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| [00:00:13] | justinh: | how many aharrrs is that? |
| [00:00:38] | directhex: | justinh, it's not leasehold. very very long story |
| [00:01:04] | justinh: | well that's good anyway. one less thing to pay |
| [00:03:57] | directhex: | except freehold means paying buildings insurance |
| [00:04:17] | justinh: | and you don't with leasehold? |
| [00:04:47] | justinh: | so if your house burns down when it's on leasehold land the landowner pays for the rebuild? |
| [00:05:58] | directhex: | yes |
| [00:06:01] | directhex: | that's the norm |
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| [00:06:40] | justinh: | wow. didn't know that |
| [00:07:07] | directhex: | well it's not "your house" if it's leasehold. so you can't insure it |
| [00:07:56] | EnderTheThird: | Any of you guys using Cyberai's plugin for movie trailers? |
| [00:08:14] | justinh: | EnderTheThird: it's not a plugin |
| [00:09:01] | EnderTheThird: | err, you know what i mean. i'm trying it out now, and i'm wondering how many freaking trailers this thing downloads. holy crap. |
| [00:09:16] | justinh: | loads |
| [00:09:17] | directhex: | EnderTheThird, about 1100 |
| [00:09:28] | EnderTheThird: | directhex: sarcasm... i hope |
| [00:09:30] | justinh: | best not to bother with it IMHO |
| [00:09:32] | directhex: | assuming parity with the xbmc plugin |
| [00:09:44] | justinh: | he's not making it up. it sounds about right |
| [00:09:46] | directhex: | s/plugin/script/blahblahblah |
| [00:10:03] | EnderTheThird: | i'm gonna run out of HDD space pretty damned quick with 1080p stuff being downloaded. crap. |
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| [00:28:25] | EnderTheThird: | justinh: you know of any other projects to have trailers played via Myth? |
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| [00:31:15] | justinh: | EnderTheThird: only the one I'd have a go at writing if I was interested in watching trailers |
| [00:32:11] | justinh: | on my 'todo' list is trying to make a plugin that plays stuff, just for the hell of it |
| [00:32:27] | justinh: | but til then I have other things to get on with |
| [00:33:44] | justinh: | AFAIK nobody has yet acheived the ideal – which'd be to start playing the media as soon as there's enough buffer. everything else I've seen downloads the whole thing first |
| [00:34:58] | justinh: | you don't have to wait when you use quacktime... |
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| [00:36:44] | directhex: | quacktime is SMRT! |
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| [00:37:43] | directhex: | it's not enormously difficult. download for 5 seconds, work out bitrate, total file size, and download rate. do 2 lines of bad maths, start playing after X seconds of downloading |
| [00:37:57] | justinh: | should be simple enough in theory. start downloading the file. wait til there's a given amount of file, play the file. if you're near the end of the stream, pause... |
| [00:38:25] | justinh: | almost snap! |
| [00:38:40] | directhex: | 'given amount' is risky. hence working out download rate versus playback rate |
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| [00:38:51] | justinh: | aye |
| [00:38:54] | justinh: | good plan |
| [00:39:09] | directhex: | i am so smrt! |
| [00:39:24] | justinh: | how hard can it be to use myth's internal player? it's not like there aren't any examples of it knocking around... |
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| [00:40:41] | directhex: | aren't apple trailers mp4? |
| [00:40:48] | justinh: | aye |
| [00:41:21] | directhex: | Internal probably isn't gonno go far then |
| [00:41:33] | justinh: | plugins which use external player code won't be welcomed with open arms I suspect |
| [00:42:23] | justinh: | calling external players is one thing – reinventing the wheel & having its own player is what got mythstream its unofficial status IIRC |
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| [00:43:48] | justinh: | but – the internal player isn't gonna suck at mp4 forever |
| [00:43:59] | justinh: | well, one can hope anyway ;) |
| [00:44:37] | justinh: | directhex: what was it doing for you btw? |
| [00:44:58] | directhex: | justinh, throwing odd buffer messages.let me try my frontend log |
| [00:45:30] | directhex: | " NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times" |
| [00:45:49] | justinh: | my epia's favourite line! |
| [00:46:08] | directhex: | it never actually starts playback |
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| [00:46:28] | directhex: | something about the file isn't getting demuxed & parsed |
| [00:46:39] | justinh: | possibly aye |
| [00:47:07] | directhex: | mplayer is happy though |
| [00:47:13] | directhex: | and ffplay, before you ask |
| [00:47:50] | justinh: | yeh remember you saying. and ffmpeg is quite old you reckon. but then – is it still older than the last myth sync to ffmpeg? ;) |
| [00:47:59] | justinh: | presumably it is |
| [00:48:29] | directhex: | svn from 20070307 |
| [00:48:43] | justinh: | were the files HD or something? |
| [00:48:46] | directhex: | no |
| [00:48:50] | justinh: | eep |
| [00:49:10] | directhex: | 640x360 |
| [00:49:10] | justinh: | and even if you didn't have aac support it should still give you working video |
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| [00:55:38] | Tanthrix: | directhex: Never underestimate myth's ability to NOT play something that mplayer does perfectly. |
| [00:56:13] | ** Tanthrix wants to know what the hell is in the internal player that causes so many mysterious buffering issues ** | |
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| [00:56:50] | Tanthrix: | justinh: By the way, you're running ubuntu nowdays right? |
| [00:57:17] | Hannibal-: | my only issue is the channel scanner; it hates me – constant segfaults =\ |
| [00:57:43] | Tanthrix: | Hannibal-: It's pretty buggy. What card are you using? |
| [00:57:54] | Hannibal-: | tuner or video? |
| [00:57:57] | Tanthrix: | Tuner. |
| [00:58:13] | Hannibal-: | well, i have an Air2PC / AirStar first generation card |
| [00:58:18] | Hannibal-: | and an HDHomeRun |
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| [00:58:43] | Tanthrix: | I had the issue with an A180. Segfaulted on any channel scans. Had to do everything manually in the db. |
| [00:58:56] | Hannibal-: | other than scans it's fine |
| [00:58:59] | Tanthrix: | Upgrading to the latest trunk seemed to fix it more or less. |
| [00:59:09] | Hannibal-: | you can scan with the most recent trunk? |
| [00:59:20] | Hannibal-: | i seem to only be able to scan with 0.20-fixes. |
| [00:59:31] | Hannibal-: | (not 0.21-fixes, or trunk as of a week or so ago) |
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| [01:01:57] | justinh: | Tanthrix: who wants to know? it's largely irrelevant |
| [01:02:59] | Tanthrix: | justinh: I'm fed up with Arch Linux (due to some recent developments) and switching I think. Just wanted to know if you were happy overall, and also if there was any particular reason you went with reguler ubuntu over mythbuntu? |
| [01:03:21] | justinh: | mythbuntu wasn't around |
| [01:03:34] | MavT: | greetings |
| [01:03:42] | justinh: | and my dapper box has suited my needs just fine on my backend |
| [01:03:57] | justinh: | the new frontend is mythbuntu but FWIW it could be any-buntu |
| [01:04:16] | Tanthrix: | Aye, seems like it's not that important of an issue. |
| [01:04:20] | justinh: | went diskless & build mythtv myself |
| [01:05:02] | MavT: | building myth trunk from scratch is quite straightforward on *ubuntu |
| [01:05:20] | MavT: | I have 3 different versions of ubuntu running myth in some form or other |
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| [01:06:06] | justinh: | MavT: build-dep <3 |
| [01:07:14] | MavT: | justinh: I did a bit of playing about with DVD after chatting to you yesterday |
| [01:08:28] | MavT: | when running 'CPU--' playback profile I end up with a lot of audio underruns, particular in heavily animated menus |
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| [01:08:56] | justinh: | ahhh |
| [01:09:39] | justinh: | I used to enjoy dvd menu navigation & would knock mplayer for not being able to do it but now I couldn't care for it |
| [01:09:59] | justinh: | just play the effing film |
| [01:10:06] | directhex: | i like dvd menu navigation, as long as i can skip "operation not allowed" trailers |
| [01:10:21] | EnderTheThird: | menus are great until you realize that you don't give a damn about them and you just want to skip all the BS and watch the movie |
| [01:10:29] | justinh: | some dvd authors should be taken out & shot though |
| [01:10:43] | EnderTheThird: | i hate that operation not allowed crap |
| [01:10:59] | justinh: | never a problem in software dvd players though |
| [01:11:13] | justinh: | well not OSS players ;) |
| [01:11:22] | MavT: | :p |
| [01:12:29] | EnderTheThird: | i haven't had much luck with dvd on svn lately, but one thing i do like about dvd is the simplicity of a standalone player |
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| [01:12:50] | directhex: | i'll endure the crap as long as the dics is well mastered |
| [01:13:05] | MavT: | I have had trouble getting my remote to play ball in a standalone player |
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| [01:14:36] | EnderTheThird: | audio on HD discs has been a whore though. i wish they normalized those things at least a little. i wake the dead whenever there's something other than dialogue being played |
| [01:15:15] | justinh: | I was under the impression everybody took care of mastering these days |
| [01:15:20] | rushfan: | Man I thought DVDs were bad |
| [01:15:26] | rushfan: | Does it honestly get worse on HD discs? |
| [01:15:35] | MavT: | http://pastebin.com/d1e51c975 <<< frontend log from 'Johnny English' menu |
| [01:15:40] | rushfan: | I get really pissed off at how some things are blaring loud and other parts of are dead silent |
| [01:15:46] | rushfan: | its funny because CDs have the opposite problem |
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| [01:16:29] | justinh: | udioOutput Warning: Mixer attach error -2: No such file or directory |
| [01:16:38] | MavT: | hmmmm, yeah just notcied that as well |
| [01:16:55] | EnderTheThird: | i watched Harry Potter and had to keep my hand on the remote the whole damned time. it kinda ruined the movie for me |
| [01:17:07] | justinh: | EnderTheThird: night mode ;) |
| [01:17:09] | EnderTheThird: | wouldn't be as bad if it weren't for neighbors in the apt |
| [01:17:20] | MavT: | it should be ALSA:default |
| [01:17:23] | EnderTheThird: | yeah, i need to adjust the settings on the receiver |
| [01:17:56] | directhex: | EnderTheThird, could be worse. did you see the pirates of the caribbean blu-ray master? |
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| [01:18:26] | justinh: | so now even discs have to be THX certified? :P |
| [01:18:50] | directhex: | the monkeys are listening! |
| [01:19:35] | justinh: | EnderTheThird: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/316559&nbs p;– not holding my breath though |
| [01:23:34] | MavT: | justinh: fixed the mixer back to ALSA:default |
| [01:23:46] | MavT: | log looks the same now, minus the error :| |
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| [01:30:28] | vontrapp: | is it possible to make a particular show/group have different default commercial skip settings? |
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| [01:31:43] | Woosta: | How do I get the mythtv user to be automatically logged in on boot and then start mythfrontend? |
| [01:32:47] | justinh: | vontrapp: don't think so, though some playback group stuff is customisable. look there |
| [01:32:56] | EnderTheThird: | woosta: what distro are you running? |
| [01:34:06] | ** MavT grumbles – Johnny English is burping and skipping in menu on all Playback Profile settings ** | |
| [01:35:15] | justinh: | MavT: anyway you do realise you've admitted owning that film in a logged channel :P |
| [01:35:20] | justinh: | twice now |
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| [01:35:58] | justinh: | lol |
| [01:36:19] | MavT: | you've not seen my entire DVD collection ;) |
| [01:36:45] | directhex: | justinh, could be worse |
| [01:36:47] | justinh: | there's a copy of one each of the Lion King DVDs in this house & they're not mine guv, honest |
| [01:37:02] | MavT: | haha |
| [01:37:25] | justinh: | still waiting for somebody to buy me an American Dad box set |
| [01:37:26] | vontrapp: | Woosta: for running mythfrontend, you write a little script and call it .xinitrc |
| [01:37:41] | ** directhex owns the powerpuff girls movie ** | |
| [01:38:13] | vontrapp: | or if you run gnome or the like, put it in your startup session |
| [01:38:16] | justinh: | directhex: I'd fess up to that. most of the stuff goes _way_ over kids heads |
| [01:38:27] | vontrapp: | Woosta: then configure gdm to autologin |
| [01:38:31] | MavT: | inumerable seaons of Gilmore Girls reside in our DVD rack, but my wife will be going to gaol for that ! |
| [01:38:41] | justinh: | :-O |
| [01:38:47] | justinh: | could be worse |
| [01:39:02] | justinh: | could be F r i e .. I can't even say it |
| [01:39:27] | MavT: | myth is taping them for my daughter at the rate of one a day at the moment from off the air :o |
| [01:39:29] | justinh: | favourite episode, 'the one where Ross goes "muhhhhhhhhhhh"' |
| [01:39:32] | directhex: | justinh, i still haven't done a double-take as much as when i heard the powerpuff girls discussing bollocks on cartoon network |
| [01:39:52] | justinh: | I like to narrow it down some don't I? :P ^^^^^ |
| [01:39:59] | MavT: | hahah |
| [01:40:25] | rushfan: | crap I remember them powerpuff girls |
| [01:40:30] | justinh: | directhex: fave baddie? dunno why but I'd have to say 'Him' |
| [01:40:38] | rushfan: | they're from like 10 years ago, arent they? |
| [01:40:41] | directhex: | the girls are arguing over the gender of a squirrel. the parting (winning) argument for it being a girl is because squirrels *eat* nuts. emphasis theirs |
| [01:40:44] | justinh: | rushfan: probably |
| [01:40:59] | MavT: | what's a good starting point for external DVD player ? |
| [01:41:07] | directhex: | justinh, being named "jo", how many options do i have? though 'him' is probably the most disconcerting |
| [01:41:11] | MavT: | I might have to have a play this afternoon |
| [01:41:40] | justinh: | rushfan: cartoons have lost their oomph recently, what little I've seen of them. where's the new generation Cow & Chicken? |
| [01:42:04] | rushfan: | Cow and Chicken? |
| [01:42:06] | rushfan: | I was never a cartoon fan |
| [01:42:16] | rushfan: | I grew up watching MTV and the News |
| [01:42:18] | rushfan: | I was an odd child |
| [01:42:28] | justinh: | Cow & Chicken – like a latter day Ren & Stimpy |
| [01:42:30] | directhex: | justinh, i still need a Samurai Jack box set. that shit's beautifully drawn |
| [01:42:58] | justinh: | god, ren & stimpy.. whatever happened to them I wonder? |
| [01:43:04] | rushfan: | yeah |
| [01:43:09] | rushfan: | and that one australian animal thing |
| [01:43:12] | rushfan: | Rocco's Modern Life |
| [01:43:19] | directhex: | justinh, legal wrangling, and fights with nickelodeon. see also: invader zim |
| [01:43:28] | justinh: | aha yeah |
| [01:43:36] | justdave: | they redid powerpuff girls as an anime recently. girls are middle-schoolers instead of kindergarteners. it's more kid-friendly than the original, too |
| [01:43:40] | justinh: | hell I miss the Cartoon Network |
| [01:43:47] | rushfan: | Isnt it still around? |
| [01:43:56] | directhex: | justinh, nick have a horrible habit of signing up cartoons that kids don't really get but stoned adults go mad for. they absolutely fucking hate it when that happens |
| [01:43:57] | rushfan: | I watch Futurama on their adult swim thing |
| [01:44:01] | justinh: | used to be FTA on analogue satellite back in the day |
| [01:44:05] | directhex: | CN is going from strength to strength |
| [01:44:24] | directhex: | justdave, i refuse to acknowledge that show exists |
| [01:44:34] | justinh: | whole Sundays would vanish in a Dexter's Lab marathon |
| [01:44:38] | justdave: | heh |
| [01:45:15] | directhex: | i generally love mccracken & tartarovsky's bold snimation style |
| [01:45:40] | directhex: | dexter's lab, powerpuff girls, etc. i love the flat shading |
| [01:45:51] | directhex: | it's pretty iconic |
| [01:45:54] | justinh: | yeah I'm fond of all the pastiches they do too |
| [01:46:07] | justinh: | even the titles are all different |
| [01:46:42] | justinh: | not like cartoons when I was a kid. same sound fx, same backgrounds.. same voices.. pfft |
| [01:48:01] | DustyBin: | justinh: do you have a modeline similar to this when using s-video: ModeLine "768x576@50" 29.5 768 789 858 944 576 581 586 625 -hsync -vsync |
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| [01:48:08] | directhex: | epic win: http://cmcc.deviantart.com/ |
| [01:48:09] | a1fa: | anything new in mythtv land? |
| [01:48:16] | directhex: | craig mccraken's art page |
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| [01:49:07] | justinh: | a1fa: open some tickets. that's gonna make some new stuff |
| [01:49:25] | directhex: | history! http://cmcc.deviantart.com/art/1st-PPG-Drawing-75162491 |
| [01:49:53] | DustyBin: | Option "TVStandard" "PAL-I" <-- does this automatically set the s-video resolution? |
| [01:49:57] | justinh: | fack it. can't work out what I've missed out in the includes for setContext to work. and it's late |
| [01:50:13] | a1fa: | i'll buy you buear justinh |
| [01:50:17] | a1fa: | buear lol |
| [01:50:29] | a1fa: | bear i mean |
| [01:50:30] | a1fa: | eeeeee.. beer |
| [01:50:31] | rushfan: | beer |
| [01:50:33] | justinh: | DustyBin: it'll set the tvout encoder resolution, not X |
| [01:51:12] | DustyBin: | right ok |
| [01:51:13] | justinh: | beer? what am I sposed to have done? anything good? |
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| [01:51:36] | DustyBin: | justinh: ill include something like this: Modes "720x576" "480x576" "350x576" "360x288" "352x288" |
| [01:51:41] | justinh: | if anything I owe people beers for announcing some of my themes are gonna be put to pasture after 0.21 |
| [01:52:37] | a1fa: | mythtv needs to be more like apple-tv |
| [01:52:38] | ** a1fa ducks ** | |
| [01:52:46] | a1fa: | i kid — i kid |
| [01:52:58] | DustyBin: | apple tv was a failure, even steve jobs admitted it |
| [01:53:08] | directhex: | interesting. tartakovsky is directing a sequel to 1980s puppet fantasy film The Dark Crystal |
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| [01:54:02] | justinh: | a1fa: ahh you mean with a UI that slows the user down? er.. |
| [01:54:31] | ** DustyBin will send justinh £100 if he pastes his s-video xorg.conf :D ** | |
| [01:54:38] | a1fa: | ;) |
| [01:54:41] | a1fa: | i was kidding |
| [01:54:44] | justinh: | DustyBin: no use to you- it's for Intel |
| [01:54:51] | DustyBin: | oh ok |
| [01:55:00] | justinh: | DustyBin: you're on the right track btw |
| [01:55:26] | DustyBin: | justinh: im now using new 24" widescreen crt, im getting noise in reds like you |
| [01:55:41] | DustyBin: | but it seems to be worse at certain screen sizes |
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| [01:56:20] | justinh: | a1fa: far be it from me to blow my own trumpet but mythtv 0.21 will have a much easier way to adjust the GUI size. meh. coding seems much more rewarding than theming ever was at the moment |
| [01:57:03] | directhex: | it's bedtime! |
| [01:57:16] | a1fa: | cool |
| [01:57:26] | a1fa: | i am running svn.. so i cant wait |
| [01:57:29] | justinh: | I can cut & paste! |
| [01:57:37] | a1fa: | to beta test that crap |
| [01:57:48] | a1fa: | i even put an overkill card on my mythtv box |
| [01:57:56] | justinh: | a1fa: it was mythappearance – now the screen setup wizards |
| [01:58:25] | justinh: | and before you think about testing it & pointing out the limitations, it's because a qt app can't draw outside of its own window, k |
| [01:58:54] | a1fa: | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7600 GS (rev a2) |
| [01:58:56] | justinh: | and you can only change the size so much – figured the limits were reasonable overscan distances |
| [01:59:21] | justinh: | btw multirec rocks quite a bit |
| [01:59:42] | DustyBin: | justinh: have you ever considered using vga >> scart ? |
| [02:00:02] | a1fa: | justdave: this is kind of like the thing xbox xbmc has |
| [02:00:20] | DustyBin: | "The 'TV out' on most graphics cards produces a less than acceptable picture and has 'hardware locked' resolutions/refresh rates. Using the VGA (RGB) out allows you to have total control." |
| [02:00:24] | ** justinh whistles quietly ** | |
| [02:00:40] | DustyBin: | "This method will achieve, by far, the best result when outputting to a SD TV. The picture quality will be equal or better than that of a digibox and motion problems (unsmooth news tickers & camera 'pans') linked with resolution and refresh rates can be fine tuned with modelines. You will need to have an RGB capable SCART input on your TV." |
| [02:00:41] | justinh: | DustyBin: I suggested it earlier but have never tried it |
| [02:01:02] | justinh: | DustyBin: assuming interlaced modes work in the VGA driver then yeah |
| [02:01:11] | DustyBin: | that sounds seriously good |
| [02:01:12] | a1fa: | http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:870GRw96 . . . 19&gl=us |
| [02:01:20] | a1fa: | hehehe |
| [02:01:21] | DustyBin: | justinh: that might put a end to your noise problems on red |
| [02:01:27] | a1fa: | nice justinh |
| [02:01:30] | a1fa: | we needed that dude |
| [02:01:31] | justinh: | DustyBin: I can live with it |
| [02:01:45] | justinh: | a1fa: *I* needed that since I started using mythtv |
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| [02:02:13] | DustyBin: | "The picture quality will be equal or better than that of a digibox" <-- i really do like the sound of that |
| [02:02:14] | a1fa: | i owe you beer now |
| [02:02:22] | justinh: | DustyBin: YMMV |
| [02:02:28] | ** DustyBin googles ** | |
| [02:02:37] | directhex: | IANAL. IDDQD. BBQ. |
| [02:03:27] | a1fa: | justinh: i am debating on doing surround sound (+dvd player) through my mythtv box |
| [02:03:30] | a1fa: | talk me out of it |
| [02:03:37] | justinh: | a1fa: for a mere couple hundred lines of code? rofl. you must owe the real devs a few breweries |
| [02:04:06] | justinh: | a1fa: get a digital AV receiver man |
| [02:04:23] | a1fa: | kind of like? |
| [02:05:20] | DustyBin: | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-M-SCART-LEAD-TO-15-PI . . . d=p1638.m124 |
| [02:05:25] | DustyBin: | perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [02:06:11] | a1fa: | ewww |
| [02:06:12] | a1fa: | SCART? |
| [02:06:23] | a1fa: | EWWW! |
| [02:06:40] | iamlindoro_: | *Female* VGA to S-cart |
| [02:07:52] | a1fa: | MythUI looks promising |
| [02:08:05] | DustyBin: | this is the one: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hama-SCART-To-VGA-cable/dp/B0002W69MY |
| [02:08:07] | a1fa: | <cough>apple</cough> |
| [02:09:19] | DustyBin: | here in UK everything is low-res, we dont need HD anything at the moment |
| [02:09:29] | DustyBin: | HD READY NOT |
| [02:09:51] | DustyBin: | unless one has sky or plays silly game consoles like the ps3 |
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| [02:10:35] | DustyBin: | o_0 |
| [02:10:37] | DustyBin: | "Warning: These converters do not change the refresh rate or frequency of the signal from your graphics card. They will only work providing you supply the TV with the correct screen modes. If you try to send 'monitor' screen modes to the TV you may damage it." |
| [02:11:45] | DustyBin: | this is a SERIOUSLY good link |
| [02:11:48] | DustyBin: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_X_for_MythTV |
| [02:14:48] | a1fa: | so |
| [02:14:57] | DustyBin: | WTF is this, all this shit i never knew about |
| [02:14:59] | DustyBin: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV_in_Framebuffer |
| [02:15:34] | a1fa: | why is mythtv so slow in deleting shows or browsing through guide? |
| [02:15:41] | a1fa: | it pisses me off sometimes |
| [02:16:08] | justinh: | slow? not slow |
| [02:16:25] | justinh: | DustyBin: you'll have to DIY to do VGA to SCART |
| [02:16:37] | justinh: | those cables aren't the ones you're looking for |
| [02:17:30] | a1fa: | not slow? |
| [02:17:33] | a1fa: | for you maybe.. svn |
| [02:17:54] | justinh: | a1fa: not running trunk on my production system |
| [02:19:02] | justinh: | a1fa: oyay almost forgot about http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/images/1.jpg 2.jpg 3.jpg 4.jpg I have waiting in the wings too. enable autoexpire to be set/unset on playlists |
| [02:19:42] | justinh: | won't make it into 0.21 now though |
| [02:20:16] | justinh: | wish I'd picked up the code hammer sooner now |
| [02:20:28] | justinh: | 'stead of wasting time on themes |
| [02:20:36] | justinh: | *poxy* themes |
| [02:20:42] | DustyBin: | justinh: do these resolutions mean: 800x576 = 16:9 and 768x576 = 4:3 ? |
| [02:21:00] | justinh: | DustyBin: the pixels aren't square |
| [02:21:18] | DustyBin: | no there not |
| [02:21:21] | justinh: | no need to run X in a 16:9 res |
| [02:21:38] | justinh: | I run at 720x576 & hack DISPLAYSIZE |
| [02:21:48] | DustyBin: | so 768x576 PAL is actually a wide screen resolution |
| [02:21:54] | justinh: | since the tv encoder scales it all anyway |
| [02:21:58] | DustyBin: | ok |
| [02:22:26] | justinh: | I need bed |
| [02:22:29] | justinh: | g'night |
| [02:22:32] | DustyBin: | imagine how sharp and clear my reds will be if i use a vga to scart |
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| [02:33:29] | a1fa: | scart sux |
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| [03:04:14] | clever: | wtf |
| [03:04:22] | clever: | the dbhostname in mysql.txt reset itself to nothing! |
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| [03:07:16] | clever: | http://clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/mythtv/Scre . . . tv-setup.png |
| [03:07:22] | clever: | the buttons are being cut off:O |
| [03:09:28] | clever: | the cutoff depends on which menu im on |
| [03:09:41] | jams: | there are several screens like that |
| [03:09:52] | jams: | at least for 800x600 |
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| [03:10:02] | clever: | 640x480! |
| [03:10:30] | clever: | im runing it in a small window so i can use some of the screen while watching |
| [03:10:38] | clever: | but i dont go into the settings much so it isnt a problem |
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| [03:37:08] | Coded1: | im looking to put together a HTPC with myth, what kind of configuration should I be looking for to handle 1080p video and some light games? |
| [03:37:54] | Coded1: | and I also hear the PS3 runs linux, is there a flavor of Myth that runs on the ps3? |
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| [03:39:41] | adante: | Coded1: i think the wiki has some examples of system configurations and their capabilities |
| [03:40:01] | Coded1: | cool thx |
| [03:40:26] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD_Playback_Reports |
| [03:40:30] | adante: | that said ottomh i think 1080p requires a pretty beefy c2d at least |
| [03:41:12] | iamlindoro_: | The short short answer is that it depends on what type of 1080p you're playing... downloaded stuff will play with multithreaded mplayer on most C2Ds... real Blu-ray rips straight off the disk are going to take a C2D 2.2 Ghz or better |
| [03:42:31] | iamlindoro_: | and even with, say, an E4500 2.2 Ghz, to play Blu-ray bitrate 1080p, you're going to need to use mplayer with threads=2 and skiploopfilter, and then it will *juuuuust* barely play |
| [03:43:14] | Coded1: | any experience with the ps3? |
| [03:43:51] | iamlindoro_: | theoretically you could compile myth for PS3 Linux, but I wouldn't mess with that, performance is bound to be poor, and you'd be limited to USB capture devices |
| [03:44:14] | iamlindoro_: | I have sincere doubts about managing 1080 playback from it at any point in the near future |
| [03:45:12] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: What distro do you use? I've come to agree with you that Arch is a pain in the ass (though, perhaps for different reasons) so I'm looking to switch, likely to Mythbuntu. Any opinions? |
| [03:45:54] | iamlindoro_: | Tanthrix: truly, my gripes against arch are largely just my teasing the arch zealots :) |
| [03:46:25] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: I've just come to realize that the whole bleeding edge thing is awful. The way Arch is setup you're basically forced to upgrade if you want to use pacman. |
| [03:46:31] | iamlindoro_: | Tanthrix: But I do use Ubuntu and have been happy with it, and I expect (although not speaking from experience) that Mythbuntu is probably really nice |
| [03:47:07] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: I needed to install apache, and it required an upgrade of glibc, which basically broke everything. |
| [03:47:25] | iamlindoro_: | Gutsy itself was a super-snap to set myth up, and Mythbuntu I would expect to be even simpler |
| [03:47:46] | iamlindoro_: | my love of debian distros is predicated largely on one thing: apt-get build-dep |
| [03:48:13] | iamlindoro_: | It's hard to beat the simplicity of letting it chase down the deps for you |
| [03:49:05] | iamlindoro_: | Tanthrix: I imagine you'd be satisfied... worst comes to worst, if you feel Ubuntu is too haevy, you can let it take care of setting all the hardware up for you and start stripping out the sup[erfluous |
| [03:49:09] | iamlindoro_: | er heavy |
| [03:50:04] | iamlindoro_: | Anyway, I'm going to go play me some X-box... sorry to comment and run :) |
| [03:50:19] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: No prob. Thanks for the input. I'm buring mythbuntu was we speak. ;) |
| [03:50:56] | iamlindoro_: | let me know what you think in the end... have thought of rebuilding my folk's mythbox with mythbuntu at some point |
| [03:51:14] | Tanthrix: | Will do. |
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| [05:17:09] | jedix: | is there another way to repair databases other than mysqlcheck -u mythtv -p --repair mythconverg? |
| [05:17:23] | jedix: | it seems to be stuck on mythconverg.profilegroups ob me |
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| [05:19:54] | rpr69: | can you do a mysqldump of just that table? |
| [05:20:26] | jedix: | how? |
| [05:20:57] | rpr69: | mysqldump -umythtv -p mythconverg profilegroups |
| [05:21:41] | jedix: | it dumped a bit of stuff.. |
| [05:21:45] | jedix: | about four lines |
| [05:21:52] | jedix: | sitting there though |
| [05:22:32] | jedix: | what do I do? |
| [05:22:39] | rpr69: | it's not completing the dump? |
| [05:22:48] | jedix: | no |
| [05:23:08] | rpr69: | strange. what version of myth are you running? |
| [05:23:27] | jedix: | .21 + fixes I think |
| [05:23:38] | rpr69: | so pretty much current SVN? |
| [05:24:26] | jedix: | hrm.. |
| [05:24:30] | jedix: | it was a few months ago |
| [05:24:39] | jedix: | so it' must be 20 + fixes |
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| [05:24:58] | rpr69: | what does 'mythbackend --version' say? |
| [05:25:02] | jedix: | mysqldump: Got error: 144: Table './mythconverg/profilegroups' is marked as crashed and last (automatic?) repair failed when doing LOCK TABLES |
| [05:25:11] | jedix: | I restarted mysql and tried again |
| [05:25:29] | jedix: | Library API version : 0.20.20070821–1 |
| [05:25:29] | jedix: | Source code version : 14954M |
| [05:25:29] | jedix: | SVN Branch : tags/release-0-20–2 |
| [05:25:54] | rpr69: | you are getting the error after restarting mysql? |
| [05:26:12] | jedix: | I got that error after I restarted mysql and then re-ran the dump |
| [05:26:45] | jedix: | when I run the recover thingy, it sits there and top doesn't show it working on anything |
| [05:27:12] | jedix: | should I try again? |
| [05:27:30] | rpr69: | I've not seen that. Another repair probably won't work, but it shouldn't hurt to try |
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| [05:27:57] | jedix: | it got further |
| [05:28:03] | jedix: | mythconverg.profilegroups |
| [05:28:03] | jedix: | warning : Number of rows changed from 0 to 13 |
| [05:28:03] | jedix: | status : OK |
| [05:28:17] | jedix: | it says this now: mysqldump: Couldn't execute 'show fields from `profilegroups`': Got error 28 from storage engine (1030) |
| [05:28:18] | rpr69: | yup, mine has 13 as well |
| [05:28:28] | jedix: | the dump command |
| [05:28:46] | jedix: | it's back to not doing anything. |
| [05:28:52] | rpr69: | do you have a backup of the database? |
| [05:28:57] | jedix: | the repair is sitting there |
| [05:28:58] | jedix: | no :/ |
| [05:29:13] | rpr69: | are you using isam tables? |
| [05:29:43] | jedix: | I don't know.. I would assume.. considering they are default in mysql |
| [05:29:57] | rpr69: | most likely, just checking. |
| [05:30:27] | jedix: | what does it check after profilegroup? |
| [05:30:45] | jedix: | because it just sits there.. |
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| [05:31:23] | rpr69: | program should be next, which would likely be fairly large. |
| [05:31:48] | rpr69: | large in relative terms of course, mine is about 35,000 records. |
| [05:32:01] | jedix: | shouldn't it at least say program |
| [05:32:10] | jedix: | no OK.. but tell me it's checking it? |
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| [05:32:39] | rpr69: | does it say program on the next line? |
| [05:32:48] | rpr69: | and did you get an OK on profilegroups? |
| [05:33:02] | jedix: | no, and yes respectively :/ |
| [05:33:06] | rpr69: | oh, yes, I saw above. |
| [05:34:02] | rpr69: | you could try myisamchk on the file. |
| [05:34:11] | rpr69: | myisamchk -r profilegroups |
| [05:34:15] | rpr69: | myisamchk -r program |
| [05:34:32] | rpr69: | you need to be in the database directory when you run that. |
| [05:34:53] | jedix: | I assume I should stop mysql for that as well? |
| [05:35:33] | rpr69: | you don't have to, at least from what the documentation says. |
| [05:36:17] | rpr69: | sorry: myisamchk -r -q program |
| [05:36:21] | rpr69: | note the -r |
| [05:36:27] | rpr69: | note the -q I mean |
| [05:36:31] | jedix: | epp |
| [05:36:38] | jedix: | I'm running it with the -r |
| [05:36:42] | jedix: | no -q |
| [05:36:44] | jedix: | what's -q? |
| [05:36:57] | jedix: | should I kill it? |
| [05:37:17] | jedix: | ah, it finished |
| [05:37:20] | rpr69: | quick mode, but I would let it go, since if quick mode didn't work, the next step would be without the -q anyway |
| [05:37:29] | jedix: | Data records: 612787 |
| [05:37:51] | rpr69: | wow, that's a lot of records... |
| [05:38:01] | jedix: | yeah? |
| [05:38:09] | rpr69: | try running mysqlcheck again |
| [05:38:15] | jedix: | yeah, trying.. |
| [05:38:21] | jedix: | no go. |
| [05:38:24] | rpr69: | well, I have 35,000 records, you have 20 times that. |
| [05:38:38] | jedix: | mythconverg.profilegroups OK |
| [05:38:40] | jedix: | then nothing |
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| [05:39:05] | jedix: | fuck. |
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| [05:39:10] | rpr69: | maybe you aren't waiting long enough? |
| [05:39:36] | jedix: | mysql goes to 99% cpu usage then stops using cpu.. |
| [05:41:15] | rpr69: | program is just your listings, a mythfilldatabase should rebuild it, if the table got trashed. the problem is I get the feeling that there are going to be more tables that are problematic.... |
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| [05:41:33] | jedix: | yeah |
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| [05:41:37] | jedix: | I tend to agree.. |
| [05:41:52] | jedix: | should probably clean out program anyways.. |
| [05:41:54] | jedix: | considering |
| [05:42:08] | jedix: | how do I do that? |
| [05:42:31] | jedix: | considering I have 610K records |
| [05:42:44] | jedix: | 612 |
| [05:42:49] | rpr69: | well, you could just drop the table and recreate it empty. |
| [05:43:03] | jedix: | I see.. |
| [05:43:07] | rpr69: | but the bigger problem is that record, recorded and settings are all coming up... |
| [05:43:23] | rpr69: | and that's where all the good stuff is. |
| [05:43:32] | jedix: | mysqldump: Got error: 144: Table './mythconverg/program' is marked as crashed and last (automatic?) repair failed when doing LOCK TABLES |
| [05:43:36] | clever: | truncate table program; would empty it |
| [05:43:48] | rpr69: | yes truncate would empty it. |
| [05:43:48] | jedix: | record dumps |
| [05:43:48] | clever: | but truncate i dont think works on crashed tables |
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| [05:44:00] | clever: | or im thinking of delete from program; |
| [05:44:00] | rpr69: | drop table would probably work. |
| [05:44:13] | rpr69: | but it's not something you want to do lightly. |
| [05:44:14] | clever: | theres a repair method which drops and recreates |
| [05:44:18] | clever: | so you dont loose the layout |
| [05:44:24] | jedix: | what's that? |
| [05:44:32] | clever: | i forget |
| [05:44:33] | rpr69: | you could try: 3. |
| [05:44:35] | rpr69: | If the preceding step fails, use myisamchk --safe-recover tbl_name. Safe recovery mode uses an old recovery method that handles a few cases that regular recovery mode does not (but is slower). |
| [05:44:41] | clever: | but ive done it a hackish way before |
| [05:44:43] | clever: | drop |
| [05:44:51] | clever: | after saving the .frm |
| [05:44:55] | clever: | recreate |
| [05:44:57] | rpr69: | not sure. |
| [05:44:59] | clever: | put the frm back |
| [05:45:13] | jedix: | hehe |
| [05:45:15] | clever: | but that can cause its own hackish problems |
| [05:45:29] | jedix: | I'd rather drop from program |
| [05:45:33] | rpr69: | how did you get to this point, server crash? |
| [05:45:44] | jedix: | hdd filled up, it seems |
| [05:45:56] | jedix: | but since I recovered the tables, there's an extra 11gb free.. |
| [05:46:05] | rpr69: | odd... |
| [05:46:08] | jedix: | very. |
| [05:46:14] | clever: | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/repair-table.html |
| [05:46:25] | jedix: | I have myth setup to reserve so much space for the os.. which didn't happe |
| [05:46:48] | jedix: | but I can dump the record recorded and settings tables :) |
| [05:47:34] | rpr69: | okay, that's good. The repair table command is the same as myisamchk. |
| [05:47:53] | jedix: | k, I'm running the safe-recover version now |
| [05:47:56] | rpr69: | but you can try it anyway, can't hurt. |
| [05:48:06] | jedix: | yeah |
| [05:48:12] | jedix: | strange.. |
| [05:48:19] | jedix: | saferecover says Data: 0 |
| [05:48:28] | jedix: | Data records: 0 |
| [05:48:33] | jedix: | it's counting up though |
| [05:48:45] | jedix: | pretty slowly |
| [05:48:46] | rpr69: | it does say that it's slow in the docs. |
| [05:48:58] | rpr69: | For future reference: http://imysql.cn/docs/MySQL_51_en/ch05s10.html#check |
| [05:49:06] | rpr69: | should apply to 4 as well. |
| [05:49:08] | jedix: | 177000 |
| [05:49:36] | jedix: | let's see.. we're... 2/6 there.. |
| [05:49:41] | rpr69: | Actually, that link is probably not the best, now that I look at it... |
| [05:49:49] | jedix: | hehe |
| [05:50:09] | jedix: | what are these: /var/backups/mythconverg.sql.gz.1 |
| [05:50:41] | jedix: | can't be a full backup.. they are ~20mb |
| [05:51:09] | jedix: | oh, they are old too |
| [05:51:25] | jedix: | should get that working again after this |
| [05:51:26] | rpr69: | the dumps compress a lot... |
| [05:51:33] | rpr69: | and yes, working backups are good. |
| [05:51:51] | jedix: | indeed |
| [05:51:53] | rpr69: | I have a daily cron that emails gzipped dump files to my gmail account. |
| [05:51:56] | jedix: | how often? |
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| [05:52:14] | jedix: | hehe, gmail only allows 20mb.. damn |
| [05:52:32] | jedix: | should probably clean out programs |
| [05:52:33] | rpr69: | I wrote a script to split the file into 15MB chunks before emailing. |
| [05:52:43] | jedix: | ah, cool |
| [05:52:50] | clever: | havent heard of the split program! |
| [05:52:59] | clever: | split does exactly what you wanted:P |
| [05:53:06] | rpr69: | surprisingly, it's called split. |
| [05:53:07] | clever: | breaks a file into chunks of a chosen size |
| [05:53:24] | clever: | Output fixed-size pieces of INPUT to PREFIXaa, PREFIXab, ...; default size is 1000 lines, and default PREFIX is ‘x’. With no INPUT, or when |
| [05:53:27] | jedix: | that's crazy talk.. just use rar.... :P |
| [05:53:32] | clever: | from the man page for this split program |
| [05:53:42] | rpr69: | sorry, what I meant was my script uses split to split the files, and email them out in separate emails. |
| [05:53:51] | clever: | winzip can make multi file zip's but only to floppy, last i ever used it |
| [05:53:59] | clever: | ahh |
| [05:54:11] | jedix: | I expected as much |
| [05:54:16] | clever: | i need to fix my smtp server |
| [05:54:27] | rpr69: | and do the dump, and copy the dump to my local nas, etc. |
| [05:54:32] | jedix: | I need to setup an mx |
| [05:54:39] | clever: | i have a MX record |
| [05:54:45] | clever: | but i disabled relaying on the system |
| [05:54:49] | jedix: | or just email it via gmail pop.. |
| [05:54:53] | clever: | so i couldnt be used to spam |
| [05:54:55] | rpr69: | so I have at least 30 days of offsite dumps, and multiple local copies. |
| [05:55:12] | clever: | but that broke relaying for local systems |
| [05:55:12] | jedix: | that's neat. |
| [05:55:17] | jedix: | wbn to do that with data such as digital images.. |
| [05:55:18] | clever: | so now localhost cant email thru localhost |
| [05:55:30] | jedix: | I've been thinking of getting a fire safe for this reason |
| [05:56:09] | rpr69: | is the repair of program still going? |
| [05:56:14] | jedix: | yeah |
| [05:56:18] | jedix: | 499000 |
| [05:56:45] | rpr69: | if record recorded and settings were ok, you should be in fairly good shape. |
| [05:56:49] | jedix: | why is my program table so damn big? |
| [05:56:59] | rpr69: | dunno. are you using eit? |
| [05:57:00] | jedix: | yeah, they dumped no problem |
| [05:57:05] | jedix: | trying to.. yeah |
| [05:57:13] | jedix: | but it's only a few hours not days.. |
| [05:57:37] | jedix: | I have seen traffic for the 9 day eit or whatever |
| [05:57:49] | rpr69: | you might want to check the date on the records, if they are really old then the housekeeping thread isn't doing it's job. |
| [05:57:51] | jedix: | I also have an account with the zap2it replacement thingy |
| [05:58:48] | rpr69: | as I said, I have about 35,000 records, that cover about 40 or so channels, all using schedulesdirect data. |
| [05:58:48] | jedix: | this last 50k is taking a while |
| [05:59:11] | rpr69: | with 12 days of listings. |
| [06:00:03] | rpr69: | make that 53 channels. |
| [06:00:32] | rpr69: | with the number of records you have, you must have about 1000 channels setup... :) |
| [06:01:40] | jedix: | okay, recovered |
| [06:01:43] | GreyFoxx: | jedix: Are you running mythfilldatabase at all ? |
| [06:02:25] | jedix: | GreyFoxx: yes |
| [06:02:46] | GreyFoxx: | ok, normally that would clear out program listings older than a week or 2 |
| [06:03:46] | rpr69: | I forgot, mythfilldatabase used to do that, I believe in SVN it's a thread in mythbackend. |
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| [06:05:35] | GreyFoxx: | HouseKeeper::CleanupProgramListings removes stuff older than 7 days |
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| [06:11:17] | jedix: | so how do I check what's in there? |
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| [06:13:16] | rpr69: | any mysql client. command line if you are masochistic, mysql-query-browser is a nice gui client that you can get from mysql.com |
| [06:13:35] | rpr69: | or any of the http/php variants, phpmyadmin being the most common. |
| [06:14:01] | jedix: | so select * from program? |
| [06:14:09] | rpr69: | there may be a way in the frontend, but I've not looked. |
| [06:14:28] | jedix: | damn, it lost a few shows |
| [06:14:31] | jedix: | one that I wanted. |
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| [06:16:59] | jedix: | thanks a bunch guys |
| [06:17:08] | jedix: | you guys are life savers |
| [06:17:39] | jedix: | tell rpr69 if I'm now around when he comes back |
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| [06:19:01] | rpr69: | sorry about that, my laptop battery died mid sentence |
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| [06:20:23] | rpr69: | not to mention it's WAY past my bedtime... |
| [06:20:44] | rpr69: | hope you get everything fixed. |
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| [06:20:56] | jedix: | blast! |
| [06:21:00] | jedix: | mixed him again! |
| [06:21:24] | jedix: | s/mixed/missed/ |
| [06:21:29] | jedix: | also, it's my bedtime. |
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| [06:58:03] | g0rAngA: | is there a way to get eit listings to update just the times of the upcoming programs? the over-the-air listings change the titles to stupid things like "Saturday family movie", and so on. |
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| [08:13:08] | g0rAngA: | is there a way to get eit listings to update just the times of the upcoming programs? the over-the-air listings change the titles to stupid things like "Saturday family movie", and so on. |
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| [11:28:01] | directhex: | effing HELL |
| [11:28:07] | directhex: | this is a *TINY* computer |
| [11:28:29] | directhex: | i mean, in a 'justinh's epia looks like vanessa feltz' kind of way |
| [11:28:42] | Ribs: | lol |
| [11:29:40] | directhex: | seriously, you have no freaking idea |
| [11:34:44] | Dagmar: | OLPC? |
| [11:35:55] | directhex: | pico-itx |
| [11:36:10] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [11:36:36] | directhex: | i mean, sure, a 1ghz via chip is still wank in any form factor, but it's impossible not to be impressed nonetheless |
| [11:43:46] | Dagmar: | Oh ya had me until you said VIA |
| [11:43:48] | justinh: | those have been around a wee while now |
| [11:44:01] | justinh: | just as impotent only smaller |
| [11:45:13] | justinh: | if they could only sort out the video acceleration properly it'd be almost worth looking at them |
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| [12:43:45] | Andycasss: | is there a way to change music "1 shuffle: rand" key? Couldnt find it under edit keys |
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| [13:42:05] | justinh: | Andycasss: doesn't seem like you can |
| [13:42:09] | justinh: | not in 0.20.x anyway |
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| [13:48:14] | levander: | When I try to view a dvd, in mythfrontend.log I get: "Failed to open DVD device at /dev/dvd". Do I need to change the device file for my dvd drive in setup? How do I figure out what the correct device file is? |
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| [14:01:32] | levander: | Well, I figured it out. My dvd drive isn't plugged into its SATA port inside the computer. |
| [14:03:03] | Dagmar: | Yep. That'll definitely slow down DVD throughput. |
| [14:03:11] | Dagmar: | It makes burning discs a real bitch, too. |
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| [14:52:46] | DustyBin: | does Pepsi max2k come into this channel? |
| [15:00:31] | orkid_: | hey,k have you guys any idea on how to fix a stuttering problem while streaming video from a windows xp machine? |
| [15:00:35] | orkid_: | using mplayer? |
| [15:05:31] | mzb: | install linux? ;) |
| [15:05:50] | zkx: | tried messing with cache settings? |
| [15:09:29] | Dagmar: | Boot an ubuntu CD on it |
| [15:09:48] | Dagmar: | Don't expect high-performance out of XP Home's filesharing. |
| [15:10:36] | orkid_: | it's xp pro |
| [15:10:42] | orkid_: | i'm streaming ivdeo with mythbuntu |
| [15:10:50] | orkid_: | but it's choppy. hm |
| [15:10:52] | mzb: | you might even have luck with colinux ... but I doubt it'd be worth the effort |
| [15:10:58] | orkid_: | is there another way to share files off xp ? or change the settings ? |
| [15:11:18] | mzb: | ^^ colinux + NFS |
| [15:11:34] | mzb: | bit of a hack though |
| [15:11:39] | Dagmar: | orkid_: Just BOOT an Ubuntu CD. |
| [15:11:43] | Dagmar: | It doesn't need to be installed. |
| [15:11:54] | Dagmar: | For problems with XP's filesharing, please see ##Windows |
| [15:12:11] | orkid_: | i guess so. but it'd be nice not to have to )someone else wants to use the computer). hm. i might move the HD to the mythbuntu computer and share it fro mthere (it's an external) |
| [15:12:33] | Dagmar: | If they need to browse the web or whatever, Ubuntu is a live CD, man. |
| [15:12:35] | orkid_: | well , the thing is there is no prob sharing / straeming windows to windows, so i thought it might be interoperab ility with xp and linux |
| [15:12:39] | Dagmar: | It runs just fine from the CD alone. |
| [15:13:03] | Dagmar: | Nope. There's no "interoperability" problem. |
| [15:13:15] | Dagmar: | You might have broken either one of your machines for all we know. |
| [15:13:18] | Dagmar: | It works fine here. |
| [15:13:42] | Dagmar: | I just know from repeated experiences that XP can't share files for crap over SMB compared to Linux. |
| [15:13:49] | orkid_: | hm. |
| [15:14:07] | orkid_: | broken the machine? uhhh. yea |
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| [15:16:58] | blackest: | mythmkmovieanyone used this ? |
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| [15:17:48] | blackest: | mythmkmovie sorry i managed to miss a space |
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| [15:21:04] | code-er: | Ok, question. When will Analog TV be gone in the NA? |
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| [15:24:00] | a1fa: | hm |
| [15:24:06] | a1fa: | i want to make chilly today |
| [15:26:43] | blackest: | anyone know a good mpeg.ts transcoding tool, something that knows how to use the error correction info |
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| [15:47:54] | code-eer: | ok. I cant seem to Fast Forward my recoreded DVB shows |
| [15:48:04] | code-eer: | front end paste been when i tried to do so: http://pastebin.com/m183be26a |
| [15:48:05] | code-eer: | any ideas |
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| [15:50:52] | code-er: | Any ideas? |
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| [15:51:42] | stuarta: | your seektable is corrupted |
| [15:52:14] | cOD-ERS: | +stuarta: how can i re-create it, and why are ALL the dvb recoded shows like this? |
| [15:53:33] | stuarta: | probably because at some point your box crashed and the recordedseek table in the database became corrupted |
| [15:53:47] | stuarta: | run a mysqlcheck mythconverg |
| [15:54:08] | cOD-ERS: | +stuarta: its odd because ALL the dvb recoded shows are like thism the analog recorded shows are fine. |
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| [15:56:48] | cOD-ERS: | +stuarta: is it posible that the mpeg stream is some what currupt or somethin |
| [15:57:11] | cOD-ERS: | +stuarta: if so is there a way to transcode it to clean it up |
| [15:57:19] | stuarta: | yes |
| [15:57:28] | Dagmar: | Run the command he told you to. |
| [15:57:31] | stuarta: | but you need to check the db first |
| [15:57:49] | cOD-ERS: | i was lol just finished |
| [15:58:18] | cOD-ERS: | http://pastebin.com/m37ce9c92 |
| [15:59:02] | stuarta: | yup recordedseek was broken |
| [15:59:02] | Dagmar: | If you ran that while MythTV was still running, please turn off your computer now. |
| [15:59:08] | stuarta: | Dagmar: it does cope |
| [15:59:25] | Dagmar: | I'll take your word on that. |
| [15:59:45] | stuarta: | it just can't always do everything it needs to |
| [15:59:55] | stuarta: | s/needs/wants |
| [16:00:08] | stuarta: | cOD-ERS: now run mythcommflag --rebuild --all |
| [16:00:16] | Dagmar: | I'm still working the bugs out of a cron job that just makes hourly backups of the database |
| [16:00:46] | Dagmar: | I figure if I start it ten minute before the top of an hour I should be able to avoid most stuff happening at the same time |
| [16:00:58] | ** stuarta wonders if broken seek tables are in the FAQ ** | |
| [16:01:14] | Dagmar: | I've _no_ intention of having my whole database go blooey again |
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| [16:02:31] | code-rr: | Dagmar: shut down mythbackend and front ends? |
| [16:04:13] | stuarta: | for optimum results things like the mysqlcheck should be run when nothing is accessing the database |
| [16:04:14] | code-rr: | mythconverg.recordedseek |
| [16:04:14] | code-rr: | error : Table './mythconverg/recordedseek' is marked as crashed and should be repaired |
| [16:04:31] | stuarta: | so shutdown the backend |
| [16:04:45] | stuarta: | rerun the mysqlcheck till it says ok on all tables |
| [16:04:55] | stuarta: | best shut the frontend down too |
| [16:05:00] | code-rr: | keeps saying |
| [16:05:01] | code-rr: | mythconverg.recordedseek |
| [16:05:01] | code-rr: | error : Table './mythconverg/recordedseek' is marked as crashed and should be repaired |
| [16:05:26] | code-rr: | still |
| [16:05:28] | code-rr: | every time |
| [16:05:52] | code-rr: | should i mysql repair it? |
| [16:06:18] | stuarta: | yes |
| [16:06:39] | Dagmar: | But, you should use your head and pay attention to what it's saying. |
| [16:06:52] | Dagmar: | Particularly with respect to _not having anything else accessing the tables_ |
| [16:07:01] | code-rr: | Dagmar: yes understoof |
| [16:07:02] | Inssomniak: | can you have different favorites channel lists in mythtv? |
| [16:07:13] | stuarta: | Inssomniak: not yet |
| [16:07:21] | stuarta: | fell free to write the code |
| [16:07:24] | stuarta: | feel |
| [16:07:30] | code-rr: | ok running reuild now |
| [16:07:45] | Inssomniak: | Me? code? haha if It doesnt involve plugging in a cat5 cable I cant fix it .lol |
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| [16:08:26] | code-rr: | wonder why this happened |
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| [16:09:02] | Inssomniak: | I get crashed tables all the time |
| [16:09:19] | code-rr: | but how do you prevent this |
| [16:09:24] | Inssomniak: | not just on mythtv, but for other mysql databases I run throughout |
| [16:09:33] | code-rr: | yes but it SHOULDNT |
| [16:09:34] | Inssomniak: | so far, the causes for me is improper shutdowns |
| [16:09:45] | Dagmar: | code-rr: Take your MythTV box out of the wall outlet controlled by the light switch. |
| [16:09:56] | code-rr: | Dagmar: nice... |
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| [16:10:32] | code-rr: | Dagmar: i have it hoocked up directly to the rat, does tghat mean when he stops running on his wheall i can get a crash? |
| [16:10:49] | stuarta: | Dagmar: you stopped drinking coffee again? |
| [16:10:51] | Dagmar: | Probably so |
| [16:11:00] | code-rr: | oo ok.. i swap it with a rat then |
| [16:11:07] | code-rr: | one last thing, how do you allow SUID for the front end |
| [16:11:13] | Dagmar: | stuarta: I'm rather hoping that just mentioning such a thing might bring something to mind for him that's causing this. |
| [16:11:28] | Dagmar: | It's generally only sudden power failures that cause that sort of chaos. |
| [16:11:34] | Inssomniak: | I got so sick of crashed tables I plugged the box into a UPS, the same UPS that runs my mission critical servers |
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| [16:11:52] | Dagmar: | Inssomniak: Puts a stop to it, don't it. |
| [16:11:59] | Inssomniak: | Dagmar, yup |
| [16:12:08] | code-rr: | :) |
| [16:12:14] | Inssomniak: | The power here routintely goes out at least once a week |
| [16:12:26] | Inssomniak: | way more in the summer season |
| [16:13:07] | Dagmar: | code-rr: So, now, how many times have you had power failures recently? |
| [16:13:22] | code-rr: | Dagmar: none.... :) |
| [16:13:29] | code-rr: | but i tripped over the wire once or twice :-S |
| [16:13:30] | Dagmar: | Hm... That's not good. |
| [16:13:32] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [16:13:32] | code-rr: | i know i know |
| [16:13:34] | Dagmar: | Heheh |
| [16:13:50] | Dagmar: | stuarta: See, there's a _reason_ I say things the way I do |
| [16:13:54] | code-rr: | to many cables behind the tv lOl |
| [16:13:57] | ** stuarta chuckles ** | |
| [16:14:01] | code-rr: | Dagmar: yes... agread |
| [16:14:17] | code-rr: | so does COMMFLAG fix the seaking? |
| [16:14:31] | code-rr: | (fast forward/back) |
| [16:14:34] | Dagmar: | The seek table *is* what gets populated by the commflagger, afaik |
| [16:15:04] | code-rr: | Dagmar: ok fair enough.. |
| [16:15:06] | Inssomniak: | speaking of comm flagging, anyone else have relatively inaccurate atsc HD commflagginf? |
| [16:15:10] | Dagmar: | I could be wrong, but at least when I've had that get blown away, re-commflagging was what unbroke it |
| [16:15:30] | Dagmar: | insomniak: If you're talking a few frames off hte mark, that's normal |
| [16:15:31] | code-rr: | so how do you SUID mythfrontend again |
| [16:15:32] | stuarta: | code-rr: once you have fixed the data base run mythcommflag --rebuild --all |
| [16:15:38] | Dagmar: | If you're talking like, whole minutes off the mark, something is hosed. |
| [16:15:58] | code-rr: | +stuarta: its running now |
| [16:16:00] | Dagmar: | code-rr: If you're going to suid the binary, you might as well just login as root to start it. |
| [16:16:10] | Inssomniak: | Dagmar, whole minutes, it will sometimes skip right over a segement of TV between commercials |
| [16:16:42] | Dagmar: | Inssomniak: Any kind of correlation between all-dark scenes or scene transistions there?> |
| [16:16:45] | code-rr: | Dagmar: i mean when i hit fast forward x5... no problem.. if i go fastforwardx10.. it just dies. if i try PLAYING after x5 it jumps to the END (progress bar) but starts playing from the begining |
| [16:16:49] | Dagmar: | Ther'es a lot of stuff that can make the commflagger go wiggy |
| [16:17:04] | code-rr: | Dagmar: got a seperate user that STARTXs lol |
| [16:17:10] | Dagmar: | code-rr: Yeah, run the command stuarta gave and give it a while to complete |
| [16:17:21] | Inssomniak: | Dagmar, nope, it can be any show on OTA, DVB commflagging is perfect |
| [16:17:23] | code-rr: | Dagmar: happening |
| [16:17:28] | code-rr: | Dagmar: so how do you suid |
| [16:17:32] | code-rr: | is it chatter +s? |
| [16:17:45] | Dagmar: | code-rr: Running startx as a separate user accomplishes nothing. |
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| [16:20:46] | Inssomniak: | when I run the mythcommflag --rebuild -all it reports all kinds of missing .mpgs, some of the are months old, and havent existed in the record list for months, is there a way to clean that out? |
| [16:21:09] | Dagmar: | No idea. |
| [16:21:30] | Dagmar: | Are they perhaps recordings you nuked before they were going to auto-expire? |
| [16:21:44] | Inssomniak: | its possible |
| [16:21:44] | code-er: | so is it chattr +s |
| [16:21:48] | Dagmar: | There seems to be a lot of weird logic sstill in there about that stuff. |
| [16:22:15] | Dagmar: | code-er: I absolutely refuse to answer any question that involves illogical or improper changes to system security. |
| [16:22:41] | Inssomniak: | 2008-02–16 11:19:15.664 RingBuf(/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/htpc/2330_20070824222347.mp g): Could not open |
| [16:22:41] | code-er: | Dagmar: *sigh* why do i have to explain every little detail but fine |
| [16:22:43] | Inssomniak: | etcetc |
| [16:22:53] | code-er: | Dagmar: i have a .xinitrc that does startx, i DONT want that to happen with root. |
| [16:23:07] | Dagmar: | Perhaps I should explain to _you_ |
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| [16:23:27] | Dagmar: | I've been using Linux for, oh, about 14–15 years now. |
| [16:23:35] | Dagmar: | Breaking into networks for about 20. |
| [16:23:36] | Inssomniak: | Im at 10 years! |
| [16:23:41] | code-er: | Dagmar |
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| [16:23:44] | Dagmar: | I got a CISSP back in 2000. |
| [16:23:55] | Dagmar: | I know more about infosec than you probably know about spankin' it. |
| [16:24:07] | Dagmar: | ...and assuming you're male, we generally know a lot about spankin' it. |
| [16:24:12] | Inssomniak: | ROFL |
| [16:24:16] | Dagmar: | Trust me when I say that suiding the thing isn't going to make a bit of difference. |
| [16:24:21] | code-er: | Dagmar: *sigh* congratulations this is a bloody Myth Front end box on an internal network without a million running servies.... WHO CARES! |
| [16:24:35] | Dagmar: | So why don't you just run the frontend as root then? |
| [16:24:45] | code-er: | Dagmar: cause im lazy! |
| [16:24:57] | Dagmar: | You set the thing suid, and then any uid can invoke it as root, which is not specifically what you're aiming to do |
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| [16:25:12] | Dagmar: | Heck you can start the frontend from rc.local for that matter. |
| [16:25:16] | Dagmar: | It's what I'm doing here. |
| [16:25:22] | Hannibal-: | ditto; gnome doesn't like to autologin is as root, so i use sudo instead. |
| [16:25:23] | Dagmar: | ...well, effectively. |
| [16:25:27] | code-er: | Dagmar: i like my respawn so i started it from inittab |
| [16:25:32] | Dagmar: | You don't ahve to login for that actually. |
| [16:26:01] | code-er: | chmod u+s mythfrontend |
| [16:26:07] | code-er: | thanx for the answer :-D |
| [16:26:12] | Dagmar: | Basically, if you set up a runlevel script to startx, and then put the commands to start the frontend in the user account that's being used to start the thing's homedir... |
| [16:26:16] | code-er: | now to figure out the tan prebuffer pause :-S |
| [16:26:40] | Dagmar: | ...it'll start by entering the runlevel. NO login manager needed. No login session that would indicate a nonexistant user needed. |
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| [16:27:21] | Dagmar: | Login sessions are only useful to generate when you actually want something in the machine to have an "idea" that a user's account can be in either the logged in state or the logged out state. |
| [16:27:50] | Dagmar: | A login session is basically just a moderately complex illuaion. |
| [16:27:55] | Hannibal-: | use video as timebase in trunk/0.21-fixes seems to cause excessive prebuffer pause for me |
| [16:27:56] | Dagmar: | s/illuaion/illusion/; |
| [16:28:12] | code-er: | yes a DM is pointless. thats why my box runs ratpoison, startx and myth :) |
| [16:28:31] | Dagmar: | Why even ratpoison? |
| [16:29:01] | code-er: | Dagmar: focus problems... |
| [16:29:29] | Dagmar: | Ah. Those only normally happen if you're using some external player. |
| [16:29:36] | Dagmar: | I'm not, so... no need to care about focus |
| [16:29:45] | code-er: | Dagmar:very true.. |
| [16:30:31] | Dagmar: | Now that you've admitted you're not clueless, allow me again to suggest _setting up a runlevel to behave as kiosk mode_ |
| [16:30:54] | Dagmar: | It'll make your life much easier |
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| [16:31:42] | code-er: | Dagmar: oh bt im NOT clueless, see i use external players.. so i NEED rat poison :) |
| [16:31:54] | Dagmar: | I have some notes SOMEWHERE on my desktop (which is, um, "cluttered" to say the least) about using the CAPABILITIES functions with Myth to enable realtime stuff, so you don't need to be quite so heavy-handed with the suidness, but god only knows which file I put it in |
| [16:32:17] | Dagmar: | I have an actual filing cabinet here which is basically where scribbled notes go to die. |
| [16:32:35] | code-er: | Dagmar: lol dont worry about it.. i got bigger fish to fry |
| [16:33:06] | code-er: | cam prepause |
| [16:33:17] | Dagmar: | Hey at least you ahve a cam |
| [16:33:22] | Inssomniak: | anyone know how to search a database (all tables) for a string? |
| [16:33:30] | code-er: | s/cam/dam |
| [16:33:40] | code-er: | Inssomniak: no :-P |
| [16:33:49] | Inssomniak: | heh yea neither do I |
| [16:33:59] | code-er: | Inssomniak: dont think its posible, or usefull.. |
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| [16:38:43] | jamesd: | you would have to use another language i think to create the slects |
| [16:40:33] | nemik: | so without using coreAVC on linux (fscking impossible), would a quad-core intel CPU be enough for 1080i content on mplayer? |
| [16:40:58] | Hannibal-: | coreavc works well on linux for me |
| [16:41:01] | Hannibal-: | what's wrong? |
| [16:41:09] | Hannibal-: | you just have to use coreavc 1.5 |
| [16:41:39] | jamesd: | nemik, my dual core opteron 2.4ghz can do playback of 1080i |
| [16:43:31] | nemik: | ok, so it could handle it then, cool. |
| [16:43:50] | nemik: | Hannibal-: did you patch mplayer before doing it or just use SVN? |
| [16:44:11] | psofa: | im thinking of buying a ps3.Anyone knows whats the progress with mythtv/linux/mplayer 3d/video acceleration? |
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| [16:45:05] | Hannibal-: | i'm using the internal mythplayer =\ |
| [16:45:34] | Hannibal-: | trunk+a dshowserver patch |
| [16:47:03] | nasa: | Hi, anyone else having issues compiling trunk (for the last 2 days?) |
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| [16:48:23] | zkx: | i compiled on the 14th |
| [16:48:54] | Hannibal-: | i did trunk on the 10th =\ |
| [16:49:43] | nemik: | nasa: after patch or just regular? i pulled it in 2 days ago and it was ok |
| [16:50:07] | nemik: | Hannibal-: what dshow patch? the one on the coreavc-for-linux page? |
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| [16:50:23] | Hannibal-: | there is an updated one, sec. |
| [16:50:24] | nasa: | Just regular |
| [16:50:31] | nasa: | http://pastebin.org/19856 |
| [16:51:03] | nasa: | I always do a distclean before any makes — so that shouldn't be issue. |
| [16:51:19] | Hannibal-: | http://www.hoochvdr.info/files/myth_dshowserver_r15821.diff |
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| [16:51:33] | code-er: | so, when do you think analog wil die in north america |
| [16:51:43] | Hannibal-: | and this |
| [16:51:47] | Hannibal-: | http://www.hoochvdr.info/files/myth_h264-crashfix_r15821.diff |
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| [16:52:33] | nemik: | Hannibal-: have you tried 1.6.5 of coreAVC? it was the only one that actually segfaulted for me, all others just didn't load |
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| [16:52:44] | Hannibal-: | it won't work with that patch |
| [16:52:57] | Hannibal-: | cuz in 1.6 they redid some of the directshow stuff |
| [16:53:00] | nemik: | so 1.5 will with those 2 patches? |
| [16:53:07] | Hannibal-: | and none of those changes have been ported to dshowserver |
| [16:53:12] | Hannibal-: | yeah, 1.5 works fine with those patches. |
| [16:53:26] | Hannibal-: | and the other instructions on the coreavc-for-linux page. |
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| [16:53:47] | nemik: | awesome, thanks. i'll try it. btw, how much of an improvement do you see? |
| [16:54:11] | Hannibal-: | i didn't even both with ffmpeg, so i can't really say |
| [16:54:34] | nemik: | didn't try? |
| [16:54:42] | Hannibal-: | bother*, yeah |
| [16:54:49] | Hannibal-: | didn't try ffmpeg |
| [16:54:53] | nemik: | ah ok. |
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| [16:55:16] | Hannibal-: | afk a bit. |
| [16:55:42] | nemik: | i'm trying to get 720p on a p4 2.4 with nvidia 6200...this is my last try before plopping down for a quad-core |
| [16:56:22] | zkx: | yeah, i have a amd64 3000 tried some 720p, anime does work but regular stuff chops a lot |
| [16:56:33] | Hannibal-: | mpeg4 or mpeg2? |
| [16:56:42] | zkx: | 264 |
| [16:56:57] | jamesd: | guess intel sucks.. my wife is watching 1080i tv on my dual copre 2.4ghz opteron, with nvidia quaddra 1440... and this system isn't even breaking a sweat.. 1000mhz, and i'm surfing the web and chatting all on the same box... |
| [16:56:59] | zkx: | so 4 |
| [16:57:22] | Hannibal-: | i can't do it on p4 3.2 without massive pausing |
| [16:57:32] | Hannibal-: | lots of chop |
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| [16:57:53] | jamesd: | usually that is antenna or hard disk related... |
| [16:58:04] | Hannibal-: | i have a core2quad as mythfrontend/backend – it works |
| [16:58:14] | Hannibal-: | but the p4 3.2 frontend can't do it |
| [16:58:35] | nemik: | can't do 1080i? |
| [16:58:44] | Hannibal-: | can't do 720 |
| [16:58:48] | nemik: | ow damn |
| [16:58:52] | zkx: | i don't really mind either, we don't even have much HD broadcasting here :/ |
| [16:59:15] | nemik: | i'm just trying to watch it, h264 encoded MKV file. |
| [16:59:36] | Hannibal-: | that might be fine, mine was a live feed |
| [16:59:54] | Hannibal-: | anyways, afk for real this time – wife is crabbing for me to do some stuff. |
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| [17:00:43] | jamesd: | Hannibal-, you are using nvidia closed source driver right? |
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| [17:05:01] | mick_home: | as far as live cds are concerned — what would the recommended one be? |
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| [17:11:24] | ** directhex now has some rams for this mad, mad, mini pc ** | |
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| [17:12:00] | mick_home: | i saw that knoppmyth seems to be a few years behind |
| [17:12:12] | mick_home: | and i have a pcHDTV card |
| [17:12:16] | mick_home: | well, 2 of them |
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| [17:28:16] | alexvd_: | mick_home: I used knoppmyth for quite sometime and I can tell you the pchdtv card support was out of the box flawless |
| [17:29:02] | nemik: | for quad-core to do mplayer 1080i MKV's with, would an AMD phenom 9600 suffice or would intel's q6600 be better for that situation? |
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| [17:37:07] | kreat0r: | i am building a htpc currently...what is the lowest specs i could expect to get away with to play 1080p content? |
| [17:37:10] | kreat0r: | CPU wise |
| [17:37:17] | justinh: | kreat0r: mpeg2 or h.264? |
| [17:37:23] | kreat0r: | h.264 |
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| [17:37:53] | directhex: | a core 2 duo of some kind is a good start |
| [17:38:09] | kreat0r: | i am trying to build this machine as cheap as possible |
| [17:38:13] | directhex: | "1080p content" means downloads. since nobody is broadcasting it |
| [17:39:24] | kreat0r: | well all i will be using is 720p, but if in the future i get a 1080p tv i want the htpc to still be up to spec |
| [17:39:52] | directhex: | <directhex> a core 2 duo of some kind is a good start |
| [17:39:57] | kreat0r: | k |
| [17:40:13] | justinh: | but not all h.264 content can be helped with extra cores – in which case you're screwed til hardware acceleration comes along or cpus basically just get way faster |
| [17:40:32] | directhex: | justinh, or you use snazzy decoder options |
| [17:41:02] | kreat0r: | does the nvidia h.264 hardware acceleration work with the linux drivers? |
| [17:41:08] | directhex: | kreat0r, no |
| [17:41:13] | kreat0r: | crap |
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| [17:41:53] | directhex: | justinh, i wonder if all along, coreavc simply ignores the loopfilter which is why it's egarded as so fast |
| [17:42:38] | justinh: | directhex: that'd be so funny |
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| [17:43:41] | zkx: | well if you'r used skiploopfilter=all, you'll know it looks like crap from time to time |
| [17:43:51] | zkx: | so no, it doesn't ignore the loopfilter |
| [17:46:05] | kreat0r: | is h.264 the most CPU intensive? |
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| [17:46:16] | zkx: | no, i think snow is |
| [17:46:17] | directhex: | yes |
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| [17:46:28] | directhex: | of the HD codecs in use, h264 takes the cake |
| [17:46:42] | zkx: | yeah, from the ones commonly in use, sure |
| [17:47:07] | kreat0r: | is h.264 here to stay for awhile? |
| [17:47:23] | zkx: | yeah |
| [17:49:28] | kreat0r: | why doesn't the nvidia h.264 hardware acceleration work with the linux drivers? |
| [17:50:02] | zkx: | because linux isn't commercially appealing |
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| [17:50:52] | justinh: | kreat0r: because nobody's written it in! |
| [17:51:00] | justinh: | linux is the last thing on their mind |
| [17:51:06] | kreat0r: | yeahf |
| [17:51:16] | kreat0r: | oh well, less money wasted on graphics i guess |
| [17:51:21] | kreat0r: | for htpc builders running linux that is |
| [17:52:03] | zkx: | and at least CPU is also good for other stuff, like encoding and commercial flagging and whatnot |
| [17:52:25] | directhex: | warming the house |
| [17:52:31] | justinh: | having used a box with a puny CPU & relied on hw acceleration in the past, you don't wanna go there |
| [17:52:47] | directhex: | justinh, i get to try it out this weekend :) |
| [17:52:48] | kreat0r: | true |
| [17:53:18] | DustyBin: | im trying to get s-video output from my graphics card at my TVs native resolution of 768x576. No matter what i put into xorg.conf it always defaults to 1024x768, anybody know what might be obviously wrong with my monitor, device, screen sections in my xorg.conf: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2486 |
| [17:53:21] | justinh: | directhex: good luck with the openchrome drivers etc. rather you than me. you might find that everything but mythtv is fine with everything you can chuck at it |
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| [17:53:46] | directhex: | justinh, that's what i intend to evaluate. i think i already know how the conclusion will sound, though |
| [17:55:44] | directhex: | justinh, it's still impossible not to be impessed by the miniaturization on this board though |
| [17:56:02] | directhex: | justinh, oh, and i ought to have one of those intel mini-itx boards early next week to compare |
| [17:56:21] | justinh: | directhex: I was impressed by the mini-itx, so I can imagine |
| [17:56:35] | jblack: | Would anybody care to make recommendations for a mini-itx system that can do 802.11g ? |
| [17:56:40] | directhex: | justdave, wait, let me get a comparison photo |
| [17:56:41] | justinh: | it was faultless with mythtv up to 0.20.x, then it just started falling to bits |
| [17:56:50] | directhex: | jblack, bad tech combined with bad |
| [17:56:52] | justinh: | directhex: oh I know. I've seen photos. |
| [17:57:12] | justinh: | wtf are you gonna case it in? |
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| [17:57:26] | jblack: | directhex: Fair enough... A small, fanless system with 802.11g |
| [17:57:57] | directhex: | justinh, i'm not. via didn't ship a case. i'm having to jury-rig a system with a full atx power supply, and a dvd burner on a usb adapter |
| [17:58:30] | directhex: | anyway, gotta do some washing up. bbl |
| [17:58:55] | kreat0r: | jblack: let me know if you find a good chipset, im looking for a good mini-itx board myself |
| [17:59:27] | jblack: | kreat0r: ok |
| [17:59:44] | justinh: | wireless – great for t'internet in the garden. bad is you want reliable, always there connections like you need for mythtv |
| [18:00:26] | jblack: | It's also great for old, 4 story houses for which wiring them would cost tens of thousands. |
| [18:00:41] | jblack: | I've generally been ok with myth on laptops w/ 802.11g. |
| [18:01:23] | jblack: | Livetv doesn't work well, but transcoded stuff is fine. ;) |
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| [18:02:39] | zkx: | my wireless sucks |
| [18:03:02] | zkx: | 1.4mbyte/s is the max i've got with it |
| [18:03:15] | jblack: | I usually max out around 3 |
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| [18:03:42] | zkx: | yeah, my ap did cost about 10 euros tho... a la fonera box with dd-wrt firmware |
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| [18:03:51] | kreat0r: | how do they get away with claiming its 54mit/s max |
| [18:05:17] | justinh: | kreat0r: because that's what it can actually do if the conditions are just right |
| [18:05:18] | zkx: | well 3mbyte/s is still more than half of 54mbit |
| [18:05:24] | justinh: | trouble is, they seldom are in the real world :P |
| [18:05:37] | kreat0r: | oh |
| [18:05:43] | justinh: | in free space, with no other radio signals nearby, no obstacles.. |
| [18:06:12] | zkx: | my AP is approximately 10 inches from my laptop tho :P |
| [18:06:20] | justinh: | i.e. in the test lab :P |
| [18:06:23] | zkx: | the AP just sucks most likely |
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| [18:06:33] | jblack: | zkx: That may be too close, ironically. |
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| [18:06:53] | zkx: | it isn't any better from a couple of feet away either tho |
| [18:08:09] | jblack: | anyways, I'd like to get 2 or 3 small systems. |
| [18:08:40] | zkx: | skiploopfilter=nonref seems nice, at least with the sample i tried |
| [18:09:05] | zkx: | not that it matters, i think i should first get a HD display :p |
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| [18:13:03] | kreat0r: | im looking at some boards that have hdmi out... does that include audio and video or just video ? |
| [18:13:10] | kreat0r: | on say an integrated intel chipset |
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| [18:16:08] | justinh: | should include audio too but whether or not it'll work in linux... that's for you to google oogle |
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| [18:26:10] | DustyBin: | managed to get the resolution from s-video output to 720x576 :D |
| [18:26:34] | DustyBin: | but its stuck on 60hz o_0 |
| [18:26:52] | DustyBin: | i believe UK freeview runs at 50hz? |
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| [18:37:26] | g0rAngA: | is it possible to get mythtv to ignore some parts of the eit listings? |
| [18:37:49] | mick_home: | anyone have a cool mythtv background? (i mean as a desktop background) |
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| [18:41:35] | Cackette: | hey |
| [18:41:45] | mick_home: | hi :) |
| [18:42:03] | Cackette: | what model of the hauppauge pvr-150 is the good one |
| [18:42:16] | doobeh: | mce has the two tuners |
| [18:42:23] | Cackette: | theres like 6 different versions of it ranging from $60 to $90 |
| [18:42:50] | Cackette: | what would you need two tuners for |
| [18:42:54] | directhex: | doobeh, no, 500 has 2 tuners. |
| [18:43:13] | doobeh: | hmm, I thought I saw a 150 with two, perhaps my imagination |
| [18:43:20] | Cackette: | i currently have a pcHDTV 5500 for my HD |
| [18:43:22] | doobeh: | Cackette: to record two programs at once |
| [18:43:24] | directhex: | mce relates to the remote |
| [18:43:33] | Cackette: | i need a card for regular signals |
| [18:44:04] | Cackette: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;Order=PRICE |
| [18:44:09] | Cackette: | which one do i want |
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| [18:46:01] | Cackette: | ?? |
| [18:47:09] | Cackette: | directhex? doobeh? |
| [18:47:50] | doobeh: | directhex, so what are the pvr150's with the two coax connectors? |
| [18:48:08] | doobeh: | e.g http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/produc . . . 6-631-11.jpg |
| [18:48:14] | Cackette: | i believe one is FM |
| [18:48:17] | Cackette: | and one is TV |
| [18:48:21] | doobeh: | Ahh |
| [18:49:14] | Cackette: | so, which one is recommended for just recording non-HD |
| [18:50:48] | directhex: | a non-FM one |
| [18:51:12] | Cackette: | well, obviously |
| [18:51:16] | Cackette: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;Order=PRICE |
| [18:51:31] | Cackette: | from that list, whats the difference between the first and second product other than price |
| [18:52:09] | directhex: | remote |
| [18:52:12] | directhex: | or lack thereof |
| [18:52:24] | Cackette: | so is the first one the commonly used one |
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| [19:06:40] | mick_home: | does anyone know if MythTivo still works for more recent builds? |
| [19:07:05] | clever[rev]: | found a new segfault! |
| [19:07:31] | clever[rev]: | this=0x0 in the ringbuffer |
| [19:08:14] | clever[rev]: | http://www.pastebin.ca/906478 |
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| [19:15:41] | jarle: | running trunk I experience the following. I go into the program guide, and as soon as I start to navigate in either direction, my backend log will start to be filling up with a LOT of repeated messages like this: http://pastebin.ca/906486 Any ideas? |
| [19:16:42] | jarle: | Often mythtv will not change channel from withing the program guide either, however it works just fine when I type in the channum by hand... |
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| [19:26:37] | Hannibal-: | a newer version of trunk fixed changing in the guide for tv channels, but radio channels didn't work as of my feb 10th compile |
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| [19:28:14] | jarle: | Hannibal-: this is latest mythbuntu weekly trunk build, it used to work fine before, I guess it's already fixed in svn trunk... |
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| [19:32:43] | plb: | how do you increase the size of the directory where mythtv stores videos...mythttv is saying it's full |
| [19:32:52] | plb: | and won't start =\ |
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| [19:34:53] | DustyBin: | dont tell me ive been sitting here for the last 5 hours trying to get custom mode-lines working on my s-video output |
| [19:35:14] | DustyBin: | only to find out that you cannot do custom mode-lines on the tv-out s-video |
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| [19:37:01] | directhex: | oh, did nobody mention that? |
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| [19:37:56] | DustyBin: | :( |
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| [19:39:16] | jarle: | plb: you mean mythtv recordings or just general videos? |
| [19:39:31] | GlemSom: | When reversing at 30x speed it tends to freeze mythtv... I see this in mythfrontend.log: 2008-02–16 19:01:23.201 ivtv picture start overflow, please inform mythtv-dev@mythtv.org Any suggestions? (using the latest mythtv) |
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| [19:42:02] | directhex: | are there any "epia optimized" distros i should be aware of? |
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| [19:54:12] | Balachmar: | Hi, could anyone help me fix my sound problem, because mythtv is nagging that /dev/dsp is in use but fuser doesn't find anything |
| [19:54:15] | directhex: | http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/picturebox-2 . . . #picture_nav – teh small |
| [19:54:35] | directhex: | Balachmar, switch to alsa! |
| [19:55:49] | Balachmar: | what so I have to specify in the settings then? |
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| [20:03:16] | Balachmar: | @directhex: How would I do that? |
| [20:04:02] | directhex: | set the output device to ALSA:default i think |
| [20:07:35] | DustyBin: | bastard |
| [20:07:52] | DustyBin: | xrandr has been reporting that im getting 60hz |
| [20:07:55] | DustyBin: | refresh rate |
| [20:07:57] | DustyBin: | but really its 50 |
| [20:08:12] | DustyBin: | thanks to xrandr ive wasted another 1 hour |
| [20:08:38] | DustyBin: | 5 hours trying to work out custom mode lines for s-video + 1 hour xrandr |
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| [20:09:44] | Balachmar: | @directhex It then dumps the core and tells me that I didn't compile mythtv with alsa support |
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| [20:12:48] | directhex: | Balachmar, well that was a very silly thing to do |
| [20:13:10] | directhex: | DustyBin, xrandr seems prone to lying. it tells me i'm on 50hz when i'm not |
| [20:13:14] | Balachmar: | Directhex you happen to know how I can compile it with alsa support? |
| [20:13:41] | directhex: | Balachmar, if your distribution provided alsaless packages, your distribution's mythtv package maintainers need a slap |
| [20:14:42] | Balachmar: | @directhex I am compiling from source, because I am currently developing :) |
| [20:16:34] | directhex: | there's probably some --enable-alsa flag. or you need some kind of alsa-devel package. or both |
| [20:16:54] | DustyBin: | directhex: ive installed glxgears |
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| [20:22:43] | Esotericisms: | good afternoon, the playback of my videos doesn't seem to be working properly ... when I skip forward the progress indicator isn't working and when I skip back it always goes to the beginning |
| [20:22:46] | Esotericisms: | can anyone help? |
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| [20:24:03] | Te3-BloodyIron: | hey, anyone here I can get some help on backends with? |
| [20:25:17] | DustyBin: | Te3-BloodyIron: would you like me to inspect your backend ? |
| [20:25:22] | Esotericisms: | depends on what you need? lol |
| [20:25:25] | Te3-BloodyIron: | well i have some preliminary questions first |
| [20:25:36] | Te3-BloodyIron: | im trying to add another frontend that is beefy enough to do some additional storage and transcoding |
| [20:25:38] | ** DustyBin probes Te3-BloodyIron back end ** | |
| [20:25:52] | Te3-BloodyIron: | however i have the master backend running the mysql database |
| [20:26:12] | Te3-BloodyIron: | is there only one mysql database for the mythtv infrastructure, or do i need a db on each backend? |
| [20:26:22] | Esotericisms: | single |
| [20:26:44] | Balachmar: | There is only one "master" backend |
| [20:26:51] | Te3-BloodyIron: | okay, so do i even need to bother running mysql on boot? |
| [20:26:53] | Balachmar: | but you can have multiple other backends |
| [20:27:02] | Esotericisms: | single database |
| [20:27:03] | Te3-BloodyIron: | yeah i figured as much, but i wasnt sure if there was more than one mysql db |
| [20:27:59] | Te3-BloodyIron: | so i just need mysql installed for the client? |
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| [20:29:09] | Balachmar: | mysql-client yes |
| [20:30:34] | DustyBin: | how can one work out the refresh rate from fps ? |
| [20:31:23] | Esotericisms: | can anyone help my issue, video playback isn't working, it isn't skipping correctly (like keeping track) and when I skip backward, it starts over even if I am at the end of the video file |
| [20:33:19] | Balachmar: | @ Esotericisms: is you fast forward borked as well? |
| [20:33:50] | Esotericisms: | yes, it doesn't keep track of skip progress and the audio does some funky static thing, it just started happening not sure whats up with it |
| [20:34:00] | Esotericisms: | and it takes forever to skip |
| [20:34:35] | Balachmar: | I think it might be something with the mysql database, maybe you did an unclean shutdown lately? |
| [20:35:06] | Esotericisms: | I just restarted the system to ensure it was all clean ... I checked the database already, but let me check it again |
| [20:35:45] | Balachmar: | there is a perl script to fix youre database |
| [20:35:50] | Esotericisms: | really? |
| [20:36:00] | Esotericisms: | I haven't seen that one |
| [20:36:06] | Esotericisms: | at least I don't think I have |
| [20:36:11] | Esotericisms: | I am running mysqlcheck right now on the db |
| [20:36:48] | Balachmar: | /home/wligtenb/prive/mythtv/mythtv/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [20:37:04] | Balachmar: | ooh no, that is the wrong one |
| [20:37:08] | Esotericisms: | cool I will check it out as soon as mysqlcheck is finished |
| [20:37:16] | Esotericisms: | hrm .. mysqlcheck didn't find any errors |
| [20:37:25] | Balachmar: | well, just do a locate on optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [20:37:35] | Balachmar: | run that perl script and it should do fine |
| [20:37:54] | Balachmar: | If not, then I don't know :) |
| [20:39:26] | Esotericisms: | running it |
| [20:41:59] | natty02: | Esotericisms, try here if it doesnt work: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Repairing_the_Seektable |
| [20:42:21] | Esotericisms: | to videos (not recordings have entries in the seektable?) |
| [20:43:49] | Balachmar: | maybe if you have paused them and saved the index |
| [20:43:55] | Balachmar: | position |
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| [20:49:53] | gentoofan23: | Hi, I'm using mythtv from the -fixes branch on gentoo(svn revision 14972. I'm trying to export some video files into a native archive using mytharchive. However, when I attempt to export it, it gives me this: MythNativeWizard: Failed to open file for writing – /archive/Pirates1/Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl/1061_20061225200000.mpg.xml. Any ideas? |
| [21:00:35] | directhex: | which -fixes branch? |
| [21:02:34] | Balachmar: | @gentoofan23 maybe change the name into something without ":" |
| [21:03:37] | GlemSom: | For some reason fast-forwarding/rewinding seems to freeze mythtv... This is what I see in the mythfrontend.log -> http://pastebin.ca/906634 |
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| [21:09:22] | gentoofan23: | directhex: mythtv -fixes for 0.20.2 I think |
| [21:09:25] | Hannibal-: | can anyone tell me what happen to previews in the guide? |
| [21:14:07] | gentoofan23: | And for the curious, the : is in the title of the recording. I can't change that. |
| [21:18:10] | justinh: | Hannibal-: que? |
| [21:18:58] | justinh: | oh dear. kdevelop really doesn't seem to work very well |
| [21:19:44] | directhex: | justinh, the clue is the ^k |
| [21:21:13] | justinh: | you should see the errors in the console. invalid popup menu items, wrong sizes, disconnected slots on QObjects.. it's a farking mess! |
| [21:21:52] | Hannibal-: | when i open my guide, it's fullscreen guide, no little video window |
| [21:22:03] | justinh: | Hannibal-: that's because there are 2 guides |
| [21:22:23] | justinh: | one you get from bringing up the guide in 'watch tv' and one you access from 'schedule recordings' |
| [21:22:51] | Hannibal-: | the one for tv used to put the tv show up in a window while you guide surfing tho |
| [21:23:01] | justinh: | and now? |
| [21:23:07] | Hannibal-: | it doesn't |
| [21:23:10] | justinh: | is there just a black box? |
| [21:23:18] | Hannibal-: | no black box, no space for a box even |
| [21:23:24] | justinh: | so what have you changed? |
| [21:23:25] | Hannibal-: | the top line is pure title |
| [21:23:39] | Hannibal-: | upgraded to release-0.21-fixes |
| [21:23:44] | Hannibal-: | that's all |
| [21:23:57] | justinh: | 'all' |
| [21:23:58] | justinh: | lol |
| [21:24:02] | Hannibal-: | ;-) |
| [21:24:08] | justinh: | pretty farking big change |
| [21:24:38] | justinh: | so, when you bring up the guide are you doing it from a keypress or via the OSD menu? |
| [21:24:49] | Hannibal-: | i suppose – i guess i will to review the commits for the past month or so, because that window was in trunk a few weeks ago |
| [21:24:56] | Hannibal-: | keypress |
| [21:25:09] | Hannibal-: | i also have it set to pop the guide when i enter live tv |
| [21:25:15] | justinh: | the keybindings/jumppoints have been fiddled with |
| [21:25:42] | justinh: | if you access the guide from the OSD menu what happens? |
| [21:27:33] | Hannibal-: | hm. let me see, it used be the 'm' key that pulled that up |
| [21:28:38] | Hannibal-: | same guide menu |
| [21:29:51] | justinh: | which theme are you using btw? |
| [21:29:59] | directhex: | i'm all out of kopparberg :( |
| [21:32:13] | Hannibal-: | titiltivus or something like that |
| [21:32:55] | justinh: | Hannibal-: well at least the theme shouldn't br broken :P |
| [21:33:07] | Hannibal-: | hehe |
| [21:33:13] | Hannibal-: | i'll try a diff theme |
| [21:33:16] | justinh: | Hannibal-: check the frontend output for anything suspicious |
| [21:33:26] | Hannibal-: | pip seems broken, i get segfaults trying to use it |
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| [21:34:15] | justinh: | no great loss there then |
| [21:35:41] | Hannibal-: | no diff with MythCenter-wide |
| [21:37:41] | justinh: | ach well. time to go buy MCE then |
| [21:38:31] | Hannibal-: | i think not ;-) |
| [21:40:58] | kdub: | get another frontend and use your TVs pip |
| [21:41:02] | kdub: | that is the obvious solution |
| [21:42:20] | justinh: | or.. never use live tv. like ever |
| [21:42:36] | justinh: | well maybe just to test tuners |
| [21:43:41] | kdub: | heh |
| [21:43:56] | kdub: | there are these things called 'sports' that people tend to like to watch live |
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| [21:44:27] | justinh: | sports. pfft. whatever they are |
| [21:45:25] | justinh: | actually my wife still watches some of her crap live. just not with mythtv cos there's no menu item for it |
| [21:46:24] | kdub: | youre married? |
| [21:46:39] | kdub: | for some reason i assumed you were like 19 |
| [21:47:51] | justinh: | hahaha no |
| [21:48:18] | justinh: | I dunno where you got that impression & I don't care tbh |
| [21:48:36] | kdub: | i dont know either, didnt expect you to care |
| [21:48:37] | justinh: | but somebody my age prolly shouldn't spend so much time in IRC and messing with OSS |
| [21:48:53] | justinh: | especially the last bit |
| [21:49:17] | kdub: | heh |
| [21:50:39] | justinh: | hit a brick wall in front of my latest plan. not happy. the class I want to use isn't a member of the class a function uses. so, way I understand it is I have to rewrite a big chunk of stuff or just forget the idea |
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| [21:52:07] | kdub: | i just bought a logitech mx air |
| [21:52:09] | kdub: | its pretty sweet |
| [21:52:20] | kdub: | i think i am going to take it back until someone gets gestures working in linux |
| [21:53:45] | justinh: | what am I missing here – setContext is member of myththemeddialog but programrecpriority.cpp uses mythdialog. myththemeddialog is a child of mythdialog (I think)... |
| [21:53:54] | justinh: | kdub: gestures work already |
| [21:54:04] | justinh: | use em in firefox & mythfrontend |
| [21:54:17] | kdub: | only the gestures that are built into it |
| [21:54:37] | justinh: | you should see the gesture I'm doing right now :P |
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| [21:54:54] | kdub: | heh |
| [21:55:11] | kreat0r: | man i just looked up the antennas in my area... |
| [21:55:14] | kreat0r: | im 8 miles from an antenna |
| [21:55:15] | justinh: | £70 for a friggin MOUSE?! |
| [21:55:19] | justinh: | ffs man |
| [21:55:29] | kreat0r: | i have the logitech mx revolution |
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| [21:55:45] | kdub: | justin, i wouldnt pay that |
| [21:55:54] | kdub: | i did for this one but im taking it back |
| [21:56:23] | kdub: | you can find them for like half that |
| [21:56:40] | kdub: | and it matches the dinovo edge keyboard |
| [21:56:42] | justinh: | will it work with (snigger) that linux-ish mediacenter effort? |
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| [21:56:49] | kdub: | heh |
| [21:56:51] | kdub: | i doubt it |
| [21:57:13] | sid: | Is there any reason I can't have a system, and have an X850 graphics card..output my gnome desktop to vga port, and the DVI to my hdtv with mythtv? |
| [21:57:13] | justinh: | I wouldn't be surprised. that works with a few very expensive human interface devices |
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| [21:57:31] | sid: | Can I use a system with ubuntu/gnome and mythtv/hdtv at the same time? |
| [21:57:32] | justinh: | sid: yes. if you have to ask it's probably beyond your ability |
| [21:57:45] | sid: | heh, I can do it |
| [21:57:55] | sid: | I'm just being safe, and making sure. |
| [21:58:00] | justinh: | man this coding is making me pissed off |
| [21:58:09] | justinh: | X850 sounds radeon-ish |
| [21:58:13] | sid: | http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/AddToCart.a . . . 27151154%7c1 |
| [21:58:21] | justinh: | please say it's nvidia |
| [21:58:27] | sid: | justinh: yes, best graphics card you can buy on the market, and still use xorg's ati driver |
| [21:58:33] | sid: | justinh: no, it's radeon |
| [21:58:43] | justinh: | sid: forget all about mythtv if you want to keep that card then |
| [21:58:48] | justinh: | forget all about it |
| [21:59:05] | sid: | I'm getting this wireless card: http://www.microbarn.com/details.aspx?rid=101626 |
| [21:59:16] | kdub: | why do you want a good video card for your HTPC? |
| [21:59:19] | sid: | So I can use Ath5k, instead of proprietary madwifi with hal blob |
| [21:59:29] | sid: | kdub: So I can play games on my desktop? |
| [21:59:30] | kdub: | just get integrated or cheap nvidia |
| [21:59:33] | kdub: | what games? |
| [21:59:34] | sid: | kdub: It will be a desktop/htpc |
| [21:59:38] | sid: | cube etc |
| [21:59:38] | justinh: | kdub: he needs a good video card, so he should dump the ati thing |
| [21:59:41] | kdub: | anyone tell you mythtv runs linux? |
| [21:59:41] | kdub: | heh |
| [21:59:52] | kdub: | in* |
| [22:00:02] | kreat0r: | haven't ati's drivers gotten a lot better? |
| [22:00:03] | sid: | That motherboard is supported by linuxbios/coreboot also |
| [22:00:12] | kreat0r: | i remember them being embarassingly bad years ago |
| [22:00:16] | sid: | my goal is to make a desktop/htpc and make it as free as possible |
| [22:00:23] | justinh: | on ATI's website they even say don't go running to them with support requests for *mythtv* (whatever that is) and most linux media players |
| [22:01:02] | justinh: | sid: free isn't always best. sad state of affairs. no point in doing it just for the sake of it. I'd call it cutting off your nose to spite microsoft |
| [22:01:12] | iamlindoro_: | I love when people say that... and then want all the codecs they want to play to work too |
| [22:01:32] | justinh: | divx? oh sorry not free |
| [22:01:35] | justinh: | mp3? sorry not free |
| [22:01:46] | iamlindoro_: | "I want a free desktop that's free free free! Oh, and I want it to play MPEG-2 and AC3 and MP3 and and and..." |
| [22:01:46] | justinh: | wmv? hahaa |
| [22:01:55] | kdub: | uhm |
| [22:02:19] | sid: | justinh: This will be a nice system. What's the problem? |
| [22:02:27] | justinh: | I want to wear a straighjacket, be laden with lead blocks and thrown into a big glass tank full of water to experience total freedom |
| [22:02:40] | sid: | X850 are good graphics, xorg's ati driver supports 3d accel, and dual output etc |
| [22:02:56] | justinh: | sid: I don't see Xv in that 'supports' list there |
| [22:03:13] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Let the man buy his ATI driver, and let's be absolutely sure NOT to help when his mythtv can't play video |
| [22:03:18] | iamlindoro_: | er ATI card |
| [22:04:30] | justinh: | if you really want to be 'free' you must eschew any dependence on propriatary codecs. no dvd, no mp3, no divx, no wmv, no quicktime, no flash... |
| [22:04:58] | sid: | justinh: no, that's not free..that's legal |
| [22:05:15] | sid: | libdvdread3 is GPL'd, lame is gpld, xvid is gpld, ffmpeg is gpl'd |
| [22:05:37] | sid: | But using these is violating the DMCA, and infringing on patents etc, so I would be breaking American law(if I'm in america) |
| [22:05:41] | iamlindoro_: | Just because there's GPL code to play them does NOT mean they're not patent and rights encumbered |
| [22:05:45] | sid: | But I would still be using free software. |
| [22:06:59] | kreat0r: | sid has a point |
| [22:07:10] | kreat0r: | he wouldn't be violating american laws since he isn't a citizen here |
| [22:07:12] | kdub: | no he doesnt |
| [22:07:14] | sid: | Although a lot of the integrated circuits etc, there is no documentation/specs for them, there will be lots of proprietary ics on this machine, but my bios, and my user/kernel land can be very free |
| [22:07:31] | kdub: | you shouldnt feel bad for breaking stupid laws |
| [22:07:47] | sid: | massive civil disobedience |
| [22:08:41] | sid: | Thomson's mp3 patent expires in 2009, iirc. only a matter of time |
| [22:08:50] | sid: | But all those MPEG-2 patents, there are like over 700 of them |
| [22:09:04] | sid: | took longer to negotiate the patents, then it did to develop the MPEG-2 standard |
| [22:09:15] | sid: | kind of sad, american patent system is garbage. software patents should be abolished |
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| [22:10:21] | sid: | Microsoft is being forced by the European Commision to open up wmv to competitors. |
| [22:10:36] | sid: | There are fees involved, iirc. but it's an improvement |
| [22:10:54] | justinh: | fees & NDAs no doubt :P |
| [22:11:02] | sid: | And gnash is looking pretty good, I watch youtube with gnash, works fine for me |
| [22:11:07] | sid: | if ffmpeg can play the codec, it works |
| [22:11:46] | kreat0r: | sid: why waste all this time/energy on open source and shit |
| [22:11:48] | kreat0r: | go get laid |
| [22:11:51] | kreat0r: | or something |
| [22:12:14] | sid: | I get laid as much as I restart my server(it runs GNU/Linux) |
| [22:12:15] | justinh: | I more or less sit on the fence w.r.t. OSS |
| [22:12:21] | kreat0r: | hahaha |
| [22:12:24] | sid: | I wish I got laid as much as my co-worker, he runs windows server 2003 |
| [22:12:32] | kdub: | dork |
| [22:12:57] | iamlindoro_: | kreat0r: seconded. I love when the cause people can muster the most passion about is getting their software for free. The founders of civil rights movements must be exceedingly proud |
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| [22:13:33] | sid: | Well I think X850 works, I have an X800 in my work box. I think I'll test everything on that machine a bit, before I buy the X850 |
| [22:14:02] | sid: | anyway, I appreciate the help/warnings, I prefer to be informed then make a mistake. if it doesn't work out..I'll get a different card |
| [22:14:17] | justinh: | so er.. what games will you be playing to make full use of that card in linux? |
| [22:14:23] | sid: | cube |
| [22:16:46] | iamlindoro_: | gah, enough of this, I'm going to play a game I just BOUGHT on my MICROSOFT Xbox 360 |
| [22:16:59] | sid: | hehe |
| [22:17:36] | ** sid is off to dinner ** | |
| [22:17:46] | kdub: | the only decent games you can play in linux are roms you stole off the internet |
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| [22:17:57] | kreat0r: | how about enemy territory |
| [22:18:07] | kreat0r: | that's about all i can think of |
| [22:18:08] | kdub: | yeah that one is fine |
| [22:18:17] | kdub: | i want goddam unreal tournament 3 |
| [22:18:19] | kreat0r: | thats about the most modern game ported to linux |
| [22:18:34] | kreat0r: | ut3 hasn't been ported? |
| [22:18:36] | kdub: | ut3, is ported, but they have not released it yet |
| [22:18:41] | kreat0r: | why not |
| [22:18:46] | kdub: | some licensing issues |
| [22:18:55] | kreat0r: | oh yeah |
| [22:19:01] | kreat0r: | didn't icculus say it was something minor too? |
| [22:19:06] | kdub: | yeah |
| [22:19:06] | kreat0r: | but people are making a big deal out of nothing |
| [22:19:14] | kreat0r: | did he reveal what it was? |
| [22:19:25] | kdub: | well, it is kind of a big deal for people that bought the game thinking the client was going to be out |
| [22:19:29] | kdub: | but those people are dumb anyway |
| [22:19:38] | kdub: | nah, he just said it was some middleware |
| [22:20:03] | justinh: | humph. without a much better understanding of c++ the brick wall will have to remain. bah & thrice bah! |
| [22:21:00] | kdub: | you could |
| [22:21:01] | kdub: | like |
| [22:21:04] | kdub: | learn c++ |
| [22:21:54] | kreat0r: | is DRM going to be implemented in linux? |
| [22:21:57] | justinh: | yeah but that takes time & what I've already managed to achieve isn't bad for no real knowledge :) Also, even if I knew c++ in any detail it might not necessarily even help |
| [22:22:18] | justinh: | kreat0r: ask Fluendo |
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| [22:26:58] | kdub: | HD DVD officially quit eh |
| [22:27:14] | kdub: | i saw two people buying HD DVD players today at frys |
| [22:27:40] | DustyBin: | justinh: ive finally got 720x526@50hz working, freeview looks nice a smooth, however when i play a dvd through mythtv the video jerks quite a bit, does this mean dvd are not recorded at 50hz ? |
| [22:28:05] | kdub: | the DVD is probably 24 or 25 fps |
| [22:28:22] | justinh: | kdub: officially quit? |
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| [22:28:50] | kdub: | http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/02/16/toshiba- . . . dvd-already/ |
| [22:28:56] | jsbot is now known as Woosta | |
| [22:29:07] | justinh: | DustyBin: should be fine. they're mostly 576i in PAL land |
| [22:29:45] | DustyBin: | justinh: do you use your TV to play dvds from mythtv ? |
| [22:30:03] | justinh: | DustyBin: can't remember the last time I did |
| [22:30:09] | DustyBin: | aye ok |
| [22:30:13] | justinh: | don't think I've used it on the new frontend yet |
| [22:30:18] | kdub: | the internal player always freaking dies on me and i end up launching DVDs from a terminal with mplayer |
| [22:30:36] | DustyBin: | justinh: i rememeber the latest svn version of mythtv handles dvd playback a hell of a lot better |
| [22:30:42] | justinh: | I tested it – seemed fine |
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| [22:31:08] | justinh: | but not actually sat down to watch a film I own. not that I own many. waste of space, they are |
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| [22:31:43] | DustyBin: | the native 720x576 resolution does look slightly better on my tv |
| [22:31:58] | justinh: | that's it. programrecpriority is a member of mythdialog and changing that will be a mare |
| [22:32:02] | justinh: | so screw it |
| [22:32:05] | DustyBin: | however, im still going to build a VGA > SCART lead |
| [22:32:35] | DustyBin: | ^^ that is optimum quality |
| [22:33:11] | DustyBin: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/RGB_Scart |
| [22:33:36] | DustyBin: | how could one ignore something like this: |
| [22:33:38] | DustyBin: | "Driving a TV directly has some advantages. The quality is superior to composite or S-video, and as the video card's TV encoder is completely bypassed, custom resolutions and refresh rates can be programmed. On the down side, this method can require some experimentation to get right." |
| [22:34:06] | justinh: | DustyBin: because it's a load of hassle & not everybody has zillions of RGB scart inputs |
| [22:34:25] | DustyBin: | i got 2x scart inputs on my TV, one is RGB capable |
| [22:34:27] | justinh: | my cable box takes SCART 1 |
| [22:34:34] | DustyBin: | my gfx card is capable too |
| [22:34:40] | DustyBin: | aye ok |
| [22:34:47] | justinh: | and no no no no, I ain't putting that into mythtv. |
| [22:34:52] | DustyBin: | hehe |
| [22:35:24] | justinh: | the tvout on my current frontend is spiffy though |
| [22:35:40] | DustyBin: | justinh: i always thought you should of been one of those guys with a massive motorized satellite dish in the garden |
| [22:36:04] | justinh: | what? addicted to porn? |
| [22:36:11] | DustyBin: | hehe |
| [22:36:28] | ** justinh laughs at this channel's preconceived ideas ** | |
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| [22:37:19] | justinh: | yeah I'm a grumpy bastard. yeah I do themes & stuff. I used to be a DJ & take my nerdism there too. I just.. well.. I have other priorities |
| [22:38:30] | DustyBin: | ive got the following tasks ahead of me: build a vga>scart lead, get it working, install sound-card and get digital out working |
| [22:38:37] | justinh: | I'm sorta pissed off I don't have the nuts to do what I'd set out to do this weekend but hey I'm just a beginner |
| [22:39:50] | justinh: | get digital out working. tick the 'iec958' enable box in the linuxy mixer |
| [22:40:00] | squee: | I'm looking for a cheap mythtv frontend. It needs to be able to play hd video, and not much else. I was considering a mac mini, but does anyone else have any recommendations? |
| [22:40:56] | justinh: | what the FUCK are the government on? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7247470.stm |
| [22:40:58] | kdub: | its either that or a cheap thin dell |
| [22:41:07] | justinh: | £10 license to smoke?! wtf?! |
| [22:41:14] | DustyBin: | LOL |
| [22:41:21] | justinh: | squee: mac mini |
| [22:41:24] | justinh: | or a mac mini |
| [22:41:31] | squee: | alright, thanks |
| [22:41:39] | DustyBin: | is a mac mini capable of HD playback o_0 |
| [22:41:42] | justinh: | you ain't gonna get as small & powerful machine at that price which looks as nice |
| [22:41:47] | justinh: | DustyBin: yeah |
| [22:41:55] | ** DustyBin suprised ** | |
| [22:41:56] | justinh: | core2 duo ones is |
| [22:42:50] | justinh: | seeing if the bbc have picked up on the hd-dvd story yet |
| [22:43:44] | DustyBin: | does that mean one would need to install linux on the mac mini? |
| [22:44:02] | DustyBin: | or is there a os x version of myth frontend ? |
| [22:44:13] | jams: | yes |
| [22:44:54] | DustyBin: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Choosing_Frontend_Hardware |
| [22:45:20] | justinh: | once I have £400 to burn I'm gettin one |
| [22:45:43] | DustyBin: | "Intel Minis Use integrated GPU rather than dedicated chip. But, this is probably more of a drawback for 3D performance than video. GPU has video acceleration capabilities, but no Linux support yet." |
| [22:45:49] | DustyBin: | 0_o |
| [22:46:18] | justinh: | DustyBin: doesn't need xvmc |
| [22:46:30] | justinh: | xvmc is crap anyway – too many disadvantages |
| [22:46:57] | DustyBin: | a mac mini + gentoo sounds like a plan |
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| [22:47:08] | justinh: | you had me until you said gentoo |
| [22:48:28] | DustyBin: | jeeze, you dont even need to install linux on the mac mini |
| [22:48:31] | DustyBin: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_on_Mac_OS_X |
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| [22:49:29] | justinh: | we had stuarta & his mac mini at lugwasteoftime last year |
| [22:49:59] | kreat0r: | how can i tell if the digital chans in my area that are over air are true HD? |
| [22:50:06] | DustyBin: | justinh: was it running os x or linux |
| [22:50:10] | justinh: | I never even gave them a thought til I saw one in real life. |
| [22:50:12] | justinh: | osx |
| [22:50:16] | DustyBin: | aye nice |
| [22:50:54] | DustyBin: | justinh: the only problem you might have if your still going to use your CRT is no TV OUT |
| [22:51:16] | justinh: | DustyBin: bollocks. it'll work. same vga chipset as the thing my frontend runs on |
| [22:51:53] | justinh: | they use spare pins on the DVI port for it |
| [22:52:09] | justinh: | so you need an adapter – but it's only like a tenner |
| [22:52:20] | DustyBin: | VGA > SCART ? |
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| [22:52:40] | DustyBin: | using composite |
| [22:53:08] | DustyBin: | you could use the apple remote to control it too :D |
| [22:53:22] | justinh: | no, svideo & composite out of the DVI port's spare (normally unused) pins |
| [22:53:37] | DustyBin: | i see |
| [22:53:39] | justinh: | the apple remote. careful you don't inhale it |
| [22:53:44] | DustyBin: | LOL |
| [22:54:02] | ** DustyBin away: drop the children off ** | |
| [22:54:06] | justinh: | I've totally done my homework on it believe me |
| [22:56:54] | justinh: | I even have the remote worked out. lirc works, its inbuilt receiver can recognise up to 255 buttons. I can program my remote to send buttons using the mac IR codes (way more than 6). I couldn't find any evidence a while ago that PAL TV out works (but it does on my frontend with the same chipset, so should).. |
| [22:57:56] | justinh: | but more than a minor snag is the audio output – both digital & analogue are on the same socket (digi is optical) meaning you can't use them both at the same time so I'd have to turn my amp on to watch telly. I don't disapprove but wifey does |
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| [22:59:55] | justinh: | hmmm seems NHK broke the story about HD-DVD, must be at least a grain of truth in that then |
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| [23:00:59] | Cackette: | hey guyz |
| [23:01:22] | Cackette: | what is a decent sized HD for recording HD and regular stuff |
| [23:01:24] | Cackette: | 250? |
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| [23:01:48] | justinh: | 8GB an hour? you do the sums |
| [23:01:59] | justinh: | how much do you want to store? |
| [23:02:02] | Cackette: | 8GB is for HD? |
| [23:02:14] | justinh: | anyway for a while the best price per GB has been 500GB |
| [23:02:23] | Cackette: | what does SD use per hour |
| [23:02:25] | justinh: | Cackette: average for HD.. or so |
| [23:03:01] | justinh: | depends on the bitrate you set on your pvr card or what the broadcaster churns out (for digital) – tends to be about 2GB/hour typical |
| [23:03:07] | Cackette: | ok |
| [23:03:11] | Cackette: | thanks |
| [23:03:30] | justinh: | I only record SD & have a 500GB HDD. it's almost more than enough |
| [23:03:42] | justinh: | that's just for recordings mind you |
| [23:04:46] | kreat0r: | doesanyone here record via antenna? |
| [23:05:01] | justinh: | yeah |
| [23:05:10] | kreat0r: | is the quality good? |
| [23:05:15] | justinh: | digital :D |
| [23:05:47] | justinh: | remember there may be people here from a different country to your own :P |
| [23:06:18] | cowman: | I'm having a video playpack problem, maybe someone can help |
| [23:06:50] | ** justinh calls the A-Team ** | |
| [23:06:54] | cowman: | when watching livetv or trying to watch recordings from mythfrontend the video is corrupt. audio is ok but video is just a bunch of random colored lines |
| [23:07:04] | orkid_: | A-Team here, what uup |
| [23:07:21] | justinh: | orkid_: cowman has a problem no-one else can help with |
| [23:07:30] | cowman: | however, the thumbnail previews for recordings look fine, and watching tv from mplayer works fine |
| [23:07:39] | justinh: | cowman: crappy video drivers |
| [23:07:45] | justinh: | as in VGA card drivers |
| [23:08:05] | cowman: | so I need new video card drivers? |
| [23:08:12] | orkid_: | cowman: did you try to run it from another player? or transcode the files to something else and then play them (all w/o the mythfrontend) |
| [23:08:12] | justinh: | depends. |
| [23:08:29] | cowman: | why would video work in every other case except there though... |
| [23:08:31] | justinh: | if ATI, no new drivers will fix it |
| [23:08:46] | cowman: | nvidia, using the drivers provided by nvidia |
| [23:09:04] | orkid_: | cowman: trying troubleshooting here, eliminate things |
| [23:09:07] | orkid_: | cowman: simplify |
| [23:09:30] | orkid_: | cowman: try to run it with another player (that runs mythtv files) and/or transcode and try it with another player |
| [23:09:35] | cowman: | if I type mythtv from the command line, I just get raw TV and it works fine |
| [23:09:35] | orkid_: | to rule out that it's mythfrontend |
| [23:09:46] | cowman: | mplayer /dev/video1 shows TV. IT works just fine |
| [23:09:55] | cowman: | I think it has to be the frontend |
| [23:10:05] | justinh: | cowman: really? just running mythtv from the commandline works fine? |
| [23:10:10] | orkid_: | if you schedule a recording, does mythbackend record it fine ? |
| [23:10:16] | orkid_: | can you play it after it's done recording? |
| [23:10:25] | DustyBin: | justinh: the mac mini sounds like a perfect front end, saves the hassle of building something what will be 5x as big yourself |
| [23:10:26] | justinh: | that's basically the same thing as running mythfrontend & going into live tv |
| [23:10:34] | cowman: | no, but I can see the thumbnail preview and it looks ok |
| [23:10:38] | justinh: | DustyBin: yup |
| [23:10:47] | orkid_: | cowman: so it doesn't run either ? |
| [23:10:47] | justinh: | cowman: that only proves the recording is fine |
| [23:11:08] | justinh: | anyway. I'm off to watch some telly |
| [23:11:17] | orkid_: | cowman: you get garbage when you try to play a recorded tv show ? |
| [23:11:43] | cowman: | I take it back, mythtv from command line does NOT work although I could have sworn it did once |
| [23:11:58] | cowman: | and yes I get garbage for playback |
| [23:12:52] | justinh: | cowman: that sounds more sane |
| [23:12:52] | cowman: | it's very odd |
| [23:13:17] | clever[rev]: | weee |
| [23:13:20] | clever[rev]: | irexec froze up |
| [23:13:21] | justinh: | so. it used to work? |
| [23:13:27] | justinh: | cowman: ^^ |
| [23:13:30] | clever[rev]: | so i hit the frontend button more |
| [23:13:30] | clever[rev]: | now i got 6 frontends! |
| [23:13:45] | DustyBin: | i forgot, the mac minis also come with a dvd player! |
| [23:14:05] | justinh: | anyway. I'm off to watch some telly. I REALLY am |
| [23:14:21] | clever[rev]: | cowman: 'mythtv' can be used like 'mplayer' for playing most files |
| [23:14:28] | cowman: | it might have once. This is a new install of myth though |
| [23:15:01] | orkid_: | does the recorded show play in mplayer? |
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| [23:16:45] | cowman: | no |
| [23:16:57] | cowman: | and this is weird, mplayer doesn't work now. same corrupt video |
| [23:17:04] | cowman: | where it worked 5 minutes ago |
| [23:17:39] | cowman: | so maybe a buggy video overlay? |
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| [23:19:48] | clever[rev]: | mplayer ... -vo x11 |
| [23:21:01] | orkid_: | cowman: is this a new computer too? maybe it's ram ? |
| [23:21:28] | cowman: | that command worked |
| [23:21:32] | orkid_: | cowman: did you try various video outputs with mplayer (-vo .. like x11 gl2 [if you have dri]) |
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| [23:22:05] | orkid_: | cowman: can you play a known good video file (ideally a show recorded on another computer using mythtv) |
| [23:22:22] | orkid_: | cowman: so that shows your video correctly? |
| [23:22:24] | cowman: | gl2 works |
| [23:22:31] | cowman: | x11 works |
| [23:22:36] | orkid_: | so x11 and gl2 shows your video correctly? |
| [23:22:40] | cowman: | I'm playing an mpeg file myth recorded |
| [23:22:52] | cowman: | yup |
| [23:23:13] | orkid_: | so it sounds like whatever mythtv uses by default is 'broken' in the video card driver perhaps |
| [23:23:22] | orkid_: | this is an ATI card oyu mentioned runing fglrx ? |
| [23:24:11] | orkid_: | i don't know personally, but there might be a way to make mythtv use x11 or gl2 for its internal player, it can most definitely do this for its external player |
| [23:24:14] | cowman: | it's an nvidia card |
| [23:25:31] | orkid_: | hmm, did you try with the 'nv' driver instead of 'nvidia' ? |
| [23:25:51] | orkid_: | (you might be able to use xv and x11, but not gl2) |
| [23:26:37] | cowman: | ok, I just tried playing one of the mythtv files with xine |
| [23:26:59] | cowman: | corrupt video, but then I went into the settings and changed the playback to gl2 and it works fine that way |
| [23:27:19] | orkid_: | so it's something to do with the xv output (default at least in mplayer) |
| [23:27:50] | cowman: | would video drivers cause that? I can upgrade them in about 2 minutes |
| [23:29:11] | orkid_: | possibly |
| [23:29:22] | cowman: | brb... |
| [23:29:29] | orkid_: | or something with the X Video Extension |
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| [23:32:45] | cowman: | the newest drivers fixed it |
| [23:34:47] | orkid_: | :) |
| [23:34:54] | orkid_: | A-Team out |
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| [23:37:06] | cowman: | thanks, guys |
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