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| [00:00:47] | noclue: | is there a way to disable the OSD/guide on my STB? |
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| [00:01:14] | iamlindoro_: | you'll have to google your STB for that-- possibly in some service menu |
| [00:02:26] | noige: | hey does everyone here browse /b/? |
| [00:02:42] | noige: | it seems like everyone uses the memes and language from there |
| [00:03:05] | directhex: | O RLY? |
| [00:03:08] | noige: | hah |
| [00:03:25] | directhex: | memes? in my #mythtv-users? |
| [00:03:50] | iamlindoro_: | MOAR MHZ/PIXLS? |
| [00:04:02] | iamlindoro_: | I can haz SVN trunk? |
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| [00:05:24] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro_: if i get a standard definition cable box, will firewire output the standard definition signal generally? |
| [00:06:00] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: I don't think Comcast has an SD box with FW right now |
| [00:06:04] | tlhiv_laptop: | ;) |
| [00:06:17] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok then i should get an hd cable box |
| [00:06:57] | iamlindoro_: | Whatever channel you tune via firewire is going to be the raw stream, regardless of what the box outputs |
| [00:07:05] | tlhiv_laptop: | out of my hd dvr, sd channels were recording with black bars on the side |
| [00:07:38] | tlhiv_laptop: | can that be removed with mythtv? |
| [00:07:52] | iamlindoro_: | with aspect ration and fill mode settings, yes |
| [00:07:56] | iamlindoro_: | ratio |
| [00:07:59] | tlhiv_laptop: | cool |
| [00:08:05] | iamlindoro_: | press M while viewing for the menu |
| [00:08:06] | tlhiv_laptop: | and you set that per channel i assume |
| [00:08:11] | iamlindoro_: | adjust settings until satisfied |
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| [00:09:31] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, make or break time for your nation's government tonight! |
| [00:09:33] | iamlindoro_: | Holy God Mandy Moore is hot |
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| [00:09:46] | tlhiv_laptop: | who is mandy moore? |
| [00:09:53] | iamlindoro_: | My baby momma |
| [00:10:10] | tlhiv_laptop: | hehe |
| [00:10:16] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: no kidding-- I'm way into the elections too so I'll likely be glued to CNN all night |
| [00:10:53] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: My primary is over so I'm a bystander until November |
| [00:11:02] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, well, if you guys mess up this time, then i think it's time to step in & declare the american independance from the crown over – you obviously can't handle yourselves |
| [00:11:26] | rhpot1991: | haha I completely agree |
| [00:11:50] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: I have confidence that we'll set things straight here RSN |
| [00:12:44] | directhex: | well, it's your last chance before the troops come in! |
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| [00:13:58] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: It'd be an appropriate time, none of our troops have actually been in this country for (checks watch) 8 years or so. |
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| [00:14:45] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, well, ours neither. your custodians this time will be the french. the cradle of democracy, builders of the statue of liberty |
| [00:15:01] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Good for me, My momma's french |
| [00:15:09] | iamlindoro_: | like, citizenship and all |
| [00:15:15] | directhex: | alons enfents de la patrie! |
| [00:15:23] | directhex: | le jour de gloire est arrive! |
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| [00:15:46] | iamlindoro_: | exactement |
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| [00:19:45] | iamlindoro_: | Vermont to Obama, good start |
| [00:19:59] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro_: do signals for sd stations come out of the firewire of a hd cable box come out as sd or still hd? |
| [00:20:24] | fryfrog: | anyone running from the new 0.21 svn fixes branch? |
| [00:20:29] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: You gotta listen to me here-- this is the third time I'm saying this: |
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| [00:20:35] | tlhiv_laptop: | hehe |
| [00:20:35] | tlhiv_laptop: | sorry |
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| [00:20:36] | Anduin: | fryfrog: Only the cool people. |
| [00:20:39] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: The *stream* is what matters, not the output of the box |
| [00:20:46] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok |
| [00:20:50] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: If it's an HD program, the stream will be HD |
| [00:20:50] | fryfrog: | humm, how do the cool people like it? :) |
| [00:20:52] | ** tlhiv_laptop thinks he said that already ** | |
| [00:21:04] | Anduin: | fryfrog: I'll let them answer |
| [00:21:08] | tlhiv_laptop: | deja vu |
| [00:21:28] | fryfrog: | i'm ready to switch over, as soon as my wife goes back to atlanta to be my smart hands and feet, just in case :) |
| [00:21:52] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok my next question is this ... would a dual cpu system be sufficient to re-encode this using divx on the fly? |
| [00:22:00] | Anduin: | fryfrog: it should be released as 0.21 very soon |
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| [00:22:22] | fryfrog: | i do hear that, i'm running svn trunk now so it isn't much of a risk :) |
| [00:22:37] | fryfrog: | well, svn trunk from before there was a 0.21-fixes branch that is |
| [00:25:37] | noclue: | well that sucks. apparently there's no way to disable the EPG on the DCT2224 |
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| [00:26:47] | noige: | hi |
| [00:26:53] | noige: | man I was having problems with bitchx |
| [00:26:59] | noige: | and I did not want to read the docs |
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| [00:27:43] | fryfrog: | noclue: what happens, you get the "details" when you switch channels over firewire? |
| [00:27:46] | fryfrog: | or something? |
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| [00:38:12] | nayfly: | hey, is there a way to change the default video file format that mythtv writes when recording a program? My tuner supports native mpeg2 format, and i'd like to use that to burn straight to a dvd |
| [00:39:33] | directhex: | nayfly, which tuner is that, exactly? |
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| [00:39:54] | nayfly: | dvico fusion DVB HDTV Pro |
| [00:40:25] | directhex: | so it's a DVB tuner. myth is already saving the raw stream, in mpeg2-ts form |
| [00:40:40] | nayfly: | it's saving it as a nuv |
| [00:40:49] | directhex: | then you're using a mythtv release from the turn of the millenium |
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| [00:41:12] | nayfly: | it does recording high def video as mpg |
| [00:41:21] | nayfly: | however, standard is recorded as nuv |
| [00:41:45] | GreyFoxx: | Thats cause your tuner is just a framergrabber and it doesn't output mpeg2 |
| [00:41:53] | GreyFoxx: | So myth encodes it to mpeg/rtjpoeg nuv files |
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| [00:42:00] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, with a name like "dvb hdtv" |
| [00:42:13] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: They have analog tuners in them as well |
| [00:42:18] | directhex: | hang on, is it an atsc/ntsc hybrid job? |
| [00:42:21] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [00:42:21] | directhex: | what a piece of shit :| |
| [00:42:32] | nayfly: | i'm quite sure it supports native mpeg. It certainly did in windows. No transcoding necessary before burning a dvd |
| [00:42:41] | GreyFoxx: | nayfly: Not with the analog stuff |
| [00:42:49] | nayfly: | no no i don't record analog |
| [00:42:56] | GreyFoxx: | You are if you are getting nuv |
| [00:43:00] | nayfly: | analog barely works on linux anyway |
| [00:43:03] | GreyFoxx: | unless you are transcoding |
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| [00:44:03] | nayfly: | hmm, it does seem to be vids which I have transcoded |
| [00:44:17] | GreyFoxx: | that would do it |
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| [00:44:46] | nayfly: | i see :P i transcode to get rid of commercials etc. So it cannot transcode into the original format? |
| [00:45:09] | GreyFoxx: | yeah it can |
| [00:45:25] | GreyFoxx: | if you look at the transcoding profile and enable lossless transcoding |
| [00:45:31] | nayfly: | that would be ideal, really. that would drastically cut down on transcode time, yeh? |
| [00:45:37] | GreyFoxx: | oh yeah |
| [00:45:40] | GreyFoxx: | very much |
| [00:45:47] | GreyFoxx: | only reencodes the t=frames around cutpoints |
| [00:45:49] | nayfly: | nice man. thanks! i'll check it out now. |
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| [00:51:43] | nayfly: | GreyFoxx: Thanks a bunch. Yeh that worked like a charm! Transcoded a 30 minute episode in a few seconds :) |
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| [00:52:39] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, major diff :) |
| [00:53:04] | nayfly: | I suppose, if i wanted to deinterlace it, that would take longer? :P |
| [00:53:53] | nayfly: | or i wouldn't need it for a dvd to be played on a tv? |
| [00:55:13] | directhex: | if you want to deinterlace it, that's a full transcode |
| [00:55:30] | nayfly: | gotcha. bummer |
| [00:55:30] | directhex: | since it involves rewriting new frames from scratch, rather than selective removal of contents of the existing data stream |
| [00:56:11] | nayfly: | perhaps there's a setting for my tuner to automatically deinterlace as the stream comes in? |
| [00:58:07] | iamlindoro_: | Nope, that would involve hardware encoding on the tuner-- your tuner does no encoding whatsoever (and there are no DVB or ATSC tuners that do for digital signals) |
| [00:58:59] | directhex: | your data stream comes in as a pre-made mpeg2 file, containing individual frames, which have interlaced content. deinterlacing would require analysis of each frame, and construction of an entirely new data stream |
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| [00:59:14] | nayfly: | yep that makes sense. |
| [01:01:21] | nayfly: | would it appear interlaced on an lcd tv, if it were burnt onto a dvd? |
| [01:01:35] | nayfly: | I'm guessing it would have auto deinterlacing... |
| [01:01:41] | nayfly: | the tv is a 1080i |
| [01:01:53] | iamlindoro_: | Well, the LCD TV is deinterlacing it, but often poorly |
| [01:01:58] | directhex: | something would need to do deinterlacing, for an lcd tv. be it the tv itself, or your dvd player |
| [01:02:21] | nayfly: | yep. cool. |
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| [01:08:15] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro_: do signals for sd stations come out of the firewire of a hd cable box come out as sd or still hd? |
| [01:08:20] | ** tlhiv_laptop ducks ** | |
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| [01:08:25] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro_: just kidding of course |
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| [01:15:38] | Aval0n: | hey guys what url does justing keep his svn themes at? |
| [01:15:57] | directhex: | he doesn't |
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| [01:22:19] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: Good thing I was walking the dog instead of reading that |
| [01:22:27] | ** iamlindoro_ wishes 5C on all tlhiv_laptop's channels ** | |
| [01:22:43] | tlhiv_laptop: | ;) |
| [01:22:55] | grim: | is there a better way to control mythfrontend with a mouse than point and click? basicaly i'm using a gyro mouse and finding it difficult to select menu items |
| [01:24:21] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro_: got time for me to sound off some more ideas on you? |
| [01:24:26] | GreyFoxx: | grim: nope |
| [01:24:30] | GreyFoxx: | myth barely supports a mouse |
| [01:24:39] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: Just ask your questions, I'll chime in as available, or someone else likely will |
| [01:24:53] | grim: | GreyFoxx: i've noticed, for example the inablity to get out of a menu with a mouse :) |
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| [01:25:14] | GreyFoxx: | grim: myth is intended to be keyboard/remote controlled |
| [01:25:21] | GreyFoxx: | even what mouse support there is is kinda new :) |
| [01:25:22] | grim: | is there anything code wise, where i can hammer out a mouse input device? |
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| [01:25:46] | GreyFoxx: | As more of the menus are moved to mythui they will gain mouse support |
| [01:26:24] | grim: | GreyFoxx: yeah, but i mean for something like a gyro mouse, it makes more sense for me to be able to move the mouse up and have it register as an up |
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| [01:26:42] | GreyFoxx: | there is basic gesture support in there now |
| [01:26:49] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok ... so i was thinking may i could use myth with my current setup in the following way ... my tv has coax in and rca in (i don't have a hdtv yet) ... perhaps i could just use myth as a second dvr with gaming/music/dvd by connecting this machine to my tv via this rca |
| [01:26:53] | GreyFoxx: | dunno if it does anything or not, but it recognizes it |
| [01:27:07] | tlhiv_laptop: | i should be able to use the "aux" on my comcast remote to control myth |
| [01:27:24] | grim: | GreyFoxx: i haven't seen any documentation for that... |
| [01:27:32] | tlhiv_laptop: | and presumably i would just need to get a ir receiver |
| [01:27:43] | GreyFoxx: | grim: there likely isn't any :) |
| [01:27:43] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: potentially, you can set whatever remote codes you want to the aux, learn them with lirc, and use them in myth |
| [01:27:53] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: yep, that all sounds doable to me |
| [01:28:11] | iamlindoro_: | ps, buy an HDTV, you're totally missing out |
| [01:28:26] | tlhiv_laptop: | i know ... i can't even afford a tuner card right now ;) |
| [01:28:36] | tlhiv_laptop: | what's a good ir receiver that works well with linux? |
| [01:28:43] | iamlindoro_: | The MCE one :) |
| [01:28:48] | tlhiv_laptop: | hehe |
| [01:28:49] | iamlindoro_: | you can buy them seperate on ebay |
| [01:28:53] | tlhiv_laptop: | cool |
| [01:28:54] | grim: | GreyFoxx: ok, any source file you could point me at so i can discover it? |
| [01:29:00] | ** tlhiv_laptop is searching ** | |
| [01:29:21] | iamlindoro_: | "mce remote" ought to find a few |
| [01:29:22] | GreyFoxx: | grm: I can only suggest the libs/libmythui/ directory somewhere |
| [01:29:48] | Aval0n: | directhex he does |
| [01:29:51] | Aval0n: | I've d/led them |
| [01:30:07] | Aval0n: | he keeps them on the mythtv svn site I think |
| [01:30:43] | grim: | ugh, i was hoping to not have to code anything to get this box working... oh well |
| [01:30:53] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n: Justin has "retracted" them all... There are a few at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/themes |
| [01:31:09] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n: but no glass, and the most recent versions were always the ones on his site |
| [01:31:12] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro_: are they all usb? |
| [01:31:18] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: yes |
| [01:31:36] | tlhiv_laptop: | mce remote is turning up all name brands |
| [01:32:10] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: MCE = Microsoft Media Center |
| [01:32:13] | iamlindoro_: | Edition |
| [01:32:20] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok |
| [01:32:22] | iamlindoro_: | It *should* be a name brand |
| [01:33:08] | tlhiv_laptop: | i rf one would be better ;) |
| [01:33:23] | iamlindoro_: | snapstream firefly if you must have RF, but the MCE is still better |
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| [01:33:37] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok |
| [01:37:14] | iamlindoro_: | I love it when it's breaking news that McCain is winning a state when he has 90% of the delegates already |
| [01:37:19] | tlhiv_laptop: | hmm ... i may have one ... i used to have a ATI all in wonder |
| [01:37:25] | tlhiv_laptop: | i think it had a ir receiver with it |
| [01:37:27] | iamlindoro_: | This just in, front runner wins! |
| [01:38:11] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: The ATI remotes are a nightmare wrapped within a tragedy couched in a snafu |
| [01:39:13] | GreyFoxx: | hmmm looks like I can reproduce that iopengl renderer issue |
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| [01:40:04] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Ah! Someone commented in the bug said it appeared to be on dual core processors only, but I think that was a pretty thin-sounding conclusion |
| [01:40:12] | GreyFoxx: | Its; not |
| [01:40:13] | iamlindoro_: | er commenting |
| [01:40:16] | GreyFoxx: | as I am single core |
| [01:40:37] | iamlindoro_: | Figured you might be, I thought it sounded like BS |
| [01:40:38] | GreyFoxx: | Mine didnt do it until I started messing with settings |
| [01:40:46] | matty-: | what would cause up/down/pageup/pagedown to seek instead of change channels? |
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| [01:41:33] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, if you get this one fixed by 0.21, alongside all the upnp improvements, i think you've earnt yourself some beer |
| [01:41:49] | iamlindoro_: | don't forget fixing seeking in VOBs/MP4/etc |
| [01:42:25] | iamlindoro_: | I'll happily buy a beer if you visit CA sometime (Our CA, not .ca ;) ) |
| [01:42:35] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: hehe |
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| [01:42:52] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, find me some kind of interflora-but-for-beers site. i'm going to bed |
| [01:42:52] | GreyFoxx: | I commited the mkv/.mp4/etc seeking stuff yesterday |
| [01:43:27] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Beer of the month club! |
| [01:43:44] | iamlindoro_: | Which, by the way, was the holy grail when I was in college |
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| [01:44:38] | directhex: | iamlindoro, something without a subscription |
| [01:45:19] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: http://www.sendafriendabeer.com |
| [01:45:30] | iamlindoro_: | Very reputable looking site ;) |
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| [01:45:53] | directhex: | inspired url, non-existent site |
| [01:46:05] | directhex: | beers by mail is common in .uk :( |
| [01:46:12] | iamlindoro_: | sendbeer.com may be a little more promising |
| [01:46:18] | directhex: | international shippng is not so common |
| [01:46:42] | iamlindoro_: | I can't look at beer ordering, I start to salivate and contemplate spending too much money |
| [01:48:15] | directhex: | http://sendbeer.com/id103280list646product.html O_o |
| [01:48:28] | directhex: | http://sendbeer.com/id103641list646product.html :o |
| [01:48:47] | iamlindoro_: | I'm pretty sure GreyFoxx wouldn't mind |
| [01:49:15] | iamlindoro_: | Although Courvosier is overrated-- not that I've tried the ultra-expensive variety |
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| [01:50:11] | iamlindoro_: | With *1%* on Texas reporting, Clinton is calling the press and telling them they're calling their lawyers-- no joke |
| [01:50:16] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... no Australian beer :( |
| [01:50:18] | iamlindoro_: | er of |
| [01:50:45] | iamlindoro_: | I'm gonna go get a Czech beer from the fridge |
| [01:50:50] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro_: http://www.irblaster.info/hauppauge_ir.html |
| [01:50:53] | tlhiv_laptop: | what about this? |
| [01:51:00] | mzb_d800: | 1% sounds like a vote in itself ... ie: no reasonable candidates ;) |
| [01:51:05] | tlhiv_laptop: | the interface isn't usb :-( |
| [01:51:49] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: That's a dongle for a PVR-150 non-MCE |
| [01:51:53] | iamlindoro_: | useless without one |
| [01:51:54] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok |
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| [01:52:42] | kisak: | the PVR-150 or the dongle is worthless without the other? ;) |
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| [01:52:49] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris | |
| [01:53:04] | kisak: | wb xris |
| [01:53:19] | iamlindoro_: | depends on your perspective... I'm on to drinking my beer... mood improving |
| [01:53:20] | xris: | ? |
| [01:53:27] | tlhiv_laptop: | i just need a usb receiver |
| [01:54:06] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, still, $45 plus $18 shipping to send some beer :/ |
| [01:54:27] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: C'mon, just the seeking is worth that ;) |
| [01:55:17] | kisak: | well, I have 2 recievers, one good quality and one low quality, neither is IR |
| [01:56:20] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: A common problem with new myth users is being penny wise and pound foolish-- As much as linux/myth *can* be run with cheap stuff, it is by far more reliable/enjoyable to have nice equipment w/ Myth |
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| [01:56:39] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, the price is right (a case of esb costs £23 here, so $45 is correct), the shipping is smelly like wee |
| [01:56:47] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro_: well it's baby steps at first to "justify" the work |
| [01:57:04] | tlhiv_laptop: | although i can forsee it being worthwhile, i don't want to spend a bunch all at once |
| [01:57:05] | xris: | grumble. new HD channels from comcast and TMS doesn't acknowledge them yet. |
| [01:57:22] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: Completely open firewire = jump in with both feet as far as I'm concerned-- It leaves the door open to do all the fun myth stuff at the highest quality |
| [01:57:23] | tlhiv_laptop: | i would think that usb ir receivers would be plentiful |
| [01:57:33] | tlhiv_laptop: | yeah |
| [01:57:37] | mzb_d800: | new Cascade beer released today: http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0,22884, . . . -921,00.html |
| [01:57:54] | iamlindoro_: | xris: Are you another one of the places getting Sci Fi HD as Comcast slowly but surely gives them to THE ENTIRE NATION BUT ME? |
| [01:57:54] | tlhiv_laptop: | that's why i'm excited because i'm going to have the original signal quality at my disposal |
| [01:58:05] | directhex: | http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/ . . . in_texas.php |
| [01:58:10] | xris: | iamlindoro_: yup. :) as of today, supposedly |
| [01:58:17] | iamlindoro_: | xris: You son of a bitch |
| [01:58:19] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [01:58:25] | tlhiv_laptop: | hehe |
| [01:58:29] | kisak: | iamlindoro_: I got to upgrade to dual PVR-150 from a single bt878 on the conditions that I power down my mythtv server for good (I migrated Mythtv to my main server) |
| [01:58:34] | xris: | iamlindoro_: don't feel too bad for me.. I don't actually own an hdtv |
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| [02:10:54] | kisak: | I wish mythweb were more resilient to terminated streams |
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| [02:11:06] | kisak: | direct downloads and flash |
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| [02:11:19] | xris: | not sure what you mean |
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| [02:11:46] | kisak: | say a video is streaming via flash |
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| [02:12:44] | kisak: | if the web client navigates away, ffmpeg keeps going till it fills the outgoing buffer, then it locks up |
| [02:12:50] | sn9_ is now known as sn9 | |
| [02:13:13] | kisak: | no other files will stream with ffmpeg sitting there |
| [02:13:53] | iamlindoro_: | kisak: Not over here, ffmpeg exits 30 seconds after for me |
| [02:14:05] | kisak: | oh? |
| [02:14:05] | xris: | kisak: turn off mod_perl |
| [02:14:05] | xris: | it's not mythweb that's the problem, it's the apache config. |
| [02:14:05] | xris: | everything works fine on my end |
| [02:14:07] | iamlindoro_: | 30 = a general guess |
| [02:14:30] | kisak: | ok ... |
| [02:14:36] | kisak: | what can I look for? |
| [02:15:20] | xris: | just take the latest mythweb.conf.apache file from svn trunk |
| [02:15:24] | xris: | it should be fine |
| [02:15:36] | kisak: | I'll look into it |
| [02:15:40] | xris: | brb |
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| [02:18:24] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro_: this is as about as cheap as i can find --> http://www.virtualvillage.com/items/item.aspx?itemid=4474495 |
| [02:19:00] | tlhiv_laptop: | i only need the receiver |
| [02:19:08] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: I have no idea what that receiver/remote is |
| [02:19:21] | iamlindoro_: | it certainly doesn't *look* like a mceusb |
| [02:19:42] | iamlindoro_: | It may well work, but I've no idea |
| [02:20:02] | tlhiv_laptop: | well surely my existing comcast remote will work ... i just need a receiver |
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| [02:20:18] | iamlindoro_: | I'm aware of that, but all receivers aren't created equal |
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| [02:20:28] | iamlindoro_: | It's not the remote I'm looking at |
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| [02:20:31] | tlhiv_laptop: | ;) |
| [02:21:07] | tlhiv_laptop: | what about this then |
| [02:21:09] | tlhiv_laptop: | http://cgi.ebay.com/Remote-Control-4-Vista-XP . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [02:22:08] | iamlindoro_: | *that* looks more like the mceusb |
| [02:23:00] | tlhiv_laptop: | http://cgi.ebay.com/PC-Remote-Control-4-Windo . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [02:23:03] | tlhiv_laptop: | that comes with a receiver |
| [02:23:27] | tlhiv_laptop: | and closes in about 50 minutes ;) |
| [02:23:40] | iamlindoro_: | That receiver looks suspect, no idea whether it would work |
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| [02:24:00] | tlhiv_laptop: | how the heck do i know by looking at it? |
| [02:24:35] | iamlindoro_: | Which is what I'll probably have to tell you about any of the eBay stuff, since it's not a known part number unless it comes with a particular tuner |
| [02:24:57] | tlhiv_laptop: | right |
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| [02:25:20] | tlhiv_laptop: | but how does one know if it will work with lirc or not? |
| [02:25:36] | iamlindoro_: | you buy it with a particular tuner ;) |
| [02:25:49] | iamlindoro_: | anything else and you are taking your chances |
| [02:25:49] | tlhiv_laptop: | ;) |
| [02:27:58] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.hauppauge.com/images/mce_remote_wi . . . ag_large.jpg |
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| [02:28:30] | iamlindoro_: | *that* is a known working IR receiver/remote... look for something nearly identical/completely identical to that |
| [02:28:33] | tlhiv_laptop: | is that available for purchage by itself? |
| [02:28:39] | iamlindoro_: | I don't know of a retailer that sells that particular one, but many of the ebay ones are rebrands of the same |
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| [02:37:10] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro_: http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/ha . . . t=mce_remote |
| [02:38:10] | a1fa: | knob |
| [02:38:11] | a1fa: | :P |
| [02:39:22] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: yup, that ought to do |
| [02:39:29] | tlhiv_laptop: | ;) |
| [02:40:04] | XLV: | tlhiv_laptop, at that price you can get i assume original MS MCE remote, not from ebay, but from some store, i got it for 15 euro here |
| [02:40:08] | ** Deek wasn't aware there were 720p-59.94 streams out there ** | |
| [02:40:16] | xris: | tlhiv_laptop: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880100851 |
| [02:40:22] | tlhiv_laptop: | XLV: i don't need the remote ... i need the receiver |
| [02:40:37] | tlhiv_laptop: | a remote would be an added bonus |
| [02:40:45] | xris: | receiver is usually tied to a specific remote |
| [02:41:09] | Deek: | tlhiv_laptop: the newegg remote comes with a receiver |
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| [02:41:17] | tlhiv_laptop: | i see that ;) |
| [02:41:20] | xris: | and it's a good remote. |
| [02:41:26] | Deek: | and two blasters, even. |
| [02:41:28] | tlhiv_laptop: | i don't like the fact that it has M$ on it though |
| [02:41:30] | xris: | and the blaster is supported under linux, too. |
| [02:41:40] | tlhiv_laptop: | cool |
| [02:41:41] | xris: | Deek: only one blaster works under linux, though.. unless kormoc fixed that. |
| [02:42:14] | Deek: | they both work on my mceusb2 IIRC |
| [02:42:17] | tlhiv_laptop: | if i could make this remote control my existing comcast dvr box, then this would be just fine |
| [02:42:26] | Deek: | you can't |
| [02:42:29] | tlhiv_laptop: | :-( |
| [02:42:32] | Deek: | it's not programmable at all. |
| [02:43:04] | tlhiv_laptop: | then perhaps i could use my existing comcast remote and this receiver ;) |
| [02:43:05] | Deek: | but you can receive just about any IR signal with the receiver. |
| [02:43:14] | tlhiv_laptop: | cool |
| [02:43:28] | tlhiv_laptop: | i might just go this route |
| [02:43:58] | xris: | Deek: then he's fixed the driver since I last talked to him about it |
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| [02:44:29] | Deek: | and yes, the Comcast remote (which is the same as all other DCT-talking stuff) will talk to a mceusb2 receiver. |
| [02:44:44] | tlhiv_laptop: | nice |
| [02:44:51] | tlhiv_laptop: | i guess i just use the AUX |
| [02:45:01] | tlhiv_laptop: | and some custom code for the remote |
| [02:45:06] | tlhiv_laptop: | and let myth do the rest |
| [02:45:07] | agile: | a frontend was killed while watching livetv so now the tuner still thinks it's watching livetv.. how do I free it up manually? |
| [02:45:10] | Deek: | personally, I hate those stupid remotes. |
| [02:45:19] | iamlindoro_: | agile: backend restart |
| [02:45:39] | Deek: | (AT&T/Comcast/Charter/whatever) |
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| [02:55:46] | xris: | iamlindoro_: some people still go for the binaries on mythtv.org |
| [02:55:46] | xris: | rather than svn (even from the .21-fixes branch) |
| [02:55:47] | iamlindoro_: | Hey, it's not real until it's on the web |
| [02:55:47] | tlhiv_laptop: | iamlindoro_: one more thing ... if i get this remote, then later on could i simply get two pvr-150 oem's and have all i need? |
| [02:55:47] | iamlindoro_: | because the web = the internet |
| [02:55:47] | iamlindoro_: | tlhiv_laptop: yes, but many people in here will shoot you for capturing in analog when you have open firewire |
| [02:55:48] | tlhiv_laptop: | so presumably i'd need only one oem |
| [02:55:50] | iamlindoro_: | ... or 0 PVR-150s and two firewire ports/STBs |
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| [02:55:59] | tlhiv_laptop: | ;) |
| [02:56:02] | tlhiv_laptop: | ok ... thanx |
| [02:56:04] | tlhiv_laptop: | back later |
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| [02:57:56] | Aval0n: | xris: you are missing a -r in your INSTALL documentation when you are telling to copy the mythweb dir |
| [02:58:35] | venkelos: | sweet got my mythbox working great with a monitor, are there any good resources for setting up the HDMI port on my nvidia card (in contrast to the dvi port) |
| [02:58:49] | venkelos: | so i can finally plug this thing into my tv |
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| [03:01:45] | noige: | greetings |
| [03:01:55] | noige: | I have got mythtv working! |
| [03:02:02] | noige: | up to channel 99 |
| [03:02:10] | venkelos: | grats |
| [03:02:10] | noige: | how can I get HBO to work? |
| [03:02:17] | venkelos: | cable box? |
| [03:02:22] | noige: | I am pretty stoked on this so far |
| [03:02:27] | noige: | yeas cable bizox |
| [03:02:58] | mchou: | hbo will only work over standard def, I'm afraid |
| [03:03:06] | noige: | that is fine |
| [03:03:10] | noige: | I only have standard def |
| [03:03:18] | noige: | and my card is only SD |
| [03:03:30] | mchou: | ok, then it should be no big deal |
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| [03:03:59] | noige: | when I try to tune channel 557 or whatever the channel is it just stays on the same channel I am on |
| [03:04:06] | fryfrog (fryfrog!n=fryfrog@gallery/fryfrog) has quit (Connection timed out) | |
| [03:04:22] | mchou: | 557 isn't a real channel number :) |
| [03:05:22] | noige: | ok |
| [03:05:57] | mchou: | at least not as far as NTSC will be concerned (presumably what your card is using) |
| [03:06:34] | noige: | yeah it is NTSC |
| [03:06:40] | noige: | so what does that mean? |
| [03:06:44] | noige: | it not being a real channel |
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| [03:07:04] | noige: | what can I do to solve the issue at hand? |
| [03:07:06] | mchou: | it means use svideo to hook up STB and myth :) |
| [03:07:36] | mchou: | and use seial cable to control changing channels on the STB |
| [03:07:40] | mchou: | serial* |
| [03:07:40] | noige: | ahh so I have to have a stb |
| [03:07:48] | kisak: | xris: well... I updated mythweb.conf(.apache) and I see what changed |
| [03:08:00] | noige: | my cable box doesn't have svideo |
| [03:08:06] | kisak: | anywho, I'm out |
| [03:08:07] | mchou: | noige: I just thought you said you have STB |
| [03:08:07] | noige: | but I have been considering a stb |
| [03:08:17] | noige: | I have a cable box from comcast |
| [03:08:42] | mchou: | what outputs does the cable box have? |
| [03:08:48] | noige: | coax |
| [03:08:55] | mchou: | and?? |
| [03:08:56] | noige: | 1 in 1 out |
| [03:09:01] | noige: | that is it |
| [03:09:04] | mchou: | lol |
| [03:09:07] | noige: | I split the input |
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| [03:09:14] | mchou: | what kind of crappy STB is this? |
| [03:09:16] | noige: | and I can get upto channel 99 |
| [03:09:22] | noige: | the default comcast one |
| [03:09:31] | noige: | that you get when you pay for cable |
| [03:09:43] | mchou: | I'm not familiar with comcast default |
| [03:09:51] | noige: | let me tell you all about it |
| [03:09:55] | noige: | it sucks |
| [03:10:00] | noige: | that is all |
| [03:10:08] | mchou: | no thaks. dont want to know |
| [03:10:12] | noige: | no RCA, no Svideo |
| [03:10:36] | mchou: | go over to your comcast office and ask for DCT6200 |
| [03:10:55] | mchou: | all the outputs you'll ever need |
| [03:11:04] | mchou: | including firewire |
| [03:11:34] | mchou: | you can do it to with your existing STB but the result will be CRAP |
| [03:11:34] | venkelos: | ya i just picked up a dct6200 from comcast today |
| [03:11:47] | venkelos: | and once i stopped crashing my comp by firewire_testing the wrong firewire ports its worked fine |
| [03:11:56] | mchou: | lol |
| [03:12:25] | mchou: | I dont understand why everyone uses "firewire_testing" |
| [03:12:29] | mchou: | it's inane |
| [03:12:47] | venkelos: | im having a problem viewing hbo too |
| [03:12:55] | venkelos: | so maybe it isnt all good |
| [03:13:08] | mchou: | venkelos: yours might be a different issue |
| [03:15:03] | noige: | I actually cannot tune channels over channel 99 |
| [03:15:33] | noige: | (which includes) HBO |
| [03:15:38] | mchou: | noige: with most ntsc cards you cant tune above 125 iirc |
| [03:15:47] | noige: | oh ok |
| [03:16:06] | noige: | I am satisfied with what I have. I just wanted to know if there were ways of making it work |
| [03:16:13] | mchou: | noige: do forget about 557 or whatever |
| [03:16:28] | mchou: | s/do/so |
| [03:17:08] | mchou: | that's purely a STB "mapping" |
| [03:17:24] | noige: | ok |
| [03:17:26] | noige: | so |
| [03:17:44] | noige: | does that mean that I can make HBO be channel 15 – 19? |
| [03:17:57] | noige: | since it is just a mapping |
| [03:18:00] | venkelos: | i think what hes saying is its a high freq, and the number is arbitrary |
| [03:18:05] | venkelos: | and you cannot get a high freq |
| [03:18:14] | noige: | ahh ok |
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| [03:19:58] | noige: | I wonder if I put the splitter on the other side |
| [03:20:07] | noige: | I will try some stuff when I get home |
| [03:20:09] | mchou: | noige: if you really insist on using coax (which sucks), you must set your card to channel 3/4 ALWAYS |
| [03:20:23] | noige: | I do not want to use coax |
| [03:20:27] | noige: | it is what they installed |
| [03:20:33] | noige: | it was forced upon me by the tech |
| [03:20:38] | venkelos: | just goto yer comcast office and trade it in |
| [03:20:38] | mchou: | what?? |
| [03:20:47] | venkelos: | its a law that they have to offer firewire capable boxes |
| [03:20:52] | venkelos: | and dont let em try to tell you otherwise |
| [03:20:56] | noige: | I did not know |
| [03:21:00] | noige: | that was a law |
| [03:21:02] | noige: | I will do that |
| [03:21:03] | mchou: | venkelos: only if you ask :) |
| [03:21:15] | venkelos: | ya they just have to be available |
| [03:21:15] | noige: | ITS MY BOX AND I WANT IT NOW! |
| [03:21:32] | mchou: | venkelos: and they are allowed to charge a nominal fee for providing said box :) |
| [03:21:38] | venkelos: | you shouldnt have to fight though, any box from this decade should have firewire |
| [03:21:49] | mchou: | venkelos: lol |
| [03:22:09] | mchou: | venkelos: apparantly not in noige's case |
| [03:22:56] | venkelos: | ya i dunno, the people i talked to at comcast were clueless about what i wanted but were willing to let me look at all the hardware till i found what i wanted |
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| [03:23:02] | mchou: | noige: where do you live? |
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| [03:23:08] | noige: | san fran |
| [03:23:13] | mchou: | lol |
| [03:23:14] | venkelos: | ya dude im in berkeley |
| [03:23:20] | venkelos: | it should be easy |
| [03:23:30] | mchou: | eveyone here from Bay Area it seems |
| [03:23:36] | mchou: | everyone* |
| [03:23:40] | venkelos: | thats cuz the bay area is the only good place to live |
| [03:23:44] | noige: | one sec calling them |
| [03:23:44] | noige: | noice |
| [03:23:50] | noige: | btw there is an outage notice |
| [03:23:50] | noige: | since you are in berk |
| [03:23:55] | venkelos: | i dont think calling em will accomplish anything |
| [03:24:05] | venkelos: | just take yer box to a payment center of theres and trade it in |
| [03:24:07] | mchou: | I agree w/ venkelos |
| [03:24:12] | noige: | haha |
| [03:24:31] | mchou: | calling them accomplishes ZIP |
| [03:24:38] | mchou: | especially since you need HW |
| [03:24:55] | noige: | I just want to yell at them |
| [03:25:06] | venkelos: | yer just gonna end up yelling at some dude in india |
| [03:25:09] | mchou: | it'd be different if they could turn on/off a setting remotely |
| [03:25:39] | mchou: | I dont think comcast has moved out to india |
| [03:26:03] | mchou: | but the call center is certainly not in the Bay Area |
| [03:26:27] | mchou: | some place in US, just not Bay Area |
| [03:26:51] | venkelos: | mythfrontend is complaining: "NVP::OpenFile(): Error, file not found: /mnt/recordings/xxxxxxx.mpg" |
| [03:27:01] | venkelos: | but i know that file exists, i can find it in that folder |
| [03:27:08] | venkelos: | any ideas? |
| [03:27:16] | mchou: | permissions |
| [03:27:32] | noige: | ok |
| [03:27:36] | noige: | I just called |
| [03:27:40] | venkelos: | folder is 755 mythtv:users |
| [03:27:50] | mchou: | noige: wtf |
| [03:27:51] | noige: | they said all I need to do is change it and pay 7 a month |
| [03:27:53] | noige: | noice |
| [03:28:01] | mchou: | $7/mo??? |
| [03:28:04] | mchou: | wtf? |
| [03:28:10] | venkelos: | ya thats what im being charged too |
| [03:28:11] | mchou: | rates went up again? |
| [03:28:16] | noige: | it has a gigabit network port on it |
| [03:28:21] | venkelos: | so? |
| [03:28:24] | venkelos: | you just want firewire |
| [03:28:26] | mchou: | last I checked it was $5 |
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| [03:28:53] | mchou: | stagflation stinks |
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| [03:29:06] | mchou: | need to check my bill |
| [03:30:04] | mchou: | crap. maybe it makes more sense now to buy an atsc/qam card instead |
| [03:30:31] | venkelos: | i dont think any card is gonna get you hbo |
| [03:30:46] | mchou: | at $5 it was more cost effective to go with STB, but at $7 the balance changes |
| [03:30:52] | venkelos: | lol |
| [03:31:18] | mchou: | venkelos: that's just the way it is with PC HW and margins |
| [03:31:42] | mchou: | even pennies affect choices |
| [03:33:23] | venkelos: | lol i didnt realize hd cable was 4:3 |
| [03:33:36] | Deek: | most isn't. |
| [03:33:51] | venkelos: | im watching hbo stuff on my tv and its higher def but still a tiny square |
| [03:34:13] | mchou: | venkelos: no, then there is something else going on |
| [03:34:28] | Deek: | A&E and History Channel are even stranger |
| [03:35:01] | mchou: | venkelos: you should check you STB settings then |
| [03:35:19] | venkelos: | nah i was watching a normal hd movie earlier and it used up full screen |
| [03:35:27] | mchou: | cause sometimes they are set to 4:3 |
| [03:35:28] | venkelos: | these hbo channels only use full screen if i stretch em |
| [03:35:50] | mchou: | not for me they dont |
| [03:36:17] | venkelos: | hmm |
| [03:36:18] | mchou: | works just great in 16:9 or whatever.... |
| [03:36:21] | Deek: | mchou: digital != HD, and HD channels aren't always broadcasting HD programming. |
| [03:36:34] | mchou: | Deek: true that |
| [03:37:01] | mchou: | but HBO most programming should be in HD |
| [03:37:23] | Deek: | Even the old stuff like "Real Sex"? :) |
| [03:37:44] | mchou: | Deek: never watch that, wouldn't know |
| [03:38:07] | mchou: | Does "Real Sex" even have any sex? |
| [03:38:11] | Deek: | nope |
| [03:38:27] | Deek: | it's a documentary series |
| [03:38:32] | mchou: | I was alwas under the impression it was a bunch of babble |
| [03:38:38] | mchou: | always* |
| [03:40:53] | mchou: | no one in their right minds wanted to have sex with anyone on that show cause you never know what affliction you might end up with |
| [03:41:41] | mchou: | instead of calling it "Real Sex" they should have just called it "Real Turnoff" |
| [03:41:55] | mchou: | at least there'd be truth in advertising |
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| [03:42:56] | tlhiv_laptop: | when i go to the program guide and find a program ... pressing "Enter" brings up a menu instead of viewing the channel |
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| [03:45:08] | cesman: | tlhiv_laptop: you go to watch tv to watch tv |
| [03:46:06] | tlhiv_laptop: | what? |
| [03:46:06] | Deek: | what lib(s) are needed for: |
| [03:46:08] | Deek: | OpenGL video no |
| [03:46:08] | Deek: | OpenGL vsync no |
| [03:46:11] | tlhiv_laptop: | i'm already doing that |
| [03:48:45] | Deek: | ahh, never mind |
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| [03:56:03] | Aval0n: | what is the path that lirc looks for the lircrc with mythtg? |
| [03:56:06] | Aval0n: | mythtv* |
| [03:56:14] | Aval0n: | ~/.mythtv/.lircrc ? |
| [03:56:51] | Anduin: | ~/.mythtv/lircrc (no dot) |
| [03:57:09] | Aval0n: | ok thank you |
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| [04:23:01] | orthoevra: | am i going to regrest upgrading to .21 right now lol |
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| [04:30:54] | orthoevra: | too many netwplits |
| [04:30:57] | xris: | iamlindoro_: well, I can't complain too badly about SD not having lineup info for the new comcast HD channels.. comcast gets their data from TMS, too, so the EIT data in the cable box is also completely blank |
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| [04:31:04] | orthoevra: | splits* |
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| [04:32:21] | orthoevra: | will upping from .20 to .21 change any previous settings? or just add new stuff? |
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| [05:58:54] | noige: | so it appears that HBO is not possible |
| [05:59:03] | noige: | and I think that it really doesn't matter |
| [05:59:22] | noige: | mythtv can stream my roms, and my favorite shows (which are not on HBO) |
| [05:59:30] | noige: | mythtv is awesome |
| [05:59:31] | noige: | period |
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| [06:14:09] | venkelos: | im becoming quite frustrated with how impossible this is to install |
| [06:16:44] | mikeones: | what distro? |
| [06:16:47] | venkelos: | gentoo |
| [06:17:29] | xris: | venkelos: how long have you been using linux? |
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| [06:18:06] | venkelos: | 3 or 4 years |
| [06:18:31] | mikeones: | are you running svn trunk or a package? |
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| [06:18:44] | venkelos: | just the stable package from portage |
| [06:19:16] | venkelos: | i have it running and i can connect to cable box via firewire and earlier tonight i was able to watch a couple channels perfectly |
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| [06:19:27] | venkelos: | but not anymore, now im getting what i can only guess are permission errors on the recordings folder |
| [06:21:01] | Hoochster: | chmod a+rwx recordingdir |
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| [06:21:26] | venkelos: | i dont know what permissions the folder needs, i gave it mythtv:users (which is the acct im trying to run mythfrontend from and the .mpg file that is created in that file says it is mythtv:video so i put mythtv in the video group |
| [06:21:36] | venkelos: | k ill try that |
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| [06:23:52] | venkelos: | maybe this isnt a permissions issue, the .mpg file is empty in that folder so maybe somewhere further up the stream is failing and im just catching the error later |
| [06:25:17] | mikeones: | have you checked the backend logs? |
| [06:25:35] | venkelos: | not in the last couple hours, ill have another look though |
| [06:26:37] | venkelos: | ya it looks like firewire isnt recording anymore, i wonder whats changed, ill investigate, thx |
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| [06:42:54] | epilido: | when I watch live tv on the same machine as the backend the picture come up for less than 1 second and freezes. as long as I leave it up in the frozen format it records. I can watch it in the recordings tab. but only in preview mode. |
| [06:44:23] | epilido: | when the hang occures top shows xorg at 85% of the cpu and the frontend and 13.something |
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| [09:27:00] | Davo_Dinkum: | does dragon include software? http://www.better-access.com/ |
| [09:31:20] | mchou: | Davo_Dinkum: I wouldn't know, but selling HW w/o SW is a bit retarded.... |
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| [09:31:59] | Davo_Dinkum: | The website doesn't make it very clear. |
| [09:32:20] | mchou: | Davo_Dinkum: well, caveat emptor :) |
| [09:32:27] | Davo_Dinkum: | huh? |
| [09:34:51] | mchou: | why get that monstrosity when you can get a HP slimline s3330f? |
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| [09:37:27] | mchou: | In any case a reference platform is only useful to those people who don't know what they are doing and is outdated quickly |
| [09:37:49] | Davo_Dinkum: | so dragon is outdated? |
| [09:38:07] | cesman: | mchou: bullshit |
| [09:38:30] | tank-man: | f dragon, i think they were one of the reasons zap2it labs disappeared |
| [09:38:38] | cesman: | again bullshit |
| [09:38:55] | cesman: | I created the KnoppMyth Reference Platform |
| [09:39:12] | mchou: | cesman: if you gonna call something bullshit at least come up with facts |
| [09:39:30] | mchou: | cesman: right. so you are an "unbiased" source |
| [09:39:34] | mchou: | lol |
| [09:39:47] | cesman: | I _know_ for a fact the folks that sell the Dragon contact zap2it and zap2it had no issues with them |
| [09:39:59] | cesman: | the Dragon doesn't include software |
| [09:40:04] | tank-man: | ok then i am wrong |
| [09:40:24] | cesman: | mchou: those facts enough for you? |
| [09:40:29] | mchou: | cesman: no |
| [09:40:35] | cesman: | whatever... |
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| [09:40:59] | mchou: | address my issue how a reference platform doesnt get outdated quickly |
| [09:41:15] | cesman: | why do you think it does? |
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| [09:41:22] | mchou: | and is only useful for those that don't know what they are doing |
| [09:41:37] | mchou: | I made not assertions regarding zap2it |
| [09:41:47] | mchou: | s/not/no |
| [09:41:47] | cesman: | and what about people that know what they are doing and simply want something that they know just works? |
| [09:42:12] | cesman: | I didn't state that you did.... |
| [09:42:41] | mchou: | cesman: no, but you sure implied it by asking [01:40] <cesman> mchou: those facts enough for you? |
| [09:43:00] | cesman: | mchou: when I started on KnoppMyth, one of the _biggest_ question people ask about was hardware... |
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| [09:43:33] | directhex|bsp: | i recommend a cpu, and maybe a motherboard, for optimal knoppmyth experience |
| [09:43:34] | cesman: | a reference platform (in this case) simple exist so people can get hardware that we know just works |
| [09:43:46] | mchou: | cesman: sure. so? Do those people know what they wer doing? Most likely not. |
| [09:43:54] | mchou: | were* |
| [09:44:29] | cesman: | again, I've meant people that knew plenty about computer and linux and simply didn't want to go thru the hassle of buying this and that.... |
| [09:44:40] | cesman: | the simply wanted to be point to something that works |
| [09:44:52] | cesman: | and that is what the reference platform is... |
| [09:45:02] | mchou: | cesman: lol. Nowhere yet have you addressed what I've stated |
| [09:45:16] | cesman: | whatever dude |
| [09:45:25] | mchou: | cesman: think about who is doing the bullshitting |
| [09:45:27] | cesman: | we can agree to disagree |
| [09:46:03] | cesman: | mchou: you want enjoy putting a system together |
| [09:46:11] | hnitsuj: | agreeing to disagree is never an option with some people, because they'll never agree to that! ;) |
| [09:46:27] | cesman: | s/want/may |
| [09:46:38] | directhex|bsp: | nor is absorbing info |
| [09:46:48] | mchou: | "people who know what they are doing" and "people who can't be bothered to put together their own system" are orthogonal sets |
| [09:47:04] | directhex|bsp: | anyway, IME, the knoppmyth experience is somewhat lessened without a cpu and motherboard, hence recommending them |
| [09:47:05] | cesman: | but others just as knowledge and just as experience may simply say...screw it... |
| [09:47:12] | cesman: | I have better things to do |
| [09:49:39] | ** hnitsuj returns to car shopping ** | |
| [09:50:07] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, get a soft-top! |
| [09:50:36] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, nah, really, what's the payout? what kind of thing you looking at? |
| [09:53:50] | hnitsuj: | citroen c3 possibly, want low VED & good MPG |
| [09:54:20] | directhex|bsp: | french? hope you get good breakdown cover too |
| [09:54:22] | hnitsuj: | insurance co yesterday said they were basically thinking about giving me top book price |
| [09:55:16] | hnitsuj: | bah I've known more people who've had Ford & Vauxhall cars that turned out to be lemons |
| [09:55:25] | mchou: | hnitsuj: what?? you get into an accident? |
| [09:55:45] | hnitsuj: | mchou: not quite. had a burglary last week & the bastards took my car keys |
| [09:55:46] | mchou: | hnitsuj: screw Ford. They suck |
| [09:55:52] | directhex|bsp: | well, yes, that's normal. at least when a ford breaks down, the spare parts are tuppence ha'penny |
| [09:56:13] | mchou: | hnitsuj: that does indded suck |
| [09:56:18] | mchou: | indeed* |
| [09:56:30] | hnitsuj: | could have come at a worse time, having to shell out for a new car even with the good valuation of my old one |
| [09:56:37] | cesman: | mchou: on that we can agree ;) |
| [09:56:43] | DGnome: | Citroen C5 is the only way to drive ;) maybe C6 |
| [09:56:48] | mchou: | so they took your keys from your house?? |
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| [09:57:10] | directhex|bsp: | parkers rates the c3 at 3.5 stars |
| [09:58:02] | hnitsuj: | directhex|bsp: I don't have that much dosh to spend. I'm not getting into hock to save £100 a year on road tax – bearing in mind my insurance premium will be going up 20% |
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| [09:58:32] | directhex|bsp: | just saying there are better cars for similar cash |
| [09:58:41] | mchou: | hnitsuj: 20%? why? just cause your car got stolen? |
| [09:58:43] | hnitsuj: | got an 07 corsa at the mo as the replacement car – it's shite |
| [09:58:47] | directhex|bsp: | the only citroen i'd consider is japanese-made anyway |
| [09:58:51] | hnitsuj: | mchou: a claim is a claim |
| [09:58:59] | hnitsuj: | theft you typically lose 2 years no claims |
| [09:59:12] | hnitsuj: | a no-fault accident would leave it intact |
| [09:59:33] | mchou: | insurance is such a scam |
| [10:00:00] | mchou: | ask them why you paid premiums over the past :) |
| [10:00:14] | hnitsuj: | heh. shareholders |
| [10:00:22] | mchou: | and didn't those premiums cover theft? |
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| [10:00:57] | hnitsuj: | yeah but they reduce the premium based on how long it is since you last claimed |
| [10:01:15] | mchou: | ok, maybe that's true |
| [10:01:21] | mchou: | but still |
| [10:02:18] | mchou: | just don't get a european or american car |
| [10:02:25] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, you want 3 or 5 door? |
| [10:03:11] | mchou: | european cars not good value for $, and American cars suck ass |
| [10:03:38] | hnitsuj: | directhex|bsp: not fussed but would prefer 5 |
| [10:03:57] | hnitsuj: | and NO way would I buy a jap car. NO effing chance |
| [10:04:06] | directhex|bsp: | any specific reason? |
| [10:04:07] | mchou: | what??? |
| [10:04:14] | mchou: | makes no sense to me |
| [10:04:27] | hnitsuj: | might make no sense to you but that's my point of view |
| [10:04:48] | hnitsuj: | never liked the look of any Japanesey cars |
| [10:04:57] | directhex|bsp: | ah, looks |
| [10:04:58] | mchou: | lol |
| [10:05:00] | hnitsuj: | maybe a toyota at a _push_ |
| [10:05:16] | hnitsuj: | they're not great on economy either |
| [10:05:20] | mchou: | I thought you were married |
| [10:05:32] | mchou: | wtf you give a shit about looks? |
| [10:05:36] | hnitsuj: | jesus the wife would have me driving an estate car |
| [10:06:12] | mchou: | like a citroen looks better than any japanese car. lol |
| [10:06:21] | directhex|bsp: | given something like the jazz gets the same mpg as the c3, i'm not sure that holds true, really |
| [10:06:21] | hnitsuj: | mchou: if a car looks like shit (say Nissan Almera)... |
| [10:06:53] | directhex|bsp: | and at any rate, my experiences strongly point towards getting something reliable. but as you say, it's your call |
| [10:07:13] | hnitsuj: | nowt wrong with my last car tbh |
| [10:07:21] | mchou: | dude, I dont know where you are getting your facts from. Japanese cars became dominant largely because of their economy |
| [10:07:24] | directhex|bsp: | which was? |
| [10:07:31] | hnitsuj: | Seat Leon |
| [10:07:37] | mchou: | lol |
| [10:08:35] | directhex|bsp: | http://www.topgear.com/content/carsurvey/2006/ |
| [10:08:37] | mchou: | talk about fugly |
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| [10:09:20] | directhex|bsp: | leon rates... 47/152. top third. could be much worse |
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| [10:12:54] | hnitsuj: | no accounting for taste! |
| [10:13:15] | hnitsuj: | considering all yank & most jap cars look like crates with wheels IMHO |
| [10:13:26] | directhex|bsp: | surveys are a reasonable way to smooth out peaks and troughs which might give a false impression, if looking at singular reviews |
| [10:14:17] | directhex|bsp: | if you want ugly, seen toyota's american-facing brand "scion"? |
| [10:14:36] | mchou: | lol |
| [10:14:39] | directhex|bsp: | http://www.thetorquereport.com/2008_scion_xb_gold.jpg &n dash; popular in america. wtf. |
| [10:14:45] | mchou: | that is indded fugly |
| [10:14:58] | mchou: | it aint popular in the US |
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| [10:15:22] | mchou: | those people have no idea what they are talking about |
| [10:16:02] | mchou: | rarely do I see any scions on the road here |
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| [10:20:52] | quicksilver: | looks too small to be popular in america :) |
| [10:21:08] | Dagmar: | They advertise the hell out of them to kids tho |
| [10:21:12] | hnitsuj: | anyway, definitely looking for something that runs at least 50mpg on motorways & costs £35 a year to tax |
| [10:21:14] | Dagmar: | One example: gaiaonline.com |
| [10:21:21] | mchou: | quicksilver: plenty of small cars popular in US |
| [10:21:25] | hnitsuj: | less than 5 years old would be a plus |
| [10:21:28] | quicksilver: | mchou: I was being flippant. |
| [10:21:33] | Dagmar: | They've got a racing game on the site that's practically one big scion-worship forum |
| [10:21:40] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, diesel? |
| [10:21:46] | hnitsuj: | directhex|bsp: aye |
| [10:21:55] | directhex|bsp: | 50mpg should be easy on diesel |
| [10:21:59] | hnitsuj: | Dagmar: www.scion-tology.org? ;) |
| [10:22:27] | quicksilver: | merc A-class will do about 60mpg on diesel |
| [10:22:36] | hnitsuj: | was getting 36.2 mpg out of the leon – not bad for a petrol model of that age |
| [10:22:52] | hnitsuj: | quicksilver: merc! hahahahaha. on my wages?! ROFLMAO |
| [10:23:42] | directhex|bsp: | quicksilver, the a-class is amongst the top 10 worst cars in the country |
| [10:24:06] | mchou: | lol |
| [10:24:12] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, i get about 42mpg measured in my petrol honda |
| [10:24:19] | mchou: | that's cause it was made by Chrysler |
| [10:24:26] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, for low running costs you want a bluemotion polo, of course :p |
| [10:24:42] | hnitsuj: | yeah – pity I don't have 15 grand in my back burner |
| [10:24:44] | quicksilver: | directhex|bsp: that is not my opinion, nor is it the opinion of the motor press that I have read. |
| [10:24:52] | quicksilver: | directhex|bsp: if it's yours, fair enough. |
| [10:25:02] | mchou: | hnitsuj: just get a crotch rocket and get it over with :) |
| [10:25:31] | mchou: | most ! for $ :) |
| [10:25:39] | hnitsuj: | heh. not old enough for that yet |
| [10:25:45] | directhex|bsp: | quicksilver, £22000 is also quite a lot for a mini-mpv |
| [10:25:50] | hnitsuj: | my mid-life crisis can wait |
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| [10:26:16] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, there is no mid-life crisis – there's paying off your mortgage and being able to afford being a teenager ;) |
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| [10:26:39] | quicksilver: | directhex|bsp: it is, yes. Their 2nd hand prices are more reasonable. |
| [10:27:03] | quicksilver: | directhex|bsp: we payed 7k or something for a 2004 model; compared to other cars you could buy for 7k it looked quite sensible. |
| [10:27:10] | directhex|bsp: | quicksilver, servicing & spares costs are obscene |
| [10:29:00] | directhex|bsp: | i think i'd get an mx5 as a mid-life crisis car. i love the curves, and they're dirt cheap second hand |
| [10:39:00] | hnitsuj: | hmmm don't have anything against honda |
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| [10:39:12] | hnitsuj: | civics look ok IMHO, well last time I saw one... |
| [10:41:15] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, the space-age ones, or the old ones? |
| [10:42:00] | directhex|bsp: | hm, the space-age civic scores 4.5 stars from parkers. that's not half bad really |
| [10:42:32] | ** hashbang has been happy with his 15 year old Honda Concerto-based Rover 200 ** | |
| [10:42:40] | hnitsuj: | blech |
| [10:42:48] | hashbang: | I'd buy the same (well, a 45 Hatch) again, if it weren't such an old design now |
| [10:42:48] | hnitsuj: | had one of them. fucking bag of bits |
| [10:43:05] | directhex|bsp: | indeed |
| [10:43:06] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: mine's been no bother, K series engine, even |
| [10:43:23] | hnitsuj: | had a rover 220 TD. cost more than it was worth in servicing. was v. lucky to get 2 grand p/x |
| [10:43:39] | hnitsuj: | sounded like a black cab too. nasty |
| [10:43:58] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: the only non-consumable I've had to pay for was a driveshaft last year, which was what finally made me start looking for a replacement |
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| [10:44:10] | directhex|bsp: | rover died for a reason |
| [10:44:26] | directhex|bsp: | the chinese are welcome to them |
| [10:44:37] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: mostly poor image, as a result of their 80s stuff. |
| [10:44:38] | hnitsuj: | british made shite |
| [10:44:47] | hnitsuj: | nah they failed because they made boxy shit |
| [10:44:52] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: believe me, I had a similarly poor opinion before I actually owned one. |
| [10:44:59] | hnitsuj: | boxy, heavy expensive to run, unreliable shit |
| [10:45:01] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: far better than Ford and Vauxhall for the money. |
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| [10:45:11] | directhex|bsp: | there's some nicely made vehicles in britain. not that you can neccessarily buy them here |
| [10:45:21] | directhex|bsp: | hell, the tesla roadster is made by lotus ;) |
| [10:45:25] | hnitsuj: | better interior for the money than ford but that'd be it |
| [10:45:32] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: lotus=Rover engines! |
| [10:45:45] | directhex|bsp: | hashbang, on the tesla? O_o |
| [10:45:45] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: better reliability too, until the Focus came out. |
| [10:45:53] | hnitsuj: | maybe the non peugeot engines rovers were fine |
| [10:45:54] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: certainly on the Elise. |
| [10:46:22] | directhex|bsp: | hashbang, not anymore |
| [10:46:22] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: yup, the Honda 1.6 engines were good, the 1.4 K series was fine if previous owners bothered to check coolant now and then. |
| [10:46:48] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: the 2.0 petrol were oil burners |
| [10:46:59] | directhex|bsp: | toyota celica-based |
| [10:47:37] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: mind you, Toyota VVTi engines have problems with porous bore liners too, causing oil burning. |
| [10:47:40] | directhex|bsp: | of course, engine re-use is fine & dandy. the most cost-effective supercar on the market, which can keep pace with a top-end ferrari, runs a civic type r engine ;) |
| [10:47:54] | ** hashbang nearly bought an '04 Avensis recently that had a new engine at 88K. ** | |
| [10:48:06] | hnitsuj: | oh aye other criteria – lowish insurance group – 6 or less is a must |
| [10:48:17] | hnitsuj: | pay through the nose to live in manchester |
| [10:48:24] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, a civic would be 4–11 depending on model, since you mentioned it |
| [10:48:43] | directhex|bsp: | i think my jazz is 2 or 3. i'd have to check |
| [10:48:48] | hashbang: | I think I pay ~230/year for Group 9. |
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| [10:48:56] | hnitsuj: | ]jesus |
| [10:49:06] | hnitsuj: | hashbang: where do you live? outer hebrides? |
| [10:49:13] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: inner city Bristol! |
| [10:49:16] | hnitsuj: | fs |
| [10:49:18] | directhex|bsp: | se sport: ig3 |
| [10:49:25] | directhex|bsp: | knew i wasn't going mad |
| [10:49:42] | hnitsuj: | I had 3 years no claims bonus & moved to postcode M – premium went up £300 |
| [10:49:47] | directhex|bsp: | i actually got a slight refund from the insurance company when moving from the fiat, which could barely break 65mph, to the jazz |
| [10:50:27] | ** hashbang is considering new shape Avensis, Mondeo, Primera, Octavia hatches and Focus and Astra Estates ** | |
| [10:51:03] | hnitsuj: | didn't rule out skoda til I saw the emmissions & economy stats |
| [10:51:13] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: check out the 1.9 diesels |
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| [10:51:24] | hnitsuj: | hashbang: I did. awful |
| [10:51:41] | hnitsuj: | slightly better than 50mpg, tax band D |
| [10:51:53] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: I guess |
| [10:52:09] | hnitsuj: | 'ok' but certainly not great |
| [10:52:18] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: but then my 1.4 Rover is about the same as most 1.8 normally-aspirated modern engines in terms of emissions and economy |
| [10:52:37] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: it's only a fluke of the tax regime (old car, under 1.5l) that makes it cheap to tax |
| [10:52:47] | hnitsuj: | heheh |
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| [10:52:57] | hnitsuj: | you'd be knacked on emissions alone ;) |
| [10:52:59] | hashbang: | about 105/year, IIRC. |
| [10:53:13] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: I would be if it were newer – it's about 3g off a modern 1.8. |
| [10:53:20] | hnitsuj: | I made a mistake in e in getting a petrol Leon, I have to admit |
| [10:54:02] | hashbang: | I do like having 0–60 in ~10s though, for motorway driving. |
| [10:54:22] | directhex|bsp: | hm, diesel civic. 55mpg, 135g/km, band c, for a pretty damn chunky engine |
| [10:54:55] | hashbang: | and a decent boot if I fold the back seats down! |
| [10:55:02] | directhex|bsp: | 0–60 in 8.3s with the civic 2.2. no idea whether there are any second hand though, and new hondas aren't cheap |
| [10:56:11] | directhex|bsp: | £16k4 starting price for the diesel civic, new. then again, it's £14k5 to get the same engine i'm using now in a much smaller car |
| [10:56:36] | directhex|bsp: | sod it, IG10 for a diesel civic |
| [10:56:47] | hashbang: | oh, considering Honda Accords too, but they're about as hard to find as new shape Avensis |
| [10:56:48] | directhex|bsp: | then again, IG doesn't always tell the full story, but still |
| [10:57:17] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: aye; the Avensis I was looking at was about IG7, IIRC, but more to insure than IG11 Octavia, IIRC. |
| [10:57:26] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: virtually the same purchase price, too. |
| [10:57:55] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: so presumably down to high Toyota repair costs |
| [10:58:20] | directhex|bsp: | perhaps. insurance groups are funny things |
| [10:58:53] | directhex|bsp: | i mean, really, a 1.1l fiat seicento the same IG as a car that can actually go faster than 65? |
| [10:59:09] | directhex|bsp: | and more expensive within that IG? |
| [11:01:55] | hnitsuj: | seriously not arsed about 0–60 times |
| [11:02:07] | hnitsuj: | my foot stopped being heavy when I turned 30 |
| [11:02:28] | directhex|bsp: | hashbang commented on it! |
| [11:03:27] | directhex|bsp: | hell, my acceleration is shitty. no power transfer until ~3–3.5k rpm. but it's still better than the fiat was |
| [11:04:39] | hnitsuj: | hashbang: yeah the group isn't always the whole story. spesh not Skoda vs Toyota ;) Bet you could have a group 25 Kia for about £20 a year! |
| [11:05:52] | directhex|bsp: | who'd nick a korean car? honestly |
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| [11:06:56] | hashbang: | a Hyundai Accent Coupé I had as a courtesy once was kinda fun, but didn't do so well for traction... |
| [11:07:11] | directhex|bsp: | hyundai isn't korean |
| [11:07:19] | hnitsuj: | they're awful |
| [11:07:22] | hnitsuj: | my dad had one |
| [11:07:26] | directhex|bsp: | wait, yes they are |
| [11:07:34] | directhex|bsp: | i'm confusing them with another H company |
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| [11:11:52] | hnitsuj: | as for Fiat – I'd rather have my balls removed than buy a fiat |
| [11:11:58] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: me too. |
| [11:12:11] | hnitsuj: | ugly & italian. it couldn't get much worse |
| [11:12:30] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: my stereotype of Italian cars is 'nice styling, shame about the electrics. Guess you guys don't get much rain, eh?' |
| [11:12:31] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, ugly, unreliable & italian |
| [11:12:33] | hnitsuj: | sooner buy a SMART :P |
| [11:12:45] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, a smart? i thought you couldn't afford a merc! |
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| [11:13:03] | hnitsuj: | I said I'd sooner buy a smart than a Fiat |
| [11:13:11] | hnitsuj: | doesn't mean I _would_ ;) |
| [11:13:23] | hashbang: | I'd quite like a Smart Roadster, as long as I could have something else for IKEA visits and the like... |
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| [11:13:38] | directhex|bsp: | justdave, they no longer use spinal-cord-severing window glass in the rear windscreens! |
| [11:13:46] | directhex|bsp: | bah |
| [11:13:49] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, ^ |
| [11:14:02] | hnitsuj: | hahaha |
| [11:14:25] | hnitsuj: | funny nobody's mentioned beetles :P |
| [11:14:37] | hnitsuj: | oh wait, no it's not |
| [11:14:53] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: get a Golf or other Golf-derivative – more practical, cheaper. |
| [11:15:08] | hnitsuj: | cheaper to run maybe |
| [11:15:14] | hashbang: | hnitsuj: unless, of course, you're talking vintage Beetle |
| [11:15:19] | hnitsuj: | I'm fucking skint |
| [11:15:35] | Davo_Dinkum: | skint=broke? |
| [11:15:40] | directhex|bsp: | yes, skint=broke |
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| [11:15:47] | hnitsuj: | it could've come at a worse time – like xmas – but other than that it's not opportune timing |
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| [11:16:09] | directhex|bsp: | without a value to attach to searches, anything we suggest is purely academic |
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| [11:17:02] | hnitsuj: | bout 6 grand is my realistic max I think – assuming I do actually get top book price |
| [11:17:24] | directhex|bsp: | and you'll be able to buy second hand with that no problem? |
| [11:18:49] | directhex|bsp: | 6k is certainly a reasonable amount for second hand |
| [11:19:15] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: agreed. My budget is 5.5, but really don't want to spend more than 4.5 |
| [11:19:33] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: seems to get a decent amount of choice. More than I can be bothered to test drive, anyway. |
| [11:19:49] | directhex|bsp: | my budget for my last car was "3 years' finance, 230 quid a month tops, px this crappy fiat plz" |
| [11:20:09] | ** hashbang always buys with cash. ** | |
| [11:20:25] | directhex|bsp: | couldn't afford to |
| [11:20:29] | hashbang: | I save loans for things that appreciate, like education and houses (over the long term) |
| [11:20:40] | hashbang: | that said, now I have a mortgage, everything is on credit, really. |
| [11:20:44] | ** hashbang sighs. ** | |
| [11:20:45] | directhex|bsp: | badly needed a new car. the fiat was a nightmare |
| [11:20:57] | directhex|bsp: | in the6 months i had it, i spent about a grand on repairs |
| [11:21:03] | quicksilver: | buying a car on finance is just like saving up for a car. |
| [11:21:12] | quicksilver: | it's just you get the car at the beginning not the end of the saving period :) |
| [11:21:12] | directhex|bsp: | quicksilver, except interest sucks |
| [11:21:21] | quicksilver: | [that does assume you get a decent rate of interest] |
| [11:21:29] | quicksilver: | the finance on our car was less than ISA rates. |
| [11:21:36] | quicksilver: | so it was better to leave the money in the ISA and pay monthly. |
| [11:22:07] | hashbang: | quicksilver: might not be possible to get such good loan rates today, mind. |
| [11:22:19] | directhex|bsp: | i have no regrets about the car i bought |
| [11:22:28] | quicksilver: | perhaps not |
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| [11:22:35] | quicksilver: | although interest rates have been cut a few times |
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| [11:22:40] | directhex|bsp: | and really, the depreciation rates on honda are so low, i can px it for muchos cashes when i'm done with repayments |
| [11:23:14] | Deek: | hah, that's impossible where I live |
| [11:23:44] | Deek: | Cars don't last long here (Michigan) with the salt on the roads |
| [11:24:29] | directhex|bsp: | think i paid 8k for it (hard to be sure, the loan fuzzes things a bit). 18 months later, it'd cost 6k to buy |
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| [11:26:00] | hnitsuj: | 6k is my limit, onbviously don't wnna spend that if I can get away with it |
| [11:26:17] | directhex|bsp: | daihatsu, that was it. i was confusing hyundai with daihatsu |
| [11:26:29] | Deek: | which is Japanese. |
| [11:26:29] | hnitsuj: | same diff |
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| [11:26:45] | hnitsuj: | look like shit, are shit |
| [11:26:55] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, one's korean, one's japanese. do we trust the land of honda and toyota, or the land of kia and daewoo? |
| [11:27:07] | hnitsuj: | honda or toyota |
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| [11:27:25] | hnitsuj: | maybe I have them all lumped together in my feeble mind ;) |
| [11:27:43] | hnitsuj: | anyway no matter what at the end of the day all cars are a royal waste of cash |
| [11:27:53] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, of course. but damned convenient |
| [11:28:21] | hnitsuj: | nearest affordable housing to where I work has worse crime stats than where I live now |
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| [11:29:58] | hnitsuj: | plus there's fuck all here ;) |
| [11:30:11] | hnitsuj: | least I live within spitting distance of civilisation |
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| [11:30:33] | ** Deek needs an elise ** | |
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| [11:32:09] | hnitsuj: | just remembered I need to ring the loss adjuster to arrange thr 'friendly chat' |
| [11:32:40] | directhex|bsp: | Deek, they're affordable, for sports cars |
| [11:32:48] | Deek: | indeed. |
| [11:32:56] | directhex|bsp: | Deek, dealership up the road keeps getting them in. about 10k used |
| [11:32:57] | Deek: | and a 4+ PWR |
| [11:33:48] | Deek: | which gives it supercar acceleration. |
| [11:35:50] | Dagmar: | Meh. I'd rather have the +3 AGI |
| [11:36:34] | directhex|bsp: | pft |
| [11:36:41] | directhex|bsp: | +9 against ogres |
| [11:37:09] | Deek: | heh |
| [11:37:24] | Deek: | power-weight ratio, natch |
| [11:37:49] | cafuego: | weak |
| [11:37:57] | cafuego: | +42 whisk of insanity ftw |
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| [11:58:31] | jblack: | awww. gary gygax died. |
| [11:58:49] | jblack: | I guess he lacked the constitution. |
| [11:59:02] | Davo_Dinkum: | who? |
| [11:59:10] | hnitsuj: | Davo_Dinkum: D&D creator |
| [11:59:11] | directhex|bsp: | Davo_Dinkum, creator of d&d |
| [11:59:12] | hnitsuj: | saddo #1 |
| [11:59:28] | directhex|bsp: | hey, d&d's not sad. big hollywood stars like d&d! |
| [11:59:48] | hnitsuj: | big hollywood stars buy into scientology too |
| [11:59:49] | Davo_Dinkum: | oh yeah i saw that on boingboign |
| [12:01:14] | directhex|bsp: | "I was literally playing Dungeons and Dragons with Judi Dench and Karl Urban at nights after shooting. I will tell you that I was showing her Dungeons and Dragons books and showing her the different properties of Elementals." |
| [12:01:27] | directhex|bsp: | O_o vin diesel is a holywood hardman who's firghteningly into d&d |
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| [12:01:59] | hnitsuj: | vin diesel for el presidente! |
| [12:02:34] | directhex|bsp: | VIN: No. I never play D&D. For some reason, they thought that I played D&D for 20 years. They thought that I spent years playing Barbarians, Witchunters, The Arcanum. They thought I played D&D back in the '70s when it's just the basic D&D set. They thought I continued to play D&D when it became Advanced Dungeons and Dragons. They thought I played D&D when there were only three books – the "Player's Handbook," the "Monster's Manual |
| [12:02:35] | directhex|bsp: | " and the "Dungeon Master's Guide." They thought I played D&D as it continued onto the Unearthed Arcanum, Oriental Adventures, Sea Adventures, Wilderness Adventures. THEY thought I played D&D at the time when "Deities and Demigods" was the brand new book. THEY thought I played D&D when I used to get up to a place called The Complete Strategist in New York. |
| [12:02:35] | directhex|bsp: | [Mouths: "I'm into D&D a lot."] |
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| [12:05:49] | jblack: | Anyone that liked D&D would have a promising career as either an accountant or a lawyer. Probably both. |
| [12:07:04] | hnitsuj: | a c*** or a complete & utter c*** – you decide. rollt he dice! |
| [12:07:22] | jblack: | What's a c*** ? |
| [12:07:43] | hnitsuj: | last letter 't' – not a term of endearment |
| [12:07:44] | directhex|bsp: | jblack, or, in this case, a holywood actor |
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| [12:08:17] | jblack: | A cunt? |
| [12:09:10] | ** jblack tries to align up hnitsuj and directhex and the only person he can come up with is Britney Spears ** | |
| [12:09:21] | hnitsuj: | being a lawyer isn't something any sane person should aspire to. morally bankrupt |
| [12:09:46] | jblack: | Oh, I don't agree with that. |
| [12:09:52] | directhex|bsp: | OBJECTION! |
| [12:10:05] | jblack: | sustained. |
| [12:10:10] | hnitsuj: | getting murderers off on technicalities... |
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| [12:11:07] | jblack: | hnitsuj: For a moment, let's go with your assertion that lawyers get lawyers off on technicalities. Do all lawyers practice criminal law? |
| [12:11:25] | jblack: | gah. lawyers get murderers off... |
| [12:11:41] | directhex|bsp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YViJ9KagCJ4 |
| [12:11:59] | hnitsuj: | no they're not all criminal dealing types I know |
| [12:12:39] | hnitsuj: | I don't class civil lawyers as being much better though tbh |
| [12:12:42] | jblack: | Some lawyers are there to enforce your rights when someone doesn't make good on screwing you over. |
| [12:12:54] | hnitsuj: | granted, yes |
| [12:13:22] | jblack: | Some lawyers are out there to make sure that the authorities don't subvert basic civil rights. |
| [12:13:41] | jblack: | directhex|bsp: Cute. :) |
| [12:13:47] | hnitsuj: | anyway the only D&D players I've known turned into unkempt computer geeks with a penchant for poor personal hygiene ;) |
| [12:15:14] | directhex|bsp: | jblack, cute *and* fun! |
| [12:15:21] | jblack: | Logically, that assertion fails on a number of points. |
| [12:15:27] | directhex|bsp: | jblack, on the DS version, you get to shout "objection" manually! |
| [12:15:42] | jblack: | directhex|bsp: lol |
| [12:15:52] | directhex|bsp: | and "take that" and "hold it" |
| [12:16:11] | jblack: | I'm suin my neighbor for dangerous trees. Maybe I should pick up phoenix wright for practice. :) |
| [12:16:15] | hnitsuj: | the people whose faces I got on CCTV before they broke into my house & stole stuff – I probably violated their right to privacy – wouldn't be in the least bit surprised. do I give a shit? |
| [12:16:17] | directhex|bsp: | you get some funny looks on the bus if you use the mic input rather than just clicking |
| [12:16:51] | blackest: | jblack in the way of your satellite dish by any chance ? |
| [12:16:54] | jblack: | "OBJECTION!" "judge: what for?" "Uhhhhhhh... because he used the same tone as one of the bad guys in my ds game" |
| [12:17:16] | directhex|bsp: | jblack, precisely! |
| [12:17:34] | directhex|bsp: | jblack, your honor, that last staement clearly contradicts the evidence! |
| [12:17:34] | jblack: | blackest: No. They're leaning at 45 degree angles, and aimed so as to fall on my house when they inevitably fall over |
| [12:18:20] | jblack: | I can already tell that I'm going to have a hard time all day today not screaming OBJECTION at people for random acts. |
| [12:18:46] | hnitsuj: | pity the dog didn't kill the bastards – but then again we'd still lose the dog if that'd happened |
| [12:18:55] | jblack: | I spent three days on "BELIEVE IT!" because of one x-play review. |
| [12:19:22] | blackest: | can you sue someone for potential destruction of property |
| [12:19:24] | directhex|bsp: | jblack, there are 4 ace attorney games, y'know |
| [12:20:11] | jblack: | blackest: In this case, yes. They're called dangerous nuisances. |
| [12:21:23] | directhex|bsp: | http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-9g-77-7-4 . . . 0-43-99.html http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-ba-77-3-4 . . . 70-1d7y.html http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-ba-77-1-4 . . . 70-21b2.html http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-ba-49-en-70-2hbc.html |
| [12:21:59] | jblack: | These trees, were they to fall (and it's plainly obvious that they eventually will), are likely to harm property and anyone that happens to be in it at the time. |
| [12:22:29] | blackest: | be interesting to see how it plays out, i think you can cut them back if they are over your property |
| [12:22:43] | jblack: | I can cut back the parts that are over my property. |
| [12:23:03] | jblack: | But I can't cut back the whole trees, which are likely to fall right onto my house. |
| [12:23:14] | ** hnitsuj goes out to buy a copy of Glass' Guide ** | |
| [12:23:14] | jblack: | That would be trespass. |
| [12:23:51] | blackest: | whats your neighbor feel about these trees |
| [12:24:03] | jblack: | He doesn't want to do anything at all. |
| [12:24:29] | directhex|bsp: | OBJECTION! |
| [12:24:42] | jblack: | I think there was a point in which he'd had let me cut them down. |
| [12:24:57] | directhex|bsp: | maybe he *can't* do anything at all, because he's being blackmailed... by the murderer! |
| [12:25:01] | jblack: | But they're his trees, so I'm insisting that he get them cut down. |
| [12:25:16] | jblack: | Blame the woodpeckers! |
| [12:25:30] | directhex|bsp: | sorry, i had to type that to get the "omg! tension" music frmo phoenix wright to enter my brain |
| [12:25:36] | jblack: | One of his trees has already fallen on my house. |
| [12:26:04] | blackest: | so what happened with that one |
| [12:26:30] | jblack: | luckily all it took out the paint job of a car that I had parked in the driveway. |
| [12:26:47] | jblack: | His insurance company wouldn't cover it because I couldn't show that he knew the trees are dangerous. |
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| [12:27:33] | blackest: | so did he pay for it |
| [12:27:39] | jblack: | Nope. I did. |
| [12:28:56] | jblack: | That's why I'm in this pickle now. I have to at least be able to prove that he's been made aware that these trees are dangerous... That he's been neglectful, rather than uncognizant. |
| [12:29:02] | blackest: | i would guess if one has come down already there's no wriggle room left for his insurance |
| [12:29:45] | jblack: | For when the trees do come down. I'd be satisfied if he'd take registered mail, or service from the sheriff, notifying him of them, but he's refused service and all registered mail. |
| [12:30:05] | jblack: | So he can still claim he's naive if the trees fall next week. Thus, me _having_ to pull his ass into court... |
| [12:30:27] | jblack: | Of course, he'll probably refused service on that too, probably resulting in a default judgement |
| [12:31:20] | blackest: | have you talked to a tree surgeon |
| [12:31:30] | directhex|bsp: | OBJECTION! |
| [12:34:01] | jblack: | Not yet. |
| [12:34:45] | jblack: | That will come though. First, I have to call him into court so that I can subpeona access to the trees. |
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| [12:36:25] | jblack: | Anyways, that's why I don't hate lawyers. The law, pita that it is, is what we have when someone won't do something that they should be doing. |
| [12:36:26] | blackest: | did your insurance cover the damage ? |
| [12:36:40] | jblack: | They did, and I got dropped as a result. |
| [12:36:47] | jblack: | That was back in '03. |
| [12:37:35] | blackest: | i'd have thought they would have tried to claim of his insurance |
| [12:37:51] | jblack: | I'm not dealing with, nor going to deal with, that problem. Leave it buried, so to speak. I'm dealing with potential future harm. |
| [12:38:43] | jblack: | Though I'm certainly use that past event as support for this claim. |
| [12:39:31] | jblack: | Pardon the pun, but the case is gonna be clear cut. |
| [12:39:39] | blackest: | sounds cheaper to get the trees cut down |
| [12:39:57] | jblack: | It would be much cheaper if he would just cut them down, like I verbally asked him to do many times. |
| [12:41:36] | blackest: | if you dont win its going to cost you a lot, more than the cost of cutting down the trees |
| [12:41:45] | jblack: | But he won't cut them down, and he's refusing to acknowledge my request in any provable sort of way, which is forcing me to advance the issue. If I don't take it to court, when the trees do fall, he'll just claim that he wasn't aware of the matter, causing the problem to fall (get it? fall?) into my hands. |
| [12:42:18] | blackest: | it could be he can't afford to cut them down |
| [12:42:26] | jblack: | If I did go onto his property and cut down his trees, I'd be liable for a whole lot more. |
| [12:42:32] | jblack: | That very well may be. |
| [12:42:42] | jblack: | But he does drive a cadillac. |
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| [12:44:13] | jblack: | Anyways, I don't think I'll lose for three reasons. |
| [12:44:25] | jblack: | four. |
| [12:44:43] | directhex|bsp: | OBJECTION! |
| [12:45:16] | blackest: | i'd be tempted to get a quote for the trees, if its far cheaper than going through courts and paying lawyers it'd save you both grief |
| [12:45:20] | jblack: | First, there's precident from the '03 event. Second, the laws clearly support my position. Third, there's case law precident supporting my position. Fourth, I don't think he'll show at all. |
| [12:45:40] | jblack: | blackest: Did you catch the whole "they're on his property" thing? I can NOT enter his property without permission. |
| [12:46:28] | jblack: | The best I can do is to take pictures from my yard, windows and street. |
| [12:47:07] | blackest: | yep which is why you need to find out the cost, probably get a free quote on that and then you can say it'll cost X and see if he would come up with half x |
| [12:47:57] | jblack: | I need to file the complaint first, which I can attach a subpeonia to. That'll gain me access to the property for said estimates and expert opinions. |
| [12:48:45] | blackest: | you could just ask him its a lot cheaper |
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| [12:48:53] | jblack: | I did, repeatedly. |
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| [12:49:32] | blackest: | what you said was you were asking him to cut the trees down |
| [12:49:38] | jblack: | correct. |
| [12:50:03] | jblack: | I can't afford to pay for cutting his trees down. Even if I could, I shouldn't have to, because they're his trees. |
| [12:50:57] | Deek: | Is there a fix for chipmunk AC3? |
| [12:51:15] | directhex|bsp: | sort your sample rates out |
| [12:51:37] | Deek: | from firewire. |
| [12:51:44] | jblack: | So, take him into court, which he probably won't show for because he'll continue to evade service, get a default judgement. Attach the various things, try to get the court to compel him to do it, recover my costs. |
| [12:52:32] | Deek: | You know, the "32KHz AC3 speeds up playback" problem. |
| [12:52:34] | blackest: | eventually recover your costs and have a hostile neighbor for the rest of the time at your address |
| [12:52:35] | jblack: | At some point, his insurance company will jump into it, who will probably jump in with a settlement offer. |
| [12:53:16] | jblack: | It's been off and on hostile since '03, and definitely been hostile for the last six months as I have stepped up the pressure to get him to take action. |
| [12:53:34] | jblack: | Just three night ago, he screamed at me that I'm insane. |
| [12:55:21] | ** jblack hops into the shower ** | |
| [12:56:30] | blackest: | I took a tree down , it cost me £4 for the saw and a few hours graft |
| [12:56:41] | directhex|bsp: | is your time worthless? |
| [12:57:27] | blackest: | 4 hours ain't that pricey |
| [12:57:41] | directhex|bsp: | it is at my consultancy rates |
| [12:58:17] | blackest: | if it was instead of work it's more and besides it meant my dish could see the satellites |
| [12:58:39] | blackest: | it wasn't my tree either |
| [12:59:17] | blackest: | but then the house was sitting empty next door |
| [13:00:07] | blackest: | you can still see the tree on google maps |
| [13:00:51] | blackest: | and there is a lot more light in my back garden |
| [13:01:20] | directhex|bsp: | you could potentially face legal repercussions, since it's still not your tree |
| [13:01:29] | blackest: | i also did a clean up on a garden that was |
| [13:01:58] | blackest: | over grown and took a tree down for the neighbors at the back |
| [13:02:57] | blackest: | to be honest my nieghbors were fine with it the tree was bringing down a garden wall in the first case |
| [13:03:30] | blackest: | that would have cost them to repair and really they needed it down too |
| [13:04:46] | blackest: | both trees were self seeded anyway |
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| [13:09:48] | blackest: | who wants to spend a load of cash on problem trees? both jblack and his neighbor know these trees are a problem but they are making it even more expensive than it needs to be. |
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| [13:12:38] | directhex|bsp: | blackest, who's to blame? |
| [13:12:55] | jblack: | ahh. much better. |
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| [13:13:23] | directhex|bsp: | blackest, cheap option 1: jblack illegally enters neighbor's property and attacks his treets. possibly gets sued or shot |
| [13:13:42] | directhex|bsp: | blackest, cheap option 2: neighbor stops being a prick. not happening by the sound of it |
| [13:15:20] | jblack: | blackest: To be clear, I have a copy of the laws, sitting right here on my desk, that say he's responsible to take care of this. I also have a copy of previous similiar cases that set the precident that he is responsible to take care of it. |
| [13:16:34] | blackest: | yes you are probably legally in the strongest position but its not helping either of you just the lawyers |
| [13:16:35] | jblack: | Also, I'm trying to keep things as cheap as possible. I'm doing this pro se, rather than hiring a lawyer. I can do that only because he's so obviously in the wrong. |
| [13:17:11] | jblack: | blackest: Do you have kids? |
| [13:17:12] | blackest: | whats the cost to bring these trees down ? |
| [13:17:27] | blackest: | step children yes |
| [13:17:51] | jblack: | Ok.... Imagine a 30 year old tree, leaning at a 45 degree angle, pointed right at your kitchen.... |
| [13:18:15] | blackest: | ok so the sooner its down the better |
| [13:18:17] | jblack: | Now imagine your step children sitting at your table, eating their chocolate covered sugar bombs, on a windy morning. |
| [13:19:01] | blackest: | right so you have worry and stress on going for over 4 years so far |
| [13:19:16] | jblack: | By the way, said tree is right on the foundation of his house.... So, I imagine whoever does pull it out might collapse the basement wall. |
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| [13:19:33] | hnitsuj: | cut it down yourself & deal with the implications later |
| [13:19:49] | jblack: | Oh man, that's legally such a bad, bad idea. |
| [13:19:55] | hnitsuj: | check your deeds too – if any of the tree crosses the boundary, lop it |
| [13:20:18] | hnitsuj: | if my neighbours cut my tree down I'd shake their hand |
| [13:20:21] | jblack: | It doesn't. It's against his basement wall, leans over his driveway, and scrapes against my kitchen wall. |
| [13:20:48] | hnitsuj: | so wtf is up with the neighbour? they just dont want to do anything at all? |
| [13:20:50] | jblack: | And bear in mind, even with permission, if I cut the worst tree down and his basement wall collapses, I'm liable. |
| [13:21:30] | jblack: | hnitsuj: As far as I can tell, he's a cheap basterd. He wasn't even willing to pay the 500 deductible on my insurance when one of his trees took out my car in '03. |
| [13:21:31] | hnitsuj: | I'm sure even the most expensive of tree surgeons won't be anywhere near as costly as taking legal action |
| [13:21:57] | jblack: | What? Total spent for me is likely to be well under four hundred bucks. |
| [13:22:06] | jblack: | Court is cheap, if you have the time and skip the lawyer. |
| [13:22:12] | hnitsuj: | fair nuff |
| [13:22:27] | jblack: | And I'll get that all back, presuming I win the case. |
| [13:22:44] | hnitsuj: | if he's got it |
| [13:23:02] | hnitsuj: | anyway it'll teach the fecker for not playing ball I spose |
| [13:23:12] | jblack: | Whether he's got it or not, if he doesn't pay up, I can seek relief for that in a variety of ways. |
| [13:23:53] | jblack: | Like asking the court to send the sheriff to take his property and sell it on his front lawn until I've recovered my costs. |
| [13:24:14] | hnitsuj: | the guy who lives next to me might very well be a wanker but – we've never had a crossed word |
| [13:24:43] | blackest: | however its not going to be pleasant afterwards if one of your kids balls lands in his garden its not coming back. if he dicides to burn rubbish while your wifes washing is out |
| [13:25:05] | jblack: | Yeah. It's mystifying... I could understand his viewpoint if it had never happened before, and the trees weren't so obviously dangerous. |
| [13:25:52] | jblack: | Oh, did I tell you the ironic part? He's the chairmen of the zoning committee. :) |
| [13:26:08] | blackest: | they have managed at least 4 years since the previous incident they might go 4 more |
| [13:26:19] | jblack: | they might go another 20. |
| [13:26:33] | hnitsuj: | guy sounds like a right cock |
| [13:27:20] | jblack: | he is. His other neighbor hates him. In fact, his other neighbor is planning on using what I learn from my process to do the same thing after I'm done. |
| [13:27:25] | blackest: | these things can get way out of hand someone n my city is dead coz of some privit |
| [13:27:47] | blackest: | neighbors now doing life of course |
| [13:28:07] | jblack: | I don't think he'll kill me. |
| [13:28:29] | jblack: | Actually, though I've never done anything to encourage it, I think he's actually a little scared of me. |
| [13:28:32] | hnitsuj: | just dawned on me it's already been a week since my breakin |
| [13:29:15] | blackest: | sorry to hear about it justin , tried the 2nd hand shops yet? |
| [13:29:51] | hnitsuj: | insurance will hopefully take care of replacing stuff |
| [13:30:08] | blackest: | my guitar got 3 nicked, after i found it in one |
| [13:30:14] | hnitsuj: | even if you give police names & addresses they do FA |
| [13:30:32] | hnitsuj: | they cou;da traced my mobile phone & nabbed em within an hour |
| [13:30:32] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, true |
| [13:32:02] | blackest: | with me i spotted it told the police they came down to the shop and told the guy he couldnt sell it |
| [13:32:49] | blackest: | however he didnt have to give it me back i needed to make an arrangement with him or take it through county court |
| [13:33:41] | blackest: | i decided on county court , not paying for my own gear. anyway while later they came in with some more nicked gear and he made a phone call |
| [13:34:22] | blackest: | 3 gits nicked and a large number of unsolved breakins solved |
| [13:34:54] | hnitsuj: | they were that thick to take stuff to the local Cash Converters? |
| [13:35:33] | hnitsuj: | or as they'll now be known by me.. Fences'R'Us |
| [13:36:23] | hnitsuj: | there was I thinking those shops are only full of goods sold by desperate idiots trying to keep up payments on a dial-a-loan-4-u.com debt consolidation :P |
| [13:37:54] | directhex|bsp: | there are bargains to be had at cash converters |
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| [13:39:38] | hnitsuj: | got the box? leads? "nah, didn't come wiv em!" |
| [13:39:59] | hnitsuj: | hmm why's there no mains plug? looks like it's been cut off in a hurry... |
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| [13:42:07] | blackest: | of course they are that thick, they are not masterminds |
| [13:42:36] | blackest: | they wouldnt be robbin your place if they were bright |
| [13:42:51] | blackest: | they want cash fast |
| [13:43:24] | blackest: | guitar as an example bit hard to shift as its specialised |
| [13:43:38] | hnitsuj: | handbag containing ipod not hard to shift though |
| [13:43:45] | hnitsuj: | not worth the effort though IMHO |
| [13:43:51] | directhex|bsp: | there's always loads of guitars at cash converters |
| [13:44:02] | blackest: | no ipods would sell easy |
| [13:44:24] | hnitsuj: | they missed the DS & all the games fer it |
| [13:44:27] | blackest: | i only looked in one |
| [13:44:27] | hnitsuj: | narrowly |
| [13:45:20] | blackest: | what else did they take |
| [13:45:33] | hnitsuj: | should we have 2nd hand shops looking for UV markings & checking registers of stolen goods? I think maybe |
| [13:45:38] | hnitsuj: | my car keys |
| [13:45:41] | hnitsuj: | & car |
| [13:46:11] | hnitsuj: | wonder if there's a youtube style cctv site anywhere |
| [13:46:36] | blackest: | thats not turned up yet ? |
| [13:46:46] | hnitsuj: | course not |
| [13:47:12] | hnitsuj: | read the other day less than half stolen cars ever turn up |
| [13:47:23] | directhex|bsp: | chop shop! |
| [13:47:29] | blackest: | must be hanging on to it |
| [13:47:45] | hnitsuj: | if the police'd bothered to locate my phone – which was still switched on – they'd have got em dead easy |
| [13:47:49] | blackest: | you might get lucky |
| [13:48:09] | hnitsuj: | guy from work rang it in the afternoon to see how I was doing – he didn't know they'd got that – one of the scrotes answered |
| [13:48:53] | blackest: | did the police say why they couldnt be arsed |
| [13:48:59] | hnitsuj: | nope |
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| [13:49:26] | hnitsuj: | see it's ok, insurance will deal with it! |
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| [13:51:16] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, ick. get the phone blocked so it's unsellable? |
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| [13:52:49] | hnitsuj: | directhex|bsp: same day |
| [13:53:13] | hnitsuj: | actually as soon as I found out those phone tracking services needed consent from the phone being tracked I had it stopped ;) |
| [13:53:26] | hnitsuj: | that'd have been a bit cool |
| [13:53:36] | hnitsuj: | pop along with my spare key & nick it back |
| [13:54:33] | hnitsuj: | definitely putting my next phone on a tracking service – there are a couple who only charge £2.50 or so to register then a quid per trace |
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| [13:55:45] | hnitsuj: | worth buying a cheap phone, leaving it on trickle charge in the car |
| [13:56:06] | hnitsuj: | and so long as they don't take it out in the sticks where the cells are > 5 miles apart... |
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| [14:10:46] | hnitsuj: | 2 hours it took, for the copper to come along. be a differnt matter if I'd said I was holding the perps at gunpoint :P |
| [14:11:50] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, or if you'd said you were downloading pirate music |
| [14:11:57] | hnitsuj: | yeah or that |
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| [14:12:33] | hnitsuj: | or if I hadn't showed up to court for not having paid my council tax |
| [14:13:24] | hnitsuj: | gonna have a look around to see if there's any site where folks can upload cctv & if not – might be an idea to start one |
| [14:13:44] | hnitsuj: | prolly be a target then for invasion of privacy bollocks though |
| [14:14:58] | directhex|bsp: | i'm certain there's a site that allows people to watch proper public cctv footage & report to the rozzers |
| [14:15:37] | GreyFoxx: | justdave: wanna put picks of the thieves online? |
| [14:15:42] | hnitsuj: | I'm talking about a kind of rogue's gallery |
| [14:15:46] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
| [14:16:20] | hnitsuj: | probably dodgy as hell legally |
| [14:17:28] | hnitsuj: | GreyFoxx: not just pics – video |
| [14:18:16] | directhex|bsp: | poor justdave. he has no hope now |
| [14:18:30] | directhex|bsp: | everyone presses j<tab><tab> |
| [14:18:45] | hnitsuj: | can't say I didn't try ;) |
| [14:20:19] | directhex|bsp: | hnitsuj, well, you should have caled yourself jastinh, and also jaastinh – that would guarantee j<tab> and j<tab><tab> both end up on you :p |
| [14:21:51] | hnitsuj: | not having a cockney sounding nick :P |
| [14:23:09] | directhex|bsp: | jaastini! then you sounds italian! |
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| [14:40:18] | hnitsuj: | hmm doesn't seem like any such rogue's gallery exists.. how about www.catch-a-scumbag.com ? |
| [14:42:45] | hnitsuj: | but then again, I thought the emails I got about the deprecetaed themes were nasty.. hate to think how it'd go down to publish photos of real scum |
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| [17:11:53] | javatexan: | hey guys...finally dug out from that pile of work and now I am ready to get started writing a plugin for myth. How is the best way to go about this exactly....is there a development workspace for mythtv (db, fake inputs, etc) or do I have to install it and then just make changes to that version of it? |
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| [17:12:17] | javatexan: | just curious before I head off into the weeds....LOL |
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| [17:13:40] | psymin: | I'm about to buy a vid card for my myth box. Debating which card might have drivers with h264 support first .. any guesses? |
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| [17:15:21] | npurciful: | hey i got my HDHomeRun and DHCP installed but HDHR_config cant find device, I have it detect connect to my network card via a crossover cable. Can someone help please |
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| [17:36:12] | keith4: | i need a small, quiet frontend that can do 1920x1080 playback. ideas? |
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| [17:36:38] | hnitsuj: | recent intel mac mini perhaps |
| [17:36:53] | keith4: | i hear mixed results about 1080p on those |
| [17:37:15] | hnitsuj: | you'll hear mixed results about 1080p on any computer |
| [17:37:32] | hnitsuj: | 1080p h.264 that is |
| [17:37:49] | hnitsuj: | on linux – without help from the VGA card of course |
| [17:37:58] | keith4: | well, i had a box that could *almost* do it... using a mediocre nvidia card and a P4 3.0Ghz |
| [17:38:15] | hnitsuj: | 1080p h.264? I very much doubt that |
| [17:38:23] | keith4: | not h.264 |
| [17:38:37] | keith4: | streaming... whatever my cable company gives me |
| [17:38:40] | iamlindoro: | There's practically no 1080p Mpeg-2 |
| [17:38:42] | hnitsuj: | ah well, anything 1080p isn't being broadcast so you'd naturally be talking about HD discs |
| [17:38:46] | iamlindoro: | that's 1080i |
| [17:38:46] | keith4: | it's 1080i |
| [17:39:18] | hnitsuj: | you said 1080p |
| [17:39:23] | keith4: | my mistake |
| [17:39:24] | iamlindoro: | So what do the mixed results about 1080p on Mac Mini matter? |
| [17:39:36] | keith4: | mixed results about 1920x1080 output |
| [17:39:38] | iamlindoro: | The Mini can *more* than handle any US Broadcast |
| [17:39:46] | keith4: | not necessarily 1080p content |
| [17:39:57] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro: my c2d 1.83 frontend can play 1080i h.264 no problem with svn mplayer :D |
| [17:40:05] | npurciful: | hey i got my HDHomeRun and DHCP installed but HDHR_config cant find device, I have it detect connect to my network card via a crossover cable. Can someone help please |
| [17:40:17] | keith4: | i switched to a 3.0 HT, but the mobo only has a PCIE X1 slot |
| [17:40:22] | iamlindoro: | hnitsuj: skiploopfilter FTW ;) |
| [17:40:30] | keith4: | oh, and half-height |
| [17:40:31] | iamlindoro: | + threads=2 |
| [17:41:06] | keith4: | the only decent card I could find was a quadro NVS that wouldn't play well with that box for some reason, so I've given up |
| [17:42:44] | javatexan: | iamlindoro: how are you doing man...I cant remember, do you do dev too? |
| [17:43:03] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, I've run 1080p Material @ 40 Mbit on a 2.2 Ghz C2Duo... The 2.0 Ghz Mac Mini will make mincemeat out of anything lower than that |
| [17:43:09] | iamlindoro: | 1080p h.264 that is |
| [17:43:27] | keith4: | really... hmmm |
| [17:43:44] | psymin: | so .. regarding 1080p h.264 .. which vid card would you recommend? |
| [17:43:50] | keith4: | running linux on it, I assume? |
| [17:43:50] | iamlindoro: | javatexan: Doing well, thanks... nope, not really a dev... I hack little things here and there but I'd hardly call it development |
| [17:43:54] | iamlindoro: | keith4: yes |
| [17:44:10] | keith4: | any chance of using the mac os x frontend for 1080? |
| [17:44:19] | iamlindoro: | psymin: Doesn't really matter since there's no hardware accel of h.264 in linux and none even on the horizon |
| [17:44:26] | psymin: | Hmm. |
| [17:44:36] | Aval0n: | !seen |torg| |
| [17:44:36] | MythLogBot: | |torg| was last seen 1 day 17 hours 28 minutes 23 seconds ago |
| [17:44:47] | psymin: | how about for sending audio over HDMI? |
| [17:44:53] | psymin: | any linux drivers support that? |
| [17:45:02] | iamlindoro: | keith4: The mac os mythfrontend has some issues re: widescreen in TV, so I try to avoid it when possible |
| [17:45:26] | keith4: | ugh |
| [17:45:34] | javatexan: | iamlindoro: me too bro, me too. |
| [17:45:38] | nordenm: | I have to move from dvb-t to dvb-c and need to buy a suitable card.. Digital Everywhere FloppDTV-C is a no-go right? |
| [17:45:39] | iamlindoro: | psymin: I'm pretty sure the standard nVidia drivers handle all the HDMI stuff... the audio is just shunted through a coax header, I believe |
| [17:45:49] | iamlindoro: | nordenm: correct |
| [17:45:52] | nordenm: | crap |
| [17:46:02] | psymin: | iamlindoro: so you would recommend nvidia vs ati at this point? |
| [17:46:06] | keith4: | yes |
| [17:46:08] | nordenm: | well thanks |
| [17:46:16] | javatexan: | yes |
| [17:46:18] | iamlindoro: | psymin: ATI is a *nightmare* with myth |
| [17:46:20] | iamlindoro: | psy |
| [17:46:29] | iamlindoro: | psymin: So yes yes yes, nvidia or bust ;) |
| [17:46:57] | psymin: | iamlindoro: good to know .. :) .. well hopefully they continue along that open path .. till then I'll buy nvidia |
| [17:47:31] | iamlindoro: | psymin: Nothing would make me happier than to have fully accelerated drivers w. h.264 support, and I'll buy from anyone that provides them, closed or not-- but it's just not even close right now |
| [17:48:21] | psymin: | my hopes almost exceeded my expectations there .. thanks fro grounding me |
| [17:48:29] | iamlindoro: | heh np |
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| [17:50:08] | nordenm: | has anyone tried terratec cinergy c? with CI addon? |
| [17:50:28] | nordenm: | I need a reliable cam in case the phoenixcardreader does not work as it should |
| [17:53:02] | iamlindoro: | nordenm: My understanding (as someone who hasn't used EU DVB) is that the hardware CAMs (non-USB) are generally the ones that work |
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| [17:53:43] | iamlindoro: | nordenm: But the Linuxtv.org is the best resources for all that stuff |
| [17:55:37] | nordenm: | thanks |
| [17:55:41] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [17:56:15] | nordenm: | seems to be a clone of the azurewave card that is a lot cheaper.. |
| [17:59:16] | alexvd: | Did i Read that justin is no longer doing his themes and stepping back? |
| [17:59:56] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [18:00:05] | iamlindoro: | well, I dunno if you read it, but it's true |
| [18:00:20] | GreyFoxx: | wow, I can reliably crash my X using the opengl video renderer |
| [18:00:46] | alexvd: | On the dev mailing list and he responded to acknowledge |
| [18:01:26] | alexvd: | That blows donkeys. That is one of the areas that the project needs the most help. |
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| [18:02:21] | iamlindoro: | I know for a fact that he doesn't mind people picking them up and running with them |
| [18:03:51] | alexvd: | That is what he said on the mailing list |
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| [18:24:02] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: I put a ticket it on that OpenGL thing. I haven't found the problem yet but I've found that if I start/stop playback several times eventually X segfaults :) |
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| [18:27:10] | hnitsuj: | alexvd: maybe it's wrong to decide that ungrateful bastards who send nasty emails can spoil things for everybody else, maybe it's not – but that's how I judged it |
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| [18:27:59] | hnitsuj: | and you try maintaining 10 themes without it taking over a significant part of your life every time UI code changes dictate updates |
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| [18:35:52] | alexvd: | Hey I was just saying its stinks that we are losing his very valuable contribution. Heck I would throw the guy some $$$ to keep him incented. |
| [18:36:15] | GreyFoxx: | alexvd: (that's justin) :) |
| [18:36:30] | alexvd: | I surmised that!! |
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| [18:42:37] | hnitsuj: | get rid of the haters in open source & make the world a better place |
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| [18:46:28] | hnitsuj: | was tempted to say on the ml post that loads of people say "bah just ignore the negative people", but it's much easier said than done. maybe as well as tech support there could be peeps for moral support too |
| [18:46:55] | fryfrog: | unless it is my job, i find ignoring the negative people is pretty easy |
| [18:47:00] | hnitsuj: | only makes me admire the main devs more for being able to brush off the idiots |
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| [18:47:31] | fryfrog: | i simply avoid responding to people on irc/forums/etc that i don't wish to communicate with :) |
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| [19:01:19] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: /usr/bin in slackware |
| [19:01:21] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
| [19:05:38] | directhex: | /usr/bin/greyfoxx |
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| [19:25:49] | hnitsuj: | alexvd & anybody else this might concern – thought about mentioning this on the ML as well – it's pretty likely that contributions will not have ceased altogether, though more than likely in a much less public way. Haven't totally washed my hands of it – even if I did it'd be no use. It's under my skin & in my blood now. There's still coding to be done too – the changes I want won't likely be made by anybody else ;) |
| [19:27:15] | alexvd: | hnitsuj: That is great to hear! Don't let a few whiny bitches get to you. |
| [19:27:20] | sid3wind1: | o_O |
| [19:29:03] | alexvd: | hnitsuj: I have a solution for those people who send you nasty emails & posts. Let Michael T Dean do all you responding and he will write 10 page disserations that will make them sorry they every piped up |
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| [19:29:30] | hnitsuj: | if there's ever a next time I won't hesitate to make their bile public |
| [19:31:35] | iamlindoro: | alexvd: Better watch out, Real life people have nicks here and can hear you (including the person you mentioned ;) ) |
| [19:31:46] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: I and several others have a problem where the first video played is fine, but all playback after than ends up with a blank screen but audio is in the background so it's definately playing |
| [19:32:21] | alexvd: | iamlindoro: i was just kidding. He writes beautiful responses :) |
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| [19:33:06] | iamlindoro: | He certainly has far more patience for the users list than I do-- can barely stand to read it, let alone respond to it |
| [19:33:26] | hnitsuj: | I'm impressed certain wiki pages are still around tbh |
| [19:33:59] | iamlindoro: | hnitsuj: Some are getting impressive traffic for being utterly useless |
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| [19:37:04] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: for a c band signal to go out, down to nothing, then come back, is that normal or a poorly pointed dish? |
| [19:37:22] | alexvd: | iamlindoro: it looks like the creator of mythphone has retired. I keep getting a persistent crash with mythphone doing caller-id pop ups. How do you go about submitting or resolving a bug like that |
| [19:38:26] | iamlindoro: | alexvd: You can submit any bugs at svn.mythtv.org, will probably need to build myth with debug symbols and submit a backtrace (info on how in the docs) |
| [19:38:40] | alexvd: | Ok thanks |
| [19:39:13] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: I suppose it could be either of those, but the only one you really have control over is the dish alignment |
| [19:39:31] | penney: | Howdy all, I'm trying to get input to my MythTV system from a VCR with a Win PVR 500 MCE what would be the best way to configure Myth Backend so I can digitize these videos and such? |
| [19:40:14] | ** iamlindoro considers actually playing around with DVB-S a bit today (even though his house faces SW darn it) ** | |
| [19:40:49] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: it has to be dish size |
| [19:42:43] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: That opengl issue.... your using an Nvidia card right |
| [19:42:45] | GreyFoxx: | ? |
| [19:43:23] | directhex: | yes |
| [19:43:42] | GreyFoxx: | an you both email me your X log ? /var/log/Xorg.0.log on most machines |
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| [19:43:59] | CCFL_Man2: | GreyFoxx: i ordered my qam modulator, should come next week |
| [19:44:12] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: and the output of cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| [19:44:52] | directhex: | http://pastebin.ca/929433 |
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| [19:45:49] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: sorry for the delay, yeah |
| [19:46:20] | GreyFoxx: | In fact right now the main line I want from your X logs is "NVIDIA GLX Module" |
| [19:46:25] | GreyFoxx: | so if you grep for that it's what I need |
| [19:47:38] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Am out of the house right nowand not ssh'ed in to home-- am about to run out-- if you need more than what directhex is able to give you, leave a message to one of my nicks and I will give it to you in the next couple of hours |
| [19:47:43] | directhex: | directhex@mortos:~$ grep "GLX Module" /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| [19:47:44] | directhex: | (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 169.07 Thu Dec 13 19:15:29 PST 2007 |
| [19:47:50] | GreyFoxx: | k |
| [19:48:26] | iamlindoro: | for reference, I am running 169.09 there so will be similar |
| [19:48:27] | GreyFoxx: | So far a pattern is emerging |
| [19:48:31] | GreyFoxx: | k |
| [19:48:40] | GreyFoxx: | I just need 1 or 2 more people who don't have the problem |
| [19:49:04] | directhex: | i'll go and test my myth machine, which has 100.14 |
| [19:49:05] | iamlindoro: | I think I see the problem on a 7300 and a 7950 |
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| [19:56:03] | penney: | Anyone know of a tutorial for getting my VCR output into MythTV? Preferrably so I can record my videos? |
| [19:56:37] | directhex: | well bugger me, the problem doesn't happen on 100.14 |
| [19:56:46] | directhex: | but 100.14 has the xv "green screen" bug :/ |
| [19:56:53] | directhex: | blah! |
| [19:57:15] | Dagmar: | GReen screen bug? |
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| [19:57:22] | Dagmar: | Would this happen to involve framebuffers? |
| [19:58:18] | Dagmar: | 'cuz if you're trying to use anything but the VESA framebuffer driver and the nVidia binary X drivers at the same time, you *will* fail and rather frequently the obvious symptom is a _large green box on the screen_ |
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| [19:59:20] | Dagmar: | penney: If you would read the wiki documentation, the answer would become rather obvious |
| [19:59:33] | Dagmar: | Provided, of course, you're already using MythTV for what it's meant to be used for. |
| [20:00:00] | Dagmar: | If you're not trying to use it as a DVR system to record cable, you'll never figure it out. |
| [20:00:36] | directhex: | Dagmar, no, it would involve xv surfaces looking green and blocky, due to a bug in all 100.x nvidia drivers. please assuming a minimum level of intelligence |
| [20:00:36] | GreyFoxx: | direct/iam: It's definately driver specific |
| [20:00:41] | directhex: | let me find a picture |
| [20:00:53] | Dagmar: | directhex: Pfft. This is the internet. Why would I assume that |
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| [20:01:07] | Dagmar: | Anyway, the 169.x drivers obsolesced the 100.x drivers. |
| [20:01:11] | GreyFoxx: | 96.45.05 works fine, going to 169.07 and the latest 169.12 fail;s |
| [20:01:46] | GreyFoxx: | err 96.43.05 I meant |
| [20:02:12] | GreyFoxx: | out of 6 machines I had data for, the 1 working machine was 96.43.05, so I reverted my desktop and sure enough it works now |
| [20:02:23] | directhex: | Dagmar, and broke the opengl video renderer |
| [20:02:39] | Dagmar: | Did it? |
| [20:02:43] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [20:02:57] | Dagmar: | Odd. |
| [20:03:00] | Dagmar: | Mine works. |
| [20:03:04] | Dagmar: | Oh well |
| [20:03:07] | penney: | Dagmar: The Wiki hasn't been particularly revealing, I tried creating a new tuner using mythsetup but I'm not getting anything from the VCR. |
| [20:03:11] | GreyFoxx: | What version/card ? |
| [20:03:21] | directhex: | myth set to the opengl video renderer with opengl osd works more than once without restartng mfe? |
| [20:03:30] | Dagmar: | penny: You have to create an input and associate it with channels, just like every other use of the system |
| [20:04:13] | Dagmar: | GreyFoxx: Still the smae old 5200 and 169.12 |
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| [20:05:15] | penney: | Dagmar: I want to avoid associating it with my Schedules Direct Channels, I don't want MythTV to try recording TV over this device, if I just run a manual channel scan would that be sufficient? |
| [20:05:28] | Dagmar: | You don't need to do that |
| [20:06:04] | Dagmar: | just create a new source and associate it with an unused channel, like say, channel 1 |
| [20:06:17] | Dagmar: | It will not impact your SD listings in the last |
| [20:06:20] | Dagmar: | s/last/least/; |
| [20:06:33] | penney: | Ah ok |
| [20:06:38] | penney: | that makes sense |
| [20:06:40] | matty-: | I'm getting no video or audio for my scheduled recordings. What could cause this? Live TV works fine. I have a PVR-500 |
| [20:06:48] | Dagmar: | It's actually really trivial once you have everything straight in your head |
| [20:07:12] | Dagmar: | It took me all of 3 minutes to add channel 1 (EVIL) using an old Panasonic EggCam, which I can now look outside with |
| [20:07:30] | Dagmar: | Yes, I can peep out the window without getting out of my chair. |
| [20:07:36] | Dagmar: | Laaaa-zeeee |
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| [20:08:40] | hnitsuj: | penney: fwiw I'd prolly just use composite/svideo & audio connections direct to the card, no messy RF connection – then use v4l2ctl to change inputs on the card without involving mythtv then cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg – no wait actually I'd probably just buy DVDs rather than spend endless hours digitising movie VHS :P Home movies are a different issue of course ;) |
| [20:09:14] | directhex: | hnitsuj, without digitizing, how would you get the authentic "stretched tape & bad tracking" experience? |
| [20:09:31] | hnitsuj: | directhex: there's a plugin for avisynth for that IIRC |
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| [20:09:56] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [20:10:09] | directhex: | hnitsuj, avisynth? so it doesn't make the audio cut out authenticly then :'( |
| [20:10:28] | penney: | hnitsuj: I'm trying to digitize old home videos so can't buy DVD's |
| [20:10:30] | hnitsuj: | mm true. you got me there |
| [20:10:31] | penney: | :) |
| [20:11:06] | hnitsuj: | if you still have the original camcorder tapes of course, altogether better to viddy them instead |
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| [20:12:04] | hnitsuj: | ahh the countless times people on tv-cards.com messageboard that they really shouldn't be fussing around with capture cards to digitise digital camcorder tapes... |
| [20:12:25] | hnitsuj: | *had to be told. ffs my typos are bad |
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| [20:15:17] | Dagmar: | lol |
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| [20:18:10] | penney: | OK well I guess in this respect I'm a bit more of a n00b than I thought. How do I associate this Input Source with Channel 1? |
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| [20:21:10] | gammelmark: | i just upgraded MythWeb, and in the process overwrote the mythweb.apache.conf... where do I find my mysql password for mythtv? I guess it must be stored in a config somewhere? |
| [20:21:42] | xris: | gammelmark: it's usually just "mythtv" |
| [20:21:55] | hnitsuj: | penney: seriously – it's much less hassle to forget about using mythtv to record home camcorder tapes & just use a commandline. because once you got mythtv to work on that input – unless you make dummy EPG data for that source you'll only get 30 or 60 minute chunks in different files – or you'd have to schedule a manual recording & edit it later |
| [20:22:01] | xris: | but if you'r erunning svn, it should be in ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [20:23:04] | hnitsuj: | gammelmark: depends on your distro. most sensible distros use 'mythtv' as the username & 'mythtv' as the password for the mythtv mysql user. but – debian based ones tend to randomise the mysql password at install time. thankfully you can find it in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [20:23:13] | penney: | hnitsuj: Fair enough I guess... I've seen some mencoder commands that just might do the trick ::sigh:: I was trying to be fancy about it |
| [20:23:21] | gammelmark: | xris, thanks, it was just there |
| [20:24:02] | gammelmark: | hnitsuj, i see :) |
| [20:24:22] | hnitsuj: | penney: since it's a pvr card, no need to mess about with mencoder, just cat /dev/videoX > file.mpg |
| [20:25:09] | penney: | kk |
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| [20:25:56] | hnitsuj: | penney: you'll no doubt need the v4l2ctl command to make the pvr card switch inputs if you're using composite/svideo though |
| [20:26:14] | hnitsuj: | and for less generational losses I'd recommend doing that over the RF connection |
| [20:26:29] | hnitsuj: | er.. *avoid* doing it over the RF connection |
| [20:32:42] | penney: | is their anyway I can monitor the contents of my > outputfile? That way I can know when to kill the cat? |
| [20:33:44] | hnitsuj: | watch the vcr output on a TV via its RF output ;) |
| [20:33:52] | penney: | :P |
| [20:33:58] | penney: | fine do it the easy way! |
| [20:34:17] | hnitsuj: | why do it the hard way? |
| [20:34:52] | penney: | Because sometimes laziness wins over... See your asking me to – Pull out the entertainment center and put in another cable... I just don't want to do that! |
| [20:35:26] | hnitsuj: | nothing to stop you playing the file with mplayer of course but bear in mind there'll be lag |
| [20:35:40] | gammelmark: | MythWeb: Call to undefined function posix_uname() – any idea what could cause this? |
| [20:36:03] | xris: | gammelmark: sounds like you're missing some posix library for php |
| [20:38:11] | gammelmark: | maybe. will investigate... maybe it was lost in a php upgrade or is a new requirement to mythweb |
| [20:38:24] | xris: | no clue |
| [20:38:44] | xris: | http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.posix-uname.php |
| [20:38:56] | xris: | I suspect it's something kormoc added for .21 |
| [20:39:54] | gammelmark: | well, i see my php is built without the posix flag... thanks |
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| [20:49:10] | Ojg: | anyone else having problems using aticonfig --tv-geometry ? |
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| [21:01:14] | A_: | I requested a confirmation email for the mythtv wiki three hours ago but never got it, anyonw know if it is working right? (Yes I've checked to make sure my spam filter didn't snag it) |
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| [21:17:44] | venkelos: | does anyone have working nvidia hdmi to tv hdmi, and how did you set it up? is it just an xorg option? |
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| [21:34:06] | iamlindoro_: | venkelos: It's not an X option at all, nVidia HDMI is treated exactly the same as DVI, there are no special options for it |
| [21:35:01] | Ojg: | hello, anyone know what variables the aticonfig --tv-geometry changes ? its seems broken just gives me errors but changes the geometry sometimes anyway |
| [21:35:23] | iamlindoro_: | Ojg: Almost nobody here uses ATI at all since it has so many known issues with myth |
| [21:36:43] | psymin: | iamlindoro_: does that mean nvida hdmi cannot send audio? .. or that DVI can send audio? :) |
| [21:37:18] | iamlindoro_: | DVI cannot send audio, nvidia hdmi *can* so long as the card do so w/ a header from the coaxial audio |
| [21:37:25] | iamlindoro_: | er can do |
| [21:37:49] | iamlindoro_: | as in, so long as the card takes a header from coaxial audio |
| [21:37:50] | psymin: | iamlindoro_: I'm about to purchase hardware .. what should I look for to help ensure that my setup can send audio over hdmi :) |
| [21:38:13] | psymin: | Ahh .. the nvidia card must be able to take the audio from the audio card? |
| [21:38:38] | iamlindoro_: | psymin: You'll want a card that explicitly states it can do audio over HDMI, and that will be done via a crossover cable from your motherboard/sounds card/s coaxial audio connector |
| [21:39:01] | psymin: | so if the vid card has a 'SPDIF Connector' .. It might output that audio? |
| [21:39:42] | iamlindoro_: | very likely, as most video cards are not also sounds cards |
| [21:39:54] | iamlindoro_: | er sound cards |
| [21:41:24] | Ojg: | iamlindoro_: hmm weird everything works great the card does it job with the HD and everything the only problem i had was that i had a 2 inch black strip on the top and bottom of the screen and i tried to fix this with the --tv-geometry option and now it only give me errors when i try to change it back :S |
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| [21:43:31] | venkelos: | iamlindoro_: when you say treated exactly the same as dvi how do you mean? I have a hdmi cord and dvi cord coming out of the same card and the dvi gets picture while the hdmi does not |
| [21:44:17] | venkelos: | do you think unplugging dvi will activate the hdmi? |
| [21:44:29] | jduggan: | venkelos: your card is outputing a mode via HDMI that the HDMI in on your TV wont display |
| [21:45:04] | venkelos: | hmm, ok, when i get home ill try some super low resolution and see if that works |
| [21:45:12] | jduggan: | no |
| [21:45:16] | venkelos: | i thought xorg detected available resolutions now |
| [21:45:24] | jduggan: | it has to be exact HD modelines |
| [21:45:56] | jduggan: | have you looked at the wiki on mythtv.org? |
| [21:45:59] | jduggan: | its got some useful HD info |
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| [21:46:11] | venkelos: | i have looked at at least 10 different wikis in the last week |
| [21:46:15] | venkelos: | but ill look again |
| [21:46:47] | jduggan: | btw, unless there's a specific reason (perhaps audio?) to use HDMI, there's really no advantage to using it over DVI, if DVI is working fine, is there a reason to spend hours using HDMI? |
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| [21:47:19] | venkelos: | i was hoping to get audio working over it |
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| [21:47:47] | jduggan: | Ok |
| [21:48:07] | jduggan: | well TV's tend to be very picky about what modes it will display via HDMI |
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| [21:48:26] | iamlindoro_: | venkelos: Sorry, was out of the room, but you should also try restarting X withonly HDMI plugged in, for at least one other person that worked fine-- but jduggan is right, the television will need to support whatever mode you have set |
| [21:49:35] | iamlindoro_: | It's obviously more forgiving if you're going to an LCD device as it might support all sorts of non-ATSC resolutions-- but some devices will only accept the precise HD modes |
| [21:50:14] | venkelos: | alright, thanks, ill research modelines now then, just needed to know what i should be looking for |
| [21:50:18] | venkelos: | i know almost nothing about tbv |
| [21:50:19] | venkelos: | tv |
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| [21:50:56] | iamlindoro_: | venkelos: *do* try just doing HDMI only out + reboot/X Restart before you start making changes, though-- might as well eliminate the simple option first |
| [21:51:01] | npurciful: | hello anyone have the time to help my setup HDHomeRun direct connect to pc cant seem to get dhcp right |
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| [21:51:17] | venkelos: | i will when i get home tonight :) doing research now on the clock at work :) |
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| [21:55:55] | gleed: | hey, someone wanna help out a newb? Trying to get my mythbuntu to play movies that are packed in .rars without unpacking them? |
| [21:57:04] | iamlindoro_: | gleed: Myth doesn't do that (or, at least, if it dd it would be news to me) although I suppose if you had some player that *did* do so you could spawn it from myth |
| [21:58:55] | gleed: | iamlindoro_: Awh, I wanted to use mythbuntu on a computer instead of XBMC on my xbox, because with XBMC I just open one .rar-file from a shared folder on my network and the movie starts...so you dont think thats possible with mythbuntu? :( |
| [21:59:00] | venkelos: | people use rar still? |
| [21:59:13] | iamlindoro_: | venkelos: only for pirating ;) |
| [21:59:37] | gleed: | thats right :P |
| [21:59:44] | venkelos: | give me .tar.gz or give me death |
| [21:59:48] | iamlindoro_: | since rar provides exactly 0 compression of modern ultra-compressed codecs |
| [22:00:18] | gleed: | well all releases what I know of comes in a buch of .rars |
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| [22:00:35] | iamlindoro_: | gleed: We don't support or discuss piracy in this room |
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| [22:00:51] | gleed: | sorry :) |
| [22:01:07] | venkelos: | i do, but only the high sea kinds |
| [22:01:12] | iamlindoro_: | and the fact that piracy is the only real reason you'd have video in rars, that's probably exactly the reason myth's internal player doesn't play them-- MythTV is an up-and-up project |
| [22:02:07] | gleed: | well.. you dont have to use myth's internal player, right? |
| [22:02:29] | venkelos: | what is myths internal player anyways? xine? |
| [22:02:46] | gleed: | mplayer ? |
| [22:02:49] | iamlindoro_: | gleed: like I said, you can spawn anything you want, but I'm not going to go out of my way to help you play *cough* releases, anyway, and neither will anyone else in here |
| [22:03:00] | iamlindoro_: | venkelos: neither, Myth's player mean's myth's player |
| [22:03:03] | iamlindoro_: | er means |
| [22:03:08] | venkelos: | oh i didnt know they wrote their own |
| [22:03:14] | iamlindoro_: | It's called "internal" for a reason |
| [22:03:31] | venkelos: | do you know why they chose to not wrap myplayer? |
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| [22:03:37] | gleed: | awh :( |
| [22:04:35] | iamlindoro_: | venkelos: There's already support for playing any file type you want with any player you want... and Myth's player is consistent with the entire myth interface/OSD, etc. and mplayer is not. Just like mplayer, myth's player is based on libavcodec and can play any format supported by ffmpeg at the time of last sync |
| [22:04:52] | venkelos: | o |
| [22:05:27] | gleed: | well if no one wants to help me, I guess I have nothing here to do, atm atleast.. cya |
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| [22:05:50] | iamlindoro_: | Internal is *much* nicer looking, uses the same OSD as live TV, has the nice myth OSD Menus, etc. |
| [22:06:53] | venkelos: | its all good, i dont care which they use as long as it is GPL, just thinking if i were to make the project id write about 1% of the code, and just use everyone else's tools :) |
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| [22:07:28] | A_: | is there a seperate channel for topics related to the mythtv wiki? Or perhaps an admin of said wiki in the channel? 4 hours later and I still have not gotten my confirmation email for the wiki. |
| [22:08:14] | iamlindoro_: | No separate room for the wiki, this is pretty much it |
| [22:08:42] | A_: | hmm, I'm curious if there is something borked with their mail daemon or if the error is on my end |
| [22:09:05] | iamlindoro_: | Couldn't tell you for sure without registering a second account, and I don't wanna do that :) |
| [22:09:51] | A_: | I wish there was another way to verify without having to rely upon such an unreliable medium as email |
| [22:09:59] | A_: | but such is life |
| [22:11:02] | A_: | while I'm in here, any recent developments regarding parental controls on different frontends? I want to keep certain "adult" theamed channels from showing up on the epg of a second frontend in my living room |
| [22:11:54] | A_: | I was thinking I could setup a favorites list of everything but the channels I don't want listed, but it seems like a bassackward way of doing it. |
| [22:12:46] | iamlindoro_: | I don't think there are any recent parental control changes |
| [22:13:25] | A_: | any thoughts on how I could do this that I might have missed reading docs/the wiki? |
| [22:13:26] | iamlindoro_: | You *can* make the channels invisible though |
| [22:13:41] | A_: | is that a change per frontend? |
| [22:13:52] | A_: | or per source? |
| [22:13:54] | iamlindoro_: | Mythweb Channel editor, toggle the "visible?" box for that channel |
| [22:14:37] | iamlindoro_: | It's per source |
| [22:14:53] | A_: | so they wouldn't show up on any epg's but they would still be manually tunable, right? |
| [22:15:25] | A_: | or am I not understanding the meaning implied by "invisable" |
| [22:15:29] | venkelos: | just have 'the talk' with yer kids |
| [22:15:31] | A_: | *invisable |
| [22:15:35] | venkelos: | then you dont have to worry about parent controls |
| [22:15:38] | A_: | actually I'm single |
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| [22:15:57] | A_: | I just would rather not have adult channels listed on any frontends I setup but the one in my room |
| [22:16:05] | venkelos: | lol |
| [22:16:22] | iamlindoro_: | I believe that's correct, it's not an option I usually use so I can't be sure |
| [22:16:51] | A_: | I'm sure it would come as no surprise that I've access to adult programming to anyone in my family, but I'd like to do them the kindness of not rubbing it in their faces |
| [22:16:56] | iamlindoro_: | venkelos: No no! Don't forget, violence is totally ok, but sex is Scarybadbad! |
| [22:17:12] | venkelos: | violent sex is the best |
| [22:17:17] | venkelos: | its by far the most adult |
| [22:17:30] | ** iamlindoro_ backs slowly away ** | |
| [22:17:34] | venkelos: | also if they are cursing while doing it |
| [22:17:50] | A_: | heh, well thanks for the ideas. I'll look into that once I get a second frontend setup |
| [22:18:00] | KjetilK: | MythDVD is confusing me right now, I'm trying to rip a DVD |
| [22:18:17] | venkelos: | i dont get why yer family would care about adult channels showing up, also why do you even subscribe to adult channels |
| [22:18:17] | KjetilK: | on mythbuntu gutsty, so 0.20 |
| [22:18:24] | venkelos: | welcome to the internet, best porn evar |
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| [22:18:45] | KjetilK: | I've got mtd running as mythtv user |
| [22:18:47] | Anduin: | KjetilK: just skip ahead to the problem |
| [22:19:10] | KjetilK: | the problem is that when I tel it to rip, nothing happens... |
| [22:19:39] | KjetilK: | I use the norwegian version, but it says something about "there is no job" |
| [22:19:41] | Anduin: | KjetilK: What shows up in the log (mtd.log in the mtd "temp" directory)? |
| [22:20:15] | KjetilK: | oh, there's something |
| [22:20:24] | KjetilK: | 23:12:49: bad destination directory in job request: job dvd 1 1 -1 1 -1 /var/lib/mythtv/video/Populärmusik Vittula |
| [22:20:29] | KjetilK: | (swedish movie) |
| [22:20:40] | A_: | venkelos: the same argument could be made for any pay tv service |
| [22:20:46] | Anduin: | Oh, you don't think we know Swedish movies?! |
| [22:20:57] | KjetilK: | hehe |
| [22:21:27] | Anduin: | KjetilK: and that directory exists? (and would let the user running mtd write there) |
| [22:21:28] | KjetilK: | hmmm, well, I don't have video, I have videos |
| [22:21:38] | venkelos: | nah hbo / showtime / etc are better than the internet cuz it is hard to find good movie services on the net |
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| [22:21:44] | venkelos: | but every other site on the net is a porn site it seems |
| [22:21:48] | ** KjetilK goes to change a setting ** | |
| [22:22:28] | venkelos: | maybe adult channels are HD now? cuz then i could understand it |
| [22:22:45] | A_: | that might be a mixed blessing |
| [22:23:09] | Anduin: | almost every time I look in this channel someone is talking about porn |
| [22:23:22] | A_: | welcome to the internet |
| [22:23:30] | A_: | founded on star trek and porn |
| [22:23:40] | venkelos: | Al Gore is one sick puppy |
| [22:24:17] | KjetilK: | Anduin: yup, there it goes! :-) |
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| [22:53:37] | psymin: | is anyone using a ps3 bluetooth DVD remote to control their myth box? |
| [22:55:17] | directhex: | psymin, excellent question! |
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| [22:56:47] | directhex: | psymin, http://antst.mine.nu/linuxdriverforsonybdremote |
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| [23:04:51] | noige: | greetings |
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| [23:06:46] | psymin: | thanks directhex |
| [23:08:01] | A_: | hmm the mythbuntu download page seems to be borked, anyone know of a mirror? |
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| [23:09:23] | A_: | nm, viewed the source and pulled out the direct link |
| [23:15:33] | noige: | hey guys |
| [23:16:20] | noige: | I noticed today that for some reason my channels (cartoon network and channel 55) are swapped after about a week, my programs are still marked correctly for recording though |
| [23:16:41] | noige: | this persisted after a mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates |
| [23:17:56] | noige: | clear |
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