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Saturday, February 9th, 2008, 00:01 UTC

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tjcarter:

basically, no matter which node I specify, node 0 gets its channel changed

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tjcarter:

is there someone here who happens to understand these things enough to help debug?

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CCFL_Man2:

wow, i forgot about nslookup on freebsd

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Dibblah:

Oh, wow. I have just had an intimate experience with what someone else (apart from Myth) calls a 'release'.

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directhex:

Dibblah, which app specifically?

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Dibblah:

KDE4. Errr... It's just not ready for primetime.

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Miranda_:

hmm, stupid irexec won't load 'mythfrontend' if it's started from an init script

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directhex:

Dibblah, so it's like kde3 then!

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Dibblah:

KDE3 is not too bad, I believe.

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directhex:

Dibblah, not IME

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Miranda_:

How would I append a DISPLAY= to an lircd command?

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Miranda_:

s/DISPLAY/prefix

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Miranda_:

blah

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Miranda_:

s/append/prefix

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Dibblah:

But... The shipping multiprotocol messenger thing doesn't do IRC, sound is a mess, there's no way to restore sane behavior to the 'launcher' without reference to the internet...

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Dibblah:

Miranda_: How do you mean?

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Miranda_:

Like I want to start mythfronted like 'DISPLAY=":0" mythfrontend'

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tjcarter:

is it normal for channel changing over firewire to not work if two boxes are daisy chained?

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Miranda_:

but from my lircrc

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Dibblah:

Miranda_: Your setup is probably broken.

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directhex:

Dibblah, that sounds pretty normal kde behaviour to me. my experience had the multiprotocol messenger crash on connect, no sound, and nothing useful in the launcher

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Miranda_:

Dibblah, it's not. I'm trying to start mythfrontend with my remote

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Dibblah:

Run irexec with a proper environment.

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tjcarter:

The box that is node 0 is always doing the channel change, and unless the changer is broken in a way I don't understand, that shouldn't happen

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Dibblah:

Don't fiddle round in .lircrc ;)

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Miranda_:

I don't understand what you mean 'a proper envorionment'

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Miranda_:

it's starting via an init script

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Dibblah:

DISPLAY=:0.0 irexec ...

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Miranda_:

ahh

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Dibblah:

Could be worse. I'm thanking my lucky stars for insomnia.

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Dibblah:

I decided the install didn't go too well. So I thought I'd just restore from backup.

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Dibblah:

rsync -a --delete /mnt/backup/mymachine/ /

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Dibblah:

Checked it was doing something sensible, went to bed.

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tjcarter:

=(

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Dibblah:

Got up 20 minutes later to realise I had a data directory mounted that it was cheerfully deleting.

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Miranda_:

Okay, I don't know how to make the environment sane...

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Dibblah:

Thank goodness I have too much rubbish in my data directory – there's 1.4Tb in there, of which it only killed 1.4Gb.

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Dibblah:

Miranda_: What does the init script look like (pastebin)

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Miranda_:

http://pastebin.com/m193053ff

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xand:

wtf "There's guide data until 2022-06–21 15:21 (5246 days)."

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tjcarter:

hm, I am using another sa3250 channel changer, but this patch http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2059/sa3250.patch has been attached to a ticket for like 2 years now..

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tjcarter:

is there a good reason it's languishing?

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tjcarter:

xand: that looks wrong ;)

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xand:

really? :P

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Dibblah:

Miranda_: I'm afraid I really can't help much at the moment.

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Miranda_:

Dibblah, heh. ok

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Dibblah:

Oh dear. It appears to have removed my database.

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tjcarter:

xand: I don't think there's much I can suggest offhand other than checking the output of the listings grabber

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tjcarter:

or the input more likely

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xand:

there's some gibberish

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xand:

d a tnem et o ,e SaPs-naMyPs-n nemDsoe eswvdLste ewPsos. autyNsuue e Rvstste.T t owsae es

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xand:

exxa aonssonesuDxa s

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xand:

is the title ;)

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xand:

corrupt data from ota epg perhaps, I don't know

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xand:

nevermind, it's only two programs... one in 2011 and one in 2022

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xand:

I shall remove them

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tjcarter:

argh! Everyone says to just use myth's internal channel changer

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tjcarter:

that only works if you AREN'T connecting the box via svideo

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xand:

dvb ftw

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Miranda_:

No dvb for me

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** Miranda_ kicks atsc **

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tjcarter:

Am I the only one in the world who uses a firewire channel changer?

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tjcarter:

Google is proving to be next to useless here

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Kazan:

tjcarter: ir blaster

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tjcarter:

Kazan: with two boxes stacked on each other?

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tjcarter:

Kazan: that's not gonna work well

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Kazan:

firewire is about as reliable as "i really wish the MPAA and RIAA would stop all this DRM crap"

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tjcarter:

Kazan: ONE box works great

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Kazan:

two blasters

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Kazan:

each one taped over the receiver on the box

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tjcarter:

they both change channel with the same remote.

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Kazan:

and blocked from getting to the other boxes receiver

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Kazan:

(ie duct tape over it so the only receiver that can see it is the one it's taped over)

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tjcarter:

If one box changes channel reliably 100% of the time over firewire, why would two fail?

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Kazan:

the firewire driver is confused?

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Kazan:

firewire the one and irblaster the other

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tjcarter:

I am using http://bentonroberts.com/personal/media-serve . . . ch-BR.c/view

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Kazan:

block the firewire'd ones receiver

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tjcarter:

and -n 0 and -n 1 change the same box's channel

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Kazan:

try using -p?

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Kazan:

they on diff controllers? :P

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tjcarter:

they are daisy chained. I asked half an hour ago if that was a problem

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tjcarter:

-n is supposed to take care of that

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tjcarter:

I can do a hub, but different controllers may not be easy.

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Kazan:

turn on verbose?

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Kazan:

got a way to dump a list of nodes?

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Kazan:

on your firewire

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tjcarter:

http://pastebin.ca/896857

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tjcarter:

updated with a plugreport output

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tjcarter:

node 2 ... isn't really there, I don't know what's up with that.

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CCFL_Man2:

hah

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CCFL_Man2:

i never knew the end of a domain name actually ends in a dot

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CCFL_Man2:

www.mythtv.org.

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Kazan:

i have an edit on that script for you

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GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man2: It's how DNS knows you are terminating the FQDN and not just specifying a host

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tjcarter:

Kazan: oh?

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Kazan:

wish it had line numbers

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Kazan:

there is a binary or (single |) where it should be boolean or (||)

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tjcarter:

it should the pastebin should

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tjcarter:

oh, the source code.

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tjcarter:

is the | followed by a space?

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Kazan:

if ((requested_device == -1) |

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Kazan:

followed by a newline

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tracer903:

how do you use s-video out as your only screen? not working at all at this time. mythbuntu 7.10 geforce4 mx440

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tjcarter:

line 158

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Kazan:

doesn't give me line numbers

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Kazan:

next line is if requested_device == i ....

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Kazan:

tracer903: nvidia-glx documentation

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tjcarter:

the thing that basically sets device = i

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justinh:

tracer903: mostly by RTFM on the nvidia drivers, or possibly using mythbuntu's control centre thingy

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Kazan:

yes tjcarter

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Kazan:

have you tried using the channel changer in verbose mode?

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tjcarter:

I looked for that kind of thing for a freakin hour before I started ranting..

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tjcarter:

yes, that's the pastebin =)

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Kazan:

oh.. now i recognize that output

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tjcarter:

That patch doesn't fix the problem unfortunately

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tjcarter:

I sort of didn't think it would

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tjcarter:

do you see a similar problem further down?

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Kazan:

the device var isn't being used by the actual send

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tjcarter:

oh you're kidding me.

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Kazan:

nope

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tjcarter:

handle, 0, cmd, 3

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tjcarter:

...

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Kazan:

it's always using node 0 isn't it :D

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** tjcarter rips his hair out. **

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Kazan:

change vc1394_transaction_block(handle, 0, cmd, 3, 1); to vc1394_transaction_block(handle, device, cmd, 3, 1);

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Kazan:

+a in front :P

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tjcarter:

graaa

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tjcarter:

that was it

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tjcarter:

I'm a moron for missing that.

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Kazan:

hehehehe

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Kazan:

no

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Kazan:

easy to miss the obvious

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tjcarter:

Here I am looking for || and && in some silly-ass if statement that's not right (and there was one, just one that didn't matter for my purpose)

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tjcarter:

and I totally overlook that the fecking node is hardcoded.

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Dibblah:

Who would have thought that restoring a backup could cause so much fun when you do it wrong? :(

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tjcarter:

Dibblah: I would have, but I've done it more than once. ;)

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Kazan:

ok.. i'm afk now

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Kazan:

laters

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fatejudger:

I'm having difficulty configuring mythtv with my video card. After configuring the card, I'm not able to use the "watch tv" function in the frontend. Am I doing something wrong?

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: so multirec is turning out to be less useful than intended =(

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: after going through the painful process of removing all of the channels that don't work over firewire (> 100) from the Firewire input and those that do from the S-Video input and setting the whole thing up to work with input groups....mythfilldatabase breaks it. =(

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tjcarter:

Can't create two virtual lineups from one source on SD.

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justinh:

tjcarter: s/intended/envisaged (in your case). multirec is great! I can record 10 shows using one tuner!!

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justinh:

right now it's only of any benefit to people with digital tuners – and was probably only ever likely to be AFAIK

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tjcarter:

it was billed as the holy grail for people with STBs and s-video connection

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justinh:

who said?

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tjcarter:

that's kind of the whole point of input groups

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tjcarter:

to specify that two things that are different cards share the same source

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tjcarter:

In fact, the help text in mythtv-setup specifies that's exactly what it's for.

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tjcarter:

It just cannot be used that way in practice

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justinh:

no, input groups are for cards with more than one input that can't be used at the same time

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tjcarter:

Myth already knows how to do that

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mzb_d800:

if mythfilldatabase is breaking your changes, specify the "--update" option

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tjcarter:

Myth knows my svideo and composite use the same encoder chip

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tjcarter:

it does not know that my firewire and svideo use the same STB

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tjcarter:

that is the purpose of input groups

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justinh:

oh wait you're right of course. it's for that _and_ inputs on different cards that are the same thing

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justinh:

did you stop mythbackend before making the change & restart it afterwards?

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tjcarter:

yes

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tjcarter:

the issue was that the channels I deleted (because firewire doesn't work for them) were readded the moment mythfilldatabase saw they existed

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justinh:

ah for that you can't bind them to the same 'video source'

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justinh:

if the channel lineups are different you have to use a different 'video source'

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tjcarter:

you can't (SD limitation)

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justinh:

can't have more than one 'video source' ?

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tjcarter:

SD says if you have digital cable and set up a lineup with it, then you cannot set up another lineup with that source

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justinh:

tricky

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tjcarter:

so I cannot create a firewire-okay-channels source and a s-video channels

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tjcarter:

I have to feed both with the same program source

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tjcarter:

I think mythfilldatabase --update will do what I want

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justinh:

tjcarter: lemme think about this for a sec

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justinh:

damnit. you can't do that either – i.e. mark the firewire channels you can't get as 'hidden'

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tjcarter:

but the ideal solution is for SD to support creating two lineups out of the same program source

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justinh:

well you _could_ mark them as 'hidden' but that's only any use if they're on a different lineup

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mzb_d800:

I use mutlirec ... and I also have a modified channel table ... --update works for me

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justinh:

tjcarter: the real ideal solution would be for 5C to not exist at all ;)

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tjcarter:

that would be more ideal yes

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tjcarter:

I'd just get a QAM card then

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justinh:

tjcarter: then you'd not have to pee about with svideo ;)

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tjcarter:

justinh: just wondering, have you tried glass-wide with darker backgrounds?

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tjcarter:

I found that all of the ones you provide look better with a 50% opacity black on top of them ;)

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justinh:

I'm normally skeptical about IPTV & all the hype surrounding it but it's gonna be great if they just open it up & only send what you're paying for

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tjcarter:

more contrast

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tjcarter:

yeah iptv is a maybe.

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justinh:

tjcarter: all a matter of individual taste. the whole idea was for people to use their own

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justinh:

looks nice with black IMHO

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fatejudger:

none of you guys know why I can't view live tv?

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fatejudger:

or can help me figure it out?

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** justinh mutters something about reading the docs & setting it up properly **

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fatejudger:

yeah, I did

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justinh:

fatejudger: 1. you've only said it doesn't work. 2. you've not given any more information. need input

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fatejudger:

I use mythbuntu, so most everything is configure through the initial setup dialogs

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fatejudger:

do you want me to look up some logs?

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justinh:

1. does the tuner work outside mythtv? 2. is mythbackend actually running? 3. what's in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log ? etc etc etc etc etc

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fatejudger:

I'm not exactly sure what information would help you

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fatejudger:

to the first question, yes

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fatejudger:

yes, mythbackend is running

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fatejudger:

when I try and configure it, it makes me shut it down first

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justinh:

it does that. it's for the best

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fatejudger:

when I attempt to view live tv, it simply displays a black screen and locks up for a good minute and a half

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justinh:

fatejudger: backend log & frontend log output would illuminate us

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justinh:

in a pastebin

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fatejudger:

http://pastebin.com/d405e59af

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fatejudger:

there's the log

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justinh:

pasting more than 3 lines in here gets you in bad books right away

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fatejudger:

there's about a dozen in /var/logs/mythtv

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justinh:

fatejudger: what kind of tuner card?

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fatejudger:

PVR-350

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justinh:

fatejudger: wrong kind of tuner card set up in mythtv-setup. you left it on the default & it should be mpeg2 encoder

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justinh:

it doesn't autodetect that stuff. might one day

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fatejudger:

hmm

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fatejudger:

let me quickly change it and see if it works

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justinh:

might not work but it'll do a load more when it's set to the right card type! ;)

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justinh:

and I suppose there's no point advising you not to get a pvr350 card since you already have one. ach well. can't win em all

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fatejudger:

why, are they bad?

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justinh:

not sure if 'bad' is the word I'd use but on a reasonable system they're a waste of money IMHO

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fatejudger:

two PVR-150s were more

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justinh:

tv out on VGA cards is much better than it used to be, and having an mpeg2 decoder on a pci card imposes more limits than advantages

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fatejudger:

if you factored in the cost of the remote

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fatejudger:

my computer isn't exactly fast

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fatejudger:

P4, 1.25 GB of RAM

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fatejudger:

plus I use it as my desktop, not as a server

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justinh:

yeah ok – you'll have 30% or so more cpu free to play with then

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fatejudger:

I can't seem to find the option you asked me to switch

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fatejudger:

it doesn't even mention an mpeg2 encoder in the tuner setup page

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justinh:

way I look at it is this: 1. no digital audio output. 2. mp3/xvid/divx/etc audio comes out of your soundcard not the pvr350 audio out. 3. no benefit for non-mpeg2 material whatsoever. 4. tvout isn't really any better than modern graphics cards

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CCFL_Man2:

anyone here do c band?

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justinh:

fatejudger: card type: MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500)

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fatejudger:

justinh: I don't see that anywhere in the backend setup

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justinh:

fatejudger: in mythtv-setup, within 'tuner cards'

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justinh:

select the tuner card you setup, then you'll see it's still set as 'V4L... '

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tjcarter:

okay, I think maybe it doesn't quite work.. I get status F when I try to record on the firewire channel Myth says there's no input available. No input is in use ;)

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tjcarter:

Tuner 3 is unavailable it says

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tjcarter:

no idea what that means

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justinh:

fatejudger: in that box, use the left & right arrow keys to change it to MPEG-2 encoder card

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tjcarter:

yeah I don't get it

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tjcarter:

not terribly sure it's worth it for the networks

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tjcarter:

networks in HD? pfft

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fatejudger:

justinh: you there?

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tjcarter:

yay! Law & Order reruns and America's Top Reality Crap Show in HD..

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fatejudger:

justinh: the mythtv backend locked up

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** tjcarter may just give up on the firewire video thing =p **

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mzb_d800:

anyone familiar with the Silverstone ML02?

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mzb_d800:

(intimately;)

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tjcarter:

If 5c were one thing, I'd suggest we mount an effort to remove it from further impact ;)

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fatejudger:

justinh: I just selected "watch tv", and it logged me out of my X session

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fatejudger:

that can't possibly be good

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lanuser:

I can't for the life of me, disable screen blanking in xorg, can someone glance at me xorg.conf and let me know if you see anything wrong please? http://www.pastebin.ca/896927

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Miranda_:

lanuser, xset -dpms -s off

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Miranda_:

put that in your xinitrc

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justinh:

fatejudger: crashed X huh? never good. time to pop into #mythbuntu & drill them for answers methinks

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fatejudger:

damn, it's a mythbuntu problem?

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Miranda_:

How can I pull up the program guide while watching live tv?

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clever[rev]:

justinh: if mythtv is in his xinitrc then a segfault of mythtv would end his whole session

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Miranda_:

clever[rev], depends on how it's called

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clever[rev]:

yeah

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clever[rev]:

but thats 1 way a mythtv problem can cause X to 'crash'

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Miranda_:

fatejudger, what's in your xinitrc?

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justinh:

Miranda_: press M then select the relevant menu option :)

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fatejudger:

Miranda_: I'm not sure

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Miranda_:

justdave, nothing I can bind to the remote control?

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justinh:

Miranda_: sure. you need to RTFM on keyboard commands in mythtv

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justinh:

then bind a remote key to that

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zabadapp:

I have a dvb-card and an analog card, and both have the same channels. If I insert both the freqid (analog) and the mplexid+serviceid (dvb) for a channel, I assumed I could zap to it and get a picture for the currently selected tuner (switching with Y) ... but I only get noise on analog, dvb is fine.

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Miranda_:

justdave, I'm reading now, but from your statement, there wasn't a single keyboard command that would pull up the guide during livetv.

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lanuser:

Miranda_ will do, thanks

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justdave:

thought the S key was supposed to bring the guide up during livetv

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zabadapp:

(analog works fine if I add a separate channel for it without dvb-info ie mplex+service)

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Miranda_:

S brings up the OSD for the channel you're currently on

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Miranda_:

you can browse through the nearby channels, but it's no guide

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Miranda_:

well, I'llbedarned

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Miranda_:

justdave, you are correct, I'm an idiot

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** justinh is saying nothing **

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justinh:

don't ever listen to the voice of experience or anything :P

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justdave:

S doesn't do the OSD on mine... enter or spacebar does (I forget which – it's bound to the select key on my remote)

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zabadapp:

s brings up the guide when watching a recording or a video with the internal player as well

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zabadapp:

(and when you exit you return to the dvd you're watching ... the global jumppoint to the guide should do that automatically for the internal player imho ... now I need two buttons on the remote for EPG)

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TelnetManta:

so I just upgraded to the latest trunk

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TelnetManta:

now when running mythbackend I get an error "Cannot locate your home directory. Please set the environment variable HOME or MYTHCONFDIR"

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TelnetManta:

How can I fix this?

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phlipped:

hi all

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iamlindoro_:

TelnetManta: Running on what platform?

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phlipped:

anyone able to help me get up and runnig with Myth? Never used Myth before, pretty experienced with Linux tho. Got given a TV tuner by a friend (hybrid analog/digital) but have no idea how to set it up in Myth? Any ideas on where I should start? It's a Leadtek WinFast DTV2000 H, I have MythDora freshly installed, am in Sydney, Australia

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TelnetManta:

iamlindoro_: I found it

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iamlindoro_:

phlipped: If you are experienced with linux, you should just be looking at the mythdora wiki for a walkthrough

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TelnetManta:

thanks though!

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iamlindoro_:

TelnetManta: ok

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythdorawiki.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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TelnetManta:

Now Im trying to figure out why my scheduled recordings are broken.

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Miranda_:

TelnetManta, delete your entire setup and start over

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Miranda_:

phillipped

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clever[rev]:

that often works but is painfull

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Miranda_:

clever[rev], painful, but faster than fighting an existing dB

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TelnetManta:

Miranda_: I just started with a new install

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clever[rev]:

you could rename the existing db

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Miranda_:

Mine was a new install too

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clever[rev]:

or switch to a new name

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TelnetManta:

I did keep my DB though

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clever[rev]:

so it appears blank but you can undo it once you confirm it was the db

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TelnetManta:

might try that

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TelnetManta:

lots of setup to go through as you said

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iamlindoro_:

Heh... Universal HD confuses Myth's Commflagging in the worst way

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michael__:

hello

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michael__:

does anyone know what path lirc would be on in mythbuntu?

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iamlindoro_:

depends on what you mean. Lircd.conf is in /etc/lirc, lircrc is it ~/.mythtv/

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tjcarter:

svn is presently not very stable ;)

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michael__:

im not sure what i mean.. im trying to get the lcd working on my antec case.. and it says i have to patch lirc.. the command is : atch -p1 < /path/to/lirc-0.8.2-imonlcd-0.1.patch just not sure on the path

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michael__:

not even sure if i have the right version of lirc

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iamlindoro_:

to patch lirc, you need to have lirc source code, and to be compiling it from source. mythbuntu lirc is packaged, not compiled.

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Led-Hed:

michael__, you dont know what version of the source you downloaded?

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iamlindoro_:

He hasn't downloaded the source at all... and apparently, he hasn't downloaded the patch either

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Led-Hed:

lol

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michael__:

haha.

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iamlindoro_:

This is bound to be an uphill battle

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michael__:

ive downloaded the patch

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michael__:

just not the source

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michael__:

no ill get it.

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iamlindoro_:

you run the patch command from within the lirc source directory, pointing it at the patch you downloaded

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iamlindoro_:

then you configure and compile lirc

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iamlindoro_:

then you install it

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michael__:

okay. i have a rough understanding now.. there is an optino to download it.. i thought it was already installed (didnt realise i needed the source)

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Led-Hed:

michael__, you realize that LIRC has nothing to do with the LCD on your case right?

[03:01:21]

iamlindoro_:

That's the 10-mile-up view

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michael__:

yeah lirc is to do with remotes.

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iamlindoro_:

Led-Hed: It may. LCDProc and lirc work together in many cases (one being antec fusion black)

[03:01:56]

michael__:

my lcd also has a i-r receiver in it. that could be why its asking me to do it.

[03:02:06]

michael__:

but im really just following a step by step page.

[03:02:13]

michael__:

its clearer to me now. thanks :)

[03:02:14]

iamlindoro_:

michael__: For which case?

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro_, well that depends is he trying to get the remote working or the LCD to display Myth information

[03:02:22]

michael__:

yeah the antec fusion

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michael__:

i evenutally want both. but right now im focusing on the lcd display

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iamlindoro_:

the antec fusion black isn't *too* painful... now my Zalman case... *that* hurt

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Led-Hed:

michael__, then dont worry about LIRC

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, apt-get build-dep lirc before you attempt to build lirc, that's my only bit of advice

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iamlindoro_:

likewise with lcdproc

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michael__:

cool. okay. well hopefully that will be one of the steps on the webpage

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Led-Hed:

recompiling LIRC wont make the LCD work no matter how you do it

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Led-Hed:

you need to look for info on LCDProc and Antec Fushion

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michael__:

will do. thanks

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iamlindoro_:

michael__: http://hubpages.com/hub/How-to-configure-an-A . . . lay-on-Linux

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Led-Hed:

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-611469.html

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iamlindoro_:

michael__: That will help you get both set up, and that's from a mythbuntu perspective

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TelnetManta:

Okay, I upgraded to the newest release because I thought there was a problem with the old version I was using. When I try to watch tv I get a signal lock (Im on sat/dvb) but the picture doesnt display. After a few seconds I get a message that an error occured.

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TelnetManta:

Running ubuntu and the latest myth trunk

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iamlindoro_:

TelnetManta: Is it an encrypted channel?

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TelnetManta:

no

[03:08:53]

TelnetManta:

fta

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TelnetManta:

nasa

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TelnetManta:

219

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iamlindoro_:

you'll probably want to look at a more verbose log to know why it's failing

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iamlindoro_:

ie, mythbackend -v most

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tjcarter:

I have NV 6100 and when the OSD pops up, the whole screen starts looking like its interlaced. Is that fixable?

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TelnetManta:

iamlindoro_: it may be time to clear my chans and do a rescan

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TelnetManta:

its been about a year

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iamlindoro_:

tjcarter: if you're running SVN, you might try the opengl OSD

[03:10:22]

iamlindoro_:

TelnetManta: Yeah, perhaps... never hurts!

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TelnetManta:

iamlindoro_:

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TelnetManta:

iamlindoro_: "2008-02–08 22:07:45.017 ProcessPAT: Program not found in PAT.

[03:10:33]

TelnetManta:

Rescan your transports."

[03:10:39]

iamlindoro_:

TelnetManta: Yup :)

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tjcarter:

iamlindoro_: I am seriously considering a downgrade

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iamlindoro_:

tjcarter: I've not run into much trouble with SVN, but all cases are different of course

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iamlindoro_:

tjcarter: I like the opengl OSD because if you use an HD OSD (like metallurgy) then even on SD channels you get an HD OSD

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iamlindoro_:

versus having a majorly ugly OSD on SD channels

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tjcarter:

cool

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tjcarter:

I think I need to stop using VGA for this display

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tjcarter:

it's a cheap 19" and I haven't got a DVI port on the video card, so I'm feeding it with VGA

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tjcarter:

New video card will solve the one problem. Working Mac FE would solve the problem entirely.

[03:14:07]

tjcarter:

Future will solve the problem with proper HDTV ;)

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iamlindoro_:

I *love* this show on Discovery HD, "1000 places before you die," but these people they sendtraveling are *idiots*

[03:18:38]

iamlindoro_:

erm, 1000 places to see before you die

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro_, you get DiscoveryHD on your Myth?

[03:24:21]

iamlindoro_:

Led-Hed: Yep

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Led-Hed:

how? Firewire Capture from the CableBox?

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iamlindoro_:

I'm lucky enough to get 99% of my channels via firewire

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Led-Hed:

ahh

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Led-Hed:

Some day I'll get a HD Cable box and try it out to see what I can get.

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Led-Hed:

Next time they run a Promotion

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iamlindoro_:

I love it, but I think I'll be replacing firewire with the Hauppauge HD PVR in a few months

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Led-Hed:

Though HD would require my upgrading all my Frontends

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro_, why? Firewire have some drawbacks?

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iamlindoro_:

because it'll mean getting 100% of my stuff instead of just almost all of it, plus everything I archive I resize to 720p and transcode to h.264... which the HD PVR can do in hardware

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro_, I thought HD capture cards couldnt get the "Premium" channels

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iamlindoro_:

Led-Hed: The Hauppaughe HD PVR is a component capture box

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Led-Hed:

so its analog

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iamlindoro_:

Led-Hed: A new type of device that will capture the raw component video and do hardware encoding to h.264

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iamlindoro_:

yes, but it's also HD

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Led-Hed:

humm

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iamlindoro_:

there will be some quality loss, but it will mean instantaeous resizing and encoding, and a perfectly clean stream.

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Led-Hed:

so its external, thus no need for Linux driver support?

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iamlindoro_:

It'll need a driver, but there will be one on release

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Led-Hed:

have a link to it?

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iamlindoro_:

only the press release announcing it

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/googl . . . ;newsLang=en

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iamlindoro_:

No other *official* information released yet, but we've got some info on it on the DL

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Led-Hed:

any idea on price?

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iamlindoro_:

It's right there in the press release

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iamlindoro_:

$250

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Led-Hed:

thats not bad

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Led-Hed:

sorry. Havent finished reading it yet. :)

[03:32:03]

Led-Hed:

Duhh $249

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Led-Hed:

Wow 2hrs @ 4.7 GB. Thats not bad

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iamlindoro_:

Although realistically you'd want to set a much higher bitrate (closer to 8 GB/hour)

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Led-Hed:

I have to upgrade my backend's storage.

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Led-Hed:

only 1TB right now.

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Led-Hed:

and its full

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Miranda_:

booooo

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, I'm getting dangerously close to maxing out 3 TB right now

[03:36:12]

iamlindoro_:

And I know I'd be tempted to keep even more without transcoding once that box is out :)

[03:36:41]

Led-Hed:

I'm looking into getting 4x 1TB drives, but I'm skeptical of their reliability

[03:36:42]

Miranda_:

iamlindoro_, do you RAID?

[03:37:00]

Led-Hed:

RAID 5 here

[03:37:10]

Miranda_:

I'm too poor for RAID

[03:37:10]

iamlindoro_:

Miranda_: Yes, RAID 5, so currently 2.25 usable... I think I'll add another 750 when there's a decent sale

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Led-Hed:

Miranda_, how so. Software RAID is cheep

[03:37:28]

Miranda_:

iamlindoro_, I saw a fry's ad earlier today in the paper

[03:37:36]

Miranda_:

Led-Hed, no, the drives

[03:37:44]

iamlindoro_:

I figure at my current rate of comsumption, I can fill a 750 once a season if I don't transcode

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Led-Hed:

Miranda_, ahh

[03:37:48]

Miranda_:

I can't throw down $500 on drives :0

[03:38:16]

Led-Hed:

Me either. But I'm gonna have to soon. of my 7 drives just took a dump last weekend.

[03:38:30]

Led-Hed:

and I cant rebuild. (3Ware Blows)

[03:38:50]

Miranda_:

I'm seriously thinking of buying a terraserver

[03:38:54]

Led-Hed:

gets to 20% and dies

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iamlindoro_:

I really do love Linux software RAID... once you get it properly tweaked, it can do so much

[03:39:24]

iamlindoro_:

Miranda_: I like the Terastations, they're not bad... I built my folk's myth box to use one as the mythvideo store

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro_, and if the card goes bad, you dont have to buy a duplicate card to retrieve the data

[03:39:41]

Miranda_:

iamlindoro_, and those are frickin expensive too

[03:39:49]

iamlindoro_:

Miranda_: It's far cheaper to just do software RAID in linux, though (and that's all the Buffalo systems are, anyway)

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iamlindoro_:

There are some nice NAS mini distros floating around

[03:40:14]

Led-Hed:

same with most SATA RAID these days.

[03:40:19]

Miranda_:

iamlindoro_, the only box I have that has enough room for 8 drives is my old camera system at work

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Led-Hed:

Software, not necessarily Linux Soft RAID

[03:40:49]

Led-Hed:

the Antec Sonota can hold 8

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Led-Hed:

thats what I use

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Miranda_:

and I'm on the fence about building *another* pc just for RAID that I can't hotswap

[03:41:11]

Led-Hed:

ya Hot Swap would be nice.

[03:41:12]

iamlindoro_:

Miranda_: Well, if you went all USB drives you could hotswap

[03:41:24]

Miranda_:

iamlindoro_, but taht would slow them down, eh?

[03:41:37]

Miranda_:

uptime

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Miranda_:

21:55:22 up 193 days, 6:25, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

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Led-Hed:

not sure the performance would be there if the drives were all USB

[03:41:46]

iamlindoro_:

Miranda_: Sure, there's a bit of a performance hit, but it's not bad at all

[03:41:51]

Led-Hed:

thats a wasted server

[03:41:58]

Led-Hed:

Load Avg. LOL

[03:42:00]

iamlindoro_:

my MD is all USB drives... just got to make sure to spread them out across the USB channels

[03:42:06]

Miranda_:

Led-Hed, hehe

[03:42:16]

Miranda_:

Led-Hed, it's gonna go up soon, putting distcc and backend on it

[03:42:30]

iamlindoro_:

Granted, I wouldn't want them all on one hub, but still, it works perfectly for mythvideo and recordings

[03:42:36]

Led-Hed:

iamlindoro_, so all the drives are External?

[03:42:41]

iamlindoro_:

Led-Hed: yep

[03:42:50]

Led-Hed:

interesting

[03:43:04]

iamlindoro_:

It's not as though I'm hammering them all the time... recordings are relatively tiny bits of information, even HD ones

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iamlindoro_:

I've run two firewire recordings and an ATSC HD capture, so 3 HD recordings, while playing a Blu-ray rip, with no discernible problems

[03:43:48]

Led-Hed:

On Thursdays I can usually get my all 4 PVR-250's recording at the same time

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iamlindoro_:

and that was just a test, my real-life use case doesn't even begin to approach that

[03:44:24]

Miranda_:

Now that I got this first card working, I think I'm gonna get a dual card or my next one

[03:44:41]

Miranda_:

that way I can tune some broadcast stations in digital

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Led-Hed:

no need for cards if you go Firewire

[03:45:18]

Miranda_:

no STB for me

[03:45:38]

Miranda_:

my myth box is already set-top

[03:45:43]

Miranda_:

I don't need another one :)

[03:46:02]

Led-Hed:

iamlindoro_, so so you think recording 4 HD channels at the same time via Firewire is possible on a single firewire channel

[03:46:10]

iamlindoro_:

Led-Hed: Absolutely

[03:46:18]

Led-Hed:

cool

[03:46:20]

iamlindoro_:

Led-Hed: You're talking *max* 18 Mbit/s per channel

[03:46:27]

Led-Hed:

really

[03:46:30]

iamlindoro_:

Yup

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Led-Hed:

that seems low.

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Miranda_:

but will the set top box tune 4 channels at a time?

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iamlindoro_:

Nope, a 6 Mhz channel will carry max 17.39 Mbit

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Led-Hed:

no, 4x cable boxes

[03:46:54]

iamlindoro_:

Miranda_: Nope, you'd need 4 STBs

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro_, what STB's do you have?

[03:47:28]

iamlindoro_:

Led-Hed: If you want to see really galling, wait till you see what bitrate cable co's transmit their SD channels at

[03:47:39]

iamlindoro_:

Led-Hed: 2 x DCH-3200

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iamlindoro_:

Led-Hed: In my area, Comedy Central is 2.5 Mbit... yuck.

[03:48:25]

iamlindoro_:

Had been capturing via a PVR-150 for so long and been blaming the card... no, it's the cable company's fault

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Led-Hed:

lol

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Led-Hed:

my 4 pvr-250's have been troopers.

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Led-Hed:

continuous usage for the past 4+ years

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Miranda_:

What would you guys suggest for a quick, responsive remote control? My hauppage350 is SLOOOWWW

[03:55:24]

mzb:

anyone familiar with the Silverstone ML02?

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Led-Hed:

Miranda_, I use my old ReplayTV remotes with a LIRC Homebrew receiver

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Miranda_:

mzb, isn't that a computer case? I've got the Antec Fusion

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Led-Hed:

mzb, no, but its pretty

[03:56:22]

mzb:

yes. I'm looking at building a prototype ... and then quite a number (if required)

[03:56:51]

mzb:

will have problems getting the heatsink to suit AM2 (TL07-AM2?) in .au

[03:57:06]

mzb:

so want to make sure that it will all work

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Led-Hed:

iamlindoro_, thatnks for all the info. Night all

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mzb:

I'd prefer to make a slim box, rather than full height if I can get away with it

[03:58:09]

mzb:

put another way ... anyone using a BE-2350 AM2 cpu?

[03:59:13]

mzb:

I *might* be able to make a standalone box ... but initial plan is to use one of the ML02's as FE

[03:59:29]

mzb:

(ie. no hdd, no tuner)

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mzb:

mobo, cpu, memory ... that's about it

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Guyfromhe:

shaw sucks -.-

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Guyfromhe:

i knew I should have just built anotehr damn mythbox

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mzb:

ok, another question: anyone using NVIDIA GeForce 6150 chipset?

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kdubya:

i am

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iamlindoro_:

mzb: I set my folk's myth box up on a AMD system w/ 6150 chipset

[04:06:02]

iamlindoro_:

works nicely

[04:06:08]

mzb:

TV-out?

[04:06:14]

kdubya:

get a real TV

[04:06:21]

mzb:

nope :)

[04:06:27]

mzb:

this system is "suits all"

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iamlindoro_:

In this case, We used DVI

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kdubya:

these things even have TV out?

[04:06:38]

iamlindoro_:

I can't recall whether there was a composite out, though

[04:07:17]

iamlindoro_:

I think the board I used was more or less this one: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131014

[04:07:42]

mzb:

I'm looking at the Asus M2NPV-VM

[04:08:17]

mzb:

which includes: HDTV/AV/AS output module

[04:08:21]

mzb:

(SD and HD)

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, great minds think alike ;) (same board above)

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kdubya:

they got a 7050 chipset now

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iamlindoro_:

The one thing I had to deal with was no optical out, which my folk's receiver required, so I got a Turtle Beach USB box to do that

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mzb:

I'd prefer to avoid 7 & 8 series NV

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kdubya:

why?

[04:11:01]

mzb:

series 8 doesn't have XVmC support for linux (iirc)

[04:11:22]

mzb:

and the series 7 mobo's don't seem to have tv out (from what I can find)

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iamlindoro_:

mzb, are you married to the idea of that silverstone case? It's awful expensive

[04:11:39]

mzb:

not my $ ;)

[04:11:57]

mzb:

all comes down to what "client" wants

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iamlindoro_:

mzb: ah. What are your thoughts on the antec fusion black? I rather liked it

[04:12:05]

mzb:

(and I get to keep the prototype;))

[04:12:17]

mzb:

too tall ... but yes .. that's on my list too

[04:12:17]

iamlindoro_:

It's very sleek and component-like

[04:12:23]

iamlindoro_:

ah

[04:12:24]

mzb:

V2

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kdubya:

that black antec fusion is by far the best looking semi affordable one

[04:13:02]

mzb:

still haven't completed research into the VFD|LCD's yet ... that may ultimately determine the choice

[04:13:14]

iamlindoro_:

Only teeny tiny curveball with it is that it needs lirc/lcdproc to be patched and compiled, but no big deal if you're just going to build a bunch and image the hard drives

[04:13:24]

mzb:

(along with inability to find TL07-AM2 in .au)

[04:13:36]

mzb:

image? heh

[04:13:41]

mzb:

system-imager

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kdubya:

you could always move to the US

[04:13:50]

mzb:

lol

[04:13:53]

mzb:

no thanks :)

[04:13:56]

iamlindoro_:

mzb: That was my point

[04:14:29]

mzb:

but then I've got package caching ... and I've been learning some new techniques as described at linux.conf.au

[04:14:42]

mzb:

system-imager sounds old-hat in comparison ;)

[04:15:00]

mzb:

puppet rings a bell

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Guyfromhe:

wow thats a nice looking case

[04:15:17]

Guyfromhe:

i should have done that

[04:15:21]

Guyfromhe:

instead of that damn shaw pos

[04:15:26]

iamlindoro_:

Guyfromhe: Which?

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kdubya:

yeah i wish i got it too

[04:15:34]

iamlindoro_:

The antec or the Silverstone?

[04:16:10]

iamlindoro_:

(not that they're not both nice, I'm just partial to the antec myself)

[04:16:17]

Guyfromhe:

the antec is nice

[04:16:56]

Tanthrix:

I saw one of those at Fry's the other day. I definately wouldn't mind one if I had the need.

[04:17:05]

Guyfromhe:

how much are they?

[04:17:11]

iamlindoro_:

$150 or so

[04:17:15]

iamlindoro_:

can be found for less

[04:17:17]

Tanthrix:

Still, I prefer my philsophy of treating computers like household mechanicals.

[04:17:19]

Guyfromhe:

my mythbox lives in a closet so I could care less what it looks like

[04:17:35]

Tanthrix:

Guyfromhe: Exactly my setup.

[04:17:52]

Guyfromhe:

but if I was putting one upstairs the equipment is all in the open so it would have to look nice

[04:17:55]

Tanthrix:

No sound or heat issues of any kind. Best way to go.

[04:17:59]

mzb:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . +Motherboard

[04:18:06]

Guyfromhe:

I don't think I could have done it for $500 2 years ago though

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mzb:

my current boxes are mounted under the floor ... no cupboards big enough ;)

[04:18:22]

Guyfromhe:

I got my closet setup for ventilation

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Guyfromhe:

I got holes in the top of it

[04:18:35]

Guyfromhe:

just to let the heat out

[04:18:46]

Guyfromhe:

and lots of fan

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Guyfromhe:

s

[04:18:52]

mzb:

total cost (until recent acquisition of PCI tuner + 500GB hdd) of au$70 ;P

[04:18:54]

ulchm:

hey all, been searching for this for quite some time.. When I go to run the backend and try to tune to a channel I get Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(337) desired (260)

[04:18:57]

ulchm:

can anyone help me out?

[04:19:18]

Guyfromhe:

I think I put like over a g into mine

[04:19:41]

Guyfromhe:

the box I got for $50 (i've been through 4 hand me down boxes)

[04:20:11]

Guyfromhe:

the 350 was $300 the 150 was $120

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mzb:

I think i can make a box the size of a dvd-player for ~au$750

[04:20:26]

Guyfromhe:

300 gb drive was $200

[04:20:40]

mzb:

(FE only)

[04:21:01]

Guyfromhe:

lcd was like $40 (after all the bits I ended up having to get)

[04:21:11]

mzb:

I get the impression I can build a standalone (in a larger case) for about the same price

[04:21:44]

kdubya:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856171002

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iamlindoro_:

mzb: If you do go the full-size route, ie full ATX, I absolutely *adore* My Zalman HD 160

[04:21:56]

kdubya:

that crap is tiny

[04:21:57]

mzb:

actually ... I'll have to reconsider those prices ... as things have changed in the last 24hrs ... FE should be cheaper

[04:22:35]

mzb:

can't seem to find Hiper in .au

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kdubya:

newegg is pretty much the only place i can find them

[04:22:56]

kdubya:

most places seem to be en europe

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iamlindoro_:

That *is* a nice little box

[04:23:39]

iamlindoro_:

Would be nice to know more about the chips in it

[04:23:42]

kdubya:

yeah

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kdubya:

it doesnt even say what chipset it is

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iamlindoro_:

I fear it's ATI

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kdubya:

i dont think it is

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Guyfromhe:

thats an aw4esome thing

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iamlindoro_:

yup, radeon

[04:24:18]

kdubya:

their website has older version on it

[04:24:53]

kdubya:

where does it say radeon

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kdubya:

the ones on the hiper website all have MSI 6150 boards

[04:26:00]

mzb:

*must* have nv ... can't find anything small enough in barebone

[04:26:00]

kdubya:

but that specific model is not on the website

[04:27:28]

kdubya:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . iper;#269321

[04:27:29]

kdubya:

nvidia

[04:28:04]

iamlindoro_:

That's good news

[04:28:11]

iamlindoro_:

Nice little box, then

[04:29:17]

iamlindoro_:

cheap, too, all things considered

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kdubya:

yeah looks like a nice remote

[04:29:54]

kdubya:

wonder if that play button is a joystick

[04:29:56]

kdubya:

looks weird

[04:30:58]

mzb:

hmm ... RF remote?

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iamlindoro_:

Hmm, tough to tell what they mean by "IR Ready"

[04:32:28]

iamlindoro_:

but, presumably it has a receiver

[04:33:26]

iamlindoro_:

Nice, even has an IR blaster and MCE remote

[04:36:04]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856171001

[04:36:08]

iamlindoro_:

I think that one's even better

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iamlindoro_:

beter connections

[04:36:31]

iamlindoro_:

er better

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iamlindoro_:

Too bad it's a "deactivated item"

[04:37:44]

kdubya:

why is that better?

[04:38:31]

iamlindoro_:

adds component video out, RCA audio connections instead of minijack

[04:38:50]

kdubya:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817128017 ..... big WTF on that thing

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jams:

are the latest nvidia drivers decent? any major problems or snags?

[04:41:54]

iamlindoro_:

169.09 seem pretty solid (I guess there are some issues with TV-out on 8xxx series board, though)

[04:42:06]

jams:

ok

[04:42:13]

iamlindoro_:

but I only do digital out and haven't noticed any problems (no pinks screen of death, etc)

[04:42:38]

jams:

might as well try them instead of patching the 100.14.11 for kernel 2.6.24.

[04:44:03]

mzb:

hmm ... that HIPER HMC-2K53A-A3 might even be worth the trouble

[04:45:33]

jams:

hope they fixed all the problems with version 1, cause that thing was hot&&loud

[04:45:41]

mzb:

all comes down to client preference (minor;), exchange rates, and shipping costs

[04:46:07]

kdubya:

isnt it just as loud as what you put in it?

[04:46:23]

kdubya:

i imagine 1U cpu coolers are not that quiet

[04:46:27]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article795-page9.html indicated it *is* an ATI GPU

[04:46:57]

kdubya:

iamlindoro_, it shows a picture of the motherboard manual with the model number on it

[04:46:59]

kdubya:

search for it

[04:47:01]

kdubya:

its a 6150

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iamlindoro_:

kdubya: "Changing the motherboard to one using the 690G chipset with integrated Radeon X1250 graphics was an obvious improvement. It provides superior high definition playback, better energy efficiency, and also allows users to use HDMI, which has become the defacto standard in digital TV/video."

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kdubya:

oh well thats gay

[04:47:51]

iamlindoro_:

"The new A3 features another MSI motherboard, but this time, it's based on the newer AMD 690G chipset. The Radeon X1250 IGP allows for HDMI output and improved video playback capability."

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kdubya:

and the switch to ati doesnt have a damn thing with allowing hdmi output

[04:48:13]

kdubya:

there are 6150's with hdmo

[04:48:15]

kdubya:

hdmi

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iamlindoro_:

agreed

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kdubya:

it just uses a regular matx board

[04:49:03]

kdubya:

too bad they dont sell the case alone

[04:50:13]

kdubya:

haha

[04:50:20]

kdubya:

We are also unimpressed by the implementation of power for the built-in IR receiver, through a circuit board plugged into one of the memory slots.

[04:50:34]

mzb:

urrgh

[04:50:44]

mzb:

I2C?

[04:50:50]

mzb:

crude

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mzb:

I'm still favouring the ASUS M2NPV-VM

[04:55:45]

mzb:

1st cause of doubt re the Silverstone ML02 is whether the TL07-AM2 (if I can get one) will be good enough for a BE-2350

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kdubya:

why wouldnt it be?

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mzb:

.au heat :)

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mzb:

without hdd and tuner I'd image it would be fine

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kdubya:

yall still dont have air conditioning down there or what?

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mzb:

but if I want to try a combined FE+BE might have problems

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mzb:

nah ... still using slaves + beer ;)

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mzb:

btw: s/TL07-AM2/NT07-AM2/

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mzb:

newegg doesn't have it either (afaict)

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mzb:

expensive heatsink too

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mzb:

ah ... that's kiwi dollars ;)

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mzb:

hmm <au$50 +post ... half the price of the CPU!!!

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kdubya:

plane ticket to the US is a one time fee

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mzb:

along with woman, child and other baggage ... no thanks

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mzb:

if I had a (good) job to go to I probably would for a few years

[05:08:36]

mzb:

but lifestyle and country far nicer here

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mzb:

imo

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GreyFoxx:

Where do you live now ?

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doobeh:

anyone running mythbackend on a amd geode cpu?

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mzb:

.tas.au

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** GreyFoxx lived in Perth for close to a year a while back. I'd move to Australia again in a heart beat. unfortunately I need to convince the wife of it :) **

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mzb:

:)

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mzb:

funny place Perth (afaik)

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mzb:

hmm ... ok .. can anyone find an AM2 hsf < 35mm ?

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mzb:

might try searching for 1U HSF

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_banyan:

Hello! What would cause a hauppauge tuner to capture video but no audio?

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_banyan:

The other 2 are working fine, but #1 has no sound in the captures.

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_banyan:

Is some module not loaded properly perhaps?

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clever[rev]:

how is the sound psysicaly wired into the card?

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_banyan:

coax.

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_banyan:

meaning, the tuner should get the audio along with the video.

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phlipped:

hi all – I am getting "No such device" when I try to modprobe cx88_dvb – any clues?

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purserj:

phlipped: what card?

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_banyan:

the no-sound capture is coming from a pvr350. Did something change recently that would prevent a 350 capturing sound?

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phlipped:

purserj: it's a leadtek winfast DTV2000 H

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phlipped:

hybrid analogue/digital

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phlipped:

has a conexant chip in it I think

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phlipped:

lspci gives — 03:01.2 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [MPEG Port] (rev 05)

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phlipped:

plus a couple of other lines

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purserj:

phlipped: have you grabbed the latest version of the v4l code?

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phlipped:

umm, not sure – i am using Mythdora, and I just finished doing a yum update myth* on the advice of a friend

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michael__:

hey whats the name of th e other irc client? (not xchat)

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kdubya:

since there are only 2

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mzb:

hmm

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mzb:

$ apt-cache search irc | grep -i client | wc -l

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mzb:

50

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cesman:

phlipped: updating MythTV has nothing to do with getting support for your video card

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cesman:

phlipped: first thing you need to do, is is find out if the device is fully supported

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cesman:

phlipped: check out the wiki at linuxtv.org

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cesman:

if it is, I'd support ensuring you have the kernel headers and get the "tip" from linuxtv

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cesman:

and you should be set

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joobie:

guys anyone setup a usb dvb-t tuner before?

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phlipped:

cool – checking it out now – thanks

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joobie:

guys

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michael__:

where is the option to enable lcd in mythtv?

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joobie:

I just plugged in my USB DVB-T Tuner.. it only came up with this in dmesg / /var/log/messages

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joobie:

Feb 9 17:23:34 joobie kernel: usb 5–5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6

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joobie:

Feb 9 17:23:34 joobie kernel: usb 5–5: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice

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joobie:

this means i need to install the module ya?

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michael__:

yeah

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michael__:

ohh

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michael__:

ignore me

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joobie:

hrh

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joobie:

heh

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joobie:

anyone know wats up with this??

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mzb:

you probably need to get hold of the firmware for that tuner ... do yourself a favour and use google

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dserban:

Hmm question, although it's probably a faw, so you can just respond with a link since google's too smart for me ;). My two different tuners are being detected as different dvices under /dev... how can I make it persistent on every boot?

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mzb:

udev

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dserban:

:) That ... meh how?

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mzb:

that's where google comes in :)

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mzb:

I'll give you a hint:

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mzb:

udev.rules

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dserban:

k i'll search thanks.

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dserban:

yeah I know that too :) but I've never written persistent rules...

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dserban:

I'll go look it up

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dserban:

thanks

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mzb:

so you might end up with a situation where you have:

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mzb:

/dev/tuner/tuner1

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mzb:

/dev/tuner/tuner2

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mzb:

or similar

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mzb:

(for want of a better example)

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dserban:

yep

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mzb:

you can use udev rules to match by all sorts of things

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mzb:

beware that a lot of the things you will find refer to an old version of udev, where the syntax of the rules (and sysfs attributes) is often different

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mzb:

(oops, that's a 2nd hint;)

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mzb:

so check your udev version and take that into account

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mzb:

(2.5? ... or was that implied;)

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dserban:

K will do. Appreciate the heads up.

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dserban:

2.5?

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dserban:

My version's 0.114–2

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_banyan:

Hmm, I have sudden issues doing playback on my pvr350 framebuffer. Something about Xv not initializing?

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_banyan:

I just get a blue screen instead of video. Anyone got experience with this?

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joobie:

guys what is v4l-dvb

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joobie:

i keep seeing mention of it

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joobie:

ahh

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joobie:

video for linux – dvb

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neopsyche:

hello

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neopsyche:

anyone?

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neopsyche:

can someone please help me install mythtv?

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JohnMahowald:

neopsyche: Having problems?

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emory:

You guys able to answer a mythbuntu question?

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emory:

Channel dead?

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JohnMahowald:

Possibly. Ask.

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stowaway:

does anyone use a LCD on their htpc case?

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stowaway:

ive loaded the drivers but im just getting jumbles

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emory:

Anyone know why a MythBuntu system would lock up with a blnking cursor pre-grub?

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emory:

fresh install...

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justinh:

hey joobie! http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=v4 . . . ch&meta=

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Dibblah:

justinh: Where I come from, that's almost rude :)

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Dibblah:

Well, I've almost recovered from deleting my database :(

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justinh:

oops!

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Dibblah:

In a glass-half-full stylee, it means I have lots more free space :)

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justinh:

so, Lenny Henry has branded the TV industry racist... I brand him not funny :D

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Dibblah:

(Can't be bothered relabeling 200+ files that I'll probably never get round to watching, so just let myth_findorphans.pl sort it out)

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mchou:

anyone happen to know if avc3610 can be hacked to work in linux?

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mchou:

looks like decent HW

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Dibblah:

Oh, justinh: mplayer, with no deinterlacing and cores set to 2, does decode BBC HD, with about 160% CPU used.

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justinh:

with no deinterlacing? great

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Dibblah:

... Still not up to SVN, so can't comment there :)

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Dibblah:

Only because I couldn't be bothered figuring out the command line :)

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joobie:

hey guys

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joobie:

i got my tuner card working

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justinh:

mchou: the v4l-dvb mailing list archives might know. users aren't quick to update the linuxtv.org wiki. might also be in the source (!)

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joobie:

and i was following one of the articles on http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Testing_your_DVB_device

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joobie:

i tune with tzap.. then i did cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > output

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joobie:

just wondering how i play the output now? i tried renaming to mpeg and playingbut it didnt work

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justinh:

what did you try playing the file with?

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joobie:

quicktime

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justinh:

try mplayer

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joobie:

im on a mac

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mchou:

saving a few PCI slots would be of great help

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joobie:

do i need a particular codec?

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justinh:

ok then try vlc

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Dibblah:

Renaming won't exactly work on a mac.

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justinh:

or here's a thought – try playing it on the box which is producing it

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Dibblah:

... Damn you, resource fork!

[10:02:25]

joobie:

justinh, it's my linux box.. i only have ssh access to it

[10:02:43]

justinh:

so how the fuck are you going to run mythtv-setup? :D

[10:02:50]

joobie:

hehe:)

[10:02:54]

joobie:

i have to hook up a monitor to it

[10:03:00]

joobie:

for the time being, i just set it up and tested via CLI

[10:03:13]

joobie:

tuned to a channel and captured to a file.. now i want to play it on the mac to see it worked ok

[10:03:25]

joobie:

Dibblah, renaming works on a Mac ?

[10:03:52]

mchou:

why does it need to be renamed?

[10:04:03]

mchou:

it should just play on a mac

[10:04:51]

joobie:

i did this

[10:05:06]

joobie:

cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > output.mpeg

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mchou:

just use your web browser to play it

[10:05:18]

joobie:

so i actually gave the stream from dvr0 that .mpeg name

[10:05:26]

joobie:

what format is it saved in though

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mchou:

mpeg2 ts, iirc

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joobie:

i have to rename to the correct extension – so the interpreter is usde

[10:05:48]

joobie:

is that .mpeg2?

[10:05:50]

joobie:

or .mpeg

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mchou:

that's just standard mpeg

[10:06:28]

mchou:

joobie: just use safari

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mchou:

it should just work

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joobie:

ok

[10:07:18]

joobie:

ill try

[10:07:23]

joobie:

safari

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joobie:

hmm

[10:09:07]

joobie:

when i try in safari

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joobie:

it spawns quicktime internally within the browser

[10:09:21]

joobie:

it spools.. then it puts a big ? on the screen

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mchou:

fucking quicktime

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joobie:

does .mpeg need some kind of header?

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joobie:

like if i tune

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joobie:

then do cat after

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joobie:

it might capture the data mid-way

[10:09:56]

joobie:

or is that fine?

[10:10:00]

joobie:

do i need to do the cat first

[10:10:01]

joobie:

and then tune

[10:10:08]

joobie:

so it starts the stream and it's capturing right at the start?

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mchou:

joobie: stop babbling

[10:10:59]

mchou:

it's all mpeg even if you switch channels during recording

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mchou:

adaptec lamers

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joobie:

ok vlc doesnt view it either

[10:12:01]

joobie:

fuk

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mchou:

they build decent HW but dont provide drivers

[10:12:26]

Davo_Dinkum:

Can a myth frontend be used to view video files stored on the PC?

[10:12:29]

_banyan:

has anyone had their frontend just decide to show a dark blue screen during playback instead of video?

[10:12:47]

mchou:

sigh....

[10:14:28]

justinh:

let's analyse that. 'just decide'. like things can 'just break'. like automagical updates never happen :P

[10:14:40]

mchou:

lol

[10:15:16]

mchou:

_banyan: you display driver is the culprit

[10:15:27]

mchou:

your*

[10:16:08]

mchou:

wish ppl would do some homework b4 asking questions

[10:17:12]

justinh:

mchou: jees – there's only one post in the v4l dvb archive. man! that's a low number, not even a 'me too' question

[10:17:39]

mchou:

wtf does a blue screen have to do with v4l?

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justinh:

mchou: your avc3610 ;)

[10:18:17]

mchou:

no, I think I'm giving up on avc3610

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mchou:

I saw it at a surplus store and was momentarily tempted

[10:19:01]

mchou:

they where selling the bare unit for $15

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mchou:

no cables, no remote

[10:19:20]

mchou:

not even wall wart iirc

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joobie:

guys – on another note.. I ran through the process of generating a channels.conf file and two channels were missing from the output. I am using an external antenna and my TV in the house picks up the other channels that were missing. Is there anything I can do to fix this?

[10:20:03]

mchou:

it would have been fun if I could hack it to work and save myself a PCI slot

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justinh:

oh wait v4l-dvb isn't where it'd be. it's not a digital thing

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mchou:

that would mean I can use a "modern" motherboard instead

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justinh:

even less hope then – analogue devices which work on USB in linux are few indeed

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mchou:

bah

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mchou:

like I said, adaptec is stupid

[10:22:11]

mchou:

apparently they didnt even bother to make Vista drivers for it either

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mchou:

lamers

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mchou:

just decided to orphan everyone in one fell swoop

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cmug:

Hmm, every now and then playing a movie produces weird greenish gibberish

[11:01:12]

cmug:

rebooting the box helps, I wonder is there something more simple that would help?

[11:01:19]

cmug:

reloading some module ?

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justinh:

cmug: using the latest nvidia drivers eh?

[11:05:49]

cmug:

justinh, latest from mythbuntu repositories

[11:06:21]

justinh:

can't remember the offending version – try rolling it back a rev

[11:06:38]

Freman:

hey anyone know what the font is that's used in the mythtv logo?

[11:06:52]

justinh:

Freman: why?

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cmug:

100.14.19 is what I have

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Freman:

cos I'm trying to make a nice bootsplash that matches the rest of the themes

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justinh:

Freman: there's a massive logo somewhere. gimme a sec & I'll find it

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cmug:

i'll try reloading nvidia module

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directhex:

100.x is broken for xv output

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justinh:

Freman: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythextras/logos

[11:08:21]

Freman:

thanks

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Freman:

yes thanks justinh – that'll do very nicely

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cmug:

reloading the nvidia module seems to have helped, thanks justinh

[11:09:45]

cmug:

directhex, can I use something else with DVI?

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justinh:

cmug: you need to roll back the driver to something older, or wait for a fix

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directhex:

justinh, it's fixed in 169.x

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justinh:

ahh

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cmug:

justinh, I'll wait for a fix, or reload the driver when necessary..

[11:10:49]

justinh:

that's cool then

[11:11:23]

directhex:

what you want to google for at this point is "envy milone"

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cmug:

What was that (nvxv?) that uses the Graph card to render the movie offloading from CPU? I had trouble playing 1080p with my AMD3000+ XP

[11:11:46]

cmug:

directhex, me?

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cmug:

apparently

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justinh:

cmug: xvmc. PoS you don't want to use if you can help it

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directhex:

a few grapics cards will offload mpeg2 and mpeg2 only, and it's less than ideal

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cmug:

justinh, ok

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directhex:

makes my dr who recordings slow for some reason, so i disabled it

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[11:13:09]

cmug:

let me get the exact error mplayer was giving

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justinh:

since nobody is broadcasting 1080p I can only assume you're trying to play a 'rip' which is dubious in itself

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cmug:

justinh, yeah a x264

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justinh:

cmug: yous needs moar MHZ !

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directhex:

MOAR!

[11:14:01]

directhex:

MOARRRRRR!

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cmug:

justinh, :-(

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directhex:

try a decent core2 duo, and svn mplayer with a few extra options

[11:14:34]

directhex:

maybe even a quad, with svn

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cmug:

directhex, yes, sure.

[11:14:56]

justinh:

my c2d can almost play h.264 1080p on one core. goes for about 30s then hiccups, then goes ok for another 30s..

[11:15:17]

orkid:

are you sure his playing a 'rip' is 'doubtful' ? (please check the dictionary on words that you're not sure of)

[11:15:34]

justinh:

I didn't say 'doubtful'. I said 'dubious'

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justinh:

'dubious' as in – they don't broadcast 1080p – i.e. it's a download

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orkid:

dubious means doubtful

[11:16:01]

orkid:

uncertain

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justinh:

what is it with assholes & weekends?

[11:16:34]

cmug:

my asshole works better on weekends

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orkid:

plus what's not right about playing a rip?

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justinh:

ok then – a file of questionable integrity

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cmug:

yes, I am just trying to watch our homemade movies

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cmug:

..

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orkid:

oh i see. like it could be borked ?

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justinh:

anyway, you need more CPU to play 1080p if it's not mpeg2 sorry

[11:19:30]

justinh:

without question. no offloading to the GPU. no dice

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cmug:

justinh, no prob, good to know

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cmug:

720p plays fine

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justinh:

video playback has gone back to the dark ages in terms of the kind of machine you need to play the latest content

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cmug:

any chance of exporting the mpeg2 from the x264?

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justinh:

yeah

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cmug:

would that help?

[11:20:45]

justinh:

several howtos know how

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justinh:

and google will know where they are

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cmug:

ok, I can google the how

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cmug:

thanks for telling me I can

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orkid:

i guess not :)

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orkid:

:P

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directhex:

quality will go to the dogs, mind

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ulchm:

hey all, been searching for this for quite some time.. When I go to run the backend and try to tune to a channel I get Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(337) desired (260)

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justinh:

ulchm: sounds like a broadcaster problem to me – or maybe something your provider is doing that isn't standard. In no way atypical

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ulchm:

damn

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ulchm:

I'll keep poking around

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justinh:

ulchm: what that seems to mean is the tables in the stream which contain information about the channels are foobar

[12:02:58]

justinh:

ulchm: if another program can tune to the same channels without any problems, there's hope for mythtv. if not, you might be screwed for a while

[12:06:17]

ulchm:

Myth TV is the only program I know of to do DVB

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justinh:

kaffeine

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AndyCap:

kaffeine, xine, vdr

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AndyCap:

don't think any of them do h.264+aac-he yet though.

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ulchm:

will they work with sasc the same?

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justinh:

ulchm: you can't talk about that in here#

[12:13:40]

anykey_:

ulchm: tip: there's a software available that does work with any dvb application. But that's enough now ;)

[12:14:36]

ulchm:

oh sorry

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mzb_d800:

yeah, the skies will open and swallow the #

[12:16:12]

Davo_Dinkum:

Can a myth frontend be used to view video files stored on the PC?

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anykey_:

Davo_Dinkum: yeah, use MythVideo

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mzb_d800:

yes

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Davo_Dinkum:

k thanks

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ulchm:

do you guys think a channel rescan or something might help me then? or should I figure out how to use kaffeine

[12:17:25]

anykey_:

ulchm: do you have a channels.conf file?

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justinh:

ulchm: if myth isn't parsing the descriptor tables in the stream properly, or they're just plain weird... you don't stand a chance with mythtv just now

[12:18:02]

ulchm:

if by descriptor tablers you mean channels and whats on now, that's working fine

[12:18:15]

ulchm:

just about 30 seconds in (after no video) it throws an error

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justinh:

no I mean the tables in the streams used to describe each channel

[12:18:25]

anykey_:

ulchm: maybe it's only the transport frequencies that are stored incorrectly (happens here). Check the dtv_multiplex/channel tables against a channels.conf

[12:20:14]

justinh:

anykey_: if it's working at _all_ the transports etc are stored correctly

[12:20:32]

anykey_:

justinh: is he getting a lock?

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ulchm:

on top of that problem I have this one too Preview Error: Previewer file '/home/***/filename.mpg' is not valid.

[12:20:57]

justinh:

ulchm: usually means the file doesn't exist

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ulchm:

it doesn't but does it need to?

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anykey_:

ulchm: the OSD has some information about the tuning status. Does it show LMSc or LAMc?

[12:21:26]

ulchm:

I'll load the frontend back up

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ulchm:

one sec

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ulchm:

(LMN) Lock

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ulchm:

?

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justinh:

it's locked then

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tripppy:

ive got a bt878 dvb pci card. how do i get it working?

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mzb_d800:

ulchm: femon in a console can be handy for dvb

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anykey_:

ulchm: i'm out of ideas then..

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justinh:

tripppy: depends

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anykey_:

ulchm: if you've patched myth to use sasc or something like that, I suspect that's where the problem lies

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justinh:

anykey_: it'll be as I suspect – crap information in the service info tables & stuff – typical broadcaster

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tripppy:

justinh, on what?

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anykey_:

justinh: possible, don't really know about all these stuff, it just works (tm) here ;9

[12:24:41]

justinh:

tripppy: on lots of things.s has linux loaded the kernel module(s) for it? have you read any documentation or howtos about testing dvb tuners? have you searched on google for a howto for your make/model of card?

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justinh:

anykey_: not just possible IMHO. more than likely infact. myth has had to have plenty workarounds sewn into it to account for providers who don't follow the rules

[12:27:37]

justinh:

and as you said, using mythtv with _that_ cable stealing software is only asking for trouble

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anykey_:

justinh: yeah, there are others that are way easier to set up ;)

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justinh:

VDR, for one. they accept theft with open arms

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anykey_:

justinh: softcams are not all about theft

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justinh:

yeah yeah whatever

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justinh:

neither are tools you might use to break into a house :)

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anykey_:

justinh: it is completly legal to use a cardreader to read out a conax smartcard and use the keys with a softcam because conax doesn't have licence fees ;)

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justinh:

but if you're caught wandering the streets with a bag full of tools in the middle of the night, people might reasonably assume things

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mzb_d800:

as if recording copyright material isn't bad enough? :))

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mzb_d800:

everything involves shades of grey ;)

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anykey_:

justinh: true ;) lets stop the discussion here, we don't get a point anyway ;)

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justinh:

oh man this Vista PoS is indexing, indexing, indexing

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justinh:

wtf is there to index? it's a newish machine

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** justinh googles disabling the indec **

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AndyCap:

the what?

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justinh:

stupid pointless desktop search that cripples new vista boxes

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AndyCap:

oh. :) got past that around fedora 6. took beagle out behind the shed and shot it.

[12:50:28]

justinh:

stopped the service & the HDD is still rattling away like a goodun

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justinh:

so it's not that!

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justinh:

oh and now it's lost its network connection. nice

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AndyCap:

maybe you need nitrous, uh, I mean readyboost

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justinh:

oh ffs now it's running a file backup thing

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justinh:

she's _this_ close to getting a nice ubuntu box returned to her

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justinh:

that'd be funny

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justinh:

hmmm box can see my router

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justinh:

this is pissed. I fixed it last week. turned it off, booted it back up a few days later. fine. then it 'just' stops worky

[12:55:27]

justinh:

what?!?!?!?!?!?! stopped the backup just for the hell of it, and internet access is resumed. what the FACK?!

[12:55:46]

justinh:

and the HDD is still rattling away

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justinh:

hmmm ubuntuey

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justinh:

ahh 'windows defender' is scanning

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justinh:

I don't think I've ever disliked a Windows as quickly as this since 3.1

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mzb_d800:

lol

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justinh:

oh no way. no effing way is it blocking downloads from grisoft. what kind of effing evil locked-in-edness is this?!

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justinh:

you buy a machine from a shop, it comes with some shite AV software trial version which you've never heard of. you play nice with it until the trial expires & uninstall it. then you go to put one on you've had no bad experiences with in the past, and it won't let you even download it

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mzb_d800:

is that the sound of a new Ubuntu system whirring away?

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justinh:

give it another hour of this & I might

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mzb_d800:

I've given up doing fixit jobs ... I tell them I'll put real software on it as soon as they ask me to fix it.

[13:02:37]

mzb_d800:

the stress wasn't worth the effort

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justinh:

thing is, they use the machine for internet & a bit of itunes.

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mzb_d800:

don't they all?

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justinh:

now if I'd not managed to bork my wife's ipoo with that 3rd party program, it'd have linux on there already

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

I went the other way and got mine an iRiver

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justinh:

let's try downloading avg to a usb stick then

[13:04:31]

lyricnz:

the linux ipod software pisses me off, amarok in particular.

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mzb_d800:

oh it's painful to watch ... the suspense!

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justinh:

this is working fine on the other machine

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tripppy:

justinh, hi, im using ubuntu now, how can i tell if this card will work?

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tripppy:

dmesg and lspci shows its been found.

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justinh:

lspci lies

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justinh:

lspci will tell you it's plugged in & that's about it

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lyricnz:

it just looks up the pci information, it doesn't mean there's adrive

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lyricnz:

r

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justinh:

tripppy: what make/model is the tuner card?

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justinh:

find out, then use google with the make/model and 'linux'

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tripppy:

ok. twinhan dvb-t bt878 chipset. 1080c

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tripppy:

well yeah googled it. people says it works. some say it doesnt

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justinh:

lsmod shows what kernel modules are loaded. grep lets you filter things. | pipes the output of one command into another. lsmod | grep dvb

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tripppy:

xawtv -hwscan says its there i think

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lyricnz:

or dmesg | grep -i dvb

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tripppy:

/dev/video0: OK [ -device /dev/video0 ]

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tripppy:

type : v4l2

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tripppy:

name : BT878 video (Modular Technology

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tripppy:

flags: overlay capture tuner

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justinh:

install kaffeine & test the tuner card

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justinh:

tripppy: dvb devices are /dev/dvb

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tripppy:

kaffine is installed.

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justinh:

so?

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tripppy:

i click on dvb client. the screen is blank.

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tripppy:

how do i tune?

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justinh:

nobody here can test the card for you

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justinh:

RTFM on kaffeine

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tripppy:

yeah ok.

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tripppy:

ooo... sorry. f.

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justinh:

what I usually do to test a dvb tuner is skip kaffeine altogether

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justinh:

some howtos tell you to use dvb-utils & the 'scan' tool

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justinh:

hint ^^^^^

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tripppy:

yeah ok

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justinh:

if a scan is successful that's generally enough to assume it works without actually ever seeing any video

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justinh:

though _tzap_ with mplayer (on a channels.conf file generated by running scan) will let you test that ;)

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tripppy:

ko

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tripppy:

i think ive fucked it.

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tripppy:

thankx. for the help. im just going to throw it in the windows only basket

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justinh:

in some kernels the dvb modules won't get pulled in automatically meaning you have to load them yourself

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joobie:

guys anyone know why this error is coming up -= "X Error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)"

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justinh:

yeah right. give up after 30 minutes. fine by me :)

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tripppy:

justinh, i have tried doing this about 6months ago. same card.

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mzb_d800:

card model?

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tripppy:

twinhan 3020c dvb-t pci card

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tripppy:

works fine in windows.

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tripppy:

i think ive added or removed drivers that load on boot.

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tripppy:

which in turn has fxed it

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mzb_d800:

got the firmware installed?

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tripppy:

firmware? me?

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lyricnz:

Anyone built mythfrontend on mac leopard? I'm having qt complaining about unsupported OSX

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mzb_d800:

either of these help:

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mzb_d800:

(tripppy)

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mzb_d800:

http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/redhat-fedor . . . llation.html

[13:22:51]

mzb_d800:

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=62244

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mzb_d800:

which distro?

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tripppy:

ubuntu at the moment. just to see if i can get it working. then ill install linuxmce

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mzb_d800:

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=twinhan+302 . . . nt=firefox-a

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mzb_d800:

?

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mzb_d800:

if that's the case, stop wasting time :)

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mzb_d800:

looks to me like it works

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tripppy:

ok. thanks.

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justinh:

we should ban that word from here

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mzb_d800:

quote: "For twinhan cards you also need to load dvb-bt8xx & dst."

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mzb_d800:

l*mce?

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mzb_d800:

I was actually interested in the satellite software for pda's ... but as the whole system required grunty machine(s) I gave up on the idea

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justinh:

yup

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mzb_d800:

it'd be nice to have something similar for mythtv one day

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tripppy:

i thougth l*mce used mythtv as its base

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mzb_d800:

ie. touchscreen remote

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tripppy:

mzb_d800, i have all those loaded in /etc/modules

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justinh:

mzb_d800: no it wouldn't. maybe the integration side yeah. not the ui

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justinh:

just wait til everybody sees mythui in all its glory :)

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

I just like the idea of controlling everything from the pda

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mzb_d800:

(running linux)

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mzb_d800:

mythweb isn't good for small screens

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justinh:

pda remote. if you can afford a house big enough to need that just get a servant

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

I want to be able to use the same device (eg. pda) in any room, and have the network know which machine, etc

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mzb_d800:

not that keen on the idea ... just interests me

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lyricnz:

frak. I give up. compiling mythfrontend on mac is a pain.

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cmug:

I would like to use my Symbian mobile as the remote, as the LinuxMCE is doing

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cmug:

with Telnet I know I can

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mzb_d800:

still things you can't achieve

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cmug:

How do I know what is my default ALSA device for MythMusic?

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cmug:

"Opening ALSA audio device 'default'." but no sound.

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DMJC:

anyone got a HDTV card?

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DMJC:

I'm trying to get audio on HD channels

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DMJC:

only getting video atm

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Kazan:

i have an HD card

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Kazan:

if you're not getting audio check your volume

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Kazan:

because digital TV comes to your card as an MPEG2 TS

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DMJC:

http://pastebin.ca/897337

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DMJC:

I know

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DMJC:

but mplayer itself reports NO AUDIO!

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justinh:

heh

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DMJC:

it's the free to air tv feed for all channels so there is definately an audio stream being broadcast

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DMJC:

n/m issue found

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DMJC:

the audio channels are incorrect a mate of mine is looking for the correct frequencies

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justinh:

with digital tv there are no 'audio frequencies'

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AndyCap:

there's pid's but one should be able to sort them out automagically

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joobie:

2008-02–10 01:10:36.299 RingBuf(/mythtv/1001_20080210011034.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/mythtv/1001_20080210011034.mpg'.

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joobie:

anyone know much about that error?

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joobie:

myth is recording fine..when i go to watch i get a blue screen

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joobie:

that comes up in the logs

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joobie:

the file actually exists and the perms are ok

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Capkirk:

problem : i have directory series under my /myth/video dir when i go into video manager to scan and update movies files i get all the files which is under the series/ dir howto exclude the dir in the video manager view?

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Capkirk:

joobie: can you play it normally outside mythtv?

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joobie:

Capkirk, yep

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joobie:

Capkirk, though on another machine

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joobie:

i dont know how to play it on the same machine

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joobie:

like.. to play it the way Myth would play it from the cli

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joobie:

dont know the cmd it would be using to try

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joobie:

.. but it does work on my notebook

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GreyFoxx:

Capkirk: There is no ignore/exclude ability in mythvideo's scan

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GreyFoxx:

Capkirk: I find it much easier to do my scan, and use mythweb's video interface to fill in the imdb info

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GreyFoxx:

MUCH faster than navigating the mythvideo interface

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cmug:

xmms plays my mp3 over spdif fine, no matter what I do I cannot get aplay or mythmusic to play it (rate mismatch)

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_mre|666:

xmms is old

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_mre|666:

probably an alsa problem

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cmug:

_mre|666, yes, I don't know how to set it up in myth

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cmug:

I have tried all kinds of combinations of mixers and playback devices

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_mre|666:

well... how you'd set it up in linux period

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_mre|666:

make certain your soundcard is supported in alsa

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cmug:

I have created the /etc/asound file that supposedly enables the upscaling of my 44.1kHz material to 48k

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_mre|666:

and make certain myth and everything is using it

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cmug:

_mre|666, but xmms plays over alsa just fine

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_mre|666:

are you sure it's using alsa?

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_mre|666:

might be using oss

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cmug:

_mre|666, alsa is the output library I chose in its preferences

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_mre|666:

or something else

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_mre|666:

hmm... then it should be

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cmug:

Message: device: hw:0,2

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cmug:

that is the spdif output on my nforce board

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_mre|666:

hmm... onboard sound

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cmug:

"Opening ALSA audio device 'cards.pcm.iec958'." in mythtv

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_mre|666:

i've had some issues with onboard sound in linux

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_mre|666:

don't know if that's what we're dealing with here

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cmug:

but then I get "Rate doesn't match (requested 44100Hz, got 48000Hz)

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_mre|666:

ohh

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_mre|666:

you said you adjusted the sound rate for alsa

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_mre|666:

you probably have to set that in myth too

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_mre|666:

or remove it

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cmug:

Sorry, I don't know what you mean

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_mre|666:

why do you want 48000hz anyways?

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_mre|666:

<cmug> I have created the /etc/asound file that supposedly enables the upscaling of my 44.1kHz material to 48k

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cmug:

_mre|666, because my spdif doesn't accept anything else apparently

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cmug:

yes, as instructed by http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configur . . . .2C_Properly

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_mre|666:

did you set it in myth to use 48k?

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_mre|666:

in myth-setup?

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cmug:

Where do I find that option, I don't think so

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_mre|666:

it's in the setup somewhere

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_mre|666:

can't remember where

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_mre|666:

i do remember seeing it

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_mre|666:

general settings, i believe

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cmug:

I'll look

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iamlindoro_:

There are no audio settings at all in mythtv-setup... you're probably thinking of the audio frequency and bitrates in recording profiles in mythfrontend

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_mre|666:

yeah... i am

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cmug:

I am interested in playback at the moment, not recording

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_mre|666:

but you're going to be recording, when playing

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_mre|666:

because mythbackend records as you watch

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iamlindoro_:

cmug: It plays back at the sampling frequency it was recorded at... you yes, you *are* interested in recording

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cmug:

I am talking about mythmusic, my videos and television works fine

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cmug:

iamlindoro_, ok.. but why does it work in xmms then?

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_mre|666:

isn't that plugin buggy as hell?

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_mre|666:

cmug: use Rythmbox

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_mre|666:

it's ALOT better than xmms

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iamlindoro_:

cmug: mythmusic is *still* going to play back at the sampling rate of the file... sampling rates aren't arbitrary, they're defined by the media. xmms may be set to use OSS, etc., I have no idea what your setup is...

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cmug:

_mre|666, well I just wanted to use mythmusic.. I could always use any player

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cmug:

iamlindoro_, no, xmms is using ALSA like I told it to

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cmug:

iamlindoro_, basically xmms is able to rescale the media to 48khz which then plays over my spdif fine

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iamlindoro_:

cmug: regardless, sampling rates are still set by the file, no the player

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iamlindoro_:

If that's the case, myth doesn't do that (nor should it, your sound server should handle anything like that)

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cmug:

yes, and I have configured ALSA to do it, thats why Xmms works

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cmug:

but mythmusic doesn't, because I am unsure which devices (mixer / playback) I should use

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Dibblah:

iamlindoro_: Actually, not necessarily true. Some output devices only support specific sampling rates, therefore ALSA can resample.

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Dibblah:

On later ALSA versions, at least.

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Dibblah:

And not while using hw:*

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iamlindoro_:

cmug: Whatever boss, I'm not going to fight to help you. This isn't myth's problem, the problem is with your ALSA setup. The closest you will get to any adio setup in myth is page three of general settings in mythfrontend

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iamlindoro_:

Dibblah: ergo "Your sound server should handle anything like that)

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cmug:

Dibblah, thats my case here, my spdif only accepts 48khz

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cmug:

iamlindoro_, yes I know, and that is what I am trying to solve what values to use :-)

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justinh:

aplay won't play mp3 anyway AFAIK

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Dibblah:

cmug: Please look at the documentation (wiki / mythtv.org)

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Dibblah:

I'm pretty sure this is covered in some depth.

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cmug:

Dibblah, I pasted it twice already

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cmug:

but yeah, I guess I could do something else on a saturday too

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Dibblah:

Right. Sorry :)

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cmug:

btw, the wiki says about my problem "Changing the output device to ALSA:default fixed the problem." but that doesn't work for me

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cmug:

oh yeah I forgot to mention one detail, " AudioOutput Error: Unable to set ALSA parameters". My guess is that that means the /etc/asound is not read correctly by mythmusic

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Miranda_:

Hmm.

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Miranda_:

my mythbox with a PVR 150 seems to show video a little more blurry than the actual TV... Is this normal or is there something I can tweak?

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kdubya:

its normal

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kdubya:

there is an extra alalog to digital conversion added

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justinh:

well, depends on your recording profile settings of course

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kdubya:

nah

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justinh:

I found the old default of 480x480 looked more like VHS than it should

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kdubya:

there will be some degredation regaurdless of what you do

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justinh:

kdubya: yeah!

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justinh:

there'll always be some difference but the recording res makes a big deal

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Miranda_:

So, if I use a digital card, then that removes the extra analog to digital conversion?

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justinh:

yup

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kdubya:

but if you live in the US you cant do that anyway

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Miranda_:

but my cableco will continue to broadcast my 'expanded basic' cable in analog

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justinh:

but then you can't always get what you get on analogue, on digital ;)

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Miranda_:

Mabye I should call the cable company

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kdubya:

do you people spell it analogue?

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Miranda_:

cause when I get my new TV, I'm gonna need digital at least

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Miranda_:

In US it's 'analog'

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justinh:

Miranda_: I know a guy with a tivo, he says the difference is very noticable

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kdubya:

justinh is british or something

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justinh:

English

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kdubya:

yeah that

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justinh:

not British, if you please :)

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Miranda_:

He's 'proper' heh

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Miranda_:

justinh, the guy with the TiVO, he's getting a digital signal from the cableco?

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justinh:

if this was truly a United Kingdom, English & Scottish wouldn't have such disdain for one another :P

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justinh:

Miranda_: he has an analogue tivo

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kdubya:

i have one too, and there is serious degredation

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justinh:

anyway wth – it's still better'n VHS or hell even S-VHS :)

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Miranda_:

justinh, on an HD tv?

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justinh:

SDTV on a HDTV? eew

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kdubya:

SD looks like crap regaurdless

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kdubya:

just, worse when you are capturing it and playing it back

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Miranda_:

Heh, that's what I'm worried about... I'm getting a 40" Samsung LCD with my "economic stimulus" tax rebate

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justinh:

HD sets can sometimes do much better scaling than mythtv – but that'll change eventually when the software scaling stuff is implemented (if it ever is)

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kdubya:

yeah it will look worse

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kdubya:

but that has nothing to do with myth or tivo

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kdubya:

sd just looks like crap on hdtvs

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DMJC:

man it

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DMJC:

it's all working!

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DMJC:

high five

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DMJC:

:)

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Miranda_:

So, I just need to call the cable co and find out if I can start recieving digital channels without an extra charge

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kdubya:

congradulations

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kdubya:

Miranda_, those channels are encrypted

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kdubya:

you would have to capture them out of the box with an analog card

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justinh:

Miranda_: and sometimes the default ivtv driver settings are shall we say.. less than optimal. I found temporal noise reduction was enabled when I was trying it for the 1st time – recordings had a slight motion blur

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justinh:

"aceeid!"

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justinh:

temporal dynamic noise reduction == trippy :)

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Miranda_:

justdave, in the actual driver config?

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Miranda_:

justinh, rather

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justinh:

yeah there's the v4l2ctl command (nee ivtvctl) to twiddle with that

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justinh:

worth checking to see what it's set to. I turned it off completely on my setup

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justinh:

I used to have some comparison shots somewhere – there's not much to tell analogue & digital apart when properly setup

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Miranda_:

justinh, I have no idea what I'm looking at http://pastebin.org/18816

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Miranda_:

Where do I find the option to change the bitrate on LiveTV?

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Miranda_:

Is it in mythtv-setup?

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jams:

mythfrontend recording profiles

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justinh:

Miranda_: not in there

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justinh:

Miranda_: not in that pastebin

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justinh:

anyway in your recording profiles check the size is 720x480 for NTSC or 720x576 for PAL

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justinh:

I found the old default of 480x480 looked crappy like VHS

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Miranda_:

Okay, now my remote is pissing me off

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Miranda_:

If I buy an MCE remote, will it be more responsive than my hauppauge remote?

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robbins61:

probably

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robbins61:

i noticed a big change when i switched

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Miranda_:

hmm..

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Miranda_:

good

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Miranda_:

this thing blows

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Miranda_:

it's better than nothing, but it takes at least 3 keypresses to get anything done

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jams:

Miranda_- the streamzap is also good

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Miranda_:

what's streamzap?

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Miranda_:

a brand of remote?

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jams:

yes

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jams:

mce is also good,but you might be able to find the streamzap at a local store

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Miranda_:

hmmm.

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Miranda_:

someone suggest a particular MCE remote and now I can't remember what it was

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Miranda_:

s/suggest/suggested

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robbins61:

i have some HP one that one of my buddies gave me and it's awesome

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robbins61:

i think it's actually a phillips remote

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J-e-f-f-A:

I have the microsoft branded one – model 1039.

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DMJC:

oooh

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J-e-f-f-A:

This one — except mine doesn't have the bottom row of colored buttons: http://www.eirikso.com/images/MCE-Remote-Media-Center.jpg

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Miranda_:

Seems the new MCE remotes are actually made by phillips

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Miranda_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote there's a picture at the top with all the MCE remotes

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J-e-f-f-A:

I even took it apart and puta MythTV logo in place of the M$ 'flag' symbol... ;-) ^^ Yes they are

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Miranda_:

hmm

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Miranda_:

J-e-f-f-A, what reciever do you use?

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Miranda_:

I'm probably going to have to get one bundled with a reciever

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J-e-f-f-A:

Miranda_: I use the MCE USB receiver on my frontend.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Miranda_: But I was just abuot to set it up on my backend which has a home-made serial receiver.

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Miranda_:

J-e-f-f-A, now how do you do that? do you have a serial cable strung all the way to the TV?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Miranda_: On my backend I've only got a 18.2" LCD monitor, and I don't use it as a frontend that much. But yeah, if your 'frontend' is away from your TV, you'd have to do that, or just aim your remote at your frontend instead of your TV.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Miranda_: The MCE USB receiver has a 6' or 10' cable on it... (can't remember which)

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lanuser:

Hello – is it possible to use a serial LIRC receiver and the IR Blaster on a PVR150 both at the same time and independently of each other?

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jams:

lanuser- yes but it would involve running two instances of lird.

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Miranda_:

J-e-f-f-A, looks like newegg only sells your model

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lanuser:

jams thanks

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Miranda_:

lanuser, I never could get my transmitter working

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lanuser:

Miranda_ did you end up getting a serial blaster or something else then?

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Miranda_:

lanuser, nah, it's the combination reciever and blaster that plugs into the back of the card

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Miranda_:

but I"m an idiot... if jams says it works, then go with him

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lanuser:

I'm only interested in the IR blaster portion of it as I moved from cable to AT&T U-Verse and need to change channels on a receiver box now

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lanuser:

Does the current version of LIRC CVS support the blaster on the PVR150?

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J-e-f-f-A:

lanuser: I use a home-made 'buffered' serial ir blaster and receiver. ;-)

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Miranda_:

justinh, does this look like what we talked about earlier?

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lanuser:

J-e-f-f-A: I'm not all that handy but if it wasn't too hard I'd consider building one too

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Miranda_:

video_temporal_decimation (int) : min=0 max=255 step=1 default=0 value=0

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jams:

lanuser- how is U-Verse ?

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jams:

do they send any analog signal?

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J-e-f-f-A:

lanuser: A simple non-buffered transmitter is just an LED and a resistor... I've got a simplified drawing on my page: http://jartz.homeip.net:8008/files/ir_blaster.jpg

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lanuser:

jams Not too bad but I haven't recorded anything from it using Myth, no, there is no signal other than IPTV and I haven't called them to see if I could possibly watch the IPTV streams on the MythtBox but that would be ideal

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jams:

drats

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lanuser:

J-e-f-f-A: the IPTV boxes are on the same IP subnet as the rest of the DSL computers but they "somehow" don't use any of the 3.0Mbps download stream, they use some other ~40Mbps download pipe

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jams:

highgly doubt you could watch the iptv directly from the mythbox

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lanuser:

oops, that was meant for jams

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lanuser:

jams it would be ideal if we could though, eh?

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jams:

yes it would

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jams:

i looked into them, but wasn't ready to make the move then.

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jams:

They told me it was impossible to keep my cable+cable modem and have their service at the same time.

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lanuser:

J-e-f-f-A: OMG, I'm an idiot and need that schematic dumbed way down, preferably drawn with crayons too

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J-e-f-f-A:

lanuser: I drew that for a guy that had no idea how to read a schematic... ;-)

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jams:

I don't beleive that. But the fact it was said makes me not want to use them.

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Miranda_:

dhaha

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Miranda_:

lanuser, that's awesome, ahha

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J-e-f-f-A:

lanuser: If the IPTV boxes come from your cable internet provider, then they're just allocating dedicated bandwidth to them...

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lanuser:

J-e-f-f-A: but it's just two wires, and LED and two resistors? Maybe I could do that

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Miranda_:

that's the easiest schematic I've ever read..> Ever

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Miranda_:

lanuser, no, a diode and a resistor

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Miranda_:

he's even got the color code you need!

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Miranda_:

bwahaha

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J-e-f-f-A:

rotfl!

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lanuser:

ah, ok, maybe I could handle it then ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

lanuser: So that's just a blaster... You'd need a receiver too...

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lanuser:

I have a receiver that's working already

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Miranda_:

go to radio shack, buy a 1N4148 diode, a 1K ohm resistor, and an led

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lanuser:

Miranda_ and just solder them together right? I have a bunch of DB9 ends already

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Miranda_:

lanuser, looks that way...

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Miranda_:

make sure the diode and LED is pointed in the correct directin

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Miranda_:

polarity rather

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lanuser:

Miranda_ I'm not sure I understand how to ensure that, is one end + and the other - ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

lanuser: The diode is easy, it's got a band on the cathode side.

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lanuser:

J-e-f-f-A: so just make sure the diode and resistor lined up with the stripes in the same direction as your picture?

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J-e-f-f-A:

lanuser: The LED's cathode is usually the 'flat' side of the package – but it won't 'blow up' if it's backwards, it just won't work, and you'll have to turn it around.

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J-e-f-f-A:

lanuser: Yeah, if you've got a digital camera, camcorder or perhaps a cell phone camera, you can view the IR light with it.

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J-e-f-f-A:

lanuser: (only when it's transmitting, obviously... ;-) )

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lanuser:

Are there more than one kind/color of LED? Or do I just get a red LED at Radio Shack?

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J-e-f-f-A:

You need an Infrared LED to transmit IR signals! ; -)

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lanuser:

oh yeah, duh, sorry

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J-e-f-f-A:

Here's an old pic of my home-made IR blasters... complete with a tiny green 'monitoring' led...

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J-e-f-f-A:

http://jartz.homeip.net:8008/files/my_ir_blasters.jpg

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J-e-f-f-A:

I got a little fancy with the shrink wrap tubing and 'liquid electrical tape'... ;-)

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lanuser:

Looks good though, better than just wires

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lanuser:

Any tricks to including a green 'monitoring' led? Or can it just go on the circuit before the IR LED?

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J-e-f-f-A:

lanuser: If you look closely at the bottom-right picture that shows my old backend and the 3 receivers, the top one has my 'prototype' buffered IR blaster on a 2" square experimenter's board... ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

lanuser: You put it inline with the IR led, but you also need to go with a lower value resistor.

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lanuser:

how low exactly?

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J-e-f-f-A:

lanuser: I'm calculating it now... (don't remember off the top of my head...)

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J-e-f-f-A:

lanuser: ugh... stupid RS tech specs don't include the led's forward voltage... (digging out the multimeter and led parts bin...)

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lanuser:

J-e-f-f-A thanks, sorry for the trouble, but the green monitoring LED would be nice I think

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Dagmar:

I was gonna say.... isn't that kind of trivial to figure out?

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J-e-f-f-A:

lanuser: Ok, a green led has a forward voltage of about 1.6v.... ir led is 1.3... so... 12v – 1.6v (green) – 1.3v (ir) – .6v (diode) = 8.5v ... Divide that by .020, and we come up with 425... A 470 ohm resistor is a common size, and would give you 18ma current through the leds, which should be more than enough...

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J-e-f-f-A:

lanuser: 470ohm is Yellow Violet Brown ... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

lanuser: And if you consider the Flux Capacitor... (Just kidding... ;-) )

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henkpoley:

My myth install can't seem to get a 'lock' on any of my DVB-C channels

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henkpoley:

Is that a known problem?

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kdubya:

what do you mean

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henkpoley:

I see it under 0.20.2 and 0.21–15746

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kdubya:

you found a ton of them with a scan and you cant tune any of them?

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henkpoley:

I can let it add from a channels.conf, and then it does get a 'lock' (tuned in)

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henkpoley:

But the real deal (mythfrontend) doesn't work

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kdubya:

what country

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henkpoley:

I can tune a DVB-C channel with Kaffeine, so it's not the card

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henkpoley:

NL

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kdubya:

oh

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kdubya:

well then i have no idea

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henkpoley:

Scanning itself doesn't seem to work btw

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kdubya:

scanning is kind of crappy

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kdubya:

this is acknowledged

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henkpoley:

mythtv-setup checks all transports but none of them work (all timeout)

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henkpoley:

I'm happy that my analog TV card still seems to work under 0.21

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henkpoley:

But I'd really like to have the Technotrend C1500 DVB-C card working

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henkpoley:

Meh, I wiped all DVB channels, and now I get a segmentation fault when importing channels.conf

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** jamesd looks at his analog tv and takes note of the picture even on the channnel that comes in best, and doesn't consider it to be "working" even though it was fine untill I got the digital tuner... **

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henkpoley:

Hmm.. an older channels.conf imports 'fine' (up until this point at least)

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henkpoley:

Still doesn't get a lock when using mythfrontend..

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henkpoley:

Fun.. MythTV 0.21 now auto shutdowns after XX minutes? (when setup to shutdown)

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henkpoley:

I mean, when a frontend is loaded and connected

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ulchm:

does anyone have a link to a good guide on DVB Channel scanning using mythtv?

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henkpoley:

ulchm From what I dig up around Ubuntu launchpad and Myth's Trac, DVB(-T/-C) scanning is broken when the broadcaster doesn't follow the rules correctly

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henkpoley:

I thing you can tune mplayer or something correctly using a channels.conf ?

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ulchm:

ok I'll look into that

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ulchm:

not sure what the rules are henkpoley. it scanned them all just fine

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henkpoley:

it = ?

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ulchm:

myth-setup

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henkpoley:

mythtv? It can read the file fine, but puts garbage in the database when the DVB channels itself says some nonsense

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henkpoley:

But first, are you sure the card works?

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ulchm:

yes

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ulchm:

I got it working on my laptop (windows)

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ulchm:

but now want it on my server. first time myth user and still no luck!

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henkpoley:

It's a USB DVB device ?

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ulchm:

skywalker-1

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henkpoley:

Ah DVB-S even

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ulchm:

ya it's a nice device

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henkpoley:

You can scan it using "dvbscan" ?

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henkpoley:

(well you have channels.conf, so yes)

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ulchm:

I've never tried that

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henkpoley:

But the normal scanning function worked fine ?

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ulchm:

it seemed to yes.. pulled channel info etc.

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ulchm:

and the unencrypted channels

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henkpoley:

And now on the frontend ?

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ulchm:

sec I'll show you a pastebin of what happens in the backend console when I try to tune a channel

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ulchm:

http://pastebin.com/m5785d810

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ulchm:

the frontend appears to try to tune into the stream

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ulchm:

but then dies

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ulchm:

with a video error

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henkpoley:

And that's with channel? (scrambled?)

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ulchm:

nah that's on a free 'preview' channel

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henkpoley:

Someone else with "DTVSM(0) Error: Wrong PMT"in the logs removed all channels and scanned again..

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george_spatton:

hello all

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henkpoley:

Maybe you should open a ticket on svn.mythtv.org for that

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ulchm:

ya I read a post about that somewhere and have tried it twice

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ulchm:

maybe I'm doing something wrong on the scan itself I guess

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ulchm:

I couldn't find a guide for it so just kind of went by settings I know etc..

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henkpoley:

Have you tried purging dtv_multiplex before rescanning ?

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ulchm:

no

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henkpoley:

(not that scanning works at all for me on my DVB-C card..)

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ulchm:

ok

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ulchm:

I'll purge the table

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ulchm:

do a full rescan

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ulchm:

and see what I can come up with

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ulchm:

do you have a link on how-to scan these or anything?

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henkpoley:

Nope :-/

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george_spatton:

has anyone seen an issue where the frontend loses connection to the backend with the error: MythSocket(8400c20:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected. or MythSocket(8f9d110:19): readStringList: Error, timeout. ?

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henkpoley:

ulchm I'm scanning-and scanning myself.. The best I've found is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/188473

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henkpoley:

Which links to some hack to build a correct database

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rambo3:

are people still using mythtv?

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ulchm:

rambo3> what are the other options for DVB-S (HD)

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ulchm:

I only use it because everything Ir ead said it was the best

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ulchm:

but am definitely open to other suggestions

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rambo3:

mediaportal

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ulchm:

xbox support?

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rambo3:

it has chess

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rambo3:

No idea check the forums or their channel.

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george_spatton:

i didn't find anything useful on the forums or the website

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rambo3:

no it doesn't support xbox

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fatejudger:

I get a great signal when tuning to lower channels, but when going about channel 60 or so, it starts to get a bit fuzzy. Could this have anything to do with the cabling that I'm using?

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fatejudger:

I don't think it's the splitter since I can still see those upper channels on the tv it's split to

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henkpoley:

Yay, it works! When I look up which mplexid it points to in [channel], and update that id in [dtv_multiplex] with a correct frequency, it works (too bad it doesn't by itself)

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bert__:

hey, is there a way of getting a package for a myth frontend that uses network protocol 36? The one available in the Ubuntu reps uses net prot 31

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iamlindoro_:

The Network protocol isn't your only problem, you also need matching database schemas

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iamlindoro_:

And since 31 was .20.2 and we're at 39 today, it's likely you'll have to compile yourself if you need 36/whatever DB schema

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bert__:

arg

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iamlindoro_:

You need whatever you compile to match the exact revision number of whatever you plan to make it work with

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bert__:

that is far too complicated

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iamlindoro_:

Hey, you're the one who chose to run a development version

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bert__:

I didn't choose to do so, that was what the guide told me to do

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iamlindoro_:

what guide is that?

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bert__:

I don't remember now it was like 7 months ago.

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iamlindoro_:

'cause unless it's on the mythtv wiki or web page, it don't count ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, ubuntu is probably the easiest distro to compile for

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bert__:

is there a guide that would help me out?

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iamlindoro_:

There are plenty of building myth from SVN guides on the wiki

[20:21:42]

iamlindoro_:

wiki.mythtv.org

[20:22:02]

iamlindoro_:

you will just need to make sure to check out the exact revision you already have

[20:22:22]

iamlindoro_:

so run mythbackend --version on the machine you need to match, you'll get a six digit revision number, ie 15468 or whatever

[20:22:55]

bert__:

Then I use the rev number to get the right source code?

[20:22:58]

iamlindoro_:

and in whatever guide you follow, check *everything* (plugins, mythtv, etc) out with that revision number, is svn co -r 15468 http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

you just add -r revnumber to the svn checkout command

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iamlindoro_:

just make sure they match exactly and you should be fine

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bert__:

thanks, I might be back, but my son needs me now so I am of

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bert__:

off

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iamlindoro_:

btw bert__, it wasn't 7 months ago ;)

[20:24:27]

iamlindoro_:

we were at Network proto 31 in September, 36 is far far newer

[20:24:49]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, good luck

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joobie:

hi guys.. i'm having problems playing recordings with myth.. it saves the mpg fine and i have uploaded this recording to my notebook, which plays fine. however when i try 'watch tv' – it comes up with a blue screen. it comes up saying:

[20:33:32]

joobie:

2008-02–10 01:58:20.082 RingBuf(/mythtv/1001_20080210015818.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/mythtv/1001_20080210015818.mpg'.

[20:33:32]

joobie:

2008-02–10 01:58:20.088 Preview Error: Previewer could not open file: '/mythtv/1001_20080210015818.mpg'

[20:33:41]

joobie:

in the logifle..

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joobie:

any idea guys?

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kormoc:

joobie, So you get that error log. Can you check to see if the file is being created in the location the log thinks it is?

[20:40:59]

joobie:

kormoc, it is

[20:41:10]

joobie:

i copied that file off to my notebook and it played fine

[20:41:34]

kormoc:

with read permissions for the frontend user?

[20:41:46]

joobie:

it also can't delete the files

[20:41:50]

kormoc:

(also does /mythtv have read and enter permissions for the frontend user?)

[20:41:59]

joobie:

i have 'other' permissions set to 'read'

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kormoc:

the easy way to make sure permissions are correct would be chmod a+rx /mythtv;chmod -R a+r /mythtv

[20:43:07]

kormoc:

that gives everyone the right to read and enter the /mythtv directory

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joobie:

[root@joobie ~]# ls -lad /mythtv/

[20:43:21]

joobie:

drwxr-xr-x 2 richardb root 4096 Feb 10 01:58 /mythtv/

[20:43:27]

joobie:

that is the directory perms

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kormoc:

that's correct

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joobie:

[root@joobie ~]# ls -la /mythtv/1001_20080210015735.mpg

[20:43:50]

joobie:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 45910164 Feb 10 01:57 /mythtv/1001_20080210015735.mpg

[20:43:57]

joobie:

and perms of one of the files

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kormoc:

kk, so that's fine

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joobie:

thanks for the help btw kormoc

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kormoc:

what user are you running the FE as?

[20:44:48]

joobie:

'richardb'

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kormoc:

I'd attempt to run the frontend with increased logging (-v all will get everything but is very very spammy) and see if it's a bit more verbrose about what's going on.

[20:47:35]

joobie:

ahh k

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joobie:

kormoc, i've gotta boot in about 5–10 mins and ive removed the antenna from the box

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joobie:

i'll try the -v on frontend later

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joobie:

Cheers for the help

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kormoc:

g'luck

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joobie:

thanks

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ma9mwah:

anyone know if dual DVB-S2 cards exist? having trouble finding one

[20:55:21]

joobie:

ma9mwah, i bought a USB one DVB-T.. after USB?

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justinh:

they exist and guess what – they're not supported by mythtv yet

[20:55:36]

joobie:

what's the S2 stand for?

[20:56:16]

Kazan:

version 2

[20:56:24]

Kazan:

DVB-S = version 1, DVB-S2 = version 2

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ma9mwah:

ic

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Kazan:

AFAIK

[20:56:28]

Kazan:

just like DVB-T and DVB-T2

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joobie:

ahh

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joobie:

what's the difference between v1 and v2?

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ma9mwah:

joobie, do you know the name of one?

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ma9mwah:

* justinh

[20:57:21]

joobie:

ma9mwah, check out http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Supported_Hardware

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Kazan:

dunno joobie i'm american

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joobie:

there's a link to the different DVB devices.. select that – then you can search for "dual" or something

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joobie:

that's how i foudn my USB one

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joobie:

but i dont think it's this S2 jazz

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joobie:

just DVB-T

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justinh:

Kazan: mythtv supports dvb-t just fine. dvb-t2 isn't even ratified yet

[20:58:05]

joobie:

it comes up as two individual devices under line – adapter0 and adapter1

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joobie:

if anyone is interested, there's a brief writeup on wikipedia – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-T#DVB-T2

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AndyCap:

Heh Broadcom has dual S2 chip. I smell linux fail.

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banyan_:

Hi, I can get X running on a pvr350 tv out. I can get mythfrontend running off that tv out. But I can't get mythfrontend to play back on the 350 tv out — I just get a blue screen and audio. When I exit playback, there's mythfrontend again.

[21:17:57]

banyan_:

Any ideas why the video playback just gives me a blue screen?

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banyan_:

I see the frontend tells me "VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed" when it tries to play.

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Dagmar:

The 350 has no video accelleration afaik

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Miranda_:

IIRC, mplayer uses video overlay to play video on your display device...I'd assume your device didn't support overlay

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Miranda_:

Stupid question of the day

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Miranda_:

Stupid question of the day: If I'm watching Live TV, and open up the guide, how would I change channels in live TV through the guide?

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justinh:

banyan_: did you enable the 'use pvr350 decoder' in mythfrontend hmm?

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justinh:

Miranda_: there's a setting for that in mythfrontend – within tv settings – within programme guide settings. 'use select to change channels' tick it

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banyan_:

I haven't been using that. There was a change in ivtv that broke the 350 playback support, what, about a year ago, so I've just been running x on the 350 and playing back on the framebuffer.

[21:26:03]

Miranda_:

justinh, awesome, found it, thanks

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Miranda_:

boo framebuffer ::thumbsdown::

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banyan_:

This is just since rebooting, which loaded me a newer kernel.

[21:26:54]

emory:

I'm trying to run update on a fresh mythbuntu install and it keep locking up after it fails to start mysql, no errors no nothing... any ideas?

[21:27:07]

justinh:

effing hell. since when did rebooting update the kernel? I wanna make sure I never reboot. facknows what that could break!

[21:27:19]

Dagmar:

If there's no errors, then how do you know the mysqld didn't start?

[21:27:34]

emory:

it says Starting MySQL databse server mysqld fail

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emory:

then it just sits

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banyan_:

I probably did an upgrade that brought it in and I didn't notice.

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emory:

for four hours

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justinh:

what is this preoccupation with updating stuff all the time people? it breaks stuff!!!

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Miranda_:

emory, then figure out why MySQL didn't start

[21:28:04]

justinh:

muhhh, but I need securitae.. muhhh

[21:28:12]

emory:

Miranda_: can you tell me where I would do that?

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banyan_:

I can get the x driver to work on the 350 but the blue screen on tv playback... that's a puzzler.

[21:28:29]

Miranda_:

emory, tail /var/log/messages

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Miranda_:

emory, or start the mysql daemon manually and watch the output

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justinh:

banyan_: if I could DCC you a nvidia card, man I would believe me

[21:30:00]

emory:

Miranda_: nothing in log/messages what would you recommend as the best way to start mysql manually?

[21:30:22]

justinh:

for as long as I remember nobody here has advised anybody to get a pvr350 card – indeed for a long time people have been saying to be careful support for it doesn't vanish from mythtv. it'll break & if nobody fixes it, that's it

[21:30:23]

Dagmar:

By using the init script your distribution has provided.

[21:30:45]

Dagmar:

justinh: People seem to keep seeing that high number and think it's the "best" of the single-tuner line

[21:30:46]

banyan_:

If I try playing video in mplayer on the 350 out, I get blue and no video, though I see the title bar.

[21:31:12]

Miranda_:

emory, I don't know off the top of my head, the wife's trying to converse with me, afk

[21:31:15]

Dagmar:

Perhaps we need to hunt down every mention of it on the wiki and say "READ THIS LINK BEFORE YOU CONSIDER BUYING ONE OF THESE" and point them to somewhere that politely says "don't buy this"

[21:31:34]

justinh:

Dagmar: it'd have to be a dead link for the wiki ;)

[21:31:55]

justinh:

can't remember the last time I clicked on a link in the wiki that wasn't broken

[21:32:08]

Dagmar:

WEll, start documenting

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emory:

interestingly enough it starts perfectly fine with the init script, its just when it tries to do the update that it fails...

[21:32:20]

Dagmar:

Write new pages while really hammered

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Dagmar:

That'll encourage people to clean up after you

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justinh:

reason pvr350 cards are no good – they don't use flux capacitors. no flux capacitor – no time shifting

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** justinh takes some more crack **

[21:34:03]

justinh:

emory: you mean it fails to update the database schema. that'd be because mysql isn't working right now

[21:34:44]

emory:

justinh: is this going to break mythbuntu? and more specifically mythtv?

[21:35:00]

justinh:

break it? it's not even working right now is it?

[21:35:07]

emory:

this is a fresh install

[21:35:17]

_banyan:

I am actually using an old nvidia card.

[21:35:18]

emory:

I just let it do its updates over night and come down stairs to see it locked up

[21:35:27]

emory:

so I haven't gotten it working yet

[21:35:28]

emory:

:)

[21:35:36]

_banyan:

running the nvidia_legacy drivers and the TV out doesn't play nice with my sony tube.

[21:36:00]

justinh:

emory: so where exactly in the world are you up to?

[21:36:42]

emory:

moving data off the old drives and have most of my essentials installed

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_banyan:

I think the issue has something to do with my ivtv X display having come up with 720x540 as a resolution, and the display drivers don't deal with rescaling ... or something...

[21:36:53]

justinh:

and more to the point, when are ubuntu going to disable those effing annoying update messages which only encourage newbies to go & break stuff?

[21:36:55]

emory:

just waiting for the updates then I was going to get the remote working and continue moving data

[21:37:13]

_banyan:

Dagmar: was that "don't use this" comment about the 350?

[21:37:33]

justinh:

_banyan: trying to discourage people from using them. something about a world of pain

[21:38:01]

justinh:

we love Hauppauge – it's just that pvr350s aren't suited to mythtv usage anymore – at least not for output

[21:38:05]

_banyan:

I've had this thing for ages and ages... the only problems I've had are generally related to the developers wanting to drop it.

[21:38:35]

justinh:

_banyan: no, the developers don't use them anymore. hard to support stuff you don't have or use ;)

[21:38:47]

emory:

justinh: so what are my options are you telling me I need to re-install the OS and just not do updates?

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justinh:

emory: I'm saying that allowing linux to update itself & then being surprised when stuff is broken is.. well.. it should be no surprise ;)

[21:39:41]

justinh:

be more of a surprise if nothing got broken in an update tbh

[21:39:43]

_banyan:

The output quality is pretty good. better than my nvidia. I could use the nvidia card except I could never get the nvidia card and the tv to agree about where the display should be.

[21:39:44]

emory:

:( I've been using ubuntu for almost a year now and never had any issues... Am I really so naive

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** emory cries **

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justinh:

emory: well, when it comes to some things – mythtv related things that I know of – updates can break stuff

[21:40:36]

justinh:

anyway maybe if you go through what's wrong – beyond "mythtv no worky" we can help

[21:40:38]

_banyan:

justinh: I am starting to agree about updates. It's just that if you don't do them continually, you have to deal with 50 headaches all at once rather than dealing with one at a time.

[21:41:08]

_banyan:

(that is, the pain is concentrated when you do actually bite the bullet.)

[21:41:17]

justinh:

my point is, even admins running server farms don't install updates unless they know they're absolutely business critical

[21:41:57]

justinh:

and in terms of Joe User, the occasional package tweak can more than likely be passed by with no ill effects

[21:42:52]

justinh:

mind, I'm not suggesting for one minute that's a suitable strategy for an internet facing box without a router in the way.. but then if you're doing that the last thing you want is an insecure app like mythtv running on it

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emory:

well like I said I don't know if MythTV is in a working state, its just MySQL that is broken now and I happen to know thats a pretty fundamental piece of the MythTV suite... the #ubuntu guys told me to ask in #ubuntu-mythtv and that chan is dead so I came here... But I'm seeing no errors in /var/log/messages and starting with /etc/init.d/mysql start causes no errors so I really have nothing to google search other than "MySQL

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_banyan:

So when do you update justinh? Just when an OS upgrade comes out?

[21:43:31]

justinh:

_banyan: my personal thing is – if it ain't broke...

[21:43:46]

_banyan:

emory: can you get the mysqld running?

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justinh:

my backend has been running dapper since.. woooo .. since I installed it

[21:44:08]

_banyan:

i have the backend and the frontend on the same pc.

[21:44:11]

justinh:

then I only update mythtv (from source) when the time's right

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emory:

_banyan: it seems to be running when I start manually, but now I've got a bunch of half-baked kernel updates and some lirc updates since Synaptic isn't letting me take back the SQL update...

[21:44:34]

emory:

so I want to find a way to work through this

[21:44:55]

justinh:

emory: so mysql isn't working when you kick it from the init script?

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_banyan:

kernel updates shouldn't alter mysql.

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justinh:

or at boot time?

[21:45:12]

emory:

it is working from the init script just not when synaptic tries to restart during updates

[21:45:29]

_banyan:

that's a once in a blue moon thing tho.

[21:45:38]

emory:

so synaptic then hangs and does nothing... not completing install or cleaning up, or removing garbage...

[21:45:42]

_banyan:

can you log in and see mythconverg?

[21:45:44]

justinh:

heh you mean it _should_ be :)

[21:46:10]

emory:

yeah I have phpmyadmin installed and its loading up the tables fine

[21:46:14]

justinh:

I've heard some real horror stories from FC users – though I have no idea how much of that is from mixing repos

[21:46:19]

_banyan:

meaning, can you mysql -u .... -p mythconverg and query tables?

[21:46:39]

_banyan:

you have to be really careful about what packages you get from where.

[21:47:08]

justinh:

you have to _think_ before allowing any upgrade to occur. 1. can you afford to spend all the time fixing it? ;)

[21:47:10]

_banyan:

The packaged myth stuff depends on packages, some of which are on atrpms as well as livna, or on both livna and freshrpms.

[21:47:43]

emory:

I'm not a mysql expert can you give an example query command?

[21:47:45]

_banyan:

and I have, for better or worse, gone with the packages.

[21:47:53]

emory:

i'm connected to db just can't remember the syntax for the life of me

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justinh:

emory: select title from program;

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_banyan:

select * from recordings;

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_banyan:

you may have to 'use mythconverg' before those work.

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emory:

well the recordings command returns that the db doesn't exist but the program one dumped a bunch for me

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justinh:

on a *new* install ?

[21:49:08]

emory:

yeah

[21:49:14]

_banyan:

anyway, I may have discovered a cause for my 350 tv out dyspepsia. 720x540...

[21:49:21]

justinh:

you ran mythfilldatabase at some point then..

[21:49:28]

justinh:

so not that new!

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emory:

yeah mythbuntu makes you do that during install

[21:49:37]

emory:

yeah its kinda weird

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_banyan:

well, if you want the user to see listings the first time he runs the frontend, that's what you have to do.

[21:50:04]

_banyan:

or she.

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justinh:

I can see what the general idea is with all the mythbuntu wizards but they just get in my way tbh

[21:50:37]

emory:

it does make sense... you have a keyboard and mouse plugged in... do your configuring now!

[21:50:39]

justinh:

stand aside! I know what I'm doing :P

[21:50:41]

_banyan:

damn those middle english bastards that didn't leave a gender-neutral way of referring to people in the language!

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justinh:

*they*

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jams:

justinh- by wizard you mean the MCC ?

[21:50:58]

Dagmar:

Yes they did

[21:51:00]

justinh:

*them*

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emory:

ya'll

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Dagmar:

...and it's Middle English.

[21:51:25]

justinh:

jams: that, and the packager stuff

[21:51:27]

Dagmar:

Bitch about missing parts of speech in Latin.

[21:51:36]

Dagmar:

...at least you'll seem cooler

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justinh:

jams: it's just that it's quicker to ssh in & hack sometimes ;)

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_banyan:

but they's grammarically specific to third person .

[21:52:13]

_banyan:

and them is the dative case.

[21:52:23]

jams:

justinh- very true.

[21:52:32]

Dagmar:

I can almost hear the whistling in the air as his English teacher from school jumped from a roof.

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emory:

so is there anyway for me to remove mysql from the dpkg --configure -a ... wherever it gets that stuff from... so I can just run that again and avoid mysql at all costs

[21:52:40]

emory:

??

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Dagmar:

_banyan: You're going to complain about that, and then use "they is" as a contraction?

[21:53:16]

_banyan:

I'm referring to the word they. :-)

[21:53:20]

_banyan:

which is singular.

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_banyan:

grammar be fun!

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Dagmar:

...and in that form, you don't make a contraction of it.

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_banyan:

you mean 'one doesn't make.' :-)

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Dagmar:

I'd still be far better off than you.

[21:55:13]

Dagmar:

...because I don't bitch about bad grammar while making a mess of the language.

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iamlindoro_:

what with the usage of the non-word "grammarically" and all...

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_banyan:

oh! right you are.

[21:55:52]

Dagmar:

It makes me want to ask what WoW server you play on.

[21:55:53]

_banyan:

I'll just revert to grunts and pointing.

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iamlindoro_:

And when those fail, make sure to resort to violence. Violence solves *everything*.

[21:56:26]

Dagmar:

Of course it does.

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iamlindoro_:

And if it seems like it's not helping, apply more violence.

[21:56:44]

Dagmar:

Man, I figuratively beat a radio talk DJ about the head and neck with that one last week.

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_banyan:

That I don't believe. I'm north of the border. We just backstab figuratively.

[21:57:24]

iamlindoro_:

Make that figurative literal and you'll have something going.

[21:57:31]

Dagmar:

He foolishly criticized some other folks' logic about "The War" and then turned around and said "Well, we tried diplomacy and diplomacy didn't work, so now we have to use violence."

[21:58:12]

Dagmar:

Christian radio talk jockeys aren't real good at thinking on their feet.

[21:58:22]

justinh:

and violence didn't work, so.. pfft

[21:58:49]

Dagmar:

Yeah, so maybe we just go back to letting them kill each other like they've been doing for oh, over a thousand years.

[21:58:55]

justinh:

the war on terror has been won as far as I'm concerned. I'm not scared :P

[21:58:59]

Dagmar:

They've got it down to a science now.

[21:59:30]

banyan_:

or, I'm scared of "us" now, not "them."

[21:59:50]

justinh:

banyan_: I'm scared of 'you' :P

[22:00:01]

banyan_:

Have you read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man?"

[22:00:07]

justinh:

well not so much 'you' but the things 'you' do ;)

[22:01:07]

banyan_:

hmm! do we know each other?!

[22:01:36]

justinh:

'you ess of ay' ;)

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Miranda_:

justinh, oh, by the way, 720x480 worked great

[22:01:51]

justinh:

not 'you' as in _you_ banyan_ ;)

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banyan_:

I've told everybody alredy... I swear I didn't know it was loaded.

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justinh:

insanity is not a valid defence

[22:02:45]

Dagmar:

That depends on how insane you are.

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banyan_:

If I give you $1M here, it's business. If I give you $1M in Baghdad, that's reconstruction!

[22:03:46]

banyan_:

anyone know the fedora package that provides Xgl?

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banyan_:

thanks... restarting my x...

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justinh:

who said that?

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Miranda_:

Hmm, that's weird.. in gentoo, the dependancies for mythweb do not include apache

[22:11:48]

justinh:

roflmfao

[22:12:41]

Miranda_:

http://pastebin.org/18861

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Miranda_:

I wonder if that's a bug

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justinh:

heheheh http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/315325

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orkid:

hi. this might be OT, but, install mythbuntu, setup it's vnc server (vnc4server), i can log into it fine, but the picture is 'corrupt' (seems like it took the pic and deinterlaced it, and then took the individual fields and put them side by side a couple of times). it's messed. anyone see something like this before?

[22:23:19]

orkid:

(its) .. .oops :P

[22:23:28]

orkid:

the pic being the desktop

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Miranda_:

oh, I"m an idiot again

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Miranda_:

I've got apache2 commented

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Miranda_:

or rather, I never put it in my USE flags, and it was removed in my profile

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justinh:

Miranda_: you'd think it'd have been flagged though- I mean mythweb is impotent without a web server of some sort (be that apache or lighttpd or whatever the hell it's called)

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tanner:

anyone successfully able to play EVO files with myth? (or rather on linux in general)

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nuonguy:

http://pastebin.ca/897897

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justinh:

hd-dvd evo files? no idea

[22:29:49]

nuonguy:

mythtv-setup chose Port 0 Node 2, but plugreport finds only Node 1; does that work?

[22:30:05]

tanner:

yeah, hd-dvd :-\

[22:31:32]

justinh:

never mind. hd-dvd will soon be over :)

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tanner:

certainly, however i would still love to see the quality of this disc i have =)

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justinh:

well, you're looking at threaded decoding for the hd-dvd content. that rules out 0.20.x mythtv

[22:33:37]

justinh:

and just about only the very latest (as in svn) mplayer can cope apparently

[22:33:44]

iamlindoro_:

tanner: Yes, I play HD-DVD rips

[22:33:56]

iamlindoro_:

but you will need to patch mplayer for playback of most of the audio tracks

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tanner:

hey iamlindoro_, could you point me in the right direction

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hddvd

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iamlindoro_:

That's why they make wikis ;)

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tanner:

=)

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iamlindoro_:

The short short version is that it's a pain in the ass to get all set up. I wrote that wiki page, it should get you going, but you need to be pretty comfortable compiling your own mplayer (unless you're using 64 bit debian or Ubuntu, in which case my .debs are linked in that wiki page

[22:36:02]

tanner:

even have debs available =)

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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iamlindoro_:

again, so long as you're running 64 bit... I don't have any i386 machines so that's all I'm set up to provide

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tanner:

nope, running 64bit ubuntu =)

[22:37:04]

** tanner loves his C2D laptop **

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iamlindoro_:

then those debs should be fine

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Miranda_:

tanner, holy monkey bannanas, I just bought myself a new C2D laptop

[22:38:41]

tanner:

weird, i get a "a later version is already installed" error

[22:38:56]

iamlindoro_:

tanner: You will need to remove your ubuntu version

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iamlindoro_:

but it's *not* a later version, it's just that those .debs are unversioned so it can't reconcile the two

[22:39:20]

Miranda_:

tanner, T8100 2.1Ghz, 3M L2 cache, 3 GB DDR2, and Dual Nvidia 8600GT's SLI

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iamlindoro_:

my debs are much MUCH newer versions than the ubuntu ones

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Miranda_:

it makes me cry a little

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iamlindoro_:

ie apt-get remove ffmpeg mplayer

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iamlindoro_:

then the debs will work fine

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tanner:

yeah, doing that now

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tanner:

Miranda_: i just have a Thinkpad T61p, C2D 2.20GHz, 4GiB ram and nVidia Quadro 570M 256MiB graphics card.

[22:41:48]

Miranda_:

tanner, the Memrom core?

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Miranda_:

T7xxx?

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tanner:

yes

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Miranda_:

Your clockspeed is a little faster than mine, but I'm coming from a P4 2.6c, I'm looking for a desktop replacement...

[22:43:08]

Miranda_:

I think I'll be happy

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jams:

dangit more snow is falling

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Miranda_:

jams, it's 73 degrees in Houston

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jams:

yeah yeah

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Miranda_:

it's damn near hot

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jams:

supposed to be a high of 7 tomorrow

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tanner:

i'm rather satisfied with mine =)

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Miranda_:

tanner, good, good..

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tanner:

iamlindoro_: i get an error regarding overwriting a file that belongs to another package

[22:45:19]

Miranda_:

I havent got mine yet, I'm hopeful

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: You'll have to work all that out yourself, I can't do much besides provide working packages

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: But there are plenty of ways to force dpkg to complete the install

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iamlindoro_:

ie --force

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Which distro are you doing packages got?

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Dagmar:

s/got/for/;

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tanner:

--force-overwrite was required

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iamlindoro_:

Dagmar: This set of packages happens to be for Ubuntu Gutsy

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Miranda_:

My vote is for gentoo, but it's only as smart as the user, and in this case, it's not very intelligent

[22:47:59]

Dagmar:

Okay. I'm probably going to sit down and document up the way the Slackware packages I've been building work.

[22:48:08]

Dagmar:

Hopefully this information will be useful to other packagers.

[22:48:21]

Dagmar:

er probably going to document them this _week_

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iamlindoro_:

Dagmar: I have zero interest in distributing my packages... In this case playing audio tracks on real HD-DVD and Blu-ray rips requires some hefty patching of mplayer. I provide the patches, but I also leave my .debs accessible as a "Hey, no support on these, but here are the packages from my system." Supporting or distributing them is really the *last* thing I want to do... but here I am answering questions about them :)

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iamlindoro_:

I don't mind the sharing of the packages so long as people don't mind my not caring when they don't work for them, heh ;)

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro_: To be perfectly honest with you I have about the same approach with the Slackware binary packages I build, *but* I've put in a bunch of mods to make the bloody things work from the first bootup

[22:52:36]

Dagmar:

mysqld package vivifies itself, sets a reasonable root password, uses a small-scale config, etc.

[22:52:51]

Dagmar:

mythbackend script auto-loads Myth's tables on a new install and so on

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iamlindoro_:

very nice

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Dagmar:

The last bit I really have left to hack on at the moment is fixing up a reduced-size apache build that can run mythweb from the outset

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tanner:

iamlindoro_: have you seen a hd-dvd with "mpeg2video" as the video stream type?

[22:55:09]

iamlindoro_:

tanner: yup

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Dagmar:

These aren't problems any package developers/maintainers should have to solve again

[22:55:20]

iamlindoro_:

plenty of them, like the ST:TOS HD-DVDs

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tanner:

iamlindoro_: would the demuxer still be the same lavf?

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Dagmar:

You think HD-DVD is going to survive?

[22:55:45]

iamlindoro_:

yes, it's always lavf

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iamlindoro_:

the only things that will change are the ac and the aid

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Dagmar:

More to the point, do you think we'll see HD-DVD writeables anytime soon

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iamlindoro_:

everything else in that command line should always be the same

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iamlindoro_:

Dagmar: Doubtful

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iamlindoro_:

at least IME

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iamlindoro_:

I think HD-DVD appears to be down for the count, but stranger things have happened I guess

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tanner:

-ac liba52?

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Dagmar:

Something's gotta break on that front soon

[22:58:02]

Dagmar:

I can't see this situation where backups are cost effective to "just buy more disks" lasting much longer

[22:58:12]

Dagmar:

I really shoudlnt' need to buy an LTO drive just to backup my workstation. Heh

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: I have explained everything on that wiki page... you should be looking at the audio tracks with ffmpeg, and I've given examples of both mlp and e-ac3 tracks...

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iamlindoro_:

ie mplayer -fs -vo xv -demuxer lavf -ac mlp -aid 4 -fps 24000/1001 /movies/300.EVO for an mlp track

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iamlindoro_:

and

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iamlindoro_:

mplayer -fs -vo xv -demuxer lavf -ac ffac3 -aid 3 -fps 24000/1001 /movies/300.EVO

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Dagmar:

...but fat luck backing up a even 120Gb drive without a whole stack of freaking DVDR-DL's now

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iamlindoro_:

for an E-AC3 track

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tanner:

yeah, i saw that but i was just making sure as mplayer doesnt seem to want to play it >.<

[22:59:32]

tanner:

"too many audio packets in the buffer"

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: you probably have the wrong aid set

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Dagmar:

tanner: now you are seeing why people don't actually pirate DVDs that much

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: What movie are you watching (attempting)

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tanner:

transformers

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iamlindoro_:

pastebin your ffmpeg -i outpu

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iamlindoro_:

output

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tanner:

doing that now

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tanner:

http://pastebin.com/m2e475aee

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iamlindoro_:

mplayer -fs -vo xv -demuxer lavf -ac ffac3 -aid 6 -fps 24000/1001 Transformers.EVO should be right

[23:02:36]

iamlindoro_:

may also want to try -aid 7

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tanner:

-aid 6 didnt work, same error, its currently thinking on -aid 7

[23:03:24]

Miranda_:

Stupid question of the day – the remix — If I'm watching Live TV, and I want to record a show(does it matter if I continue watching or not?) to play back later or burn to DVD, how would I do that?

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: Shouldn't have long to think

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iamlindoro_:

It may just be that your system is too slow to handle it, you may want to use the supplemental options at the bottom to try to speed things up

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iamlindoro_:

ie -lavdopts threads=2:fast:skiploopfilter=all -sws 0 -framedrop

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tanner:

it seems its sspooling the hard drive a bit

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iamlindoro_:

If we're still talking and it's not playing, odds are it won't... but anything's possible

[23:05:33]

tanner:

you're probably right, its been on "starting playback" since the -aid message

[23:05:46]

tanner:

and it just died =)

[23:06:08]

iamlindoro_:

That said, I have had that same rip working before, so I know it's possible... just don't have it in the system right now

[23:06:16]

iamlindoro_:

well, not *that* same rip, my rip

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tanner:

lol.. obviously

[23:06:53]

iamlindoro_:

you will find that mlp tracks play *far* more reliably

[23:07:04]

iamlindoro_:

and sound better, too

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tanner:

i'd be happy just to see something..

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: that's easy

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iamlindoro_:

remove the -ac and -aid and do -ao null

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iamlindoro_:

Then you will get video and no audio

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iamlindoro_:

and if you don't get that... then there's something wrong with your rip or something wrong with your system

[23:08:17]

Miranda_:

I can't find it in the keybindings wiki page, what key is 'record' in LiveTV mode?

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iamlindoro_:

hopefully the former rather than the latter

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iamlindoro_:

R

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tanner:

$ mplayer -fs -vo xv -demuxer lavf -ao null FEATURE_1.EVO nada, could be the rip. i tried using AnyDVD HD in windows

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Miranda_:

iamlindoro_, should it pop up a confirmation dialog?

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: That's what I do my rips with, it's very reliable, though

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Miranda_:

or just silently record?

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iamlindoro_:

Miranda_: the OSD ought to pop up a notification

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Miranda_:

awesome, that's exactly what it did

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tanner:

hmm :-\

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Miranda_:

From what I'm reading, it will record to the time listed in the EPG as the end of the show

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Miranda_:

is that correct?

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iamlindoro_:

yep

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Miranda_:

awesome

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Miranda_:

thanks

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Miranda_:

I learn a bit more every day

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iamlindoro_:

np

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javatexan:

anyone tried the local imdb?

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: I've never gotten a bad rip out of AnyDVD HD... dunno what the problem might be

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tanner:

still "too many audio packets" error.. even with -ao null

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iamlindoro_:

ry removing the demuxer line as well

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iamlindoro_:

er try

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tanner:

a bunch of a52: CRC check failed messages; perhaps its my rip?

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: and that's *with* -ao null?

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tanner:

iamlindoro_: yes, $ mplayer -vo xv -ao null FEATURE_1.EVO

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iamlindoro_:

erm... maybe I've forgotten and it's -ao none?

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iamlindoro_:

try that, but I don't think so

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bert_:

I'm trying to install Myth and when I run ./configure it tell me that I need to have FreeType 2 installed but when I check with aptitude search freetype I am told I have the following installed freetype2-demos ,libfreetype6, and libfreetype6-dev

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tanner:

must be the files or something, it'll play the other EVO files, but not the FEATURE or trailer ones

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: Weird... well, I'm not sure what the issue is, I don't recall having much trouble with that movie

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: Try a totally different rip if you have one available... have any other HD-DVDs?

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tanner:

iamlindoro_: is the process similar for blu ray discs?

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iamlindoro_:

tanner,it's identical, no changes

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iamlindoro_:

the only thing that changes is the extension

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iamlindoro_:

ie m2ts

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tanner:

alright, perhaps ill try a blu ray disc

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iamlindoro_:

give me some films you have, we'll find one where I have the same and I'll give you my command line

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tanner:

i have norbit and sky captin and the world of tomorrow

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tanner:

plus the transformers hd dvd disc

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iamlindoro_:

Don't have any of those (besides transformers on the shelf)

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iamlindoro_:

jeez, get some better movies!

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tanner:

yeah.. i just rented these to try out the drive i just bought

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** CCFL_Man2 ircs from his mac mini in single user mode **

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iamlindoro_:

ie, here's King Kong: mplayer -cache 16384 -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv -monitoraspect 16:9 -demuxer lavf -ac ffac3 -aid 3 -fps 24000/1001 -lavdopts threads=4:fast:skiploopfilter=all -sws 0 %s

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bert_:

Can any one guide me in the compiling of Mythtv frontend? I'm stuck on the dependencies

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iamlindoro_:

bert_: apt-get build-dep mythtv

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CCFL_Man2:

i hate waiting for stuff to come in the mail

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bert_:

iamlindoro: thanks

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: DUH

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iamlindoro_:

duh moment

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: You *did* create a compatible codecs.conf in ~/.mplayer/, right?

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iamlindoro_:

'cause otherwise it *will* fail

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iamlindoro_:

like I said on the wiki, you need a codecs.conf and those entries I listed in it

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bert_:

iamlindoro: Will the fact that I am compiling for -r 14695 have any effect on the build-dep?

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iamlindoro_:

or you can just download my codecs.conf file from the same link

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iamlindoro_:

bert_: no

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bert_:

imlindoro: cool

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tanner:

iamlindoro_: i copied the one from the wiki into my ~/.mplayer/codecs.conf file

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: download mine and use that

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iamlindoro_:

then I can guarantee it's a working one

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iamlindoro_:

and start over from scratch trying to play with the full, correct command line

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tanner:

iamlindoro_: where is the file?

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: Sam place all the others are....

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iamlindoro_:

er same

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tanner:

its not where the deb files are

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tanner:

and the content on the wiki is what i have in my codecs.conf file

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iamlindoro_:

I'm looking at it right now

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iamlindoro_:

in the same dir as the .debs

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iamlindoro_:

reload your browser

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tanner:

i suppose it would help to refresh :)

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tanner:

$ mplayer -fs -vo xv -demuxer lavf -ac ffac3 -aid 6 -fps 24000/1001 FEATURE_1.EVO ? that one right

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iamlindoro_:

yes, presumably (can't confirm without the same file)

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kdub:

anyone know if there is a service that replaced portmapper?

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squish102:

my dvb card is recording static sound (or possibly only playing it back wrong) i remember setting up something to allow spdif but now for the life of me i dunno where that setting is

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tanner:

iamlindoro_: it would seem no go

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: Then I think you need to look at the source file, or at least try another title... though that one is confirmed working on my system

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, good luck

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tanner:

iamlindoro_: perhaps it is my rip. tthough i don tknow what ii could do wrong, currently i have my lg ggc-h20l connected to my compputer via usb to vmware with anydvd hd. i assume its just right click rip right?

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: Yup, I use the Xbox 360 HD-DVD for my rips, but yes.

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henkpoley:

squish102: tried alsamixer ? There's a spdif option, use [M] to switch it on/off

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tanner:

:(

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squish102:

thanks henkpoley, i'll try that

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, off to watch TV... try another title, it may work better, but no promises

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henkpoley:

squish102: it's a commandline app btw

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: You also may want to apt-get build-dep mplayer, just to be sure you have everything I built it against

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tanner:

iamlindoro_: weird, i have to download quite a few packages

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: Well yeah, but keep in mind those are the packages to *build* mplayer, not necessarily deps to RUN it

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tanner:

yeah, still no go :-\

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stowaway:

hello

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stowaway:

iamlindoro_ u there?

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stowaway:

does anyone know the location for myth tv themes?

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stowaway:

im trying to change the folder.png pic

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kdub:

/usr/share/mythtv/themes

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kdub:

might be /user/local

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kdub:

usr*

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tanner:

iamlindoro_: -vid 1 plays video :-\ although not the movie >.<

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iamlindoro_:

-vid 0

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tanner:

iamlindoro_: also, audio plays when using -vid 1

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: yeah, but no telling which audio track, may just be an AC3 track... that's what happens when you don't specify on the E-AC3 ones... it just goes through until it finds a regular AC3 track and plays that.... usually commentary, another language, etc.

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iamlindoro_:

that's why the demuxer, -ac and -aid are necessary, to manually set it to e-ac3 and which track, otherwise you'll end up with multiple foreign language and commentary only tracks

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tanner:

*shrug* no idea

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stowaway:

thansk dub

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stowaway:

kdub*

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tanner:

iamlindoro_: i appreciate your help, ill see if i can get working. bbl

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iamlindoro_:

tanner: good luck, no problem

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stowaway:

next question.. is there a paint type proggie in mythbuntu?

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purserj:

stowaway: gimp?

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stowaway:

cool will try thanks.

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stowaway:

jeeze i love apt-get install

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stowaway:

makes linux easy :)

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stowaway:

i notice that script u wrote iamlindoro_ is for tv shows only? is there one so i can do it for movies. coz i have 100+ movies and dont want to do it all one by one

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penney:

is their a trick for getting the Nvidia X10 remotes working? I've seen a lot of forums with way too many suggestions and I just wanted to know if there was something easy...

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