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| [00:12:16] | fryfrog: | I wonder if the new VIA Isaiah CPU will be able to do HD |
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| [00:58:18] | Seq: | Is it possible to set up mythtv to use a secondary backend for transcoding and commercial detection? |
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| [01:05:48] | Kazan: | hahaha pansy neighbors |
| [01:05:54] | Kazan: | came to bitch about my computer's base |
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| [01:07:10] | czth_: | ? |
| [01:07:19] | czth_: | base? |
| [01:07:23] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | bass |
| [01:07:27] | GreyFoxx: | it's base ? as in the auio bass? |
| [01:07:30] | J-e-f-f-A-2 is now known as J-e-f-f-A | |
| [01:07:30] | GreyFoxx: | audio even |
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| [01:11:30] | Kazan: | bass |
| [01:11:31] | Kazan: | even |
| [01:11:32] | Kazan: | lol |
| [01:11:35] | Kazan: | you know what i mean |
| [01:11:49] | solexious: | m |
| [01:11:57] | Kazan: | was playing UT3 demo |
| [01:12:05] | Kazan: | and they came and knocked on my door to whine about the bass |
| [01:12:08] | Kazan: | whaaaa |
| [01:12:10] | Kazan: | it's 7pm |
| [01:12:11] | Kazan: | deal with it |
| [01:12:35] | Kazan: | "zomg we're studying" "you leave nasty notes on my roommates car!" [because her roommate is TOTALLY and COMPLETELY incapable of parking in a parking spot without taking up half of the one next to it] |
| [01:12:42] | czth_: | oh heh |
| [01:12:48] | czth_: | apartments |
| [01:12:51] | Kazan: | yup |
| [01:12:58] | czth_: | used to live in those |
| [01:13:09] | czth_: | had noisy people upstairs |
| [01:13:15] | Kazan: | we'ren ot really noisy |
| [01:13:24] | Kazan: | occasionally we watch a movie that has some explosions |
| [01:13:26] | czth_: | cranked Beethoven's 9th one day when they were noisy |
| [01:13:26] | Kazan: | or play a game |
| [01:13:28] | czth_: | they got the picture |
| [01:13:32] | Kazan: | and i have decent soundsystems |
| [01:13:38] | czth_: | aye same |
| [01:13:41] | Kazan: | not my fault my decent sound systems cause some vibration |
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| [01:13:46] | Kazan: | it's what they're supposed to do! |
| [01:13:48] | czth_: | not amazing, but enough to blow the doors off the people upstairs |
| [01:14:01] | Kazan: | they want to bitch about my bass but the people next to us partying every day is not a problem |
| [01:14:11] | czth_: | well, it shouldn't be disrupting people msot of the time.. |
| [01:14:19] | Kazan: | aye it's not |
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| [01:14:33] | czth_: | pros of a house: can be pretty darn noisy, cons: lawn |
| [01:14:44] | Kazan: | i should play something with a lot of explosions |
| [01:14:47] | Kazan: | just to be an arse |
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| [01:15:21] | Kazan: | afk |
| [01:15:24] | czth_: | back when doom 2 was new i had wired up an amp and some borrowed speakers and was playing around hallowe'en with the window open :) |
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| [01:17:58] | Kazan: | now they're being petty |
| [01:18:07] | Kazan: | they intentionally repositioned their car to be parked half way into our spot |
| [01:18:32] | Kazan: | how immature |
| [01:18:33] | wire is now known as wireddd | |
| [01:18:37] | czth_: | time for the molotov cocktails |
| [01:18:40] | Kazan: | lol |
| [01:18:41] | wireddd is now known as wire | |
| [01:18:45] | Kazan: | i can have their arses towed |
| [01:18:48] | czth_: | escalate! |
| [01:18:51] | czth_: | do it |
| [01:19:04] | Kazan: | i'm just going to watch Chronicles of Riddick |
| [01:19:33] | clever: | tape a tack to the button on a shotgun shell |
| [01:19:36] | clever: | and set it under the tire |
| [01:19:39] | Kazan: | lol |
| [01:19:49] | clever: | when they move the thing it goes off into the tire! |
| [01:20:23] | Kazan: | heh |
| [01:20:38] | clever: | if your lucky the shell may not remain |
| [01:20:49] | clever: | and they are left with a hole in the tire and a loud bang |
| [01:20:58] | clever: | and no idea what happened! |
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| [01:53:08] | husam: | how i go about adding new plugin |
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| [02:23:06] | xanderp: | Ok, in fedora, I'm trying to set module parameters in /etc/modprobe.d/lirc to set debug=1 and mask=0x0001 for the lirc_atiusb module, but it is not taking hold. is this not the correct location to set module parameters for fedora? |
| [02:24:24] | xanderp: | i have "alias char-major-61 lirc_atiusb unique=1 debug=1 mask=0x0001" in that lirc file, but when I rebooted the box, the module just loaded without any of those parameters... |
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| [02:35:34] | iamlindoro_: | options go on a second line following the first |
| [02:35:46] | iamlindoro_: | ie "options unique=1 debug=1 mask=0x0001" |
| [02:36:28] | iamlindoro_: | and the first line would be "alias char-major-61 lirc_atiusb" |
| [02:36:57] | xanderp: | hmmm |
| [02:37:16] | xanderp: | in the modules.conf file? |
| [02:37:24] | iamlindoro_: | yes. |
| [02:37:52] | xanderp: | will check it out once the frontend reboots... (i'm trying to get the 2 remotes for my 2 frontends not to conflict...) |
| [02:38:04] | xanderp: | that's what the 'mask' bit is all about |
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| [02:40:39] | xanderp: | isn't there a 'refresh module info' command like modules_update or something to get them to re-read the conf files? |
| [02:41:46] | xanderp: | shutdown -r now (hehe) |
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| [02:46:41] | xanderp: | crappola... i can't for the life of me get these module options to stick.. |
| [02:47:10] | xanderp: | i even tried manually modprobe'ing the device with the options appended |
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| [02:56:37] | xanderp: | ok, I manually stop the lirc_dev and lirc_atiusb modules, then reload the lirc_atiusb module with the parameters and it seems to work as it should, but why wouldn't it read it from modprobe.conf? |
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| [03:01:41] | iamlindoro_: | Did you get the syntax right? Pastebin that section |
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| [03:02:21] | xanderp: | once it reboots i will do so, thanks |
| [03:03:52] | xanderp: | http://pastebin.com/m7c56ea5 |
| [03:05:08] | iamlindoro_: | ah, that's my fault, I think |
| [03:05:13] | iamlindoro_: | options needs the modulename, too |
| [03:05:26] | iamlindoro_: | options lirc_atiusb unique=1 debug=1 mask=0x0001 |
| [03:05:34] | xanderp: | will try that, thanks |
| [03:06:30] | xanderp: | my poor frontend is going to wear out with all these reboots (want to ensure it works correctly on a clean boot up) |
| [03:07:38] | xanderp: | i think an update may have screwed up my LCDproc on this box as well.. but that's just icing on the cake... will worry about that later. |
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| [03:09:53] | xanderp: | yeay!!! thanks! it's working |
| [03:10:48] | iamlindoro_: | np |
| [03:11:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: hey... How ya doing tonight? Guess how much I paid for 4–1/2 hours parking today in Boston? $26! |
| [03:11:57] | iamlindoro_: | Gah, I remember it well... |
| [03:12:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: At least I can expense it... it was a trip to our datacenter... ;-) |
| [03:12:20] | iamlindoro_: | The only thing worse than paying for parking was going to Gov't Center and trying to get a parking pass |
| [03:12:43] | iamlindoro_: | FWIW they make free parking in the city twice as painful as paying for it |
| [03:15:45] | CCFL_Man2: | sprouted coconut centers ftw |
| [03:19:07] | xanderp: | our ISP and hosting center had a major malfuntion today and took us offline for about 5 minutes... |
| [03:19:45] | CCFL_Man2: | our mpls circuit is very reliable |
| [03:20:05] | xanderp: | ours is too (usually) |
| [03:20:45] | xanderp: | they are an upper tier provider, everything is redundant out the wazoo, but this was apparently a 'perfect storm' outage |
| [03:21:47] | iamlindoro_: | A major charity site in New York I was trying to get to was out for much of the day, too... wonder if it's related |
| [03:22:15] | iamlindoro_: | at least, I believe it's hosted somewhere in New York |
| [03:23:00] | xanderp: | i called the noc and heard the startrek battlestation siren playing in the background and lots of people talking very fast... it's nice to see someone else have problems for a change! |
| [03:24:27] | xanderp: | they dropped several customers... must have been a big piece of gear to kill that much. |
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| [03:26:30] | xanderp: | our's is the same noc that hosts monster.com |
| [03:26:30] | iamlindoro: | Heh... some guy on the user's list saying optimize_mythdb.pl is broken |
| [03:26:41] | iamlindoro: | his proof is "sh optimize_mythdb.pl" |
| [03:26:45] | iamlindoro: | oops. |
| [03:26:46] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
| [03:27:21] | mikeones: | hah |
| [03:27:48] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, that happens every time I try to run a perl script with BASH too... MythTV is broken! |
| [03:28:43] | xanderp: | he should try sh ./optimize_mythdb.pl that would DEFINITELY work better!!! |
| [03:28:53] | xanderp: | hehe |
| [03:28:58] | iamlindoro: | That's what I mentioned. |
| [03:29:07] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: i contacted motorola about more indepth documentation and the default login for telnet, the tech will only help me if i talk to him on the phone |
| [03:29:12] | xanderp: | don't forget the leading ./ it will mess you up every time ;) |
| [03:29:19] | CCFL_Man2: | for my satellite receiver |
| [03:29:32] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: so call the good man |
| [03:29:45] | xanderp: | ahh the beauty of free long distance... :) |
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| [03:30:11] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: i just don't understand why he just can't answer my question over e-mail |
| [03:30:37] | xanderp: | remember how much it used to suck calling companies and sitting on long distance listening to hold music for an hour? (at least now we don't have to pay ma bell for the priv) |
| [03:30:40] | CCFL_Man2: | i bet he wants to ask me what service provider i'm with |
| [03:31:09] | iamlindoro: | Entirely possible... we used to pay a mint for Moto tech support |
| [03:31:45] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: think they want to charge me? |
| [03:31:49] | xanderp: | off to the basement to check on the other frontend... back in a few... |
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| [03:32:16] | iamlindoro: | They might, I've never heard a cable co that would support for free |
| [03:32:44] | iamlindoro: | SA/Moto... heck, even Comcast charged us to support us supporting THEM |
| [03:32:53] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: all i want is more indepth documentation so i don't need support |
| [03:33:10] | CCFL_Man2: | fucking cumschat |
| [03:34:39] | CCFL_Man2: | and i want firmware updates too :P |
| [03:34:52] | CCFL_Man2: | i know i'm asking a lot |
| [03:34:58] | iamlindoro: | Well *that* they probably will charge you for |
| [03:35:30] | CCFL_Man2: | though i might be able to get it free if i point my dish to hbo's downlink |
| [03:36:02] | CCFL_Man2: | like with asfarts downlink and sci atl firmware |
| [03:36:35] | CCFL_Man2: | afrts i mean :P |
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| [03:41:16] | CCFL_Man2: | shame how some companies charge so much for support |
| [03:41:35] | CCFL_Man2: | even a simple question is like pulling teeth |
| [03:42:14] | CCFL_Man2: | support for consumer stuff... i don't even bother |
| [03:42:50] | CCFL_Man2: | most of the time i don't need it, and if i do, the internets gives me better answers |
| [03:44:04] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: i just want to monitor and configure the ird over a LAN, that is all |
| [03:44:35] | CCFL_Man2: | older irds have a serial port i can just connect to my terminal server |
| [03:46:04] | Technobabble: | which winTV version is the best for a new user, the 150? |
| [03:48:13] | iamlindoro: | Technobabble: Yes. |
| [03:48:46] | Technobabble: | which one is the card with the dual inputs? |
| [03:48:52] | iamlindoro: | pvr-500 |
| [03:49:08] | Technobabble: | do you need 2 boxes for that one? |
| [03:49:11] | iamlindoro: | if you are brand new and want an easy-to-setup remote as well, make sure to get the MCE edition of either |
| [03:49:32] | iamlindoro: | Technobabble: Assuming you want all your channels available on both of them, yes. |
| [03:49:55] | Technobabble: | you actually bring up a good point, this thing is going to run inside a closet. |
| [03:50:10] | Technobabble: | does myth have a way to change the TV channel from the frontside? |
| [03:50:15] | Technobabble: | frontend, rather |
| [03:50:43] | iamlindoro: | sure, it just signals the backend to change channels, and if you're controlling boxes, you use ir blasters |
| [03:52:01] | Technobabble: | so the card has an IR blaster that points at the cable box? |
| [03:52:15] | Technobabble: | or does it communcate in some other way, or are there multiple options? |
| [03:52:50] | iamlindoro: | With analog, basically only one option... IR Blasters. You get one with the MCE edition. |
| [03:54:28] | Technobabble: | i have a hauppauge card here that looks like myth doesn't read. it says NTSC 44981 LF rev E1B2 |
| [03:54:45] | Technobabble: | isn't NTSC the standard for the UK? did i find a UK card? |
| [03:54:52] | iamlindoro: | Nope, NTSC is US |
| [03:54:56] | Technobabble: | (found it in a box of old computer cards) |
| [03:55:02] | iamlindoro: | PAL is Europe, not to mention most of the rest of the world |
| [03:55:15] | Technobabble: | so is this one compatable? |
| [03:55:43] | Technobabble: | i've been reading about the 150/250/350/500's |
| [03:55:51] | iamlindoro: | You need to tell me which card it is first... haven't given me enough to go by |
| [03:55:52] | Technobabble: | but this one doesn't appear to be any of that |
| [03:56:00] | iamlindoro: | Probably a much older framegrabber card |
| [03:56:02] | Technobabble: | hold on, let me go pull it out of the system |
| [03:56:14] | iamlindoro: | and myth doesn't support cards directly, it relies on V4L for card support |
| [03:56:32] | iamlindoro: | so figure out what card you have and look it up at linuxtv.org in the V4L wiki |
| [03:57:54] | Technobabble: | says 2006 on it... |
| [03:58:33] | Technobabble: | k, let me see |
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| [03:58:56] | iamlindoro: | sounds like a wintv go to me... cheapy framegrabber |
| [03:59:03] | iamlindoro: | rather, WinTV-Go |
| [03:59:19] | Technobabble: | yeah, i think you're right |
| [03:59:42] | iamlindoro: | http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV_Go |
| [03:59:43] | Technobabble: | i just typed this whole thing into google and that's the first result i got |
| [04:00:13] | Technobabble: | www.linuxtv.org is timing out for me, for some reason |
| [04:00:14] | iamlindoro: | It's likely supported, but so old that most modern linux doesn't contain a kernel module for it... you'd need to compile your own kernel, probably |
| [04:00:34] | Technobabble: | i'd rather spend the 54 bucks on amazon and pick up the 150 |
| [04:00:41] | Technobabble: | MCE, right? |
| [04:00:46] | iamlindoro: | Well, $54 won't be an MCE w/ remote, probably |
| [04:01:35] | Technobabble: | 93 with the remote |
| [04:01:38] | iamlindoro: | This is what you want: http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-150 . . . 4&sr=8-1 |
| [04:01:47] | Technobabble: | but i'm not exactly sure if i'm going to use the remote unless it remotes to my frontend |
| [04:02:08] | Technobabble: | yup, that's the one. |
| [04:02:25] | iamlindoro: | You can use that remote and buy a few serial blasters, they're cheap |
| [04:02:39] | iamlindoro: | remote on the frontend, serial IR blasters on the backend |
| [04:03:04] | Technobabble: | can you buy the remote seperately? |
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| [04:03:12] | iamlindoro: | Probably on ebay |
| [04:03:41] | Technobabble: | is it worth the extra 40ish? |
| [04:03:58] | iamlindoro: | It is to me, I wouldn't run myth without a remote, and that's one of the best and easiest to set up. |
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| [04:14:40] | Technobabble: | iamlindoro, what's the difference bettwen the regular an MCE? |
| [04:15:01] | iamlindoro: | RCA Audio inputs rather than minijack for better audio, MCE remote. |
| [04:16:23] | Technobabble: | amazon has one with remote but not MCE for 75 |
| [04:16:34] | iamlindoro: | It's a different remote |
| [04:16:38] | iamlindoro: | and non-usb |
| [04:16:45] | iamlindoro: | so it needs to be attached to the card itself |
| [04:16:56] | iamlindoro: | the MCE is USB and can be put anywhere (like your frontend) |
| [04:16:56] | Technobabble: | okay, i'll take your advice and spend the extra |
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| [04:41:51] | tjcarter: | 120mm fan hanging off your mobo/cpu.. |
| [04:42:02] | tjcarter: | Madness. |
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| [05:15:36] | CCFL_Man2: | tjcarter: you want to talk about madness, $300 to upgrade my mac mini to a core 2 duo merom 2GHz |
| [05:20:19] | Yggdr4sil: | can somone tell me if theres a way to extend the message that comes on while watching live tv and asks about wheather you want to watch tv or record. its thirty seconds but id like to make it like 5 minutes |
| [05:23:36] | CCFL_Man2: | damn peanuts |
| [05:27:53] | CCFL_Man2: | my avermedia A180 cards came today |
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| [05:28:02] | CCFL_Man2: | both that i ordered |
| [05:30:24] | Captain_Murdoch: | Yggdr4sil: that is controlled by the scheduler. right now, it sets up pending recordings 30 seconds before they start and that triggers the frontend to popup that box. you could try changing the 30 to 300 in programs/mythbackend/scheduler.cpp, but I can't say for sure 100% that it will work correctly. |
| [05:30:53] | Yggdr4sil: | hmm |
| [05:30:59] | Yggdr4sil: | manually change the src ? |
| [05:31:20] | Yggdr4sil: | its just like, its almost as if myth hates when you want to just watch some dam tv |
| [05:31:25] | Yggdr4sil: | always recording |
| [05:31:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's that the 'R' is for in PVR/DVR. :) |
| [05:32:07] | Yggdr4sil: | haha |
| [05:32:19] | Yggdr4sil: | well what do you do if |
| [05:32:27] | Yggdr4sil: | its recording and you want to watch tv |
| [05:32:36] | Captain_Murdoch: | you buy another tuner |
| [05:32:39] | fryfrog: | Yggdr4sil: in a few days or weeks... you won't watch tv anymore |
| [05:32:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | or tell it to stop recording. |
| [05:32:52] | Yggdr4sil: | how do you tell it that ? |
| [05:32:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | only reason I ever watch LiveTV is to test something. |
| [05:33:01] | Yggdr4sil: | fryfrog its been months and i still care |
| [05:33:13] | fryfrog: | if you fire up "watchtv" and it is recording, doesn't it just ask you if you want to stop? |
| [05:33:13] | Yggdr4sil: | well sometimes my dad comes by |
| [05:33:20] | fryfrog: | Yggdr4sil: for live type stuff? |
| [05:33:25] | Yggdr4sil: | yea |
| [05:33:28] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [05:33:34] | fryfrog: | I could see why you'd want to watch that :) |
| [05:33:39] | Yggdr4sil: | no it doesnt ask it starts at the begining of th record |
| [05:33:40] | fryfrog: | maybe ;P |
| [05:33:48] | fryfrog: | huh? |
| [05:34:07] | Yggdr4sil: | im just saying sometimes my dad comes by and hes like whats the score of a game thats on |
| [05:34:10] | Yggdr4sil: | im like fuck i dont knw |
| [05:34:13] | Yggdr4sil: | dam tv wont change |
| [05:34:17] | fryfrog: | ahh! |
| [05:34:18] | CCFL_Man2: | what the F? |
| [05:34:19] | CCFL_Man2: | Do I need an analog TV Tuner to receive ATSC TV signal on Windows Vista Media Center? Answer |
| [05:34:21] | fryfrog: | i see what you mean |
| [05:34:23] | CCFL_Man2: | No, Windows Vista Media Center does not require analog TV Tuner to receive ATSC TV signal. However, it is a requirement for Windows XP Media Center 2005. |
| [05:34:32] | fryfrog: | Yggdr4sil: time to invest in a second tuner then? |
| [05:34:45] | Yggdr4sil: | yea i was kinda of thinking that |
| [05:34:48] | Yggdr4sil: | and another diseq |
| [05:34:49] | CCFL_Man2: | farkin useless winders media center |
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| [05:34:58] | CCFL_Man2: | completely fuckin useless |
| [05:35:10] | Yggdr4sil: | but then i thought that it might jsut be recording on both of them |
| [05:35:31] | fryfrog: | depends on how much stuff you have "conflicting" now, that should be easy to see. |
| [05:35:35] | xanderp: | anybody using an ATI card for their frontend online tonight? |
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| [05:35:41] | fryfrog: | if you have very few conflicts, then you'll have 1 tuner free a lot |
| [05:35:46] | Yggdr4sil: | yea |
| [05:35:49] | Yggdr4sil: | i recorda lot |
| [05:36:06] | fryfrog: | if not, you can just cancel what is recording that you care least about |
| [05:36:13] | Yggdr4sil: | yea |
| [05:36:14] | xanderp: | i've got 5 analog tuners and 2 HD... :) |
| [05:36:17] | fryfrog: | the "green" ones are what it is currently recording, i think? |
| [05:36:21] | fryfrog: | jesus :p |
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| [05:36:53] | fryfrog: | I had 4x PVR250s at one time, but now I'm okay with 2x SD and 1x HD |
| [05:36:53] | Yggdr4sil: | i have four dishes hooked up to one card |
| [05:36:53] | Yggdr4sil: | so it records quitea bit |
| [05:37:02] | xanderp: | actually, 3 analogs that are separate, and 2 that are combo's with the HD cards. |
| [05:37:17] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [05:37:28] | xanderp: | more than plenty for us |
| [05:37:30] | fryfrog: | xanderp: so 2 of them are HD *or* SD? it can't do both at once, right? |
| [05:37:36] | Yggdr4sil: | can i borrow one ? |
| [05:37:36] | xanderp: | yup |
| [05:37:40] | xanderp: | nope |
| [05:37:42] | xanderp: | :) |
| [05:37:45] | fryfrog: | wow, 4 dishes on one card? |
| [05:37:53] | fryfrog: | could you put 2 dishes on one and 2 on the other? |
| [05:37:54] | Yggdr4sil: | aye |
| [05:37:59] | Yggdr4sil: | uh |
| [05:38:08] | Yggdr4sil: | i wwould put four on one and four on the other |
| [05:38:14] | fryfrog: | or would you just use a ... diseq thing to put the same 4 on the new one? |
| [05:38:14] | Yggdr4sil: | if i did it |
| [05:38:15] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm tempted to put in the one avermedia card in my main pc and try it out |
| [05:38:15] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [05:38:19] | xanderp: | trying to figure out why this ATI card looks fine until i put video on it and then the color/hue is all farked up... |
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| [05:38:25] | Yggdr4sil: | they both have dual outputs |
| [05:38:47] | Yggdr4sil: | its a pretty hybrid setup right now |
| [05:38:49] | Yggdr4sil: | its 3 dishes |
| [05:38:52] | Yggdr4sil: | one with dual lnbs |
| [05:38:52] | xanderp: | (proprietary driver) if i use opensource the color is fine, but the aspect ratio is screwed |
| [05:38:57] | Yggdr4sil: | anyway ok bbl |
| [05:39:00] | Yggdr4sil: | thanks |
| [05:39:05] | fryfrog: | xanderp: time to nvidia? :) |
| [05:40:31] | xanderp: | i've got lots of nvidia cards on other machines, but this one is one of those new mobo's with the 'not agp' slots for gamers... the guy that I bought his rig off of bought this card and it was in the 'grab bag' when I bought everything. too expensive to buy yet another card. (wife will kill me) |
| [05:40:33] | Yggdr4sil: | nvidia rocks |
| [05:40:50] | fryfrog: | you mean pci-e? |
| [05:40:50] | Yggdr4sil: | bbl |
| [05:40:55] | xanderp: | yup |
| [05:41:04] | xanderp: | with that extra slot next to it aye? |
| [05:41:22] | fryfrog: | not sure what you mean by "extra slot next to it"... |
| [05:41:29] | fryfrog: | but agp and pci-e look very different. |
| [05:41:36] | fryfrog: | maybe you could find someone to trade with? :) |
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| [05:41:50] | xanderp: | there's a little tiny pci looking slot (only about an inch or so long) right in parallel with the pci-e slot. |
| [05:42:37] | fryfrog: | in line (so one card would plug into both?) or above/below it, like 2 cards could plug in next to eachother? |
| [05:43:02] | xanderp: | I would use the onboard nv card but it's not DVI and I need DVI to go to the projector. |
| [05:43:18] | xanderp: | next to each other (side by side) |
| [05:43:22] | fryfrog: | damn, that sucks :/ |
| [05:43:46] | fryfrog: | xanderp: depending on how you are looking at a motherboard, that could mean both of the ways i said above :/ |
| [05:43:51] | fryfrog: | is it like – ------ |
| [05:44:02] | fryfrog: | or |
| [05:44:06] | fryfrog: | ---- |
| [05:44:07] | fryfrog: | - |
| [05:44:08] | xanderp: | like this || not this ----- ---- |
| [05:44:19] | fryfrog: | ah, kk |
| [05:44:29] | fryfrog: | sounds like a pci-e 1x and pci-e 16x/8x slot |
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| [05:50:15] | xanderp: | i need to research gettting this ati card working, or try to get some money out of it for an nvidia card.... I have a perfect Quadro4 sitting here that I can't use because it's AGP... :( |
| [05:56:12] | Tanthrix: | Only $35 for a new nvidia card. Don't waste your time with ATI. |
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| [05:58:21] | xanderp: | wonder if any nvidia hdmi cards can do audio on the hdmi in linux. |
| [05:58:45] | Tanthrix: | I believe they can. It's just a pass through from the sound card I think |
| [05:59:03] | Tanthrix: | Not for $35 though ;) |
| [05:59:40] | xanderp: | ? you hook the SC to the NV inside the mobo? or it's done in the mobo? |
| [06:00:04] | xanderp: | inside the case is what i meant to say |
| [06:01:05] | Tanthrix: | I believe so. |
| [06:01:39] | xanderp: | kewl |
| [06:02:31] | Tanthrix: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . k+Video+Card |
| [06:02:54] | Tanthrix: | Little cable that runs from the video card to the internal SPDIF output of your sound card, assuming you have it |
| [06:03:37] | Tanthrix: | Not really worth the extra money for an HDMI card though – it's double the price. Much cheaper to just geta hdmi>dvi adapter cable, then run the audio straight out from the sound card. |
| [06:04:00] | Tanthrix: | Only problem is that most TVs can't take a separate digital input from the hdmi, usually only analog RCA, so you're limited to that or piping the digital to your reciever |
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| [06:04:41] | xanderp: | gotcha... so i hook the little wire to my spdif internally, then that to the video card, and the hdmi cable then carries both? |
| [06:04:56] | Tanthrix: | Aye. |
| [06:05:30] | xanderp: | very nice... i do have the spdif internal, and my stereo takes the video and audio from the hdmi and separates them to the video out and amplifier... |
| [06:05:55] | Tanthrix: | Can it take hdmi video + coax audio? |
| [06:06:22] | Tanthrix: | If so, then it's a waste of money to get an HDMI card. |
| [06:06:35] | xanderp: | not sure... i have put my blueray player's hdmi output into it and that's a single cable for audio and video. |
| [06:06:59] | xanderp: | it does support toslink and i think coax |
| [06:07:38] | xanderp: | just have to configure the input-audio/video to output-audio/video mappings in the menus. |
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| [07:18:46] | CCFL_Man2: | the avermedia A180 seems to work good in my winders server 2003 system |
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| [07:36:06] | ** tjcarter is pondering HDHomeRun if any ATSC/QAM thingy ** | |
| [07:36:21] | tjcarter: | it seems to be a useful solution =) |
| [07:38:51] | Tanthrix: | Wait for the Hauppuage card! |
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| [07:43:57] | tjcarter: | Tanthrix: It's a single input |
| [07:44:18] | Tanthrix: | So get two of them. They are USB after all ;) |
| [07:44:22] | tjcarter: | Tanthrix: if it were dual input for $250, I'd never even look at the HDHomeRun ;) |
| [07:44:26] | tjcarter: | $500? |
| [07:44:32] | Tanthrix: | Hehe, I know, it is steep. |
| [07:44:34] | tjcarter: | You must be joking ;) |
| [07:45:20] | Tanthrix: | But with one you can get 100 percent of your channels, including your premium HD stuff which is becoming increasinly prevalent. With the other, you get about 7 OTA channels reliably. |
| [07:47:04] | Tanthrix: | I am so looking forward to that card it's not even funny. I've had firewire in the past, but it's an easy come easy go proposition; having a rock solid setup is going to be great. |
| [07:47:43] | Tanthrix: | My A180 is ok, but I'd really like to be able to get all my other HD channels. Comcast should be adding DiscoveryHD and TLCHD soon, from what I hear. |
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| [08:23:00] | opentrinity: | i don't understand one thing....i set lircd.conf with irrecord and all buttons are recognize...but how i can associate in mythtv (i copy the file in .mythtv with the name lircrc.....but buttons like PLAY , OK doesn't work.... |
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| [08:31:12] | directhex: | lircrc and lircd.conf have different formats |
| [08:32:07] | justinh: | slightly! |
| [08:32:41] | directhex: | just a smidge |
| [08:33:29] | CaptObviousman: | growr |
| [08:33:40] | CaptObviousman: | mythtv-setup is not picking up my KWorld 115 properly |
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| [08:34:11] | CaptObviousman: | when I specify DVB DTV capture card it doesn't see it. Or something, I'm not certain how to explain it |
| [08:34:38] | opentrinity: | :-/ |
| [08:35:00] | CaptObviousman: | it picks out information just fine for every other card type, just not the one I really want =( |
| [08:35:54] | justinh: | CaptObviousman: mythtv doesn't 'pick up' capture cards as such. it's either there as the kind of device you pick or not |
| [08:36:10] | justinh: | and if it's not, that's not mythtv's problem |
| [08:36:20] | opentrinity: | directhex in mythtv.org i can't fin documentation about it... |
| [08:40:15] | justinh: | opentrinity: google found this example lircrc file: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/lircrc-haupgrey-g3.txt |
| [08:41:33] | justinh: | opentrinity: all button entries are between a 'begin' and an 'end' line. button = foo means 'use the button called 'foo' defined in lircd.conf'. config = bar means 'when the 'foo' button is pressed, send the keypress 'bar' to the application' |
| [08:41:45] | justinh: | funny that this is all in the lirc documentation |
| [08:42:45] | justinh: | obviously the mythtv wiki needs a good example page written to explain this too |
| [08:42:45] | opentrinity: | ....damn! :-/ i have to learn to look man before ask :-/ |
| [08:43:22] | opentrinity: | when i make it work i'll do this page ok? |
| [08:43:28] | ** justinh wonders how many people will cross a road without looking today ** | |
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| [08:46:13] | justinh: | opentrinity: sure but make sure it's right :) try not to write it in the 'first person' |
| [08:46:15] | tjcarter: | justinh: me ;) |
| [08:46:26] | tjcarter: | justinh: I always cross streets without looking. |
| [08:46:30] | justinh: | tjcarter: good luck with that |
| [08:46:42] | tjcarter: | justinh: I carry a long white cane. |
| [08:46:56] | tjcarter: | Use it, too. |
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| [08:55:19] | justinh: | yay Fearne Cotton is fecking off to the US :) |
| [08:57:12] | ** justinh fecks off to work ** | |
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| [09:14:02] | Neeesat: | Hello to all |
| [09:14:25] | Neeesat: | Is anyone using mplayer to play xvid videos in myth? |
| [09:16:08] | Neeesat: | I can run mplayer outside myth and can play xvid videos with no problem but it refuses to play them in myth |
| [09:16:36] | Floppe: | works great for me |
| [09:17:04] | Neeesat: | any special setting? |
| [09:17:27] | Floppe: | no |
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| [09:18:20] | Neeesat: | did you compile mplayer your self? or apt-get install it? |
| [09:18:44] | Floppe: | myself |
| [09:19:04] | Neeesat: | from svn? |
| [09:21:09] | Floppe: | jepp.. 3 days old now, cause some changeset after that have broken gentoos ebuilds |
| [09:21:46] | opentrinity: | justinh: i have configured properly lircd (tested with irw) and write as u tell me lircrc ....then i copy it in HOME/.mythtv with name .lircrc .... |
| [09:21:55] | opentrinity: | but doesn't work |
| [09:22:05] | Floppe: | home/mythtv/.lircrc |
| [09:22:14] | opentrinity: | only up down ...1....9 |
| [09:22:21] | opentrinity: | Floppe: yes... |
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| [09:22:44] | opentrinity: | Floppe in home i have only .mythtv |
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| [09:23:31] | Merlin83b: | opentrinity: I've had symptoms like that when I've used the wrong input device – try changing it |
| [09:23:54] | opentrinity: | ? |
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| [09:24:02] | Merlin83b: | eg. /dev/input/event1 instead of /dev/input/event0 |
| [09:24:34] | opentrinity: | Merlin83b: in mythtv setting? |
| [09:25:01] | Merlin83b: | In your lirc hardware.conf |
| [09:25:19] | Merlin83b: | No promises, but it worked for me. |
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| [09:27:34] | directhex: | never use /dev/input/event* – you can never be sure what is what on a given boot. use /dev/input/by-* convenience wrappers which are persistent |
| [09:29:17] | opentrinity: | ok directhex |
| [09:30:00] | opentrinity: | directhex i copy /dev/input/by-* instead of .../event ? |
| [09:30:42] | directhex: | find an appropriate persistent named entry to use – e.g. /dev/input/by-id/usb-Logitech_USB-PS.2_Optical_Mouse-event-mouse instead of /dev/input/event3 |
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| [09:38:15] | opentrinity: | nothing |
| [09:38:39] | opentrinity: | only up down ...etc but OK REC ...no :-/ |
| [09:39:58] | opentrinity: | ok ---> for return |
| [09:41:47] | Merlin83b: | directhexSounds good but /dev/input/by-* doesn't exist on my system :( |
| [09:42:30] | Merlin83b: | I'll stick to it getting confused on some reboots until I update hopefully in a week or two. |
| [09:42:38] | justinh: | Neeesat: and the command to play videos in mythvideo is set to ....? |
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| [09:47:16] | justinh: | http://www.pastebin.ca/871874 |
| [09:49:22] | opentrinity: | justinh: do u know why with irw all button are ok but when i use mythtv doesn't work? |
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| [10:07:42] | jduggan: | opentrinity: your lircrc is broken probably |
| [10:07:46] | jduggan: | yes, my name is justinh |
| [10:07:47] | jduggan: | :P |
| [10:07:51] | opentrinity: | now i see that irw work only if immediatly before i give sudo lircd -H dev/input -d /dev/input/event3 |
| [10:08:37] | opentrinity: | jduggan: broken? |
| [10:08:54] | jduggan: | not right? |
| [10:08:56] | jduggan: | not working? |
| [10:09:06] | jduggan: | is myth compiled with lirc support? |
| [10:09:09] | jduggan: | you got perms on the device? |
| [10:09:53] | opentrinity: | is myth compiled with lirc support? -----> i think yes ...because up down... works |
| [10:10:03] | jduggan: | right |
| [10:10:07] | jduggan: | so it does work in mythtv |
| [10:10:17] | opentrinity: | only some buttons |
| [10:10:26] | jduggan: | then you need to configure your lircrc |
| [10:10:39] | jduggan: | check the wiki, or google, many examples |
| [10:10:46] | jduggan: | what remote are you using? |
| [10:10:57] | opentrinity: | terratec hybrid xs fm remote |
| [10:11:10] | justinh: | the "button = foo" line has to match the button name in lircd.conf _exactly_ |
| [10:11:19] | justinh: | same case too |
| [10:11:23] | opentrinity: | yes |
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| [10:13:38] | opentrinity: | http://pastebin.ca/871881 |
| [10:14:38] | justinh: | I posted link that as an _example_ so you could work out the format of the lircrc file |
| [10:15:03] | opentrinity: | justinh: i follow that |
| [10:16:44] | opentrinity: | i pasted my lircrc |
| [10:17:49] | justinh: | I saw that. without seeing the lircd.conf file though... |
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| [10:19:08] | opentrinity: | http://pastebin.ca/871883 |
| [10:29:57] | opentrinity: | where is the error? |
| [10:31:58] | opentrinity: | i copy the file in a wrong place? ...up down buttons work even before to make lircrc file ... |
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| [10:39:08] | opentrinity: | (11:15:43) opentrinity: justinh: http://pastebin.ca/871883 |
| [10:39:08] | opentrinity: | (11:26:32) opentrinity: where is the error? |
| [10:39:08] | opentrinity: | (11:28:32) opentrinity: i copy the file in a wrong place? ...up down buttons work even before to make lircrc file ... |
| [10:39:14] | justinh: | opentrinity: the config = foo parts of the lircrc file refer to KEYS, not some other thing. |
| [10:39:30] | justinh: | so your config = OK line is meaningless |
| [10:39:40] | justinh: | config = PLAY is meaningless |
| [10:39:47] | opentrinity: | ? |
| [10:39:49] | justinh: | config = STOP is meaningless |
| [10:40:03] | opentrinity: | u say to refer it to lircd.conf |
| [10:40:08] | justinh: | instead of OK, PLAY, STOP etc put the KEY name |
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| [10:40:26] | justinh: | no the button = foo refers to the button name in lircd.conf |
| [10:40:45] | opentrinity: | key name is Ox160 ? |
| [10:40:49] | justinh: | NO |
| [10:41:12] | justinh: | the only thing lircd.conf has in common with lircrc files is the name of the _button_ |
| [10:41:36] | opentrinity: | infact..... from my lircd.conf : |
| [10:41:39] | opentrinity: | PLAYÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0x00CF |
| [10:42:06] | opentrinity: | so I set in lircrc :config = PLAY |
| [10:42:19] | justinh: | eg a button in lircd.conf might be called PLAY. if you want mythtv to play (from the P key) when you press the PLAY button on your remote the lircrc file button name is PLAY and the config = p |
| [10:42:42] | justinh: | button = NAME OF THE BUTTON IN LIRCD.CONF |
| [10:42:48] | opentrinity: | OMG |
| [10:42:53] | justinh: | config = NAME OF THE KEY in mythtv |
| [10:42:55] | opentrinity: | autolart |
| [10:45:39] | justinh: | and all your button names in your lircd.conf file are in CAPS. button names in your lircrc file must also be IN CAPS |
| [10:46:25] | jduggan: | wonder if anyones packages mythappearance into mythbuntu |
| [10:46:29] | jduggan: | packaged* |
| [10:46:37] | jduggan: | trunk builds |
| [10:48:04] | justinh: | jduggan: Daviey would know |
| [10:51:18] | justinh: | and fwiw, still sometimes seeing 'is mythtv built with lirc support' being asked. don't remember ever seeing somebody who didn't have lirc enabled in mythtv :P |
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| [10:53:31] | jduggan: | its still a compile time option which somebody could have missed though, no? |
| [10:56:39] | opentrinity: | :-/ |
| [10:57:14] | opentrinity: | http://pastebin.ca/871900 |
| [10:57:38] | opentrinity: | http://pastebin.ca/871883 --->lircd.conf |
| [10:58:11] | opentrinity: | now i'm frustrated justinh |
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| [11:14:07] | opentrinity: | justinh: do u have seen my conf files? |
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| [11:28:07] | at0m|c: | w00t, new pvr150 just arrived in the mail :) |
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| [11:40:58] | opentrinity: | bbl |
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| [11:48:21] | opentrinity: | an other thing...mythtv seems not recognize ir commands infact if i press MUTE button it works but not in mythtv but in my system (as it work when mythtv is off) ...it could be important? |
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| [12:07:17] | justinh: | opentrinity: you do know that mythfrontend only reads lircrc when it starts up, right? any changes you make after mythfrontend is started will not work until you restart mythfrontend |
| [12:07:39] | opentrinity: | ... yes |
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| [12:08:01] | opentrinity: | i restart mythbackend to be sure :-/ |
| [12:08:51] | opentrinity: | justinh: the strange thing is that only if i give sudo lircd -H dev/input -d /dev/input/event3 |
| [12:08:56] | opentrinity: | irw works |
| [12:09:20] | opentrinity: | if i give /etc/init.d/lirc restart irw doesn't work ... |
| [12:09:28] | opentrinity: | and i can't solve this |
| [12:10:31] | justinh: | so seems like your lirc hardware.conf or the init script needs to be looked at |
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| [12:12:17] | opentrinity: | justinh: http://pastebin.ca/871948 |
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| [12:19:38] | opentrinity: | justinh: is wiki is written that in suse i have to write /etc/sysconfig/lirc ......that i haven't ....it correspond to my hardware.conf? |
| [12:19:46] | opentrinity: | i have debian |
| [12:19:54] | justinh: | ffs. we'd better stop using mythtv guys! it violates this patent originated by a newscorp owned company: http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC& . . . 9662&F=0 |
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| [12:21:10] | quicksilver: | justinh: I would make an intelligent response, but unfortunately completing sentence would violate patent EP05987123... |
| [12:22:19] | justinh: | quick! somebody patent a menu with a cursor used to highlight items in the menu for selection ! |
| [12:22:38] | opentrinity: | lol |
| [12:25:05] | quicksilver: | I would imagien there are more than 100 patents on menus |
| [12:25:09] | justinh: | how is this allowed? I mean come on.. as abstract an idea as that?! |
| [12:25:09] | quicksilver: | maybe even more than 1000 |
| [12:25:21] | quicksilver: | the patent system is so absurdly broken I can't even imagine how to fix it |
| [12:25:27] | quicksilver: | it's beyond ridiculous |
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| [12:28:36] | at0m|c: | hi, does mythtv require a video source per tuner card? just added a second pvr-x50, not sure how to go about.. |
| [12:30:16] | justinh: | you can bind more than one tuner to a 'video source' (or sanely, source of EPG data). so long as all the tuners bound to one such thing have access to the same channels etc... |
| [12:30:41] | at0m|c: | yes, they receive same analog cable. the backend now has a pvr150 and a pvr350... |
| [12:31:47] | opentrinity: | directhex , justinh do u have some suggestions? |
| [12:34:38] | at0m|c: | cheers justinh |
| [12:35:07] | opentrinity: | http://pastebin.ca/871966 |
| [12:35:27] | DGnome: | Err, can someone tell me how the input groups work? Having a bit of a problem with them :) |
| [12:35:47] | Floppe: | :) |
| [12:35:56] | justinh: | DGnome: I might be able to tell you tomorrow |
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| [12:36:09] | opentrinity: | http://pastebin.ca/871969 |
| [12:37:00] | DGnome: | justinh: great :) |
| [12:37:27] | DGnome: | hope someone documented input groups in the wiki |
| [12:37:34] | justinh: | nobody has yet |
| [12:38:31] | Floppe: | they are for dvb-s or am I far out in space? |
| [12:39:54] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Special: . . . ps&go=Go |
| [12:39:58] | justinh: | computer says "no" |
| [12:40:19] | DGnome: | same result with my searching skills |
| [12:40:33] | ** justinh goes out ** | |
| [12:41:04] | ** DGnome fiddles some more with the input shizzles ** | |
| [12:41:46] | opentrinity: | how i can verify if myttv is compiled with lirc enable? |
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| [12:43:28] | opentrinity: | i installed it from svn |
| [12:43:57] | Floppe: | mythbackend --version |
| [12:46:02] | opentrinity: | linux release using_oss using_alsa using_arts using_jack using_backend using_dbox2 using_directfb using_dvb using_frontend using_hdhomerun using_iptv using_ivtv using_joystick_menu using_opengl_vsync using_opengl_video using_v4l using_x11 using_xrandr using_xv using_xvmc using_xvmcw using_xvmc_vld using_bindings_perl using_opengl using_live |
| [12:46:04] | opentrinity: | no?? |
| [12:46:30] | Floppe: | using_lirc is missing |
| [12:46:48] | opentrinity: | how i can recompile it with irc? |
| [12:46:55] | opentrinity: | lirc* |
| [12:47:02] | mdew-home: | lol irc |
| [12:47:07] | opentrinity: | :-/ |
| [12:47:29] | opentrinity: | mdew-home: 4 hours to set up remote |
| [12:48:28] | mdew-home: | i just use ati-remote kernel module and skip the lirc crap |
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| [12:56:59] | opentrinity: | ./configure --previous --enable-lirc |
| [12:57:18] | opentrinity: | than make and make install |
| [12:57:39] | opentrinity: | ...but mythbackend --version gives the same output |
| [13:06:06] | at0m|c: | wow, setting up a 2nd pvr-x50 went ez! inserted the card, tested and working both simultaneously in 10mins :)) |
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| [13:16:21] | opentrinity: | irw problem solved (was hardwere.conf error) but mythtv and remote doesn't works still |
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| [13:20:53] | Floppe: | well.. is it possible to mix --previuos and other params? |
| [13:21:22] | opentrinity: | # Input Support |
| [13:21:22] | opentrinity: | Joystick menu yes |
| [13:21:22] | opentrinity: | lirc support no |
| [13:21:22] | opentrinity: | Apple Remote no |
| [13:21:59] | opentrinity: | ?? what it means ??? (i check when i give ./configure |
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| [13:22:37] | opentrinity: | svn version of mythtv doesn't support lirc? |
| [13:22:45] | Floppe: | it does |
| [13:22:57] | opentrinity: | why i have no? |
| [13:23:13] | directhex|bsp: | you lack lirc dev headers |
| [13:23:45] | Floppe: | would be my guess too |
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| [13:29:21] | mzb: | opentrinity: check your config logs, they will tell you if anything is missing |
| [13:30:10] | opentrinity: | directhex rules :-D |
| [13:30:50] | opentrinity: | tx mzb ...now works ...i have a little problem that when i press a button seems that i press 3 4 times ... |
| [13:31:34] | mzb: | check the "repeat" setting for that button (and the manpage for lircrc" |
| [13:31:44] | opentrinity: | ok |
| [13:32:30] | mzb: | a google for "lircrc" (on the lirc site) will show you what it means |
| [13:33:59] | opentrinity: | so i have to set 0 to all |
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| [13:34:17] | mzb: | (which is default) |
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| [13:34:43] | mzb: | try increasing the repeat value for that button |
| [13:37:18] | opentrinity: | A value of zero tells the program to ignore repeated keys. ----> why i have to increase? with 0 it ignore the entire command? |
| [13:37:32] | opentrinity: | now i have 3 |
| [13:38:08] | mzb: | setting debug and tailing the log might help |
| [13:38:21] | justinh: | reading the lirc docs will reveal that and more! |
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| [13:39:38] | enhanced: | quick question re: ripping dvds... I have one that the audio did not sync... i.e. the audio is several seconds ahead of the video... |
| [13:40:43] | mzb: | avidemux? |
| [13:41:04] | mzb: | too tired, gnite all |
| [13:41:09] | justinh: | night |
| [13:41:33] | enhanced: | mzb: I'll chek it |
| [13:41:35] | enhanced: | night |
| [13:41:46] | opentrinity: | night justinh |
| [13:41:50] | opentrinity: | tx a lot |
| [13:41:51] | justinh: | just bought my new dvb-t tuner. hope it works in linux as reported on the linuxtv.org wikiwikiwiki |
| [13:42:06] | justinh: | I'm not going to bed. jees I wish it was that time already |
| [13:42:21] | directhex|bsp: | wiki wiki wild wild west! |
| [13:42:28] | opentrinity: | ops |
| [13:42:40] | mzb: | enhanced: "time shift" ... copy on audio + video ... takes a bit of fiddling |
| [13:42:42] | enhanced: | it's early for me in the morning |
| [13:43:58] | enhanced: | mzb: right, to get the actualy sync.. |
| [13:43:58] | enhanced: | s/actualy/actual/ |
| [13:43:58] | mzb: | eg: for cutting music videos out of 4 hr shows, I copy audio+video except -250ms for audio. |
| [13:44:41] | enhanced: | right |
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| [13:55:21] | opentrinity: | bah i have the same behaviour with reapeat = 0 or =10 ?? |
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| [14:05:07] | enhanced: | mzb: no messing with it |
| [14:05:10] | enhanced: | using the tool U gave me |
| [14:05:24] | enhanced: | I look at the difference between the audio stream and video... subtract and use that |
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| [14:11:48] | mzb_d800: | enhanced: can't tell from what you've typed if you're successful, but I know it works (after ~1266 minutes of music videos in ~6 weeks;) |
| [14:12:22] | Dagmar: | I just generally beat the crap out of the transcoder until it transodes correctly. |
| [14:12:32] | Dagmar: | If the audio and video were out of sync on the DVD it would be one thing, but they're not. |
| [14:12:38] | Dagmar: | They're in the same stream even. |
| [14:12:52] | Dagmar: | Them being out of sync on the transcoded copy means the transcoder effed up. |
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| [14:16:00] | enhanced: | mzb_d800: yeah, it works |
| [14:16:16] | enhanced: | I was just saying I didn't have to "guess" at the time delta...it was there for me ;-) |
| [14:16:28] | enhanced: | stupid mathematics haha |
| [14:16:39] | mzb_d800: | nice :) |
| [14:19:00] | mzb_d800: | gnite |
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| [14:31:06] | enhanced: | night |
| [14:35:56] | opentrinity: | is normal that even if i kill lircd remote works? ...this is the reason because setting repeate option in lircrc doesn't change anything? |
| [14:37:17] | hashbang: | opello: yup, remotes show up as input layer devices and mimic keypresses |
| [14:37:24] | hashbang: | er, opentrinity even |
| [14:37:29] | opello: | heh |
| [14:37:45] | opentrinity: | hashbang: i don't understand |
| [14:39:10] | hashbang: | opentrinity: my Hauppauge remote generates key events for some buttons – esp numbers, arrows |
| [14:39:43] | opentrinity: | yes mine too |
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| [14:43:49] | opentrinity: | hashbang: is possible disable it? |
| [14:44:16] | hashbang: | not sure, but it's not necessary to disable it. |
| [14:44:26] | hashbang: | opentrinity: what card/remote are you using? |
| [14:44:43] | opentrinity: | terratec hybrid xs fm |
| [14:47:30] | jduggan: | hmm, 384mb ram – enough for an sd frontend? :o |
| [14:49:11] | GreyFoxx: | jd86: yup |
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| [14:53:19] | opentrinity: | hashbang: it is possible? |
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| [14:54:51] | DGnome: | jduggan: i'd go for 512 or more but it will work with 384 |
| [14:56:43] | hashbang: | opentrinity: dunno whether lirc is dependent on event layer stuff in the kernel or not |
| [14:57:21] | hashbang: | opentrinity: remember you can cat from the /dev/input/eventX device into hexdump -C to see the keycode for each button |
| [14:58:00] | Dagmar: | It shoudln't be. |
| [14:58:05] | Dagmar: | It pre-dates it, for one thing. |
| [14:58:18] | opentrinity: | hashbang: sorry but i can't follow you ... .-/ |
| [14:58:46] | hashbang: | cat </dev/input/eventX | hexdump -C |
| [14:58:48] | Dagmar: | If you're using a USB IR dongle then it's anyone's guess tho |
| [14:58:55] | hashbang: | then start pressing buttons on the remote |
| [14:59:09] | hashbang: | change X if nothing happens |
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| [14:59:36] | opentrinity: | hashbang: yes |
| [14:59:57] | opentrinity: | 00000000 82 f8 99 47 7e d1 03 00 01 00 60 01 01 00 00 00 |...G~.....`.....| |
| [14:59:57] | opentrinity: | 00000010 82 f8 99 47 5e 77 05 00 01 00 60 01 00 00 00 00 |...G^w....`.....| |
| [15:00:04] | opentrinity: | for example |
| [15:00:20] | hashbang: | I don't have my myth machine in front of me to play |
| [15:00:30] | hashbang: | but that looks like you pressed two different buttons |
| [15:01:18] | Dagmar: | That could easily be the protocol |
| [15:01:28] | hashbang: | opentrinity: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Cow . . . a-Red_Remote |
| [15:01:36] | Dagmar: | RC-5 appears to send a count indicator that increments over time as you hold down a button |
| [15:01:46] | hashbang: | opentrinity: might help – my config from my Hauppauge setup |
| [15:02:57] | jduggan: | DGnome: i've got an old 1.2ghz laptop with 384mb of ram which the screen recently died – gonna hack it apart into a mythfrontend :P |
| [15:03:22] | opentrinity: | hashbang: all works..the problem that when i press a button on mythtv the sistem press 2 times |
| [15:03:52] | opentrinity: | in fact remote works even without lircd runningù |
| [15:04:43] | hashbang: | opentrinity: google for things like 'lirc debounce' |
| [15:05:22] | hashbang: | opentrinity: bounce==electronics/computing jargon for getting two or more events from a single keypress |
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| [15:11:32] | opentrinity: | :-/ notingh hashbang |
| [15:11:41] | opentrinity: | nothing* |
| [15:12:36] | justinh: | jduggan: 384 millbits of RAM ain't enough, no |
| [15:12:51] | justinh: | 384MB could be though, except if you want to use blootube-wide :P |
| [15:13:08] | jduggan: | all other themes suck |
| [15:13:17] | jduggan: | ive yet to try your glass theme |
| [15:13:59] | justinh: | 512MB wasn't enough for blootube-wide running at 720x576 (!) |
| [15:14:14] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, before or after the theme ram munching optimizations? |
| [15:14:49] | justinh: | you could save a lot of memory though by commenting out watermark images in theme.xml – esp. if you don't use everything in there – or use duplicates :) |
| [15:15:01] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: before, but even after it still won't be enough |
| [15:18:07] | justinh: | wait til the glowing tux theme is unleashed on an unsuspecting public. they won't know what's hit em |
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| [15:18:40] | ** directhex|bsp starts work on a next-gen remake of leafers-wide ** | |
| [15:18:51] | directhex|bsp: | and a port to mediaportal! |
| [15:19:09] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, did you see, eliza has a new less sucky UI! still a teency bit unstable, mind |
| [15:21:58] | opentrinity: | anyone have the same problem? |
| [15:23:55] | justinh: | elisa, not suck? it wouldn't be elisa! |
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| [15:25:16] | justinh: | you're right it does suck slightly less. that isn't saying awfully much though |
| [15:26:17] | justinh: | fade between screens :( wonder what that reminds me of |
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| [15:27:21] | jduggan: | i hate fading between screens |
| [15:30:21] | directhex|bsp: | it's not jsut fades. it's doing >1 transition animations at once – note the breadcrumb at the top expanding |
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| [15:42:19] | justinh: | it still sucks donkeys |
| [15:43:05] | opentrinity: | # Mute |
| [15:43:05] | opentrinity: | begin |
| [15:43:05] | opentrinity: | prog = mythtv |
| [15:43:05] | opentrinity: | button = MUTE |
| [15:43:05] | opentrinity: | repeat= 0 |
| [15:43:06] | opentrinity: | delay = 5 |
| [15:43:08] | opentrinity: | config = | |
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| [15:43:10] | opentrinity: | end |
| [15:43:38] | opentrinity: | i have this in lircrc for mute button but i can't mute tv! ....it press always 2 times :-/ |
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| [15:44:14] | opentrinity: | :.-( |
| [15:44:25] | sphery: | then you have it in there 2 times. |
| [15:46:27] | opentrinity: | ? |
| [15:46:49] | opentrinity: | sphery: you r talking to me? |
| [15:46:51] | sphery: | check for another similar stanza in your LIRC config file |
| [15:47:19] | sphery: | probably have 2 for prog=mythtv and button=MUTE |
| [15:47:54] | opentrinity: | sphery: absolutly not |
| [15:49:43] | opentrinity: | the point is that even if i kill lircd Button MUTE work on my system (not in mythtv) ...so i think that when i start lircd and i press mute in mythtv the system received 2 mute on/off command |
| [15:49:52] | sphery: | then you have a bad lircd.conf (i.e your remote sends button press and button release and your conf doesn't realize it) or you're using both LIRC and the in-kernel remote suport or it's some problem other than it being pressed 2x |
| [15:50:04] | sphery: | That would be the second--using LIRC and in-kernel remote support |
| [15:50:15] | Dagmar: | There's lots of things that can go wrong when one doesn't use one's brain. |
| [15:51:16] | opentrinity: | Is possible to disable in-kernel remote support? |
| [15:51:27] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [15:51:31] | sphery: | yep. How is dependent on remote type |
| [15:51:45] | sphery: | some you rmmod the module, then blacklist it |
| [15:52:11] | sphery: | some (those without specific kernel modules) require a bit more effort (and distro-specific changes). |
| [15:52:45] | iamlindoro__: | I don't know what repeat = 0 is supposed to do, but in LIRC, lower numbers in repeat equal FASTER repeat. Get rid of the repeat line. |
| [15:53:07] | iamlindoro__: | ie, repeat = 1 is three times FASTER repeats than repeat = 3 |
| [15:54:02] | sphery: | repeat=0 disables repeat |
| [15:54:46] | sphery: | delay=5 says ignore 4 (or 5?) repeats before passing repeats through |
| [15:55:04] | sphery: | so it isn't repeating because of LIRC |
| [15:55:05] | iamlindoro__: | Well. Then feel free to keep it . ;) |
| [15:55:28] | opentrinity: | iamlindoro_ i try all possibility |
| [15:55:33] | sphery: | repeat=0 is also the default, so feel free to remove it. ;) |
| [15:55:51] | opentrinity: | ... repeat=10 :-/ bt doesn't work |
| [15:56:04] | opentrinity: | sphery: ok |
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| [15:57:12] | iamlindoro__: | Lord, it is *pouring* rain here |
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| [15:57:24] | Dagmar: | Be glad it's warm enough for rain there |
| [15:57:31] | iamlindoro__: | true |
| [15:57:35] | iamlindoro__: | very good point |
| [15:57:47] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [15:58:04] | opentrinity: | Dagmar: u said that it is possible to remove in-kernel remote support ...how? |
| [15:58:05] | Dagmar: | It's going to hit 10F here tonight, and there's already snow on the way---we hope. |
| [15:58:14] | Dagmar: | opentrinity: You undo what you did to turn it on. |
| [15:59:19] | opentrinity: | ...so i think it is impossible |
| [15:59:51] | opentrinity: | ...i use esperimental drivers for the new terratec hybrid xs fm ... |
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| [16:39:40] | Dagmar: | Hah |
| [16:39:52] | Dagmar: | When the heck did the internal player get FLashplayer support? Hehe that's nice. |
| [16:41:39] | directhex|bsp: | what does a pvr-500 look like to lspci? |
| [16:41:46] | Dagmar: | One card, IIRC |
| [16:41:50] | Dagmar: | Lemme check |
| [16:42:04] | Dagmar: | No wait, scratch that |
| [16:42:06] | quicksilver: | You know what would be nice. |
| [16:42:13] | Dagmar: | I shouldn't have even *thought* that |
| [16:42:17] | quicksilver: | A BBC Radio "Listen Again" plugin for myth. |
| [16:42:19] | Dagmar: | I know it's got it's own bloody PCI bridge in it |
| [16:42:21] | quicksilver: | or just a hack. |
| [16:42:34] | directhex|bsp: | Dagmar, ah, that's what i wondered |
| [16:42:58] | Dagmar: | directhex: "05:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)" and a second one at 05:09.0 |
| [16:43:24] | directhex|bsp: | Dagmar, i heard the semi-plausible explanation that the reason for such bizzaro hardware design on the 500 cards is the windows BDA driver infrastructure specifically disallows >1 tuner on 1 pci id |
| [16:43:56] | opentrinity: | it is possible solve the problem with xmodmap? |
| [16:44:01] | Dagmar: | I was under the impression it was just easier to stick a PCI bridge on it because it lets them simply stick two sets of the components of a PVR-150 on one card. |
| [16:45:42] | sphery: | opentrinity: TTBOMK, if you're using the linux input layer (and your remote does), LIRC should be using the remote button presses and the keyboard driver shouldn't see them. |
| [16:46:16] | sphery: | If that's not the case, you need to find some way to prevent the keyboard module from using them. |
| [16:46:22] | directhex|bsp: | Dagmar, and the nova-t 500? |
| [16:46:31] | Dagmar: | No idea about that oen |
| [16:46:42] | Dagmar: | I've never even seen one of those |
| [16:46:59] | directhex|bsp: | Dagmar, hell, most "dual tuner" pci cards have a usb plug on the back – one card is pci, one is usb, and they're completely electrically isolated |
| [16:47:08] | justinh: | oh lordy. glad I won't be using this natty windows TV card software as supplied with the tuner card. oof! |
| [16:47:19] | Dagmar: | directhex: Jeebus that sounds insane |
| [16:47:40] | justinh: | Dagmar: nova-t500 is 2 usb tuners on one pci card |
| [16:47:41] | Dagmar: | Wouldn't that mean you'd have to run a patch cable from the card to your USB bus? |
| [16:47:53] | directhex|bsp: | Dagmar, yes |
| [16:48:01] | Dagmar: | OKay screw that then |
| [16:48:02] | hashbang: | directhex: ewww |
| [16:48:03] | directhex|bsp: | Dagmar, exactly that. usb-b connector on the back of the card |
| [16:48:07] | justinh: | wtf? who's making cards like that?! |
| [16:48:15] | justinh: | lemme guess. twinhan |
| [16:48:16] | Dagmar: | justinh: Some complete loons, I suspect |
| [16:48:21] | justinh: | kworld |
| [16:48:27] | justinh: | avermedia |
| [16:48:41] | Dagmar: | Putting a USB controller on the card and having both tuners behave as independent USB devices would be a lot saner |
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| [16:49:46] | hashbang: | Dagmar: a la Nova-T-500 |
| [16:49:55] | justinh: | WTf? the box of this tv tuner has diagrams showing "dvd/VCD/VHS player/ PC / Game Console..." going into the card. thing is, it hasn't got any video inputs |
| [16:50:19] | Dagmar: | hahah |
| [16:50:25] | justinh: | the level of uncluedness I see in here is starting to become clear now |
| [16:50:27] | Dagmar: | RUN |
| [16:50:29] | opentrinity: | sphery: keybord module?...i |
| [16:50:29] | justinh: | it's a dvb tuner |
| [16:50:32] | Dagmar: | RUN FAR |
| [16:51:14] | justinh: | 12:30 < at0m|c> yes, they receive same analog cable. the backend now has a pvr150 and a pvr350... |
| [16:51:18] | justinh: | oops |
| [16:51:20] | justinh: | wtf |
| [16:51:29] | justinh: | anyway just for kicks I think I'll rtfm |
| [16:51:48] | hashbang: | justinh: http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/Products/DualDigital.aspx # example of what directhex was talking about |
| [16:52:25] | justinh: | oh my god |
| [16:52:43] | hashbang: | hacktastic |
| [16:55:49] | justinh: | hey look at my 128 tuner tv card! |
| [16:56:21] | ** hashbang can only see a mess of USB cables, hubs and dongles. ** | |
| [16:56:32] | ** justinh shows everybody a pic of 128 tv tuners taped together with 16 USB hubs ** | |
| [16:56:59] | justinh: | imagine setting up udev rules for that lot! ;) |
| [16:57:43] | directhex|bsp: | http://www.johnsreviews.com/images/fusionhdtv/fusionhdtv2.jpg |
| [16:57:56] | directhex|bsp: | damn, hashbang beat me |
| [16:58:32] | directhex|bsp: | knew i wasn't going mad |
| [17:00:26] | opentrinity: | sphery: i don't understand if is your thinking or is a possible thing... |
| [17:01:11] | KaiForce: | what does USB do on HD cards? |
| [17:01:25] | directhex|bsp: | KaiForce, make baby jesus cry |
| [17:02:02] | KaiForce: | really now... I didn't know that function was built into computer hardware |
| [17:02:25] | directhex|bsp: | absolutely |
| [17:02:34] | directhex|bsp: | magic smoke, and making jesus cry. that's what powers computers |
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| [17:03:23] | KaiForce: | i know a lot about computers, and i know that is not true |
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| [17:03:34] | KaiForce: | there is a tiny hamster in there that spins this wheel, see.... |
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| [17:05:08] | Dagmar: | ...and a little metal foot attached to the wheel that generates an interrupt every rotation |
| [17:06:28] | opentrinity: | brb |
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| [17:16:44] | Dagmar: | All the LIRC devices go through /dev/lirc at some point, don't they? |
| [17:16:50] | Dagmar: | ...even the USB ones? |
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| [17:19:17] | enhanced: | curious.. xbox 360 did not want to play h264 |
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| [17:27:50] | sphery: | opentrinity: I'm just saying I don't see how it could do what you're seeing. In other words, I don't know what's happening, so I don't know how to fix it. |
| [17:28:19] | opentrinity: | :-/ me too |
| [17:29:36] | opentrinity: | now i find that in shell i write numbers with remote and in mythtv does'nt works |
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| [17:35:04] | plb_: | anyone have a wintv hvr 1600? |
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| [17:40:04] | plb_: | ok how about a pinnacle pctv hd card? |
| [17:40:21] | plb_: | these are the only 2 tv tuner cards I could find around me |
| [17:40:35] | iamlindoro_: | Nobody ever responds to "Who has X hardware" around here... why not ask what you want to know? |
| [17:40:51] | iamlindoro_: | HVR-1600 is only experimentally supported, I believe the Pinnacle is unsupported. |
| [17:41:00] | iamlindoro_: | Order something supported online. |
| [17:43:24] | jarle: | hmmm where is the info telling mythtv which xmltv grabber to use stored? Can't seem to find it in the database... |
| [17:43:52] | enhanced: | plb_: newegg.com kthx |
| [17:45:58] | plb_: | ya I know I just didn't feel like ordering online |
| [17:46:00] | plb_: | ;] |
| [17:46:32] | iamlindoro_: | Not much choice given the alternatives... ie, buying an unsupported card. |
| [17:46:57] | plb_: | hm but pvr is analog only isn't it? |
| [17:47:38] | iamlindoro_: | pvr-x50s are analog, yes... so? Who said you had to buy that? |
| [17:47:59] | Dagmar: | Ordering online is _not_ a problem. |
| [17:48:05] | plb_: | what its a well supported card that supports analog and digital? |
| [17:48:10] | Dagmar: | It's definitely less hassle than dealing with a store. |
| [17:48:26] | iamlindoro_: | I presume you want hardware encoding on the analog side as well? |
| [17:48:31] | iamlindoro_: | If so, none yet. |
| [17:48:37] | Dagmar: | ...and you can't trust the crap that's written on boxes to tell you anything useful or honest. |
| [17:49:09] | iamlindoro_: | HVR-1600 and 1800 have experimental drivers, but one or both of those may only have analog or digital support yet... I don't remember. |
| [17:49:45] | iamlindoro_: | If you want well supported digital, get a HDHomerun, a Kworld 110 or 115, an Avermedia A180, or a pcHDTV HD 5500 |
| [17:49:46] | plb_: | ya I tried building the beta drivers but it didn't work so well |
| [17:49:58] | iamlindoro_: | For analog, get a PVR-x50 or 500 |
| [17:50:25] | iamlindoro_: | So either buy two cards or wait around for the dual-mode card drivers to mature. |
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| [18:06:36] | iamlindoro_: | Not even a thanks... I should have told him to buy the Pinnacle card. |
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| [18:06:58] | iamlindoro_: | and install the drivers with apt-get pinnacle-driver | rm -rf / |
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| [18:07:41] | iamlindoro_: | s/|/&&/ |
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| [18:08:24] | plb_: | hrm whats difference between pvr150 and 150mce..just an fm tuner? |
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| [18:08:42] | iamlindoro_: | No, MCE has RCA audio inputs and, if you get a remote, a much better remote. |
| [18:08:52] | plb_: | hm ok |
| [18:09:24] | plb_: | and it works fine under linux? |
| [18:09:26] | plb_: | mce |
| [18:09:28] | iamlindoro_: | Yep. |
| [18:09:28] | plb_: | ? |
| [18:09:35] | plb_: | guess I'll go with that one |
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| [18:14:54] | enhanced: | wtf |
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| [18:15:17] | ** enhanced kicks Avidemux in the nutsack ** | |
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| [18:20:07] | CCFL_Man2: | presants came in the mail for me |
| [18:20:57] | justinh: | well here goes... make an avermedia super007 dvb-t card worky in loonix |
| [18:22:35] | justinh: | oh great! linuxtv.org wiki links to nonexistent files :-\ |
| [18:25:10] | justinh: | ow a 2.6.22 kernel isn't new enough for this card, it would appear |
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| [18:28:29] | plb_: | this move from analog to digital only affects you if you use an antenna right..cable boxes and the like work as always? |
| [18:28:49] | justinh: | until cable companies move to all digital cable boxes, yeah |
| [18:29:21] | CCFL_Man2: | i farkin love my local pbs |
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| [18:29:44] | CCFL_Man2: | show about the hostory of local tv in my area |
| [18:29:48] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, Got a DVB-T card, huh? For documenting multirec? Oh, and to watch DVB-T? ;) |
| [18:30:06] | plb_: | does fedex deliver on saturday? |
| [18:30:44] | iamlindoro_: | only if you pay for the Sat delivery option |
| [18:30:50] | plb_: | ah |
| [18:31:05] | plb_: | blah figures the mce with fm tuner doesnt come with a remote heh |
| [18:31:20] | iamlindoro_: | Shame, that remote is one of the best out there |
| [18:31:50] | plb_: | that have mce without fm tuner with remote |
| [18:32:05] | iamlindoro_: | Might as well get that, since Myth doesn't do built-in FM anyway |
| [18:32:12] | iamlindoro_: | The remote is far more valuable in Myth |
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| [18:33:00] | justinh: | where does Ubunut want firmware again? is it /lib/firmware or ...? |
| [18:33:05] | iamlindoro_: | yup |
| [18:33:27] | justinh: | thought so |
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| [18:37:03] | justinh: | heh. didn't find the fw in /lib/firmware but it's ok in /lib/firmware/2.6.22-generic/ |
| [18:37:11] | justinh: | and now it found it but it's invalid |
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| [18:38:10] | justinh: | and wtf is "The firmware is needed, use the updated get_dvb_firmware script" supposed to mean? |
| [18:39:15] | iamlindoro_: | I presume they mean the get_dvb_firmware.pl that comes in the kernel headers |
| [18:40:09] | justinh: | oh the one not in the kernel headers I just downloaded |
| [18:40:20] | iamlindoro_: | Or, at least, they always *say* it comes in the kernel headers, each time I've needed it I've needed to find it and paste it and chmod it |
| [18:40:24] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, exactly ;) |
| [18:40:42] | iamlindoro_: | can pastebin if you like |
| [18:40:52] | justinh: | got one |
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| [18:42:47] | justinh: | let's see if the firmware on the cd is any use... |
| [18:42:54] | iamlindoro_: | fucking windows XChat |
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| [18:43:37] | justinh: | ffs. all contained in handy self-extracting bullshit |
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| [18:46:49] | justinh: | heheh I love all this. reading between the lines. dashing from site to site, crossreferencing everything as you go along. ahhhh like the good (bad) old days |
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| [18:51:52] | justinh: | great. firmware loads, dmesg shows everything ok according to the wikiwikwiki – scan fails. tuning fails. bah! |
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| [18:53:28] | justinh: | nothing doing, so gonna try mercurial |
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| [18:57:06] | mkrufky: | what device, justinh ? |
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| [18:58:58] | justinh: | mkrufky: avermedia dvb-t super007, listed here: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/AVerMedia_A . . . T_Super_007. all loads fine, dmesg is fine according to that page. scan is producing errors in dmesg as follows: http://pastebin.ca/872383 |
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| [18:59:41] | arod: | hi there. need help to make tv out work. nvidia mx4000 card with composite out and nvidia drivers on debian etch |
| [18:59:43] | justinh: | I'm beginning to suspect it might be a new variant, but I'll see if hg does anything different |
| [19:00:13] | mkrufky: | justinh: looks like i2c gate is closed behind the tda8290 |
| [19:00:18] | mkrufky: | ...but there is no tda8290 |
| [19:00:29] | mkrufky: | the tda8290 on YOUR board is spliced into the saa7131 |
| [19:00:41] | justinh: | mkrufky: so it's not card=109 then? |
| [19:00:49] | mkrufky: | justinh: you're trying linuxtv.org hg to test? |
| [19:00:58] | mkrufky: | oh, you're passing insmod options? |
| [19:01:04] | arod: | all I've done is set tvstandard as pal-b, vertrefresh as 50 and tvoutformat as composite |
| [19:01:10] | justinh: | mkrufky: just a stock ubuntu kernel for the time being 2.6.22 |
| [19:01:15] | CCFL_Man2: | this avermedia A180 seems to work good in winders |
| [19:01:23] | justinh: | mkrufky: gonna give hg a spin now. building it :) |
| [19:01:25] | arod: | should I install nvtv? |
| [19:01:39] | mkrufky: | CCFL_Man2: i couldnt get it to work in windows _at_all_ , but the linux driver works .... |
| [19:02:00] | mkrufky: | justinh: make sure you dont pass module options — let it try to autodetect |
| [19:02:12] | justinh: | mkrufky: doesn't work if I don't autodetect |
| [19:02:22] | CCFL_Man2: | mkrufky: it seems to have a good tuner, nice and sensitive |
| [19:02:23] | justinh: | mkrufky: er.. I mean if I don't pass the card type |
| [19:02:39] | mkrufky: | justinh: doesnt work if you DO pass it, apparantly either |
| [19:02:53] | mkrufky: | justinh: if it doesnt work with hg, you'll have to add support for it |
| [19:02:55] | justinh: | mkrufky: sounds like hg is the way to go then. if the stock module isn't autodetectiming-ifying |
| [19:03:03] | mkrufky: | exactly |
| [19:03:22] | justinh: | mkrufky: oh yeah I always wanted to spend many nights slaving over a hot PC writing driver code |
| [19:03:25] | justinh: | :D |
| [19:04:11] | justinh: | .. and all because the linuxtv wiki supported tuner list is either not very up to date, or my local stockists just don't have anything on the list |
| [19:05:19] | justinh: | mkrufky: how up to date is the linuxtv wiki when it comes to the list of working tuners? I realise it might not be very up to date – I mean I bet you hardly ever hear from people whose kit just works out of the box :P |
| [19:06:46] | justinh: | back in about 30 mins.. time to be taxi |
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| [19:12:18] | mkrufky: | justinh: i was AFK |
| [19:12:26] | mkrufky: | justinh: users maintain the wiki |
| [19:12:40] | mkrufky: | justinh: the Documentation/CARDLIST.foo is always up to date |
| [19:12:45] | mkrufky: | (inside kernel source) |
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| [19:30:19] | Andycasss: | does mythtv have upnp AV server? If so, then i cant see that "device" in my vista upnp services |
| [19:30:35] | Andycasss: | I can just see other peoples pc names and my router alias |
| [19:31:14] | GreyFoxx: | Andycasss: It has one, but I dunno if vista will see it if you are running 0.20.2 |
| [19:31:26] | GreyFoxx: | It will see it with svn trunk however and the soon to be 0.21 |
| [19:31:27] | Andycasss: | i did use to see it under vista |
| [19:31:44] | Andycasss: | i have the svn version (not the latest tho) |
| [19:31:57] | GreyFoxx: | at one point a change was made that removed a flag windows look for before recognizing the device |
| [19:31:58] | Andycasss: | is there a path that i can use? |
| [19:32:07] | GreyFoxx: | I fixced it sometime around xmas |
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| [19:32:59] | Andycasss: | i think my svn was compiled in november or december, so i probably dont have that fix |
| [19:33:05] | GreyFoxx: | You don't |
| [19:33:15] | Andycasss: | uptating it is pain in the ass too... |
| [19:33:22] | GreyFoxx: | I it as the last couple days of Dec, or first couple days of Jan when I commited it |
| [19:33:34] | Andycasss: | Never tried to do it, but i was warned not to, or else it might screw up my install |
| [19:33:42] | Andycasss: | ah |
| [19:34:02] | GreyFoxx: | But that's just gonna make Vista see it, it wont give you great access to the content |
| [19:34:11] | GreyFoxx: | WMP sucks as a upnp client |
| [19:34:24] | Andycasss: | what about vlc/winamp? |
| [19:34:48] | GreyFoxx: | Never used winamp for upnp, nor have I ever seen anyone who had upnp compiled into their version of vlc |
| [19:35:03] | GreyFoxx: | so I can't say how well those would work |
| [19:35:37] | GreyFoxx: | I'll give the winamp upnp plugin a shot this weekend |
| [19:35:51] | GreyFoxx: | did you have to install a special plugin for vlc ? |
| [19:36:18] | portahex: | GreyFoxx, vista will see and play 0.20.2 content |
| [19:36:46] | GreyFoxx: | portahex: WMP will see the server, and play content, but the player is very very well...crappy |
| [19:37:02] | portahex: | yes |
| [19:37:04] | GreyFoxx: | no folders, limited abbility to navigate to other root objects |
| [19:37:27] | GreyFoxx: | But I don't think windows will "see" the device in network neighbourhood and such |
| [19:37:36] | GreyFoxx: | it was missing a presentationURL flag |
| [19:37:47] | portahex: | http://img.hexus.net/v2/articles/MythTV/wmp-upnp-05.jpg |
| [19:38:26] | GreyFoxx: | Currently I' |
| [19:38:44] | GreyFoxx: | ve got my vista vm accessing my mythvideo content, along with movie posters |
| [19:39:13] | clever: | how would i go about marking a show on channel 43 at midnight to never record on weekdays |
| [19:40:39] | clever: | ive got a constant conflict between 2 schedules at the same time and channel pair |
| [19:40:40] | clever: | and its mildly anoying to have to cancle it at the same point in every day |
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| [19:42:49] | justinh: | bah unknown synbol in module |
| [19:43:02] | clever: | !recomile |
| [19:43:20] | justinh: | saa7134: disagrees about version of symbol video_unregister_device |
| [19:43:26] | justinh: | bugger |
| [19:43:40] | clever: | similar errors when i try to use both ivtv and bttv |
| [19:44:32] | clever: | because of the 2 versions of tveeprom |
| [19:45:15] | justinh: | mkrufky: ahh! I'll bear that in mind in future :) |
| [19:45:41] | justinh: | nothing quite like spending a night futzing about with kernel modules |
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| [19:47:32] | justinh: | mkrufky: tried hg & still getting the tuning error :( |
| [19:48:02] | Andycasss: | Meh |
| [19:48:40] | Andycasss: | I can see mythtv Av.. thingy under wmp share my media to:, but i cant access the device myself |
| [19:48:53] | Andycasss: | or well, the service or whatever you want to call that |
| [19:49:55] | Andycasss: | I can see serial number and even mac and such things :/ Isnt there a path to these services? |
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| [19:59:17] | ** justinh adds saa7134 to the modules blacklist to prevent having to unload modules after rebooty ** | |
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| [20:25:07] | GreyFoxx: | Andycasss: Update your install |
| [20:25:31] | GreyFoxx: | If you want a seperate patch then go through the svn history and pull the diff from the commit |
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| [20:25:51] | roothorick: | hi everyone |
| [20:26:21] | roothorick: | anyone know if the VFD and remote control built into the Thermaltake Bach and Mozart cases is supported? |
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| [20:32:10] | GreyFoxx: | Andycasss: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/15207/tr . . . cemaster.xml |
| [20:32:15] | GreyFoxx: | It's trivial patch |
| [20:32:19] | GreyFoxx: | you could hand do it |
| [20:32:40] | justinh: | hmm this install seems quite broken now |
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| [20:40:04] | roothorick: | I just sent a mail to Tt regarding Linux support on their Media Lab cases |
| [20:40:09] | roothorick: | we'll see what happens |
| [20:40:52] | portahex: | thermaltake? good luck |
| [20:41:01] | roothorick: | not had luck in the past? |
| [20:41:28] | portahex: | i just don't think they have any engineers on staff who could actually answer the question |
| [20:41:57] | justinh: | "It even comes with drivers for Linux." http://www.trustedreviews.com/peripherals/rev . . . n-Display/p3 |
| [20:42:11] | iamlindoro_: | If I worked there I'd say, "Thanks for not googling, asshole." http://lists.ourshack.com/pipermail/mythtvnz/ . . . /001830.html |
| [20:42:12] | roothorick: | well, whether or not they're willing to provide the technical documents we need is more of a legal question |
| [20:42:27] | roothorick: | iamlindoro_: I did google kthx |
| [20:42:41] | iamlindoro_: | yes, but one must READ the google results too |
| [20:42:55] | roothorick: | iamlindoro_: also, that has nothing to do with what I'm looking into buying |
| [20:43:00] | roothorick: | err |
| [20:43:02] | justinh: | roothorick: read the text |
| [20:43:02] | iamlindoro_: | ie, that one was about four results down... I see how you might have gotten distracted by a shiny object or something before you got there |
| [20:43:02] | roothorick: | justinh: |
| [20:43:45] | iamlindoro_: | it has nothing to do with what you asked? You mean like when it says "I have bought the Thermaltake Mozart working under Linux (Ubuntu 6.05) and mythtv" |
| [20:43:51] | justinh: | roothorick: in the linky iamlindoro_ just posted up here, it's mentioned that the VFD & remote are clones of imon stuff |
| [20:44:07] | roothorick: | justinh: I just read |
| [20:44:16] | justinh: | so yeah it'll work in linux |
| [20:44:29] | justinh: | YMMV though |
| [20:44:30] | roothorick: | iamlindoro_: I googled for "Thermaltake Bach Linux" (the case I'm buying), go figure |
| [20:44:45] | roothorick: | I need to refine my google skills |
| [20:44:54] | justinh: | sho 'nuff |
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| [20:45:22] | roothorick: | so, for a cap card, I'm thinking about the FusionHDTV5 for both digital and analog. Bad idea? |
| [20:45:46] | roothorick: | (no HDTV yet, just digital SD for now, but HDTV down the road) |
| [20:46:13] | justinh: | wouldn't dabble in hybrid tuner cards if it was my choice |
| [20:46:24] | roothorick: | any particular reason? |
| [20:46:46] | justinh: | like – you can't use both sides at the same time. kinda defeats the object I think |
| [20:46:49] | mkrufky: | fusion5 does well |
| [20:46:54] | roothorick: | also, I'm doing this on a budget. Is there a digital card / analog card combination for under $150? |
| [20:46:56] | mkrufky: | hi, justinh — i was in a meeting |
| [20:47:17] | roothorick: | mkrufky: analog and digital, fully functional? |
| [20:47:18] | justinh: | mkrufky: np. reinstalling my old kernel now, cleaned out the modules. gonna try again with hg |
| [20:47:41] | roothorick: | this is the RT Gold version, btw |
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| [20:48:25] | mkrufky: | roothorick: yeah fusionhdtv5 gold has been fully functional for years |
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| [20:48:43] | mkrufky: | but... the RT model will not work for audio over composite |
| [20:48:46] | justinh: | I'll take the dog out for a walk while this builds |
| [20:49:07] | roothorick: | mkrufky: just as long as the audio works on RF analog channels I'm good |
| [20:49:29] | roothorick: | I don't need to record me playing my PS2, after all |
| [20:49:47] | mkrufky: | roothorick: better buy it quick — they're being phased out |
| [20:49:57] | roothorick: | mkrufky: probably going to be buying today |
| [20:50:06] | roothorick: | along with a Tt Bach and a DVD-ROM from newegg |
| [20:50:39] | roothorick: | I'm going to go pick up and cash my paycheck today after all |
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| [20:58:29] | roothorick: | okay, maybe not |
| [20:58:36] | roothorick: | the Bach that Newegg has doen't have the media lab in it |
| [20:58:54] | roothorick: | ugh, what's with this new trend of cases with flipdown covers on the 5.25 bays? |
| [21:02:31] | tjcarter: | My TV is MythTV <--- sounds lame enough to be a trademark =p |
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| [21:10:31] | fysa: | Selling my Sanyo Z2 and Da-Lite High Power screen.. http://tampa.craigslist.org/ele/551487691.html |
| [21:10:41] | fysa: | (720p projector) |
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| [21:15:22] | telee: | whats better to rip as .iso or .vob? |
| [21:15:56] | iamlindoro_: | If you just want one title on the disk, VOB. If you want the whole disk structure, ISO. |
| [21:16:59] | telee: | ok is there any pro / con to one or the other? |
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| [21:17:38] | iamlindoro_: | Vob would be just the movie with a small to medium space savings. ISO will preserve the menus and special features, and could be used to recreate the whole disk. |
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| [21:18:33] | telee: | ok sweet |
| [21:20:05] | telee: | so if i wanted to reburn it to a dvd then iso is the way to go |
| [21:20:31] | iamlindoro_: | Yes. VOB can be burned onto a disk, you just give up the menus and special features if all you rip is the single title. |
| [21:21:11] | telee: | ok thanks |
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| [21:21:40] | iamlindoro_: | np |
| [21:27:09] | roothorick: | it's costing me $350 to retrofit my old desktop into a HTPC |
| [21:27:13] | roothorick: | :/ |
| [21:28:09] | roothorick: | new case, new hard drive (it originally had only 15GB!), DVD-ROM, capture card, and a VFD/remote combo |
| [21:28:37] | roothorick: | this better be worth it |
| [21:29:41] | ** cafuego just moves an ugly beige case to behind the tv and stuck a tuner withr emote card in there ** | |
| [21:30:31] | roothorick: | think a 1.4Ghz Tbird is good enough for recording analog or digital SD while watching a DVD? |
| [21:30:46] | fryfrog: | roothorick: i'd wager yes |
| [21:30:51] | cafuego: | Probably. |
| [21:30:59] | fryfrog: | especially if you go with a hardware mpeg2 analog card |
| [21:31:12] | roothorick: | also, I need S/PDIF or TOSlink out, any hardware recommendations? |
| [21:31:25] | cafuego: | My 1.8GHz amd64 manages 2 digital hd streams whilst watching a third. |
| [21:31:30] | fryfrog: | roothorick: Instead of investing in all of this, why don't you just get a TV card first and try it out |
| [21:31:40] | fryfrog: | if you like it, *then* invest in a nice case, big HD, etc, etc |
| [21:32:14] | roothorick: | fryfrog: not a bad idea. Name a cheap frame grabber that Linux likes. |
| [21:32:15] | fryfrog: | i'd strongly recommend that, mythtv can be hard to setup |
| [21:32:23] | cafuego: | roothorick: I think it's pretty hard to find mobos without S/PDIF these days |
| [21:32:30] | roothorick: | cafuego: I'm not buying a new mobo |
| [21:32:33] | fryfrog: | roothorick: any bttv based card will work, but a PVR150 should be findable for $40–50 |
| [21:32:37] | roothorick: | Tbird mobos are hard to find |
| [21:32:38] | cafuego: | roothorick: But indeed, do a tv card on its own first. |
| [21:32:42] | fryfrog: | and if you like myth, you won't need *another* one |
| [21:32:50] | roothorick: | fryfrog: anything over $40 and it's time to commit |
| [21:32:55] | fryfrog: | and if you don't, you can turn around and sell it for $30 or so to someone over here |
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| [21:33:17] | ** cafuego could do with a 3rd tuner ** | |
| [21:33:22] | fryfrog: | see? :) |
| [21:33:29] | roothorick: | well, I know for a fact I like being able to watch things I download on my home theater |
| [21:33:38] | fryfrog: | i've pawned off a PVR250, traded 2x PVR250s for a PVR500 all in here :) |
| [21:33:48] | fryfrog: | roothorick: is your TV HD? |
| [21:33:54] | roothorick: | fryfrog: nope |
| [21:33:57] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [21:34:05] | cafuego: | fryfrog: My wife would beat me senseless if i bought this 3rd tuner, though :-) |
| [21:34:10] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [21:34:25] | roothorick: | okay |
| [21:34:30] | roothorick: | there's a PVR-150 MCE |
| [21:34:34] | roothorick: | what's the difference again? |
| [21:34:49] | justinh: | riiiight. build of hg all done |
| [21:34:52] | Dibblah: | The MCE doesn't come with the remote. |
| [21:34:54] | fryfrog: | i'm not sure on 150 vs. 150 MCE, but 250 vs. 250 MCE... |
| [21:35:01] | fryfrog: | the MCE had rca audio and no remote |
| [21:35:12] | roothorick: | that's the _only_ difference? |
| [21:35:13] | fryfrog: | (vs a remote and headphone adapter style audio input) |
| [21:35:23] | fryfrog: | yup |
| [21:35:30] | fryfrog: | The MCE is a fine choice |
| [21:35:32] | roothorick: | well heck, I'm getting a remote already |
| [21:35:33] | fryfrog: | so here is the thing... |
| [21:35:37] | justinh: | mkrufky: tuning success! :) |
| [21:35:48] | fryfrog: | $350... that is a lot of new, good hardware to pair with a pretty shitty system |
| [21:36:00] | roothorick: | fryfrog: all hardware I can carry into the next system |
| [21:36:05] | fryfrog: | true |
| [21:36:18] | fryfrog: | what size HD you going with? |
| [21:36:27] | fryfrog: | 750 and 500G seem to be at the "sweet spot" now |
| [21:36:28] | roothorick: | as in resolution? No idea |
| [21:36:38] | fryfrog: | no, sorry, hard drive |
| [21:36:41] | roothorick: | oh |
| [21:36:45] | justinh: | mkrufky: I googled on the card id – found all I needed was hg. it's supported after all. so now I guess to reboot, see if it really works, then play with multirec ;) |
| [21:36:47] | roothorick: | 80GB just to keep things cheap |
| [21:36:52] | fryfrog: | your resolution will depend on what your tv can handle |
| [21:36:55] | fryfrog: | how much? |
| [21:36:59] | roothorick: | $40 for the drive |
| [21:37:10] | fryfrog: | thats like 50 cents / gig? |
| [21:37:24] | roothorick: | for IDE drives that's cheap |
| [21:37:52] | fryfrog: | a 500G drive for $120 is $0.25 / G |
| [21:37:59] | roothorick: | a 500G SATA |
| [21:38:09] | fryfrog: | even a 250 or 320G drive would be better value |
| [21:38:22] | fryfrog: | is IDE more expensive now? |
| [21:38:30] | cafuego: | roothorick: You're looking at 4GB/hour I think. So 80G would give you in the vicinity of 20 hours worth of recording. |
| [21:38:32] | roothorick: | generally yes |
| [21:38:45] | fryfrog: | 2.2G / hr is more accurate estimate |
| [21:38:50] | roothorick: | cafuego: less, because there's going to be crap from the internet on there too |
| [21:39:05] | fryfrog: | can you pick one up used for even cheaper? |
| [21:39:08] | cafuego: | roothorick: Well, my estimate is bad, so still 20 or so :-) |
| [21:39:10] | justinh: | roothorick: oh those creative commons videos. a lot of people like those |
| [21:39:11] | fryfrog: | ebay or craigslist or something? |
| [21:39:24] | roothorick: | justinh: uh, er, yeah, that's it |
| [21:39:55] | mkrufky: | justinh: yay! |
| [21:40:01] | roothorick: | oh geez |
| [21:40:06] | roothorick: | 500GB WD IDE is $105 |
| [21:40:11] | fryfrog: | see? |
| [21:40:12] | cafuego: | roothorick: Yes. |
| [21:40:21] | cafuego: | roothorick: 80GB is a really bad buy |
| [21:40:25] | fryfrog: | little more than twice the price... something like 6x the space? |
| [21:40:47] | cafuego: | roothorick: And it's not as if a 500GB disk wouldn't work in a theoreticla new HTPC ;-) |
| [21:41:09] | justinh: | mkrufky: from the bits I've seen on ubuntu forums maybe there's another variant skulling around out there somewhere. or maybe just some very confuzzled people |
| [21:41:37] | mkrufky: | more likely the later |
| [21:41:44] | mkrufky: | but anything is possible :-) |
| [21:42:12] | justinh: | heheheh |
| [21:43:31] | roothorick: | well, if I go with the 500GB things suddenly turn into $400 |
| [21:43:36] | roothorick: | I can get a good X360 with that |
| [21:43:46] | justinh: | wow. just found a ladybird in this room.. 2nd one this year so far. having remembered something on the bbc news website about a rare version I looked it up & it's one of them. obliged to report it & send it off for analysis. weird city |
| [21:43:56] | fryfrog: | roothorick: don't buy anything but the pvr150 now |
| [21:44:05] | fryfrog: | if you *like* it (you can test just fine with 15G) |
| [21:44:14] | fryfrog: | then go further |
| [21:44:22] | roothorick: | okay |
| [21:44:39] | bsdfox__: | the difference in disk price is like $60 |
| [21:44:49] | roothorick: | fryfrog: well, on the other hand, I know for a fact that computer is going to be a permanent part of my home theater |
| [21:44:54] | roothorick: | because of internet stuff |
| [21:46:06] | cafuego: | roothorick: I've found that after getting the tv card, what I need most is disk space. Not a pretty case. |
| [21:46:20] | roothorick: | cafuego: because of certain conditions in the house it needs a pretty case |
| [21:46:25] | roothorick: | not my call here |
| [21:46:29] | cafuego: | WAF eh |
| [21:46:31] | roothorick: | also, the case I chose is only like $70 |
| [21:46:40] | justinh: | mkrufky: I'll edit the wiki while I've got trunk compiling. load of BS on the card's current page IMHO |
| [21:46:41] | roothorick: | more like picky mother |
| [21:47:00] | cafuego: | roothorick: Mind you, you can always add a HDD later. Just saying, 80G will fill up pretty quickly. |
| [21:47:23] | roothorick: | cafuego: yeah, I think I'll go with the 500GB |
| [21:47:34] | roothorick: | and while I'm at it, get two, because my desktop's hard drive is feeling cramped |
| [21:47:55] | cafuego: | heh |
| [21:48:06] | roothorick: | well.... maybe |
| [21:48:12] | roothorick: | how would 120GB work out? |
| [21:48:21] | cafuego: | ... they'll fill up especially quickly with creative commons videoes. |
| [21:48:37] | cafuego: | roothorick: I doubt you can even still buy those |
| [21:48:43] | roothorick: | cafuego: I have one |
| [21:48:46] | roothorick: | I'm saying, upgrade my desktop |
| [21:48:49] | roothorick: | and use the old drive |
| [21:48:50] | cafuego: | here it's 80/150/320/400/500/750/1000 |
| [21:48:56] | cafuego: | s/1/2/ |
| [21:49:24] | cafuego: | roothorick: 50-odd hours on a 120GB |
| [21:49:47] | roothorick: | hmmmmm |
| [21:50:03] | roothorick: | you know, my PS2 needs a bigger hard drive... it's not like I don't have places to put all these drives |
| [21:51:49] | mkrufky: | justinh: cool (sorry for delays) |
| [21:56:08] | roothorick: | my plan now is |
| [21:56:11] | roothorick: | cash my paycheck |
| [21:56:22] | roothorick: | put half of it away for a purpose that has nothing to do with MythTV |
| [21:56:32] | roothorick: | and decide what to do based on how much of it is left |
| [21:57:53] | roothorick: | chances are, it'll be just the case for now |
| [21:58:05] | roothorick: | and maybe the DVD-ROM |
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| [21:59:04] | roothorick: | appearances kind of take priority here due to external forces |
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| [22:00:55] | jawil: | would this be an appropriate place to get help with Lirc or is there a dedicated channel for it somewhere? |
| [22:01:12] | roothorick: | there is a dedicated channel with only four people in it |
| [22:01:20] | roothorick: | I say shoot |
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| [22:01:58] | jawil: | lol, ok here is my problem: I built a homemade serial IR receiver, I tested it with WinLirc on my windows machine and everything seems fine |
| [22:03:11] | jawil: | I'm running Debian on my mythbox and decided to build Lirc from source, I did so, selected the serial driver and I get this, http://pastebin.com/m6084c5f6, output when I modprobe lirc_serial |
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| [22:06:34] | jawil: | well then, that's about as much help as google has been providing me |
| [22:06:46] | justinh: | mkrufky: wiki updated. only needed minor edits, but linking to disappearing pages is never good when folks are in need of a working card ;) |
| [22:07:28] | justinh: | jawil: try to be more patient. this is free tech support here. just looked at your pastebin. can't say I've ever seen that kind of error |
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| [22:07:52] | jawil: | justinh, sorry, not trying to be demanding |
| [22:08:21] | justinh: | jawil: might be that serial port modules are already loaded & are being used. setserial is your friend for that ;) |
| [22:08:45] | justinh: | normally dmesg will show you a more useful error than that |
| [22:10:22] | jawil: | how can setserial help? |
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| [22:10:55] | justinh: | jawil: well, lirc_serial won't work if your serial ports are already configured to do something else.. like be normal serial ports ;) |
| [22:11:01] | justinh: | jawil: run dmesg & see |
| [22:11:30] | justinh: | setserial can disable serial ports to leave them free for lirc_serial :) |
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| [22:11:56] | jawil: | justinh, how? |
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| [22:12:41] | devsforev: | Good afternoon everyone. I recently installed a web cam, and it took over /dev/video0, which is my mythtv tuner. How can I reassign the camera to another location in /dev? Thanks in advance |
| [22:12:54] | jawil: | I have lirc_serial in my modules.conf, found this during boot messages in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m63d367a |
| [22:13:37] | justinh: | jawil: lines 1–7 are most interesting aren't they? ;) |
| [22:14:09] | fryfrog: | devsforev: udev |
| [22:14:19] | iamlindoro_: | devsforev, you will need to write udev rules for both devices so that they symlink to something like /dev/video-webcam and /dev/video-pvr |
| [22:14:24] | justinh: | jawil: are you using a stock kernel or one you made yourself? |
| [22:14:29] | jawil: | I just found a similar problem on a translated german page, I believe their solution was a downgrade to lirc-0.8.1 |
| [22:14:43] | jawil: | justinh, so how do I know which ttySX to do that to? |
| [22:14:59] | justinh: | jawil: which serial port do you want the IR receiver to work on? |
| [22:15:15] | justinh: | COM1 = 03f8 usually :) |
| [22:15:20] | jawil: | justinh, does it matter? I'm not using any of the serial ports for anything else |
| [22:15:21] | fryfrog: | or just a udev rule that always puts the webcam at video1 and pvr at video1 |
| [22:15:28] | devsforev: | Thanks a bunch; I'm looking up udev information right now |
| [22:15:39] | justinh: | so setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none – before loading lirc_serial :) |
| [22:15:57] | justinh: | fryfrog: easier said than done IME |
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| [22:17:04] | justinh: | jawil: as root, right now try setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none – then modprobe lirc_serial. then see if you get further. trust me :) |
| [22:18:11] | jawil: | justinh, no dice, same results :( |
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| [22:18:42] | justinh: | jawil: don't believe you |
| [22:19:01] | jawil: | justinh, I know the feeling, I don't want to believe it either |
| [22:19:06] | jawil: | because I know that should have worked |
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| [22:20:04] | justinh: | jawil: hmmm. I'm a bit busy to help in any more detail right now... |
| [22:20:31] | jawil: | justinh, well thanks for the help, I believe I'm headed in the right direction now though |
| [22:21:04] | justinh: | jawil: I still think there's mileage in setserial etc – something is hogging up the port you want to use for lirc_serial |
| [22:23:22] | haggus: | I want to transfer video files between kubuntu and knoppmyth I have the two networked and I can access the knoppmyth box but where do I put the video files? |
| [22:29:44] | iamlindoro_: | Put them wherever your myth box is expecting to find them, as set up in Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->General |
| [22:31:00] | haggus: | ok thx |
| [22:31:04] | iamlindoro_: | yup |
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| [22:34:43] | Miranda_: | Stupid question guys, I"m following the mythtv installation guide for gentoo, and I've emerged mythtv(with all deps) – now it's time to run mythtv-setup and it's attempting to connect to an X server? |
| [22:34:53] | Miranda_: | Is it expecting XF86 or Xorg? |
| [22:35:25] | cafuego: | Miranda_: yes, the setup is a GUI tool. |
| [22:35:40] | cafuego: | Miranda_: The frontend is also a GUI, needs Qt and X. |
| [22:37:24] | Miranda_: | hmm, mabye the dependancies list needs to be updated, it didn't install any X.. |
| [22:37:52] | Miranda_: | xorg is the x server that most people use with mythtv-frontend, correct? |
| [22:38:02] | jawil: | justinh, downgraded to lirc-0.8.1 and everything worked fine |
| [22:38:07] | Miranda_: | it's been a while, pardon me if that's a stupid question nowadays. |
| [22:39:03] | cafuego: | Miranda_: Xorg is the replacenemt for XFree86, afetr they went stupid with their licensing. |
| [22:39:52] | Miranda_: | cafuego, okay, I knew they split, just didnt know that XF86 dropped to oblivion |
| [22:42:23] | justinh: | jawil: fair enough. thought you'd still need to use setserial though – be on the look out ;) |
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| [22:43:53] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: just watched the proper ogg screencap video of elisa. it's not as bad as it was before for sure. still not my cup of tea though. way too much going on. I like the breadcrumb tabs on the browser effort though |
| [22:44:02] | Miranda_: | If I use my Xbox as a MythTV frontend, does that mean I'd have to stick with the xbox's retail remote control, or can I still use my HTPC remote attached to my backend server? |
| [22:44:02] | justinh: | an idea worth pinching I think |
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| [22:44:20] | justinh: | Miranda_: you're stuck with the xbox remote or a remote which can emulate it AFAIK |
| [22:44:23] | Chipdancer: | morning all |
| [22:44:30] | Miranda_: | justinh, okay, thank you. |
| [22:44:41] | justinh: | Miranda_: unless you use a USB remote receiver supported by linux of course |
| [22:45:09] | Chipdancer: | does anybody know if there is a way to get metadata information about recordings via the UPnP server? (so I can sort or display via recorded date etc) |
| [22:45:31] | Miranda_: | justinh, I think it woudl be easier if I just build a SFF box for the living room |
| [22:45:49] | Miranda_: | then I don't have to worry about RAM limitations, slow CPU speed, etc. |
| [22:45:56] | Miranda_: | oh, and no HD support. |
| [22:46:14] | justinh: | Miranda_: true. don't go for anything Via EPIA based if you're not fond of disappointment though |
| [22:46:37] | justinh: | mini-itx sure. just use a real cpu :) |
| [22:47:36] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [22:48:19] | justinh: | and don't think you can depend on xvmc either. it's not a silver bullet |
| [22:48:27] | Dagmar: | VIA: It's like buying a jigsaw puzzle, getting it home, and finding out that some of the pieces are slow as hell. |
| [22:48:38] | justinh: | roflmfao |
| [22:49:14] | justinh: | I can vouch for that. man, never again will I waste so much money & time on a small board |
| [22:49:32] | justinh: | haven't looked back since I upgraded to a real CPU |
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| [22:50:24] | AndyCap: | hmm, elisa was just a yum install away. |
| [22:50:58] | justinh: | ahh but will it blend? |
| [22:51:07] | AndyCap: | that remains to be seen. |
| [22:51:16] | AndyCap: | I'm Tom Dickson. :P |
| [22:52:28] | justinh: | their browsing paradigm was uber brave before. now it's just brave & seems to pinch ideas from the infamous 'rage'. can't see them adding media recording to it any time soon |
| [22:52:47] | AndyCap: | justinh: well, that's where my myth backend comes in... :P |
| [22:53:22] | justinh: | last time I tried it, I managed to make it crash about 10 times in as many minutes. but on the plus side it saw all my mythtv music, videos & recordings |
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| [22:53:56] | AndyCap: | hm, not too impressive yet. it didn't start. |
| [22:54:33] | justinh: | wonder why they re-jigged the old UI. maybe it was just too different |
| [22:54:43] | justinh: | other than the fact it looked sucky, I mean |
| [22:56:10] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, the LinuxMCE approach.... Take mythbackend, bolt on crap. ??? Profit! |
| [22:57:29] | justinh: | pluto are still more involved in linuxmce than some people think |
| [22:58:40] | AndyCap: | thought I saw another announcement on freshmeat the other day. for another media center project. |
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| [22:58:49] | iamlindoro_: | On a similar-but-unrelated note, how far off is MythUI, anyway? |
| [22:58:51] | justinh: | they've gone & put VDR in linuxmce now ya know. |
| [22:59:01] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: miles and miles. probably 0.22 |
| [22:59:17] | justinh: | being finished I mean |
| [22:59:19] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, weren't you saying they want to include ****-ng too? |
| [22:59:35] | justinh: | as in everything that uses UI widgets.. |
| [22:59:46] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: don't remember saying that |
| [23:00:02] | justinh: | but VDR's devs don't take a stand against it, that's for sure |
| [23:00:04] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, Ah, ok. Though I might play around with theming (to make something approachable for my mother) but seemed a waste to do so if it's all going to change |
| [23:00:48] | Dagmar: | It _needs_ tio |
| [23:00:50] | Dagmar: | s/tio/to/; |
| [23:00:58] | nordle: | Hello, Happy New Year! :) ok its a bit late. Does there need to be any specific permissions on /usr/local/share/mythtv? |
| [23:01:08] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: did you see the news that Gemstar are suing Virgin media for breaches of patents on EPG design? as in grid-based EPGs you can use to set up recordings.. |
| [23:01:16] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [23:01:21] | iamlindoro_: | ruh roh |
| [23:01:33] | Dagmar: | Patent trolls. |
| [23:01:34] | Dagmar: | They'll lose |
| [23:01:37] | iamlindoro_: | Mmmm, patent trollery |
| [23:01:38] | iamlindoro_: | hahaha |
| [23:01:40] | iamlindoro_: | jinx |
| [23:01:43] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: yeah. nasty. very vague & virgin's lawyers reckon there's no case |
| [23:01:48] | Miranda_: | justinh, I heard about that, that's about as stupid as me suing you because your computer screen has the same colors mine has. |
| [23:01:58] | justinh: | Miranda_: don't tempt me |
| [23:02:05] | iamlindoro_: | Hopefully Virgin puts a beating down on them and sets up a precedent... not that they can't try the same shenanigans in the US |
| [23:02:08] | AndyCap: | Miranda_: never heard of look'n'feel suits? |
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| [23:02:35] | justinh: | hmmm... application for patent.. description.. "the absorbtion of oxygen into the bloodstream..." |
| [23:03:03] | Dagmar: | I wrote a patent on sex once. The joke stopped being funny when I found out how much the application fees are |
| [23:03:14] | justinh: | I'm sorry. if you breathe, you need to talk money with me |
| [23:03:19] | Dagmar: | Still, had I submitted it twice, there's a good chance I would have gotten it. |
| [23:03:34] | Dagmar: | justinh: No, see, the point is to sue their elderly parents |
| [23:03:48] | justinh: | and everybody |
| [23:03:56] | Dagmar: | Just to get that whole "vicious exploitation of the legally vulnerable poor" thing going on |
| [23:04:05] | bsdfox__: | Dagmar: non obvious ... |
| [23:04:34] | justinh: | I'd give a good sum of money for an organisation to patent a whole raft of OSS methods & general stuff just so nobody else can do the same. patent to keep them free! |
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| [23:05:05] | Dagmar: | bsdfox__: You would be amazed at how far that definition goes once you introduce scientific terminology |
| [23:05:09] | justinh: | a lot like the BBC have done with their dirac codec. evil, but a necessary one |
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| [23:05:19] | AndyCap: | justinh: you think you're funny but you're not. :) http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP1846546.html |
| [23:05:19] | Dagmar: | Plus you get to bring people in to testify against their own parents |
| [23:05:22] | iamlindoro_: | I imagine the TV grids that have been in newspapers for decades probably make for decent prior art |
| [23:05:36] | Dagmar: | iamlndoro: Train schedules |
| [23:05:45] | iamlindoro_: | indeed, anything arranged in a grid, really |
| [23:05:59] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro_: you can't click them to record? and they're not a method and apparatus using a computer. |
| [23:06:11] | Miranda_: | AndyCap, what is that, beer? |
| [23:06:36] | AndyCap: | seems method and apparatus is well, the root password to the patent office. |
| [23:06:43] | iamlindoro_: | AndyCap, method and apparatus doesn't have to be the same to count as prior art |
| [23:07:14] | Miranda_: | We should just throw it out and chalk it up to 'standardization' |
| [23:07:46] | Dagmar: | An arrangement of non-overlapping rectangular segments representing blocks of time, as a mechanism for illustrating the relationships of multiple varied bodies of work over time. |
| [23:08:01] | AndyCap: | Miranda_: well, seems Seregei has gotten the bright idea to patent "not heavy" water |
| [23:08:03] | ** Dagmar ducks. ** | |
| [23:08:37] | AndyCap: | Miranda_: claiming that water with ever so slightly less deuterium in it is good for you. |
| [23:08:39] | Dagmar: | If you applied for it as the discovery of uses of dihydrogen monoxide as a cleaning agent you could probably get it |
| [23:08:54] | Miranda_: | Dagmar, I belive it's been done |
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| [23:08:56] | AndyCap: | not to mention that you won't get a hangover. |
| [23:09:06] | AndyCap: | Miranda_: nah, they've been trying to ban it. |
| [23:09:36] | Dagmar: | Miranda_: What do you think gave me the idea to draft patents on sex, and the crowning achievement, a detailed, 23 page patent on masturbation. |
| [23:09:36] | nordle: | MythPlugin::Init() dlerror: /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/liblibmythtream.so.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Anyone any suggestions as to whats with the liblib so.so madness? |
| [23:09:36] | justinh: | AndyCap: but you won't get drunk either – hey there's a research grant in there somewhere... tell people they're drinking really strong tasteless booze... see how many get drunk |
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| [23:09:46] | AndyCap: | ZOMG they use dihydrogen monoxide as an industrial solvent. the use it in herbicides, and they put it in childrens foood! |
| [23:09:50] | Dagmar: | You would think that I were describing an entire circus in the abstract |
| [23:10:13] | Dagmar: | The patent on masturbation was jsut for giggles |
| [23:10:38] | Dagmar: | "Have you been spanking your monkey? Gimme $1000 bucks and no one has to know." |
| [23:10:42] | Miranda_: | http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4300473.html |
| [23:10:43] | AndyCap: | justinh: mixing water with alcohol will get you drunk and and a hangover. :-) |
| [23:10:58] | AndyCap: | no matter how little deuterium is in your water. |
| [23:11:10] | Dagmar: | Hell, the MPAA are prosecuting suits for copyright infringement in such a way they can actually say no one made any copies and STILL get money so why not |
| [23:11:17] | justinh: | http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html – roflmfao again |
| [23:12:16] | AndyCap: | penn and teller's bullshit took a ban dhmo petition to a environmentalist rally in one of their episodes |
| [23:12:40] | Dagmar: | I remember that |
| [23:12:46] | Dagmar: | It was a thing of beauty. |
| [23:13:30] | Miranda_: | Does X need to be running before I start mythtv-setup, or will mythtv-setup start X by itself? |
| [23:13:35] | Dagmar: | hahah |
| [23:13:41] | Dagmar: | WHen has any X app ever started X for you? |
| [23:13:43] | AndyCap: | Miranda_: it needs X. |
| [23:13:54] | Miranda_: | sorry, I'm a CLI person |
| [23:14:08] | Miranda_: | point taken :) |
| [23:14:13] | Dagmar: | Woulld you expect a CLI to punt you back to VGA mode 1? |
| [23:14:15] | Dagmar: | Heh |
| [23:14:16] | AndyCap: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-qu_0KlMvw about 8 minutes out |
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| [23:15:05] | AndyCap: | penn and teller are evil. :-) |
| [23:15:13] | Dagmar: | No they're not. |
| [23:15:18] | Dagmar: | They're scientists. |
| [23:15:31] | Dagmar: | ...and great showmen. :) |
| [23:15:52] | AndyCap: | well, not all of their experiments are scientific. but yeah. they're fairly rational and I love them |
| [23:16:23] | AndyCap: | their guests do get enough rope to hang themselves |
| [23:16:28] | Dagmar: | When someone makes a really stupid argument, it begs being paralleled |
| [23:16:30] | Miranda_: | I love social experiments |
| [23:16:31] | nordle: | Can anyone tell me why mythtv is trying to load liblibmythstream.so.so and not libmythstream.so? |
| [23:16:41] | Dagmar: | nordie: because it's a plugin you may or may not have |
| [23:16:57] | nordle: | liblibmythstream.so.so does not exist, so why or how is it thinking it does exist? |
| [23:17:55] | nordle: | I could probably symlink liblibmythstream.so.so to libmythstream.so, but I'd like to understand whats calling it, where this reference is stored. |
| [23:18:22] | Dagmar: | Or, perhaps, you could find the person who compiled that and beat them with a stick |
| [23:18:26] | justinh: | nordle: installing to the wrong prefix, or something. I think the libliblibliblib bit is a typo in the source |
| [23:18:58] | justinh: | cba to report it as a bug cos it's funny |
| [23:19:05] | Dagmar: | Something went very wrong if that particular soname got compiled into a binary |
| [23:19:10] | nordle: | Dagmar: I'd have to beat myself over the head as I compiled it. I'll doulbe check the .pro and see if there is a hint there. |
| [23:19:14] | Dagmar: | hehe |
| [23:19:53] | iamlindoro_: | That's libmythstream as pronounced by max headroom |
| [23:20:06] | justinh: | nordle: running trunk? changes in config files etc because of the windows port (Ssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!) often mean needing to configure again after a make distclean |
| [23:20:22] | justinh: | and other stuff.. |
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| [23:20:42] | Dagmar: | Naughty naughyt unclean builds. Unclean! |
| [23:21:41] | nordle: | 0.20.2 I've just compiled mythstream from scratch, and checked the settings.pro and mythstream.pro, and there is nothing weird, all looks ok. |
| [23:22:03] | justinh: | did you check the prefix? |
| [23:22:04] | Dagmar: | You didn't happen to say, do a | tee logfile.txt 2>&1 did you |
| [23:22:16] | Dagmar: | So you could, you know, search the build output for signs of insanity |
| [23:22:22] | justinh: | /usr/ vs /usr/local |
| [23:23:53] | nordle: | http://pastebin.ca/872744 looks ok... |
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| [23:27:29] | nordle: | Dagmar: That | tee, should that be on the make command? |
| [23:29:01] | Dagmar: | Yep |
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| [23:29:19] | Dagmar: | I may have the arguments somewhat out of order, because bash syntax is a bit f**ked, but that's hte idea |
| [23:29:36] | Dagmar: | One of the most useful things about the build harness I use is that it logs pretty much everything |
| [23:30:01] | Dagmar: | I can not tell you how many times a compile failure or mistake has been something I could *grep* for |
| [23:30:10] | Dagmar: | ...and usually expect to find the issue |
| [23:30:26] | nordle: | I'll give it try now, thanks. |
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| [23:32:22] | nordle: | I used to have mythsream on my 0.18 install, and it worked well. Saves spendig $200 on a squeezebox! |
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| [23:34:22] | iamlindoro_: | That *does* bring up a good point... Perhaps the Mythstream guy should be the one to clean up his mess :) |
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| [23:36:40] | nordle: | I think its quite activeish, so I'm still thinking its something wrong with my environment, otherwise I would have thought someone else would have mentioned it. But I did/do not know how myth loads the plugins, so I could not check what it was trying to do, or what was telling it to try this. But this make check might be useful. |
| [23:38:13] | iamlindoro_: | IIRC everything calling it is in the theme.xml files... perhaps the implementation has changed since last time you compiled |
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| [23:56:21] | justinh: | myth looks in mythplugins within the libs dir IIRC. anything it finds there it notes as being available AFAIK |
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| [23:57:51] | nordle: | MythPlugin::Init() dlerror: /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/liblibmythtream.so.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| [23:58:18] | nordle: | I'm just going to contact the guy who codes it, I can't see where its going wrong. |
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