Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, February 12th, 2008, 00:03 UTC

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justinh:

scary. 104,467 lines of XML

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justinh:

changed. in 8 months

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CCFL_Man2:

to transmodulate all my local off air digital channels from atsc to qam will cost thousands of $$$$ in equipment

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justinh:

CCFL_Man2: and this would be news how?

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: it's news to me

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CCFL_Man2:

at minimum is like $5k

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directhex:

broadcaster grade kit in "not free" shocker

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CCFL_Man2:

just to move the transport stream from one medium to another

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justinh:

CCFL_Man2: come now, digital tx is no simple matter

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justinh:

not like the 'video sender' in days of yore :P

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: well, true

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CCFL_Man2:

satellite to qam isn't much cheaper

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CCFL_Man2:

all this to get digital transport steams into myth

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justinh:

just pay some bored electronics/encryption whizz

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directhex:

atsc and satellite are already digital transport streams

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directhex:

try "all this to save the cost of an atsc and dvb-s tuner"

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: lol

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justinh:

well yeah. the truth is out there, so to speak but you won't be finding it here

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CCFL_Man2:

directhex: i mainly wanted the digicipher II channels over qam

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directhex:

here's a bad place for the truth

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** bagpuss_thecat looks at his 68 episodes of Scrubs, and goes looking for a Delete All button **

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justinh:

google knows the truth & will tell you if you cross its palms with the right strings

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justinh:

bagpuss_thecat: add group to playlist, then playlist options. delete

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directhex:

digiciph... oh christ, a pre-dvb, non-standard transmission standard

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directhex:

SODDING YANKS!

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justinh:

bagpuss_thecat: hint – in watch recordings, press M while the Scrubs group is highlighted

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CCFL_Man2:

directhex: i have a dcII receiver that can output dvb-asi if turned on

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bagpuss_thecat:

justinh: snazzy! just doing that now :-D

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bagpuss_thecat:

awesometastic

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justinh:

bagpuss_thecat: I added some stuff I'd like it to do to my list tonight. like toggle autoexpire on selected items

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justinh:

shouldn't be hard to add

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** bagpuss_thecat waits for the storage array to catch up **

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CCFL_Man2:

most arsc/qam stbs can only can in either atsc or qam, not both

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CCFL_Man2:

atsc

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bagpuss_thecat:

I suspect it's now deleting stuff in the background :-)

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justinh:

thinking about moving programme expiry info out of the status page too just so I can see more detail

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CCFL_Man2:

but, how do you combine both bands? you can't

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justinh:

qam is a modulation method

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justinh:

quadrature amplitude modulation

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CCFL_Man2:

i'm talking about off air and catv digital channels

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justinh:

we have qam in the UK

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CCFL_Man2:

the us uses 64qam and 256qam

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CCFL_Man2:

for the unencrypted ones

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justinh:

we use 16qam & 64qam. 64qam on 2k sucks

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CCFL_Man2:

2k?

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justinh:

2k transmission mode

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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CCFL_Man2:

epg data is never treansmitted on qam gere either

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CCFL_Man2:

here

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CCFL_Man2:

unless it's part of the transport stream

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CCFL_Man2:

DW-TV does not transmit epg on AMC 1

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justinh:

"The fact that MythTV is behind other PVR solutions is not unknown to the MythTV developers" what the F*** ?!

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Beirdo:

nice marketing bullshit. from what company?

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** iamlindoro_ smells mailing list **

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justinh:

mythtvnews.com

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iamlindoro_:

ooh, close

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alexvd_:

all keep getting a crash on my slave frontend when watching a sd tuner. It happens exactly at 30 minute intervals. Sometimes it will pause other times it hang and I have to exit back to the frontend and then enter live tv again. Nothing in the backend logs Anyway to troubleshoot?

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justinh:

Beirdo: basically they found mention of 'gloss' somewhere, posted a link to the youtube video & said one day the myth ui will look/act like that. despite the fact that there's not yet any evidence to point in that direction but hey it's 'news'

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justinh:

mythtvconjecture.com

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

and to think they started off so well. now it just seems like clutching at straws just to keep up the post count

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justinh:

oh and "Last.FM coming to MythTV". is it? we know people are working on it & starting to trash stuff out but.. might be a tad early to make that statement

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justinh:

s/trash/thrash

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alexvd_:

hey not to knock the guy but did you see where his personal site says that he thinks osx is the most advanced os ever.

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justinh:

I'm not knocking the guy – I love the idea but to call some of the stuff 'news' is reaching too far

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alexvd_:

i just thought it interesting that he says he is a big proponent of open source and yet he thinks so great of closed source apple

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CCFL_Man2:

mythtv is ahead of most pvr sysatems actually

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alexvd_:

but if he creates a sweet theme i would happily use it

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justinh:

a mere theme can't do all that snazzy stuff by itself

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Miranda_:

In MythVideos, how can I view folders shared by a samba server? What would I enter in the 'colon seperated list' of directories?

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justinh:

Miranda_: the local dirs your samba shares are mounted to

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Miranda_:

I can't browse them without mounting?

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cellwind929:

hi, I am trying to install a Hauppage HVR-1600 in ubuntu, I have isntalled the driver, but am on the part where I have to copy the windows firmware files to a linux director and I don't know where that is. here are the instructions im following: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Cx18 Is it just the /lib/firmware/ directory or is it something else?

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CCFL_Man2:

Miranda_: mount them on the box your running the front end

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justinh:

Miranda_: that's right. you can't browse them without mounting. what do you think this is? XBMC?!

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Miranda_:

justinh, :]

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SerajewelKS:

is it normal for mythbackend to be using over 100mb of ram while doing nothing?

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justinh:

wonder how much work would be involved in changing that

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CCFL_Man2:

']for my dream system i'll need atleast two 6ft satellite dishes

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justinh:

cellwind929: the dir you copy firmware to depends on the distro you run

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CCFL_Man2:

3 if music choice will give me service

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cellwind929:

justinh: im on ubuntu 7.10

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justinh:

cellwind929: but yeah /lib/firmware is the place a good howto would tell you

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Miranda_:

SerajewelKS, from what i've read, MythTV is *VERY* memory-intensive

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cellwind929:

justinh: in the /lib/firmware/ folder, theres another folder called 2.6.22-14-generic, does it go in that subfolder, or just the straight up firmware folder?

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SerajewelKS:

Miranda_: i can see that while playing, but while idling?

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justinh:

cellwind929: just in /lib/firmware

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cellwind929:

justinh: thanks! ill give that a shot, now to test my new HVR-1600

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: what's 100MB ?

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justinh:

you think that's a lot. try blootube-wide in mythfrontend at 1920x1080 !

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Aval0n:

yeha

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Aval0n:

pretty memory intensive

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justinh:

Aval0n: you get the new theme checkout?

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Aval0n:

no

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Aval0n:

I havn't yet

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Aval0n:

just got home.

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justinh:

been more theme changes tonight. not that'd you'd notice

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Aval0n:

ahh cool

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justinh:

was looking at some stats earlier. scary numbers

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Aval0n:

I need to checkout most current svn too

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Aval0n:

see if it gets rid of the recordings page bug I've got

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justinh:

over 1.5 million lines of mythtv code

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Aval0n:

omg

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justinh:

oops. only over 1 million

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justinh:

they class xml & other stuff as code though

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Aval0n:

what's your fav theme atm justinh>

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Aval0n:

?

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justinh:

Aval0n: none of the above

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Aval0n:

don't have one?

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Aval0n:

not even glass?

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Aval0n:

:)

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justinh:

still using glass-wide but it sucks

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

I almost switched to glass-wide

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justinh:

you try developing a theme & loving it

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Aval0n:

but I like blootube-wide

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Aval0n:

haha

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Aval0n:

yeah I can imagine

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Aval0n:

it's like when I wanted my wood floors

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Aval0n:

I was all excited

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justinh:

soon as something that passes muster comes along, bye bye

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Aval0n:

then after 90% of the way installing it I didn't even wanna look at it

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justinh:

working on a new one for a very sssshhhh project now though

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Aval0n:

I can't wait for some nice animation/fade effects

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Aval0n:

as long as it maintains functionality

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justinh:

first thing I'll be turning off

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Aval0n:

haha

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justinh:

if they can be fast & not get in the way they can stay

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Aval0n:

then you're probably not a fan of beryl :)

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justinh:

ooo beryl. fun for 10 minutes

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Aval0n:

haha

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Aval0n:

didn't think so.

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: well i was watching 1028x760 or somesuch

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: 100mb just seems like a lot when it's doing nothing

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Aval0n:

1024x768?

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Aval0n:

wow he's laggin bad

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Aval0n:

;)

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: doesn't matter what res you run X at, mythbackend eats what it eats

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: it's not doing nothing

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justinh:

run mythbackend with -v all & see how much it's actually doing

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: 0% cpu use sure seems like nothing to me

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: by "nothing" i mean "the frontend is not open and nothing is coming up to be recorded for over three hours"

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justinh:

my money is on the scheduler ticking over and probably the housekeeper too

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justinh:

hey if you don't like it nobody's making you use it

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Aval0n:

if the frontend is not open, then how can you see it's using 100mb?

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justinh:

Aval0n: the backend is using about 100MB.

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Aval0n:

right

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justinh:

is on mine too, and it's recording

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Aval0n:

but I thought was was referring to FE

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Aval0n:

you think me having an additional gig of ram would speed the FE up?

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Aval0n:

I have 1gb now

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Aval0n:

with a p4 3.4ghz HT

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: i never said i didn't like it

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justinh:

mysql seems to be using 32MB doing 'nothing' here (!)

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: i asked why, not "fix this because you all suck" :)

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: I don't know exactly why. so long as the amount doesn't keep growing til you run out & it crashes it's fine

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justinh:

hasn't stopped some jokers running mythbackend on an xbox

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justinh:

ram is cheap. 100MB isn't much, everything considered

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Aval0n:

justinh what fs do you run?

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Aval0n:

for your mythtv boxne

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justinh:

nfs for the frontend. xfs on the backend for all media

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

no ext3 eh?

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justinh:

ext3 on /

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justinh:

'media' meaning music, video & tv

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Aval0n:

right

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Aval0n:

so you run an independant backened eh?

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justinh:

used to use ext3 before the gradual deletion stuff in mythbackend but had an accident

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Aval0n:

I run the BE and FE on same box

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Aval0n:

ahh

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justinh:

was downloading big files, / got full (/home was still on / at the time) – mysql pooped itself & trashed the db

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Aval0n:

ouch

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justinh:

all when I was trying to delete 300GB of recordings too

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justinh:

my db backups were all safe though :)

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Miranda_:

gah, is there an easier way to find the uid of a user than 'cat /etc/passwd | grep username'?

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justinh:

run the gui user management tool?

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Miranda_:

eww gui ::thumbsdown::

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Miranda_:

hehe

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justinh:

you said easier, not quicker. though I can't see what's hard about opening a terminal

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Miranda_:

I'm being stupid again, I guess

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Miranda_:

my eyes start to blur when I see 102:27

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Miranda_:

awesome, it worked

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emory:

can anyone recommend an Nvidia card that will work out of the box with ubuntu/mythtv?

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SerajewelKS:

emory: i have 7600gt

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emory:

they make that in AGP?

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justinh:

out of the box? errrr.. none really

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justinh:

if by 'out of the box' you mean not having to install the restricted binary drivers

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emory:

well I'm ok with restricted with Nvidia as long as they will work with livetv/guide

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emory:

ATI is just starting to piss me off

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SerajewelKS:

emory: hell even 5500 would probably work

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emory:

I figure anything 5200 and up would work I just wanted some recommendations before I made the 45 minute drive to Fry's

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SerajewelKS:

the cheapest nvidia crap fry's has will almost certainly work :)

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emory:

lol

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mzb:

Miranda_: $ id $USER

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mzb:

emory: mx420 and up (ie. gf4) to have xvmc support

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Miranda_:

mzb, cool, that's perfect

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emory:

well I happen to know that Ubuntu really hates the Geforce 4200's and Quadro 4's

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mzb:

not 4200

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mzb:

that's TI

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emory:

I have a few in my closet... :( bad experience

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mzb:

I mean gf4 mx420

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mzb:

(and up)

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emory:

ok

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Miranda_:

hmm, apparently mythvideo ignores escape characters befor spaces in filenames

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Miranda_:

mzb, how do you feel a Geforce 3 200Ti would run with Myth?

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mzb:

so I'd suggest mx440, fx5200 or 6200

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Miranda_:

mzb, with the 96xx legacy drivers, of course

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mzb:

Miranda_: no idea

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mzb:

err gf3

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mzb:

no

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mzb:

won't have xvmc

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mzb:

I think

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Miranda_:

what's xvmc do, does it still matter if I use OpenGL rendering?

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mzb:

I'm pretty sure gf4 was the first model with xvmc

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mzb:

don't know

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mzb:

XVmC is motion compensation for mpeg2

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mzb:

smooths the image out, etc

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mzb:

nappy change, brb

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mzb:

(not mine;)

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Miranda_:

liar

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justinh:

xvmc isn't worth a light. if you can get by without it, do

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Miranda_:

justinh, I was going to anyway, but why do you say that?

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justinh:

because the disadvantages of xvmc outweigh the benefits

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Miranda_:

hmm.

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Miranda_:

I guess we'll see how it acts..

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Miranda_:

I just want to replace this 6800Ultra OC.. the card's too fat for a micro atx board

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mzb_d800:

XVmC made about 10–15% difference in CPU usage for me

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mzb_d800:

(significant on a slow machine)

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mzb_d800:

can anyone tell me if the Asus M2NPV-VM is a good|bad choice? It's the only all-in-one solution I could find that has nvidia + TV-out (long story)

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mzb_d800:

planning to get a BE-2350 for it in a low-profile case for a diskless FE

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mzb_d800:

and possibly also an X2 4000+ (or better) in combined FE+BE (eg. in Antec Fusion V2 | 430)

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jhulst:

mzb_d800: That is the motherboard I use for my frontend but I don't use the TV out on it

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mzb_d800:

any issues?

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mzb_d800:

eg: do sensors work?

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mzb_d800:

I assume the TVout module is standard kit (not optional)

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jhulst:

mzb_d800: nope, works great, sensors are a little iffy

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mchou:

mzb_d800: sensors would be the least of your problems. I'd be much more concerned about acpi implementation

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jhulst:

My motherboard came with the modules

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jhulst:

s/modules/tv out modules/

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cafuego:

mzb_d800: I wouldn't worry particularly about all-in-on mobos, nvdia cards with tv out are dirt cheap

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mzb_d800:

jhulst: ok, thanks ... iffy how?

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mzb_d800:

cafuego: space and heat are an issue: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_cont . . . amp;area=usa

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jhulst:

mzb_d800: I take that back, I was thinking of another machine, they work fine, I just looked now

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mzb_d800:

as it is, I'm not sure if I can source an NT07-AM2

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mzb_d800:

jhulst: ah, excellent, thanks

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cafuego:

ah, so you'd need a low profile card

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mzb_d800:

no

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** cafuego has a cheap-ass fanless 7200 or somesuch that doesn't get particularly warm **

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jhulst:

mzb_d800: The only thing that may be questionable is the sound, my was a little scratchy, I put in an external card and it works fine now, not sure what was going on with that

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mzb_d800:

ML02 has ability to put EITHER PCIe OR PCI card, but mounted horizontally

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mzb_d800:

jhulst: ah ... hmmm ... I'll see how I go ... have convinced customer to get mobo+cpu+memory so I can test for issues (and heat) before final decision of case

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mzb_d800:

hopefully I'll end up with a *free* frontend out of the whole thing

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jhulst:

mzb_d800: It's a good board, I have an external soundcard I was planning on putting in anyways so Ididn't spend much time looking at tit

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mzb_d800:

cafuego: it's not so much the issue of the heat of the GPU, but more the size (in that case) and the restriction of air-flow ... I'd *like* to do fanless CPU if possible (might be possible with 45W BE series)

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mzb_d800:

jhulst: ok thanks for the heads-up

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cafuego:

mzb_d800: Are you planning on offloading commflag/transcode to a different backend?

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mzb_d800:

if the NT07-AM2 wasn't so hard to locate the heat probably wouldn't be so much of an issue

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kazan:

wtf

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mzb_d800:

cafuego: yes

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kazan:

commflag is being a gready bastard

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mzb_d800:

tuner-less and disk-less in the ML02

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cafuego:

which reminds me, i have a bakcend to reconfig

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kazan:

for nice -n ... higher number = less important, lower number = more important, yes?

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mzb_d800:

I already have a mythtv network suitable for testing it

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mzb_d800:

kazan: yes

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mzb_d800:

(root privileges for <0)

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cafuego:

mzb_d800: You could also tftp/nfsroot the bugger, not having disk would help lots, I expect.

[02:04:20]

kazan:

something is causing video stuttering on a PVR-500 recording.... top reports total CPU usage of about 8%

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mzb_d800:

I reckon ... yeah PXE (or similar) with remote fs

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mzb_d800:

ie. case, mobo, cpu, memory + CPU heatsink is all I want

[02:04:58]

kazan:

wonder if 2x250+1x500 GB drives in a single LVM is causing problems

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jhulst:

I don't think the M2N will do PXE straight from bios

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mzb_d800:

really?

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mzb_d800:

no netboot option?

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** justinh makes sure his diary is booked for Jul 19th/20th this year. washing hair or something **

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mzb_d800:

sounds like an unusual option not to have these days

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cafuego:

mzb_d800: Depending on the net card, grub might support it directly.. in which case use an old disk and spin it down after bootup.

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jhulst:

mzb_d800: I had looked into it a little bit and didn't see any options for it

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cafuego:

kazan: how may streams and in what format?

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... prefer not to do that ... I could always use a USB stick I guess

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justinh:

cafuego: CF on IDE would be better

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justinh:

or USB

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mzb_d800:

and then NFS root it

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cafuego:

I suppose

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justinh:

just using a HDD for a bootloader is a waste of space

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mzb_d800:

yep ... prefer light and simple

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** cafuego has more spare old disks than spare cf ide controllers, is all I'm saying :-) **

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mzb_d800:

jhulst: manual says:

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mzb_d800:

Manageability WfM2.0, DMI2.0, WOL by PME, WOR, PXE, Chassis

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mzb_d800:

Intrusion

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kazan:

cafuego: 1 in MPEG2

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kazan:

think it's filesystem performance

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mzb_d800:

so I'm guessing it must be there somewhere

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cafuego:

kazan: Seems odd though

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kazan:

yeah

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justinh:

eep. enough bitmap mashing. time for bed

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kazan:

everything i read says LVM2 is not much overhead

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jhulst:

mzb_d800: hmm, must be, I'll have to look again

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cafuego:

kazan: You';d have to be a pretty full, fragmented or shit FS to not kleep up with that

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mzb_d800:

cafuego: problem is that "client" wan't first systems as "demo units" with possibility of more in the future

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mzb_d800:

s/wan't/wants

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kazan:

ext3 on LVM(250GB,250GB,500GB)

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kazan:

frag is entirely possible

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kazan:

as it's got recordings and mythvideo on it

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cafuego:

kazan: I have no problems with multiple HD streams to ext3 on lvm on raid5 over NFS

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cafuego:

... on a relatively slow machine at that

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kazan:

the pv's for my LVM are each individual SATAII drives

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kazan:

1GB ram in the system, athlon 64 x2 4200+

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cafuego:

kazan: Yes, so you lack the overhead raid5 causes here

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cafuego:

mine's only a single 3200+

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cafuego:

3000+ even

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kazan:

i can't really use myth for HD... got the tuners, got the performance, but also got buggy AC3 streams from several of my channels that cause myth to lockup

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kazan:

i can use it for programs off Iowa Public Television HD :P

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kazan:

they don't use AC3 for their audio

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cafuego:

kazan: Anything in `dmesg' about an unhappy kernel?

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kazan:

if it has ac3 audio myth will probably choke on it for me

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kazan:

hmm

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kazan:

yes in fact

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kazan:

there was some serious bitching in dmesg

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kazan:

a mythbackend crash

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kazan:

due to out of memory

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kazan:

but not recently

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kazan:

OOM kill on front end

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cafuego:

with 1Gb ram? ouch

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kazan:

memory leak anyone? :P

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cafuego:

in Linux? NOWAI!

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kazan:

proc/meminfo, mem tot 1gb, mem free 190240kb, buffers 2888, cached 305856, active 511668

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jamesd:

MemTotal: 4056416 kB

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cafuego:

Don't make me ssh to the other system and slap you down

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mzb_d800:

yeah, you're all over-compensating ;)

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jamesd:

cafuego, i can access a few weblogic servers at work... 32GB anyone... of course i can also ssh to the "Big" boxes...

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** cafuego places a phonecall to VPAC **

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mzb_d800:

256MB in both my FE's (one of them has two tuners as well)

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kazan:

um..

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cafuego:

kazan: Still, mighty odd.

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mzb_d800:

MBE also has 256MB (xen vm)

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kazan:

frontend vsz 1233636kb = 1.17GB

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cafuego:

I should move my MBE into Xen as well

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mzb_d800:

kazan: can you use top and then sort by memory use?

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mzb_d800:

cafuego: MBE as xen vm works well

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kazan:

how do you short by mem usage?

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cafuego:

mzb_d800: The storage is an nfs share on a xen vm (since yesterday) and the MBE is the mainn frontene datm (no longer my desktop – yay!)

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SerajewelKS:

kazan: use > and < to shift the sort column

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SerajewelKS:

kazan: one > should do it

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kazan:

top reports frontend virt 1211, backend 646

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mzb_d800:

haven't been able to get the tuners to work reliably in the xen server for more than an hour or so

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cafuego:

for hit 'F' and pick a column

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mzb_d800:

kazan: or press O

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mzb_d800:

(iirc)

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cafuego:

my tuner would never go in the xen box, as there is no RF connectivity there

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kazan:

zero or capital O?

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mzb_d800:

O

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mzb_d800:

not 0

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cafuego:

Font issues?

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kazan:

yup frontend using 1212m, backend using 646 (virtual memory both)

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mzb_d800:

On<enter>

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kazan:

followed by /usr/bin/sealer (wtf is that?)

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cafuego:

never heard of sealer – apt-cache doesn't know it either

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kazan:

truncated sealert

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cafuego:

oh :-)

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cafuego:

selinux?

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kazan:

which is turned off :/

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kazan:

i always turn it off

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JohnMahowald:

I always leave selinux on.

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kazan:

i find it an annoying piece of garbage

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kazan:

that causes more problems than does anything useful

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cafuego:

it makes my web hosting clients not wreck their vm

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** jaqiefox smirks **

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** cafuego <3 **

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lightning:

evening, have a Q. I keep having my computer freeze but am not sure how to verify it is myth or the cause. I told the backend to log all, 16 minutes after a previous recording finished at night, the last entry i see is JobQueue indicating an entry is in Running state (seen for the last 15 minutes after the recording finished)

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jaqiefox:

kazan, the first thing I thought of when you said that was "That sounds like a man to me"...

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lightning:

the next entry is when I rebooted the server due to it locking up (ctrl-alt-f1 would not respond. X was unresponsive. SSH'ing int would connect but would not login)

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mzb_d800:

out of disk space?

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lightning:

any suggestions on what to look at or what else to log/verify. The frontend at the time was at the main menu and unused

[02:28:17]

lightning:

5GB available

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cafuego:

as root? or as user?

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lightning:

with a number of things set to auto-expire

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lightning:

root

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kazan:

jaqiefox: a female in #mythtv-users? unpossible!

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cafuego:

How much reserved? 5%?

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lightning:

i do not have any type of quota setup

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jaqiefox:

sorry guys, couldnt resist that statement

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cafuego:

lightning: Your filesystem probably does, though. ext2/ext3?

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kazan:

we're better than vibrators :P

[02:29:15]

lightning:

jfs filesystem

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jaqiefox:

heh. I dont really frequent IRC anymore, been years since I have... but Ive never had a PVR so here I am.

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** cafuego knows nothing about jfs, so couldn't tell you if it has reserved sapce or not **

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kazan:

well.. welcome.. i guess unlike use you have a HAF instead of a WAF :P

[02:30:05]

kazan:

(WAF=Wife Acceptance Factor)

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lightning:

sorry, my misreading. 52GB available with about another 25GB to autoexpire

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jaqiefox:

I usually just lurk for a while, great way to get trency-information, it's why I havent asked anything yet.

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jaqiefox:

trenchy**

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lightning:

10GB set for reserve/keep free

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kazan:

aah.. poor small harddrive person :P

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cafuego:

all thse heterosexual assumptions – tssk

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lightning:

this is just the main recording hd, the archive is larger

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lightning:

i'm just trying to solve why the machine locks up and is unusable

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kazan:

AAH

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kazan:

recording failed?!

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cafuego:

lightning: To me it sounds like the system load going up, so it just becomes extremely unresponsive, as opposed to actually hardlocking.

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lightning:

cafuego: any suggestions on pinpointing what is causing the system load?

[02:32:29]

cafuego:

lightning: your description soudns identical to a VM I have that starts to swap like mad due to a process eating 100%ram, then putting sysload on 80 or so.

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jaqiefox:

top -s1 in SSH from another box?

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lightning:

it ran all weekend fine yet during the week it will lockup/freeze

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lightning:

jaqiefox: ssh wouldnt let me login to look at the load

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Gokee2_Laptop:

Hello all, I got my Hauppauge PVR-150 and am trying to make mythtv work I keep getting the msg cannot connect to backend. I know I set the username and password somewhere but I forgot where. I thought it was mythtv-setup but I can`t find it in there now. Anyone care to remind me where to find the backend settings? THanks

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jaqiefox:

lightning, I meant before this happened

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lightning:

been trying to figure out how i could give ssh higher priority so i could do such things

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lightning:

ah, and just let it sit?

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cafuego:

lightning: ... and I've had a problem with a bad network card causing too many interrupts and making the machine oops too.

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jaqiefox:

if it stops responding the last thing top would show would be the highest cpu hog processes, if I am thinking correctly

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cafuego:

lightning: Or make it syslog to a remote host, that way such hardware issues would be logged

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jaqiefox:

good idea

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kazan:

wtf a recording failed on my HD tuner and backend logs don't say why

[02:34:27]

lightning:

well, xorg is showing 16.6% cpu right now after running all day. almost all of my memory is used (2gb mem) but swap is untouched (4gb)

[02:34:39]

lightning:

only 59mb free of mem

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cafuego:

lightning: Lots of ram used as buffer and cache, no doubt.

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cafuego:

You'll want to not have 4Gb swap though.

[02:35:04]

cafuego:

512Mb max!

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lightning:

Gokee2_Laptop: i dont recall, sorry

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cafuego:

Imagine a worst case, the system leaks memory and it actually uses 4Gb od swap – it'll be completely unrespinsive.

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lightning:

cafuego: old habit from early linux use before the kernel was improved for memory

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cafuego:

With less swap, oom-killer helps you out

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cafuego:

Notable exception being hibernating on laptops

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lightning:

Gokee2_Laptop: /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt ?

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lightning:

or /usr/etc...

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lightning:

curious if i left top in a shell on the 2nd monitor tonight what it would report

[02:38:09]

lightning:

any suggestions on where to go if i identify myth being the cause?

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cafuego:

Gokee2_Laptop: /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt or ~mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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Gokee2_Laptop:

Should I have a /usr/bin/mythbackend in my ps ax? I don`t... If I restart /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend is can not find one running yo stop

[02:39:17]

Gokee2_Laptop:

to*

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lightning:

just did uptime, load avg 1.81 2.4 2.22 top shows xorg, 2 ksysguard, and ksysguardd with 17.6, 5.0, 1.0 for cpu %

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lightning:

then do /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

[02:40:09]

lightning:

you should have an entry in your ps ax for all processes

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** cafuego would make ksysguard(d) be gone **

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lightning:

not even sure what ksysguard does

[02:40:45]

lightning:

guess i could research it :P

[02:40:53]

cafuego:

i think it tells you when apps crash

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mzb_d800:

lightning: open several ssh sessions, enable logging on frontend & backend, tail both AND have top in another session

[02:41:13]

Gokee2_Laptop:

lightning, It want stay started

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mzb_d800:

+++ tailing syslog (in another session) wouldn't hurt

[02:41:35]

mzb_d800:

+++ gkrellmd is *very* handy

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lightning:

Gokee2_Laptop: tail /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log for info, if mysql.txt is setup wrong or mysql is not running then you need to fix it

[02:41:49]

lightning:

if there is another prob it will tell you

[02:42:52]

lightning:

killed ksysguard, dont believe i need it. looking for where it starts from

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cafuego:

started by the kde session no doubt

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Gokee2_Laptop:

Hmm yes "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)"

[02:44:19]

tvless:

I've a problem with the dvd module. When I try to import a dvd I get a the screen that allows me to choose a video on the dvd disk. The right video is pre-chosen, but when I hit "0" I get a message that says "No jobs and nothing else to do. You could hit 0 to rip a DVD." No matter what selections I make it always says this.

[02:45:05]

lightning:

must be a bug in ksysguard. where in the hell is it starting from...

[02:45:16]

lightning:

uptime is below 1 now

[02:45:30]

tvless:

(It used to say something like "cannot connect to the transcoder" but I started "mtd -d" and that went away.)

[02:45:34]

jaqiefox:

if I was you I would uninstall KDE and use something slimmer for your PVR like xfce or something

[02:45:54]

lightning:

Gokee2_Laptop: validate your mysql.txt file, gotta figure out your mysql issue. if you have to, connect as the root user to mysql and set the password to something you know, etc

[02:46:10]

lightning:

jaqiefox: will after my wife stops using the computer for other things :)

[02:46:18]

lightning:

it's a shared comp

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jaqiefox:

ok. I dont like that whole shared use system idea nowadays, since you can get a good P3 1Ghz or so system complete for a few hundred

[02:46:52]

Gokee2_Laptop:

lightning, Ok now the mysql.txt file is fixed (from db name and wrong pass)

[02:46:54]

kazan:

backend is failing to record off a channel.. but it doesn't realize it.. isn't putting am essage out

[02:47:11]

Gokee2_Laptop:

mythtv is now running I will go try the frontend

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tvless:

Gokee2_Laptop : (I've used "su -" to first become the mythtv user and then used "mysql" to manually connect to the db to make sure the the password was right and the db running etc.)

[02:47:19]

lightning:

Gokee2_Laptop: then start the backend and continue on the setup, or whatever you were doing :)

[02:47:52]

lightning:

jaqiefox: ya, limited funds, brand new baby, etc. so we deal. think i found the problem though :)

[02:48:07]

jaqiefox:

ok. sorry im not much help but ive never ran a pvr before *shrug*

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Gokee2_Laptop:

lightning, Now if I do watchtv I get a blank screen instead of a connect error :/

[02:48:49]

lightning:

if it records shows, my wife is happy. i warn her that doing certain things may impact it's recording and she knows so she cant complain if a recording has a hickup :)

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lightning:

Gokee2_Laptop: everything in mythtv-setup done?

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lightning:

like setting up your card

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jaqiefox:

Gokee2_Laptop, that could be from a tuner misconfiguration. the tuner I have has no eeprom onboard to describe what tuner is in it so it has to be specified manually, not doing that results in the black screen thing

[02:49:28]

Gokee2_Laptop:

lightning, I think so I will go check again

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lightning:

i had a problem with mythtv giving a blank screen, problem was that the mythtv user has no permission to the capture card

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lightning:

other thought is turn on logging, see what the front or backend error about/report

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tvless:

I have a problem where it only shows the time and the little channel bar at the bottom and nothing happens. I've still not figured out live tv.

[02:51:00]

tvless:

What can I turn on or were do I go look at logs to see why my rip/transcode says "no jobs"?

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Gokee2_Laptop:

"2008-02–11 18:47:52.018 Unknown video codec 2008-02–11 18:47:52.021 Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and 2008-02–11 18:47:52.022 setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles." Anyone know what that means? Where is "Recording Profiles"?

[02:53:57]

tvless:

I've looked at /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend* (IIRC) and at what mytfrontend puts in the terminal and I don't see any thing that I can tell is a problem.

[02:55:26]

tvless:

Gokee2_Laptop : It's in mythfrontend in the settings in the tv settings.

[02:56:45]

Gokee2_Laptop:

Ah I found it now thanks (although I don`t know how it should be set

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mzb_d800:

cafuego: do you use dual-tuner PCI DVB-T? Can you recommend one available in .au?

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mzb_d800:

jhulst: does the M2NPV-VM also come with the SPDIF module?

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sphing:

is anyone running a kernel >= 2.6.22 and have success with firewire?

[03:01:23]

jhulst:

mzb_d800: No, but it's a standard header so you don't need to get it straight from Asus, any one will work

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mzb_d800:

ok ... not sure if there'll be enough room for it anyway

[03:02:27]

mzb_d800:

(or any customers who'll want it)

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jhulst:

mzb_d800: Are you looking at these for frontends only or a combined Frontend/Backend?

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mzb_d800:

only FE for stage 1

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mzb_d800:

I *may* use the same setup for combined FE+BE if I can keep the system cool enough in an ML02

[03:05:38]

mzb_d800:

(part of stage 1 testing will tell me that)

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jhulst:

mzb_d800: Just so you know, I don't have anything in the PCI slots other than a sound card, no reference of how that works

[03:05:52]

jhulst:

Mine is a FE only

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mzb_d800:

if not, the plan is to go for an X2 (not a BE) ($40 cheaper) and get a better heatsink (possibly passive) in a bigger case

[03:06:45]

mzb_d800:

jhulst: only planning on using 1 slot anyway (for combined unit) for dual tuner card

[03:07:18]

mzb_d800:

ie. planning on making at least two types of units: 1. FE only, 2. FE+BE

[03:07:30]

mzb_d800:

with possibility of 3. heavy duty BE

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jaqiefox:

is this for your own household use?

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mzb_d800:

(in the future, depending on demand0

[03:07:50]

mzb_d800:

not for my household, no

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jaqiefox:

ok.

[03:08:00]

mzb_d800:

(I'd prefer the $;)

[03:08:30]

mzb_d800:

this is for a friend who wants to sell them to his friends

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mzb_d800:

I'll probably end up with an FE-only unit for dev+testing

[03:08:51]

Gokee2_Laptop:

My laptop ran out of power

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jaqiefox:

WB

[03:09:46]

Gokee2_Laptop:

Now think its ok to start work on a remote frontend? I should be able to change the codecs from there right? (If I ever figure out what they should be)

[03:09:53]

jaqiefox:

mzb_d800, why not go for out of sight out of mind when doing multiple systems? you know, cheap ugly server in a closet with all the TV cards, and thin client style systems for the frontends?

[03:10:23]

mzb_d800:

:)

[03:10:24]

jaqiefox:

that will allow you to centralize the cards and conversion portion.

[03:10:41]

jaqiefox:

and in the end make multiple systems cheaper.

[03:10:46]

mzb_d800:

that's my current technique, except I have the FE's mounted under the floor ;)

[03:10:52]

jaqiefox:

ahh.

[03:11:18]

jaqiefox:

I heard you talking about space being tight and such so i thought you were trying to make them all small form factor and good looking

[03:11:22]

mzb_d800:

the idea is that "said customers" will probably only want a single unit (initially) with no extra wiring involved

[03:11:47]

jaqiefox:

ah.

[03:11:51]

mzb_d800:

yes, small, light, quiet, cool and BEAUTIFUL ;)

[03:12:09]

mzb_d800:

http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_cont . . . amp;area=usa

[03:12:15]

mzb_d800:

(in theory)

[03:12:22]

jaqiefox:

I know the silverstone cases quite well. they are alright.

[03:12:46]

mzb_d800:

however the AM2 HSF for that case is proving to be very difficult to track down

[03:12:52]

mzb_d800:

(35mm height max)

[03:13:00]

jaqiefox:

then craft one yourself.

[03:13:12]

jaqiefox:

are you using a low TDP processor for the systems?

[03:13:18]

mzb_d800:

BE-2350

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tvless:

mzb_d800 : I'm never going to get that url written down. What's the name of the case?

[03:13:25]

mzb_d800:

ML02

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tvless:

mzb_d800 : Thanks.

[03:13:52]

mzb_d800:

I could ... if I wanted passive only, the extra work, etc ... but I wan't a bought solution (customer pays;))

[03:14:08]

mzb_d800:

if it was just for me I wouldn't care

[03:14:25]

jaqiefox:

I meant converting one meant for another socket yourself

[03:14:25]

mzb_d800:

a big block of aluminium would be fine :))

[03:14:31]

tvless:

I found out why my dvd won't rip/transcode. The general video settings are set to save the dvd in a directory that does not exist. (It'd sure be nice if there were better error messages.)

[03:14:42]

jaqiefox:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150029 I have used this in many, many projects and it is compatible with 1u cases.

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Hoochster:

GreyFoxx, were ya able to take time and see if u can duplicate the smb thing

[03:15:13]

mzb_d800:

ah .. hmm ... yes had thought about that, but I've never seen Core2Duo (755?) _OR_ Am2 socket ... so I don't know the difference

[03:15:33]

mzb_d800:

hence stage 1a is all about finding out what I can do, and what I can get away with (size & heat)

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jaqiefox:

am2 is very similar to s939 which I have several of.

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mzb_d800:

prior to final decision on case

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mzb_d800:

ok ... I have 1x s939

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mzb_d800:

either way, I've been unable to find a passive HS < 35mm

[03:16:20]

mzb_d800:

(in .au)

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jaqiefox:

basically am2, s939, and lga775 are all collar-tab type, a collar screwed to mobo with mounting tabs and a cpu in the center with a metal heatspreader to keep the core from being crushed

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mzb_d800:

ok

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jaqiefox:

well check that masscool I showed you... you could 7 volt it and it would be near silent

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mzb_d800:

ok, thanks

[03:17:05]

jaqiefox:

which is why I asked if you used low TDP processors.

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mzb_d800:

(ripping fan off might be ok for BE series, I hope;)

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jaqiefox:

if you get a cpu which is say 30w TDP then you would be able to use that easily with a bit of mounting bracket modding

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... no masscool products in .au

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mzb_d800:

freight from US would kill

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jaqiefox:

it is a rebrand

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mzb_d800:

ok

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jaqiefox:

speeze and masscool are the same stuff, so are many other brands.

[03:19:39]

mzb_d800:

no AM2 <45W afaik ... iirc all the 35W versions were bought out by oem's before reaching retail

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jaqiefox:

I have a s939 that was 30w TDP and I know there are low TDP AM2 CPUs

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mzb_d800:

jaqiefox: that's all very well, but I still can't find something equivalent here

[03:20:39]

jaqiefox:

its just not advertised. you would have to find out which cores are low tdp

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mzb_d800:

afaik BE series is lowest TDP for AM2

[03:21:02]

jaqiefox:

for example, venice core is s939 low tdp, but nowhere when you buy one does it expound them as low tdp

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mzb_d800:

I have s939 venice 3200+, wasn't aware of low tdp

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jaqiefox:

ok found one, I know theres more. ASI SKU is 49956, its an AM2 a64 single core 2.2Ghz

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jaqiefox:

my venice core is either 25w or 30w tdp, cant remember which. it is a 3200+ as well, 2.2Ghz

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tvless:

I don't suppose there's any way to get myth to rip in the background while I do something else?

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jaqiefox:

tvless, there's definitely a way, but I have no idea what it is or how much coding you may have to do to get it

[03:26:15]

tvless:

jaqiefox : Ah, ye-olde "computers can do anything" problem. ;-)

[03:26:17]

jaqiefox:

off the top of my head you could make a quick and dirty shell script to do it

[03:26:22]

mzb_d800:

http://www.asisupport.com/ts_amd_am2.htm

[03:26:46]

jaqiefox:

no, tvless, the olde whoever has access to source code can do anything.

[03:27:16]

jaqiefox:

mzb_d800, thats the page I quoted the ASI SKU from ;)

[03:27:30]

mzb_d800:

:)

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jaqiefox:

Hm do they have semprons that are am2? semprons seem to be 35W TDP usually

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mzb_d800:

yes

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mzb_d800:

as I said, I've read stories that the 35W AM2 were favoured by OEMs and hard to come by

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jaqiefox:

found a nice list and all semprons *SEEM* to have a 35W TDP

[03:30:06]

mzb_d800:

can't find any in .au

[03:30:11]

jaqiefox:

well you could always go to s939

[03:30:18]

jaqiefox:

which in OZ would be a good idea anyway

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mzb_d800:

no ... need to stick with that mobo

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jaqiefox:

k

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jaqiefox:

which mobo, you going with mini ITX, micro ATX or what?

[03:30:52]

mzb_d800:

(TVout module)

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mzb_d800:

Asus M2NPV-VM

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jaqiefox:

ick. asus.

[03:31:21]

mzb_d800:

I don't have a problem with Asus

[03:31:48]

mzb_d800:

only board I could find with onboard nVidia AND TV out

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jaqiefox:

find local or find at all?

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mzb_d800:

uATX

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mzb_d800:

can't find 35W in .au

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mzb_d800:

pref dual core

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mzb_d800:

so 45W is ok

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jaqiefox:

(FYI my best friend lives in OZ so im a bit more familiar with your situation then most americans would be)

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mzb_d800:

:)

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jaqiefox:

Ah, alright.

[03:32:53]

mzb_d800:

a lot better than 65W, anyway ;)

[03:33:00]

jaqiefox:

that HSF I showed you can handle 45W barely wen 7 volted.

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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jaqiefox:

with good case ventillation that is.

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cafuego:

jaqiefox: You mean you can point at Australia on a map? ;-)

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mzb_d800:

if I could find an HSF where the HS was <35mm I'd be tempted to go passive

[03:33:56]

mzb_d800:

but either way, can't find something small (and quiet)

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tvless:

jaqiefox : It already does rip and do something else. Just hit escape and then, well, do something else.

[03:34:07]

jaqiefox:

I mean I know how the computer industry there is a couple years behind USA's, and how their bandwidth is metered and sold with limits as opposed to usa

[03:34:08]

mzb_d800:

had a look at 1U server units, but same boat

[03:34:48]

jaqiefox:

mzb_d800, what kind of TV out are you after? composite? svideo?

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cafuego:

jaqiefox: Oh no, we perhaps have a slightly smaller range in electronics, but we're no more than a month or so behind in availability afaik.

[03:34:53]

jaqiefox:

on the mobo I mean

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tvless:

jaqiefox : (Don't worry, the USA will catch up with OZ and meter and filter bandwidth soon.) :-P

[03:35:11]

mzb_d800:

jaqiefox: ability to do both

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jaqiefox:

tvless, erm metering no but filtering is happening very soon

[03:35:23]

jaqiefox:

ok mzb_d800

[03:36:11]

tvless:

jaqiefox : Comcast wants to block ptp, and there's FCC comments accepted now. Write if you don't like the idea.

[03:36:17]

jaqiefox:

theres a serious legal battle happening now, about content prioritizing and the common carrier status laws.

[03:36:21]

jaqiefox:

I know.

[03:36:51]

tvless:

jaqiefox : Or support Obama, who seems to have a sane policy in that regard.

[03:37:10]

jaqiefox:

I dont support anyone not worth voting for. so far Ive not had to vote once.

[03:37:38]

tvless:

jaqiefox : Vote against.

[03:37:59]

jaqiefox:

misnomer. I cant write in "none of the above" and have it counted as such.

[03:38:19]

tvless:

jaqiefox :) Write yourself in. ;)

[03:38:26]

jaqiefox:

again it wont count.

[03:39:55]

cafuego:

You should start by voting for whichever candiate supports getting rid of that rediculous voting system you lot have <heh>

[03:41:11]

** cafuego cough politely and stops going further off-topic **

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

mandatory voting a violation of their civil rights? ;))

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** mzb_d800 shuts up **

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tvless:

Okayyy. So, now I've ripped two video files. I go to "watch videos" and it says "No files found". What am I doing wrong now?

[03:45:42]

cafuego:

mzb_d800: Not so much that as the whole two-party system and indirect voting

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mzb_d800:

ah

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cafuego:

May as well be soviet russia ;-)

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mzb_d800:

cafuego: do you have dual dvb-t tuners? (or knowledge of?)

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tvless:

What am I expected to do to watch the dvd I ripped?

[03:46:43]

iamlindoro_:

tvless: probably failing to go to the video manager to scan for videos first...

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cafuego:

mzb_d800: I have a dual-tuner card

[03:47:03]

iamlindoro_:

Utilities/Setup->Video Manager

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tvless:

iamlindoro: Thanks. I'll give it a try.

[03:48:02]

iamlindoro_:

once you've entered video manager, presuming you have it set to the correct directory, you should be able to see your video in the list... then you can search IMDB for it, or simply back out and go to watch videos and see it

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Bolly:

hey i have a couple of issues using mythtv as a media center

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tvless:

imlindoro: Ok. That works. I now see the video's in the list. Do I have to do this every time I rip something? (Go into the video manager?) That seems a bit lame. What am I missing?

[03:49:27]

Bolly:

for some reason when i am using mythtv and copying new videos to it it messes up live tv

[03:49:38]

Bolly:

i am not sure why, this hardware doesn't do that when i am running windows on it and doing the same thing

[03:49:45]

iamlindoro_:

tvless: You're not missing anything. When you rip video or copy in a file, you go to the video manager to add it

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jaqiefox:

"messes up" meaning?

[03:50:03]

Bolly:

the image on screen shows weird lines and it clicks and makes a strange noise out of my speaker

[03:50:10]

Bolly:

when the copying stops the stream returns to normal

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Bolly:

oops wrong key combo

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tvless:

imlinkdoro: I'm missing why I'd want to have to do the extra step. Why wouldn't it presume I want to access the file once I've ripped it? What else would I do with it that I wouldn't want to add it?

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califdreas:

does anyone here have a wintv hvr-1600? I am trying to find out if I can get ATSC or QAM with it.

[03:51:53]

iamlindoro_:

tvless: files don't add themselves to the database...

[03:52:10]

jaqiefox:

I think tvless is asking why there isn't some automatic add feature.

[03:52:20]

iamlindoro_:

tvless: You can set it to work in file browser mode, but then you lose the ability to have metadata (posters, plot info, etc)

[03:52:23]

tvless:

Yes. Why not? Why would that be bad?

[03:52:26]

mzb_d800:

cafuego: which brand+model? (if you don't mind me asking)

[03:52:27]

iamlindoro_:

jaqiefox: And there is none

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iamlindoro_:

tvless: code away, partner

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tvless:

imlindoro: Ah. Ok. (Eventually I will. First I must make wife happy.)

[03:53:14]

jaqiefox:

well if there is a console command to do it it would be possible to just cron it.

[03:53:20]

iamlindoro_:

there isn't.

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jaqiefox:

that seems...shortsighted.

[03:53:37]

iamlindoro_:

you can code away too.

[03:53:44]

jaqiefox:

I could if I could program.

[03:53:48]

iamlindoro_:

first person to the solution they complain about wins respect!

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jaqiefox:

complain? I tried to help since I got here, I havent even asked the question I came here with yet. I'd say you are the one that needs to win respect.

[03:54:48]

Bolly:

so no advice on the clicking noise/weird stream?

[03:55:07]

iamlindoro_:

jaqiefox: I'm fairly certain the many hundreds of questions I've answered here, and that's conservative, have long since earned me the respect of the people who matter in here.

[03:55:10]

tvless:

imlindoro: I win. (Why rip/transcode always says "no jobs")

[03:55:18]

tvless:

imlindoro;)

[03:55:27]

jaqiefox:

Bolly, it is possible that windows either accesses the hardware differently or slows down file transfers causing interference to be below the visible threshold

[03:55:47]

Bolly:

no it works fine in windows just not linux

[03:56:04]

jaqiefox:

iamlindoro_ whatever. the first thing I see you doing is bashing me for trying to help someone.

[03:56:04]

Bolly:

something to do with a driver?

[03:56:17]

Bolly:

or kernel module, whatever you crazy kids are calling them these days

[03:56:26]

iamlindoro_:

jaqiefox: When/where did I bash you?

[03:56:40]

jaqiefox:

<jaqiefox> that seems...shortsighted.

[03:56:40]

jaqiefox:

<iamlindoro_> you can code away too.

[03:57:04]

iamlindoro_:

Funny, that doesn't look like trying to help anyone, looks like useless bitching to me

[03:57:14]

iamlindoro_:

and the uselessness continues...

[03:57:22]

tvless:

Bolly: Possibly. You might look at your /var/log/X* log and see if the X driver is what you expect/happy with the frame rate/etc/etc.

[03:58:05]

jaqiefox:

obviously you have some sort of issue with me. keep it out of the channel mmkay?

[03:58:11]

tvless:

Bolly : I had some messages in mine that said why my frame rate was slow. (Something not enabled. I forget.)

[03:58:16]

Bolly:

(**) RADEON(0): RADEONSaveScreen(2)

[03:58:21]

Bolly:

i have a frig load of that but that's about it

[03:58:28]

iamlindoro_:

jaqiefox: I think I'll keep talking and generally making fun of you until you stop talking.

[03:58:37]

iamlindoro_:

jaqiefox: So be the big man... stop talking!

[03:58:40]

jaqiefox:

heh making fun of me. you even admit to trolling?

[03:58:57]

iamlindoro_:

Oh, not trolling, just teasing the little ones

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mzb_d800:

jaqiefox: nice if I could find this for AM2 ;) :: http://www.spirecoolers.com/main/product_detail.asp?ProdID=253

[03:59:21]

mzb_d800:

come on kids, play nice or I'll take your toys away ;)

[03:59:27]

jaqiefox:

and this is the exact reason I dont even come into irc. men cant stand a woman that knows tech.

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iamlindoro_:

Hehe

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tvless:

imlindoro : IMO that was less than productive.

[04:00:22]

iamlindoro_:

Productive and funny and two entirely different things

[04:01:06]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, back to business

[04:01:47]

iamlindoro_:

Bolly: It might help to tweak PCI latency

[04:01:49]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_Latency

[04:02:10]

iamlindoro_:

Bolly: 'course, it may also just be that ATI is an evil bitch goddess

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Bolly:

lol

[04:03:09]

Bolly:

possibly :)

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Bolly:

when you are watching tv

[04:03:28]

sphing:

does anyone know why firewire is so unstable? is it linux or the cable box?

[04:03:28]

Bolly:

it is really watching a file isn't it?

[04:03:34]

sshirley:

i have an interesting problem with viewing videos. when i go to load it up, all the screen says is "loading..." plus the title. i can hear the sound of the video file but it says on the same loading screen. most of my files are .avis

[04:03:43]

iamlindoro_:

Bolly: Yes

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Bolly:

where is that file normally? cause i have an IDE drive in there too and i'm just wondering if i should move that drive to a sata disk

[04:04:03]

Bolly:

that folder rather

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iamlindoro_:

Bolly: But when you're recording and watching, you're still using both the video card and the capture card

[04:04:16]

iamlindoro_:

Bolly: That's entirely set by you in mythtv-setup

[04:04:39]

Bolly:

lemme just run through that and check cause maybe that's my problem?

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iamlindoro_:

It is profoundly unlikely that it have anything to do with your disk

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Bolly:

the card is writing to the same drive that is being read from

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Bolly:

oh ok

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iamlindoro_:

recording TV is a fairly minute amount of data as far as most drives are concerned

[04:04:57]

Bolly:

i won't bother looking at that then :-)

[04:05:01]

iamlindoro_:

but anything possible, I suppose

[04:05:17]

Bolly:

it's ok i'd rather spend my time looking at something far more likely

[04:05:20]

iamlindoro_:

It never hurts to look, it just wouldn't be my first guess

[04:05:36]

Bolly:

i'll change the pci latency then

[04:05:45]

clever[rev]:

Syntax error on line 129 of /etc/apache2/conf.d/mythweb.conf.apache:

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clever[rev]:

Invalid command 'RewriteEngine', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration

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iamlindoro_:

clever[rev]: kind looks like mod_rewrite isn't installed/enabled

[04:06:23]

Bolly:

my graphics card latency is set to '32'

[04:06:29]

clever[rev]:

fixed

[04:06:40]

clever[rev]:

wasnt in the mods-enabled folder

[04:06:45]

clever[rev]:

just needed a symlink

[04:06:56]

tvless:

Okayy. So now I see the videos in the video section, but I can't watch them on my front-end because it appears that the frontend is not privy to the backends filesystem. This seems less than client-server. What's the right thing to do to be able to watch video on the front-end (which is a different box)?

[04:07:11]

iamlindoro_:

tvless: NFS or SAMBA mounts

[04:07:19]

iamlindoro_:

tvless: Myth only streams TV right now

[04:07:26]

clever[rev]:

iamlindoro_: only half fixed

[04:07:33]

clever[rev]:

ahh forgot to fully edit the conf

[04:07:39]

sshirley:

strange. i can watch tv, but not videos.

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tvless:

imlindoro : Does it stream recorded tv as well as live tv?

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iamlindoro_:

tvless: yes

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clever[rev]:

doing something now

[04:08:32]

clever[rev]:

php mysql libs mising!

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clever[rev]:

php5-mysql installed and apache reloaded but the error persists

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clever[rev]:

error connecting to backend:)

[04:11:11]

sshirley:

could it be the player that i am using?

[04:11:20]

** clever[rev] adds a route **

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mzb_d800:

ah well ... I guess I'll have to wait and see what the TDP is like, and possibly hacksaw the top off the stock HS to see what it's like

[04:12:01]

tvless:

Is NFS recommended over SAMBA for performance, or vice versa?

[04:12:12]

Bolly:

hmm changing the latency timer to 64 has just made it really really slow

[04:12:32]

iamlindoro_:

tvless: NFS performance is better

[04:12:49]

cafuego:

tvless: NFS performance is better provided you have less cpu cores and not many clients.

[04:13:12]

sphing:

i like NFS cause I can reboot the server without a problem

[04:13:24]

tvless:

cafuego : Fewer cores on the client or the server?

[04:13:59]

cafuego:

tvless: on the server

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clever[rev]:

css files didnt load

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mzb_d800:

cafuego: what'd the model of your dual-tuner?

[04:14:15]

tvless:

I like NFS because I can figure out the configuration, without knowing which versions of what MS boxes will be on the network.

[04:14:18]

sphing:

cafuego, what do the number of cores have to do with it?

[04:14:21]

cafuego:

mzb_d800: DViCO Fusion Dual Digital 4

[04:14:30]

mzb_d800:

ah, ok thanks

[04:14:35]

cafuego:

sphing: On linux, interesting, quite a lot it seems :-)

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mzb_d800:

drivers in kernel yet?

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clever[rev]:

horidly slow but it works:)

[04:14:45]

mzb_d800:

or hand patching required?

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cafuego:

mzb_d800: no, v4l-dvb experimental (I run 'em from a 3rd party src tree)

[04:15:14]

sphing:

cafuego: was that sarcastic and I missed it?

[04:15:17]

mzb_d800:

ok

[04:15:36]

cafuego:

sphing: no, no sarcasm. On linux, having more cores makes NFS be slower.

[04:15:59]

sphing:

o, really wow... thats interesting....

[04:15:59]

cafuego:

sphing: Google 'making nfs suck faster' – talk @ lca2007 by Greg banks.

[04:16:09]

cafuego:

there is video and everything

[04:16:16]

sphing:

haha wow, yea I will.

[04:16:34]

cafuego:

there's a follow-up talk at lca2008

[04:17:00]

cafuego:

mzb_d800: ... but it works fine, including the remote control.

[04:17:26]

mzb_d800:

nice

[04:17:37]

sphing:

anyone got have a working dct6200 via firewire?

[04:17:48]

cafuego:

sphing: http://linux.conf.au/programme/friday 1:30pm in Copland

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mzb_d800:

Greg's punchline was "sync on server, async on client" fwiw

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clever[rev]:

aha!

[04:17:59]

clever[rev]:

every css and js file is error 500'ing

[04:18:10]

clever[rev]:

internal server errors all over!

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cafuego:

sphing: and http://linux.org.au/conf/2007/talk/41.html

[04:18:58]

sphing:

excellent, I'll check it out

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[04:19:19]

clever[rev]:

any1 know why id have error 500's?

[04:19:27]

clever[rev]:

its making mythweb nearly brain dead

[04:19:30]

cafuego:

clever[rev]: Your apache's error_log would

[04:19:46]

clever[rev]:

ahh yeah

[04:19:48]

clever[rev]:

didnt think of that

[04:19:59]

clever[rev]:

[Tue Feb 12 00:18:54 2008] [alert] [client 127.0.0.1] /var/www/mythweb/skins/default/.htaccess: Invalid command 'Header', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration

[04:20:09]

cafuego:

Tadah

[04:20:30]

clever[rev]:

Header set Cache-Control "max-age=172800, public"

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clever[rev]:

somehow the cache control headers are killing everything

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vontrapp:

strange strange problem

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clever[rev]:

yeah

[04:21:54]

vontrapp:

mythfilldatabase runs daily but always says "ran but no new data inserted"

[04:21:57]

vontrapp:

or something like that

[04:22:09]

vontrapp:

i have a cron job run it every morning, same deal

[04:22:27]

vontrapp:

only when i log into the computer and manually run it does it actually insert new info

[04:23:35]

iamlindoro_:

vontrapp: depending on what version you are running, the backend will actually run mythfilldatabase... Your cron'ed version is probably superfluous

[04:24:05]

vontrapp:

i added the cron version after i observed that although mythtv ran it, it didn't actually insert anything

[04:24:14]

vontrapp:

but alas, the cron didn't insert anything either

[04:24:35]

iamlindoro_:

Have you actually experienced it running out of data?

[04:24:49]

vontrapp:

so it'll be a few days, then i'll go "how long has it been"

[04:25:01]

vontrapp:

and i'll check the status, sometimes i have as low as 9 days of data

[04:25:09]

vontrapp:

when i run it manually i go up to 14 days

[04:25:32]

vontrapp:

and then the status informs me it ran AND inserted data

[04:25:56]

vontrapp:

i don't know why it should be different depending on if it actually has a shell

[04:28:26]

clever[rev]:

now it works like normal

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sphing:

vontrapp, have you tried piping the output somewhere...

[04:28:43]

clever[rev]:

except for the speed which is my method of connecting things up

[04:28:43]

atrus:

omg

[04:28:53]

atrus:

flash player works. that is so cool.

[04:29:11]

sphing:

vontrapp, I've seen something similar, if the cron writes to stdout, itll block

[04:29:21]

sphing:

(assuming there is no stdout)

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iamlindoro_:

vontrapp: When the backend runs mythfilldatabase, it will dump the info into the log... you should see what it's doing then

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vontrapp:

i'll try redirecting stdout

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sphing:

and err

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sphing:

stderr, both are blocking calls

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mzb:

vontrapp: get the backend to run it, and add a log option

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sphing:

does anyone have a stable dct6200 setup?

[04:35:20]

mzb:

running it manually won't (necessarily) show the error

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iamlindoro_:

sphing: Mine is a 3200, but yes, it's stable, and many people have stable 6200s as well

[04:35:49]

iamlindoro_:

what is it that's unstable about your setup?

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sphing:

what is your firewire chipset?

[04:36:32]

iamlindoro_:

Answer my question and I'll answer yours ;)

[04:36:40]

sphing:

fair enough...

[04:37:02]

sphing:

its unstable... so i have the via chipset which apparently makes the cb jump nodes

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sphing:

but sometimes it just stops working

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iamlindoro_:

Hmm, interesting. My chipset is a Texas Instruments TSB43AB22/A

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iamlindoro_:

sphing: Sure your issue isn't related to the program being 5C'ed?

[04:37:52]

sphing:

that was my next question

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sphing:

I tried the food channel

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iamlindoro_:

what most people don't realize is that 5C is per-program, rather than per-channel

[04:38:02]

sphing:

and then it went crazy

[04:38:19]

sphing:

wow... I didn't know that... its taken my almost 3 hours to recover

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iamlindoro_:

sphing: *if* it's because of 5C, there are two quick ways to recover from a failed tune

[04:39:12]

iamlindoro_:

(and fyi, what I usually see when it is is that it just sits there at a black screen until it times out and either crashes or dumps back to the menu)

[04:39:20]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, my two fixes when that's the case are:

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sphing:

thats exactly what I had

[04:39:59]

iamlindoro_:

going to mythweb and starting a recording on another channel that's a "known good." Then it tunes the channel without first trying to tune the 5C'ed channel.

[04:40:32]

iamlindoro_:

That's the easier one. The more painful one is stopping the backend, changing the "start on" channel to a known good, and restarting the backend

[04:40:49]

sphing:

hmm, I don't think that worked for me, I manually updated the db to a known good channel and didn't fix it

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iamlindoro_:

sphing: You may have just put yourself on another 5C'ed program, sort of tought to tell. Also, if you're running .20.2, firewire tuning has improved a little bit since then. Not a whole tone, but somewhat

[04:41:42]

iamlindoro_:

er tough

[04:42:20]

iamlindoro_:

and ton

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sphing:

0.20.20070821–1

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iamlindoro_:

yup, that's .20.2

[04:43:05]

sphing:

so I had to hard reset the cable box

[04:43:19]

sphing:

then prime it...

[04:43:31]

sphing:

let me tune to a 5C

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, not saying it's *not* the box, just that there could be a number of factors... also some things that helped me were switching to broadcast mode instead of P2P, and cranking the speed up to 400 Mbit

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sphing:

mine is always in broadcast, I can't get it working with -2-

[04:44:32]

sphing:

err, p2p

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sphing:

2008-02–11 20:42:48.940 FireRec, Error: TS packet out of sync.

[04:44:49]

sphing:

from espn

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, I also heard something about fedora needing some firewire driver tweaks to work properly recently, any chance you're running a fedora based distro?

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sphing:

nope, gentoo

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sphing:

you're right, espn is apparently 5C, I flipped to channel 3 (sd) and it recovered

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sphing:

would you have to happen to have a script that checks if the firewire is primed and emails u if it fails?

[04:47:56]

sphing:

or someway to tell that mythtv would be able to record the next show

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iamlindoro_:

sphing: I can't speak for .20.2 (my firewire setup has been added since) but in SVN in generally recovers after a 5C'd record attempt... so long as the backend tunes and you don't try to watch live TV

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sphing:

I'll never use live TV so thats good

[04:49:59]

iamlindoro_:

sphing: I can't suggest a great solution but .21 *will* be out very very shortly

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iamlindoro_:

and there's a chance it will set this right

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sphing:

hmm, ok but now that I understand it... I can work around it

[04:50:36]

sphing:

thanks for your help

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iamlindoro_:

I mostly leave mine alone and when a record fails (usually when I try to record off of HBO HD during the weekend) it gets the next one pretty reliably

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iamlindoro_:

no problem

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sphing:

now I just need the node to auto update

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sphing:

on reboot

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iamlindoro_:

should be fairly easy to grep it out of plugreport

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sphing:

yuh, simple perl script should do it

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clever[rev]:

now i remember why i never repaired mythweb!

[05:01:03]

clever[rev]:

it causes my master backend to suck cpu

[05:01:15]

iamlindoro_:

clever[rev]: That's fairly easily fixed

[05:01:43]

iamlindoro_:

It's caused when you go to recorded programs, just needs one line commented out

[05:01:44]

clever[rev]:

the cpu usage keeps sucking for hours after i touch mythweb

[05:01:51]

clever[rev]:

yep that page

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clever[rev]:

which line and why hasnt it been comited:P

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iamlindoro_:

mythweb/modules/tv/includes/objects/Program.php on line 487

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iamlindoro_:

/ $this->generate_preview_pixmap($width, $height, $secs_in);

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iamlindoro_:

er //

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kazan:

what is the ffmpeg command to get ffmpeg to tell you what codec was used in an avi?

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iamlindoro_:

to comment it out

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iamlindoro_:

ffmpeg -i infile

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clever[rev]:

i know how to comment in php:P

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iamlindoro_:

clever[rev]: because it disables preview generation

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clever[rev]:

ahhh

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iamlindoro_:

clever[rev]: two slashes //

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clever[rev]:

so it doesnt realy fix it:P

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clever[rev]:

it just keeps it from happening

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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iamlindoro_:

but at least renders mythweb usable

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clever[rev]:

if ($ret == 'BAD') {

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kazan:

mpeg4

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kazan:

xvid

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clever[rev]:

thats line 487...

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iamlindoro_:

clever[rev]: just comment out the line I pasted

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clever[rev]:

yeah i found it about 10 lines down

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kazan:

420p... looks suprisingly better than 480i.. didn't really think there was that much difference.. but DAMMMN

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clever[rev]:

just need to restart the master now

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rick_:

evening

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rick_:

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rick_:

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rick_:

I cant seem to get audio working when I use my pvr350 for display

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rick_:

it works fine when I use onboard video for output, just no audio when i switch to the pvr for output

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CCFL_Man2:

here is a shame

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CCFL_Man2:

in the US, no way to get music choice except on cable

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psm321:

is there any easy way to fix my db if i just accidentally ran mythfilldatabase without --remove-new-channels (on a multi-tuner setup where one set of tuners can tune less channels than another)?

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edman007:

i can't change channels and i get this in dmesg when i try 'tuner 0–0061: Tuner has no way to set tv freq', does anyone know how to fix this (i recently upgraded the kernel to 2.6.24.2 and upgraded the firmware)

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edman007:

i have a PVR-150

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Gumby:

hello all. I am trying to compile mythtv on Ubuntu Hardy and I the compile fails. I have pasted the last bit of output before the failure here http://pastebin.ca/900843 Could anyone possibly suggest what is wrong (other than the fact I am using Hardy).

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Gumby:

edman007: did you recompile ivtv?

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Gumby:

might be the issue

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edman007:

Gumby, its in the mainline kernel, i recompiled the kernel, and that included ivtv...

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edman007:

i also see this http://pastebin.ca/900845 and i have all the tuners enabled in the kernel config so i don't know what it means it is disabled in Kconfig

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Gumby:

no idea then. sorry

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edman007:

well at least its stuck on HBO :/

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tjcarter:

so just wondering, has anyone played with bias lighting?

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edman007:

bias lighting?

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tjcarter:

light behind your screen

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tjcarter:

preferably same temperature as your screen

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tjcarter:

makes blacks blacker, colors sharper, etc

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edman007:

nope, i never did that...

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CCFL_Man2:

anyone use dvbshout?

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tjcarter:

edman007: apparently you can do it on the cheap because those 9 watt bulbs are 6500K

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Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Sounds like a load of crap to me. ;)

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mzb_d800:

tjcarter: I've been using backlights for years ... a 25W incandescent plugged into the switched output on the receiver ;))

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mzb_d800:

(better for the eyes)

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mzb_d800:

not sure if it improves picture, but much better for eyestrain ... and means you can still navigate an otherwise dark room ;)

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tjcarter:

mzb_d800: I'm considering LED solution

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tjcarter:

not proper 6500K probably

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tjcarter:

but who uses 6500K if they know how to adjust color temp?

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mzb_d800:

meh ... 50 cents for an expensive 25W bulb ... easy ;)

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mzb_d800:

I think you'd need "iceberg white" walls to tell the difference ;)

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tjcarter:

I'm interested in the LED solution for heat reasons

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edman007:

tjcarter, LEDs are much much more sensitive to heat, while they put off less a larger one (5W) needs a decent heatsink

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astyler:

anyone know if the innovage giant univ. remote is compatible with linux/lirc?

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astyler:

(its on woot.com)

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astyler:

blech apparently they're no good

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Dagmar:

You have strange taste in remotes

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astyler:

:D

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Dagmar:

They're freaking massive.

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astyler:

5 x 11 x 0.75 inches

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astyler:

i couldnt physically lose those

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Dagmar:

I just clean up every once in awhile.

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** Dagmar shrugs. **

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Dagmar:

I got a big glass table in front of my couch.

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Dagmar:

It's a little hard to lose one of the few things on it.

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astyler:

yeah

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Hoxzer:

:) The best way to avoid losing remotes is to buy more than one

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astyler:

my couch has nothing in front of it

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astyler:

i have a table behind it but its loaded with books

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Dagmar:

I also have a useful color scheme.

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Dagmar:

The couch is black.

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Dagmar:

The carpet is black.

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Dagmar:

The remote is bright silver.

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astyler:

black carpet? blech!

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astyler:

my color scheme is: affordable

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Dagmar:

After this weekend, my Roomba will be black.

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astyler:

nice, custom paint job?

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Dagmar:

Of course.

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astyler:

i have to ask, no offense intended

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astyler:

are you gothic or emo?

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Dagmar:

Sociopathic.

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astyler:

good answer.

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Dagmar:

..and black is easy to color-coordinate.

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astyler:

(family fued enthusiasm)

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astyler:

indeed it is

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astyler:

i like the look of black against lighter woods

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Dagmar:

Enh the apartmnet has a light hardwood floor..

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astyler:

i dream of hardwood floors

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astyler:

i have old, pink, stained carpet

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astyler:

go go student housing

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Dagmar:

Sounds like you need some cheap area rugs

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Dagmar:

Go go Target

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astyler:

hmm

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astyler:

well, im graduating in may

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astyler:

if I return here for grad school there's a nicer house i've got my eye on

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astyler:

with hardwood floors, less rent

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DGnome:

Hmmm, how should I debug "NVP: prebuffering pause" messages when playing slice based h.264 content with threaded decoding?

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Dagmar:

Even more reason to get some area rugs. :)

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Tanthrix:

About how long would you expect it to take to DD one 80 gig IDE drive onto another?

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Dagmar:

Probably an hour or more

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Dagmar:

80Gb is a lot of stuff

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Tanthrix:

Hrm. It's been about 1.7 now.

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Tanthrix:

Just worried that it's stuck or something.

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Know of any quick and easy way that I could figure out how much IO was going on over the drives?

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Dagmar:

Not sure... Hmm...

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Tanthrix:

Just finished, excellent.

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Tanthrix:

9.1 MB/s. Ugh.

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doc__:

hi there

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zegita:

when i launch mythtv setup it says prescaling images. when finished it only shows the background with mythtv written vertically in the left side of the screen. when i hit enter it goes out and asks if i want to run mythfill. anybody knows how i can solve this?

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rooaus:

zegita: Do you have msttcorefonts installed?

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Gokee2:

Yay I at last have mythtv working! :) Only problem is it looks horrible. I am gusing its just a bad Recording profile setting

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Gokee2:

Yep changed it from 480 to 704 and now it looks much better

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** Tanthrix is not nearly as amused with Arch Linux now that attempting to do a full update has entirely hosed his system **

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zegita:

rooaus: i dont know

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rooaus:

zegita: What distro are you using?

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zegita:

ubuntu

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zegita:

rooaus: when i press enter it goes out of it so i not so sure about that it is because of the font.

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rooaus:

"apt-cache policy msttcorefonts" will tell you what version is installed (if any). If needed you can install it with "apt-get install msttcorefonts".

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rooaus:

zegita: ^^^

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zegita:

ok ill trie

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zegita:

version 2.2

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rooaus:

Is that the installed version or the available version?

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zegita:

installed

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rooaus:

Oh, the missing corefonts is the usual problem when there are no menus.

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zegita:

in mythtv its showing, but its only in the setup. and when i press eenter it goes out. pretty weird

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zegita:

i cant even do the most important part, the setup. damnit.

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rooaus:

zegita: Ah, mythtv-setup is a wrapper around the real mythtv-setup I believe... make sure the backend is stopped and try "mythtv-setup.real"

[09:54:53]

zegita:

mythtv-setup.real: where?

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rooaus:

From a terminal

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zegita:

"segmentation fault (core dumped)"

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zegita:

what does that mean?

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zegita:

ill paste it in pastebin so you can take a look. there are some errors

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rooaus:

zegita: Was just about to suggest that :)

[09:59:49]

zegita:

http://pastebin.com/m6081c310

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rooaus:

zegita: Interesting, looks like you are using a 0.20 binary package. I think lines 13/14 relate to not finding a running lircd as reported in line 15. I think your real problem is a theme one, I think line 19 is the one to fix.

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zegita:

what about it.

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zegita:

what do i have to do?

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rooaus:

zegita: How did you install? I would try reinstalling the themes if you can.

[10:09:52]

zegita:

i followed some kind of guide. cant remember which one. how do i reinstall themes?

[10:11:31]

Gokee2:

Can I use a newer mythfrontend with a older backend?

[10:12:03]

Gokee2:

In other words is there any way to not let it upgrade the database but still watch tv?

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zegita:

rooaus?

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rooaus:

zegita: Try "apt-get install mythtv-themes" if using the the standard ubuntu packages.

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justinh:

rooaus: just looked in the log – caught my attention with the word 'theme' :P

[10:17:13]

justinh:

G.A.N.T shouldn't be having a problem like that

[10:17:34]

rooaus:

justinh: No need to worry, I think it is a packaging/install problem. :)

[10:17:46]

justinh:

oh I'm not worried :D

[10:18:30]

justinh:

maybe a trunk theme made it into a -fixes package by mistake

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zegita:

i did it and it didnt do anything because it says that it is the newest version

[10:18:44]

rooaus:

lol

[10:18:49]

justinh:

bad packager!

[10:19:38]

justinh:

now let's see if I can make autocad print to a pdf without pooing its pants

[10:20:09]

rooaus:

ah, you might be onto something there...

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rooaus:

zegita: What version of ubuntu are you using? Hardy?

[10:21:05]

zegita:

gusty

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justinh:

yay! primopdf ftw, thanks to ghostscript

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justinh:

bye bye ad-ridden pdf995

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zegita:

im reinstalling via synaptic now

[10:23:08]

zegita:

and that should be the end of that problem shoudlnt it?

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justinh:

er... well in theory yes

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zegita:

ill find out in a sec then

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zegita:

it gave me the exact same errrr... information in the terminal. when i press ANY button it quits

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rooaus:

zegita: Try "mythtv-setup -O Theme=blue" to try the blue theme instead, you will probably get the same prob though.

[10:28:16]

justinh:

zegita: right. can you look in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/G.A.N.T./themeinfo.xml & see what version it is?

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justinh:

or look in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/G.A.N.T./base.xml – if there's a clock area mentioned in there it's not a theme for 0.20.x

[10:31:16]

justinh:

it's either theme related somehow or something to do with fonts still – e.g. out of whack DPI

[10:31:25]

rooaus:

Gokee2: Not really a good idea or a way to do it, you should be running the same versions.

[10:31:43]

justinh:

but even if the DPI was out of whack it should still display _some_ text

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zegita:

justinh: theres no clock area

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zegita:

rooaus: it says "(zenity:7297): Gtk-WARNING **: Error parsing gtk-icon-sizes string:"

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Dagmar:

Not unless the result was that the font glyphs came out taller than the text area they were assigned to

[10:33:52]

Dagmar:

You get no text at all when that happens.

[10:34:10]

Dagmar:

Occasionally, a line or two will appear, and then immediately go away as you try to change menu ite,s.

[10:34:36]

justinh:

anyway AFAIK only wrong button images or an error in theme.xml would cause the problem he's seeing

[10:34:37]

Dagmar:

zegita: Whatever that is is not a part of MythTV

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Gokee2:

rooaus, Hmm ok. I am running debian testing on the backend and ubuntu on one of my two frontends (the other is another debian testing) I will see if ubuntu has a old package. Thanks

[10:35:13]

Dagmar:

zenity is a gtk+ wrapper for dialog.

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Dagmar:

It is very much not Qt anything.

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zegita:

when i press any button it quits, so i think its something with the program.

[10:36:08]

zegita:

ill trie once again to run it

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justinh:

zegita: how much ram do you have?

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zegita:

256

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justinh:

at that res?!

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justinh:

forget it

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Dagmar:

lol

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justinh:

myth loads all theme images, scales them to the GUI size & keeps them in ram

[10:37:49]

Dagmar:

Unless your actual display is 1600x1200 you could stand to use a smaller resolution

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justinh:

zegita: you're running out of memory

[10:38:13]

Dagmar:

Hell, if all you have is SD content you might as well just drop down to 800x600

[10:38:46]

rooaus:

Dagmar: Maybe that is the ubuntu wrapper script around "mythtv-setup.real" not sure what they do in the packages.

[10:39:06]

justinh:

bleh

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Dagmar:

rooaus: That woiuld definitely make it something for the Ubuntu devs responsible for that package to gix.

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Dagmar:

s/gix/fix/;

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justinh:

try running mythtv-setup.real -geometry 800x600

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justinh:

I bet that works

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zegita:

ok

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Dagmar:

If they can't write an app to try to avoid problems without making it fucking crash on even more trivial problems, then they need to go back to coloring books.

[10:40:10]

** justinh hands out the big fat crayons to canonical people **

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justinh:

try not to get it outside the lines guys

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zegita:

looooooool!!! soooo small but it works

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zegita:

hahah

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zegita:

1/4th of my screen

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justinh:

zegita: as dagmar said – if you're only gonna be doing SD content change your screen res to 800x600 or upgrade your ram to a gig or so

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zegita:

ok

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Dagmar:

There just isn't much point in setting the screen resolution past 1024x768 at most if all one has is SD content.

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justinh:

one day I might investigate whether all this image prescaling & caching is just a waste of memory or if it's actually necessary

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zegita:

SD? whats that

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Dagmar:

It just means that either the video card or CPU is going to have to do more work to rescale the low-resolution video to match the output resolution unless you're having it mode switch

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justinh:

standard definition (as in television – not HD)

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Dagmar:

Standard Definition

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justinh:

popup->addButton(tr("Disable Autoexpire"), this, SLOT(doPlaylistExpireDisable()));

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Dagmar:

i.e., NTSC with all of 525 scan lines

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justinh:

oops

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rooaus:

justinh: Nice idea :)

[10:45:09]

justinh:

looking at making the autoexpire list more detailed – gonna have to drag it kicking & screaming out of the status window

[10:45:15]

justinh:

(too)

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rooaus:

yeah I added a couple of patches for that the other day, but had some other ideas I didn't get round to. Would be nice to be able to filter based on recgroup for instance.

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justinh:

rooaus: a couple of patches for what?

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Dibblah:

justinh: Prescaling is pretty much required.

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Dibblah:

Unless you're using GL, which does it sorta for-free.

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justinh:

Dibblah: qt can do it on the fly too AFAIK

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Dibblah:

Of course, not used at the moment and won't necessarily give results as good.

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justinh:

only thing is it might be slower than how it's done now.

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justinh:

worth looking into though

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Dibblah:

It can, but not with a nice scaler.

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rooaus:

report the size of the recordings in the recgroup, add the recgroup to the list like for livetv recordings, add the "disable autoexpire" button or "undelete button" based on recgroup.

[10:51:05]

justinh:

memoery requirements are still incredibly crazy

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Dibblah:

Indeed. But that's because we load the entire theme on startup.

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Dibblah:

And if you're considering not doing that, you NEED to prescale.

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justinh:

Dibblah: wouldn't want to wait while it thought about it

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justinh:

if other libs can live without prescaling maybe we can too. like I said it's worth looking into

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Dibblah:

Sure!

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justinh:

might very well be acceptable & save heaps of memory

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Dibblah:

The memory requirements are definitely better after (Stuart's?) cleanup, though.

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justinh:

without question but it's still holding 800x600 * 32-bit bitmaps scaled to whatever size you run the GUI at

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justinh:

it's not high on my todo list though so might not ever happen. ram is cheap

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Dibblah:

Or 1280xX, if you're lucky :)

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Dibblah:

justinh: Is it still holding them twice?

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Dibblah:

(For the GL / QT painters)

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Dibblah:

One required a qimage, one a qpixmap, ISTR.

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justinh:

dunno – not looked at it in great detail for a while

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justinh:

got other fish to fry :P

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Dagmar:

Mmmm... catfish

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Dagmar:

Or, perhaps, the UI could be converted to run as SVG. :)

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Dagmar:

...just one honking-big XML construct.

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Dibblah:

Flash is where it's at. It's.... Flashy!

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Dibblah:

Or that youtube thing.

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Dagmar:

Good luck finding a working open-source plugin

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Dagmar:

librsvg, on the other hand, is easily accessible.

[11:02:39]

Dibblah:

Which I'm struggling to find anything nice to say about.

[11:03:01]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: The colors mostly come up as they're supposed to. :)

[11:04:12]

Dibblah:

"Gloss" – That was it.

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Dibblah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkE3Z5P-6Ak

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Dagmar:

oooh i'll have to watch this when I come back from having a smoke

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zagibu:

is there a straightforward guide available concerning DVD-Playback? I'm a bit put off by all the possibilities...

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cafuego:

mythdvd should manage that just fine

[11:31:14]

zagibu:

strangely, the default setup plays the DVD menus in fullscreen, but as soon as I start the movie track, black bars appear above and below the picture (yes, it's a wide-screen setup)

[11:34:27]

mzb_d800:

that's an extremely sexy FE

[11:36:02]

cafuego:

it wants to be Apple software, eh

[11:36:03]

mzb_d800:

justinh: is the new mythui framework able to achieve that level of "beauty" ?

[11:37:50]

mzb_d800:

ie: I'd like to be able to come up with my own menu system, with the possibility of my own graphics.

[11:38:11]

mzb_d800:

smooth visual effects are a bonus

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Dagmar:

zagibu: I recommend popping the DVD into a "regular" player to see if it's supposed to do that.

[11:39:27]

Dagmar:

There's plenty of DVDs out there with 4:3 fullscreen menus, but 16:9 letterboxed video wedged into a 4:3 frame.

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cafuego:

Oh, is josh working on that?

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justinh:

mzb_d800: not sure. don't care tbh

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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mzb_d800:

fair enough

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mzb_d800:

could be make or break for my purpose

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zagibu:

Dagmar: it isn't doing it in my cheap 5year old dvd-player

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justinh:

visual effects count for FA in my book.

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mzb_d800:

I'll have to pay more attention to the work going on, I guess

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zagibu:

also, the picture box is not 16:9, but 16:5 or something

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zagibu:

so it's squeezed 16:9

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cafuego:

zagibu: ANy chance it's running in mplayer with a cusom set of prefs?

[11:43:08]

justinh:

there's definitely no movement or anything swishy going on in mythui right now. needs to have decisions made about how to define them. code is in there just not used yet

[11:43:13]

mzb_d800:

justinh: I understand what you're saying ... but my question was re the ability of mythui to perform opengl effects.

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cafuego:

... or mplayer THINKS it's 4:3 and is thus compressing it?

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mzb_d800:

(perhaps in the future)

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justinh:

mzb_d800: I dunno how much things are abstracted. there's only one menu transition at the moment & it's the sucky fade

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mzb_d800:

ok, thanks

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justinh:

there's a LOT of work to do before any poncy movement is done IMHO

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mzb_d800:

:))

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justinh:

a L O T

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mzb_d800:

i _G_O_T_ it ;)

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cafuego:

So like

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cafuego:

It's been a minute. When can i download it?

[11:45:35]

justinh:

like not just porting existing classes over to mythui straight. it's a good opportunity to turn it upside down & take care of a lot of inconsistencies in the UI

[11:45:36]

mzb_d800:

heh

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justinh:

as for gloss ripping off MCE & AppleTV.. pfft :)

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zagibu:

cafuego: no it was the default Internal player

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mzb_d800:

I'm not in the least concerned about who rips off whom.

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justinh:

and python? no thanks

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mzb_d800:

my question related to the ability of the mythui framework to perform *any* "poncy" effects

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justinh:

movements & zooms can be defined AFAIK

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mzb_d800:

ok, good

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justinh:

and fades

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justinh:

and (!) colour cycling (!)

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mzb_d800:

ooh ;)

[11:48:16]

justinh:

very 1980s

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mzb_d800:

fair enough

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mzb_d800:

is any of that opengl?

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mzb_d800:

(I guess not)

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justinh:

currently only works with the opengl painter but no reason (other than pathetic speed maybe) not to allow it on the qt painter (duh apart from qt3 doesn't do alpha blending)

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mzb_d800:

ok

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justinh:

and it's not all that fast. look at how sluggish G.A.N.T gets when the opengl painter is used. that alphapulse on the big 'mythtv' text really takes the fun away

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zagibu:

i just switched from internal player to xine, and it's still outputting in the squeezed 16:5 format

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zagibu:

also, it got horribly slow

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zagibu:

like 3 fps or something

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justinh:

zagibu: ENOTENOUGHMHZ !

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mzb_d800:

heh

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mzb_d800:

ah well, hopefully I'll have an FE fast enough to experiment with all this *GL stuff, soon (cross fingers)

[11:53:16]

zagibu:

well, it's not slow with the internal player

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mzb_d800:

zagibu: check your xine options

[11:54:28]

zagibu:

i don't care about the slowness yet...my problem is the 16:5 format

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mzb_d800:

related?

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zagibu:

which happens with both the internal player and xine

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mzb_d800:

maybe you can use mplayer|ffmpeg info to determine various info about the video. That might help to show you what's going wrong.

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** justinh goes to check mythtvbollocks.com for news about mythtv **

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DGnome:

:o

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Dagmar:

mplayer has a mode explicitly meant for getting metadata about a video file into variables.

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justinh:

!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7240234.stm !! ffs

[12:07:07]

Dagmar:

Yeah, breaking "common carrier" status would be a HUGE fucking mistake to make over there.

[12:08:05]

Dagmar:

It is just a short hop away from placing the burden of policing pretty much _everything_ users do onto the ISPs, and they just can't be expected to be able to do that.

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mzb_d800:

sounds like borderline violation of (various) rights policed by ppl who should not have that responsibility

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justinh:

france have already implemented something similar apparently

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but that's France.

[12:14:39]

Dagmar:

Their whole telecom is run by a gov't agency that regularly engages in industrial espionage on behalf of French corporations

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mzb_d800:

some pimple-spotted nerd telling me I can't download an mp3 from my Father's house? ... hmmm

[12:15:14]

Dagmar:

...like, to the degree that certain companies I used to work for actually needed to have _encrypting_ fax machines specced out for their offices at one point.

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mzb_d800:

.au would rip of the private members of their (representative) members for that ;)

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Dagmar:

mzb_d800: More like some tanned and overfed attorney doing it

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mzb_d800:

err ... no ... I mean whips, chains, and percussion weapons ;)

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mzb_d800:

(sledgehammer preferred;)))

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zagibu:

now it's getting really strange...standard 4:3 is stretched to 16:9 and 16:9 is squeezed to 16:5

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mzb_d800:

sounds like you've got some conflicting settings somewhere ... put everything back to default (or auto) and see how you go

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zagibu:

it is default

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zagibu:

i just changed the DVD player to xine for a check, but now it's back to internal

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zagibu:

the box has been installed this morning...it's 2 hours old or something

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mzb_d800:

tbh: the permutations available just confused me, but I got mine right with practice

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mzb_d800:

probably took me 2 months to settle on a solution (each FE being different made it harder to decide, but easier to work out what was going on)

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mzb_d800:

zagibu: good luck, it's really a matter of experimenting with content vs display (unless someone else has a magic formula I've missed out on;)

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mzb_d800:

time to do non-computer stuff ... gnite all

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justinh:

bah I wish I had my c++ book handy

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zagibu:

ok, i'm a bit ashamed...my gui was set to 4:3 in the settings...

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Dagmar:

NAUGHTY

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zagibu:

i've set it to 16:9 and it works perfectly now

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justinh:

ahhh | is OR

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Dagmar:

...as in "you do this OR you get the pipe"

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Dagmar:

*whap*

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Dagmar:

What we need is an illogical operator for MAYBE in programming languages.

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Dagmar:

All these logical and arithmetic operators are just too boring

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justinh:

fack. can't test my new patch since my devvy box is powered down

[12:35:12]

justinh:

I suppose I can check it it compiles though

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Dagmar:

Ah just run it on the production database server.

[12:36:05]

Dagmar:

No one'll notice.

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justinh:

we don't use LINUX here!

[12:37:00]

justinh:

don't be silly!! linux is scary wary!

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Dagmar:

No one has to know.

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Dagmar:

You can install Ubuntu with a nice candy-ass er like XP theme

[12:38:03]

Dagmar:

...or just use the BSOD screensaver.

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justinh:

does autocad run on linux? ;)

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justinh:

s'ok I can ssh into home. it's how I manage to be around here so effing much

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justinh:

playbackbox.cpp might be about to get bigger

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zagibu:

is it possible to work around the crappy dvds that do the 16:9 in a 4:3 thing?

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justinh:

zoom zoom zoom!

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Dagmar:

You can try *snicker* the 16:9 Stretch setting

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zagibu:

but does that work automatically or do you have to reset it for the regular 16:9 sources?

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Dagmar:

You have to turn it on once you're watching the movie (using the internal player)

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Dagmar:

Just hit menu and lookie

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zagibu:

okay, big tuhanks to you

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directhex|bsp:

zagibu, widescreen tv?

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justinh:

hmm it's gonna be a while before this compile fails. must go do something less boring instead

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zagibu:

yessir, it all works now...great, finally I can dump my cheap-ass DVD player

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zagibu:

now to get a bit more color fidelity

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zagibu:

it's pretty washed out at the moment

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justinh:

hmmm. Trevor Bayliss – clever entrepeneur or just a wind-up merchant?

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jduggan_:

haha

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jduggan_:

very funny

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justinh:

aha! finally started compiling mythfrontend

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jduggan_:

eew @ this vmsplice vuln

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Dagmar:

jduggan: A bit slow on the news?

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jduggan_:

Dagmar: no.. so busy i havent irc'd ;)

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DGnome:

justinh: users are to be considered terrorists anyway so ;)

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Dagmar:

Never trust a user you can't kill. Instantly.

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jduggan_:

indeed, thats why i never run public boxes with grsec

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jduggan_:

er

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jduggan_:

without ;)

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Dagmar:

You can trust a user when you can be standing behind them, watching them type, while you have a gun.

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Dagmar:

Perfect trust is acheieved when you've checked the gun is loaded, the safety is off, it's resting gently against the base of their skull, and you have your finger on the trigger.

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justinh:

ooo it compileth

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justinh:

eth

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justinh:

and our cable supplier has cocked up again. seem to have confused 0.1" with 2mm pitch, and 40 ways with 44 ways.

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DGnome:

eh?

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justinh:

give us a sample cable produced from a drawing specifying 44 way 2mm pitch connectors. they supplied a 40 way IDE cable

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DGnome:

oh

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justinh:

at least it's the right colour

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DGnome:

:D

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DGnome:

That could make one's mental health suffer :)

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justinh:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . expire.patch

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justinh:

ffs wrong window again

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zegita:

hey guys do you know how to install this: http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/saa7134.html?

[14:10:03]

zegita:

im trying to figure out how to watch tv on mythtv

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directhex|bsp:

zegita, you need to patch your saa driver?

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zegita:

eeehh... i dont know. someone told me i should install this driver

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directhex|bsp:

"Note that the saa7134 driver also is included in the 2.6.x kernels."

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directhex|bsp:

was your distribution made in the last 5 years?

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zegita:

yeah

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directhex|bsp:

then it's a fair bet the driver is already on your system

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directhex|bsp:

is your tuner analog or digital?

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zegita:

analog i think. one of those which requires a normal tv plug thing

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justinh:

you think?

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justinh:

you need to know :)

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zegita:

i dont know what the difference is.

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zegita:

this thing: phillips semiconductors, SAA7134/SAA7135HL Video Broadcast Decoder, PCI

[14:14:08]

justinh:

that doesn't say much at all

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directhex|bsp:

may lspci burn in the pits of hades

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justinh:

what make/model is the card?

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zegita:

now you guys are coming with questions i cant answer

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Dagmar:

How the hell is lspci a problem?

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kazan:

you have a card, but you don't know what it is?

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zegita:

i sisnt buy it.

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justinh:

zegita: you don't know what make or model the card is?

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kazan:

you have a card, but you don't know what it is?\

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kazan:

i don't care WHO bought it

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kazan:

cards have identification markings

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Dagmar:

Sounds like a "the user is a dumbass" problem.

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, because people don't understand what iot is, means, or does, so just throw around lspci output in an unhelpful manner

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Dagmar:

Reports about that go to the user's maintainers.

[14:15:45]

kazan:

PEBKAc

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zegita:

dear lord

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kazan:

heck.. get the PCI Vendor and Device ID and go google if you have to

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zegita:

ok

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directhex|bsp:

zegita, consider this topic: "my car's broken, fix it please!" "okay, what is the car?" "blue" "erm... just blue?" "it has some wheels too, not sure how many"

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zegita:

lol ok

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zegita:

got it

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Dagmar:

...or just pastebin `lspci -nn`

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Dagmar:

<--- actually knows what to do with lspci.

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directhex|bsp:

lspci should have an embarrasement flag, like glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark

[14:19:05]

Dagmar:

Yep

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zegita:

thats what i got: http://pastebin.com/d73e49d0a

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kazan:

i know exactly what card he has

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kazan:

he has a KWorld ATSC-115

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zegita:

is that good?

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kazan:

my KWorld ATSC-110 is 1131:7133 and his card is 1131:7134

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directhex|bsp:

kazan, want to know why you're wrong?

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Dagmar:

http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/VIDEO_SAA7134.html

[14:21:05]

Dagmar:

FTW

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justinh:

good to see the hate still flowing today

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kazan:

directhex: did i reverse order of vendor and device IDs?

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directhex|bsp:

kazan, hint: atsc is used by yankland, puerto rico, and guam. not the real world.

[14:22:13]

kazan:

directhex: kworld makes a dvb-t version as well

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Dagmar:

Okay. Now.

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zegita:

what now?

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kazan:

the kworld atsc's use the DVB driver interface

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directhex|bsp:

kazan, count the entries on Dagmar's list

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justinh:

zegita: any idea how old the card is and are there ANY identifying marks at all?

[14:23:07]

Dagmar:

Let's pray there's a subidentifier.

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Dagmar:

Pastebin what `lspci -vv -s 00:0b.0` gives you

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Dagmar:

TYPE THAT EXACTLY.

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zegita:

i think ill search for the package

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kazan:

directhex|bsp: apparently PCI vendor id works differently than i thought

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Dagmar:

Vendor ID just identifies what company made it. That's all.

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kazan:

Philips made the main chip, not the entire card though

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Dagmar:

No shit.

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directhex|bsp:

i'd go for "lspci -nnv | grep -A1 00:0b.0"

[14:24:36]

kazan:

whoever stamps cards for kworld made the card

[14:24:42]

Dagmar:

that's why theres subvendors and subdevice identifiers

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zegita:

lspci -vv -s 00:0b.0: http://pastebin.com/d517f79c6

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directhex|bsp:

but that's my style

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kazan:

which neither -n nor -vv -s shows :D

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kazan:

-vv s shows the "subsystem" whic contains an ID string

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directhex|bsp:

vendor: 1131 ("Philips Semiconductors"), device: 7134 ("SAA7134/SAA7135HL Video Broadcast Decoder"), subvendor, subdedvice: 1131, 0000 (also in CONFIG_VIDEO_DEV)

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directhex|bsp:

if i be readin' right

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Dagmar:

Run the command as root.

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Dagmar:

Mere users are not allowed to probe that deeply

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zegita:

i am a idiot

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zegita:

and im mantally sick

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Dagmar:

Hence, "Capabilities: <access denied>" and a big fat 0000 for subsystem

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zegita:

mentally

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Dagmar:

directhex: Actually, 0000 doesn't really indicate any one card. Mainly it indicates the manufacturers are assholes, or something went wrong probing the card. ;)

[14:26:59]

zegita:

sorry. my sister wrote that

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, handy!

[14:27:25]

Dagmar:

zegita: So drop her ass down a well and push a big rock over it. We can wait.

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Dagmar:

directhex: While getting the sub-codes on this thing might or might not indicate a specific card, it's probably less prone to error than "looking for the box it came in"

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afm:

morning all

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kazan:

apparently your sister is "mantally" sick.. whatever that is :D

[14:28:42]

kazan:

hi afm

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Dagmar:

I think it means she's a ho'.

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, i'm at the point where i say "cross fingers, modprobe saa7134, see what dmesg says"

[14:29:20]

Dagmar:

directhex: I figured that part was already done

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, chances are it was already detected by the distro anyway, and we've been wasting our time

[14:29:30]

Dagmar:

...and that we were just trying to figure out WTF to force tuner= to

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directhex|bsp:

zegita, what does "lsmod | grep saa7134" say?

[14:29:47]

Dagmar:

Man, if the dude hasn't even tried to test the thing yet, I don't want to know

[14:29:51]

afm:

i finally got an ir blaster working from the command line. installed the change channel script, pointed myth to it. but translations aren't going from remote to irblaster. using the mce receiver/blaster

[14:30:15]

zegita:

i have tested it in windows and it works

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afm:

do i need to creat another instance of licrd? i think this may where i'm disconnecting in my head

[14:30:22]

Dagmar:

This is, unless I miss my guess, another bloody framegrabber card

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Dagmar:

zegita: I don't care what it's doing in Windows

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Dagmar:

We're kind of taking it on faith that the thing isn't actually broken.

[14:31:36]

zegita:

lsmod | grep saa7134: http://pastebin.com/d49015233

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Dagmar:

Life would be too painful to continue otherwise.

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Dagmar:

Damnit

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Dagmar:

1131:0000 <-- suuuuck

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directhex|bsp:

okay, it's been detected by the distro then, minus dvb modules. i think it's a lamegrabber

[14:32:39]

Dagmar:

Break out tvtime or xawtv and see if either of those will let you watch TV

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directhex|bsp:

zegita, it already works, in theory. your distro autodetected it

[14:33:09]

zegita:

tvtime is not letting me watch anything

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Dagmar:

Are you getting _static_ or what?

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zegita:

wha?

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Dagmar:

Look, clearly it's not popping up a dialog saying "You are not allowed to watch TV past your bedtime little boy." so it must be doing _something_ else.

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Dagmar:

We need to know what that something else is.

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zegita:

black screen

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afm:

bwahaha sorry...had to laugh

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Dagmar:

Did you configure TVTime?

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afm:

did mommy parentally restrict you...... :P

[14:35:04]

Dagmar:

If you did actually tell TVTime you're on NTSC or PAL etc, then pastbin the output of dmesg, which will hopefully tell us something useful.

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zegita:

ive configured it yes

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otwin:

zegita: it might be interesting to know if the device was created -> 'ls -l /dev/dvb/'

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Dagmar:

So you set the frottage number and everything?

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directhex|bsp:

zegita, you said it was working on windows. with which drivers?

[14:37:07]

zegita:

i had a cd with the drivers and a program in windows

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afm:

WHICH DRIVERS

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afm:

list the name of the dll

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Dagmar:

Oh like they know

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afm:

sorry you have more patience than i

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Dagmar:

udev noticed the card is there, the module loaded, and this is likely Yet Another Misdetected Tuner Setting issue

[14:38:09]

Dagmar:

...so dmesg is something that would have what the driver module said as it came up

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afm:

open a terminal, type 'dmesg' cut and paste it into a pastebin please so we can all see it

[14:39:46]

afm:

what term is causing you difficulties? terminal, pastebin, or dmesg?

[14:40:00]

zegita:

my slowness

[14:40:07]

afm:

are you stoned?

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Dagmar:

Hey some people are slower than others. Be a wee bit patient

[14:40:21]

zegita:

http://pastebin.com/d74dcdafc

[14:40:27]

afm:

nono, i am...i broke it down...3 terms...

[14:40:31]

afm:

there we go

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Dagmar:

afm: You forget that silence from a user also means they're not asking more questions. ;)

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afm:

note taken

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directhex|bsp:

what an unhappy-looking pc

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zegita:

in windows: WDM driver

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Dagmar:

Something is very, very broken there.

[14:41:37]

directhex|bsp:

that's a clue! it means it's not digital!

[14:41:40]

kazan:

UK government to terminate file sharer's net access

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kazan:

this will end well

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zegita:

whats wrong?

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Dagmar:

Pssht. I've been sure it's not a digital tuner for awhile now

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directhex|bsp:

zegita, how often does your firefox crash?

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Dagmar:

zegita: Something in there is causing repeated kernel panics

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zegita:

firefox does not crash often, and i dont know what repeated kernel panics is

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Dagmar:

Could easily be bad RAM, or the driver, or a failing motherboard

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Dagmar:

So....

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Dagmar:

Can ya possibly pastebin the last 50 lines or so from /var/log/messages?

[14:43:56]

Dagmar:

It should have much the same data, in a slightly more coherent format

[14:44:07]

Dagmar:

Might even tell us what the driver module was saying

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zegita:

permission denied

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Dagmar:

The buffer dmesg uses is of a fixed size, and those kernel panics have unfortunately rolled anything the driver was saying when it was loaded right off the end.

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directhex|bsp:

zegita, every line starting with "page allocation failure" would be a blue screen on windows, or at the very least a "illegal operation" opoup/crash

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Dagmar:

You need to be root to read the system logs normally

[14:45:13]

afm:

or a quick clean reboot and then a dmesg

[14:45:23]

Dagmar:

afm: That would work, yeah

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zegita:

normally? is there another way because i dont have access to the root user

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Dagmar:

This is one of those times I wish there was a little USB device or something that could just be shoved into a machine to instantly give anyone in a support channel access to important diagnostics files

[14:45:52]

directhex|bsp:

at any rate, that box is very unwell

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Dagmar:

o.O

[14:46:00]

Dagmar:

Hey, well, that solves it right there.

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otwin:

lol

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Dagmar:

If you don't have access to the root user, you're done.

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, there are a bunch of scripts used on some channels to do just that

[14:46:19]

Dagmar:

Anything you do to fix this would require that access.

[14:46:29]

Dagmar:

...without it, there's no point in pursuing this further.

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afm:

there are some new web apps out there that supposedly works on all OS for remote admin....

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otwin:

get of daddies computer...

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afm:

a buddy of mine works for some goofy new geek squad ish company...would have to do some googling

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directhex|bsp:

otwin, and it's sick

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Dagmar:

otwin: Nah, the proper response is to tell dad "What's the matter with your computer? I thought you were supposed to be smart!"

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zegita:

ill be back when i have access to root. and be a pain your ass when asking for help

[14:47:41]

zegita:

as i was today :)

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directhex|bsp:

joy!

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Dagmar:

zegita: We're actually not that hard to work with when you can follow instructions without typoing commands.

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afm:

hit the rest button and wait for the fsck to finish, then do a dmesg

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afm:

non-root needed :P

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Dagmar:

Lots of people have problems with that last bit. ;)

[14:48:14]

Dagmar:

afm: Don't make me find out where you live just to paint you orange for telling people to hard reboot

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psm321:

is there any easy way to fix my db if i just accidentally ran mythfilldatabase without --remove-new-channels (on a multi-tuner setup where one set of tuners can tune less channels than another)?

[14:48:48]

afm:

if its ubuntu or something, there is no root... try sudo reboot? and use yer password

[14:48:52]

afm:

not sure if this was covered

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psm321:

would simply reloading the 'channel' table from a recent backup and deleting/refilling 'program' be sufficient?

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Dagmar:

afm: There is actually a root role account on Ubuntu machines.

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raceme:

to enable root on ubuntu juste do "sudo passwd" and enable root's password

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Dagmar:

Linux kinda doesn't work without that uid.

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Dagmar:

It's a bit like saying "We've rebuilt the computer to not have the number zero."

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otwin:

raceme: or just 'sudo -i'

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afm:

the user exists, but there is no passwd by defualt installations

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afm:

user/group even

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Dagmar:

afm: Yep. That's to stop script kiddies from brute forcing the root password that jackasses set to something really stupid.

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directhex|bsp:

i use sudo bash. for i am lame

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Dagmar:

You may have noticed them in your firewall logs.

[14:50:50]

afm:

'god' wouldn't be up this late. echo terminal 21

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afm:

HA

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afm:

anyone old enough to get that?

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directhex|bsp:

never fear, Dagmar is here!

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Dagmar:

Old enough to have seen "Hackers"?

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Dagmar:

Jesus.

[14:51:20]

afm:

you'd be surprised

[14:51:27]

Dagmar:

The production company came to our 2600 klatch and gave us advance passes

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raceme:

otwin: didn't know that (sudo -i) thanks :) anyway i cannot stand sudo :)

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, some blockbuster actresses are now younger than me. i feel teh oldz :(

[14:51:52]

Dagmar:

Come try me again when you're talking about "WOULD... YOU... LIKE... TO... PLAY... A-GAME?"

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afm:

i teach kids (athletics) that have never seen goonies, the real star wars, or know what a smurf is

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFCON_(computer_game)

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RediXe:

Looking on http://www.gossamer-threads.com/ I found "There is an open ticket #3246 with a patch that supposedly fixes this" but I am having trouble finding this ticket/patch. Where would I be able to find it?

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directhex|bsp:

afm, i've been to the smurf theme park, like, ten times when i was a kid!

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afm:

nice!

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directhex|bsp:

RediXe, svn.mythtv.org ?

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afm:

smrufette is still a whore

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raceme:

about multi-tunner setup and mythfilldatabase is there anywhere a doc ? (this would prevent me to ask RTFM silly questions)

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RediXe:

kk, will check there thx

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directhex|bsp:

afm, well, of course! she was created specifically for that purpose

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afm:

so conceptually, do i need two lircd's running for an ir receiver, and an ir blaster to work?

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RediXe:

directhex|bsp: thx :)

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directhex|bsp:

afm, conceptually, you need science to turn smurfs into gold

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afm:

i don't see the correlation in that analogy

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directhex|bsp:

"When [Gargamel] first appeared in The Smurfnapper (published in 1959) he captured a smurf which he needed as an ingredient for a potion to make gold (according to an old magic spell)."

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afm:

ahh yes...forgot the alchemy theme there

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RediXe:

What is the cutlists? "only breaks when honoring cutlists" ... curious if there is a simple way to fix this. The patch wants me to edit a .cpp file and I am running mythdora and don't want to try and recompile it. BTW, the issue is when burning a recording that plays fine I am only getting 10 min of the recording at most on the DVD.

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kazan:

yay for hypercalecemia :/

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afm:

great link since i've started seeing some of these rips around. http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/High_Definition_Disk_Formats

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afm:

tried playing a blue ray clip the other day...definately need a little extra something from the default

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iamlindoro:

afm, yup, I wrote that article... Got tired of explaining that people who thought they were playing "1080p Blu-ray rips" were just playing reduced bitrate garbage

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justinh:

lol @ today's online Dilbert

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Merlin83b2:

Heh

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jams:

thats pretty good, i have had a few managers like that

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sebrock:

which directories are safe to exlcude on a backup with tar?

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sebrock:

guessing /dev

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jams:

/dev /proc /sys

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jams:

and anything else you don't want to backup

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jams:

probably /tmp and /lost+found

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sebrock:

ok so these are not vital then

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sebrock:

thanks

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justinh:

recording directories.. ;)

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justinh:

it's only TV !

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sebrock:

not on this that disc anyway :D

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at0m|c:

justinh, tried to set up mythtv server as network boot host a while ago, the knoppmyth script took a bit long. when i checked, it was copying all of my media (TB's) to the folder for the clients :o

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at0m|c:

bit overload eh, will have a look at that script some day

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afm:

nice documentation iamlindoro....thanks!

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afm:

gotta get my irblaster working, and then start with recording shiz and transcoding after hours...finally using myth to a much higher extent

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, feel like mentioning how to strip unwanted streams?

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iamlindoro:

directhex|bsp, For blu-ray? Hmm... Well, should be as simple as ffmpeg with -ac copy and -vc copy and -map 0:0 -map 5:1 or whatever... guess I could find an intelligent way to write that up

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iamlindoro:

I've mostly been preserving all the streams but should be fairly trivial to take those which you like. Let me get bck to you

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iamlindoro:

er back

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stevenh:

afm: which documentation?

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afm:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/High_Definition_Disk_Formats

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afm:

a few new people in here so i'ma ask again

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afm:

so conceptually, do i need two lircd's running for an ir receiver, and an ir blaster to work? irblaster working from command line, but not remote. change-channel-script in place and myth pointed to it

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iamlindoro:

afm, it depends on the device you're using. for example, mceusb needs only one instance.

[16:20:51]

Dibblah:

justinh: Dilbert has spies. Everywhere.

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afm:

ok..then i have something fubared

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afm:

mceusb is what i'm using

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afm:

tried numerous channel-change scripts...dont seem to do the trick...

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iamlindoro:

thought you said the IR Blaster was working?

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afm:

i know my lircd.conf is accurate since i can commandline irsend codes and they all work

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afm:

from command line....not from remote to irblaster

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stevenh:

according to that wiki you can use the hd-dvd player from an xbox on a linux box?

[16:22:30]

iamlindoro:

afm, I have a feeling you think certain terms mean things don't mean what they mean

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iamlindoro:

stevenh, yes

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iamlindoro:

stevenh, so long as you have a UDF 2.5 driver.

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afm:

where's my disconnect?

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stevenh:

understood, that is awesome

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, hm, i think i need to build aacskeys. only one of my movies is in doom9's keydb.cfg

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afm:

irsend SEND_ONCE DCT2000 $COMMAND works

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iamlindoro:

afm, the ir blaster is the IR emitter, the dongle that sticks on the front of your STB.

[16:23:56]

afm:

yes

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iamlindoro:

afm, so what do you mean by "not from remote to IR Blaster?"

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iamlindoro:

afm what is it you think it should be doing that it's not doing?

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stevenh:

afm: that will change a channel if you do it from the command line?

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afm:

from the remote control, when i hit '1' or 'ch+' nothing gets sent to the stb

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iamlindoro:

afm, nor would it

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afm:

ok...is there a way to make this work?

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afm:

is it a .lircrc perhaps?

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stevenh:

you need a change channel script that is run from within mythtv

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iamlindoro:

afm, you need to build an appropriate channel change script with ir send commands, and set that as the channel change script. Once you have a working channel change script from the command line, you attach that to your capture card in mythtv setup. Then *myth* runs that script when you change a channel from within it

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afm:

yes...i have that inplace

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iamlindoro:

afm, so you have a working channel change script from the command line?

[16:26:32]

afm:

yes

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iamlindoro:

not just a single irsend command, but a script where you can go "myscript 200" and it will change to channel 200, right?

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afm:

i tried a few...most of the ones i found, did a input digit, pause, if no further input hit ok. from the command line i can do a single digit, but from the remote not

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afm:

the additional numbers i can worry about later....

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iamlindoro:

afm, no, you can't.

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iamlindoro:

you need a *working* script before we go further.

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afm:

ok... will work on getting a 100+ working first..then hit the channel up

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afm:

thanks

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afm:

anyone have a working change-channel-lirc.pl/sh script they know works? pastebin perhaps?

[16:32:58]

afm:

too many different once i dont like/work :P

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afm:

s/once/ones

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justinh:

don't like? wtf?

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zagibu:

i have some jumps when playing back lotr dvd...is it possible to enlarge the buffer?

[16:46:06]

justinh:

maybe enable dma

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justinh:

anyway what's lotr?

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zagibu:

lord of the rings

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zagibu:

i hope you know the book

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justinh:

do I fuckerslike

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afm:

woot...went to te most basic script i could find....finally works

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justinh:

never read Tolkien in my life.

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zagibu:

a shame

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Anduin:

it is overrated

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zagibu:

the books aren't best fantasy i've read except a song of ice and fire

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justinh:

I tried reading The Hobbit once when I was in my early teens – almost put me off reading for life

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zagibu:

eh, there should be triple dots after aren't

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zagibu:

what i was trying to say is that Tolkien is second only to George R. R. Martin

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zagibu:

but yeah, if you don't like fantasy

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justinh:

I don't have any interest in lotr, star wars, any star strek beyond TNG and yet I call myself a geek. How dare I !

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zagibu:

star trek is still pretty geeky

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justinh:

drew the line at TNG though

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zagibu:

also, you can't call yourself a geek

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justinh:

nah it's _cool_ you can't call yourself :P

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zagibu:

that, too

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justinh:

geek is a derogatory term IMHO so I can call myself it if I want :)

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zagibu:

ah, let's not drift away from mythtv too much

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justinh:

topic police now?

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zagibu:

no, i just got unanswered questions ;p

[16:53:34]

zagibu:

like, how do you improve picture quality when playing back DVDs using internal player

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jams:

and i have unquestioned answers...lets see if they match

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justinh:

I have unanswered questions aplenty. nobody here would be of any use though :P

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zagibu:

try some philosophy courses, maybe, or go to a church

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justinh:

zagibu: what's wrong with the picture quality?

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zagibu:

it's not as crisp and sharp as it is when playing back the same movie using my cheapo dvd-player

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** justinh tries /ignore instead. the zen approach. nobody gets away with suggesting going to church **

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zagibu:

hehe

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justinh:

zagibu: more a question of tv output quality than dvd decoding

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zagibu:

maybe, yes

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zagibu:

i'm using VGA

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justinh:

or that

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justinh:

seen your el-cheapo DVD player on the VGA monitor then?

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zagibu:

it's both on a Sony Bravia HDTV, but using different connectors

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zagibu:

the DVD-Player is connected via standard european SCART

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justinh:

so the TV's scaler is a factor too

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justinh:

as is the question of whether or not you're running X at the native res. of the display

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zagibu:

you mean it's just shit over the VGA connector?

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zagibu:

i run X at 1280x720, which displays pixel-perfect (with two small black bars on each side)

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justinh:

right

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justinh:

well then it's down to the scaling engine in the TV being better than mythtv. FA you can do about that

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justinh:

unless you want to try DVI/HDMI

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zagibu:

oh I tried for two months to get that working...

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zagibu:

no chance

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zagibu:

stupid TV defaults to 480p no matter what modelines I set

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Anduin:

justinh: Do you mind if I touch blootube* (to add the case filter)?

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Anduin:

er cast, stupid C++

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justinh:

Anduin: case filter? Cast filter you mean?

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justinh:

;)

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justinh:

go 'head. I have plenty other things to do

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bagpuss_thecat:

aarg

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bagpuss_thecat:

mythfrontend on Ubuntu wants to upgrade my schema from 1160 to 1209, but my backends are on Debian from the Marillat repositories... is this likely to cause discombobulation?

[17:04:41]

Anduin:

Yes

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justinh:

Anduin: if it's just the one, just lemme see an example of how it works & I'll do em all

[17:04:48]

justinh:

bagpuss_thecat: very much so!

[17:05:01]

bagpuss_thecat:

bugger

[17:05:16]

justinh:

packagamitis miximatosis

[17:05:21]

Anduin:

justinh: Yeah, it is very simple, examples are in my cast change commit, two small entries (making space is the largest change)

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bagpuss_thecat:

naw, just different distros

[17:05:47]

zagibu:

how do I set DMA mode to be permanently on for my device?

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** bagpuss_thecat will do without a frontend on this machine for just now **

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justinh:

Anduin: need to play with trunk tonight anyway to test my new playlist patch so I'll do it later

[17:06:36]

zagibu:

i've activated it with hdparm -d1 /dev/scd0 so far, but I guess it won't survive the next reboot

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justinh:

zagibu: that's what init scripts were invented for, among other things

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justinh:

there's prolly a udev rule you can set for it too

[17:07:14]

zagibu:

argh

[17:07:22]

zagibu:

so much to learn

[17:07:54]

zagibu:

why can't they just implement a --stay parameter or something ;)

[17:08:08]

bagpuss_thecat:

zagibu: cos the hard drive would forget :-)

[17:08:13]

bagpuss_thecat:

zagibu: what distro are you on?

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zagibu:

ubuntu

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bagpuss_thecat:

k

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bagpuss_thecat:

I have /etc/init.d/hdparm on Ubuntu here

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bagpuss_thecat:

and it pulls settings from /etc/default/hdparm

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bagpuss_thecat:

although /etc/default/hdparm doesn't exist

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bagpuss_thecat:

there's also /etc/hdparm.conf, which does exist

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bagpuss_thecat:

yeah /etc/hdparm.conf seems pretty self-explanatory

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zagibu:

ok, thanks, will have a look

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zagibu:

what's the highest udma you can get with a dvd-rom? udma2?

[17:11:41]

squish102:

btw is all this hdparm stuff needed? does it make a difference?

[17:12:04]

squish102:

or do the new distros, like ubuntu set it out the box?

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justinh:

usually set to auto

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justinh:

can't always bank on it being detected properly

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squish102:

ok, i'll leave it at auto and hope it is working

[17:13:24]

zagibu:

it seems udma2 is already active, but i still get some jumps playing back lotr dvd

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zagibu:

other dvds work fine, like equilibrium

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justinh:

what about other dvd playing software? like xine, ogle or vlc?

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zagibu:

hmmm, i just noticed my DVD is a sata drive, so i should probably use sdparm, right?

[17:23:00]

justinh:

what cpu do you have?

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zagibu:

it's an intel t2300@1.66GHz

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justinh:

you running nvidia binary drivers on a nvidia card, or is it some crap ATI VGA ?

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zagibu:

it's an intel 945GMA

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justinh:

should be fine I think

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justinh:

mine is

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justinh:

by a big margin I mean ;)

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zagibu:

i get 3MB/s with hdparm -Tt /dev/scd0

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justinh:

oof

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zagibu:

yeah, it's a scsi drive, though

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zagibu:

sata, i mean

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zagibu:

hmmm

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zagibu:

it's a notebook-drive

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zagibu:

but it's connected to IDE, i think

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zagibu:

with an adapter

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ol_schoola:

oooooh, gloss. just hacked open my appleTV and installed a new A/V rack. three glass shelves tinted black. makes all my equipment "glossy" IRL

[17:57:49]

zagibu:

i think that's the problem...i'll look into a sata cable that can connect this notebook dvd directly

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ol_schoola:

gloss is good, keep it coming

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justinh:

gloss is overrated and must be stopped

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** iamlindoro gets some popcorn. **

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** justinh wonders if it's possible to have clutter without python **

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ol_schoola:

justinh: if you could see the rcvr, ATV, squeezebox, and Silverstone all reflecting on these glass shelves .....

[18:02:13]

justinh:

I can see them not reflecting for long if you live there a lot of the time

[18:02:25]

ol_schoola:

how so?

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justinh:

dust!

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ol_schoola:

me keep clean cave, me no like dirty floor

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justinh:

not floor get dirty. glass collect dust with help from static

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ol_schoola:

it does occupy slightly (ahem) more time to keep shiny

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ol_schoola:

it really does reflect just like the gloss graphics, tho

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justinh:

gloss is the new linuxmce

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justinh:

much hype about one man's valiant quest to get dugg

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iamlindoro:

except linuxMCE can actually record TV

[18:05:25]

iamlindoro:

aside from the rest of it's crappitude

[18:05:29]

ol_schoola:

$200 USD at costco, three shelves (glass) each with a metal subframe and two arched wooden side struts, also with free standng plasma mount on an optional spine

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iamlindoro:

gloss can't even do that

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justinh:

but mythtvnews.com said it's how mythfrontend WILL look eventually, so taking that as gospel.. OMH teh pythons!

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ol_schoola:

<hiss>

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justinh:

what do you expect me to say? OMG look at teh aw3s0m3z ?

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Aval0n:

cmon justinh, mythtv is the old and busted and linuxMCE is the new hotness...

[18:12:11]

Aval0n:

jew know d1ss

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** justinh looks for some 4x2 **

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Aval0n:

muhaah

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** Aval0n runs **

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justinh:

I know it'd be unsporting to wish misfortune on other projects, so I won't

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Aval0n:

lol

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sulan:

guys, from time to time my mythbackend dies... and i need to run /etc/init.d/myth-backend stop/start to get it up running again

[18:14:23]

Aval0n:

you could always code some buggy plugins for them to help them along :)

[18:14:27]

phoohb:

HELP! I just compilled MythTv. BUT, its inititial script cant connect to the MySQL server! (cant see what is missing..

[18:14:31]

phoohb:

Any ideer

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Aval0n:

sulan: check the logs

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Aval0n:

phoohb: check user name and password on your mysql database

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sulan:

Aval0n: well, there's nothing there until it comes back up...

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justinh:

phoohb: does the database exist?

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Aval0n:

and make sure you have it set correctly in mythtvsetup

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Aval0n:

sulan: check the logfile

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Aval0n:

from command line

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Aval0n:

which is where you configured it to be.

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phoohb:

Aval0n: I have (I istalled dtabase/mc.sql, and also set the previlage mentioned in the documents)

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sulan:

Aval0n: /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log i take it? that's where I'm looking

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Aval0n:

/var/log/ somewhere probably

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Aval0n:

sounds logical

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Aval0n:

bbiab

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justinh:

phoohb: is mysql running? can you log into it with the 'mysql' command?

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sulan:

phoohb: is it listening for connections through tcp/ip?

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justinh:

anyway. s'time to go 'ome

[18:18:20]

Aval0n:

WoW is down for maintenence

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Aval0n:

which means I have to actually pay attention in class

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Aval0n:

doh

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sulan:

phoohb: $ sudo netstat -plnt|grep mysql

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Aval0n:

sulan: have you configured mythtbackened to point to your mysql server IP and database?

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Aval0n:

127.0.0.1 if on same machine?

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Aval0n:

err

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Aval0n:

sorry

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sulan:

Aval0n: :)

[18:20:28]

Aval0n:

that was for the phoohb

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Aval0n:

lol

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phoohb:

wait, I just trying to again, by hands, seams that the auth isnt correct after all

[18:20:53]

Aval0n:

'typical'

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Aval0n:

:)

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Aval0n:

bbiab

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sulan:

[mpeg2video @ 0x2aef0245efb0]00 motion_type at 25 21

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sulan:

[mpeg2video @ 0x2b48db484fb0]slice mismatch

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sulan:

[mpeg2video @ 0x2aef0245efb0]invalid mb type in P Frame at 11 22

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sulan:

[mpeg2video @ 0x2b48db484fb0]00 motion_type at 3 28

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efexpee:

how do i transfer songs to ipod without having to delete everything in ipod

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iamlindoro:

efexpee, what in the world does THAT have to do with MythTV?

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sulan:

I have 17478 of those in an half hour... is that normal?

[18:23:03]

iamlindoro:

sulan, generally an indicator of poor or damaged signal. As long as it's watchable it's nothing to worry about

[18:23:33]

sulan:

iamlindoro: great. Is MythTV known to be sensitive to damaged mpeg2 streams?

[18:24:15]

iamlindoro:

sulan, no more so than anything else. You can have a pretty damaged stream and still have it be watchable.

[18:24:59]

sulan:

My hunch is that MythTV croaks over some particular error in the mpeg2 stream

[18:25:13]

sulan:

Can't figure out what, though.

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iamlindoro:

doubtful, since it's just dumping it to disk, not really interpreting it.

[18:25:42]

iamlindoro:

but anything's possible

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orkid:

anyone here use ati vivo ?

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orkid:

(mostly video in)

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stevenh:

anyone hear if there will be linux drivers for the new hauppauge HD card that records via component input?

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iamlindoro:

yes, there will be

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iamlindoro:

although it's a box, not a card, but no big deal

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stevenh:

nice, i'll look forward to trying it out.

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phoohb:

Nooo.. the installation cant connect to the mysql-server, I have tried everting (there must have bean something missing in the dependece)

[19:07:40]

phoohb:

Are there any Debian users here?

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iamlindoro:

phoohb, *dozens* of people come in a day with variations on the "can't connect to database" problem. It is *never* anything distro-dependent, and almost *always* a failure to read carefully

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iamlindoro:

the one thing I will say is to make sure you have libqt3-mt-mysql installed

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phoohb:

iamlindoro: Okey, I didnt have it, but nw I do.

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phoohb:

So now I try again

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phoohb:

Another error insted ( Fatal Error: Audio not configured... Im comming back

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Ribs:

ribs@ps3:~/myththemes$ ./configure

[19:12:54]

Ribs:

Project ERROR: Please run ./configure

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Ribs:

that's a new one :)

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iamlindoro:

Ribs, The myth themes install is just a "dummy" install anyway, you need to put a --prefix= in

[19:13:45]

iamlindoro:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local (or whatever for your distro)

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iamlindoro:

then "make" which doesn't really do anything, then make install

[19:14:01]

Ribs:

hrm, didn't have to before

[19:14:08]

Ribs:

configure still fails

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npurciful:

SVN trunk LiveTV causes buffer underruns but watching record doesn't. it does it only on HDTV, cpu max is 50%

[19:14:18]

Ribs:

and, of course, make and make install also fail

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Ribs:

interesting

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iamlindoro:

phoohb, What spefici myth program are you trying to run?

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iamlindoro:

er specific

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npurciful:

any ideals anyone

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directhex:

ls

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directhex:

bah

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npurciful:

ahh, i fixed it

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npurciful:

that was a stupid problem to have, i uncheck the extra audio buffer

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Kazan:

hmm

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justinh:

iamlindoro: never distro dependent? ah you mean apart from the folks who use ubuntu & don't read the friendly popups ;)

[20:17:06]

iamlindoro:

Well, true... I suppose the failure to read could apply to any number of things

[20:17:50]

iamlindoro:

Although I admit in your example it *is* a distro dependent failure to read rather than the ordinary variety.

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otwin:

hmm, is anybody here using trunk with via xvmc?

[20:20:26]

justinh:

my days of using via xvmc are well & truly over :)

[20:21:06]

iamlindoro:

VIA XvMC and trunk seem like they pull in opposite directions to me

[20:21:47]

otwin:

justinh: it's just a matter of time until i follow your example :-)

[20:22:02]

otwin:

frontend crashes on livetv: http://pastebin.ca/901615

[20:23:07]

otwin:

it's on minimyth – so it theoretically could be that it's not a mythtv problem

[20:24:05]

justinh:

I miss minimyth a little. don't miss the epia tingy though

[20:24:16]

otwin:

and i saw a post on the users list: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/315619

[20:24:34]

justinh:

yeah there's been a bit of an issue with that for a while

[20:24:52]

justinh:

I dunno if any active devs use epia kit anymore, so stuff can easily get broken

[20:24:53]

otwin:

justinh: whatever i replace my epia with, it will be minimyth compatible

[20:25:14]

otwin:

really like it

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justinh:

otwin: my new frontend is almost minimyth compatible. only needs a network module built for it

[20:26:02]

justinh:

I can build minimyth in much less time now so when I get some free time I might. not that my nfsrooted ubuntu install is slapshod in any way

[20:26:15]

otwin:

you might ask pablo to include it

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justinh:

I think I prefer being in control tbh

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otwin:

:-)

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justinh:

no more trying to debug issues nobody else can reproduce via the forum

[20:28:27]

otwin:

yeah, but i can't really remember how to setup a proper frontend (lirc etc.) thanks to minimyth – well, we'll see.

[20:28:39]

otwin:

what board did you get to replace the epia?

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otwin:

and i wonder if i should get intel or nvidia onboard graphics – SD only

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Kazan:

somebody save me.. google's trying to eat my soul :D

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Kazan:

google employee saw me talking code somewhere an is trying to recruit me :D

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iamlindoro:

everyone knows nobody in mythtv-users uses Google

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blackest:

they do its a great way to waste the day

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iamlindoro:

The hell they do. If people in here used Google we wouldn't have to answer the "can't connect to backend" question until we require medical treatment for anxiety.

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blackest:

only 9 hours of googliing and i now have a working printer/scanner

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Kazan:

lol iamlindoro

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Kazan:

ouch blackest

[20:39:50]

blackest:

well getting it working as a printer easy as a scanner as root easy , running as a user real pig

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blackest:

and to be honest I couldnt tell you why it works properly now

[20:42:03]

blackest:

you don't have to be pig headed and stubborn as a mule to use linux but it helps

[20:42:57]

blackest:

one less problem now, even got myth weekly builds updated two weeks in a row without problems

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iamlindoro:

'comes in handy hereabouts, too

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blackest:

anyone know much about vlc is it smart enough to resync audio when its gone a bit off

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blackest:

my new sat pvr is being buggy

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iamlindoro:

blackest, There's a key command that's analogous to mplayer's [ and ] to shift audio about, so you could do it manually, just can't recall what... also, it can be done from the Open dialog (offset the audio)

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blackest:

i think the problem comes when the signal has a wobble and data gets lost and corrupted

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iamlindoro:

blackest, yup

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iamlindoro:

blackest, The easiest way to solve the problem *permanently* is to transcode with ffmpeg and use option -async 1

[20:46:29]

blackest:

the audio keeps on going but the sync progressively gets worse

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iamlindoro:

rather than dicking around with the audio each time

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blackest:

hmmm

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opentrinity:

hi guys

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blackest:

ffmpeg -i BIG\ MOVIE.ts -map 0:0 -map 0:2 -target pal-dvd bigmovie.mpg

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blackest:

where would i add -async 1 ?

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iamlindoro:

anywhere between the first filename and the last

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blackest:

ok i will attempt it again :)

[20:50:19]

iamlindoro:

The async will only work if you're actually transcoding the audio, btw, if that conversion is just an -ac copy, then it won't fix anything

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blackest:

-ac copy ?

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blackest:

that command should be taking an mpeg.ts file and making the secondary audio track the main one

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iamlindoro:

I'm aware of that, but that's muxing, not transcoding.

[20:52:43]

iamlindoro:

you need to *transcode* the source audio to another format in order for -async 1 to work

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blackest:

what would you suggest

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blackest:

a divx movie would be nice with reasonable resolution

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iamlindoro:

Any number of things... if it's MP2, transcode to an MP3 track or an AC3... if it's AC3, transcode to AAC

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iamlindoro:

all just depends on what the soruce audio track is

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iamlindoro:

er source

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blackest:

erm mp2

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iamlindoro:

then transcode to 2 Channel AC3 or MP3

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iamlindoro:

so long as you transcode the audio, -async 1 will work fine

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blackest:

ok i am ignorant how would i do that

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adac2:

were can i set the path to my videos and music so that mythv can play them?

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iamlindoro:

adac2, Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->general

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blackest:

http://pastebin.ca/901643

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adac2:

iamlindoro: What do I have to start? the setup?

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adac2:

mythtv-setup ß

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adac2:

?

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iamlindoro:

adac2, why don't you just *look*? there are only two programs it could possibly be in...

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Dagmar:

adac2: You'd really better get used to poking around in the menus until you find what you're looking for, becuase theres _lots_ of setup menus

[20:59:47]

Dagmar:

Literally dozens of pages of settings in the frontend alone.

[21:00:21]

Dagmar:

Most of us who've been using the thing for awhile can't give you more than a vague answer about some of them because basically _we still_ find the stuff by just wandering around in the program until we hit what we were looking for.

[21:00:27]

kahrytan:

anyone try hvvr-1600 w/ mythtv?

[21:01:27]

blackest:

adac2 frontend

[21:02:14]

blackest:

i think its still not got a driver

[21:02:21]

iamlindoro:

ffmpeg -i infile.ts -map 0:0 -map 0:2 -acodec libmp3lame (depending on your ffmpeg, may be just "mp3") -ab 128000 -ac 2 -vcodec libxvid (again, possibly "xvid" for you) -b 2M (or set your own bitrate) -s 720x576 outfile.avi

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kahrytan:

HVR-1600 has a ivtv driver .. in beta.

[21:02:45]

iamlindoro:

blackest, The point was for him to have to spend a little effort himself instead of just having us tell him everything. Especially for such a silly question.

[21:03:17]

iamlindoro:

blackest, The ffmpeg line above will work for your purposes, but I forgot to add -async 1, put that after -ac 2

[21:03:48]

iamlindoro:

kahrytan, The experimental driver is analog only right now, there are very few people using it with myth, if any.

[21:04:19]

kahrytan:

iamlindoro-> It works.

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kahrytan:

driver works for analog

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adac2:

blackest: thx

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iamlindoro:

kahrytan, Did you read what I said? I didn't say anything about it not working.

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iamlindoro:

and I *said* that it was analog only.

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kahrytan:

yah. im gonna try it with mythtv. just asking around

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adac2:

iamlindoro, Dagmar: sorry^^

[21:05:49]

kahrytan:

and i can read (http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Cx18#Questions.2C_etc.)

[21:05:59]

iamlindoro:

It's likely to work exactly like a PVR-150 in almost every way, currently.

[21:06:14]

kahrytan:

sometime, it will have qam support

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Dagmar:

adac2: No need to be sorry. I'm just trying to warn you that this is actually kinda a pain in the butt you'll have to deal with

[21:06:57]

Dagmar:

adac2: Everything else with myth is more or less cake, but that part.

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blackest:

ok i think i have a working transcode :) thanks iamlindoro

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Dagmar:

If I could figure a _decent_ way around it, I'd have already tried to code it

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iamlindoro:

blackest, That should give you an xvid with MP3 audio, in sync, at 720x576, with 2 Mbit bitrate... for your archival, you may want to up the bitrate some, but that was just to give you the idea

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iamlindoro:

also, for real archival single pass is no good, you'd want to do two-pass

[21:08:41]

adac2:

Dagmar: It is just my pc on which I'm working right now is very slow (only few ram) ...so it is really pain in the ass yes

[21:08:42]

Dagmar:

...which is time-consuming for obvious reasons.

[21:08:47]

adac2:

I just try things out

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blackest:

i am not good with the spells at least now i have a working template

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iamlindoro:

blackest, OK. All up to you. Minimally, you will probably want to punch the bitrate up a bit. But you'll get the hang of it

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Dagmar:

"Spells"

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Dagmar:

Hmm... probably not a bad choice of words, actually.

[21:11:08]

Dagmar:

They definitely count as arcane invocations.

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blackest:

its looking good so far

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blackest:

right audio track and in sync so far

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blackest:

nice i am transcoding on one pc and streaming it as it does it and playing it with kafeine as it does it

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iamlindoro:

blackest, for your reference, what async 1 does is takes the audio and *forces* it to start and stop in the same place as the video, doing any stretching along the way that's necessary

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iamlindoro:

or squishing

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blackest:

over how long does it squish stretch

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iamlindoro:

the length of your video, of course...

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adac2:

Dagmar: is there no xml file or something like that where i can configure this things?

[21:14:49]

iamlindoro:

blackest, The video and audio in a container are seperate entities that just *happen* to sync up when correct... when you lose data from one and not the other, they happily continue independently and out of sync... this makes sure the length of both end up identical, thus preserving the sync.

[21:15:12]

blackest:

at the start and the end

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iamlindoro:

and at various points in between

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blackest:

what happens inbetween

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Dagmar:

adac2: Nope. It all gets stored in the MySQL database, so even if it means wandering around in a bunch of menus it'll be easier than writing a bunch fo SQL statements.

[21:15:42]

iamlindoro:

Think of it as adjusting itself between "audio keyframes"

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iamlindoro:

ie, it uses timecode and not framenumbers so that the timecodes match, and corrects with stretching only when necessary

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blackest:

hmm not too bad so far amazing how little audio has to shift to be noticeable

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Dagmar:

75ms is usually enough to start being noticeable

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adac2:

Dagmar: ok I see...but this menu...I don't know ;)

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blackest:

before it was like a jackie chan movie

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Dagmar:

Don't be dissin' Mr. Chan

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orkid:

why not

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Dagmar:

'cuz he actually appears to be as decent a guy IRL as his characters usually are

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blackest:

its still quite noticeable

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Dagmar:

...which is bloody rare.

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Dagmar:

Besides which, the asian community has a whole different idea about audio sync. he

[21:18:45]

Dagmar:

h

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blackest:

however still no where near as bad as earlier

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iamlindoro:

blackest, nothing's perfect when you're dealing with a broken source... and watching it while you transcode it (avi fix indexes are at the END of files, not during them) is a bad way to judge.

[21:19:11]

orkid:

it just depends if you're anal or not

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orkid:

:P

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iamlindoro:

s/fix/file/

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Dagmar:

When you watch stuff like Hero, you begin to see that they simply don't put that much importance on audio sync, since it's clearly meant to be a drama that you're buying into (or why are you watching it?) so whether someone _sounds_ like they mean something becomes more important than whether or not it really looks like what they're saying

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Dagmar:

I've got a bunch of imported Jackie Chan stuff

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jams:

this stinks a remote frontend can watch livetv, but attempting to watch a recording fails.

[21:21:18]

Dagmar:

There's definitely a different approach to filmmaking going on there

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blackest:

hmm audio is early now

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Dagmar:

jams: That's just weird, actually.

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justinh:

Dagmar: a lot of dialogue in films & TV isn't original soundtrack anyway thanks to ADR :P

[21:21:52]

iamlindoro:

blackest, stop watching until the file is *DONE*

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Dagmar:

From the standpoint of the frontend, there's not a huge lot of difference between a recording and live TV

[21:22:07]

iamlindoro:

like I just said, AVI indexes are at the END of the file

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jams:

Dagmar- yeah it's odd

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Dagmar:

justinh: Yeah, but the culture in question also has a lot "invested" in voice actors, so if someone's voice doesn't really feel just right to the director, they'll replace as much of it as necessary

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iamlindoro:

and when fixing audio sync, there *will* be moments where video speeds up to catch audio, etc., but it will ultimately regain sync

[21:23:02]

blackest:

ok the fps has dropped off a bit now

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justinh:

Dagmar: they use soundeylikeys? didn't know that

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blackest:

so i will wait

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Dagmar:

justinh: I've got this one old Chan film that god only knows IF there's even a copyright on, but it's about the time in China when they were occupied by Japan, and one little school fought against them and everyone was killed.

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jams:

http://paste.bigbudden.com/view.php?id=14773

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blackest:

its hitting a few probs i think 0x85470e8]concealing 238 DC, 238 AC, 238 MV errors

[21:24:36]

jams:

that message about "GetRecordBasename found no entry" stands out ot me

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Dagmar:

I mean you can tell if a certain voice actor is one you've heard before, but the guys they use are _really_ good orators. They might look like shmucks IRL tho, so a better or more appropriate looking guy will have half of all of his lines just flat out dubbed in

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iamlindoro:

blackest, those are just messages related to the damaged stream... don't need a blow-by-blow of the transcode ;)

[21:25:26]

Dagmar:

American films seem to kinda have this rule about "it's got to look absolutely real" but you can tell some pretty cool stories just the same without worrying about technical details

[21:25:26]

blackest:

actually when it comes to voice dubbing i was killing myself at the weekend watchin a bit of a polish translated porn film

[21:25:39]

justinh:

bah hurry up compiler!

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iamlindoro:

Who cares about the audio sync or language in polish porno?

[21:25:53]

Dagmar:

A lot of Chan's earlier stuff was dubbed simply because he was still sucking at English

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justinh:

ccache has done me no favours with all the changes in major libs lately :(

[21:26:01]

Dagmar:

He could say the words, but his accent was too thick

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blackest:

it was really bad english dialogue kinda posh english but then the polish sound track was even better , see poland tends to have one guy speaking all the dialogue in polish and it seems it was the usual bloke

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blackest:

i think he needed the money that week

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Dagmar:

I saw an interview with him once where he talked about the first _American_ production he did, and he had a problem with the insurance guys because while they really work up those fights as stunt acts, the stuff where he just swoops up a wall, bounces off a tree, and goes into a window like a monkey on crack, he would actually "just do" and they freaked out about it because it's dangerous

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Dagmar:

He actually complained a little bit there about them insisting on having spotters clutter up everywhere. Heh

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blackest:

having a bloke do the voices for a lesbian sex scene is sureal

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Dagmar:

Bruce Lee films seemed mainly like violence-fests to me, but the Chan stuff and the people he worked with, the fights were pretty much all about being uber-nimble instead of a bare-handed killer

[21:29:33]

Dagmar:

I'm going to try to forget I saw that line.

[21:29:41]

Dagmar:

I sure as hell dont' want to think about it.

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justinh:

wah I wanna test my new patch :(

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blackest:

it was so badly done it was brilliant, even the english sound track was obviously a dub

[21:31:31]

justinh:

some films have parodied the bad lip sync, somewhat brilliantly ;)

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blackest:

actually you remember the guys who used to do the thing with the b movies

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Dagmar:

Heck, I've gotten used to subtitles even lately

[21:32:53]

Dagmar:

MSTK3000

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blackest:

they would be excellent on dodgy porn films

[21:33:14]

Dagmar:

the only way people can watch "Manos: Hands of Fate" without taking a swing at whoever brought the DVD over.

[21:33:46]

Dagmar:

...and if you watch that one, remember you were warned. Don't take it out on me.

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blackest:

i hope i forget about it before it comes on

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Dagmar:

Manos: Hands of Fate is so bad that the stations that carry the MST3k reruns hardly ever show it.

[21:35:52]

Dagmar:

Pearl and her henchman, both of them, at different points during the thing, get on the transmitter away from the other one and secretly apologize to the guys, because they feel like with this one they've "just gone too far"

[21:36:05]

blackest:

ok going off shopping while that film encodes and later i get to see how good iamlindoros incantation was

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iamlindoro:

blackest, That's not *my* incantation, that's improvisation... my real incantations are wayyyyyyyyyy longer ;)

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blackest:

"Manos the hands of fate" is without a doubt the most inept and atrociously awful film ever made. Its poorness is so extreme that of itself it is the film's strongest selling emphasis. The script is non-existent, the acting makes Steven Seagal look like a member of the Royal Shakespeare Company and the editing could have less horrendously botched by a blind Eskimo with no arms. It is also painfully slow. this film makes its

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Dagmar:

Yep. That's the one.

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directhex:

oh come now

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Dagmar:

The only reason anyone should ever watch it is if they deliberately want to see the worst possible film.

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directhex:

there have been great advances in bad filmmaking since that was made

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iamlindoro:

I bet writing a review for something so awful would be quite fun

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directhex:

i mean, christ, look at uqe boll's entire catalog

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directhex:

uwe

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Dagmar:

directhex: Quest For The Egg Salad runs a close second to it

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Dagmar:

No way

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Dagmar:

Uwe did *masterworks* by comparison

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blackest:

well if it gets a reasonable result from this satbox recording it'll be worth it, been considering using the pvr150 on it

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Dagmar:

I've got some friends and we do actually set out to watch _bad_ B films, but that Manos one is really beyond horrible

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Dagmar:

Yeah right

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Dagmar:

You're going to want to hit someone after you watch it

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directhex:

http://uk.rottentomatoes.com/m/manos_the_hands_of_fate/ says 8% positive; http://uk.rottentomatoes.com/m/alone_in_the_dark/ says 1% positive

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directhex:

uwe boll is statistically much worse. he also has a 2% and two 4% movies

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Dagmar:

Hah

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blackest:

well imdb rates manos at 1.8 and quest for the egg salad scores 3.9

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Dagmar:

You don't believe?

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directhex:

his best movie ever has 11% positive

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Dagmar:

yeah I think the QFTES people actually shilled that up a bit

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Dagmar:

MHOF has thousands upon thousands of people who detest it

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directhex:

quest for the egg salad isn't rated on rotten tomatoes, it lacks competent industry reviews

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Dagmar:

It *looks* like something some college kids put together with photoshop and some decent steadicams

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directhex:

also, manos is the 16th worst movie on imdb

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Dagmar:

The packaging of the DVD itself isn't actually any indication of how awful it is

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Dagmar:

directhex: I promise you, if you watch Manos: Hands of Fate, you will agree that it is easily worse than anything Uwe Boll ever did.

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Dagmar:

You just... you just have no idea.

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blackest:

hmm i love the if you enjoyed this film we reccommend Anal Paprika 3: Menage-A-Death tagline Wickedness hides in the butts of the young

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directhex:

imdb shows uwe's worst as 50th (alone in the dark)

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directhex:

blackest, sounds good!

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directhex:

100th is another bollwork

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Dagmar:

To put an analogy to it, you're expecting to see a car wreck, and what you'll get is something along the lines of 1,000 mangled corpses falling from the sky, the pieces assembling themselves into forty foot monstrosities of limbs and weapons, and begin chopping each other up.

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blackest:

Excellent movie, although the alleged working title for this one,"RectalOregano", apparently didn't go over terribly well with test audiences.Neither did "Cumin My Sphincter".

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directhex:

wait, 30th is house of the dead, ANOTHER bollism

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blackest:

i didnt write this just quoting btw

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I love that the new Paris Hilton movie is the worst

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Dagmar:

This is a bit of a tangent function in action. Approaching zero the rabbit hole goes ever faster downwards.

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blackest:

ok got to go shop shuts in 14 minutes

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stowaway-atwork:

yo oy

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stowaway-atwork:

How advanced does one need to be to write plugins for mythtv? and would they be written in c++?

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Dagmar:

They can be written in Python as well, apparently.

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Dagmar:

Take a look at the existing plugins.

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Dagmar:

If you can figure 'em out, you're probably going to be able to code one.

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stowaway-atwork:

yeah. good idea.

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justinh:

Dagmar: python isn't coming for a long while yet

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justinh:

hope it never does tbh

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stowaway-atwork:

I agree. Im mid-way thru learning c++ I dont want to learn anothre language.. i like C++ coz its similar to pascal which i already know.. kinda

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justinh:

I've not done too badly so far IMHO

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justinh:

started reading a book on c++ but tbh it's way more fun just to dive in

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Dagmar:

directhex: From a friend of mine who is also a conoisseur of bad movies... "<oddball> Uwe Boll movies are works of art in comparison"

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Dagmar:

We don't see eye to eye about whether it's worse or better than QFTES tho

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stowaway-atwork:

are makefiles just scripts?

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stowaway-atwork:

bash scripts?

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justinh:

stowaway-atwork: they describe how to make the finished article AFAIK. I've not delved into it at all & I do ok.

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justinh:

with mythtv the make files are automagically generated I think – configure & the .pro files are the ones you need touch

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justinh:

and only then if you're adding new stuff

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justinh:

as in new files

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justinh:

the plugin howtos in the wiki cover enough to get you rolling anywy

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stowaway-atwork:

well im just learning C++ currently. all the linux shit. im just going to get a good understanding for of c++ then ill go deeper into all the other stuff

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stowaway-atwork:

im hoping that doing plugins will just involve alot of including already written sources and writting a little myself...

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justinh:

realistically a lot of what you want to do will be just that. nobody likes inventing the wheel

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justinh:

it's not as easy as 2+2 but the majority of things I've looked at are easy enough to make out. where it gets complex is the real behind the scenes stuff

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stowaway-atwork:

well im learning it so i can add my own tv seires addon. i reckon i can get it done within 6months. Coz so far (even tho im starting from the basics) im enjoying it

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stowaway-atwork:

I want to have 2 menu selections. 1 for my videos/movies and 1 for my tvshows.

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jams:

nice.. i'm getting smooth SD playback with vmware

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jams:

Dagmar- updated myth and that playback issue went away.

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Dagmar:

Yay for fixes

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jams:

yeah

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jams:

i didn't see any commits to account for it, but not going to press my luck =)

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snecker:

noob question – how do i set video scan to progressive permanently?

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snecker:

have googled and deinterlace settings cannot be found

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snecker:

running trunk

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iamlindoro:

deinterlace settings are in playback profiles in trunk, under TV Settings->Playback

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snecker:

iamlindoro, nice one, thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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imperfect-:

Hi. I'm having a stupid issue and I need some help.

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imperfect-:

I've got a myth box that's been working great for months

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imperfect-:

Now suddenly and without warning the frontend won't start on the backend machine

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imperfect-:

I can run a frontend anywhere lese and place content, just not on the backend box

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imperfect-:

2008-02–02 10:42:29.302 Switching to square mode (Iulius)

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imperfect-:

mythfrontend: Fatal IO error: client killed

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imperfect-:

Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy

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edman007:

i can't change channels and i get this in dmesg when i try 'tuner 0–0061: Tuner has no way to set tv freq', does anyone know how to fix this (i recently upgraded the kernel to 2.6.24.2 and upgraded the firmware)

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edman007:

i also see this http://pastebin.ca/900845 and i have all the tuners enabled in the kernel config so i don't know what it means it is disabled in Kconfig

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code-er:

ok, i got a pvr150 that records at 720x480 right? and tv-out that outputs 72x480, so why when i watch tv playback its not full screen?

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directhex:

default on most distros is 480x480 for capture

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directhex:

for some reason

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code-er:

directhex: how do you change it?

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directhex:

no idea. haven't used analog tv since discovering fire and language

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code-er:

:-P

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bio_:

settings – tv – recording profiles

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code-er:

nop its 720x480!

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code-er:

its set to 720x480

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code-er:

so why is it not the full screen

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code-er:

?

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code-er:

VDec: vo config request – 720 x 480 (preferred col orspace: Planar YV12)

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code-er:

soo

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code-er:

why is it that a pvr150 that records at 720x480 and tv-out that outputs 72x480, the tv playback its not full screen?

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code-er:

(its not wide enough)

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justinh:

code-er: a lack of overscan probably

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code-er:

justinh: no its not that

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code-er:

justinh: the myth menu is full screen.

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code-er:

height seems good, but the width is off by like 2–3 cm on each side

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justinh:

wrong aspect setting in tv playback settings?

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code-er:

dont see aspect setting in playback :-S

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code-er:

there it is

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code-er:

override is "OFF"

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justinh:

wooyeah – got the playlist options menu setting autoexpire off now :)

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code-er:

so any ideas?

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imperfect-:

justinh:

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imperfect-:

Ever seen this:

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imperfect-:

2008-02–02 10:42:29.302 Switching to square mode (Iulius)

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imperfect-:

mythfrontend: Fatal IO error: client killed

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imperfect-:

Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy

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justinh:

imperfect-: I prolly have. damned if I can remember what caused it or how I fixed it

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imperfect-:

sigh

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imperfect-:

My frontend won't start on my backend

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imperfect-:

it's irritating

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imperfect-:

I can't watch TV

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justinh:

imperfect-: is that with -v all ?

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code-er:

any ideas?

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imperfect-:

for the log?

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justinh:

might be theme related imperfect-

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justinh:

imperfect-: backtrace is probably necessary

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justinh:

code-er: try playing a recorded file in another player. see if it's the recording or mythfrontend's playback

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justinh:

code-er: also check the tv playback overscan settings

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imperfect-:

justinh: How do I fix that ?

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imperfect-:

justinh: I mean I've chosen other things

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code-er:

justinh: playhback overscan??

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justinh:

imperfect-: build it with debuggering enabled & run it under gdb

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justinh:

code-er: yeah

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imperfect-:

I've got a strace log

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imperfect-:

;)

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code-er:

justinh: in setting-> tv playback?

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justinh:

imperfect-: strace might not be granular enough

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justinh:

better than nothing though

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justinh:

code-er: yeah

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justinh:

code-er: defaults should be 0

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code-er:

code-er: oh that yes x and y is 0

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code-er:

code-er: mplayer is full screen

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code-er:

code-er: it seems liek the picture is SQUARE (not retengal)

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directhex:

what res is your tv running at?

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code-er:

directhex: gfx is running at 720x480

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code-er:

Option "metamodes" "720x480 +0+0"

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code-er:

fx 5200

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directhex:

it's *definitely* running at that? run "xrandr | grep '*'"

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imperfect-:

justinh: I mean it just randomly started for like no reason

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justinh:

imperfect-: out of memory?

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imperfect-:

justinh: 2gig

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imperfect-:

justinh: nope

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justinh:

imperfect-: no naughty background automagical updates?

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code-er:

justinh: any idea?

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code-er:

*more ideas

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imperfect-:

justinh: updates for what?

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