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| [00:00:12] | mzb: | I wouldn't think so |
| [00:00:14] | mzb: | try 0 or less |
| [00:00:41] | Aval0n: | it said old priority was 0 |
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| [00:00:51] | mzb: | +ve is "nice" ... ie. other tasks at 0 take priority |
| [00:01:01] | matty-: | The lower the number, the higher the priority |
| [00:01:19] | mzb: | -ve is "nasty" ... more likely to be "satisfied" ;)))) |
| [00:01:40] | mzb: | 0 is the default for most (user) processes |
| [00:02:04] | Aval0n: | so then i need to change nothing? |
| [00:02:08] | mzb: | going too low will cause contention(?) issues though, so watch top carefully |
| [00:02:53] | mzb: | probably not ... picking processes at random is not a good way of diagnosing ;) |
| [00:03:00] | mzb: | using top is handy |
| [00:03:05] | mzb: | try pressing "r" |
| [00:03:27] | mzb: | then copy+paste the id, and then type the priority |
| [00:03:34] | mzb: | much simpler on the fly |
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| [00:06:57] | mzb: | time to check server resync ... and reroute an aerial cable ... bbl |
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| [00:08:08] | mzb: | Aval0n: btw, install gkrellmd on the machine in question, then run $ gkrellm -s questionableMachine & |
| [00:08:19] | mzb: | very good in combination with top |
| [00:08:24] | mzb: | (over ssh) |
| [00:15:26] | Aval0n: | what does that do? |
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| [00:17:04] | nwidger: | if the option 'Create Audio CD from Playlist' when opening the Menu on a playlist in MythMusic is grayed, what do i have to install to enable that option? |
| [00:17:11] | zed2323: | I asked a while ago about my schedule listings not showing up, then got called away. Anyway, yes I've set up a lineup at schedulesdirect, set schedulesdirect as an video source, and defined an input connection associating it with my PVR card. And when I do mythfilldatabase, it says it's downloading a bunch of info, and connecting to the backend. |
| [00:17:21] | Aval0n: | The home directory `/var/run' already exists. Not copying from `/etc/skel'. |
| [00:17:21] | Aval0n: | adduser: Warning: that home directory does not belong to the user you are currently creating. |
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| [00:22:29] | justinh: | nwidger: you need some cd burning lib or other installed |
| [00:23:12] | portahex: | just a cdrecord binary iirc |
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| [00:23:43] | justinh: | heh that |
| [00:23:45] | Talim_1979: | Hi everyone. Problem: my rather large XFS/LVM partition is having problems, and when I run xfs_repair, it fails with an i/o error. Is there any way to get more use out of these disks, since data integrity is not a huge problem? |
| [00:24:27] | justinh: | ignore me. I'm too busy trying to come to terms with someone posting quite a wordy 'useability' post on the -dev list where they actually detail ways they think it could be improved |
| [00:26:05] | Aval0n: | justinh is priority 15 normal for mythfrontend? |
| [00:26:10] | jarle: | Could anybody please have a look at this frontend crash: http://pastebin.ca/867937 Not sure why myth tries to use xvmc on a mpeg4 stream? |
| [00:26:10] | Aval0n: | or should it be better |
| [00:26:30] | jarle: | This is trying to show BBC HD, and using the CPU+ playback profile... |
| [00:26:52] | nwidger: | justinh: ah okay, thanks |
| [00:26:55] | nwidger: | portahex: thanks :) |
| [00:26:55] | justinh: | Aval0n: effed if I know |
| [00:27:06] | nwidger: | portahex: i already have cdrecord :\ |
| [00:27:09] | Aval0n: | :P |
| [00:27:20] | justinh: | nwidger: there's also a setup option to enable cd burning |
| [00:27:32] | nwidger: | justinh: it's already enabled :\ |
| [00:27:54] | justinh: | nwidger: does the user you're running mythfrontend as have permission to write cds? |
| [00:27:57] | nwidger: | justinh: since i can already burn it as an MP3 |
| [00:28:06] | nwidger: | justinh: yeah, i just burned it as an MP3 CD |
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| [00:28:15] | mzb: | Aval0n: completely depends on your distro, and|or how the frontend is started |
| [00:28:36] | mzb: | btw: gkrellm is a real-time graph of everything going on in the system |
| [00:28:46] | justinh: | Aval0n: I just start mythfrontend with a normal command. no fanciness |
| [00:28:49] | mzb: | can't show you a pic atm, as my webserver (et al) is offline |
| [00:29:12] | justinh: | yay there's one less blog in the world ;) |
| [00:30:13] | mzb: | Aval0n: see http://dvd-baker.sourceforge.net/screenshots/ |
| [00:30:21] | mzb: | justinh: ;P |
| [00:30:26] | mzb: | it'll be back :) |
| [00:30:42] | justinh: | mzb: what's sourceforge like to use as the owner of a project? |
| [00:30:55] | justinh: | it's fecking awful for us users most of the time |
| [00:31:06] | nwidger: | justinh: do you know of any of binaries that are required |
| [00:31:07] | nwidger: | ? |
| [00:31:21] | mzb: | I've got two projects there ... doesn't seem to bad, but then I don't have much to compare it to |
| [00:31:23] | justinh: | nwidger: just cdrecord |
| [00:31:41] | iamlindoro_: | ooh, new nvidia drivers today |
| [00:31:53] | iamlindoro_: | that add... umm... not much. |
| [00:31:54] | justinh: | brace yourself everybody! |
| [00:31:59] | mzb: | the other is ramdisk-rescue, btw |
| [00:32:06] | justinh: | relp, relllllllllp! |
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| [00:32:13] | mzb: | neither are well maintained ;) |
| [00:32:42] | justinh: | mzb: just every time I go to check a thing out of SF it takes forever. if it succeeds at all :-\ |
| [00:33:12] | justinh: | I heard how rich their parent company is off the back of all the ads on there & it makes me kinda bitter about it |
| [00:33:12] | mzb: | I haven't noticed any problems |
| [00:33:44] | mzb: | Aval0n: "spikes" http://dvd-baker.sourceforge.net/screenshots/ . . . nshot2.shtml |
| [00:33:53] | mzb: | (something you won't pick up with top) |
| [00:33:55] | portahex: | iamlindoro, is the fan speed problem fixed? |
| [00:34:06] | iamlindoro_: | "Fixed a problem causing the fan on some GPUs to always run at full speed." |
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| [00:34:26] | portahex: | that's a yes then |
| [00:34:33] | portahex: | i should update on the wife's pc asap |
| [00:34:41] | jams: | justinh- from any point of view sourceforge is awful |
| [00:35:30] | justinh: | oh I wasn't considering using it for anything. just interested to know if it's any better for project maintainers |
| [00:35:44] | jams: | it isn't |
| [00:35:57] | mzb: | better than what? |
| [00:36:03] | jester05: | hey guys, i have a mythbox running mythbuntu, p4 2.26ghz 1.5g ddr... for some reason its using all the ram i have and getting up to 50mb used of swap.. any clues at to why? |
| [00:36:12] | jester05: | its running as front & backend |
| [00:36:14] | justinh: | easier than running your own web facing svn repo I guess |
| [00:36:17] | jester05: | but its a standalone system |
| [00:36:58] | mzb: | it's big enough that there is no infighting and bickering about who does what, what gets done, etc ... and there are quite a few usable services ... like I said, no complaints. |
| [00:37:06] | mzb: | but then nothing to compare it to |
| [00:37:55] | justinh: | mzb: it took well over an hour to check out XBMC the other week. I only wanted to take a peek at their source |
| [00:37:57] | mzb: | justinh: not enough bandwidth for that |
| [00:38:03] | mzb: | (for me to host it) |
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| [00:38:29] | justinh: | mzb: nor me. not at the rate themes get snarfed |
| [00:38:51] | justinh: | hmm interesting post on a ML about teletext extra |
| [00:39:29] | jester05: | anyone else have probs w/ myth eating ram? |
| [00:40:13] | mzb: | but for eg, I had (have?) an automatic build system for RR, whereby it would sync the svn tree for RR and openembedded, then build kernels and userland for all the supported machines, upload the images and kernels to my ISP's personal webspace, etc ... quite neat ... no issues |
| [00:40:29] | justinh: | jester05: IME linux leaves very little 'free' ram anyway. top is a better indicator of what's using how much memory |
| [00:40:44] | mzb: | except I did have to block search engines from my site at that point as they were taking too much bandwidth when I needed it |
| [00:40:51] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Did you read this one? "So, if SVN is the most stable, and has a ton of bug fixes/new features, |
| [00:40:52] | iamlindoro_: | why not just release it as is? Release Early, Release Often, has its |
| [00:40:52] | iamlindoro_: | benefits. Why not make the 2 months from now release 0.22? What would it |
| [00:40:52] | iamlindoro_: | hurt? It would allow people to just "apt-get update" (or whatever) all |
| [00:40:52] | iamlindoro_: | the hard work that was added to Myth, that is out of reach of a lot of |
| [00:40:53] | iamlindoro_: | people." |
| [00:40:55] | iamlindoro_: | gah |
| [00:40:57] | mzb: | (was on 128Kbut up at that point) |
| [00:40:58] | iamlindoro_: | stupid line breaks |
| [00:41:09] | jester05: | justinh, what is IME? |
| [00:41:17] | justinh: | in my experience |
| [00:41:26] | jester05: | oo |
| [00:41:46] | justinh: | Mem: 515940 511316 4624. the last number is 'free' |
| [00:41:49] | jester05: | my other os's dont take hardly any ram at all |
| [00:42:07] | mzb: | *nix will buffer and cache a lot of it's work in "free" RAM |
| [00:42:15] | jester05: | i have 1.5g in my myth system and it has 3.1% free |
| [00:42:16] | mzb: | it's a feature |
| [00:43:31] | portahex: | vista does that too |
| [00:43:36] | justinh: | jester05: is the box working properly to all other intents & purposes? |
| [00:43:36] | portahex: | lots of people moan about it |
| [00:43:40] | jester05: | ok well heres the thing.. as if right now i'm borrowing some ram from a friend... he may be selling it to me bc its from an old box he may part out.. in the event that i dont buy it from him i want to know if i'll be ok w/ the 512mb that i have of my own or if i should buy another gig |
| [00:44:08] | jester05: | it seems to be which is why i didnt understand why it was eating so much ram |
| [00:44:10] | justinh: | jester05: top is your friend. if mythfrontend isn't eating too much ram then you have enough |
| [00:44:27] | jester05: | ok |
| [00:44:37] | jester05: | it seems to be great |
| [00:45:23] | justinh: | linux just manages memory differently to Windows XYZ, and doesnt tend to lie about where it all goes |
| [00:45:27] | jester05: | justinh, what sort of remote do you use |
| [00:45:46] | justinh: | OneForAll 6 |
| [00:46:20] | justinh: | custom programmed with a JP1 cable, made my own code to control mythtv. learned the codes with irrecord & my home made IR receiver |
| [00:46:20] | jester05: | so is that a standard IR universal remote or is it geared to work w/ pcs? |
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| [00:46:26] | jester05: | i'm trying to decide what to do... |
| [00:46:38] | justinh: | standard IR remote like you can buy in any electrical shop |
| [00:46:55] | jester05: | how'd you get lirc to work w/ it... raw mode? |
| [00:47:06] | justinh: | jester05: MCE remotes are reckoned to be a good purchase. they work in linux too |
| [00:47:28] | jester05: | could i also control my tv w/ one? |
| [00:47:30] | justinh: | didn't need raw mode. it's RC5 protocol :) |
| [00:47:42] | mzb: | jester05: my two frontends (also have backends) only have 256MB RAM |
| [00:47:43] | jester05: | i'd like to just use a typical tv remote |
| [00:47:49] | justinh: | jester05: only volume & power – if you program it (assuming it's one that can be programmed) |
| [00:47:56] | mzb: | (for SD playback) |
| [00:48:12] | justinh: | mzb: I can tell you dont use blootube-wide :D |
| [00:48:13] | jester05: | alright |
| [00:48:18] | mzb: | :) |
| [00:48:43] | jester05: | my pc seems to do hd fine but its only a 2.26ghz p4 |
| [00:48:52] | jester05: | and that was when i was only running 512mb |
| [00:48:58] | justinh: | jester05: you must mean mpeg2 HD |
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| [00:49:16] | jester05: | ? |
| [00:49:18] | jester05: | maybe lol |
| [00:49:22] | jester05: | i dunno what that means |
| [00:49:24] | jarle: | in trunk there is no single place to turn off xvmc anymore? I just have to edit playback profiles? |
| [00:49:35] | mzb: | yes |
| [00:49:44] | mzb: | (afaik) |
| [00:49:57] | mzb: | time to check resync |
| [00:49:58] | mzb: | bbl |
| [00:50:08] | justinh: | whoah! teletext extra has 14 day EPG over the air |
| [00:51:07] | jester05: | so justin how did you program your remote control to work w/ the tv.. what code did you have to set it for |
| [00:51:33] | jarle: | justinh: do you get BBC HD ? |
| [00:51:54] | justinh: | the manual for the remote has numbers representing TVs & I just looked up my Panasonic TV & set it in the remote :) |
| [00:52:09] | justinh: | jarle: nope |
| [00:52:51] | jester05: | justin, i mean for the computer ir receiver |
| [00:53:35] | jarle: | justinh: OK, it is FTA on dvb-s but my frontend keeps segfaulting after a short time... I'll give it a try on another frontend with better CPU/gfx card... |
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| [00:54:39] | portahex: | justinh, you're not suggesting screen-scraping MHEG are you? |
| [00:56:03] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro: I don't see slow delete under general settings |
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| [00:56:19] | justinh: | portahex: not sure it's MHEG. doh but if it's only updated at 3am every night that means it's useless for replacing EIT |
| [00:56:34] | Aval0n: | anyone know where to enable slow delete? |
| [00:57:15] | justinh: | Aval0n: general page somewhere in mythtv-setup IIRC |
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| [00:57:53] | Dillweed: | is there any work getting mythtv working with qt4? Using Archlinux seems to bork qt3 and qt4. Just wondering :) |
| [00:58:56] | justinh: | Dillweed: yeah. see the qt4 branch |
| [00:59:02] | Aval0n: | justing looking, dont see it |
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| [00:59:16] | Aval0n: | what's IIRC? |
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| [00:59:24] | Dillweed: | how stable is it? I did see that branch, but was wondering if it was stable enough for production use. |
| [00:59:26] | |rt|: | If I Recall Correctly |
| [01:00:00] | Aval0n: | ahh |
| [01:00:07] | Aval0n: | been through it twice |
| [01:00:09] | Aval0n: | I'm SVN |
| [01:00:16] | Aval0n: | maybe it's changed? |
| [01:00:24] | jams: | Dillweed- it might compile, that should tell you everything you need to know. |
| [01:00:30] | Dillweed: | Archlinux has totally moved to qt4 and removed qt3. you can install qt3, but it seems more like a hack. |
| [01:00:35] | justinh: | Dillweed: it's a branch so consider it very much a work in progress |
| [01:00:46] | Dillweed: | lol, ok |
| [01:01:09] | Dillweed: | i guess I should try it. |
| [01:01:25] | justinh: | if it was me I'd be dumping arghhhlinux |
| [01:01:51] | justinh: | archlinux sounds like the new 'it' distro |
| [01:02:10] | Dillweed: | I guess I was checking to see if anyone else has tried the qt4 branch. I don't want to get in distro way, but i really like arch, after trying all the others. |
| [01:02:16] | Dillweed: | war* |
| [01:02:37] | jams: | justinh- despite the increase of idiots i really like the way it works. |
| [01:02:50] | justinh: | if it's just for a myth box, why not just rip qt4 out & install qt3 ? |
| [01:03:09] | Dillweed: | why what distro does everyone use? BTW, I've been using arch for about a year now, so I don't think I'm a total idiot at arch. |
| [01:03:18] | justinh: | jams: I've considered it more than once |
| [01:03:26] | jams: | been using it for a couple years now |
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| [01:03:44] | portahex: | justinh, it's definitely the new "it" distro |
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| [01:04:00] | Dillweed: | jams: have you update your distro lately and had problems with the qt3 to qt4 conversion? |
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| [01:04:03] | justinh: | starting to see an increasing number of people come in here trying to do silly things, and they tend to be archy |
| [01:04:21] | portahex: | justinh, migration away from gentoo, and towards arch |
| [01:04:24] | jams: | Dillweed- ihave not updated in a while. |
| [01:04:31] | jams: | maybe amonth of so. |
| [01:04:34] | Dillweed: | justinh: what distro are you using? |
| [01:04:39] | portahex: | i want people to picl GoboLinux as the new "it" distro, it's actually interesting! |
| [01:04:41] | justinh: | gentoo begat arch? |
| [01:04:48] | Dillweed: | jams: just be forewarned. |
| [01:04:53] | portahex: | justinh, not at all, but the user bases seem similar |
| [01:04:56] | Dillweed: | no arch came from crux. |
| [01:05:01] | jams: | Dillweed- nothing i can't handle |
| [01:05:04] | Dillweed: | heh |
| [01:05:23] | Dillweed: | or was inspired by crux. |
| [01:05:34] | justinh: | I use whateverIfindeasiestatthetime-ux |
| [01:05:46] | Dillweed: | ubuntu? |
| [01:05:54] | portahex: | gobolinux. because having the default path for xorg be /Programs/Xorg/7.2/ is sorta cool |
| [01:05:55] | justinh: | at the moment, yes |
| [01:06:27] | Dillweed: | anyways, so no one has any experience with the qt4 branch? bummer, I guess I've have to do the testing. |
| [01:06:30] | jams: | portahex- i did look at gobolinux, decent concept. |
| [01:06:31] | justinh: | had gentoo, slack, slack, minimyth, slack – ubuntu is pretty hassle free |
| [01:06:45] | Aval0n: | anyone know where slow deletion option is? |
| [01:06:48] | portahex: | jams, evil hack, in all the right ways :) |
| [01:06:57] | Aval0n: | I've looked under general and tv settings/general |
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| [01:07:00] | Aval0n: | no dice |
| [01:07:01] | Aval0n: | SVN |
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| [01:07:29] | justinh: | Aval0n: try some mysql to find it. SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value LIKE "%slow%"; perhaps |
| [01:07:41] | Dillweed: | Aval0n; have you looked on the wiki? |
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| [01:08:02] | justinh: | Dillweed: wiki isn't up to speed with trunk yet. not by a very long way |
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| [01:08:17] | jams: | Aval0n- it's under general settings mythtv-setup |
| [01:08:24] | Dillweed: | I'd think that would be on the wiki, because I've seen it before. |
| [01:08:26] | justinh: | jams: that's what I said |
| [01:08:29] | jams: | 2nd or 3rd page |
| [01:08:29] | Dillweed: | on the wiki |
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| [01:08:55] | jams: | justinh- good chance he's looking at the frontend setttings then. |
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| [01:10:13] | ** jams wonders how long be mytharch arrives ** | |
| [01:10:17] | jams: | before |
| [01:10:46] | jams: | gobomyth is more fun to say |
| [01:10:56] | justinh: | I don't mind waiting :P |
| [01:11:25] | Dillweed: | didn't take mythbuntu long to show up. Anyways, what's wrong with archlinux. bring on the flamewar |
| [01:11:27] | jams: | heh |
| [01:11:28] | justinh: | see linuxmce have taken in VDR now. wth are they up to? |
| [01:11:33] | ** Dillweed puts on flame retardant. ** | |
| [01:13:13] | portahex: | justinh, they want to champion use of a certain loopback device layer, and vdr is where experience lies! |
| [01:13:50] | justinh: | ah jumping onto the wrong side of the tracks eh? ho ho ho |
| [01:14:11] | jarle: | portahex: loopback rules.... |
| [01:14:38] | justinh: | does it have legitimate uses though, that is the question |
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| [01:16:11] | mkrufky: | loopback opens the door to many possibilities |
| [01:16:25] | mkrufky: | and it also opens the door for device manufacturers to totally screw linux |
| [01:16:58] | justinh: | I'm only aware of one. non-hardware based decrippling. or am I thinking of something else? |
| [01:16:58] | mkrufky: | i want loopback (both v4l and dvb) to be merged into the kernel, but......... well, it really could end up badly |
| [01:16:59] | portahex: | mount -o loop |
| [01:17:02] | portahex: | zomg! |
| [01:17:07] | mkrufky: | oh, well thats just fine |
| [01:17:15] | mkrufky: | im talking about loopback for dvb drivers |
| [01:17:17] | mkrufky: | or v4l drivers |
| [01:17:17] | mkrufky: | ie: |
| [01:17:27] | jarle: | justinh: I would say not having to have one subscription for each tuner is a legitimate use... |
| [01:17:39] | mkrufky: | a kernel loopback would take in the stream from a (potentially binarry) driver in userspace, anbd feed that to kernel demuxer |
| [01:17:56] | portahex: | jarle, not according to the terms of your provider contract it isn't |
| [01:17:59] | mkrufky: | its is a loophole to allow manufacturers to release binary-only drivers |
| [01:18:03] | justinh: | jarle: depends on your provider's T&Cs rather |
| [01:18:06] | mkrufky: | and we need to try to avoid that |
| [01:18:36] | justinh: | how big a step is it away from black boxes they call firmware though? |
| [01:18:46] | mkrufky: | firmware runs inside the device |
| [01:18:51] | Aval0n: | still looking for 'slow deletes' anyone know what menu it's in? |
| [01:18:53] | mkrufky: | not on your system CPU |
| [01:19:00] | justinh: | Aval0n: in mythtv-setup! |
| [01:19:02] | Aval0n: | i've looked under general and tv settings/general |
| [01:19:08] | Aval0n: | so it's backened |
| [01:19:10] | Aval0n: | ok duh |
| [01:19:17] | justinh: | Aval0n: MYTHTV-SETUP! |
| [01:19:20] | mkrufky: | "slow deletes" — what is that? |
| [01:19:20] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [01:19:24] | Aval0n: | thanks justinh |
| [01:19:30] | Aval0n: | THANKS JUSTINH |
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| [01:19:52] | justinh: | four times. jees. I wonder why I'm going grey |
| [01:20:12] | mkrufky: | uh, oh. .. did i ask something you've already answered thrice? |
| [01:20:18] | ** mkrufky checks the logs ** | |
| [01:20:23] | Aval0n: | sorry didn't see you say it before |
| [01:20:26] | justinh: | mkrufky: nah not you. Aval0n :) |
| [01:20:29] | Aval0n: | i'm on and off the laptop |
| [01:20:30] | mkrufky: | ok |
| [01:20:43] | Aval0n: | probably just missed it |
| [01:20:52] | Aval0n: | and this is bX so I didn't just scroll up :P |
| [01:20:58] | justinh: | mkrufky: seen people moan that firmwares are binary blobs & are therefore bad. kinda similar in principle I guess |
| [01:21:11] | mkrufky: | similar but not exactly the same thing |
| [01:21:34] | justinh: | similar in principle in that you can't just take a peek inside & fix stuff |
| [01:21:35] | mkrufky: | we wouldnt want such a binary blob to be present INSIDE the driver..... thats why we read it from the filesystem, instead |
| [01:21:54] | mkrufky: | well..... one can if they know how to use a disassembler |
| [01:22:06] | justinh: | mkrufky: can you honestly see that ever becoming an issue? cablecards aside of course |
| [01:22:18] | mkrufky: | that == vloopback ? |
| [01:22:31] | mkrufky: | or firmware? |
| [01:22:39] | justinh: | vloopback |
| [01:22:53] | justinh: | binary only drivers.. yucky |
| [01:23:11] | mkrufky: | im pretty sure that if vloopback were in the kernel, we'd have a ton more binary-only drivers already by now, and much less open source drivers |
| [01:23:17] | justinh: | it'll be like Windows device support then. might work, might not |
| [01:23:38] | justinh: | no way to fix it without reverse-ifying it |
| [01:23:41] | mkrufky: | but... on the other hand....... there are soooo many cool things that you can do with something like vloopback that are truly worthwhile |
| [01:24:05] | portahex: | e.g. |
| [01:24:40] | mkrufky: | one thing that i'd like to do one day........ i'd like to create a windows app that ACTS like a hdhomerun, and a linux app that speaks to the windows app over the network, and feeds the data into a vloopback, and then linux would hanbdle the data as if it came from a local capture card |
| [01:24:42] | justinh: | so other than theft of services, possibly allowing people to violate providers' T&Cs... ? |
| [01:25:37] | justinh: | mkrufky: wouldn't necessarily need a vloopback to do that. |
| [01:25:46] | jester05: | oh man theres gonna be a weddin |
| [01:25:47] | jester05: | lol |
| [01:25:57] | mkrufky: | you would if you want to use standard linux interfaces |
| [01:25:59] | Aval0n: | I don't have a kb/mouse to connect to the box atm, where in the database would slow deletes be located |
| [01:26:05] | Aval0n: | I'll ust use phpmyadmin |
| [01:26:17] | clever_: | mkrufky: cant you just have the windows software emulate a network recording box and not need a vloopback? |
| [01:26:37] | mkrufky: | you're thinking in terms of mythtv |
| [01:26:39] | justinh: | Aval0n: hint.. it's a setting. hmm where are settings stored? some table where settings might be stored... hrm.. |
| [01:26:42] | clever_: | Aval0n: i think its in the settings table |
| [01:26:45] | mkrufky: | im thinking in terms of device nodes |
| [01:27:02] | Aval0n: | TruncateDeletesSlowly |
| [01:27:02] | mkrufky: | so that _any_ app can use it, with the standard api |
| [01:27:06] | clever_: | mkrufky: ive seen mention of a v4l loopback with the motion program before |
| [01:27:13] | Aval0n: | justdave: I meant what the value of the srting would be called |
| [01:27:17] | Aval0n: | I gather it's under settings :) |
| [01:27:25] | clever_: | mkrufky: so motion could watch a webcam for motion and make a loopback of the cam to use elsewhere |
| [01:27:27] | Aval0n: | justinh: above message intended for you |
| [01:27:27] | mkrufky: | such a driver does exist, clever_ , just not merged in-kernel |
| [01:27:32] | Aval0n: | TruncateDeletesSlowly <-- that it? |
| [01:27:33] | clever_: | yeah |
| [01:27:42] | clever_: | it just needs to be built manualy |
| [01:27:45] | portahex: | mkrufky, try drawing parallels to uinput |
| [01:27:59] | justinh: | Aval0n: will you do me a frickin favour & READ the text people are putting in front of you please? |
| [01:28:19] | Aval0n: | justinh: what did I miss this time? |
| [01:28:29] | justinh: | mkrufky: FWIW I personally think keeping drivers free & open is paramount above all else |
| [01:28:31] | mkrufky: | so, technically, vendors CAN release binary only drivers, if they want to explain to users how to install vloopback, etc ...... but it vloopback were already merged into the kernel, it would be like handing the binary driver ability over to those vendors on a silver platter |
| [01:28:36] | Aval0n: | I would say the same to you |
| [01:28:46] | mkrufky: | justinh: i agree |
| [01:28:59] | Aval0n: | I said "I gather it's under settings" I just need to know what the string would be called |
| [01:29:08] | mkrufky: | unfortunately, people cant be trusted to Do The Right Thing |
| [01:29:22] | Aval0n: | TruncateDeletesSlowly <-- looks like it could be it.. just not sure |
| [01:29:33] | fryfrog: | Aval0n: I'd start with... %Delete% |
| [01:29:35] | clever_: | and what would the 'enabled' value be |
| [01:29:37] | fryfrog: | ah, looks like you found it :) |
| [01:29:39] | justinh: | do we get a vote to keep vloopback out? |
| [01:29:48] | justinh: | I'll pay! |
| [01:29:49] | fryfrog: | what is it now? 0? I'd guess "1" :) |
| [01:29:50] | Aval0n: | ok cool thanks fryfrog |
| [01:29:53] | Aval0n: | yeah :) |
| [01:29:53] | mkrufky: | imagine how much less work i would do — just recompile all my company's drivers under linux and release as binary |
| [01:29:59] | Aval0n: | I know just wanna make sure it's the right entry |
| [01:30:00] | mkrufky: | (yuck) |
| [01:30:17] | justinh: | wonder what the FSF would have to say about it |
| [01:30:18] | clever_: | mkrufky: IO from userspace is problematic |
| [01:30:26] | mkrufky: | clever_: details |
| [01:30:27] | clever_: | mkrufky: and irq from userspace i think would be imposible |
| [01:30:30] | mkrufky: | (you're right) |
| [01:30:40] | clever_: | ive read the ldd3 book from front to back |
| [01:30:48] | clever_: | i know how to make proper linux modules for drivers |
| [01:30:49] | fryfrog: | I just upped my ivtv buffers option, hope it fixes the occasional buffer overrun I get. Is there any way to see how the buffers are going along when recording? |
| [01:30:50] | mkrufky: | actually... important detail .... |
| [01:30:55] | mkrufky: | very good point, clever_ |
| [01:31:00] | clever_: | hacking it into a userspace program would have problems |
| [01:31:07] | justinh: | ahh none of this will stop the 1337 from getting their TV stealing hacks into the kernel. muhahahahaha |
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| [01:31:27] | clever_: | the book does mention having a very weak kernel space module to do the stuff userspace cant |
| [01:31:38] | clever_: | so 90% of your dev work could be outside in userspace |
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| [01:31:51] | mkrufky: | clever_: actually.... its not that impossible.... . say, for instance .... vendor X has a device that uses something like cx88, and unsupported tuner + demods |
| [01:31:52] | clever_: | just so you can mes with the design of the code in a place where it cant kill the whole box |
| [01:31:54] | justinh: | and i know it's not all about illegal $stuff but the complete & utter nature of legal stuff now is based upon guilt by association |
| [01:32:17] | mkrufky: | clever_: then, all they have to do is handle the i2c clients from userspace.... no worry about irqs at all |
| [01:32:27] | clever_: | mkrufky: yeah they could build arround existing modules in the kernel and have patches in userspace to tweak the card directly |
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| [01:32:36] | mkrufky: | in fact, markus rechberger is already working on that type of workaround |
| [01:32:46] | clever_: | but they cant do the entire driver in userspace |
| [01:32:51] | mkrufky: | (people disagreed with it for this very reason) |
| [01:33:02] | clever_ is now known as clever | |
| [01:33:18] | mkrufky: | you're right |
| [01:33:25] | clever: | ive used the 'atitvout' program before |
| [01:33:33] | clever: | it works from console mode even! |
| [01:33:35] | justinh: | maybe non-free/non-open drivers won't be a bad thing. I mean it's not impossible for stuff to just work (tm) and free as in beer people will be happy with that (mostly me but I'm starting to veer toward Free with a capital F) |
| [01:33:40] | clever: | so it doesnt talk to the xorg drivers |
| [01:34:00] | clever: | it feels like the atitvout program goes directly to the card to set the tvout mode and stuff |
| [01:34:03] | mkrufky: | justinh: yes, but NOW consider mythtv ...... people will have more than 1 device in their system |
| [01:34:10] | justinh: | on the other side, with closed drivers can come unseen restrictions.. ugh |
| [01:34:16] | mkrufky: | justinh: how can we ever know those drivers will play nice? |
| [01:34:23] | clever: | which is also part of why it breaks the h/v freq's and i need to cycle the thing a bit to get a valid tv signal |
| [01:34:52] | mkrufky: | another thing...... there's always some sort of refactoring work going on somewhere in the kernel that ends up making very small changes across the entire tree |
| [01:34:52] | justinh: | mkrufky: you've talked me out of even considering vloopbacks could be a good thing then |
| [01:35:00] | justinh: | completely |
| [01:35:03] | mkrufky: | binary drivers would not be fixable |
| [01:35:06] | clever: | the driver could also be designed to panic the system if it detects a special defect in the signal |
| [01:35:14] | clever: | and then sell the info to the cable company |
| [01:35:15] | mkrufky: | justinh: yeah, im good at arguing both sides :-) |
| [01:35:26] | clever: | heres how to kill the posibly pirating computers! |
| [01:35:30] | justinh: | I mean who gives a F if subscribers have to pay for extra cards. they would if they had extra STBs |
| [01:36:15] | mkrufky: | justinh: vloopback is definately a good thing..... the only problem is that one can do some pretty bad things with it :-/ |
| [01:36:28] | mkrufky: | lol, nothing is perfect |
| [01:36:30] | justinh: | a lot like Caxton's press :D |
| [01:37:44] | mkrufky: | that totally went above MY head |
| [01:37:52] | justinh: | mkrufky: printing press ;) |
| [01:37:54] | mkrufky: | google knows what it is, wikipedia doesnt |
| [01:38:08] | ** portahex makes sure the serfs don't gain literacy ** | |
| [01:38:12] | mkrufky: | yeah... i think i just hit 8:38 stupid minute |
| [01:38:34] | justinh: | the proles are revolting. nothing new there |
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| [01:45:10] | justinh: | oh noes! another recording ruined by that ravy davy wavy gravy bloke in the corner |
| [01:47:14] | cafuego: | sorry |
| [01:50:42] | iamlindoro_: | I'm going to start my own distro. It'll be called Gruebuntu. The only piece of software it will run is Zork. Which you will have to apt-get. And all error messages will be replaced with "It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a Grue." |
| [01:51:04] | justinh: | rofl |
| [01:51:08] | iamlindoro_: | </Public Service announcement> |
| [01:52:48] | iamlindoro_: | GrueBuntu 7.10 Gallant Grue |
| [01:53:25] | justinh: | at least package maintenance will be easy for you |
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| [01:54:00] | iamlindoro_: | requires vt 100 terminal or better. 5 1/4" disk recommended. |
| [01:54:39] | iamlindoro_: | sudo north. Sudo northeast. |
| [01:54:53] | iamlindoro_: | hit troll with sword. |
| [01:54:56] | iamlindoro_: | *sigh* |
| [01:55:00] | iamlindoro_: | sudo hit troll with sword. |
| [01:55:08] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [01:55:09] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | iamlindoro_: Awesome-- a use for my 486 laptop! Oh, wait... it doesn't have a 5 1/4" floppy... darn... |
| [01:55:26] | J-e-f-f-A-2 is now known as J-e-f-f-A | |
| [01:55:45] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A: Who needs all those colors, anyway |
| [01:56:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: I think mplayer has an ascii/ansi output mode... ;-) (Really!) |
| [01:57:13] | iamlindoro_: | Amusingly, the UI will still be more intuitive than LinuxMCE |
| [01:57:20] | portahex: | J-e-f-f-A, aalib |
| [01:58:10] | portahex: | -vo aa |
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| [01:59:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | portahex: hehe.... too bad it's not color... ;-) |
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| [02:01:24] | hatchmt: | So I moved my database over to a different machine to offload the sql processing, and now it says it cannot connect to the master backend. I have the ip address set correctly via mythtv-setup and the frontend is running on the same machine as the backend. When the database is moved *back* to the same machine, it works fine. Why would moving the database make the backend inaccessable? |
| [02:01:36] | hatchmt: | the database is accessible as it says it connects successfully and all my settings are there |
| [02:01:50] | hatchmt: | and yes, the backend is running |
| [02:02:35] | iamlindoro_: | mysql.txt |
| [02:02:40] | hatchmt: | nope |
| [02:02:43] | hatchmt: | already checked that |
| [02:02:53] | hatchmt: | that was keeping the frontend from running in the first place |
| [02:03:05] | hatchmt: | once I changed the db host in that, the frontend loaded just fine |
| [02:05:39] | hatchmt: | huh... |
| [02:05:44] | hatchmt: | 2008-01–21 19:04:53.720 MythSocket(b7b4db20:20): new socket |
| [02:05:45] | hatchmt: | 2008-01–21 19:04:53.721 MythSocket(b7b4db20:20): attempting connect() to (172.16.110.12:6543) |
| [02:05:45] | hatchmt: | 2008-01–21 19:04:53.721 MythSocket(b7b4db20:20): connect() failed (ConnectionRefused) |
| [02:05:45] | hatchmt: | 2008-01–21 19:04:53.721 MythSocket(b7b4db20:20): DownRef: -1 |
| [02:05:45] | hatchmt: | 2008-01–21 19:04:53.721 MythSocket(b7b4db20:-1): delete socket |
| [02:05:45] | hatchmt: | 2008-01–21 19:04:53.721 Connection timed out. |
| [02:05:48] | hatchmt: | You probably should modify the Master Server |
| [02:05:50] | hatchmt: | settings in the setup program and set the |
| [02:05:52] | hatchmt: | proper IP address. |
| [02:05:56] | hatchmt: | weird |
| [02:05:59] | hatchmt: | that makes no sense |
| [02:06:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | hatchmt: use pastbin .... |
| [02:06:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | er.. pastebin.ca |
| [02:06:44] | hatchmt: | for 9 lines of text? bah... :) |
| [02:07:34] | iamlindoro_: | It's also possible your database still sefers to the old hostname/IP |
| [02:07:37] | iamlindoro_: | er refers |
| [02:07:45] | iamlindoro_: | or "localhost" |
| [02:09:52] | iamlindoro_: | This will all be a moot point once myth uses an internal SQL server, of course... |
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| [02:11:24] | jams: | which i hope it never gets |
| [02:11:28] | hatchmt: | is that in the works? |
| [02:11:33] | hatchmt: | I'd rather keep it separate too |
| [02:11:57] | iamlindoro_: | So sayeth the Wiki/FAQ, so say we all. |
| [02:12:35] | bsdfox_: | man I just upgraded to gigabit and I'm getting like 40mb/s :( |
| [02:12:39] | hatchmt: | thing is — the backend was never set to localhost. I've always used the system's IP address, which hasn't changed. |
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| [02:15:08] | hatchmt: | huh — mythbackend isn't listening on port 6543 anymore. |
| [02:15:12] | hatchmt: | that's weird |
| [02:16:22] | hatchmt: | yet if I open mythtv-setup, port is set to 6543 and status port is 6544 |
| [02:17:47] | iamlindoro_: | Who starts mythbackend? Is *that* user's mysql.txt correct? (probably /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt and/or /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt) |
| [02:18:04] | hatchmt: | hmmm |
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| [02:19:21] | hatchmt: | ah ha |
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| [02:19:33] | hatchmt: | I didn't realize that the backend user needed mysql.txt to be modified too. |
| [02:19:37] | hatchmt: | that did the trick |
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| [02:20:05] | hatchmt: | heh — yeah, I had checked it for the frontend user |
| [02:20:12] | hatchmt: | I didn't even realize the backend user had one |
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| [02:43:18] | Toxicity999: | This is getting obnoxious >< Myth keeps segging during TV playback, sometimes locking up the systme with it... other video playback seems fine. |
| [02:43:21] | Toxicity999: | *face desk* |
| [02:43:38] | clever: | get a backtrace! |
| [02:43:47] | Toxicity999: | I know, I know |
| [02:43:49] | clever: | :P |
| [02:43:51] | Toxicity999: | too late to bother. |
| [02:44:00] | clever: | and my head hurts here:P |
| [02:44:36] | Toxicity999: | I distinctly rememebr it happening on this same mobo/proc before too, the same old video card was fine in the last build. |
| [02:45:03] | clever: | memtest86+ ! |
| [02:45:11] | Toxicity999: | doubtable |
| [02:45:21] | Toxicity999: | had no issues as my main desktop 2 days ago |
| [02:45:29] | Toxicity999: | for use over a year |
| [02:45:37] | clever: | and my head hurts here:P |
| [02:45:39] | clever: | oops |
| [02:45:41] | clever: | get a backtrace! |
| [02:45:42] | clever: | :P |
| [02:45:44] | fryfrog: | never hurts to eliminate a potential problem |
| [02:45:57] | Toxicity999: | it does at 10pm |
| [02:46:21] | ** clever goes off to sleep ** | |
| [02:46:28] | Toxicity999: | I can't for the life of me remember what I did to fix it. |
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| [03:05:10] | xanderp: | anyone using the pchdtv5500 in an amd64 distro? |
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| [03:10:44] | Tanthrix: | Toxicity999: That's why I usually try to document my linux / myth installs. It saves so much time it isn't even funny, and only takes a few minutes to make a text file of steps to follow. |
| [03:11:21] | Toxicity999: | yeaaaa but I didn't think I would be building a new computer for a long time. |
| [03:11:30] | Toxicity999: | the hardware on it now is my old desktop build |
| [03:11:35] | Toxicity999: | which I used to use dual head for myth |
| [03:11:46] | Toxicity999: | then I dug up some old hardware |
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| [03:18:01] | fryfrog: | anyone use one of those consumer NAS do-dads? |
| [03:18:39] | Toxicity999: | Nope, looks like something fun to play with though |
| [03:19:03] | fryfrog: | i was just reading about one on dansdata.com, i think it'll be a good solution instead of making a linux file server for them. |
| [03:19:15] | fryfrog: | but i sort of wonder good places to read stuff about tem :/ |
| [03:19:22] | Toxicity999: | I would assume most just accept DHCP, and support NFS/Samba etc mounting. |
| [03:19:41] | fryfrog: | yeah, this one on dans goes a little further, has FTP support and a number of other little "features" |
| [03:19:45] | Toxicity999: | neat |
| [03:19:59] | fryfrog: | but it is otherwise not very remarkable (or fast) |
| [03:20:20] | Toxicity999: | you might as well build your own really, unless you have money to burn through |
| [03:20:47] | Toxicity999: | a cheap mobo, an alright proc, the other essentials, all cheap medium-end for the range, and some high quality drives |
| [03:21:28] | Toxicity999: | but then I love hacking things together myself anyway =P |
| [03:22:05] | fryfrog: | Well, I have all the parts I need except HD, so it *would* be cheaper to build them a linux system |
| [03:22:15] | fryfrog: | but it would be both smaller and easier to use a little NAS thing, especially if I end up in california (and they are on the east coast) |
| [03:22:28] | mzb: | judging by my current experiences ... make sure you use SATA2, not SATA (and make sure you have SATA2 cables to match ... basically all leads need clips!) |
| [03:22:30] | fryfrog: | the *big* loss though is shell access to a "nas" |
| [03:22:51] | Toxicity999: | well if you bought an all in one box which ran linux... |
| [03:22:57] | Toxicity999: | hackability could be present |
| [03:22:57] | fryfrog: | with shell access, i can use rsync to sync stuff between us (ie, backup their documents and mine, etc) |
| [03:23:06] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: I have my folk's mythVideo store set up on a Buffalo NAS |
| [03:23:10] | fryfrog: | i think they are all based on linux |
| [03:23:15] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro_: how do you like it? |
| [03:23:38] | Toxicity999: | well again, if you have the money, build one of those tiny little boxes akin to a set top box, with a shit-ton of storage. |
| [03:23:49] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: Works really well for that purpose... Not 100% that I'd want to do recordings on it, but I have never once had to go over to troubleshoot the NAS |
| [03:23:51] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro_: wasi tone pre-loaded with drives or? |
| [03:24:06] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: Yeah, it's a 2 TB in RAID 5, so 1.5 usable |
| [03:24:19] | fryfrog: | doesn't look like they sell any w/o drives |
| [03:24:30] | iamlindoro_: | Buffalo doesn't, but there are a number of folks that do |
| [03:24:45] | iamlindoro_: | I think Netgear actually released an empty one not too long ago |
| [03:24:46] | fryfrog: | did you compare prices much? |
| [03:25:08] | fryfrog: | I mean, perhaps it simply isn't saving much money buying one w/o drives |
| [03:25:19] | Toxicity999: | weird on newegg the 500GB buffalo is a bit cheaper than the 250GB... similarly specced. |
| [03:25:32] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: At the time it was the cheapest... I looked at it semi-recently and still found that it was pretty comparable to buying the chassis and doing it myself |
| [03:25:51] | Toxicity999: | guess the 500 lacks a few things. |
| [03:25:54] | iamlindoro_: | Those smaller ones are non-redundant, I believe... only the TeraStations are 4 disk/RAID, etc. |
| [03:26:09] | fryfrog: | Funny, Netgear's offering goes from ~$180.. to $1,000 :p |
| [03:26:12] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: You may be able to pick up an empty one on ebay, though |
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| [03:26:29] | fryfrog: | that yum cha one on dansdata was a 2 disk container that would do RAID1 |
| [03:26:39] | fryfrog: | thats all I really need, I think... but an affordable raid5 would be okay too |
| [03:27:06] | iamlindoro_: | You could always dump some disks in an old tower and run one of the Linux NAS distros on it |
| [03:27:14] | iamlindoro_: | Not as sexy, but works just the same |
| [03:27:43] | iamlindoro_: | provided you have some old tower/mobo laying around |
| [03:27:48] | fryfrog: | netgear, horrible rating even on newegg :p |
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| [03:27:57] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro_: i do |
| [03:28:03] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro_: and that is a viable option |
| [03:28:05] | fryfrog: | for sure :) |
| [03:28:29] | fryfrog: | these little boxes (since my parents will buy it) would be more elegant though |
| [03:31:45] | xanderp: | to make sure I get ALL my available digital channels in myth do I scan QAM256, then again with QAM 128, and again with QAM64, and also VSB-8? Or is that redundant? |
| [03:31:59] | fryfrog: | xanderp: i think typically a cable co only uses one |
| [03:32:04] | fryfrog: | and it is almost always 256 |
| [03:32:20] | jhulst: | xanderp: My cable company uses 256 and 64, I would scan for all QAM |
| [03:32:38] | xanderp: | if I scan in 256, and then again in the 64 will the channels overlap, or no? |
| [03:33:04] | Toxicity999: | ugh, the latest try lasted 45 minutes or so, then hardlocked when I paused and walked off for a minute >< |
| [03:33:33] | jhulst: | xanderp: No they won't overlap, you can have it set up to do minimal updates |
| [03:33:41] | xanderp: | (would be nice if the scanner would let you pick 'scan ALL' and then you just let it run for however long it takes) |
| [03:34:14] | Toxicity999: | pretty hard to diagnose a problem when it's just hardlocking *scratches head* |
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| [03:34:43] | bsdfox__: | anyone know how to generate missing thumbnails for mythweb? |
| [03:35:47] | xanderp: | this will take a while... I have 2 digital tuners both are digital + analog cards and also a stand alone analog all needing scanned... "time to make the doughnuts..." |
| [03:35:54] | iamlindoro_: | bsdfox__: for videos? |
| [03:36:09] | bsdfox__: | for recordings |
| [03:36:16] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, then no. :) |
| [03:36:25] | jhulst: | xanderp: if they are hooked up to the same source, you only need to do it once |
| [03:36:55] | xanderp: | what if one card can detect channels that the other can't? (they are different brands) |
| [03:37:29] | bsdfox__: | I did some myth.find_orphans.pl and it wiped out all of last weeks thumbnails :P |
| [03:37:44] | xanderp: | i think my cable provider is a bunch of crack smokers... I'm getting the same channels on all 3 types of QAM... |
| [03:37:55] | bsdfox__: | I was hacking around with the code trying to get it to delete unreferenced thumbs but I think I screwed up a little :P |
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| [03:38:26] | jhulst: | xanderp: From my understanding, any digital card should pick up every signal available, but you can always scan twice to make sure :) |
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| [03:38:45] | xanderp: | bsdfox__: i've deleted ALL of my thumbs many times on purpose to let me read the video directory easier... when I re-launch mythweb it regenerates them automagically... |
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| [03:39:44] | fryfrog: | I hate when companies do shit like make "Thecus N2100SM, BM and PM" but don't explain wtf it is |
| [03:40:05] | xanderp: | anyone else seen a cable provider put their digital stuff on all 3 types of QAM? |
| [03:40:53] | xanderp: | fryfrog: are you talking about 2 different models referenced by part numbers but no descriptions as to why there are 2 part numbers? |
| [03:41:47] | fryfrog: | xanderp: no, three different "NAS" devices on newegg, the only diff appears to be their 2 letters in the name :/ |
| [03:42:13] | xanderp: | almost every time I've ever seen that it's because it's BLAH-S BLAH-B BLAH-P etc... -S SIlver -B Black -P Plastic.... |
| [03:42:21] | fryfrog: | OHHHH!!!! |
| [03:42:26] | fryfrog: | you are a genious :p |
| [03:42:29] | xanderp: | hehe |
| [03:42:36] | iamlindoro: | digital cable is 64 and 256 in the US, not 128 |
| [03:42:45] | xanderp: | no clue what the M is for though |
| [03:42:50] | iamlindoro: | so you can save yourself at least that one. |
| [03:42:50] | xanderp: | (mount?) |
| [03:43:09] | xanderp: | iamlindoro: awesome... |
| [03:43:17] | xanderp: | (i'm currently doing 128!!) |
| [03:43:30] | fryfrog: | Silver Pearl and Black I think it is what it means |
| [03:43:33] | xanderp: | (and of course, they are all TIMEOUT) |
| [03:43:54] | fryfrog: | That'd be a bit easier to discern if the prices didn't differ by like $2 per color :/ |
| [03:44:22] | xanderp: | Wholy crap... i scrolled up and it did pick up my channels again on QAM128 |
| [03:45:17] | xanderp: | now for VSB-8 |
| [03:45:26] | iamlindoro_: | 8vsb is broadcast... anetnna... not cable |
| [03:45:30] | iamlindoro_: | er antenna |
| [03:45:34] | fryfrog: | You know how linksys routers have dd-wrt / tomato / etc, 3rd party firmware... what would you call that? |
| [03:45:36] | xanderp: | and of course they are showing up again... WTF? |
| [03:45:45] | fryfrog: | Like, if I were searching for the same thing for a NAS :/ |
| [03:45:52] | fryfrog: | "hack" or "mod" maybe? |
| [03:46:08] | xanderp: | i usually search opensource firmware also |
| [03:46:52] | xanderp: | i know that the buffalo terrastations can be full fledged linux boxes with little to know effort... |
| [03:47:00] | fryfrog: | ah, i see |
| [03:47:27] | fryfrog: | know where i might find info on it? |
| [03:47:34] | xanderp: | the buffalo? |
| [03:47:44] | fryfrog: | well, the running linux on it |
| [03:48:17] | iamlindoro_: | Well, it already runs linux |
| [03:48:21] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [03:48:26] | iamlindoro_: | you just hack it with an altered firmware to allow SSH, etc. |
| [03:48:30] | fryfrog: | can you get shell w/o doing much modification? |
| [03:48:33] | fryfrog: | ah, neat |
| [03:48:35] | fryfrog: | did you do that? |
| [03:48:49] | iamlindoro_: | Nope, didn't want to break my folk's stuff, SAMBA worked fine for them |
| [03:48:54] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [03:49:06] | xanderp: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/itimpi/buffalo.htm |
| [03:49:29] | xanderp: | lots of stuff there |
| [03:49:43] | fryfrog: | thanks, was poking around on wikiedia now |
| [03:51:05] | xanderp: | does straight 'CABLE' scan do ALL the various CABLE HIGH(etc) scans (inclusive) |
| [03:52:15] | xanderp: | what i mean is does CABLE include all the channels from CABLE HIGH, CABLE IRC, CABLE [BLAH] |
| [03:53:15] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro_: i assume the "LinkStation" line of Buffalo products don't have 2 drives in them (ie, no RAID1) |
| [03:53:39] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: I don't know, only really familiar with the TeraStations |
| [03:53:45] | xanderp: | i think some of their smaller units have 2 drives (mirror) but the terastations have 4 |
| [03:53:50] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [03:54:05] | fryfrog: | can you replace a terrastations drives w/ non buffalo items do you know? |
| [03:54:07] | xanderp: | they are selling 4tb TS's now... |
| [03:54:09] | xanderp: | yes |
| [03:54:10] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: Yes, |
| [03:54:21] | fryfrog: | ah, neat, just can't buy an *empty* one |
| [03:54:27] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: Although to replace any of the drives you have to open the chassis, it's a pain, but doable |
| [03:54:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: I've got a LinkStation Gigabit NAS – single 500GB drive... |
| [03:54:36] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: ebay, I've seen empties before |
| [03:54:44] | xanderp: | they are just generally just WD7200rpm drives |
| [03:54:47] | fryfrog: | J-e-f-f-A: like it? |
| [03:54:59] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro_: do all 4 bays have to be populated to use? |
| [03:55:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: Yeah, so far. I hardly have anything on it yet... ;-) |
| [03:55:06] | xanderp: | iamlindoro: the newer chassis is much easier to open |
| [03:55:20] | fryfrog: | J-e-f-f-A: do you know if any of those LinkStations have 2 drives? |
| [03:55:22] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog: I don't know... certainly for RAID 5, but it's probably doable with fewer in another mode |
| [03:55:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: i've still got 1.5TB to use on my directly-attached drives... |
| [03:56:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | Umm... well, it might be large enough to get 2 drives in there, but it'd be real tight. It's just a little bit bigger than your average external 5–1/4"-based DVD drive... |
| [03:57:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: ^^^ — It's 2.25"w x 6.5"h x 8.5"d ... |
| [03:57:49] | fryfrog: | out of curiosity, why might an empty terastation end up on ebay? |
| [03:58:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: They may have removed the drives to use internally in a pc... |
| [03:58:27] | fryfrog: | ah, i see |
| [03:58:53] | jamesd: | everything ends up on ebay eventually... |
| [04:00:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: I did the reverse with my old backend's 760GB LVM... (4x200GB IDE)... I bought a "Venus T4U" 4-drive USB enclosure, and put them in there. ;-) That's an extra 760GB available available to my newer backend, although it's the size of a 2-slice toaster... |
| [04:00:33] | fryfrog: | Venus T4U, is that a NAS device or a small case? |
| [04:00:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: It's a USB2.0 enclosure, with 4 drive bays. |
| [04:01:05] | fryfrog: | oh, weird |
| [04:01:19] | fryfrog: | does it do built in raid? or is basically just an external enclosure for 4 usb drives? |
| [04:02:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: I believe it does 'raid 0', where you can make all 4 drives appear as one big drive. I'm using it in 'individual drive' mode, since they were already formatted in an LVM. Just had to import the LVM, and it works perfect... |
| [04:03:10] | fryfrog: | ahhh |
| [04:03:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: There's dip switches on the back to have all drives individually recognized as usb devices, or go 2 together; 2 seperate – 3 together; 1 seperate or all 4 together... |
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| [04:04:40] | poli: | hello all! it is the expected behavior of the Rip frontend option not to use the configured device in DVD Settings->General Settings and insted use /dev/dvd (seems like hardcoded to me) |
| [04:04:45] | poli: | ? |
| [04:04:59] | fryfrog: | almost certainly raid0 (doubt it) or JBOD thne. |
| [04:05:23] | iamlindoro_: | poli: It's the dafult opion, but just change it |
| [04:05:27] | iamlindoro_: | er default |
| [04:05:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: here's a link to it on newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817332008 |
| [04:05:52] | poli: | iamlindoro_: Yes, I changed it, DVD Play works fine. DVD Rip tries to use /dev/dvd |
| [04:05:59] | fysa: | Any projector users here with an electric Da-Lite screen? |
| [04:06:03] | iamlindoro_: | poli: Also changable, not hardcoded |
| [04:06:17] | poli: | iamlindoro_: could you point me where is the config option for it? |
| [04:06:20] | iamlindoro_: | fysa: I use a FP, but I use a Greywolf II |
| [04:06:33] | fysa: | ah |
| [04:06:50] | fysa: | I have a Da-Lite High Power right now, but upgrading from a manual to an electric. |
| [04:07:04] | fysa: | Trying to get some insight on the difference between their top two electric lines. |
| [04:07:35] | fysa: | I love the material.. it gave me an extra year or two of usefulness out of my old Sanyo Z2. |
| [04:07:48] | fysa: | but alas, it's time to move on. |
| [04:07:50] | iamlindoro_: | poli: Frontend settings, Video Settings, General settings... in SVN, anyway |
| [04:07:59] | xanderp: | have you guys seen the external chassis that will autodetect whatever drives you drop into it and dynamically allocate the free space to you to use? I can't remember it's name but it was pretty nifty... |
| [04:08:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | xanderp: Yeah, I saw that. It was something like "robodrive" |
| [04:08:33] | iamlindoro_: | fysa: I leave mine down at all times so don't have a need for electric... AVS forums is probably your best bet |
| [04:09:02] | xanderp: | the video showed them playing a video from the drives and they were pulling them out of the chassis one after another and replacing them... the video never skipped and it doesn't have to 'rebuild' any raid or anything... very sweet |
| [04:09:19] | fysa: | yeah. I'm am avs'er now for a few years, was hoping for an #avsforum somewhere. |
| [04:09:23] | fysa: | no such luck. |
| [04:09:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | xanderp: It does have to rebuild – it just does it at a lower priority than 'real' data access. |
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| [04:10:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | xanderp: And when I looked at it there wasn't any linux support... |
| [04:10:16] | xanderp: | ahh |
| [04:10:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | xanderp: And it was only USB – no firewire or network... |
| [04:10:52] | poli: | iamlindoro_: would it be General Settings->Location of DVD Device? If it is, 0.20.2 is using that option for DVD Play but NOT for DVD Rip. DVD Rip is reverting to /dev/dvd (a value that is just plain absent of any of my configuration files) |
| [04:10:54] | xanderp: | it was the Drobo... |
| [04:11:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | xanderp: Drobo / robo... I was close!!! ;-) |
| [04:11:20] | iamlindoro_: | poli: Myth doesn't keep settings in configurations files, it keeps them all in the database |
| [04:11:31] | iamlindoro_: | poli: But yes, that's the spot I use to change my rip device |
| [04:12:01] | poli: | iamlindoro_: Can you confirm Rip is getting that setting in SVN? If not, I will file a bug. |
| [04:12:05] | iamlindoro_: | poli: You could always symlink /dev/dvd to your device |
| [04:12:16] | xanderp: | they have an add-on that makes it a NAS... then you can use it for linux |
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| [04:12:39] | xanderp: | J-e-f-f-A: yup, i couldn't even get in the ballpark for the name until you said robo... |
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| [04:12:44] | poli: | iamlindoro_: unfortunately udev gives me a hard time when I do that and restart. :( |
| [04:12:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | xanderp: Yeah, I was jsut reading up on the "DroboShare"... |
| [04:13:02] | xanderp: | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5172137196.html |
| [04:13:21] | iamlindoro_: | poli: Appears to work ok here |
| [04:13:31] | xanderp: | the video demonstrating this thing was jaw dropping... |
| [04:13:37] | poli: | iamlindoro_: thanks, mate. |
| [04:13:45] | fryfrog: | the only problem is that it is retarded expensive |
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| [04:14:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | xanderp: yeah, but so is the price... |
| [04:14:10] | iamlindoro_: | poli: No problem.. you could write a udv rule to symlink your DVD device to somthing, then symlink that to /dev/dvd |
| [04:14:17] | xanderp: | yup... VERY retarded expensive... |
| [04:14:21] | iamlindoro_: | er udv |
| [04:14:24] | iamlindoro_: | er udev |
| [04:14:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | xanderp: It's $200 just for the usb/network adapter... iirc, the drobo itself is something like $400... |
| [04:14:26] | iamlindoro_: | dangit |
| [04:14:34] | xanderp: | w/o drives.... |
| [04:14:37] | poli: | iamlindoro_: that's probably what I will do. thanks for the advice. |
| [04:15:05] | xanderp: | and i think it's running linux... so you could theorhetically do the same thing with a pc and removable drive sleds... |
| [04:15:28] | xanderp: | they will have to drop the price, but the technology is nice. |
| [04:15:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | xanderp: exactly... The only nice thing is how smooth it is at rebuilding the raid, and being able to hot-swap disks, and with different capacities too. |
| [04:16:22] | xanderp: | J-e-f-f-A: the market for this would be 'uncle zeke' and 'aunt betty' as they don't even know what a partition IS, let alone how to make one! |
| [04:17:04] | xanderp: | 'uncle zeke, you just wait for this light to be green, and then you can pull that do-hicky out of that thingamagig... |
| [04:18:04] | xanderp: | they stated specifically that they don't use raid... raid wouldn't rebuild as fast as that guy was chucking drives in and out in the demo video... |
| [04:18:36] | tjcarter: | huh, drobo is something I have had as an idea for a long time now. |
| [04:18:45] | tjcarter: | I would have used Firewire, not USB |
| [04:19:11] | tjcarter: | but still, it's nice to see that the idea was worth something--I'd never have brought it to market |
| [04:19:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | tjcarter: or Network... |
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| [04:19:24] | xanderp: | i don't understand why people make stuff 'half assed' and don't just put in USB/Firewire/etc... the chips to enable all those ports are dirt cheap now... |
| [04:19:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | tjcarter: or even SATA now... |
| [04:20:06] | xanderp: | eSATA yes? |
| [04:20:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | xanderp: Yeah... ;-) |
| [04:20:27] | xanderp: | hehe |
| [04:20:57] | xanderp: | IEEEblahblah... no, i'm not on a mac, oh, you mean firewire... |
| [04:21:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | xanderp: The only difference between SATA and eSATA is a different connector, since eSATA uses a shielded cable – the internal ones aren't shielded... |
| [04:22:37] | xanderp: | J-e-f-f-A: wasn't trying to correct you... I don't know much about them at all... |
| [04:22:49] | xanderp: | just was asking more for my clarity. |
| [04:23:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | xanderp: The only thing I don't like about firewire-connected drives is that (at least WinXP) takes like 30 -60 seconds to recognize the device, whereas USB is just a few seconds... |
| [04:23:53] | fryfrog: | Holey cow, N2100 has a ton of 3rd party modules, you don't even need to hack the thing! |
| [04:24:29] | xanderp: | fryfrog: terastation? |
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| [04:24:36] | fryfrog: | Thecus |
| [04:24:58] | xanderp: | fryfrog: sorry, wasn't reading |
| [04:25:04] | fryfrog: | i'll live :) |
| [04:25:19] | ** xanderp disengage fingers, engage eyes/brain ** | |
| [04:25:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | fryfrog: Ooh, and 2 network ports?!? |
| [04:26:01] | fryfrog: | yeah, but i think it is meant to be wan / lan for poor bastards w/o a router |
| [04:26:11] | tjcarter: | J-e-f-f-A: I don't think network is ideal yet. Choices for network are SMB/CIFS and NFS and AFP. None of these are great protocols, and in a heterogenous environment, you'd need all three. |
| [04:26:14] | fryfrog: | though, maybe you could share it with two seperate networks too... or... who knows |
| [04:27:29] | tjcarter: | J-e-f-f-A: if you're dealing with one machine, you can use the one of those that makes the most sense--Windows deals easily with one, UNIX the second, and Macs are happiest with the third (provided it's a modern AFP) |
| [04:27:46] | tjcarter: | but if you're going there, you might as well offer FW800 and eSATA |
| [04:28:46] | tjcarter: | As a USB solution, I consider the drobo to be a single machine device, basically intended to let you shove random drives into it and have as much storage as you can get, with some data protection when you get up there in numbers of drives |
| [04:29:04] | xanderp: | i've loaded mythbuntu on that backend box i am building, now have to find some docs on getting the firefly remote and the case vfd and volume knob working in ubuntu... :) |
| [04:29:13] | poli: | Is there a way to play a .iso file I just generated from Ripping a DVD with the "ISO FILE"quality option? |
| [04:29:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | xanderp: Which case/vfd? |
| [04:29:36] | poli: | err I suppose other than loopback mounting it as a DVD device? |
| [04:29:45] | xanderp: | antec fusion... i've done the work before in fc6, but not in ubuntu |
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| [04:30:08] | MaverickTech: | I have an ubuntu setup running with Antec fusion case |
| [04:30:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | xanderp: I've got an Antec Fusion Black 430... ;-) |
| [04:30:35] | MaverickTech: | I don't have the volume knob running, I have no need, but the vfd works aok |
| [04:30:55] | xanderp: | MaverickTech: were there any pre-built's you could drop in, or did you have to compile? |
| [04:31:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | MaverickTech: The volume knob transmits just like any IR device. You just need to do 'irrecord' to capture it... |
| [04:31:18] | MaverickTech: | I compiled, but I run myth from svn trunk as well, so it was not issue for me |
| [04:31:27] | xanderp: | my volume knob on fc6 stopped working after i did some updates a while back... |
| [04:31:46] | MaverickTech: | I did some mods to the vfd source to get a better bar graph (better for me) |
| [04:32:07] | xanderp: | never bothered to fix it, so i guess it's not a priority... but the vfd is a nice little 'cherry' to plop on a frontend... |
| [04:32:13] | MaverickTech: | J-e-f-f-A: I might use the volume knob at a later date |
| [04:32:16] | ** J-e-f-f-A admits he has LIRC working for the remote and volume knob, but hasn't had much success with the VFD (LCD on my box) ** | |
| [04:32:50] | iamlindoro_: | poli: Just play it, internal player handles them fine |
| [04:32:53] | MaverickTech: | my remote (DTV-1000T Leadtek card) has never worked for me, I use a cheapo USB remote |
| [04:32:57] | iamlindoro_: | poli: in MythVideo |
| [04:33:03] | xanderp: | yeah, i think the knob shows up as an ATI remote or something... |
| [04:33:07] | ** J-e-f-f-A wishes the volume knob had a 'push button' too... would be great to select menus... ;-) ** | |
| [04:33:43] | iamlindoro_: | The volume knob on my HD-160 has a "push." Have never used it, though, as my box is behind me when watching |
| [04:34:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | xanderp: One thing I hate about this case is that the backlight doesn't shut off when the pc's off.. (perhaps that's a function of the driver I haven't gotten working yet...) |
| [04:34:35] | xanderp: | I never bothered changing the mappings for my snapstream firefly remote volume buttons to work, I just use the stereo remote. (leaving the myth's volume at like 90%) |
| [04:35:07] | tcpsyn: | It's off topic, but do any of you guys have a solid understanding of ffado? |
| [04:35:16] | xanderp: | you can custom compile the vfd driver to not have that 'thanks for using Lirc' or whatever message that they put in it... |
| [04:35:29] | poli: | iamlindoro_: MythVideo is the "Watch Videos" link under "Media Library"? |
| [04:35:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | tcpsyn: Not me... I'm not even sure what it stands for! ;-) |
| [04:35:49] | tcpsyn: | it's a driver for firewire audio devices |
| [04:35:53] | iamlindoro_: | poli: yes... needs to be in the directory that plugin looks in, and you need to add it with the video manager |
| [04:35:59] | xanderp: | Fast Forward and Don't Open? |
| [04:36:23] | tcpsyn: | Free Firewire Audio Drivers |
| [04:36:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | tcpsyn: That makes sense... ;-) xanderp: lmao! |
| [04:36:31] | tcpsyn: | don't know what the O is. |
| [04:36:32] | tcpsyn: | he |
| [04:36:54] | zed2323: | are there any xbmcmythtv script users out there? I'm having trouble connecting to my mysql db from my xbox (though the port's open within my local network, and I can connect from another machine, and I've set password=old_password('mypassword') for user mythtv and host '192.168.1.111' (the xbox's ip) (and flushed privileges, and restarted mysql and the mythbackend) |
| [04:38:28] | xanderp: | zed2323: used to use it until my xbox network card fried. couldn't begin to help though... not a clue, it just 'worked' |
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| [04:39:10] | ** J-e-f-f-A 's MythTV xbox is still waiting to get updated from .20.1 to SVN to match his backend... ** | |
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| [04:40:00] | xanderp: | gotta go sit in front of the new backend for a while and beat on the keys pretending to know what I'm doing... |
| [04:40:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ugh... I've either got to find some toothpicks to hold my eyes open or go to bed... Guess I better get to bed.. ;-) goodnight guys... ;-) |
| [04:40:37] | xanderp: | night |
| [04:40:47] | tjcarter: | J-e-f-f-A: I looked at the Time Machine page for it and I find it amusing that it's been tested and certified (by them) to work with Time Machine ;) |
| [04:41:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | tjcarter: hehe. ;-) I need a Time Machine — how much are they? Any limits to how far back in time you can go ???? ;-) |
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| [04:43:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | tjcarter: Oh bummer, it only enables time travel for Apple computers... Oh well, it was a nice dream. ttyl for tonight... ;-) |
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| [04:49:13] | tjcarter: | J-e-f-f-A: it could be implemented for Linux. Nobody has though |
| [04:50:04] | iamlindoro_: | rsnapshot does exactly what Time Machine does, just no fancy GUI |
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| [04:52:22] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro_: I suspect it doesn't actually. A big part of what Time Machine does that is so cool is zero-cost hardlinks |
| [04:52:36] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: That's exactly what rsnapshot does. |
| [04:53:36] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro_: that'd require some mods to the underlying filesystem driver? |
| [04:54:05] | tjcarter: | hardlinks aren't free |
| [04:54:25] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: Nope, just uses hardlinks, exactly as Time Machine does... and Time Machine requires tiny amounts of space for the hardlinks as well. |
| [04:54:57] | iamlindoro_: | You'll find that the df of your drive after a backup takes slightly more than the differential as well. |
| [04:55:08] | iamlindoro_: | on Mac OS X, that is |
| [04:55:14] | poli: | iamlindoro_: works great, yhanks |
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| [04:57:14] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro_: much less than is typical though |
| [04:57:39] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: It's exactly what any other hardlink would take... there's no magic to Time Machine hardlinks |
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| [04:59:35] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro_: If that is so, why do hardlinks still take a full inode on most filesystems, and why do Time Machine volumes use a modified filesystem that doesn't? |
| [05:00:48] | poli: | Will Mythburn be in the next release? |
| [05:01:59] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: If that's so, then the reference is shifted into the Time Machine database, they don't take any less space than usual. |
| [05:02:12] | tcpsyn: | I'm having serious audio sync issues while watching live TV. The picture stays fine, but the audio will fall behind, and then speed itself up.. chimpmunk style until it catches up |
| [05:02:17] | tcpsyn: | anyone seen that? |
| [05:02:45] | poli: | Anyone could recommend me a good USB TV adaptor? |
| [05:02:59] | jams: | tcpsyn- do you have "use video as timebase |
| [05:03:06] | jams: | tcpsyn- do you have "use video as timebase" checked |
| [05:04:18] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro_: No, it's in the filesystem, it just doesn't take up an unused inode |
| [05:05:04] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: Then the space is reserved in advance. Sorry, but there's just no such thing as a zero cost hardlink or file reference, space is taken up when referring to any file. And unless you can provide a link informing me to the contrary>? |
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| [05:05:47] | jams: | iamlindoro- http://code.google.com/p/flyback/ |
| [05:05:57] | jams: | somebody made a "fancy" gui |
| [05:06:00] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro_: you understand that inodes take a certain amount of space beyond an entry in a table, yes? |
| [05:06:35] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: And *you* understand there is no such thing as a "zero-cost" file, yes? |
| [05:06:46] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: Just show me the links and prove me wrong |
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| [05:07:14] | iamlindoro_: | jams: Yeah, I saw that a bit ago... think that guy started it right after the Time Machine demo |
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| [05:07:21] | tcpsyn: | jams, I'll check. |
| [05:07:26] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro_: The table entry is the only cost. There is no associated space used up with the inode. |
| [05:08:11] | bsdfox_: | that is correct |
| [05:08:20] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: Ergo not-zero-cost. I'll ask a third time. Show me a reference that a hard link in Time Machine takes up any less space than any other hardlink. |
| [05:08:41] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro_: still a lower cost than rsnapshot |
| [05:08:50] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: LINK |
| [05:08:52] | tjcarter: | because you lose 4–8k for every hardlink |
| [05:09:06] | tcpsyn: | jams, No, I don't have use video as timebase |
| [05:09:08] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: Just show me your reference and I'll go, "Hmm, interesting." |
| [05:09:35] | tjcarter: | my reference was a discussion (which had links then) six months ago in an irc channel |
| [05:09:38] | tjcarter: | I don't log. |
| [05:09:45] | jams: | tcpsyn- you could try enabling it and see what happens =) |
| [05:09:50] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: In that case you'll pardon me if your IRC discussion isn't going to do it for me |
| [05:10:01] | tjcarter: | believe what you want. |
| [05:10:13] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: Likewise. I'd love a magical filesystem too. |
| [05:10:22] | tjcarter: | it's not magical. |
| [05:10:37] | tcpsyn: | jams, I'll give it a try |
| [05:10:59] | tjcarter: | It was simply a change to how hardlinks are allocated (to not allocate the minimum filesize for them, since the file's already been allocated.. |
| [05:11:15] | tjcarter: | It's not done elsewhere simply because hardlinks aren't used that often |
| [05:11:20] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: exactly... already been allocated, ergo not zero-cost. |
| [05:11:44] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro_: allocated in the original file. |
| [05:11:51] | tcpsyn: | jams, it's written that Use video as timebase is unsupported with AC3 passthru. |
| [05:12:06] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: And that makes it zero-cost how? Allocated = reserves space. |
| [05:13:17] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro_: touch a zero byte file, how much space is used? |
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| [05:14:31] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: Don't confuse the subject. If you allocate the space for x hardlinks in the original file, then by definition it comes at a cost, even if the ensuing inodes appear not to take up space... they're still taking up space, you just pay it up-front. |
| [05:14:42] | iamlindoro_: | er ensuing hardlinks |
| [05:15:06] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro_: I'm not the one confusing the issue. |
| [05:15:15] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: No, you're just plain confused. |
| [05:15:31] | fysa: | not even the characters in a filename come free |
| [05:15:48] | iamlindoro_: | fysa: Agreed |
| [05:15:48] | tjcarter: | there is no additional allocation of anything beyond the table entry when you make a new hardlink |
| [05:15:54] | tjcarter: | That is not so on most filesystems |
| [05:16:21] | iamlindoro_: | "beyond the table entry" is what makes it *not zero cost* |
| [05:16:55] | tjcarter: | I ACKNOWLEDGED THAT TWENTY MINUTES AGO |
| [05:17:00] | tjcarter: | good grief |
| [05:17:35] | iamlindoro_: | Then why have you continued to fight when the only thing I have ever said is that there is no such thing as a zero-cost hardlink? |
| [05:17:59] | tjcarter: | because you stubbornly refuse to accept that the cost for hardlinks on other filesystems is much higher |
| [05:18:17] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: Because you are unable to provide references and appear to have learned it on IRC of all places. |
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| [05:18:31] | iamlindoro_: | with neither log nor link to support your position |
| [05:19:03] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro_: from developers who work on the filesystems, sure. |
| [05:19:35] | iamlindoro_: | tjcarter: If you say so, but all I have is your words on that |
| [05:19:58] | Tomasu: | I've got some regular old avi's stored on some DVDRs that I want to play back, and I can't seem to get mythtv (mythvideo or mytharchive) to find them. since I have a few videos on one disk, I actually want to beable to select which one to play before playing. is there a plugin that does such a thing? |
| [05:22:08] | jams: | Tomasu- mythvideo will do that if a) you mount /smylink the drive under the mythvideo dir. b) you either run video manager or enable browse filesystem |
| [05:22:53] | Tomasu: | that seems hackish imo... |
| [05:23:19] | jams: | it might be, but there are no other plugins todo what you want. |
| [05:23:31] | Tomasu: | seems odd |
| [05:23:51] | Tomasu: | doesnt help that my main video share is a share... |
| [05:24:54] | Tomasu: | and even though I have "browse filesystem" enabled, I still have to go back to the video manager sometimes. |
| [05:29:48] | tcpsyn: | upeek: ptrace(PTRACE_PEEKUSER,21487,24,0): No such process |
| [05:29:53] | tcpsyn: | sorry |
| [05:29:55] | tcpsyn: | wrong window |
| [05:35:22] | CCFL_Man2: | hmm.. |
| [05:39:44] | poli: | Considering that I am a complete n00b regarding HDTV, are different cards needed for the different standards, or can I use one single card under a "decoder"? |
| [05:41:35] | iamlindoro_: | poli: Yes, they are different cards per-standard |
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| [05:42:24] | iamlindoro_: | In the US they are ATSC/QAM cards, elsewhere they are commonly DVB-S (Satellite), DVB-T (Terrestrial), and DVB-C (Cable) cards |
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| [05:43:03] | poli: | hm seems like I will stick with analog PVRs for the comming years |
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| [05:43:43] | iamlindoro_: | poli: You're missing out... it's more complex but night and day quality and experiencewise |
| [05:43:58] | iamlindoro_: | poli: Plus analog will eventually go away (when depends on where you live) |
| [05:45:38] | fryfrog: | poli: of course, if you don't have an HDTV (or a computer monitor) to watch on, it'd be pointless |
| [05:45:45] | iamlindoro_: | very true |
| [05:46:01] | iamlindoro_: | well.. digital reception of SD is still a heck of a lot better |
| [05:46:08] | iamlindoro_: | but HD is where it's at |
| [05:46:18] | fryfrog: | True, and even HD on an SD device would look good. |
| [05:46:23] | fryfrog: | It just wouldn't *be* HD |
| [05:46:49] | poli: | Well I live in Brazil, a country that is almost insignificant compared to europe, US and japan, that had the brilliant idea to do some market protection by establishing its own HDTV standard... |
| [05:46:50] | iamlindoro_: | Best not to look into it if you want to save money.. it's easy to get carried away :) |
| [05:47:09] | fryfrog: | oh, nice :/ |
| [05:47:14] | fryfrog: | SD it is then :) |
| [05:47:29] | iamlindoro_: | look's like they're using ISDB, which is the Japanese standard |
| [05:47:32] | poli: | Some say the japanese standard can be used, some say it can't. So, I don't see any hardware support working in the near future. |
| [05:47:51] | iamlindoro_: | all the same, never heard of an ISDB capture card :) |
| [05:47:53] | poli: | iamlindoro_: Not exactly. They got the japanese standard and applied some "changes". |
| [05:48:01] | iamlindoro_: | I bet it's because of terrain |
| [05:48:23] | poli: | So it is not clear wether japanese stuff will work... some say it will, some say it won't. |
| [05:48:55] | iamlindoro_: | That's rough |
| [05:49:07] | iamlindoro_: | May never see capture card :( |
| [05:49:08] | poli: | iamlindoro_: I am not sure. Smells like market protection, good old market protection, to me. Governemnt opened a "bid" to whoever would bring industries to manufacture the TVs here... |
| [05:49:31] | iamlindoro_: | poli: Sounds like piracy encouragement to me ;) |
| [05:49:46] | iamlindoro_: | Not that *I* am, but I'm sure it will spur piracy |
| [05:49:59] | poli: | How? |
| [05:50:36] | iamlindoro_: | If you can't get your media legitimately, and can get it over the internet, what will most people do? |
| [05:50:51] | iamlindoro_: | Anyway, consider it a fair trade for have the most smoking-hot women in the world. |
| [05:50:59] | poli: | Well you are correct. |
| [05:51:19] | poli: | The average brazilian womon, contrary to the common sense, is pretty ugly. :( |
| [05:51:36] | iamlindoro_: | I'd give up my mythbox if I had access to a nation of Brazilian hotties |
| [05:51:41] | poli: | but the really beautiful ones can be the most beautiful in the world, you are right |
| [05:52:11] | poli: | lol |
| [05:52:48] | poli: | Well I will just stick with a PVR, any comments about USB versions of it? Is the PVR-USB2 the best one? |
| [05:53:06] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, probably your best option for analog |
| [05:53:08] | iamlindoro_: | OH!! |
| [05:53:09] | iamlindoro_: | poli |
| [05:53:12] | iamlindoro_: | here's something for you |
| [05:53:14] | iamlindoro_: | for HD |
| [05:53:17] | iamlindoro_: | I'm dense, sorry |
| [05:53:23] | poli: | lol no worry |
| [05:53:27] | iamlindoro_: | Hauppauge is releasing an HD capture box for component this year |
| [05:53:38] | ** Tanthrix slaps iamlindoro_ around a bit with a large trout ** | |
| [05:53:40] | iamlindoro_: | You can capture the component out of your HD receiver |
| [05:53:41] | poli: | oh that sounds promissing |
| [05:53:51] | iamlindoro_: | Tanthrix: Yeah, me of all people, right? |
| [05:53:56] | Tanthrix: | hehe |
| [05:54:20] | poli: | That's really good news. |
| [05:54:20] | iamlindoro_: | poli: Will do hardware encoding into h.264 up to 1080i |
| [05:54:33] | iamlindoro_: | poli, they say it will be Q1 08, so very soon |
| [05:55:06] | iamlindoro_: | poli, and the great news is it ought to work just about anywhere in the world they use component... which ought to include you :) |
| [05:55:19] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: Incidentally, do you think it's going to have some hardware deinterlacing built in? |
| [05:55:27] | poli: | That's really very good news... we already have some open broadcasts in HDTV (started less than 1 month ago) |
| [05:55:59] | iamlindoro_: | Tanthrix: Good question... He mentioned that you can downconvert a 1080 signal to 720p in the hardware, so imagine it must have |
| [05:56:26] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: That could potentially be amazing. Potentially. |
| [05:56:49] | iamlindoro_: | Tanthrix: Yeah... right now I convert my 1080i recordings to 720p for archival, so avoiding that would be huge :) |
| [05:57:24] | kdubya: | i dont see how there are no pictures of this mess yet |
| [05:57:31] | kdubya: | if it is supposed to be out by april |
| [05:57:32] | iamlindoro_: | Tanthrix: Here's what I think we need to do, though... encourage the devs to somehow implement lossless commercial cuts with x264.. even if I have to pay for it :) |
| [05:57:38] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro_: Just considering how god awful every single free software deinterlacer is out there it could be a great thing |
| [05:57:55] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro_: Hehe ;) |
| [05:58:38] | iamlindoro_: | Tanthrix: Still, I have a script to convert myth commflags to EDLs to cut out commercials in mencoder... it's messier but possible if necessary |
| [06:00:16] | poli: | I almost lost the line of thought about the piracy thing |
| [06:00:30] | poli: | the thing is, Brazil has 190 million people living here |
| [06:01:14] | poli: | It has 7 or so national open broadcast channels that are almost prefectly fit to the needs and desires of the absolute majority of its population... |
| [06:01:30] | poli: | (read: nudity, stupidity and 24hrs reality shows and soup operas) |
| [06:01:45] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [06:01:59] | iamlindoro_: | so what you're saying is, aside from the nudity, nothing worth pirating |
| [06:02:03] | poli: | less than 8% of the population currently has any sort of paid TV. |
| [06:02:20] | poli: | And that won't probably going to change anytime soon. |
| [06:02:43] | Tanthrix: | Yay for the nudity. Neigh for the stupidity and reality TV. |
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| [06:03:33] | iamlindoro_: | Summer Glau is too skinny |
| [06:03:38] | iamlindoro_: | but still cute |
| [06:03:47] | poli: | The paid TV programming is, so far, completely targeted at the cultural elite, with 100% of the programming being US cable channels and international "sponsored" channels like BBC, NHK, DW etc. |
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| [06:04:33] | poli: | only 2 or 3 channels provide dubbing in the local language (remarkably FOX decided to do so 2 months ago or so) |
| [06:04:49] | poli: | the others are subtitled |
| [06:04:59] | compy: | so i am using a s-video output to my tv, and when my computer loads w/ the flash screen and login... i can see it on my tv... now when X starts the tv is black... anyone know what or where i should go to for help? |
| [06:05:21] | poli: | The thing is, there is nothing really worth pirating that is broadcasted here and not in the major "HUBs" aka USA, Europe and Japan. |
| [06:05:34] | Tanthrix: | compy: You need to properly modify your xorg.conf file for TV-out support |
| [06:05:49] | Tanthrix: | compy: At boot the video card automatically clones and scales everything. X does not. |
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| [06:05:58] | compy: | Tanthrix, ok thanks |
| [06:06:05] | poli: | I know a number of people that don't even have TV sets at home, they get their full programming from torrents. And much of the good stuff that plays out there never gets to our screens, not even through paid TV. |
| [06:06:31] | iamlindoro_: | poli: Ah well, the Hauppauge box it is I guess |
| [06:06:44] | bsdfox_: | we need a 24/7 cops station |
| [06:06:56] | compy: | Tanthrix, should i use separate X screen or twinview? |
| [06:06:59] | kdubya: | sounds to me like poli should just torrent everything |
| [06:07:04] | poli: | Virtually all the piracy sold in the streets are movies (mostly Hollywood) and games. |
| [06:07:08] | kdubya: | shouldnt feel bad if you cant even buy it in your country |
| [06:07:17] | poli: | I don't see a market for local-generated piracy in the near future. |
| [06:07:30] | Tanthrix: | compy: Personally, I always went with a separate X screen, since it doesn't allow windows to go across, something you don't want myth to do. |
| [06:07:45] | poli: | kdubya: I have a fried that torrets 100% of everything he watches. His TV broke down one year ago. |
| [06:07:46] | compy: | ok perfect... thanks i appreciate it |
| [06:08:36] | Tanthrix: | compy: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1 . . . endix-p.html <-- Instructions there, but you should find the readme for your particular driver. |
| [06:09:07] | compy: | thanks |
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| [06:11:44] | compy: | join #ubuntu |
| [06:11:53] | Floppe: | no thx |
| [06:11:58] | kdubya: | heh |
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| [06:16:29] | poli: | hm where can I find mame roms? |
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| [06:17:18] | kdubya: | in a less legal place |
| [06:17:32] | poli: | aren't there free ones? |
| [06:17:39] | compy: | Tanthrix, ok so now all i see is a XFCE blue screen on my tv... but normal x on crt monitor? |
| [06:19:17] | Tanthrix: | That's an improvement, I suppose. You'll just have to tinker with it. |
| [06:19:32] | compy: | hehe yeah |
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| [06:21:59] | poli: | hm can I use scumm in mythtv? :) |
| [06:28:39] | iamlindoro: | poli, yes, there is a howto in the wiki |
| [06:29:01] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ScummVM_in_MythGame_Howto |
| [06:29:56] | kdubya: | mythgame is just a launcher |
| [06:30:05] | kdubya: | you could use it to launch whatever the hell you want |
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| [06:36:06] | poli: | pehaps now I will finally finish monkey island |
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| [06:39:30] | CCFL_Man2: | StoneCypher: naim kicks ass |
| [06:39:34] | CCFL_Man2: | err |
| [06:39:37] | CCFL_Man2: | cli-msn seems to suck |
| [06:40:45] | cafuego: | i would have thought the name implied that |
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| [06:44:36] | CCFL_Man2: | cafuego: you don't need a gui for instand message |
| [06:44:51] | cafuego: | that's not the half of the name I was referring to <heh> |
| [06:45:22] | CCFL_Man2: | well, msn sucks, yes |
| [06:45:42] | cafuego: | the cli does not suck by any stretch of the imagination |
| [06:45:48] | ** cafuego would be lost without it ** | |
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| [06:58:07] | poli: | ok bed time |
| [06:58:09] | poli: | see you mates |
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| [07:02:31] | CCFL_Man2: | cli ftw |
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| [08:07:25] | sdlnxgk: | anyone in San Diego using Kubuntu with Mythtv???? |
| [08:07:44] | kdubya: | heh |
| [08:07:51] | kdubya: | is that how you find in home tech support? |
| [08:09:22] | justinh: | a/s/l ? |
| [08:09:44] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure lots of San Diegan Kubuntu Myth users are in-channel at midnight on a Tuesday. |
| [08:11:11] | justinh: | sdlnxgk: just ask a question about a problem you're having. see if anybody can help. my money is on it being a mysql issue, for the record |
| [08:12:06] | iamlindoro: | If I'm not allowed to pick that one then I choose "how come I can't get all my channels?" |
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| [08:13:21] | kdubya: | im betting its a 'how well does myth work in kubuntu' question |
| [08:13:25] | sdlnxgk: | lol |
| [08:13:48] | iamlindoro: | Nice. This guy got that ultra-rare PVR-150 with component-ins. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/sys/544762891.html |
| [08:14:08] | sdlnxgk: | justinh, ok here is the problem.... mythtv finds my card and I get some channels but not all what my cable provider should give me |
| [08:14:10] | Daviey: | :( |
| [08:14:21] | iamlindoro: | YES! |
| [08:14:23] | iamlindoro: | YES! |
| [08:14:28] | ** iamlindoro high fives himself ** | |
| [08:14:36] | sdlnxgk: | kdubya, I all ready have it working in kubuntu |
| [08:14:50] | kdubya: | Damn. |
| [08:15:02] | sdlnxgk: | I get 2 hdtv channels maybe 10 normal cable channels |
| [08:15:26] | kdubya: | are you using a digital card? |
| [08:15:36] | justinh: | sdlnxgk: my next guess would be that you've used the wrong frequency table. us-cable-hrc versus us-cable. |
| [08:15:39] | sdlnxgk: | yes pcHDTV card |
| [08:15:42] | ** Tanthrix hits iamlindoro with a shovel and justinh with a sack of oranges ** | |
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| [08:15:48] | kdubya: | then the rest of the channels are encrypted |
| [08:15:53] | sdlnxgk: | I used us-cable |
| [08:15:53] | justinh: | or that |
| [08:15:57] | kdubya: | welcome to how much the cable company sucks |
| [08:16:01] | sdlnxgk: | lol |
| [08:16:13] | sdlnxgk: | I know that coxs sucks I mean look at there name :) |
| [08:16:20] | kdubya: | no |
| [08:16:23] | kdubya: | cox get sucked |
| [08:16:27] | sdlnxgk: | lol |
| [08:16:32] | Daviey: | ha ha ha... |
| [08:16:46] | sdlnxgk: | I just tought if one HD channel is locked on it should find all the rest |
| [08:16:57] | kdubya: | you would think |
| [08:16:58] | kdubya: | wouldnt you |
| [08:17:10] | kdubya: | most likely you should be able to find the local stations |
| [08:17:10] | iamlindoro: | sdlnxgk: Nope, you're getting about what most people get unencrypted |
| [08:17:18] | Tanthrix: | sdlnxgk: Unfortunately not. A good chunk of the time all you can get over QAM is the over the air HD channels. |
| [08:17:24] | kdubya: | but forget ESPN or discovery |
| [08:17:38] | iamlindoro: | and pretty much everything else you pay for |
| [08:18:14] | sdlnxgk: | dammit that sucks.... |
| [08:18:24] | sdlnxgk: | anyone wanna buy a pcHDTV card |
| [08:18:24] | sdlnxgk: | lol |
| [08:18:37] | sdlnxgk: | I should have read up on it first I guess before asking for it for x-mas |
| [08:18:42] | kdubya: | haha |
| [08:18:49] | kdubya: | yeah that crap is expensive to |
| [08:18:52] | justinh: | you guys are lucky you're even allowed to connect your own gear to the cable |
| [08:18:58] | iamlindoro: | For what it's worth, I get pretty much nothing via QAM, but everything via firewire out of my STB |
| [08:19:00] | kdubya: | you can get cards for $30 taht do the same thing |
| [08:19:05] | kdubya: | like, exactly the same thing |
| [08:19:09] | sdlnxgk: | I can get normal cable channels great with tvtime but not with mythtv |
| [08:19:31] | iamlindoro: | that's because tvtime is running it in framegrabber mode |
| [08:19:35] | iamlindoro: | ie, analog mode |
| [08:19:42] | kdubya: | yeah |
| [08:19:42] | justinh: | sdlnxgk: putting analogue on mythtv with that card is... is.. basically a waste of a good hdtv card |
| [08:20:05] | sdlnxgk: | my STB is in the living room and all I wanted was to be able to watch tv in the bedroom without renting another STB |
| [08:20:11] | Tanthrix: | kdubya: But then you can't masturbate over the fact you're using open source hardware or some such thing |
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| [08:20:38] | sdlnxgk: | justinh, I know but if I only get two HD channels not worth it to watch on that card |
| [08:21:01] | iamlindoro: | Add a PVR-150 to that, and you'll be mostly-set |
| [08:21:19] | iamlindoro: | Use the pcHDTV card for HD and whatever you can get, and the pvr-150 for all the analog stuff. |
| [08:21:41] | kdubya: | you might as well hook that pcHDTV up to an antenna |
| [08:21:56] | kdubya: | that signal is less compressed and wont move around on you |
| [08:22:14] | iamlindoro: | plus, chicks dig antennas |
| [08:22:26] | Tanthrix: | kdubya: The former is not always the case, but the latter is for sure. I had the joy of dealing with that a few weeks ago. |
| [08:23:09] | Tanthrix: | I'm going to be switching to antenna when I get some free time to set one up and rescan / readd the channel info |
| [08:23:17] | kdubya: | chicks dig keyboards in the livingroom |
| [08:23:43] | iamlindoro: | yeah they do... and big, noisy full size towers under the TV |
| [08:23:54] | iamlindoro: | Hopefully missing some drive-bay plates. |
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| [08:24:24] | kdubya: | heh |
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| [08:25:12] | iamlindoro: | It's worth all the tinkering when she turns to you and, shouting over the turbine of your MythTV box, she tells you she wants you bad. |
| [08:25:59] | iamlindoro: | And you lean in, brushing aside her hair and whisper into her ear... "Baby... I erased all your soaps accidentally when I apt-get dist-upgrade'd." |
| [08:26:25] | kdubya: | haha |
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| [08:29:42] | sdlnxgk: | iamlindoro, I wish I could put up an antenna but the condo complex I live in says we can't have a dish or antenna :( |
| [08:29:43] | Tanthrix: | I'm seriously going to shoot someone in the face if they don't post a release date for the next Futurama movie. |
| [08:29:56] | Tanthrix: | sdlnxgk: An indoor one can work just fine, depending on your location. |
| [08:30:20] | iamlindoro: | sdlnxgk: Your condo complex can't prevent you from having a dish on your own deck (ie, an area owned exclusively by you), it's illegal. |
| [08:30:27] | sdlnxgk: | kdubya, I just might have to put one of my other linux boxes in the living room and grab data from the STB |
| [08:30:40] | iamlindoro: | sdlnxgk: even if it's in your HOA agreement, it's still illegal and unenforceable |
| [08:30:52] | kdubya: | yes |
| [08:30:59] | kdubya: | but your neighbors can shun you |
| [08:31:07] | kdubya: | and that would be very sad |
| [08:31:12] | iamlindoro: | pfffft |
| [08:31:28] | sdlnxgk: | well we got written up and cost us allot of money for the last dish we had on the patio |
| [08:32:01] | sdlnxgk: | the HOA in this complex are assholes |
| [08:32:07] | iamlindoro: | sdlnxgk: You should take them to small claims court (where they cannot bring an atorney) |
| [08:32:44] | iamlindoro: | it's illegal of them to prevent you from having a dish on an exclusive area, so long as it's not mounted on the *outside* of the patio. |
| [08:32:57] | iamlindoro: | I'll even give you the section. |
| [08:32:58] | sdlnxgk: | the only thing is we signed saying we agreed to the HOA rules and regulations |
| [08:33:34] | iamlindoro: | Doesn't matter, it's legally unenforceable... You cannot sign away rights. |
| [08:33:37] | sdlnxgk: | iamlindoro, that would be sweet if I could put up an antenna on the patio :) |
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| [08:34:12] | sdlnxgk: | so basically I just need to get another analog card :D |
| [08:34:16] | kdubya: | my antenna is on top of my kitchen cabnets |
| [08:34:21] | kdubya: | you probably dont need it outside |
| [08:34:38] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html |
| [08:34:47] | iamlindoro: | Straight off the FCC web site, there's the fact sheet. |
| [08:34:49] | kdubya: | heh |
| [08:34:49] | kdubya: | tard |
| [08:35:37] | Tanthrix: | sdlnxgk: They actually fined you for putting up a dish? |
| [08:35:59] | sdlnxgk: | yes |
| [08:36:09] | iamlindoro: | most relevant: "The rule applies to individuals who place antennas that meet size limitations on property that they own or rent and that is within their exclusive use or control, including condominium owners and cooperative owners, and tenants who have an area where they have exclusive use, such as a balcony or patio, in which to install the antenna. The rule applies to townhomes and manufactured homes, as well as to single fa |
| [08:36:31] | iamlindoro: | and, "The rule (47 C.F.R. Section 1.4000) has been in effect since October 1996, and it prohibits restrictions that impair the installation, maintenance or use of antennas used to receive video programming. The rule applies to video antennas including direct-to-home satellite dishes that are less than one meter (39.37") in diameter (or of any size in Alaska), TV antennas, and wireless cable antennas. The rule prohibits most re |
| [08:36:36] | Tanthrix: | sdlnxgk: Was it physically on your property, or hanging over in any way shape or form? (IE, mounted on the edge of your patio, such that it sticks out a bit over the edge of your "property line" |
| [08:36:39] | sdlnxgk: | Tanthrix, actually got sited for having up a scooby do picture on the patio window when I first moved in |
| [08:37:11] | kdubya: | heh |
| [08:37:20] | sdlnxgk: | was on the patio in a bucket of cement you could only see the dish from the walk way |
| [08:38:07] | Tanthrix: | sdlnxgk: That was not a yes or a no. |
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| [08:38:18] | Tanthrix: | It's an important distinction/ |
| [08:40:12] | sdlnxgk: | it's physically on my patio not hanging over or bolted to the outside of my patio |
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| [08:40:39] | Tanthrix: | sdlnxgk: Then you need to print out that document in full, highlight the sections iamlindoro just mentioned, and demand your full money back for that citation. |
| [08:40:52] | Tanthrix: | sdlnxgk: And let them know if they refuse you will be taking them to small claims court. |
| [08:41:27] | iamlindoro: | There's also one more section halfway down that page where they say something to the extent of not being able to enforce any HOA rule regarding antenna install, too. |
| [08:41:29] | sdlnxgk: | Tanthrix, printing as we speak ;) |
| [08:41:33] | Tanthrix: | sdlnxgk: As iamlindoro said, you cannot sign away your rights, no matter what the contract. And if you don't stand up for these things, nothing ever changes. |
| [08:41:40] | kdubya: | how much did they fine you? |
| [08:41:41] | Tanthrix: | sdlnxgk: Report back! I love a good fight! ;) |
| [08:41:52] | sdlnxgk: | was only $50 each time |
| [08:42:01] | iamlindoro: | $50 is a PVR-150 |
| [08:42:10] | kdubya: | you should get a 1 meter dish |
| [08:42:15] | kdubya: | and paint it bright ass red or something |
| [08:42:17] | sdlnxgk: | Tan will let you know for sure... that would be awesome to have a dish up |
| [08:42:28] | sdlnxgk: | kdub :) |
| [08:42:33] | Tanthrix: | sdlnxgk: And if you have to take them to small claims court, ask for $1000 for all the time and effort you have to put into it. |
| [08:42:36] | sdlnxgk: | bright ass Orange :D |
| [08:42:40] | Tanthrix: | hehe |
| [08:43:20] | sdlnxgk: | can I still use mythtv with a dish? |
| [08:43:36] | sdlnxgk: | or better to put up an antenna?? |
| [08:43:36] | Tanthrix: | sdlnxgk: Only with a PVR-150 card and irblaster / serial connection |
| [08:43:44] | iamlindoro: | sure, with an analog card, anyway |
| [08:44:09] | Tanthrix: | sdlnxgk: Hauppuage is going to be releasting an component input HD capture card for $250 in the next few months though, and with that you'll be able to get everything, HD content included, from satellite or cable |
| [08:44:46] | kdubya: | people are going to be calling into work sick when that mess is released |
| [08:44:51] | iamlindoro: | sdlnxgk: And since we're both in California and I know a bit about the law, I can tell you if it is small claims court, there are no lawyers. |
| [08:44:59] | iamlindoro: | http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/selfhelp/smallclaims/scbasics.htm |
| [08:45:33] | sdlnxgk: | NICE !! |
| [08:45:43] | sdlnxgk: | thanks for that info iamlindoro !!! |
| [08:46:07] | iamlindoro: | sdlnxgk: No problem, would be interested to know how it went... but you would win. |
| [08:46:17] | iamlindoro: | sdlnxgk: I should hope they would realize it before it got that far, though. |
| [08:46:19] | justinh: | lol @ people finding my site by googling www.tv.themes..co.uk |
| [08:46:25] | justinh: | tv theme nerds :P |
| [08:46:27] | sdlnxgk: | Tanthrix, i'm gonna buy that card if it gets everything :) |
| [08:47:01] | kdubya: | its not a card |
| [08:47:02] | Tanthrix: | sdlnxgk: It works in tandem with a STB. (IE, you need to plug it into the component output of your satellite reciever / digital cable tuner / whatever, then setup an IR blaster or serial connection to change channels |
| [08:47:05] | kdubya: | its a USB device |
| [08:47:06] | sdlnxgk: | I just figured they were right and I was wrong, nobody in that complex has an antenna up or a dish up of any kind |
| [08:47:38] | Tanthrix: | sdlnxgk: So it's not perfect, but it's the best we can get, and it will gurantee freedom from the cable company whims...until they outlaw component someday. |
| [08:47:47] | Tanthrix: | Hopefully that won't be for a very long time though. |
| [08:48:01] | justinh: | Tanthrix: they might already be capable of stopping STBs outputting component |
| [08:48:11] | kdubya: | they wouldnt do that |
| [08:48:20] | sdlnxgk: | Tanthrix, Nice then I can just run another frontend on the bedroom computer and view what's on the backend from the linux box connected to the STB right |
| [08:48:21] | kdubya: | there are too many TVs with only VGA and component in |
| [08:48:30] | kdubya: | and both are suseptable to the analog hole |
| [08:48:40] | iamlindoro: | sdlnxgk: yes |
| [08:48:51] | justinh: | see "closing the analog hole" :) |
| [08:48:59] | kdubya: | thats the thing |
| [08:49:01] | kdubya: | they cant |
| [08:49:13] | justinh: | they could. whether they'd get away with or not remains to be seen |
| [08:49:18] | opentrinity: | hi * |
| [08:49:19] | Tanthrix: | justinh: That's true, I don't recall reading anything that specifically prohibits the disabling of component output. Still though, I kinda doubt they will do it given the number of sets out there that don't have dvi/hdmi input. |
| [08:49:22] | kdubya: | too many people with TVs that need analog |
| [08:49:38] | directhex: | justinh, some of virgin's hd channels apparently have already |
| [08:50:20] | justinh: | there's nothing to stop them downsampling to SD resolution on analogue outputs (well maybe other than the hardware if it can't do it) |
| [08:50:28] | justinh: | directhex: and Sky don't? I am surprised |
| [08:51:01] | justinh: | directhex: and which 'some' of Virgin's HD channels? they have one HD channel AFAIK. BBC HD. The rest is on-demand |
| [08:51:37] | iamlindoro: | If pressed, one could go HDMI->Dtronics box which removes HDCP->DVI to VGA adapter->Component |
| [08:51:40] | iamlindoro: | But *yuck* |
| [08:51:53] | Tanthrix: | Lose some quality I take it? |
| [08:51:58] | justinh: | there's no compelling reason to get Virgin HD right now |
| [08:52:24] | justinh: | and until they improve the provided DVR, there will never be a compelling reason |
| [08:52:30] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, some... still wouldn't be terrible and would be much better than not getting any HD at all |
| [08:53:16] | iamlindoro: | anyway, hopefully that's a far-off day and we will just happily get component for a while |
| [08:53:17] | sdlnxgk: | what happens when like cox cable goes all HDTV?? |
| [08:53:36] | CCFL_Man2: | i want 1080p over component, why is that so hard to ask? |
| [08:53:40] | sdlnxgk: | or do they have to provide an analog service as well?? |
| [08:53:43] | justinh: | sdlnxgk: I think what we're starting to see much more of now is locking customers into solutions, just because they can |
| [08:53:56] | iamlindoro: | sdlnxgk: What about it? Use the component capture box. |
| [08:54:00] | directhex: | justinh, filmflex, i think it's called |
| [08:54:00] | justinh: | the analogue switchover is enabling it all |
| [08:54:36] | justinh: | ahh. 2 HD channels eh? well worth the extra tenner a month! |
| [08:54:50] | CCFL_Man2: | sdlnxgk: cocks cable and cumschat won't stop providing analog until atleast 2012 |
| [08:55:39] | sdlnxgk: | CCFL_Man2, cool I mean would be nice if I could get all the HDTV channels on mythtv with my pcHDTV card |
| [08:55:55] | justinh: | if piracy hadn't got the networks & film makers running scared in the first place we might not even be talking about restrictions on HD content :-\ |
| [08:56:02] | sdlnxgk: | component capture box is on the STB? |
| [08:56:11] | directhex: | and some music related stuff requires hdmi too, apparently |
| [08:56:14] | kdubya: | i dont see how they can point to piracy |
| [08:56:18] | iamlindoro: | no, it's the new device from Hauppauge |
| [08:56:22] | kdubya: | every show is online 15 minutse after it airs |
| [08:56:34] | kdubya: | obviously what they are doing isnt working |
| [08:56:38] | iamlindoro: | component out from the STB into the Component capture box from Hauppauge |
| [08:56:42] | kdubya: | and it only takes one person to upload it |
| [08:56:50] | justinh: | kdubya: why else would they want to lock everything down after it's historically been the case you can connect anything to anything & it'd just work? |
| [08:57:06] | kdubya: | but it still ends up online |
| [08:57:11] | kdubya: | they arnt stopping shit |
| [08:57:27] | directhex: | right, late for work. ciao |
| [08:57:30] | justinh: | I'm not suggesting for a minute that piracy is a legitimate excuse but I can't see any other excuse they'd want to be so damn restrictive |
| [08:57:31] | CCFL_Man2: | sdlnxgk: i would retire my false hopes and just use commercial satellite receivers, qam modulators, and c band subscriptions and do your own system |
| [08:58:06] | CCFL_Man2: | justinh: i have a solution, cancel cable service |
| [08:58:08] | Tanthrix: | sdlnxgk: CCFL_Man2 is insane. Do not listen to him. |
| [08:58:10] | Tanthrix: | ;) |
| [08:58:24] | CCFL_Man2: | lol |
| [08:58:27] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: Are you nuts? I understand that you are going to have some fun setting up your own headend, but the Hauppauge box will be the best solution for 99% of all people |
| [08:58:30] | justinh: | if it all gets too bad we can just stop watching TV & do something less boring instead |
| [08:58:36] | Tanthrix: | CCFL_Man2: Really though, I honestly think that. |
| [08:58:42] | Tanthrix: | justinh: Hear hear! |
| [08:58:46] | justinh: | long time ago I realised TV isn't a birthright |
| [08:58:53] | CCFL_Man2: | i'm mildly man :P |
| [08:59:17] | kdubya: | does that mean you are a neuter |
| [08:59:20] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: i know, but i hate cable tv :P |
| [08:59:23] | justinh: | take it for granted like so many have for so long & you begin to lose sight of the real story |
| [08:59:46] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: Dude got fined for a Dish network dish and you want him to tune C band??? |
| [08:59:57] | CCFL_Man2: | justinh: there should be no content restrictions |
| [09:00:03] | justinh: | at the end of the day it's all about making megabigcorp some money. er. loads of money and screw you guys |
| [09:00:17] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: fined? |
| [09:00:29] | justinh: | muh muh muh everything should be free & open. yeah, well who will PAY for the next Heroes to be made, huh? who?! |
| [09:00:35] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: Heh, I see you haven't been reading the conversation |
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| [09:00:51] | CCFL_Man2: | i just joined in :P |
| [09:01:12] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: Even if he had, he'd still say that, because he's insane and is going to create the world's most bizaree and complex myth setup to get like 8 HD channels via satellite. |
| [09:01:18] | justinh: | way I see it is that the piracy groups & the availability of P2P – not to mention human nature – have all contributed to the status quo |
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| [09:01:22] | Tanthrix: | Still, I'd be curious to see how it works out ;) |
| [09:01:35] | iamlindoro: | Tanthrix: Seconded! |
| [09:01:45] | iamlindoro: | the first part about him being crazy |
| [09:01:48] | Tanthrix: | hehe |
| [09:02:10] | CCFL_Man2: | fined for piracy or fined by local gov't for stupid violations? |
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| [09:02:24] | sdlnxgk: | everyone calls me crazy at work but I thought that was a good thing !! |
| [09:02:32] | iamlindoro: | I'll be curious if it works out, too. If it works out, I'll nod my head and go, "Interesting!" If it all costs him a fortune and doesn't work... well.. I'll laugh *real* hard. |
| [09:02:42] | sdlnxgk: | CCFL_Man2, fined by HOA for having dish up on patio :( |
| [09:02:47] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: Neither, fined by his condo association |
| [09:02:57] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh |
| [09:03:15] | CCFL_Man2: | he can fight back, fcc law i think |
| [09:03:23] | iamlindoro: | covered it ;) |
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| [09:03:27] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh |
| [09:03:31] | sdlnxgk: | CCFL_Man2, just printed it all out :) |
| [09:03:47] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: why wouldn't my setup work? |
| [09:03:55] | CCFL_Man2: | sdlnxgk: sweet |
| [09:04:09] | justinh: | anyway you all do realise that the ideal for networks will be to find some way of losing advertising revenue. I mean that's what it's all about isn't it? that's what pays for our precious shows (well maybe not in the UK so much but hey). it's actually technically possible for them to lock you in & prevent you even changing channels during an ad break. nobody does it yet but they might. tivo keeps on the right side |
| [09:04:26] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: More equipment = more points of failure... Not saying I hope it will, anyway |
| [09:04:45] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: I still think you're swatting a fly with an elephant gun, but... |
| [09:04:49] | Tanthrix: | justinh: True enough. |
| [09:05:20] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: each part will be seperate, the sat irds, qam modulators, that'll be seperate |
| [09:05:22] | justinh: | if it was my game I might be tempted to do what they're doing, maybe even go further. I mean Lear jets don't refuel themselves |
| [09:05:42] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: yes, exaclty my point, and each a point of failure |
| [09:06:06] | CCFL_Man2: | the mythtv system and satellite qam system |
| [09:06:42] | CCFL_Man2: | it'll be two seperate systems, each can work independantly |
| [09:07:06] | CCFL_Man2: | if qam goes down, atsc will still work |
| [09:07:21] | Tanthrix: | CCFL_Man2: Your idea is nuts, and totally pointless given the new card that's coming out. And the burden of proof is on you to show that it will work (which I'd like to point out that it's something that neither you or anyone else as ever done) not us to prove that it won't. We just have experience to rely on that says such crazy, complex things tend not to work out so well. |
| [09:07:26] | iamlindoro: | right... and each piece of your cable headend is dependent on the others... if my cable goes to hell, I take the box back to Comcast... if yours goes to hell, you're sitting on multiple thousands of dollars worth of useless shit |
| [09:07:38] | justinh: | CCFL_Man2: some consolation maybe.. saw a hacking website (as in messing about with hardware in a big way).. this guy made a remote controlled truck thing.. anyway it had a camera on it with some sort of homebrew dvb-t modulator attached (!) |
| [09:08:04] | ** justinh goes to work ** | |
| [09:08:15] | CCFL_Man2: | justinh: lol |
| [09:08:51] | CCFL_Man2: | Tanthrix: i am going to do all c band anyway |
| [09:09:10] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: i can repair it if something breaks |
| [09:09:12] | Tanthrix: | One $250 card and you can record all your HD stuff from satellite or cable with negligible quality loss, or a thousand dollar setup that requires a) a large ass dish on c-band which is probably going to disappear at some point, b) a reciever that you *think* will be able to be authenticated and output the digital streams, and c) "qam modulators" which I've never seen for sale anywhere, and d) an already complex myth system to |
| [09:09:42] | iamlindoro: | ^^^^ What he said. |
| [09:09:52] | Tanthrix: | (Where d is really equal to about ten other things) |
| [09:09:56] | CCFL_Man2: | c band will never die |
| [09:09:58] | iamlindoro: | Hating the cable company is *not* an excuse. So get Dish network. |
| [09:10:18] | iamlindoro: | Trust us. We are trying to help you get laid at some point, and multiple large dishes will NOT help. |
| [09:10:25] | Tanthrix: | CCFL_Man2: And why's that? I don't think I've seen a c-band dish in use for like 10 years. |
| [09:10:27] | CCFL_Man2: | dishnet has terrible picture quality |
| [09:10:49] | Tanthrix: | CCFL_Man2: Turn that big dish into a radio telescope, and then you'll be putting it to good use ;) |
| [09:10:50] | iamlindoro: | TV is NOT everything |
| [09:11:01] | CCFL_Man2: | Tanthrix: thats becauae no one knows how to use them when pizza pie dishes are out there |
| [09:11:09] | CCFL_Man2: | lol |
| [09:11:23] | CCFL_Man2: | c band is the way to go |
| [09:11:46] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: Easy for you to say, even *you* haven't ever set up such a system. |
| [09:11:49] | Tanthrix: | ...if you're insane. Don't forget that last part. |
| [09:12:06] | iamlindoro: | Whereas I *have* and I still just want the Hauppauge box. |
| [09:12:11] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: i have a 6ft dish out there now |
| [09:12:36] | iamlindoro: | CCFL_Man2: That does not = having set up a full headend/cable distribution system |
| [09:13:02] | CCFL_Man2: | only thing that is stopping me is cash :P |
| [09:13:15] | iamlindoro: | anyway, it's no use arguing with you, but your way is *not* "the way to go" as you keep saying... it may not even be *a* way to go, until you prove it's workable |
| [09:13:36] | iamlindoro: | "the way to go" is the way a given person can afford and enjoy their TV whilst still having a real life. |
| [09:13:39] | CCFL_Man2: | i will prove it works |
| [09:13:50] | iamlindoro: | good luck, let's stop talking about it. |
| [09:13:51] | rooaus: | CCFL_Man2: Ah, the *only* thing. Well that is easy to fix... isn't it? |
| [09:13:55] | ** CCFL_Man2 has no real life ** | |
| [09:14:09] | iamlindoro: | GET ONE |
| [09:14:17] | CCFL_Man2: | rooaus: heh |
| [09:14:19] | rooaus: | But at least you glow in the dark (CCFL Man) |
| [09:14:31] | CCFL_Man2: | i do! |
| [09:14:38] | iamlindoro: | take all that money and put it into a nice myth box, and find the hippest chick you know and have her pick out some clothes for you. |
| [09:14:39] | sdlnxgk: | is there a new box by ATI for new computers systems only for HD and analog cable recordings? |
| [09:14:44] | iamlindoro: | Then make her take you out one night a week. |
| [09:14:44] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: I'm afraid we must part here. I've never been a fan of the "get a life" mentality. Most people out there would tell you to get a life, given how much time you've spent on your mythboxen. |
| [09:15:06] | CCFL_Man2: | lol |
| [09:15:16] | iamlindoro: | Tanthrix: At least I can point out the multitude of things I do that are real life things |
| [09:15:44] | Tanthrix: | Nevertheless, it is still a very highschool-esque thing to say, and you forsake any of your geekhood by repeating it! |
| [09:16:14] | iamlindoro: | Tanthrix: I claim no geekhood! Not to mention *he* said he had no life, not I |
| [09:16:41] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: Whether you claim it or not makes no difference. You are one by the very nature of being in this channel right now. ;) |
| [09:17:00] | iamlindoro: | Tanthrix: Well I don't *deny* it either... but I have a life. :) |
| [09:17:06] | Tanthrix: | hehe |
| [09:17:40] | iamlindoro: | I'm just not that worried about labeling it. I would probably drastically cut back my time in this room if I weren't so bored at work. |
| [09:18:29] | iamlindoro: | anyway, bed time, night all |
| [09:19:23] | Tanthrix: | CCFL_Man2: Anyway, that all being said, you remind me of a friend I had in grade school. He was always coming up with crazy ideas like wanting to build his own computer from scratch, or writing his own operating system. Needless to say, he didn't do either. Until you put your money where your mouth is and actually get this crazy setup and running, you shouldn't talk about it. |
| [09:19:43] | Tanthrix: | CCFL_Man2: There's a $300 qam modulator on ebay right now with your name on it. ;) |
| [09:19:48] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: G'night. |
| [09:21:39] | opentrinity: | iamlindoro 'night.....i 'm just wake up |
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| [10:17:33] | justinh: | arghhh you effing C! do not reset while I'm uploading a new bootloader to your flash |
| [10:19:10] | justinh: | fank gawd for tftp :) |
| [10:19:10] | quicksilver: | my optical driver just stopped working in themiddle of a DVD last night. |
| [10:19:11] | quicksilver: | that sucks. |
| [10:19:28] | quicksilver: | rebooted the machien and it gets probed OK as /dev/hda |
| [10:19:37] | quicksilver: | but any attempt to mount a disk and I don't think it even spins up. |
| [10:20:45] | justinh: | new ones are cheap enough. unless you're talking slot loading slimline :) |
| [10:21:05] | quicksilver: | you're right new ones are cheap |
| [10:21:17] | quicksilver: | and advantage of self-built box as opposed to appliance is easy to replace |
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| [10:22:38] | quicksilver: | is it better ot get a SATA one? |
| [10:22:40] | quicksilver: | this one was PATA |
| [10:22:50] | quicksilver: | but the machine has a spare SATA connector I think. |
| [10:22:59] | directhex|bsp: | sata has nicer cabling |
| [10:23:00] | quicksilver: | mind you, I might want to save the spare SATA connector for future hard disk. |
| [10:23:04] | justinh: | AFAIK even SATA ones are just PATA with an onboard bridge |
| [10:23:17] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, aye, but they have neater cabling! |
| [10:23:42] | justinh: | I'm starting to warm to sata now it's maturing |
| [10:24:21] | justinh: | haven't seen any nasty "oh this HDD won't work this this controller" problems for a while now |
| [10:25:23] | quicksilver: | any HW manufactures you like / I should avoid? |
| [10:25:27] | justinh: | best thing about sata IMHO is port multipliers :D |
| [10:25:31] | directhex|bsp: | i never saw that happen, beyond the sata1/sata2 move, where all drives had a BC jumper that people simply forgot to set |
| [10:25:45] | directhex|bsp: | quicksilver, for optics? doesn't make much difference in linux |
| [10:25:51] | at0m|c: | quicksilver, on optical sata hasnt got real speed advantages eh, compared to sata for hd's. and keeps a spare sata for hd :) |
| [10:25:56] | justinh: | are PM supported in linux kernels yet? |
| [10:25:57] | quicksilver: | directhex|bsp: yeah, for a DVD burner. |
| [10:26:08] | quicksilver: | at0m|c: that was what I was thinking, yeah. GOod point. |
| [10:26:23] | Dibblah: | SATA has been native for _years_ now... ;) |
| [10:26:28] | DGnome: | SATA ftw |
| [10:26:46] | DGnome: | PATA-cables are so... not fun |
| [10:27:04] | justinh: | I know linux kernels have supported sata for ages but what about port multipliers hmmm? |
| [10:27:10] | quicksilver: | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/134324 |
| [10:27:14] | Dibblah: | Aaaages. |
| [10:27:16] | quicksilver: | seems to be the cheapest dual layer |
| [10:27:16] | at0m|c: | who cares about a cable in a box eh |
| [10:27:26] | Dibblah: | Since 2.6.18 or so, I think. |
| [10:27:33] | DGnome: | at0m|c: when the box is small and heat is problem :) |
| [10:27:45] | at0m|c: | then get a rounded one.. |
| [10:27:51] | Dibblah: | Of course, you had to hunt down the patch for port multipliers and kill it yourself. |
| [10:28:02] | DGnome: | at0m|c: still not fun, becuase the connectors suck |
| [10:28:19] | justinh: | Dibblah: I'll have to take the fancy PM aware card I've got here & see if it works in linux. if it does I may get one of my own |
| [10:28:23] | Dibblah: | And "rounding" cables is a nonsense idea. |
| [10:28:51] | justinh: | Dibblah: yeah at some level crosstalk becomes an issue |
| [10:28:57] | Dibblah: | ... High frequency, square wave, high voltage signals? Yes, let's just munge them all together! |
| [10:29:07] | DGnome: | SATA wins on performance too, remeber the fact that pata shares channels and performance goes to hell |
| [10:29:07] | directhex|bsp: | i have a box full of expensive rounded cables i retired because sata is simply better |
| [10:29:22] | directhex|bsp: | the wife's new machine is pleasantly legacy-free – no pata, no floppy |
| [10:29:26] | at0m|c: | DGnome, cmon, for an optical drive? |
| [10:29:29] | Dibblah: | What's the card? |
| [10:29:39] | DGnome: | at0m|c: ofcourse |
| [10:29:47] | justinh: | you say that, yet one of my backend's HDDs shares a channel with an optical drive |
| [10:29:48] | Dibblah: | justinh: , I mean. |
| [10:29:55] | DGnome: | at0m|c: I only use sata nowadays if just can. |
| [10:29:58] | siXy: | however many sata cables are unpleasantly stiff, the flexibility of rounded pata cables can be useful |
| [10:30:24] | quicksilver: | DGnome: well is the only device on the PATA bus... |
| [10:30:32] | quicksilver: | DGnome: so sharing isn't really the issue |
| [10:30:39] | justinh: | Dibblah: Tempo something or other. SiL 3132 based |
| [10:30:42] | quicksilver: | MB has 2xSATA controllers and 1xPATA |
| [10:30:54] | Dibblah: | Ah. That's supported, AFAIK. |
| [10:31:04] | Dibblah: | There's only two drivers that support PM. |
| [10:31:16] | DGnome: | and with SATA you get passed that nasty can't find cdrom in the debian installer :) |
| [10:31:34] | Dibblah: | (SATA_SIL24/32 and the ahci one, sometimes) |
| [10:31:58] | Dibblah: | AHCI depends on the chipset. |
| [10:34:38] | quicksilver: | hmm. I wonder if there is anything else I want to buy to make up the ebuyer order. |
| [10:35:42] | quicksilver: | I'm going to need another of those super-stregth adhesive pad things to fit the drive front, though |
| [10:35:47] | quicksilver: | wonder if ebuyer sell those |
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| [10:36:22] | quicksilver: | not even surt what to search for though :) |
| [10:36:25] | quicksilver: | do they have a name? |
| [10:40:26] | justinh: | quicksilver: woolworths? :) |
| [10:40:40] | quicksilver: | fair point. |
| [10:40:54] | Dibblah: | justinh: What's the URL for Woolworths? ;) |
| [10:41:20] | justinh: | try www.pritt.co.uk or something. Pritt sticky pads :D |
| [10:41:35] | directhex|bsp: | just use double sided sticky tape, especially the foam stuff |
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| [10:43:26] | Kazuhiro: | Hi all, anyone got some tips for configuring myth with a dtv1000 leadtek card on 7.10 ubuntu |
| [10:46:57] | justinh: | Kazuhiro: not the dtv-1000 S I hope |
| [10:47:23] | Kazuhiro: | 01:06.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05) |
| [10:47:23] | Kazuhiro: | 01:06.2 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [MPEG Port] (rev 05) |
| [10:47:34] | justinh: | lspci info is no use |
| [10:47:44] | justinh: | if the model number has 'S' in it, it won't work in linux |
| [10:48:09] | Kazuhiro: | hmm ok |
| [10:48:15] | Kazuhiro: | let me just go n check the box. |
| [10:48:30] | directhex|bsp: | there's a modprobey bug in ubuntu iirc, it won't load cx88-dvb automatically. that could be it |
| [10:48:42] | justinh: | if it hasn't got 'S' in the model number, just sudo modprobe cx88-dvb |
| [10:48:45] | directhex|bsp: | assuming it's not the S |
| [10:49:16] | Kazuhiro: | 1000T |
| [10:49:18] | ** justinh wonders if the S version is ever likely to work in linux. be handy. they're only 20 quid ** | |
| [10:49:47] | justinh: | Kazuhiro: just sudo modprobe cx88-dvb then. and before you even go near mythtv test the card with dvb-utils the way several howtos describe |
| [10:50:48] | justinh: | known working hardware is one of the steps to succeeding with mythtv :) |
| [10:51:54] | Kazuhiro: | well from what Iread on forums this card is supported |
| [10:52:20] | justinh: | knowing the card works in linux & mythtv from hearsay is one thing. |
| [10:52:47] | justinh: | verifying you can get a decent signal & proving _your_ hardware works before playing with mythtv can save a LOT of hassle later |
| [10:54:10] | justinh: | a step way too many people miss out, then they never know what the problem is. is it the card? the antenna? mythtv?! and they never get to know without using a process of elimination which they could have done sooner & saved hours of hassle |
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| [10:56:01] | Kazuhiro: | justdave, ok looking for a decent guide. if you have one if your favorites list could you link me? |
| [10:56:18] | Kazuhiro: | I also had two new digital antenas installed today |
| [11:01:01] | justinh: | Kazuhiro: basically first run the scan utility which is part of dvb-utils |
| [11:01:47] | justinh: | you run it like scan /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-t/ |
| [11:01:59] | justinh: | .. with the name of your local transmitter |
| [11:02:10] | DGnome: | Kazuhiro: whats a digital antenna? |
| [11:03:23] | Kazuhiro: | My brother in law tells me they DVBT |
| [11:03:26] | Kazuhiro: | are ^ |
| [11:03:44] | DGnome: | antennas are very analogue |
| [11:04:02] | DGnome: | the frequency range is the important thing |
| [11:04:38] | DGnome: | You propably have UHF for DVB-T, as I do |
| [11:05:34] | Kazuhiro: | http://pastebin.com/m13e65b71 |
| [11:06:08] | Kazuhiro: | at a guess looks like that is all good |
| [11:06:49] | DGnome: | looks good |
| [11:06:54] | DGnome: | HD-vhannels and all |
| [11:07:02] | DGnome: | channels... |
| [11:07:18] | DGnome: | I wish we had HD-broadcasts |
| [11:07:38] | DGnome: | Propably wont happen till 2010 |
| [11:08:23] | Kazuhiro: | so now how do I get this data into mythtv using mythbuntu or editing some ifles? |
| [11:09:55] | DGnome: | run mythtv-setup, use the scan function (recommended) or import channels.conf |
| [11:10:39] | DGnome: | Kazuhiro: that scan that you just ran, you can redo it with "> channels.conf" at the end of the line to create a "channels.conf" |
| [11:11:22] | DGnome: | afaik mythtv-setup scanner works with .au |
| [11:11:31] | Kazuhiro: | ok |
| [11:13:03] | Kazuhiro: | Do I use ATSC modulation on the scan type page? |
| [11:13:15] | DGnome: | absolutely not :) |
| [11:13:30] | DGnome: | ATSC is the american digital tv standard |
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| [11:15:00] | DGnome: | check the mythtv wiki for mythtv-setup howtos |
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| [11:18:47] | DGnome: | Kazuhiro: when you manage to get the scanner to find all channels, you are good to go |
| [11:18:55] | Kazuhiro: | ok |
| [11:21:49] | Kazuhiro: | hmm I dumped the channels.conf in a readable directory and myth is returning failed ot parse.. |
| [11:22:06] | DGnome: | try using the internal scanner |
| [11:22:25] | DGnome: | if it works, everything is correct |
| [11:22:53] | directhex|bsp: | don't import channels.conf |
| [11:23:34] | Kazuhiro: | ok so I create a video source, |
| [11:23:45] | DGnome: | and a capture card |
| [11:23:59] | DGnome: | capture card first :) |
| [11:24:17] | Kazuhiro: | HDTV: /dev/video0 |
| [11:24:22] | DGnome: | no |
| [11:24:23] | DGnome: | DTV |
| [11:24:42] | directhex|bsp: | don't use /dev/video for digital |
| [11:24:52] | directhex|bsp: | digital uses /dev/dvb/adapter*/ |
| [11:25:18] | Kazuhiro: | ok, use the DVB DTV capture card v3.x? |
| [11:25:22] | directhex|bsp: | http://img.hexus.net/v2/articles/MythTV/myth-11.jpg |
| [11:25:25] | DGnome: | Kazuhiro: when you have the right DTV adapter select, it will tell which tuner chip is on it |
| [11:25:44] | Kazuhiro: | ok |
| [11:26:43] | DGnome: | not tuner, frontend :) |
| [11:27:07] | Kazuhiro: | hmm useing /dev/video0 it is finding channels now using DVB DTV v3.x |
| [11:27:21] | DGnome: | eh? |
| [11:27:30] | DGnome: | forget /dev/video0 |
| [11:27:43] | Kazuhiro: | that what is it detecting automatically |
| [11:27:50] | Kazuhiro: | when doing it like http://img.hexus.net/v2/articles/MythTV/myth-11.jpg |
| [11:28:08] | DGnome: | you have to select DTV |
| [11:28:14] | directhex|bsp: | no, because that screenshot would be using /dev/dvb/adapter0/* |
| [11:28:25] | DGnome: | and then select DVB CARD NUMBER |
| [11:28:31] | Kazuhiro: | hmm ok |
| [11:28:43] | DGnome: | directhex|bsp: telling him about /dev/dvb/* is of no use |
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| [11:29:01] | DGnome: | directhex|bsp: all he has to know is CARD NUMBER :) |
| [11:29:08] | directhex|bsp: | DGnome, i assumed it might sink in that "dvb" and "video" are spelt differently |
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| [11:29:21] | DGnome: | you have a point there |
| [11:29:46] | Kazuhiro: | dvb card num is 0 |
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| [11:30:09] | DGnome: | Kazuhiro: does it tell what subtype the card is? |
| [11:30:48] | Kazuhiro: | DVB-t |
| [11:30:57] | DGnome: | good |
| [11:31:00] | DGnome: | it works then |
| [11:31:09] | DGnome: | next up, input source |
| [11:33:24] | DGnome: | and after the input source, you have to connect the input source to the capture card |
| [11:33:35] | Kazuhiro: | ok |
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| [11:33:43] | DGnome: | and when that is done, you can scan channels |
| [11:33:48] | DGnome: | automagically |
| [11:33:49] | Kazuhiro: | ok, cool |
| [11:33:59] | DGnome: | no messing around with channels.conf |
| [11:34:10] | DGnome: | you just select Australia and full scan |
| [11:37:35] | DGnome: | when you are done setting up and notice that one tuner is not enough, get another :) |
| [11:38:30] | directhex|bsp: | DGnome, one tuner is enough! multirec! |
| [11:38:42] | Kazuhiro: | :) |
| [11:39:02] | DGnome: | directhex|bsp: so? I have interesting channels on two muxes |
| [11:39:11] | directhex|bsp: | :o weirdo! |
| [11:39:18] | DGnome: | I need alotta tuners |
| [11:39:44] | DGnome: | I record a crapload of stuff because I never watch tv when the show is on |
| [11:40:05] | DGnome: | so, when I have time, I'll always jave something to watch |
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| [11:40:34] | DGnome: | directhex|bsp: this guy has HD-channels on 3 different muxes |
| [11:41:03] | DGnome: | If I were in his underware, I'd have three tuners. |
| [11:42:11] | Kazuhiro: | the box is a c2duo 2.2ghz 2gb ram, 2x500gb sata with 768gb lvm with xfs part |
| [11:42:18] | Kazuhiro: | one more pci slot left |
| [11:42:31] | Kazuhiro: | so maybe once I get my head around it all |
| [11:42:31] | DGnome: | nice |
| [11:42:41] | Kazuhiro: | ill throw another tuner at it |
| [11:42:51] | Kazuhiro: | my problem now is the frontent cant connect to the backend |
| [11:43:02] | DGnome: | mysql problems |
| [11:43:17] | Kazuhiro: | mysql? the error says the ipaddress is wrong.. |
| [11:43:25] | Kazuhiro: | the mysql issues I already resolved... I think |
| [11:43:32] | Kazuhiro: | have not seen any more. |
| [11:43:35] | DGnome: | see too that mysql is bound on an adress that can be contacted from the frontend |
| [11:43:45] | DGnome: | and yes, frontend problems are usually mysql-based :) |
| [11:43:55] | quicksilver: | do people sell standalone DACs any more? |
| [11:44:14] | quicksilver: | I was wondering if taking optical out from my myth box and running it into a standalone DAC might give better sound. |
| [11:44:20] | Kazuhiro: | ok restsarted mysql on 0.0.0.0 |
| [11:44:23] | quicksilver: | than shitty on-motherboard audio. |
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| [11:44:41] | DGnome: | quicksilver: eh, what? |
| [11:45:00] | Kazuhiro: | I am using onboard spdif out and my amp picked it up with full 5.1 |
| [11:45:04] | DGnome: | quicksilver: as long as it's digital audio, it cant be worsened by onboard audio chips |
| [11:45:08] | Kazuhiro: | when I plaued a test rip |
| [11:45:18] | quicksilver: | DGnome: but it isn't, it comes out analog. |
| [11:45:26] | quicksilver: | DGnome: because my amp doesn't have a digital input |
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| [11:45:33] | quicksilver: | (being an analog amp, it wouldn't) |
| [11:45:38] | justinh: | jesus we're doing walkthoughs not |
| [11:45:41] | justinh: | *now |
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| [11:45:42] | quicksilver: | so I was wondering about a DAC. |
| [11:45:49] | DGnome: | quicksilver: well then, get a new amp :) |
| [11:46:14] | justinh: | separate DACs are for ponces IMHO |
| [11:46:19] | quicksilver: | I'm considering a new amp. |
| [11:46:27] | quicksilver: | But I'm not convinced I want a digital one. |
| [11:46:39] | quicksilver: | They are all 5.1 or 7.1 and I think I"m happy with two speakers. |
| [11:46:40] | DGnome: | quicksilver: standalone DACs are usually not availeble, or cost more than a new amp |
| [11:46:54] | DGnome: | quicksilver: Onkyo 605 is nice |
| [11:46:55] | justinh: | well, essentially DVD surround sound is compressed. so wasting 'true hifi |
| [11:47:02] | justinh: | on it is silly |
| [11:47:15] | DGnome: | quicksilver: and yes, even though you only have two speakers, as I do, a digital 99.5 AMP is good |
| [11:47:17] | justinh: | just get a halfway decent home cinema receiver |
| [11:47:50] | DGnome: | quicksilver: my onkyo lets me turn all signals into stereo without quality loss. |
| [11:48:32] | quicksilver: | DGnome: what does 99.5 mean in this context? |
| [11:48:33] | Kazuhiro: | hmm ok 2008-01–23 06:42:16.205 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.0.5:6543 (try 1 of 5) |
| [11:48:33] | Kazuhiro: | 2008-01–23 06:42:16.206 Connection timed out. |
| [11:48:33] | Kazuhiro: | You probably should modify the Master Server |
| [11:48:33] | Kazuhiro: | settings in the setup program and set the |
| [11:48:33] | Kazuhiro: | proper IP address. |
| [11:48:35] | justinh: | even my midrange yamaha lets me turn surround into stereo |
| [11:48:41] | justinh: | pastebin! |
| [11:48:54] | Kazuhiro: | attempts to run the init script for mythtv backend dont start it up.. |
| [11:49:03] | justinh: | should really start banning people who paste more than 3 lines |
| [11:49:44] | quicksilver: | justinh: the main objective of the hifi is to play music from CDs. But I play the myth box through it because I might as well. |
| [11:50:07] | quicksilver: | justinh: and don't really want / afford a two separate hifi + cinema setups |
| [11:50:31] | justinh: | my yamaha does a great job of playing ordinary stereo |
| [11:50:40] | justinh: | digital or analogue |
| [11:51:15] | justinh: | so it's not the highest of fi but tbh I don't have time to sit down & concentrate on listening anymore |
| [11:51:36] | justinh: | might be a different matter if years of DJing didn't bash my ears to bits |
| [11:52:34] | quicksilver: | nod |
| [11:52:39] | quicksilver: | well I'm no connoiseur |
| [11:52:43] | ** quicksilver sighs ** | |
| [11:52:51] | quicksilver: | the AV amps are all so ugly though! |
| [11:52:58] | quicksilver: | I had almost decided on this smart looking denon |
| [11:53:03] | quicksilver: | and now you've confused me again :( |
| [11:53:37] | justinh: | quicksilver: are you absolutely never going to consider surround sound in the lifetime of the amp? if so, just get a stereo hifi amp with a digital input |
| [11:54:08] | quicksilver: | I like this one |
| [11:54:08] | quicksilver: | http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/morei . . . duct_ID/3010 |
| [11:54:10] | DGnome: | quicksilver: Get an Onkyo av-receiver and br happy :) |
| [11:54:17] | quicksilver: | But, it doesn't have digital in. |
| [11:54:24] | quicksilver: | It does switch video though, which is a nice plus. |
| [11:54:32] | justinh: | I don't think my setup looks bad. it doesn't have any flashing lights |
| [11:54:49] | justinh: | I've seen those technics boy racer stereos lighting up rooms :) |
| [11:54:54] | directhex|bsp: | DGnome, they're not pretty, but they're certainly good for the money |
| [11:55:06] | DGnome: | directhex|bsp: correct |
| [11:55:20] | DGnome: | directhex|bsp: allthough i like the brutish black color on them :) |
| [11:55:36] | justinh: | black electronic equipment is all fugly |
| [11:55:41] | directhex|bsp: | DGnome, has anything come close to the 605's spec sheet yet? |
| [11:55:47] | DGnome: | directhex|bsp: looks like something Jeremy Clarkson would scream "POOOOWWERRRRR!!" about :) |
| [11:56:50] | DGnome: | directhex|bsp: afaik, no. Waiting for yamaha to step up though. |
| [11:57:17] | DGnome: | Yamaha makes good receivers but they lack HDMI so far |
| [11:57:20] | justinh: | hmm yummy, http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/morei . . . duct_ID/3371 |
| [11:57:47] | quicksilver: | I can't find a DAB-supporting onkyo. |
| [11:57:54] | quicksilver: | There was a yamaha I was looking at the other day. |
| [11:58:22] | quicksilver: | http://www.empiredirect.co.uk/content/product . . . yamaha.htm#_ |
| [11:58:26] | justinh: | putting DAB into a hifi is a lot like playing a 64kbit mp3 on an mp3 player you got from Asda for £15 |
| [11:58:34] | DGnome: | quicksilver: where do you live? |
| [11:58:42] | quicksilver: | DGnome: essex. |
| [11:58:59] | DGnome: | quicksilver: essex, brtiain? |
| [11:59:00] | quicksilver: | which is in england, btw :) |
| [11:59:01] | quicksilver: | yeah |
| [11:59:02] | DGnome: | britain.. |
| [11:59:04] | DGnome: | england.. |
| [11:59:06] | DGnome: | yeah |
| [11:59:08] | justinh: | get on the train & go to the big smoke. Tottenham Ct Road :) |
| [11:59:15] | quicksilver: | justinh: I work in the big smoke. |
| [11:59:40] | quicksilver: | justinh: you're right, but I want to listen to DAB and I would like not to need too many boxes :) |
| [11:59:52] | DGnome: | quicksilver: what justinh said, DAB is low quality and you can get a DAB-receiver and connect it to your onkyo. |
| [11:59:52] | quicksilver: | so whilst the quality of the DAB won't be up to much you might as well have it in the sam ebox. |
| [11:59:56] | quicksilver: | it doesn't do any harm. |
| [12:00:16] | justinh: | DAB should be standard on all radios by now. it's more than 10 years old ffs |
| [12:00:45] | justinh: | man that onkyo 505 is ugleee |
| [12:01:45] | quicksilver: | bah |
| [12:02:08] | quicksilver: | Ok, well I've learnt something. An AV receiver will happily drive two speakers for now until I feel like buying more? |
| [12:02:14] | directhex|bsp: | quicksilver, yes |
| [12:02:16] | justinh: | of course |
| [12:02:20] | directhex|bsp: | quicksilver, i run 2.1 from my 7.1 onkyo |
| [12:02:31] | directhex|bsp: | quicksilver, it handles all appropriate downmixing for me |
| [12:02:36] | DGnome: | justinh: we donät have DAB, it was too costly and little amount of devices that support DAB according to our equivalnt of BBC |
| [12:02:59] | justinh: | DRM might end up being big |
| [12:03:33] | DGnome: | Onkyo ftw |
| [12:04:00] | justinh: | hahaha 100ms lipsync correction. ffs what kind of video processing would eat 100ms? |
| [12:05:15] | siXy: | in fact 2 decent speakers will sound better than a cheap 5.1/7.1 setup any day |
| [12:05:41] | DGnome: | siXy: correct |
| [12:06:16] | quicksilver: | I have some tannoy mercurys which I believe are pretty good. |
| [12:06:28] | quicksilver: | although I'm no expert as previously stated. They sound nice to me. |
| [12:06:42] | DGnome: | I have a pair of Wharfedale 9.5 -speakers and usually all guests drop their jaw when they hear a bit of Pink Floyd through them :) |
| [12:07:03] | DGnome: | <3 my wharfedales |
| [12:07:22] | quicksilver: | standalone DAB tuners are surprisingly expensive, except the bargain basement ones. |
| [12:07:39] | siXy: | quicksilver: tannoy make good speakers generally, but i'm not familiar with that particular model |
| [12:07:42] | quicksilver: | and for maximum WAF I'm supposed to be shopping for a bunch of kit which matches, design-wise. |
| [12:07:55] | quicksilver: | preferably all components from same manufacturer. |
| [12:07:57] | quicksilver: | bah. |
| [12:10:11] | justinh: | remortgage your place & go to a specialist hifi shop:D |
| [12:10:48] | siXy: | yeah, a set of B&W speakers and an arcam amp will sound great and match nicely :) |
| [12:11:47] | justinh: | siXy: hifi goes more expensive than that. emperor's new clothes expensive |
| [12:12:02] | quicksilver: | oh. |
| [12:12:11] | quicksilver: | denon do AV receivers too. and they look nicer :P |
| [12:12:36] | DGnome: | forget B&W, http://www.acapella.de/german/spharon.htm |
| [12:12:39] | justinh: | denon pro audio gear is nice |
| [12:12:46] | siXy: | justinh: oh much more. that was suposed to be a realistic suggestion, not a sily one |
| [12:13:12] | justinh: | what are richer sounds doing on special this week I wonder? |
| [12:13:42] | ** siXy checks superfi too ** | |
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| [12:14:14] | quicksilver: | is there anything wrong with this one: |
| [12:14:14] | quicksilver: | http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/morei . . . duct_ID/3590 |
| [12:14:21] | quicksilver: | in your opinions? |
| [12:14:24] | DGnome: | http://acapella.de/german/excali.htm <-- more nice horns there :) |
| [12:14:46] | quicksilver: | could match that with a denon CD player and a denon DAB tuner and hopefully get WAF. |
| [12:14:58] | siXy: | quicksilver: its ok(ish) for movies, but really sucks for music |
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| [12:15:24] | siXy: | however your standards may differ. most superfi have a demo room for you to listen to the equipment |
| [12:15:40] | DGnome: | quicksilver: looks good |
| [12:15:42] | directhex|bsp: | quicksilver, what are your requirements? |
| [12:15:47] | ** opentrinity support marantz ** | |
| [12:16:11] | Puhi: | i just bought marantz sr-7002 and a cd player |
| [12:16:14] | DGnome: | siXy: what makes that denon avr bad for music? |
| [12:16:18] | quicksilver: | directhex|bsp: play CDs / DAB radio / optical in for myth box / look nice / not be too expensive :) |
| [12:16:24] | justinh: | pretend you're 17, with your first ever salary in hand. buy the biggest loudest one with the most flashing lights like most men would |
| [12:16:27] | directhex|bsp: | actually, that looks good! seems to match the 605's spec? |
| [12:16:32] | directhex|bsp: | fuck, i spent 400 quid on my 605 :( |
| [12:16:46] | DGnome: | directhex|bsp: 605 has more power |
| [12:16:53] | quicksilver: | directhex|bsp: oh, and support my existing (2, only) speakers. |
| [12:17:01] | directhex|bsp: | DGnome, meh. some of us need to worry about annoying the neighbors! |
| [12:17:19] | justinh: | quicksilver: I can't think I've ever seen a surround amp that wouldn't do stereo capably |
| [12:17:38] | DGnome: | directhex|bsp and quicksilver :: the avr lacks DTS HD MASTER and DOLBY TRUHD |
| [12:17:47] | mzb_d800: | . |
| [12:17:47] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [12:17:47] | mzb_d800: | I've been burning recordings to DVD for weeks ... and it's only now that the boss wan't to try watching one |
| [12:17:51] | mzb_d800: | now I discover all sorts of problems with playing them |
| [12:17:55] | mzb_d800: | /etc/fstab defined an entry for hdd ... disabled that |
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| [12:17:59] | mzb_d800: | I had "Rip DVD on insertion" set |
| [12:18:02] | Daviey: | directhex|bsp: yeah, you've got to have all the lovely european porn in dolby surrond.. really makes you feel you are there :) |
| [12:18:03] | mzb_d800: | ... so set it to "Do Nothing on Insertion" |
| [12:18:05] | mzb_d800: | still it borks |
| [12:18:09] | mzb_d800: | what am I missing? udev or something? |
| [12:18:10] | Puhi: | justinh, i used to be a "stereo only" kind of guy but marantz does play cds properly too |
| [12:18:13] | mzb_d800: | (I haven't restarted yet) |
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| [12:18:15] | justinh: | and no I don't mean 'take 2 channels & mung them around into some weird DSP generated sound field' |
| [12:18:30] | siXy: | DGnome: just sounds terrible IMO. weak, lacking definition and poor stereo seperation. its a problem common to almost all denon budget av amps – they concentrate almost exclusively on movie performance and just seem to forget about 2ch music |
| [12:18:45] | Puhi: | cds are player back with two channels of course, no multi channel mangling there |
| [12:18:45] | DGnome: | siXy: oh |
| [12:18:53] | justinh: | what?! |
| [12:19:17] | Puhi: | played |
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| [12:19:30] | Puhi: | stupid e90 has too small keys for my largish fingers |
| [12:19:50] | justinh: | Puhi: yeah but there are amps which take 2 channels & try to turn them into surround. it always sounds awful |
| [12:19:58] | quicksilver: | siXy: so, in your opinion, one of the onkyos will do better on the audio stuff? |
| [12:20:03] | Puhi: | yeah, i know |
| [12:20:19] | justinh: | all this stuff about 'being optimised for movies' just sounds like utter bollocks |
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| [12:20:29] | Puhi: | =) |
| [12:20:44] | justinh: | hifi journalists |
| [12:21:00] | mzb_d800: | oops, let's try again ;) |
| [12:21:02] | mzb_d800: | <mzb_d800> . |
| [12:21:04] | mzb_d800: | <mzb_d800> hmm |
| [12:21:05] | Puhi: | i wanted an amp that could do both cds and movies properly and i'm very happy with marantz |
| [12:21:06] | mzb_d800: | <mzb_d800> I've been burning recordings to DVD for weeks ... and it's only now that the boss wan't to try watching one |
| [12:21:07] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, don't you know, a better power cable makes for warmer, fuller music! |
| [12:21:09] | mzb_d800: | <mzb_d800> now I discover all sorts of problems with playing them |
| [12:21:11] | mzb_d800: | <mzb_d800> /etc/fstab defined an entry for hdd ... disabled that |
| [12:21:13] | mzb_d800: | <mzb_d800> I had "Rip DVD on insertion" set |
| [12:21:15] | mzb_d800: | <mzb_d800> ... so set it to "Do Nothing on Insertion" |
| [12:21:19] | mzb_d800: | <mzb_d800> still it borks |
| [12:21:21] | mzb_d800: | <mzb_d800> what am I missing? udev or something? |
| [12:21:23] | mzb_d800: | <mzb_d800> (I haven't restarted yet) |
| [12:21:28] | siXy: | quicksilver: mmm.. listen to it. i'm not the biggest fan of onkyo's either |
| [12:21:30] | justinh: | there's that echo again |
| [12:21:35] | siXy: | mzb_d800: less flooding please |
| [12:21:43] | mzb_d800: | sorry |
| [12:21:45] | quicksilver: | siXy: Heh. Ok. I think you probably want something out of my budget :) |
| [12:22:05] | justinh: | my entire bonus went on my yamaha amp |
| [12:22:14] | quicksilver: | siXy: let's take it as read that my ears aren't well trained and I'm not really looking at anything over 400 ukp. |
| [12:22:14] | Puhi: | i should mention that i tried harman kardon avr 247 first and it sucked |
| [12:22:15] | mzb_d800: | thought my vpn was working before ... then realised I was talking to myself |
| [12:22:15] | justinh: | back when we got a bonus |
| [12:22:31] | siXy: | quicksilver: my personal preference at the budget end is the sony STR DA 1200 ES |
| [12:22:34] | justinh: | mzb_d800: we saw all that earlier :) |
| [12:22:35] | quicksilver: | mzb_d800: it was wrking, I saw you the first time. |
| [12:22:41] | quicksilver: | mzb_d800: although I ddin't know the answer :) |
| [12:22:42] | directhex|bsp: | siXy, hdmi 1.1 though, iirc |
| [12:22:51] | quicksilver: | siXy: Ah, thanks. I'll have a look. |
| [12:22:59] | siXy: | unusually for a sony it actually performs well across the board |
| [12:23:00] | Puhi: | avr 247 was too slow to react to incoming signal resulting ~two second loss of audio when ever i hit play on the cd player |
| [12:23:05] | mzb_d800: | oh sorry ... ping time went >15s so I figured it was off |
| [12:23:25] | siXy: | directhex|bsp: probably. but as long as your tv has >1 hdmi ports thats not too big an issue |
| [12:23:57] | justinh: | siXy: where the h does all this 'music doesn't perform' BS come from? you can't design an amp to be make movies sound better than music unless you're talking about processing everything to hell. any amp worth its salt shouldn't be doing that anyway |
| [12:24:44] | Kazuhiro: | hey guys I have another issue, I know get the error "MythTV is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected...." |
| [12:24:55] | Kazuhiro: | yet I have no recordings running and this is a free install |
| [12:25:16] | siXy: | justinh: well my recocmendation would be sit down and listen to the things. i don't know the technical rasons why, but i have very definately observed all of ^ to be true, having listened to a great deal of competing products |
| [12:25:48] | siXy: | or reasons, either |
| [12:26:14] | justinh: | personally I'd be surprised but I'll agree that listening before you buy is essential if you don't want a nasty shock |
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| [12:27:21] | siXy: | every single one of the cheap denon amps i listened to was acceptable playing a 5.1+ film, although not massively exciting, but just sounded terrible when playing music. |
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| [12:27:36] | directhex|bsp: | i bought my 605 because i wanted a decent av switchbox with speaker plugs on it. my ear isn't good enough to moan about "warm tone" or other bollocks |
| [12:28:29] | siXy: | also this is completely irellevant if you don't have really pretty good speakers |
| [12:28:51] | mzb_d800: | and the ears to match ;) |
| [12:29:01] | justinh: | I had a damn good listen to what used to be a top end technics AV amp before ripping it out & putting my yamaha in. the difference was like I'd sent the audio down a mobile phone beforehand |
| [12:29:44] | siXy: | mzb_d800: yeah to be fair my wife thinks i'm crazy as she can't tell the difference |
| [12:30:03] | mzb_d800: | siXy: know what you mean ;) |
| [12:30:49] | quicksilver: | justinh: did you buy the technics? |
| [12:30:59] | justinh: | quicksilver: I did, when I was about 21 |
| [12:31:06] | mzb_d800: | when you can hear a tv out of tune that a cro can't measure, you know you've either got to have $ to support expensive requirements, or live with compromises ... I guess that applies to everything. |
| [12:31:17] | mzb_d800: | (I still insist on real black, though ;P) |
| [12:31:46] | quicksilver: | justinh: oh, I see, I think I misunderstood the direction of the difference :) |
| [12:31:51] | justinh: | mzb_d800: if you can hear the line output tx of a CRT, you don' |
| [12:31:58] | justinh: | you don't listen to music loud enough |
| [12:32:22] | mzb_d800: | no, I'm not talking about line output |
| [12:32:54] | mzb_d800: | I'm talking about a TV with no audio connected, and being able to tell if it's tuned (not to a channel) |
| [12:33:07] | justinh: | what? |
| [12:33:40] | justinh: | so basically the high pitched ramblings of its PSU |
| [12:34:01] | mzb_d800: | err ... not sure ... but, yes, high frequency |
| [12:34:03] | mzb_d800: | *very* |
| [12:34:29] | justinh: | probably the line output transformer. line freq is of the order of 15khz or so |
| [12:34:39] | directhex|bsp: | it's still noisy and annoying |
| [12:34:43] | justinh: | I can _just_ about make out 15k these days |
| [12:35:14] | justinh: | but too many nights dancing next to a Phazon sound system take their toll |
| [12:35:50] | mzb_d800: | I got used to it when Dad was building his TV in the 70's ... predicted a few blow ups ... has come in handy being sensitive to those frequencies since |
| [12:36:44] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... tinnitus tends to overpower the subtle warblings of a TV ;) |
| [12:36:54] | mzb_d800: | s/tinnitus |
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| [12:36:56] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [12:37:01] | mzb_d800: | not the right word |
| [12:37:11] | mzb_d800: | too tired |
| [12:37:50] | mzb_d800: | nope, is the right word |
| [12:37:55] | justinh: | bah think I' |
| [12:37:58] | justinh: | arghh |
| [12:38:07] | justinh: | think I'm gonna have to go for USB DVB-T tuners |
| [12:38:11] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [12:38:35] | justinh: | effing PCI ones that are known to work in linux are getting rare round here |
| [12:38:37] | mzb_d800: | I'm starting to prefer mine over the PCI tuner I just got |
| [12:38:59] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, nova-t? |
| [12:39:02] | quicksilver: | is there any reason to think a DVD player would make a poor CD player? |
| [12:39:07] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: £30? no way |
| [12:39:09] | mzb_d800: | Leadtek Winfast DTV-1000 was the cheapest I could get here |
| [12:39:09] | quicksilver: | looks like it's just as cheap to buy one as t'other. |
| [12:39:30] | directhex|bsp: | quicksilver, word is the original model playstation 1 is a highly regarded cd player amongst bargain-hunting audiophiles ;) |
| [12:40:18] | Kazuhiro: | hey guys my new setups logs is showing this " TV: Attempting to change from None to None" |
| [12:40:24] | justinh: | mzb_d800: I have 3 of them already. can only get the S version now. DVB-T but no worky in linux |
| [12:40:34] | Kazuhiro: | any idea on how to fix that? |
| [12:40:57] | quicksilver: | directhex|bsp: ;) |
| [12:41:00] | mzb_d800: | justinh: the Yuan DVB2GO I got is rubbish ... I think it might be the auto gain code|circuitry ... not sure |
| [12:41:07] | quicksilver: | directhex|bsp: well the quality is presumably down to the DAC. |
| [12:41:20] | quicksilver: | unless you do optical interconnects |
| [12:41:23] | quicksilver: | ... |
| [12:41:32] | mzb_d800: | the Kworld V-Stream USB2, however is an absolute gem ... except that it doesn't like cold boots |
| [12:41:40] | justinh: | quicksilver: make sure they're gold plated & triple screened! |
| [12:42:09] | justinh: | screw it. I won't be able to trust a stupid honking USB stick as far as I could throw it! |
| [12:42:39] | justinh: | since taking my VCR away I've kind of become accustomed to recordings being there |
| [12:42:41] | mzb_d800: | justinh: DTV-1000 not working in linux? |
| [12:42:53] | justinh: | mzb_d800: not the S version |
| [12:43:15] | mzb_d800: | justinh: neither of the USB tuners ^^ are sticks ... they both have "tin can" tuners |
| [12:43:20] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [12:43:30] | justinh: | mzb_d800: USb though. eew |
| [12:43:57] | mzb_d800: | yeah, I was sceptical ... but I can't say much wrong about the ones that work. |
| [12:44:28] | justinh: | I thik manufacturers change chipsets as often as their socks. that never helps either |
| [12:44:35] | mzb_d800: | and for au$20 on eBay (inc. post) it was a great buy |
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| [12:45:15] | mzb_d800: | can't even get close to that price for PCI tuners |
| [12:45:49] | mzb_d800: | and tbh, I've found the (my) PCI tuner to be fussier with signal (on the same line, no less!) |
| [12:47:18] | mzb_d800: | so from that point of view, the only real advantage (to date) for me with the PCI tuner was a nice remote (compared to the crappy type you're likely to get with a USB tuner) and antenna passthrough |
| [12:52:52] | Kazuhiro: | ffs myth keeps on reporting it is using all my inputs, and says check my recordings, but alas I have no recordings setup, this is a fresh install. |
| [12:54:23] | justinh: | I don't need (nor do I want) a remote |
| [12:54:27] | Kazuhiro: | is there something I am missing herE? |
| [12:56:26] | justinh: | got homebrew serial port lirc receivers coming out of my ears :) |
| [12:57:12] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [12:57:16] | quicksilver: | Kazuhiro: it probably doesn't think you have a tuner set up for the channel it wants to use |
| [12:57:44] | mzb_d800: | justinh: D-shell covers? or you've got better solution(s)? |
| [12:57:55] | Kazuhiro: | hmm the tuner setup appears to be all ok, I can scan channels. |
| [12:58:06] | Kazuhiro: | and the the card is configured |
| [12:58:25] | justinh: | old mouse housings :) |
| [12:58:35] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [12:58:47] | mzb_d800: | bulky? |
| [12:58:58] | justinh: | ever seen a bulky mouse? |
| [12:59:35] | mzb_d800: | bulky compared to a D9 | D25 backshell |
| [12:59:44] | justinh: | less ugly though |
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| [13:00:34] | quicksilver: | Kazuhiro: it's the channel number |
| [13:00:38] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... possibly ... although a D-shell is easier to hide imo |
| [13:00:40] | quicksilver: | Kazuhiro: it's trying to tune to channel 478 |
| [13:00:45] | justinh: | easier to make it stay put without sticking it down too |
| [13:00:46] | quicksilver: | Kazuhiro: when you don't have a channel 478 |
| [13:00:48] | quicksilver: | Kazuhiro: e.g. |
| [13:00:59] | quicksilver: | you can change 'first channel number' in one of the setup pages |
| [13:01:18] | justinh: | the receiver in the livingroom is just a circuit and almost invisible |
| [13:01:28] | mzb_d800: | ic |
| [13:01:45] | justinh: | it's not much bigger than the receiver chip itself. SMD ftw |
| [13:01:48] | Kazuhiro: | quicksilver, hmm thats what I have been looking for, but for the life of me cant find the default channel setting again.. |
| [13:01:56] | mzb_d800: | ok |
| [13:04:00] | mzb_d800: | justinh: forget the "blog" part of the URL, it's a gallery2 link embedded within wordpress: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . d=20314& |
| [13:04:08] | mzb_d800: | ie: a picture ;) |
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| [13:05:08] | mzb_d800: | that's the BIG version (suits addition of transceiver) |
| [13:05:33] | mzb_d800: | I'm sure it could be a lot smaller, I've done D9 versions in the past |
| [13:05:41] | mzb_d800: | (without SMD) |
| [13:06:17] | mzb_d800: | but D25 gives enough room for play |
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| [13:07:35] | justinh: | bah you could fit a whole micro in there |
| [13:08:08] | justinh: | actually I used to have an IR translator for my Pace STB. it was smaller than a postage stamp footprint & about 4mm high |
| [13:08:34] | justinh: | must starting messing around with PICs if I ever give up theming |
| [13:08:45] | justinh: | or working. either or |
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| [13:10:09] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [13:10:17] | mzb_d800: | sounds like fun |
| [13:11:18] | Kazuhiro: | quicksilver, turns out my default channel is set to a channel that is in my channel list |
| [13:11:32] | Kazuhiro: | just changed it to another channel still the same probelm |
| [13:11:40] | justinh: | ahh I think I see now where your reception problem is coming from |
| [13:11:44] | mzb_d800: | yeah, heaps of room in D25 ... and I've not been bothered etching (I usually use tar + ox-hair brush) .. just using veroboard |
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| [13:12:06] | quicksilver: | Kazuhiro: hmm. sounds like a simple config issue. Is each card connected to a video source? |
| [13:12:12] | mzb_d800: | summoned ... later |
| [13:12:27] | Kazuhiro: | there is only a single card |
| [13:12:36] | Kazuhiro: | double checking cards inputs now |
| [13:13:27] | Kazuhiro: | the antena is connected to the input |
| [13:15:52] | quicksilver: | I didn't mean physically |
| [13:15:56] | quicksilver: | I meant, in the config |
| [13:18:34] | Kazuhiro: | as far as I can tell yes it is. |
| [13:18:47] | Kazuhiro: | the device id is - |
| [13:18:48] | Kazuhiro: | is 0 |
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| [13:24:25] | justinh: | wowser. LTNS, Dagmar ! |
| [13:24:54] | Dagmar: | I been busy lots |
| [13:25:10] | Dagmar: | Blowing up my db reminded me to put the client back in here |
| [13:25:31] | Dagmar: | I did a stupid thing with the breaker box and found out (surprise!) the UPS in the den is dead now. |
| [13:25:46] | Dagmar: | Soooo.... I'm kinda prodding my whole everything back into working agaih. |
| [13:25:55] | Dagmar: | I *think* it blew out the SATA2 controller, which is fun |
| [13:26:30] | Dagmar: | There's a SATA 1.5 controller on the board i"m using now, which doesn't exhibit the problem of "SATA bus dies when jfs_fsck runs". SO, joy. |
| [13:33:34] | hashbang: | justinh: sorry; I missed your point a bit about PCI DVB-T tuners getting rare – in general, geographically locally to you, or under £30? |
| [13:33:56] | justinh: | under £30 and rare |
| [13:34:03] | justinh: | and PCI |
| [13:34:46] | justinh: | never spent more than £15 on a PCI DVB-T tuner card yet |
| [13:36:01] | hashbang: | justinh: pricerunner has Nova-Ts starting at 24 quid, and -500s from 49 |
| [13:36:25] | hashbang: | justinh: wow, well done! That's some impressive bargain hunting |
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| [13:37:39] | Kazuhiro: | night all, thanks to those who have helped me out. |
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| [13:46:20] | justinh: | some people here need a damn good smack |
| [13:48:04] | justinh: | configured a few machines before lunch. all working, front panel LEDs flashy flashy, the lot. then some twazzock decides he doesn't think the cabling looks right & rearranges its insides. just aswell I powered em up one last time before letting them go. idiot had only moved the front panel LED cable & made them not work. LED != LCD. Pillock |
| [13:49:00] | justinh: | will the forces of knowledge & common sense ever prevail? |
| [13:49:23] | justinh: | fecking cable-shui |
| [13:52:19] | ** xand is displeased with his nova-t-500 ** | |
| [13:52:28] | xand: | one of the tuners gets crappy reception, the other is fine :| |
| [13:52:44] | sid3windr: | have you tried turning it off and on again |
| [13:52:45] | justinh: | xand: LNA modprobe option :) |
| [13:52:50] | xand: | not that |
| [13:52:53] | xand: | I have it enabled |
| [13:53:06] | xand: | it was working fine... it only affects one MUX I think |
| [13:53:09] | hashbang: | xand: external aerial amplifier/splitter? home-made cables? |
| [13:53:11] | justinh: | FWIW I wouldn't have one either |
| [13:53:19] | xand: | hashbang: they're both on the same cable |
| [13:53:22] | hashbang: | xand: Bet you it's the Film4 MUX |
| [13:53:29] | xand: | it's the one that virgin1 is one |
| [13:53:30] | xand: | *on |
| [13:53:42] | xand: | because my DS9 recordings were all rubbish |
| [13:53:43] | hashbang: | I think that's the same one, off the top of my head |
| [13:53:49] | justinh: | it was you who posted about not being able to watch QVC on -users ML yesterday! |
| [13:53:56] | hashbang: | one of them is generally broadcast at lower power, anyway |
| [13:54:10] | xand: | odd that it's fine on the other tuner and on my non-500 card |
| [13:54:18] | xand: | and it used to be fine... |
| [13:54:28] | hashbang: | xand: weather. :-) |
| [13:54:29] | justinh: | xand: how many tuners are you feeding with one cable from the aerial? |
| [13:54:53] | hashbang: | xand: and, do you daisy chain from your non-500 to your 500? |
| [13:55:11] | justinh: | don't daisy chain tuners |
| [13:55:34] | xand: | the aerial is shared between 26 flats via a booster box on the roof... I have a booster with two outputs, one to each card |
| [13:55:44] | justinh: | sounds sensible then |
| [13:55:45] | hashbang: | justinh: I concur; tried it when I had two plain Nova-Ts and quickly moved to seperate cables from my amp/splitter |
| [13:55:46] | xand: | if I don't use the booster the signal level is too low to get anything |
| [13:56:01] | xand: | TV reception in this area is rubbish |
| [13:56:18] | hashbang: | xand: yup, I feel your pain. one aerial fed to 12 sockets, 2 in each flat |
| [13:56:19] | justinh: | xand: chances are the rooftop aerial is the wrong group for digital reception |
| [13:56:39] | hashbang: | xand: so two layers of amplification, too – mine, and one communal amp |
| [13:56:54] | xand: | justinh: the nearest transmitter is for both analog and digital transmissions (dover) |
| [13:57:09] | xand: | oh, group |
| [13:57:15] | xand: | not sure what that is :) |
| [13:57:19] | justinh: | you have 2 things working against you then. 1. low signal strength anyway cos it's lower power than analogue & 2. even lower signal because the digital muxes are out of the aerial's freq. range a bit |
| [13:58:05] | xand: | we're the last TV region to have analog switched off which is a PITA |
| [13:58:07] | xand: | oh well. |
| [13:58:19] | xand: | two tuners are working fine so it's not so bad |
| [13:58:38] | hashbang: | xand: it is annoying when something's not repeated quickly, though |
| [13:58:47] | hashbang: | xand: though, that happens less often these days. :-/ |
| [13:59:08] | xand: | it confuses me that they are repeated so much ;) |
| [13:59:11] | xand: | can't work out which to record |
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| [14:07:08] | DGnome: | nova-t 500 seems to be a poor investment, i thought my problems would be solved with them :/ |
| [14:07:58] | justinh: | mmmm newsflash. another vendor of ready-made mythtv boxes stops supporting em |
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| [14:11:00] | philip_: | hi |
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| [14:11:20] | philip_: | i have a channels.conf from w_scan but mythtv doesnt let me import it |
| [14:11:37] | philip_: | im on gutsy, with a terratec cinergy 1200 dvb-c card |
| [14:11:45] | justinh: | philip_: you should use mythtv's built in scanner where possible |
| [14:12:04] | philip_: | doesnt work |
| [14:12:18] | philip_: | w_scan was the first and only scanner i managed to squeeze out channels from the card |
| [14:12:49] | philip_: | 0.20.2–0ubuntu10 is the mythttv version |
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| [14:15:00] | philip_: | the problem is, i dont really know what to enter at frequency and symbol rate |
| [14:15:38] | philip_: | ORF 1>ORF1:338000:M256:C:6900:2112:2113=ger,2114=ang;2117:2115:0:5007:1:5:0 |
| [14:15:44] | philip_: | thats a line from my channels.conf |
| [14:15:55] | philip_: | how can i make it importable to mythtv? |
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| [14:20:41] | otwin: | philip_: hmm, my w_scan generated channels.conf seems to have another format: |
| [14:20:46] | otwin: | arte:570000000:INVERSION_AUTO:6875000:FEC_NONE:QAM_64:6072:6073:607 |
| [14:21:09] | justinh: | mythtv-setup will only import channels.conf files in dvbscan format |
| [14:21:17] | justinh: | not VDR or anything else |
| [14:21:24] | philip_: | ic |
| [14:21:24] | otwin: | and i *think* i imported it to 0.20-fixes |
| [14:21:41] | philip_: | otwin: mine is for dvb-c, perhaps thats the difference |
| [14:22:17] | otwin: | dvb-c here – try w_scan -X |
| [14:22:43] | otwin: | hmm, no, just can't remember |
| [14:23:16] | philip_: | justinh: czap? |
| [14:24:57] | philip_: | it will be a happy day when my mythtv runs with my cable tv |
| [14:25:26] | otwin: | philip_: my bash history says I did this: w_scan -f c -x – could be wrong though |
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| [14:30:44] | clever: | 2008-01–22 10:30:27.801 mythbackend: Last message repeated 305 times: Running housekeeping thread |
| [14:30:49] | clever: | that would have been spamy:P |
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| [14:39:09] | philip_: | otwin: -X worked |
| [14:40:56] | Dagmar: | So... looks like I'll be making Slackware 12 binaries for this now |
| [14:42:13] | otwin: | philip_: what I did is take the output of 'w_scan -f c -x' to get an initial-tuning-data-file |
| [14:43:11] | otwin: | philip_: then used 'scan -a 0 initial-tuning-data-file > channels.conf' to create my channels.conf |
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| [14:48:47] | GreyFoxx: | Dagmar: For myth ? |
| [14:51:41] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [14:51:55] | Dagmar: | No database means I got no reason not to go ahead and upgrade things to Slack 12 |
| [14:52:25] | Dagmar: | I just popped the spare 500Gb drive in it so I don't have to risk something getting rid of "stale" recordings it knows nothing about |
| [14:52:46] | Dagmar: | ...but I ain't lookin forward to trying to re-insert all those recordings back into my db, that's for damn sure |
| [14:53:02] | Dagmar: | Only about 300 recordings with no metadata now |
| [14:53:17] | Dagmar: | joy. |
| [14:53:38] | Dagmar: | Good damn thing I keep my build scripts nice and tidy |
| [14:53:50] | Dagmar: | I might be able to get it all back running before the morning is out |
| [14:55:16] | Dagmar: | At the moment I've copied the DVD into it, and I'm running an rsync so I can upgradepkg the patches in on the first go |
| [14:55:35] | Dagmar: | Yes, it will involved an "intrusiv" Qt replacement, for somewhat obvious reasons. |
| [14:55:41] | philip_: | interesting |
| [14:55:56] | philip_: | should 83% be enough to see anything? |
| [14:56:04] | philip_: | s/n of 4.8db |
| [14:56:08] | GreyFoxx: | Dagmar: fun :) |
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| [15:07:56] | philip_: | ok, appaerently i have enough quality to watch with mplayer, but myth doesnt tune to the channel |
| [15:07:59] | philip_: | any hints<? |
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| [15:22:55] | philip_: | i get "you should have gotten a channel lock by now" |
| [15:23:03] | philip_: | is this a message of the frontend or the backend? |
| [15:23:49] | philip_: | i also get a lot of 2008-01–22 16:23:39.606 Program #1203 not found in PAT! |
| [15:23:53] | philip_: | in the backend logs |
| [15:24:43] | anykey_: | philip_: are you using dvb-c? |
| [15:25:16] | philip_: | yeßp |
| [15:25:19] | philip_: | yep |
| [15:25:46] | directhex|bsp: | invalid nit? |
| [15:25:59] | blkorpheus: | if my frontend need reset how would I do that?. Its crashing upon start, may be theme related |
| [15:26:58] | justinh: | mythfrontend --reset |
| [15:26:58] | philip_: | blkorpheus: try moving .mythtv away |
| [15:27:07] | philip_: | ah ;) |
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| [15:29:16] | blkorpheus: | did not work |
| [15:30:42] | justinh: | only possible reason I can think of it being theme related is if you're running out of memory |
| [15:31:11] | justinh: | easy to do that if you run mythfrontend at high resolutions on systems with not much ram |
| [15:31:37] | blkorpheus: | plenty memory |
| [15:31:50] | justinh: | how much is plenty? |
| [15:32:17] | blkorpheus: | is there a way to change the theme without starting the frontend? |
| [15:32:28] | anykey_: | blkorpheus: no |
| [15:32:30] | justinh: | no |
| [15:33:31] | justinh: | you can force the frontend to load with a given theme though |
| [15:33:44] | blkorpheus: | how? |
| [15:33:47] | justinh: | mythfrontend -O Theme=name.of.theme.here |
| [15:34:33] | justinh: | you didn't answer my question anyway |
| [15:36:09] | iamlindoro: | People no read good. |
| [15:36:21] | blkorpheus: | I read google |
| [15:36:45] | blkorpheus: | have plenty of ram free or otherwise |
| [15:36:59] | iamlindoro: | and, again, plenty of RAM is...? |
| [15:38:08] | iamlindoro: | ... |
| [15:38:30] | blkorpheus: | os[Linux 2.6.24-3-server x86_64] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ @ 1000MHz] mem[Physical : 2013MB, 71.1% free] disk[Total : 299.67GB, 22.50% Free] video[nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200]] sound[] |
| [15:38:46] | blkorpheus: | plenty speaks for itself |
| [15:39:18] | blkorpheus: | all of my fonts are not appearing in xchat....wtf? |
| [15:39:21] | iamlindoro: | So, I think, does "not courteous enough to deserve help." |
| [15:39:39] | iamlindoro: | Google it is, methinks. |
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| [15:40:00] | blkorpheus: | excuse me? |
| [15:40:09] | iamlindoro: | Unlikely. |
| [15:40:25] | blkorpheus: | me? |
| [15:40:37] | justinh: | thinking you know better than the people you ask for help is never a good way to be courteous IMHO |
| [15:41:11] | blkorpheus: | thinking you know better, that is a mispercieved notion |
| [15:41:15] | Dagmar: | It's never a good way to get anything done |
| [15:41:29] | blkorpheus: | I know how much memory I need that all |
| [15:41:49] | Dagmar: | blkorpheus: It is somewhat certain that if you're asking people who know *less* than you, you're screwed |
| [15:41:55] | blkorpheus: | if I thought I was superior i WOULD NOT HAVE ASKED TO BEGIN with |
| [15:42:02] | blkorpheus: | sorry for the caps |
| [15:42:12] | blkorpheus: | typing with one hand |
| [15:42:54] | blkorpheus: | ppl should not take everything personal |
| [15:43:08] | siXy: | blkorpheus: http://wooledge.org:8000/NetEtiquette |
| [15:43:10] | blkorpheus: | I help as well as ask for help |
| [15:43:15] | siXy: | read that |
| [15:43:18] | blkorpheus: | I know the sentiment |
| [15:43:21] | Dagmar: | Typing with one hand is not an acceptable way to use IRC you pervert. |
| [15:43:29] | blkorpheus: | siXy, please |
| [15:43:33] | siXy: | Dagmar: heh :D |
| [15:43:54] | blkorpheus: | Dagmar, finally , humor |
| [15:44:27] | iamlindoro: | I was funny. Just at your expense. |
| [15:44:55] | directhex|bsp: | siXy, i'll tell greg he's being quoted far and wide as in here |
| [15:45:08] | siXy: | directhex|bsp: sure :) |
| [15:45:25] | anykey_: | philip_: maybe your provider network is buggy, are the frequencies stored correctly? |
| [15:45:58] | siXy: | directhex|bsp: if he objects I will stop, but i doubt he minds |
| [15:46:11] | directhex|bsp: | siXy, i sincerely doubt he minds |
| [15:46:52] | GreyFoxx: | Well, time to brush up the old resume |
| [15:47:07] | directhex|bsp: | <greycat> directhex|bsp: that page is already "famous"? I just finished writing it yesterday! |
| [15:47:22] | GreyFoxx: | looks like work is talking about moving us to to the minute timesheetsso that all departments get billed for every minute of our days |
| [15:47:22] | directhex|bsp: | GreyFoxx, bored with job? |
| [15:47:22] | iamlindoro: | anykey_, philip_: My understanding is that that message is pretty normal. Should be nothing to worry about. If it's affecting channel tuning, you can try a re-scan, but shouldn't be. |
| [15:47:26] | blkorpheus: | iamlindoro, thx for the cmd it did not help, and work on your "humor", and don't be so impatieent, or accusatory in the future. |
| [15:47:27] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: That too |
| [15:47:37] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: really bored |
| [15:47:39] | siXy: | heh :) |
| [15:47:51] | GreyFoxx: | Don't really learn or do much new and interesting these days |
| [15:47:55] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: it is not normal. I have that too, because the frequencies are stored incorrectly for the channels. There's a bug about that in trac |
| [15:47:57] | directhex|bsp: | GreyFoxx, you could teach sharks to yodel? that would be exciting |
| [15:47:58] | blkorpheus: | If I don't reply with my stats asap, it should be fine.. |
| [15:48:16] | directhex|bsp: | blkorpheus, who defines fine? |
| [15:48:22] | blkorpheus: | no need for a flamewar before nonn |
| [15:48:29] | ** blkorpheus sheesh ** | |
| [15:48:35] | opentrinity: | bye * |
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| [15:49:08] | iamlindoro: | blkorpheus: Didn't give you a command, but way to point out your illiteracy/lack of attention to detail. |
| [15:49:31] | blkorpheus: | iteracy/lack of attention to detail. lol |
| [15:49:34] | siXy: | iamlindoro: just /ignore him :) |
| [15:49:35] | philip_: | interesting |
| [15:49:37] | blkorpheus: | wow |
| [15:49:41] | iamlindoro: | siXy: done and done! |
| [15:49:48] | philip_: | now i have video (yay hooray!) but i cant chose a channel anymore |
| [15:49:52] | philip_: | osd is gone for good |
| [15:49:57] | blkorpheus: | ignored over what? |
| [15:50:03] | blkorpheus: | moving on |
| [15:50:05] | iamlindoro: | philip_: Well maybe not *for good* |
| [15:50:12] | directhex|bsp: | blkorpheus, imagine how many people join per day, and ask "help me with this! btw, all the details are super secret and i know in full detail exactly what's happening, except for this problem, which i know for 100% certitude is unrelated to other people exhibiting the same symptoms whose problems were related to my super secret details" |
| [15:50:31] | philip_: | iamlindoro: any hint how i can get it back? |
| [15:50:38] | directhex|bsp: | blkorpheus, also look at the X-Y problem on the above wiki |
| [15:51:47] | iamlindoro: | philip_: Tough to tell... I would suspect it is related to your tuning woes, anykey_ mentioned the bug on TRAC, it may be worth looking into that. |
| [15:52:10] | blkorpheus: | directhex|bsp, my only crime, is having an issue I can't fix as of yet, and then asking the wrong ppl here, or having the wrong ppl respond. |
| [15:52:45] | blkorpheus: | everything about me has been assumed in the most negative light |
| [15:52:48] | blkorpheus: | thats fine |
| [15:52:52] | philip_: | well, the tuning problem seemed to be related to the imported channels.conf |
| [15:52:56] | blkorpheus: | I expect this from IRC in general |
| [15:53:01] | philip_: | with manual scan it works |
| [15:53:06] | blkorpheus: | but I do try my best to help |
| [15:53:09] | justinh: | /ignore list is getting long since I purged it at new year |
| [15:53:11] | directhex|bsp: | blkorpheus, things are only assumed where detail has been kept secret |
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| [15:53:23] | blkorpheus: | and sometimes I feel ppl have not done the proper research first |
| [15:53:34] | iamlindoro: | philip_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/309702 |
| [15:53:34] | blkorpheus: | I know about netettiquete (sp) etc |
| [15:53:45] | justinh: | feel outbursty, just add /ignore -replies %nick |
| [15:53:59] | iamlindoro: | philip_: That thread indicates that a channel-rescan may help you |
| [15:54:22] | blkorpheus: | directhex|bsp, they guy was just insulted that I would not reveal my memory ASAP. He could not let it go. Then I'm inored, funny. |
| [15:54:23] | justinh: | if they get angsty when their pings don't come back & kick off in channel I don't get to see that |
| [15:54:43] | siXy: | heh :) *you* are telling those who are *trying to help you* that they haven't done their research? ##sorry i was ignoring him but that is just funny |
| [15:55:04] | blkorpheus: | also, some can't read |
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| [15:56:00] | blkorpheus: | but I'm not here to "flood" you guys room with illiteracy, just needed some help from fellow users. |
| [15:56:09] | justinh: | blkorpheus: who said I was ignoring you? |
| [15:56:27] | blkorpheus: | I was not addressing anyone in particular |
| [15:56:40] | justinh: | I just thought it's common courtesy to answer questions people who are trying to help ask of you |
| [15:56:54] | blkorpheus: | if anyone cares, I'm trying my best to peacefully move on |
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| [15:57:02] | ** iamlindoro almost wishes he was hearing both sides of this. Almost. ** | |
| [15:57:15] | directhex|bsp: | blkorpheus, people attempted to help you, until it became apparent that it would be impossible to help you without fighting you. people in this channel offer their time and energy for support for free. refusing to have to fight the very person asking to help in order to help them is perfectly reasonable |
| [15:57:28] | blkorpheus: | justinh, its also common courtesy to wait for a reply |
| [15:58:04] | blkorpheus: | "became apparent that it would be impossible to help you without fighting you." |
| [15:58:12] | blkorpheus: | respectfully, BS |
| [15:58:35] | blkorpheus: | I'm dropping it... |
| [15:59:04] | blkorpheus: | thx for the dialog to help me see their perspective/bias/whatever |
| [15:59:12] | justinh: | anyway, had a much nicer day at work these last few days without any fecking radio on. doesn't help that the only station we can get in here is bloody Radio2 with Jeremy Whine & Steve (groucho fucking marks but without the funny part) Wrighty |
| [15:59:21] | blkorpheus: | "impossible to help" thats a hoot |
| [15:59:34] | Pryon: | funny way of dropping it |
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| [16:00:36] | blkorpheus: | not really |
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| [16:01:47] | justinh: | hmm I think this keyboard has the wrong blimmin firmware in it |
| [16:01:56] | philip_: | help me, what is a transport? |
| [16:02:01] | philip_: | the same as a transponder? |
| [16:02:20] | iamlindoro: | It's the stream that carries the multiplexes |
| [16:02:43] | philip_: | ok |
| [16:03:06] | iamlindoro: | Well, generally speaking, anyway... I dunno what you're looking at :) |
| [16:03:09] | philip_: | so i could theoretically create the transports with the channels.conf, delete all channels and rescan all transports to regain them? |
| [16:04:14] | blkorpheus: | symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libmyth-0.20.2.so.0: undefined symbol: stat64 |
| [16:04:21] | iamlindoro: | philip_: For best results, avoid using a channels.conf at all |
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| [16:04:45] | philip_: | well, then i'd have to hack in each and every transport, right? |
| [16:04:51] | philip_: | i mean, there are like 30 of them :/ |
| [16:04:57] | iamlindoro: | philip_: Myth's channel scan doesn't work for you? |
| [16:05:24] | philip_: | nope, only if i give it a frequency |
| [16:05:30] | philip_: | and then it finds like 4–5 channels |
| [16:05:40] | philip_: | then i have to enter the next frequency + symbol rate |
| [16:05:43] | philip_: | and redo that |
| [16:05:56] | iamlindoro: | philip_: Yup, that's the best way to be sure you get your channels working properly |
| [16:05:58] | jheizer: | I am having a some what off topic issue, my slave bacckend's clock is all over the place. It was ok until recently. I think it started when I reinstalled a few weeks ago |
| [16:06:00] | philip_: | and w_scan offers me ~30–40 frequencies i could use for the procedure |
| [16:06:02] | iamlindoro: | the tuned scan |
| [16:06:17] | jheizer: | knoppmyth for the base install and I have ntp running |
| [16:06:30] | jheizer: | in the last 12 hours it got 10 minutes fast |
| [16:06:41] | iamlindoro: | When myth is finicky about the channel scan, the tuned scan seems to work pretty well, in spite of being a bit of a PITA |
| [16:07:06] | iamlindoro: | jheizer: Under or overclocked? |
| [16:07:46] | iamlindoro: | jheizer: Or have power that is slightly below or above standard voltage? Or running ram that would reduce the bus speed? |
| [16:08:54] | iamlindoro: | anyway, into the shower with me |
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| [16:10:39] | directhex|bsp: | disrespectfully, blkorpheus your libmyth appears not to match your frontend |
| [16:11:15] | blkorpheus: | why disrespectfully? |
| [16:11:32] | blkorpheus: | or is that more "humor"? |
| [16:11:43] | directhex|bsp: | yep, comedy gold |
| [16:11:57] | blkorpheus: | thx for pointing me in a direction anyhow |
| [16:12:38] | blkorpheus: | I'm sure my humor will get me banned, so I'll refrain |
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| [16:20:54] | philip_: | omg so much hate |
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| [16:22:29] | blkorpheus: | philip_, indeed |
| [16:24:02] | justinh: | that's IRC. twas ever thus |
| [16:24:42] | siXy: | philip_: actually this channel is reletively kind to idiots. there are much less friendly channels |
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| [16:24:55] | blkorpheus: | starting to think my nick is drawing haters, my change it back to some nerd shit, so its not assumed Im illiterate, and beyond help.:-P |
| [16:24:56] | directhex|bsp: | like #bash! |
| [16:25:09] | blkorpheus: | justinh, true |
| [16:25:11] | siXy: | yeah thats one i had in mind :) |
| [16:25:23] | directhex|bsp: | siXy, well, duh, it's got greg in it! |
| [16:25:42] | philip_: | siXy, justinh im not complaining about the channel |
| [16:25:55] | philip_: | but i dont get a picture anymore from a channel which worked before |
| [16:25:57] | siXy: | philip_: i don't think anyone thought you were |
| [16:26:05] | philip_: | so theres a lot of hate in me now |
| [16:26:43] | siXy: | directhex|bsp: wouldn't be the same without him :) |
| [16:26:58] | directhex|bsp: | siXy, #debian certainly isn't |
| [16:27:35] | siXy: | directhex|bsp: ah thats one channel i never join – largely because i avoid debian where possible |
| [16:27:52] | justinh: | philip_: wait til you've been around a while. it either consumes you or you live with it |
| [16:28:29] | philip_: | i just want to watch tv ... |
| [16:29:22] | justinh: | fwiw I'd rather a channel be a little frosty where people try to kindly nudge users in the right direction than say.. others where nappies are changed, people get wrapped in nice fluffy towels & told to relax while somebody else puts things right for them. |
| [16:30:19] | justinh: | granted 90% of the time when I try to kindly nudge it's seen as arrogant & hostile. call me back when I care |
| [16:30:53] | quicksilver: | justinh? hostile? Never. |
| [16:31:09] | clever: | lol |
| [16:31:26] | clever: | i still have that keyboard input bug here |
| [16:32:40] | justinh: | quicksilver: thing is, folks always get pissed when you suggest that it could be a good idea for them to read some documents. like it's, I dunno.. holy water to a vampire or something.. |
| [16:33:25] | clever: | lol |
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| [16:34:13] | blkorpheus: | the only issue I may have is the guys who know, if one is offended, they all stick together, and you may stay in the channel, but you'll get no help from the help clan |
| [16:34:50] | justinh: | I wouldn't expect anybody to back me up if I'm in the wrong. sometimes we all deserve a smack |
| [16:35:01] | blkorpheus: | true |
| [16:35:02] | quicksilver: | I don't think this channel sticks together |
| [16:35:05] | quicksilver: | far from it :) |
| [16:35:32] | quicksilver: | I do think ti's actually quite hard to help people with myth problems |
| [16:35:38] | quicksilver: | because there are so many variables |
| [16:35:41] | blkorpheus: | well I would not know, I solve most my issues myself, because I'm hardly replied to |
| [16:35:53] | quicksilver: | I very rarely see questions here with quick answers which I know |
| [16:35:57] | justinh: | quicksilver: it's sometimes hard to get the right information out of them. uh-oh moot point alert |
| [16:35:58] | quicksilver: | when I do, I answer them. |
| [16:36:18] | blkorpheus: | when I'm bored, I try to help others so I'm not seen as a leech or whatnot |
| [16:36:20] | quicksilver: | but most of the time I don't have much of a clue :) |
| [16:36:32] | quicksilver: | so I'm not not helping people cos I'm an arse |
| [16:36:36] | philip_: | http://rafb.net/p/ecur8Y92.html |
| [16:36:41] | quicksilver: | but rather just because I don't have anything helpful to suggest. |
| [16:36:44] | philip_: | whats that supposed to mean? |
| [16:36:54] | blkorpheus: | well gotta fix my myth |
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| [16:36:58] | justinh: | not saying it's always the case but when a user thinks they've given what the relevant information is – when they might not necessarily be the best people to filter it.. etc |
| [16:37:26] | blkorpheus: | justinh, agreed |
| [16:37:57] | justinh: | philip_: filename not valid probably means the file doesn't exist – meaning it didn't actually get recorded. meaning that the channel setup is still foobar |
| [16:38:48] | justinh: | philip_: run mythbackend with -v all & grab the log output into a pastebin |
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| [16:40:58] | justinh: | hahah Amy Wine Warehouse filmed smoking crack. be more surprising if she was filmed having a milkshake IMHO |
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| [16:41:09] | Daviey: | heh |
| [16:48:39] | directhex|bsp: | damn you justinh, now i'm in the mood for a milkshake |
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| [16:52:46] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, That girl is on a collision course with death, no joke. She'll be dead in a year. |
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| [16:54:10] | directhex|bsp: | good. it'll clear up the airwaves |
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| [16:55:39] | justinh: | she'll sell more reccuds when she's dead. oh yay hear ye hear ye |
| [16:56:22] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: so she does a few drugs? ffs the stones used to cane it I bet & they're still around (and how) |
| [16:56:58] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, Yeah, but she makes Keith Richards look like a vegan health nut... Just *lookit* her! |
| [16:57:12] | at0m|c: | just a shame for the public interest in her case nowadays ;) |
| [16:57:28] | justinh: | wishful thinking, but if any female singer is to be killed off _please_ let it be the ones like Leona Lewis etc first |
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| [16:58:22] | justinh: | and Rhianna |
| [16:59:05] | i3ooi3oo: | fryfrog: you around ? |
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| [17:01:45] | philip_: | well im seriously pissed now |
| [17:01:55] | philip_: | i search on one frequency, get some channels, add them, can watch them |
| [17:02:03] | philip_: | then i do that with the remaining frequencies |
| [17:02:17] | philip_: | and *bazonk* no channels can be tuned into anymore |
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| [17:11:40] | Aval0n: | guys, using mythweb can I control the music that plas on my physical frontend? |
| [17:11:50] | Aval0n: | or does it just stream to the machine the page is loaded on? |
| [17:12:14] | iamlindoro__: | It' |
| [17:12:20] | iamlindoro__: | er, it's streaming via mythweb |
| [17:12:37] | iamlindoro__: | if you want to control on the actual backend, you need to install some sort of mpd server |
| [17:12:38] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [17:12:42] | Aval0n: | yeah |
| [17:12:48] | Aval0n: | I use ampache with mpd atm |
| [17:13:02] | Aval0n: | was just hoping to eliminate additional software running |
| [17:13:21] | Aval0n: | mpd/localplay |
| [17:13:41] | Aval0n: | I hate these logitech harmony remotes |
| [17:13:50] | Aval0n: | they are so flippin' delayed |
| [17:14:05] | Aval0n: | I turned repeat=0 and interkeydelay=0 |
| [17:14:16] | Aval0n: | but it's still a delay monster |
| [17:14:30] | Aval0n: | I use my real rc6 MS remote and it's so snappy it's disgusting |
| [17:15:36] | justinh: | wow. people have started working on ati theater 200 card support in 'nux |
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| [17:18:48] | dverzolla: | How many hauppauges the mythtv suppots? |
| [17:18:59] | sphery: | justinh: If someone does write a MythSudoku, poor skamithi will have to finish up PiP and PbP so he can work on PbS (Picture by Sudoku) |
| [17:20:12] | dverzolla: | Or the question is: How many hauppagues pvr 150 Linux supports? |
| [17:20:35] | clever: | sphery: why not just mod the pip so you can have any myth window on either pic |
| [17:20:47] | clever: | sphery: so i could have livetv in a small window over the main menu |
| [17:20:49] | justinh: | just?! |
| [17:20:55] | sphery: | At one point there was a limit of 9. I think for ease of development it was changed to 8. I don't know if it's still 8 (or if it's changed again). |
| [17:20:56] | iamlindoro__: | dverzolla, Do you mean how many can you have in one system? As many as you have PCI slots. |
| [17:21:02] | clever: | then i can mix any 2 parts of myth together:P |
| [17:21:24] | iamlindoro__: | dverzolla, Any PVR-150 will work fine in myth, and you can use as many as you can fit in a box. |
| [17:21:44] | iamlindoro__: | Or even as many as you can fit in several boxes, if you run multiple backends. |
| [17:21:55] | justinh: | sphery: that could be for a 'hard' level so the user is more distracted :P |
| [17:22:22] | sphery: | Several boxes is generally what you'd need before hitting the limit of 9/8 (that used to exist, at least). |
| [17:22:46] | sphery: | justinh: Yeah. I couldn't do logic while watching TV. |
| [17:23:00] | justinh: | and btw 'thanks' for mentioning it in here. mythtvnews.com will get hold of it, publish a made up release date & pile on the pressure |
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| [17:23:17] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: I'm in a project where I need to 'build' a mythtv box with at least 4 pvt150. |
| [17:23:23] | sphery: | Oops. Cat, back in the bag. |
| [17:23:25] | iamlindoro__: | dverzolla, Not a problem. |
| [17:23:36] | justinh: | dverzolla: good luck finding a motherboard with that many PCI slots :) |
| [17:23:38] | sphery: | defintely not a problem |
| [17:23:47] | justinh: | thankfully pvr500 cards exist :) |
| [17:23:47] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro: :D |
| [17:23:51] | clever: | most of my systems have atleast 4 slots |
| [17:23:59] | clever: | but i may not fit the vid card if i use that many:P |
| [17:24:00] | justinh: | clever: most of your systems are pre 1993 |
| [17:24:04] | clever: | lol |
| [17:24:05] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: I have two box with two pvr150. |
| [17:24:16] | clever: | i have 3 systems without any pci bus! |
| [17:24:37] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: Now I need will build a box with 4 – or if I find – 5 boards |
| [17:24:42] | sphery: | dverzolla: I maintain a system with 4 PVR-250's. It's just an Athlon XP 2000+ and has no problems recording 4 shows while playing back a 5th. It doesn't use RAID or anything and I/O hasn't been a problem. |
| [17:24:48] | justinh: | dverzolla: pvr500 :) |
| [17:24:58] | iamlindoro__: | dverzolla, yup, listen to Justingh, get pvr-500s |
| [17:25:01] | iamlindoro__: | er justinh |
| [17:25:03] | justinh: | pvr500 = 2x PVR150 on one card |
| [17:25:29] | dverzolla: | justinh: I use the Composite input. |
| [17:25:43] | iamlindoro__: | Two of those too |
| [17:25:43] | justinh: | dverzolla: so? they come with backplates for the extra inputs |
| [17:25:54] | dverzolla: | justinh: really? |
| [17:25:56] | dverzolla: | hmm |
| [17:25:56] | dverzolla: | nice |
| [17:25:59] | dverzolla: | very nice |
| [17:26:03] | dverzolla: | thanks to hauppauge :D |
| [17:26:06] | sphery: | There's a header. Might need to mod the bracket they give you to hold extra if you're short of slots. |
| [17:26:18] | justinh: | drill hole. job done :) |
| [17:26:21] | sphery: | yep |
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| [17:26:26] | dverzolla: | sphery: have this in the website? |
| [17:26:28] | sphery: | maybe splice some wires (if you can't reach) |
| [17:26:30] | iamlindoro__: | I'd say the pro-Hauppauge feelings are running high lately. |
| [17:26:34] | sphery: | not the mod. |
| [17:26:39] | sphery: | can give you a link to the plate |
| [17:27:04] | ** sid3windr does not have the bracket ** | |
| [17:27:21] | sid3windr: | (blame mce model?) |
| [17:27:24] | justinh: | AFAIK they used to sell the bracket separately but now include it |
| [17:27:28] | dverzolla: | justinh: pvr500 do playout? |
| [17:27:39] | justinh: | no |
| [17:27:44] | dverzolla: | hm |
| [17:27:48] | justinh: | input only |
| [17:27:55] | iamlindoro__: | neither does the 150, of course... |
| [17:27:57] | dverzolla: | ok. |
| [17:28:22] | dverzolla: | 350 do output ok? |
| [17:28:35] | iamlindoro__: | don't use 350s, bad! |
| [17:28:40] | iamlindoro__: | Use a proper graphics card |
| [17:28:49] | clever: | but that takes up another slot:P |
| [17:28:59] | jduggan: | just scored 2gb matched pair of ddr1 for 50quid |
| [17:29:04] | jduggan: | cheap |
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| [17:29:14] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: hmm |
| [17:29:15] | iamlindoro__: | clever, Like he's not going to have a graphics card? |
| [17:29:27] | clever: | ive thought of running a linux wthout one |
| [17:29:29] | iamlindoro__: | clever, Well, I suppose it's possible were it backend-only, but still. |
| [17:29:34] | clever: | not shure if the bios would like it though |
| [17:29:50] | at0m|c: | if you find a place where to order another pvr-x50, lemme know, can't find any in benelux eh |
| [17:30:04] | sphery: | dverzolla: http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/ac . . . uct=av_cable |
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| [17:30:08] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: What is the better card and software that do playout. |
| [17:30:13] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: ? |
| [17:30:20] | AcTiVaTe: | GetEntryAt(-1) failed... does that mean I don't have a tv guide or that my capture card is configured wrong ? |
| [17:30:22] | iamlindoro__: | dverzolla, Any nVidia graphics card |
| [17:30:30] | sphery: | yep, nvidia |
| [17:30:43] | ** AcTiVaTe is trying to watch TV ** | |
| [17:31:04] | sphery: | everyone yell so he can't hear |
| [17:31:13] | AcTiVaTe: | lolz |
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| [17:31:31] | dverzolla: | sphery: tks... I can't use this with pvr150 and record two events at the same time. Right? Need to be pvr500 because the two conexant chips. Right? |
| [17:31:45] | sphery: | right |
| [17:31:47] | iamlindoro__: | That's correct |
| [17:32:01] | dverzolla: | Ok. :D |
| [17:32:02] | dverzolla: | And. |
| [17:32:15] | sphery: | AIUI, "some models" = PVR-500 |
| [17:32:16] | dverzolla: | nVidia works well with mythtb? |
| [17:32:25] | iamlindoro__: | extremely |
| [17:32:41] | sphery: | not worth even trying ATI at this point |
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| [17:32:44] | CardinalFang: | Hi all. I'm new to MythTV culture. I remember reading about a set-top device a few weeks ago that was purposefully very hackable. It wasn't expressedly a mythtv platform, IIRC. I don't remember the mfr or its name. Ideas? |
| [17:33:21] | justinh: | CardinalFang: Yet another over-hyped toy product looking for investors dot com ? |
| [17:33:31] | CardinalFang: | I'd heard of the manufacturer before. Not very large, but well known among us types. |
| [17:33:44] | justinh: | can never remember their name either |
| [17:33:47] | sphery: | dverzolla: Buy the PVR-500's first. justinh is right--they should include the cable kit, now, so you shouldn't need to buy it separately (unless you buy one from eBay or something :) |
| [17:34:08] | dverzolla: | hmmm cool |
| [17:34:19] | dverzolla: | sphery: I will buy 3 cards. |
| [17:34:23] | iamlindoro__: | Sorta smacks of SoftCAMmery, too |
| [17:34:33] | sphery: | CardinalFang: did you check linuxdevices.com |
| [17:34:33] | justinh: | http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.aspx?sku=320605 is the one they used to provide separately |
| [17:34:46] | dverzolla: | sphery: Now I need a playout. |
| [17:34:55] | dverzolla: | Has anyone doing playout of HD? |
| [17:34:59] | sphery: | I love the NVIDIA GF6200 |
| [17:35:01] | dverzolla: | MythTV supports HD? |
| [17:35:05] | iamlindoro__: | Yes. |
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| [17:35:11] | iamlindoro__: | PVR-x50s/500s do not :) |
| [17:35:15] | enhanced: | so I decided screw it for now, gonna put my myth on centos and scrap the fbsd idea for now... though I will be building the latest svn on fbsd in my *spare* time |
| [17:35:20] | CardinalFang: | sphery, /me looks. |
| [17:35:27] | sphery: | I do 1080p60 output no problems with my 6200. |
| [17:35:43] | justinh: | centos? the fresh maker! |
| [17:35:46] | sphery: | the 5200 is also nice, but will be next on the chopping block (for EOL'ed products) |
| [17:36:16] | sphery: | lol. I've never heard those put together that way. fresh maker... |
| [17:36:31] | dverzolla: | sphery: I think that myth wiki have a table with the cards supported to playout. |
| [17:36:45] | enhanced: | justinh: yeah, not a big centos fan...well, honestly not a anything other than BSD fan but...I'll survive..it's a media box.. :-P |
| [17:36:59] | justinh: | :-\ |
| [17:37:06] | iamlindoro__: | dverzolla, Any graphics card with TV out that is supported in linux will work for TV out... just buy any nVidia card better than a 5200. |
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| [17:37:42] | enhanced: | lol |
| [17:38:02] | enhanced: | I'm a security lamer, what do U expect |
| [17:38:10] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: I will buy a nVidia. |
| [17:38:11] | sphery: | yep. Myth doesn't take much GPU (unless you use the new OpenGL rendering--which sounds good, but is far less efficient than Xv rendering, so it's really too early to consider using that). |
| [17:38:26] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: Then you play HD with this nVidia? |
| [17:38:30] | sphery: | enhanced: just build your own distro of Linux. |
| [17:38:31] | sphery: | :) |
| [17:38:40] | iamlindoro__: | Yes. I output 1080p with no issues. |
| [17:38:41] | justinh: | JFUI ;) |
| [17:38:44] | sphery: | me to |
| [17:38:45] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: and to record the HD? |
| [17:38:46] | sphery: | too |
| [17:38:53] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: pvr500 is just SD ok? |
| [17:38:55] | justinh: | just ****ing ubuntu it |
| [17:38:55] | iamlindoro__: | I record HD via firewire from my set top box |
| [17:38:58] | enhanced: | sphery: lol...yeah, all of my BSD I custom build |
| [17:39:01] | justinh: | dverzolla: yeah just SD |
| [17:39:03] | iamlindoro__: | dverzolla, Yes, the PVR cards are SD |
| [17:39:03] | sphery: | I use 4x pcHDTV HD-3000's. |
| [17:39:10] | enhanced: | but for my purposes here this will be just fine |
| [17:39:28] | sphery: | yeah, there's a point when custom isn't worth the cost |
| [17:39:29] | dverzolla: | sphery: With MythTV? |
| [17:39:33] | sphery: | yep |
| [17:39:43] | dverzolla: | sphery: hmmm |
| [17:39:46] | dverzolla: | hmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| [17:39:50] | iamlindoro__: | I also have a few HD 5500s for extra QAM |
| [17:40:00] | sphery: | takes 2 backends, though, because I can't get a power supply that provides sufficiently stable 5V power to handle 4. |
| [17:40:14] | sphery: | HD-3000's are pretty 5V hungry. |
| [17:40:19] | iamlindoro__: | dverzolla, None of thsoe card will work for you, you like in brazil and you have an HD standard for which there are no capture cards |
| [17:40:23] | iamlindoro__: | er live in |
| [17:40:33] | sphery: | Don't know about HD-5500's (the ones that replace the HD-3000's) |
| [17:41:01] | iamlindoro__: | In Brazil they use ISDB-T, no capture cards for it. |
| [17:41:11] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: hmmm |
| [17:41:11] | dverzolla: | :| |
| [17:41:12] | sphery: | definitely need a card that supports the local standards (or a /very/ big antenna or an antenna with a /very/ long cable) |
| [17:41:15] | iamlindoro__: | His best bet is the forthcoming Hauppauge device. |
| [17:41:23] | enhanced: | what do U gents recommend for a good dvd ripper software.... I want to rip to H.264/xvid |
| [17:41:44] | enhanced: | any good OSS stuff out there... this will be on a *sigh* winblows system |
| [17:42:02] | iamlindoro__: | handbrake |
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| [17:42:22] | iamlindoro__: | if you're using Windows or Mac, it's the best there is, even better than AutoGK (which you can also look at) |
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| [17:42:37] | enhanced: | kk |
| [17:42:38] | enhanced: | http://handbrake.fr/ |
| [17:42:40] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: What HD standard works? |
| [17:42:43] | enhanced: | this one? |
| [17:42:55] | iamlindoro__: | enhanced, Yes |
| [17:43:01] | blackest: | Anyone know a cheap domain forwarding service |
| [17:43:09] | iamlindoro__: | dverzolla, There are no cards for Brazil's HD standard. |
| [17:43:17] | enhanced: | iamlindoro__: danke |
| [17:43:21] | iamlindoro__: | enhanced, bitte |
| [17:43:34] | poli: | handbrake? Better than the pre-configured mplayer for ripping? |
| [17:43:47] | enhanced: | sonofa... it needs damn .net framework 2.0 |
| [17:43:53] | enhanced: | stupid pirated windoze |
| [17:43:54] | enhanced: | lmfao |
| [17:43:59] | iamlindoro__: | poli, much better. |
| [17:44:19] | poli: | can you highlight the high points for me? :) |
| [17:44:20] | ** enhanced goes to his fbsd laptop and finds handbrake in the ports list... ah, there's mah bish ** | |
| [17:44:50] | enhanced: | hrm.. regular handbrake and handbrake-gtk2 |
| [17:44:53] | enhanced: | freshports time |
| [17:45:17] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: I will connect this board via HD SDI. |
| [17:45:19] | enhanced: | iamlindoro__: recommend the same for unix/linux os also? |
| [17:45:38] | iamlindoro__: | poli, Friendly GUI, customizable with all the options of ffmpeg/x264, which it is a frontend for, handles are the ripping on a per-title or whole disk basis, allows you to queue up various titles on a disk into different files before starting to make ripping television super easy, etc. |
| [17:45:54] | iamlindoro__: | enhanced, Last time I looked it was CLI only on linux, but that may have changed... if you can get the GUI, then go for it |
| [17:46:06] | poli: | great :) |
| [17:46:37] | enhanced: | iamlindoro__: I dont care about the GUI... but do U recommend handbrake for linux/unix or something better? |
| [17:46:41] | iamlindoro__: | dverzolla, Connect what board via SDI? |
| [17:46:43] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: I'm using the PVRs connect via COmposite input. |
| [17:46:50] | AcTiVaTe: | Anyone here with an old bttv card? I already ran myth-setup over and over trying to reconfigure my card but I keep getting GetEntryAt(-1) failed when trying to start LiveTV |
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| [17:46:57] | iamlindoro__: | dverzolla, OK... that is still going to be SD |
| [17:47:29] | iamlindoro__: | enhanced, I seldom rip on linux, I am sure there are similar options... I'm just not best suited to speak about them. |
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| [17:47:40] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: Yes. But I need a card to do HD. |
| [17:47:41] | enhanced: | ok |
| [17:47:46] | enhanced: | thx for the help man! |
| [17:47:58] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: pcHDTVTM will not work :| |
| [17:47:59] | iamlindoro__: | dverzolla, Yes. And I'm telling you there is no such card for the Brazilian HD standard. |
| [17:48:02] | iamlindoro__: | Doesn't exist. |
| [17:48:17] | jduggan: | so – p4 3ghz w/2gb ram – think this can handle HD ok? |
| [17:48:36] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: Yes, I undestand. But I'm saying to you that I will connect directly from a ap converter. |
| [17:49:10] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: But the pcHDTVTM haven't input to this. |
| [17:49:20] | iamlindoro__: | Well I don't know what an AP converter is. I'm not sure what you want to know. You cannot (currently) capture HD in brazil. |
| [17:49:20] | dverzolla: | One S-Video input port |
| [17:49:37] | iamlindoro__: | Can't. Do. It. |
| [17:49:46] | dverzolla: | a |
| [17:50:04] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: the brazilian standard is ISDB-TB. |
| [17:50:16] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: this is standard is to transmission. |
| [17:50:16] | iamlindoro__: | I knowwwwww that, I was the one who *said* that |
| [17:50:23] | ** iamlindoro__ gives up ** | |
| [17:50:26] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: I see. |
| [17:50:32] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: take easy :D |
| [17:50:38] | iamlindoro__: | NO CAPTURE BOARDS FOR ISDB EXIST |
| [17:50:42] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: drrr |
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| [17:51:04] | ** iamlindoro__ mashes his head on the table. ** | |
| [17:51:11] | dverzolla: | :P |
| [17:51:13] | poli: | I think he is trying to say he will connect the card to the analog output (converted from the digital starndard) |
| [17:51:33] | dverzolla: | poli: Thanks :D |
| [17:51:34] | poli: | so it is just like getting the signal from a good old analog PAL-M system |
| [17:51:43] | iamlindoro__: | Yes, but he keeps talking about, and let me quote here, "But I need a card to do HD." |
| [17:51:57] | iamlindoro__: | And I keep saying that is not possible. |
| [17:52:05] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: you are right. |
| [17:52:06] | iamlindoro__: | He can get all the SD he wants. |
| [17:52:11] | poli: | dverzolla: you will only manage to get stardard PAL-M not not HD with that configuration. |
| [17:52:48] | iamlindoro__: | Haupp needs to get that box out the door already so I can avoid conversations like this. |
| [17:52:55] | dverzolla: | What I can connect to S-video input port? |
| [17:53:03] | iamlindoro__: | a PVR-500 |
| [17:53:06] | iamlindoro__: | or 150 |
| [17:53:15] | poli: | dverzolla: and still you won't have HD |
| [17:53:17] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: in pcHDTVTM |
| [17:53:32] | iamlindoro__: | You won't use a pcHDTV card |
| [17:53:35] | dverzolla: | in pcHDTVTM have one s-video input. |
| [17:53:50] | iamlindoro__: | Use the S-video on a PVR-500... why are you talking about pcHDTV cards? |
| [17:54:42] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: I will get more information. |
| [17:55:14] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: But I have a box (ap converter) where I do various conversions. |
| [17:55:27] | ** iamlindoro__ thinks a little portugeuse knowledge would probably go a long way right now. ** | |
| [17:56:16] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: Or a little english :D |
| [17:56:23] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: I will get more infos. |
| [17:56:27] | dverzolla: | about ap converter. |
| [17:56:40] | poli: | hm there is no precompiled GUI version for Linux (handbreak) |
| [17:56:42] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: And I back to here. |
| [17:56:48] | iamlindoro__: | ok. Sounds good. |
| [17:57:07] | dverzolla: | iamlindoro__: Ok |
| [17:57:09] | dverzolla: | thanks to all. |
| [17:57:11] | dverzolla: | regards |
| [17:57:15] | poli: | dverzolla: try telling me exactly what you want in portuguese and I may be able to help |
| [17:57:20] | poli: | And avoid all the current mess |
| [17:58:00] | iamlindoro__: | poli, what distro are you using? |
| [17:58:18] | poli: | Unbuntu, Debian |
| [17:58:21] | iamlindoro__: | poli, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571637 |
| [17:58:31] | dverzolla: | poli: I will get more infos... I don't now exactly what ap converter do. I will ask to engenir of this project. |
| [17:58:57] | dverzolla: | Closing. |
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| [17:59:20] | iamlindoro__: | poli, instructions there on installing handbrake w/ GUI on ubuntu |
| [17:59:45] | poli: | iamlindoro__: by the way, what distro you use for your mythbox? |
| [18:00:54] | iamlindoro__: | poli, Ubuntu on my mythboxes. |
| [18:01:00] | enhanced: | hrm |
| [18:01:05] | poli: | ouch... needs mono to run |
| [18:01:15] | AcTiVaTe: | I keep getting the message 'GetEntryAt(-1) failed' followed by ' EntryToProgram(0@Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo' when trying to start LiveTV. Can anyone shed some light? :P |
| [18:01:17] | poli: | mythbuntu also? or hand-installed? |
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| [18:01:26] | iamlindoro__: | poli, hand installed |
| [18:01:40] | iamlindoro__: | poli, Ubuntu install, then I remove the extra junk, MythTv from source. |
| [18:01:51] | directhex: | poli, what's wrong with mono? |
| [18:02:48] | poli: | directhex: I am not that fond of .NET architecture. |
| [18:03:03] | poli: | iamlindoro__: anything contra mythbuntu? |
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| [18:03:51] | directhex: | poli, better that than java |
| [18:04:10] | iamlindoro__: | poli, You mean do I dislike it? No, I think it is very very good, in fact. I have just been building things by hand for a long time so I feel most comfortable with it. I also have many scripts and tweaks that are unique on my system that I don't want to conflict with any of the mythbuntu extra stuff. |
| [18:04:13] | poli: | directhex: I am not fond of Java either, but on a scale, it rates 2x as high as .NET. |
| [18:05:01] | poli: | iamlindoro__: oh, ok. I tried Mythbuntu and I really liked it. Needs tweeking, as everything else, but it seems like a job well done. |
| [18:05:14] | directhex: | poli, on memory consumption, 2x higher sounds about right! |
| [18:05:29] | iamlindoro__: | poli, Yes, It's what I recommend for new users most of the time. |
| [18:05:58] | poli: | directhex: don't forget the CPU load and the virtual machine |
| [18:06:05] | poli: | directhex: and yes, I still think it is a lot better than .NET |
| [18:06:24] | directhex: | poli, according to which metric? |
| [18:06:43] | poli: | directhex: mine, that's what we are discussing, isn't it? personal preferences? |
| [18:07:02] | directhex: | poli, is it actually based on anything, is the question |
| [18:07:30] | poli: | directhex: yeah, I developed in Java an in .NET. And I got the work done much better in the first one. Despite not knowing Java at all. |
| [18:08:28] | poli: | But I do have to mention the application needed to be portable and run in 3 different OSes... |
| [18:08:43] | poli: | .NET wasn't actually designed for that... |
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| [18:09:31] | enhanced: | yawn |
| [18:09:46] | enhanced: | handbrake compiled on my bsd box..now just using it haha |
| [18:09:53] | poli: | what bsd? |
| [18:10:13] | enhanced: | freebsd |
| [18:10:26] | directhex: | .net has some windowsisms, and a lot of platform agnosticism – e.g. explicit support for non-windows path structures by design, yet also an expectation of having a my documents folder |
| [18:10:37] | poli: | hm I haven't had a freebsd running in 10 years :( |
| [18:10:45] | enhanced: | poli: that's sad ;-) |
| [18:10:51] | enhanced: | I just need to figure out how to use fbsd |
| [18:10:53] | enhanced: | er lol |
| [18:10:57] | enhanced: | handbrake I mean..lmao |
| [18:11:02] | poli: | lol |
| [18:11:10] | iamlindoro__: | AcTiVaTe, look at this thread:http://g-ding.tv/?q=node/2716 |
| [18:11:24] | enhanced: | Invalid title IFO |
| [18:11:28] | enhanced: | what's that all about? |
| [18:11:32] | poli: | directhex: but I really think that's because they expected windows to change in the future, not support for other platforms |
| [18:11:41] | iamlindoro__: | enhanced, What are you trying to rip? |
| [18:11:59] | enhanced: | Mr. Woodcock |
| [18:12:13] | iamlindoro__: | It's probably got some of the newer copy-protection on it |
| [18:12:20] | iamlindoro__: | w/ intentionally placed bad sectors |
| [18:12:52] | iamlindoro__: | yup, google confirms it |
| [18:13:03] | directhex: | poli, i've been working on cross-platform .net code for about 18 months, i found c# a very easy language to jump into compared to java (despite having spent 3 years of my degree with java and no c# skills) |
| [18:13:19] | iamlindoro__: | When I have those, I use Slysoft AnyDVD to rip them, it'll handle anything. but it's not free. |
| [18:13:45] | poli: | directhex: c# isn't bad, java is really a harder language to get going, especially i you have C/C++ background. |
| [18:14:15] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, and needs windows |
| [18:14:28] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, yup. |
| [18:15:59] | poli: | anyone knows if mythburn will be in the next release? |
| [18:16:28] | iamlindoro__: | MythBurn has been replaced by MythArchive |
| [18:16:39] | directhex: | poli, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/picturebox-2 . . . #picture_nav – ms.net on vista i386, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/picturebox-2 . . . #picture_nav – mono on ubuntu amd64 (with $DISPLAY cleared), i have some ia64 suse shots around here somewhere too |
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| [18:17:44] | poli: | directhex: good |
| [18:19:03] | enhanced: | iamlindoro__: thx |
| [18:19:17] | iamlindoro__: | enhanced, np |
| [18:19:25] | directhex: | gtk#, mono.addins, novell.directory.ldap. the only platform-dependent code is monocurses, where the app needs a recompile between 64-bit platforms (windows, amd64 linux, amd64 windows) |
| [18:19:36] | poli: | iamlindoro__: excellent! :) |
| [18:21:28] | poli: | Unfortunately my mythbuntu has a less-than-excellent video frame output in this damn VMWare Fusion box. |
| [18:21:32] | poli: | :( |
| [18:22:33] | directhex: | i must go & pick up the wife |
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| [18:27:26] | poli: | hm vmware is complaining about DMA issues after a apt-get upgrade |
| [18:27:38] | AcTiVaTe: | iamlindoro__: Thx for the link. However I can still play music. So that would mean the problem can't be in the ~/.mysql.txt right? |
| [18:27:45] | CardinalFang: | justinh, it was Neuros. Meh. |
| [18:29:33] | AcTiVaTe: | iamlindoro__: I was trying to backup my mythconverg to just start all over again. But I am getting an error when running mysqldump mythconverg. About a table being marked as crashed. Could that mean my db is corrupted or something? |
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| [18:29:49] | enhanced: | what bittrate should I select for lossless quality for HD output? |
| [18:30:17] | iamlindoro__: | AcTiVaTe, Yes, run mysqlcheck -r -uwhatever -pwhatever mythconverg |
| [18:31:29] | compy: | iamlindoro, will i386 builds work on my amd64? |
| [18:31:38] | iamlindoro__: | compy, no |
| [18:32:04] | compy: | really?, is there anyway to run a 32 bit OS on 64 bit hardware? |
| [18:32:09] | iamlindoro__: | Sure |
| [18:32:26] | iamlindoro__: | you can install a 32 bit distro on 64 bit hardware without an issue in most cases |
| [18:32:29] | compy: | oh just not i386 |
| [18:32:47] | compy: | or what build would i need to download? |
| [18:33:02] | iamlindoro__: | i386 really doesn't mean anything... if you have a 32 bit distro running, the i386 packages may very well run |
| [18:33:06] | poli: | lol DVD stopped working after a system upgrade... how ironic is taht? |
| [18:33:16] | iamlindoro__: | compy, What are you trying to install? |
| [18:33:39] | compy: | 32 bit version of a linux distro... preferably ubuntu on my amd64 |
| [18:33:54] | iamlindoro__: | That will work fine |
| [18:34:33] | iamlindoro__: | Thought you were trying to install 32 bit packages on an existing 64 bit install or something |
| [18:34:38] | compy: | so the i3386 will work right? |
| [18:34:40] | compy: | oh i see |
| [18:34:43] | AcTiVaTe: | iamlindoro__: =) It was 2 corrupt table row thingies. Watching TV right now. Thx |
| [18:34:45] | compy: | i386* |
| [18:34:53] | iamlindoro__: | AcTiVaTe, Oh, good! glad it's sorted |
| [18:34:57] | iamlindoro__: | compy, Yes |
| [18:35:03] | compy: | sweet thanks |
| [18:35:35] | compy: | iamlindoro, would you recommend running 32 bit instead of 64 bit due to compatability problems... ? |
| [18:35:51] | iamlindoro__: | compy, Nope, I'm happily running 64 bit on all my machines, never an issue |
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| [18:36:27] | iamlindoro__: | compy, What compatibility issues concern you? |
| [18:36:51] | CCFL_Man2: | they found a way to decrypt wii isos |
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| [18:39:05] | CCFL_Man2: | which means you can play the music with a winamp plugin |
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| [18:41:44] | AcTiLappie: | Hmz, my other machine is kinda hanging atm. Still responds to ping but can't get in thru SSH. I got mythtv playing TV finally but last thing I saw in terminal was "VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed" and after that an X Error: Badmatch |
| [18:42:14] | iamlindoro__: | AcTiLappie, So long as TV is still playing, that error message is fine |
| [18:42:39] | AcTiLappie: | I can still hear TV sounds but my screen(s) are frozen and mouse and kb are not responding |
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| [18:43:33] | iamlindoro__: | It's almost certainly unrelated to that error message... if you want to know more, you need to reboot the box and check the logs |
| [18:43:53] | AcTiLappie: | Rebooting now |
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| [18:55:55] | compy: | iamlindoro, just like flash |
| [18:55:57] | compy: | thats about it |
| [18:56:12] | compy: | iamlindoro, do you come across any problems with mythtv and 64 bit? |
| [18:56:22] | iamlindoro__: | compy, nope, no issues. |
| [18:56:51] | iamlindoro__: | and you can run flash in 64 bit with nspluginwrapper |
| [18:57:08] | iamlindoro__: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=476924 |
| [18:57:37] | compy: | iamlindoro, yeah i have it going, just atleast with windows i came across many 64 bit problems... |
| [18:57:49] | iamlindoro__: | compy, There are *many* 64-bit myth users out there, I have *never* come across a problem in this room related to 32 versus 64 bit |
| [18:58:24] | compy: | iamlindoro, sweet ill just stick w/ my current 64 bit |
| [18:58:31] | iamlindoro__: | compy, Probably best. |
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| [18:59:28] | compy: | =] |
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| [19:00:51] | _bt: | hi, im trying to get mythtv frontend working from a different location, so far no luck |
| [19:01:03] | _bt: | 2008-01–22 18:50:35.074 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| [19:01:11] | _bt: | 2008-01–22 18:50:38.077 RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out. |
| [19:01:25] | _bt: | is what im getting. is there anything special i need to do to allow clients outside my network to watch tv? |
| [19:02:31] | Dagmar: | yes |
| [19:02:37] | iamlindoro__: | have you opened all necessary ports? |
| [19:02:44] | _bt: | can you tell me what those are? |
| [19:02:54] | _bt: | ive opened 3306 for mysql, |
| [19:03:02] | _bt: | 6543 – 6546 |
| [19:03:05] | _bt: | and 6948 |
| [19:03:50] | iamlindoro__: | It may also be that your connection just isn't fast enough to stream live TV. It appears you're connecting to the backend, so the backend portion appears to be fine. |
| [19:04:05] | _bt: | what bandwidth is needed? |
| [19:04:08] | AcTiLappie: | iamlindoro: Any probs in running a compositing wm? |
| [19:04:14] | iamlindoro__: | AcTiLappie, Nope |
| [19:04:30] | _bt: | also, is there a way for me to modify the quality accordingly? |
| [19:04:46] | iamlindoro__: | _bt, Whatever your bitrate is set to... you probably need to maintain at least multiple megabits upstream consistently. |
| [19:05:06] | _bt: | i have 2mb upstream, but can you tell me where i can "modify" the bitrate ? |
| [19:06:04] | iamlindoro__: | _bt, In your recording profiles... I strongly doubt you cmaxan sustain 2 Mbit upstream, 2 Mbit is you |
| [19:06:07] | iamlindoro__: | er your max |
| [19:06:39] | _bt: | yeah, i want to bring it down, but i don't know where. so i can change the quality of live tv streaming in "recording profiles" ? |
| [19:06:58] | iamlindoro__: | yes. |
| [19:07:30] | iamlindoro__: | Plus if you are recording digitally, you won't be able to |
| [19:07:41] | iamlindoro__: | that will be if you are tuning analog only |
| [19:07:58] | iamlindoro__: | Any digital tuning will need to be transcoded to lower the bitrate |
| [19:08:44] | _bt: | its dvb=t |
| [19:09:05] | _bt: | how do i select the currently used profile ? to bring my new settings into effect? |
| [19:09:07] | iamlindoro__: | Then you will have to run transcodes on them first to change bitrate |
| [19:09:07] | GreyFoxx: | you your profile will not have any effect |
| [19:09:15] | GreyFoxx: | not on a dvb recording |
| [19:09:20] | GreyFoxx: | cause you are not the one encoding it |
| [19:09:34] | GreyFoxx: | so like he says you would need to transcode it down |
| [19:09:39] | _bt: | oh i see, |
| [19:09:42] | GreyFoxx: | but that wont work for livetv |
| [19:09:47] | GreyFoxx: | not iwth myth anyway |
| [19:10:04] | _bt: | is there a solution i can use? i want to stream british tv to my family who live in the US |
| [19:10:20] | _bt: | i have 2mb upstream max, but want to stream around 1mb, like a slingbox |
| [19:10:31] | GreyFoxx: | _bt: You coulddo it with vlc |
| [19:10:38] | GreyFoxx: | it will transcode on the fly |
| [19:10:41] | GreyFoxx: | but not with myth |
| [19:11:07] | _bt: | okay thanks! do you have a link to get me started? |
| [19:11:20] | _bt: | found one |
| [19:11:23] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [19:11:28] | _bt: | thank you for that |
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| [19:16:52] | _bt: | hmm |
| [19:16:57] | _bt: | i have no idea how it works |
| [19:17:00] | _bt: | some reading is afoot! |
| [19:17:09] | iamlindoro__: | #videolan may be able to help, too |
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| [19:17:21] | _bt: | ta |
| [19:18:29] | GreyFoxx: | I have a couple scripts I used for it myself which called vlc |
| [19:18:42] | GreyFoxx: | haven't used them in a year or so but it was handy during the olympics :) |
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| [19:20:41] | _bt: | GreyFoxx: will my family be able to switch channels etc etc themselves? |
| [19:21:17] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [19:21:26] | Daviey: | _bt: make sure they buy a tv licence aswell :) |
| [19:21:30] | GreyFoxx: | well at least I never set mine up to do that |
| [19:21:42] | _bt: | ha ha |
| [19:21:48] | GreyFoxx: | I just commandline told it what channel to tune and grabbed the stream from my office |
| [19:22:11] | Daviey: | *cough* trunk *cough* |
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| [19:35:47] | clever: | theres a bug ive had a few times in mythmusic |
| [19:35:59] | clever: | after i rescan the mythmusic ui goes a bit nuts and sometimes segfaults |
| [19:36:09] | clever: | any1 else had similar problems? |
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| [19:50:02] | enhanced: | yawn lol |
| [19:50:10] | enhanced: | why does god hate me haha |
| [19:51:09] | clever: | why does it seem like he does?:P |
| [19:51:16] | clever: | it could just be your neighbor:P |
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| [19:55:33] | enhanced: | lol could be clever |
| [19:55:44] | enhanced: | nah, just having a hell of a time ripping and transcoding |
| [19:55:51] | enhanced: | granted, I am new to this |
| [19:56:01] | clever: | ah |
| [19:56:06] | clever: | could just be your computers fault:P |
| [19:56:12] | clever: | or the riaa/mpaa:P |
| [19:56:18] | enhanced: | yeah, those prix |
| [19:56:24] | enhanced: | just tried Superbad |
| [19:56:34] | clever: | copying dvd's here seemed trivial for me |
| [19:56:36] | clever: | using 'cpdvd' |
| [19:57:03] | clever: | the hardest part was installing the special decryptor lib which cant legaly be part of the distro packages |
| [19:57:14] | clever: | a readme that came with cpdvd pointed to a sh script which fixed that |
| [19:57:25] | enhanced: | ah |
| [19:57:34] | clever: | and probly also mentions the legal warnings and crap you have to follow 'before' using it:P |
| [19:57:41] | enhanced: | lol |
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| [19:58:15] | iamlindoro__: | clever, Well that's libdvdcss, but it appears enhanced was having trouble with the fancy new ARCoss style copy protection earlier, where they introduce bad sectors into the disk to prevent ripping |
| [19:58:25] | clever: | ah |
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| [19:58:45] | enhanced: | yeah, I am trying superbad now..so not sure if it has that trash also |
| [19:59:00] | iamlindoro__: | which unfortunately libdvdcss is no help with... there are some ways around it, though... They are just an *awful* pain in the ass and/or not free and/or not for Loonix |
| [19:59:18] | enhanced: | lol loonix |
| [19:59:26] | iamlindoro__: | "Hello, I'm leenoos toorvalds, and dees is how I say Leenoox." |
| [19:59:30] | enhanced: | well, I have a wondoze box here |
| [19:59:31] | clever: | id perfer to avoid anything that has to deal with winblows:P |
| [19:59:47] | iamlindoro__: | anyone remember that recording? |
| [19:59:54] | clever: | im still trying to port all the progs i wrote in winblows so i can stop running that unstable crap |
| [20:00:01] | enhanced: | I have mostly BSD..but just built a CentOS box for myth and of course have winblows boxen around also |
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| [20:00:20] | clever: | windows is droping tcp conections at an alarming rate |
| [20:00:27] | clever: | irc can bearly stay online for an hour at times |
| [20:00:48] | enhanced: | yep, you need BSD running screen and irssi |
| [20:00:50] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/torvalds-says-linux.mp3 |
| [20:01:11] | clever: | yet my linux pc with irssi is staying online for days or even weeks at a time |
| [20:01:25] | clever: | i have ubuntu with irssi screen and ctrlproxy |
| [20:01:36] | clever: | ctrlproxy goes to the network and handles the nick |
| [20:01:41] | enhanced: | ubuntu is kinda a dirty word to me..but it's better than winblows |
| [20:01:43] | clever: | irssi and mirc go to ctrlproxy |
| [20:01:55] | clever: | so i can still access the same nick on irc from winblows |
| [20:02:01] | enhanced: | right |
| [20:02:09] | clever: | and when i move a script from 1 to another it shares the nick with windows |
| [20:02:24] | clever: | so the noobs using my script dont even notice 2 bots with the features shifting back and forth |
| [20:02:35] | clever: | all they see is 1 bot with all features |
| [20:02:43] | enhanced: | my BSD+screen+irssi stays on until the box dies..no disconnects... granted I have fibre in my house |
| [20:03:00] | clever: | right now im following this path roughtly to type to you |
| [20:03:14] | clever: | xterm->ssh->sshd->screen->irssi->ctrlproxy->linux_router->w eb |
| [20:03:25] | clever: | the most unstablepart of that is the router |
| [20:03:39] | clever: | and i can go into more complex details:P |
| [20:03:51] | GreyFoxx: | hehe I one had the HD die in my OpenBSD firewall |
| [20:03:58] | GreyFoxx: | and I didn't know about it for 3 weeks |
| [20:04:01] | clever: | the hdd in my router is failing |
| [20:04:06] | clever: | man and gcc are dead |
| [20:04:13] | clever: | but it still routers just fine |
| [20:04:24] | GreyFoxx: | cause the thing kept working, but after 3 weeks of being unable to write out the DHCP leases file eventually dhcpd failed which is what brought it to my attention |
| [20:04:28] | enhanced: | *routers lol clever |
| [20:04:32] | clever: | typo:P |
| [20:04:38] | clever: | meant to say routes |
| [20:04:42] | enhanced: | I know |
| [20:04:46] | clever: | thinking faster then i can type |
| [20:05:14] | clever: | i noticed the dying hdd when gcc segfaulted trying to build a new package |
| [20:05:24] | clever: | the gcc in /tools/bin/ still works though |
| [20:05:33] | clever: | need to back the thing up and replace the hdd late |
| [20:05:34] | clever: | r |
| [20:05:43] | clever: | but that would cause an outage of the entire network |
| [20:05:57] | clever: | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| [20:05:57] | clever: | /dev/hda1 2.7G 2.1G 442M 83% / |
| [20:06:22] | clever: | cat /proc/partitions |
| [20:06:22] | clever: | major minor #blocks name |
| [20:06:22] | clever: | 3 0 3153024 hda |
| [20:06:25] | clever: | 3 1 2822368 hda1 |
| [20:06:31] | clever: | drive seems about 3gig in size |
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| [20:06:55] | hobophobe: | Is there any good 'migration guide' to move myth from one computer to another? |
| [20:07:10] | clever: | ive tried moving my master to a slave box |
| [20:07:11] | fryfrog: | hobophobe: just do it :) |
| [20:07:16] | clever: | by just changing the master server ip |
| [20:07:20] | iamlindoro__: | and don't fuck up. |
| [20:07:20] | clever: | and it didnt work right |
| [20:07:26] | enhanced: | yawn, what a pain |
| [20:07:26] | hobophobe: | hehe |
| [20:07:29] | Dagmar: | Wonder why |
| [20:07:30] | clever: | but ive heard the master MUST have a input card |
| [20:07:37] | fryfrog: | hobophobe: probably what I'd do is install on the new system |
| [20:07:41] | clever: | and the system i turned into the master didnt |
| [20:07:49] | fryfrog: | then stop backend on the old one, dump db and load to new system |
| [20:07:57] | fryfrog: | then, copy or move the recordings |
| [20:08:08] | clever: | currently my db is stored near the recordings on the same fs/nfsshare |
| [20:08:15] | clever: | and the mysql server is on ONE of the slaves |
| [20:08:29] | hobophobe: | fryfrog, so move the card, install the software, move the db, move the recordings? |
| [20:09:00] | clever: | if the hostname changes the settings and cards wont move over |
| [20:09:04] | fryfrog: | you could probably leave "the card" in the old system until you have the software installed on the new one |
| [20:09:13] | fryfrog: | clever: you can easily change the hostname |
| [20:09:15] | hobophobe: | ah |
| [20:09:22] | fryfrog: | or you can make your new backend *have* the old hostname |
| [20:09:22] | clever: | yeah |
| [20:09:24] | fryfrog: | bam, no worries |
| [20:09:31] | clever: | simpler to copy it globaly or in mysql.txt |
| [20:09:38] | clever: | too many tables to update it in |
| [20:09:43] | fryfrog: | i concur |
| [20:09:47] | fryfrog: | i'd probably do this: |
| [20:10:42] | clever: | ssh 192.168.1.3 tar -xf – / > /media/mainlv/videos/drives/routerbackup.2008jan.tar |
| [20:10:50] | clever: | i beleive that should backup my routers entire fs |
| [20:10:57] | fryfrog: | 1) Build "new" BE 2) Install Myth 3) stop myth on old 4) dump db 5) copy db and recordings to new be 6) shut down old 7) bring up new with old's IP and hostname 8) install card/hds/etc 9) restore db and filesystem (to same place) 10) turn on new BE |
| [20:11:20] | clever: | that could work |
| [20:11:35] | hobophobe: | Hmm wait |
| [20:11:35] | clever: | id be lazy though and just keep the 'old' as a slave backend that merely serves files:P |
| [20:11:38] | fryfrog: | i guess it'd be smart to swap 7 and 8 :) |
| [20:11:41] | hobophobe: | you guys use separate backends, maybe I should do that |
| [20:11:53] | clever: | i have a mythbackend on every frontend |
| [20:12:01] | fryfrog: | I have one "server" that does everything (not just myth) and a frontend near my TV. |
| [20:12:01] | clever: | even though i only have 1 input card working |
| [20:12:15] | fryfrog: | you don't need to have 2 backends, nor do you need to have a seperate BE and FE machines |
| [20:12:15] | clever: | and its set to run jobs on any backend |
| [20:12:24] | fryfrog: | it can just make life nicer for you, in some cases |
| [20:12:30] | clever: | all my systems are fd+be |
| [20:12:35] | clever: | 1 of them has a card |
| [20:12:49] | clever: | and they all watch shows and flag/transcode |
| [20:13:51] | hobophobe: | I'll think about it some more... dealing with a busted hot water heater so can't do anything either way right now. |
| [20:14:01] | hobophobe: | Thanks for the input/ideas though |
| [20:14:14] | clever: | my hot water heater is also the furnace |
| [20:14:20] | clever: | and its next to my router desktop |
| [20:14:30] | clever: | if that blows we freeze and the router gets soaked |
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| [20:14:36] | fryfrog: | how is a hot water heater also a furnace? |
| [20:14:45] | clever: | it burns oil to heat water |
| [20:14:55] | clever: | the water goes thru radiators to heat the house |
| [20:14:59] | fryfrog: | what do you call that sort of device? |
| [20:15:03] | clever: | and it also heats a 2nd tank for the hot tap water |
| [20:15:05] | fryfrog: | OH! |
| [20:15:08] | fryfrog: | neat |
| [20:15:13] | hobophobe: | I think we're gonna try to go tankless |
| [20:15:14] | fryfrog: | are you someplace cold? |
| [20:15:18] | clever: | canada! |
| [20:15:22] | fryfrog: | eh! |
| [20:15:23] | clever: | it was -22 this morning |
| [20:15:28] | clever: | -15 c right now outside |
| [20:15:28] | hobophobe: | C? |
| [20:15:29] | Dagmar: | ...which is why they're burning oil |
| [20:15:34] | hobophobe: | nice, you guys use metric! |
| [20:15:52] | CaptObviousman: | water's inefficient at retaining heat |
| [20:15:52] | hobophobe: | wish we did, stupid america |
| [20:16:04] | Dagmar: | Anything with a '-' in front of it is "damn cold" |
| [20:16:06] | CaptObviousman: | and it takes way too much energy to heat it up to begin with |
| [20:16:46] | clever: | the water used to heat the house is in a sealed loop |
| [20:16:53] | clever: | and may have special chemicals to make it easyer to heat |
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| [20:16:58] | fryfrog: | water holds heat better than air |
| [20:17:16] | fryfrog: | and can store a lot more energy in the same volume |
| [20:18:10] | clever: | brb |
| [20:19:26] | clever: | back |
| [20:19:55] | clever: | weee |
| [20:20:02] | clever: | io errors on a few man pages and .h files |
| [20:23:05] | enhanced: | for the BE do I need to worry about audio/video support compiled in? |
| [20:23:23] | clever: | depends on your capture card |
| [20:23:55] | enhanced: | so, all that I am using myth for right now |
| [20:24:01] | clever: | id think id need liblame and atleast oss dev to be able to capture the sound from a normal sound card with a frame grabber |
| [20:24:05] | enhanced: | is to house dvds |
| [20:24:15] | enhanced: | I am not going to capture anything |
| [20:24:27] | enhanced: | just rip dvds and put them in myth and share out using Upnp |
| [20:24:43] | wek: | I have some trouble with the xmltv. I adde xmltv as videosource , then connected it to my two dvb cards in the input connections. Then I added the xmltv id via mythweb into the channels. After doing mythfilldatabase --manual, the xmltv asks me for callsign,channelid,... and creates new channels. I searched for mythtv and xmltv tutorials on the net but did not find any. Help appreciated |
| [20:24:56] | enhanced: | I also dont' see an option in the ./configure --help to only build for a BE and not a FE |
| [20:25:18] | Dagmar: | You've got good eyes. |
| [20:25:49] | clever: | enhanced: theres one to not build the mythfrontend |
| [20:25:51] | Dagmar: | When did Myth start spewing video over uPnP? |
| [20:26:01] | iamlindoro__: | enhanced, They exist, but they are "unsupported," and therefore not listed. I believe --backend-only is the one you are looking for. |
| [20:26:03] | GreyFoxx: | Dagmar: I added it pre 0.20 |
| [20:26:13] | Dagmar: | seriously? |
| [20:26:13] | enhanced: | gotcha |
| [20:26:20] | GreyFoxx: | Dagmar: But I redid the mythvideo bits over xmas |
| [20:26:23] | clever: | iamlindoro__: since when did --help stop showing them?:S |
| [20:26:24] | GreyFoxx: | so now it works with xbox360 |
| [20:26:28] | Dagmar: | Ah |
| [20:26:28] | enhanced: | GreyFoxx: I only need the Backend yes? |
| [20:26:33] | GreyFoxx: | and you can browse the mythvideo stuff like adirectory |
| [20:26:46] | Dagmar: | Nice |
| [20:26:51] | wek: | wek: Well I guess i should aska question: Which channels do I need to delete? Is there any sense of unclicking the dvb epg data tickbox at the end in mythweb? |
| [20:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | enhanced: yes |
| [20:27:02] | enhanced: | Dagmar: what GreyFoxx said, it's what I am trying/testing right now |
| [20:27:05] | GreyFoxx: | the FE isn't invoved in that |
| [20:27:05] | enhanced: | kewl thx GreyFoxx |
| [20:27:09] | iamlindoro__: | clever, since always? |
| [20:27:20] | clever: | i remember --help showing it before:S |
| [20:27:31] | enhanced: | yeah, it doesn't now clever |
| [20:27:37] | GreyFoxx: | enhanced: though that's for SVN trunk, if you are using 0.20.2 or something it might not be so special |
| [20:27:40] | clever: | which means it hasnt allways been this way:P |
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| [20:27:49] | Dagmar: | AH |
| [20:27:54] | enhanced: | GreyFoxx: I have the SVN trunk |
| [20:28:00] | GreyFoxx: | enhanced: cool |
| [20:28:01] | enhanced: | and am working on building it on CentOS right now |
| [20:28:10] | Dagmar: | I thought that seemed like a pretty big feature to go into 0.20-fixes while I was not watching |
| [20:28:29] | GreyFoxx: | Just launch mythvideo on the backend once to set the initial source directory and such and you should be good to go |
| [20:28:39] | enhanced: | nice |
| [20:28:49] | enhanced: | just as soon as I get it to build ;-) |
| [20:28:53] | GreyFoxx: | enhanced: It will autoupdate the list every 30 minutes so if you add files/dirs it will see them without a restart |
| [20:29:10] | GreyFoxx: | (upnp code auto updates, mythvideo doesn't fyi) |
| [20:29:14] | clever: | iamlindoro__: ahh i see the comment in configure hiding the info on --disable-frontend |
| [20:29:24] | iamlindoro__: | clever, yup |
| [20:29:35] | clever: | which means i know which file to check the history of |
| [20:29:41] | clever: | to see exactly when it was added! |
| [20:29:43] | GreyFoxx: | unless you are portijng to a new platform there is no good reason to not just build it all |
| [20:29:53] | GreyFoxx: | you save like 1 meg of space |
| [20:29:59] | GreyFoxx: | and add headaches later |
| [20:30:15] | clever: | 1 time it may be usefull |
| [20:30:22] | clever: | why even build mythbackend on win32 |
| [20:30:31] | clever: | when the capture stuff probly wont even build right in its current state |
| [20:30:44] | clever: | how well is win32 capture even built up so far yet? |
| [20:30:47] | GreyFoxx: | IPTV/network recorders, eventually allow for use of Wiundows drivers for capture for stuff not supported in linux |
| [20:31:10] | clever: | network recording is about the only thing that would work on win32 with little work |
| [20:31:23] | clever: | but the only point of that is if you want a all windows myth network |
| [20:31:29] | GreyFoxx: | hardly |
| [20:31:33] | enhanced: | ok |
| [20:31:44] | enhanced: | then I'll build it all..first need to add depends though |
| [20:31:49] | clever: | network recording just needs the overall prog to function |
| [20:31:52] | GreyFoxx: | some people want windows FE's, some want to use that sparkly new tuner they bought that has no linux support and might never have it |
| [20:32:07] | clever: | capture from a card needs it to interface with the card drivers which needs alot more work id think |
| [20:32:29] | clever: | accessing a network recorder doesnt care what os your on |
| [20:32:32] | GreyFoxx: | so what if it takes work ? :) |
| [20:32:39] | clever: | aslong as you patch up the socket layer |
| [20:32:41] | GreyFoxx: | Unless you are the one expected to do it, then who cares ?:) |
| [20:32:44] | clever: | which is needed anyway for everything else |
| [20:33:01] | clever: | lol |
| [20:33:01] | enhanced: | lol, even with the --disable-frontend |
| [20:33:02] | enhanced: | # Misc Features |
| [20:33:02] | enhanced: | Frontend yes |
| [20:33:02] | enhanced: | Backend yes |
| [20:33:10] | enhanced: | not a biggy, jsut testin |
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| [20:33:36] | wek: | does anyone successfully use xmltv? |
| [20:33:41] | GreyFoxx: | enhanced: use of the disabling fe or be flags are not supported, so it might even require edits to stuff :) |
| [20:34:05] | clever: | and is it posible yet to cross build a win32 from linux? |
| [20:35:17] | enhanced: | right |
| [20:35:22] | ** enhanced vomits (win32) ** | |
| [20:35:29] | clever: | i know:P |
| [20:35:49] | clever: | but some of my systems are stuck with either win32 or netbooting linux right now |
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| [20:35:56] | kao77: | is there a way to use a different audio capture device for different inputs of the same video capture device? for tv input /dev/dsp1 (SAA7134) is fine, but for composite sound comes in on ALSA:default (HDA-Intel) device instead |
| [20:36:15] | trimeta: | Anyone know how the UPnP/DLNA stuff works? In particular, where do I put my music on my Mythbuntu box such that it will be shared? |
| [20:36:16] | GreyFoxx: | clever: I'm unware of anyone but yourself who has even attempted it |
| [20:36:22] | clever: | lol |
| [20:36:34] | GreyFoxx: | trimeta: Do you have a single be/fe box ? |
| [20:36:38] | trimeta: | Yes. |
| [20:36:45] | clever: | GreyFoxx: ive managed to cross build some .dll files which do work under win32 and a test exe i just threw togeher worked under wine |
| [20:36:57] | clever: | GreyFoxx: id think id have to cross built the entire qt and myth still though... |
| [20:37:27] | trimeta: | And it's already recognized at least partially by my Windows vista machine; I see "<Box name: MythTV AV Media Server" in the Network folder. |
| [20:37:31] | clever: | and somehow teach mingw to use the win32 qt headers and not the linux ones and ........ |
| [20:37:33] | GreyFoxx: | ok, I don'ty know if ubuntu sets a default location or not, but you can run mythfrontend, and check the setup menus to see where the music directory is pointed. Place the music there or change the FE setting to point to where you want |
| [20:37:53] | trimeta: | OK. It's in the frontend settings, not the backend? |
| [20:37:54] | GreyFoxx: | trimeta: Then scan it in with mythmusic so it will knwo about the music |
| [20:37:56] | GreyFoxx: | then it's automatica |
| [20:38:03] | trimeta: | OK. |
| [20:38:18] | GreyFoxx: | trimeta: The backend shares out the content, but the mythmusic scanning/config is in thefrontend |
| [20:38:52] | trimeta: | I'll go try it. |
| [20:38:55] | GreyFoxx: | trimeta: Yeah, and in my dev branch I have WMP11 under vista able to play all my mythvideo videos and see their cover posters |
| [20:39:06] | GreyFoxx: | I'll commit that before the next release |
| [20:39:19] | clever: | i dont think i even have the posters working within mythvideo! |
| [20:39:45] | GreyFoxx: | Right now I'm trying to figure out why coverposters aren't working for the xbox360, but it happily does them with a wmp11 server |
| [20:39:56] | GreyFoxx: | and then finish getting mp3/music playback working on the 360 |
| [20:40:05] | clever: | clone the wmp11 output identicaly |
| [20:40:17] | clever: | then slowly convert it to match mythtv until something breaks |
| [20:40:21] | GreyFoxx: | clever: can't clone it exactly |
| [20:40:26] | GreyFoxx: | but I have it very clopse |
| [20:40:44] | clever: | why cant you just copy it byte for byte at first? |
| [20:40:52] | GreyFoxx: | rthe 360 does a DRM handshake with wmp which is never duplicated |
| [20:40:57] | clever: | ahh |
| [20:41:06] | clever: | some encrypted junk to complicate it? |
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| [20:41:19] | GreyFoxx: | so far that's the only real difference I can see between what I send it and what wmp11 does |
| [20:41:29] | GreyFoxx: | clever: yup |
| [20:41:40] | clever: | ah |
| [20:41:53] | GreyFoxx: | the coverposters aren't the end of the world, it just woulda been nice :) |
| [20:42:09] | GreyFoxx: | I'm going to add them to the music bits before 0.21 as well |
| [20:42:18] | GreyFoxx: | but I should hurry as that's getting closer |
| [20:42:20] | clever: | i dont even have any upnp players that i know of |
| [20:42:30] | clever: | win xp is detecting my master but thats about it |
| [20:42:42] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah, WMP11 under xp wont act as a upnpclient |
| [20:42:53] | GreyFoxx: | and under vista it acts as a really shitty limited client |
| [20:42:57] | clever: | damn bastards! |
| [20:42:58] | GreyFoxx: | but better than nothing |
| [20:43:06] | clever: | id perfer to not ever get vista |
| [20:43:34] | clever: | i recenly tryed seting up qemu with its own dedicated vid card+keyboard+mouse |
| [20:43:37] | GreyFoxx: | I was given a license for it by my boss to get the video playback working under vista heh |
| [20:43:43] | clever: | so i could merge some of my winblows servers into the linux system |
| [20:43:48] | GreyFoxx: | so I have it in a VM on my slave backend :) |
| [20:43:50] | clever: | and free the 2.9ghz up for linux |
| [20:44:11] | clever: | but ive yet to get dualseat X server going right |
| [20:44:17] | justinh: | waf went down a few points tonight :( |
| [20:44:20] | clever: | with a pair of identical usb 'keyboards' |
| [20:44:27] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: ? |
| [20:44:36] | Dagmar: | clever: you will need at least one source patch for that |
| [20:44:57] | GreyFoxx: | clever: I've only done it with a ps2 keyboard, and a usb keyboard. never with 2 usb keyboards |
| [20:44:58] | clever: | Dagmar: ive seen stuff to do it before but i dont think it would work rigth with matching devices |
| [20:44:58] | justinh: | Emmerdale didn't record. had a rule set to record at any time on that channel, keep max 3 episodes, expire old. great. until they changed the show title to incorporate a subtitle. grrr |
| [20:44:59] | Dagmar: | I'm assuming you already found the documentation about the SA school doing that with four heads and eight input devices |
| [20:45:15] | clever: | GreyFoxx: its not actualy a usb keyboard |
| [20:45:17] | clever: | its a KVM |
| [20:45:18] | Dagmar: | clever: With matching devices you either a) know your USB like a god, or b) fail |
| [20:45:26] | clever: | the usb plug has a keyboard and mouse behind it |
| [20:45:41] | Dagmar: | It's possible to tell what USB port something is plugged into |
| [20:45:47] | clever: | and all 4 ports of the KVM are identical devices |
| [20:45:52] | clever: | yeah |
| [20:45:57] | clever: | that may help |
| [20:46:04] | justinh: | played on a demo of an 8 head system somebody is selling at Linuxworld a while back. used as internet kiosks. worked just fine |
| [20:46:07] | clever: | but last time i tried it |
| [20:46:10] | clever: | i had both X's up |
| [20:46:12] | Dagmar: | Short of passing keyboards around that's your only shot |
| [20:46:22] | clever: | but the usb keyboard and mouse randomly jumped between servers |
| [20:46:41] | Dagmar: | You probably didn't actually define them correctly in X |
| [20:46:46] | clever: | i was going to tie it right into qemu and skip the X server |
| [20:46:54] | justinh: | clever: yeah but you can get around that with a clever config wiz :) |
| [20:47:04] | clever: | the main x is kde based |
| [20:47:08] | clever: | with kdm starting it |
| [20:47:10] | justinh: | press a key on keyboard 1. press left on mouse 1 :D |
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| [20:47:43] | clever: | its actualy 1 keyboard+mouse with 4 outputs |
| [20:49:19] | clever: | another thing im still wondering about |
| [20:49:47] | clever: | when i connect a new usb keyboard/mouse |
| [20:49:47] | clever: | it automaticaly links into the x server |
| [20:50:11] | clever: | i suspect the kernel is merging all mice into /dev/input/mice and hiding that from the userspace layer |
| [20:50:41] | Dagmar: | No, really? |
| [20:50:47] | Dagmar: | because that's exactly the way it works |
| [20:50:52] | Dagmar: | ...and it's even documented extensively. |
| [20:50:59] | Dagmar: | Dude, I know what your problem is. |
| [20:51:04] | Dagmar: | You're not reading any documentation to do RESEARCH |
| [20:51:18] | clever: | ive read several sites on how to do multiseat with ubuntu |
| [20:51:18] | Dagmar: | Multiple groups of people are doing this trick you're aiming for. |
| [20:51:28] | Dagmar: | You're _failing_ because you're making guesses as to what you should do. |
| [20:51:37] | clever: | i skiped doing the evdev on the 1st X server |
| [20:51:44] | clever: | thinking i could tie the usb device directly into qemu |
| [20:51:48] | Dagmar: | No, I really doubt you are reading. |
| [20:51:55] | Dagmar: | "Skimming" might be a better word. |
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| [20:52:17] | clever: | all the pages explained how to mod the gdm config for multiseat |
| [20:52:17] | Dagmar: | Weren't you doing this like, four months ago when I was last here? |
| [20:52:20] | clever: | none mentioned kdm |
| [20:52:27] | Dagmar: | So use GDM. |
| [20:52:48] | clever: | yeah i can probly mix gdm and kde |
| [20:52:57] | Dagmar: | There's no "probably" to it. |
| [20:52:58] | clever: | so its gdm hosting the logins and a kde ui afterwards |
| [20:53:04] | Dagmar: | THey're separate thigns. |
| [20:53:12] | clever: | kdm was loging in as gnome at first till i found the right switch |
| [20:53:15] | Dagmar: | THe login manager and the desktop environment are entirely separate things |
| [20:53:19] | clever: | yeah |
| [20:53:32] | clever: | and ive ran gnome without startx/kdm/gdm before |
| [20:53:42] | clever: | DISPLAY=thinserver:0 gnome-session & |
| [20:53:57] | clever: | i forget how i found that but it acts like i just logged in |
| [20:53:57] | Dagmar: | That will no longer work. |
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| [20:54:13] | clever: | that still works with ubuntu 7.10 on the end with gnome |
| [20:54:27] | clever: | the thin end has worked with lfs and ubuntu |
| [20:54:53] | clever: | why wont running gnome-session work anymore? |
| [20:55:53] | Dagmar: | because that's not the way you start GNOME now |
| [20:56:01] | clever: | ahh they renamed the script? |
| [20:56:06] | justinh: | anyway Mr Dagmar nice to have you back |
| [20:56:09] | Dagmar: | Documentation are a lot like books. |
| [20:56:15] | Dagmar: | They hold the keys to everything. |
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| [20:56:30] | Dagmar: | clever: You suck at guessing. |
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| [20:56:37] | Dagmar: | You should give that up. It's a nasty habit. |
| [20:56:51] | clever: | from a glance at ps it looks like startkde == gnome-session |
| [20:56:55] | clever: | lol |
| [20:56:59] | Dagmar: | You're not a stupid guy, but your guessing is wasting away your productive time |
| [20:57:17] | justinh: | doing things half-assed can do that too |
| [20:57:18] | clever: | i could run startkde later to check |
| [20:57:33] | clever: | probly isnt safe to run 2 of them under the same HOME at once though |
| [20:57:42] | justinh: | if it was my nfs server I'd just have separate nfsroots for all the machines. said mister loadsaspace |
| [20:57:52] | clever: | like id expect gconfd to corupt the config if they try and share a HOME |
| [20:58:03] | Dagmar: | Two more wrong guesses. |
| [20:58:19] | Dagmar: | Seeing a pattern? |
| [20:58:27] | clever: | ive heard of gconfd corupting the data before if 2 systems ran it on the same HOME |
| [20:58:47] | clever: | neither knows of the other and tryes to edit data the other might be using |
| [20:58:52] | Dagmar: | It doesn't "corrupt" the data |
| [20:59:10] | Dagmar: | It's just the same effect as if you try piping two files into one without controlling which one writes first. |
| [20:59:16] | clever: | yeah |
| [20:59:21] | clever: | which will scramble it basicaly:P |
| [21:00:00] | clever: | the result will be near useless |
| [21:00:39] | clever: | enless you know the format well enough to seperate the 2 copys and repair it |
| [21:01:21] | clever: | id expect running 2 kde's off the same HOME would have the same effect |
| [21:01:33] | clever: | might be lessened if both are actualy running on the same box |
| [21:01:45] | clever: | file locking would actualy work between them |
| [21:02:33] | clever: | i know locking between nfs clients is broken because ive ran 2 apt-get's at once by mistake |
| [21:02:48] | clever: | and the 2nd thought a install was killed mid way thru and explained how to fix it |
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| [21:07:21] | enhanced: | yawn |
| [21:07:29] | enhanced: | http://pastebin.com/m2fcd1956 |
| [21:07:34] | enhanced: | damn qt trash |
| [21:08:37] | Dagmar: | enhanced: WOW |
| [21:08:38] | Dagmar: | I've actually never seen Qt blow out like that before. :) |
| [21:09:03] | enhanced: | lol |
| [21:09:05] | Dagmar: | Offhand I'd say you're missing a goodly chunk of it, since it's mainly whining about not being able to find header files |
| [21:09:07] | enhanced: | shocker, I know |
| [21:09:16] | enhanced: | yeah, it's the headers |
| [21:09:18] | clever: | ive had similar problems recently with glib.h |
| [21:09:27] | enhanced: | the default qt shit doesn't put them in a system path |
| [21:09:33] | enhanced: | *sigh |
| [21:09:34] | clever: | the 'missing' things are just in a diff include path then what its looking |
| [21:09:35] | Dagmar: | Find a search engine that will let you search for what package provides a given file for your distribution |
| [21:09:43] | Dagmar: | That'll solve a lot of problems very quickly |
| [21:09:43] | enhanced: | I have them on the system |
| [21:09:43] | clever: | not shure if im even including glib.h right |
| [21:09:46] | enhanced: | just gotta symlink |
| [21:09:58] | enhanced: | *cough ghey |
| [21:10:12] | Dagmar: | enhanced: More likely you need to tell Myth what the proper include paths are |
| [21:10:17] | Dagmar: | Symlinks are almost never the right answer/ |
| [21:11:02] | Dagmar: | If you're using an rpm-based distro, rpmfind.net will usually get you close to the right answer very quickly |
| [21:11:08] | clever: | yeah ive used symlinks before to hack something up into working |
| [21:11:13] | clever: | but there are probly better ways |
| [21:11:13] | enhanced: | yeah...true |
| [21:12:16] | Dagmar: | The problem with promiscuously generating symlinks is that _later_ you'll have to build something else that will expect those things actually to be in the place they are, and it will likely get confused. |
| [21:12:35] | Dagmar: | ...or it'll result in two headers with matching names colliding and the wrong one being included. |
| [21:12:40] | Dagmar: | Those are always a hoot to figure out |
| [21:12:43] | clever: | extra .h files |
| [21:12:44] | clever: | panic panic panic! |
| [21:13:29] | Dagmar: | Do a `find /usr -name qnetwork.h` for example, and then look for some configure arguments that sound like --with-qt-include-path=blah |
| [21:13:47] | clever: | locate is often way faster |
| [21:13:53] | clever: | but some systems may not have it |
| [21:14:03] | clever: | and it lacks as many usefull options |
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| [21:14:11] | clever: | id love to be able to locate -print0 |
| [21:14:36] | Dagmar: | Locate ignores file extentions which makes it pretty damn useless for this |
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| [21:14:48] | opentrinity: | hi |
| [21:15:07] | clever: | Dagmar: if i where to try and locate qnetwork.h it may also find fwefweqnetwork.hnwec |
| [21:15:20] | Dagmar: | Exactly. |
| [21:15:23] | clever: | Dagmar: but you probly just need to give it a regex or something with limits |
| [21:15:31] | Dagmar: | No, you should jsut use find |
| [21:15:34] | clever: | also searching for /qnetwork.h half fixes it |
| [21:15:37] | Dagmar: | You're not using some 1980's MFM disk |
| [21:15:42] | confusi0n: | hi... im having a problem with mythtv... my dvb card works fine in mplayer.. and ive imported my channels.conf file over to myth but despite all my searching and efforts... the signal will not lock in mythtv |
| [21:15:50] | clever: | the path pretty much allways has / before the name;P |
| [21:15:55] | Dagmar: | It's not going to kill you to wait nine seconds for an answer |
| [21:15:59] | confusi0n: | any ideas or pointers would be _great_ |
| [21:16:03] | clever: | Dagmar: find still takes ages to go over my fs... |
| [21:16:21] | Dagmar: | clever: This is why you limit it by telling it to search in /usr or better still /usr/include |
| [21:16:25] | clever: | yeah |
| [21:16:41] | clever: | but it could be /usr/local/include/ |
| [21:16:51] | Dagmar: | If your system is a mess, sure. |
| [21:16:55] | clever: | lol |
| [21:17:06] | clever: | mythtv headers are in there! |
| [21:17:06] | iamlindoro__: | confusi0n, When I have seen that before, I found that looking at the channels.conf and having myth do a scan with the "Tuned Scan" type (where you manually enter the frequencies of the multiplexes prior to the scan) fixes it |
| [21:17:13] | clever: | and the lirc headers! |
| [21:17:31] | clever: | Dagmar: that seems the default for the mythtv headers, so mythtv is making a mess of my system by default:P |
| [21:17:31] | Dagmar: | This is one of the ways in which taking a few moments to actually make a package of something instead of just chucking it slow-pitch with `make install` saves you loads of time later |
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| [21:17:43] | confusi0n: | iamlindoro, i will try it... but im sure i have tried that already. i will try again though |
| [21:17:53] | iamlindoro__: | confusi0n, ir, the channels.conf will give you the frequency (ie 806000000) and the bandwidth (ie 6 Mhz)... setting both of those and leaving everything else as auto usually works |
| [21:17:55] | Dagmar: | clever: No, MythTV is just doing what you told it to do. |
| [21:18:01] | clever: | Dagmar: having the deb/rpm build rules in svn would help greatly for that |
| [21:18:05] | Dagmar: | Over here, the MythTV packages put everything in /usr like I want them. |
| [21:18:10] | clever: | i didnt give a --prefix and it threw it in /usr/local/ |
| [21:18:35] | iamlindoro__: | confusi0n, and, of course, you have to do it for each transport... also make sure you are setting the correct frequency table and modulation type |
| [21:18:59] | Dagmar: | clever: That's the default for pretty much all GNU autoconfed programs... the prefix is automatically set to /usr/local |
| [21:19:04] | iamlindoro__: | probably UK and 8VSB if you are doing DVB-T |
| [21:19:08] | clever: | Dagmar: yeah |
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| [21:19:44] | clever: | Dagmar: if i had the .dev rules file to make a .deb from svn i might be more likely to generate a .deb and install that more properly |
| [21:19:48] | clever: | .deb* |
| [21:20:45] | confusi0n: | iamlindoro, all it will let me put in is the frequency and the symbol rate... i see no entry for bandwidth :( |
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| [21:21:35] | iamlindoro__: | confusion, 6 Mhz is the channel size, as I recall it's in the leftmost column |
| [21:21:46] | iamlindoro__: | confusi0n, at least it's probably 6 Mhz, refer to your channels.conf to be sure |
| [21:22:38] | confusi0n: | thats odd... in myth setup all it asks is f, symbol rate, modulation, inversion, and fec |
| [21:22:53] | confusi0n: | its locked though |
| [21:23:05] | iamlindoro__: | as in, the channel scan locked? |
| [21:23:09] | confusi0n: | on one of the transports |
| [21:23:10] | confusi0n: | yeah |
| [21:23:17] | iamlindoro__: | There you go, so do that for each transport |
| [21:23:21] | confusi0n: | and its scanning a few channels |
| [21:23:23] | iamlindoro__: | and you ought to be set. |
| [21:23:37] | confusi0n: | see... i think this happened last time too... but ill wait and see :) |
| [21:24:02] | iamlindoro__: | of course if a stream is encrypted myth won't play it, so that's something to keep in mind |
| [21:24:32] | iamlindoro__: | But since you said mplayer is playing them that shouldn't be an issue |
| [21:25:31] | confusi0n: | yeah these are just the ftv ones |
| [21:25:45] | confusi0n: | yeah it works in mplayer no problem... thats why i cant understand it |
| [21:25:49] | enhanced: | I wonder if I could do what I want to w/ LinuxMCE |
| [21:26:06] | iamlindoro__: | If what you want is to look at a shit UI, then yes |
| [21:26:36] | confusi0n: | 2008-01–22 21:24:48.384 DVBTuning Warning: Invalid inversion, aborting, falling back to 'auto' |
| [21:26:36] | confusi0n: | 2008-01–22 21:24:48.384 DVBTuning Error: Invalid symbol rate parameter '0', aborting. |
| [21:26:36] | confusi0n: | 2008-01–22 21:24:48.384 DVBChan(1) Error: SetChannelByString(1701): Failed to initialize channel options |
| [21:26:36] | confusi0n: | 2008-01–22 21:24:48.384 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 1701. |
| [21:26:40] | confusi0n: | sorry for the paste |
| [21:26:50] | confusi0n: | but thats all i get... and again no channel :S |
| [21:26:59] | confusi0n: | and the locking error |
| [21:27:06] | confusi0n: | which is so odd |
| [21:27:31] | iamlindoro__: | is this DVB-T, or C? |
| [21:28:03] | enhanced: | iamlindoro__: lol ok |
| [21:28:13] | confusi0n: | dvb-c |
| [21:28:29] | iamlindoro__: | confusi0n, you are running .20.2 and not SVN, right? |
| [21:28:44] | confusi0n: | yeah... .20.2 |
| [21:28:53] | iamlindoro__: | hmmm, wait... this really ought to have been fixed in .20.2... |
| [21:28:55] | iamlindoro__: | hang on a second |
| [21:29:17] | iamlindoro__: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3543 |
| [21:29:30] | confusi0n: | what worries me the most is that in the channel table all the freqid entries are NULL |
| [21:29:36] | iamlindoro__: | But that only addresses the warning, not the error... |
| [21:29:37] | confusi0n: | reading |
| [21:29:56] | Dibblah: | SR can never be 0. |
| [21:30:06] | iamlindoro__: | confusi0n, yeah, sounds like for some reason the correct chaninfo isn't being written into your DB |
| [21:30:23] | confusi0n: | thats what im thinking myself... how can i test? |
| [21:30:27] | Dibblah: | Wait – Is this DVB-S? |
| [21:30:31] | iamlindoro__: | DVB-C |
| [21:30:42] | Dibblah: | Heh. Sorry. |
| [21:30:45] | confusi0n: | can i manually inject the data into the db? |
| [21:30:48] | iamlindoro__: | You can run mythtv-setup with -v all |
| [21:30:55] | iamlindoro__: | and watch the database interaction while you are scanning |
| [21:31:09] | confusi0n: | aye |
| [21:31:14] | confusi0n: | good idea |
| [21:31:22] | confusi0n: | one sec |
| [21:31:29] | iamlindoro__: | it'll all scroll by of course, but can go back and look |
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| [21:32:45] | Torr: | hi I am a myth newbie and have stupid questions to annoy knowlegable people with |
| [21:33:06] | iamlindoro__: | We get a lot of that. |
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| [21:33:14] | Torr: | so you're used to stupid questions |
| [21:33:21] | iamlindoro__: | and how |
| [21:33:42] | fitztrev: | Is it possible to do a bulk delete? I have a lot of recordings I want to get off my hard drive. |
| [21:35:23] | Torr: | I have a pchdtv 5500 and a pvr-250 in a backend (pent 4/ 3 something GHz). I can get one or the other working, but not both. I once got things partially working by first installing a the 5500, then installing the pvr-250 in the mythtv-setup util. I was able to hit 'Y' from the frontend to switch from the 5500 to the 250... |
| [21:35:30] | iamlindoro__: | fitztrev, I've never needed to myself, but you can tag a recording with "/" and there is a popup info menu that may allow you to delete them all at once |
| [21:35:31] | Torr: | and I could watch channels from both, but when I flipped it back to the 5500, the pchdtv part wouldn't work |
| [21:36:01] | confusi0n: | the mplex id goes in but its just inserting NULL for the freqid |
| [21:36:08] | Torr: | Ive been messing with this for days and can't seem to get the pvr-250 working. I've resorted to disabling the pvr-250 until its resolved |
| [21:36:14] | iamlindoro__: | fitztrev, ie tag multiple, then pull up the menu and see if it allows you to delete them |
| [21:36:17] | confusi0n: | 2008-01–22 21:32:22.728 PESPacket: Failed CRC check 0xffffffff != 0x63c2091c for StreamID = 0x72 |
| [21:36:17] | confusi0n: | 2008-01–22 21:32:22.728 Discarding broken PES packet |
| [21:36:24] | confusi0n: | i get that a lot during the scan |
| [21:36:29] | confusi0n: | dunno if that helps |
| [21:36:53] | iamlindoro__: | confusi0n, Hmm, not really... well, I suppose you could do into the db and add the freqid's manually and try it |
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| [21:37:31] | iamlindoro__: | Torr, you need udev rules, otherwise your cards will come up as random /dev/video nodes |
| [21:37:33] | confusi0n: | what will the freqids be though? |
| [21:37:48] | confusi0n: | i dont see them in the verbose output |
| [21:37:59] | iamlindoro__: | confusi0n, presumable that's the frequency, but I don't do DVB |
| [21:38:01] | Torr: | I've done all this without rebooting and the /dev/xxx nodes don't seem to move around between boots, I'm using mythbuntu |
| [21:38:24] | confusi0n: | ah |
| [21:38:25] | iamlindoro__: | Torr, They may have the same names, but they rearrange themselves orderwise |
| [21:38:43] | Torr: | why would they rearrange without rebooting? |
| [21:39:08] | iamlindoro__: | they wouldn't. ah, so you see this between reboots as well, eh? |
| [21:39:23] | iamlindoro__: | In that case it's pretty much impossible to tell what's up without backend logs |
| [21:39:28] | Torr: | I see it without rebooting and same results with rebooting |
| [21:39:43] | iamlindoro__: | Set up both cards, go in, and attempt to change cards, and pastebin backend log. |
| [21:39:54] | Torr: | I see some strange info in dmesg through... |
| [21:39:58] | iamlindoro__: | ie go in to live tv and press Y |
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| [21:40:06] | Torr: | it seems to begin loading cx88, then ivtv, then finish cx88... |
| [21:40:30] | Torr: | ah backend logs.. I forgot to look at those |
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| [21:42:56] | enhanced: | grr |
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| [21:44:38] | confusi0n: | this is really odd |
| [21:44:52] | confusi0n: | everything is null in dtv_multiplexers too |
| [21:44:58] | confusi0n: | theres no data whatsoever |
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| [21:47:36] | iamlindoro__: | confusi0n, I really don't know then. Have no idea why it would behave that way. Myth is pretty sensitive to signal issues, that the CRC error indicates a broken stream. MPlayer may just be more forgiving of it. |
| [21:47:48] | iamlindoro__: | http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies- . . . /765192.html |
| [21:47:55] | iamlindoro__: | That isn't a solution, but it's some further info |
| [21:48:01] | Torr: | am I supposed to blacklist cx88-blackbird cx8800 cx88-dvb in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, and then add cx88-dvb to /etc/modules ??? |
| [21:48:06] | confusi0n: | yeah... im trying from scratch |
| [21:48:32] | iamlindoro__: | holy shit, heath ledger is dead |
| [21:48:51] | jduggan: | srs?? |
| [21:49:06] | iamlindoro__: | yeah |
| [21:50:18] | fryfrog: | Is there a way to list NFS exports from system A that are on system B? |
| [21:50:59] | confusi0n: | nah... even with a fresh database the same thing happens :S |
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| [21:51:26] | iamlindoro__: | fryfrog, you can look at nfsstat -m on the system they are mounted on |
| [21:51:51] | iamlindoro__: | Now the question is, Heath ledger = suicide or Dope? |
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| [21:51:58] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro__: I am (shudder) trying to see if a windows services for unix system is exporting a share :/ |
| [21:52:05] | fryfrog: | guess i'll just have a go, see what happens |
| [21:52:42] | iamlindoro__: | fryfrog, Yeah, no experience with the WSFU |
| [21:52:58] | fryfrog: | me either :/ |
| [21:53:13] | jduggan: | iamlindoro__: apart from wikipedia – where reports heath ledger as dead, i dont see it anywhere |
| [21:53:13] | fryfrog: | neat, it mounted... but no perms. |
| [21:54:09] | iamlindoro__: | jduggan, cnn |
| [21:54:17] | iamlindoro__: | breaking news |
| [21:54:50] | confusi0n: | it could be signal i suppose |
| [21:54:52] | iamlindoro__: | http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/ . . . -found-dead/ |
| [21:55:07] | Torr: | wow its on google news, I checked five minutes ago and it wasn't there, now it is |
| [21:55:31] | clever: | lol |
| [21:55:35] | clever: | whats happening?:P |
| [21:55:38] | sid3windr: | wikipedia already updated :O |
| [21:55:43] | jduggan: | www.cnn.com |
| [21:55:47] | clever: | watching old recordings on myth has the result of news lag:P |
| [21:55:57] | clever: | even if they did interupt my show i wouldnt see it for a day or 2 |
| [21:56:25] | enhanced: | lol I brokaded it well |
| [21:56:26] | Torr: | yeah, well how does it effect your life if you find out an actor is dead now or two days from now? |
| [21:56:32] | enhanced: | sigh |
| [21:56:35] | iamlindoro__: | And today was his birthday... I call suicide. |
| [21:56:40] | sid3windr: | enhanced: you brokebacked it? :p |
| [21:56:44] | clever: | lol |
| [21:56:47] | confusi0n: | how can i check signal? lol |
| [21:56:47] | enhanced: | sid3windr: lol |
| [21:56:59] | clever: | Torr: depends which actor:P |
| [21:57:08] | enhanced: | sid3windr: if it doesn't straighten up..I* might |
| [21:57:09] | Torr: | I would kill myself if I starred in that movie too |
| [22:01:07] | dougl: | does anyone run mythtv (frontend) on leopard? |
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| [22:03:58] | enhanced: | iamlindoro__: what is the damn directive |
| [22:04:00] | enhanced: | http://pastebin.com/m2fcd1956 |
| [22:04:11] | enhanced: | the files are located at /usr/lib/qt-3.3/include |
| [22:04:15] | enhanced: | the headers that is |
| [22:04:24] | enhanced: | but nothing that I feed it is working haha |
| [22:05:22] | enhanced: | --libdir-name=" /usr/lib/qt-3.3/include /usr/lib /usr/local/lib" |
| [22:05:39] | iamlindoro__: | no idea, never had to explicitly state it myself, you could just add it manually to CONFIG_INCLUDEPATH= in configure |
| [22:06:03] | enhanced: | yeah, gonna have to I think |
| [22:06:04] | enhanced: | lol |
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| [22:10:28] | enhanced: | new errors now ;-) |
| [22:10:32] | enhanced: | /bin/sh: line 0: cd: /src/moc: No such file or directory |
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| [22:43:55] | rinaldi_: | hi i set a program to record earlier and it finished 30 mins ago. however when i go to view my recording through the frontend via media library > watch recordings i can only see a few of my previous recordings. the program i recorded is definitly in var/lib/mythtv/recordings . is there anything i have missed out? the prgram is also displayed in "previously recorded" |
| [22:44:14] | iamlindoro__: | Press M, change filter to all |
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| [22:45:11] | rinaldi_: | iamlindoro__: wow worked. thanks a lot! never realised it was set to genres |
| [22:45:18] | iamlindoro__: | np |
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| [22:45:56] | iamlindoro__: | Ah. I like that. No fuss, no muss, no argument about anything. Just problem, solution, bam. |
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| [22:48:51] | enhanced: | hehe those are the best |
| [22:48:59] | enhanced: | meanwhile, I am still pissing with QT |
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| [23:01:43] | confusi0n: | anyone yet have any idea why the scanning on my mythtv-setup leaves all the important db fields as NULL, while it works in mplayer no problem? |
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| [23:19:10] | tzanger: | hello, what does "this program does not match the current program listings" mean in mythweb's upcoming recordings? |
| [23:19:52] | xris: | huh? |
| [23:20:28] | Tanthrix: | I've seen that before. It's not a mythweb specific thing though, for the record. |
| [23:20:29] | xris: | is it something that isn't going to record? |
| [23:20:39] | xris: | I probably copy/pasted that string from the backend's definition for the reason why it won't record |
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| [23:21:04] | tzanger: | xris: correct. It's not saying the show's already been recorded, or is inactive, or that there are too many episodes already recorded, those are all notes that I understand |
| [23:21:49] | Tanthrix: | tzanger: Is it for a program that you've specified to record at specific time? (IE, "this timeslot weekly/daily/whatever) |
| [23:21:55] | alexvd: | hey anyone know if michael t dean ever comes to this channel? |
| [23:22:07] | xris: | don't think I've seen him here |
| [23:22:31] | xris: | actually.. I think he goes by sphery here, and he's in the channel |
| [23:22:41] | tzanger: | Tanthrix: good question, checking |
| [23:22:46] | alexvd: | xris: thanks |
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| [23:23:19] | tzanger: | Tanthrix: that's exactly correct, changing |
| [23:23:56] | Tanthrix: | tzanger: It basically means that whatever show is supposed to be on then isn't for some reason (maybe a special) |
| [23:24:04] | Tanthrix: | I think, anyway. |
| [23:24:12] | tzanger: | Tanthrix: gotcha. |
| [23:24:28] | tzanger: | I'm still trying to figure out why the "record once" schedules don't go away once they've bene recorded |
| [23:24:49] | alexvd: | xris: I have an old box as my backend with only 256 megs of memory. Mythweb is really slow. Any tips to speed it up. It is so slow that I doesnt update the status when I schedule a recording until i manually refresh |
| [23:25:20] | tzanger: | alexvd: add 2x swap? It'll still be slow but it should work :-) |
| [23:25:33] | Tanthrix: | I've got a weirder issue that I'm certain is a bug. If I check in the "upcoming recordings" for a few shows I get "O – recording other showing" or some such thing, yet if I look in upcoming recordings they are set to record |
| [23:25:48] | Tanthrix: | I think it might have something to do with the new channel data caching feature which I'm using |
| [23:25:58] | alexvd: | tzanger: my swap is like like 10gig |
| [23:26:39] | xris: | alexvd: not much to say there... the scheduler query can take 10–30 seconds on a fast machine. mythweb won't get updates from the backend until it's done checking that for changes |
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| [23:27:42] | alexvd: | xris: ok but its slow everywhere even just to load initially. I have the bookmark start at the listings section and thus it has to wait for the listings to download |
| [23:28:13] | xris: | yup. if you only have 256 megs of RAM, I'm not surprised. |
| [23:28:24] | xris: | you could try turning on mod_deflate/mod_gzip |
| [23:28:45] | Tanthrix: | alexvd: Upgrade your memory. Ram is dirt cheap these days. |
| [23:28:57] | xris: | can grab the apache conf file from svn and use it to replace .htaccess in 0.20.x.. it's about the only thing in svn that should work seamlessly with older versions |
| [23:29:11] | xris: | but yeah. 512M for $20 or so, or less |
| [23:29:13] | tzanger: | alexvd: that's a little... excessive |
| [23:29:17] | alexvd: | tanthrix: stupid box has rdram |
| [23:29:26] | tzanger: | I've never put more than 2xram for swap |
| [23:29:29] | tzanger: | and even that was excessive |
| [23:29:35] | alexvd: | find me rdram pc 800 for 20 bucks |
| [23:30:08] | tzanger: | xris: I'm not a mythweb expert, but I'd LOVE to see where you are storing the various sql queries for things like upcoming recordings and so on |
| [23:30:11] | tzanger: | I can't find the sql statements |
| [23:30:21] | xris: | tzanger: I'm not. it gets that from the backend |
| [23:30:35] | Tanthrix: | alexvd: http://cgi.ebay.com/SAMSUNG-512MB-600-53-16-R . . . cmdZViewItem <--Isn't it backwards compatible with 600? |
| [23:30:43] | iamlindoro__: | alexvd, As much as nobody here is your personal google, there's tons for under 20 on ebay |
| [23:31:14] | ** xris has a 2.8Ghz pentium D BTX machine for sale if anyone needs an upgrade, too. :) ** | |
| [23:31:15] | tzanger: | xris: howso? |
| [23:31:28] | xris: | tzanger: mythweb asks the backend for the list of upcoming recordings. backend sends it. |
| [23:31:38] | tzanger: | xris: ahh |
| [23:31:42] | tzanger: | okay |
| [23:31:48] | xris: | that list isn't pulled straight from sql. it's built from a couple of different queries (at least) |
| [23:31:51] | tzanger: | what about things like listings and scheduler info? |
| [23:32:03] | tzanger: | same idea? |
| [23:32:18] | alexvd: | iamlindoro: easy i did check |
| [23:32:54] | iamlindoro__: | ok, so why "find me rdram pc 800 for 20 bucks?" 512 for 18.95 buy it now, right there... |
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| [23:33:38] | Tanthrix: | I'm not seeing it. Cheapest for 512 at 800 is 32 |
| [23:33:44] | xris: | listings come straight from sql... |
| [23:33:47] | Tanthrix: | With 12 shipping. |
| [23:33:51] | alexvd: | iamlindoro: geez no need to get the panties in a bunch I was looking and I could not find it that cheap. |
| [23:33:52] | portahex: | why is anyone using rambus? |
| [23:33:57] | portahex: | 2 gig of ddr2 is 30 quid |
| [23:34:04] | alexvd: | ugghhhh |
| [23:34:23] | alexvd: | ok shamed into buying new hardware..... |
| [23:34:36] | iamlindoro__: | Tanthrix, http://cgi.ebay.com/Samsung-Dell-512MB-8x-64M . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [23:34:46] | iamlindoro__: | Tanthrix, Granted it's 8 Dimms worth ;) |
| [23:35:17] | alexvd: | I can only do two sticks on this board |
| [23:35:34] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: I rest my case. ;) |
| [23:35:39] | alexvd: | all sorry to bother will check thank you tanthrix |
| [23:35:50] | Tanthrix: | Still, there's no reason not to do the 600 speed that I found earlier, assuming they are backwards compatible. |
| [23:36:19] | alexvd: | Tanthrix: yes I am checking to see if i can right now |
| [23:36:33] | iamlindoro__: | Tanthrix, nobody specified a number of DIMMS. :) |
| [23:36:41] | iamlindoro__: | Just a price and a size |
| [23:37:04] | iamlindoro__: | Anyway, there's about 200 auctions at 99 cents that will neveer get to $20 on 2 x 256 |
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| [23:37:12] | tzanger: | xris: what about search results? there's a long-standing "bug" (not sure if it is or not) where searching for categorie match "movies" gives me movies all right, but a particular movie may be listed eight or nine times... each one will say "demolition man" (or whatever) and if it's on multiple channels on multiple days at multiple times, it'll show that in one line, but then later on it'll show it again with different days... |
| [23:37:39] | iamlindoro__: | http://cgi.ebay.com/Samsung-PC800-256MB-2X-12 . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [23:37:43] | iamlindoro__: | Snipe that one in three hours |
| [23:38:54] | xris: | tzanger: not a bug. depends on how you choose to sort |
| [23:39:04] | xris: | it groups and sorts at the same time |
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| [23:39:30] | xris: | the bug is in how it creates links for the stuff that groups... it's not consistent |
| [23:39:54] | tanner: | has anyone had luck using Xen and MythTV? |
| [23:39:57] | alexvd: | iamlindoro: that is 256, that is what i have right now. Might as well go for 1gig |
| [23:40:17] | fedorared: | Any way to get mytharchive to make a DVD with a more descriptive label than 'MythTV BurnDVD' ? Apparently it's coded into mythburn.py |
| [23:40:40] | tzanger: | xris: hmm, okay I'll see if I can't mangle that |
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| [23:41:53] | tanner: | has anyone created a plugin/script to handle HD media (HD DVD, Blu Ray) for MythTV? |
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| [23:42:14] | enhanced: | cannot find -lXv |
| [23:43:21] | Tanthrix: | tanner: Check the wiki. |
| [23:43:32] | enhanced: | wth is lXv lol |
| [23:43:33] | enhanced: | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXv |
| [23:43:57] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: What is your thing titled? I can't seem to find it searching by bluray or hddvd |
| [23:44:25] | Tanthrix: | Here we go. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/High_Def . . . Disk_Formats |
| [23:44:49] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: You need to make a redirect page for "Playing back HD-DVD and Bluray" otherwise people will never find your so nicely done article ;) |
| [23:46:15] | tanner: | i dont suppose a quad core would have much problem playing the HD content? |
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| [23:46:47] | a1fa: | wooooo.. i put 7600GS into my mythtv frontend |
| [23:46:49] | enhanced: | GreyFoxx: ping |
| [23:47:08] | a1fa: | it does 1920x1080 |
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| [23:47:18] | ** Pryon is running the same card on his frontend (which is also his backend) ** | |
| [23:47:20] | a1fa: | whats the bennefit of 1920x1080? |
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| [23:48:14] | tanner: | a1fa: thats 1080p resolution |
| [23:48:42] | a1fa: | so i am running frontend in 1080i |
| [23:48:49] | a1fa: | whats the bennefit of doing that? |
| [23:49:24] | a1fa: | ...? |
| [23:49:27] | tanner: | ? |
| [23:49:40] | tanner: | i assume your front end is a computer with a video card |
| [23:49:45] | a1fa: | yes |
| [23:49:58] | tanner: | then it should be putting out progressive not interlaced |
| [23:50:12] | a1fa: | tv only does i |
| [23:50:14] | CCFL_Man2: | how is the crapple dvi to tv adapter for use with a mac mini? |
| [23:50:28] | a1fa: | CCFL_Man2 : 720p max |
| [23:50:32] | CCFL_Man2: | produce a decent picture? |
| [23:50:34] | tanner: | a1fa: tube television? |
| [23:50:42] | a1fa: | tanner : CRT |
| [23:51:04] | tanner: | ah.. well 1080 just gives you higher resolution, which in media that is produced like that has a better picture |
| [23:51:13] | tanner: | though the scaling can make smaller media look worse :P |
| [23:51:23] | a1fa: | what media? |
| [23:51:29] | tanner: | whatever you're watching |
| [23:51:37] | a1fa: | livetv is 640x480 |
| [23:51:43] | a1fa: | ;) |
| [23:51:54] | a1fa: | fronted is 1080i |
| [23:52:02] | tanner: | indeed |
| [23:52:35] | a1fa: | i dont see the point of running the frontend that high |
| [23:52:56] | a1fa: | unless anyone knows something i dont |
| [23:53:00] | tanner: | then don't. unless you are running HD content its not giving you any benefit |
| [23:53:11] | a1fa: | back to 720p |
| [23:53:46] | tanner: | i plan on running my server at 1080p because i want to experience HD DVD/Blu Ray =) |
| [23:53:55] | a1fa: | hm |
| [23:54:00] | a1fa: | here is the deal dude, |
| [23:54:09] | a1fa: | you dont need to run the frontend at that size |
| [23:54:43] | a1fa: | unless i am mistaking |
| [23:55:01] | tanner: | well given the content of HD media would be 1080p, running it less than that would defeat the point =) |
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| [23:56:03] | a1fa: | my point is |
| [23:56:08] | a1fa: | it would scale to 1080p |
| [23:56:28] | tanner: | native resolution of the content is 1080p |
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| [23:56:43] | CCFL_Man2: | dammit why do i want a crapple tv? |
| [23:56:55] | CCFL_Man2: | the damn thing is useless |
| [23:56:59] | tanner: | i.e: Stream #0.0[0xfd55]: Video: vc1, yuv420p, 1920x1080 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 29.97 tb(r) |
| [23:57:24] | a1fa: | CCFL_Man2 : corrext |
| [23:57:27] | a1fa: | correct |
| [23:57:29] | a1fa: | heh |
| [23:57:41] | a1fa: | tanner : i know.. but frontend doesnt need to be in 1080p |
| [23:57:49] | a1fa: | the viewer will be at 1080p |
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| [23:58:34] | code-er: | ok im trying to tune a DVB |
| [23:58:45] | code-er: | im getting asignal of 5c00 and snr of a340 or so |
| [23:58:46] | tanner: | in order for the TV to show the 1080p, the frontend/client must output 1920x1080 resolution to the TV |
| [23:58:49] | code-er: | what does that mean |
| [23:59:05] | a1fa: | o rlly? |
| [23:59:33] | CCFL_Man2: | a1fa: i want it as a myth frontend though |
| [23:59:42] | a1fa: | CCFL_Man2 : do you have a nice tv? |
| [23:59:50] | a1fa: | if you have crappy tv, use crapple |
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