Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, February 2nd, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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justinh:

remember to sudo

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Stowaway:

i think i already am a member

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Stowaway:

coz it says this :

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Stowaway:

video:x:44:mythtv,ubuntu,michael

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Stowaway:

im michael

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justinh:

ok so it's not that then

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justinh:

is your card one of those which requires firmware?

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Stowaway:

okay ill try looking thru dmesg to see if i can find it

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EnderTheThird:

how much power do you think a core 2 duo w/ 2 HDs and a fanless video card is drawing?

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justinh:

EnderTheThird: rough guess about 80W maybe

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justinh:

more if your PSU isn't very efficient

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EnderTheThird:

justinh: that would be my guess too. i think when i worked out the math before, I'm spending ~$10 to power each of my computers every month

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EnderTheThird:

that kinda sucks

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justinh:

.. which is why having one backend doing all the work is a good idea, then you can shut frontends down as & when :)

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EnderTheThird:

heh, i need to transfer my media HDD to my BE so i can only worry about leaving that computer on when i leave (i FTP or stream MP3s from my desktop quite a bit)

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EnderTheThird:

then i can shut it down or hibernate it (if hibernate will work with Ubuntu... i've never tried it)

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justinh:

I used to leave my desktop box on all the time. not anymore

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EnderTheThird:

heh, big difference?

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justinh:

not a huge difference but noticable

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EnderTheThird:

i'd like to get 2 big drives so i can cut down on the # of HDDs i'm using too

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EnderTheThird:

doubt that's a huge difference, but hey, might as well

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darkfrog:

For some reason I can run lircd as root and everything works, but if I try to run the Mythbuntu lirc service, though it starts up, when I try to run irw it immediately dies and so does lircd with the syslog message: Feb 1 19:30:10 myth lircd-0.8.2[6387]: couldn't find a compatible USB device

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darkfrog:

What do I need to do to make the service function properly?

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fryfrog:

sounds like you aren't using the right driver or module for your device

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fryfrog:

your ir *reciever* that is

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darkfrog:

fryfrog...but it *works* when I execute lircd from root...

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darkfrog:

fryfrog, if I try to run it from a normal user I get: lircd: can't open or create /var/run/lircd.pid

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jesse_:

hey can someone help me please.. i'm trying to set myth up on my arch install bc mythbuntu has crashed on me for the last time... When I try to start mysql it asks for a password and no matter what i use it says access denied

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fryfrog:

darkfrog: it should be running as root :/

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fryfrog:

"sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start"

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darkfrog:

fryfrog, yeah, but how can I make it run as root upon boot?

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fryfrog:

ubuntu's init scripts up

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fryfrog:

er, umm

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fryfrog:

update-rc.d i believe

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fryfrog:

or what ever gui tool you want to use

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darkfrog:

...trying to figure out how to use that. :o

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darkfrog:

man doesn't seem to give a lot of details

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purserj:

try info instead

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squish102:

any use a dsm-320 here?

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squish102:

dlink dsm-320

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darkfrog:

something run in rc.local, does it get run as root?

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fryfrog:

i don't like update-rc.d either :9

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fryfrog:

darkfrog: an init script exists, just figure out how to use it

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fryfrog:

there is probably a tool in the "administration" or "system" area of ubuntu you can see too

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darkfrog:

fryfrog, yeah, but I'm running a console remotely

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fryfrog:

ah

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darkfrog:

Does rc.local commands run as root?

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jams:

yes

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darkfrog:

jams, awesome...then perhaps that will solve my problem. :)

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mythster:

hey guys how do you set the password for myth's mysql?

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mythster:

it prompts me for a pw... ?

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fryfrog:

sudo aptitude install sysv-rc-conf

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mythster:

what the heck lol.. now its working fine lol

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fryfrog:

oh, maybe already installed

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mythster:

i rebooted and now its working fine wtf lol

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fryfrog:

darkfrog: use the damn init scripts, doing it in rc.local is retarded

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fryfrog:

ah, there, that is useful

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fryfrog:

sysv-rc-conf

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fryfrog:

an ncurses based startup script thingy

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mythster:

fryfrog whats he trying to start at boot?

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darkfrog:

fryfrog, I'm trying, but not having much luck

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fryfrog:

lirc

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mythster:

rc.local is where I've always started it on mine..

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mythster:

its lircd by the way

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mythster:

is what you have to use to get it to start...

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fryfrog:

lame, i don't even see it in there :/

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darkfrog:

fryfrog, okay, what runlevels do I want it set to? Currently is 2, 3, 4, and 5

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mythster:

just add this line to your rc.local: lircd (then whatever option you need for it to work w/ your remote)

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fryfrog:

thats fine

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fryfrog:

so it is already setup

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fryfrog:

so what is the problem then?

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darkfrog:

right, but it's getting issues with that: Feb 1 19:50:25 myth lircd-0.8.2[3913]: couldn't find a compatible USB device

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fryfrog:

is it starting at boot?

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fryfrog:

and "sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start" doesn't work?

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darkfrog:

fryfrog, it starts, but as soon as I try to use irw it crashes and outputs that message above.

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darkfrog:

fryfrog, however, if I run "lircd" as root it runs just fine...

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fryfrog:

but if you just do "lircd -n"

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fryfrog:

er

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fryfrog:

"sudo lircd -n"

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fryfrog:

did you say this was "mythbuntu"?

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darkfrog:

fryfrog, I get this: lircd-0.8.2[6350]: could not get file information for /dev/lirc

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darkfrog:

fryfrog, yes, mythbuntu

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darkfrog:

fryfrog, almost tempted to move back to Fedora. :-p

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fryfrog:

i *just* had this problem :)

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fryfrog:

i ended up having to re-plug my usb ir reciever (used lirc_mceusb2)

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darkfrog:

fryfrog, *had* is the term I'm more interested in with that statement. ;)

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fryfrog:

it wasn't showing up on lsusb

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fryfrog:

i don't think the problem is it running as root, it simply isn't seeing all your stuff right.

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darkfrog:

fryfrog, /dev/lirc0 and /dev/lircd are there, but /dev/lirc is not

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darkfrog:

fryfrog, lsusb seems to be reporting it...I think it's: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0471:0602 Philips

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fryfrog:

same thing i have i think!

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fryfrog:

replug it :)

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darkfrog:

ATI Remote Wonder II?

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

no

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darkfrog:

wait

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fryfrog:

i did see something aobut that

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darkfrog:

if I do: ln -s /dev/lirc0 /dev/lirc then restart lircd -n it works

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fryfrog:

make sure the uh, "ati_remote" ? drive risn't loaded while the "lirc_ati...something" isn't

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darkfrog:

fryfrog, yeah, I've disabled the kernel module

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fryfrog:

oh, humm

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fryfrog:

thats all i have too

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fryfrog:

sorry, guess you'll need someone from #mythbuntu or someone better at it than me :)

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darkfrog:

how do I make sure /dev/lirc exists always?

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fryfrog:

i don't think you want it

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fryfrog:

i only have /dev/lirc0 and /dev/lircd

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mythster:

hey is some one here?

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mythster:

i have a ?

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mythster:

the arch wiki is telling me to run this commmand: mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/mc.sql

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mythster:

what does that command do?

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J-e-f-f-A:

It creates the mythtv sql database

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mythster:

it prompts me for a pw.. i wanna know what it is that I'm doing

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J-e-f-f-A:

it's prompting you for your root password to create the database. The wiki should have said that...

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mythster:

so what PW should i use?

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mythster:

ok

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mythster:

it doesnt.. :-\

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mythster:

thanks tho man

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iamlindoro_:

It's prompting you for your *mysql* root password

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iamlindoro_:

not your linux one

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iamlindoro_:

They're different

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fryfrog:

if you've never set it, it might be blank

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fryfrog:

as in nothing

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fryfrog:

or it might be some random chars :/

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iamlindoro_:

And if you don't know/have your mysql root password, you're up shit creek if it's not blank

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fryfrog:

nah, you are'nt up shits creek

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iamlindoro_:

It's fixable, but it's a pain in the ass

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fryfrog:

you can very easily re-set it

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fryfrog:

no wai

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iamlindoro_:

yes way

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fryfrog:

edit my.cnf, restart mysql, run something, unedit my.cnf, restart mysql

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fryfrog:

done

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iamlindoro_:

*you* figure out how to get arch to start mysql with -skip-grant-tables

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fryfrog:

not quite as easy as "click here if you forgot your password, what was the name of the man who first gave your mother oral sex?"

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mythster:

hey Jeffa .. its Jesse.. I'm the EE undergrad

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J-e-f-f-A:

mythster: oh yeah... ;-) How's it going?

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mythster:

dont know if you remember me or not lol

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mythster:

i think i may have been on as mythbox on my old installation

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mythster:

J-e-f-f-A, i tried my root pw.. says access denied

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mythster:

[root@myhost mythster]# mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/mc.sql

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mythster:

Enter password:

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mythster:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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jamesd_:

fryfrog, that is not a good secret question.. every guy at her high school knows the anwser to that question

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mythster:

I'll brb someone please help me out

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fryfrog:

seriously!

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mythster:

hello?

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fryfrog:

mythster: okay

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fryfrog:

mythster: the "root" password for mysql is TOTALLY NOT THE SAME as the root password for your system.

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fryfrog:

it just *happens* to share the same username.

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fryfrog:

sort of like 2 guys named "John" are not literally the same guy

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J-e-f-f-A:

mythster: What distribution are you running?

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fryfrog:

are we clear on that part?

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mythster:

eh its goin

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mythster:

how are you doin J-e-f-f-A

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mythster:

alright

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mythster:

how do i set a mysql root?

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mythster:

arch

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mythster:

yes fry sorry lol

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mythster:

my net was acting up so i couldnt get any of your guys msgs.. i just read everything from my other machine that was logged on to mythtv-users

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mythster:

but now its all ok

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mythster:

anyway how do i set my root pw for mysql

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mythster:

the arch wiki doesnt talk about that part..

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fryfrog:

arch linux?

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mythster:

they kind of skip a few steps

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mythster:

yeah buddy

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fryfrog:

you may want to search the interwebs

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mythster:

shit brb pizzas done

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fryfrog:

also, did you try nothing, zip, blank, zero?

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fryfrog:

many times it is simply not set

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EnderTheThird:

for mounting network drives locally, is it better to set them up as samba or nfs shares?

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iamlindoro:

If you're mounting between linux boxes, NFS.

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EnderTheThird:

K. That's what I've been using. Thanks.

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iamlindoro:

No problem

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iamlindoro:

s'faster

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iamlindoro:

and plays more nicely with permissions

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siXy:

NFSv4 for preference, then you only need one port open

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah. I'll need the speed soon. I keep my main media drive (Music and Movies) on my desktop/FE. I want to move it to my BE/server so I have everything on one machine instead of using the desktop for music streaming over the web.

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EnderTheThird:

Maybe even try hibernating that bad boy to see how nicely it plays with Linux.

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EnderTheThird:

On a slightly unrelated note, anyone know when/if they're releasing an Eee PC with a slightly bigger screen? I saw some pics of one with a screen that took up more of that currently wasted space, but haven't heard anything about it since.

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iamlindoro:

I think all they've said so far is "2008."

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iamlindoro:

Wikipedia appears to imply it will be Q2

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EnderTheThird:

Well that was nice of them.

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EnderTheThird:

They're so damned tempted with that price point, but I'd want that larger screen, even if it is the same resolution.

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EnderTheThird:

*tempting

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iamlindoro:

Heyyyy, nice. TMS appears to have very accurate data for my lineups for about four weeks out

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EnderTheThird:

4 weeks? That's ridiculous.

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iamlindoro_:

Not that there's anything to watch, but it's nice to know

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EnderTheThird:

I have a ton of stuff sitting on my box waiting to be watched. It's almost like a fulltime job trying to catch up on missed TV.

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momelod:

greetings chanel

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EnderTheThird:

might need to buy another HDD so I can store everything until summer.

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momelod:

can anyone tell me how i can force mythphone to use a specific nic, when i have more then one nic in the mythbox?

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iamlindoro_:

Figure out whatever IP range your SIP service is, and write a route to that IP range throught that particular interface.

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iamlindoro_:

man route

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mythster:

hey when i run mythtv-setup it s telling me that theres an error while trying to load shared libs: libqt-nt.so.3

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mythster:

how do i resolve that

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momelod:

the problem is mythphone is attaching to the device on my private ip space (192.168) i have another nic directly connected to the internet (ppp0).

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EnderTheThird:

mythster: try searching synaptic for libqt and see if you're missing a package

[03:36:34]

momelod:

if i manually enter the route, mythphone is still looking for packets on the 192.168 network

[03:36:36]

EnderTheThird:

libqt4... not sure which one specifically

[03:36:40]

iamlindoro_:

ie, "route add -net ip.of.my.sip.service netmask 255.255.255.255 dev eth0"

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momelod:

the sip packets are routed fine, using the default gw as the sip server is not on my network...

[03:37:19]

mythster:

EnderTheThird, i'm using arch linux and the package manager doesnt show anything related to libqt

[03:37:33]

iamlindoro_:

libqt*3*

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iamlindoro_:

myth doesn't use 4 yet

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EnderTheThird:

i stand corrected (quite often) :)

[03:38:07]

mythster:

yeah but my OS doesnt have any form of qt

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mythster:

:-\

[03:38:47]

iamlindoro_:

ergo your problem

[03:39:06]

iamlindoro_:

Anyway, sleep well, I'll most likely kill you in the morning

[03:39:18]

EnderTheThird:

Back at you

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EnderTheThird:

mythster: you don't have anything related to libqt available or installed?

[03:40:18]

mythster:

i don tthink

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mythster:

I'm going to check some stuff out tho

[03:40:34]

mythster:

i'll b back in a min

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EnderTheThird:

I've never used arch, so I can't give you too much specific info. My experience is with ubuntu.

[03:41:36]

iamlindoro_:

I hae an awful hard time believing that libqt isn't available on arch

[03:41:39]

iamlindoro_:

er have

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EnderTheThird:

Thought you were going to bed?

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iamlindoro_:

probably something like "pacman install qt3"

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iamlindoro_:

meh, my soda woke me back up

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EnderTheThird:

Damned soda.

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iamlindoro_:

It's only 8 anyway.

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jams:

qt3 is in the extra repo for arch

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jams:

extra/qt3 3.3.8–6.1

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iamlindoro_:

there ya have it

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mythster:

hey guys I'm having some probs again :-\

[04:09:50]

mythster:

when i try to start mythbackend its says: error while loading lib: libsensors.so.3

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siXy:

so is freenode

[04:10:37]

mythster:

anyone have a clue?

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siXy:

read man ldd :)

[04:11:08]

mythster:

J-e-f-f-A, are you there?

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iamlindoro_:

mythster: Each of these is a missing dependency... google (or, if necessary, rpmfind.net) will give you all the answers you need

[04:13:57]

mythster:

i am googling but it seems like its missing alot of libs it shouldnt be.. I followed the arch wiki to a tee and its still spitting out missing lib after missing lib

[04:13:58]

iamlindoro_:

(in this case, lm_sensors)

[04:14:43]

iamlindoro_:

mythster: doesn't change the answer any, they're still missing deps, you're still going to have to fulfill them

[04:14:46]

mythster:

supposedly the wiki is updated w/ the most current core package and you only have to make sure you've got the qt3 pack rather than the updated qt which is qt4

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J-e-f-f-A:

mythster: I'm back... Had to pick up my son from work...

[04:15:14]

mythster:

alright i was just wondering if it were a sign that something else was messed up

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mythster:

hey jeff

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mythster:

gotta love missing deps :)

[04:16:10]

astyler:

hey I've been looking at splitting my frontend/backend

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astyler:

if I have hardware encoders (pvr150), how light can I go on my backend CPU?

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jams:

man the arch myth packages must really need some work

[04:16:39]

mythster:

why not leave the frontend set up on your backent machine and just adding a mew machine to work as a frontend?

[04:17:04]

mythster:

jams, something needs done

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mythster:

its pathetic

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mythster:

i've been trouble shooting for an hour

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iamlindoro_:

astyler: Fairly light. lots of people running multiple PVRs on ~400 Mhz machines

[04:17:22]

astyler:

well the machine I have is decently powerful and is more suited to frontend work of HDTV output and such

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jams:

i suppose..guess thats why i don't use it

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astyler:

ok so a middle-road celeron will do the job

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iamlindoro_:

astyler: probably

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astyler:

are there any intensive jobs itll slow down on?

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mythster:

astyler, if its any help i'm using a p4 2.26ghz 512mb ddr to do all of my work

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astyler:

i.e. commercial flagging?

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iamlindoro_:

astyler: Not recording... commercial flagging and transcoding will kill it, though

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mythster:

i have a gforce 6200A running dvi out to hdmi on my 27" olivia

[04:18:57]

mythster:

and i have comm flagging running just fine

[04:19:03]

mythster:

havent tried trans tho

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astyler:

wait, im sorry I get lost in the terms

[04:19:25]

astyler:

transcoding is what?

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mythster:

trans coding essentially bonds the audio and video together

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iamlindoro_:

Umm... no.

[04:19:57]

iamlindoro_:

That's muzing

[04:19:59]

iamlindoro_:

er muxing

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mythster:

well then what is it?

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jams:

mythster- sure looks like lm_sensors is listed as a dep, so it should have been isntalled.

[04:20:24]

iamlindoro_:

transcoding is changing from one format to another, in order to change codec, resize, etc.

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astyler:

ok

[04:20:54]

astyler:

so if my pvr encodes the analog to mpeg2 and my digital tuner just grabs the digital mpeg2 as it comes in..

[04:21:03]

mythster:

iamlindoro, mine is recording it to mp4.. that mean its trans coding?

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astyler:

my cpu won't have transcoding jobs?

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mythster:

wait no mines mpeg2

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astyler:

i think switching to mpeg4 is transcoding

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mythster:

astyler you'll prolly be fine.. i only have a p4 2.26ghz

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mythster:

and its fine

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momelod:

anyone know how to change the fonts for subtitles in mythvideo internal player?

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iamlindoro_:

astyler: If you intend to losslss cut commercials, that's a transcode (although it's a special type), or if you intend to reduce it in size, that would be a transcode

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astyler:

ok, I see

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astyler:

I think I would just flag the commercials and skip them while watching instead of cutting

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mythster:

iamlindoro_, how much ram would you req?

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mythster:

i have 512 but am thinking about upgrading my other pc so i'll then have 1 g that i could add to my myth

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mythster:

so i'd have 1.5g in my myth

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mythster:

that or i'm gonna buy another pc..

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astyler:

from what I hear, that is more than enough

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iamlindoro_:

mythster: That's a wide open question... on a low power SD frontend, as little as 256 (or even less) could be fine... On a high end combined backend frontend machine doing HD, 1 GB + is a good idea

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mythster:

ok

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mythster:

i might as well do it

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iamlindoro_:

My primary backend/frontend is a beastly 1080p machine, and is a Core 2 Quad with 4 GB RAM

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mythster:

my current main PC is going to be replaced next year and the current machine is going to become the master myth backend w/ frontend for my mastere bedroom

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mythster:

gs lol

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mythster:

iamlindoro_, just out of curiousity how much does something like that cost

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mythster:

i'm trying to decide what exactly to do...

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astyler:

i can help with hardware

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astyler:

q6600 will run you ~ $260

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mythster:

i was thinkin that my p4 2.8 @ 800mhz w/ 2 1g DDR @ 400mhz would do for a master backend

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astyler:

you'd want a 3rd party cooler like an AC7 freezer pro ~$20

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iamlindoro_:

mythster: Hmm... got a lot when it was on sale... probably $1Kish before the hard drives

[04:25:49]

mythster:

hmm

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astyler:

~$120 for a MB, ~80 for 4GB

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mythster:

how much storage do you have hdd wise?

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Tusker:

heya guys, I am trying to run the latest mythtv (0.20.2.svn20071021–0.2) with pvr-350 tv-out enabled. It shows the X display on the tv out no problem, nice and crisp, but I can't seem to "watch tv". It says "Unable to initialize video". Any ideas?

[04:26:10]

mythster:

i've got a 500g portable hdd connected via Esata

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iamlindoro_:

1 TB for recordings, 3 TB for MythVideo

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mythster:

damn

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J-e-f-f-A:

mythster: I ran my backend on a dual PIII 866 w/512mb ram for nearly 2 years... with 3 SD tuners (PVR-500 & PVR-250), and two HD tuners (HD3000,HD5500)

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mythster:

damn

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squish102:

J-e-f-f-A was that stable?

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astyler:

ram+MB+cpu+cooler+dvd optical would run ~$700

[04:27:12]

astyler:

add hard drives and ~80 for PSU

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J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: Yes, perfectly stable... ;-)

[04:27:25]

astyler:

$50-$200 for a case

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iamlindoro_:

Backend only machines don't need to be expensive at all unless you're doing a lot of transcoding of HD

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dgilmore:

im trying to work out why when i load the guide my cpu usage jumps to 100% and the guide is not responsive

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jmusits:

Tusker: what version of the X ivtv driver are you running?

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Tusker:

let me check...

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Tusker:

ivtv: Start initialization, version 1.1.0 <

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Tusker:

that's according to dmesg

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jmusits:

Tusker not that one that is your ivtv driver in the kernel (used for encoding video)

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Tusker:

ah, good point

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Tusker:

how to check ivtv X module version ?

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jmusits:

what distro are you running?

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Tusker:

knoppmyth

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Tusker:

dpkg -l '*myth*' ? :)

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Tusker:

xserver-xorg-video-ivtv 0.10.6–1

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Tusker:

ah

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Tusker:

is that conflicting with the mythtv version I am using ?

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jmusits:

not sure I have been running 20.2 for a while and just upgraded my ivtv drivers (both encode and X) and I have the same prob

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Tusker:

ahh

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jmusits:

just recompiled mythtv from SVN trunk

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jmusits:

err head

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Tusker:

i might try with: http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/xf86-video-ivtv/arch . . . 1.0.0.tar.gz

[04:37:56]

jmusits:

and am going to be firing up in a few minutes

[04:38:05]

jmusits:

thats what version I have

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Tusker:

oh ok :)

[04:38:32]

jmusits:

if it is a no go, I did find a patch that claims to fix this problem

[04:38:46]

jmusits:

wil require another recompile on my slow ass box though

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jmusits:

:(

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Tusker:

what processor have you got in there ?

[04:39:11]

jmusits:

I will let you know what the result is though either wat

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jmusits:

s/wat/way/

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jmusits:

p3 800

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jmusits:

w/ a pvr-350 and pvr-250

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jmusits:

dont really need much with the hardware encoding/decoding of the video

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Tusker:

yah ok

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Tusker:

why do you have both the 350 and 250 ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jmusits: You'll be fine... Like I told mythster above, I ran for 2 or 3 years on a dual PIII 866 w/512mb ram, a pvr-500, pvr-250, HD3000 and HD5500... no problems...

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jmusits:

J-e-f-f-A yeah I have had this box running myth now for about 5 years, my old man's mythtv box is a p2 450 with a pvr-350, runs great since I upgraded his ram

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J-e-f-f-A:

jmusits: cool. I thought you were asking if it would work. ;-)

[04:44:39]

jmusits:

nah, I have been having some issues since an upgrade of the ivtv drivers

[04:44:44]

jmusits:

as is Tusker

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jmusits:

apparently my new compile from svn head is still not making thing work

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jmusits:

ever seen this before: MPEGRec(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: Error getting codec params using old IVTV ioctl?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jmusits: No... I'm running SVN 15336 – and haven't updated ivtv drivers in a year or so...

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jmusits:

hmm... well I guess it debuggin time :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

jmusits: I appear to be running ivtv 0.10.2 ...

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jmusits:

Tusker: good news after compiling the current SVN watching video is as good as before

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Tusker:

jmusits: ah great

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Tusker:

jmusits: do you compile everything from scratch ?

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jmusits:

J-e-f-f-A: i needed to change my gdm login to run /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend instead of /usr/bin/mythfrontend (the svn default vs the gentoo default)

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jmusits:

Tusker: just my X ivtv driver and mythtv

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Tusker:

i'm trying to compile that X 1.0.0 driver... can't find videodev2.h ...

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jmusits:

Tusker: didnt have that problem myself

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Tusker:

ok, i'll look around

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momelod:

anyone know how to change the fonts for subtitles in mythvideo internal player?

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momelod:

or switch the color?

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siXy:

should be the same as the globabl subtitle setting in tv playback options

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momelod:

osd fonts?

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siXy:

maybe. i thought there was a subtitle section too, but could be wrong

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momelod:

found it, default caption font

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momelod:

thanx

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momelod:

is there a way to change the color?

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russK:

is there a way to make a queued job run now?

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Tusker:

jmusits: I'm having filesystem errors, I might do a low level format of my drive and start from scratch :)

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jmusits:

Tusker: sorry to hear that, I should be around tomorrow if you run into any problems

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clever:

russK: you can probly cancle and requeue it

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clever:

russK: but thats painfully slow because the cancle takes ages to get thru

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Tusker:

jmusits: ok, cheers

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Tusker:

jmusits: I'm going to try out mythbuntu and see how it goes :)

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jmusits:

good luck, I have no experience w/ mythbuntu, heard its nice

[05:14:10]

jmusits:

I;m running gentoo over here

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Tusker:

ah ok

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jmusits:

any driver/mythtv issue you have should be the same as I have thoug

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Tusker:

true

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mythster:

hey has anyone encountered a problem w/ libsensors?

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mythster:

i've installed lmsenors which contains libsensors and its still not working properly

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jmusits:

xris: you around?

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xris:

jmusits: yes, sort of

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jmusits:

xris: just upgraded to the svn head and mythweb works as expected except the program listing page is blank

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jmusits:

thought you would be the guy to ask

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xris:

weird

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xris:

php errors?

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jmusits:

yeah I thought so too

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jmusits:

hmm.. let me turn them on and check

[05:40:10]

jmusits:

no php errors, however I di notice firebug gives me a js error

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jmusits:

_59 is not a function on line 1 of prototype.js

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xris:

that's expected

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jmusits:

I can pop a quick hole in my firewall if you want a look

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xris:

protype is compressed (hence the _59), and for some reason firebug spits an error even though it's inside of an eval

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jmusits:

gotcha

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xris:

page is completely blank?

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xris:

other pages work?

[05:45:01]

jmusits:

not completely

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jmusits:

only where the "table" of program listing would be, the header is there as expected

[05:45:46]

xris:

there should be a php error in the logs, then

[05:45:54]

xris:

possibly out of memory?

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jmusits:

let up my memory limit

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xris:

to what?

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jmusits:

right now it is not set

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jmusits:

i dont what php's memory is set to by default

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xris:

8M by default

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xris:

it's never enough

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xris:

did you use the included apache conf file, or are you still using htaccess?

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jmusits:

I used the include apache conf file, but I still have the standard httpd.conf file, so I wouldn't think the mythweb.conf would get run

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xris:

yeah. re-read the instructions

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jmusits:

k, I must have missed something

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jmusits:

sorry to bother

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xris:

you'll want a bunch of stuff the mythweb conf provides.

[05:52:52]

xris:

depending on your distro, it's just a matter of tweaking a couple of paths in the mythweb.conf and dropping it in /etc/httpd/conf.d/

[05:53:11]

xris:

there should already be a setting there to bump up the php memory limit

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jmusits:

gotcha, thanks for your help :)

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xris:

np

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xris:

I'm sure I'll be around if you have more questions

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xris:

btw, you see mytnweb has a flash player now?

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jmusits:

yeah, I will def have to play around w/ that

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xris:

the flex code is in svn under mythextras if you ever feel like poking around

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jmusits:

cool, never looked at flex before, but I'm always up for something new :)

[06:04:17]

jmusits:

well, I'm off to bed, I'll take a look at this tomorrow, too tired to think straight right now

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doobeh:

Would this be the best place to ask a few questions about xmltv?

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xris:

doobeh: #xmltv?

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xris:

sort of depends on what kind of xmltv questions

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doobeh:

xmltv's empty-- I live in the carribean, which gets a... customized american feed

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doobeh:

different channel numbers, same programs/times though

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cesman:

hi xris

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cesman:

how are you?

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xris:

cesman: not bad.

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doobeh:

Looking for a way to grab a listing for a closly matching cable provider in the states, strip out the channels I don't have (easy) and then reorder it all, so Myth can import it and it would all work nicely

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xris:

doobeh: if you renuber things in mythtv, mfdb won't "fix" them again unless you tell it to

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doobeh:

ahh okay, so I can reorder myth to match the listings, great

[06:09:15]

doobeh:

this might turn out to be rather easy :)

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cesman:

doobeh: after you are done, I'd ask that you consider a wiki entry

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xris:

doobeh: yeah, as long as the xmltvid field stays the same

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doobeh:

cesman: I shall endeavor to share the wealth :)

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xris:

doobeh: mythweb has a fairly basic channel editor

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cesman:

doobeh: thanks :)

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xris:

cesman: I'm trying to work on SD to get some official printed disks made up.. won't make it in time for SCALE, though

[06:11:16]

cesman:

doh!

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cesman:

I'm working on finishing up an ISO this weekend

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xris:

I want to get a disk with all of the non-distro SD apps on it. and then disks for mythdora, mythbuntu and knopmyth

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xris:

surprisingly close usage breakdown between the myth-based distros.

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xris:

13% of SD users use mythbuntu or knopmyth, and about 10% using mythbuntu

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xris:

(that's 13% each)

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CCFL_Man2:

guys

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mythster:

hey

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CCFL_Man2:

i'm watching an unencrypted nbc news feed

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mythster:

any clue why myth on arch is telling me it can connect to my backend and ot check the ip despite the fact i have it configured the exact same way it was on another linux and worked fine?

[06:50:46]

mythster:

how can i tell for a fact that my backend is running?

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CCFL_Man2:

live video of this news anchor, a feed directly from the news truck

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CCFL_Man2:

of nbc 12 in arizona

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mythster:

kool

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mythster:

u have any clue how to tell if mythbackend is actually running?

[06:51:33]

mythster:

this thing is pissin me off

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Dagmar:

You could read a basic Linux tutorial.

[06:51:52]

Dagmar:

...or you could type ps -C mythbackend

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mythster:

i have been

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Dagmar:

No, you haven't.

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mythster:

nothing is making sense as to why its not working

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mythster:

Dagmar, its returns: PID TTY and TIME CMD

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mythster:

that mean its working?

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: this is quite amusing, when she's in between stuff you can see her looking at her scripts, etc

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Dagmar:

mythster: No it means you're FAR over your head with Linux.

[06:58:12]

Dagmar:

Read a Linux tutorial.

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Dagmar:

Otherwise, this whole process is going to be AGONY UNENDING for you.

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CCFL_Man2:

sky 12 is their helicopter shot

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CCFL_Man2:

the segment is over now

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CCFL_Man2:

it was from kpnx tv in arizona

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orkid:

what's the impact of this http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/02/02/0219216.shtml on mythtv?

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Dagmar:

probably nothing because TiVo aren't assholes

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orkid:

i have no experience with tivo the hardware, or the company, but that's good to hear

[07:16:39]

Dagmar:

Their main motivation is that they put a lot of money and time into developing a market for a turnkey device, and then even more time and research effort into making it into technology they could sell to ISPs

[07:16:49]

Dagmar:

Not to mention the nearly ENDLESS parade of stupid lawsuits

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Dagmar:

THey don't seem too inclined to engage in lawsuits like that themselves

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Guyfromhe:

myth isn't really making any money, so they have nothing to sue for

[07:18:00]

Guyfromhe:

suing dish will get them lots of cash

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Guyfromhe:

and will force them to license their tech if they wanna keep using it

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CCFL_Man2:

i just don't want myth to be affected

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Guyfromhe:

i highly doubt it will be in any way

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Dagmar:

Basically, yeah

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Dagmar:

They put a LOT of effort into creating a market and a whole raft of technology, defending it all teh way

[07:20:10]

CCFL_Man2:

btw, what is that link about, i'm on a terminal so i can't check

[07:20:12]

cesman:

TiVo would have to break dont my door and pry my ISOs from my cold death hand

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Dagmar:

They've got a bit of a right to protect that investment against companies who are trying to jack it

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Dagmar:

We (mythTV users) are not a threat to them in the least, so no worries

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Guyfromhe:

and were not taking away from their proft margin

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Guyfromhe:

they want dish to pay them to license their tech

[07:21:27]

Guyfromhe:

dish is making money off their patent

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CCFL_Man2:

oh, tivo does?

[07:21:42]

Guyfromhe:

tivo is using dish network because they patented DVR technology

[07:21:51]

Guyfromhe:

using = suing

[07:22:11]

Guyfromhe:

don't you have lynx on your terminal?

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CCFL_Man2:

is this suit even valid or does tivo really have a point?

[07:22:39]

Dagmar:

No, TiVo is suing dish because they're basically ripping off the product and service that TiVo invented and fought to defend the existance of.

[07:22:57]

Dagmar:

It not just because they have a patent.

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CCFL_Man2:

Guyfromhe: cam't copy and paste

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Guyfromhe:

ahhh

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Guyfromhe:

Dagmar: their suing them for money, because thats what companies do

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: why don't they sue for tire companies for reinventing the wheel?

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Guyfromhe:

they sue eachother to try to exploit as much money out of anyone who has it

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Guyfromhe:

they do, everyone sues everyone

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Dagmar:

CCFL_Man2: because they didn't get sued for inventing the wheel in the first place

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Guyfromhe:

if they have cash

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: ahh

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Guyfromhe:

everyone and their dog is suing google

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Dagmar:

You guys seem to forget that TiVo got sued about every little thing that one could possibly call into question

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Dagmar:

They got sued over commercial flagging

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Dagmar:

They got sued over fast forwarding

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CCFL_Man2:

Guyfromhe: they won't sue dave because they had an aggreement with them

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Dagmar:

They got sued over recording shows

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Dagmar:

Literally everything under the sun some media attorney could come up with a fever-dream excuse for, they got sued over

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Guyfromhe:

thats because Dave is already paying them

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Dagmar:

So they rode out all that bullshit and developed a product that was useful and would sell

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Dagmar:

...and now DirecTV decided to compete in that very market.

[07:26:07]

Dagmar:

Big effing mistake

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: i don't like how the 30 second skip is no more

[07:26:31]

Dagmar:

They're quite in the moral clear on this one

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Guyfromhe:

it's no more?

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Dagmar:

CCFL_Man2: Yes, that would be one of the lawsuits

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Guyfromhe:

in what?

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Dagmar:

ReplayTV had the same issue.

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: mythtv ftw then

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Dagmar:

They *did not* survive the perpetual rain of lawsuits over trivial shit.

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Guyfromhe:

motorola still has the 30 second skip

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Guyfromhe:

i love my 30 second skip

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: it's a real shame, people just want to cut the bullshit, why do these media companies have to be assholes?

[07:27:56]

orkid:

i just installed myth, and don't have a capture card (yet), but i have some avis. i installed mythvideo, but it seems like i need mplayer or another player to play them. is this true? right now, when i hit enter on a video, nothing happens, mplayer starts (on one of the computers i tried it on) but nothing gets displayed

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Dagmar:

CCFL_Man2: That would be about the money

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Guyfromhe:

money

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Guyfromhe:

same reason their suing everyone

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CCFL_Man2:

when will people learn they can't take money with them when they die?

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Dagmar:

I highly doubt TiVo would even consider suing MythTV dev, ever

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Guyfromhe:

me too

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Guyfromhe:

CCFL_Man2: big corps don't die

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CCFL_Man2:

i doubt it too, mythtv isn't really commercial

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CCFL_Man2:

Guyfromhe: they should

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Guyfromhe:

yup

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Guyfromhe:

m$ is gunna buy yahoo apparently

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mchou:

lol

[07:30:02]

Guyfromhe:

now their both gunna suck

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mchou:

Guyfromhe: way to early for that

[07:30:15]

Guyfromhe:

no that they didn't both suck before

[07:30:18]

CCFL_Man2:

Guyfromhe: they both suck now

[07:30:28]

Guyfromhe:

they do

[07:30:34]

mchou:

I agree with CCFL_Man2

[07:30:42]

mchou:

they both suck ass now

[07:30:44]

orkid:

they've been _buying_ yahho for two years now

[07:30:52]

CCFL_Man2:

yahoo is the most useless shit to ever hit the internet

[07:30:53]

orkid:

... can anyone help me with my problem?

[07:30:59]

orkid:

haha

[07:31:01]

orkid:

n00b ?

[07:31:02]

mchou:

orkid: you mean attempting :)

[07:31:16]

orkid:

yahho was the first big search engine out there

[07:31:29]

orkid:

it has a huge following, it is amazing what the company has achieved

[07:31:33]

Guyfromhe:

it was crap then, it's crap now

[07:31:38]

mchou:

yahoo had it's uses but they werent run smartly

[07:31:44]

CCFL_Man2:

there is no point of yahoo existing really, they are a waste of the internet

[07:31:52]

Guyfromhe:

yup

[07:31:52]

mchou:

they could have been the google

[07:31:59]

Guyfromhe:

naww

[07:32:03]

Dagmar:

Fuck

[07:32:07]

mchou:

but they wasted it

[07:32:08]

Guyfromhe:

hotbot kicked yahoos ass back in the day

[07:32:11]

CCFL_Man2:

orkid: i never liked their search engine

[07:32:15]

Dagmar:

I really should have dropped in a large order for Yahoo stock this morning

[07:32:30]

Dagmar:

I have really got to stop being a doubting thomas about this crap

[07:32:34]

Guyfromhe:

did it go up?

[07:32:46]

mchou:

yahoo went up, MSFT went down

[07:32:54]

Dagmar:

Guyfromhe: From 19.18 to 28.38 sound like it went up to you?

[07:33:04]

mchou:

that's the way it works

[07:33:04]

Guyfromhe:

thats quite an up

[07:33:09]

Dagmar:

CNN was talking about it at freaking 4am

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xris:

nice 20/20 hindsight. :)

[07:33:20]

Dagmar:

xris: This is my curse.

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mchou:

meanwhile, what's google's stock price? :)

[07:33:35]

Guyfromhe:

like $800 a share

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Dagmar:

mchou: I think you have to pass a credit check before you can even ASK that question

[07:33:46]

xris:

yahoo's search engine started sucking (completely) when they started taking payment for placement.

[07:33:53]

tanner:

does HDHomeRun also pick up analog channels?

[07:33:59]

xris:

Dagmar: not as bad as brka

[07:34:01]

mchou:

yeah, almost 2 orders of magnitude

[07:34:41]

mchou:

sad to see yahoo flail so uselessly

[07:34:41]

Dagmar:

Jesus christ

[07:35:08]

** mdew-home sends a new ati-remote patch to lkml **

[07:35:18]

Dagmar:

OKay. Screw this. I'm punting 3 grand at E-Trade

[07:35:24]

xris:

Dagmar: you don't know about berksire hathaway?

[07:35:31]

mchou:

lol

[07:35:34]

Dagmar:

xris: Never heard of them before

[07:35:35]

xris:

that's stock in warren buffet. he doesn't believe in splits.

[07:35:41]

Dagmar:

Clearly

[07:35:54]

Dagmar:

You could buy a share of that, or you could buy a small house

[07:35:59]

xris:

yup

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xris:

the man can control the stock market with his personal purchases.

[07:36:36]

mchou:

never mind yahoo search, just their UI sucks big time

[07:36:47]

xris:

I've heard rumors that he's not allowed to make any big trades without checking with the SEC first.

[07:36:47]

Guyfromhe:

it does that too

[07:37:00]

mchou:

if theeir UI were better they'd at least win half the battle

[07:37:22]

Dagmar:

mchou: seriously. It can be argued that I've lost about $20k in the last year because I see these things happening and just chuckle "Yeah, that's going to go up" and don't take it seriously

[07:37:37]

Dagmar:

I just don't like speculative buying

[07:37:42]

mchou:

Dagmar: dude, that's hardly rocket science

[07:37:48]

xris:

Dagmar: but think about the $20k you still have by not buying the stuff that went down. :)

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orkid:

yahho was around before hotbot was

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mchou:

if you're in the biz you know what's happening

[07:38:01]

Dagmar:

xris: I have yet to be wrong.

[07:38:05]

orkid:

but yes hotbot became the defacto search engine for a short while

[07:38:15]

Guyfromhe:

it did

[07:38:19]

Guyfromhe:

it was a good search engine for a while

[07:38:21]

mchou:

Dagmar: become a day trader then :)

[07:38:24]

Guyfromhe:

then it went the way of the ass

[07:38:33]

Dagmar:

xris: I mean, seriously. Cnn announcer says "Microsoft is offering 4.4 billion dollars to buy Yahoo"

[07:38:34]

xris:

mchou: I have a friend who is a trader, or something like that... says he trades $50–100M daily, and that it doesn't even feel like money anymore

[07:38:39]

Dagmar:

THat's billion with a B.

[07:38:44]

mchou:

Dagmar: put your money where your mouth is :)

[07:38:48]

Dagmar:

It's a no-brainer that's going to make the value rocket up

[07:39:30]

Guyfromhe:

i'm so happy my mythbox is working agian

[07:39:34]

Dagmar:

Mind you, that's probably Microsoft hedging because Vista is floundering and Windows 7 will probably never happen

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Dagmar:

...so it's complete shit for a long-term investment

[07:39:44]

mchou:

anyway, that's death to both if MSFT aquires yahoo

[07:40:22]

** xris doesn't see what's so bad about vista. **

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orkid:

oh sh17 it's saturday, i thought it was friday

[07:40:32]

Guyfromhe:

xris must be blind then

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mchou:

you gotta be kidding me

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xris:

heck, I have vista and XP running just fine... on my mac

[07:40:43]

Guyfromhe:

it was friday a couple hours ago

[07:40:49]

xris:

still friday for me

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mchou:

xris: lol

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Guyfromhe:

not for long

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Dagmar:

xris: It's slower than XP and the only serious upside is that you get really tightly restricted drivers. No wait, that's not an upside.

[07:41:08]

xris:

mchou: I use vista for IE, and photoshop on my wife's box.

[07:41:10]

mchou:

xris: hate tiger that much? :)

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mchou:

xris: IE??

[07:41:27]

xris:

mchou: leopard... and they live in vmware. :)

[07:41:35]

mchou:

xris: what for?

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xris:

mchou: browser testing, quickbooks online for SD.

[07:42:00]

mchou:

quickbooks dont work in other browsers?

[07:42:11]

Dagmar:

mchou: And as to putting my money where my mouht is, that's why I'm finally caving in and throwing three grand at E-Trade

[07:42:20]

Dagmar:

I just have a moral problem with exploiting the idiocy of day-traders

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xris:

mchou: no. it's an activex application.

[07:42:33]

xris:

or something like that

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mchou:

Dagmar: 3K buys you 3 shares in GOOG :)

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Dagmar:

mchou: I know. Ther'es another one I should have bought at IPO

[07:43:15]

Dagmar:

I had the money to, too.

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xris:

mchou: sucks, but it was the "easiest" way for SD board members to share access to that info

[07:44:00]

xris:

Dagmar: my dad's broker back in the 80s told him NOT to buy those shares from that new seattle-based software company... and a few years later, the same thing about a particular seattle-based coffee company.

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Dagmar:

xris: Wow

[07:44:38]

Dagmar:

xris: We wind up being so close to so much of the high-tech "action" tho I half the time feel like I'd be acting on insider information

[07:44:46]

xris:

he did listen to me in the 90s, though... and got a few shares of netscape and apple.

[07:44:50]

mchou:

ok, serious question about myth......

[07:44:57]

Dagmar:

Like most of the people who bought Google at IPO werne't really thinking anyting other than "ooo it's hot, it'll go up"

[07:45:12]

xris:

Dagmar: I don't have enough money to invest...

[07:45:14]

Dagmar:

Most of us geeks were thinking "These are the only people to have managed to make ad banners consistently make money"

[07:45:21]

mchou:

why is it cutting comercials ends up in a bigger file that the recording with commercials?

[07:45:35]

xris:

mchou: did you reencode?

[07:45:39]

Dagmar:

That last bit is _important_. It's a basis for an expectation that the company is going to keep doing well

[07:45:49]

mchou:

xris: yup. via mytharchive

[07:45:50]

siXy:

mchou: use lossless or uncompressed or whatever

[07:46:00]

Dagmar:

mchou: You *had* to have told it to reencode to a different format

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xris:

mchou: check the bitrate, maybe? mytharchive probably upsamples to keep up with dvd spec.

[07:46:34]

mchou:

Dagmar: no. mpeg2 (recording) to mpeg2 (dvd)

[07:46:40]

xris:

Dagmar: I'll eventually get in on an ipo.

[07:46:46]

xris:

ifloor.com will go public eventually

[07:47:09]

mchou:

lol

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Dagmar:

mchou: Lemme put this another way. Using 'lossless' transcode, the thing doesn't reencode anything but a smidgen here and there.

[07:47:26]

Dagmar:

If you got a bigger file, you didn't use the 'lossless' mechanism

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mchou:

Dagmar: where is loseless specified in mytharchive?

[07:48:07]

Dagmar:

mchou: In the transcoding profiles

[07:48:16]

Dagmar:

The 'high quality' one is by defauly the lossless one

[07:48:23]

mchou:

Dagmar: ok, I'll check that out

[07:48:49]

Dagmar:

Dunno how well it manages with say, pre-encoded digital cable, but with what comes out of a PVR-xx0 card, it works lightning fast.

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xris:

mchou: I don't think you can do lossless with mytharchive

[07:49:01]

Dagmar:

MythArchive is for burning them to DVD, right?>

[07:49:03]

mchou:

xris: that's what I suspected

[07:49:07]

Dagmar:

That's pretty much always going to involve a re-encode

[07:49:17]

mchou:

Dagmar: yup. (or file)

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xris:

mchou: if you want small, use nuvexport

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mchou:

xris: yeah, but I have to give them to friends as in DVD video

[07:49:53]

mchou:

not DVD data

[07:49:58]

xris:

that's not legal....

[07:49:59]

xris:

heh

[07:50:05]

mchou:

huh??

[07:50:12]

xris:

sharing recorded tv content.. not legal

[07:50:18]

Dagmar:

naughyt naughty

[07:50:20]

xris:

neither is recording songs off of the radio to share with friends.

[07:50:21]

Dagmar:

but it's not our problem

[07:50:24]

mchou:

what???

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siXy:

mchou: otherwise those lost torrents you downloaded would have been legal :)

[07:50:59]

mchou:

even if the shows are from PBS?

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: i want a weatherstar 4000

[07:51:11]

xris:

pbs content is still copyrighted

[07:51:16]

xris:

very few stuff is in the public domain.

[07:51:26]

mchou:

xris: sharing tapes is legal

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xris:

mchou: since when?

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Dagmar:

PBS is mainly just glad to have people watching their programming, I think

[07:51:48]

CCFL_Man2:

pbs kicks ass

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mchou:

in fact that's why there's a cumpolsoy royalty

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xris:

that's one of the main reasons that torrentocracy was shut out early.... they were stupidly claiming that stuff like presidential debates were public domain.

[07:51:58]

Dagmar:

xris: Basically the ruling amounted to if the person could have recorded it themselves, then there's no harm, no foull

[07:52:18]

mchou:

xris: google compulsory royalty

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xris:

Dagmar: interesting. so basically if mchou's friends have a mythtv machine capable of recording/burning DVDs of shows, then it's ok for him to record/burn DVDs of shows for them?

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mchou:

xris: considering I've done my research in this area, I know this area quite well

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Dagmar:

...and you'd be hard-pressed to find a judge or lawyer who would want to get involved in a case where someone recorded something, their next-door neighbor missed it, and subsequently had to go buy it or something

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mchou:

xris: yup, for non-commercial use

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Dagmar:

xris: Provided they're both cable subscribers and so forth

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xris:

pretty sure the dmca is all over that... not that it's not a stupid law, or might not be worth prosecuting.....

[07:54:36]

mchou:

xris: nope. check again

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Dagmar:

The DMCA is an end-run around a LOT of this shit

[07:54:43]

mchou:

DCMA aint all over that

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CCFL_Man2:

here is a good question, is a raw nbc feed copyrighted despite reception is free and unencrypted?

[07:55:03]

Dagmar:

If something's encrypted, and you break the encryption, you're screwed.

[07:55:18]

Dagmar:

If yer cable box does the decryption because you're a customer, that's another matter.

[07:55:23]

mchou:

copyright is different issue from encryption

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purserj:

CCFL_Man2: broadcasts are held to be copyrighted works

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xris:

Dagmar: and it's been held up in some court that "digitizing" and "encryption" are basically the same thing

[07:55:37]

purserj:

at least they are here in Australia

[07:55:44]

xris:

purserj: same in the US

[07:55:51]

xris:

well, assuming they're not public domaion

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mchou:

purserj: whe arent talking about AUS :)

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xris:

which very few things are

[07:55:56]

Dagmar:

xris: So, basically, so long as you're a customer, you can't run afoul of that

[07:56:10]

xris:

Dagmar: until you "share"...

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purserj:

the Broadcaster gets a 50 year copyright on the broadcast over and above what the original copyright holder gets

[07:56:14]

CCFL_Man2:

purserj: even the raw feeds directly from the news trucks that are usually hidden from public view?

[07:56:16]

xris:

even with other customers

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purserj:

CCFL_Man2: especially those

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mchou:

xris: you know "mix" tapes are legal, right?

[07:56:37]

Dagmar:

xris: Nah you are still allowed to share with your neighbors

[07:56:55]

CCFL_Man2:

purserj: even if the anchor picks her nose inbetween segments?

[07:57:00]

mchou:

xris: like if "xris' favorites mix" given to xris' friend

[07:57:07]

xris:

Dagmar: we're talking about the people who are going after people with TVs of a certain size to charge them theatre fees for showing movies in their homes.

[07:57:20]

Dagmar:

That, is a ludicrous assertion

[07:57:23]

xris:

yup

[07:57:33]

Dagmar:

Those lawyers will have a SERIOUS uphill battle going on there

[07:57:42]

xris:

I'll stick to my cynical opinion until someone can show me some court/legal documents otherwise.

[07:57:53]

xris:

just because something hasn't been tested, doesn't make it explicitly legal

[07:58:07]

mchou:

xris: your opinion aint worth much since you arent a lawyer :)

[07:58:08]

Dagmar:

Well, a great deal of what we've been talking about has been tested

[07:58:14]

Dagmar:

It got hashed out back in the VHS days

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mchou:

xris: not lested by definition means it's legal

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Dagmar:

Not to say that it won't be tested again, because the whole "perfect digital copies" thing makes lawyers itchy

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mchou:

tested*

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purserj:

mix tapes are about as legal as sampling is

[07:58:44]

Dagmar:

He's got you there

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purserj:

that is not at all

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CCFL_Man2:

why can't people just all get along and not worry about content? like in the old days?

[07:59:19]

purserj:

if you're distributing a copyrighted work without permission then you're in breach

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purserj:

CCFL_Man2: you mean like when it was perfectly legal in the US to rip off Lord Of The Rings?

[07:59:48]

mchou:

purserj: US has fair use, AUS doesnt

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Dagmar:

Mix tapes are legal, so long as you're not selling them or basically trying to profit from them

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mchou:

Dagmar: right, non commercial use

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: the media companies want to supress fair use though

[08:00:34]

Dagmar:

Yes, they do.

[08:00:38]

Dagmar:

Because they're lunatics.

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mchou:

whereas a sample is DISTINCTLY different (like if you use is in a new rap song that you sell)

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purserj:

There is a difference between fair use and distributing copies to all your mates though

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Dagmar:

They don't care that that basically opens the door for full on censorship

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: i agreee 100%

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Dagmar:

mchou: LIke Mr. P Diddy and his incredible Rip Offs

[08:01:19]

xris:

mchou: right back at you (on the not a lawyer bit)

[08:01:25]

CCFL_Man2:

purserj: if you're not selling them, who cares?

[08:01:32]

** xris finally decides on tonight's alcoholic beverage **

[08:01:34]

justinh:

CCFL_Man2: lawyers care

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mchou:

xris: except I've consulted lawyers on this bit

[08:01:57]

xris:

you paid them for legal advice?

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: because they make money on the suits

[08:02:04]

mchou:

xris: yup

[08:02:29]

** xris goes back to figuring out upnp **

[08:02:52]

justinh:

I wouldn't class giving a copy of a recording to a friend to be fair use

[08:03:06]

Dagmar:

justinh: That's because you're a limey

[08:03:20]

justinh:

when friends ask if I've recorded such & such a thing I normally tell them to get knotted because it's too much effort to archive something off

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: LOL!

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orkid:

what about having your friends over to watch?

[08:04:46]

orkid:

:)

[08:05:04]

** xris just invites friends over to watch **

[08:05:06]

xris:

now my tongue is numb... yay alcohol

[08:05:07]

CCFL_Man2:

orkid: PIRACY!

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justinh:

there's nothing bad about having to pay for content so long as a) it's reasonable and b) doesn't restrict how you use the content IMHO – within limits. prohibiting unbounded copying & sharing is reasonable

[08:06:11]

xris:

justinh: does hulu.com work for you?

[08:06:16]

Dagmar:

justinh: This is why in the US the limit is personal acquaintences

[08:06:20]

xris:

curious if they'd let in a uk ip address

[08:06:34]

mchou:

Dagmar: and non-commercial use

[08:06:35]

Dagmar:

...as in you can share with your friends, but not everyone is your friend, obviously.

[08:06:38]

xris:

Dagmar: that's a pretty vague definition.

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justinh:

xris: no it doesn't. says I'm not allowed at this time

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xris:

justinh: lame

[08:07:05]

mchou:

xris: it's not vague at all. It's enshrined in law

[08:07:08]

xris:

well, cool service for americans

[08:07:15]

xris:

mchou: "personal acquaintance"?

[08:07:16]

justinh:

'at this time' may or may not mean they have plans to roll it out all over the world

[08:07:46]

xris:

sounds pretty vague to me. I met Isaac once. that makes him a personal acquaintance.

[08:07:50]

mchou:

xris: the law says nothing about personal acquaintaince. jus non-commecrcial use

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Dagmar:

xris: Putting up a craigslist ad saying "would like to meet someone with BSG season 2 recordings for sharing" will not work under the precedents that were set

[08:07:57]

mchou:

just*

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jmusits:

damn sleep is so ellusive sometimes

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xris:

mchou: dmca blew away the non-commercial copyright infringement clauses if "digital" is involved... and before that, non-commercial just meant it was a lesser offense.. still illegal

[08:08:37]

Dagmar:

It's a fairly common-sense thing.

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justinh:

my sleep was interrupted by noisy wind outside again

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jmusits:

hmm...the fair use debate I see i going on

[08:09:02]

justinh:

ooo snow!

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Dagmar:

WHat mchou is talking about is another aspect of fair use for certain non-commercial purposes that is mainly what's pissing off the Scientologists at the moment

[08:09:19]

mchou:

huh??

[08:09:38]

xris:

Dagmar: you mean parody?

[08:09:40]

Dagmar:

The Scientology videos that they're so hot and bothered to let no one see how crazy they all are

[08:09:42]

jmusits:

justinh: where are you where the snow is flying, we are getting rain/sleet here in upstate NY

[08:09:45]

Dagmar:

xris: Nope.

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Dagmar:

For purposes of "criticism" or analysis and whatnot

[08:10:01]

justinh:

anyway VHS precedent or no, that's what HDCP et al are designed to prevent, it's reckoned

[08:10:18]

Dagmar:

Like you can cite someone's copyrighted work in your own work, with reference and so on

[08:10:27]

xris:

Dagmar: yeah, but only tiny portions.

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: but copies are made by riping a disc, hdcp is useless

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mchou:

xris: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Home_Recording_Act

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mchou:

xris: read up on that

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Dagmar:

The Scientology videos that are getting attacked by the Scientologists' lawyers are being attacked because the wackjobs have copyright on them

[08:11:07]

Dagmar:

...but the videos are being used for direct criticism

[08:11:08]

justinh:

heh slapping your warez group name over a torrented video of Heroes can't be construed to be a parody :P

[08:11:44]

Dagmar:

xris: When the material is basically wall-to-wall crazy, things change a bit. Heh

[08:11:45]

xris:

mchou: I don't see anything conclusive there about video

[08:11:56]

mchou:

xris: that adresses DIGITAL recordings specifically

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xris:

mchou: The AHRA's definition of "digital audio recording device" includes explicit exceptions for devices that are used primarily to record non-musical sounds

[08:13:07]

Dagmar:

Wow

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justinh:

CCFL_Man2: personally I can see why media companies want to protect their content. how they go about it & the limits that imposes on us is something I tend to disagree with. I'd much rather they find a way to watermark the whole lot individually, then come down hard on the sharers. come on – fair dues. if something's worth anything to you it might be worth paying to have a look

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Dagmar:

I'm temtped to flag part of that actually

[08:13:19]

Dagmar:

"Despite their strong playing hand, the recording industry failed to convince consumer electronics companies to voluntarily adopt copy restriction technology" <--- this is just bullshit

[08:13:49]

justinh:

Dagmar: Macrovision anybody? ;)

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Dagmar:

Teh recording industry wasn't asking for copy restriction technology

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mchou:

xris: and that's why there is a comulsory license on media

[08:14:07]

xris:

justinh: yeah. like if the content a) was good and b) cost equivalent to its quality......

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Dagmar:

They were asking for shit on the level of what we have now, i.e., playback restriction and monopoly-creating technology

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mchou:

xris: blank*

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xris:

mchou: huh? not in the US for most stuff.

[08:14:31]

mchou:

xris: lol

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Dagmar:

In Canada you pay for piracy when you buy blank media, but not in the US

[08:14:45]

mchou:

goes to show how much you know

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justinh:

pay per listen.. I can see that being a pipedream of some suits

[08:14:59]

mchou:

Dagmar: in US as well

[08:15:00]

justinh:

Dagmar: what next – a HDD levvy?

[08:15:01]

Dagmar:

justinh: That's one of the things they were trying to go for

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xris:

blank cd/dvd/hard drive aren't covered.. heck, even in canada where there is a huge one, they're talking about rescinding the "download-only" protections but not removing the tax.

[08:15:10]

xris:

justinh: germany has already talked about it.

[08:15:20]

Dagmar:

mchou: ORLY? When did that happen? I must have missed it

[08:15:26]

justinh:

an internet connection levy?

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mchou:

audio CDs have compulsory royalties

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mchou:

blank*

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justinh:

can see that coming about too

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Dagmar:

Ah, that's good.

[08:15:50]

Dagmar:

I only buy data CDs. :)

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mchou:

a % goes to RIAA

[08:16:15]

Dagmar:

I thought for a minute there I was going to have to go through my archives and figure out how much I needed to pirate to get that money back

[08:16:44]

justinh:

xris: I agree with the cost needing to be reasonable. music CDs are like Â£15 now. no way would I pay that for less than 40 minutes of music I likely won't listen to in 2 years time

[08:17:01]

mchou:

computers are specifically excluded (in part due to MSFTnot wanting to hamper digital adoption) :)

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Dagmar:

justsinh: That's not a CD, that's an EP

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justinh:

luckily they're not Â£15 everywhere

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Dagmar:

Freaking 40 minutes is SHORT

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justinh:

Dagmar: oh yeah... that's what they call an album these days

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mchou:

so MSFT was not all evil back in the early days :)

[08:17:35]

Dagmar:

Good thing I am only buying the work of reasonable people

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xris:

justinh: I'm just upset at the distribution stuff... one of my favorite groups is from .be and I can't even BUY their stuff in the US.

[08:17:52]

Dagmar:

"Alternative" music or not, most of the people I listen to stsill like to fill a CD

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xris:

like 20 euros plus shipping to get one of their disks

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justinh:

xris: and the really sad thing about it is how little the actual artists get

[08:18:30]

Dagmar:

xris: Give it time. They're looking to eliminate that

[08:18:56]

Dagmar:

What I find amusing is that the idea of region encoding was shot down during the development of CDs

[08:19:06]

xris:

Dagmar: yeah. digital distribution should make it easy

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Dagmar:

...specifically because it would invite anti-competitive and price-fixing practices

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justinh:

ooo what.. like they have now?

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Dagmar:

No such arguments came up about DVD

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xris:

while I'm thinking about it, I'm running a mac now. can test out amazon's mp3 downloader program

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Dagmar:

xris: The problem there is that these people have gotten it into their head that all new markets much have larger profit margins than before

[08:20:10]

justinh:

I read a while back that the region coding on one of the HD disc formats is broken. as in it's possible to play certain discs out of region on certain players

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Dagmar:

...and so they start with a LUDICROUS margin, and then work their way down as slowly as possible

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Dagmar:

So while it would be cheaper for them to do digital distribution they're not going to share that savings with the customer. Until they're basically at gunpoint over it, they're going to keep that savings AND charge the customer more for the novelty and ease they've provided

[08:21:16]

Dagmar:

This is the reason eBooks fail, too.

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xris:

ebooks fail because reading books on a screen SUCKS

[08:21:33]

Dagmar:

A huge chunk of the cost of books is shipping all that paper around

[08:21:49]

Dagmar:

NO ONE save one company even offers a *discount* for digitally-downloaded books.

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justinh:

thing I always ponder is, now that the hyper-mega-global-media-corps are nice & fat with profit, they're not going to be very willing to rethink their strategy. As long as Joe Schmoe keeps feeding them cash hand over fist (the guy who doesn't think about how wrong the big companies' practises are) it'll continue

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Dagmar:

A couple of publishing houses charge more, but damn near all of them, if you buy a paperback for $6.95 you have to pay $6.95 for the digital version as well

[08:22:37]

Dagmar:

...and they don't see a problem with this.

[08:23:01]

Dagmar:

There's a guy that runs a medium-sized publisher that occasionally shows up at the coffee house I frequent.

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mchou:

Dagmar: why should they see a problem?

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Dagmar:

We've had serious arguments about this.

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mchou:

Dagmar: they are not exactly consumer advocates

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xris:

Dagmar: believe me, I know a lot about the publishing industry.. my wife is trying to be a writer...

[08:23:43]

mchou:

Dagmar: i.e. "whatever the market will bear"

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Dagmar:

mchou: They're just being stupid. Simply on the basis of "we're giving the customer less" they should have been willing to discount electronic books

[08:23:56]

Dagmar:

Instead, they complain that no one ever buys them

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mchou:

Dagmar: that's cause they dont want ppl to buy electronic :)

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xris:

Dagmar: unless it works like valve's steam where if you buy the thing, there is a record on the server and if you delete the local copy you can retrieve it.

[08:24:21]

Dagmar:

SMART people would get the hint that since there's such a large margin there, they could cut some of that and get people coming in the door (virtually)

[08:24:28]

Dagmar:

...but they completely _fail_ to see it

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mchou:

Dagmar: they dont want to be like the music companies :)

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justinh:

Dagmar: it's like that with music too though. companies want you to buy the CD. if you want a digital copy for your portable player, you buy another one. if you want another copy for something else you need to buy it. I'm not even so sure it's about piracy – more greed than anything else. it's a big old mess & nobody has yet found a real workable solution

[08:25:01]

mchou:

file sharing ebooks :)

[08:25:03]

Dagmar:

mchou: You mean the guys who have actually figured out that if you make it a bit cheaper, you get customers? :)

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mchou:

Dagmar: it aint always about volume :)

[08:25:45]

Dagmar:

No, in this case it's about having any customers at all

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Dagmar:

You've no idea how badly ebooks flop

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netgear:

can anyone please help me, i need to add my user to group mythtv, dont want to mess up success i had so far

[08:25:58]

xris:

hmm, at least with amazon you save about $5/album by buying digital

[08:26:05]

mchou:

Dagmar: artificial scarcity is good for established industries

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xris:

netgear: usermod -aG mythtv someusername

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netgear:

thank you

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Dagmar:

Someone who regularly buys books doesn't look at paying $6.95 for a paperback and $6.95 for a digital version and buy the digital version, ever. ...because it doesn't come with a book.

[08:26:37]

justinh:

netgear: if your distro has a nice GUI tool for user management I'd advise you to use that if you're not handy on the command line

[08:26:38]

mchou:

Dagmar: once books go digital there will be no scarcity

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netgear:

ok

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Dagmar:

If it were something like $4.95 or $3.95 for not having a book come with it, there would be folks buying every release in an eyeblink

[08:27:38]

mchou:

Dagmar: my point was book industry never wanted ebooks to thrive in the first place

[08:27:43]

Dagmar:

Obviously

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Dagmar:

I think Radiohead kinda put a big dent in the idea that scarcity is a necessity tho

[08:28:09]

justinh:

Dagmar: well yeah. similar argument for paid-for, time limited video downloads

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mchou:

Dagmar: and I'm not sure I'd do any different if I were in their shoes......

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Dagmar:

mchou: Me, I'd do what put the most money in my hands

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Dagmar:

....which would be digital downloads.

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justinh:

I wouldn't pay Â£.99 to watch one episode of a TV show or a movie I can't keep

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mchou:

Dagmar: naw, you're equating volume with money, which is a fallcy

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justinh:

er.. Â£3.99

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Dagmar:

mchou: No, I'm not.

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mchou:

fallacy*

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xris:

justinh: can't keep?

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Dagmar:

I'm actually doing the opposite

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Dagmar:

I'm not kidding about the majority of the cost of a book being _just printing the damn thing_

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mchou:

nah, shipping costs more

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Dagmar:

Lop that out and 3/4 of the price becomes profit.

[08:30:05]

justinh:

Dagmar: and shipping it, and storing it, distributing it...

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xris:

mchou: shipping pallets is cheap

[08:30:31]

xris:

printing is pretty expensive. paper, ink, bindings, jackets

[08:30:39]

justinh:

xris: yeah there are plenty PPV download services now aren't there

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Dagmar:

So, if you increase the profit there by 300%, you can cut the price by half and still make more money

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: they all suck

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justinh:

hell even the 'free' stuff here in the UK is limited to windows/mac

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Dagmar:

You don't even have to have the same volume as before

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xris:

justinh: yeah. but what CCFL_Man2 said. apple has a few advantages on their tv shows, etc.. you buy, you keep. but their video rental stuff is crap.

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justinh:

not that I'd want to watch a youtube quality tv show...

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xris:

justinh: hulu.com does pretty well. it's comparable to digital cable SD

[08:31:59]

netgear:

this is probably of topic, but i have a hauppauge pvr usb2 and use ubuntu 7.10 should i use the driver that comes with ubuntu or another one? because i dont know how to remove compiled source again

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xris:

would love to see a myth plugin for it

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justinh:

we just don't have the pipes in the UK

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xris:

netgear: does the ubuntu driver work?

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justinh:

netgear: make uninstall should work I think

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netgear:

im setting up mythtv now so i dont know yet

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: the vongo movie service uses drmed wmv, as a rebel isigned up for their free trial and downloaded like 15 movies that i removed the drm, made 5 dvds or so cobtaining 3 wmv movies from vongo

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netgear:

ok, because that machine is also headless, so if i make a mistake i have big problems

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Dagmar:

Vongo is evil

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: wmv video is shit

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Dagmar:

My bandwidth usage pretty much hit epic levels when I tried them out

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Dagmar:

heh

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jmusits:

xris: theoretically mythbrowser could play hulu videos via a flash player?

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xris:

jmusits: yes. but you'd still need a mouse.

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: but, i downloaded 15 movies for free and removed drm on all of them

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jmusits:

not sure though never installed mythbrowser myself

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xris:

and a browser would need to work properly with the "full screen" stuff in flash, which I can't seem to get working in linux

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justinh:

amazed the guys at work yesterday. guy had a SD card that came with his phone he wanted to swap for a 2GB one. great, apart from windows wouldn't let him copy all the apps. linux made it no problem whatsoever :)

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jmusits:

ahh...that is correct

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Dagmar:

CCFL_Man2: I watched a lot more than that. I wasn't really worrying about copying/drm/etc because it's cheap enough that I didn't care

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jmusits:

hulu in firefox works fine fullscreen for me

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xris:

I must have some setting tweaked in firefox to prevent it. I couldn't get it to hide the menubar

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** justinh wonders how come nobody's complained of mythnews' feed xml being out of date in 0.20.x **

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jmusits:

when you say menubar you mean the firefox menubar?

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: anythimg wmv or wma i stay away from, but i realky wanted to try vongo just to test out the drm removal utils :P

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Dagmar:

justinh: When it becomes useful to see the first 20 words of a news article and only the first 20 words, then people will probably start using it enough to notice

[08:35:58]

jmusits:

or the "position tracker" hulu has in their flash player?

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xris:

hmm.. 128kbps aac file from apple, or ~280kbps VBR mp3 file from amazon...

[08:36:31]

xris:

jmusits: firefox, gnome, etc.

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CCFL_Man2:

if mythweather could be "weatherstar 4000-like" it would kick ass

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justinh:

Dagmar: heh. maybe mythnews could be rolled into a scrolling newsfeed thingy

[08:37:19]

justinh:

CCFL_Man2: if certainly could be. where's your patch?

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jmusits:

hmm, I'd look at your browser/gnome settings, hulu displays very nicely fullscreen for me

[08:37:40]

jmusits:

I do understant the mouse issues though

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CCFL_Man2:

xris: be a rebel and remove the drm from itunes aac files

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mchou:

xris: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17814972

[08:38:23]

jmusits:

xris: we just need a way to incorporate wiimotes into mythtv and we could solve that problem :)

[08:38:37]

justinh:

someone on mythtvtalk.com was asking if there's any plan to make mythmusic work with apple lossless yesterday

[08:38:44]

xris:

mchou: um, has little to do with SHARING that content with neighbors?

[08:38:45]

mchou:

xris: you'll be surprissed (in a good way) what RIAA guy make clear in the program

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justinh:

jmusits: eeew

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xris:

jmusits: yes.... heh.

[08:39:01]

jmusits:

justinh: you dont like the wii ?

[08:39:12]

justinh:

I like having just one remote, thanks

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CCFL_Man2:

justinh: weatherstar 4000 is one of the systems used at headends to generate the local forcast graphics and data for the weather channel

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jmusits:

(I was 1/2 joking with that comment)

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mchou:

xris: listen to the program to find out

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xris:

mchou: except what an RIAA lawyer recently "accidentally" insinuated in a recent trial

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xris:

jmusits: fwiw, the wiimote makes my arm hurt.

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xris:

I can't play a bunch of the games.

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justinh:

wonder how badly a wiimote affects normal IR controls

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jmusits:

thats unfortunate

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justinh:

since its emitters flood the room with IR

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xris:

jmusits: rabids... would like to play that, but I get about 5 minutes before my RSI-inflicted arm/shoulder are dead.

[08:40:30]

jmusits:

it hasnt made any of my normal remotes bug out

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jmusits:

havent played that myself

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CCFL_Man2:

i love my wii very much

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xris:

on the other hand, lego star wars is quite nice.

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jmusits:

been adicted to mario galaxy lately

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xris:

CCFL_Man2: my wii cost me about $30k....

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CCFL_Man2:

jmusits: the game kicks ass

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** justinh pats his mythsudoku plugin idea on the head **

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CCFL_Man2:

xris: why?

[08:41:23]

xris:

CCFL_Man2: it came with a free prius. :)

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mchou:

xris: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/rawfisher/2007 . . . umers_e.html

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jmusits:

and the classic nes super mario 1/3 on the virtual console

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CCFL_Man2:

xris: lol

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CCFL_Man2:

jmusits: yep, i have smb1, smb2j, and smb3 on vc, i love it

[08:42:20]

jmusits:

CCFL_Man2: i am currently stuck on the cosmic mario race in that bee world

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justinh:

ffs. forum user whining that PiP doesn't work on his single tuner system. SMACK!

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xris:

mchou: yup

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CCFL_Man2:

jmusits: me too

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jmusits:

CCFL_Man2: smbj?

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jmusits:

er smb2j?

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xris:

CCFL_Man2: I forget.. maybe the wii was free and the car cost $30k.. it's more fun to think that the car was free, though. and since it's so hard to get a wii, $30k seems like a decent price. ;)

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jmusits:

xris: haha

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CCFL_Man2:

jmusits: lost levels

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Dagmar:

Goddamn scalpers

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jmusits:

ahh

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CCFL_Man2:

xris: lol

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xris:

hmm... I wonder if hulu.com will work in the wii browser....

[08:43:59]

xris:

that might be worth the $5 browser cost

[08:44:21]

** jmusits gets out his wallet **

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CCFL_Man2:

i got my browser when it was free

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** xris goes to play wii. this upnp stuff will need help from one of the cpp devs during daylight hours. **

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xris:

CCFL_Man2: lucky. :)

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xris:

afk

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CCFL_Man2:

hehe

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jmusits:

xris: what is the upnp issue?

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jmusits:

hmm...anyone seen this before: /usr/local/lib/libmythui-0.20.so: undefined reference to `QGLWidget::setFormat(QGLFormat const&)'

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jmusits:

and a bunch more when compiling mythvideo

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jmusits:

all QGLWidget stuff

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Jester86:

hey has anyone been having problems w/ their program guide lately?

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Jester86:

mine as seemed to lose all of its channel data

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Dagmar:

Mine seems to be filled with reruns and shows with absolutely insipid titles, but I've got cable so I'm told that's normal.

[09:02:21]

Dagmar:

straterra: The big issue being that I have a 5V drill

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Jester86:

Dagmar, can you see what i'm typing.. my net access is bein weird

[09:04:20]

Jester86:

it seems like i can send txt out but not recieve it

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Dagmar:

Type /ping Jester86 when in doubt

[09:05:02]

Jester86:

what does that do?

[09:05:10]

Jester86:

refreshes connection?

[09:08:37]

Dagmar:

Perhaps you should google the word 'ping'

[09:09:21]

Jester86:

man you're a real dickhead tonight arent you

[09:09:43]

Jester86:

i was in here earlier and you were being an asshole to people then

[09:09:43]

Dagmar:

At least I'm not a clueless dickhead.

[09:09:55]

tanner:

Jester86: ping is a diagnostics tool that sends an icmp packet to wherever you specifiy and returns values about the status of the place your pinging

[09:09:58]

Dagmar:

...and I'm not being a little bitch to the people who give me answers.

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mchou:

correction: it's biatch

[09:10:25]

Dagmar:

So fuck you for making me regret answering anything you said.

[09:10:48]

Jester86:

someone asks a simple question bc they assume that the person telling them what to do would be able to explain it better and faster than looking it up

[09:10:51]

tanner:

lets be civil please.

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mchou:

Jester86: it's not about speed.

[09:11:18]

Dagmar:

Jester86: And in this case the person who answered knows it would be simpler and faster for you to type 'ping' into bloody google without being a whiny bitch about it

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mchou:

Jester86: it's about intelligent questions and intelligent answers

[09:12:05]

Jester86:

given the overall lack of conversation on this channel why not waste the bandwidth asking simpler questions too

[09:12:12]

Dagmar:

Why not learn to read

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Jester86:

its not like anyone else was holding a conversation in here

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tanner:

ping is a very complicated subject Dagmar.. your asking him to google it could lead to conclusions you didnt intend

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mchou:

Jester86: waste all the bandwidth you want, but dont complain if ppl dont answer

[09:12:40]

Jester86:

ok Dagmar i'll get a hooked on phonics book right now

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Dagmar:

tanner: Yes, but anyone smarter than a carrot will probably figure it out

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tanner:

regardless.

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Dagmar:

I am under no obligations to sit and type out some long-winded explanation to someone because they're using technology they don't understand.

[09:13:14]

Dagmar:

No one is under any sort of obligation like that.

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astyler:

except support technicians

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mchou:

haha

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Dagmar:

So, if you want to get pissed off at me because I don't explain something, then you can go straight to hell.

[09:13:36]

Jester86:

all i wanted to know was what the command did exactly and you had to rebuttal w/ a completely dick response

[09:13:49]

astyler:

please excuse my light-hearted banter, I don't know whats going on here

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Dagmar:

Jester86: You're the one with the "dick response"

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Dagmar:

I simply suggested you should Google it

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Jester86:

alright Dagmar

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Jester86:

you win you're so fucking cool

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Dagmar:

damn right

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tanner:

Jester86: forget about it and move on. if your still curious what it does, see my response above.

[09:14:17]

astyler:

what's going on, linux snobbery?

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astyler:

not necessarily welcome

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tanner:

astyler: RTFM snobbery

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astyler:

ah

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Dagmar:

astyler: No, someone that got really pissed off when I suggested they Google to find out what a simple IRC command does

[09:14:40]

Jester86:

yeah i saw it tanner and thanks for the response

[09:14:47]

Dagmar:

It's ignorant ass snobbery

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astyler:

it takes all kinds

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mchou:

biatch snobbery!

[09:15:10]

astyler:

i don't even know what that means but i like saying it

[09:15:11]

Dagmar:

Just because you don't know something doesn't mean anyone _owes_ you an explanation of it

[09:15:31]

astyler:

did he suggest that you were obligated?

[09:15:37]

Jester86:

lol

[09:15:39]

Dagmar:

He did quite a bit more than that

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tanner:

if your going to bitch join #mythtv-bitchary and leave the channel clean of it please

[09:15:47]

Jester86:

astyler, dont even bother he's completely irrational

[09:15:48]

astyler:

its a user support channel, its reasonable to ask questions

[09:15:55]

mchou:

bitchary??

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astyler:

im not taking any sides!

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Dagmar:

astyler: It's NOT reasonable to be a dick when you don't get them tho

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mchou:

is that a real word?

[09:16:06]

Dagmar:

THAT is what I _refuse_ to tolerate

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tanner:

mchou: it is now =)

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astyler:

mchou: it is now

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astyler:

shewt tanner

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Jester86:

lol man listen to him go

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tanner:

haha

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Jester86:

i bet his blood pressure is up a good 30

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mchou:

tanner: what's the definition? House of biatches??

[09:16:45]

Dagmar:

Scroll up if you doubt me

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astyler:

lets all forget it happened

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Jester86:

lol

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Jester86:

no let him keep goin

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tanner:

i agree with astyler

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Jester86:

i bet he's halfway thru a new pack of smokes by now

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tanner:

this is not the place

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astyler:

i dont see the need to antagonize each other further

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astyler:

so just stop, jester86

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Dagmar:

He complained that he thought his net connection was wobbly and he couldn't tell. I told him "Type /ping jester86 when in doubt"

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Jester86:

i asked what ping did

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Dagmar:

He asked what it does, I said "Perhaps you should Google the word 'ping'"

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astyler:

wtf is a wobbly connection

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tanner:

pinging yourself seems rather fruitless in most cases

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mchou:

come over to the dark side of the force.....yes, feel the strngth :)

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Dagmar:

The *immediate* response from him was "man you're a real dickhead tonight arent you"

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mchou:

lol

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Jester86:

lol

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Jester86:

haha

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astyler:

ping is about as basic computers get, sure

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Dagmar:

So screw him

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** tanner wishes everyone would put their e-penises away and be civil **

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astyler:

but googling is your friend i bet wikipedia has a good article on it

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Jester86:

i like his creative licensing

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mchou:

tanner: where's e-pussy?

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astyler:

im gonna take my e-penis out if that's ok

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tanner:

mchou: irc.dal.net

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Jester86:

has anyone here had problems w/ schedules direct lately?

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justinh:

what would IRC be like without the trolls eh?

[09:18:51]

astyler:

yes jester

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Dagmar:

justinh: A peaceful place for communication

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astyler:

but i've never had it work (trying in the last 2 days only)

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Jester86:

anyone know whats going on w/ them?

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justinh:

I wouldn't be here, for one thing :P

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justinh:

Jester86: all worky AFAIK

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astyler:

Dagmar: that sounds BORING

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mchou:

astyler: what, your e-penis doesnt work?

[09:19:38]

justinh:

any no-worky at your end sounds like user/config error

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Dagmar:

astyler: I know.

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Dagmar:

I personally really miss the days of teardrop.

[09:19:48]

mchou:

astyler: maybe you need e-viagra?

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astyler:

where can i get such a substance

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astyler:

wait! let me check my spam folder

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Jester86:

justinh, what was that ?

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Dagmar:

Lamers _behaved_ because at any time, someone could put their happy asses offline for getting lippy.

[09:20:16]

justinh:

what was what?

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mchou:

astyler: at your e-pharmacy

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Jester86:

did you say that your sch dir was down too?

[09:20:37]

astyler:

mchou: enjoy the e-cupofshutthehellup!

[09:20:43]

astyler:

with the e-references

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astyler:

:D

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justinh:

I said AFAIK SD is all working OK. if it's not worky at your end maybe it's a config problem

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mchou:

astyler: I wasnt the dude who started it

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astyler:

i know :*(

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tanner:

i was

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Jester86:

well i didnt change anything on my machine

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mchou:

Jester86: that's what they all say

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astyler:

justinh have you done a grab recently?

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Jester86:

lol

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Jester86:

no i was gone for about a week

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Jester86:

came back a couple days go to a program guidless machine

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justinh:

don't use SD myself

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Jester86:

i was messing around w/ a different pc tonight and still had the same problems too :-\

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astyler:

that makes me feel a bit better jester

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astyler:

i had everything configured correctly, tried all of sd forum help

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astyler:

and couldnt grab SD data

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Jester86:

hmm

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Jester86:

i wonder whats going on then

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astyler:

anyone have a frontend on wireless?

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mchou:

this openttd is addictive

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astyler:

i was thinking of a pci-x1 wireless card for my front end

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astyler:

reduce it down to 3 cables! (IR rec., power, hdmi)

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mchou:

bah!

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Jester86:

i wouldnt astyler

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** justinh pictures a wireless frontend. unreliable connections & intermittent bandwidth.. hmmmm yummy **

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tanner:

anyone have the HDHomeRun?

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Jester86:

given that next yr everythings going digital

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justinh:

no, nobody has the HDHomeRun. they haven't sold a single one

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Dagmar:

Perhaps if someone weren't a jerk, people would have been willing to help

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tanner:

hey smartass, keep it to yourself if you're not going to contribute anything.

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mchou:

full of snappy wit tonight

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Jester86:

tanner, thank you

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jhulst:

tanner: I do

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Dagmar:

tanner: No one seemed to have a problem with someone being a jerk to a helper, so why should they care about anything else

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tanner:

this is why i hate people

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tanner:

:)

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Jester86:

Dagmar, thats 2 ppl in 5 min that you've managed to get into it w/

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tanner:

jhulst: does it pick up analog signals?

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Jester86:

dont you think the problem could be you..

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justinh:

I always have a problem with jerks being like jerks. unsolicited PMs, coming in here calling people trying to help names.. /ignore

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Dagmar:

Jester86: Quite sure it's not me.

[09:26:25]

jhulst:

tanner: no, I use it for QAM over my cable

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Dagmar:

My mother taught me to show respect to my betters.

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mchou:

haha

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Dagmar:

You however, are going into the ignore list.

[09:26:38]

Jester86:

well you may want to re-valuate yourself

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justinh:

Dagmar: doesn't help if you already think you're better though :P

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tanner:

i'd like to clarify for the record, i was calling justinh a smart ass.

[09:26:54]

Dagmar:

I don't have to reevaluate a damn thing because *my* equipment works.

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mchou:

lol

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Jester86:

lol

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Jester86:

i'm guessing you're a lonely middle aged male

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justinh:

I just have to keep a lid on insults. these days I just /part if I get frustrated

[09:27:31]

Jester86:

probably going bold

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Dagmar:

tanner: Enh either way your comment didn't actually bug me

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justinh:

like if somebody is too needy, or is being an ass-hat

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Dagmar:

It wasn't you I was referring to anyway. :)

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tanner:

lol thats good.

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Jester86:

lol man i love assholes

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mchou:

haha

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Jester86:

they make me smile when they get all pissy

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Jester86:

they get all bent out of shape

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Jester86:

and i just laugh

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mchou:

assholes dont piss

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Jester86:

haha

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Jester86:

they do on worms

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mchou:

they just get the runs

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Jester86:

and birds..

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Jester86:

lol

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justinh:

tanner: yeah I deliberately made a smart ass comment because the question wasn't really relevant

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mchou:

Jester86: you calling yourself a worm?

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justinh:

does anybody have a TV?

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Jester86:

no

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** tanner shakes head.. now they are arguing language semantics **

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Jester86:

haha

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Jester86:

the assholes that piss are worms

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Jester86:

i however just laugh at them

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tanner:

justinh: it was as the second part of my question was only relevant if the first part was.

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Dagmar:

I been hearin' about those things

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Jester86:

so aside from astyler and myself has anyone else been having issues w/ SD's data?

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Dagmar:

I dont' want one in my house cuz I don't want the people in it seein' me

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mchou:

Dagmar: what, piss from your asshole?

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Jester86:

haa

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justinh:

Dagmar: I gots me a solution to fix that right up! you know that one-way window film yous can buy for yer automobile?

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tanner:

(-_-)

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Jester86:

mchou, you use SD?

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Dagmar:

No de gub'ment and their two-way TV technologee

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Dagmar:

justinh: Damn I'll have to remember that

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astyler:

wait

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astyler:

i was afk

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astyler:

and i missed a 1985 reference

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astyler:

damnit!

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Dagmar:

heh

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tanner:

astyler: ill sum it up for you

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Jester86:

lol

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mchou:

irc waits for no one

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tanner:

bitch bitch moan bitch insult bitch moan moan sneeze

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astyler:

tell it like it is tanner

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astyler:

oh more of that, good stuff

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Jester86:

damn it.. i cannot figure out why schedules direct quit working

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tanner:

indeed

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mchou:

biatches

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Dagmar:

My boss has an HDHomeRun but I've no idea about it other than it works for him

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mchou:

HDHomerun is da bomb!

[09:32:58]

netgear:

when i run mythtv-setup i get lots of text running across the screen, only to be able to set user and etc but no device configuration or so, where should i look for troubles?

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tanner:

mchou: im just hoping i can get channels my tv says are "analog"

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Dagmar:

netgear: Typically you're expect to read that text

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justinh:

netgear: sounds like mythtv-setup really isn't working

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Dagmar:

s/expect/expected/;

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justinh:

only able to set user? wth is all that about?

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mchou:

tanner: why would you want to?

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netgear:

unable to connect to database

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tanner:

mchou: USA, SciFi, Comedy Central basically

[09:34:10]

mchou:

tanner: just get a pvr-x50 or whatever for analog

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netgear:

set the user and password for database

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justinh:

ahh the perennial database access problem

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mchou:

tanner: that way you wont waste precious HD tuners

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Dagmar:

...caused by the "I didn't read http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall" problem

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justinh:

Dagmar: or caused by the packages

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tanner:

lol i think i get a grand total 10 hd channels

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Dagmar:

Could be

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justinh:

let's not forget their role in all this

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Dagmar:

justinh: This would be why I made special mysql and backend packages for Slackware that "just do it"

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netgear:

database not open, how do i open the database?

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mchou:

tanner: where in WA you live?

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Dagmar:

netgear: You have to set it up, first

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netgear:

iamlindoro: you in at the moment?

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tanner:

mchou: currently i dont have a machine built to support anything internal

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mchou:

tanner: where in WA you live?

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tanner:

mchou: sw,

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Dagmar:

netgear: Which Linux distribution are you running?

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netgear:

ubuntu

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Jester86:

fuck my life

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mchou:

tanner: sw?? where is that?

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netgear:

i installed mythtv and mythtv-themes

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tanner:

mchou: 98665 zip

[09:37:00]

Dagmar:

netgear: It would be kinda cool if they would update this, but this should get you close http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . buntu_Breezy

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mchou:

tanner: just gimme a city name

[09:37:14]

tanner:

vancouver

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Dagmar:

Actually, OMG that link is useless

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Dagmar:

One moment lemme find something useful

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mchou:

vancouver as in by Portland?

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netgear:

im on gutsy i think

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tanner:

yup

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Jester86:

omg, did Dagmar mess up

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Jester86:

holy shit...

[09:38:04]

Dagmar:

netgear: This looks like it might be considerably more useful http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

[09:38:11]

mchou:

tanner: dont know how cableco is configured for that area

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netgear:

thanks

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Jester86:

sorry Dagmar i'm just fuckin w/ ya

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mchou:

tanner: but if you lived in SEATAC everything would be clear

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Dagmar:

...except the weather

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netgear:

Dagmar: i have installed from using that link

[09:39:15]

astyler:

i was HDHomeRun had an NTSC tuner

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astyler:

wish*

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tanner:

mchou: i live in a comcast area

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Jester86:

so for those who do not use Schedules Direct, what do you use to pull your program data?

[09:39:34]

mchou:

tanner: that doesnt tell me much

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netgear:

i added my user to mythtv group and had to logout and login and did so then i ran mythtv-setup as my user

[09:40:08]

astyler:

you can make a DataDirect source (after the country choices, option #12)

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tanner:

mchou: no worries

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astyler:

it can still pull data with your SD login, you have to do it in terminal

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astyler:

then manually edit each channel in mythfilldatabase

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mchou:

astyler: why would you need to do that?

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netgear:

i need to run be back later

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Dagmar:

So we need to know more than just "database not open"

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Dagmar:

There's quite a bit of detail you're leaving out.

[09:41:10]

Dagmar:

Use pastebin.ca

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astyler:

mchou: he was saying his SD source wasn't working

[09:41:24]

astyler:

that's how I worked around it today

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mchou:

astyler: xmltv.txt contains all the channels

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astyler:

sorry, im not familiar with that file!

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astyler:

looks like i coulda saved myself an hour of editing

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astyler:

dagmar: that guide is awful!

[09:42:19]

astyler:

the guy is vague at best

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Jester86:

astyler, mchou do you guys have a fix to the SD problem?

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Dagmar:

astyler: Yeah, it had some pictures tho

[09:42:41]

astyler:

yeah, there's an install .pdf manual somewhere with all those pictures..

[09:42:47]

Dagmar:

astyler: I can set these things up without thinking about it, but Ubuntu has had a problem with doing some sh*t for people automatically, but never explaining it

[09:42:53]

astyler:

maybe mythbuntu's manual

[09:43:08]

Dagmar:

They should be sticking the user account passwords in a place where they can't be missed

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Dagmar:

...which is something they're not going

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Dagmar:

s/goin/doin/;

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Jester86:

astyler, you there?

[09:43:48]

astyler:

yeah what

[09:43:58]

Jester86:

you said you got around the sd thing?

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astyler:

don't listen to me im like a 3 day user

[09:44:06]

Jester86:

lol

[09:44:07]

Jester86:

ok

[09:44:20]

Jester86:

well i was gonna ask you if you just werent setting things up right

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astyler:

but you can add a DataDirect(North Am.) in video source

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Jester86:

yeah but... datadirect is out

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astyler:

it basically does a tv_grab_na_dd --configure then runs it

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astyler:

you log in with your SD account

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Jester86:

what ?

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astyler:

it grabs the file and runs mythfilldatabase --file <file> --manual

[09:45:21]

Dagmar:

Okay.

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Dagmar:

IN THEORY, this guide for MythTV/Ubuntu won't suck https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV?highlight=%28mythtv%29

[09:45:34]

Jester86:

i have the newer version of myth.. it already has sch dir in it

[09:45:42]

astyler:

i know jester

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Dagmar:

We've bitched at their packagers enough times about this that it should still be maintained

[09:45:47]

astyler:

this is for the latest version

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Jester86:

yeah but if you already have the SD protocol why would you have to use the old DD's?

[09:46:21]

astyler:

because SD isnt fetching correctly atm?

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Dagmar:

'bout this time last year you'd have been better off stabbing yourself in the eye with a conch shell than to install the Ubuntu binaries for MythTV

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Jester86:

besides, it doesnt have the old DD's

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astyler:

its like the 12th option in sources

[09:46:47]

astyler:

scroll through all the countries

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Jester86:

mine has 2 options

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astyler:

should be SD N.A. (internal), EIT Only, Italy, Japan, etc, DD N.A.

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astyler:

Dagmar: that guide's guide for ubuntu 7.10 is: install mythbuntu

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astyler:

while we're on the subject, Dagmar

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astyler:

you seem anti-ubuntu

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Dagmar:

So, it *is* a wiki after all

[09:48:35]

Dagmar:

astyler: No, I'm just anti-broken crap

[09:48:43]

astyler:

i'm not taking offense

[09:48:51]

astyler:

just wondering if i should look for a different distro

[09:49:10]

Dagmar:

They're doing some stuff to try to speed up the install which was poorly documented before, and made things more complex than needed to be

[09:49:24]

Dagmar:

Like, setting a password on the MySQL root user...

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g4lv4tr0n:

hi just wondering how do i completly remove mythtv and mysql and start installation from fresh ? i had it installed but now i cant connect to backend

[09:49:43]

astyler:

randomly?

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Dagmar:

That should be stored in /root/.my.cnf, period.

[09:50:03]

Dagmar:

They decided to store it elsewhere.

[09:50:09]

Dagmar:

Yes, randomly

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astyler:

but its in what, /var/lib/mythtv/mysql.txt or something

[09:50:23]

Dagmar:

It's a good idea, with a shoddy implementation.

[09:50:32]

astyler:

mythbuntu or ubuntu?

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Dagmar:

astyler: Jeez I should hope not

[09:50:44]

Dagmar:

I dunno.

[09:50:47]

astyler:

g41v4tr0n: what linux distro

[09:50:52]

astyler:

Dagmar: yeah it is

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g4lv4tr0n:

ubuntu

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Dagmar:

I've got Ubuntu installed on my laptop, but I'm not using it for MythTV

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astyler:

umm

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Dagmar:

Life's too short

[09:51:05]

astyler:

did you install mythbuntu g41?

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g4lv4tr0n:

nope

[09:51:19]

astyler:

dagmar: what distro do you use

[09:51:23]

astyler:

maybe, im not sure

[09:51:26]

Dagmar:

astyler: slackware.

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astyler:

sudo apt-get remove mythtv-*

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Dagmar:

...which is why I d**m well know where all the pieces are. I had to make some of them myself. ;)

[09:51:53]

astyler:

yikes

[09:52:05]

astyler:

me, being a 5 day linux user, would crash and burn

[09:52:39]

tanner:

what starts with a d, ends with m and has two letters in it that require someone to think the word needs to be cencored

[09:52:48]

astyler:

i made a bunch of mistake, am dropping $180 on some more hardware to split my 1 box into 2, front/back

[09:52:55]

Jester86:

Dagmar, what os did you say you use as your main myth?

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astyler:

DAMM

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tanner:

DAMM?

[09:53:18]

astyler:

DAMM!

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tanner:

hmm

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astyler:

who would know what d**n is, i'd guess DANN

[09:53:34]

tanner:

is that like DAMN but with more pussy to it?

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Jester86:

dean

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astyler:

or darn, at best

[09:53:51]

astyler:

or, see, dean

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tanner:

but it ended with M

[09:54:00]

tanner:

..

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Jester86:

dimm

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astyler:

d**m communicates the phonetics

[09:54:10]

Jester86:

lol its an autocad command

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Dagmar:

Perhaps http://www.rif.org would help where man pages failed.

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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astyler:

tanner: yes it ended with an 'm', because an 'n' is ambiguous and misleading

[09:54:52]

astyler:

d**m can only be DAAAAAAAMMMMMMM

[09:55:04]

astyler:

phonetically, damn

[09:55:42]

Jester86:

man no matter what i do i cant seem to get schedules direct to work right

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Dagmar:

Those sneaky n's

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Jester86:

and as of right now my machine is fully up to date

[09:56:06]

Dagmar:

Always leading you on

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astyler:

don't the just?

[09:56:15]

astyler:

they*

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astyler:

jester, wait it out

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astyler:

check or ask on sd forums

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Jester86:

i did

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Jester86:

no one on there seems like they're having this prob tho

[09:57:09]

Jester86:

seems like its actually pulling data

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astyler:

except me, most recent post yesterday

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astyler:

that forum is dead

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Jester86:

it connects to their servers and everything

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astyler:

it will pull your lineups and you can select them, right?

[09:57:48]

Jester86:

what?

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Jester86:

I'm pulling data from their site.. just seems like its not the correct data or something

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astyler:

you can select your lineup from SD, like.. New Orleans City Cable: LA1891

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Jester86:

maybe in a different format

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Jester86:

yeah

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Jester86:

yeah i pull the lineup right

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astyler:

but then no guide?

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Jester86:

exactly

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astyler:

run mythfilldatabase in terminal

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Jester86:

when i look at the guide itself nothing

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astyler:

and check the output

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Jester86:

i did :-\

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Jester86:

gives me the same as it always has

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astyler:

you should see blah blah 401 Unauthorized access blah blah 200 OK

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Jester86:

i'll do it again tho and watch all the way thru

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astyler:

no 500 Interal server errors?

[09:59:03]

Jester86:

yeah

[09:59:06]

Jester86:

i saw that

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astyler:

well looks like you're in the same boat as me

[09:59:21]

Jester86:

i saw the 401k thing

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astyler:

Dagmar!

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astyler:

recommend me a distroooo

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Jester86:

yeah but it doesnt make sense that it just quit working now all the sudden

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Jester86:

mythbuntu's down lol

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Jester86:

and my arch install w/ myth is also down

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astyler:

unless the data they send is corrupted

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astyler:

missing xml tags or something

[10:00:29]

Jester86:

i installed mythbuntu real quick to see if it had the same prob as arch's myth and it does..

[10:00:39]

Jester86:

i was hoping it was just my connection or something

[10:00:52]

Jester86:

i connect thru the campus so you never know what they're doing

[10:01:00]

astyler:

you have no idea how good your failure makes me feel

[10:01:06]

Jester86:

lol

[10:01:11]

astyler:

i tried _everything_ for like 12 hours

[10:01:16]

Jester86:

yeah same here

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astyler:

after building this box

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Jester86:

i reinstalled a freaking OS

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Jester86:

lol

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astyler:

first foray into linux, myth, and PVR

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Jester86:

lol

[10:01:35]

astyler:

and I was like: i just waster $500

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astyler:

wasted

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Jester86:

haha

[10:01:51]

Jester86:

well i've been at it for a couple months

[10:01:58]

astyler:

but my solution was to throw more money at it

[10:01:59]

Jester86:

and it is truely life changing lol

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astyler:

im getting a box to setup a dedicated backend now

[10:02:26]

astyler:

bout $180 worth of new hardware plus a bunch of parts i have around

[10:02:33]

Jester86:

i'm considering turning this machine, my main desktop, into a master backend

[10:02:41]

Jester86:

yeah

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astyler:

i'd consider that if my main wasnt windows

[10:02:55]

Jester86:

i put about 800 in my system so far including the 27" tv

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astyler:

my q6600 could rip transcoding a new one

[10:03:08]

Jester86:

lol

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Jester86:

why do you use win?

[10:03:19]

astyler:

games

[10:03:22]

astyler:

orange box

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Jester86:

o

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astyler:

although I'm trying to migrate back to consoles

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astyler:

and zero PC games

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Jester86:

i wouldnt personally

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astyler:

but my 8800gt would cry

[10:04:03]

Jester86:

i think i'm going to buy a gaming pc and just mainly use it for windows gaming

[10:04:17]

astyler:

yeah

[10:04:18]

Jester86:

maybe dual boot w/ arch and have a myth front end for in the living room

[10:04:23]

Dagmar:

You may hate this

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astyler:

im listening

[10:04:38]

Jester86:

go on..

[10:04:43]

Dagmar:

I found out about these people today: http://www.zareason.com/shop/product.php?prod . . . 0&page=1

[10:04:45]

Dagmar:

Hehe

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Jester86:

i'm not gonna hate it anymore than not being able to watch tv lol

[10:04:52]

Dagmar:

Not really a bad box or a bad price.

[10:05:13]

Jester86:

hmm

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astyler:

that makes me sad

[10:05:37]

astyler:

yes bad price

[10:05:56]

Jester86:

lol

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astyler:

you could build that for $300

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Dagmar:

No you couldn't

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Jester86:

i paid 130 for my box lol

[10:06:20]

Jester86:

then added a tv tuner $49

[10:06:42]

Jester86:

and 500g ext. hdd via esata

[10:06:45]

astyler:

cpu:80, mb:60, pvr150:60, psu+case:50, ram:20, drive:50

[10:06:52]

Jester86:

hdd was $140 w/ enclosure

[10:06:53]

astyler:

let me add..

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Dagmar:

Case.

[10:07:01]

astyler:

$320

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Dagmar:

Those aren't cheap

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Jester86:

mine was less :)

[10:07:11]

astyler:

i bet the case they use is

[10:07:16]

Jester86:

lol

[10:07:22]

astyler:

i bought an in-win,

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Jester86:

i have a nice dell x270 slim

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astyler:

$50 for case and PSU

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Jester86:

eh

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Jester86:

i like my little dell more

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Dagmar:

The case they use is the one in the picture

[10:08:01]

astyler:

oh its a cube case

[10:08:11]

Jester86:

looks like an xbox 360 only a little bigger and black lol

[10:08:11]

astyler:

add $50 more

[10:08:17]

astyler:

$370

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Dagmar:

Yes, people want a decent case and PSU

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astyler:

inwin are fsp fortons rebranded

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astyler:

usually*

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astyler:

guess you could get unlucky

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Dagmar:

RAM on that isn't $20

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astyler:

ddr2 1-gb?

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astyler:

check newegg

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astyler:

$18.99

[10:09:52]

astyler:

i've been trying to mash together a cheap system all day

[10:09:57]

astyler:

between newegg and hardforum

[10:10:19]

netgear:

Dagmar: i get a error Can't connect to MYSQL server on 'mythbox' (111)

[10:10:30]

Dagmar:

Hmm.. Either way

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netgear:

QslQuery::exec database not open is the other thing i get

[10:10:45]

Jester86:

netgear how are you starting your mythbackend

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Dagmar:

Good luck finding someone with the skill necessary to assemble and test that stuff properly who will do it for free

[10:10:54]

astyler:

if they set it all up it might be worth the price

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astyler:

dagmar that = me

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netgear:

i do /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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Dagmar:

netgear: You're getting more than jsut that.

[10:11:12]

Dagmar:

Use pastebin.ca

[10:11:13]

astyler:

i'm a systems builder

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Dagmar:

Put ALL the output in there

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netgear:

ok

[10:11:31]

astyler:

so i hate pre-made boxen

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Dagmar:

astyler: Yes, I've assembled thousands of machines as well. I woudln't have someone doing it for $10/hour

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Jester86:

get highschool kids to do it lol

[10:12:17]

Jester86:

they'd work for $8/hr and still be making more than if they worked at mcDs

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Jester86:

astyler, do you know of anyone else w/ the same prob we're having?

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netgear:

http://pastebin.com/d7b5d9a4

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kuil:

good morning

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kuil:

I am having some trouble with some video's I want to play. It is a copy of a rip of a dvb stream.. If I play it with mplayer or xine it has sound.. but when I play it with mythtv .. it doesn't

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kuil:

other video files and recordings have perfect sound.. so that's not the issue

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netgear:

that is error i get when doing mythtv-setup

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Archer:

hello

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rooaus:

kuil: Are you using the internal player?

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Dagmar:

netgear: You didn't install the mysql plugin for Qt

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kuil:

rooaus: how can I tell?

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Archer:

astyler, i may have gotten it working... SD that is hold on

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kuil:

(I have tried my linpvr install and a 'fresh' apt-get install on my laptop)

[10:18:41]

Dagmar:

netgear: You need to install qt3-mysql

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astyler:

jester86: havent heard of anything

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fatejudger:

I just installed the ubuntu mythtv packages and only see a black screen when selecting the "watch tv" option in the frontend.

[10:19:24]

kuil:

rooaus: I like the 'recording' player/userinterface better.. so I have tried to insert my ts file into the recordings...

[10:19:29]

kuil:

but that doesn't work either

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kuil:

(the program appears.. but still no sound)

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astyler:

fatejuedger: have you configured your tuner cards in mythtv-setup?

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fatejudger:

after which it brings me back to the main menu

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fatejudger:

astyler, yes

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astyler:

what card are you using

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fatejudger:

astyler, PVR-350

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astyler:

have you tested it otherwise or is it new?

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fatejudger:

astyler: it's new

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Archer:

fatejudger, is your user in the video group?

[10:21:32]

Archer:

if not, put it there then reboot the machine

[10:21:50]

fatejudger:

Archer: the "video" group or the "mythtv" group?

[10:21:57]

rooaus:

kuil: You can set the player to use in mythvideo to "Internal" instead of "mplayer blah blah", the internal player is the one used for recorded tv. You should get the same osd etc.

[10:22:03]

fatejudger:

if you're curious, this is what console outputs http://pastebin.com/m426dd063

[10:22:08]

Archer:

i'd do both to be honest

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Dagmar:

Internal is *much* easier to deal with

[10:22:27]

Archer:

well you have to be in the mythtv group to use myth

[10:22:39]

Archer:

and u need to be in the video group to use video.. :-\

[10:22:48]

kuil:

rooaus: I will try.. but if I insert it into 'recorded'.. it still has no sound.. so that would be the internal player.. right?

[10:22:49]

Archer:

join both then just for good measure i'd do a reboot

[10:23:03]

Archer:

i've tried just loging out and back in b4.. didnt take

[10:23:07]

Archer:

rebooted then was fine

[10:23:48]

Archer:

join both groups and reboot

[10:23:51]

Archer:

see what happens

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fatejudger:

Archer: okay

[10:23:55]

rooaus:

kuil: yeah, that would be the Internal player. I was wondering if it was choosing the wrong audio track, try changing the audio track.

[10:24:36]

Archer:

man schedules direct is pissin me off

[10:24:43]

astyler:

archer: having trouble?

[10:24:51]

Archer:

yeah buddy

[10:24:54]

astyler:

me too!

[10:24:57]

astyler:

also, jester86

[10:25:11]

Archer:

lol yeah i am jester86, just on a different box

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astyler:

damn

[10:25:18]

Archer:

lol

[10:25:23]

kuil:

rooaus: sorry for such 'dummy' questions.. but where can I change that?

[10:25:25]

astyler:

way to ruin my day

[10:25:30]

Archer:

sorry to disappoint lol

[10:25:44]

astyler:

there's no such thing as a dummy question

[10:25:47]

astyler:

except...

[10:25:51]

Archer:

but yeah .. no matter how u spin it i keep getting that 401 error

[10:25:57]

astyler:

will you marry me...

[10:25:59]

astyler:

zing!

[10:26:07]

Archer:

haha

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Archer:

marrying just means you can only have sex w/ one person

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rooaus:

kuil: "m" while watching the recording, then "select audio track".

[10:26:27]

Archer:

and that one person has to be willing less often lol

[10:27:03]

fstxx:

I have one tv card in an ubuntu box, running mythtv. Now I want to add another. How do I ensure that the old card still get /dev/video0, and the new new takes /dev/video1

[10:27:07]

Archer:

astyler, what exactly are you running machine wise?

[10:27:42]

g4lv4tr0n:

when i install mythtv and sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database when running the myfilldatabase the first steps connect to the database but then trying to do Attempting to contact the master backend for rescheduling. timesout

[10:27:50]

g4lv4tr0n:

is this normal

[10:28:09]

g4lv4tr0n:

as it does say it will do the reshedualing on restart

[10:28:10]

Archer:

yeah

[10:28:15]

g4lv4tr0n:

ok cool

[10:28:18]

Archer:

but ...

[10:28:29]

Archer:

currently i cannot connect to schedules direct

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bsdfox_:

192.168.0.0/16 includes 192.168.1.1, correct?

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Archer:

do you have a program guide g4lv4tr0n

[10:29:07]

fatejudger:

Archer: no dice, unless of course I didn't assign the groups properly

[10:29:30]

Archer:

should be like video:##:username

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Archer:

right?

[10:29:50]

fatejudger:

Archer: I did it all in "user and group settings"

[10:30:00]

fatejudger:

Archer: Ubuntu has a GUI for everything

[10:30:09]

Archer:

ok well gedit /etc/group

[10:30:19]

Archer:

i dont trust gui anymore

[10:30:29]

Archer:

its said i was in groups i wasnt and vise versa

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g4lv4tr0n:

im using the standart DVB EIT one

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Archer:

o

[10:31:02]

Archer:

never mind then

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fatejudger:

Archer: well, it appears that both myself and the user "mythtv" are associated with the "video" group

[10:31:24]

Archer:

ok

[10:31:34]

Archer:

now is your user apart of mythtv group?

[10:31:43]

fatejudger:

Archer: yes

[10:31:44]

netgear:

what time is it now in California?

[10:31:44]

Archer:

and wheel

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fatejudger:

netgear: 2:30

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astyler:

"/time"

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astyler:

-8 UTC

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netgear:

ok

[10:33:03]

fatejudger:

Archer: do you have any other suggestions other than the user issues?

[10:33:22]

netgear:

how can one test a user against a mysql database to see if the password and user is correct?

[10:33:32]

netgear:

or even if the database exists

[10:33:41]

kuil:

rooaus: what if the 'select audio track' option is not available?

[10:33:42]

astyler:

fatejudger: there is a way to test your card outside of mythtv entirely

[10:33:45]

Archer:

not really unless you've set up your configurations incorrectly

[10:33:53]

Dagmar:

netgear: That's in the MySQL documentation

[10:33:54]

astyler:

i cannot recall the method at current

[10:33:55]

Archer:

test it w/ tvtime first

[10:33:56]

fatejudger:

astyler: I can boot Vista

[10:33:59]

Archer:

if it works then..

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astyler:

tvtime, that's it

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Archer:

no that wont help

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astyler:

vista with MCE?

[10:34:10]

fatejudger:

Archer: tvtime?

[10:34:16]

fatejudger:

astyler: yeah

[10:34:16]

Archer:

you want to make sure linux will use it

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netgear:

or one can do cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

[10:34:22]

Dagmar:

If TVTime works all it proves is you have horrible taste in video hardware

[10:34:22]

astyler:

linux can use 350s

[10:34:39]

astyler:

test it in vista that's fine

[10:34:41]

fatejudger:

astyler: it doesn't run very well in 1920x1200 rez though

[10:34:41]

Archer:

fatejudger, you want to make sure linux will use it.. if linux wont then try in win but linux should

[10:34:49]

astyler:

the 350s are well supported in linux

[10:34:56]

fatejudger:

yeah, that's what I thought

[10:35:02]

fatejudger:

that's why I bought the tuner in the first place

[10:35:06]

Dagmar:

Yeah, the 350 is a crappy card, but it's fully supported

[10:35:14]

Archer:

fatejudger, run dmesg and post it online

[10:35:19]

astyler:

Dagmar, any opinion on the 150 for analog?

[10:35:26]

Dagmar:

astyler: Works fine

[10:35:29]

astyler:

I'm thinking about picking one up used

[10:35:37]

astyler:

cause my DVB card sucks at analog

[10:35:41]

Dagmar:

I've got a 500 and it's basically two 150's strapped to a PCI bridge

[10:35:43]

rooaus:

kuil: Maybe the recording has only one track, not sure.

[10:35:47]

astyler:

yes it is.

[10:36:04]

astyler:

I considered a 500 cause i've only got 2 pci slots

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kuil:

rooaus: but then stil.. it doesn't play sound :(

[10:36:10]

kuil:

really strange

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g4lv4tr0n:

damn still wont work when running frontend it says failed to connect to master backend ?

[10:36:48]

g4lv4tr0n:

it used to work

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Dagmar:

The 350 is at least as good as a 150, it's just that the 350's video output isn't something most people would want if they can get their hands on even like an nVidia MX440

[10:37:05]

Archer:

well that tells you something g4lv4tr0n

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fatejudger:

Archer: there's too much info, it went off the console screen

[10:37:15]

Archer:

your backend must be the source of your probs

[10:37:21]

Dagmar:

Damn this software for saying all these things

[10:37:26]

Dagmar:

Telling users stuff

[10:37:35]

rooaus:

kuil: Try starting the frontend with "mythfrontend -v audio" and check the logs.

[10:37:40]

Archer:

well scratch that now anyway

[10:37:44]

Archer:

focus on tvtime

[10:37:51]

Archer:

what OS are you sporting?

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g4lv4tr0n:

it says is the ip set correctly

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rooaus:

fatejudger: try "shift+pgup"

[10:38:03]

astyler:

galv did you check mythbackend logs?

[10:38:04]

fatejudger:

rooaus: I'm in a console window

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g4lv4tr0n:

its set to 127.0.0.1

[10:38:17]

fatejudger:

Archer: Ubuntu

[10:38:17]

Archer:

same as mine

[10:38:30]

Archer:

fatejudger, apt-get install tvtime

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Archer:

g4lv4tr0n, mine is set to the same

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Archer:

g4lv4tr0n, if your box is running correctly i wouldnt worry about th ip

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rooaus:

fatejudger: Works for me in a console, unless you are running in a 'screen" session.

[10:39:47]

fatejudger:

Archer: no video source

[10:39:52]

Archer:

run it as root

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g4lv4tr0n:

the tv client wont connect to backend on same machine

[10:40:24]

Archer:

g4lv4tr0n, it will you just have to figure out why not

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g4lv4tr0n:

how do i reconfigure the master backend

[10:40:31]

Archer:

are you sure the backend is running?

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astyler:

g41vatr0n: check /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[10:40:35]

fatejudger:

Archer: videoinput: Card failed to allocate capture buffers: Invalid argument

[10:40:48]

fatejudger:

Archer: that's output in the console

[10:41:09]

fatejudger:

Archer: I still get no video feed

[10:41:12]

Archer:

fatejudger, that tells you that your os wont use the card for whatever reason .. do a search w/ your package manager for tv

[10:41:34]

Archer:

and reinstall anything talking about vid 4 lin and any tv tuning anything

[10:41:40]

fatejudger:

Archer: I thought this tuner was well supported

[10:41:45]

Archer:

it is

[10:41:55]

Archer:

you've got a bad something in means of software

[10:42:00]

Archer:

maybe a corrupt driver..

[10:42:04]

fatejudger:

Archer: this is a clean install

[10:42:07]

astyler:

does tvtime support ivtv?

[10:42:11]

astyler:

i didnt think it did

[10:42:16]

Dagmar:

It doesn't.

[10:42:23]

astyler:

there's the problem with that then

[10:42:25]

fatejudger:

Archer: I had to reinstall Ubuntu today

[10:42:28]

astyler:

pvr350 is ivtv

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Dagmar:

TVTime is only of use to framegrabbers that I'm aware of

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Archer:

shit you may be right Dagmar

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Archer:

hmm

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Dagmar:

I usually am

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Archer:

fatejudger, when you ran dmesg did you see anything about a tv card

[10:43:19]

Dagmar:

That's about as vague as I get with the answers

[10:43:20]

Archer:

Dagmar, you're pretty full of yourself

[10:43:34]

Dagmar:

Unless they up and added mpeg decoding support to TVTime it can't use a Hauppage PVR-xxx card

[10:43:40]

astyler:

right

[10:43:43]

astyler:

here is your recourse

[10:43:49]

astyler:

are you in ubuntu?

[10:43:54]

fatejudger:

yes

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Dagmar:

Archer: Get used to it. One of the things that happens when you use Linux for 15 years is that you actually learn some stuff.

[10:44:02]

astyler:

follow these directions

[10:44:03]

astyler:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4152914

[10:44:18]

astyler:

Dagmar: watchout,it's jester86 in disguise!

[10:44:41]

Dagmar:

Archer: What you *won't* find me doing is saying silly shit like this gem I just fished out of LinuxQuestions.org: "Actually, RAM was invented because the HDD is too slow."

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Archer:

Dagmar, thats good that you've learned something but looking down on others simply b/c you may be more educated in one field isnt right

[10:45:17]

astyler:

ok lets not get into this

[10:45:28]

Dagmar:

Excuse me but are you trolling or what

[10:45:34]

astyler:

lets just agree RAM speeds up fetching and not pay attention to anything else

[10:45:39]

g4lv4tr0n:

Be sure that '/var/lib/mythtv/recordings' exists and that both

[10:45:39]

g4lv4tr0n:

the directory and that file are writeable by this user.

[10:45:49]

Dagmar:

You will cite _right now_ how I was in some way condescending

[10:45:55]

g4lv4tr0n:

how do i make it writeable ?

[10:46:12]

astyler:

g41v did you install mythbuntu?

[10:46:15]

astyler:

i dont recall

[10:46:17]

g4lv4tr0n:

nope

[10:46:30]

Dagmar:

g4lv4tr0n: chmod u+w blah

[10:46:30]

Archer:

maybe you dont notice it Dagmar but you just seem to come off that way at times

[10:46:32]

Archer:

nothing against you personally it just seems that way some times

[10:46:48]

Dagmar:

Archer: In other words, you're just talking shit

[10:46:50]

fatejudger:

I see a very grainy picture

[10:47:08]

Archer:

Dagmar, i'm not trying to start anythign w/ you

[10:47:11]

netgear:

ok someone here maybe want to spend some energy on helping me with mythtv perhaps?

[10:47:22]

Archer:

lets just drop it this is not the time nor the place

[10:47:26]

astyler:

um.. chmod 775 /var/lib/ etc?

[10:47:31]

Archer:

fatejudger, needs our help

[10:47:32]

astyler:

oh yeah do what dagmar said

[10:47:48]

astyler:

fate, how grainy are we talking?

[10:47:50]

Dagmar:

Archer: Then what does "thats good that you've learned something but looking down on others simply b/c you may be more educated in one field isnt right" have to do with anything

[10:47:59]

astyler:

you are on 1920x1200

[10:48:08]

fatejudger:

astyler: it's really distorted

[10:48:12]

Dagmar:

I mean, it's great that you have a TV tuner card, but you shoudln't use it to lure young boys into your house for acts of sodomy.

[10:48:18]

astyler:

is your cable split excessively?

[10:48:24]

Archer:

fatejudger, is your myth still recording to the var dir?

[10:48:28]

fatejudger:

astyler: and I'm not getting anywhere near all my channels

[10:48:42]

fatejudger:

Archer: I'm not sure, I'm using vlc to watch the tv

[10:48:51]

kuil:

rooaus: i have placed mylog on http://pastebin.ca/888728

[10:48:51]

astyler:

yeah this isnt a mythtv substitute

[10:48:54]

fatejudger:

Archer: AFAIK, Mythtv is still broken

[10:48:55]

astyler:

this is to test your card

[10:48:56]

Archer:

but vlc is able to watch it?

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kuil:

it changes my audo to none

[10:49:18]

fatejudger:

Archer: just SOME of the channels

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fatejudger:

Archer: and those are grainy

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Archer:

astyler, he's either got bad myth confgs or his recording dir is read only

[10:49:52]

astyler:

what?

[10:49:53]

Archer:

if its working right in vlc that is

[10:49:59]

astyler:

oh

[10:50:05]

fatejudger:

but it's not working right in vlc

[10:50:11]

Archer:

hmm

[10:50:12]

astyler:

it is distorted

[10:50:17]

Archer:

dont use ubuntu :)

[10:50:20]

astyler:

although you don't have fine-tuning control

[10:50:20]

Archer:

problem solved

[10:50:21]

fatejudger:

I don't get anywhere near all of my channels

[10:50:29]

fatejudger:

and the ones I do get are grainy

[10:50:32]

astyler:

are any channels passable or not?

[10:50:38]

fatejudger:

none

[10:50:38]

astyler:

ah

[10:50:39]

Archer:

ubuntu is really gay about rw privs

[10:50:46]

fatejudger:

would you like me to screen them?

[10:50:53]

astyler:

it may be configured for broadcast or cable frequencies

[10:51:00]

astyler:

what is your source?

[10:51:17]

fatejudger:

I think I'm going to be doomed to a life of telemundo and national geographic

[10:51:25]

fatejudger:

I go to USC

[10:51:26]

Archer:

haha

[10:51:28]

astyler:

that's what channels are available?

[10:51:28]

fatejudger:

so USC Cable

[10:51:41]

Dagmar:

HEllo...

[10:51:44]

fatejudger:

astyler: yes....

[10:51:48]

astyler:

you said not all, are you only getting major networks (NBC, CBS, )

[10:51:51]

Dagmar:

Can we please not call distributions "gay"?

[10:51:52]

astyler:

shewt

[10:51:56]

Dagmar:

What are you, twelve?

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g4lv4tr0n:

yea fixed thanx 4 ur help peeps ;) it was the permission on /var/lib/mythtv/recodings nfslock file than needed to be changed before the backend would start

[10:52:13]

fatejudger:

no, I'm getting some spanish channel

[10:52:14]

sid3windr:

ubuntu is really happy about rw privs, Dagmar

[10:52:15]

Archer:

Dagmar, get a life..

[10:52:16]

sid3windr:

;)

[10:52:17]

fatejudger:

and national geographic

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astyler:

damn

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Dagmar:

Archer: Leave off those little boys then

[10:52:30]

Archer:

sid3windr, thanks

[10:52:42]

fatejudger:

Snoop Dogg is on CNN

[10:52:54]

Dagmar:

sid3windr: It works better than the lunacy of calling it gay

[10:52:55]

astyler:

that is very odd

[10:53:01]

Archer:

ok Dagmar you just gave me shit for saying a distro was gay bc its rw privs are crazy now you're making homosexual comments..

[10:53:06]

Dagmar:

Unless you have something against homosexuals, that comment is just dumb

[10:53:07]

astyler:

fatejudger: i don't think I have the experience to help you

[10:53:31]

fatejudger:

well damn

[10:53:40]

fatejudger:

I have no idea what to do then

[10:53:44]

Archer:

fatejudger, sorry fill me in

[10:53:47]

astyler:

dagmar makes a point that if the term is neutral is doesnt make sense in a derogatory fashion

[10:53:54]

Archer:

i was busy putting up w/ that dipshit Dagmar

[10:53:56]

Dagmar:

Yeah, it's a shame Linux is so damn picky about filesytsem permissions actually being followed

[10:54:00]

netgear:

i looked up trolling now, i cant see how that name matches the act?

[10:54:04]

fatejudger:

Archer: channels are still grainy

[10:54:06]

Dagmar:

It would be much easier if it were like Windows and didn't really have any

[10:54:10]

astyler:

like "ubuntu is really keyboard about rw privs"

[10:54:13]

fatejudger:

Archer: and I still don't get most of them

[10:54:30]

rooaus:

kuil: I haven't had to look at audio stuff before but that looks ok (I think). Seems to have found an audio track that it is happy using.

[10:54:31]

Dibblah:

Windows does, but that (along with most of this conversation) isn't for this channel.

[10:54:45]

Archer:

fatejudger, .. dig or analog

[10:54:56]

kuil:

rooaus: the second one yes.. the first one .. not

[10:54:58]

astyler:

analog

[10:55:04]

kuil:

which is strange...

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kuil:

(I think)

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fatejudger:

Archer: tuner?

[10:55:12]

Archer:

fatejudger, have you given mythbuntu a try?

[10:55:20]

fatejudger:

Archer: that's what I'm using

[10:55:25]

Archer:

hmm

[10:55:30]

astyler:

fate's tuner and source are both analog

[10:55:40]

Archer:

thats what i started w/

[10:55:41]

Archer:

hmm

[10:55:43]

astyler:

are you up to date fate?

[10:55:49]

astyler:

sudo apt-get update

[10:55:57]

astyler:

you may have old ivtv

[10:56:00]

Archer:

true

[10:56:12]

Archer:

wait!

[10:56:20]

Dagmar:

...and damn if the firmware needed hasn't changed again

[10:56:28]

Dagmar:

uname -a will tell us what version of ivtv *should* be there

[10:57:09]

fatejudger:

I just installed Ubuntu this afternoon

[10:57:11]

Archer:

i dunno i got nothin lol i'm using a Dvico fusion HDTV soo

[10:57:13]

rooaus:

kuil: try getting a log with a working recording.

[10:57:13]

fatejudger:

fresh copy

[10:57:18]

Archer:

everything just works for me :)

[10:57:58]

Archer:

fatejudger, just to let you know i had alot of problems w/ mythbuntu at first

[10:58:38]

kuil:

rooaus: maybe my pastebin is a bit 'messy'.. but it contains 2 playings.. one with working sound... and one withouth working sound

[10:58:48]

Archer:

I had 1 bad install and was getting the pink screen of death every so many times of starting my tuner

[10:59:02]

kuil:

with working sound it says it found an audio track.. and goes from -1 to something else

[10:59:05]

fatejudger:

pink screen?

[10:59:05]

astyler:

well fate, there have been a lot of updates since the livecd online

[10:59:07]

kuil:

the otherone goes from -1 to -1

[10:59:11]

Archer:

i upgraded my vid driver to the envy Nvidia driver and finally things worked out

[10:59:19]

Archer:

yeah

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astyler:

sudo apt-get update in your terminal should grab ~120 MB

[10:59:36]

fatejudger:

but why is it that I can't even view the channels in VLC?

[10:59:44]

Archer:

fatejudger, if you havent updated from what the livecd gave u dont expect it to work

[10:59:55]

astyler:

well, the ivtv driver used for your card may be out of date

[11:00:07]

astyler:

for one

[11:00:13]

Archer:

BIG ONE

[11:00:18]

Dagmar:

Sometime in the last nine months or so the firmwares required definitely chanegd

[11:00:24]

Archer:

always, always update mythbuntu

[11:00:37]

Dagmar:

I was using the same firmware for AGES on my PVR-500, like at least since 0.4.2 I think

[11:00:49]

Archer:

what OS tho Dagmar

[11:00:51]

Dagmar:

I just updated "teh everything" last week, and had to get new firmwares

[11:00:59]

Dagmar:

Archer: OS was LInux.

[11:01:06]

Archer:

what distro

[11:01:07]

Dagmar:

The distribution doesn't matter because this is all kernel-space stuff

[11:01:13]

Archer:

jusus christ u knew what i meant

[11:01:17]

Archer:

dont be suck a prude

[11:01:38]

Dagmar:

If he changed the kernel, and the version of ivtv that is needed is directly tied to the kernel version, he gets to look into whether or not he still has the right firmware

[11:01:40]

Archer:

fatejudger, have you updated?

[11:01:45]

Dagmar:

...as well as the right ivtv driver

[11:01:48]

rooaus:

kuil: Compare lines #3 and #16

[11:02:16]

Archer:

yeah but at any rate he should do a system update first

[11:02:28]

fatejudger:

Archer: no, but I figured some stuff out

[11:02:35]

Dagmar:

2.6.22 >= (IIRC) requires ivtv 1.0.0 because the bulk of it finally got merged into the kernel

[11:02:51]

Dagmar:

If you try to use or stick with older versions of ivtv than that, it will fail

[11:02:57]

fatejudger:

Archer: like the fact that either this coax cable or cable splitter is broken

[11:03:15]

Archer:

lol

[11:03:22]

Dagmar:

Looking through the CHangelog it looks like the firmware changed righ before then with 0.10.3

[11:03:23]

Archer:

well that could be the problem w/ limited channels

[11:03:59]

Archer:

Dagmar, are you using schedules direct ?

[11:04:09]

Dagmar:

If your'e getting a pink screen, that's sounding more than just a bit like what i was seeing before I updated my firmware

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[11:04:22]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[11:04:31]

Archer:

is it currently working?

[11:04:37]

Dagmar:

Dunno. Lemme check

[11:04:48]

kuil:

rooaus: hmm.. strange

[11:04:55]

Dagmar:

Workin' fine

[11:05:01]

fatejudger:

what's more likely, broken cable or broken splitter?

[11:05:12]

Dagmar:

fatejudger: You're getting snow?

[11:05:14]

Archer:

mine and atleast one other persons isnt working .. when we fill we see some 401k error and in our myth itself we have not program guide data

[11:05:26]

Dagmar:

You'll ALWAYS see the 401 error

[11:05:38]

Dagmar:

Something peculiar to the grabber

[11:05:38]

fatejudger:

Dagmar: I'm getting horrible signal degradation

[11:05:43]

Archer:

hmm

[11:05:48]

Dagmar:

Immediately following that should be a 200 response code where it _does_ get the data

[11:05:58]

Archer:

yeah

[11:06:09]

Archer:

but i dont see why all the sudden i'm having this problem

[11:06:11]

rooaus:

kuil: If it is an important recording you could extract the mux from the ts using an external tool.

[11:06:13]

Archer:

it was fine a week ago

[11:06:13]

Dagmar:

fatejudger: That would probably be the cable then, unless of course you're talking about channels over 13 only

[11:06:28]

Dagmar:

Did you pay the fee?

[11:06:32]

rooaus:

kuil: Are you running from binary packages?

[11:06:34]

Archer:

yes lol

[11:06:41]

kuil:

rooaus: yes

[11:06:45]

Dagmar:

Okay, you mentioned "a week" and I figured I'd ask

[11:06:53]

kuil:

but I fiddled a bit with cat and czap (using dvb)

[11:07:00]

Archer:

no i had it working for 2–3 moths then left for a week

[11:07:08]

kuil:

those recordings play fine uxing mplayer and xine

[11:07:09]

fatejudger:

Dagmar: I get channel 8

[11:07:09]

Archer:

came back and its down

[11:07:14]

kuil:

but somehow not in mythtv

[11:07:24]

Archer:

Dagmar, what were you saying about channels over 13?

[11:07:44]

Archer:

i had some problems w/ one of my myth installs and it wouldnt tune over channel 13

[11:08:30]

Dagmar:

Generally that means you set the frequency table to us-bcast instead of us-cable

[11:08:38]

Dagmar:

...or vice versa.

[11:08:45]

Archer:

hmm

[11:09:05]

Dagmar:

...and I shouldn't say "generally" because it's damn near a certainty if that's the behaviour you see.

[11:09:13]

Archer:

lol

[11:09:24]

Dagmar:

US Broadcast switches to UHF above channel 13.

[11:09:39]

astyler:

sure does

[11:09:41]

rooaus:

kuil: mythtv uses the same libs as mplayer and xine I believe, but they are part of the myth source so it will be much older than the mplayer probably.

[11:09:41]

Dagmar:

US Cable does not. It keeps going up steadily as VHF the whole way to over 100

[11:09:52]

Archer:

ok

[11:09:55]

Archer:

thanks man

[11:10:03]

Dagmar:

By the way this is what I meant about the 401

[11:10:03]

Dagmar:

http://pastebin.ca/888744

[11:10:13]

astyler:

yeah I said the 401 was normal archer

[11:10:17]

astyler:

then 200 OK afterwards

[11:10:27]

astyler:

problems arise with 500 Internal server error

[11:10:33]

kuil:

rooaus: thx

[11:10:39]

Archer:

hmm

[11:10:44]

Dagmar:

Line 29. It used to bug the crap out of me and then I decided it wasn't worth giving a damn about if the people running the server don't care about the failed query

[11:10:51]

kuil:

I will try to see if I can somehow fix this

[11:10:51]

Archer:

lemme see what exactly mine says real quick

[11:11:03]

astyler:

dagmar: i get the typical 401, 200

[11:11:20]

astyler:

but cannot Fetch Channels from Listings on video source

[11:11:27]

rooaus:

kuil: Try extracting the ps from the ts, others will know of good tools to do that.

[11:11:30]

astyler:

it has never worked

[11:11:45]

Dagmar:

astyler: sounds like you forgot to login and define a channel lineup

[11:11:54]

fatejudger:

so, even if my channels are fuzzy and grainy, that still doesn't explain why mythtv doesn't work

[11:11:56]

Archer:

that could be

[11:12:08]

Archer:

that or he didnt associate the video source w/ his card

[11:12:09]

Dagmar:

MythTV has *no* idea what information it should be asking SD for actually beyond a range of dates

[11:12:09]

astyler:

nope, login is correct, it grabs lineups and I select the correct one (comcast pittsburgh local cable)

[11:12:09]

fatejudger:

does it?

[11:12:16]

Dagmar:

It'll take whatever lineup SD hands you

[11:12:23]

astyler:

but it just wont get the channels

[11:12:27]

Archer:

hmm

[11:12:36]

Archer:

he's having the same prob as me Dagmar

[11:12:44]

Archer:

i had mine working fine then just went out

[11:12:47]

Archer:

i wasnt even here

[11:13:06]

astyler:

i tried a tv_grab_na_dd --output raw.xml and that gets all the data fine

[11:13:08]

Archer:

only thing i can think of is my power went out and a hot shutdown did something to it?

[11:13:09]

Dagmar:

Archer: Can you pastebin the output of mythfilldatabase (with the backend running of course)

[11:13:16]

Dagmar:

Could be

[11:13:27]

Dagmar:

MySQl is *VERY* tetchy about power failures

[11:13:29]

Archer:

yeah give me a bit.. gotta get on the mythbox

[11:13:48]

Dagmar:

eep 5:13, I gotta go grab some food real quick

[11:13:59]

astyler:

6:13 got to f'in sleep

[11:14:08]

astyler:

this box infuriates me

[11:14:14]

Dagmar:

If you guys could stop having problems while I'm gone so we can go back to idling in silence, that would be cool. ;)

[11:14:23]

kuil:

rooaus: ps?

[11:14:31]

Archer:

lol astyler just hold on its awesome once its all working

[11:14:35]

Archer:

just gotta get to that point

[11:14:38]

astyler:

yeah...

[11:14:44]

Archer:

i think using mythbuntu is our downfall lol

[11:14:51]

Daviey:

>:(

[11:14:57]

Dagmar:

Could be, but _shouldn't_ be really

[11:15:00]

Archer:

but brb i'm jumpin on my mythbox lol back to my 27" monitor ;)

[11:15:00]

astyler:

i don't think im going to on my next attempt

[11:15:04]

** Dagmar takes off for the Circle K **

[11:15:10]

astyler:

archer

[11:15:16]

astyler:

email me if you get sd working

[11:15:26]

Archer:

whats your email

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Daviey:

Dagmar: Circle K shit down 10 years ago in the UK

[11:15:34]

astyler:

yhpm

[11:15:36]

Daviey:

erm, s/shit/shut

[11:15:39]

Archer:

ok i'll let you know

[11:15:44]

astyler:

thanks

[11:15:46]

astyler:

night

[11:15:50]

Archer:

yup c ya man

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rooaus:

kuil: program stream, may not have been the best term though :)

[11:16:23]

kuil:

ah.... not very familiar with the terms .. sorry

[11:16:35]

kuil:

sometimes I really feel like a noob when it comes to recordings

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mythbox1:

Dagmar, its archer.. heres that link http://pastebin.ca/888749

[11:21:45]

mythbox1:

it seems as tho its downloading the data... I dont know wha the problem is

[11:22:34]

Dagmar:

Good thing I haven't left the office yet

[11:22:49]

Dagmar:

It's pretty much GOT to be that the channel data nad inputs aren't associated properly

[11:23:09]

kuil:

rooaus: I will try with mencoder...

[11:23:12]

kuil:

thx for your help!

[11:23:20]

kuil:

really appriciated

[11:23:45]

mythbox1:

lol

[11:23:57]

Dagmar:

mythbox1: Double check your stuff in MythTV setup paying special attention to the screen that says just mainly [/dev/video0 -> Tuner 1] and so forth over and over

[11:24:14]

Dagmar:

I think it's the fourth menu item, but can't remember at the moment.

[11:24:19]

Dagmar:

Need chee burgah!

[11:24:36]

rooaus:

kuil: Sorry I wasn't more helpful :(

[11:24:43]

mythbox1:

all the settings are how they should be

[11:24:52]

kuil:

rooaus: i did mencoder in.mpg -o out.mpg -of mpeg -mpegopts format=mpeg2

[11:24:58]

kuil:

that did the trick!

[11:25:00]

kuil:

thx!

[11:25:38]

rooaus:

cool

[11:26:00]

kuil:

enjoy your weekend.. /me has to 'dress up for a carnaval (is that the name?) thing'

[11:26:04]

kuil:

rooaus: indeed

[11:26:13]

** kuil is happy now :) **

[11:26:20]

rooaus:

Rio?

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[11:26:30]

kuil:

unfortunately no

[11:26:42]

kuil:

nl

[11:26:45]

kuil:

so cold :(

[11:26:57]

kuil:

but ttyl.. thanks again!

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[11:29:02]

tjcarter:

it's about as ANTItopic as possible (but it does wind up relating to my Myth setup believe it or not!), I'm wondering if anyone might know where I can find an alternative for a computer desk damaged irreparably in the move.. It's got some fairly unique characteristics

[11:29:42]

justinh:

buy a good router & make one :)

[11:30:33]

tjcarter:

justinh: apartment life sucks sometimes.

[11:30:35]

justinh:

oh great. just when I really need it linuxtv.org is down

[11:31:07]

justinh:

tjcarter: not having a workshop has never stopped me. you just need a good vacuum cleaner to tidy it all up

[11:31:51]

tjcarter:

it's a pair of 36" x 24" desks with a (load bearing!) connecting bridge providing a third work surface about 17" wide

[11:32:07]

justinh:

the desks would be easy enough to come by

[11:32:10]

tjcarter:

in fact, the keyboard drawer normally fits under the center corner bit

[11:32:28]

justinh:

should be easy enough to make a load bearing bridge

[11:33:48]

justinh:

I blame my dad for my 'can do diy' approach. made my own custom turntable workstation a couple of years ago, complete with recesses just the right height to make the sl1200s flush ;)

[11:33:58]

tjcarter:

justinh: If I had a router, a table saw, probably a whole pile of finish plywood, and the appropriate glues, hardware, clamps, etc, I could build this thing pretty easily

[11:34:37]

justinh:

bah mdf, big screws & some nice big shelf supports. any decent wood emporium should be able to cut to size & finish the edges for you

[11:34:43]

orkid:

wow. myth is neat :) i just have to get a capture card now , or try to configure my x800tv for video-in (if even possible!)

[11:34:49]

tjcarter:

This thing is made of MDF, so yes

[11:34:54]

orkid:

i just have to figure out playing audio with dvds still

[11:34:58]

orkid:

:D

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tjcarter:

justinh: this thing is MDF with a few plastic pins and metal screw things that lok into cams in the mating component

[11:38:09]

sid3windr:

tjcarter: any luck with the drive? ;)

[11:38:30]

tjcarter:

sid3windr: No, but for a reason that's astounding

[11:38:49]

tjcarter:

My brother wanted to try to dismantle the two LCD screens and try to swap their backlights

[11:38:53]

tjcarter:

That WORKED

[11:39:01]

tjcarter:

The iMac lives!

[11:39:05]

sid3windr:

heh

[11:39:08]

tjcarter:

I'm floored

[11:39:25]

sid3windr:

SILLY BROTHER!

[11:39:26]

sid3windr:

;)

[11:39:58]

tjcarter:

It was crazy enough to take a dead ViewSonic and an iMac with a big hole in its LCD and swap the one for the other.

[11:40:15]

tjcarter:

It was only feasable they might work because both parts claimed to be Philips LM201W01

[11:40:32]

Dagmar:

Well, I tell folks that TFT stands for "Thin Fluourescent Tube" sometimes when they won't undestand the real answer

[11:40:35]

Dagmar:

Now you know why

[11:40:39]

tjcarter:

turns out that just because that's the label on the panel doesn't mean the panel's identical

[11:40:46]

Dagmar:

Well, if you tore one of those apart you'd know anyway

[11:41:12]

tjcarter:

We did =D

[11:41:54]

tjcarter:

the Apple panel's backlight (and back panel of the display with black shield sticker over the high voltage board) were transplanted to the ViewSonic LCD screen.

[11:42:27]

Dagmar:

Yeah that's usually safe

[11:42:37]

tjcarter:

That's WAY more serious repair work than I ever intended to do!

[11:43:05]

tjcarter:

although, if you can open the fecking iMac in the first place, you're qualified to perform open heart surgery

[11:43:08]

Dagmar:

Just don't um, try to use the little voltage board there with a _different_ teeny fluourescent tube or you'll maybe let the magic smoke out of the lot

[11:43:27]

Dibblah:

Is it just me, or is it off-topic-in-every-channel day? :)

[11:43:29]

Dagmar:

...but it's reasonably safe to transplant both the tube and the little board that powers it together

[11:43:51]

tjcarter:

I'm really surprised that the part can have more than one backlight option

[11:43:52]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: It's 5:44Am here. If I had my druthers, I'd be too drunk to type reponsibly right now

[11:43:54]

sid3windr:

Dibblah: weekend \o/

[11:44:02]

tjcarter:

you'd think LM201W01 = LM201W01

[11:44:06]

Dibblah:

"My wifi doesn't work in ##electronics"

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: Nah, that's a model number

[11:45:13]

Dagmar:

There's no real guarantee abuot what exact parts are inside it

[11:45:34]

justinh:

Dibblah: it's nice not to be on topic here, spesh at weekends

[11:45:53]

justinh:

I'd rather it be OT than full of idiots who get bolshy when you suggest they RTFM

[11:49:31]

Dibblah:

Try suggesting that the WTFM :)

[11:51:56]

justinh:

still nobody up for writing the wiki article about input groups?

[11:52:08]

justinh:

I might have to put my pvr card back in the dev box

[11:52:56]

Dagmar:

If I had a clue what input groups were

[11:53:25]

rooaus:

/everyone takes one step back... leaving justinh out front ;)

[11:53:33]

justinh:

input groups are for configuring myth so that it knows about different card inputs that can't be used at the same time

[11:53:43]

Dagmar:

Oh!

[11:53:54]

justinh:

e.g. on a pvr150 & you use composite, svideo and its tuner you'd put them in the same input group

[11:53:58]

Dagmar:

Is that some progress along the lines of making the FM tuner on some of these useable without throwing everything into chaos?

[11:54:09]

justinh:

yes but without the FM tuner part

[11:54:11]

Dagmar:

That's effing awesome

[11:54:29]

justinh:

but then 'all' one would need to do is write an fm recorder class

[11:54:35]

Dagmar:

Yep

[11:55:16]

justinh:

infact from that it's but a short step away from making an audio-only input class too

[11:55:37]

justinh:

guide data for radio would be tricky but hey

[11:56:17]

Daviey:

OTFA

[11:57:14]

justinh:

won't even pretend to know what that meant Daviey

[11:57:18]

rooaus:

I believe the multirec merge brought true audio only capabilites, ie no dummy stream needed anymore. I thought that was why dvb radio had some hickups, but could be wrong as well :)

[11:57:35]

Daviey:

justinh: Over the farking air, radio guide data

[11:57:50]

justinh:

Daviey: dvb-t radio has been supported since wooo.. way back when

[11:58:06]

justinh:

not FM radio :)

[11:58:13]

Daviey:

true, true

[11:58:18]

justinh:

nor line input radio :)

[11:58:41]

Daviey:

I remember using trunk _just_ to have dvb radio.. That was buggy as hell :)

[11:58:57]

justinh:

draw the line there though.. no streaming radio recording. dodgy territory

[11:59:13]

Daviey:

>;(

[11:59:34]

Daviey:

Is it really any more dodgy than recording broadcasted radio?

[11:59:43]

justinh:

with the right class though.. quite easy in theory

[11:59:46]

Daviey:

providing the stream is legal etc

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justinh:

this is where I dunno why this project takes the stance it does on 'possibly illegal' while so many other projects turn a blind eye

[12:00:32]

Dagmar:

WEll, it's not a matter of dodgyness as it is so much "No one's been sued recently for recording analog radio"

[12:00:43]

Dagmar:

The guys who wrote the XM caching tool tho... whooo baby

[12:01:12]

Daviey:

<-- Listens to streams more than real radio

[12:01:26]

justinh:

radioparadise <3

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justinh:

ugh why the hell does this init script spew debug into the terminal which launched it?

[12:03:20]

justinh:

yeah it's an ubuntu init script. might be old though

[12:04:01]

justinh:

ahh maybe because there's no /var/log/mythtv dir

[12:04:47]

justinh:

bingo!

[12:05:01]

justinh:

put up with that one for effing ages

[12:05:30]

Daviey:

"put up", is it that much of a problem? :)

[12:05:47]

justinh:

can be if you start the init script from a session you want to work from

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MilhousePunkRock:

Hello everyone!

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Daviey:

justinh: oic

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Daviey:

MilhousePunkRock: O/

[12:08:24]

MilhousePunkRock:

How much time should I calculate for migrating from my somewhat-working Hauppauge Nova-T 500 remote with its own receiver to an M$ MCE version 2 using the receiver in the Antec Fusion 430's VFD?

[12:10:17]

Dibblah:

rnd(20)*hours

[12:10:19]

MilhousePunkRock:

And even more important: How/where do I start?

[12:12:06]

tjcarter:

justinh: http://yumi.bluecherry.net/~tjcarter/desk.pdf

[12:12:18]

justinh:

RTFM is usually the very 1st step if you want success

[12:12:24]

tjcarter:

justinh: feer my AppleWorks skillz ;)

[12:12:50]

tjcarter:

the two shaded bits only extend down about 12" from the desk, they're the supports

[12:13:12]

tjcarter:

Didn't include holes for cord manglement

[12:13:13]

justinh:

it's phear :P

[12:13:32]

** tjcarter isn't l33t enough for phear **

[12:13:55]

justinh:

ahh curvy. nothing a good jigsaw & a steady hand couldn't cope with :P

[12:14:15]

tjcarter:

jigsaw on a jig ;)

[12:14:25]

Dibblah:

Jigsaw?

[12:14:29]

Dibblah:

Harrumph.

[12:14:38]

tjcarter:

it's a 3 foot radius quarter-circle.

[12:14:40]

Dibblah:

Router + template

[12:14:52]

Dibblah:

Or a proper post sander.

[12:15:04]

MilhousePunkRock:

Best starting point is probably to grab the laptop and move to the HTPC, the remote won't work from here for sure...

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tjcarter:

Dibblah: you can see why I like this work surface so much? =)

[12:15:34]

tjcarter:

and why I am so sad that I cannot get another?

[12:16:55]

** Dibblah has a leet puter desk (in common parlance) **

[12:17:23]

tjcarter:

this has no drawers, no hutch, no nothing you'd find intrusive to setting up an environment s you like.

[12:17:38]

Dibblah:

Seats 12, cable holes, works well with my desk hoist.

[12:17:45]

Dagmar:

So, it's great when your workarea model is "a heaping pile of crap" then

[12:18:01]

Dibblah:

(It's in the garage for gaming sessions :)

[12:18:12]

tjcarter:

IOW, Dagmar, yes ;)

[12:18:42]

Dagmar:

I have a desk like that

[12:18:43]

Dagmar:

I have two in fact

[12:18:50]

Dagmar:

Except they have hutches and shelves and stuff

[12:19:02]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: like mine?

[12:19:03]

Dagmar:

...so I can divvy my crap in to smaller, neater-looking stacks.

[12:19:18]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: mine was part of a system you could add that crap to

[12:19:39]

justinh:

I have a small uncluttered island in front of my keyboard. the rest.. you can't see the wood for the cds & junk

[12:19:47]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: but most hutches for computer desks are made for people with 19" LCDs

[12:19:51]

tjcarter:

NOT 24" iMacs ;)

[12:19:59]

Dagmar:

THat feeling I know

[12:20:07]

Dagmar:

Mine wasn't made for a 19" CRT and a 17" CRT

[12:20:14]

Dagmar:

It's a little wobbly in places now

[12:20:21]

Dagmar:

The 22" LCD fits just fine tho

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orkid:

hutches?

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: you know who made yours?

[12:21:15]

tjcarter:

orkid: thing on top of a desk with shelves and cabinets and crap ;)

[12:21:16]

justinh:

that bloody dog's chewed my yahoo! pen to ickle bits

[12:21:26]

Dagmar:

Oh crap

[12:21:31]

Dagmar:

MIcrosoft will never buy it now

[12:21:35]

justinh:

lol

[12:21:40]

Dagmar:

You could have probably gotten them to cough up $150 for it

[12:22:04]

justinh:

still, had more use out of it that the opensuse cd I got in the same bag

[12:22:12]

tjcarter:

haha

[12:22:51]

MilhousePunkRock:

:D Powering on the HTPC works out of the box with that MCE remote

[12:22:58]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: I'm really not interested in investing a couple grand on shop tools to build a desk ;)

[12:23:18]

Dagmar:

I only spent $130 for mine

[12:23:34]

tjcarter:

That's about what I paid

[12:23:42]

tjcarter:

but I cannot buy another of this desk

[12:23:42]

justinh:

cheap tools ftw. if they break, buy another. if they never get used again – so what?

[12:23:55]

tjcarter:

the company doesn't exist anymore and nobody else is making it

[12:23:59]

Dagmar:

Sauder

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justinh:

find time to go round a liquidator's auction or few ;)

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justinh:

ignore the conscooter equipment – people have been known to pay stupid prices for dumb terminals – but office quipment goes for a song

[12:26:24]

** justinh limbers up once more to have a go at integrating mythappearance **

[12:27:07]

justinh:

Dagmar: you seen that yet btw? move the arrows to your screen edges.. bye bye messing about with guesswork in the GUI size/offset page

[12:27:36]

Dagmar:

justinh: Actually, I don't have to care about that anymore as I have a 32" LCD widescreen now and I'm using it's VGA input

[12:27:42]

Dagmar:

1360x768 is much easier

[12:27:45]

justinh:

heh

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justinh:

I figure it'll come in handy in CRT land as well as HDTV land – for those whose sets don't/can't pixel match

[12:28:15]

Dagmar:

I actually spent $500 in part to avoid having to futz with calibrating the CRT again

[12:28:43]

justinh:

when I see a flat panel good enough at a price I like I'll get it

[12:28:46]

Dagmar:

'I have a disgusting array of test images I should probably upload somewhere. Heh

[12:28:56]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: O'Sullivan made mine

[12:28:57]

Dagmar:

I got a Dynex 32" for $500 USD

[12:29:06]

justinh:

dynex? who hell they?!

[12:29:14]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: Yeah, Sauder & O'Sullivan are the two big makers of those

[12:29:28]

Dagmar:

I'd check Ikea or the local Staples/OfficeMax and see what else is available

[12:29:38]

netgear:

what user do i need to use during mythtv-backend setup? root or the other user?

[12:29:52]

Dagmar:

justinh: They're somewhat new, and they appear to be basically cloning Toshiba's stuff

[12:30:44]

justinh:

netgear: the user mythbackend will be running as, or whatever your distro howto says

[12:31:14]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: http://sauder.com/furniture/product.asp?p=687 or so?

[12:31:30]

netgear:

ok i have a user user on my pc but that user doesnt work, it only works with user root

[12:31:33]

justinh:

bah no point limbering up to do anything. still compiling

[12:31:48]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: if that whole space under it were open and usable as leg space, that'd be workable

[12:32:06]

tjcarter:

I don't need a place to stick one computer and associated crap

[12:32:08]

justinh:

netgear: rtfm on your distro mythtv howto. save guessing

[12:32:25]

netgear:

i have read all the pages on it

[12:32:28]

tjcarter:

I need three "computers" in easy reach.

[12:33:06]

justinh:

netgear: is it one of those which says "now run mythtv-setup and configure everything you need there" ?

[12:33:18]

netgear:

yes

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justinh:

oops

[12:33:32]

justinh:

which distro?

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netgear:

ubuntu

[12:33:49]

netgear:

nevermind ill wait for iamlindoro

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MilhousePunkRock:

justinh: Worked for me with mythbuntu though, netgear sudo ftw

[12:34:17]

justinh:

netgear: mythbackend runs as root on ubuntu AFAIK

[12:34:25]

MilhousePunkRock:

netgear: Unless you are setting up a multi-purpose system, I'd suggest MythBuntu, as easy as it can get...

[12:34:27]

netgear:

ok

[12:34:38]

MilhousePunkRock:

justinh: It does

[12:35:05]

MilhousePunkRock:

justinh: No, it does not, htop says it runs as "mythtv"

[12:35:27]

justinh:

netgear: it doesn't matter all that much on the following conditions: 1. the user you run mythtv-setup as has write privs to the storage dir(s) 2. access to mysql

[12:35:31]

MilhousePunkRock:

Still, you need su rights to run myth-backend-setup

[12:35:47]

justinh:

myth-backend-setup? what the hell is that from?

[12:36:10]

netgear:

its from gui part

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MilhousePunkRock:

justinh: Just quoting netgear in that case, I don't even know what it's called, mythbuntu does all the dirty work

[12:36:23]

sid3windr:

s/backend-/tv/ or so

[12:36:35]

sid3windr:

well, almost anyway =)

[12:36:50]

justinh:

I wish to _hell_ people would stop making their own special commands that do stuff the user can't see

[12:36:59]

MilhousePunkRock:

sid3windr: myth-tvsetup?? ;)

[12:37:09]

sid3windr:

yes, that's the <almost> part =p

[12:37:17]

justinh:

mythtv-setup is the _correct_ program to run

[12:37:18]

sid3windr:

dash in the wrong place ;)

[12:37:46]

justinh:

IIRC ubuntu has changed it to run a script which stops the backend, runs a _real_ mythtv-setup and then restarts the backend on completion

[12:38:03]

MilhousePunkRock:

netgear: Actually the MCC should prompt you for the sudo password when configuring the backend...

[12:38:09]

justinh:

supposed to help, and is all very well & good if users follow the ubuntu docs to the letter

[12:38:37]

MilhousePunkRock:

justinh: And that brings us back to rtfm

[12:38:44]

justinh:

ding ding!

[12:38:49]

MilhousePunkRock:

Which is not very encouraging for the lazy noob though...

[12:39:05]

justinh:

mythtv can't be held responsible for customisations distro packagers make

[12:39:39]

justinh:

MilhousePunkRock: lazy noobs can all burn in hell. it's all they deserve

[12:39:50]

MilhousePunkRock:

netgear: There's always #ubuntu-mythtv for stuff more specific to ubuntu than myth

[12:40:06]

justinh:

MilhousePunkRock: then we get 'muh, but that channel is dead'

[12:40:13]

justinh:

:)

[12:40:25]

justinh:

anyway...

[12:40:40]

MilhousePunkRock:

There are a few regulars both here and there though... Daviey for instance...

[12:41:36]

MilhousePunkRock:

justinh: And speaking of rftm, back to mce remote... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote That's probably the best place to start off with it, right?

[12:41:39]

justinh:

I'm using an old ubuntu init script & it has mythbackend running as root for whatever reason. I'm ok with that. if it's changed to something else since, fine with that too

[12:41:47]

justinh:

MilhousePunkRock: more than likely

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MilhousePunkRock:

I wonder what I need to do to the Hauppauge remote before getting started with the M$ one though...

[12:42:23]

justinh:

it's really pretty damn difficult to screw up setting up mythtv on ubuntu. I know, I've tried it both ways – with brain unplugged & with brain plugged in

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justinh:

with brain unplugged, dismissing every popup without reading it is a sure fire way to fail

[12:43:19]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: http://www.bush-furniture-online.com/bush_ADV039-hc.html Seriously considering that.

[12:43:20]

justinh:

yeh OK, OK .. OK.. OK... install other stuff.. whoah now wait a sec.. can't login to mysql server... relp!

[12:43:26]

sid3windr:

=)

[12:43:28]

MilhousePunkRock:

Common sense is really helpful in many situations, not only myth or pc related... ;)

[12:43:29]

mythmplayer:

Should the mplayer in mythtv be using both of my cores, when watching HD material?

[12:43:33]

tjcarter:

It's way more serious than the O'Sullivan and Sauder things

[12:43:41]

justinh:

mythmplayer: it can only use one

[12:43:43]

tjcarter:

but ... more serious isn't a bad thing. =)

[12:43:44]

Dagmar:

HOLY CRAP it's pricey

[12:44:06]

mythmplayer:

justinh: damn...

[12:44:10]

justinh:

mythmplayer: and it's not mplayer – unless you're talking about mythvideo's default video player

[12:44:30]

mythmplayer:

justinh: yes, exactly that, mplayer

[12:44:43]

justinh:

and even if you were using the latest mplayer with threading support it'll only help with files encoded with slices

[12:44:57]

mythmplayer:

justinh: trying to watch wared movies...

[12:45:10]

justinh:

i.e. not some dodgy rip you downloaded, in which case – hard luck

[12:45:18]

mythmplayer:

justinh: right :)

[12:45:23]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: I have something along the lines of http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/stores/serv . . . mArea=SEARCH but larger

[12:45:46]

justinh:

mythmplayer: for those, back to windows :P

[12:45:48]

Dagmar:

It's got the exaxct same desktop shape as the stencil you showed in the PDF so we may very well have the same desk

[12:45:58]

mythmplayer:

justinh: not a choice :)

[12:45:59]

Dagmar:

'cpet I got two of 'em. nyah nyah nyah

[12:46:01]

Dagmar:

;)

[12:46:19]

justinh:

mythmplayer: you have a choice. be unable to play them, or get a faster CPU

[12:46:31]

mythmplayer:

justinh: is it possible to re encode those to something not so cpu intensive?

[12:47:21]

justinh:

mythmplayer: in any case, you need to pass the threaded mplayer extra parameters to use more than one core IIRC

[12:47:34]

justinh:

so just 'mplayer $somefile' won't do it AFAIK

[12:47:38]

Dagmar:

If you don't mind the files being OMGmassive then possibly

[12:48:20]

justinh:

right now with h.264 we're almost back in the dark days of 'multimedia computing' where machines only just had audio playback & you were lucky if they could play any video at all

[12:48:48]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: Staples uses cookies

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Dagmar:

tjcarter: Ack. One moment

[12:49:29]

justinh:

until GPU assisted playback comes to linux properly we're screwed, basically as far as the newer HD formats go

[12:49:46]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: It's item # 503278

[12:50:03]

Dagmar:

"South Shore Urban Corner Desk"

[12:50:16]

tjcarter:

Ah, I think I saw that one

[12:50:19]

mythmplayer:

justinh: OK. this seems a bit shitty... :/ any GPU's getting near that with linux drivers?

[12:50:31]

justinh:

urban? is it going to hang around with its homies on dark street corners & do drive-by shootings?

[12:50:37]

justinh:

mythmplayer: no way

[12:50:53]

justinh:

mythmplayer: what cpu do you have anyway? and what format are you trying to play?

[12:50:56]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/00079215 doesn't look so bad

[12:51:54]

justinh:

whee more hate email. from the same person by the look of it. now I'm even more unlikely to help

[12:51:55]

Dagmar:

The only problem with Ikea is that if you've played a bit of The Sims or Sims 2, the more of their stuff you have the more likely you are to hallucinate the game music

[12:52:01]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: I'd need a much bigger work surface

[12:52:14]

mythmplayer:

justinh: I heard there was some opensource opengl version to some of the gpus, what was that called? site? if you know...

[12:52:34]

justinh:

mythmplayer: still very much vapourware

[12:52:35]

mythmplayer:

2.7GHz dual core, amd64

[12:52:50]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: This is why I bought *two* of the desks. Ihave them side by side covering one half of the study, like "LJ" sort of

[12:52:58]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: I have my iMac, a reading device that is essentially another computer for calculating space needs, and another work area for .. work =)

[12:53:03]

Dagmar:

So I've got LOTS of desk space

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tjcarter:

ah

[12:53:13]

Dagmar:

Even have a filing cabinet in between them

[12:53:15]

tjcarter:

My apartment isn't that big ;)

[12:53:20]

Dagmar:

My lab isn't that big

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justinh:

mythmplayer: put it this way, when I built my new c2d frontend I tried out some h.264 samples from apple.com. it could play even the 1080p files just fine

[12:53:30]

justinh:

with only one core

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Dagmar:

I have two feet of buffer space around the back of them, so that I can crawl back there to do wiring

[12:53:46]

mythmplayer:

c2d?

[12:53:51]

justinh:

core2 duo

[12:53:56]

MilhousePunkRock:

justinh: As in "apple trailers" in MythVideo?

[12:54:00]

justinh:

no

[12:54:06]

justinh:

as in samples from apple's website

[12:54:12]

mythmplayer:

justinh: ok.

[12:54:14]

netgear:

i have one more question, my / parition is very small and i have a large /data partition, now what user do i need to give and what permissions to be able to have mythtv store its recordings there?

[12:54:21]

justinh:

that apple trailers thing is an effing disgrace

[12:54:40]

justinh:

netgear: depends what user mythbackend runs as

[12:54:48]

justinh:

man I'm sure all this is in their docs

[12:54:49]

Dagmar:

netgear: As to permissions, "the usual" and as to the rest, "teh same place you always tell mythtv-setup"

[12:55:05]

MilhousePunkRock:

justinh: I wonder if they are h.264 too though

[12:55:13]

justinh:

MilhousePunkRock: more than likely

[12:55:19]

MilhousePunkRock:

netgear: the backend runs with root privileges

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mythmplayer:

justinh: It seems that perhaps I can watch them too (the wared ones), but audio sync goes away after some time, video is choppy sometimes...

[12:55:53]

justinh:

hey I have this idea for a 'plugin' – it'll download a bunch of files scraped from a site & make a bunch of menu xml files. can you spell s u c k ?

[12:56:27]

MilhousePunkRock:

justinh: Just checking... It is h.264... Why can my poor backend/frontend P4 1.8 Ghz play that at all?

[12:56:44]

justinh:

because c2d >>> p4 ? :)

[12:57:04]

justinh:

or did you really say why _can_ ?

[12:57:17]

MilhousePunkRock:

justinh: Yes!!!

[12:57:37]

Dagmar:

He really did.

[12:57:50]

justinh:

mythmplayer: another thing guilty of making video playback perform less than optimally – wrong vga card drivers. if you have nvidia, use the binaries, not the nv ones. if you have ATI, buy a nvidia card

[12:57:53]

MilhousePunkRock:

Just watching the trailer of "What would Jesus buy"

[12:58:07]

Dagmar:

"It would not be ATI"

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S39837348

[12:58:26]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: THAT is what I am looking for =D

[12:58:30]

Dagmar:

Man you spend a LOT more on a desk than I do

[12:58:45]

Dagmar:

But then, if my hand slips and I drill a hole through the desk or something, I don't have to care.

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justinh:

MilhousePunkRock: maybe you have the right drivers installed, maybe the h,264 trailers aren't 1080p or at a very high bitrate..

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justinh:

and maybe, just maybe they weren't encoded by some 1337 bastard in a hurry to get them onto a dodgy ftp server

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mythmplayer:

justinh: I have nv card with nvidia binary drivers. But they are a bit old, because I seem to be unable to get the refresh rate to 50Hz... It defaults to 60Hz and can't get it to 50Hz, and all my material is in PAL, so 50Hz would be the choice

[12:59:52]

MilhousePunkRock:

justinh: Of course I have the right driver... ;) OTOH, xvmc is disabled, and from what I read, I don't even think about playing any HD content... Not that I had any available anyway

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Dagmar:

mythplayer: You are using what output?

[13:00:28]

mythmplayer:

justinh: not to get the refresh rate to 50Hz _with_ the newer binary drivers

[13:00:33]

mythmplayer:

hdmi

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justinh:

mythmplayer: personally I wouldn't lose any sleep if you can't play downloaded crap. you shouldn't even be doing that

[13:00:44]

Dagmar:

To an LCD, right?

[13:00:58]

mythmplayer:

Dagmar: rear projection tv

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Dagmar:

AH

[13:01:32]

Dagmar:

Was the thing made for PAL?

[13:01:45]

Dagmar:

TVs tend to _not_ give you an option that way

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justinh:

from what I hear from guys at work, normal hd files from trailers & proper HD sources are fine. 1337 warez videos give them hassle

[13:01:51]

mythmplayer:

Dagmar: yes, and I get it to 50Hz with the older binary drivers

[13:01:59]

Dagmar:

Then stick with the older binary drivers

[13:02:13]

Dagmar:

...or find out why it's refusing to do 60Hz

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Dagmar:

er 50Hz

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mythmplayer:

I've tried to do that, but can't... don't know how to do that, really...

[13:03:52]

mythmplayer:

100.14.19 is the version of the binary

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Dagmar:

The old one or the new one?

[13:04:44]

mythmplayer:

the one that works

[13:04:55]

Dagmar:

So "the old one" then

[13:05:00]

Dagmar:

So use that one

[13:05:08]

Dagmar:

It's not like you're playing a bunch of OpenGL video games

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mythmplayer:

IIRC there is some 169.xx.xx versions out there...

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mythmplayer:

right, so no real improvements with newer drivers... :)

[13:07:39]

Dagmar:

So use the one that works and stop worrying baou tit

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mythmplayer:

right

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Dagmar:

This isn't really a facet of the install that's going to affect much if it works

[13:09:56]

Dagmar:

Either it'll be working, or basically it won't.. There's almost _never_ a case where it's "oddly slow" or "everything is chartreuse" or something

[13:10:18]

mythmplayer:

yep

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Dagmar:

It's if you're tyring to get channels to tune in perfectly that's where you can wind up pulling all your hair out for good reason. :)

[13:11:17]

mythmplayer:

would be nice to watch real HD movies with linux...

[13:11:37]

justinh:

movies you never paid for :-\

[13:11:44]

Dagmar:

Well, you've been told there's no accelleration to be had for x264

[13:11:50]

Dagmar:

You just need a faster CPU

[13:12:02]

Dagmar:

...and possibly the UseEvents option in your xorg.conf

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mythmplayer:

justinh: would it be any different, if I bought blueray station to myth?

[13:12:23]

mythmplayer:

Dagmar: UseEvents?

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

It helps a _bit_

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mythmplayer:

exact line, pretty please? :)

[13:12:51]

justinh:

mythmplayer: not quite, since you can't play bluray discs in linux legitimately

[13:12:53]

Dagmar:

No I will not explain it. nVidia has a README that covers all this and is rather comprehensive

[13:13:41]

Dagmar:

I don't even know what section it goes in anymore because I just use nvidia's configuration tool to set that stuff up

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mythmplayer:

justinh: so, no matter if I download them, I'm committing crime in any case, it seems

[13:14:56]

mythmplayer:

Dagmar: what distro? which method to install binary driver? distros kernel?

[13:15:16]

Dagmar:

huh?>

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mythmplayer:

justinh: or, is it a crime to want to watch HD movies, without windows or table top player... :)

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justinh:

mythmplayer: yeah. admitting you do illegal stuff in a logged channel.. wise or no? hmmm

[13:16:24]

mythmplayer:

Dagmar: as in, which nvidias configuration tool? installed from where...

[13:16:24]

Dagmar:

Expecting us to pretend we didn't see it, even stupider

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Dibblah:

Wanting to watch is not a crime.

[13:16:50]

Dagmar:

mythmplayer: The one that comes with the driver which both the driver installation package AND THE README HINT HINT tells you about

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dibblah: Voyeurism? ;)

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mythmplayer:

justinh: well, people are stupid. I have right to be too... ;)

[13:17:22]

MilhousePunkRock:

mythmplayer: Probably nvidia-settings

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Dagmar:

No, you have a right to become soup.

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Dagmar:

That's about it.

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justinh:

Dibblah: wanting to watch without ever paying for it.. now there's a thing. getting around certain things to make them work with your player shouldn't be necessary but it's a sad fact of life

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mythmplayer:

right

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magius_pendragon:

this is probably not hte best place to aks, but anyone know how to get the ivtv module in kernel 2.6.24?

[13:18:26]

justinh:

magius_pendragon: should be included in the kernel source by now I'd have thought

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Dagmar:

magius_pendragon: You do it by reading the instructions

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Dagmar:

justinh: They are, which makes the question even sadder

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magius_pendragon:

thanks

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justinh:

and they only come out at weekends

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Dagmar:

There's two tuner modules _some_ people might need that are still out-of-tree, and there's the tuning utilities and a firmware bit that comes with the ivtv source package and that's about it

[13:19:36]

Dagmar:

Everything else is squarely in the kernel now

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Dibblah:

The lirc guys think they're heading that way too. Hah.

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Dagmar:

Linus will straighten them out

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Dibblah:

I'd prefer to dump lirc entirely and treat everything as a HID type device.

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Dagmar:

It would be nice if anyone was making those

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Dibblah:

Making what?

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Dibblah:

I mean treat the IR input device as a common resource, then seperate module configuration for each remote.

[13:23:57]

Dibblah:

There are some nasty wrinkles to that approach, but...

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justinh:

we should think ourselves lucky we don't have to piss about with girder

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Dagmar:

Well, if it were an HID device a lot of wrinkles would just go away

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justinh:

no they wouldn't. we'll still have cluetards coming in with their "muhh, myth no worky when button press"

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justinh:

a new class of idiot. god love em. can't wait to see what happens when some file sharing site hosts the windows frontend binaries. oh boy

[13:27:51]

justinh:

apologies to those with faith in human nature...

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Dagmar:

justinh: The magic bit tho is that HID devices are actually standardized

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Dagmar:

So we would likely be looking at a sizeable code table for all possible buttons, and a little table of what buttons should behave the same and that's about it

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riddlebox:

I have a couple lines of static at the top of my screen on one tuner it is a pinnacle 800i, is there any way I can get rid of that?

[13:49:28]

Dagmar:

Adjust your overscan so it doesn't show on the screen

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Dagmar:

That's closed-captioning data

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Dagmar:

You're not actually supposed to see that part of it normally

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Dagmar:

There' a lot of crap that goes on in the first few scan lines

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riddlebox:

Dagmar, will it do it for just one tuner, because my other tuner doesnt show that

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justinh:

riddlebox: of an active video signal, about 20 lines are determined to be unseen so they do what they like with them

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justinh:

overscan

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Dagmar:

riddlebox: More likely you could stand to just adjust the overscan for the display

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Dagmar:

You won't miss anything important

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Dagmar:

There's http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Overscan

[14:07:53]

Dagmar:

...and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Theme_de . . . scan_and_You

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justinh:

if you're using a monitor, then set mythtv's playback settings to overscan a little

[14:08:14]

Dagmar:

There's some images in that second one you can feed to MythVideo to use while you dork around with nvidia-settings -l

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Dagmar:

This page, http://scanline.ca/overscan/ , linked from the theme page has some pretty good examples of what's going on

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MilhousePunkRock:

woohoo! irw responds to my mce remote, finally

[14:12:13]

justinh:

finally? whaddya mean? it's not been 24 hours of continuous toil. oh your RTFM

[14:13:03]

Dagmar:

Might be a bit late to point this out but http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC explains _in detail_ what's going on with LIRC

[14:13:06]

MilhousePunkRock:

justinh: Due to various FMs to choose from, it was a bit trial and horror...

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Dagmar:

It's much easier to debug problems when you understand what's going on

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MilhousePunkRock:

justinh: Like I mentioned before, I got the remote just today and migrated my mythbox from the nova t 500's remote to the mce remote, using the receiver inside the vfd of my antec fusion

[14:14:48]

justinh:

always helps when there's a micro in the receiver which can flick the motherboard power button signal

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Dagmar:

MilhousePunkRock: What driver are you using for the VFD?

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Dagmar:

That's the one damn thing they don't mention on the websites that sell cases with those things built in

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justinh:

Dagmar: you don't need to know that cos they all come with driver CDs!

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justinh:

:D

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: The VFD is another case, it works so-so (usually a while when the machine is booted, then fails at some point)

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Dagmar:

*glare*

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: There was a thread on the mailing list lately dealing with my (almost) exact combination, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/310713

[14:18:55]

MilhousePunkRock:

The solution was in there, using the imon_pad for lirc and overwriting the config files with those working for the mce remote

[14:19:03]

Dagmar:

Is it a USB connected device?\

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MilhousePunkRock:

yes

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Dagmar:

Ahhh

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Dagmar:

okay

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Dagmar:

I'll probably buy one next month once my "play money" respawns

[14:19:26]

MilhousePunkRock:

VFD/IR receiver combination

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Dagmar:

I don't need the reciever, but I'd like a cheaper option than just hooking up a 7" PSOne screen to the second VGA output

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Kazan:

apparently.. we violate several patents in the US....

[14:20:26]

Kazan:

http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=43962 . . . cid=22272264

[14:20:26]

MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: Getting them seperately is a huge punch on the budget... Therefore I got the Antec Fusion, HTPC case, silent PSU and VFD/IR receiver/Volume knob

[14:20:28]

Kazan:

riiiiiiiiight

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Dagmar:

MilhousePunkRock: That depends entirely on where you shop

[14:21:27]

netgear:

why does one need to install mythbuntu control center only to have a frontend on another machine?

[14:21:35]

MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: I had one of those imon things (only vfd and remote) on my watchlist on ebay, got sold for about 80 â‚¬. The case was 130 â‚¬ alltogether

[14:21:39]

Dagmar:

netgear: Ask in #mythbuntu

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Dagmar:

MilhousePunkRock: I scrounge places that are doing clearance stuff

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MilhousePunkRock:

netgear: It probably gets drawn in by the metapackage, I'm sure you can uninstall it later safely... Besides that, MCC is what Mythbuntu uses to ease the configuration

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Dagmar:

Considering that the PSOne screen usually costs $50 and I'd have to actually _make_ a lot of stuff to put it in the box, something from Matrix Orbital would even be cheaper (but probably not look as good as a 7" LCD display)

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netgear:

MilhousePunkRock: i have a headless machine installed with backend and frontend, now i want to add a front end on another machine, i have installed frontend and read all tfm and still nothing is working, any idea

[14:25:13]

MilhousePunkRock:

I was looking at different cases first, but most of them come without PSUs, so the Fusion was the only option for my small budget...

[14:25:26]

MilhousePunkRock:

netgear: A headless frontend? Now that is a great idea...

[14:25:53]

MilhousePunkRock:

netgear: And still, it's mythbuntu specific...

[14:25:55]

netgear:

i installed a frontend on headless as to not mess up my own pc

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netgear:

ok this shit is just wrong

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justinh:

headless frontend? wtf?!

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MilhousePunkRock:

netgear: On a headless machine, what exactly to you plan to with the frontend?

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netgear:

i used to test it via vnc

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netgear:

as not to mess up my own machine

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Dagmar:

VNC to a linux machine

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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MilhousePunkRock:

netgear: there is always "sudo apt-get remove --purge"

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: I do that too, to my frontend... It's not headless, of course, but mouse and keyboard-less

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Dagmar:

Mouse and keyboard you don't really need on a frontend

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MilhousePunkRock:

netgear: You could try to give a better description of what exactly is "just wrong"

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Dagmar:

A *display* howeverm is *not* an optional component

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netgear:

i run mythtv frontend from menu

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netgear:

then i get asked to give a hostname or ip and username and password for database and database name

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: Well, if the remote is not working in mythwelcome and idle time is set to 90 seconds, I need to vlc in to launch the frontend...

[14:29:15]

netgear:

i do all that shit, then the window closes and nothing more happends

[14:29:38]

MilhousePunkRock:

netgear: run mythtv-frontend from a shell, this way you will see why it terminates

[14:29:52]

Dagmar:

MilhousePunkRock: no, you don't.

[14:30:36]

Dagmar:

Pretty much all you need to do is ssh into the machine, make sure mythfrontend or mythwelcome is in the ~/.xinitrc, and do startx

[14:30:42]

Dagmar:

You can even do it under screen

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: I prefer ssh too, but there are some quirks here with mythfrontend/mythwelcome... Automatically launching mythfrontend instead of mythwelcome when not started scheduled for a recording, for instance, does not work

[14:32:01]

netgear:

i get qsqlquery database not open no error type from qslerror strange, when running it from commandline

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MilhousePunkRock:

netgear: Did you supply the right IP for the backend?

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Dagmar:

MilhousePunkRock: Well, that's what happens when you _try to start the frontend without a backend running_

[14:32:35]

MilhousePunkRock:

maybe it's still set to 127.0.0.1

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netgear:

the backends ip is 192.168.0.3 i tried that

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Dagmar:

netgear: You did not install the qt3-mysql package

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: Combined BE/FE here...

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Dagmar:

Does. Not. Matter.

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netgear:

i dont know i installed frontent with synaptic

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Dagmar:

THe frontend will not run without carping if the backend isn't running,.

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netgear:

let me check that package

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Dagmar:

netgear: That's pretty much the only thing that makes it say "No error type from QSqlError? Strange..."

[14:34:08]

MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: Well, it will tell me that the backend is not running, I had that issue lately, but when mythwelcome tells me what's scheduled next and the backend's current state, it's a safe bet that the BE is actually running

[14:34:27]

Dagmar:

Running under VNC will do all of nothing about that

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netgear:

it is installed libqt3-mt-mysql

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netgear:

is that the correct one?

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Dagmar:

Should/could be

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: The issue is only that sometimes the remote is not working in mythwelcome, it will work like it should in the FE though, once I manage to start it without being able to press "Launch Frontend" in Mythwelcome

[14:35:40]

Dagmar:

`find /usr -type f -name libqsqlmysql.so` will tell you after a bit

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netgear:

i need to smoke brb

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Dagmar:

No, the mkfontdir package pretty much has mkfontdir and that setup script in it

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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netgear:

i get a error after running mythfrontend failed to init mythcontext,exiting

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netgear:

query was select NULL

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netgear:

whatever that is to mean

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Dagmar:

netgear: Let's try this again

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Dagmar:

Put on your listening ears.

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Dagmar:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV#Other

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Dagmar:

Look at the fifth bullet poiont

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Dagmar:

Right ther ein the code box

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netgear:

ok its loading

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Dagmar:

Query was: SELECT NULL; blah blah blah

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netgear:

ok thanks, ubuntu documentation did not have this

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: Next netgear needs to figure out how to emerge something on a ubuntu system ;)

[14:47:58]

Dagmar:

He doesn't need to emerge naything

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MilhousePunkRock:

And where to put the USE flags ;)

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Dagmar:

That find invocation I posted will turn up rather quickly if the right thing is installed.

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Dagmar:

I'm wagering it's not

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MilhousePunkRock:

Hmm, where are all the remote control configurations for myth again? /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc and /home/mythtv/.lircrc and still somewhere else?

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[nrx]:

ahhh, remote's. the bain of my life.

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mike3_:

MilhousePunkRock, /etc/

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mike3_:

/etc/lircd

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justinh:

/etc/lirc

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netgear:

Dagmar: you posted on find /usr -type -f -name lib... for me?

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justinh:

e.g. /etc/lirc/lircd.conf and /etc/lirc/hardware.conf :)

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Dagmar:

Yes

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netgear:

ok i did that and got permission denied

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Dagmar:

From find /usr you got permission denied?

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netgear:

no that whole line

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netgear:

`find /usr -type f -name libqsqlmysql.so`

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Dagmar:

OH. I typoed or you did

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Dagmar:

Ther'es no dash before the f

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netgear:

ok

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Dagmar:

The -type f thing is a bit of fluff htat makes it go faster. You can actually just leave that bit out

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riddlebox:

man mythtv has everything, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Integrat . . . rticle_is...

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Dagmar:

It's not like it's going to ever turn up a directory or block device named that by mistake

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netgear:

i found it

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MilhousePunkRock:

justinh: Technically those are for lirc though, not directly for myth, right?

[14:53:20]

netgear:

i have now removed frontend from headless machine

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netgear:

so now i have a backend on the headless machine

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netgear:

and im wanting to have a frontend on my notebook

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netgear:

just to make clear what it is im trying to do

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justinh:

MilhousePunkRock: technically yes

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MilhousePunkRock:

justinh: Those for myth (that map the remote keycode to the desired keyboard shortcut) are the ones I mentioned before, right?

[14:56:14]

justinh:

ones? only one you need for mythfrontend & that'd be ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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MilhousePunkRock:

justinh: Hmm, for my Hauppauge remote that one needed to be linked to ~/.lircrc for some reason

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MilhousePunkRock:

At least that's what the wiki said

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Dagmar:

Well, it deosn't _need_ the symlink, but it *does* bitch at you a little if you don't make it

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: Copying the file will do the same unless I start altering one of them and not the other, right?

[14:57:58]

Dagmar:

Yes, which is why you make a symlink.

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darkfrog:

Hey guys, though it was previously working, I can no longer change channels using my firewire connection. When I try to execute "6200ch 50" I get: Couldn't get 1394 handle: Permission denied

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Dagmar:

It's FAR preferable to having two copies of ANY file you might have to edit.

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darkfrog:

Not sure how to resolve this...

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: OK, let do it right once and for all. Which one is supposed to be the original and which the link?

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Dagmar:

Doesn't really matter, although for the sake of simplicity, probably ~/.lircrc should be the "real" one

[14:59:26]

justinh:

technically the ~/.lircrc file is only needed for other apps which can use lirc

[14:59:36]

justinh:

those being mplayer, xine etc

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Dagmar:

On the whole, it's generally simpler if the one with the shorter absolute path be the "real" file

[14:59:49]

darkfrog:

I can run the command as root, but that does me no good from mythtv. :o

[15:00:09]

[nrx]:

sorry for the newbie question, is there a howto or some clear instructions on starting to get your haupagge remote working to it's full extent?

[15:00:41]

justinh:

[nrx]: meaning?

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netgear:

you guys will find it very funny to hear what my problem was

[15:01:09]

justinh:

[nrx]: I mean – do you have some buttons working & you'd like more to do stuff?

[15:01:14]

netgear:

i only needed to reboot the mysql server

[15:01:33]

[nrx]:

justinh, yes. The number keys work, as to up/down/left/right

[15:01:52]

MilhousePunkRock:

[nrx]: What remote are you referring to? MCE USB?

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justinh:

[nrx]: quite simple when you know how :) First verify all the remote buttons work by running irw

[15:01:59]

[nrx]:

justinh, I'd like to get the rest working.. like channel up/down back/exit key, 'i' key.

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MilhousePunkRock:

[nrx]: arrow and number keys will work without much effort, even if your config is not right

[15:03:12]

[nrx]:

yeah they do

[15:03:37]

[nrx]:

it's the rest I want to get working. For instance, when I'm in MythTV, I have to use the 'esc' key on the keyboard to get out of some menus etc. I'd rather use the 'back/exit' button on the remote

[15:03:50]

MilhousePunkRock:

[nrx]: Which remote is it?

[15:03:51]

[nrx]:

I'm building PVR/Media Centre so don't want a keyboard and mouse running on it

[15:04:07]

[nrx]:

i'm not sure on the exact model, but it came with my Haupagge Nova-T DVB-T card

[15:04:35]

MilhousePunkRock:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_500_PCI This worked for the remote of my Nova T 500

[15:05:34]

[nrx]:

did it give you all keys? :)

[15:06:26]

[nrx]:

or buttons

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[nrx]:

i've just checked my lircd.conf, and it's exactly the same as that :/

[15:09:26]

MilhousePunkRock:

[nrx]: The key is probably the ~/.lircrc

[15:10:29]

[nrx]:

my /etc/lirc/hardware.conf is different to that in the wiki page

[15:11:01]

[nrx]:

it has device="/dev/input/event4" while mine has device=""

[15:13:09]

[nrx]:

not seeing anything coming up with irw either :/

[15:13:40]

MilhousePunkRock:

[nrx]: Check the dmesg output what event the remote has, and change the hardware.conf accordingly

[15:14:57]

MilhousePunkRock:

Update to Dagmar, justinh and anyone else who cares: The MCE remote is now working!!! (Somewhat, at least, if I hold the volume key it'll start changing channels though)

[15:14:59]

[nrx]:

how do i know what event it has?

[15:15:07]

justinh:

doo de doo de doo...

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MilhousePunkRock:

[nrx]: It's in the dmesg output

[15:15:30]

** justinh hacks away at main.cpp some more **

[15:16:03]

[nrx]:

yep, but would what it be under.. and what's the 'event'?

[15:16:17]

MilhousePunkRock:

For some reason, the VFD seems to work nicely now also... As I already suspected in last weeks call for help on the mailing list (that got ignored)

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[nrx]:

[ 26.188575] input: cx88 IR (Hauppauge Nova-T DVB-T as /class/input/input2

[15:17:26]

[nrx]:

?

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justinh:

edit, make, edit, make, edit, make, edit, make...

[15:18:11]

MilhousePunkRock:

[nrx]: Yes: event2

[15:18:14]

MilhousePunkRock:

most likely

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[nrx]:

thanks

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justinh:

main.cpp:(.text+0x81bc): undefined reference to `MythAppearance::MythAppearance(MythScreenStack*, char const*)' .. bah!

[15:19:08]

Dagmar:

eeek a bug! Stomp it!

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** [nrx] sighs **

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[nrx]:

still no joy

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MilhousePunkRock:

o.O --> http://pastebin.ca/888937

[15:22:16]

justinh:

Dagmar: I'm still useless at .h files

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justinh:

I can stare at them all day & still not work out what's up with them

[15:22:51]

Dagmar:

ALl they are is tokens and settings

[15:23:19]

justinh:

yeah. this undefined reference is because the header file/files is/are borked

[15:24:07]

Dagmar:

Intersting

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Dagmar:

Usually it's because something wasn't compiled with all the same objects it was supposed to have been

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justinh:

no I'm trying to shoehorn a plugin as a builtin

[15:24:36]

Dagmar:

Ah I see now

[15:24:40]

Dagmar:

Yeah, someone broke a header

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justinh:

question is, where does the compiler look for the included files? from the path of where the header is?

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[nrx]:

MilhousePunkRock: I still can't get any input showing with irw :(

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justinh:

Dagmar: I realise it's major c++ 101 stuff but I just plow on in

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MilhousePunkRock:

[nrx]: You did restart lirc in the meantime, did you?

[15:29:15]

[nrx]:

i just restarted it (instead of just hitting 'start' :x) and now irw says connection refused

[15:29:16]

MilhousePunkRock:

Now I need to adjust the config to match the way it was on the Hauppauge remote...

[15:30:14]

justinh:

doh! the void I'm trying to call the thing from isn't... er.. I should really just call a void which does it instead, maybe

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[nrx]:

yay

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[nrx]:

it's working :)

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justinh:

.. unless that is I can extend the definition of the original void to inherit what I need

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[nrx]:

thank you muchly, MilhousePunkRock :)

[15:32:04]

justinh:

Dagmar: this would mostly be called trying to fly to the moon before you can even walk :)

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justinh:

time for a cuppa

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MilhousePunkRock:

Kinda weird how fast you get used to something and don't want to miss it... The lircrc for the MCE remote I grabbed from the wiki is set up somewhat differently then what I had on my Hauppauge remote, to which I already got accustomed...

[15:41:09]

Dagmar:

This is why you make backups of every file you touch after an install

[15:41:25]

Dagmar:

It saves a crapload of time for subsequent installs or the unfortunate case of a wipe and reinstall

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dagmar: I really started doing that with the HTPC... So now there is a lircrc.hauppauge which I can use as a template to adjust the new lircrc

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MilhousePunkRock:

Even more weird that there is a sitcom with Freddie Prince Jr. ;) That's probably the reason why I never watch TV on saturday afternoon...

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imperfect-:

Howdy.

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imperfect-:

For whatever mythtfrontend has randomly decided to stop working

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imperfect-:

GIves me: mythfrontend: Fatal IO error: client killed

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justinh:

what?! main.cpp is calling stuff I can't find any reference to outside the file

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justinh:

programs/mythfrontend/main.cpp: startPlayback(); but where is startPlayback() ?

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jams:

line 222

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justinh:

oops. my grep-fu is waning

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justinh:

this isn't rocket science. I keep forgetting that jams ;)

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justinh:

developing for mythtv when you're no good at c++ isn't the easiest thing in the world. I hope the gears all start slotting into place soon

[16:03:33]

justinh:

thing is – I dunno just how useful the stuff like hellomyth in the wiki really is for new coders – I mean I managed to cobbled mythappearance together knowing hardly anything

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justinh:

it works, sure.. but tbh I don't understand it all

[16:04:55]

** MilhousePunkRock is needs to deal with real life stuff now, thanks for the help Dagmar and justinh and whoever else helped and I forgot... CU later **

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justinh:

oh smack!

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justinh:

no effing use defining a void outside the main braces. MUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[16:05:54]

dserban_1:

iamlindoro: Are you around? I can't find the link that you gave me the other day to fix mythgallery opening when a DVD is inserted?

[16:06:27]

justinh:

permission to guffaw granted :)

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dserban_1:

hehehe

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dserban_1:

*blush* :o

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imperfect-:

blah!

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imperfect-:

Anyone seen mutex destory errors ?

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imperfect-:

Im just like wtf

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imperfect-:

it worked fine for months

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imperfect-:

and suddenly

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justinh:

imperfect-: you need to shield the case from neutrinos better

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imperfect-:

yeah no shit

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justinh:

they're like blam! right into a memory cell, then things start falling apart :P

[16:09:07]

justinh:

I've got one lodged in my code, which is how I figure it doesn't work. either that or I'm just thick

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imperfect-:

2008-02–02 11:05:51.022 The theme (oldosd) is missing a themeinfo.xml file

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imperfect-:

2008-02–02 11:05:51.088 The theme (oldosd) is missing a themeinfo.xml file

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imperfect-:

2008-02–02 11:05:51.308 Switching to square mode (Iulius)

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imperfect-:

mythfrontend: Fatal IO error: client killed

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Dagmar:

That's those cut-rate recycled electrons you're using

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imperfect-:

Is my theme somehow fubar?

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Dagmar:

imperfect-: That's pretty much what it's telling you.

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imperfect-:

wtf

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imperfect-:

I just finished reinstalling from SVN

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Dagmar:

cept the oldosd theme you have selected is broken

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imperfect-:

wha tim saying is

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imperfect-:

I haven't even changed it........

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imperfect-:

would that cause the front end to die?

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Dagmar:

myke54142; That looks like rattle on the far right way in the back

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imperfect-:

Any idea how I change my theme?

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imperfect-:

so it will load the front end?

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iamlindoro_:

mythfrontend -O Theme=themename

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Dagmar:

awesome

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imperfect-:

yep

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imperfect-:

Fixed one problem

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imperfect-:

still the frontend just dies

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imperfect-:

2008-02–02 11:14:09.147 Switching to square mode (Iulius)

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imperfect-:

mythfrontend: Fatal IO error: client killed

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imperfect-:

Yep

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imperfect-:

This is all fucked

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imperfect-:

2008-02–02 11:17:27.622 Switching to square mode (MythCenter)

[16:20:41]

imperfect-:

mythfrontend: Fatal IO error: client killed

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imperfect-:

Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy

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imperfect-:

Chenged a new theme.. no issues still getting Fatal IO error

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** imperfect- throws hands up **

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imperfect-:

Anyone know when this place gets busier?

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Dagmar:

When people wait longer than four seconds for an answer. :)

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[nrx]:

hi folks. I managed to see input from the remote control with irw earlier... I've been working through the doc on the wiki, and now i see nothing at all from irw

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[nrx]:

can anyone help please?

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[nrx]:

is there a way to see what codes are given when a key is pressed? THe sample lircd.conf from the wiki doesn't seem to work with 'OK' and 'i', amongst others

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[nrx]:

gaahh

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doobeh:

Seem to have got all this Myth stuff working, my final

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doobeh:

task is to get streaming working, over (wired) network

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doobeh:

if I click on a link in the web interface for a recording, it downloads it

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doobeh:

anyway to get it streaming easily?

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sebrock:

Anyone knows why my transcoder cant init encoder.c?

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sebrock:

it doesnt give more information, I want to convert mpeg2 to xvid (mpeg4)

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Dagmar:

Ask the people who compiled it why it doesn't work.

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sebrock:

yeah I should because its missing I think

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** justinh resumes the hack make hack make hack cyle **

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justinh:

*cycle

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jams:

bah the usb hubs on my monitor are not powered

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jams:

thats just being cheap

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[nrx]:

ach, ah just dinnae get it!

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MilhousePunkRock:

Hello everyone again!

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MilhousePunkRock:

Are there any predefined jump points set up already by default?

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[nrx]:

wb MilhousePunkRock

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MilhousePunkRock:

[nrx]: Any progress on the remote?

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[nrx]:

yeah, getting somewhere. managed to get another lircd.conf with most keys working, but now the OK key doesn't work :(

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[nrx]:

the codes in lircd.conf, but it jsut doesn't work. If i stop lirc then the okay/volume keys work fine

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[nrx]:

but the rest don't

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[nrx]:

any idea how i can get the right code for it?

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MilhousePunkRock:

[nrx]: Does irw still recognise it?

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[nrx]:

not the OK button, no

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[nrx]:

basically, i need the OK and back/exit button's to work

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[nrx]:

then i'm relatively sorted

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MilhousePunkRock:

hmm... what hauppauge card is it? nova-t IIRC?

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[nrx]:

Pictures/Music buttons don't work either

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[nrx]:

yes

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MilhousePunkRock:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_PCI You did read this a few times, did you?

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MilhousePunkRock:

[nrx]: Pictures and such are jump points, I think they have to be set up seperately

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[nrx]:

hm, it's looking a bit passed my abilities i think

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[nrx]:

not sure how to translate what he's saying into configuring lirc or mythtv

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[nrx]:

the thing is, if i don't run lirc with the lircd.conf i have, then the volume/arrow/OK buttons work fine

[18:53:02]

[nrx]:

when i use my lircd.conf, the OK button doesn't work

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[nrx]:

i'd ideally like to get the back/exit button working too so that I can come out of TV and switch to something else without having to use ESC on the keyboard

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[nrx]:

so i basically need to map OK to Enter and BACK to Esc

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weazahl:

i just installed fc8 and put myth back on it, restoring my database and all 3 frontends worked like they should, started the masterbackend and it recorded immediatly. everything worked great. except on the master, which is a amd x2 2.0G with nvidia 6000 series, proprietary drivers. and video drops frames like mad, cant change aspect ratio, the osd changes, but not video. why?

[18:54:16]

[nrx]:

irw doesn't even show these two keys being pressed

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weazahl:

gl is working

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justinh:

[nrx]: if irw doesn't show em you'll never get em to work with a lircrc & mythfrontend

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[nrx]:

how come then they work okay without lirc? surely i must be able to capture the code somehow and then put that in lircd.conf? no?

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MilhousePunkRock:

[nrx]: irrecord, maybe

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weazahl:

i was just thinking, i got my old xorg.conf

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[nrx]:

i'd been trying to mess around with that before, but i wasn't getting anywhere fast with it :/

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[nrx]:

when i start/stop lircd and use irrecord, should I be doing it as my own user, or sudo'd?

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justinh:

[nrx]: there are remote config files for lircd.conf over at www.lirc.org/remotes – a better one for yours might be there already

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[nrx]:

justinh, i've used the one for the nova-t 500

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weazahl:

nope, still poor video and no zoom.

[19:06:25]

[nrx]:

and all buttons work apart from these 2.. which are arguably 2 of the most important lol

[19:06:31]

[nrx]:

irrecord: initializing '/dev/input/event4'

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[nrx]:

irrecord: WARNING: can't get exclusive access to events comming from `/dev/input/event4' interface

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michaelo:

I finally got my remote working with lirc this morning, took forever to find a working combination of config files

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[nrx]:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/hauppauge . . . ppauge.irman

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[nrx]:

is that one config.. or two?

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sphery:

BTW, justinh, now that I think about the code you're working on, my symbol-visibility suggestion was completely off-base--you're not writing library code... Sorry for the noise.

[19:10:03]

sphery:

Glad you got it, though.

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justinh:

sphery: np. I appreciate all the help even when it's wrong :)

[19:10:35]

** Kazan looks around for janneg **

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justinh:

it compiles now, but isn't doing what it should. ahh the joys of hacking

[19:11:41]

sphery:

Well, in case you do some work on libs in the future, you can file that away... :)

[19:11:52]

sphery:

you said you had a backtrace?

[19:12:05]

sphery:

(still segfaulting?)

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[nrx]:

no-one?

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justinh:

no I don't yet. this is weird though. I put a "hello!" VERBOSE into the void which loads mythappearance.. right at the very start & it isn't coming out

[19:13:29]

sphery:

Oh. That I couldn't help with... I haven't done any UI-related code, so I don't know how the interactions are supposed to work.

[19:13:43]

justinh:

wait wait. debug says it's loading appear-ui.xml then it segfaults

[19:13:48]

justinh:

prolly something simpletastic

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sphery:

good luck, though... That's what keeps hacking interesting--there's always something new to learn

[19:13:54]

sphery:

cool

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justinh:

still, that VERBOSE should be appearing in the terminal. wonder wtf is up with that

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MilhousePunkRock:

hmm, about those jump points... I probably set them in the lircrc first and then just press the button when entering the jump points, right?

[19:16:02]

justinh:

myers :)

[19:16:23]

justinh:

right. it's backtrace time!

[19:17:50]

sphery:

MilhousePunkRock: Yep. I set jumppoints to F2 – F6 and have LIRC send F2 – F6 for the buttons I'm using for them.

[19:18:45]

justinh:

maybe I just needed to make distclean first

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justinh:

some qt stuff changed.. so maybe

[19:19:19]

MilhousePunkRock:

sphery: Well, the jump points in the config I have are Alt-anykey, sort of, but I guess lirc will just send that anyway, so it's easier than entering that (probably not even possible without a keyboard)

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mindframe_:

is there any way to speed up the loading of videos over NFS when i click '

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mindframe_:

is there any way to speed up the loading of videos over NFS when i click 'watch videos' ? I have a lot and it takes like two minutes to load.

[19:20:17]

weazahl:

is nfs bett for myth than samba?

[19:20:18]

justinh:

mindframe_: heard it said here from people who have thousands of videos that it takes no time at all for theirs to load

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justinh:

weazahl: NFS >>>>> samba

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MilhousePunkRock:

samba is evil, NFS FTW

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weazahl:

that is what i was thinking

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sphery:

[nrx]: There are 2 remote definitions from that config. It would work fine if you have different names for them. (I have 5 definitions in mine--one for receiving and 4 for transmitting.) Though, it looks like you'd only need one remote definition.

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MilhousePunkRock:

I would not touch samba with a ten foot pole

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weazahl:

so you are saying my Gbit will be even better :D

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[nrx]:

but neither of them seem to have all the keys?

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MilhousePunkRock:

i think it's only a last resort when you HAVE to share something with the evil OS

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weazahl:

so why is my video not working with my nvidia card all of a sudden

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[nrx]:

i've never been so frustrated in my life lol

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[nrx]:

2 days i've been at this!

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justinh:

[nrx]: try coding when you don't know zippo!

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sphery:

weazahl: If it's a filesystem problem, it's probably due to having one directory with thousands of files inside. You're much better off breaking it into many dirs.

[19:22:31]

** justinh has never been to c++ 101 **

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[nrx]:

even tried to map the TV button to 'W' command too.. and that's not working. Yet the TV button is recognised in iwr and is included the lircd.conf and is in the lircrc

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justinh:

and is not proud

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sphery:

[nrx]: Yep. Configuring LIRC is a challenge. Too many remotes with their own proprietary codes...

[19:23:04]

weazahl:

nope, my directories are fine, i have a frame dropping and no zoom in video problem

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[nrx]:

sphery, problem is i have all the keys working.. apart from 2 of them. Ok and Back/Exit

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weazahl:

its explained above

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justinh:

the boss had better approve of this when it all works. I'll be muchly disappointed if not

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sphery:

[nrx]: You could just use irrecord to record those 2 and stick them into the config (before the end codes).

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[nrx]:

sphery, been trying that too but i can't get irrecord to 'see' anything

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sphery:

Sorry weazahl, I meant that comment for mindframe_ .

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sphery:

mindframe_: If it's a filesystem problem, it's probably due to having one directory with thousands of files inside. You're much better off breaking it into many dirs.

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weazahl:

kind of figured

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** sphery can't multi-converse **

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justinh:

ffs. dog's dancing. time for wee-wees

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sphery:

mindframe_: and many levels of dirs--i.e. one dir with thousands of dirs is as bad as one with thousands of files

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sphery:

[nrx]: Sorry... Missed the comment. I guess irrecord isn't guaranteed to work for some remotes. For those, your only hope is to scour the 'net for other definitions you can merge or get Pronto, etc. codes and convert them (which is a huge hassle)

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[nrx]:

nono

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[nrx]:

the problem is i can't get irrecord to work properly.. because it says it can't get an exclusive lock on /dev/input/event4

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[nrx]:

o something to that effect anyway

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sphery:

I don't remember if you're supposed to run irrecord without lircd running... Did you try with and without it running?

[19:35:42]

sphery:

I did my remote configs years ago.

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[nrx]:

what kind of remote?

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sphery:

ATI Remote Wonder

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[nrx]:

i wonder if i'd be better off truing to use an All-in-One remote instead of this hauppauge one

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[nrx]:

wotcha think?

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sphery:

The Remote Wonder has good sides and bad sides.

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sphery:

The good side is that I can control my system (read, my music) from anywhere in the house.

[19:38:57]

sphery:

The bad side is that the more people I have in the viewing room, the more likely it is to "miss" a button press (RF signal is weak/reflections and interference can make using it challenging)

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[nrx]:

i see

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sphery:

I had to get a USB extension cable to get the receiver far enough away from the computer and worked for months to find the "right" place to put it.

[19:40:05]

sphery:

IR is probably more reliable, but requires line of sight.

[19:40:22]

sphery:

So, there are tradeoffs.

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weazahl:

Load "extmod" duh!

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sphery:

But, irrecord works fine with it--even with the input driver.

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sphery:

Have you tried the Hauppauge config from Jarod Wilson's site?

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[nrx]:

can you link me up?

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sphery:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/

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sphery:

Don't know the specific location.

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sphery:

He has versions for several remotes.

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sphery:

(several Hauppauge remote models)

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sphery:

He also tends to recommend going to, i.e. Radio Shack, to get a "Universal" RC-5 remote.

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sphery:

has many more buttons and works fine with the hauppauge receiver.

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tanner:

i miss RF remotes :(

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sphery:

[nrx]: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/remotes.php

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[nrx]:

thanks

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sphery:

Part of the reason I'm using the RW is because of the 2 remotes I had (Hauppauge and RW), the RW has more keys.

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[nrx]:

that's based on one remote.. not lots though

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sphery:

There's more Hauppauge specific stuff in there, too.

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sphery:

Probably in the main HOWTO

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[nrx]:

i can't believe that no-one else has had this problem.. or uses this same remote

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[nrx]:

i've seen the exact remote on other pages.. where i got this lircc.conf from

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[nrx]:

but these two buttons just don't work!

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sphery:

I'm sure many do. It's just a bit of a pain to get "the right" remote config into the LIRC site--they never remove the "wrong" ones.

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[nrx]:

it's the silver/black surfboard one

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[nrx]:

42 buttons

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[nrx]:

46, sorry

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sphery:

One of the guys on the Myth lists reverse-engineered the actual protocol used by DISH network receivers (all other DISH configs were raw codes). I packaged up a complete lircd.conf (with all 16 code sets) and sent it to LIRC>

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sphery:

It took them months to get it onto the site and all the bad ones are still there (and tend to get used by most people because they "look" simpler).

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foo8ar:

hi all, how would I add a existing recording to the database?

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Dagmar:

With an sql statement

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Dagmar:

What Sphery said a moment ago about getting a One4All remote is _very seriously a good idea_

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foo8ar:

Hi Dagmar, I understand that. What tables need to be updated?

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Dagmar:

If you don't have a remote all nice and picked out already, you can get some really feature-replete "PVR remotes" under that name which are _programmable_ so you can EASILY pick pretty much any matching config file you like, program the buttons any _way_ you like, etc etc

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Dagmar:

foo8ar: For what?

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foo8ar:

adding a specific recording to the inventory

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Dagmar:

Dude, I'm not about to sit here and construct an SQL statement for you.

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Dagmar:

That's nuts.

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Dagmar:

Just toss the recording where the MythVideo plugin can see it

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foo8ar:

having a bad day?

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Dagmar:

No, SQL is not simple or straightforward to write and I've have to go look up the bloody names of the tables and records, so no.

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foo8ar:

you could tell me that you don't know

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Dagmar:

That's not technical help, that's "will you do this onerous task for me"

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foo8ar:

why that tone?

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Dagmar:

Don't EVEN start that "you don't really know it and prove that you do" crap with me

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foo8ar:

"Welcome to the official user-to-user flame war"

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Dagmar:

A *massive* reason being that it's too much trouble to even bother. MythVideo is a heck of a lot simpler place to stick the thing so you can still get at it

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Dagmar:

Do your own crapwork

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foo8ar:

if you don't want to tell my why even bother to answer?

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Dagmar:

Because you asked the first question, which was reasonable.

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foo8ar:

ok, we have a judge here

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foo8ar:

sorry

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flohack:

Has someone a em28xx usb card running with mythtv? My pinnacle pctv hybrid runs fine with xine and mplayer, but fails to get a lock with mythtv.

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foo8ar:

are there any other users out there with knowledge of the db schema that could share some helpful hints?

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Dagmar:

Dude, SQL is a whole language, and generally the books to teach it are an inch thick.

[20:01:30]

Dagmar:

In a few hours you could probably pick up enough of it to do it by Googling

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tanner:

SQL is easy enough to be picked up in a couple hours

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Dagmar:

...but you seriously don't know what you're asking of someone

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foo8ar:

please Dagmar i have the db skills

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Dagmar:

tanner: yeah the syntax is easy enough

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tanner:

Dagmar: yeah;

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foo8ar:

the question was not can you teach me SQL

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Dagmar:

foo8ar: Then, and this will sound mean I'm sure, but just use mysql's db dumper to chuck the whole db into a file and it should be pretty obvious from there.

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Dagmar:

Look for the filename for a given file that you know the filename of (i.e., 1057_2008010201334.mpg) and you should be able to dig the rest out if you actually do know SQL

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foo8ar:

i fully understand if Dagmar soesn't want to bother but perhaps there are others here that could help me with table names and perhaps needed relations

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[nrx]:

w00t

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[nrx]:

think i've got it

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foo8ar:

why the neggie tone?

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lotia:

hello all, can anyone point me to a document that describes how to backup the current program, recorded program and recording rules database?

[20:05:38]

flohack:

What could be the reason why mythtv doesn't get a lock, which xine does? How could I debug the issue?

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lotia:

i want to migrate machines and change configuration stuff, but don't want to lose the recording rules, the recorded programs and the previously recorded program info.

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Dagmar:

lotia: That's actually pretty easy... `mysqldump mythconverg1

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Dagmar:

erk. mysqldump mythconverg no l on the end

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Dagmar:

Just > that into a file

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lotia:

Dagmar: but there is other info, like channel linueps, and backend/frontend settings. i don't want any of that information.

[20:08:19]

Dagmar:

Actually, that's going to get the configs, too. Hmm

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Dagmar:

lotia: Well, this is kind of "ugly" to do, but if the db is in /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg, each table is a set of three files

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Dagmar:

You can copy out the tables you want

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Dagmar:

The names are _reasonably_ obvious as to what they hold

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Dagmar:

Just um, don't do it while the mysqld is _running_

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lotia:

Dagmar: could also simply dump the tables with those names.

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lotia:

Thanks

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Dagmar:

The manpage for mysqldump tells enough to have it dump the individual tables as SQL statements in a file, but you shouldn't have to go to that length

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flohack:

Has anyone ever got a card using the em2880_dvb driver to work with mythtv?

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flohack:

No one?

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Dagmar:

Suggestion: For the more esoteric hardware out there, you can ask 20 people in here, or a few million collectively with google.

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Dagmar:

Example: http://www.google.com/search?q=em2880_dvb+mythtv

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Dagmar:

Going through the very first page of links on a query like that will usually tell you immediately if you're dead in the water or not

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Dagmar:

It *looks* like this guy has your equipment: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HP_Z556_Media_Center

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[nrx]:

i have another question :) – some channels seem to be 'encrypted' – but when i used this exact same card in my windows machine, they were fine. Is there a configuration option ins MythTV somewhere that I'm missing to resolve this?

[20:25:42]

flohack:

Dagmar: Well of course a looked through the search results on google, but none of them were particularly helpful

[20:25:55]

Dagmar:

flohack: Did you look at the one I pasted?

[20:26:12]

Dagmar:

He's definitely got the driver you were talking about loaded.

[20:26:26]

Dagmar:

I can't imagine he would have it hanging around if it weren't, you know, driving a card.

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flohack:

Dagmar: The user on the mythtv wiki has a completely different card...with the driver from about 9 months ago

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Dagmar:

So there's a better than average chance the driver still works

[20:29:35]

Dagmar:

It's when you see the ones from a week ago that you worry

[20:29:44]

Dagmar:

...if that's all you find.

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flohack:

Dagmar: In fact I had the stable branch of the driver (doesn't compile on post 2.6.18) working with mythtv, but the experimental branch doesn't.

[20:31:16]

flohack:

He seems to use the experimental branch, which would suggest that the driver should work with mythtv

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Dagmar:

Do you have ehci_hcd loaded?

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flohack:

yes, the card works just fine with xine, video and audio

[20:33:56]

flohack:

kaffeine and mythtv and dvbscan are able to find the channels, it's just that mythtv doesn't get a lock when running the frontend

[20:35:12]

flohack:

it's mythtv 0.20.2 btw

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Dagmar:

Hmm... I've got nothing on how to do that.

[20:35:45]

flohack:

do what?

[20:35:58]

Dagmar:

All I know about making it find the channels reliably is that I see a lot of people futzing with it and it always seems to be something different to straighten it out each time

[20:36:21]

flohack:

:-(

[20:36:21]

Dagmar:

Someone familiar with dvb tuning in general is around at some point in the day usually tho

[20:37:14]

Dagmar:

There's plenty of stuff relating to the driver in Ubuntu's bug tracker, but it seems most of them are resolved and it looks like it *should* be usable

[20:37:20]

flohack:

hmm...is someone here currently?

[20:37:58]

flohack:

bugs on launchpad...strange, the driver is not shipped with ubuntu...let me have a look

[20:39:12]

Dagmar:

Did you see http://mcentral.de/wiki/index.php5/Em2880_FAQ3 ?

[20:40:14]

flohack:

yes, which entry are you referring to?

[20:40:18]

Dagmar:

It has a section on that driver and MythTV specifically, and links to a few articles

[20:40:22]

Dagmar:

like http://lunapark6.com/usb-hdtv-tuner-stick-for . . . hvr-950.html

[20:40:32]

Dagmar:

Search faq3 for " How do I tune to analog Cable TV with HVR-950 and MythTV?"

[20:41:17]

Der_Thomas:

Hi, I'm running a myth FE with an nvidia card for output using XvMC. When ever I set the deinterlacing to bob, I can see a jumpy picture, like I can see the bob. Anyone around that can help me trouble shoot this problem?

[20:41:22]

flohack:

but that's for analogue tv, not dvb. I would assume that tuning for analogue works quite differently from digital tuning

[20:42:09]

Dagmar:

Yes, the point is you keep _refining_ your search

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flohack:

?

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jduggan_:

does the master backend have to run the database on teh same box?

[20:43:28]

Dagmar:

Nope

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flohack:

you are right, the lunapark6 link talks about dvb too

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Dagmar:

The DB can be anywhere

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jduggan_:

Dagmar: where do you change the location of the DB? – i cant see it in mythtv-setup

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pmc_25:

hi

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Dagmar:

flohack: Yeah, basically we search and find stuff *kinda* like what we're after, adn then pick through to narrow it down, usually you can get anything within three links from Google with a decent search term

[20:44:17]

Dagmar:

That one was three

[20:44:19]

flohack:

Dagmar: But he uses the stable branch

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pmc_25:

does anyone know if Sabrent USB 2.0 Video & Audio Capture DVD MAKER USB-AVCPT will work with myth tv?

[20:44:52]

justinh:

sabrent.. sounds like no worky in linux

[20:44:54]

Dagmar:

Nothing about digital _tuning_ with mythtv here, but http://fremnet.net/article/228/dvico-fusionhd . . . -under-linux is dated last week

[20:44:58]

Dagmar:

He's using 2.6.22

[20:45:18]

justinh:

pmc_25: look in the wiki at linuxtv.org to see if it's supported in linux first.

[20:45:35]

pmc_25:

justinh: thx

[20:46:29]

justinh:

I doubt it is though

[20:46:36]

Dagmar:

flohack: You shouldjn't have to use anything but what these guys are using

[20:46:53]

Dagmar:

Clearly, multiple people have this working with recent kernels

[20:47:59]

flohack:

Dagmar: aparently the linuxtv.org guys have a working em2880 driver as well...I'll have a look at it, thanks!

[20:50:23]

Dagmar:

OKay. Good luck

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flohack:

I'll report back

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justinh:

wheee how much fun is debugging code?

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Dagmar:

It generally depends on how drunk you are.

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KjetilK:

and if the bug is a result of just a brain fart or really broken design

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Dagmar:

I'll take really broken design over brain fart

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** KjetilK the opposite :-) **

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justinh:

KjetilK: probably the latter – it's my own code

[20:53:51]

KjetilK:

hehe

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justinh:

at least it compiles now. that's something

[20:54:49]

KjetilK:

good

[20:55:16]

justinh:

oh it was all working until today – though as a plugin. now I'm shoehorning it into main.cpp in mythfrontend

[20:56:02]

** KjetilK just decided that the transition to digital TV here in Norway is nothing more than a way that cable companies shall make money for stuff we allready pay taxes for. the potential gain of more bandwidth for HDTV is just a smokescreen **

[20:56:24]

Dagmar:

Flatulent brain cells tend to remain flatulent.

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KjetilK:

:-)

[20:56:58]

KjetilK:

well, that part can be solved with alcohol, I guess :-)

[20:57:10]

Dagmar:

So, you can spend an indefinite amount of time making the same mistakes repeatedly, or you can spend (usually) less time taking a crack at making a whole new batch of mistakes you might actually spot quickly.

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justinh:

I hope it's not a bug in the main code. I can't do fixes for that

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KjetilK:

alcohol kills brain cells, just make it selectively target flatulent brain cells :-)

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Dagmar:

They don't die. They're just playing possum.

[20:59:40]

loops:

for the New Title Search list in mythtv... what's new mean? new since when?

[21:00:30]

justinh:

loops: means titles marked as *new* – as in not shown before. not supported by all grabbers

[21:00:37]

loops:

alcohol does kill brain cells.. the weak ones that can stand up to it.. all that remains are the strong cells making your brain stronger... that's why you always feel smarter after a few drinks.

[21:00:59]

loops:

justinh, ah! okay.. thanks

[21:01:08]

loops:

can't stand up to it*

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pmc_25:

does anyone have any suggestions for a PCMCIA express video capture card?

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bsdfox_:

expresscard?

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bsdfox_:

best bet is probably usb

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Dagmar:

Defintely

[21:22:03]

justinh:

wise man once say he who buy usb tuner without looking in linuxtv wiki first is fool

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dserban_1:

iamlindoro: you here?

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[nrx]:

how do i map a key that during live TV playback, i can exit TV and go back to the main mythtv menu?

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dserban_1:

esc?

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[nrx]:

yeah, the equivalent of

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jmusits:

xris: you kicking around?

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justinh:

http://pastebin.ca/889404

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justinh:

oops

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justinh:

Dagmar: got it mostly worky now. just a minor niggle or 2 to iron out now :)

[21:54:02]

justinh:

16 lines of code, in 8 hours. hey not bad going for me, that

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jmusits:

anyone know how the people table is linked to the program table? (DBSchema 1208)

[22:08:36]

justinh:

probably by progamid, without checking by looking it up

[22:09:04]

justinh:

whoah it's not

[22:09:23]

lotia:

in recordedcredits

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lotia:

jmusits: in recordedcredits

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lotia:

jmusits: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recordedcredits_table

[22:10:02]

justinh:

ahh by starttime

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jmusits:

thanks lotia, wierd though instead of programid its by starttime and chanid

[22:10:27]

justinh:

jmusits: hmmmm what are you up to? ;)

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jmusits:

i just upgraded to SVN last night and I am having some issues w/ mythweb

[22:12:20]

jmusits:

stiev3: search does not work, programlisting is blank and clicking on a program for details complains about an undefined method I was just looking at

[22:12:47]

jmusits:

err, that stiev3: was supposed to be ie:

[22:13:00]

jmusits:

BitchX seems to have mucked that up

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KjetilK:

I appreciate why recording everything in LiveTV is smart, but my hard drive does make a lot of noise then...

[22:16:27]

KjetilK:

anything I can do to minimize the writes?

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KjetilK:

I use XFS, BTW

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jmusits:

justinh: you are running svn correct?

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otwin:

KjetilK: it's probably easier to reduce noise of the hdd. hdparm can set accoustic management.

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[nrx]:

anyone know how i view channels that appear to be encrypted?

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** KjetilK does a man hdparm **

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justinh:

jmusits: running svn on my dev box

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moegreen:

iamlindoro, you on?

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jmusits:

justinh: are you also running mythweb by chance?

[22:36:26]

justinh:

jmusits: don't think it's installed right now. only got it up for code work

[22:36:51]

jmusits:

gotcha, I was just wondering if anyone else was having similiar issues as me

[22:37:09]

justinh:

if they were there'd prolly be a ticket for it already

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jmusits:

hmm...I'll take a look through trac

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squish102:

when playing videos, how do i know what the problem is. it goes to a blank screen and then swaps back to mythtv after 10 secs

[22:39:59]

squish102:

where can i look for the error that must be happening

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justinh:

squish102: if you're running 0.20.x the default player is mplayer

[22:40:47]

justinh:

squish102: could be any number of problems, like the file doesn't exist..

[22:40:54]

squish102:

it seems to play the .avi's on local disk, but not the vob's on a samba share

[22:41:13]

squish102:

although i can browse to them

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justinh:

are you sure? or are they just in the database? ;)

[22:42:01]

squish102:

well they in the database, i just did the setup thing and imdb'ed them all

[22:42:16]

squish102:

but have not tried to play them at all

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squish102:

outside of mythtv

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jmusits:

no tickets entered for the issues I'm seeing, must have borked something in the install

[22:42:34]

moegreen:

greyfoxx you on?

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justinh:

squish102: so you know what's coming then :)

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squish102:

i wish it was easy

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squish102:

mplayer will play a vob folder?

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justinh:

no idea

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Staticwave_Ace:

hello all, I seem to be having an odd issue with scheduling, mythtv has moved all my recordings off my hdhomerun tuners (1, 2) to my PVR500 tuners (3,4)

[22:47:22]

KjetilK:

otwin: hdparm -M was really effective, thanks a lot!

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Staticwave_Ace:

even though the priority of the hdhomerun tuners is higher

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otwin:

KjetilK: np

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squish102:

can u play movies ripped with dvd shring from mythtv?

[22:52:49]

GreyFoxx:

moegreen: For a second. Just waiting for the wife to get ready to go out :)

[22:53:22]

justinh:

squish102: should be able to play .iso files AFAIK

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moegreen:

i got that usb/serial adapter for my blaster like you told me and was wondering if i could get help setting it up :)

[22:53:33]

squish102:

ok, but not .vob's

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squish102:

i think i have to use a different player

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GreyFoxx:

squish102: Which player wont handle vobs ?

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GreyFoxx:

the myth internal player will do vobs+ iso's

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squish102:

i guess mplayer

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GreyFoxx:

oh, that I wouldn

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GreyFoxx:

't know then

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squish102:

maybe i will change to internal player

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justinh:

this is just daft. calling a void, then before the void has even quit the next line of code is executed

[22:55:00]

justinh:

need a signal of some kind

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GreyFoxx:

moegreen: when I did it the system auto detected it and I don't remember doing much more than looking at the dmesg output from the kernel module and using that device in my channel changing script

[22:56:25]

moegreen:

i really dont know where to start, because my serial reciever stoped working as soon as i put in the new blaster in USB

[22:56:42]

GreyFoxx:

hmmm time to bug work to replace my laptop, the current one has serious problems

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squish102:

is the internal player a popular choice for mythtv videos?

[22:56:58]

GreyFoxx:

squish102: yes

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justinh:

moegreen: sounds like a 2nd instance of lirc is needed

[22:57:10]

justinh:

<3 the Internal player

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GreyFoxx:

especially since it's the same interface, OSD and key controls and such

[22:57:54]

** GreyFoxx wonders what the latest thinkpads are like these days **

[22:58:00]

GreyFoxx:

I loved my last one

[22:58:02]

flohack:

Dagmar: I solved the problem with my em2880 card. It's a bug in mythtv

[22:58:06]

squish102:

GreyFoxx i love my one

[22:58:36]

GreyFoxx:

flohack: What bug is that ?

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: would you mind taking a look at some code when you get a chance? can't figure out how to snuff this wee bug-ette. setting currentlocation before calling my mythappearance thing, then after the call – supposedly after it's finished (yeah right) the next line removes the currentlocation. only it's not waiting til mythappearance is finished

[22:59:49]

GreyFoxx:

justinh: Sure, email the info/patch? Heading out to the movies and stuff soon :)

[22:59:51]

flohack:

GreyFoxx: It mixes up the transport (mplexid) in the database after importing a channels.conf

[22:59:59]

justinh:

doesn't have to be today ;)

[23:00:07]

justinh:

GreyFoxx: will do

[23:00:16]

GreyFoxx:

justinh: are you looking to integrate it into the settings menus directly ?

[23:00:41]

flohack:

GreyFoxx: Probably related to: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4138 http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4163 http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4154

[23:00:42]

justinh:

GreyFoxx: that part is done. new screen. couldn't figure out how to put it in the appearance menus. way too hard

[23:01:05]

flohack:

GreyFoxx: This bug basically breaks DVB-T in Austria for mythtv

[23:01:07]

justinh:

GreyFoxx: another thing it's doing is connecting to the backend for some reason & I don't think the plugin did that

[23:01:13]

moegreen:

in knoppmyth installation is asks you if you have an ir blaster..if you say no, i know you can rerun that part of installation, does anybody know the command?

[23:01:28]

justinh:

moegreen: they might know in #knoppmyth ;)

[23:02:26]

flohack:

GeyFoxx: btw, the bug shows up, even if I use the internal scanner

[23:02:39]

GreyFoxx:

flohack: I assume you are using the latest svn trunk right ?

[23:02:55]

GreyFoxx:

justinh: hmmmmm not sure why it would talk to the backend

[23:03:30]

justinh:

GreyFoxx: I have a theory I'll dig into in a bit

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flohack:

GreyFoxx: No, I'm on 0.20.2–0ubuntu10.1 I just discovered the problem and am quite happy that it finally works. Haven't had time to try the svn version.

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok

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squish102:

can the internal player play .avi's?

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GreyFoxx:

squish102: certainly

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GreyFoxx:

I use it for playing everything except mkv's

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GreyFoxx:

I have mythvideo spawn mplayer for those

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squish102:

ok, my screen just flashes... it plays the vob's now

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GreyFoxx:

hopefully before 0.22 we'll fix the seeking issues in mkv files and I can drop that too

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squish102:

i need to get to the log somehow

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squish102:

lol it just says sh: internal: mot found

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GreyFoxx:

Capital I

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GreyFoxx:

Internal

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jams:

anytime i use the internal player everybody is blue

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GreyFoxx:

jams what video chipset ?

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jams:

nvidia

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jams:

5200

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jams:

pvr works fine, it's only with mythvideo

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jmusits:

wow, I'm an idiot, my mythplugins checkout was not the same revision as my installed mythtv checkout

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GreyFoxx:

check the output of the frontend (maybe a -v playback ) and look for the XV info. it should spit out the colorspace oto

[23:09:00]

GreyFoxx:

like I420, YV12 and such

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** jams makes a note **

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jams:

i'm resting right now. got sick and tired of plugins failing to compile because of compat.h

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GreyFoxx:

if you use "mythtv /path/to/file.avi" it will spit out the info I'm looking for

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GreyFoxx:

specifically lines with "VideoOutputXv"

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jams:

thats even easier =)

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GreyFoxx:

my checkout is 2 weeks old

[23:11:04]

GreyFoxx:

I might update tomorrow

[23:12:14]

GreyFoxx:

I was looking at a test video last night and noticed some oddities in how we calculate aspect ratios as compared to other apps

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jams:

i didn't want to update today, but that main menu popup patch forced me to.

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GreyFoxx:

especially with anamorphic content

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GreyFoxx:

the way we do it ends up doing some unneeded heightscaling

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jams:

GreyFoxx- http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . at.h;#311699

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Der_Thomas:

Hi, I'm running a myth FE with an nvidia card for output using XvMC. When ever I set the deinterlacing to bob, I can see a jumpy picture, like I can see the bob. Anyone around that can help me trouble shoot this problem?

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jams:

i ended up modifing mythpainter.h to use #include "../compat.h"

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: email sent

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: cool

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jams:

just in case you run into it.

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justinh:

wah, me so tired

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GreyFoxx:

woop, outta here. later :)

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justinh:

enjoy the film!

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Der_Thomas:

hey Justinh, you still running your EPIA-M?

[23:18:43]

justinh:

hahaha no

[23:19:00]

Der_Thomas:

Ahh, what did you go with?

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jams:

running over it with his car

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justinh:

c2d mobile 1.83

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Der_Thomas:

nice

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justinh:

got the board, cpu & ram for less wonga than I paid for the eee-pee-aye-ay PoS

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Der_Thomas:

I had a conversation with you before about how the video output was a problem on that board

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Der_Thomas:

(I have one too)

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justinh:

it just wasn't up to the job of running a frontend for some reason

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justinh:

I had better things to do with my time than debug that

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justinh:

still do :)

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Der_Thomas:

right I think you said something that I shouldn't have to deinterlace, but BC this board was broke I had to right?

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justinh:

dunno if I said that exactly

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Der_Thomas:

Ah OK

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justinh:

probably mentioned that it can do interlaced modelines but there's no way for it to know which field it's drawing on

[23:22:46]

Der_Thomas:

something about the hardware not having the ability to get timed right

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justinh:

aye

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Der_Thomas:

Well, I bought a different card, an nvidia fx 5200

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justinh:

needs another bit in a register the driver can use

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Der_Thomas:

to try to get rid of that problem

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justinh:

Der_Thomas: here's a revelation for you if you're using composite or svideo out

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justinh:

disable deinterlacing

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justinh:

run nvidia-settings & turn the flicker filter up to half way

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Der_Thomas:

I'm still having to de-interlace though. What do I need to do to have get output to look good w/o deinterlacing?

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justinh:

try it

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Der_Thomas:

OK

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justinh:

that had me scratching my head for a while the first time I ever witnessed it

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Der_Thomas:

yeah 'cuz s-video can't do interlaced video right?

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justinh:

there's a dichotomy there :)

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justinh:

PAL & NTSC are interlaced video, right

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Der_Thomas:

I guess I don't know

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justinh:

but what goes into the card's tv encoder is progressive – which is why you need to deinterlace

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Der_Thomas:

ah, OK

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justinh:

even though what comes out of the tv encoder is interlaced

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justinh:

sounds mad but makes sense if you think hard ;)

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Der_Thomas:

hmm, interesting

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Der_Thomas:

so just give it some deflicker in nvidia-settings you say huh

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justinh:

anyway the nvidia tv encoder has a nifty clever line-averaging filter which seems to do away with interlacing artifacts very nicely

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Der_Thomas:

cool

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justinh:

costs you nothing to try it & I think you'll be pleased

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justinh:

there's a slight hit in video quality but it's better than any deinterlacer in 0.20.x for sure

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Der_Thomas:

yeah I'll def try this out

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Der_Thomas:

thanks for the help

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justinh:

np, but thank me when it's proven :P

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Der_Thomas:

haha will do

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flohack:

GreyFoxx: I reported the bug in launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/188473

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