Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, February 24th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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Viaken:

...golf?

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justinh:

suicide before golf

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Viaken:

hehehe

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EnderTheThird:

some say they're the same thing

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justinh:

I've seen golf turn nice ordinary people into the most horrid bores

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Viaken:

Ok, so roller derby.

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mchou:

hah!

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jamesd:

everyone has to love golf if they have a digital tuner and a semi decent antenna, the pictures just blows me away

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mchou:

this is funny

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EnderTheThird:

golf's fun as hell if you don't take it too seriously. just have to remember you're using a stick to whack the crap out of a ball

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justinh:

EnderTheThird: blasphemy!

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mchou:

memory is now insecure part of trusted computing

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mchou:

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20080222/D8UVK9Q80.html

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justinh:

golf? fun? they'll run you off the fairways

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mchou:

that's hilarious

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mchou:

anyonyone can now be a cracker with compressed air

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jamesd:

mchou, real servers deploy background memory scrubbers as well as OS support for wipping memory before its reused.

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mchou:

jamesd: you gotta be kidding me, right?

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mchou:

scrubber is useless when the chips are frozen

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Dagmar:

mchou: jamesd hasn't seen the report yet

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jamesd:

mchou, nope... check out trusted solaris, and a decent opteron server

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mchou:

jamesd: read my lips

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mchou:

jamesd: you cant scrub frozen chips

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EnderTheThird:

hmmm, who knew. xfs didnt' take away 20 GB like ext3 did

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justinh:

don't worry. AMD will come out with a CPU that gets so hot you won't be able to freeze anything in the box :P

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Dagmar:

The issue is that they're not even in a state that they would be scrubbed

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jamesd:

mchou, of course, you haven't seen fortune 500 level datacenter security...

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mchou:

Dagmar: bingo!

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mchou:

jamesd: lol

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Dagmar:

mchou: I've read the report

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Dagmar:

Someone posted the actual report to Memestreams a few days ago

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mchou:

jamesd: considering I used to work at EMC and HP in a former life I'm well familiar with data center security

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Dagmar:

http://www.memestreams.net/users/decius

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mchou:

jamesd: you dont seem to understand that this means DRM is udeless unless the build the memory into the CPU

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jamesd:

mchou, has been part of a datacenter move... they hired a brinks truck along with two armed security vechicles to move a dozen servers, 4 miles...

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justinh:

wonder how many memories they broke with thermal shock...

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mchou:

useless*

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Dagmar:

Here we go

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Dagmar:

http://www.memestreams.net/users/acidus/blogid10325606/

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Dagmar:

Anything that gets Billy worked up enough to refer to it as "Felton + Anderson = Crazy Delicious" has definitely got to be worth reading. :)

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mchou:

haha!!

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Dagmar:

That's how I found out about it

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Dagmar:

It's a good attack

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mchou:

in any case, this is just more proof DRM gonna fail big time

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mchou:

read only memory, lol

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Dagmar:

it makes me glad that at least the GNOME guys were already peripherally aware of it as a problem to be solved

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mchou:

kinda like using a debugger to step thru registers :)

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Dagmar:

There's mechanisms (some already there, some still unfinished) in place to clear all the keys out of memory before hibernation

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mchou:

well, the keys can be read anytime

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Dagmar:

Only if they're IN the machine tho

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mchou:

hibernation just happens to be a convienent break point

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justinh:

so how long did it take those guys to work out dram didn't decay straight away when the refresh stops?

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Dagmar:

The point of the gnome keyring mods was to get things to a state where the keys go on your thumbdrive, which, if you're not an idiot, will normally be around your neck.

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mchou:

Dagmar: and this helps DRM hoe? :)

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mchou:

how*

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Dagmar:

...but above and beyond that, to at least revert the keyrings on disk to locked state by getting rid of the password and making the user re-enter it upon de-hibernation

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Dagmar:

Fuck DRM.

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Dagmar:

DRM is dead.

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mchou:

I'm not so sure about DRM being dead

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Stowaway_:

hey iamlondoro r u there?

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Dagmar:

Each little DRM system never seems to survive for very long, just due to the nature of the game.

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Dagmar:

Permanent data is anathema to DRM.

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justinh:

DRm doesn't need to be dead, we just need people to stop using it :P

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justinh:

and stop buying systems where its use is implicit!

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mchou:

Dagmar: can you say blu-ray?

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Dagmar:

Can you say "laser disc"?

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Dagmar:

For that matter, can you say "DVD"?

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mchou:

no, how about HD DVD

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Dagmar:

All of these media mean the data on them will have a non-indefinite lifespan

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Viaken:

There will always be execs who don't know a TCP port from a hole in their...anyway, who are techtards and will buy into DRM schemes.

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Dagmar:

...because they all use a DRM restriction.

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Dagmar:

I've got some "Movies on CD" here that are an excelelnt example.

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mchou:

lol

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Dagmar:

They're unplayable, just because they required a special codec which is no longer available legally for anything but Win98.

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mchou:

who uses VCDs?

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justinh:

DRM needn't be all that bad. it could just be used for reasons other than restricting the how, the when & the where we play our media. Alas...

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Dagmar:

The company that owns the codec? Dead.

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Stowaway_:

yesterday iamlondoro said i had to install mythtv by the source in order to beable to make myththello..

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Stowaway_:

can i do this to install by the source :

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Stowaway_:

# apt-get build-dep mythtv

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Stowaway_:

# apt-get source mythtv --compile

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Stowaway_:

?

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justinh:

Stowaway_: he spoke the truth

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Stowaway_:

or do i have to download it. untar. ./configure ect

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justinh:

Stowaway_: sudo apt-get install subversion

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Dagmar:

Blu-ray will only be around as long as Sony decides it's profitable.

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justinh:

roflmao – tarballs of mythtv?! ffs don't even go there

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Stowaway_:

if i install it by svn then it'll be by source?

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Dagmar:

So, anything you get on it, is not likely to be watchable in 25 years.

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justinh:

Stowaway_: yeah

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Stowaway_:

coool

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justinh:

Dagmar: assuming the discs even last that long

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justinh:

Stowaway_: more people queuing up to make pointless & ridiculous plugins? yay

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Dagmar:

MythTamagotchi

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mchou:

wtf is mythhello??

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Dagmar:

Oh wait, we already have that

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justinh:

mchou: mythhello is a 'hello world' plugin example

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Stowaway_:

well hopefully when im finished with it it wont be useless

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mchou:

and does this mean there's a mythgoodbye?

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justinh:

Stowaway_: wossit gonna be then?

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Dagmar:

...or at least, you know that to make the mythtamagotchi happy, you always need to buy moar disks

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jamesd:

mchou, ssshhh.. that is programming excersize two in the mythtv training course

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justinh:

an automagical program to locate & download themes with bloo in the name, wherever they might be hidden?

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mchou:

yeah, fork && die

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mchou:

I need to figure out why this linksys router keeps on crashing

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mchou:

some wireless process got all it's wires crossed

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justinh:

Stowaway_: I wasn't pouring scorn on your idea, but there've been some very silly things done in the name of 'improvement of mythtv' recently. sudo wget http://ayoutubevideo && sudo mplayer $thevideofilename

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mchou:

screw that

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mchou:

youtube video on myth

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justinh:

the code actually did 'sudo wget' though

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mchou:

who are these ppl, are they on crack?

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** justinh laughs **

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Stowaway_:

well, it wont be anything for atleast a few months

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Stowaway_:

im kinda learning c++ & linux at the same time.

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justinh:

forget the name of the enterprise now, but it was all over the lists for a short while

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Stowaway_:

but i want to make a tvseries plugin just like mediaportals one.

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justinh:

Stowaway_: well, good luck and whatever it is, I hope it's useful ;)

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Stowaway_:

so theres 2 menus 1 for movies 1 for tv shows

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mchou:

lol

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Stowaway_:

thats all i want and mythtv is perfect then

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mchou:

more usless junk

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justinh:

Stowaway_: word to the wise – use mythui and don't make any new widgets or the gods will be unhappy

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Stowaway_:

not if u have 500gig of tv shows that u want sorted out

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mchou:

Stowaway_: then you are clearly recording too much tv

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Stowaway_:

I dont record anything. im naughty

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Stowaway_:

i download everything

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justinh:

I frequently have 500GB of tv recordings. I sort them out, then there are only 250GB :D

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mchou:

cause nobody has time to watch all that junk

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justinh:

but if it wasn't for the file squirrels who'd be driving consumer HDD sizes up?

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mchou:

500GB of tv shows is ridiculous

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Stowaway_:

I like storing all my tv shows. that way when friends come over for awhile they have a big option of what to watch

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Stowaway_:

i jsut download whole seasons

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mchou:

umm, you must be a very boring person

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Stowaway_:

yeah

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justinh:

when my friends come over for a while it's usually just for a quick natter before we hit the town

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jeffery:

mchou, 500GB is nothing.. I have over 1000GB of tv shows

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mchou:

you have friends come over, and the most exciting thing you can think of is watch TV?

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sphing:

Stowaway_, you dont have to justify why you have 500gb of tv

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Stowaway_:

well when u get engaged u get over hitting the town

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justinh:

Stowaway_: if it gets to that point you GET OUT

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justinh:

ffs I'm married & I'm still allowed out to play. it's a 2-way street :)

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mchou:

jeffery: you clearly dont understand my point

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mchou:

jeffery: ppl have beetr things to do than watch 1TB worth of TV shows

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Stowaway_:

okay okay. u know ur a geek when u sound like the biggest geek in a linux channel

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justinh:

I used to be a file squirrel, but I just can't pin down when I realised how silly it was

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jeffery:

what is your point? trying to judge how others store their data

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sphing:

mchou, why dont you deal with your storage and let Stowaway_ and jeffery deal with theirs

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mchou:

jeffery: my point is you need to get a life

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justinh:

I think the point is – where will it end? you'll never have enough storage – EVER. It won't stop

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sphing:

the irony of two dudes fighting in an irc as to who has a "life"

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sphing:

this is what makes irc so great..

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mchou:

sphing: yeah, and a ref who tries to stop tem

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mchou:

them*

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jeffery:

mchou, thats the problem, you want to control what others do. its their preference if they want to store 500GB or more

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sphing:

touche

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mchou:

jeffery: are you daft?

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mchou:

I'm not controlling anyone

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mchou:

you give me too much credit

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** J-e-f-f-A currently has 960GB for recordings, 500GB for videos and 200GB for music... ;-) **

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justinh:

oh yeah now I remember. I stopped hoarding files when I realised I'd never actually watched that stuff more than once, and I needed more room for new things

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: My recordings are mostly my son's... and they constantly roll off, with max episodes, etc... ;-)

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** jamesd only has 1.3TB for storage, and 250GB for shows... of course i also have a couple hundred GB more in older servers for redundancy... gotta love ZFS **

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sphing:

my recordings are mine, and i couldn't give a shit if justinh thinks i have to many or if he lets me sit as hit table at lunch

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jeffery:

lol good one sphing

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justinh:

why's it turned on me ffs?

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mchou:

sphing: all you recordings belong to RIAA

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mchou:

sphing: they dont belong to you at all

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hey, be nice to justinh — he makes some great themes!!! ;-)

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sphing:

moving the subject along... anyone know if ffmpeg can do autocropping?

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justinh:

I didn't even farking start it

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: past tense

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justinh:

that's _made_

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Say it isn't so! :-(

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justinh:

yeah they're all off to the big tarball in the sky. truth is none of them pass muster anymore. chances are I'll be back with new ones in time for 0.22 when more of the mythui work has been completed

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justinh:

or more likely A new one

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justinh:

guy meets mythtv, likes it but thinks the themes suck. bashes one out & is happy with it for a bit. eventually gets carried away & ends up trying to maintain a mix of 10 GUI & OSD themes – all the while trying to remain motivated while knowing that they're all gonna get seriously broken in a few months time

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Well, I for one greatly appreciate the work you put into them. I like them alot... ;-)

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mchou:

farking router

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mchou:

I need to find out if it's bad HW or crappy firmware

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mchou:

this is really chapping my hide

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mchou:

good thing the phones still work

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: well, they're all up there still, ready for somebody else to take them on if they want. my heart hasn't been in it for a while

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mchou:

otherwise this would be a wasted investment

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justinh:

need more people to do themes, esp ones which aren't a bloody rip-off of mediportal skins. it's a big time investment at first but it's XML & pictures not rocket science

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mchou:

I don't get this

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: oh yeah not to mention keeping 2 branches working aswell. trunk & 0.20. never agin, I tell you

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justinh:

I have a feeling glass-wide will live on, albeit in a similar guise

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I've had similar issues with dlink and netgear routers — turned out to be massive net attacks. I got a spi firewalled router and haven't had an issue since...

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: nope, this only happens if I turn on wireless

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: I hear ya. It's alot of work. That's why I haven't done 1/10th the amount of stuff I've wanted to do with Myth — no time to di it...

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: I suspect that TKIP or whatever is crashing

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justinh:

a while back I was getting messenger spam junk on an unprecidented level – complained to the company the ip range belongs to – they denied responsibility though remarkably it seems to have stopped. Hmmmm

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: if I turn off wireless everything is a-OK

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Viaken:

justinh: I hate that. "Has nothing to do with our systems, I promise." and suddenly it works again...

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, sounds like a bug in the wireless programming... Or somebody's sitting in front of your house running Netstumbler... ;-)

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: and none of this means I've stopped developing. woo no. working on something (code) right now as a matter of fact ;)

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justinh:

it's not even partly working yet but I can't code!

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: I wish I was young and carefree again... I'd have all sorts of time to work on Myth... (Of course, if I had hit the $270M jackpot I would have had pleanty of time too... but alas, I didn't come up with the right 6 numbers...)

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mchou:

damn. This means I wont be able to run asterisk on the router

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mchou:

that sucks!!

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CCFL_Man3:

mchou: wtf? just run it on any old box

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mchou:

CCFL_Man3: cause running asterisk for 2 simultaneous call appearances on "any old box" would be a total waste

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mchou:

best place to run it is the router

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mchou:

I'm doing my part to reduce my carbon footprint :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: run it on an old laptop... ;-)

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Viaken:

Run Folding@Home on it, too. Then you're helping...

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mchou:

screw that

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Viaken:

hehehe

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mchou:

Folding@home is the biigest fraud perpetrated

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mchou:

biggest*

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Viaken:

Oh?

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CCFL_Man3:

you can reduce your carbon footprint by not farting

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CCFL_Man3:

mchou: what about setiathome?

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mchou:

CCFL_Man3: you can reduce your carbon footprint by dying too

[00:51:07]

mchou:

CCFL_Man3: but that's clearly not the point

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mchou:

*@home are all fruds

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mchou:

frauds*

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CCFL_Man3:

k

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** J-e-f-f-A guesses he shouldn't mention that he drives a big SUV... (oops!) **

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CCFL_Man3:

terrrorrrist!

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purserj:

I thought the terrrrists were those who didn't drive an SUV

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

wtf

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mchou:

are you guys for real?

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purserj:

don't know, for all you know I could an extremely well written bot

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J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man3: Did you ever see the banned VW commercial where a suicide bomber pulls up in front of a cafe' in a VW and pushes the button and the whole inside of the car blows up, but the car is intact... and the tag line is something along the lines of "It's that tough"... (search youtube if you haven't)

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cesman:

interesting...

[00:56:45]

cesman:

that fails on so many levels

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mchou:

lol

[00:57:05]

mchou:

maybe that's why they pulled the commercial

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, I know... it's not a good idea for a commercial... Just the talk about cars & terrorists made me remember it... (ADHD kicking in...)

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J-e-f-f-A:

cesman: ^^

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mchou:

always count on those germans for lousy sense of humor

[00:59:06]

mchou:

gah

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mchou:

wtf??

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mchou:

"Yahoo Sued for Spurning Microsoft"

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Viaken:

Yeah. Saw that. Their shareholders are suing them.

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purserj:

mchou: yar, basically shareholders claiming Yahoo board failed in duty to shareholders

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Viaken:

Screwed up, innit?

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CCFL_Man2:

purserj: so as long as shareholders are making money, who really cares how yahoo does business

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mchou:

nope. it was pension funds, according to the article I read

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purserj:

CCFL_Man2: it's about maximising returns to shareholders

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mchou:

"The lawsuit was filed in Delaware Chancery Court on Thursday by lawyers representing Detroit's police and fire retirement system and general retirement system"

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purserj:

if the shareholders could have made more money from the MS bid, then they feel the board should have accepted the bid

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mchou:

there you go

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cesman:

doesn't matter how the fund holders are, it is still shareholders and they _want_ thier money...

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CCFL_Man2:

purserj: this is why the world will fail

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cesman:

Captialism, by hook or by crook...

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Anduin:

a proxy fight was expected

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purserj:

this is why corps are focused on quarterly results rather than long term

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purserj:

because the whole system is setup for maximum short term profits vs long term sustainable profits

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mchou:

purserj: well, that's also because long term sustainable profits are hard to measure

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mchou:

purserj: for all we know SCO has a "long term sustainable profit" strategy :)

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purserj:

mchou: oh we knew what that was

[01:05:37]

purserj:

it just didn't work very well

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CCFL_Man2:

sco? the guys who monopolized unix?

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** CCFL_Man2 feels like pirating sci unix just for the hell of it **

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mchou:

sci unix?

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CCFL_Man2:

sco

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mchou:

wtf is that?

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CCFL_Man2:

sco unix

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CCFL_Man2:

even though freebsd is better

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purserj:

a kick in teeth is better than SCO Unix

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CCFL_Man2:

purserj: why do companies even use it?

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mchou:

cause they are stuck

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purserj:

^^

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purserj:

It's a legacy OS

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purserj:

specifically it was targetted as a backend server OS for POS systems

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mchou:

POS is right! :)

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purserj:

heh

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purserj:

I had to support the damn thing for 4 1/2 years

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CCFL_Man2:

yeah, i see it used with many applications like that

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purserj:

At one time it was okay, comparatively

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mchou:

purserj: lemme guess, McD? :)

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CCFL_Man2:

an old cash register server on a pentium 120MHz compaq

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purserj:

mchou: actually no, a tv network in Australia

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mchou:

purserj: tv network had POS??

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purserj:

let's just say it ran two of the most mission critical applications in the network and had to be rebooted every night

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mchou:

how the hell did that work?

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CCFL_Man2:

oh, suckage

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purserj:

mchou: badly

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CCFL_Man2:

i remember seeing an old 386 compaq running sco xenix as a cash register server

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purserj:

it was bought back in 96, and the apps it ran hadn't been ported to anything else

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purserj:

they were talking about replacing it when I started, and still talking about replacing it when I left four and half years later

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

talk is cheap :)

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andrboot:

ok, so i have given trying to use live tv.. bought a Digi box.. and wanting to use it via Composite.. but.. for some reason it a ppears all wonky and then the picture fades in mythtv...

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** jamesd has to admit my first experience with unix was on a sco box... 386 that was on the internet... 6 dial up lines, and usually 16–20 telneted in all on a 386–25 with 8MB of ram and a few scsi drives.. not more than 300MB of storage. **

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jamesd:

on a 1/2 isdn link to the net.

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CCFL_Man2:

hah

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CCFL_Man2:

jamesd: how well did that work?

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jamesd:

CCFL_Man2, better than my windows 3.1 box of the time.. got me interested in unix and thus linux since it was free...

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mchou:

it probably worked bettr than most other x86 junk at the time

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CCFL_Man2:

jamesd: oh, thats a given

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CCFL_Man2:

mchou: thats a given too

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GreyFoxx:

bah, my projector doesn't like the DVI port on my old MX440, but is fine with my FX5200

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GreyFoxx:

looks like the old one will be replaced soon :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: I have a ProVista 18.2" LCD that my old winblows PC wouldn't even POST if connected via DVI... (very strange...) Un-plugged it, and it would complete the POST and boot...

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CCFL_Man2:

jamesd: those dial up lines were all serial modems? even the isdn?

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GreyFoxx:

J-e-f-f-A: heh weird

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GreyFoxx:

This is the first time I've used the DVI port on this card, so for all I know it's been broken for years

[01:18:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: So I gave up on DVI with it and have run it analog ever since... (it's about 4 yrs old now...)

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jamesd:

CCFL_Man2, 2400 baud modems irrc, there was one or two 9600 baud modems that were prized.

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GreyFoxx:

In the end it really doesn't matter, I'm gonna have 2 fx5200's in this one frontend feeding the projector and the flatscreen anyway

[01:18:52]

GreyFoxx:

but I'm gonna replace the mx440 anyway

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jamesd:

this was over 10 years ago...

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CCFL_Man2:

jamesd: and a 64k connection to the net via isdn? and that was done via ppp?

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jamesd:

CCFL_Man2, not sure.. i wasn't an admin at the time.. but i dont think it was ppp, probably pre-dated ppp by at least a couple years.

[01:19:46]

CCFL_Man2:

like 96 or 95 then

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CCFL_Man2:

jamesd: wonder how it did tcp/ip with the internet

[01:20:26]

GreyFoxx:

back around '91/92 SLIP/CSLIP was common, with PPP shortly following

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CCFL_Man2:

oh, thats right

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GreyFoxx:

and under win3.1 you needed trumpet winsock (since windows had no socket layer back then)

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jamesd:

not sure... i used a regular serial link, to get slackware 96... didn

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh, eww

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mchou:

anyone use fancontrol by any chance?

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jamesd:

't even have slip configured.

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** J-e-f-f-A remembers using the Win95 PPP 'multilink' with 3 modems to get 112Kbps on 3 56k dialups... **

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CCFL_Man2:

jamesd: you have a modern version of that setup? freebsd on an old emachones connected to the lan as your shell/application server?

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jamesd:

nope.. i mostly use debian/ubuntu and solaris and xp for the family and work

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CCFL_Man2:

ooh, solaris?

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jamesd:

i do have a irix SGI box and solaris 8..

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jamesd:

CCFL_Man2, yeap.. solaris 10.. rocks

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CCFL_Man2:

sexy

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jamesd:

wish mythtv was ported to soalris 8... if only just for frontend and transcoding...

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jamesd:

er solaris 10...

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CCFL_Man2:

jamesd: you hear that the next solaris will have a "java kernel"?

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jamesd:

CCFL_Man2, i

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jamesd:

'm using the next release, and its not java..

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CCFL_Man2:

is it some solaris express version?

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jamesd:

CCFL_Man2, and i'm good friends with several solaris kernel coders and support people and i can guarantee they are not merging java code with the kernel

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jamesd:

yes CCFL_Man2

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CCFL_Man2:

oh, thank goodness

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** CCFL_Man2 has fail in sun once again **

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jamesd:

SunOS amd 5.11 snv_81 i86pc i386 i86pc

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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CCFL_Man2:

fail = faith

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jamesd:

they are merging xen with solaris express it rocks..

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CCFL_Man2:

why is sun abandoning their old closed source solaris stuff? i know some hardkore admins that won't touch solarix express yet

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mchou:

gah, damn linksys

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jamesd:

abandoning.. they are giving it away to get people to use it and code for it and expand...

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mchou:

tamperproof torx fasteners

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CCFL_Man2:

jamesd: i'm guessing to compete with linux?

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jamesd:

CCFL_Man2, solaris express is beta... when its finished it will be ready for enterprise production and they will use it in years.

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CCFL_Man2:

oh, it's still beta?

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jamesd:

CCFL_Man2, some what.. but mostly to win market share from hp-un and aix and get better support for x86

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jamesd:

CCFL_Man2, solaris express is always the beta release.... and always has been.

[01:29:48]

CCFL_Man2:

oh, it won't be 11 until it's final

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jamesd:

yeap.. of course they also test patches and stuff for solaris 10 quarterly updates or at when ever needed.

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andrboot:

is tehre anyone here that can help me with my mthtv setup @ all.

[01:31:10]

jamesd:

andrboot, we can try... ask a question and you may get an answer

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andrboot:

ook.. currently i have my digi top box plugged into my tuner card as Composite (Composite2 in myth) the top box works with colour and all on a normal tv.. but in myth its black/grainy and not the full picture

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andrboot:

is there a special chan/setting in the backend that i have to set?

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CCFL_Man2:

i still have my free dvd, solaris 10 11/06, whats the latest?

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jamesd:

CCFL_Man2, i think they have a newer version out... but if you want the latest get solaris express... its more than stable enough for home use... its really rare to have a crash in solaris express, i have seen it once in the lsat 5 years.. or so... and i usually have uptimes of 6 months or more.

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jamesd:

of course hardware issues don't count...

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justinh:

andrboot: sounds like you picked the wrong video standard in mythtv-setup. most of europe needs PAL, rest of world NTSC

[01:35:23]

justinh:

(generally speaking)

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andrboot:

hmm

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CCFL_Man2:

i have an old netra T1, i put debian sparc on it because i wanted to use it as a pbx, should i have installed the latest solaris and used zaptel and asterisk for solaris?

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jamesd:

CCFL_Man2, not sure... solaris 10 likes ram... needs at least 256MB, but if you have the ram.. solaris would run faster on it...

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CCFL_Man2:

i got 512

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jamesd:

CCFL_Man2, you can give it try... but if your netra is working and doing its job.. probably not worth the effort to migrate.

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Frosty:

I'm trying to RTFM, but I simply can't start a recording :o I know this is simple but I just don't get it. Watching LiveTV, press M, choose guide, press enter to select currently watching channel/programme, shift recording option to "Record only this showing", go to "save these settings" press enter ... still shows "Not Recording"

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jamesd:

Frosty, just press r

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Frosty:

ok, yeah, but repeat steps for future programme

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CCFL_Man2:

when i got it, it had solaris 9 on it, i updated it's firmware then wiped it and put linux on it, over netboot, i actually never used it yet

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CCFL_Man2:

asterisk guys were telling me to use asterisk with linux

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CCFL_Man2:

netras are for COs, but what software do they run in a CO application environment?

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jamesd:

CCFL_Man2 i haven't used asterisk, and don't know how hard it would be to port... so perhaps linux is best.. and not sure the specs on the t1, if its the ones with the crappy ide controllers on it... probably best to keep linux on it.. my sun blade 150 with 650mhz and crappy ide controllers suck with solaris 10.

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CCFL_Man2:

i doubt they interface to any switch

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jamesd:

CCFL_Man2, lots of stuff... they controll switches.. track calls, do accounting, etc...

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CCFL_Man2:

oh, it's scsi, removeble hard drives for easy hardware replacement, and zaptel and asterisk is ported to solaris sparc

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CCFL_Man2:

oh really

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jamesd:

telecos don't use switches on boards.. they use switches that are seperate boxes that are controlled..

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CCFL_Man2:

i know class 5 switches are controlled by 25 or so specific consoles

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CCFL_Man2:

what you mean?

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jamesd:

what part?

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CCFL_Man2:

switches on boards, what do you mean by that?

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jamesd:

i mean most people that want to use a computer for phone switching want to plug in a card that does 4–8 phone lines... teleco stuff does 100's of lines and is controlled by servers...

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CCFL_Man2:

oh yeah, they want to do small scale pbx

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CCFL_Man2:

what servers control telco stuff?

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jamesd:

most likely anything that sun sells in the netra line.. they are usually controlled via scsi or fibre channel or serial ports...

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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CCFL_Man2:

i picked up a channel bank a few years ago

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jamesd:

i'm sure these days netras are also providing nameserver, time server, and proxy services in the centrall offices, since the more traffic they can keep off long distance high speed lines the better.

[01:52:14]

CCFL_Man2:

yeah, probably right

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CCFL_Man2:

then i got an old cisco mc3810, upgraded the bootrom, ios, added an extra T1, and added ram, i configured it so i can terminate voip lines to the fxs lines on the channel bank, i was going to interface asterisk with the channel bank

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jamesd:

i would like to get a cicso switch.. but they are expensive or limited to 10mbit usually... and i would like to get some of there phone hardware.. he have the cisco phones over ethernet at work...

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jamesd:

er s/he/we/

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Frosty:

So, is my "record via guide" broken or am I doing it wrong? :)

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CCFL_Man2:

oh, i got a 7912 ip phone for $66 on ebay, used it with vonage then switched to quantumvoice

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jamesd:

Frosty, i think its a bug.. its easier to enable recording with r, and fine tune with the menus.

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CCFL_Man2:

their sip firmware is limited

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CCFL_Man2:

nice phones though

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jamesd:

CCFL_Man2, yeah... too rich for my blood.. were mostly using cell phones these days... i only keep a landline because its only 3–5$ more a month over naked dsl.. and its nice to have a backup

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh, yeah

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CCFL_Man2:

i collect some old western electric phones too, and they work best on land lines

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strike:

can anyone tell me how to see what .fw file i'm using currently? i have an updated firmware and i can't seem to use the new one

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CCFL_Man2:

POTs

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jamesd:

strike, look in the firmwear directory.... /usr/lib/firmware or where ever it is in your distro

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CCFL_Man2:

all i need is an A51 candlestick and ringerbox and my collection is complete

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** jamesd doesn't know what an a51 candlestick is. **

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strike:

i checked there james but it doesn't matter if i put the new one there or not

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strike:

/lib/firmware for ubuntu

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CCFL_Man2:

a 1920s western electric candlestick phone with rotary dial and ringer box

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strike:

i have an identical install that doesnt even work without the .fw file in there but somehow this install is working without it

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jamesd:

strike, you have to replace the old version and reboot... dmesg should show it being loaded upon next reboot... though modunload/modprobe may be enough

[02:00:40]

strike:

could there be a copy or another directory?

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Frosty:

Regarding firmware, if dvb-usb is looking the x1.fw, but I find a more up to date firmware, can I just download the more up to date one and rename it to x1.fw?

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jamesd:

strike, yes quite possibly.... do a search for it find / -name

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jamesd:

*.fw

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strike:

my other pc shows cold state without the firmware and warm state with it, this one shows warm state with or without it

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CCFL_Man2:

Frosty: dvb-t?

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strike:

it is using a .fw from somewhere and i need to purge that one and use the one that works properly

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strike:

dvb

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strike:

yes i think dvb-t

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CCFL_Man2:

very few dvb-s users

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Frosty:

I have a Hauppauge Nova-T 500, using dvb-usb-dib0700–01.fw, but I also have dvb-usb-dib0700–1.10.fw

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Frosty:

I'd of liked to of used DVB-S but I was told BskyB encrypt even the free channels?

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strike:

how do i tell which .fw is being selected if my /lib/firmware is empty

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Frosty:

I have a million questions, but I'm fighting the urge :) browsing google for answers, or trying to :s

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CCFL_Man2:

Frosty: there are free channels nonetheless

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jamesd:

i love my kworld 115, can't get the remote to work... but its kept me off cable for another few years.. and 1 kworld 115 costs about what a month of cable costs.. and digital tv rocks

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strike:

should i remove everything in /lib/firmware/2.xx.x.x ?

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justinh:

Frosty: in the UK? most of Astra for the UK is free to air but some channels (channel 4's, channel 5) are FTV & need the evil Murdoch CAM (which you can't get for PCs)

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jamesd:

strike, move it out of the way... and see what effect it has.

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Frosty:

justinh, yeah some of them are free. I have an unsubscribed digibox, if I take the old card out I lose some of the channels

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Frosty:

eve though they should be free

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justinh:

Frosty: that's the difference between free to ait & free to _view_ :)

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justinh:

*air, even, not ait

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justinh:

FTA == unencrippled

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justinh:

FTV == encrippled

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Frosty:

its all about money I guess, everything boils down to that

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CCFL_Man2:

Frosty: you can get DW-TV for free

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justinh:

money & licensing deals (see above about money)

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justinh:

Deutsche Welle TV. WOW!

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Frosty:

sarcasm or truly amazed? :o

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justinh:

you can get a dozen or so evangelical channels FTA too

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justinh:

even more shopping channels as well

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justinh:

doesn't say they're worth watching in the slightest

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Frosty:

we only ever watch neighbours and random reality shows

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justinh:

so you'll need the FTV channels then. hard luck. Freeview wins :)

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Frosty:

cap vs villain car chases where even the helicopter 1 mile up can hear the sirens and tyre squeals .. sigh

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Frosty:

cap = cop

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: wow is right, they have so many specials and documentaries that give you a view on things you can never imagine

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justinh:

problem being, they're all in German?

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: no, DW radio english service and every other hour is english on DW-TV

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: thats the beauty of it all

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justinh:

hmmm

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justinh:

started picking up interesting shows on our Channel 4

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: it's worth it alone for the dish

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justinh:

watched a great one "our street" the other night

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Frosty:

So, if I'm recording LiveTV (by pressing R), I then restart the frontend, I can't carry on watching LiveTV? Not even the channel I'm recording?

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cesman:

why would you restart the frontend

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cesman:

and if you only have 1 tuner, no you cannot watch live tv again

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cesman:

as your tuner is in use recording

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jamesd:

Frosty, you should be able to see the recording in the watch recordings section

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justinh:

Frosty: in 0.21 if all tuners are in use you'll be presented with an option to watch something already being recorded

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justinh:

otherwise in 0.20.x just go to 'watch recordings' – you should see the in-progress recording there

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CCFL_Man2:

wow, all these fta adult channels on hotbird 8

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justinh:

don't need no adult channels right now, ta

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CCFL_Man2:

wonder why they're not encrypted

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CCFL_Man2:

arab live sex

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: ooh... nice... is that in svn too? ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: (ie: all tuners in use, prompt to watch an in-progress recording...)

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justinh:

aye

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justinh:

well, bedtime for me. Zzzzzzzz

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Frosty:

I'm using 0.20, I'm recording "The Office" from ITV2, I know its recording because the file is getting larger in the folder. I go to Media Library -> Watch Recordings -> The Office, and the only available feed is a 2m30s recording that is possibly just from buffered LiveTV made before

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EnderTheThird:

So I started a low-level format about 2 hours ago and the thing's still chuggin away

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CCFL_Man2:

Frosty: get a dvb-s card for DW-TV

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Frosty:

okay!

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CCFL_Man2:

hotbird 6

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CCFL_Man2:

dammit why are there so many unencrypted adult channels on hotbird?

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EnderTheThird:

the better question is why aren't there ANY unencrypted adult channels in the US?

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CCFL_Man2:

that i'm not sure about

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CCFL_Man2:

the web sites to these adult channels say to call an international number to get a password

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EnderTheThird:

ha

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EnderTheThird:

i really do wonder who the hell subscribes to those things

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CCFL_Man2:

they say to call number, get password, hang up

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CCFL_Man2:

must be toll

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cincyboy:

can't seem to run mythtv-setup. It can login to the database, althoguh if I at comand prompt do "mysql -u mythtv -p mythtv mythconverg" I get in just fine

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cincyboy:

can't*

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cesman:

cincyboy: then perhaps the issue is mysql.txt?

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cincyboy:

looks correct

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cincyboy:

localhost mythtv mythtv mythconverg QMYSQL3

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cincyboy:

those are the correct settings right?

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sphing:

try: mysql -u mythtv -p mythtv -h localhost mythconverg

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cincyboy:

yes, that works

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cincyboy:

although there isno space between -pmythtv

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cincyboy:

if there is a space between -p mythtv it does not

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cincyboy:

but that is what the man mage formysql says

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sphing:

right... no space

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cincyboy:

ok

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sphing:

what error does setup give?

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cincyboy:

just a bunch of cannot connects

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sphing:

instead of -h localhost

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm.... SVN backend claims "Client speaks protocol version 36 but we speak 40!" ... but "mythfrontend --version" displays protocol 40...

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psm321:

what table are record overrides stored in?

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sphing:

try -h ipaddress of the machine, maybe mysql doesn't have network turned on?

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cincyboy:

ok, I found QMYSQL3 driver not loaded

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cincyboy:

looks liek I'm still missing some qt package

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cincyboy:

looks like I am missing qt-MySQL

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cincyboy:

yup. fixed

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cincyboy:

thanks for the help

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J-e-f-f-A:

eh? The flash player is gone from mythweb? <looking at docs...>

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J-e-f-f-A:

^^ Ah, it's off by default... ;-)

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jeffery:

J-e-f-f-A, may I ask how do you turn on the flash player

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J-e-f-f-A:

Go into mythweb, and it's in the settings section...

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J-e-f-f-A:

jeffery: Assuming you're running the SVN version btw...

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J-e-f-f-A:

jeffery: Settings icon (key & wrench) – then [MythWeb] ... [Video Playback] tab.

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hadees:

has anyone been able to stream hdtv from a backend to a frontend over wireless? I have heard that 802.11n might be able to do it.

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jeffery:

ah nope not running svn

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hadees:

although to run 802.11N on linux now requires ndiswrapper

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psm321:

"program" is the tv guide table right? so if mine is corrupted i can just drop it and re-mythfilldatabase? (no idea how it got corrupted... havent had a system crash in a long time)

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cesman:

hadees: I'd suggest a browse of the mailing list archive

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cesman:

psm321: I'd suggest checking the entire db for errors

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J-e-f-f-A:

jeffery: Then you'll have to wait for the relase of 0.21 ... ;-)

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psm321:

yeah i'm doing that

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J-e-f-f-A:

... release even...

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psm321:

but mysqlcheck isnt even showing "program" anymore

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psm321:

i seem to vaguely recall this happening to me once before but dont remember the exact details of what happened or what i did

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mortal1:

hello, I was wondering if anyone here knew the command line option you need to give to mplayer so that it seemlessly handles broken video?

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hads:

Not really the right channel.

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mortal1:

right, I've asked in #mplayer, just wondering aloud here :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mortal1: "man mplayer" shows a flag called "-forceidx"... perhaps that will work?

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psm321:

cesman: yeah mysqlcheck just finished... shows everything "ok", but doesnt even list program

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** mortal1 nods **

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mortal1:

thanks I'll try it

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** J-e-f-f-A likes the ajax/javascript improvements to mythweb's listings... ;-) Thanks guys! **

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psm321:

is there any way to force mythbackend to do a reschedule w/o changing something?

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GreyFoxx:

mythbackend --resched

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psm321:

thanks

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HTPC-DVBS:

hey all

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HTPC-DVBS:

i tried to adjust video brightness

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HTPC-DVBS:

but won't adjust

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Jared5552:

are there any linux/mythtv compatible cablecard tuners?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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iamlindoro:

and never will be

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Jared5552:

standard not open for drivers to be made?

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iamlindoro:

more or less

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Jared5552:

wonderful way for companies to uh.... cause more discouragement for use of open source...

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HTPC-DVBS:

can u adjust picture brightness durning playback or live tv?

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iamlindoro:

depends entirely on the renderer used and the video driver... if it's not working, odd are your setup doesn't support it

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HTPC-DVBS:

nvidia

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iamlindoro:

In SVN, you may get better mileage out of the OpenGL renderer, but not necessarily

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k-man__:

how do you run mythfilldatabase for multiple sources?

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J-e-f-f-A:

k-man__: It should run for all the sources you've setup in mythtv-setup...

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k-man__:

J-e-f-f-A, i'm notsure what's going on but it seems as though data is not being grabbed for all my sources

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k-man__:

any ideas how i might track down whats going on?

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k-man__:

J-e-f-f-A, the channels have the correct xmltvid in the channels table

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k-man__:

and there is one channel for each source

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mzb:

k-man__: turn on the log option for mythfilldatabase

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k-man__:

mzb, ok

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k-man__:

mzb, how do i do that?

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mzb:

there's a section somewhere in setup that allows you to add options to mythfilldatabase

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k-man__:

mzb, i can't see a log option to mythfilldatabase

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k-man__:

which table stores program data in the database/

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mzb:

http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . e3b447cb7df5

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mzb:

make sure /var/log/mythtv is owned by (at least) the same group as the user running mythfilldatabase (eg. mythtv)

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mzb:

(distro|setup dependent)

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mzb:

ps: I found that with google.

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hads:

k-man__: program

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tjcarter:

Okay, what is the point of giving away the last 5 minute plot twist before te episode even airs? Can cable networks be THAT stupid?

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briand:

is that a rhetorical question?

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tjcarter:

It probably should be.

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cesman:

briand: must be talking about SG:A...

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tjcarter:

Yeah, I'm watching a week behind atm

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cesman:

I'm about 6 weeks back and I don't really care

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tjcarter:

Though it's not the first time SciFi channel has done something like that

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cesman:

SG:A has been very weak this season

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tjcarter:

Too many filler eps, I agree

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cesman:

Last night's episode didn't record and I don't really care....

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tjcarter:

I have it but am not watching it yet

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cesman:

guess I'll do some catching up myself...

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cesman:

I guess Law and Order...

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tjcarter:

Midway's a pretty good episode

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tjcarter:

I suggest watching it

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tjcarter:

skip the filler crap

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map7:

I've got a problem where my lircd is getting into a loop and running irexec multiple times to send IR Blaster commands out in a loop, has anyone experienced this?

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map7:

it seems irexec keeps dying and restarting

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acc_:

Hello, #MythTV. I'm in the process of setting up 0.20.2 on a Mac Mini. Since I don't have a TV capture/tuner card, do I need to set up a backend at all? I'm mostly interested in using various plugins (DVD, Video, Music, etc.) and not the TV tuner/capture stuff.

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hads:

acc_: You probably don't need a backend but the frontend will complain at times if it can't reach the backend. You should probably look into whether mythtv is the right tool for the purpose though.

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kreat0r:

i am looking into building an inexpensive miniitx mythtv htpc... does anyone have any advice on what hardware to choose?

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tjcarter:

acc: it sounds like you almost want AppleTV OS or FrontRow

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Ubongo:

does anyone know where I can find a Bell Expressvu 4100 lirc remotes conf file?

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stowaway:

has any1 here installed mythtv by source?

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acc_:

tjcarter: I'd sooner install Linux on the Mini, but I want to try getting MythTV to work on OSX first. ;-)

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stowaway:

has anyone made the mythhello proggie?

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mchou:

so what exactly is the current status of flickering/broken frames with pvr-x50 these days?

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mchou:

Is it sufficient to turn VBI off, or do we still need to record at full res?

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hadees:

whats the best way to export xvid files from recordings? and how about exporting hdtv

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mchou:

best is a subjective term

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hadees:

well what are the ways?

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hadees:

i was just going to use nuvexport but the ebuild on gentoo requires 20.2 and i am using .21

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hadees:

well svn

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

stop using gentoo would be helpful step #1

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hadees:

i prefer less bloat

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mchou:

yeah, that's why you're here complaining about using ebuilds

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mchou:

crying at the wrong place if you expect any sympathy

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hadees:

lol, i'm not complaining about using ebuilds

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hadees:

i just said there wasn't one

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mchou:

so?

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mchou:

how exactly is this any different?

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mchou:

ebuild is not a mythtv issue

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mchou:

nor a nuvexport issue, for that matter

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hadees:

i just wanted to know the ways you can export mythtv recordings

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mchou:

then look it up in nuvexport

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hadees:

according to the wiki i think mythtranscode can do it but i'm not really sure how

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mchou:

pretty much tells you all you need to know

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Freman:

hey, does mythtv set an error code when it crashes/exits properly?

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Freman:

IE: I have a front/backend and if they quit manually I want to shut down the box – if they crash it I want it to restart

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leprasmurf:

hello all. my frontend keeps freezing up, stating "The connection to the master backend server has gone away for some reason...Is it running?"

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leprasmurf:

this happens on a fairly regular basis. at first I thought it was because my drive was filling up a bit, and the hardware was starting to panic in some ways

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leprasmurf:

but now I'm looking in the mythtv log and see hundreds of entries like this: "2008-02–24 04:35:49.507 NVP::AddTextData(): Text buffer overflow"

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leprasmurf:

correction, a quick grep count shows 8881 lines like that

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leprasmurf:

would this cause my front-end to crash?

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JohnMahowald:

leprasmurf: If they're separate, how reliable is the network link?

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leprasmurf:

unfortunately they are not seperate

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leprasmurf:

they are the same machine

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kreat0r:

anyone on that can help me choose some specs on building at HTPC?

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directhex:

hd or sd?

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kreat0r:

hd

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hads:

Lots of CPU

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kreat0r:

CPU should be easy choice...

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kreat0r:

i need help chosing the chipset of the motherboard and stuff

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kreat0r:

and i want to use hdmi

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hads:

I like Intel but that's personal preference.

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kreat0r:

right now CPUs are pretty cheap

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kreat0r:

i could get a cpu for $100 new that could handle anything hd right now

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hads:

If you know then why are you asking? :)

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kreat0r:

sorry

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kreat0r:

is there hardware that seems to work best with MythTV?

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kreat0r:

like GPU wise...

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kreat0r:

what would you recommend?

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hads:

I prefer Nvidia

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hads:

But the Intel graphics are coming along well and are open.

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directhex:

kreat0r, hint: you underestimate the CPU requirements. unless you're a yank and have crappy low-res yank hd

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hads:

hehe

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kreat0r:

directhex: 720p is what ill be using

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directhex:

ah, pirate stuff

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kreat0r:

yup

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kreat0r:

x264

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directhex:

h264, so you still need a reasonable cpu

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kreat0r:

mainly

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hads:

Depends on codecs too.

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kreat0r:

i figure i can get a amd for $100

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kreat0r:

and overclock it

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directhex:

you're the boss

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gammelmark:

I have a Hauppauge 350 IR receiver and a Logitech Harmony remote. What is the easiest way of mapping harmony commands to lirc/myth? I guess I can just "make up" buttons somehow, as both the harmony and the ir receiver works with every IR command? there should be no reason to find the old 350 remote and be limited to the buttons it has right?

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kreat0r:

if worse comes worse that is

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kreat0r:

newegg doesn't seem to have very many htpc cases... are there any other sites that would have some to choose from?

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directhex:

i don't pay attention to yank retailers

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hads:

No idea here either

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directhex:

and single machines are such a windowsy concept ;)

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hads:

bed

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gammelmark:

if I have both QT3 and QT4 installed, how do I convince myth svn to build against QT3?

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directhex:

Feb 20 08:30:56 <califdreas> maybe someone can let that ppor guy Solv know that he needs to export export QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 and export PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$PATH to successfully compile mythtv on opensuse 10.3

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directhex:

adapt the above, presumably

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kreat0r:

some of the new nvidia cards have hdmi that support audio/video, do the linux drivers support the audio too?

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directhex:

good question. i was under the impression that most nvidia cards with hdmi audio worked by having an sp/dif in, then just passing it through

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kreat0r:

well my TV only supports RCA cables for audio

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kreat0r:

so i'd prefer going HDMI

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joobie:

hey guys

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joobie:

mplayer seems to use a bit of cpu on playback – sometimes jerking the image

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joobie:

is vlc a more efficient option?

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joobie:

wondering what options i have to improve this, without upgrading hardware / degrading quality

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kreat0r:

overclock maybe

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jduggan_:

/j mplayer ?

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directhex:

joobie, almost all linux players share chunks of common code

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jduggan_:

have you tried updating, could be a bug?

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directhex:

joobie, you might want to be more specific about what you're trying to play

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** directhex may stab someone if it's h264 hd **

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joobie:

hey thanks for the help guys – wasnt expecting to many responses:P

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joobie:

i have a small clip i recorded earlier

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directhex:

what's the cpu?

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joobie:

whenever the screen moves quick.. it's basically a couple dancing

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joobie:

so when they move quick.. it blurs a bit

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joobie:

when they move slow it's fine

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joobie:

1.66GHz Core 2 Duo

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joobie:

my src is fully updated as far as my yum repo is telling me

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joobie:

btw im using the opengl driver for playback in mplayer

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directhex:

hang on, i think i know this one

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directhex:

compiz?

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joobie:

ya

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joobie:

:)

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directhex:

use metacity

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joobie:

it is

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joobie:

how do i do this directhex?

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joobie:

i use centos

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directhex:

metacity --replace

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joobie:

ok i just kicked off another yum update

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joobie:

give me a min or two – ill run it after this

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joobie:

directhex, i get a couple error when i do this

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joobie:

"Window manager warning: Failed to read theme from file /usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml: Failed to open file '/usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/metacity-1/metacity-theme-1.xml': No suck file or directory"

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sulan:

joobie: there's a difference between a warning and an error ;)

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kreat0r:

so how aremost of you using audio from your mythtv box to your TV?

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kreat0r:

spdif?

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sulan:

kreat0r: 3.5mm -> RCA ;)

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kreat0r:

sulan: seriously?

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sulan:

yep.

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kreat0r:

no loss in quality?

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directhex:

joobie, that's a warning, not an error

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sulan:

significant loss in quality, but then my built-in TV-speakers aren't that good either

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kreat0r:

hahaha

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kreat0r:

god damn it

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kreat0r:

why is it always something with linux

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kreat0r:

there is always some damn incompatibility haha

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joobie:

ya sorry

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joobie:

running through it now

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directhex:

i use sp/dif into my av receiver

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joobie:

it looks liek it's changed

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joobie:

Cheers.. checking it out

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kreat0r:

directhex: i'd prefer to do that, but i have no receiver

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joobie:

i've lost the titlebars for the iwndows tho

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joobie:

like cant close a window

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joobie:

:P

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directhex:

joobie, no titlebars suggests metacity isn't running

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joobie:

oh

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directhex:

metacity is the standard non-3d-accelerated window manager for gnome. for whatever reason, videos tend to tear when using nvidia and compiz, but are fine with nvidia and metacity

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joobie:

i see

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joobie:

im using KDE btw

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directhex:

oh lord, you never said that

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joobie:

i think KDE is the default for CentOS

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joobie:

sec how can i confirm this

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joobie:

?

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directhex:

you want kwin, not metacity

[11:28:57]

joobie:

how can i confirm im using KDE / Gnome?

[11:29:10]

directhex:

do you have a big K icon in the corner? :p

[11:29:10]

joobie:

i installed this box about 3months back and sorta let it sit on the sideline

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joobie:

so not freesh in my mind

[11:29:17]

joobie:

no

[11:29:22]

joobie:

i have the centos logo

[11:29:47]

joobie:

i have a lot of K* apps

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joobie:

like KPDF

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directhex:

then it's probably kde

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Freman:

ratpoison myself :)

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joobie:

hehe

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joobie:

ok

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kreat0r:

i know this is the wrong channel to say this, but i am considering just running XP on this HTPC machine

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joobie:

ok kwin brings up the titlebar

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Freman:

sounds like the easy way out :)

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joobie:

hehe

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kreat0r:

Freman: i'll get h264 hardware acceleration, audio from HDMI out

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Freman:

huh?

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Freman:

oh

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directhex:

kreat0r, by the sounds of it, all you want is a pretty menu to pirate video files anyway. mythtv isn't well suited to that use case

[11:32:45]

Freman:

hence... mythtv

[11:32:51]

Freman:

not mythpiracy

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kreat0r:

what does h264 hardware acceleration and audio over hdmi have to do with piracy?

[11:33:37]

directhex:

where is your h264 media coming from?

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kreat0r:

usenet

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directhex:

there's your answer

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kreat0r:

:)

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kreat0r:

so mythtv is just designed more for people with TV tuner cards i am taking it

[11:34:18]

kreat0r:

and low bitrate audio

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directhex:

i use spdif fine

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kreat0r:

spdif is even low for some of these new standards

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directhex:

you're talking about a specific issue with nvidia's driver, and blaming mythtv for it

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directhex:

which makes you look stupid

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kreat0r:

i really don't mean to blame mythtv for it

[11:35:14]

kreat0r:

if i came across that way, i promise you i didn't mean to

[11:35:25]

kreat0r:

you look stupid for being a douchebag over IRC though

[11:35:36]

kreat0r:

but i admit its a mistake to bring win* up on freenode

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joobie:

hmm

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joobie:

ok weird

[11:36:26]

joobie:

i have kwin runnin

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directhex:

not at all, though off-topic for this channel

[11:36:45]

directhex:

joobie, and any change with video playback?

[11:36:49]

joobie:

when i playback with mplayer x11 driver, the frames sorta jump a bit.. when i play with opengl driver, it blurs a bit on fast moving objects

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joobie:

it doesnt blur on x11

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joobie:

but jumps a bit

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joobie:

like flicks in the screen

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joobie:

but it's not as crisp either with x11 driver

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directhex:

try "xv"

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joobie:

gl driver is crisp as.. just a bit jumpy on the fast moving objects

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joobie:

kv driver comes up with a blue screen for me.. and i get these badalloc errors

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joobie:

i get "X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resource for operation)" when i use xv driver

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joobie:

display goes blue...

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directhex:

nvidia driver version?

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joobie:

directhex how do i find this out?

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directhex:

with centos? no idea

[11:40:51]

joobie:

v5

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joobie:

im using the intel driver i think

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directhex:

you're using intel graphics?

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joobie:

i think the driver xorg detected and used was intel

[11:42:01]

joobie:

it's a macmini

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joobie:

i dont think it's an nvidia

[11:42:50]

joobie:

unless intel have used it......

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directhex:

no, it's intel

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directhex:

i'm having yet another education on getting details up front

[11:44:27]

joobie:

ahh sry

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joobie:

gl driver comes up so crisp

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directhex:

try "xvinfo" and "glxinfo" in a terminal, pastebin the output

[11:46:26]

joobie:

just the blur

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joobie:

glxinfo errors

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joobie:

sec ill try it again

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joobie:

ok i lie – it worked

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joobie:

sec

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joobie:

directhex, http://www.pastebin.ca/916160

[11:49:07]

JohnQ:

By any chance do any of you use an M2NPV-VM with a DVI->HDMI plug? For me it works great in X, but text modes are clipped (even the bios post screens). Anyone have a similar story? Perhaps one that ends with a fix? :-)

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joobie:

directhex, i just downloaded the recorded mpg to my laptop to check if it plays blured on that – it was fine

[11:55:46]

joobie:

so it's just the playback causing it.. recording is fine

[11:56:22]

directhex:

joobie, i see no obvious reason for xv not to work

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directhex:

joobie, during playback, how does your cpu consumption look?

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joobie:

directhex, ill check sec.. just with top yea?

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directhex:

i prefer something with a histogram, like gnome-system-monitor

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joobie:

hmm directhex, im getting a werid response after doing yum update

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joobie:

it had some myth-tv updates.. now when i go to watch tv it says

[12:01:38]

joobie:

"MythTV is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected. If you want to watch an in-progress recording, select one from the playback menu. If you want to watch live TV, cancle one of the in-progress recordings from the delete menu."

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joobie:

i go to "delete recordings" and there's nothing in there"

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directhex:

try restarting your backend

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joobie:

i did

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joobie:

and restarted frontend

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directhex:

then yum update broke it. hooray for yum

[12:02:45]

joobie:

bugger

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directhex:

time to hit mythtv-setup and look for issues

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joobie:

ahh

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joobie:

there we go

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joobie:

"no valid capture cards are defined in the database"

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joobie:

according to logfile

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justinh:

I predict a riot, I predict a riot! http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/318462

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justinh:

s/riot/flamewar

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Daviey:

Subject: RANT: MythTV has a *horrible* end user experience.

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Daviey:

is it really worth reading it? :)

[12:12:59]

justinh:

all valid points bar one IMHO – the bit about the player for videos & recordings having different keymaps (duh)

[12:13:19]

Daviey:

erm every point is wrong

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justinh:

well, valid in the sense that he's somebody who's never contributed a line of code, a wiki article or indeed anything else

[12:14:15]

directhex:

Daviey, every point?

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Daviey:

"New video content needs to be automatically detected. Having to go to"

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Daviey:

"video manager" to scan for new content...

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joobie:

hmm

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joobie:

directhex, my device is not coming up at all now.. troubleshooting why atm

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Daviey:

okay not every point..

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justinh:

though if he thinks the UI is that bad he should take a look at the 'best' standalone PVR in the UK

[12:15:33]

justinh:

anyway, he's gonna get ragged! :D

[12:15:52]

Daviey:

i thing ppl should just ignore it

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justinh:

Daviey: they won't though, and then the community will really show us what's wrong with mythtv ;)

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Daviey:

:X

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justinh:

there's been massive vitriol directed at lesser flame-bait

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directhex:

he IS right on some points, though

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justinh:

anyway isn't saying "I love mythtv but.. " a bit like "I'm not racist/homophobic/misogynistic but.." ? ;)

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directhex:

and yes, submit patches, blah blah blah

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directhex:

submit massive game-changing patches so they can fester in trac without ever being used

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joobie:

directhex damn..kernel update has broken my driver for the capture card..

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justinh:

directhex: I'm sitting on the fence w.r.t. contributions from now on. I was always wrong before. *always* *wrong*

[12:19:51]

Daviey:

"clutter" looks quite interesting for making mythtv UI sexy

[12:20:27]

Daviey:

but it's not Qt :D

[12:20:34]

Daviey:

(which is a good thing IMO)

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directhex:

damn ubunuts and their gtk

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mzb_d800:

I applause his aim

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directhex:

applaud

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mzb_d800:

yes

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mzb_d800:

whatever

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justinh:

not the first time, not the last. nothing will change

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justinh:

resistance is futile. don't bother

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mzb_d800:

hopefully it will encourage some (constructive) discussion

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justinh:

call me negative, it won't

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maki_d:

when i put the cable in tv card (and the tv card is on ) i have bad picture (with static) in the tv in the other room, but when the cable is connected to the tv i see crystal picture in the tv in the other room. Does that mean that my card is broken or ... ?

[12:25:08]

Daviey:

i think we should find where he lives and rough him up a bit

[12:25:09]

mzb_d800:

rather than crap often seen in here when people make suggestions or ask "why can't it be done *this* way?"

[12:25:16]

justinh:

IIRC, some of the points in there would've been nicely dropped into a hat by the google SoC, but what happened to that?

[12:26:51]

** Daviey larts SoC **

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justinh:

mzb_d800: might be easier altogether to write a new frontend than rewrite code. not the first time it's been suggested either. I potter around with code but the changes I'd really like to see are way beyond what I can do so I accept they won't happen until somebody else does them. Everybody has their own agenda

[12:30:04]

mzb_d800:

so much for a "team" of developers, huh?

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mzb_d800:

s/contributors

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justinh:

give em their dues. I don't want to work on stuff that doesn't interest me & nobody should be forced to

[12:30:41]

mzb_d800:

totally

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mzb_d800:

so don't!

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justinh:

if that means ignoring feature requests? catch-22

[12:31:19]

mzb_d800:

but don't knock the opinions of those who _do_ wish for better

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mzb_d800:

it's not like *you* are the sole person who decides the merit of suggestions

[12:32:01]

mzb_d800:

and as you (all) have already said ... you don't contribute at that level

[12:32:03]

justinh:

it's not like I get to decide anything in any real terms

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mzb_d800:

so leave the guy alone .... let him have his say ... hopefully it will help mythtv

[12:32:47]

justinh:

it won't buck the precident

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mzb_d800:

directhex: you don't correct Poms or what?

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directhex:

hm? i'm busy

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mzb_d800:

;P

[12:33:58]

justinh:

yelling is not a contribution :P

[12:34:42]

mzb_d800:

depends whose ear it's directed at ;)

[12:35:29]

joobie:

directhex, still around?

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justinh:

I'm a bit concerned though – that windows porting stuff seems to have more people working on it than anybody working on improvements. but hey what can you do?

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joobie:

ahh.. directhex, was gona say i just got the capture card workin again.. i had to recompile the driver against the new kernel versin

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justinh:

maybe I'm wrong & it'll bring more contributors to the party & it'll benefit everybody. I hope so. I've tried a standalone pvr recently & I can't see me dumping mythtv any time soon

[12:39:32]

joobie:

directhex, cpu hits 99% when the mpeg is being played

[12:39:35]

joobie:

.. but isnt that normal?

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justinh:

even ignoring the extra features over & above TV functionality mythtv has, the 'best' standalone pvr in the UK sucks donkeys by comparison. that speaks volumes I think

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directhex:

joobie, on core2? absolutely not

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joobie:

that is according to top btw

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joobie:

im in kde so dont have that gnome tool

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joobie:

directhex.. so u think my processor is not good enuf?

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joobie:

ahh

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joobie:

i see using the xv driver, it hits 55% cpu

[12:42:21]

joobie:

but the screen is blue..

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joobie:

using the gl driver it hits 100%

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joobie:

x11 driver hits 78% .. bt the picture is not as clear as it is in using the GL driver ....

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GlemSom:

I've recorded two movies last night. But for some reason mythtv thinks there's commercials in the middle of the movies – and it then skips ahead. Since the commercials is alreaddy marked in the movie – how do I make it NOT skip ahead?

[12:45:27]

mzb_d800:

turn auto-skip off in options

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justinh:

one of the inherent problems in an application the age mythtv is, is that something is often coded a particular way & then loads of things are build around & on top of that. To change a fundamental thing takes a _lot_ of work. The issue of how myth deals with keypresses is a smashing example ;)

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justinh:

GlemSom: you can disable auto-skipping on a per-recording basis from the OSD menu, or by assigning the recordings to a playback group & changing the settings there, or you can disable auto-skipping globally in tv playback settings. Take your pick

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mzb_d800:

still no reason to discourage constructive criticism

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blackest:

did that macedonia guy get his pvr150 sorted ?

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blackest:

he was doin my head in after a while

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GlemSom:

justinh, Ok, thanks! :D

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directhex:

[12:24] <maki_d> when i put the cable in tv card (and the tv card is on ) i have bad picture (with static) in the tv in the other room, but when the cable is connected to the tv i see crystal picture in the tv in the other room. Does that mean that my card is broken or ... ?

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directhex:

so no

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blackest:

that sounds like something i read where the version of the iptv firmware was wrong

[12:55:25]

blackest:

anyway he was runnin archlinux and i know d.. all about that

[12:56:18]

joobie:

guys where in myth can i change the cmd used for "Internal"

[12:56:20]

blackest:

trying to get my new eee sorted now I'll let you know if it can support a front end ok :)

[12:56:26]

joobie:

i want to amend the mplayer cmd..

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justinh:

blackest: doing YOUR head in? christ

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justinh:

mzb_d800: he's still gonna get shredded on the list. just wait & see

[12:59:20]

mzb_d800:

I'll bet ... no need to encourage it

[13:00:36]

mzb_d800:

I guess I'd better keep an eye on the list ;)

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joobie:

guys

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mzb_d800:

(not just for entertainment;p)

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joobie:

how to change the command that is used when u do 'watch tv'

[13:00:59]

joobie:

i want to alter some flags

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justinh:

never know some good might come out of it, I'm just not that optimistic

[13:02:43]

justinh:

the question of the setup menus is going to be interesting when the time comes to put them in mythui. other than shaving features off I've not been able to think of a decent way of redoing them

[13:02:55]

justinh:

nor has anybody else, to date IMHO

[13:03:31]

mzb_d800:

first 4 responses seem fair

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justinh:

yeah. wait for the usual suspects...

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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justinh:

I don't think even 'real' devs would argue about the setup screens though

[13:05:39]

mzb_d800:

more (pommy?) negativity? ;P)))

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directhex:

joobie, no "command" is run

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directhex:

justinh, force a partial wizard – i.e. only allow someone to do step 4 after they've done step 3

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mzb_d800:

yeah, the whole setup is a bit awkward ... I guess a shake-up in structure (ie. a bit of a rethink) might help

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justinh:

a bit? bloody hell man sugar the pill

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mzb_d800:

:)

[13:08:39]

directhex:

it's a big heap o' shite. better?

[13:08:46]

mzb_d800:

lol

[13:08:58]

mzb_d800:

somewhere in the middle?

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runoff:

mythtv and other (mplayer) video goes coarse and mostly green, have to reboot and video is back ok, problem? solution? alternative to re-boot? thanks for any help

[13:09:22]

mzb_d800:

I can see it was probably great before so many features crept in

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justinh:

reserve judgment on hiding options though. doesn't work in some cases. I wouldn't mind taking a hit on the number of functions

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directhex:

runoff, update nvidia driver

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justinh:

if it's a wednesday and I'm playing back my recordings after 7pm, timestretch this amount... yada

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justinh:

playback groups are kinda cool but they're not really needed IMHO

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mzb_d800:

"user experience level" like the parental level?

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justinh:

the parental level which only applies to one thing? ;)

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justinh:

wonder if that pro UI designer is ever gonna call back

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runoff:

will do

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joobie:

directhex .. it looks like it's loading the xv driver, which is that blue screen i get when using mplayer

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joobie:

i want to change it to use teh x11 driver instead.....

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directhex:

joobie, you can't

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joobie:

eh

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justinh:

might reply to the ML thread myself & suggest he's never tried Showshifter. sheesh :)

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mzb_d800:

no I mean, for eg. I might be a level 9 user, but "the woman" (s/my) would be level 4

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mzb_d800:

and different options visible accordingly

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mzb_d800:

perhaps?

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joobie:

i can play the mpeg it records with media player if i use the x11 driver from CLI.. if i use the XV driver it goes blue screen.. like watch tv does in myth.. is there anyway around this at all? or do i have to fix this xv driver issue.......

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directhex:

joobie, try exporting the environment variable NO_XV=1

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justinh:

I think that was the way the SoC student was headed

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directhex:

joobie, but you REALLY need to fix xv

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justinh:

without actually writing any code, I mean ;)

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directhex:

i hope they didn't get paid

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mzb_d800:

aaargghh! I can't take it ... The Medallion is ...

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mzb_d800:

I give up

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joobie:

directhex, what is XV using?.. X11 uses xorg driver.. gl uses opengl

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directhex:

joobie, overlay

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directhex:

joobie, color conversion and scaling done in GPU hardware

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joobie:

that export didnt work

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joobie:

directhex, any idea how to fix this xv issue? i have nfi

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directhex:

joobie, no. xv just works for me on my only intel-based kit

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joobie:

directhex, from what i take from your comments – i need gpu memory for xv.. the error i get back is "X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)"

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joobie:

that to me sounds like i need more video ram?

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directhex:

could be

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directhex:

try swapping the "i810" driver for the "intel" driver

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joobie:

all the googling ive done suggests to use an alternate driver – which works – but if myth doesn't like that.. then im doomed

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joobie:

it's using the intel one atm

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joobie:

hey directhex

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joobie:

i fixed it

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joobie:

do 'man intel' and check out the LinearAlloc option

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joobie:

this forced allocation of memory on the gpu

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joobie:

video is playing now

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joobie:

looks smooth as:P

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joobie:

just a bit out of wak.. it's like it's not widescreen 16:9

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joobie:

any idea how to make it do that?

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joobie:

damn im wrapped!!!!!

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joobie:

guys

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joobie:

what's a decent way to hook up audio to the TV?

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joobie:

i have a headfone out jack on my mediacenter.. i hook that up to an RCA splitter to give me a left and right channel

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joobie:

but the quality of the audio is crap compared to if i plug the antenna direct into the TV and play it through the TV

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directhex:

what resolution are you running your frontend at? if you're running a 4:3 resolution, then it won't look widescreen properlu

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directhex:

you can force screen aspect somewhere in the frontend settings, if you really want to use non-square pixels

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maki_:

yes

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maki_:

I MADE IT

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maki_:

it works

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maki_:

modprobe ivtv ivtv_std=2 was the solution

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joobie:

thanks directhex

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joobie:

i think the aspect is ok

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joobie:

maybe it was just one video playing

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joobie:

i gotta sleep

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joobie:

thanks for all your help directhex

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directhex:

if you're playing video files, by default on older myth versions, mplayer is used

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directhex:

mplayer sometimes needs you to force the -monitoraspect 16:9

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directhex:

or switch to the internal player

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joobie:

ahh

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joobie:

the aspect is ok directhex

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joobie:

i think it was just one broadcast

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joobie:

directhex, do you know much about audio quickly?

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joobie:

the quality just doesnt sound great

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directhex:

i use digital

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joobie:

ahh

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joobie:

i have a symbol that looks like

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joobie:

>O<

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joobie:

something like that?

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joobie:

is that digital?

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directhex:

no idea

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gammelmark:

i have upgraded my kernel to 2.6.24, and trying to compile IVTV 1.0.3-r1. However it fails with the message "This only works on 2.6.22 and greater kernels". That does not make sense to me since 24>22

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gammelmark:

what should I do?

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jamesd:

gammelmark, contact the author... see if you are uing the latest versions...

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jamesd:

er using

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gammelmark:

hmm ok

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neb_:

hey there, i was wondering if anyone might have an idea why, when i go to watch a recording it says it can't find the file

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neb_:

it seems to be totally random, sometimes a recording is fine, and others its broken

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** Golffies Hi Hoxzer. **

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justinh:

intrepid ibex? they have got to be effing kidding

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ma9mwah:

quick question, when i compile trunk it compiles against the processor type i've got. what does the precompiled version do? and do the processor specific compiles make any difference

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joyzlin:

hi guys, could someone please guide me through the Manual Schedule? I can't store the schedule for some reason – the "Save" is greyed out and only Cancel is available...

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joyzlin:

ah, never mind, I have just sorted it out

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justinh:

save is greyed out until you change something :)

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a1fa:

aww

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a1fa:

sup knobs

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justinh:

charming

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directhex:

justinh, you haven't gotten used to him by now?

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justinh:

don't think I've ever 'gotten' anything, since I'm a UK'er :P

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directhex:

if bbc.co.uk uses it, it's british!

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directhex:

anyway, gotten is archaic british english, which is still used in american english

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directhex:

it IS british english, simply not often used anymore

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justinh:

and now seen as one of those 'Americanizms' (sic). Gets my back up

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directhex:

on occasion the yanks are right

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directhex:

e.g. aluminium isn't correct

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justinh:

pah & tish

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neb_:

yeah, but things like 'color' is just wrong

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justinh:

I still remember the day I noticed mythtv had British translations :D

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directhex:

i use "color", having spent many a year with qbasic

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neb_:

don't suppose anyone has any suggestions regarding the 'missing' recordings?

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joyzlin:

hi, please can you advise how to reset/clear the music metadata in Myth so I can Import the mp3 from scratch? I have edited a lot of files using the EasyTag and now I need to re-import everything...

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joyzlin:

there are about 13 music* tables in the mythconverg db...

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jams:

move the files to another dir,rescan,move back,scan again.

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joyzlin:

yes

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joyzlin:

I have just realized that as well

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joyzlin:

thanks jams

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justinh:

neb_: missing usually means they weren't recorded for some reason – as do missing files

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justinh:

look in the backend log

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justinh:

usually in /var/log/ somewhere

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neb_:

or well, yeah

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neb_:

2008-02–24 16:45:00.419 Finished recording The Simpsons "The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show": channel 1004

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neb_:

so i go to check if the recording is actually there on the hard drive, and its not

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neb_:

i delete the recording, and it barfs in the logs as it can't remove a file that doesn't exist – nothing else appart from that

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Jared5552:

[14:54] <Jared5552> are there any stand alone dvr systems that work with the computer/mythtv?

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Jared5552:

[14:54] <Jared5552> (ex: since the accesscard junk isn't supported)

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iamlindoro_:

Mythtv *is* a standalone DVR system... so I presume you mean third-party myth-compatible boxes or something like that. In which case, no. We build our own.

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Jared5552:

iamlindoro_, yeah I know, but mythtv doesn't support all sources unless you use the IR transmitters and all that fun junk

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iamlindoro_:

That's a vast (and inaccurate) oversimplification

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Jared5552:

I should say linux doesn't have support for all types of hardware inputs without using external tuner sources (like satellite/cable boxes), legally that is

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Jared5552:

or so I have been told by a couple people here and also in other places

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iamlindoro_:

That is correct

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Jared5552:

basically I want to be able to use pay digital cable without having to have a cable box for every tuner card

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** directhex certifies iamlindoro for use with CableCard(tm)(r) **

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Jared5552:

or paying for a bunch of TIVO subscriptions lol

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iamlindoro_:

Jared5552: Well, depending on where you are, who your cable co is, etc., there is always the chance you can just dump MPEG-2 streams via firewire, and a few places get all their channels in the clear via QAM. That is, of course, the exception rather than the rule

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iamlindoro_:

and failing that, you can wait on the Hauppauge HD PVR and capture HD via component. That will end up being a pretty nice solution in the near future

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iamlindoro_:

That said, both of those solutions *do* require a STB/tuner of some sort from your provider

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Jared5552:

well don't I just have to find any cable box that supports both cablecard and mpeg-2 via firewire?

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iamlindoro_:

Jared5552: No

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iamlindoro_:

Your cable headend sets policies on all the boxes on its cable network

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iamlindoro_:

for example, a DCH-3200 is cablecard and firewire compatible, and I get everything via firewire... but on the next headend, I almost certainly wouldn't.

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Jared5552:

oh, so basically the firewire thing can be enabled/disabled by the company

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iamlindoro_:

It's somewhat similar to Active Directory Group Policies, if you know anything about that

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iamlindoro_:

Jared5552: yep

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Jared5552:

is it cable company specific or cable company + city specific?

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iamlindoro_:

and even within a single company, it will be entirely different per headend... the guy on the next block might get more or less on firewire than you do, or both of you might get nothing at all

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iamlindoro_:

it's more granular than either of those, it's *headend* specific

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iamlindoro_:

Like I said, your neighbor could be on a different headend and you would have, potentially, entirely different policies on your boxes

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Jared5552:

not going to do it but can people bypass that?

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iamlindoro_:

nope

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Jared5552:

what I figured heh

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iamlindoro_:

ergo the Hauppauge HD PVR and capturing from the component outs

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Jared5552:

s an FYI, as of April 1, 2004, all cable operators MUST supply the subscriber with an STB that has a firewire output at the subscribers REQUEST (no additional cost to you). <<< that even close to valid?

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directhex:

legally. when did corps in yankland ever obey the law?

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iamlindoro_:

Jared5552: That's the FCC regulation, and it states that they must provide a box with firewire outs, and they must open local broadcast channels via firewire

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iamlindoro_:

but only local broadcast, and many many cable co's simply disregard the requirement that the firewire be active

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iamlindoro_:

getting local broadcast via firewire is a minor miracle, and getting everything is a major one. Many people get their network TV via firewire, and a small number get everything. It's a crap shoot.

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Jared5552:

so what do most cable companies do if they say no and you direct them to the FCC info? lol

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iamlindoro_:

That's not how it works

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iamlindoro_:

first off, most of them will give you a box with firewire

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defaultro:

hey folks, I have a stupid question. What does "ditto" mean when someones replies to a post on forum thread?

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iamlindoro_:

it's just that plenty of them will give you a box with inactive firewire, and then run you through the whole gamut of their support, blah blah, running you in circles when you complain

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iamlindoro_:

defaultro: "same"

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

so he means, he also like to know about it?

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Guyfromhe:

probably

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iamlindoro_:

Jared5552: And even then there's a difference between a law and a regulation-- it's an FCC regulation, not a law... all they are doing is making themselves open to complaint and (hahah) suspension of their license

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defaultro:

same question as the other earlier guys postede

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defaultro:

posted

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defaultro:

cool

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defaultro:

thanks guys. That helps a lot

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iamlindoro_:

Jared5552: The very best you could hope for if you wanted to fight the firewire battle is to take them to court in a class action to try to get them to change their ways... but that takes time and money.

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defaultro:

Glad NBC showed Knight Rider last night and still in HD

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defaultro:

I missed the Premier :)

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defaultro:

My friends were telling me that Amsterdam is nice. Premier is on March

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mchou:

so what's the current status regarding ivtv flickering/broken frames? does one still need to capture "full rez", or disabling VBI is enough?

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justinh:

mchou: I found the default capture res looked horrible so I upped it to the maximum anyway. AFAIK input scaling hasn't been what it could be in ivtv for some time now

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kreat0r:

anyone here ebay alot?

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mzb:

*cough*

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mzb:

why?

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WattoDaTo:

Hey all, I just compiled/installed the latest mythtv/plugins trunks and I need some help with mythweather... Is it workable yet?

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mrpockets:

so I'm going absoultly nuts with Myth TV.

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mrpockets:

been trying to install and configure it for a good 3 months now. Once i do i'll be totaly windows independant.

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mrpockets:

but all the how twos are confisung as hell

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neb_:

3 months :s

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neb_:

what are you struggling on?

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mrpockets:

well ive installed it with apt-get install

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neb_:

are you using ubuntu?

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mrpockets:

yes

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neb_:

k

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mrpockets:

and i go into System > Admin > MythTV Backend Settup, and i get the Database Configuration screen

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mrpockets:

so first off, no idea what to put in the Hostname, Databse, User, and Password fields

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neb_:

they should already be pre-filled

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neb_:

you shouldn't have to change it

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mrpockets:

hostname is localhost

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mrpockets:

user mythtv password mythtv ?

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neb_:

the ubuntu mythtv package will arrange for a mysql installation and the necessary user permissions to access that database.

[23:02:03]

neb_:

it will also configure mythtv with the correct values to use that database

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mrpockets:

splendied

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mrpockets:

alright. so i hit next and next and finish ect...

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mrpockets:

go into Apps. Sound and Video, click on MythTV Frontend

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mrpockets:

and it brings me to the same screen o-O

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** neb_ nods **

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neb_:

but you need to set up the tv card and the input source

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** neb_ looks for a link to help with that **

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neb_:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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neb_:

read down from "MythTV setup"

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mrpockets:

you're a god man..

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neb_:

the frontend doesn't understand what to play until you configure the tuner

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mrpockets:

maybe i missed a step when installing it then.

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directhex:

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10005&page=7 </pimpage>

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mrpockets:

i ran mythtv-setup and i get the same configuration screen

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mrpockets:

terminal says Restarting MythTV server: mythbackend No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.

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neb_:

eurgh, hexus

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neb_:

:p

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mrpockets:

hey neb_ . Im reading that link you sent me from the top

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mrpockets:

and its saying to install Myth TV from the CD..

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mrpockets:

should i have done that instead of apt-get ?

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mrpockets:

SONUVABITCH!

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neb_:

mrpockets: no, what you have is fine

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neb_:

if you install it from apt-get – it's pretty much the same thing

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mrpockets:

mhmm

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mrpockets:

well no matter what i seem to do

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mrpockets:

it brings me to the Database configuration page.

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neb_:

well

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neb_:

do you have ssh access to the machine?

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mzb:

got mysql installed? ;)

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mzb:

(and running)

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neb_:

one would hope the package sorts that

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neb_:

heh

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mzb:

you would *think* so

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neb_:

not a believer then? :)

[23:21:12]

mzb:

but making assumptions at this point might cost you hours

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mzb:

no

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mzb:

I trust the evidence

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mzb:

(s/hours/3 months!)

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mrpockets:

I'm pretty sure

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mrpockets:

how can i check for certain?

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directhex:

dpkg -l mysql-server\* | grep ^ii

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directhex:

the mythtv-backend-master and mythtv metapackages in ubuntu pull in mysql (though possibly only newer versions than you're using)

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mrpockets:

http://pastebin.com/d21892fe8

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directhex:

okay. is mythtv-database installed?

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mrpockets:

not sure

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mrpockets:

apt-get ?

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mrpockets:

when i run the backend settup it askes if i wanna run the database

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directhex:

know what? just install "mythtv-master-backend"

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directhex:

after that, we'll check on your mysql setup

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mrpockets:

couldn't find package?

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directhex:

bleh

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directhex:

what does "dpkg -l mythtv-server" say?

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mrpockets:

no packages found matching mythth-server

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directhex:

check your spelling

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mrpockets:

i pasted everything right in

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mrpockets:

gyah this is driving me nuts. Its 5:30 and I haven't taken a shower yet.

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mrpockets:

I'm going to reboot this thing, and hopfully itll run decently, and ill be back later on

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mrpockets:

but thank you guys a lot for the help

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directhex:

<directhex> what does "dpkg -l mythtv-server" say?

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directhex:

<mrpockets> no packages found matching mythth-server

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directhex:

que? O_o

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neb_:

shit

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neb_:

3 months :(

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directhex:

neb_, ?

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neb_:

[22:56:26] < mrpockets> been trying to install and configure it for a good 3 months now. Once i do i'll be totaly windows independant.

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directhex:

screwing up mythtv on ubuntu takes skill & dedication

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iamlindoro:

Letting it stay broken for three months takes indifference

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alexvd_:

anyone use mythphone for caller id pops to the osd?

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neb_:

directhex: out of interest, what ver are you running?

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leprasmurf:

hello all. can someone please look at this pastebin and see if anyone knows the problem: http://pastebin.ca/916868

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directhex:

neb_, currently? a 0.21-fixes build

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neb_:

ah k

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neb_:

i should probably upgrade

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kreat0r:

would anyone here know if shipping to japan is a bitch?'

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iamlindoro:

depends entirely on what one would want to ship

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iamlindoro:

heroin is tough

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iamlindoro:

letters are easy

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neb_:

:]

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neb_:

quality questions :)

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iamlindoro:

welcome to #everything-users

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