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| [00:00:11] | justinh: | right I need to go to bed |
| [00:00:29] | blackest: | bugger so do i didnt realise it was so late |
| [00:00:42] | justinh: | aye |
| [00:01:08] | blackest: | your gonna miss the superbowl how can you live ;P |
| [00:01:30] | justinh: | how funky is your chicken, how funky is your chicken.. how loose is your goose... |
| [00:01:41] | justinh: | more lame cheerleading.. yay! |
| [00:02:18] | justinh: | the half-time shenannigans are reckoned by some to be reason to watch alone... |
| [00:02:20] | blackest: | 3,6 to patriots |
| [00:02:35] | blackest: | 3,7 |
| [00:02:37] | justinh: | either way I don't care. it's sport |
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| [00:03:21] | blackest: | why do we get borin ole farts talking about the game an americans get hot cvheer leaders |
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| [00:03:48] | justinh: | lol. I'm off to bed |
| [00:03:56] | blackest: | ok see ya |
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| [00:04:34] | blackest: | you know i havent seen a cheerleader yet |
| [00:05:24] | stowaway-atwork: | is there a button i can click while watching tv to start recording? or do i have to do it all thru the guide? |
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| [00:08:23] | blackest: | google mythtv keyboard shortcuts |
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| [00:58:38] | stowaway-atwork: | anyone here from Australia? |
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| [01:01:06] | black_Nightmare_: | not quite related to mythtv itself but anyone know what possible could be causing a receiver to have a small humming when playing music? (me curious about how fixable it might be) |
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| [01:15:50] | jamesd: | blackest, check your grounds and make sure your cables are good |
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| [01:22:49] | mzb_d800: | stowaway-atwork: yes (if .tas counts;) |
| [01:25:07] | stowaway-atwork: | Mzb- What XMLTV do u use? |
| [01:25:08] | archer: | hey in order to rip dvds/ transcode in general do you have to have the mythtranscode start at boot? |
| [01:25:29] | mzb_d800: | shepherd |
| [01:25:31] | cesman: | no |
| [01:25:54] | mzb_d800: | I haven't enable EIT yet, but that should be working now (as of 20080102) |
| [01:26:19] | archer: | in my myth on arch linux the other day i tired to rip a dvd and it said somethinga bout the transcoding deamon wasnt running |
| [01:26:32] | mzb_d800: | shepherd takes a bit of practice, but results are excellent imo |
| [01:30:33] | mzb_d800: | stowaway-atwork: I suggest you also join the mailing list |
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| [01:42:32] | usererror56: | I am having difficulty getting a frontend only to connect to the smb shares on the backend. Anyone have a few minutes to offer some tips? |
| [01:42:43] | usererror56: | the new front end connects to the sql database just fine, but i cannot figure out how to get it to play the saved videos on the backend from the frontend. it keeps looking on the local hard drive instead of over the network....liveCD works just fine and asks me for the share names but i cannot find in the frontend setup where to put in the share names for the backend. |
| [01:48:06] | mzb_d800: | no, mount the shares on the frontend, in the same location that the backend uses |
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| [01:52:34] | usererror56: | mzb, that has to be done manually i assume |
| [01:52:41] | mzb_d800: | yes |
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| [01:52:53] | usererror56: | ok |
| [01:53:00] | usererror56: | is that the way it is designed to work? |
| [01:53:05] | mzb_d800: | there isn't a mind-reading plugin yet ;) |
| [01:53:08] | usererror56: | haha |
| [01:53:17] | usererror56: | the livecd at least asks me for the share names, etc |
| [01:53:28] | usererror56: | i figured the front end only setup menu would have asked the same during the install. |
| [01:53:56] | mzb_d800: | yes, there are a number of ways of doing the remote transfers ... having the same filesystem mounted at the same location is the simplest method (to understand and use) |
| [01:54:17] | usererror56: | whats what i was beginning to assume i would have to do |
| [01:54:28] | usererror56: | but i figured i'd come ask first to make sure there wasn't some menu option i was missing. |
| [01:55:32] | mzb_d800: | hard to say ... a] I've got no idea what you're running, b] I'm no expert, c] I'm running mythtv-multirec (which is a different beast in a lot of ways) ... and d] ... errr I forget ;) |
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| [01:56:30] | usererror56: | haha |
| [01:56:38] | usererror56: | i am running the mythbuntu package. |
| [01:57:01] | usererror56: | but i do appreciate your suggestion and it at least shows me that my thinking was on the right path. |
| [01:57:09] | mzb_d800: | ok, cool |
| [01:57:40] | mzb_d800: | have fun ... myth* is an amazing tool |
| [01:58:08] | mzb_d800: | (life changing ... if you're a TV-addict) |
| [01:58:23] | usererror56: | yeah, it is great, i have a back + front in my main location on the same box, but wanted to setup a front end only for a friend in the building next door. |
| [01:58:33] | mzb_d800: | or just plain convenient otherwise (once the two of you get used to each other) |
| [01:58:37] | usererror56: | we have a network that spans both both buildings. |
| [01:58:50] | mzb_d800: | nice |
| [01:58:53] | usererror56: | yeah, i've been running great with both on my 1 box for the last few months |
| [01:59:19] | usererror56: | the onlything that does not work is the video drivers for my video card. so i my 'preview' box on the listing grid does't show up in the correct spot. |
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| [01:59:34] | usererror56: | but if i use the ati drivers that 'work' everyone on the tv looks like they are in the blueman group. |
| [01:59:36] | mzb_d800: | remote controls (and stability) were what made it great for me |
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| [01:59:42] | usererror56: | yes |
| [01:59:53] | usererror56: | i love my remote now that it's 98% programmed the way i want. |
| [02:00:05] | usererror56: | but it does not turn off my screen sadly |
| [02:00:10] | usererror56: | what remote do you use? |
| [02:00:33] | mzb_d800: | I've got a home-brew receiver+transmitter setup ... so I don't programme the remotes, I programme the comp ;) |
| [02:00:40] | clever: | i was planing on using irexec to run irsend |
| [02:00:54] | mzb_d800: | yes, that's how I'm doing it |
| [02:00:54] | clever: | so when i hit 'power' on my pvr150 remote it blasts the tv on |
| [02:01:02] | clever: | but i cant get the pvr blaster working |
| [02:01:22] | clever: | the patch breaks lirc_serial.ko and that wont build under the patched lircd |
| [02:01:31] | mzb_d800: | eg. press DVD on remote and it changes inputs on the receiver, changes channels on the VCR, and moves to the main menu in myth |
| [02:01:39] | clever: | so i loose my channel changer |
| [02:02:16] | mzb_d800: | press TV, and it does much the same thing, but it also selects the most likely channel I'd be wanting to watch (depending on time of day/week) on the STB |
| [02:02:29] | clever: | lol |
| [02:02:37] | usererror56: | whoa |
| [02:03:13] | usererror56: | i think there needs to be a mythtv convention somewhere where people could demo their setups |
| [02:03:24] | usererror56: | there are just so many options |
| [02:03:26] | clever: | my setup isnt that portable |
| [02:03:35] | mzb_d800: | I have a master/slave mains switch connected to the receiver, so turning everything off is simply a matter of turning off the receiver (takes care of the 35yo TV, and associated 40W backlight) |
| [02:04:15] | usererror56: | well, we'd get sponsors, to buy stuff so you wouldn't have to move it, you'd get a double. haha |
| [02:04:20] | usererror56: | 35 year old tv?? |
| [02:04:26] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [02:04:30] | mzb_d800: | PAL 69cm |
| [02:04:38] | clever: | i have a 15yo rca tv downstairs |
| [02:04:43] | mzb_d800: | (got a spare too;) |
| [02:04:48] | usererror56: | lol |
| [02:05:17] | mzb_d800: | have a 2nd receiver downstairs too, so that I essentially have "dual head" ... connected to a 42" RPTV |
| [02:05:42] | clever: | i cant get both the bttv and pvr150 at the same time in the same box |
| [02:05:54] | clever: | no other box can handle the bttv |
| [02:05:57] | mzb_d800: | note: I haven't paid $ for a TV since my first one ($2 for a 65cm B&W about 25years ago;) |
| [02:06:09] | clever: | and if i put the pvr150 elsewhere i loose the lirc receiver on my tvout |
| [02:06:22] | mzb_d800: | make a serial homebrew? |
| [02:06:35] | usererror56: | damn |
| [02:06:36] | clever: | cant find the main ic |
| [02:06:53] | clever: | was about to buy a usb receiver |
| [02:07:00] | clever: | dad hinted not to buy myself things before xmas:P |
| [02:07:07] | mzb_d800: | this might help: |
| [02:07:13] | mzb_d800: | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=83 |
| [02:07:18] | usererror56: | what is the main ic? |
| [02:07:22] | mzb_d800: | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=85 |
| [02:07:30] | mzb_d800: | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=86 |
| [02:07:35] | clever: | the receiver ic which is tuned to a certain freq |
| [02:07:46] | mzb_d800: | the main component is an IR receiver with amp circuit etc ... |
| [02:07:48] | usererror56: | the lirc config file? |
| [02:07:54] | usererror56: | oh |
| [02:08:03] | mzb_d800: | usually called an "IR receiver module" |
| [02:08:07] | clever: | read the 83 page before |
| [02:08:09] | mzb_d800: | which is 3 pins, rather than 2 |
| [02:08:13] | doobeh: | Hmm-- if i press escape when I'm in LiveTV or watching a recording, it totally quits the frontend, rather then going back to the main menu, is that standard behaviour? |
| [02:08:18] | clever: | and ive ordered one on another site ages ago |
| [02:08:58] | mzb_d800: | yes, I remember you having problems getting one ... did you say you're in Canada? |
| [02:09:03] | clever: | yep |
| [02:09:09] | mzb_d800: | I'm pretty sure Jaycar do international post |
| [02:09:13] | clever: | dad got me a pvr150 for xmas |
| [02:09:16] | mzb_d800: | jaycar.com.au |
| [02:09:18] | mzb_d800: | nice |
| [02:09:20] | clever: | receiver and hardware encoder! |
| [02:09:45] | clever: | something id be interested in is a self contained mythtv frontend |
| [02:09:52] | clever: | which can pull files off the main mythtv network |
| [02:09:56] | mzb_d800: | see mypvr |
| [02:10:10] | mzb_d800: | (I met the guy that makes them at linux.conf.au) |
| [02:10:10] | clever: | so i could copy a few shows to my laptop and watch it on the road |
| [02:10:16] | usererror56: | wait a sec |
| [02:10:43] | usererror56: | so in that website he is suggesting you can make your own IR receiver that will let you use almost any remote with mythtv box using lirc?? |
| [02:10:46] | clever: | i dont mean a box with the frontend |
| [02:10:57] | mzb_d800: | I got a Leadtek Winfast DTV1000T, but unfortunately my [tuner]{front,back}end isn't fast enough to do 2 recordings AND watch simultaneously |
| [02:11:01] | clever: | i mean a whole frontend/master/mysql which can run by itself(without recorders) |
| [02:11:09] | clever: | and pull files over from the other master |
| [02:12:24] | clever: | but still be able to stream stuff normaly when on the home network |
| [02:12:58] | mzb_d800: | clever: these guys should be able to post to you if you can't find something local |
| [02:13:00] | mzb_d800: | http://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZD195 . . . SUBCATID=245 |
| [02:16:17] | internat85: | howdy, Are there any plug in for myth that allow it to link into itunes "shared" library for playlists and stuff? |
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| [02:16:22] | clever: | the name of the site reminds me of mp3car.com |
| [02:16:35] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [02:16:47] | clever: | which is mainly based on carpc's |
| [02:17:59] | mzb_d800: | they used to do international 10 years ago iirc, and I can't see why that would change |
| [02:18:01] | clever: | you could use some of those embeded pc's for frontends |
| [02:18:14] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [02:18:14] | usererror56: | hmm mythtv plugin for itunes, never heard of one. |
| [02:18:38] | usererror56: | you could at least share out the itunes music folder and mount it via samba on the backend |
| [02:19:31] | mzb_d800: | internat85: I suspect google will tell you more about itunes+mythtv than we can :/ |
| [02:21:41] | mzb_d800: | http://www.mickelson.org/2006/11/07/mythmusic . . . -and-itunes/ |
| [02:21:45] | mzb_d800: | for eg |
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| [02:28:02] | CCFL_Man3: | i am an official c bander!!! |
| [02:30:03] | usererror56: | does NFS have better performance than Samba? |
| [02:30:11] | usererror56: | for moving / reading data? |
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| [02:33:14] | stowaway-atwork: | nfs was recomended to me by people in here like a week ago |
| [02:33:15] | jamesd: | usererror56, depends.. on some machines and i'm seeing samba win... but they should be matched... but linux's nfs has problems. |
| [02:33:20] | stowaway-atwork: | although i used samba. |
| [02:35:11] | internat85: | mzb_d800: yeah thats not relaly what im looking for. Itunes supports a SHARED view whereby you can connect to music directly, not via a rsync'd folder or something simular |
| [02:36:28] | mzb_d800: | stowaway-atwork: I saw a presentation called "NFS Tuning Secrets" at linux.conf.au last week ... some of the issues I've been having with NFS should now be solved |
| [02:36:52] | mzb_d800: | internat85: all comes down to where&how you've shared your music |
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| [02:49:50] | internat85: | though itunes.. :P i dont really wanna do samba/nfs mounts. |
| [02:49:57] | internat85: | anywho i guess ill look into it more |
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| [03:11:51] | usererror56: | ok i think i got my front end issues / samba shares figured out now |
| [03:12:07] | usererror56: | thanks mzb! |
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| [03:12:22] | mzb_d800: | cool |
| [03:12:57] | usererror56: | i mean i at least got the smb shares mounted via command line on my laptop so the onlything left is to actually do them on the frontend in the /var/lib/mythtv/ folder |
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| [03:19:25] | psm321: | does anybody know if there's any SVN mythfrontend for osx packages out there? |
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| [03:48:13] | tjcarter: | I find you all the time, right here. |
| [03:48:16] | tjcarter: | =) |
| [03:50:27] | stowaway-atwork: | who says hes hard to find? Every time ive come in here he's been here. and i came in evening one night hten the morning. and he was still here |
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| [04:53:34] | Guyfromhe: | yay |
| [04:53:38] | Guyfromhe: | it was most definaetly the power supply |
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| [04:59:58] | kibb: | how fast a hdd do i need to run mythtv? can i set it so it doesnt buffer on the hdd at all? |
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| [05:02:04] | kibb: | udma5 is enabled but its still choppy even for recordings |
| [05:05:21] | kibb: | filesystem is xfs whenever there is choppiness there is activity on the hdd light |
| [05:10:09] | kibb: | in device manager (gnome) it tells me it is USB should i be looking for USB2? how can i check that? |
| [05:10:21] | mzb_d800: | lsusb |
| [05:10:27] | mzb_d800: | _OR_ |
| [05:10:34] | mzb_d800: | # apt-get install pv |
| [05:11:00] | mzb_d800: | # dd if=/dev/sda bs=1M count=1024 | pv -s 1G | dd of=/dev/null |
| [05:11:08] | mzb_d800: | and|or |
| [05:11:11] | mzb_d800: | use gkrellm |
| [05:11:44] | kibb: | Bus 004 Device 004: ID 0fe9:db11 DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T (MT352+Thomson7579) (initialized) |
| [05:11:58] | mzb_d800: | no, I mean the drive |
| [05:12:19] | kibb: | its not a usb drive |
| [05:12:30] | mzb_d800: | I (eventually) worked that out ;) |
| [05:12:39] | mzb_d800: | check your drive speed with ^^^ |
| [05:13:14] | kibb: | i checked drive speed with another method it was over 100MB/s |
| [05:13:22] | kibb: | one sec |
| [05:14:59] | mzb_d800: | $ lsusb -v -d 0fe9:db11 | grep bcdUSB |
| [05:15:33] | kibb: | /dev/sda:Timing cached reads: 764 MB in 2.00 seconds = 381.29 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 70 MB in 3.01 seconds = 23.29 MB/sec |
| [05:15:38] | kibb: | maybe its not fast enough |
| [05:15:54] | mzb_d800: | should be ... are you trying to do SD or HD? |
| [05:16:19] | kibb: | not sure |
| [05:16:33] | mzb_d800: | make sure it's SD to start with |
| [05:16:38] | kibb: | the device is /dev/sda |
| [05:16:52] | mzb_d800: | no ... the format of the video stream |
| [05:16:59] | kibb: | any |
| [05:17:02] | mzb_d800: | (ie. the channel you're watching) |
| [05:17:25] | kibb: | hd seems better but there are still glitches just harder to notice |
| [05:17:43] | mzb_d800: | *start* getting the SD channels working first ... then move to HD |
| [05:18:21] | kibb: | they all tuned in fine but im still getting glitches regardless |
| [05:18:35] | kibb: | how can i check im using usb2 and not 1.1 |
| [05:18:45] | mzb_d800: | cmd ^^^ |
| [05:19:00] | kibb: | lsusb? |
| [05:19:06] | mzb_d800: | yes |
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| [05:19:21] | tjcarter: | http://www.aolvideoblog.com/2008/01/29/all-ti . . . ejects-no-7/ |
| [05:19:43] | kibb: | bcdUSB 2.00 |
| [05:19:49] | kibb: | rules that out them |
| [05:19:50] | kibb: | then |
| [05:21:09] | mzb_d800: | install gkrellm |
| [05:21:25] | kibb: | whats that for? |
| [05:21:37] | kibb: | is it like top? |
| [05:22:46] | mzb_d800: | prettier ;) |
| [05:22:57] | kibb: | heavier you mean |
| [05:23:00] | mzb_d800: | and also has the ability to do server/client |
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| [05:25:28] | kibb: | thats weird |
| [05:26:33] | mzb_d800: | kibb: http://dvd-baker.sourceforge.net/screenshots/ . . . nshot2.shtml |
| [05:26:40] | mzb_d800: | very handy util |
| [05:26:53] | mzb_d800: | if you have second machine, you can also do: |
| [05:27:10] | mzb_d800: | $ gkrellm -s mymythbox |
| [05:27:15] | mzb_d800: | to watch everything |
| [05:27:31] | mzb_d800: | (invert network and disk reads to make it easier) |
| [05:27:38] | kibb: | good idea i dont want this kind of stuff on my tv |
| [05:30:15] | mzb_d800: | eg: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . Id=2954& |
| [05:30:19] | kibb: | mythfronted is less than 30% cpu and less than 16% memory |
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| [05:31:09] | kibb: | cpu is 50% idle |
| [05:31:22] | kibb: | hdd is thrashing a bit |
| [05:31:45] | kibb: | its probably that |
| [05:32:56] | mzb_d800: | swap? |
| [05:33:31] | kibb: | my swap partition is double my ram 1024 |
| [05:33:41] | kibb: | i havent checked myth settings |
| [05:34:08] | kibb: | my ringbuffer is on a different partition but the same drive as my os |
| [05:34:28] | kibb: | xfs filesystem os is ext3 |
| [05:35:32] | kibb: | i didnt realise it records everything before it is played seems pretty hdd intensive |
| [05:35:33] | mzb_d800: | I'm using 256MB RAM and recordings (now) on NFS (xfs export) |
| [05:36:14] | kibb: | 512 mb ram but i think the hdd is crap |
| [05:37:06] | mzb_d800: | dedicated drive? |
| [05:37:35] | kibb: | no the case only fits one hdd nicely |
| [05:37:43] | mzb_d800: | only needs to be capable of writing ~1MB and reading ~1MB simultaneously |
| [05:37:43] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [05:37:47] | kibb: | looks like i'll need an upgrade |
| [05:38:24] | kibb: | sustained |
| [05:38:27] | kibb: | speed |
| [05:38:31] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [05:38:34] | mzb_d800: | I was using a 160GB (ATA Raid card) on a p3–650 |
| [05:38:56] | kibb: | this is a 40 i think it might be the bottleneck |
| [05:39:16] | mzb_d800: | hmmm |
| [05:40:25] | kibb: | does anyone know how i can prove this? |
| [05:40:47] | kibb: | my tests show 70MB/s on the hdd |
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| [05:41:24] | mzb_d800: | but that's not under load |
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| [05:41:37] | mzb_d800: | and the one you showed me before was only ~20MB/s |
| [05:43:11] | kibb: | Timing cached reads: 772 MB in 2.00 seconds = 386.06 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 140 MB in 3.04 seconds = 46.03 MB/sec |
| [05:43:18] | kibb: | varies |
| [05:43:25] | kibb: | last time i had myth running |
| [05:44:14] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [05:44:20] | mzb_d800: | got logging enabled? |
| [05:44:26] | kibb: | not sure |
| [05:44:47] | kibb: | can someone give me the result of their sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda |
| [05:44:50] | kibb: | sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda |
| [05:45:24] | kibb: | better idea i'll try it on my other machine |
| [05:45:32] | mzb_d800: | /dev/sda: |
| [05:45:32] | mzb_d800: | Timing cached reads: 304 MB in 2.01 seconds = 151.32 MB/sec |
| [05:45:32] | mzb_d800: | Timing buffered disk reads: 132 MB in 3.02 seconds = 43.67 MB/sec |
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| [05:46:03] | kibb: | is that you're mythtv machine? |
| [05:46:16] | mzb_d800: | one of them |
| [05:46:24] | kibb: | thanks |
| [05:46:24] | mzb_d800: | (p3–650 running at 804) |
| [05:46:42] | kibb: | does it do hd and sd smoothly? |
| [05:46:42] | mzb_d800: | non-myth workstation: |
| [05:46:49] | mzb_d800: | not fast enough for HD |
| [05:46:53] | mzb_d800: | non-myth workstation: |
| [05:46:56] | mzb_d800: | /dev/md0: |
| [05:46:56] | mzb_d800: | Timing cached reads: 1860 MB in 2.00 seconds = 930.07 MB/sec |
| [05:46:56] | mzb_d800: | Timing buffered disk reads: 222 MB in 3.02 seconds = 73.61 MB/sec |
| [05:47:04] | mzb_d800: | (still resyncing) |
| [05:47:13] | kibb: | md0? whats that |
| [05:48:11] | kibb: | memory? |
| [05:48:12] | kdubya: | Timing cached reads: 1128 MB in 2.00 seconds = 563.91 MB/sec |
| [05:48:12] | kdubya: | Timing buffered disk reads: 180 MB in 3.02 seconds = 59.63 MB/sec |
| [05:48:26] | kdubya: | MINE IS THE BEST |
| [05:48:47] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [05:49:13] | mzb_d800: | kibb: raid1 (software) array |
| [05:49:30] | mzb_d800: | on the server: |
| [05:49:32] | mzb_d800: | /dev/hda: |
| [05:49:33] | mzb_d800: | Timing cached reads: 1976 MB in 3.00 seconds = 658.95 MB/sec |
| [05:49:33] | mzb_d800: | Timing buffered disk reads: 254 MB in 4.00 seconds = 63.53 MB/sec |
| [05:49:48] | mzb_d800: | (500GB drive dedicated to mythtv recordings) |
| [05:49:53] | kibb: | my laptop shows 19.85 MB/s and that runs fine |
| [05:50:17] | mzb_d800: | so can you watch a recording with skipping? |
| [05:50:25] | kibb: | and they both have integrated graphics |
| [05:50:28] | mzb_d800: | ie. when it's not recording at the same time |
| [05:50:36] | kibb: | no skips every second or so |
| [05:50:41] | Computer_Czar: | Timing cached reads: 4952 MB in 2.00 seconds = 2479.43 MB/sec |
| [05:50:41] | Computer_Czar: | Timing buffered disk reads: 232 MB in 3.03 seconds = 76.64 MB/sec |
| [05:50:46] | kibb: | blocks in the picture and glitches in sound |
| [05:50:56] | Computer_Czar: | I have no issues with that |
| [05:50:59] | kibb: | its always recording i think |
| [05:51:06] | mzb_d800: | no |
| [05:51:06] | kibb: | i dont know how to turn off timeshift |
| [05:51:20] | kibb: | my ringbuffer is on im pretty sure |
| [05:51:23] | mzb_d800: | go into liveTV, press "R" to record, then exit |
| [05:51:30] | mzb_d800: | leave it for a few minutes |
| [05:51:43] | kibb: | can i just turn it off? |
| [05:52:05] | mzb_d800: | then stop the recording (select menu while the current recording is highlighted) |
| [05:52:22] | mzb_d800: | *then* watch the recording while there is no recording happening |
| [05:52:25] | kibb: | it was giving me the same problems i tried it the other day set a timer to record and the recording was the same glitchy when i played it back on a different machine |
| [05:52:37] | mzb_d800: | no ... you can't turn off the "record to hdd" |
| [05:52:50] | kibb: | i was in the upcoming recording screen the whole time |
| [05:52:56] | mzb_d800: | reception problem? |
| [05:53:07] | mzb_d800: | use femon in a console |
| [05:53:19] | kibb: | no it works fine when i change it to the laptop |
| [05:53:37] | mzb_d800: | (not that you can *necessarily* trust the numbers, but it can help to know) |
| [05:54:48] | kibb: | im getting ~75% signal on some channels less on others |
| [05:55:41] | mzb_d800: | that would probably explain the glitches then |
| [05:55:50] | mzb_d800: | (depending on the error rate as well) |
| [05:56:03] | mzb_d800: | I have 95–99% |
| [05:56:45] | mzb_d800: | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=79 |
| [05:56:54] | mzb_d800: | (and bird proof;) |
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| [05:58:27] | psm321: | does the "watch recordings" viewer have a minimum recording length before a recording will show up? (i have a 22 second aborted recording in my db that doesn't show up) |
| [05:58:33] | SerajewelKS: | does mythtv pull schedule updates automatically or do i need to run mythfilldatabase every so often? |
| [06:01:50] | psm321: | SerajewelKS: myth will run mythfilldatabase for you automatically if configured |
| [06:02:10] | psm321: | SerajewelKS: i dont remember where to configure it but i think it's configured by default |
| [06:02:36] | mzb_d800: | mythtv-setup |
| [06:03:17] | kibb: | 60% is fine |
| [06:04:01] | kibb: | i do all my recording on the timer always more than 5 mins no problems there |
| [06:05:01] | kibb: | if it was a signal strength problem it should show up on the laptop |
| [06:05:31] | kibb: | its running identical os settings driver and versions as this machine (set up the same day) |
| [06:05:33] | SerajewelKS: | sweet, the super bowl screwed up house |
| [06:06:52] | kibb: | the laptop doesnt seem to have as much hdd activity |
| [06:08:59] | kibb: | i guess im trying a newer hdd |
| [06:10:22] | mzb_d800: | turn down log verbosity |
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| [06:23:54] | soweto76: | I deleted my capture cards because I mistakenly added one. I have added my two capture cards in mythtv-setup but System Information says "Tuner 1 is unavailable; Tuner 2 is unavailable" |
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| [07:01:27] | Huijari: | this ain't promising |
| [07:01:32] | Huijari: | my mythweb just hangs |
| [07:02:09] | Huijari: | and apache's access log shows error 500 |
| [07:02:30] | Huijari: | but i'm not getting any other feedback |
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| [07:09:14] | xris: | Huijari: so what's the error message? |
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| [07:10:42] | Huijari: | 192.168.1.4 – huijar [04/Feb/2008:09:02:14 +0200] "GET /mythweb/ HTTP/1.1" 500 – "-" "Opera/9.50 (X11; Linux i686; U; en) |
| [07:11:10] | xris: | Huijari: that's from the access log. check the error log |
| [07:11:33] | Huijari: | xris: nothing there |
| [07:11:49] | xris: | restart apache. must be something there.. |
| [07:11:51] | Huijari: | xris: i mean, nothing considering this issue |
| [07:12:08] | xris: | how do you know? |
| [07:12:28] | xris: | do a tail -f on the log and watch what it prints out when you try to load the mythweb page |
| [07:12:58] | Huijari: | i know because i checked it out :P |
| [07:13:31] | Huijari: | and tail -f while trying to load the mythweb page doesn't show anything |
| [07:13:48] | Huijari: | (anything new) |
| [07:13:52] | xris: | then there's something wrong with your apache setup that you'll have to fix before testing mythweb |
| [07:14:08] | xris: | 500 means a cgi/script error... which means there should be something in the error log |
| [07:14:54] | Huijari: | yeah, and i don't even get an error page |
| [07:16:05] | xris: | yeah. php does that with some errors. |
| [07:16:19] | xris: | actually... do you have error display turned on for php? |
| [07:16:23] | xris: | check /etc/php.ini |
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| [07:16:37] | xris: | it should still log those, but if your logs aren't working, it *might* print something out if that setting is on |
| [07:19:24] | Huijari: | yeah, it's on, and the older mythweb prints an error page (about incompatible protocol version with the new backend) |
| [07:20:22] | xris: | that error page is from mythweb, not from php |
| [07:20:35] | Huijari: | good point |
| [07:21:08] | xris: | anyway, check that both display_errors and log_errors are turned on in php.ini (maybe you have multiple instances and one isn't getting read?)... and restart apache. |
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| [07:22:36] | astyler: | hello |
| [07:22:40] | Huijari: | okay, you guessed right: i had two instances of display_errors |
| [07:22:48] | Huijari: | sorry for being blind :| |
| [07:23:19] | astyler: | anyone here running a separate backend, im wondering what CPU you use and # of tuners |
| [07:23:30] | astyler: | im looking to build a master backend system |
| [07:24:11] | xris: | astyler: I have 2 frontends, if that counts. but I don't use a tuner. |
| [07:24:21] | Huijari: | xris: but still (after apache restart) no errors displayed nor in the logs |
| [07:24:23] | xris: | and the cpu is a q6600 quad core and WAY overkill for any myth |
| [07:24:35] | xris: | Huijari: still something wrong with the settings. |
| [07:26:36] | astyler: | heh, it doesnt :) |
| [07:26:53] | astyler: | im running the same in this main rig, e6300 on my current front/back |
| [07:27:33] | astyler: | my problem is i want to go cheap and get a 3600 x2 which is plenty for a back |
| [07:27:40] | astyler: | but then the 5000 x2 is only $99 :( |
| [07:28:47] | xris: | astyler: if you have a hardware encoder or digital tuner, you would need VERY little CPU for a backend... like p3 speeds |
| [07:29:43] | Huijari: | xris: ahh, now i got an error (my distribution had the php.ini in a different place, should've checked that out in the first place) |
| [07:29:53] | Huijari: | xris: "Fatal error: Call to undefined function posix_uname() in /home/httpd/html/mythweb/includes/defines.php on line 21" |
| [07:30:18] | xris: | Huijari: sounds like you need to install some apache modules.... |
| [07:30:20] | astyler: | yeah it'd be a digital + 2 pvr150 hardware encoders :( |
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| [07:30:38] | xris: | astyler: you should be fine with whatever cpu you buy |
| [07:31:01] | xris: | I know people who ran multiple pvr-150 cards on a 500mhz p3 |
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| [07:33:03] | astyler: | hmm |
| [07:33:19] | astyler: | what about cutting commercials? |
| [07:33:42] | astyler: | could i throw a backend on my frontend e6300 without tuners, to help with jobs? |
| [07:36:08] | xris: | astyler: you could always run a slave backend on other hardware for the cpu power.. but cutting commercials isn't really that much work |
| [07:36:48] | xris: | Huijari: you have an error message now. google should help. as would the INSTALL file in svn trunk, which has a list of required modules |
| [07:37:37] | Huijari: | xris: yeah, thanks a lot. i'll try to figure this out. |
| [07:38:27] | astyler: | thanks xris! |
| [07:38:34] | xris: | np (to either of you) |
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| [08:03:55] | TUplink: | hi there all in mythweb all of my recordings are coming up with a file size of -1 B i think this may have somthing to do with the rename script any ideas |
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| [08:25:18] | justinh: | TUplink: generally means the file isn't there anymore IIRC. The rename script should always be used with caution – and fwiw it's much safer to use its --link $somedirectory option |
| [08:25:46] | TUplink: | yea.... but the vids actuly play in mythtv |
| [08:25:57] | TUplink: | and i can download them |
| [08:26:06] | TUplink: | so the file is there |
| [08:26:35] | TUplink: | is there a column in the database with the filesize? |
| [08:26:43] | justinh: | don't think so |
| [08:26:51] | TUplink: | hum..... |
| [08:26:54] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [08:26:57] | TUplink: | there is |
| [08:27:01] | TUplink: | where is it |
| [08:27:08] | Dibblah: | ... For recordings, at least. |
| [08:27:22] | justinh: | where is it? in the recorded table |
| [08:27:29] | TUplink: | mythcontrib.recordings? |
| [08:27:47] | justinh: | _recorded_ |
| [08:27:51] | TUplink: | mythconverg* |
| [08:30:01] | TUplink: | thats what it is..... mythrename isnt moving the filesoze i guess |
| [08:31:12] | justinh: | the filesize shouldn't be changing |
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| [08:32:11] | TUplink: | select filesize from recorded where programid="EP010091570001"; returns EP010091570001 |
| [08:32:11] | TUplink: | select filesize from recorded where programid="EP005576780067"; returns -1 |
| [08:32:16] | TUplink: | oops |
| [08:32:37] | justinh: | anyway if you share a directory & use mythrename's --link option to make symlinks it's better than risking your recordings |
| [08:32:46] | TUplink: | the 1st returns 1064874238 |
| [08:33:00] | TUplink: | hum...... ok |
| [08:33:12] | TUplink: | just use --link /dir ? |
| [08:33:17] | justinh: | yup |
| [08:33:24] | TUplink: | hum..... ok |
| [08:33:43] | justinh: | where /dir is the directory you want the symlinks put |
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| [08:35:33] | TUplink: | yup |
| [08:37:41] | TUplink: | if i change the job threw mythweb.... do i have to restart backend? |
| [08:37:51] | xris: | shouldn't |
| [08:38:14] | justinh: | been running mythrename.pl as a user job? that might be why |
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| [08:41:47] | TUplink: | im sure it is |
| [08:42:20] | TUplink: | if i crontab it.... and the backend is still recording the file it will make probs corect? |
| [08:43:17] | justinh: | wouldn't count on that |
| [08:43:43] | justinh: | probably best to run it at a time when there aren't likely to be any recordings in progress |
| [08:44:02] | TUplink: | oh well... i just made the userjob nad only use the link thing :P |
| [08:44:12] | TUplink: | i have another q |
| [08:45:05] | TUplink: | i seem to rember i use to have all my old box recording livetv to another place..... how can i do that |
| [08:45:26] | justinh: | you can't unless you run svn trunk |
| [08:45:55] | TUplink: | oh thats why |
| [08:46:10] | TUplink: | i was on svn then and atrpm's now :P |
| [08:46:14] | TUplink: | its all good i guess |
| [08:46:28] | justinh: | a feature called Storage Groups which lets you specify multiple recording directories, not just for livetv. you can have your Seinfeld going to /dev/null, The Simpsons going to /dev/random ... :P |
| [08:47:13] | TUplink: | yea |
| [08:47:18] | TUplink: | i rember using it |
| [08:47:19] | TUplink: | :P |
| [08:47:45] | justinh: | well, 0.21 will likely be out by the summer. or not. everything crossed |
| [08:48:31] | psm321: | any way to tell mythfrontend where to look for themes? (it's not finding them for some reason) |
| [08:48:50] | justinh: | psm321: it'll always look in $prefix/mythtv/themes |
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| [08:49:10] | justinh: | where $prefix is either /usr/share or /usr/local/share |
| [08:49:20] | justinh: | maybe I should've said : |
| [08:49:29] | justinh: | psm321: it'll always look in $prefix/share/mythtv/themes |
| [08:49:37] | justinh: | where $prefix is either /usr/ or /usr/local/ |
| [08:49:40] | psm321: | justinh: well thats where they are |
| [08:49:44] | psm321: | but this is on OS X |
| [08:49:56] | psm321: | running from inside a "bundle" |
| [08:50:02] | psm321: | could that cause issues? |
| [08:50:10] | justinh: | no idea there. nobody's given me a mac mini |
| [08:50:13] | justinh: | :P |
| [08:50:14] | tank-man: | just put the themes in the bundle then |
| [08:50:45] | tank-man: | by "bundle" you mean the .app file? that is just a directory |
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| [08:51:26] | psm321: | yeah its looking for them inside the .app folder for some reason |
| [08:51:34] | psm321: | and the install process didn't put them there |
| [08:51:40] | psm321: | i'll copy them i guess |
| [08:53:01] | justinh: | I think you can also put themes in the user's .mythtv directory |
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| [08:54:18] | psm321: | well putting them inside the .app worked :) |
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| [09:25:18] | Dibblah: | Nicely done, justinh :) |
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| [10:35:17] | johnsmith: | I have been trying to get a remote frontend working with mythtv and in the process I have broken my backend. I cannot start the backend with user mythtv, where should I start to try and fix this problem? |
| [10:37:47] | siXy: | the logfile |
| [10:39:08] | justinh: | Dibblah: que? |
| [10:39:32] | Dibblah: | ... You're now no longer a plugin :) |
| [10:40:24] | justinh: | heh yeah |
| [10:41:05] | ** Dibblah really should get up to current on trunk. ** | |
| [10:41:22] | Dibblah: | However, the preview generator issues are annoying :( |
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| [10:41:57] | justinh: | have yet to WTFM on the new gadget or add menu watermarks but that's trivial stuff :) |
| [10:42:35] | ** Dibblah also likes the new work on MythUI... ** | |
| [10:43:21] | justinh: | it is but the very beginning :) |
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| [10:45:13] | quicksilver: | I got trunk working last night but had a copule of problems I couldn't solve in the time available. |
| [10:45:28] | quicksilver: | lirc not working and OSD all flickery. |
| [10:45:43] | quicksilver: | I reverted to 0.20.2 |
| [10:45:56] | quicksilver: | annoying to have to keep restoring the schema from backup though |
| [10:46:04] | justinh: | still haven't upgraded to 0.20.2 :P |
| [10:46:29] | justinh: | reckon I'll miss it out completely |
| [10:48:24] | quicksilver: | I'm just using 0.20.2 cos that's what debian-multimedia has |
| [10:48:35] | quicksilver: | OS packages are damn convenient when they work. |
| [10:49:07] | justinh: | not when a compile is 10 minutes away on your c2d 1.83 :D |
| [10:49:34] | quicksilver: | installing a debian package is 10 seconds away though |
| [10:49:51] | quicksilver: | and has correct dependencies :) |
| [10:50:29] | johnsmith: | siXy, thanks found it in there it was the lock file permissions |
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| [11:03:00] | siXy: | johnsmith: great :) |
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| [11:41:42] | directhex: | yay, some sexy person has written a lirc driver for the ps3 bluetooth remote |
| [11:44:41] | justinh: | **** em? |
| [11:45:17] | internat85: | lol |
| [11:45:33] | internat85: | i really need to wokr out how to get my usb ir reader to work, but thats too much effort atm |
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| [11:59:53] | justinh: | lol @ shagbag.mythtv@*****.com |
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| [12:29:10] | blinx: | heyho |
| [12:29:31] | blinx: | http://phpfi.com/294292 <- if I start "mythtv" as user |
| [12:30:32] | blinx: | the sql data is correct: .mythtv/mysql.txt and /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
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| [12:32:28] | ** Dibblah wonders how much the i965 chipset has in common with the i945... ** | |
| [12:32:46] | Dibblah: | i965 has programmable shaders, effectively... |
| [12:33:20] | ** justinh drools a bit at Skulltrail. pure madness though ** | |
| [12:33:25] | Cougar: | blinx: it is clearly written in log that you don't have access to database. try to use the same userbane/password from cmd line |
| [12:33:49] | directhex: | justinh, hm? |
| [12:34:10] | Dibblah: | Skulltrail is an odd idea. |
| [12:34:26] | justinh: | directhex: dual cpu sockets, capable of taking core quad cpus |
| [12:34:41] | Dibblah: | And four PCIe x16 slots. |
| [12:34:42] | directhex: | justinh, so it's a xeon board with crossfire, then? |
| [12:34:54] | justinh: | fecknows what you just said |
| [12:34:57] | Dibblah: | ... In which you can only put 2 video cards. |
| [12:34:58] | blinx: | http://phpfi.com/294293 <- but why a fresh installation has problems with mysql? |
| [12:35:15] | Dibblah: | blinx: Which installation guide are you following? |
| [12:35:17] | directhex: | justinh, i remember the bp6 |
| [12:35:24] | Cougar: | I guess your MySQL is not properly set up |
| [12:35:25] | justinh: | crossfire – a game by Milton Bradley involving ball bearings ? |
| [12:35:32] | ** Dibblah feels like his stuck record impression :( ** | |
| [12:35:33] | blinx: | Cougar: my mysql is ok |
| [12:35:37] | directhex: | justinh, multi gpu rendering on ati cards. in windows |
| [12:35:43] | Cougar: | blackest: unknown database means that there is no database installed ;-) |
| [12:35:51] | justinh: | directhex: so still a load of balls then. ahhh right |
| [12:36:10] | directhex: | justinh, it's the ati equivalent to sli, minus linux support |
| [12:36:51] | blinx: | mysql -p -umythtv |
| [12:36:51] | blinx: | Enter password: |
| [12:36:51] | blinx: | Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g. |
| [12:36:52] | justinh: | like I said, a load of balls |
| [12:37:04] | blinx: | Cougar: you see, the manual login works |
| [12:38:02] | justinh: | take one very expensive graphics card into a system? not me! I'm so devoid of sense I bought two & linked them together to get the power of.. not much more than one |
| [12:38:31] | directhex: | justinh, scalability largely depends on the app. it can go pretty well |
| [12:38:54] | justinh: | 800 quid for graphics hardware sounds like money wasted to me |
| [12:39:19] | directhex: | justinh, also, on the latest nvidia platforms, you can do 3 cards. see http://thisistech.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/3sli_chart.PNG for some example benchmarks on 1,2,3x cards |
| [12:39:34] | justinh: | :-\ |
| [12:40:06] | directhex: | justinh, note: 4fps during heavy action is shite, hence desire for more |
| [12:40:12] | Cougar: | blinx: "use mythconverg;" |
| [12:40:18] | Cougar: | blinx: does this work too? |
| [12:40:41] | justinh: | even so |
| [12:40:51] | blinx: | mysql> use mythconverg; |
| [12:40:51] | blinx: | Database changed |
| [12:40:51] | blinx: | mysql> |
| [12:40:58] | blinx: | Cougar: and /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [12:41:03] | blinx: | has the right data! |
| [12:41:11] | Cougar: | this one is not needed afaik |
| [12:41:38] | Cougar: | .mythtv/mysql.txt is enough |
| [12:41:38] | blinx: | Cougar: where I should put the login data? |
| [12:41:59] | Cougar: | in user's own home dir |
| [12:42:21] | blinx: | ok |
| [12:42:23] | blinx: | and now? |
| [12:42:56] | Cougar: | if there is no such file your first frontend start let you create this |
| [12:43:03] | Cougar: | the easiest way to do it |
| [12:43:04] | blinx: | sec |
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| [12:43:06] | directhex: | justinh, games need moar mhz! |
| [12:43:39] | justinh: | games. pfft. :) |
| [12:43:45] | w2atefgo: | hi everybody |
| [12:43:57] | splAt1 is now known as splat1 | |
| [12:44:02] | directhex: | justdave, the above benches show 1.7tflops of graphics computing power still bottoms out at 14fps during heavy action :) |
| [12:44:06] | justinh: | I think I'm more of an old fart on Mondays than on any other day of the week. not saying much though :P |
| [12:44:17] | directhex: | bah |
| [12:44:19] | directhex: | justinh, |
| [12:44:22] | justinh: | directhex: maybe people need to write better code! |
| [12:44:29] | blinx: | now it works |
| [12:44:31] | blinx: | thx |
| [12:44:34] | Cougar: | yaw |
| [12:44:48] | directhex: | justinh, it's a decent engine, it just has lots to draw |
| [12:45:27] | justinh: | I realised a long time ago the futility in trying to play games on PCs |
| [12:45:37] | directhex: | justinh, how wise of you! |
| [12:45:55] | justinh: | £150 on a new VGA card? waste of money |
| [12:46:40] | directhex: | http://maxygames.no.sapo.pt/Crysis.jpg :) |
| [12:46:42] | justinh: | then again if it wasn't for the rapid obselescence of hardware & the fools who adopt it early, I'd be paying more for my kit |
| [12:47:17] | justinh: | effinelle |
| [12:48:29] | directhex: | crysis is, of course, an extreme |
| [12:48:31] | directhex: | but still |
| [12:48:51] | directhex: | see http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view . . . ation-Crysis for a review which comes close to your background levels of vitriol |
| [12:50:13] | justinh: | it sher looks mighty purdy, but at what cost? |
| [12:50:19] | blinx: | 2008-02–04 13:48:48.403 Connecting to backend server: localhost:6543 (try 1 of 1) |
| [12:50:22] | blinx: | 2008-02–04 13:48:48.403 Connection timed out. |
| [12:50:24] | blinx: | what is wrong? |
| [12:51:14] | justinh: | anyway like I said, fank gawd for the fools who buy into that high end too early. they make my life more bearable ;) |
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| [12:51:47] | justinh: | I'm probably just bitter cos I don't have four grand to waste on a gaming box too ;) |
| [12:51:53] | w2atefgo: | so I have been going nuts trying to figure out how to do this and decided to ask the more knowledgable people here, I have been trying to install mythtv on my desktop pc (running ubuntu) without much sucess, I dont have a capture card and want to use mythtv only media liberary (with streaming) and program listing on mythweb, the problem is that I cant seem to find a way to configure mythtv this way, any ideas? |
| [12:52:19] | justinh: | w2atefgo: you don't get any media streaming with mythtv other than tv. |
| [12:52:31] | justinh: | if you don't want tv, choose freevo or something |
| [12:52:58] | w2atefgo: | good you tell me that then |
| [12:53:49] | w2atefgo: | else I would just have continued to try |
| [12:55:08] | w2atefgo: | its kinda good news actually then, means it isnt just me being incompetent then :p |
| [12:55:57] | w2atefgo: | and I guess there is not a way to run mythweb as a standalone application then either? |
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| [12:56:12] | justinh: | nope |
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| [12:58:54] | w2atefgo: | but lets say I had a capture card, would I then be able to convert already recorded videos on-the-fly to flv so that I might stream to a browser with flash? |
| [12:59:18] | justinh: | why? |
| [12:59:21] | mchou: | sure, but why would you want to do that? |
| [12:59:32] | mchou: | flash is lame |
| [13:00:00] | justinh: | let's say that mythtv is not what you're looking for. that's easier |
| [13:00:07] | mchou: | lol |
| [13:00:08] | directhex: | justinh, i'll build you a gaming box for a meter 3.5k if you ask nicely! |
| [13:00:16] | directhex: | mere |
| [13:00:23] | directhex: | where did meter come from? O_o |
| [13:00:50] | mchou: | it's called "on the meter" :) |
| [13:01:18] | justinh: | I don't plan to spend much more than twice that for my next car damnit |
| [13:01:38] | justinh: | now if I didn't need a car... |
| [13:01:57] | w2atefgo: | yes but I only have a wii in my living room and all my videos are on a computer in another house (but on the same network using fiberlink), that is the reason why I wanted to stream with flv without first having to reencode videos to flv |
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| [13:02:09] | mchou: | dude, bicycles cost US$5K these days |
| [13:02:22] | mchou: | get a bike |
| [13:02:32] | mchou: | you'll be much better off |
| [13:02:41] | directhex: | the will is by a large margin bottom of the pile for myth interop |
| [13:02:44] | directhex: | wii |
| [13:02:49] | directhex: | gah, brain is broken today |
| [13:03:42] | blinx: | should I start mytvtv-setup as root? |
| [13:03:55] | w2atefgo: | well I thank you all for the information, now I will not waste any more time, since mythtv isnt what I am looking for do anyone have any other recommendations that might fit my need? (preferrably for linux, but I could use windows if necesarry too) |
| [13:03:57] | directhex: | blinx, generally, yes |
| [13:04:16] | directhex: | w2atefgo, i think the need to stream stuff as flv is a real corner case, i.e. i know nothing for the job |
| [13:04:24] | justinh: | people must really like the idea of having to wave their arms around to play recordings. I blame the linuxmce video |
| [13:04:37] | blinx: | directhex: now which tv card is the right one? |
| [13:04:44] | justinh: | to select a recording to play, do your best impression of Magnus Pike ! |
| [13:04:47] | blinx: | the list is not really clear :( |
| [13:04:49] | directhex: | blinx, the one that matches what you have |
| [13:05:12] | mzb: | how do I regenerate the thumbnail for a movie after it's been cut? I've noticed that many of my archived DVD's have incorrect thumbnails, taken from the cut section. |
| [13:05:28] | directhex: | mzb, in mythweb? |
| [13:05:39] | mzb: | err .. no |
| [13:05:48] | mzb: | for mytharchive |
| [13:05:54] | mchou: | lol |
| [13:06:10] | mchou: | directhex being clueless as usual |
| [13:06:18] | mzb: | I;ve tried deleting the thumbnail, but that didn't seem to work (iirc) |
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| [13:06:38] | justinh: | it doesn't use the thumbnails. it makes its own |
| [13:06:43] | w2atefgo: | hehe I know, but wii being the cheapest consol (and I being a student with a big loan) I ended up with that one and now I am trying to get the most out of it (I have always wanted a media center) |
| [13:07:20] | mzb: | hmm ... I had thought that originally ... but almost all the archived DVDs have "bad" thumbnails |
| [13:07:21] | mchou: | the thubmails agre genearated by dividint the recording into equal segments |
| [13:07:27] | directhex: | w2atefgo, the wii is not a media center. a 360 arcade would have been a better choice for the same money, if that was your goal |
| [13:07:37] | mzb: | ah .. not for the mythcentre one |
| [13:07:46] | justinh: | mchou: sixty five miles a day? no thanks! |
| [13:07:48] | mzb: | (single preview, autoplay) |
| [13:07:56] | mchou: | mzb: I dunno what your problem is |
| [13:08:09] | w2atefgo: | yes but at the time I bought (360 was twice the price of wii and ps3 wasnt even released yet) |
| [13:08:17] | mchou: | justinh: 65 miles a day is nothing on a bike |
| [13:08:33] | mchou: | I do 50 miles per day on a bike |
| [13:08:36] | w2atefgo: | but I will try to search for alternative solutions, I am sure google has some suggestions |
| [13:08:40] | mchou: | 25 miles each way |
| [13:08:51] | directhex: | w2atefgo, in which region? the 360 has several models, the low-end model has always been within a few quid of the wii |
| [13:08:58] | mzb: | mchou: haven't I been clear enough? |
| [13:08:59] | mchou: | and I'm fitter than a fiddle |
| [13:09:19] | justinh: | mchou: still, fuck that. better things to do with my time |
| [13:09:25] | mchou: | mzb: it's not about clarity. My archived recordings have no such issues |
| [13:09:27] | w2atefgo: | europe |
| [13:09:35] | w2atefgo: | scandinavia |
| [13:09:52] | mchou: | justinh: think of it this way: it beats going to the gym |
| [13:10:16] | mzb: | mchou: ok, thanks. I'll see if I can track it down someday. |
| [13:10:21] | mchou: | justinh: which you need to do if you dont get exercise in other ways |
| [13:10:54] | justinh: | and if cycling 65 miles a day made me as sanctimonious as you I'd kill myself |
| [13:11:17] | mchou: | what's santimonious got to do with it? |
| [13:11:22] | justinh: | don't go to the gym either. life's way too short |
| [13:11:39] | mchou: | it will be shorter if you dont get exercise |
| [13:12:00] | mzb: | makes me wonder if *not* viewing the "Recorded" link on mythweb is related |
| [13:12:01] | w2atefgo: | besides freevo any other solution I might look into to see if I can accomplish my goal? |
| [13:12:05] | mchou: | self fulfilling prophecy, all that jazz |
| [13:12:33] | mchou: | w2atefgo: sigh. stop bothering us, will ya? |
| [13:12:43] | directhex: | w2atefgo, freevo isn't designed for your goal. i'm not aware of anything for linux that is |
| [13:12:50] | mchou: | w2atefgo: you havent told us why you like flv so much |
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| [13:13:31] | w2atefgo: | oh I am sorry then, I will not bother you anymore, it was never my intention just that I didnt know where else to ask |
| [13:13:58] | w2atefgo: | and it is not that I like flv so much, it is that it is the only way to stream a video too the wii |
| [13:14:08] | mchou: | lol |
| [13:14:13] | justinh: | anyway I don't need to listen to anybody telling me what I need to do. it's my life :P |
| [13:14:54] | ** directhex suggests other people apply the same /ignore he has ** | |
| [13:14:55] | mchou: | w2atefgo: why the hell you need to watch recorded tv on a wii is beyond me |
| [13:15:10] | w2atefgo: | well thanks for all the help :) At least I have made some progress |
| [13:16:29] | directhex: | w2atefgo, like i said, it's a REAL corner case. most streaming solutions are for UPnP, not flash 'n' web |
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| [13:17:50] | w2atefgo: | because I have an old tv and a wii here (no cable, sat or over the air channels) and my computer is in a neighbour house (where all my video are), luckely both the wii and my computer is in the same network so I was hoping to get some more entertainment here, but it seems like I am out of luck |
| [13:17:59] | w2atefgo: | I will look for other ways to entertain myself |
| [13:18:02] | DustyBin: | after lots of research i think im going to go for this TV for mythtv: Panasonic TX-32LXD700 32" |
| [13:18:05] | w2atefgo: | maybe reading a book |
| [13:18:08] | w2atefgo: | or actually having a girl over |
| [13:18:09] | w2atefgo: | :p |
| [13:18:16] | gambler: | can someone help me with getting lirc setup? I will pay u |
| [13:18:22] | gambler: | i hate lirc |
| [13:18:29] | mchou: | lol |
| [13:18:42] | mchou: | gambler: all in? |
| [13:18:49] | gambler: | thats me |
| [13:18:54] | mchou: | lol |
| [13:19:00] | directhex: | DustyBin, why that set? |
| [13:19:12] | mchou: | gambler: what's the stakes? |
| [13:19:32] | gambler: | i game select 2–4 to 10–20 nl |
| [13:19:32] | DustyBin: | directhex: ive researched the internet, all i can see is good reviews, i went to John Lewis shop and spoke to some people and they also said its a good TV |
| [13:19:34] | w2atefgo: | thanks guys, have a nice monday (as if thats possible) |
| [13:19:53] | DustyBin: | directhex: in real life it has a really nice picture and looks nice |
| [13:19:54] | mchou: | gambler: dude, dont be cheap |
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| [13:20:13] | directhex: | DustyBin, seems to have a good spec, other than the res, but that can't be fixed until you look at 37" or more |
| [13:20:52] | DustyBin: | directhex: this TV is for my bedroom only, for my living room i would look at something bigger |
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| [13:21:10] | directhex: | DustyBin, no pixel mapping via digital, if you care |
| [13:21:29] | gambler: | mchou, what u talkin about willis |
| [13:21:35] | mchou: | DustyBin: that's probably a decent enough choice unless you have an extremely large bedroom |
| [13:21:39] | DustyBin: | directhex: that TV has no 1:1 pixel mapping? |
| [13:21:49] | justinh: | how many TVs DO?! |
| [13:22:01] | directhex: | DustyBin, not via digital, no. at a guess, it only allows 720p or 1080i over digital, neither of which is the native res |
| [13:22:09] | directhex: | DustyBin, supported via vga though |
| [13:22:15] | DustyBin: | directhex: that is bad for mythtv, shit |
| [13:22:21] | directhex: | justinh, plenty! |
| [13:22:29] | directhex: | justinh, just not that many 1366x768 ones |
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| [13:23:11] | justinh: | wouldn't lose any sleep over 1:1 pixel mapping anyway. I like my TV without thin bands at the edges ta |
| [13:23:14] | DustyBin: | does no 1:1 pixel mapping mean jerky mythtv |
| [13:23:31] | directhex: | DustyBin, no, it means multiple scalers |
| [13:23:54] | DustyBin: | i dont think any TVs in the 32" range have 1:1 pixel mapping |
| [13:23:58] | directhex: | DustyBin, via digital, you need to run myth at 1280x720. so tv signal comes in, gets scaled to 1280x720, goes to tv, gets scaled again to 1366x768 |
| [13:24:11] | directhex: | DustyBin, leads to blurry text on small fonts |
| [13:24:11] | justinh: | directhex: minus overscan! |
| [13:24:17] | DustyBin: | jeeze |
| [13:24:28] | gambler: | please someone help me get my retarded leadtek winfast tv 2000 expert configured |
| [13:24:29] | directhex: | very recent samsungs do pixel mapping over digital on smaller sets |
| [13:24:36] | gambler: | all i care about is getting this retarded remote control working |
| [13:24:40] | gambler: | so i can listen to my music |
| [13:24:45] | directhex: | most lgs do |
| [13:24:48] | justinh: | wow my ignore list is getting busy today |
| [13:25:03] | DustyBin: | i better go back to the drawing board then :-O |
| [13:25:13] | directhex: | some tosh |
| [13:25:25] | DustyBin: | the guy in john lewis didnt even know what pixel mapping was |
| [13:25:40] | directhex: | DustyBin, get a laptop with dvi out, set it to 1366x768, and invade john lewis |
| [13:25:51] | directhex: | or 1360x768, more commonly |
| [13:25:53] | justinh: | if they didn't know there, they wouldn't in Currys or Comet |
| [13:26:23] | DustyBin: | ok |
| [13:26:30] | directhex: | 1366 not being divisible by 8, is rarely accepted via external inputs |
| [13:26:55] | DustyBin: | the other TV what was recommended to me in John Lewis was: Sony KDL-32D3000 32" |
| [13:27:07] | mchou: | sigh..... |
| [13:27:31] | mchou: | why pay the extra sony premium? |
| [13:27:51] | directhex: | ENODATA |
| [13:27:53] | DustyBin: | i dont care about brand or money, i just want something what looks good with computer sending information to it |
| [13:28:04] | directhex: | vga is fine, tbh |
| [13:28:33] | gambler: | can someone look at a list of cards for me and tell me if any of them will work well with linux |
| [13:28:34] | directhex: | but it ties up your vga port, which makes hooking up a dreamcast a pain! |
| [13:28:54] | gambler: | all i care about is that gay remote control |
| [13:29:00] | directhex: | gambler, linuxtv has a wiki, if it's digital. ivtv-driver for mpeg encoder. anything else is garbage |
| [13:29:12] | mchou: | directhex: kvm solves that problem |
| [13:29:40] | mchou: | what does linuxtv have to do with lirc? |
| [13:29:45] | mchou: | lol |
| [13:29:48] | justinh: | anyway who GAF about teeny fonts all ablur? not that you can fecking read 2pt text from an armchair distance away |
| [13:29:59] | mchou: | directhex is on the sauce again |
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| [13:32:53] | mchou: | justinh: sometimes you might need to read subtitles |
| [13:33:16] | mchou: | foreign flicks, etc. |
| [13:33:41] | gambler: | mchou, if i buy a new card will it work with lirc |
| [13:33:52] | DustyBin: | the Sony KDL-32D3000 32" supports 1:1 pixel mapping over digital |
| [13:34:08] | gambler: | mchou, directhex, i have a digitech windows media remote control i bought from an electronics store |
| [13:34:13] | mchou: | gambler: there is no reason why the winfast card wouldnt work with lirc |
| [13:34:14] | gambler: | it registers a keyboard device |
| [13:34:33] | gambler: | can i somehow turn that into a lirc device |
| [13:34:49] | mchou: | gambler: so why would you need lirc if it acts as a keyboard? |
| [13:35:09] | mchou: | if it acts as keyboard you dont need lirc |
| [13:35:15] | gambler: | mchou, well i want to be able to use the mplayer and audacious lirc plugin |
| [13:35:30] | mchou: | huh?? |
| [13:35:53] | mchou: | mplayer doesnt work with keyboard? |
| [13:36:08] | gambler: | i guess mplayer does but the only buttons that work are 1–9 |
| [13:36:18] | gambler: | how do i get the other keys working |
| [13:36:26] | gambler: | and how do i get FF rewind working, etc etc |
| [13:36:41] | mchou: | show us a pic of this digitech remote control |
| [13:37:39] | mchou: | and then tell us what keys (in console) FF/REW displays |
| [13:38:12] | gambler: | http://jaycar.com.au/productResults.asp?which . . . mp;priceMax= |
| [13:38:18] | gambler: | first one on the list |
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| [13:39:04] | mchou: | I dont see what the poblem is |
| [13:39:07] | gambler: | in console FF RW shows nothing |
| [13:39:10] | mchou: | problem* |
| [13:39:41] | mchou: | you say the remote shows up as a keyboard device in linux, correct? |
| [13:39:53] | gambler: | yep |
| [13:40:08] | gambler: | i think so...im not an expert in these matters |
| [13:40:17] | mchou: | sigh..... |
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| [13:40:47] | gambler: | mchou, im pretty sure 1 sec |
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| [13:42:42] | gambler: | this is it's line item in lsusb |
| [13:42:43] | gambler: | Bus 004 Device 002: ID 1241:e000 Belkin |
| [13:43:09] | mchou: | lol |
| [13:43:18] | mchou: | it's a belkin rebrand |
| [13:43:50] | gambler: | is that good or bad |
| [13:45:07] | mchou: | what does "xsetpointer -l" say? |
| [13:45:36] | mchou: | heh, I think I know how that remote works |
| [13:45:37] | gambler: | No XInput extension available... |
| [13:45:43] | mchou: | lol |
| [13:45:58] | mchou: | you running x or what? |
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| [13:46:11] | gambler: | yep...im on a vnc session to the box in my lviing room |
| [13:46:19] | gambler: | do i need to run it from the main xserver |
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| [13:46:41] | gambler: | ill run down and see |
| [13:46:42] | mchou: | run it on the main box |
| [13:47:02] | mchou: | not off some stupid vnc session |
| [13:48:20] | gambler: | [tv@apollo ~]$ xsetpointer -l |
| [13:48:21] | gambler: | "<default pointer>" [XPointer] |
| [13:48:21] | gambler: | "Keyboard0" [XKeyboard] |
| [13:48:50] | mchou: | I think I know how that remote works |
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| [13:49:06] | gambler: | pls elaborate |
| [13:49:18] | mchou: | it sends extended windows keyboard scan codes |
| [13:49:46] | justinh: | DustyBin: 3x HDMI. nice |
| [13:50:03] | gambler: | mchou, so how do i figure out what those scan codes are... |
| [13:50:11] | gambler: | mode2 wont do it |
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| [13:50:45] | mchou: | at console session "showkeys -s", star pressing remote keys randomly |
| [13:50:50] | mchou: | start* |
| [13:51:00] | gambler: | brb |
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| [13:59:37] | gambler: | mchou, |
| [13:59:44] | gambler: | ok i generated a keyscan.log file |
| [13:59:51] | gambler: | that shows each key in sequence |
| [14:00:32] | gambler: | the first 4 codes are: 0x9c |
| [14:00:32] | gambler: | 0x1d 0x14 |
| [14:00:32] | gambler: | 0x9d 0x94 |
| [14:00:32] | gambler: | 0x38 0x3e |
| [14:00:32] | gambler: | 0xb8 0xbe |
| [14:00:55] | mchou: | dude, I dont care what the codes are |
| [14:01:09] | mchou: | I just care it generated keyscan codes |
| [14:01:14] | gambler: | ah ok |
| [14:01:20] | mchou: | works like I surmised |
| [14:01:35] | mchou: | you're home free. |
| [14:01:39] | mchou: | enjoy |
| [14:01:40] | mchou: | :) |
| [14:01:46] | mchou: | no lirc needed |
| [14:01:59] | gambler: | so how do i map codes to functionality in appplications |
| [14:03:13] | mchou: | for myth it's easy |
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| [14:03:42] | mchou: | install the keyboard event plugin or whatever it's called these days |
| [14:04:02] | mchou: | just start mapping keys in that UI |
| [14:04:34] | gambler: | ok...does myth use mplayer as the backend? Im used to being able to play any video file |
| [14:04:43] | mchou: | sigh. |
| [14:04:54] | mchou: | myth DOES NOT USE mplayer |
| [14:05:09] | DustyBin: | justinh: the only problem, its Sony.. i really didnt want to buy anything 'Sony' |
| [14:05:21] | gambler: | mchou, can i map those codes to mplayer |
| [14:05:24] | mchou: | DustyBin: good choice |
| [14:05:45] | DustyBin: | i dont like all the stuff what the Bravo chips do either |
| [14:05:45] | mchou: | DustyBin: dont give any money to those DRM scammers |
| [14:05:45] | gambler: | thats all i wanted to do anyway...that and audacious are what i use in my living room for listening/watching things |
| [14:05:50] | DustyBin: | yep |
| [14:06:02] | sid3windr: | [04|15:04:51] < mchou> myth DOES NOT USE mplayer |
| [14:06:05] | sid3windr: | mine does! |
| [14:06:07] | ** sid3windr ducks ** | |
| [14:06:29] | gambler: | whats wrong with mplayer...they seem like cool hungarian PLAYAs |
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| [14:09:13] | gambler2: | just download it from some technoid off the internet |
| [14:09:45] | gambler2: | the mythical gods must have smote me down for my blasphemy |
| [14:10:38] | mchou: | gambler: where's my payment? |
| [14:10:46] | mchou: | you said all in |
| [14:12:49] | gambler2: | mchou, get it working with mplayer and ill give u $100 |
| [14:12:49] | gambler2: | mplayer and audacious |
| [14:13:38] | gambler2: | mchou, or my leadtek remote...either one i couldnt care less |
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| [14:16:08] | mchou: | gambler: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Multimedia_Keys |
| [14:16:15] | mchou: | where's my $100? |
| [14:20:05] | gambler3: | ok that might be useful...but it might also f up my existing keyboard. |
| [14:20:11] | gambler3: | ill experiment with it |
| [14:20:13] | mchou: | nope |
| [14:20:27] | gambler3: | u get your dolla once i cofnirm it works |
| [14:20:28] | mchou: | it wont fsck your existing kb at all |
| [14:20:39] | gambler3: | u on here most nites |
| [14:20:58] | gambler3: | i can tfr to you at most major poker sites |
| [14:21:04] | gambler3: | u have an account anywhere |
| [14:21:30] | mchou: | nah. dont believe in paypal :) |
| [14:21:51] | gambler3: | paypal..no one uses that |
| [14:21:59] | gambler3: | create an account at full tilt poker.com |
| [14:22:03] | gambler3: | i will hook u up there |
| [14:22:07] | mchou: | bah |
| [14:22:20] | gambler3: | IF it works |
| [14:22:24] | mchou: | those poker places worse than paypal man |
| [14:22:38] | gambler3: | worse how |
| [14:22:45] | mchou: | run by the mob |
| [14:23:07] | gambler3: | nah, alot of them are massive publically listed companies now |
| [14:23:16] | mchou: | at least when paypal fleeces ya, it's done professionally :) |
| [14:23:19] | gambler3: | on the london stock exchange |
| [14:23:30] | gambler3: | they wont fleece you |
| [14:23:45] | gambler3: | its pretty reputable...this isnt las vegas in the 1960s |
| [14:24:01] | mchou: | lol, could have fooled me |
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| [14:24:15] | mchou: | look at the ppl running the poker sites |
| [14:24:28] | mchou: | full mob connections |
| [14:24:33] | gambler3: | like who |
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| [14:26:08] | mchou: | maybe not at ftp, but plenty of other places |
| [14:26:27] | gambler3: | so dont play at small sites |
| [14:26:41] | gambler3: | the big ones FTP partypoker pokerstars are pretty reputable |
| [14:27:59] | mchou: | http://www.onlinepoker.dk/nyheder/nyheder.asp?id=976 |
| [14:29:16] | gambler3: | yah like im a professional player man and i ve never even heard of that site |
| [14:29:22] | gambler3: | thats how far off my radar it is |
| [14:29:48] | mchou: | gambler: just verify it works, then we pm each other |
| [14:29:59] | mchou: | maybe you can gimme some poker tips |
| [14:30:10] | mchou: | :) |
| [14:30:19] | mchou: | get your $100 back :) |
| [14:31:07] | mchou: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5326602.stm |
| [14:31:17] | mchou: | same dealio |
| [14:31:27] | gambler3: | only problem is i will charge you $500/hr |
| [14:31:31] | gambler3: | otherwise good idea |
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| [14:33:02] | azop: | is there a way to set 'video mode' to 'progressive' by default? |
| [14:33:09] | azop: | I have to change it everytime I watch live tv |
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| [14:34:58] | sid3windr: | :nr 49 |
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| [14:39:22] | gbee: | azop: should be detected automatically from the video |
| [14:42:01] | azop: | gbee: it's set as 'automatic' |
| [14:42:14] | azop: | but the OSD and program guide are all out of sync |
| [14:42:29] | azop: | and the only wya to fix that is to change video mode -> Progressive |
| [14:42:51] | gbee: | odd, this 0.20? |
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| [14:52:59] | quicksilver: | not too shabby: http://www.prcdirect.co.uk/showproduct.php?cd . . . ppQgodiA9vdw |
| [14:53:05] | quicksilver: | true 1080p for GBP 770 |
| [14:54:09] | siXy: | assuming peoplesrepublicofchinadirect is a legit shop, thats not to bad, no :) |
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| [14:55:13] | azop: | gbee: trunk |
| [14:56:08] | gbee: | azop: ok, probably a bug – mind filing a ticket? Won't help with your problem immediately, but in the long term it means it will get fixed for everyone |
| [14:56:14] | azop: | sure |
| [14:56:25] | azop: | where to? |
| [14:56:33] | quicksilver: | siXy: true enough. You can get it for 8xx from more conventional shops like amazon, too. |
| [14:56:59] | gbee: | http://svn.mythtv.org |
| [14:59:16] | gbee: | new ticket link is in the menu bar at the top right |
| [15:00:02] | azop: | okay thanks |
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| [15:20:00] | fuhgawz: | hi |
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| [15:28:20] | cal: | video freezes every now and then... when it does, i see this in the log: RingBuf(/myth/tv/1044_20080204090000.mpg): Waited 2.0 seconds for data to become available... |
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| [15:38:36] | blinx: | http://phpfi.com/294344 <- where I can check if the backend is configured in the right way? |
| [15:48:48] | fuhgawz: | hi |
| [15:48:58] | Dagmar: | See if you can watch TV |
| [15:49:12] | blinx: | Dagmar: I always get this error |
| [15:49:21] | blinx: | and the channel search is not available |
| [15:49:26] | blinx: | I get this error |
| [15:49:59] | blinx: | I have a channels.conf. can I copy it to the mythtv directory? |
| [15:50:11] | fuhgawz: | im setting up a mythtv box but i live in the dominican republic |
| [15:50:36] | Dagmar: | blinx: You should read the documentation so that you will actually know you need to have the database server running |
| [15:50:53] | fuhgawz: | we dont have a listing service so im gonna need to create one |
| [15:50:57] | blinx: | database is working |
| [15:51:20] | fuhgawz: | its there documentation about creating a custom listing service |
| [15:51:22] | fuhgawz: | ? |
| [15:51:33] | fuhgawz: | i cant find i |
| [15:51:35] | fuhgawz: | it |
| [15:52:00] | Dagmar: | blinx: Sez you |
| [15:52:22] | Dagmar: | blinz: Lemme make this 100% clear for you |
| [15:52:48] | Dagmar: | By what you pasted, either your database server IS NOT RUNNING, or you have screwed up and put 127.0.0.1 in as the address of the database server when you should have put in 'localhost' |
| [15:54:26] | blinx: | Dagmar: now I'm in the mythtv-setup dialog |
| [15:54:33] | blinx: | Dagmar: the database works |
| [15:54:35] | gbee: | fuhgawz: we use a standard known as xmltv, you should look at the xmltv.org website and speak to people in the xmltv mailing lists |
| [15:55:01] | gbee: | fuhgawz: http://xmltv.org/wiki/ |
| [15:55:46] | azop: | I know in -trunk you can watch recordings with flash player and a ASX stream...but is it possible to watch live tv using the same method? |
| [15:56:14] | blinx: | shit mythtv, it crashes every time when I want to add a new tv card.... |
| [15:58:17] | gbee: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TicketHowTo |
| [15:58:29] | blinx: | 2008-02–04 16:58:19.895 New DB connection, total: 1 |
| [15:58:30] | blinx: | 2008-02–04 16:58:19.900 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost |
| [15:58:33] | blinx: | 2008-02–04 16:58:19.902 Current Schema Version: 1160 |
| [15:58:35] | blinx: | Starting up as the master server. |
| [15:59:04] | Dagmar: | So don't add tuners with the backend running. |
| [15:59:07] | Dagmar: | :| |
| [15:59:16] | blinx: | Dagmar: but the DB works |
| [15:59:25] | blinx: | now sudo mythtv-setup, ok? |
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| [16:00:42] | blinx: | I have a saa7146 based card, buget-av module of kernel is used |
| [16:00:53] | blinx: | now which type I should use? |
| [16:01:06] | blinx: | DVB DTV TV-Card (v3.x)? |
| [16:02:30] | directhex: | digital tv? yes |
| [16:02:48] | blinx: | any additional config option? no, ok |
| [16:03:02] | blinx: | now the card is added |
| [16:03:06] | blinx: | video sources |
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| [16:03:22] | blinx: | needed? I have EPG, then step 4. links |
| [16:03:50] | directhex: | EVERY step is required |
| [16:04:05] | blinx: | k |
| [16:04:12] | blinx: | xmltv grabbers... |
| [16:04:45] | Dagmar: | I find life is easier if I drop an ignore match into my client at the first whiff of "doesn't read instructions" |
| [16:04:59] | blinx: | germany here, so europe-west? |
| [16:05:17] | blinx: | Dagmar: the thing is why it can't work as easy as kaffeine? |
| [16:05:29] | blinx: | Dagmar: I did the mythtv-setup 7 times today! |
| [16:05:45] | Dagmar: | Because it's a fsckton more complex than Kaffiene |
| [16:05:56] | Dagmar: | ...and it doesn't matter how many times you ran mythtv-setup if you do it wrong every time |
| [16:06:04] | blinx: | and there is no INSTRUCTION where I can find out which "Card" of 10 models I have |
| [16:06:08] | Dagmar: | This is reality. You don't get points for just trying real hard. |
| [16:06:13] | blinx: | never heard about this names.. |
| [16:06:14] | Dagmar: | HHAAH |
| [16:06:21] | Dagmar: | No instructions... LOL |
| [16:06:28] | blinx: | Dagmar: give me a link |
| [16:06:39] | Dagmar: | http://www.google.com |
| [16:06:58] | blinx: | a link to THE STEP BY STEP GUIDE WHICH WORKS! |
| [16:07:05] | Dagmar: | More specifically, http://www.google.com/search?q=saa7146+linux |
| [16:07:56] | blinx: | and now? |
| [16:07:58] | Dagmar: | There is also http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_Mythtv |
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| [16:08:17] | blinx: | e, official install guide (outdated) |
| [16:08:18] | blinx: | nice |
| [16:08:29] | Dagmar: | Yep, that means you have to use your brain. |
| [16:08:33] | fuhgawz: | thanks |
| [16:08:48] | blinx: | MySQL -> works |
| [16:08:52] | Dagmar: | If you can't tell whether or not you need to do a step in the guide, then you need to read more. |
| [16:08:56] | blinx: | IvTV driver packages not needed |
| [16:09:16] | blinx: | Open up XTerm and run the MythTV Setup program: mythtv-setup |
| [16:09:17] | blinx: | After configuring MythTV, you can start the MythTV Backend: |
| [16:09:23] | blinx: | and what I have to do there? |
| [16:09:39] | blinx: | steps 1.-4.? ok, I did it 7 times WITH MY BRAIN! |
| [16:09:43] | Dagmar: | Unless you're running Little Timmy Linux or something, there's bound to be a link you can use that doesn't say "(outdated)" at the end of that same sentence |
| [16:09:51] | Dagmar: | You probably need to get that replaced then. |
| [16:09:57] | blinx: | Dagmar: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Debian_Etch :) |
| [16:10:00] | blinx: | wow |
| [16:10:19] | blinx: | but only the last third part of this page is about the installation |
| [16:10:40] | blinx: | Starting MythTV <- only this part |
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| [16:15:43] | blinx: | now the nice part: search channels |
| [16:15:58] | blinx: | I already have a fresh channels.conf but mythtv has "problems" to read it |
| [16:16:09] | blinx: | and all other options do not work |
| [16:16:25] | blinx: | 008-02–04 17:13:18.869 DVBChan(0) Error: Tune(): Failed to setup DiSEqC devices |
| [16:16:28] | blinx: | 2008-02–04 17:13:18.872 DiSEqCDevTree, Error: No root device tree node! |
| [16:17:55] | blinx: | 2008-02–04 17:17:47.376 Failed to handle tune complete. |
| [16:18:35] | directhex: | blinx, you're using satellite? |
| [16:18:46] | blinx: | and the mode: "scan on all transponders, works, clearly, 3%" If I would believe mythtv I will sit here tomorrow.. |
| [16:18:49] | blinx: | directhex: yes |
| [16:18:52] | blinx: | dvb.s |
| [16:18:56] | blinx: | astra 19,2 E |
| [16:19:16] | blinx: | strange that I can't choose a transponder in the empty list... |
| [16:19:56] | directhex: | i have no dvb-s experience yet, but i think you need to make sure in the card config that myth is aware of your diseqc config (or lack of it) |
| [16:20:20] | blinx: | directhex: i have no diseqc! |
| [16:22:22] | blinx: | directhex: and why it does not want my channels.conf? |
| [16:22:43] | directhex: | channels.conf misses a number of required details and should not be used for digital tv |
| [16:22:50] | blinx: | ah |
| [16:22:53] | blinx: | ok |
| [16:23:02] | blinx: | which scan method you can recommend? |
| [16:23:37] | blinx: | no one? |
| [16:23:38] | blinx: | ok |
| [16:24:33] | blinx: | full search (tuned) ? |
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| [16:27:57] | psm321_: | does myth use glib/gtk anywhere? |
| [16:28:11] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [16:28:21] | psm321_: | I get "GLib-ERROR **: The thread system is not yet initialized." whenever i try to watch a recording or live tv |
| [16:28:24] | psm321_: | this is on os x |
| [16:28:30] | cal: | any ideas on video freezes i get every now and then... when it does, i see this in the log: RingBuf(/myth/tv/1044_20080204090000.mpg): Waited 2.0 seconds for data to become available... |
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| [16:28:58] | GreyFoxx: | psm321: sounds like a glibc error, it' |
| [16:28:59] | blinx: | how I can add the transponders to the list?! |
| [16:29:09] | GreyFoxx: | s not graphics/widget related |
| [16:29:33] | psm321_: | GreyFoxx: i'm pretty sure glib != glibc |
| [16:29:53] | psm321_: | "GLib is a lower-level library that provides many useful definitions and functions available for use when creating GDK and GTK applications." |
| [16:29:59] | GreyFoxx: | I know, but the error you are seeing, despite the lack of a C looks like a glibc error |
| [16:30:07] | psm321_: | hmm |
| [16:30:36] | psm321_: | the only reference that had an answer that i could find said it was the result of not calling gtk.thread_init() |
| [16:30:41] | psm321_: | i'll keeping looking though |
| [16:30:42] | psm321_: | thanks |
| [16:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | actually we are linking against glib afterall |
| [16:31:12] | GreyFoxx: | we do not however use gtk |
| [16:31:35] | psm321_: | ok |
| [16:31:41] | blinx: | please! |
| [16:32:13] | blinx: | 2008-02–04 17:32:01.700 DVBChan(0) Error: Tune(): Failed to setup DiSEqC devices |
| [16:32:23] | blinx: | I never said something about DISEQ |
| [16:34:14] | blinx: | what I have to change? |
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| [16:35:03] | iamlindoro__: | You need to be more patient. When someone knows you answer and feels like answering you, they will. It's a lot less likely you'll get an answer if you nag, though |
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| [16:35:59] | blinx: | wow |
| [16:36:01] | blinx: | it works |
| [16:36:21] | blinx: | but I have only a few channels |
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| [16:37:08] | blinx: | ah, full transponder search |
| [16:39:32] | psm321_: | GreyFoxx: do you happen to have any idea what part uses glib? |
| [16:39:52] | Knopit: | I'd like to change the keybinding / mousebutton bindings for my fancy new Gyration mouse. |
| [16:41:15] | Knopit: | xmodmap -pk returns infor about the current mappings, but I can't find a xmodmap config file in either Kunbuntu or Knoppmyth |
| [16:41:31] | Knopit: | Any thoughts? |
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| [16:42:57] | Knopit: | is Xmodmap as a method of mapping been deprecated? |
| [16:43:14] | Knopit: | *has |
| [16:45:27] | Knopit: | *err-- Kubuntu |
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| [16:50:24] | robbins61: | Never forget...the giants beat the patriots in the superbowl. THANK GOD! |
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| [16:51:25] | Knopit: | robbins61: Cheaters never prosper |
| [16:51:55] | robbins61: | i'm so glad the patriots lost |
| [16:52:01] | robbins61: | totally blew it. |
| [16:52:09] | robbins61: | on the verge of becoming the "greatest team of all time" and they blew it |
| [16:52:17] | robbins61: | i'm so glad they did, so i didn't have to hear about it for the rest of my life |
| [16:53:07] | Knopit: | robbins61: Giants played well! They deserved the win. |
| [16:53:25] | robbins61: | for sure...that's a nice second prize. the grand prize, however, is that the patriots lost. |
| [16:53:34] | fedorared: | How to edit the backend server host name for the Mac OS X frontend? |
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| [16:54:55] | Knopit: | robbins61: ok, ok, down with the patriots — will Geiselle (sp) dump Brady now? |
| [16:58:09] | robbins61: | i hope his whole life is ruined |
| [16:58:28] | robbins61: | remember like 2 years ago...he's like, i've won 3 superbowls and i can't help but think there's got to be something bigger than this |
| [16:58:34] | robbins61: | well, tom, there was...and you blew it |
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| [17:06:17] | blinx: | Error: RingBuffer '/home/benny/tv/11020_20080204180610.mpg' not open... |
| [17:06:22] | blinx: | how can I fix that? |
| [17:06:36] | blinx: | I deleted this file and now mythtv want it there :/ |
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| [17:10:06] | fedorared: | Woo frontend via wifi. Yay using all the bandwidth. |
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| [17:56:11] | justinh: | FFS. had a crap day to end all crap days, now I find out we have to watch my wife's friend's kids while she swans off to London for the night with her paedophile husband. oh and I have to cook for them. thanks! |
| [17:56:34] | directhex: | make them a vindaloo, for your own dark amusement |
| [17:58:01] | justinh: | wife's friend 'has needs' apparently. needs which nicely overlook the fact her hubby has an order prohibiting him from visiting the house, let alone bedding down there. I feel sorry for the kids being caught up in it but I just don't see why we have to get involved |
| [17:58:21] | justinh: | rrrrr |
| [17:58:59] | ** justinh takes a bottle of chill pills ** | |
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| [18:01:43] | justinh: | not even march & I already feel like I need to take a long holiday |
| [18:02:44] | directhex: | i hear turkmenistan is lovely this time of year |
| [18:02:53] | directhex: | avoid the lake district, i got stuck up a mountain on saturday |
| [18:04:34] | justinh: | the whole thing is beyond mental. the wife's daughter by another relationship accused her husband of inappropriate er.. touching (allegedly), so no smoke without fire (maybe) and he gets kicked out. madness ensues from him being stupid enough to go back to somebody who accused him (if untrue) and for her for being crazy enough to let him back in (if true). either way it's so unbelievably messed up it could be a soap |
| [18:04:59] | justinh: | got stuck on a mountain? scary! |
| [18:05:14] | directhex: | indeed! |
| [18:05:23] | directhex: | had to get pushed by some guys who were sledding down the road |
| [18:05:36] | directhex: | and did a u-turn and got the fuck out of there! |
| [18:05:37] | justinh: | anyway said woman is also attending a job interview tomorrow so with any luck she'll get it & feck off |
| [18:05:57] | justinh: | I have everything crossed! |
| [18:06:01] | directhex: | that stretch of road is locally termed "the struggle" |
| [18:06:04] | directhex: | even on the road signs |
| [18:06:06] | justinh: | oof |
| [18:06:18] | directhex: | oh, and the sledding guys' land rover was stuck further up |
| [18:06:49] | justinh: | I had to turn around going down a snowbound hill the other year – the snowplough in front got stuck |
| [18:06:57] | directhex: | :| |
| [18:07:08] | directhex: | shit up north be whack, yo' |
| [18:07:15] | justinh: | indeed |
| [18:08:03] | justinh: | ended up going the other way down another hill, which luckily turned out to be cleared on one side.. just before going into a ditch at godknows what miles an hour in free skid mode |
| [18:08:29] | justinh: | er.. narrowly avoiding the ditch by hitting tarmac, I mean |
| [18:08:41] | justinh: | so was it a bit of a white-out at the weekend? |
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| [18:09:12] | Kazan: | janneg you there? |
| [18:09:34] | directhex: | imagine http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=kir . . . =17&om=0 but all white. that's where i got stuck |
| [18:11:24] | directhex: | or http://www.flickr.com/photos/mhowells/1726243227/ |
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| [18:12:04] | momelod: | greetings chanel. |
| [18:12:11] | directhex: | ooh! the beeb wins! it was just like http://www.bbc.co.uk/cumbria/content/image_ga . . . ery.shtml?19 |
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| [18:14:43] | niter3: | ciao.. how is everyone this fine shittday mondya? |
| [18:14:44] | niter3: | :) |
| [18:15:01] | momelod: | im having a problem w/ nuvexport, my encodings fail, and what i run the commands manualy (from --debug) my system's console is unresponsive after the message: 'stream: start_time: 0.289 duration: 1796.672 bitrate=7315 kb/s' |
| [18:15:29] | niter3: | MythTV is a lot of work. :) |
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| [18:16:32] | GreyFoxx: | miter: Guess thart depends on how you define lot of work |
| [18:16:42] | xri1: | momelod: --debugt |
| [18:16:45] | xri1: | er, --debug |
| [18:16:49] | xri1: | info at wiki.mythtv.org |
| [18:17:02] | momelod: | thankx |
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| [18:17:45] | momelod: | xri1: u have a keyword i should use to find that artical? |
| [18:18:18] | iamlindoro__: | nuvexport |
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| [18:27:52] | janneg: | Kazan: I hadn't time to look at your sample, sorry |
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| [18:29:54] | Kazan: | :( |
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| [18:52:20] | justinh: | directhex: doesn't look all that bad, but then maybe the photo is belying the gradient of the hill some ;) |
| [18:53:05] | directhex: | justdave, 20–25% gradient |
| [18:53:08] | directhex: | urgh |
| [18:53:09] | directhex: | justinh, |
| [18:53:58] | directhex: | justinh, the nickname comes from the old horse & carriage days, where the horses couldn't physically manage to pull the carts up unless the passengers all got out & walked |
| [18:54:31] | justinh: | I won't brag, cos chances are I wouldn't be able to repeat what I used to do back up norf – not since I've lived in snowless mancunian land for 10 years |
| [18:54:50] | justinh: | actually – 10 days marks the start of my 11th year here |
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| [18:57:05] | directhex: | poor you :| |
| [18:57:18] | directhex: | it's grim oop norf and now i have the experiences to prove it! |
| [18:57:40] | justinh: | I'm not a big fan of the Lake District. too many rubberneckers |
| [18:58:26] | justinh: | went right off it many years ago when I went on a trip with a girlfriend. so many places to stay, yet none apparently had any room for a young couple |
| [18:58:37] | justinh: | toffee nosed old farts |
| [18:59:09] | justinh: | hahah I can't half bear a grudge :P |
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| [19:06:27] | robbins61: | what's the name of the mega HD pacakge that you cna get iwth satellite tv? something to with o's in the name, i think... woop or something like that |
| [19:07:43] | robbins61: | anyone? |
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| [19:08:29] | iamlindoro__: | voom |
| [19:08:43] | robbins61: | there it is |
| [19:08:56] | robbins61: | thanks! |
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| [19:14:30] | Doobeh: | Hmm, I'm going to write a howto on the mythtv wiki about how I went about setting up my channels-- I'm living in the carribean, so schedules direct doens't hane any listings for over here-- so I found a cable provider in the states with most of our lineup and reassigned channels.. |
| [19:14:37] | Doobeh: | The problem I'm having, is thinking of a title for it :) |
| [19:14:55] | Doobeh: | Any suggestions? |
| [19:17:18] | directhex: | "mythtv for evil cuban communists" |
| [19:17:36] | Doobeh: | :) |
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| [19:29:08] | robbins61: | the giants are the superbowl champions... |
| [19:29:23] | robbins61: | I have to get tomorrow off work so i can watch super tuesdya |
| [19:30:32] | justinh: | hmm wonder if it's even worth powering up that Vista PoS to trouble shoot it, or if I should just stick ubuntu on :P |
| [19:30:56] | justinh: | might solve the problem of always being elected to do tech support for all & sundry |
| [19:30:59] | directhex: | there are things to like and things to dislike in vista. i find most of the common complaints are misdirected |
| [19:31:23] | justinh: | directhex: point is, I don't know much about Vista, don't care and don't want to know either |
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| [19:33:23] | justinh: | can't help being a bit curious though |
| [19:33:38] | directhex: | justinh, refuse to offer tech support on some topics. i do |
| [19:33:51] | directhex: | justinh, i don't do viruses, spyware, msie, or outlook express |
| [19:33:59] | justinh: | there's a bottle of JD in it for me apparently |
| [19:34:33] | directhex: | do you like jd? |
| [19:34:47] | justinh: | aye |
| [19:35:18] | justinh: | well, up to a point |
| [19:35:26] | xris: | heh |
| [19:36:16] | justinh: | got a taste for the more exotic variants (more expensive) a while back but they're not as readily available in supermarkets, so don't tend to end up with those |
| [19:37:51] | justinh: | used to drink Southern Comfort in my younger days, til I got into a competition with a girlfriend's mother & lost after the 2nd bottle was emptied |
| [19:38:04] | justinh: | can't bear to look at the stuff now |
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| [19:41:50] | CyberAngel: | question about video feeds |
| [19:42:30] | CyberAngel: | I need to be able to force feeds to various front ends without having to use the menu at that frontend |
| [19:42:45] | CyberAngel: | ie, I need to change the feeds in the background |
| [19:43:10] | directhex: | there's a telnet interface, iirc |
| [19:43:46] | CyberAngel: | yeah, but the end user needs a gui, something simple |
| [19:45:00] | directhex: | so you want a gui, you want mythtv, but you don't want mythtv's gui? |
| [19:45:39] | CyberAngel: | Here is the scenerio. I have been working on mythtv as a base for a smart hoem (I know LinuxMCE is designed for that) |
| [19:46:06] | CyberAngel: | our sales guy asked me if I could use this base for another scenerio.. I said probably and bam.. now it's sold |
| [19:46:27] | CyberAngel: | I have a theater that needws to run video in the front of the building and in the lobby |
| [19:46:35] | CyberAngel: | these videos change 1–2 months |
| [19:47:07] | CyberAngel: | I need for them to be able to pick the feed they want and force it into the TV, but we don't want the customers to see the interface |
| [19:47:15] | CyberAngel: | I know.. rather backass |
| [19:47:29] | fedorared: | A kiosk |
| [19:47:33] | CyberAngel: | more or less |
| [19:47:46] | fedorared: | So disable quit in the interface somehow |
| [19:48:14] | iamlindoro__: | Use videolan's server software and have it do iptv multicast to videolan clients on the frontend |
| [19:48:14] | CyberAngel: | no, no one touched it except employees |
| [19:48:27] | CyberAngel: | videolan hmmm |
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| [19:48:53] | AndyCap: | vlc should be ok. but you may have some breakup when switching streams. |
| [19:49:32] | CyberAngel: | not going to happen much |
| [19:49:39] | CyberAngel: | so no issue there |
| [19:51:26] | justinh: | yikes! this machine I've been asked to look at has SCART sockets & everyfink |
| [19:59:17] | [nrx]: | anyone suggest a reason why my back button during tv playback actually exists mythtv completely? |
| [19:59:49] | KjetilK: | tv_grab_no is broken, so I need to understand how the channel numbers that the tuning (?) finds corresponds to the channels that I know, so that I can try to do it manually or perhaps fix the grabber script |
| [20:01:20] | fedorared: | [nrx]: Dies immediately without prompting? |
| [20:01:40] | [nrx]: | fedorared.. yes. It stops live tv... i get the background for the main menu.. but then it just quits |
| [20:01:49] | [nrx]: | so i don't actually get to the main mythtv menu at all |
| [20:02:21] | KjetilK: | e.g., I see that I have some series of channels, 21–90, SE01-SE20 or something, and I see that 21 is Cartoon Network, but I can't find transmissions on many other channels |
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| [20:05:13] | [nrx]: | no? :/ |
| [20:05:39] | justinh: | argghh what kind of crippled crap is this machine that won't let me enable its wired network port?! |
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| [20:11:25] | niter3: | what a day, what a day... |
| [20:11:31] | niter3: | I wish it was 5 alreadyman |
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| [20:21:26] | cva: | I'm having a captions issue. Captions work fine if I'm running the frontend on the backend server (knoppmyth), but shows "no captions" if run from a different client (ubuntu). Any idea what could be causing this? |
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| [20:37:23] | justinh: | roflmao. vista's meejaplayer can't seek in dvb recordings. pfft! |
| [20:38:09] | justinh: | or indeed any mpeg2. wonderful. remind me to buy it |
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| [20:39:53] | justinh: | wtf is it doing? not indexing, not scanning for stuff. hdd is going like the clappers.. stoopid vistuh |
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| [20:45:00] | directhex: | justinh, it probably IS indexing. and which mpeg2 codec is installed? iirc windows has never come with one |
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| [20:45:24] | unagi_: | can mythtv run my hp digital/analogue expresscard tv tuner? |
| [20:45:38] | justinh: | directhex: Nero somethink or tother |
| [20:45:52] | justinh: | unagi_: no idea. will it work in linux, that is the real question! |
| [20:46:18] | directhex: | justinh, then that's a deficiency with the nerodigital codec, not vista. see "i find most of the common complaints are misdirected" |
| [20:46:30] | justinh: | lol |
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| [20:46:44] | justinh: | as far as Vista's UI goes, I'd sooner use KDE |
| [20:46:50] | unagi_: | interesting, how do i find out |
| [20:46:59] | directhex: | unagi_, try linuxtv.org |
| [20:47:06] | unagi_: | i was hesitant with kde for a while |
| [20:47:10] | unagi_: | decided to give it a try..........i love it |
| [20:47:19] | unagi_: | even with compositing turned of its quite nice |
| [20:47:36] | justinh: | no it isn't, but I'd still rather use it than this |
| [20:47:43] | directhex: | i found kde to be... well... kcrashhandler worked, not much else did |
| [20:47:52] | directhex: | actually, kcrashhandler crashed once |
| [20:47:52] | Dougi: | is it possible to run the frontend without a hard-drive on a livingroom pc? |
| [20:47:59] | directhex: | Dougi, yes |
| [20:48:03] | justinh: | Dougi: yup |
| [20:48:05] | ** justinh does ** | |
| [20:48:16] | directhex: | Dougi, nfsroot et al. have fun setting it up |
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| [20:50:20] | justinh: | ugh! dared to try MCE on this machine. W T F are people talking about it's UI for? it's all blurry! |
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| [20:50:49] | unagi_: | v4l is video for linux? |
| [20:51:00] | Dougi: | directhex: thanks found info on the mailinglist now :D |
| [20:51:11] | iamlindoro__: | yes |
| [20:51:25] | unagi_: | ugh this wiki is confusing |
| [20:51:33] | justinh: | ahhh urghhhhh. this is a 2.66Ghz c2d ffs! HOW SLOW?! |
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| [20:51:58] | justinh: | people buy this shite? |
| [20:52:21] | iamlindoro__: | unagi, all you need is the model of the card. Input it into the search of the wiki. |
| [20:52:27] | justinh: | I'm known for smiting mythtv's critics, but after this I can only think I'll be doing a lot more of that |
| [20:52:37] | ARfdee: | anyone use compiz-fusion with mythtv? |
| [20:52:42] | iamlindoro__: | unagi_, If it comes back without a page, it's probably not supporte.d.. if it has a page, then read it to find out if it is. |
| [20:53:00] | iamlindoro__: | If you have a hybrid card, you should be searching the DVB wiki, probably |
| [20:53:01] | unagi_: | i dont have specific numbers on this tuner |
| [20:53:09] | unagi_: | what is dvb? |
| [20:53:13] | iamlindoro__: | Then it's going to be awful tough to find anything out about it |
| [20:53:17] | iamlindoro__: | Digital Video broadcast |
| [20:53:52] | unagi_: | the numbers i have are p/n 438587–001 s/n 439130–001 ho rmn hstnn-th15 |
| [20:54:03] | unagi_: | it does say hauppauge computer works but they make no claim to this tuner |
| [20:54:08] | iamlindoro__: | Looks like it's *probably* the HVR-1500 rebrand |
| [20:54:13] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCMCIA_Cards |
| [20:54:39] | unagi_: | even if mine is expresscard? |
| [20:54:45] | iamlindoro__: | For which there is currently digital support... The driver is probably experimental |
| [20:54:51] | iamlindoro__: | unagi_, Clearly you haven't clicked the link |
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| [20:55:03] | iamlindoro__: | *cough* "HP ExpressCard Digital/Analog TV TunerHVR-1500 (a HVR-1500 rebrand)" *cough* |
| [20:55:06] | unagi_: | its incredibly slow |
| [20:55:09] | iamlindoro__: | ffs |
| [20:55:12] | iamlindoro__: | you're on your own |
| [20:55:15] | unagi_: | there we go |
| [20:55:26] | unagi_: | interesting |
| [20:55:57] | unagi_: | shall i just try it and see? |
| [20:56:08] | unagi_: | lol what does The action you have requested is limited to users in the group user. mean |
| [20:56:16] | unagi_: | you mean i have to sign up??? lol |
| [20:57:12] | iamlindoro__: | A red link is an edit link. And yes, you have to create a login to edit a page. |
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| [20:57:21] | iamlindoro__: | The page doesn't exist, probably because the driver is experimental |
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| [20:57:55] | unagi_: | ah man |
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| [20:58:56] | unagi_: | any idea on ho wi can find out if they are working on it? |
| [20:59:26] | iamlindoro__: | "they" are, otherwise there wouldn't be experimental digital support... |
| [20:59:50] | ARfdee: | justinh: what are you referring to? |
| [21:00:07] | unagi_: | i didnt see any experimental support |
| [21:00:14] | unagi_: | just said 'support – no |
| [21:00:17] | iamlindoro__: | for reference, that means you won't be able to just plug it in and have it work... you'd need to compile your own drivers, and you'd get info on which from the linux-dvb dev list |
| [21:01:03] | iamlindoro__: | unagi_, dude... with dues respect, I'm not going to keep reading and requoting the wiki for you. There is a note on the card the HP is a rebrand of, that says, "Support is currently limited to digital TV mode only. Analog support (both analog TV & A/V input) will be added to the CX23885/7 driver soon; which will enable preview analog video support." |
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| [21:01:13] | iamlindoro__: | er with due |
| [21:01:47] | Gokee2: | Hello all, we just got basic cable and I am thinking of sticking a tuner in a box and making mythtv work. Is there a list of supported tuners anywhere? Would I be able to record a show on one tuner and send it to a remote box on another with a athlon xp 1800? |
| [21:02:04] | unagi_: | ok man, let it all out |
| [21:02:24] | ** iamlindoro__ sets /ignore to kill ** | |
| [21:02:29] | iamlindoro__: | Fire! |
| [21:02:36] | unagi_: | so pathetic |
| [21:03:34] | unagi_: | id love for you to show me where this is said |
| [21:03:57] | iamlindoro__: | On the *exact* page I linked you to. |
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| [21:05:15] | unagi_: | what is CX23885/7 |
| [21:05:21] | directhex: | cx88 |
| [21:05:33] | directhex: | conexant chipset. used for digital tuners |
| [21:05:53] | unagi_: | thanks |
| [21:06:18] | hpladds: | directhex: pdHDTV pc5000? |
| [21:06:23] | unagi_: | im not familiar with drivers for linux |
| [21:06:42] | hpladds: | *pcHDTV |
| [21:07:47] | directhex: | hpladds, what about it? |
| [21:08:42] | hpladds: | CX23885/7 I know I've seen that number around is it associated with the pc5000? |
| [21:09:10] | directhex: | hpladds, conexant chipset. used for digital tuners |
| [21:09:52] | hpladds: | directhex: perhaps it was a Hauppauge card |
| [21:10:07] | justinh: | bleh. MCE's UI really does suck |
| [21:10:47] | justinh: | doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the machine though. everything it was doing seemed normal as far as I could tell |
| [21:11:03] | hpladds: | unagi_: Are you getting a warning that uses that number? |
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| [21:12:05] | justinh: | wow. it's dvb-t scan is mightily slow too |
| [21:12:53] | justinh: | wonder how much crack MS's MCE UI team had smoked by the time they thought the 'cross' style menu would be nice. not very '10 foot' either |
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| [21:13:37] | justinh: | scan 100% complete, no TV services found. yay! |
| [21:13:54] | justinh: | nil points! |
| [21:16:41] | justinh: | next person who comes in here asking why mythtv's ui isn't more like mce is gonna get a big hard smack til they see sense. mythtv's ui isn't perfect but ffs... |
| [21:17:15] | Daviey: | justinh: |
| [21:17:17] | Daviey: | __ _ _ |
| [21:17:17] | Daviey: | / _| __ _(_) | |
| [21:17:17] | Daviey: | | |_ / _` | | | |
| [21:17:17] | Daviey: | | _| (_| | | | |
| [21:17:20] | Daviey: | |_| \__,_|_|_| |
| [21:17:22] | Daviey: | |
| [21:17:31] | justinh: | fail ? |
| [21:17:40] | Daviey: | @ scanning |
| [21:17:43] | unagi_: | media center is pirty |
| [21:18:02] | justinh: | another one for the list |
| [21:18:07] | unagi_: | =) |
| [21:18:20] | Daviey: | next person to come in here and say the default theme is crappy, i'll buy a beer |
| [21:18:29] | GreyFoxx: | Gant is Poo |
| [21:18:46] | GreyFoxx: | and I don't drink so you can keep the beer :) |
| [21:18:54] | Daviey: | GreyFoxx: you'd have to /part and rejoin to earn it :) |
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| [21:19:04] | GreyFoxx: | too much effort :) |
| [21:19:05] | justinh: | I've tried to be objective about this little test but it's difficult. it's not winning any friends by not being able to detect TV signals on a feed which works |
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| [21:19:13] | Daviey: | an unagi_ |
| [21:19:17] | Daviey: | bann* |
| [21:19:21] | unagi_: | the default theme is poo |
| [21:19:27] | unagi_: | why ban me? |
| [21:19:38] | Daviey: | before you could say it :) |
| [21:19:42] | unagi_: | no fun |
| [21:19:51] | unagi_: | thatd require me to sign off and back on lol |
| [21:20:22] | Daviey: | anyway, you fail – the term was "crappy" |
| [21:20:31] | unagi_: | lame |
| [21:20:32] | unagi_: | lol |
| [21:21:04] | ** Daviey drinking Corona atm – could it taste any less like monkey pee ** | |
| [21:21:15] | justinh: | roflmao. on 2nd run, mce has detected the tuner |
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| [21:21:39] | justinh: | so it was allowing me to scan despite not having a tuner |
| [21:21:50] | Daviey: | awesome, no i know where to turn peeps with mce support requests |
| [21:21:58] | Daviey: | now* |
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| [21:22:48] | justinh: | I only have the machine for a while. thank eff |
| [21:22:57] | _rik_: | hi guys |
| [21:23:12] | justinh: | the graphics and the fonts are all blurry. wtf is that all about? |
| [21:23:23] | justinh: | I've heard of antialiasing but come on.. |
| [21:24:19] | justinh: | turned the annoying sounds off already. who the hell is this supposed to impress? |
| [21:24:32] | directhex: | justinh, wintv2000 users |
| [21:24:40] | justinh: | roflmfao |
| [21:24:52] | justinh: | aye I see that now |
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| [21:25:20] | justinh: | don't get me wrong it's not all bad. postcode driven guide setup wizard.. quite nifty |
| [21:25:47] | justinh: | and some areas of the UI – setup options are nice & uncluttered, unlike the main menus |
| [21:25:55] | justinh: | still no TV found. sack it |
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| [21:26:02] | directhex: | always remember the way things work on windows – people use the default until the default changes |
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| [21:26:15] | directhex: | if the default for many years is wintv2000, compare that to mce... |
| [21:26:42] | justinh: | selected WinterHill to scan from, no dice. tried winterhill B – no dice. tried unmapped dvb-t – no dice. the signal works |
| [21:26:42] | _rik_: | is the signal monitoring broken in the current trunk. Just wondering because it worked before the multirec merge |
| [21:30:29] | justinh: | don't remember it ever working |
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| [21:34:02] | jhulst: | Any suggestions on online places to buy a spool of networking cable in the US? |
| [21:35:15] | unagi_: | radioshack |
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| [21:35:54] | justinh: | bigreelsofcat6cable.com ? |
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| [21:37:58] | justinh: | wheee plugged the aerial cable back into the linux box – all working. amazing |
| [21:38:05] | mindframe_: | is there any way to speed up the loading of videos over NFS when i click 'watch videos' ? I have a lot and it takes like two minutes to load. |
| [21:38:26] | justinh: | what's a 'lot' ? |
| [21:38:44] | mindframe_: | heh like over 500 |
| [21:39:02] | iamlindoro__: | That's not a lot... it certainly shouldn't be 2 minutes |
| [21:39:03] | mindframe_: | i turned off the metadata collection thing |
| [21:39:20] | mindframe_: | well i notice as i add to my collection it keeps taking longer and longer |
| [21:39:22] | iamlindoro__: | *that's* why it's taking a while, it has to poll the whole file structure.. better to use the video manager |
| [21:39:58] | iamlindoro__: | I have thousands of files and it takes 2–3 seconds to enter MythVideo |
| [21:40:01] | mindframe_: | so how do i tell it not to parse when i go into 'watch videos' |
| [21:40:12] | justinh: | scan everything into the db |
| [21:40:19] | justinh: | using the video manager |
| [21:40:19] | iamlindoro__: | By using the video manager instead of the browse file structure mode |
| [21:40:29] | mindframe_: | k |
| [21:40:34] | mindframe_: | thanks fellas |
| [21:40:47] | mindframe_: | back to grilling my new york strips. can i get you one? |
| [21:41:23] | iamlindoro__: | Sure. I'll be right over. Tell your wife to put on that frilly thing I like. |
| [21:41:30] | jhulst: | eh, radioshack doesn't have cat6, and I need plenum cable |
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| [21:42:58] | justinh: | try an electrical warehouse where you'd buy electric cable & fittings for building work ;) |
| [21:43:22] | iamlindoro__: | Heck, I saw Cat6 Plenum at Home Depot once. Just not cheap. |
| [21:43:46] | iamlindoro__: | Fry's also has big spools, online also |
| [21:43:47] | justinh: | though the big 305 metre reel I bought a long while ago is all low smoke, suitable for inside wall cavities etc |
| [21:44:07] | justinh: | $40 for 305m |
| [21:44:28] | jhulst: | justinh: per code, we are required to have Plenum |
| [21:44:33] | justinh: | bah still feel dirty after trying out MCE just for fun. never again |
| [21:44:45] | jhulst: | I'll check at Frys, Home Depot was rather expensive |
| [21:46:10] | justinh: | anyway since my cable is European in origin, prolly doesn't meet US regs. wouldn't be surprised if it exceeded em |
| [21:46:49] | justinh: | er.. hahaha just looked plenum up. outer insulation is teflon based?! ffs |
| [21:47:22] | justinh: | and this in the land where all wood construction houses are king? sounds a bit silly |
| [21:48:24] | directhex: | justinh, land of hope and logic! |
| [21:49:38] | jhulst: | I read that having plenum cabling actually helps slow down the fire in some cases, perhaps thats what they were going for :) |
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| [21:55:00] | justinh: | yeah I'll slow down the fire with some cable that doesn't catch fire as readily as the pvc coated stuff |
| [21:55:10] | gandalfcome: | I have some trouble getting mythfilldatabase to work. It somehow worked before but now it doesnt update anymore. I ran it manually under the mythtv user and forced it to max days 1. I could not see anything wrong in the log (while running it) in mythweb however: mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure. |
| [21:55:30] | justinh: | gandalfcome: might just mean it didn't fetch any new data |
| [21:56:28] | gandalfcome: | well just let me check it dumps it to an xml file. the thing is that the guide data has been going down continously. it should be 28 days but is now at 14 days |
| [21:56:43] | gandalfcome: | the grabber doesn't really complain |
| [21:56:45] | ** justinh tries scrubbing harder. nope. still dirty. ** | |
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| [21:59:39] | AndyCap: | meh, who cares about the cable insulation when you get stuff like this: http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/photos/0,,1548031,00.html |
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| [22:04:18] | fryfrog: | anyone done screen rotation in linux? |
| [22:04:43] | dserban__: | anyone ever seen their xv or (whatever the video overlay is called... or even gl) sorta lock up? ... ie. any 2d operations work perfectly, the myth menus work, but when playing a video through mplayer, or the internal player in myth, i get this colourful screen of frozenness. I can escape out of it and re-try with the same results. Would your guess be a driver problem or have I somehow managed to screw with something I sh |
| [22:04:43] | dserban__: | ouldn't have. |
| [22:04:44] | dserban__: | ? |
| [22:05:39] | iamlindoro__: | nvidia driver bug. Update or roll back. |
| [22:05:53] | Aval0n: | guys... does mythtv have it's own fade to black? |
| [22:06:02] | iamlindoro__: | Aval0n, no. |
| [22:06:05] | Aval0n: | i have been using gnome's but ever since I updated to SVN |
| [22:06:05] | gandalfcome: | justinh: after figuring out how to force the xmlgrabber to be verbose. I discovered that it grabs 1 day for the next day and not the day after which the guide data is missing. how is mythfilldatabase called every day? |
| [22:06:14] | Aval0n: | it will fade to black even if I'm in the menus doing things |
| [22:06:25] | Aval0n: | I have a plasma and I fear teh burn-inz |
| [22:06:27] | Aval0n: | :P |
| [22:06:40] | justinh: | either by selecting it to be run automatically in mythfrontend, or as a cron job |
| [22:06:47] | AndyCap: | fryfrog: xrandr worked for me on an intel card. but it felt a little weird |
| [22:07:21] | fryfrog: | i'm trying it with i810, which seems to claim "Rtoate" "90" should work |
| [22:07:32] | fryfrog: | X starts, but it *seems* that gdm is crashing |
| [22:07:35] | fryfrog: | then X fails |
| [22:07:35] | gandalfcome: | justinh: sorry for that question. how do I check which jobs are scheduled with cron? |
| [22:07:54] | AndyCap: | since the updates went from right to left and google earth felt a little slower even if it looked ok in portrait |
| [22:07:55] | fryfrog: | *once* i saw it say something about the login manager crashing, thats been the only indication :/ |
| [22:08:08] | AndyCap: | fryfrog: tried rotate after logging with xrandr? |
| [22:08:29] | fryfrog: | bout to try that, didn't work, but i found some "RandRRotation" "true" option |
| [22:08:36] | fryfrog: | but it is also possible i have the command line wrong |
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| [22:09:33] | gandalfcome: | justinh: i tried crontab -l |
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| [22:11:11] | AndyCap: | fryfrog: xrandr -o left is what I did here. but this is F8 which means Xorg server 1.3 or something. not sure what release it is |
| [22:11:28] | AndyCap: | 7.2 perhaps |
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| [22:11:50] | [nrx]: | can anyone shed light on this entry in the log file: [mpegts @ 0xb743b8b0]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94212 ! |
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| [22:12:53] | fryfrog: | X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) :( |
| [22:12:59] | fryfrog: | but -q works |
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| [22:13:55] | iamlindoro__: | [nrx], I believe that is a subtitle stream that gets dropped. Nothing to worry about. |
| [22:14:25] | fryfrog: | anScreen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1600 x 1200, maximum 1600 x 1200 |
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| [22:14:42] | fryfrog: | that does mean that "Screen 0" is the name of the ... screen? for --output "Screen 0"? |
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| [22:26:55] | justinh: | gandalfcome: just have mythbackend do it via the setting in mythfrontend. if you use SD it's best to do that anyway since the grabber serice suggests a good time for it to run again to help with load balancing |
| [22:27:07] | justinh: | s/serice/service |
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| [22:27:21] | Gokee2: | I am looking for a TV tuner and I ran into http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . ostorder=asc it talks about a "Leadtek WinFast TV2000 XP" However the closest thing I ca find dis not winfast http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814122221 Anyone know if this tv tuner works? Thanks |
| [22:27:52] | directhex: | Gokee2, what kind of tuner do you want – analog or digital? |
| [22:28:35] | Gokee2: | analog although I think if I have some digital chanels... Is there any way to do both? |
| [22:28:46] | Gokee2: | i think I have some* |
| [22:29:10] | Gokee2: | channels* |
| [22:29:12] | justinh: | that tuner won't do digital |
| [22:29:48] | directhex: | if you want analog, buy a hauppauge pvr series |
| [22:30:05] | directhex: | if you want digital, buy whatever the hell it is you yanks do instead of using standards |
| [22:30:15] | Gokee2: | Ya, I could not seem to find anything that did digital and analog. Digital is not really a big deal for me seeing there is only about 5–6 channels in digital and I can pick them up in analog anyway |
| [22:30:18] | justinh: | yeah if you want analogue get a pvr tuner card from Hauppauge |
| [22:30:20] | directhex: | if you want both, re-evaluate your situation, as hybrid tuners tend to suck |
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| [22:33:26] | Gokee2: | The cheapest hauppauge tuner I saw was http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116633 at $60... Thats twice the Leadtek TV2000 XP... |
| [22:33:43] | justinh: | did anybody say buy the cheapest? |
| [22:34:00] | Gokee2: | Do houppauge tuners do hardware decodeing? |
| [22:34:12] | justinh: | the hauppauge pvr cards have onboard hardware encoding. no cpu load while recording |
| [22:34:14] | directhex: | Gokee2, hardware decoding isn't the issue, hadware encoding is |
| [22:34:22] | directhex: | Gokee2, and yes, the pvr series do hardware encoding |
| [22:34:35] | Gokee2: | Ah right |
| [22:35:08] | Gokee2: | Thats tuner costs 3 months worth of tv :0 |
| [22:35:11] | justinh: | any other analogue tuner card requires video encoding to be done in software & there are many disadvantages with that. 1. it's cpu intensive. 2. you can't easily play files recorded in mythtv's native (software encoded) format |
| [22:35:12] | Gokee2: | That* |
| [22:35:35] | Gokee2: | Hmm ok |
| [22:35:44] | justinh: | and 3. they tend not to have onboard audio capture so they take up a soundcard each too |
| [22:35:50] | directhex: | 4) image quality blows |
| [22:36:47] | ** Gokee2 Sees all hope of convincing himself he only needs a cheap tuner going out the window ** | |
| [22:37:21] | justinh: | Gokee2: not even MCE supports lame tuner cards like software encoders |
| [22:37:30] | Gokee2: | MCE? |
| [22:37:35] | justinh: | MS MCE |
| [22:37:41] | justinh: | that in itself speaks volumes I think |
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| [22:38:26] | justinh: | if you dont believe us about why you shouldn't entertain the idea of a cheap tuner card, search the logs for this channel |
| [22:38:47] | justinh: | what you save in money you get back in hassle |
| [22:39:10] | justinh: | and no, I don't have shares in Hauppauge |
| [22:39:27] | directhex: | justinh, media center only supports a new driver api called BDA (which replaces the old systems such as VFW). technically, you could hack a bda driver out of a framegrabber, but nobody's bothered |
| [22:40:44] | justinh: | something needed to replace VFW. it sucked. my ati AIW tuner worked for about 20 minutes & never did again thanks to vfw |
| [22:40:50] | justinh: | and ati |
| [22:40:53] | AndyCap: | And the new friend. Protected BDA |
| [22:41:05] | Gokee2: | Well I guess I will go buy this $$$ tuner |
| [22:41:36] | justinh: | Gokee2: anyway something you don't get with cheap-ass tuner cards is a decent remote. even the lowliest hauppauge one is nice |
| [22:42:45] | Gokee2: | Eh? The lowest says it does not come with one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116633 |
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| [22:44:48] | justinh: | I meant the lowliest hauppauge remote |
| [22:45:22] | ** fedorared is surviving without a remote for a PVR-150 ** | |
| [22:45:27] | justinh: | so go on – save yourself your precious few $$ but mark my words you'll regret it |
| [22:46:04] | Gokee2: | I would also need to buy a recever to use a remote? |
| [22:46:23] | justinh: | Gokee2: no, they come with a receiver. no use with just a remote, is it? ;) |
| [22:47:26] | fedorared: | I wonder how well a HVR-1600 would work with dtv broadcast, if it has drivers at all |
| [22:48:04] | justinh: | fedorared: linuxtv.org wiki, or failing that, in the supported cards list within the v4l code |
| [22:48:29] | Gokee2: | The remote and tuner cost a extra $10 (at least I think everything is the same exept for the remote |
| [22:49:39] | Gokee2: | Ican`t hook the computer to the tv anyway so I am going to be next to my keyboard and mouse. Or I think I will hook my laptop to the tv from time to time but a remove on the computer that has the tuner card would not help with that |
| [22:49:57] | Gokee2: | remote* |
| [22:50:34] | iamlindoro__: | Get the MCE edition with remote. The receiver is USB and not dependent on the card. |
| [22:51:02] | iamlindoro__: | *non* MCE edition PVR-150's remote receiver goes into the card, so don't get that. |
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| [22:52:32] | justinh: | fedorared: last i remember hearing about it was that it's supported in the latest v4l drivers from their mercurial repository. might even be in newer kernels |
| [22:53:35] | justinh: | fedorared: haha! http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/faq/support_faq_hvr1600.html#3a |
| [22:54:04] | Gokee2: | Ehhhh? You mean Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-150 1062 MCE Kit Tuner Card w/MCE Remote – Retail? Thats $100! I could almost buy two normal hauppauge cards for that! |
| [22:54:17] | justinh: | Gokee2: your point being? |
| [22:55:06] | justinh: | it's not just a remote you get though. it'll also send IR signals to change channels on set top boxes – so you can record from digital cable or satellite via a set top box from your provider |
| [22:55:08] | iamlindoro__: | or the open box for $72 |
| [22:55:22] | justinh: | open box == windows user was too clueless |
| [22:55:43] | iamlindoro__: | Then it's on $12 more for the remote... *well* worth it. |
| [22:55:43] | ** Gokee2 has not set top box from provider ** | |
| [22:55:47] | Gokee2: | no* |
| [22:57:40] | Gokee2: | $12 more? $60 + $12 is $72 not $100... |
| [22:58:02] | iamlindoro__: | *cough* "<iamlindoro__> or the open box for $72" |
| [22:58:06] | Gokee2: | Where is the open box? |
| [22:58:26] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116631R |
| [22:58:35] | iamlindoro__: | Anything else I can get you? Fruity drink? Happy ending? |
| [22:58:40] | califdreas: | Gokee2: in the warehouse? |
| [22:59:00] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, can i have a fruity drink? |
| [22:59:03] | Gokee2: | ... Odd it was not in the listing I was looking at |
| [22:59:08] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, especially one with nice rum in it |
| [22:59:13] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, for you, anything. |
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| [22:59:15] | iamlindoro__: | ;) |
| [23:00:33] | Gokee2: | Well now thats only 2.4 times tha amount I wanted to spend :) I think I will get that |
| [23:00:55] | Gokee2: | I have always wanted a ir port to play with |
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| [23:01:51] | Gokee2: | So can I have my laptop pluged into the tv and ir port talk to my main compter over wireless or will I need to plug it in? |
| [23:02:20] | directhex: | IR and IrDA are very different |
| [23:02:32] | iamlindoro__: | Your english teacher would be ashamed of that sentence. |
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| [23:03:12] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro: does myth have code in it that tells the window manager when it can and can not activate a screen saver? |
| [23:03:16] | directhex: | my english teacher was delighted i managed a B! |
| [23:03:18] | Gokee2: | Eh?.... Hmm |
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| [23:03:36] | iamlindoro__: | directhex: That one wasn't for you ;) |
| [23:04:00] | Gokee2: | Ah yes I did mean irda :) |
| [23:04:04] | iamlindoro__: | Aval0n, You've got me... but it *doesn't* have it's own screen blanking (as far as I know) |
| [23:05:24] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [23:05:51] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro: whos the main coder for the core of mythtv |
| [23:05:55] | Aval0n: | not plugins etc.. |
| [23:06:47] | Gokee2: | I have never bought anything "open box" from newegg. Does it have the same return policy? |
| [23:08:37] | Gokee2: | Nevermind I found it |
| [23:08:47] | iamlindoro__: | There's no one single core dev... Although Isaac Richards started the project. |
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| [23:10:50] | Aval0n: | ahh |
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| [23:11:43] | Gokee2: | Hmm newegg says "Accessories are NOT INCLUDED with Open-Box products, even if the missing accessory is required for the item to function properly." The remote control would be a accessory..... |
| [23:12:38] | jams: | Aval0n- it has the ability to disable xscreensaver and maybe gnome-screensaver. |
| [23:14:12] | iamlindoro__: | Gokee2, Since the product names is "w/MCE Remote" it's a fair bet you will get it... |
| [23:15:07] | iamlindoro__: | plus you have a 15 day moneyback guarantee |
| [23:15:12] | iamlindoro__: | anyway, off I go |
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| [23:20:08] | Aval0n: | jams: the thing is, I want it to come on |
| [23:20:20] | Aval0n: | jams: if it's in a menu or paused with no activity |
| [23:20:32] | Aval0n: | it seemed like 20.2 was doing this perfectly |
| [23:20:47] | Aval0n: | SVN will screen fade even if I'm active moving around in the menus. |
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| [23:23:58] | jams: | Aval0n- which screensaver? |
| [23:25:39] | Aval0n: | it's gnone |
| [23:25:41] | Aval0n: | gnome* |
| [23:25:46] | Aval0n: | fade to black |
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| [23:27:17] | jams: | eh beats me, i know there were some commits/threads about gnome. |
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| [23:29:09] | Aval0n: | what ever happened to enlightenment |
| [23:29:12] | Aval0n: | did it just die off |
| [23:29:32] | directhex: | Aval0n, e17 STILL isn't stable |
| [23:29:36] | jams: | nope it's still around |
| [23:29:42] | directhex: | Aval0n, yet it's being used in commercial software |
| [23:30:06] | directhex: | Aval0n, e.g. yellow dog linux |
| [23:30:11] | Aval0n: | no kidding |
| [23:30:11] | jams: | http://enlightenment.org/ |
| [23:31:17] | directhex: | and i think some embedded devices are using some e17 libs |
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| [23:32:20] | Aval0n: | it doesn't seem any more pretty than ubuntu gnome does |
| [23:32:21] | Aval0n: | imo |
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| [23:32:50] | mzb: | you're not using it right then ;P |
| [23:33:02] | Aval0n: | i ran eterm back in the day |
| [23:33:07] | Aval0n: | it was... okay |
| [23:33:12] | Miranda_: | How can I clear program data/channels/settings on mythtv-setup greater than 0.18.1 ? |
| [23:33:22] | directhex: | Aval0n, e17 was revolutionary about 5 years ago |
| [23:33:51] | Miranda_: | directhex, haha, I remember e17! |
| [23:34:04] | Aval0n: | i remember |
| [23:34:46] | directhex: | i tried e17 when i was an undergrad |
| [23:34:55] | directhex: | and it's over 3 years since i graduated |
| [23:36:25] | Aval0n: | yeah |
| [23:36:29] | Aval0n: | I'm really not a mac fan |
| [23:36:35] | Aval0n: | but OSX |
| [23:36:40] | Aval0n: | is just pretty nice |
| [23:36:44] | Aval0n: | imo |
| [23:36:55] | Aval0n: | nice looking, functional |
| [23:36:58] | Aval0n: | stable |
| [23:37:03] | Aval0n: | <shrug> |
| [23:37:16] | [nrx] ([nrx]!n=xynqipbi@strada.nimrodx.net) has left #mythtv-users () | |
| [23:41:10] | Newsome (Newsome!n=sorenson@d53-64-13-210.nap.wideopenwest.com) has quit ("Linux: Now with employee pricing!") | |
| [23:42:01] | adac2: | what tv card, grafic card and processor would you suggest for using mythtv with hd? |
| [23:42:45] | Miranda_: | what "card type" would my Hauppauge PVR-150 be? |
| [23:42:49] | fedorared: | Very fast ones. |
| [23:42:58] | Miranda_: | analog V4L, or Mpeg2? |
| [23:43:41] | fedorared: | Miranda_: mpeg |
| [23:43:47] | Miranda_: | kk |
| [23:44:10] | fedorared: | They do hardware encoding... you can read an mpeg stream right from /dev/video |
| [23:44:52] | adac2: | fedorared: which tv card and grafic card would you suggest? |
| [23:45:04] | fedorared: | No idea. |
| [23:45:13] | directhex: | adac2, depends on your needs and geographic location |
| [23:45:36] | Miranda_: | fedorared, on setting up the card in 'mythtv-setup', my howto says to save my settings after setting up the capture card.. I don't see a "save settings" option |
| [23:45:51] | adac2: | directhex|bsp: europe, want to be able to play hd channels |
| [23:46:32] | directhex: | adac2, a big angry processor of doom, an nvidia gpu, and presumably a dvb-s card, depending on whether you can use one in your country |
| [23:47:14] | Miranda_: | grr, every time I tell mythtv-setup to clear settings, the program crashes |
| [23:47:46] | adac2: | directhex|bsp: sounds costly ;) |
| [23:47:47] | Miranda_: | gah |
| [23:48:19] | directhex: | adac2, yep |
| [23:49:08] | fedorared: | Don't forget the huge fast hard drive of doom |
| [23:49:18] | directhex: | adac2, when you can play http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/force.php?file=./bbc.hd.ts smoothly, you're set |
| [23:49:31] | directhex: | fedorared, hard drive singular? ;) |
| [23:49:51] | fedorared: | s/hard drive/massive SAN/ |
| [23:50:15] | directhex: | thank you! |
| [23:50:40] | mzb: | (network raid optional;) |
| [23:53:13] | adac2: | directhex|bsp: what is hd.ts? |
| [23:54:35] | directhex: | adac2, that's a capture from the bbc hd satellite transmission on astra2 |
| [23:54:39] | squidly (squidly!n=squidly@adsl-99-131-136-118.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:54:53] | adac2: | directhex|bsp: never saw this file format before |
| [23:55:11] | directhex: | adac2, hd on european satellite is h264 video in an mpeg2 transport stream container |
| [23:55:35] | directhex: | adac2, linux doesn't use file formats other than for convenience. the only relevant info you need is the container (mpeg2-ts) and codec (h264) |
| [23:56:01] | adac2: | directhex|bsp: well the kaffeine player remain black |
| [23:56:30] | directhex: | adac2, good start. mplayer will likely mention something along the lines of " **** Your system is too SLOW to play this! ****" |
| [23:57:41] | adac2: | directhex|bsp: hehe :P |
| [23:57:46] | kdubya: | ****** Your are POOOR ***** |
| [23:57:52] | kdubya: | **** GET A NEW COMPUTER ***** |
| [23:58:05] | kdubya: | That should be added. |
| [23:58:12] | directhex: | kdubya, i spent all my money on my wife's new computer :( |
| [23:58:22] | mzb: | s/*UNWORTHY/ ?? :) |
| [23:58:57] | kdubya: | wife |
| [23:58:58] | kdubya: | mistake |
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