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Tuesday, February 19th, 2008, 00:03 UTC

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Led-Hed:

night all

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usg990a1235:

hello all – need some help

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usg990a1235:

RingBuf(/storage/video/): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/storage/vide'

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usg990a1235:

I get this on only 1 frontend

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usg990a1235:

all other frontends play the recordings fine

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usg990a1235:

any thoughts?

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directhex:

what is the hostname on the broken and non-broken machines?

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usg990a1235:

hostname on master backend is mediaserver and broken frontend is jsands

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usg990a1235:

what strike's me as odd is that only one frontend has this problem. I just compiled it from scratch today using same sources as the other frontends

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Woosta:

OK, I'm going nuts .. where is the setting that runs imdb.pl?

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mikeones:

hello

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usg990a1235:

Woosta: in frontend > Utilities / Setup > Setup > Media Settings > Video Settings > General Settings

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Woosta:

Hmm m.. /me looks again

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Woosta:

weird .. thanks :-D

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Woosta:

Is there any way to cron scanning for new files?

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mikeones:

if I run nuvexport-xvid --mencoder --nice 10 --input=file.mpg form the console as mythtv user, everhting is fine. If I setup user job 1 and run nuvexport-xvid --mencoder --nice 10 --input="%FILE%" , nothing happens

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mikeones:

anyway to logg that and see what is going on?

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iamlindoro__:

all user jobs are logged in the backend log

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iamlindoro__:

but your problem is almost certainly that you're not feeding it the absolute path

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iamlindoro__:

Make it %DIR%/%FILE% and it will likely work

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mikeones:

great! Let me try that

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mikeones:

iamlindoro__: the show I have recorded with user job 1 enabled are in the Job queue but, they are not starting. The just stay in queued status. Let me see if the new user job 1 settings will make the next job transcode

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iamlindoro__:

you will probably need to remove the queued jobs for it to get to any new jobs

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clever:

2008-02–18 20:43:38.595 Unable to initialize plugin 'mythmusic'.

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robbins61:

Woosta, is imdb.pl working now?

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clever:

damnit

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Woosta:

robbins61: I rewrote it so it works for me, but it isn't designed to be too generic yet

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iamlindoro__:

robbins61: No, like people have been telling you, there's unlikely to be a near-term fix (ie, in the next few days)

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iamlindoro__:

ah, officially speaking, that is ;)

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clever:

why cant i get mythmusic working?

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Anduin:

robbins61: imdbpy.py really should be as easy as downloading and installing imdbpy and changing the setup

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Anduin:

Woosta: did you just switch to UserAgent?

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robbins61:

alright, i'll try it out

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Woosta:

no, I rewrote it

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Woosta:

http://rick.measham.id.au/paste/imdb.txt

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Woosta:

It isn't as complete as the version in the distro, but -D works. -P just gets the low-res cover shot from imdb and -M isn't implemented at all.

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Woosta:

What does it normally get passed by Myth? The filename? The full path?

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Anduin:

a little work is done to clean the filename (inside MythVideo but also in imdb.pl)

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clever:

doh!

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clever:

2008-02–18 20:51:12.223 MythPlugin::init() dlerror: libcdaudio.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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Anduin:

clever: Yeah, that would do it.

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clever:

i did change over to a new bin/ and lib/ though

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clever:

which cant hurt

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clever:

now to finish rebuilding the master

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clever:

all my slaves are too new

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mikeones:

iamlindoro__: what do I need to do to *purge* those queued jobs?

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clever:

2008-02–18 20:53:47.057 adding: media as a slave backend server

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clever:

2008-02–18 20:53:47.334 adding: oldghost as a slave backend server

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clever:

2008-02–18 20:54:05.515 adding: olddell as a slave backend server

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clever:

ah forgot the d630

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clever:

2008-02–18 21:00:58.002 Decoder error. DecoderMAD: Failed to open input. Error 5.

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clever:

that mythmusic error is a pain\

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iamlindoro__:

clever: Rescan your music

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clever:

that reminds me

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clever:

this pc lacks the symlink pile for the music!

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iamlindoro__:

mikeones: You can do it from system status in the information Center

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mikeones:

can it be done form mythweb?

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iamlindoro__:

not that I'm aware

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mikeones:

I have 6 jobs in front of the updated user job

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iamlindoro__:

ummm... congrats?

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mikeones:

can't get to the frontend right now

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iamlindoro__:

then I guess you can't cancel them either ;)

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iamlindoro__:

well, not without getting friendly with the DB

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mikeones:

I see

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clever:

DELETE FROM music_albumart WHERE filename= 'ï¿½Wï¿½ï¿½ï&iques t;½Pï¿½bï¿½gï¿½P .jpg' AND directory_id= 937;

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clever:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

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synthetic_fenix:

hello

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synthetic_fenix:

anyone know why on my myth box all playback is going too fast?

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Woosta:

How do I cron checking for new/deleted video files?

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synthetic_fenix:

date

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synthetic_fenix:

oops wrong window

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Sedorox:

Mon Feb 18 18:37:40 MST 2008

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Sedorox:

sorry... lagging a bit :p

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synthetic_fenix:

lol

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synthetic_fenix:

seems i may have found my problem

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synthetic_fenix:

for some reason since i rebooted earlier i am developed a clock speed problem

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iamlindoro__:

Woosta: You don't

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Woosta:

eh? why not?

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iamlindoro__:

because you can't

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Woosta:

Never say can't :-D

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iamlindoro__:

Not without submitting your patch to make it possible, that is.

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iamlindoro__:

Woosta: By all means, I'm sure nobody would mind you writing up a patch to do so

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Ghost1227:

anyone have any experience with the pvr-150?

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iamlindoro__:

Ghost1227: Far better to just ask your question than to wait for someone to volunteer to help you

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Ghost1227:

guess thats a good point

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iamlindoro__:

since probably 50% of the people here own or have owned 150s

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Ghost1227:

ok... here goes nothing... i have a pvr-150 that works well, but only up to channel 50... after 50 it just gives static

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iamlindoro__:

It's entirely possible that only the first 50 channels in your cable lineup are transmitted in analog... the other possibility is that you're using the wrong frequency table or modulation

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Ghost1227:

huh

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Ghost1227:

ok

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iamlindoro__:

easiest way to see is to plug your cable line straight into your TV and scan for channels on the TV (withouth using *any* Set Top Box). If you only get 50, then those are the only ones broadcast in analog by your provider, and the others are digital-only. My money's on that.

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Ghost1227:

alright, will try that

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Ghost1227:

here's another question for you then

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Ghost1227:

in the middle of building what is gonna be a hd-htpc... any suggestions on good hd cards that work with myth?

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iamlindoro__:

Presuming USA, The HDHomerun,. Kworld 110 or 115, and pcHDTV 5500 are all decent cards

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iamlindoro__:

just keep in mind that, as always, you are likely only to be able to receive local channels in HD

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iamlindoro__:

And that the digital versions of all the other channels in your cable lineup are going to be encrypted, most likely

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iamlindoro__:

There is hope on the horizon for capture and hardware encoding of Component out from a cable box, but that's not in the wild yet.

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Ghost1227:

really.... any insider knowledge of when such technology would be feasable?

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mzb:

justinh suggested May

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mzb:

(iirc)

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iamlindoro__:

Supposed release is in the next few months

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iamlindoro__:

Press release said Q108, I wouldn't be surprised if it slipped a bit since I know Hauppauge is still waiting on the plastics design

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dangral:

Hello. I just moved my myth setup to a new box and I'm struggling with the sound setup on my combined frontend/backend. When playing back recordings, adjusting the PCM volume does not affect the sound output. There is a 'Headphone' item in alsamixer, but I can;t figure out how to correlate the 'Headphone' setting with the volume in Mythtv. Any ideas?

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Ghost1227:

?

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dangral:

f/

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dangral:

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squish102:

so it looks like HD-DVD is dead. long live sony :(

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bsdfox:

iamlindoro: why can't you do that with a normal hauppauge card?

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bsdfox:

nm thinking composite

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Guyfromhe:

HD-DVD died a while ago

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simcop2387:

is there any quick way to find out how many hours of recorded material there are?

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Anduin:

simcop2387: You can see your average in the information center and guess based on that, the SQL to sum recorded would be simple as well.

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simcop2387:

hmm

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at0m|c:

hi, mythweather shows bogus info (atherObj(){.. etcetera) on 2 of my 3 frontends. anyone have an idea what's wrong with it?

[04:54:59]

at0m|c:

i've set up a location, mythweather should be properly configured (from the UI at least)..

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iamlindoro__:

Mostly the fact that MythWeather has been broken for the better part of a year (there is a new Mythweather in SVN)

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mzb:

iirc there is a setting somewhere that enables me to run auto-transcode before auto-commflag ... can anyone remind me where this setting is?

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at0m|c:

iamlindoro__, oki, will wait till next debian package update then :)

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at0m|c:

not a showstopper, was just wondering eh.

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baal:

hi anyone any good with shell script programing , im have a var that has a full path then filename ie "/usr/local/bin/datafile" and I want to get rid of the path so its jsut datafile ?

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jams:

basename /usr/local/bin/datafile

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at0m|c:

mzb, i see what option you mean, but i dont seem the find it either.. maybe they done away with that option?

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mzb:

no, I remember seeing it

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mzb:

and I'm running svn-multirec

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mzb:

in most situations, I want to run auto-commflag (only)

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mzb:

but in other situations, I want to transcode and _then_ commflag (optionally)

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mzb:

(I do the cutting manually via lossless transcode as I can't trust the commflag)

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mzb:

found it in the db: AutoTranscodeBeforeAutoCommflag

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mzb:

but can't find the setting for it

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Anduin:

Usually things that cannot be found are in mythtv-setup

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mzb:

hmm ... starting to think that ... stuff it ... change db direct

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Anduin:

it is there, general settings several pages in

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at0m|c:

mzb, tried through mythweb?

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mzb:

couldn't see it ... done now

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mzb:

thx

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at0m|c:

talking about mythweb, it gives me "Database Error" since an update couple of weeks ago

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at0m|c:

not too keen on flushing and rebuilding db with all settings...

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Woosta:

OK, got a script that finds new downloaded TV shows, deciphers the filename, renames it into a directory, looks up the info on IMDB and updates the DB. All from cron :-D.

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Woosta:

Have to get it to episode resolution though. Right now, every ep of every season of Amazing Race has the generic description

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tcpsyn:

I'm having a hard time getting a playable hd stream.. I'm not sure if my problem is with XvMC, my nvidia driver, xorg.conf, or my signal itself.

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tcpsyn:

I'm getting a bunch of different errors, the NVP: prebuffering pause, Video sync method can't support double framerate (refresh rate too low for bob deint)

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tcpsyn:

and VideoOutputXv: Ack! Disabling ChromaKey OSD

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tcpsyn:

are these all related?

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tcpsyn:

actually, I'm getting this too: Failed to approve 'onefield' deinterlacer

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squee:

If I use a ps3 as a frontend, can it manage high def output smoothly?

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tcpsyn:

well

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tcpsyn:

yes.

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mzb_d800:

at0m|c: edit mythweb to match the correct mythtv proto

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tcpsyn:

But you gotta mess witht he stream

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mzb_d800:

(most likely)

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tcpsyn:

squee, You have to change the container from TS to PS

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tcpsyn:

if you just use GameOS and upnp

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at0m|c:

mzb_d800, cheers, looking into where to edit mythweb..

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squee:

tcpsyn, I don't actually have a ps3 yet, and I have no idea what that means. Can it be done from yellowdog?

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iamlindoro__:

squee: If you intend to run PS3 Linux, it's highly doubtful you'll manage decent HD performance

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squee:

is the gameos just the default interface?

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iamlindoro__:

squee: You should get OK results with uPnP, but I wouldn't expect much out of an actual Myth install on PS3

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squee:

ok thanks

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mzb_d800:

at0m|c: $ rgrep PROTO /var/www/mythweb/*

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at0m|c:

mzb_d800, super :)

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tcpsyn:

squee, I haven't tried yellowdog

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tcpsyn:

but I have managed usable results with just the playstation

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tcpsyn:

without installing linux on it

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tcpsyn:

just with some hacking

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squee:

supposedly with linux you can now get some kind of video acceleration, i'm just not sure how good it is

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squee:

the tv is 720p

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tcpsyn:

I do fine without linux

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tcpsyn:

on the ps3

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tcpsyn:

I get better performance on my ps3 than I do on my damn quadcore box tbh

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cesman:

as you should

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tcpsyn:

actually, I do alright without xvmc

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tcpsyn:

xvmc gives me a headache though

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tcpsyn:

Now I'm having problems on my ATSC cards changing channels.

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tcpsyn:

RingBuf(/mnt/mythtv/recordings/2041_20080219011401.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/mnt/mythtv/recordings/2041_20080219011401.mpg'.

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tcpsyn:

sometimes it just kicks me back to the menu

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tcpsyn:

sometimes it freezes myth

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tcpsyn:

and.. actually. that file doesn't exist

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tcpsyn:

plenty of space on the partition

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tcpsyn:

jfs filesystem

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Anduin:

tcpsyn: look at the backend log

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tcpsyn:

actually, I don't see any mention of that file in the backend log

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tcpsyn:

I added a second atsc card

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tcpsyn:

I scanned the channels

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Anduin:

tcpsyn: Yeah, but you should see it attempt to record, and hopefully some other error

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tcpsyn:

but set it to use the regular listing error.

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tcpsyn:

Anduin, yeah, I should, but I don't.

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tcpsyn:

2008-02–19 01:16:03.989 Expiring 0 MBytes for 2041 @ Tue Feb 19 00:37:00 2008 => The Late Late Show With Craig Ferguson

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tcpsyn:

That's what I changed the channel to.

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tcpsyn:

No errors though

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Anduin:

may want to try with -v most

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tcpsyn:

I'll give it a shot

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mikeones:

what is a good solution for a frontend in the living room? My mini-ITX has died and am looking for options. I know a mac mini is one... what else are people using?

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Woosta:

An old PIII

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sphing:

will user jobs process if mythjobqueue isn't running?

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tjcarter:

mikeones: the cheapest AMD dual core thing you can get with a $29 NV video card.

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tjcarter:

mikeones: 256–512MB RAM

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tjcarter:

mikeones: diskless setup or like 1–2GB SSD

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tjcarter:

actually for a dedicated FE, any single core chip that has an equivalent dual core option would do it

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tjcarter:

but dual core can be had < $50 so...

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mchou:

tjcarter: which dual cores were you thinking?

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mikeones:

tjcarter: a tower pc?

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tjcarter:

mchou: cheapest possible.

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tjcarter:

mikeones: whatever is cheap, if you can find a place to stick it.

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mikeones:

thats the problem

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mikeones:

and cheap usualy means loud

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tjcarter:

actually, with no HD, it's pretty easy to cool

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mchou:

only if you buy used

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tjcarter:

and quietly

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mchou:

which dual cores are loud?

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mchou:

they all have voltage and freq. throttling these days

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tjcarter:

with cheapest dual core, you're talking relatively lower clock.. Just put a slow/large fan cooler or a fanless zalman or something on it

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mikeones:

my biggest problem with the mini-ITX was the loud HD

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mchou:

lol

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mikeones:

I will look into that

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mchou:

if that was your only issue with mini-itx you're ahead :)

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tjcarter:

mikeones: I'm suggesting SSD as an answer to that

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tjcarter:

mikeones: even if it's just a Compact Flash card rigged with an IDE adapter.

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mchou:

what???

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mchou:

that would be expensive

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tjcarter:

CF card and adapter?

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mchou:

just use a usb meory stick

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mchou:

memory*

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tjcarter:

If you can boot USB, sure

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tjcarter:

Not all boards will (even today *sigh*)

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mchou:

which modern mobo dont boot usb?

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mikeones:

plenty

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tjcarter:

USB floppy: all

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tjcarter:

USB memory device or HD: several =/

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mchou:

I saw a reaonably nice mobo at the surplus store

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mchou:

reasonably*

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mchou:

too bad it was socket A

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mchou:

for $10 I would have bought it

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tjcarter:

Hard to find socket A chips now

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mchou:

lots of interesting stuff at the surplus store thes days

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mchou:

bought a pap2 for $10

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mchou:

that was fun!

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mchou:

works like a charm!

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Cackette:

anyone played audiosurf yet?

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Solv:

i need some urgent help...got a show to record in a few hours and my mythbox has gone belly up...it ran out of room, so i removed a heap of temp files and log files, restarted and everything seemd okay...cept the live tv won't start! I've refilled the databse...deleted all the input sources and rescanned all the channels and refiled the database, but it still comes up with:GetEntryAt(-1) failed.2008-02–19 19:43:30.994 EntryToProgram(0@Thu Jan

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Solv:

1 10:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo

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Solv:

2008-02–19 19:43:30.994 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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Solv:

2008-02–19 19:43:30.995 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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Solv:

2008-02–19 19:43:30.999 TV: Deleting TV Chain in destructor

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Solv:

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Solv:

if someone knows how i can remove mythconverg and rebuild it again, I reckon that might fix it

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cesman:

Solv: you do realize if you remove mythconverg, all you setting will be gone

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cesman:

if you suspect an issue w/ the db, the first thing you should do is check it for errors

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Solv:

cesman, have done...no errors

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Solv:

well, i hope it is just a frontend thing...because it's still set to record

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Solv:

if it records okay, i can watch it later

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Solv:

i think i've found a clue....EntryToProgram(0@Thu Jan 1 10:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo

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Solv:

what on earth is it looking for something in 1970 for...

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nayfly:

hey peoples... can anyone recommend a program and/or guide to rename mythtv recordings to the appropriate episode and show names as seen in mythtv?

[09:37:07]

clever:

mythrename

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nayfly:

ok coolies. easy to use?

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Solv:

i'm so pissed off at knoppmyth right now

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Solv:

i'm missing the terminator sarah conner chronicles

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clever:

never actualy used it here

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directhex|bsp:

nayfly, mythrename.pl. it should be in your contrib directory

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nayfly:

oh ok! that's cool, so it comes with myth...

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nayfly:

thanks directhexlbsp

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directhex|bsp:

mythtv-backend: usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/mythrename.pl.gz

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nayfly:

wow! i just ran it....... that was really easy!

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nayfly:

thanks man

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directhex|bsp:

now it's properly official. toshiba's announ ced the death of hd-dvd, rather than 'anonymous insiders' doing it

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nayfly:

yeh... they destroyed their own creation

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jblack:

heh. That whole battle is moot to me until I can rip movies from them.

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directhex|bsp:

jblack, you can, it's just a pain in the arse

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justinh:

wouldn't say stuff in /contrib always comes with myth. I've seen it ommitted from packages aplenty

[10:04:07]

nayfly:

i'm just looking forward to blueray burners being more affordable...

[10:04:22]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, reasonable assumption 1: if a user doesn't say what they're using, they're using something debian based

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nayfly:

it'll be good to backup to just a few disks

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, reasonable assumption 2: nobody making a debian-based distro will remove contrib, which is included in christian marillat's debian packages

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jblack:

I hope your right. It's worth noting that ubuntu is debian based, but they're making their own packages these days.

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jblack:

hmm. Castro will have more free time for mythtv. He just resigned.

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directhex|bsp:

feisty's packages are based on marillat's, under package naming conventions

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directhex|bsp:

and you can reasonably assume superm1 et al didn't rewrite all the mythtv packaging tools from scratch

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jblack:

That seems likely.

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blackest:

0.21 has just turned up in mythbuntu weekly builds

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clever:

Fatal Error at /media/mainlv/sharedbuilds/7.10/mythplugins/mythweb/classes/Database/Query/mysql .php, line 83:

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clever:

SQL Error: Table 'mythconverg.weatherscreens' doesn't exist [#1146]

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blackest:

how do i unmount a remote folder

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justinh:

woo hatemail – guaranteed to change a mind. narf

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str:

if i have mythtv running perfectly on one machine and move my external tuner to another machine is there a way to copy the exact settings over?

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jblack:

copy the database

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str:

the only thing i had to install to get it working is the firmware

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str:

same on both machines one is smooth the other is blocky about every second

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str:

i have autotuned it a few times

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str:

and i have 3d hardware working in the desktop the one im having problems with

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str:

i've tried another firmware version

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str:

how do i go about copying the database? is it channel settings only?

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hashbang:

str: mysqldump

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hashbang:

str: best to stop myth processes before you do so, though.

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str:

i'll wait until terminator is over cheers

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Solv:

str, it finsihed 1/2 hr ago for me

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Solv:

watchin burn notice now

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str:

is that only the channels i will copy?

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clever:

would help to flush the tables too, but mysqldump may do it for you

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justinh:

str: everything is stored in the database

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rinaldi_:

hi im about to reinstall my os, and i wanted to knwo if there is a way to backup my backend configuration so i don't have to set it up all over again

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hashbang:

rinaldi_: backup /etc/ and use mysqldump

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hashbang:

rinaldi_: should give you all the important stuff

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hashbang:

rinaldi_: oh, and /root/.mythtv, probably

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rinaldi_:

hashbang: thanks

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justinh:

and /home/mythtv/.mythtv don't forget

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rinaldi_:

id probably want to backup my samba profile too, i sthat the one in etc?

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justinh:

spose it's too early to see any announcement about cessation of HD-DVD _disc_ production :P

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, yep, but it's not far off

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justinh:

ahhh allocsize could have saved me some grief in this frag nightmare I had the other day

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directhex|bsp:

by making it super big?

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, so, keepin' the humax?

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justinh:

am I fuckerslike

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directhex|bsp:

vdr!

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justinh:

it's allegedly the best freeview pvr, hate to think how lame the others are if they're worse than the lame box made from lame, coming out of lamersville

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justinh:

mythtv.. wins

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justinh:

I had no expectations of the humax being steamingly brilliant but it was very disappointing nonetheless

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justinh:

if any company invested in embedding myth to run on a stb platform they could really clean up

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justinh:

heard it said, always thought it bollocks. having seen 'da bestest' I'm inclined to agree

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: vdr – now that'd be what I'd call scraping the barrel

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justinh:

I may not be mythtv's biggest fan anymore but hell

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DGnome:

vdr is a good alternative, if you are more interested in tv than other media. VDR doesn't scale as well though

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DGnome:

mythtv, with it's flaws, is still better in my eyes

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quicksilver:

the super super clever part of mythtv is the multiple frontends

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quicksilver:

although an awful ot of people don't use that bit

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quicksilver:

I don't, although one day I'd like to feel rich enough to build a second.

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DGnome:

:)

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DGnome:

I've found that separating the frontend from the backend makes the whole system more responsive.

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DGnome:

Backend had a raid5 array to live on so that might have been the key to responsiveness

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DGnome:

My "production" box may be suffering from mysql slowdowns

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DGnome:

I want solid state drives

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mgi:

hey again

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mgi:

Reiver: ffmpeg running from webserver for flash videos in mythplugins trunk

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mgi:

whoops

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mgi:

that should be re, not Reiver

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mgi:

umm anyway.. when ffmpeg runs as www-data, it doesn't seem to have access to /dev/stdout

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mgi:

(so the ffmpeg call fails)

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directhex|bsp:

so fix your /dev

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quicksilver:

/dev/stdout is magic

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mgi:

well I can't see anything wrong with it for my user

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quicksilver:

it's always stdout of the currentls running process

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quicksilver:

and its permissions are magic, too

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quicksilver:

AFAIK

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mgi:

yes, so why wouldn't it work for www-data + apache2

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quicksilver:

the reason won't be permissions

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quicksilver:

it mostly likely means that process doesn't have a stdout at all

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mgi:

that's what I figured, but why not is the question

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directhex|bsp:

/dev/stdout isn't magic. it's just a symlink. /proc/self/fd/1 is magic!

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justinh:

vdr might be nice if I decided I want to steal cable I suppose

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directhex|bsp:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/79 . . . mandment.JPG

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at0m|c:

quicksilver, why wait till you're 'rich enough to build a second' – i'm using old unused boxes that people throw away. getting them for free, refurbish a bit, et voila

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at0m|c:

you must have been kiddin' :]

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justinh:

rich enough? I put my c2d frontend together for just over a hundred squids exc. case

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, an epia costs hundreds of quids! price goes up with powaaah!

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justinh:

might try my flea-pea aye-ay out with trunk & see how it fares, just for laughs

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, don't bother

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, fo' realz. it's a waste of your time

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justinh:

xine & mplayer play mpeg2 SDTV with under 15% CPU usage just fine

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justinh:

fixing the 'problem' mythtv has would be beneficial to everybody

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jblack:

Heh. I feel your pain. There's things I've been suffering with for over a year.

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justinh:

really wouldn't mind nailing the playback delay too

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quicksilver:

at0m|c: I'm fussy.

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quicksilver:

at0m|c: I'm not interested in a big ugly dirty second front end

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justinh:

screw themes, screw features..

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quicksilver:

at0m|c: I won't bother unless I can get a small silent smart looking one.

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justinh:

make it more _usable_

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GreyFoxx:

I've got a fine that appears to duplicate the prebuffer pause stuff so I'lll be poking at that today if I get time

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GreyFoxx:

s/fine/file/

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justinh:

I wouldn't call my c2d frontend in the lc02 box ugly by any means

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justinh:

wouldn't call it small though

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** jblack wonders why myth is constantly segfaulting **

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, did you ever poke via's "enhanced" mplayer?

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GreyFoxx:

jblack: a backtrace would certainly help with figuring that out :)

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GreyFoxx:

though in the last week or 2 a lot of memoryleaks and segfaults have been fixed

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jblack:

Yah, it would.

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GreyFoxx:

so if you are running something older 7you can try updating to the latest svn trunk or 0.21-fixes

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jblack:

I'm using the ubuntu packages, which I think don't come with debugging symbols

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GreyFoxx:

Probably not :/

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jblack:

Oh, this is with... 0.21.0~fixes

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GreyFoxx:

prebuffer pausing and seeking in mp4/mkv files are my next targets

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: nah

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jblack:

That would be nice. That's been driving justinh bonkers.

[13:56:54]

justinh:

mpeg2 actually

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justinh:

and it's never taken much to drive me mad

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directhex|bsp:

prebuffer pauses are prebuffer pauses

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justinh:

I think it's the little niggles that get to me more than the backend crashes

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jblack:

I've been lucky on the frontend side. Backend crashes here have been a rare event.

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justinh:

oh they'

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justinh:

they're rare here

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jblack:

My frontend crashes are merely annoying, and apparently not annoying enough for me to build the sources and debug the segfault

[13:58:43]

justinh:

always between 6 & 7pm strangely enough

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jblack:

Pardon, I've been lucky on the backend side. ;)

[13:59:38]

GreyFoxx:

we fixed one segfault yesterday, and I've tgot a video I encoded whcih is showing the prebuffer stuff so I'm now reading up on how we size the buffers and such

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GreyFoxx:

assuming this compile ever finishes

[14:00:26]

justinh:

ringbuffer.cpp IIRC

[14:00:41]

GreyFoxx:

actually videobuffers.*

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GreyFoxx:

which is were the size of stuff is determined

[14:01:02]

jblack:

I see them in two events. Sometimes, when leaving a recording, sometimes when leaving the watch recordings (the programs list)

[14:01:05]

GreyFoxx:

at least in my 5 second investigation so far

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directhex|bsp:

go go gadget GreyFoxx

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directhex|bsp:

alliteration++

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jblack:

awww. the bazaar import of mythtv is broken

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directhex|bsp:

sounds dirty

[14:11:27]

jblack:

It's not. Bazaar is a RCS that I prefer over subversion. they have a svn->bzr gateway... Well, normally do

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jblack:

Is there any magic necessary to a run build of mythtv-frontend in-place ?

[14:14:28]

jblack:

Or a doc somewhere that I should be reading before I do this?

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quicksilver:

ISTR it is hard to do so

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quicksilver:

I gave up trying and just installed it in a different prefix

[14:14:55]

quicksilver:

I can't remember specifically why it was hard :P

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jblack:

Ok. I'll give in-place a try and see what particular beam I hit my head on.

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rinaldi_:

hi i just reinstalled my os along with mythtv. i've set up the backend and frontend on my desktop and they work fine, but when i try to connect with my laptop wirelessly, select "watch tv" and it says "cannot connect to the master backend server — is it running" any ideas?

[14:16:42]

jblack:

That would indicate to me that the backend server is either not running, or is somewhere other than where you told the frontend it is.

[14:16:50]

quicksilver:

the second choice, I think

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quicksilver:

since the desktop frontend works OK you said

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rinaldi_:

jblack: well the backend is definitly running, and i've got the frontend set to the backend ip

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jblack:

Firewall, perhaps?

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directhex|bsp:

ip binding

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directhex|bsp:

your BE and/or mysql probably sit on 127.0.0.1

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** directhex|bsp decides to say '::1' from now on, to save time **

[14:18:41]

jblack:

not your most brilliant idea. ;)

[14:18:45]

rinaldi_:

possibly firewall yeh, i assumed because im using the same sytem and ip as last time though it would let it through

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doschdn:

hi. my mythtv server doesnt provide upnp anymore. last time i tried, it worked, but i have no idea what i could have changed so it doesnt work anymore :/ i know its hard to give an answer under this circumstances, but nevertheless, does anyone have an idea?

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directhex|bsp:

nope, the Powers That Be have decided it's a firewall issue. we get lots of firewall issues in here, all the time! must be that

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jblack:

rinaldi_: As directhex suggests, I'd check the binding first. If you're binding to localhost rather than your ethernet interface...

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directhex|bsp:

doschdn, randomly stopped working?

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rinaldi_:

jblack: you mean in mysql.txt? i changed that to the actual ip instead of localhost

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jblack:

rinaldi_: With the backend server. You have to tell it what interface to bind to.

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doschdn:

directhex|bsp i don't know what exactly happened. i tried it a few weeks ago and it worked, then today i tried again and i can't see an upnp server running

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directhex|bsp:

doschdn, restart the backend. seems the upnp part dies randomly on occasion

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jblack:

mythtv-backend defaults to localhost, so unless you've changed it, it'll ignore any network interfaces you happen to have.

[14:21:46]

doschdn:

directhex|bsp hm.. i did that already.. maybe i have to wait a bit longer?

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GreyFoxx:

doschdn: Do you have it disabled by using --noupnp or somesuch in your initscript ?

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doschdn:

i'm using the default debian init script. let me look :)

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directhex|bsp:

upnp definitely dies (without bringing down the backend) on 0.22

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directhex|bsp:

0.20.2, even#

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rinaldi_:

jblack: how do i find out exactly what the binding is then?

[14:24:02]

bilbo75:

hi room,can I have some help please?

[14:24:03]

jblack:

I imagine it's in mythtv-setup

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jblack:

This is a long build.

[14:24:19]

justinh:

bilbo75: no, not without saying what's wrong

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directhex|bsp:

jblack, page 1 of mythtv-setup

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bilbo75:

k :P,I'm using slack 12 with mythtv 0.21svn

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directhex|bsp:

slackware? GreyFoxx, you're up!

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jblack:

rinaldi_: Oh, wait. I remember now ( :) ) Page 1 of mythtv-setup!

[14:25:27]

bilbo75:

my problem is when I exit from internal player I get a seg fault

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** jblack cracks a boyish grin **

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GreyFoxx:

bilbo75: That's a bug in a version of QT, which unfortuntely is the version that was packaged with 12.0's release

[14:26:19]

rinaldi_:

jblack: thats the first thing i checked, but it wasn't there. strange i just checked again and it was there...

[14:26:33]

bilbo75:

k can you give me some hint for the patch?

[14:26:34]

jblack:

rinaldi_: Oh. THat's my fault. I was screwing with your head.

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rinaldi_:

;-)

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doschdn:

GreyFoxx i cant find such a parameter :/

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jblack:

I know the feeling. Last week, I spent an hour looking for my keys, only to find them in my hand.

[14:28:37]

bilbo75:

@Grayfox : the problem is not present if I use Mplayer or Xine instead,are you sure is a QT problem???

[14:28:37]

GreyFoxx:

bilbo75: I honestly can't remember if I had to update to 3.3.8 or downgrade to 3.3.6

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GreyFoxx:

bilbo75: yes, those apps for not use QT

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bilbo75:

I'm using 3.3.8 now

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GreyFoxx:

downgrade to 3.3.6

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bilbo75:

k I'll try thx :)

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rinaldi_:

jblack: thanks for that, working now

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GreyFoxx:

It's a known problem with the only sympton being the segfault at close

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, i find it telling that the qt package version on ubuntu is "3.3.8really3.3.7–0ubuntu11"

[14:30:29]

GreyFoxx:

yeah :)

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GreyFoxx:

I think Trolltech said they were not likely to fix it :)

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directhex|bsp:

stupid qt

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directhex|bsp:

gtk port time!

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quicksilver:

my understanding is that qt is pretty deeply embedded in myth

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quicksilver:

since it uses the qt utility structures and stuff

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GreyFoxx:

QT wont be going anywhere

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GreyFoxx:

but the QT4 switch will be coming

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directhex|bsp:

stupid qt4. wxwidgets port time!

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justinh:

abracadabra, allahh peanut butter sandwiches!

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quicksilver:

pret-- # not selling peanut butter based lunches

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directhex|bsp:

pret-- #mcdonalds!

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DustyBin:

Blue-ray discs will become the standard, the next thing, when will UK freeview go HD?

[14:39:46]

DustyBin:

"The BBC is aiming to make the HD channel available on digital satellite digital and cable TV by late 2008, with nine hours a day of programming with 95% of the schedule comprising HD versions of existing corporation shows.

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justinh:

2012, if ever!

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DustyBin:

why so late?

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directhex|bsp:

because of analog

[14:40:19]

DustyBin:

oh dear

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DustyBin:

"But on Freeview the BBC says it can only launch a four-hours-a-day HD channel, between 2am and 6am, because of a lack of spectrum capacity with the digital terrestrial TV service."

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directhex|bsp:

they can't do much until analog is stabbed in the face

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justinh:

because of greed, too

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DustyBin:

4 years

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DustyBin:

fekkin heck

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justinh:

whatever they decide for terrestrial, it'll be shite, so get dvb-s

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DustyBin:

"The BBC hopes to be able to extend this Freeview HD channel to nine hours a day, but not until after digital switchover in 2012."

[14:41:35]

justinh:

it's all bullshit til ofcom work ou wtf they're doing anyway

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directhex|bsp:

freesat, yo'

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DustyBin:

thank heavens i only bought a 24" CRT

[14:42:33]

justinh:

god help you if ofcom decide it's more in the public interest to make dvb-h & mobile broadband available instead

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DustyBin:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/sep/18/bbc.television1

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, i have NO IDEA WHY, but some people take dvb-h et al seriously

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directhex|bsp:

DustyBin, you can watch bbc hd today if you like

[14:43:26]

justinh:

directhex|bsp: because paying for shit quality content only viewable on a tiny screen is teh foochtah!

[14:43:34]

DustyBin:

directhex|bsp: not on my NOVA-T 500 card i cant

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directhex|bsp:

DustyBin, well, not, that would involve being on the crystal palace transmitter

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justinh:

the dvb-t trial ended last year AFAIK

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, imagine a world where youtube needs to be downscaled for viewing

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justinh:

now it's dvb-s or bust

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, did it? cocksicles

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directhex|bsp:

DustyBin, it's dvb-s time!

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** DustyBin doesnt want to ditch his frame grabber **

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DustyBin:

frame grabber ftw :D

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justinh:

nova-t 500 != framegrabber

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DustyBin:

yep :D

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jblack:

still building. sheesh..

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jblack:

Yay! myth built

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DustyBin:

justinh: do you pass all your virgin cable through to your dvb-s card?

[14:51:14]

justinh:

what?

[14:51:19]

justinh:

cable is dvb-c

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DustyBin:

i mean c

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jblack:

bah. it's linking against the wrong libraries.

[14:51:35]

justinh:

and no, there's duck all worth watching on virgin cable that you can't get on freeview

[14:51:54]

justinh:

and again no because plugging in a dvb-c card would be NAUGHTY

[14:52:29]

justinh:

and finally not only would it be naughty to plug the cable in, it'd be VERY naughty to decripple the stuff

[14:52:38]

DustyBin:

maybe one of those big sat dishes in the garden is the solution, the kind that can swing from east to west

[14:52:53]

DustyBin:

pick up all kind of stuff

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justinh:

there's one FTA HD channel beamed down at the UK. BBCHD

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DustyBin:

*porn* *cough*

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justinh:

married? no need for porn

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DustyBin:

hehe

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directhex|bsp:

pornz are on hotbird 6/7/8

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directhex|bsp:

13E

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** DustyBin wonders how many HD channels one of those dishes could pick up **

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directhex|bsp:

DustyBin, unencrypted? not many

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justinh:

though my marriage seems to be working in an inverse manner. things have er.. shall I say been on the upwards trend as opposed to the oft-moaned about downwards trend

[14:54:50]

jblack:

she's cheating on you

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jblack:

sorry

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** jblack shoves his fist in his mouth **

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DustyBin:

directhex|bsp: most of those channels can be cracked

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directhex|bsp:

DustyBin, which is off-topic and bannable

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justinh:

jblack: I thought that'd be the case is the trend was more downwards but hey. as long I get a share

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jblack:

Oh, ok then. Perhaps she'd be willing to share her hypothetical boyfriend with you?

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DustyBin:

ok

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justinh:

paint a plastic tub white, stick some coax into it, mount them at an angle on an old dustbin lid & attach to the wall. instant neighbour envy

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DustyBin:

lol

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DustyBin:

whats the point in spending so much a month on SKY or virgin, one may as well get your own sat dish

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justinh:

free or paid for, there's fork all worth watching

[14:58:25]

justinh:

over & above what you already get on freeview

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justinh:

sorry but I don't find endless reruns of George & Mildred appaealing

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DustyBin:

justinh: you can pick up channels from all over the world with a dish that can turn from east to west

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directhex|bsp:

DustyBin, and why would you want to?

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DustyBin:

a friend of mine can pick up football games legally, on sky sports you have to pay for them

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directhex|bsp:

DustyBin, unless you have a HUGE dish, you basically get 5 birds in britain

[14:59:52]

DustyBin:

not sure what birds is

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justinh:

satellites

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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justinh:

wanna watch fooball? go to the pub

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justinh:

they have real life fighting there too I heard

[15:01:17]

justinh:

all the fun of going to a real game without the inconvenience of standing up in the bad weather

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DustyBin:

hehe

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justinh:

and -upwards of 35 quids & you can't even get pissed there

[15:02:21]

justinh:

whereas in the pub..

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jblack:

Is there a way to tell mythfrontend to use a different libdir?

[15:02:37]

justinh:

35 quid in most pubs well at least get you in fighting spirit

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DustyBin:

stella + football + louts

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justinh:

never met a soccer fan who wasn't a wanker

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DustyBin:

lol true

[15:04:16]

justinh:

fanboys. all the same. devoid of reason :)

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jblack:

GreyFoxx: Ping

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Te3-BloodyIron:

hey is anyone around that can help me with setting up a second backend? im just stuck at one part with transcoding

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justinh:

don't do transcoding. plenty disk space, don't keep anything that's been watched alredy – job done :)

[15:10:49]

Te3-BloodyIron:

i have limited diskspace, and want to add the diskspace of the new system to the "mythtv network" i am devising

[15:10:57]

Te3-BloodyIron:

the master backend has only 20 gigs :(

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justinh:

:-O

[15:11:05]

Te3-BloodyIron:

are you able to help me out"

[15:11:06]

Te3-BloodyIron:

?

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justinh:

nope. I'm a bastard troll

[15:11:20]

Te3-BloodyIron:

nutter

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** Te3-BloodyIron shakes fist **

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justinh:

then again I dunno how anybody would be able to help without knowing the nature of your query

[15:13:08]

directhex|bsp:

please state the nature of the mythtv emergency

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Te3-BloodyIron:

lol it's not quite an emergency

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Te3-BloodyIron:

okay well im adding another backend to the system, and i want it to do more transcoding, but it doesnt have a tuner in it so i want it to transcode stuff other backends record

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justinh:

not sure you can do that

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Te3-BloodyIron:

however i either didnt set it up right, or something, because it doesnt copy the files to the new backend, and thus reports 242 because it cannot transcode files on another machine

[15:16:41]

justinh:

there's something about allowing jobs to run on a different backend – dunno if that just applies to commflagging or not though

[15:18:30]

Te3-BloodyIron:

well i can commflag over the network just fine

[15:18:38]

Te3-BloodyIron:

which helps, but not all of what i want to do :P

[15:18:46]

Te3-BloodyIron:

do you know if i need to set it up on the master backend, or the new backend?

[15:19:03]

justinh:

I think it can only run on the backend the recording is done on

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Te3-BloodyIron:

i dunno about that, there is a flag to force such a setting, which suggests you can set it up to do the opposite

[15:19:34]

Te3-BloodyIron:

do you remember this flag?

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Te3-BloodyIron:

aww

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nayfly_:

anyone ever noticed how easily linux is broken?!

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hashbang:

nayfly_: in what way?

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iamlindoro:

on the contrary, it takes conscious effort or real ignorance to break things irreparably

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nayfly_:

ahh, for instance, upgrading a graphics card driver caused 3 hours of heartache

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iamlindoro:

There's very little a quick google and an aweness of what you just did can't fix

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nayfly_:

all is well now, but yes, frustrating

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justinh:

hmmm funny that my dapper backend has remained unbroken since I installed it

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justinh:

don't change stuff & things won't break!

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justinh:

!!!!!!!!

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hashbang:

nayfly_: nVidia?

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nayfly_:

that of course, justinh, is assuming you're a linux veteran

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nayfly_:

yeh nvidia

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hashbang:

nayfly_: not really 'Linux's fault', but nVidia's for not doing things 'the Linux way'

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nayfly_:

God knows I tried ubuntu with ATI....... it did not like video

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justinh:

my gentoo backend was fine when I was a noob til I put a slash inthe wrong place doing an rm -rf

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nayfly_:

haha

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justinh:

had 2 good years out of it

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justinh:

so don't come along with all this veteran shite

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iamlindoro:

point being, it's *just* as easy to break windows, you just don't do it because you are familiar with it. It's identical in Linux

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nayfly_:

i suppose you're right....

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justinh:

don't allow (pointless) automagical updates to happen

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directhex|bsp:

at least linux breakage can be fixed, more often than not

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directhex|bsp:

windows you shake your head and go "reformat time"

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hashbang:

directhex|bsp: or endless safe mode/registry hacking cycles.

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nayfly_:

there was a moment about 30 minutes ago when i might have said the same thing about my linux box

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directhex|bsp:

hashbang, who understands the registry?

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iamlindoro:

gah, the registry is the WORST idea evar

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nayfly_:

but you're right, it was fixable

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nayfly_:

microsoft wants the registry GONE....... have done for years

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directhex|bsp:

and nowadays you get 4 registries!

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iamlindoro:

heh, well good luck with that, there's way too much legacy software to be lost that way... their 3rd party devs would shit a birck

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iamlindoro:

er brick

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hashbang:

directhex|bsp: The registry is easy. The knotted mess of GUIDS and vendor-specific entries is another matter.

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directhex|bsp:

the 64-bit one, the 32-bit one, the 64-bit transparently rewritten one for when user apps try to write system keys, and the 64-bit version too

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Kazan:

unpossible!

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Kazan:

sony won a format war!

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nayfly_:

haha

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directhex|bsp:

hashbang, GUIDs are easy and simple!"

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directhex|bsp:

nutritious and delicious!

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justinh:

don't worry we'll all wake up soon

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nayfly_:

sony won because they got lucky

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iamlindoro:

Now we can look forward to Bluray Pro, BluRay Pro Duo, BluRay Pro Duo 2....

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Kazan:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

Bluray Grand Wega

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Kazan:

they need to finalize the spec

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, ALREADY THERE. not all players will do blu-ray 2.0

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directhex|bsp:

not all can do the current version

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directhex|bsp:

madnessness!

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nayfly_:

i guess it just sucks for all the xbox 360 owners who bought the hd-dvd player

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: it's good though. those pesky early adopters have to be taught a lesson damnit

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Kazan:

i didn't realize the BR2 specs were out.. i thought it was just 1.1

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iamlindoro:

directhex, That's why I'll go on ripping my BR disks and just watch that sweet, sweet TS in MythVideo

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directhex|bsp:

nayfly_, MS will release a blu-ray usb drive at some point

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nayfly_:

you can bet on it!

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iamlindoro:

I can honestly say I've never listened to a commentary or watched a deleted scene

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, why the hell are they using TS for disc media?

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Kazan:

iamlindoro: i was unaware that there existed a ripping tool for BR

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iamlindoro:

directhex|bsp, I just work here, don't ask me :)

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Kazan:

ok.. question for you guys

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iamlindoro:

Kazan, Yup, there are several

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Kazan:

why would recordings on my HD tuner be failing silently.. there is no error report in my backend log

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nayfly_:

for me, blue-ray is redundant until they come up with an affordable burner

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directhex|bsp:

nayfly_, define 'affordable'

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hashbang:

directhex|bsp: heh. I remember paying 179GBP for my Mitsumi 4x CD burner, back in 1998 or so.

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nayfly_:

affordable in the sense that there is market competition

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hashbang:

directhex|bsp: and that was a couple of years after friends had bought ~400GBP Ricoh 1x/2x models.

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directhex|bsp:

blu-ray burners are under Â£200

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justinh:

300GBP for hp scsi cd writer, sans scsi card

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nayfly_:

random question, is there a linux drive imaging tool?

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justinh:

nayfly_: dd

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iamlindoro:

man dd

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nayfly_:

cheers!

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directhex|bsp:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=747284 – write blu-ray, read blu-ray AND hd-dvd

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Kazan:

whoa

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hashbang:

nayfly_: growisofs, same as DVD and CD, it seems.

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Kazan:

wtf

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Kazan:

million database errors

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directhex|bsp:

so you can stock up on cheap discontinued hd-dvd movies

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iamlindoro:

directhex|bsp, Yes, exactly what I've been saying!

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iamlindoro:

Get them at less than half the cost they will be when they are reissued on Blu-ray, and the files will be *identical* save the different container

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, i still want a "put disc in drive and watch it" solution in the living room. currently that means ps3 means blu-ray

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arschjucken:

i have a question: can i configure mythtv to use its own mixer or audio? i dont like its controlling my master or pcm mixer

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nayfly_:

i believe you can, in the general setup options

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directhex|bsp:

i wonder when cd burning will be dropped from drives

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iamlindoro:

directhex|bsp, Yeah... I so seldom watch anything off a disk that it's worth it to me just to get it in to mythvideo... all a matter of your watching habits, I suppose

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iamlindoro:

arschjucken, I think you would need to use pulsa for that

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iamlindoro:

er pulse

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arschjucken:

i have a audigy2 zs soundcard which can hardwaremix, when i tick in general options 'use internal mixer' its controlling my pcm

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arschjucken:

mybe i can setup something with alsa ?

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justinh:

aww bless. nasty waste of money

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nayfly_:

that combo drive looks niiiice

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DustyBin:

can mythtv with aac support play back a aac file as good as itunes/ipod, or would there be differences in sound quality?

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arschjucken:

iamlindoro: is pulse an audio server like arts and esd ?

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directhex|bsp:

arschjucken, yes :'(

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iamlindoro:

yup

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arschjucken:

that i dont need with an hwmix card :(

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directhex|bsp:

just what the world needs, more sound servers

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iamlindoro:

DustyBin, I imagine Apple's AAC decoder is far more advanced than Libfaac's

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DustyBin:

aye thats what im thinking

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hashbang:

directhex|bsp: to be fair, pulse adds some neat features

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Kazan:

--refresh-all deletes, then inserts new right?

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hashbang:

directhex|bsp: as far as I can tell, sound can be piped from one app to another using Pulse, plus per-app mixers.

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iamlindoro:

arschjucken, Just 'cause your card can hwmix doesn't mean Myth can take advantage of it... I still believe you're going to need to use pulse

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justinh:

neat features? like giving you silence in mythtv without you ever needing to press mute?

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hashbang:

justinh: JFW here on FC8

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, you'd think that, but you'd also think apple or mps's mp3 encoders would be better than some FOSS effort

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justinh:

FC? eww

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arschjucken:

thanks iamlindoro, will try pulse then.... thought i could onfigure alsa in some way, dunno an virutal mythtv mixer or something

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directhex|bsp:

fedora's not cool anymore. cool kids run arch

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justinh:

parrently unbung-too is gonna use pulseaudio in its next incarnation

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iamlindoro:

directhex|bsp, True, but I think the understanding of MP3 format is substantially better than AAC

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iamlindoro:

directhex|bsp, understanding by "the general public," that is

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iamlindoro:

directhex|bsp, Then again, all my talk is conjecture anyway, libfaac might be just as good as Apple's decoder for all I know... I just wouldn't take that bet :)

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justinh:

I just wouldn't use aac

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directhex|bsp:

libfaad

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DustyBin:

i found a car stereo what supports ogg, unbelievable, if this had support for usb storage it would be perfek :D

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DustyBin:

http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/fusion-cacd50 . . . ad19b7b93b81

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hashbang:

directhex|bsp: I don't use Linux to be cool. :-)

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directhex|bsp:

DustyBin, there are a couple

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justinh:

by the time the car engine is running & you're moving on a British road, sound quality is immaterial

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directhex|bsp:

DustyBin, generally, if it's korean, check for ogg support

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DustyBin:

directhex|bsp: there are, but most of them are cack

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DustyBin:

this one looks half decent

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justinh:

half decent isn't good enough though

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DustyBin:

car audio direct usually only stock stuff whats pretty good

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justinh:

but I guess you don't have to worry about it ever being nicked

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directhex|bsp:

some of us can't swap our car stereos

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hashbang:

DustyBin: be careful what you wish for; my iRiver spins the HDD constantly when it's in USB mass storage mode, so I'd prefer to have it do the decoding and simply connect via a 3.5mm stereo jack

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directhex|bsp:

some of us are stuck with cdda and no line-in

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justinh:

aww my heart _bleeds_

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DustyBin:

hashbang: im looking for a car stereo where i can connect a little hd to it via usb, and can handle ogg format playback

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directhex|bsp:

some of us go home at night and have to listen to chris evans

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justinh:

lol

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DustyBin:

lol

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justinh:

Eddie Mair ftw

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DustyBin:

chris evans used to be ace in the TFI friday days

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DustyBin:

what the hell happened to him?

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justinh:

DustyBin: true, if indeed ace == shit

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DustyBin:

lol

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justinh:

you know who we have to blame for Chris Evans even bothering? Timmy Mallet

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directhex|bsp:

chris evans was only ever being carried by the superior tallent on the big breakfast – zig & zag

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justinh:

aye

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bilbo75:

does it work .mkv files with internal player on 0.21cvs ?

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iamlindoro:

poorly

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GreyFoxx:

bilbo75: as long as you don't fast forward or rewind :)

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iamlindoro:

you can play them, but god help you if you press any keys

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justinh:

doesn't matter. only anime fans need .mkv support

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bilbo75:

it's choppy yes

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, or warezed hd

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iamlindoro:

justinh, don't forget FUCKING THIEVES

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iamlindoro:

not that the two are mutually exclusive

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GreyFoxx:

pfft. I made a mkv last night from one of my own DVD's using handbrake

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justinh:

iamlindoro: never done that AFAIK. maybe a petty shoplifter once..

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GreyFoxx:

not all mkv's are for l00sers :) though many are :)

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, presumably myth doesn't support srt subs embedded in mkv either (it doesn't support them in ogm)?

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Meant what directhex meant

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: The only support for srt's I'm aware of are if they are external files

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GreyFoxx:

not sure otherwise

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bilbo75:

is there some hack to display the OSD informations of xine/Mplayer via MythLCDserver?

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iamlindoro:

from looking at the ffmpeg dev list lately, there have been a number of improvements in both MKV and h.264 support... next ffmpeg sync ought to help quite a bit

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justinh:

bilbo75: not without patching xine/mplayer

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bilbo75:

k thx

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iamlindoro:

there's a patch for ffmpeg being battled over that adds Matroska movie poster support, subtitle and font encapsulation, etc... should be interesting when it gets pushed through

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GreyFoxx:

embedded posters? Nifty

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justinh:

battled over? just fork it

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DustyBin:

i think to get the best possible sound out of your mythtv box using a lossy format, ogg is the only way to go.

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DustyBin:

car stereo will have to just wait

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DustyBin:

and my ipod will go

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iamlindoro:

justinh, *every* patch to ffmpeg is battled over

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** directhex|bsp battles iamlindoro **

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directhex|bsp:

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!

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bilbo75:

:D

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DustyBin:

OGG FTW

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iamlindoro:

more or less ;)

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** DustyBin swings fist **

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** directhex|bsp is going to abandon vorbis **

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iamlindoro:

Ha to that... Ogg is like the Steve Buscemi of codecs

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DustyBin:

to what

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directhex|bsp:

aac, probably

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DustyBin:

mythtv box cannot play back aac like itunes can

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DustyBin:

bad move

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GreyFoxx:

"like itunes can" what do3es that mean?

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directhex|bsp:

mythmusic sucks though. and, as an example, both ps3 and xbxo 360 can

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, NFI

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DustyBin:

plus you cannot rip anything on your mythtv box, you would need to boot itunes all the time

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iamlindoro:

Whaaaaaaaaa????

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iamlindoro:

can't rip whatnow??

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, i have no idea

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DustyBin:

OGG sounds better than both AAC and MP3

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directhex|bsp:

reality went that way <----------------------------------------------

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directhex|bsp:

DustyBin, in real terms, aac, wma, and ogg are more or less equal, all of them better than mp3

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DustyBin:

f*** the car stereo, and f*** my ipod

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directhex|bsp:

and it's Ogg not OGG

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bilbo75:

last question.. :D many visualizations on MythMusic 0.21CVS look broken ,is it normal?

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justinh:

libvisual is crap. next

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iamlindoro:

No next, he said last question and we're holding him to that

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directhex|bsp:

projectm is nice for visualizationzzz

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justinh:

if you wanna see your music, take more acid

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bilbo75:

k thx to all :)

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** justinh deletes another hate email. ah well **

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GreyFoxx:

people actually send you hate mail?

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Dibblah:

It can't still be bad mood monday, can it?

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justinh:

yeah, only since I said I was discontinuing the themes

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah, For some, every day is Monday ;)

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, people are ENTITLED to justinh's themes working the way THEY want!

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justinh:

"you suck, if it wasn't for you.. ". Yeah if it wasn't for me they would never have existed

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GreyFoxx:

so it's not just "please don't discontinue" .... it's "you suck and should *define harm here*!" ?

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GreyFoxx:

bah

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, on a related note, go rent that ps3 you were talking about, you slacker!

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GreyFoxx:

fscking loosers

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GreyFoxx:

I do have to at least pretend to work during the day :)

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justinh:

maybe next one I do will just stay at home. I could post screenshots or videos to show it off though

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, work in HPC. ps3's count as work!

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** GreyFoxx gets curious and starts diffing ffmpeg r10931 to myth's libs **

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, the eric cartman marketing strategy?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, why 10931?

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justinh:

I'd be damned either way. bow out quietly, or try to at least be nice & give fair warning

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: use r11051

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justinh:

any day now humax will be getting a return they're gonna find nothing wrong with

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Dibblah:

justinh: Why?

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directhex|bsp:

(http://www.southparkzone.com/episodes/506/Cartmanland.html for reference)

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Dibblah:

You have a mains supply, right?

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Dibblah:

250v across the main CPU (small spike) does wonders for it...

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justinh:

Dibblah: it sucks donkeys. I didn't expect the Earth but by god

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justinh:

ffs not doing wilful damage

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Dibblah:

Awww... Spoil sport.

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justinh:

the shop isn't gonna check it out

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: k

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justinh:

and I still have unfinished business with mythtv anyway. like more betterer searchy searching n' snuff

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iamlindoro:

Mmmmm Moon Bloodgood is so extra hot

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justinh:

s/snuff /stuff

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justinh:

rather add core things than stupid recipe plugins & the likes. and fixing the playback wibbles will be good too

[16:38:07]

janneg:

GreyFoxx: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14902 was the last ffmpeg sync

[16:38:42]

directhex|bsp:

fix playback wibbles, make mythvideo not shitty for non-movies, bring ui eye candy up to modern expected levels. those would be nice

[16:39:09]

justinh:

couldn't give a rat's arse about eye candy

[16:39:14]

GreyFoxx:

most of the "expected levels " of eye candy are annoying and ugly

[16:39:28]

GreyFoxx:

though some animations, video in background and such would be nice

[16:39:33]

javamatte:

Does anyone know if this is possible: I just started using SPDIF out, working fine. However, when I transcode my ATSC (MPEG2) captures to save space, I'm pretty sure it's mp3-ifying the audio to 2 channel. Is there a way to transcode the video down but keep the digital audio track intact?

[16:39:34]

directhex|bsp:

so why make themes at all, if you don't care about "eye candy"?

[16:39:35]

justinh:

kill the menu fade!

[16:39:48]

directhex|bsp:

why not just use vdr-style plain text menus?

[16:40:04]

iamlindoro:

javamatte, Sure, just write your own transcode with ffmepg and use -acodec copy

[16:40:27]

justinh:

directhex|bsp:going without eye-candy doesn't mean out & out sucking like the core themes do

[16:41:14]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, i don't mean drowning myth in 3d, but some semblance of "life" beyond flipbooks and alphapulse would be good

[16:41:54]

justinh:

alphapulse & colour cycling.. yeesh

[16:42:07]

Dagmar:

I would rather the bugs go away first

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directhex|bsp:

bugs? in MY mythtv?

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: if you mean smooth scrolling, less jerky movements I might tend to agree. I don't ever want flying/rotating icons or stuff like that

[16:43:14]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, yes, i mean precisely that

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, theme-controlled menu transitions with z-ordering would be good too

[16:43:49]

javamatte:

iamlindoro, can you give me more info on what that would involve? If it's configuring some options I can probably get it to go (I've worked with myth2ipod a bit, kinda hairy but understandable)...

[16:44:01]

justinh:

if anybody ever bothers to make themes that use em

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, or... you know how xbmc will use visualizations instead of images when music is playing? it looks slick

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justinh:

people talk about 'themers' – basically that boils doiwn to 3 people if you don't count the people who ported mediaportal skins

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iamlindoro:

javamatte, More or less, that means learning ffmpeg syntax and scripting it. Or alternately, finding a script that does it already. Personally, I transcode my AC3 audio tracks to 5.1 channel AAC and all HD content to 720p h.264 in MP4 container

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, you'll hate me for saying it, but myth on win32 will bring in more of them

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: I don't care anymore

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** directhex|bsp is off **

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justinh:

but if you look at the MP skins worth a light I think there are only 2 of them

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justinh:

so there's a flaw in that somewhere :P

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javamatte:

iamlindoro, I'm going over s-video (gasp!), so I can dumb down the video pretty substantially.. my question is how to get it to use that script to transcode. I guess I skip the MythTV built-in transcoding and run a 'User Job' by default on the recordings?

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iamlindoro:

javamatte, correct, it would be a User Job

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javamatte:

oh joy, more fun with ffmpeg!

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justinh:

precisely

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justinh:

ffmpeg is fun

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javamatte:

Any chance of you sending over the script you use, iamlindoro?

[16:49:16]

iamlindoro:

It's not that bad... actually can be kind of fun once you the the hang of it, and very satisfying when you get a result that is so much better than anything you can download

[16:50:18]

iamlindoro:

Well, I'll share my script, but I do it with the understand that I will in *no way* support it or make it work

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iamlindoro:

for both my sanity and my work day :)

[16:50:59]

justinh:

well, hometimes methinks

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javamatte:

I'd love to be able to whip it up so that it automagically unletterboxes some things. I'm display on 4:3, and when one of my broadcasters does 4:3, they do it letterboxed, so I get pillars and a top boxes. What fun. I need a black detector to crop all of it off. The big fun is that some of the broadcasters do 4:3 as full 4:3. So I can't just crop at will.

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javamatte:

no support required :)

[16:51:28]

javamatte:

or at least none will be asked for. I google fairly well.

[16:51:43]

javamatte:

and I know my man page from a hole in the ground.

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iamlindoro:

ok, hang on. I think I've commented it fairly well so it should be fairly self explanatory

[16:52:10]

javamatte:

many thanks

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iamlindoro:

javamatte, http://rafb.net/p/KIIX3d66.html

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javamatte:

got it, I'll pore over it today (still have to work, unfortunately)...

[16:58:38]

javamatte:

thanks again for the help

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Huijari:

i'm trying to install the newest svn version, but it gives me http://pb.paivola.fi/492 multiple times during 'make install' and ends up not installing all the stuff

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iamlindoro:

No problem, good luck... should work pretty well for your case

[16:59:28]

iamlindoro:

Huijari, Sorta sounds like the just plain "make" didn't work...

[16:59:45]

Huijari:

iamlindoro: it did

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iamlindoro:

if you say so

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Huijari:

i've had that problem before, but setting QT_DIR correctly helped

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arschjucken:

iamlindoro: yeah i managed to build an own volumebar for mythtv with alsas softvol plugin *dances in front pc*

[17:00:23]

Huijari:

now it doesn't

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iamlindoro:

arschjucken, ah, cool, nice job

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arschjucken:

if anyone has some prob: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Softvol its pretty easy

[17:01:05]

iamlindoro:

arschjucken, now write a wiki article about it

[17:01:38]

arschjucken:

iamlindoro: ok

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iamlindoro:

arschjucken, Good! :)

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Huijari:

oh, i checked mythbackend's (one of the binaries refusing to install) Makefile and the correct variable is QTDIR, not QT_DIR :P

[17:05:42]

Huijari:

now it works

[17:06:42]

arschjucken:

iamlindoro: the wiki is just a big mess :(

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iamlindoro:

arschjucken, What in particular do you think is a mess? (I'm sure nobody would complain about you fixing errors)

[17:07:55]

iamlindoro:

Generally speaking, I agree with you, though. the wiki has been the victim of many poor writers and outdated information

[17:07:55]

arschjucken:

aaah no i dont wanna be rude or aggressive, its just missing categories

[17:08:04]

arschjucken:

hard to find stuff

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iamlindoro:

Sure. Well, like I said, I'm sure nobody would argue with improvements. I have about four or five pages that I baby and devote a lot of attention to, but no one person can do everything, of course.

[17:09:40]

arschjucken:

its most stuff in howto, so i dont know where to put my stuff etc

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quicksilver:

\o/ ATI open source drivers now support TV out

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blackest:

are they in distro yet ?

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quicksilver:

probably not

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quicksilver:

I'm not exactly clear in which driver version it started working

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quicksilver:

6.8.0 released today, 6.6.0 definitely didn't.

[17:12:09]

quicksilver:

6.7.x, probably did for some values of x

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blackest:

i've got a box that might benefiy

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blackest:

benifit

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blackest:

you know what i mean :/

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psofa:

anyone knows if progressive mpeg2 in dvb-s is common? im lazy to check my logs......

[17:14:15]

iamlindoro:

sure, that would be common

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iamlindoro:

480p and 720p, anyway

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psofa:

so it must be the damn deinterlacer that makes football streams( visibly interlaced) to be so jumpy

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iamlindoro:

You could always try another deinterlacer

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iamlindoro:

There are definitely some that work better for sports than others

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psofa:

ive tried all

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psofa:

theres some conflict or sth between deinterlacing and nvidia vsync

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iamlindoro:

That's a possibility.... you can try toggling the opengl vsync setting

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psofa:

thats what i suspect at least

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psofa:

i think ive set it to on

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psofa:

in my try various settings days

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bilbo75:

anyone already tried the new 6.8.0 xorg ati with rs690 ?

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bilbo75:

I think the answer is no lol

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iamlindoro:

Most of us have too much sense to use ATI ;)

[17:27:29]

bilbo75:

yes ,I'm using an old 6200 Nvida too

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bilbo75:

but I would like remove the closed drivers from my system

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quicksilver:

I'm with bilbo75 here

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bilbo75:

:)

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quicksilver:

I think ATI really are coming through on the driver promises

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quicksilver:

my radeon 9500 (?) does just nicely

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iamlindoro:

pass whatever you're smoking

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bilbo75:

I have also an Ati X800 GTO2,it runs very fine with radeon driver,but it's too loud hehehehe

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javamatte:

iamlindoro, looks like i've got x264 issues. I'm going to assume you have a built-from-source version of ffmpeg or the x264 libs? I'm just using the ATRPMS versions.

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iamlindoro:

javamatte, that'

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iamlindoro:

er that's correct

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javamatte:

oh! I didn't realize x264 was a separate package. Yum found a new one...i'll give it a whirl.

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Te3-BloodyIron:

for great justice move every zig

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Te3-BloodyIron:

move zig move

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javamatte:

Are all his base belong to us? :)

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iamlindoro:

in some versions vcodec is called "x264", in later versions it's "libx264," YMMV

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iamlindoro:

mmmmm, engrish.

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blackest:

have you seen microsoft has just decided to give away its development suites to students

[17:47:50]

iamlindoro:

so have I

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iamlindoro:

apt-get install build-essential

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javamatte:

heh

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blackest:

:)

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javamatte:

n

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blackest:

actually not quite free to me i need to get an nus extra card for a tenner

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blackest:

however that works as an isic card which might be worth something

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quicksilver:

iamlindoro: ?

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javamatte:

ugly... the ATRPMS version is 'sv2007blah' and my installed version is 0.0.0–0.3.20061214.fc6. Yum doesn't want to install, update or upgrade.

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iamlindoro:

quicksilver, what?

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quicksilver:

< iamlindoro> pass whatever you're smoking

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iamlindoro:

nothing released thus far by ATI has borne fruit, particularly vis a vis MythTV... not to mention all that sexy h.264 acceleration remains (and will remain) closed and unusable

[17:52:38]

iamlindoro:

Of all the Graphics chipset manufacturers, only Intel has released complete specs.

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quicksilver:

iamlindoro: the driver docs released by ATI have enabled TV out

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quicksilver:

iamlindoro: which is very fruitful vis a vis mythtv

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quicksilver:

if you're trying to drive your TV (which I am!)

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iamlindoro:

That was in progress *before* any ATI documentation release

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quicksilver:

it was, but that doesn't change the fact.

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iamlindoro:

therefore, the release of documentation changed nothing regarding TV out

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quicksilver:

it did

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quicksilver:

it made it happen

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iamlindoro:

ok boss

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iamlindoro:

conversation over, feel free to believe what you like

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quicksilver:

there was previous work, but it was done by someone who for whatever reason didn't license it for inclusion in xorg

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quicksilver:

whereas the new xorg drivers have it

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quicksilver:

that's progress in my book

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quicksilver:

small step, certainl

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quicksilver:

y

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iamlindoro:

yes dear

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quicksilver:

and furthermore work on supporting newer ATI cards has quite visibly accelerated

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iamlindoro:

BTW, tv-out support was committed to SVN in August, ATI released the driver specs on September 10th ;)

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quicksilver:

since the doc release

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levander:

After I've ripped a DVD to an iso using mythdvd, is there any automated way to re-encode it down to own of the lower quality levels available in mythdvd?

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levander:

Or, do I have to re-rip the DVD?

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quicksilver:

iamlindoro: ah, fair enough. I didn't know that.

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quicksilver:

iamlindoro: but alex deucher (sp?) was writing code under NDA in advance of the doc release, wasn't he?

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quicksilver:

iamlindoro: an NDA from which he has since been released?

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iamlindoro:

Couldn't tell you

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quicksilver:

yes, that is how you spell his name. And he is employed by AMD/ATI.

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quicksilver:

oh, but that was after sept 10th

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tgm4883_laptop:

I keep getting asked this question and dont have a good answer. what is the reasoning behind not having mythvideo, mythmusic, etc, transfer the same way as recordings between seperate machines instead of having to setup nfs?

[18:13:01]

jblack:

the pixie dust ran out too soon

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iamlindoro:

Not implemented yet. Someday, everything will be streamed.

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GreyFoxx:

tgm4883_laptop: They are intended as frontend functions and shouldn't require the backend to even be running

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GreyFoxx:

that said work is currently going on to implement a mythvideo storage group and such so that it can stream the content via the mythprotocol as well

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tgm4883_laptop:

ah ok, so it's being worked on for .22?

[18:14:49]

tgm4883_laptop:

or later

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GreyFoxx:

no version destination

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javamatte:

iamlindoro, had to bail out to mpeg4 for the moment. Transcoding a test file (6 min of HD from PBS) to see how the size difference pans out. Unfortunately, I am ssh'd in from work, so no live viewing at this point. Thanks again for the script!

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GreyFoxx:

when it done it's done

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GreyFoxx:

just not 0.21 :)

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tgm4883_laptop:

k

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GreyFoxx:

I'm happy with it the way it is

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GreyFoxx:

but I understand why it might confuse users

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geu:

hi, I recently installed knoppmyth and mounted a NFS share at /media/Filme I can access it without a problem, but all my videos are 1:1 copied DVDs which means all I see are vob files, how can I tell knoppmyth to open the DVD menu?

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tgm4883_laptop:

i'm fine with it too, but people always ask me why

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GreyFoxx:

even with recordings I play then via nfs rather than mythprotocol :)

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tgm4883_laptop:

really?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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tgm4883_laptop:

any particular reason why?

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GreyFoxx:

myth will look for the file locally first and play it if it's in the right spot

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GreyFoxx:

tgm4883_laptop: historically it was less glitchy, and again didn't require the backend to actually be running

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** jblack doesn't like nfs very much. **

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GreyFoxx:

but nowadays it's just just the way it is cause I haven't changed it

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GreyFoxx:

I mount /data/mythtv to all frontends and backends, so myth will use whichever method it can do

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GreyFoxx:

nfs if file is reacable, otherwise fallback to mythprotocol

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tgm4883_laptop:

nice

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tgm4883_laptop:

good failsafe

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iamlindoro:

javamatte, no problem... h.264 *is* one of the MPEG-4s, btw... but I assume you mean you bailed to h.263

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jblack:

Is there a way to tell myth what directory to use for libs?

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GreyFoxx:

jblack: There is a configure option I believe

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jblack:

The way I read the sources says no, but ...

[18:21:33]

jblack:

I might have missed it.

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jblack:

Ok.

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javamatte:

hmm, I used -vcodec mpeg4 and had to drop all the encopts to get it to run. Now I'm looking for a good command-line way of seeing if the resulting video is intelligible. Anyone know a good mplayer option to just view the file's format?

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jblack:

perhaps I can debug these segfaults with ./configure --enable-static --prefix=/home/jblack/mymyth --libdir-name=/home/jblack/mymyth

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iamlindoro:

ffmpeg -i filename

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jarle:

if I have xmltv data for a "channel", is there some way I can use the same xmltv data for "channel+1"? does tmoffset in the channel table have anything to do with this?

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javamatte:

wow, i feel lame.

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JohnMahowald:

Bleh static linking

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jblack:

Just trying to make gdb a little easier to cope with.

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jblack:

Also hoping to get past the distro installed myth libraries, as --libdir-name had results with libqt that I wasn't hoping for.

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jblack:

No such luck. I'm not smart enough to locally build myth such that it can sit on the same machine as an existing install

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jblack:

yeah. I can't figure this out. Can someone lend me a hand getting myth to use a directory other that /usr/lib?

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jblack:

I tried --libdir-name with configure, but using that results in myth being unable to find things such as qt

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zabadapp:

I get "DVBChan(3) Error: Unable to find channel in database." in the log when trying to record from my analog tuner. I can watch the channel in live-tv (and it does not exist on my other DVB-tuner) ... the sourceid is the same for both because most channels are the same ...

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zabadapp:

is the sourceid the way to tell myth it's a different tuner?

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jarle:

zabadapp: only if different tuner carries different channels..

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jarle:

zabadapp: inputs are used to list different inputs, while sourceid are used to list different "collections" of channels...

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PatrickDK:

like to tell the difference between my crappy analog tv station, or the hdtv tuner for the same station :)

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tgm4883_laptop:

GreyFoxx, if I could just bug you with one more question. On your setup, if the backend is off, you can still access the recordings (that are local), do they show up in watch recordings and do they still have the show data? I just want to make sure im understanding you correctly

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883_laptop, There would be no show data and you would have no access to recordings without the backend

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iamlindoro:

If they are on a local filesystem, you could play them in mplayer or something, but not in myth's recordings section

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tgm4883_laptop:

iamlindoro, thats where I was a little confused

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tgm4883_laptop:

<GreyFoxx> myth will look for the file locally first and play it if it's in the right spot

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883_laptop, That's taken out of context, I'm sure what he was saying made sense in the greater context

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tgm4883_laptop:

thats why i'm asking for clarification

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zabadapp:

jarle: why would it try to tune the dvb-card instead of the analog? when looking in the database I can't see anything else that differs between a dvb and an analog channel except for the freqid and mplexid/serviceid ... and since the error-msg indicates myth wouldn't select the correct tuner, it must be something missing in the db (i.e. all sourceid are the same, it thinks there's only one tuner?)

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883_laptop, Well, now you have an answer. In the situation you described, there would be no recordings access in myth.

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iamlindoro:

you can access all other things, like MythVideo, MythMusic, etc., assuming they're local, but not recordings.

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iamlindoro:

Ah, I see what Greyfoxx was saying... in the situation he speaks of, you would still need the backend to be up

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jams:

to me that sounded like a matter of streaming from the backend or reading from the local fs

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tgm4883_laptop:

as in the backend machine, or mythtv-backend

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iamlindoro:

He just said that he still keeps them on an NFS share, ie it will play from what it considers a local disk and, failing that, will stream

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iamlindoro:

tgm4883_laptop, mythbackend would need to be up and running, regardless of whether you're streaming them or playing them off an NFS mount in order to get show info, to get into "Watch Recordings," etc.

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tgm4883_laptop:

ah ok

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jarle:

zabadapp: I only have dvb-s in my setup, so I'm note quite sure how myth handles different input sources..

[19:05:44]

bagpuss_thecat:

I'm curious... what happened to the new version that is coming out? :-)

[19:05:56]

bagpuss_thecat:

someone in here mentioned the 8th Feb as being a possible release date

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PatrickDK:

and people are always right?

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iamlindoro:

It certainly wasn't a myth dev who said that

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iamlindoro:

It'll come out when all of the bugs assigned to .21 have been squashed

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PatrickDK:

.21 will make me very happy

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PatrickDK:

I'm just overjoyed with .20 currently

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PatrickDK:

atleast compared to when I test out .12, and compared to my replaytv

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jams:

no my knowledge feb8th was never a date kicked around by the dev team.

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PatrickDK:

.20 solves all issues I have with pvr

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jams:

to my ....

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PatrickDK:

and the storage to multible directories is just a bonus :)

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userjob-help:

hello

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jblack:

GreyFoxx: I got a backgrace on the segfault

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userjob-help:

When I try a user job, the job gets queued but nothing happens. I do not see an entry in the backend logs either. should an entry be loged there?

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userjob-help:

I am using svn trunk and can't get user jobs to work

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userjob-help:

I have tried nuvencode-xvid --nice 9 --input="%DIR%/%FILE%" and nothing is logged

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siXy:

how complex would it be to add the movies category of recorded tv to mythvideo, as well as the videos?

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iamlindoro:

userjob-help, First off, have you run the user job from the command line successfully? Secondly, are you feeding everything absolute paths? third, did you set "allow User Job 1 to Run" in mythtv-setup?

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iamlindoro:

I think your problem is probably the third item on my list.

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userjob-help:

I have tried echo "nuvencode-xvid --nice 9 --input="%DIR%/%FILE%"" >/tmp/output.txt to see what the command is being run, the file does not get created.

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iamlindoro:

userjob-help, are you even reading these responses?

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userjob-help:

yep, the command runs from cli fine

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iamlindoro:

And.... the other two things??

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userjob-help:

iamlindoro I need to check if I am allowing user job to run in mythtv-setup I guess

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iamlindoro:

gah, forget it, good luck

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userjob-help:

and maybe add /usr/local/bin/nuvexport-xvid in the user job?

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userjob-help:

I will check those and report back later

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userjob-help:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

I'll wait with baited breath

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geu:

how can I change the knoppmyth background (the penguin in front of the TV)?

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jams:

iamlindoro- if i didn't know better i'd say your really justinh

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iamlindoro:

jams, Aww, c'mon now, that *that* irritable ;) It's more like all-in-good-fun-for-me teasing ;)

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iamlindoro:

er not that

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jblack:

Ok. I'm getting a segfault in mythpainter_ogl.cpp, on line 59; realParent->makeCurrent()

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iamlindoro:

jblack, You could try using the qt painter instead... when does it segfault?

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iamlindoro:

ie, when trying to do what?

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jams:

geu- it's fluxbox,try reading their docs. it might be as easy as removing/editing ~.fluxbox/lastwallpaper.

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jblack:

That's frame 5 of the segfault. It makes less sense after that.

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alexvd_:

iamlindoro: i gave up on trying to get my digital audio working with my chaintech clone. So I just figured I would use the motherboard Intel HD audio. I plugged the optical out and it worked. BUT..... it only works for digital recordings. Analog recordings get no sound. Does that mean I have to get a custom asound file?

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jblack:

Yeah, a second segfault, at the same place.

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jblack:

MythOpenGLPainter::Begin, QGLWidget::makeCurrent(), QGLContext::makeCurrent, glXMakeCurrent, glXMakeCurrentReadSGI

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iamlindoro:

alexvd_, in general, no. It's often enough just to set audio output to the right ALSA: device in General Settings in mythfrontend (rather than leaving it "Default")

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iamlindoro:

Mine reads something like ALSA:{IEC958} or somesuch, but I'm at work and can't check.

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jblack:

I'm going to try changing the style from SGI to qt first.

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alexvd_:

iamlindoro: ok i will check that

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iamlindoro:

I think we are past the days of needing asoundrcs for the most part, but I may be wrong about that

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alexvd_:

iamlindoro: is that the exact syntax i should use. because i do have ALSA:iec958:{AES0 0x02} and that works but only for digital not analog recordings

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alexvd_:

iamlindoro: i have that for passthrough device.

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jblack:

Hmm. interesting

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jblack:

According to this backtrace, even when the painter is set as Qt, opengl is still used to a limited extent.

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splendidjim_:

hi, just wrote" 192.168.0.2:/mnt/datenbereich/erstesvolumeLieder /media/Lieder nfs auto defaults,ro,user,noexec,noauto 0 0 " but whatever I do after I typed mount -a into the bash it comes up with: line 13 is bad. . . what is my fault?

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splendidjim_:

" 192.168.0.2:/mnt/datenbereich/erstesvolume/Lieder /media/Lieder nfs defaults,ro,user,noexec,noauto 0 0 " this is it right now and it doesnt react at all

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robbins876:

that's in your fstab or what?

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splendidjim_:

japp

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justinh:

maybe bad options for nfs?

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splendidjim_:

bad options?

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justinh:

or maybe you don't have nfs stuff installed on that machine..

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sulan:

guys, I'm having three tuners configured in mythtv. While watching TV and I have a recording set, MythTV still prompts me "MythTV wants to record XXX on channel YYY. Do you want to: Watch while it records, ..., ..." – there's no option to record using one of the free tuners?

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geu:

justinh it works with mount -t nfs 192.168.0.2:/mnt/...../Lieder /media/Lieder I think you are right

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justinh:

bout time I was right about something!

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levander:

What are the permissions of the 4 directories in /var/lib/mythtv supposed to be? I think I screwed them up.

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justinh:

wth are you doing messing with permissions of those?

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geu:

justinh and you're gonna be my hero if you tell me how to change the knoppmyth wallpaper

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justinh:

geu: what wallpaper?

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levander:

I changed the directory so that it's mounted off a partition of another drive.

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justinh:

geu: the background image used on every mythtv screen?

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levander:

This is what I need. The output of 'ls -ld /var/lib/mythtv/*'

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geu:

justinh yes

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geu:

oh sry the knoppmyth one

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geu:

the penguin in front of the tele

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justinh:

geu: on which screens?

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justinh:

I don't use knoppmyth & never have so I dunno which one you're talking about

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geu:

kk no problem

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justinh:

is it one where the mythtv menus are?

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justinh:

is it a bootsplash image shown during bootup?

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geu:

it seems to be the kde background

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justinh:

never used kde for long enough to find out. right clicking usually lets you do stuff like that in gnome though

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levander:

geu: Just try right clicking on the desktop and look for something like "Properties" or "Change Desktop Background". That's how you do it in GNOME.

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justinh:

I effing hate that penguin dude

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justinh:

as mascots go..

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geu:

no seems to be fluxbox

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geu:

not kde

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jams:

geu- it's fluxbox,try reading their docs. it might be as easy as removing/editing ~.fluxbox/lastwallpaper.

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jams:

changing the style should also do it

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absalom:

Hello, after much hastle I think Ive managed to set up the db and back end, but when I run the front end it says something like "Could not connect to back-edn, are you sure its on?" The tv-show I want to watch started two minutes ago, Please help me! :(((

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Tr1p:

hi , im a mythuser but my subtitles are so BIIIG how i can set them smaller ?

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justinh:

Tr1p: if they're dvb subs, you can't change the size

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Tr1p:

it are .srt files

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justinh:

tv playback settings. subtitle sizes are set there

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justinh:

rm -rf /myth/themework

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justinh:

arse

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Tr1p:

cant find that option

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justinh:

utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback

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Tr1p:

text zoom ?

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justinh:

http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/images/osd.png

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justinh:

oops try it again

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justinh:

bah damn upload's broken

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Tr1p:

it doesent change a thing on my .avi / .srt problem

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iamlindoro:

Tr1p, are you playing said avi with myth's internal player, or by spawning mplayer?

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Tr1p:

internal

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Tr1p:

im mediatheek – play movie

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iamlindoro:

So you're telling me you can play a movie, press M, and get a Myth menu?

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iamlindoro:

and whatever mediatheek is...

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justinh:

'videos' must have been translated to 'movie'

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Tr1p:

m = mute

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justinh:

mplayer

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justinh:

not mythtv's internal player

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iamlindoro:

Tr1p, I don't think it's using internal, and therefore you need to check with mplayer

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justinh:

man mplayer

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justinh:

and I went to the trouble of uploading a screenshot for nothing :(

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** iamlindoro just *knew* he would be told it was the internal player and that it would not so :) **

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iamlindoro:

er not be

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absalom:

I cant believ it, I got it working, but how do I change channels??

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justinh:

fdgfdsgsdf

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justinh:

that was my head bashing on the keyboard

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** iamlindoro sees this one going "how come I can't change channels over S-video?" **

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absalom:

there is a channel running when I start, but when I use the up/down keys it says "adding char"...and thats it

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absalom:

anyone??

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iamlindoro:

absalom, cool down, dude, some people wait *hours* to get answers

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** justinh goes back to rearranging his directories full of crap **

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absalom:

is that so :(

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absalom:

u dont happen to sit on the answer?

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Tr1p:

so its a mplayer setting

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justinh:

now there's an idea

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iamlindoro:

I'll admit, when I see a potential troubleshooting nightmare because someone hasn't read the documentation, I won't answer because I have to do real life things like work and pay the bills and can't spend an hour teaching people myth.

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melunko:

Hi there, anybody knows where master backend IP address is stored?

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justinh:

melunko: in the database

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justinh:

the same place as everything else, Pinky

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melunko:

justinh, thanks. db addr is in mysql.txt file, I figured out backend address was similar...

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justinh:

no, the programs look for a mysql.txt file to find the database. the master backend is found by querying the database

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Tr1p:

oke its not my external Mplayer but the mplayer when i start a movie in mythtv itself

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Tr1p:

becouse in xfce mplayer the subtitles are good

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blackest:

I frickin hate pcworld they are terrible

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blackest:

i wanted to buy a EEE701 4GB black they had one on display but they wouldnt sell it they had 2 inferior white ones in the back

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blackest:

they do look good in the flesh even if the k.board is pokey

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justinh:

and the moral of the story is.. if PC World is on fire, you don't try to help extinguish the flames

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Tr1p:

mplayer xxxx -subfont-text-scale 3

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Tr1p:

is the commmand

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directhex:

justinh, moral of what story?

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justinh:

the story of anybody going to PC world with the idea that they'll be able to walk out with what they went in for

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justinh:

unless they go in expecting to be bitterly disappointed, I mean

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directhex:

oh. blackest, store policy is to discount ex-display items, and for something that sells out like the eee, they probably decided they'd rather not impact the day's profit %

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justinh:

do any of the DSG shops ever sell anything ex-display?

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directhex:

yes

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justinh:

they're bastards for that

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directhex:

part of my job when i worked there

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directhex:

sorting the display items' "crap" so it could be sold on

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justinh:

I just don't shop there as a matter of policy

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directhex:

manuals, remotes, etc

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justinh:

last time I did I was spending insurance vouchers. never again

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directhex:

if they won't sell a display item, either they CBA or they've lost the cab;les etc

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justinh:

CBA. good one

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directhex:

no eally

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justinh:

like they can ever BA

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directhex:

there is a small amount of arsedness if you go in at the right time of year

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justinh:

"woooo I'll have to go in the back & find the box". had that one before

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directhex:

that's a lie. they don't keep the boxes

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justinh:

they like lying. I've heard them

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directhex:

they keep the *contents*, but don't have the storage space for the boxes

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justinh:

what separates me from the like of them is that if I don't know, I generally say I don't know. I don't just fucking make stuff up

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directhex:

they don't lie maliciously per se, it's just they know that confidence plus clueless punter = sale

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directhex:

regardless of whether it's true, just sound confident

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directhex:

that's what they're trained for!

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justinh:

ouch

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justinh:

don't mix techs with sales eh

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directhex:

i spent 3 months at pc world aylesbury, and managed 2 formal complaints on my record

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directhex:

1) correcting a salesman who was selling a (ps/2 only) keyboard for use on a (usb-only) mac

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justinh:

for honesty / not conning ?

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directhex:

2) selling someone a pc, monitor, printer, and extended warranty package, rather than fetching a salesman who was standing by the all-in-ones talking about the fat bird he'd slept with so he could manage the sale

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directhex:

my job was 'merchandising', i.e. making the displays look right, making sure prices were correct, changing promotions as & when, etc

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directhex:

not sales. NOT sales

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justinh:

are they on a low basic & have to make sales for commission?

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directhex:

yes

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justinh:

that'd explain everything

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directhex:

well, officially, 'no'

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directhex:

and legally, 'no'

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directhex:

they don't make commission, they make 'special bonuses'

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directhex:

e.g. epson are HUGE pushers of special bonuses. sell a particular model of epson, get a fiver. model up, 7.50. next model, 10 quid

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justinh:

I hate to think about the claptrap doing the rounds now LCD TVs are all the rage

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directhex:

pc world sales staff are not trained on technical topics, nor are they expected to have any interest in tech

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justinh:

I think I'd prolly just go postal right there

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directhex:

i quit in disgust after 3 months. my manager followed suit a couple of months later

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directhex:

then i had to fight to get my final pay

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justinh:

"hello, can I help?" "do you know anything? ah, well no you can't help then"

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directhex:

they HATED me, really

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justinh:

I applied for a job in Dixons once upon a time. bloody glad I didn't get it

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directhex:

fr'example, i kept a printout of the tom's hardware vga charts, for easy reference when anyone asked me about graphics cards. "which one is good?" "well, thsi one's fifty quid, and gets here on the chart. this one's sixty, and gets double. your call"

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directhex:

they hated me because they had 100 kyro2 cards round back they couldn't shift

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justinh:

I guess that's why neither of us are multi-billionaires owning major sales empires

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justinh:

well, one of the multitude of reasons

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justinh:

;)

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directhex:

i managed to sell the store out of lcd monitors, and as a result, policies were changed banning the use of non-authorized demo material

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directhex:

they replaced 3dmark2001 looking cool on the machines with an 800x600 jerky low-res avi

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justinh:

and then on stuff they wanted to shift... ;)

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justinh:

hey it's not rocket science after all

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** justinh wonders if there are any HD demo discs floating around which just have Sky logos burnt into them for use in shops **

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directhex:

justinh, there ae photos of john lewis using hddvdrips

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justinh:

naughty

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directhex:

http://img.hexus.net/v2/lifestyle/misc/johnle . . . 52-small.JPG

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justinh:

pfff!

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siXy:

would anyone else find a way of getting recorded movies (not all tv, just movies) and videos in one screen useful?

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justinh:

nope

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siXy:

will just hack it then.

[21:46:34]

justinh:

I likes my teevee & my videees separate fankoo

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justinh:

at one point I was trying to envision a screen layout & UI scheme which 'watch recordings' and mythvideo could share. drew a blank when it came to how to code it though

[21:48:03]

justinh:

part of the 'common look & feel' philosophy

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AndyCap:

how to code it? Toss the mythprotocol. go all in on upnp server and upnp client. :P

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justinh:

good luck with that. you won't be along in wanting it, but whether it gets approval from the powers that be or not – well – just be glad it's not up to me :P

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justinh:

s/along/alone

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siXy:

well, for my hacky purposes i will just create a dummy file-type for the recorded tv, then a little sql to get names + filenames. all files played from vides with dummy type will use the mythprotocol. not hard, but inelegant

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siXy:

if lots of others wanted it i might take the trouble to do it right

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AndyCap:

siXy: if I didn't misunderstand the stuff I read here mythvideo can serve up remote video already.

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AndyCap:

siXy: not helpful if your videos live on the frontend I guess

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siXy:

AndyCap: well it uses the internal player already if thats what you mean. all that needs to be done is get the correct recordings added to the list in the video browser

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AndyCap:

siXy: ok. what I was thinking of was a separate front and backend machine and if I'm not mistaken mythvideo on the frontend can grab videos from the backend. so all that would be necessary is to use the symlinker script to drop the links in one of your mythvideo dirs.

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directhex:

mythvideo cannot access videos via mythprotocol. they need local mounting

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PatrickDK:

nfs or samba

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directhex:

pushing them over mythprotocol (or even upnp? hmm...) is planned

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AndyCap:

directhex: ok. then I did misunderstand.

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siXy:

what would be quite nice is if all films, recorded or no, used the imdb grabber to get the cover images for, and had a massive screen filling list of the titles, with the image of the selected on in a frame on the left...hmm..

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AndyCap:

relative symlinks and nfs. and mythrename was the name of the cript

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PatrickDK:

I put all my mythvideos into the recorded group, so then I can :) (atleast for mpeg ones)

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systemloc:

What are mythtv's requirements as far as a windowmanager is concerned?

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siXy:

mythtv works better with one.

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directhex:

1) window manager (preferably one that exists)

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directhex:

2) no compiz (unless you really like compiz, in which case, fine, you're the boss)

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mzb:

systemloc: I use fvwm or nothing

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mzb:

I don't (generally) have problems with focus issues as I use lirc

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systemloc:

mzb: How does lirc fix focus issues?

[22:35:30]

mzb:

it doesn't as such

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mzb:

the events are sent straight to the app in question

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mzb:

(depending on config of course)

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systemloc:

on x86 hardware, can mythvideo play quicktime .MOV files?

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directhex:

systemloc, MOV is a container format

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directhex:

systemloc, all linux players on all arches can understand the container. a bigger question is which codecs are used therein

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directhex:

systemloc, i don't know whether anyone ever reverse-engineered the old sorrenson3 codec used in many files

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systemloc:

directhex: any chance of support for sorenson and/or apple's version of mpeg4 in the .mov container

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systemloc:

directhex: are you implying that mpeg4 in a .mov is supported, then?

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directhex:

"apple's version" doesn't exist

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directhex:

h264 is h264

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systemloc:

directhex: is h264 == mpeg4 ?

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directhex:

h264 is mpeg4 part 10

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directhex:

which is what apple use

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directhex:

amongst others

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systemloc:

interesting

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mishehu:

gah. I want to put in a mini-itx front end in my living room, but it's so damn hard to find the configuration I want.

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AndyCap:

seems sorenson is apples twist on h264.

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directhex:

no, sorrenson is an OLD codec they used to use

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directhex:

back in the late ninties

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directhex:

before there *was* an mpeg4

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directhex:

mishehu, you don't want epia

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AndyCap:

directhex: svq3 to be precise.

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systemloc:

apparently, sorenson 3 (QT5) is based on H.264

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systemloc:

the older sorenson versions were not

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directhex:

so what's the point in it?

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directhex:

bah

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systemloc:

yeah, it's pretty confusing in places

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systemloc:

anyway, to my practical question.. can I use mythvideo to play h.264 content in a .MOV container?

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directhex:

yes, but don't try fast-forward or rewind. unless you run a very VERY recent subversion build

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directhex:

or you can just configure mythvideo to launch another player

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systemloc:

directhex: could you suggest another player that has better support?

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directhex:

systemloc, anything else. mythvideo is just a bit funny with mp4 and mkv containers

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directhex:

GreyFoxx is working on it

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systemloc:

awesome. thanks for the info

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BathoryQuorthon:

directhex: can we use mplayer or vlc for example as another player ?

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bradd:

i was actually just watching an mkv using the internal player and was getting very agitated ffw'ing

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bradd:

mplayer seemed to work the best for me

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rinaldi1:

hi, i just recorded a tv show. i understand that the default record for mythtv is .mpg in mpeg-2 format (correct me if im wrong) but if i try to play this on ps3 using the media server software on it, then it appears as corrupted data, other .mpg's work fine though...

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rinaldi1:

on the mythtv wiki it is also reported that the mpeg-2 files work fine when recorded using a hauppauge card (which i have)

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mishehu:

directhex: why don't I want epia c7?

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iamlindoro_:

Because the point is to play video on your mythtv system and any VIA chip is woefully ill-equipped for that task

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mishehu:

donno, i've played dvd's and such on a 1.2GHz passively cooled one. albeit I didn't actually install mythtv, I was running it from xine.

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rinaldi1:

ok if not, is there a way to change the file format videos are recorded in so they are compatible?

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iamlindoro_:

*sigh* Sometimes I wonder why we bother to help... we're not just making this stuff up out of nowhere, you know

[23:02:36]

mishehu:

iamlindoro_: because opinions are like assholes? we all got them and they all stink? ;-)

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mishehu:

I hear your opinion, apparently your needs are different than mine.

[23:03:01]

mishehu:

or your experiences were.

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iamlindoro_:

you *have* no experience with mythtv on VIA, so it's not as though you have a leg to stand on

[23:03:43]

fryfrog:

if all you'll ever do is SD and DVD playback, you'll probably be okay starting out with a crippled cpu, but some of it is going to be hard and annoying

[23:03:51]

fryfrog:

especially their chrome drivers, from what i hear

[23:03:56]

iamlindoro_:

but by all means, please *do* buy that VIA system. I won't increase my blood pressure trying to save you headaches

[23:04:19]

mishehu:

iamlindoro_: I already own several. they make good openvpn boxes that boot off of sd cards.

[23:04:32]

fryfrog:

mishehu: zounds, i need your help!

[23:04:34]

iamlindoro_:

mishehu: In what way is any of that relevant to MythTV?

[23:04:55]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, I'm checking out of this conversation, have fun

[23:05:03]

fryfrog:

mishehu: do you know if i should be able to do a "client + client's lan -> openvpn server + openvpn server's LAN" type thing?

[23:05:03]

mishehu:

iamlindoro_: good, you have a pissy attitude.

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iamlindoro_:

yes dear

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mishehu:

fryfrog: LAN-to-LAN vpn with an instance of openvpn at each location?

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fryfrog:

er, that should have been <->

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mishehu:

if so, then yes, it's actually quite easy.

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fryfrog:

mishehu: yeah

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fryfrog:

i have it *almost* totally working

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fryfrog:

so i have an openvpn server

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mishehu:

fryfrog: tun mode, with allowing it to auto-learn

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mishehu:

I'd have to look up in my config file

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fryfrog:

auto-learn?

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fryfrog:

let me look :)

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fryfrog:

basically, right now from the "client lan" i can ping the server's lan

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fryfrog:

but *not* the other way around

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fryfrog:

(and i'm using tun, routed, etc)

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mishehu:

ok, how about this about the small form factors... the alternatives that I normally see for micro-atx or mini-itx that aren't via procs are usually standard desktop procs. it seems like I have to order from overseas to get a turion or a centrino in one of them... unless somebody knows of a seller in the USA that they can refer to me.

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fryfrog:

i assume you poked around on newegg?

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mishehu:

I have, but I can't tell if they're centrino/turions or what.

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fryfrog:

and why do you want laptop cpu on a desktop? aren't there some decent low usage desktop cpus?

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mishehu:

maybe I'm not looking at the right spot on newegg.

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fryfrog:

oh, are you looking for pre-bulit or bulid your own?

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mishehu:

fryfrog: barebones would be fine.

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mishehu:

I can assemble myself of course

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fryfrog:

i dunno, i've never looked them up either, i suppose the market for "desktop" type systems running laptop parts is very small :(

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fryfrog:

any strong intel/amd preference?

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fryfrog:

shoot, i don't even know what socket a centrino or turion plug into :/

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mishehu:

generally amd because it has x86_64 (more complete than intel's implementation)

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geu:

does one of you know a knoppix channel?

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mishehu:

I haven't kept up with them. I can't drop the cpu type down to a centrino or turion on the barebones

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fryfrog:

tried #knoppix and #knoppmyth , etc?

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mishehu:

geu: I'd *guess* #knoppix

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AndyCap:

geu or /m chanserv list *knopp*

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fryfrog:

Socket S1 for Turion

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mishehu:

hhmmm

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fryfrog:

I don't see that as an option for newegg's "power search" :(

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geu:

argh. . . I tried to join #knoppix on the wrong server. . .

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fryfrog:

i hate that :)

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mishehu:

fryfrog: see what I mean? hard to find it

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fryfrog:

yeah, for sure :(

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fryfrog:

i think i'd just build a normal system with a desktop cpu

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fryfrog:

but pick a low wattage / usage desktop cpu

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fryfrog:

Intel looks like "Socket M"

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mishehu:

socket m is for centrino?

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cafuego:

centrino is a chipset

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mishehu:

ok, pentium mobile

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mishehu:

I forgot the -pedantic switch ;-)

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cafuego:

feh

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fryfrog:

centrino isn't even really a chipset

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fryfrog:

it is more of a specificication saying "youll have a wireless network card, an intel chipset and an intel cpu"

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fryfrog:

or something like that

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fryfrog:

it would appear there is also a "Socket P"

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fryfrog:

It launched on May 9, 2007, as part of the Santa Rosa platform. Socket P has 478 pins, but is not pin-compatible with Socket M or Socket 478.

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mzb:

look for MoTD (I think that's right)

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mzb:

s/MoDT

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mishehu:

what's MoDT?

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mzb:

ie: http://modt.aopen.com/

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mzb:

mobile on desktop

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mzb:

number of cases and platforms

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mzb:

not just aopen

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mzb:

(although they started it afaik)

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AndyCap:

http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/289147.htm I guess one needs to be a reseller

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mzb:

many cases (inc. Silverstone) are now quoting MoDT compatibility

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fryfrog:

ahhH!

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mishehu:

silverstone?

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mzb:

http://www.silverstonetek.com

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AcTiVaTe:

ello

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AcTiVaTe:

I am not able to start LiveTV or watch recordings but I can listen to music and watch movies. Whenever I try one of the 1st it asks me if the db is running. But it has to be running in order to play the music and the movies, right?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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iamlindoro:

you can play music and movies without the db/backend... TV requires it.

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AcTiVaTe:

But when I check it, it says it is running

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iamlindoro:

*what* says it's running?

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clever:

i thought mythvideo kept the list of files in the db

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clever:

and the config

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AcTiVaTe:

Hmz, now it says dead but pid file exists :/

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iamlindoro:

clever: Not if you're browsing in file system mode

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clever:

the the setting to do that is kept in the db!

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iamlindoro:

clever: It works fine without the DB, what is it you want me to tell you?

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AcTiVaTe:

Ow nm, must be a mysql.txt thingie somewhere

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clever:

i'll take your word for it:)

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directhex:

i should carry on with my epia review, but i wanted an early night

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Not to worry, you'll just take a load of attitude if you try to help anyway

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directhex:

iamlindoro, i've been told i can't just write the word "fuck" 3000 times, unfortunately. it would be informative, given the hardware

[23:41:25]

iamlindoro:

And let's not forget the no less apt "fucked"

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directhex:

heh

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directhex:

i still only see one target market, and i think there are maybe 3 people in it

[23:42:19]

iamlindoro:

Don't be silly, there are tons of people with more money than sense

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directhex:

iamlindoro, no really. it's worthless for desktop or media, so is essentially only for embedded use. but it's far too expensive and power-hungry for most embedded peeps (who use mips, m68k, arm, ppc). the only target market i can spot is people making windows xp embedded devices the size of a 2.5" hard disk

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iamlindoro:

directhex: The idea of an HTPC being silent and cool isn't lost on me, it's the cycle of asking a question and not liking the answer, ending in an argument that gets old.

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directhex:

iamlindoro, silent and cool is fine, but epia can't fulfil that

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rinaldi1:

there have been problems playing back mpeg-2 recordings over upnp to ps3 since firmware 2.10. how can i report it or has anyone found a fix since?

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directhex:

riddlebox, bitch at sony for breaking it, or tickle GreyFoxx who is grand high priest of upnp

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riddlebox:

directhex, ?

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directhex:

iamlindoro, i mean, christ, you're meant to compile a special via-only mplayer hack (which segfaults on use) just to make mpeg4 playback possible. how useful is that if you're not sat there launching mplayer manually?

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rinaldi1:

riddlebox: i think he meant me

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Preaching to the converted ;)

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riddlebox:

hehe I thought so

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directhex:

iamlindoro, bah. i'm just annoyed. i always get sent "dumb" tech to review. e.g. lovely 5.1 speakers with only stereo input

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

*that's* funny

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directhex:

designed for use with games consoles! supports dolby pro logic 1!

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rinaldi1:

directhex: i've been at sony for a while, rather annoying, now every time i record something i have to put it on a flash drive and plug it into ps3 :'(

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directhex:

rinaldi1, you mean it plays recordings locally but not networked?

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iamlindoro:

directhex: I must admit the "Hiper" systems are awfully nice. Only down side is the ATI graphics. Maybe if they ever get their act together I'll buy one

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iamlindoro:

directhex: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . p;Descriptio

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rinaldi1:

directhex: yes, i've read about this before so its not just me... just recorded a program but it comes up as "corrupted data" over the network, but from the drive it works just fine

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iamlindoro:

And in exactly STB form factor? Very, very nice. Just those damn ATI graphics...

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directhex:

rinaldi1, fuckers! that's gonna be intentional!

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directhex:

rinaldi1, the 360 does the same thing, on purpose!

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iamlindoro:

I say blame GreyFoxx ;)

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rinaldi1:

directhex: i can't see what theyd have against it...

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mzb:

if you only want a frontend, I guess the Hiper would be ok ... just but nv graphics in ;)

[23:56:02]

mzb:

maybe use USB tuners if combined? (and desperate)

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mzb:

s/just but/just put/

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iamlindoro:

mzb: Yup... too bad they dumped the nv with this newer model :(

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mzb:

yeah

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mzb:

hopefully I'll be playing with this soon: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_cont . . . amp;area=usa

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iamlindoro:

sorta defeats the purpose of having the nice integrated HDMI, but it's true, it could be done

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mzb:

but that's stage 1b ;)

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mzb:

need to get mobo + cpu first ... "customer" is notoriously unreliable and tends to let project slip through the cracks ... we'll see

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mzb:

*projects

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directhex:

reckon i'll save money & go mini

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