Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, February 13th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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justinh:

imperfect-: general updates

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justinh:

code-er: none spring to mind

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imperfect-:

Nope

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imperfect-:

Not that I know of

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phoohb:

Does this thing handle DVB-T?

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imperfect-:

I mean it literaell worked for ever

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imperfect-:

I even recompiled everything after this started

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imperfect-:

still no go

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** directhex still wants to hear verification of the screen res, since the nvidia driver has a fallback when no valid modes work **

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imperfect-:

backend stil records and eveything

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code-er:

justinh: it almost looks liek the aspect ratio is 1:1 not 4:3 lOl

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imperfect-:

ust can't run frontend

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phoohb:

hello???

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phoohb:

Does this thing handle DVB-T?

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directhex:

and 720x480 is not a standard supported one

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directhex:

phoohb, what "thing"?

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code-er:

directhex: "standard supported: what?

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phoohb:

directhex: this, this myth-tv

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directhex:

phoohb, since some time between the american war of independence and world war three, yes

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justinh:

phoohb: "thing" ? you don't call mythtv a thing

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phoohb:

justinh: I cant find it in the manual

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directhex:

code-er, 720x480 is not on the list of resolutions that the nvidia driver will implicitly support without a modeline.

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phoohb:

There is no dvb for this

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imperfect-:

man i'm geting discourged

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imperfect-:

I'd love to know what it doesn't have access to

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justinh:

phoohb: yeah dvb-t is supported. any DVB-T card which works in linux should just work (tm)

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directhex:

it's, like, i know i'm typing things because i can see them on my screen, yet it's not being seen by anyone else. strange

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justinh:

directhex: on IRC it's not a fact til 10 other people have said the same thing :P

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directhex:

did dvb appear in 0.15 or earlier? certainly long before i cared about the project

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phoohb:

justinh: I cant set it up... ( the setup ask alotr of question (all vieo sources are /dev/video0, and not form the /dev/dvb/adaptor0...) I cant figure it out..'

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justinh:

directhex: first started appearing around then I think. that's when I hopped on the bandwagon

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directhex:

phoohb, then you're really making an effort to do it wrong

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code-er:

ok another stupid question then

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phoohb:

Are there any good tutorial/guide howto setup a dvb-t card, for this, this???

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code-er:

is ther a reason why the output is liek rounded on the sides like this ( )

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justinh:

phoohb: does the tuner work in other linux apps?

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directhex:

phoohb, http://img.hexus.net/v2/articles/MythTV/myth-11.jpg

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justinh:

code-er: ?! sounds screwy to me

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phoohb:

justinh: yes, I can play it in Mplayer, and something in kde

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directhex:

phoohb, you didn't notice the large "card type" bit, where you can pick dvb?

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directhex:

code-er, sounds like your res is being funny. did i mention i'm unconvinced about your res?

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code-er:

directhex: unconvinced?

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code-er:

directhex: as in "dont beleave me"

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phoohb:

directhex: yes, I saw it, BUT is on wrong device..(need guide..

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directhex:

code-er, unconvinced. i want to see something other than your config file (which defines intention), which agrees with the 720x480 implication

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justinh:

phoohb: all dvb devices are /dev/dvb/adapterX

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justinh:

phoohb: you want nothing to do with /dev/video devices for DVB tuners

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code-er:

ok

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code-er:

<code-er> Option "metamodes" "720x480 +0+0"

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phoohb:

justinh: YES! (but not anything I can choose in that setup

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directhex:

phoohb, pick dvb from the list, "dvb card number X" means /dev/dvb/adapterX/

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code-er:

or

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code-er:

(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "MetaModes" "720x480 +0+0"

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code-er:

(II) NVIDIA(0): "720x480+0+0"

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code-er:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 720 x 480

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code-er:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "720x480+0+0"

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code-er:

i just though running it at 720x480 will give me best ressolution

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code-er:

bad idea?

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iamlindoro_:

sorta sounds like someone compiled without --enable-dvb

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, what kind of twat would do that?

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iamlindoro_:

we get all *kinds* of twats in here ;)

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, i'd say my screenshot is pretty explicit, i'm not sure what more people would want

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iamlindoro_:

directhex: Wasn't blaming you for anything at all, just saying (if he compiled) that that might be the issue

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code-er:

directhex: so what do you think? bad idea?

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directhex:

code-er, well, it's an unconventional res to use (it's 3:2)

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code-er:

directhex: hmm.. so 800x600 then?

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CCFL_Man2:

my chaparral feedhorn came today

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directhex:

code-er, is your screen 4:3?

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code-er:

yes

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directhex:

code-er, then yes, you probably want 800x600#

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code-er:

but tv is 720x480 is it not?

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kdub:

TV is analogX480

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phoohb:

Nope.. (To See Dvb, ./configure --enable-dvb .. (so not included, in my compilation, hope to chat with you again. Say10–20min

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code-er:

kdub: s ???x480 !"!"1

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kdub:

regular analog signals do not have a horizontal resolution

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iamlindoro_:

directhex: looks like my hunch was right ;)

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iamlindoro_:

directhex: at least, I *think* that's what he said

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, Â¬_Â¬

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directhex:

code-er, NTSC DVD is 720x480

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justinh:

kdub: true and yet not true at the same time

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code-er:

directhex: so how do i get the best "analog tv" lookign picture?

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kdub:

if i am wrong you are just worried about symmantix

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Dorward_:

I've trying to set up a user job, but when I mark a recording to use it, it sits there queued. Is there a way to tell mythtv to run queued jobs immediately?

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kdub:

ics

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kdub:

whatever

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directhex:

code-er, whatever happens, things need scaling. there's an override somewhere in myth so you can tell it to scale things as if it were 4:3 if you like

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code-er:

ok thanx..

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code-er:

ill play around wit hit

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code-er:

ok how can itell what transponder a channel is on

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code-er:

"24#1

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code-er:

UNKNOWN24#1

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justinh:

mysql :)

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justinh:

SELECT mplexid, name, channum FROM channel;

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imperfect-:

Anyone know how I can update he database schema??

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justinh:

imperfect-: mythtv-setup

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imperfect-:

yeah

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imperfect-:

it doent load

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imperfect-:

it just says they dont match

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imperfect-:

boohoo

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imperfect-:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

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imperfect-:

2008-02–12 20:08:20.569 Couldn't upgrade database to new schema.

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imperfect-:

mythtv@mythtv:~$

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phoohb:

Hello anybody awake? I cant configure, so that my dvb-card function, any body here with one?

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phoohb:

Im reading http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB#DVB_in_MythTV (but it tells nada

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phoohb:

HELLO!

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phoohb:

HELP!

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justinh:

phoohb: you have been told what to do already

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justinh:

phoohb: can you run mythbackend --version in a terminal & check that using_dvb is output ?

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justinh:

phoohb: that's just gonna verify mythtv was built with DVB support built in. if that doesn't appear, you're boned til you get one where it says "using_dvb"

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clever[rev]:

scheduling is broken during mythfilldatabase

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clever[rev]:

scheduling marks to record things that normaly wont be

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justinh:

clever[rev]: svn.mythtv.org – take a ticket :P

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justinh:

phoohb: well? what does mythbackend --version say?

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knowledgejunkie:

Does recording conflict resolution in current head allow a user to choose 'Never Record' in addition to 'Don't Record' to mark the programme to never record, as is possible for non-conflicting programlist entries?

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phoohb:

linux release using_v4l using_oss using_alsa using_arts using_jack using_ivtv using_dbox2 using_hdhr using_ip_rec using_freebox using_live using_joystick_menu using_dvb using_x11 using_xv using_xrandr using_frontend using_backend

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justinh:

phoohb: so you just need to set the card type as DVB in mythtv-setup

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justinh:

nobody is going to tell you any different

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phoohb:

almost all (and Im tired, have work tomorow, have to go) I did, but scan and twat didnt dig.

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iamlindoro_:

That sentence definitely didn't fish.

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phoohb:

Good night..

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iamlindoro_:

It absolutely fruited basket.

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justinh:

one more flies over the cukoos nest

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mikeones:

any issues with 2.6.24.x with svn trunk?

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CCFL_Man2:

i can pick up cumcast's cn8 via satellite, it's in the clear digicipher and i can pick it up with my dcII receiver

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, it certainly dingo echidna. isn't english great?

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iamlindoro_:

directhex: If only I had the keen grasp of it that some of our visitors have

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, remember, "embiggen" is a perfectly cromulent word

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mzb_d800:

watchoo talkin bout Willis? ;)

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iamlindoro_:

"phoohb: almost all (and Im tired, have work tomorow, have to go) I did, but scan and twat didnt dig."

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iamlindoro_:

that.

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mzb_d800:

I got it (not the sentence;)

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iamlindoro_:

Oh, my bad, didn't see that you were there when it... erm... happened.

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mzb_d800:

heh

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mzb_d800:

dm

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mzb_d800:

I guess Engrish means different things to different people ;)

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psm321:

sorry to keep repeating this, i hope my repeat rate is not too often...

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psm321:

is there any easy way to fix my db if i accidentally ran mythfilldatabase without --remove-new-channels (on a multi-tuner setup where one set of tuners can tune less channels than another)?

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psm321:

would simply reloading the 'channel' table from a recent backup and deleting/refilling 'program' be sufficient?

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mzb_d800:

I've met people too ashamed to go out of their house because of their accent or lack of English (skills), so I try not to worry too much about semantics ... as long as the message is clear I'm happy

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justinh:

yelling louder always helps

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mzb_d800:

WHAT? ;)

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justinh:

Brits are experts at it

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directhex:

absolutely

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mzb_d800:

ah ... industrial deafness strikes again

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justinh:

want a german to understand you? repeat yourself, only louder this time

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** cafuego vindt amerikanen een stuk erger **

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directhex:

that's the first lesson on going abroad – don't bother taking a phrasebook and speaking in foreign. just talk slowly and loudly in english until they understand

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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mzb_d800:

sign language?

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justinh:

makes me ashamed to be near Brits when I go on holiday

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directhex:

DO YOU HAVE ANY TEA?

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mzb_d800:

lol

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cafuego:

directhex: share and enjoy

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directhex:

TEA? CUP OF TEA WITH MILK?

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justinh:

funny that we're so lazy considering the pedigree of other countries we originate from

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directhex:

NO, NOT COFFEE... TEA! TEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAA!

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directhex:

justinh, that's what makes the BNP/UKIP such epic fail

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mzb_d800:

lazy or arrogant?

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justinh:

mzb_d800: both :)

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justinh:

as much of both as possible

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mzb_d800:

:)

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directhex:

british is a mongrel language, and britons are a mongrel people

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directhex:

that's what makes us special!

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justinh:

ducking foreigners. coming over here, making us cultured, teaching us how to read & write, bringing nice foods...

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justinh:

;)

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mzb_d800:

ah well ... somebody's got to do it I guess

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** directhex finds being racist in public is much easier when one has a mixed ethnic background **

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directhex:

though i look remarkably like a pale-skinned nerd for someone who's partly indian

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mzb_d800:

at least you look human ... I look like a worn out bottle brush ;)

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justinh:

says you

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mzb_d800:

:)

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directhex:

well, if one of your parents was a hedgehog...

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mzb_d800:

I have to wonder sometimes ;)

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mzb_d800:

(no offence to any bottle brushes listening)

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justinh:

sadly for my parents the obstinate tw** gene was passed down from my grandad. I look annoying, and _am_ annoying

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mzb_d800:

ah, it skipped a generation?

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justinh:

not so much in real life thank eff

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justinh:

real life, as opposed to pretendy life (IRC)

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** directhex hands justinh second life **

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DustyBin:

justinh: when one wants surround sound is one meant to buy one of those 5 speaker packages

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justinh:

starting to wish I'd never played with this code tonight. opened a bit of a can of worms & might end up in a tangle tomorrow

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directhex:

christ, i was going to have an EARLY night

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DustyBin:

ideally id like my surround sound to also be my music sound system

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DustyBin:

those little surround speakers dont like up to the job

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justinh:

DustyBin: not having really heard one of those shitty looking small satellite / sub packages I couldn't possibly comment

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directhex:

DustyBin, then you want a nice amp. boxed home theatre speaker setups are designed not to be expandable

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justinh:

I have a feeling they're not as good as those from Bose by a long way and even those leave a lot to be desired

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directhex:

bose are a marketing company

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DustyBin:

yep, i think a decent amp comes first, then a selection of normal speakers, not those tiny surround + sub packages

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justinh:

they don't sound _bad_ as such.. just something isn't right about them

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directhex:

one day they might hire an engineer, but mainly it's marketing

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justinh:

DustyBin: get decent fronts, decent amp first. then add rears & centre later

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DustyBin:

i want my setup to be my music sound system and my surround sound system for movies

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mzb_d800:

the old rule of thumb (pre surround?;) was "spend as much on your speakers as you do on your amp"

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DustyBin:

ok

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mzb_d800:

but I guess things might have changed

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justinh:

try to get them from a range which includes matching surround/centre though

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directhex:

mzb, i spent Â£400 on my amp!

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DustyBin:

justinh: ok

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justinh:

directhex: call yourself an audiophile?!

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justinh:

;)

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directhex:

justinh, no, i call myself someone who wanted lots of a/v inputs

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justinh:

fair nuff

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justinh:

only WAF is stopping me using my amp for switching

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DustyBin:

i really dont see the logic of having 1 amp and a selection of speakers for surround sound, then another amp and a pair for speakers for listening to music

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DustyBin:

mythmusic + dvds

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justinh:

DustyBin: get good front speakers. even since surround went full range you still don't need identical size speakers all round

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directhex:

and when you're spending N hundreds on an amp, it seemed silly not to go for (entry level) cutting edge. hence 7.1, hdmi 1.3, and pretty much all the hd audio formats

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justinh:

fronts will be doing most of the talking most of the time

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DustyBin:

justinh: aye ok, i think mission have a good selection of speakers

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justinh:

and centre when in movie mode

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mzb_d800:

a decent centre might help ;)

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directhex:

my amp came with a handy microphone which i hold at head level, and it then makes blip sounds on all the speakers to determine how much to amp each individual speaker for an "even" sound

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justinh:

takes the fun ahht, does that

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directhex:

justinh, i could do it by hand if i wanted to, but, um, fuck that tbh

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directhex:

anyway, BEDTIME

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mzb_d800:

neat idea though

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justinh:

aye I need to unwind & get some shuteye soon

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DustyBin:

wtf is a av reciever? what has video got to do with a amp? o_0

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mzb_d800:

switching

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justinh:

the man's right you know

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DustyBin:

it gives you more video inputs?

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DustyBin:

if your tv has 1 hdmi input, you can plug it into the av reciever, and it might have some more

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mzb_d800:

eg. I have a Sony STR-D565 which allows for TV, Video, Tape, Tuner ... etc

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DustyBin:

check out this beat

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DustyBin:

beast http://www.richersounds.com/showproduct.php?c . . . ONKY-TXSR605

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mzb_d800:

I also use a Panasonic VCR for a couple of extra inputs

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DustyBin:

"Video signals are enhanced by a Faroudja DCDi Edge Deinterlacer and HDMI and component video upconversion, which bring out the best in any video source."

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DustyBin:

so that could bring out the best in mythtv!

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mzb_d800:

heh ... big isn't it? :)

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DustyBin:

indeed, its like something from the early nineties

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mzb_d800:

*cough*

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DustyBin:

i think a couple of floot standers would make nice fronts :D

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DustyBin:

floor

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justinh:

<3 floor standers

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DustyBin:

http://www.richersounds.com/showbigproductpic . . . e=304200.jpg

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DustyBin:

and book shelf speakers for the 2 rears

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justinh:

bit tricky to put a centre speaker on top of a flat panel these days though :P

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DustyBin:

lol yes

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DustyBin:

i think 4x book shelf speakers, 1 centre and a sub is good enough

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DustyBin:

no way am i gonna get those ultra small surround sound setups, audio is audio, doesnt matter if its coming from your dvd or your ipod

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Kazan:

will mythfrontend --version tell me if ffmpeg pthreads are enabled?

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Kazan:

because i had --enable--ffmpeg-pthreads in my ./configure line

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Kazan:

but it won't let me put anything other than "1" into the max cpus line after i updated last night

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felix_da_catz:

So what window manager should I use? kde or gnome?

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kdub:

the one you like better

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felix_da_catz:

So kde it is then.

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felix_da_catz:

Thanks

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sphing:

that was easy

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sphing:

anyone using an apple tv as a frontend?

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javatexan:

anyone running mythbuntu?

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Gokee2_Laptop:

Hello all, I tried a test record of jake 2.0 last night and it recorded about 5 shows. I tried looking at one and it looked ok. Then I exited mythfrontend and did some other stuff for a while, now I just poped it up for a sec to see something (I forgot what now) and jake 2.0 was gone! It ahows in the recorded section but not in the library... Any idea where it went off to? thanks

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Anduin:

Gokee2_Laptop: probably filtered out (if I guessed you meaning right)

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Gokee2_Laptop:

I tried checking the box that has it ask me every time I go in what filters to use and I can`t see it in any of the filters

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seth4:

Hi all. Mythbox is down in a major way after an FC8 upgrade. I have a PVR-350 and am running kernel 2.6.23.14–155.fc8. I'm battling the "IVD error framebuffer number query failed" problem on trying to playback video.

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mikeones:

damm FC!

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Anduin:

Gokee2_Laptop: It is also possible it is expired, recorded doesn't mean it wasn't deleted.

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Gokee2_Laptop:

When do recordings expire?

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seth4:

ivtv and ivtvfb are loaded correctly, and not showing error output in dmesg. And I can send video from /dev/video0 to /dev/video16 without a problem. But MythTV is unable to initialize video on the PVR-350 TV out.

[04:05:39]

Anduin:

Gokee2_Laptop: When the disk gets full

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Anduin:

(roughly)

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Kazan:

why is it suddenly myth is stripping text between [ and ] out of my filenames in mythvideo?

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JohnMahowald:

seth4: You're behind on your updates :P

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Kazan:

am i going to have to beat someone senseless and change my file naming convention?

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Kazan:

:P

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Gokee2_Laptop:

So mythtv starts deleting stuff when the disk gets full? Can I stop it from "helping" me in this way?

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Kazan:

oh wait.. nevermind

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Kazan:

i know what did it

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** Kazan blames mythweb **

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JohnMahowald:

Gokee2_Laptop: See: auto expire

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Gokee2_Laptop:

I have two 1.1 gb mpgs in the dir I told myth to store stuff.... The only other thing I have done is watch live tv for a few min

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Gokee2_Laptop:

Is there a log of recording its expired somewhere?

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Anduin:

Kazan: it isn't suddenly

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seth4:

In googling, I'm only finding the problem in the context of 2.6.22.fc6 kernels, and I figure if it wasn't fixed then, everyone would be hosed by now. I have to be missing something.

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Kazan:

Anduin: yeah i just forgot mythweb busts file names with []'s

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Anduin:

Gokee2_Laptop: You can look at the expire settings, there are various reasons, mostly disk space, you can set the lower limit, you can also tag things to not expire.

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seth4:

JohnMaholwald, which updates?

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JohnMahowald:

seth4: Guess. You've only revealed one version number.

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Gokee2_Laptop:

I looked in system status and the expired things list and jake 2.0 is not there although some live tv is

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Gokee2_Laptop:

Anduin, Hmm ok

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seth4:

What kernel should I be on? I don't see ivtv or lirc kernel modules packaged for anything beyond the kernel I'm on.

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JohnMahowald:

ivtv's been in Linux since 2.6.22

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Anduin:

Gokee2_Laptop: The normal list in the system information is a list of things to be expired.

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JohnMahowald:

seth4: You don't need an ivtv kmod package for Fedora.

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seth44:

I know. I'm on 2.6.23.14–155.fc8. And do you not still have to install ivtvfb?

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mzb:

bugger ... FE on workstation now throwing audio errors (ie: no audio) and giving slow video playback

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JohnMahowald:

seth44: Not using that, just a PVR-150 in.

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mzb:

AudioOutput Error: Unable to get period size for playback: Invalid argument

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mzb:

AudioOutput Error: Unable to set ALSA parameters

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mzb:

any ideas?

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seth44:

Ah. This is the PVR-350 TV-out, which has always worked, but suddenly in FC8, MythTV tells me "IVD Error: framebuffer number query failed. Did you star the ivtv-fb module?" And yes, I did.

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Gokee2_Laptop:

Anduin, Ah I see I found it expired in my log file too

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Anduin:

Yeah, that would be proof. There is a setting to not default recordings to expire somewhere I think, then again losing Jake 2.0 first seems like a good default.

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Inssomniak:

hey all, will mythtv pick up on symlinks in /dev/dvb or must it be /dev/dvb/adapter{x} ?

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npurciful:

hey does anyone here know if a 1.2ghz cpu is enough power for 2 hdtv tuners (backend only system)

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mzb:

npurciful: not really a cpu-intensive task afaik ... more about being able to write 2x big streams to disk

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mzb:

(assuming by "tuner" that you mean decoding et al is being done by tuner card)

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Gumby:

hello all. I am using a theme called "Retro-OSD" and I have used this theme before but for some reason with a fresh minimal ubuntu install and a fresh mythtv compile I am getting no OSD fonts other than the Program Guide. Does anyone know why this might be?

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Gumby:

Its using Vera.ttf which I have already in the themes directory

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Gumby:

it seems that all other themes have no issues with displaying fonts

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davilla:

what's the proper why to specify a cpu during ./configure?

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Dibblah:

davilla: Let it autoconfigure.

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davilla:

does not recognize my cpu — pentium-m

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davilla:

picks the default pentumpro

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Dagmar:

It doesn't have to recognize your exact CPU.

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davilla:

pentumpro means cache size is wrong and no sse, at 1GHz I need all I can get.

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davilla:

it's an appletv

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Dagmar:

hahahah

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davilla:

watching smooth 1080i HD content while doing a nice'd recompile of myth as we speak

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Dagmar:

On a 1Ghz box? I doubt it.

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davilla:

sure, with xvmc, 60 percent cpu for 1080i

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Dagmar:

Must look like a cubist nightmare

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davilla:

and a pentium-m at 1 GHz is fast than one might think.

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davilla:

nah, no skips, no prebuffer waits.

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Dagmar:

You might want to share whatever magic this is with the rest of the internet then, because most people can't do it without much more CPU unless the thing has been downsampled to a more reasonable level of detail.

[08:10:34]

davilla:

http://wiki.awkwardtv.org/wiki/Linux_on_Apple_TV has the linux basics

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davilla:

I'm working on a new bootloader that can make the install easer

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Dagmar:

Big props to you for that one.

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davilla:

not done yet, this is a pure efi box. no bios so there's some fiddling at teh bootloader level

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Dagmar:

Yeah. That part is a bitch to deal with for people used to a BIOS.

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davilla:

the linux kernel is pretty clean once it gets runing, it's preventing some console framebuffer from stomping memory

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davilla:

it's late, I'm gone

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justinh:

where's the holy grail when you need it? i.e. h.264 acceleration in linux :)

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emory:

I'm getting crackly audio with AVI's and LiveTV I've played with the PCM settings and stuff... Is it possible I have the wrong Proprietary codecs installed?

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emory:

Is the channel dead? :(

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AcTiVaTe:

No, just your audio

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** emory cries **

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emory:

I just replaced the Mo-Bo in this and it was doing it before with my Audigy 2... Now the Audigy is gona and I'm using on-board sound still sounds the same.

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emory:

Leads me to believe its a software issue

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AcTiVaTe:

Hmz. can't imagine a SB card giving probs

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AcTiVaTe:

Well, if it was just LiveTV I'd blame lame

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AcTiVaTe:

But lame is not used when playing .avi files

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AcTiVaTe:

So no clue anymore ;)

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emory:

you sure? I thought lameMP3 was a popular audio codec?

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AcTiVaTe:

It is

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AcTiVaTe:

Just looking for a common denominator ;)

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emory:

kk

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emory:

well ... can we agree that its a software issue?

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AcTiVaTe:

I'd say so

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AcTiVaTe:

Perhaps Pulseaudio related

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AcTiVaTe:

God knows enough peeps have been battling with it lately

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emory:

mmmK well I'm not exactly an expert on media codecs/libraries in Linux. so if you want me to do/check anything ... :(

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AcTiVaTe:

Well, if you get crackly audio with AVI

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AcTiVaTe:

And mythtv uses mplayer for that

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AcTiVaTe:

that is, if you didn't change the settings ofc ;)

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emory:

I think the only thing I changed was the -xv option

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AcTiVaTe:

And vlc also has crackly audio?

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AcTiVaTe:

With the same AVI?

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emory:

I could check real quick... hold on a sec

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emory:

what would you recommend as the VLC launch command? I can never figure it out...

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emory:

I just used vlc -f %s and its still crackly

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AcTiVaTe:

And the options?

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AcTiVaTe:

Preferences?

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AcTiVaTe:

What audio output is used?

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emory:

How do you want me to check that?

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AcTiVaTe:

In VLC

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AcTiVaTe:

The Preferences screen for example

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AcTiVaTe:

Or just check ~/.vlc/vlcrc

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AcTiVaTe:

Just like you also have an ~/.mplayer/config

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emory:

well in preferences I have Audio output module is set to Default and OSS is set to /dev/dsp and ALSA is set to Default

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emory:

sorry if I'm being difficult... what should I search for in vlcrc?

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AcTiVaTe:

The used output for audio

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emory:

just about everything in this file is commented out. I'm not seeing anything that looks like audio-out methods or anything

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DGnome:

justinh: did you say you'd never take anything seriously from someone whose nick starts with a d?

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justinh:

can't remember. I'm so full of shit :)

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DGnome:

:D

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justinh:

I make no secret of my disdain for any nick containing matrix character names though

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DGnome:

well, someone just commited something that will allow yej user to to toggle on and off the h.264 deblocking loopfilter

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directhex|bsp:

DGnome, fantastic!

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justinh:

arghh this is no fun. testing new GUI code over vnc over vnc

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DGnome:

this means, an e4300 can decode BBC-HD

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DGnome:

and the population rejoyced

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justinh:

damn. you know that means I have to go & get a dish now. and risk falling off a ladder

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justinh:

;)

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directhex|bsp:

and you can enjoy high quality BBC-HD on... your old crt \o/

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justinh:

if only to enjoy less ugly mpeg2 artifacts

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directhex|bsp:

mpeg4 artefacts are "prettier"?

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justinh:

tried out a few HD clips on my SDTV. they look better than SDTV recordings so I'd say it's worth it regardless

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justinh:

I'd be an utter fool to claim it'd be close enough to the 'real thing' but it's an improvement for sure

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opentrinity:

hi...i don't understand something all works but when i login in a shell i have Schedule conflicts Unable to access Mythv Perl API ....where is the problem?

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nexact:

hey all, I own a Hauppauge 401 WinTV-DBX 125 Digital, which is not listed on hardware pages, does it means it's not supported or I should take a chance and test it ? http://picture.edbindex.dk/ProductPictures/15499.jpg

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opentrinity:

whit verbose option i don't have any suggestions

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opentrinity:

with*

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anykey_:

nexact: you should always give it a try ;)

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directhex|bsp:

nexact, linuxtv wiki. if it's not there, don't get your hopes up

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doc__:

hi there

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DGnome:

directhex|bsp: downscaled hdtv makes for "perfect" sdtv :)

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directhex|bsp:

DGnome, sounds like a lot of mhz for super fuzzy blur-o-vision

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** directhex|bsp wonders how his pentium-d will cope with bbchd, with loop filter skipping enabled **

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zagibu:

is it possible to enlarge the cache the internal dvd player is using? I still get some stutters now and then...

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kuil:

hi all

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kuil:

I am having trouble importing channels from channels.conf .. mythtv-setup segfaults during scan

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kuil:

anybody else seens this problem?

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directhex|bsp:

hm, the house we're buying apparently has no mux C

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afm:

got the nightly commercial flagging jobs working. now to user job script the removal and transcode down

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afm:

woot

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DGnome:

directhex|bsp: depends on how you see it

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directhex|bsp:

DGnome, hardly at all! crts make my brain hurt!

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DGnome:

directhex|bsp: the 8x8 pixel areas that may get blurred get scaled to about 2x2

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DGnome:

directhex|bsp: then ther's that brain rotting effect also

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Kazan:

wtf?

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Kazan:

i'm seeing PID 0x901 status: Encrypted

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Kazan:

(for 0x900, 0x901, 0x902)

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Kazan:

and then backend died

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directhex|bsp:

Kazan, encrypted channels?

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Kazan:

yeah.. but i shouldn't have any encrypted channels

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Kazan:

all the channels in my channel map should all be unencrypted

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Kazan:

as they're all repeats of OTA channels, except for one – and that is CSPAN HD (yeah... stupid channel, but they didn't encrypt it) which i dunno if i even kept in my channel listing since i don't watch it

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Kazan:

i did have a recording fail on an HD channel without any failure message what so ever

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Kazan:

the last episode of Terminator: the Sarah Conner Chronicles completely failed to record

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Kazan:

i see in the backend logs that backend thought it started recording.. but no failure message what so ever

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pembo13:

i just booted up my computer, and for some reason, mythtv feels that i have "no valid capture cards are defined in the database"

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pembo13:

i stopped mythbackend and took a look at mythtvsetup, and my cards are configured like they normally are

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pembo13:

as far as i can see in the logs it connects to the database just fine

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pembo13:

i haven't done any updates recently or anything

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pembo13:

any idea what the problem may be?

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pembo13:

i've had mythtv up for months , haven't made any changes... it just suddnely stops working

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iamlindoro:

remove your cards and re-add them, then see where you're at.

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Dagmar:

Could be lots of things, most notably, a full partition somewhere

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directhex|bsp:

check your mysql for broken tables

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pembo13:

directhex|bsp: mythfilldatabase just worked fine... so i'm guesing the db is ok

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iamlindoro:

pembo13, that's not a good guess at all

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iamlindoro:

that just means that *maybe* the listings table is ok

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directhex|bsp:

pembo13, reckon filling the database uses the capture card tables?

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pembo13:

Dagmar: my recording partion has 45GB left

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Dagmar:

That's the ONLY partition you have?

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pembo13:

iamlindoro, what's the best way to check that the tables are ok?

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pembo13:

Dagmar: for recording... yes

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iamlindoro:

mysqlcheck -r -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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directhex|bsp:

pembo13, so you're certain you haven't filled, say, /var?

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Dagmar:

Did I *SAY* anything about just the recording tables?

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pembo13:

directhex|bsp: i have 52GB left on the partion with /var

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iamlindoro:

pembo13, rather than making dagmar tpye over and over, why don't you tell us if *any* partition is ovar, let's say, 90% full

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iamlindoro:

er over

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pembo13:

iamlindoro, i have lots of GBs left all around

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iamlindoro:

pembo13, surely you can appreciate the frustration in asking one question and receiving that answer to another, slightly different question, right?

[16:03:16]

pembo13:

iamlindoro, none of my partions are even approaching 90% full

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iamlindoro:

anyway, this is quickly becoming an exercise in frustration, so check your database, and failing that, remove the capture cards from mythtv-setup and re-add them.

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pembo13:

mysqlcheck gives all OKs

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pembo13:

iamlindoro, fustration? have i not answered everythinh asked?

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iamlindoro:

then I guess you know what to do next

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pembo13:

yes

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iamlindoro:

Sheesh, even when I'm *nice* they think I'm being mean.

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directhex|bsp:

you're remarkably nice to people for someone who actually knows their shit

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iamlindoro:

directhex|bsp, Well, admittedly, sometimes I can be awfully sarcastic... and I won't even say that does them any good... but it makes me *feel* better ;)

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, i'm british. sarcastic is my baseline state of being

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Dagmar:

So _that's_ why I seem so out of place here.

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Dagmar:

I must have been born Brittanian.

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, this is actually sort of interesting (although getting the recordings into myth would be a bit of a pain)... http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=4306

[16:14:59]

iamlindoro:

It's sort of analogous to the hauppauge HD PVR, but also includes HDCP-compliant HDMI in, too, also with MP4 compression on the fly.

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iamlindoro:

Shame to get the recordings you still have to plug in a USB drive and copy them off. would an ethernet port have *killed* them?

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directhex|bsp:

hdmi in? who approved THAT?

[16:16:16]

directhex|bsp:

ohhhh fuck, $1k

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iamlindoro:

No idea, bit kinda neat (from an objective, non myth point of view)

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iamlindoro:

It'd *almost* be worth the cost if it was just a bit more simple to get the recordings out (seriously, ehternet, guys)

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iamlindoro:

er ethernet

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iamlindoro:

and that point it'd be sorta like a HDHomeRun on steroids

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iamlindoro:

Heh, it even has *two* HDMI ins

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iamlindoro:

Gah, so torn on Lost Odyssey

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, did you like blue dragon?

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iamlindoro:

not really, TBH

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iamlindoro:

I do love Final Fantasy, but BD was a letdown

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directhex|bsp:

IWW?

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iamlindoro:

I dunno that acronym :)

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directhex|bsp:

in what way

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iamlindoro:

ah, hmm, just didn't connect with the characters, and it probably didn't help that I'm no fan of anime/Dragonball Z type stuff

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directhex|bsp:

what's your favourite 16-bit jrpg?

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iamlindoro:

I mean, I can live with a certain amount of archetypal casting-call characters, but enough is enough

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iamlindoro:

hmm... Chrono Trigger, I guess

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directhex|bsp:

LO is probably worth trying then

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iamlindoro:

It *does* appear to be much more up my alley than Blue Dragon

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directhex|bsp:

much as BD was a bit of a let-down, i think i trust mistwalker to get the CT formula right again much more than swuare

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iamlindoro:

Well I should hope so, they bought off all the good Squeeenix developers/directors/composers :)

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opentrinity:

hai iamlindoro, i have a little problem all works but when i log i have msg Schedule conflict Unable to connetc MythTv Perl API....where is the problem (with verbose option i see nothin)

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directhex|bsp:

i suppose i just never understood the fandom around FF7

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iamlindoro:

directhex|bsp, I liked 8 much more, personally... I even really liked 9

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iamlindoro:

opentrinity, I've never seen that one before, I don't really know :(

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, i just don't like FF

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, the first one i really played was 6, and that had such horribly broken mechanics. 7 i didn't feel was much better

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opentrinity:

:-/

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directhex|bsp:

6's suck, with fmv

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iamlindoro:

directhex|bsp, I've always played them and enjoyed them, but only a few have I really loved. I really loved the end of 8 (and the whole romance thing, which broke out of the usual Square 2-Dimensional cahracter mold)

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iamlindoro:

er character

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iamlindoro:

unlike 7's Cloud... "I'm sad and don't talk much because.... I'm sad and don't talk much."

[16:36:43]

iamlindoro:

I mean seriously, what's Cloud's *#1* quote from that game?

[16:36:46]

iamlindoro:

"..."

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, hey, it works for Link!

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iamlindoro:

hehe, I think there's a different theory behind that one

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, anyway, i think CT is the only jrpg i've ever truly loved, BG2 for western rpg. zelda 3 for action rpg

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iamlindoro:

Of late I really *really* like more of the bioware stuff

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iamlindoro:

er msot

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iamlindoro:

er most

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directhex|bsp:

http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/g . . . e/zelda3.jpg :)

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iamlindoro:

Loved Mass Effect, the Kotors, even Jade Empire.

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iamlindoro:

Hehe, nice

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iamlindoro:

you *do* love your Zelda

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, i think it's largely the music. same for CT, i think

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, the 600AD overworld theme in CT is a classic

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iamlindoro:

directhex, Have you seen that long list of JRPG cliches? I'm sure it has a more clever name or is a drinking game or something, but it's *hilarious*

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iamlindoro:

http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html

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Dagmar:

"Garrett's Principle" <-- my #1 gripe with all the FF games

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iamlindoro:

Quest For Glory did that one right... I did love my Sierra games before they were evil Vivendi

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jams:

iamlindoro- same here

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jams:

i have a nice collection of there game boxes on display

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jams:

their

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iamlindoro:

I think I've got them all boxed up in my folk's shed... back to my original Space Quest I (CGA, baby!) box... both my first personally owned game and my first adventure game.

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iamlindoro:

Please insert disk 257 of 4,562.

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jams:

doubt the 5 1/4 disks still work, but there are in the box!

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iamlindoro:

I hate to say it, but it appears the adventure genre is well and truly dead

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iamlindoro:

The best I can hope for is a decent adventure RPG like Mass Effect

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iamlindoro:

The last great adventure game (for me anyway) was Grim Fandango

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, http://telltalegames.com/samandmax

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iamlindoro:

Have played them (well, the first three or so) and they're not bad... but just don't *feel* the same

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iamlindoro:

I have some hope for A Vampire Story

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iamlindoro:

since it's all ex-LucasArtys

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iamlindoro:

http://www.vampyrestory-game.com/

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directhex|bsp:

play episode 4 of sam & max

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directhex|bsp:

for one thing, it's freeware

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directhex|bsp:

for another, it's the best in the series

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Dagmar:

Everyone wants you to be a goody-two-shoes, and yet the only way to possibly afford to do anything, is to systematically take everything not nailed down from everywhere you go

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iamlindoro:

I'l admit that when it comes to particularly grind-y JPRGS, I'd cheat in a heartbeat given an option. I mean, not that I don't enjoy challenging battle, collecting items, etc., but after a certain point, I just want to see the purty pitchers and find out WTF happens

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nexact-:

it's possible to use mythtv with keyboard and not with remote controller ?

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iamlindoro:

sure

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jams:

some would say using a keyboard will make your setup much easier.

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nexact-:

okay, thanks.

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Beirdo:

if anyone here works for ESPN, come here, I wanna beat you senseless with this trout

[17:45:27]

Beirdo:

they are royally messing up the beginning of the Fantasy Baseball season... again

[17:45:30]

iamlindoro:

What, you don't like the World's Hairiest Lumberjack Competition 26 hours a day?

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Beirdo:

it was supposed to be running on the 11th

[17:46:15]

Beirdo:

they barely got it going last night, didn't leave any messages saying that it was no longer in service

[17:46:24]

Beirdo:

so I setup the new season for our league

[17:46:46]

Beirdo:

this morning, I went to tweak a bit, and WHILE I was doing it, they took down the backend servers again

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Beirdo:

back to "please wait while we figure out how to do this" page served by IIS/5.0

[17:47:11]

Beirdo:

grrr!

[17:48:20]

Beirdo:

you know, it would be a lot better if they'd say "this will be running at x time on y day"

[17:48:23]

Beirdo:

then deliver

[17:48:34]

mchou:

Beirdo: maybe they are running on Blackberry equipment :)

[17:48:36]

Beirdo:

rather than just making it look busted-ass all the time

[17:49:17]

mchou:

sw updates crapped on our service

[17:49:25]

Beirdo:

heh, wonderful

[17:49:52]

Beirdo:

I told them WAY back when I worked at RIM... don't use Windows as your backend

[17:49:57]

mchou:

lol

[17:50:03]

Beirdo:

the manager laughed at me... I have the last laugh

[17:50:17]

mchou:

maybe he lost his job

[17:50:37]

Beirdo:

nah, he likely cashed in on the IPO and is sitting on his ass at home

[17:50:52]

mchou:

bah, too bad

[17:51:26]

mchou:

Beirdo, need your advice regarding voip.....

[17:51:43]

mchou:

like who is a decent voip provider in US

[17:51:52]

Beirdo:

no clue at this point in time

[17:52:01]

Beirdo:

I haven't used it in almost 2 years

[17:52:06]

mchou:

really?

[17:52:10]

Beirdo:

since I moved to PR

[17:52:18]

mchou:

you dont run asterisk any more?

[17:52:21]

Beirdo:

yeah, our internet service is just too shitty to use it

[17:52:32]

mchou:

wow, that's too bad

[17:52:43]

Beirdo:

I think it's still running in the domU I run it in

[17:52:48]

Beirdo:

but it's not being used at all

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mchou:

sigh....

[17:53:02]

Beirdo:

besides, most of my use (thousands of hours) were to here anyways

[17:53:14]

Beirdo:

don't need that now, she's my wife now, I see her every day :)

[17:53:21]

mchou:

which VSP did you use back in the day?

[17:53:29]

Beirdo:

nufone primarily

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Beirdo:

and then I put an IAXy box down here at her house, and we had totally free calls :)

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mchou:

but I thought you said inet connection in PR was bad

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Beirdo:

no.. OURS

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Beirdo:

to our house

[17:54:55]

Beirdo:

heh. The cable company is a bunch of assmasters on a good day

[17:54:59]

mchou:

she had a different inet provider?

[17:55:16]

Beirdo:

we are paying for 512/256, and it's usually more like 384/128

[17:55:30]

Beirdo:

no, they had better cable plant at her parents' house

[17:55:41]

Beirdo:

and they were paying for 3M/1M or something

[17:55:41]

mchou:

same cableco though?

[17:55:51]

Beirdo:

which works great with VOIP when the routers work

[17:55:53]

Beirdo:

yup

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mchou:

hmmm

[17:56:00]

Beirdo:

same town, opposite ends of town

[17:56:23]

Beirdo:

our cable connection (TV and internet) drops out at random times... they have bad cabling and are too stupid to fix it

[17:56:37]

mchou:

heh, cable rot

[17:56:41]

justinh:

my broadband is nice when the asshats at Shaw Cable's botnet aren't hammerring my router :-\

[17:56:49]

Beirdo:

I'd expect so, yes

[17:57:09]

Beirdo:

and we can't get DSL, we are liek 22kft from the CO

[17:57:14]

Beirdo:

18kft being the limit

[17:57:42]

Beirdo:

fine neighborhood we picked

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mchou:

lol

[17:58:01]

Beirdo:

and we are JUST too far from San Juan to use the RF over the air providers

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justinh:

ask them to tape a bit of fibre to the end of the cable & start pulling :P

[17:58:12]

mchou:

ya should checked out the connectivity issues b4 you bought :)

[17:58:29]

Beirdo:

so we are stuck with... shitty dialup... shitty cable modem.... or using Sprint Wireless

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Beirdo:

if that last one was affordable, I'd be all over it

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[17:59:29]

Beirdo:

the same cableco has told us for a year now that they have no spare cable boxes, so we can't get a second drop

[17:59:33]

Beirdo:

tards

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mchou:

what???

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mchou:

STB rationing?

[18:00:44]

Beirdo:

that was my response too

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mchou:

what kind of banana republic you living on?

[18:01:10]

Beirdo:

oh I see, so you can give one to assmunch over there who is getting new service, but not to a "loyal" customer for a second drop?

[18:01:17]

Beirdo:

who is going to pay MORE for it

[18:01:19]

Beirdo:

jeez

[18:01:34]

Beirdo:

not like comcast is all that much better from what I've heard

[18:01:48]

mchou:

comcast is great where I live

[18:01:55]

Beirdo:

lucky you

[18:01:59]

mchou:

no issues and most competitive

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Beirdo:

heh

[18:02:30]

mchou:

competitive enough that I'm considering ditching the land line

[18:02:39]

Beirdo:

well, if we could get alternative broadband, Liberty Cablevision can kiss my ass.

[18:02:57]

Beirdo:

go with Dish + DSL in a minute if we could get DSL

[18:02:58]

directhex:

did Beirdo hit paste by accident, or is he seting lines terminated at 80 columns intentionally?

[18:03:18]

Beirdo:

heh, no, I've been typing, in xchat

[18:03:25]

Beirdo:

purely coincidental :)

[18:04:04]

** directhex has never seen kft used as a measure of distance **

[18:04:19]

Beirdo:

me neither until I worked on a DSLAM product

[18:04:32]

Beirdo:

DSL uses kilofeet, it just strikes me as fubar.

[18:05:17]

Beirdo:

made it fun to simulate a full line length though... called up the wiring place, asked for 18 boxes of 1000ft cat3

[18:05:35]

mchou:

lol

[18:05:42]

Beirdo:

had those boxes under the lab bench for quite some time

[18:05:44]

directhex:

could be worse

[18:06:05]

Beirdo:

yank the ends out, splice together, voila

[18:06:49]

mchou:

sigh, nufone is no longer competitive

[18:06:56]

Beirdo:

the boss was just too cheap to buy proper line simulators

[18:06:58]

mchou:

crazy rates

[18:07:09]

directhex:

ever heard of milton keynes?

[18:07:19]

mchou:

so he went out and bought copper instead??

[18:07:35]

Beirdo:

heard the name, directhex. can't currently place it

[18:07:45]

mchou:

Beirdo: lol

[18:07:47]

Beirdo:

mchou, precisely. WAY cheaper :)

[18:08:25]

mchou:

spooled cable aint exactly real life

[18:08:44]

mchou:

think of all the emf

[18:08:46]

Beirdo:

it's a hell of a lot closer than you'd think

[18:08:46]

directhex:

Beirdo, it's a manufactured town in the UK. it was designed to be large and modern. one of the "modern" design decisions was aluminium phone lines. but it gets better, it's aluminium phone lines placed in a spiral from the exchange. you can be far enough from the exchange to throw things at it, but still have several miles of noisy line between you and it

[18:09:03]

Beirdo:

oh beautiful

[18:09:25]

Beirdo:

DSL doesn't throw off as much EMF as T1, etc though, so that was minimized somewhat

[18:09:43]

Beirdo:

and we did run them with opposite windings alternating

[18:10:04]

Beirdo:

so theoretically, that should have used interference to destroy the worst parts

[18:10:16]

directhex:

doesn't look like i can get adsl2 in the town we're moving to :/

[18:10:25]

directhex:

well, maybe moving to, if it doesn't fall through

[18:10:26]

Beirdo:

but yeah, hardly the same as the same distance of cable in a straight line

[18:11:15]

Beirdo:

but cost us like $900 instead of $10k

[18:11:18]

Beirdo:

so... hehe

[18:12:31]

Beirdo:

now where do I recognize Milton Keynes from....

[18:12:48]

mchou:

screwed it, I'm gonna give diamondcard.us a shot

[18:12:55]

Beirdo:

did CS Lewis use that as the location in the space trilogy?

[18:13:02]

iamlindoro:

Dune

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mchou:

VSP selection has my shorts in a bunch

[18:13:11]

iamlindoro:

Frank Herbert

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iamlindoro:

not the location, of course, but may be where you recall neynes from

[18:13:29]

iamlindoro:

er Keynes

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Beirdo:

no, don't think so.

[18:13:50]

Beirdo:

be a good guess, but I don't think so

[18:15:32]

Beirdo:

might have been from books on code breaking WWII era

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Beirdo:

as Bletchley Park is now part of it

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justinh:

wonder how true the rumour was about the UK govt kyboshing the GPO's plan to put fibre in every street was. allegedly the govt decided to use the cash for other things before they sold it off & it became BT

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Beirdo:

that would sound reasonable

[18:21:11]

Beirdo:

stupid, but reasonable for a government :)

[18:21:45]

justinh:

so it was the 1980s & everything would've been slow by today's fibre standards but hey – it's fibre ;)

[18:22:20]

Beirdo:

yeah, loads better than copper (or aluminum) wiring

[18:22:36]

justinh:

only now are people starting to look at getting around antiquated regulations against putting comms in sewer pipes

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Beirdo:

or even aluminium for you Brits ;)

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justinh:

apparently I'll be getting a speed boost to 10mbit before summer, at no extra cost. means I need to get a real cable modem since the DOCSIS effort in the STB can't cope

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

512mkbit upload pipe yay!

[18:26:23]

justinh:

milli k bit.. that's not right :)

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justinh:

512kbit

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Beirdo:

milli-kilo bit.. would be.. bit? oooh 512bit/s

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

nice. 10M/512k?

[18:27:07]

Beirdo:

that would do nicely

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justinh:

512bit/sec is about what I get when shaw cable attacks my router

[18:27:29]

justinh:

a fair chunk of their whole subnet by the look of my logs

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Beirdo:

shaw? Isn't that a Canadian cable provider?

[18:27:58]

Beirdo:

you are getting hosed across the Atlantic?

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Beirdo:

wow

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justinh:

fairly well hammerred, I'd say

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Beirdo:

jeez

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Beirdo:

I wish I owned the transatlantic fibers

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Beirdo:

that's good for their revenues

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justinh:

24.64.x.x

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justinh:

weird ports though, not yer run of the mill

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whodat:

ordered another hdd... how do i get mythtv to use a path off the new hard drive as well as my old /myth/tv path

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whodat:

for recording shows

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iamlindoro:

By running SVN or the forthcoming .21 and adding the drive to the recording group

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whodat:

ahh.. so cant do it with current stable release?

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iamlindoro:

Not currently. .21 will be out extremely soon, though.

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Cyberai:

well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I checked my system last night with content from Apple's HD media site to make sure I can play H.264 files wihtout problems. I'll be first in line for that Hauppage Analog HD PVR USB device. Hope MythTV integration is rapido!

[19:26:58]

iamlindoro:

Well, not from *within* myth

[19:27:21]

iamlindoro:

you could built a RAID or LVM array, though, but that's outside the purview of myth

[19:27:43]

whodat:

yeah i was just going to mention raid, but dont really wanna go there.

[19:28:28]

iamlindoro:

Cyberai, those are all fairly low bitrate, if you want a better test, then try some of the 1080p samples from here: http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/

[19:28:43]

whodat:

iam: i use knoppmyth.. so .. it will prolly be a longer wait for me

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iamlindoro:

whodat, Most of the Myth Distro providers have stable releases out within days of their release

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Cyberai:

kewlies

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Cyberai:

I'm on an AMD FX60 dual core. Shoudl be OK

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whodat:

ahh, well thats cool =)

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iamlindoro:

Cyberai, Yup, should be adequate

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Cyberai:

thought so

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directhex:

chances are you still need loopfilter skipping, even on a cpu of that magnitude

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justinh:

Cyberai: my c2d frontend copes with just about all the apple HD samples just fine. real broadcast HD h.264 clips on the other hand..

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justinh:

needs an extra core fer sure

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clever[rev]:

iamlindoro: that link isnt loading...

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Cyberai:

c2d?

[19:32:41]

clever[rev]:

core2duo

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justinh:

Cyberai: core2 duo

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iamlindoro:

clever[rev], it's loading fine here

[19:32:54]

clever[rev]:

dns is timing out

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iamlindoro:

that's you, not the site...

[19:33:11]

clever[rev]:

or the dns server

[19:33:28]

iamlindoro:

yup, but still not the site or the links fault :)

[19:33:33]

clever[rev]:

my house is able to dig the dns

[19:33:57]

clever[rev]:

stufing the ip in breaks it

[19:33:57]

clever[rev]:

404

[19:34:03]

clever[rev]:

must be a virtual host

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iamlindoro:

What's your point, clever[rev]? The site is still up and working fine from here.

[19:34:14]

Cyberai:

justinh, are the samples iamlindoro pointed out equivilent to the broadcast h.264?

[19:34:16]

directhex:

justinh, try with svn mplayer, and add "-lavdopts skiploopfilter=all"

[19:34:21]

directhex:

Cyberai, yes

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directhex:

Cyberai, they ARE broadcast h264

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Cyberai:

sweet

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clever[rev]:

iamlindoro: yeah but i just cant load it from here:S

[19:34:49]

clever[rev]:

dns in the hotel must be broken

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justinh:

directhex: plan to when I stop piddling around with mythtv source code

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iamlindoro:

Hehe, here's a guy on the users list with a Core 3 Duo processor. Lucky Dog!

[19:36:20]

clever[rev]:

lol

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** Cyberai putty's to his mythbox and fires up wget **

[19:36:37]

justinh:

Cyberai: yeah they're actual broadcast clips where stated

[19:36:47]

sslashes:

can mythtv use a mixer control besides "Master" and "PCM"?

[19:36:51]

iamlindoro:

Who is, no joke "doing firewire capture from his DCT-6200 via S-video"

[19:37:03]

directhex:

the internet is srs bsns!

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justinh:

iamlindoro: he's cleverer than us then! :D

[19:37:45]

justinh:

or is that 'more cleverer'? never quite sure

[19:38:01]

iamlindoro:

yeah, 'cause he's apparently stealing Intel prototype chips from the fyutuur

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Cyberai:

god my WAP is a POS

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justinh:

WAP is a POS. newsflash

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justinh:

the 1970s called. they want their screen resolutions back

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iamlindoro:

Erm, and he's apparently maxing his CPU doing s-Video SD Capture on this Core 3 Duo... sounds like a step back to me

[19:39:25]

Dibblah:

BTW, current trunk now has a twiddlable (with a patch) for skiploopfilter.

[19:39:37]

Cyberai:

that tears it, I'm buying some flat cat5 and just going under the freaking carpet. This isn't worth the hassle anymore.

[19:39:46]

Cyberai:

grrr

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Dibblah:

Cyberai: I wouldn't recommend that.

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Dibblah:

(Cables _really_ don't like being walked on)

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Dibblah:

And flat cat5 is unlikely to be 'nice' for signal loss.

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Cyberai:

eh, it only has to cross a 3 foot section where it might get stepped on once or twince a month

[19:40:47]

Dibblah:

Unless it's really expensive.

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Cyberai:

well, anything beats a WAP at 54g that cuts out whenever you try to maove anything bigger than 5mb over it

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iamlindoro:

or turn on the microwave

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iamlindoro:

or answer the phone

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Cyberai:

yeah, exactly

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iamlindoro:

or turn on a rotary fan

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iamlindoro:

;)

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Cyberai:

or my neighbor farts

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Cyberai:

or a plane goes over

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Cyberai:

or saturn aligns with mercury

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Cyberai:

ugh

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Cyberai:

has anyone tried that new "ethernet over you house electrtical system" thing?

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iamlindoro:

It's a hell of an idea if you want to take that 54 Mbit and slice it in half ;)

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justinh:

Cyberai: I bought one for work. it was better than wireless at the time

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Cyberai:

website says it gets 85mbit, think its just hype?

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iamlindoro:

Well, I'll defer to justinh who has apparently actually, technically *used* said device, but I'm certain whatever they quote is best-case

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iamlindoro:

but really, the pain of running Cat 5 or 6 is *always* well worth it in the end

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Cyberai:

yeha, I'm of the same opinion

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Cyberai:

being able to move media files on gigabit would sure be nice

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justinh:

gigabit would be nice full stop. one day eventually

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justinh:

thinking about getting a weatherproof rj45 socket for the garden :P

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justinh:

damn shaw cable again? do they never ****ing read their abuse reports?

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iamlindoro:

abuse@shaw.ca > /dev/null

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Cyberai:

does Bill Gates tune in for Linus' conference calls?

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Cyberai:

cat abuse.report |sed 's/hate/love/g' > inbox

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justinh:

wtf is on port 1026 anyway?

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justinh:

this has gone beyond annoying now. I want _action_

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directhex:

apparently network-over-mains works really well for some people

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, did you UK folks get *two* episodes of Torchwood tonight?

[20:01:12]

iamlindoro:

Stupid BBC America...

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iamlindoro:

runnin' things all delayed and not in HD...

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** justinh sends another email to shaw cable **

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justinh:

bit off topic but how good are software router/firewall solutions at coping with crap like this compared to hardware routers?

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justinh:

I know, after all I've said against using old hardware – but I have 2 s100 boxes doing nowt – and that ole epia shitebox

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justinh:

not very power thirsty compared to most other old machines

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directhex:

they're the same thing. most "hardware routers" are 150mhz arms running vxworks

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justinh:

so if my connection gets clogged it gets clogged whatever. bah

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heanol:

what's the easiest way to convert a recording to divx?

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heanol:

and fastest

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justinh:

I use a user job I've already set up to do the job :P

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iamlindoro:

depends on your idea of easy. For some it's a quick ffmpeg line, for others it might be a user job

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heanol:

well, i'm thinking more like an ffmpeg line

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heanol:

if someone has one

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** justinh looks in the wiki. yeah there's an xvid export example there somewhere **

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iamlindoro:

ffmpeg -i infile.whatever -acodec libmp3lame -ab 128000 -ac 2 -vcodec libxvid -b 2M -s 720x576 outfile.avi

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iamlindoro:

ish

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iamlindoro:

'course, that's my random PAL resolution and 2 Mbit bitrate random example

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iamlindoro:

720x480 for NTSC, 4M for 4 Megabit, etc., etc.

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justinh:

if you run ubuntu, better build ffmpeg from source if you want mp3 audio output :P

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iamlindoro:

true true

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heanol:

urgh

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justinh:

and divx

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justinh:

and mpeg

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justinh:

and flash

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heanol:

i guess there's nothing as simple as a one-liner then in ubuntu

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heanol:

;)

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iamlindoro:

ubuntu is the fuzzy-wuzzy HOME or one-liners, and users to whom anything more an a one-liner is an aneurysm waiting to happen

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iamlindoro:

er home of

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** justinh wonders if there's ever gonna be a distro that showz n0 ph3ar to the mp3 patent holders **

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iamlindoro:

If you're running 64 bit Ubuntu I will grudgingly suggest that you can download my .debs which have all above crap compiled in

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justinh:

heanol: it's not hard to remove the package & build your own. plenty howtos

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justinh:

and now I need my function to take a parameter. joy. something new

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Dorward:

iamlindoro: Looks like Torchwood 2x05 starts in 35 minutes on BBC2 and Torchwood 2x06 starts 50 minutes later on BBC3 here in the UK. Looks like DBV viewers gets to see new weeks show a week before analog only.

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justinh:

don't watch the pre 9pm one!

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justinh:

sanitised, so it is

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iamlindoro:

Dorward, *sigh*.... well, at least us getting it within a week is a step up

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justinh:

you ain't missing all that much, rahhly

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Dorward:

justinh: 35 minutes time is the 9pm one, not the pre-9pm one :)

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iamlindoro:

I've got to have something to get me through the rough patches without any decent domestic TV and no Dr. Who.

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iamlindoro:

and if that means watching British dudes with American accents making out with American dudes with British accents, then that's what I'm reduced to, "innit?" ;)

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Dorward:

iamlindoro: heh

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Dorward:

iamlindoro: So, you have debs which do xvid export on 64-bit ubuntu? I'm running mythbuntu, so I guess they might be handy for me. Can you point me towards them please?

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iamlindoro:

http://idisk.mac.com/r.mcnamara-Public?view=web

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iamlindoro:

Those are my debs for mplayer and ffmpeg, patched for Hd-DVD and blu-ray audio formats, as well as all the crap Ubuntu disables

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Dorward:

iamlindoro: Thanks

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iamlindoro:

no problem

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mchou:

crap, I might actually have to go get a squid

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mchou:

wall wart infestation

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mchou:

just wish someone would make a floating PSU to replace all wall warts (for less than $50)

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mchou:

definitely be more power efficient

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IceWewe:

does anyone here know why mythtv fails the svn checkout on Gentoo?

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iamlindoro:

nope, but the svn server is working ok, just checked

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psymin:

I believe he is using the ebuild for media-tv/mythtv-0.20.2_p14972

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IceWewe:

iamlindoro: yes, I've established that the svn server is working by following the URL mentioned by emerge...

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iamlindoro:

that said, a channel for your distro may be more effective in troubleshooting this quickly

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IceWewe:

iamlindoro: already been to #gentoo, redirected to here from there...

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iamlindoro:

well, it's not a myth issue, sooooooo

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iamlindoro:

dunno what to tell you.

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psymin:

Sorry, that was my doing. :)

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iamlindoro:

Think you'd best go back to #gentoo... if nobody is speaking up here, and myth's SVN server is up, and be process of elimination the issue is with emerge... what can we do? It's best handled by Gentoo people since the issue has zero to do with myth.

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iamlindoro:

Not trying to be rude, just trying to suggest the best course to an answer

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psymin:

its looking more like an svn issue (not server related)

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psymin:

iamlindoro: thanks for the input :)

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iamlindoro:

believe me, if I had a workable suggestion I'd gladly give it

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psymin:

Is there a mirror of the mythtv svn server somewhere?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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mchou:

that's just plain weird

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Woosta:

I'm following the instructions for installing on Debian from here: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html

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Woosta:

But I'm getting an error: E: Unable to find a source package for mythtv

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Woosta:

(after running # apt-get build-dep mythtv)

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iamlindoro:

I think for regular debian you need a) to have the debian-multimedia repositories enabled and b) they may break it out into mythtv-frontend and mythtv-backend

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Woosta:

I have (a) .. and I'll look for (b) .. if so, the instructions need updating :-D

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Woosta:

Ahh .. looks like you're right

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Woosta:

Hmm .. actually .. there's a mythtv package there as well

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Woosta:

ahh .. build-dep makes it look for a source package and install from source .. interesting

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iamlindoro:

well... not exactly. build-dep looks at a package and installs any dependencies necessary to build said package, there's no installing of anything from source as a part of build-dep

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Woosta:

So how is that going to work over just apt-get install mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

presumably your build-dep'ing because you intend to compile mythtv from source.

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Woosta:

nah, coz I'm following the install instructions :-d

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Woosta:

I'm just using install now .. and it seems to be working so far

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iamlindoro:

"Running apt-get update and then executing apt-get build-dep mythtv should install all the pre-requisites required to compile MythTV."

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iamlindoro:

that's the page you're following-- it says that it installs dependencies necessary to *compile* mythtv

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Woosta:

Doh!

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Woosta:

I can't read

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Woosta:

strange .. they then repeat build-dependencies for debian at the bottom of the page

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iamlindoro:

under heading "Manual installation..." as in, to build it yourself. :)

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iamlindoro:

because the next line is apt-get source mythtv --compile

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Woosta:

Ahhh .. I read "Manual Installation" as "Not hitting the shiny button"

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iamlindoro:

ie, "get the mythtv source and compile it"

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Woosta:

Ergh .. yeah

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Woosta:

I was looking for instructions on how to install it .. and that's what the Goog gave me .. oh well .. looks like I'm back on track now :-D

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Woosta:

thanks!

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iamlindoro:

no problem

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Chicago:

Hi. Are there any pieces of software to overlay on mythmusic to show me lyrics of songs?

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Chicago:

Currently, I use google and find lyrics when I need them...

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iamlindoro:

Nope, no lyrics functionality in mythmusic

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Woosta:

When mythtv complains it can't connect to an X server, what's the lightest solution? I don't want to install all of KDE or Gnome if all it needs is just some simple subset of stuff.

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Dorward:

Woosta: Lightest would be "just Xorg"

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Woosta:

Oh hey Dorward!

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Dorward:

hey

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Woosta:

wow .. lots of dependencies .. tons of xserver-xorg-video-*

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iamlindoro:

yup... you minimally need xorg to run the mythtv-setup, even if you're not running a frontend on that machine

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Dorward:

Couldn't you do something like DISPLAY=other-server:0 mythtv-setup ?

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iamlindoro:

You can export X, yes, or via SSH

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ServerSage:

Dorward: You still need the x-common stuff to export the display.

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Dorward:

Good point

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Woosta:

well .. at least all these vid drivers are 20k-ish

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justinh:

Chicago: there's a patch floating around somewhere to display lyrics but AFAIK they're not syncronised

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justinh:

Chicago: it'd only work in svn trunk or the 0.21-fixes branch though

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justinh:

Chicago: if I remember rightly it's done as a visualiser

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Chicago:

justinh: cool

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Chicago:

justinh: Too bad for me on this gentoo setup, I am only running the stable 0.20 branch.

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Chicago:

justinh: I guess I will make another one and use the ~x86 branch in gentoo for mythtv which will give me 0.21-fixes.

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justinh:

can't remember if the patch was submitted & committed or not

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justinh:

oh bugger. seems I didn't remember correctly: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . rics;#306423

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justinh:

doh. aha! http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4479

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xris:

DaedalusX: don'

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xris:

first off, don't buy outdated technology like SCSI

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DaedalusX:

ok

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xris:

get SATA with a good 3ware RAID card... or get SAS if you *really* want to waste money and get a tiny bit of extra speed.

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DaedalusX:

Let's say 5 sata drives instead ...

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xris:

honestly, you won't need speed for mythtv, though.

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hads:

Or software if you want to save money

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xris:

hads: that, too... but raid card + bbu is more reliable

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hads:

Yup

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hads:

Depends how important a bunch of TV shows is to you I guess :)

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DaedalusX:

But let say I want my box to do more than MythTV

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DaedalusX:

And I'd like the performance

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xris:

DaedalusX: unless you're doing realtime video editing of raw video, you won't need that much speed

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hads:

All my movies/music/etc. are on a RAID5, TV is just on a single disk, if it dies it dies.

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xris:

raid5 wshould be more than enough

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xris:

even in software. more so if you get a hardware raid card.

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DaedalusX:

so raid10 is a bigger pita

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xris:

no, 10 is nice and easy.

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xris:

but if you're doing it for speed, it's a waste of space for a mythbox that wouldn't take advantage of the speed gains over raid 5 or 6

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DaedalusX:

ok

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DaedalusX:

How about SCSI for the OS and IDE for mass storage ?

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hads:

Why?

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xris:

both of those technologies are horribly out of date

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xris:

didn't know you could really even buy IDE drives anymore.

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justinh:

yeah you can

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justinh:

you can even buy SATA to PATA converters (both ways)

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xris:

justinh: yeah, I know. they usually cost more than the better/faster SATA equivalent, though

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xris:

DaedalusX: you'll also have trouble finding a motherboard with that many IDE ports onit.

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hads:

Yeah these days

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justinh:

heh we're still selling machines using HDDs in PIO mode 4

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DaedalusX:

So SATA/Raid on a pci-x controller ?

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xris:

DaedalusX: what's the fascination with old tech?

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DaedalusX:

Cheeeeeap

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xris:

not really.

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otwin:

if you experienced a drive crash during a raid 5 rebuild of important data, you'll love raid 6...

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DaedalusX:

You can buy some office dell poweredge 2650 for 200$

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bsdfox:

otwin: been there once :P

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justinh:

why raid for mythtv? it's only telly :)

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xris:

otwin: raid6 controller isn't cheap, though.

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bsdfox:

fileserver

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otwin:

bsdfox: me too – intranet server

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bsdfox:

I did software raid6

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justinh:

oh yeah you can't get 50TB HDDs yet

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iamlindoro:

If you've got 50 Tb of Tb then you have bigger problems... like your bleached-white flesh :)

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justinh:

almost done with my hackery for today. if it works I'll start turning over some other stones

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iamlindoro:

er 50 TB of TV

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otwin:

this is at work – no need for that for my recordings

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fryfrog:

man, i'd love to have 50tb of tb!

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fryfrog:

how many terabytes would that be though?

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hads:

Bah silly networkmanager taking down my ssh session while doing an upgrade.

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fryfrog:

just... 50 tb?

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fryfrog:

hads: one word – "screen" :)

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hads:

Yes. That doesn't bring my connection back up though :)

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Chicago:

justinh: The screenshots for the lyrics plugin look nice and the discussion about using the mp3 header to store the un-synchronized lyrics sounds good to me too.

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fryfrog:

no, but if it was doing a reload, it'd come back up

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fryfrog:

which is what i usually see from automated tools :)

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hads:

Well, it didn't.

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justinh:

Chicago: it's still just hanging there. ticket wasn't closed though, which I'd find encouraging

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fryfrog:

that is lame

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fryfrog:

LAME!

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fryfrog:

i hate when that happens

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fryfrog:

and invariably, it happens at the start of me being at work instead of the end :)

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Chicago:

me too

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Woosta:

When I run mythtv-setup it appears there are buttons that are off the bottom of my screen .. is that some setting in myth that I've missed? Or some setting in Xorg.conf?

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fryfrog:

its called overscan :(

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Woosta:

cool .. how do I reduce my scan then :-D

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fryfrog:

you can use the myth gui to adjust the size of myth, it is... i forget where

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justinh:

look it up in the wikiwikiwiki

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fryfrog:

and it is a slow, tedious process :(

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justinh:

fryfrog: in the appearance section

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justinh:

fryfrog: and no longer tedious or slow in trunk or the ever-nearing release

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Woosta:

Using the myth gui sounds good .. but if I can't see the buttons, how can I adjust anything? (I'll check the wiki)

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justinh:

I try not to be smug about it but it's difficult – I'm very proud :)

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justinh:

Woosta: vnc helps ;)

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Woosta:

LOL

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Woosta:

good idea

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justinh:

there's a small bug in the setup button stuff IIRC too. I was thinking about looking at making sure they're all put in a more overscan safe area a while back.

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runoff:

how or where do it change capture resoultion, using PVR-x50's, thanks for any help from a lurker

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justinh:

runoff: mythfrontend utils/setup > setup > tv settings > recording profiles

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fryfrog:

mythtv-setup

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fryfrog:

Woosta: i either use x11vnc or just wing it

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Woosta:

yeah, installing vnc now

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** justinh resists the temptation to suggest taking the case off the TV **

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runoff:

that has generic options not specific resotions list in documentation??/

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Woosta:

It's not a TV .. yet .. just trying to get it to run on a monitor

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justinh:

Woosta: ahh you found the bug where some setup buttons vanish then

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Woosta:

overscan sounds like it's to fix the aspect ratio difference between a tv and monitor ..

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Woosta:

lol

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justinh:

Woosta: nah overscan is all about something else. wiki to find out

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fryfrog:

oh, what?

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fryfrog:

you can't see all the buttons on a *monitor*?

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fryfrog:

like, pc monitor?

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fryfrog:

lcd or crt?

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fryfrog:

might you have just picked a resoultion that you need to do some monitor adjustments for?

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Woosta:

crt

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fryfrog:

overscan *is* a tv thing, not a monitor

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fryfrog:

er, not computer monitor thing (generally)

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Woosta:

sounds like it .. I only just installed xorg on here

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fryfrog:

you probably have a menu to adjust the size of the crt viewing area, i know my crts do

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Woosta:

Oh, actually on the monitor ..?

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Woosta:

Nah, I'm guessing there's something amiss in my xorg setup

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justinh:

bah had a reply from shaw cable. the IPs I reported have been inactive some time apparently and it's somebody masquerading IP addresses doing messenger spam. nice. so how the hell do I stop it crippling my router then?!

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Woosta:

like the monitor only does N pixels, but xorg is sending M pixels

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justinh:

last thing I wanna do is try & get my ISP to start filtering ports

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fryfrog:

yeah, or like, built into the monitor's OSD menu?

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fryfrog:

how can you have never run accross htis before? :)

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Woosta:

Never had X on this machine before

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Woosta:

ergh .. setup just segfaulted

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justinh:

Woosta: if in doubt use $command -geometry XSIZExYSIZE where $comamnd is the mythtv command (eg mythtv-setup or mythfrontend) :) make size smaller than your screenres

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justinh:

Woosta: what res are you running at and how much ram do you have?

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Woosta:

no idea, no idea :-P

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Woosta:

Oh, ram = 128mb

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Woosta:

res is whatever x started at

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justinh:

which is?

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Woosta:

How do I ask it?

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justinh:

xrandr might tell you

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Woosta:

If it's the *, then 1024x768

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justinh:

call me an asshole if you want but unsolicited PMs from people I don't know from Adam wind up getting people ignored

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justinh:

just for the record ^^

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Woosta:

justinh: completely agree :-D

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Woosta:

OK, when myth-setup starts, I get grey swirls and a wrench. Nothing else. Pressing Enter (random guess) goes into config screens

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Woosta:

Should I be seeing something else?

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justinh:

Woosta: you're missing msttcorefonts

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Woosta:

ahh

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Woosta:

FFS .. that's annoying

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justinh:

the default theme needs Arial

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Woosta:

(the splits)

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justinh:

heheh whaddya want for free?

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justinh:

this is not just wet bits of string. this is community-run wet bits of string

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Woosta:

hahaha

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Woosta:

yeah, doesn't piss me off .. just the flood of part/joins on the screen. I should turn them off :-D

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Woosta:

ergh .. hang on .. IIRC debian stopped distributing msttcorefonts

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justinh:

Woosta: I've been trying to find an OSS alternative to Arial to put in the core themes but so far no dice

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justinh:

and no, Bitstream Vera doesn't cut it

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justinh:

the kerning is broken compared to Arial

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Woosta:

yeah

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Woosta:

arial's kerning is crap enough

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justinh:

starting to think I might need another monitor

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justinh:

def. need a faster cpu on my dev box. been tweaking a 3000 line cpp today & it's taking an age to build

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Woosta:

That's thinking time. By the time it finishes you'll have thought of 3 bugs you forgot to fix

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justinh:

more than thinking time

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justinh:

myth takes like 3 hohurs to build from scratch

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Ribs:

ouch

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Woosta:

ergh

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Ribs:

justinh, I've found ccache to be really helpfull

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justinh:

might be only 2. feels like 3

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Ribs:

been doing some 'tweaking' myself

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Ribs:

make clean && make never went so fast :)

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justinh:

Ribs: it is – as long as there've not been any changes in major headers

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Ribs:

ah yeah

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Ribs:

that would upset it

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justinh:

and lately that's mostly what there's been :)

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Ribs:

can you distcc the work to other machine?

[23:06:20]

justinh:

too many different versions around I think

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justinh:

I'll just bite the bullet eventually & go C2D

[23:06:46]

justinh:

can't go on developing on an 800Mhz CPU :P

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justinh:

hmm these new autoexpire buttons don't work

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Woosta:

oooh! Now setup give me OPTIONS!

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Ribs:

is there going to be a new release of myth soon?

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justinh:

this might be a real limitation somewhere & would explain why another function was done the way it was

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fryfrog:

eventually? :)

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fryfrog:

but i don't think "soon"

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Ribs:

hrmm

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Ribs:

the ubuntu packages seem to hint at it

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fryfrog:

of course, this is my entirely unrelated to the project opinion

[23:11:19]

justinh:

Ribs: myth has been branched into release-0-21-fixes in the last couple of days

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fryfrog:

in what way?

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justinh:

so if your definition of 'soon' is before September you may be right ;)

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Ribs:

fryfrog, look at this changelog: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/ . . . u1/changelog

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Ribs:

"* Switch to trunk in preparation of upcoming 0.21 release."

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Ribs:

that's the giveaway

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justinh:

0.25 is upcoming

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Ribs:

heh

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Ribs:

well, yeah

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Ribs:

but that suggests it's going to be sometime soon

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fryfrog:

oh, okay, maybe i am wrong!

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fryfrog:

i think you are right, i didn't realize they'd gone into feature freeze

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Ribs:

there are some nice features in the svn right now

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** Ribs is very tempted to switch **

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justinh:

fryfrog: I hope you like the more user friendly gui size setting thingy :)

[23:14:04]

fryfrog:

i'm using trunk from a few weeks ago, i think i'll switch to the 0.21-fixes branch :)

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justinh:

infact I hope lots of people like it. much sweat went into it

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Ribs:

I thought the -fixes branches were for fixes *after* release?

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fryfrog:

nice :)

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fryfrog:

http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/

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fryfrog:

i don't think so, i think it is the "branch" used for building packages in that series

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fryfrog:

ie, 21 fixes would always be the "latest" version of 0.21

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justinh:

unless I'm being thick here, SLOT(doPlaylistExpireSetting(false)) isn't passing the arg

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fryfrog:

and when they do a *release* then they make a "tag" which is that specific version

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Anduin:

Ribs: It is being done a little differently this time.

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justinh:

haha my dog is trying to make off with my c++ book & eat it

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S2:

Ribs: i tought that too

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S2:

Anduin: how?

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Woosta:

Hmmm .. I'm wondering if myth is really going to do what I was hoping .. I download avi files and was hoping myth's nice GUI would let me choose a file to play. I'm not doing any recording/watching live tv

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Anduin:

S2: the release will be from the 0.21-fixes branch, normally the project branches for the release, not before.

[23:18:52]

mzb:

Woosta: mythvideo will do that for you

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S2:

Woosta: mythvideo does that

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Ribs:

Anduin, So it's a feature freeze whilst things stabilise?

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justinh:

Anduin: off the top of your head, does trying to pass an arg to a function in a popup button fail to make it pressable ?

[23:19:42]

S2:

Anduin: so they made a 21-fixes branch even if there is no 21 to fix :)

[23:19:52]

Anduin:

Ribs: Yes, only "bug fixes" in the release-0.21-fixes branch

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Ribs:

interesting

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Ribs:

so now would be a really good time for bug hunting?

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Anduin:

justinh: Is it a predefined signal?

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Anduin:

Ribs: Yes, release is probably end of this month/start of next

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Ribs:

ah, long before september then! :D

[23:21:24]

Ribs:

would explain why Ubuntu is switching for the next release as well

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Anduin:

Yeah, I know their freeze date was known and probably given some weight

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justinh:

Anduin: well, I'm trying to call doPlaylistExpireSetting with either false or true depending on which button is pressed (so two buttons, one arg option per button)

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justinh:

doPlaylistExpireSetting is a void which should be able to take the bool

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Ribs:

is myth still using qt3?

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Anduin:

Ribs: Yes

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jams:

Ribs- yes

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justinh:

Ribs: yeah but there's a qt4 branch IIRC

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Anduin:

and a switch to Qt4 in trunk will happen sometime after the release

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Anduin:

(hopefully waiting for a point release to fix any lingering issues)

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justinh:

ahhh

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Anduin:

justinh: But how will the button signal be different? (no default args for slots)

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justinh:

yeah I just realised that. I'll work around it rather than make a mess. thanks very much for the hint

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Anduin:

justinh: Your code would not be the first to have two slots, both of which call a single function with different args

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justinh:

somewhere else in playbackbox.cpp one of 2 functions is called which then call another functon with different args

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justinh:

from button slots

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justinh:

like 6 extra lines or so

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kisak:

hi folks

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Ribs:

hrm, I can't disable backend anymore

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kisak:

I recently moved a harddrive which is a recordings repository from one backend to another, the old recordings are no longer accessable by mythtv, but still exist

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Anduin:

Ribs: It was originally only for people working on ports anyway.

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kisak:

what can I do to fix the db so that it can find the recordings?

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kisak:

I am running mythtv 0.21 svn co 15718

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Anduin:

kisak: The main mythtv docs cover server renames

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justinh:

Anduin: I saw that when I read the code earlier & wondered why they didn't just pass the arg from the button slot

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kisak:

I was not aware of said docs

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Anduin:

kisak: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7

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Anduin:

kisak: You want to change hostname field in recorded

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fryfrog:

kisak: I think you have two options

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fryfrog:

kisak: ah, yes, the above is one!

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Ribs:

Anduin, it's useful to cut down on compiling for machines that really don't need a backend

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fryfrog:

you could also NFS share/mount the drive in the same place it is expected

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Ribs:

I'm compiling on a PS3, for example :)

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fryfrog:

Ribs: i used to like that as well, aparantly it just cuase to many problems

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Ribs:

hrm, I've had no issues at all

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fryfrog:

me either

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kisak:

fryfrog, the old mythbox lost it's OS in the move as well

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Ribs:

what kind of problems arise from not compiling a backend?

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fryfrog:

i *think* it was not compiling some things needed on other platforms

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fryfrog:

but i've no experience with problems myself, so i have no true idea :)

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Anduin:

kisak: So it isn't running a backend?

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kisak:

the old mythtv box is braindead now

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fryfrog:

kisak:

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Anduin:

kisak: Did you machine name change?

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Anduin:

r

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fryfrog:

kisak: oh, guess you just need to change the host name

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Woosta:

Ahh, OK. I installed mythvideo .. but .. call me dumb .. but how do I run it?

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justinh:

Woosta: media library – watch videos

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Ribs:

you'll need to configure it first tho

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justinh:

first you need to set it up though

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Ribs:

in the settings menu

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Ribs:

media settings

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Woosta:

Oh, from mythfrontend .. duh

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Woosta:

thanks ::::::::::::-d

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Ribs:

lol

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kisak:

Anduin: the link you provided appears to not have the information I need

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Anduin:

kisak: Yeah, further down: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc23.15

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Anduin:

kisak: and if you have any familiarity with SQL I'd recommend just doing what it says, the significantly easier way.

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kisak:

well... the server mythtv has been moved to already has a distinct name, I came here to find out what fields I need to tinker with in mysql

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kisak:

and there are already a substantial amount of recordings from the new backend

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kisak:

to get access to the older recordings would mean loosing access to the newer recordings

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adac2:

I try to connect to my backend server but i get this error: Database error was: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'172.16.0.3' (using password: YES)

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adac2:

what can i do?

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Anduin:

kisak: So you don't have the same DB?

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Anduin:

kisak: Just the files?

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kisak:

Anduin: yes, the db was migrated before the repo was migrated

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kisak:

mysqldump for mythconverg and sent over to the other backend

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Anduin:

kisak: Well then the mythconverg.recorded table field hostname is the most important, the settings table as well, though if you've run mythtv-setup you would have trouble just renaming.

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justinh:

ooo amazon UK have gone drm free music downloads

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justinh:

er.. play.com I mean

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kisak:

Anduin: 'select * from recorded where hostname = "mythbox";' that seems to give a clean readout of what needs to be changed

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kisak:

If only I knew the mysql command to replace

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Anduin:

kisak: Yup, then check your settings table (hostname is a bad name for that field, it is actually used to lookup the IP in the settings table)

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justinh:

knowing things is usually but a google away

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Anduin:

kisak: update recorded set hostname = 'blah' where hostname = 'old';

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justinh:

Anduin: I'll post a thread on -dev list asking what people would like to rename the field to eh? ;)

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Anduin:

kisak: take SQL from me at your own peril

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Anduin:

justinh: I'd prefer if we just did away with the whole ick, hoping the UPnP stuff gets us there eventually.

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justinh:

aye, and bundle the rest into nice wizardy things

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kisak:

Query OK, 74 rows affected (0.04 sec)

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kisak:

Rows matched: 74 Changed: 74 Warnings: 0

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kisak:

boom!

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kisak:

instant success

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kisak:

no changing hostnames BS

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kisak:

I know at least 1 recording entry was removed from the db, but the actual file still exists, is there a way for me to find out which?

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Anduin:

kisak: There is some stuff in the contrib directory, finds orphans, or worst case imports found files

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kisak:

where is the contrib directory?

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kisak:

scratch that

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Anduin:

kisak: That depends, if you are using packages... who knows... in the source directory it is mythtv/contrib

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kisak:

"/usr/portage/distfiles/svn-src/mythtv/mythtv/contrib/"

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kisak:

myth.find_orphans.pl?

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Anduin:

Yes

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justinh:

woooyeah! not a bad couple of nights' work.

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