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Friday, February 8th, 2008, 00:02 UTC
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[00:06:52] mzb: guru stuff is in the kernel now, but for the first year or so it was fairly experimental
[00:07:31] mzb: I intend to be able to monitor and test remote machines, so working sensors are critical
[00:08:37] mzb: ie: "My box keeps crashing" ... hmm sensors show 100 degrees C  ;) .... ah ... symptom found that narrows the search
[00:08:48] mzb: (I don't want to do house calls;)
[00:09:35] npurciful: if your box is crash how you going to check without a house call
[00:10:25] npurciful: unless you come back on line and check a log, but i which case it will probably crash again
[00:11:21] doobeh: anyway to get a very verbose output from myth-frontend-- I need to work out why it keeps totally exiting when I leave livetv or a prerecorded program
[00:11:22] npurciful: no to be a donkey-mule or anything just curious
[00:11:37] mzb: Phone call: "turn machine on" .... log in over openvpn ... watch system
[00:11:50] iamlindoro_: doobeh: mythfrontend -v all
[00:11:59] AndyCap: profit!
[00:12:06] doobeh: thanks iamlindoro
[00:12:09] iamlindoro_: np
[00:13:02] doobeh: heh, that is very verbose :)
[00:13:05] mzb: npurciful: it's all about reducing the amount of time I have to travel, just to listen to crap in a language I don't understand
[00:13:35] doobeh: last message I get is:
[00:13:37] doobeh: 2008-02–07 19:13:05.391 read <- 11 51 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE[]:[]empty
[00:13:39] mzb: (eg: a story about how they can't watch their latest soap)
[00:13:51] doobeh: I don't suppose that means much to anyone?
[00:14:00] ** doobeh goes to ask google **
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[00:15:36] npurciful: well i supposed that could work, but when i had a cpu fan die on me my computer was shutting off every 15–20sec from overheating
[00:16:40] mzb: in that case the cause would be fairly obvious, and would require either a warranty return, or an expensive callout fee ;) ... in which case it _is_ worth having a shave and going out to service the client ;))
[00:17:08] npurciful: okay far enough
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[00:19:22] Aval0n: guys sometimes when I go to recordings instead of seeing the episodes on the left I get watch list, and favorite listed over and over.. if I go out and back in.. it's fine
[00:19:41] Aval0n: this is SVN
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[00:39:20] npurciful: hah, i leave and go get beer and the conversation went knowhere
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[00:43:38] mzb: midday here ;) ... not beer o'clock ;)
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[00:52:51] mzb: anyone know if I'm going to see much of a difference between a Sempron LE-1150 and an Athlon BE-2300 >
[00:53:23] mzb: (or even an LE-1600?)
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[00:55:47] mzb: I'm thinking about BE-2300 (or 2350) for combined FE+BE units, but possibly LE-1600 for FE (only) ones
[00:57:31] mzb: not sure if saving au$40–50 is worth the effort
[00:59:39] kdub: what on earth is a LE-1150?
[00:59:48] kdub: do you have to live in a third world country to get those?
[01:02:01] mzb: :)
[01:02:08] mzb: sempron 45W
[01:02:25] mzb: (2.0GHz)
[01:03:55] mzb: afaik 35W versions never made it to retail (oem's snapped them all up)
[01:05:11] mzb: ref: http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUResul . . . amp;f9=&
[01:05:59] kdub: neat
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[01:08:56] mzb: actually, for the price, I'd be tempted to go single-core Athlon (LE-1600)
[01:09:10] mzb: ok, I'll ask in a different way
[01:09:14] nuonguy: 8VSB is over the air, right?
[01:09:28] mzb: can anyone tell me why I'd want dual core for a FE (only) ??
[01:09:55] mzb: assuming HD (if it's ever used) is pretty much taken care of by onboard chipsets + GPU
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[01:12:13] nuonguy: I'm having some trouble getting my pchdtv card to tune
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[01:13:01] nuonguy: /usr/share/dvb-apps/atsc/us-CA-SF-Bay-Area says 8VSB
[01:13:11] nuonguy: is that for an antenna?
[01:14:04] nuonguy: for sf-bay-area over comcast cable, I want to tun qam256, right?
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[01:15:55] iamlindoro_: yes
[01:16:14] iamlindoro_: QAM-256 for Comcast
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[01:16:59] iamlindoro_: QAM 256, us-cable
[01:18:15] iamlindoro_: And, of course, that card needs to be set up as DVB 3.0 Card type
[01:18:55] iamlindoro_: Outside of that, Mythtv's scan works perfectly with those settings
[01:19:53] nuonguy: ok, what about Cable versus cable HRC versus cable IRC?
[01:19:57] nuonguy: What does that even mean?
[01:19:58] iamlindoro_: not needed
[01:20:06] iamlindoro_: Harmonically and Incermentally related carriers
[01:20:07] nuonguy: so, just cable?
[01:20:10] iamlindoro_: yes
[01:20:42] nuonguy: so, the scan seems to proceed and find some channels
[01:20:57] nuonguy: (I've tried this a couple of times through-out the day)
[01:21:04] iamlindoro_: OK... so what's the problem?
[01:21:13] nuonguy: what is with the channels named 2_2 and 4_2?
[01:21:34] iamlindoro_: That's how digital channels are numbered
[01:21:35] nuonguy: the problem is that after I've scanned and then run mythfilldatabase, there are still many that can't seem to get a lock
[01:21:44] iamlindoro_: Channel number, then subchannel on the multiplex
[01:21:50] nuonguy: subchannel
[01:22:06] iamlindoro_: nuonguy: That's because ymost of the channels you scan are only there temporarily (they are VOD channels)
[01:22:12] nuonguy: and pressing UP and DOWN on my keyboard does try to tune them, but most result in a message about 'no lock'
[01:22:24] iamlindoro_: yup, that's because they're no longer there
[01:22:24] nuonguy: I should ignore them?
[01:22:29] iamlindoro_: or encrypted channels
[01:22:33] iamlindoro_: yes, or delete them
[01:22:43] nuonguy: cool
[01:22:48] iamlindoro_: Pretty much just network TV is gonna be what you will get
[01:22:59] nuonguy: that's ok for now
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[01:23:13] mzb: ah ... sempron's above run too hot
[01:23:23] nuonguy: that still doesn't seem to explain why most channel won't lock and why my program guide doesn't match the channel that I actually seem to tune
[01:23:37] mzb: nope, scrub that statement
[01:24:26] nuonguy: so my pchdtv card is supposed to be able to both ntsc and atsc
[01:24:39] nuonguy: shouldn't channels 2–82 be plain old ntsc?
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[01:30:59] nuonguy: What does this message mean? "Timeout scanning qam-256 channel 119 — no tables"  ?
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[01:32:15] nuonguy: and what does channel 95#1, 95#2, etc mean?
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[01:48:10] Miranda_: hmmm
[01:48:19] Miranda_: Well, my tuning issue is DEFINATELY not with the tuner
[01:48:30] Miranda_: the windows utility tunes the channels PERFECTLY
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[01:52:37] Miranda_: iamlindoro, you alive?
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[02:18:15] jedix: now to make mythtv play everything with caca
[02:21:58] amrit|zzz: hehehe
[02:22:05] amrit|zzz: we put our office pony on the yahoo live video thing
[02:22:13] amrit|zzz: silly thing is like #2 top viewed
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[03:15:10] k-man: can anyone recommend a dual dvb-t tuner that has good linux support?
[03:15:13] k-man: in australia
[03:15:35] CCFL_Man2: in the US, we use atsc
[03:17:23] Agrajag-: not sure how that answers his question at all
[03:17:36] CCFL_Man2: it really doesn't
[03:20:12] k-man: no, not really
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[03:30:53] AnotherNick: XFS or JFS for myth's data partition?
[03:32:04] Agrajag-: ext3!
[03:32:08] SerajewelKS: what do home/end do on the editing screen?
[03:34:09] AnotherNick: gah, that's frickin annoying
[03:34:17] AnotherNick: "Tuner 1 is unavailable"
[03:34:31] AnotherNick: when I was JUST using it with mplayer
[03:35:24] AnotherNick: and 'lsof /dev/video0' returns nothing
[03:36:15] SerajewelKS: AnotherNick: maybe gremlins are hogging it!
[03:36:35] AnotherNick: SerajewelKS, I swear that's the case :)
[03:36:44] AnotherNick: because I just brought it back up with mplayer
[03:36:48] AnotherNick: lemme check config I guess
[03:37:19] SerajewelKS: AnotherNick: i used to have similar issues with sound pre-ALSA — /dev/dsp claiming to be "in use" but lsof displaying nothing. only a reboot would fix it.
[03:37:30] AnotherNick: SerajewelKS, this is a fresh boot
[03:38:03] SerajewelKS: AnotherNick: fun. dunno then.
[03:38:17] AnotherNick: and lsof doesn't show any video devices in use
[03:38:29] AnotherNick: with the backend started
[03:38:39] AnotherNick: that shouldn't be, should it?
[03:39:46] SerajewelKS: AnotherNick: sure
[03:39:57] SerajewelKS: AnotherNick: if the backend isn't recording anything and you aren't watching tv, why should it have the card open
[03:40:04] AnotherNick: hmm.
[03:40:33] AnotherNick: lemme load up mythtv-setup
[03:41:41] AnotherNick: Now here's something crazy
[03:41:54] AnotherNick: mythtv-setup crashes when I delete capture cards or sources
[03:42:11] AnotherNick: hmmm....
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[03:44:05] AnotherNick: 2008-02–07 15:41:33.348 DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1
[03:44:09] AnotherNick: Segmentation fault
[03:45:37] doobeh: Are there any alternate front-ends-- I'm looking for something that will just be able to read the listings of recorded programs and play them
[03:45:47] doobeh: oh, and can toggle between windowed and fullscreen mode
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[03:49:09] lotia: any gentoo users on?
[03:51:01] mzb: doobeh: a small script can do that for you ;) (along with xine's playlist feature)
[03:51:50] doobeh: ahh okay, build the playlist from the database-- I'll give that a go tomorrow
[03:53:24] squish102: any1 have a dsm-320 and use it as a frontend?
[03:53:46] squish102: dlink dsm-320
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[04:16:30] lotia: can setting opengl vsync on cause problems with HD?
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[04:22:29] AnotherNick: GAH
[04:22:39] AnotherNick: How do I find out why "Tuner 2 is unavailable" ?
[04:23:15] AnotherNick: Also, "Job Queue is currently empty."
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[04:31:11] sphery: AnotherNick: It says that it's unavailable? It doesn't say it's "recording ..."
[04:31:22] AnotherNick: "Job Queue is currently empty."
[04:31:37] AnotherNick: and tuner status says "Tuner 1 is unavailable"
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[04:33:59] sphery: AnotherNick: Usually that means that there was an error accessing the device. I.e. permissions or driver issues.
[04:34:28] AnotherNick: sphery, that's where it's odd. I can access the device as user 'mythtv' with mplayer
[04:34:40] AnotherNick: and it works perfectly fine
[04:35:05] AnotherNick: hmm
[04:35:08] sphery: and you're running the backend as user mythtv, not as root?
[04:35:13] AnotherNick: sphery, yes.
[04:36:21] AnotherNick: gonna try it as root once
[04:36:45] AnotherNick: still no bueno
[04:37:29] cmug: I am surely impressed with my 42" running mythbuntu on 1080p
[04:37:38] cmug: everyone should get one
[04:37:53] AnotherNick: cmug, it's on my wishlist
[04:38:01] sphery: AnotherNick: I'd recommend http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 , then. (There are reasons things might work and then just stop working without chaning your system, i.e. if they weren't properly configured the first time.)
[04:38:26] AnotherNick: sphery, okay, thanks. i'll check that out.
[04:39:00] sphery: good luck
[04:39:01] AnotherNick: You said "work then stop working", but the tuner on this box has NEVER worked with myth... only mplayer/ivtv-tune
[04:39:11] AnotherNick: Not sure if that's what you meant, but I'll look
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[04:51:20] ** Kazan notes multithreaded ffmpeg has been merged :D **
[04:57:12] mzb: doobeh: I have such a script if you're interested
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[05:00:48] mzb: I use this one for music videos (directory based play):
[05:00:51] mzb: http://openpaste.org/en/5024/
[05:04:40] mzb: and this one to play certain recordings:
[05:04:42] mzb: http://openpaste.org/en/5025/
[05:05:18] mzb: where it is invoked with a command like:
[05:05:29] mzb: $ /usr/local/bin/play_recordings.sh 5 Children "Bob The Builder%" "Pocoyo%" "Jakers%" "Little Robots%" "Rubbadubbers%"
[05:08:17] mzb: in both cases here, the playlist file needs to exist prior to execution (iirc), but can be an empty file.
[05:08:58] mzb: I just associate that file with the play command and assign info to it: eg. picture, total length (calculated by another script)
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[05:23:38] Jester86: hey guys
[05:23:46] Jester86: anyone have problems w/ audio playback?
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[05:24:21] tanner: anyone using hdhomerun over wifi?
[05:24:29] Jester86: well audio and video.. if its been a while since the last time my card recorded it records really bad
[05:24:41] Jester86: the video and audio are extremely laggy
[05:24:51] Jester86: but if i stop recording then start again its fine
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[05:47:19] grndslm: Yea... so something went seriously wrong with my last mythtv setup.. everytime i opened up mythfrontend, it restarted X!! Anyway, now I've got a fresh install, and, as usual, i'm having problems with mysql
[05:47:47] grndslm: how do i add the mysql user to the mythconverg db??
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[05:53:11] grndslm: ok... new question: everything appears to be setup properly... my real db is called mythdb, but here's what happens when I try to set the password for the mythtv user on this db, it says:
[05:53:13] grndslm: mysql> UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('pswdgoeshere') WHERE user='mythtv';
[05:53:13] grndslm: ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mythdb.user' doesn't exist
[05:53:39] grndslm: i've never gotten this error before, and i'm not a mysql pro, so... any ideas?
[05:54:22] Guyfromhe: odd
[05:55:57] Guyfromhe: try using doublequotes
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[05:56:04] Guyfromhe: inside of the PASSWORD( thing
[05:56:08] Guyfromhe: and make user User
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[05:56:22] Assid: heya
[05:56:27] Guyfromhe: hi
[05:56:29] Assid: can someone help me with mythtv-backend
[05:56:39] Guyfromhe: maybe
[05:56:39] Assid: it keeps using the wrong mysql credentials
[05:56:52] Assid: i want to change that. but i cant find the relevant config file
[05:57:03] Guyfromhe: mythtv-setup methinks
[05:57:13] Assid: that didnt let me add the mysql info again
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[05:57:57] Guyfromhe: hrm
[05:58:17] grndslm: Guyfromhe: double quotes didn't help
[05:59:13] Assid: too complicated settng this up
[05:59:29] Assid: Guyfromhe: isnt there a conf file or something i can work with ?
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[06:01:30] Guyfromhe: i dunno
[06:01:40] Guyfromhe: i don't think so
[06:01:53] Assid: i think im supposed to do it in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt but thats front end only
[06:02:01] Guyfromhe: grndslm: no idea then
[06:02:38] Guyfromhe: hrm
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[06:06:12] Guyfromhe: Assid: your sure the frontend and backend don't use the same config file?
[06:06:20] Assid: yes
[06:06:31] Assid: now im trying to reset the user to use whatever the backend is using
[06:07:42] Guyfromhe: i don't remmeber ever setting that
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[06:16:56] Assid: if i cancel the scan in progress
[06:17:11] Assid: will it save how much ever it has scanned so far?
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[06:20:05] Assid: brb
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[06:28:05] Assid: heya
[06:28:07] Assid: agaiun
[06:28:27] Assid: okay when i choose to watch tv.. it just refreshes and does nothing
[06:28:43] Assid: anyone have an idea what to do now?
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[06:39:33] tanner: anyone using hdhomerun over wifi?
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[07:02:59] tanner: is there an analog tv network tv tuner?
[07:03:49] grndslm: tanner: pvr150, pvr350, or pvr500 depending on what typa setup ya got
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[07:04:45] tanner: grndslm: again, a networked one (like the hdhomerun)
[07:06:25] grndslm: uhh... i dunno what that means
[07:06:43] grndslm: as long as you have a tv tuner and an ethernet card... any tv tuner can be a "networked one"
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[07:17:47] cesman: tanner: there is no standalone "analog tv network tv tuner"
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[07:23:15] tanner: bummer, too bad they didnt integrate that into the hdhomerun
[07:27:06] cesman: why would they?
[07:27:10] cesman: analog is dying
[07:29:58] tanner: cesman: because 90% of all the channels being pushed down my pipe are analog
[07:30:23] tanner: i'm not saying its the best situation, but most of the tv i want to watch cant be captured by the hdhomerun
[07:30:30] cesman: that maybe the case today
[07:30:37] cesman: but analog is dying
[07:30:54] tanner: yes, it is; however, today, i have analog signals i want to watch, but cant
[07:31:05] cesman: no smart company is going to incorporate an analog tuner into a "network tuner"
[07:31:39] cesman: then get an "regular" analog tuner
[07:31:56] tanner: i dont think thats going to work well with my laptop
[07:32:11] cesman: your laptop has USB does it not?
[07:32:30] cesman: analog USB tuners _do_ exist
[07:32:44] tanner: sure, however i would prefer not attach a usb device with a coax to my laptop
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[07:35:43] grndslm: tanner: sounds like you need a mythbackend server.... then you can connect to it from your laptop as long as you're within range of your router (so long as it's not 802.11b)
[07:36:52] tanner: yeah.. i'll probably get a pci tuner and hook it into my currently unused P3 box
[07:36:53] grndslm: find you an old junky pc, put a pvr150 or pvr500 in it... don't let it boot into GUI mode... and you've got a true standalone myth server that still records when your laptop is off or restarting
[07:37:43] grndslm: anyway... i'm out for now. HOLLA!
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[07:38:59] cesman: that certainly is one way to get a "network analog tuner tv tuner"
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[07:50:13] astyler: :(
[07:50:41] astyler: so upon splitting my machine to a front back setup and sending the 2x320gb drives to the backend...
[07:51:04] astyler: my frontend livecd partition manager shows no HDD (i put a 160gb IDE in)
[07:51:18] astyler: and neither does bios :( :(
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[07:54:30] JohnMahowald: Check your cable connections and drive jumpers.
[07:57:13] astyler: drive jumpers, you say?
[07:57:23] astyler: it's a single drive and it's on cable select
[07:57:38] astyler: the first thing i was tring was popping it out, reseating, setting jumper to master
[07:57:43] astyler: trying*
[07:58:15] astyler: just gotta hook it back up one second
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[08:20:30] Davo_Dinkum: Would a p3 1.1ghz make a good frontend?
[08:24:45] astyler: nope
[08:24:52] astyler: for what resolution playback
[08:24:57] astyler: and with what video card
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[08:25:16] _Ergo_: hello
[08:25:22] astyler: hola
[08:27:08] Davo_Dinkum: PAL resolution. it's a laptop with TV out
[08:27:18] Davo_Dinkum: a HP Omnibook XE3
[08:27:27] Davo_Dinkum: probably intel video
[08:31:02] directhex: p3 1.1 is fine for sd
[08:32:00] Davo_Dinkum: ok
[08:32:36] Davo_Dinkum: a front end remember. it'll connect to a back end over ethernet
[08:32:42] Davo_Dinkum: 10/100
[08:38:33] Davo_Dinkum: will it do HD?
[08:47:34] DGnome: no
[08:48:02] DGnome: assuming that you mean BBC-HD and the likes
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[08:56:03] astyler: no it wont do HD
[08:56:14] astyler: HD frontends need to be decently powerful
[08:56:25] astyler: also, my HDD is indeed dead
[08:56:27] astyler: sad day
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[09:43:29] stowaway: hello
[09:43:40] stowaway: is there a proggie to automaticcaly download imdb info? instead of doing it 1 by 12
[09:43:43] stowaway: by 1*
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[10:28:50] Bolly: hey
[10:29:17] Bolly: how can i launch mythtv with my remote
[10:29:45] directhex|bsp: irexec
[10:30:22] Bolly: i have 'begin prog = irexec button = Home config = mythfrontend end' in my ~/lircrc file
[10:30:24] Bolly: but no luck
[10:32:13] Bolly: do i need to manually start irexec or something?
[10:32:18] Bolly: or does it run as part of lircd
[10:34:57] sinthetek: irexec/irxevent need to be started manually in daemon mode
[10:35:19] sinthetek: they are kinda buggy, too (on my system at least)
[10:36:28] sinthetek: i had to make a cron job to run every n minutes to check if they're running and run another script to restart them when necessary
[10:37:45] sinthetek: if you have lirc compiled into mythtv, it doesn't matter so much if irexec dies periodically though (except when you go to turn it on)
[10:38:06] Bolly: it works fine in mythtv
[10:38:10] Bolly: and my pc starts in mythtv np
[10:38:26] Bolly: but it would be nice to be able to launch it incase it ever drops to the desktop
[10:38:34] Bolly: this is under my tv in my living room so getting a keyboard out is annoying
[10:38:47] quicksilver: you might just run a .xsession which keeps restarting mythtv if it dies
[10:39:02] quicksilver: and, indeed not bother with a desktop, since the myth user doens't really need one.
[10:39:19] Bolly: what's the .xsession for?
[10:39:35] sinthetek: yeah... well if it works fine in mythtv without irxevent you should be fine for the most part... i just don't think irexec is very reliable (at least not in conjunction with irxevent) to continue running without being checked
[10:40:05] sinthetek: www.mentalcases.net/~sinthetek/checkir.sh
[10:40:19] sinthetek: www.mentalcases.net/~sinthetek/restartir.sh
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[10:40:52] Bolly: thanks
[10:40:54] sinthetek: pretty simple scripts to make sure irexec is always running... probably something better out or some other mechanism to do the same though
[10:40:59] sinthetek: i just didn't bother looking 'em up, heh
[10:42:27] sinthetek: quicksilver's idea is probably ideal in your situation i guess...
[10:43:38] quicksilver: Bolly: the .xsession is what xdm runs when the user logged on
[10:43:50] quicksilver: and gdm too, I think
[10:43:56] quicksilver: if you're not using all this gnome session crap
[10:44:09] quicksilver: which fills your myth user up with nautilus and menu bar and other things it doesn't need.
[10:44:38] quicksilver: I do actually run gnome session crap personally, because I reinstalledm y machine and didn't get round to turning it off
[10:44:41] quicksilver: but it is a bit stupid
[10:44:46] quicksilver: the myth user doesn't need any of it
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[10:45:31] directhex|bsp: quicksilver, there are sessions other than the gnome session
[10:46:40] quicksilver: indeed.
[10:46:45] quicksilver: is that relevant to this discussion?
[10:47:01] quicksilver: the point is the mythfrontend user doesn't need funky hitech session management.
[10:47:10] Bolly: yup
[10:47:10] quicksilver: a simple .xsession which restarts mythfrontend if it crashes is enough.
[10:47:28] directhex|bsp: quicksilver, and a window manager unless you like focus issues
[10:47:35] quicksilver: yup
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[10:48:13] directhex|bsp: almost as if the ubuntu packages specifically comer with such a session
[10:54:21] Bolly: eek
[10:54:26] Bolly: now i can't login
[10:54:36] Bolly: it says could not exec Xsession
[10:55:23] Bolly: ah sorted ;)
[10:55:46] quicksilver: directhex|bsp: that's interesting, I didn't know that. ubuntu-maintainers++ ;)
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[11:03:16] meshugga: is there a best practice to let mythtv convert recorded shows to xvid avis?
[11:08:17] Bolly: it'd be nice if you guys merged the music and video player together
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[11:11:21] mchou_: sigh. so many toys
[11:12:02] mchou_: saw something interesting at the electronic surplus today
[11:12:24] mchou_: avc-3610 dual tuner USB
[11:12:56] mchou_: too bad there seems to be no info on how well/badly it works with linux
[11:17:35] mchou_: and linuxtv.org web site seems to be down when I need it most
[11:17:42] mchou_: sigh.....
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[11:25:30] meshugga: Loading MythTV recording info.
[11:25:30] meshugga: No valid recordings found!
[11:25:34] meshugga: whats the problem?
[11:25:58] mchou_: most likely your DB is messed
[11:26:10] mchou_: or not connected
[11:26:12] meshugga: in what way?
[11:26:21] meshugga: where does nuvexport get the info what it should do?
[11:26:24] mchou_: htf would I know?
[11:26:43] mchou_: your responsibility to find out
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[11:27:32] Miranda_: hmm, I wonder if my problems with my tuner being unavailable have something to do with mythtv-setup segfaulting when I delete things
[11:27:34] mchou_: heh, so Miranda_, you get a cable STB like I suggested earlier?
[11:27:36] meshugga: oh, thanks for the kind words and the useful answer.
[11:28:02] Miranda_: mchou, no, I don't need a STB.
[11:28:10] Miranda_: not yet anyway
[11:28:22] mchou_: Miranda_: no digital TV for you yet?
[11:28:28] Miranda_: mchou, nope
[11:28:54] mchou_: Miranda_: sigh. you really dont know what you're missing
[11:29:13] mchou_: Miranda_: you have a pvr-x50 now instead?
[11:29:38] Miranda_: right now I'm missing a lot, my tuner keeps coming up "unavailable" when it's free and ready
[11:29:48] mchou_: hehe
[11:29:51] Miranda_: mchou, yes, PVR-150.. bluelight special
[11:30:11] mchou_: Miranda_: huh?? Kmart still around??
[11:30:29] Miranda_: mchou, no, it's just a figure of speech :)
[11:30:55] mchou_: Miranda_: how much did you end up paying for it?
[11:31:00] Miranda_: $40
[11:31:09] mchou_: that's not too bad
[11:31:31] Miranda_: hmmmm.
[11:31:31] mchou_: in any case, your tuner shouldnt be "unavailable" in myth
[11:32:05] mchou_: and I've never seen mythtv-segfault (doesnt mean it cant happen)
[11:32:13] Miranda_: so how do I delete all of my sources/tuners/etc when mythtv-setup keeps segfaulting after I delete them... I cna't be sure it did what it's supposed to
[11:32:24] mchou_: umm, mmythtv-setup segfault
[11:32:59] mchou_: Miranda_: I dont understand why you need to delete them in the first place
[11:33:20] mchou_: set them up once, be done with it and enjoy
[11:33:31] Miranda_: mchou, well, this guide seems to think that they werent set up correctly to begin with
[11:33:48] mchou_: which guide is that?
[11:33:54] _gunni_: Someone here knows an error, where after stopping mythfrontend, then later starting it again you get a purple screen instead of video picture? Even in videolan picture is green or purple then. Xserver restart fixes this till next time.
[11:34:19] mchou_: _gunni_: most likely a xv issue
[11:35:06] mchou_: _gunni_: could be due to display driver (or bad mythtv initialization)
[11:35:10] directhex|work: _gunni_, nvidia?
[11:35:13] _gunni_: mchou_: You know how i can collect more info on my machine why the error occurs. dmesg, logs?
[11:35:39] Miranda_: mchou, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034
[11:35:46] _gunni_: directhex|work: nvidia, yes
[11:35:49] mchou_: _gunni_: if restarting X "solves" the problem I'm most likely correct
[11:36:00] directhex|work: _gunni_, driver version 100ish?
[11:36:20] mchou_: _gunni_: try a differnt version of the video driver to see if you have better luck
[11:37:02] _gunni_: directhex|work: 100.14.19
[11:37:24] mchou_: _gunni_: that's a bad driver
[11:37:25] directhex|work: _gunni_, upgrade or downgrade. it's a known problem with 100.x
[11:37:40] _gunni_: mchou_: I will try.
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[11:37:55] _gunni_: thx all for the help
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[13:05:17] alsadk: i want the configuration of mythbuntu control center?
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[13:20:37] bagpuss_thecat: alsadk: you better go find it then
[13:23:04] DustyBin: would one lose quality in a signal if a s-video >> scart adapter was used instead of using the TVs direct s-video input ?
[13:23:20] alsadk: i want how can i configure right
[13:26:50] bagpuss_thecat: alsadk: there is good documentation at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[13:27:58] alsadk: i try but i didn't get done this
[13:30:11] bagpuss_thecat: alsadk: this might help out – http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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[13:34:56] tjcarter: is svn presently in a reasonable state?
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[13:59:29] DustyBin: does anyone here use a special surround av amp with mythtv setup?
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[14:06:03] RediXe: Archiving a DVD and the output DVD is only a small portion of the actual recording I am trying to burn. I tried to log the frontend but thier wasn't a lot of info and nothing looked wrong from what I could see.
[14:10:02] DustyBin: "Video signals are enhanced by a Faroudja DCDi Edge Deinterlacer and HDMI and component video upconversion, which bring out the best in any video source."
[14:10:25] DustyBin: could a input like that help a mythtv signal?
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[14:40:50] sshirley: Does anyone here have a HDHomeRun?
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[14:45:36] sshirley: I am wondering if it would be wise for me to get one. At the moment I do not have a HDTV but I think I will in a couple of months. But I want to build my MythTV. A HDHomeRun can grab analog channels from cabletv, right?
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[14:55:31] DustyBin: "The Audiophile however allows you to send 5.1 AC-3 audio at 48k to a decoder.
[14:55:56] DustyBin: excellent, i can run my mythtv system in dolby 5.1 surround sound :D
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[14:58:54] justinh: DustyBin: any soundcard with digital out allows you to do that. don't be fooled
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[14:59:55] justinh: and sshirley that's a great waste of a HDTV tuner to grab SD analogue with it in _framegrabber_ mode :(
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[15:01:50] Dibblah: I am pretty sure the HDHR doesn't have an analog capture mode.
[15:01:52] justinh: DustyBin: I take spdif coaxial out of my intel HD audio onboard into my Yamaha rx-v457 surround amp. sounds schweet. don't need any flashy soundcard to do good digital. with digital output all the soundcard is doing is providing a port
[15:02:11] justinh: heh it doesn't
[15:02:20] justinh: misread that :P
[15:02:23] psm321: another scheduler bug :) (wasnt optimally picking tuners... overriding one fixed it w/o changing what was being recorded)
[15:02:53] Dibblah: Ooooh. KDE 4 must be better than KDE3.x – It has a colourised build system!
[15:02:58] justinh: and it's analogue, not analog
[15:03:00] Dibblah: </sarcasm>
[15:03:29] Dibblah: HDHR is USian.
[15:03:33] Dibblah: So,...
[15:04:10] sshirley: justinh, i know it's a waste. but at the moment i don't have an hdtv. i plan on getting one, but for now i don't. so....can i still grab sd?
[15:04:17] justinh: nope
[15:04:25] justinh: no analogue. HDHR does digital
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[15:04:35] justinh: or digital, or digital. I think it might do digital too
[15:04:37] sshirley: justinh, depending on where you live it's spelled analog. :-)
[15:04:44] justinh: ANALOGUE
[15:04:46] justinh: ffs people
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[15:05:15] sshirley: 300 million American English speakers...30 million (??) British English speakers...you tell me what's proper. ;-)
[15:05:28] justinh: English people from England
[15:05:44] justinh: we exported your language & look what you did to it :P
[15:06:26] justinh: anyway no, HDHR does only digital. want analogue? get a pvr150
[15:06:27] psm321: i would say analogue for the sense of "analagous to" and analog for the sense of "not digital"
[15:07:21] sshirley: lol
[15:07:49] justinh: the world would be a much better place if there were more pedants
[15:07:57] sshirley: So for the moment I should get a HDHomeRun, put it on the shelf, and also get a pvr150.
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[15:08:21] justinh: sshirley: or just buy the HDHR later. it's not as if it's the end of the world
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[15:08:36] sshirley: Actually did you know that in the late 1700's we PURPOSEFULLY changed the language?
[15:08:56] justinh: probably did. arrogant gits
[15:09:17] sshirley: To give ourselves our own identity and separate ourselves from the silliness that was Europe. ;-)
[15:09:46] justinh: yeah silliness. such as not letting under 21s get drunk but allowing them to buy guns :P
[15:09:49] sshirley: (mind you I'm both Irish and American, so I'm yanking your chain)
[15:10:11] sshirley: Well, the language and politics are 2 separate things
[15:12:54] sshirley: One has to be 18. Also you can't get every type of gun. Just air pistols and small rifles. :-)
[15:13:16] sshirley: But I guess that a topic for a different channel :-)
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[15:20:59] iamlindoro_: futile
[15:21:20] justinh: iamlindoro_: not at all
[15:21:39] iamlindoro_: just teasing
[15:22:06] justinh: welcome to the world of /ignore
[15:22:24] iamlindoro_: ouch! was only playing after all...
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[15:27:43] justinh: :-O ruby bindings for mythtv? like for when python isn't sucky enough?
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[15:34:37] Hoxzer: I personally quit learning python when I read that it uses tab's
[15:36:42] ali1234: most people recommend using only spaces since if you mix them, changing the tab stop can change the code flow. i think most python editors will insert spaces automatically if you press tab.
[15:36:57] justinh: spacing is all. I thought it was meant to be better for newbies. sounds like BS
[15:37:27] justinh: fwiw if you know nothing about coding anyway, just write in c++ & qt for mythtv
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[15:37:57] justinh: works for me. saves wasting your time learning a flavour of the month language that might go away in 2 years
[15:38:08] ali1234: better does not necessarily mean easier...
[15:38:39] Yggdrasil: can somone give me a hand with a script that checks to see if mythbackend is running and starts it if it isnt ?
[15:38:48] Yggdrasil: keeps randomly crashing out on me :(
[15:39:05] justinh: /etc/init.d/mythbackend start
[15:39:06] justinh: :P
[15:39:15] ** Yggdrasil glares **
[15:39:29] justinh: how about trying to fix why it's crashing instead?
[15:39:37] Yggdrasil: beyond my ability
[15:39:38] Yggdrasil: :)
[15:39:46] Yggdrasil: no actually i wasthinkgin of that too
[15:39:50] justinh: if you have a leak in a petrol tank do you keep topping it up?
[15:39:54] Yggdrasil: i think i need to upgrade to a later version
[15:39:59] Yggdrasil: justin generally yes
[15:40:05] Yggdrasil: ;) im an american after all
[15:40:08] justinh: dangerous
[15:40:31] Yggdrasil: its my patriotic duty to do things that way especially when it comes to oilfuel
[15:40:37] Yggdrasil: uh fueloil
[15:41:22] Yggdrasil: vdr@VDRI:~/.kde/Autostart$ mythbackend --version
[15:41:22] Yggdrasil: Library API version  : 0.21.20070820–1
[15:41:22] Yggdrasil: Source code version  : 14255M
[15:41:27] Yggdrasil: old ?
[15:42:36] justinh: there aren't many things which can make mythbackend crash
[15:42:47] Yggdrasil: hmm
[15:43:00] Yggdrasil: is that version up to snuff ?
[15:43:00] justinh: borderline digital TV signal strength is one
[15:43:00] ali1234: bad usb driver will do it, it seems...
[15:43:08] Yggdrasil: no usb here...
[15:43:18] Yggdrasil: could be a bad signal though its also dvbs
[15:43:19] justinh: Yggdrasil: dunno. depends who made the packages
[15:43:24] Yggdrasil: haha
[15:43:27] Yggdrasil: compiled.
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[15:45:06] bookmark: sup
[15:45:38] bookmark: hey does anyone here?
[15:46:05] bookmark: i was wondering if mythtv can be used in place of timewarner cable box?
[15:46:35] ali1234: you will still need the cable box to receive the signal
[15:47:00] bookmark: ah...
[15:47:21] Yggdrasil: if it has a usb or serial port you might be able to coax myth into changin the channel for you ?
[15:47:23] bookmark: so i can save 6$ a month hehe?
[15:47:49] bookmark: nevermind i wasn't thinking straight
[15:47:53] bookmark: but thanks for your time
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[15:48:29] mchou_: wtf??
[15:48:49] mchou_: ali1234: stop giving people misinformation
[15:49:24] mchou_: no cable box is necessary unless bookmark lives some place like NYC
[15:50:06] mchou_: ali1234: you never heard of a tuner card?
[15:51:32] tjcarter: Mac frontend doesn't compile
[15:51:36] tjcarter: there's a shocker
[15:51:46] ali1234: sorry, wasn't aware they made them with CAM modules suitable for US cable...
[15:52:09] mchou_: US cable has no such thing as CAM
[15:52:22] ali1234: they don't encrypt it?
[15:52:46] mchou_: nope. not for analog signals
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[15:56:35] Yggdrasil: haha
[15:56:42] Yggdrasil: sorr i jumped in on that too
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[16:25:16] samIam122: Quick question, How do I find out what ver of the backend I am running. I can't remember it's been so long :)
[16:25:28] iamlindoro: mythbackend --version
[16:26:31] samIam122: If I already have the backend running will that mess it up if I ssh into the box and run mythbackend --version?
[16:26:36] iamlindoro: no
[16:26:46] samIam122: cool
[16:27:05] samIam122: well it's mute point right now cause my ISP sucks and I can't get to my box :(
[16:27:24] Chutt: moot
[16:27:26] justinh: if you're prone to forget stuff try to remember this – mythbackend --help !
[16:27:58] samIam122: mute, moot, whatever ;o)
[16:28:03] iamlindoro: Chutt, I too weep for the literacy of our youth
[16:28:10] iamlindoro: or lack thereof
[16:28:20] justinh: the yoof's of today. they just aint got no ideas innit
[16:28:21] samIam122: too bad I'm not a yout :)
[16:28:32] iamlindoro: Then you have even less of an excuse, no?
[16:29:43] samIam122: other than the fact that I don't think I've ever written mute or moot in that context before, no I have no excuse other than ignorance.
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[16:31:07] samIam122: Now that I have shown my lack of understooding of the english language, I thank you for helping me out.
[16:31:13] iamlindoro: ;)
[16:32:37] samIam122: Now if I may, what kind of setups are you using? I've been playing over the last few months and I was heading towards a backend with an modded xbox as the frontend but now I am wondering if I should lean more towards a computer frontend.
[16:33:08] justinh: mythtv on the xbox stinks of poo and is about as slow
[16:33:19] samIam122: That was my fear
[16:33:24] justinh: it works, but boy is it slow
[16:33:49] samIam122: truth be told my backend is slow and stick of poo also but it's more of a test rig right now.
[16:33:52] justinh: XBMC with the xbmcmythtv python scripts is 'ok' but crashy. take your pick
[16:34:28] justinh: samIam122: unless your backend has only 32MB usable memory it won't be as slow as an xbox running linux
[16:34:31] samIam122: I tried that script but a few months ago I couldn't get it to work with Net Prot 36
[16:35:06] samIam122: oh.. my..... that must be terribly slow
[16:35:55] tjcarter: I don't know what protocol I'm using
[16:36:12] tjcarter: I know my FE can't talk to my BE and new FE doesn't compile
[16:36:16] samIam122: I can help you with that :) he he
[16:36:19] tjcarter: using svn sucks sometimes
[16:36:28] samIam122: yes it does
[16:36:49] ** tjcarter has redheaded stepchild of MythTV FEs **
[16:37:01] tjcarter: It works sometimes
[16:37:08] jduggan_: anyone noticed a bug in mythvideo from trunk? under Video Manager?
[16:37:12] jduggan_: where uh
[16:37:17] jduggan_: you cant manually enter imdb
[16:37:23] justinh: jduggan_: broken theme
[16:37:26] jduggan_: its like the raised input is out of focus
[16:37:33] justinh: jduggan_: broken theme
[16:37:34] jduggan_: justinh: this is in G.A.N.T
[16:37:35] jduggan_: and
[16:37:37] jduggan_: glass
[16:37:38] justinh: jduggan_: broken theme
[16:37:41] jduggan_: :(
[16:37:50] samIam122: I've got lots of broken theme messages on startup
[16:37:51] justinh: glass-wide won't work for SVN anymore
[16:37:57] jduggan_: ah
[16:38:06] jduggan_: ok, so G.A.N.T is broken in svn?
[16:38:12] justinh: maybe it is
[16:38:18] justinh: lemme have a look
[16:38:35] justinh: ahh. it doesn't have its own video-ui.xml
[16:38:54] justinh: jduggan_: your video-ui.xml is broken
[16:39:26] ** jduggan_ blames mythbuntu packaging **
[16:39:30] jduggan_: i'll try my own svn build
[16:40:04] justinh: jduggan_: in video-ui.xml find the "enterimdb" container
[16:40:48] jduggan_: yup im there
[16:40:56] justinh: jduggan_: then change <textarea name="numhold" to <remoteedit name="numhold" and the </textarea> before </container> to </remoteedit>
[16:41:46] justinh: I'll be glas when 0.21 is out so I can get rid of dual versions
[16:41:50] justinh: *glad
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[16:42:04] justinh: at least for a while
[16:42:10] jduggan_: ok let me try this
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[16:46:21] justinh: whoah bluray writers have come down a bit. already cheaper than MyFirstCDBurner (tm)
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[16:48:16] Kazan: what about readers
[16:48:17] directhex|bsp: yeah. and a reader is under a hundred
[16:48:33] Kazan: now that multithreaded ffmpeg is in myth i can probably play blu-ray disks
[16:48:39] Kazan: where directhex :D
[16:48:41] Kazan: that's a big drop recently
[16:48:47] justinh: getting on for time being called on the 'format war' too :)
[16:48:59] directhex|bsp: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=625330
[16:49:04] Kazan: format war is over
[16:49:04] directhex|bsp: pioneer, £85ish
[16:49:06] Kazan: HD-DVD lost
[16:49:08] ** Kazan is american **
[16:49:25] justinh: Kazan: the Obese woman hasn't wailed yet
[16:49:34] Kazan: internal drives are still $180 on newegg
[16:49:39] Kazan: yeah... but HD-DVD is done for
[16:49:44] directhex|bsp: £135ish to add hd-dvd support to the mix: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=727916
[16:49:50] Kazan: the big studios shifted to blu-ray
[16:50:07] Dibblah: You do know that Blu-ray is DRMed, right?
[16:50:13] justinh: Kazan: not all of them
[16:50:20] tjcarter: Dibblah: DVD is DRMed
[16:50:28] Dibblah: ... And the current circumvention is by title...
[16:50:31] tjcarter: BD media still costs too much
[16:50:34] Kazan: more than enough of them
[16:50:43] tjcarter: US$10 in a single pack? Gimme a break.
[16:50:44] Kazan: only thing between now and the fat lady is BR players coming down in price
[16:51:09] Dibblah: Bluray is not in any way deeply compromised, as far as I know.
[16:51:25] directhex|bsp: Dibblah, it is on windows
[16:51:28] Dibblah: Unlike CSS
[16:51:46] directhex|bsp: Dibblah, no reliable, portable implementation to write on t-shirts yet
[16:51:50] Kazan: *Shrug* i can get a stand-alone player
[16:51:58] Dibblah: directhex|bsp: Any methods that don't rely on a software player?
[16:52:17] Dibblah: And a debugger?
[16:53:12] directhex|bsp: Dibblah, yeah. step 1: install anydvd hd
[16:53:16] directhex|bsp: step 2: play disc
[16:53:52] tjcarter: cheapest BD reader at Newegg is $180 still
[16:54:01] tjcarter: That's not bad, but it's not yet good either =D
[16:54:04] justinh: how the hell do they get away with that?!
[16:54:33] directhex|bsp: postal address
[16:54:34] directhex|bsp: Antigua (West Indies)
[16:54:44] directhex|bsp: legally, antigua can pirate american media
[16:55:33] Dibblah: directhex|bsp: Uhuh.
[16:55:50] Dibblah: And, once again, any way that doesn't require a software player and a debugger?
[16:56:28] justinh: or windows ... ;)
[16:56:29] Dibblah: (AnyDVD just obfuscates that step by using a pre-canned version of the PowerDVD key)
[16:57:06] Dibblah: Which is ALREADY deactivated on new pressings, from what I can find.
[16:57:39] tjcarter: okay, that's the third time
[16:57:48] tjcarter: my Myth box just turned itself off, randomly
[16:57:52] tjcarter: like powered off
[16:57:59] Dibblah: Heat?
[16:58:02] nuonguy: tjcarter: is it over-heating?
[16:58:30] tjcarter: I'll check in a moment, but it's hard to imagine that, it's never done that before
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[16:59:24] justinh: it never overheated before, but then the fans had never melted before :P
[16:59:43] tjcarter: fans are currently running it says
[16:59:50] Kazan: says :D
[17:00:10] Aval0n: man
[17:00:15] Kazan: woman?
[17:00:22] Aval0n: ever sine I switched to opengl to render video I get frequent fe crashes
[17:00:27] tjcarter: whoa
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[17:00:34] nuonguy: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
[17:00:36] tjcarter: CPU temperature 93˚C!?
[17:00:45] nuonguy: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/trip_points
[17:00:45] tjcarter: It IS melting!
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[17:01:03] tjcarter: sweet crap
[17:01:56] tjcarter: nuonguy: I think I have my answer!
[17:02:12] nuonguy: did you use a good thermal grease?
[17:02:15] Dibblah: Of course, ACPI has _never_ reported anything wrong, ;)
[17:02:32] tjcarter: nuonguy: I wonder if something got knocked loose in transit
[17:03:15] nuonguy: I once had a machine overheat because I confused arctic silver's thermal paste with their thermal grease
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[17:04:55] ** justinh whistles innocently **
[17:06:09] justinh: we had a unix machine once – it never used to overheat at all. until it overheated. and how. all the magic smoke was let out of the motherboard. we couldn't make it work again because we had no way to put the smoke back inside the chips
[17:08:01] bagpuss_thecat: just the other week my gfx fan failed, and the plastic shroud holding the fan to the heatsink promptly melted itself off the heatsink
[17:08:04] bagpuss_thecat: nvidia++
[17:08:36] bagpuss_thecat: otoh, it works again now that a replacement heatsink and fan is fitted
[17:08:36] justinh: they really should've set a register bit aside for the fan
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[17:09:04] nuonguy: Don't they have that in their new enthusiast platform?
[17:09:21] bagpuss_thecat: gfx cards should have rpm sensors like motherboards, and clock themselves down when they overheat or sense a stalled fan
[17:09:27] justinh: they should monitor the fan speed as a matter of course
[17:09:41] justinh: nevermind as a 'ricer' feature
[17:09:48] bagpuss_thecat: my new gfx fan has rpm sensors, but the header socket doesn't cater for it
[17:11:40] nuonguy: didn't nvidia release some sort of spec on exactly this topic in october/november?
[17:12:34] nuonguy: here it is: http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvidia_esa.html
[17:13:07] bagpuss_thecat: nice
[17:15:01] nuonguy: I think this is where I first heard about it: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjE3NA
[17:15:28] nuonguy: or maybe here: http://www.hothardware.com/printarticle.aspx?articleid=1051
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[17:17:54] nuonguy: replacing my pvr150 with a new pchdtv hd5500 didn't make me as happy as I thought it would
[17:18:07] ** nuonguy changes the subject **
[17:18:19] justinh: course not. the analogue side of the pchdtv card is a framegrabber :P
[17:18:37] nuonguy: my old pvr150 tuned analog cable channels 2 to 82 very well
[17:18:54] nuonguy: justinh: I don't get what you mean
[17:19:24] justinh: it requires software to encode analogue video
[17:19:28] Kazan: PVR-150 = hardware MPEG2 encoding
[17:19:30] nuonguy: I expected that I would get the same channels in analog with the hd5500 plus a few of the same channels as digital
[17:19:38] Kazan: Analog part of HD5500 = software encoding
[17:19:43] nuonguy: that's ok though, I have a fast machine
[17:19:49] nuonguy: it can handle that
[17:19:54] justinh: software encoding is never ok
[17:19:57] justinh: :)
[17:19:59] nuonguy: really?
[17:20:00] Kazan: also a lower quality tuner most likely
[17:20:03] Kazan: software encoding is for the dogs
[17:20:17] Kazan: if it doesn't have a hardware encoder on it the tuner is probably crap anyway even if you have the CPU to spare
[17:20:30] nuonguy: I thought my problem was with tuning
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[17:20:46] Kazan: exactly what i'm saying
[17:20:52] Kazan: you only find good tuners on good cards
[17:20:53] nuonguy: scanning for channels finds a bunch like 119#0 unknow, 119#1 unknown
[17:21:06] Kazan: and all good cards have the name Hauppauge on them and have MPEG2 encoders in the analog world
[17:21:13] justinh: the problem is one of not being able to use HD & analogue sides at the same time too
[17:21:18] Kazan: that too
[17:21:34] nuonguy: is that why I can't tune channel 51 anymore?
[17:21:40] nuonguy: here, 51 is animal planet
[17:21:47] nuonguy: now it is just noise when I go to channel 51
[17:21:49] Kazan: more likely because the analog tuner is garbage
[17:22:01] Kazan: my ATSC/QAM card has a analog tuner.. i don't use it
[17:22:02] iamlindoro: nuonguy, like I told you yesterday, those random channels are VOD channels that are running at the time of your scan... they're unencrypted, but they disappeag when the watcher stops watching it
[17:22:09] nuonguy: 63 is comedy central, but this morning I see Jon Stewart lips moving, but I don't hear anything
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[17:22:32] Kazan: [11:20] <Kazan> more likely because the analog tuner is garbage
[17:22:41] iamlindoro: nuonguy, That's why you hve to delete them... on Comcast in the bay area, you will basically get network TV, Discovery (Standard Def), community access, and religious channels
[17:22:45] nuonguy: iamlindoro: I get that, but many other channels don't work either
[17:23:09] iamlindoro: nuonguy, In digital mode, that's *all* you will get
[17:23:14] nuonguy: downer
[17:23:20] Kazan: religious channels.. i removed them from my listings at schedule's direct
[17:23:36] nuonguy: Kazan: I'm going to do the same
[17:23:36] bagpuss_thecat: what would you guys recommend for a dual HD terrestrial tuner in the UK?
[17:23:51] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: none of the above
[17:23:51] ** bagpuss_thecat will be in the market for one in a couple of months hopefully **
[17:24:00] bagpuss_thecat: justinh: I know, that's why I'm asking :-)
[17:24:07] nuonguy: can you guys recommend something for me?
[17:24:10] justinh: and besides, there's no such thing as DVB-T HDTV
[17:24:18] Kazan: ?
[17:24:31] justinh: and besides even that, when HDTV comes to the UK it's likely going to be DVB-T2
[17:24:31] nuonguy: I'd like to get the plain old analog channels, as well as whatever channels are digital
[17:24:48] Kazan: hauppauge HVR-1800 nuonguy
[17:24:48] bagpuss_thecat: justinh: what are BBC broadcasting then for their HD trials?
[17:24:53] nuonguy: and maybe whatever I can get over the air
[17:25:07] bagpuss_thecat: I thought they were doing it over dvb-t
[17:25:08] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: DVB-T, but that's just a trial. thought that'd ended anyway
[17:25:13] squidly: does mythweb need to be installed on the same server as th emyth backend
[17:25:20] nuonguy: Kazan: kernel support for hvr1800 is not yet there, as I understand it
[17:25:24] justinh: squidly: the docs for it say no
[17:25:33] squidly: justinh: ok thanks
[17:25:41] bagpuss_thecat: still on the go I thought
[17:25:47] bagpuss_thecat: I'd heard the trial had been extended
[17:25:58] nuonguy: Kazan: are you using the hvr-1800?
[17:26:16] bagpuss_thecat: "BBC HD was moved from a trial service to a full service on 1 December 2007." says wikipedia
[17:26:17] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: any DVB-T tuner can receive the BBC HD trial anyway
[17:26:25] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: on dvb-s, yeah
[17:26:33] bagpuss_thecat: aah, k
[17:27:04] nuonguy: I'm trying to avoid getting a comcast cable box
[17:27:06] justinh: "The channel was also broadcast as a digital terrestrial (DVB-T) service from London's Crystal Palace Transmitter until May 2007"
[17:27:14] bagpuss_thecat: aah, yes
[17:27:16] bagpuss_thecat: "The channel is not currently available via the digital terrestrial service. The BBC claims a lack of available bandwidth on this service."
[17:27:37] iamlindoro: nuonguy, You *should* get a cable box
[17:27:40] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: no dual tuner dvb-t tuner worth buying
[17:27:50] iamlindoro: nuonguy, Since in the bay area we get most channels in the clear via firewire, including HD
[17:28:02] nuonguy: iamlindoro: and then a ir blaster to change channels?
[17:28:02] ** bagpuss_thecat has two Nova-T cards which have done him well for 2 years **
[17:28:03] justinh: bugs are still prevalent in nova-t500 – so far the only dual tuner card worky in linux
[17:28:11] iamlindoro: nuonguy, Nope, all done via firewire
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[17:28:23] nuonguy: you can change channels via firewire?
[17:28:28] iamlindoro: yes.
[17:28:32] bagpuss_thecat: justinh: great :-(
[17:28:42] ** nuonguy feels like he should have asked that much earlier.... **
[17:29:19] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: get two http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo= . . . &doy=8m2
[17:29:29] squidly: justinh: do I have to export the directory that holds my recoarding to the webserver so I can access them thew the website?
[17:29:35] justinh: two for less than the price of one
[17:29:46] justinh: squidly: RTFM
[17:29:58] squidly: justinh: where the the fine manual?
[17:30:12] justinh: I didn't mean fine
[17:30:33] squidly: really? I could not tell.
[17:31:51] Kazan: nuonguy: i am not personally using an hvr-1800
[17:31:52] nuonguy: iamlindoro: is the firewire channel changer in this script here somewhere? http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/contrib/channel_changers/
[17:32:04] nuonguy: Kazan: I have one, I bought it on impulse
[17:32:08] iamlindoro: nuonguy, If you are tuning via firewire, the channel change scripts are unnecessary
[17:32:16] iamlindoro: nuonguy, It's all handled within myth
[17:32:30] nuonguy: when I add it as a tuner, what type would it be?
[17:32:35] iamlindoro: firewire
[17:32:53] nuonguy: well then, that's helpful, thank you iamlindoro
[17:33:00] iamlindoro: np
[17:33:03] justinh: anyway, this is a two way street. you show you can't be bothered to look anything up, I show I can't be bothered to help
[17:33:12] justinh: :D
[17:33:20] justinh: it really works, all the time
[17:33:36] bagpuss_thecat: justinh: aaah, I thought I needed a special tuner to pick up HD
[17:33:44] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: you will
[17:33:44] nuonguy: someone a long time ago said to just get a box from comcast, but I had visions of using ir blaster and then fighting with remote controls
[17:33:59] squidly: justinh: I have been look on the wiki, and google. I get nada on
[17:34:04] bagpuss_thecat: k, just didn't see HD listed there
[17:34:09] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: unless they opt to use dvb-t – which there's no need for them to do since it'll all be in h.264 anyway
[17:34:10] ** bagpuss_thecat will dig around **
[17:34:15] iamlindoro: nuonguy, With analog, that's the case. But speaking at least for San Jose and San Francisco, I know that 95% of channels are in the clear via firewire.
[17:34:44] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: if ofcom go for dvb-t2, no dvb-t tuner will be able to use it unless it's compatible via software update or something
[17:35:01] bagpuss_thecat: supah
[17:35:07] nuonguy: iamlindoro: would this work if I were willing to splurge for premium digital?
[17:35:10] bagpuss_thecat: I'll wait and see what Ofcom say then :-)
[17:35:25] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: i.e. there's fack all point buying a tuner to be 'future proof' because nobody knows what the future is for HD in the UK
[17:35:35] bagpuss_thecat: lol
[17:35:40] bagpuss_thecat: typical for this country
[17:35:42] justinh: apart from grim ;)
[17:35:51] justinh: dvb-s will be where it's at
[17:35:59] justinh: HD on freesat
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[17:36:13] iamlindoro: nuonguy, I get the Premium digital plus HD package, and I get everything but a few of the premium channels via firewire. In the next month or two when Hauppauge releases their component capture box, I will switch to that and get 100% of my channels in HD.
[17:36:25] justinh: at least they have the bandwidth for decent quality HD on satellite
[17:36:38] nuonguy: component capture box? what's that?
[17:36:55] iamlindoro: A box for capturing HD via component outputs.
[17:37:01] justinh: nuonguy: captures component into a box!
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[17:37:19] nuonguy: component?
[17:37:29] justinh: component. yeah
[17:37:34] nuonguy: as in the component connectors on the back of my dvd player?
[17:37:35] iamlindoro: Yes. Component.
[17:37:45] justinh: god gimme strength
[17:38:03] iamlindoro: Or any *other* thing that has component... like your Blu-ray player... your cable box, etc...
[17:38:20] nuonguy: how do you know about this if they haven't released it yet?
[17:38:33] justinh: nuonguy: because we've got the Shining
[17:38:34] iamlindoro: I had to blow a dude.
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[17:38:51] nuonguy: worth it, I think
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[17:39:16] justinh: that and we read a press release some guy who's writing the linux driver told us about
[17:39:39] bagpuss_thecat: will HD on freesat be decodable using a standard PCI card, or will CAM majick be required, and other crazy stuff?
[17:39:58] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: no CAM is available to legally decode Sly TV
[17:39:58] nuonguy: is this what you're talking about: http://brentevans.blogspot.com/2008/01/hauppa . . . -record.html ?
[17:40:14] justinh: nuonguy: bingo!
[17:40:19] justinh: give the lad a banana
[17:40:34] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: remains to be seen how much will be FTA vs FTV
[17:40:35] squidly: hey justinh can you point me to information on how to setup mytweb for a remote backend and the requirements for sharing video that way?
[17:40:36] nuonguy: I love the tubes
[17:40:47] bagpuss_thecat: justinh: fsckin hell this sucks
[17:40:59] bagpuss_thecat: typical of .uk to cock it all up
[17:41:04] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: go assassinate the Murdochs or something
[17:41:10] ** bagpuss_thecat gets the gun **
[17:41:15] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: what do you expect?!
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[17:41:44] bagpuss_thecat: lol
[17:41:47] justinh: between the govt. all the various consumer panels & OFCOM.. they still have a combined IQ of 10
[17:41:48] bagpuss_thecat: working HDTV :-)
[17:41:54] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: get Sly
[17:42:19] bagpuss_thecat: another box under the TV :-/
[17:42:43] bagpuss_thecat: how well would a Sky box integrate with MythTV?
[17:42:48] justinh: oh I see. you want a non drm'd DVR with the ability to keep recordings as long as YOU say. I see. And you don't want to pay a premium just to watch 12 channels of mostly unheard of movies?
[17:42:53] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: it won't
[17:42:59] justinh: not HD. no way no way
[17:43:01] ** bagpuss_thecat has been a happy freeview DVB-T customer for years, and never looked at alternatives **
[17:43:09] bagpuss_thecat: supahmajick
[17:43:13] bagpuss_thecat: fukkit
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[17:43:20] bagpuss_thecat: I'll stick to SD
[17:43:33] bagpuss_thecat: bollocks to them all and their fannying about
[17:43:48] justinh: well, if Sly still output to component you could get a haupauge thingummy mentioned up there not so long back ;)
[17:44:10] nuonguy: now I might be able to justify a nice flatscreen hdtv...
[17:44:13] ** bagpuss_thecat still has a pending HD-DVD/Bluray purchase... depending on which cheating mob win the format war **
[17:44:14] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: for the netx generation or so the majority of content broadcast will have been SDTV originally anyway
[17:44:33] justinh: open all hours in HD !
[17:44:39] bagpuss_thecat: lol
[17:44:39] justinh: Dads' Army in HD!
[17:44:46] bagpuss_thecat: Dads Army ftw
[17:44:46] directhex: bbc-hd you can get in myth
[17:44:53] directhex: if you have a few billion mhz spare
[17:44:55] justinh: woo. ONE channel!
[17:45:02] directhex: is luxe on fta? :)
[17:45:09] directhex: anyway, need to boot windows for a few monites
[17:45:13] ** justinh does the "pretend it's 1945" dance **
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[17:45:42] bagpuss_thecat: lol, I only watch a few programs. QI, Top Gear, NCIS, and that's about it
[17:45:45] justinh: one HDTV channel, and it's only on air about 7 hours a day or something
[17:45:49] bagpuss_thecat: (I know they're not BBC)
[17:46:08] ** bagpuss_thecat can't justify subscription TV :-) **
[17:46:21] bagpuss_thecat: ach well, time will tell
[17:46:22] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: have you _seen_ HDTV yet? only BBC HD is worth having
[17:46:31] bagpuss_thecat: justinh: seen the demos in John Lewis
[17:46:35] bagpuss_thecat: looks loooooovely
[17:46:43] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: from disc or from Satellite ?
[17:46:59] bagpuss_thecat: t'was BBC HD demo footage
[17:47:07] justinh: cos from what I've seen, only BBC HD is comparable to stuff from disc
[17:47:15] bagpuss_thecat: also watched a few 1080 movies on my laptop
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[17:47:32] bagpuss_thecat: I got SD Planet Earth for xmas, and it's fscking gorgeous
[17:47:32] justinh: Discovery HD on Sky, Sky One HD.. great til anything moves.. and then... LEGO!
[17:47:49] bagpuss_thecat: when I get a HD TV, it'll be my first purchase beside the *DVD player
[17:48:21] justinh: tried playing HD on a SDTV? you can tell the difference actually
[17:48:46] justinh: even stuff shot in HD & shown in SD looks better than stuff shot in SD & shown in SD
[17:49:22] bagpuss_thecat: justinh: think I watched a HD shuttle launch on SD, looked stunning but had some framerate issues (software scaling)
[17:49:29] bagpuss_thecat: s/shuttle/Shuttle/
[17:49:32] justinh: thank god for HDTV in terms of US imports too – no more dodgy NTSC :P
[17:49:37] bagpuss_thecat: \o/
[17:49:49] bagpuss_thecat: Always Twice the Same Colour from now on :-D
[17:49:57] justinh: indeed
[17:49:59] ** bagpuss_thecat gets his coat **
[17:50:28] justinh: time to head home & crack open a drink methinks
[17:51:13] bagpuss_thecat: likewise
[17:51:29] bagpuss_thecat: catch you later
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[17:57:40] nuonguy: iamlindoro: one thing I don't understand about this hauppage pvr box: how is it going to deal with encrypted content?
[17:57:53] iamlindoro: You can't encrypt component
[17:57:57] iamlindoro: There is none
[17:58:04] nuonguy: as far as I know, it is not technically feasible, even if legal, to decrypt it
[17:58:21] iamlindoro: There *is* no encryption on component cabling
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[17:58:35] nuonguy: so, what is this device's input?
[17:58:47] iamlindoro: *COMPONENT*!
[17:59:19] iamlindoro: component in, USB out. The Box encrypts the component signal in hardware.
[17:59:31] nuonguy: so you get whatever setup your satellite/cable provider gives you, and then pipe it to this hauppage device?
[17:59:41] iamlindoro: yes
[18:00:07] nuonguy: and ir blaster to change channels
[18:00:13] iamlindoro: yes
[18:00:41] nuonguy: sounds pretty good
[18:00:59] nuonguy: and USB can handle a 1080p stream? I wasn't aware of that either
[18:01:43] iamlindoro: nuonguy, don't you work for intel? Should this all be simple for you?
[18:01:52] iamlindoro: compressed 1080p is no moer than 40 Mbit/s
[18:01:53] nuonguy: I do not work for intel
[18:02:02] iamlindoro: okay, must be thinking of someone else
[18:02:08] nuonguy: streaming is all magical to me
[18:02:09] iamlindoro: anyway, this box only does up to 1080i
[18:02:25] iamlindoro: But since there is no broadcast 1080p, you don't need to worry about that
[18:03:07] nuonguy: I started reading this: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=974452 and he mentions 1080p
[18:03:26] iamlindoro: He's wrong.
[18:04:11] nuonguy: the press release said q1 2008, I wonder if it's still on schedule...
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[18:20:11] tracer903: is there a cheaper or free alternative to zap2it?
[18:20:30] Dagmar: ShedulesDirect
[18:20:37] Dagmar: er SchedulesDirect
[18:20:46] iamlindoro: < 5 cents a day breaking your back?
[18:21:03] tracer903: lol, no, just like to get the best deal
[18:21:03] Dagmar: I'm figuring he stumbled upon zap2it's actual pricing info
[18:21:26] Dagmar: Unless you work at McDonalds, SchedulesDirect is worth the pennies it costs
[18:21:40] Chutt: but what if one does indeed work at mcdonalds?
[18:21:55] Dagmar: They could give plasma once and pay for a year's subscription
[18:21:58] iamlindoro: Then you should focus on feeding yourself and not building myth boxes ;)
[18:22:06] Dagmar: That too
[18:22:16] tracer903: lol, actually it's worse I'm a public servant
[18:22:28] XLV: how public?
[18:22:40] Dagmar: They pay more than minimum wage
[18:22:44] tracer903: lol, too public
[18:22:53] iamlindoro: Anyone who says they can't afford a nickel a day for listings but *can* afford the electricity to power their myth box is a fucking *liar*
[18:23:33] tracer903: i never said i couldn't afford it, I just wan't to shop around
[18:23:37] iamlindoro: I'm sure you can tell I have no strong feelings on the matter ;)
[18:23:55] tracer903: i guess you're a zap2it fan
[18:24:03] iamlindoro: tracer903, Schedulesdirect is pretty much the gold standard.
[18:24:13] iamlindoro: tracer903, well, an SD fan
[18:24:53] iamlindoro: Myth doesn't use Zap2It any more... not in the way it used to. It's still TMS as a provider, but not Zap2It
[18:25:19] Dagmar: tracer903: Due to the way SD works, basically, no one's goign to be able to beat the price
[18:25:47] tracer903: yea, it says $20/year, that is cheap
[18:25:49] iamlindoro: As to whether you can find some illicit way of getting listings, it's theoretically possible, but you will have an awfully hard time getting anyone in this room to help you after that
[18:26:19] Dagmar: Plus, grabbers tend to break when websites change format, that's lost time you have to go and figure out how to fix it
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[18:59:02] stuarta: evening
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[19:00:06] franck3d: Just got my first mythbox going last night!
[19:00:21] franck3d: anybody alive in here?
[19:00:30] ** stuarta hides **
[19:00:52] franck3d: I see you over there!
[19:01:01] stuarta: dammit
[19:01:55] franck3d: I have some transcoding questions, anybody up for that?
[19:02:45] stuarta: generally just, ask and people will get around to answering
[19:02:59] stuarta: time lag depends on many factors
[19:03:08] franck3d: got it!
[19:03:12] stuarta: including how busy ppl are, and how much beer they have
[19:03:32] ** stuarta just got some beer in :) **
[19:05:47] franck3d: I was watching Lost last night and I hit a key on my kbrd and it told me transcoding had started.
[19:05:49] franck3d: I have never done this before so I hit the key again to make it stop and it said "transcoding stopping"
[19:05:50] franck3d: and ever time I refer back to that file it still gives the the option to stop transcoding even though i already have.
[19:05:52] franck3d: have I corrupted the file? How can I reset the transcoding flag?
[19:06:28] stuarta: might be a bug
[19:07:36] stuarta: there might be a job in the jobqueue
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[19:09:37] franck3d: Thanks, I'll check the jobqueue.
[19:09:39] franck3d: one of my only complaints about myth is that it is hard for me to remember where all the setup options are!
[19:09:54] stuarta: heh, it's not the easiest thing
[19:11:33] directhex: xbmc appears to be 'neat'
[19:12:32] franck3d: if I understand correctly, I can setup my recordings to automatically flag and remove commercials and then transcode into a smaller file for archiving?
[19:12:34] franck3d: Or do I need to cut the commercials out manually after they have been flagged?
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[19:15:44] pab_: May be a dumb question but I ask anyway. Are all the setups in the mythconverg database or should I looking around for other configs to backup?
[19:16:02] iamlindoro: It's all in the database
[19:16:10] iamlindoro: and mysql.txt, of course
[19:16:27] pab_: iamlindoro, thx! Eases the mind
[19:16:40] iamlindoro: franck3d, You can do either... I personally wouldn't trust commflagging enough to auto-cut them, even though it's quite good.
[19:17:29] iamlindoro: franck3d, I usually bring up the edit screen on each of my recordings, press "Z" to import the commercial flagging as a cutlist, check to make sure they're right, and transcode out the commericals. Takes about two minutes but well worth it if you intend to archive the recordings
[19:17:52] franck3d: okay, will commercial flagging work on a transcoded file?
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[19:18:41] iamlindoro: yes, you can commercial flag any file that's in Myth's recording Database... but better to cut the commercials with a lossless transcode first, then do your transcoding.
[19:19:12] franck3d: here's another: I ordered a MCE type remote and should have it on monday. But will I still be pulling out the keyboard alot? should I invest in a wireless?
[19:19:41] sid3windr: normally everything should be possible to do with the remote I think
[19:19:42] iamlindoro: franck3d, That's entirely at your discretion. I keep one laying about, but for everyday use I almost never use it.
[19:20:38] franck3d: good to know! Right now I have a wired keyboard with 2 ps/2 extenders reaching across the room, not very wife friendly!
[19:21:01] iamlindoro: No, I imagine not. You can get *very* cheap wireless keyboards if you want to have one onhand
[19:21:46] franck3d: I've been looking into them, but I need about 10–1 feet of range and that seems hard to come by
[19:21:57] franck3d: I've been looking into them, but I need about 10–12 feet of range and that seems hard to come by
[19:22:01] franck3d: :
[19:22:06] franck3d: :0
[19:22:16] franck3d: keyboard gremlins!
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[19:23:19] franck3d: iamlindoro, which distro are you using?
[19:23:34] CCFL_Man2: thing is, you need a good set of rechargable batteries
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[19:23:58] iamlindoro: Ubuntu, usually, although I have done Fedora, Debian, and way back, Mandrake
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[19:24:46] CCFL_Man2: i have been dealing with noises all morning and afternoon!
[19:25:07] iamlindoro: btw, this will work at about 15 feet: http://shop3.outpost.com/%7B2mDfTbZ-S754urtMv . . . MAIN_RSLT_PG
[19:25:16] franck3d: i ran the mythbuntu setup on my box and am having trouble seeing my 2nd hard drive, it's ntfs would that make a difference on a stock xubuntu install
[19:25:41] CCFL_Man2: this idiot guy 2 houses down starts at 8:54 with the jig saw and other powertools doing something, mainly making a lot of noise
[19:25:52] iamlindoro: franck3d, So is it an ubuntu install, or Mythbuntu?
[19:25:53] franck3d: thanks lindoro, I'll keep it in mind
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[19:26:07] CCFL_Man2: franck3d: he is lindoro
[19:26:24] franck3d: k
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[19:26:47] franck3d: it is a mythbuntu, but I thought it was regular Xubuntu underneath?
[19:26:50] iamlindoro: franck3d, NTFS can be occasionally tricky, but should work mostly ok... Should just be a matter of mounting the drive
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[19:27:25] CCFL_Man2: i hate waiting for things to ship and for them to come, i want to install this new feedhorn and lnb now
[19:27:29] franck3d: yes, generally when I install ubuntu or a variant it finds the drive right away, but not this time
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[19:27:56] CCFL_Man2: iamlindoro: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 260209916883 <--what do you think?
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[19:28:42] franck3d: CCFL_Man2: yeah I ordered my remote from new egg and it feels like forever
[19:28:48] iamlindoro: CCFL_Man2, I don't know anything about Wavecom, I only ever worked with SA stuff... seems like it'd be fine, though
[19:29:46] CCFL_Man2: iamlindoro: yeah, i looked at it's datasheet and seems like it's a decent unit
[19:29:50] zabadapp: franck3d: i think you need to install "ntfs-3g"
[19:30:04] CCFL_Man2: franck3d: i hate waiting, and no stores ever have what you need
[19:30:15] franck3d: zabadapp, that's what I'm thinking too.
[19:30:57] franck3d: CCFL_Man2: I ordered 5 things from new egg and 3 cane the next day and the rest are dragging their feet
[19:31:12] samIam122: I'm back with another possibly annoying question and questionable language skills ;o) What kind of hardware would you guys recommend for a backend running 2 or 3 tuners. The other thing this backend would be is a webserver for a personal website. There could be 2 frontend access data at the same time, more in the coming years.
[19:31:49] CCFL_Man2: franck3d: newegg is great for shipping, sometimes not though
[19:34:02] iamlindoro: samIam122, Backends (that aren't also frontends) don't need all that much horsepower if your cards are hardware encoders... more if you are using framegrabbers, and more still if you plan to do a lot of transcoding/commercial flagging
[19:34:34] iamlindoro: samIam122, But for just straight up recording with good hardware encoders and some commflagging, you can get away with < 1 Ghz...
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[19:35:39] fuxxy_: What version of qt does mythtv require? can it use x11-libs/qt-4.3.2-r1 ?
[19:35:45] iamlindoro: qt3
[19:35:48] iamlindoro: only
[19:36:46] fuxxy_: and I can use emerge -x11-libs/qt-3* ?
[19:36:48] samIam122: iamlindoro: Well I would be Commercial Flagging and transcoding all the shows, but I have no problem scheduling that stuff to run at none use times.
[19:37:30] samIam122: I would assume that a frontend would need to be more powerful than the backend? or just have a really good video card?
[19:37:42] iamlindoro: samIam122, Well, just depends on how much you are recording, what codecs you will be transcoding to, etc... I personally am of a mind that a decent dual core system can almost *always* be put to good use
[19:38:14] iamlindoro: samIam122, Yes, more power on the frontend (depending on HD vs. SD) and since you can't do very much GPU acceleration of video on linux, the CPU is the more important component
[19:39:59] samIam122: iamlindoro: Make sense, I was hoping that I was wrong with what I was thinking I needed, but you are confirming my suspisions
[19:41:19] samIam122: I guess maybe I'll work on a front/backend to start and convert that machine to a backend at a later date.
[19:41:53] iamlindoro: samIam122, A lot of people will make lower recommendations... you *can* get away with much much less on the backend, but If you're going to be transcoding a lot, a nice middle of the road Dual core CPU (these can be CHEAP) will pay off... likewise with HD on the frontend... you *can* make it work with lower spec hardware, but you save yourself infinite frustration by simply buying the least expensive dual core CPU deal-of-the-week you can find
[19:42:20] iamlindoro: eg, I have seen C2D + Motherboard combos at Fry's for < $100
[19:42:50] iamlindoro: And while they're low end Core 2 Duos, they're perfect myth machines for anything short of full bitrate 1080p h.264
[19:43:46] samIam122: Yah there is a local comp store that is selling a DualCore 1.6GHz with 2GB of ram and a 160GB HD for $299
[19:44:02] fuxxy_: I bought a P4 2.8 HT + Intel motherboard on ebay for $100, I should have went to fry's
[19:44:13] xand: "gone"
[19:44:21] fuxxy_: xand correct.
[19:44:33] samIam122: so which is better, Duos or Dual Core?
[19:44:48] iamlindoro: C2 Duo *is* a Dual core machine
[19:45:17] xand: samIam122: dual core isn't a brand
[19:45:48] fuxxy_: I still say C2D
[19:45:56] samIam122: oh, the comp store lists one machine as a Dual Core and the next one as a Core 2 Duo. Just a little confused
[19:46:09] iamlindoro: Core 2 Duos, AMD64 X2s, etc. are products which are Dual Core processors... Dual core is the term, the others are the specific product names
[19:46:18] samIam122: ah
[19:46:33] iamlindoro: samIam122, They are probably referring to one of the earlier generation of Dual Core Processors which they would probably sell cheaper
[19:47:17] iamlindoro: ie, "Core Duo" vs. "Core 2 Duo" vs. "Pentium D" all of which are Dual core, but are all different generations
[19:47:27] iamlindoro: Core 2 Duo being the newest of those three
[19:47:51] xand: and Pentium Dual Core c.c which is based on c2d
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[19:53:50] ** directhex thinks xand is spot on r.e. the product in question **
[19:54:07] directhex: pentium-d never went as low as 1.6ghz, it'll be a "pentium dual core"
[19:54:16] iamlindoro: yup
[19:54:21] franck3d: speaking of dual core, I was burning a recorded show to dvd and it was using 2 threads and the machine felt slow, is there a way to limit transcode to one core?
[19:54:25] directhex: yay! problem solved! group hug!
[19:55:31] franck3d: what chat client are you guys using, i have client envy (chatzilla)
[19:55:46] iamlindoro: Xchat
[19:55:50] samIam122: Cool, thanks for clearing up that information
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[19:56:01] fuxxy_: BitchX
[19:56:02] samIam122: mirc at work
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[19:56:39] fuxxy_: friggin qt, it may be the cause of my mythtv-setup program crash
[19:56:53] keith4: does anyone know if I'll be able to do decent 1920x1080 playback on an ATI card?
[19:57:03] iamlindoro: No!
[19:57:24] iamlindoro: fuxxy_, you might try mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=gl
[19:57:27] iamlindoro: erm, that may be opengl
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[19:57:46] keith4: Unfortunately, I need a low profile, PCIE x1 card, and the nvidia pickings are slim. the one I tried didn't work. I'm almost at the point of settling for ATI
[19:57:55] fuxxy_: iamlindoro hmm
[19:58:01] fuxxy_: let me try that once
[19:58:26] samIam122: Is there a problem using ATI with Myth? The wiki makes it sound like a no-no
[19:58:47] iamlindoro: samIam122, It is extremely bad nes. the drivers are a train wreck and it invariably causes problems
[19:58:50] iamlindoro: er new
[19:58:51] iamlindoro: news
[19:59:07] fuxxy_: It's just more difficult to get working, and the ati cards don't have builtin mpeg2 decompression
[19:59:18] xand: in general ATI support on linux is sucky compared to nvidia
[19:59:34] iamlindoro: samIam122, Is it *possible* to make Myth work with an ATI card... yes, it's been done... is it possible to make it work in any sort of high-performance situation? I would say no.
[19:59:40] keith4: I tried this card, and for some reason I couldn't get any output from it at all once I left VGA mode: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133183
[19:59:55] samIam122: Oh for sure, I've got an ATI in my main machine and the 3d acceleration does exist as far as Cedega is concerned
[20:00:10] fuxxy_: iamlindoro nope, opengl painting help didn't help
[20:00:30] fuxxy_: thanks for the suggestion though
[20:00:48] iamlindoro: fuxxy_, Then it's not a qt problem
[20:01:11] iamlindoro: or, at least, not the qt painter
[20:01:26] samIam122: Can Myth access Samba Shares on a backend or on a combined machine, video's and music in directories not involved in recordings?
[20:01:45] fuxxy_: iamlindoro could qt still have something to do with it?
[20:01:50] iamlindoro: samIam122, That questions a little unclear, but if you mean what I think you do, then yes.
[20:01:52] fuxxy_: samIam122 yes... forget what the plugin is called
[20:02:12] jams: mythmusic & mythvideo
[20:02:13] iamlindoro: fuxxy_, What is it that leads you to believe you have a qt problem?
[20:02:28] fuxxy_: iamlindoro just a comment someone made on bugs.gentoo.org
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[20:02:39] directhex: keith4, there are gf8400gs and gf7300le cards in low profile config
[20:02:43] iamlindoro: fuxxy_, What symptoms are you seeing?
[20:02:46] directhex: xfx make them
[20:02:55] keith4: directhex: sure, but not PCIE x1
[20:03:01] samIam122: Cool, right now I use XBMC to access videos and music on my 'media server' When I setup a myth frontend I want to be able to replace XBMC
[20:03:09] directhex: keith4, so? let the remaining pins hang out. it'll still work
[20:03:15] iamlindoro: keith4, What in the world kind of motherboard only has a PCIe 1x?
[20:03:19] fuxxy_: I'm having hell trying to get mythtv to compile with debug options
[20:03:26] keith4: iamlindoro: some dell optiplex thing
[20:03:27] fuxxy_: iamlindoro http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209346
[20:03:29] iamlindoro: samIam122, yes, that's possible
[20:03:29] keith4: directhex: what?!
[20:03:58] directhex: keith4, pins mean bandwidth, that's all. i've seen people running SLI on via motherboards, with 1 card in a 16x slot and 1 in a 1x slot
[20:04:29] directhex: keith4, think of it like the pci-x cards that work on regular pci, with pins hanging out
[20:04:36] iamlindoro: fuxxy_, I don't think that's your issue
[20:05:00] iamlindoro: That's just some guy's random hunch, no proof or logic to his theory
[20:05:04] fuxxy_: hhe
[20:05:21] jams: huh looks like i won a webcam from some paypal sweepstakes
[20:05:31] fuxxy_: well, I can't help him, stupid mythtv compiled with debug flags and won't show anything in a gdb trace
[20:05:32] jams: didn't even know that i entered
[20:05:37] iamlindoro: If there's a segfault, you should be building myth with compile-type=debug and submitting a backtrace
[20:06:03] fuxxy_: jams quick, send them your credit card information so they can ship it to you!
[20:06:34] jams: fuxxy_- already been shipped, i'm looking at it right now.
[20:07:03] fuxxy_: iamlindoro I replaced -fomit-frame-pointer with -ggdb in my CFLAGS, and compiled with ' USE="debug" emerge mythtv'
[20:07:16] fuxxy_: still mythtv won't show any debug symbols when loaded with gdb
[20:08:06] iamlindoro: fuxxy_, I don't know anything about Gentoo's emerge, just know the flag for compiling myth regular-like
[20:08:06] jams: fuxxy_- does mythbackend --version show that it was compiled for debug ?
[20:08:35] fuxxy_: jams – yes.
[20:08:58] jams: iamlindoro- scooba showed up last week. Does a better job then i expected.
[20:09:03] keith4: directhex: i'm pretty sure you're mistaken, but i'll look into it
[20:09:28] iamlindoro: jams, Yeah, I like! *mush* easier to clean than the roomba, too
[20:09:30] iamlindoro: er much
[20:10:13] jams: yes it is, just wish it could be left charging like the roomba.
[20:10:18] Chutt: anyone happen to own a sanyo plv-z2000?
[20:10:22] directhex: "All devices must minimally support single-lane (x1) link."
[20:10:45] directhex: hm, damn. "It is not possible to place a physically larger PCIe card (e.g. a 16x sized card) into a smaller slot, even though the two would be signal-compatible if it were possible."
[20:10:50] directhex: i'm sure i've seen it
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[20:11:31] fuxxy_: iamlindoro the mythtv-setup program crashing isn't my main problem. My main problem is that my tuner shows up as 'unavailable', and another user referred me to a bugreport , something about an improperly configured setup.. and told him to delete all cards and settings
[20:11:52] fuxxy_: iamlindoro I'm thinking that this is my problem all along, I've got some settings that havent been purged
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[20:12:10] iamlindoro: fuxxy_, If this is a fresh install, you could just dump your database and load a fresh one
[20:12:33] fuxxy_: iamlindoro, I could.. I'm no good with mysql though. I wouldnt' knwo where to start
[20:12:37] jams: Chutt- i don't own one, but just curious as to why you ask.
[20:12:54] Chutt: replacing my busted old projector
[20:13:02] jams: ah
[20:13:02] Chutt: pondering buying a new one
[20:13:05] iamlindoro: fuxxy_, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.6
[20:13:11] iamlindoro: fuxxy_, That's how you remove the old database
[20:13:31] iamlindoro: fuxxy_, Then you just use the mc.sql file from the source like so: mysql -u root -p < mc.sql
[20:13:41] Chutt: the sanyo's attractive ($600 in rebates, 3 year warranty, cheap-ish bulbs, 1080p), but picture quality isn't as good as it's (more expensive) competitors
[20:13:47] Chutt: from reviews, at least..
[20:14:00] fuxxy_: iamlindoro, so I do step 23.6 to delete the database, and then go up to 23.5 to restore it?
[20:14:24] iamlindoro: fuxxy_, You're not restoring anything, you want a fresh databas, not a backup
[20:14:34] iamlindoro: fuxxy_, I just gave you the step of how to create a fresh one
[20:14:39] iamlindoro: read above
[20:14:50] iamlindoro: mysql -u root -p < mc.sql
[20:14:56] jams: already spending that "rebate" from the government.
[20:14:56] iamlindoro: in the same directory as the mc.sql from the source
[20:15:29] Chutt: no tax rebate for me :p
[20:15:41] fuxxy_: iamlindoro grr... "Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)"
[20:16:29] iamlindoro: fuxxy_, Did you use -p?
[20:16:42] iamlindoro: fuxxy_, and then enter your mysql root password? (NOT your root user password)
[20:16:49] fuxxy_: iamlindoro, havent yet, but I suck at mysql, remember :)
[20:17:03] jams: if one shows up it *might* go towards an appletv.
[20:17:10] iamlindoro: I assume you're still trying to drop the database
[20:17:18] fuxxy_: iamlindoro, yes.
[20:17:20] fuxxy_: got it now
[20:17:25] iamlindoro: instead of the howto's "mysql -u root," do "mysql -u root -p
[20:17:26] iamlindoro: "
[20:17:32] fuxxy_: dropped
[20:17:37] fuxxy_: now to make a new one
[20:18:22] jams: i would love to support them as part of my setup.
[20:18:22] fuxxy_: the guide refers to /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql, but there's also one in /usr/portage/distfiles/svn-src/mythtv/mythtv/database/mc.sql
[20:18:31] iamlindoro: fuxxy_, They're all the same
[20:18:34] iamlindoro: any will be fine
[20:18:34] fuxxy_: kk
[20:19:40] fuxxy_: okay, imported
[20:19:48] fuxxy_: now I can set up my sources again, correct?
[20:19:59] iamlindoro: you set up everything again. all your settings are gone now.
[20:20:27] fuxxy_: lets cross our fingers
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[20:22:19] CCFL_Man2: the hard drive must be failing
[20:22:47] CCFL_Man2: when i go into the win2k recovery console it just resets
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[20:23:00] CCFL_Man2: thats the only thing i can think of
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[20:23:48] CCFL_Man2: shitty consumer oem computers
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[20:51:14] neopsyche: hello
[20:51:20] neopsyche: can anyone help me with tv record solution.
[20:51:27] neopsyche: strugling to install xdtv
[20:51:37] justinh: wth is xdtv?
[20:51:57] iamlindoro: Appears to be something very *not* mythtv
[20:51:58] justinh: ahh you'll be needing #xdtv
[20:52:08] neopsyche: xdtvb
[20:52:11] neopsyche: can anyone help
[20:52:30] neopsyche: no such help
[20:52:33] iamlindoro: Umm... we don't *do* that here. This is the *mythtv* channel
[20:52:42] neopsyche: can you help me install myth?
[20:52:52] justinh: only help for mythtv here sorry. and lirc (grudgingly). and mysql (again, grudgingly)
[20:52:55] iamlindoro: I can tell you to read the manual, does that help?
[20:52:57] ** bagpuss_thecat watches from the sidelines **
[20:53:30] justinh: bagpuss_thecat: don't. this channel is a shining example of how tech support over IRC doesn't work :P
[20:54:05] ** stuarta throws TFM **
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[20:54:23] franck3d: I installed mythbuntu very easily, give it a shote
[20:54:29] franck3d: shite?
[20:54:34] franck3d: shot!
[20:54:49] ** stuarta chuckles **
[20:55:03] justinh: uhoh. doggy's dancing. ahhh it's the mrs' turn :)
[20:56:15] stuarta: doggy or dodgy?
[20:57:11] justinh: doggy. it's that time again. walkies!
[20:57:33] stuarta: walkies? now? blimey
[20:57:37] justinh: 3 30 minute walks a day, much more at weekends. we should be fit by now
[20:58:00] tjcarter: figured out why the machine was overheating
[20:58:06] stuarta: maybe a bit lighter?
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[20:58:15] justinh: stuarta: remains to be seen
[20:58:36] tjcarter: the rear fan is an Antec quiet fan that connects to PSU, not mobo. The Antec PSU has a fan-only rail that's stopped providing power
[20:58:44] fysa: waiting until 4pm to eat breakfast is probably not what my body wants.
[20:59:01] ** justinh ponders making an auto-insult script for anybody with 'neo' in their nick **
[20:59:05] stuarta: fysa: depends if you were drinking beer until midday or not
[20:59:09] fysa: haha
[20:59:17] tjcarter: I have removed the stupid Antec cooking duct and turned the fan up
[20:59:28] stuarta: plug it into the mobo
[20:59:30] tjcarter: that should keep CPU under 93˚C I hope =p
[20:59:41] justinh: 1. character names from teh matr1x do not good IRC nicks make
[21:00:14] tjcarter: stuarta: it's 120mm and has no tach
[21:00:23] tjcarter: I just need to replace it with a decent fan  ;)
[21:00:36] stuarta: 120mm is good.
[21:00:38] tjcarter: I never liked this "silent" Antec case
[21:00:45] tjcarter: ut vibrates
[21:00:48] stuarta: high airflow for low rotation speed
[21:00:56] tjcarter: kinda defeats the purpose of being silent
[21:00:57] stuarta: buy a new one
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[21:01:23] tjcarter: I'm seriously contemplating it =D
[21:02:07] tjcarter: Got suggestions for a case with decent thermal characteristics? (keep in mind I use a Mac and I'm not used to ten million extra PSU wires screwing up the thermal envelope)
[21:02:33] ** tjcarter loved his G5.. No loose wires in the case. **
[21:02:39] fysa: I've heard fanless C2D works well.
[21:03:01] fysa: cost of the new case could get you a new CPU instead ;)
[21:03:19] tjcarter: Well this is an old stock cooler AMD AM2 singlecore chip
[21:03:28] tjcarter: no I genuinely hate this Antec
[21:03:41] fysa: I just had an Antec PSU die and take a motherboard with it..
[21:04:23] tjcarter: it's got this infinitely scratchable glossy finish, the front panel stuff doesn't fit right, the thing vibrates like hell, I'm on my second PSU, and it's got a stupid door
[21:04:25] fysa: http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/scniplre6hep.html
[21:04:52] jams: tjcarter- which antec?
[21:04:54] tjcarter: also, its cooling design is great, except that you cannot filter all of the inlets and outlets because it uses this weird ducting shit that doesn't work
[21:04:56] fysa: I have a Silverstone Lsomething MicroATX I'm trying to get rid of, but shipping might be a pain.
[21:05:01] fysa: ;)
[21:05:12] tjcarter: jams: have I described it sufficiently?  ;)
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[21:05:43] tjcarter: purchased about 1.5 years ago, so Antec may have dumped this model
[21:05:48] jams: tjcarter- i also have one antec i don't like. The others are great but the sonta is awful.
[21:06:14] tjcarter: Sonata.
[21:06:16] tjcarter: 2
[21:06:21] tjcarter: that's what it is
[21:06:32] bsdfox: I just got a sonata 3 w/ 500w earthwatts for $50
[21:06:36] bsdfox: it's not a horrible case
[21:07:07] jams: i have the sonata 1. worst antec I have ever owned. Not the worst case but certainly the worst antec.
[21:07:23] tjcarter: what I really want is a case with an easy to access HD cage that is pretty much made for SATA, no cable clutter inside, and a matching PSU
[21:07:46] tjcarter: I'm starting to think PSU in the bottom is a better idea
[21:08:04] tjcarter: PSU isn't that great for moving heat out and the cable clutter makes for hotspots
[21:08:20] stuarta: depends a lot on the cpu
[21:08:27] stuarta: s/cpu/psu
[21:08:45] tjcarter: they all have ten million wires that you can't really do anything with
[21:08:49] stuarta: decent ones have a nice big 120mm fan on the inside part of the psu
[21:09:00] tjcarter: this has that =)
[21:09:03] stuarta: crap ones have the 80mm fan on the back
[21:09:19] tjcarter: I haven't bought a PSU with an 80mm fan in almost a decade
[21:09:34] stuarta: good :)
[21:10:08] jams: mine are fanless
[21:10:48] jams: with modular plugs so there is no extra cable clutter.
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[21:12:22] stuarta: ah quality ntl broadband
[21:12:32] Hoxzer: Is it possible to create an similar "run script" entry to the mythvideo as "search imdb" has ? I have a subtitle get script and it would be cool to be able to use it from mythtv
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[21:12:55] franck3d: I have a amd x2 3800 1.5g ram, should I be able to rip DVDs and still watch Live/recorded tv at the same time?
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[21:13:57] keith4: franck3d: SD?
[21:14:21] franck3d: no, mostly ota HD nvidia 6200 wtw
[21:14:26] franck3d: btw
[21:15:41] Hoxzer: :) It is coold that dvd::rip has a clustering feature
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[21:16:02] justinh: stuarta: nah it was a ctrl-typo
[21:16:17] justinh: too many screen sessions open ;)
[21:16:39] stuarta: heh
[21:18:15] bsdfox: tjcarter: I have an antec p180 I like a lot
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[21:18:37] bsdfox: very quiet too. I think it's been replaced by the p182 but both have the psu on the bottom in a seperate compartment
[21:21:58] stuarta: tell you what, there's some shit movies coming up
[21:23:20] franck3d: true dat!
[21:25:01] henkpoley: I'd really like to know why tuning to the same DVB channel with MythTV and czap (tuning program) leads to a lock (correct channel reception) in the latter, but not in MythTV
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[21:26:54] tjcarter: oh that did much for glass-wide
[21:27:50] ** tjcarter took the background and darkened it with a 50% opacity black on top **
[21:27:57] tjcarter: much higher contrast
[21:28:28] stuarta: henkpoley: well now that's an interesting question, and most likely a bug
[21:28:45] franck3d: I know that the current version of mythtv does not like to have multiple drives as targets for recording, so If I add a new larger drive, do I just set myth to look there to record or will It get screwed up if I change that?
[21:29:33] henkpoley: stuarta: also the frontend decides that it's time to stop responding at random, when I try to view a DVB channel
[21:29:41] stuarta: hmmm
[21:29:52] henkpoley: probably doesn't like the non locked stream
[21:30:10] stuarta: no it doesn't
[21:33:59] henkpoley: Hmm, might be similar to my problem: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . eaded#313977
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[21:39:34] tjcarter: Okay, I have input groups question.. I had to create a new input group twice?
[21:40:04] tjcarter: I could not select anything but generic in the firewire input for my STB
[21:41:15] tjcarter: then I had to go select it a second time, weird--it seems to have not taken the first time
[21:45:18] tjcarter: okay, and I really don't know how to set up the channels
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[21:56:16] niter3: some people
[21:56:22] niter3: soooome peoeeople man
[21:56:29] niter3: need a kick square in the a$$
[21:56:58] franck3d: leave my a$$ out of this!
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[21:57:26] niter3: honestly... I just can't get along with certain personailities...
[21:57:30] niter3: they drive me crazy
[21:57:36] niter3: like kick you in the face crazy
[21:58:31] niter3: So how do you people deal with crazy retards?
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[21:58:51] niter3: smash them with a tv?
[21:58:53] niter3: yah!!!
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[22:02:01] niter3: uit
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[22:09:11] stowaway: hello.
[22:09:30] stowaway: whats the proggie to automaticcally download imdb info? instead of doing it 1 by 1
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[22:10:30] opentrinity: i have the message Unable to access to mythtv perl API...how i can fix this problem?
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[22:13:15] nordenm: I'm thinking of setting up an xbox1 as frontend in our bedroom, has anyone here tried it? Judging by the wiki it seems like a good fit but I'd like to know about boottimes etc.
[22:13:24] tjcarter: okay, this is lame  ;)
[22:13:43] tjcarter: There's a stupid infomercial on one of my firewire channels
[22:13:49] tjcarter: they have it black barred
[22:14:12] tjcarter: but it's clear (because you can see "over" the top of the black bars in the overscan area
[22:14:39] tjcarter: the infomercial is widescreen and getting black-barred to 4:3  ;)
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[22:20:46] stowaway: does anyone here use mythtv to sort out their Tvshows?
[22:20:59] alexvd: stowaway: thier is a script. Goto knoppmyth forums and do a search
[22:21:38] alexvd: stowaway: I think someone did a script for grabbing tvtime info for show as well. Have to search though
[22:22:09] iamlindoro: Or you could just use the one I wrote :)
[22:22:13] stowaway: yeah but even when there is a script. does it all need to be viewed from "watch videos"
[22:22:22] stowaway: coz i like the browser view.. but i wont be able to use that will i?
[22:22:44] alexvd: iamlindor: your a mythbuntu user?
[22:22:48] iamlindoro: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7077
[22:22:48] stowaway: what view do u use iamlindoro? galllery
[22:22:51] iamlindoro: alexvd, no
[22:22:52] alexvd: i thought you were too advanced
[22:22:55] iamlindoro: stowaway, GAllery, yes
[22:23:06] alexvd: iamlindoro: just helping out how nice of you
[22:23:25] stowaway: is there a way to make another entry under watch videos. that says watch tvshows or something?
[22:23:37] stowaway: so my movies can be browser and tv shows can be gallery
[22:23:44] iamlindoro: stowaway, not really
[22:24:02] stowaway: what about changing the icons of the folders?
[22:24:08] stowaway: like the sci fi folder. a cool icon
[22:24:09] iamlindoro: stowaway, that's easy
[22:24:10] stowaway: ect
[22:24:20] stowaway: cool
[22:24:20] iamlindoro: inside any folder, create a jpg called "folder.jpg"
[22:24:26] stowaway: ahh awesome. thanks
[22:24:29] iamlindoro: *exactly* that name, folder.jpg
[22:24:36] iamlindoro: and that will become that's folder's image
[22:24:41] iamlindoro: er that
[22:24:44] stowaway: sweet :) thanks
[22:24:47] iamlindoro: no problem
[22:25:10] iamlindoro: check the link I posted, that's my quite of scripts that downloads plot info for television, creates thumbnails, generates correct length info, etc.
[22:25:13] tjcarter: crap
[22:25:15] iamlindoro: er suite
[22:25:32] stowaway: yeah im going there now
[22:25:58] tjcarter: multirec is gonna be useless for me if mythfilldatabase is going to readd all of the channels to my firewire input when it runs
[22:26:01] iamlindoro: I also link another guy's IMDB bulk scanning script in that thread, but that's on him to support
[22:26:12] tjcarter: I get 8 channels by firewire because I complained.
[22:26:42] tjcarter: yup
[22:26:47] tjcarter: it's readding all of the channels
[22:26:54] ** tjcarter pokes SD people **
[22:27:16] tjcarter: dammit, I need to define multiple lineups based on the SAME cable source =p
[22:27:29] tjcarter: else mythfilldatabase does stupid things
[22:27:32] tjcarter: stupid and useless
[22:32:12] stowaway: hey iam- im a bit picky with this, but is there a way to get rid of the folder picture completely and just have the folder.jpg picture. (at the moment the folder.jpg is inside the folder)
[22:33:46] iamlindoro: stowaway, not easily. You'd need to edit the theme and remove the folder image or replace it with a small or invisible one... easiest way is probably to create a small transparent PNG and put that in as the folder file in your theme directory, then reload the theme
[22:34:57] stowaway: will look into thank you
[22:35:03] iamlindoro: you'd need to replace both mv_gallery_folder_reg.png and mv_gallery_folder_sel.png
[22:35:52] iamlindoro: But *don't* remove them or it'll just fall back to the default theme's folder icon... also keep in mind that with that solution, you will need to make sure every single folder has a folder.jpg in it or it won't show up on screen at all
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[22:50:03] opentrinity: sorry, i have a question...i have upgraded from svn now all seems work but i have a message " unable to access perl API". with verbose option i find --->QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket 2008-02–08 23:18:52.248 Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting.
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[22:50:43] Kazan: sounds like you're tyrying to use network remote control without it enabled on the front end
[22:51:09] Miranda_: Okay, I screwed up and let myth scan for channels. Now all my channels are named "Adding Channel XX".. How do I delete those tags and use the mythfilldatabase tags?
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[22:57:09] clever is now known as clever[rev]
[22:57:56] clever[rev]: mythbackend is sucking down 56% of my cpu!
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[22:58:53] Kazan: software encoding? :P
[22:58:59] clever[rev]: yes i am recording and no its not a frame grabber!
[22:59:11] tjcarter: HD?  ;)
[22:59:15] clever[rev]: the framegrabber driver stoped functioning when i installed the pvr150
[22:59:27] clever[rev]: SD
[22:59:32] tjcarter: oh, not with a pvr-150
[22:59:35] clever[rev]: 82%
[22:59:48] Kazan: scheduler?
[22:59:50] Kazan: commflag?
[22:59:54] Kazan: transcode?
[23:00:20] clever[rev]: commflag/transcode have there own process, mythcommflag, mythtranscode
[23:00:37] tjcarter: svn?  ;)
[23:00:48] clever[rev]: and it just rescheduled things in about 30 seconds
[23:00:52] clever[rev]: and its still sucking cpu
[23:00:54] clever[rev]: svn trunk
[23:01:18] clever[rev]: MythTV Revision  : 15764M
[23:01:18] clever[rev]: MythTV Branch  : trunk
[23:01:28] tjcarter: so svn is just sucking
[23:01:32] clever[rev]: recording just finished
[23:01:39] clever[rev]: and it wasnt sucking cpu badly thismorning
[23:02:34] clever[rev]: its now 'idle' and sucking cpu!
[23:02:38] tjcarter: so svn is just sucking
[23:02:48] clever[rev]: its some bug for shure:P
[23:03:07] opentrinity: Kazan: how i can fix it?.....
[23:03:10] clever[rev]: now that it isnt recording i can attach gdb without breaking as much
[23:03:32] opentrinity: with mythfrontend — version i have using_bindings_perl
[23:04:44] clever[rev]: how do i change threads in gdb?
[23:05:04] Kazan: no idea
[23:05:11] Kazan: i have never used gdb
[23:05:15] Kazan: i do most of my debugging in windows
[23:05:23] clever[rev]: eww
[23:05:25] Kazan: with the ony microsoft product i will say is not a piece of crap
[23:05:47] Kazan: i have yet to find an IDE for linux that i like :/
[23:05:56] clever[rev]: the only time microsoft will make something that doesnt suck is when they make a vacume cleaner!
[23:05:58] Kazan: and learning autotools.. oui
[23:06:09] Kazan: MSVC2005 isn't bad at all
[23:06:17] Kazan: the IDE is nice
[23:07:05] clever[rev]: cant even get a backtrace!
[23:07:07] Kazan: all the "crt secure deprecated warnings" about things like strcmp, etc are annoying
[23:07:11] clever[rev]: i can only see 1 thread
[23:07:18] Kazan: in gdb or MSVC?
[23:07:20] clever[rev]: and its stack looks like garbage
[23:07:25] clever[rev]: in gdb
[23:07:27] Kazan: ah
[23:07:45] clever[rev]: restarting has 'fixed' it
[23:07:54] clever[rev]: but it could still trigger again later
[23:08:12] Kazan: haha metroworks codewarrior has a linux version?!
[23:08:13] Kazan: haah
[23:08:17] Kazan: i used that in high school on windows
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[23:10:00] clever[rev]: lol
[23:10:20] stuarta: oh dear, metroworks stuff was crap
[23:10:33] Kazan: yup
[23:10:34] Kazan: it was
[23:10:42] Kazan: but the school got it free
[23:14:27] opentrinity: anyone can help me about my problem?
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[23:16:23] Kazan: not anyone that is on right now it seems
[23:19:06] opentrinity: :-D ops
[23:19:21] opentrinity: sorry...a little mistake
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[23:21:53] directhex: anyone remember the incantation to "clean up" a dvb stream full of dirty glitchy errors?
[23:22:33] danielk22: rm
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[23:26:02] Kazan: lol danielk22
[23:29:54] danielk22: I have a specific loathing for debugging problems caused by broken DVB recordings.. :)
[23:34:02] clever[rev]: i dont have any dvb cards:(
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[23:34:17] opentrinity: :-/
[23:41:58] opentrinity: good night
[23:42:06] opentrinity: (for me :-))
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[23:47:31] Miranda_: hmm, looks like the gentoo wiki is down
[23:47:57] Miranda_: Isn't there two places to configure iR remote settings? One for the remote itself, the other for the MythTV mappings?
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[23:51:30] fryfrog: yes
[23:51:42] fryfrog: the lirc.conf (or lircd.conf?) and lircrc (or .lircrc)
[23:52:56] tjcarter: I think my channel changer is not behaving correctly with regard to channel changing
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