Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, February 27th, 2008, 00:02 UTC

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a1fa_:

hey.. wtf is pix shape on tv?

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Aval0n:

hey guys

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Aval0n:

!seen |torg|

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MythLogBot:

|torg| is here and has been idle for 3 hours 36 minutes 46 seconds

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Aval0n:

ahh

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|Torg|:

im here

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

hey man

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Aval0n:

how have you been

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|Torg|:

I do have a real job you know :)

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Aval0n:

haha

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|Torg|:

busy as hell, you?

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Aval0n:

good

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Aval0n:

just got home from work

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Aval0n:

ofcouse I had a question for you though :)

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Aval0n:

remember when we scanned my multiplexes and got my channels out

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|Torg|:

had to tell a customer that not only would there array not be migrated by April 1st they would be lucky to get it done by end of May

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Aval0n:

for the 3 locals I was missing in HD

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|Torg|:

sure, which ones?

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Aval0n:

ouch

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Aval0n:

I can't remember

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Aval0n:

but anyway

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Aval0n:

my friends was having the same exact problem

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Aval0n:

with his same chans

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Aval0n:

he's the same ISP and 3 miles awayu

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Aval0n:

ISP- I meant tv supplier

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|Torg|:

digital cable?

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Aval0n:

analog

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Aval0n:

well

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Aval0n:

QAM

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Aval0n:

sorry

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Aval0n:

I stuck my database on his machine

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Aval0n:

and none of the channels showed

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Aval0n:

I have a hard time beliving his signal would be that different from mine

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|Torg|:

does he have his card installed at the same number? same multiplex ids? same listing anmes?

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Aval0n:

we're both cox and he's 3 miles away from me

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Aval0n:

that's what I was gonna aska bout

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Aval0n:

he's scanned for channels once

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Aval0n:

i've scanned like 18 times

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Aval0n:

lol

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|Torg|:

same hardware? same cards?

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Aval0n:

he has 2 pvr150s

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Aval0n:

I have 1 pvr500

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mchou:

that makes no sense what so ever

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Frosty:

Anyone from the UK just experience an earthquake?

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purserj:

Frosty: yes by the looks of it

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purserj:

the lugradio guys (who are mostly UK) are talking about it now

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Frosty:

link to stream?

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Frosty:

I got it

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purserj:

ah no, sorry meant the irc channel

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purserj:

#lugradio

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purserj:

googlemaps location of epicentre: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&q=53.35%2 . . . z=5&om=1

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Zombie:

Anyone familiar with the No sound issue on the SAA7134 MSI TV Anywhere?

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jamesd:

my issues with saa7134 was helped by rebooting... i know it sucks as a solution, but it fixed my problems

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directhex:

hm. where do you set the deinterlacer etc these days?

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iamlindoro:

playback settings, page 3, playback profiles, edit, page two once you edit

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iamlindoro:

ie the playback profile edit page has been seperated into two or three of them

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directhex:

aha, edit the playback profile

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iamlindoro:

yup

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directhex:

my word, using gl and greedy for everything makes it looks better

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blackest:

any one in the uk recently felt an earthquake / tremer type thing

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directhex:

blackest, i hear reports from the hull & manc areas

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iamlindoro:

dude, you were in the ROOM when someone last asked about that

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iamlindoro:

all you have to do is read back like 20 lines

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PatrickDK:

dude, you should know people can't read

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blackest:

felt it in lincoln

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levander:

I'm recording something on one tuner, and watching something on my other one. Can I not switch to the other tuner and watch what it's recording?

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iamlindoro:

levander: you can see what it's recording from "WAtch Recordings," but not with "Y"

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blackest:

didnt see that iamlindoro

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levander:

iamlindoro: that worked, thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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levander:

The difference between Y and C is that Y changes between capture cards, while C changes between tuners on the same capture card?

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iamlindoro:

between inputs on the same capture card, but otherwise correct

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stowaway-atwork:

yo yo

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mikeones:

in nuvexport there is an option to underscores=yes, which changes white spaces to underscores in a file name. can it be set to usedot/period?

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sn9:

i'm having a problem under knoppmyth, and nobody else on knoppmyth seems to be having it

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sn9:

mythbackend simply hangs when trying to record anything

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sn9:

livetv just goes to black screen for a minute, then back to the menu

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sn9:

this is testing with a wintv-go before moving it to more reasonable hardware

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sn9:

logs show nothing useful, even in verbose mode

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a1fa_:

anybody know of any sensors like x10 that are wireless and that can detect door openning?

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sn9:

additionally, it seems to forget that mythfilldatabase was ever run

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sn9:

and i do see this in the log:

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sn9:

"Reschedule requested for id -1."

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iamlindoro__:

a1fa_: First off, that's way OT, and second off, why wouldn't you just Google "x10 door sensor" where the *first* hit appears to be exactly what you want?

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a1fa_:

:P

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a1fa_:

i dont want x10

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iamlindoro__:

then go somewhere where they do something remotely related to home automation

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stowaway-atwork:

does mythtv have a x10 plugin?

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a1fa_:

:P

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a1fa_:

geez

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jams:

nope

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a1fa_:

cranky butt plug

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stowaway-atwork:

hm.. i much prefer mythtv. but there still seems to be alot more plugins created on MP

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iamlindoro__:

stowaway-atwork: well, it's windows, it may/probably does have more users than myth (total conjecture of course)

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stowaway-atwork:

yeah i suppose so.. there would be c++ source out for x10 tho wouldnt there?

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, well, with myth for windows...

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iamlindoro__:

sure, pluto is, I beleive all X10

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iamlindoro__:

directhex: true true... but a relatively well kept secret so far... probably for the best for now I would imagine

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, i noticed directx in playback profiles. fear!

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iamlindoro__:

Oy

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stowaway-atwork:

cool. that can be another project when i advacne my knowledge of c++

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directhex:

and d3d9!

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iamlindoro__:

directhex: While I can imagine purevideo stuff on windows will be nice for lots of boxes, I'm thankfully able to play everything I own on my box... don't have any other real reason I'd want to go to WinMyth

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jams:

perhaps streaming netflix support

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iamlindoro__:

ah, yes, that would be nice I guess

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jams:

using that right now =)

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iamlindoro__:

which of course brings to mind the whole "this plugin for windows only" business

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jams:

that would be a not so good thing

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directhex:

mythgame might have some actual games to list!

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stowaway-atwork:

whats netflix?

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jamesd:

stowaway-atwork, www.netflix.com

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stowaway-atwork:

video streaming?

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iamlindoro:

for some movies

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iamlindoro:

windows only

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stowaway-atwork:

ahh okay.

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jams:

also dvd rental via mail.

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stowaway-atwork:

yahoo.com has some music video streaming.. i know MP has a plugin that u type in a song title and it streams it automattically

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stowaway-atwork:

does myth have that?

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iamlindoro:

last.fm support appears to be on its way, also possibly shoutcast streaming support

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sn9:

shoutcast already works in mythstream

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directhex:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Unofficial_Plugins

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stowaway-atwork:

yeah ive seen mythstream. havent had a chance to look at it

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iamlindoro:

sn9: actual offical support

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stowaway-atwork:

preopley yet

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stowaway-atwork:

properly*

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PatrickDK:

mythstream doesn't work very good for me

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sn9:

ah, ok

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directhex:

bedtime

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stowaway-atwork:

all streaming music vids are currently shitty quality anyway.. 5years time when the internet is faster all over the world it'll be better

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sn9:

that's what i said 10yrs ago

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stowaway-atwork:

haha well it has come along way since then

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PatrickDK:

my friend does music videos

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PatrickDK:

they are like 80gigs for 5min, when he gets them

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stowaway-atwork:

I set up a list of streaming vids when i had people over. thinking it woudl be cool to ahve the music video on the plasma while we have drinks and shit.. and so people could choose their own songs.. but the music quality was just too shit

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stowaway-atwork:

well maybe in 10 years we can download 80 gigs in 3 mins

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stowaway-atwork:

hmm. maybe 20years

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PatrickDK:

well, they have really good compressors

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PatrickDK:

and are sampling them down

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PatrickDK:

but it needs special hardware to decode them

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sn9:

h.264

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PatrickDK:

I believe

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PatrickDK:

but not normal, it's been tweaked

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stowaway-atwork:

how would they store 80gig worth while recording it?

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sn9:

anyone know anything about the eyetv turbo264 from elgato systems?

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PatrickDK:

on their 58terrabyte 3 rack netapp

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iamlindoro:

sn9: I know as of when I last read about it that it was Mac-only, and only with the quicktime compressor (ie no accel of ffmpeg, handbrake, etc)

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sn9:

i thought it didn't use the quicktime compressor

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iamlindoro:

sn9: it's a quicktime component

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iamlindoro:

"The product works by installing a new component into your /Library/QuickTime folder (Elgato Turbo.component). If you're using a QuickTime-compatible program, you can export video using the T.264 processor instead of your main CPU."

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sn9:

that means it replaces any existing compressor

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iamlindoro:

only for *quicktime-compatible* programs, ie NOT ffmpeg, handbrake, etc.

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sn9:

the component must just be a driver

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sn9:

seems like a simple device; i doubt it would be too complicated to come up with a libusb-based driver

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javatexan:

hey guys

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javatexan:

I am fed up with this junk, I think I am going to try to write my own mythtv plugin...........

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sn9:

javatexan: junque?

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javatexan:

o I am using some other open source to massage some information out of my tivo, I think I am just going to write a mythtv plugin to do it instead....too many errors happening with too many points of failure

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javatexan:

it keeps losing what shows it remembers as seen on the tivo.......junk junque junk

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sn9:

i gave up on massaging the tivo

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javatexan:

LOL....thanks for the humor

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J-e-f-f-A:

javatexan: Just replace it with a Myth box...

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javatexan:

I cant.....

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mchou:

why not?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, why not?

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javatexan:

my cable co....has me by the baseballs.....o

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mchou:

what??

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J-e-f-f-A:

javatexan: Are you running HD?

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mchou:

your cableco forces you to use tivo?

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mchou:

my co worker said he saw a tivo for sale at Goodwill

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javatexan:

their boxes don't work with firewire...they don't really work with anything....so I went tivo because they have to work with them....tivo has mean lawyers...it was beautiful

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javatexan:

LOL

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mchou:

I'm seriously considering picking it up

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J-e-f-f-A:

javatexan: So are you doing HD?

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javatexan:

how do you make a workarea for mythtv....do I have to make a virtual machine?

[03:29:39]

javatexan:

yes

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javatexan:

i have to now keep my tivo fo 4 years...my wife is making me.... :(

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J-e-f-f-A:

javatexan: Ok, so it's harder to do HD with myth when you've got an 'unfriendly' cableco...

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mchou:

javatexan: who is your cableco?

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javatexan:

but it sure was fun watchin the cable co sweat.....time warner

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mchou:

I dont think time warner sweated one bit

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javatexan:

they wont even let me watch Boomerang on the cable cards

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J-e-f-f-A:

javatexan: I myself have 3 Dish SD receivers feeding my myth box, and 2 HD receivers for OTA HD — 22 channels from Boston (including the sub-channels) — about 8 or 10 are interesting...

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javatexan:

LOL

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mchou:

especially if they STILL dont provide STBs with firewire active

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J-e-f-f-A:

javatexan: So are you coming out of your cable box firewire to the tivo?

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: nope

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javatexan:

i tried that

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javatexan:

nothin

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: prbably using cablecard

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mchou:

probably*

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J-e-f-f-A:

javatexan: Oh, it's one of those cablecard tivos... ^^^ yeah mchou...

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javatexan:

I am now using tivo to get the shows...it works great ... but the stupid program to get the shows off tivo keeps hanging itself

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mchou:

haha!!

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javatexan:

J-e-f-fA yep

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J-e-f-f-A:

javatexan: Well, if you get a working 'extraction' program for your box, you'll likely have alot of new friends, and perhaps some enemies too...

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javatexan:

LOL

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mchou:

javatexan: is it a windoze proggie?

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javatexan:

no....its a java app...I have it running on the mythbox

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

java. that's even worse

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javatexan:

and it uses derby

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javatexan:

as the db

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mchou:

wtf is up with programmers these days?

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javatexan:

lol

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mchou:

you got to be REAL clueless to use java

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javatexan:

hey I dont mind java, its okay, but this thing crashes out the db almost on a weekly basis

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: look at his nick... (oops!)

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javatexan:

but I am going to do it in c++

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javatexan:

java for coffee not the language

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J-e-f-f-A:

javatexan: haha! ;-)

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javatexan:

coffeetexan.....i didn't like it

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: I dont care what his nick is

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mchou:

clueless is as clueless does

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mchou:

as forrest gump's momma used to say :)

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javatexan:

i was on sourceforge today and man its got java everywhere

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javatexan:

mchou do you do myth dev?

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mchou:

mostly patches

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mchou:

not much more than that

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javatexan:

I hate to screw up my myth box

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javatexan:

its working pretty good

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mchou:

do it on a vm or separate box

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javatexan:

okay....

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mchou:

dont mess with success

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javatexan:

amen...thats what I was thinkin

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mchou:

javatexan: but there is no reason to use myth as an extractor

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Zombie:

Anyone familiar with the No sound issue on the SAA7134 MSI TV Anywhere?

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mchou:

I mean your testbed might as well not have myth

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mchou:

adding myth to the myth only adds needless complexity

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javatexan:

true....tivo uses simple http to do all of its transferring of files

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javatexan:

shhhhhh....dont tell anyone though

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javatexan:

I was going to make something that would query the tivo...allow user to pick things to downld.... and then keep track of things already downloaded for duplicates in MYSQL instead of derby(POS!!!)

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javatexan:

I could also make it to where it added the tivo file to the regular mythtv recordings....but that is just a wish list.

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mchou:

javatexan: if all fails use wget :)

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javatexan:

wget wont work, there is something odd about how tivo does it so wget specifically wont work..... :(

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javatexan:

not sure why

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mchou:

javatexan: chunk encoding

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javatexan:

tried it though

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javatexan:

prolly

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javatexan:

they also do something weird in the encoding of the files.....ffmpeg doesnt like their form of MPEG-PES

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mchou:

latest version of wget support chunk encoding, I think

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mchou:

otherwise just use curl :)

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sn9:

javatexan: mplayer should be ok with it

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javatexan:

cool....may have to check that out too

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javatexan:

not sure why it doesnt' like the MPEG-PES...it will play, but not commercial or anything else

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javatexan:

tcextract is fine with the video, but it cant read the resulting AC3 file even though it says it is one....just weird all the way around.

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javatexan:

ive learned way too much messing around with this. Couldnt imagine doing this as a non developer type :)

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mchou:

bah...

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javatexan:

okay...which is better...mythbuntu or gentoo-myth

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mchou:

how do you think non devs become devs? :)

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mchou:

oh lord

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javatexan:

lol...true

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javatexan:

its funny what ppl will do to save a buck, eh?

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sn9:

there's a specific gentoo-myth now?

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javatexan:

not sure....i just know you can run myth on it

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javatexan:

sorry for the confusion

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mchou:

saving bucks is cool

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sn9:

yes — just regular gentoo

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javatexan:

:)

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mchou:

like me hacking my linksys wrtp54g

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sn9:

i'm sticking with knoppmyth for the time being

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sn9:

mchou: vonage or earthlink?

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mchou:

vonage

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mchou:

best $20 I've spent :)

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javatexan:

me too....wow...we are cheap

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sn9:

mchou: any news on a linux driver for the legerity chip yet?

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mchou:

sn9: havent been following that, unfortunately

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sn9:

so, you're running a stock firmware on it?

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mchou:

sn9: yeah, for now

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mchou:

but ggsip gotta go! :)

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mchou:

it's too bad the HW doesnt have much RAM

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sn9:

vonage service is way overpriced — at least put the retail linksys firmware on so you can use some other provider

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mchou:

sn9: that's what I did

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mchou:

not running vonage :)

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sn9:

3.1.24?

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mchou:

yup

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sn9:

ok...

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mchou:

would love to have openwrt ported

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J-e-f-f-A:

sn9 – you think so? (vonage?) I'm only paying $14.95/month... that's a hell of alot less than anything else offered...

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mchou:

run openwrt, asterisk, and sip on same device

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: lol

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sn9:

mchou: openwrt supposedly works on it already, minus the legerity voip chip

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sn9:

J-e-f-f-A: http://www.rapidvox.com

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mchou:

jeffc91: 14.95 for how many "lines?"

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J-e-f-f-A:

Comcast & Verizon want $33/month for the first year for their bundled phone/internet/tv ... Then it goes up...

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Just one... but much less than a landline from Verizon, or digital from Comcast or Verizon...

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mchou:

sn9: how much for DID @ rapidvox?

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: dude, I pay $3/mo + 1.7c/min anywhere in USA

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sn9:

mchou: they don't offer it — but you can mix&match that from somebody else, like ipkall

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: yeah, but they don't offer incoming service, so it's no good for a 'home' phone atm...

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mchou:

sn9: yeah, using ipkacll and GC now :)

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: huh???

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sn9:

GC?

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mchou:

Grandcentral

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sn9:

oh

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Their web site says they do not offer incoming service...

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mchou:

map the seattle number to my house :)

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sn9:

but with grandcentral, you don't need another DID

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: which web site you referring to?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: the one sn9 pasted... rapidvox...

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mchou:

sn9: might have to pay GC if the go out of beta :)

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: dont use them then :)

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sn9:

J-e-f-f-A: http://www.ipkall.com/

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: diamondcard.us. same ppl that wrote ekiga (gnomemeeting)

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mchou:

http://www.diamondcard.us

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A:or even http://www.onesuite.com

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: @@ wow ^^^ lots of good stuff there... @@

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sn9:

does diamondcard have termination, or only DID?

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mchou:

yeah, VoIP web sites look like they are written by kindergarten but service is legit and good

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mchou:

sn9: both

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** J-e-f-f-A takes notes!!!! **

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sn9:

i don't see termination on the website

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mchou:

sn9: rates :)

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mchou:

trust me, they do termination

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mchou:

otherwise I wouldnt use them

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sn9:

i still don't see termination rates

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mchou:

sigh....

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mchou:

http://www.diamondcard.us/exec/voip-rep-acc-t . . . rate&lc=

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mchou:

Low call rates

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mchou:

trust me, no voip provider is going to be in business if they dont provide call termination

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hads:

What has this got to do with mythtv?

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mchou:

cause of mythphone

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sn9:

i still don't see termination rates

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mchou:

dude, you must be blind

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sn9:

only rates from an access number from pstn

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javatexan:

sweet

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mchou:

sn9: read the INSTRUCTIONS on the link I provided

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mchou:

wtf is wrong with people these days?

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sn9:

ok, yeah, then i am blind — whoops

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sn9:

one could still save more by just getting DID there and termination from rapidvox

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mchou:

maybe

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mchou:

but how's rapidvox voice quality?

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mchou:

anyway, 1.7c is good enought for me

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mchou:

don't really use the phone taht much :)

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mchou:

that*

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sn9:

G711u

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mchou:

umm, a codec is not indicative of voice quality

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Hoxzer:

I suppose mythstream doesn't work with 0.21-fixes ? and nor does the internet radio patch for mythmusic ?

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sn9:

it is in cases where only inferior codecs are used

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mchou:

sn9: stop joking around. virtually all voip<->PSTN use g.711

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sn9:

i've seen a couple that are G.729-only

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mchou:

you'd be hard pressed to find any that don't use g.711 (e.g. using iLBC)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Looks like I'll be looking into setting up a asterisk on an old laptop sometime soon... ;-) I have an old Linksys router with 'Dialpad' on it.. wonder if I can find a flash for it to work with asterisk?

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: what's the model of this linksys router?

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: if you can use openwrt you can run asterisk on the router :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Umm.... (it's around here somewhere... let me see if I can find it...>

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sn9:

also, talking to any gizmophone user on a wrtp54g is an exercise in frustration because they won't easily handshake on the codecs

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: no need to use a spare lappy :)

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mchou:

sn9: screw gizmophone

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sn9:

the software, not the service

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mchou:

sn9: I dont know wtf is up with gizmo phone dudes

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: oh, it's not "Dialpad", it's the one with "Net2Phone" built-in... (googling)

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sn9:

net2phone? wow, that brings back memories... of failure

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mchou:

sn9: even teir softphone only works for 30 secs

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: BEFN2PS4

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: I think you may be out of luck with that router

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: runs proprietary OS, not linux

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mchou:

I gotta say the linksys WRT54G was one of my best HW buys

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mchou:

never ever crashed on me

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mchou:

even though others have had different experiences

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mchou:

WRT54G v.3 super stable

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mchou:

dont know about other vesions

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: ugh... Oh well, just figured it was worth a thought, as it has the phone interface built-in to use with analog phones...

[04:26:18]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, that's really a shame

[04:26:31]

mchou:

hate for HW going to landfill :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: tell me about it... I've got way too much old hardware in my basement... I don't even think i could sell 1/2 of it...

[04:27:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: ... or even give away 1/2 of it!!!!

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: dude, you probably couldnt even give it away if yoou tried.

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** J-e-f-f-A needs to learn how to throw things away... **

[04:27:43]

mchou:

nono. recycle man

[04:28:05]

mchou:

take it to a local surplus. they will recycle for free

[04:28:34]

mchou:

better than taking it to the dump and paying to dispose of it

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah... there's a place a friend told me about last month that takes old computers, tvs, just about anything, for next to nothing... 18 cents per pound...

[04:29:06]

mchou:

yeah. take it over there.

[04:29:06]

sn9:

wrt54gp2

[04:29:15]

sn9:

if you can find one

[04:29:24]

mchou:

sn9: no experience with that one

[04:29:32]

mchou:

sn9: is it any good?

[04:29:51]

sn9:

predecessor to the wrtp54g

[04:30:01]

sn9:

had more ram

[04:30:20]

mchou:

can both channels do g729 simultaneously?

[04:30:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: That reminds me... I owe him $20 for taking an old 27" TV with RGB inputs there... I got it 10 yrs ago with intentions to fix it, but didn't get the time and schematics to do so... And it's long obsolete now... ;-)

[04:30:37]

mchou:

sn9: or only one?

[04:30:50]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: lol

[04:31:10]

sn9:

it's basically the wrtp54g with only 3 eth lan, and adsl instead of the eth wan, but 32 ram

[04:31:11]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: guess you are PNG'd

[04:31:37]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: that's one expensive TV :)

[04:32:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Besides, I've got a 37" CRT monitor in my living room now... Runs at 1024x768 with a Viewsonic N4 video processor – looks pretty incredible. (They were throwing out 3 of them at work, after upgrading to 40" lcds)

[04:32:20]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: sweet!!

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sn9:

37" crt? how many oxen does it take to lift that?

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: 37" CRT? That's one nasty mofo :)

[04:33:06]

mchou:

sn9: 2 ppl would do

[04:33:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

It's 208lbs... so it takes at least two people, for very short times!

[04:34:00]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: what's te make of the monitor?

[04:34:09]

mchou:

the*

[04:34:10]

sn9:

viewsonic he said

[04:34:26]

mchou:

no, Viewsonic N4 processor :)

[04:34:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Mitsubishi Megaview 37

[04:34:48]

mchou:

nice

[04:35:20]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: that's a nice score

[04:35:43]

mchou:

not a bad trade for $20 :)

[04:36:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Actually, I've got 2 of the 3. ;-) One has some bad caps in the red video path though, cuts in & out at times... I need to go through it. (I have the schematics... ebay is great, eh?)

[04:36:25]

mchou:

you got the TV thru ebay???

[04:36:40]

mchou:

or you mean the schematics?

[04:36:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: No, i got the schematics from ebay. I got the TV/Monitors from work. (for free!)

[04:37:00]

mchou:

ok. that makes more sense

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: even though messing with TV internals gives me the willies

[04:37:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: One was clear, but the color balance was off. But there's adjustments in the menu for the bias, that work didn't know about, and I didn't tell them...

[04:37:33]

mchou:

zap!

[04:37:50]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: haha!!

[04:38:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: And the other one was slightly off color to, but out of focus. I just opened the case and adjusted the focus, and, blammo... like new...

[04:38:17]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: who are these fools that you work for? Where do I sign up? :)

[04:38:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, you just need to steer clear of the HV stuff... ;-) As long as you do that, you're safe...

[04:39:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: hehe... I left there in Sepember... beleive me, you don't want to work there... high stress... That was one of the perks that kept me there for 16 years...

[04:39:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

(believe even...)

[04:39:19]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: maybe you ought to start "breaking" their new flatscrrens :)

[04:39:37]

mchou:

screens*

[04:40:27]

mchou:

like maybe the backlight :)

[04:40:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Funny you should say that... they had an el-cheapo Plasma tv they bought (like $1000) that was only like 8??x480, and it died after 13 months of 24x7 use. They were almost ready to give it to me, when I gave my resignation. It needed a $140 power supply board... I would have taken it for that... ;-)

[04:41:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: (even though I don't like Plasma, and the resolution was pretty low...)

[04:42:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: The LCDs they bought were Commercial NEC 40" displays — designed for 24x7 usage...

[04:42:45]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: I tould ya you should break them :)

[04:42:56]

mchou:

after the warrant expires :)

[04:43:03]

mchou:

warranty*

[04:43:41]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: seriously, who are these ppl?

[04:44:09]

mchou:

sounds like they are shitting $$ :)

[04:44:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I got one fixed/replaced out of warranty... The backlight started to fade from the bottom-left, about 20% to the right, and about 80% up... It was 14 months old, and only had a 12 month warranty. It told them, "Look, we have 4 of these, at a cost of $4000 each – 2 of which are the newer model that has a 3-year warranty – what are you going to do for us?"

[04:45:08]

mchou:

nice!

[04:45:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: They go through highs & lows — those were bought on one of those 'high' times... they're cheapskates the last 2 or 3 years (hence the el-cheapo $1000 plasma trial that failed miserably like I told them it would...)

[04:45:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: You can't run a 'static' computer monitoring screen on a plasma and expect it to not burn in... It had burn-in in less than a week...

[04:46:05]

mchou:

haha!!

[04:46:07]

mchou:

lol

[04:46:19]

mchou:

on plasma, I wouldnt expect any less :)

[04:46:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: There were no problems with the LCDs, other than that backlight issue with one of the NECs, which I got replaced for free... ;-)

[04:47:01]

mchou:

why did they need 24x7?

[04:47:19]

mchou:

are they in "advertising?"

[04:47:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Production computer room mointoring... Stock trading application... 24x7 operation...

[04:47:47]

mchou:

ok

[04:47:56]

mchou:

they were shitting $$ :)

[04:47:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

er "monitoring" even... ;-)

[04:48:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Trouble is that they weren't passing that down to the employees, and were instead shitting on the employees... ;-)

[04:48:28]

mchou:

lol

[04:48:40]

mchou:

that stuff always runs downhill

[04:48:58]

mchou:

never a sewage back up like in real life

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: They almost $hit themselves when I gave my notice... Like I said, I was there 16 years — I'm highly technical, and am responsible for about 80% of the tools/utilities that the operations department used to run the system...

[04:49:44]

mchou:

haha!!

[04:49:48]

mchou:

I bet

[04:50:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: They tried to counter with a 12% increase and about a 50% decrease in work... But I didn't believe them that it was going to 'stick'...

[04:50:12]

mchou:

hahah

[04:50:20]

mchou:

50% decrease in work?

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mchou:

stop joking around!

[04:50:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: yeah... We were WAY overworked over there.

[04:50:54]

mchou:

I would have responded "you and which army?"

[04:50:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: The thing is, that it SOUNDED really good, but I did not trust them to keep their word...

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: of course

[04:52:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Example: Old environment — 14 Tandem systems (basically Mainframes) – 12 are Production – ~ 70 production clients. 24x7 oncall – called all the time... Too much work to get done, always behind, very high stress.

[04:52:33]

mchou:

yeah, scre that

[04:52:38]

mchou:

screw*

[04:53:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: New job: 2 Tandem systems – Both DEVELOPMENT — ~30 production clients, I have little OR NO dealing with them. 24x7 oncall – called 1x in the 4 months I've been there...

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mchou:

not worth the stress

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mchou:

hah. now that sounds like a 50% reduction in work load :)

[04:54:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Try about 80% compared to what I was doing at the old job... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Anyways, it was nice chatting with you, and thanks for the info about the 'other' VoIP providers out there... I've saved a log and will put this in my 'queue' of things to play with in the near future... ;-)

[04:55:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I've gotta crash for tonight... ttyl... ;-)

[04:55:55]

mchou:

later

[04:56:12]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: ive got 2 crt displays on the way out here

[04:56:24]

clever:

one is vga and the brightness keeps droping to near nothing randomly

[04:56:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Are they 37" ??? ;-)

[04:56:33]

clever:

nope normal sized:P

[04:56:34]

mchou:

haha!!

[04:56:47]

mchou:

clever: then you's outta luck :)

[04:56:48]

clever:

the other is extra small and is a b&w tv

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Buy yourself a nice 22" — they're down to like $240 or so if you shop around a little... ;-)

[04:57:12]

clever:

it hit the floor once and now the v sweep drops to nothing once it warms up

[04:57:15]

clever:

leaving me with just a H line

[04:57:54]

clever:

a 22" wont be usable in a tent off 12v:P

[04:58:09]

mchou:

clever: sigh. stop abusing your equipment like that

[04:58:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: hehe... Recycle my friend... (I need that message too! [see thread above^^^]) Anyways, off to bed... ttyl guys... ;-)

[04:58:31]

clever:

i triped on the power cord and knocked the 6" tv off the stool

[04:58:41]

mchou:

lol

[04:58:54]

mchou:

clever: why are you in a tent?

[04:59:07]

clever:

im not in one now but thats what the tiny thing is made for:P

[04:59:16]

mchou:

lol

[04:59:26]

clever:

its labled 'durabrand' but it stoped working with 1 fall:P

[04:59:33]

mchou:

why _were_ you in a tent

[04:59:55]

clever:

ive never actualy used that tv in a tent

[05:00:07]

mchou:

so why was it on a stool?

[05:00:23]

clever:

because i didnt have a table nearby my bed at the time

[05:00:28]

mchou:

haha!!

[05:00:30]

mchou:

lol

[05:00:59]

clever:

i was using the tv on my bed

[05:00:59]

clever:

its small enough that it doesnt dent the matress like a pc crt

[05:01:23]

mchou:

clever: it would help if you stopped living in a trailer :)

[05:01:31]

clever:

its winter

[05:01:37]

mchou:

huh??

[05:01:40]

clever:

the trailer isnt useable in the winter:P

[05:01:44]

clever:

im in the house

[05:01:46]

mchou:

TV keeps you warm?

[05:02:38]

mchou:

put the TV on a nightstand or something like "normal" people

[05:02:53]

clever:

the radio os on the nightstand

[05:03:00]

clever:

and i didnt have one back when that tv worked

[05:03:15]

mchou:

the radio or the nightstand?

[05:03:18]

clever:

and i now have 2 laptops on my bed with mythtv on both so i dont need a tv anymore

[05:03:31]

clever:

didnt have the nightstand back when that small tv was working

[05:03:32]

mchou:

and why does the radio need to be on a nightstand? :)

[05:04:02]

clever:

what else is it going on:P

[05:04:02]

clever:

its also the clock&alarm

[05:04:02]

clever:

yet im using the cordless phone as the alarm clock

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mchou:

stick the radio underneath the bed

[05:04:55]

clever:

the peices of the sun keyboard and toshiba laptops are under the bed

[05:04:58]

mchou:

that way you'd be forced to get up to tun it off

[05:05:03]

clever:

along with 50 lbs of dust balls

[05:05:04]

mchou:

turn*

[05:05:15]

clever:

and i dont actualy use the alarm on the alarm clock:P

[05:05:21]

clever:

i set the alarm in the cordless phone

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mchou:

lol

[05:06:38]

clever:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durabrand

[05:06:42]

clever:

Brand identification

[05:06:42]

clever:

This Product breaks a lot.

[05:06:43]

clever:

lol

[05:06:57]

clever:

yeah the 'durabrand' tv did break:P

[05:07:11]

mchou:

dude. I dunno what you were expecting. No TV survives falling very well

[05:07:24]

clever:

yeah

[05:07:32]

clever:

90% of the thing still functions properly

[05:07:39]

clever:

its just the verticle sweep is damaged

[05:07:55]

clever:

causing it to just make a single line on screen

[05:08:07]

mchou:

bah. it's a disposable from Wally world

[05:08:14]

clever:

yeah

[05:08:19]

clever:

not even using it anymore

[05:08:22]

mchou:

get rid of it

[05:08:35]

mchou:

send it back to china where it came from

[05:08:35]

clever:

the radio half still works!

[05:08:36]

clever:

:P

[05:08:56]

clever:

and the warrenty is probly long expired

[05:09:03]

mchou:

lol

[05:09:23]

mchou:

warrant was probaly good for 90 days from wally world

[05:09:56]

clever:

and its been atleast a year

[05:10:01]

mchou:

you pays for it, you owns it. that's Wallyworld for ya

[05:10:43]

clever:

i didnt actualy pay for it

[05:10:46]

clever:

dad did:P

[05:11:05]

mchou:

your days owns it now then :)

[05:11:21]

mchou:

dad*

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clever:

but you gave me an idea

[05:12:56]

clever:

install a self contained mythtv network in the trailer!

[05:13:18]

mchou:

mythtv for rednecks :)

[05:13:31]

clever:

posibly a ups and auto start/shutdown for the master so it comes on with the power and off when the ups is low

[05:13:40]

clever:

similar to a carpc

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clever:

run the thing off 12v too since the trailer allready has it

[05:14:32]

clever:

i mean a travel trailer

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clever:

not one thats got the wheels taken off and left in a park for several years to be lived in year round

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mchou:

mythtv in a can

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clever:

yep:P

[05:16:17]

clever:

on wheels!

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clever:

which brings up a problem

[05:16:31]

clever:

cable wont work because its moving alot

[05:16:50]

clever:

broadcast would bring lineup problems as you have to reconfig it every week as you move:P

[05:16:53]

mchou:

wtf needs cable

[05:16:58]

clever:

sat would need automatic aiming

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mchou:

Satellite baby!

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clever:

or fus with manual aiming

[05:17:33]

clever:

and what adr does the sat bill go to?:P

[05:17:41]

mchou:

P.O. Box

[05:17:57]

clever:

and which town will that lead to this week?

[05:18:21]

mchou:

pay bills on-line

[05:18:27]

mchou:

screw the mail

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clever:

lol

[05:18:39]

clever:

or just use freesat!

[05:18:46]

clever:

screw the bills!

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a1fa:

:P

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Zappacky:

anybody have any ideas where I can come by information for getting a USB TV tuner working in mythtv?

[12:38:50]

Zappacky:

it's an ATI TV Wonder USB

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directhex|work:

ick, ati

[12:39:01]

directhex|work:

did you look at the linuxtv wiki yet?

[12:39:09]

Zappacky:

i didn't see anything about this tuner =/

[12:39:27]

directhex|work:

digital or analog?

[12:39:40]

Zappacky:

i think it can do both

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directhex|work:

yankland or real world?

[12:40:05]

Zappacky:

It has support for DVB, but it works with my standard analog cable. what do you mean yankland?

[12:40:22]

directhex|work:

yankland. big company. supports terrorism

[12:40:25]

directhex|work:

country, even

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directhex|work:

well, that's up for debate

[12:40:44]

Zappacky:

lol

[12:41:01]

Zappacky:

i'm in the USA, so I'm going to guess "yankland"

[12:41:08]

directhex|work:

right. so atsc

[12:41:13]

Zappacky:

yes

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directhex|work:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_USB_Devices ?

[12:42:00]

Zappacky:

ATI/AMD TV Wonder 600 USB

[12:42:02]

Zappacky:

that's the one =/

[12:42:18]

Zappacky:

i guess I'll follow the advice and give the mailing list a call

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directhex|work:

they'll probably tell you "ati won't release specs, and it's their own custom chip, so it needs reverse engineering, which ain't happening"

[12:43:11]

directhex|work:

or, [12:39] <directhex|work> ick, ati

[12:44:44]

Zappacky:

good point

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Zappacky:

I sort of wish I had known at the time I bought it that it wouldn't be even a little linux compatible lol

[12:45:18]

Zappacky:

KVM isn't quite fast enough to watch TV atm

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directhex|work:

if it's got "ati" on the box, it's a reasonable bet that it'll suck for linux

[12:48:31]

nagnag:

got my CI and CAM for hauppauge hvr4000 today. anyone here who has that card ?

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|Torg|:

I know this is offtopic, but can someone help me with procmail+sendmail to forward some subset of the users to another mail server, rather then a whole domain?

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directhex|work:

nope! i deal in exims!

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|Torg|:

I tired tell ting them I deal in storage and high performance computing, and it was son sequtor logic to think I could fix their mail server

[13:18:54]

|Torg|:

whats killing me is thi isnt unique, there are many shops who do it for things like SOX compliance

[13:19:01]

|Torg|:

it should be simple

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directhex|work:

tell them you need an altix to do it

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directhex|work:

everyone needs an altix

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|Torg|:

as in SGI?

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directhex|work:

yeah

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|Torg|:

wouldnt that be a bit overkill for an email server?

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|Torg|:

just slightly

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directhex|work:

you don't like shiny toys?

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|Torg|:

I *LOVE* shiny new toyes, esp ones with NUMA :P

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|Torg|:

do you have a port for mythtv that will run on NUMA, maybe I can finnly have my realtime trascoding now :)

[13:32:08]

directhex|work:

actually, you'd be surprised

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|Torg|:

of course id have to get three phae power, reinforce the slab and put in its own AC, but hey it would be cool :)

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directhex|work:

h264 encoding performance on itanium is terrible

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directhex|work:

don't need 3 phase power for an altix. we run one off a few 32A commando sockets

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justinh:

anybody feel the earth move last night then?

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|Torg|:

earth moves all the time, not jut at night

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justinh:

we had a quake in UK land apparently

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Dagmar:

They happen

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justinh:

and I had a burglary at 5am today. fuckers took my car :-\

[13:45:25]

justinh:

bloody karma

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Dagmar:

When I was in SF I thought they were kind of fun.

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directhex|work:

O_o

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|Torg|:

I can tell you from the ones I have been in most of the time you cant even feel them unless you are right on top of the fault

[13:45:38]

|Torg|:

they are common in california

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justinh:

when rumbles in the uK can be felt even slightly it's huge news though ;)

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Dagmar:

If you grow up in a place where they're common you don't notice them

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Dagmar:

I didn't, so believe me, I noticed them

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|Torg|:

most of the ones I fealt are along the lines of someone shoving you, they ground dosnt actually shake like you see in the movies

[13:46:54]

Dagmar:

They had to be below a 2 for me and mine not to notice

[13:47:23]

Dagmar:

Torg: There's different ways things can move, man

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Dagmar:

Sounds like you just felt the ones where there's shear only

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|Torg|:

yes I know, its just the most common ones I fealt

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justinh:

up/down/left/right...

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Dagmar:

I sat through several where the ground just plain shook like the biggest truck ever was passing by

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|Torg|:

I can read the reports but the area has little or nor meaning to me, wherer is 8km east of Market Ransend, Lincolshire, 22km S of Grimsby?

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directhex|work:

last night was a 5.2

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justinh:

anyway total pisser losing my car though. can't work til I get transport again. at least the dog came back after they let him out. got excellent pics of them on my cctv so maybe the bastards will be caught to be let off lightly by the criminal justice system

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Dagmar:

Oooh that's a good one

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Dagmar:

Just barely enough to knock things off the shelf and maybe crack weakened foundations

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directhex|work:

justinh, cctv? been taking your work home?

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Dagmar:

i.e., big enough to get people excited, but not big enough to really hurt anyone

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|Torg|:

they stole your dog?

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justinh:

put cctv cameras up after the spate of car vandalism a while back

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justinh:

nah he got out when they legged it out the back door

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Dagmar:

You need to get that door reinforced, mna

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justinh:

or stop leaving the keys in it

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directhex|work:

justinh, what's the car cost compared to impact on insurance?

[13:50:26]

Dagmar:

lol

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justinh:

yeah, easy to say now

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justinh:

directhex|work: worth my while claiming, put it that way

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directhex|work:

justinh, fair enough

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justinh:

40% no claims gone, just filled it up last night, 12 months road tax too

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Dagmar:

Oh man it had a whole tank of gas in it?

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justinh:

£150 excess, premium will prolly jump back up to standard Mancunian rate

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|Torg|:

justinh, you rive an SUV in London?

[13:51:58]

justinh:

Dagmar: the way fuel prices get hiked up in the UK it pays to fill up

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, where did he say london or suv?

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justinh:

plus getting 400 miles out of a 50L tank, driving 60 miles a day...

[13:52:38]

Dagmar:

Well, even in the US with my little BMW that's $35 worth of gas we're talking about

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|Torg|:

I dont know what 12 montsh road tax is, I thought it was like the charge in London

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justinh:

Dagmar it's about £1.02 a litre

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directhex|work:

justinh, cheap oop norf! :o

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|Torg|:

keep in mind I am a Yank, all I know of the UK sits betwen the tower of london and parliment

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justinh:

12 month road tax for a 1600cc car.. 240 of our British Earth pounds

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directhex|work:

(UK£ 1.04900) per litre = 7.80718055 US$ per US gallon

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|Torg|:

the gas, I get the road tax I didnt know

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|Torg|:

we get ors folded into our license fee, most american pay road tax they jsut dont single it out

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|Torg|:

its also added to our gas prices

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justinh:

took my mobile phone & my wife's handbag too. tempted to put their pictures up all over but I'd prolly get sued for violating their right to privacy or summat

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directhex|work:

so a 50l tank of petrol costs about $100

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|Torg|:

if I had to pay what yo pay for diesel id go plant soy beans

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, diesel is an extra 5p per litre or so

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Dagmar:

No.

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directhex|work:

(UK£ 1.10900) per litre = 8.25373044 US$ per US gallon

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Dagmar:

In most states you're paying a "wheel tax" when you register the vehicle.

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|Torg|:

1UK£ ~= $2

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|Torg|:

I pay $70 a year for my license plates, its based on weight of my truck

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|Torg|:

I pay $3/gal for diesel, about 1/3 of that is road tax

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Dagmar:

Directhex: Try 7.59/gal

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|Torg|:

like I said, we all pay it. I just dont single it out

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, i'd like too. cheaper than what i pay

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|Torg|:

althought I did note it was cheaper to drink Ale then milk :P

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justinh:

narrowly missed the bastards by 30 seconds going by the cctv. I got up at 5am to go for a piss – went straight back to bed, lay down & heard the alarm go off. kitchen PIR is disabled cos of the doggy, so must've been the livingroom meaning the fackers were in the house while I was in the bathroom. not telling my wife how close a call it was. dunno wtf I'd have done – nor they – when confronted

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Dagmar:

directhex: No that's what 1.09gbp/litre translates to in USD/gal

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justinh:

and only took the police 2 hours to get here. yeah as little as that

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Dagmar:

directhex: I was sitting here punching the numbers into Google.

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, who said 1.09?

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|Torg|:

justnh, not withstanding my soltution, why dont you just move?

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justinh:

moving is no solution

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justinh:

you can't move house to escape crime

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|Torg|:

no a 12 guage shotgun is a soltion, its legal where i live, unfortunatly your goverment would frown upon it

[13:59:13]

|Torg|:

heads on pikes comes to mind too, but I think those are even illegal here

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, and has done, in prior legal rulings r.e. "defending property"

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Dagmar:

directhex: Not sure, I think I typoed, but either way somethign went wrong because your USD number came out way too high

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justinh:

|Torg|: not only that but the perp is able to sue for 'lost earning' is you only disable em a bit

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, you're factoring in US gallongs being bigger than imperial gallons, right?

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Dagmar:

justinh: This is why it's good that the dead typically don't seek legal representation very aggressively

[14:00:05]

justinh:

guy who shot 2 burglars – killed one but gave the other a bit of a limp – he got 2 years for that IIRC. The remaining guy sucessfully sued

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|Torg|:

1 US Gal = 3.7 L or there abouts

[14:00:33]

directhex|work:

3.8

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Dagmar:

1.09 liters = 0.287947536 US gallons

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directhex|work:

hang on, imperial gallons are bigger. i'm going mad

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Dagmar:

Google FTW

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, petrol around here is 104.9p per litre.

[14:01:35]

Dagmar:

Hmm... caffiene time

[14:01:35]

Dagmar:

1 liters = 0.264172051 US gallons

[14:01:44]

justinh:

you're going mad? heheh shit I've got this room in bits having been searching for all the insurance docs. resorted to using my bank statements to work out who we're insured with. messy

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, (UK£ 1.04900) per litre = 7.80718055 US$ per US gallon

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|Torg|:

1 US gallon = 1.2 imp gallons

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|Torg|:

or so sayd wikipedia

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directhex|work:

gallons are a stupid measurement

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Dagmar:

YOUR kings were the ones who came up with it

[14:02:47]

|Torg|:

no measurement is enrahnalty good or evil, they are all man made limts

[14:02:48]

directhex|work:

Imperial (UK) gallon is legally defined as 4.54609 litres (~277.42 cu in), which is about 1.2 U.S. liquid gallons. This definition is used in the United Kingdom, and is based on the volume of 10 pounds of water at 62 °F.

[14:03:08]

|Torg|:

sell it in drops, i dont care

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, and we though "man, measuring things based on the size of a dead king's dick is dumb"

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justinh:

something I've often considered is – so you make things more secure but at what personal cost in terms of inconvenience? bad enough needing to double lock & arm the alarm every night. plus if you up the stakes... maybe the theif ups their game too. I don't want to be woken up to help some fucker find my wallet / car keys

[14:03:37]

Dagmar:

justinh: Well, start by not leaving the keys in the door

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|Torg|:

justinh what happens if your dog attacks him?

[14:03:57]

justinh:

|Torg|: they sue, most likely

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Dagmar:

justinh: Then, if you actually own the place, generally a good deadbolt lock, and a _hardened frame_ will make it so someone will have to smash the door down before they can get in

[14:04:40]

Dagmar:

Half people's places, the only thing holding the frame that eh door is attached to into the wall is a handful of nails just to keep it in place

[14:04:50]

Dagmar:

...and the door bolts will tear right through the wood if kicked properly.

[14:05:23]

Dagmar:

So you get a frame that's got _steel rods_ reinforcing that bit, so no kicking it in, and use a solid wood door, and just have the frame mounted with some nice long steel screws

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directhex|work:

the uk generally doesn't have the same culture for building fortresses as yankland

[14:05:38]

directhex|work:

though these days we need it

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but no one breaks in and takes my shit.

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|Torg|:

umm I dont even have that sevarity on my home, I lock the door thats about it

[14:06:15]

Dagmar:

I'm sad to say I've had fuckers trying to kill me before, so that sort of makes you take an interest in this sort of security.

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directhex|work:

i got beaten by some chavs once

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|Torg|:

I have a sign on my back years, says "Forget the dog, beware of owner"

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directhex|work:

it just increased my desire for legalising enforced euthenasia

[14:07:13]

Dagmar:

directhex: Go to a dojo and say to the master "I'd like to learn how to punch throats, very very fast."

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|Torg|:

you come brake into my hoase, and you will be treted like a duck

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Dagmar:

:)

[14:08:07]

Dagmar:

You don't need to hit a larynx very hard to make it's owner drop to the ground clutching it in a panic

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directhex|work:

i was certainly tense for a while after i got my beating, but i can console myself with the idea that the perpetrators will be lucky if they die of a heroin overdose at age 19

[14:08:47]

Dagmar:

It's "dirty" fighting, but it's the simplest way I've ever found to put a stop to rednecks having fun beating someone up

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directhex|work:

lots of filth and decay in this country. it'd be nice to just... sweep it all away

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Dagmar:

directhex: Seriously man, if you get as far as a yellow belt in most schools, there will be no more losses against untrained assailants.

[14:10:24]

Dagmar:

You'll know how to disable them long enough to get away at a brisk walk

[14:11:41]

Dagmar:

Some idiot frat boys kicked a guy to death in the bathroom of a nightclub I used to hang out at, and basically, I entirely stopped having a sense of humor about what rednecks do for entertainment on weekends.

[14:12:00]

Dagmar:

They thought they were just "roughing him up" but things change when it's many on one.

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directhex|work:

sad people with sad lives, find validation only in doing unto others what they feel has been done to them

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Dagmar:

Screw that. Do it to _them_, _first_.

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justinh:

hey listen if all my windows had immovable bars on them no facker is gonna get in. great until we can't find our hidden door keys when there's a fire

[14:14:53]

Dagmar:

So don't fraking put bars on your windows then

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Dagmar:

Just use glassbreak and window open sensors

[14:15:23]

Dagmar:

...and a REALLY loud alarm.

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directhex|work:

and buy a dog

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directhex|work:

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Buy_a_dog

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|Torg|:

he HAS a dog, they let him LOOSE

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GreyFoxx:

I picked up some little alarms (similar to personal alarms some woman carry). for $1 CDN each at the dollar store once

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GreyFoxx:

ifthey are seperated by more than 1 or 2 inches they make an incredibly annoying, almost painful shrieking alarm

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Dagmar:

Yep. That's the idea

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directhex|work:

the dog's not gonna be happy when the alarm goes

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GreyFoxx:

I interruppted a robbery in my house once.

[14:18:10]

GreyFoxx:

I chased them out the back

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GreyFoxx:

but had noidea if someone was still in the house

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GreyFoxx:

so me and a long butcher knife went searching the house in the dark

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|Torg|:

if they were smart, they wouldnt be criminals, they would have real jobs

[14:18:54]

GreyFoxx:

Thankfully they were gone

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Dagmar:

Exactly.

[14:19:29]

GreyFoxx:

they missed all the really valuable stuff cause they didn'tturn on the lights :)

[14:19:44]

GreyFoxx:

cash out in thge open, jewelery etc

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GreyFoxx:

they even stole liquor from our cabinet heh

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|Torg|:

ahh, so leave install a keg and tap and put two galsses out every night

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GreyFoxx:

I installed cams the next day that auto FTP the pics up, and triggered a voice message from me telling them so

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|Torg|:

I could expalin it to the wife, it wsa for safety, yea thats what it is :)

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|Torg|:

thief comes in, sees ale, drinks, get drunk...leaves my shit alone

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directhex|work:

http://www.cybermarket.co.uk/ishop/923/shopscr608.html

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|Torg|:

thiank I can sell one of my "thief proof systems"?

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directhex|work:

hook up to zoneminder

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justinh:

leave some tempting drinks out, but lace it with poison? or is that just too evil?

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** justinh pats his D4 nicely. dedicated cctv dvr. can't beat em really **

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justinh:

back when we made _great_ products

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justinh:

not flakey ones powered by shitty javascript powered web-based UIs

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justinh:

oops. best be careful. lost my car, don't want to lose my job aswell

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directhex|work:

justinh, i don't think thieves steal those

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: Sorry to hear about your burglary. I've been there and it sucks

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** directhex|work has been defrauded & beaten, and had his car vandalised, but never robbed **

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justinh:

directhex|work: yeah but works have eyes & ears ;) Don't diss the company

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justinh:

bugger. mobile phone location services that send a pin to the phone :(

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justinh:

pity the police didn't bother to use my phone to locate them, but then that's just the kind of forward thinking thing that just isn't ever done

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directhex|work:

from the fuzz? nah. they'd have to fill in a "permission to dial phone" form, and that's too much effort

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justinh:

yeah the amount of paperwork the copper had to fill in when he was here was ludicrous

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justinh:

my statement ran to 5 sides of a4 ffs

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justinh:

regarding value for money – not too happy with my car insurance company. their 'theft dept' will be getting in touch 'within 48 hours'. 48 hours?!

[14:44:45]

jduggan_:

who's your insurance company?

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justinh:

btw cheers greyfoxx. at least I don't think the week can get any worse :)

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justinh:

jduggan_: tesco

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jduggan_:

48hrs is terrible :)

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justinh:

then again my last ins. company were useless bastards too, in the top 5 for customer service allegedly

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jduggan_:

heh

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jduggan_:

do you have a replacement car on your policy agreement?

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justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

don't get that til I've been interviewed on the phone by the theft dept & loss adjuster

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quicksilver:

http://www.digitaldirect.co.uk/products_morei . . . uct_id=13551

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jduggan_:

you'd think it'd be in their interests to rush it through

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jduggan_:

oh right

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quicksilver:

not bad, 1080p 50 inch plasma for just over a grand.

[14:46:48]

jduggan_:

so two days before you can even get a replacement car

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justinh:

well, I wouldn't be using them ever again if that's a concern

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|Torg|:

tesco sells insurance? I thoght it was a grocery store

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jduggan_:

tesco sell everything they can to make an extra pound

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jduggan_:

:o

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, it's a behemoth. i think the stat is 1/3 of all money spent on the high street is in tescos

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, insurance, net access, widescreen tvs, loans, etc

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|Torg|:

last time I was in a tesco was in st albans, I thoguht it was cool becase it had automatic checkout lanes. We have them in the US now, but at the time it was still cool

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directhex|work:

they seem to need more staff telling people how the autolanes work, than would be required for normal lanes

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|Torg|:

yes and its a bit tedious to fead in all thoe coins

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|Torg|:

by the end of the week I had about £100 in change in my pocket

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|Torg|:

I thought, now I know why you call them pounds :P

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TUplink:

hi all..... i instaled myth from atrpms but removecommercials is not on my box.... any ideas where to get it?

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iamlindoro_:

there's nothing called "removecommercials." Mythcommflag is the binary, and it's part of myth, nothing seperate

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iamlindoro_:

And ever then, mythcommflag flags commercials, allowing you to skip them automatically during playback. To remove them forever requires a transcode.

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iamlindoro_:

er even

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|Torg|:

closer to actual use is let mythconflag commecials, use cutlist to veryfy often chanigng points, then manualy submit to transcode

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|Torg|:

advertisers and show makes are WELL aware the is commcial flagging and activly try to subvert it

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|Torg|:

well according to my tin foil hat

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TUplink:

i found it

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TUplink:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Script_-_RemoveCommercials

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TUplink:

thanks tho

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TUplink:

ttyl

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iamlindoro_:

Ugh, that stupid wiki article is growing

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nordenm:

bah. just bought a new nice indoors antenna, the BE is still a bit high for my taste though

[17:04:27]

nordenm:

bad weather outside today though

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nordenm:

is there any way to view the output of mythbackend live instead of looking in mythbackend.log all the time?

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iamlindoro_:

tail -r mythbackend.log or just invoke mythbackend from the command line

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iamlindoro_:

er tail -f

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nordenm:

thankyou

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iamlindoro_:

no problem

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nordenm:

I guess I'll leave the antenna where it is now and see if it works

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nordenm:

I'm looking for mpeg2video error messages to see if they appear now

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|Torg|:

what kind of errors?

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justinh:

whew. 3 more alarm zones fitted. shoulda done that years ago, lazy arse I am

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justinh:

how kind of my boss to offer to pick me up for work tomorrow. crafty

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Dagmar:

You get paid, right?

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Dagmar:

Look at it this way...

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Dagmar:

You not driving means you can have cocktails for breakfast.

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Dagmar:

:)

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Dagmar:

Whassat thing made with champagne and grapefruit juice?

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|Torg|:

mimosa?

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iamlindoro_:

Granita?

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Dagmar:

Torg++

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iamlindoro_:

A Mimosa is OJ

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|Torg|:

a mimisoa is make with orange jouce and grandine tho

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Dagmar:

I'm more fond of bloody marys for breakfast because tomatoes are nutritious, but mimosas are pretty nice, too

[17:28:24]

Dagmar:

Mimosas and crepes == yum

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justinh:

Dagmar: I get paid for having authorised leave to get over being burgle-ified

[17:28:52]

Dagmar:

justinh: Ah then call him and say "I'm too traumatized still"

[17:29:02]

Dagmar:

"I feel so violated" </deadpan

[17:29:05]

Dagmar:

>

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justinh:

see how well I sleep first I think

[17:29:47]

Dagmar:

Call up a rennie friend and ask if they have say, a morning star or wakizashi they can loan you.

[17:30:13]

Dagmar:

Or one of them little peruvian knives with the bend in it

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justinh:

a sawn-off might be more convincing

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but those can accidentally make holes in your neighbors

[17:31:09]

justinh:

an intruder isn't very likely to report me for having something that looks like a real gun & to have used it in a menacing way

[17:31:21]

Dagmar:

Trust me a wakizashi or morning star will be a LOT more satisfying. :)

[17:31:45]

Dagmar:

But he IS likely to react as if his life were in danger and endanger your life in turn

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justinh:

will the insurance co. send somebody round to clean up all the blood?

[17:31:54]

Dagmar:

A gun is not a "threat"

[17:31:57]

Dagmar:

Only idiots think that.

[17:32:01]

Dagmar:

A gun is a _promise_

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justinh:

a promise I mightn't be able to keep, at that

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Dagmar:

You don't just show it to someone, you _kill_ them with it or keep it hidden, because if you lose control of it, they WILL kill you with it.

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justinh:

prolly best not then

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Dagmar:

This is why blunt weapons and long knives work best.

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Dagmar:

Or if you really want to be pacifist about it, a creme pie

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justinh:

tbh without training they might as well be a fecking rolled up newspaper

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Dagmar:

...from the "never attack someone with something you can't eat, because if they get it from you, they might just make you eat it."

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Dagmar:

Blunt object don't require you to be a ninja.

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justinh:

requires a decent swing though, and I remember P.E. at school oh boy

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justinh:

I was a 'flid' :P

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Dagmar:

tell me...

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Dagmar:

Does http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . ing_star.jpg look like something you're going to have to be skilled to weild?

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justinh:

ffs man

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|Torg|:

intersting Dagmar, but I subscribe to never point a gun at anything you do not intend to shoot

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Dagmar:

Torg: How is that a "but"

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|Torg|:

well I consider it a deterrant

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Dagmar:

They're useless as deterrents.

[17:37:01]

Dagmar:

Shoot the assailant or don't bother.

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Dagmar:

To put this another way, let's say you're confronted by someone when you're armed, and you pull out a gun and point it at them.

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|Torg|:

unless you take into account crime rates where strict gun controll was effected, its not my opionion its data from the US Department of Justice

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Dagmar:

They say "Oh, you're not going to actually shoot me" and act accordingly.

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Dagmar:

UNTIL you shoot them, THEY are right./

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|Torg|:

if you are in my field poaching Im not about to warn you, unless you count the gunshot as a warning

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jackson:

...do people still poach?!

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|Torg|:

unfortuanltly

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Dagmar:

round here it's mainly a matter of people just don't know whose land they're on

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Dagmar:

In the parts of TN where hunting is "good" people know to make damn sure they know whose land they're on because growers don't fire warning shots.

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|Torg|:

there are signs that says no hunting, the posts are all painted, and you cant get into the land unless you sneak in. You have to activly try to be ignorant if you dont know.

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|Torg|:

Im not agsint hunting, I do it myself. im againt hunting where you are less then a mile from houe in just about every direction

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|Torg|:

besides poaching is not hunting

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Dagmar:

Okay yeah in a semi-populated area thta's just crazy to be shooting into cover

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Dagmar:

You should use a slingshot and marbles to damage them and then say "Oh, I couldn't see you for all the bushes"

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|Torg|:

It only happend once, my wife shot a man with her 22 in the knee. When the Sharrif came and arrested him he said he was lucky my wife was a bad shot. The Sarrif told him he was lucky my wife shot ained for his kneww and her shot was fine. I told the sharrif he was lucky my wife shot him and not me

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|Torg|:

aside frmt hat nobopady who lives arropund here is that stupid

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Viiru:

Is anyone using Myth with a Hauppauge Wintv nova-t 500? I'm running Debian testing and the current Marillat packages and having some issues. After a short while of watching tv, the image just freezes. Nothing seems to be using a lot of cpu or anything.

[18:03:28]

Viiru:

Sometimes I can just back out to the menu and restart, sometimes it says that there was an error during playback.

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BeFalou:

hi

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BeFalou:

what should I put in lircrc to get ALT-TAB?

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AcTiVaTe:

something like program = irxevent config = Key Alt-Tab RootWindow I guess

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BeFalou:

thanks, something to start with :)

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mrpockets:

hay guys

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Viiru:

Hmm. Now the kernel started printing "mt2060 I2C read failed" constantly.

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mrpockets:

yeah?

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Viiru:

And mythtv doesn't work even after a reboot.

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Viiru:

Shows a few seconds of video and then freezes.

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Viiru:

Hmph.

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MilkBoy:

Viiru: yo =)

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whodat:

i have an OTA hd channel that I cant get channel guide data for.. but i know its the same data as one of my cable channels.. is there a way to copy the listings over from that channel?

[18:39:40]

|Torg|:

fake its xmltvid

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|Torg|:

channel listings are by xmltvid not channel, what channel is it you cant get listings for?

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whodat:

i tried that... i changed it to the same xmltvid as my cable channel.. but it didnt populate anything after i ran mythfilldatabase

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|Torg|:

and where do you get data?

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whodat:

43_1 in cleveland, using schedules direct

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whodat:

schedules direct gives me data for 5_1 and 8_1 but not 43_1

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|Torg|:

does it giv you listings for cable too?

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whodat:

yeah

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whodat:

channel 7 cable from schedules direct is the same as channel 43_1 's listings from schedules direct

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whodat:

(43_1 OTA in cleveland)

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|Torg|:

yes, what is the channel?

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|Torg|:

and you may solve this simply by giving SD a fake zip code, it just thinks you cant get the channel. I do that becase I can recive channels that SD thinks are too far away

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whodat:

you mean the channel name?

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|Torg|:

yes so I can look it up on zap2it

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Viiru:

MilkBoy: Yo.

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whodat:

WUAB (WUAB-DT)

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|Torg|:

its xmltvid is 34516

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|Torg|:

is there some reason you cant list it from SD? It should easily be within range of your antenna?

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whodat:

i have no idea whyit isnt being grabbed

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whodat:

i thought it would too..

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|Torg|:

is it in your SD listings?

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whodat:

how do i check that?

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whodat:

the sd web page doesnt let you browse them

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|Torg|:

go to the website with your ubscription

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|Torg|:

it most certainly does, to log in, choose whaever sub you want, and select edit

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armbar:

is this a required discrepancy? libmyth-dev

[19:04:59]

armbar:

for mythtv svn trunk

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whodat:

torg: wow, cool

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|Torg|:

your welcome, but I dont maintain, have input to, or devep SD. Im just a sibscriber

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whodat:

its there.

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whodat:

so not sure why it wasnt being pulled.

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whodat:

i'll try updating the xmlid again

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|Torg|:

select it, make sire its enabled, make sire the xmltvid matches

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jackson:

doesn't SD also depend on the source configuration? Do you have SD enabled for that source?

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|Torg|:

yes but I assumed he had that if his otehr channel were working

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jackson:

Ah, I thought he was trying to suppliment a missing channel with a different SD feed that may not be associated with that source.

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whodat:

torg: you assumed correct.. ii am alrteady pulling 5_1 and 8_1 from sd

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whodat:

also, i renamed it to 7_1 from 43_1.. but on the channel guide it still appeared after channel 42 even though it said 7_1. ?

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|Torg|:

there are more then a few bordacsters in the US who are changin the frequencies they bordast on

[19:15:14]

|Torg|:

some keep old channel designations, some do not

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|Torg|:

I have one here that brodacasts alaong on one and digital on another, the digial bordast uses the analog channel number

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|Torg|:

just keep in mind channel number != channel frequency

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whodat:

eh?

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whodat:

i just want my 43_1(renamed to 7_1) to appear after channel 7.

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|Torg|:

go rename it then

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whodat:

i did lol

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whodat:

and it renamed correctly

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whodat:

but it still showed up after channel 42

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whodat:

in the mythfrontend program guide

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|Torg|:

it orderd by chanid

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bobbens:

Hello, I have a dvb-t card that back in the day wasn't able to handle some channels (bad antenna), if I wanted to try again, what approach should I do?

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Ribs:

use a decent antenna.

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sid3windr:

how smart, riblet ;)

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Ribs:

thanks tom ;)

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justinh:

must be my aftershave

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franck3d:

anyone here had any luck getting closed captioning working on a kworld 115?

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raj:

Hi, On SchedDirect.org, I see some of my OTA channels when I use a toronto postal, and some when I use buffalo. How can I load both lineups into mythtv db?

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foo8ar:

hi all, what would be the best way to migrate to a new server with new kind of dvb media/cards?

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tjcarter:

http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20080227 <--- explains so much

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franck3d:

anyone here had any luck getting closed captioning working on a kworld 115?

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salkaman:

has anyone successfully gotten the Niveus Media remote with the CM21A USB RF Reciever working at all? I've been having a kicking match with it off and on over the past couple days and am at my wits end trying to get it setup with mythbuntu

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monotonous:

hi guys – i'm trying hard to figure out how I can save my recordings from a hauppauge 150 card in mpeg2 format, without transcoding it to nuv-files – do you have suggestions?

[21:26:04]

monotonous:

i tried using transcoding to xvid etc but there must be a simpler solution (i need the files in mpeg2 for my xbmc)

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monotonous:

is there help? :)

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salkaman:

i wish i could help on that one, i've just gotten mythbuntu and am having my own issue with lirc and my remote :/

[21:27:09]

monotonous:

ok, well I think i can help with lirc :)

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directhex:

mo0dbo0m, hauppauge pve150 files are already mpeg2

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gbee:

monotonous: not sure what you mean? they are already mpeg2?

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monotonous:

i know directhex, but my myth transcodes it to nuv and if I want to play the files via upnp on my xbox they dont work ...

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monotonous:

am I wrong?

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gbee:

if you want to remove the adverts after editing, then you can just do an mpeg2 lossless transcode

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directhex:

nuv is a container, and hasn't been inflicted since 0.20 was released iirc

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monotonous:

i know its a container, but my old mplayer on the xbox plays no sound when playing them ...

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gbee:

under transcoding profiles look for the "autodetect from mpeg2" profile

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directhex:

monotonous, tried updating your xbmc?

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salkaman:

well, i've got a niveus media remote, and i've tried the atiusb and atilibusb drivers for it from lirc and recorded my own config file with irrecord, but when it's all copied into place and i reboot the system the remote still isn't working in myth, but

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salkaman:

it let me irrecord it and irw won't stay loaded and seems to kill lircd

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monotonous:

yes, newest version!

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directhex:

monotonous, load up the xbmc settings, check for multiple audio streams

[21:29:33]

monotonous:

?

[21:29:36]

monotonous:

load up?

[21:29:58]

gbee:

monotonous: at least in trunk mythtv can transcode to mpeg2

[21:30:21]

directhex:

yeah. whilst playing a video, bring up that plus-shaped menu, pick the audio settings window. there should be a screen which will show all audio streams

[21:30:25]

monotonous:

directhex: I tried using the digital and analog audio streams, both dont give sound

[21:30:38]

directhex:

gbee, not sure why it's required though. mplayer should be fine with pvr150 recordings as-is

[21:30:44]

gbee:

thought mpeg2 transcoding was possible in 0.20.2

[21:31:03]

gbee:

directhex: yeah, but I guess he is editing out the adverts

[21:31:07]

monotonous:

yeah, copying video and audio should be possible ...

[21:31:14]

monotonous:

no no, it's not because of adverts

[21:31:26]

salkaman:

bbiaf

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directhex:

monotonous, what format are your audio streams? run "ffmpeg -i" on a recording

[21:31:47]

gbee:

monotonous: ok, guess I didn't read what you were saying carefully enough

[21:32:09]

monotonous:

i hope i can find a non-transcoded one .)

[21:32:33]

monotonous:

ah! this happens only in newer version of mythtv – in older versions (prior network protocol 35) it worked with sound!

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directhex:

monotonous, you're using xbmcmythtv?

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monotonous:

ffmpeg -i output: http://pastebin.com/m78a7138f

[21:34:15]

monotonous:

audio is mp3

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directhex:

that's from a pvr150? O_o

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monotonous:

no, im not using xmbcmythtv because it doesnt work with the newest mythtv network protocol

[21:35:04]

monotonous:

directhex: at least i hope but the video codec says RJPG --- i got a transcoded one- damn :)

[21:35:11]

directhex:

sure doesn't look like output from a pvr150

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monotonous:

ok, i'm trying to stop a new recording and try it again

[21:37:38]

monotonous:

actually my newest recording is saved as .mpeg :D

[21:37:51]

monotonous:

is it transcoded to a .nuv after finishing the record?

[21:39:02]

gbee:

monotonous: only if you've told myth to do that

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gbee:

won't do it by default

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directhex:

you should never ever ever see a .nuv file with a pvr150 and recent mythtv

[21:39:24]

monotonous:

me 2, but I dont know where the setting is :)

[21:39:26]

directhex:

ever

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gbee:

directhex|work: not true, transcoding can still optionally use nuv

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monotonous:

can you tell me where i can turn it off? it is auto-transcoding, but where?

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directhex:

sounds like you're forcing nuvexport with shitty settings after a recording, or somesuch

[21:40:06]

directhex:

gbee, why not cut off a finger after recordings instead?

[21:40:14]

gbee:

but you'd have to set it to transcode to a profile which uses nuv :)

[21:40:25]

directhex:

nobody should ever *want* nuv

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directhex:

nuv is what you get forced into by shitty framegrabbers

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gbee:

directhex: didn't say you'd want to do it, but that it can still be done

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directhex:

gbee, i know it *can* be, but you never *should* ;)

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gbee:

monotonous: mythtv-setup

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monotonous:

ah ok – so i have to find the transcoding profile which transcodes all my recordings?

[21:41:11]

monotonous:

mythtv-setup? ok

[21:41:12]

monotonous:

:)

[21:41:27]

monotonous:

i hope my x server doesnt crash :)

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gbee:

monotonous: just turn off auto-transcoding, you don't need it

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monotonous:

ok guys

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monotonous:

thx, I'll try to find the annoying autotranscoder

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monotonous:

but first I have to recompile myth without xvmc, which crahes my x-server :)

[21:43:41]

salkaman:

any ideas about my issue, monotonous?

[21:44:17]

monotonous:

irrecord recognizes your key presses?

[21:44:22]

salkaman:

yeah

[21:44:30]

salkaman:

it sees them and records an lircd.conf for me

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salkaman:

but when i put it in there, irw won't run afterwards

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monotonous:

then?

[21:45:22]

monotonous:

what means irw wont run?

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salkaman:

it'll run, exit to prompt, then causes a connect refused message after it crashes lircd

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salkaman:

hm

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monotonous:

how do you start irw? with extra parameters?

[21:46:06]

salkaman:

let me reboot it real quick

[21:46:10]

salkaman:

no, no parameters

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monotonous:

and what are your parameters for lircd?

[21:46:37]

monotonous:

ok, what I remember is, that irw uses /dev/lirc0 if you dont use parameters, right?

[21:46:40]

salkaman:

well, they're whatever mythbuntu installs with it

[21:46:56]

salkaman:

but might've changed by now with all of this fussing with it i've been doing :p

[21:47:13]

salkaman:

yeah, it's set to /dev/lirc0 in the hardware.conf

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monotonous:

content of /etc/lirc/hardware.conf

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monotonous:

?

[21:47:36]

monotonous:

which module do u use?

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salkaman:

sure, once it reboots

[21:47:49]

salkaman:

the atiusb and atilibusb modules are what i've tried

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monotonous:

if you "cat /dev/lirc0" and press keys, do you see chars?

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salkaman:

i'll be able to ssh to it in a sec

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salkaman:

that's my hardware.conf

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salkaman:

hm

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salkaman:

or i have to register a user to dcc

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salkaman:

lol

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monotonous:

use pastebin.com

[21:51:58]

salkaman:

http://pastebin.com/m513e5fee

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salkaman:

and cat /dev/lirc0 comes up with invalid argument as root

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monotonous:

invalid argument?

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monotonous:

ls /dev/lirc*

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salkaman:

# ls /dev/lirc*

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monotonous:

did you load the kernel modules? try lsmod

[21:54:29]

salkaman:

shows lirc0 and lircd

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salkaman:

grep for lirc?

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monotonous:

no ati

[21:55:27]

salkaman:

root@mediabox:/etc/lirc# lsmod | grep ati

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salkaman:

lirc_atiusb 19360 0

[21:55:27]

salkaman:

lirc_dev 15860 1 lirc_atiusb

[21:55:27]

salkaman:

usbcore 138632 3 lirc_atiusb,ohci_hcd

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monotonous:

you should add the modules to the modules section of the hardware.conf

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monotonous:

ok, its loaded

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salkaman:

yeah, it's loaded

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monotonous:

if you now cat the device, you get an invalid argument?

[21:55:51]

salkaman:

yup

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salkaman:

using "cat /dev/lirc0"

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monotonous:

parameters of irrecord?

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salkaman:

irrecord -d /dev/lirc0 Niveus.conf

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monotonous:

the content of Niveus.conf makes sense?

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monotonous:

or are there only 0s?

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salkaman:

it's sensible

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salkaman:

shows my buttons and labels

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monotonous:

hm

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salkaman:

i'll post it in a sec

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monotonous:

start irw and look at the last lines of dmesg

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monotonous:

perhaps the kernel module crashes?

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salkaman:

http://pastebin.com/m292da82b is the lircd.conf file it made for me

[22:00:19]

monotonous:

looks ok – try the irw and dmesg thing

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salkaman:

[ 46.247623] lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61

[22:01:56]

salkaman:

[ 46.272336] lirc_atiusb: USB remote driver for LIRC $Revision: 1.61 $

[22:01:56]

salkaman:

[ 46.272343] lirc_atiusb: Paul Miller <pmiller9@users.sourceforge.net >

[22:01:56]

salkaman:

[ 46.452745] lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0

[22:01:56]

salkaman:

[ 46.458199] lirc_atiusb[2]: X10 Wireless Technology Inc USB Receiver on usb2:2

[22:01:57]

salkaman:

[ 46.475252] usbcore: registered new interface driver lirc_atiusb

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salkaman:

that's all i see for lirc

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monotonous:

do you see the lircd output?

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monotonous:

you can get it to stdout with -n

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salkaman:

hm, what do i use to manually launch the driver again?

[22:03:11]

monotonous:

start lircd with the right parameters (you can take it from /etc/init.d/lircd) and add -n

[22:03:24]

monotonous:

modprobe lirc_atiusb

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salkaman:

nada

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salkaman:

looks like irw crapped it again

[22:04:15]

monotonous:

but if the kernel module has an error there must be a log in dmesg

[22:04:29]

monotonous:

if there is no error lircd crashed and you have to start it with -n

[22:04:44]

monotonous:

then, open another terminal, start irw and look what lircd does

[22:05:29]

monotonous:

I think this way you can find the problem! I'm afraid I have to go now ! if you cant find a solution, mail me monotonous AT mail DOT ru

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salkaman:

sure thing

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monotonous:

good n8

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salkaman:

okay, so it comes back with

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salkaman:

lircd-0.8.2[6194]: couldn't claim USB interface: Device or resource busy

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salkaman:

lircd-0.8.2[6194]: caught signal

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salkaman:

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mikeones:

something is starange is going on with libmythtv-dev on my debian system. apt-get build-dep mythtv want to remove libmyth-dev and apt-get build-dep mythplugins wants to install libmyth-dev. mythfrontend complains that the plugins were built agins too diffrent versions of libmyth-dev.

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mikeones:

anyone seen this? http://pastebin.ca/921305

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whodat:

not getting channel data for one channel in my lineup even though its in my SD listing. i even checked the xmltvid and it matches.. ?

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Sembiance:

I'm trying to output 1920x1080p to my projector with a nvidia card. I specify 1920x1080 as a Modes item in my Screen section of xorg.conf, and this works, but my projector says it's getting a 1080/60i signal, which I believe means interlaced right?

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imperfect-:

Are there any gotchas to DVD playback?

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imperfect-:

It won't work and gives me tons of [ac3 @ 0x2b5c93c724f0]buffer 192000 too small

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