| Monday, March 3rd, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:30] | strike: | i'm trying to get fullscreen dvds to playback at full speed dma is on and i get the issue playing from the hdd as well how do i find out what video driver to use for Intel 865 onboard video (currently using vesa) |
| [00:01:01] | iamlindoro_: | Holy runon sentence |
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| [00:01:52] | strike: | insert period here ^ |
| [00:01:57] | iamlindoro_: | If you're using vesa then that's your problem |
| [00:02:10] | strike: | i used vesa to get x going |
| [00:02:19] | iamlindoro_: | you will need a proper video driver (like the actual Intel driver) to get any sort of working playback out of myth |
| [00:02:51] | strike: | any suggestions? its a common chipset and looking for a procedure also |
| [00:02:53] | iamlindoro_: | strike: Well, next step is going to be getting the Intel Modules working with X... abandon hope of using myth until then |
| [00:03:19] | strike: | i can watch some divx if it is low enough quality |
| [00:03:21] | iamlindoro_: | google "$MYDISTRO Intel 865 driver howto" |
| [00:03:40] | strike: | have been cheers |
| [00:04:07] | iamlindoro_: | strike: I'm not being rude, it's just not a myth issue-- a myth prerequisite is having working, accelerated Xorg |
| [00:04:46] | iamlindoro_: | You might seek help in your distro's channel, or with google, but you can't possibly expect everyone here to simply know how to set up every chipset on every distro |
| [00:04:57] | iamlindoro_: | Especially when it has nothing to do with myth |
| [00:05:50] | strike: | im finding that out now its been days i've been having this problem |
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| [00:06:31] | strike: | by the way in testing i get perfect performance out of my laptop with the same external tuner and no 3d driver |
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| [00:06:35] | iamlindoro_: | http://intellinuxgraphics.org/user.html may be of some assistance |
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| [00:07:14] | strike: | and i did have 3d working on this machine when testing in ubuntu but it isnt working in knoppmyth |
| [00:07:15] | iamlindoro_: | strike: OK boss, if I'm going to get snide comments about it, I'm not that interested in helping-- if you don't think you need real graphics drivers and that vesa will work, then go to it |
| [00:07:32] | iamlindoro_: | best of luck |
| [00:08:02] | strike: | just trying to find a solution here |
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| [00:14:48] | iamlindoro_: | xris: when you have a sec-- Any known issues with current trunk nuvexport and myth? Am getting unrecognized stream type on some recordings whose prior episodes never had trouble in nuvexport |
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| [00:25:42] | Cackette: | hey iamlindoro_ |
| [00:25:48] | Cackette: | can you help me w/ my resolution |
| [00:25:54] | Cackette: | i cant get it to go higher than 1280x720 |
| [00:26:01] | Cackette: | when the TV is 1920x1080 |
| [00:27:11] | padrino__: | I'm trying to get the 0.20.2 backend package for OSX but the sniderpad.com has been down for quite some time, does anyone know where I might pull the package? |
| [00:27:25] | iamlindoro: | padrino__: I already answered you |
| [00:27:52] | iamlindoro: | Cackette: Xorg woes are not really my strength, a channel for your distro may be a better resource on that one |
| [00:27:53] | padrino__: | iamlindoro: keep getting disconnected thanks to Charter cable, must have missed it |
| [00:28:07] | iamlindoro: | iamlindoro_: You may be outta luck, may need to compile it-- I only ever saw one or two places that distributed Mac OS X Backend compiles |
| [00:28:08] | iamlindoro: | [3:49pm] iamlindoro_: Actually, that may have been the only place with *backend* packages precompiled for OS X |
| [00:28:08] | iamlindoro: | [3:50pm] iamlindoro_: Check the OS X build on the wiki's talk page, think there was a guy who may have been hosting some of his own |
| [00:28:08] | iamlindoro: | [3:50pm] iamlindoro_: yeah, the other guy is frontend only-- probably have to build it yourself |
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| [00:28:48] | padrino__: | iamlindoro: just looked back and saw it as well, thanks for confirming what I thought |
| [00:29:06] | iamlindoro: | padrino__: For what it's worth it's really not *too* painful to compile |
| [00:30:09] | padrino__: | iamlindoro: I didn't realize there was a packager script now, it's been a long time since I tried and it was an all night project |
| [00:30:09] | iamlindoro: | the osx_packager.pl does most of the work for you once you've got the prerequisites |
| [00:30:33] | iamlindoro: | yeah, it helps a lot |
| [00:31:00] | padrino__: | thanks again |
| [00:31:10] | iamlindoro: | no problem, sorry not to have a better answer, good luck |
| [00:31:41] | padrino__: | I see 0.21 is right around the corner so maybe this is an excuse to actively get back into playing with Myth |
| [00:31:54] | iamlindoro: | yup, due out extremely soon |
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| [00:36:20] | padrino__: | Since I haven't looked at the code for a whiel I want to throw this out and see what anyone's thoughts are.. I'm thinking about taking a look and adding the ability to use 5C to determine to use a backup tuner, I use firewire for everything I can but recently my cable company flipped on 5C for a ton of channels so things will just timeout now. |
| [00:38:26] | iamlindoro_: | padrino__: I think that sounds like a great idea |
| [00:39:08] | iamlindoro_: | Doesn't even really need to be able to see 5C (as, AFAIK myth doesn't see 5C, just a failed tune), but just needs the option to say "If tune fails on this input, fall back" |
| [00:39:09] | emacsen: | *sigh* iamlindoro – is the video management stuff in .21 better? |
| [00:39:29] | iamlindoro_: | emacsen: Guess you'd need to be more specific for me to tell you for sure |
| [00:39:42] | padrino__: | I was wondering if catching 5C would be quicker then waiting for a failed tune |
| [00:39:52] | emacsen: | iamlindoro, well I'd like to be able to, say, delete videos at the "See videos" screen |
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| [00:40:07] | emacsen: | or have a tivo-like popup at the end of a recording or video asking if I want to delete it |
| [00:40:23] | iamlindoro_: | padrino__: I don't think myth is going to be able to do that, but would be happy to be proven wrong |
| [00:40:42] | Cackette: | an mythtv play a .mkv file? |
| [00:40:53] | Cackette: | can* |
| [00:40:58] | iamlindoro_: | emacsen: There is a recording option to prompt to delete, I never use it, but it's present in .20.2 IIRC |
| [00:41:09] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: Yes, but much better in trunk than in any release version |
| [00:41:13] | padrino__: | I'm going to give it a look as I have time to see what I can come up with, I'll start by letting it fallback on a failed tune |
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| [00:41:53] | iamlindoro_: | padrino__: While you're at it, might as well use the fallback code so that it can apply to non-firewire inputs so that everyone can benefit |
| [00:41:56] | Cackette: | whats trunk, iamlindoro_ |
| [00:42:07] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: Current SVN development |
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| [00:42:13] | Cackette: | i have a 12.2GB .mkv video |
| [00:42:15] | padrino__: | no doubt, definitely makes it more valuable |
| [00:42:16] | Cackette: | it should work fine? |
| [00:42:30] | Cackette: | its still transferring, so i cant check yes |
| [00:42:31] | Cackette: | yet* |
| [00:42:59] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: Size is irrelevant, but yes, current trunk can play MKVs of any size-- whether your system can handle the bitrate/codecs is another matter |
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| [00:44:28] | ouaibe: | I'm having a problem reading videos with VLC, the playback is fine fullscreen and everything (configured in vlcrc) but once I stop the video or quit vlc (using "s") Mythtv doesn't seem to grab the control back, I only have an empty blackground of MythTV... Has anyone experienced that ? |
| [00:44:29] | Dibblah: | Depending on the mkv, Myth may be able to play it – But it probably won't be able to seek. |
| [00:44:40] | iamlindoro_: | One of the devs recently fixed MKV seeking, but I'm not sure whether it's been applied yet-- when/if it has Internal will play MKVs pretty flawlessly... Currently have his patch applied to my myth boxes and it plays MKVs perfectly |
| [00:44:48] | Dibblah: | It's not. |
| [00:44:55] | iamlindoro_: | Thar ya go |
| [00:44:55] | Dibblah: | (Committed) |
| [00:44:57] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [00:45:06] | rainman: | does anyone have movie time ignyte plugin working? |
| [00:45:12] | iamlindoro_: | Haven't looked at the revision log in a few days |
| [00:46:04] | iamlindoro_: | rainman: Have never had an issue with it, has always worked ok here |
| [00:46:24] | rainman: | ok it keeps crashing my frontned when i try to run it |
| [00:46:28] | rainman: | /usr/local/bin/ignyte: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| [00:46:29] | rainman: | 2008-03–02 18:42:38.193 Grabber Finished. Processing Data. |
| [00:46:29] | rainman: | 2008-03–02 18:42:38.193 Error parsing data from grabber: Error: error occurred while parsing element Location Line: 1 Column 1 |
| [00:46:47] | iamlindoro_: | Well, the first line is an X error, not a myth one |
| [00:47:10] | iamlindoro_: | Regarding the third, I guess I haven't used it in a few weeks, perhaps the format of the site it polls has changed |
| [00:47:14] | rainman: | ok guess i need to do some investigating then |
| [00:47:29] | iamlindoro_: | I think the first line is a non-issue IIRC |
| [00:47:37] | rainman: | im using 21 fixes so maybe its broke i thought |
| [00:48:04] | iamlindoro_: | Am running trunk myself, but haven't checked it-- stand by, will do so |
| [00:48:18] | rainman: | when i try to run ignyte from comand line it fails also |
| [00:49:02] | iamlindoro_: | OK, tested and working, so sounds like it might be a local problem |
| [00:49:24] | rainman: | ok i get this when i run in terminal |
| [00:49:27] | rainman: | ignyte --zip 65401 |
| [00:49:28] | rainman: | Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| [00:49:28] | rainman: | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><MovieTimes>g="utf-8"?><soa p:Envelope xmlns:soap="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema"> <soap:Body> <soap:Fault> <faultcode>soap:Client</faultcode> <faultstring>Server was unable to read request. --> There is an error in XML document (6, 26). --> Input string was not in a correct format |
| [00:49:29] | rainman: | .</faultstring> <detail /> </soap:Fault> </soap:Body></soap:Envelope></MovieTimes> |
| [00:50:57] | iamlindoro_: | really dunno-- my first and only guess is that it's running ignyte from your old install/another location or that some xml file its relying upon is from an older revision |
| [00:51:43] | rainman: | k thanks iamlindoro_ ill investigate some more |
| [00:51:48] | iamlindoro_: | good luck |
| [00:51:57] | rainman: | thanks |
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| [01:01:02] | iamlindoro_: | padrino__: FYI if you haven't tried yet, but it looks as though the osx-packager.pl runs flawlessly against today's SVN... I can't speak to the .20.2 version, but it really is a hands-free operation, I bet you'll succeed |
| [01:02:00] | iamlindoro_: | Heck, it even downloads all the dependency packages, can't ask for much more than that |
| [01:02:13] | Cackette: | woot, 1080p achieved |
| [01:05:02] | Justin__: | anyone know where i could fine a lircd.conf for an xbox media center extender remote? i can only find the xbox dvd remote control config. |
| [01:05:40] | iamlindoro_: | Justin__: If it's made my microsoft, there's a fair chance the "mceusb" remote defs will work for it |
| [01:05:46] | iamlindoro_: | er made by |
| [01:06:08] | Justin__: | hmm thats a good idea, i believe the remote may have been interchangable with the other mce remotes |
| [01:06:24] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote |
| [01:06:31] | Justin__: | thanks |
| [01:06:48] | iamlindoro_: | I say that because the MCE remotes and the xbox remote use the same remote codes, so if this is part of the same generation, it may as well |
| [01:07:33] | iamlindoro_: | and teh relevant (linked from that page) lircd.conf is here: http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=8048 |
| [01:08:51] | Justin__: | looks like they may be different, my first gen mce remote doesn't have the same effect |
| [01:09:25] | Justin__: | the xbox mce remote partially works with the xbox dvd conf |
| [01:10:33] | iamlindoro_: | in that case, you may have to use irrecord and generate your own (presuming you're not able to find defs) |
| [01:10:41] | iamlindoro_: | it's really not too painful though |
| [01:11:24] | iamlindoro_: | irrecord -d /dev/lircd myremote.conf |
| [01:11:35] | iamlindoro_: | more or less, tweak as necessary for your system |
| [01:11:56] | iamlindoro_: | then define all the buttons, and dump the contents of myremote.conf into lircd.conf |
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| [01:12:45] | rainman: | iamlindoro_ i ran mythtv with sudo instead of root and ignyte works perfect now guess ill stay away from root from now on |
| [01:13:13] | iamlindoro_: | rainman: hmm, that's odd, but sounds pretty fixable |
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| [01:14:16] | rainman: | new to linux but im thinking i need to set up my user groups a littlle better |
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| [01:14:43] | rainman: | but thanks for the nudge, i was lost |
| [01:15:07] | iamlindoro_: | no problem, glad you figured it out |
| [01:16:15] | Cackette: | UGH |
| [01:16:26] | Cackette: | i started playing transformers 1080p and its dropping frames |
| [01:16:39] | Cackette: | then a message popped up saying my frame drop rate is too high, your computer might be to slow |
| [01:16:51] | Cackette: | would this be the CPU's or video card's fault? |
| [01:16:56] | iamlindoro_: | CPU |
| [01:17:08] | Cackette: | damn |
| [01:17:10] | Cackette: | CPU is old |
| [01:17:13] | Cackette: | AMd 3000+ |
| [01:17:27] | emacsen: | that's not old |
| [01:17:28] | iamlindoro_: | since that Transformers *MKV* you *PIRATED* is likely h.264 and will require more horsepower than you've probably got |
| [01:17:44] | Cackette: | yeah |
| [01:17:52] | Cackette: | my main rig can play it |
| [01:17:58] | Cackette: | but its not hooked up to the TV |
| [01:18:21] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, that's nothing, that internet stuff is all reduced bitrate anyway, you should see good machines go up in flames on *real* 1080p content @ 40Mbit |
| [01:18:37] | Cackette: | what do you mean |
| [01:18:40] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: I must be in a good mood, because I'm going to help you |
| [01:18:43] | Cackette: | lol |
| [01:18:44] | Cackette: | ok |
| [01:19:03] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: First off, that Transformers Mkv is about 10 Mbit-- real Blu-ray/HD DVD stuff is up to *four times* that bitrate |
| [01:19:10] | Cackette: | ok |
| [01:19:13] | iamlindoro_: | It would make your machine cry like a little bitch |
| [01:19:20] | iamlindoro_: | BUT |
| [01:19:21] | Cackette: | i'd assume so |
| [01:19:26] | iamlindoro_: | since I appear to be in a decent mood |
| [01:19:42] | iamlindoro_: | I'll tell you that the best chance you've got is to add the following to your mplayer line: |
| [01:19:55] | Cackette: | actually, mplayer wouldnt play it |
| [01:19:58] | Cackette: | i had to open it in xine |
| [01:20:08] | iamlindoro_: | -lavdopts threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all |
| [01:20:19] | iamlindoro_: | In what way would mplayer not play it? |
| [01:20:55] | Justin__: | this is probably the lamest question ever, but i've only been using mythtv for a few days: how do i switch to a selected channel from the program guide? all i can do is setup a recording |
| [01:21:32] | iamlindoro_: | Justin__: Modify your TV settings-- you're looking at the default behavior, there is a tick box for "browse mode" or something of the like, that will do what you want it to |
| [01:21:47] | Justin__: | ahh thank you |
| [01:22:25] | iamlindoro_: | Setup->TV Settings->General I believe |
| [01:22:34] | iamlindoro_: | At least, that's what I think it is in .20.2 |
| [01:22:51] | Cackette: | wait, mplayer opened it now |
| [01:22:55] | iamlindoro_: | In trunk it's TV Settings->Program Guide Page 2 "Use select to change channel..." |
| [01:22:59] | Anduin: | Justin__: There is also the "use select to change the channel in the program guide" setting (it is close to that) |
| [01:23:05] | Cackette: | and it seems to be fine, without the line you said |
| [01:23:14] | Cackette: | should i add it anyways? |
| [01:23:24] | iamlindoro_: | If it plays smoothly, no need |
| [01:23:30] | Cackette: | what would that line do anyways? |
| [01:23:44] | iamlindoro_: | Use multiple threads, skip postprocessing |
| [01:23:48] | iamlindoro_: | PS, DON'T PIRATE MOVIES |
| [01:24:24] | Cackette: | multiple threads/ |
| [01:24:27] | Cackette: | whats that |
| [01:24:42] | iamlindoro_: | Google it, it's off topic |
| [01:24:48] | Cackette: | nvm then |
| [01:25:08] | iamlindoro_: | also, my goodwill in helping you play pirated material has passed ;) |
| [01:27:29] | iamlindoro_: | Gah, the first sunday of every month when my RAID array decides to check itself comes way too often |
| [01:28:19] | directhex: | mine's week;y |
| [01:28:23] | directhex: | daren't look at my inbox |
| [01:28:29] | directhex: | i get a per-% progress report |
| [01:28:33] | iamlindoro_: | Heh |
| [01:29:04] | iamlindoro_: | At least it's a Sunday, and I seldom have time to sit and watch MythVideo |
| [01:29:19] | iamlindoro_: | I probably ought to start it five or so hours sooner so that it would be done by afternoon, though |
| [01:29:27] | hads: | It's Monday :) |
| [01:29:43] | iamlindoro_: | All a matter of perspective (and geography) |
| [01:30:06] | iamlindoro_: | That chick from Transformers is smoking hot though |
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| [01:30:55] | Cackette: | hrmm, we have a problem here |
| [01:31:11] | Cackette: | the audio sync is way off |
| [01:31:14] | iamlindoro_: | Are you sure "we" do? |
| [01:31:16] | Cackette: | atleast a second |
| [01:31:28] | Cackette: | its not off if i play it on my main rig |
| [01:31:30] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Say your line to Cackette |
| [01:32:02] | iamlindoro_: | re: his 1080p *cough* "rip" on his Athlon 3000+ |
| [01:32:08] | directhex: | MOAR MHZ |
| [01:32:12] | Cackette: | lol |
| [01:32:14] | iamlindoro_: | YESSS |
| [01:32:45] | directhex: | MOAR! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, NOAR! |
| [01:32:57] | directhex: | gah! s/NOAR/MOAR/ |
| [01:33:10] | directhex: | my moargasm failed |
| [01:37:48] | iamlindoro_: | Ugh, what did I even do to the OpenGL renderer to make it hate me so much? |
| [01:37:52] | iamlindoro_: | er ever |
| [01:39:04] | iamlindoro_: | OK, check this--- Swapping to the OpenGL renderer works on everything the first time I use the internal player for something... but the second thing I try to play, no matter what, is always a black screen (with audio) |
| [01:39:19] | directhex: | let me try |
| [01:40:09] | directhex: | hm, you're right |
| [01:40:17] | iamlindoro_: | Mythtv definitely *thinks* it's playing, and it definitely is... but it doesn't appear to init the surface after the first time |
| [01:41:03] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Well that's a relief at least, glad it's not just me |
| [01:42:29] | directhex: | crashes the third time here |
| [01:42:33] | directhex: | wonder if it's repeatable |
| [01:42:44] | iamlindoro_: | I can repeat it every single time over here |
| [01:42:55] | iamlindoro_: | oh, haven't tested crashing, though |
| [01:43:04] | iamlindoro_: | usually give up and go back to xv-blit at that point |
| [01:43:39] | directhex: | :( |
| [01:43:45] | directhex: | but the gl renderer looks so good! |
| [01:43:45] | Anduin: | I think Daniel said it has known issues... could be confusing it with something else. |
| [01:43:57] | Cackette: | ugh, the audio sync fails |
| [01:44:15] | iamlindoro_: | No doubt, the OpenGL renderer looks fantastic |
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| [01:52:41] | Cackette: | iamlindoro_ |
| [01:52:42] | Cackette: | halp |
| [01:53:07] | iamlindoro_: | The audio sync fails because your system is toooooo slooooow, Cackette... we weren't joking about the MOAR MHZ thing |
| [01:53:09] | Cackette: | all of a sudden when i try to playback a recorded video, it starts, but the screen is a bunch of green/purple |
| [01:53:27] | iamlindoro_: | That's an nvidia driver bug-- update to a newer one or roll back to an older one |
| [01:53:37] | Cackette: | ugh |
| [01:53:47] | Cackette: | it was working before, w/ these same drivers |
| [01:54:03] | iamlindoro_: | I just work here |
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| [01:54:35] | ** directhex smells nvidia 100.x ** | |
| [01:56:02] | ** iamlindoro_ goes back to categorizing his porno in MythVideo ** | |
| [01:58:46] | clever[rev]: | lol |
| [01:58:46] | imperfect-: | bah! |
| [01:58:53] | imperfect-: | my mythbox just exploded |
| [01:59:13] | emacsen: | iamlindoro, thanks for your help |
| [01:59:19] | imperfect-: | http://pastebin.com/m67adc9b1 |
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| [01:59:27] | imperfect-: | Anyone know what need to do to fix that? |
| [01:59:32] | ** iamlindoro_ scrolls back to see how he helped ** | |
| [02:00:03] | iamlindoro_: | ewww, imperfect, did your system just do a kernel update or something? |
| [02:00:14] | imperfect-: | Yeah I dunno |
| [02:00:15] | imperfect-: | I dont tink so |
| [02:00:17] | iamlindoro_: | or do you allow auto-updates or did you do updates of any kind? |
| [02:00:27] | imperfect-: | Well I did do update/upgrade |
| [02:00:32] | imperfect-: | What do I need to recompile |
| [02:00:46] | iamlindoro_: | I don't know, but that's what did it :) |
| [02:00:57] | imperfect-: | hehe |
| [02:02:24] | iamlindoro_: | recompiling ivtv is probably a safe bet |
| [02:05:15] | imperfect-: | No ideas? |
| [02:05:22] | imperfect-: | I dunno even tho that I compiled it |
| [02:05:25] | imperfect-: | it's been so long agin |
| [02:05:32] | iamlindoro_: | other than recompiling ivtv against your new kernel? No |
| [02:06:19] | imperfect-: | well |
| [02:06:24] | imperfect-: | It apears to be in the kernel tree now |
| [02:06:25] | iamlindoro_: | Not that ivtv shouldn't be a part of a reasonably recent kernel |
| [02:06:47] | robbins876_: | anyone experiencing problems with getting myth video to properly pull down movie posters from IMDB? |
| [02:06:53] | iamlindoro_: | possible that you're dealing with an incompatible firmware, might want to look into that |
| [02:07:15] | iamlindoro_: | in fact, that's a fairly good possibility |
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| [02:07:27] | imperfect-: | Hrm. |
| [02:07:37] | iamlindoro_: | the ivtv page has info on where to pull down the newest |
| [02:08:28] | imperfect-: | Yeah |
| [02:08:45] | imperfect-: | I got one of those pinnancle ATSC air USB sticks |
| [02:08:51] | imperfect-: | and the world exploded |
| [02:08:52] | imperfect-: | ;) |
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| [02:20:14] | robbins876_: | Hmm...looks like it's downloading movie posters that are 16x16 pixels... |
| [02:22:26] | robbins876_: | how do i install the head version of imdb.pl? |
| [02:22:39] | robbins876_: | nevermind |
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| [02:26:36] | robbins876_: | man, what the h...why doesn't it download the posters? |
| [02:27:07] | Anduin: | robbins876_: want to give a title to compare? |
| [02:27:19] | robbins876_: | uhh...dances with wolves |
| [02:27:21] | robbins876_: | dan in real life |
| [02:27:23] | robbins876_: | bee movie |
| [02:27:32] | robbins876_: | no, that one works |
| [02:27:36] | robbins876_: | assassination of jesse james |
| [02:27:42] | Anduin: | Yeah, just one is fine |
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| [02:27:49] | qbit: | hello |
| [02:29:20] | Anduin: | robbins876_: So when you run imdb.pl -P 0099348 does it return the impawards url? |
| [02:29:43] | qbit: | i have a quick question about upnp.. i am on debian stable.. using the deb-multimedia stuff – i have frontend / backend installed but upnp doesn't seem to be working |
| [02:29:52] | qbit: | is there a place to enable it ? |
| [02:30:14] | Anduin: | qbit: It only turns off |
| [02:30:19] | qbit: | ah |
| [02:30:20] | qbit: | ok |
| [02:30:27] | qbit: | any troubleshooting tips? |
| [02:31:12] | qbit: | i run mediatomb off the same box .. and my ps3 can see it fine |
| [02:31:13] | robbins876_: | [root@localhost scripts]# imdb.pl -P 0099348 |
| [02:31:13] | robbins876_: | bash: imdb.pl: command not found |
| [02:31:20] | robbins876_: | what the crap is that all about? |
| [02:31:33] | qbit: | robbins876_, imdb.pl is not in your path |
| [02:31:36] | iamlindoro_: | the fact that you didn't precede it with a ./ |
| [02:31:40] | robbins876_: | i'm in the directory |
| [02:31:43] | Anduin: | robbins876_: It is installed deep in prefix/share/blah |
| [02:31:48] | qbit: | put ./ in your path |
| [02:31:58] | qbit: | would be just "." |
| [02:32:09] | qbit: | export PATH=$PATH:. |
| [02:32:21] | robbins876_: | thanks |
| [02:32:23] | iamlindoro_: | or just type ./imdb.pl -P blah blah blah for right now |
| [02:32:26] | qbit: | ya |
| [02:32:35] | robbins876_: | Anduin, it returns this URL |
| [02:32:38] | robbins876_: | http://www.impawards.com/1990/posters/dances_ . . . ves_ver2.jpg |
| [02:33:03] | robbins876_: | so apparently that's working |
| [02:33:04] | Anduin: | robbins876_: Yeah, which is a fine image |
| [02:33:39] | Anduin: | robbins876_: It will not download it "again", so if you have a cover and only search without a reset... well if never actually calls the imdb.pl script. |
| [02:33:43] | qbit: | mmm |
| [02:33:44] | qbit: | is |
| [02:33:51] | qbit: | costner ftw |
| [02:33:52] | robbins876_: | so i need to reset metadata? |
| [02:34:08] | Anduin: | robbins876_: If you have data, yes. |
| [02:34:28] | robbins876_: | alright |
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| [02:34:36] | robbins876_: | i wonder why so many covers didn't download |
| [02:34:40] | robbins876_: | hopefully this fixes it |
| [02:35:18] | imperfect-: | man |
| [02:35:28] | imperfect-: | my ubuntu box is all sorts of fux0red |
| [02:35:32] | imperfect-: | I'd love what to know what happene |
| [02:36:07] | robbins876_: | Anduin, nope, still nothing. |
| [02:36:30] | Anduin: | robbins876_: And it can write to your valid artwork directory? |
| [02:37:41] | robbins876_: | i believe it has write properties |
| [02:37:55] | Anduin: | robbins876_: Works here, and I can assure you Dances with Wolves wasn't already in my poster collection. |
| [02:38:57] | robbins876_: | hah |
| [02:39:11] | robbins876_: | i don't get it |
| [02:39:16] | robbins876_: | it worked fine before |
| [02:39:21] | robbins876_: | and all of the sudden it quit wokring |
| [02:39:29] | robbins876_: | much like things usually do |
| [02:39:41] | robbins876_: | i just chmod'd the directory to be sure |
| [02:39:43] | robbins876_: | but still nothing |
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| [02:40:08] | robbins876_: | it puts the file in my /store/posters directory, but it has no image |
| [02:40:29] | robbins876_: | think i should try it from the backend? |
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| [02:41:44] | Anduin: | robbins876_: or look at the log |
| [02:42:07] | robbins876_: | what log? |
| [02:42:16] | qbit: | so... anyone else have any ideas about the upnp stuff? |
| [02:42:17] | qbit: | :D |
| [02:42:24] | Anduin: | robbins876_: The frontend log, if outputs something on every poster download. |
| [02:42:31] | qbit: | robbins876_: /var/log/mythtv? |
| [02:42:38] | Cackette: | so, iamlindoro_, how do i rollback the nvidia driver |
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| [02:43:28] | squish102: | qbit, mythtv's upnp didn't work very well with my media extender. i now use ushare |
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| [02:44:17] | qbit: | cool, any issues with it presenting meta data or anything like that ? |
| [02:45:26] | squish102: | mythtv or ushare? |
| [02:45:32] | robbins876_: | i'm not showing anything in my mythbackend.log |
| [02:45:38] | qbit: | ushare |
| [02:46:00] | squish102: | mine worked out the box and never had a problem since |
| [02:46:05] | qbit: | cool |
| [02:46:14] | squish102: | i use the webpage to rescan the dirs, or add new dirs |
| [02:46:32] | Anduin: | robbins876_: The frontend log |
| [02:46:44] | robbins876_: | oh, i don't have one in /var/log/mythtv |
| [02:46:51] | robbins876_: | just a backend log |
| [02:46:57] | qbit: | cool, my only fear with using mediatomb is that it will just display the file name .. |
| [02:48:17] | squish102: | my media extender, dlink dsm-320 only displays the filename. i use meaningful filenames |
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| [02:48:28] | squish102: | and mythrename.pl |
| [02:48:45] | qbit: | meaningful filenames for recorded content ? |
| [02:48:47] | qbit: | or videos |
| [02:48:52] | squish102: | both |
| [02:49:24] | robbins876_: | Anduin, any reason why it woulnd't be in there? |
| [02:50:49] | qbit: | does mythrename handle the recorded stuff? or do you do it by hand? |
| [02:50:50] | robbins876_: | maybe i don't have logging enabled? |
| [02:50:57] | Anduin: | robbins876_: No clue, it depends on your packager |
| [02:51:03] | robbins876_: | yum |
| [02:51:07] | Anduin: | atrpms |
| [02:51:11] | robbins876_: | yep |
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| [03:17:02] | GreyFoxx: | squish102: If you are still around, try your dsm with todays svn |
| [03:17:18] | GreyFoxx: | cdev made some changes, and tested with his dsm-520(or 510?) and it's working for him |
| [03:17:22] | greend139: | Hi everyone, i'm having an issue with ac3 passthrough since upgrading to .21-fixes. With default settings on the new upmixing settings, and using a passthrough device i get a jittery sound on recordings with ac3 tracks. It also gives me problems when using the ALSA:spdif device for regular 2 channel outputs, i get audio that sounds like I am fast forwarding, and the video to follow it. should i file a ticket for this? |
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| [03:41:53] | aragorn101: | anyone know if the firewire support is still limited to only the DCT6200 and the SA3250? |
| [03:42:50] | iamlindoro: | nope, plenty of other boxes supported, as well as a "generic" setting |
| [03:43:28] | aragorn101: | is there an updated list somewhere? |
| [03:44:25] | iamlindoro: | firewiredevice.cpp in the source code lists them |
| [03:44:55] | aragorn101: | got a web link to the source close at hand? |
| [03:45:05] | iamlindoro: | svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser |
| [03:45:55] | iamlindoro: | specifically the DCH-3200, 3413, 3416, 6200, 6212, 6216, SA 3250, 4200, 4250, and Generic... |
| [03:48:28] | aragorn101: | thanks... |
| [03:48:34] | aragorn101: | any idea how well generic works? |
| [03:48:52] | aragorn101: | (i'd like to try it out with a SA 8300-HD...) |
| [03:48:52] | iamlindoro: | no idea |
| [03:49:13] | aragorn101: | my cable co isn't exactly a free access type... :P |
| [03:50:31] | aragorn101: | k.. thx.. |
| [03:51:38] | iamlindoro: | good luck though |
| [03:52:41] | aragorn101: | i'm guessing it's not that trivial to RE and add support? |
| [03:53:33] | iamlindoro: | I really am not sure-- I imagine in the grand scheme of things that it is fairly trivial to modify one of the other SA boxes to support your box... that is, if they don't work already |
| [04:02:35] | robbins876_: | Anduin, can i run imdb.pl from terminal? |
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| [04:02:56] | iamlindoro: | I'm not Anduin, but yes, you can |
| [04:03:18] | iamlindoro: | Just can't do anything w/ the data from outside of myth (without writing your own database insertion, anyway) |
| [04:04:16] | robbins876_: | i hate the fact that it never works hte way i want it |
| [04:04:22] | robbins876_: | imdb.pl that is |
| [04:17:35] | Deek: | Is there any way to do the equivalent of transcode's ivtc/decimate with straight mythtranscode? |
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| [04:21:40] | Deek: | (want to resize a 1080i movie and get progressive playback out of it too, while still keeping it as a recording — don't want it to be a video) |
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| [04:44:55] | nemik: | hi. on all my movies the music is MUCH louder than the voices. is there a way to fix that without normalizing the entire audio track? |
| [04:46:00] | robbins876: | alright, something is fubar on my mysql for myth |
| [04:46:11] | robbins876: | i need to back it up from one computer and then reload it on another, how do i do that? |
| [04:46:50] | hads: | mysqldump |
| [04:46:57] | robbins876: | mythconverg? |
| [04:48:57] | robbins876: | because on my backend, i'm not showing movies that shoudl be there |
| [04:49:12] | robbins876: | and i think it's because i loaded them up improperly with a remote frontend |
| [04:49:29] | robbins876: | but they show up on the frontends |
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| [04:50:17] | nemik: | is anyone else having problems in movies where voices are much softer than the music? |
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| [05:34:17] | CCFL_Man2: | anyone know what fec encoding is used with in the clear qam channels? |
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| [05:59:56] | venkelos: | so last night i had mythtv at least picking up a couple channels, but now when i run the channel scan from mythtv-setup i get 'Timeout Scanning QAM-256 Channel XX – no tables" anyone know why that might be? |
| [06:00:48] | venkelos: | i did move the pcHDTV 5500 pci card to a different pci slot, but i cannot think of any other changes i made to the system |
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| [08:56:48] | daedalus_: | I've done some googling and informed poking about and can't seem to figure out how one re-labels a show that was incorrectly identified when recorded. |
| [08:57:05] | clever[rev]_: | hit right arrow |
| [08:57:08] | clever[rev]_: | recording something |
| [08:57:09] | clever[rev]_: | edit |
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| [08:57:45] | daedalus_: | Its already been recorded. |
| [08:58:03] | clever[rev]_: | go into the recording list |
| [08:58:06] | clever[rev]_: | select it |
| [08:58:10] | clever[rev]_: | right arrow |
| [08:58:16] | clever[rev]_: | recording options |
| [08:58:22] | clever[rev]_: | change recording title |
| [08:58:30] | daedalus_: | Aha |
| [08:58:41] | daedalus_: | Many thanks |
| [08:58:56] | clever[rev]_: | :) |
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| [11:00:40] | DGnome: | How should I debug playback related problems that result in "NVP: prebuffering pause" messages? |
| [11:02:30] | DGnome: | H.264 video if it's of any relevance... |
| [11:02:40] | directhex|work: | DGnome, mkv container? |
| [11:03:04] | DGnome: | directhex|work: nope, it's a transport stream |
| [11:05:38] | DGnome: | hmm |
| [11:06:00] | DGnome: | I just realised that the file is played over usbfs |
| [11:06:13] | DGnome: | have to try copying it over to a hdd |
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| [11:20:34] | DGnome: | okay, USB is not the "handbrake" |
| [11:22:31] | DGnome: | mplayer plays the file without any problems |
| [11:23:01] | DGnome: | Decoding might be a bit slow... |
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| [11:23:30] | DGnome: | that would explain it but usually the image disappears when that happens with other software |
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| [12:19:41] | joobie: | guys quick Q |
| [12:19:49] | joobie: | i downloaded an AVI and want to make it viewableon my myth |
| [12:20:01] | joobie: | what dir do i need to put it in.. or how do i import it to myth? |
| [12:20:56] | hnitsuj: | you need to put it in whatever dir(s) you configured mythvideo to work with |
| [12:21:13] | joobie: | just copy it there? |
| [12:21:56] | hnitsuj: | putting a file somewhere generally involved copying or moving it |
| [12:23:31] | joobie: | you remind me of the geek poofters at school who had a pole up their ass.. i just got a flashback |
| [12:23:36] | hnitsuj: | and depending on whether or not mythvideo is set to use metadata or not, you might have to scan the directory for the new file(s) to be picked up |
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| [12:25:01] | hnitsuj: | joobie: what other kind of obvious statement did you expect? |
| [12:26:24] | hnitsuj: | and if you're the kind of person to resort to peurile insults like that I'd guess you weren't worthy of any kind of help – now or in the future so be careful |
| [12:26:55] | joobie: | remove the pole from your ass |
| [12:26:56] | joobie: | im out. |
| [12:27:10] | hnitsuj: | yeah thanks for all the help, etc |
| [12:27:30] | hnitsuj: | and to you, thanks for being a valuable member of the community |
| [12:27:39] | directhex|work: | "how do i copy file" isn't going to get you much assistance in ANY computing areas |
| [12:28:09] | Dagmar: | Don't come back real soon now, y'hear? |
| [12:28:19] | hnitsuj: | cp someguywithmymother.avi /videos/pr0n/video.avi |
| [12:28:23] | Dagmar: | What a jackass |
| [12:28:24] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, funny how the "geek poofters" are married, hmm? |
| [12:29:16] | hnitsuj: | tragic, I'd say |
| [12:29:38] | hnitsuj: | my poor wife will be devastated when she learns I've been living a lie |
| [12:29:44] | Dagmar: | It lets you know the mental age of the writer every time you see a comment about it tho |
| [12:29:49] | directhex|work: | yeah, mine too. shall we run away together? |
| [12:30:00] | hnitsuj: | directhex|work: best to book a room first |
| [12:30:13] | Dagmar: | When someone says "poofter" or "fag" like that, you can tell they're about 13 years old |
| [12:30:35] | directhex|work: | Dagmar, or use xbox live. which often means the same thing |
| [12:32:14] | hnitsuj: | is it that bad there too? oof |
| [12:32:15] | Dagmar: | I'm still trying to sort out these graphs on the disk failure report |
| [12:32:24] | Dagmar: | Now I see why they didn't attempt to draw a conclusion from them |
| [12:32:47] | Dagmar: | In case you're wondering whta I'm talking about, http://www.usenix.org/events/fast08/tech/full . . . l/index.html |
| [12:33:05] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6alOnuN-wCY |
| [12:33:09] | hnitsuj: | I tried playing some sort of online game effort a while back. just kids going round shouting 'noob!' in a scouse accent while cheat-fragging everybody. |
| [12:34:13] | directhex|work: | Dagmar, "disks fail at random, life sucks"? |
| [12:34:34] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [12:34:46] | hnitsuj: | directhex|work: heh. if only their mothers could hear them |
| [12:35:12] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, often they do! just remember the parent mantra: videogames are for kids |
| [12:35:19] | hnitsuj: | I take it they DO still live with their parents ;) |
| [12:35:34] | Dagmar: | I would fuckin' love to know who makes models E-2, g-2, and o-1 on the graphs in section 4.1.2 tho |
| [12:36:11] | Dagmar: | Okay, well, I'd never be buying g-2 or o-1 personally, but I've a suspicion who E-2 is |
| [12:36:31] | directhex|work: | dagar, and you suspect...? |
| [12:36:50] | Dagmar: | directhex: The point is that basically, with the information from this report, you can rather accurately predict how much you're going to be spending on replacing disks |
| [12:36:56] | hnitsuj: | jesus I know where to look next time I can't sleep |
| [12:37:13] | Dagmar: | directhex: Either Western Digital or Seagate |
| [12:37:13] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, turkmenistan? |
| [12:37:38] | directhex|work: | dagar, y'think? odd, most so-so reliability reports i've heard lately are maxtor |
| [12:37:39] | hnitsuj: | directhex|work: nah reading that report |
| [12:38:07] | Dagmar: | directhex: Perhaps you misread. C-1 and E-1 from Figure 2 are probably both Maxtor |
| [12:38:52] | hnitsuj: | and as far as HDD failures go, we use a lot of them at work – and according to all our stats we get lower than manufacturers' quoted stats for failures by a good margin |
| [12:39:29] | directhex|work: | anyway, we don't spend money on replacement disks – that's what server warranties are for |
| [12:39:43] | Dagmar: | Whoever E-2 is doing something so right that I want to _buy their stock_ |
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| [12:41:32] | directhex|work: | samsung! |
| [12:42:04] | Dagmar: | See, this is the part where I'm getting the idea to sniff around places maybe I shouldn't |
| [12:42:17] | Dagmar: | Note that NL is the "weighted average" |
| [12:42:39] | Dagmar: | ...which is very close to the failure model for E-2 |
| [12:42:43] | Dagmar: | This lets you know two things. |
| [12:43:06] | Dagmar: | 1. That NetApp is buying most of their nearline drives from a manufacturer they've statistically seen to be making reliable disks |
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| [12:44:16] | Dagmar: | 2. (Somewhat obvious) E-2 and A-1 are probably using damn near teh same chassis |
| [12:45:05] | Dagmar: | We have some NetApp stuff at work. I'm seriously tempted to go pester the guys responsible for them about what manuf made most of the drives in them |
| [12:45:12] | directhex|work: | well, then it's settled. e2 are hitachi, a1 are excelstor :) |
| [12:45:41] | Dagmar: | C-1 and E-1 are likely Quantum |
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| [12:47:10] | directhex|work: | quantum? christ, how old is the data? |
| [12:47:44] | hnitsuj: | for the average user though, just take it as read that disks are gonna fail whenever, whatever. don't take any chances |
| [12:47:45] | Dagmar: | Remember, Seagate bought them |
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| [12:47:55] | DGnome: | My H.264 problem was due to mythtv detecting the video as interlaced ( did not appear interlaced to me even if i disabled deinterlacing) and the result was that there were not enough CPU cycles for the task. Is it common that MythTV miss-detects video scan? |
| [12:48:30] | Dagmar: | They're still making disks, just with a Seagate label on them now. |
| [12:48:38] | Dagmar: | Like that's going to help |
| [12:48:39] | hnitsuj: | DGnome: pretty common. I see it misdetect recordings from some channels, even mid-show |
| [12:49:04] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: what video codec? |
| [12:49:04] | hnitsuj: | even when it should know that everything I record is interlaced |
| [12:49:05] | Dagmar: | "Observation 5" on there is a big load off my mind |
| [12:49:13] | hnitsuj: | DGnome: mpeg2 |
| [12:49:21] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: SVN? |
| [12:49:24] | Dagmar: | "There is no clear indication that workload affects the probability of checksum mismatches" |
| [12:49:42] | hnitsuj: | DGnome: the scan type detection is part of the playtback code & shouldn't be codec dependent |
| [12:49:42] | Dagmar: | Basically saying, 'run the drive as hard as you like, it's not going to affect when it fails' |
| [12:50:02] | hnitsuj: | DGnome: the scan type detection hasn't changed from then to now AFAIK |
| [12:50:20] | hnitsuj: | but no, I don't run trunk at home. what am I – mad? |
| [12:50:31] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: I've never seen mythtv missdetect video scan on SDTV broadcasts here in .fi |
| [12:50:48] | Dagmar: | Observation 6 lets you know that if your drive has more than say 6 errors pop up, you can be sure it's about to go into "complete meltdown" on you |
| [12:51:00] | hnitsuj: | DGnome: bet your broadcasters aren't penny pinching bastards like those in the UK though ;) |
| [12:51:29] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: not to brag or anything but, they do stretch the pennies an awful lot |
| [12:51:33] | hnitsuj: | they flip between interlace & progressive encoding to save on bandwidth or something – but all looks fine when deinterlaced |
| [12:51:54] | hnitsuj: | doesn't look fine when myth stops deinterlacing though |
| [12:52:18] | hnitsuj: | tempted to put a setting in there to force it without needing to change it manually every time |
| [12:52:30] | DGnome: | the content at hand is a capture from BBC HD that caused this problem for me |
| [12:52:31] | hnitsuj: | or just detect the start of the show since I don't give a shite about livetv |
| [12:52:48] | clever[rev]: | /j #mplayer |
| [12:52:49] | hnitsuj: | DGnome: it's not progressive then |
| [12:53:16] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: not seeing any interlacing-stripes though |
| [12:53:29] | DGnome: | but the fields may contain the same frame |
| [12:53:32] | hnitsuj: | DGnome: proves deinterlacing works then :) |
| [12:53:47] | hnitsuj: | ffmpeg -i on the file |
| [12:53:47] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: same image on and off |
| [12:53:57] | DGnome: | brb |
| [12:54:04] | hnitsuj: | moer than likely it'll be 1080i |
| [12:55:12] | DGnome: | hnitsuj: no interlacing mentioned there |
| [12:55:56] | DGnome: | Stream #0.0[0x5de]: Video: h264, yuv420p, 1440x1080, 25.00 fps(r) |
| [12:56:09] | hnitsuj: | BBC HD is _now_ 1080i h.264 – it might have had the occasional spell at other resolutions during the trials |
| [12:56:31] | DGnome: | I'll soon have another capture to fiddle around with |
| [12:57:45] | hnitsuj: | ffs mythtvnews.com are reporting something as news that isn't again |
| [12:58:06] | hnitsuj: | 4:3 content autozooming. it ain't a feature til the code is committed damnit |
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| [13:18:23] | hnitsuj: | one for the feature requests page: http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/ima . . . 30349272.jpg |
| [13:19:24] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, stick it at the top of the wiki page! |
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| [13:36:01] | DGnome: | :D |
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| [13:36:47] | ** DGnome needs a quadcore cpu or two ** | |
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| [13:41:48] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, my epia review's gone live. http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=11976 |
| [13:52:22] | coolmcgrrr: | i have a problem where i can browse the menues in mythtv just fine, but when i try to change something that is not done via space or enter (eg entering a string) nothing happens when i start a movie i cant stop it. I have no idea what is causing this, can someone point me in a direction here? thx alot in advance |
| [13:54:38] | directhex|work: | coolmcgrrr, which window manager are you using? |
| [13:55:36] | hnitsuj: | directhex|work: scathing, yet not scathing .. doesn't leave any room for misunderstanding though ;) |
| [13:55:36] | coolmcgrrr: | directhex|work: i think its evilwm |
| [13:56:26] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, it's been softened a little by editorial, but the general message of fail remains |
| [13:57:02] | directhex|work: | coolmcgrrr, are you sure? if you're using mplayer for playback via mythvideo, lack of proper WM can cause focus issues with the spawned mplayer window |
| [13:57:58] | quicksilver: | directhex|work: shame though. |
| [13:58:15] | ** quicksilver is still on the lookout for cheap ways to build a lowend 2nd frontend. ** | |
| [13:58:23] | hnitsuj: | epia is never cheap |
| [13:58:40] | directhex|work: | quicksilver, intel dlygwhateveritis. 55 quid, sis chipset, 1.2ghz intel cpu |
| [13:58:53] | hnitsuj: | quicksilver: core2 duo mobile 1.83 mobo, cpu & ram under £110 |
| [13:58:53] | directhex|work: | better than any damn epia, even if it is still bullshit & chips |
| [13:59:27] | quicksilver: | what form factor is that? |
| [13:59:37] | hnitsuj: | quicksilver: atx-ish |
| [13:59:50] | quicksilver: | hmm. |
| [13:59:57] | quicksilver: | hoping for somethign smaller, to be honest. |
| [13:59:59] | directhex|work: | quicksilver, my example is mini-itx |
| [14:00:18] | coolmcgrrr: | directhex|work: im pretty sure, my .xinitrc starts /usr/bin/evilwm |
| [14:00:26] | hnitsuj: | hell a 2nd hand modded xbox running XBMC is about a thousand times more capable than any EPIA junk |
| [14:00:40] | hnitsuj: | quicksilver: get reddy for de hud ;) |
| [14:00:52] | directhex|work: | yes! except there's no xbmcmythtv for 0.21 yet :'( |
| [14:01:08] | directhex|work: | coolmcgrrr, try a proper WM or using the Internal player |
| [14:01:09] | otwin: | and you have to be blind and deaf... |
| [14:01:16] | hnitsuj: | you can't get many decent boxes for mini-itx anyway – they all look gash besides that |
| [14:01:53] | directhex|work: | well, yes. |
| [14:01:54] | quicksilver: | doesn't have to be absolutely stunning. |
| [14:01:58] | quicksilver: | small and neat would do. |
| [14:01:59] | directhex|work: | one two three, mac mee nee! |
| [14:02:12] | quicksilver: | yeah, I'm seriously tempted to go the mac mini way. |
| [14:02:40] | hnitsuj: | oh yeah now I remember I had 2 brand new mac minis still in boxes in the boot of my car |
| [14:02:59] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, they found a burn out shell yet? |
| [14:03:02] | coolmcgrrr: | directhex|work: can you give me some examples of proper wm's? do you mean like kwin or what? |
| [14:03:04] | hnitsuj: | funny how these things come flooding back |
| [14:03:24] | hnitsuj: | directhex|work: nah not yet. no matter cos the insurance co still haven't mailed out all the forms :-\ |
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| [14:03:56] | directhex|work: | coolmcgrrr, openbox and xfwm4 are popular choices, since both seem to handle focus properly |
| [14:04:26] | hnitsuj: | they made a damn good job of making me feel like the guilty party on saturday though, something about me not hiding the keys up my arse or something |
| [14:04:44] | directhex|work: | where were the keys? |
| [14:04:55] | coolmcgrrr: | directhex|work: thanks alot ill give it a spin |
| [14:05:05] | hnitsuj: | in my coat, hanging on the bannister |
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| [14:05:31] | quicksilver: | god, they really are ugly, aren't they? |
| [14:05:37] | quicksilver: | (mini-itx case) |
| [14:06:27] | quicksilver: | maybe this one is bland enough to be ok |
| [14:06:27] | quicksilver: | http://www.itx-warehouse.co.uk/Product.aspx?ProductID=88 |
| [14:06:44] | hnitsuj: | fitted a lock to the computer room door yesterday & it's already a big ballache to have to lock/unlock it – but – good idea to keep the cctv recorder out of harm's way |
| [14:06:50] | directhex|work: | quicksilver, plasticfantastic |
| [14:07:22] | hnitsuj: | says it's metal there |
| [14:07:53] | directhex|work: | http://mini-itx.com/store/?c=3#media ? |
| [14:08:10] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, if that fascia is metal i'll eat my fork |
| [14:08:30] | hnitsuj: | I find cases that slim puzzling though – say you get a mini-itx board, shove a C2D in it – where does the heat go? |
| [14:08:39] | quicksilver: | I don't *think* I care about plastic versus metal. |
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| [14:08:44] | hnitsuj: | i.e. they're no effing use ;) |
| [14:09:16] | quicksilver: | I just want it to look unobtrusive above/below an old plastic black TV |
| [14:09:30] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, crossflw fans! |
| [14:09:38] | hnitsuj: | directhex|work: wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| [14:09:41] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, also, consider how little heat there is on some of these chips anyway |
| [14:09:57] | quicksilver: | needs a window put put an IR sensor bhind. |
| [14:09:59] | hnitsuj: | directhex|work: my almost fanless frontend gets pretty warm |
| [14:10:08] | hnitsuj: | quicksilver: roflmao! you'll be lucky! |
| [14:10:45] | directhex|work: | feel free to comment on http://forums.hexus.net/hexus-right2reply/132 . . . ew-post.html if y'all want to ensure i get more kit to pass through the linux wringer |
| [14:11:02] | hnitsuj: | my requirements are – IR window on the front, no ugly ports on the front (side is fine). NO UGLY PORTS ON THE FRONT (for emphasis)... I've yet to find such a beast |
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| [14:11:40] | hnitsuj: | oh aye – and no ports on the front panel uglying it up |
| [14:11:53] | quicksilver: | I don't think ports on the front would be a showstopper for me. |
| [14:11:59] | quicksilver: | lack of IR window would be though. |
| [14:12:34] | hnitsuj: | front ports are _fine_ if hidden behind a flap |
| [14:12:42] | hnitsuj: | they so seldom are though |
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| [14:13:39] | hnitsuj: | http://mini-itx.com/store/?c=44 – looks quite ok |
| [14:14:07] | directhex|work: | http://silverstonetek.com/products/p_spec.php . . . amp;area=usa |
| [14:14:17] | directhex|work: | no front ports. ir/lcd. done. |
| [14:14:41] | quicksilver: | that's nice. |
| [14:14:49] | quicksilver: | My main front/backend is a silverstone. |
| [14:14:54] | quicksilver: | and I'm pleased with that one. |
| [14:15:02] | hnitsuj: | expensive for what they are |
| [14:15:07] | hnitsuj: | my LC02 is shite |
| [14:15:07] | quicksilver: | true. |
| [14:15:15] | quicksilver: | Mine is an LC11? I think. |
| [14:15:24] | quicksilver: | big fat one, big enough for loads of hard disks. |
| [14:15:25] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, that mini-itx link costs a bomb! 175 for a case, 55 quid mobo, ram, and disk? |
| [14:15:38] | hnitsuj: | they're a 19"-ish box you can buy from RS with a nice front. |
| [14:16:02] | hnitsuj: | directhex|work: case is expensive |
| [14:16:37] | hnitsuj: | £160 for that ML02 case!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [14:16:40] | directhex|work: | 70 quid inc vat for the case, from mini-itx (probably cheaper elsewhere) |
| [14:17:03] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, sounds about right. silverstone are excessively pricey |
| [14:17:14] | directhex|work: | they're not the worst |
| [14:17:43] | hnitsuj: | anything up from their prices & you're talking about it being as cheap to get your own custom machined |
| [14:18:22] | directhex|work: | http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1111.html &ndas h; £230 for you, sah |
| [14:18:46] | directhex|work: | http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1119.html :P |
| [14:19:02] | quicksilver: | phoronics reviewed it at http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=796 |
| [14:19:07] | quicksilver: | they quite liked it |
| [14:19:13] | quicksilver: | looks like it's pricey but good. |
| [14:19:22] | directhex|work: | http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1122.html |
| [14:19:31] | hnitsuj: | never seen a VFD as necessary tbh |
| [14:19:41] | directhex|work: | http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1090.html |
| [14:19:59] | directhex|work: | bloody phoronix |
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| [14:30:15] | DGnome: | zalman cases suck, best i've seen is antec nsk-2480 |
| [14:30:28] | DGnome: | cool and non resonant |
| [14:30:39] | quicksilver: | interesting. |
| [14:31:03] | quicksilver: | only thing made by zalman I've owned is one of their super flower fan/coolers |
| [14:31:06] | quicksilver: | they're pretty nice. |
| [14:31:09] | DGnome: | the two 120mm fans can be run at a very silent speed and rubber grommets for disks and whatnot |
| [14:31:32] | directhex|work: | i'll just buy a mini when i'm unpoor |
| [14:31:55] | DGnome: | Scythe Ninja mini cpu-coolers are recommended also :) |
| [14:33:32] | directhex|work: | i recommend rats. they're fuzzy. |
| [14:34:14] | quicksilver: | maybe you're right. A refurb mac mini can be had for around 350 quid. |
| [14:34:35] | quicksilver: | quite easy to spend that much building your own. |
| [14:34:38] | hnitsuj: | only 50 less for a refurb? |
| [14:34:41] | hnitsuj: | blech |
| [14:35:07] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, ~10–15% is the norm for apple reduced prices |
| [14:35:09] | hnitsuj: | refurb is more or less 2nd hand. should be closer to 0.5 price IMHO |
| [14:35:31] | hnitsuj: | then again they hold their value really well too |
| [14:35:32] | directhex|work: | hnitsuj, yet they sell out on the refurb store within hours. supply & demand, matey! |
| [14:35:42] | hnitsuj: | evil facks ;) |
| [14:36:27] | directhex|work: | refurb mac pro? only £2,499.00 |
| [14:37:05] | directhex|work: | refurb 24" imac? a mere £949.00 |
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| [14:38:08] | quicksilver: | hmm. but is that built in remote IR or bluetooth or? |
| [14:39:20] | quicksilver: | looks like it's IR but I wonder if it's capable of receiving singles from a generic controller. |
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| [14:39:54] | hnitsuj: | quicksilver: mac IR remotes can indeed, but only with lirc |
| [14:40:21] | hnitsuj: | .. if you can program the IR remote to send the right codes – since mac remotes have but 6 buttons |
| [14:40:34] | directhex|work: | but the mac remote protocol supports 127 buttons iirc |
| [14:40:54] | hnitsuj: | 255 actually |
| [14:41:44] | quicksilver: | so you need a programmable remote, and program it to send the right kind of things? |
| [14:41:54] | quicksilver: | and if you have one, it will work with more than 6 keys |
| [14:42:02] | hnitsuj: | programmable as in – being able to program the protocol |
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| [18:24:04] | orthoevra: | well poop... after 3 hours of mythtv live tv watching mythfrontend[6496]: segfault at a7807500 eip 00f7998d esp b0100d20 error 4 |
| [18:24:12] | orthoevra: | i love descriptive errors |
| [18:26:00] | iamlindoro__: | Segfaults aren't supposed to be user friendly... they're supposed to make sense to the devs when you submit a backtrace |
| [18:26:23] | iamlindoro__: | A segfault by its very nature is an "oh shit, I have no idea what just happened *croak*" |
| [18:27:26] | Deek: | That's a pretty descriptive segfault — it tells you the address, the instruction pointer, and the stack pointer. |
| [18:28:11] | orthoevra: | i know thats what i mean :) |
| [18:28:37] | orthoevra: | on windows machine it would have just dissapeared |
| [18:31:58] | iamlindoro__: | Well, in fairness, the segfault would have been in Control Panel->Administrative Tools->Event Log->Application Log |
| [18:32:26] | venkelos: | seg faults are why nothing but drivers should be written in a language that directly references memory :) |
| [18:32:55] | Deek: | bah |
| [18:32:57] | venkelos: | also, is it normal for mythfrontend -v playback to show a lot of dropped frames because video falls behind audio? |
| [18:33:00] | orthoevra: | heh |
| [18:33:33] | venkelos: | i get about 20 messages every poll period saying it was 3.xxx frames behind, and dropped a frame |
| [18:34:46] | orthoevra: | hmm... i dont get those.. just channel change requests |
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| [18:35:09] | iamlindoro__: | It would be normal behavior if your machine is only barely fast enough to keep up/not quite fast enough |
| [18:35:24] | venkelos: | nah comp is too powerful if anything, just means im not done yet |
| [18:35:37] | venkelos: | when this is working right it should be as good quality hd as if i went straight from cable box right? |
| [18:35:44] | iamlindoro__: | Well myth isn't arbitrarily dropping frames, there's *something* that's too cslow |
| [18:37:17] | iamlindoro__: | That's a very subjective question-- in myth you are relying on ffmpeg's parsing of mpeg/h.264 data, myth's deinterlacers and filters, etc... odds are the deinterlacers/filters on your cable box are slightly better (IMO) but most people will never ever be able to tell the difference |
| [18:37:21] | orthoevra: | is there an actual eta for .21 yet? i dont want to install svn if its right around the corner |
| [18:37:35] | iamlindoro__: | You won't hear an ETA until it's released |
| [18:37:40] | iamlindoro__: | ETA: Right now! |
| [18:38:04] | orthoevra: | heh.. i guess i was asking for that answer :P what i mean is expected soon or far |
| [18:38:11] | iamlindoro__: | soon |
| [18:38:37] | Anduin: | probably next week |
| [18:38:42] | orthoevra: | where i work i have to quote dev times and production release date even before i know my requirements, its totally backwards |
| [18:38:57] | venkelos: | we are like that here too |
| [18:39:04] | orthoevra: | cool! looking forward to it.. and a nonbroken mythweather :) |
| [18:39:16] | venkelos: | client request -> estimate hours -> find out request details -> totally underbill |
| [18:39:25] | iamlindoro__: | mythweather is broken in a brand *new* way |
| [18:39:32] | iamlindoro__: | ie, trying to use it makes you want to kill yourself |
| [18:39:42] | Anduin: | orthoevra: You probably will not like the less broken but still icky MythWeather in 0.21 |
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| [18:40:37] | orthoevra: | at bofa its get request on a napkin-> quote inflated dev time -> get reqs that are totally different from original napkin drawing-> panic |
| [18:40:52] | orthoevra: | anduin: hmm makes me curious now maybe i will install svn |
| [18:40:55] | Anduin: | and fixed release dates makes perfect sense, you have numbers to make for that quarter! |
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| [18:41:33] | orthoevra: | anduin: its all about numbers.. which are not really "good" for quality in most cases |
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| [18:41:54] | Anduin: | No one picks software based on quality. |
| [18:42:05] | venkelos: | ya thats why i went with mythtv |
| [18:42:08] | venkelos: | just kidding! |
| [18:42:08] | dgege: | Anyone know if those cheapo USB IR receivers found on eBay work with lirc? |
| [18:42:13] | orthoevra: | Anduin: remember that next time you wonder where your money went :) |
| [18:42:29] | orthoevra: | dgege: model name/number? |
| [18:42:35] | dgege: | I have no idea |
| [18:42:38] | venkelos: | lol |
| [18:42:39] | dgege: | It doesn't say |
| [18:43:06] | dgege: | Here's an example: http://cgi.ebay.com/New-PC-Media-Center-Remot . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [18:43:07] | Anduin: | dgege: How cheap? (the MCE ones do, about $30 USD) |
| [18:43:33] | Deek: | The MCE IR receivers I got with my PVR-150s work fine |
| [18:43:36] | orthoevra: | heh.. for that price i would just buy ione and try it |
| [18:43:51] | orthoevra: | my HP MCE remote works without any config |
| [18:43:52] | dgege: | Agreed, but it's the delay that's killing me |
| [18:44:01] | dgege: | It will take around 2 weeks |
| [18:44:19] | Anduin: | dgege: Get the USB vendor/device id from them, and check if lirc supports it |
| [18:44:40] | venkelos: | shipping costs as much as remote |
| [18:44:47] | dgege: | orthoevra: Do you mean that it works because it's recognized as HID? |
| [18:44:50] | venkelos: | you dont have a store that sells em withen 7 dollars of that price? |
| [18:45:03] | venkelos: | also stores are better for returning stuff that doesnt work |
| [18:45:06] | dgege: | venkelos: I couldn't find one, no :( |
| [18:45:16] | Deek: | don't see any blaster connectors though |
| [18:45:27] | dgege: | I don't need a blaster |
| [18:45:32] | orthoevra: | dgege: dunno it just worked, i picked it up and started using it and was amazed to see i didnt have to do anything other than adjust the key repeat rate |
| [18:45:40] | dgege: | It's a simple media center I'm building, no TV |
| [18:45:51] | Deek: | dgege: neither do I...at the moment. |
| [18:46:06] | dgege: | So I guess noone really knows then |
| [18:46:10] | Deek: | But I have in the past and probably will at some time in the future :) |
| [18:46:27] | orthoevra: | dgege: the laptop basically thinkgs its another keyboard, im assuming the bios itself sees it as a keyboard and the IR stuff is all handled outside any software |
| [18:46:38] | venkelos: | can't tell without specs, but id do some more checking for a local computer store, especially if you can find one with extremely lax return policy |
| [18:47:02] | dgege: | I'll see if I can find a store that sells them |
| [18:47:14] | dgege: | Thanx for the help guys! |
| [18:47:37] | dgege: | I'm out, later |
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| [18:54:18] | xris: | iamlindoro: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Iamlindoro&nbs p;— this solve your HD/DVB stuff? |
| [18:54:31] | iamlindoro__: | xris, yup |
| [18:54:58] | xris: | slick. I'll have to try this tonight. |
| [18:55:13] | xris: | would be REALLY cool to finally have these plant earth recordings cut down to size |
| [18:55:19] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, please do, let me know if it sorts you out-- I was up until 2 AM this morning getting it all just-so |
| [18:55:25] | xris: | heh, nice. |
| [18:55:40] | xris: | so is your nick like "i am lindoro"? |
| [18:55:45] | iamlindoro__: | yeah |
| [18:55:53] | iamlindoro__: | loooong story (like everyone's I guess) |
| [18:55:55] | xris: | sort of like my "i be xris" for my gmail |
| [18:56:00] | xris: | :) |
| [18:56:08] | iamlindoro__: | exactly |
| [18:56:10] | kuil: | iamlindoro__: would you then define that as a user job? |
| [18:56:11] | xris: | I have a friend who owns/owned iambob.com |
| [18:56:15] | xris: | er, bobami |
| [18:56:52] | iamlindoro__: | kuil, Right... and I set it up to run on all my firewire recordings-- takes about 10 mins per hour of recording on my system, but the result is a working stream without loss of quality |
| [18:56:54] | Deek: | I just wish there were a few more non-5c channels on my fw box. :) |
| [18:57:46] | iamlindoro__: | I couldn't quite figure out why mythcommflag --rebuild failed so badly on the file (thought it was 1:45 long) but mythtranscode --buildindex rebuilds the index perfectly-- oh well |
| [18:58:16] | Deek: | oooh, that's what I've been looking for! |
| [18:58:17] | kuil: | iamlindoro__: nice... |
| [18:58:47] | iamlindoro__: | the other thing I've noticed, and maybe this is just me... |
| [19:00:13] | iamlindoro__: | When I edit my firewire HD stuff, it gets REALLY confused and macroblocky when it goes from commercial to program and program to commercial |
| [19:00:34] | Deek: | it's not you |
| [19:00:36] | iamlindoro__: | But after demuxing/remuxing and rebuilding the index, it works *perfectly* |
| [19:00:38] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro that happens on ATSC too |
| [19:01:19] | |Torg|: | I always thought it was a broadcast vs cable thing, but I guess everyone has the same issue |
| [19:01:50] | iamlindoro__: | |Torg|, have never had the issue on ATSC stuff-- What I'm talking about is you can have edit mode on, let's say, 5 second skip... I set a cutpoint, and then just forward 5 seconds and Whoops, suddenly I'm seeing a random frame from the commercial 30 seconds ago |
| [19:02:18] | iamlindoro__: | I don't doubt it exists in other formats, I juse only see it in firewire personally |
| [19:02:34] | |Torg|: | ok, I thoght yo ujmeant he bad/corrup/whatever indexes in the mpeg and the duplicate blocks |
| [19:02:34] | iamlindoro__: | But was very excited to see that my script (even though I didn't intend it to) seemed to fix that |
| [19:03:24] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, it was weird for sure-- the random frames didn't show up in playback, just randomly fuzzed in in edit mode-- probably due to the damaged container |
| [19:03:49] | iamlindoro__: | At least, that's what I assume since all it does is give it a freshly-written container and rebuild the index |
| [19:04:21] | |Torg|: | I assumed it had to do with retransmission of frames |
| [19:05:02] | iamlindoro__: | Meh, I guess it's academic... I'm just happy it works :) |
| [19:06:07] | |Torg|: | im glad you made it, mostly becase I didnt know xport existed for linux. More TS tools are alwyas welcome :) |
| [19:06:22] | iamlindoro__: | Well.. I don't think it did until I tried to compile it, heh |
| [19:06:57] | iamlindoro__: | Couldn't find any reference to it being used under linux, but then I looked at the includes and was like, "heyyyy... this probably ought to compile." |
| [19:09:23] | iamlindoro__: | I think xport is probably one of the best demuxers out there, though-- I've used it in Windows for stuff that I just *could not* get demuxed otherwise, so it's definitely a nice surprise |
| [19:09:34] | |Torg|: | well im going to play with it to see what I can achieve, my last experiment with mpeg2mpeg trascoding told me I save maybe 15% removing the commercials |
| [19:10:15] | orthoevra: | movie cover images for mythtv are placed in .mythtv/MythVideo by default.. but how does it link them to movei? same name as video file? id3 tags? |
| [19:10:40] | orthoevra: | i think i might pass the time by setting cover imagse for all my xvids |
| [19:11:25] | iamlindoro__: | orthoevra, They can be named anything, there's just a database field for poster for each movie |
| [19:12:01] | orthoevra: | iam: cool so i have to somehow just have that pointer in each DB record and viola? |
| [19:12:34] | orthoevra: | so a quick: update tablename set coverfieldname = 'folder.jpg' inthe entire table should do it |
| [19:12:36] | iamlindoro__: | exactly |
| [19:12:44] | orthoevra: | easy! |
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| [19:13:00] | iamlindoro__: | lemme see if I can dig up my thumbnail generation script to show you |
| [19:13:03] | xris: | iamlindoro__: damn. you have a q6600 in your mythbox? thought i was the only one silly enough to build such an overpowered machine. ;) |
| [19:13:16] | orthoevra: | no such thiing as overpowered :P |
| [19:13:51] | |Torg|: | I have one soly for my frontend |
| [19:13:51] | iamlindoro__: | xris, Hehehe... well, I rip my Blu-ray stuff to MythVideo, so that takes some oomph, and I transcode all the stuff I archive to h.264.... but really, I'm just a big, big nerd who loves power tools |
| [19:13:58] | orthoevra: | gah! i wish webyog made a linux version of sqlyog |
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| [19:14:17] | orthoevra: | iam: that must take FOREVER |
| [19:14:29] | ** orthoevra waits around 2–3 hours per DVD rip ** | |
| [19:14:30] | xris: | iamlindoro__: yeah, at least I have a legit excuse (bought the proc for my server, but the mobo didn't support it) |
| [19:14:40] | xris: | then again, I only paid like $150 for the proc, too. |
| [19:15:00] | directhex: | orthoevra, dvd ripping scales pretty much perfectly with extra cores |
| [19:15:04] | |Torg|: | I paid $189 for proc and mb at a frys sale |
| [19:15:26] | iamlindoro__: | orthoevra, well, I think I get about 2 x realtime on that system to moderate bitrate h.264... not too bad once you're caught up-- I only archive 2–3 hours of TV per week |
| [19:15:30] | directhex: | orthoevra, i run through 2-pass h264 encodes on the wife's pc at just under realtime |
| [19:15:42] | iamlindoro__: | xris, I have no such excuse :) |
| [19:15:45] | orthoevra: | wow... time for me to upgrade :( |
| [19:16:18] | iamlindoro__: | orthoevra, http://rafb.net/p/0a7ZJ918.html |
| [19:16:18] | xris: | iamlindoro__: so I'm trying to decipher your script (want to do this by hand first).. xport won't touch my original file, wll it? |
| [19:16:26] | iamlindoro__: | That's my auto-thumbnail generation script, which I run on all the TV shows in mythvideo-- but it will show you the database tables and fields |
| [19:16:40] | orthoevra: | iamlindoro: thanks! going to try this right now |
| [19:16:57] | iamlindoro__: | xris, nope, 1 1 1 basically means first program, first audio track, first video track, which it dumps to files bits0001.mpa and .mpv in the current directory |
| [19:17:19] | iamlindoro__: | xris, as it is, the script leaves the original copy of the file as filename.mpg.old in your recordings dir |
| [19:17:26] | xris: | ok, that's what I thought — just wanted to check since I don't want to delete the old files until I know they're fixed. |
| [19:17:35] | xris: | none of these are in my recordings dir at the moment. heh |
| [19:17:53] | iamlindoro__: | I left the deletion of the original file commented out so that people are responsible for breaking their own stuff :) |
| [19:18:23] | iamlindoro__: | xris, Yeah, should work fine just from the command line (although obviously the commflag portions will fail) |
| [19:18:34] | xris: | yeah |
| [19:18:58] | Ojg: | is it possible to turn off lircd's log because it records every key i press and the file gets very large very quick or should i just link it to /dev/null =P |
| [19:19:01] | xris: | I'll get it into myth the same way I usually do (.sql backup made by nuvexport), and rerun commflag |
| [19:19:05] | |Torg|: | im thinking of using it more as a user script then automaticly I stil cant get commerical skip to work more then about 80% of the time |
| [19:19:14] | sphing: | has anyone tried chunking up a myth video and encoding the chunks on multiple boxes then rejoining it? |
| [19:19:47] | iamlindoro__: | sphing, I believe some guy wrote a distributed engine for x264.exe on windows, but there's no linux port AFAIK |
| [19:19:59] | |Torg|: | yes iamlindoro I have it |
| [19:20:09] | iamlindoro__: | a linux port? Cool! |
| [19:20:18] | |Torg|: | let me see if I see have it online |
| [19:20:30] | sphing: | was there a large file size increase? |
| [19:20:43] | |Torg|: | x264farm |
| [19:20:51] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, that's the one |
| [19:21:14] | orthoevra: | iamlindoro: do i need any special libs or anything installed to use this sript? |
| [19:21:31] | iamlindoro__: | the thumnail one? Hmm, should only need mplayer |
| [19:21:31] | |Torg|: | http://omion.dyndns.org/x264farm/x264farm-1.15_src.zip |
| [19:21:49] | iamlindoro__: | and, obviously the mysql client |
| [19:21:52] | orthoevra: | iamlindoro: lots of command not founds |
| [19:22:12] | iamlindoro__: | do bash -x thumbscript.sh and you'll know where it's tanking |
| [19:22:23] | iamlindoro__: | (or whatever you called it) |
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| [19:23:47] | sshirle1: | Hey everybody |
| [19:24:50] | sshirle1: | I am switching to vlc as my media player in mythtv. This page gave me some good starting points: http://mythtvbox.blogspot.com/2006/10/switchi . . . to-vlc.html. where does one typically put lirc scripts? Meaning, where the button and action definitions are. |
| [19:25:09] | iamlindoro__: | traditionally, ~/.lircrc |
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| [19:26:56] | sshirle1: | thanks |
| [19:27:01] | iamlindoro__: | np |
| [19:30:16] | iamlindoro__: | sshirle1, I won't fight with you about what to do, but you may find yourself switching back to the internal player when .21 comes out, it's really gotten phenomenal lately |
| [19:31:00] | iamlindoro__: | especially with GreyFoxx's recent work fixing seeking in MKV/VOBs/TSs/MP4s |
| [19:31:54] | sshirle1: | When 0.21 comes out, then I will definately give it a try. But so far, vlc is the only thing that plays all my files (without stretching or color distortions). I REALLY WANTED to like the internal player. :-) It just didn't live up to my expectations. |
| [19:32:40] | iamlindoro__: | sshirle1, yeah, just give it a shot when it's out-- I would bet you'd be pleasantly surprised, even if you don't switch to it... it's improved in leaps and bounds |
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| [19:33:34] | sshirle1: | BTW....I am getting an older HDTV from a friend of mine (ya can't turn down free!) and I will attach it to my system via HDMI (DVI-to-HDMI). I understand that live tv and recorded tv will play sound via the HDMI. what about my stored videos. don't they need output via the sound card? |
| [19:33:35] | directhex: | http://www.hexus.tv/show/2008/03/Lian_Li_expo . . . at_CeBIT_08/ |
| [19:33:52] | directhex: | the above is well worth watching for people who game a lot |
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| [19:34:58] | iamlindoro__: | They turned that xbox360 into a black Powermac G5! |
| [19:37:31] | directhex: | yes! |
| [19:37:38] | iamlindoro__: | sshirle1, HDMI's audio is basically just pulled off a coaxial audio header on most motherboards... DVI doesn't carry any audio, though, so if either side is DVI you will need to do audio the old-fashioned way |
| [19:38:25] | iamlindoro__: | PS, where do I line up for free HDTVs? |
| [19:38:27] | Deek: | iamlindoro__: Your script doesn't set framerate |
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| [19:39:05] | sshirle1: | lol |
| [19:39:56] | sshirle1: | Damn! So I'll have to do the DVI to HDMI for video and then output the video card into a composite sound port? |
| [19:40:29] | sshirle1: | Yuck. It'd be interesting to see if there are any cables out there that will mux the two into a single cable (like HDMI normally is) |
| [19:40:29] | |Torg|: | you have to output the DVI to HDMI for video |
| [19:40:31] | orthoevra: | iamlindoro: something fishy.. it just says that every line is commnand not found i might try to just write the same thing in php |
| [19:40:48] | |Torg|: | sound you do seprately, coax SPDIF works nicly to a AC processor |
| [19:41:03] | directhex: | i use spdif |
| [19:41:05] | sshirle1: | Torg: I didn't understand that at all. :-) |
| [19:41:12] | directhex: | was easy peasy to set up |
| [19:41:18] | |Torg|: | sound = sound, video = v ideo |
| [19:41:33] | |Torg|: | if you want to mux sound + video into HDMI you can do it, with some rather expensiv cables |
| [19:41:45] | |Torg|: | if you want to do DVI to HDMI video only its cheap, very |
| [19:42:26] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Any problems with that seeking hacking ? |
| [19:42:30] | |Torg|: | then you use a sound card, also a very cheap one, to output to SPDIF Coax. You fead that into a souuround ound decoder, sorruund speaker set, etc |
| [19:42:53] | Deek: | xport/ffmpeg saves 200MB on a 5.1G recording |
| [19:43:16] | iamlindoro__: | Deek, haven't found it to be a problem *yet* in testing both 60 and 30 fps sources, but I understand what you mean... may be transparent to me since I've only been using the results in myth and the video PID does have the framerate preserved |
| [19:43:21] | |Torg|: | Deek: it saves about 250M on a *G one too |
| [19:43:24] | |Torg|: | err 8G |
| [19:43:38] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, None whatsoever, and fairly heavy use in the last day or so |
| [19:44:40] | iamlindoro__: | orthoevra, you didn't chmod +x the script |
| [19:44:48] | iamlindoro__: | can run it if it's not executable ;) |
| [19:44:50] | iamlindoro__: | er can't |
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| [19:44:52] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: cool |
| [19:45:12] | orthoevra: | iamlindoro: i did :) rwxrwxrwt |
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| [19:45:30] | Deek: | eek |
| [19:45:57] | iamlindoro__: | hmm, sounds like a shell problem to me if every single line is complaining command not found |
| [19:46:02] | sshirle1: | Torg: Gotcha. Any recommendations on a sound card under Linux that can output to SPDIF? |
| [19:46:04] | ** iamlindoro__ can't keep up with all the conversations ** | |
| [19:46:33] | sshirle1: | Torg: Also, if I don't do that right now...do I do it as I desribed (sound card to composite)? |
| [19:46:35] | Deek: | I may have to do all the nifty getopt-ish stuff to this script :) |
| [19:46:45] | orthoevra: | yeah its even complaining about the blank lines: command not found2 12: $'\r' |
| [19:47:01] | Deek: | it's \r |
| [19:47:31] | |Torg|: | sshirle1: I can only tell you what I use, a CM8738 card. Its so old I dont even rember the maker |
| [19:48:31] | Deek: | on-board here |
| [19:48:33] | sshirle1: | Awesome! I knowledgeable people are here! :-) My Myth box is giving me trouble deleting older recordings of mine (like during the first week of operation). I look in the logs and get a Permission Denied (13). Any ideas on what that would be? I don;t know if this helps, but by the processes that are writing the logs, it seems that user mythtv.mythtv is running the backend and sshirley.mythtv is running the frontend. |
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| [19:49:12] | Deek: | sshirle1: chmod g+wx on the recordings dir |
| [19:49:16] | directhex: | sshirle1, pretty much anything ought to work. i use onboard sound on my board |
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| [19:49:36] | orthoevra: | yeah something funny... it also says #!/bin/sh is a bad enterpreter lol |
| [19:49:55] | Deek: | orthoevra: probably an extra \r |
| [19:50:03] | Deek: | sshirle1: and make sure the dir is owned by group mythtv |
| [19:50:05] | iamlindoro__: | especially interesting since my script sets bash as the interpreter, not sh ;) |
| [19:50:22] | orthoevra: | well i changed it to sh to see if that changed the error :) |
| [19:50:43] | gezb: | hi Im tying to comlple mythtv SVN r16344, but make fails because there is no make file in /libs/libmythfreesurround/ does anybody know what im doing wrong? |
| [19:50:49] | iamlindoro__: | I think ubuntu sets sh == dash or something like that these days, ran into an issue with that once |
| [19:50:49] | |Torg|: | where is this script you are talking about? |
| [19:51:17] | iamlindoro__: | |Torg|, I shared a thumbnail generation script with him, it's noplace public, just pastebinned it |
| [19:51:31] | Deek: | iamlindoro__: that'd be a script issue, people using bash syntax in "sh" scripts |
| [19:51:40] | xris: | iamlindoro__: something definitely weird... I can't remux. |
| [19:51:56] | iamlindoro__: | xris, ffmpeg complaining? |
| [19:52:03] | xris: | it just dies |
| [19:52:09] | xris: | about 3/4 of the way through |
| [19:52:14] | iamlindoro__: | Whoah... that's weird |
| [19:52:20] | xris: | moving on to a different file |
| [19:52:21] | orthoevra: | ./convergen: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| [19:52:28] | Deek: | see? ^M |
| [19:52:29] | orthoevra: | which bash: /bin/bash |
| [19:52:37] | Deek: | it's saved as a DOS file |
| [19:52:38] | orthoevra: | yeah but i cant find ther e^M to remove it |
| [19:52:59] | iamlindoro__: | Yeah, Deek is right--- locate dos2unix |
| [19:53:02] | orthoevra: | what the.. using gedit ill try saving it in vi |
| [19:53:04] | Deek: | dos2unix, flip, etc |
| [19:53:33] | |Torg|: | vi :g/^v^M/s///g |
| [19:53:40] | |Torg|: | you odnt need dos2unix |
| [19:53:40] | orthoevra: | aha just resaved it in vi and its all good |
| [19:53:43] | sshirle1: | Deek: Both of your suggestions didn't work. The directory already had those permissions. The directory was mythtv.mythtv |
| [19:53:59] | Deek: | sshirle1: and the files? |
| [19:54:06] | iamlindoro__: | Deek, you son of a bitch, why didn't your suggestions work? ;) |
| [19:54:22] | ** Deek hangs himself ** | |
| [19:54:25] | sshirle1: | lol |
| [19:54:33] | sshirle1: | I didn't mean it like that |
| [19:54:56] | iamlindoro__: | xris, I'm not sure about ffmpeg dying-- I hope it works on your other stuff, I kinda hoped this might finally be the silver bullet :) |
| [19:55:12] | sshirle1: | Deek: rw-r--w-- |
| [19:55:26] | Deek: | sshirle1: then you must have "slow deletes" on. |
| [19:55:31] | xris: | iamlindoro__: yeah, we'll see... |
| [19:55:37] | GreyFoxx: | xris: are you running the releases branch ? |
| [19:55:42] | sshirle1: | Yes I do. But to slow delete for over a month? |
| [19:56:04] | Deek: | sshirle1: The group can't write to the files |
| [19:56:14] | Deek: | so the slow delete doesn't work |
| [19:56:20] | sshirle1: | Deek: I've read that for a XFS file system, slow deletes are good. |
| [19:56:25] | Deek: | A fast deletw would work fine |
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| [19:56:43] | Deek: | but in order to slow-delete, you need to be able to write to the file...and you can't. |
| [19:56:45] | iamlindoro__: | xris, Greyfoxx reminds me, I am running *really* recent ffmpeg SVN, don't know if that might have any bearing |
| [19:56:50] | orthoevra: | iamlindoro: awesome! script is working perfectly now doing its thing, not sure why gedit saved as dos format tho... |
| [19:56:54] | sshirle1: | Deek: Ok, I know my way around Linux, but I don't know how to enable group access to do that. |
| [19:57:02] | iamlindoro__: | orthoevra, meh, all's well that ends well |
| [19:57:02] | Deek: | sshirle1: g+w |
| [19:57:04] | xris: | iamlindoro__: mine's at least a few weeks old |
| [19:57:08] | Deek: | or 664 |
| [19:57:14] | orthoevra: | yep thanks again for this, makes things much easier |
| [19:57:19] | directhex: | it's the GreyFoxx! yay! |
| [19:57:28] | iamlindoro__: | xris, I would think that would be good enough, we're hardly dealing with exotic formats |
| [19:57:30] | ** orthoevra loves her mythtv! ** | |
| [19:57:41] | iamlindoro__: | no problem |
| [19:57:46] | sshirle1: | OHHHH. The 'g' in chmod g+x means for groups |
| [19:58:12] | Deek: | g refers to the file's owning group |
| [19:58:21] | directhex: | it means "granma", the state-owned newspaper in cuba |
| [19:58:25] | GreyFoxx: | xris: I've got a seeking fix for the mp4's and such I am likely gonna commit today |
| [19:58:29] | directhex: | it gives the cuban government access to your files |
| [19:58:35] | GreyFoxx: | but if you wanna try it first you can |
| [19:58:46] | Deek: | (or directory, which used to be regular files in UNIX) |
| [19:59:16] | sshirle1: | word |
| [19:59:41] | Deek: | you could cat directories |
| [19:59:51] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: If you are running recent trunk (likely last couple hours) can you try your navigation via upnp on the ps3 ? |
| [20:00:07] | GreyFoxx: | there were some changes on the weekend and an update from cdev yesterday |
| [20:00:14] | GreyFoxx: | which so far works on everything we'vew tried including his ps3 |
| [20:01:23] | sshirle1: | But how do I set it so that all future recordings will have those permissions? Is that why I did 'chmod g+x' on the directory? |
| [20:01:37] | Deek: | sshirle1: no, that's umask |
| [20:01:53] | xris: | GreyFoxx: cool. frontend still segfaults for me whenever I try to watch an mp4 file with mythvideo, so not sure how much it'd help me |
| [20:02:00] | Deek: | You need to set the umask to 002 in mythbackend's environment |
| [20:02:04] | iamlindoro__: | in general, if your mythbackend can create the files, it can delete them... future recordings *should* be fine-- didn't you say your issue was only with old recordings? |
| [20:02:26] | Deek: | true |
| [20:02:31] | GreyFoxx: | xris: will most recent release svn and this patch it shouldnm't segfault and should allow seeking |
| [20:02:43] | GreyFoxx: | so far everything I have works |
| [20:03:10] | GreyFoxx: | I have 2 glitchy mp4's which use variable framerates which we don't currently handle well so lots of prebuffering issues |
| [20:03:58] | sshirle1: | iamlindoro, deek: that's true. it is older recordings. so i should be fine. :-) |
| [20:04:22] | |Torg|: | sshirle1: it would be better to simply run that script as the same user who runs mythbackend, not try to circumvent permissions and secruity simply to get a script to run |
| [20:04:30] | xris: | GreyFoxx: let me know when it's in and I'll recompile. |
| [20:04:34] | GreyFoxx: | k |
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| [20:04:40] | xris: | I'm running svn trunk from a few days ago, too |
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| [20:04:46] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, i haven't got a build that recent |
| [20:04:51] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: k |
| [20:05:08] | directhex: | oh, do we know what's causing the opengl renderer not to work after the first time? |
| [20:05:32] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: Did you have some dvb recordings as well that caused lots of prebuffering pauses like justin had ? |
| [20:05:43] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: I've yet to encounter that. |
| [20:06:03] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, none i had noticed, but it's mostly the wife who uses livetv/recordings so she'd be the one to notice – and she uses mythtv player |
| [20:06:18] | hnitsuj: | if my dev box with trunk on it exhibited the problem I'd check. would love to see that bazzer nailed |
| [20:06:39] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, iamlindoro has it too. the opengl render works for playing one thing (livetv, recorded, Internal) once, looking goegrous when doing so, but subsequently it will only show a black screen until mfe gets restarted |
| [20:07:19] | ** iamlindoro__ nods somberly as he has nothing to add ** | |
| [20:07:37] | GreyFoxx: | I'll actively try that later when I get home |
| [20:07:50] | GreyFoxx: | I rarely use the gl renderer as it takes more cpu |
| [20:08:15] | GreyFoxx: | Justin__: I've run into a bunch of files which are using variable framerates which are causing it for me |
| [20:08:15] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, it looks so very much better though, especially the osd |
| [20:08:25] | GreyFoxx: | 1 moment it's 19 fps, the next it's 26 |
| [20:08:31] | sshirle1: | Torg: which script? |
| [20:08:32] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, Something I noted yesterday was the software OSD causes corruption "beneath" itself on MP4s and MKVs, whereas the GL renderer does not |
| [20:08:37] | hnitsuj: | GreyFoxx: dunno if it means anything but since I did the defrag & fixed a time offset on the frontend (<30s) – yet to notice any gaps |
| [20:09:10] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: I can't see a diff since I stopped using tv out, but I noticed before that it looked better |
| [20:09:14] | hnitsuj: | note to peeps – if you think ntp is working, make sure it actually is! |
| [20:09:24] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: I have seen that one 1 video |
| [20:09:45] | directhex: | hnitsuj, add a "/etc/init.d/ntp restart" to cron.daily! |
| [20:09:47] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro__: that's part of myth not supporting warez :P |
| [20:09:50] | iamlindoro__: | It's actually kinds cool as it looks like the OSD is mapped onto whatever is below it as it "swims" around-- kinda cool in a buggy way ;) |
| [20:09:58] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [20:10:10] | |Torg|: | if your NTP is that unstable id go see why |
| [20:10:17] | GreyFoxx: | the OSD is software blended with the XV image before being sent for display |
| [20:10:34] | GreyFoxx: | would be neat to treat it as a seperate XV layer just like the opengl version |
| [20:10:36] | directhex: | one thing i loved doing on windows was setting the overlay colorkey on winamp plugins to the solid black used by windows for text etc. made the whole screen look whizzy! |
| [20:10:43] | iamlindoro__: | hnitsuj, et tu, brute? I have like three MKVs. :) |
| [20:11:00] | iamlindoro__: | many MP4s, though, as it's my transcode-container-of-choice |
| [20:11:01] | directhex: | O_o |
| [20:11:05] | GreyFoxx: | I've got a dozen or so mkv's and mp4's, al of which I made ;) |
| [20:11:12] | directhex: | a yank quoting julius caesar? now i've seen everything |
| [20:11:18] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro__: is that some poofter geek thing that only people with poles up their asses know? :P (reference to the lamest insult I've ever seen today) |
| [20:11:26] | GreyFoxx: | I've moving away from XVid encoding my DVd's to H264 in either mp4 or mkv containers |
| [20:12:09] | GreyFoxx: | the visual difference is stunning |
| [20:12:09] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, go for mp4 – that guarantees xbox/ps3 happiness |
| [20:12:25] | hnitsuj: | eep! my frontend can play transcoded stuff now! all this time & I'd never realised. duh. been a long time since the epia was relegated to a cupboard |
| [20:12:25] | GreyFoxx: | at least now that I can see the different since I no longer use a tvout port :) |
| [20:12:45] | GreyFoxx: | dvi goodness |
| [20:12:47] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, i've been re-ripping all my movies with blu-ray compliant h264 profiles, which both 360 and ps3 are happy to play |
| [20:12:52] | hnitsuj: | might see about transcoding my wife's rubbish (Bad Girls) |
| [20:13:04] | directhex: | hnitsuj, urgh, yours too? |
| [20:13:17] | sshirle1: | Deek, iamlindoro: Looks like I am still getting a Permission Denied (13) when trying to delete those videos |
| [20:13:22] | hnitsuj: | directhex: sadly yes. there's always a down side to being married ;) |
| [20:13:23] | sshirle1: | recordings, rather |
| [20:13:30] | directhex: | Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit.mp4': |
| [20:13:30] | directhex: | Duration: 01:39:40.0, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 1671 kb/s |
| [20:13:30] | directhex: | Stream #0.0(und): Video: h264, yuv420p, 640x360, 25.00 fps(r) |
| [20:13:30] | directhex: | Stream #0.1(und): Audio: aac, 48000 Hz, stereo |
| [20:13:35] | directhex: | yay for mp4 rippage |
| [20:14:29] | hnitsuj: | oo and I kinda have a nice cpu to do transcoding on now too. wish I could remember if slave backends can transcode recordings they didn't make... |
| [20:14:38] | iamlindoro__: | Indeed-- have never really understood the MKV love aside from the theoretical "lower overhead"... but I don't really have anything with subs or posters or fonts or any of the other fancy stuff I understand it supports, so maybe it's more helpful when you need it (fansubs?) |
| [20:14:56] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro__: mostly fansubs I'd wager |
| [20:15:24] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: I like the new embedded cover power stuff, and the potential for menus and such right in the container |
| [20:15:27] | hnitsuj: | a genre I wouldn't mind seeing more of is fandubs – redub dialogue with comedic effect. that might be cool |
| [20:15:27] | directhex: | it's the subs |
| [20:15:32] | directhex: | i used ogm specifically for the sub support |
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| [20:15:51] | directhex: | and now i'm torn trying to decide how to proceed on foreign stuff – since 360/ps3 won't use a .srt file |
| [20:15:55] | iamlindoro__: | I *did* notice on the ffmpeg dev list that support for all that stuff has been added to ffmpeg, so I'd imagine we'd see more use of that stuff in libavcodec apps from here on out |
| [20:16:00] | directhex: | hnitsuj, anarchic fansubs are great! |
| [20:16:17] | directhex: | hnitsuj, especially where they leave in the adverts and make them about creepy stalkers |
| [20:16:25] | hnitsuj: | heheh |
| [20:16:43] | iamlindoro__: | GreyFoxx, I guess I'd have to see it in practice to get hooked on it, but I can see that being cool-- does anyone use those features? (serious question) |
| [20:16:57] | hnitsuj: | been watching a couple of episodes (1st two) of Ashes to Ashes. quite good. makes me wish I'd seen Life On Mars now |
| [20:17:12] | directhex: | i downloaded whilst at uni (for amusement avlue) the first episode of live-action sailor moon, to see how you could take a camp girly anime and real-life it. there were the occasional "bad" sub, e.g. "this is a horrible release. it will scar children who take their live action seriously" |
| [20:17:15] | GreyFoxx: | you can bet I'd look to add the coverposter support to mythvideo unless Anduin does it |
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| [20:17:21] | GreyFoxx: | or even just ascript to suck them out |
| [20:18:12] | hnitsuj: | directhex: sounds a lot like Be Kind, Rewind ;) |
| [20:18:41] | directhex: | and the counterpoint to the saccharin sweetness and general wirdness of live-action sailor moon is live-action la blue girl. la blue girl is a tentacle porn anime. they did a live-action version. complete with tentacle rape |
| [20:18:52] | iamlindoro__: | Wonder if something in mkvtoolnix already has support for pulling that stuff |
| [20:19:05] | iamlindoro__: | ah, yup |
| [20:19:08] | iamlindoro__: | mkvextract |
| [20:19:15] | Dagmar: | directhex: It wouldn't be The Blue Girl if they took out sexcraft and the boss battle |
| [20:19:35] | directhex: | Dagmar, you're showing your knowledge a little too much, dude. reel it in! |
| [20:20:03] | Dagmar: | Dude, I bought a copy of The Blue Girl for an ex-girlfriend by mistake. |
| [20:20:09] | hnitsuj: | I won't ever even try to relate to what attracts people to tentacle porn anime |
| [20:20:14] | Dagmar: | Believe me, I'm familiar with the damn thing now |
| [20:20:43] | Dagmar: | Her birthday was coming up, and I knew she liked anime, and they *had it on sale at CompUSA* |
| [20:20:57] | directhex: | http://www.kittymedia.com/ <nsfw, do not reassemble first and second half of this url, it's the box art for the dvd> images/covers/631595021660.jpg |
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| [20:21:06] | Dagmar: | It was one of those MovieCD's with that cracked out format that requires the hybrid codec/driver that only works on Win98. |
| [20:21:21] | Dagmar: | So yes, let me repeat that, _They were selling Le Blue Girl at CompUSA_ |
| [20:21:33] | directhex: | Dagmar, could be worse |
| [20:21:39] | Dagmar: | After I found out what I was I went back and set the manager straight before someone bought that for their kid |
| [20:21:41] | directhex: | Dagmar, it wasn't legend of the overfiend |
| [20:21:44] | venkelos: | woah compUSA still exists? |
| [20:22:05] | Anduin: | not for much longer |
| [20:22:08] | Dagmar: | Put down the bong, kid |
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| [20:22:50] | venkelos: | last time i saw one was like 10 years ago |
| [20:23:36] | iamlindoro__: | They were down to just a few stores last I checked-- went in when they were selling the furniture, shelves, etc. |
| [20:23:39] | |Torg|: | CompUSa still exists, its just not owned by the same people anymore |
| [20:23:46] | iamlindoro__: | And they were *still* overcharging while they tried to blow out the store |
| [20:23:49] | directhex: | Dagmar, hey, look, la blue girl was rejected by the bbfc as unfit for human consumption. as in "too bad to earn a porn-shop-only r18 certificate" |
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| [20:24:22] | venkelos: | la blue girl is terrible |
| [20:24:28] | hnitsuj: | Raincoat Theater ? hahaha. Says all you need to know |
| [20:24:32] | |Torg|: | specifcally Systemmax bought th store, what remaind of them and are going to open (well it hasnt happend yet) next month or so) |
| [20:24:42] | PatrickDK: | dragon pink? f3? |
| [20:25:02] | directhex: | "LA BLUE GIRL RETURNS – EPISODES 3 & 4" is 41m 11s long. it only got an 18 rating after being cut by *24m 25s* |
| [20:25:06] | |Torg|: | but iamlindoro is correct, even when they has the liqudation sale they were still overpriced |
| [20:26:41] | |Torg|: | but the news they will repopen is about a month and half old now (I had to go find the atricle) http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/d . . . 012504b.html |
| [20:27:22] | directhex: | titties. |
| [20:27:25] | venkelos: | do you guys have frys where you live? its easily the best computer store |
| [20:27:31] | venkelos: | aside from online stuff |
| [20:27:45] | |Torg|: | best? thats a matter of opinion, yes there are several |
| [20:27:52] | venkelos: | you can return anything no matter the condition |
| [20:28:02] | venkelos: | ive heard friends tell stories where they return stuff thats been in use for years |
| [20:28:03] | iamlindoro__: | I live in the cradle of Fry's :) |
| [20:28:29] | iamlindoro__: | Because it's not shopping for a motherboard unless you walk into an Egyptian temple |
| [20:28:39] | venkelos: | seriously |
| [20:28:44] | |Torg|: | oh we have the cow farm here |
| [20:28:54] | |Torg|: | I like the space ship one personally |
| [20:29:22] | iamlindoro__: | The closest thing to a "normal" store for them is the original, which is (supposedly) a giant microchip |
| [20:29:26] | |Torg|: | the cow farm one is funny. I guess nobody told frys that if you leave cow hide in the Texas sun it becomes lether :) |
| [20:29:30] | directhex: | last time i had to buy a component on the high street was HORRIBLE |
| [20:29:37] | directhex: | i needed a new socket 939 motherboard, urgently |
| [20:30:03] | directhex: | only found one place in oxford that had one – maplins, selling an abit nf8 for £90 ($180), well into the core2 era |
| [20:30:16] | directhex: | old midrange board, £90 |
| [20:30:17] | directhex: | O_o |
| [20:30:18] | |Torg|: | rule 1 dont ask a Frys attendatn for technical help, rule 2 do now where your computer company badge into frys |
| [20:31:07] | directhex: | last xmas, infact |
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| [20:31:42] | venkelos: | ya asking them for help is great, i love it when their salesmen in the computer areas come around |
| [20:31:46] | iamlindoro__: | The thing that steams me about Fry's is the cat and mouse game-- Customer returns something, they don't check it, stick that fucking sticker on it, mark it off 1%, put it back on the floor... they clue in to people not buying that stuff because it's all broken, and they either *hide* the sticker somewhere in the box or just fail to put it on entirely |
| [20:32:03] | venkelos: | i asked em once if i could hook up one of their monitors to its own computer instead of a split signal, and they told me it was impossible |
| [20:32:25] | iamlindoro__: | So you find yourself looking at the shrinkwrap going, "Does this look like the *original* shrinkwrap?" |
| [20:32:42] | venkelos: | oh my frys doesnt act all tricky about it |
| [20:32:49] | venkelos: | the stickers and state of the box is obvious |
| [20:33:03] | |Torg|: | I especiily like the door natzis. becase everyne knows the shoplifting is where al the merchanide goes out the front doo |
| [20:33:20] | iamlindoro__: | Ah the anal probe, always a pleasure |
| [20:34:01] | directhex: | one of my jobs when i worked at pc world was to re-shrink-wrap returns, so they could be sold as new |
| [20:34:14] | Dagmar: | I'd so have reported them for that |
| [20:34:14] | iamlindoro__: | You *bastard* |
| [20:34:16] | Dagmar: | That is not legal |
| [20:34:25] | |Torg|: | directhex nopw I knopw who the lynch, thanks :P |
| [20:34:44] | directhex: | Dagmar, so? most pc world business practices aren't |
| [20:34:45] | hnitsuj: | Dagmar: trouble can only be caused when they get found out |
| [20:34:48] | Dagmar: | Returned items can *not* be sold as new |
| [20:34:57] | stuarta: | !trout re-shrink-wrapping |
| [20:34:57] | ** MythLogBot slaps re-shrink-wrapping with a trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
| [20:35:01] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: That's what the telephone was meant for |
| [20:35:11] | |Torg|: | right Dagmar thats ny frys nouta 5% off sticker on them |
| [20:35:16] | Dagmar: | There's a place about 30 minutes drive north of here that's been spamming Craigslist |
| [20:35:19] | Dagmar: | They sell a lot of laptops |
| [20:35:24] | hnitsuj: | most of the local places here put returns back into stock – I know people who've worked at a lot of them |
| [20:35:26] | directhex: | Dagmar, sure they can. if you can't tell the difference, it's new! |
| [20:35:29] | Dagmar: | Laptops which they have actually gotten from people _giving_ them away |
| [20:35:39] | Dagmar: | Laptops which they then install XP on, and sell to the customer without a licence. |
| [20:35:45] | Dagmar: | Next week will be a VERY bad week for them. |
| [20:35:48] | Dagmar: | <-- made a phone call |
| [20:35:57] | directhex: | Dagmar, pics or it didn't happen! |
| [20:36:19] | directhex: | Dagmar, i admit, when i visited florida, i was amazed at these "flea markets" full of pirate movies.how do they get away with it? |
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| [20:36:30] | Dagmar: | Beause they're not permanent locations |
| [20:36:47] | Dagmar: | It's a little hard for the BSA to come and "get them", but they WILL do it if you call and tell them enough time in advance. |
| [20:36:54] | PatrickDK: | heh, we had microsoft show up to some of those events |
| [20:37:30] | venkelos: | IP is serious business |
| [20:37:49] | directhex: | the internet is serious business! |
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| [20:38:10] | hnitsuj: | directhex: we have that here too. Bowler's every Saturday. All the warez you can think of & more. And dodgy cable/satellite boxes too |
| [20:38:23] | directhex: | dweambox! |
| [20:39:04] | markl__: | ok what are the trade offs to using NFS or iSCSI for my mythtv storage |
| [20:39:12] | markl__: | is anyone out there using iscsi |
| [20:39:23] | directhex: | i've never met someone using iscsi |
| [20:39:23] | PatrickDK: | I use iscsi and nfs |
| [20:39:24] | iamlindoro__: | Well, if you use iSCSI we'll all scratch our heads confusedly when you ask for help |
| [20:39:24] | directhex: | ever |
| [20:39:25] | |Torg|: | for mythtv, no |
| [20:39:34] | markl__: | iamlindoro__: heh |
| [20:39:46] | stuarta: | iscsi is effectively local storage, while nfs is remote |
| [20:39:58] | directhex: | fuck both options. use lustre. |
| [20:40:02] | markl__: | PatrickDK: do you think mythtv would work better with iscsi? |
| [20:40:08] | hnitsuj: | directhex: not just dreambox. I mean like _proper_ dodgy gear |
| [20:40:15] | stuarta: | markl__: i'd use NFS |
| [20:40:19] | directhex: | fuck nfs. fuck iscsi. use lustre! |
| [20:40:23] | iamlindoro__: | Until we have the MythSequenceHumanGenome plugin, as long as you have a decent network NFS ought to be more than enough :) |
| [20:40:26] | PatrickDK: | ya, if you ONLY plan on using one frontend/backend |
| [20:40:47] | directhex: | hnitsuj, damn kids with their hax and their 1337 |
| [20:40:55] | markl__: | actually my #1 problem is watching a show during commercial scanning – skipping 30 seconds takes 15+ seconds |
| [20:41:05] | iamlindoro__: | I have had 6 or so running with NFS mounts across the board-- that's on GigE, admittedly, but never a problem |
| [20:41:10] | markl__: | if i'm recording 2 new hi def shows at the same time |
| [20:41:19] | markl__: | i am also partially looking for an excuse to try iscsi |
| [20:41:33] | hnitsuj: | Bowlers used to make all the warez vendors trade outside on the road. not any more. There's likely only one reason the building has nightclub style bouncers there now too – mainly dealing with people who won't take "no we won't give you a refund for the duff hardware we sold" for an answer |
| [20:41:40] | PatrickDK: | I run gfs over iscsi at work |
| [20:41:40] | markl__: | scanning music takes awhile too on nfs |
| [20:41:46] | |Torg|: | iscsi isnt hard to do, its just that it requires a deceint netowrk and some higer end cpus |
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| [20:42:12] | stuarta: | markl__: try using nfs v3 |
| [20:42:13] | |Torg|: | if you have a fast enugh cpu and can throw away cyles to cpu go on, that or you can get TOE enables NICs, there about $2.5K a pop |
| [20:42:40] | |Torg|: | or you can use NFS v3, strifght out of the box, and the extra 10–20% iscsi will give you is not needed |
| [20:43:12] | markl__: | stuarta: i use nfs v3 already |
| [20:43:15] | |Torg|: | so easy nfs, lless 20% performance, buggy, beta isas using cpu or expensive iscsi with special nic, you decide |
| [20:43:24] | stuarta: | tuned the read and write sizes? |
| [20:44:18] | markl__: | yes. actually the write caching made the biggest difference, e.g. vm.dirty_writeback_centisecs = 100 |
| [20:44:42] | stuarta: | not the vm r/w sizes. the nfs r/w sizes |
| [20:45:30] | directhex: | use lustre! |
| [20:45:47] | ** stuarta tars n feathers directhex ** | |
| [20:46:09] | |Torg|: | gee directhex and I used to think you were smart :P |
| [20:47:29] | hnitsuj: | I used to think |
| [20:47:31] | hnitsuj: | (!) |
| [20:48:43] | directhex: | so did i, but as an undergrad with access to too much booze, i put a stop to that |
| [20:48:56] | directhex: | (wish i was kidding. have to look at my fingers as i type these days) |
| [20:49:35] | |Torg|: | markl_: where do you use iscsi today? |
| [20:49:48] | ** hnitsuj goes to register his nick so he can reply to /msgs ** | |
| [20:50:01] | venkelos: | do you still need to setup 'DMA' when using sata harddrives? i dont even know if dma applies to sata |
| [20:50:10] | ** stuarta chuckles ** | |
| [20:50:20] | iamlindoro__: | hnitsuj, thought your traditional reply to /msgs was "Fuck off, don't msg me!" ;) |
| [20:50:36] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro__: CBA |
| [20:50:49] | |Torg|: | venkelos: ???? |
| [20:50:51] | directhex: | i ignore any and all unsolicited /msgs |
| [20:50:52] | iamlindoro__: | or that |
| [20:51:08] | directhex: | venkelos, technically it applies, no you shouldn't need to set it |
| [20:51:25] | iamlindoro__: | I got a PM asking for help on mythtvtalk this morning... so I wrote back a few choice words and then my PM wouldn't send... so I settled for ignoring him instead |
| [20:51:26] | venkelos: | im trying to debug why my video lags behind audio and needs to drop frames, so just going down the mythtv guide item by item |
| [20:51:48] | hnitsuj: | naw I get so few it's generally easy enough just to ignore on demand these days. plus if people don't know you by reputation... |
| [20:52:06] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro__: one of the reasons the mods are there (or not) |
| [20:52:12] | |Torg|: | venkelos: to expand on what directhex DMA does apply to SATA drives, it is defaulted to on for the all the BIOS settings I have ever seen, and the drivers enable it by default (ie unless you went and screwed with it) |
| [20:52:47] | hnitsuj: | |Torg|: had an ubunuts install which didn't enable it last year. weird city. didn't ever have to change it again though |
| [20:52:47] | venkelos: | oh i see |
| [20:52:49] | iamlindoro__: | hnitsuj, probably the first time I went to the site in a few months, so I too CBA :) |
| [20:54:09] | hnitsuj: | got tired of ranting about PMs for help. maybe they could just be disabled til you've made 1000 posts :P |
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| [20:54:43] | iamlindoro__: | mail |grep "LIRC" >/dev/null |
| [20:55:04] | iamlindoro__: | Because it is *always* effin LIRC |
| [20:55:33] | directhex: | fucking lirc |
| [20:55:37] | directhex: | lirc must die |
| [20:55:58] | stuarta: | or at least be made easy to configure |
| [20:56:19] | directhex: | i don't think that would fix the underlying problems with lirc |
| [20:56:39] | directhex: | the entire design of the thing smells of 2.2 or 2.0 kernel era design semantics |
| [20:57:11] | directhex: | even if you make it "easy to configure" it's still the IR equivalent of esound – pointless shite making the underlying mechanisms worse |
| [20:58:39] | stuarta: | well where do you start designing something better? |
| [20:58:53] | hnitsuj: | now now. if they just come do away with the user's ability to call buttons every name under the sun it'd kill 80% of problems out of the box IMHO |
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| [20:59:17] | hnitsuj: | because hand on heart, that's where the majority of users' problems (who come here) lie |
| [20:59:49] | Deek: | except that's necessary. |
| [20:59:54] | hnitsuj: | hell took me a while to get my head around it |
| [21:00:01] | hnitsuj: | Deek: it's not really |
| [21:00:08] | |Torg|: | I wouldt say lirc cases the most problem, rather it causes the most problem for the less technically inclide, who come here for help |
| [21:00:24] | hnitsuj: | call it button 1, button 2, whatever, then just have the app learn the buttons |
| [21:00:36] | directhex: | stuarta, well, in userland rather than in the kernel, for starters |
| [21:00:45] | directhex: | hnitsuj, the way keyboard multimedia buttons work? |
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| [21:01:00] | directhex: | stuarta, that's where you start. outside fucking device nodes |
| [21:01:05] | hnitsuj: | oh god I never just thought of that. bypass it. assume lirc works, get the user to walk through a wizard. badabing |
| [21:01:43] | Deek: | hnitsuj: What button is my MCE "Up" button? How about the ps2 "Up" button that I don't want to respond to, but need to generate? |
| [21:02:04] | hnitsuj: | Deek: they'll be on different codesets |
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| [21:02:21] | hnitsuj: | what I mean is call all the Up buttons the same bloody thing across the board |
| [21:02:28] | hnitsuj: | so Up means Up |
| [21:02:29] | hnitsuj: | etc |
| [21:02:36] | Deek: | Which need to be treated as the same key in every program... |
| [21:02:47] | Deek: | but which can't be treated the same... |
| [21:03:04] | stuarta: | why not? |
| [21:03:49] | directhex: | you already have the same with your keyboard |
| [21:03:53] | directhex: | a is a is a |
| [21:03:55] | directhex: | up is up is up |
| [21:04:12] | hnitsuj: | directhex: actually a is whatever code your keyboard spits out ;) |
| [21:04:14] | Deek: | lirc receives all IR traffic that hits the receiver. |
| [21:04:26] | Deek: | whether it's intended for you or not. |
| [21:04:33] | hnitsuj: | Deek: yeah but I'm saying the button names should be common |
| [21:04:37] | hnitsuj: | names, not codes |
| [21:04:41] | PatrickDK: | I want the Guide buttons to be broken away from what they are tied to currently |
| [21:04:44] | Deek: | You have to discriminate stuff. |
| [21:04:57] | hnitsuj: | Deek: you've missed the point completely |
| [21:04:58] | PatrickDK: | cause I want channel up/down to be page up/down in the guide |
| [21:05:05] | Deek: | You also have to be able to understand stuff that you don't want to forward. |
| [21:05:27] | hnitsuj: | Deek: I could put a lircd.conf out there where I call the Up button 'pangalacticgargleblaster' & it'll be 'ok' |
| [21:05:38] | hnitsuj: | there's no naming convention |
| [21:05:42] | Deek: | hnitsuj: yes, and I use that functionality. |
| [21:05:42] | directhex: | Deek, fine, so do it. that still doesn't mean a design as broken as lirc |
| [21:06:05] | |Torg|: | why do you think lirc is broken? its trying to make sense of a garbage world |
| [21:06:23] | |Torg|: | hell anyone can make an ir remote, use one of 4 mthogs of transfer, that I know of |
| [21:06:26] | Deek: | (in fact, I need it to keep programs from seeing my VCR remote's commands) |
| [21:06:40] | |Torg|: | inside that use about 50 differnt combinations of pulses, and voila I have a new remote |
| [21:06:56] | hnitsuj: | Deek: unless you have more than one remote codeset in your lircd.conf there's FA to worry about |
| [21:06:56] | |Torg|: | not comes a programmer trying to regin in al the garbage, and you have lirc |
| [21:07:10] | Deek: | hnitsuj: that's the point---I do. |
| [21:07:30] | directhex: | |Torg|, lirc combines many elements, and places them in the wrong places |
| [21:07:46] | directhex: | |Torg|, i mean, fuck, there's *no* excuse for needing to recompile a kernel module depending on hardware setup |
| [21:07:49] | Deek: | Everyone who uses a blaster has more than one codeset. |
| [21:07:53] | hnitsuj: | in any case, myth could easily be made to learn keypresses on first run, wizard style. might even be the kind of thing a lame-ass like me could do |
| [21:08:04] | directhex: | plug a device into one port? compile! into another? compile! |
| [21:08:07] | xris: | iamlindoro__: Second file is also failing. I wonder if maybe there's a resolution/bitrate change in the file, or something like that. |
| [21:08:09] | orthoevra: | does a hotkey or command line switch exist to quick change mythtv to windowed/fullscreen mode? im not finding anything obvious |
| [21:08:17] | hnitsuj: | orthoevra: nope |
| [21:08:25] | orthoevra: | k didnt think so thanks |
| [21:08:28] | jduggan: | anyone have the latest svn compiled on sid? |
| [21:08:28] | iamlindoro__: | xris, shoot... Just fails silently? |
| [21:08:32] | hnitsuj: | switching between windowed/fullscreen requires a reloadtheme() |
| [21:08:33] | hnitsuj: | ;) |
| [21:08:44] | orthoevra: | ohyeah would have to rescale |
| [21:08:47] | xris: | iamlindoro__: it says "Killed." |
| [21:09:14] | xris: | I'm letting it run. maybe it dies when I hit enter a few times (usually to see if it's outputting new data or just the same stuff over and over) |
| [21:09:20] | iamlindoro__: | Erm.. weird. |
| [21:09:49] | iamlindoro__: | theoretically only "q" should kill the encode |
| [21:10:22] | iamlindoro__: | xris, does it leave behind an incomplete muxed file or nothing at all? |
| [21:10:55] | xris: | incomplete file |
| [21:11:02] | iamlindoro__: | xris, would also be a simple matter to sub in mencoder instead for that step if you want to try that |
| [21:11:11] | xris: | ah, good point. |
| [21:11:16] | hnitsuj: | had another read of the 'sucks' thread today. guess it was beyond most of the detractors to realise that fixing some of those things wouldn't be very hard. Mythdvd – press 0 to start transcoding etc.. how about a nice popupski? |
| [21:11:49] | ** xris goes to figure out how to mux something with mencoder. ** | |
| [21:12:03] | iamlindoro__: | heheh, doing the same myself :) |
| [21:12:27] | hnitsuj: | would have a bash 'fixing' that other than the fact it'd give the feckers the wrong impression |
| [21:12:32] | xris: | I only know how to with with "full" files in mencoder. |
| [21:13:24] | iamlindoro__: | I, truthfully, have never had great experiences with mencoder, but don't know what else to try if ffmpeg is dying for you |
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| [21:13:56] | xris: | yeah |
| [21:14:04] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro__: my qam modulator will be comming next week |
| [21:14:07] | xris: | though mencoder is just using the same libraries that ffmleg is. |
| [21:14:18] | xris: | looks to me like ffmpeg is dying in about the same place that mythtranscode does |
| [21:14:37] | iamlindoro__: | xris, yeah, I know theoretically it should all be the same-- have always had trouble with audio sync issues (although the deficiency is certainly with my knowledge, not mencoder) |
| [21:15:13] | iamlindoro__: | xris, hmm, I wonder if it's possible we have differing issues-- if you do mythtranscode from command line, do you get the "Deadlock detected" error, or another one? |
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| [21:15:25] | xris: | segfault, I think |
| [21:15:40] | xris: | it's been awhile since I tried |
| [21:15:51] | iamlindoro__: | Ahhh, perhaps it's different then-- mine dies immediately with the "one buffer is full while the other is empty" Deadlock error |
| [21:16:10] | iamlindoro__: | If so, sorry for getting your hopes up :( |
| [21:17:58] | xris: | yeah, mine's definitely not an immediate thing |
| [21:18:10] | xris: | but with the demux, I wonder if imovie will import the files.... |
| [21:18:23] | xris: | I'd probably still need to buy the mpeg2 codec from apple, though. |
| [21:19:16] | iamlindoro__: | Worth a shot I suppose |
| [21:19:28] | iamlindoro__: | would love to know what chokes your file in ffmpeg |
| [21:20:24] | iamlindoro__: | You might also try PVAStrumento/HDTVtoMpeg2.exe/Mpeg2Repair with WINE, but I never had good success with those |
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| [21:24:15] | waynrdude: | can anyone point me in the right direction of the development of drivers for the rebrand hp hauppage hvr-1500? |
| [21:24:53] | iamlindoro__: | linuxtv.org DVB wiki |
| [21:24:55] | stuarta: | #linuxdvb |
| [21:25:13] | directhex: | sony are ending crt production. trinitron is dead! |
| [21:25:14] | waynrdude: | says i dont have chan op access? |
| [21:26:00] | stuarta: | whoops, maybe that's not the right channel |
| [21:26:09] | orthoevra: | wayn: can u use these http://konstantin.filtschew.de/v4l-firmware/firmware_v4.tgz |
| [21:26:23] | orthoevra: | those are for the 950 but i dunno if they also work for 1500 |
| [21:26:26] | AndyCap: | directhex: projector tubes as well? |
| [21:27:01] | Deek: | btw, anyone else get the 16px borders on the left and bottom of all ivtc captures? |
| [21:27:12] | waynrdude: | orthoevra: would it hurt to try it out and see? |
| [21:27:28] | Deek: | (it's not overscan) |
| [21:27:35] | orthoevra: | waynrdude: more info here http://lunapark6.com/usb-hdtv-tuner-stick-for . . . hvr-950.html |
| [21:27:56] | Deek: | it's always exactly 16px and only on the left and bottom, regardless of capture res. |
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| [21:28:33] | AndyCap: | Deek: Mmm, I've got that here. set the playback to 2% overscan |
| [21:29:01] | Deek: | yeah, 2% overscan with 16px offsets. |
| [21:29:08] | Deek: | +16 and -16 |
| [21:29:28] | Deek: | but it's not my only tuner now. |
| [21:29:35] | AndyCap: | Deek: so you have enabled overscan in mythtv playback? |
| [21:29:44] | Deek: | yeah |
| [21:30:08] | AndyCap: | ok. not what I have then I guess. |
| [21:30:21] | Deek: | AndyCap: what do you get? |
| [21:31:50] | AndyCap: | a little black around the edges in the recordings, but overscan at playback takes care of taht. |
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| [21:33:47] | Deek: | On all ivtv MPEG2 captures (whether 720x480 or 320x480), there is a 16px black border on the left and bottom of the frame. I can make it "disappear" by always capturing at 720x480 and overscanning by 2% with a +16/-16 offset (so the remaining frame is centered)...but now it's not my only tuner, and I'd rather not overscan my HD recordings too. :) |
| [21:35:25] | AndyCap: | Deek: ok. yeah, I was hoping there was something in the ivtv settings to adjust that like an analog tv, but seems there's not. |
| [21:35:51] | Deek: | here's the thing though — because it's not dependent on framesize, it's NOT overscan! |
| [21:38:09] | AndyCap: | afaict it is in the area that normally falls victim to overscan |
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| [21:38:43] | Deek: | Overscan would show up on both sides and have a fuzzy edge. |
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| [21:39:33] | AndyCap: | fuzzy edge? why? |
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| [21:40:37] | Deek: | AndyCap: Because the "overscan area" is just a part of the NTSC frame that broadcasters don't bother to put picture in because it will never be seen. |
| [21:42:01] | AndyCap: | don't see why that makes it fuzzy though. |
| [21:42:28] | hnitsuj: | sometimes just _is_ fuzzy with analogue due to the way analogue works |
| [21:42:41] | hnitsuj: | edges are generally hard with digital sources |
| [21:43:22] | hnitsuj: | Deek: most HDTVs would overscan native HD anyway AFAIK |
| [21:43:54] | directhex: | why would they need to? proper hd souces should fill the frame properly |
| [21:43:58] | hnitsuj: | you won't be missing anything though – broadcasters will still be obeying the safe area rules – or _should_ be |
| [21:44:04] | AndyCap: | hmm, I think Mario had an article about that |
| [21:44:07] | PatrickDK: | hdtv's don't display 1920x1080, they normally so something like 1900x1200 or something |
| [21:44:13] | AndyCap: | http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0081/t.2115.html |
| [21:44:13] | PatrickDK: | and just over/undersample it to fit |
| [21:44:22] | directhex: | Patina, only monitors run 16:10 |
| [21:44:38] | directhex: | PatrickDK, tvs are 16:9. 1920x1080, NOT 1920x1200 |
| [21:45:01] | venkelos: | yer both wrong, tvs are measured in i's |
| [21:45:02] | PatrickDK: | heh? I have seen many tvs that are not 1920x1080 display |
| [21:45:26] | AndyCap: | tv's? doubt it. pc monitors perhaps |
| [21:45:45] | directhex: | PatrickDK, square pixel tvs (i.e. lcd) are 16:9. plasma does whatever stupid res it wants. 1024x1024 for widescreen? why not! |
| [21:46:06] | hnitsuj: | plenty non-square pixel LCD sets too |
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| [21:46:42] | jamesd: | my olevia, works perfectly with a vga input displaying 1920x1080 60hz |
| [21:46:58] | jamesd: | 42" 1080p ... |
| [21:47:06] | directhex: | hnitsuj, not seen any |
| [21:47:06] | PatrickDK: | I'm just saying the tv native resolution doesn't have to be 1920x1080 |
| [21:47:06] | Deek: | AndyCap: Specifically, it's fuzzy because of how scanning works — there aren't a specific number of pixels in a horizontal line of broadcast, it's just a measure of time. |
| [21:47:30] | directhex: | PatrickDK, of course. and usually it isn't. but i have *never* seen a tv with 1920x1200 resolution |
| [21:47:36] | directhex: | 16:10 is the realm of monitors |
| [21:47:42] | hnitsuj: | directhex: we have one in our lab at work. £300 32" piece of crap |
| [21:47:58] | PatrickDK: | I have, you couldn't use the 1200, cause that was covered up on the bottom |
| [21:48:02] | PatrickDK: | but it did exist |
| [21:48:13] | directhex: | hnitsuj, i like to pretend that end of the market doesn't exist, because it all looks terrible |
| [21:48:29] | hnitsuj: | directhex: yo right of course ;) |
| [21:48:41] | iamlindoro__: | Soon enough they're make monitors that display the 1920x1088 and call it "1080p PLUS!" |
| [21:48:45] | hnitsuj: | anyway overscan has never been a bad thing & prolly never will be |
| [21:49:15] | directhex: | PatrickDK, which manufacturer is producing then hiding 0.25mpixels of screen estate? given the sheer cost of producing your screens 11% bigger than required and not using it, that seems like sheer madness |
| [21:49:16] | AndyCap: | Deek: anyhoo, there's some discussion about ivtv and crop on mythtv mailinglist |
| [21:49:31] | AndyCap: | hnitsuj: apart from f**king up pixel-pixel mapping. |
| [21:49:33] | hnitsuj: | unless that is, you like your telly with visible edges ;) |
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| [21:49:54] | hnitsuj: | AndyCap: yeah well, take that to the NAB & EBU |
| [21:50:10] | Deek: | I got an LCD, there're always visible edges. |
| [21:50:45] | directhex: | where's the overscan-safe area on the x264.nl samples? |
| [21:51:30] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, MOAR PIXLS |
| [21:51:41] | directhex: | i can has pixl? |
| [21:51:50] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro__: so you need MOAR MHz? |
| [21:52:03] | AndyCap: | directhex: sauce plz! |
| [21:52:37] | ** directhex finds the standard copypasta ** | |
| [21:52:42] | iamlindoro__: | No no! My PIXLS and MHz live together happily in the hole that my bank account used to occupy |
| [21:52:44] | hnitsuj: | pity that playback profiles don't yet incorporatamablate different overscan (or lack of) settings then |
| [21:53:32] | hnitsuj: | directhex: pretty sure I've seen a half complete line on some HD screenshots out there somewhere. that's damning enough I think |
| [21:53:43] | waynrdude: | can anyone help me troubleshoot why ubuntu doesnt see my tv tuner in my express card slot? |
| [21:53:59] | directhex: | waynrdude, which driver should be serving the device? |
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| [21:55:20] | hnitsuj: | interesting. dialnorm ring any bells to USA peeps? |
| [21:55:41] | waynrdude: | directhex im not too sure i dont think i have a driver for the device i suppose thats why it isnt seeing it huh lol |
| [21:55:47] | AndyCap: | " v4l2-ctl --get-crop" was complete failure, but --all shows some crop settings |
| [21:56:02] | directhex: | waynrdude, really? doesn't windows make all devices work without drivers? |
| [21:56:28] | hnitsuj: | AndyCap: don't take it fer granted cropping works in all versions though eh ;) |
| [21:56:29] | AndyCap: | should show in lspci anyway though |
| [21:56:39] | directhex: | AndyCap, lspci is worthless though |
| [21:56:43] | iamlindoro__: | the hvr-1500 is an experimental driver only IIRC |
| [21:56:57] | AndyCap: | directhex: well, it'll tell us if he actually stuck the card in the machine. :) |
| [21:57:20] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, and you directed him to linuxtv half an hour ago. why are we actually BEHIND step 1? |
| [21:57:46] | AndyCap: | because it's a leapyear |
| [21:57:48] | venkelos: | what are you the step police? |
| [21:58:04] | directhex: | yes |
| [21:58:09] | directhex: | left foot first or i taze you |
| [21:58:09] | hnitsuj: | venkelos: nobody likes repeating information here, and rightly so |
| [21:58:33] | hnitsuj: | the bane of the freetime support peeps – people who don't freakin listen |
| [21:58:56] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Hey, why don't you shut up support him like he's paying you for? And get him a drink while you're at it. |
| [21:59:28] | hnitsuj: | ach well, it's always their loss and if they're too daft to see it they have no real need for a conscooter or whatever they use to get on them thar tubes |
| [21:59:50] | directhex: | http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/g . . . 83762605.jpg |
| [22:00:07] | iamlindoro__: | heheh |
| [22:00:14] | venkelos: | nice |
| [22:00:29] | iamlindoro__: | Hey, if you don't want to personally write him a driver just SAY so |
| [22:00:36] | waynrdude: | directhex did i fail to mention im on kubuntu? -=/ |
| [22:00:51] | iamlindoro__: | The "K" is for FAIL |
| [22:01:36] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro__: see yesterday's Dilbert cartoon for further insight into http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Why_MythTV_Sucks :P |
| [22:01:56] | directhex: | waynrdude, i fail to see the relevance. you asked, and i quote, "can anyone point me in the right direction of the development of drivers for the rebrand hp hauppage hvr-1500?". you were told where to look. where's the logical connect between that and "i'm running kubuntu"? |
| [22:02:18] | iamlindoro__: | Why, Ubuntu "just works" of course! |
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| [22:02:29] | directhex: | iamlindoro, with experimental drivers? |
| [22:02:40] | iamlindoro__: | by installing a thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters to write a driver for anything you may plug in! |
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| [22:03:01] | waynrdude: | <waynrdude> can anyone help me troubleshoot why ubuntu doesnt see my tv tuner in my express card slot? |
| [22:03:07] | waynrdude: | it was in reference to that directhex |
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| [22:03:19] | waynrdude: | someone asked about windows and drivers |
| [22:03:24] | iamlindoro__: | hnitsuj, Hehe, found it-- very apropo |
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| [22:03:57] | hnitsuj: | *ubuntu – everybody is entitled to a free hug (tm) |
| [22:04:39] | hnitsuj: | file that next to 'why you shouldn't smack kids who do wrong' |
| [22:04:46] | directhex: | waynrdude, so. define "doesn't see", for example? detail what steps you already took to determine what's busted, remedial steps taken? |
| [22:05:00] | directhex: | hnitsuj, beat them with a bag of oranges. it doesn't leave a bruise |
| [22:05:00] | iamlindoro__: | waynrdude, the short answer is lspci should show you *something* (although probably not the outright *name* of your card) when you have it plugged in, but that card had experimental driver support only, and digital only IIRC, so if you want support odds are you will 1) be on your own, and b) have to compile your own driver for it |
| [22:05:08] | waynrdude: | i did lspci before and after plugging the device in |
| [22:05:15] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, apparently it's cx88 |
| [22:05:41] | waynrdude: | digital only meaning it will only pick up high def feeds? |
| [22:05:47] | directhex: | waynrdude, and complete lspci output for us to double-check is where exactly? |
| [22:05:50] | iamlindoro__: | digital != HD |
| [22:05:55] | venkelos: | theres non-hd digital |
| [22:06:01] | directhex: | does digital really == hd in yankland? O_o |
| [22:06:03] | waynrdude: | so it will only pick up digital channels |
| [22:06:17] | iamlindoro__: | "WinTV-HVR-1500 ATSC ExpressCard No " |
| [22:06:18] | waynrdude: | if thats the case im ok with that because most of the channels in my area are digital |
| [22:06:24] | CCFL_Man2: | directhex: yeah, people don't know the difference |
| [22:06:29] | iamlindoro__: | That "No" is under a column called "supported" |
| [22:06:34] | hnitsuj: | waynrdude: to get newer digital tuner devices to work generally requires the use of code from linuxtv.org's hg repository – requires a modicum of brain juice to figure out how to make it work |
| [22:06:38] | waynrdude: | iamlindoro where is that page? |
| [22:06:44] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge |
| [22:06:48] | waynrdude: | ty |
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| [22:07:15] | waynrdude: | is there work being done to get it supported? |
| [22:07:17] | directhex: | iamlindoro, shown as "supported" with NO EXTRA DETAILS YAAAARGH on http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCMCIA_Cards |
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| [22:07:36] | hnitsuj: | the wiki isn't gospel though |
| [22:07:43] | ** hnitsuj mutters something about lazy people ** | |
| [22:07:44] | iamlindoro__: | Mythtv != LinuxTV |
| [22:07:54] | iamlindoro__: | hnitsuj, Shhhh, i'm trying to get us on to another topic |
| [22:08:16] | hnitsuj: | aaaaaaanyway, I got more teevee to watch </gloat> |
| [22:08:17] | directhex: | y'know hnitsuj is a really annoying nick |
| [22:08:24] | waynrdude: | if you dont want to answer my questions that is all you have to say really |
| [22:08:32] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, As I recall there is some reference to the HP Expresscard version somewhere in there that links to the Hg repos driver, but Hell If I know where that was |
| [22:08:39] | hnitsuj: | directhex: less annoying for justdave though |
| [22:09:29] | hnitsuj: | and better that than "character from the Matrix but spelled with numbers" :P |
| [22:09:31] | waynrdude: | where might i follow the development of the CX23885/7 driver? |
| [22:09:35] | justdave: | hahaha. nice |
| [22:09:38] | directhex: | waynrdude, you know the expression "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink"? now consider people who say "help, but i won't answer any questions, give any diagnostic output, or provide details of what i'm doing" |
| [22:09:41] | hnitsuj: | waynrdude: the linuxtv.org mailing list |
| [22:09:44] | iamlindoro__: | waynrdude, Bro, you're getting answers, you have like four people looking up all the information *for* you! How many ways should we tell you that the card support is experimental only and that linuxtv is the place to learn/look? |
| [22:10:43] | hnitsuj: | "light a man a fire & keep him warm for a night.. set a man on fire & he's warm for life...".. IIRC |
| [22:10:45] | waynrdude: | i noticed i was getting answers i was referring to the desire to change topic |
| [22:11:16] | directhex: | waynrdude, so, the lspci output and other details i asked for 10 minutes ago. how they coming along? |
| [22:11:21] | iamlindoro__: | I *always* find myself wanting to change the topic when I answer a question three times-- call me crazy |
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| [22:11:37] | waynrdude: | i would have to switch computers |
| [22:11:43] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro__: when you find yourself in that situation, just.... |
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| [22:11:55] | directhex: | waynrdude, can you see why you might be considered unhelpable? you're actively fighting to be not helped |
| [22:11:59] | iamlindoro__: | heh |
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| [22:12:25] | venkelos: | you dont have sshd running on the box? |
| [22:12:30] | venkelos: | it should be illegal to not have ssh running |
| [22:12:33] | iamlindoro__: | Actually this is remarkably civil talk for this room... I haven't even sworn yet! |
| [22:12:33] | CCFL_Man2: | waynrdude: plus express card stuff is new |
| [22:12:41] | jduggan: | out of interest, do the nvidia linux drivers support the hdmi ports on the newer cards that have them |
| [22:12:45] | directhex: | iamlindoro, cuntflaps |
| [22:12:49] | iamlindoro__: | jduggan, yeah |
| [22:12:51] | directhex: | jduggan, video, yes |
| [22:12:57] | CCFL_Man2: | jduggan: hdmi ftl |
| [22:13:09] | unagi: | here is the lspci directhex |
| [22:13:11] | unagi: | http://pastebin.ca/926910 |
| [22:13:11] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Ewwwwww, i'll never look at the female form the same way again |
| [22:13:18] | jduggan: | CCFL_Man2: why is that |
| [22:13:26] | jduggan: | directhex: thanks |
| [22:13:26] | orthoevra: | O.o |
| [22:13:42] | jduggan: | i've no desire to buy one, it was purely out of interest =] |
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| [22:14:09] | iamlindoro__: | Wonder if this particular card is using the Expresscard USB interface |
| [22:14:21] | CCFL_Man2: | jduggan: hdmi has copy protection, i hate it |
| [22:14:36] | iamlindoro__: | HDMI *supports* copy protection, none of that tomfoolery in linux |
| [22:14:45] | iamlindoro__: | DVI supports the same HDCP |
| [22:14:52] | directhex: | waynrdude, sudo modprobe pciehp pciehp_force=1 |
| [22:15:26] | unagi: | there it is directhex > 03:00.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Unknown device 8852 (rev 02) |
| [22:15:48] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro__: oh i know, i just prefer hd-sdi :P |
| [22:15:57] | directhex: | unagi, now try to modprobe cx88-dvb |
| [22:16:06] | iamlindoro__: | You prefer *every* bizarre expensive format |
| [22:16:18] | ** directhex throws betamax tapes at CCFL_Man2 ** | |
| [22:16:22] | directhex: | wait, no |
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| [22:16:23] | venkelos: | i notice a lot of users run 7xxx nvidia cards, and im running an 8xxx at home, there was some mention on the mythtv wiki (though i forget what page) that >= 8xxx doesnt support XvMC, is this a problem for watching HD and do i actually need to downgrade to a weaker card? |
| [22:16:28] | ** directhex throws video2000 tapes at CCFL_Man2 ** | |
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| [22:16:40] | directhex: | venkelos, never use xvmc if you can help it |
| [22:16:42] | unagi: | can i paste 3 lines here? |
| [22:16:51] | venkelos: | oh ok |
| [22:16:54] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro__: it should have been the consumer interconnection |
| [22:16:56] | CCFL_Man2: | lol |
| [22:16:59] | iamlindoro__: | AHHHHH this is the same guy I had a fight with about this same exact topic like a month ago! |
| [22:17:06] | unagi: | WARNING: Error inserting cx88xx (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88xx.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) WARNING: Error inserting cx8802 (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx8802.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) FATAL: Error inserting cx88_dvb |
| [22:17:06] | unagi: | (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88-dvb.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| [22:17:09] | iamlindoro__: | re: HP Expresscard |
| [22:17:13] | unagi: | whoa that was more than i thought it was |
| [22:17:21] | unagi: | sorry =( |
| [22:17:26] | ** iamlindoro__ grumbles angrily ** | |
| [22:17:37] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, with the same fix? |
| [22:17:45] | iamlindoro__: | unagi, As I recall, I referred you to LinuxTV over a MONTH ago |
| [22:17:52] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, This is all fucking deja vu |
| [22:17:54] | directhex: | unagi, your cx88 modules seem busted. have you done weird things with them? |
| [22:17:59] | unagi: | no |
| [22:18:08] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, i just googled "expresscard ubuntu" and clicked the top link. answer was in there |
| [22:18:11] | CCFL_Man2: | video2000 was evil |
| [22:19:03] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, Even if you get the expresscard slot working, he'll still be back in a month getting re-re-referred to LinuxTV |
| [22:19:14] | unagi: | the expresscard is working |
| [22:19:15] | val-at-ofc: | hey, i've got a Hauppauge winpvr-usb2 — works great so far — but now I'm trying to using mythfrontend from work on my system at home, which _barely_ works... I understand that mythbackend is just writing the mpeg to disk, which gets sent to the remote mythfrontend...but the video itself is an 8 megabit stream....is there any way to reduce the video bandwidth of the stream being captured by the winpvr-usb2? |
| [22:19:24] | iamlindoro__: | SINCE THE FUCKING CARD IS FUCKING EXPERIFUCKINGMENTALLY SUFUCKINGPORTED! |
| [22:19:24] | directhex: | iamlindoro, already working. first link on google, first suggested fix, worked |
| [22:19:36] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, well unknown symbols are bad |
| [22:19:39] | unagi: | chill out man you are worse than my 10 month old nephew |
| [22:19:56] | unagi: | /ignore works wonders if it bothers you so much |
| [22:19:56] | iamlindoro__: | unagi, Your 10 month old nephew has a filthy mouth |
| [22:20:02] | directhex: | unagi, does your ten month old nephew do the "why? why? why? why?" thing yet? |
| [22:20:08] | unagi: | no not yet =) |
| [22:20:18] | directhex: | unagi, imagine getting that every minute you're on irc |
| [22:20:41] | ** iamlindoro__ remembers the scene in "Hot Fuzz" with the swear box. ** | |
| [22:20:42] | unagi: | lol if you dont want to help me you dont have to just say the word. these wikis are confusing to me |
| [22:20:52] | directhex: | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ExpressCard |
| [22:21:01] | directhex: | "Express Cards are like PCMIA cards but much faster.They come in two sizes one larger and one smaller. You can plug a card made for a smaller slot into a bigger slot but not vice versa. Currently there are few cards in this format." |
| [22:21:06] | directhex: | "sudo modprobe pciehp pciehp_force=1" |
| [22:21:22] | directhex: | hard to be much more succinct really. but maybe that's just me. i've been doing this shit for many years |
| [22:21:32] | unagi: | directhex i already did that |
| [22:21:37] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, what, reading? ;) |
| [22:21:50] | unagi: | :D |
| [22:22:21] | iamlindoro__: | Good god, someone made a Youtube VIDEO re: ubuntu Expresscard |
| [22:22:24] | directhex: | unagi, but why did it take me googling "expresscard ubuntu" for you? wasn't that a completely fucking obvious thing to do? that's why iamlindoro is pissed |
| [22:22:51] | iamlindoro__: | Next thing you know Cases will have LCDs on the front so we can see an animated example of hitting the power button |
| [22:22:53] | iamlindoro__: | oh wait... |
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| [22:23:24] | iamlindoro__: | Actually, I just want to get voted "Most Likely to be Justinh 2008" |
| [22:23:46] | unagi: | because perhaps i didnt search the same string you did and i couldnt get an answer |
| [22:24:01] | unagi: | i believe my initial question regarding that was, do i need to install drivers for ubuntu to see the device in the slot |
| [22:24:05] | iamlindoro__: | Ya hear that? You with your googling of relevant words... |
| [22:24:21] | unagi: | you really are an ass |
| [22:24:25] | iamlindoro__: | And how! |
| [22:24:44] | unagi: | moving on |
| [22:24:51] | iamlindoro__: | Oh how i wish we could |
| [22:24:58] | directhex: | unagi, the slot itself wasn't detected. that's the somewhat bigger original issue |
| [22:25:07] | venkelos: | i dont believe in googling with words cuz you can never get the phrases right, i just google by the most generic subject i can think of 'ie computers' and then manually scan the data |
| [22:25:31] | unagi: | directhex after that command i now see it.......does that not help? |
| [22:25:44] | iamlindoro__: | venkelos, hehe |
| [22:25:46] | directhex: | unagi, yes, it helps. do you want that fixed permanently? |
| [22:25:51] | PatrickDK: | heh, I find what I am looking for on google 99% of the time, with the first 5 hits |
| [22:25:55] | unagi: | sure |
| [22:26:12] | directhex: | unagi, open a root terminal (sudo -i) |
| [22:26:24] | unagi: | ok |
| [22:26:51] | directhex: | unagi, then: echo "options pciehp pciehp_force=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/furiousbadgers |
| [22:27:04] | unagi: | ok |
| [22:27:10] | iamlindoro__: | heh |
| [22:27:13] | directhex: | and finally: echo pciehp >> /etc/modules |
| [22:27:24] | unagi: | done |
| [22:27:49] | directhex: | done. bam. reboot, and you'll have expresscard support again. i'm still a little concerned about these symbols on the cx88 driver. have you run an update recently without rebooting? |
| [22:28:07] | unagi: | i just installed a driver from a link given to me earlier |
| [22:28:27] | jduggan: | *** glibc detected *** mythfilldatabase: corrupted double-linked list: 0x0816dc30 *** |
| [22:28:30] | jduggan: | Segmentation fault |
| [22:28:37] | unagi: | i shall reboot i will brb |
| [22:28:41] | jduggan: | uhm? :o |
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| [22:29:21] | waynrdude: | i grew up with windows so linux is still somewhat new to me as far as drivers |
| [22:29:26] | directhex: | well that killed the konversation |
| [22:29:29] | directhex: | badum*tish* |
| [22:29:39] | iamlindoro__: | on the kontrary |
| [22:29:47] | iamlindoro__: | he has another komputer |
| [22:30:24] | directhex: | windows has very tight coupling between devices and drivers (even changing the usb port something is plugged into forces a driver reinstall) |
| [22:30:42] | directhex: | linux works on more of a "try and just generally load a driver, driver decides whether it has a job to do or not" approach |
| [22:30:53] | directhex: | and for the most part, those drivers are loaded automatically |
| [22:31:56] | directhex: | so loading the module "cx88-dvb" should generally just load the conexant CXxx88x digital tv driver and any dependant drivers, do all required voodoo, set up device nodes, etc |
| [22:32:29] | directhex: | loading snd-emu10k1 loads the sound blaster live/audigy driver and all required sound infrastructure drivers |
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| [22:32:37] | mrunagi: | ok done rebooting |
| [22:32:52] | directhex: | /etc/modules is a list of override drivers to load, if automatic driver loading missed anything |
| [22:32:59] | mrunagi: | now im getting 2 more errors with modprobe |
| [22:33:12] | mrunagi: | perhaps i installed the wrong driver |
| [22:33:16] | directhex: | elaborate |
| [22:33:19] | venkelos: | my linux driver experience is this: turn everything i think i might have on in kernel, then install kernel, reboot if system works have a beer, then turn off a couple things in kernel and try again, if system works have a beer, repeat |
| [22:33:50] | mrunagi: | this is what i tried http://lunapark6.com/usb-hdtv-tuner-stick-for . . . hvr-950.html |
| [22:33:53] | directhex: | venkelos, those of us running binary distros can skip straight to the beer |
| [22:34:00] | venkelos: | ya but you only get 1 |
| [22:34:04] | venkelos: | i get *many* |
| [22:34:33] | iamlindoro__: | Mmmm, linux drinking games... |
| [22:35:09] | iamlindoro__: | Every time someone needs LIRC help you CHUG |
| [22:35:10] | directhex: | mrunagi, using hg was a good step, but em2880-dvb is the wrong driver for your card |
| [22:35:13] | venkelos: | i dont like dealing with loading and unloading modules, which is probably why i dont mind all the headache at the first install |
| [22:35:24] | directhex: | mrunagi, you're definitely trying "modprobe cx88-dvb"? |
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| [22:36:02] | directhex: | venkelos, what headache? as opposed to running make menuconfig, edit, wait 20 mins for a recompile, test, rinse, repeat, then find you missed something you need 6 months later? |
| [22:36:24] | venkelos: | oh i use gentoo-sources kernel, make && make modules_install is as quick as there are differences from the last |
| [22:36:29] | venkelos: | so typical is less than 10 seconds |
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| [22:36:42] | black_Nightmare_: | any of you ever dealt with powercolour tv tuner cards before? |
| [22:37:13] | iamlindoro__: | If you mean the PCI Express ones, odds are they're unsupported |
| [22:37:22] | black_Nightmare_: | pci actually |
| [22:37:39] | directhex: | powercolor? aren't they an ati shop? |
| [22:37:40] | black_Nightmare_: | and I'm not sure where that silly chipset list on wiki was again but it mentions its CX2388X chipset |
| [22:38:04] | venkelos: | doesnt lspci also list chipset? |
| [22:38:18] | iamlindoro__: | Why not buy a well-known tuner? |
| [22:38:42] | black_Nightmare_: | iamlindoro..almost mo stores even have much anymore... save sometimes occassional $100+ cards which isn't my kind of mood :/ |
| [22:38:57] | iamlindoro__: | What format are you trying to capture? |
| [22:39:03] | black_Nightmare_: | neverminding there was one hdtv for more than $200 0_o |
| [22:39:10] | black_Nightmare_: | iamlindoro..just tv channels alone |
| [22:39:19] | iamlindoro__: | ATSC, analog, ?? |
| [22:39:26] | black_Nightmare_: | oh heh |
| [22:39:38] | black_Nightmare_: | just plain antenna sorry :p (ntsc even) |
| [22:39:54] | iamlindoro__: | What's wrong with a nice cheap PVR-150 then? |
| [22:40:19] | iamlindoro__: | And if you want digital, a Kworld 110 |
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| [22:41:04] | venkelos: | man this linuxtv.org is a great resource |
| [22:41:51] | directhex: | linux dvb driver developer site in "has info on linux dvb drivers" shocker? |
| [22:42:20] | black_Nightmare_: | its $81 for bare PVR-150 card (no cables/cd/etc even) plus about 500ish km distance mail order expense |
| [22:42:32] | black_Nightmare_: | -_- |
| [22:42:42] | iamlindoro__: | Won't newegg ship to canada? $54 |
| [22:42:59] | venkelos: | i wouldnt blame newegg if they didnt |
| [22:43:18] | mrunagi: | sudo modprobe cx88-dvb |
| [22:43:26] | PatrickDK: | heh? people actually live in canada? |
| [22:43:34] | jamesd: | why would anyone in the U.S. not a want a digital card... analog is going away next year and the picture rocks. |
| [22:43:45] | black_Nightmare_: | umm jamesd... |
| [22:43:48] | iamlindoro__: | jamesd, He is .ca, but you're still right |
| [22:43:52] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.directdial.com/274.html |
| [22:43:53] | black_Nightmare_: | digital does NOT even work well several times around here |
| [22:44:01] | iamlindoro__: | $69, canadian retailer |
| [22:44:08] | directhex: | mrunagi, that's the right driver, in theory |
| [22:44:31] | black_Nightmare_: | (and not surprisingly I often have to signal-boost two particular channels at times to get nice pictures at times) |
| [22:44:58] | mrunagi: | is there something else i should try? |
| [22:45:13] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . p;CatId=1427 |
| [22:45:15] | black_Nightmare_: | talk about hilly country |
| [22:45:21] | iamlindoro__: | And there's a nice, well supported Kworld ATSC card |
| [22:45:53] | iamlindoro__: | so $69 for an analog card, $85 for a digital card, both known goods-- Don't buy marginal stuff that nobody has ever heard of! |
| [22:46:15] | black_Nightmare_: | umm excuse me |
| [22:46:24] | black_Nightmare_: | powercolour has been an ati agp card name for a long time |
| [22:46:26] | black_Nightmare_: | ;) |
| [22:46:44] | venkelos: | maybe in canada |
| [22:46:51] | black_Nightmare_: | no..usa stores have so many of them |
| [22:46:57] | black_Nightmare_: | same for xfx/etc |
| [22:47:02] | iamlindoro__: | When the term "powercolor/powercolour" returns even *1* result on the linuxtv wiki, we'll talk |
| [22:47:37] | iamlindoro__: | So don't get butt-hurt about it, I'm sorry I insulted the card you were considering maybe talking about buying-- but buy a card that's actually properly supported instead! |
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| [22:47:53] | venkelos: | i dont think iamlidoro is sorry at all |
| [22:47:58] | iamlindoro__: | That' |
| [22:48:00] | iamlindoro__: | That's true |
| [22:48:02] | iamlindoro__: | ;) |
| [22:48:25] | AcTiVaTe: | Hmz, getting messages like "em28xx: disagrees about version of symbol video_unregister_device" and it used to work. Anyone have a pointer? |
| [22:48:38] | fryfrog: | i have a pointer! my finger! |
| [22:48:40] | ** fryfrog points ** | |
| [22:48:44] | fryfrog: | mwhahaha |
| [22:48:45] | AcTiVaTe: | That's deprecated |
| [22:48:47] | fryfrog: | i'm so helpful :) |
| [22:48:50] | AcTiVaTe: | use a laser |
| [22:48:56] | fryfrog: | mmm, lasers |
| [22:49:11] | venkelos: | wait for lasers to become better supported, use a telescoping rod in the meantime |
| [22:49:16] | Dagmar: | Rebuild the kernel and the drivers and the message will _probably_ go away |
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| [22:49:53] | AcTiVaTe: | Well, since I never even built the kernel in the 1st place and it used to work, soz not gonna try it |
| [22:50:04] | AcTiVaTe: | Not for a _probably_ ;) |
| [22:50:20] | directhex: | mrunagi, if you're still getting symbol-related errors, then your cx88 module is busted – possibly an issue when you compiled the newer driver, against the wrong set of kernel headers |
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| [22:50:43] | mrunagi: | am i to uninstall the busted compiled driver? |
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| [22:51:18] | Dagmar: | Just write oevr it |
| [22:51:27] | mrunagi: | ok |
| [22:51:43] | Dagmar: | A "clean" compile should just stomp each and every file back into shape |
| [22:52:15] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: i ordered my rl drake qam modulator today |
| [22:52:22] | venkelos: | that seems dangerous, are you compiling via makefile or something else? id just run make uninstall and make clean if it exists |
| [22:52:30] | venkelos: | it couldnt hurt |
| [22:52:43] | Dagmar: | I wouldn't even bother with `make uninstall` |
| [22:53:07] | venkelos: | you never know if hes updating to a new version maybe it leaves some old links or something laying about |
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| [22:54:27] | mrunagi: | brb |
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| [22:55:00] | CCFL_Man2: | i'd like to het a hddvd player with hd-sdi |
| [22:55:17] | directhex: | freak |
| [22:55:59] | waynrdude: | would v4l drivers benifit my problem im having with my conexant card? |
| [22:56:07] | waynrdude: | its not a tv tuner it just has 4 bnc connectors |
| [22:56:26] | Dagmar: | Drivers might help you use it, yes. |
| [22:56:32] | CCFL_Man2: | i'll miss hd dvd, mainly because the drm was broken completely, and it had no region coding |
| [22:56:34] | waynrdude: | i might try that too |
| [22:56:43] | waynrdude: | hd dvd is going away? |
| [22:56:43] | Dagmar: | Software. It does things. And Stuff. Imagine that. |
| [22:57:02] | directhex: | hd-dvd is dead |
| [22:57:07] | directhex: | buried |
| [22:57:10] | directhex: | RIP |
| [22:57:38] | jduggan: | my brother nearly died when i told him that |
| [22:57:47] | jduggan: | he'd spent out for an xbox hddvd drive |
| [22:57:53] | jduggan: | and about 6 dvds |
| [22:58:19] | Dagmar: | heheh |
| [22:58:19] | directhex: | the xbox drive is $50 now |
| [22:58:21] | CCFL_Man2: | blu ray is the technically better format, but it's not implemented properly, hddvd had all it's benefits implemented properly |
| [22:58:22] | Dagmar: | Ebay it off quick |
| [22:58:30] | directhex: | CCFL_Man2, it only wins out on storage capacity |
| [22:58:37] | directhex: | CCFL_Man2, all interactive stuff is better on hd |
| [22:58:49] | CCFL_Man2: | directhex: exactly |
| [22:58:53] | jduggan: | and iirc they're changing some stuff on blueray? |
| [22:59:06] | jduggan: | so all the old players probably wont play some newer stuff |
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| [22:59:25] | venkelos: | lol is hddvd gonna be like laser disk with everyone crying over it being the superior format? |
| [22:59:26] | CCFL_Man2: | jduggan: yeah |
| [22:59:26] | mrunagi: | now the only error i am getting is FATAL: Error inserting cx88_dvb (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88-dvb.ko): No such device |
| [22:59:43] | Dagmar: | Usually a sign that you're loading the wrong driver |
| [22:59:57] | Dagmar: | You shouldn't have to *explicitly* load modules for any PCI deviecs |
| [23:00:00] | ** AcTiVaTe does make clean and make in v4l-dvb-kernel ** | |
| [23:00:02] | mrunagi: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_ . . . _Box_Support is the one i just installed |
| [23:00:07] | CCFL_Man2: | venkelos: laser disc is superior to vhs, yes |
| [23:00:22] | venkelos: | i thought laser disc was suppose to be superior to dvd |
| [23:00:25] | mrunagi: | hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb |
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| [23:01:22] | CCFL_Man2: | venkelos: here i thought they'd be the same |
| [23:01:37] | CCFL_Man2: | oh it is, because laser disc video is not compressed |
| [23:01:52] | CCFL_Man2: | it's not even digital |
| [23:02:18] | Dagmar: | It uses lasers pewpewpew |
| [23:02:19] | venkelos: | ya, so if you ever want to compete with another video format just make sure yours is inferior |
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| [23:03:01] | CCFL_Man2: | we need an open format |
| [23:03:07] | CCFL_Man2: | without royalties |
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| [23:03:18] | Dagmar: | theora |
| [23:04:45] | CCFL_Man2: | well, h.264 is fine |
| [23:05:02] | mrunagi: | maybe the wiki is wrong about half support |
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| [23:09:07] | iamlindoro_: | Haha, you said "pewpewpew" |
| [23:09:27] | venkelos: | wow im reading about interlacing and deinterlacing, what a fuckin stupid thing to have in hd |
| [23:10:28] | CCFL_Man2: | interlacing is stupid to have in hd |
| [23:11:56] | iamlindoro_: | When the HD standards were being set forth, everyone owned some type of CRT... it made perfect sense then |
| [23:12:42] | CCFL_Man2: | but progressive looks great on crts |
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| [23:13:38] | venkelos: | ya it seems entirely based on having less information transmitted and then presumably lower costs, but there should have been a momement when people stopped and said, wait if we are talking hd, why are we bothering with worrying about costs |
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| [23:14:07] | CCFL_Man2: | why exactly were interlaced resolutions even used? |
| [23:14:18] | venkelos: | cuz you only need to transmit half the data |
| [23:14:22] | venkelos: | if im reading this right |
| [23:14:30] | CCFL_Man2: | bandwidth issues? |
| [23:14:38] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [23:14:40] | Dagmar: | You're not. |
| [23:14:51] | Dagmar: | I and P use the same amount of bandwidth |
| [23:15:01] | venkelos: | then why does i exist? |
| [23:15:13] | Dagmar: | Because TVs are crappier than you think |
| [23:16:01] | Dagmar: | Remember, those phosphor tubes have a pretty serious hang-time on how long they stay lit |
| [23:16:19] | venkelos: | oic |
| [23:16:52] | venkelos: | but wouldnt it be better to just have the software in the tv to chop up the signal |
| [23:16:59] | Dagmar: | ...and this was something that came into play well over 30 years ago |
| [23:17:14] | Dagmar: | So, technology as old as your grandfather was involved |
| [23:18:08] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: whats the reason for 1080i though? |
| [23:18:21] | CCFL_Man2: | or even say 575i |
| [23:18:28] | Dagmar: | Circuits/code is already in there |
| [23:18:31] | CCFL_Man2: | if thats even real |
| [23:18:51] | Dagmar: | You *could* do it with any stuff capable of 1080p as well as 480i |
| [23:19:00] | Dagmar: | there's just not a lot of point |
| [23:19:40] | Dagmar: | The only good reason I know of would be if for some reason it were recorded in interlaced format to begin with |
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| [23:21:10] | CCFL_Man2: | i forget what the other "hdtv" resolutions were |
| [23:24:30] | fryfrog: | 1280x720 (720p)? |
| [23:24:44] | fryfrog: | 1920x1080 (1080i/p)? |
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| [23:28:35] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm on second thought... |
| [23:28:52] | black_Nightmare_: | not sure about stock but there's one local store with a msi tv-fm pci card for $49cad |
| [23:29:46] | Dagmar: | You don't want it |
| [23:29:57] | fryfrog: | black_Nightmare_: what are you trying to do, pick a card for mythtv? |
| [23:31:10] | iamlindoro_: | black_Nightmare_: You know, we aren't (just) being assholes when we tell you to buy a card that's well-supported... we're not making the stuff up here |
| [23:31:27] | venkelos: | im just being one |
| [23:31:40] | AcTiVaTe: | Just for the occasion? |
| [23:31:43] | venkelos: | ya |
| [23:32:05] | fryfrog: | black_Nightmare_: if you want to *test* mythtv, get a $5 bttv card from ebay. |
| [23:32:12] | venkelos: | also cuz im bored at work, and ive already spent 3 hours staring at the fish tank so ive nothing else to do |
| [23:32:14] | fryfrog: | if you are going to use mythtv, get a pvr150 |
| [23:32:26] | fryfrog: | er, assuming you aren't talking about ATSC or DVB? |
| [23:32:32] | ** AcTiVaTe likes his bttv card ;) ** | |
| [23:33:02] | ** jamesd and his wife love the dual kworld 115's a bit hard to configure but it rocks... ** | |
| [23:33:23] | venkelos: | d as in dean!?! |
| [23:33:37] | fryfrog: | zomg, james dean on the irc! |
| [23:33:38] | jamesd: | no as in dickens, my last name |
| [23:33:47] | fryfrog: | i *new* they had irc in the after life! |
| [23:33:49] | AcTiVaTe: | Any relation? |
| [23:33:52] | fryfrog: | knew, even |
| [23:34:13] | jamesd: | AcTiVaTe, yeah some distant cousin .. or something |
| [23:34:16] | AcTiVaTe: | I read "A Sale of Two Titties" for school |
| [23:34:27] | ** AcTiVaTe stinks at literature ** | |
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| [23:34:44] | fryfrog: | I think I had to do an indept book report on some dickens book, |
| [23:34:50] | fryfrog: | it was so boring, I couldn't even read it :/ |
| [23:34:54] | Aval0n: | !seen |torg| |
| [23:34:54] | MythLogBot: | |torg| is here and has been idle for 2 hours 27 minutes 58 seconds |
| [23:34:58] | Aval0n: | woot |
| [23:34:59] | jamesd: | AcTiVaTe, that sounds like a verry low budget pr0n flick. |
| [23:35:06] | iamlindoro_: | uh oh, now he's in trouble |
| [23:35:11] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [23:35:17] | Aval0n: | hey iamlindoro what's new |
| [23:35:36] | AcTiVaTe: | jamesd: Always fun to turn in for literature book report =) |
| [23:35:36] | iamlindoro_: | same ol same ol |
| [23:35:51] | AcTiVaTe: | jamesd: "My dad had the movie so I just watched that and made the report" |
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| [23:36:00] | Aval0n: | lol cool |
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| [23:36:06] | Aval0n: | brb gotta rebootski |
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| [23:37:55] | AcTiVaTe: | Hmz, sillyness |
| [23:38:25] | AcTiVaTe: | When I modprobe em2880_dvb 1st and then after em28xx I don't get the messages about videodev_release blabla |
| [23:38:40] | ** AcTiVaTe only uses analogue signal ;) ** | |
| [23:39:18] | black_Nightmare_: | dagmar...thanks anyhow....hm...guess like I thought I'll just stick to the old agp card's tv tuner for now – works with bsd via vlc anyhow :| |
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| [23:39:27] | black_Nightmare_: | either way brb to eat ^_^ |
| [23:40:24] | danzigrules: | anyone around that knows about firewire and mythbuntu? |
| [23:40:47] | ** iamlindoro_ whistles and walks slowly towards the kitchen ** | |
| [23:42:17] | danzigrules: | firechan, error unable to get handle for port 0 error no valid capture cards are defind in database.... plugreport works and I set the port and node to what it said |
| [23:43:05] | AcTiVaTe: | From a message liek that I'd probaly start mythtv-setup and check the capture cards |
| [23:43:10] | AcTiVaTe: | s/liek/like |
| [23:43:36] | danzigrules: | yeah, have done that a few times |
| [23:44:56] | iamlindoro_: | It is pitch black in here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue. |
| [23:45:10] | AcTiVaTe: | And a mysqlcheck -uuser -ppassword mythconverg ? |
| [23:45:22] | ** AcTiVaTe lights a torch ** | |
| [23:46:01] | iamlindoro_: | UNDERGROUND CAVERN – You see a vast underground cavern stretching off in all directions. Exits are N, NE, E, SE, S, SW, W, NW |
| [23:47:23] | CCFL_Man2: | uhf channels 70 to 83 were removed in the 80s |
| [23:47:56] | iamlindoro_: | Try saying that a different way. You can't "uhf" |
| [23:48:34] | Dagmar: | He's actually correct |
| [23:49:02] | Dagmar: | US TV's that tuned UHF channels 14 – 83 dropped the upper range of them because it hehe allowed you to listen to cell phone calls. |
| [23:49:09] | iamlindoro_: | *sigh* Clearly everyone else didn't grow up with the "Zork" parser as their best friend. |
| [23:49:30] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm not sure how else to say ity |
| [23:49:47] | iamlindoro_: | You're too young, never mind, it's a joke |
| [23:49:55] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: i thought it was to satisfy the mobile phone companies |
| [23:50:01] | Dagmar: | It was |
| [23:50:01] | CCFL_Man2: | oh, lol |
| [23:50:17] | Dagmar: | They had this "thing" about people being able to use cheap portable TVs to eavesdrop on people's cell phone calls. |
| [23:50:18] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [23:50:26] | Dagmar: | I had one that ran on D batteries |
| [23:50:59] | Dagmar: | Cell phones were using frequencies in the range of UHF channels 70–83. |
| [23:51:10] | CCFL_Man2: | i thought it was because the fcc wasn't going to assign those channels anymore |
| [23:51:22] | Dagmar: | No, it was because they were given to cell phones |
| [23:51:38] | Dagmar: | ...and the cell people were too lazy to use something other than FM in their bagphones |
| [23:51:39] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh |
| [23:51:52] | CCFL_Man2: | lol |
| [23:52:06] | Dagmar: | So, the video might be static, but you could listen to people's cell phone calls all over the place. |
| [23:52:06] | CCFL_Man2: | did cordless phones ever use those frequencies? |
| [23:52:12] | Dagmar: | Nope |
| [23:52:30] | PatrickDK: | cordless phones used 900mhz |
| [23:52:36] | danzigrules: | AcTiVaTe: if the mysqlcheck was for me, all tested ok |
| [23:52:38] | CCFL_Man2: | the early ones |
| [23:52:48] | Dagmar: | We heard our next door neighbor telling her friend that she'd tried acid the night before, and it terrified her. |
| [23:52:53] | black_Nightmare_: | back |
| [23:52:55] | CCFL_Man2: | i heard phone conversations on 70 to 83 for yeats actually |
| [23:53:04] | CCFL_Man2: | lol |
| [23:53:24] | venkelos: | let me see here, anyone know the email address for the fbi? |
| [23:53:25] | Dagmar: | It just made it too easy to listen in on phone calls |
| [23:53:28] | iamlindoro_: | The early early cell phones used 50 Mhz I think |
| [23:53:32] | iamlindoro_: | not cell, sorry |
| [23:53:33] | iamlindoro_: | cordless |
| [23:53:33] | PatrickDK: | heard all kinds of crazy stuff from cordless phones |
| [23:53:37] | Dagmar: | venkelos: Hell, I know *agents* |
| [23:53:39] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh, 50MHz |
| [23:53:55] | iamlindoro_: | I think 900 Mhz is from the 90s or so |
| [23:54:01] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm...just asking but I presume that if you could still get your tv/settop (or whatever it may be) to go to 70–83 could you still hear them? :p |
| [23:54:11] | Dagmar: | Nopr. |
| [23:54:16] | ** AcTiVaTe remembers having an ATF3 phone but guessing that was a european thingy ** | |
| [23:54:21] | black_Nightmare_: | dagmar..heh ok |
| [23:54:22] | Dagmar: | *finally* most of the stuff is digital, for one thing |
| [23:54:29] | CCFL_Man2: | i'd hear phone calls all the time on those channels, and up until now i thought they were cordless phones, not cell phones |
| [23:54:59] | Dagmar: | You forget how cheap-ass a lot of old phones are |
| [23:55:01] | black_Nightmare_: | dagmar...heh hrm if you look up several coverage maps around here you see many places where analog border extends quite far out of any existing digital one |
| [23:55:19] | Dagmar: | Either way, it's easier to just use a nice hand scanner. :) |
| [23:55:34] | Dagmar: | I just always thought it was very neat you could do it with a camping TV. |
| [23:55:50] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: amps service is completely gone last month, no? |
| [23:56:14] | Dagmar: | Dunno. |
| [23:56:45] | CCFL_Man2: | hmm.. |
| [23:57:59] | Dagmar: | I'd also like to point out that this is one of those places where you can actually a commit a crime without realizing it |
| [23:58:17] | Dagmar: | You really have to be listening carefully to hear the law break |
| [23:58:26] | venkelos: | thats like almost all laws |
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| [23:59:56] | Dagmar: | No, generally it takes just a little more work than that |
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