Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, February 7th, 2008, 00:03 UTC

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Miranda_:

GRRR

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cout:

what does "LAMGV" mean?

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Miranda_:

even when using my tuner with mplayer, and tuning with ivtv-tune to the frequencies specified at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_c . . . _frequencies , I still get the crazy jitter

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cout:

miranda: what kind of "jitter"?

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Miranda_:

well, it's as if the tuner isn't 'locked-in' on the station

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Miranda_:

okay, just a second

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Miranda_:

the mexican station tunes perfectly

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cout:

analog or digital?

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Miranda_:

analog

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cout:

is it scrolling?

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Miranda_:

almost

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cout:

or just waving back and forth?

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Miranda_:

here, let me take a picture of the screen

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cout:

I need to figure out why I can't get a lock on the local digital stations after taking my box somewhere and then bringing it back to my house

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Miranda_:

http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn3481nr2.jpg

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cout:

bear with me; I'm on dialup

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Miranda_:

ooh, I feel sorry for you :)

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Miranda_:

http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn3482pb8.jpg

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cout:

how did you take this picture?

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Miranda_:

digital camera of the LCD screen

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Miranda_:

no flash

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Miranda_:

If I manually tune to 127.250, the picture is perfect

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cout:

you can't to a screen capture?

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Miranda_:

and that's supposed to be channel 13 cable

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Miranda_:

cout, I don't know how in X

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cout:

gimp can do it

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Miranda_:

this is knoppmyth, dunno if myth is installed

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Miranda_:

let me find out

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Miranda_:

nope

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Miranda_:

any other way?

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cout:

I think "capture"

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cout:

er, "import" I mean

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cout:

import -window root root.jpeg

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cout:

you might hav eto apt-get install imagemagick

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cout:

weird, antennaweb doesn't list fox as a digital station anymore in my area

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Miranda_:

hmm, import isn't on this cd either

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Miranda_:

installing imagemagick

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cout:

miranda: from the picture it looks like you have ghosting

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Miranda_:

like the channel isnt' tuned perfectly?

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Miranda_:

I"m gonna play with us-cable vs. us-cable-hrc vs. us-cable-irc

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Miranda_:

just a sec

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cout:

no, like the antenna is picking up two signals

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cout:

oh, this is cable?

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Miranda_:

cout, I've paid attention to that, and while it does appear that it's picking up two signals, the signals are of the same station

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Miranda_:

cout, yes, this is comcast analog cable

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cout:

did you run the cable yourself or was it professionally installed?

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cout:

are you running a signal booster?

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cout:

are all your connections terminated?

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Miranda_:

cout, I ran the cable myself, but it was all professionaly terminated

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Miranda_:

no signal booster

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Miranda_:

and the TV works perfectly

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Miranda_:

if that matters

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cout:

does the TV get a good signal off the same cable run?

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cout:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghosting_%28television%29

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Miranda_:

cout, yep, I put a two-way splitter at the wall jack, and the TV and computer feed off of the same run

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Miranda_:

the computer has the better of the two cable, rg6, vs rg59 on the TV side

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cout:

unplug the TV and plug what's plugged into the computer into the TV

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Miranda_:

cout kk

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Miranda_:

sec

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Miranda_:

hmm, it's a conspiracy. American Idol comes in fine

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cout:

hehe

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cout:

comes in fine on the computer?

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Miranda_:

cout, okay, got the cables switched

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Miranda_:

american idol was fine on the computer before I switched

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Miranda_:

nope, computer's still screwed up

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Miranda_:

22 (cartoon network) is all borked

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Miranda_:

trying to import, but it's lagging

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Miranda_:

bah, I guess I'll install windows and see if it will work then

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JohnMahowald:

Heh Windows. I'm still amused that I've never used my "WinTV" product in Windows.

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hemul:

hi people

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hemul:

i'm looking at getting some fiire.com products, but is not sure wether or not they will work in sweden. if the existing top set box will be obsolte or a part of the soltion, or what not. what do i need to know? :)

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Chutt:

anyone happen to have a sanyo plv-z2000 projector?

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jams:

gonna guess thats a no

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Chutt:

:p

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roe:

I just installed a new frontend and all of the recordings and live tv are colored noise, while the sounds is coming across fine, any ideas?

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roe:

the only thing that looks out of sorts is Iget this message "X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8"

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cout:

so dvbsnoop shows some sort of packets on pid 20, but mplayer and mythtv don't seem to pick it up

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cout:

maybe 20 isn't the one I want

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cout:

PID: 20 (0x0014) [= assigned for: DVB Time and Date Table (TDT), Time Offset Table (TOT)]

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cout:

17 seems to be the video stream

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cout:

I just don't understand why I can get as close to perfect a signal as possible (consistently ff00 or better) and not get a picture

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Aval0n:

guys sometimes when I go to recordings instead of seeing the episodes on the left I get watch list, and favorite listed over and over

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Aval0n:

if I go back out and in

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Aval0n:

it works

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kusznir:

Hi all: Sometimes, when I am watching my myth, the playback will freeze for a few seconds, and a bunch of these will show up in my logs: ivtv0: All encoder VBI stream buffers are full. Dro

[04:38:05]

kusznir:

pping data.

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kusznir:

What would cause that, and how can I fix it?

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kusznir:

(I *am* running DMA on my hard drives, but no other optimizations.

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kusznir:

Oh, that occured while watching a prerecorded program and recording two others (PVR-500)

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npurciful:

what was the error

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kusznir:

ivtv0: All encoder VBI stream buffers are full. Dropping data.

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kusznir:

ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.

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kusznir:

It will sometimes say "MPG stream" instead of VBI.

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npurciful:

ahh

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cmug:

Any ideas when 0.21 will be out?

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kusznir:

I have seen similar behavior when I had a failing hard drive, but usually I also got IDE errors in my syslog; I'm not seeing any of those.

[04:46:24]

cmug:

not that I really really care because my current system is working just fine, but maybe the "record everything from mux" -feature will prove to be useful

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npurciful:

supposed to be feb, but it will be out when it is ready

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cmug:

npurciful, gotcha

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kusznir:

It looks like something is causing the entire computer to "freeze" momentarily.

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npurciful:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/milestone/0.21

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cmug:

npurciful, ah that tells me everything

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JohnMahowald:

kusznir: How fast are your disks?

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kusznir:

Umm..Don't remember off hand...How can I check via software?

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JohnMahowald:

Make a rough guess. How many disks? Possibly it cannot write fast enough.

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kusznir:

Its an older (~4 years) PATA 250GB Western Digital disk.

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npurciful:

check smartmon tools http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

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kusznir:

I'm currently only using one disk; it shares the IDE buss with the DVD-RW, but the DVD-RW is not in use during these problems.

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kusznir:

It works properly for decent stretches of time, then has issues. P4–1.4Ghz, nvidia GeForce4 MX.

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npurciful:

analog broadcast right

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kusznir:

Yes. PVr-500, no transcoding.

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JohnMahowald:

Is it a problem with lighter loads, say 1 recording?

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kusznir:

As far as I know, two recordings can work fine; two recordings and a playback will sometimes work, sometimes work for ~15 min, then start having issues every ~2 minutes or so.

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npurciful:

what version myth

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JohnMahowald:

I wonder what the seek time on that drive is.

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kusznir:

0.20.20070821–1 (backend, library API version)

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kusznir:

I've got smartmontools installed.

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npurciful:

think harddrive the question is?

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kusznir:

brb

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JohnMahowald:

What else limits the speed of how fast data is read from the video device?

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iamlindoro_:

It's not the drive

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iamlindoro_:

You need to increase the number of buffers allotted to ivtv

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iamlindoro_:

in modprobe.conf (or equivalent for your distribution) you need to add options to the ivtv driver, something to the effect of "options ivtv enc_mpg_buffers=16 enc_vbi_buffers=8 "

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iamlindoro_:

in debian, that would be in /etc/modpobe.d/options

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iamlindoro_:

That does for all debian derived distros, of course

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kusznir:

back.

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kusznir:

iamlindoro_ Is ivtv the cause then of freezing video playback symultanously?

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iamlindoro_:

Yes.

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iamlindoro_:

Add those options as appropriate for your distribution, reboot, and it should solve the issue.

[05:13:18]

iamlindoro_:

If not you can try increasing the VBI buffers, but that should be *more* than enough

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kusznir:

adding now...Thanks

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ServerSage:

So how do I force mythfilldatabase to grab data for my newly added cable channels? It doesn't seem to be grabbing the data from schedules direct.

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iamlindoro_:

mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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kusznir:

ServerSage: make sure your schedulesdirect profile includes the new channels selected first.

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro_: Aaah, I was reading the description of that wrong I guess. :)

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ServerSage:

kusznir: Yup, did that already. Thanks.

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iamlindoro_:

if that fails you you can also try --do-not-filter-new-channels

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro_: Nope, it worked. Thanks a ton guys.

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iamlindoro_:

np

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kusznir:

One more question: Is there a way to make commercial flagging stop when system load gets above a point? I have commercial flagging set to low priority,and it runs at a nice of 17, but still causes stuttering playback (doesn't matter if a recording is taking place or not). I have noticed that the first 15 min of commercial flagging runs fine; after that it starts causing problems.

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ServerSage:

So perhaps somebody has seen this, I have an HD cable box that I'm trying to use via firewire. I can watch LiveTV just fine, but when it tries to start a scheduled recording it says "FireRec: No Input in 15 seconds [P:0 N:1]"

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iamlindoro_:

You sure those recording schedules aren't 5C'd?

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iamlindoro_:

You can play with your firewire speeds and your tuning timeout times, but in general when the recording fails, it's 5C... keep in mind that 5C is per-*program*, not per-channel

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro_: It would seem to me that livetv over firewire wouldn't work if that was the case.

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iamlindoro_:

ServerSage: Taht's what I'm asking you, is the livetv of the same exact program?

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro_: Yes.

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iamlindoro_:

ok, then play with your firewire speeds, tuning timeouts, and if necessary, try broadcast mode instead of P2P

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iamlindoro_:

Cranking your tuning timeout way up may solve it

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro_: Where in the world are the timeouts set?

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iamlindoro_:

Capture card setup

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro_: I'm not seeing a timeout setting in mythtv-setup.

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iamlindoro_:

ServerSage: Then you're not looking hard enough

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro_: It's only 1 page.

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iamlindoro_:

Mythtv-setup, Capture cards, Tuning and Signal timeout.

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro_: mythtv-setup, capture cards, and I have 4 options. New, delete all on server, delete all, and Firewire.

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iamlindoro_:

*sigh*

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iamlindoro_:

highlight your firewire card

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iamlindoro_:

hit enter

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro_: yeah....

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iamlindoro_:

Tuning and signal timeouts are right there

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro_: And....?

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro_: Liar.

[05:30:02]

iamlindoro_:

fuck you

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iamlindoro_:

good luck

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro_: Card Type, Cable Box Model, Connection Type, Port, Node, Speed, and Default Input.

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro_: That is it.

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro_: Forgot, some people are always right. Guess you're one of those. :)

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dserban:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

and some people are apparently using ancient mythtv... I just went and laid my own eyes on it... sure enough, exactly where I said they are

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cmug:

love is in the air tonight

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cmug:

although its morning so all I see is hate and bitternes

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro_: I'm running 0.20.2_p15634

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iamlindoro_:

Then you should have it, so there's something wrong with your setup or something wrong with your eyes.

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cmug:

ServerSage, which language are you using? my finnish theme tends to put some items out of screen

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ServerSage:

cmug: English.

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ServerSage:

cmug: Though if you listen to iamlindoro_ I'm using moron.

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cmug:

prolly not that then

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iamlindoro_:

Not *using*

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cmug:

ServerSage, that one hides stuff too

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iamlindoro_:

And nobody called you a moron, but I most certainly *have* given accurate information and insulting me isn't likely to make me help you any further.

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cmug:

ServerSage, maybe that is still the case, perhaps if you cycle through all option 1 by 1 and see the desc fiel?

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro_: I didn't insult you until you said, "Fuck you", being the friendly nice guy/gal you are.

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iamlindoro_:

That would be after you called me a liar

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ServerSage:

cmug: Yeah, tried that.

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, best of luck

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ServerSage:

iamlindoro_: Good to see you have a sense of humor.

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iamlindoro_:

likewise

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fryfrog:

okay, good time to both stop talking about it :/

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fryfrog:

nice! perfect timing on my part :)

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fryfrog:

i got my linux monitor to rotate the other day, i was happy!

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ServerSage:

I always wondered why Tivo was so popular. :-D

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iamlindoro_:

I won't bother burdening him with the *other* way to alter those times... Would hate to showcase my lack of humor

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ServerSage:

What version did the add the timing stuff?

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cmug:

you can prolly edit those in the database 'settings' table directly, ServerSage.

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ServerSage:

cmug: already looking. Bugs me if something really is hosed those. Rather fix it the right way.

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cmug:

ServerSage, agreed

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cmug:

fryfrog, what do you mean rotating the screen, pivoting?

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Automatically, or do you have to run a script and restart X?

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fryfrog:

cmug: well, sort of

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fryfrog:

ServerSage: i guess i said it wrong

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fryfrog:

i've rotated my monitor to verticle, and X now starts in that orientation

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fryfrog:

i don't *un* rotate it though i hear xrandr should be able to do it

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Yeah, thats what I thought you meant.

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fryfrog:

of course, it isn't one of those monitors that can do it auto-magically

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fryfrog:

not sure how they work, usb connection or... something?

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Mine was USB, yeah.

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cmug:

fryfrog, for the purpose of?

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ServerSage:

cmug: Much easier to code with a long vertical window.

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fryfrog:

my work workstation

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fryfrog:

but it isn't for code :)

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: pr0n?

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fryfrog:

I have two LCDs rotated and my laptop in the middle

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cmug:

ServerSage, ah yes linux, i was thinking about mythtv usage

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fryfrog:

with them long ways, it was to far apart and i wasn't using the extreme left/right edges

[05:42:43]

fryfrog:

oh, no

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fryfrog:

no myth :)

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fryfrog:

that'd be funny looking :)

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cmug:

exactly

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cmug:

i have 2 x 24" at my desktop

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fryfrog:

WS or FS?

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cmug:

might do the same thing

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cmug:

ws

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

16:10?

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cmug:

yea

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dserban:

So, why do .mpg videos play with the internal myth player and all others, ie avi, wmv etc play via mplayer? I can't seem to find the setting?

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dserban:

Or does it have to do with the file extensions?

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fryfrog:

so that would be like 32:10 in your layout?

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fryfrog:

or 16:20 vertically?

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fryfrog:

mm 4:5 vertical

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cmug:

fryfrog, 16:20 i think

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iamlindoro_:

dserban: utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->File Types

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iamlindoro_:

dserban: Yes, by extension

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ServerSage:

So I assume the setting is idleWaitForRecordingTime. Any verifiers out there?

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dserban:

iamlindoro_, holy crap man!

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dserban:

:)

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dserban:

thanks

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fryfrog:

16 is the lenght, so it'd be "32" long

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iamlindoro_:

dserban: On newer version of myth internal is default for all file types

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fryfrog:

and still only 10 high?

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iamlindoro_:

dserban: np

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dserban:

oh higher than 20.2?

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cmug:

i want some of iamlindoro_s crap

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fryfrog:

if they were side by side in the WS layout

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iamlindoro_:

cmug: hmm?

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cmug:

fryfrog, 16 would be the height after pivot and 10+10 the lenght

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fryfrog:

I'm hoping to get a 22" WS and a 19" FS pair for my home desktops

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fryfrog:

oh, right

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fryfrog:

yeah, if they were verticle you are right :)

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fryfrog:

16:20

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fryfrog:

er, 20:16?

[05:46:10]

fryfrog:

yeah, 20:16

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cmug:

iamlindoro_, you aret thou holy crap man

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fryfrog:

no

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fryfrog:

nm

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fryfrog:

to much math, brain asplodes :)

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cmug:

;)

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fryfrog:

22" WS and 19" FS are very very close to the same height, physically.

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fryfrog:

good match up

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cmug:

fryfrog, yep

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Why not both ws? Curious...

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fryfrog:

gaming, mostly

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Aha.

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xris:

I like my 22" ws

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xris:

the 19" went away at that point.. heh.

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fryfrog:

i mean, i could go like 24 or 26" FS and have more verticle and the same horiz...

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ServerSage:

Curious, none of my capture cards have the timing options in mythtv-setup. :(

[05:49:53]

ServerSage:

xris: Yeah, I Have 2 x 20" at my desk, went from 2 x 20" CRT monitors. Suddenly all kinds of space on my desk.

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xris:

ServerSage: had dual 19" on my desk at my last job.. single 22" at home. I like the 22" better, so got that at my new job.

[05:50:36]

cmug:

I am getting my 42" LCD today, FullHD

[05:50:38]

fryfrog:

I have 2x 19" CRTs now and am going to leave them behind when I move to CA

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ServerSage:

xris: Why not get two? Hehe. Two is always better than one.

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xris:

fryfrog: what's in CA?

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xris:

ServerSage: no room on my desk.

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Where in CA are you moving?

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xris:

I could always open up this laptop if I wanted another screen.. though only 13"

[05:51:34]

xris:

between expose and spaces, I have WAY more screen space than I know what to do with

[05:51:47]

xris:

oh yeah, and 6 vdesktops on my linux box in vnc on one space

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cmug:

you use vnc for virtual desktops

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fryfrog:

Palo Alto

[05:52:23]

cmug:

you people keep confusing me

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xris:

cmug: no. just happens to have 6 desktops configured

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fryfrog:

start a new job on Feb 25th :)

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: You'll be next to me. :)

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Whom with?

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xris:

I only actually use one when I connect with vnc.

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cmug:

xris, ah ok, I misunderstood

[05:52:41]

fryfrog:

A small start up company, you might have heard of?

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fryfrog:

"Facebook" ? :)

[05:52:51]

xris:

it's mainly there for the apps I miss from giving up linux for a mac

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Hehe. Small startup.

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xris:

fryfrog: nice

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fryfrog:

thanks :)

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fryfrog:

i'm ridiculously proud of myself, as you can tell :)

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Congrats. Where you moving from?

[05:53:17]

** xris works for a small startup... well, it was at one point **

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fryfrog:

Atlanta, GA

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cmug:

xris, why not run parallel or similar

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fryfrog:

from the right coast all the way to the left coast

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: So it won't be too much culture shock for ya. Hehe.

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xris:

cmug: because then things would turn off or stop downloading when I unplug my laptop from the internet.

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xris:

or put it to sleep.

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xris:

my mythbox is always on. good for usenet or tv encoding, etc.

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fryfrog:

turning stuff off is for bitches!

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xris:

and it's a quad core machine, so plenty of spare cpu

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cmug:

xris, good reason ;)

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xris:

fryfrog: I still have to carry the laptop between home/work

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fryfrog:

no bigge, you have to turn laptops off sometimes

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cmug:

Get a Nokia and HSDPA

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: So when are you moving out here if you start on the 25th?

[05:54:55]

fryfrog:

but *otherwise* turning stuff off is for bitches

[05:54:59]

fryfrog:

after the 25th!

[05:55:01]

fryfrog:

crazy huh?

[05:55:04]

cmug:

bt modem between home/office

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Not really, kind of used to that kind of stuff out here.

[05:55:18]

fryfrog:

I met some crazy person on craigslist, gonna stay with them for weeks/months while i find a place

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fryfrog:

then, fly back and drive a big ol' truck out

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fryfrog:

where are you at?

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xris:

fryfrog: lately, I have to reboot it because parts of my menu bar disappear occasionally... /me wants 10.5.2 soon

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: I just made that drive, twice. It's fun.

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fryfrog:

i'm getting a mac from fb

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fryfrog:

i got to choose pc or mac

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ServerSage:

I'm in Newark, other side of the bay. My wife works at Google, so I followed her out here and then started a company doing electronic medical data aggregation.

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fryfrog:

i was like "ZOMG< MAC PLZ!"

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fryfrog:

ah, cool!

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fryfrog:

my Gallery boss/friend works for google too.

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fryfrog:

i loved their campus!

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: I love their food.

[05:56:47]

fryfrog:

wife was like "okay, get a job at google" and i was like "sorry, i am not good enough :("

[05:56:54]

fryfrog:

mmm, yes, the food was super

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Did you try to get a job there?

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: It can't be too hard, they offered me a job.

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fryfrog:

not out *there*

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fryfrog:

but at their datacenter in atlanta

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fryfrog:

i'm a sys admin nerd, not a coding nerd

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: same here.

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

i *really* boned my interview though

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Coding is for dorks. But I love dorks dearly, since I married one.

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Did you spill coffee on one of your 45 interviewers or something?

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fryfrog:

no, they asked me what made me unique from all the other people that might be applying

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Did you tell them you have a tail? Hehe.

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fryfrog:

i was like "you guys are google... you probably have so many people applying for these jobs that blah blah blah

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fryfrog:

i mean, i'm sure that wasn't the *only* bad thing, but... i was kicking myself half way through saying it :p

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fryfrog:

I was like "STUPID YOU WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SYAING SHUT UP STOP TALKING CRAP WE AREN"T WORKING AT GOOGLE!!!"

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xris:

fryfrog: I didn't even get an interview with google.. recruiter put me in for a high-level sysadmin job instead of programming.

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fryfrog:

nice :/

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fryfrog:

this was for a *NOC* position, while I was doing sys admin

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ServerSage:

xris: Their HR is a bunch of mental monkeys.

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xris:

ServerSage: "their"? I think most HR is.

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fryfrog:

I dunno about their HR, but their *process* is unique

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xris:

I have yet to meet a truly competent HR person

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ServerSage:

xris: I kept telling them "My wife works in the Mountain View office" and when they finally got around to offering me a job, it was in Oregon.

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fryfrog:

My friend that works there says they hire a bunch of people, *then* decide where they'll work"

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fryfrog:

well, "hire people" not a bunch

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fryfrog:

but they *do* hire a bunch of people :)

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xris:

yeah, the process is good. but it does let good people fall through the cracks... even when an entire dept wants to hire someone (a friend of mine), they couldn't get the process to get him hired.

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xris:

ServerSage: lame

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xris:

I like smaller companies, anyway

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ServerSage:

xris: Growing pains I suppose.

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ServerSage:

xris: Yeah, same here.

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ServerSage:

xris: I like working in an environment where what I do matters, and if I make a mistake it's bad.

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fryfrog:

that is sort of why i'm happy about FB

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xris:

went from a small company that turned big, to a slightly bigger company.

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fryfrog:

they only have like 500 ppl now and they haven't IPO'd yet

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Yeah, that is pretty damn cool.

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ServerSage:

fryfrog: Two words for you: Stock options.

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fryfrog:

they are giving me monoploly money ipo / options things

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xris:

heh. I decided to give up a "coder turned manager" job for a "coder" job

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fryfrog:

manager

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fryfrog:

i hope i never do it

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ServerSage:

Those who can do, those who can't manage.

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xris:

I enjoyed it... but has to be the right corporate environment.

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fryfrog:

but some day, i'll be like "hey kiddo, remember when we had 2U servers???"

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fryfrog:

and they'll be like "god gramps, we've been using .0002U servers for 20 years, where have you been?!?"

[06:05:17]

xris:

nah, Us will stay around for awhile. just get more and more powerful.

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xris:

like the new thing about using 10krpm 2.5" SAS drives instead of those old 3.5" ones.. heh

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ServerSage:

I think I need some time away from the LCD's. L8r guys. Look me up when you get out here fryfrog, I'm usually on here. I'll buy ya a beer or something.

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fryfrog:

anyway, time to go home.

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** xris wishes that google/paypal offered better reports.... **

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cmug:

I just installed a 10U server yesterday

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cmug:

I'm more looking at the kids saying whoa to when we explain how many 42U racks we had for storage

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roz:

my mplayer is all scrambled now, it doesnt move (just a solid scramble), but I can hear the sound playing — mythtv exhibits the same issue

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clever:

roz: try mplayer -vo x11

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clever:

that will bypass xvideo

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roz:

that works

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kdub:

next step is to curse the nvidia drivers

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roz:

of course

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kdub:

that happens to everyone

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kdub:

usually if you restart x it will work correctly again

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Dagmar:

Except the people that don't use mplayer

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kdub:

at least for a while

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kdub:

Dagmar, ive had it in the internal myth player too

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Dagmar:

...and it's yet to happen to me.

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roz:

i can try restarting X server.

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roz:

that worked--- is this just a "bug" or is there something I did to make it happen?

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Dagmar:

Probably just a bug that doesn't manifest terribly often.

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roz:

nvidia is great for those

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kdub:

it is a bug

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Dagmar:

Far better than drivers that remain broken continuously over time like ATI

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kdub:

there are several reports of it on the mailing list

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roz:

Dagmar: I agree--- i was forced to switch

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Dagmar:

So, either upgrade to the latest 169 driver or downgrade to the latest 100 driver

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Dagmar:

Generally that'll get around such issues

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Dagmar:

But seriously, I've yet to have that manifest here with the fx5200 I'm using

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roz:

i have 100.14.19

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Dagmar:

Well, if your card isn't terribly ancient, try the 169 driver

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roz:

we'll see if this bug manifests itself again

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cmug:

http://www.myhdbox.com/mythtips/2006/05/tip-4 . . . for-hdtv.php is pretty much what I was looking for yesterday

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DustyBin:

i woke up this morning to find my /var/log partition full

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DustyBin:

and found this error repeated lots n lots of times:

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DustyBin:

Feb 7 07:40:21 server lircd-0.8.0[3213]: error reading '/dev/input/event4'

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DustyBin:

Feb 7 07:40:21 server lircd-0.8.0[3213]: devinput_rec

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Dagmar:

Looks like an lirc problemn

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DustyBin:

i remember having the same problem quite a while ago but all of a sudden its come back

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DustyBin:

maybe the batteries in my remote get weaker then it causes confusion

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justinh:

automagically installified updatery things?

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DustyBin:

yep i do

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justinh:

DustyBin: doubt it

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justinh:

more likely the automagically installifying of new thingies

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DustyBin:

apt-get update && apt-get upgrade

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justinh:

I think the people who never update anything don't have problems which suddenly 'just happen'

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DustyBin:

i had the same problem a while ago, i re-installed my box from scratch and everyone has been ok, for a good few months

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justinh:

the other say "all of a sudden I have the problem".. when really it's not out of the blue at all

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Dagmar:

These are the problems that occur when you do admin-like things without actually taking on the responsibility of looking into whether or not the command you're typing is going to break everything.

[10:33:21]

Dagmar:

I'd say "roll back the changes" but you've no idea what you changed.

[10:33:21]

DustyBin:

"When an unknown key code is received (from another remote, like the receiver's or the TV's), it is not eaten and the module keeps yelling about it. This patch stops the yelling."

[10:33:39]

DustyBin:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-T-500

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justinh:

what?!

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justinh:

ffs that's lame

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DustyBin:

i wonder if thats the problem

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DustyBin:

theres only one way to find out

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DustyBin:

the sky remote shows up like this is my syslog

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DustyBin:

Feb 7 10:38:18 server kernel: dib0700: Unknown remote controller key : 1F 3F

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justinh:

different :)

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justinh:

gawd bless lirc_serial

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DustyBin:

Feb 7 10:39:08 server kernel: dib0700: Unknown remote controller key : 5 49

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DustyBin:

justinh: i used to use lirc_serial, i still have the home brew serial cable but now my serial port is being used for X11

[10:39:59]

justinh:

I think I'll give up trying to tell people automagical updates are bad

[10:40:08]

justinh:

and pointless

[10:40:39]

justinh:

help! I didn't do anything & now all of a sudden nothing works!

[10:41:02]

DustyBin:

batteries? cables not being in properly?

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DustyBin:

ESD

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justinh:

batteries? no way

[10:41:25]

DustyBin:

linux viruses

[10:41:26]

justinh:

cables not being in properly? no way

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justinh:

roflmao

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DustyBin:

:P

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justinh:

99.9% of the time it's auto updates

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DustyBin:

the bastard package maintainers at debian ?

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justinh:

or the user filtering out what he thinks is relevant

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DustyBin:

justinh: i didnt see lirc being updated

[10:42:39]

justinh:

doesn't say anything

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justinh:

lirc might depend on things that changed

[10:42:55]

DustyBin:

i think installing the latest NOVA-T drivers might help

[10:43:08]

justinh:

imagine if the kernel changed.. that'd pretty much break lirc

[10:43:09]

DustyBin:

aye

[10:43:39]

DustyBin:

http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /019493.html

[10:43:44]

justinh:

you can never be absolutely sure of anything when you're not the one who made all the packages & specced the dependencies

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justinh:

best policy is _always_ if it ain't broke, don't fecking update

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DustyBin:

justinh: then get hacked instead with your old exploitable packages :P

[10:44:44]

siXy:

even if you *are* the one that made the package, you still can't always be sure :)

[10:44:57]

directhex|bsp:

i audit all my code, don't you? :o

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justinh:

only reason you're likely to need regular updates is if it's internet facing – and in that case wtf are you putting myth on there for?

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DustyBin:

justinh: mythweb?

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** justinh invites DustyBin to hack his dapper box **

[10:45:34]

** DustyBin download dapper.'sploit.v232 **

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** DustyBin injects justinh **

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justinh:

paranoia

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justinh:

I left a mythbox unprotected on the net for 3 weeks. all that happened was some joker renamed some mythvideo files from mythweb

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siXy:

directhex|bsp: just because i don't find anything wrong, doesn't mean there *isn't* anything wrong. sadly. admittedly i suck at anything harder than bash/awk, but even there i tend to find unepxected bugs

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** DustyBin performs a regex search on all 'eastender' mentions in justinh myth database and removes **

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DustyBin:

logout

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justinh:

DustyBin: you're welcome to try it

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justinh:

you won't change my mind. auto updates are just inviting trouble, paranoia or not

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DustyBin:

ok

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justinh:

you don't get admins who run important servers rolling out updates just because they're there

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DustyBin:

the thing is, debian etch doesnt update that much, the only updates are usually security fixes

[10:47:46]

DustyBin:

or bugs

[10:48:06]

DustyBin:

however, if one was using fedora, thats a different ball game

[10:48:11]

justinh:

the thing is, people who don't update except when really necessary (i.e. to fix thing) don't see much unexpected behaviour

[10:48:48]

justinh:

if I had a quid for everytime I'd seen somebody who asked for help after updating 'stuff' ...

[10:49:42]

DustyBin:

id say debian is nearly one of the most stable distros out there

[10:50:13]

DustyBin:

perfect for mythtv because it has a lot of multimedia stuff, unlike centos

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justinh:

anyway all I'm saying is, don't ever be taken by surprise that an update broke something

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DustyBin:

its very very rare to come across problems with packages on debian

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DustyBin:

yep ok

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DustyBin:

"Note: the current drivers are close to stable at the moment (2008-01–25)"

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DustyBin:

not long ago

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DustyBin:

"You may want to disable the remote control sensor if you are using another one and want to avoid error messages in the logs:"

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DustyBin:

oh dear..

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DustyBin:

the NOVA-T 500 isnt perfect, but its pretty close

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justinh:

maybe time to buy an MCE remote. they're way nicer than anything you get with tv cards

[10:54:13]

SerajewelKS:

DustyBin: i have problems with debian packages all the time

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DustyBin:

SerajewelKS: jeeze you must be configuring some wild stuff

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justinh:

I use ffmpeg from the debian multimedia repos

[10:54:50]

SerajewelKS:

DustyBin: not at all

[10:55:43]

SerajewelKS:

DustyBin: did you mean problems with tv tuner related stuff or problems with anything?

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otwin:

is the mce remote really much better than the hauppauge? from the pictures there doesn't seem to be much difference

[10:56:51]

DustyBin:

SerajewelKS: the only problem i have is with lirc spitting out error messages in my logs, apart from that no problems at all

[10:57:31]

SerajewelKS:

DustyBin: i mean what do you use this box for?

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mzb_d800:

do yourselves a favour (if you're "remote" sensitive;) ... build a homebrew serial receiver and get *any* remote you like the look+feel of

[10:58:48]

DustyBin:

SerajewelKS: MythTV, Postfix Mail server, Squirrelmail, ZoneMinder, HeyU X11, NFS, SAMBA

[10:59:07]

SerajewelKS:

DustyBin: ah, mine is mythtv, samba, apache, and desktop :)

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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SerajewelKS:

DustyBin: so a lot more surface area for bugs to hit

[10:59:35]

DustyBin:

i wouldnt install the backend on my desktop personally

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DustyBin:

desktop and server should be seperate

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DustyBin:

im not sure if i should go for a plasma now, i <3 my blacks, and plasmas produce better blacks than LCDs

[11:02:28]

DustyBin:

nothing worse than a bleeding edged, purple, wishy washy black

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** DustyBin pukes **

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justinh:

don't buy into the hype

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justinh:

wait

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DustyBin:

ok

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justinh:

no point burning a hole in your pocket if all you can watch is one free to air HD channel & SD

[11:03:51]

DustyBin:

yeah i know, but really would like something bigger than me 15" CRT TV

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justinh:

15"?! oops

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DustyBin:

think ill just save and research

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DustyBin:

until the time comes where i see something i like

[11:04:34]

justinh:

when my tv dies, I've decided I'll get it fixed

[11:04:39]

Dagmar:

So lol

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DustyBin:

aye

[11:04:40]

Dagmar:

You're using a CRT and dont like the look of an LCD?

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Dagmar:

hah

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DustyBin:

my 15" CRT produces a nice picture

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DustyBin:

black blacks

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siXy:

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DustyBin:

another thing ive noticed, there WAS a improvement to my picture when i put new gfx card in box

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justinh:

only fault with my 32" wide crt is the psu regulation

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Dagmar:

Yes, and unless you're talking about a computer monitor, a standard TV tends to have a picture that drifts tint and brightness all over

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DustyBin:

siXy: panasonic are meant to use high quality screens

[11:06:27]

justinh:

but then, not that much tv content has large flashing areas

[11:06:37]

justinh:

and if you're calling £700 'budget'.. ffs

[11:06:50]

justinh:

£700 in crt terms used to be near top of the range

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justinh:

Dagmar: yeah but we don't have NTSC over here

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siXy:

DustyBin: suffers from mild 'purple snake' effects on greyscale. otherwise pretty good

[11:07:30]

DustyBin:

plasmas use more electric when they are showing bright images

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DustyBin:

ok

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Dagmar:

...and lets not forget how they have a relatively fixed lifespan

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siXy:

you have to be watching an extremely boring film to notice, however

[11:08:13]

justinh:

siXy: starship troopers!

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siXy:

lol xD

[11:08:28]

justinh:

the uphill gardener.. anything foreign with subtitles..

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justinh:

s/uphill/constant

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Dagmar:

It's one thing to make jokes about something that's going to break a month after the warranty is up

[11:08:51]

justinh:

pan's labyrinth..

[11:08:51]

Dagmar:

It's entirely another to _know_ it's going to happen.

[11:09:22]

justinh:

Dagmar: never mind that. all consumer electronics has lifespan you can set your watch by

[11:09:24]

siXy:

i prefer uphill actually :)

[11:09:38]

Dagmar:

justinh: Odd that most of my stuff still works

[11:09:42]

Dagmar:

I take care of it

[11:10:14]

justinh:

you can't 'take care' of a TV, other than the usual "remember not to use it for target practice"

[11:10:27]

justinh:

and "remember not to tip water down the back"

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Dagmar:

Keep it clean, don't blow pot smoke directly into it, use a UPS, etc etc

[11:10:50]

justinh:

or "remember to hug every night before you go to bed"

[11:10:57]

quicksilver:

"remember not to hurl out of 24 storey window at passing chavs"

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justinh:

oh yeah I keep forgetting you live in the land of unreliable mains

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quicksilver:

we had 5 power outs in Chelmsford at the weekend

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Dagmar:

it's not a matter of power being unreliable, it's a matter of it being noisy

[11:11:42]

quicksilver:

just instaneous off and on again

[11:11:49]

quicksilver:

but that was bad for my electronic equipment

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Dagmar:

Bouncing the power is pretty bad tho

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justinh:

Dagmar: well, we have strict limits here

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Dagmar:

justsinh I have two CRT TVs that have gone way past the lifespan of a plasma

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justinh:

Dagmar: the exception rather than the rule these days

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Dagmar:

I fully expect the LCD TV I got will probably last a couple presidential terms

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siXy:

interesting time measurement

[11:13:03]

justinh:

I'd want at least 8 years out of an investment of £900

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siXy:

although i would be amazed if anything i own lasts until the next UK election, at the rate we are gong

[11:13:22]

Dagmar:

sixy: Yeah ain't it.

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Dagmar:

Be about 25 years I think

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Dagmar:

justinh: Good thing I only spent $500 USD then

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DustyBin:

if a tv has a native resolution of: Resolution: 1680 x 1050 and your mythtv box output is set to that resolution, there would be no need for 1:1 pixel mapping, because the mythtv box can match that resolution?

[11:14:25]

Dagmar:

what?

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Dagmar:

*pinches his eyes*

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DustyBin:

im confused too :P

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justinh:

DustyBin: pretty much but depends on if all of that 'native' res is visible :P

[11:14:56]

DustyBin:

i was just looking at this tv

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DustyBin:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/133810

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directhex|bsp:

1680x1050 isn't a tv, it's a 16:10 monitor

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Dagmar:

If your display's native res is 1680 x 1050, and that's what you've set your video card to, you're _doing_ 1:1 pixel mamatching.

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justinh:

16:10 ? eeew

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directhex|bsp:

you can get some nice monitors with built-in tv functioanlity. my mother has a samsung 20" of some kind for that purpose

[11:15:37]

Dagmar:

justinh: Nah it's an excellent aspect ratio for monitors

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DustyBin:

Dagmar: yes thats what i was trying to say

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justinh:

Dagmar: for _monitor_ yeah

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directhex|bsp:

oh look, a 20" samsung!

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justinh:

not for TVs

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Dagmar:

justinh: Two A4 sheets of paper, with just a tiny bit of black bar action for 16:9 movies

[11:16:09]

justinh:

not tiny at all

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directhex|bsp:

it's a very nice screen, really

[11:16:14]

justinh:

very noticable

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justinh:

I know. I have an LG 16:10 monitor

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directhex|bsp:

but it's a monitor that can act as a tv, not a tv – if myth is your goal, why would you want the built-in tv function when you can save money with "just" a monitor?

[11:16:40]

Dagmar:

226WTQ?

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siXy:

most movies are 2.35:1 or whatever that crazy anamorphic aspect ratio is. so 16:10 is going to have one big momma of a black bar

[11:17:29]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but what passes for widescreen on most DVDs is 16:9

[11:17:32]

DustyBin:

Dagmar: the only time you need 1:1 pixel mapping is when your computer cannot match the native resolution of the tv, ie. 1366 x 768, the closest a computer can get is 1360 x 768, so you could either send that signal into the TV and let it be scaled to 1366 x 768 size, or use 1:1 pixel mapping, what would leave a 3 pixel wide border on each side of the screen

[11:17:57]

Dagmar:

DustyBin: If you're bothered by 6 pixel columns being dark, perhaps you need a hobby

[11:18:10]

justinh:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=587955 is what I've got

[11:18:12]

DustyBin:

Dagmar: nope not bothered, just trying to work it out

[11:18:25]

Dagmar:

If your computer can't match the native resolution of the display, then you are _done_

[11:18:31]

DustyBin:

aye :D

[11:18:48]

Dagmar:

No "1:1 pixel mapping" is going to make your video card do something it can't.

[11:18:51]

DustyBin:

Dagmar: computers cannot match 1366 x 768, does that mean they are done?

[11:19:09]

Dagmar:

Yes

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DustyBin:

:D

[11:19:14]

siXy:

how the fuck can a monitor be optimally designed for windows vista?

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Dagmar:

If your video card can't emit 1366x768, then it _can't emit 1366 x 768

[11:19:28]

Dagmar:

Period.

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DustyBin:

yep

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justinh:

siXy: more memory & stuff. it's amazing. my other monitor wasn't Vista compatible & it sucked

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directhex|bsp:

siXy, hdcp

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DustyBin:

i really hate the 1366 x 768 res

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directhex|bsp:

siXy, and valid edid

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Dagmar:

So what the fuck magical fairy dust is this "1:1 pixel mapping" you'te talking about supposed to do?

[11:19:59]

Dagmar:

THe impossible?

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DustyBin:

inface im going to make sure my tv doesnt use that stupid res

[11:20:05]

DustyBin:

infact

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DustyBin:

Dagmar: im not sure how it works

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directhex|bsp:

DustyBin, then you buy a monitor or a 37"+

[11:20:19]

Dagmar:

Your video card is rather likely to do 1360x768

[11:20:21]

siXy:

ah, didn't know they had HDCP on monitors, fair enough.

[11:20:29]

Dagmar:

DustyBin: You are very mistaken about what pixel mapping is

[11:20:35]

DustyBin:

i am!

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justinh:

I thought it meant the ability to send input at the set's native res & miss out the gnarly scaling

[11:21:07]

DustyBin:

Rule no.1 ONLY buy a TV what has a native resolution your GFX card can 100% match.

[11:21:38]

Dagmar:

That eliminates a great many of both TFT/LCD/Plasmas and video cards

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DustyBin:

1366 x 768, NOT ftw

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directhex|bsp:

you can't, unless you buy 37"+ or a monitor

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justinh:

there's 0 point in 1080p under 37"

[11:22:16]

justinh:

so they don't sell em

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Dagmar:

bleh I'm going to go get lunch. Someone else fight the superstitious nonsense

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directhex|bsp:

you can't do 1366x768 precisely, full stop. you can do 1360x768, and any decent screen should accept that as a res & keep some 3-pixel pillarboxes. what you want to avoid is a screen with 1366x768 native, which only accepts "720p"

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: why is that?

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, off-the-shelf chips don't do non-power-of-8 inputs. and most graphics drivers won't output non-power-of-8

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justinh:

seems I was wrong about 1080p and 32". they're doing em now

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DustyBin:

can a computer do: 1680x1050 ?

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** DustyBin digs out calc **

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justinh:

DustyBin: yeah

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directhex|bsp:

DustyBin, i'll ask my monitor. monitor, can you do 1680x1050?

[11:24:39]

Dagmar:

I get a rather exactingly crisp output on my LCD TV at 1360x768

[11:24:43]

justinh:

that's what res my desktop runs at

[11:24:45]

Dagmar:

...and my monitor does 1680x1050, so yes.

[11:24:46]

directhex|bsp:

jms@osc-franzibald:~$ xrandr | grep "*"

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directhex|bsp:

1680x1050 50.0* 51.0

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Dagmar:

LG 226WTQ in fact.

[11:25:02]

DustyBin:

1050 is NOT divisible by 8

[11:25:16]

Dagmar:

Jesus someone teach him the difference between vertical and horizontal

[11:25:25]

DustyBin:

whoops :D

[11:25:42]

justinh:

768 – 720 == what you lose in overscan then?

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, nothing, unless you force overscal in your apps. if anything, you tend to get underscan in some situations

[11:26:15]

justinh:

meh

[11:26:22]

DustyBin:

there are a lot of smaller widescreens with resolutions a mythtv box could match, like this

[11:26:25]

DustyBin:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/125735

[11:26:46]

** justinh wouldn't buy a monitor or TV from ebuyer **

[11:26:52]

DustyBin:

why not

[11:27:01]

justinh:

wouldn't buy a T Vwithout seeing it in person

[11:27:07]

directhex|bsp:

yes, there are. but myth only speaks 4:3 or 16:9 properly, and pretends nobody uses it on 5:4 or 16:10

[11:27:26]

directhex|bsp:

because nobody in the world uses 17", 19", or widescreen monitors to run mythfrontend!

[11:27:26]

DGnome:

I think myth works well with 16:10 monitors

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directhex|bsp:

DGnome, stretchy stretchy!

[11:27:47]

DustyBin:

1680x1050 is the way forward :D

[11:28:14]

justinh:

:-\

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DGnome:

directhex|bsp: Last time I checked, Myth did not stretch 16:9 content to 16:10

[11:29:01]

DGnome:

directhex|bsp: 4:3 was displayed very crrectly also

[11:29:07]

justinh:

DGnome: * by default ;)

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DGnome:

Myth even works well with my LCD-TV that will not let me use 1360x768 but 1280x768

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** directhex|bsp ponders installing xbmc on his xbox **

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DustyBin:

justin, a cheap 22" 1680x1050 would be more than ok for UK freeview and DVDs for now until i buy something bigger

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DGnome:

DustyBin: correct

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DGnome:

DustyBin: if you buy binoculars to go with the display

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directhex|bsp:

the problem with "cheap" is tn+film

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DustyBin:

its for my bedroom

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directhex|bsp:

which isn't exactly ideal for a tv

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DustyBin:

jeeze its like going around in circles lol

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SerajewelKS:

myth needs a "watch only the commercials" option for my superbowl recording :)

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: edit the recording, load the cutlist with Z then invert the cutlist with I

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justinh:

tada!

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SerajewelKS:

ah nifty, didn't know I existed

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DGnome:

superbowlcommercial seem to be high quality

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SerajewelKS:

right now i'm editing it cause it missed some

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SerajewelKS:

is there a way to play the video in edit mode?

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justinh:

I sometimes wish I could see US commercials to see how bad they are

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DGnome:

They had the Iron Man tv-spot which made me want to see the movie even more

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: just go into EDIT, press Z, then press I, then go back to playing it

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: no i mean i'm editing the cuts

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: and i want to see how they look without quitting and having to find my spot again

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, us tv is weird

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: you can't do jog/shuttle editing. sheesh

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justinh:

it's enough that there's even such a cool editor

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justinh:

I doubt that loading a commercial cutlist straight in would ever give you frame accurate edits anyway

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justinh:

not that it ever is frame accurate

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SerajewelKS:

nod

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SerajewelKS:

it's missed quite a few breaks

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justinh:

don't think we'll ever have *perfect* flagging – at least until somebody starts saying "hey! ads are here!" in the streams they broadcast

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SerajewelKS:

ya i know

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SerajewelKS:

oops, it flagged part as an ad too

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SerajewelKS:

not complaining at all. it usually does very good.

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SerajewelKS:

the superbowl is kinda quirky how ad breaks are

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, like the change in res on freeview? kinda a giveaway

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SerajewelKS:

directhex|bsp: not always true

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Dagmar:

directhex: If it's doing that you might wanna email the guys that code on the commflagger abou tit

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SerajewelKS:

directhex|bsp: some parts of americal idol have been aired in SD

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Dagmar:

The amount of detail in an image is something that's quantifiable

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directhex|bsp:

SerajewelKS, and they should be flagged and removed!

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SerajewelKS:

directhex|bsp: on one episode i watched the first and last segments here HD, all the middle were SD

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SerajewelKS:

directhex|bsp: :)

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Dagmar:

Silly math tricks to do that is what's shown the last few Al Queda videos to be phony

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directhex|bsp:

SerajewelKS, pretty much without exception on new shows, the shows are 16:9 and ad breaks are 4:3, on uk tv

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DGnome:

we have ads in both 4:3 and 16:9

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DGnome:

makes the commflagger eff up from time to time

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SerajewelKS:

and DGnome has a point, sometimes ads are HD here too

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SerajewelKS:

haha nice, it flagged the start of an ad inside an ad

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DGnome:

SerajewelKS: a nice mixture of hd, 4:3 sd and 16:9 sd? :)

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Dagmar:

lol

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SerajewelKS:

DGnome: indeed

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SerajewelKS:

DGnome: with no nice way to say "this is an ad cause it's SD" since some programs are a mix, and "this is not an ad cause it's HD" since some ads are HD

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SerajewelKS:

so unfortunately it's not a reliable detection method at all

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DGnome:

SerajewelKS: 1080i?

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DGnome:

SerajewelKS: the HD-content

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: they don't often change res or aspect. not on most commercial channels

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SerajewelKS:

DGnome: no clue

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justinh:

all uk ads are shot in 16:9 now. shown letterboxed on 4:3 channels

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justinh:

anyway mythtv's commflagger relies on things not often present in UK ad breaks

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justinh:

fades to black & logo removal

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justinh:

would be nice if I found something hidden in the VBI, even if it's different on every channel

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_Ergo_:

hello

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DustyBin:

one last question, im now thinking about buying a smaller screen just for mythtv – lowres freeview UK and normal DVDs. This screen is a nice size for my bedroom 24", but its not a 'TV' is a computer monitor, would that make any difference? http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130991

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DustyBin:

*its

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Dagmar:

Gamma will be a bit weird. That's about it

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SerajewelKS:

the whole before/after system is really slick

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Dagmar:

Probably the #1 reason some people think they're TV tuner card is doing something weird is the difference in gamma ranges between a TV and their monitor

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DustyBin:

i see

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Dagmar:

...followed by realizing that an NTSC/PAL signal doesn't really have 1600x1200 worth of detail in it. "OMG BLURRY!"

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DGnome:

DustyBin: if tou want "perfect" make sure your display does native resolution at 50Hz

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DustyBin:

DGnome: ok ill look into it

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DustyBin:

researching a suitable TV is the hardest thing ive ever done, this is heavy stuff

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justinh:

just find one that looks nice :P

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Dagmar:

Notably a computer monitor will usually do a much better job of "truly black" than even really good TVs will

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quicksilver:

it really all depends how much you care

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DGnome:

DustyBin: 50Hz will be good for TV and PAL DVD:s, downloaded movies are often encoded in NTSC-framerates which you can tweak xorg to through xrandr commands

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justinh:

Dagmar: neglecting backlight spill of course

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quicksilver:

without seeing them side by side many users wouldn't notice lots of these things

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_Ergo_:

im thinking about building a HTPC and use it with mythTV, and since im from europe one of most popular DVB cards is SkyStar HD – will my pc handle HDTV content ( i want to assemble athlon EE 3800 and 1GB of ram ) ? also i want to watch paid satellite programms – i have Cyfra+ and Polsat – is there a way i can use some card readers to decode the signal ? i read something about SASC-NG and camkeys but i dont really know much about that an

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quicksilver:

but on the other hand, some doo

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DGnome:

DustyBin: it's quite handy to a button on the remote for 50Hz and another for 60Hz

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justinh:

_Ergo_: european HDTV is h.264 AVC encoded. and you can't use softcams with mythtv

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Dagmar:

justinh: Well, in particular I'm talking about CRTs, since the backlight leakage just about gets things back to CRT-levels of "not quite black"

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Dagmar:

s/CRT-levels/CRTTV-levels/;

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justinh:

Dagmar: but a CRT's 'not quite black' is completely even

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directhex|bsp:

polsat you can use with a vendor-provided hardcam

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DustyBin:

DGnome: thanks

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, ^

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Dagmar:

I just want my cable provider to stop being wankers and start doing CableCard

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: go for 2.4GHz or faster dualcores for euro hd

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Dagmar:

...until that day comes, every time they try to talk me into "upgrading" to the "Triple play" they will be met with R-rated language

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justinh:

DGnome: and don't forget to add the bit about mythtv not yet being able to use more than one core ;)

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, if your tv card has a CI slot (e.g. technotrend) then you can use a valid, vendor-provided hardware CAM to access encrypted content

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DGnome:

justinh: yuo, hust thinking "future proof" :)

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_Ergo_:

justinh : – so i wont be able to watch HDTV ? too low pc specs for h.264 ? dual core athlon 3800 ? i read that SASC-NG creates a "virtual adapter" that decodes the stream and it can be used as source for mythTV – but since i never used mythTV im not sure how that works

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justinh:

_Ergo_: either way you can't talk about that in here!

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: take the softcam talk elsewhere

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Dagmar:

You should be able to play back 1080 content with that much CPU

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justinh:

Dagmar: not h.264 AVC

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_Ergo_:

directhex|bsp : i thing that the technotrend ( i think that is skystar) has a CI module that can be bought and connected

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Dagmar:

I'll have to pester my boss about it then

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justinh:

Dagmar: and not on a single core

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Dagmar:

He's definitely doing 1080 playback on a 2.4Ghz Core2Duo

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, broadcast hd?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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justinh:

Dagmar: not AVC encoded h.264

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Dagmar:

Well, digital cable

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justinh:

or.. not in linux :P

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Dagmar:

I've no idea what the hell they're using here for that, since it doesn't allow cablecard

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, that would be mpeg2, if it's cable

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, you can decode hd mpeg2 on a toaster

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, partly because it looks like ass

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justinh:

my s100 could play 720p if the bitrate was realistic

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justinh:

733Mhz celery :)

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_Ergo_:

uhhh we dont have many digital cables here in my city, satellite providers are more common :( but i can receive normal SD programs and decode them if i connect a CI module + my providers card ?

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, yes

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, HD too, with enough grunt. as long as you have a legit CAM module and viewing card, you should be fine

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directhex|bsp:

yes i know "CAM module" is like saying "RAM memory"

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_Ergo_:

i have a legit card and a normal satellite tuner – but im not surte how that work when building a pc

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justinh:

this could be the right time to start thinking about FF cards as a _good_ thing if they decode h.264 in hardware :P

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, http://www.rdi-cam.com/pic.php?i=106

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, looks like a PCMCIA card. plugs into tv card, viewing card plugs into it

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DGnome:

justinh: FF cards are no fun though

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: for future reference you can play and edit, sort of — when you quit the editor it will play where you are and when you go to the editor it will position you there

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justinh:

DGnome: needing a billion Mhz CPU to watch TV is no fun

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Dagmar:

viewing card plugs into the what where?

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Dagmar:

Oh wait you're talking about the little smart card that holds the subscriber info

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DGnome:

justinh: such is life and I gladly choose the CPU

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justinh:

wonder if FF cards will ever appear for HD

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_Ergo_:

i wanted to have the ability to watch and record HD programms , and thought that dual core athlon would be sufficient, a pc like that would be about the same price of fergusson 8800 HD tuner + hdd recorder with dvd , but i wanted more flexibility :-)

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DGnome:

justinh: a nice case of plague or cholera

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, h264 is hellishly processor intensive

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SerajewelKS:

now where's the option to transcode without deleting the original file?

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SerajewelKS:

i looked through mythtv-setup and couldn't find it

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justinh:

_Ergo_: recording HDTV from a DVB tuner hardly takes any CPU at all. it's playing it that needs the power

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_Ergo_:

well i can watch HD encoded content on my core2duo 6400 ;-)

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, BROADCAST content?

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: according to my experience: E6550, E6600 and X2 4800 can do BBC-HD, SvtHD and Sky HD when played with "mplayer -lavdopts threads=2"

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_Ergo_:

Dagmar : , the "small" subscriber cards are the side of credit card

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, in linux?

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Dagmar:

Ergo: I'm quite aware.

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Dagmar:

There's a remarkable similarity to the old Hu cards

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, try playing http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/force.php?file=./bbc.hd.ts – check the audio and video for smoothness & synchronisation

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_Ergo_:

directhex : , no in windows with VLC ( its for linux too ) and its not broadcast , jsut starndard HD demos etc

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_Ergo_:

hmm.. so what processor should i get to get a fluent playback ? ;-)

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justinh:

_Ergo_: that x264.nl site has _actual_ broadcast samples.

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_Ergo_:

wouldnt want to shell out 700$ just to see some choppy screenshots :/

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: read a couple of lines upward

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_Ergo_:

oh i missed that sorry

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: but mythtv will not play broadcast direct, you have to use mythvideo + mplayer

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justinh:

I should enable WOL on my frontend so I can build cvs mplayer :)

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directhex|bsp:

is getting threaded playback working on the 0.21 hitlist?

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justinh:

nope

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DGnome:

fudge

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directhex|bsp:

shame

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DGnome:

I want threading

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DGnome:

:/

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_Ergo_:

DGnome : its just magic to me right now as i never tested mythTV but i guess it would be better VS windows MCE ;]

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: wintendo mce sucks donkeys through garden hoses

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_Ergo_:

rotfl

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_Ergo_:

hmm the AMD AthlonX2 4800+ , is rather cheap, if its sufficient i could use that

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justinh:

DGnome: what does the -lavdopts bit do then?

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DGnome:

justinh: tells mplayer to use libavcodec with threads

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justinh:

ahh so no dropping bits out to speed up decoding ;)

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justinh:

like missing out deblocking n stuff

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DGnome:

justinh: true threading

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DGnome:

afaik

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justinh:

-valdopfdsj could have meant "drop frames, play back half res but scale to full, use 8 bit colour.. " :P

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justinh:

for all I know ;)

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SerajewelKS:

i found the option to keep original files, now my questions are: (1) will the cut information be retained as well, and (2) if it goofs up is there a quick way to replace the transcoded version with the backup?

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directhex|bsp:

justdave, -lavdopts means "pass these parameters to the libavcodec decoder"

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DGnome:

justinh: SvtHD (720p50) runs at 50fps with a nice load spread over all cores

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, ^

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Dagmar:

What?

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Dagmar:

What??

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justinh:

maybe threading isn't on the list but it's planned to be included anyway

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Dagmar:

You know, I could have sworn that would have meant "link to libavdopts.so"

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SerajewelKS:

"Transcode failed with status: 247"

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justinh:

Dagmar: ffmpeggish command line options know no limits

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Dagmar:

Ah... CLI options

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Dagmar:

I spend way too much time reading makefile output

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directhex|bsp:

-lavdopts <option1:option2:...> (DEBUG CODE)

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directhex|bsp:

Specify libavcodec decoding parameters. Separate multiple op‐

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directhex|bsp:

tions with a colon.

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_Ergo_:

DGnome : , the channels like BBC-HD etc. are 1080 ? or 720 ? i think 720 would be enough for me , and hmm.. shouldn movement impact the need of computing power to decode the stream ? i would guess it takes less CPU to decode news program vs lets say "saving private ryan" or "300" that have lots of fast scenes ? ( sorry for silly questions but its better to ask now than later have usless pc )

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: BBC-HD is 1080i

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justinh:

_Ergo_: you need as fast a machine to play 1080i as you do to play 720p. don't skimp

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justinh:

'just fast enough'

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: what justinh said

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justinh:

'just fast enough' is not fast enough :P

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: don't go cheap on the CPU

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: I'd buy a X2 5200EE

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** justinh wonders what his BBC HD decoding chances are with his 1.83 C2D mobile chip **

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_Ergo_:

well that X2 4800 is max what i can buy , or my wife will skin me alive ;-)

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Dagmar:

Skin is overrated.

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justinh:

buy a proper CPU instead, more fasterer

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justinh:

but with X2 just think how much money you'll save on heating

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Dagmar:

Your new Taiwanese bride will expect you to have a big CPU.

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Dagmar:

justinh: actually, no

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justinh:

Dagmar: secondlife needs it!

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Dagmar:

Nothing makes SecondLife run well

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** justinh hates AMD & will not listen to reason! **

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Dagmar:

...aside from maybe being IN Linden Labs

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, you need to be able to decode what the signal contains. if 1080i is broadcast, you need to decode 1080i

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_Ergo_:

Dagmar : arent asians "smaller" ? ;-)

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** DustyBin wonders why justinh needs HD with a CRT **

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, well, clock for clock amd is smelly like wee

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justinh:

DustyBin: to know I _can_ play it

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DustyBin:

:P

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_Ergo_:

oh.. the 5200+ X2 are not very expensive too :-)

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justinh:

DustyBin: does 720P h.264 ok on one core but not if it's AVC

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DustyBin:

ok..

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justinh:

if it's AVC.. ooo boy

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Dagmar:

directhex: Really, because none of the gaming sites seem to think that

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Dagmar:

They've got all these bar graphs and so forth that would appear to indicate that AMD is doing more with fewer clockcycles

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, not physically possible, or borne out by my own benchmarking

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Dagmar:

Ergo: Go Phenom. :)

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justinh:

720p h.264 is like wheeeeee.. smooth, all in sync. 720p h.264 AVC is like.. judder, struggle, flicker, flash, squeal.. grind...

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DustyBin:

there really is NO point at all buying a HD television in the UK at the moment, especially if you dont use a PS3 or have SKY HD

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_Ergo_:

actually i think Intel does better chips , energy and heat wide

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justinh:

DustyBin: and there's really NO point having Sky HD, because it's not really HD

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_Ergo_:

had an athlon 2600 before and now c2d 6400

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directhex|bsp:

http://img.hexus.net/v2/processors/amd/Phenom/9700/Q41.png&nb sp;– go phenom!

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DGnome:

justinh: 1.8GHz C2D is not enough, AV-sync is lost after a while :/

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justinh:

DGnome: how do you know?

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DustyBin:

justinh: i might look around for a widescreen crt, my friend has one and it looks lovely

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directhex|bsp:

http://img.hexus.net/v2/processors/amd/Phenom/9700/WAV1.png&n bsp;– go phenom some more!

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DustyBin:

justinh: think its a panasonic

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justinh:

be the last fucking time I listen to anybody's advice in here if it turns out to be unsuitable

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_Ergo_:

heh , i really thought i can use a pc that would cost less than 1000$ and play european HDTV

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DGnome:

justinh: I have on on this shelf here, replaced it with an E6550

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directhex|bsp:

http://img.hexus.net/v2/processors/amd/Phenom/9700/POV1.png&n bsp;– i'm a changed man, sod intel and their crappylicious performance

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Dagmar:

directhex: So since when is running a dual-threaded test on a quad-core processor a reasonable metric?

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DustyBin:

justinh: i bet one can pick up a 100mhz widescreen 32" CRT pretty darn cheap these days

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justinh:

DustyBin: no! don't do 100Hz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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DustyBin:

why not!

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: dont buy pehom yet, they have a horrible hardware bug

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justinh:

ffs no

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directhex|bsp:

DGnome, no they don't, they roolz ko!

[12:25:46]

DustyBin:

lol

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justinh:

DustyBin: they can't deinterlace for toffee!

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DustyBin:

jeeze ok

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_Ergo_:

well im not buing anything for now, just gathering opinions from myth TV users,

[12:26:17]

justinh:

100Hz is supposed to _reduce_ flicker but they end up making the picture worse

[12:26:24]

directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, you'd discount my 4-way benchmarks as non-existent, so i se no point in sharing

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_Ergo_:

i read somewhere that 2ghz athlon should be "sufficient" LOL

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Dagmar:

That's not a 4-way benchmark

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Dagmar:

Sez right at the top it's only a dual-threaded test.

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justinh:

_Ergo_: well, I was told in here on several occasions that a 1.8Ghz C2D would play BBC HD. last time I believe anything told me by somebody whose nick starts with the letter 'd'

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justinh:

proof will be in the test of course

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Dagmar:

This ain't much better than the claims people were making saying 64-bit was agonizingly slower than 32-bit at transcoding, while all the transcoders were still using only 32-bit operations

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, fine. 4-way GROMACS benchmak, protein for protein, take about 18 hours on opteron and 14 on xeon. same clock speeds.

[12:28:15]

Dagmar:

directhex: I'll stick with trusting the guys who have the 1000 node cluster in the next room over from me

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DGnome:

justinh: Did I make you start hating people whose nicks start with d:s? :)

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jblack:

Would I be crazy to think there's slight improvements in commercial detect between 0.20 and 0.20.99 ?

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_Ergo_:

so again what AMD and intel processor is "really" sufficient for AVC h.264 ?

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Dagmar:

At the moment they're not even considering quad cores yet because the timings don't come out right

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: X2 4800 and E6550

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justinh:

_Ergo_: personally I wouldn't trust ANYTHING ANYBODY tells you in here. try for yourself

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: and those only for braodcast

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: dont know how they work fro BluRay and such

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justinh:

bluray has stupidly high bitrates

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_Ergo_:

justinh : , assembling a comupter like that takes about my monthly salary, so i dont want to have more than 1 try :P

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justinh:

broadcasts top out at 18mbits

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: why broadcasts, because broadcasts are usually encoded with slices that can be parallelized

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justinh:

DGnome: same with disc formats AFAIK

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directhex|bsp:

redqueen:/home/system/jms # doall "grep '^model name' /proc/cpuinfo" | grep -c Xeon

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directhex|bsp:

512

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directhex|bsp:

queeg:/home/system/jms # doall "grep '^model name' /proc/cpuinfo" | grep -c Opteron 2> /dev/null

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directhex|bsp:

496

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Dagmar:

directhex: The real key is learning not to give a shit because six months from now it all flips round the other way anyhow

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directhex|bsp:

let's assume i have some machines for benchmarking, shall we?

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DGnome:

justinh: oh, have to try it out :)

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, buy slower tech now because the newer model might be faster? that's logic?

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DustyBin:

justinh: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Panasonic-TX32PK25-32-W . . . cmdZViewItem

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DustyBin:

perfek :D

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Dagmar:

Buy older tech because the newer tech might not be costs effective until the code that runs on it can take advantage of it.

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justinh:

anyway – not that much skin off my nose if my 1.83Ghz c2d can't play BBCHD. I can just upgrade it later

[12:32:04]

DGnome:

crt:s and analog video sucks

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Dagmar:

s/might not/will not/ actually

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_Ergo_:

for now we have like 8–10 HD channels for the providers i have bought, so its a bit irrevelan, but i would like to watch HDrips on my mythTV instead my normal PC

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justinh:

DustyBin: same model as mine. not bad, but svideo over scart2 is a bit noisy

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directhex|bsp:

opteron is physically slower than xeon, other than for 99% memory bound code. that's not opinion, it's physics. you can check it with an electron microscope if need be

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DustyBin:

ok

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justinh:

Component x 1 .. BULLSHIT

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justinh:

COMPOSITE, you fucking retard!

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justinh:

can I leave a comment already? ;)

[12:33:27]

Dagmar:

I don't have to, becuase I, personally, am not trying to find cures for cancer and shit.

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DustyBin:

justinh: i would just use the s-video input, i wouldnt use scart at all

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justinh:

svideo at the front?!

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justinh:

messy

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DustyBin:

if the picture looks better i dont mind

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DustyBin:

i remember philips made some nice 32" crts too, nice strong blacks

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Dagmar:

omg racist!

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mzb_d800:

justinh: drink cold(er) beer ;)) [good night;]

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DustyBin:

lol

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justinh:

hey look at this! it has component! http://i14.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/d7/58/9b3c_1.JPG

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DustyBin:

to hell with lcd/plasma shit ive had enough of it

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Dagmar:

I HAS A COMPONENT!

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justinh:

the yellow one!

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justinh:

is it still PC to say 'yellow' ?

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, opteron is only a better buy than xeon if you run enormously memory-bound code. athlon64 is only a better buy than core2 if you're skint

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_Ergo_:

i found AMD AthlonX2 5400+ AM2 – for about 130$ i think that should handle my needs for recording /watching HDTV ?

[12:35:41]

Dagmar:

Ergo: Well, you'd be hard pressed to go higher

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: with native mythtv in the future

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_Ergo_:

hell, soon ill end up with a server machine ;-)

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: for now, mythvideo + mplayer

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_Ergo_:

DGnome : what do you mean by "native" ?

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justinh:

mzb_d800: component/composite mixups piss me off almost as much as 'they're/their/there' errors & grocers' apostrophe's (sic)

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Dagmar:

ergo: Do you normally put two terabytes of disk in your desktop?

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, greengrocer's apostrophe's are there to annoy pedant's

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** DustyBin checks local paper **

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_Ergo_:

Dagmar: , for starters ill put a 400gb there, im limited i guess

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justinh:

<3 pedantry

[12:37:15]

Dagmar:

justinh: This is in your future if you don't relax a bit: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/02/04

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, theirs more to life than pedant's

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_Ergo_:

i dont need to store 100's of hours on that

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: I'd also recommend separating the backend from the frontend :)

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justinh:

this is in my future if I don't relax a bit.. mythtvthemes.co.uk .. 404 not found

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Dagmar:

That's good cuz you will be lucky to get 200 hours on there without serious recompression

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_Ergo_:

DGnome: , lol you mean 2 separate machines ?

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: by native, without having to copy out the recording and playing it with mythvideo using mplayer

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: it very comfortable

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: to have separate machines

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: the frontend can be diskless

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DGnome:

tha backend can be a slower machine

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_Ergo_:

Dagmar : i would be happy just to store 50–60 gb of mp3-s , and like 50–100 gb od recordings – from time to time

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justinh:

and who the hell at Cisco invented that ringtone that sounds like a drowning saxophone?

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_Ergo_:

ehh id like to keep just 1 pc on the room, in a nice case ;-)

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Dagmar:

Well, why don't you just go ahead and paint the frontend pink with little flowers and bunnies down the sides

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: put the backend somewhere where it may be ugly and make noise :)

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Dagmar:

If it doesnt' scare the housepets, it's not enough machine yet.

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mzb_d800:

justinh: better than: http error: 69 head up arse ;)

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mzb_d800:

and having a name that ends with "s" I know what you mean :)

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justinh:

head up arse as in 'some themes will be deprecated because I don't care about you' ?

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mzb_d800:

heh

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mzb_d800:

not personal

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mzb_d800:

just thinking of a different number

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justinh:

don't mind if it is. guilty as charged

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justinh:

god help us if OSS contributors ever get selfish :P

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mzb_d800:

:)

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_Ergo_:

DGnome: , out of the question to have more than 1 pc, i guess ill build 1 machine that will serve as home media center + and possibly a gaming console, so ill just add more hdd's there in future

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Dagmar:

s/don't care about you/find your agony to be sweeter than any nectar/;

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mzb_d800:

have a good night justinh :)

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mzb_d800:

(s/night/day...etc/

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justinh:

mzb_d800: I will, cos I don't hang around here in the evenings much anymore

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mzb_d800:

speaking of which ... it's pumpkin hour for me ... have fun

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Dagmar:

ergo: Nah, you need a dedicated file server with a GigE link

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Dagmar:

_need_!

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justinh:

mwhahahahahaha! http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/314640

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_Ergo_:

lol ;-)

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_Ergo_:

stop making fun of that i really need a good advice ;-)

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_Ergo_:

when i want to start making clusters ill go to my hosting company :D

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justinh:

_Ergo_: a backend doesn't have to be fast. it's not doing any playback

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_Ergo_:

justinh : but backend does encoding streams right ?

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justinh:

not unless you transcode stuff

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_Ergo_:

and dvd burning etc ?, doing that over ethernet doesnt seem a great idea

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Dagmar:

Yeah, pretty much you could take some barebones box with PCI-X (cuz plain PCI don't do gigabit), fill it with SATA controllers and attach craptons of disk to it

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justinh:

if a HDTV channel is 18mbits/sec all it's doing is writing stuff on HDD at 18mbits/sec & streaming it back out to a frontend at 18mbits/sec

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, digital tv is pre-encoded

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_Ergo_:

i wanted a wifi connection in my box etc.

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, how many boards offer you pci-x though? (i know the answer, more or less)

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Dagmar:

I've no idea. I just know mine said it did on the box

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Dibblah:

Interesting. http://www.edgeinnovations.fi/?tocID=4&subCat=1&lang=eng

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_Ergo_:

directhex|bsp: , right, so it just writes the stream to hdd ? but what about encrypted streams? they are written encrypted to disk ? and then it gets decrypted with coeds from my card on frontend ?

[12:47:14]

Dibblah:

The MythTV box that sponsored multirec.

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, the CAM decrypts. decrypted video is stored

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_Ergo_:

ah, i thought it uses CPU

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** justinh drops mythtv like a hot rock. Archos TV+ is here! ZOMG! **

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justinh:

no, wait a sec. it's shite just like appletv is

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, there are a grand total of 4 modernish boards, iirc, with pci-x, which take consumer chips

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_Ergo_:

directhex|bsp : but if i want to watch tv live , does it go thru backend to frontend , or just thru frontend ?

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justinh:

backend to frontend

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Dagmar:

Sure if you just HAVE to have PCI-X, but that's the _least_ you can get away with as far as I know

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, the backend records. the frontend watches

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Dibblah:

Why bother, though? PCI-e x1 gives a metric buttload more bandwidth?

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, pcie is common and cheap by comparison, including disk controllers

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DGnome:

Dagmar: a PCI attached RTL8169 is enough for most aplications :)

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Dagmar:

Dibblha: Because I said _least_

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Dibblah:

REALTEK?

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Dibblah:

You're recommending realtek?

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_Ergo_:

so... err... what is the problem with loosing av/sync with too slow CPU ? cant it just skip frames ?

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Dagmar:

The important hting being that plain PCI won't handle GigE as far as I've been told

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Dibblah:

Yes, it will.

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DGnome:

Dibblah: they just work, no pain in the ass

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Dagmar:

So if we're done being bitchy...

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DGnome:

Dibblah: plus the price is very right

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_Ergo_:

Dibblah : , realteks work fine, but ralink chips for WIFI sux

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directhex|bsp:

realtek is the lesser of a few common evils

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Dibblah:

PCI goes up to a theoretical 127Mbytes/sec.

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Dagmar:

I was told gige requires more throughput than a normal PCI bus can provide

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Dibblah:

If you're sharing the bus, then that's true.

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, it does, if you can keep both ends stocked with data, and your cabling is great

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DGnome:

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Dibblah:

But mostly, it's not, since the disk controller is on the southbridge, not attached to the bus.

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Dibblah:

Cabling? Uh... Right.

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Dagmar:

There you go

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Dibblah:

DGnome: There's also protocol dead time.

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DGnome:

Dagmar: GigE needs nothing, just the throughput that suffers

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directhex|bsp:

Dibblah, tried using a bad cat5 cable? reckon you'll push 1000mbit on it?

[12:53:38]

Dibblah:

No, but that's just really nasty cabling.

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Dagmar:

dgnome: Frankly, I'd rather the throughput not suffer on something I'm paying extra to go faster, yaknow?

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: How do you mean?

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Dagmar:

if you try to run gige over cat5 you should have your fingers crimped

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: Phooey.

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DGnome:

Dagmar: in that case, go for PCIe and cisco hardware :)

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Dibblah:

Dinkum.

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Dibblah:

Rubbish.

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Dagmar:

If it can't pass a cat6 test, then screw it

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, gige is okay on cat5, just don't expect more than about 700mbit from it

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Dibblah:

In a commercial environment, that's true.

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directhex|bsp:

and that's home-crimped, not proper moulded stuff

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Dibblah:

But home use, <20M, you will not see any appreciable difference.

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directhex|bsp:

i have a box of cat6 next to the tv at home, gotta find somewhere to store it

[12:55:20]

DGnome:

I'm happy if I can get +-30MB/s over cat5

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I will, because I"m used to running the cat6 cabling here with zero tolerance for eff-ups

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Dibblah:

And I'm running cat5.

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Dibblah:

Also with zero errors.

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Dibblah:

(Had a managed gig switch for a while – No errors reported. None.

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directhex|bsp:

i rnu cat5 at home, all my own horribly exposed runs, and get a reasonably reliable 650mbit

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Dagmar:

We spent a lot of money on this little Validator-NT stuff, and regardless of it's retarded name ("Test-Um") it calls foul on a lot of cables unless they're perfect

[12:56:23]

Dagmar:

...so we just do 'em perfect.

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** directhex|bsp wraps an infiniband cable around Dagmar **

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** Dagmar drops 60lb of yellow cat6 on directhex **

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: IPerf: 0.0–10.0 sec 1.09 GBytes 938 Mbits/sec

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Dibblah:

That's on a cat5, running for 20M.

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** directhex|bsp drops an altix on Dagmar **

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Dibblah:

No jumbo frames, no fiddling.

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Dagmar:

Look, if we coulnd't turn around and tell the professors that the cabling is perfect, some of these guys would make our lives hell

[12:58:08]

Dagmar:

They would blame us for their screwy windows machine behaviour killing their server's output

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Dibblah:

It could be worse. In the last place I worked, the patch cables were made up specially for them.

[12:58:31]

Dibblah:

By a guy called "Pete the phone"

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Dibblah:

Yup. I'm sure he knew phones.

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Dagmar:

Why do you think I hate it when someone hands me a server install that has to be done in the next hour

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Dibblah:

But didn't know how d+ and d- actually have to be paired in cat5 :(

[12:59:10]

Dagmar:

The only things we have someone else make is we have a company that does the runs that go from the punchdown panels in each rack to the interconnect row

[12:59:20]

Dibblah:

Shockingly enough, it worked for 10Mbits.

[12:59:27]

Dibblah:

Broke randomly at 100.

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directhex|bsp:

Dibblah, i've done worse

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Dagmar:

String them along on the same hooks as some christmas lights and you will find quickly that it does _not_ work with 10bT

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directhex|bsp:

Dibblah, in my student house, the guy who installed networking did so in rainbow color order, but made an error at one end on my connection

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directhex|bsp:

Dibblah, for 6 months, i was networking over crosstalk

[13:00:39]

Dibblah:

The cables were quite literally wired as Orange Green Blue Brown OW GW BlW BrW :(

[13:00:49]

Dagmar:

Hmm... Took me all of about ten minutes to figure out that when the lights were on downstairs, my throughput went to shit, and that I should probably look closely at the cabling the housemates did, ;)

[13:00:55]

Dibblah:

... So NONE of the wires had pairs.

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Dagmar:

15 feet of the run was on the same hooks as a nice set of twinkly christmas lights.

[13:01:27]

Dibblah:

How he'd managed to get the base sequence right, I have no idea.

[13:01:27]

pcb-dennis:

hey, i am looking for support for mod_auth_ntlm_winbind, is this the right place?

[13:01:38]

Dibblah:

pcb-dennis: Probably not...

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directhex|bsp:

Dibblah, yeah, mine was like that, but it was also *wrong*. i wasn't getting crosstalk in a bad way, it was the only way i was online

[13:01:42]

Dagmar:

I could pick up a subtantial amount of AC current on the wire with both ends disconnected. :P

[13:01:42]

pcb-dennis:

ah fuck...no this is not the right place^^

[13:01:43]

directhex|bsp:

pcb-dennis, #samba ?

[13:01:44]

Dibblah:

Try #samba

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pcb-dennis:

directhex|bsp: thought i was in #samba

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Dibblah:

Is there an echo in here? :)

[13:02:08]

Dagmar:

pdb-denis: Or possibly #Apache

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Dibblah:

pcb-dennis: Err... No, you're not.

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Dagmar:

...but why bother using crappy lanman hashes anyway

[13:02:47]

Dibblah:

Grrr.

[13:02:57]

Dibblah:

NTLM doesn't necessarily mean weak hashes.

[13:03:04]

Dagmar:

Like he knows that

[13:03:09]

Dibblah:

... But that's not a discussion for here :)

[13:03:28]

Dagmar:

That's right. It's a discussion for us to be vague about and him to get the guys in #samba all spun up about. ;)

[13:03:36]

Dagmar:

...but someone can't play along. *sigh*

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pcb-dennis:

:)

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pcb-dennis:

the guys in #samba dont talk as much as you do ;)

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_Ergo_:

one more question, what CPU is needed to decode standard SD content ? any AMD X2 will be enough ?

[13:08:29]

Dagmar:

Pfft.

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Dagmar:

a 400Mhz celery could do it

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_Ergo_:

Dagmar: , but i want that box to do a little more , be a game console etc ;D

[13:08:56]

Dagmar:

SD video playback is _not_ particularly hard

[13:09:16]

** _Ergo_ wonders why HDTV is europe has to be so resource intensive :/ **

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Dagmar:

So worry about what speed CPU you need to make your little emulators run then

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, 700mhz p3 for comfortable digital sdtv

[13:10:23]

_Ergo_:

maybe i should actually drop the whole HDTV thing, since i could only watch sport and discovery channels

[13:10:31]

_Ergo_:

and just do a SD box ...

[13:10:55]

_Ergo_:

could use my wife's PC to build it hehe....

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DustyBin:

ive already pin pointed what CRT i want, it all depends on what size i choose, it has taken me 30mins to decide: Philips 24PW6518 / Philips 28PW6518 28" / Philips 32PW6518 32"

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DustyBin:

compared to the last year on what LCD/PLASMA to buy which i never came to a conclusion

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_Ergo_:

and what specs do i have to have to decode standard HDrips or xvids ?

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_Ergo_:

mythTV can do that too i guess ? and add subtitles ?

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DGnome:

_Ergo_: GreedyH 2x and Yadif deinterlacers take about 10% CPU on this X2 4800, GreedyH 2x is needed for perfect playback

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_Ergo_:

DGnome: so far i dont have LCD tv set, im thinking about future here, but thats strange, i had some problems with HDrip of 300 on c2d 6400... it could skip in some places but that was on windows and VLC player

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Dagmar:

Just get a decent one that does 720p and has VGA/DVI intput for now

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Dagmar:

It's going to be awhile before 1080 content becomes common enough that it would be considered a reasonable requirement

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directhex|bsp:

it's the norm for hd discs

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directhex|bsp:

which aren't common yet, but just sayin'

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Dagmar:

...which strangely, we don't really have in Linux in too many places.

[13:16:31]

Dagmar:

Exactly.

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_Ergo_:

i think that 300 movie was transcoded lower to 720p ( but im not sure)

[13:16:53]

DustyBin:

Dagmar: linux is in my netgear router!

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Dagmar:

There's still time to where it's not unreasonable to buy something inexpensive knowing you'll just sell it to get a bit more money to buy something better in two years

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_Ergo_:

and it was really resource intensive

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_Ergo_:

i have also open source movie that was made in blender3d "elephants dream" – i dont remember what it was encoded with

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Dagmar:

"a complete lack of judgement"

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_Ergo_:

but there is no possible whay to play it 100% witohut any skip on my machine

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, you cynic you!

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Solv:

I want to setup a mythfrontend on another pc to connect to my mythbox. How do I find out which version of mythbackend I have?

[13:18:39]

Dagmar:

WEll, it's ugly

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Dagmar:

The whole thing is uglt

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Dagmar:

s/uglt/ugly/;

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, i hope the next one is better, it has a chinchilla in it and chins are fuzzy and cute!

[13:19:12]

Dagmar:

It's got tons of detail and lots of technical fancy fancy but the end result is that it's damn ugly

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_Ergo_:

lol

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Dagmar:

directhex: Honesly, I'd take simulated ducks and bunnies any day of the week

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directhex|bsp:

http://peach.blender.org/wp-content/uploads/t . . . uncement.jpg

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_Ergo_:

peach will be probably fun ;-)

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DustyBin:

"A spokesman for HSBC blamed the security lapse on a fault with the electronic door, and rewarded Oliver by putting £10 in his own bank account."

[13:22:43]

DustyBin:

LOL f*** off

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DustyBin:

excuse the language

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DustyBin:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/7231078.stm

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_Ergo_:

so i guess the only thing that will be timeproof in my mythTV pvr will be chassis – antec fusion :P

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, yes!

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jblack:

Ahhh. Nothing like being in a trusting society in which not even the bank doors are locked.

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DustyBin:

Afterwards police told Oliver: "You're a little superhero – you've saved the day."

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DustyBin:

lol

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otwin:

10£ – wow...

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_Ergo_:

lol nice banks they have there

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DustyBin:

generous

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jblack:

Heh. Here, they'd throw the kid in jail for tresspassing. :)

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directhex|bsp:

they still might throw the parents in jail for letting the child run somewhere unsupervised

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DustyBin:

i dont mind criminals who rob banks, good luck to them

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Dagmar:

WTF

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Dagmar:

I had the local police hot to bust my ass years ago for WAY less than that

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Solv:

are mythbackend ports udp or tcp? I imagine I need to open port 6543 on my client mythfrontend box to connect?

[13:29:49]

Dagmar:

So, it's okay for a five year old to make a mockery of your security, but for a responsible adult who promptly reports these things to people it's evil?

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Dagmar:

Weeeeak.

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Dagmar:

Solv: hint: `netstat -tunap | grep myth`

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_Ergo_:

btw. did anyone used mythTV with via's processors ?

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, lots of people. via chips are shit

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Solv:

Dagmar, ta

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Solv:

currently my mythfrontend can't connect...just trying the most obvious things first

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Dagmar:

Ah they're not "shit", they're just "computationally challenged"

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Dagmar:

SOlv: Can't connect to what

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_Ergo_:

directhex|bsp : well i know that they are slow , but thought that they would be sufficient for builinf a very silent and cheap HTPC

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, you can go faster, cheaper, with intel, at the same size

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_Ergo_:

like P3 ?

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Solv:

Dagmar, the backend, I already have a backend/frontend on the same box running...just testing out running a frontend from a seperate bix

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Solv:

box

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directhex|bsp:

modern kit. via is horrendously expensive for what you get, whereas there are epia-sized intel boards available

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Solv:

I can see the stats from the web interface okay

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Dagmar:

Solv: Okay yeah, I thought maybe you were having trouble connecting to the database

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Solv:

so do i need to open 6549, 5060 and 1900?

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Dagmar:

solv: Use netstat -tunap and _look_

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Dagmar:

It tells you immediately what is listening to what ports.

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Dagmar:

...and on what interfaces.

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Dagmar:

I've no idea where you got the 5060 number from

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Solv:

Dagmar, yeah I opened them all...I've just disabled the firewall for testing...still can't connect...

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Solv:

Dagmar, it's there

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Solv:

5060

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** directhex|bsp thinks backend is bound to 127.0.0.1 **

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Dagmar:

probably so

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Solv:

6672/mythbackend udp 0 0 192.168.1.31:5060 0.0.0.0:*

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Dagmar:

...but reading the output of netstat should make that obvious

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_Ergo_:

oh and and probablyl silly question , do i have to have more than 1 tuner in my box to watch 1 channel and record another ( i saw some tuners that need to have 2 dishes connected at the sime time do do stuff like that )

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Solv:

Dagmar, so i need to go into mythtv-setup and change from the localhost ip to the actual ip of the machine?

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, you need 2 tuners to do 2 things at once, unless both channels you want to use are on the same transponder

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Solv:

Dagmar, it's not obvious to someone who isn't as smart as you are...now you say it I can see it...but I would never have realised it on my own

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, 0.21 will allow you to record and watch using only 1 card, as long as the transponder is the same. 2 cards opens that up somewhat

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, you only need 1 dish, as long as your dish has a multi-output LNB on it

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Dagmar:

Solv: That's why I was dropping hints

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Dagmar:

You know the saying, "Make a man a fire and he'll be warm for a night, set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

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Solv:

Dagmar, hehehe...well I know the REAL one...give a man a fish etc etc

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Dagmar:

It's when we start giving direct answers that you can know we think you're dim.

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Dagmar:

Take only getting hints as a compliment.

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Dagmar:

Strong, unsubtle hints, but still just hints

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Solv:

Dagmar, thanks....know I think i need some more hints...i just changed the ip address to 192.168.1.31 in both fields of the 'general' setup in mythtv-setup...confirmed the frontend on the same machine works...but still I can't connect to the database...

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Dagmar:

It's these first few problems that are crucial to people's development of a belief that they can probably figure things out on their own, instead of getting into a state where they're asking for help on what button to push to change channels.

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Solv:

do I have to tell mysql to accept remote connections?

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Dagmar:

Solv: okay, _now_ we're talking something that should work properly, but...

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Dagmar:

Solv: More than that

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Dagmar:

There's _one_ more thing you've not noticed yet, and it's in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview

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Dagmar:

...which will actually probably help you tons.

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Solv:

i like links...they are far better than the quick answer

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Solv:

will read and bbs

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Dagmar:

I wrote that because when I started messing with this, the thing that was gobbling up MOST of my time was having to figure out how the @#$@# pieces fit together and what talks to what

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Dagmar:

Halfway down the page, "Mythfrontend gets it's configuration information ..."

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Solv:

yep

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SerajewelKS:

is thre a way to pull out the cut data in a format that e.g. transcode can use, so i can transcode a recorded mpg into whatever format i want with only the cuts i want?

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Solv:

okay, so hopefully theres some documentation about how to get mysql to listen to remote connections

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Dagmar:

Check /etc/my.cnf for the "skip-networking" token, which does the somewhat obvious (disables networking)

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Dagmar:

If you're using Slackware, the rc script that starts mysqld disables that, instead of it being in the config file, but everyone else seems to use a config file directive

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Solv:

Dagmar, using knoppmyth

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Solv:

Dagmar, so just comment out the line 'bind address' = 127.0.0.1

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Dagmar:

That would probably be wise

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Solv:

it says it doesn't use skip-networking anymore

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Dagmar:

They might not. I'm pretty sure MySQL does tho

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Dagmar:

Probably because of all the people who didn't realize that using the name 'localhost' makes mysql clients connect differently than if you say '127.0.0.1'

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_Ergo_:

apart from commenting out the bind address for mysql 5

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_Ergo_:

you will need to log in to mysql

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_Ergo_:

and give the user rights to log outsife of localhhost

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Solv:

i have a fairly recent version...just updated....has a comment just above the bind option saying that Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on

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Solv:

# localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure.

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_Ergo_:

you will need a wildcard % to allow the user to connect from anywhere

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Solv:

_Ergo_, ouch...now that i don't look forward too...is there a web interface way of doing that...i've tried doing some command stuff with mysql...bloody hard

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Dagmar:

Solv: It's mainly a matter of not needing IP sockets at all if you use the name localhost

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_Ergo_:

solv its not hard

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_Ergo_:

its like ALTER bla bla user@'%' WITH PASSWORD 'bla bla ' ;

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Dagmar:

For connections to 'localhost' it'll use UNIX sockets

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_Ergo_:

syntax goes like that

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_Ergo_:

check the manual for mysql its really easy

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_Ergo_:

i use psotgresql for my daily work more often :D

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_Ergo_:

postgresql :P

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Solv:

_Ergo_, yeah i've heard its better than mysql...

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directhex|bsp:

mysquirrel!

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_Ergo_:

Solv: : GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO USERNAME@IP IDENTIFIED BY "PASSWORD";

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_Ergo_:

you need to run that for the user that you want to have remote access

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_Ergo_:

instead ip use '%' if you want him to connect from anywhere

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_Ergo_:

its reallly easy :]

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Solv:

ta

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, don't advise that yet. it's very probably fine by default

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_Ergo_:

directhex|bsp : trust me i dine it like 30 times on my VMware boxes for webdevelopement from windows ;-)

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directhex|bsp:

Solv, just try the very basics: mysql -h192.168.1.32 -umythtv -p mythconverg

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_Ergo_:

commenting out bind adress is 1 thing , priviladges for users are needed too

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directhex|bsp:

_Ergo_, and he *will* break things by doing unknown magic incantations ni his db without absolute knowledge that it's required

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Solv:

ummm...yeah it worked without doing all that :p

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Solv:

just had to comment out the bind address in my.conf

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_Ergo_:

directhex|bsp : hew should use a GUI frontend then ;-)

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directhex|bsp:

"it's very probably fine by default"

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directhex|bsp:

hey look, it was!

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Solv:

this is so sweet...cept for the prebuffering pauses...must be my shite wireless card

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_Ergo_:

hmm.. in default configuration i cant connect from 1 machine to mysql on another on debian at least

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_Ergo_:

oh well, i tried to help :D

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Solv:

_Ergo_, yeah cause debian are security paranoid

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Solv:

_Ergo_, you were a great help...thanx

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_Ergo_:

its set up properly ;-)

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Solv:

Dagmar, you too..cheers

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_Ergo_:

at least for a noob like me

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_Ergo_:

everything "works"

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Dagmar:

s/paranoid/concious/l

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Dagmar:

'cuz if they didn't secure the apps by default, you can be damn sure half their users won't.

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Dagmar:

I thought we broke everyone of insecured default configurations back in '95

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directhex|bsp:

and if securing mysql by default is wrong, why does every "good" distro's mythtv package use 127.0.0.1?

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Dagmar:

s/insecured/unsecured/;

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Dagmar:

Probably because of the number of users that can't be bothered to read

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wireddd:

being able to take my laptop out on the deck and run mythfrontend on it with out having any cables attached, and watching live cable tv is quite fun

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Solv:

wireddd, i imagine

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justinh:

sitting on a roof shooting people & watching the ensuing panic is quite fun, too I imagine

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_Ergo_:

its a lot funnier to set them on fire

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justinh:

"give a man fire & he's warm for a day. Set him on fire & he's warm for the rest of his life"

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directhex|bsp:

is that a request, justinh?

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** Dagmar calls up "Torches & Pitchforks Express" **

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** justinh goes back to under his bridge **

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wireddd:

Solv: my neighbor was quite confused as to how I could watch the superbowl live on my deck from my laptop

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justinh:

god help them

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justinh:

those magic rays in the air. ffs they'll have somebody's eye out

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Solv:

wireddd, well you obviously have a better wireless card than me....my 22mbs is pausing every second...quite unwatchable at the moment...i'll have to see if i can enlarge the buffer somehow

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wireddd:

I do have a really really good signal

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justinh:

use a wire

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wireddd:

out side?

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justinh:

you can get IP rated RJ sockets

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Solv:

yeah....my wife hates the mess...but too bad....it's only from the hall to the office...i'll try and put it under the carpet =)

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, IP67 networking on the patio?

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justinh:

hates the mess vs not being able to watch telly. hmmm

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Solv:

justinh, oh no she can watch the telly in the other room

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Solv:

this is just for me, so when she puts a DVD on for the kids i don't wanna see, i just head over to the office and check out whats on tv

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wireddd:

wire your house up with a proper network....

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Solv:

wireddd, not my house

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Solv:

but i still might anyway....who's gonna complain having network plates in their house...its a value add on =)

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directhex|bsp:

Solv, you'd be surprised. my tenancy contract demands i pull out all networking i added

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justinh:

Solv: depends if you leave unplastered channels in the walls :P

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Solv:

lol

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Dagmar:

Use some nice decades-old wire you got at a thrift shop and no conduits

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, how much d'you reckon housewide channels would cost?

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Dagmar:

What's not to like about that

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Solv:

i guess i could get those ethernet over power adapters...

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Dagmar:

I like power over ethernet

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Dagmar:

Free 12V

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Solv:

Dagmar, i meant the other way around

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Solv:

data over power lines

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Dagmar:

Yes, but if you have a 10 port switch, you can run a computer off it. ;)

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Solv:

lol...not sure how it would handle the heat the current drew

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Dagmar:

That's the network manager's problem

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Dagmar:

I used to have a URL for a shop that had all sorts of silly shit like that for sale

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Solv:

ah bugger...i promised myself an early night...and its 1:30....damn

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Dagmar:

RJ45 to 110VAC adapter and so forth

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Solv:

cool

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Dagmar:

They wouldn't sell you an RS-232 to 110VAC adapter tho. THat would be silly, since they already sold RS232-RJ45 adapters

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Solv:

okay cheers ppls...will finish this myth thingo another day

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Dagmar:

I wonder if he realized how inadvisable RJ45<->110VAC is

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Dagmar:

'cuz now I'm worried

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_Ergo_:

can someone recommend me a good motherboard that i could use for HTPC and it would have intergrated GPU ? for starters ?

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justinh:

Dagmar: adapters which modulate network signals onto mains power. up to 80mbits/sec or so

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Dagmar:

justin: No, this one just applied 110VAC to various pins

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Dagmar:

"Lets the magic smoke out"

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Dagmar:

I'm perfectly aware of ethernet over wall wiring tech

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Dagmar:

I just do my cable runs using the HVAC ducts.

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directhex|bsp:

god i'm sad. i think i need to upgrade to a 16-port switch when i move house, to do things properly

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clever:

my 12port switched is maxed out

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clever:

and im using several ports in a linksys router in my bedroom(treating it like antoher switch)

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DustyBin:

justinh: all these crts have received great reviews: Philips 24PW6518 24" / Philips 28PW6518 28" / Philips 32PW6518 32"

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DustyBin:

flatscreen black tube

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DustyBin:

50hz

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DGnome:

CRT's make kittens cry

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directhex|bsp:

DGnome, kittens are evil little things though! they deserve sadness!

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directhex|bsp:

crts certainly give me a headache, though

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directhex|bsp:

DGnome, anyway, i can think of an excellent reason to own a crt

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directhex|bsp:

duck hunt won't work with my tft!

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DGnome:

mmh, duck hunt

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DGnome:

I refuse to sit infront of CRTs at work

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DustyBin:

LCD/PLASMA technology isnt mature enough

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DGnome:

less headaches nowadays :)

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DustyBin:

shit keeps on changing all the time

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DGnome:

DustyBin: LCD is good enough and plasma could not be bothered.

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DustyBin:

not here in UK, everything is low-res, it makes no sense

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directhex|bsp:

dual 21" monitors was nice as an undergrad, but they gave me nasty headaches. the room sounded like it was screaming in my brain

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DGnome:

DustyBin: my mythtv-boxen makes SDTV look better on my LG 42LF75 than any analog-connected STB

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DGnome:

Low res is a bad excuse

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DGnome:

I didn't know SDTV could look so good

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DGnome:

thanks to GreedyH2x

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justinh:

GreedyH2x is bad for the planet

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DustyBin:

i dont use SDTV, all i use is low-res freeview TV and normal DVDs for the odd film

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directhex|bsp:

freeview *is* sdtv

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DGnome:

DustyBin: lol @ u dud

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directhex|bsp:

as is dvd

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DustyBin:

my friend has a CRT 32" and the picture is lovely

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** justinh is proud not to be reddy for de hud **

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DGnome:

and kittens cry

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DustyBin:

ive seriously had enough of it, its never ending, CRT for now, then once freeview goes HD then ill look into it again

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** directhex|bsp has been using de hud for about 2 years, just not for tv or movies **

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justinh:

games suck

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directhex|bsp:

games rule

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DGnome:

DustyBin: when I talk of SDTV, I'm talking about 720x576i MPEG2 over DVB-T :)

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justinh:

de hud is overrated

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DustyBin:

games were great in the C64 days, now they suck

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DGnome:

de hud is ph34r

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directhex|bsp:

DustyBin, no, they really don't

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: it's only opinions

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, no it isn't!

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, is this the right room for an argument?

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justinh:

if somebody thinks it's a complete waste of money to buy a stupid £300 console, that's up to them

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justinh:

if someone isn't willing to waste almost a month's salary on a piece of crap TV which might last 5 years & still not look as good as their CRT, that's up to them too

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justinh:

what % of content broadcast on TV is actually in de hud anyway?

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justinh:

can't even be 10% yet, unless you like watching shitty films

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DGnome:

shitty films are better than some HDTV demos :D

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justinh:

but no, if you don't believe in de hud, you must be a luddite

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DustyBin:

what is de hud ?

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DGnome:

shitty films are better than http://www.luxe.tv/

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justinh:

DustyBin: de hud. HUD

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justinh:

what you get when you say 'h' and 'd' :)

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justinh:

HUD

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justinh:

huh-de-tuv

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** justinh blames Fonejacker for this madness **

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DGnome:

:o

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justinh:

guy on fonejacker tries to pronounce all acronyms. funny as f. the 1st few times

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jduggan_:

luck uh duh tuv

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justinh:

(lcdtv)

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jduggan_:

yea, after 3 times it gets borin ;)

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jduggan_:

:)

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jduggan_:

like the internet providings

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justinh:

rings directory enquiries wanting the number for derfs.. who sell the sofas

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justinh:

doovde >> vuuhhs

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DGnome:

mmkay

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DGnome:

it's madness alright

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Dagmar:

Yep he's talkin' limey again

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justinh:

look up fonejacker on youtubes. funny the 1st couple of times like jduggan_ said

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** directhex|bsp makes Dagmar use cockney rhyming slang **

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Dagmar:

Oh I can do that

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Dagmar:

I just need to stuff my face with pickled eggs and hit myself in the side of the head with a small hammer

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justinh:

americans doing cockney.. put the dick in dick van dyke

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justinh:

cwor blimey guvvnah!

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directhex|bsp:

why can't the english teach their children how to speak?

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justinh:

don't forget to stain your teeth brown & file them down to different angles!

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Dagmar:

'cuz there's a vicar on the landin

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Dagmar:

...and too many people have bob for an uncle.

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Dagmar:

Entirely too many.

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directhex|bsp:

this verbal class distinction, by now, should be extinct

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Dagmar:

Come to think of it, that could explain a lot.

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Dagmar:

s/lot/great deal/;

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: is it becuzz I is not educated, innit

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justinh:

it coz mi folkz r alws dn teh pub

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directhex|bsp:

if you spoke as she does, sir, instead of the way you do, why, you might be selling flowers too!

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directhex|bsp:

hear a yorkshireman, or worse, a cornishman converse, i'd rather hear a choir singing flat!

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** justinh is glad not to own a strong accent of any kind **

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directhex|bsp:

chickens cackling in a barn just like this one! eliza garn! henry i ask you, sir, what sort of word is that?

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Beirdo:

fuggin sinuses. They should be banned

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** justinh wonders what the yanks would make of Shameless & whether or not it'd need subtitles **

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Dagmar:

Beirdo: Sinuses are why we invented psuedoephedrine HCl

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Beirdo:

Dagmar, no kidding. Anyways, I took some Benedryl, I'm not QUITE as miserable now

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Dagmar:

...of course, now you need to fill out more paperwork for buying that than you do a handgun.

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Beirdo:

nah

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justinh:

Dagmar: the connection is easy to spot

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Beirdo:

you can get one box over the counter, IIRC

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Beirdo:

but no more

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Dagmar:

Not here you can't.

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Dagmar:

The local Walgreen's makes you fill out a form in triplicate

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Beirdo:

Then your state is stupid, that was the last regulation I heard of from the govt

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Dagmar:

I can buy a handgun by just showing an ID

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justinh:

no waiting period?

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Beirdo:

yeah well, I guess there's more meth production in your area than others?

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justinh:

you all have the right to be shot for allowing that

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Dagmar:

If I don't want to deal with a waiting period, I have to demonstrate I'm really not up to anything suspicious by buying a rifle and a scope.

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justinh:

?!

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Dagmar:

No waiting period for snipers. 3-day wait for people defending their homes.

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Beirdo:

just tell them it's to shoot cars on the interstate.. no problemo

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justinh:

nukes the lot of you

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Dagmar:

go figure.

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justinh:

self preservation.

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Dagmar:

Personally i think they should take the residential address into account.

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directhex|bsp:

no waiting period unless you's one of them negroes in the ghetto?

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Dagmar:

There's a whole lotta Ski-Doos that BRAAAAP up and down the river behind my house during the Spring, particularly when I'm trying to sleep.

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Dagmar:

I would be much more likely to need a rifle and scope to silence those.

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Dagmar:

You can't hit a guy on a ski-do with a pistol at that range

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justinh:

every sunday morning I'm woken up by the annoying whine of 2-stroke motorbikes

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justinh:

how I wish I could just snipe them off

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jduggan_:

heh, same here

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jduggan_:

there's an old ground near me

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jduggan_:

that ppl go to

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jduggan_:

on weekends

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jduggan_:

on those mini motos

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jduggan_:

and quads etc

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justinh:

considered steel wire but it's a big open space

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justinh:

maybe just buy a few hundredweight of nails & spread them all out

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Beirdo:

or you could just invest in a pair of earplugs

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Beirdo:

then it's someone else's problem

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directhex|bsp:

you and your antiantisoacialness, Beirdo!

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

riding motorbikes on public land is a very working class thing to do, apparently

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directhex|bsp:

how about driving a bmw off an airstripp off a cliff?

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Dagmar:

You know what's good for that?

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Dagmar:

100lb test fishing line, run all over the place

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Beirdo:

hmm, my wife just informed me that it's time for me to take more Benedryl

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

BRB

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Dagmar:

Just leave it loose and looped around stuff

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Dagmar:

It'll catch on things and bits

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justinh:

knowing my luck I'd get caught putting it out

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justinh:

actually earplugs would have one other advantage

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directhex|bsp:

they'd be yellow, and yellow rules?

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justinh:

they'd also stop me hearing all the nagging

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justinh:

why can't they ever just ask once & then forget they ever asked?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

dream on, justinh.. dream on

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Beirdo:

I think it's a fine time to try to read another chapter or two of "The Rails Way"

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justinh:

#4607 – mythweb broken in IE. Close it. feature request without a patch

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_ergo_:

hello

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_ergo_:

im back, now.. who wanted me to test that bbc HD stream ? DGnome

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_ergo_:

?

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_ergo_:

ah it was directhex|bsp, i tested the stream on my pc

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justinh:

and?

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_ergo_:

and it was slow as hell in VLC, but then there is an option in it "skip the loop filter for h.264 bla bla" and after i set that it perfectly smooth

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_ergo_:

but it "lost quality" but i dont notice that atm

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justinh:

in linux?

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_ergo_:

in windows

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_ergo_:

but VLC has linux builds too

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justinh:

not sure it counts in windows

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_ergo_:

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ – well they have linux builds and use the same set of codecs

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_ergo_:

so i would guess it should be same performance if not better

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Dibblah:

Ooooh. Multicore x264 decoding gets a UI :)

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_ergo_:

?

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Dibblah:

In current SVN, there's a twiddleable for number of cores now.

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** justinh whistles quietly away **

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Dibblah:

Not for skiploopfilter, though. Which may be required for some.

[15:41:05]

GreyFoxx:

yeah but you have to currently compile myth with --enable-ffmpeg-pthreads or some such

[15:41:12]

GreyFoxx:

that might get changed to be a default on

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, so right now, without patches, svn myth will do threaded h264 decoding?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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Dibblah:

As long as you get configure right.

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_ergo_:

that should double the performance ?

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Dibblah:

No.

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justinh:

40% increase maybe

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Dibblah:

Best case, it's about 180%.

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Dibblah:

Worst case, it's the same as normal.

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Dibblah:

(100% == normal)

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justinh:

does myth even do loopfiltering ?

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Dibblah:

Yes.

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Dibblah:

FFMPEG defaults to on.

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justinh:

and sdtv mpeg2 still looks like shite?

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_ergo_:

cause i wondered if todays chat about european hdtv and CPUs is still valid then

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justinh:

hate to think what it looks like without

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Dibblah:

Eh? This is the h.264 path.

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_ergo_:

justinh : – i have that off all time and everything looks normal in divx land

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Dibblah:

Not mpeg2, where there's no post-processing in the specification.

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justinh:

ah

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Dibblah:

In ffmpeg, that's all done with the pp filter.

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Dibblah:

Which we also don't have :(

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justinh:

might do a test build of trunky mythtv for my core2 mobile chip & see if it'll take on BBC HD then

[15:45:25]

justinh:

since I don't know who to believe

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directhex|bsp:

george bush. he's a fine upstanding moral christian!

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justinh:

starting to realise I really can't trust any information I learn here relating to hardware

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_ergo_:

justinh : , trust me i watch HDrips with no issues on my core2duo 6400 IF i have that loop filter set to off in VLC

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_ergo_:

and that bbc stream ran fine too , but when it was on my pc couldnt pick it up :D

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directhex|bsp:

this system probably counts as de hud. i could give it a punt

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justinh:

_ergo_: HD rips != HDTV

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directhex|bsp:

actually, no sound card in here, that's not a helpful test is it :/

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GreyFoxx:

"de hud" ?

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justinh:

warez downloaded off of piratebay are not to be trusted for benchmarking

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: h & d said together :)

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justinh:

reddy for de hud == hd ready :P

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_ergo_:

justinh: , i used that BBC HD stream, + i had some various HD demos

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_ergo_:

im not talking about torrents etc.

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justinh:

_ergo_: only use actual broadcast clips. you can only trust them

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_ergo_:

well can you point me to some ? apart that that i got earlier

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_ergo_:

?

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_ergo_:

ill be more than happy to share my experience with you

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justinh:

I thought one core of my c2d would cope with h,264 hd just fine – played downloadables just fine but a real clip of broadcast video... oof!

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justinh:

_ergo_: if you can play that bbc hd clip, everything else would be fine – can't vouch for HD disc clips though

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** directhex|bsp gives mplayer svn a punt, to at least check for "your computer is too slow" **

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_ergo_:

justinh: , is there other source that is longer than 5 s ?

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_ergo_:

its skipping "a bit" actually but you have to look for it, i find the picture fluent

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_ergo_:

and that comes from a gamer ;-)

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justinh:

'a bit' == FAILED

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justinh:

has to be 100% fluid. if a 5s long clip skips even a little bit, your hd playback experience may not be very nice

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_ergo_:

hmmm, maybe im seeing thing vlc shows frames dropped == 0

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_ergo_:

brb in 10 mins

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_ergo_:

can i have a link to sth else longer ?

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justinh:

google knows

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_ergo_:

k

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, no "TOO SLOW" message with svn mplayer on here

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_ergo_:

be back after dinner

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directhex|bsp:

hm, not getting it with 1 core either when that's obviously not enough

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: maybe it automagically uses > 1

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justinh:

plz – we get tired of typing optionz – u rock!

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directhex|bsp:

nah, the cpu use graph is a solid block at 50% with 1, it just never goes much above 60% with 2

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justinh:

I'm not arsed so long as it plays

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directhex|bsp:

hm, i'm getting a lot of visual tearing. i suspect that's due to scaling

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directhex|bsp:

damn, my high res screen's in the other office

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** directhex|bsp prods the loopfilter, for kicks **

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clever:

less fullscreen!

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directhex|bsp:

he's right you know, less loopfilter = barely touches cpu

[16:04:22]

directhex|bsp:

44% of one core to play the kill bill sample

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justinh:

150% in mythfrontend then :P

[16:05:41]

** justinh suddenly imagines how nice it might be to make mythvideo & mythmusic upnp aware **

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justinh:

and then wonders how hard it would be. and then forgets all about it

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, it would be wubberly, and you should write a patch to do it!

[16:07:25]

justinh:

might not even be as hard as I think

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directhex|bsp:

daap and upnp, for music

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: It'd be nice if mythvideo's browser was "live" and upnp capable

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justinh:

be nicer if the internal player could do music and visualisations – then we could just have one internal player & mix up mythmusic, mythvideo & playlist it all up to the hilt

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quicksilver:

that's true

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quicksilver:

especially since the internal player can already do music, in a sense.

[16:09:33]

quicksilver:

it's not really a big leap.

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justinh:

visuals prolly are

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quicksilver:

I don't care so much about visuals to be honest

[16:09:58]

quicksilver:

nice-to-have, sure

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quicksilver:

but not as exciting as just getting stuff integrated

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clever:

i dont think mythmusic will even build without a few -dev packages for the visualizations

[16:10:46]

clever:

if it was merged into the frontend it would mean more packages for a fe without plugins

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: I've never used the dvb radio stuff. Is there general a blank via screen? Something we could use visualizations on >?

[16:11:29]

justinh:

GreyFoxx: last I heard you couldn't 'mythtv foo.mp3'

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directhex|bsp:

GreyFoxx, blank screen or MHEG, depending on what's enabled

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quicksilver:

DVB radio on my myth box has always been blank screen.

[16:12:16]

GreyFoxx:

My wife wants to start using some of the dvb radio stations we have available and I was curious if I can make it show some of the mythmusic visualizations instead of just a lbank screen

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quicksilver:

DVB radio on my cheapo STB displays the radio compnay's logo

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justinh:

quicksilver: never enabled mheg eh? either that or your recording profile strips it

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directhex|bsp:

quicksilver, enable MHEG on your frontend

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clever:

mheg?

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quicksilver:

maybe I haven't used it since I turned on MHEG :)

[16:12:54]

quicksilver:

I don't use it often, I must admit.

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quicksilver:

mythmusic's visualisations crash my frontend eventually

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quicksilver:

although sometimes not for an hour or two

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justinh:

libvisual is crashy

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iamlindoro:

Major Hickey Experts Group

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DustyBin:

justinh: im going to buy this with the stand, the stand will fit my mythbox perfectly :D http://www.dixons.co.uk/martprd/store/dix_pag . . . &tm=null

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DustyBin:

£169 you cannot go wrong

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directhex|bsp:

i hate all stands like that

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justinh:

ahhh juvvukuh

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quicksilver:

oh, it comes with a TV

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directhex|bsp:

why are so many stands tacky acrylic with no space for devices?

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quicksilver:

I was thinking 169 was a fuck of a lot for just a stand

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directhex|bsp:

i mean, how many devices do you have that are shaped like a D, and go on shelves there?

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DustyBin:

28" crt widescreen + stand

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: you mean no space for standard HTPC depths? :P

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, largely, yes! since htpc depths are similar to proper av receiver depths

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justinh:

no they're not

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justinh:

look at those nasty Evesham things.. they're like 60cm deep ffs

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directhex|bsp:

... justinh, that's a crt stand. it's like 5m deep!

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quicksilver:

I shall buy a new TV when I can get 1080p for under 200 quid.

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justinh:

the shelves aren't though :P

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quicksilver:

I think I might be waiting a while :)

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justinh:

shhh! we non-believers make early adopters feel stupid!

[16:19:27]

quicksilver:

ah yes.

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quicksilver:

let me rephrase that.

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quicksilver:

I think 1500 quid is a great price for 1080p TV

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, given the option of having paid £650 for a 26" tft, or not, i prefer the former option

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quicksilver:

I reckon you would all be fools not to go and buy at least three

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justinh:

I will be buying a HDTV when I have more money than sense!

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directhex|bsp:

quicksilver, £600 is a baseline price for a decent brand 1080p set currently

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** quicksilver will be buying a HDTV when justinh doesn't flame a newbie. **

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justinh:

£600 is £600 I I haven't got

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_ergo_:

k back

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quicksilver:

directhex|bsp: is it? I haven't seen one for under 800.

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quicksilver:

but then I don't look very often.

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justinh:

quicksilver: newbies are fine. newbies who call people names when you suggest they read something, on the other hand. nice fuel

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DustyBin:

1500 quid? ill stick with my £149 thanks :D

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quicksilver:

;)

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directhex|bsp:

quicksilver, http://www.empiredirect.co.uk/content/product . . . ~samsung.htm

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DustyBin:

until UK have HD freeview channels, and HD DVDs have some kind of normality, no HD for me im afraid

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quicksilver:

directhex|bsp: ooh, that is good. I might not have to wait as long as I thought.

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justinh:

DustyBin: you mean blu ray :)

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** DustyBin goes **

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** justinh smacks _ergo_ **

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justinh:

fucking unsolicited PMs

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squidly:

has anyone ever had an issue with ripping dvd's to a nfs share?

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squidly:

it can copy the dvd's down but after it transcodes them the files vanish

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adac2:

would you consider 2 gigs of ram for hdtv?

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GreyFoxx:

adante: Sure, way more than you need but 2 gigs would be fine :)

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adac2:

GreyFoxx: how much would you need for full hd?

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Dagmar:

Half that

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Dagmar:

IF even that much

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adac2:

cool

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squidly:

I use 512 for standard video, with a hardware encoder.

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squidly:

and I konw I could get HD with that ammount of ram too

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Dagmar:

HD playback isn't exactly a memory-intensive operation.

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adac2:

so it depends heavily on the tv card?

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adac2:

hardware encoding

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iamlindoro:

No, no HD cards do any sort of encoding

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iamlindoro:

It's processor intensive.

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Dagmar:

nullboy: Ya might just try putting KERNEL="ath?", NAME="ath0" in there.

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iamlindoro:

and that's playback, not recording

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squidly:

adac2: for mine yes. But that is because I grab the video and transcode it

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adac2:

squidly: you transcode into what and why?

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squidly:

from mpeg2 to mpeg4 to save space and rip out comercials from my tv stream

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adac2:

squidly: and if you are live watching?

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squidly:

adac2: I wait 15–20 minutes for the time laps to be avaliable

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squidly:

or I just say hell with it and go and play a computer game ;)

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iamlindoro:

adac2, keep in mind he is talking about *SD*

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squidly:

correct

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adac2:

squidly: oh i see :)

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adac2:

SD means?

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iamlindoro:

Standard Definition

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squidly:

hd would increase my the load on my server but a factor of 10

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squidly:

normal tv.

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squidly:

I dont have any HD encoders (yet)

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adac2:

squidly: how is you system build? you have a server somewhere and a mediastation on your tv which connects to the server?

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squidly:

adac2: kind of. My server is backend with a pvr-150, and it stremas out to 3 different front ends.

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squidly:

my desktop. my laptop and another diskless front end

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adac2:

squidly: cool! sowould you be able to watch 3 different tv stations live with that kind of system?

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squidly:

adac2: no I can watch 1 live tv at a time

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adac2:

squidly: or do you use it just or more for streaming?

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adac2:

ok i see

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adac2:

otherwise you would need 3 tv cards i guess

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squidly:

I do a lot smore streaming then I do anything else

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squidly:

correct

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adac2:

squidly: if you would have 3 cards inside. would the power of the system allow you to watch 3 tv stations?

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squidly:

yes. The hardware encoders take most of the load off of my system

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adac2:

squidly: this is valid only for non hd streams i guess

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squidly:

adac2: correct. Though some HD cards do take the load off the box as well

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squidly:

I have not used a HD card (yet)

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iamlindoro:

adac2, HD streams are *easy* to record... there is no recording necessary

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squidly:

I'm gonig to borrow one from my boss and play with it

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iamlindoro:

adac2, if anything, HD is simpler to record than analog, since you don't need to do any encoding whatsoever on it

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adac2:

squidly: lol :) yeah but it defenitley eould make sense if the card did most of the calculation

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adac2:

iamlindoro_: yes?

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squidly:

adac2: it does. now the transcodeing after the fact does load down the box a bit. but then all transcodeing does

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iamlindoro:

adac2, HD signals are encoded at the television provider... an HD tuner simply tunes the mpeg or h.264 stream and dumps it to disk... no hardware encoding necessary

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adac2:

iamlindoro: i see

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adac2:

iamlindoro: and when you wnat to watch it?

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adac2:

*want

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iamlindoro:

adac2, frontends take more horsepower... HD recording is easy, playback is hard(er).

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adac2:

squidly: one more question: you said you are able to play live on 1 front end, yes?

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adac2:

iamlindoro: so what would you consider for a front end...I mean which hardware for hd?

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squidly:

adac2: correct

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iamlindoro:

adac2, since you are in Europe and things are tending towards h.264 there for DVB, I would get decent Core 2 Duo systems (if you intend to tune and playback 1080 programs)... an E4500 should work nicely

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adac2:

squidly: this sounds really nice...i wanna install me such a system too, but just first want to get some information

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squidly:

adac2: good idea

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adac2:

iamlindoro_: so do I understand this thing right: the tv tuners (cards) rest in the back end (server) and the front end is build of a mainbord, processor, ram, graficcard?

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iamlindoro:

adac2, The frontend and backend can be the same machine, given sufficient hardware, or they can be two seperate machines, in which (for HD playback) the frontend requires more power.

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adac2:

iamlindoro_: when i want to have two seperate machines...which parts of hardware are needed for the frontend? I guess the tv card rests on the server back end and the front end can be a "normal" computer with network card and without tv card?

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iamlindoro:

adac2, that's correct

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adac2:

iamlindoro: ok It is clear now :D

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iamlindoro:

;)

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adac2:

you guys helped me a lot

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adac2:

:)

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adac2:

iamlindoro_: thx for your patience!

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iamlindoro:

no patience needed, no problem

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adac2:

squidly: thank you too!

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squidly:

adac2: :D

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squidly:

glad to help

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GreyFoxx:

Anyone here using a core2 duo that can tell me their average cpu temp when idle ?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, about 40C on a stock-cooled e4500, about 45 on a Q6600

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GreyFoxx:

We're just putting together a machine and it's saying in the bios 95C :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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iamlindoro:

That said, my idle isn't exactly the most idle in the world

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GreyFoxx:

I knew that was a little insane :)

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iamlindoro:

yikes

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GreyFoxx:

the machine had turned itself off during a memtest

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GreyFoxx:

hence my checking the temp

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iamlindoro:

yeah, that's awful high... I think they alarm at 100

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emory:

Gotta question, how can I get MythTV working with a Digital Set-Top box?

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bradd:

have channel icons stopped working in recent versions of mythweb?

[17:58:42]

xris:

nope

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bradd:

hmm

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bradd:

wtf

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bradd:

show channel icons is checked...and the icons dir exists and is fully populated

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bradd:

i also noticed that at the bottom of the upcoming recordings page...there are multiple mouseover pop-up windows that never go away(goes away with the grey theme..only see this in default theme)

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npurciful:

its a bug

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bradd:

the pop-up thing?

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npurciful:

yeah, it is part of this bug i beleave http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4595

[18:07:14]

bradd:

cool thanks

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bradd:

hmmm..channel icons in mythweb work with a previous version that doesnt have the "Show the channel icons" checkbox under mythweb defaults tab

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xris:

what version of mythweb are you using?

[18:22:43]

bradd:

working or non-working?

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bradd:

non-working i checked out this morning

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cva:

any ideas why one frontend doesn't see any captions while running the frontend on the backend works fine?

[18:25:42]

fesha:

Does anyone have MythTV and Fiber optic TV? I am having trouble with how to get Myth Tv to work with the set top box

[18:26:56]

iamlindoro:

fesha, unless it has firewire out, it's going to be just like any other set top box... analog out and an IR blaster to control it

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emory:

are there any DUAL DTV Tuners in existence?

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emory:

preferably PCI

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iamlindoro:

emory, Looks like you are in the US, the HDHomeRun.

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iamlindoro:

Assuming you mean DTV= Digital Television and not DirectTV

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bradd:

xris..and the working rev i believe is 15775

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emory:

yes Digital TV

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iamlindoro:

Then the HDHomeRun

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xris:

bradd: pet peeve of mine, but when someone just gives me a revision number, I take it to mean the 0.19 branch.

[18:29:02]

xris:

so I recommend that you upgrade

[18:29:07]

bradd:

trunk

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npurciful:

i be back in a little bit going to dump my db and test this bug somemore #4605

[18:29:39]

xris:

wow, kormoc was busy last night.

[18:29:45]

xris:

bradd: any chance you can update to the latest rev?

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bradd:

i believe i am running the latest rev..but let me update my tree

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xris:

bradd: ok, confirmed on my end, too. looks like kormoc broke something with his recent changes

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bradd:

okay

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bradd:

just making sure it wasnt just me :)

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bradd:

i saw he committed alot of changes last night

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squidly:

i have 2 jobs in the queue that are stuck. how can I kill them?

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squidly:

nm I got thenk

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xris:

for whoever was asking about mythweb channel icons earlier.. bug has been fixed.

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bradd:

saw the email

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bradd:

will test now thanks

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xris:

helps to have a private line to kormoc.. and that he was awake. :)

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bradd:

confirmed fixed..thanks

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cal_:

anyone use an lcd with mythtv? i started getting these messages. Feb 7 11:56:38 mythtv LCDd: output states changed Feb 7 11:57:18 mythtv last message repeated 6 times

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yalu:

hi. I am still in the process of setting up mythtv. I have a dvb card plus trouble scanning channels. it works perfectly on my desktop computer with kaffeine but not on my mythbox. Also, for some reason there's a list of countries but there are only six countries in it (I'm belgian). does that even matter if you do a full scan? (which only gives me messages "timeout scanning – no signal" and "timeout scanning offset 1 – no signal")

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cal_:

erm

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cal_:

who did the screenshots on mythtv.org?

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npurciful:

got a question i am starting over mythconverg db but i want to keep my show recording information so i copy 'data' form record* to new db is there anything else?

[21:17:04]

RediXe:

Trying to burn a DVD of a previously recorded show and I am only getting a small portion of it to actually burn. There are no errors, it just does its thing and says complete but of an hour of recording i only ended up with a 9.5min dvd. Any suggestion or idea's on why this might be happening?

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iamlindoro:

npurciful, 23.5–23.7: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.5

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iamlindoro:

RediXe, only your logs can tell you why it is failing

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RediXe:

Yeah I went into the temp/work/dvd/VIDEO_TS and most files are really small besides one that is 319.3 MB ... Where can I find these log files if you happen to know off the top of your head :)

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Mikeee:

Has anybody tried using bitrates like 6400/8000 with a Hauppauge PVR-USB2? My device seems to hang when doing that. Lower bitrates work just fine.

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iamlindoro:

depends entirely on your distro

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iamlindoro:

/var/log/mythtv-ish

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iamlindoro:

You may only be logging backend, however, so to get frontend logs you may need to run the frontend from the command prompt

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RediXe:

lol, sorry forgot I was in just mythtv chat :) .. using Mythdora ... kk will see if I can find

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iamlindoro:

Mikeee, PVR-USB2's maximum bitrate is 12Mbit, but setting your bitrate above 6000 is just a waste of bits

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iamlindoro:

at NTSC resolutions, that is

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RediXe:

I am only logging backend like you stated, so running the command 'mythfrontend'will cause it to log?

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iamlindoro:

it will cause it to spew its output to the terminal

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iamlindoro:

Which you can then look over

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Mikeee:

I'm a PAL user. I wanted to try 8000 just to see if it helped, but... well..

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RediXe:

lol sounds like fun :)

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iamlindoro:

or you can just pipe it into a file

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iamlindoro:

Mikeee, same with PAL

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RediXe:

Yeah, i was going to pipe it :)

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Mikeee:

iamlindoro: sure, as I said, just wanted to see if there was any noticable difference at all, but it didn't really work out very well

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iamlindoro:

Mikeee, Yup. But just telling you it wouldn't have helped.

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Mikeee:

thx ;)

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tbr281:

question: I start up mythtv and go to "watch tv" and it tells me that mythtv is using all available inputs and if i just want to watch live tv i have to cancel one of the in-progress recordings, but i'm not recording anything. How do i fix this?

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Mikeee:

btw, are there any best-known-methods or tuning guides for the combo MythTV+PAL+Hauppauge PVR-USB2 (or subsets thereof) anywhere?

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iamlindoro:

Mikeee, Not really... Not much to set besides resolution and bitrate. And visual improvement completely plateuas at about 6 Mbit

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iamlindoro:

er plateaus

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iamlindoro:

Just make sure you are capturing at native resolution and not 480x480

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iamlindoro:

Which used to be the myth default

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Mikeee:

iamlindoro: I'm guessing 720x576 is ok for me (PAL-G here in Sweden I believe)

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iamlindoro:

yup, that's perfect

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Mikeee:

cool. thanks

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iamlindoro:

no problem

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Mikeee:

took some time to get everything up running, but now I think I have most of it in place

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iamlindoro:

Analog capture is just sort of stinky in general

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Mikeee:

just waiting for NVidia to bug-fix the stupid driver

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iamlindoro:

You should check into DVB-T or S for your area when you have the means

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iamlindoro:

Mikeee, driver works perfectly, just update to the newest

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Mikeee:

it's DVB-C here in my apartment – coded of course – so I'm hesitating to go down that route

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iamlindoro:

Don't wait for your package manager to get around to it-- nVidia fixed the driver in December

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Mikeee:

the latest driver is the worst one for my combo of card right now

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iamlindoro:

Mikeee, as long as you can get a linux-compatible CAM/CI, it should be fine, but up to you

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iamlindoro:

Mikeee, what's the lates driver you've tried, and on which card?

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iamlindoro:

er latest

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Mikeee:

169.09 (x86_64). it's a 8600GS

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iamlindoro:

What problems are you having with it? It works perfectly here.

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Mikeee:

it isn't even able to get my TV-out working

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iamlindoro:

It's unlikely that's the driver's fault

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Mikeee:

I believe they've opened up a bug internally

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Mikeee:

hold on

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iamlindoro:

more likely problems with your xorg.conf

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iamlindoro:

ah, well I could be wrong, of course

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Mikeee:

I think it's this one: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.ph . . . #post1506423

[21:45:25]

iamlindoro:

Hmm, funny that I hadn't heard that yet... ah well, you could always upgrade your TV and use a proper digital out :)

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Mikeee:

believe me, I _am_ considering doing just that

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Mikeee:

:D

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Mikeee:

it's time to throw that old CRT out the window anyways ;)

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iamlindoro:

That, plus a nice DVB-C card with CI.... Mmmmm, it would be beautiful

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iamlindoro:

It's very hard to stomach analog tuning or SD television once you've lived with Digital tuning and HD channels for a while

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Mikeee:

I did make sure the hardware would be able to handle it, so the 8600GS is only for the analogue output *doh*

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iamlindoro:

So if you want to save money, *don't* look!!

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Mikeee:

I bet

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Mikeee:

I also have a dish, so I need to get myself a DVB-S2 card as well. any ideas?

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iamlindoro:

All the DVB-S2 drivers in linux so far are experimental... They are hard at work on them, though

[21:49:56]

iamlindoro:

You *can* download experimental drivers, though

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iamlindoro:

#linuxtv would probably be the place to find out which are best supported so far, though

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Mikeee:

great. I'll make sure to hear what they have to say. thanks a lot for your help!

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iamlindoro:

no problem

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emory:

I just installed a new tuner in my Myth box, whats the best way to verify the drivers are loaded?

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emory:

I want to make sure its a problem with Myth Configuration before I start playing with modprobe and stuff...

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iamlindoro:

with dmesg, most likely

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iamlindoro:

that doesn't mean that the *correct* drivers are loaded, but it will give you more information than crossing your fingers

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emory:

yeah I open LiveTV and its just a black screen... I can't change channels nothing

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iamlindoro:

you should be looking at the logs for information about this...

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zachman123:

why does mythweb list shows under possible conflicts when they only touch, not overlap?

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xris:

zachman123: hence "possible conflicts" not "actual conflicts"

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xris:

pre/post record, shows running long, etc.

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fryfrog:

zachman123: maybe you have a pre/post recording extension?

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zachman123:

nope

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fryfrog:

i ask mine to try and catch like 2 min early and 3 min late or something

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xris:

fryfrog: I think it just pulls based on time.

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zachman123:

yeah, I mean it all makes sense to me

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xris:

like if you were looking at a show *intending* to add a few extra minutes, you'd want to know what other recordings you might conflict with.

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fryfrog:

oh, maybe i am thinking of the wrong thing

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xris:

all I know is that it does what I intended. I make no claim to remember *why* I made it do things.

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fryfrog:

are you talking about when you look at *one* show?

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zachman123:

when you pull up a show that you're considering recording

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fryfrog:

and it is saying "hey, these shows might be recording at the same time?"

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zachman123:

i.e. from listings

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fryfrog:

ah

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zachman123:

yeah

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zachman123:

I'd prefer to see clearly if anything is ACTUALLY going to cause a conflict

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fryfrog:

zachman123: my understanding of that is that it is showing you that episode 110 is playing at that time... but *maybe* it also plays at another time, so myth could juggle things and record both?

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xris:

zachman123: no way to do that because it will depend on what settings you put into the recording options.

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zachman123:

ah, yes

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xris:

if you look at a show and then set it to record an extra 2 minutes before you create the schedule, you'd want to know what the potential conflicts are.

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zachman123:

yeah, that makes sense

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zachman123:

I just don't use pre/post record so I didn't think of that

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xris:

you'll see actual conflicts once you create the schedule

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xris:

not just pre/post, but start early/end late as well

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fryfrog:

also, if you give it a high or low priority might change things

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zachman123:

yeah

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xris:

too many options, so I err on the side of providing extra info that a few people might not need

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javatexan:

hey guys...I am having trouble getting a new FE to connect to existing BE....Its almost like the port is not open to the 'public', just on localhost. Anyone have that before?

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javatexan:

sorry the new FE is on another machine

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javatexan:

I changed the hosts file to add: realip \t name....I think I read that should fix it

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javatexan:

but alas, no....still housenfloggend

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zabadapp:

what is the "pretty" script called that turn 23427340293840.mpg into Simpsons – episode 3.mpg softlinks?

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directhex:

mythrename.pl

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zabadapp:

thanks

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emory:

LiveTV launches with a blank screen, and absolutely 0 errors in the logs. This is with a new DVB capture card.... any ideas at all?

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npurciful:

is the channel down

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iamlindoro_:

emory: Then you should turn up the verbosity on your logs

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iamlindoro_:

And not all problem lines contain the word "Error"

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Eko:

Hello all.

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iamlindoro_:

in particular, anyone here will need information from "Changing from None to WatchingTV" to the point where it says "Changing from WatchingTV to None" on -v all or -v most verbosity

[23:02:52]

Eko:

I've got a question about performance:

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Eko:

When watching live TV or recordings inside mythfrontend, high-def material is very skippy

[23:03:29]

Eko:

but when watching the same recording in mplayer or VLC, it is fine.

[23:03:29]

iamlindoro_:

because asking your question as it currently is is akin to asking "My uncle just died. Anyone have any idea what the cause was? He stopped breathing."

[23:04:12]

emory:

you guys want a paste-bin?

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iamlindoro_:

preferably...

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Eko:

I have mythtv compiled with xvmc enabled, but I haven't figured out how to ensure that it's being used to output the video.

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Eko:

Can anyone tell me how to check how it is being outputted? Also, I've tried to find a website online or FAQ or something about performance, but to no avail. If someone has one to share, that'd also be wonderful.

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npurciful:

progress bar should be grayscale, and it should be in your log

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iamlindoro_:

emory: We will need back and frontend logs on those verbosity levels, btw

[23:05:56]

iamlindoro_:

npurciful: progress bar is *not* greyscale with all XvMc

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npurciful:

ah okay learned something new

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iamlindoro_:

That's only with one particular series of cards

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npurciful:

let me guess 7000 series

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npurciful:

nvidias

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Eko:

No ideas on improving the video output from frontend?

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emory:

frontend is : http://paste-bin.com/13049

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iamlindoro_:

Eko: What version of myth are you running?

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iamlindoro_:

On .20.2, you should be changing interlacing values and potentially changing renderers (and your /etc/X11/XvMCConfig file should point at the correct nvidia library) to increase performance

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iamlindoro_:

In SVN, you should be modifying your playback profiles

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directhex:

never use xvmc if you can avoid it

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iamlindoro_:

to do the same, remove deint or reduce to an easier one, remove any and all filters, and use different renderers

[23:10:02]

iamlindoro_:

indeed... unless you have a very low end system, you probably shouldn't be using XvMc

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iamlindoro_:

and of course, if you're using nvidia, you should have up-to-date binary drivers installed, etc., etc.

[23:11:03]

Eko:

I've tried everything I could (xvmc was the last ditch effort) to help, but nothing... the weird part is that it plays fine for a second after seeking and then goes back to skipping.

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[23:11:15]

Eko:

the protocol version is 39, let me check the version itself.

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iamlindoro_:

Eko: Tough to tell why without any log output

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emory:

ok

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emory:

frontend is : http://paste-bin.com/13049

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iamlindoro_:

if it's 39, it's SVN

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emory:

backend is : http://paste-bin.com/13050

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iamlindoro_:

Eko: Have you turned *off* deinterlacing?

[23:12:11]

Eko:

iamlindoro, let me try that... it's been awhile, and I've changed from a bad video source (OTA) to a good one (cable) since then.

[23:12:40]

Eko:

(incidentally: media-tv/mythtv-0.21_pre15718 is the ebuild I'm using)

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iamlindoro_:

emory: You said you were using a DVB source? What kind of DVB?

[23:13:57]

iamlindoro_:

And what are you trying to tune with it?

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emory:

its some AverTV card I picked up today and the myth-wiki says to use DVB DTV capture Card (V3.x)

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iamlindoro_:

So not actual DVB, ATSC

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iamlindoro_:

with what signal source?

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emory:

you'll have to excuse me I'm not exactly an expert on MythTV backend fun type things...

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iamlindoro_:

OTA, Cable, etc...

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emory:

cable

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emory:

us-cable

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iamlindoro_:

*whose* cable?

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iamlindoro_:

How did the channel scan go?

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emory:

Verizon FiOS ?

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emory:

um... I haven't gotten there

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emory:

It always screws up my listings

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iamlindoro_:

so how do you expect TV to work if you haven't scanned channels?

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emory:

so I've always let it use Schedules Direct

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iamlindoro_:

answer: it doesn't

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iamlindoro_:

secondly, Verizon FIOS doesn't output an ATSC signal, so you're SOL

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Eko:

er, where are the deinterlacing settings? Either I'm blind, or they aren't in Playback settings...

[23:17:43]

emory:

Well would you have any recommendations as to a good Video Card I could use with Myth?

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iamlindoro_:

emory: You will only be able to use an analog, SD card with that service

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iamlindoro_:

eg, a PVR-150

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emory:

doesn't work

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iamlindoro_:

Eko, Playback setings page 3, Playback Profiles

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emory:

I had a PVR 500

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iamlindoro_:

emory: Then you were setting it up wrong

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iamlindoro_:

or had a bum card

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emory:

it worked with Comcast

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emory:

until they setup FiOS

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iamlindoro_:

Were you trying to use the tuner, or out of the FIOS box?

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emory:

use the tuner. Plugged it directly into the wall and only got static

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iamlindoro_:

That's your problem

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emory:

I'm not really sure what your getting at?

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iamlindoro_:

With FIOS you would need to use their STB and output from that to the PVR

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emory:

the only thing I can do that way is use an IR-Blaster

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iamlindoro_:

correct

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emory:

and then I lose my dual-tuner support

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iamlindoro_:

and that's the only way you will get signal into myth with FIOS

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iamlindoro_:

emory: Yep, you would need two boxes, and to use the expansion bracket for two S-videos, etc.

[23:21:47]

iamlindoro_:

But that's it, that's all you'll be able to do to get it in to myth from Verizon FIOS

[23:21:51]

iamlindoro_:

it stinks, but it's the way it is

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gbee:

could anyone running knoppmyth (unmodified install) pastebin the output of mythfrontend --version for me?

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whodat:

gbee: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )

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whodat:

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whodat:

<iamlindoro_> answer: it doesn't

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whodat:

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whodat:

#mythtv-users

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iamlindoro_:

oooook

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directhex:

fluddy!

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Eko:

okay, so turning off deinterlacing doesn't do anything for playback of a recorded show, I'm going to make the (possibly wrong assumption) that it won't do anything for an over the wire one either.

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iamlindoro_:

Eko: You may also want to try the opengl video renderer instead of xv-blit

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Eko:

I'm seeing a message that I don't know if I've seen/noticed before on the output... "Buffer Underrun"

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Eko:

yeah, I was about to ask if that might help

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Eko:

same issue, same "WriteAudio: Buffer Underrun"

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Eko:

=O enabling the extra audio buffering on the first page fixed it. I don't think that worked last time I tried it, but lots has changed since then. W00t. Thanks, guys.

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npurciful:

hum, i dont think that mythweb nows how to handle storage group for playback w/flv player

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xris:

npurciful: it does if they're accessible locally

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xris:

or rather, it should

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npurciful:

hum they are local

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xris:

all myth recordings live in storage groups, so it'd be hard for the flv player to work at all if it didn't

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npurciful:

ah there it goes

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npurciful:

it is working

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mzb:

is anyone aware of a mobo (pref AM2|AM2+) that has nvidia graphics integrated _AND_ TV out?? (S-Video)

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npurciful:

well i need to update a trac ticket

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AndyCap:

mzb: http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopi . . . 7c6306240876 But isn't S-video getting a little old?

[23:44:31]

mzb:

yes, but I need a flexible box+mobo (jic)

[23:44:36]

mzb:

making a few

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mzb:

and want to stick with single mobo (if possible)

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AndyCap:

well. this from the thread above should fit? http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=18 . . . facture=ASUS

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doobeh:

On the recorded programs screen, what does the little roll of toilet paper signify? :)

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iamlindoro_:

press f1

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iamlindoro_:

and find out ;)

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doobeh:

ta :)

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doobeh:

good icon :)

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iamlindoro_:

Those differ by theme, that's why it's easier to press f1

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mzb:

AndyCap: thank you ... just digesting thread now

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doobeh:

well, I'm down to only one puzzle with myth-tv, why when I exit viewing a recording, the entire front-end closes

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gbee:

doobeh: funny you should ask that, we were just laughing at the choice of icon, few people use G.A.N.T anymore so we hadn't really noticed it

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mzb:

(I'd probably prefer Asus to Abit)

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gbee:

I've been pretty happy with my Abit boards, though I've had a couple of Asus board in my time

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mzb:

I've got two Abit boards (inc. 3rd eye), but for customers I'd probably prefer less features from a maintenance point of view

[23:51:58]

mzb:

(s754 and s939)

[23:52:34]

mzb:

(Abit seem to put funny sensor chip doodads on, etc)

[23:52:48]

mzb:

ie. guru sensors

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mzb:

not so much of a problem now (re: guru) ... but could be an issue with new stuff where I'd prefer >99% Linux support

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gbee:

guru didn't work for me under linux originally (well there was a third party app, but no kernel support), but that was never a big issue, how many often do you really need to know temps/fan speeds etc once the machine is up and running?

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gbee:

I've an Abit board with the iGuru stuff on it in my main backend, haven't needed to check voltage/fan speed/temps on it once in the last two years

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