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Wednesday, February 6th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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directhex:

sinthetek, so ebuilds have no quality control?

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directhex:

advantageous!

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sinthetek:

direct: of course they do, that's what the masking is for

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sinthetek:

but it's easily/temporarily bypassible

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sinthetek:

ebuilds are just python scripts that dictate where to download a package possible/available configure options etc

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sinthetek:

when you update portage it deletes modified/invalid ones

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directhex:

see, the thing is, in the real world, you don't run gentoo. hell, you don't even run debian. you run what your vendor will support, because you don't have the time to fuck about with being a distro maintainer, when there's work to be done

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directhex:

when support from your vendor isn't an issue, you run debian, because you Don't Fuck With A Running System, and neither do they

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sinthetek:

i dunno about debuild, but i thought debs required manually downloading the package, compiling it by hand and then somehow compressing it with .deb rules to dictate how files are installed

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sinthetek:

it isn't just mv whatever1.deb whatever2.deb && dpkg -i whatever2.deb, all of the compiled install files are included in the .deb

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bagpuss_thecat:

directhex: amen

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sinthetek:

directhex: that's why i keep a few other boxes lying around as well

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sinthetek:

but it's rare that i want/need to use them

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directhex:

bagpuss_thecat, you think i'd have 300-odd suse machines to administer if it wasn't what the vendors stuck on there?

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bagpuss_thecat:

but SuSE is lovely!

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** bagpuss_thecat is forced to run SuSE due to his NHS board being a Novell shop **

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bagpuss_thecat:

but frankly, all distros suck donkey balls

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directhex:

i can almost stomach the sles10, other than the stupid arbitrary lack of packages found in sled10. but two 128 node clusters of opensuse 10.1? urgh!

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bagpuss_thecat:

if I had my way, and an endless supply of money, I'd be wasting my intarweb hours on Ubuntu, spending My Time(tm) working on my cars, and generally staying the fuck away from anything that isn't Debian based

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bagpuss_thecat:

10.1 is... ok

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directhex:

10.1 didn't even have a working updater when it shipped! or compliant dvd images!

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bagpuss_thecat:

nothing fab, but better than a poke in the eye with a burnt copy of 9.3

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bagpuss_thecat:

s/10.1/sles10.1/

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bagpuss_thecat:

I haven't touched OpenSuse for good reason

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bagpuss_thecat:

and Gentoo

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meshugga:

can i use vlc to watch via an mythtv backend?

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bagpuss_thecat:

CentOS is barely liveable-with

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directhex:

meshugga, not live tv, no

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directhex:

bagpuss_thecat, i don't see why it exists. people use RHEL because of corp support, not because it's any good. centos is RHEL minus support

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justinh:

I've yet to meet a centos user who isn't a smug ****, but then I move in all the wrong circles

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bagpuss_thecat:

I use CentOS to test crap that really should be running on RHEL

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directhex:

justinh, i admin bigger boxes than most people in this channel have ever seen, and if it were up to me, it'd all be debian-based

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bagpuss_thecat:

when/if the aforementioned Crap gets the go-ahead, and can only run on RHEL, then RHEL gets bought

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directhex:

justinh, managers run rhel/sles, administrators run debian

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meshugga:

ok, how to decrease volume in myth w/o affecting other audio?

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directhex:

good question. does myth use its own mixer for that?

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justinh:

meshugga: you mean your frontend doesn't steal the audio playback device?!

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bagpuss_thecat:

annoyingly, since turning on -v all,nodatabase on both my Debian backends, they've never failed once

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directhex:

justinh, hasn't been a problem for anyone using alsa for years

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meshugga:

justinh: no, it doesnt, it just adjusts the volume for all applications

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bagpuss_thecat:

maybe Gentoo will save me

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justinh:

myth doesn't/can't do software mixing

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directhex:

bagpuss_thecat, set the CRASH_PLEASE flag in make.conf

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meshugga:

but i want myth w/o sound and vlc with sound, so i can have cnn running while watching video :)

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bagpuss_thecat:

lol

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** bagpuss_thecat scratches another tally onto the Stab Marillat scoreboard **

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Miranda_:

bagpuss_thecat, don't coun tit :)

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fedorared:

meshugga: PulseAudio has per application volumes

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directhex:

justinh, pretty sure alsa covered the final furlong on that front ages ago

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bagpuss_thecat:

fnar, Pulse

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bagpuss_thecat:

want to make it work

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directhex:

just when linux starts having a coherent, functional, daemon-free sound architecture, pulse appears! woo!

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bagpuss_thecat:

\o/

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bagpuss_thecat:

it'll be a passing fad

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directhex:

like gentoo? i hear all the cool kids use arch now

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bagpuss_thecat:

arf

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justinh:

it's pronounced argh

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bagpuss_thecat:

let's all compile up dnotify for old times sake

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bagpuss_thecat:

give it a funky new name and see how many it snares

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directhex:

emerge dpkg

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** sinthetek rolls his eyes **

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bagpuss_thecat:

alias emerge='wget http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/am . . . netinst.iso'

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sinthetek:

fascism_destroy();

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bagpuss_thecat:

you're free to run it if you like

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bagpuss_thecat:

just put up with the slagging

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bagpuss_thecat:

LFS exists for a reason :-)

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sinthetek:

as does gentoo

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bagpuss_thecat:

and Lunar Linux got there long before Gentoo

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bagpuss_thecat:

Sourcemage

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bagpuss_thecat:

etc

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directhex:

sourceror?

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sinthetek:

awesome?

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bagpuss_thecat:

aah, Sourcemage and Sorcerer

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bagpuss_thecat:

they were the days

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directhex:

sod this, how about we all switch to yggdrasil?

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** squidly sudo cat /dev/null > /dev/distor_wars **

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sinthetek:

tru dat

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bagpuss_thecat:

directhex: \o/

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squidly:

they all have different purposes

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bagpuss_thecat:

except Gentoo

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** bagpuss_thecat sneers :-p **

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directhex:

i lie. i didn't get itno linux until a few years ago. linux was a steaming pile of smellypoop compared to beos

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sinthetek:

why i left #linuxhelp on undernet... anyone joined mentioning gentoo or slackware and they were insta-flamed

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squidly:

bagpuss_thecat: actually I like how I can customize gentoo

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sinthetek:

even with the most generic, distro-independent questions

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sinthetek:

i hung in there for years primarily to support those users but left before too long

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directhex:

GreyFoxx runs slackware, but we don't flame him because he's a sexpot

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plb_:

I run mythfilldatabase from a file and it worked fine last week but this week my program guide says unknown for everything even though my file is updated

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directhex:

plb_, is your xmltv grabber okay? has the data source changed?

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plb_:

nope

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sinthetek:

i see and use advantages in both source and binary distros. i do not see the point in antagonizing/ridiculing who can/could benefit

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plb_:

mythfilldatabase --update --file 1 -1 xmltv.xml

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plb_:

is how I filled it last week

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plb_:

worked fine

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plb_:

er

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plb_:

mythfilldatabase --file 1 -1 xmltv.xml

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plb_:

rather

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directhex:

sinthetek, gentoo provides fine-grained control that almost all its users simply cannot cope with. without a deep understanding of the interdependancies of the thousands of packages you're likely to want on a modern desktop system, aberrations can emerge, and at best you end up summoning incantations, USE flags and the like you simply don't understand. very few people who run the distro should do, and would learn better at a more

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directhex:

pleasant pace by starting top-down with an easier distribution then learning to hack it

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Miranda_:

WOOT!

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Miranda_:

iamlindoro_, got it working with mplayer!

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directhex:

yay, mplayer!

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justinh:

grrr another fecking freeview channel shuffle!

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directhex:

justinh, you're kidding :|

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directhex:

justinh, what now?

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justinh:

CITV but I'd not be surprised if there are more

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Miranda_:

gah, but mythtv is fricking borked

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justinh:

so we get more itv4 hours apparently

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Miranda_:

why can mplayer use my pvr-150, but mythtv can't?

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justinh:

Miranda_: because you set the incorrect type of tuner in mythtv-setup?

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Miranda_:

justinh, triplechecked it, it's set to mpeg2 and autodetected the PVR-150

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justinh:

maybe you set it to mpeg2 encoding tuner, maybe you assumed the default would be fine

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Miranda_:

let me quadruplecheck it, just for sure

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code-r:

for ATSC do i use DVB DRV capture?

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justinh:

Miranda_: no use that being set if it changes since the backend was started ;)

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directhex:

code-r, yes

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Miranda_:

justinh, I didn't understand taht statement, can you dumb it down a notch for me?

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doobeh:

you need to restart the backend after any changes to the backend

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justinh:

s/changes/changed

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Miranda_:

doobeh, I shut down the backend every time I go into mythtv-setup

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justinh:

Miranda_: we have to check these things. can't go assuming people know stuff ;)

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Miranda_:

justinh, I understand completely :)

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doobeh:

I'd restart it, just to be sure-- I've noticed mine sometimes doesn't shut it down when I enter the backend setup, even though it says it did

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justinh:

Miranda_: is it plugged in? :D

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Miranda_:

doobeh, okay

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justinh:

</joke>

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doobeh:

worth a check, just run /etc/init.d/mythtvbackend restart

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Miranda_:

okay

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directhex:

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSEIC16848020080201

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doobeh:

sorry, mythtv-backend

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Miranda_:

"Card type:" MPEG-2 encoder card (pvr-x50, PVR-500)

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Miranda_:

probed info: hauppauge WinTV PVR-150 [ivtv]

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Miranda_:

Default input: Tuner 1

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Miranda_:

All that looks correct to me

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Miranda_:

my video source is called "analogcable"

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Miranda_:

set to use schedulesdirect.org

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Miranda_:

retrieving lineups

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Miranda_:

and it pulls my zip and lineup profile off the site

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Miranda_:

channel frequency table – "us-cable"

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Miranda_:

Input connections are:

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Miranda_:

[ MPEG : /dev/v4l/video0 ] (Tuner 1 ) -> analogcable

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Miranda_:

now WAIT

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Miranda_:

nah nevermind

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Miranda_:

/dev/video0 (what I tested mplayer with) is just a symlink to /dev/v4l/video0

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Miranda_:

doing a full scan for channels, It's adding channels in the background

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plb_:

argh anyone know why my program guide in myth won't update..I'm updating from a file which worked just fine last week

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plb_:

but now it's saying everything is unknown

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doobeh:

does mythfilldatabase say anything odd when you run it?

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plb_:

nope

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code-r:

does myth support fm tuners?

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directhex:

BEDTIMEZ!

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Miranda_:

doobeh, not really

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Miranda_:

doobeh, http://pastebin.org/18374

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plb_:

argh wth is wrong with this thing

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plb_:

worked fine last week and I touched nothing

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sinthetek:

code-r: i don't think so :(

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sinthetek:

i wish

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sinthetek:

so far the only thing i've gotten to work with my pvr150 is ivtv-radio :P

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doobeh:

Miranda_: what actually happens when you try to watch live tv?

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sinthetek:

for some reason all of the gui radio apps i've tried won't emit sound or seem to not read the device properly (don't detect any stations)

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doobeh:

Just static?

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czth_:

i have 2 PVR-150s working just fine

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czth_:

(i got a 350, but it had problems)

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sinthetek:

czth_: what do you use for radio-listening?

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czth_:

oh, not for radio, sorry, just TV

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sinthetek:

i've tried several apps but nothing that i've tried worked except the ivtv-radio command

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sinthetek:

np

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sinthetek:

i was late-responding to: 07:45PM <code-r> does myth support fm tuners?

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doobeh:

Miranda, check your private messages-- I'll go through my pvr150 settings with you

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Miranda_:

doobeh, it says that the device is already in use

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Miranda_:

sorry , had to run next door and fix neighbor's tv

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doobeh:

don't suppose you've got another tv program running? :)

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Miranda_:

doobeh, I wish it was that easy

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Miranda_:

doobeh, is there a simple way to find out?

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doobeh:

probably! (I don't know it though)

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Miranda_:

doobeh, it even does it after a fresh reboot

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code-r:

" Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding

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doobeh:

you tried linking to just /dev/video0 I know it shouldn't make a diff, but etc etc..

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code-r:

any idea what that means

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Miranda_:

doobeh, I havent tried linking to /dev/video0

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Miranda_:

doobeh, the setup program seems to autodetect device settings

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doobeh:

give it a go, just to rule it out-- I never trust those sneaky computers

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Miranda_:

doobeh, okay, sec

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squidly:

is there a windows frontend for mythtv?

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Miranda_:

hmm, 'lsof' told me that mplayer running under user 'mythtv' had /dev/v4l/video0 in use

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doobeh:

squidly, yeah, but it's poor

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squidly:

doobeh: that's what It thought

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doobeh:

sudu.ku or something

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doobeh:

www.sudu.dk/mythtvplayer

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Miranda_:

bah, gonna reboot

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squidly:

doobeh: thanks

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fuhgawz:

hi all

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fuhgawz:

im confused about something

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fuhgawz:

i live in the dominican republic, and we dont have any listings or grabbers for the local channels over the local cable company

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Miranda_:

okay, now it appears that my device isn't in use anymore

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doobeh:

fuhgawz, I may be able to help! (I'm just north in the Turks and Caicos islands) You get a stripped american feed, but can't match it to your local station, right? :)

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fuhgawz:

someone told me that i need to make my own grabber for my cable company so i visited xmltv website looking for info about developing a grabber

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fuhgawz:

doobeh not really

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fuhgawz:

because rigth now i havent configured any grabbers

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doobeh:

but you get american channels, east coast, yeah? or is it local channels in the DR?

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fuhgawz:

nop i dont have any channels on my mythtv

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doobeh:

I'm taking about your normal cable feed

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doobeh:

is it american channels

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fuhgawz:

oh

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fuhgawz:

most of it

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doobeh:

would it be fair to say, if you could get listings for those channels you'd be happy-- or are you after listings for local D.R channels?

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fuhgawz:

im after local dr channels

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fuhgawz:

i dont need the other ones

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fuhgawz:

like mtv or hbo

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fuhgawz:

i just need local ones

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fuhgawz:

so i`ve got the local programs schedules for all the channels that i need in a paper

[01:10:13]

fuhgawz:

im confused about making them work on mythtv

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Gokee2_Laptop:

Is there any way to convert vga to svideo??

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doobeh:

you want to manually write in the schedules?

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Miranda_:

oh, this could be an issue

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Miranda_:

the ivtv guide says something like "50 = tcl 5002n based card. (not sure anyone should use this --thch)"

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Miranda_:

and dmesg | grep tuner says :

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Miranda_:

mythtv ~ # dmesg | grep tuner

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Miranda_:

tveeprom 1–0050: tuner model is TCL 2002N 5H (idx 99, type 50)

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Miranda_:

tuner 1–0061: chip found @ 0xc2 (ivtv i2c driver #0)

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Miranda_:

tuner 1–0061: type set to 50 (TCL 2002N)

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doobeh:

fuhgawz: If you're going to be manually entering everything from your newspaper into an xmltv format, then it's easy-- but.. time consuming:

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doobeh:

http://www.xmltv.org/wiki/xmltvfileformat.html has the layout you need to match

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doobeh:

although you might be able to insert it directly into the mythtv database, skip the middleman

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Miranda_:

Is it normal for mythtv-setup to crash when I delete my capture card?

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bkr:

evening everyone... anyone familiar with mythbuntu?

[01:20:25]

bkr:

i'm having issues getting my box running and can't seem to figure it out

[01:20:29]

mzb:

what is EIT going to give me that my grabber doesn't do already?

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Miranda_:

grr, getting ready to install knoppmyth

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Miranda_:

try something that's verified working

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fuhgawz:

hmm

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javatexan:

i like mythbuntu myself

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fuhgawz:

thanks doobeh

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doobeh:

fuhgawz: it'd be the "program" table in the mythtvconverg database-- if you import some random listings in, to get an idea of what's needed, might be off to a good start

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doobeh:

then you could make a little webfront-end for creating programs...

[01:23:58]

mzb:

ie: is there _any_ reason to use EIT?

[01:24:50]

cesman:

if you have an issue w/ paying $20 a year for SD

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justinh:

mzb: depends where you live

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mzb:

.au

[01:25:09]

justinh:

no point in it right now then

[01:25:15]

mzb:

it's enabled

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mzb:

as of 20080102

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mzb:

shepherd works fine ... just wondering what else EIT will do for me

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justinh:

really? good for you guys at last then!

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mzb:

:)

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justinh:

mzb: well, depends really on how much data you get & how frequently it gets updates

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mzb:

err ... very few channels compared to you :)

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justinh:

in the UK it's pretty much updated on the fly & can actually result in recordings shuffling round when schedules are screwed up – meaning no missing shows :)

[01:26:42]

mzb:

ah

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justinh:

snags are – descriptions aren't verbose, no programme name subtitles (so we parse the full title to get those) and no movie star ratings

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mzb:

so if, for eg. *some famous .au actor* <insert name> dies, and all the shows get shuffled to reruns of his movies, EIT will (in theory) update this?

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justinh:

it can, in theory, yes

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mzb:

yeah, ok ... so I wonder how well shepherd (which is pretty good, and very verbose) will combine with EIT

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justinh:

dunno if that'll happen though. took you guys long enough to get it ;)

[01:28:40]

justinh:

our EIT is only 7 days' worth max

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mzb:

ie. is EIT likely to overwrite details, rather than just finetune scheduling (on the fly)

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bkr:

i can't seem to get my mythbuntu backend /frontend machine working... can't connect to the backend server

[01:28:53]

mzb:

ours too (except for SBS afaik)

[01:29:03]

bkr:

and the installer never gave me any point to change the config for the backend server...

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justinh:

mzb: nothing is ever close enough for that to happen until the parser does some clever stuff which might be in the pipeline

[01:29:18]

mzb:

but we're only talking about 5 stations (or so) with some of those supplying 2 or 3 streams

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bkr:

so how (and what) do i edit to configure the backend server now that I'm installed?

[01:29:51]

** justinh points at #ubuntu-mythtv and their docs over at www.mythbuntu.org **

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bkr:

i've installed 6 different times now and I'm thinking I may just try a different distro to do this...

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mzb:

hmm ... not sure if I really want to enable EIT then :) ... although my curiosity will probably get the better of me

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bkr:

justinh: thanks but the ubuntu-mythtv channel has been completely useless... noone seems to respond to questions or chat at all for that matter, whenever I've gone there

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bkr:

and the documents show steps in the installer that don't appear when I install

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mzb:

saw an interesting talk on "NFS Tuning Secrets" at linux.conf.au ... all fixed now :)) ... bandwidth graph is showing DEAD STRAIGHT LINE :)))

[01:31:22]

mzb:

video is online if anyone want's to check it out

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justinh:

bkr: if you can't get it worky with mythbuntu you stand very little chance with anything else. read the docs

[01:32:03]

bkr:

justinh: as I said, i've read the docs already

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bkr:

they don't provide the right information

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mzb:

(talk was given by NFS expert at SGI)

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Egghead:

having trouble with lirc, i have 2 pvr-150 cards, one with the ir port the other with out, could lirc be trying to bind with the wrong card during install?

[01:32:47]

mzb:

(Greg Banks)

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bkr:

i'm looking for where the config files for the mysql server are stored so I can edit the hostname and user, which the mythbuntu guis won't allow me to do for some reason

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justinh:

Egghead: possibly. udev rules may help out there

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Miranda_:

grrr

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mzb:

see: Session 3 on Friday: http://linux.conf.au/programme/presentations

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mzb:

(about an hour long)

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Egghead:

justinh, is there a faq on this that u know of?

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Miranda_:

justinh, can you make sense of this line in the ivtv guide – says something like "50 = tcl 5002n based card. (not sure anyone should use this --thch)"

[01:34:29]

mzb:

short story is: use sync on server, async on client (among other things)

[01:35:35]

justinh:

Egghead: google knows. not many guides are very good though. try the mythtv wiki first

[01:36:27]

justinh:

Miranda_: looks like a card type modprobe option. only to be used if you know what you're doing

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Egghead:

justinh, ok, tried google, albite it probably knows, but i dont know the question i guess, lol

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jblack:

I seem to have gotten myself lost. I can't find where to set interlacing in 0.20.99

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Miranda_:

justinh, hmm, didn't see an option for NTSC-M or just plain NTSC

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Egghead:

justinh, but thanks, ill add the udev to the seach :)

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Miranda_:

justinh, the card works when I play with mplayer, but comes up as 'in use' when Live TV is attmpted in Myth

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plb_:

ls

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plb_:

er

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plb_:

hm

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Miranda_:

It's extremely frustrating – especially when lots of people said that th PVR-150 was one of the best supported

[01:38:45]

plb_:

what is --dd-file option in mythfilldatabase?

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plb_:

same as file?

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plb_:

--file

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justinh:

no -dd-file means datadirect file IIRC

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plb_:

ah

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justinh:

mythfilldatabase --help will tell you

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plb_:

hm

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plb_:

when I run mythfilldatabase from a file it doesn't goto the right video source

[01:44:40]

plb_:

is there a way to run and have it goto the correct one?

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plb_:

rather than going through channel editor and adding them

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bkr:

anyone have any recommendations for the mythtv distros? I'm having a hell of a time getting mythbuntu to install like it should... are any of the others worth looking at?

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doobeh:

plb_, do you mean the listings for channel 10 are on channel 15?

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plb_:

no like in mythtv-setup where you have to put the tuner to a video source

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plb_:

I have a video source named time warner cable and I'd like my channel listings to goto that source

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plb_:

rather than unassigned which is what they say after I run mythfilldatabase

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plb_:

any ideas?

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doobeh:

no, sorry-- I'd assume that's what the first --file argument would take care of, but I've never had to do that myself

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** Miranda_ kicks this card **

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Miranda_:

I can't see why it won't work in myth but it works in mplayer

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fuhgawz:

has anyone used an osprey 440 card for mythtv

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fuhgawz:

doobeh are you a mythtv expert?

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Miranda_:

hurry up stupid mythtv compile

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doobeh:

fuhgawz: nah, far from it-- just learning myself

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fuhgawz:

ah ok

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fuhgawz:

i think im gonna hire someone

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fuhgawz:

because this is driving me crazy

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fuhgawz:

:(

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Miranda_:

fuhgawz, the Osprey 440 uses the bt878 chipset

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Miranda_:

fuhgawz, do some research on that chipset, you may find something you like

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fuhgawz:

its configured on my box

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fuhgawz:

and i can see video from the 4 diferent inputs

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fuhgawz:

but with no audio

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fuhgawz:

:(

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Miranda_:

GRRRRR

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livingtm:

Hey my mythtv client just popped up and asked me if i wanted to upgrade my database schema... is that going to mess up my backend???

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fryfrog:

livingtm: sounds like you updated your FE w/o also updating your BE

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fryfrog:

I would not do it

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fryfrog:

You need to make sure both are using the same version.

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livingtm:

god what a pain in the ass

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livingtm:

my server is a SER-VER. my client is Ubuntu+1

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fryfrog:

did you update one system and not the other?

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fryfrog:

er, what does that mean>?

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livingtm:

i dont upgrade servers to unstable releases

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fryfrog:

so... are you using different distro on each?

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fryfrog:

and using the *distros* package for each?

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livingtm:

different releases.. yes

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fryfrog:

that'd do it.

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fryfrog:

pick one "version" and use it on both server and client

[02:33:10]

fryfrog:

using a different distro on each makes it a little harder, but not impossible

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fryfrog:

my "suggestion" would be to compile both from source, using svn -fixes branch perhaps

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livingtm:

i wish they could negotiate the schema/protocols

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livingtm:

within reason of course

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fryfrog:

do it :)

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fryfrog:

submit a patch

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fryfrog:

but i think maybe you don't understand the underlying problem

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fryfrog:

what distro is the server / client?

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livingtm:

ubuntu gutsy and gutsy +1

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fryfrog:

what is gutsy and gutsy +1?

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livingtm:

so i have this problem every 6 months

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livingtm:

gutsy on the server

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fryfrog:

oh, and the next on the client

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livingtm:

hardy on the laptop

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fryfrog:

hurdy hippo or something?

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fryfrog:

well, i see two choices then...

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livingtm:

my server runs a hell of a lot more than just mythbackend, so i have to upgrade the entire damn thing every 6 months

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fryfrog:

use the gutsy packages on your hardy laptop

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fryfrog:

or switch to svn (or tar packages) on both

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otwin:

livingtm: just build myth from fixes and your fine

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fryfrog:

I prefer the using svn -fixes branch option

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fryfrog:

actually, i use svn trunk though :)

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otwin:

livingtm: apt-get build-dep gives you the depencies, the rest just takes a bit of time

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livingtm:

otwin, thanks ill give that a try

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Egghead:

having trouble with lirc, i have 2 pvr-150 cards, one with the ir port the other with out, could lirc be trying to bind with the wrong card during install?

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fryfrog:

i suppose it is possible?

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fryfrog:

but i think the ivtv drivers (back from my 250s days) create the lirc device to use

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fryfrog:

so if you only have one, it should only *create* one...

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fryfrog:

lirc on the 250 was a little weird, i'm not sure if it is just as weird on the 150

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clever:

-rw------- 1 mythtv mythtv 181M Feb 5 23:02 core.mythfrontend.25736

[03:03:09]

clever:

yay a coredump!

[03:03:38]

clever:

i hit a lirc key for the recording list jumppoint

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fryfrog:

don't forget your baggie to pick up after yourself!

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clever:

http://pastebin.com/m5cb6339a

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clever:

any1 have any ideas?

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fryfrog:

is it repeatable?

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clever:

no idea

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clever:

repeating roughtly what i did

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fryfrog:

if it isn't repeatable, i'd just setup a cron job / script to re-start mythfrontend when it crashes

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fryfrog:

thats what i do for those rare situations.

[03:07:54]

clever:

irexec runs mythfe

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clever:

when i hit the power button on my remote

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fryfrog:

nice

[03:08:22]

clever:

id like to also power the tv and stereo but id need the 2nd baster working for that

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fryfrog:

probably quicker than mine which makes me wait up to 60 sec for it to re-appear :)

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fryfrog:

?

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fryfrog:

why not a universal remote instead?

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clever:

pvr 150 receiver

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fryfrog:

I love my Harmony Remote (the cheapest one)

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fryfrog:

so?

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clever:

id have to program the universal to emulate it

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fryfrog:

does that... negate a universal one?

[03:09:24]

fryfrog:

or get a universal remote that is awesome :)

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clever:

i beleive the card only hears its own remote

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fryfrog:

it is just an ir reciever

[03:09:51]

clever:

but the micro on the board

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clever:

yay another coredump!

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fryfrog:

i'm pretty sure it will accept "any" commands and relay them

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clever:

recording list jumppoint

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clever:

play something

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clever:

upcoming recordings jumpoint

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clever:

recording list jumppoint

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clever:

core dump!

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clever:

fryfrog: managed to repeat it 2/2 times:D

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clever:

#4 0x080bec8d in ~ViewScheduled (this=0xbfa50908) at viewscheduled.cpp:122

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clever:

#4 0x080bec8d in ~ViewScheduled (this=0xbf8fb068) at viewscheduled.cpp:122

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clever:

both of them segfaulted in the same call path

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fryfrog:

now fix it, submit patch!

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fryfrog:

also...

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clever:

i dont even see why its faulting atm

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fryfrog:

are you using recent svn trunk or... -fixes?

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clever:

no nulls

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Miranda_:

okay, at least I'm making progress

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Miranda_:

using the knoppmyth installation cd

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clever:

MythTV Revision : 15764M

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clever:

MythTV Branch : trunk

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fryfrog:

ah

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fuhgawz:

im stuck again :(

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clever:

ive never had this problem last week(before i did the svn update) so its probly not the custom patches i still have

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fuhgawz:

i vave purchased an commandir mini to change the set top box channels from mythrv

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fuhgawz:

mythtv

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fuhgawz:

my cable box is a general instruments CFT 2200

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robbins61:

how do you enable captions?

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robbins61:

in liveTV

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Miranda_:

How do I describe this, my live TV is 'jittery'.. as if the tuner is not exactly on the channel.. How would I go about tweaking?

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clever:

Miranda_: bobing up and down 1 row?

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Miranda_:

clever, I'm not sure how you qualify '1 row' but it is bobbing up and down

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clever:

Miranda_: could be the bob deinterlace filter

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Miranda_:

clever, I can record a minuite or so to show you?

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clever:

and if it is then it depends on the playback settings

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clever:

and playing the file on my end wouldnt show it

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clever:

try playing the recording in mplayer or xine

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Miranda_:

clever, kk

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clever:

fryfrog: 13 10:30:20< justinh> MilhousePunkRock: probably not. most dedicated IR receivers have microcontrollers in them that only know one set of codes

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clever:

fryfrog: some1 also mentioned that about the pvr150 but i cant find that exact log entry

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fryfrog:

well, i've got no compelling evidence to the contrary :)

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fryfrog:

i had a pvr250, but i always used the 250s remote.

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clever:

just segfaulted with even less!

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clever:

start

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fryfrog:

i didn't switch to "MCE" until i got a serial port ir reciever and now i'm using a usb one.

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clever:

upcoming recordings jumpoint

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clever:

recording list jumppoint

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clever:

core dump!

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fryfrog:

so er, what is a "jumppoint"?

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jams:

yes the pvr-x receivers are rc-5 only

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clever:

a key/button which jumps right to a certain menu/window

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jams:

most annoying

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Miranda_:

shoot, where does knoppmyth save recordings?

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clever:

ive programed the red button to go directly to the recording list

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clever:

and the green for upcoming recordings

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fryfrog:

but rc-5 is not *just* their remote. you can use any remote that'll do it (including the harmony which has the pvr350 remote in it)

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jams:

Miranda_- in /myth

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fryfrog:

ah

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clever:

weee

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clever:

start

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clever:

upcoming recordings jumpoint

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clever:

upcoming recordings jumpoint

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clever:

segfault

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Miranda_:

jamesd, /myth/what?

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Miranda_:

there's like a thousand subdirs

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Miranda_:

here it is

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clever:

manage recordings->upcoming recordings->back->segfault!

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clever:

didnt even touch jumppoints but it still crashed

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fryfrog:

glad i'm not running that revisioN!

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clever:

feels like exiting the upcoming thru any means is causing it

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fryfrog:

maybe time to drop back a few revs and see? :)

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clever:

testing on another fe

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fryfrog:

did you do those combos back when?

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clever:

?

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fryfrog:

i mean, this isn't the first time you are doing these key presses?

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clever:

first time since i did the svn update

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clever:

on the master

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fryfrog:

ah

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clever:

this laptop also segfaults after that set

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clever:

manage recordings->upcoming recordings->back->segfault!

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clever:

so its affecting both the 6.06 and the 7.10 build of mythtv

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clever:

the 7.10 was built in a bit of an abnormal way which some people blame for half my bugs:P

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Miranda_:

clever, I copied a live tV mpeg over to my laptop, and watched with windows media player, the jitter is still there

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clever:

probly isnt mr bob then

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clever:

no ideas left for that problem

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clever:

also i got another abnormal bug with lirc

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clever:

sometimes the OK button gets 'stuck'

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clever:

and no other buttons work till i get up and punch the keyboard

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Miranda_:

crazy crazy jitter

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Miranda_:

you think switching from 'us-cable' to us-cable-hrc' will help?

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Miranda_:

it seems that it only jitters when a text bar or graphic appears on the bottom of the screen

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slestak:

hi all. got a recent problem with a mythbuntu box. worked fine until maybe 1 week ago.

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slestak:

i can watch and record live tv. can watch old recordings, just cannot watch new recordings.

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slestak:

looking at mythfrontend.log, FE is trying to read the wrong file, and it doesnt exist so it fails.

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slestak:

but the fiel with the correct name does exist, and plays fine in totem

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slestak:

the recording in question is from 2/3 and 2am. it is a good mpg. when i select it in FE, it tries to read a file with a name 1352_20080205200000.mpg, which is only about 2.5 hours ago (by the naming convention).

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cout:

why would a channel have lock but no video?

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Miranda_:

in Knoppmyth, if I want to revisit the mythtv-setup program, how would I do it?

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JohnMahowald:

Run mythtv-setup, as you'd expect

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Miranda_:

aren't I supposed to kill the backend first?

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JohnMahowald:

Oh sure, and it'll complain if you did not

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Miranda_:

grr.. still jitter

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clever:

i get some tearing along the top edge on weak channels

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clever:

the top edge is shifted/torn to the right some

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clever:

and when the stb displays its OSD it gives up trying to layer over the image and just blacks it out

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clever:

so it recordings 10 seconds of OSD and black at the start

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Miranda_:

it seems as if the tuner isn't tuned to the exact frequency of my channels

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clever:

yet thats not posible with my setup because its an external box doing the tuning for me

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clever:

and i cant tell it a freq

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Miranda_:

no, that's *my* problem :)

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Miranda_:

you bug-hijacker!

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clever:

yeha:P

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Miranda_:

um.. In Settings->TV Settings->Recording Profiles, my video size options are set to 480x480.. that seems incorrect. If I"m using 4:3 analog tv, what should they be?

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clever:

it tells you right below what it should be for ntsc and pal

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Miranda_:

Not on mine it doesnt

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Miranda_:

hmm

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clever:

when the 480 is selected

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Miranda_:

nope

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clever:

try just turning both up to max

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kusznir:

Hi all: I'm having a really wierd problem with my myth system. I have a P4 1.4Ghz system running a PVR500 and Nvidia GeForce4MX. My system seems to be suffering from an IO bandwidth issue somewhere...If my system is commercial flagging (even with nice 17) or even recording two programs at once, video playback is very broken and stuttering.

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Miranda_:

kusznir, you *do* have DMA enabled for your hard drives, don't you?

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abarbaccia:

all, mtd is complaining about not being able to write to a log file because the directory no longer exists. anybody have a clue as to where it might be getting that information?

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abarbaccia:

information = location of where to put log file because i can't find it anywher

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kusznir:

Another wierd thing was I *can* watch tv while recording/commertial flagging from a different frontend

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kusznir:

It appears to be off at the moment...I'll reset and retry.

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kusznir:

Miranda_ On that note, what -X setting should I use? (As I traced the dma problem, it turns out that an upgrade overwrote my hdparm init settings, so I'm trying to recreate the "proper" settings. I can't remember, and its not evident from the man page, what -X should I be using with hdparm on a modern drive?

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tjcarter:

"The headphones have blue LEDs in each earpiece and one in the in-line controller which means you will look cool while using them"

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tjcarter:

They use this word. I do not think it means what they think it means...

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fryfrog:

ahahhaha

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Guyfromhe:

people think blue LEDs are cool

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Guyfromhe:

their so like 1990s

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Guyfromhe:

I remember when they actually _were_ cool

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Guyfromhe:

now their so overused their stupid

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clever:

ive got a couple flashlights with just 1 blue LED

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Guyfromhe:

heh

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ColForbin:

Hello?

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ColForbin:

Once I have a Mythbox setup, is there a way to stream recorded media to another tv?

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fryfrog:

sure

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fryfrog:

oh, couldn't wait more than like 2 minutes :(

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br14:

maye he figured it out ;)

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br14:

s/maye/maybe

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fryfrog:

perhaps, it was a bit of a newb question :)

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dserban_:

Anyone know of a command line program that will check if an avi or (whatever) is complete? (ie. not corrupt) ?

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dserban_:

or can I just run mplayer in some way to check to see that the file is "good"?

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fryfrog:

humm, i don't think i've really ever heard of a program for doing that in windows or linux.

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dserban_:

gah too bad...

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fryfrog:

the only thing i could think of would be if you had the "known good" copy and could do an md5sum/sfv/par2

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Davo_Dinkum:

if you downloaded it via bittorrent then that would do it

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dserban_:

i'd like to run something after I've "received" a file

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fryfrog:

if you have a "bad" file, you could see about playing it back with mplayer/xine

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fryfrog:

maybe to like "-a null -v null" or something and looking for errors...

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fryfrog:

but... even video errors, some times they are not noticable by people

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fryfrog:

also... screw ups / bad encoding might play back okay, but it'd still be "unacceptable" to a normal person

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fryfrog:

i have to say *I* think your task might end up full of false positives and missed negatives.

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dserban_:

right... well just a basic chaeck that the envelope is valid.. and that it's ... meh like there's a mp3 checker... to make sure the headers are correct and the frames aren't corrupt

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fryfrog:

really, the best bet is to get stuff that is compressed (zip/rar/etc) and has a file checking thing.

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fryfrog:

ah, maybe there is something like that

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Guyfromhe:

mythbox is working again

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cmug:

yawn

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Puhi:

about the us election: http://www.digthewig08.com/

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cmug:

I am upgrading my system to a 42" Full HD today. My DVB broadcast is plain PAL, is there something I could do to enhance the picture quality? Post processing somehow

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Davo_Dinkum:

get a HD tuner

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cmug:

won't help cuz we don't have HD broadcasts :)

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cmug:

well with satellite we do, but not terrestrial

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Davo_Dinkum:

the 42" tv might upscale to HD automatically

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cmug:

Davo_Dinkum, Im not worried about upscaling, I will upscale on the mythbox. But that will not enhance the picture quality

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JohnMahowald:

How exactly would post processing even work? Interpolation of the extra resolution would just be a guess I would think.

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cmug:

I dont know, mpeg4 stream cant be retouched like ffdshow on windows does for videos?

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cmug:

Is there a noobie channel somewhere ? :)

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Gumby:

does anyone here know how to make the font of the Guide bigger in fluxbox? I am pretty sure its a fluxbox issue (so I am not 100% sure if anyone here will be able to help me) because my guide's font size in gnome is perfectly fine

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Guyfromhe:

never used fluxbox

[06:35:00]

Guyfromhe:

I know theres font settings in myth somewhere

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Guyfromhe:

have you tried screwing with those?

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Gumby:

yeah, nothing seems to mess with the font size in the guide (or boxes in the setup/config sections of mythfrontend and mythtv-setup)

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Gumby:

I know the majority of the time the guide font is hard coded into the theme. But gnome seems to have no problem showing decent size fonts but fluxbox does. So there has to be a way to fix it without messing with the themes

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Guyfromhe:

iunno

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Guyfromhe:

i've never used flux

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npurciful:

anyone awake here

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npurciful:

i seem to have a VIDIOCGCHAN: Invalid argument err in the backend and it runs the cpu upto 107%

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Assid:

heya

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mzb_d800:

well, looks like I might be building a couple of mythtv boxes :)

[08:06:06]

mzb_d800:

looking at cases first

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mzb_d800:

any ideas|preferences?

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mzb_d800:

I like the look of: Silverstone LC16B-MR

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mzb_d800:

I'm looking at black (silver optional) that will fit in with hifi components (std width)

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mzb_d800:

(19"?)

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mzb_d800:

Although the Antec Fusion (V2?) would probably do.

[08:18:13]

justinh:

Gumby: there are font size settings in mythfrontend. you can choose between default, small & big. note that you can't actually change the font sizes in terms of what point size is used without editing the theme. the places where you can enter font sizes are only for the qt popups & widgets

[08:19:08]

justinh:

and choosing the small or big font size may not have any effect since some themes don't define alternative sizes.

[08:19:30]

Gumby:

justinh: I ended up starting gnome-settings-daemon when i start fluxbox. that took care of the issue

[08:21:44]

mzb_d800:

ps: boxes not for me

[08:22:24]

justinh:

alternatively forcing X to run at 100DPI with DISPLAYSIZE or the nvidia driver DPI option would have cracked it;)

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Speedy2:

Hey all. I've got two recorded shows I'd like to copy to another computer. Is there an easy way to find the show file? Myth doesn't seem to name the files in a way I can decipher.

[08:52:11]

Dagmar:

Go into MythWeb and look at hte filename on the thumbnail

[08:52:38]

clever:

mythweb can also be used to stream/dl the file

[08:53:08]

Speedy2:

clever: WHen I click, firefox complains it doesn't know how to handle "myth"; maybe because I'm using lighttpd.

[08:53:25]

clever:

you need to change an option to not send myth:// urls

[08:53:33]

clever:

in mythweb preferences

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xris:

Speedy2: that's because you're using windows and haven't turned off myth:// in the mythweb prefs

[08:54:00]

clever:

double answer!

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Speedy2:

clever: How do I get the prefs to be saved? I set them, but they change next time I open inteface.

[08:54:18]

clever:

xris probly knows that better

[08:54:27]

clever:

my cookies seem to save themselves

[08:54:34]

clever:

could just be because i never close firefox

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Speedy2:

hrm

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xris:

Speedy2: turn on auth and your cookie problems will go away

[08:57:50]

xris:

otherwise, it's something set wrong with your ip/domain setup

[08:58:17]

** xris wonders if he should just remove that dsmyth myth:// link **

[08:58:35]

Speedy2:

Oddly, I can't seem to locate the file for the recording on the filesystem, but I can play the file fine remotely.

[08:58:58]

Speedy2:

ugh, found it.

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xris:

yeah, I should just remove it. dsmyth hasn't been touched since 2006

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Speedy2:

What is dsmyth?

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xris:

Speedy2: the thing you'd need to read those myth:// urls

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xris:

directshow filters for mythtv

[09:04:56]

xris:

http://dsmyth.sourceforge.net/

[09:05:30]

xris:

cool thing for windows users, but too old for me to support as a default option in mythweb

[09:06:10]

clever:

you could leave the option there

[09:06:14]

clever:

and just change the default

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Speedy2:

I used MythTVPLayer for Windows

[09:07:35]

Speedy2:

That works pretty well.

[09:07:50]

Speedy2:

And it's currently supported (i.e. being actively worked on)

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directhex|bsp:

i don't think dsmyth works with myth >0.19 anyway

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Speedy2:

directhex|bsp: MythTVPlayer seems to work with 0.2+

[09:43:33]

directhex|bsp:

Speedy2, well, yes, that's not the same thing though

[09:46:31]

justinh:

0.2 ? that was years ago

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Speedy2:

justinh: it does 0.22

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Speedy2:

hence the "+"

[09:49:04]

justinh:

0.22 ?

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Speedy2:

I forget the numbernig

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justinh:

that's not even official yet

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justinh:

come to think of it, 0.21 isn't official AFAIK yet

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Speedy2:

0.20-+

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tjcarter:

That's one horrifying interface

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Speedy2:

tjcarter: It's better than nothing.

[09:49:41]

Speedy2:

Hey, it's open source :)

[09:49:52]

justinh:

it's a windows app

[09:49:57]

justinh:

has to look awful

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tjcarter:

Yeah and if it built on a Mac, I'd fix it. =)

[09:50:02]

justinh:

it's the law

[09:50:15]

tjcarter:

Of course, it would then not be a horrifying interface for Cocoa

[09:50:27]

tjcarter:

it would still suck pretty hard for Windows ;)

[09:50:28]

Speedy2:

And Linux apps never look bad?

[09:50:43]

justinh:

Elisa? yeah that does

[09:50:58]

tjcarter:

Oh no, pretty much anything that is written for X11 prior to X.org looks like total shit.

[09:51:10]

tjcarter:

INCLUDING Gnome/KDE

[09:51:32]

tjcarter:

KDE generally looks like shit because there's so much eyecandy on by default that it'll induce seizures.

[09:52:10]

justinh:

I'd sooner use KDE than vista after experiencing the latter up close the other night. yeeew

[09:52:18]

tjcarter:

Clue to KDE nitwits: If you're gonna steal Mac eye candy, steal the function the visuals represent, nut just the pretty animation.

[09:52:26]

mchou:

lol

[09:52:36]

tjcarter:

justinh: I'd sooner use KDE than Vista and I hate KDE ;)

[09:52:37]

justinh:

animation. pfft

[09:52:37]

mchou:

like mac UI is functional

[09:52:47]

tjcarter:

mchou: you know that dock bounce thing?

[09:52:48]

** justinh is no kde fan. hate the menus **

[09:53:03]

justinh:

gnome isn't perfect either

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mchou:

I dont know anyone who likes using the mac super eyecandy

[09:53:33]

justinh:

infact I don't think there's a single desktop enviroment I _like_

[09:53:34]

mchou:

it just all gets in the way

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tjcarter:

mchou: love it or hate it, it means something. If the icon is bouncing, the program wants your attention or is just starting (in which case, the bounce means that the system has asked it to start and it hasn't responded back "okay, I'm running!"

[09:53:56]

directhex|bsp:

i used to run xfce4, but i was doing too much stuff manually that's easy in gnome

[09:53:58]

justinh:

just boils down to what I'll tolerate

[09:54:17]

mchou:

most ppl play with it for a month and then realize it's not useful and hampers them getting work done

[09:54:35]

directhex|bsp:

kde... well, i might not hate it for having 1,000,000,000,000 config screens per app, but i certainly hate it for being completely unstable and lacking functionality

[09:54:40]

tjcarter:

mchou: In KDE, the same bounce happens in the mouse cursor while the thing is pulsing for extra seizure-inducement, and does so because you double-clicked an executable. The executable could crash instantly due to bad libraries and you'd never know it.

[09:55:04]

tjcarter:

mchou: I know this first hand, because Firefox was teh suck for awhile.

[09:55:06]

mchou:

I use KDE and my icons dont bounce

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mchou:

never has

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tjcarter:

You CAN turn it off..

[09:55:24]

tjcarter:

If you can find the pref to do it.

[09:55:25]

Speedy2:

You can turn off most of the annoying behavior.

[09:55:34]

tjcarter:

Speedy2: most? ;)

[09:55:42]

Speedy2:

I think the bar to the right of the window in KDE is kinda jacked up

[09:55:48]

tjcarter:

Speedy2: the point was that the annoying behavior serves no purpose.

[09:55:48]

Speedy2:

But overall I'm fine with KDE.

[09:55:53]

mchou:

tjcarter: I think you're confused. KDE doesnt come with bouncing icons

[09:56:02]

Speedy2:

The Mac has WAY annoying behavior.

[09:56:13]

mchou:

tjcarter: that functionality resides in other add-ons

[09:56:31]

tjcarter:

mchou: it needs to reside in /dev/null!

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mchou:

tjcarter: as far as kde is concerned it does reside in /de/mull

[09:57:06]

mchou:

dev/null*

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mchou:

like I said, KDE does not come with bouncing icons

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tjcarter:

It's one thing to have cute graphics and animations to represent something the system is doing. As long as it's unobtrusive, it's not bad.

[09:58:18]

directhex|bsp:

the problem is, much of the stuff is implemented because it looks cool, not as a result of HCI analysis

[09:58:23]

directhex|bsp:

certainly on linux

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tjcarter:

mchou: I'll take your word for it. Most dists give you pretty much everything when you ask for "KDE-desktop" or "Gnome-desktop", including 3rd party things

[09:58:34]

tjcarter:

it's possible the dist in question was being stupid

[09:58:44]

tjcarter:

It's not like that's never happened before. ;)

[09:58:48]

justinh:

notice how nobody has yet added annoying noises to mythfrontend? says something doesn't it? :D

[09:58:59]

DGnome:

:D

[09:59:12]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, feature request received! let me get a svn checkout...

[09:59:22]

mchou:

anyway, mac ui is becoming the suck

[09:59:24]

tjcarter:

justinh: I would not object to noises unless I had to go find them and kill them.

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justinh:

bing, bing! ploop, ploop.. wibble!

[09:59:33]

tjcarter:

justinh: Noises that default to off are okay

[09:59:44]

justinh:

hey now it's more like a teevoh

[09:59:52]

justinh:

plop plop boop

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mchou:

that's my shit hitting the water :)

[10:00:11]

justinh:

tjcarter: off by default. way less annoying

[10:00:26]

tjcarter:

justinh: sure, feature's one thing.

[10:00:48]

tjcarter:

justinh: but enabling something that will be appreciated by 5% and annoy 95% by default is ... unwise. =)

[10:00:53]

directhex|bsp:

the thing is, at some point you have to ask yourself "why has a big company done this this way?". the "why" question is crucial. sure, sometimes it's "because they're idiots", but most decisions can be traced back to conscious decisions based on sound reasoning

[10:01:00]

directhex|bsp:

so. *why* does tivo make noises?

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justinh:

because its users are retards who like that kind of thing?

[10:01:35]

justinh:

computers _have_ to go beep in their world. it's the law!

[10:01:55]

tjcarter:

I was not especially annoyed by tivo's pops

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directhex|bsp:

you reckon that was the decision making process? "our users are all retards! zomg, teh beepz!"

[10:02:00]

justinh:

beeping and flashing, and beeping and flashing..

[10:02:04]

tjcarter:

Granted I turned them down to low ;)

[10:02:33]

justinh:

directhex|bsp: maybe their UI isn't very readable so they _need_ audible feedback

[10:02:38]

tjcarter:

Actually, I WANT to see the ability to play sounds per menu item in Myth

[10:02:40]

mchou:

I dont think tivo's UI is bad at all

[10:02:53]

justinh:

tjcarter: dead easy to do

[10:02:54]

directhex|bsp:

tjcarter, can you explain why?

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mchou:

In fact I'd say it's superior to myth UI

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justinh:

might not sit well with the background music now though :P

[10:03:27]

tjcarter:

directhex: would a thread on blindtlk@nfbnet.org where people are complaining that cableco DVRs cannot be used by the blind serve as an explanation?

[10:03:52]

mchou:

tjcarter: that's good enough for me

[10:03:52]

tjcarter:

directhex: "Live TV", "Recordings", etc

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directhex|bsp:

tjcarter, nope, i only know one open-source multimedia project that gives a shit about the blind

[10:04:25]

justinh:

tjcarter: possible to use query location in mythfrontend's telnet interface to see where in the menus you are

[10:05:07]

tjcarter:

directhex: add a few key options to send certain data out to an external program (ie, a speech server) and you get a fully accessible interface

[10:05:11]

justinh:

hell even just extend mythcontext->addLocation("foo") to read it out with a voice synth

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justinh:

fyi addLocation("foo") is how parts of myth help tell where you are ;)

[10:05:52]

tjcarter:

justinh: actually, I was thinking of sending the name of the menu option as "MENUITEM en Live TV"

[10:06:13]

justinh:

tjcarter: not impossible

[10:06:18]

directhex|bsp:

quit it with your dratted "logic"

[10:06:27]

tjcarter:

Send to a pipe. Let the program on the other end decide what to do with it.

[10:06:28]

directhex|bsp:

any change to the status quo should be treated with scorn

[10:06:49]

tjcarter:

Either say Live TV through a speech server or play a prerecorded sound that sounds better.

[10:07:43]

tjcarter:

That's perhaps the ideal solution since it doesn't create two separate things that should not both be enabled (play sounds for each menu item and send the menu item to a speech server)

[10:07:59]

directhex|bsp:

on a related note, i wonder if there's an updated rhythmbox build

[10:08:17]

directhex|bsp:

rockbox, even

[10:08:35]

tjcarter:

though it'd be one whole if statement to not send the speech server anything if there's a sound for this menu item.

[10:09:42]

tjcarter:

However, something akin to (perhaps less annoying than) TiVo pops would be useful in the playback as an auditory replacement for the useless OSD

[10:10:13]

tjcarter:

Wouldn't be hard to do. I just don't have time to do it =D

[10:10:27]

justinh:

tjcarter: might be better just to parse all the menu item events & map them to something else – only needs changes in one place then

[10:11:37]

tjcarter:

Well, a LOT of Myth is just do something for the current item/action

[10:11:46]

tjcarter:

Some would require a little more

[10:11:50]

tjcarter:

like the recordings screen

[10:12:16]

tjcarter:

you'd probably want to define a remote key to read the program description, for example

[10:12:38]

tjcarter:

Too much speech is actually more annoying than not enough

[10:13:01]

tjcarter:

The most common command used in screen readers is the stfu command ;)

[10:13:07]

justinh:

but then, I dunno how much point there'd be extending the accessibility when it's such a PITA to configure :P

[10:13:33]

tjcarter:

It can be absolutely trivial, it's just never set up that way by dists

[10:14:02]

justinh:

if I made a distro it'd be for UK people using only one kind of tuner

[10:14:05]

tjcarter:

Of course, absolutely trivial either means "paid for a synthesizer license" or "sounds like shit" ;)

[10:14:37]

tjcarter:

OH you mean Myth itself

[10:15:25]

tjcarter:

I'm fond of KnoppMyth for that reason. It pretty well handles the major supported tuners without any significant irritation.

[10:15:46]

tjcarter:

It handles some remotes that way too--those LIRC can autodetect.

[10:16:12]

justinh:

it'll never detect mine. muhahahaha

[10:16:20]

tjcarter:

remote or tuner?

[10:16:31]

justinh:

remote

[10:16:38]

justinh:

very custom

[10:16:38]

** tjcarter has a tuner that is undetectable, but it's a cheap framegrabber. **

[10:17:03]

tjcarter:

If I could guarantee it'd always be /dev/videosomethingspecific, I'd still have it in the myth box

[10:17:12]

justinh:

it's a miracle any framegrabbers work at all, what with all the combinations of tuner & card type

[10:17:17]

tjcarter:

it's got like zero latency, and is great for PS2 playing ;)

[10:17:39]

justinh:

tjcarter: well, maybe one video field

[10:17:53]

tjcarter:

cecil is pretty much against UUIDs for things

[10:18:51]

tjcarter:

It should be possible to build a UUID for a tuner and configure a /dev entry with it for Myth

[10:19:03]

tjcarter:

That's not even black voodoo of udev hackery.

[10:19:38]

tjcarter:

Cecil kinda prefers that you reconfigure everything if something changes, only there are race conditions involved with certain combinations of hardware

[10:19:52]

tjcarter:

namely, my pvr500 and this cheap bttv-using grabber

[10:20:09]

Dagmar:

Whose fault is it for having that Brooktree card?

[10:20:16]

tjcarter:

sometimes my pvr500 has vidoe0 and video1, sometimes the grabber gets video1

[10:20:32]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: Already pointed out that grabbers are useful for video game consoles ;)

[10:20:54]

Dagmar:

So learn about the wonders of the alias directive for modprobe.

[10:21:26]

tjcarter:

Yeah, it's not so easy with KM because of the silliness that is initrd

[10:21:42]

tjcarter:

Tried, gave up, yanked the grabber

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tjcarter:

I got very close with udev rules though

[10:22:43]

tjcarter:

I basically convinced it to always symlink /dev/video-ivtv* to the pvr500 inputs, and /dev/video-grabber0 to the grabber.

[10:23:00]

tjcarter:

I think it was even almost correctly done ;)

[10:24:12]

tjcarter:

It did work, but all of the guides on udev said I was doing the wrong thing, so I said screw it, I mostly use my Mac as a frontend anyway, and yanked the grabber when I needed to get at a mobo header and never put it back =)

[10:25:29]

tjcarter:

But anyway, provided that you stick to known-supported hardware that can be autodetected, it would take very little to turn KM into something that could literally be configured completely with a remote control

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Dagmar:

lol

[10:26:01]

Dagmar:

Except there's about 3,000 different remotes and about 20 different types of IR recievers

[10:26:08]

tjcarter:

I'd argue that how HDs are managed should change (mainly to assume you may have more than one and to set up LVM automatically, because these are good things..)

[10:26:12]

Dagmar:

...just about none of which are auto-detectable.

[10:27:01]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: it calls for using one that is: mceusb, mceusb2, ati_remote, x10_remote (if you can find one), SnapStream USB remotes, or StreamZap

[10:27:22]

tjcarter:

If in doubt, go with MCE remote.

[10:28:01]

** tjcarter kinda prefers the StreamZap personally, like its button layout **

[10:28:27]

tjcarter:

Not my beloved RMT-V303 Sony non-Peanut TiVo remote, but it's pretty nice.

[10:29:00]

tjcarter:

And if done as I think it should be, arrows and select should be able to configure pretty much anything you need =)

[10:29:30]

cmug:

I just ordered the Logitech Harmony 555, I hope it will work well

[10:29:33]

tjcarter:

One of these centuries, I'll actually start implementing that.

[10:29:52]

tjcarter:

As I said, it's not even a big change to KM

[10:30:19]

tjcarter:

Requires autodetectable hardware and some automation of the HD handling..

[10:31:13]

tjcarter:

Prettify the whole thing with a sort of Mythy-looking Xdialog replacement and you're basically on your way to a MythTV appliance.

[10:31:58]

tjcarter:

If you get to that, you're basically at a point where it'd be possible to add a speech synth and a blind person could pretty much set it up themselves save for front panel wiring and BIOS configuration.

[10:32:13]

justinh:

tjcarter: no need for LVM these days with Storage Groups

[10:32:14]

tjcarter:

A totally blind person requires sighted assistance for those things (I know first hand.)

[10:32:30]

tjcarter:

justinh: I suppose not.

[10:32:53]

justinh:

no more "quadruple your chances of data loss" :)

[10:33:01]

justinh:

*total data loss

[10:33:03]

tjcarter:

justinh: I suppose storage groups are more failure tollerant without RAID backing it.

[10:33:26]

justinh:

yeah in that you only lose the recordings on the failed disk as opposed to all of them

[10:33:48]

tjcarter:

Does Myth have a way of knowing which recordings were lost in a reasonable manner?

[10:34:03]

justinh:

yeah it'll say when it can't find one

[10:34:18]

tjcarter:

That's not quite what I had in mind. =)

[10:34:19]

justinh:

that's it. about as much as you could reasonably expect

[10:34:41]

tjcarter:

I could imagine a cron job to look or something

[10:34:50]

tjcarter:

CLI tool to scan for missing videos

[10:35:20]

tjcarter:

that'd make room for a plugin to offer some cleanup options and whatnot

[10:35:48]

justinh:

no plugin for that. build it in if you're going to have it at all

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tjcarter:

(I've already imagined that it might be useful to have a plugin that made other kinds of similar tasks somewhat automated..)

[10:36:40]

tjcarter:

Like for SD users in North America, having to edit channels in 2–3 places is a little frustrating. =)

[10:36:48]

justinh:

there are too many plugins already IMHO – though nowhere near as many as VDR has. that must be like one python script with tens of 'plugins' bolted onto it

[10:37:00]

Dagmar:

NA SD users shoudn't have to edit much of anything

[10:37:14]

Speedy2:

VDR's system SUCKS.

[10:37:21]

justinh:

Dagmar: ATSC puts paid to that

[10:37:38]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: we have to remove channels from SD we don't actually get, then we have to run mythtv-setup to delete channels in Myth.

[10:38:07]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: If your SD profile only listed the channels you have from day one, you would never have to remove them from Myth.

[10:38:09]

Dagmar:

So ahem.

[10:38:15]

Dagmar:

Don't blame Myth because you fed it bad data.

[10:38:27]

** directhex|bsp sticks everyone on /ignore for suggesting-without-patches **

[10:38:32]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: lineups change.

[10:38:42]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: I had to go fix both when mine did.

[10:39:21]

Dagmar:

So feel free to patch mythfilldatabase so that it will destroy obsolete channels when they're dropped from a lineup

[10:39:51]

Dagmar:

This problem is not as simple as you would like to think it is.

[10:39:56]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: That'd be one way to do it. Actually that's probably the right way to do it.

[10:40:12]

tjcarter:

But no, simple it ain't.

[10:40:40]

tjcarter:

You have to know that the channel actually doesn't exist anymore, used to exist, and isn't being fed by something outside of mythfilldatabase.

[10:41:06]

Dagmar:

...and that the user isn't a loon who wants to keep it around "because"

[10:41:25]

Dagmar:

...and that the channel wasn't a custom entry the user created in the first place.

[10:42:06]

tjcarter:

user being a loon is always a hard thing to test for.

[10:42:33]

justinh:

to hell with loony users. they never count

[10:43:01]

tjcarter:

Anyway, they're just random thoughts until I have time to think about them more and put code where my mouth/brain are.

[10:43:16]

justinh:

them and their "muh, mythtv doesn't do the dishes" feature requests

[10:43:47]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, doesn't make me coffee either :(

[10:44:03]

tjcarter:

directhex: I've considered that problem =D

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directhex|bsp:

i wonder if i could integrate the myth telnet interface with the netbsd toaster...

[10:44:40]

tjcarter:

directhex: espresso machine control via lp

[10:45:11]

tjcarter:

Haven't worked out the anamatronics to make a proper cappucino though ;)

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tjcarter:

anyway, I either need the cappucino or sleep before I go inflict my ESRI on some poor kid

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tjcarter:

Presumably either Ekwall or Shanker know what they're doing, because I don't necessarily.

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justinh:

whoever the hell they are

[10:48:11]

tjcarter:

they developed a battery of informal reading inventory tests..

[10:48:37]

tjcarter:

Just to figure out what grade level kids read at, etc.

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justinh:

ugh feck off begging emails! the themes I announced will be deprecated. no turning back!

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directhex|bsp:

read LOTRO at age 8, label self as "smart". easy!

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directhex|bsp:

LOTR, even

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Gringo_:

hello

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Gringo_:

i'm looking to buy a tuner card specifically for mythtv

[13:33:56]

Gringo_:

looking at the docs, i'd say the best supported hardware encoding card is the PVR350

[13:34:11]

Dagmar:

You would be wrong.

[13:34:19]

Gringo_:

Dagmar: glad i asked, then ;)

[13:34:36]

Gringo_:

Dagmar: what would you recommend?

[13:34:43]

Dagmar:

All the plain analog cards (150,250,350,500) are all equally supported by the same driver.

[13:35:08]

Dagmar:

The 350 is only useful if your machine is VERY space-bound and you only have room for one card and don't have integrated video output on the motherboard.

[13:35:24]

Dagmar:

The 350's output is _utterly_ non-accellerated.

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Gringo_:

i have plenty of room in the case, but not much CPU power. It's a P3–1000

[13:36:05]

Dagmar:

Even a $15 nVidia MX 440 card will give a chance at XvMC helping out with MPEG playback for the video from those cards.

[13:36:44]

Dagmar:

So basically your options definitely exclude any framegrabber cards at this point, and you'd probably be just fine with a 150 or a 500 if you want dual tuners.

[13:36:45]

Gringo_:

it has a Geforce 7600Gs (bought specifically for using with mythtv)

[13:36:59]

Dagmar:

Yeah should be no problem at all with that

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Gringo_:

one tuner would be sufficient

[13:37:32]

Dagmar:

Just be aware that HD (1080, specifically) content tends to require more CPU power than your CPU has, and generally is not using a codec that XvMC can accellerate decoding of

[13:37:54]

Dagmar:

So, playing DVDs on that may or may not be tricky, but for TV recording and playback you'd be fine

[13:38:08]

Gringo_:

you mean HD-DVD's right?

[13:38:29]

Gringo_:

i don't even have a drive that can handle blu-ray or hddvd

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Dagmar:

No, I mean HD 1080 content.

[13:39:33]

Dagmar:

Some people (of questionable moral fiber) download HD videos.

[13:40:04]

Dagmar:

It could also be a problem if you switched to DVB ot ATSC streams (digital cable of various flavors)

[13:40:29]

Gringo_:

not interested in that. I'd just like to make a "hard disk recorder" for analog cable

[13:40:35]

Dagmar:

Then you're set.

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Gringo_:

but one with good software (mythtv)

[13:40:41]

siXy:

of questionable moral fibre, and of significant internet connection

[13:40:46]

Dagmar:

Yeah, that too

[13:40:54]

Dagmar:

...or _extreme_ patience.

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Gringo_:

so, the PVR 250 or 150 would be best for me?

[13:40:58]

siXy:

:)

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Dagmar:

The 150

[13:41:08]

Dagmar:

The 250 is obsolete. It was replaced/succeeded by the 150.

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Gringo_:

i see

[13:41:23]

Gringo_:

okay, many thanks for the help

[13:41:30]

Dagmar:

Technically the 500 is EOL (end of life) but there's still plenty of them floating around to be gotten.

[13:41:34]

Gringo_:

you saved me from buying a more expensive, slower card ;)

[13:41:56]

Dagmar:

No problem. Glad to be of help.

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Gringo_:

so the 500 would be fine as well, if i can find one. okay

[13:43:00]

siXy:

one 500 is probably *very marginally* better than two 150's due to less cables, connections and thus signal loss

[13:43:38]

Dagmar:

Gringo: Newegg.com still has 'em

[13:43:53]

Dagmar:

Any "MCE" designation you can safely ignore

[13:44:23]

Dagmar:

All that effectively means is that it's a "white box" product, i.e., it comes in a white box with very little in the way of manuals, but usually it has the Windows driver CD (which you don't need)

[13:46:20]

Gringo_:

well, i'm in Belgium, so it would prolly be expensive to buy stuff from newegg ;)

[13:46:42]

Gringo_:

i found the 500MCE in a shop around the corner for 148â‚¬

[13:46:53]

Gringo_:

the 150 is 126â‚¬

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anykey_:

Why would AC3/DTS downmix to stereo not work? It doesn't work in MythTV but it does in mplayer. I'm using alsa and an ALC885 soundchip

[13:50:48]

Dagmar:

You're not telling MythTV to use the right output device then

[13:51:01]

Dagmar:

Should _probably_ be ALSA:default

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anykey_:

hm, it's set to 'Default' only

[13:51:17]

anykey_:

guess I'll need to change that ;)

[13:51:26]

Dagmar:

If you have it pointed at /dev/dsp still, it's using OSS emulation, which more or less ignores anything you put in /etc/asoundrc

[13:51:49]

anykey_:

no, I'm using alsa. But I don't have an asound.conf / asoundrc

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Dagmar:

I have to do the reverse at home. I've a 5.1 stereo system, but all SD TV is stereo only so, no rear speakers without a 2.0->5.1 shim in /etc/asoundrc

[13:53:08]

anykey_:

My sound system does this automagically

[13:53:24]

anykey_:

but I don't own an s/pdif cable yet, so ;)

[13:54:18]

Dagmar:

ALSA's docs are downright _hateful_ about explaining how to accomplish such a thing

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anykey_:

Now I changed both the output and the passthrough device to 'ALSA:default'. When I play an AC3/DTS stream now, the only thing I hear is noise...

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Dagmar:

afaik you may need to specify a different name than 'default' at the end of that then, but there could be some other changes floating around in there

[13:55:30]

Dagmar:

I wasn't even aware that 'default' without "ALSA:" in front of it would do anything

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justinh:

anykey_: I get noise through my analogue audio output whenever I play DTS or AC3 :(

[13:56:17]

Dagmar:

AH! You might well be able to sort him out then

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justinh:

not that big a deal

[13:56:32]

justinh:

why? I haven't managed to fix it myself. I'm scared of alsa

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Dagmar:

That's a natural reaction to ALSA.

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justinh:

I also have no inclination to try & understand it

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Dagmar:

Don't blame you

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justinh:

not that I think I'd ever be able to, since all the documentation is so crap

[13:58:01]

Dagmar:

I just, for once, settled for a software solution instead ot breaking out the hobby knives and soldering pencil.

[13:58:15]

justinh:

even in the mythtv wiki you're encouraged to copy pages of config parrot fashion with NO explanation of what everything does

[13:58:49]

justinh:

"oh yeah, that – it's dead easy. just put these 500 lines in a .conf file"

[13:59:12]

justinh:

somebody _please_ at least attempt to explain it in English

[13:59:28]

Dagmar:

Well, if you dig you can see where I _started_ trying to explain the upmixing thing, and then just kind of mumbled my way through the ewnd

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anykey_:

aah got it

[14:00:07]

anykey_:

needed to disable AC3/DTS passthrough, set the passthrough device to ALSA:default

[14:00:14]

justinh:

what?

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justinh:

but if you disable AC3/DTS passthrough it won't pass AC3 or DTS thru

[14:01:05]

anykey_:

don't ask me, it works as in I get sound

[14:01:59]

justinh:

thru both analogue & digital?

[14:02:17]

anykey_:

can't test digital right now (no cable)

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justinh:

I'm not thick by any means, but WTF is up with all the fecking waffle on alsa setup pages?

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Dagmar:

lol

[14:04:25]

Dagmar:

It's people starting out by saying "AHA! I can explain this now!" and then kind of realizing they can't

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justinh:

fecking heiroglyphics

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justinh:

maybe moneybagslinux could see fit to invest some money in making sound in linux nicer

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siXy:

justinh: well theres pulseaudio now...

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justinh:

which doesn't count cos it's not here yet

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siXy:

sure it is. its the default in fedora 8

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justinh:

doesn't do drivers though does it?!

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directhex|bsp:

alsa works fine. with zero changes to default config, i had audio on my frontend. hooked it up via digital, flipped a switch in alsamixer, and had digital – including ac3/dts passthrough

[14:14:30]

Dagmar:

pulseaudio is a sound daemon

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directhex|bsp:

mixing, blah blah, are fine now, for any app targeting alsa 0.9's api

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Dagmar:

It's supposed to replace craptacular solutions like ESD and ARTSd

[14:15:22]

Dagmar:

IMHO it wouldn't take much to be better than either of those

[14:15:51]

Dagmar:

'bout the only thing they seem to get right is caching of samples for near-instantaneous playback

[14:15:57]

Dagmar:

Everything else they eff up badle

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Dagmar:

s/badle/badly/

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directhex|bsp:

esd and artsd were obsoleted when alsa gained dmix by default

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Dagmar:

HAHAH

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Dagmar:

If only ALSA had a half-assed idea of which cards actually needed dmix and which didn't.

[14:17:33]

Dagmar:

It doesn't even have _that_ much of an idea.

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mchou:

sure it does

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mchou:

look up HW mixing :)

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Dagmar:

I did.

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mchou:

on alsa-projects.org site

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Dagmar:

I wanted to know why it managed to break hardware mixing on my SBLive card

[14:18:21]

Dagmar:

...and failed to enable it on the integrated sound chipset which needed it

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mchou:

that's mostly likely the integrated chip doesnt support HW mixing

[14:19:04]

Dagmar:

That's right. It doesn't. That's why it needed dmix.

[14:20:08]

mchou:

old HW is best.

[14:20:17]

mchou:

aureal 8830 FTW

[14:20:35]

mchou:

damn impressed by that chip

[14:20:50]

mchou:

beats all the new cheapo crap

[14:21:35]

mchou:

too bad nvidia bought them and deep six'd them

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Dagmar:

Well, they bought ULi as well

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mchou:

the deep six'd that too

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Dagmar:

...but they weren't crazy enough to buy ATI. ;)

[14:22:39]

Dagmar:

Actually, they more or less digested ULi

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directhex|bsp:

nvidia digested uli

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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Dagmar:

Subsumed their facilities and people

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Dagmar:

Dramatically different from the Gateway/eMachines "merger"

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Dagmar:

...where Gateway promptly fired most of their upper management and replaced them with eMachines people.

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Dagmar:

(ha!)

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Dagmar:

That was just funny.

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directhex|bsp:

it's the steve jobs approach!

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directhex|bsp:

get bought out, devour board of directors, take over!

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Dagmar:

Actually, it in the case of Gateway it was more like "If you can't beat them, buy them, fire all your own people, and replace them with the ones from the better company"

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directhex|bsp:

i remember when gateway 2000 systems were the dog's bollocks

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directhex|bsp:

top scores in all the reviews

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Dagmar:

That's in stark contrast to the G4/TechTV merger where a shitty network with craptacular management bought a good network with ten times the viewership, replaced all their management staff, relocated everyone to LA and proceeded to reduce viewership to a mere shadow of it's former levels.

[14:32:07]

Dagmar:

directhex: They made pretty solid machines then. Overbuilt a bit I'd say

[14:32:19]

Dagmar:

Someone brought one into the shop I worked at then for a repair

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Dagmar:

Their husband had taken a baseball bat to it

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mchou:

haha

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directhex|bsp:

they were a premium brand!

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Dagmar:

It didn't take much digging through her IM logs to figure out why. lol

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mchou:

what did her IM logs say?

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jduggan_:

haha

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Dagmar:

All I had to do was remount the optical drive and replace the power button

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Dagmar:

mchou: That she'd been netsexing with a half dozen guys just about every day

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mchou:

Dagmar: bah

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Dagmar:

Hubby found out.

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mchou:

Dagmar: that's tame

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mchou:

it's not as if she was bedding them all :)

[14:34:01]

Dagmar:

What that guy did to the machine with the Louisville Slugger was far from tame. Heh

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directhex|bsp:

my first pc was an AST. remember them?

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Dagmar:

I was impressed the hard drive still spun

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mchou:

Dagmar: did she show her appreciation afterwards? :)

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Dagmar:

I wodln't wanna meet that woman after seeing those logs

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mchou:

2 girls 1 cup?

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Dagmar:

It would be too hard to keep a straight face

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mchou:

anyway, I dont understand what the hubby was complaining about

[14:37:26]

mchou:

he should have taken advantage of the situation

[14:37:38]

mchou:

instead of making a fool of himself

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Dagmar:

There are certain aspects of physics that would prevent him doing that

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mchou:

huh??

[14:38:29]

Dagmar:

Acts of agility that are pretty much out of the question when you weigh 300 lbs

[14:38:40]

mchou:

oh, too bad

[14:39:17]

mchou:

he should have just sat on the computer then :)

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cal_:

odd.. i uninstalled vmware on my mythtv box and now no more occasional freezing when watching video.

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Dagmar:

Ah but this was a Gateway of the "made like a bloody tank" era

[14:39:46]

Dagmar:

You could wedge one under your car and change a tire

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directhex|bsp:

at least the cowprint motif endures

[14:40:57]

Dagmar:

They made the thing to withstand small arms fire I think

[14:41:20]

Dagmar:

I mean, seriously. I had to replace the power button on the front of it, and reinstall the optical drive.

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directhex|bsp:

they knew how to make 'em in the oldern days!

[14:41:38]

Dagmar:

Other than that it was just scuffed up and the metal cover was a bit dented

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directhex|bsp:

you've seen the exploded game-boy?

[14:42:06]

Dagmar:

directhex: I still have a GameBoy

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, have you let off any explosives near it?

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Dagmar:

You know, I've done a lot of things with handheld electronics, but for some reason, subjecting them to explosive force isn't usually one of them.

[14:43:02]

** bagpuss_thecat has **

[14:43:08]

bagpuss_thecat:

well, I sat on it and farted

[14:43:14]

bagpuss_thecat:

badoom tish

[14:43:23]

** bagpuss_thecat gets his coat **

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directhex|bsp:

Dagmar, http://www.flickr.com/photos/rhoran/45214051/

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justinh:

meh it's just a bit melted is all

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justinh:

http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/images/melted.jpg – cctv dvr from a warehouse fire. still worked fine

[14:53:17]

justinh:

resulted in the 2 kids who started the fire being put away actually :)

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code-r:

any one here run CX18?

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mchou:

code-r: does it work?

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GreyFoxx:

_mre|666: Nah, I'd buy 5 of them and raid them.

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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cal_:

justinh: cool case mod! :)

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code-r:

mchou: um yeh it does.. kinda.. i donno

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code-r:

mchou: it pulls video feeds but seems to lock up on me

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code-r:

and atsc does not seem to lock

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mchou:

cx-18 works for atsc now? Interesting

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code-r:

mchou: it gives the dvb adapter, and scanns. but no signal/lock

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code-r:

mchou: but that COULD be my fault.

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justinh:

no firmware?

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defaultro:

hey folks, morning. What tool do you use to fix transport stream files?

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justinh:

ffmpeg

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justinh:

depends what needs a 'fix' though

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defaultro:

i used ffmpeg but don't know if it really fixes it

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justinh:

how do you mean 'fixes'?

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defaultro:

i'm getting tons of this, http://pastebin.com/m45ad6dff

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defaultro:

but when I play the original, I can't tell if there is something wrong, it's looks fine

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defaultro:

i need to convert the original to ps format

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defaultro:

i'll try playing the new output file first. I'll keep you posted

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justinh:

defaultro: projectx was something I used to use to turn TS into PS

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Huijari:

uhm, should the current trunk really support multirec?

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iamlindoro:

Yes.

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justinh:

meaning record more than one channel from _the_same_multiplex_ at the same time

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Huijari:

yeah, i know that

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justinh:

but?

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Huijari:

my mythweb still whines about conflicts

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Huijari:

and yeah, on the same multiplex

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justinh:

you do know the default max recording limit is two don't you?

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defaultro:

justinh, the newly created file was fine

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defaultro:

:)

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Huijari:

justinh: actually i didn't, but the problem exists with two concurrent recordings

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npurciful:

strange error flushing buffer ... VIDIOCGCHAN: Invalid argument

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Huijari:

uhm, i'll try with the newest one to be sure, my copy is a few days old

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npurciful:

does anyone know anything about this?

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iamlindoro:

Anything in the last month or so should work fine

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npurciful:

I am using SVN 15784, the error causes backend to go to 107% recording NTSC broadcast

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Gumby:

does anyone here know why my guide data would be one hour ahead of real time?

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tyce:

anyone in here know the status of HD playback on an appleTV running mythfrontend?

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directhex|bsp:

non existant

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directhex|bsp:

appletv doesn't have the horsepower for hd

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iamlindoro:

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tyce:

hahahahaha

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iamlindoro:

Mmmm, iTunes HD... 1920x1080 worth of 100x100 macroblocks

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, has the aplpetv take 2 firmware actually released? standard models can't do hd

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Dagmar:

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tyce:

so that's the final word? I wasn't sure how the video was being processed, whether or not it was doing hardware decoding

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iamlindoro:

directhex, I *believe* it was always possible to output 720p from it with stuff you imported into your iTunes library, but I'd hate to try it on anything higher than embarassingly low bitrates

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tyce:

got a buddy wanting to offload his virtually brand new for $100, so I thought I'd pick it up as long as I could use it as a frontend :)

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iamlindoro:

tyce, no hardware decoding. As directhex said, simply not enough horsepower there for HD in myth.

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npurciful:

strange error flushing buffer ... VIDIOCGCHAN: Invalid argument?//

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fuxxy:

I just got my Hauppauge PVR-150 working last night, and it tunes all my channels, but acts as if it's not tuned in perfectly.. When the program shows a ticker or bar at the bottom or top, the entire picture flickers and jumps

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tyce:

iamlindoro: thanks, appreciate the information, guess I'll hold off on picking it up until the revamp the hardware.

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Huijari:

justinh: uhm, now mythweb says it'll record the both shows, but their status is "Forced". is this normal?

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Dagmar:

That depends on whether or not they file charges.

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justinh:

ffs they patented watching one show while recording another! :-O

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justinh:

oh wait my box is ok. I can record 3 while watching another

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Ryushin:

Is there a reason why current svn in mythweb shows requests pending when you're in the listings screen?

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astyler:

how demanding is HD output (1080p) on the CPU?

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astyler:

I have an e6300 and an e1200 from front/back but I'd prefer the e1200 in the front because it runs cooler/quieter

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sphery:

mythbackend CPU usage is minimal when using hardware encoders (PVR-x50's) or digital capture.

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sphery:

mythfrontend playback is /very/ processor hungry.

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sphery:

IMHO, powerful CPU's only belong in myth frontends

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sphery:

I have an Athlon XP 2400+ and 2000+ in my backends and an Athlon 64 X2 4800+ in my frontend.

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sphery:

I'd guess that the e6300 is significantly cooler/quieter than my 4800+ (which is an early-model X2)

[19:27:18]

sphery:

I also really think you're better off using the more powerful processor in the frontend--it's really wasted in the backend.

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sphery:

(unless you transcode /all/ of your video to a less-demanding format)

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astyler:

sphery!

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astyler:

the e1200 would be good at transcoding

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astyler:

the e6300 just gets sooo hot in my frontend

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astyler:

maybe if i just reduce my overclock :(

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sphery:

Yeah. Just trying to say that a frontend requires the power in a Myth system--not a backend.

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sphery:

Even for transcoding/commflagging (which don't need to occur in "real-time"), low-power processors aren't a problem. My backends take about 2:1 to commflag my recordings (i.e. almost 2 hours to commflag a 1-hour show).

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directhex:

astyler, 1080p with which codec?

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directhex:

astyler, mpeg2, you want a "decent" last gen cpu – a high end athlonxp, for example. h264 you want a high-end current-gen cpu, e.g. 2.66ghz core2

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astyler:

probably mpeg2

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npurciful:

strange error flushing buffer ... VIDIOCGCHAN: Invalid argument? I am using SVN 15784, the error causes backend to go to 107% recording NTSC broadcast v4l card. Anyone know anything about the error!

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GreyFoxx:

What kind of card is it?

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GreyFoxx:

What type did you define it as in mythtv-setup ?

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npurciful:

it has worked fine until the update from 15478 to 15784

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok

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GreyFoxx:

not sure what that would be then

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npurciful:

it records fine it just sends the backend 100% cpu

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GreyFoxx:

I'd put a ticket in trac on that one

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npurciful:

i am trying to figure out the 'VIDIOCGCHAN' and what it does.

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npurciful:

GreyFoxx: I plan on it was gathering information first

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npurciful:

I have checked trac, googled and removed cards and reinstalled them, reinstalled packages, i think it has to be a defect

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GreyFoxx:

I think that tries to get info about that particular input on that particular card

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GreyFoxx:

So for example is that input set to PAL/NTSC, does it have audio available etc

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GreyFoxx:

As well you can use it to get a list of inputs/names

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GreyFoxx:

SVIDEO, COMPOSITE, TV etc

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npurciful:

yes

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npurciful:

what gets me it is is limit to my v4lcard not my dvb card

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npurciful:

i assumin that it has to do with v4l

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npurciful:

and myth

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npurciful:

hold on i am goning to check for v4l changesets

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone know how to fix when a remote frontend has an error message that says "MythTV database has newer schema (1209) than expected (1205)"

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ShiftyPowers:

i'm running SVN on both frontend and backend

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ShiftyPowers:

and both have been updated to latest version

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jams:

good grief #4593 seems to have caused more trouble then it fixed.

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fryfrog:

ShiftyPowers: if the front end is giving that message, it means the BE hasn't been able to update the schema

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah it's the frontend giving that error

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fryfrog:

so you either haven't started the BE (or restarted) or you need to check the logs and see what happened

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ShiftyPowers:

hmm

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fryfrog:

i've seen that once, when my BE wasn't able to update the schema for some reason

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ShiftyPowers:

heres' the error message i get when i start mythfrontend

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fryfrog:

i believe that half of the update got applied some how, so i had to go manually edit the db and remove the changes it was trying to make (and finding already existed)

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fryfrog:

check the backend's log file

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ShiftyPowers:

http://www.pastebin.ca/894273

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fryfrog:

what the FE says is basically unimportant

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fryfrog:

check the be's log file

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ShiftyPowers:

ok

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ShiftyPowers:

hmm, seems to be no erro

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ShiftyPowers:

here's what I get on hte BE when i restart it

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ShiftyPowers:

http://www.pastebin.ca/894278

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ShiftyPowers:

it says the version on the BE is 1209

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ShiftyPowers:

so maybe it's the frontend that's messed up?

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fryfrog:

okay, so i'd start with a backup of your db

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fryfrog:

follow that up with letting the FE make the schema update it desires.

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fryfrog:

then see if they both work

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ShiftyPowers:

hmm, any quick link to how to dump the database?

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ShiftyPowers:

i forget

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ShiftyPowers:

and how do i let the FE make the schema update it wants?

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ShiftyPowers:

i would think it would do that at start up anyway

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ShiftyPowers:

i'm going ot try recompiling and installing

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fryfrog:

"mysqldump -u root -p --opt mythconverg | bzip2 > mythconverg.sql.bz2"

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ShiftyPowers:

just in case

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ShiftyPowers:

on the backend obviously right

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fryfrog:

ShiftyPowers: isn't it popping up a box that says "schema isn't same, do you want to upgrade?"

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fryfrog:

probably, yes

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fryfrog:

really, on the "mysql server

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ShiftyPowers:

nope, it's not saying that

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fryfrog:

"which is probably your BE

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ShiftyPowers:

yep it is

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fryfrog:

ah, maybe that is something they added into trunk a while ago? are you using svn -fixes branch?

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ShiftyPowers:

when i start front end i get a box that says that the schemas are different than expected, exiting

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

humm

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fryfrog:

so my suggestion isn't going to work

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fryfrog:

okay so...

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ShiftyPowers:

i'm going to try recompiling

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fryfrog:

are you *SURE* you are running the same version on both?

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ShiftyPowers:

let me get back to you

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah, i may have forgotten svn update on one of them

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ShiftyPowers:

hopefully that's it

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

hopefully! :)

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ShiftyPowers:

nevermind, recompiling worked :)

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ShiftyPowers:

i must have forgotten

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fryfrog:

score! :)

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fryfrog:

glad it was simple

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fryfrog:

you may want to check that you don't have two installs of myth

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fryfrog:

i use "--prefix=/usr" and sometimes if i mess up, i end up with a copy in /usr and in /usr/local/

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fryfrog:

it has tripped me up once or twice

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sphery:

Any SQL gurus here?

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sphery:

I'm trying to make a little playback profile crosstab query to allow users to better document them on the wiki

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fryfrog:

my brain just exploded, sorry

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sphery:

everything works, but I was wondering how to get the SQL to only show a value for a column if it changes from the one above?

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ShiftyPowers:

than fryfrog for your help

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sphery:

I.e. http://pastebin.ca/894317 gives http://pastebin.ca/894321, but I want the output (in the second) to skip repeating Hostname, Playback Profile Name, and Priority when they're identical to the previous row...

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sphery:

Hmmm. Well, I guess I'll just post it and we can modify it later.

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zabadapp:

Anyone successfully using lirc, irxevent and a window name (instead of CurrentWindow)?

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xris:

zabadapp: what are you trying to control?

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tts:

guys do any any of you have diskless front ends ?

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simcop2387:

hmm not surprised... mythui got pushed to 0.22 :)

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simcop2387:

tts: not diskless but i've got a read only root, front/backend

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tts:

my sound has disappeared and my graphic card had to be reconfigured, i have just set this diskless today . is this normal

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tts:

i would really like to have my sound back, mythtv is no fun without sound

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tts:

simcop387 i dont se why the sound card would disappear ?

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tyce:

anyone know how to remap the buttons on an apple remote in mythfrontend?

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CCFL_Man2:

c band is so flakey

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CCFL_Man2:

you need to know your shit to point it properly

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simcop2387:

tts: only thing i can think of is that your drivers aren't setup for it

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Wiggi:

hey hey

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Wiggi:

quick question, after upgrading nvidia drivers mythtv menu options have dissapeared... im currently rebuilding svn to see if this resolves, but has anyone seen this before?

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Wiggi:

happens with both qt and gl painters

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