Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, January 28th, 2008, 00:01 UTC

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roothorick:

EIT provides enough data that Myth should catch each instance of a program, correct?

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daMaestro:

is anyone else getting shit data for Sun Feb 3, 2008?

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iamlindoro:

Not in the US it doesn't

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iamlindoro:

Loos pretty normal to me

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iamlindoro:

looks

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roothorick:

iamlindoro: so if I'm relying exclusively on EIT, there'll be times when Myth won't know what's coming on two hours from now?

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iamlindoro:

EIT in the US in general stinks or is often nonexistent... You'll be lucky if you can get any of your scheduled stuff to work

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roothorick:

(I have a suspicion that locally, TWC feeds their cable boxes schedules via EIT)

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code-er:

ok, my frontend crashes . if i watch a recording, or live tv. The whole box freeze. picture freezes keyboard doesnt respond. any Ideas?

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roothorick:

in any case, I'm going to give it a shot

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code-er:

.

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ylsf:

I am trying to setup my backend for remote access... the instructions I read on Knoppmyth wiki say to change the server to the IP address of that machine vs. using "localhost"

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ylsf:

However, when I do that, it doesn't connect to the database (teh frontend on the same machine as the backend)

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ylsf:

I checked the IP via "ifconfig"... any ideas?

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seth|work:

mysql.txt is probably set to localhost, which defaults to 127.0.0.1 if you change the BE to an ip address, make sure you have an entry in /etc/hosts for a hostsname/ip address of BE and then change the mysql.txt file to reflect that hostname

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ylsf:

seth: I did check the mysql (under /etc/mythtv) and it is set for the correct IP. I will check the etc/hosts directory

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ylsf:

ok, checked that file. There is just 127.0.0.1

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code-er:

ok, my frontend crashes . if i watch a recording, or live tv. The whole box freeze. picture freezes keyboard doesnt respond. any Ideas?

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ylsf:

I changed the 127.0.0.1 beside my desktop name to my local IP address. I then went to the mythbunto config screen but the test button still doesn't work using my "server" address as my ip address

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iamlindoro:

sounds like a job for #ubuntu-mythtv

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ylsf:

ok, thanks, didn't know there was a specifc seperate channel for it

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iamlindoro:

yup

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archpollux:

so anyone knows how to change fonts for mythvideo?

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seth|work:

ok ylsf. make sure you still have a localhost file that has a 127.0.0.1 entry in /etc/hosts, keep your pc ip and its host name on adifferent line, otherwise you could run into other issues

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seth|work:

:)

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seth|work:

like : 127.0.0.1 localhost loghost and then another line your.ip.addy.here hostname

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iamlindoro:

archpollux: you would need to edit the theme XMLs

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archpollux:

iamlindoro: cool, thanks!

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iamlindoro:

np

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archpollux:

iamlindoro: for size as well?

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seth|work:

man its been a while since I've been in here

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iamlindoro:

yep

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seth|work:

darn that LinuxMCE project :)

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archpollux:

iamlindoro: can i customize them in the user's homedir>

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archpollux:

?

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iamlindoro:

archpollux: yes

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archpollux:

iamlindoro: ~/.mythtv/themes/ ?

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iamlindoro:

haven't done it in a long whilt, theme.xml in the ~/.mythtv may be enough. No access to my myth box right now.

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iamlindoro:

er long while

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archpollux:

iamlindoro: ok, thanks a lot!

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iamlindoro:

no problm, a little experimentation ought to get you the rest of the way

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archpollux:

iamlindoro: hmm, not workie... but i guess i can debug

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archpollux:

i.e. enable debugging... how? :)

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seth|work:

so, storage groups working well in mythtv these days?

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code-er:

ok, my frontend crashes . if i watch a recording, or live tv. The whole box freeze. picture freezes keyboard doesnt respond. any Ideas?

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Kazan:

is there a memory leak in frontend on trunk right now?

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Kazan:

14574 mythtv 20 0 1427m 477m 35m S 10 47.6 35:28.54 mythfrontend

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GreyFoxx:

If there is you are the first to notice/report it

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code-er:

any one have any ideas where i can look for this freeze up

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Kazan:

frontend, as you can see, is using 1427m virt, 478m res

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clever:

ouch

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clever:

get valgrind!

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Miranda:

I understand "bigger is better", but Which TVout should be supported with the least difficulty, GeForce 2 GTS, or Geforce 6800 Ultra OC ?

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Anduin:

Miranda: It is likely that the 6800 would be easier, more people likely to have tried it recently.

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Miranda:

kk

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directhex:

don't use tvout on geforce cards older than gf5

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directhex:

it'll work, but the image quality is questionable at best

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directhex:

they only started getting a decent image on some (but not all) gf4ti cards, but any gf5 or higher is fine

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Miranda:

sigh.. I just really wish I could get this Radeon 7000 working

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Miranda:

the X driver doesn't even see that the composite cable is attached to something

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code-er:

Miranda: good luck.. gatos is a pain to get working sometimes

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code-er:

Miranda: i got my 7000 working by patching the X on fedora 6 myself

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Miranda:

code-er, yeah, I'm in that dilemma myself... gentoo makes source patched a PITA

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code-er:

Miranda: i just bought a nvidia for 50 bucks.. cuase i had enough

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code-er:

any one know why my frontend would FEEZE the computer. where can i look for posible problems

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Miranda:

Well, if it comes down to it, I'll just throw that 6800 Ultra in it... I sold that PC to my mom, I wonder if she wouldn't mind a trade

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code-er:

nvidia drivers are great )

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code-er:

:)

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Miranda:

code-er, no idea on the freeze issue, I assume logs fail to mention anything?

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code-er:

Miranda: yes,

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code-er:

messages doesnt say anything either

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code-er:

messages doesnt say anything either

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code-er:

frontend doesnt say anything

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code-er:

mythbackend is on a notehr computer.. no problems there either. (that comptuer doesnt crash)

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Miranda:

and it locks up the entire PC?

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code-er:

Miranda: the image on the screen freezs

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code-er:

cant ssh or swich screens with keyboard

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Miranda:

yeah, hardlock..

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code-er:

so yes

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Miranda:

just a WAG, but I think it's kernel-related

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code-er:

Miranda: doest show a kernel dump.. cause the screen is in X

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code-er:

but i donno what to dso lol

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Miranda:

code-er, mabye load the mythfrontend program via an ssh terminal?

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Miranda:

that way you can see CLI output while the video is playing

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code-er:

Miranda: i had mythfrontend logging to a file.. nothign in the file..

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Miranda:

mmm

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t0ny-p40:

Why would my mythtv box be recording cops on trutv, chan 60. But in mythweb it says 60 is cmtv and gone country is on?

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code-er:

t0ny-p40: differnt tuners ?!?!

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t0ny-p40:

Nope

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Miranda:

t0ny-p40, mabye your channel sources are wrong in schedulesdirect?

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Miranda:

code-er, you said fedora?

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code-er:

fedora 8

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Miranda:

what filesystem are you running?

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t0ny-p40:

I think my cable co just switched channels or something

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t0ny-p40:

last week we did not have trutv

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code-er:

/dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw)

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Miranda:

code-er, that's your only data partition?

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t0ny-p40:

The shows on upcomming say its trutv but the listing says different.

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code-er:

this computer does NOT have mythbackend running

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code-er:

192.168.32.225:/var/lib/mythtv on /var/lib/mythtv type nfs (rw,addr=192.168.32.225)

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code-er:

mounted that on the frontend from the backend (same path)

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Miranda:

mmk.

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t0ny-p40:

255?

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code-er:

no

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code-er:

225

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code-er:

LOL

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t0ny-p40:

err

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t0ny-p40:

I read that wrong :p

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code-er:

=)

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code-er:

to bad you cant pipe or tail dmesg lOl

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roothorick:

out of all the Linux distros, you know who has hardware compatibility together the most?

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code-er:

roothorick: umm... kernels are kernels :-P

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roothorick:

I mean in terms of autodetecting hardware and etc

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roothorick:

code-er: yeah, but udev / hotplug rules vary widely

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roothorick:

Gentoo really seems to have hardware detection down more than other distros, ironically

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code-er:

lol true enough

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roothorick:

for instance, I bought a card that you need bleeding-edge DVB drivers for

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code-er:

i have a DVB card that works in kernel 18 but not in 22 or higher.....

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roothorick:

I just emerged v4l-dvb-hg, popped the firmware in the proper place, and simply rebooted

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roothorick:

when the system came back up, it recognized, loaded, and initted the card automatically, despite having never even seen it before

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roothorick:

that was a real "wow" moment for me

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code-er:

so any one know where i could look why my puter locks up

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Miranda:

roothorick, agreed, the gentoo livecds have never failed me.

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roothorick:

Miranda: this was on an actual to-hard-drive install of Gentoo

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roothorick:

code-er: x86/amd64?

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Miranda:

roothorick, you can use genkernel and it will probe for hardware the same way the livecd does

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code-er:

model name : Pentium III (Coppermine)

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code-er:

stepping : 10

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code-er:

cpu MHz : 937.344

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Miranda:

okay, bear with me guys

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roothorick:

code-er: do the numlock and/or capslock and/or scroll lock lights start blinking when it locks up?

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code-er:

no

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code-er:

network dies

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roothorick:

when does the freeze happen?

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code-er:

and cant swich screens

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code-er:

when i try wathing live tv, play recorded show

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roothorick:

sounds like a resource conflict

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code-er:

sometimes it starts up.. plays for a while.. then locks.. usualy it locks within the first few seconds

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Miranda:

mabye something with NFS?

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roothorick:

I suggest going into your BIOS and disabling everything you can

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code-er:

roothorick: wish i knew how to flash my bios lOl

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code-er:

its an old hp board...

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roothorick:

code-er: don't need to.

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code-er:

no idea what kind though

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roothorick:

oh geez, hp...

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Miranda:

Okay, I've got an old card pulled from a closed system camera DVR (so no tuner) that has a composite output to a monitor..

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roothorick:

I don't remember what the BIOS setup button is on HPs

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code-er:

roothorick: yeh.. and it wont survive a soft reboot.. i think USB freezs

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code-er:

f1

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roothorick:

there you go

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code-er:

roothorick: but hard reboot works fine

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Miranda:

I have no idea who makes this card. How hard do you guys think it would be to get it working?

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roothorick:

anything that uses an I/O port, interrupt, DMA, you name it, turn it off

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roothorick:

Miranda: you see those big black square looking things on it?

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Miranda:

Yep.. It's got 4 phillips encoders on it

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Miranda:

and a HiNT pci-pci bridge

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roothorick:

what does the biggest one say on it?

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code-er:

0: 1348712 XT-PIC-XT timer

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code-er:

1: 2 XT-PIC-XT i8042

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code-er:

2: 0 XT-PIC-XT cascade

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code-er:

8: 2 XT-PIC-XT rtc

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code-er:

9: 4060 XT-PIC-XT eth0

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code-er:

10: 75393 XT-PIC-XT nvidia

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code-er:

11: 18051 XT-PIC-XT uhci_hcd:usb1

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Miranda:

I don't know what the decoder would be

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code-er:

12: 4 XT-PIC-XT i8042

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code-er:

14: 4967 XT-PIC-XT libata

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code-er:

15: 0 XT-PIC-XT libata

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roothorick:

uhhhhhh

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code-er:

doh sorry should of paste binned that.

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roothorick:

yeah...

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Miranda:

roothorick, there are 4 of the largest size, Phillips SAA7146AH

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Miranda:

One slightly smaller, XILINX XC95144XL

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code-er:

hey do you guys know if the plextor hdtv drivers are in devel at all?

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roothorick:

Miranda: I'm guessing it's a DVB-C card?

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roothorick:

Miranda: also, the SAA7146AH is a PCI bridge... what does a capture card need with four PCI bridges... O.O

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Miranda:

roothorick, um, If I'd have to guess it would be NTSC.. I'm in the states

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Miranda:

it's the card the cameras physically attached to

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Miranda:

there's a daughterboard with a dongle and 8 or so BNC connectors

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roothorick:

any other ICs with markings?

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Miranda:

Techwell TW9903

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code-er:

hey, any one here use the creative sb0409 usb audio?

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roothorick:

the Xilinx is a CPLD

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roothorick:

could be much of anything

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roothorick:

the Techwell is a high-end video decoder

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roothorick:

neither chip is mentioned in the wiki

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roothorick:

so, slim to no chance

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Miranda:

There's a white sticker on the back that says CH08 – C1200325 – 007

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roothorick:

that there's existing or in development drivers for the card

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Miranda:

let me throw it in the box and see what lspci sees it as

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roothorick:

that could be quite literally anything

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Miranda:

heheh

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Miranda:

I wonder if KnoppMyth's distro will boot any faster than my gentoo install does..

[02:25:58]

Miranda:

the gentoo's sorta slow

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roothorick:

oh, I should've warned you

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roothorick:

just because it looks like a PCI card, and fits in a PCI slot, doesn't mean it is, in fact, a PCI card

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Miranda:

Oh, this *is* a pci card... it was installed in this computer up at work... unless you're getting at something else

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roothorick:

so you put it in a PCI slot, and it didn't blow up, and the OS acknowledged that it was present?

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Miranda:

http://pastebin.com/m11fe87c7

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Miranda:

roothorick, yep

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Miranda:

I've probably got win32 drivers

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Miranda:

I'd have to pull them off the old HD

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Miranda:

00:03.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P PCI to CSA Bridge

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Miranda:

dunno wtf that is

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roothorick:

interesting, it's four cards in one

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Miranda:

03:04.0 PCI bridge: Hint Corp HB6 Universal PCI-PCI bridge (non-transparent mode) – there's the hint bridge

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Miranda:

roothorick, yeah

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Miranda:

none of those look like an output though

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roothorick:

try playing with the saa7146 and saa7146_vv drivers

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roothorick:

maybe you could get some interesting messages just by loading the modules

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roothorick:

and looking in dmesg

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Miranda:

I'd have to compile the modules

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roothorick:

get to it :)

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Miranda:

done

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Miranda:

nothing on dmesg

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foobert:

item #2 on my list of unsolved mythbox unoyances: mythbackend does not find the pchdtv5500 capture card after a reboot. Wait, ohh, a half hour later and try again and then it will find it.

[03:07:47]

foobert:

any thoughts what is timing out that lets it find it?

[03:08:40]

cesman:

perhaps the issue is hardware and not MythTV

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cesman:

check your logs

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foobert:

Nothing jumps out at me.

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foobert:

card is recognized during PCI scan at boot.

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foobert:

I'm not convinced there isn't some other issue going on. For several years, I never had a tuner card in this box and all was working fine as a front-end. After putting the card in, lirc started behaiving irratically — button presses lag or do not register at all. irw shows the identical response

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roothorick:

err uh

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roothorick:

where's the "Analog Options" button that the manual talks about?

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roothorick:

okay, if I'm scanning for digital channels, do I have a way of knowing whether the scan is even working?

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foobert:

it doesn't give you a progress status?

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roothorick:

it does, but it's not finding anything

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iamlindoro__:

You need to be patient. What you know as channel 2 doesn't usually live on channel 2 in the frequencies.

[03:58:04]

iamlindoro__:

My channel 2 is ATSC channel 93.

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roothorick:

so what TWC's STB says is channel X has absolutely no relation to what the actual channels are

[03:58:44]

roothorick:

on a related note, I have no idea what version of QAM they use here

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iamlindoro__:

correct

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iamlindoro__:

All US digital cable is QAM 64 or 256. Usually 256.

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roothorick:

hmm

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roothorick:

I'll try 256, if it produces zero channels, I'll try 64

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roothorick:

does "Channel Separator" actually have any bearing when scanning?

[04:01:44]

iamlindoro__:

no.

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iamlindoro__:

It is purely for presentation purposes in the EPG

[04:02:38]

roothorick:

and as for frequency table, I assume that if analog scanning with the regular us-cable table worked, then I'm not getting HRC or IRC or whatever

[04:03:10]

iamlindoro__:

Correct. And very very few people need anything besides regular us-cable

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roothorick:

welp, QAM-256 scan running now

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** AcTiVaTe prefers europe frequencies tho ;) **

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roothorick:

one thing is for sure, this interface is confusing, especially when you know next to nothing about digital cable

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AcTiVaTe:

I still have to put my channels correctly. I had them all working nicely with the program guide. But then when still setting up I removed a capture source and readded it and now my channels are a mess :/

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roothorick:

oh my, looks like it found channels

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roothorick:

iamlindoro__: btw, I have a digital/analog combo card, and the manual said something about using an "Analog Settings" in the capture devices section, but I could find no such setting

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roothorick:

I just set up the digital and analog parts as two separate cards for now

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roothorick:

what the... it's like the cable suddenly went out

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roothorick:

this was working before, now I'm just getting technicolor static

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roothorick:

heh. Heat problem.

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roothorick:

the Conexant chip doesn't like being so close to a GeForce 2's heatsink

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AngryElf:

oddly, mythfrontend has just started to kill off X — I dumped the output to a textfile and the last thing is "Switching to square mode (Iulius)"

[04:30:47]

AngryElf:

I haven't changed any myth settings, and unless an automatic update did something, i'm actually not aware of any changes

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AngryElf:

so, maybe it's Iulius and/or I need to reset my display settings to default? But I don't know how to do that from the command line, any suggestions?

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AcTiVaTe:

That's the theme right?

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AngryElf:

yea

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AcTiVaTe:

I believe you can specify a theme on the command line

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AcTiVaTe:

And you might wanna try it out in Xnest, keeps yer X from crashing ;)

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iamlindoro__:

AngryElf: mythfrontend -O Theme=themename

[04:33:17]

AngryElf:

what's another theme name?

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iamlindoro__:

eg mythfrontend -O Theme=G.A.N.T

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iamlindoro__:

Although in the override it may not have the periods

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AngryElf:

trying — this might kill X so i'll brb

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iamlindoro__:

heh

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AngryElf:

didn't work, same messages in the log but with GANT this time — i'll try rebuilding myth sometime later unless anyone knows a better idea

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AcTiVaTe:

AngryElf: To keep X from crashing you can run Xnest :1 and then just run mythfrontend -display :1 to keep you from restarting X

[04:38:53]

AngryElf:

Xlib: connection to ":1.0" refused by server

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AngryElf:

Xlib: No protocol specified

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AngryElf:

does that support have to be compiled in

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AngryElf:

?

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AcTiVaTe:

You just need to have Xnest running

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AngryElf:

yea, I am xnest is blocking clients from connecting

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AngryElf:

got it, mfs starts in the xterm, but not normally? :(

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AngryElf:

*mfe

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roothorick:

well, I got a lemon tuner card

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roothorick:

fault in the Conexant chip causes it to overheat almost instantly

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roothorick:

whereupon it basically shuts down

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compy:

which one do you suggest openbox or fluxbox and why?

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roothorick:

honestly? If it's a box completely and totally dedicated to MythTV, ratpoison is a better answer

[04:54:37]

roothorick:

all you need the WM to do, after all, is switch focus around appropriately

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compy:

roothorick, i use it as a desktop for time being untill i get everything going

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roothorick:

heh

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compy:

then it will be media and i will use k9copy as well

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roothorick:

then fluxbox because I've never used openbox ;)

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ShiftyPowers:

does anyone know if it's possible to have mythtv output the same content to two different screens at different resolutions?

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compy:

roothorick, lol

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ShiftyPowers:

i have a projector but i'm think ing of getting a monitor to be my daytime viewer

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a1fa:

hey. whats up with snapshots in mythweb

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a1fa:

none of the program have a thumbnail, and there is no flash stream in firefox

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iamlindoro__:

Would probably help if you said what distro and version you were running...

[05:23:09]

iamlindoro__:

But I'l go out on a limb and guess Mythbuntu weeklies

[05:26:19]

iamlindoro__:

But I'll wait on answering the question until you answer...

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CCFL_Man2:

mp2 can be streamed via shoutcast?

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MoeGreen:

so do the people in here with an stb like directv use an IR blaster for channel changes and use your keyboard for mythtv navigation?

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GreyFoxx:

I'm sure most use a remote for myth navigation as well

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GreyFoxx:

but you could do it with akeyboard

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MoeGreen:

im just trying to figure out what people do that only have one serial port when the homemade recievers and ir blasters both use serial

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iamlindoro__:

Buy USB receivers

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GreyFoxx:

buy usb ones

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MoeGreen:

usb blaster or reciever?

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GreyFoxx:

or buy a USB -> serial adapter

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iamlindoro__:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

Or use a MCE usb reciever which is also an IR blaster

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MoeGreen:

do people typically have 2 remotes? one for the channel changes, and the other for myth navigation?

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GreyFoxx:

I've got a homemade ir blaster here which I use to use with a usb -> serial adapter when I moved it from amachine to a new one which didn't have serial ports

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GreyFoxx:

MoeGreen: what do you mean? Why would you need a seperate remote for channel changes ?

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GreyFoxx:

or are you referring to when not using myth ?

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bsdfox_:

anyone got advice for getting lirc working with a pci serial port?

[05:52:27]

bsdfox_:

I think I'm probably just addressing it wrong but..

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MoeGreen:

woops nevermind i understand..all you need on the remote for the blaster is up and down channel buttons and then on the myth side you need arrow keys and enter.

[05:53:32]

MoeGreen:

i was thinking wrong at first

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iamlindoro__:

Uhh... I think you're still thinking wrong

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GreyFoxx:

MoeGreen: Your remote wont directly use the ir blaster at all

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GreyFoxx:

your remote talks to myth

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MoeGreen:

right thats what i meant

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GreyFoxx:

and myth tells the IR blaster to execute a ir signal as needed for channel changes

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MoeGreen:

myth will send a signal to my stb via the blaster

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GreyFoxx:

usually done with an external channel change script

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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MoeGreen:

10–4

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MoeGreen:

looks like i need to get a usb serial adapter.

[05:55:32]

MoeGreen:

greygoxx, was it just a generic adapter you got?

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GreyFoxx:

MoeGreen: some airlink adapter

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GreyFoxx:

basically whatever they had on the shelf when I popped into the store :)

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MoeGreen:

cool ill check it out

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MoeGreen:

1 more thing...for people that have cable tv, all they need is a serial receiver right?

[05:57:21]

GreyFoxx:

for controlling the box ?

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GreyFoxx:

IT's kinda iffy. Some cableco's disable the serial ports. though many will turn them on if you call and say you bought a tivo and want to use it

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MoeGreen:

well i was just thinking if they dont have a stb, then i figure the reciever will change the channels on the tuner card

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GreyFoxx:

If you don;t have a STB, the tuner will change the channel :)

[05:58:35]

GreyFoxx:

nothing external needed

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GreyFoxx:

oh sorry now I understand you

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GreyFoxx:

yes a single IR receiver is fine in that case

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MoeGreen:

was it like this? http://www.airlink101.com/products/ac-usbs.html

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GreyFoxx:

yeah that's the one

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MoeGreen:

and you had no problems running your blaster off that?

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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MoeGreen:

sweet ill buy it, i already built my serial reciever so i should be good to go :)

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GreyFoxx:

only needed it for a couple months on the work myth box. Cause we picked up some QAM capable dvb cards, and got a firewire capable STB andreturned the older digital cable box :)

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xris:

a1fa: you ever get an answer to your mythweb question?

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MoeGreen:

Hey greygoxx, you built your own IR blaster too?

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MoeGreen:

ive only seen plans on building your own serial reciever which i did, but where did you find the plans?

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ronpaul:

help...I can't figure out how to get MythTV to work

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ronpaul:

I have it installed but all it gives me is this settings thing where it asks for language, then a server

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Dagmar:

Then you should read the installation documentation

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

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ronpaul:

thanks

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ronpaul:

I think I'm in the database configurating

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ronpaul:

*configuration

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mistone:

what is a good usb tv tuner that picks up hdtv, has an analog tv input and works with mythtv?

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mistone:

it doesn't need to be portable

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drgeb:

hi I am using compiz and for some reason when attempting to view a show mythtv crashes and restarts anyway I can track why this is happening and how to fix it ?

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amrit:

so i did something stupid. while things were running, i adjusted my clock – and accidentally set it to nov 2008 instead of jan 2008. i think myth now thinks that all the future shows until nov have been recorded. how can make it stop thinking this?

[08:15:47]

amrit:

(will prob re-paste that in the morning when people are around :) )

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Dagmar:

Set the clock back to the correct time, run mythfilldatabase iwth the option that makes it reget _everything_ and then restart the backend

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amrit:

Dagmar: ok, trying --refresh-all

[08:35:44]

amrit:

hm. looks like it didn't help. not sure... will have to see what it tries to do tomorrow when there are things to be recorded, i guess

[08:36:44]

Dagmar:

schedule the thing to record the very next show that's broadcast

[08:37:07]

Dagmar:

Damn this 16:9 stretch code _looks_ correct

[08:40:11]

Dagmar:

Code should take into account the aspect ratios of both the video as

[08:40:11]

Dagmar:

well as the actual screen to allow proper letterboxing to take place.

[08:40:17]

Dagmar:

...suuuuure it does

[08:41:23]

justinh:

4:3 channels which letterbox 16:9 content as 14:9 are evil

[08:42:20]

justinh:

all the blether about hd?! pointless until everything is 16:9

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Dagmar:

I think perhaps the issue is that the myht box CAN'T properly compute this

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Dagmar:

I haven't seen any sign that it knows it's on a 16:9 display yet

[08:43:52]

DGnome:

no problem with 16:9 display

[08:44:14]

DGnome:

Works fine with my 1080p panel

[08:44:23]

Dagmar:

So use 16:9 Stretch mode

[08:44:48]

DGnome:

Why does it work, because new panels have square pixels

[08:44:58]

Dagmar:

Beg pardon?

[08:45:07]

DGnome:

and a ratio of 16:9 pixels

[08:45:19]

DGnome:

for lcd:s that is

[08:45:35]

DGnome:

no need for stretching

[08:45:47]

Dagmar:

I'll say again, try using 16:9 Stretch mode to de-windowbox 4:3 content.

[08:45:56]

Dagmar:

THEN you can start talking about whether or not you think it works

[08:46:21]

DGnome:

I have no problems de-windowboxing 4:3 content

[08:46:30]

DGnome:

i usually don't even bother

[08:46:33]

Dagmar:

You don't get a significant amount of overlap?

[08:46:45]

Dagmar:

...because I damn well do.

[08:47:17]

DGnome:

Well, one of those options for "Adjust Fill" does a good job

[08:47:25]

Tanthrix:

DGnome: He's talking about letterboxed content on a 4:3 video stream. The result is both horizontal and verticle black bars. The 16:9 stretch is supposed to fix that, but it overscans too much.

[08:47:31]

Dagmar:

Ah yes the "some option I can't really name fixes this" answer

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DGnome:

Dagmar: correct

[08:47:50]

Dagmar:

No, it's nonsense.

[08:48:06]

Dagmar:

A moment ago you said there was no problem.

[08:48:08]

Tanthrix:

DGnome: It works, but you end up missing a fair amount of the original video stream, which really matters when you're already dealing with such a low quality cropped video stream.

[08:48:13]

Dagmar:

Now you say there's a fix for it, but you can't name it.

[08:48:22]

DGnome:

I usually don't even bother watching socalled non-anamorphic widescreen content

[08:48:41]

Dagmar:

Yeah, well, good for you.

[08:48:54]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: So you got it working nicely?

[08:48:59]

Dagmar:

For the rest of us, there's a rather large and ever-increasing amount of stuff being broadcast letterboxed.

[08:49:12]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Not yet. I am digging through the code and doing some math

[08:49:29]

Dagmar:

I found where it sets the scaling

[08:49:44]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Let me know what you come up with. I'd be willing to test if need be, especially since this is something that has bugged me for some time.

[08:49:58]

Dagmar:

It's basically right there in line 784 of libs/libmythtv/videooutbase.cpp

[08:50:22]

Dagmar:

It _looks_ kosher, which means there's an assumption somewhere else I'm getting dead wrong.

[08:50:45]

Dagmar:

I suspect it's got something to do with Myth not really caring much what aspect the output display is. Not 100% sure about that tho

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Dagmar:

I'm basically plugging numbers into a formula or three trying to come up with the same values Myth is apparently doing

[08:51:58]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: You'd think it would just be a simple number that determines how much the content is zoomed in, since that's all it's doing for 16:9 stretch.

[08:52:08]

Tanthrix:

It's never that easy though.

[08:52:17]

Dagmar:

NOpe

[08:52:24]

Tanthrix:

Best of luck.

[08:52:35]

Dagmar:

Just working these numbers out makes me wish my calculus wasn't so rusty

[08:52:53]

Dagmar:

Basically, I've got a 1366x768 display, with an aspect of 16:9... No problem there.

[08:53:03]

siXy:

just out of interest, does your tv have a 16:9 stretch mode that solves this?

[08:53:08]

Dagmar:

So a 4:3 image stuck in the middle of that should actually come out to 1024x768. Again, no real problem there.

[08:53:27]

Dagmar:

siXy: Yes, I really want to have to have two remotes in my lap at all times

[08:54:33]

Dagmar:

So the 16:9 image embedded in the 4:3 image being displayed in the 16:9 panel, *should* be ... 1024x576

[08:55:08]

Dagmar:

....which means that what's in videooutbase.cpp should damn well work

[08:55:22]

Dagmar:

display_video_rect.setWidth(display_video_rect.width() * 4 / 3);

[08:55:39]

Dagmar:

Maybe both X and Y have to be forced

[08:56:25]

Dagmar:

Looks like it's time to break out the Qt reference manual

[08:57:17]

Dagmar:

I am probably going to be sticking so many printfs into this...

[08:57:54]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: Have you set the option in setup for 4:3/16:9?

[08:58:07]

Dibblah:

(Applies if Xinerama is active)

[08:58:08]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: That's _probably_ what the missing piece is

[08:58:27]

Dagmar:

The only thing I have been able to find that would screw this up if is Myth thought the actual display were a different aspect from what it is

[08:58:34]

Dagmar:

s/would/could/;

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Dagmar:

So there's something somewhere in the setup that actually tells myth if the output display is 16:9 or 4:3 then?

[08:59:17]

bsdfox:

Dagmar: you can force an aspect ratio

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Dagmar:

bsdfox: See, you say that "aspect ratio" phrase without tying it to any object

[09:00:15]

bsdfox:

are you retarded?

[09:00:17]

Dagmar:

Setting the aspect ratio on _what_

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: Appearance settings / Screen settings

[09:02:54]

Dibblah:

If it's there.

[09:03:02]

Dibblah:

Otherwise, it's one of two things.

[09:03:13]

Dibblah:

Displaysize is wrong.

[09:03:24]

Dagmar:

k. I'm writing that down so I can pull it up once I get home

[09:03:28]

Dibblah:

Or you're using an nvidia card.

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siXy:

can you scale video to a non-integer value?

[09:03:40]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I'm using an nVidia card. Why would that be significant?

[09:03:52]

Dibblah:

nVidia is cheap.

[09:03:55]

Dagmar:

I'm using the VGA output actually, which should make this pretty simple.

[09:04:06]

Dibblah:

And requires modes to be multiples of 8.

[09:04:13]

Dibblah:

... Which 1366 isn't.

[09:04:13]

siXy:

as 1024*4/3 returns 1365.3r

[09:04:31]

Dagmar:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1360 x 768

[09:04:36]

Dagmar:

Not really a problem..

[09:04:53]

Dagmar:

Believe me, I already noticed the six pixel offset.

[09:04:59]

Dibblah:

So, if you're not giving an nvidia compatible modeline, it actually runs in 1024x768.

[09:05:05]

Dagmar:

No, it doesn't.

[09:05:17]

Dibblah:

Okay. Whatever.

[09:05:38]

Dagmar:

It's running in 1360x768. Of this I can be sure because I've already sat down and put together a 1360x768 image and put it on the root window using BLackbox.

[09:05:48]

Dagmar:

Every single pixel is rock solid, crystal clear

[09:06:01]

Dagmar:

No blurry anything from where a pixel doesn't line up with the actual screen

[09:07:08]

Dagmar:

8 divides into 1360 170 times anyway

[09:07:37]

Dibblah:

All I am saying is that if you were to have a truely correct modeline, the nvidia driver rejects it.

[09:07:46]

Dagmar:

If I were using S-video output or something, it might screw this up, but that's the main reason I shelled out the ridiculous $50 the store wanted for a VGA cable

[09:07:59]

Dibblah:

ie 1366 addressable columns.

[09:08:08]

Dagmar:

Yeah, and that's not a problem here.

[09:08:16]

Dibblah:

... Which works fine on Intel ;)

[09:08:24]

Dagmar:

It's definitely running 1360x768

[09:08:47]

Dibblah:

So, the other option is that your displaysize is getting computed incorrectly.

[09:08:50]

Dagmar:

Yep

[09:09:08]

Dagmar:

I'm also about to make sure Scifi isn't doing some crackheaded thing with their letterboxing

[09:09:10]

Dibblah:

So you need to force that, which is well documented.

[09:09:47]

siXy:

well, trying to scale a video stream to 1365.3333333r x 768 sounds likely to fail to me...

[09:10:28]

Dagmar:

o.O

[09:10:52]

Dagmar:

siXy: So you're saying what? That it should just be segfaulting and disappearing entirely?

[09:10:59]

Dagmar:

No wonder this is malfunctioning

[09:11:35]

siXy:

Dagmar: not sure what it would actually do, but i can't imagine it succeeding

[09:12:02]

siXy:

trying to find some good maths to end up with 1360 instead

[09:12:21]

Dibblah:

siXy: There isn't any.

[09:12:31]

Dibblah:

1360 is a made up modeline.

[09:12:56]

Dibblah:

It's got 6 non-addressable pixels – 3 on either side of the picture, if it's set up right.

[09:13:24]

Dibblah:

Non-integer scaling works just fine in Myth.

[09:13:57]

Dibblah:

(Well, actually, XV, since Myth does no scaling in any mode anyone would be using in production)

[09:14:52]

Dagmar:

siXy: It's called "The nVidia card, the LCD TV, and X are coming to the best possible conclusion about what resolution the display can handle natively."

[09:15:07]

Dagmar:

It's not a modeline at all.

[09:15:38]

Dagmar:

There's practically nothing but a DPI setting and a NoLogo option in the xorg.conf to be sure that those pieces have free reign to decide what is correct.

[09:15:41]

Dibblah:

It ends up being a modeline.

[09:15:57]

Dibblah:

It's just autogenerated by the driver from the EDID data of the monitor.

[09:16:04]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but at the rate things are going, if you keep saying modeline, someone's going to start trying to tell me I'm setting an invalid modeline.

[09:16:33]

Dibblah:

So you're not setting displaysize?

[09:16:38]

Dagmar:

Not at all

[09:16:51]

Dibblah:

Which, by default, is set from the EDID also. And usually is wrong.

[09:16:52]

siXy:

hmm so just doing display_video_rect.setWidth(1366) or 1360 doesn't work? meh. no idea then

[09:16:53]

Dagmar:

In a few I'm going to compile a copy of ddcinfo and see if I can query the display myself

[09:17:24]

Dibblah:

Manually set it. It's easier, less stressful _and_ well documented.

[09:17:33]

Dagmar:

Well, yeah.

[09:17:35]

Dibblah:

There's no way to rewrite the EDID.

[09:17:45]

Dagmar:

Considering that I wrotee a whole page on it on the wiki, I think I'm familiar with the option.

[09:17:51]

Dibblah:

;)

[09:19:35]

Dagmar:

Damn imagemagick

[09:19:53]

amrit:

Dagmar: sorry, was doing work stuff. curious, is this actually supposed to fix something? how? [00:36] <Dagmar> schedule the thing to record the very next show that's broadcast

[09:20:28]

Dagmar:

amrit: With *any* luck at all it might prod the thing into analyzing the upcoming recordings list again. Just a hunch

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Dagmar:

Your box didn't think those shows were already recorded

[09:20:57]

Dagmar:

It thought they had already been aired, so an event in the past is useless.

[09:21:07]

amrit:

Dagmar: ah, ok. there's one it wants to record at 6am, so i'll let that one kick in and see what it thinks in the morning..

[09:21:13]

amrit:

oh, hm

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Dagmar:

FINALLY

[09:36:18]

Dagmar:

Found a way to use ffmpeg to extract frames from a video

[09:39:01]

jduggan:

someone posted ffmpeg paramaters to the list recently

[09:39:08]

jduggan:

for grabbing frames

[09:39:45]

Dagmar:

Yep well, I googled up some of my own

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Dagmar:

Hmm.. 1.74 and 1.77 are close enough I think

[09:46:05]

Dagmar:

So, on the three shows I wanted to be sure about, I can at least tell that they are deifnitely using 16:9 in the middle of a 4:3 broadcast

[09:46:55]

Dagmar:

I bet I know where this is going awry

[09:47:03]

** Dagmar keeps digging **

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Dagmar:

I bet it's making these scaling decisions based on the assumption that the resolution and aspect ratios keep their same relationship

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Dagmar:

...with a 720x480 source, that will just fsck up.

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

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justinh:

Dagmar: if a recording is from an analogue tuner there's no aspect information embedded in the file. input sources are either 4:3 or 16:9

[09:55:57]

Dagmar:

justinh: Yeah, I'm seeing that, but that doesn't appear to be the way they're handled

[09:56:50]

justinh:

so a 4:3 recording of a 4:3 channel shoving out 14:9 letterboxed content will still be treated as 4:3. you can override that with the various zoom options. they won't switch automagically or anything nifty – it can only do what you tell it

[09:57:08]

Dagmar:

No, no, no.

[09:57:14]

Dagmar:

That is not the problem.

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justinh:

so what is the problem?

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Dagmar:

The problem I am trying to solve is that it _f**ks up_ and zooms too much when I hit 16:9 stretch mode to de-windowbox a recording.

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justinh:

depends how it's been letterboxed

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Dagmar:

No, it doesn't.

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justinh:

I used to watch mythbusters (14:9 letterbox) on Discovery (4:3). one of the zoom modes worked just fine

[09:58:42]

Dagmar:

The content in question is letterboxed without any fancyness.

[09:58:56]

Dagmar:

You may well have been recording at 640x480 tho

[09:59:01]

justinh:

I didn't

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justinh:

always recorded at 720x576

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Dagmar:

I can assure that here, and now, it does NOT work correctly.

[09:59:33]

Dagmar:

Isn't that "the usual" aspect ratio for PAL tho?

[09:59:45]

justinh:

yes

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justinh:

why aren't you recording at 720x480?

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Dagmar:

See, that isn't the same as what I'm doing here.

[10:00:00]

Dagmar:

I *am* recording at 720x480

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Dagmar:

Note: 720x480 != 4:#

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Dagmar:

s/4:#/4:3/;

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justinh:

Dagmar: you're assuming square pixels

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Dagmar:

I'm not.

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justinh:

yes you are

[10:01:36]

Dagmar:

No, I'm not.

[10:01:57]

Dagmar:

I'm well aware that recording the 4:3 broadcast at 720x480 results in what amounts to oblong pixels.

[10:02:15]

Dagmar:

The MythTV code, on the other hand, may well be making that assumption

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[10:03:07]

Dagmar:

Starting at about line 784 in libs/libmythtv/videooutbase.cpp doesn't appear to have any notion that the source material might be an oddball aspect

[10:03:32]

Dagmar:

...and it does it's thing based on the _width_

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Dagmar:

I'mma schedule some crappy thing or other to record at 640x480 and test it on both when I get home. If it does things right on the 640x480 recording, I'll know I'm right about this

[10:06:40]

Tanthrix:

I think he's mistaken. Lots of places (Discovery w/Mythbusters included sometimes) will air slightly zoomed in 16:9, but I've never seen anything less than 16:9 unless it was an anamorphic movie, and that is very rae

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Dagmar:

As much as I'd like to think that I've got something setup wrong in the frontend config, MythVideo isn't having any problems playing the 16:9 videos I have, and the 4:3 content *is* appearing non-stretched and so forth

[10:07:31]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Well, we can shoot the theory that I'm looking at a cooked input right out of the sky

[10:07:40]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: It's not you, so don't worry. I have a native 1080P set, and I have the same problem.

[10:07:43]

Dagmar:

This is why I was just extracting frames from one of my recordings

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Not a single pixel of overscan on my set.

[10:08:01]

Dagmar:

What I've got is within 0.03 of being exactly 16:9 letterboxed.

[10:09:06]

Tanthrix:

And what the hell were you thinking buying a $50 VGA cable? You can get good quality ones for like $12.

[10:09:18]

Dagmar:

I've actually been banging away here with Gimp to put together an explanatory image so I can put a stop to these wild things people are coming to

[10:09:24]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: It was the only one the place had

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: What's your video source?

[10:09:42]

Dagmar:

...and frankly, when you're dropping $500 on a TV, $50 for a video cable doesn't really put a dent in it

[10:09:48]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: Plain ol' cable TV.

[10:09:51]

Dagmar:

NTSC.

[10:09:54]

Tanthrix:

It's still a complete waste of money, regardless.

[10:09:54]

Dibblah:

Through?

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Dagmar:

Through what?

[10:10:05]

Dagmar:

Coax right into the PVR-500.

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Dibblah:

Oh, analog. Right.

[10:10:16]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[10:10:37]

Dibblah:

In which case, 16:9 / 4:3 is pretty much not going to work.

[10:10:50]

Dagmar:

*giggle*

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: It's a simple matter of zooming. That's all we're talking about here.

[10:11:00]

Dagmar:

Hey that's good because it's not working, but it can.

[10:11:10]

Dibblah:

(You set the capture resolution in the profile, which is fixed)

[10:11:12]

Tanthrix:

Dibblah: The 16:9 stretch zooms in just slightly too much. That's all.

[10:11:13]

Dagmar:

Perhaps if people will stop jumping to conclusions about what we're trying to accomplish

[10:11:49]

Dibblah:

Okay. Whatever. I guess I'll just stop, then.

[10:12:05]

Dagmar:

Look, we're looking to have the image zoomed in exactly 33%

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Dagmar:

This will make a letterboxed NTSC broadcast lose it's letterboxes, dig?

[10:12:43]

Dagmar:

Basically, eliminating the annoying windowboxing

[10:13:02]

Dibblah:

AFAIK, the 'pixel-to-pixel' scaling stuff may get in your way.

[10:13:15]

Dibblah:

The stuff that tries to snap to 1-to-1 pixel mapping.

[10:13:20]

Dagmar:

It looks like the 16:9 Stretch mode, which would otherwise appear to be just for this, is f**king up and coming up with about 40–45% zoom

[10:13:25]

Tanthrix:

Dibblah: Essentially, the problem is this: When you watch cropped 16:9 video from a SD source such as PVR-150 on a 16:9 TV you get both vertical and horizontal bars, unless you zoom in to compensate. It's technically 16:9 video, but it's cropped in a 4:3 video stream.

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Dagmar:

Dibblah: Already seen that code and it talks about 5% margins

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: You can manually zoom it in just fine, but the 16:9 stretch mode should do a good job in the first place. Instead, it zooms slightly too much, overscanning.

[10:13:59]

Dagmar:

We're well outside the range where that should be able to kick in

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justinh:

when broadcasters show 16:9 content on 4:3 channels they _generally_ crop it 14:9

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Dagmar:

justinh: One moment

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justinh:

in the UK they do anyway

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Tanthrix:

justinh: Aye, so Myth even cuts off more in that case, since for 16:9 stuff it's already overscanning.

[10:14:57]

justinh:

dunno wtf channels are still doing broadcasting in 4:3 mode in this day & age anyway

[10:15:05]

Tanthrix:

justinh: Overzooming I should say, just to be clear what we're talking about.

[10:15:08]

Dagmar:

justinh: http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/tmp/nome014.png

[10:15:08]

justinh:

unless it's 'old movie channel'

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Dagmar:

THAT is one of the frames from the mpeg

[10:15:38]

Dagmar:

It's a 4:3 NTSC signal, recorded at 720x480 obviously.

[10:15:45]

Dagmar:

So tell me what aspect ratio the image inside is

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Tanthrix:

Lots of stuff is true 16:9 though. Even mythbusters most of the time around here. And for mysterious reasons, the 16:9 zooms too far. It shouldn't do that, for any reason. Overscan is something you set elsewhere.

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Dagmar:

Tell me it's _not_ 16:9

[10:15:56]

Dagmar:

I dare you.

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justinh:

Dagmar: looks 16:9

[10:16:04]

Dagmar:

It _is_ 16:9

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Dagmar:

This is what is NOT scaling properly.

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justinh:

effing scifi channel. law unto themselves

[10:16:20]

Dagmar:

Don't give me that shit

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directhex|bsp:

KILL THE UNBELIEVERS!

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Dagmar:

They're doing exactly what they're supposed to

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Dagmar:

There's no 14:9 nonsense here

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Tanthrix:

The problem just gets worse when it's 14:9 too, like when Discovery mysteriously decides to crop things for a day or two

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justinh:

they were showing Heroes letterboxed like that over here, was unwatchable

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Tanthrix:

Then you're loosing even more of an already crappy cropped stream

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Tanthrix:

Losing, rather.

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Dagmar:

I could care less about any 14:9 stuff

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Dagmar:

If I can get this sorted, I will probably go and ADD all this crap into the zoom menu defaults

[10:17:30]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: I do. Would be nice to have a 16:9 crop mode, and a 14:9 crop mode.

[10:17:51]

Dagmar:

...but at the moemnt, the frontend doesn't seem to be capable of doing this correctly.

[10:17:53]

justinh:

there are too many zoom modes already

[10:17:58]

Dagmar:

Note this: display_video_rect.setWidth(display_video_rect.width() * 4 / 3);

[10:18:07]

Dagmar:

justinh: And god only knows how many of them it's doing wrong

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Dagmar:

That calculation will only come out right if the x/y of the original thing is the aspect ratio it's assumed to be

[10:18:34]

Dagmar:

_assumed_

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justinh:

tbh I'm happy since I don't get any wrong aspects. digital ftw :)

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Tanthrix:

Well, I'm off to bed. Keep up the good fight.

[10:19:17]

Dagmar:

I think I need to come up with some ominous way of testing to see if I should even talk to people about this

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justinh:

my cable stb shows 4:3 tagged stuff without pillarboxes if its output is set to 16:9

[10:19:44]

justinh:

Dagmar: easy to make mpegs of bitmaps ;)

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Dagmar:

Something like "Do you accept the inevitability of scaled video recorded with oblong pixels as your personal saviour unto the next kingdom" or something

[10:20:22]

justinh:

good luck getting anybody to care

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Dagmar:

'cuz so far half the people in here have tried to deny there's a problem, or talked about entirely other things

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Dagmar:

No damn wonder this bug is still around

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justinh:

wth is the 'zoom' playback mode all about anyway? it zooms into the picture but you can't move the area around. pointless!

[10:21:31]

Dagmar:

justinh: Actually, all it seemed to do here was zoom in a fixed amount. I was allowed to pan around all I liked.

[10:21:35]

Dagmar:

It just seemed somewhat pointless

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Dagmar:

...and there's also "old people"

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justinh:

stretch everything!

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Dagmar:

My parents just kill me.

[10:22:20]

justinh:

I see fat people

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Dagmar:

They watch letterboxed videos in 2x zoom mode because it's easier for them to see.

[10:22:30]

Dagmar:

I'm thinking, sit closer to the TV or something

[10:22:43]

Dagmar:

GOd knows they have a massive TV already

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** justinh suggests opera glasses **

[10:22:57]

Dagmar:

Yeah really

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Dagmar:

When they said "We can't see some of the stuff on the edges of the screen, though" I nearly fell over

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justinh:

I'm really starting to object with the way some areas of code are going now

[10:25:00]

justinh:

"extend guide to show unavailable channels in a different color". like there'

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directhex|bsp:

my parents stick with 14:9 zoom most of the time, since they prefer more picture to seeing the top & bottom bits that are sliced off

[10:25:11]

justinh:

like there's not enough for users to have to know

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directhex|bsp:

but honestly, on their income, they can afford a tv bigger than my office pc monitor

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justinh:

oo red means.. green means... purple means... grey means... ? What?!

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Dagmar:

Why show unavailable channels at all?

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Dagmar:

That's a slippery slope

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justinh:

exactly

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, add a <blink> tag for theme developers!

[10:26:15]

directhex|bsp:

and <marquee>!

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Dagmar:

You should come back to that with the answer "How many market's worth of unavailable channels would you like to see?"

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Dagmar:

Or... "Problem is on users's end for not configuring the grabber to pull data for channels not available in all markets"

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justinh:

Dagmar: presumably incase people see something they want to watch on an unavailable channel (because it's on a tuner using it) so they can do something else

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justinh:

it means 'unavailable as in not available to watch right now because everything is using it'

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Dagmar:

that would amount to turning the entire guide grey, excepting what's being recorded

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justinh:

not with multirec

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Dagmar:

Not useful

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Dagmar:

So, if you have multirec, how can you have unavailable channels?

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justinh:

Dagmar: in trunk now is the ability to record more than one channel from a multiplex/transponder

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directhex|bsp:

so only 5/6 of the channels would be unavailable at any one time

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directhex|bsp:

excelsior!

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justinh:

Dagmar: very easily. if you don't have enough tuners & there are recordings in progress

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Dagmar:

Enh still sounds mad

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directhex|bsp:

how about... not making them a different color, and just telling people "if you do this your recording will end" if they try to change channel?

[10:31:11]

justinh:

how about... not?

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justinh:

or hey how about a load more setup options to let the user decide? make more confusion

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directhex|bsp:

you can never have too many setup screens

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justinh:

you fecking can. myth already does

[10:32:37]

directhex|bsp:

setup screens means choice!

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justinh:

choice isn't always a good thing

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justinh:

look at xine ffs

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directhex|bsp:

i'd rather not

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directhex|bsp:

it has a sucky ui with too many setup optooooooh, i get it

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directhex|bsp:

vlc's setup is a nightmare, worse than xine

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justinh:

'file to always play after this if it's Monday' 'if it's Friday and nothing else is recording ...'

[10:34:13]

justinh:

directhex|bsp: you should read the wiki's feature requests pages sometime. they're funny

[10:34:16]

directhex|bsp:

myth is a proper qt app – lots and lots and lots of setup screens nobody cares about

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directhex|bsp:

the gtk way is to have one tickbox in the setting screen for "do you like bunnies?", and run the rest through xml config files!

[10:35:12]

justinh:

guy on mythtvtalk.com is talking about getting people together to talk with users about feature requests & crap. I wished him luck trying to please everybody

[10:35:35]

justinh:

also wished him luck getting developers to look at it

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justinh:

that's how feature creep comes along. peek at VDR & how many 'plugins' it has. that's not good for any app IMHO

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jduggan:

if they're plugins then its fine.. plugin what you want, leave the rest out

[10:48:24]

jduggan:

i cant see how that is bad

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justinh:

have you seen them?

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jduggan:

as long as it isnt in the core of the app, why should you care what other people plugin :)

[10:48:50]

justinh:

but have you seen the list?

[10:48:53]

jduggan:

no :)

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justinh:

have a look. it's ridiculous

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directhex|bsp:

there should be some kind of scorpion which can hover without flapping!

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phrag:

hi guys, i think i messed up the the transcoders settings, anyway i can reset to default, as i seem to have a signal but just black screen

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justinh:

no you can't reset anything to defaults. if you feck it up.. restore a backup of the database

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phrag:

i don't have one

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phrag:

can i easily wipe the db and start fres h?

[10:53:20]

justinh:

if you really want to, of course you can

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justinh:

next question will be "so how do I do that?" :P

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justinh:

oh ffs myth is still recording torchpoo. I thought I set it to never record

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phrag:

i'll look it up, thanks for your help =)

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watsitr:

i have installed mythtv in ubuntu, and can scan channels fine but i seem to have some problem with mythfilldatabase, it has no errors but watch tv shows a blank screen and information centre asks me if i have run it

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** justinh points at #ubuntu-mythtv **

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watsitr:

so is this channel just a redirect or what

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tjcarter:

justinh: is that a common ubuntu problem? =D

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watsitr:

ok now pretend i didnt say ubuntu

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justinh:

need more information

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watsitr:

like what

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justinh:

like what tv grabber you use, how you configured it...

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watsitr:

EIT

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justinh:

so you don't need to run mythfilldatabase

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watsitr:

oh ok

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tjcarter:

BEHOLD the problem-solving power of #mythtv-users ;)

[11:09:43]

watsitr:

well my watch tv is still blank :s

[11:09:54]

watsitr:

my card is dvico dual digital 4

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tjcarter:

That's probably irrelivant

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justinh:

hmmm have you tested the card works in linux before playing with mythtv?

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watsitr:

i had to install firmware and stuff for it

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directhex|bsp:

dual digital 4... that's not the monstrosity with the usb backloop is it?

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justinh:

did you test it?>

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watsitr:

i thought the fact it scans channels means its working

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justinh:

did you test it?

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watsitr:

dont know how

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directhex|bsp:

http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/Products/DualDigital.aspx&nbs p;:|

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tjcarter:

mplayer usually works

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tjcarter:

mplayer /dev/videowhatever

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justinh:

kaffeine, maybe ....

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watsitr:

thats not it directhex

[11:11:32]

watsitr:

but it is just a fake usb board with 2 usb tuners on it

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directhex|bsp:

did you follow the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DViCO_Dual_Digital_4 ?

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justinh:

tjcarter: not with digital tuners you can't. not without running tzap/szap/czap

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watsitr:

yes thats what i used

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tjcarter:

directhex: yikes ;)

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Dagmar:

Okay, yeah, if it's not compensating for the 720px horizontal width of the recording, 16:9 Stretch zoom would overshoot like some of us are seeing

[11:12:12]

tjcarter:

directhex: PCI and USB?!

[11:12:12]

watsitr:

it shows up from lsusb, both of them

[11:12:40]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: I am seeing that no aspect controls work. At all.

[11:12:49]

justinh:

tuner I bought on friday showing in lspci but didn't work

[11:13:04]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: FUN!

[11:13:08]

justinh:

showing on lspci / psusb means precisely nothing

[11:13:08]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: but I have a Mac. Hell will freeze before it works right here. ;)

[11:13:12]

Dagmar:

Ahhh

[11:13:28]

watsitr:

i cant find it in /dev/

[11:13:29]

tjcarter:

Well

[11:13:39]

tjcarter:

Hell will freeze and THEN someone will write a native Mac FE

[11:13:43]

Dagmar:

Hopefully I can find something in there that can be hooked to force it to scale based on a 640x480 image

[11:13:54]

Dagmar:

...without just hard-wiring it

[11:13:59]

justinh:

Dagmar: why 640x480?

[11:14:07]

directhex|bsp:

watsitr, you should have 2 entries in /dev/dvb

[11:14:13]

Dagmar:

Because with the thing assuming square pixels at that point?

[11:14:25]

directhex|bsp:

tjcarter, one tuner on usb, one tuner on pci! they share an rf connector, ntohing more!

[11:14:31]

watsitr:

directhex: ah yes i do

[11:14:38]

Dagmar:

640x480 with square pixels is 4:3, just like the broadcast

[11:14:51]

Dagmar:

720x480 is still a 4:3 signal, but the _pixels_ are no longer square.

[11:14:53]

tjcarter:

directhex: but ... why?

[11:15:08]

justinh:

tjcarter: because they can! why else?

[11:15:14]

directhex|bsp:

tjcarter, as opposed to doing it all internally nova-t 500 style?

[11:15:22]

justinh:

everybody loves loopback cables man!

[11:15:34]

tjcarter:

directhex: exactly

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directhex|bsp:

tjcarter, because it's an early design. and because windows does not permit >1 tuner on 1 pci id

[11:15:35]

justinh:

loads of cables makes stuff look technical & important

[11:15:50]

directhex|bsp:

loopback cables remind people of old phone switchboards. no bad thing!

[11:15:54]

tjcarter:

directhex: that's Windows' problem!

[11:16:34]

watsitr:

if i do 'mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter0' i get: "Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll"

[11:16:53]

justinh:

what?!?!?!?!?!

[11:17:01]

justinh:

watsitr: you can't just do that!

[11:17:10]

justinh:

ffs install kaffeine & test the card with that

[11:17:24]

watsitr:

(21:11:17) tjcarter: mplayer /dev/videowhatever

[11:17:25]

watsitr:

:S

[11:18:43]

justinh:

the joys of IRC. the blind being led by the people who think they know it all

[11:19:46]

watsitr:

ok so ive got kaffeine, how do i test it

[11:19:50]

sid3windr:

/dev/video0 works, no? ;)

[11:19:54]

sid3windr:

on a pvr150 ;)

[11:21:06]

tjcarter:

justinh: hence the reason I hate it when some knob sends random PMs asking for help. Individuals can be wrong

[11:21:41]

tjcarter:

I know it is a great shock, but I am not infalible ;)

[11:21:48]

tjcarter:

in fact at this hour I can't even spell it.

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Dagmar:

justinh: This is not limited to just IRC

[11:25:18]

Dagmar:

fred: I fail to see how that would be faster, since the only source I have for the chroot is the filesystem with the binary nVidia driver installed anyway

[11:25:24]

Dagmar:

wrong chan

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justinh:

ahh fack it. can't be bothered to sift through ML messages. delete the lot

[11:38:47]

justinh:

should prolly unsubscibe from the xorg ml too. waste of time that is

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watsitr:

well i can watch tv in kaffeine

[11:42:08]

watsitr:

although it is very bad

[11:42:44]

justinh:

what do you mean very bad?

[11:42:53]

watsitr:

quality

[11:43:03]

watsitr:

i think its only the HD channels

[11:43:03]

justinh:

is it breaking up & going blocky a lot? jumping in time & jerking around? que?

[11:43:12]

watsitr:

blocky, green blocks

[11:43:19]

watsitr:

sd seems ok

[11:44:00]

justinh:

what cpu do you have?

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watsitr:

2.6ghz p4

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directhex|bsp:

is the whole image green?

[11:44:15]

watsitr:

i have played 720p fine on it before (Windows)

[11:44:27]

justinh:

are you in europe?

[11:44:31]

watsitr:

australia

[11:44:44]

watsitr:

it will play for ~2 seconds then go jerky and blocky

[11:44:46]

justinh:

ok so it's not h.264 then. you should be ok with that cpu

[11:44:58]

watsitr:

i think its mpeg4 over here

[11:45:04]

justinh:

it isn't

[11:45:04]

watsitr:

but im not real smart on that stuff

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watsitr:

it almost seems like the card cant keep up with the amount of data

[11:45:51]

justinh:

do you have a nvidia vga card?

[11:45:57]

watsitr:

ati vga

[11:46:00]

watsitr:

9600XT

[11:46:07]

justinh:

abandon all hope

[11:46:27]

watsitr:

nothing wrong with it

[11:46:33]

justinh:

there is in linux

[11:46:58]

watsitr:

but it works fine for everything else and SD channels

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, you can't teach some people

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justinh:

watsitr: monitor CPU usage with top while trying to use a HD channel in kaffeine

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watsitr:

it peaks at 20%

[11:48:32]

watsitr:

most of the time < 10

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justinh:

playing HD?

[11:48:45]

watsitr:

'trying' to play hd

[11:49:03]

justinh:

maybe time to look at some signal quality stats with tzap then

[11:54:25]

watsitr:

b000-b500 and snr of d000-d300

[11:54:29]

watsitr:

so not that bad

[11:54:34]

watsitr:

i am close to the city

[11:54:42]

justinh:

oh yeah I forgot there's no point. world's going to end later

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watsitr:

thats a shame

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watsitr:

youre right with the ati thing

[12:09:21]

watsitr:

works alot better if i make the video window smaller

[12:09:51]

** justinh hums indifferently **

[12:10:00]

watsitr:

ill switch it for an nvidia

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[12:11:17]

justinh:

oh shit. the world has ended already

[12:11:23]

justinh:

at 0500 GMT

[12:11:46]

** DGnome digs a hole for himself **

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** hashbang didn't notice. Was sleeping, soz. **

[12:11:56]

justinh:

I read it on the internets

[12:12:26]

justinh:

TU24 hits Earth @ 0500 GMT 28 Jan 2008, wiping out all life

[12:13:24]

justinh:

oh noes! some sites saying it's gonna hit tomorrow.

[12:13:27]

DGnome:

Now that's not true because google cant find it!

[12:13:31]

phrag:

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[12:13:35]

phrag:

omfg

[12:13:40]

phrag:

fixed my dvb-t card 8D

[12:13:41]

phrag:

so happy

[12:14:14]

DGnome:

phrag: so you are not happy about the end of the world?

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justinh:

DGnome: they must have deleted it from google to stop the truth getting out

[12:14:44]

DGnome:

justinh: the truth IS out there, right?

[12:14:56]

justinh:

assuming somebody blogged about it yeah

[12:15:05]

phrag:

=)

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DGnome:

omfg teh blog of truth!

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DGnome:

must obey weird urge

[12:16:21]

** DGnome stabs his boss with a satelco easywatch dvb-c ci and jumps out of the window **

[12:16:29]

justinh:

who to believe though.. those who say we're all already dead or those who say we'll all be dead tomorrow? it's tricky

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phrag:

what's an average signal level user's experience ?

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DGnome:

50%

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phrag:

i've got 50%, but seems to be working ok.. wondering if i should buy an amplfier

[12:23:27]

Floppe:

1% :)

[12:23:34]

phrag:

anyone else? =P

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DGnome:

I get 16%

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Floppe:

92% on my other DVB cards though

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DGnome:

the reported signal level cannot be compared

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phrag:

seems pretty stable

[12:24:38]

phrag:

i actualyl bought an amp and a cable, as i could not get any signal before

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DGnome:

phrag: important thing is stable SNR, zero BER

[12:24:55]

phrag:

turns out, the 99p cable i bought from it's a pound was causing the problems

[12:25:12]

phrag:

i've got 0 Biterrrors

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phrag:

ok, thanks guys =)

[12:27:48]

justinh:

roflmao

[12:28:01]

justinh:

turns out the PoS cable I bought from the chav shop is shite

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Daviey:

s/roflmao/roflmfao

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phrag:

same problem as me justinh =)

[12:30:35]

phrag:

or you taking the piss ?

[12:31:15]

justinh:

expecting a cable from poundland to be any use – that's what I call taking the piss ;)

[12:31:24]

jduggan:

i changed a component-scart cable and i saw huge improvement

[12:31:39]

phrag:

well i'm a poor student... must be nice to have money justinh

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jduggan:

pfft, students have more money than i do

[12:32:02]

justinh:

you think people with jobs are all flush & able to buy any daft toys they want?

[12:32:08]

jduggan:

drinkin 5nights a week

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jduggan:

:\

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justinh:

ffs I wish I could afford to go out even 2 nights a week

[12:32:39]

bradd:

so in mythweb...when i click on recorded programs i get a list of all recorded programs and thumbnails for those recordings. when i click on an actual recording made on the slave backend to bring up the streaming/downloading page, i get no thumbnail and this error..which indicated its trying to get the thumbnail from the wrong backend..

[12:32:42]

phrag:

me too

[12:32:45]

bradd:

document.write('<img src="<hr><p><b>Error</b> at /var/www/html/mythweb/modules/tv/includes/objects/Program.php, line 582:<br />file_get_contents(http://192.168.1.178:6544/Myth/GetPreviewImag . . . ;SecsIn=150) [<a href='function.file-get-contents'>function.file-get-contents</a>]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.0 404 Not Found

[12:32:55]

bradd:

any idea why this would be happening

[12:33:03]

justinh:

phrag: a decent aerial cable doesn't cost much more than Â£0.99

[12:33:37]

justinh:

just don't act all surprised when stuff from poundland turns out to be crap ;)

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justinh:

sorta goes with the territory :P

[12:34:01]

watsitr:

i cannot believe what a difference an nvidia card makes

[12:34:26]

watsitr:

one channel is still crap, but the others are fine now

[12:34:45]

justinh:

workmate here bought a car on ebay for Â£1. he swapped it for a Golf diesel 1.9. surprisingly it needs three to five hundred pounds worth of work done to it!

[12:34:59]

justinh:

surprisingly (!)

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Daviey:

i bet he leaves bad feedback

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jduggan:

£300 for a car is cheap

[12:35:17]

jduggan:

:O

[12:35:43]

justinh:

getting rid on ebay has to be cheaper than scrapping it yourself tho

[12:35:49]

Daviey:

i would be embarrased asking/giving the Â£1

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jduggan:

lol

[12:36:11]

Daviey:

justinh: AIUI the price for scrap is now worth it

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siXy:

surely you get more selling to a breakers yard than ebaying for £1?

[12:36:20]

jduggan:

justinh: scrap yards normally pay you like £50 for a car, and come collect it

[12:36:40]

DGnome:

watsitr: what driver do you use for your nvidia card?

[12:36:51]

watsitr:

the restricted manager one

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DGnome:

watsitr: the nvidia official binary is preferred

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justinh:

ZOMG! we are all gonna die! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2hKPY1jJwM

[12:37:46]

** justinh ducks & covers **

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watsitr:

mythtv still doesnt receive tv

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watsitr:

it is now drawing red/green lines all over the place

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DGnome:

och crap, were relly gonna die!

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bradd:

seems like $host in Program.php is not getting set properly..

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DGnome:

effing quitter watsitr

[12:43:58]

justinh:

joking aside, 500,000 km in lunar terms is furgin close

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directhex|bsp:

jduggan, nowadays you have to pay to scrap your car, not the reverse

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jduggan:

directhex|bsp: really? 12months ago that wasnt the case

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DGnome:

justinh: either we survive, die of grande kaboom or die of climates going wacky!

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DGnome:

33.3333% risk of survival

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** DGnome digs a hole **

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Kazan:

thought i was seeing a memory leak in trunk 15565

[13:10:15]

Kazan:

Carry over [15583] from trunk. Fix memory leak in NVR::Reset().

[13:10:35]

Kazan:

meant to copy paste

[13:10:35]

Kazan:

Fix memory leak in NuppelVideoRecorder::Reset(), there's no need to reallocate a new set of text buffers (hence losing track of the old ones).

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justinh:

end of the world or not, booked my car in for its MOT & tyres

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clever:

segfault!

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clever:

#1 0xb7a80511 in NuppelVideoPlayer::PauseDecoder (this=0x0) at NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp:375

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jarle:

Do I need coreAVC installed to view channels using h264. Semms like the ffmpeg part of mythtv keeps segfaulting on those channels...

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DGnome:

something tell me coreavc will never work with mythtv

[14:03:03]

DGnome:

s/tell/tells

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justinh:

DGnome: got news for you. it can

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GreyFoxx:

There are patches out there for it, though I've never tried it

[14:07:54]

DGnome:

justinh: holy moses, people seem to have too little to do theese days!

[14:17:33]

squish102:

GreyFoxx, question on your dsm-320. Did u ever transcode your mpeg2's to anything and use it with the dsm-320?

[14:18:18]

squish102:

i have tried 10 different utils and 40 different settings, and i still have to get one working that doesnt look sooo bad that it is not worth it

[14:18:52]

squish102:

acidrip,handbrake,mencoder,nuvexport,autogk,nero recode etc etc

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squish102:

and most of those 40 attempts resulted in the dsm-320 not displaying anything. (upnp server is ushare)

[14:23:32]

GreyFoxx:

squish102: Nope never did

[14:25:33]

squish102:

thanks, is anyone else here using the dsm-320 as a frontend?

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squish102:

GreyFoxx, do u run Mythlogbot?

[14:33:17]

GreyFoxx:

Nope, Beirdo does

[14:33:31]

squish102:

do u know if there is a way to search the logs?

[14:33:36]

Beirdo:

there is

[14:33:41]

Beirdo:

!help search

[14:34:10]

Beirdo:

xris was at one point working on a web interface for searching as well, not sure where that stands right now though

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squish102:

thanks, do i pvt that to the bot?

[14:35:18]

** Beirdo is having fun making a ruby on rails site including the ability to use a scanner :) **

[14:35:21]

Beirdo:

yes

[14:35:53]

Beirdo:

so in a private message to the bot: search #mythtv-users text to search for

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Beirdo:

it will always reply back with private messages

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Beirdo:

so I guess on freenode, you'd need to be registered or the privmsg stuff won't work for ya ;)

[14:36:50]

Beirdo:

but you are, so that shouldn't be an issue

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squish102:

yip thanks

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squish102:

it is only returning results with me bitching about the dlink dsm-320

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squish102:

although it looks like |Torg| may have one too.. have to wait for him to join

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GreyFoxx:

ok, same line is still crapping out on me

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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Beirdo:

oh, I hate yahoo

[14:44:34]

Beirdo:

they are always deferring mail delivery

[14:45:09]

Merlin83b2:

Mmm, greylisting.

[14:45:21]

Beirdo:

it's not that though

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Beirdo:

it's based on volume

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Beirdo:

I happen to run an email forwarder for my university class members (10 years past graduation)...

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Beirdo:

and several people forward to their yahoo account, the mail sits for several hours at times

[14:47:03]

Beirdo:

and they do it by refusing to talk to my server at all

[14:47:23]

GreyFoxx:

yahoo is a pain

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GreyFoxx:

our mailq ends up huge because of it

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Merlin83b2:

Oh, then that's not good.

[14:47:42]

Beirdo:

yup

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Merlin83b2:

greylisting on the other hand is.

[14:48:06]

GreyFoxx:

we pass close to a million email a day (including mailing lists we host) and we end up in their high volume category hehe

[14:48:10]

Beirdo:

and now google's being a PITA, they are using the dynamic IP can't send email directly policy

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GreyFoxx:

greylisting rocks.... made such a huge improvment on spam catching

[14:48:41]

Beirdo:

which craps out SMTP from my cable modem, and my ISP (also my cable provider) sucks and hasn't given me a relay to use

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Merlin83b2:

Yep, dropped our spam by (at a guess) 90%

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Merlin83b2:

I don't know how much mail we pass but I'll bet it's in that ballpark.

[14:49:05]

Merlin83b2:

Maybe I should find out :)

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GreyFoxx:

Merlin83b2: Yeah, I was shocked how much it improved things

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Beirdo:

at a previous job, we passed about 1M per server across 6 servers, and yeah, yahoo was filling our queues too

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Beirdo:

hmm, I should setup some postfix log analysis again

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Beirdo:

I got around google's insolence though. I just relay from home through my linode

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Beirdo:

for google delivery only

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GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: If you enable SMTP_AUTH on your side I'll let you relay through me

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Beirdo:

using TLS and SASL

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Beirdo:

hmmm, something to think about. I have it solved for now though.

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Beirdo:

you realize you are almost directly north of here? ;)

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GreyFoxx:

heh yeah

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Beirdo:

I think directly north from here JUST misses NS and hits NF

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Beirdo:

how's the snow this winter?

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Daviey:

Beirdo: We thought you died or something, where have you been?

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Beirdo:

busy ;)

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Beirdo:

I've been working on some ruby on rails to try to learn me some new skills to try to get remote work :)

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Beirdo:

amongst other things

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justinh:

ahh the old 'learning flavour of the moment language' technique ;)

[14:54:26]

Beirdo:

yeah, partially

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Beirdo:

as a framework, I like it a LOT better than using Java frameworks

[14:54:58]

Beirdo:

and in the meantime, I'm building useful apps for myself

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

right now, it's for my stamp collection inventory

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justinh:

I hear the name & just can't help picturing a big red train wreck

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

yeah, well.. ruby is kinda partway between php and perl. It hasn't been hard to learn

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Beirdo:

and the rails part is a decent framework once you understand how it works

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Beirdo:

makes doing database driven sites SOOO much easier than rolling your own

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Beirdo:

I had to write my own ruby interface to SANE (for scanning). That was fun

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Beirdo:

heh

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justinh:

I'd not make a very good stoner. no good at rolling my own

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I have even used google maps in this app :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

had to mess with new things, ya know

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Beirdo:

WOW

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Beirdo:

just ran pflogsumm on the postfix logs...

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Beirdo:

98% of the mail to the email forwarder is being rejected

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Beirdo:

spamalicious

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Beirdo:

average delay delivering to yahoo.com: 2.0h. Max delay: 10.7h

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Beirdo:

assmasters

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cromo:

hi. is it possible to watch a channel and listen to some other one at once? this can be useful for watching the sports from some FTA foreign HD channel while still being able to listen to the native commentary from SD channel

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justinh:

cromo: no, there's no way to do that

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cromo:

no way? I obviously assumed this would be with twin-tuner configuration

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Beirdo:

no reason it couldn't be done, if you have two tuners, and coding ability though

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Sam__:

how about picture-in-picture mode.. and you choose hightlight the channel u want audio from? Since we now have the multi-rec tree merged in?

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justinh:

pretty esoteric use for two tuners if you ask me

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cromo:

justinh: did I say I'd use them only for that?

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Beirdo:

justinh, yeah, I doubt it's been requested before, but with some coding, it should be possible, I'd think

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cromo:

it's another feature that the twin tuners could be used to

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justinh:

get some pretty daft ideas thrown around IMHO

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cromo:

for example, BBC HD is available FTA from Astra satellite (Europe), and could be used as a video base for all the live transmissions for foreigners

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cromo:

they will tramsmit all the Euro 2008 in HD live

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cromo:

Sam__: yeah, that makes sense, this could be an option to PIP where you can just hide that second, little box

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justinh:

hiding the other picture in PiP mode? rofl

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justinh:

Pi mode?

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cromo:

what's so funny?

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justinh:

the very idea

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cromo:

idea of what?

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cromo:

borrowing the sound from other channel?

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justinh:

yeah

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cromo:

you're in US, right/

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cromo:

?

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justinh:

nope

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cromo:

os Northern America

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justinh:

nope

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cromo:

or some other place where HD is so popular that you see no usage for that idea

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justinh:

nope

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cromo:

arr

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cromo:

nevermind

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justinh:

could be that it's because I have no interent in non-english / non-sport programming

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justinh:

s/interent/interest

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justinh:

it's not very practical IMHO

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jduggan:

hmm, euro 2008 on bbc HD?

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jduggan:

man, its like begging me to setup dvb-s

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jduggan:

:p

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cromo:

so if you don't have an interest in it, why are you laghing at the idea?

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justinh:

jduggan: not that you can play bbc hd in mythtv

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cromo:

justinh: yeah, just read the announcment

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justinh:

cromo: it's not practical

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cromo:

jduggan: I meant

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cromo:

jduggan: what is not practical? quick switching the sound?

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justinh:

using both tuners on different channels at the same time.. pretty easy

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cromo:

from other channel

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cromo:

and enjoying the HD?

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cromo:

for free?

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justinh:

playing audio from the other channel... not easy

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jduggan:

justinh: you cant capture bbc HD w/dvb-s in myth??

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justinh:

it sounds easy just by saying "yeah just play the other audio channel"... but it isn't all that simple

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justinh:

jduggan: capture – piss easy

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cromo:

I am a coder

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cromo:

and for me this idea seems really simple

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justinh:

cromo: it's not all that simple

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cromo:

bbl

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jduggan:

justinh: ok, so a quadcore wouldnt play back?

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justinh:

jduggan: doesn't matter how many cores you've got

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anykey_:

jduggan: bbc hd with mythtv patches is possible, iirc

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justinh:

anykey_: with trunk, with hackish patch

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anykey_:

yeah

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jduggan:

thats one thing i noticed – there's no option for threads= like mplayer would have – is that something that will be introduced later?

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justinh:

probably

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justinh:

in time for Euro bollocks? hmmm

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jduggan:

ok so currently myth only uses a single thread?

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justinh:

yeah

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jduggan:

even with ffmpeg multithreading advances

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justinh:

yeah

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jduggan:

ic

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anykey_:

I've got the following problem: Audio is generally working fine and good. Though if there's a track that's using AC3, I don't get anything besides silence. I'm using an Intel-HDA soundchip. Is this a problem with mythtv or with alsa?

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jduggan:

anykey_: i use intel hda also, not had such issues

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justinh:

anykey_: got ac3 passthrough enabled?

[15:19:59]

anykey_:

justinh: no

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anykey_:

jduggan: do you have a /etc/asound.conf or .asoundrc file?

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justinh:

other programs play ac3 audio ok?

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anykey_:

justinh: honestly don't know that

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jduggan:

anykey_: yes but i'm not currently @ home :)

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justinh:

find out :)

[15:20:52]

justinh:

eliminate things from your enquiries

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anykey_:

going to, in an hour or so

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justinh:

still laughing at that dual audio/picture thing

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anykey_:

channel1 with audio from channel2?

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justinh:

what else

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justinh:

can you even imagine how you'd do the UI for that?

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anykey_:

I can't really think of a use for it...

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justinh:

without breaking everything else I mean

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justinh:

and the player code is pretty tightly wrapped into only playing streams from the current recording AFAIK. changing that won't be easy

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justinh:

like I said it _sounds_ really simple

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justinh:

"oh just play the other audio, right"

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justinh:

yeah like just rewrite mythfrontend to use directx

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Beirdo:

there. sent a bitch-mail to yahoo

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SerajewelKS:

i'm having issues getting my pchdtv 5500 card to work

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SerajewelKS:

mythtv sees signal when i am scanning, but it reports "no tables" for every channel it gets a lock on

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SerajewelKS:

as a result, it doesn't let me tune to any of those channels for some reason

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SerajewelKS:

i've seen some forums say this is caused by a lack of firmware, and others say that the 5500 doesn't need any firmware

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SerajewelKS:

so i don't know what to do

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SerajewelKS:

sigh

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Kazan:

it means you're not getting those channels cleanly

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mkrufky:

hd5500 doesnt seen firmware

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Kazan:

either they're encrypted (highly probable if you're scamming QAM)

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mkrufky:

s/seen/need

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Kazan:

or they're signal is too weak

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mkrufky:

i cant get signal on *any* of my cards without a drop-amp — you should try one

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SerajewelKS:

i am scanning avb or whatever it is... air broadcast

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SerajewelKS:

the signal on some is around 60%

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SerajewelKS:

i can get these channels with the digital tuner in my TV

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Kazan:

DVB-T?

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Kazan:

60% signal?

[16:43:31]

Kazan:

got a high quality amp you can toss on the line?

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Kazan:

you could also be getting noise from something near the computer

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justinh:

or something inside the computer

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SerajewelKS:

the line is connected directly to the wall jack which runs to an antenna on the roof of my dorm

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justinh:

inside a computer is no place for a sensitive RF device, believe it or not

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SerajewelKS:

do i really need the tables to tune?

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justinh:

there's been at least one case reported where tables were mistakenly not being broadcast

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mkrufky:

ATSC

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mkrufky:

and you should _really_ try an in-line amp

[16:45:45]

mkrufky:

i cant receive anything without one, and i live in NYC!!

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SerajewelKS:

sigh

[16:46:20]

** justinh wonders what life is like in the big apple **

[16:46:34]

** mkrufky wonders what life is like OUTSIDE of the big apple **

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SerajewelKS:

apparently i haven't spent enough money yet... $160 isn't enough to receive HD i guess

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mkrufky:

SerajewelKS: what school do you go to?

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mkrufky:

SerajewelKS: if they're giving you a real cable connection, connect to the coax, instead

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: anyway TV tuners for PCs vary a lot in terms of sensitivity. they usually suck compared to 'real' devices

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mkrufky:

SerajewelKS: the same HD channels are available on the cable that are also available OTA

[16:47:23]

SerajewelKS:

mkrufky: i just said i was connected to the wall, correct?

[16:47:35]

SerajewelKS:

mkrufky: they don't provide cable to the rooms

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mkrufky:

SerajewelKS: and i just suggested that you TRY the wal

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mkrufky:

ah, your college sucks

[16:47:44]

mkrufky:

where do you go?

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SerajewelKS:

mkrufky: i have been trying the wall

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SerajewelKS:

mkrufky: does this matter?

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** mkrufky doesnt need to pull teeth in order to help people **

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mkrufky:

ttyl

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mkrufky-away:

parting note: get an in-line amp

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SerajewelKS:

i don't see how that question helps

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SerajewelKS:

sounds more like you want to know which universities to boycott or something

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mkrufky:

i really have to run in a minute

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justinh:

maybe it was just a general question

[16:49:44]

mkrufky:

but... .fyi, im already done with college and i dont care so much

[16:49:45]

mkrufky:

but...

[16:49:50]

mkrufky:

yes, was a general question

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SerajewelKS:

i'm not trying to be an ass, but i just spent $160 on this card

[16:49:56]

mkrufky:

that COULD have led to a better answer for you

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justinh:

$160 on a tuner card?

[16:50:04]

mkrufky:

i work on the driver for your card

[16:50:11]

mkrufky:

and maybe i know something that you dont

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SerajewelKS:

mkrufky: andersone university

[16:50:17]

SerajewelKS:

anderson*

[16:50:22]

SerajewelKS:

and i have class in 10

[16:50:35]

mkrufky:

$160 was a fair price about 1.5 years ago for that card, justinh

[16:50:50]

SerajewelKS:

erm, $130 rather

[16:50:52]

SerajewelKS:

with shipping

[16:50:54]

mkrufky:

now you can buy better cards with the same capabilities for less, but times are a changin ;-)

[16:51:03]

mkrufky:

yeah #130 is fair :-)

[16:51:07]

** mkrufky looks something up **

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SerajewelKS:

some channels hit 70%

[16:51:33]

justinh:

for just a HD tuner no more special than our dvb-t cards over here? oof!

[16:51:40]

mkrufky:

ok, you;'re right ... the college name didnt help in this case

[16:51:48]

mkrufky:

do you know who the cable provider is, SerajewelKS?

[16:51:56]

SerajewelKS:

comcast i think

[16:52:16]

mkrufky:

the reason why i ask, is because you should be able to receive the same OTA transmissions (from the air) on your cable system for free

[16:52:21]

SerajewelKS:

but the wall jack goes to an antenna on the roof, not cable

[16:52:22]

mkrufky:

ah, comcast — that might explain it

[16:52:34]

SerajewelKS:

pretty sure anyway

[16:52:35]

mkrufky:

comcast uses HRC for digital cable, afaik, and the default scan files might not work

[16:52:49]

mkrufky:

SerajewelKS: this is what i recommend, if you are interested to try the cable

[16:52:55]

mkrufky:

but first, ....... are you interested?

[16:53:09]

SerajewelKS:

i'd be more interested in getting OTA channels to work

[16:53:15]

mkrufky:

ok

[16:53:16]

SerajewelKS:

the same ones that work on my TV sitting three feet from my computer

[16:53:25]

mkrufky:

apples & oranges

[16:53:50]

mkrufky:

the insides of a computer are no place for rf reception, without an amp

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mkrufky:

( ^^ open to interpretation & debate)

[16:54:21]

SerajewelKS:

ok then where can i get an amp, and how much do they typically run

[16:54:35]

mkrufky:

i bought a nice one from ebay for $20 ... 8 way drop amp

[16:54:44]

justinh:

$20 for 8 way? nice

[16:54:46]

SerajewelKS:

in terms of retail

[16:54:50]

mkrufky:

if you dont need the built in splitter, you can get a MORE powerful inline amp for $15

[16:54:53]

SerajewelKS:

i'm not interested in waiting another week

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mkrufky:

retail? i dunno

[16:55:07]

justinh:

be around $20 for a 3 output one I'd guess

[16:55:08]

mkrufky:

oh, if you find a nice one in retail, probably run you upwards of $80

[16:55:15]

justinh:

no way

[16:55:18]

SerajewelKS:

ffs

[16:55:31]

mkrufky:

justinh: i see 4 way for ~20

[16:55:35]

mkrufky:

justinh: if interested i'll send you a link

[16:55:37]

** mkrufky brb **

[16:55:39]

justinh:

walmart sell em I bet, not top of the line, but they'll sell em

[16:56:08]

SerajewelKS:

brb, going to lab

[16:56:58]

mkrufky:

back

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justinh:

just remembered I can use these guys. up the road from where I live: http://www.taylortransmitters.com/

[16:59:36]

mkrufky:

OMG that 8-way is selling for $11.17 (US) now

[17:00:56]

mkrufky:

ah, oops... shipping is also $11

[17:00:57]

califdreas:

mkrufky: nice. do you have a link for that?

[17:00:59]

mkrufky:

so, that makes more sense

[17:01:01]

mkrufky:

link:

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mkrufky:

http://search.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?G . . . 5%26po%3DOp1

[17:01:15]

mkrufky:

i can vouch for the amps from this guy — top notch quality

[17:01:21]

mkrufky:

i have three so far

[17:01:43]

mkrufky:

i bought the in-line amp, installed that one at the entry point to my building

[17:01:50]

mkrufky:

and i have two 8-way drop amps

[17:02:08]

justinh:

no built-in PSU? eew

[17:02:09]

mkrufky:

one in my office (where i do my dvb driver development)

[17:02:20]

** directhex|bsp feels like stabbing something/one **

[17:02:22]

mkrufky:

and the other is in the room with my mythbackend server

[17:02:43]

mkrufky:

justinh: external power brick — whats wrong with that?

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mkrufky:

anyway, i lent one of those amps to another developer here in the office, he loved it and bought two for himself

[17:03:18]

justinh:

mkrufky: I hate external power bricks

[17:03:25]

mkrufky:

ok

[17:03:45]

justinh:

I won't buy anything that comes with one if I can help it

[17:03:46]

mkrufky:

this is a superior product, if you can get over your hatred of power bricks ;-)

[17:03:55]

justinh:

looks well made

[17:04:04]

mkrufky:

now, i use a completely different amp for ATSC

[17:04:10]

justinh:

and it uses F connectors only used for satellite in the UK

[17:04:38]

mkrufky:

i bought a card from BBTI — that was the HD5000 — -i bought their amp'd antannae at the same time and i must say it is another high quility product

[17:04:54]

califdreas:

mkrufky: do you have any probs with vertical lines in the picture with these amps?

[17:04:54]

mkrufky:

ah, good point there, justinh

[17:05:12]

justinh:

how do they get over $100 for something that's basically just the same as a UK DVB-T tuner they give away for like $40 though?

[17:05:15]

mkrufky:

califdreas: you're asking about "analog video" isms, right?

[17:05:35]

mkrufky:

justinh: huh?

[17:05:37]

justinh:

hum bars.. ahh those were the days

[17:05:40]

califdreas:

yep. i have twi ivtv cards and a framegrabber.

[17:05:49]

califdreas:

two, that is.

[17:05:50]

mkrufky:

justinh: i goess the demodulators used for ATSC/QAM are more expensive

[17:05:58]

justinh:

mkrufky: ATSC isn't anything flashy or special. HD tuners aren't all that big a deal

[17:06:08]

justinh:

mkrufky: DVB-T uses QAM modulation

[17:06:10]

mkrufky:

califdreas: i can test that tonight with analog video and get back to you tomorrow

[17:06:33]

mkrufky:

califdreas: but the chances of me remembering to TELL you my findings are slim ...... if you see me in here ask me and i will remember this conversation

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justinh:

I think they're getting away with murder there mkrufky :)

[17:06:58]

justinh:

'cos it's HD' ;)

[17:06:59]

califdreas:

that'd be great. I should be hangin out here same time.

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mkrufky:

justinh: atsc/qam demods need to demodulate both ATSC and QAM .... in *some* cases they are two demods in a single package — certainly can be more expensive

[17:07:32]

mkrufky:

justinh: (not that i disagree with you — getting away with murder)

[17:07:51]

mkrufky:

on the other hand, Hauppauge is selling a new hybrid PCIe card for just $49

[17:07:57]

justinh:

and with silicon... pfft

[17:07:59]

mkrufky:

( hvr 1250)

[17:08:20]

justinh:

those silicon tuners are just silly. RF preamp/filter into a chip. end of story. and they work!

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mkrufky:

brb

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justinh:

all the IF done on the silicon. amazing

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SerajewelKS:

i'm just pissed that i waited like a week for this and dropped $130 and now i have to spend more and wait more

[17:11:24]

SerajewelKS:

it would have been nice to know up front so i could order both at the same time

[17:12:13]

justinh:

you might've spent money on the amp & ended up not needing it ;)

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justinh:

you buy a car, drop loads of money on it.. then it goes on to cost you ever more money to run it year on year. biggest money pit in my experience :P

[17:13:35]

califdreas:

bigger than MythTV? No way :O

[17:14:14]

justinh:

no way I'd ever spend car levels of cash on a PC

[17:14:25]

justinh:

or vice-versa :P

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califdreas:

lol. it might help balancing the budget to judt ride the bus :D

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justinh:

would cost me more money to get the bus to work actually. three times more to get the train

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justinh:

35 miles each way

[17:16:17]

justinh:

plus I'd lose 4 hours a day to travelling

[17:16:23]

justinh:

public transport in the UK sucks

[17:17:05]

mkrufky:

there is 1 device that would be unlikely to actually need any amp at all

[17:17:09]

mkrufky:

hmm, three actually

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mkrufky:

1) Pinnacle 800i

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mkrufky:

2) Hauppauge HVR1500Q

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mkrufky:

2) DViCO FusionHDTV 7

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califdreas:

justinh: It can NEVER be as bad as in California. How are gas proces in the UK?

[17:17:37]

mkrufky:

^ should have been 3)

[17:17:37]

justinh:

do these guys not publish sensitivity data?

[17:17:48]

justinh:

califdreas: oh about Â£1.05 per litre

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mkrufky:

and the FusionHDTV7 is not yet supported in linux, but it will be soon

[17:17:58]

justinh:

califdreas: 2 dollars a litre

[17:18:08]

mkrufky:

these three devices use the XC5000 silicon tuner.... yes, i said silicon, justinh

[17:18:13]

califdreas:

phew. still kinda high.

[17:18:20]

justinh:

kinda? you kidding?

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mkrufky:

the xc5000 is the BEST tuner ive dealt with in my life — impeccable performance, IMHO

[17:18:29]

justinh:

highest in the world bar one

[17:18:54]

** mkrufky is paying $2.49 / gallon **

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califdreas:

lol. I used to live in Germany. high gas proces are not entirely unknown to me :))

[17:19:06]

mkrufky:

lol, us StupidAmericans dont speak metric

[17:19:38]

justinh:

jees. costs more than I thought to get the train. like Â£15 each way!

[17:19:41]

justinh:

ffs

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califdreas:

and 2.49 /Gallon is damn good. Here in the bay area it's 3.10 and up.

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mkrufky:

wow

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justinh:

you USA guys are so frickin hard done by aren't you? :P

[17:20:04]

mkrufky:

i think it's still ~ $2.10 in jersey

[17:20:07]

justinh:

you pay less for every damn thing

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, call the waaaambulance!

[17:20:23]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, but charge them for the privilege ;)

[17:20:24]

califdreas:

justinh: no kinddin :))

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justinh:

leaves you more money free to pay for your basic healthcare though

[17:21:16]

mkrufky:

yay new computer for my office just arrived

[17:21:19]

justinh:

manchester to runcorn, one way.. Â£14.20. ffs that's robbery

[17:22:03]

califdreas:

justinh: hillary is gonna take care of that tiny health care problem, I'm sure :D

[17:22:15]

justinh:

20 times that... you're looking at more than a small car costs to run, and they want people to get off the roads?!

[17:22:55]

Merlin83b2:

Not any more. That went a bit too well so now the trains are overcrowded.

[17:22:57]

justinh:

I don't think it'll make any difference who you guys put at the top

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justinh:

Merlin83b2: the trains are overcrowded cos they don't run enough trains

[17:24:25]

justinh:

they don't run enough trains because they're all about the shareholders now

[17:24:57]

justinh:

who owns the US rail network?

[17:25:07]

justinh:

can they come & run ours?

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califdreas:

justinh: Amtrak. no clue who is behind them.

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justinh:

private, not state run. interesting. so that model _can_ work

[17:26:27]

justinh:

so wtf doesn't it over here?!

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, only if you want there to be only one profitable rail route in the entire country

[17:26:29]

califdreas:

but if they are "reliable" as the local bus systems, you do not want them to run anything.

[17:26:29]

justinh:

arghhh

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directhex|bsp:

aren't amtrak a courier?

[17:27:02]

iamlindoro_:

(the only US rail route that doesn't LOSE money is the Acela high-speed train between Washington and New York)

[17:27:03]

Merlin83b2:

justinh: If you listen to some people it's the signals and track that are limiting capacity (at least on the busy routes) now.

[17:27:14]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: it shouldn't be about profit. it's an effing public service. any money left over should go back into the service

[17:28:04]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, Yeah, but it shouldn't LOSE so much money that they stop running the trains because they're dangerously close to going out of business... if it's run by a private company, barring government subsidies, it's got to turn a profit

[17:28:23]

justinh:

yeah but profit at the expense of service is bad, I mean

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iamlindoro_:

Sure. But lack of profit leading to nonexistence is bad too :)

[17:28:57]

iamlindoro_:

presuming one wants to ride the train, that is.

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justinh:

here's me over here with the impression the US rail system is one of the world

[17:29:15]

justinh:

's best

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justinh:

don't ask me where I got the idea from. I dunno

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iamlindoro_:

My impression is that the Japanese seem to have it down to an art.

[17:29:45]

Merlin83b2:

justinh: Nope, Europe's the place to go to see rail done right.

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fysa:

there are some routes that are decent, but largely not

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Merlin83b2:

Oh yeah, or Japan.

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fysa:

Hong Kong was really nice.

[17:30:12]

fysa:

and affordable.

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Merlin83b2:

Europe's the world's shining example of a rail system that just works though.

[17:30:20]

califdreas:

justinh: The German deutsche bahn is quite good.

[17:30:28]

justinh:

Europe meaning NOT US IN THE UK

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Merlin83b2:

Yeah, mainland western Europe :)

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califdreas:

mkrufky: doesn't the kworld 120 have an xc5000 tuner?

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AcTiVaTe:

If I want to run mythfrontend simultaneously on multiple PC

[17:35:44]

AcTiVaTe:

's can they all just use the mythtv MySQL user?

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clever:

yeah

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justinh:

yeah

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AcTiVaTe:

So where are the settings saved then? For General, Audio Device for instance.

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justinh:

in the database

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justinh:

frontend specific settings are saved according to the machine's hostname

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AcTiVaTe:

Ah right...

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AcTiVaTe:

That's my problem then

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AcTiVaTe:

Thx =)

[17:37:15]

justinh:

or by the frontend's unique identifier if you set one

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Beirdo:

yay. my rails web app now can scan the images using a SANE-based scanner, and store the images into the db

[17:39:43]

** Beirdo is too geeky some days **

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SerajewelKS:

what keywords wourd i search for for an in-line amp

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justinh:

has too much free time ;)

[17:40:10]

justinh:

SerajewelKS: antenna amplifier

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Beirdo:

yeah, being unemployed does that to ya :)

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: antenna preamplifier..

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justinh:

amplified splitter

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justinh:

insert synonym here...

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SerajewelKS:

$40 at radio shack

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SerajewelKS:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?p . . . tPage=search

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justinh:

ouch!

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justinh:

$40 and it's only 10dB boost

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mkrufky:

califdreas: i dont know what the kworld 120 has — it could be xc5000 ... regardless, it is not supported

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mkrufky:

however, i think it's a xc3028 + s5h1409

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mkrufky:

gotta run. bbl

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SerajewelKS:

justinh: how much do i need

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justinh:

adjustable ones are sometimes a better idea

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justinh:

3dB is doubling the signal

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SerajewelKS:

$60 for 30dB: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?p . . . tPage=search

[17:46:03]

justinh:

so 10dB might do it, but $40 is a lot of cash to lay out on a one output amp

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ma9mwah:

the svn trunk includes code to obtain seriesid and programid from freeviews (UK) EIT data, but i cannot see anywhere that this can then be used to create a series record (which i assume would be the reason for storing it). anyone know how you do this

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justinh:

ma9mwah: I know a man who might & I've not seen him all day

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ma9mwah:

ok

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SerajewelKS:

http://cgi.ebay.com/RADIO-FM-VHF-UHF-ANTENNA- . . . cmdZViewItem ?

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justinh:

ma9mwah: there's also a flag allegedly being transmitted during trailers so we can click record when we see a teaser for something we like the look of. that needs investigation too

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: looks a bit poo compared to the one mkrufky linked too earlier

[17:50:55]

justinh:

s/too/to

[17:51:20]

justinh:

still, a lot cheaper than radioslack :)

[17:52:28]

justinh:

yay go ticket #745

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clever:

lol

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clever:

2 year old ticket!

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justinh:

cough pvr cough 350 cough support cough

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iamlindoro_:

or lack thereof ;)

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justinh:

nokia to acquire trolltech?!?!?!

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, get that qt4 source while you can

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justinh:

nah I'd be optimistic about its future. just a bit surprised nokia went in

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johnp__:

considering

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johnp__:

considering how close nokia are to gnome,

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Vaelys:

killing the competition

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justinh:

you saying nokia are gonan kill KDE off?

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justinh:

and that'd be a bad thing why? ;)

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plb_:

well got my pvr150 mce today =) can't seem to get lirc workin though

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seth|work:

modprobe mce_usb2

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plb_:

ah

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plb_:

lemme see

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iamlindoro_:

heh, that won't work given the module is lirc_mceusb2 ;)

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justinh:

SerajewelKS: mce_usb2 has FA to do with lirc_pvr150

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justinh:

oops sorry SerajewelKS that was for seth|work

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seth|work:

yeah thats right, sheesh

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iamlindoro_:

Well he *did* say it was a PVR150 MCE, so presumably it is lirc_mceusb2... I suppose we could ask.. but... Naahhhhh

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plb_:

heh

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plb_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC_on_ . . . ian_packages

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justinh:

Irritating Recalcitrant C***s living up to the name again

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plb_:

I'm following that howto

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seth|work:

yeah mce receiver, thats what I have pvr150mce, and the usb dealy

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seth|work:

what distro plb_

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plb_:

debian etch

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seth|work:

ah

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seth|work:

isn't there an lircsetup.sh program or something

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** seth|work was spoiled by knoppmyth **

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plb_:

hm not sure

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justinh:

is it just me or is mce_usb2 named too similarly to something else?

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justinh:

bleh. CBA anymore

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seth|work:

well lmce uses it as mce_usb2 but they use an lirc wrapper, vs. the pure thing

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** iamlindoro_ throws up a little, and god kills a puppy **

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plb_:

hm I only have lircd lircm in dev

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seth|work:

here is the key, where you select lirc_mceusb2 "dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source"

[18:19:04]

plb_:

did that

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seth|work:

this worked for me in ubuntu

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plb_:

did you keep mce_usb selected as well or mce_usb2?

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seth|work:

just mce_usb2

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plb_:

ok

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seth|work:

the pvr150mce uses the Philips Type R6 remote, you want mce_usb2

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seth|work:

you have the remote code in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf

[18:21:27]

seth|work:

well i guess first we need an /dev/lirc0 instance appearing, when typing in ls /dev/lirc*

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plb_:

ya ;]

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seth|work:

you have lirc_dev and lirc_mceusb2 listed in an 'lsmod' ?

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plb_:

1 mo rebuilding it

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plb_:

do now ;]

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seth|work:

then run /etc/init.d/lircd restart

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seth|work:

as root or sudo

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plb_:

did but I still have no /dev/lirc0

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plb_:

hmm

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plb_:

brb

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seth|work:

check /etc/lirc/hardware.conf and ensure it is /dev/lirc0 not /dev/lirc/0

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plb_:

hm

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plb_:

i just have lircd lircm entries but lirc0

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plb_:

hm

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plb_:

lirc_gpio (-1): could not get card type?

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SerajewelKS:

how about http://cgi.ebay.com/Cable-Tv-Antenna-Signal-B . . . cmdZViewItem

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SerajewelKS:

or http://cgi.ebay.com/CABLE-TV-SIGNAL-BOOSTER-D . . . cmdZViewItem

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seth|work:

what is in your hardware.conf file

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seth|work:

plb_:

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plb_:

um

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plb_:

lemme see

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** seth|work checks his quick **

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plb_:

which bit exactly?

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plb_:

perhaps I should set device to /dev/lirc0?

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seth|work:

yes, that is what mine has, otherwise devfs will assign it as /dev/lirc/0

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plb_:

you have DEVICE="/dev/lirc0" in yours?

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seth|work:

yes

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plb_:

alright lemme see

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plb_:

hm weird still no /dev/lirc0

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plb_:

wtf

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KiSak:

hi folks

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seth|work:

hey kisak

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KiSak:

hey seth

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plb_:

hmm

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plb_:

dmesg looks good on the lirc

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seth|work:

plb_: and the modules for lirc_dev and lirc_mceusb2 are still loaded?

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plb_:

yep

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seth|work:

how odd

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KiSak:

seth|work: I'm not finding any info on what's needed to migrate mythconverg from 0.20.2 to 0.21

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plb_:

mode2: error opening /dev/lirc

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plb_:

mode2: No such file or directory

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iamlindoro_:

There is nothing needed. When you start the newer backend in automatically upgrades the database.

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seth|work:

KiSak: I merely dumped mythconverg, and then re imported it, nothing special there

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iamlindoro_:

er s/in/it/

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KiSak:

can it be converted back if something goes awry?

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seth|work:

plb_: is the module lirc_i2c loaded, if so remove it

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seth|work:

no, save your dump to a different file

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seth|work:

that way you always have a good pre 0.21 dump

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plb_:

ok I unloaded it

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seth|work:

i still have mine

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seth|work:

yes for mce_usb2 the only module required are lirc_dev and lirc_mceusb2

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seth|work:

could have been giving you issues, now stop and start lirc again /etc/init.d/lirc stop then start

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plb_:

only lircd lircm is in /dev/

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iamlindoro_:

plb_, Do the following

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iamlindoro_:

sudo /etc/init.d/lirc stop

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plb_:

done

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iamlindoro_:

sudo lircd -n --driver=default --device=/dev/lirc0

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iamlindoro_:

That will run lircd in your terminal. Look for suspicious output.

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plb_:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

open a second terminal.

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plb_:

nothing...

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plb_:

ok

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SerajewelKS:

ok last link, is this a good value? http://www.amazon.com/Zenith-ZEN-AA1-HD-Anten . . . p/B00017YHMY

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iamlindoro_:

ls -al /dev/lirc*

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iamlindoro_:

still the same?

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plb_:

srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2008-01–28 13:52 /dev/lircd

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plb_:

prw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2008-01–28 13:44 /dev/lircm

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iamlindoro_:

pastebin the output from the lircd command

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plb_:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

also pastebin output of ps aux |grep lirc

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plb_:

the output from the lircd -n --driver=default --device=/dev/lirc0?

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plb_:

root 2786 0.0 0.0 2852 700 pts/2 R+ 13:54 0:00 grep lirc

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plb_:

that's all ps -aux gives me

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plb_:

hee

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plb_:

heh

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plb_:

er

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plb_:

woops

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iamlindoro_:

lircd isn't running then

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plb_:

I killed root 2788 0.0 0.0 2748 576 ? Ss 13:55 0:00 lircd

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plb_:

hehe

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plb_:

there ya go

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plb_:

ya

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iamlindoro_:

wait, so you killed lircd before running the ps aux, or no?

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iamlindoro_:

if so, why?

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iamlindoro_:

and yes, I want the output from lircd -n --driver=default --device=/dev/lirc0

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plb_:

it just said...

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plb_:

lircd-0.8.0[2761]: lircd(userspace) ready

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plb_:

but then I ran lircmd from the other terminal and it gave me this...

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plb_:

lircd-0.8.0[2761]: accepted new client on /dev/lircd

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plb_:

lircd-0.8.0[2761]: could not get file information for /dev/lirc0

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plb_:

lircd-0.8.0[2761]: default_init(): No such file or directory

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plb_:

lircd-0.8.0[2761]: caught signal

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plb_:

then it died

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iamlindoro_:

ok, and did you stop it, or no? I wanted that to still be running. You don't need lircmd

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plb_:

it

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plb_:

s

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plb_:

running now

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plb_:

it's not giving me any output though

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iamlindoro_:

That'

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plb_:

lircd-0.8.0[2793]: lircd(userspace) ready

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plb_:

just that

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iamlindoro_:

that's fine. Now from another terminal do ps aux |grep lirc

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iamlindoro_:

and pastebin, stop pasting into the channel

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plb_:

ok

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plb_:

hm

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KiSak:

will mythbackend update the db for 0.21 or will mythfilldatabase?

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plb_:

http://pastebin.com/maa500db

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iamlindoro_:

plb, that looks fine. Good. Now pastebin your /etc/lirc/hardware.conf please.

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iamlindoro_:

and you can kill lircd now

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iamlindoro_:

don't start the service again, though

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plb_:

http://pastebin.com/m58baf9c2

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iamlindoro_:

KiSak, starting mythbackend on an old db will update the database.

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KiSak:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

plb_, edit your hardware.conf

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KiSak:

thank you iamlindoro__

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iamlindoro_:

and do the following

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KiSak:

I wish I could have found more of this information on my own

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iamlindoro_:

change MODULES="" to MODULES="lirc_dev lirc_mceusb2"

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plb_:

ok

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plb_:

so I take it I can remove those modules from /etc/modules?

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iamlindoro_:

no

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iamlindoro_:

don't make up steps

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plb_:

alright

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plb_:

so I don't need the lirc_i2c one though?

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iamlindoro_:

no

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plb_:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

also, please pastebin output of lsmod |grep lirc

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iamlindoro_:

once you have saved hardware.conf, that is

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seth|work:

you would if it were using the pvr150 ir bit, but the mce one replaces it

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plb_:

ah ok

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seth|work:

that was my first issue when I tried this, it was loading lirc_i2c, and giving me issues

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Ernst:

Hi is there anyone here that tried this usb-ci interface (http://tvde.terratec.net/modules.php?op=modlo . . . amp;sid=284) or can tell me if it works!? And might it work with multiple tunercards?

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plb_:

http://pastebin.com/m1ffae997

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Ernst:

it look interesting right? An usb-ci module !

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iamlindoro_:

ok plb_, now try lircd -n --driver=default --device=/dev/lirc0 again

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plb_:

ok

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plb_:

lircd-0.8.0[2812]: lircd(userspace) ready

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iamlindoro_:

and ls -al /dev/lirc* from another term again

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plb_:

same thing

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plb_:

lircd lircm

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iamlindoro_:

hmmm.. that *is* an old version of lirc

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iamlindoro_:

you might want to get 0.8.2

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plb_:

alright

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iamlindoro_:

what that what was in your repository?

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plb_:

ya

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iamlindoro_:

0.8.0 is like a year and a half old, I believe

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iamlindoro_:

nope, two years

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seth|work:

0.8.2 supports the irblasters on the mce usb receiver

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iamlindoro_:

so yeah, that may very well be your issue

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plb_:

alright lemme try compiling

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iamlindoro_:

should be simple, apt-get build-dep lirc

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iamlindoro_:

then compiling should work file

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plb_:

hopefully... ;]

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plb_:

heh

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plb_:

seems I now have a /dev/lirc

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plb_:

hm brb

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Ernst:

nobody here that has tried out the Terratec Cinergy CI USB on myth?

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iamlindoro_:

None of the USB CI's work, I believe

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Ernst:

ah crap

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iamlindoro_:

Last I heard there was no USB CI support whatsoever in linux

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Ernst:

maybe new kernel in a couple of months

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iamlindoro_:

It's not a matter of the kernel

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iamlindoro_:

From what I understand, only the on-card CIs will ever be supported

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Ernst:

but if it where not on linux, *caugh* can one usb ci-module be used for multiple tuners?

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iamlindoro_:

You'd have to ask someone who knows these things better than I do, of course, but I believe the use of USB CIs relies on a pretty hefty DRM'ed software component that will never exist in linux

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iamlindoro_:

Ernst, could tell you about that last part, no idea

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plb_:

argh still no lirc0 =\

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KiSak:

well, mythtv 0.21 ebuild is failing

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KiSak:

subversion.eclass: ESVN_REPO_URI (or specified URI) and working copy's URL are not matched.

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bradd:

any mythweb experts here?

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xris:

nope

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bradd:

heh

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plb_:

hm

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plb_:

i have no lirc* entries now =\

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plb_:

though all lirc_dev and lirc_mceusb2 are both loaded

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KiSak:

ok, the reason mythtv 0.21 failed was because the space it wanted to put the svn checkout was already used by 0.20.2

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seth|work:

so rm -rf /usr/portage/distfiles/svn*

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KiSak:

already did

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leprasmurf:

hello all, I'm trying to fine tune some channels that I notice look to be lower quality than others

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leprasmurf:

I've installed xawtv, but am having trouble running it to check the fine tuning frequency. anyone have a good way of doing this, or know why xawtv would be failing?

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KiSak:

If I wanted to switch a sbe to be the mbe, what would that involve?

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xris:

bradd: helps to just ask your question

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bradd:

i have a few times with no response so i figured i ask if anyone was familiar with mythweb first this time

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bradd:

i just emailed the mailing list..no big deal..

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iamlindoro_:

and thus further reduce chances of getting an answer

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plb_:

iamlindoro_: still no /dev/lirc0 =\

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xris:

bradd: just an fyi, there's probably no better resource than me for mythweb questions (since I wrote most of it)... so feel free to ask again.

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KiSak:

is there any plans in the near future to get mythweb to validate to some standard?

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iamlindoro_:

plb_, dunno what to tell you, if the modules are loaded and (presumably) you compiled lirc correctly, and lircd is running, it should definitely exist.

[19:59:12]

xris:

KiSak: probably not... I keep trying to clean up the html stuff, but it's a slow going process when there are features to add, etc.

[19:59:31]

plb_:

hm weird

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iamlindoro_:

plb_, remove and replug your USB receiver in another port, then pastebin the last 50 or so lines of dmesg

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bradd:

thats good to know. basically...i get 0 byte thumbnails and file does not exist in any recognized storage group directories for this host. error messages in the program details pages for recordings made on my slave backend..

[20:00:25]

bradd:

but i do get thumbnails in the recorded programs tab for the same show

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xris:

bradd: check the bug report list.... long-standing well-known bug

[20:00:44]

bradd:

i have read all of that but this seems different that what ive found

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xris:

oh, maybe something else. what version of mythweb?

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bradd:

i took mythweb from svn version 15624

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bradd:

there is a bunch of info in the email i sent to the list

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plb_:

iamlindoro_: well i know the usb works I had my printer in it and also when i press a button on the remote i see the redlight on it flash

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iamlindoro_:

just do as I aks, please

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bradd:

the call to GetPreviewImage is made to the master backend when it seems like it should be made to the slave

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iamlindoro_:

or figure it out yourself

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xris:

so... branches/0.19? (sorry, pet peeve, svn revision has nothing to do with which code you pulled)

[20:01:56]

KiSak:

I was considering helping, but it's a whole lot of changes, and it would be highly likely that I'd make some other dev grumpy and I'd rather have happy devs than push something as minor as validation

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bradd:

trunk

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bradd:

Source code version : 15624

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bradd:

SVN Branch : trunk

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bradd:

Library API version : 0.21.20080114–1

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bradd:

Network Protocol Version: 38

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plb_:

iamlindoro_: alright I will just gotta run out for about 20min I'll be back and try it

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xris:

bradd: if you're getting zero-byte thumbnails from trunk, there's no real easy way to tell if it's a different bug until the known issue gets fixed.

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fedorared:

KiSak: Code contributions also make happy devs, generally

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KiSak:

fedorared: but style changes without increase in functionality can be annoying

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leprasmurf:

hello all, I'm trying to fine tune some channels that I notice look to be lower quality than others

[20:04:04]

leprasmurf:

I've installed xawtv, but am having trouble running it to check the fine tuning frequency. anyone have a good way of doing this, or know why xawtv would be failing?

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bradd:

hmmm...okay

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xris:

KiSak: yeah. I actually requested that people hold off on that kind of stuff until I've stabilized the look/feel

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leprasmurf:

windows ME

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xris:

if you want to do something to help, the one standards-type thing I'd like to get done before .21 (but won't have time to do myself) would be to fix the "sub style" stylesheet definitions to work with IE 6... styles can't start with _ so I switched it to – which is a valid IE 6 character, but it apparently doesn't work either...

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xris:

of course, I should come up with some sort of standard naming scheme for that... just wish that _ or – prefix worked so it could mimic coding styles

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KiSak:

I know that there is some stange behavior with mythweb 0.20.x, particularly with the background color being painted late, and tables going from centered to stretched when some buttons are clicked

[20:08:31]

KiSak:

is that in the trunk?

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xris:

pretty sure I fixed that.

[20:08:49]

xris:

I think the stretching was from a missing </td> or something like that

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KiSak:

nice

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xris:

.21 looks a LOT different from .20

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KiSak:

I was hoping for that

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KiSak:

if I do happen to get a page validated or something like that, I'll show up back here and give you a shout before doing anything to try to commit it to svn

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KiSak:

fair enough?

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xris:

hmm, was going to show screenshots, but looks like I didn't make new ones

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xris:

yeah, you'll definitely need to update to svn before trying to make any changes.

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xris:

after .20 was released, I did put some effort into cleaning things up to bring things closer to validation

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KiSak:

that's good to hear

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zabadapp:

tell us about .21 :-)

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KiSak:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.21

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.21

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iamlindoro_:

heh

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fryfrog:

Holey cow, Nokia planning to aquire trolltech!?

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GreyFoxx:

Those likely need to be updated

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jams:

fryfrog- guess a memo was not sent out...

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SerajewelKS:

now it's magically picking up ATSC channels

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fryfrog:

jams: i haven't seen it on the internet, it was just in my inbox at work (I work at Nokia)

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SerajewelKS:

maybe because it's later in the day? (i know many signals are stronger at night due to lessened interference)

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fryfrog:

I ... hope I didn't do something bad :/

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jams:

fryfrog- there was a press release

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directhex:

KUATBT!

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fryfrog:

oh, you mean you guess *i* didn't see the memo :p

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jams:

heh

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jams:

guess they did send a memo

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directhex:

they sent a maemo!

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directhex:

dadum*tish*

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fryfrog:

So totally unrelated, my local "alternative" radio station (the only one in Atlanta) just went off the air last friday :(

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Dagmar:

WREK went off the air?

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directhex:

fryfrog, start your OWN pirate radio station! with blackjack! and hookers!

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fryfrog:

WNNX I think it was

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Dagmar:

Oh, okay

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Dagmar:

I thought WREK was still operating on 91.1 there

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fryfrog:

99.7

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fryfrog:

I dunno what 91.1 is

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Dagmar:

Prolly GATech

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fryfrog:

ah, could be

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directhex:

tee hee, wnnx out loud sounds like "wanks"

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fryfrog:

Ninty Nine X i believe is what it stands for

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Dagmar:

AH that one

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Dagmar:

Damn

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fryfrog:

er, *stood* for

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Dagmar:

WTF man

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fryfrog:

seriously :(

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fryfrog:

and 100.5 (Q100) moved to 99.7

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Dagmar:

Might as well rip the damn radio out of the car and put a line in jack for an iPod

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fryfrog:

for serious

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

wait

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fryfrog:

"99X will still exist, but only in online and HD format, and many of the old shows and DJs will not be around."

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fryfrog:

do you think that means they still are on the waves on a new HD radio station?

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Dagmar:

not likely

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fryfrog:

then wtf does "HD format" mean?

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Dagmar:

It means they sold themselves off to Sirius

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fryfrog:

no wai, they are more gone

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fryfrog:

I wish they'd gone to Serious or XM, but they'd have mentioned that.

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fryfrog:

Well, I guess that reduces the things I'll miss about Atlanta by one when I move to Palo Alto :p

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Dagmar:

Not if they just sold the "rights" and infrastructure

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Dagmar:

You won't miss jack or squat with San Francisco a short drive awya

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fryfrog:

I liked the music on 99x, I mean :)

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_sajko:

Guys, a quick question, have anyone of you ever seen this error before? http://pastebin.com/m7390a070

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Dagmar:

If it weren't for that FCC field office in Atlanta, I'd say take over their frequency

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_sajko:

Additional info is that the screen gets all garbeled with blue/green/red stuff when i turn on livetv

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Dagmar:

...but we've kinda seen that if you thumb your nose at them hard enough, they will send out the vans.

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Dagmar:

Heh

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fryfrog:

99.7 was 100,000 watss, 100.5 (the one that took it over) was only 12,000 watts

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justinh:

_sajko: downgrade your nvidia driver

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fryfrog:

I guess I should be surprised that a top 40s station took over an alternative one.

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_sajko:

justinh: its that simple?

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justinh:

_sajko: btw the 'error' is not an error.

[20:58:10]

justinh:

_sajko: lots of people have reported green/red/various colour screens when using too new a nvidia driver

[20:58:21]

_sajko:

justinh: okey okey, gonna try that then :)

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fryfrog:

99X still exists on 99.7 HD-2 and online at 99X.com.

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directhex:

justinh, it happens from ~90->100. 160ish is fine

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fryfrog:

yeah, they are still broadcasting in the HD radio

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_sajko:

justinh: could explain why it stopped working all of a sudden.. i most likely did a package upgrade :P

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: So who has those things?

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justinh:

high definition radio. que?

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Dagmar:

Exactly.

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fryfrog:

not very many people

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Dagmar:

Linux has bigger market share at the moment

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fryfrog:

If I were staying in Atlanta, I'd get one for the car that can take a new radio.

[20:59:24]

justinh:

like DAB over here but without sounding like it's being played underwater I suppose

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_sajko:

hum interresting... im apperantly using 100.14.19–6 whilest the new nvidia version is 169.09

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justinh:

and of course DRM'd I'll wager

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fryfrog:

I wonder how good their internet radio feed is. God, I hope it isn't real player based or some shit.

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directhex:

_sajko, 100.x are definitely bugged

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justinh:

real player or wma..

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_sajko:

directhex: yeah im gonna try to upgrade it before i downgrade it :)

[21:00:27]

_sajko:

rather have new drivers then old drivers

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justinh:

what a choice. death by chocolate or death by shooting..

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Dagmar:

Yeah they kinda ditched the 100 series, although it worked okay for me

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_sajko:

death by chocolate must be the way to go then

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directhex:

justinh, cake or death?

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** justinh remembers tomorrow. death by asteroid! **

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iamlindoro_:

I'll take death by shooting... I saw Se7en, death by chocolate looks bad

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_sajko:

oh right, i read in the new today that we're dead by 2036 by a asteroid name Apophis :P

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justinh:

it didn't happen today so by logical deduction, must have meant tomorrow

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fryfrog:

wasn't that spagetti?

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iamlindoro_:

Well, I was trying to capture the spirit, not the actual death

[21:02:10]

iamlindoro_:

er, rather, dish

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fryfrog:

oic!

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justinh:

mmm spirits

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philip_:

a question

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iamlindoro_:

sll the same, looked yucky... like those folks here who sit on the couch so long their skin grafts onto the fibers... YUCK

[21:02:46]

philip_:

can mythtv record/watch two or more channels on the same transponder?

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_sajko:

okey, now the output isn't garbled :> so 169.09 works

[21:02:50]

justinh:

stuff to do here but.. can't.. get .. mot.. bah can't be arsed

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Dagmar:

It's not going to be all the flaming computers falling from the sky when 32-bit epoch time rolls over?

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iamlindoro_:

philip_, in SVN, yes.

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justinh:

philip_: svn trunk can

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_sajko:

but then again now i need to configure my tv-card again :P

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philip_:

damn :)

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fryfrog:

philip_: not yet, but it is coming

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fryfrog:

philip_: er, at least in the "-fixes" or stable release

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philip_:

how long is it gonna take that to become a .deb? ;)

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** justinh recorded 10 channels at the same time the other day **

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iamlindoro_:

as long as it takes you to compile it and run checkinstall

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fryfrog:

not until it is "ready"

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_sajko:

justinh: you have to many capture cards ;P

[21:03:43]

justinh:

fryfrog: add packaging delays...

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** justinh has one dvb-t tuner in his dev box **

[21:04:18]

philip_:

i'd like a stream from .us :/

[21:04:24]

justinh:

6 tv channels & four radio channels all at the same time. it's rather spiffy

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_sajko:

;D

[21:04:32]

philip_:

i want english cartoon network

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philip_:

or comedy central

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philip_:

and us cnn, abc, fox, ...

[21:05:16]

philip_:

if they'd just give away one of their satellites to point on central europe ...

[21:05:18]

justinh:

philip_: not happy with dancing on ice / dancing with the stars / big brother / that other sh1t reality thing on BBC1 ?

[21:05:34]

iamlindoro_:

Heh, given our writers strike, all WE have is shit reality right now too

[21:05:34]

philip_:

justinh: thanks, we have that in austria too

[21:05:36]

philip_:

in german

[21:05:39]

justinh:

you must like, have a brain or something

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iamlindoro_:

that said, LOST is back this week

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jams:

iamlindoro- the roomba is really nice, looking at adding the scooba now.

[21:05:53]

philip_:

and i wonder if that it is in german makes it suck even worse

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justinh:

spoke too soon

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jams:

our floors haven't been this clean on a daily basis in some time.

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philip_:

our stations should fire up a -international branch of their programmes

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iamlindoro_:

jams, Yeah, I like it... only trouble is keeping their specific Clorox cleaning fluid in the house

[21:06:47]

xris:

KiSak: if you wanted to see some screenshots of the new mythweb, I have some preliminary ones here: http://newmyth.forevermore.net/detail

[21:06:47]

justinh:

lost must be a lot like Twin Peaks. I just can't see what the effing fuss is all about

[21:06:55]

iamlindoro_:

jams, because I've never managed to find it in the store, need to get it from amazon

[21:06:56]

philip_:

where you get to see news and shows at the same time or at least in the same week as in the .us

[21:07:19]

jams:

iamlindoro- i can deal with that.

[21:07:29]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, Well, being heavily serialized, it's tough to jump in halfway through. But sure, it's not for everyone

[21:07:45]

philip_:

justinh: are you a brit?

[21:07:49]

justinh:

philip_: yeah

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philip_:

justinh: so then stop whining

[21:08:03]

justinh:

24, heroes (at a push!).. everything else I can live without

[21:08:06]

philip_:

you have torchwood, doctor who, it crowd ...

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iamlindoro_:

Peep show ;)

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justinh:

DR whoo.. torchpoo.. ROFLMFAO

[21:08:34]

justinh:

granted IT crowd is unmissable

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philip_:

justinh: at least they try

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justinh:

not Who or torchwood though

[21:09:02]

philip_:

well, the new doctor who got me to watch all the old ones :)

[21:09:09]

justinh:

it's bad cos Russell T Davies did Queer as folk, and that was very good

[21:09:31]

justinh:

bring back Eccleston

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justinh:

nay bring back Tom Baker

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GreyFoxx:

I love the IT Crowd

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GreyFoxx:

busts me up :)

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philip_:

seriously, a country where people like douglas adams, steven fry, hugh laurie and the monty python guys could do programme

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justinh:

jees man how many of our shows do you get?

[21:10:03]

philip_:

should be like paradise

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: CBC gets everything :)

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justinh:

philip_: sadly what counts for primetime is reality dirge and worse

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GreyFoxx:

among other channels :)

[21:10:28]

philip_:

in austria, people like those got intimidated for political reasons

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philip_:

and german tv is crap alltogether

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GreyFoxx:

CBC is and a few other channels get a LOT of BBC/UK programming

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justinh:

I've seen some open mythboxes out there & they have emmerdale & coronation st in Finland

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justinh:

among other places. I mean – how bad must their tv be?

[21:11:05]

SerajewelKS:

now that i have ATSC working with my new card

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justinh:

Eastenders too. man I feel so sorry for those guys

[21:11:31]

SerajewelKS:

i'm sitting here watching maury thinking, i paid $130 to watch this shit in HD!?

[21:11:50]

justinh:

SerajewelKS: price of 2 reasonably good nights out in the UK :)

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iamlindoro_:

Mid-day TV is not the way to sell yourself on HD

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro_: no kidding :)

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philip_:

btw, justinh, in gb, there is some sort of hd

[21:13:05]

SerajewelKS:

how often is program data refreshed

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philip_:

how does that work?

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philip_:

is that broadcasted terrestrial too?

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SerajewelKS:

my local NBC station has no data in the guide

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philip_:

or just on cable/sat?

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iamlindoro_:

SerajewelKS, If you are relying on EIT in the US, you may never get anything at all

[21:14:01]

SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro_: i am, and i get data for other channels

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iamlindoro_:

Lots and lots of broadcasters send nothing at all, they're not required to

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro_: i messed around with that xmltv provider

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justinh:

philip_: BBCHD on satellite and just one free to view (not free to air) HD channel

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philip_:

so no terrestrial hd?

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro_: i could not figure out what the hell i was supposed to do during mythfilldatabase --manual

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justinh:

philip_: and Sky HD, which can't even remotely be used with mythtv and certainly NOT worth Â£40 a month

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justinh:

philip_: lol no not til 2012 if we're lucky

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iamlindoro_:

SerajewelKS, count yourself as lucky that you're getting anything... In NA, SchedulesDirect is the way to go

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philip_:

ok, same here

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philip_:

thanks :)

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro_: yeah that was what i tried

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justinh:

philip_: glad it's not gonna be mpeg2 hdtv though :D

[21:15:26]

GreyFoxx:

SerajewelKS: If you are using Schedulesdirect you wouldn't need to use --manual with mythfilldatabase

[21:15:29]

iamlindoro_:

If you've set SD up properly, you shouldn't need any command line switched for mythfilldatabase

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GreyFoxx:

assuming you are not using an older myth which didn't support SD

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SerajewelKS:

GreyFoxx: ah

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** SerajewelKS tinkers **

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GreyFoxx:

myth's internal grabber will grab SD listings directly

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GreyFoxx:

no need for xmltv

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SerajewelKS:

GreyFoxx: do i have to scan for channels afterwards?

[21:19:22]

SerajewelKS:

i am running mythfilldatabase after switching to SD

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SerajewelKS:

it seems to be infinitely looping around fetching the file

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SerajewelKS:

just kidding

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, I love modern society. "Just kidding" has replaced "I was wrong."

[21:20:17]

iamlindoro_:

;)

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SerajewelKS:

i wasn't wrong, i said "it seems to be" not "it is"

[21:21:01]

SerajewelKS:

or at least i didn't seem to be wrong :)

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** SerajewelKS ducks **

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iamlindoro_:

Yes, that completely disproves my point about playing semantic games to avoid admitting being wrong. :)

[21:22:03]

Dagmar:

You guys have really missed the big one

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SerajewelKS:

ok i set up SD, now when i'm configuring the input and click "Fetch channels from listings source" it does nothing at all

[21:22:09]

Dagmar:

"I was just writing the way *I* do it"

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SerajewelKS:

i don't have any channels

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[21:22:40]

SerajewelKS:

do i still have to scan?

[21:22:40]

Dagmar:

Any Gentooers who read LQ now... all I have to say is that I'm sorry, pappy_mcfae proved 100% clue-resistant

[21:22:52]

iamlindoro_:

SerajewelKS, That's ok, fetch channels doesn't work for me from setup either, but if you leave setup and run mythfilldatabase, at least here, they show up next time you are in setup

[21:23:06]

SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro_: that is what i just did; nothing has changed

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iamlindoro_:

SerajewelKS, QAM/ATSC is also sometimes troublesome, so you will likely want to scan, and may even need to manually associate XMLids with channels

[21:24:04]

SerajewelKS:

bleh

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iamlindoro_:

It's worth it in the end to have two weeks of data versus none/very little

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iamlindoro_:

and only need to do it once.

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SerajewelKS:

ok now scan isn't yielding any results at all

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SerajewelKS:

grr

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SerajewelKS:

it just got like fifteen channels, now 0

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iamlindoro_:

Did you set correct modulation/frequency?

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SerajewelKS:

where?

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iamlindoro_:

also, are you using QAM or OTA?

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iamlindoro_:

in the channel scan

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SerajewelKS:

terrestrial

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SerajewelKS:

8-VSB

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iamlindoro_:

Then, presuming USA, you want 8VSB and broadcast

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iamlindoro_:

versus the default of QAM-256

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SerajewelKS:

terrestrial was the default

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SerajewelKS:

and it just worked five minutes ago

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SerajewelKS:

i have a bunch of timeouts "no signal" and "no tables"

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SerajewelKS:

which i was getting earlier today

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iamlindoro_:

well, I've never heard of a "terrestrial" frequency table... in myth, it's always been called "braodcast" for me

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SerajewelKS:

then a few minutes ago it magically worked

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iamlindoro_:

er boadcast

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iamlindoro_:

er broadcast

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justinh:

Dagmar: LQ is a serious ongoing concern?

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SerajewelKS:

broadcast frequency, terrestrial modulation

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justinh:

I thought LQ was just a joke

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Dagmar:

justinh: If you like to stem the tide of idiocy, yeah

[21:27:42]

Dagmar:

pappy_mcfae was telling people to upgrade their kernel headers in /usr/include/linux when they upgraded their kernels.

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iamlindoro_:

SerajewelKS, I've also never seen the modulations referred to anything but their actual names, ie 8VSB, QAM-256, etc.

[21:28:03]

Dagmar:

...and would NOT listen to us telling him "No, that is wrong. Even LINUS says not to do that."

[21:28:12]

Dagmar:

That kinda stupid has a ripple effect

[21:28:15]

Dagmar:

It festers.

[21:28:29]

Dagmar:

I believe the popular phrase is "bogon emitter"

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro_: well it says 8-VSB too

[21:28:45]

SerajewelKS:

anyway, these are the same settings that were working before

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iamlindoro_:

SerajewelKS, ah, ok... in that case, yes, that's correct, broadcast and 8VSB should work properly

[21:29:03]

SerajewelKS:

they did, once

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SerajewelKS:

now all i get is "no tables" everywhere

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Dagmar:

justinh: Basically, if you dont' put a little effort into hunting down bogons and countering them, you wind up with EndlessSeptember

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KiSak:

so ... mythdvd and mythvideo merged

[21:31:02]

KiSak:

did they overlap that well?

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Dagmar:

Wow

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Dagmar:

I rather expected the recordings browser and mythvideo would merge first

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_sajko:

so a question regarding tvtime in myth if this isnt the wrong place to ask this... When i start tvtime it starts in windowmode then goes to fullscreen, is there anyway to get it to start in fullscreen directly?

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Dagmar:

_sajko: Maybe run it with --help

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_sajko:

Dagmar: well i've read the manpage and -m does fullscreen mode... still starts a window and the goes to fullscreen thou

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_sajko:

then*

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Dagmar:

Looks like you're dealing with a problem caused by using a framegrabber card then

[21:33:00]

_sajko:

nod, almost thought so

[21:33:22]

_sajko:

well im thinking about getting a new one so maybe i shouldn't bother too much with it

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Dagmar:

You should stop thinking and just do it

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Dagmar:

I used Brooktree cards for years

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Dagmar:

These PVR-x50 cards Hauppauge has are astronomical units ahead of that

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_sajko:

hehe :P well i'm quite poor this month since i bought myself a 720p dlp projector :P

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Dagmar:

Having the card encode to MPEG for you is just the bee's knees

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_sajko:

^^

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Dagmar:

Many, many issues just evaporate like morning frost

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_sajko:

well can't say i haven't been tempted :P

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KiSak:

well ... I'm firing up mythbackend-0.21_pre15447 for the first time

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bagpuss_thecat:

oh aye, when's the estimated release date for the new myth?

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KiSak:

I saw Feb '08 somewhere

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** bagpuss_thecat is sick fed up with mythtv-backend randomly and quietly dying on both his backends **

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iamlindoro_:

before Duke Nukem Forever

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bagpuss_thecat:

iamlindoro_: tomorrow then?

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Vaelys:

DNF lawl

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iamlindoro_:

That's in the specified range, but not the release date

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Dagmar:

Will the flashplayer be in that MythWeb?

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KiSak:

flv player is listed in the release notes

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Dagmar:

Excellent

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Dagmar:

it kinda figures that it'll come out very soon

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bagpuss_thecat:

oooh, spangly

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Dagmar:

I *just* did a complete rebuild

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Dagmar:

My compiling things seems to cause spontaneous new releases

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** bagpuss_thecat is holding off any hardcore diagnosing of his backend crapness (ooer missus) in anticipation of a new release Very Soon Now(tm) **

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Dagmar:

I just finished a set of binaries for Slack 12 last week. *sigh*

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Dagmar:

I guess it gives me an excuse to hash out a few more things

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xris:

flv player will be in .21, but it's disabled by default

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Dagmar:

Well, there's something to hash out then

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KiSak:

could I please get a crash course in mpeg2 settings for mythtv (pvr-150)

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KiSak:

this video is transcoded for commercial removal for non-mythfrontend users

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Dagmar:

There really isn't one

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xris:

KiSak: not sure what you mean...

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KiSak:

xris: I'm not sure what I'm looking at and how it affects the final result when it comes to mpeg 2

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KiSak:

I've only had the pvr 150 for a week now

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xris:

as long as your transcode profile is set to "lossless" you won't lose any quality from the original recording

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KiSak:

if I set it to lossless, it fails to remove the commercials

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KiSak:

at least in 0.20.2

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iamlindoro_:

then you're not loading the commercials as a butlist

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iamlindoro_:

er cutlist

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iamlindoro_:

play recording, plress M, choose edit recording, press Z to load commflag as a cutlist.

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iamlindoro_:

Then transcode.

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Dagmar:

e-z-e

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KiSak:

iamlindoro_: I have a script written up that processes the video

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iamlindoro_:

KiSak, then you're probably trying to lossless transcode the video by filename... which doesn't work.

[21:53:29]

iamlindoro_:

You need to use the chanID and starttime

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KiSak:

the mpeg4 video does lossless transcode in the same setup

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** iamlindoro_ refuses to help people who fight him **

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iamlindoro_:

good luck then!

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KiSak:

I'm trying here

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Dagmar:

Frankly I'm shocked he trusts the commflagger that much

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KiSak:

from my experience and this setup, the commflagger is arround 95% accurate

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KiSak:

which is good enough for what I'm doing

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KiSak:

and the originals are kept for 24 hours

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SerajewelKS:

i'm not getting any audio with HD channels

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SerajewelKS:

digital yes, HD no

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iamlindoro_:

SerajewelKS, toggle your AC3/DTS passthrough settings and see if that changes

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro_: ok, now i get something resembling a machine gun for cockroaches

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** iamlindoro_ struggles to wrap his head around that metaphor **

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SerajewelKS:

it's a very loud clicking sound

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SerajewelKS:

repeatedly

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SerajewelKS:

and it hurts

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iamlindoro_:

neat!

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SerajewelKS:

yes

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SerajewelKS:

but i'd like to hear the show please :)

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, that would seem to indicated that the audio track is present, at least... Check into http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DigitalSoundHowTo and see if any of that helps you

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iamlindoro_:

er indicate

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KiSak:

iamlindoro_: my current transcode line is "mythtranscode --honorcutlist --showprogress -i $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME -o $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME.tmp", and you're saying it should look more like "mythtranscode --honorcutlist --showprogress -c %CHANID% -s %STARTTIME% -o $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME.tmp" Is that right?

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iamlindoro_:

well, more or less, but I believe it also needs --mpeg2

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iamlindoro_:

otherwise it's not lossless

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KiSak:

well, that will break mpeg4, won't it?

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iamlindoro_:

Couldn't tell you, I don't capture anything mpeg4

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KiSak:

what can I do to get the script to distinguish between the two?

[22:07:10]

iamlindoro_:

So what if you need two scripts?

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KiSak:

because mpeg2 and mpeg4 captures are mixed together

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iamlindoro_:

or have it process based on extension by using awk to determine it

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KiSak:

I have a bt878 that's been kicking for months, the pvr150 is new

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iamlindoro_:

presumably if your mpeg-4 is from a framegrabber, it ought to all be in NUVs, and your digital or pvr stuff ought to all be mpg

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro_: didn't really find much on that page related to a half-working setup

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iamlindoro_:

so awk out the extension and use if/elif

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iamlindoro_:

SerajewelKS, Just because it doesn't address clicking doesn't mean that you shouldn't be doing all that stuff

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KiSak:

iamlindoro_: fair enough

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro_: ok i think the issue is that digital output is just not working at all

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iamlindoro_:

SerajewelKS, Figured it had something to do with the ALSA setup.. once you get that sorted it ought to work OK

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SerajewelKS:

`speaker-test -c2 --device cards.pcm.iec958 --rate 48000` shows that it's trying speakers but i hear nothing

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SerajewelKS:

and my iec958 channel is up and unmuted

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SerajewelKS:

so i'm sure sure what about my setup is borked

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iamlindoro_:

KiSak, http://www.pastebin.ca/876587

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KiSak:

cool

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iamlindoro_:

That's an example presuming the $1=the filename

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KiSak:

here I thought I needed to go study awk after I got mythweb back online

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xris:

?

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro_: if i didn't say so, i do not have any digital connection on my sound card

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro_: so i don't want it to be outputting to that, i want it to be output to the same analog line

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iamlindoro_:

SerajewelKS, OK... well I would play around with the mixer and ALSA device a bit in general settings and see if any of that works for you... I expect it might.

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SerajewelKS:

oh hey

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SerajewelKS:

there it is

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SerajewelKS:

i guess HD audio is just really quiet

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SerajewelKS:

turned passthrough back off and there it was

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SerajewelKS:

ok... one more problem :)

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SerajewelKS:

this channel looks very interlaced, but changing the scan settings doesn't correct the problem

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SerajewelKS:

i have tried auto, progressive, interlaced, and reverse interlaced

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SerajewelKS:

i see the interlacing on all settings

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iamlindoro_:

Have you tried all the different deinterlacers?

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SerajewelKS:

where can those be set?

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iamlindoro_:

In TV playback settings

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SerajewelKS:

ah

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SerajewelKS:

i didn't even have it enabled :/

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iamlindoro_:

That'd do it

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SerajewelKS:

and in the program guide, when i get enter it asks me to create a schedule. is there a key that means "tune to this station right now?"

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iamlindoro_:

Yes, in TV General settings, Browse mode

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iamlindoro_:

It's a tick box, the exact wording escapes me right now

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SerajewelKS:

i don't see that option in setup>tv>general

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SerajewelKS:

ah there it is

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SerajewelKS:

setup>tv>guide>Use select to change the channel

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SerajewelKS:

awesome

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SerajewelKS:

thanks for all the help

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iamlindoro_:

no prob

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SerajewelKS:

so that's 15 firefox tabs i can close now

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SerajewelKS:

what happens if i'm watching when a scheduled recording comes on

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Daily_Use

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iamlindoro_:

It's worth a read. In short, you would be prompted.

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mediabuntu:

hey guys dose any on know if mythtv web has been update with any new improvements.

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SerajewelKS:

iamlindoro_: nifty

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SerajewelKS:

sorry if i seem noobish

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iamlindoro_:

Since when? Yesterday? .20.2? Since birth?

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iamlindoro_:

SerajewelKS, it's ok, we all start somewhere

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SerajewelKS:

cause i am :) at least to mythtv and generally tv capturing

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SerajewelKS:

FWIW i'm a competent C developer (actually a 10+ language developer) so i like to think i have a clue, but in this field i really don't know much at all

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iamlindoro_:

Nobody can know everything about everything, even though some people enjoy pointing out when someone doesn't

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SerajewelKS:

also, and i have googled this one, i'd like to be able to run mythtv in a resizable window so i can stick it in the corner of my screen and make it always on top

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** iamlindoro_ thinks about all the improvements in mythweb since he was a wee twinkle in his pappy's eye. **

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SerajewelKS:

i figured out how to make it windowed for the menus but when i go to watch something it reverts to fullscreen

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iamlindoro_:

SerajewelKS, Sorry, my can be run in a window but it's non-resiazable

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iamlindoro_:

er myth can

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iamlindoro_:

That's all that "pre-scaling themes" business

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iamlindoro_:

Although I'm told there is some sort of trick you can use with Compiz or Beryl to get close to the same effect, but I don't use either

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SerajewelKS:

ah

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SerajewelKS:

yeah i could do that with compiz

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SerajewelKS:

but i try not to run compiz since it's a RAM blackhole

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SerajewelKS:

i only have it around to show my windows luser friends :)

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KiSak:

ram consumption of compiz-fusion isn't that bad for me

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KiSak:

xgl is a nightmare in comparison

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mediabuntu:

my mythweb looks shit

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mediabuntu:

only mines thou

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** xris really needs to finish the new mythtv website **

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mediabuntu:

im going round the internet letting people know they should secure, mythweb

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mediabuntu:

inurl:/ /mythweb/tv shows a lot of people with insecure mythweb

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xris:

mediabuntu: yeah. LOTS of people...

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xris:

but be nice

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fysa:

too bad they don't have flv streaming ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Well, good thing you didn't share how to find people's insecure sites somewhere that gets logged and googled, then

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mediabuntu:

Im trying to help them

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fysa:

rename one of their channels "YOUR MYTHWEB IS INSECURE"

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fysa:

;)

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xris:

iamlindoro_: not the first time it's been talked about here

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xris:

funny thing is how google finds them

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mediabuntu:

ohh i was just searching for |secure your mythweb mate!| then mabe when they go to the mythweb they would see the massage

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Toast:

I just upgraded from PHP4 to PHP5 and now mythweb doesn't work. Could anyone help me troubleshoot please?

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KiSak:

"Use myth:// URI for Windows" doesn't seem to have any effect at the moment

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xris:

Toast: what version of myth?

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Toast:

0.20.20070821–1 (a build for debian)

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Toast:

It's been chugging along fine, till I installed mediawiki, which changed my PHP install.

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KiSak:

(0.21-pre15447), still using .htaccess

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Toast:

The machine is running debian etch.

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Toast:

When I was googling, lots of sites talk about mythweb.conf, but after a full search, I don't have a file with that name.

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xris:

Toast: it's in svn trunk, and is named something like mythweb.conf.apache by default

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xris:

you can pull it off of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythplugins/mythweb/ though.. it'll work fine with .20

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KiSak:

where should mythweb.conf.apache be put?

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xris:

KiSak: read INSTALL

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KiSak:

ok

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Toast:

I have a file with that name under the /src directory, but how would that help?

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xris:

sort of depends on where your apache config lives.

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Toast:

Surely the configuration file for mythweb couldn't have been deleted due to a PHP version change?

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xris:

Toast: read INSTALL for svn trunk

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xris:

Toast: no.. but I don't know if 0.20 works with php 4

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xris:

er php 5

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xris:

I know there were some issues that I had to fix for php 5 compat, but it was so long ago that I don't remember what version it was for.

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Toast:

It was packaged with PHP 5 as a valid option by the package maintainer

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Toast:

(they could be wrong I suppose

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mediabuntu:

yay someones mythweb has asked for a password :)

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** xris really wishes that people would take his advice on auth setup. **

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xris:

and all because I'm too lazy to integrate auth into mythweb itself.

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KiSak:

that's fine with me

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Toast:

I'm trying removing PHP5 first.

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xris:

KiSak: I'm not going to re-invent auth when apache handles it just fine

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mediabuntu:

yeh works great

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xris:

permissions will eventually happen, but they'll just tie into the apache auth name

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justinh:

jees a lot of those open mythwebs have backends that aren't running. lol

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iamlindoro_:

Better still... leave myth wide open... and force everyone to tunnel SSH in and use iptables to limit connection attempts to one a minute.

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justinh:

funny how so many unsecured mythwebs aren't English

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mediabuntu:

not really

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mediabuntu:

theres just as much english too

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mediabuntu:

its a shame they have slow connections :P

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iamlindoro_:

Ah, at last I can stream my hungarian late-night porno

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mediabuntu:

hee he

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mediabuntu:

justin what you working on at the present time

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justinh:

mediabuntu: you dont want to know

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mediabuntu:

i do

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mediabuntu:

any more nice themes

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justinh:

no more themes for a while

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justinh:

and there'll be a cull before I do any more

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justinh:

bye bye 4:3

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mediabuntu:

i really like the red cinema one

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KiSak:

I like ... G.A.N.T. ... it makes me think happy thoughts

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justinh:

still have ideas to put in new themes though. mythui is going to change a LOT of the way I do things

[23:24:23]

KiSak:

thoughts like "where'd I leave that hammer"

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justinh:

we'll be able to have completely different layouts n stuff

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CCFL_Man2:

running coax along aluminum sifing is a pain

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mediabuntu:

i really like the one i made, but i seem to be the only one >:o

[23:26:21]

justinh:

mediabuntu: not even I like my themes anymore

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KiSak:

hey xris, how can I have a myth:// url and have it be overridden in 0.21?

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mediabuntu:

........the end of 4:3

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justinh:

about time 4:3 died off

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CCFL_Man2:

DW-TV will be phasing out 4:3 soon

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CCFL_Man2:

they will start broadcasting programs in 16:9

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xris:

KiSak: not sure what you mean?

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KiSak:

xris

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iamlindoro_:

And you know what they say... as goeth Deutsche Welle, so goethe... telemundo?

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iamlindoro_:

er Goeth

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: i don't know, i think everyone is following suit

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KiSak:

xris: with mythweb 0.20.2 I had a url that looked more or less like "myth://\\myth\myth\<recording name>"

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CCFL_Man2:

but i have no 16:9 tvs

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iamlindoro_:

I'm pretty sure Deutsche Welle isn't the best weather vane for which way TV is going... but yes, 4:3 is dying... not thanks to DW, though

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xris:

KiSak: yeah. should be a setting for it in .21

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directhex:

how about a "cause 4:3 tvs in house to explode" setting?

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KiSak:

the setting set either way is file:// when I put \\myth\myth\ in the override

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iamlindoro_:

"Oh look, honey, something's wrong with the old RadiationKing! Well, off to get that new Plasma..."

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: i love their programming though, thats the whole reason for the 6ft dish i have

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justinh:

ugh god I've just taken a look in some of my old work directories :(

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xris:

KiSak: there's also some magic in for IP detection, etc.

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KiSak:

xris: also, I needed to find the override entry in the db and change it directly since mythweb sanitizes it

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xris:

myth:// only works for rfc 1918 IP addresses. not sure if there were other checks, too

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jester05:

hey

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jester05:

anyone know the code for an olivia tv?

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xris:

I don't use windows, so it's hard for me to test the myth:// plugin wrapper stuff

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jester05:

or know of a remote i could use w/ my tv (olivia 27") and my myth tv

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KiSak:

I have dsmyth on the windows boxes, which catches the myth:// urls and throws it over to vlc, which sees it as a samba share and pulls it through samba

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KiSak:

but the trick doesn't work unless the url is myth://

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justinh:

gah! no more updating blootube. i dont care if it's my most popular

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mediabuntu:

blootube is nice 2. very soft interface

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mediabuntu:

man if only we could have cover flow like itunes

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justinh:

well we can't and I for one am glad of that

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justinh:

besides it's probably patented

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CCFL_Man2:

should i get an expensive chapparal feedhorn and lnb since a little piece of metal has chipped off the scalar ring of my consumer grade lnbf?

[23:49:47]

mediabuntu:

its beautiful stuff

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justinh:

mediabuntu: mirrors & skews. nothing more

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justinh:

as I thought. patented

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mediabuntu:

really shame.

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justinh:

besides I can't see coverflow being much use if you have thousands of albums

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justinh:

or tens of thousands of non-album tracks

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directhex:

but it's pwetty!

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justinh:

just have to come up with a better paradigm

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directhex:

i want a sensible way to deal with non-movies in mythvideo, that's my nebulous unhelpful feature request

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justinh:

I was gobsmacked when I saw macslow's effort 'lofat'

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mediabuntu:

suppose

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justinh:

lowfat ... http://youtube.com/watch?v=GkrM4ymkiDo

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