Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, January 31st, 2008, 00:03 UTC

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xanderp:

i've got 2 HD tuners in my ubuntu box and they want to swap /dev/video devices... I had a similar problem with 2 lirc devices, do I treat this the same way? (editing udev rules and creating aliases for the devices?) or is there a better way? (the cards are DIFFERENT BTW)

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kdub:

heh

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kdub:

if they werent different i wouldnt imagine you would care

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kdub:

and yeah, udev rules

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xanderp:

exactly

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xanderp:

ones a pchdtv5500 and the other is a avertvhd mce a180

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xanderp:

so once I create udev 'names' for the two cards based on their plug and play info, where do I hardcode /dev/video/X to be a set udev device?

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kdub:

i dont know i never done it

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kdub:

heh

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xanderp:

ahh

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kdub:

its really common though

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kdub:

i am sure there is an entry on the wiki

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xanderp:

will consult my buddy GG Google

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kdub:

otherwise search the mailing list archives

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xanderp:

wondering what the correct 'naming' syntax is for a /dev/video device rule in udev... I don't currently have any of those... maybe an entry under 20-names.rules

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kdub:

your digital cards show up in /dev/video?

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kdub:

i think mine show up in /dvb

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kdub:

er

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xanderp:

they also have analog tuners in them

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kdub:

i mean /dev/dvb

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fryfrog:

ah

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kdub:

yeal

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kdub:

yeah

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xanderp:

so i need to handle BOTH

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kdub:

analog/digital tuners should show up as both

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xanderp:

aye

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directhex:

xand, atsc devices should be /dev/dvb/adapterX folders

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directhex:

bah

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directhex:

xanderp,

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xanderp:

hrm...

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directhex:

oh, and if the 2 devices use different kernel modules, cheat and force one of them to load in /etc/modules (so the order is guaanteed)

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xanderp:

that sounds alot more simple

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xanderp:

now I just have to track down which modules are which... :)

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baalsgate:

are there different vecrsions of irw around I have one machine that run irw and it gives all codes of any remote while the other machine only displays codes that are already in the lircd.conf file

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baalsgate:

is it a compile option to turn unknown codes off maybe for irw ?

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robbins61:

Anyone think obama can beat hillary? I really have my doubts that he can.

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directhex:

he'd better

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fryfrog:

I don't think Hillary can even win :/

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fryfrog:

I don't know *anyone* that likes her, she seems to be someone who really either people love or hate, and everyone i've heard talk about hates her :/

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kdub:

i love her

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baalsgate:

Lirc – irw – Does your irw display unknown codes from a binary package install ?

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fryfrog:

okay, now i know someone who likes her :)

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fryfrog:

Ron Paul is like... my perfect candidate

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fryfrog:

but he doesn't stand a chance

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directhex:

fryfrog, really? look at the policies beyond "woo teh constitution" in depth

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kdub:

yeah hillary is horrible

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kdub:

i was kidding

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fryfrog:

haha

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superm1:

fryfrog, i was in the iowa caucuses. in my precinct and all the precincts in the immediate 10 miles, she had no viability whatsoever.

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** xris recommends avoiding political discussions **

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superm1:

but yeah, /t :)

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fryfrog:

directhex: like what specifically? doing away with federal education and stuff?

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robbins61:

I think that if obama beats hillary, he'll be our next president

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directhex:

fryfrog, that kind of thing, yes

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robbins61:

but if she wins the primary, then john mccain will reign terror on the middle east for 100 years.

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fryfrog:

really, as long as Bush doesn't get re-elected some how... i'll be happy

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directhex:

at least giulliani's history

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fryfrog:

directhex: yeah, some of that is *weird* but... it isn't that he doesn't think we should be or have education... he just thinks that states should be responsible for it

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fryfrog:

at least, that is what i see

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robbins61:

I hate when things are completely out of my hands

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fryfrog:

same with drug law enforcement and stuff like that

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robbins61:

and this obama thing is not something i can control

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directhex:

fryfrog, broadly speaking, they already are. which is why you get school report cards sponsored by mcdonalds \o/

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fryfrog:

and why you get the federal "no child left behind"

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fryfrog:

but, i'm not a political keeper uper, so i'm not one to argue well :)

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fryfrog:

I just like the idea of a country where states decide and control their destiny, less government and all that.

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fryfrog:

At first, I kind of thought "well, laws should be universal" you know?

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blackest:

Has Mcdonalds become an acredited exam board in the usa as well ?

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fryfrog:

like something legal i one state shouldn't be illegal in another (prostitution, speed limit, drugs, etc)

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fryfrog:

but where do you draw the line?

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fryfrog:

why *shouldn't* there be a state where a number of drugs are legal? another where prostitution is? another with a really really great education system? (all well regulated by state government)

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kdub:

because everyone would be living on the border of the drug/whore states and no where else

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fryfrog:

that isn't true

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kdub:

heh

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fryfrog:

california, colorodo, vegas

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directhex:

why be states at all? secede from the union! go it alone!

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fryfrog:

they already have subsets of these things

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kdub:

YES

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fryfrog:

no, that isn't true

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kdub:

republic of texas

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kdub:

all the way

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fryfrog:

we *need* a federal government, it is important

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fryfrog:

but it should do what it is *good* at

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directhex:

i was more thinking the great sovereign nation of rhodeislandia

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fryfrog:

protecting the entire country by having an army/navy/air force

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kdub:

droppin bombs

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kdub:

haha

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directhex:

fryfrog, why have a federal army, and not per-state?

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fryfrog:

setting universal laws related to the rights of the people (murder, etc, etc)

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fryfrog:

why would AL protect CA?

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directhex:

fryfrog, why not permit murder on a per-state basis?

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purserj:

directhex: doesn't each state have it's own army anyway? What's the national guard for?

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fryfrog:

directhex: because there are some obvious, universal wrongs *and* we already ahve a constitution, sir

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fryfrog:

purserj: internal use, except i think when they are er, drafted/pulled/used? by the feds

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fryfrog:

or something

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kdub:

national gaurd is technically for homeland defense

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blackest:

fryfrog: why would gb protect poland maybe coz of a treaty like nato has

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fryfrog:

Do you *like* Homeland Security?

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fryfrog:

blackest: sure, exactly!

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purserj:

umm Poland isn't part of NATO is it?

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fryfrog:

i mean, our constitution seems to be more setup to have a smaller federal government, when you think about it

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fryfrog:

nfi :)

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fryfrog:

but it is the idea that counts

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blackest:

actually i think it is these days

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fryfrog:

i'm not saying that a USA of states being countries is impossible

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kdub:

you know they tried having a tiny federal government

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fryfrog:

or anything

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kdub:

it didnt work

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directhex:

less federal cash, less pork!

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directhex:

and no politician wants less pork

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blackest:

and i was actually thinking of 1939

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fryfrog:

and i'm not even saying the federal government should be non existant

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fryfrog:

it should *just* do what it does best, not try to do everything.

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fryfrog:

i basically think that we have failed at our education system

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blackest:

where gb went to war with germany due to them invading poland

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fryfrog:

failed at science

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fryfrog:

failed at protecting our own rights

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purserj:

blackest: yes but that was after GB handed the Checks over to Germany

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fryfrog:

(in the name of "security")

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kdub:

well im a scientist that feels like i have plenty of rights.

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robbins61:

obama for the win

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directhex:

i have some lefts!

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kdub:

george bush, 4 more years

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fryfrog:

kdub: sure, but as a country, is our science and education improving? or not?

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fryfrog:

W for ever!

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directhex:

kdub, just wait for the national emergency ;_)

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fryfrog:

the thing that really blows me away is how hardcore we react to "terrorism"

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fryfrog:

9/11 killed how many thousands of people?

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fryfrog:

how many die every day in *car* accidents?

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directhex:

fryfrog, stop committing it overseas, that'd be a good start

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xris:

fryfrog: yeah. it's definitely weird for someone like me who grew up with "terrorism" as an every day occurrence.

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fryfrog:

seriously

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blackest:

interesting thing would capitalism effect the choice of one state defending another if the union was loosely bound

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fryfrog:

I'd call myself socially liberal and fiscally conservative, bordering on isolationish.

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kdub:

they call that a libertarian buddy

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xris:

fryfrog: that's bordering on libertarianism.

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fryfrog:

i'm not saying the US should withdraw from everwhere and be like "screw you!"

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purserj:

fryfrog: isolationism doesn't work

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fryfrog:

but i don't think we should be where we aren't wanted

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fryfrog:

exactly

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blackest:

would texas defend california if it was going to cost a bundlle to go to war?

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fryfrog:

until recently, EU seemed pretty happy with us

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fryfrog:

Africa, I imagine doesn't hate us much

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fryfrog:

but the middle east?

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kdub:

texas would rape california

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directhex:

fryfrog, only 3 countries approve of the US these days

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fryfrog:

totally, they'd push it into the ocean :)

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directhex:

fryfrog, in opinion polls, anyway

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fryfrog:

directhex: see? :)

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directhex:

fryfrog, israel, micronesia, and indonesia

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fryfrog:

if we'd just *not* peed all over iraq, maybe we'd be okay!

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fryfrog:

i can even understand / partially justify afganistan... sort of

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directhex:

fryfrog, the us has been committing terrorism overseas for decades. it's not just iraq

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fryfrog:

but we really ruined our shit over there too :p

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directhex:

fryfrog, iraq was just more brazen than most

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kdub:

bomb france

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fryfrog:

directhex: no argument from me!

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purserj:

fryfrog: Bush blew any good will that the US had from the 11/9 bombings

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fryfrog:

no country will ever be perfect though, at least we are better of than many places.

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purserj:

Afghanistan was supported because they were supporting the people who had conducted the bombings

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blackest:

maybe from the other nato allys thou

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fryfrog:

wtf, november 9th?

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fryfrog:

:p

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kdub:

fryfrog, in the most of the world it is 11/9

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fryfrog:

purserj: yeah, that is why it is justified

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purserj:

Iraq wasn't however

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fryfrog:

purserj: cept now afganistan makes more weed than uh, a california hippie farm :)

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purserj:

it was a continuation of the Bushes v Saddam

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directhex:

fryfrog, opium, not weed

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fryfrog:

politics is lame, that is the main thing

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fryfrog:

oh, is it opium?

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directhex:

fryfrog, and associated opiates, i.e. heroin

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purserj:

fryfrog: that's what happens when you give people freedom to choose, they sometimes choose things you don't want them to do

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fryfrog:

i thought afganistan was also the largest producer of weed?

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directhex:

fryfrog, afghanistan is the largest producer of opium poppies in the world

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blackest:

afganistan already did if you remember the 80's t-shirts with smoke the russians out off afganistan

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fryfrog:

anyway, shows my lack of knowlege, but the idea is the same :)

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kdub:

afghanistan doesnt bother with weed

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fryfrog:

we "fix" one problem and create a few more

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blackest:

actually they make very good resin

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directhex:

fryfrog, al qaeda was cia-sponsored terrorism ;)

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fryfrog:

we keep doing that and just... well, it sucks!

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kdub:

our only problem is when we stop dropping bombs

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fryfrog:

yup, we fucking trained binladen!

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fryfrog:

gave him what he needed, way back when

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directhex:

and armed

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directhex:

don't forget "armed"

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purserj:

you trained and armed Saddam as well

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directhex:

much like the arming of iran and iraq in the 80s

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fryfrog:

"fixed" a problem, created a bigger one

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directhex:

cuba would be a democracy by now if not for the us

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fryfrog:

so i say... lets stop fixing problems we aren't asked to help with :/

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kdub:

haha

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purserj:

then invaded and incited the shi-ites and kurds to rebel and then left them hanging

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kdub:

bunch of hippies

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mikeones_:

hello

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fryfrog:

gah :/

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kdub:

Hello.

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fryfrog:

hard to believe much of a hole we dig for ourselves, then crap in it... then have to swim in it years later :/

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kdub:

i dont see what the big deal is

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directhex:

purserj, i heard a wonderful detail about the failed bay of pigs invasion in cuba. the exiles who mounted the attack were told by the us army that there were already soldiers there, 150 miles inland from the southern coast. 120 miles inland from the specific point on the coastline is the middle of southern florida – suba's only about 70 miles wide at that point

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directhex:

kdub, "blowback" is the big deal. 9/11 is an example

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[erebus]:

So.. I could use some help.

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purserj:

directhex: a dear family friend who died a while back was at the bay of pigs, on the Cuban side

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purserj:

said it was like fish in a barrel

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kdub:

are you cuban b?

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directhex:

purserj, indeed. but really, that detail is... it beggars belief

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purserj:

directhex: it does and yet it doesn't surprise me

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directhex:

kickass! http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/jan/30/bskyb.television

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fryfrog:

i think we can all agree on one political statement: politics sucks :p

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kdub:

man

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kdub:

you know what suck about gladiators

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purserj:

actually no, I think politics is interesting and everyone needs to understand it. The politicians on the other hand

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kdub:

the whole show doesnt matter

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kdub:

all that matters is which guy has the best endurance

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directhex:

purserj, i'm thoroughly amused at the tenacity of cuba when dealing with the outright bullying the US tries to dish out. e.g. the us passes a law declaring all cuban trademarks null and void, allowing american companies to sell their own goods using cuban trademarks. castro responds with "anyone mind if we start selling Coca Cola?"

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kdub:

for the eliminator

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fryfrog:

okay, i think that is more acurate :)

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directhex:

kdub, yeah, but if you fluff the events, the other guy gets a huge head start on the eliminator

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purserj:

directhex: yeah, Castro has managed to build a much larger following overseas purely because he's played to the underdog tag

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purserj:

poor little Cuba being beaten up by the US

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directhex:

purserj, that's what it comes down to though – act like a prick and people will respond accordingly, and the us has acted with mind-numbing cockbaggery on the international stage

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purserj:

yup

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purserj:

the main problem for the US is that it has set itself up as the "leader of the free world" and yet it runs around acting like just another country looking out for number 1

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Miranda:

I was under the impression that MythFlix gave you the ability to watch "Instant" movies on your TV.. Is this possible?

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kdub:

Miranda, nope

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kdub:

its for managing your queue

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Miranda:

ahh.

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directhex:

purserj, declaring cuban trademarks null so companies can sell fake cohibas and havana club? declaring it a felony w/ 7-figure fine to do business with cuba in any way, shape or form (including a number of european company execs being nabbed whilst on business in the us, for selling goods to cuba)? those are just plain cocktarded things to do. how does it help us interests?

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directhex:

Miranda, too much DRM

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kdub:

you have to use windows to watch Instant movies

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purserj:

directhex: it helps by promoting the image that the US is in charge. It's about swinging the big stick so that the rest of the world doesn't get out of line

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purserj:

Not all interests are economic

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directhex:

purserj, yeah, that works enormously well

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purserj:

I never said it was particularly clever ;)

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purserj:

The people behind that policy have absolutely no idea of human nature

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purserj:

they also have a fanatical belief in US superiority

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directhex:

anyway, bedtime

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directhex:

discussing team america is boring, it's not as if it'll ever quit with the douchebaggery

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blackest:

does myth have to use mysql5 ?

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fryfrog:

true, time to move to canada, eh? :)

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mikeones_:

I ust updated mythweb to svn 15693 and now the flash player does not give me the options to stream a show. Only direct download. ;(

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GreyFoxx:

blackest: It does in svn

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GreyFoxx:

and the upcoming 0.21

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xris:

mikeones_: you're running svn trunk, you should be reading the commit logs. :)

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xris:

GreyFoxx: really?

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** xris thought we weren't going to do that yet. heh **

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, we announced dropping support for 3/4 on Dec'd 12th

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GreyFoxx:

and a db change (whcih I put in) from early Jan is mysql 5 specific

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xris:

cool, actually....

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xris:

there's a LOT of stuff we can clean up.

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xris:

now if only I had the time. heh

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GreyFoxx:

heh I bet :)

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GreyFoxx:

I'd love to take a week off work just to get stuff done I want to work on

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xris:

bunch of stuff I need to do for SD

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xris:

and mythweb

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GreyFoxx:

the SD stuff must be paperwork intensive

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blackest:

thanks Greyfoxx I have an idea i want to try in php

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blackest:

i just found something interesting http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/VCRPlus+/vcrpp.pl

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blackest:

it encodes and decodes Video+ codes

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GreyFoxx:

Sweet

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GreyFoxx:

I was looking at that the other day

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GreyFoxx:

installed my old bttv tuner just to check out the vbi data

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blackest:

I am thinking of writing a php page for manually creating a tv guide

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blackest:

not a full guide just for shows you are interested in and there isnt any automated guide data

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GreyFoxx:

I'll have a look at that perl scrpt and the original C source it's from

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blackest:

be handy if you could just punch in the code and it creates an entry in your manual tv guide

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GreyFoxx:

could be interesting

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blackest:

i am thinking mainly of things i record on the composite port of my pvr150

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GreyFoxx:

now I need to find something to read guideplus data

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Miranda:

How can I get xorg and mythtv to start automatically when I log in, while still allowing me to run a terminal inside X?

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blackest:

the perl runs well i just pasted it into gedit and made it executable

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fedorared:

Miranda: The frontend?

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Miranda:

fedorared, yes.

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fedorared:

Presumably you can configure an x session

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fedorared:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend_Auto_Login

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blackest:

greyfoxx: http://www.europe.guideplus.com/Generic/faq/u . . . llite.html#4

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Miranda:

Great, now I just need to figure out why user mythtv can't run the backend

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mikeones_:

err xris< do not see anything in the commits related to not seeing the flash playe menubar. I have tried the 9.0.47 and 9.1.115 player. This happend today with an update.

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xris:

mikeones_: go into the settings in mythweb, look under "mythweb"

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xris:

there's definitely a commit about it. I disabled the flv player intentionally.

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mikeones_:

xris: thanks

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mikeones_:

wow that looks good xris

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xris:

you're officially the first user to complain about the missing flv player, though. here, anyway.

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blackest:

is it missing or just disabled in settings ?

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blackest:

i found it disabled on sunday and reenabled it has that changed ?

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mikeones_:

blackest: I did not check the setting tab

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xris:

blackest: there was never before an option to enable/disable.

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xris:

I added the option, and set it off by default

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xris:

along with a warning.

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xris:

.21 is coming out soon and I can't have it enabled by default without a warning.

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xris:

otherwise there will be no end of user complaints about it not working properly

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blackest:

i saw it and the ability to resize and set bitrate

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xris:

yup. that's new, too

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blackest:

is there anyway to get it working with a slave?

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douglask:

question: MythTV backend/frontend machine hard locks on TV Play and on recorded video play. I can watch tv through a frontend on another machine just fine. Video Card: ATI Radeon 9600. Driver open source card.

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mikeones_:

xris: what about myhtweb streaming videos is not working properly?

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mikeones_:

/videos/recordings

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douglask:

Any ideas? Even a nice FM for me to go RTFM? :-)

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douglask:

btw, output is to a monitor on a DVI port.

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CyberKnet:

does anyone here know how to build the atrpms nvidia-graphics package from source? I can't seem to get it to build the kernel module

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douglask:

CyberKnet: What distro?

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CyberKnet:

Fedora 8

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douglask:

My guess is make sure you have the kernel headers and source installed.

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jamesd:

CyberKnet, the better question is why aren't you using the closed source drivers... they are much better.

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CyberKnet:

douglask: yes, I do.

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douglask:

Then I'm really not sure. I've got a different issue going on. :-)

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CyberKnet:

jamesd: you're assuming that the nvidia-graphics package isn't using the closed source drivers?

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jamesd:

i beleve the closed source driver includes everything, with no need to build... but i could be mistaken

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CyberKnet:

*shrug*

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CyberKnet:

worst comes to worst I'll reboot to the old kernel and wait for atrpms to build the new module.

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CyberKnet:

rebuild the module for the new kernel, rather.

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stowaway-atwork:

hello.. I installed mythubuntu 3 days ago. and it would just goto a blank screen when using my pci-e video card.. when i took that out and used the onboard one it works great.. its installed. but even now when i put the video card in it doesnt work... i tried disabling onboard video in bios but still no good

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Miranda:

Is there a module I can load so I can play something-ANYTHING on the TV without a tuner card?

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purserj:

Miranda: mythvideo

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Miranda:

purserj, kk

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sshirley:

hi everyone. on my tv, i only have component inputs. from my computer what is better to output from: s-video or vga?

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sshirley:

or does it matter?

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jamesd:

sshirley, vga

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jamesd:

svideo is limited 525 lines usually

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jamesd:

vga usually starts at 640 and goes up and up

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sshirley:

ok, good. i have one of those cables :-)

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Guyfromhe:

heya?

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Guyfromhe:

i've got an issue and i'm not sure whats causing it, looking for some insight

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Guyfromhe:

the problem is completely random, i'm using a pvr-350 and a pvr-150 and randomly the mpeg files will be filled with pixelation and what looks like corruption and when paying back the files it will often lock the machine up hard

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Guyfromhe:

it does it on both tuners

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Guyfromhe:

I havn't changed anything hw or sw at all on the system

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Guyfromhe:

the otehr day I pulled the whole thing apart, vacumed it out and rebuild it, reseated everything and it's still doing it

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Guyfromhe:

I also ran a ram test on it for a full day

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Guyfromhe:

anyone even here?

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fedorared:

Guyfromhe: How hot is it running?

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Guyfromhe:

pretty cool

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Guyfromhe:

the encoders get warm but they've always done that

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Guyfromhe:

I have them seperated futher than they were in the old case

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fedorared:

I do suspect heat causes some stability issues in my box when I also peg my CPU at 100%

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Guyfromhe:

their 2 PCI slots apart now

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Guyfromhe:

it's in a closet, i've had a fan on it the whole time

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Guyfromhe:

I cleaned out all the fans and the PSU cause I thoght it might not be venting good enough

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Guyfromhe:

I also underclocked the CPU to keep it running cool

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Guyfromhe:

and I took the fan controller off all the fans

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Guyfromhe:

and unplugged all the devices that werent critical

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Guyfromhe:

I pulled all the lighting and all the cd drives

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fedorared:

My case is running about 50 C and has been mostly stable

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Guyfromhe:

thing is i havn't changed anything

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fedorared:

Or some quirk in the driver or firmware I dunno

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Guyfromhe:

this setup has been working for like 2–3 years now

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Guyfromhe:

with the occasional software rebuild

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Guyfromhe:

but I havn't even touched the software in half a year

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Guyfromhe:

at first I thought I had a bad tuner

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Guyfromhe:

but it's happening on both

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Guyfromhe:

and I can watch avis and stuff on the tv out just fine

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Guyfromhe:

the PSU was getting toasty before, but that seemsed to have gone away when I cleaned out it's fans

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Guyfromhe:

i left the cabinet it's in open and cranked the fan on it too

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Guyfromhe:

before it was running fine with the door shut and the fan on low

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Guyfromhe:

and wasn't getting too hot

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Guyfromhe:

it's cool to the touch right now

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Guyfromhe:

I was thinking maybe it's a PCI bus issue

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Guyfromhe:

maybe some weird noise is getting into the stream between the card and the hdd

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Guyfromhe:

or a hdd problem?

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Guyfromhe:

i'll try to cool it even further and see if the problem goes away

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Guyfromhe:

i guess if all else fails i'll swap it back into it's old hardware and see if the problem goes away

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azop:

how seamless is mythtv's ability to record one show and view another show with two directv receivers? (I have a PVR-500 and two ir blasters)

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Guyfromhe:

should be pretty seamless

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Guyfromhe:

I don't don't it with 2 dtv rx's but with 2 cables it's fine, should be exactly the same with dtv

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azop:

easy enough for my wife to figure out? ;)

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Guyfromhe:

it's all automatic

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Guyfromhe:

theres nothing to figure out

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azop:

great

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Guyfromhe:

theres a setting to avoid conflicts with live tv

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Guyfromhe:

make sure thats on

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Guyfromhe:

that will setup all the recordings on a differnet tuner than the live tv

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Guyfromhe:

and you'll never know it's recording then

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azop:

mmmk

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Guyfromhe:

if your recording 2 shows at once it'll come up and ask you if you want to change the chanenl

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Guyfromhe:

if you don't set that avoid conflicts option it'll watch live tv on tuner 1 and try to record on tuner 1 so you'll have to manually change it

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Guyfromhe:

i'm still running 0.18 though so they may haev made that option default

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Guyfromhe:

i don't remeber exactly where it is

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Guyfromhe:

once you find the option it's dead simple

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azop:

thanks

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Guyfromhe:

np

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Guyfromhe:

just make sure theres no crosstalk between the IR recievers

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Guyfromhe:

or you'll be sorry ;P

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azop:

i have the commandir blaster

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azop:

i think I can point those directly to each reciever and avoid that

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azop:

like...right up to the IR bulb

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Guyfromhe:

yeah

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Guyfromhe:

just make sure the other one can't see the IR

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azop:

ok

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Guyfromhe:

if you need to cover it with tape

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Guyfromhe:

if it's right on the IR reciever it probably won't get out

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Guyfromhe:

now I can go back to beating my box with an axe -.-

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Egghead:

when in mythvideo, using the list view (or tree view), the plot text box that can be called up by pressing the i key, can text box (window) be changed or confirgured?

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Guyfromhe:

hrm

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Guyfromhe:

I know lots of the UI lives in XML files

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Guyfromhe:

not sure about that specific question

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Egghead:

cool, well its a place to start :)

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Egghead:

you know what im taking about? or the window im refering to

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Guyfromhe:

i've messed with the tv watching and OSD interface with the various XML files

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Guyfromhe:

I think so

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Guyfromhe:

lemme go look

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Egghead:

thanks

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Guyfromhe:

ok you press I

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Guyfromhe:

and it give you watch video, view full plot or cancel

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Egghead:

i basically whata be able to scroll that window, it would caom in real handy when watching tv series, with long plots due to the multiple episodes per iso

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Egghead:

view full plot

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Guyfromhe:

i think i see what you mean

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Guyfromhe:

so you can't scroll within that box?

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Egghead:

ist that window a stand alone text viewer called by myth?

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Egghead:

no u cant, just cuts off text

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Guyfromhe:

it doesn't look like it's another app

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Guyfromhe:

but I could be wrong

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Egghead:

where would i start to look to modify that?

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Egghead:

xml area?

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Guyfromhe:

hrm I havn't done this in like a year just a sec

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Egghead:

ok

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Egghead:

im just starting out using myth, so far its awsome!

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Guyfromhe:

that it is

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fryfrog:

we concur!

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Guyfromhe:

it would be awesomer if I could figure out what my damn problem is

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fryfrog:

you'll have to goto like #tivo to find someone with a differing opinion :)

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Guyfromhe:

screw tv

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Guyfromhe:

tivo

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Egghead:

i just switch from using tivo

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Egghead:

tivo was nice but its geting on in years, myth is more scaleable, many more options :)

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Guyfromhe:

and it can break in oh so many more ways

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Guyfromhe:

hrm does that area change when you chan=ge your theme?

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Egghead:

hmmm, donno, i can try it

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Miranda:

Is it possible to browse for movies with the Mythvideo module?

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Guyfromhe:

no idea

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Egghead:

guy, nope, stays the same, cept for the coler etc

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Guyfromhe:

so the color changes?

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Egghead:

miranda, browes how?

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Egghead:

guy yup

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Guyfromhe:

ok then it's probably reading the themes xml files

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Guyfromhe:

look in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/

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Miranda:

Egghead, well, instead of just listing movies in a preconfigured folder, I want to browse the system for videos inside the module

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Guyfromhe:

find the folder with the theme your using in it

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azop:

is there a way to watch recordings via mythweb?

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Guyfromhe:

and the XML files are the design of the various windows and how their rendered. I'm not sure if your going to be able to get it to scroll though...

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Egghead:

guy cool, ill scp into it and start looking :)

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azop:

like with flash?

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Guyfromhe:

azop: not with flash, you can download them

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Guyfromhe:

ssh you mean ;P

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Egghead:

yea but maybe just changing the font might help

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Guyfromhe:

I did that with a few things

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Guyfromhe:

repositioned some text/windows

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Egghead:

guy too cool :)

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Guyfromhe:

you should be able to make the window bigger if it's part of the theme xml

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iamlindoro_:

There's a flash player in mythweb in myth SVN

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Guyfromhe:

i'm not sure which file tho, you'll haev to do some trial and error

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iamlindoro_:

soon-to-be Myth .21

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Egghead:

ahhh resizing the window too whould greatly help

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azop:

iamlindoro_: in trunk?

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Guyfromhe:

oooh neat

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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azop:

mmm neat

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Egghead:

guy that my middle name, lmao

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Guyfromhe:

that might be the push I need to upgrade to the latest ver

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azop:

i wonder how well it would stream over my 768kbit uplink

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azop:

:P

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iamlindoro_:

Video is 256K and audio 64 K in the flash player, 768 k should be fine

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azop:

see

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azop:

myth rules

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azop:

:P

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Guyfromhe:

myth totally rules

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Egghead:

miranda, you can add different directory to you video file dire, but seperating them with a colon

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Guyfromhe:

i'm totally gunna upgrade to .21 then

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Guyfromhe:

maybe i'll go buy a 500 gigger

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Egghead:

but i dont think you can browes the whole file system

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Miranda:

Egghead, but I'm still stuck with preconfigured folders

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Guyfromhe:

need to find out whats wrong with my computer first :(

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Miranda:

Egghead, will it navigate subfolders?

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Egghead:

hmmm, maybe use root, /

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Guyfromhe:

I have mine pointing at a samba share and I can poke around all I want within that share

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Egghead:

there is an option to display files not in database, and yes it will

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Egghead:

me too, well an nfs share anyway

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Guyfromhe:

ah

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Guyfromhe:

bleh

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Guyfromhe:

I don't look forward to pulling that thing apart

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Egghead:

miranda, why do u want to browes whole file system?

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Guyfromhe:

I really hope I don't haev a bad PCI bus

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Miranda:

Egghead, I don't, I just want something easy to test with

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Egghead:

guy, whats it doing? or not doing?

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Guyfromhe:

i'm getting randomly corrupted video files

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Guyfromhe:

which hardlock the PC when playing back

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Guyfromhe:

most of the time they just block and freeze and jump, but quite often they'll make it freeze completely

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Egghead:

miranda, id spend some time messing with the setup menus, lots of configuing options

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Guyfromhe:

it's compltely random

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Egghead:

guy, might be samba

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Guyfromhe:

samba wasn't mounted at the time

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fryfrog:

Guyfromhe: what is the video source?

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Guyfromhe:

cable

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fryfrog:

via?

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Egghead:

or, freezing off local drive?

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Guyfromhe:

coax

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fryfrog:

to a...

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Guyfromhe:

pvr 150 and a pvr-350

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fryfrog:

ah

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Guyfromhe:

it's doing it on both tuners

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fryfrog:

and i assume you mean straight to it, no stb or anything?

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Egghead:

guy, have u messed with the pci latency?

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Guyfromhe:

straight to it

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Guyfromhe:

nope

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fryfrog:

i'd turn up logging in myth, try and catch the error

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Guyfromhe:

I havn't done anything to it to start the problem and nothing i've done has fixed it

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fryfrog:

also, if you aren't *totally* locked up (ssh?) check dmesg and messages log file maybe

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Guyfromhe:

I hav been

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Guyfromhe:

nothing interesting in there

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Egghead:

guy hang on, ill get the command to chack the pci latency

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Guyfromhe:

it doesn't seem like the system notes any errors

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fryfrog:

you might also consider an updated distro and mythtv, 0.18 is pretty old :/

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Guyfromhe:

it writes out the files like normal but they don't play right

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Guyfromhe:

I realize that

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fryfrog:

since they are mpeg2, can you play them with something else?

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fryfrog:

like mplayer/ffmpeg?

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Guyfromhe:

I don't wanna start changing software when the rpoblem came on it's own

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fryfrog:

what distro? ivtv drivers?

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Guyfromhe:

fc4

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fryfrog:

wow

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Guyfromhe:

yum install of myth

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Guyfromhe:

yeah really old shit

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Guyfromhe:

I havn't touched anything on it

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fryfrog:

i see :)

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Guyfromhe:

thats why i'm weirded out that it just up and broke

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Guyfromhe:

I like serioualy leave that system alone and let it do it's own thing

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fryfrog:

can you use yum to go from fc4 -> fcX (like debian/ubuntu can?)?

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Guyfromhe:

you can apparently

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fryfrog:

i mean, philosophically

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fryfrog:

ah

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Guyfromhe:

i've been meaning to do a clean install

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fryfrog:

i'm not an fc person :)

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fryfrog:

i'd probably stash my HD, then try a clean install

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Guyfromhe:

i don't wanna upgrade though the latest cores

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Guyfromhe:

thats what I wanna do

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fryfrog:

if it fails for some reason, you can always go back to your old HD

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Guyfromhe:

yeah

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Guyfromhe:

i'm really leaning towards a hardware issue

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Guyfromhe:

since I havn't changed _anything_ at all in software

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fryfrog:

have you played the mpeg2 files on windows or with another player?

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Guyfromhe:

or hardware for that fact, but software doesn't really degrade

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Guyfromhe:

yeah

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fryfrog:

did you simply check to see if your cpu fan is still spinning?

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Guyfromhe:

they skip and jump

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Guyfromhe:

yes

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Guyfromhe:

I re-built it the other day

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fryfrog:

humm, so the *recordings* are fucked

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Guyfromhe:

pulled everything out, reseated all the cards cleaned all the dust out

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fryfrog:

ah

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Guyfromhe:

pulled off anything that was using power that didn't need to be there

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Guyfromhe:

took fan controller out and hardwired the fans

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Guyfromhe:

yes the recordings are fucked

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fryfrog:

weird

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Guyfromhe:

and they caused the machine to hardlock when it reads a ceritan point of the file

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fryfrog:

and from both pvr devices?

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Guyfromhe:

yes

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fryfrog:

do they cause problems on other systems?

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Guyfromhe:

other systems don't lock up

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Guyfromhe:

but the video freezes and jumps

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fryfrog:

i'd have to vote for a simultanious hardware failure (unlikely) or some sort of driver / software issue :/

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Guyfromhe:

and pixelates

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Guyfromhe:

i was thinking that the PCI bus is crapped out and it's putting bad data to the cpu

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fryfrog:

i suppose there is a *chance* a surge in cable line *could* harm a card :/

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Hoochster:

Is anyone aware of any issues with MythPhone that might have changed awhile back? Used to register to my Asterisk system no problem, and sometime or another it quit, didn't pay much attention but recently wanted to get it going again.

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Guyfromhe:

or the HDD is fucked and it's writing or reading weird shit

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fryfrog:

i think you'd see a *lot* worse things if the pci buss were nuked :)

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Guyfromhe:

what if it's just some occasional gitching though

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Egghead:

yea sounds like a mother board issue

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fryfrog:

can you try one or both of the pvr cards in a windows (or another linux) box?

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Guyfromhe:

I was thinking of doing that

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Guyfromhe:

it's really random and intermittant though

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Guyfromhe:

I have my old system still here

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fryfrog:

oh, so only occasionally recordings are fucked

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fryfrog:

not all of them?

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Guyfromhe:

i was thinking of moving the tuners and hdd into that again and seeing if the problem goes away

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Guyfromhe:

more often than not, but yes

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Guyfromhe:

sometimes it's fine

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fryfrog:

weird :/

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Guyfromhe:

yeah

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Guyfromhe:

and it's not the whole show

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Guyfromhe:

just randomly during the show it'll glitch

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fryfrog:

just probably need to change one "thing" at a time and see when it gets fixed.

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Guyfromhe:

then be normal again

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Egghead:

does the system ever crash when not reading drive?

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Guyfromhe:

it's mostly watchable, but it does hardlock the system which makes it's useless

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fryfrog:

I'd *probably* start with a full upgrade of FC and Myth, be sure to re-use a copy of your db and recordings dir so you can keep using it.

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Guyfromhe:

um it's never locked up when I wasn't watching a broken mpeg

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Guyfromhe:

I also ran a ram tester on it for a full day

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fryfrog:

it is at least the cheapest way of going

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fryfrog:

i doubt both your cards are bad, so maybe if you could test in another mb/cpu

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fryfrog:

or just another mb (if you need to re-use cpu)

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k-man:

how many gigs/minute does an HD DVB-t recording take up?

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fryfrog:

mine are 7–9G, depending on reso/bitrate

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fryfrog:

oh, / min?

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Egghead:

maybe a bad power supply, when drawinf power it might get flaky

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fryfrog:

that is / hour, i'll let you do the math.

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k-man:

fryfrog, thanks

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Guyfromhe:

that was my though too

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Guyfromhe:

thats why i pulled everything

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Guyfromhe:

it was getting hot alot

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Guyfromhe:

like really hot

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k-man:

oh... HD is 7–9gig/hour?

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Guyfromhe:

so I cleaned out the fan

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fryfrog:

k-man: approx, at least ATSC here in the US

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Guyfromhe:

and pulled the stuff I didn't need

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k-man:

oh, ok

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Guyfromhe:

and now it's not getting hot

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fryfrog:

DVB-T is... not US? so that might be h264?

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Guyfromhe:

but the problem isn't gone

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fryfrog:

so maybe a bit smaller

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k-man:

fryfrog, yeah, its used in australia among other places

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fryfrog:

ah

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Guyfromhe:

it's a good psu though

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k-man:

not sure about h264 though

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Guyfromhe:

maybe it's boned though

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Egghead:

did you inspect the power supply to mb connector? for corrosion?

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Guyfromhe:

didn't notice anything weird

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Guyfromhe:

I did re-seat it

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Guyfromhe:

it's an antec 350w

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fryfrog:

i had one of those fail

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Guyfromhe:

maybe i'll borrow that spare power supply from work and see if the problem goes away

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fryfrog:

but it was a no spinning fans thing

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Guyfromhe:

the fan is spinning on mine

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fryfrog:

replaced it with a sea and sea i think :/

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Guyfromhe:

it was really dusty before the vents were clogged

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fryfrog:

yeah, i doubt mine would have failed if the fans were spinning :p

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Egghead:

worth atry

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Guyfromhe:

i'll give that a shot

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Guyfromhe:

if that fails i'll move it to the old system (ugh)

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Guyfromhe:

those are free and won't leave me with a broken system for a week

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Guyfromhe:

if that all fails i'll get a new 500 gig drive and do a clean install on that

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Guyfromhe:

and if that fails i'll kill myself

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fryfrog:

ahhaha

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Guyfromhe:

if both my tuners are boned i'll be a very unhappy man

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Guyfromhe:

that was like $400 worht of tuners back when I got it

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Egghead:

that would be a bummer

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Guyfromhe:

t'would

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Guyfromhe:

at least their chepaer now

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Guyfromhe:

if I had to buy anotehr i'd prolly just get a 500

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Egghead:

good way to think about it :)

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Guyfromhe:

i love my LCD

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Guyfromhe:

it's so awesome

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Guyfromhe:

thats like the best thing i've ever done

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Guyfromhe:

i've got the fan on it hardcore right now

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Guyfromhe:

and my remote has been stopping working in the last couple days

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Guyfromhe:

thats a weird one

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xris:

mmm.. b33r

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Guyfromhe:

and it never locks up when recoridng either

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Guyfromhe:

it has no problem making the corrupt files

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Guyfromhe:

actually i;'ve got a nice 400w server dual power supply system at work, i'll give that a shot

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supernoob:

is there a free grabber or do I have to suscribe to scheduledirect for mythtv to work?

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fryfrog:

holey cow

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Guyfromhe:

i think SD

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fryfrog:

about 2 days ago, someone found and talked about an xmltv scraper for zap

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fedorared:

supernoob: You can record without guide data but it's rather difficult

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fryfrog:

don't know much more than that

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Guyfromhe:

who would want to do that?

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supernoob:

oh

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fryfrog:

that said, the $20 per *year* for SD is way, way worth it.

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Guyfromhe:

totally

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supernoob:

can I just watch live tv in myth w/o a guide?

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Guyfromhe:

it was worth it at $15 / 3 months

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fryfrog:

supernoob: sure, but why bother?

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Guyfromhe:

seems kinda useless

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fryfrog:

supernoob: if you only want to watch live tv, grab a bttv type card and use tvtime or xawtv

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fryfrog:

and if you have an mpeg2 card, use mplayer

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Guyfromhe:

but seriously it's like $1.60 / month

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supernoob:

I have a rather cheap tv-tuner card, but it doesn't seem to work with tvtime, kdetv or xawtv

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fryfrog:

what kind of card?

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supernoob:

it's like a tv is on antenna when it should be on cable (it's really fuzzy bu I can kind of make out images in the background)

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fryfrog:

if it doesn't work with those, i don't know how much luck you'll have with *myth*

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supernoob:

it's a winTVR card, it works in winXP, but I'm trying to get away from satansoft

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fryfrog:

supernoob: oh, sounds like simple user error maybe?

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supernoob:

most likely...:) lol..any suggestions?

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fryfrog:

xawtv / tvtime / etc might be able to be put in CATV mode or something?

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fryfrog:

read the docs for tvtime / xawtv :)

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fryfrog:

if you can't get those working, myth will probably make you suicide by drowning yourself in someone else's feces

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Guyfromhe:

heh

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supernoob:

lol

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Guyfromhe:

myth rox

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supernoob:

I'll give it a shot

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supernoob:

thanks

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Guyfromhe:

I really hope I can fix my problem

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Internat3:

howdy. Im just corious to know do people typically use as the display manger for mythtv? Gnome and Kde seem a bit overkill for a media box..

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Guyfromhe:

i use KDE personally

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fryfrog:

fluxbox here

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fryfrog:

ratpoison is another lightweight option

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Guyfromhe:

i've used icewm before

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fryfrog:

or even some of the *really* primitive ones :)

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Guyfromhe:

does the new mplayer play mkvs properly?

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fryfrog:

i use mplayer to play my mkvs

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Internat3:

i have heard of using fluxbox, is it pretty straight forward? i mean all i pretty much want is to run the mythtv stuff and vnc to connect to it

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fryfrog:

the *internal* player will even *try* to play them, but it sucks.

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fryfrog:

Internat3: have you used any light weight wm?

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Guyfromhe:

it trys to play them in mplayer and mplayer locks up

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Internat3:

cant really say i have

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Guyfromhe:

but that could be because my mplayer is like 2 years old

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fryfrog:

unless your system is strapped for cpu, there isn't really any pressing need to not use gnome/kde

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Guyfromhe:

as long as the new one works

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fryfrog:

i bought a dual core cpu to make mkv playback work... then i switched from "internal" to mplayer... i see like 50–60% cpu usage :/

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Internat:

its not an old box, its just not new.. its a amd athlon 2400xp i think 1gb of ram..

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fryfrog:

so i probalby didn't even need to upgrade :/

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Guyfromhe:

prolly not

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fryfrog:

I'd go with a light weight one :/

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Guyfromhe:

i don't even use the internal one

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fryfrog:

fluxbox or ratpoison or what ever

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Guyfromhe:

I have it fork out to mplayer as the default player

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fryfrog:

internal player is *great* for other formats now though, it really is nice

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fryfrog:

looks good (same as recording playback)_

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fryfrog:

does fine on avi, dvd, iso, etc

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Guyfromhe:

ah

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fryfrog:

it just *SUCKS* with .mkv container :(

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Guyfromhe:

I really only use that for tv playback most of the time anyway

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Guyfromhe:

but I hvae to download all these shows it fucked up

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MoeGreen:

i have a whole series of tv shows in divx on a dvd. And i load it into myth and it will play just fine, and then i try the option of importing files from dvd, which takes 5 minutes..Should i now be able to watch those under videos?

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MoeGreen:

cause my videos section is empty even after it copied off the dvd

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MoeGreen:

and i opened up a term and found them under /myth/videos.

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fryfrog:

MoeGreen: i think rip dvd is supposed to be for a real dvd

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fryfrog:

if you have xvids on a dvd, just copy them over

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MoeGreen:

no not rip..import from dvd

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fryfrog:

you could switch to "file browsing" mode maybe?

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fryfrog:

or have video scan again

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MoeGreen:

how do i do that?

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fryfrog:

press "M" in the mythvideo area i think?

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MoeGreen:

k, ill try that

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fryfrog:

or change the "default" view to "file browser" or "browser" or osmething

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Guyfromhe:

wtf

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Guyfromhe:

house aired on global

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Guyfromhe:

why didn't it get recorded

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Guyfromhe:

bleh -.-

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Guyfromhe:

time to go poke around the listing

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Guyfromhe:

ah it was recorded

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Guyfromhe:

just didn't see it :P

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Guyfromhe:

and of course the recording is broken

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Guyfromhe:

oh well

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fryfrog:

new eyes, ftw!

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Guyfromhe:

haha

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Guyfromhe:

winnipeg ftw

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Guyfromhe:

unforutanee it was broken

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Guyfromhe:

otherwise I could lie down and watch it

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Guyfromhe:

oh well

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fryfrog:

time to rebuild that shit!

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fryfrog:

tear it down!

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bsdfox_:

anyone got ideas why X uses 95% of the cpu and mythfrontend uses like 10% when watching regular standard def tv? is it an nvidia driver thing?

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fryfrog:

miss-configuration maybe?

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fryfrog:

low cpu?

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bsdfox_:

core2 :P

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fryfrog:

thats fucked

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fryfrog:

:)

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bsdfox_:

it doesn't play slow or work strange at all

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fryfrog:

hummm

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fryfrog:

which playback... things are you using?

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bsdfox_:

I get about 7% X and 5% mythfrontend on a celeron 1000 doing the same thing

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bsdfox_:

but it's running very old drivers cause it's a geforce4

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fryfrog:

I don't think it'd even register on my X2 4200+ :/

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fryfrog:

anything revealing in log files?

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fryfrog:

what happens if you use mplayer or xine to play the same mpeg2 file?

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bsdfox_:

enable opengl vertical sync for timing is on

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bsdfox_:

nah

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bsdfox_:

and CPU+ for current video playback profile

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bsdfox_:

1 sec

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fryfrog:

oh, gah, i hate the new playback thing :/

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fryfrog:

so many options, took me for ever to find the "right" one

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bsdfox_:

fryfrog: 1% and 7% on mplayer

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fryfrog:

sounds like something is quite mal-configured then, for surezies

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DGnome:

bsdfox_: do you have Option "UseEvents" "True" in your xorg.conf ?

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DGnome:

bsdfox_: and it's a good idea to get the latest nvidia driver also

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DGnome:

bsdfox_: When using GreedyH 2x or Yadif 2x the UseEvents option is a must, xorg is left in a busy loop while waiting for th next frame otherwise.

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bsdfox_:

DGnome: what section?

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baalsgate:

hi guys

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baalsgate:

i installed mythbuntu it starts up automaticly loggin in im wondering where it sets the user its logging into X as ?

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baalsgate:

hello

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bsdfox_:

baalsgate: I'm sure it's just a default

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bsdfox_:

probably "mythtv" or "mythuser" or something stupi

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baalsgate:

that would be good if that was the case as i need to change the user to myth

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DGnome:

bsdfox_: ohh, the device section if can recall correctly, same place where modeline validation options go

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bsdfox_:

ahh monitor then

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baalsgate:

it has a mythtv user and the installed user from install time , I want it to boot into the X as the mythtv user and not the user from the install but as there is no inittab and im not sure of the boot sequence I cant find where its setting up the user to load X

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bsdfox_:

might ask #ubuntu

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bsdfox_:

I doubt they'll be helpful though

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DGnome:

bsdfox_: section screen

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JohnQ:

Is there any trick to getting mythvide (mplayer, I guess) to use a .srt file for subtitles?

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justinh:

it isn't mplayer by default anymore. it's Internal by default. that isn't mplayer either btw

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JohnQ:

mythvideo still seems to be using mplayer for me/

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justinh:

apparently the Internal player should read .srt files just fine. although that might only be in trunk

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JohnQ:

Right... but it isnt using the internal player for this file, apparently... dunno why

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justinh:

so make it use the Internal player then

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justinh:

anyway mplayer should work with srt files, so long as the filename is the same as the video you're playing – obviously apart from the extension ;)

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JohnQ:

can internal play XviD avi files?

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JohnQ:

It is.. foo.avi and foo.srt

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justinh:

yeah it'll play xvid fine

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justinh:

as far as I know it won't automagically show the subtitles unless you set it to

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JohnQ:

hrm

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justinh:

press T to show subtitles

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JohnQ:

AH! fixed it. permisions error

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