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Monday, January 21st, 2008, 00:00 UTC
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[00:00:57] siXy: i really like the idea of having the 1 2 3 4 buttons down the side rather than along the bottom in the music playback screen
[00:01:20] justinh: I really like the idea of not having the 1 2 3 4 buttons at all :)
[00:01:33] siXy: yeah, that would be better still :)
[00:01:52] defaultro: sixy, i saw mythxface the other day. Problem is, it's only spanish
[00:02:27] justinh: it's hosted on megauploads.com too. weird choice. and it's not finished yet. still loads of blootube-wide left over in the tarball :P
[00:02:48] defaultro: what's hosted at megauploads?
[00:02:57] justinh: tempted to email the guy & offer him some tips to save hassle & stuff
[00:03:12] siXy: justinh: he may not speak english
[00:03:14] justinh: defaultro: this new xface theme. mediaportal skin port (yeah another one)
[00:03:29] defaultro: ah, this is the one we were talking yesterday
[00:03:29] justinh: siXy: ok then. I'll patch it & send it to him
[00:03:35] defaultro: i remember you mentioned mp
[00:03:48] defaultro: you also mentioned it was MCE and you corrected it :)
[00:03:55] justinh: on balance I think it's way better than my first effort
[00:04:09] justinh: not perfect but then I don't know any theme that is
[00:04:14] defaultro: so i someone writing an english port?
[00:04:23] siXy: well, art can never be perfect
[00:04:36] portahex: sure it can!
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[00:04:46] justinh: defaultro: the filenames are spanish. embedded menu text is english. everything else should be fine
[00:04:49] portahex: games are art, and you can write the perfect game!
[00:04:57] defaultro: oh
[00:05:07] defaultro: that means, i can try and extract it. Correct?
[00:05:32] justinh: yeah. I've yet to see it on a live frontend. I see with a text editor & graphics package
[00:05:50] justinh: your world looks like what the Predator sees to me
[00:05:59] siXy: heh :)
[00:06:04] defaultro: :) i'll try it
[00:06:23] justinh: wait 60 secs for the download. be patient. man those services are evil!
[00:06:42] defaultro: yyou said from here correct, http://www.megauploads.com/
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[00:07:05] justinh: the link is well hidden on the website. not megauploads.com. they host the _file_
[00:07:12] siXy: http://www.antiscreeners.com/wiki/mythtv/MythXFace
[00:07:16] siXy: linky there
[00:07:19] defaultro: ok
[00:07:34] defaultro: i was there yesterday but the top menus are dea
[00:07:35] defaultro: d
[00:09:22] portahex: i can't find a king richard flag. i blame iamlindoro
[00:10:25] justinh: eesh. no further comment but I hope he doesn't give up
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[00:11:34] justinh: that mythvideo browse mode with the dvd cover overlay. that works brilliantly!
[00:11:39] TelnetManta: Can anyone tell me a quick way to fix a dvd that plays the audio out of sync in myth?
[00:12:11] siXy: well, it be bedtime
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[00:12:30] justinh: oh that nasty font in the music play screen isn't embedded after all
[00:14:14] justinh: it sure beats leafers-wide anyway! :D
[00:14:42] justinh: I think I'll refrain from sending some 'helpful hints'.. I know how I'd take them
[00:15:45] defaultro: it's more than 60 seconds and nothing has come up yet
[00:16:19] TelnetManta: anyone?
[00:16:24] TelnetManta: Can anyone tell me a quick way to fix a dvd that plays the audio out of sync in myth?
[00:16:52] justinh: defaultro: I can put it on my webspace if you want
[00:17:30] defaultro: sure please
[00:17:34] defaultro: just pm me
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[00:17:57] justinh: sure thang
[00:17:59] portahex: defaultro, look harder, the download lin k on those megaupload pages is well hidden
[00:18:07] defaultro: ok
[00:18:09] defaultro: :D
[00:18:12] defaultro: let me try again
[00:19:36] iamlindoro_: I just took a look at it... it really isn't half bad, but the watch recordings page need a tiny bit of tweaking
[00:19:56] iamlindoro_: Title font is off-white, on the white background
[00:20:09] iamlindoro_: It's readable, but only barely
[00:20:54] iamlindoro_: It need a place to put the clock, perhaps he isn't working with SVN right now, but otherwise, it's really pretty okay looking
[00:21:29] iamlindoro_: The clock is white text on white background in the lower left corner, I believe
[00:21:30] javatexan: okay....so If I nice 5 mencoder .... in my sh script that should lower the priority and allow mplayer or myth in general to interrupt the mencoder process without completely starving it too....right?
[00:21:37] iamlindoro_: but you'd never know it from looking at it :)
[00:22:12] justinh: I'm not even going to start on what I think needs a tweak
[00:23:17] Icekiller: nobody who can tell me how to remove mythvideo?
[00:23:25] justinh: Icekiller: what distro?
[00:23:29] Icekiller: Debian
[00:24:04] justinh: sudo apt-get remove mythvideo
[00:24:18] javatexan: right now it looks like mencoder and mplayer nice is 0, so that should move it just enough I am guessing
[00:24:20] justinh: sudo apt-get remove packagename, like your distro's fine manual says
[00:24:20] Icekiller: didn't install it thro apt get
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[00:24:28] justinh: Icekiller: so how did you?
[00:24:52] Icekiller: euh downloaded myth tar.gz and went to mythplugins ./configure qmake ... make install
[00:24:59] justinh: if you installed it from source, you can just delete the binaries
[00:25:09] iamlindoro_: I suppose one could rename /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythvideo.so
[00:25:39] Icekiller: i already deleted the so from that folder
[00:25:43] Icekiller: but it still says:
[00:26:00] iamlindoro_: or make uninstall, even :)
[00:26:24] Icekiller: regestering internal as media playback plugin and then it crashes ><
[00:26:32] justinh: make uninstall, then configure with --disable-NAMEOFPLUGIN (gleaned from --help)
[00:26:33] defaultro: IceKiller, IIRC, the first thing you need to install is mythtv, followed by plugins and so on
[00:26:47] Icekiller: defaultro mythtv worked.. and then i installed the plugins..
[00:26:52] Icekiller: and now its b0rked ;)
[00:27:01] defaultro: like what theysaid, uninstall it
[00:27:19] Icekiller: yip was just doing that
[00:27:21] Icekiller: works again :) ty
[00:27:27] defaultro: working now?
[00:27:40] Icekiller: yes ty :)
[00:27:42] defaultro: BAM
[00:28:00] squish102: what is the best way to use mythrename.pl ? after every recording, or scedule to run nightly?
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[00:28:28] defaultro: what is the next version of mythtv? would there be many eye-candy?
[00:30:06] iamlindoro_: .20 plus one... carry the one....
[00:30:12] javatexan: lol
[00:30:19] ** iamlindoro_ gets out a sheet of paper and gets to work **
[00:30:22] justinh: defaultro: probably not. depends on how much more work gets done on mythui
[00:30:28] javatexan: so that is 1.20....right?
[00:30:31] justinh: 0.21 will be the next version
[00:30:41] javatexan: ;)
[00:30:51] justinh: and it'll be released in time for....
[00:31:08] justinh: thanksgiving, 2009
[00:31:21] javatexan: LOL
[00:31:35] justinh: or 2010. see how it goes eh?
[00:31:44] portahex: hm, there are lots of templars about here. i blame iamlindoro again
[00:32:04] iamlindoro_: I predict it will beat Duke Nukem Forever to market
[00:32:13] javatexan: my brother likes microsoft MCE...so I want to start helping out Mythtv.....hes pretty much a lamb and it pisses me off!
[00:32:27] jedix: how do I recover the database again?
[00:32:39] CCFL_Man2: javatexan: what does he use it with? analog cable?
[00:32:40] iamlindoro_: portahex: Yes, they asked if I had been a guy armed to the teeth in a bathrobe... I pointed them in your direction
[00:33:12] iamlindoro_: er had seen
[00:33:47] javatexan: i have no idea...but I showed him my setup and told him I would help him with his and he refused and put MCE on the computer and calls me to help out when it doesn't work....make me mad...I am still learning too
[00:34:14] javatexan: he is convinced that he NEEDS it with his Xbox
[00:34:18] defaultro: man, i've been waiting for this ffmpeg to finish. It's been running for almost 16 hours now
[00:34:20] javatexan: i laughed
[00:34:24] jedix: hrm
[00:34:31] justinh: jedix: to restore a backup? depends on how you make the backup
[00:34:33] javatexan: defaultro ouch
[00:34:37] CCFL_Man2: xbox ftl
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[00:34:49] defaultro: javatexan, yep. That's why I can't use my mythbox :)
[00:34:53] jedix: justinh: just fix the channel stuff.. it was a command I believe you told me before
[00:35:01] defaultro: 20,000 frames remaining and it's done
[00:35:08] iamlindoro_: Hey, zealotry aside, lots of fun games on the 360
[00:35:15] jedix: I get a db error.. so I need to run some command to fix it so mythfilldatabase works
[00:35:30] defaultro: javatexan, it's like this right now. frame=204896 fps= 4 q=22.0 size= 713887kB time=3406.2 bitrate=1716.9kbits/s
[00:35:37] jedix: "Table './mythconverg/program' is marked as crashed and should be repaired"
[00:35:46] javatexan: wow...what processor, etc
[00:35:54] justinh: jedix: ahhhh. mysqlcheck is what you need
[00:35:56] defaultro: just 3000 athlon 64
[00:35:57] iamlindoro_: mysqlcheck -r -uwhatever -pwhatever mythconverg
[00:36:17] jedix: cool
[00:36:19] jedix: thanks guys
[00:36:26] javatexan: wow...that is a long time....but it looks like a pretty big file too though
[00:37:08] jedix: 4fps with 204896... holy
[00:37:53] javatexan: i had to use mencoder instead...ouch...have to wait to figure out how to compile it on my machine....I was so close with mencoder so I finished it, I was already 120 files behind for transcoding...ouch. Had to get somethin going
[00:38:02] iamlindoro_: someone forgot to set/is unable to get threads= I guess :)
[00:38:13] javatexan: mencoder is pretty fast, but it has its oddities too
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[00:39:56] JoeyJoeJo: D
[00:39:57] JoeyJoeJo: Does anyone know of a good HTPC case with a linux compatible LCD or VFD on the front?
[00:40:13] iamlindoro_: Antec Fusion, Zalman HD 160, etc, etc
[00:40:22] iamlindoro_: iMon anything...
[00:40:41] javatexan: ill get ffmpeg compiled on a VM this week and then repeat process on the 'production' server
[00:42:34] CCFL_Man2: JoeyJoeJo: you listen to Bocci Alley?
[00:44:21] JoeyJoeJo: CCFL_Man2: nope, never heard of him
[00:44:59] CCFL_Man2: JoeyJoeJo: ahh, you are not the guy i thought you were then
[00:45:09] CCFL_Man2: btw, a cool looking case
[00:45:24] CCFL_Man2: http://www.monshopper.com/shop/index.php
[00:45:38] CCFL_Man2: super cool, actually
[00:46:14] javatexan: cool but too rich for my blood
[00:46:27] CCFL_Man2: they are expensive
[00:46:32] CCFL_Man2: but so sexy
[00:46:49] JoeyJoeJo: agreed, super cool but way to expensive
[00:47:16] javatexan: only sexy if you are still a bachelor....my wife would kill me for something like this... ;)
[00:48:02] CCFL_Man2: javatexan: never let the wife get inbetween hobbies
[00:49:07] javatexan: are you nuts??? A wife can make your life fun or hell the choice unfortunately is usually yours....choose wisely my friend....wisely..
[00:49:21] TelnetManta: Can anyone tell me a quick way to fix a dvd that plays the audio out of sync in myth? Can I pass a command to delay the audio?
[00:49:23] javatexan: or get a big bonus
[00:49:42] javatexan: which player?
[00:49:42] CCFL_Man2: the wife needs to be understanding
[00:50:03] TelnetManta: ive tried internal, mplayer and xine
[00:50:06] javatexan: she is...she lets me work on computers all day long and come home and work on computers all night
[00:50:12] javatexan: ;)
[00:51:11] jams: TelnetManta- the osd menu for the internal player lets you adjust the audio sync
[00:51:15] squish102: what is a good tool to convert my DVD's to xvid? windows or linux
[00:51:35] squish102: i heard autoGK on windows was good
[00:51:42] justinh: wooyeah. I've got a spiffy new thing for dvd covers in themes
[00:52:07] TelnetManta: jams: Ah? I'll try that. Need to lookup the commands then as I use a remote
[00:52:30] portahex: avidemux is a great linux transcoder
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[00:53:22] iamlindoro_: squish102: Handbrake is great on Mac and Windows
[00:53:50] _banyan: It's kind of amusing that the direction of ports in the A/V area seems fairly often to be *nix -> Windows
[00:53:51] squish102: ok thanks iamlindoro_, im still on the transcode crusade
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[00:54:12] CCFL_Man2: dammit why do these idiots sell digital cable boxes on ebay?
[00:54:19] squish102: and still trying to run your script iamlindoro_ ;)
[00:54:25] iamlindoro_: squish102: Heh
[00:54:33] iamlindoro_: CCFL_Man2: Because bigger idiots buy them
[00:54:48] squish102: iamlindoro_ transcode to x264
[00:55:15] squish102: now im looking for one that does xvid as my dlink dsm-320 does not handle x264 :(
[00:55:34] iamlindoro_: squish102: Steve adeff's xvid script works well
[00:56:07] javatexan: iamlindoro_ did you pastebin your ffmpeg script?
[00:56:18] squish102: any idea how i find his script?
[00:56:38] iamlindoro_: squish102: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Steveadeff
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[00:57:12] CCFL_Man2: iamlindoro_: just boggles my mind how much of them you see on ebay and how useless they are
[00:57:13] squish102: thanks
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[00:58:18] _banyan: I don't know how many people use the atrpms packages for myth, but how far are they behind the svn?
[00:58:38] defaultro: <jedix> 4fps with 204896... holy. Looks like I need to upgrade my cpu.
[00:58:40] iamlindoro_: javatexan: Here it is. Requires fairly up to date ffmpeg to work.. I am told Ubuntu standard ffmpeg won't work, but compiling SVN will work properly with this: http://rafb.net/p/p2BKuW50.html
[00:59:03] _banyan: I was (rather nastily) told that a bug I filed against mytharchive was already fixed in svn and so I figured it really would be fixed in the next package update, but no.
[00:59:09] iamlindoro_: javatexan: I use my own compiled fmpeg with it, works great. Everything should be pretty obvious from reading the comments
[00:59:40] iamlindoro_: _banyan: I'm sure they're just the last version, which would put them five or so months behind
[00:59:49] _banyan: ohhh.
[01:00:00] iamlindoro_: _banyan: And I wouldn't expect them to get updated until .21 is released
[01:00:14] javatexan: awesome...I will be fixing ffmpeg this week. Mencoder is okay, but cryptic for most things....although it is fun to listen to gurus argue about how it should work...LOL
[01:00:59] _banyan: The only thing that holds me back from using the svn of mytharchive is I am not sure what it all requires now. It looks like the mythburn script has some new dependencies that won't automatically get pulled in of course.
[01:01:09] CCFL_Man2: iamlindoro_: seems like most dvb-s cards have their problems in mythtv
[01:01:15] iamlindoro_: javatexan: All I know is this is the only thing I know results in a perfect 1.07 GB x.264/AAC (per hour) file every single time... it's what I run on all my archived stuff from TV
[01:01:18] iamlindoro_: CCFL_Man2: Such as?
[01:01:36] CCFL_Man2: iamlindoro_: twinhan cards have eeprom issues
[01:01:42] iamlindoro_: _banyan: Well, you can't get SVN of one thing without upgrading your entire myth install
[01:01:50] justinh: twinhan cards. pfft. they have issues full stop
[01:01:58] iamlindoro_: CCFL_Man2: twinhan cards are cheap, get a proper WinTV Nexus
[01:01:59] CCFL_Man2: iamlindoro_: i am looking for one thats pretty dependable
[01:02:08] _banyan: yeah, that's the main thing holding me back. If I did that, I'd be on the 'bleeding edge'.
[01:02:19] iamlindoro_: WinTV Nexus-S, works every time
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[01:02:38] javatexan: sounds good. I have mencoder working okay....but it dawgs my system when the kids are trying to do playback...I need a pci-e card with a couple of quad cores on it... LOL :)
[01:02:46] CCFL_Man2: iamlindoro_: they sold in the US?
[01:02:51] iamlindoro_: CCFL_Man2: Yep
[01:03:00] iamlindoro_: Got one in my myth box, never an issue
[01:03:12] iamlindoro_: $75 or so on Amazon
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[01:03:57] squish102: iamlindoro_ u talking about his HR.HDTV script?
[01:04:27] iamlindoro_: squish102: yes
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[01:05:50] _banyan: how fundamentally does doing hd capture change using myth?
[01:05:58] _banyan: vs. standard tv?
[01:07:10] iamlindoro_: Not much. Playback is a larger issue (discounting dealing with difficulties of getting an unencrypted signal in the first place).
[01:08:09] _banyan: has anyone braved the wrath of the DMCA by coming up with a decrypt algorithm?
[01:09:18] iamlindoro_: Not for Cable TV... I doubt we will see that, especially since the new Hauppauge capture box will allow us to capture from the component out of HD boxes, and that will be good enough for 99% of people
[01:10:15] justinh: _banyan: easy for you to say 'braved the wrath' it's not you who would be going to prison for life or worse
[01:10:48] _banyan: It would have to be done by some guy in Norway I guess.  :-)
[01:11:04] justinh: if the RIAA think nothing of making examples of 7 year old kids...
[01:11:23] _banyan: really? 7 year old?
[01:11:23] justinh: _banyan: if dvd jon did what he did then under the DMCA, he'd have been properly screwed
[01:11:51] _banyan: even as a non US national?
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[01:12:02] justinh: _banyan: didn't they try to extradite him?
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[01:12:19] _banyan: Would the Norwegians ever agree to that?
[01:12:33] justinh: doubt it but that was a good while ago now
[01:12:33] iamlindoro_: All these questions answered by questions...
[01:12:53] portahex: right, 24 king richard flags and 6 templars. that's enopugh for tonight
[01:14:09] justinh: _banyan: yeh they did try to get him tried in the US. they weren't having it in norway though
[01:14:34] rooaus: justinh: Do you use a tablet (peripheral not medication)?
[01:14:36] _banyan: Once sanity returns to America a lot of things will be better I hope.
[01:14:50] GreyFoxx: Do you think it will ?
[01:14:54] _banyan: I want a tablet but wow, they're expensive.
[01:15:16] GreyFoxx: that slope has been getting steeper and slipperier every day
[01:15:39] _banyan: Otherwise the proverbial USS USA will capsize.
[01:15:42] justinh: rooaus: I bought a graphics tablet a while back. no use for theme work whatsoever
[01:16:13] kdubya: you mean you dont freehand the entire theme?
[01:16:26] justinh: rooaus: for 'real' painting I suspect it'd be great. haven't done any of that since I was pulling art class A grades when I was 14
[01:16:32] _banyan: Stagflation, immense debt, worthless currency, embroiled in inextricable military quagmires too numerous to count. It would be an ugly picture.
[01:16:35] justinh: </showboat>
[01:17:05] ** justinh deflates the showboating by pointing out he only got an E in the actual exam **
[01:17:09] _banyan: Can you just use the tablet as a plain old mouse?
[01:17:19] justinh: _banyan: yeah but it's a PITA
[01:17:37] ** _banyan is imagining Peter Griffin singing shibooty on a football field. **
[01:17:43] rooaus: I was looking to do some photo touchup of old family photos and wondered the Wacom stuff was any good.
[01:17:59] kdubya: wacom is the only company that makes tablets
[01:18:10] justinh: rooaus: PSP 9 & its clone brush works wonders. takes forever but man it's rewarding
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[01:18:11] kdubya: as far as anyone looking to buy one should be concenred
[01:18:45] rooaus: kdubya: Thanks :)
[01:18:49] justinh: forget about photoshop. its non-100% image rendering is ropey to say the least
[01:19:18] justinh: how they've got away with that for so long I'll never know
[01:19:27] kdubya: heh
[01:19:38] rooaus: justinh: Yeah, I think the folks would be stoked if we can fix up some of the old photos.
[01:19:40] kdubya: probably shouldnt FORGET about photoshop
[01:19:53] _banyan: I want a stationary pointing device that's wireless — a trackball or tablet or something.
[01:20:05] justinh: kdubya: PSP 9 can do everything photoshop can apart from the print output handling stuff
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[01:20:14] kdubya: yeah
[01:20:16] kdubya: so can gimp
[01:20:27] justinh: and domestic peeps don't have to CMYK & halftone
[01:20:27] kdubya: but there is still a reason photoshop is the most popular
[01:20:36] rooaus: Bring out the GIMP!
[01:20:53] justinh: gimp made a big mistake. they made it as usable as photoshop
[01:21:01] justinh: hence – I can't use it
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[01:21:17] squish102: i wish there was a standard tool that would give u info in a standard format about a mpeg stream :(
[01:21:20] _banyan: I like gimp's capability but it's hard to use.
[01:21:24] kdubya: the only one i really know is photoshop
[01:21:26] CCFL_Man2: iamlindoro_: you have the nova-s pci?
[01:21:30] kdubya: gimp just pisses me off
[01:21:42] justinh: if by 'retouching' you mean adjusting the brightness & contrast, ulead photo editor ftw :P
[01:21:51] iamlindoro_: CCFL_Man2: Yes
[01:21:54] _banyan: I have actually sometimes reverted to ms paint...
[01:22:00] rooaus: I have wasted many hours trying to do something in gimp, sometimes I am too stubborn for my own good.
[01:22:01] justinh: squish102: ffmpeg -i $somefilename
[01:22:31] kdubya: just retouch all your photos from the command line with imagemagick
[01:22:33] justinh: squish102: or any of the handy perl/python media info bindings
[01:22:41] CCFL_Man2: iamlindoro_: it looks pretty nice
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[01:22:52] justinh: kdubya: kinda tricky to remove small scratches & make a good job of it that way though
[01:22:59] kdubya: heh
[01:23:37] justinh: scan, copy to new layer, save! operate on the duplicate layer only so you can compare at any time :)
[01:24:33] justinh: rooaus: remember the eye from blootube-wide?
[01:24:36] CCFL_Man2: iamlindoro_: what channels do you receive with it?
[01:24:37] squish102: justinh, it is that i try run any script that tries to figure out info, they all try different things and never work
[01:24:39] rooaus: Yeah, I mean bits torn out of the photo from being placed in bad albums, creases and scratches. I like the command line, but not that much.
[01:24:49] _banyan: The layer stuff does my head in. I would need a 3-d monitor to really get it.
[01:24:55] rooaus: justinh: The eye, yeah... who was that?
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[01:26:19] iamlindoro_: CCFL_Man2: I just got some random FTA for a very short while... I planned to play more with it but it turns out my view of birds from my condo stinks... nothing connected to it at all right now
[01:26:39] iamlindoro_: CCFL_Man2: So it will have to wait until I move in the next few years
[01:27:07] iamlindoro_: I tuned a few random religious channels to see that it worked, and stopped at that point, plus, I get everything I want via firewire right now
[01:27:53] _banyan: You didn't want to jinx it by tuning in porn?
[01:27:58] justinh: from this: http://imageafter.com/image.php?image=b20nicoleluneburg001.jpg to this: http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/images/eye.png :)
[01:28:13] iamlindoro_: pfft, had I been able to I would have
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[01:28:44] _banyan: Hmm, porn is hard to find but God is everywhere.
[01:28:59] justinh: ubuntu christian edition ftw!
[01:29:02] iamlindoro_: Hey, they made the internet for a reason
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[01:29:05] kdubya: that is possibly the first time 'pron is hard to fine' has ever been said
[01:29:09] kdubya: porn
[01:29:09] iamlindoro_: And that reason is porn
[01:29:33] _banyan: you're kidding about the ubuntu Christian edition, aren't you justinh?
[01:29:34] kdubya: haha
[01:29:37] ** justinh chuckles when he remembers the small furore about the christian edition not censoring expletives in certain source code **
[01:29:40] kdubya: there really is a chirstian edition
[01:29:42] kdubya: hilarious
[01:29:59] squish102: iamlindoro_, i had to add some "" to your script
[01:30:05] squish102: totalseconds=`mencoder "$original_name" < that
[01:30:34] iamlindoro_: squish102: it's only run on recordings in my system, so it's unnecessary here
[01:30:35] squish102: as my filenames have been chaned with mythrename.pl and include spaces
[01:30:42] iamlindoro_: squish102: No spaces in them.
[01:30:50] iamlindoro_: squish102: OK
[01:31:08] squish102: i know.. but i ran it without any parameters and expected it to give me usage
[01:31:10] justinh: of course the perfect antidote to the christian edition: http://ubuntusatanic.org/wallpapers/SE-666-Wide.png
[01:31:23] iamlindoro_: squish102: All in the comments
[01:31:28] squish102: and it just renamed them.. which sucks
[01:31:36] _banyan: are there not net-nanny packages for linux?
[01:31:56] squish102: iamlindoro_ do u know if i can fix them by running it again?
[01:31:56] kdubya: im sure there are
[01:32:06] iamlindoro_: squish102: No idea, I don't run mythrename...
[01:32:18] _banyan: OK, I smell a cynical hidden agenda somewhere then.
[01:32:35] _banyan: spyware embedded in the kernel or something.
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[01:33:52] rooaus: justinh: Nice work.
[01:34:10] _banyan: Within a week, your local church has enough info to blackmail you, and Pat Robertson has your credit cards maxed out.
[01:35:31] justinh: rooaus: posted an initial mockup here & some people said they found it looked scary so big, so the veins had to go. cleaned up the excess makeup, mono'd the background & changed the eye colour. all in a days' work. well about 2 hours. one watermark – two hours!
[01:36:12] _banyan: Better yet, your local church has information to blackmail you with, which is actually that your credit cards have been maxed out at porn sites — by Pat Robertson.
[01:36:17] CCFL_Man2: iamlindoro_: c band fta is more funner :P
[01:36:41] justinh: _banyan: better keep quiet about the kind of sites it'd be. this channel is logged remember
[01:37:18] _banyan: I was, of course, kidding about Saint Pat.
[01:37:43] kdubya: he can leg press like 4000 lbs
[01:37:46] kdubya: because of like
[01:37:47] kdubya: god
[01:37:51] _banyan: Ooh, and the porn sites are owned by P. R.
[01:37:53] _banyan: lol
[01:37:55] justinh: rooaus: I once reworked a holiday photo that'd been spoiled by not noticing a palm tree. took hours. finished it, dead happy with it. prints came a few days later. forgot to do the shadow! DOH
[01:38:32] CCFL_Man2: iamlindoro_: i'm tempted to get a dvb-s receiver with asi output, plz persuade me otherwise :P
[01:38:44] justinh: it's real hard to airbrush things out when there are reflections in water, too
[01:38:56] rooaus: justinh: lol
[01:39:07] iamlindoro_: CCFL_Man2: OK... stop buying useless crap and put your money towards something worthwhile like women or blow, damnit!
[01:39:17] _banyan: heh
[01:39:32] CCFL_Man2: lol
[01:39:34] justinh: one of my cousins is a pro photo retoucher for the print industry. apparently he once had to spend a few days in a darkened room touching up Michael Jackson
[01:39:40] GreyFoxx: Can anyone recommend a good rotor for use with a dvb-s card?
[01:39:56] CCFL_Man2: GreyFoxx: usals box
[01:39:58] justinh: GreyFoxx: a motor from www.willitblend.com ?
[01:39:58] ** GreyFoxx has 2 dishes doing nothing, so I might pickup some rotors and start playing **
[01:40:02] _banyan: please tell me your cousin is of legal age.
[01:40:16] rooaus: justinh: That good to hear... it is usually M Jackson in the sarkened room touching someone else up isn't it?
[01:40:23] CCFL_Man2: GreyFoxx: why not just use disecq switches?
[01:40:36] justinh: no comment. his fans are everwhere
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[01:40:42] iamlindoro_: CCFL_Man2: Because then he needs more LNB's/dishes
[01:40:43] GreyFoxx: CCFL_Man2:I want something to physically repoint the dishes :)
[01:40:52] _banyan: What if they chop up one of their own blenders in their blender?
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[01:40:56] GreyFoxx: I have multiple dishes, multiple lnb's
[01:41:06] GreyFoxx: but I want something to let me repoint them without going on the roof :)
[01:41:33] CCFL_Man2: iamlindoro_: nothing wrong with 10 dishes on the roof :P
[01:41:48] iamlindoro_: CCFL_Man2: And *that* is why you are unmarried and will remain so ;)
[01:41:59] iamlindoro_: Nobody wants to do the "sattelite dish guy"
[01:42:05] CCFL_Man2: GreyFoxx: just pick the birds you like and point them?
[01:42:11] CCFL_Man2: lol
[01:42:19] GreyFoxx: CCFL_Man2: No :)
[01:42:34] CCFL_Man2: lol
[01:42:37] justinh: wanna come home for coffee? yeah sure... taxi arrives at your place... she sees the dish farm & says "on second thoughts I have to start work early tomorrow"
[01:43:45] iamlindoro_: Not to mention the divorce citing $10,000 monthly power bills for running your closet headend
[01:43:49] jams: GreyFoxx- for that popcorn hour device it's an estimated two month wait to place an order.
[01:44:04] justinh: or just give them a 4 hour presentation/demo of mythtv. they'll immediately realise they'll never take first place. get married, then get mythtv :D
[01:44:05] jams: i just signed up and that was the estimate they gave me
[01:44:36] CCFL_Man2: i mainly want two birds for fta reception, that is all
[01:44:39] CCFL_Man2: lol
[01:44:57] iamlindoro_: I have a bitchin' Myth box but I know the secret to keeping the lady happy... hide all the wires in the wall and *never* under any circumstances let it crash or upgrade when she is looking
[01:45:04] GreyFoxx: will a regular dvbs card handle the cband FTA stuff ?
[01:45:53] CCFL_Man2: GreyFoxx: yeah, it's all a matter of chosing the right l band frequency
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[01:46:56] CCFL_Man2: most c band lnbs use a LO of 5150MHz, if your transponder you want is 3740MHz, subtract the LO from the input frequency to get the Lband frequency
[01:47:00] GreyFoxx: jams: wow 2 months
[01:47:31] CCFL_Man2: actually, you don't need to bother with that, input the LO and the range you want to scan and you should be fine
[01:47:43] jams: yep, gives me time to save up =)
[01:48:07] GreyFoxx: jams: it was under $200 right?
[01:48:13] GreyFoxx: Looks like a real sweet little unit
[01:48:47] jams: yeah $179
[01:49:22] jams: it does look nice, some talk of mythtv support on the forums to.
[01:49:29] GreyFoxx: yeah read that
[01:49:39] GreyFoxx: and since it supports upnp you can at least get the content
[01:49:52] GreyFoxx: and smb, etc so as long as the menu isn't poo it would rock
[01:50:21] GreyFoxx: there are dlna extensions for scheduling and program guides
[01:50:27] GreyFoxx: so it would be a good reason to add those to myth
[01:50:35] GreyFoxx: and maybe work on livetv availabnle via upnp
[01:50:35] jams: i hooked up my mediamvp today (to add support for it). I forgot just how plain those menus are
[01:50:44] GreyFoxx: heh
[01:51:26] jams: recordings worked, but played a bit jerky in spots.
[01:51:39] jams: yahoo weather was good though!
[01:55:25] CCFL_Man2: there was a util that would take an audio stream received from a dvb device and send it to icecast as an audio input
[01:55:37] CCFL_Man2: anyone remember the name of that?
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[01:56:37] justinh: dvbstream?
[01:57:14] CCFL_Man2: dvbshout
[01:57:17] CCFL_Man2: git it
[01:58:33] CCFL_Man2: wonder if it will work with qam streams
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[02:00:45] justinh: qam is just the modulation method, nothing to do with the streams
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[02:02:08] CCFL_Man2: it should work with qam/atsc cards because they are seen as dvb cards?
[02:04:12] justinh: more than likely
[02:05:32] CCFL_Man2: sweet
[02:06:24] CCFL_Man2: the cost of 3U server cases is super high
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[02:16:26] squish102: jams mediamvp playing mpeg2 through mythtv?
[02:17:45] squish102: GreyFoxx, i dont think getting livetv through upnp would be high on the priority... no1 watches livetv ;)
[02:18:16] Miranda: I'm looking for an analog tv capture card, and I don't see this one in the wiki – anyone have experience with an Avermedia ultraTV PCI 350?
[02:19:34] justinh: Miranda: Hauppauge pvr150/pvr500 if you must buy an analogue tuner
[02:20:01] jams: squish102- yes
[02:20:07] Miranda: justinh, I've been lurking ebay and I don't quite have the money for one of those at the moment.
[02:20:31] Miranda: the avermedia card looks the same as the hauppage, I was wondering about it
[02:20:49] ** jams uses livetv all the time **
[02:20:51] justinh: most tuners look alike. they are not alike
[02:20:59] squish102: i had similar probs with jerky playback... ushare worked without a problem (over wireless 802.11g)
[02:21:09] Miranda: justinh, agreed, that's why I'm asking
[02:22:05] iamlindoro_: Ain't nothing that's a PVR but a PVR
[02:23:10] iamlindoro_: not to mention that card doesn't even appear to have v4l support
[02:23:32] ** Seeker` uses a PVR150, works really well **
[02:23:56] squish102: me too
[02:24:11] justinh: anyway isn't avermedia just an anagram of thiscardisreallylamedon'tbuyit ?
[02:24:19] squish102: works well, have 3 other cards in the draw that dont work
[02:24:49] justinh: Miranda: seriously, it's worth waiting for a pvr card
[02:25:14] Miranda: grr, I just wish I could find one for <$50 USD
[02:25:16] justinh: sheesh. I'd better go to bed
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[02:25:32] kdubya: i got a pvr150 for like $50
[02:25:41] Miranda: kdubya, ebay?
[02:25:44] kdubya: nah
[02:25:47] kdubya: best buy for business
[02:25:56] iamlindoro_: you can get one for 54 at newegg, New.
[02:26:08] Miranda: then why the hell are they so expensive on ebay?
[02:26:13] ** Miranda browses newegg **
[02:26:47] kdubya: because the prices on ebay are inflated by idiots and people from countries where prices for such things are inflated
[02:28:26] kdubya: http://www.bestbuybusiness.com/bbfb/en/US/adi . . . D=BB10543344
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[02:32:06] Miranda: grr, newegg decided to get super slow
[02:34:22] MrJackson: everyone shops on sunday night
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[02:36:43] Miranda: Is this single tuner or dual tuner? It's got two F-type coax inputs http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116631
[02:37:18] kdubya: that is single
[02:37:21] iamlindoro_: all 150s are single tuner
[02:37:24] kdubya: one coax is for FM radio
[02:37:24] iamlindoro_: radio
[02:37:32] kdubya: only the pvr500 is dual analog
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[02:46:46] fryfrog: which *also* has two coax inputs, but one of them is (again) for FM :)
[02:48:43] ** iamlindoro_ considers adding a wiki article on how to play Blu-Ray and HD-DVD disks in myth but fears he would have to support it. **
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[02:48:55] GreyFoxx: nah
[02:48:57] GreyFoxx: post it
[02:49:02] GreyFoxx: and don't put your name on it :)
[02:49:07] iamlindoro_: heh
[02:49:15] iamlindoro_: cursed wiki history pages...
[02:49:35] GreyFoxx: nothing compells you to support anything
[02:49:46] kdubya: can you just pop in HD DVD or blu rays and play them?
[02:49:48] GreyFoxx: just cause I have code in the system doesn't mean I must support it :)
[02:49:52] kdubya: encrypted ones
[02:50:04] kdubya: or do you have to rip them first still
[02:50:17] iamlindoro_: kdubya: See, that's the kind of question I fear answering, especially since the answer is... indirectly (ie yes, you must rip them)
[02:50:21] fryfrog: just because i help support sometimes, doesn't mean i have to code either! :)
[02:50:32] kdubya: yeah
[02:50:54] iamlindoro_: And especially since that's the *easy* part
[02:50:58] kdubya: im not going to bother with that crap until its not a pain in the ass
[02:51:36] iamlindoro_: Anyway, I think I'll make that my wiki project o' the day tomorrow
[02:51:46] GreyFoxx: If I had a drive that could read them I'd do it
[02:52:02] kdubya: that LG one that does blu and HD DVD is tempting
[02:52:09] iamlindoro_: Those drives have *really* come down in price
[02:52:16] GreyFoxx: how much is it ?
[02:52:19] iamlindoro_: The dual format one was on sale for $250 the other day!
[02:52:28] GreyFoxx: does it handle regular dvd's too ?:)
[02:52:34] iamlindoro_: Yup
[02:52:51] iamlindoro_: Someone posted a link, should be somwhere in the logs... was about two weeks ago I think
[02:53:09] kdubya: it burns regular DVDs and does lightscribe
[02:53:34] kdubya: doesnt burn HD discs though
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[02:57:33] Miranda__: here's another stupid question: what about this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116009
[02:57:50] Miranda__: looks like it's NTSC and ATSC/QAM for future digital broadcasts
[02:59:39] iamlindoro_: It has experimental drivers
[02:59:54] iamlindoro_: which means whatever the next version of you distro of choice is will probably have it :)
[03:04:29] rooaus: I am going to approach the Australian Bureau of Meteorology about the yet to be released xml data feeds. Anyone know of a nice link showing capabilites to help them understand what it does, found http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Weather_sandbox
[03:04:59] iamlindoro_: So here's something amusing... mplayer/ffmpeg seem not to have perfected the demuxer for blu-ray audio tracks yet (owing to some of them containing two tracks within one PID)... so the only audio track I can currently play on my "Crank" rip is the family friendly version with no profanity... hehe
[03:05:17] kdubya: heh
[03:05:40] Miranda__: iamlindoro, I use gentoo, I'd have to wait for the devs to declare it 'stable' or manually load an unstable package :)
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[03:06:15] iamlindoro_: Miranda__: Feh, if you're running Gentoo then loading up the experimental drivers should be old hat to you
[03:06:38] Miranda__: iamlindoro, exactly :)
[03:07:00] Miranda__: I'm still torn...
[03:07:34] Miranda__: I need to wait till tomorrow, there's a bunch of card+remote 'packages' that end on ebay, for less than the $85 package goes on newegg
[03:08:22] kdubya: chances are
[03:08:27] kdubya: you will pay more on ebay
[03:08:40] kdubya: unless you are outside of the US
[03:08:55] kdubya: and you cant get decent prices on stuff
[03:09:44] Miranda__: kdubya, agreed, but I'm a cheapskate, it's hard to justify almost $100 for something 'non-essential' to the wife.....
[03:10:00] Miranda__: Fair warning to all the single folks out there.. don't get married for a LONG time
[03:10:14] kdubya: dude
[03:10:17] kdubya: i am telling you
[03:10:27] kdubya: cheapskates should SELL things on ebay
[03:10:29] kdubya: not buy them
[03:11:18] Miranda__: I do have a couple i875 cpu's I can sell
[03:11:25] ** iamlindoro_ sighs and goes to work on the wiki. **
[03:11:34] Miranda__: iamlindoro, sorry I"m so painful.
[03:11:48] iamlindoro_: Hmm? Not referring to you at all
[03:12:04] Miranda__: oh, maybe I just feel guilty then
[03:12:06] iamlindoro_: Referring to the wiki page that I want to write and don't want to write :)
[03:12:29] Miranda__: You could always submit it anonymously :)
[03:12:48] iamlindoro_: Feh, and miss the chance to hog the glory?  ;)
[03:13:02] Miranda__: I think the toughest part would be trying to explain to all the people that you can't wantch blu-ray DVD's on a traditional DVD player
[03:13:07] Miranda__: iamlindoro, :)
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[03:32:51] pyrotech: does anyone know if its possible to run dual firewire outputs from the motorola DCT3416 hd stb?
[03:33:27] pyrotech: I am currently running a single firewire output from the box but I would like to be able to have dual tuners coming out
[03:35:19] iamlindoro_: No, it's not. Not from any STB, in fact.
[03:35:20] Kazuhiro: Do the nvidia 7600 vid cards handle any hidef decoding or mkv files?
[03:35:27] Kazuhiro: or = of
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[03:35:30] iamlindoro_: You can daisy chain a second STB on if you like, but that's it
[03:35:41] iamlindoro_: Kazuhiro, No.
[03:35:51] iamlindoro_: Not in linux, anyawy
[03:35:57] iamlindoro_: and MKV is just a container, not a codec
[03:35:57] Kazuhiro: so it is purely cpu bound then
[03:36:03] iamlindoro_: Kazuhiro: Yes.
[03:36:22] Kazuhiro: what speed core2duo would I be looking at for 1080p rips?
[03:36:30] iamlindoro_: You can hardware accelerate some parts of MPEG-2 decoding with nvidia cards, but that's it.
[03:36:35] Kazuhiro: ok
[03:36:49] iamlindoro_: Kazuhiro: Avermedia ultraTV
[03:36:51] iamlindoro_: er
[03:36:53] iamlindoro_: sorry
[03:36:57] iamlindoro_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD_Playback_Reports
[03:37:03] Kazuhiro: thanks.
[03:37:09] iamlindoro_: I've done 1080p rips straight off blu-ray with a C2D 2.0 Ghz
[03:37:20] iamlindoro_: But it required a *lot* of tweaking the mplayer line
[03:37:28] iamlindoro_: My Quad plays them best and with the leat trouble
[03:37:39] iamlindoro_: C2Quad 2.4 Q6600, that is
[03:37:56] iamlindoro_: And my C2D E4500 plays them with the very occasional dropped frame
[03:38:15] iamlindoro_: Keep in mind that's straight off the disk, not downsampled stuff from the internet
[03:38:38] MrJackson: 1080p requires less cpu time than 1080i does though
[03:38:40] iamlindoro_: ie My Transformers rip = 30 Mbit/s, One from the Internet = 10 Mbit/s
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[03:39:05] iamlindoro_: MrJackson: Not so at all
[03:39:30] MrJackson: yes, it needs to be deinterlaced
[03:39:44] iamlindoro_: 1080i is analogous to 720p, with *slightly* more horsepower needed for deint, 1080p is far more resource intensive
[03:39:54] iamlindoro_: Anyone want to back me on this?
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[03:40:23] CCFL_Man2: iamlindoro_: sucks how most tvs only do 1080p through hdmi
[03:40:32] Kazuhiro: ok, so a 2.4 dual should suffice then.. or do the 2 extra cores really help it along?
[03:40:52] iamlindoro_: Kazuhiro: They're more helpful to me for transcoding, a dual core should do nicely
[03:40:53] MrJackson: hdmi is nothing though CCFL_Man2, dvi to hdmi adapters are common
[03:41:36] CCFL_Man2: MrJackson: but if you want to do 1080p over vga, many tvs won't allow it
[03:41:58] Kazuhiro: iamlindoro, ok thanks. Clears up things a bit. And any nvidia card in the 7000 series should be okay for playback including hdtv?
[03:42:03] MrJackson: but with the adapter the tv see's it ccoming from hdmi
[03:42:16] iamlindoro_: Kazuhiro: More than enough, even a 6000 series would be OK
[03:42:25] iamlindoro_: Kazuhiro: Since so little is done by the GPU
[03:42:34] Kazuhiro: ok, excellent.
[03:42:57] Kazuhiro: shopping time now. Thanks for your help.
[03:43:13] clever: ive got a card in my myth box which doesnt even have a real gpu
[03:43:23] clever: its practicaly just a frame buffer
[03:43:35] iamlindoro_: Kazuhiro: No problem
[03:43:35] clever: but ive yet to run myth on it yet
[03:43:43] clever: was meant to be dedicated to qemu
[03:43:56] CCFL_Man2: MrJackson: i'm one of those guys that says if hd-sdi can't be used, i only want vga
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[03:45:12] MrJackson: well then you don't count ;)
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[03:48:17] CCFL_Man2: lol
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[03:51:36] jtmoney: does anyone know what the status of mp will be (at least for americans) after analog cables are no longer useful in feburary 2009?
[03:51:51] jtmoney: everyone will have to be using clear qam/atsc/firewire/external set top boxes?
[03:52:21] CCFL_Man2: jtmoney: cable tv will stay analog until atleast 2012
[03:53:23] jtmoney: Will the February 17, 2009 date for the end of full-power analog television broadcasting be pushed back?
[03:53:23] jtmoney: Federal law mandates that February 17, 2009 is the last day of full-power analog television broadcasting. Government agencies, industry, public interest groups, and other interested organizations are working hard to make sure that the deadline is met and that everyone is prepared for the end of full-power analog television broadcasting.
[03:53:27] jtmoney: from dtv.gov ^
[03:53:36] CCFL_Man2: jtmoney: the switchover only affects broadcast tv received over an antenna in the uhf/vhf frequencies
[03:53:47] jtmoney: ahh
[03:53:48] jtmoney: gotcha
[03:54:25] CCFL_Man2: jtmoney: only reason for the switchover is so the fcc can auction off the unused spectrum
[03:55:40] CCFL_Man2: more than likly the spectrum will go to cellular carriers and wireless service providers
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[03:56:13] CCFL_Man2: which, to me, is a total waste of the spectrum, as it only serves as revenue generation for the large carriers
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[03:57:41] CCFL_Man2: i kind of wonder who the unused spectrum will go to
[03:58:42] kdubya: porn
[03:59:22] CCFL_Man2: for years it was reserved for tv, hard to believe that new digital services that will be on the spectrum can be received perfectly fine with a 1960s set of rabbit ears
[03:59:45] clever: LOL
[03:59:58] MrJackson: it can if your in the right location
[04:00:04] MrJackson: i've done it
[04:00:35] CCFL_Man2: you have not, there are no data services on the spectrum yet
[04:00:56] CCFL_Man2: but hdtv, of course
[04:01:08] MrJackson: ohh, i misread that
[04:01:28] CCFL_Man2: a 1960s set of rabbit ears can pull in perfectly clear 1080i atsc streams, i find that cool
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[04:01:46] MrJackson: yup
[04:01:50] clever: what about a yagi antena on the roof?:P
[04:01:57] MrJackson: same lol
[04:02:01] clever: many people probly still have one
[04:02:12] clever: seems cheap to just wire it into the new tv
[04:02:17] MrJackson: the same antenna you used for broadcast should work fine for digital broadcast
[04:02:29] clever: same freq range as before?
[04:02:37] MrJackson: no
[04:02:51] MrJackson: it's higher, but it still works good enough
[04:02:56] clever: ahh
[04:03:18] clever: how good does a peice of wet string work?:P
[04:03:44] MrJackson: if your standing infron t of the tower it would porobly wotk lol
[04:04:05] CCFL_Man2: MrJackson: it's the same bandwidth, 6MHz
[04:04:05] clever: oops
[04:04:13] clever: forgot to set TZ again before starting my irc client
[04:04:24] clever: need to script that
[04:06:06] CCFL_Man2: most rooftop antennas in my area are a half dipole with parasitic array, which is perfect for uhf, which all of my local stations are
[04:07:56] clever: ive got plain coax cable entering the house here
[04:08:16] clever: and a dish on the roof that we dont use but i keep looking into using with free channels
[04:08:22] CCFL_Man2: clever: where does the coax come from?
[04:08:25] clever: id still need to buy a dvb-s card though
[04:08:36] clever: the coax is from the pole(rogers digital cable)
[04:08:52] CCFL_Man2: cable sucks, mang
[04:09:04] clever: i suspect its qam based from the debug menus in the box
[04:09:35] CCFL_Man2: how big is your dish?
[04:09:44] clever: its not one of those massive ones
[04:10:03] clever: could allmost hide it in my coat if i wasnt wearing the coat
[04:10:18] clever: round, not ddual horned
[04:10:40] CCFL_Man2: if it's directv or dish network you'll need to change the lnb, because fta signals on ku band are linearly polarized, not circular polarized, which direct and dish are
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[04:10:42] clever: i could pick it out of a police lineup if you want:P
[04:11:00] clever: canada up here
[04:11:11] CCFL_Man2: express vu?
[04:11:20] clever: i could just get the unencrypted channels on the sat its allready pointed to
[04:11:41] CCFL_Man2: you have a receiver?
[04:11:50] clever: the dish came with the house
[04:12:00] clever: the old owners took the decoder box with them
[04:12:24] CCFL_Man2: you might need to change the lnb and repoint the dish
[04:12:26] clever: the rogers guy cut the coax line where it entered the house but i can fix that
[04:12:44] CCFL_Man2: clever: i'd cut his fucking balls off
[04:12:48] clever: lol
[04:13:32] clever: it was done a few years ago
[04:13:34] CCFL_Man2: get a couple big dishes
[04:13:38] clever: before i even got into linux
[04:13:58] clever: ive also got a decoder box from a friend
[04:14:10] clever: but theres probly no simple way to convert it to the free channels
[04:15:03] CCFL_Man2: i'm not sure if there are any canadian c band providers
[04:15:29] ** clever goes to get the card **
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[04:16:24] clever: the box we have is bell expres vu
[04:16:26] GreyFoxx: CCFL_Man2: I'd be tempted if there are
[04:16:36] clever: even has the card your suposed to return
[04:16:55] clever: and 2 of my laptops have a reader the card fits but lack any kind of software
[04:16:57] CCFL_Man2: GreyFoxx: their probably are, just not sure what channels you get in canada
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[04:17:42] mumrah: what is the support like for the intel macs?
[04:18:01] GreyFoxx: Not sure whaqt you mean
[04:18:10] GreyFoxx: Myth can be compiled on Intel OSX
[04:18:13] GreyFoxx: and works
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[04:18:43] GreyFoxx: but I don't knwo if the backend on OSX would do more than iptv/firewire recordings if you run the backend on it
[04:21:38] iamlindoro_: And if you mean support for the hardware under linux, then pretty much perfectly supported.
[04:22:00] jtmoney: ehh, i thought about doing the firewire thing, but i figured if i'm going to rent a STB anyways, might as well just use a hdmi -> dvi converter and dvi switchbox :-X
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[04:22:38] CCFL_Man2: jtmoney: but how do you get stuff into myth?
[04:22:48] kdubya: Magic.
[04:22:51] mumrah: well, i'm thinking of getting a macmini
[04:23:01] mumrah: and am curious about running mythtv on it
[04:23:13] CCFL_Man2: mumrah: you can get a cheaper appletv and use it as a frontend
[04:23:46] mumrah: and run mythtv on that?
[04:24:29] kdubya: yeah
[04:24:46] CCFL_Man2: run the frontend on it
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[04:25:34] mumrah: wait so, is there a mythtv server, and a frontend also?
[04:26:06] kdubya: yeah
[04:26:09] mumrah: hmm
[04:26:13] kdubya: mythtv is a client server architectuer
[04:26:21] kdubya: you can run them both on the same machine or not
[04:26:25] mumrah: would a mac mini not be suitable for server as well as client/
[04:26:34] mumrah: with one of those usb capture devices
[04:26:36] kdubya: well the hard drive is tiny
[04:26:43] kdubya: so it would suck as a server
[04:26:52] mumrah: well, i have hd space elsewhere
[04:27:07] kdubya: then run the server there
[04:27:11] jtmoney: CCFL_Man2: i wouldn't... in fact, i use media portal right now ;)
[04:27:42] mumrah: well, maybe you guys can help then
[04:27:51] psm321: i know i'm kind of late to the convo here, but afaik the "cable has to be analog until 2012" thing only applies to local channels
[04:27:52] mumrah: i need a solution that is OK for the wife
[04:28:04] psm321: comcast here has already started to move channels off analog
[04:28:10] mumrah: as far as smooth front end, remote-wise
[04:28:31] CCFL_Man2: http://www.svideo.com/appletv2tv.html <--look at the prive of that son of a bitch
[04:28:35] kdubya: heh
[04:28:37] kdubya: wives suck
[04:28:53] mumrah: lol
[04:29:51] mumrah: do most people run server/client separate?
[04:30:01] kdubya: i dont
[04:30:17] mumrah: what type of machine do you run?
[04:30:28] kdubya: i have a 5600 x2
[04:30:37] mumrah: !explain
[04:30:38] kdubya: with a 7600gs video card
[04:30:41] kdubya: heh
[04:30:51] kdubya: are you good with linux?
[04:30:54] mumrah: yea
[04:32:17] mumrah: so, building my own pc with a good gpu, capture card, and big hdd
[04:32:18] CCFL_Man2: i will use a mythtv backend for my sources and recording
[04:32:21] mumrah: is probably the best bet
[04:32:40] kdubya: yeah most build their own
[04:32:52] mumrah: sigh
[04:32:53] mumrah: well
[04:32:58] kdubya: get a pretty case for the wife
[04:33:00] mumrah: yea
[04:33:09] mumrah: what's a good case that will fit
[04:33:14] kdubya: or just lose the wife and get whatever you want
[04:33:16] CCFL_Man2: the backend will have multiple atsc/qam cards in it and a dvb-s card in it, each channel on my system will only go through each input
[04:33:16] mumrah: maybe with a big sexy blue button
[04:33:31] kdubya: antec fusion is the most popular HTPC case i think
[04:33:56] CCFL_Man2: i'll have qam modulators to provide the digicipher II c band channels i want with dcII receivers
[04:33:58] mumrah: oh, is this a new type of case
[04:33:59] mumrah: HTPC
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[04:34:23] kdubya: HTPC cases are just ones they look like they belong under a TV
[04:34:26] mumrah: lol
[04:34:34] mumrah: look like old desktop cases to me
[04:34:42] mumrah: with a sexy bevel
[04:34:47] mumrah: bezel&
[04:34:53] CCFL_Man2: my system will be complex and expensive, but i'll have exactly what i want
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[04:36:24] mumrah: see, 200 bucks for a case kills the whole project for me
[04:37:01] kdubya: heh
[04:37:06] kdubya: you can get a $15 tower
[04:37:50] mikeylikesit5805: hey, is there a way to have mythtv write to an external hardrive plugged into another computer, over the network?
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[04:38:34] mikeylikesit5805: mumrah: i like this http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=TCS51-2B
[04:38:38] mikeylikesit5805: that is what i used
[04:38:51] mikeylikesit5805: it looks good, small, queit and cheap
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[04:39:52] mumrah: mikey: thanks, at first i was like "damn that's a lot for an ugly case"
[04:40:02] CCFL_Man2: mikeylikesit5805: nfs mount?
[04:40:27] mikeylikesit5805: ccfl_man2 is that a program for ubuntu that will mount a drive, then i can point to it in mythtv
[04:40:32] mikeylikesit5805: ?
[04:41:05] mikeylikesit5805: mumrah: its not quite great looking, but its really not bad, i have mine in a drawer its great
[04:41:12] jwbrown77: Hi all. I am unable to start mythfrontend. When it launches, it crashes X and relaunches gdm. I'm getting "mythfrontend.real: Fatal IO error: client killed"
[04:41:35] jwbrown77: I tried starting mythfrontend in verbose all mode and it doesn't provide anything else of value.
[04:41:49] jwbrown77: Has anyone else ran into this or know a way to get more debugging information?
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[04:42:54] jwbrown77: It worked fine until tonight, I'm not sure why it stopped working.
[04:43:39] defaultro: justinh?
[04:43:47] mumrah: all: how's this look, http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ASL10 . . . &cat=SYS
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[04:43:54] defaultro: i got the mythxface installed
[04:43:59] mumrah: builtin wifi, 250gb hdd, dvd-rw
[04:44:22] defaultro: it looks good. But I will have to change the color of the lower part
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[04:49:17] psm321: mikeylikesit5805: check this out http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ ... probably more info than you need but i dont have time right now to walk someone through it (plus its been a long time since i used nfs)
[04:49:44] psm321: mikeylikesit5805: you may want to just google for nfs tutorials, etc... basically it's a filesystem over the network
[04:49:44] mumrah: mikey: man nfs
[04:52:32] mumrah: man mount, rather
[04:54:18] mikeylikesit5805: ok guys i will try that thanks you
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[04:57:30] CaptObviousman: humm
[04:57:44] CaptObviousman: anyone ever have Xlib errors compiling lirc?
[04:58:40] jams: because your asking, i would say the answer is yes.
[04:59:08] Tanthrix: Thanks Captain Obvious. Oh wait..
[05:00:31] jams: =)
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[05:06:36] jwbrown77: If anyone here has mythbuntu, can they tell me their "Exec" setting in /usr/share/applications/mythtv.desktop?
[05:06:51] zed2323: hi all. does mythtv support getting listings from cctv, or is scheduledirect.com the only choice?
[05:06:58] bsdfox__: off topic.. anyone done WEP cracking before? I can't figure out how to generate traffic
[05:07:16] kdubya: h4x
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[05:11:01] psm321: zed2323: there's EIT support, not sure what areas/services have EIT though
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[05:15:38] CaptObviousman: dorks
[05:15:45] CaptObviousman: I think my pc is haunted
[05:15:47] CaptObviousman: or something
[05:18:06] kdubya: DORK
[05:24:58] iamlindoro_: Done at last! http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/High_Definition_Media
[05:25:08] iamlindoro_: Now I'm never answering another question about Blu-ray in myth ;)
[05:25:20] iamlindoro_: *or* HD-DVD
[05:25:23] iamlindoro_: ;)
[05:27:43] defaultro: hey iamlindor
[05:27:45] defaultro: o
[05:27:48] defaultro: what happened?
[05:27:55] defaultro: i own an A2 and love it
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[05:28:33] iamlindoro_: What about your A2?
[05:28:48] iamlindoro_: What's it got to do with anything?
[05:29:36] defaultro: i was just saying :)
[05:29:49] iamlindoro_: Why?
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[05:30:04] defaultro: coz you mentioned BD and HD
[05:30:24] defaultro: but way off, I shouldnt have posted :)
[05:30:24] iamlindoro_: I wrote an article about HD-DVD/Blu-ray playback in myth... if you want to use a deck to play it, by all means, do so
[05:30:34] defaultro: yes, i am reading it, it's totally cool
[05:30:46] defaultro: but i don't have the add-on yet
[05:30:47] iamlindoro_: Far easier to use an appliance at the moment;)
[05:30:48] iamlindoro_: er ;)
[05:30:50] CCFL_Man2: this samsung dtv stb scanned in every ota chennel in my area except for my local ion
[05:31:05] Tanthrix: iamlindoro: Very well done! Definately one of the best MythTV wiki articles we have. (Next to my spiffy page on recording digital/hd cable, of course ;-)
[05:31:15] iamlindoro_: Tanthrix: Heh.  ;)
[05:31:33] iamlindoro_: Tanthrix: Thanks. It will change rapidly as the tools to play come up to speed, I expect
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[05:31:44] Tanthrix: Some of them are so poorly written it's not even funny
[05:31:49] iamlindoro_: Tanthrix: But it saves me giving the shpeel on how to do it over and over again, and all the caveats
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[05:32:11] Tanthrix: That's exactly why I wrote this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Digital_Cable
[05:32:41] defaultro: dumphd is familiar to me :) his nick at doom starts with m
[05:32:42] CaptObviousman: hey uh, don't suppose someone could help me with blu-ray on myth? ;D
[05:32:44] iamlindoro_: Very nice! I see you're keeping it up to date, too ;)
[05:32:49] defaultro: i forgot because it was last year i saw it
[05:32:57] Tanthrix: iamlindoro: More or less. ;-)
[05:33:04] defaultro: mulix
[05:33:06] defaultro: muslix
[05:33:10] defaultro: am i correct?
[05:33:16] iamlindoro_: yep, he's the guy
[05:33:21] defaultro: gotcha
[05:33:30] defaultro: but man, you did a great job on that howto
[05:33:51] defaultro: i'm hoping that toshiba will drop the addon drive's price
[05:33:58] iamlindoro_: Thanks. There are lots of people who say it's impossible... it's not, it's just a gigantic pain in the ass.
[05:34:01] CCFL_Man2: Tanthrix: i wish i had access to the satellite feeds my local tv stations rebroadcast
[05:34:18] defaultro: i also saw another article but uses ubuntu
[05:34:29] defaultro: no need for ripping, it streams to mplayer
[05:34:41] iamlindoro_: The Ubuntu article is fucked up and abbreviated and doesn't even cover the fact that you can't get SOUND
[05:34:42] defaultro: it was also posted at doom
[05:34:48] defaultro: ah
[05:34:53] defaultro: thanks for letting me know
[05:34:56] iamlindoro_: Heh
[05:35:13] defaultro: so the udf bug is finally fixed?
[05:35:39] iamlindoro_: Which UDF bug?
[05:35:47] defaultro: the large space issue
[05:36:02] defaultro: i read somewhere that we can't create a large fs for udp
[05:36:05] defaultro: udf
[05:36:20] defaultro: or large file something
[05:36:21] iamlindoro_: Ah... Well, I don't believe it's been an issue for some time, assuming you compile with up-to-date patch from the UDF project
[05:36:28] defaultro: gotcha
[05:36:35] iamlindoro_: Reading isn't a problem at all for the purposes of ripping
[05:36:45] iamlindoro_: so long as you have a 2.5 UDF kernel module
[05:36:49] defaultro: i'm hoping i can get a drive this year, I still need to buy an amplifier
[05:36:54] defaultro: ok
[05:37:06] iamlindoro_: Be the LG drive, HD-DVD is doomed
[05:37:08] iamlindoro_: er Get the
[05:37:28] iamlindoro_: It's cheap, too... $250 per google
[05:37:30] defaultro: somesay that HDDVD is doomed but Paramount/Universal and DW is staying
[05:37:39] defaultro: yeah, that's the dual right
[05:37:54] iamlindoro_: Universal will be out in a month, bet you anything
[05:37:59] defaultro: ok
[05:38:16] defaultro: paramount's contract i think is expired as well
[05:38:16] iamlindoro_: anyway, the LG allows you the best of both worlds
[05:38:22] defaultro: gotcha
[05:38:28] defaultro: that;s what I should buy
[05:38:45] defaultro: plus the newest hauppage card that can record via component
[05:38:53] defaultro: wow, that's $500 for both
[05:38:55] ** Tanthrix mourns the death of the HD-DVD **
[05:39:07] iamlindoro_: Well, it's a USB Box, and not out yet, but yeah, it will be a must-buy for most of us, I think
[05:39:24] Tanthrix: I just hope paramount releases the rest of the original series of Star Trek, instead of pulling out at the last minute and waiting for a thousand years to finally release the second season
[05:39:28] iamlindoro_: Heck, I get everything via firewire right now but I'm still buying one for a rainy day :)
[05:40:02] Tanthrix: Then I can finally watch them, so I can finally recieve my geek card.
[05:40:06] defaultro: but did you read about the performance clause from warners contract with BD?
[05:40:18] defaultro: i think it was in reuters
[05:40:24] iamlindoro_: Tanthrix: Those are the only ones that I have a terrible time playing on my myth box right now... cannot get audio sync for the life of me... but there has been a lot of improvement in ffmpeg in the last month, and I updated ffmpeg and SVN tonight, I should see if it works better now
[05:40:41] defaultro: that if they can't provide the features on a said date, they might rethink everything again
[05:40:44] iamlindoro_: defaultro: Yup, that's why I think they're done
[05:40:46] kdubya: i hope that new hauppauge thing works well
[05:40:50] Tanthrix: iamlindoro: Too bad. They look pretty damned nice.
[05:40:54] kdubya: i dont know how much longer i can stick with myth if it doesnt
[05:40:55] defaultro: k
[05:41:14] iamlindoro_: Tanthrix: They *look* fantastic, just tweaking to try to get everything exactly right... It'll be very soon now
[05:41:15] Tanthrix: kdubya: mrufkey says it does, so that's something at least.
[05:41:27] kdubya: who is mrufkey?
[05:41:31] defaultro: kdubya, mkrufkey will help us
[05:41:35] iamlindoro_: Tanthrix: I may drop a sample on the mplayer guys to see if they are smarter than I am about it, I've tried everything I can think of
[05:41:38] kdubya: he work for hauppauge?
[05:41:46] iamlindoro_: He's the Hauppauge dev who is writing the linux driver for it
[05:41:48] defaultro: yes
[05:41:52] kdubya: no shit
[05:41:57] iamlindoro_: He's in here a lot, wrote many of the Hauppauge linux drivers
[05:41:58] kdubya: they are writting official drivers?
[05:42:04] defaultro: he helped me last year too with my air2pc and dvico
[05:42:06] defaultro: he's a nice guy
[05:42:09] iamlindoro_: Naw, he does them in his spare time
[05:42:14] kdubya: i see
[05:42:17] kdubya: well thats awesome
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[05:42:41] defaultro: kdubya, but you have to understand that he does this on his spare time
[05:42:58] kdubya: well yeah
[05:43:12] defaultro: we guys have master the waiting of time :)
[05:43:16] kdubya: i meant that it is awesome that he said it works well
[05:43:17] defaultro: mastered
[05:43:40] kdubya: because if it looks like compressed macroblicking crap it is kind of useless
[05:43:42] iamlindoro_: Holy shit!
[05:43:49] CCFL_Man2: dammit why can't my local fox ever transmit something that farking works
[05:43:55] iamlindoro_: My mplayer SVN up fixed audio sync in Star Trek!
[05:44:03] defaultro: :)
[05:44:06] Tanthrix: Nifty!
[05:44:11] kdubya: the HD DVDs?
[05:44:12] defaultro: i did svn as well yesterday
[05:44:24] iamlindoro_: Now all my HD-DVDs and Blu-ray disks play *perfectly*
[05:44:27] defaultro: but i think my box isn't powerful enough
[05:44:36] iamlindoro_: defaultro: Yeah, but you have to patch to play the audio tracks
[05:44:55] defaultro: i did not patch but I am able to play .evo files
[05:44:59] ** iamlindoro_ points at the wiki **
[05:45:01] defaultro: but it wasn't synced
[05:45:06] iamlindoro_: defaultro: It's not the containers, it's the audio formats
[05:45:09] defaultro: k
[05:45:16] iamlindoro_: defaultro: You were playing something without E-AC3 or MLP, then
[05:45:21] defaultro: gotcha
[05:45:32] defaultro: you're the man. Update the wiki now :D
[05:45:52] iamlindoro_: I did, it's all in that article
[05:45:53] defaultro: man, you are make me drool to buy that drive
[05:46:01] defaultro: s/make/making/
[05:46:24] iamlindoro_: I think it's going to get better quickly
[05:46:24] defaultro: but the amp i am buying cost $400+ on ebay
[05:46:32] Tanthrix: <mkrufky> the thing works, though ... and it wworks WELL
[05:46:36] Kazuhiro: well my hardware is ordered now, should have it all tomorrow.
[05:46:37] iamlindoro_: a few months and the audio tracks will be really dialled in
[05:46:40] Tanthrix: There's what he said – took me forever to find it in my log.
[05:46:47] defaultro: Kazuhiro, what hardware?
[05:47:05] ** Tanthrix has been checking Hauppuage once a day since he heard the original announcement **
[05:47:17] kdubya: heh
[05:47:18] kdubya: cool
[05:47:24] defaultro: hauppage told me that it will be out this quarter
[05:47:25] Kazuhiro: c2duo 2.2, 2gb ram, gigabyte motherboard with hdmi/vga/dvi onboard, and 8 channel sound with spdif out
[05:47:29] kdubya: yeah
[05:47:32] kdubya: they told me that too
[05:47:35] kdubya: in the press release
[05:47:36] defaultro: cool
[05:47:39] kdubya: heh
[05:48:06] defaultro: do you think u.s. online store will sell that card?
[05:48:08] Tanthrix: I wish they'd post some pictures. It would do much in the way of increasing my lust for this card.
[05:48:21] Tanthrix: Or USB dongle, as the case may be.
[05:48:32] kdubya: im sure you will be able to get it online as soon as you can get it in stores... if not sooner
[05:48:51] defaultro: i bought a small piece of device that makes my crt projector kinda like HDCP compliant :D from taiwan
[05:49:16] Tanthrix: defaultro: It's a CRT? Why not just do component?
[05:49:29] defaultro: component will not allow me to upconvert DVD
[05:49:38] Tanthrix: Oh, right.
[05:49:41] defaultro: it downgrades it to 480p
[05:49:52] kdubya: I want pictures too
[05:49:52] Tanthrix: Not if you have a good player ;)
[05:49:58] defaultro: yep
[05:50:03] Tanthrix: What's the name of that company that makes those really nice ones...I forget now
[05:50:07] defaultro: i love my A2, it does good upconversion
[05:50:17] defaultro: which one?
[05:50:39] Tanthrix: Oppo, that's right.
[05:50:47] defaultro: yeah, i heard about oppo
[05:51:02] Tanthrix: http://www.oppodigital.com/
[05:51:06] defaultro: but the best upconversion player that was tested by HQV was XA2
[05:51:12] Tanthrix: Supposed to be the best of the best for everything
[05:51:18] defaultro: oppo was third
[05:51:28] defaultro: along with ps3
[05:51:35] Tanthrix: Oh really?
[05:51:48] defaultro: from what I've read on avsforum
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[05:52:19] Tanthrix: Interesting.
[05:52:30] Tanthrix: Unfortunately for me, I hate having to put discs in, so I rip everything.
[05:52:41] Tanthrix: Which means I have to put up with god awful software deinterlacing
[05:52:43] defaultro: http://www.hqv.com/news/soundandvision1.cfm?C . . . KEN=35965117
[05:52:53] defaultro: gotcha
[05:53:00] ** Tanthrix years for an deinterlacter that could even do 2/3rds of what is Aquos can do **
[05:53:04] Tanthrix: yearns, that is.
[05:53:07] defaultro: so XA2 was number 1
[05:53:13] defaultro: that's why I want to get this player
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[05:53:55] Tanthrix: Hopefully has more people start getting better TVs we'll start to see better software deinterlacing
[05:54:04] Tanthrix: It's starting to happen with myth a bit, I've noticed
[05:54:14] defaultro: yeah, I wish we can have a really good sofware deinteracing in linux
[05:54:23] defaultro: really
[05:54:26] defaultro: ?
[05:54:39] Tanthrix: Aye, trunk has yadif and greedy now
[05:54:40] defaultro: I compared my A2 and Mythtv both at 1080i
[05:54:58] defaultro: the A2 provides crisper sharper than my linux
[05:55:09] Tanthrix: None of them can even remotely touch what my Aquos LCD can do. Not even close.
[05:55:17] Tanthrix: And I've tried every single deinterlacer that mplayer can do.
[05:55:24] defaultro: and it's soft
[05:55:38] defaultro: but it's awesome
[05:56:43] kdubya: are there software deinterlacers for windows that are better than the hardware ones?
[05:56:54] Tanthrix: No real time ones as far as I know
[05:57:07] kdubya: Gay.
[05:57:27] Tanthrix: There are a few uber expensive ones for doing encoding and stuff, but I've never come across any real time ones that did a good job.
[05:58:51] defaultro: the only good thing in windows, not sure if it's really good is that, commercial companies like Nvidia provide PureVideo drivers which aren't in linux world
[05:58:55] Tanthrix: I think if I stumbled upon some great deal of money my first order of business would be to sponsor an open source software deinterlacing contest.
[05:59:04] defaultro: ah
[05:59:10] CCFL_Man2: onder if deinterlacing is done on a mac mini
[05:59:12] defaultro: that's what they did with x264
[05:59:16] Tanthrix: PureVideo didn't pass my TNG test, even in the least.
[05:59:34] defaultro: there were 4 codecs that joined the contest and x264 was the winner
[06:00:19] defaultro: man, i love x264. I just converted a 1920x1080 using libx264 and shrunk it down to 512x288, it is still very sharp
[06:00:39] defaultro: i didn't ssee any artifacts
[06:00:50] bsdfox__: yes x264 rules
[06:00:54] Tanthrix: I played around with making some x264 rips from a dvd, and I wasn't too happy. I couldn't get an identical copy no matter how hard I tried.
[06:01:03] defaultro: Tanthrix, what you are planning is awesome
[06:01:04] Tanthrix: (Where identical == mostly identical)
[06:01:19] russK: need help with channel changing ... i have lirc working with my dish network box .... but ...
[06:01:29] defaultro: let me put an online mp4 file. You should use vlc to play it
[06:01:42] Tanthrix: defaultro: What I'm planning?
[06:01:50] russK: 'up' and 'down down change channel for me, only typing in the number changes channel
[06:02:23] russK: sorry, that's 'up' and 'down' don't work
[06:02:36] kdubya: did you hit 'enter' afer you pressed up?
[06:03:00] russK: nope, didn't think of that ... thanks!
[06:03:14] defaultro: Tanthrix, the software deinterlace contest you mentioned :) short time memory loss
[06:03:18] kdubya: what seriously?
[06:03:28] defaultro: http://restricted.dyndns.org/HeroesAC2.mp4
[06:03:32] defaultro: check that out guys
[06:03:52] defaultro: it's 512x288. I just tried it a while ago. I'll put it to my Ipod Touch
[06:03:53] Tanthrix: defaultro: Oh, right, heh. Don't hold your breath though – unless I stumble upon a chest of gold in my backyard it ain't gonna happen. ;)
[06:04:04] defaultro: :D
[06:04:12] kdubya: heh
[06:04:21] kdubya: that barely plays in quicktime under windows
[06:04:24] defaultro: i played that mp4 file on my ipod, man, it's very beautiful
[06:04:28] kdubya: guess thats not what its for though
[06:04:33] Tanthrix: defaultro: That looks damned nice.
[06:04:37] defaultro: yes
[06:04:54] defaultro: i used -vcodec libx264
[06:04:58] defaultro: on ffmpeg
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[06:05:35] defaultro: kdubya, yeah, quicktime player sucks
[06:05:39] defaultro: vlc rocks!
[06:05:55] CCFL_Man2: quicktime ftl
[06:06:06] defaultro: what's l again
[06:06:16] Tanthrix: VLC is ok....pretty crappy settings UI though.
[06:06:31] defaultro: what player did you use
[06:06:53] Tanthrix: Me?
[06:06:55] defaultro: yep
[06:06:58] Tanthrix: VLC
[06:06:59] Tanthrix: ;0
[06:07:02] defaultro: :)
[06:07:05] Tanthrix: Er, :)
[06:07:14] blkorpheus: using vlc now
[06:07:21] defaultro: right now, it's transcoding the complete heroes program
[06:07:22] Tanthrix: Not sure what ;0 means. Winking eye agape mouth maybe?
[06:07:23] blkorpheus: its great
[06:07:27] defaultro: hahaha
[06:08:30] defaultro: aight guys, i'll see you later
[06:08:46] defaultro: iamlindoro, again, awesome wiki!!! I will try it one of this days!!!
[06:08:53] defaultro: Goodnight Tanthrix
[06:09:00] iamlindoro: defaultro: Great! Enjoy when you do!
[06:09:01] iamlindoro: night
[06:09:02] Tanthrix: G'night.
[06:09:06] defaultro: yep
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[06:17:46] iamlindoro: This doesn't work yet but when it does we will really be cooking with gas: http://www.decrypthd.org/
[06:18:19] iamlindoro: Between that and getting the audio codecs into ffmpeg SVN, we would have a fully functioning blu-ray/HD-DVD system
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[06:27:59] Kazuhiro: iamlindoro, so there are no road blocks with getting keys now?
[06:28:18] iamlindoro: Kazuhiro: For HD-DVD/Blu-ray?
[06:28:25] Kazuhiro: yeah
[06:28:48] iamlindoro: Kazuhiro: Any AACS disc is easily decryptable now... BD+ is the only problem, and there are people working on it
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[06:29:37] iamlindoro: But most disks don't have BD+. All HD-DVDs and most Blu-ray discs are decryptable right now... there will be more BD+ disks soon but it should be defeated shortly
[06:29:59] iamlindoro: Just have to wait and see.
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[06:51:06] tcpsyn: is there a way to reverse the channels in the guide?
[06:51:19] tcpsyn: Mine are going from high to low, rather than low to high. it drives me crazy.
[07:09:23] tank-man: cheap solution, press ch.down instead of ch.up :)
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[07:13:48] _banyan: Hey, one other question. Did the mythfrontend ivtv tv-out thing ever get changed to work with 2.6.23?
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[07:13:54] Aval0n-: iamlindoro: you there?
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[07:26:39] mzb: hmm ... my preview images for recordings are not being redone after transcoding ... is there a setting for that somewhere?
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[07:37:15] CCFL_Man2: hmm..
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[07:37:43] CCFL_Man2: i wonder if they will broadcast 1080p
[07:37:49] CCFL_Man2: you think?
[07:38:01] blkorpheus: lol
[07:38:07] fryfrog: not for a long time on OTA in the US, it isn't part of the spec.
[07:38:20] CCFL_Man2: oh yeah
[07:38:24] fryfrog: maybe some SAT/Cable will do 1080p if demand is high enough, but i doubt that for a long time too
[07:40:01] CCFL_Man2: i doubt it, most headends can't process 1080p, and the satellite bandwidth is enormus
[07:40:21] CCFL_Man2: lots of bandwidth required, even mpeg4
[07:41:13] fryfrog: so there we go, unlikely to happen on cable, sat or ota :)
[07:41:20] CCFL_Man2: no tv station broadcasts in mpeg4
[07:41:36] fryfrog: at *some* point, we'll probably have like 10,000p and that is when they'll update standards :)
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[07:43:58] CCFL_Man2: these tvs have 1080p panels in them, only way to get 1080p content is hd dics
[07:44:43] hads: We have Mpeg4 broadcasts
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[07:45:13] CCFL_Man2: hads: not dish or directv
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[07:45:41] hads: Nope, Freeview
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[07:46:25] CCFL_Man2: that in the US?
[07:46:33] hads: No
[07:48:02] CCFL_Man2: in the us,the tv stations broadcast using digicipher II or dvb+powervu
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[07:58:45] CCFL_Man2: this dcII ird i got is pretty cool
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[09:03:20] DGnome: Norway went digital, skipped MPEG2 and went directly to H.264
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[09:03:39] DGnome: Sweden has h.264 broadcasts also
[09:03:45] DGnome: BBC is doing it
[09:03:53] DGnome: it's everywhere
[09:03:58] justinh: ahh the dreaded h.264 AVC
[09:04:14] DGnome: <3
[09:04:32] DGnome: I'd rather have h.264 than 1080i
[09:04:40] justinh: USA HDTV. up to 18mbits mpeg2. European HDTV. up to 18mbits h.264 AVC :D
[09:04:43] DGnome: 1080i mpeg2 that is
[09:05:06] DGnome: deinterlacing 1080i mpeg2 requires really alot of CPU
[09:05:21] DGnome: and no, bob2x does not do a good job
[09:05:40] justinh: deinterlacing with mpeg2 takes the same as deinterlacing with h.264
[09:05:55] justinh: DGnome: it does a _good_ job but not the _best_ job
[09:06:29] DGnome: GreedyH2x and Yadif2x do a good job, bob2x looks like ADHD/Epilepsy on progressive displays
[09:07:01] justinh: I still can't work out why broadcasters aren't pandering to progressive displays as much
[09:07:23] justinh: you can't buy a natively interlaced display for love nor money these days
[09:07:40] DGnome: mmhmm
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[09:07:59] DGnome: interlacing is a 50 year old thing
[09:08:32] DGnome: I just can't understand why interlacing is still with us
[09:08:45] DGnome: It's utter stupidity :/
[09:08:58] justinh: apparently it looks better for some kinds of content
[09:09:05] DGnome: ja
[09:09:14] DGnome: you get like 50/60fps output
[09:09:27] DGnome: and full resolution on static images
[09:09:31] justinh: thing is they forgot that the majority of displays will end up being progressive & undo the interlacing anyway
[09:09:47] DGnome: 720p is better than 1080i imho
[09:10:04] justinh: maybe at TV framerates it is
[09:10:35] justinh: every time I go to the cinema lately it takes ages to get used to the flickering jerkiness that is 24fps
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[09:11:40] DGnome: I'm so used to watching a mixture of 23.976, 24 and 25 fps all the way to 50/60 fps material
[09:12:10] DGnome: i don't really care what the framerate is, as long as it's not interlaced =P
[09:12:29] DGnome: it's like vhs, wouldn't even like to touch it with a stick.
[09:12:39] justinh: look at anything fast moving at the cinema. fast pans. mmm juddery
[09:13:09] DGnome: yeah
[09:13:26] DGnome: interlaced material with low bitrates is a whole other chapter
[09:13:40] DGnome: destruction deluxe
[09:13:47] justinh: USA HDTV == low bitrates :)
[09:13:59] DGnome: .fi sdtv == low bitrates
[09:14:16] DGnome: 3.2Mbit/s 576i MPEG2
[09:14:23] justinh: considering it's 4 times the res of DVD yet only twice the max bitrate using the same kind of compression. uhoh
[09:15:01] justinh: DGnome: 3.2Mbit/sec? you're lucky!
[09:15:46] DGnome: justinh: average
[09:18:29] opentrinity: hi..if i have to connect slave to master in master setup i have to write master local ip in all fields...right?....log of backend says that is unable to connect
[09:19:51] opentrinity: to make it work i have to set all 127.0.0.1
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[09:41:28] opentrinity: what means that i have no UPnP backend?
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[09:43:52] directhex: 127.0.0.1 is a loopback address – i.e. only works on a local computer
[09:44:37] directhex: to make a backend available on a network, you typically have to 1) alter mysql config to bind on a network address, not 127.0.0.1, then 2) alter mythtv-setup to make the backend work on a network address, not 127.0.0.1
[09:45:31] mchou: bah. That's too much trouble
[09:45:36] opentrinity: directhex i done what u say.....
[09:46:04] mchou: just make sure 1) is enabled and use mysql directly to mess with mythconverg settings table :)
[09:46:15] mchou: much faster
[09:46:33] mchou: and you get to find out in one glance what's wrong
[09:49:40] mchou: of course there might also be some massaging of mysql.txt too
[09:51:08] opentrinity: http://pastebin.ca/867314 this is backend log
[09:51:42] opentrinity: i try to learn from this page http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=SlaveBackendHowTo
[09:51:59] opentrinity: but doesn't work :-/
[09:52:35] mchou: that's the classic example of mysql not network enabled
[09:52:57] mchou: read the myth docs instead of some third party junk
[09:53:09] mchou: much less likely to lead you astray
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[09:54:07] mchou: mysql not network enabled is not really a myth problem anyways
[09:58:53] opentrinity: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 ---> i have exactly follow this doc but give me the same error
[09:59:29] opentrinity: the paragraph restrict to 192.168.1 network
[10:00:02] directhex: opentrinity, did you edit your mysql config and restart it?
[10:00:18] opentrinity: mysql.txt?
[10:00:25] directhex: erm, no?
[10:00:29] mchou: sigh
[10:00:32] mchou: no.
[10:00:35] mchou: mc.txt
[10:00:38] directhex: /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[10:00:46] mchou: yeah, that's it
[10:00:52] directhex: the bind-address line
[10:00:55] opentrinity: oh yes!
[10:02:20] opentrinity: i edit bind line and comment #skip-external-locking
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[10:05:34] opentrinity: mchou: so where is the problem?
[10:05:37] gandalfcome: I have a question for using xmltv: I am using the tv_de_grab_prisma. But after having grabbed theres no tv programme in the lisitngs. I think I need to specify the xmltv id's in mythweb for each programme. Do I need to do this before grabbing or after grabbing the data? thanks in advance
[10:05:39] justinh: doesn't knoppmyth have a wizard for doing that kind of thing anyway?
[10:06:13] opentrinity: justinh: (i have anormal installation of svn mythtv on debian)
[10:06:21] opentrinity: a normal*
[10:07:07] justinh: opentrinity: so why were you looking in knoppmyth docs?
[10:08:50] opentrinity: justinh: to learn more about...
[10:08:58] rooaus: opentrinity: Has this ever worked? Did you build from source using build-deps?
[10:09:08] opentrinity: yes
[10:09:23] rooaus: which question? :)
[10:09:29] opentrinity: all
[10:10:02] rooaus: ok
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[10:10:36] justinh: gandalfcome: you need to xmltvids in the channel table for mythfilldatabase to insert the relevant programme guide data in the right places
[10:10:43] justinh: *need to have*
[10:11:15] gandalfcome: justinh: So I need to run mythfilldatabase --manual, after I inserted the xmltvids?
[10:11:24] directhex: opentrinity, so you DID edit my.cnf and restart mysql?
[10:11:26] gandalfcome: or can I do this after the grabber ran?
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[10:12:05] justinh: gandalfcome: what good is there running mythfilldatabase _before_ the xmltvids are in the database? I just told you they have to be set for mythfilldatabase to insert the data
[10:12:23] ** justinh brings out the clue bat **
[10:12:33] gandalfcome: justinh: just wanted to make sure.
[10:12:34] opentrinity: OMG i got it!!!
[10:12:50] gandalfcome: justinh: thanks
[10:13:01] justinh: granted, if somebody actually bothered to write information in the mythtv wiki about configuring xmltv...
[10:13:12] rooaus: opentrinity: What was it?
[10:13:25] opentrinity: i found stupid error there was an bind-line in the end of my.cnf
[10:13:50] rooaus: cool, easy fix then.
[10:13:52] gandalfcome: yes I had a look there as well, but it tells you how to configure and compile xmltv but not how to setup mythtv with it.
[10:14:01] opentrinity: ...but in notebook i see tv divide in 2 and bad qality :-/
[10:14:11] gandalfcome: Is there a script that does the xmltv id assignment automatically?
[10:14:17] directhex: opentrinity, ati graphics?
[10:14:21] opentrinity: yes
[10:14:33] directhex: opentrinity, use a real graphics card
[10:14:39] directhex: opentrinity, ati isn't compatible with life
[10:14:41] opentrinity: ?
[10:15:13] justinh: gandalfcome: no sadly not. some xmltv developers are looking into ways of configuring xmltv with a wizard based on TV provider packages. so rather than configure it manually you'd just tell it who you get your TV from & it'll do the rest
[10:15:20] directhex: opentrinity, ati's drivers are inherently broken
[10:15:36] opentrinity: directhex the is a solution?
[10:15:49] directhex: opentrinity, nvidia, intel, via
[10:15:59] justinh: opentrinity: there's no way to solve the problem of ati graphics in laptops
[10:16:03] gandalfcome: opentrinity: use nvidia, I coped with ati for 2 years on linux and they do suck
[10:16:09] justinh: at least, not an easy way
[10:16:15] opentrinity: ...? but i have this card?
[10:16:16] gandalfcome: yes there is: buy another laptop
[10:16:24] opentrinity: :-/
[10:16:47] rooaus: opentrinity: Have you tried the the open source (radeon?) drivers?
[10:16:51] justinh: ati gets no love until they deserve it. feeding a few crumbs to the open source driver guys does not make them rock
[10:16:55] opentrinity: no..
[10:17:08] directhex: don't ati still have a "known issue" that their cards don't work with mythtv?
[10:17:11] opentrinity: i try the newest driver...
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[10:17:12] gandalfcome: justinh: I'll just call my dad and tell him to stop the grabbing and insert the tv id's manually. I hate remote administration :-)
[10:17:49] gandalfcome: justinh: bye
[10:18:05] justinh: opentrinity: from your description it might just mean you need to enable deinterlacing. you weren't very clear
[10:18:07] rooaus: might be worth a shot, I ended up buying a new laptop as the one I had wasn't supported by the open source drivers.
[10:18:38] justinh: I can't afford _a_ laptop let alone buy another one cos it isn't good with linux :-\
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[10:19:53] rooaus: justinh: Don't tell my wife... she needed a new one for work and I gave her mine and bought the new one. Told her the ATI graphics would be better with Sims2, that was enough to convince her ;)
[10:20:15] justinh: lol
[10:20:23] mchou: sigh.....
[10:20:28] justinh: my wife's laptop won't even boot linux
[10:20:36] mchou: no way
[10:20:45] mchou: how is that possible?
[10:20:52] justinh: not in a graphical mode anyway.
[10:20:53] rooaus: mmm, better clear scrollback now that I typed that.
[10:21:26] mchou: justinh: what dispay chip is on the laptop?
[10:21:29] justinh: some stupid old compaq thing. no idea what chipset the video is
[10:21:39] justinh: probably SiS or something equally lame
[10:22:12] justinh: then again it isn't the only machine in the house to refuse to boot an ubuntu livecd :)
[10:22:21] mchou: if it boots in text mode then linux boots :)
[10:22:31] mchou: lol
[10:22:41] justinh: yeah. I'll send my wife off packing lynx to check her email
[10:22:48] mchou: that's an ubuntu issue
[10:22:54] directhex: my wife's laptop runs linux fine
[10:22:57] justinh: ubuntu has issues?!
[10:22:59] directhex: g3 ibook
[10:22:59] justinh: :-O
[10:23:23] directhex: and her new desktop runs both ubuntu and the sims 2 perfectly, though not simultaneously
[10:23:37] mchou: justinh: there is no need to use lynx. mailx works just fine out of the box
[10:24:37] justinh: does it do hotmail & gmail?
[10:24:38] directhex: mchou, for webmail?
[10:24:42] mchou: openttd is lame
[10:25:19] directhex: so is freeciv, but at least the latte can be played without a small subset of original install cds
[10:25:33] mchou: gmail supports pop AND IMAP, so yes on both counts
[10:26:32] mchou: and for hotmail using something like getlive works great
[10:26:52] mchou: no need for stinking web interfaces for email
[10:27:18] justinh: don't reckon a commandline has a very high WAF though
[10:27:24] mchou: i.e. no ads and no stupid "signatures"
[10:27:39] justinh: she certainly won't see it as a step forward from windows 2000 :)
[10:27:58] justinh: type.. commands.. just to open programs? wtf is this?!
[10:28:11] mchou: pine would work too
[10:28:26] mchou: and that's no commandline
[10:28:47] mchou: gui thru aalib
[10:29:07] justinh: anyway, no. I like too much of an easy life at home. more time tech supporting is less time doing stuff I want to do
[10:29:15] mchou: well, I dont know if it actually uses aalib, but the concept is the same
[10:30:00] directhex: aalib is something else
[10:30:05] directhex: you're probably thinking ncurses
[10:30:25] mchou: I dont think pine uses ncurses
[10:30:30] directhex: Build-Depends: libncurses5-dev, libldap2-dev, libssl-dev
[10:30:35] justinh: aalib == fun but pointless ascii video rendering thingy
[10:31:09] directhex: i use ncurses for .NET development. it's an unpleasant toolkit
[10:31:21] mchou: lol
[10:31:31] mchou: like .NET isnt?
[10:32:03] directhex: no, i like c#
[10:32:19] directhex: it's much like java with the stupid extracted and discarded
[10:32:21] ** justinh sets up a filter to delete all win32 mythtv mail list traffic **
[10:32:28] mchou: lol
[10:32:50] mchou: "like java" is hardly an endorsement for a decent language
[10:33:32] directhex: i'd rather spend time tackling a task than tackling the language required to do that task. i don't want to fuck about managing memory manually, pissing with pointers, etc
[10:33:42] justinh: not this holy war again.....
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[10:35:03] mchou: google "java is the new cobol"
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[10:36:30] directhex: first hit is full of ".net > java" comments!
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[10:37:47] mchou: well, virtually any language is better than java from a developer productivity standpoint
[10:38:25] directhex: sun did a good job confusing java and java in peoples' minds
[10:38:38] justinh: hmmm. if subject contains "win32", delete it. run filter. no worky :(
[10:38:41] directhex: and java
[10:39:10] mchou: directhex: I dont understand what you mean
[10:39:29] mchou: sun confusing java and java??
[10:39:32] directhex: mchou, java the language, java the bytecode, java the JIT/VM
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[10:42:22] mchou: I'm totally serious, compare the lines of code necessary and "config" files rquired for various languages for a simple program and you'll quickly come to the conclusion java is for the birds
[10:42:31] mchou: required*
[10:43:07] mchou: not to mention client/server code modifications
[10:43:30] directhex: i'm almost afraid to ask. what would you advocate for rapid gui application development?
[10:43:47] mchou: python
[10:43:54] directhex: oh lord
[10:43:59] mchou: done it for JPL
[10:44:21] mchou: that's "rocket scientists" to you lay people
[10:44:40] mchou: and NOAA, no joke
[10:44:45] directhex: acting condescending makes you much cooler
[10:45:24] mchou: no condescention at all
[10:46:55] mchou: it's no accident if you google "rapid GUI development" ruby and python comes up on top
[10:47:41] directhex: someone wrote a book called "Rapid GUI Development with QtRuby"!
[10:47:46] directhex: of course it comes up top!
[10:47:59] mchou: lol
[10:48:11] mchou: rapid GUI programming then
[10:48:26] directhex: "Rapid GUI Programming with Python and Qt"
[10:48:35] mchou: you dont think ppl have written similar books for other languages?
[10:48:43] directhex: isbn 978–0132354189
[10:52:57] mchou: This sums it all up: http://www.archive.org/details/SeanKellyRecoveryfromAddiction
[10:53:20] mchou: so does this: http://oodt.jpl.nasa.gov/better-web-app.mov
[10:53:39] justinh: if a non-programmer can knock up a mythtv plugin in less than a week it can't be that hard
[10:54:13] mchou: the 2nd one is a bit more detailed and less tongue-in-cheek
[10:55:51] mchou: you'd be hard pressed to come up with a decent argument for using another language after watching the 2nd video
[10:56:27] mchou: at least for rapid prototyping and GUI development
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[10:59:59] ** justinh wonders what people would recommend for developing good looking GUIs rapidly :) **
[11:00:50] justinh: all the python stuff I've seen looked incredibly like a rapid prototype that never got finished
[11:02:01] mchou: justinh: you watch the 2nd video?
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[11:02:40] justinh: not watching any video here. the IT Gestapo will be around like a shot
[11:03:11] mchou: justinh: well, when you do get a chance, do check it out. Very informative
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[11:04:30] justinh: I'll never be convinced any programming language is any better than another if you know nothing about any language to speak of. The argument that python is the easiest for non-programmers to get into is tosh. I look at python code with the same amount of confusion as I do c++ code
[11:05:08] directhex: mchou, good arguments against java. except i'm not a java advocate, and most doesn't apply when talking about the .net framework
[11:05:41] visit0r: well, you can say that one cannot write as complex code as one can with c++ with its pointers and templates and whatnot. the language itself is simpler (smaller), I guess that's the point.
[11:05:42] mchou: justinh: dude, speak for yourself then. Most programmers are familiar with all those languages
[11:06:14] directhex: mchou, he is speaking for yourself – but you never do, you speak for everybody
[11:06:23] directhex: himself, rather
[11:06:52] mchou: directhex: that's a rather funny Freudian slip
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[11:07:28] directhex: mchou, i make punchline-destroying errors all the time
[11:07:55] directhex: mchou, still, you're arguing python>java when i never said java was something i'd use
[11:08:05] justinh: anyway if I want to continue to develop mythtv I don't think I'd get far trying to convince everybody to move all the GUI libs to python 'just to make life easier for me'. go with the flow, or don't go at all
[11:08:08] directhex: i spent my degree writing java, and dropped it like a stone subsequently
[11:08:17] mchou: directhex: dude, you see the 2nd video?
[11:08:38] justinh: so the point is rather flaccid in that context IMHO
[11:09:04] mchou: justinh: what context?
[11:09:25] directhex: 378 meg? christ
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[11:09:51] mchou: justinh: you havent checked out either video so you have no idea what I'm talking about
[11:10:09] mchou: directhex: dont understand the concept of streaming?
[11:10:17] opentrinity: ...i solve (partially i think) ati problem with addjust compression x0.9 now i see normal
[11:10:29] directhex: not when bitrate>bandwidth
[11:11:19] visit0r: justinh: right, the GUI is sometimes sluggish as hell even while being written in C++, so with Python it would probably be nightmarish.
[11:11:55] mchou: visit0r: hah, that's funny
[11:12:55] mchou: visit0r: you use any web apps from google recently?
[11:13:33] mchou: visit0r: they arent written in C++.
[11:13:58] visit0r: mchou: eh.. the point?
[11:13:59] justinh: anyway. how is ole mythpython doing these days? not heard any hype about it for ages
[11:15:15] mchou: mchou: thepoint is they are fast enough
[11:15:17] justinh: visit0r: noticed how slow G.A.N.T is when you have the opengl painter on? the alphapulse effect on the mythtv logo is what does it, it seems. needs some OMGoptimisation of a sort
[11:15:50] visit0r: mchou: I wouldn't compare a wep app GUI to this ;)
[11:16:09] visit0r: justinh: I don't even use the opengl painter
[11:16:10] justinh: why not? I mean some guy replicated the whole of mythtv in 38 lines of perl
[11:16:11] mchou: visit0r: what's meant by "this?"
[11:16:15] visit0r: justinh: :)
[11:16:48] visit0r: ok, I'll reimplement mythtv gui with java and create a servlet out of it, I hope it helps for the slugginess.
[11:16:59] visit0r: anyways, lunch time ->
[11:17:03] mchou: haha!
[11:17:20] justinh: visit0r: you mean if the whole app is slow, you won't notice how sluggish the screen updates are?
[11:20:13] directhex: visit0r, don't argue with mchou, because what he's arguing about isn't what you think it is – hence "google use python for webapps" is relevant when discussing myth's ui
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[11:21:04] mchou: directhex: what makes you think I was discussing myth UI?
[11:21:05] justinh: eew. I have some boards to modify. got to put sot23–5 size buffers in the way of some signals & the only way to get at them is by lifting an 0402 resistor pack
[11:21:18] directhex: mchou, <visit0r> justinh: right, the GUI is sometimes sluggish as hell even while being written in C++, so with Python it would probably be nightmarish.
[11:21:29] mchou: directhex: You were talking about C# and java.
[11:21:48] inkynoob: I'm looking for an RSS video / audio plugin for Myth ("vodcasts" and "podcasts"). I'm currently dumping videos on the backend with Miro, but Myth doesn't know about the meta data in the RSS feed itself
[11:21:50] directhex: mchou, i was talking about .net
[11:22:06] mchou: directhex: to which I said comparing any language to java is hardly an endorsement
[11:22:11] justinh: inkynoob: mythnews in trunk can work with video rss feeds
[11:22:36] justinh: inkynoob: only thing is AFAIK it can only download a video from a feed & then play it. no streaming. not AFAIK
[11:22:55] mchou: directhex:
[11:22:55] mchou: [02:32] <directhex> no, i like c#
[11:22:55] mchou: [02:32] <directhex> it's much like java with the stupid extracted and discarded
[11:23:09] directhex: mchou, and i said (correctly) that you're confusing java with java with java. you're also confusing c# with .net
[11:23:28] inkynoob: justinh: Hmm...I'd really like something that can download the videos to the backend, and then play them on demand. If it's all frontend, I don't think it'll work for my setup
[11:23:41] mchou: directhex: I'm not confusing anything. I was talking about programmer productivity
[11:23:59] siXy: inkynoob: theres an IPTV thingy if thats what you are after
[11:24:18] directhex: mchou, where you're arguing for python as a language?
[11:24:22] blackest: inkynoob: you can play videos off the backend with mythweb
[11:24:44] justinh: siXy: no this is for downloadables derived from rss feeds
[11:25:02] justinh: siXy: Miro used to be called democracy player
[11:25:04] mchou: directhex:
[11:25:05] mchou: [02:43] <directhex> i'm almost afraid to ask. what would you advocate for rapid gui application development?
[11:25:05] mchou: [02:43] <mchou> python
[11:25:13] siXy: didn't even know there were such things. live & learn i guess
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[11:25:34] inkynoob: blackest: I'm not having trouble playing the videos from the backend, I'm currently using mythvideo for that. I want to subscribe to video RSS feeds like the Homestarrunner video podcast
[11:25:43] mchou: directhex: If you need me to replay back every conversation you're certainly not wiggling very well
[11:25:58] inkynoob: but mythvideo just reads the filenames, and not the metadata from the RSS feed
[11:26:14] directhex: sigh
[11:26:19] justinh: inkynoob: if you're packing trunky mythtv try mythnews
[11:26:22] blackest: ah ok
[11:26:41] directhex: mchou, python as a language, or python as a framework? the distinction is important
[11:26:55] inkynoob: I don't quite know what 'packing trunky' means — you mean using SVN trunk?
[11:27:17] justinh: inkynoob: you could always make a script to parse the rss xml, download the video & stuff the metadata into mythvideo. wouldn't be too hard. then run it as a cron job :)
[11:27:23] mchou: directhex: dude, which part of "productivity" or "rapid GUI development" dont you grok?
[11:27:46] inkynoob: justinh: I'm considering it :-)
[11:28:00] inkynoob: if I can't find a pre-made plugin to do it for me
[11:28:05] mchou: directhex: considering you are the one who asked about "rapid GUI development"
[11:28:10] directhex: mchou, 1) you're arguing for python for rapid gui development using a video about webapps 2) you're wildly throwing terms around without comprehension of them
[11:28:34] directhex: why am i arguing with fucking mchou again? there's no point. it's a waste of brain cells
[11:28:53] mchou: directhex: is QT only for web apps?
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[11:29:50] directhex: right. ignore list. much better
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[11:31:26] mchou: directhex: funny when people like you run out of legitmate arguments you run for the ignore list
[11:35:33] opentrinity: why with ati card if i adjust compression to x0.9 i see correctly?
[11:36:22] opentrinity: ...only in one multiplex...if i want to see another mutiplex i have to restart mythtv and adjust comprsssion in that channel
[11:36:29] ** justinh enables the ati autoignore mode **
[11:36:55] directhex: justinh, ignore is a handy feature!
[11:37:47] Dibblah: I do my ignoring in wetware.
[11:38:27] directhex: i can't, unfortunately
[11:38:41] directhex: directhex@mortos:~$ echo 'print "hello world"' | ipy
[11:38:41] directhex: IronPython 1.0.2467 on .NET 2.0.50727.42
[11:38:41] directhex: Copyright (c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
[11:38:41] directhex: >>> hello world
[11:38:47] directhex: whoa, my productivity just skyrocketed!
[11:40:18] siXy: http://xkcd.com/353/
[11:43:50] ** DGnome got his 42" fullhd lcdtv today :) **
[11:44:14] DGnome: Now if I just could get HD-broadcasts...
[11:44:48] otwin: this is my all time favourite: http://xkcd.com/149/
[11:46:14] directhex: DGnome, get yerself an xbox or something!
[11:48:29] DGnome: directhex: PS3 on list of things to obtain :) appletrailers and other downloaded material will have to do so far
[11:49:01] directhex: DGnome, well, your options are 720p games on a ps3, or upscaled 720p games on a 360!
[11:49:07] directhex: oh, there's blu-ray too i suppose
[11:49:09] directhex: that should look nice
[11:49:24] DGnome: yessir
[11:49:33] DGnome: with 60Hz output from BluRay
[11:50:43] DGnome: this panel does pulldown on 24p material
[11:50:52] DGnome: which generally sucks
[11:51:37] DGnome: but it's perfect for me :)
[11:53:09] rooaus: Anyone running latest trunk (mutlirec)? Do you still get the 'All tuners are busy, select a recording" when entering LiveTV with all tuners recording? Seems borked here.
[11:54:31] DGnome: rooaus: do you have any virtual recorders available for watching tv?
[11:55:36] DGnome: rooaus: how many recordings do you have running and how many recorders have you configured per tuner?
[11:55:42] rooaus: Should have, set 4 per tuner with 1 recording on each tuner.
[11:56:04] DGnome: hmm... what does your mytbackend.log say?
[11:58:52] rooaus: Maybe it is a corner case that is yet to be ironed out, there are still some issues determining available virtual recorders etc I think.
[11:59:30] opentrinity: the problems are never alone: now mythweb givs databse error :-/
[12:00:17] rooaus: DGnome: I think I will look into it tomorrow when the box isn't busy.
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[12:04:04] DGnome: rooaus: i've only gotten the backend to crash when utilizing all virtual recorders but no problems like you describe
[12:05:18] opentrinity: from what depend the problem of mythweb?
[12:07:35] justinh: anybody care to wager when we'll see the first person in here asking for help with a my sequel problem?
[12:08:07] rooaus: DGnome: Thanks, will try to test some more tomorrow.
[12:11:13] justinh: ROFLMAO @ the users list again. "When I watch QVC"
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[12:19:36] opentrinity: Anyone running the latest SVN and having/not having this issue with Mythweb? Mythbackend connects to the database just fine, but attempting to access Mythweb results in a long delay loading the page just to finally come up with "Database Error" in a white box. Does mythweb keep a log somewhere which might shed some light on this? I looked for one, but I was unable to find it.
[12:23:52] siXy: opentrinity: you can start the backend with various amounts of logging
[12:23:59] siXy: mythbackend --help for more
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[12:57:41] Floppe: oooh
[12:58:01] siXy: back :)
[12:59:01] siXy: 30 minutes is longest one this year i think
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[13:00:43] justinh: the list of dvb-t tuners on sale which work in linux seems to be dwindling
[13:02:20] directhex: or not updated often
[13:02:23] directhex: one or t'other
[13:04:58] justinh: people never tend to get in touch to say stuff works do they?
[13:05:11] directhex: nope
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[13:05:25] directhex: only breakages ever get moaned about. success is silent
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[13:05:47] directhex: directhex@mortos:~$ true || bitch and moan
[13:05:47] directhex: directhex@mortos:~$
[13:06:10] opentrinity: ...for the netsplit i paste
[13:06:16] opentrinity: Anyone running the latest SVN and having/not having this issue with Mythweb? Mythbackend connects to the database just fine, but attempting to access Mythweb results in a long delay loading the page just to finally come up with "Database Error" in a white box. Does mythweb keep a log somewhere which might shed some light on this? I looked for one, but I was unable to find it.
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[13:08:04] directhex: opentrinity, edit /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to update your mysql server address
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[13:08:38] opentrinity: previously done
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[13:10:10] rooaus: opentrinity: Try the apache error logs.
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[13:14:24] opentrinity: rooaus: http://rafb.net/p/jlbgGQ91.html --->?
[13:18:05] opentrinity: there are no error from apache
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[13:25:28] justinh: are all their servers operated over consumer ADSL or something?
[13:25:36] mzb_d800: not happening on all channels
[13:25:41] justinh: or is it just an awful lot of ass-hats trying to cause disruption?
[13:25:53] mzb_d800: prob. just one ;)
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[13:26:32] jduggan: i saw a global message yesterday about scheduled downtime
[13:26:36] justinh: getting what we pay for
[13:26:51] jduggan: (13:48) [freenode] -christel(i=christel@freenode/staff/gentoo.christel)- [Global Notice] Hi all! Just to let you know that there is scheduled maintenance taking place tomorrow; Monday 21st between 1200 and 1400UTC — affected servers will be zelazny and niven and we encourage you to server hop prior to the downtime! Thank you for using freenode and have a great day!
[13:27:06] mzb_d800: anyone got any bright ideas on how I can make an lirc receiver "go blind" while I'm transmitting IR ?
[13:27:26] justinh: mzb_d800: oops
[13:27:55] justinh: shouldn't be a problem if the code you send out isn't code the receiver is looking for
[13:28:11] mzb_d800: err ... yes ... that's the issue ;)
[13:28:21] justinh: so don't do that then
[13:28:21] mzb_d800: (kind of)
[13:28:23] justinh: easy
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[13:28:35] mzb_d800: hmm
[13:28:55] mzb_d800: at least, I _think_ that might be part of it
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[13:29:13] mzb_d800: I get to a certain stage of automation ... and then it all falls apart :|
[13:29:27] justinh: if you're trying to use a TV remote control with lirc, and get something to send tv remote control codes to the TV... er.. I wouldn't have said that was the best plan in the whole world
[13:29:41] siXy: mzb_d800: i'm guessing you have several remotes and one appears to interfere with myth?
[13:30:09] justinh: siXy: bit more involved than that. some might say crazy
[13:30:18] mzb_d800: eg: TV button on the leadtek remote .... amp mutes, amp to TV, STB to favourite channel (for day, time of week), select ch 9 on VCR, unmute amp
[13:30:38] mzb_d800: yeah, like justinh said ;)
[13:30:44] siXy: mzb_d800: eeep. for that by a logitech harmony tbh
[13:30:49] siXy: buy*
[13:30:51] mzb_d800: nah
[13:31:12] mzb_d800: that'd be more $ than I've spent on the whole setup ;)
[13:31:26] siXy:
[13:31:35] justinh: mzb_d800: are you using a big random IR blaster just going out into the room generally?
[13:31:48] justinh: siXy: they are not £20
[13:31:48] mzb_d800: changed that plan slightly
[13:32:11] mzb_d800: I have 2x IR LEDs ... one faces down, the other into the room
[13:32:28] siXy: justinh: thats what we payed for our 5XX one
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[13:32:50] siXy:
[13:32:51] mzb_d800: there _IS_ a chance that some of the effects I'm seeing are reflections being cued ... but I doubt it
[13:32:56] justinh: siXy: really? how much of a PITA is it to set up? can you get by without the ducking stupid macros?
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[13:33:13] mzb_d800: actually ... totally discard the reflection idea :|
[13:33:32] justinh: mzb_d800: more localised emission would be way better
[13:33:39] justinh: for an an IR LED costs...
[13:33:40] siXy: yeah we don't use the macros at all, just have devices. it was stupidly easy to set up, although much easier if you have a winbows box
[13:33:57] siXy: they have a (ghastly) interface that does it all – you just select what devices you have from a vast list and off it goes and does it
[13:34:04] justinh: * for all an IR LED costs
[13:34:13] mzb_d800: I can always cover the outer-facing LED for testing
[13:34:20] opentrinity: an error in mytweb of database i due to only to db? apache seems to be right...infact i give an access password and it works
[13:35:04] justinh: siXy: where'd you get yours from?
[13:35:36] justinh: wouldn't mind paying £25 for one & then finding out it's a PoS rather than the > £50 most places want
[13:35:44] siXy:
[13:35:56] mzb_d800: justinh: I know you don't "do" blogs, but my personal record of the transmitter is here: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=85
[13:35:58] justinh: there's FA information about the details of how it works in real terms
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[13:36:17] justinh: mzb_d800: pros doing HA don't generally use room emitters
[13:36:23] mzb_d800: (along with a slightly old version of the IR database script in progress ... which is now a lot better)
[13:36:36] mzb_d800: hmm
[13:36:39] justinh: there's a good reason for that
[13:36:51] mzb_d800: serial would be nice, if I had it
[13:37:05] mzb_d800: I'm just using what's available
[13:37:41] justinh: just lie a wire around the room & connect it to the myth box, then install linuxmce on it. when it all doesn't just work 'as if by magic' sue their ass
[13:38:17] mzb_d800: heh ... no thanks ... had a look at it ... way over the top for what I want ... and too power hungry ;)
[13:38:22] justinh: "your video said hey look, it's automagically detected all my stuff & made it work as if it read my mind" :P
[13:38:25] mzb_d800: the fact that I can get great results at times gives me hope ;)
[13:38:33] jduggan: wow that is one old ass looking tv
[13:38:34] jduggan: ;)
[13:38:34] siXy: justinh: although to be fair professional HA equipment aint cheap
[13:38:48] justinh: IR LEDs are dirt cheap
[13:38:54] siXy: even old& dirty X10 is expensive
[13:38:56] justinh: 2 core wire is dirt cheap
[13:39:07] mzb_d800: pfft ... that's a young one ;) ... only 35yo (ish)
[13:39:19] justinh: the 10 in X10 stands for the baud rate IIRC
[13:39:26] mzb_d800: (I also have a spare ... same size, similar chassis)
[13:39:39] mzb_d800: (100% working ... just nowhere to put it;)
[13:39:47] jduggan: not planning on joining on the LCD age? :o
[13:40:03] mzb_d800: got two LCD's ... but not for TV
[13:40:05] justinh: somebody's working on DMX over power lines. that'll rock
[13:40:08] siXy:
[13:40:17] mzb_d800: got an RPTV downstairs (too big for the lounge)
[13:40:19] justinh: jduggan: LCDs aren't worth jack right now
[13:40:33] justinh: they can't hold a candle to CRT yet
[13:41:01] mzb_d800: and a big old 69cm does a pretty good job (tuned by a pro)
[13:41:09] justinh: so they're 720p or 1080p. big wow. where's the darkness, the contrast & the response time?
[13:41:38] mzb_d800: (iow: skirts on netball girls don't look right;)
[13:41:46] directhex: justinh, response isn't an issue anymore. darkness there are models out there which do astonishingly well
[13:41:57] siXy: response time is a dead issue on the decent ones – but black levels and colour reproduction are both big issues
[13:42:03] justinh: directhex: for under a grand?
[13:42:13] mzb_d800: still awful compared to a CRT ... regardless of the reason(s)
[13:42:16] justinh: my inlaws' sony has 3 colour settings. totally unreal, unreal & ugh
[13:42:23] jduggan: lol
[13:42:27] siXy: yeah the sonys are old and mostly rubbish
[13:42:37] justinh: brand new model 37" bravia
[13:42:44] siXy: panasonic do a half-decent 32" one for reasonable money
[13:42:51] justinh: it's not awful but I wouldn't have bought it
[13:43:06] siXy: yup, but the engine in it needs an update. its far behind its ocmpetitors
[13:43:38] justinh: philips sets have looked the best so far but reviews tend to pan them for response
[13:43:39] siXy:
[13:43:58] justinh: I also don't want my next TV to be pulling half a kilowatt thanks
[13:44:06] mzb_d800: still not real black though .. right/
[13:44:07] mzb_d800: ?
[13:44:21] siXy: personally i prefer the panasonics & smasungs over the phillips – but lots of it is just that – personal preference
[13:44:23] justinh: mzb_d800: no still not real black
[13:44:35] siXy: mzb_d800: no. but on the highend sets its damn close
[13:44:51] mzb_d800: that's important to me ... I've been spoilt with colour since ... err ... 1972 (???)
[13:45:03] mzb_d800: and black *must* be black
[13:45:09] justinh: same here
[13:45:21] siXy: the best pioneer plasma 50" one you can watch in a dark room and not notice that its a digital screen – no noticeable 'glowy' blacks
[13:45:31] justinh: I can forgive poor PSU regulation & slight geometry defects but black _has_ to be black
[13:45:58] justinh: B&O TVs are slightly over-engineered that way. they regulate the HT supply
[13:46:00] siXy: if you have the money its worth looking a at least. it is very very good at black levels
[13:46:23] siXy: triumph of style of substance imo :) for their digital screens anyway
[13:46:23] justinh: siXy: there's a Pioneer plasma for over £3000 & it doesn't even do 1080p
[13:46:40] siXy: justinh: sounds about right
[13:46:49] siXy: but you get what you pay for, as always
[13:46:56] justinh: don't think you do
[13:46:59] mzb_d800: heh ... and here I am ... (until recently) holding onto my first TV, a B&W because colour TV's aren't as nice to watch B&W movies on :))
[13:47:09] justinh: not automatically anyway...
[13:47:26] mzb_d800: most expensive TV I ever bought ... cost me $2
[13:47:32] directhex: justinh, check the pioneer kuro series
[13:47:43] justinh: and people say the Scots are tight! jees
[13:47:47] mzb_d800: :)
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[13:48:03] justinh: directhex: it was a model in the kuro range I was talking about
[13:48:21] mzb_d800: iirc I was about 14 ... so I had *no* budget
[13:48:51] CNU: i got an ADS Tech Instant TV PCI tv-card and wanted to use the remote control. found a patch here ( http://tfpsly.free.fr/Files/Instant_TV_PCI_remote/ ) and edited it to work with my 2.6.23-gentoo-r4 kernel. problem is that it types ^@ to my terminal all the time, making it impossible to login etc. anyone know how to disable this? (it works nice in X)
[13:49:08] ** siXy guesses framegrabber **
[13:49:14] siXy: :)
[13:49:19] justinh: ther we are. kuro 50" plasma from Pioneer. native res.. oh wait this site says it _is_ 1080p. not what JohnLewis' website said. derrr
[13:50:00] mzb_d800: anyway ... forgot I left woman on the boil ... better go and wake her up so she can squirt hot gel in my eye (a really fun experience)
[13:50:02] mzb_d800: gnite all
[13:50:05] siXy: CNU: anyway, you might have more luck in #gentoo
[13:50:13] justinh: TMI
[13:50:22] siXy: nn
[13:50:29] CNU: siXy: tried there yesterday. but it's not really a gentoo related problem or?
[13:51:54] siXy: CNU: its not really a #mythtv question either. you need to use lirc for mythtv really
[13:52:03] justinh: when is all this "ACME TV card.." madness is going to end.
[13:52:06] CNU: siXy: i use lirc for the remote :>
[13:52:22] siXy: CNU: doesn't appear that way from your link
[13:52:24] CNU: it seemed to work with lirc in X atleast
[13:52:29] siXy: "Linux sans Lirc"
[13:52:42] CNU: next line
[13:52:44] CNU: Linux et Lirc
[13:52:45] CNU: :>
[13:52:46] siXy: my $foreign aint great, but i think that means without lirc
[13:52:48] opentrinity: ...sorry but i don't understand why i have mytweb error (databse error) and mythbackend and frontend don't gives errors...where i can find some useful news?
[13:52:55] justinh: #mythtv-users – twinned with #lirc since when exactly?
[13:53:06] CNU: justinh: since i joined
[13:53:12] CNU: but it's not a lirc issue either so :ø
[13:53:14] CNU: :p
[13:53:58] siXy: i love it when users arbitarily decide that that the problem is nothing to do with an integral part of what they are doing
[13:54:09] justinh: ok then. I recorded a tv show with mythtv the other night & found it to be less than enjoyable. is that a bug?
[13:54:23] raceme: I'm trying to evaluate the wintv nova-t-500 (pci dual tnt tuner)... It seems to work ok except that eventually one of the tuner die until i rmmod/modprobe the driver again... any hint about that ?
[13:54:37] justinh: raceme: you need a newer version of the driver
[13:54:37] siXy: hmm. file a bug report with the bbc? :)
[13:54:43] directhex: raceme, upgrade your kernel lots
[13:54:47] raceme: justinh: if i were you i would report it as critical
[13:55:48] justinh: btw deleting Torchgay by accident wasn't enough to prevent it being watched last night. damn friends of hers with dvd recorders. grrr
[13:55:55] siXy: oh and it looks like you are doing some insane hackery with /dev/input. stop that and use it properly. wiki.mythtv.org.
[13:55:56] raceme: justinh , directhex : it's ubuntu gutsy... I think the kernel is not too old.. I'll check version... what about the firmware ?
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[13:56:13] justinh: raceme: 'not too old' on gutsy? heheheheh
[13:56:14] directhex: raceme, i'm sure you know best
[13:56:29] justinh: think 2.6.26 or so. and newer
[13:57:45] raceme: justinh: 2.6.22–14 vs 2.6.23–14... not so bad :) Ok 'ill check changelog
[13:57:49] CNU: siXy: was that for me?
[13:57:54] siXy: yes
[13:58:05] CNU: mkay, thanks ^^
[13:58:22] justinh: MNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG all this time I've been pissing about with this stupid unit, and its HDMI outputs are wired wrongly inside. One is two and two is one
[13:58:32] siXy: better to follow official howtos first, random blogs second, third or ideally not at all
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[14:06:49] opentrinity: directhex have u any suggestion :-/
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[14:08:50] raceme: latest stable version is 2.6.23.14 / latest prepatch is 2.6.24-rc8 ... non 2.6.26 :)
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[14:11:45] justinh: hey far be it from me to tell you that the best driver support for your card is in a newer kernel than what comes with your distro
[14:14:02] raceme: justinh: i was just wondering where to find a 2.6.26 :)
[14:14:28] siXy: raceme: #ubuntu maybe?
[14:14:37] raceme: anyway it seems there is no workaround because it is a hardware problem: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7986
[14:18:23] Dibblah: raceme: Not quite true, AFAIK.
[14:18:31] justinh: raceme: you won't be the last person to buy hardware for linux before doing your research, that's for sure
[14:18:55] Dibblah: Patrick posted another patch / firmware rev which solved the disconnect issue for some more cases.
[14:19:16] raceme: justinh: I made my research but as it taggged as "working" no myth wiki (except for the diversity version) i supposed that was sufficient
[14:19:48] Dibblah: dib0700-start-streaming-fix.patch
[14:19:51] raceme: Dibblah: is there a location to follow the situation ? (find firmware and patch) ?
[14:20:16] Dibblah: 08/01/08 09:29, linux-dvb mailing list.
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[14:20:25] opentrinity: justinh: a little help?
[14:21:03] Dibblah: opentrinity: What error are you getting exactly?
[14:21:26] Dibblah: (And how exactly do you have an "open" trinity? )
[14:21:46] opentrinity: Dibblah: when i open mytweb in my browser i have database error...but all mythtv functionos works
[14:21:57] justinh: Dibblah: that bird off of The Matrix. open
[14:22:05] Dibblah: Ick.
[14:22:17] Dibblah: opentrinity: First time setting up Mythweb?
[14:22:28] Dibblah: And which "Database error"
[14:22:32] justinh: geeks & chicks in pvc catsuits
[14:22:53] opentrinity: no...but this morning i set master and slave (they works)
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[14:23:32] Dibblah: opentrinity: Just think about what you changed.
[14:23:45] Toxicity999: Meh... I think the new legacy driver is what's making myth freeze all the time.... looks like I'll have to try NV
[14:23:45] Dibblah: Did you move the master backend to another machine?
[14:24:02] opentrinity: ip...but i have changed in all file of mysql
[14:24:19] opentrinity: Dibblah: move? no
[14:24:25] Dibblah: And the configuration file in Mythweb...?
[14:27:50] opentrinity: Dibblah: mythweb.conf.apache ?
[14:28:14] Dibblah: Probably in /etc/apache/...
[14:28:49] Dibblah: Or /etc/httpd/conf.d/mythweb.conf
[14:29:03] opentrinity: Dibblah: in /var/www/mytweb
[14:29:05] Dibblah: Feel free to read the INSTALL and README...
[14:29:17] Dibblah: opentrinity: No. Feel free to read the documentation.
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[14:35:27] Toxicity999: so nvtv seems like a complete PITA
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[14:35:40] Toxicity999: and the nvidia version this card is locked at is lock up happy
[14:36:03] Toxicity999: though it worked fine with my other hardware *head scratch*
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[14:37:45] justinh: Dibblah: you mean to say that it doesn't automagically configure itself? for shame
[14:38:28] Dibblah: Well, with uPnP... ;)
[14:38:43] Toxicity999: hmmmm nvtv doesn't even see my tuner ><
[14:38:57] justinh: upnp in php? hmmm
[14:39:06] Toxicity999: er *encoder
[14:39:07] Dibblah: You never know...
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[14:41:06] mumrah: morning, all
[14:41:15] mumrah: what are my options for HD and mythtv
[14:41:36] justinh: we've been through this before
[14:42:18] mumrah: ?
[14:43:00] opentrinity: Dibblah: mv mythweb.conf.apache /etc/apache2/conf.d/mythweb.conf
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[14:43:52] enhancer: yawn, mornin kthx
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[14:46:21] opentrinity: Error at /var/www/mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php, line 172:
[14:46:21] opentrinity: Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=36, backend=37)
[14:46:40] opentrinity: now i got something new.....
[14:47:07] portahex: progress!
[14:47:14] opentrinity: is too strange i runsvn up for mythtv and plugins yesterday
[14:47:33] justinh: enter channel, ask vague question without giving too much info away. expect answer. seen it thousands of times now
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[14:48:27] Toxicity999: Alright... Plan B... nVidia 9639 drivers, NF4 MX420, the system freezes a *lot*, any thoughts?
[14:48:51] Toxicity999: Generally hardlocks
[14:49:10] siXy: file a bug report with nvidia?
[14:49:34] opentrinity: justinh: sorry, but i use linux and mythtv since a few months ...and english is a bit a problem ...i do my best sorry
[14:50:31] Toxicity999: siXy It's new legacy, undeveloped, good try though.
[14:50:39] otwin: opentrinity: your mythweb version is not the same as the backend – get the plugins at the same revision as mythtv and copy mythweb to your www root
[14:50:52] justinh: rofl. it was too much to expect the new front panel mouldings to come with holes for the USB ports
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[14:51:24] siXy: *shrugs* buy a new gfx card then
[14:52:26] justinh: from the HR dept who run a promo to 'cycle to work' when more than half the employees live more than 30 miles away, to a purchasing dept. who won't look a datasheet themselves, this place gets funnier every day
[14:52:28] opentrinity: otwin: yesterday i run svn up, ./configure --previous, make, mae install
[14:52:42] opentrinity: otwin: i have to do something else?
[14:52:43] Toxicity999: Hmmm seems there's on later versio that'll work with this card...
[14:52:50] Toxicity999: worht a try
[14:53:03] siXy: opentrinity: its important to run the same version on both the backend and frontend
[14:53:08] Dibblah: I'd cycle to work.
[14:53:20] Dibblah: But the GF doesn't allow my bike inside the house :(
[14:53:28] justinh: 30 miles each way? every day?
[14:53:36] opentrinity: siXy: i understand but ...i have svn upgrade at the same time what i have to do?
[14:53:49] Dibblah: Nah. 15 second commute.
[14:53:55] otwin: opentrinity: mythweb is part of mythplugins – what probably only updated mythtv, but not mythplugins
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[14:53:56] siXy: opentrinity: man svn
[14:54:13] justinh: lol. I forgot about your workplace
[14:54:44] siXy: working from home i would guess, either that or you should go for the tour-de-france
[14:55:15] opentrinity: otwin: yes in fact before give svn up i move to /mythplugins dir and do the same thingh i have previously done with mythtv
[14:55:36] justinh: I could do what I do all day working from home
[14:55:41] justinh: chatting on IRC, I mean
[14:55:54] otwin: opentrinity: did you copy mythweb from mythplugins to /var/www?
[14:56:24] opentrinity: no..this was my question...i have to do sometingh else..
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[14:57:46] otwin: opentrinity: you probably shouldn't use svn if you don't know (yet) the absolute basics
[14:58:32] opentrinity: otwin: now works but i want to understand...
[14:59:07] opentrinity: when i upgrade mythtv ...i don't move any directory...why for mythweb i had to do this operation
[14:59:41] otwin: opentrinity: because 'make install' copied the files for you
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[15:00:14] opentrinity: but i have done make install even for mythplugins
[15:00:54] Dibblah: Nice. "When I watch QVC (and other channels on this mux) I get very jerky playback"...
[15:01:04] Dibblah: Anyone spot the easy solution? ;)
[15:01:23] justinh: Dibblah: already thought of it. find out where they live & kill them
[15:01:35] portahex: is that the same mux as virgin1?
[15:01:41] portahex: i.e. is it the bitrate hopping issue?
[15:01:49] justinh: portahex: more than likely
[15:01:50] Dibblah: I was actually thinking of "don't watch QVC", but whatever floats your boat.
[15:02:00] justinh: Dibblah: natural selection
[15:02:14] opentrinity: otwin: ?
[15:02:25] justinh: course then it'll be "nah it's not me but my wife". "What?! and you're still married to her?"
[15:02:35] Dibblah: That's OK. At least males who watch QVC are self-selecting.
[15:02:50] Toxicity999: Well.... this time just mythfrontend froze, throwing me a curve ball.
[15:02:51] otwin: opentrinity: you should have read the docs / INSTALL file of mythweb...
[15:03:10] otwin: opentrinity: you need to install mythweb manually
[15:05:27] justinh: hmmm. our new dremel is very.. dremely
[15:08:48] opentrinity: tx * sorry ...i'll try to annoy you less than i can
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[15:13:44] Toxicity999: hmmm try to recompile myth and hope it was a compile issue.
[15:13:56] Toxicity999: *trying
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[15:46:12] justinh: huuuuuuuuuu. go assembly guys, go assembly guys! fix the pcb into the chassis with UNC 6–32 screws on m3 mounting studs
[15:46:36] justinh: effing muppetry of the highest order
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[15:48:09] at0m|c: hi, i've accidentally set "Paint Engine" to OpenGL on one of the frontends, and now the mythtv screen goes black. anyone know how to fix that frontend?
[15:48:24] justinh: make opengl work on it
[15:49:01] at0m|c: no other way? duh:]
[15:49:09] siXy: at0m|c: you can start it with painter=qt or somesuch
[15:49:22] siXy: mythfrontend --help
[15:49:23] justinh: or run mythfrontend with -O ThemePainter=qt
[15:49:29] at0m|c: siXy, sounds much easier, cheers!
[15:49:31] siXy: thats the bunny
[15:49:35] at0m|c: :D
[15:49:41] justinh: or mythfrontend --reset
[15:49:57] at0m|c: thanks gents
[15:50:58] siXy: waiting for dd's to complete has got to be in the top 10 least fun things to do
[15:52:18] justinh: course getting opengl to work involves using closed source drivers normally – heaven forbid!
[15:53:24] siXy: FOSS is the way, the truth and the light!
[15:53:47] justinh: fine, so long as it's monochrome & 2D :)
[15:54:37] justinh: one day open source will be victorious. I have to keep telling myself that
[15:55:05] siXy: :)
[15:55:52] justinh: if I say it enough times it _will_ become true, won't it?
[15:56:11] justinh: and they never kill little Bambis to eat in restaurants do they?
[15:56:16] siXy: if you blog about it enough, it will become true
[15:56:17] at0m|c: justinh, just had word from my friend, oss promotor in school: belgian minestry has signed exclusivity (?) contract with M$ in exchange for some reduced pricing and support
[15:56:29] at0m|c: he has to remove all gimp and ooffice now eh
[15:56:32] siXy: its the newfangled wikipedia-truth
[15:56:57] justinh: siXy: I think the word 'awesome' would be apt right now
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[15:57:36] at0m|c: couldnt believe my ears when he told me
[15:57:50] siXy: heh :D
[15:57:53] justinh: at0m|c: welcome to capitalism
[15:58:01] at0m|c: just as he was starting to convince his directors to use it...
[15:58:24] justinh: TCO with linux is much higher, cos we just slashed our own throats to get the deal
[15:59:01] justinh: it's a self-fulfilling propechy, see
[15:59:24] justinh: first you start out saying it without any evidence to back it up. if that doesn't work & get you where you want to be, make it a fact
[16:00:25] at0m|c: he can teach MS Paint now eh
[16:00:32] at0m|c: M$, according to same friend, is feeling hot breath of oss and is desperately trying to get a permanent foot on the ground
[16:00:43] at0m|c: it hurts eh
[16:01:13] siXy: hot and steamy i bet.
[16:01:18] justinh: I heard something a bit scary on the radio before xmas. presenter gets kids to ring in every day to talk about something they did for the very first time that day. this 7 year old rings up to day he'd given his very first ever powerpoint presentation. we're all doomed
[16:01:18] siXy: maybe puffing a little
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[16:02:23] portahex: if you MUSt listen to chris evans
[16:02:25] justinh: and I might once have dreamt this but I'm sure I remember seeing a guy with a laptop writing a PP doc on how to make effective presentations. slide 57 of 83
[16:02:26] defaultro: hey folks, any suggestions for a good demuxer?
[16:02:56] justinh: portahex: rather him that Bolton Slapper on Radio One
[16:03:06] portahex: he's ginger!
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[16:03:30] justinh: one day there'll be a cure for ginger-vitis
[16:04:13] justinh: portahex: sometimes radio4 is just too heavy going after a shit day at work (i.e. a day at work)
[16:04:14] siXy: doesn't bleach work?
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[16:05:48] ** portahex stabs another templar through the heart **
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[16:09:16] justinh: anyway Evans may be a ginner, but he's better than that sad f*ck they call Steve Wright
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[16:09:51] Toxicity999: Bah, these inexplicable crash/freezes are getting to me.
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[16:11:34] siXy: not tempted by chris moyles then justinh?
[16:11:57] justinh: talentless egotistical lard
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[16:12:22] justinh: had his day but now so far up his own arsehole it's not funny
[16:13:13] justinh: _way_ better than anything on commercial radio, don't get me wrong...
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[16:14:57] justinh: Scott Mills, now he's the man. Genuinely funny & not even just a little bit conceited
[16:15:04] siXy: yeah well commercial radio is a non-starter in the uk
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[16:16:05] siXy: i quite like both presenters, but its the 5-song playlist that i cannot stand
[16:16:11] justinh: and now.. the non stop hit mix :-\ No!!! make it stop!
[16:16:25] siXy: so i just have a large usb stick with a bunch of music on that i use instead
[16:16:34] justinh: siXy: that's what happens when you get consultants to take the place of creatives
[16:16:35] siXy: ewww :(
[16:17:13] siXy: yup. beaurocracy seems to be the main goal of the bbc
[16:17:21] justinh: no not the bbc
[16:17:26] justinh: commercial radio
[16:17:48] siXy: oh – i was referring to the radio1 playlist :)
[16:17:54] justinh: if you think R1 has repetition.. jesus
[16:18:13] justinh: samefivesongsallday.com takes you to www.emap.com
[16:18:37] siXy: :)
[16:18:48] justinh: I love radio, I just hate what it's become
[16:19:19] justinh: used to want to work in radio. then I had a fortnight work experience at a radio station. oh boy
[16:19:32] siXy: but even back in the day, the good radio stations were pirate jobs with variable reception
[16:19:32] CNU: siXy: i managed to patch my kernel so my remote only makes keypresses when i press buttons on it now \o/
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[16:19:58] justinh: <3 illegal transmissions :)
[16:20:50] justinh: some would even argue what you just said is still the case siXy :)
[16:21:53] siXy: there aren't any (well bar so-called urban things anyway) where i live sadly
[16:22:06] portahex: another one bites the dust
[16:24:23] justinh: bling bling bling eff emm.. cominatcha on yer dial innit man. yeah. shaaht gaaain ahht to the chav crew. keepin it real, aye?
[16:25:15] siXy: hopefully when my daughter grows up a bit she will be able to tell me what they are actually trying to say
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[16:29:43] justinh: cue Daily Mail horror story about 'yoof' developing an incomprehensible new lingo just to defeat 'da oldz man'
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[16:31:21] siXy: cockney v2
[16:32:18] justinh: siXy: thing is, its not just a london fing anymore
[16:32:36] siXy: yeah. the disease is spreading at an alrming rate
[16:33:04] justinh: like no kids have ever had their own words adults didn't understand
[16:33:12] siXy: saw an article in $randompaper that they are now going to install metal detectors in schools to try and stop kids bringing knives in...
[16:33:47] justinh: part of me thinks the whole knives thing is an exaggeration
[16:33:57] justinh: school I went to, knives were common
[16:34:14] justinh: there were plenty stabbings & slashings too
[16:35:03] siXy: yeah but society have got softer
[16:35:30] siXy: people #care a lot more
[16:36:03] justinh: ya. I mean our Tarquin wouldn't have dreamt of using the wrong fork at dinner. I really do despair
[16:36:24] siXy: lol!
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[16:38:20] justinh: I was talking to a teenage lad last week & got onto the subject of how he copes with all the pressure to conform at – he's a bright kid so sticks out like a sore thumb at his school. Just has to or else. Like I had to
[16:39:23] opentrinity: for ati users to solve video problems watching live tv set compression to x0.95 and works...(boh?)
[16:40:15] siXy: yeah, either go to a posh school or just live with it really
[16:40:46] siXy: wife is a secondary school teacher however, and the utter stupidity of so many of her pupils just astounds me
[16:41:39] justinh: such as?
[16:42:18] siXy: her year 11 students get basic addition wrong, and have to spend much of the lesson doing basic things like colouring shapes
[16:42:37] justinh: what's year 11 when it's at home?
[16:42:40] justinh: 16 year olds?
[16:42:58] portahex: yes
[16:43:01] siXy: thats the year they take their GCSEs at the end of
[16:43:02] portahex: 15–16
[16:43:03] siXy: so yeah
[16:43:22] siXy: and the scary thing is they are only second from bottom. there is actually a set below them.
[16:43:28] justinh: lol
[16:43:44] justinh: meet the chicken throttlers of tomorrow!
[16:44:56] siXy: hehehe :D
[16:45:13] justinh: just think what an advantage our own kids are going to have!
[16:45:27] justinh: I've started looking at it that way. much less depressing
[16:45:48] siXy: ah valid point :)
[16:46:43] justinh: we actually had a kid with A-levels start at work a while back. they wanted to move out & were wondering how they could find a phone number for a company that helps people find places to rent (whatever one of them is called)
[16:47:22] justinh: never mind wtf are they doing at school. wtf full stop!
[16:47:44] justinh: how do you get to 18 years old without knowing how to look up a phone number?
[16:48:12] justinh: understandable if you always get one of the 'staff' to do it of course but outside of that... yeesh
[16:48:30] jduggan: those chickens wont throttle themselves
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[16:49:08] siXy: wow... thats impressive
[16:49:11] Diabolic: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/119055 <- I get this error in 7.10 as well.
[16:49:23] justinh: people might get the wrong idea if you tell them you choke chickens all day, when they ask what you do for a living
[16:49:42] siXy: i know the value of degrees is being eroded, but i wouldn't employ someone without one or equivalent experience
[16:50:03] justinh: what would you call 'equivalent experience' ?
[16:50:11] jams: Diabolic- thats nice but it has nothing todo with mythtv
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[16:51:11] siXy: 2–5 years industry experience in $related_job
[16:51:33] justinh: yes it does. mythbuntu has 'myth' in its name
[16:52:22] justinh: siXy: ahhh. that said it's tricky to get aroud CV engines though
[16:53:14] jams: they have roomba's for cleaning gutters
[16:53:22] siXy: yes, they can be tricky. but if you ask them vaguely tough questions in the interview and the sit there and say 'umm...' i get a clue :)
[16:54:03] siXy: we had one a few months ago who had 5 years of linux experience but didn't know what tar was.
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[16:55:48] justinh: it's that stuff you put in roads
[16:56:27] justinh: siXy: blame live cds for that :)
[16:56:46] defaultro: justin, i need your help. :) I always forget that tool which allows us to capture the screen. I remember using it with -window root
[16:57:12] jams: import
[16:57:16] defaultro: bam
[16:57:23] siXy: heh :)
[16:57:27] justinh: I didn't know that :)
[16:57:42] defaultro: man, i always forget that filename
[16:57:50] justinh: I always use something else over a vnc session
[16:58:07] defaultro: import is nice, it supports png
[16:58:59] justinh: so does save as .. png
[16:59:48] justinh: I hear automatical screenshot scripts are what it's all about these days though ;)
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[17:00:02] defaultro: what is that
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[17:00:55] defaultro: justinh, i've tried mythxface last night and it's ok
[17:01:05] defaultro: i modified the upper/lower color gray though
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[17:01:30] justinh: I wouldn't write home about it, but then it isn't finished
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[17:02:17] justinh: and I can't think of any reason why there's a need for 2 of the same button images in the menus. one next to the button & one watermark. wasteful
[17:03:56] defaultro: i will check it later
[17:04:00] justinh: er... wtf is up with next door being logged?!?!?!?!
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[17:04:16] defaultro: here is what mine looks now, http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4226/mythtvij6.png
[17:04:20] justinh: #mythtv is logged privately but indexed by google
[17:04:33] defaultro: i don't like the light color gray
[17:04:40] defaultro: so i changed it
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[17:06:11] siXy: ah, but its ok. because google aren't evil. honest.
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[17:10:35] justinh: not so much that. this channel is logged & you can't fail to see that (unless you're stupid)
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[17:12:13] siXy: thats assuming a lot...
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[17:12:53] justinh: anyway, this channel proudly says it is logged. it's channel policy & out in the open
[17:13:33] iamlindoro__: Now if it were remotely possible to convince people to search said logs...
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[17:17:04] justinh: iamlindoro__: trying to invent a game based loosely on russian roulette where log reading / google is involved
[17:18:29] iamlindoro__: Tough to play since everyone claims to have done so. "I'm getting Error XYZ." "Did you Google?" "Yes, for like four hours!" Meanwhile the solution is in the first Google result.
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[17:25:23] defaultro: hey guys, who won the boxing, trinidad or jones?
[17:25:38] iamlindoro__: Jones
[17:25:40] iamlindoro__: by decision
[17:25:43] defaultro: oh
[17:26:03] defaultro: i was reading some threads and they said it was not a good fight. Is it?
[17:26:19] iamlindoro__: Jones pummeled Trinidad... was an okay fight, just one-sided
[17:26:23] Aval0n-: iamlindoro: hey man can you redirect me to that page with the mplayer results
[17:26:27] Aval0n-: and that mplayer string
[17:26:32] iamlindoro__: Aval0n-, sure
[17:26:35] Aval0n-: thnx
[17:26:39] defaultro: k
[17:26:44] justinh: I wouldn't enter a fight without knowing there was some degree of certainty I'd win
[17:26:53] justinh: have to be mad otherwise
[17:26:56] iamlindoro__: Aval0n-, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD_Playback_Reports
[17:26:59] Aval0n-: ty
[17:27:15] iamlindoro__: Aval0n-, Here's a new one I wrote that may be interesting to you: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/High_Def . . . Disk_Formats
[17:27:30] iamlindoro__: np
[17:27:34] alexvd: hell hath frozen over. I went to ubuntu channel and they actually helped me fix a problem that i have had for months. wooohoooo
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[17:28:08] iamlindoro__: Aval0n-, BTW, get the new version of the script from that page, it now does MKV bitrate calculation
[17:28:15] justinh: alexvd: you might've mis-typed #ubuntu
[17:28:25] iamlindoro__: as #gentoo?
[17:29:10] alexvd: justinh: i think it was because i asked about fancy effects and that of course everyone is an expert in :)
[17:30:03] justinh: ahh. frilly panties
[17:30:20] iamlindoro__: Hey now, everyone loaves a pair of frilly panties.
[17:30:23] iamlindoro__: er loves
[17:30:30] iamlindoro__: and maybe loaves too
[17:31:49] siXy: my loaves do not come with panties, inexplicably
[17:32:34] iamlindoro__: I think I'll forgo stratching tha euphemism :)
[17:32:38] iamlindoro__: er stretching
[17:32:41] iamlindoro__: fingers don't work today
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[17:33:34] iamlindoro__: justinh, I'm coming to the UK in May... anything to do in Edinburgh besides guzzle whiskey?
[17:33:42] justinh: fight
[17:34:02] siXy: and be cold
[17:34:09] iamlindoro__: I hope not terribly cold in May
[17:34:11] justinh: eat deep fried food, fight, guzzle wishkey, eat deep fried food, fight, fight, fight, drink, fight
[17:34:11] siXy: whilst the locals tell you its warm
[17:34:29] siXy: its further north than you would think, actually
[17:35:06] justinh: I've never been to Edinboro but people I've met from up that way told me about it
[17:35:32] iamlindoro__: siXy, btw, you were the one saying you would wait on libaacs to get into HD disk formats, weren't you?
[17:35:33] justinh: iamlindoro__: go to Newcastle Upon Tyne instead
[17:35:43] siXy: iamlindoro: no don't think so
[17:35:48] iamlindoro__: justinh, I have no choice, have to go to Edinburgh
[17:36:04] iamlindoro__: siXy, Ah, ok, thought that was you, my mistake
[17:36:34] siXy: nah i'm going to get me a blu-ray player when prices drop and leave it at that for HD. oh and freeset when i get around to it
[17:36:48] justinh: iamlindoro__: at least visit Newcastle if you can. Saturday night. Quayside bars. One of the most fabulous places on Earth
[17:36:49] siXy: HD-DVD looks ill commercially tbh
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[17:37:14] iamlindoro__: justinh, Noted. I think I may extend the trip to spend a little time bouncing around visiting
[17:37:54] iamlindoro__: siXy, That's for sure.. I think the last nail is just about in HD-DVD's coffin
[17:38:18] portahex: ill?
[17:38:22] ** justinh doesn't see a fat lady singing yet **
[17:38:23] portahex: twitching corpse tbh
[17:38:49] iamlindoro__: I think Universal will probably jump ship pretty shortly
[17:38:51] justinh: though tbh I don't think the non-upgradable early players will be that big of a deal
[17:39:24] justinh: early adopters deserve a smack in their fat wallets anyway
[17:39:30] siXy: i don't understand the obsession with getting it in linux. standalone player is going to be so much less work, and probably better quality too
[17:39:49] justinh: siXy: Freedom!
[17:40:04] siXy: heh :)
[17:40:11] justinh: and of course the ability to rip/share/download
[17:40:17] iamlindoro__: siXy, Meh, I wouldn't call it an obsession, but once the work is behind you it's awfully nice to pull up all your (my) Blu-Ray and HD-DVD movies in MythVideo
[17:40:22] justinh: but nobody ever admits that, strangely
[17:40:37] siXy: ell ofc not. has to be a 'noble' reason... :)
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[17:40:49] siXy: iamlindoro: don't fancy paying for all that storage space tbh
[17:41:04] siXy: although i admit it does look nice
[17:41:21] Aval0n-: when you to to settings/media settings/file types, is there a way I can just go into the DB and enter that same info?
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[17:41:24] iamlindoro__: siXy, Well you're right, it's a lot of space, but not *too* terrible once you remove the menus and extra features... the film itself runs between 12 and 32 GB
[17:41:31] Aval0n-: using the remote to type is beyond annoying
[17:41:38] Aval0n-: and I have no kb/mouse on it atm
[17:41:48] Aval0n-: i have phpmyadmin installed
[17:41:50] siXy: iamlindoro: they will get bigger once the audio tracks improve too
[17:42:16] justinh: this is really funny right, but on the BBC's Click at the weekend they covered CES again & highlighted some 'network connected media players to make use of videos you've downloaded from the internet'. Er.... are there many video download-to-keep services around yet? whatever could they be talking about?
[17:42:33] iamlindoro__: siXy, Every disk I have ripped recently already has an uncompressed 7.1 track, I don't imagine it will change too much from that
[17:43:14] siXy: there have been lots. most have gone bankrupt or been discontinued. apple-tv is one of the few left. and itunes ofc
[17:43:27] Aval0n-: hmm phpmyadmin isn't seeing mythconverg
[17:43:31] Aval0n-: I wonder whats up with that
[17:43:51] siXy: iamlindoro: ah maybe they've already changed over then
[17:44:01] justinh: gonna write in to Click & rant. they've been going on about the converged livingroom for effing ages. HELLO
[17:44:34] justinh: so it's a bit o work to make mythtv 'go'. can't be harder than making upnp devices see each other & play nice
[17:45:10] iamlindoro__: siXy, yeah, it's happened somewhat gradually... surprisingly all the Pirates of the Caribbean Blu-ray discs have immaculate video, but only AC-3 audio...
[17:45:41] justinh: I was at my sister's house on xmas night last year. she tried showing off xbox360 streaming from her pc. oops. reboot both. nope. reboot xbox, then reboot pc. nope. reboot pc, then start mediaplayer, then boot xbox360.. ahhh!
[17:45:42] siXy: iamlindoro: really? well heres hoping they get re-released by the time i buy a blu-ray player
[17:46:00] justinh: iamlindoro__: 'only' ac3. pfft
[17:46:21] siXy: well, DTS is noticeably better
[17:46:26] iamlindoro__: siXy, It's sometimes hard to tell, though... Blu-ray does some strange muxing... They mux two audio tracks into one PID in some cases, and it drives mplayer crazy right now
[17:46:35] siXy: don't care about >5.1, tho as thats all i have
[17:47:11] portahex: 7.1 amp, 2.1 speakers
[17:47:36] iamlindoro__: Take, for example, my "Crank" disk. Never mind the embarassing fact that I own "Crank." But mplayer can only see the first audio track in that PID, so I only get the "family friendly" swearing free version of the movie.  :) Anyway, they'll figure it out.
[17:47:46] justinh: 7.1. pfft. nice if you can be bothered to channel all your walls
[17:48:40] justinh: iamlindoro__: you mean it doesn't have any nifty built-in 'parental editing' feature like that clearview or whatever its name is?
[17:49:05] siXy: yeah, IMO there are few living room big enough to see any advantage of 7.1 over a decent 5.1 setup
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[17:49:20] justinh: you select a rating you want it to play a movie at, it looks up the disc & edits the movie on the fly.
[17:49:37] iamlindoro__: justinh, I imagine it's for exactly that kind of thing... :) Currently mplayer will give you any rating you want, so long as it's "G."
[17:49:39] justinh: stick goodfellas on a PG rating & it's over in 10 minutes
[17:50:06] justinh: opening credits... "hey... f." end credits
[17:50:47] iamlindoro__: It's sort of funny because he's still running around killing people and snorting cocaine, but doing it with memorable lines like, "I'm totally freaked, man! Freak you!"
[17:51:29] justinh: had a forum user ask about that thing & getting it into mythtv once. he didn't like my friendly suggestion that maybe it's parents who should rate what their kids watch
[17:52:09] justinh: iamlindoro__: get the freak outta here, ask Eddie Murphy would say
[17:52:23] justinh: s/ask/as
[17:52:28] siXy: besides, most kids cna get around any technological security mechanisms put there for their safety
[17:52:45] justinh: siXy: or spend all their time trying to
[17:52:52] siXy: yeah
[17:53:21] iamlindoro__: They can package that version of myth with ubuntu christian Edition
[17:53:43] iamlindoro__: Except Myths are the work of the devil so it'd have to be called ParableTV
[17:55:00] justinh: speaking of parental controls
[17:55:15] justinh: livetv doesn't have any whatsoever does it?
[17:55:30] iamlindoro__: Don't think so
[17:55:39] justinh: might put that on my todo list aswell
[17:56:09] justinh: just so users can stop their parents viewing certain channels
[17:56:25] portahex: no mum, no
[17:56:29] portahex: qvc for you
[17:56:39] iamlindoro__: That's how I stop my GF from finding out what "Television – Other" is
[17:56:56] iamlindoro__: in MythVideo, anyway
[17:56:57] justinh: if (m_channelname = "QVC") { do_randompass; }
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[17:59:28] justinh: actually that could be one area where mythtv being open source could be bad
[17:59:45] justinh: kids hacking on it when you're not looking.
[18:00:20] justinh: anyway time I was going home
[18:02:13] Aval0n-: iamlindoro: for some reason thew string you gave me a few days ago gave me sound, the one on that page is video, but no sound
[18:02:40] Aval0n-: which I don't see anything relating to sound so wth
[18:02:45] iamlindoro__: What are you trying to play?
[18:02:51] Aval0n-: .mkv file
[18:02:56] Aval0n-: that worked last night before I blew away the line
[18:03:34] iamlindoro__: Hmm, should be the same line as always, mplayer -cache 16384 -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv -monitoraspect 16:9 -lavdopts threads=4:fast:skiploopfilter=all -sws 0 %s
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[18:03:47] Aval0n-: ahh
[18:03:57] Aval0n-: I also isntalled new mplayer svn last night
[18:04:01] Aval0n-: that more than likely is the problem
[18:04:02] iamlindoro__: ah
[18:04:06] iamlindoro__: yes, probably
[18:04:06] Aval0n-: but why the heck would it be muted
[18:04:20] iamlindoro__: well, it's probably not muted, probably forgot to include support for the audio codec
[18:04:30] Aval0n-: doh
[18:04:53] Aval0n-: i followed a guide
[18:04:58] Aval0n-: I wouldn't even know what to lookfor
[18:05:13] iamlindoro__: Did you make install or use checkinstall?
[18:05:42] Aval0n-: i did debian/code binary thing
[18:05:45] Aval0n-: so it made a .deb
[18:05:48] iamlindoro__: If you used checkinstall there should be a backup of your old .deb in your mplayer directory
[18:05:55] iamlindoro__: mplayer source dir, that is
[18:05:59] Aval0n-: well I made distclean
[18:06:17] iamlindoro__: doesn't matter, the backup deb is from the checkinstall step
[18:06:30] Aval0n-: I didn't see a backup dep
[18:06:33] Aval0n-: just the one it made
[18:06:37] Aval0n-: I didn't make checkinstall though
[18:06:41] javatexan: iamlindoro_ I have mythtv box hooked up to my AV via digital cable...then I have AV -> TV via Svideo and RCA plugs. I cant figure why I cant control sound at tv, but the audio works fine at the AV. This setup also works between the AV and TV for other devices....hmm
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[18:07:04] Aval0n-: I thought last time I did this it just worked
[18:07:18] iamlindoro__: Aval0n-, Dunno, too many variables
[18:07:22] Aval0n-: mplayer_1.0svn_i386.deb
[18:07:25] Aval0n-: that's the only deb I have
[18:07:40] iamlindoro__: Aval0n-, Why not remvoe the one you just made and reinstall from the repos?
[18:08:04] Aval0n-: does that support x264 stuff
[18:08:05] Aval0n-: I had svn before
[18:08:12] Aval0n-: you actually guided me through the install I belive
[18:08:21] Aval0n-: it was just a month older
[18:08:35] Aval0n-: mplayer has a bug with gnome-screensaver
[18:08:42] Aval0n-: which I why I did svn so I could patch it for the problem
[18:08:42] iamlindoro__: go to your mplayer source directory and see if there are any files that begin with backup-
[18:08:48] Aval0n-: fade-to-black after 15
[18:09:02] Aval0n-: nope
[18:09:38] iamlindoro__: ah well... dunno what the deal is then... you can *try* explicitly stating the audio codec, I guess... something like -ac ffac3
[18:09:39] Aval0n-: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571556
[18:09:39] Aval0n-: that's what I used
[18:10:00] iamlindoro__: But I dunno what type of audio track your MKV has, so YMMV
[18:10:08] iamlindoro__: ffmpeg -i whatever.mkv may tell you
[18:10:30] iamlindoro__: Jeez, what is it Ubuntu people have against apt-get build-dep package?
[18:10:42] iamlindoro__: Why must tehre be a four-hundred-line apt-get to get dependencies?
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[18:13:07] iamlindoro__: Aval0n
[18:13:17] iamlindoro__: I *think* i have an idea of what your problem is
[18:13:41] iamlindoro__: I have a feeling it inherited Ubuntu's crap config by explicitly stating --confdir
[18:14:08] javatexan: iamlindoro__ it looks like the problem is that mplayer is running with a Priority of 15 and NI 0 and mencoder has priority 35 and NI of 10. So mencoder is getting 178% of processors and mplayer is getting maybe 4%....but it is acting a lot better
[18:14:27] Aval0n-: iamlindoro: I dunno wtf was wrong but a restart of the frontend fixed things
[18:14:37] iamlindoro__: Aval0n-, oh, good! Well that's simple.
[18:14:40] Aval0n-: lol
[18:14:41] Aval0n-: yeah
[18:14:42] iamlindoro__: javatexan, Good to hear
[18:14:57] Aval0n-: thnx :P
[18:15:06] iamlindoro__: Aval0n-, No problem, glad it's sorted
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[18:15:33] iamlindoro__: Aval0n-, Any chance you were playing with the music miniplayer?
[18:15:52] iamlindoro__: Aval0n-, Because if you do that and don't stop it completely, it hogs the audio out and mplayer will play muted
[18:16:07] iamlindoro__: or rather, won't play audio because it can't access the device
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[18:57:15] hatchmt: While watching video or live TV, occasionally the picture will stutter and the audio will cut out, but after about two seconds it picks right back up. I've tried using realtime thread priority and that doesn't help any. CPU usage is less than 20% at the time of the stutter... It happens with both digital signal and analog signal (using the HDHomeRun and an ATI TV Wonder).
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[18:59:53] hatchmt: Any thoughts on anything else I can try?
[19:00:10] fysa: which desktop are you using?
[19:00:41] hatchmt: ratpoison
[19:00:44] fysa: there's nothing running in the background that could be drawing an alert (i.e., gmail-checker) — ah
[19:00:45] hatchmt: did it using gnome too
[19:01:13] fysa: how often is occasionally? few times a day? few times an hour?
[19:01:29] hatchmt: I'd say every few minutes
[19:01:53] fysa: no meta indexers like beagle running in the background?
[19:02:14] hatchmt: nope
[19:02:45] fysa: does the digital video show blocking artifacts when it happens?
[19:04:22] hatchmt: Not really
[19:04:36] hatchmt: signal strength is above 90 on the digital channels though
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[19:04:47] hatchmt: but it happens on the analog source too
[19:05:04] fysa: you try raising PCI latency?
[19:05:35] hatchmt: PCI latency shouldn't affect the HDHomeRun, though...
[19:05:40] fysa: or lower?
[19:05:57] fysa: I don't believe you're watching the stream directly — even for live tv.
[19:06:13] fysa: you're streaming it to disk, then back out
[19:06:16] hatchmt: indeed
[19:06:18] fysa: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_Latency
[19:06:31] fysa: setpci -v -s xx:yy.z latency_timer=[n]
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[19:07:09] fysa: i.e. "My system set all latencies to a default of 32. IVTV set the PVR cards to 64, leaving my IDE and SATA controllers at 32. The result was that if I attempted to make a recording and watch live TV while a commflag job was also running, I would get glitches every few seconds in the videos. Setting the latency of the IDE and SATA controllers to 176 (b0 hex) allowed me to run 2 recordings, a commflag job and live TV with solid video all
[19:07:09] fysa: around."
[19:07:11] fysa: worth a shot.
[19:07:19] fysa: but I give it a 30% chance ;)
[19:07:50] hatchmt: heh
[19:07:55] fysa: ifconfig show any errors on the interface?
[19:08:10] hatchmt: None
[19:08:28] hatchmt: the HDHomeRun is on a dedicated network card via crossover
[19:08:30] fysa: I guess that would be a reasonable test. Can you try watching the HDHR video through mplayer/xine/some non-myth app?
[19:09:22] fysa: or, does it skip while watching a recording in the same spot as when it's live?
[19:10:08] hatchmt: PCI latency is 32 for most everything, 248 for the VGA card
[19:10:10] fysa: I believe I had to set my audio buffers low in the myth frontend setup to avoid skipping.
[19:10:40] hatchmt: if it skips and I rewind, it doen't skip in the same place
[19:10:50] hatchmt: that would seem to rule out signal and the mpeg file itself
[19:11:06] fysa: and I also experienced a bug once where I had to set interlaced/progressive manually to 'fix' a stream
[19:11:15] fysa: and it would skip frequently until I did this.
[19:11:49] fysa: you could test by changing away from auto/whatever it detected to another type (then see if it's the same) back again.
[19:11:53] fysa: er, and then back again.
[19:12:08] fysa: have you run frontend with -v all?
[19:12:28] hatchmt: not yet
[19:12:38] hatchmt: I'll have to do that
[19:14:01] bsdfox__: 4294967296 bytes (4.3 GB) copied, 30.4123 s, 141 MB/s
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[19:14:13] bsdfox__: sexy.. I got 40mb/s out of that array with my old backend
[19:14:22] fysa: PCI-Express? :)
[19:14:23] javatexan: my brother was telling me about some neat streaming of old cartoons feature in MCE called tvTonic....anyone got that working with Mythtv?
[19:14:44] bsdfox__: nope, 4 disk raid0
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[19:15:06] fysa: likely on the PCI-Express bus if you're using onboard SATA ports
[19:15:33] iamlindoro__: Looks like it's either an ActiveX control or an MCE plugin, neither of which are doable in myth
[19:15:42] fysa: I experienced a ~40MB/s to ~180MB/s jump going from an old PCI based SATA card to onboard/PCI Express SATA card.
[19:15:51] fysa: (7 disk RAID5)
[19:16:06] bsdfox__: it's an agp mobo and pata disks
[19:16:18] iamlindoro__: It's possible the streams are just flv videos, and if you can determine the naming scheme, you could probably wrap it up into MythStream
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[19:17:03] bsdfox__: fysa: I moved from a p2–450 to a core2 though :P
[19:18:00] bsdfox__: unfortunately it's crashed on me 3 times in 2 days :\
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[19:28:14] hatchmt: 2008-01–21 12:27:51.605 NVP: prebuffering pause
[19:28:14] hatchmt: 2008-01–21 12:27:52.938 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.
[19:28:22] hatchmt: That's what shows up with the video stutters
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[19:29:26] jduggan: is that mythvideo?
[19:29:39] hatchmt: it's during live tv
[19:30:01] hatchmt: it happens while playing any video, though
[19:30:04] jduggan: oh, i get that with mythtv sometimes... playing from a gigabit connected nfs share
[19:30:19] hatchmt: This is off of local drives
[19:32:15] iamlindoro__: javatexan, Get MythStream set up, and you can set up to receive any video podcast RSS stream you want, including this one (http://www.channelfrederator.com/) Which is was better anyway... plus you will have far more flexibility and choices
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[19:45:07] hatchmt: huh — If I have my analog source set to "detect" on the video scan, X takes up 99% of the cpu
[19:45:24] hatchmt: if I set it to "Progressive", it goes down to 0
[19:45:32] hatchmt: so my next question is:
[19:45:48] hatchmt: How do I make every channel on my analog source stay on progressive?
[19:45:58] hatchmt: it all seems to default to 'detect'
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[20:01:05] bsdfox__: hatchmt: I get that error too
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[20:01:31] bsdfox__: the prebuffer pause, that is
[20:07:12] javatexan: mythstream works, but it only has things like apple movie previews....how do I add things to it?
[20:07:27] iamlindoro__: Go to the mythstream home page and learn how to add parsers
[20:07:35] iamlindoro__: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/howto/index.html
[20:07:43] javatexan: okay....it has a seperate webpage...wow
[20:07:57] iamlindoro__: Under section "configuring Streams"
[20:09:28] javatexan: anyone have utube setup...that would be a pain, I would think...
[20:10:03] javatexan: wow...there it is in the configs.....wow
[20:10:13] iamlindoro__: Youtube should be easy... all you need is the search URL prefix, and you can do it as a searchable item
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[20:18:37] justinh: seriously.. has anybody seen a youtube video fullscreen?
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[20:19:23] justinh: javatexan: as an unofficial plugin it can only have a separate homepage :)
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[20:19:32] iamlindoro__: Youtube is crap... there are a *few* worthwhile podscasts out there, though
[20:19:43] iamlindoro__: at substantially better thatn YouTube quality
[20:20:14] javatexan: i don't like utub at all
[20:20:54] javatexan: I am really into finding old cartoons for my kids though....anyone see something like that? That looks okay at fullscreen?
[20:21:36] iamlindoro__: javatexan, The first link I posted for you is exactly that
[20:21:49] iamlindoro__: And yours will be better than your brother's because he has to sit through ads
[20:22:05] javatexan: lol....the federator thing?
[20:22:09] iamlindoro__: http://refrederator.com/
[20:22:10] iamlindoro__: yes
[20:22:28] iamlindoro__: specifically, http://refrederator.com/rss
[20:22:47] iamlindoro__: Can dump those straight into myth with MythStream
[20:22:49] javatexan: awesome thanks man....I am coming up to speed with this thing pretty well. Still a lot of dusty corners though.
[20:23:02] iamlindoro__: Myth is a room with 10,000 corners
[20:23:10] javatexan: wow...is there already a handler for federator
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[20:23:29] javatexan: rss...never mind
[20:23:34] iamlindoro__: no, but read the documentation and it should take ten seconds to set up
[20:23:40] javatexan: k.
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[20:26:39] ** justinh thought about doing a mythtv podcast once upon a time. might yet, one day **
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[20:35:35] ** iamlindoro__ wonders if anyone has figured out that MythStream is Torrentocracy and could do the same thing with about five seconds of effort **
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[20:36:43] justinh: is it?
[20:37:33] iamlindoro__: More or less, it will parse an RSS podcast, and you can specify the handler... simple enough matter to make the handle btdownloadheadless and have it parse a RSS search at any given BT site
[20:37:41] iamlindoro__: er handler
[20:38:18] justinh: torrentocracy was a way different animal though
[20:38:21] iamlindoro__: requires that you write a quick ~20 or so line parser for the site, but that's trivial
[20:38:26] justinh: http://torrentocracy.com/images/screenshot-02.jpg
[20:38:44] justinh: anyway FWIW I don't think it's productive to support unofficial plugins
[20:39:04] iamlindoro__: justinh, I know it was slightly different, just saying you could acheive the same if so inclined
[20:39:14] justinh: for one thing they've historically been badly maintained
[20:39:31] iamlindoro__: MythStream is no belle of the ball, that's for sure
[20:39:48] justinh: it'd be well worth looking into why they were never accepted in the first place & working towards that goal instead
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[20:42:22] jams: mythsteam was rejected because it uses mplayer + a few other minor things. The author was asked to make a few changes, but it never happened.
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[20:44:09] iamlindoro__: The method of adding new streams is pretty darn painful, too (at least for Joe User)
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[20:54:51] justinh: iamlindoro__: and mythnews? ;)
[20:55:35] justinh: there's an xml file somewhere. need to bring it up to date. only one of the feeds I have actually works
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[21:12:48] mzb: bsdfox__: awake?
[21:13:07] bsdfox__: mzb yes
[21:13:39] mzb: I've been experimenting with jumbo frames on my xen server, particularly because my workstation is on a gigabit link to the server (everything else is 10/100)
[21:13:56] mzb: have you played with jumbo frames (on xen in particular) ?
[21:14:14] bsdfox__: nope
[21:14:24] bsdfox__: I just upgraded to gigabit like 3 days ago
[21:14:32] bsdfox__: :D
[21:14:54] mzb: I'm thinking about moving the server downstairs today ... only thing I'll lose is the gigabit link
[21:15:00] mzb: nice
[21:15:53] bsdfox__: yeah my xen server and my mythbackend are in the crawl space under my house
[21:16:02] mzb: I had hoped that jumbo frames between domU's would speed up certain things. Although I've not benchmarked the difference, I'm not sure it was worth the effort
[21:16:19] bsdfox__: kinda pita.. I need to getlonger cat5 to hook them up to gigabit
[21:16:40] mzb: I want to move it downstairs so I can put the tuners in it ... the loungetv is suffering with two tuners
[21:17:57] mzb: I've got boxes of old cat5 [scrap mostly] ... and cat5e is only $1/metre .... but I'd have to drill another hole ... etc, for gigabit
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[21:20:28] mzb: hmm ... might just leave the jumbo frames as is ... only thing I need to do is change the main nic, and then assign a port to it on the router (cross fingers) ... oh well, hear goes ... <4hrs before next recording starts ;) [might involve a transfer to a 5bay case ... hope not;)]
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[21:23:44] mzb: [I hate turning this thing off!]
[21:24:35] mzb: hmm .. mind you ... it's only been up 13 days [hard drive issues since power failure during storm]
[21:24:52] mzb: ah ... reminds /me to get power filter out
[21:28:07] justinh: reminds me. I still keep putting off buying a UPS
[21:28:34] mzb: heh ... remember how cheap I am? :)
[21:28:43] justinh: thinking about new HDDs for the backend. preventative replacements. don't even know if the motherboard has SATA. can't remember
[21:29:00] justinh: hahaha. no it hasn't. lspci
[21:29:05] mzb: I've got a UPS ... has a crook battery (out of 2) but works well enough to power the router for a fair while ;)
[21:29:31] justinh: I used to debug & repair UPS for a dayjob. oh lordy
[21:29:55] mzb: urrgh ... I can think of nicer day jobs ;)
[21:30:09] justinh: when the client is Motorola SmartZone they want everything sent away for analysis. no replacing cells en-masse
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[21:30:26] mzb: my main filter is home made ... quite heavy duty ... better find it ;)
[21:30:45] mzb: right, server is off ... time for some lifting
[21:30:47] mzb: *sigh*
[21:30:55] mzb: bbl
[21:31:55] justinh: AC mains to 300VDC (or 50V DC to 300VDC). back down to 28VDC, then into the charging circuit, current measurement, temp measurement. undervolt detector on every cell (12 2.8V Cyclon Lead acids, soldered to a PCB). OK outputs of all the voltage converters daisy chained. proper mess
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[21:44:30] defaultro: hey folks, what's a good mux'ing software for m2v and ac3 files?
[21:44:44] purserj: mencoder?
[21:44:47] purserj: or ffmpeg
[21:44:59] defaultro: or can mplex mux a hd recording?
[21:45:08] defaultro: what i've seen are mostly muxing to dvd
[21:45:28] defaultro: mplex -f 8
[21:47:04] defaultro: maybe, i should use mplex -f 2
[21:47:13] defaultro: so it takes care of it automatically
[21:47:22] iamlindoro__: ffmpeg -f mpeg2video -i movie.m2v -r framerate -vcodec copy -i movie.ac3 -acodec copy outfile.mpg
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[21:53:26] defaultro: ok
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[21:53:46] defaultro: that's nice
[21:54:19] defaultro: i can even remove -r correct so that it uses the fr in the file
[21:54:42] iamlindoro__: I wouldn't, personally, I'd want it explicitly stated on the container
[21:54:52] defaultro: so -r 30000/1001
[21:55:06] mzb: .
[21:55:07] iamlindoro__: if it's 29.97, yes
[21:55:28] defaultro: yes
[21:55:37] defaultro: do you prefer that over mplex?
[21:55:41] iamlindoro__: yes
[21:55:43] mzb: hmm still online .. that's a good sign ... just got to put a new [*cough*] cable in
[21:55:44] defaultro: cool
[21:55:59] iamlindoro__: I trust ffmpeg above most other tools, but that's just based on personal experience
[21:56:09] defaultro: i was actually happy when I converted an hd recording to my ipod in mp4 format
[21:56:30] defaultro: i also used ffmpeg
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[21:57:11] iamlindoro__: Minimally, it's way way WAY more up to date than mjpegtools (from which mplex comes)
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[21:58:08] defaultro: k
[21:58:15] defaultro: bam
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[22:25:48] The_Rebel: hey there
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[22:26:06] The_Rebel: can someone tell me what exactly this "HD ringbuffer" option is for?
[22:26:44] wek_: hello all my question is: use or do not use dvb-epg-data in the table http://localhost/mythweb/settings/channels?
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[22:30:06] portahex: The_Rebel, myth is always recording, which is how the pause & rewind functions work. the ringbuffer is the file that gets recorded to
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[22:30:23] The_Rebel: is it better to keep it small or large?
[22:30:40] portahex: The_Rebel, do you want a small or large amount of potential pause/rewind space?
[22:30:54] The_Rebel: large i suppose
[22:34:37] wek_: I have trouble using www.prisma.de. channel information did not show. I now put mythtv ids in the mythweb.
[22:34:43] wek_: please help
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[22:45:39] jarle: The_Rebel: I guess the larger the ringbuffer, the longer time you will have to wait before changing to a new channel...
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[23:10:29] zed2323: I have a schedulesdirect account; when I mythfilldatabase, it downloads info with no sign of error in the downloading or the talking to mythbackend, but when I connect to the backend through the frontend, Information Center > System Status > Listings Status says correctly what time I last ran mythfilldatabase, but then goes on: "There's no guide data available. Have you run mythfilldatabase? DataDirect Status: Your subscripti
[23:10:29] zed2323: on 01/27/2008...". Anyone have any guesses what's going wrong?
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[23:16:27] iamlindoro: Do you have data through the 27th?
[23:16:49] iamlindoro: Or any data at all?
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[23:17:39] iamlindoro: looks like you just have a trial account... have you set up a listings source, added it in mythtv-setup, attached it to an input?
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[23:17:59] iamlindoro: (not to mention setting up a lineup at Schedulesdirect itself)
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[23:25:26] defaultro: iamlindoro, my ac3 is 23 fps but my video is 29.97
[23:25:31] defaultro: should I correct my ac3
[23:25:45] iamlindoro: only if you want the audio to be in sync
[23:25:55] defaultro: ok, i will change it then
[23:29:13] defaultro: wow, projectx did a good job on fixing ac3
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[23:31:03] Aval0n-: anyone else experience significant slowdown in their FE when deleting recordings?
[23:31:23] iamlindoro_: I really am half-tempted to put together a page to solicit donations to pay a ransom to with mythtranscode to do proper error handling so we can avoid all this demux-remux business
[23:31:31] iamlindoro_: I'd put $100 towards it
[23:32:10] iamlindoro_: If we could find a few dozen folks to do the same maybe someone would be into taking it on
[23:32:26] portahex: Aval0n-, ext3?
[23:32:49] Aval0n-: i belive so
[23:33:02] Aval0n-: I think that's what I rolled with it's ubuntu 7.10
[23:34:44] Aval0n-: portahex: ?
[23:34:55] iamlindoro_: You can turn on slow file deletion, that's what he's getting at
[23:35:14] iamlindoro_: It's commonly needed with ext3 file systems
[23:35:24] Aval0n-: ahh ok
[23:35:29] Aval0n-: that someone within fe settings
[23:35:57] iamlindoro_: General I believe
[23:36:17] Aval0n-: ty
[23:36:31] iamlindoro_: Thank portahex, I was staying quiet ;)
[23:36:34] javatexan: okay here is a weird one. I need to transcode via mencoder or ffmpeg a mpeg2-PES to a standard dvd mpeg2.....I am hating this...LOL
[23:37:13] javatexan: PES is Packetized Elementary Stream
[23:37:51] javatexan: and mythtv does not like it at all...it crashes the internal player after about 30 .... looks great, but sounds terrible
[23:38:12] javatexan: sorry 30 seconds of playback
[23:39:31] wireddd: I really wish there was a cheap dedicated frontend box that someone sold
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[23:40:14] iamlindoro_: ffmpeg -i infile.mpg -vcodec mpeg2video -acodec mp2 -s 720x480 -b (BITRATE) outfile.mpg ought to do...
[23:40:32] javatexan: thank you thank you thank you
[23:40:38] iamlindoro_: wireddd: look at mythic.tv
[23:40:59] iamlindoro_: wireddd: You can customize it and it comes with myth (configured for both front and backend though
[23:41:16] iamlindoro_: wireddd: Look at "Dragon 2.0"
[23:41:59] wireddd: I just want more frontends
[23:42:05] iamlindoro_: then just mac minis
[23:42:07] wireddd: I don't need another backend
[23:42:08] iamlindoro_: buy
[23:42:42] Aval0n-: how much is a mac mini?
[23:42:55] iamlindoro_: $600ish I believe
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[23:42:57] wireddd: lol $600 is more than a pc
[23:43:00] wireddd: I said cheap
[23:43:24] iamlindoro_: then google yourself, there are plenty of cheap systems out there... cheap systems work like shit. If you want it to work well, buy decent stuff.
[23:43:40] wireddd: I can get an entire computer for like $400 and a good one
[23:43:45] iamlindoro_: Congrats, so get that.
[23:43:59] javatexan: LOL
[23:44:00] wireddd: you have missed the entire point of everything I have said
[23:44:09] ** Aval0n- sigh **
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[23:44:30] iamlindoro_: That you want cheap hardware... what, do you want me to come and install it at your house, too?
[23:45:23] Aval0n: my wife hates my mythtv system
[23:45:37] Aval0n: by the time it's fully operational, she isn't even going to want to use it lol
[23:45:38] javatexan: why
[23:45:43] javatexan: lol
[23:45:49] Aval0n: just wierd shit
[23:45:54] Aval0n: things break
[23:45:58] javatexan: its linux
[23:46:06] Aval0n: be watching a movie and it'll just crash back to FE
[23:46:09] Aval0n: hd skipping
[23:46:12] wireddd: yeah, I have issues too
[23:46:13] Aval0n: which I belive I have sorted out
[23:46:22] Aval0n: just unstable-felling
[23:46:24] Aval0n: feeling too
[23:46:49] iamlindoro_: Aval0n: What works best for my GF is this... she has a custom set of XMLs in her home directory, and it is *only* the simplest stuff. Watch TV, Watch Movies, Listen to Music. No setup, no nothing. It's simple and it's unbreakable.
[23:47:40] Aval0n: yeah
[23:47:44] javatexan: check your top during playback. I found that for some reason the player had only a priority of 15 and other stuff was making life hard on it. iamlindoro helped me sort it out with nice and it is much better now
[23:47:55] Aval0n: well my wife wants to be able to watch dvdx on it too
[23:48:08] Aval0n: dvd*
[23:48:17] javatexan: basically the computer picking its nose was interupting the playback...lol
[23:48:19] Aval0n: I used irexec to put an eject button on the remote
[23:48:35] Aval0n: javatexan: how did you sort that out?
[23:48:58] Aval0n: on top
[23:49:00] Aval0n: PR
[23:49:02] Aval0n: is that priority
[23:49:04] Aval0n: mine says 15 too
[23:49:14] The_Rebel: alright well i got that ring buffer stuff taken care of, thx
[23:49:28] Aval0n: 13836 mythtv 15 0 318m 148m 45m S 1 14.7 0:17.81 mythfrontend
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[23:50:09] Aval0n: hello? lol
[23:50:43] javatexan: well its mostly sorted out
[23:51:05] Aval0n: what did you do to fix it
[23:51:49] javatexan: i niced everything I started down to were the processes priority – nice was really close to the playback's priority and then playback started to win....some of the time
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[23:52:33] javatexan: it would be nicer to just change the default priority of the playback...but I don't know how to do that yet....still learnin
[23:52:49] Aval0n: so it's complicated
[23:52:50] javatexan: i think you have to be root to do it
[23:52:54] Aval0n: is what you are asying
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[23:53:05] Aval0n: iamlindoro: you have any input here? :)
[23:53:22] javatexan: no...you just have to be root to change it to be less nice and that is a bit harder to do
[23:53:32] nwidger: in the music settings apparently there exists the ability to burn music cd's, but i cant find where. can anyone tell me how to do this?
[23:53:32] Aval0n: to be less nice?
[23:53:35] javatexan: when mythtv is running as a normal user
[23:53:43] The_Rebel: anyone have a clue as how to drop all of the imported SD program info?
[23:53:43] javatexan: yes man nice
[23:53:59] javatexan: its a command
[23:54:00] Aval0n: what's the command to make it less nice
[23:54:01] Aval0n: oh
[23:54:02] Aval0n: lol
[23:54:03] mzb: The_Rebel: what did you set your Ring Buffer to? (out of interest)
[23:54:10] javatexan: nice -10 program
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[23:54:27] javatexan: the minus means it is becoming less nice
[23:54:42] javatexan: but you have to be root to do it....as I understand
[23:54:56] Aval0n: root@htpc:/usr/src/mplayer# nice -10 mythfrontend
[23:54:56] Aval0n: mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server
[23:54:59] mzb: Aval0n: my woman didn't like the mythboxen much at first ... now she's developing a liking for it ... to the point where it's getting harder to shut it down for changes
[23:54:59] javatexan: which is hard to do from the frontend
[23:55:04] Aval0n: you have to run it in the X enviornment?
[23:55:17] Aval0n: mzb: I hope that because the case with me
[23:55:24] Aval0n: so many times we've sat down to watch something
[23:55:28] Aval0n: and it screws up
[23:55:30] javatexan: no...I wasnt able to do it that way
[23:55:32] Aval0n: and she gets frusterated
[23:55:37] The_Rebel: mzb, just the defaults mzb, i just wanted to be sure of what it was and if changing it would increase performance ..
[23:55:37] mzb: I just reinforced to her that it was WIP
[23:55:37] Aval0n: like there was a patch for mplayer
[23:55:50] Aval0n: so it would not fade to black with gnonescreensaver
[23:55:53] javatexan: I had to do it from the standpoint of making all the other programs nicer, not FE meaner
[23:55:57] Aval0n: I have to recompile with the patch heh
[23:56:11] javatexan: brb
[23:56:30] nwidger: in the music settings apparently there exists the ability to burn music cd's, but i cant find where. can anyone tell me how to do this?
[23:56:35] Aval0n: brb
[23:56:51] mzb: Aval0n: also see # renice
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[23:58:02] Aval0n: ??
[23:58:32] mzb: man renice
[23:59:03] mzb: ie. fix it "on the fly"
[23:59:12] mzb: (or test levels of niceness)
[23:59:52] Aval0n: usage: renice priority [ [ -p ] pids ] [ [ -g ] pgrps ] [ [ -u ] users ]
[23:59:52] Aval0n: root@htpc:/usr/src/mplayer# renice 10 mythfrontend
[23:59:52] Aval0n: 0: old priority 0, new priority 10
[23:59:54] Aval0n: that good?

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