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| [00:14:04] | azop: | i'm confused by this message: |
| [00:14:06] | azop: | Could not create a symlink to /var/lib/mythtv/videos, the local MythVideo directory for this hostname (hall-desktop). Please create a symlink to your MythVideo directory at data/video in order to use the video portions of MythWeb. |
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| [00:14:17] | azop: | I know how to create a symlink |
| [00:14:25] | azop: | but I don't see where it wants the symlink from -> to |
| [00:14:40] | xris: | really? it lists both paths right there in the error message |
| [00:14:51] | azop: | data/video isn't helpful |
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| [00:15:06] | azop: | where would data/video be? |
| [00:16:05] | xris: | um, under the mythweb tree? |
| [00:16:25] | xris: | I can't tell you mythweb/data because it might be /var/www/html/data or /home/www/data |
| [00:16:29] | xris: | depending on where you installed mythweb |
| [00:16:44] | azop: | ahh |
| [00:17:09] | azop: | $webroot would be slightly less confusing |
| [00:17:12] | azop: | :P |
| [00:18:19] | xris: | it's not webroot, though |
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| [00:18:47] | xris: | won't matter soon, anyway. all of that stuff will stream from the backend |
| [00:20:06] | azop: | mmmk |
| [00:22:01] | xris: | .21 also has a pretty detailed INSTALL file that tells you to fix permissions on things so you won't see notices like that, either. |
| [00:22:22] | iamlindoro_: | not that anyone ever reads it |
| [00:22:44] | xris: | iamlindoro_: but it will make answering questions a lot easier... |
| [00:23:03] | xris: | heck, I send people to the svn trunk copy for .20.x, too... since most of the install setup is identical |
| [00:23:20] | iamlindoro_: | ;) No indictment at all of its being there, more a commentary on our illiterate times |
| [00:23:29] | Beirdo: | yes, stuarta? |
| [00:23:44] | Beirdo: | oh, he's gone? |
| [00:24:12] | xris: | he's on UK time... but is still in the dev channel |
| [00:24:36] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [00:24:55] | Beirdo: | it's only... 12:30am for him, he could still be awake |
| [00:25:48] | Beirdo: | hmmm, how to validate emails from perl... |
| [00:25:59] | xris: | validate how? |
| [00:26:01] | Beirdo: | actually contacting the mail server... |
| [00:26:37] | Beirdo: | I have postfix automatically doing it for mails flowing through the server, but I'd like a web page to check the validity of entered emails |
| [00:26:42] | xris: | like Mail::IMAP? |
| [00:26:54] | Beirdo: | and until I redo the whole thing, perl will likely be used |
| [00:27:01] | Beirdo: | no, not IMAP.. SMTP |
| [00:27:08] | Beirdo: | it fakes a delivery I think |
| [00:27:34] | Beirdo: | and if the server says "no such mailbox, piss off", it knows the email is invalid |
| [00:27:56] | Beirdo: | I guess I could always make my own code to do it |
| [00:28:44] | Beirdo: | right now, the server (postfix) already is checking sender addresses that way |
| [00:28:56] | Beirdo: | if the sender address doesn't exist, the mail -> /dev/null |
| [00:28:57] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:29:10] | Beirdo: | it has removed many many spam |
| [00:29:45] | xris: | so you want a talkback/dialback script |
| [00:29:58] | Beirdo: | effectively, yeah |
| [00:30:10] | xris: | I can get you python code for it. might be easy to extrapolate to perl |
| [00:30:18] | Beirdo: | except I'd actually be driving it from a web submission |
| [00:30:31] | Beirdo: | currently, the CGI is in C and shell scripts IIRC |
| [00:30:40] | xris: | dialback script here: http://phantom.dragonsdawn.net/~gordon/courie . . . ythonfilter/ |
| [00:30:41] | Beirdo: | I wrote it in 1997, it needs redoing |
| [00:32:04] | Beirdo: | yeah, that's the stuff. the dialback.py is basically what I'd want to do, but to validate an email in a form |
| [00:32:07] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [00:32:34] | Beirdo: | heh, they return success if no MX and no A record?! |
| [00:32:42] | Beirdo: | I'd return failure, but I'm more paranoid |
| [00:33:18] | Beirdo: | OMG. Why did xchat start Gran Paradiso instead of just using the firefox I had open? |
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| [00:33:21] | Beirdo: | bad xchat! |
| [00:35:20] | Beirdo: | made some jam... must blog :) |
| [00:35:21] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [00:40:18] | Beirdo: | hmm, Mail::Verify seems to do most of what I want |
| [00:43:24] | xris: | oh, hah.. I completely forgot about that. yeah, really good lib |
| [00:43:45] | xris: | I even rewrote it in php for my last job |
| [00:44:18] | Beirdo: | it stops one step before what I want though |
| [00:44:42] | Beirdo: | but it shouldn't be too hard to extend it to talk SMTP as well as just connect |
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| [01:02:21] | russK: | Why would my playback stop and then go back to "Select a recording to watch"? |
| [01:02:40] | scopeuk: | hi guys quick dvb-t question im on mythbuntu 7.10/myth 20.2 in the uk im using a pinicle 300i an am experiencing chirping in the audio and occasional video artifacts dvbsnoop -s signal shows ber between 0 and 150 is this likely a signal issue or should i be lookign at other hardware aspecs |
| [01:03:47] | xris: | russK: the recording was finished? or mythtv thought it was finished because of a commercial break / cutpoint? |
| [01:04:17] | xris: | scopeuk: sounds like signal, but I'm no expert |
| [01:04:51] | scopeuk: | xris was tinking it was which is strange becouse other recivers on the same comuna larial fair much better but i shall investigate further thanks |
| [01:05:05] | xris: | same channels? |
| [01:05:08] | russK: | xris, not finished, just froze and after a minute or two went back to "select a recording" ... not sure about cutpoint |
| [01:05:24] | xris: | russK: check the cutpoint editor |
| [01:05:26] | scopeuk: | xris yup |
| [01:05:32] | xris: | scopeuk: same channels at the same time? |
| [01:05:41] | scopeuk: | yes |
| [01:05:46] | xris: | could be signal strength because of too much draw, too |
| [01:06:32] | scopeuk: | whoudlent suppirse me if this place isent wired properly |
| [01:06:38] | scopeuk: | flippign student accomodation |
| [01:07:09] | scopeuk: | large complex |
| [01:07:29] | xris: | again, I don't know a whole lot about this, but if one card is slightly less tolerant than the others, and the antenna system has a lot of things plugged into it and wasn't designed with good amplification, then you can get signal droppage. |
| [01:08:01] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | scopeuk: Have you tried swapping the cables of two of the tuners to see if it's the card or the feed? |
| [01:08:05] | scopeuk: | yeh there may be nothing i can do about it but if i can get it to work id liek to thanks for your help i shall look into this |
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| [01:08:28] | scopeuk: | J-e-f-f-A thats beign done tommorow |
| [01:08:54] | scopeuk: | other system is in another room but there both being taken down for cpu musical chairs tommorow and dvb is beign tested at the same time |
| [01:10:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | scopeuk: Ah, you don't have all your tuners in one box like me... ;-) |
| [01:11:01] | scopeuk: | J-e-f-f-A the second box isent runnign myth its a desktop pc on windows the mythbox is the media centre in our comunal area |
| [01:11:44] | ** J-e-f-f-A ick – he said the "W" word!!!! ** | |
| [01:12:39] | scopeuk: | yup oh well i use both they both have there place |
| [01:13:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | scopeuk: Yeah, I use both too... ;-) Myth/Linux for all the 'good' stuff, M$ for the 'necessary' stuff (work, etc) |
| [01:14:20] | ** xris just swiched to a mac for "all of the above" ** | |
| [01:14:37] | xris: | one machine with xp, vista, fedora and macos all at the same time. :) |
| [01:14:51] | splat1 is now known as splAt1 | |
| [01:14:55] | xris: | though I usually just run macos with a vnc session to my mythbox on one of the vdesktops |
| [01:15:02] | xris: | vmware eats too much ram |
| [01:15:07] | scopeuk: | its what you need this flat has 3 linux boxes a mac and 4 windows desktops |
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| [01:15:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: It took me 2 hours fiddling with iPhoto to get 50 pictures burned to a CD... I thought it was going to take 10 seconds, but the stupid iPhoto software wasn't letting me drag&drop... |
| [01:15:33] | scopeuk: | and 2 windows laptops i forgot |
| [01:15:38] | Beirdo: | heh. |
| [01:15:50] | scopeuk: | eitehr way were drifitign nicely offtopic |
| [01:15:51] | Beirdo: | I have Win2k running in XEN on one of my boxes now |
| [01:15:59] | scopeuk: | 2k is fairly nice |
| [01:16:01] | xris: | J-e-f-f-A: odd. my wife won't let me use iphoto because she does half of the image editing stuff from windows and the other half from her ibook. |
| [01:16:39] | xris: | no windows version of iphoto.. no mac version of picasa. which means I'm stuck with gqview under linux and a lot of browsing in the finder on the mac |
| [01:16:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | xris: But iMovie/iDVD is nice... I've created 3 or 4 DVDs already... |
| [01:17:09] | xris: | I just wish I could use imovie to open up some of these mpeg TS files I recorded from DHD so I could remove commercials. |
| [01:17:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | so far I've only used video captured from my Mini-DV camcorder and still photos for the DVDs I created... |
| [01:18:28] | xris: | yeah. it's been awesome for that stuff since it came out. my parents are still probably using the original ilife stuff on their old imac to make home dvds |
| [01:21:30] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [01:21:50] | Beirdo: | Mail::VRFY (which ubuntu doesn't have a package for) does precisely what I'm looking for |
| [01:21:53] | Beirdo: | w00t! |
| [01:22:03] | Beirdo: | CPAN to the rescue! |
| [01:23:43] | ** J-e-f-f-A once wrote a pop3 email client in basic... (Yikes, that was like 15 years ago!) ** | |
| [01:24:08] | ** scopeuk was 5 at that point in time ** | |
| [01:24:26] | scopeuk: | oh well tiem to look into makeing the remote work fully |
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| [01:33:14] | xris: | time for me to ponder dinner... |
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| [02:24:31] | scopeuk: | ok rookie question i have my remote to the point where irw is reciving all buton strokes and displaying them correctly and i have a working myth install whats the mythical last step in maing this work?i cant seam to find it could just be that im gettign tired |
| [02:24:57] | fryfrog: | copying or linking your "working" lircrc into the mythtv dir |
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| [02:25:12] | fryfrog: | would be my guess, that is |
| [02:25:13] | scopeuk: | ok thankyou |
| [02:25:20] | scopeuk: | meh will soon find out |
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| [02:29:57] | compy: | anyone know of somethign i should install if i cant use k9copy to backup my mr woodcock dvd |
| [02:30:07] | compy: | all other movies seem to be backing up fine |
| [02:32:23] | leprechau: | brb... |
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| [02:36:25] | kdubya: | is there a window manager that is meant to be run from your couch? |
| [02:36:39] | kdubya: | or some kind of desktop environment |
| [02:36:45] | jamesd_: | potato maker. |
| [02:36:45] | jhulst: | compy: What are the errors you get? |
| [02:36:49] | jamesd_: | ;-) |
| [02:37:16] | compy: | jhulst, libdvdread: Invalid title IFO (VTS_01_0.IFO). |
| [02:37:31] | compy: | and a bunch of *** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c:557 *** |
| [02:37:31] | compy: | *** for vtsi_mat->vts_c_adt <= vtsi_mat->vtsi_last_sector *** |
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| [02:39:15] | jtate: | I'm getting an "Illegal Instruction" running mythtv-setup, right after selecting the language |
| [02:39:23] | Beirdo: | there we go. email validation done by script which I can run occasionally |
| [02:39:54] | jtate: | I'm running 0.20.2 on an Athlon XP 3000+. |
| [02:40:17] | compy: | jhulst, ^^ any clues? |
| [02:40:44] | jtate: | I got the same thing on a previous build, but that had been optimized for pentium4 (sse2). This build was done on the athlon XP. |
| [02:40:51] | jamesd_: | jtate, "ilegal instruction" means send the author of mythtv $500 for the right use this awesome software. |
| [02:40:52] | jhulst: | compy: my guess is that the DVD has bad sectors to try to discourage ripping. I haven't found a linux tool that will rip those |
| [02:41:40] | jtate: | jamesd_: No, that would be RIAA Unapproved Instruction |
| [02:46:08] | jtate: | When I ran gdb on the core dump, it appeared to be in mythuitype.cpp when caluclating the Alpha channel |
| [02:49:14] | jtate: | Any ideas on how to debug this? |
| [02:49:54] | jhulst: | jtate: Any reason why you wouldn't use trunk it your having problems? |
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| [02:51:29] | jtate: | jhulst: no, I'll go ahead and try that |
| [02:51:57] | kdubya: | heh |
| [02:53:48] | jtate: | compy: I've run the free DVD Fab HD Decrypter under Wine before. it seems to handle even the new Disney movies |
| [02:55:15] | compy: | jtate, ill check that out |
| [02:56:18] | orkid: | OT: anyone here use mvpmc/vlc ? |
| [02:56:59] | orkid: | jtate: you mean, mpaa |
| [02:57:48] | jtate: | orkid: sure, but they're not arbitrary people as far as I know |
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| [03:04:36] | jtate: | err, suing arbitrary people... |
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| [03:05:28] | darkfrog: | Why would calling "modprobe lirc_atiusb" as root never return? |
| [03:05:45] | darkfrog: | running on the latest version of Mythbuntu |
| [03:05:53] | inkynoob: | My frontend keeps saying "Could not connect to the master backend server". My mysql.txt file has the correct IP address (192.168.1.15), but console output says it's looking for 192.168.1.103. Any ideas? |
| [03:05:53] | darkfrog: | Trying to get my ATI Remote Wonder II RF remote to work |
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| [03:19:08] | inkynoob: | I also moved my ~/.mythtv folder aside and redid the inital configuration and the problem persists |
| [03:19:12] | kdubya: | inkynoob, you have to set the backenn address in mythtv-setup |
| [03:20:20] | inkynoob: | on the server? |
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| [03:21:25] | roothori1k: | audio is absolutely nasty when watching TV, but when I manually record with arecord from my tuner card, it's just fine. What did I do wrong in my Myth settings? |
| [03:21:50] | inkynoob: | kdubya — thanks, there was a leftover wrong IP address from before I changed it. |
| [03:23:28] | roothori1k: | it sounds like Myth is using a crappy resampler when encoding video |
| [03:23:32] | roothori1k: | err |
| [03:23:35] | roothori1k: | encoding audio |
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| [03:24:45] | kdubya: | roothori1k, i think i have heard of that problem being caused when people set the audio bitrate too HIGH in the recording profile |
| [03:25:34] | roothori1k: | kdubya: this is with live TV |
| [03:25:53] | kdubya: | livetv is just playback of a recording |
| [03:25:56] | roothori1k: | I know |
| [03:26:06] | roothori1k: | but where's the recording profile for live TV? |
| [03:26:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | roothori1k: so lower the audio bitrate on your livetv profile... |
| [03:26:28] | kdubya: | livetv is its own recording profile |
| [03:26:28] | kdubya: | heh |
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| [03:29:12] | roothori1k: | ...where do I edit recording profiles anyway? |
| [03:29:30] | roothori1k: | ...I'm dumb |
| [03:29:37] | roothori1k: | ignore me for a minute |
| [03:30:35] | Guyfromhe: | yay |
| [03:30:41] | Guyfromhe: | still no problems |
| [03:32:50] | roothori1k: | wow, lines everywhere |
| [03:33:19] | roothori1k: | it's like the deinterlacer isn't doing its job |
| [03:38:59] | kdubya: | are you using a deinterlacer? |
| [03:39:26] | roothori1k: | I was using the linear blend option, turned it off, saw no difference |
| [03:39:58] | roothori1k: | I'm guessing I have a different problem, maybe performance related |
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| [03:41:56] | kdubya: | are you trying to playback 480i or 1080i? |
| [03:42:04] | roothori1k: | 480i |
| [03:42:09] | roothori1k: | from an analog source |
| [03:42:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | roothori1k: What video card? |
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| [03:43:48] | roothori1k: | GeForce 2 MX, unknown brand (eVGA judging by the style of the sticker on the back) |
| [03:44:01] | roothori1k: | AGP 4x |
| [03:44:19] | roothori1k: | and yes, it's performance related |
| [03:44:58] | roothori1k: | I tried downing the rtjpeg quality and halving the resolution and the problem went away |
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| [03:46:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | roothori1k: What's your tv tuner? |
| [03:46:59] | roothori1k: | Pinnacle PCTV HD (800i) |
| [03:49:04] | roothori1k: | which has the better picture quality : CPU usage ratio, MPEG2, MPEG4, or RTjpeg? |
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| [03:49:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | roothori1k: Definiately not mpeg4 — it's probably a toss-up between mpeg2 and rtjpeg... I use mpeg2, but I have hardware encoders... |
| [03:50:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | roothori1k: mpeg4 takes the most cpu, but has the best compression... |
| [03:50:49] | sshirley: | hi all |
| [03:51:40] | sshirley: | i asked this earlier, but i am still not sure. given that my tv only has component inputs (rca jacks), what is better to output from on my video card: vga or s-video? |
| [03:51:58] | fryfrog: | rca jacks are *composite* not component |
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| [03:52:23] | fryfrog: | Red/White and Yellow for video, that is "composite" |
| [03:52:25] | fryfrog: | or rca |
| [03:52:40] | sshirley: | composite then |
| [03:52:42] | roothori1k: | fryfrog: component is 3xRCA though |
| [03:52:44] | fryfrog: | red, white and red, blue, green for video is component |
| [03:52:58] | sshirley: | red, white, and yellow |
| [03:53:05] | fryfrog: | if your tv only has rca in, you'll need a video card with rca out |
| [03:53:27] | sshirley: | well, i have a cable that can go from either s-video or vga to composite |
| [03:53:29] | fryfrog: | usually the ones with s-video also come with a little adapter do-dad that does rca |
| [03:53:35] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [03:53:46] | fryfrog: | in theory vga might result in a nicer picture |
| [03:53:49] | fryfrog: | i'd try both and see though |
| [03:53:50] | sshirley: | the card that i have at the moment is only vga |
| [03:53:56] | fryfrog: | vga would probably be easier to *deal* with though |
| [03:54:07] | fryfrog: | i've never seen a vga -> rca cable |
| [03:54:22] | iamlindoro_: | Nor I. I *have* seen VGA to Component |
| [03:54:27] | iamlindoro_: | which is probably what he has |
| [03:54:37] | sshirley: | someone here the other day said that vga is better because the resolution starts at 640 and s-video is limited to only 625 |
| [03:54:39] | iamlindoro_: | but won't do him any good on composite |
| [03:54:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: I have, but only for a Matros Mellinium G450 dual-head — the composite was generated by the 2nd video chip in a special mode... it isn't vga output... |
| [03:55:00] | roothori1k: | how do I fix the blue border problem again? |
| [03:55:10] | sshirley: | well, it's for going from a vga to tv |
| [03:55:11] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, but that was when you were saying you had component ins |
| [03:55:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | ...er Matrox even... |
| [03:55:39] | iamlindoro_: | VGA->Component is great, you can do HD with it... anything to composite is still going to be crap NTSC |
| [03:55:50] | fryfrog: | well, a tv with only rca input... the higher reso you run, the more likely it is to simply not work |
| [03:55:59] | sshirley: | so i am really limited by my tv |
| [03:56:03] | iamlindoro_: | yup |
| [03:56:06] | fryfrog: | yeah :( |
| [03:56:12] | sshirley: | seriously? wow. |
| [03:56:23] | fryfrog: | i've never really seen a "nice" looking computer -> rca tv hookup :/ |
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| [03:56:31] | fryfrog: | but then again, i haven't seen many either. |
| [03:56:33] | solexious: | ? |
| [03:56:47] | iamlindoro_: | RCA is the *lowest* quality of available inputs |
| [03:57:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Well, if you exclude RF input... ;-) |
| [03:57:17] | fryfrog: | i would consider s-video the lowest standard i'd use, but then only for SD display |
| [03:57:30] | fryfrog: | HDMI -> DVI cable is just so nice, but of fourse you'd need an HDTV for that :( |
| [03:57:42] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: Depends the case, though... If I were doing the tuning on the TV, I'd happily take the coaxial in |
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| [03:59:02] | sshirley: | ok...lemme get my terminology straight....my tv has red, white inputs in the back. in the front they don't have colors but are labelled video-in, audio L & R, and phones |
| [03:59:10] | sshirley: | is that composite? |
| [03:59:15] | iamlindoro_: | Red and white are audio L and R |
| [03:59:16] | Guyfromhe: | yes |
| [03:59:18] | iamlindoro_: | yellow is video |
| [03:59:24] | iamlindoro_: | in composite, yes |
| [03:59:40] | iamlindoro_: | Red, Green and Blue connectors of a similar type are component. |
| [03:59:53] | iamlindoro_: | usually marked YPbPr |
| [03:59:57] | sshirley: | are there any VIDEO cards that can output coax? |
| [04:00:08] | iamlindoro_: | nope, they would need to be capable of QAM modulation |
| [04:00:10] | Guyfromhe: | i've never seen one |
| [04:00:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | sshirley: No, but there are RF modulators. |
| [04:00:32] | sshirley: | so vga to composite is going to result in a crappy picture? |
| [04:00:48] | iamlindoro_: | anything to composite will be a comparitively crappy picture |
| [04:00:50] | Guyfromhe: | composite anything results in a crappy picture |
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| [04:01:01] | fryfrog: | if you have all the gear to do it, you may as well try and see |
| [04:01:02] | Guyfromhe: | better than coax though |
| [04:01:11] | fryfrog: | and since your tv doesn't have any *other* input... you are sort of screwed |
| [04:01:16] | fryfrog: | unless you are up for buying a new tv :) |
| [04:01:23] | iamlindoro_: | that said, it's all relative... if you're only used to SD and seeing your computer output on your screen will amaze you, go for it |
| [04:01:41] | Guyfromhe: | i'm still happy with s-video |
| [04:01:42] | iamlindoro_: | Just make sure nobody ever ever shows you a DVI or HDMI in TV |
| [04:01:58] | sshirley: | damn |
| [04:01:59] | Guyfromhe: | though my myth tv isn't exactly HD |
| [04:02:26] | sshirley: | will a rf modulator help? vga to rf (using that cable of mine) |
| [04:02:44] | iamlindoro_: | no |
| [04:03:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | sshirley: Why use a modulator if your TV has composite video inputs? |
| [04:03:22] | Guyfromhe: | coax is the worst of all |
| [04:03:45] | sshirley: | a rf modulator will convert that into a coax connection. will that be better? |
| [04:03:54] | sshirley: | ok |
| [04:03:56] | Guyfromhe: | particularly with the home grade RF mods you can buy |
| [04:04:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | no! |
| [04:04:12] | Guyfromhe: | coax = bad! |
| [04:04:19] | iamlindoro_: | The best and only thing you can do is get yourself a decent TV |
| [04:04:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^^ agreed! |
| [04:04:22] | Guyfromhe: | composite = ok |
| [04:04:33] | Guyfromhe: | svideo = slightly better |
| [04:04:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | S-video is better.... |
| [04:04:38] | Guyfromhe: | component = good |
| [04:04:39] | iamlindoro_: | or live with composite (shudder) |
| [04:04:43] | Guyfromhe: | hdmi = great |
| [04:04:57] | Guyfromhe: | i noticed a huge diff from composite to svideo |
| [04:04:57] | sshirley: | well, for now i will use the vga to composite. but if i look at a new tv, but want to stay with SD, what kind of inputs am i looking for? |
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| [04:05:10] | Guyfromhe: | i'd look for component |
| [04:05:19] | iamlindoro_: | I'd not waste your time on an SD TV |
| [04:05:19] | Guyfromhe: | i think most tvs have component now a days |
| [04:05:31] | iamlindoro_: | That's like buying Betamax during their going out of business sale |
| [04:05:36] | iamlindoro_: | Or buying HD-DVD now |
| [04:05:45] | iamlindoro_: | Not. Smart. |
| [04:05:50] | fryfrog: | buying an SD tv now is a waste |
| [04:06:02] | fryfrog: | especially if you are in the US |
| [04:06:19] | iamlindoro_: | so very cheap these days anyway |
| [04:06:24] | Guyfromhe: | yeah |
| [04:06:30] | Guyfromhe: | can you even buy a SD tv anymore? |
| [04:06:30] | iamlindoro_: | you can get a 27" 720p set for next to nothing |
| [04:06:37] | iamlindoro_: | Probably at WalMart |
| [04:06:37] | sshirley: | i just bought an SD video encoder :-( |
| [04:06:47] | Guyfromhe: | they've 86'd all the CRTs |
| [04:06:49] | iamlindoro_: | capture != display |
| [04:07:10] | iamlindoro_: | there are some legit reasons for continuing to capture SD... display of HD will become more and more essential, though |
| [04:07:29] | Guyfromhe: | lots of new HD decoders offer usb or firewire though |
| [04:09:13] | fryfrog: | well, firewire maybe ;) |
| [04:09:18] | sshirley: | hows this: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 165610666527 |
| [04:09:37] | iamlindoro_: | NO SDTVs!!! |
| [04:09:43] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [04:09:52] | iamlindoro_: | listen to the words comin' outta my mouth! |
| [04:10:11] | sshirley: | well, whats the sense in buying a HDTV when I am only encoding SD? |
| [04:10:23] | iamlindoro_: | sell an extra gram of blow and buy a $400 HDTV |
| [04:10:28] | sshirley: | Or will my encoded SD content look better on a HDTV? |
| [04:10:29] | fryfrog: | teh future plans |
| [04:10:58] | iamlindoro_: | sshirley, first off, the myth interface would be in HD, and only your captured TV would be HD... then theres lots of HD content besides whats coming out of your capture card |
| [04:11:07] | iamlindoro_: | er captured TV in SD |
| [04:11:20] | fryfrog: | you could even get an HD capture card too :) |
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| [04:11:26] | fryfrog: | get yourself some HD and SD! |
| [04:11:28] | iamlindoro_: | plus you could add a cheap sub $100 HD capture card and get OTA HD |
| [04:11:36] | sshirley: | Yeah, but I just bought a Hauppauge 500 (SD) |
| [04:11:43] | ** iamlindoro_ gives the FUCK UP ** | |
| [04:11:46] | iamlindoro_: | forget it |
| [04:11:53] | iamlindoro_: | buy the BIGGEST FUCKING TUBE YOU CAN FIND |
| [04:11:54] | Guyfromhe: | it'll still be up-convereted to HD and will look slightly better |
| [04:12:01] | fryfrog: | Thats what I have, plus a pair of HD cards. |
| [04:12:06] | iamlindoro_: | because SD is awesome and don't let anyone tell you otherwise |
| [04:12:47] | iamlindoro_: | I'm sure SD's got legs and will available for like DOZENS of months |
| [04:12:55] | iamlindoro_: | tens of days, even! |
| [04:13:20] | iamlindoro_: | scores of hours! |
| [04:13:33] | sshirley: | No....just get like that. I'm new to video. I need/want to learn this. SD is obviously inferior. But I am moving to Germany in 1 to 1.5 years. I can't take the HDTV with me. So it doesn't make sense to buy an kick ass tv. I also JUST bought that SD encoder. |
| [04:14:04] | sshirley: | "No...don't get like that" I meant |
| [04:14:05] | iamlindoro_: | That encoder will be useless to you in Europe.. an HDTV would not |
| [04:14:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | sshirley: Well, that SD tuner won't do any good in germany I would thinkkk |
| [04:14:26] | sshirley: | an HDTV encoder could still be used in Europe?????? |
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| [04:14:41] | iamlindoro_: | we're not talking about encoders, we're talking about display devices |
| [04:14:58] | iamlindoro_: | And no, Europe has its own capture devices, DVB |
| [04:15:15] | Vaelys: | DVB-T |
| [04:15:20] | iamlindoro_: | or S, or C |
| [04:15:43] | iamlindoro_: | "DVB" is the umbrella term. |
| [04:16:39] | Vaelys: | which is also the "same" protocol for Satellite |
| [04:16:52] | iamlindoro_: | That's DVB-S |
| [04:18:00] | sshirley: | If I got from VGA to Composite, will it be worse quality (visually) than just viewing straight cable (from the wall into the tv)? |
| [04:18:27] | iamlindoro_: | yes, because it will have been captured, encoded, output via an analog output, and dropped into your TV. |
| [04:19:13] | iamlindoro_: | So you'll have compression artifacts and analog noise. Just try it. You may not notice on your monstrous yucky tube. |
| [04:20:02] | iamlindoro_: | What we're telling you is, it will look (compared to a digital output or high-bandwidth analog output) like ass to us... it may be fine for you. |
| [04:20:10] | iamlindoro_: | People here are picky. |
| [04:20:17] | sshirley: | It's not the newest, but it's still a good quality tv. But, damn. |
| [04:20:45] | sshirley: | True. When I go to Germany, I will plunk down ton o' cash for a big-ass hdtv. |
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| [04:21:16] | iamlindoro_: | OR get one that's 100~240 VAC / 50–60 Hz capable and it will work both places. |
| [04:21:28] | sshirley: | hmmmm |
| [04:21:51] | sshirley: | will a hdtv work in both places? an hdtv isn't restricted by the ntsc/pal issue? |
| [04:22:06] | iamlindoro_: | No, NTSC and PAL aren't HD standards. |
| [04:22:19] | iamlindoro_: | 1080p = 1920x1080 progressive on both sides of the pond. |
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| [04:22:45] | sshirley: | really? hmmmmm |
| [04:22:45] | iamlindoro_: | You wouldn't be able to use the built in tuner, but since you should be feeding it via HDMI, DVI, or component, it won't matter. |
| [04:23:15] | defaultro: | hey folks, my friend showed to me tversity and he was able to play some videos on his ps3. Is there any similar for mythtv? |
| [04:23:28] | fryfrog: | upnp? |
| [04:23:31] | iamlindoro_: | what, like uPnP? Yes. |
| [04:23:32] | fryfrog: | not sure how nice it works yet though |
| [04:23:35] | defaultro: | ok |
| [04:23:42] | iamlindoro_: | apparently pretty OK for PS3 in SVN |
| [04:23:45] | defaultro: | so looks like i will have to enable upnp then |
| [04:23:56] | iamlindoro_: | It doesn't get "enabled," it just "is" |
| [04:24:11] | defaultro: | i think i disabled it on the command line |
| [04:24:14] | iamlindoro_: | But if you're not running SVN trunk, it won't do as much as it is for those who are |
| [04:24:16] | defaultro: | i will have to remove it |
| [04:24:20] | defaultro: | ok |
| [04:24:23] | iamlindoro_: | defaultro: ah, so you mean stop diabling it ;) |
| [04:24:27] | defaultro: | yep |
| [04:24:29] | defaultro: | sorry |
| [04:24:35] | iamlindoro_: | naw, I'm being picky, all good |
| [04:24:46] | defaultro: | thanks folks |
| [04:25:31] | iamlindoro_: | Just keep in mind that (apparently) if you try to stream something to PS3 with an AC3 track, it won't work |
| [04:25:54] | defaultro: | ok |
| [04:25:56] | iamlindoro_: | I believe I heard that at some point |
| [04:26:09] | iamlindoro_: | But it's a PS3 limitation and not a myth one |
| [04:26:13] | defaultro: | yep |
| [04:26:19] | defaultro: | myth is just sending stream |
| [04:26:23] | iamlindoro_: | exactly |
| [04:26:37] | sshirley: | ok....well, for now i'll see how the composite this works out. otherwise i am looking for a new tv. if i go with a low end hdtv, i'll have to get a video card that can output s-video or whatnot |
| [04:26:58] | iamlindoro_: | If you get an HDTV, just use the VGA or DVI out |
| [04:27:05] | fryfrog: | if you get a low end *HD* tv, you'll wnat one with DVI or *maybe* VGA |
| [04:27:07] | iamlindoro_: | don't waste time with s-video, that's SDTV only |
| [04:27:18] | sshirley: | ok. thats doable. |
| [04:27:22] | fryfrog: | if you get a low end SD tv, then you'll maybe be stuck with s-video |
| [04:27:27] | iamlindoro_: | I mean, an HDTV will have s-video in, but it will only carry an SD signal |
| [04:27:31] | sshirley: | ok....now sound. |
| [04:28:30] | sshirley: | how do i hook that up? a) i assume it's encoded with the pvr500 and 2) to the tv (my sd one for now) do i run a line from my sound card to the tv? |
| [04:28:40] | fryfrog: | yup |
| [04:28:42] | iamlindoro_: | sshirley: Yes, or to your amplifier |
| [04:28:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | sshirley: Or just pick up a monsterous LCD computer monitor... you can get a 22" widscreen for like $280 now... |
| [04:28:47] | fryfrog: | headphones -> rca jacks |
| [04:29:07] | fryfrog: | or digital (optical/coax) -> reciever |
| [04:29:09] | fryfrog: | if you do that |
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| [04:30:09] | iamlindoro_: | I think sshirley is building my mythbox from five years ago |
| [04:30:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | sshirley: or a 24" for around $500 if you watch the sales... There's even a 27.5" lcd monitor at Best Buy for < 700... |
| [04:30:55] | iamlindoro_: | that said, his PVR-500 is WAY better than the first capture card I put in a myth box... under Mandrak :) |
| [04:30:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | sshirley: And those would work on 'both sides of the pond'... ;-) |
| [04:31:07] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: ;) |
| [04:31:17] | iamlindoro_: | s/Mandrak/Mandrake |
| [04:32:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: I started myth with a PVR-350 ... But had various cards in the winblows days... ATI was the best tuner in winblows in the late 90's... |
| [04:32:19] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, sweet Mandrake... we met and Barnes and Noble in the software section... It was love at first sight and I knew I had to have you... |
| [04:32:47] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: Lucky!! I *think* I had a WinTV Radio, but that may have been my second box, I may have had something even more atrocious before that from AverMedia |
| [04:32:51] | sshirley: | the monitor would indeed work on both sides. but for a 27.5" monitor, i have a decent 32" hdtv. :-) this sucks. |
| [04:33:29] | ** iamlindoro_ saw an AverMedia M179 in his car tonight... it's like the poor man's PVR-150. ** | |
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| [04:34:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: I bought my 350 at a computer show after reading the box, and being impressed that it had hardware encoding and decoding... At the time I didn't know about Mythtv, and was intending to build a "Media Center" solution... |
| [04:36:03] | sshirley: | i'm kinda bummed about the video thingy |
| [04:36:19] | sshirley: | i should have studied more before i went out and bought my computer and encoder |
| [04:36:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: But after discovering it would cost me like $200/pc for the OS, if I could even get my hands on it as it was only available with a system, I put it away until I heard about Mythtv. Boy was I excited to hear it was the 'perfect' card for Myth... (~5 yrs ago) |
| [04:36:47] | sshirley: | my computer is good though. dual-core 2.1ghz x64 amd, 2gb ram, 320gb hd, dvd/rw |
| [04:37:18] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: Heh, you lucked out. Actually, I had a buddy in Boston (works at BU now) who turned me on to it too. |
| [04:37:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | sshirley: Once you get Myth up and running you're gonna want more hdd space.. ;-) I've got > 1TB, and I'm looking to add more!!! |
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| [04:38:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: btw: we had a heat wave on Tuesday — when I left my house at 7:45am it was 42 degrees!!!! |
| [04:38:29] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: Hahahahah... we're just getting lots of rain, but I'll live |
| [04:38:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Of course, it's going back into the 20's tonight/tomorrow... :-( |
| [04:38:57] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: Gahh, so melt the snow then freeze Boston into an ice rink |
| [04:39:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: Yep, that's basically it... :-( |
| [04:40:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | I've either got to get some toothpicks to keep my eyes open or get to bed... And since I'm working tomorrow, I'll do the latter... C'ya guys... ;-) |
| [04:40:10] | iamlindoro_: | night J-e-f-f-A |
| [04:40:16] | ** J-e-f-f-A ZZZzzz... ** | |
| [04:44:39] | sshirley: | i wonder how many hdtvs are 110–240v 50–60hz |
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| [04:52:06] | Guyfromhe: | whee |
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| [04:54:00] | Shaun2222: | can mythtv play all the normal HD formats that are out these days? |
| [04:54:04] | Shaun2222: | MKV and what not. |
| [04:56:48] | Guyfromhe: | I hear it can |
| [04:57:06] | fryfrog: | mkv, you really need to use mplayer instead of the internal one |
| [04:57:28] | Guyfromhe: | fry: I think it was just the PSU btw |
| [04:57:33] | Shaun2222: | bah.. |
| [04:57:46] | Guyfromhe: | i've been beating the hell out of it all day and it hasn't done it |
| [04:57:57] | fryfrog: | Guyfromhe: nice! |
| [04:58:05] | fryfrog: | i'm surprised, weird symptoms :) |
| [04:58:42] | Guyfromhe: | very weird |
| [04:58:48] | Guyfromhe: | won't know for a couple days though |
| [04:58:52] | Guyfromhe: | for absoloute sure |
| [04:59:06] | Guyfromhe: | but it has almost always screwed up after a couple hours of live tv |
| [04:59:48] | Guyfromhe: | I even pushed it to record like 4 shows in a row on both tuners at the same time |
| [04:59:55] | Guyfromhe: | and they all turned out good |
| [05:00:06] | fryfrog: | happy ending :) |
| [05:00:10] | Guyfromhe: | i'm glad |
| [05:00:15] | Guyfromhe: | if it's good i'll mount the new PSU |
| [05:00:23] | Guyfromhe: | rigth now is's sorta lying next to the PC :P |
| [05:00:46] | Guyfromhe: | yup no need to kill myself |
| [05:01:05] | Guyfromhe: | when .21 comes out i'm gunna buy a 500 gigger and get a nice recent OS |
| [05:01:16] | Guyfromhe: | whats a good distro? |
| [05:01:28] | fryfrog: | which ever one you are familiar with and like :) |
| [05:01:38] | Guyfromhe: | i'm more of a BSD guy myself |
| [05:01:55] | Guyfromhe: | i've always been into deian though, maybe i'll go ubuntu |
| [05:02:07] | fryfrog: | That is what I use |
| [05:02:11] | fryfrog: | have liked it |
| [05:02:18] | fryfrog: | if you like BSD, you might also like Gentoo |
| [05:02:21] | Guyfromhe: | does apt upgrade myth nicely? |
| [05:02:31] | fryfrog: | in theory, probably |
| [05:02:35] | fryfrog: | but i use svn trunk :/ |
| [05:02:38] | Guyfromhe: | ah |
| [05:03:06] | Guyfromhe: | when I upgraded with fedora it was like 1 command |
| [05:03:26] | fryfrog: | ubuntu i'd say is similar |
| [05:03:33] | Guyfromhe: | thats good |
| [05:03:39] | fryfrog: | "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade" would do it |
| [05:03:47] | fryfrog: | (it is what I do to update my systems) |
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| [05:03:59] | fryfrog: | of course, since I use svn trunk of myth, *that* doesn't upgrade myth for me |
| [05:04:07] | Guyfromhe: | yeah |
| [05:04:13] | Guyfromhe: | do you have that new fancy mythweb? |
| [05:04:27] | fryfrog: | maye? |
| [05:04:29] | fryfrog: | maybe? |
| [05:04:35] | Guyfromhe: | with the flash player? |
| [05:04:35] | fryfrog: | what is the "fancy" part? |
| [05:04:45] | fryfrog: | flash playback of recordings? |
| [05:04:50] | Guyfromhe: | yeah |
| [05:04:54] | fryfrog: | in theory i have it, but i haven't tried it |
| [05:04:59] | Guyfromhe: | ah |
| [05:05:05] | Guyfromhe: | did they change the interface? |
| [05:05:19] | fryfrog: | not really, but it looks *nicer* |
| [05:05:23] | Guyfromhe: | oooh |
| [05:05:25] | fryfrog: | well, depends on what you are comparing it to i guess :) |
| [05:05:27] | Guyfromhe: | I like nicer |
| [05:05:30] | Guyfromhe: | the old interface |
| [05:05:33] | Guyfromhe: | from 0.19 :P |
| [05:05:35] | fryfrog: | 0.18.... it probably looks real diff |
| [05:05:43] | fryfrog: | 0.20 or so, maybe not so diff :) |
| [05:05:46] | Guyfromhe: | ah |
| [05:05:50] | Guyfromhe: | i'm not at 0.20 |
| [05:05:54] | Guyfromhe: | I think i'm 0.19 |
| [05:06:29] | Guyfromhe: | every time I install myth clean it's an all day affair |
| [05:06:38] | fryfrog: | same here :0 |
| [05:06:54] | Mixx: | yeah |
| [05:07:12] | Mixx: | almost as bad as a kernel upgrade |
| [05:07:18] | Guyfromhe: | thats the only nice thing about a tivo |
| [05:07:22] | Guyfromhe: | is you plug it in and it works |
| [05:07:35] | Guyfromhe: | and it has that thumbs up thumbs down thing, myth should have that |
| [05:09:35] | Guyfromhe: | that would be w00t |
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| [05:11:34] | fryfrog: | it might be neat, but... i actually wouldn't relaly like my mythbox to record shows i didn't tell it to :/ |
| [05:11:40] | fryfrog: | but i'm sure some would |
| [05:12:16] | iamlindoro_: | Some guy talked about how necessary it was and blah blah about how he was going off to write it... yep, he fell off the earth. |
| [05:12:29] | iamlindoro_: | Came in for like two weeks straight bitching about it. |
| [05:12:40] | iamlindoro_: | But I suppose we get a lot of that around here. |
| [05:13:08] | fryfrog: | the problem is that it would require a centralized database and *feedback* from myth users |
| [05:13:25] | Guyfromhe: | yeah |
| [05:13:27] | fryfrog: | maybe not something a lot of people would be completely keen on having going in the bg |
| [05:13:39] | fryfrog: | some 3rd party knowing what you watch and what you think of it :/ |
| [05:13:40] | Guyfromhe: | well it wouldn't record based on that data |
| [05:13:47] | fryfrog: | it'd have to |
| [05:13:51] | fryfrog: | sort of like netflix |
| [05:14:04] | Guyfromhe: | it's supposed to suggest what you might like to watch, not just up and record it |
| [05:14:13] | fryfrog: | you rate stuff, it sort of says "hey, people who liked X and Y also tended to like Z... lets suggest he watch (or record) Z |
| [05:14:17] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [05:14:19] | Guyfromhe: | and some privacy nuts might not like the fact that big brother is watching them |
| [05:14:26] | fryfrog: | still, that doesn't get over the sending of lots of data :) |
| [05:14:27] | iamlindoro_: | The "thumbs up thumbs down" in tivo *does* record that stuff by default |
| [05:14:38] | Guyfromhe: | well thats dumb |
| [05:14:44] | fryfrog: | it'd be okay, if you go that far to have a "record stuff" or "suggest stuff" |
| [05:14:45] | Guyfromhe: | I just thought a show recomendation system would be meat |
| [05:14:46] | Guyfromhe: | neat |
| [05:14:48] | iamlindoro_: | It can be turned off, but still |
| [05:14:52] | fryfrog: | it'd be a trivial option i imagine |
| [05:14:57] | Guyfromhe: | prolly |
| [05:14:57] | at0m|c: | fryfrog, kinda like last.fm – dont we do it for music already? |
| [05:15:01] | fryfrog: | the *hard* part is the rating, storage, suggestion, etc |
| [05:15:06] | fryfrog: | i don't :p |
| [05:15:12] | fryfrog: | anyway, headed home |
| [05:15:28] | Guyfromhe: | if in the interface you can say you like a show or not it would make it easy for people to submit data to the system |
| [05:15:53] | Guyfromhe: | it wouldn't auto-report what your recording, you'd have to say if you like it or not kinda thing before it would send any data |
| [05:16:00] | Guyfromhe: | i guess if no one used it it would be useless |
| [05:17:07] | fysa: | I wouldn't mind a system that monitored tvrage for show ratings (weighted), that would add something to record a couple episodes if it had enough decent reviews. |
| [05:17:41] | Guyfromhe: | hrm |
| [05:17:44] | Guyfromhe: | might be ok |
| [05:17:48] | fysa: | enough space, not like a tivo. |
| [05:17:53] | Guyfromhe: | heh |
| [05:18:07] | Guyfromhe: | but at least with the thumbs thing you can tell it what type of shows you like |
| [05:18:13] | fysa: | then there is no effort/training, and those would be the least priority |
| [05:18:46] | fysa: | my favorite part of myth is setting 100 shows to record, even the shows that I watch very seldom.. but just have it always keep 1 or 2 episodes and low priority. |
| [05:18:52] | fysa: | like .. MXC. |
| [05:21:59] | Guyfromhe: | heh MXC |
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| [05:24:54] | fysa: | because you never know, right? ;) |
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| [07:07:00] | CCFL_Man2: | guys |
| [07:07:06] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [07:07:21] | CCFL_Man2: | free to air satellite is so farking cool |
| [07:07:44] | cesman: | CCFL_Man2: how cool? |
| [07:07:54] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm getting nbc feeds at 4:2:2 mpeg video |
| [07:08:19] | CCFL_Man2: | none of my irds decode it though |
| [07:08:34] | fysa: | Get any stations showing cricket matches? |
| [07:08:49] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm in the US |
| [07:09:02] | CCFL_Man2: | we don't do cricket here |
| [07:09:10] | CCFL_Man2: | we do baseball |
| [07:09:12] | fysa: | I'm in the US also.. |
| [07:09:16] | fysa: | it's tough to find. ;) |
| [07:09:32] | CCFL_Man2: | not for free |
| [07:09:32] | fysa: | DirecTV/DISH packages are $200 for a series. |
| [07:10:07] | CCFL_Man2: | well, where do they get it from? |
| [07:10:29] | CCFL_Man2: | check where and see if you can get it via fta |
| [07:10:34] | fysa: | Star Sports possibly |
| [07:10:48] | fysa: | SaharaTV |
| [07:10:48] | Agrajag-: | no cricket! how terrible :P |
| [07:10:58] | fysa: | Zee TV |
| [07:11:54] | fysa: | ATN? |
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| [07:13:08] | Agrajag-: | aus. vs. india twenty20 on in about an hour :D |
| [07:13:23] | fysa: | I have a webstream.. :) |
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| [07:17:44] | astyler: | hmm |
| [07:18:00] | astyler: | why doesn't mythtv pause audio when livetv is paused? |
| [07:18:17] | astyler: | it seems like it should so that when I resume the video and audio arent 5 minutes out of sync |
| [07:18:31] | astyler: | and unreconcilliable |
| [07:18:43] | astyler: | is there a feature request forum? |
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| [07:19:34] | jhulst: | astyler: It should pause it, what hardware are you using to capture? |
| [07:19:55] | astyler: | i see that, i think its playing the audio from my line-in live |
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| [07:20:06] | astyler: | so myth-tv has no control over it |
| [07:23:00] | jhulst: | astyler: I've never used a framegrabber, but I have to believe that there are ways to get it to work |
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| [07:35:02] | CCFL_Man2: | if you are in the US, point your dish to 103w on the ku band |
| [07:35:24] | CCFL_Man2: | this amazing classical music station is on there |
| [07:36:15] | CCFL_Man2: | 11942MHz, vertical, 20000 symbol rate, apid 5417 |
| [07:37:14] | jhulst: | CCFL_Man2: Can you give a little more details on how your setup? What do you use for a dish/receiver and such |
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| [07:39:02] | CCFL_Man2: | jhulst: i use a 6ft dish, because i want to receive c band, but you can use a little 18" dish with linear ku lnb, and any dvb receiver or wintv nova-s card |
| [07:39:30] | jhulst: | CCFL_Man2: The dish hooks right to the card? |
| [07:40:01] | CCFL_Man2: | directv and dish network use circular lnbs, you can't use them to get linear signals |
| [07:40:24] | CCFL_Man2: | yes, from the lnb to the card or dvb receiver |
| [07:41:45] | jhulst: | And you get many channels with it? High-def? |
| [07:42:09] | CCFL_Man2: | it's free to air |
| [07:42:18] | justinh: | astyler: you didn't notice the audio was out of sync? |
| [07:42:53] | jhulst: | CCFL_Man2: is there a listing of what you get with it? I haven't looked at satellite stuff ever |
| [07:42:55] | justinh: | astyler: common problem when people use lamegrabbers is that they don't mute the audio input the tuner card's audio is plugged into. you only want the linux mixer to be set to _capture_ that channel |
| [07:43:39] | CCFL_Man2: | only channels you get worth watching is the pentagon channel, nbc east and west feeds in 4:2:2 mpeg video, and wcpe, an amazing classical radio station |
| [07:44:03] | jhulst: | oh, so not a whole lot of programming... |
| [07:44:05] | CCFL_Man2: | rest of the stuff is low bitrate feeds from nbc cameras |
| [07:44:37] | CCFL_Man2: | a lot of free to air is international programming and religious |
| [07:45:12] | CCFL_Man2: | some local programming, pbs hd, etc |
| [07:45:15] | justinh: | praise be to the almighty (dollar) |
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| [07:45:42] | CCFL_Man2: | free tv is great though |
| [07:46:50] | jhulst: | Yeah, but I can get all of that over my local antenna :) |
| [07:46:52] | CCFL_Man2: | lots of great stuff is on the international channels, such as deutsche welle, and rare treats like this classical radio stations |
| [07:47:08] | jhulst: | minus the music and international |
| [07:47:23] | justinh: | I dunno, if it was a toss-up between $5 a month & stuff worth watching, and FTA God stations I know what I'd pick |
| [07:47:50] | CCFL_Man2: | justinh: not all fta is religious |
| [07:47:54] | justinh: | CCFL_Man2: we have 2 national classical stations in the UK |
| [07:48:14] | CCFL_Man2: | international channels are worth it alone |
| [07:48:27] | justinh: | makes me cringe when I think how the US is moving towards subscription models for all quality radio. madness |
| [07:48:37] | CCFL_Man2: | justinh: thats the UK |
| [07:49:17] | CCFL_Man2: | this classical station is a public broadcast station, listener funded |
| [07:49:18] | justinh: | then again no commercial radio in the UK is even worth a light... |
| [07:51:20] | CCFL_Man2: | so it has no commercials, this station is amazing |
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| [07:51:39] | Dagmar: | Well, basically FM radio in the US has been taken over by dipshits who don't realize that we don't want to hear _crap_ all day |
| [07:51:56] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: fta radio |
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| [07:52:12] | Dagmar: | The reason the US is moving towards subscription models for quality radio is because NO ONE is broadcasting quality anymore. |
| [07:52:32] | Dagmar: | I live in "the Music City". Nashville, TN. |
| [07:52:42] | Dagmar: | Is there one even remotely independent station here? |
| [07:52:43] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [07:52:48] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: there are a select few that still are, such as wcpe |
| [07:52:52] | Dagmar: | There's college radio and that's it. |
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| [07:53:15] | Dagmar: | Everything else has been bought by Clearchannel |
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| [07:53:21] | justinh: | Dagmar: that's what happens when consultants take over |
| [07:53:43] | CCFL_Man2: | no pbs radio stations in your area? |
| [07:53:47] | justinh: | hey, the people in our focus group wanted the same songs all day long every day, so that's what we're gonna do! |
| [07:53:47] | Dagmar: | justinh: Actually, it's what happens when the FCC relaxes restrictions on how much of one market a company can own |
| [07:54:15] | justinh: | Dagmar: and that. ofcom in the UK have done the same. local radio is dead now other than BBC local stations |
| [07:54:31] | Dagmar: | CCFL_Man2: I'll save the harpsichord music for when I'm in the hospital, thanks |
| [07:55:05] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: you don't like classical music? |
| [07:55:11] | justinh: | they're about to reduce the minimum amount of required locally sourced programming on commercial radio too. pretty soon it'll just be the ads which are specific to a region |
| [07:56:29] | justinh: | CCFL_Man2: depends what kind of classical. it can vary between the sickly & twee (Moonlight sonata et al) & the 'challenging' Rite Of Spring (and more). |
| [07:56:59] | CCFL_Man2: | justinh: www.theclassicstation.org |
| [07:57:03] | justinh: | I'm somewhere in the middle but absolutely draw the line at opera |
| [07:57:26] | justinh: | pretentious twaddle |
| [07:57:27] | CCFL_Man2: | it's not opera, it's classical |
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| [07:58:18] | justinh: | and then there's more contemporary stuff, what I'd call 'massively challenging, questioning the very nature of music, atonal dirge' |
| [07:58:52] | mdew-home: | http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e371/eurylochus/untitled-1.jpg lol |
| [07:59:22] | justinh: | BBC Radio 3 play more than their fair share of that. The musical equivalent of impressionism – only it hurts your ears to partake in it |
| [08:00:22] | Dagmar: | Oh, you mean like Diamanda Galas |
| [08:01:19] | justinh: | that guy on the end looks a hell of a lot like that Logan dude in 24 ! |
| [08:01:44] | Dagmar: | Huckabee |
| [08:01:58] | justinh: | see how we care who you elect? ;) |
| [08:01:59] | Dagmar: | They are all, as per usual, across the board, without exception, a bunch of bullshit artists |
| [08:02:09] | justinh: | of course |
| [08:02:13] | Dagmar: | The subject of the war FINALLY came up today |
| [08:02:35] | Dagmar: | Obama and Clinton both just spewed the biggest assortment of bullshit feelgood doubletalk you could ever ask for |
| [08:02:41] | justinh: | their expensive campaigns wouldn't be possible without massive financial backing... hmmm .... |
| [08:03:13] | Dagmar: | I beginning to care less and less that Bush probably isn't going to let an election happen. |
| [08:03:22] | Dagmar: | 'cuz it's not really going to make a bit of difference. |
| [08:04:32] | justinh: | not when it's major corporations holding the puppet.. er I mean purse strings of the campaigns |
| [08:05:43] | justinh: | would you sell out your fellow citizens for the sake of a few tens of million $ ? I probably would. Of course I wouldn't say that at the beginning... |
| [08:06:33] | jduggan_: | hell yes |
| [08:06:35] | jduggan_: | :\ |
| [08:07:54] | justinh: | psst, just push this extra DMCA amendment through... you can have some more shares.. "ahh but what about the poor guys who can't afford to renew the playing licence every 2 days?"... <bung> "who? Oh, ok then" |
| [08:08:14] | justinh: | cynical, _moi_ ? |
| [08:11:33] | justinh: | the Digital Manchurian Copyright Act has a certain ring about it |
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| [08:21:21] | justinh: | lol @ the map image on thepiratebay.org |
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| [08:27:44] | Daviey: | Welcome to #Politics |
| [08:28:10] | Dagmar: | Welcome to #Passive-aggressive |
| [08:28:17] | justinh: | you think that's political? you should see it when it really gets going. I won't stick around then |
| [08:30:34] | justinh: | muhhhhhh, which case I buy? help decide me for I. this one – http://tinyurl.com/2jcpju or this one? http://tinyurl.com/2u76ty |
| [08:32:59] | Dagmar: | You sure you got the first URL pasted right? |
| [08:33:13] | Daviey: | oh deffo the 1st one, look how happy that girl looks |
| [08:33:48] | justinh: | wil myth worky on first linky? prease help me |
| [08:34:11] | Daviey: | should do, if fisher price run Linux on that PoS |
| [08:34:14] | justinh: | just warming up. it's the weekend soon |
| [08:34:20] | Dagmar: | I'd wait until they come out with a 12-color palette model |
| [08:34:28] | Dagmar: | I feel your pwin |
| [08:34:31] | Dagmar: | s/pwin/pain/; |
| [08:34:45] | Dagmar: | I'm _trying_ to go through LinuxQuestions, but it's just a mass of stupid people saying stupid shit tonight |
| [08:35:20] | Dagmar: | People blaming what they changed in their xorg.conf for keeping their machine from booting |
| [08:35:57] | justinh: | revoke their computing privileges! impose house arrest! |
| [08:35:59] | Daviey: | ^ *Troll Alert*, everyone be alert |
| [08:36:10] | Daviey: | :) |
| [08:36:17] | Dagmar: | I would like a way to post something that would stab them in the eye when they come back |
| [08:36:50] | justinh: | noobs: please take a ticket & wait for your number to be called. a Canonical employee will become available to give you a nice hug shortly |
| [08:37:08] | Daviey: | Dagmar: Oh you never used to be so angry @ fuckwits |
| [08:37:11] | Tanthrix: | Dagmar: Are you running SVN yet? |
| [08:37:37] | Dagmar: | Daviey: Do you come from a long line of contortionists? |
| [08:37:41] | Dagmar: | Tanthrix: not yet |
| [08:37:59] | Dagmar: | Gonna try to chase down the 16:9 scale problem before I jump to SVN-trunk |
| [08:38:04] | justinh: | Dagmar: I like that phrase. I may borrow it sometime ;) |
| [08:38:07] | Tanthrix: | Dagmar: Just so you know, 16:9 stretch is gone in trunk. |
| [08:38:31] | justinh: | which one' |
| [08:38:33] | Dagmar: | So, now there's no way to zoom in to eliminate windowboxing? |
| [08:38:34] | Tanthrix: | Dagmar: At least in name. I've been using "half" mode, which underscans by about 4–5 percent, but good enough |
| [08:38:38] | justinh: | which one's 16:9 stretch? |
| [08:38:53] | Dagmar: | justinh: The one called "16:9 Stretch" |
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| [08:38:58] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [08:39:03] | justinh: | duh I mean what does it do? |
| [08:39:18] | Daviey: | Dagmar: me -> http://www.theflickchicks.com/images/contortionists%20321.jpg |
| [08:39:22] | Tanthrix: | justinh: The one that is supposed to zoom 4:3 content that is letterboxed to 16:9 such that there are no bars on a widescreen set |
| [08:39:24] | justinh: | stretch everything to 16:9.. I can never remember these things |
| [08:39:40] | justinh: | ouch. bit of a misnomer, then |
| [08:39:51] | Dagmar: | Well, in theory it would zoom the video in by 33%, thereby removing windowboxing from 16:9 content broadcast with letterboxing in a 4:3 signal and shown on a 16:9 display |
| [08:40:09] | Dagmar: | In reality it zoomed by closer to 40–50% |
| [08:40:32] | Dagmar: | I think the cause is that my source was 4:3, but 720x480 and it throws the thing's calculations off |
| [08:40:39] | Tanthrix: | Dagmar: Just wanted to let you know, though I thought you'd have the good wisdom enough to be using the most latest version if you plan to be making changes. ;) |
| [08:40:58] | Dagmar: | Tanthrix: Large changes I would |
| [08:41:07] | justinh: | be nice if the aspect could be autodetected, but my c++ isn't up to that |
| [08:41:11] | Dagmar: | Small changes, I stick with the release that is where bugfixes go |
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| [08:41:19] | Tanthrix: | Gotcha. |
| [08:41:24] | justinh: | sheesh I can't even add a simple button to the apperance menu |
| [08:41:32] | Dagmar: | justinh: It can't really be autodetected, but it should be getting saved somewhere |
| [08:41:34] | Andycasss: | What is this internal player in mythvideo filetypes? |
| [08:41:50] | justinh: | Andycasss: what do you mean what is it? |
| [08:41:50] | Dagmar: | Maybe someone wanted to avoid making the same mistakes that led to the screwed up transcoding tables |
| [08:41:52] | Andycasss: | Is it still mplayer or something else? |
| [08:42:04] | Andycasss: | because my mplayer input keys dont seem to match |
| [08:42:09] | justinh: | internal is internal is internal. mplayer is mplayer |
| [08:42:11] | Tanthrix: | Andycasss: It's what myth uses to play recordings. You might even call it an internal player.. |
| [08:42:29] | Andycasss: | where can i edit the key bindings for it |
| [08:42:38] | Tanthrix: | It's the same keybindings as myth. |
| [08:42:48] | Andycasss: | hmm |
| [08:42:49] | justinh: | Andycasss: in 0.20.x the default is still mplayer AFAIK |
| [08:42:52] | Andycasss: | no config file? |
| [08:43:10] | Andycasss: | its in this mysql table right? |
| [08:43:12] | justinh: | you can check in the settings pages |
| [08:43:23] | justinh: | isn't everything in the database? |
| [08:44:06] | Andycasss: | well, no. I could set the joystick bindings with joystickmenu.rc or whatever it was called |
| [08:45:03] | Andycasss: | so this internal player is in "TV playback" section of "edit keys"? |
| [08:45:43] | Dagmar: | *headdesk* |
| [08:45:58] | Dagmar: | If you find it there, have fun |
| [08:46:15] | Andycasss: | where is it then? |
| [08:46:45] | justinh: | the setting which controls which player is used by default in mythvideo is in mythvideo |
| [08:46:53] | justinh: | mythvideo's player settings page |
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| [08:47:44] | justinh: | if you use the internal player the key layout will be exactly the same as for playing recordings etc.. because – it's the same player! |
| [08:48:13] | justinh: | and obviously if it's set to mplayer it'll use whatever keys mplayer uses – unless you make a custom config for that. |
| [08:48:45] | Andycasss: | i havent had any recordings so i dont know anything about that, nor do i have a tv card.. I just thought that ill try the internal thingy... |
| [08:48:55] | ** justinh chuckles at the forum post entitled "coax connection blows electric" ** | |
| [08:49:31] | justinh: | oh you're wasting a lot of time & effort then. fine. did nobody suggest freevo? |
| [08:49:35] | Dagmar: | Andycasss: You should probably take up self-mutilation as a hobby before using MythtV without a tuner card |
| [08:50:18] | Andycasss: | Dagmar: no, i like it as a juke-box |
| [08:50:45] | Andycasss: | And i only have 3 crappy airchannels, my isp has crypted the iptv channels so i dont have any use of that either |
| [08:50:54] | justinh: | but it still complains about the backend not running when you run just the frontend |
| [08:51:00] | justinh: | I couldn't put up with that |
| [08:51:06] | Andycasss: | no it doesnt |
| [08:51:07] | justinh: | and you need the database |
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| [08:51:11] | justinh: | it bloody does! |
| [08:51:23] | justinh: | Andycasss: try quitting out then |
| [08:51:24] | Andycasss: | backend runs anyway |
| [08:51:49] | justinh: | xbmc runs on linux now ya know |
| [08:51:54] | Tanthrix: | I'd take a tunerless myth setup over freevo anyday, if freevo is still how I remember it. |
| [08:52:40] | justinh: | Tanthrix: a load of python scripts tied loosely together with spittle? |
| [08:52:49] | Tanthrix: | Hehe |
| [08:53:03] | Andycasss: | How many channels do you guys have in your myth? |
| [08:53:18] | Tanthrix: | I think around 110–120 |
| [08:54:09] | Andycasss: | sigh... I wish i could have atleast 10 or so... |
| [08:54:09] | justinh: | if a tunerless mythtv setup is really better than any other linux media app, something must be very wrong with the others is all I can say |
| [08:54:35] | justinh: | as its name suggests mythtv's core strength is tv |
| [08:56:25] | Andycasss: | Its the interface that i like... I can use my remote to watch everything |
| [08:57:00] | indego: | Does anyone have a Multi-Region DVD setup working with MythTV? |
| [08:57:11] | justinh: | I see your point there. xbmc pretty much sucks at remote control |
| [08:57:12] | directhex: | yes. step 1, insert dvd, step 2, play dvd |
| [08:57:56] | justinh: | indego: you need a multiregion firmware hack for your dvd drive AFAIK. unless the linux player code ignores it altogether |
| [08:58:46] | justinh: | heh. software takes care of it for you. I stand corrected! |
| [08:58:52] | indego: | justinh, Yes, that I am trying to find out, what drive I can flash. But then the software needs to change the region code, no? |
| [08:59:16] | directhex: | decss ignores regions |
| [08:59:29] | justinh: | indego: no, to even be able to play dvds in linux needs a lib which ignores region coding :) |
| [09:00:02] | justinh: | I didn't know how the region coding worked until just now. seems they left themselves wide open for that one |
| [09:00:27] | Dagmar: | heheh |
| [09:00:54] | justinh: | but who'd want to own technically inferior discs? 720x480.. pleh! |
| [09:02:17] | justinh: | oo dear. 440GB of recordings I need to move this weekend. that might take a while |
| [09:02:57] | Dagmar: | People install Vista all the time |
| [09:03:08] | justinh: | might pop over to the other office this afternoon & borrow the HDD cloner |
| [09:03:23] | justinh: | faster than any DD I've ever done |
| [09:03:48] | justinh: | Dagmar: I still ahve that damn vista machine belonging to my wife's friend to look at. not relishing the prospect |
| [09:04:27] | justinh: | some Medion thing. came with AOL & some crappy AV software called 'Bulldog' installed ffs |
| [09:04:59] | Daviey: | justinh: i moved the recordings from a full 500Gb disk over scp last month \o/ |
| [09:05:05] | Daviey: | took a 'few' hours |
| [09:05:33] | justinh: | got a 750GB hdd to fit. might need it when I upgrade to svn this weekend :) |
| [09:05:47] | justinh: | _if_ I upgrade, that is |
| [09:06:05] | Daviey: | justinh hates the idea of multirec, clearly :) |
| [09:06:33] | justinh: | myers, quite :P |
| [09:06:59] | justinh: | might even be able to shed a tuner |
| [09:08:01] | Daviey: | :O |
| [09:08:08] | Daviey: | How many do you have atm? |
| [09:08:14] | justinh: | 3 |
| [09:08:20] | justinh: | in the main backend |
| [09:08:23] | Daviey: | <-- 2 x DVB-T |
| [09:08:33] | justinh: | room for 1 more, or a pci sata controller |
| [09:08:49] | justinh: | starting to think about moving over to sata for main storage |
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| [09:09:05] | Daviey: | I'm using SATA, and loving it |
| [09:09:44] | justinh: | motherboard was rescued from something.. or was it my old desktop? jees I can't remember |
| [09:10:04] | justinh: | kt400 chipset |
| [09:10:25] | justinh: | no onboard sata, only usb1.1 :( |
| [09:10:50] | Daviey: | Yeah, my BE doesn't have SATA – so i added a PCI SATA card.. Didn't feel happy with it, so migrated to NFS to a bulk storage server |
| [09:11:12] | justinh: | I'd really want gigE before I did that |
| [09:12:09] | justinh: | normally if I do really intensive copies it can make the network a bit sluggish.. could just be the cheap arse switch though |
| [09:13:08] | Daviey: | works for me on 100, Mind you i do have a 16 port GB switch – i should probably look at removing the 8 port PcWorld special 10/100 thats doing the most work :) |
| [09:13:31] | justinh: | heh all pc world kit is a bit 'special' |
| [09:13:43] | justinh: | 'special' kit for 'special' people :P |
| [09:14:09] | justinh: | harrow, me want buy conscooter. need be fast conscooter with window |
| [09:15:09] | DGnome: | Gigabit ethernet is nice to have, gives me much more responsive frontend-only machines |
| [09:15:27] | justinh: | recordings play back sooner? |
| [09:16:01] | DGnome: | it certainly feels so |
| [09:16:14] | justinh: | reminds me I wanna track down the atsc subtitles stuff to bypass it |
| [09:16:17] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [09:16:23] | Dagmar: | That's in your head |
| [09:16:43] | DGnome: | gigabit is good :) |
| [09:16:55] | DGnome: | not that expensive anymore either |
| [09:19:17] | justinh: | good job I haven't used that dirty cable splitting trick then eh ;) |
| [09:19:32] | justinh: | gigabit needs all 8 wires IIRC |
| [09:20:47] | Dagmar: | ;p; |
| [09:20:48] | Dagmar: | lol |
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| [09:21:57] | justinh: | guy I used to work with managed to get some flat twisted ribbon cable – he put that under his carpets & used it for all sorts of things including networking (!) |
| [09:22:14] | Dagmar: | Provided it's not near anything else carrying current, that will work fine |
| [09:22:31] | tjcarter: | Movign is teh sux0r! I advise not attempting it. =D |
| [09:23:03] | justinh: | up to a point. it's not twisted everywhere.. I think at 2m intervals it's untwisted for a few cm |
| [09:23:17] | Dagmar: | Um, what are you talking about? |
| [09:23:41] | Dagmar: | One's typical category 3/5/6 cable is twisted _all the way through_ |
| [09:23:47] | justinh: | yeah |
| [09:23:51] | justinh: | which is normal |
| [09:24:08] | justinh: | but this guy's all purpose ribbon isn't twisted all the way through |
| [09:24:32] | justinh: | you lose common mode rejection doing that |
| [09:24:35] | Dagmar: | He was using SCSI cable or something? |
| [09:24:50] | justinh: | dunno what it was meant to be used for |
| [09:24:59] | Dagmar: | Well, typically that's used for SCSI cables |
| [09:25:06] | justinh: | was ok – he only had 10mbit ethernet |
| [09:25:16] | justinh: | doubt it'd be much use for 100mbit |
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| [09:38:38] | justinh: | ahhh GA-7VAX is what I have in my backend. thanks lspci -v |
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| [09:40:36] | DGnome: | I't interesting how lspci tells more about the hardware than for example Windows XP, atleast according to my own experience :) |
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| [09:50:16] | hashbang: | DGnome: to be fair, I think all the same info is available in Windows via the Control Panel->System->Hardware Manager interface |
| [09:51:32] | tjcarter: | hashbang: lspci -v? |
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| [09:54:42] | stowaway: | hello |
| [09:55:08] | stowaway: | im a noob.. how do i get irc on my mythubunu box? |
| [09:58:48] | directhex: | hashbang, windows only tells you descriptions provided by installed drivers. having ten "multimedia device" entries & trying to work out which driver to install sucks |
| [10:01:50] | tjcarter: | stowaway: apt-get install irssi? ;) |
| [10:01:55] | tjcarter: | MythIRC! |
| [10:01:58] | tjcarter: | I can see it now |
| [10:02:03] | tjcarter: | God help us all. |
| [10:02:04] | stowaway: | yeah i just got it thanks |
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| [10:36:14] | stowaway2: | hello |
| [10:36:27] | stowaway2: | has nayone here set up a dvico dvb tuner card? |
| [10:45:01] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: ANyone creating such a thing will find me, right here, writing code to detect, and eliminate those clients from the channel. |
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| [10:47:00] | sid3windr: | haha |
| [10:48:48] | Dagmar: | As a support channel, such a thing would be suicidally bad |
| [10:49:23] | Dagmar: | Better to just develop a public remote desktop-like option where channel peeps can just _poll_ certain files on the malfunctioning host |
| [10:50:08] | justinh: | !crash mythbox segfault; mke2fs /dev/hda3 |
| [10:50:20] | sid3windr: | :D |
| [10:50:41] | Dagmar: | Better that than having moron after moron spew their entire mythbackend.log file to the channel |
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| [10:55:09] | Dagmar: | Maybe something like a MythDiagnose module with some OS-specific hooks to get the right files, but mainly just an interface to pastebin anything people might need to see to fix a problem |
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| [11:01:33] | justinh: | hmmm. I propose MythDontCare. oh wait. we already have that |
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| [11:01:49] | justinh: | symlinked to MythRTFManditwillwork |
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| [11:10:01] | DGnome: | :) |
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| [11:13:11] | stowaway2: | hello |
| [11:13:37] | stowaway2: | ive mounted my ntfs drive to my mythubuntu box.. just wondering how i share it so i can access the files on my other box |
| [11:14:35] | justinh: | nfs or samba.. personally I'd recommend nfs over samba |
| [11:14:43] | justinh: | man /etc/exports |
| [11:14:46] | justinh: | man mount |
| [11:14:49] | justinh: | msn fstab |
| [11:15:27] | DGnome: | nfs is much easier than samba |
| [11:15:35] | DGnome: | less stuff that can break :) |
| [11:15:39] | justinh: | much more efficient too :) |
| [11:15:49] | DGnome: | not to forget that |
| [11:16:33] | DGnome: | wonder if it would do much to up rsize and wsize from 8192 to 32768... |
| [11:16:41] | stowaway2: | hmm. sorry ru talking to me? |
| [11:17:06] | DGnome: | You talking to us? |
| [11:17:13] | stowaway2: | yes. |
| [11:17:18] | stowaway2: | well anyone really |
| [11:17:18] | DGnome: | Hi |
| [11:17:29] | stowaway2: | hello.. i wasnt sure if that was a solution for me or for som1 else |
| [11:17:47] | DGnome: | 13:14:35 < justinh> nfs or samba.. personally I'd recommend nfs over samba |
| [11:17:56] | DGnome: | that was meant for you, stowaway2 |
| [11:18:10] | stowaway2: | ah cool.. |
| [11:18:18] | justinh: | ru talkin to me? yeah, De Niro! |
| [11:18:24] | Daviey: | agreed, smb is nasty |
| [11:18:32] | DGnome: | You talking to me, punk?! |
| [11:18:42] | stowaway2: | hmm. i dont really know what that means tho |
| [11:18:43] | stowaway2: | or how to do it? |
| [11:18:48] | stowaway2: | only 2 day old linux user |
| [11:18:59] | justinh: | wow they start young. 2 days old |
| [11:19:04] | stowaway2: | haha |
| [11:19:05] | stowaway2: | yup |
| [11:19:16] | DGnome: | stowaway2: learn the command 'man' |
| [11:19:21] | justinh: | man man |
| [11:19:22] | DGnome: | stowaway2: it will get you far |
| [11:19:23] | justinh: | , man |
| [11:19:30] | stowaway2: | ahuh |
| [11:19:33] | stowaway2: | cheers i know what u mean now |
| [11:19:41] | DGnome: | 13:14:43 < justinh> man /etc/exports |
| [11:19:41] | DGnome: | 13:14:46 < justinh> man mount |
| [11:19:41] | DGnome: | 13:14:49 < justinh> msn fstab |
| [11:19:43] | justinh: | or search your distro's documentation section |
| [11:19:51] | DGnome: | go do that now stowaway2 |
| [11:19:53] | stowaway2: | cheers i didnt know the command man til now |
| [11:20:04] | justinh: | they sometimes even have pretty pictures :) |
| [11:21:07] | justinh: | ubunuts even has a nice gui thingy for setting up network shares |
| [11:21:28] | stowaway2: | haha. i gues ive been spoiled too many times in here. im reading now |
| [11:21:49] | justinh: | who spoiled you? name & shame! |
| [11:21:59] | justinh: | we can't have people being spoiled around here |
| [11:22:00] | DGnome: | public humiliation! |
| [11:22:07] | stowaway2: | cant remember his name. he's on in the mornings (ozy time) |
| [11:22:17] | DGnome: | fools |
| [11:23:55] | Daviey: | http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a88432/ . . . iew.html?rss |
| [11:24:16] | justinh: | just read that. pah & tish |
| [11:24:38] | justinh: | muh muh muh ofcom muh muh muh. no matter what, ofcom will balls it up |
| [11:27:34] | justinh: | I thik the smart money is going for the 2-tier TV culture in the UK. satellite will rule (even FTA) and terrestrial will be even lower quality, unwatchable due to UKJewelSales, UKJewelSales +1, UKJewelSales +2 clogging up the muxes |
| [11:28:00] | DGnome: | :D |
| [11:28:16] | Daviey: | justinh: <-- cynic |
| [11:28:35] | justinh: | make way for the Jeremy Kyle Network! |
| [11:29:33] | justinh: | Daviey: the solution to the limited bandwidth issue is dead easy. kill the pay-tv & shopping channels |
| [11:29:49] | justinh: | suddenly, there's a mux and a half freed up |
| [11:30:10] | justinh: | then kill the +1 channels.. that'd be another half mux |
| [11:30:51] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: all you have to do to detect them is recognize that they're id10ts |
| [11:30:52] | justinh: | I mean – subscribers to topuptv number less than 100,000 apparently |
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| [11:31:43] | Daviey: | justinh: Would there be space for directhex's pron channels? |
| [11:32:02] | justinh: | oh yeah – bin a couple of musak channels on the basis that they both churn out the same shite as the other one |
| [11:32:21] | Daviey: | yes! |
| [11:32:37] | justinh: | sure have loads of channels, but _different_ ones! |
| [11:32:46] | justinh: | we have pvrs now. no need for +1 channels |
| [11:34:28] | justinh: | somebody find me some cash so I can lobby some MPs to pass a bill |
| [11:35:02] | DGnome: | Terrestrial nation-wide broadcasts should be open and of high quality.. Who the fuck cares about porn channels and shopping?! |
| [11:35:14] | justinh: | Daviey: btw the ofcom HD idea is based on the premise that Sly's terrestrial pay tv doesn't get the go ahead |
| [11:35:16] | Dagmar: | Umm... |
| [11:36:31] | justinh: | it's not even as if the govt makes a lot of money from sales of licences to broadcast, so they won't lose much there |
| [11:37:34] | justinh: | be funny to get a dvb-t modulator & wipe over the shopping mux |
| [11:38:18] | stowaway2: | hmm.. (got the file sharing working. thanks) i got a ntfs TB hard drive half ful.. theres no way to change the partion without formating is there? coz i dont have enuf hdd's to hold it while i repartion it :( |
| [11:40:23] | Dagmar: | That's right. |
| [11:40:32] | stowaway2: | bugger |
| [11:40:34] | stowaway2: | thought so |
| [11:41:33] | stowaway2: | shit i did it manually with samba but i just found a gui where u select the shared folders |
| [11:41:59] | Dagmar: | You mean SWAT? |
| [11:42:37] | stowaway2: | dunno? its just called shared folders in my systems tab (in mythbuntu) |
| [11:43:07] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [11:44:08] | justinh: | choose life. choose nfs |
| [11:44:21] | stowaway2: | i was going too. |
| [11:44:29] | stowaway2: | except i left my mythbuntu cd at home |
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| [11:44:32] | stowaway2: | and it asked for it |
| [11:44:38] | justinh: | choose a f'ing big television. choose one with a native res of more than 1024x768 |
| [11:44:54] | stowaway2: | i am getting a 1080p 50" |
| [11:44:56] | stowaway2: | panasonic |
| [11:46:24] | stowaway2: | ive installed all the drivers and rebooted and whatnot.. but it still says capture card failure to open.. in mythtv setup. when i select capture card it says DVico fusionhdtv dvt-pro (which it is) |
| [11:46:27] | stowaway2: | but it still cant open :( |
| [11:46:31] | stowaway2: | when i scan for channels |
| [11:48:08] | justinh: | knowing the tuner works in linux (i.e. right in front of you) before playing with mythtv is always a good idea |
| [11:49:31] | stowaway2: | i know the card works in windows |
| [11:49:39] | stowaway2: | do u mean i have to install it properly first? |
| [11:49:43] | blackest: | yes |
| [11:49:48] | stowaway2: | okay. back to the books. |
| [11:50:05] | justinh: | these two year olds today... eesh! |
| [11:50:13] | justinh: | oops.. 2 DAY olds... |
| [11:50:30] | blackest: | you just need something like xawtv or tvtime or kaffeine |
| [11:51:26] | stowaway2: | those proggies help install the card? |
| [11:51:44] | blackest: | well they are good for testing cards |
| [11:51:51] | DGnome: | kaffeine is recommended |
| [11:53:05] | blackest: | they are apps that should work with your card (depending on type of course) they either work or don't if they work then move on to mythtv which works if the drivers are right and you configured things correctly |
| [11:54:09] | stowaway2: | okay cool thanks |
| [12:01:13] | stowaway2: | hey whats a file browser in mythbuntu? |
| [12:01:25] | justinh: | heh @ the register. facebook fatigue. bit slow on the uptake aren't they? |
| [12:02:05] | ** justinh points stowaway2 at #ubuntu-mythtv ** | |
| [12:02:40] | stowaway2: | okay |
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| [12:08:51] | Daviey: | stowaway: Thunar |
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| [12:30:58] | tjcarter: | moving bites |
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| [12:39:34] | justinh: | moving is the fun part. the sucky part is waiting for the legal stuff to be done. damn solicitors, lazy bastards every last tender-loving one of them! |
| [12:40:38] | tjcarter: | there's that too |
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| [12:41:02] | justinh: | lucky for me when I bought my house there was no chain involved |
| [12:41:12] | tjcarter: | I'm renting |
| [12:41:25] | tjcarter: | and it's the same property manager and everything |
| [12:41:34] | tjcarter: | there's a mountain of paperwork though |
| [12:42:25] | tjcarter: | and I'm basically having to pack since I got home from class at 20:00 |
| [12:42:29] | tjcarter: | It's now 04:42 |
| [12:42:51] | justinh: | I bought from a woman I worked with. looked at a few places beforehand, then was overheard talking about it, asked to have a look around, decided on that one – she took it off the market & we did it all privately. still took over 3 weeks to complete |
| [12:42:51] | tjcarter: | At 09:00 the property manager will be in. |
| [12:43:08] | tjcarter: | heh |
| [12:43:33] | justinh: | had to be on the phone twice a day every day to the solicitor to make sure everything got done |
| [12:46:46] | justinh: | heheh elektor magazine has a DIT ambilight project |
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| [13:12:43] | justinh: | hmm that was interesting. collegaue wanted to copy some files from a phone SD card to another one. windows wouldn't have it but linux did. amazing :P |
| [13:12:51] | quicksilver: | "intel releases programming manual for graphics cards" |
| [13:13:00] | quicksilver: | is this actually news? or just something someone posted to reddit? |
| [13:13:13] | justinh: | not news at all. been there ages |
| [13:13:19] | quicksilver: | I suspected as much. |
| [13:13:31] | quicksilver: | reddit is no guarantee of freshness :) |
| [13:13:37] | quicksilver: | although occasionally find interesting things there. |
| [13:13:57] | quicksilver: | "including accelerated media encoding and decoding" |
| [13:14:07] | quicksilver: | sounds like a nice thing, though |
| [13:14:08] | quicksilver: | new or not |
| [13:15:48] | justinh: | if xvmc is anything to go by, don't hold your breath for the new api |
| [13:17:51] | Dagmar: | justinh: You wouldn't happen to know of a "golden" aspect ratio for movie posters in MythVideo would you? |
| [13:18:28] | justinh: | erm.. I think it should be the aspect of dvd cases |
| [13:19:20] | Dagmar: | Ah, now there's a idea |
| [13:20:15] | justinh: | 135x200 |
| [13:20:45] | quicksilver: | which is the aspect of A4 paper, isn't it? |
| [13:20:51] | justinh: | dunno |
| [13:20:55] | quicksilver: | 1:sqrt(2) ? |
| [13:21:04] | quicksilver: | well, not quite |
| [13:21:07] | quicksilver: | that would be 141:200 |
| [13:21:52] | justinh: | funny that I don't know & I've been known to put a theme or 2 out |
| [13:24:08] | Dagmar: | THere's a BUNCH of differen aspect ratios for movie posters |
| [13:24:37] | justinh: | Dagmar: if it's for a theme you only need know one thing: the aspect of imdb posters |
| [13:25:09] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I guess that's probably a safe assumption right there |
| [13:25:29] | justinh: | there are exceptions I'm sure but they're probably wrong anyway |
| [13:27:59] | Dagmar: | Looks like 95:140, whateve that simplifies to |
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| [13:28:50] | sshirley: | hi everyone |
| [13:28:58] | sshirley: | who here has a hdtv? :-) |
| [13:29:05] | Dagmar: | Lots of people |
| [13:29:38] | sshirley: | I ask because I am wondering how many HDTVs sold here in the US can work on 110–240v, 50–60Hz |
| [13:29:40] | Dagmar: | justinh: I'm just gonna go out on a limb and aim for 1.5:1 |
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| [13:30:08] | Dagmar: | sshirley: Damn near all of them, but only 110v 60Hz because that's what kind of power is pretty much all over North America. |
| [13:30:12] | sshirley: | Also...for HDTV, what are some recommendations for encoder cards |
| [13:30:39] | sshirley: | right. but i am looking to go to germany in about 1 year and if i could buy a tv here and take it with me.... |
| [13:30:58] | Dagmar: | You would probably be looking at buying a different TV entirely if you're going to use a TV. |
| [13:31:09] | Dagmar: | They're on 50Hz over there I think |
| [13:31:37] | Dagmar: | http://www.german-way.com/electric.html |
| [13:32:13] | Dagmar: | Germany uses PAL as well, it seems. |
| [13:32:40] | justinh: | sshirley: depends on the TV's PSU |
| [13:33:01] | Dagmar: | I've yet to see a North American TV that would take 220Vac |
| [13:33:10] | justinh: | and the tuner, if you plan to use it |
| [13:33:40] | justinh: | a lot of new TV gear is universal now, but not digital stuff. |
| [13:34:14] | justinh: | ATSC vs DVB in UK vs DVB in Germany.. etc etc etc |
| [13:34:24] | sshirley: | righto |
| [13:34:42] | sshirley: | Looks like it would be silly for me to buy a hdtv right now. |
| [13:36:10] | sshirley: | the problem is that i just ordered a computer and a pvr500. i just looked at my sd-tv and it looks like i only have composite inputs on it. after being on here last night, people were of the opinion that using a cable to go from vga to composite will give me a crappy picture. |
| [13:38:11] | quicksilver: | vga to composite is complicated |
| [13:38:16] | quicksilver: | are you sure that's what you mean? |
| [13:38:40] | quicksilver: | only hardcore people build VGA -> TV adapter cables |
| [13:39:10] | quicksilver: | most people use some kind of video card with TV out |
| [13:39:30] | sshirley: | i have a cable already |
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| [13:40:06] | sshirley: | i was also told that if i get a video card with s-video out, i would still get a crappy picture |
| [13:40:09] | sshirley: | is that true |
| [13:40:18] | quicksilver: | no, not really |
| [13:40:21] | quicksilver: | FSVO crappy. |
| [13:40:34] | quicksilver: | Most SD users are using either s-video or RCA composite |
| [13:40:50] | quicksilver: | that's what most commercial DVD players use (although they hide it inside SCART, in europe) |
| [13:41:03] | quicksilver: | most people dont' consider that a crappy picture |
| [13:41:11] | quicksilver: | although certain an RGB connection would be better. |
| [13:41:21] | sshirley: | fsvo? |
| [13:41:25] | quicksilver: | for some values of |
| [13:41:42] | quicksilver: | I mean "I wouldn't call it crappy, and it's what almost everyone uses, but yes, better things exist" |
| [13:43:54] | sshirley: | ok, well that makes me feel a little better. so my current video card only has vga. so i am better off getting a cheap but good card that has s-video out and using that cable |
| [13:54:15] | Dagmar: | Or just making sure you buy a display that has VGA input |
| [13:54:35] | Dagmar: | 16:10 monitors aren't that bad actually |
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| [13:56:19] | sshirley: | Well, if I stay with my current TV, a video card with S-Video is my best bet. Right? |
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| [14:01:29] | sshirley: | If that's the case, any recommendations for a good nVidia-based card that works well under Linux? |
| [14:02:25] | justinh: | fx5200 and up |
| [14:03:12] | Dagmar: | The fx5200 is basically the "teh awesom" card |
| [14:03:41] | Dagmar: | Just so long as you don't get one from some _severely_ cheap-ass OEM like Jaton or something |
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| [14:11:59] | justinh: | the Korton from Krapoton Inc. |
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| [14:12:52] | sshirley: | i see several version available. one with just DVI. One with VGA & s-video. :-) |
| [14:23:16] | skippy: | Hi. Anyone using a Wiimote to control mythtv on GNU/Linux ? |
| [14:24:09] | sid3windr: | afaik mythtv isn't very mouse oriented |
| [14:24:18] | Dagmar: | http://www.google.com/search?q=wiimote+mythtv |
| [14:24:36] | justinh: | isn't mouse oriented at all right now |
| [14:25:13] | skippy: | couldn't one map the Wii control buttons to up, down, left, right keyboard controls? |
| [14:25:33] | justinh: | look in the wiki for wiimote |
| [14:25:36] | sid3windr: | yes, the wii has a d-pad (or rather a cross) |
| [14:25:40] | sid3windr: | first hit on google indeed explains |
| [14:25:41] | skippy: | aye, looking |
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| [14:37:44] | MythbuntuGuest50: | hello i have a problem. i have a ato 7000 ve graphiccard and i have the normaly ato driver, but when i connect a tv i see only the boot logo and when load xorg the tv is blank |
| [14:37:58] | MythbuntuGuest50: | xrandr found s-video connection, 800x600 59,9 + 60,3 hz. it this not to high? i think only 50hz work with a tv, i think |
| [14:38:22] | MythbuntuGuest50: | and when i xrandr --output S-video --mode 800x600 --rate 50 it not work, the tv flickers |
| [14:39:13] | MythbuntuGuest50: | have somebody an idear please, its realy importent for me .... |
| [14:39:20] | XLV: | 50hz for pal, 60hz for ntsc |
| [14:39:31] | MythbuntuGuest50: | i have pal |
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| [14:40:47] | MythbuntuGuest50: | i have try xrandr --output S-video --set tv_standard pal but it is the same.. |
| [14:40:48] | Dagmar: | MythbuntuGuest50: Provided they weren't insane and removed the xorgcfg utility, you should be able to boot with the TV connected and run it, and it will configure X for you |
| [14:41:56] | MythbuntuGuest50: | the problem is ubuntu say its running in low graphic mode and than he use teh vesa treivers. |
| [14:42:19] | XLV: | install ati drivers then |
| [14:42:29] | MythbuntuGuest50: | and the vesa drivers i have tv out but when i look a video it have mutch lags and when i have the otther drivers it works correct but only on the monitor |
| [14:43:27] | MythbuntuGuest50: | dont work when i test the ati drivers it works and when i click to and open the tool again its vesa again... |
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| [14:44:59] | MythbuntuGuest50: | x11 log say it runs than in failsave |
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| [14:46:13] | XLV: | MythbuntuGuest50, i dont own an ati card, so i dont know how you enable tvout but maybe this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=215763 can help you |
| [14:46:28] | Dagmar: | ATI card? |
| [14:46:33] | ** Dagmar backs away ** | |
| [14:47:20] | quicksilver: | it is indeed true that ATI cards will do vesa over tvout |
| [14:47:23] | Daviey: | ATI is dirty, dirty, dirty |
| [14:47:34] | quicksilver: | it is also true that this will not give you enough performance to display video :) |
| [14:47:39] | quicksilver: | you need to enable 'real' tvout |
| [14:47:49] | Daviey: | It's true that ATI will do crap over any interface. |
| [14:48:02] | quicksilver: | I have done this on my older ATI card, but I don't think it will be relevant to MythbuntuGuest50 |
| [14:48:23] | quicksilver: | I used the gatos drivers |
| [14:48:26] | quicksilver: | which I compiled myself |
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| [14:48:36] | quicksilver: | but they're for an older generation I believe |
| [14:48:57] | quicksilver: | phoronix has this, though: |
| [14:48:58] | quicksilver: | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . 06&num=1 |
| [14:49:09] | quicksilver: | but I have no idea if that applies to MythbuntuGuest50's card or not. |
| [14:49:14] | Dagmar: | ATI will spit in your breakfast danish |
| [14:49:30] | quicksilver: | ;) |
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| [14:50:23] | XLV: | he has ati 7000 card so it should use legacy drivers with gatos, at least that link above states so |
| [14:50:39] | MythbuntuGuest50: | ok thanks i will try the other drivers |
| [14:50:49] | Daviey: | ATI slashed the tyres on my car :( |
| [14:51:26] | XLV: | they use super sharp pcbs, true |
| [14:52:45] | quicksilver: | gatos drivers work fine for me and were easy to compile. |
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| [14:53:27] | MythbuntuGuest50: | easy is good, because my linux isnt good |
| [14:53:56] | XLV: | linux is always good |
| [14:54:33] | MythbuntuGuest50: | yes but without training its difficuld, i think |
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| [14:56:51] | plb: | who's the guy did this mythxface theme..its awesome |
| [14:57:00] | MythbuntuGuest50: | support the driver than the 7000 ve graphiccard? i see only the 7000 or it is teh same? |
| [14:59:44] | XLV: | MythbuntuGuest50, http://ati.amd.com/products/radeon7000/radeonve/index.html it seems its same as 7000 with dual head support |
| [15:01:12] | MythbuntuGuest50: | ah pok thanks i will try the driver |
| [15:02:40] | MythbuntuGuest50: | one quiestion my standard is pal-b work its too with teh driver, becaus in your exaple it is ntsc |
| [15:02:52] | code-r: | HI in a master-slave system, do i need to nfs mount all the drives on all the backends? |
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| [15:18:09] | MythbuntuGuest50: | so but when i type sudo make install it says no rules maket target #install' whats frong= |
| [15:19:29] | MythbuntuGuest50: | davor sagt er auch configure error pkg-config script not found or is to old.... |
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| [15:22:02] | MythbuntuGuest50: | XLV can you help me? |
| [15:25:10] | justinh: | mythxface is awesome? oh dear |
| [15:25:47] | MythbuntuGuest50: | make say no target specified, can you help me please? |
| [15:25:56] | MythbuntuGuest50: | XVL? |
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| [16:24:17] | kslater: | so how much discussion has there been on the newly announced Hauppauge component to USB H.264/MPEG-4 encoder? |
| [16:25:03] | Dagmar: | Someone announced something? |
| [16:25:40] | kslater: | at CES they announced a new device that does on the fly HD encoding from component input cables |
| [16:25:43] | sshirley: | Anyone know if the GeForce 8400GS has good Linux support? |
| [16:25:48] | kslater: | (stereo sound only though) |
| [16:26:15] | sshirley: | I imagine all nVidia products have good Linux support |
| [16:26:49] | Dagmar: | If it's encoding, and not picking up a digital stream, then stereo is pretty much the only option |
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| [16:34:00] | XLV: | sshirley, yeah, with nvidia's binary drivers, but not h264 acceleration |
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| [16:40:08] | sshirley: | what is h264? |
| [16:41:12] | kslater: | H.264 is an encoding standard |
| [16:41:17] | kslater: | used with MPEG-4 |
| [16:41:20] | kslater: | normally |
| [16:41:36] | kslater: | quicktime uses it think? |
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| [16:43:24] | sshirley: | Ok, so if I don't care about encoding for my iPod, then it's ok. :-) |
| [16:45:27] | XLV: | basically except HD movies using mpeg2, no other HD video playback is accelerated by gpu |
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| [16:46:27] | XLV: | so if you want to create a front end able to play those, you'd need to have a fast cpu.. c2d e6400 iirc or higher |
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| [16:48:22] | sshirley: | I have a x64 2.1Ghz dual-core |
| [16:49:10] | Dagmar: | dual-core won't help |
| [16:49:20] | Dagmar: | You need _one_ core fast enough |
| [16:49:23] | sshirley: | Right now I'm doing only SD. So would this be a good card? I'm banking on that the driver will be updated in the 6 months or so that I look into getting a hdtv and hd encoder card. |
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| [16:49:32] | Dagmar: | Two cores, each being fast enough, is fine, too |
| [16:50:03] | sshirley: | But I want a video card that has DVI, S-Video, and VGA |
| [16:50:11] | MoeGreen: | i should be getting my ir blaster in the mail today, and i already installed knoppmyth telling it i didnt have one, so how can i rerun that application to install the blaster or is there a better way? |
| [16:50:12] | Dagmar: | Good for you |
| [16:50:12] | sshirley: | So that I CAN go to a hdtv |
| [16:50:15] | Dagmar: | There's plenty of them out there |
| [16:50:26] | Dagmar: | Mainly nVidia 6000-series and up |
| [16:50:52] | sshirley: | Is that a thumbs up for the video card? |
| [16:51:03] | XLV: | Dagmar, i have seen some hacks about mplayer being able to use windows coreavc, and an smp aware ffmpeg, dont there use more cores? |
| [16:51:21] | Dagmar: | The video card at least won't be a huge problem, although the s-video output is likely going to be NTSC or PAL and possibly not both |
| [16:51:25] | AndyCap: | sshirley: dvi has vga out. so dvi + svideo should be enough. |
| [16:51:35] | sshirley: | when I go to install mythbuntu, will it automatically recognize the tv and output to that or will i need to have a vga monitor plugged in during install? |
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| [16:53:31] | AndyCap: | sshirley: if you're very lucky it works, but a monitor and/or another computer with ssh would probably be handy. |
| [16:55:03] | sshirley: | The computer that I have (just got today), has Vista on it. So NO Linux. I want to just throw in my new video card and encoder card, boot up with the Mythbuntu CD, and install fresh. But I don't know that the TV will be recognized. I guess the monitor and TV plugged in is required during install. |
| [16:56:23] | Dagmar: | Well, since you're using Mythbuntu, the good news is that you don't have a choice so you have nothing to lose. |
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| [16:57:34] | sshirley: | Have a choice with? |
| [16:57:34] | Andycasss: | how to check if mythbackend is running? |
| [17:03:21] | justinh: | Andycasss: pretty sure you asked that yesterday |
| [17:03:31] | justinh: | ps -ef |grep mythbackend |
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| [17:05:15] | Andycasss: | justinh: no i didnt. Im 100% sure |
| [17:05:35] | justinh: | anyway you got that FOC :) |
| [17:06:12] | Andycasss: | ok, its running but i cant connect to it |
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| [17:06:48] | justinh: | Andycasss: usually it's because the mysql server connection can't be established. that's how the frontend finds the backend in 0.20.x & earlier |
| [17:06:56] | Andycasss: | when i use "mysql" command on terminal it gives me: "can't connect to local mysql server thrugh socker 'var/run/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) |
| [17:07:13] | justinh: | 1. find the database 2. connect to the database 3. find out from the database where the master backend live 4. connect to backend |
| [17:07:16] | Andycasss: | sorry for the typos, im not copy pasting |
| [17:07:38] | justinh: | Andycasss: so check mysql is running |
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| [17:07:54] | justinh: | hint: like the ps -ef |grep command I told you before with a minor change ;) |
| [17:08:03] | Andycasss: | yes, its running |
| [17:08:17] | justinh: | ps -ef lists running processes (man ps for more skinny on how it works) |
| [17:08:50] | Andycasss: | yes, yes – its running |
| [17:09:02] | justinh: | the | is a 'pipe' modifier which means take the output of the previous command and put it into the next, in this case 'grep' which searches for matching text & spits out one line containing the results |
| [17:09:18] | Andycasss: | aha... |
| [17:09:30] | justinh: | just explaining something so you learn stuff. maybe less likely to forget ;) |
| [17:09:51] | Andycasss: | thanks, but now about that mysql... why cant it connect? |
| [17:09:53] | justinh: | anyway so mythbackend is running, mysql is running |
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| [17:10:13] | justinh: | mysql -u mythtv -p$yourmythtvmysqluserpassword mythconverg |
| [17:10:14] | Andycasss: | but when i run "mysql" in terminal it gives me an error |
| [17:11:13] | justinh: | Andycasss: if you're running ubuntu/mythbuntu check /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to discover what the password is (technically you should've made a note of it when it told you what the randomly generated password is) |
| [17:11:26] | Andycasss: | i know pass, but... |
| [17:11:45] | justinh: | repeat after me. mysql -u mythtv -p$password mythconverg – please |
| [17:11:46] | Andycasss: | It gave me a long list of desciptions and variable types |
| [17:12:01] | justinh: | where $password is the password |
| [17:12:14] | justinh: | if the password is 'foo' you'd do -pfoo |
| [17:13:25] | Andycasss: | ah, there was a space between -p mypass, anyway – it gives me the same " can't connect to local mysql server thrugh socket 'var/run/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)" |
| [17:13:37] | justinh: | Andycasss: on the same machine? |
| [17:13:41] | Andycasss: | yes |
| [17:13:51] | justinh: | try restarting mysql then |
| [17:14:01] | justinh: | the machine hasn't run out of hdd space has it? |
| [17:14:22] | justinh: | I mean hasn't run out of space on the partition where the mysql stuff is stored... |
| [17:14:39] | Andycasss: | no, theres plenty |
| [17:14:39] | Andycasss: | ok |
| [17:14:41] | Andycasss: | i cant restart it |
| [17:14:41] | justinh: | mysql poos its pants when that happens. can get nasty |
| [17:14:54] | Andycasss: | it stopped it and when tried to start it it failed |
| [17:15:00] | Andycasss: | ill check syslog |
| [17:15:05] | justinh: | good plan Batman |
| [17:15:24] | Andycasss: | heh |
| [17:15:50] | justinh: | it can be a PITA trying to help people with mysql problems here but you have your brain plugged in :) |
| [17:17:14] | Andycasss: | http://andycas.pri.ee/files/mysqllog |
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| [17:17:18] | justinh: | as for reasons why mysql might not be starting... |
| [17:17:34] | Andycasss: | could be a fw issue? |
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| [17:18:21] | justinh: | well, if you've set it up to be bound to the machine's LAN IP address which has later changed.. that might do it I suppose |
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| [17:19:06] | justinh: | Andycasss: when you do ps -ef |grep mysql does it list only one mysql process running? |
| [17:19:36] | justinh: | er.. I mean only one mysqld process |
| [17:20:04] | justinh: | actually if the restart in the init script isn't managing to stop it... that could be the cause to |
| [17:20:10] | justinh: | try stopping it, then start it again |
| [17:20:36] | justinh: | I sometimes find init scripts don't allow restarts to work properly – never got round to fixing them |
| [17:21:13] | Andycasss: | yes, there is a mysql process running, weird – i thought restart stopped it. Ill try stopping it myselfd |
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| [17:21:49] | Andycasss: | nope, still running |
| [17:21:55] | Andycasss: | shall i kill it? |
| [17:22:25] | justinh: | nothing left to do if the init script ain't working |
| [17:25:10] | Andycasss: | bah |
| [17:25:32] | Andycasss: | i think that the ps -ef |grep mysql reflected itself |
| [17:25:44] | Andycasss: | It gave me "grep mysql" not "mysql" |
| [17:25:54] | justinh: | yeah it can do you have to read it carefully :) |
| [17:26:13] | Andycasss: | well, thats that.. Any more ideas? |
| [17:26:15] | Dagmar: | hint: ps -C mysqld |
| [17:26:46] | justinh: | heh. never see ps -C quoted here usually |
| [17:26:58] | Dagmar: | I have the ps-fu for my init scripts |
| [17:27:01] | Andycasss: | ps -C didnt give me any mysql processes |
| [17:27:10] | justinh: | Andycasss: so it's not running then, safe to say |
| [17:27:18] | Dagmar: | It helps when you look for mysqld |
| [17:27:29] | Dagmar: | -C matches the _exact name_ |
| [17:27:32] | Andycasss: | tried both |
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| [17:28:31] | Andycasss: | ahh wait a min |
| [17:28:34] | Andycasss: | damnit |
| [17:28:38] | Dagmar: | If ps -C mysqld turns up nothing then mysqld isn't running |
| [17:28:56] | Dagmar: | However, it's usually easier to check the init script and see if it supports a 'status' argument |
| [17:28:57] | Andycasss: | i recently flushed my interfaces config, i think i forgot to add lo interface |
| [17:29:04] | justinh: | doh! |
| [17:29:07] | justinh: | bingo |
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| [17:29:36] | clever_: | my lo has been missing 127.0.0.1 a few times |
| [17:29:48] | clever_: | on fresh installs by debootstrap |
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| [17:54:32] | Cyberai: | is it just me or is the mythtv-users digest not going out today? |
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| [18:05:07] | jawil: | which OS is best suited to be a dedicated mythtv system (back/frontend)? |
| [18:07:36] | Dagmar: | Linux |
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| [18:08:08] | jawil: | Dagmar, Linux is a kernel, not an operating system |
| [18:08:17] | Dagmar: | Wrong. |
| [18:08:34] | jawil: | fine, then let me rephrase |
| [18:08:49] | jawil: | which Linux distro is best suited to be a dedicated mythtv system (back/frontend)? |
| [18:09:26] | fedorared: | One that has myth packages. |
| [18:09:45] | jawil: | It's a question to which I know there is no definitely answer, I was just hoping for some healthy opinions |
| [18:10:00] | Cyberai: | jawil – it depends on your distro preferences |
| [18:10:04] | jawil: | currently I'm running Debian and I'm not very satisfied |
| [18:10:23] | jawil: | I'm sure I could get it more how I like it, but I don't want to spend an insane amount of time customizing it further |
| [18:10:30] | jawil: | I've reached the point of diminishing returns |
| [18:10:39] | Cyberai: | I personally like MythDora because I've had the fewest problems with it. But others swear by mythbuntu, knoppmyth, and all of the "roll your own" methods too. |
| [18:11:20] | Cyberai: | if your a debian person and OK with ubuntu, try mythbuntu |
| [18:12:10] | jawil: | Cyberai, I was looking at that actually... |
| [18:12:39] | Dagmar: | How about "Anything but Caldera" |
| [18:13:48] | jawil: | no SCO love? lol |
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| [18:14:06] | Dagmar: | Oh, I could think of a few more |
| [18:14:18] | Dagmar: | One that particularly sticks in my mind is a company who is still on kernel 2.6.9 |
| [18:14:25] | Dagmar: | I just can't remember their name at the moment. |
| [18:15:44] | AndyCap: | jawil: this is a good guide, but it's getting a little old. :/ but iirc he's working on mythdora now. http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php |
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| [18:36:22] | ma9mwah|c2d: | should vlc be able to view the steam asx file from mythweb? im getting a unsupported compression error |
| [18:39:49] | xris: | ma9mwah|c2d: depends on what format your recording files are |
| [18:39:54] | xris: | dunno if vlc can decode nuv |
| [18:40:11] | ma9mwah|c2d: | they are nuvs |
| [18:40:45] | ma9mwah|c2d: | is any player capable of playing them? |
| [18:41:17] | justinh: | mplayer |
| [18:41:57] | justinh: | anyway, it's but another reason why using framegrabbers is bad for you :) |
| [18:42:49] | ma9mwah|c2d: | hehe, i know. this is just a test system. when i get my main one built in be using 2 daul DVB-T tunners |
| [18:43:19] | ma9mwah|c2d: | though i might be able to get away with just one now that multirec is in. |
| [18:44:10] | justinh: | multirec is the rockingest feature mythtv has right now IMHO. other than storage groups. no more messing with lvm :) |
| [18:44:16] | xris: | mplayer sometimes. |
| [18:45:48] | xris: | I wonder if the hd homerun does multirec |
| [18:45:51] | xris: | probably not |
| [18:46:16] | Cyberai: | exactly what does lutirec do anyway? |
| [18:46:19] | Cyberai: | errr |
| [18:46:20] | justinh: | re linux distros.... probably best not to consider centos or dreamlinux if the people I've seen in here are anything to go by |
| [18:46:27] | justinh: | xris: not yet IIRC |
| [18:46:28] | Cyberai: | exactly what does multirec do anyway? |
| [18:46:57] | justinh: | Cyberai: multirec enables users of digital TV tuners to record more than one channel at the same time provided they're on the same transponder/multiplex |
| [18:46:57] | XLV: | The HDHomeRun external tuner is capable of supporting multirec, but the current version of the MythTV patch does not yet support it with that hardware. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Multirec |
| [18:47:17] | justinh: | XLV: it's a bit more than a patch ;) |
| [18:47:28] | xris: | Cyberai: basically lets you demultiplex a stream. very cool feature. |
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| [18:47:46] | xris: | now combine that with better support for overlapping shows for pre/post roll on the same channel, and it's a definite winner |
| [18:48:02] | xris: | XLV: that's cool. |
| [18:48:06] | Cyberai: | so basically a single card can record multiple channels at once provided it's QAM? |
| [18:48:12] | xris: | just suddenly thinking that a QAM tuner might be nice for some stuff. |
| [18:48:15] | justinh: | based on the fact that digital channels are generally compressed in mpeg2 & rammed into the same frequency space as one analogue channel.. |
| [18:48:27] | xris: | Cyberai: provided that the multiple channels are multiplexed into the same transport stream |
| [18:48:28] | justinh: | er.. a number of digital channels :) |
| [18:48:31] | ma9mwah|c2d: | mplayer, doesn't work either :( think i'll must wait till i have the DVB cards |
| [18:48:46] | ma9mwah|c2d: | does it then just record the files as mpeg2s? |
| [18:48:48] | XLV: | man.. we are so behind here.. only two 3 dvb-t channels, fta, no channel listing, even webpage grabbers dont work.. so justinh i just copied the wiki i havent played with multirec |
| [18:49:04] | justinh: | ma9mwah|c2d: it'll record in whatever format the programs come in. generally means mpeg2 |
| [18:49:10] | xris: | ma9mwah|c2d: framegrabbers record as mpeg4 or rtjpeg video inside of an nuv container |
| [18:49:27] | Cyberai: | xris, 90% of that went over my head, but I get the gist |
| [18:49:43] | justinh: | somebody said they were going to look at extending the software encoding into using more formats IIRC. dunno whatever happened to that |
| [18:49:50] | xris: | Cyberai: justinh described it better than I did |
| [18:49:50] | Cyberai: | now if only my cableco didn't make it completely impossible to use a QAM tuner :) |
| [18:50:52] | justinh: | YMMV with QAM |
| [18:50:55] | Cyberai: | myth's scanner found 4 of the 150+ digital channels I am supposed to get. I used all the methods on the wiki and got nothing more. |
| [18:51:06] | justinh: | Cyberai: probably encrippled then |
| [18:51:09] | XLV: | justinh, whats the limitation of different channels crammed into one frequency? |
| [18:51:12] | Cyberai: | maximum suckage |
| [18:51:12] | xris: | Cyberai: oh? usually the local broadcast HD are available in clear QAM |
| [18:51:17] | XLV: | i mean max number |
| [18:51:35] | Cyberai: | xris, i can't get the boradcast because there's a big fat building in the way |
| [18:51:57] | xris: | Cyberai: thus looking for them in QAM |
| [18:52:18] | justinh: | XLV: limitation? maximum theoretical bitrate of one multiplex/transponder. depends on the transmission method, modulation scheme. typically dvb-t gives you a max of about 34mbits/sec so in the UK we tend to get 5 or 6 channels per multiplex |
| [18:52:36] | Cyberai: | and my cablco CCI bit protects ABC and about 80% of my other HD channels. I can only get NBC and CBS and that's through the STB/firewire. When that new hauppage card hits the market I'm going to be a very early adopter. |
| [18:52:56] | justinh: | satellite can carry more channels per transponder, as can cable sometimes |
| [18:53:25] | justinh: | Cyberai: bear in mind the decoding requirements for h.264 are massive compared to mpeg2 |
| [18:53:57] | Cyberai: | I should be OK, I'm using an AMD FX60 dual core |
| [18:54:04] | justinh: | but if it's encoded in slices (which I believe the hauppauge component HD box will) you can use a threaded player to offload onto more cores |
| [18:54:10] | Cyberai: | I've played a few h.264 fiels without problems |
| [18:54:13] | justinh: | Cyberai: not til mythtv supports threaded playback officially |
| [18:54:35] | Cyberai: | oh crud |
| [18:54:43] | xris: | Cyberai: that sucks about the encryption. |
| [18:54:57] | justinh: | it's coming.. just a bit of a way off. a patch is available but it needs work done on it to make it ok for everybody |
| [18:55:35] | Cyberai: | well, I spoke to Hauppage via email and they promised me the new HD-PVR will be available in March with Linux support. I'm hoping a patch etc is ready by then. |
| [18:55:39] | ** xris wants mythffmpeg.... heh ** | |
| [18:56:25] | justinh: | maybe if the ffmpeg devs would stop rewriting bits of it so often.. ;) |
| [18:56:41] | blackest: | Is 36 quid a reasonable price for a 160 gb hd ? |
| [18:56:45] | justinh: | the command syntax changes every 5 minutes, it seems |
| [18:56:58] | justinh: | blackest: yeah, but the best price per gb is 500 or 750 right now |
| [18:57:42] | blackest: | i got my technomate today but i need to add in a hdd that should give enough storage really |
| [18:57:58] | blackest: | its either that or 4gb |
| [18:58:16] | justinh: | blackest: scan are doing 160GB for a little less than 36 squids, so 36 is ok |
| [18:58:18] | blackest: | everything big i've got is in use |
| [18:58:43] | Cyberai: | justinh, do you know if the PCI version of the HD-PVR from Hauppage will deliver a non-sliced encoding? Sure would be nice if it delivered a clean file. |
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| [18:58:55] | justinh: | there's gonna be a pci version? |
| [18:58:59] | Cyberai: | yes |
| [18:59:03] | blackest: | it'll hold a good few hours of recordings i should think and i cant get a better price till monday |
| [18:59:15] | Cyberai: | as I understand it there's a USB and a PCI version |
| [18:59:16] | justinh: | presumably it'll be the same chipset Cyberai – should do the same as the USB one |
| [18:59:25] | Cyberai: | el-sucko |
| [18:59:33] | justinh: | Cyberai: their press release only mentioned the USB one |
| [18:59:46] | justinh: | Cyberai: no, sliced encoding is _good_ ! |
| [18:59:58] | Cyberai: | exactly what is "slicing"? anyway? Is the file choppped up and then assembled according to some scheme or master file? |
| [19:00:02] | justinh: | Cyberai: if it's not in slices, you get no benefit throwing more cores at it |
| [19:00:16] | Cyberai: | I am clueless on slicing |
| [19:00:36] | justinh: | I don't know much about it other than threaded players can only make use of the slicey type |
| [19:01:19] | justinh: | all the hd disc formats & broadcast uses sliced formats. it's those nasty warez videos which tend not to apparently – they've been dirtily re-encoded |
| [19:02:35] | Cyberai: | hmm, sounds like the video is broken into multiple streams that represent different components of the image. The seperate slices go to diff cores and can be re-assembles on the back end and interleaved. |
| [19:02:43] | justinh: | just about it |
| [19:02:50] | Cyberai: | interesting concept |
| [19:03:05] | justinh: | makes for more robust transmission apparently too |
| [19:03:19] | Cyberai: | yeha, that will turn a fast P4 into a 386 pretty quick |
| [19:03:35] | XLV: | http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/ . . . 226007649831 |
| [19:03:42] | Cyberai: | or in laymans terms, Einstien becomes his retarded half brother |
| [19:04:01] | justinh: | Cyberai: been told a core2 duo 1.8ghz is enough with both cores in use – that's for 1080p h.264 AVC – allegedly |
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| [19:04:51] | Cyberai: | kewl, my FX60 is technically at 2.6Ghz |
| [19:05:01] | justinh: | Cyberai: bitrate can also be a killer |
| [19:05:01] | Cyberai: | and I run 1080p |
| [19:05:33] | justinh: | HD doovde can be wacky like 50mbits/sec, so I heard |
| [19:05:49] | Cyberai: | I'm always amazed at how the FX60 whomps on faster CPU's when doing media. AMD designed it for media/gaming. Too bad the whole concept line died for lack of interest. |
| [19:05:57] | justinh: | roll on some decent GPU video acceleration |
| [19:06:30] | justinh: | unleash the onboard h.264 processing |
| [19:08:47] | jduggan_: | omfg |
| [19:09:03] | jduggan_: | 2gb matched pair 800mhz corsair is 31quid |
| [19:09:17] | ** jduggan_ wonders how prices come down so much ** | |
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| [19:10:41] | Cyberai: | hardware is like stupid cheap right now |
| [19:11:05] | Cyberai: | look at this -> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searc . . . 459-1236%20H |
| [19:11:41] | jduggan_: | jesus |
| [19:11:44] | Cyberai: | it's a freaking HD MythBox for $99 USD. Just add RAM/HD/Tuners. |
| [19:11:44] | jduggan_: | thats 50quid |
| [19:12:00] | jduggan_: | i spent more on a meal for me and the missus |
| [19:12:10] | jduggan_: | next weekend she can starve |
| [19:12:11] | jduggan_: | ;) |
| [19:12:13] | Cyberai: | a smart shopper could build a very poswerful box for under $400 USD |
| [19:12:24] | jduggan_: | truedat |
| [19:12:56] | Cyberai: | wait, I just looked at that apge again, it has RAM, one GB. So add a Gig to be sure and go. |
| [19:13:02] | jduggan_: | all im gonna say tho.. thats one butt-ugly case ;) |
| [19:13:23] | Cyberai: | eh, stick it in the back of the TV and runt eh DVD drive up front on a USB cable. |
| [19:13:44] | jduggan_: | sure |
| [19:14:16] | Cyberai: | my box is one of those hidious gaming boxes. I keep it in the cabinet region of my Armiore and have the DVD drive up by the TV on top. I just have the back of the Armiore ventiated to keep it cool. |
| [19:14:45] | Cyberai: | the vastly reduced "little blue light" factor keeps the mjissus happy. |
| [19:15:08] | jduggan_: | i have a shitty mini-tower case hidden behind a tv unit |
| [19:15:22] | jduggan_: | just waiting for a cheap antec to pop up somewhere |
| [19:15:35] | XLV: | http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/08/shuttle-la . . . rebones-kit/ that should do for a low-power/low-noise frontend too |
| [19:15:52] | justinh: | low power == crap |
| [19:16:16] | justinh: | low heat == good, low noise == good |
| [19:16:27] | justinh: | mo cycles ftw! |
| [19:16:33] | jduggan_: | only thing i have against those shuttle is if the hardware dies ur screwed |
| [19:16:33] | Cyberai: | lol |
| [19:16:45] | jduggan_: | throw the case, get a new one |
| [19:16:51] | Cyberai: | dunno, my desktop is a shuttle and it's been a champ for 3 years now |
| [19:17:06] | justinh: | from one ex-epia user, take it from me. there's no substitute for raw processing |
| [19:17:31] | justinh: | until such time as GPU assisted video decoding in linux is viable and possible |
| [19:17:32] | XLV: | http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/01/25/first_look_shuttle_kpc/ |
| [19:17:35] | Cyberai: | one thing though, when you getg a shuttle, immediately replace the fan. They use sh*t fans and they all die in a month or two. |
| [19:17:38] | XLV: | it supports c2d |
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| [19:19:13] | justinh: | not as slim as a mac mini though eh |
| [19:19:38] | XLV: | mac mini should be pricier that this though |
| [19:19:52] | justinh: | I'm of the mindset where there's a noisy backend upstairs in a big ugly box & a nifty little frontend in the lounge |
| [19:20:35] | justinh: | 3 tuners & 1.5TB of HDD under the TV is gonna get warm. cooling that with it in full view.. oof. pricey or impractical – or both |
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| [19:21:02] | justinh: | XLV: yeah but the mac mini is so diddy :) |
| [19:21:28] | XLV: | diddy? like that ass raper that changed his stage name every 6 months |
| [19:21:30] | justinh: | ooo only one hate email today. nice |
| [19:21:49] | XLV: | raper as in plays rap music ;-) |
| [19:21:53] | justinh: | diddy == petite / small / cute |
| [19:22:22] | Cyberai: | my daughter is only 4'11", everyone calls her 'lil bit' |
| [19:22:23] | justinh: | not diddy as in sean 'puffy' (talentless, surrounded by sycophants) coombs |
| [19:23:15] | Cyberai: | she got herself a mini cooper this year, had it put on her license palte |
| [19:23:19] | Cyberai: | err plate |
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| [19:23:30] | justinh: | 99 dollars for that barebones? not bad at all |
| [19:23:43] | justinh: | pick up a cheapish c2d on the fleabay, add ram – badabing |
| [19:23:58] | Cyberai: | yeah, it's a heck of a deal. I keep lookin at it and trying to justify buying it |
| [19:24:02] | justinh: | bet it retails for at least £100 in the UK though |
| [19:24:10] | justinh: | that's $200 US |
| [19:24:21] | code-r: | When configuing a Myth Back End to work with a nother pc that runs Myth Frontend and Back end, do you have to NFS mount all the MasterBackend paths? |
| [19:24:47] | justinh: | code-r: not the tv recordings paths no. they can be streamed automagicamally |
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| [19:24:53] | Cyberai: | justinh, I considered moving to the UK for a year. If you work it right, when you move back they have to match your salary in the US and you double what you made in the UK. |
| [19:25:18] | justinh: | I'd have to be paid more than double to move to the US |
| [19:25:44] | Cyberai: | depends on where you live |
| [19:25:58] | justinh: | no, that's just to tempt me, nothing to do with the cost of living |
| [19:26:15] | Cyberai: | ah well, I'm a biug fan. But to each their own. |
| [19:26:30] | justinh: | nice place to visit though |
| [19:26:49] | justinh: | not that I've been since you got the bottom inspectors in at customs |
| [19:27:54] | Cyberai: | lol, it's not as bad as you'd think. The press makes it out to be a lot worse than it really is. |
| [19:28:08] | code-r: | any one.. nfs ?? please? |
| [19:28:18] | Cyberai: | 99% of the time you take off your shoes, get the wand waved over you and you're off. |
| [19:28:20] | justinh: | code-r: not the tv recordings paths no. they can be streamed automagicamally |
| [19:29:11] | justinh: | code-r: mythvideo & the rest of the plugins will need to be shared somehow though. best to put them all on the same path on every system too |
| [19:29:36] | justinh: | e.g. if videos are in /myth/video on one box, export that & mount it to /myth/video on the other boxes |
| [19:30:49] | justinh: | you don't need to share the tv recording dirs but bear in mind myth looks for them locally first – and if the hostnames are the same on the backend as the frontend... it won't stream them & will fail to find the recordings |
| [19:32:23] | justinh: | code-r: you got all that? |
| [19:32:52] | code-r: | justdave: yeh i think i got it.... |
| [19:33:01] | code-r: | justinh: umm i guess whats the best set up for this: |
| [19:33:21] | code-r: | justinh: i have 2 backends (master+mysql+tuner) and (slave+big harddrive) |
| [19:33:28] | code-r: | the big harddrive is a Front End as well |
| [19:33:49] | code-r: | i need to nfsmount the front end for the backend to be able to record to that nice big hd right? |
| [19:34:22] | justinh: | code-r: yeah I think so |
| [19:34:29] | code-r: | hmm. k |
| [19:34:41] | code-r: | will myth cont the nfs mounted drive as a remote drive? |
| [19:34:46] | justinh: | only ran a slave backend once but it had local storage |
| [19:35:11] | justinh: | code-r: should treat it like any other storage |
| [19:35:41] | code-r: | justinh: i was reading on docs about myth prioritizing writing to storage based one seveal features, on was "remote" |
| [19:36:00] | XLV: | since the big hd pc doesnt have a tuner, why a backend on it is needed? wouldnt a nfs export to the pc with the tuner be enough? |
| [19:36:12] | justinh: | XLV: should be :) |
| [19:36:31] | code-r: | XLV: there is a tuner in the front end to ;) |
| [19:36:45] | code-r: | just not working yet lol |
| [19:36:47] | code-r: | (dam beta drivers) |
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| [19:54:15] | jarle: | What do I need to install to enable encrypted DVD playback? |
| [19:54:28] | xand: | Windows |
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| [19:54:51] | Dagmar: | jarle: we can't really help you with this, but Google can. EASILY |
| [19:55:22] | Daviey: | If i'm connected to a freenode server in europe, can i tell him the answer :D |
| [19:55:42] | Dagmar: | It's kinda a matter of drawing heat to the channel, itself. |
| [19:55:48] | jarle: | Dagmar: found it :) |
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| [19:56:18] | Daviey: | !JFGI wins again :) |
| [19:56:41] | Dagmar: | We're not doing anything illegal here, but it's arguable enough to let a sleazy law firm (like what certain big media companies employ) drag a bunch of people into court and wipe out their savings with legal fees. |
| [19:57:22] | Dagmar: | So... best to just keep things lily-white |
| [19:57:51] | Daviey: | Especially those companies that make more profit from civil cases than they do from product sales :( |
| [19:57:57] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [19:58:08] | Dagmar: | Trolls sometimes have a law degree. |
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| [20:04:13] | GreyFoxx: | |
| [20:05:46] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [20:05:48] | Dagmar: | http://www.zareason.com/shop/product.php?prod . . . 0&page=1 |
| [20:06:39] | Dagmar: | More power to 'em |
| [20:07:02] | Dagmar: | I'll email later tonight and badger about why no PVR-500 option, just PVR-150 |
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| [20:10:19] | CCFL_Man2: | GreyFoxx: my dish is pointed to ku AMC 1 |
| [20:11:16] | CCFL_Man2: | none of my irds decode 4:2:2 mpeg video though |
| [20:11:31] | CCFL_Man2: | so i can't watch the nbc news feeds |
| [20:12:13] | CCFL_Man2: | err, nbc feeds |
| [20:13:00] | CCFL_Man2: | the nbc news feeds are cool, i saw a short clip of a shot from a helicopter, the announcer was saying "test 1 2", etc |
| [20:13:18] | Dagmar: | Just be sure to not react if anything weird happens |
| [20:13:42] | Dagmar: | When Reagan was president, he had an odd sense of humor. |
| [20:14:00] | Dagmar: | I was watching one of the raw feeds before a press conference, and he had himself a little giggle... |
| [20:14:19] | Dagmar: | He sat up straight, cleared his throat, and announced in one hour we would begin bombing Russia. |
| [20:14:33] | CCFL_Man2: | haha |
| [20:14:33] | Dagmar: | THEN someone told him the cameras were actually on already. |
| [20:14:36] | skippy: | "I have just passed legislation outlawing Russia" |
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| [20:14:43] | CCFL_Man2: | LOL |
| [20:14:59] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: that on old analog c band feeds? |
| [20:15:00] | Dagmar: | I was already halfway to the phone to call everyone I knew |
| [20:15:02] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [20:15:08] | CCFL_Man2: | LOL |
| [20:15:22] | Dagmar: | This was a VERY short time after seeing the shuttle blow up, and knowing it was wrong WAY before anyone on the ground knew |
| [20:15:30] | Tobias92: | Dear mythtv-users, I followed a howto on the dutch wiki telling me how to add a grabber. I installed tv_grab_nl_py, but it does not appear in my list of available grabbers, like it should. What could be the cause? |
| [20:15:34] | Dagmar: | Raw feeds again there |
| [20:15:52] | CCFL_Man2: | raw feeds are cool |
| [20:16:31] | CCFL_Man2: | nbc broadcasts them now on ku band |
| [20:17:06] | CCFL_Man2: | though the nbc feeds are 4:2:2 mpeg video, my ird can't decode that |
| [20:17:34] | CCFL_Man2: | the news feeds are in regular 4:2:0 |
| [20:17:49] | CCFL_Man2: | Dagmar: too bad you never taped that |
| [20:18:17] | Dagmar: | Too right |
| [20:19:44] | CCFL_Man2: | the nbc feeds now have a super low symbol rate, 4232 |
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| [20:22:22] | TUplink: | hi all im trying to get mythweather revamt to work.... im on fedora core 8 used atrpms to install myth i downloaded the svn plugins... but it bails out with this error ERROR: mythconfig.mak not found at /usr/include/mythtv/mythconfig.mak anyway i can fake this file |
| [20:22:38] | TUplink: | i dont want to install myth from svn |
| [20:22:46] | TUplink: | just weather |
| [20:23:58] | Dagmar: | You can't crossbreed them like that afaik |
| [20:26:16] | TUplink: | um...... well IDK why not :P |
| [20:26:25] | TUplink: | im trying to just make mythweather now |
| [20:26:44] | iamlindoro__: | because SVN plugins rely on SVN libmyth |
| [20:26:46] | TUplink: | didnt know i could qmake the .pro file |
| [20:27:24] | fedorared: | atrpms packages mythweather |
| [20:27:45] | TUplink: | i think thats the old one still isnt it |
| [20:28:00] | fedorared: | What's wrong with it? |
| [20:28:11] | TUplink: | it uses the MSNBC weather |
| [20:28:19] | TUplink: | its the origianl weather plugin |
| [20:28:33] | TUplink: | inlise it picked up that one from another repo |
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| [20:29:12] | TUplink: | im reinstalling the one from atrpms and ill try it 1st |
| [20:29:25] | iamlindoro__: | Like Dagmar and I said before, SVN plugins rely on SVN libmythtv, you won't be able to mix the two |
| [20:29:33] | fedorared: | What version do you require? |
| [20:29:52] | TUplink: | belive im on .20 |
| [20:30:21] | TUplink: | yea its the old one |
| [20:30:39] | iamlindoro__: | The only way you will be able to get mythweather is by upgrading your whole setup to trunk. Or wait for .21. |
| [20:30:56] | TUplink: | well how far away is .21 |
| [20:31:03] | iamlindoro__: | In the next few months. |
| [20:31:12] | TUplink: | well thats a long time off |
| [20:31:24] | TUplink: | how do i install G++ |
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| [20:32:06] | iamlindoro__: | I would go to a distro-specific channel to figure that out |
| [20:32:22] | Guyfromhe: | yay it's totally been workiung |
| [20:32:49] | TUplink: | :P think i figured that out |
| [20:33:12] | TUplink: | yum install gcc |
| [20:33:54] | GreyFoxx: | TUplink: it's 1–2 months away at this point |
| [20:34:05] | TUplink: | hum.... |
| [20:34:13] | GreyFoxx: | feature freeze is likely any day now |
| [20:34:16] | TUplink: | and do i really need weather |
| [20:34:18] | TUplink: | haha |
| [20:34:18] | GreyFoxx: | with just bug fixes going in |
| [20:34:24] | TUplink: | i just wanted it all to work |
| [20:34:32] | TUplink: | ill wait then |
| [20:34:40] | TUplink: | cuz at this point its a lost cause |
| [20:36:35] | TUplink: | alight guys thanks for the advice |
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| [20:51:16] | jawil: | is it possible to hook up a game console (say a PSOne) to the RCA jacks on my PVR-500 and play it like I would on a regular TV? |
| [20:51:56] | xand: | jawil: that's not what mythtv is for |
| [20:52:04] | xand: | other programs do that. |
| [20:53:23] | jawil: | figured as much |
| [20:54:28] | jawil: | well then, would it be possible to launch said external program from mythtv via a added menu item from a plugin? |
| [20:55:23] | Dagmar: | HAHAH |
| [20:55:30] | Dagmar: | That's not the LEAST of the problem |
| [20:55:50] | Dagmar: | Remember, you're not seeing the video in realtime through a PVR-x50 card. |
| [20:56:06] | jawil: | Dagmar, that's what I was worried about |
| [20:56:16] | Dagmar: | You would find most videogames to be hideously unplayable with ~1s (1000ms ping) lag |
| [20:56:26] | Dagmar: | ...but it's funny to spring that s**t on your friends. |
| [20:56:31] | Dagmar: | ...when they're drunk. |
| [20:56:50] | jawil: | indeed... hmmmm |
| [20:56:52] | Dagmar: | That's downright hilarious actually |
| [20:57:38] | jawil: | anyways, just switched from debian to mythbuntu, got to go get things all set up |
| [21:02:11] | justinh: | that's yer one good use for framegrabber cards right there – using as 'live' inputs – of course you never add them to mythtv itself |
| [21:02:58] | AndyCap: | if you want to play games, get a framegrabber and run tvtime. |
| [21:03:05] | Dagmar: | If you were desperate for recording gameplay tho |
| [21:03:09] | AndyCap: | or, you know, connect it to the tv |
| [21:03:14] | Dagmar: | You wouldn't have to do some kind of splitter |
| [21:03:42] | justinh: | you can't just split video signals |
| [21:03:52] | justinh: | switch them between destinations sure |
| [21:04:24] | Dagmar: | The lamegrabber card is about the only way to record gameplay on a console without splitting the signal tho |
| [21:04:26] | justinh: | double-terminated video looks pretty nasty – triple terminated even more so :P |
| [21:04:52] | jawil: | AndyCap, not using a TV, using a 19" PC monitor I already had, can't afford anything else atm |
| [21:05:32] | justinh: | see every consumer video input in the world terminates the video signal with 75 ohms, and the end driving it expects to see only 75 ohms. double terminate & your nice 1 volt peak to peak video signal goes to 0.5v peak to peak |
| [21:05:37] | AndyCap: | jawil: well, spending your money on a pvr-500 was not good for your gameplay. |
| [21:06:17] | Dagmar: | Yeah, well, people are practically giving away lamegrabbers now. Heh |
| [21:06:21] | justinh: | AndyCap: at least not as far as using it in linux is concerned |
| [21:06:32] | Dagmar: | If he lived near me I'd probably give him one of mine |
| [21:06:32] | jawil: | AndyCap, touche, but this setup is only for my apartment living room so all my roomates can watch, I've got a decent TV in my room for gaming |
| [21:06:46] | XLV: | or just get a external pc monitor tuner with inputs for consoles |
| [21:07:15] | justinh: | oh nah. there's snah |
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| [21:50:10] | Yggdrasil: | hello can somone help me, i had a problem with my box and it has recorded a bunch of stuff . but they are all 0 mb in size, basicly jsut blank files. is there an sql script i can run that will go thru and remove any recording and set rerecord for files that are 0 bytes ? |
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| [21:51:48] | xris: | Yggdrasil: easy enough to do it with mythweb |
| [21:52:11] | Yggdrasil: | well i occasionally find files that ar e 0 |
| [21:52:16] | Yggdrasil: | bytes at least 2 a day |
| [21:52:22] | xris: | firewire recording? |
| [21:52:23] | Yggdrasil: | and id like to cron such a beast if i could |
| [21:52:27] | Yggdrasil: | no |
| [21:52:29] | Yggdrasil: | its dvbs |
| [21:52:37] | hatchmt: | Is it possible to get a video file encoded with 5.1 channel AAC sound to be decoded as multi-channel by a receiver over optical? |
| [21:52:41] | xris: | odd. I thought that was only a firewire bug |
| [21:52:42] | Yggdrasil: | so it doesnt always .. pick up whats its trying to get |
| [21:52:50] | Yggdrasil: | its a signal problem |
| [21:52:51] | hatchmt: | or do I need to use 5 discreet inputs to the receiver to get that to work? |
| [21:53:02] | xris: | Yggdrasil: there are a couple of bugs about that behavior.. hoping to get them fixed before .21 comes out in a few weeks |
| [21:53:19] | Yggdrasil: | mmm |
| [21:53:26] | Yggdrasil: | well im wondering if theres some sql thing |
| [21:53:37] | Yggdrasil: | i jsut sit here and dod it manually |
| [21:53:59] | xris: | file size isn't in the db |
| [21:54:06] | Yggdrasil: | ahh i see |
| [21:54:14] | Yggdrasil: | it would have to be something fairly advanced then |
| [21:54:16] | xris: | I just manage mine through mythweb |
| [21:54:31] | xris: | perl bindings could do it easily enough, but you'll have to wait for .21 for that |
| [21:54:34] | Yggdrasil: | thanks |
| [21:55:04] | Yggdrasil: | its the spot beams |
| [21:55:08] | Yggdrasil: | it scans the channel in |
| [21:55:15] | Yggdrasil: | but its not enough signal to actually get it |
| [21:55:30] | Yggdrasil: | among other things... |
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| [21:59:12] | astyler: | I'm having a problem with tuners |
| [22:00:07] | astyler: | I have a the pchdtv5500 tuner that does NTSC and ATSC, and I set up an Analog Source (sched.direct) and a QAM source (EIT only)' |
| [22:00:33] | astyler: | i bound the QAM source to the DVB tuner, and the Analog to the v4l Tuner and feteched/scanned channels on each |
| [22:01:08] | astyler: | My problem is watching on either tuner lists all the channels, even the channels only bound to the other tuner |
| [22:01:40] | astyler: | accidentally tuning to an analog channel on my dvb (qam) tuner crashes my client and puts static on my sound until I reboot |
| [22:02:00] | astyler: | and vice-versa, tuning to a QAM channel on my NTSC tuner crashes client |
| [22:02:19] | astyler: | is there a way to have channels only show up on a particular tuner? |
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| [22:02:55] | Yggdrasil: | sounds like a |
| [22:03:05] | Yggdrasil: | issue iwht your input sources |
| [22:04:40] | Yggdrasil: | if i were you i would back up the database |
| [22:04:47] | Yggdrasil: | and then start from scratch wit ha fresh database |
| [22:04:51] | Yggdrasil: | and readd those inputs a |
| [22:04:55] | Yggdrasil: | and sources |
| [22:06:26] | astyler: | :( |
| [22:06:33] | Yggdrasil: | what ? |
| [22:07:02] | astyler: | thats a pain cause SD fetching doesnt actually work for me, it's going DataDirect (NA), using my SD login, but then I have to manually edit every channel by hand |
| [22:07:14] | astyler: | mythfilldatabase --manual |
| [22:07:33] | Yggdrasil: | oh yea |
| [22:07:35] | Yggdrasil: | hmmm |
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| [22:07:52] | Yggdrasil: | thats rpobobly the root of your problem |
| [22:08:03] | astyler: | might be |
| [22:08:11] | Yggdrasil: | but i know that the src |
| [22:08:15] | astyler: | that might add those analog channels to all tuners |
| [22:08:30] | Yggdrasil: | connects the channel in the guide to the right card |
| [22:08:35] | sphery: | To fix input connections issues: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [22:08:39] | astyler: | although in channel editor the sources have the correct channels and are mutually exclusive |
| [22:08:42] | Yggdrasil: | see i have one tuner and four satelite dishes |
| [22:08:52] | sphery: | If you're using analog, do /not/ use scan for channels. |
| [22:09:02] | astyler: | Yes, i don't scan for channels |
| [22:09:07] | sphery: | (assuming North America since you're using SD) |
| [22:09:18] | sphery: | still, check out that post |
| [22:09:19] | astyler: | right, except SD fetching yields nothing for me |
| [22:09:39] | Yggdrasil: | how many channels are yo utalking aobut ? |
| [22:09:39] | astyler: | I had to change the source to DataDirect North America and use my SD login in the terminal |
| [22:09:40] | sphery: | because you're using digital? |
| [22:09:51] | astyler: | nope, analog |
| [22:09:54] | sphery: | datadirect is old. SD is new. |
| [22:10:07] | sphery: | if you have a version of myth with datadirect support, you need to upgrade |
| [22:10:12] | astyler: | yeah, but SD fetching wouldn't give anything |
| [22:10:29] | astyler: | im running the newest mythtv, datadirect is the 12th possible source |
| [22:10:30] | sphery: | if you have a version with SD only (no datadirect), it will |
| [22:10:40] | astyler: | after japan, italy, etc |
| [22:10:52] | sphery: | that's because you have XMLTV installed? |
| [22:10:58] | astyler: | probably |
| [22:11:01] | sphery: | tv_grab_na_dd |
| [22:11:03] | astyler: | should I not? |
| [22:11:11] | astyler: | yeah I installed that to check my SD login |
| [22:11:12] | sphery: | well, you shouldn't be using it for Myth |
| [22:11:16] | astyler: | as per the SD forums |
| [22:11:19] | astyler: | ah |
| [22:11:26] | sphery: | you need to use the SD one only |
| [22:11:29] | sphery: | not the tv_grab_na_dd |
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| [22:11:39] | astyler: | with all the trouble Im having setting up im considering going 32bit |
| [22:12:09] | sphery: | (i.e. the one labelled "North America (SchedulesDirect.org) (Internal)" |
| [22:12:12] | astyler: | should I use the latest MythTV weekly build or the release? |
| [22:12:23] | sphery: | don't use 0.20.2 |
| [22:12:31] | sphery: | use the mythtv 0.20-fixes latest |
| [22:12:31] | astyler: | That is still in my mythtv, and with my login and everything will yield my lineup list |
| [22:12:55] | astyler: | only when fetching from my lineup I get no channels |
| [22:13:09] | sphery: | are you using a cable box with firewire? |
| [22:13:15] | sphery: | what are your capture cards? |
| [22:13:27] | astyler: | I have a pchdtv 5500 in PCI |
| [22:13:34] | astyler: | single combo tuner |
| [22:13:41] | sphery: | using the analog side? |
| [22:13:53] | sphery: | i.e. the V4L part? |
| [22:13:58] | astyler: | yeah I'm connecting this source to the v4L Television sub-tuner |
| [22:14:34] | justinh: | ugh |
| [22:14:41] | sphery: | I don't know how to get that part working, but it's likely that you're suffering an issue because you have a digital capture card but you're trying not to use it. |
| [22:15:18] | justinh: | in anything but svn trunk you can't really use hybrid cards like that properly anyway |
| [22:15:24] | astyler: | hm? the tuners work when the DVB digital tunes to QAM256 and the v4l Analog tunes to NTSC channels |
| [22:15:27] | sphery: | Myth refuses to add new channels for digital sources, so it seems you may have found an issue or you're using an old version of Myth (i.e. the release version) which definitely /did/ have an issue with that situation. |
| [22:15:47] | astyler: | ok |
| [22:15:52] | astyler: | these are the steps i want to take |
| [22:15:54] | sphery: | what version of myth are you trying to install? |
| [22:16:04] | astyler: | a release version |
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| [22:16:11] | sphery: | as in 0.20.2? |
| [22:16:13] | sphery: | or 0.20-fixes? |
| [22:16:16] | astyler: | I want to wipe my database, remove my mythtv installation completely |
| [22:16:17] | justinh: | astyler: thing is in older versions than svn trunk, myth doesn't know the inputs are on the same card – it can't know |
| [22:16:21] | sphery: | you /need/ 0.20-fixes |
| [22:16:28] | sphery: | 0.20.2 will /not/ work in your case |
| [22:16:30] | astyler: | ok |
| [22:16:36] | astyler: | how do i check my version? |
| [22:16:44] | sphery: | is it a package? |
| [22:16:55] | sphery: | i.e. RPM or something? |
| [22:17:23] | astyler: | oh no, I installed from a mythbuntu livecd |
| [22:17:31] | astyler: | then apt-get updated everything |
| [22:17:46] | sphery: | I would guess that's the latest 0.20-fixes |
| [22:17:53] | sphery: | but I don't know Ubuntu |
| [22:17:58] | astyler: | ah |
| [22:18:12] | astyler: | ok, so lets say I wanted to completely remove mythtv |
| [22:18:16] | astyler: | and wipe the database |
| [22:18:39] | astyler: | sudo apt-get remove mythtv? |
| [22:18:40] | sphery: | I would highly recommend going to the ubuntu mythtv channel (don't remember the name) and getting some help to make sure you're using the right package |
| [22:18:47] | justinh: | #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [22:18:49] | sphery: | (latest 0.20-fixes) |
| [22:18:55] | sphery: | thx, justinh |
| [22:19:07] | ** justinh points the sign that-a-way >>>>> ** | |
| [22:19:12] | astyler: | yeah that channel is largely dead |
| [22:19:13] | sphery: | they may also be able to help you get it going |
| [22:19:23] | sphery: | but, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 will wipe the broken inputs from your DB |
| [22:19:51] | justinh: | sphery: I get http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 .. command not found :( |
| [22:19:55] | justinh: | :P |
| [22:19:55] | sphery: | to wipe the whole DB, you'd need to do a "DROP DATABASE mythconverg;" |
| [22:20:01] | astyler: | ok |
| [22:20:02] | sphery: | lol |
| [22:20:22] | sphery: | got to work on my virii-writing skills |
| [22:20:31] | astyler: | so would you recommend grabbing that -fixes or the weekly build? |
| [22:20:46] | astyler: | if i were to try a full wipe |
| [22:20:55] | sphery: | if the weekly is a weekly of trunk, you're probably better off with -fixes |
| [22:21:12] | sphery: | there's more support vehicles available for it |
| [22:21:16] | astyler: | ok |
| [22:21:40] | sphery: | (though in a couple of months, rumor has it that what's now in trunk will be in 0.21-fixes :) |
| [22:22:45] | justinh: | isn't there also some peculiarity about scanning digital channels & making them work with the EPG grabber? |
| [22:22:45] | astyler: | hmm |
| [22:23:27] | sphery: | Yeah. The problem is that he's trying to use the analog side of the pcHDTV HD-5500 (so he shouldn't be scanning). |
| [22:23:58] | astyler: | which, by the way, is awful |
| [22:24:03] | sphery: | There was an issue with 0.20.2 that prevented Myth from adding new channels in that situation, but it's been fixed at least for some of the cases. |
| [22:24:15] | astyler: | the decoder is pretty poor |
| [22:24:18] | sphery: | you said you have QAM channels available, right? |
| [22:24:24] | sphery: | why not just do the digital? |
| [22:24:26] | astyler: | yeah |
| [22:24:39] | astyler: | well that gives me CBS, NBC, ABC, and FOX |
| [22:24:45] | astyler: | all hi-def and works well |
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| [22:24:53] | sphery: | trying to get analog versions of channels whose digital versions are encrypted? |
| [22:25:07] | sphery: | like Discovery, etc.? |
| [22:25:09] | astyler: | yeah, comcast is only leaving the free OTA channels unencrypted on QAM |
| [22:25:21] | astyler: | comedy central, cartoon network, are all analog only |
| [22:25:53] | sphery: | Well, there's probably a way to fix it. IMHO, $50 for a Hauppauge PVR-150 is a /lot/ cheaper than the time it could take (and has the benefit of offloading MPEG-encoding). |
| [22:26:10] | astyler: | :( |
| [22:26:21] | astyler: | Yeah i considers a separate analog card |
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| [22:26:47] | astyler: | but I'm limited to low-profile and 1 PCI slot |
| [22:27:54] | sphery: | I think the LP is avaiable. I'm guessing, though, you mean 1 PCI slot for analog /and/ digital... |
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| [22:28:14] | sphery: | looks like the LP 150 is about $75 |
| [22:28:16] | astyler: | well 1 total, and the pchdtv5500 is in it right now |
| [22:28:28] | astyler: | and they have terrible support/.returns |
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| [22:28:54] | sphery: | I have 2 backends each with 5 PCI slots (and each using 2 HD-3000's for digital capture only). |
| [22:29:09] | sphery: | Didn't want to have the small case restrictions |
| [22:29:16] | astyler: | yeah |
| [22:29:40] | astyler: | I jumped on board to this whole thing when I saw asus released a motherboard with HDMI output |
| [22:29:41] | sphery: | so I decided to put the backends in another room from my TV/speakers (frontend, too), so it can be as loud/ugly as necessary |
| [22:30:00] | astyler: | well, I do have another really powerful machine with free pci slots |
| [22:30:11] | sphery: | ... |
| [22:30:17] | astyler: | .. that is running windows |
| [22:30:18] | sphery: | good place to put the backend... |
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| [22:30:37] | sphery: | don't worry... Ubuntu's CD can remove that for you. :) |
| [22:30:46] | astyler: | aw thats not the solution i wanted to hear |
| [22:31:07] | sphery: | In truth, though, you don't need a powerful machine for a dedicated backend if using hardware encoders and/or digital capture cards. |
| [22:31:22] | sphery: | neither of my 2 backends can decode the TV they record in real time |
| [22:31:38] | astyler: | so wait |
| [22:31:49] | sphery: | they both take about 2x as long to commflag shows as the show (i.e. a 1-hour show can take up to 2 hours to commflag) |
| [22:31:50] | astyler: | if im bringing in a digital stream it just records it as is right? |
| [22:31:55] | astyler: | even the pchdtv5500 |
| [22:31:55] | sphery: | yep |
| [22:31:57] | sphery: | yep |
| [22:32:02] | astyler: | it only loads the processor for analog decoding? |
| [22:32:24] | astyler: | well now we're cooking with gas |
| [22:32:26] | sphery: | But, the HD-5500's /analog/ side requires the CPU to do all encoding |
| [22:32:37] | astyler: | I've got so many spare parts around |
| [22:32:47] | astyler: | I have a computer running inside a beer case |
| [22:33:08] | astyler: | i made this because the miniboard was ideal for a frontend |
| [22:33:17] | astyler: | and i had a spare c2d e6300 |
| [22:33:18] | sphery: | I'm using an Athlon XP 2400+ and a 2000+ for my 2 backends. They're both cheap systems that I rolled "down" to MythTV. |
| [22:33:23] | sphery: | Only my frontend is powerful. |
| [22:33:38] | astyler: | hmm |
| [22:33:46] | sphery: | e6300 is /way/ more than you need for a backend |
| [22:33:56] | sphery: | not bad for an HDTV frontend, though. |
| [22:33:57] | astyler: | yeah, its folding with most of the cpu |
| [22:34:02] | justinh: | if it was me I'd put the C2D chip on the frontend |
| [22:34:06] | justinh: | and to hell with folding |
| [22:34:09] | sphery: | me too |
| [22:34:22] | astyler: | it will stay with the frontend because its the only lga775 chip i have for this board |
| [22:34:30] | astyler: | except my main rig with has its q6600 |
| [22:34:33] | justinh: | let them find a cure for cancer without giving us huge electric bills |
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| [22:34:42] | astyler: | hey 11 watts is nothing |
| [22:34:55] | sphery: | I'm running SETI@home on all my systems (including my 2 slow backends that often record 2 HDTV shows at once) |
| [22:34:56] | astyler: | when otherwise running your computer 24x7 |
| [22:35:01] | justinh: | 11 watts from the wall? i doubt it |
| [22:35:07] | astyler: | ok, so i keep the frontend largely in-tact |
| [22:35:20] | astyler: | switch out the 320gb for some 10gb ide |
| [22:35:25] | justinh: | there are routers which pull more than 11W |
| [22:35:25] | sphery: | yep |
| [22:35:29] | astyler: | and make a backend out of spare parts.. |
| [22:35:32] | sphery: | yep |
| [22:35:34] | sphery: | perfect! |
| [22:35:41] | astyler: | i have a 2.4 p4 around here |
| [22:35:48] | justinh: | ideal |
| [22:35:50] | astyler: | im pretty sure i severed it's fan wire though |
| [22:35:54] | sphery: | and, to make things easy, I'd recommend getting a PVR-150 or four |
| [22:35:58] | justinh: | easy to fix :) |
| [22:36:00] | astyler: | i should fix that |
| [22:36:13] | justinh: | frontends should have the best kit you got :) |
| [22:36:19] | sphery: | friends don't let friends do analog on a digital capture card |
| [22:36:28] | astyler: | well jeez thanks for the help |
| [22:36:35] | sphery: | hope it does help |
| [22:36:40] | astyler: | i dont know how im going to explain to my GF that i need 3 computers now |
| [22:36:49] | sphery: | It's also nice to have a frontend that can go down whenever you want |
| [22:36:55] | sphery: | my backends just run |
| [22:37:26] | sphery: | I could install Windows on my frontend and wouldn't have to worry about rebooting it into windows while recordings happen |
| [22:37:32] | astyler: | hmm |
| [22:37:48] | astyler: | does frontend entail grabbing schedules too? |
| [22:37:53] | justinh: | nope |
| [22:37:56] | astyler: | or does it fetch everything from backend |
| [22:37:57] | astyler: | ok |
| [22:37:58] | sphery: | (though I've found my XBox is much better for gaming on my TV than any PC games--kind of need a desk for the keyboard/mouse) |
| [22:38:16] | justinh: | all the frontend is – basically – is the user interface & the player stuff |
| [22:38:17] | sphery: | frontend is basically a dedicated media /player/ |
| [22:38:25] | sphery: | backend is the recorder |
| [22:38:32] | astyler: | and for analog |
| [22:38:38] | astyler: | you recommedn the pvr150? |
| [22:38:46] | justinh: | backend is scheduler, recorder, transcoder, ... |
| [22:38:53] | sphery: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116633 |
| [22:38:55] | justinh: | astyler: most definitely yes |
| [22:39:08] | astyler: | i heard they were sticking 1600s in pvr10 boxes |
| [22:39:19] | sphery: | a bit more than I guessed ($60, not $50, + $5 S&H) |
| [22:39:35] | sphery: | Or, you can get PVR-500 (basically 2 PVR-150's on a single card = single PCI slot) |
| [22:39:48] | astyler: | how does the analog look? |
| [22:40:01] | sphery: | as good as possible (i.e. as good as NTSC allows :) |
| [22:40:04] | astyler: | because my television has a decent analog decoder |
| [22:40:08] | astyler: | ok |
| [22:40:15] | astyler: | the pchdtv does worse than it allows |
| [22:40:18] | fryfrog: | does lirc log to syslog or have it's own log? |
| [22:40:22] | astyler: | i found that out after purchasing |
| [22:40:57] | astyler: | ok, next task... installing flash player on 64bit >:) |
| [22:41:05] | sphery: | On my system, it looked as good as plugging the source (DISH STB) directly into the TV (though there were MPEG compression artifacts that are only noticeable if you know what to look for) |
| [22:41:07] | jams: | fryfrog- syslog is a recent addition to lirc, normally it's to it's own log. And sometimes it uses it's own log via syslog. |
| [22:41:08] | astyler: | i found a good guy on ubuntu forums to help with that though |
| [22:41:39] | sphery: | If you have a low-quality analog signal (i.e. bad signal on cable), it may be lower quality than with a direct connection to the tV. |
| [22:41:54] | sphery: | The PVR-150 (and MPEG, in general), really likes a clean signal. |
| [22:41:54] | astyler: | hmm |
| [22:42:13] | sphery: | though it shouldn't be very much different |
| [22:42:22] | astyler: | if I got a pvr-500 |
| [22:42:25] | sphery: | (if you can tell a big difference, you haven't set things up right) |
| [22:42:32] | astyler: | does it handle giving me a free tuner if I want to watch while recording |
| [22:42:42] | astyler: | or is that all manual |
| [22:43:11] | sphery: | BTW, I maintain a box with 4 PVR-250's (the old version of the newer, better, cheaper PVR-150) in an Athlon XP 2000+. No problems recording 4 shows while playing back one. |
| [22:43:26] | astyler: | jeez this mini-project just got more interesting |
| [22:43:35] | sphery: | Myth will use any tuner you've configured for recordings. |
| [22:43:42] | astyler: | hardware is my strength, linux is a new foray for me |
| [22:43:49] | astyler: | also, mythtv |
| [22:43:55] | astyler: | learning it all is "fun" |
| [22:43:59] | astyler: | in a strange sense of the word |
| [22:44:03] | sphery: | So, if you try to watch TV when it's recording on all capture cards, it will tell you, and you'll have to watch something you've previously recorded or watch one of hte recordings in progress. |
| [22:44:23] | astyler: | ok, but if one tuner is recording, and 1 is free |
| [22:44:33] | astyler: | and I go to watch live tv, it will automatically hand me the free one? |
| [22:44:36] | sphery: | In general, Linux should only be used by people using it for the fun of learning. (I said people, not companies.) |
| [22:44:43] | sphery: | yep |
| [22:44:48] | sphery: | if configured that way |
| [22:44:59] | astyler: | olk, now to get this all working by sunday |
| [22:45:10] | sphery: | (Myth is infinitely configurable. You can configure it to do what you want or to do what you don't want. :) |
| [22:45:19] | astyler: | recording the superbowl in HD is my goal |
| [22:45:27] | sphery: | that's what electronics retail stores are for. |
| [22:45:41] | astyler: | i want to see tom brady's tears in crisp HD when he fails |
| [22:45:47] | sphery: | :) |
| [22:45:55] | astyler: | and i want to record it |
| [22:46:04] | astyler: | maybe eventually set it as a screen saver |
| [22:46:22] | ** sphery will record the superbowl in HD, watch it at a friend's house while it's aired, then come home and invert the commercial list to watch the commercials ** | |
| [22:46:35] | astyler: | ! |
| [22:46:41] | astyler: | yeah I will be at a friends house |
| [22:46:47] | astyler: | that would be cool though |
| [22:46:51] | sphery: | it is |
| [22:47:04] | astyler: | I remember there being an invert-flagged command somewhere |
| [22:47:05] | sphery: | don't know of any other system that lets you turn the commercial skip list inside out. :) |
| [22:47:15] | sphery: | Only use it that way once per year, though. |
| [22:47:15] | astyler: | hmm |
| [22:47:46] | astyler: | i think default setup is to flag commercials, cut them, and delete old version |
| [22:47:58] | sphery: | BTW, if you have plenty of slots in your P4 and it's cheaper to get 2 PVR-150's than one PVR-500, that would work fine. |
| [22:48:10] | sphery: | IMHO, the 500 is only useful to those who are lacking PCI slots |
| [22:48:11] | astyler: | ok |
| [22:48:17] | astyler: | ill check that |
| [22:48:20] | fryfrog: | humm, why wouldn't /dev/lirc exist :/ |
| [22:48:32] | astyler: | that would let me start with just 1 pvr as well |
| [22:48:38] | sphery: | yep |
| [22:48:45] | astyler: | crap! i forgot ddr1 is expensive |
| [22:48:48] | sphery: | get started for half the cost, get addicted, then buy a bunch more |
| [22:49:00] | astyler: | what would i need for 2 analog 1 digital tuner |
| [22:49:07] | astyler: | on a headless backend |
| [22:49:09] | astyler: | 512? |
| [22:49:42] | astyler: | i heard it was pretty light |
| [22:49:48] | sphery: | astyler: When it flags commercials, it leaves them in place (doesn't delete them, just skips them during playback or tells you when it's time to skip). Transcoding and deleting them can be done, but generally isn't worthwhile. |
| [22:50:06] | sphery: | at least not if you're watching/deleting the show |
| [22:50:19] | sphery: | The system I maintain with 4 PVR-250's has 512MB |
| [22:50:26] | sphery: | and is a combined frontend and backend |
| [22:50:48] | sphery: | If you have a dedicated backend, 512MB should be plenty |
| [22:51:01] | sphery: | If you have an HDTV frontend, 1GB is better. |
| [22:51:18] | sphery: | (though it will work fine with 512--unless you choose a memory-hungry theme) |
| [22:53:20] | sphery: | back to writing my backup the mythconverg db patch |
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| [22:58:38] | astyler: | thanks |
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| [22:58:51] | astyler: | my frontend has plenty of ram because ddr2 is practically free nowadays |
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| [23:02:49] | fryfrog: | okay, dumb lirc question... what creates /dev/lirc vs. /dev/lircd? |
| [23:03:56] | AndyCap: | fryfrog: /dev/lirc has lirc hardware iirc. lircd is the daemon |
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| [23:05:19] | fryfrog: | humm |
| [23:05:37] | fryfrog: | so lirc_usbmce2 should be creating /dev/lirc? |
| [23:07:18] | sphery: | are you using the dev/input driver? |
| [23:07:39] | sphery: | If so, I'm pretty sure there's no /dev/lirc, but it reads from the specified input device, instead. |
| [23:08:15] | astyler: | im grabbing a usb IR remote, can that hook up to the front end? |
| [23:08:28] | astyler: | wait |
| [23:08:35] | astyler: | of course, it would be silly otherwise |
| [23:08:35] | sphery: | remote will go on the frontend |
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| [23:08:46] | sphery: | just make sure it's one that's supported by LIRC |
| [23:09:05] | astyler: | its a firefly mini which people have reported to work |
| [23:09:38] | sphery: | fryfrog: BTW, I was talking about the LIRC /dev/input driver, not about the keyboard (non-LIRC) /dev/input driver. There's still no /dev/lirc if using LIRC's /dev/input driver. |
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| [23:23:46] | fryfrog: | bah, turned out to be stupid |
| [23:23:59] | fryfrog: | unplug / plug the usb ir reciever. |
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| [23:34:31] | Guyfromhe: | still working, yay |
| [23:36:09] | CCFL_Man3: | hmm.. |
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| [23:38:36] | CCFL_Man2: | i bet the cooler stuff is on c band |
| [23:39:08] | sphery: | .sb c |
| [23:39:14] | sphery: | oops... not a slash |
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| [23:47:05] | stowaway2: | hello |
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| [23:48:19] | Stowaway: | I dont suppose there is any device manager proggie i could install for mythunbuntu to make it easier to get my damn dvico dvb tuner to work? |
| [23:49:51] | justinh: | Stowaway: not really. when you boot up do you have a /dev/dvb/adapterX node ? |
| [23:50:30] | justinh: | Stowaway: generally if something doesn't work out of the box in linux it just means its kernel module (driver) hasn't been loaded automagically – or else it isn't supported ;) |
| [23:50:31] | Stowaway: | yeah i have a /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [23:50:44] | justinh: | does it work with Kaffeine? |
| [23:50:53] | Stowaway: | no it says cant bind |
| [23:51:06] | justinh: | is your user a member of the 'video' group ? |
| [23:51:19] | Stowaway: | dunno. will check |
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| [23:53:16] | Stowaway: | there doenst seem to be a video group there |
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| [23:54:39] | justinh: | ls -al /dev/dvb/adapter0 & see who owns it |
| [23:57:13] | Stowaway: | root or video |
| [23:57:25] | Stowaway: | it says root video 212 etc |
| [23:57:42] | justinh: | so methinks your user needs to be in the video group to be able to use the card |
| [23:57:56] | Stowaway: | so should i just create a group video? |
| [23:58:02] | justinh: | the group exists |
| [23:58:07] | Stowaway: | oh |
| [23:58:14] | justinh: | you just need to make your user a member of it |
| [23:58:50] | Stowaway: | just in user settings? |
| [23:59:33] | justinh: | can't remember how mythbuntu organises all that |
| [23:59:43] | justinh: | I usually just edit /etc/groups myself |
| [23:59:50] | Stowaway: | okay ill do that |
| [23:59:52] | justinh: | er /etc/group |
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