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| [00:02:07] | EnderTheThird: | whew, things are bumpin in here... |
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| [00:34:07] | moegreen: | so yesterday i got the error saying "unable to write to the /tmp" everyone online points to that hdd is too full. So i back doored into myth logged in as root and deleted a bunch of tv shows and videos i had on there using the rm and shred command. Now when i boot up myth i see an error pass by while booting that says the partition that has /var/lib/mysql is too full |
| [00:34:20] | moegreen: | so what can i do now? |
| [00:34:31] | cesman: | delete logs |
| [00:35:16] | moegreen: | i saw 2 logs while i was in that directory ib_logfile1 and ib_logfile0 |
| [00:35:23] | moegreen: | i rm both of them but they didnt go away |
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| [00:37:39] | moegreen: | are /var/lib/mysql ib_logfile0 and 1 the ones your talking about |
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| [00:46:23] | moegreen: | that worked |
| [00:46:30] | moegreen: | got rid of the logs and it came back up.. |
| [00:46:45] | moegreen: | so how can i configure myth so this doesnt happen again? |
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| [01:17:40] | robbins876_: | Are imdb movie posters not working anymore? |
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| [01:21:53] | Viaken: | My recording resolution is set to 480x480. ...it's not really square is it? What should it be? |
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| [01:51:42] | matty-: | When I try to rip and transcode a DVD in "Import DVD", it gets to "Transcode is thinking..." for a few seconds and then finishes. MTD says that it completed successfully, but there is no AVI file. I manually transcoded the VOB as the mythtv user, and it ran fine. Any ideas why it is not working? I'm on Gentoo (MythDVD is 0.20.2_p14282). |
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| [01:58:59] | Anduin: | matty-: Look at the log, run the transcode command manually, see why it fails. |
| [01:59:24] | matty-: | Anduin, there is no log, and I ran the transcode manually and there were no errors |
| [01:59:56] | Anduin: | matty-: There is, mtd.log, in the "temp" directory, or you can run mtd -n and read the console output |
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| [02:01:06] | matty-: | Anduin, yeah, I've looked for it there. Unless mtd deletes it if it completes "successfully". I've been running "mtd -n" and there are no errors there either. |
| [02:01:34] | Anduin: | matty-: And the transcode command output in the log works? |
| [02:01:44] | matty-: | Anduin, yes |
| [02:02:23] | matty-: | transcode -i /var/lib/mythdvd/temp/YOUNG_FRANKENSTEIN/vob/ -g 720x480 -M 2 -V -j 0,8,0,8 -y xvid -w 1618 -o /mnt/media/Movies/YOUNG_FRANKENSTEIN.avi --print_status 20 --color 0 |
| [02:04:00] | Anduin: | matty-: Ok, no idea then. |
| [02:11:30] | sshirley: | Hi everyone. |
| [02:13:49] | sshirley: | I have a question about deleting files (recorded shows). I'll often go into the "Manage Recordings" screen and delete some shows but they will never delete and they are still in the menu to play. Any ideas? |
| [02:17:08] | cesman: | hello sshirley |
| [02:17:23] | cesman: | I'd suggest taking a look at the logs just after you attempt to delete |
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| [02:17:46] | sshirley: | where does mythtv put the logs? |
| [02:19:27] | Anduin: | sshirley: There is no standard location, though it may be some place in /var/log |
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| [02:21:05] | sshirley: | Ok. I found them in /var/log/mythtv |
| [02:21:36] | sshirley: | I'll look in both but do you think they would be in mythfrontend.log or mythbackend.log? |
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| [02:31:31] | Cackette: | in MythWeb, why, all of a sudden, is it only showing 10 mins of listings instead of like 2 hours |
| [02:31:44] | Cackette: | it shows 6:30, 6:35, 6:40 |
| [02:34:54] | Anduin: | sshirley: backend would be the interesting one |
| [02:35:16] | sshirley: | got it |
| [02:35:27] | sshirley: | I see a bunch of permission denied |
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| [02:37:30] | sshirley: | Specifically "Permission Denied (13)" |
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| [02:40:38] | sshirley: | Any ideas? |
| [02:41:01] | sshirley: | Is it user permission issues? |
| [02:42:14] | iamlindoro_: | extremely likely |
| [02:45:38] | sshirley: | how might i find that? is there a specific group that is allowed to create and delete recordings? |
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| [02:48:39] | iamlindoro_: | All you need to create and delete recordings is full access to the database and access to the place where the recording files live |
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| [03:04:15] | sshirley: | ok, well who is the user of the mythtv system? is it user mythtv or user sshirley? |
| [03:04:33] | iamlindoro_: | whomever runs the mythbackend process |
| [03:13:11] | sshirley: | Interesting. It looks like, when looking at the logs, the frontend is being run by sshirley.mythtv and the backend is being run by mythtv.mythtv |
| [03:13:31] | sshirley: | so does that mean that the frontend (sshirley) doesn't have permission to delete? |
| [03:15:02] | iamlindoro_: | no, all the deleting/recording is done by the backend and the backend user |
| [03:16:59] | sshirley: | hmmmm |
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| [03:59:48] | benlake: | does anyone else experience a pink screen of death with an nvidia pci video card when you attempt to watch TV? |
| [03:59:59] | mchou: | lol |
| [04:00:15] | mchou: | POSD? |
| [04:00:34] | mchou: | PSOD* |
| [04:00:35] | benlake: | seriously, it just goes pink and the machines load goes so high it becomes unresponsive |
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| [04:01:10] | benlake: | only does it when I try watching TV and it started happening right after an update |
| [04:01:29] | mchou: | well, that ought to tell you something |
| [04:01:36] | mchou: | like revert |
| [04:01:51] | benlake: | it is not consistent either, sometimes it works, 25% of the time it works :( |
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| [04:02:04] | benlake: | well this was like 2 updates ago |
| [04:02:54] | benlake: | crap I'm kinda in the wrong channel... it is a myth issue, but more related to mythbuntu...I'll take my case elsewhere |
| [04:04:06] | mchou: | benlake: I seriously doubt if anyone uses a pci video card any more. (pci-e and agp, yes, not straight up PCI) |
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| [04:06:44] | benlake: | well it likely has nothing to do with PCI |
| [04:16:46] | clever: | i cant seem to cancle this recording on march 12th |
| [04:17:01] | clever: | i suspect parts of mythtv are taking DST into account |
| [04:17:03] | clever: | and parts arent |
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| [04:20:43] | clever: | the override does exist |
| [04:20:58] | clever: | and it overriding the showing at 8pm |
| [04:21:16] | clever: | and there is no showing anywhere near 8pm... |
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| [04:23:54] | darkwizzard: | has anyone got mythgame to work |
| [04:24:39] | iamlindoro: | sure, all mythgame does is spawn the emulators |
| [04:24:55] | darkwizzard: | i get nothing to work |
| [04:25:07] | darkwizzard: | i click on game it does nothing |
| [04:25:08] | iamlindoro: | In a very real sense, there's no real "working" of mythgame, all it is is configs to launch emus |
| [04:25:37] | iamlindoro: | Presumably you've read through the section on setting up each type of emulator in the wiki? |
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| [04:26:26] | darkwizzard: | yes |
| [04:26:38] | iamlindoro: | Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "click on game," so you may have to be more specific |
| [04:26:58] | Linuturk: | a backend box can be a headless box without video, right? |
| [04:27:02] | darkwizzard: | i set up like they say xmame |
| [04:27:08] | iamlindoro: | Linuturk: yep |
| [04:27:16] | darkwizzard: | .x11 one |
| [04:27:21] | darkwizzard: | i goto mythgame |
| [04:27:34] | darkwizzard: | select 1999 and click on it |
| [04:27:43] | iamlindoro: | darkwizzard: If you've set it up, scanned for games, and attempted to launch one, then your frontend logs will give you all the information you need on why it's failing |
| [04:27:47] | darkwizzard: | don't launch the emu or game |
| [04:28:05] | darkwizzard: | were logs at |
| [04:28:29] | Linuturk: | iamlindoro: now I just have to figure out how to install it w/o a video card lol |
| [04:28:43] | iamlindoro: | wherever you set them up to go... if you haven't set up frontend logging, then you should run mythfrontend from a terminal and that is, more or less, the same as a log |
| [04:29:21] | iamlindoro: | Linuturk: You will need to export X from the backend somehow, however, when you run mythtv-setup. Whether that be through ssh or other means is up to you |
| [04:29:34] | iamlindoro: | because mythtv-setup *will* require an x server |
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| [04:33:28] | darkwizzard: | iamlindoro whatz rotox1.bin? |
| [04:33:40] | iamlindoro: | never heard of it... |
| [04:33:47] | iamlindoro: | probably has something to do with your emulator |
| [04:33:54] | darkwizzard: | okay |
| [04:34:05] | iamlindoro: | I'd confirm you can run the emu as you set it up from a command line before ever attempting it in myth |
| [04:34:07] | darkwizzard: | say 1 threw 10 not there |
| [04:35:05] | iamlindoro: | nothing to do with myth, your emu is improperly configured-- as I said, you shouldn't be trying to run it through myth until you know very well that it works from a command line, and how |
| [04:35:48] | darkwizzard: | did what they said to do |
| [04:35:53] | darkwizzard: | line for line |
| [04:36:08] | iamlindoro: | darkwizzard: did you test your emu outside of myth? |
| [04:36:16] | iamlindoro: | and make it work successfully? |
| [04:36:30] | darkwizzard: | no |
| [04:36:35] | iamlindoro: | the wiki relies on you to have a working emu outside of myth before you even try |
| [04:36:38] | darkwizzard: | i don't have command line |
| [04:36:48] | iamlindoro: | you don't have a terminal?? |
| [04:38:16] | Linuturk: | what's the name of that hauppage tv tuner? the 500 ? |
| [04:38:26] | iamlindoro: | There are like 30 Hauppauge tuners... |
| [04:38:32] | iamlindoro: | PVR-500 sounds like what you mean |
| [04:38:37] | Linuturk: | yeah, that's it |
| [04:38:41] | Linuturk: | isn't that a good one? |
| [04:38:53] | iamlindoro: | Yes, the 500 is fine if you need analog |
| [04:39:34] | Linuturk: | well, i have comcast digital cable |
| [04:39:43] | Linuturk: | so that won't work for me, will it? |
| [04:40:04] | Linuturk: | or, can I downgrade my service and get the mythtv to do the digital stuff for me ? |
| [04:40:23] | iamlindoro: | if you are trying to capture the output of a Set Top Box and are unable to use firewire, then yes, that will interface with the STB, SD only |
| [04:41:09] | iamlindoro: | That "digital stuff" you are talking about is the format in which it is *broadcast* |
| [04:41:57] | Linuturk: | :-/ |
| [04:42:04] | Linuturk: | even more confusion ;p |
| [04:42:35] | iamlindoro: | I highly suggest you read the wiki page on "configuring HDTV," even if you're not doing HD... it explains digital broadcast |
| [04:42:49] | Linuturk: | ok |
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| [04:45:42] | nitronic: | hi there, i have a mythtv box running successfully on ubuntu. however, it seems to be recording everything i watch to HD. problem is, i have very little HD space at the moment. how can i disable mythtv from automatically recording what i am watching? |
| [04:45:57] | iamlindoro: | you cannot |
| [04:46:06] | iamlindoro: | Live TV is, by definition, recorded |
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| [04:46:34] | iamlindoro: | It all autoexpires, though |
| [04:46:52] | iamlindoro: | so when you run low on space, or the live TV reaches (by default) 24 hours, it expires |
| [04:47:17] | nitronic: | hmm, will the box run slower because of that? |
| [04:47:17] | iamlindoro: | You can also set myth to "reserve" "x" GB of space and not fill it. This is by default 1 GB |
| [04:47:28] | iamlindoro: | "that" what? |
| [04:47:35] | nitronic: | because it is recording? |
| [04:47:43] | nitronic: | well, i suppose that's a relative measure |
| [04:47:55] | iamlindoro: | It's only recording when you're actually watching, not at all times |
| [04:48:10] | nitronic: | well, ym real concern is that my video seems to be laggy compared to mplayer |
| [04:48:14] | iamlindoro: | doesn't begin to record until you hit "Watch TV" |
| [04:48:17] | nitronic: | perhaps it is using the wrong video driver |
| [04:48:29] | nitronic: | how can i change/see my current video driver within mythtv? |
| [04:48:37] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [04:49:02] | iamlindoro: | Unless you mean something other than video driver (which is universal within X) |
| [04:49:15] | iamlindoro: | prehaps you mean video renderer |
| [04:49:16] | nitronic: | erm |
| [04:49:17] | nitronic: | for example |
| [04:49:19] | iamlindoro: | er perhaps |
| [04:49:54] | nitronic: | mplayer -vo help lists my "video output" drivers, of which xv is the standard |
| [04:50:11] | iamlindoro: | those are video renderers, not drivers per se |
| [04:50:22] | iamlindoro: | Unless you are using myth SVN trunk, you are probably using xv |
| [04:50:23] | nitronic: | however, for watching a dvb stream, xv is extremely laggy, and i've installed a much faster xvmc driver |
| [04:50:31] | nitronic: | within mplayer |
| [04:50:44] | nitronic: | which fixed the problem |
| [04:50:55] | iamlindoro: | if you want to set up XvMc in myth, that's in playback settings |
| [04:50:55] | nitronic: | so now i'm just assuming that mythtv is using a driver like xv |
| [04:51:00] | nitronic: | alright, one sec |
| [04:52:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | nitronic: You said "video seems to be laggy compared to mplayer" — If you mean there's a 3-second delay, you're right... it's getting recorded to disk by myth, then played back from disk... Are you trying to play a video game through Myth? |
| [04:56:32] | nitronic: | by laggy i mean jittery |
| [04:56:51] | nitronic: | i believe it was already set to "standard xvmc" |
| [04:56:55] | nitronic: | but lemme check iamlindoro * |
| [04:57:19] | iamlindoro: | I believe directhex said it best when he said, ahem... "MOAR MHZ!" |
| [04:58:21] | iamlindoro: | I (and many others) are of the opinion that XvMC is so very painful that if you have to use it, it's better simply to get new hardware/less old hardware |
| [04:58:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | nitronic: Perhaps I missed it, but is your video card an NVidia? |
| [04:59:21] | nitronic: | J-e-f-f-A, yes sir it is |
| [04:59:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | nitronic: And are you using the nvidia binary drivers, or the standard 'nv' driver that comes with linux/xwindows? |
| [05:00:01] | nitronic: | binary |
| [05:00:13] | nitronic: | which is the "nvidia" driver |
| [05:01:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | nitronic: ... So, coming into the middle of this, hopefully not repeating stuff or ticking anybody off... How fast is your cpu? |
| [05:02:46] | nitronic: | hmm, can't really remember. can you remind me of the command to tell me? |
| [05:03:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | nitronic: "cat /proc/cpuinfo" should do it... don't paste it all here, just the speed... |
| [05:03:58] | nitronic: | there we go |
| [05:04:09] | nitronic: | AMD XP 2200 |
| [05:04:34] | nitronic: | which is an 1800mhz with 256Kb of cache |
| [05:04:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | nitronic: Are you trying to play HD, or just Standard Definition... |
| [05:04:58] | nitronic: | HD :| |
| [05:07:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | nitronic: humm... Yeah, that might be marginal for HD. I was able to playback 720p on a 1GHz PIII w/512MB ram, NVidia XvMC, etc... but apparently had a 'perfect' chipset or something, as not many have had the same experience... |
| [05:07:26] | nitronic: | hmm |
| [05:07:35] | nitronic: | i seem to be having similar problems on standard def though |
| [05:07:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | nitronic: Make sure your Hard disk DMA is turned on... "/sbin/hdparm -d /dev/hda" <- or whatever your HD is... (unless it's sata, then it's 'always' on) |
| [05:07:48] | nitronic: | just loaded a not-hd channel, it ran for about 30 seconds before freezing up |
| [05:07:51] | nitronic: | yeah, good call, one sec |
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| [05:27:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | nitronic: I've gotta hit the sack.. I hope you figure it out... ttyl... |
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| [05:57:08] | venkelos: | Hello, I am having a tough time configuring my mythtv backend on step 4 'Input connections', I cannot get my pcHDTV 5500 to find signals when scanning for channels |
| [05:58:47] | venkelos: | I am using comcast in San Fransisco CA (which I believe is QAM256) so I have set the video source to 'schedules direct' and frequency table to 'Cable' and ATSC Modulation to 'Cable (QAM-256)' but cannot get any signals when I scan |
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| [06:01:19] | venkelos: | is there some way I can test the video capture card easily outside mythtv to see if the card is just not installed correctly? The 'Capture Card Setup' has the card using /dev/v4l/video0 so the device is at least showing up in /dev... |
| [06:04:39] | iamlindoro: | you are set up as the wrong card type |
| [06:04:46] | iamlindoro: | hd 5500 is DVB 3.0 card type |
| [06:04:56] | iamlindoro: | Otherwise, youre settings are correct |
| [06:04:57] | iamlindoro: | er your |
| [06:05:15] | venkelos: | oh, i see, alright thanks ill play with the kernel then |
| [06:05:34] | iamlindoro: | no, don't touch the kernel, the card type is set in mythtv-setup |
| [06:06:01] | iamlindoro: | you *should have /dev/video devices and /dev/dvb devices |
| [06:06:13] | iamlindoro: | or however your udev rules arange them, anyway |
| [06:06:23] | venkelos: | ya i do, /dev/dvb/adapter0/ with demux0 dvr0 frontend0 net0 |
| [06:06:38] | iamlindoro: | so set to the proper card type in mythtv-setup and rescan |
| [06:06:44] | venkelos: | k |
| [06:08:37] | venkelos: | none of those 4 devices came up with any values for 'default imput' like the v4l one did |
| [06:09:09] | venkelos: | and dvr0 even said: could not open '/dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0' to probe its inputs. |
| [06:10:03] | iamlindoro: | you are still doing this wrong |
| [06:10:42] | venkelos: | oh nm i see what you mean |
| [06:10:56] | iamlindoro: | in mythtv-setup, under capture card setup, the first field is capture card type. You do *not* want it set to v4l card type, you want it set to DVB card type. With the DVB card type all you need to set is the card number, which should autodetect anyway |
| [06:11:01] | venkelos: | i had the wrong card type, theres 2 different ones for pchdtv |
| [06:11:17] | ** iamlindoro mashes his head into the keyboard ** | |
| [06:11:21] | venkelos: | heh |
| [06:11:23] | iamlindoro: | USE DVB |
| [06:11:29] | venkelos: | i am |
| [06:11:36] | venkelos: | i was just agreeing with you :) |
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| [06:13:38] | venkelos: | awesome it is working now, thank you very much |
| [06:15:39] | iamlindoro: | np |
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| [06:33:52] | Cackette: | my box has been working great over the past 2 days :) |
| [06:34:04] | Cackette: | 5 programs, using 35 GB (13 hrs 49 mins) out of 224 GB (175 GB free). |
| [06:38:19] | venkelos: | nice :) im looking forward to mine |
| [06:41:50] | Cackette: | my shit is loud though |
| [06:42:01] | Cackette: | gotta buy some new fans/heatsinks maybe |
| [06:42:35] | venkelos: | you might wanna check bios or get a physical fan speed controller instead |
| [06:42:46] | venkelos: | even the quietest fans are loud when they are spinning unnecessarily fast |
| [06:43:11] | Cackette: | the loudest part of the pc is the video card |
| [06:43:19] | Cackette: | the rest is pretty quiet actually |
| [06:46:39] | venkelos: | i went for this http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127301 |
| [06:46:47] | venkelos: | cant get much quieter than fanless :) |
| [06:47:02] | Cackette: | holy huge heatsink |
| [06:47:08] | Cackette: | i dont think that'd fit next to the rest of my cards |
| [06:47:24] | venkelos: | ya it takes 2 slots |
| [06:47:36] | Cackette: | my cards are all right next to each other |
| [06:47:46] | Cackette: | i MIGHT have 1 slot avail if i move one of them actually |
| [06:47:55] | Cackette: | Out of Stock though |
| [06:48:06] | venkelos: | sweet i got in just under the wire apparently |
| [06:48:27] | venkelos: | but theres about a million ways to do fanless graphics cards, you could even probably get a kit from zalman and add it to your existing one |
| [06:48:39] | Cackette: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127297 is in stock actually |
| [06:48:55] | venkelos: | dont buy it on my advice though |
| [06:49:01] | Cackette: | why, looks good |
| [06:49:03] | Cackette: | beats my old card |
| [06:49:05] | venkelos: | im still setting this box up and at the moment my framerate is awful |
| [06:49:44] | Cackette: | framerate, for what |
| [06:49:50] | Cackette: | all i do on it is record and watch tv |
| [06:50:06] | venkelos: | ya watching tv, right now im getting crazy lag |
| [06:50:13] | venkelos: | but im thinking its just a setting ive yet to find |
| [06:50:31] | Cackette: | weird |
| [06:50:39] | Cackette: | my card is a 6600 and it works just fine |
| [06:50:43] | Cackette: | even w/ HD |
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| [07:01:56] | Deek: | Is there a reason why mythtranscode can't resize and filter at the same time? |
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| [07:02:58] | Deek: | err, doh, it can — missed the call to SetVideoFilters |
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| [07:38:41] | venkelos: | figured it out, needed: Load "extmod" in xorg.conf |
| [07:41:00] | Cackette: | ugh, is commercial flagging/recording supposed to cause lag while trying to watch a recorded movie |
| [07:41:11] | Cackette: | This machine's load average: |
| [07:41:11] | Cackette: | * 1 Minute: 2.79 |
| [07:41:11] | Cackette: | * 5 Minutes: 2.09 |
| [07:41:11] | Cackette: | * 15 Minutes: 1.8 |
| [07:46:10] | venkelos: | is there a resource somewhere that has all the xorg modules that should be loaded? |
| [07:47:07] | Cackette: | ionno, i use MythBuntu |
| [07:47:09] | Cackette: | it just all works |
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| [11:28:53] | noclue: | so, i've been using mythtv just fine for a couple of days. then i go into mythtv-setup to add a user job, and when i restart the backend, livetv is stuck on channel 4 and i can't change it |
| [11:28:56] | noclue: | any ideas? |
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| [12:15:24] | fbn: | hi, is it possible to use a touchscreen that's build into the case with mythv in addition to a tv? |
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| [12:30:43] | danielito: | heya. are there any guys from germany/europe, respectively guys using ASTRA 19.2 and can help me with scanning the channels? in my case just nothing happens :-/ BUT, checking the functionality of the card using commandline tools works – I'm able to scan and watch several tv-channels |
| [12:31:39] | kuil: | danielito: does it work using the 'scan' utility? |
| [12:31:54] | kuil: | i.e. can you create a channels.conf? |
| [12:32:05] | danielito: | kuil: right, that's what I meant. |
| [12:32:11] | danielito: | that worked perfectly |
| [12:32:30] | danielito: | but neither importing that channels.conf nor doing a full scan gives me any channel into mythtv |
| [12:32:33] | kuil: | at least for dvb-c I can import that channels.conf |
| [12:32:37] | kuil: | hmm |
| [12:32:43] | danielito: | it's dvb-s here in my case |
| [12:32:57] | kuil: | yeah... I figured.. astra :) |
| [12:33:01] | danielito: | heh |
| [12:33:31] | danielito: | sooooo... I'm kinda lost. I have no idea how I should go on |
| [12:33:32] | kuil: | hmmm.. no errors either in your console? |
| [12:34:10] | kuil: | you are using free to air channels? (I know for dvb-c there is a checkbox that says only free to air) |
| [12:35:06] | danielito: | well – eh. I don't know. just wanna watch free-tv channels. there weren't any errors in my console. now I installed knoppmyth, don't see a console there :) but system is misbehaving like the debian-install before |
| [12:35:46] | kuil: | ah... can you open a console (konsole for kde.. not sure what the command is for gnome...) |
| [12:35:53] | kuil: | and from there start the mythtv-setup? |
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| [12:37:25] | danielito: | oh guess what |
| [12:37:29] | danielito: | it's scanning now, haha |
| [12:38:33] | kuil: | :) |
| [12:38:45] | kuil: | congrats |
| [12:39:09] | danielito: | thanks :) well. capture card setting. then "DiSEqC" forgot to set the device to LNB there |
| [12:39:13] | danielito: | thx for your support! |
| [12:39:43] | kuil: | yw.. not much help though :) |
| [12:39:56] | kuil: | ah.. lnb is not really a dvb-c thing :( |
| [12:41:12] | danielito: | nope, indeed |
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| [13:49:32] | hnitsuj: | hmmm be nice to have a restful weekend one of these days |
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| [14:00:45] | jamesd: | does anyone know the name of the program that sets up sound when you install mythbuntu |
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| [14:07:20] | hnitsuj: | the mythbuntu control centre should take care of that AFAIK |
| [14:07:37] | hnitsuj: | but if not, the usual suspects such as alsamixer, alsactl etc |
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| [15:37:28] | _talon: | hello |
| [15:38:18] | _talon: | i have a question about HDCP on HTPCs |
| [15:39:30] | _talon: | if I build a HTPC using a HDCP enabled gfx card, and I have a HDCP enabled TV, will i be able to play HD rips? |
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| [15:40:47] | hnitsuj: | _talon: linux doesn't care about HDCP, nor could it do anything even if it did since support for it is missing in the graphics drivers |
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| [15:41:15] | hnitsuj: | _talon: and until TVs come along which demand HDCP for digital inputs (very unlikely infact) – there's no need to even care |
| [15:41:36] | _talon: | ok – i thought with HDCP all devices *had* to use it |
| [15:41:49] | _talon: | so on the TV side, HDCP is not forced |
| [15:41:49] | hnitsuj: | the myth that you need HDCP gear to watch HD is perpetuated by people selling software |
| [15:42:11] | Dagmar: | Well, they don't _demand_ it. |
| [15:42:16] | hnitsuj: | the one thing you _will_ need to play HD is a lot of CPU grunt |
| [15:42:26] | Dagmar: | They just gimp your content by downsampling it to 720 if you don't have an HDCP-compliant device |
| [15:42:33] | Dagmar: | isn't that nice of them? |
| [15:42:46] | _talon: | who? |
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| [15:42:50] | hnitsuj: | Dagmar: but the TV doesn't do that, only the device plugged into it |
| [15:43:00] | Dagmar: | The requiring HDCP to show you anything other than a picture of an executive's middle finger will be coming in a firmware patch in Q4 2009 |
| [15:43:00] | _talon: | i don't understand |
| [15:43:10] | hnitsuj: | 'they' being STB manufacturers, player manufacturers, people who write HD player software for windows |
| [15:43:35] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: At this point, there is no equipment that doesn't do HDCP, except for ours |
| [15:43:45] | Dagmar: | The system is enirely closed, from end to end. |
| [15:43:58] | hnitsuj: | so? |
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| [15:44:07] | _talon: | what if new gfx drivers start supporting it? |
| [15:44:07] | hnitsuj: | I could care less about HD but it'd be difficult |
| [15:44:11] | Dagmar: | So this is what most people call a monopoly. |
| [15:44:17] | hnitsuj: | _talon: in linux? nahhhhhhhhhhh |
| [15:44:21] | _talon: | ATI? |
| [15:44:33] | hnitsuj: | scuse me while I pick myself up off the floor |
| [15:44:33] | Dagmar: | It means that if you wish to say, release a DVD of your own with 1080 content on it, your options are as follows: |
| [15:44:38] | Dagmar: | 1. Pay into the monopoly |
| [15:44:48] | Dagmar: | 2. Develop your own HD TV and player and media. |
| [15:45:15] | Dagmar: | Fair use is something only megacorporations have now. |
| [15:45:38] | _talon: | what is the 2009 firmware patch? for TVs? |
| [15:45:39] | hnitsuj: | _talon: no copy protection mechanism would ever exist for long in the OSS world. It's too easy to bypass it |
| [15:46:32] | _talon: | so i should be fine with a Radeon 3870 and HDCP compliant TV with Linux basically |
| [15:46:37] | hnitsuj: | no |
| [15:46:39] | hnitsuj: | nonononono |
| [15:46:42] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [15:46:45] | hnitsuj: | ATI + linux = suck |
| [15:46:45] | _talon: | ?! |
| [15:46:54] | Dagmar: | Talon: You can basically forget *ever* doing HDCP under Linux. |
| [15:46:59] | PatrickDK: | I hate ati, I have found they don't know how to make drivers |
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| [15:47:10] | _talon: | at least they are releasing code to the community |
| [15:47:14] | Dagmar: | Give it another two years and probably every TV on the market will also refuse to play 1080 content without HDCP |
| [15:47:20] | hnitsuj: | muh muh muh mumuhmuh muhhhh |
| [15:47:22] | _talon: | great |
| [15:47:30] | hnitsuj: | nvidia or intel, or bust |
| [15:47:44] | _talon: | nVidia's drivers will never be free |
| [15:47:45] | Dagmar: | Dis would be why I'm glad I got a TV with a VGA port |
| [15:47:58] | Dagmar: | talon: Yes, but they at least fucking work |
| [15:48:01] | hnitsuj: | _talon: so? |
| [15:48:10] | hnitsuj: | not gonna get into that debate |
| [15:48:15] | Dagmar: | I don't have a problem with closed source so long as it actually *functions* |
| [15:48:25] | hnitsuj: | open source is great, but when the thing sucks so bad it doesn't work.... |
| [15:48:29] | _talon: | so I buy a 9600GT and a TV w/ VGA port, and forget HDMI |
| [15:48:37] | Dagmar: | nVidia does a decent job of maintaining that binary-only driver, or I'd be bitching about it |
| [15:48:57] | hnitsuj: | nvidia are far from perfect but tha vast majority of the time they're pretty good |
| [15:49:19] | Dagmar: | Hey, I said decent, not perfect. |
| [15:49:26] | hnitsuj: | did I say you did? |
| [15:49:28] | _talon: | I thought i would reward ATI for actually contributing something to the community |
| [15:49:29] | Dagmar: | There'll probably be a new 169 driver before the week is up |
| [15:49:36] | PatrickDK: | s/vga/dvi |
| [15:49:48] | Dagmar: | Some call that was just removed from the kernel's export list is currently being used by the nVidia binary driver |
| [15:49:50] | hnitsuj: | _talon: so they gave away the source for very badly broken drivers. whoop eee |
| [15:50:14] | Dagmar: | PatrickDK: In practice there's not a whole hell of a lot of difference between the two |
| [15:50:29] | PatrickDK: | dagmar, they are completely different |
| [15:50:38] | _talon: | ok |
| [15:50:41] | PatrickDK: | vga uses the dac on the video card, and wire length matters |
| [15:50:45] | Dagmar: | Not as far as what appears on your screen is concerned they're not |
| [15:50:54] | PatrickDK: | and dvi uses the dac on the tv, and wirelength doesn't matter much |
| [15:51:08] | hnitsuj: | PatrickDK: in any real terms I doubt there'd be much discernable difference if decent cable is used |
| [15:51:20] | _talon: | can DVI carry 1080p video? does HDCP apply to it? |
| [15:51:23] | Dagmar: | When the majority case becomes people having their TV 50 feet away from the DVR, then that will be something to worry over |
| [15:51:28] | PatrickDK: | heh, I can tell the difference pretty easily |
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| [15:51:37] | Dagmar: | _talon: remember, 1080 just means 1080 vertical scan lines |
| [15:51:44] | PatrickDK: | but if you use a really good video card with a good tv, it's hard to tell |
| [15:51:50] | Dagmar: | talon: A monitor doing 1600x1200 resolution can do 1080 with lines to spare |
| [15:51:53] | PatrickDK: | but if eather one is crap, well, use the better one |
| [15:52:01] | hnitsuj: | PatrickDK: of course |
| [15:52:26] | _talon: | Dagmar: ok – yes, but could you use that instead of VGA if you thought the quality was better |
| [15:52:27] | PatrickDK: | I personally run my dvi 80' of wire, over fiber |
| [15:52:49] | _talon: | Dagmar: for HD content? |
| [15:52:50] | Dagmar: | talon: Yeah, but for most people's uses, the difference will be entirely negligible |
| [15:52:57] | hnitsuj: | to be blunt, and downright pessimistic for a sec – one day all of this here will be useless unless a massive change comes about – i.e. companies get less greedy |
| [15:52:57] | Dagmar: | talon: What for HD content |
| [15:53:08] | iamlindoro: | _talon: Yes, DVI will do 1080p (and far more) and DVI is also HDCP-compatible |
| [15:53:08] | _talon: | Dagmar: DVI, if HDCP is required |
| [15:53:14] | Dagmar: | There's nothing spectacularly special about HD other than it's got a HELLA LARGE image resolution |
| [15:53:25] | Dagmar: | talon: In those cases you'll probably be screwed |
| [15:53:28] | hnitsuj: | Dagmar: and in some cases, lower frame rates :P |
| [15:53:38] | hnitsuj: | 24p ? blech |
| [15:53:40] | Dagmar: | ...although wikipedia can probably say whetehr or not HDCP can be done over DVI |
| [15:53:49] | hnitsuj: | DVI supports HDCP |
| [15:53:49] | iamlindoro: | It can |
| [15:53:51] | _talon: | yes |
| [15:53:59] | Dagmar: | I just couldn't remember |
| [15:54:09] | _talon: | so basically use VGA or forget HD video on a HTPC |
| [15:54:09] | hnitsuj: | it's the same video data signals as HDMI on a differnt connector |
| [15:54:10] | Dagmar: | I honestly do not expect any DRM'd content to last more than a decade |
| [15:54:31] | _talon: | i don't want to wait 10 years to watch a film |
| [15:54:37] | PatrickDK: | dagmar, in that case should people have stopped using keys to enable software? |
| [15:54:40] | hnitsuj: | _talon: until TVs demand HDCP for HD content it's fine to use VGA, component or DVI/HDMI |
| [15:54:41] | Dagmar: | We're already starting to collect a sizeable amount of orphaned content because of DRM. |
| [15:54:44] | iamlindoro: | _talon: only in Windows... as everyone has been telling you, nothing under linux will pass any sort of HDCP signal.. |
| [15:54:45] | PatrickDK: | it's not going go away, it's just going get more annoying |
| [15:54:55] | Dagmar: | PatrickDK: That is an unrelated argument |
| [15:54:55] | _talon: | ok thanks |
| [15:55:28] | hnitsuj: | _talon: but be aware that not all of the above will be of equivalent picture quality – YMMV |
| [15:55:46] | Dagmar: | Software becomes obsolete over time, and all the instances I know of where a company has required some kind of callback to activate it, they've either made it a permanent activation, or released their own utility to crack obsolete products for their customers |
| [15:55:50] | _talon: | so i have learned the following: don't buy ATI, and don't worry about HDCP until TVs start enforcing it, at which point just use VGA which is analogue |
| [15:55:52] | hnitsuj: | some TVs even limit the resolution of what you can input over analogue connections |
| [15:55:58] | Dagmar: | Art, on the other hand, does *not* particularly become obsolete over time. |
| [15:56:50] | Dagmar: | Even Valve has said that in the highly unlikely event that they collapse, they're going to make damn sure everyone and their brother has software for cracking their stuff so they're no longer necessary |
| [15:57:09] | Dagmar: | I have yet to see this kind of behaviour out of ANY companies using DRM to protect media |
| [15:57:30] | hnitsuj: | DRM between the player & the display == perfect ! |
| [15:57:47] | Dagmar: | ESPN flushed a couple of seasons of baseball that people _bought_ right down the toilet. |
| [15:57:57] | Dagmar: | The keys expired, and ESPN decided they didn't want to release new keys. |
| [15:58:05] | hnitsuj: | but kinda pointless now since the actual content protection has been borked big style |
| [15:58:20] | _talon: | i would like to ask a second question about HTPC cases too, I was thinking about a Zalman case with imon interface and wondered if that was a good choice for MythTV |
| [15:58:29] | Dagmar: | talon: As good as any |
| [15:58:36] | Dagmar: | Do you like the way it _looks_? |
| [15:58:45] | Dagmar: | That's basically the most important factor there |
| [15:58:58] | hnitsuj: | I've yet to see any affordable HTPC case that doesn't look like shit |
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| [15:59:07] | Dagmar: | Same here |
| [15:59:11] | _talon: | i think it looks OK, it's big enough to put a pretty hardcore ATX system together |
| [15:59:28] | hnitsuj: | noisy? |
| [15:59:29] | _talon: | and I like the touchscreen for playing music without switching on the TV |
| [15:59:40] | hnitsuj: | what use is a touchscreen for mythtv? :P |
| [15:59:42] | _talon: | i will build it as silent as possible |
| [15:59:44] | hnitsuj: | none, that's what |
| [15:59:49] | _talon: | none? |
| [15:59:56] | hnitsuj: | that's what I said |
| [15:59:56] | Dagmar: | I'm just resigned to that I'm going to have to wait a bit longer, and upgrade my chassis to an HTPC box with one drive and gig-e in it, and move everything else into a full tower just packed full of drives and headed up by a gig-e port in my lab. |
| [15:59:56] | hnitsuj: | none |
| [16:00:15] | hnitsuj: | well, the main menus just about work with a mouse or touchscreen |
| [16:00:23] | hnitsuj: | FA else though |
| [16:00:25] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: Well, the problem being that most people will kill their children if they touch the screen and get fingerprints all over it |
| [16:00:41] | Dagmar: | I have a definite use for a touchscreen for Myth, but the problem of finger schmaltz still remains. |
| [16:00:50] | hnitsuj: | fingerprints / jam / honey / chocolate / goo |
| [16:00:56] | Dagmar: | boogers |
| [16:01:04] | hnitsuj: | no! waffles do NOT go in there! |
| [16:01:27] | _talon: | so i am better off going for a cheaper one with a VFD instead? |
| [16:01:45] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: Look at http://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . nt=foo-1.png and tell me if you think a certain type of person would just wet themselves to have that coupled with a touchscreen |
| [16:02:01] | hnitsuj: | _talon: unless you wanna be the nice person to add better mouse support to mythtv... |
| [16:02:12] | Dagmar: | talon: Your'e aware that VFD simply means the type of little tiny lights in it, right? |
| [16:02:17] | Dagmar: | iMon is a brand name. |
| [16:02:27] | _talon: | yeah i know |
| [16:02:28] | Dagmar: | iMon displays come in VFD form just fine. |
| [16:02:43] | Dagmar: | ...however, at least we know iMon units have a driver. |
| [16:02:46] | hnitsuj: | Dagmar: yeah I can see the trek-gasms from here |
| [16:02:48] | _talon: | but imon is fairly well supported in mythtv |
| [16:02:55] | Dagmar: | God only knows what some of this stuff coming out of Taiwan uses |
| [16:03:12] | iamlindoro: | mythtv doesn't care, it'll work with any old LCDProc compatible thing |
| [16:03:18] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: I have basically ahd to start over since I got the 32" widescreen LCD |
| [16:03:20] | hnitsuj: | Dagmar: but now, I'm thinking ... hmmm to feem or not to feem.. not feeming is easy :) |
| [16:03:32] | Dagmar: | ...but I can get CRAPTONS of stuff on the screen in the program guide and video browser now. :) |
| [16:03:39] | Dagmar: | feem? |
| [16:03:49] | hnitsuj: | th == f |
| [16:03:53] | hnitsuj: | ;) |
| [16:03:54] | Dagmar: | Ah. |
| [16:03:58] | Dagmar: | Oh fuck I'm slow today |
| [16:04:13] | Dagmar: | My brain is cooked from being back in the NOC doing inventory all morning. |
| [16:04:17] | Dagmar: | I just realized who the hell you were. |
| [16:04:20] | Dagmar: | er are |
| [16:04:29] | hnitsuj: | was/is/maybe... |
| [16:04:42] | Dagmar: | Damn. A year's gone by since I started work on that crap? |
| [16:04:49] | hnitsuj: | maybe more |
| [16:04:51] | Dagmar: | Maybe I should go ahead and grind out the last bits and finish it this time |
| [16:05:05] | hnitsuj: | Dagmar: hardly worth it, knowing what's ahead IMHO |
| [16:05:17] | _talon: | mouse support will eventually come in Mythtv, i guess |
| [16:05:29] | Dagmar: | Unless they're converting the whole lot to one big-ass SVG & XML file, I don't care. |
| [16:05:40] | Dagmar: | That would jsut make what I'm doing easier. |
| [16:05:48] | hnitsuj: | Dagmar: xml format changes aplenty |
| [16:05:55] | Dagmar: | No biggie there |
| [16:06:04] | hnitsuj: | be easier long term though |
| [16:06:13] | hnitsuj: | that's what might tempt me to come back |
| [16:06:19] | Dagmar: | I finally figured out WTF I did with the perl script I was using to basically translate the SVG template into a theme directly. |
| [16:06:41] | Dagmar: | If they want to head in the direction of less bastardization of XML, I'm all for it |
| [16:06:59] | Dagmar: | I'd start prodding the Inkscape devs to make tagging objects in the canvas area easier |
| [16:07:09] | hnitsuj: | when I DO return, it'll be with ONE superlative effort. NO support. BIG disclaimer. NO contact email – prolly no names, no pack drill either |
| [16:07:31] | Dagmar: | =D just call them "reference" themes. |
| [16:07:41] | Dagmar: | Tell people if they don't work, their machine doesn't adhere to the standard. ;) |
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| [16:08:40] | hnitsuj: | myth is really going to need somebody to pick up the baton once more mythui work is done. I don't want to be them |
| [16:09:10] | _talon: | xbmc for linux is coming also, i don't know which will prove more popular in the long run |
| [16:09:12] | emacsen: | hey. I just installed myth, set up the back end, but it won't let me watch live tv. it says mythtv is already using all available inputs |
| [16:09:12] | hnitsuj: | and for it to flourish, somebody needs to do references for the core themes. Again... |
| [16:09:24] | hnitsuj: | _talon: til XBMC can record TV... :P |
| [16:09:34] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: I don't really see that it's that much of a requirement |
| [16:09:45] | _talon: | but interface is mature, and userbase is massive |
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| [16:09:56] | Dagmar: | If they're working in the right direction, revamping themes should get *easier* over time |
| [16:10:01] | hnitsuj: | _talon: besides, nobody working on the project seems to care much about 'the threat' of 'competition' anyway. it's not that sort of enterprise |
| [16:10:02] | _talon: | at least on the xbox platform |
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| [16:10:17] | hnitsuj: | the interface of XBMC ain't perfect either. far from it |
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| [16:10:22] | emacsen: | is there a direct way to watch TV? to test the input? |
| [16:10:38] | hnitsuj: | file browser tacked onto a media player. yay :-\ |
| [16:10:38] | Dagmar: | If I can get this bit of code that takes my SVG fragment and _renders_ it with Imagemagick worked out, I will open a project on SourceForge for the theme translator |
| [16:11:00] | _talon: | hnitsuj: of course, but from a user's point of view you want to go with the one that has the best potential |
| [16:11:02] | Dagmar: | XML::Simple makes a lot of this sstuff so easy in perl |
| [16:11:07] | hnitsuj: | Dagmar: is inkscape's gaussian blur unbroken yet? |
| [16:11:23] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: Looks like it works to me |
| [16:11:29] | Dagmar: | I just don't really use it |
| [16:11:29] | hnitsuj: | _talon: nobody could care less tbh. I use whatever suits me. loyalty has no place here |
| [16:11:55] | _talon: | hnitsuj: i just want something that works |
| [16:11:59] | hnitsuj: | some people on the mailing lists get all hauty about keeping up with the Jones' but it's not worth it |
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| [16:12:28] | _talon: | it seems that mythtv has come leaps and bounds since i last looked at it a couple of years ago |
| [16:12:35] | Dagmar: | It has |
| [16:12:39] | _talon: | it is quite feature rich now |
| [16:12:52] | Ribs: | it rivals the microsoft offering |
| [16:12:58] | Dagmar: | The question remains, however, were all these leaps in the right direction, or are parts of it headed inescapably for the drink like a round of Frogger gone wrong. |
| [16:12:58] | Ribs: | I'd say it's better |
| [16:13:18] | hnitsuj: | Dagmar: a mix of both IMHO |
| [16:13:36] | Dagmar: | I suspect the way transcoding works is one of those "gator or truck" problems |
| [16:13:40] | _talon: | i think that given the speed of development, we can probably expect to see mouse/touchscreen support at some point |
| [16:13:48] | hnitsuj: | froggy is stuck on the highway trying to dodge the truck carrying the windows frontend |
| [16:13:50] | Dagmar: | talon: Doubtful. |
| [16:14:16] | Dagmar: | talon: For one, touchscreens are a bad idea since the interface is on the same display as what you're looking at. |
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| [16:14:26] | Dagmar: | People don't like fingerprints in the middle of their soaps. |
| [16:14:43] | Dagmar: | For the other, there's not much point in mouse support. |
| [16:14:53] | Dagmar: | If you have a mouse handy, you DEFINITELY have a keyboard handy. |
| [16:14:58] | _talon: | well you're not actually going to watch TV on the 7" screen |
| [16:15:01] | hnitsuj: | but muhhhhhhhhhhhh! touchscreens! muhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [16:15:08] | hnitsuj: | bling!!! |
| [16:15:23] | _talon: | just to use it for selecting music, i think that would be a useful feature |
| [16:15:33] | orthoevra: | been reading the mailing list and google results for hours and see lots of people who run into "cant change channel" issues seems like none of them are resolved, is this normal? |
| [16:15:35] | hnitsuj: | _talon: wait til you've tried mythmusic |
| [16:15:42] | Dagmar: | talon: And you seem to think these devs are all people with a pile of cash to blow prototyping a use model on some $1,400 touchscreen tablet, in addition to their 42" plasma |
| [16:15:58] | Dagmar: | orthoevra: Yes. Illiteracy is a terrible thing. |
| [16:16:14] | Dagmar: | talon: What MythMusic needs is a *web* frontend |
| [16:16:18] | _talon: | no, but maybe $4.99 on a mouse |
| [16:16:24] | orthoevra: | Dagmar: very funny :) what i mean is this is a common problem but nobody has a solution for it |
| [16:16:35] | Dagmar: | orthoevra: Because those people seldom read the docs |
| [16:16:37] | orthoevra: | and i am now having the problem |
| [16:16:43] | Dagmar: | They tend to shut right up after they find the docs |
| [16:17:06] | hnitsuj: | oh don't come that now Dagmar. docs? you evil... ;) |
| [16:17:22] | orthoevra: | Dagmar: docs arent any help for me in this case, used to be able to change channels... now cant change them, nothing in docs has resolved this |
| [16:17:30] | hnitsuj: | mommy! that _nasty_ man made me read stuff! |
| [16:17:33] | Dagmar: | ...and if the only description of the problem case that they're giving is "OMG i can't change channels" then there's not much hope that anyone short of a psychic is going to be able to tell them anything useful. |
| [16:17:38] | Dagmar: | HInt hint. |
| [16:18:07] | Dagmar: | hnitsuj: Applications that don't require docs have a number greater than 0 as the first part of their version. |
| [16:18:09] | Dagmar: | Most of the time. |
| [16:18:11] | _talon: | hnitsuj: what do you mean by 'wait til you've tried mythmusic'? |
| [16:18:12] | orthoevra: | Dagmar: well by your own argument i would have to conclude that you have not read the maillinglist because there are lots of details about the issue there LOTS :P |
| [16:18:26] | Dagmar: | orthoevra: I have read the mailing list posts. |
| [16:18:29] | _talon: | hnitsuj: are you saying that remote control is the only/best way? |
| [16:18:33] | Dagmar: | None of those people read unless you point a gun at them. |
| [16:18:43] | hnitsuj: | _talon: no comment ;) |
| [16:19:00] | Dagmar: | talon: He's saying that basically every form of control is ruinously painful in MythMusic once you have more than 10–12 CDs in it |
| [16:19:00] | hnitsuj: | I'm not going to cast aspersions on something I've not developed |
| [16:19:11] | ** orthoevra has been reading till eyeballs caught on fire, irc is always last resort because of jerks ** | |
| [16:19:12] | Dagmar: | ...which is unfortunately the truth. |
| [16:19:14] | _talon: | i see |
| [16:19:26] | Dagmar: | Creating a music player nowadays means basically creating a _database interface_ |
| [16:19:33] | _talon: | yes. |
| [16:19:44] | Dagmar: | The actual playing of an mp3 or an ogg or an aac file is trivial in it's complexity by comparison. |
| [16:19:59] | _talon: | so what are the alternatives? you could load up rhythmbox or exaile |
| [16:20:18] | Dagmar: | orthoevra: So perhaps you should take the effing hint I have dropped twice now and explain HOW YOU ARE TRYING TO CHANGE CHANNELS |
| [16:20:21] | hnitsuj: | the next trick, which NOBODY seems to have grasped yet, is actually making a decent interface paradigm capable of managing the kind of size of collections people have these days |
| [16:20:34] | Dagmar: | talon: Me, I'm thinking making it read someone else's common playlist format for starters. |
| [16:20:40] | Dagmar: | ...and then a web interface. |
| [16:20:42] | _talon: | XBMC's music interface is OK |
| [16:20:49] | Dagmar: | Hitting up playlists from a remote is pretty easy |
| [16:20:50] | _talon: | it's simple, but it does the job |
| [16:20:50] | hnitsuj: | it's a file browser |
| [16:20:58] | _talon: | no, it has a library feature also |
| [16:21:10] | Dagmar: | Creating a playlist using a remote is a bloody nightmare |
| [16:21:10] | _talon: | it is fit for purpose |
| [16:21:17] | _talon: | yes, it's not easy |
| [16:21:18] | hnitsuj: | _talon: barely |
| [16:21:36] | orthoevra: | Darmar: heh.. not with an external script.. using up and down arrows (which used to work) mythtv 0.20, Fedora 8, Hauppauge 950, channels table looks OK |
| [16:21:51] | Dagmar: | I'm going to assume you mean a Hauppage 150 there |
| [16:21:52] | hnitsuj: | basically, a remote is never going to be usable to manage billions of tracks |
| [16:21:59] | orthoevra: | 950 |
| [16:22:21] | hnitsuj: | hvr 950? |
| [16:22:31] | Dagmar: | http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_hvr950.html |
| [16:22:34] | Dagmar: | No idea about that one |
| [16:22:35] | hnitsuj: | ahh HDTV & lamegrabber rolled into one. blech |
| [16:22:38] | orthoevra: | yes, wintv hvr 950.. used to work great! |
| [16:22:41] | Dagmar: | I'd definitely check the syslog either way |
| [16:22:48] | _talon: | if you could use MythTV to start an external program, say exaile, then you could just run it fullscreen on a small display and use touch to drag tunes into your playlist. Exaile's interface is good, and it *definitely* suppports mice. |
| [16:22:48] | emacsen: | okay... now I have video... but it's... umm... like I only see one of image of every second |
| [16:22:58] | emacsen: | can someone tell me what to google for that? |
| [16:23:12] | hnitsuj: | _talon: calling external apps from the main menu is a doddle |
| [16:23:17] | Dagmar: | the one really useful thing about Linux is that 90% of the time when something fails, the software is not only complaining about it (in the syslog) but telling what you need to do to fix it |
| [16:23:30] | hnitsuj: | emacsen: ENOTENOUGHCPU ? |
| [16:23:46] | emacsen: | hnitsuj, the CPU isn't pegged |
| [16:24:02] | _talon: | but does MythTV run full screen behind the external apps? would Exaile be able to come to the front and grab the mouse? |
| [16:24:14] | emacsen: | 20% idle |
| [16:24:23] | hnitsuj: | emacsen: ATI? |
| [16:24:25] | emacsen: | oh yeah other apps are running |
| [16:24:27] | Dagmar: | orthoevra: Worst-case scenario, edit /etc/syslog.conf and add a line that says something like "*.* /var/log/kitchensink" and then `killall -HUP syslog` |
| [16:24:30] | emacsen: | hnitsuj, Nnvidia |
| [16:24:32] | orthoevra: | i tried that too :( run mythtv from shell, try to change channels, output to shell says nothing about errors or channel changing, next step is to wipe DB and rebuild from scratch |
| [16:24:48] | orthoevra: | Dag: ok ill try that |
| [16:24:49] | hnitsuj: | emacsen: binary restricted driver? or 'nv' ? |
| [16:24:53] | Dagmar: | The /var/log/kitchensink file will get a bit spammy, but you will DEFINITELY see craptons of stuff about what the box considered worth carping about |
| [16:24:58] | emacsen: | binary driver I believe |
| [16:25:02] | emacsen: | it's composite |
| [16:25:06] | emacsen: | (s-video) |
| [16:25:10] | Dagmar: | There's a very good chance that something is complaining to the syslog when it fails to change the channel |
| [16:25:45] | Dagmar: | I would also unplug the device, and then plug it back in while watching the syslog output in realtime |
| [16:25:57] | Dagmar: | If there's something going wrong at the USB driver level, it'll complain loudly. |
| [16:26:14] | Dagmar: | Anyway, time for a smoke and reading more of this excellent paper from FAST about drive failure rates |
| [16:26:27] | _talon: | thanks for the advice in here, i think i will still go for the zalman w/ 7" touchscreen if I can use it with Exaile for tunes |
| [16:26:37] | _talon: | which seems like it should be possible |
| [16:27:07] | _talon: | otherwise it'll just have to scroll my syslog until mouse support comes along and mythmusic gets better |
| [16:28:49] | hnitsuj: | there are still some patches I want to complete, just for my own benefit & if anybody else likes em maybe they'll be included |
| [16:29:30] | Dagmar: | orthoevra: By the way, if most of those people you're seeing are all using the 950, you can probably suspect a bug in it's driver but mainly these people are all doing something really stupid with firewire or IR |
| [16:30:08] | Dagmar: | One of the most common causes of "I can't change channels" is "user didn't bother to actually set anything up to change channels" and they're wanting a hand-holding, which is why they get ignored a lot. |
| [16:30:14] | orthoevra: | Dag: well so far im the only one with this issue and the 950, others have various cards |
| [16:30:31] | ** orthoevra is rebuilding DB from scratch now ** | |
| [16:31:08] | ** _talon is grateful for the advice, and searching the sofa for extra funds for his HTPC case ** | |
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| [16:31:51] | hnitsuj: | orthoevra: look in the backend log first. bloody hell man |
| [16:32:10] | orthoevra: | did, nothing looked suspicious at all |
| [16:32:24] | orthoevra: | just got done scrolling thru all that |
| [16:32:26] | hnitsuj: | you might want to mention titbits like that next time :) |
| [16:34:26] | tjcarter: | hm, does the average AV receiver with HDMI and component inputs allow component output of HDMI input? |
| [16:37:18] | tjcarter: | a product description suggests otherwise, but this thing's a Sony, so I rather highly doubt it =D |
| [16:40:51] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: That's a bit of a broken question |
| [16:41:00] | Dagmar: | HDMI is a protocol. |
| [16:41:10] | Dagmar: | Composite input is just plain raw video signal. |
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| [17:15:56] | orthoevra: | DB dropped, drivers re-compiled from scratch, reboot, rebuilding DB *crossing fingers* almost done scanning channels |
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| [17:16:40] | madsage: | good morning |
| [17:17:12] | orthoevra: | is it? is it really? ;) |
| [17:17:38] | madsage: | yeah its okay here in phoenix area |
| [17:18:06] | orthoevra: | WA state here.. 40 deg |
| [17:18:30] | madsage: | ahh man thats cold |
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| [17:18:44] | madsage: | i've heard wa is very pretty though |
| [17:18:54] | orthoevra: | u could say that |
| [17:19:35] | madsage: | if you like mountains and pines |
| [17:19:43] | madsage: | anyways |
| [17:20:06] | orthoevra: | SUCCESS! problem: channels wont change anymore solution: rebuild drivers and DB from scratch |
| [17:20:13] | ** orthoevra can now change channels again ** | |
| [17:21:13] | Dagmar: | Okay, that's odd. |
| [17:21:20] | Dagmar: | Only one of those two things should have been necessary |
| [17:21:29] | Dagmar: | ...but if it works, screw worrying about it,. |
| [17:21:54] | orthoevra: | well i recompiled drivers just as a "just incase" i think rebuilding DB would have been enough |
| [17:22:16] | madsage: | who knows hardware around here, i bought a pci-e dvb-s card and azurewave as-se200(1028), i guess i should have checked the support list before i bought it, but i see some indication some people are using it. the driver at twinhan doesnt list the (1028) |
| [17:25:08] | madsage: | i tried the AD-SP200(1027) pci driver and no luck ofcourse. |
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| [17:35:36] | markl_: | is there a general opinion on this version of mythtv: 0.20.2–0ubuntu0.7.04.1 |
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| [17:48:20] | hnitsuj: | in a couple of weeks or so it'll be old :) |
| [17:50:07] | hnitsuj: | gawd, I thought doing an inventory of all the electrical items in the house wouldn't take long :-\ |
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| [17:53:34] | hnitsuj: | ahhh shit. just remembered my bluetooth headset was in my coat pocket when we had the breakin. and now it's not. fs how long will it take to remember every effing thing? |
| [17:54:43] | kdub (kdub!n=kyle@24.174.8.131) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [17:55:16] | kdub: | hey can someone send me the project greyhem theme that was on justin's site? |
| [17:55:46] | psm321: | shouldn't a reschedule happen when you edit a power search rule? (it doesn't...) |
| [17:57:04] | hnitsuj: | kdub: withdrawn means just that I'm afraid. though the ones in mythtv's svn repository will work fine with 0.21 – mostly |
| [17:57:42] | psm321: | hmm it looks like editing a power search doesn't actually edit the schedule using it? is that true? |
| [17:58:08] | kdub: | grahem is on svn? |
| [17:58:19] | hnitsuj: | kdub: yeah but it won't work right with 0.20.x |
| [17:58:26] | kdub: | im on svn anyway |
| [17:58:42] | hnitsuj: | to the left of mythtv .. themes is what you want |
| [17:58:43] | kdub: | but from the atrpms packages, guess i can just grab it off the web |
| [17:58:44] | kdub: | thanks |
| [17:59:57] | kdub: | boo |
| [18:00:00] | hnitsuj: | I always expect too much. I mean, expecting not to get hate mail after announcing support was going to be discontinued... that was just silly |
| [18:00:18] | kdub: | is there a way to download a directory from trac |
| [18:00:40] | kdub: | heh |
| [18:00:51] | hnitsuj: | svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/themes/$whatever |
| [18:00:54] | Anduin: | kdub: use svn to do it (svn export) |
| [18:01:05] | kdub: | i see |
| [18:01:30] | noif: | I'm trying to setup a firewire input source from a motorola 6200. Live tv is working, but I get "FireRec, Error: TS packet out of sync" when recording. |
| [18:01:31] | hnitsuj: | export is better, then you don't get the .svn cruft |
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| [18:10:48] | madsage: | any of you you guys know dvb-s cards? i guess i'm going to fryselectronics to buy anotehr one. i cant get the azurewave pci-e card working. |
| [18:12:35] | madsage: | a recomendation would be helpful whats to look for. I printed off a supported linuxTV list, should i get one with an mpeg decoder? i'll be running a dual core core2 processor, maybe it wont matter |
| [18:12:59] | iamlindoro: | What do you plan to tune with a DVB-S card in the US? |
| [18:13:09] | madsage: | we have dish |
| [18:13:15] | iamlindoro: | won't work |
| [18:13:28] | madsage: | yeah it will |
| [18:13:34] | madsage: | i just need thedriver to load fiorst |
| [18:13:42] | iamlindoro: | not legally it won't |
| [18:13:46] | madsage: | to reconize the hardware |
| [18:13:50] | iamlindoro: | and we won't help you with that here |
| [18:14:02] | madsage: | i didnt ask for you to help me with anythign but a driver |
| [18:14:21] | madsage: | the device to be more precise |
| [18:14:21] | iamlindoro: | tough luck, nobody's going to help you period when you're trying to steal satellite... not in this room. |
| [18:14:40] | madsage: | dude, calm down the accusations |
| [18:15:12] | iamlindoro: | You said you intend to tune dish, there's no way to do so legally with myth + DVB-s... these are channel rules, boss |
| [18:15:14] | hnitsuj: | madsage: no need to calm down. you said it's for dish & all the regulars know you can't legally use a dvb-s card with it |
| [18:15:58] | madsage: | alright |
| [18:16:20] | madsage: | well no worries i just wasted $75 on a device that wont work in linux |
| [18:16:22] | madsage: | heh |
| [18:17:06] | madsage: | wont work yet, maybe somebody will fix the sub sys id or something |
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| [18:17:18] | imperfect-: | Morning. |
| [18:17:33] | imperfect-: | Anyone know if the Pinnancle HD ProSTICKs work with Myth? |
| [18:17:49] | hnitsuj: | imperfect-: does the linuxtv.org wiki know? if not, then likely not |
| [18:18:19] | iamlindoro: | http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Pinnacle/800e |
| [18:18:45] | imperfect-: | that data is like |
| [18:18:49] | imperfect-: | 8 months olod |
| [18:19:05] | iamlindoro: | And says it works... so who cares how old it is? |
| [18:19:21] | hnitsuj: | experimental 8 months ago.. could be good news |
| [18:19:49] | madsage: | welp, peace out.. thanks to the devs for all thier hard work, love the mythtv project, i've been using it on my mediacenter with cabletv forever. |
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| [18:20:05] | hnitsuj: | best bet is to grab the driver sources from their hg repository & try em out |
| [18:20:25] | imperfect-: | yeah |
| [18:20:35] | hnitsuj: | Azureus does an IRC client now? pfft |
| [18:20:39] | imperfect-: | I take it the config is similar tomy Air2PC card once the drivers work |
| [18:20:55] | imperfect-: | I read someone had issues co-existing w/ IvTv |
| [18:20:58] | imperfect-: | that makes me sad |
| [18:22:52] | iamlindoro: | I suppose it's possible the two somehow conflict, but 90 of all card coexistence problems are people being too ignorant to use udev |
| [18:22:57] | iamlindoro: | er 90% |
| [18:23:43] | hnitsuj: | iamlindoro: I had issues getting ivtv to live nicely alongside my cx88 dvb tuners a while back. took some jiggering of drivers to fix it |
| [18:23:45] | imperfect-: | yeah the driver link on tha tpage goes to an empty link |
| [18:23:47] | imperfect-: | glorious |
| [18:24:00] | iamlindoro: | hnitsuj: ah, ok, I see |
| [18:24:04] | hnitsuj: | imperfect-: grab an hg checkout. bound to be in there |
| [18:24:17] | hnitsuj: | if it's anywhere it'll be in their hg repo |
| [18:24:55] | hnitsuj: | my latest dvb tuner needed hg to make it worky |
| [18:25:32] | hnitsuj: | be nice if the linuxtv wiki was kept more up to date by the community, but they're prolly too busy enjoying working tv tuners |
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| [18:36:28] | imperfect-: | Yeah |
| [18:36:43] | imperfect-: | All I want it local shows in HD |
| [18:36:45] | imperfect-: | no big deal |
| [18:36:45] | imperfect-: | ;) |
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| [18:39:41] | ** hnitsuj wonders if anybody who puts freeview EPG data on their own server is aware of the problems that caused in other parts of Europe ** | |
| [18:39:57] | hnitsuj: | their own _web_ server I mean. as in accessible by anybody |
| [18:43:07] | imperfect-: | v4l1-compat.c:150: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'palette_to_pixelformat' |
| [18:43:10] | imperfect-: | BAH |
| [18:45:22] | hnitsuj: | ma9mwah|c2d: so, where is all that tv guide data from then? do you have permission to redistribute it? |
| [18:49:08] | hnitsuj: | not freeview – seems to be quite a bit of data. not uk_rt since the data differs.. wonder if it's bleb |
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| [18:50:30] | hnitsuj: | wonder if it's digiguide.. they def. don't take kindly to redistribution |
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| [18:54:03] | imperfect-: | Anyone have issues with the damn hg stuff not compiling? |
| [18:54:04] | larrydag: | hi. does mythtv natively support x10 or home automation? |
| [18:55:41] | hnitsuj: | larrydag: nope |
| [18:56:13] | imperfect-: | ad ti stop it off, I can't even watch DVD's |
| [18:56:17] | imperfect-: | I keep getting ac3 @ 0x2b3a28c2c4f0]buffer 192000 too small |
| [18:56:24] | imperfect-: | Anyone have an ideas at all? |
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| [18:56:46] | _gunni_: | larrydag: you should have a look at linuxmce http://www.linuxmce.org/ |
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| [18:58:45] | hnitsuj: | and after looking at it, forget that you saw it ;) |
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| [18:59:29] | Coded1: | im in the planning phase of putting together a HTPC with linux. are there benchmarks / recomendations around that I can use to determine the best hardware choices? |
| [19:00:19] | Coded1: | it has to be able to handle 1080p with out problem |
| [19:00:52] | Coded1: | aside from that maybe some light gaming with EMU's (n64, PS1, rom) |
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| [19:05:52] | matty-: | When I try to rip and transcode a DVD in "Import DVD", it gets to "Transcode is thinking..." for a few seconds and then finishes. When I run mtd in the console, it says everything completed successfully, but there is no AVI file. I manually transcoded the VOB as the mythtv user, and it ran fine. Any ideas why it is not working? I'm on Gentoo (MythDVD is 0.20.2_p14282). |
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| [19:08:09] | larrydag: | thanks gunni. |
| [19:14:25] | iamlindoro_: | matty-: Those issues are almost invariably permissions issues. Keep in mind there is the "working directory" for the rip, and the output directory (usually your mythvideo directory). Probably whichever user spawns the mtd process hasn't got write permissions on the output directory. |
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| [19:15:44] | iamlindoro_: | Coded1: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD_Playback_Reports In short, if you expect to playback full blu-ray bitrate rips and not just random stuff you download at 1080p, you will need *at least* a C2D 2.2 Ghz or equivalent/better |
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| [19:17:03] | matty-: | iamlindoro, I've checked the permissions. /var/lib/mythdvd/temp/ exists and mythtv user has full control to it and also the output directory. |
| [19:17:18] | matty-: | iamlindoro, mtd is running as root |
| [19:18:20] | iamlindoro_: | Sounds like you might be running mythbuntu |
| [19:18:38] | matty-: | iamlindoro, me? |
| [19:18:41] | iamlindoro_: | oooh, sorry, Gentoo |
| [19:18:48] | matty-: | iamlindoro, yeah |
| [19:20:06] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, dunno, then... I still suspect you might be missing something re: permissions, but you probably ought to run mythbackend with -v all (and mtd with -v all) to see what's really going on |
| [19:22:24] | matty-: | iamlindoro, possibly, but I have no idea where else to look. The mythtv backend logs show nothing and mtd doesn't have a verbose option. |
| [19:22:40] | iamlindoro_: | mtd most certainly does |
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| [19:23:04] | iamlindoro_: | Unless it's been added since .20.2, which I don't think sounds right |
| [19:23:30] | matty-: | iamlindoro, says the only valid options are -p, -d, -n |
| [19:23:37] | matty-: | for port, daemon, and nodaemon |
| [19:23:41] | iamlindoro_: | matty-: did you *try* -v all? |
| [19:23:49] | matty-: | iamlindoro, yes |
| [19:23:57] | iamlindoro_: | hmm, weird, must be new since .20.2 then |
| [19:24:10] | iamlindoro_: | anyway works fine here... would probably help too |
| [19:24:31] | xand: | !remind me in 10 mins . |
| [19:24:35] | xand: | oops wrong window |
| [19:26:23] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: If you're still around and see this later or somethig, a touchscreen interface would MUCH more easily be handled by something running over HTTP at this point |
| [19:27:04] | matty-: | iamlindoro, ah my mistake. just having "-v all" does work. |
| [19:27:46] | Dagmar: | I can't @#$@# believe I didn't think to say that while he was here |
| [19:28:12] | Dagmar: | ...considering I wrote about 2/3 of such a thing |
| [19:29:13] | Dagmar: | Someone else was working on one as a native DS program, but I don't think they got real far |
| [19:29:30] | Dagmar: | You definitely don't want to try to use the browser on the DS for anything serious |
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| [19:34:39] | echosyp: | i only have one tuner, how can i watch the same program on multiple computers |
| [19:34:54] | emacsen: | I have "specles" at the top of my TV signal |
| [19:35:05] | emacsen: | can someone tell me what to google to get rid of them? |
| [19:35:40] | emacsen: | little bars |
| [19:35:48] | echosyp: | i do too |
| [19:36:04] | echosyp: | but only on some comercials |
| [19:36:04] | echosyp: | commercials* |
| [19:36:35] | emacsen: | I have it all the time |
| [19:36:46] | echosyp: | idk what causes it |
| [19:37:05] | echosyp: | have you tried changing the aspect ratio? |
| [19:37:25] | emacsen: | not directly |
| [19:38:00] | emacsen: | it's weird but it only happened when I changed input sources |
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| [19:43:00] | echosyp: | im tring to figure out how i can watch one channel on multiple computers with one tuner |
| [19:44:12] | imperfect-: | well |
| [19:44:13] | imperfect-: | neato |
| [19:44:16] | imperfect-: | now ivitv is broke |
| [19:44:19] | imperfect-: | and my computer sucks |
| [19:44:20] | imperfect-: | sigh |
| [19:44:31] | Dagmar: | The good news: You get to keep all the broken pieces for free. |
| [19:45:59] | echosyp: | heh |
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| [20:20:06] | larrydag: | anyone used this case before? http://www.directron.com/dm317.html |
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| [20:23:35] | clever[rev]: | yay another core dump! |
| [20:23:41] | clever[rev]: | all i did was punch i while watching tv |
| [20:24:09] | clever[rev]: | #0 0x0807e3e0 in RingBuffer::isDVD (this=0x0) at RingBuffer.h:92 |
| [20:24:12] | clever[rev]: | #1 0xb7972ecf in TV::ToggleOSD (this=0x842d1f0, includeStatusOSD=true) at tv_play.cpp:5143 |
| [20:24:25] | echosyp: | i can't linux to play dvds at all |
| [20:24:29] | echosyp: | whats up with that |
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| [20:25:07] | echosyp: | i have 3 laptops and a desktop and none of them will play |
| [20:25:42] | larrydag: | what version of linux are you using echosyp? |
| [20:25:51] | echosyp: | ubuntu 7.10 |
| [20:26:06] | echosyp: | on all of them |
| [20:26:08] | larrydag: | you might need to install media codecs |
| [20:26:16] | echosyp: | i did that |
| [20:26:18] | matty-: | libdvdcss |
| [20:26:20] | naveen: | hello there. Do I have to get SD to view / record ? Is there a way to manually setup recordings ? |
| [20:26:21] | echosyp: | yeah |
| [20:27:16] | larrydag: | try this link echosyp http://www.geektips.net/102/play-dvd-on-linux-ubuntu.html |
| [20:28:05] | larrydag: | remember google is your friend |
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| [20:29:37] | engi1: | Hi. When there's a glitch in the tv from our DVB receiver myth appears to drop the audio level then slowly bring it up. Is there a way to disable this behaviour, or speed up the return to a normal level? |
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| [20:39:30] | echosyp: | wow |
| [20:39:37] | echosyp: | i thought i had installed libdvdcss |
| [20:39:40] | echosyp: | apparently not |
| [20:39:42] | echosyp: | thanks for that |
| [20:39:52] | echosyp: | now they all play dvds |
| [20:39:53] | echosyp: | woot |
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| [20:51:00] | macly: | if I set the master volume on mythtv, when does it get set? instantly, or at restart? |
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| [20:51:19] | macly: | (set master volume using settings->general |
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| [20:53:00] | Anduin: | macly: playback start |
| [20:53:22] | macly: | Anduin, Ahh, cool |
| [20:53:48] | macly: | tv playback? (rather, I assume if I use mythvideo, it does NOT set the volume) |
| [20:56:05] | clever[rev]: | depends on if you use the internal player |
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| [21:02:58] | macly: | clever[rev], thanks |
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| [21:09:17] | noif: | I'm recording from a motorola 6200 over firewire and during the first 30 seconds of recording i get "TS packet out of sync" |
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| [21:20:24] | iamlindoro: | noif: Have you stabilized the connection with the box? (Something, by the way, that you need to do after every reboot or unplugging of the STB) |
| [21:21:08] | iamlindoro: | My first hunch would be that you neglected to do one of the steps from the wiki firewire page or that you didn't know you needed to restabilize the connection |
| [21:21:32] | noif: | yes, bcast is stable |
| [21:23:57] | iamlindoro: | http://threebit.net/mail-archive/mythtv-dev/msg06491.html seems to suggest that it may have something to do with your firewire chipset-- I do know from hearing that various firewire chipsets are problematic |
| [21:25:18] | noif: | I was worried about that... i'm using an Agere card |
| [21:26:13] | iamlindoro: | on the wiki page, Agera Firewire says: "Channel change is reliable. Capture is not. Seems that test-mpeg2 always works but sometimes data doesn't start flowing until after myth's timeout, resulting in missed recordings and flakey livetv. Similar setup – Attempted both P2P and Broadcast, same results – reliable channel changing, but very unreliable capture. Priming/soft reseting did not help – requires disconnecting the FireWi |
| [21:26:18] | iamlindoro: | er Agere |
| [21:26:38] | iamlindoro: | And that's with a 6200 |
| [21:26:39] | noif: | there's more than one report about Agere on the wiki |
| [21:27:19] | iamlindoro: | But there are two negative reports to one positive... I expect you are yet another negative |
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| [21:31:13] | noif: | perhaps. Should I try a different chipset? |
| [21:31:38] | noif: | my experience doesn't quite match any of the Agere reports |
| [21:31:58] | iamlindoro: | I use the TI chipset, works perfectly |
| [21:32:23] | noif: | with a 6200? |
| [21:33:24] | iamlindoro: | 3200, but it's the same moto generation and has identical firewire from what I understand |
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| [21:33:53] | iamlindoro: | just not DVR |
| [21:37:10] | iamlindoro: | erm, sorry, my attention is split, what I meant was the 3200 is digital only and the 6200 also has an analog tuner (transparent to you)... but the firewire and interface are the same between the two |
| [21:38:07] | noif: | right, it's not a pvr |
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| [21:56:06] | aragorn101: | anyone done mythtv with remotely mouted disk? |
| [21:56:14] | aragorn101: | er mounted |
| [21:56:36] | iamlindoro_: | aragorn101: Although I do not, many many people do |
| [21:56:52] | aragorn101: | any idea how viable it is? |
| [21:57:08] | iamlindoro_: | perfectly viable |
| [21:57:18] | aragorn101: | I have a file / mysql server, but I would rather keep the myth software off it for revision control reasons... |
| [21:57:26] | aragorn101: | (myth would be updated much more frequently) |
| [21:57:33] | aragorn101: | transcode doesn't destroy the network or anything? |
| [21:57:49] | iamlindoro_: | Oh, if all you mean is mounting the file shares, that's quite easy... video is very very low bitrate compared to network throughput |
| [21:58:04] | AcTiVaTe: | nah, just he box transcode runs on is destroyed |
| [21:58:07] | AcTiVaTe: | ;) |
| [21:58:08] | aragorn101: | (note i'm not talking having seperate frontend/backend... i'm talking storage seperate from backend entirely) |
| [21:58:08] | iamlindoro_: | aragorn101: we are talking *tiny* bitrates here... even Blu-ray maxes out at 40 Mbit |
| [21:58:24] | iamlindoro_: | aragorn101: In that case, many many more do that-- including me. |
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| [21:58:47] | aragorn101: | what proto do you use? |
| [21:58:53] | iamlindoro_: | if you are running at least 100 Mbit, you shouldn't have a problem in small setups... gigabit, you'll never have network throughput issues |
| [21:59:05] | iamlindoro_: | nfsmounts, but Samba works perfectly acceptably as well |
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| [21:59:56] | aragorn101: | anything special to do other than making sure the remote mounts are in place before myth? |
| [22:00:25] | iamlindoro_: | nope |
| [22:00:38] | aragorn101: | cool... thanks for the help! |
| [22:00:57] | iamlindoro_: | and really only the recordings directory needs to be present before the backend starts, all the movies, music, etc only need to be present when you attempt to play them |
| [22:01:11] | iamlindoro_: | no problem, you probably won't have any issues presuming adequate network bandwidth |
| [22:01:44] | markl_: | aragorn101: i've been using nfs for myth for awhile and it works decently |
| [22:01:48] | aragorn101: | what i'm thinking right now is 100MB wired between the backend and storage.. wireless between front/backend.... |
| [22:02:03] | markl_: | aragorn101: hi def or standard? |
| [22:02:15] | markl_: | or just videos |
| [22:02:18] | aragorn101: | i've done the wireless frontend/backend before... it's a little sketchy, so trying to avoid it tho.. |
| [22:02:21] | iamlindoro_: | aragorn101: as long as you are only doing Standard Def that should be *possible*... I personally would never use wireless, it's simply to wonky |
| [22:02:21] | aragorn101: | SD to start with... |
| [22:02:27] | iamlindoro_: | er too |
| [22:02:28] | aragorn101: | i don't have HD equipment (at least yeat) |
| [22:02:42] | clever[rev]: | `e ping |
| [22:02:44] | clever[rev]: | ping == ping |
| [22:02:46] | iamlindoro_: | you will need to ditch the wireless or go to 802.11n if you go to HD |
| [22:02:56] | aragorn101: | yeah i figured... |
| [22:03:20] | aragorn101: | if the remote storage works I'll probably have a frontend/backend for my HD set tho.. |
| [22:03:42] | aragorn101: | otherwise i'll have to continue to have the backend in my main server (far from ideal for my setup_ |
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| [22:08:06] | iamlindoro_: | Oooh, 2 PM, time for a beer |
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| [22:20:27] | kristok: | a question about IR blasters |
| [22:20:48] | kristok: | the plastic housing around the diode – is it transparent all the way around |
| [22:20:57] | kristok: | or is there a certain direction the signal will be blocked? |
| [22:23:16] | iamlindoro_: | depends on the manufacturing, but in general some IR signal is emitted in all directions, but mostly downward |
| [22:24:20] | kristok: | what do you mean by 'downward' |
| [22:24:28] | kristok: | is that away from the direction the cable comes in? |
| [22:24:35] | iamlindoro_: | in the direction of the flat side of the blaster |
| [22:24:59] | iamlindoro_: | some signal will escape in other directions, though |
| [22:25:07] | iamlindoro_: | (in general) |
| [22:25:09] | kristok: | the flat side being where the sticky pad is |
| [22:25:19] | iamlindoro_: | correct |
| [22:25:26] | kristok: | thanks |
| [22:25:32] | iamlindoro_: | np |
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| [22:35:33] | emacsen: | How do I point mythtv to my Miro videos? |
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| [22:39:14] | iamlindoro_: | Change the directory mythvideo looks at in Video Settings->General or symlink your Miro directory somewhere under your MythVideo directory |
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| [22:50:57] | emacsen: | and I guess I need to either transcode my videos or set mythvideo up to use an external player? |
| [22:51:35] | iamlindoro_: | Unlikely, you probably just need to set up the file extention. |
| [22:51:41] | iamlindoro_: | er extension |
| [22:51:51] | emacsen: | well it didn't know about "avi" |
| [22:51:56] | emacsen: | that didn't bode well :) |
| [22:52:04] | iamlindoro_: | Media Settings->Video Settings->File Types |
| [22:52:09] | iamlindoro_: | Internal plays avi fine |
| [22:52:14] | emacsen: | it seems odd that mythtv doesn't have a video podcast client |
| [22:52:33] | emacsen: | aggregator |
| [22:52:43] | emacsen: | they're not hard to write. I wrote one myself once |
| [22:52:49] | iamlindoro_: | there is a non-official plugin (mythstream) and if you'd like an official one I'm sure the devs wouldn't mind you doing so |
| [22:53:22] | directhex: | iamlindoro, they would mind, because some tv torrent sites aggregate via rss |
| [22:54:06] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Well, a torrent client versus an RSS podcast client are two entirely different matters |
| [22:54:32] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: My understanding is that the mythstream guy was asked to make some minor changes and never came back with them |
| [22:58:41] | emacsen: | miro does it. Why is that a big deal? |
| [22:59:02] | emacsen: | because /in theory/ someone could use it to copy material without owner's permission? |
| [22:59:57] | directhex: | emacsen, largely. same reason nobody talks about softcams in here, dispite theoretical non-infringing uses |
| [23:00:06] | iamlindoro_: | emacsen: It's not hard to imagine what most users would be torrenting if myth could pull down RSS torrent feeds... myth devs go out of their way to stay on the up and up. Also, fundamentally, Myth's purpose is to be a PVR/Media Center, not an everything and the kitchen sink |
| [23:00:10] | emacsen: | I don't even know what a softcam is |
| [23:00:43] | emacsen: | when I saw the "mythtv web browser", I figured all bets were off |
| [23:00:56] | iamlindoro_: | It's already bad enough arguing with every idiot who says his P4 can play 1080p video when the only thing he's playing is the sorry-excuse-ofr-bitrate shit downloaded on the internet |
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| [23:01:18] | emacsen: | I just want to watch Democracy Now |
| [23:01:41] | iamlindoro_: | emacsen: So download it, and import it into mythvideo. Not hard |
| [23:01:52] | directhex: | iamlindoro, another "hdtv" download with 624x352 in it :( |
| [23:02:07] | Justin___: | When trying to watch Live TV, I'm getting the "already using all available inputs" message. I don't have any channels tuned or recording. I've searched and found others with this problem. The only solution I've seen is to delete and re-add the source. This seems to only be a temporary fix, since I'm getting the same problem again. Any ideas? |
| [23:02:09] | emacsen: | when you say import it, is there a tool that myth has to do the transcoding, etc? or do you mean do it myself? |
| [23:02:33] | directhex: | emacsen, transcode? internal plays pretty much anything |
| [23:02:34] | Justin___: | Of the multiple reported cases of this, it seems to affect network (hdhr), pci, and firewire tuners |
| [23:02:36] | iamlindoro_: | emacsen: if it's just an avi, no transcoding will be necessary |
| [23:03:02] | directhex: | Justin___, tends to happen when the device that should be recording can't be contacted. check your backend logs |
| [23:03:51] | iamlindoro_: | Justin___: Further, if it happens after a reboot, odds are your inputs are getting renumbered each time, and you will need to look into udev rules |
| [23:04:14] | iamlindoro_: | (that, of course, presumes you have more than one tuner) |
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| [23:05:39] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: I don't think I mind people being ignorant when they keep it to themselves, but when they come in here and tell people their machine is fast enough to play "1080p video" (whatever that means without quoting bitrates) because they can play some trash off the internet, it gets under my nerves... case in point, your "HDTV download" :) |
| [23:05:40] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [23:05:59] | Justin___: | thanks iamlindoro, that gives me someplace to start |
| [23:06:04] | iamlindoro_: | "Oh, I *totally* downloaded some HD and my myth system plays it fine!" |
| [23:06:35] | directhex: | iamlindoro, set up an autoresponder in your ic client to say "MOAR MHZ" whenever someone says "hd" |
| [23:07:00] | iamlindoro_: | Justin___: directhex and I are almost certainly talking about the same thing--- if the inputs get renumbered, then myth won't open any of them, and will have 0 inputs... and will respond with the "no available inputs" dealie |
| [23:07:10] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Hahaha, I totally quoted you earlier (or maybe last night) |
| [23:07:17] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: w/ the MOAR MHZ bit |
| [23:07:28] | Justin___: | iamlindoro, ok, I'm going to try removing one of my inputs |
| [23:07:51] | Justin___: | although i actually only have on input connection established |
| [23:08:01] | Justin___: | the other has no channels assigned and no source |
| [23:08:08] | iamlindoro_: | Justin___: Having a single card should survive a reboot every time-- having more than one virtually assures you will need to use udev rules or at least some blacklisting and manual modprobing |
| [23:08:26] | iamlindoro_: | Justin___: Doesn't matter, it's *linux* that's renumbering them, not myth |
| [23:08:52] | Justin___: | well i don't have any physical tuners at all in the system... hdhomerun and firewire cable box |
| [23:09:10] | iamlindoro_: | ie video1 and 0 will switch positions randomly on reboots without udev... and myth will try to open the one that's always been x random tuner card, it doesn't open the same way any more, and *puke* |
| [23:09:33] | iamlindoro_: | Justin___: Ah, may be a different matter then... as directhex suggested, first stop is the backend logs |
| [23:10:28] | Cackette: | How can I transfer a movie from a Windows XP machine on the same network to my Mythbox? |
| [23:10:42] | Justin___: | i have heard that with firewire the node can switch or something |
| [23:11:02] | Justin___: | which is why the latest build it now address by the id instead of port:node |
| [23:11:08] | iamlindoro_: | Justin___: It can, in .20.2... I believe that issue is solved in recent trunk w/ usage of GUIDs instead |
| [23:11:31] | Justin___: | exactly, but other stuff is messed up and firewire tuning doesn't work at all |
| [23:11:35] | Justin___: | already been down that path |
| [23:11:57] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: Presuming you are using something with GDM, There is usually a Places menu with "Network" in it... should show windows shares on your network |
| [23:12:05] | iamlindoro_: | GDM = Gnome |
| [23:12:13] | Cackette: | whats mythbuntu use |
| [23:12:26] | iamlindoro_: | who knows, seems to change every Tuesday |
| [23:12:42] | Cackette: | i'll take a look around for a network share |
| [23:12:43] | iamlindoro_: | may just need to suck it up and man smbmount |
| [23:12:53] | Cackette: | i dont know what that is lol |
| [23:13:05] | iamlindoro_: | type man smbmount into a terminal and you will |
| [23:13:13] | Justin___: | well plugreport is showing the cable box is still on the same node, so that shouldnt be the issue |
| [23:13:25] | emacsen: | iamlindoro, Does myth bring in a lot of the crowd who don't know GNU/Linux? |
| [23:13:36] | iamlindoro_: | emacsen: Extremely a lot yes. :) |
| [23:13:46] | emacsen: | iamlindoro, weird. |
| [23:13:48] | Justin___: | just deleted and readded the input and it works :( so weird. |
| [23:14:08] | emacsen: | I'm kinda surprised myth doesn't use gstreamer |
| [23:14:11] | iamlindoro_: | emacsen: The pull of the Myth is strong :) |
| [23:14:13] | Justin___: | wish i could figure this out so i dont need to do it every other day and miss recordings |
| [23:15:00] | iamlindoro_: | Justin___: If it *is* a node/port issue, then .21 will be out RSN and hopefully that should offer some relief |
| [23:15:35] | Justin___: | iamlindoro; i tried the .21 fixes and firewire doesn't work at all with it. shows one frame and freezes |
| [23:15:38] | emacsen: | what I wouldn't give for a room where i could stick the myth backend so it wasn't also the frontend |
| [23:15:55] | iamlindoro_: | Justin___: Let's be fair, *your* firewire doesn't work ;) |
| [23:16:04] | iamlindoro_: | Mine is shiny |
| [23:16:18] | Justin___: | well someone else was in here the other night with the same exact problem |
| [23:16:27] | Cackette: | hrmm, i looked around the menu |
| [23:16:37] | Cackette: | closest thing i found was System > Shared Folders |
| [23:16:48] | Cackette: | but that was shared folders on the mythbox, not the network |
| [23:17:07] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: You're probably gonna have to do it the ol' fashioned way... apt-get install samba smbfs, then man mount.cifs |
| [23:17:09] | emacsen: | there's some network thing in Places |
| [23:17:19] | iamlindoro_: | actaully, that's technically the newfangled way, but whatevs |
| [23:17:20] | emacsen: | iamlindoro, nah. the menus will do that for her |
| [23:17:26] | Cackette: | her? |
| [23:17:29] | iamlindoro_: | emacsen: in XFCE? |
| [23:17:42] | emacsen: | they're using XFCE? |
| [23:17:43] | Cackette: | wheres Places, i didnt see that |
| [23:17:46] | iamlindoro_: | emacsen: yep |
| [23:17:52] | Cackette: | whats XFCE |
| [23:17:52] | iamlindoro_: | no GDM on mythbuntu |
| [23:17:54] | emacsen: | oh, yeah time to bring out the tools! |
| [23:17:57] | emacsen: | oh. heh |
| [23:17:58] | emacsen: | nice |
| [23:17:59] | iamlindoro_: | your window manaver |
| [23:18:03] | iamlindoro_: | manager |
| [23:18:10] | Cackette: | ugh |
| [23:18:13] | Cackette: | gotta make this hard? |
| [23:18:21] | emacsen: | no, this isn't that hard |
| [23:18:24] | iamlindoro_: | Yep, I personally am making it hard. Only to be mean. |
| [23:18:33] | emacsen: | this is just slightly harder then it would be with the gui |
| [23:18:42] | Cackette: | weird thing is that i can see the mythbox in My Network Places on this computer |
| [23:18:50] | Cackette: | shouldnt i just be able to drag and drop? |
| [23:18:56] | emacsen: | though it would be nice if xfce had an avahi aware networking thing (though it wouldn't help) |
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| [23:19:16] | emacsen: | Cackette, you can drag yourself to the keyboard and drop down your fingers into "apt-get install smbmount" |
| [23:19:34] | Cackette: | why do that if i can drag and drop directly to my '/videos/ on htpc server' |
| [23:19:49] | Cackette: | videos on htpc server (Samba, Mythbuntu) (Htpc) |
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| [23:20:01] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: If you can see your myth box in your windows network, you can look up how to set up a share with the /etc/samba/smb.conf file, too, that would also work |
| [23:20:01] | emacsen: | look you chose to use mythbuntu |
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| [23:20:26] | Cackette: | yeah, it is a problem actually |
| [23:20:31] | Cackette: | access denied to that folder |
| [23:20:52] | Cackette: | gotta do the smb.conf thing? |
| [23:20:54] | iamlindoro_: | So change the perms on it (I think anything over 666 ought to do) |
| [23:21:08] | Cackette: | ok |
| [23:21:10] | Cackette: | lemme give it a shot |
| [23:21:37] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: why are you so loathe to do anything via config files? No offense intended when I say that you probably ought to get used to it if you want myth to do anything remotely fancy |
| [23:21:52] | iamlindoro_: | s/config files/command line/ |
| [23:22:04] | emacsen: | dn2008–0229_256kb.mp4: ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, version 2 |
| [23:22:13] | emacsen: | let's hope mythvideo can grok that |
| [23:22:34] | iamlindoro_: | emacsen: mp4s will play okish in internal (much better in current trunk, though-- you may have seeking issues) |
| [23:22:57] | iamlindoro_: | emacsen: Like I said before, you're gonna need to add the extension in the File Types" menu |
| [23:23:19] | iamlindoro_: | but it should more or less work after doing that and popping in and out of video manager |
| [23:23:21] | emacsen: | yeah, first I'm moving the file |
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| [23:24:11] | padrino: | I'm trying to get the 0.20.2 backend package for OSX but the sniderpad.com has been down for quite some time, does anyone know where I might pull the package? |
| [23:24:16] | Cackette: | do i have to go higher than 666? |
| [23:24:17] | Cackette: | or just 666 |
| [23:24:20] | iamlindoro_: | emacsen: MKV, TS, VOB, and MP4 seeking have all improved from basically nonexistent to fully working in the past few weeks, so .21 is probably when it will become fully functional for you (you can use set up certain filetypes to use an external player until then) |
| [23:24:39] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: I'm speaking from memory-- if you're worried (and not worried about security) then 777 it |
| [23:24:46] | Cackette: | i set it to 666, and access denied |
| [23:24:55] | Cackette: | whats there to be worried about |
| [23:24:56] | emacsen: | hey hey, it works |
| [23:24:59] | Cackette: | security-wise |
| [23:25:05] | emacsen: | oh wow, it's NICE |
| [23:25:30] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: If you have many users using the same system with different logins, they would all have full write accss to that directory-- probably not relevant for you. |
| [23:25:33] | emacsen: | well the DN video quality is shit but that's not myth's fault |
| [23:26:07] | Cackette: | yeah, its just a home network |
| [23:26:07] | iamlindoro_: | emacsen: I'm eextreeeeeeemely partial to the internal player myself, which is why the recent fixes have me very jazzed-- have been able to dump spawning mplayer for a lot of stuff |
| [23:26:12] | Cackette: | nobody smart enough to do anything |
| [23:26:23] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: Then I would guess it's totally fine |
| [23:26:26] | Cackette: | hrmm, even @ 755, i cant access it |
| [23:26:31] | Cackette: | might as well give 777 a shot |
| [23:26:58] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: If you can't write it at 777, then it's samba setup issues-- you will need to look into proper etting-- but I will pastebin my Move share entry in my smb.conf for you |
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| [23:27:15] | emacsen: | iamlindoro, what's myth internal video player? xine? xlc? |
| [23:27:18] | Cackette: | \\HTPC\videos is not accessible. |
| [23:27:19] | emacsen: | erm vlc |
| [23:27:20] | Cackette: | @ 777 |
| [23:27:33] | iamlindoro_: | emacsen: it has its own based on libavcodec |
| [23:27:36] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: http://rafb.net/p/mdOxfQ12.html |
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| [23:27:44] | emacsen: | iamlindoro, oh. ok |
| [23:27:47] | iamlindoro_: | emacsen: essentially, like mplayer/xine/etc it's ffmpeg based |
| [23:28:03] | Cackette: | wheres that go |
| [23:28:08] | emacsen: | gotcha |
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| [23:28:13] | cheeseboy: | hi |
| [23:28:16] | cheeseboy: | http://rafb.net/p/WcShCO78.html |
| [23:28:16] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: That's an example of an entry for a share in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| [23:28:22] | cheeseboy: | how do i fix that? |
| [23:28:25] | Cackette: | ok |
| [23:30:23] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: They're usually at the bottom of the file-- find the one for your video share and make it match the one I pasted (insert your directory, of course)... then you will need to restart samba (sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart) and you should find that the share appears from your windows system and is writable |
| [23:30:38] | cheeseboy: | anyone know? |
| [23:30:48] | iamlindoro_: | cheeseboy: Has compiling previously worked? |
| [23:30:53] | cheeseboy: | nope |
| [23:30:55] | iamlindoro_: | (of myth, of course) |
| [23:30:57] | cheeseboy: | my first try |
| [23:31:09] | iamlindoro_: | cheeseboy: did you apt-get build-dep all the myth packages? |
| [23:31:17] | Cackette: | looks like smb.conf is already setup |
| [23:31:29] | cheeseboy: | iamlindoro, nope wouldnt work |
| [23:31:37] | Cackette: | i just changed a couple of lines from 'available = no' and 'writeable = no' to yes |
| [23:31:53] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: I'm aware of that-- you really need to read better: iamlindoro_: Cackette: They're usually at the bottom of the file-- find the one for your video share and make it match the one I pasted (insert your directory, of course)... then you will need to restart samba (sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart) and you should find that the share appears from your windows system and is writable |
| [23:32:04] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: remove the available line altogether |
| [23:32:20] | Cackette: | i didnt have to restart anything, i can see it all now |
| [23:32:25] | Cackette: | i left before i saw that line |
| [23:33:22] | Cackette: | but we're good now, i believe |
| [23:33:29] | Cackette: | just gotta check to make sure the transfers worked |
| [23:34:09] | emacsen: | iamlindoro, is there a way to tell myth to scan the video dir w/o going through Setup? |
| [23:34:22] | iamlindoro_: | emacsen: Not currently |
| [23:34:40] | Cackette: | alright, we're good |
| [23:34:41] | Cackette: | thanks |
| [23:34:43] | emacsen: | iamlindoro, suck |
| [23:34:51] | emacsen: | not even a command line I can send? |
| [23:35:05] | iamlindoro_: | emacsen: I know some people have rigged up a few ways to insert that info into the database, I've just never actually seen it work/done so myself-- so no official way, anyway, and no unofficial way I know anything about |
| [23:36:14] | Anduin: | If you run svn trunk/0.21 release you have find_meta.py, you can also turn on file browsing. |
| [23:37:38] | emacsen: | I'm just using what's in hoary |
| [23:38:15] | hads: | That's got to be old. |
| [23:38:34] | emacsen: | .20–2 |
| [23:38:46] | hads: | That was 04/2005 wasn't it. |
| [23:38:56] | emacsen: | lol is that true? that's funny |
| [23:39:17] | hads: | Hoary I mean, not .20–2 |
| [23:39:41] | emacsen: | oh wait. I'm on crack |
| [23:39:47] | emacsen: | I meant Gutsy |
| [23:40:14] | hads: | Ah :) |
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| [23:40:33] | hads: | Well 0.21 should be in Hardy |
| [23:40:46] | iamlindoro_: | I actually *think* they already have a trunk build in there |
| [23:40:52] | iamlindoro_: | sould be wrong though |
| [23:40:55] | iamlindoro_: | er could |
| [23:41:05] | iamlindoro_: | In Hardy, that is |
| [23:41:10] | emacsen: | what's it called? |
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| [23:42:49] | iamlindoro_: | I think the default Hardy mythtv package is a .21-fixes build |
| [23:42:58] | iamlindoro_: | I think it's simply "mythtv" |
| [23:43:20] | hads: | Looks like it; 0.21.0~fixes16259–0ubuntu1 |
| [23:43:55] | emacsen: | Version: 0.20.2–0ubuntu10 |
| [23:44:00] | emacsen: | why is mine older... |
| [23:44:11] | iamlindoro_: | because you're on gutsy |
| [23:44:16] | emacsen: | oh, right |
| [23:44:24] | emacsen: | it's been a long, long day |
| [23:47:24] | emacsen: | well next month I'll look at upgrading :) |
| [23:48:05] | iamlindoro_: | Have been toying with it a bit at work, it seems fairly nice |
| [23:48:34] | padrino_: | I'm trying to get the 0.20.2 backend package for OSX but the sniderpad.com has been down for quite some time, does anyone know where I might pull the package? |
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| [23:49:38] | iamlindoro_: | You may be outta luck, may need to compile it-- I only ever saw one or two places that distributed Mac OS X Backend compiles |
| [23:49:55] | iamlindoro_: | Actually, that may have been the only place with *backend* packages precompiled for OS X |
| [23:50:23] | iamlindoro_: | Check the OS X build on the wiki's talk page, think there was a guy who may have been hosting some of his own |
| [23:51:16] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, the other guy is frontend only-- probably have to build it yourself |
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