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Sunday, January 20th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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squish102:

can someone guide me to some good linux upnp av server software? Something like tversity which only runs in windows :(

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GreyFoxx:

ushare is pretty godo

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GreyFoxx:

good

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GreyFoxx:

and will work with the dsm320

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GreyFoxx:

you can run it on the same box as your backend

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squish102:

ok thanks, i'll check it out. tversity works well with my dsm320 and displays all my xvid encoded stuff from my recordings

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squish102:

but i dont want to have another machine running 24x7

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GreyFoxx:

ushare works pretty well and is simple to config from the commandline

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CCFL_Man2:

the dsm320 would be great if you could use it as a frontend

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GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man2: It's really limited

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GreyFoxx:

'and the interface is kinda poo

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: i know

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GreyFoxx:

but it is doable

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squish102:

CCFL_Man2, that is what i am trying to do

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GreyFoxx:

I'm just sad that the xbox360 can't play mpeg2 videos

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GreyFoxx:

squid: create a symlink under your root video directory

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: what would be good is say if you can net root the think like the msntv2

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GreyFoxx:

symlink to your myth recordings

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GreyFoxx:

and use mythrename to give the recordings readable names

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GreyFoxx:

then you can usahre the 1 directory and watch recordings and mythvideo stuff

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squish102:

GreyFoxx, can u use mythrename and leave thim in the recordings dir?

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GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man2: I've looked and don't see anyone having tried to hack it

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GreyFoxx:

squid: mythrename doesn't move them, just renames them :)

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GreyFoxx:

so yeah, rename, and symlink to their location

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squish102:

i was planning on recording, then using the removecommercial script, then to encode to xvid

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GreyFoxx:

then usahre the one directory and you get everything

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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squish102:

as i also have to get it smaller than mpeg2 as for some reason, it has a problem on 802.11g :(

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GreyFoxx:

you tried to stream HDTV over wirelsss?

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squish102:

and i have to transcode the HD shows down to 720x480

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squish102:

no SD stuff was breaking up using the mythtv upnp server and mpeg2 SD stuff

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GreyFoxx:

weird

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squish102:

although tversity seems to be fine with the same recording

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GreyFoxx:

11g assuming no crap signal is fine for sdtv

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GreyFoxx:

squish102: I think tvversity is the one that auto transcodes on the fly ot WMV's ?

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directhex:

yes

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squish102:

it can i think, but i dont think it is doing it now as the cpu is at 3%

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GreyFoxx:

I thought it was by default

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GreyFoxx:

when I tried it over xmas it definately did it without me telling it to :)

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: newegg has a special on the avermedia A180

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squish102:

GreyFoxx, u ever thought of trying out that popcornhour?

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GreyFoxx:

squish102: It looks nifty, and nice and small

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GreyFoxx:

but other than pictures I've never seen one IRL

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GreyFoxx:

wow, it can handle matroska too

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: qam reception works good?

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GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man2: Never had a problem

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GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man2: Using multirec I record 8 channels of one multiplex with no problems

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GreyFoxx:

and basically 0% cpu usage

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: does it have hardware pid filtering or no?

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GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man2: Don't honestly know

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CCFL_Man2:

i suppose it doesn't really matter?

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squish102:

ok crashed tversity... they need to still work on that

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squish102:

thanks GreyFoxx ushare seems to be working

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Mythster:

damn myth is sweet when its all configured lol

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm a forumn for opendsm320, and open dsm320 firmware

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GreyFoxx:

cool, they already have their own toolchain for compiling your own apps for it

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squish102:

GreyFoxx, u have a link for that?

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GreyFoxx:

http://groups.google.com.tw/group/opendsm320

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GreyFoxx:

has links to building your own firmware, flashing it etc

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GreyFoxx:

not user how useful it is right now though

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** J-e-f-f-A just gave a friend his DSM320.... **

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GreyFoxx:

they have enabled telnet and such

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GreyFoxx:

of course as most everything these days, it runs linux already

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Mythster:

hey guys i have a problem..

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venger_:

how come the delete recordings free disk bar & totals don't seem to honor the extra disk space free setting?

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Mythster:

i'm i have my pause button set to P .. yet it wont pause my tv

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justinh:

"00:25 < Mythster> damn myth is sweet when its all configured lol" didn't last long eh

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Mythster:

haha

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Mythster:

no i just wanna know how to fix that

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Mythster:

it acts like it recieves too many input signals but irw shows only 1 impulse

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: i want to use an appletv as a frontend, they are sexy little units

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Mythster:

which is the equiv to hitting p

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Mythster:

i dont know why its not pausing

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Mythster:

if i hit p once its fine

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iamlindoro_:

sounds like repeat = is set in lircrc

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iamlindoro_:

if you don't want any repeating, there should be no repeat line

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iamlindoro_:

for that button, that is

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Mythster:

its set to 0

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iamlindoro_:

it shouldn't exist at all

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Mythster:

ok

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Mythster:

i'll give her a go

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Mythster:

does # comment it out?

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iamlindoro_:

lower numbers are FASTER repeats in lirc

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iamlindoro_:

no repeat = no repeat line

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Mythster:

lol

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Mythster:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

squish102: Any idea what one of the popcorn hour units costs ?

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Mythster:

still doesnt work :-\

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iamlindoro_:

oh well

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Mythster:

should i adjust the delay?

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iamlindoro_:

good luck

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GreyFoxx:

I don't wanna make an account just to see that info

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: seems the unmentionable was among those patches after all, and somebody saying "hey VDR allows such stuff which is what makes VDR such a success" fills me with joy.

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Mythster:

oh man thats sweet lol

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GreyFoxx:

woops, got as far as mythbackend

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GreyFoxx:

looks like this patchset will be fairly simple

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Mythster:

it was set = p, i set it = pause

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Mythster:

now it works

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justinh:

but anyway I think I'm either going to have to stop calling myself a dev or stop opening my big mouth so much

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justinh:

not that I do call myself a developer

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: I llooked and some of the patches are DN/BEV s pecific, but a lot of them would apply to all DVB users so might be worth looking at

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GreyFoxx:

didn't look at the actually patches, just the descriptions, so they might be crap :)

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: they're no good hidden away on some forum somewhere

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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justinh:

first thing I always think when I see a forum like that is "whoah, underground"

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmm wonder how much effort it would be to add support for a HTTP:// uri

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directhex:

justinh, the unmentionable?

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justinh:

I also know from my own research in the past that people on that forum are doing naughty things with mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

would make playing webbased items easier

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justinh:

directhex: yeah. one of the things we can't talk about in here

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directhex:

justinh, oh, right.

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GreyFoxx:

SWEET! got it all to compile withy maybe 20 lines changed

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GreyFoxx:

including the backend

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blackest:

I am having trouble configuring multirec

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justinh:

Mythster: you know why don't you? there's no _pause_ key on your PC keyboard :P

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justinh:

</sanctimonious>

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blackest:

so far it thinks it has 5 tuners but they are all remote and disconnected

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directhex:

justinh, shift-break?

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justinh:

ahahahaha. ahahahahaha.

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justinh:

blackest: you're not the one with no tuners in the MBE are you?

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justinh:

directhex: been using ctrl-s for so long now I forgot that

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directhex:

right, back to loonicks! windows is pissing me off

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blackest:

well theres the thing they are in the master backend

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: what hdtv card do you use?

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blackest:

or it is a kworld dvb-t

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blackest:

maybe multirec isnt supported on all dvb-t cards

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justinh:

blackest: it should work on most

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justinh:

maybe RTFMing would help. if there was a FM for the new feature. worth a look on the ticket & in the wiki

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squish102:

GreyFoxx popcornhour is $10 i think

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squish102:

$170

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blackest:

where would i find the ticket

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GreyFoxx:

squish102: Worth it for the featureset

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GreyFoxx:

reallty worth it

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squish102:

i heard they pretty good too

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blackest:

i havent found anything on the wiki apart from something to do with vlc

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GreyFoxx:

I ready over the forums, looks good

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squish102:

i know a few people that only watch tv with it

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GreyFoxx:

If I had something like that it might make getting livetv over upnp working heh

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bassboi:

random question... any of you guys happen to do drugs?

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bassboi:

lol

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justinh:

blackest: eres the ticket: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3326

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GreyFoxx:

not unless tylenol counts :)

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justinh:

bassboi: used to. why else would I be so damn angry?

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bassboi:

hm

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justinh:

ahh reply from flickr. joy. there's nothing doing. ffs

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purserj:

hmm?

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justinh:

they're not going to do anything about somebody else claiming copyright of my images

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GreyFoxx:

copyright of images you made ?

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GreyFoxx:

got links?

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justinh:

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GreyFoxx:

photos or graphics you made?

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justinh:

graphics

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justinh:

well, I'm mad about it but short of suing somebody there's FA I can do

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GreyFoxx:

What did the owner of the account posting them say ?

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GreyFoxx:

<<-- Nosey :)

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justinh:

haven't contacted them yet

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GreyFoxx:

feel free to tell me to piss off :)

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justinh:

they never asked me so I figured I'd do likewise

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GreyFoxx:

I generally like to attribute most things to incompetance/stupidity more so than actually intentional malice

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: yeah I wouldn't mind but it's obvious where the images are from

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justinh:

but then I probably used to think that grazing images from left right & centre was fine too

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GreyFoxx:

the wikipedia mythtv screenshot erally needs to be updated

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GreyFoxx:

That's like myth from '03 :)

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justinh:

keeps happening – I think I'll just say screw it & dump everything out GPL & to pot with who copies what. it's their funeral if they make something crap out of my stuff, just so long as I don't get associated with it

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directhex:

you could try changing it, but your change would be reverted by one of the wikipedia "quality" nazis

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directhex:

justinh, they can't claim copyright if it's gpl

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: I'd have to go dig up my wikipedia login info. Too lazy right now, but maybe later :)

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm never heard of imedia Mythtv before

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Mythster:

hey in theory you could get a universal remote and program it to broadcast one a freq that lirc will recieve correct?

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GreyFoxx:

myth sure

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justinh:

directhex: ach well. so I'm gonna have to put watermarks on everything on my site

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Mythster:

hmm

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Mythster:

i may have to investigate this more

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Mythster:

GreyFoxx, what remote do you use?

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Mythster:

does the windows media remote also control your tv?

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psm321:

anyone here use the motorolla DCT channel changer?

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justinh:

Mythster: it can be programmed to power the tv on & off. and maybe volume control too

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Mythster:

alright

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Mythster:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

MythLogBot: I use the MCE remote

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justinh:

Mythster: or rather, some models can

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GreyFoxx:

MythLogBot: I doesnt do my TV as well

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psm321:

mine died today for one of my boxes... it sets the channel fine but when it reads it back it always gets 128 back

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Mythster:

dang

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GreyFoxx:

but it could

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Mythster:

so i should prolly look at getting a universal

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Mythster:

ohh

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GreyFoxx:

It has an irblaster

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Mythster:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

so I could configure something if I wanted too

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GreyFoxx:

I don't bother

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Mythster:

do u have the keyboard as well?

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GreyFoxx:

sitting on a shelf out of the way

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Mythster:

hmm

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Mythster:

u ever use it?

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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justinh:

Mythster: if you want full control of more than one device without getting lirc & an IR blaster involved get a universal remote

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Mythster:

ok do you know how difficult it is to get lirc and a uni remote working together?

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justinh:

nothing is difficult to me :D

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Mythster:

i'd like to be able to control my tv & lirc

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Mythster:

lol

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justinh:

lirc is my b*tch

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Mythster:

haha

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justinh:

so er.. define 'difficult'

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psm321:

ok i see what happened... it tried to change to a channel that for some reason isn't coming through and the box got stuck there :(

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justinh:

basically if you get a remote control you need to either tell it to emulate the remote which works with an MCE/tuner card IR reciever – or else use a codeset with the max number of buttons & learn it with irrecord (in the case of receivers that'll work with irrecord of course)

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justinh:

Mythster: what you can't do is use any ole remote codes with an MCE receiver or most tuner card IR receivers

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psm321:

err actually the cable box died completely...

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GreyFoxx:

beforewarned the MCE remote conflicts with the xbox360 :)

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GreyFoxx:

I had to tape over the IR port on my 360 :)

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GreyFoxx:

but otherwise the MCE remote is a dream

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justinh:

OneForAll, who make the popular URC universal remotes sold er.. universally – their more recent models have codes to emulate MCE & Hauppauge remotes AFAIK

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** justinh is sure all this is written down somewhere.. </preach> **

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: can't find any evidence that any docs have been written for multirec yet. am I missing something silly?

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: can't say I've found any either

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GreyFoxx:

or I should say, I've never run accross any mention of them

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** psm321 wonders what this multirec thing that everyone keeps talking about is **

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GreyFoxx:

psm321: multiple recordings off a single card at once

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GreyFoxx:

so in dvb when they have multiple channels per frequency (known s a multiplex) you can record more than 1 at a time off the single card

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psm321:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

It's nifty

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: gonna see what I can do if nobody beats me to it (heh)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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justinh:

at least put a holding page up

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psm321:

well GreyFoxx's explanation would be a start... i couldnt even find what it was via googling yesterday

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justinh:

by the look of things it's going to need shedloads more testing, and to encourage more testing... those guys are gonna need info to work with

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J-e-f-f-A:

Wow, xiris has been quite busy lately... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

er... xris even... ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: yeah

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: the volume of dev & commits traffic has been humongous of late

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justinh:

aw fack. new container in ui.xml? like there's room?!

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psm321:

hmm looks like the box is completely dead

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psm321:

how can i temporarily disable a tuner in myth w/o having to delete it?

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justinh:

psm321: set its priority to a real negative value is one way

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psm321:

justinh: that wont help cause i have too many recordings

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psm321:

it'll still schedule them on it

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jams:

removed the video source for thattuner ?

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psm321:

k

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mediabunt1:

hey guys. I'm trying to save some energy by using wakeonlan to wake the backend server. its working only problem is mythwelcome keeps waking it up the putting it back to sleep.

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** justinh wonder what on Earth Aalyah's An** Pleasure is all about **

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justinh:

mediabunt1: so sack mythwelcome?

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mediabunt1:

here's a better explanation of things http://pastebin.ca/865706

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justinh:

can't help. don't know what mythwelcome is even all about. never used it

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mediabunt1:

server just came on :-$

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mediabunt1:

You don't use it? how you start the front end ? keyboard and mouse?

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jams:

probably starts mythfrontend instead of mythwelcome on startup.

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justinh:

frontend is just a frontend. need the backend on most of the time anyway

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justinh:

other than an addition button to press at startup there's nothing mythwelcome has to offer me :)

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justinh:

and I can't boot the FE without the backend on. it's kinda diskless

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jams:

justinh- right now the aiblity to add/removed plugins is under the "advanced" screen. Think they should be moved off to a seperate menu entry?

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justinh:

oh in your project you mean?

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jams:

yes

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jams:

advanced is about 5 pages, two of them are the plugins.

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justinh:

the advanced menu is possibly the right place for it

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mediabunt1:

ahh nice setup. I tryed going diskless but failed miserably. i got PXE and the DHCP server installed, it got a IP and started booting but never actually got to the stage were i could use it.

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jams:

ok, that works for me =)

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justinh:

thanks for reminding me I need to get on with integrating mythappearance

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justinh:

need some more days off for unadulterated coding pleasure

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umdk1d3:

evening all, questino about livetv vs. recording priority

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umdk1d3:

if watching livetv and a show is sched to record, will it kick the livetv user off the tuner?

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J-e-f-f-A:

umdk1d3: They will be presented with a popup...

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justinh:

what's this 'livetv' thing then?

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J-e-f-f-A:

umdk1d3: With the option to continue watching livetv (thus cancel the recording), Watch as it's recording, or go back to the menu...

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: hehe... ;-) I don't watch any 'livetv' on myth either, except when I'm testing tuners and channel-change scripts... ;-)

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umdk1d3:

ahh thanks J-e-f-f-A

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umdk1d3:

and this is completely unrelated, but im very happy with an hdhomerun i picked up :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

umdk1d3: And it you don't answer it, it will automatically kick you back to the menu. (I think it gives a countdown... iirc...

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blackest:

hihoooooo i think i've done it multirec

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justinh:

uhoh. xmltv returned error 6400

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blackest:

it took some hacking of mythconverg

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blackest:

for some reason it was using the box ip address instead of the hostname

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justinh:

for some reason? like it just felt like it? ;)

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blackest:

changing that and it recognised the tuner was local and connected

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blackest:

i reckon so

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blackest:

least ways it thinks its recording bbc3 and bbc4 right now

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blackest:

dunno if it is thou

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blackest:

ha it is

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blackest:

mythweb can play both streams

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CCFL_Man2:

the macbook air

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** jams needs mythweather help **

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blackest:

who says hackin the db is dodgy

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jams:

hehe

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mzb:

can anyone recommend an editor that can cut on B-Frames? (rather than only I-frames)

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justinh:

jams: I don't think anybody who got the new mytheather working can remember quite how they did it

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blackest:

mythweather sometimes works for me, usually once

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jams:

it either segfaults, says it can't find a screen, or sources are not found.

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justinh:

jams: ahh. run mythfrontend with -v – you might see some info about scripts missing some stuff

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Anduin:

by looking at the frontend output and looking closely at each screen/source, it is icky

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mzb:

or am I going to have to cut my 4 hour (?) recording into 100 pieces, import them into recordings, edit in mythfrontend, transcode, and then copy them out ;)

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Anduin:

and checking script perms

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jams:

yeah been down that road, it finds all the scripts

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justinh:

I don't honestly think the new mythweather can rightly be called a fix for the old one

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** jams trys again **

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Anduin:

At least it is broken differently

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Anduin:

and knowing the weather at the airport 50 miles away is very useful

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blackest:

yep like my slave backend that doesnt work

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justinh:

if I wasn't so busy I might have a look at it

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justinh:

me & my damn promises

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blackest:

you could just use mythbrowser and go to bbc weather

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Anduin:

I just don't use MythWeather

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justinh:

I think I found a bug in mythbrowser just nowbtw

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justinh:

if you run mythfrontend with a -geometry override, it resizes the frontend to the values stored in the db

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justinh:

should be an easy fix if not already done

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jams:

yep nothing in the old log file.

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blackest:

so if you deliberately mess it up it'll break

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psm321:

stupid comcast :(

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justinh:

whoah there. mythbrowser is a whole different window!

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justinh:

is that how plugins are sposed to work?

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justinh:

I thought they were always children of the main window

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justinh:

or is mythbrowser a special case because it's not really mythfrontend-ish ?

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blackest:

what else is on the same multiplex as bbc3 and bbc4

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jams:

they are always a seperate window

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justinh:

they are?! so I could ostensibly have made mythappearance come up in a bigger window

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justinh:

blackest: bbc3 isn't on the same mux as bbc4

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jams:

http://www.pastebin.ca/865824 <= thats the log from entering mythweather, selecting a source and having it tell me there are no sources for blah blah blah.

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justinh:

blackest: http://pastebin.ca/865827

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justinh:

blackest: http://pastebin.ca/865828

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justinh:

jams: hmmm. I remember having a similar problem

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jams:

remember the solution ?

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justinh:

I think I was missing dependencies of the weather scripts

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justinh:

only found that out by trying to run them myself

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jams:

i will check them again.

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blackest:

then this is very wierd since i am recording 10 things you didnt know about tsunamis and sex... with mum and dad

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justinh:

blackest: don't think the mplexes carry different channels around the UK

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blackest:

well it says ch7 =bbc3 and ch9 = bbc4

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blackest:

and it is recording them

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J-e-f-f-A:

jams: Did you setup your sources for each screen?

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justinh:

blackest: what is the mplexid for bbc3 & bbc4 on your box though?

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blackest:

justinh: i don't know

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justinh:

or do you only have the one tuner?

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blackest:

it is the one tuner a kworld dvb-t 210

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justinh:

blackest: SELECT mplexid, name FROM channel;

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jams:

J-e-f-f-A- still attempting to add screens.

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J-e-f-f-A:

jams: Unfortunately I can't tell you what screen exactly — mythweathe setup crashes the frontend on my box — libmythweather.so: undefined symbol: _ZN14MythBusyDialogC1ERK7QString

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: need a make clean eh?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jams: It's not very intuitave imho... as you add the screen,you need to press "M" or "I" to bring up the option to select the source for that screen.

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Humm... hadn't though of that... just thought it was a bug or something... ;-)

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blackest:

erm 1 and 4

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blackest:

however is ceebebies bbc3 ?

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blackest:

in which case both on 4

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jams:

heh J-e-f-f-A that made some progress, now it just segfaults.

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jams:

there should be a progress bar while it searches

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jams:

right whoever came up with this design should be made to use it.

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J-e-f-f-A:

jams: Well, it's better than 100% not working... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

jams: Just delete the screen which causes the segfault.

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jams:

yeah i guess.

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jams:

J-e-f-f-A- they all cause a segfault

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jams:

ALL

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jams:

even background

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J-e-f-f-A:

jams: wow... I use "Current Conditions" "Three Day Forecast" "Six Day Forecast" "Severe Weather Alerts" and "Northeast Doppler Radar 1800" – no segfaults here... (Boston area)

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** J-e-f-f-A ugh... radar shows it's snowing... (heading to look out the front door to verify...) **

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jams:

let me clear the db and try again.

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** J-e-f-f-A humm.... cloudy and 33F, but no snow in sight yet... **

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defaultro:

hi folks, what's the besttool to convert ts to ps?

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J-e-f-f-A:

defaultro: I think there's a utility called ts2ps ... I used something similar in M$ before, and I think it originated on linux/unix...

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justinh:

back in the day I used to use pvastrumento on winders

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justinh:

projectx also does it

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** justinh goes to bed **

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jams:

justinh- think those qpainter errors are related to the segfault ? http://www.pastebin.ca/865865

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jams:

drats just went to bed.

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** J-e-f-f-A thinks it would be great if "MythMovieTimes" could/would show a description of the movie... ;-) **

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defaultro:

thanks Jeffa

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defaultro:

do you know which package ts2ps can be found?

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J-e-f-f-A:

defaultro: np :-)

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defaultro:

looks like mpegtools

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J-e-f-f-A:

defaultro: Yeah – that's what I came up with on a quick google... ;-)

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defaultro:

justinh, i tried pvastrumento this morning, it kept crashing

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defaultro:

iwill try projectx if ts2ps doesn't work

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GreyFoxx:

```[5~

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: ???

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defaultro:

i just converted a ts to ps and it took 5 seconds only, hmmmm. Tool is called replex. interesting

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defaultro:

I will open it now to see if it works :)

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defaultro:

LOL, blank screen but with audio

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jams:

J-e-f-f-A- you can ignore that, it's just GreyFoxx typing in the wrong window, either that or his cat walking across the keyboard.

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J-e-f-f-A:

jams: hehe... I figured as much. ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

cat :)

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jams:

heh i was hoping so, cause i couldn't figure out what vi command that would be

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jamesd:

yeah because i noticed that ` does nothing to my myth frontend

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jams:

hey a mythweather screen worked after enabling background data fetching.

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J-e-f-f-A:

jams: Yeah, I like the background data fetching...much faster now.. ;-)

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jams:

guess it does work

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jams:

thanks J-e-f-f-A for the help

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J-e-f-f-A:

jams: NP...

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defaultro:

i'll try projectx now :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

defaultro: humm.. ts2ps didn't work then, eh?

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defaultro:

Jeffa, i couldn't fin dit

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defaultro:

searched for 10 mins with no success :(

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defaultro:

it's not even inside libdvb

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joobie:

guys i just got a fresh install of linux on my box.. can someone point me in the direct direction for setting up mythtv ? I have a usb tv tuner

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joobie:

a good howto doc woul dbe nice

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defaultro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki something like that

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joobie:

ta

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jams:

joobie- which distro?

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joobie:

jams, centos

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jams:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php

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jams:

that has some good stuff

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joobie:

thank you

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jams:

should be close enough to get you going.

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jams:

the wiki and mythtv docs are also good

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joobie:

do i need to read any different docs for the usb card setup?

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jams:

myth doesn't care if the card is usb or not.

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jams:

so i suppose once you get linux to see the card you should be fine.

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J-e-f-f-A:

joobie: as long as your tuner is supported in Linux, it will work in Mythtv.

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joobie:

cool

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joobie:

thanks guys

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htpcdvbs:

on mytharchive i get a error 133 when i goto burn dvd

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htpcdvbs:

says i not logged in as root

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CCFL_Man2:

i got a great question

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CCFL_Man2:

the majority of atsc/qam tuners on the pci cards today, when they search for channels, can they search for 8vsb signals on atv frequencies or qam signals on vhf/uhf frequencies

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CCFL_Man2:

atv = catv

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Perdignus:

Good evening – anyone ever order a large TV from an online store like B&H or J&R

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clever:

eeek

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clever:

IOBOUND!

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defaultro:

I remember, back in 2005 when I use mythtv, we can choose the type of container we want either MPEG-TS or MPEG-PS. Does this feature still exist?

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CCFL_Man2:

defaultro: i'd use the container of the source

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defaultro:

will it affect picture quality?

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CCFL_Man2:

no, it shouldn't

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CCFL_Man2:

best to leave everything original from the source

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defaultro:

any reasons why i should keep it at TS format?

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CCFL_Man2:

well, why change?

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: PVR-150?

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defaultro:

i need to burn them

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defaultro:

Ulead Movie Factory is looking for a ps format

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CCFL_Man2:

defaultro: burn them as .mpg or dvd?

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defaultro:

hddvd

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defaultro:

on dvd+r

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defaultro:

it works

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defaultro:

but i need to supply a ps format to Movie factory

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defaultro:

so if i can tell mytht to use PS container, that would be awesome. I remmeber, i used ps in the earlier days

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defaultro:

then i switched to ts and it increased the filesize

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psm321:

apparently comcast boxes deactivate themselves after approximately 1 week if they can't communicate back up to the network (probably to fight cable theft)... just an fyi (my amplifier was blocking return signals... i didnt have any malicious intent but it caught me)

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J-e-f-f-A:

psm321: So put the amp after the splitter then...

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psm321:

it's a splitter+amp

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psm321:

plus how would that help anyways? it would still be in the return path

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Tanthrix:

Just need a 2-way amp. They're easy to find nowadays.

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psm321:

i think i'm going to have to get a new amp

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psm321:

yeah

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Tanthrix:

Comcast should provide one for free.

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Tanthrix:

Just remove the amp, tell them you're having signal problems, and they'll come out and add one.

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psm321:

well i dont have a low signal problem if i dont try to split it out so many ways

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psm321:

and apparently comcast only officially supports 3 or 4 devices in the house

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defaultro:

-3db right for every split

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psm321:

yeah

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CCFL_Man2:

defaultro: true hd dvd format?

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

but of course, the source isn't

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defaultro:

it's just the header

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defaultro:

but i am able to maintain the 1920x1080 resolution on the encoded video

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CCFL_Man2:

defaultro: true hd dvd uses mpeg4 vc1 codecd

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defaultro:

yep

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defaultro:

like what I said, my source isn't

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defaultro:

it's tricking my hddvd player

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CCFL_Man2:

defaultro: what is your source?

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defaultro:

ota hd recordings

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defaultro:

ota hd recordings on dvd+r with HDDVD header

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CCFL_Man2:

they are mpeg2, not mpeg4

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defaultro:

yes

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Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: And?

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CCFL_Man2:

oh hddvd supports mpeg2 also

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defaultro:

yes

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CCFL_Man2:

i forgot

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defaultro:

i don't have to convert it to 720x480

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defaultro:

that's why, I just need to convert our .ts recording to ps

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defaultro:

then Movie Factory will be happy

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: I doubt that the myth setting does anything

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defaultro:

i tried searching for ffmpeg command line paramter but couldn't find a good one

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CCFL_Man2:

thats a .mpg file, no?

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defaultro:

Tanthrix, it does save it as ps format

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defaultro:

that's what I have before back in 2005

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: You can't just magically convert MPEG-TS to PS as far as I know – a re-encode of some kind is necessary, and myth is definately not doing that on the fly

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Tanthrix:

Maybe it works for a PVR-150 since it makes the card specify it, but not ATSC/QAM content

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: it's a container really

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defaultro:

ok. But I don't know how it was before

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defaultro:

Hopefully, Beirdo is here

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defaultro:

or GreyFoxx

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CCFL_Man2:

there is .ts and .mpg

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CCFL_Man2:

defaultro: use a .ts processing software, you'll find it on doom9.org

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: It's in recording profiles.

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

bam

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: And it always has been.

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defaultro:

there you go ;)

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defaultro:

thanks

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defaultro:

i'll try it later

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: Let me know how it turns out though. I still don't think it will work for ATSC/QAM content, but I'd like to know for sure.

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defaultro:

it will because that is how my myth was setup before

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CCFL_Man2:

defaultro: or hdtv to mpeg, it can process atsc ts streams

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defaultro:

hdtvtompeg is crap

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defaultro:

it always crashes on me

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defaultro:

projectx didn't work either

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: You've tried it specifically with ATSC/QAM content in the past, and been able to burn it directly and have it work?

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CCFL_Man2:

well, it's old

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defaultro:

videoredo is awesome but license expired :p

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defaultro:

yes with ATSC/QAM but not burn

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CCFL_Man2:

defaultro: there are free programs that convert

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defaultro:

when it's mpeg, we still have to dvdauthor it if we want DVD format

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CCFL_Man2:

a ts stream has other stuff in it, such as an mpeg ps

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defaultro:

I didn't say to burn the ps format directly, I still have to push it to Movie Factory

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xanderp:

Ok, I am building a temporary backend box to run while I'm rebuilding my real one. I have tried a few different 'canned' mythtv distros to get one working with as little effort as possible and they were all pretty slow or didn't work with my cards correctly for the most part. I just loaded mythbuntu for the first time and all I can say is WOW!!! the frontend FLYS compared to the other distros I've used.

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: Let me rephrase: have you been able to use a ATSC/QAM stream, in mpeg-ps mode, and have some kind of dvd authoring software accept it without having to re-encode?

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defaultro:

i think not

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: if myth records in ps it should just record the program stream with in the transport stream

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defaultro:

i can verify later using ffmpeg -i

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CCFL_Man2:

and that program stream with appropriate file header should be what he;s looking for

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: Myth has no option to specify a MPEG-PS container for DVB cards, since you cannot magically turn MPEG-TS into MPEG-PS.

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xanderp:

anyone else used mythbuntu and experienced a surge in frontend performance from it? It makes me think my other installs of fedora etc... are somehow messed up.

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defaultro:

so what I have been doing lately for DVD burning is ffmpeg the .ts recording then dvdauthor it

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Tanthrix:

I'm pretty sure the only reason it works with PVR-150s is since they actually can be told to produce MPEG-PS – myth isn't changing anything.

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Tanthrix:

It's just telling the cards to output PS instead of TS

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: you might be right

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defaultro:

I will have to try later. Like what I said, my setting previously was in MPEG-PS mode. But I don't know what format it was really using in the file

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xanderp:

if I record from my pchdtv5500 digital signals, can my frontends display that on a SD tv? (will it downscale it?)

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defaultro:

let me do it now, give me 5 mins

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defaultro:

:)

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CCFL_Man2:

myth should just record the whole transport stream, thats the proper way to do it

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: Righto ;)

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Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: All myth does is spit out to a file whatever comes from the encoder card or DVB card. That's it, nothing more, unless you're doing a framegrabber.

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J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man2: Tanthrix: – TS = Transport Stream – used on Sattelite & other broacast streams – From what I understand, it has some error correction and/or repeated data to allow some signal loss to not affect the program...

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xanderp:

that is to say HD OTA, or HD unencrypted cable... will the frontend scale that down to play on a regular SD tv set?

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J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man2, Tanthrix: PS is the just a straight mpeg stream from what I understand...

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Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: Aye. It's different enough from MPEG-PS that you can't just magically convert between the two. It's not a container in the sense that matroska is a container.

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: exactly, which is the way it should be done

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Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: As opposed to what? There is no other option..

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CCFL_Man2:

J-e-f-f-A: i thought error correction was part of the demodulation

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Tanthrix:

xanderp: Aye. It scales anything to whatever you're using.

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: well, directivo records in it's own format

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xanderp:

Tanthrix: thanks... I didn't know if I would have to transcode everything down, and then what's the point.

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Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: What's that got to do with anything? We're talking about the differences between MPEG-TS and MPEG-PS, and what it means for myth.

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Tanthrix:

Not some random proprietary formats of brand X DVR – to hell with them! ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man2, Tanthrix: I just wikipedia'd (is that a word? ;-) ) "Transport Stream" and got alot of neat info... ;-)

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CCFL_Man2:

J-e-f-f-A: atsc and dvb ts streams contain extra information like EIT for dvb, and the atsc equivilent, closed captioning, etc

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: nothing

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Tanthrix:

Fair enough. ;)

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CCFL_Man2:

J-e-f-f-A: i thought thats all it contained

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CCFL_Man2:

hehe

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: So, the bottom line, is that Myth is not going to be able to output a PS stream of ATSC/QAM provided content, be it from firewire or a dvb card, unless you use dvdarchive to transcode. (Which as far as I know can't do HD.) The ability to do program streams is purely a feature of encoder cards.

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: You're stuck finding some god awful mysterious freeware app to do it. ;)

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defaultro:

i'm back

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defaultro:

i didn't find the MPEG-PS

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defaultro:

:(

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defaultro:

I even ran mythtv-setup

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defaultro:

ok, what is the best way to convert to ps

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: I told you that a few minutes ago – why are you so surprised? ;)

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defaultro:

videoredo is really cool. It does the job

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

but I don't want to shell out money now

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xanderp:

will the archive functions of mytharchive convert the HD recordings from my pchdtv5500 card to a format that a standalone dvd player will read, or will i have to manually convert the files first?

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tjcarter:

albinocode.com is the funniest thing I've seen in weeks

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CCFL_Man2:

tjcarter: i seen you elsewhere

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johnsu01:

jhulst: so, apparently I might be barking up the wrong tree entirely, I just built mythtv-frontend without xvmc or xv, and I still get the crash..

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johnsu01:

I assumed it would work and so did not log anything, I guess I'll try it again logging

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xanderp:

i've got a 2ghz machine with a gig of ram, shouldn't that be able to keep up with playing HD content without having it keep pausing?

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jhulst:

johnsu01: I thought we had figured it was probably a graphics card problem

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hads:

xanderp: Not nessecarily

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johnsu01:

jhulst: yeah, but since things like mplayer work, I thought that it was a problem related to trying xv or xvmc

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hads:

"HD content" could be a number of things.

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johnsu01:

I can watch DVDs fine using xine, or play video files fine using mplayer, on the same box

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xanderp:

i'm currently trying to play 'watch tv' from my pchdtv5500 on the same machine as the card is located. it pauses about every 2–3 seconds for about 1/10th of a second.

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Tanthrix:

xanderp: Try pausing for 10 seconds, then unpause and see if that fixes it.

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xanderp:

will test

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xanderp:

(possibly hd speed? (writing and reading that much content at the same time?)

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johnsu01:

jhulst: I guess I'm wondering whether it's a graphics problem at all, or whether there is something IO that could cause it..

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Tanthrix:

xanderp: Possibly, but it might just be a mythtv bug.

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Tanthrix:

xanderp: Do that test and report back.

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xanderp:

checking

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xanderp:

nope... still having the video 'stutter' like that.

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iamlindoro:

reading and writing of HD content to the disk is a trivial amount if the drive was made in the last ten years

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jhulst:

johnsu01: yeah, I don't know

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xanderp:

it'a s sata drive

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Tanthrix:

xanderp: What are the specs of your system?

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xanderp:

wow, my fingers got knotted up on that!

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** iamlindoro waits for the "ATI Card" or "nvidia with open source drivers" part :) **

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xanderp:

it's a 2.x ghz intel p4 with a gig of ram, and a 120g sata drive, with a pchdtv5500 tuner in it. (i'm trying to build it as a 'temp' box until i can rebuild my real backend box)

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xanderp:

the video is an nvidia card, will check to see what the model is

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iamlindoro:

cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep MHz

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xanderp:

GeForce FX5200

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Tanthrix:

xanderp: Could just be that your system is too slow to do it without XvMC. Myth is pretty damned inefficient and a pain in the ass at video playback sometimes. (My Xp 2600+ did 1080i mpeg2 with mplayer and xine without problems, but in myth it would stutter, no matter what settings I messed around with.)

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iamlindoro:

My folks had a 2.0 Ghz P4 on their first myth box that *could* not do HD without XvMC

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iamlindoro:

er *could not*

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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xanderp:

cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep MHz = 2258.487

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iamlindoro:

at least, not with internal player and a 18 Mbit cable stream

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iamlindoro:

you could cajole mplayer to play the stuff somewhat

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** Tanthrix sees this as reason number #10232 that external player support should not be dropped **

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xanderp:

you mentioned XvMC, is that something I can use with the nvidia card I have?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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xanderp:

frontend setting?

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Tanthrix:

But will it work? Maybe.

[05:30:37]

Tanthrix:

xanderp: You need to choose XvMC as a video renderer in the frontend settings. But it will only be there if you compiled support for it.

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Tanthrix:

And sometimes (where sometimes == 50 percent of the time) it does nothing or makes problems work

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Tanthrix:

worse*

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xanderp:

will check... (is it "Preferred MPEG2 Decoder:"

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iamlindoro:

And I believe you also need to edit the /etc/X11/XvMCConfig file

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iamlindoro:

and change the contents from "libXvMC.so.1" to "/usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1" and restart X

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iamlindoro:

erm, probably don't need the "/usr/lib/" part, come to think of it

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xanderp:

just changing to XvMC in the "Preferred MPEG2 Decoder" setting has already improved it VASTLY.... will check the config file now

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** iamlindoro thinks the one thing LinuxMCE does right is encourage users to buy a proper modern machine. **

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iamlindoro:

But it's the only thing that pig does right

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xanderp:

the XvMCConfig file already said NVIDIA for the .so file...

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iamlindoro:

good

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Tanthrix:

Then you're good to go.

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iamlindoro:

should be all set then

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matty-:

I keep losing sound when I seek/change channels, I lose sound, and I have to reload the sound module to get them back. It's a Nvidia MCP51 (onboard) sound device. Does anyone have any ideas how to fix this?

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xanderp:

it's not pausing anymore, just playing the video a bit slower than real time.

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xanderp:

it would be great, if I were a pot smoker, but a little unnerving since i'm not... :)

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Tanthrix:

xanderp: You're probably going to have to just use mpleyer to playback HD stuff until you get a better system, though you should try playing around with other decoders just for fun.

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Tanthrix:

xanderp: And disabling deinterlacing should make things a little easier on your system.

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xanderp:

will keep tinkering... thanks for the help

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xanderp:

my other backend box is an amd 64 bit machine that reads as 1000Mhz from cpuinfo. No hope for that one then?

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iamlindoro:

heh.. probably not

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xanderp:

do you think that machine (the amd) would be able to just record with the HD tuner?

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xanderp:

with playback on a better machine?

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iamlindoro:

oh, record should be fine, record is easy

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xanderp:

just reading and writing to the HD aye?

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iamlindoro:

yup, and that's a pretty trivial amount of data

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xanderp:

what's the typical data rate for HD tv? (so I can test the HD speed on that box against it.

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cafuego:

9GB/h I think

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iamlindoro:

The *max* HD television can be is 17.89 Mbit/s

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xanderp:

oh, wow... no where near as fast as I thought...

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cafuego:

xanderp: If it's an amd64 reading 1000MHz that means the cpu is idling.

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xanderp:

ahh...

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cafuego:

xanderp: They don'r get sold in 1GHz varieties

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mikeylikesit5805:

hi all i am running mythtv in ubuntu 7.10 and when i try and get it to connect to Scheduels direct is freezes at 50% any ideas

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cafuego:

Mine is a 2800+ and idles at 1GHz too

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xanderp:

it's a amd 3400+ chip

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cafuego:

which btw records 2 channels simultaneously and plays a 3rd stream just fine

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cafuego:

xanderp: More than fast enough

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xanderp:

to play HD?

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cafuego:

yeah

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xanderp:

sweet...

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cafuego:

My 2800+ plays HD

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cafuego:

well

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cafuego:

it would if the TV did it

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cafuego:

but it outputs it fine :-)

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xanderp:

great... my plan is to use the amd box hooked to my projector (it's 480p) (is that right, 480? the lower end of HD, not 1080i)

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cafuego:

that will be absolutely fine. nvidia gfx?

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cafuego:

i watch stuff on my 3200+ @ 1440x900 on occation and that also has no issues

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cafuego:

(HD that is)

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CCFL_Man2:

newegg has avermedia A180 cards on sale, $30 off

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xanderp:

GeForce4 Ti 4600

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** cafuego doesn't know, but expects that to be fine too **

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CCFL_Man2:

$50 they cost

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cafuego:

I think with XvMC or somesuch output you offload some work to the card

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xanderp:

i bought the pchdtv5500 from my friend who gave up on it for $50.00. Nice aye?

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xanderp:

i wish that the AverMedia Volar A868 would get supported, I picked one of those up on black friday for $9.00

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CCFL_Man2:

xanderp: probably crappy hardware

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xanderp:

the output is beautiful...

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CCFL_Man2:

it outputs a transport stream, of course it'll be beautiful

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Tanthrix:

Then how it could it be bad hardware? It either works or it doesn't.

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: crappy tuner

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CCFL_Man2:

stability issues

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xanderp:

seems to work fine in windows. no problems I've seen at all.

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xanderp:

the retail price is much much more than 9 bucks... like 80 i think

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CCFL_Man2:

oh, hmm..

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CCFL_Man2:

maybe it has a weird tuner

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Tanthrix:

Maybe it's just fine?

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CCFL_Man2:

not supported by v4l i guess

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CCFL_Man2:

it could be

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xanderp:

it's ONLY ATSC, not DVB-T (or whatever that allows QAM)

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CCFL_Man2:

qam

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xanderp:

so basically only an OTA tuner

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Tanthrix:

Hardly an issue in most places, unfortunately.

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CCFL_Man2:

yeah

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CCFL_Man2:

i need a card that does qam because i'll run my own qam system

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Tanthrix:

Should go with the A180 – it's prolly the cheapest

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CCFL_Man2:

is it cheap because it's crap or no?

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xanderp:

i need to hook up sound to this backend to see if it's playing properly... looks fine now that I'm using XvMC

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Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: Digital tuners have very little variation. They tend to work fine, or not at all. And yes, the A180 works well, and is very well supported. Never had a mistune myself.

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xanderp:

prob cheap because little 'lin cho chi' the 6 year old girl from the farming villiage makes them 17 hours a day for 25 cents an hour... (sad state of affairs)

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Tanthrix:

Nah, I'm sure the little girls have been replaced by robots.

[06:04:36]

xanderp:

at 25 cents an hour how is she ever going to afford a humvee?

[06:05:12]

xanderp:

25c/hour vs 1.6million in robotics? I don't know... maybe

[06:05:20]

CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: well, i pretty much want to put it in the backend and leave it there for a minimum of 10 years

[06:05:36]

CCFL_Man2:

install it, and forget it

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Tanthrix:

With a system as complex as yours, good luck with that.

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xanderp:

CCFL_Man2: in 10 years they won't be broadcasting HD anymore it will be HDD or something we've not heard of... ;)

[06:06:07]

Tanthrix:

(Or potential system, that is. I still don't think you're going to be able to pull it all off in a nice way.)

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xanderp:

wholly crap, PSB has Tony Orlando on!!! I thought he was dead!

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xanderp:

PSB=PBS

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CCFL_Man2:

xanderp: i just hope it all stays the same

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: the only issue is getting the cash money and equipment at affordable prices

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xanderp:

omg... if I keep watching tv on this 5500 tuner, i will end up having to sell my crappy rear projection up in the living room and replace it with a 'real' tv :)

[06:08:26]

xanderp:

even 'ed sullivan' looks better in HD!

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CCFL_Man2:

the equipment used to provide the qam signal will be independent of mythtv, equipment like that is usually designed to last for years and years

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Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: A *regular* mythTV system is pretty complex and almost never rock stable, 24/7/365. Adding some crazy satellite equipment and qam modulators is just going to make the whole thing more complex.

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Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: And how is it that you have some magical satellite equipment that spits out a straight, decrypted digital stream in the first place?

[06:10:39]

Tanthrix:

xanderp: It's addicting, isn't it. ;)

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: well, if the mythtv system fails, i can use a qam stb as a backup

[06:11:03]

CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: professional receivers have a dvb-asi output

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Tanthrix:

xanderp: The GF and I went from an old mythbox with a crappy 27 inch TV to a Core 2 Duo system with 42 inch 1080P set in about two months ;)

[06:11:50]

xanderp:

generally speaking, should someone with digital stb and firewire output be able to plug that firewire into mythtv and record it, or is that just a pipe dream? (for the encrypted channels)

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Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: And does dish network / whatever allow you to use "professional recievers" on their network, or are you doing something illegal in order to make it work?

[06:12:33]

Tanthrix:

xanderp: It's hit and miss. Much better odds than finding unencrypted QAM though.

[06:12:36]

CCFL_Man2:

the receiver needs to be activted from the provider, like a c band provider

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Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: And have you ever owned one of these pieces of equipment, let alone had a provider actually activate one?

[06:13:09]

xanderp:

i've got like 6 channels of unencrypted qam, but it's the pbs/local channel variety.

[06:13:10]

Tanthrix:

xanderp: Know about the new Hauppuage card coming out?

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xanderp:

do tell

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: i'm going to use a c-band provider, with them you can authorize any motorola with a c band provider

[06:14:14]

CCFL_Man2:

i own one now, infact to test it i configured it in dvb mode and it received the fta dvb channels fine

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Tanthrix:

xanderp: It's a component hardware encoder that takes in 1080i and spits out h.264. With it and a cable provided HD tuner you'll be able to record all of your HD channels, with hopefully negliable quality loss.

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xanderp:

nice...

[06:15:16]

Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: I highly doubt your plan will work. Why would any network authorize what essentially amounts to a piracy machine to Joe Sixpack? Have you ever done it?

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xanderp:

I'm watching an infomercial of some TurboJam workout video with some RATHER nice looking young ladies in it...(they are sweating in HD)

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: how is it piracy?

[06:16:06]

CCFL_Man2:

i'm payoing for a subscription

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CCFL_Man2:

paying

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Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: It allows people to get the straight digital stream of a program and post it online. If you haven't noticed, pretty much all of the big companies are against that.

[06:17:06]

CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: thats because the big companies suck

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CCFL_Man2:

no "consumer" knows how to use dvb-asi

[06:17:34]

Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: ... so you're going to go with a magical, consumer friendly satellite network that doesn't exist?

[06:17:46]

CCFL_Man2:

www.callnps.com

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CCFL_Man2:

c band satellite provider

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Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: And you know for a fact that they will happily authorize this professional equipment of yours instead of insisting on their own stuff, or a consumer model?

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Tanthrix:

I wish the best for you, and it would be nice if more companies would do it, but experience teaches me that such things are usually unlikely.

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: you need to buy your own digicipher II receiver, providers won't sell them to you

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CCFL_Man2:

both consumer and professional dcII irds use the same security

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CCFL_Man2:

infact i really don't need to tell them what receiver i have

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CCFL_Man2:

but, i have to be tuned to the bird they sent the authorization signal

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CCFL_Man2:

from

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xanderp:

I wonder how much money is spent each year on trying to prevent people from copying television content... Wouldn't that money be better spent paying their employees/stock holders more?

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CCFL_Man2:

xanderp: damn right it will

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: the professional ird doesn't control a motor, so you need a dish pointing to the bird they sent the activation signal too, but once that is done you can tune to the channels you are authorized

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Tanthrix:

xanderp: Not that much. They are capitalistic after all. If that was the case, then they simply wouldn't do it.

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xanderp:

if Microsoft sold "Office" for 19.95, Bill would sell VASTLY more copies than they do now, earning much more $$ than they would lose to piracy if they just gave up on the whole anti-piracy war and all the money they piss down that hole.

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Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: I see.

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Tanthrix:

xanderp: I doubt that very much. If that was the case, they would have done so. They are out to make money, you know. ;)

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xanderp:

Tanthrix: I'm not saying they don't get paid for the content, advertisers pay for it now...

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joobie:

guys

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joobie:

is there a similar skin for myth that's like http://www.ubergizmo.com/zoom.php?dir=2007/10/x-face/&page=4 ?

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joobie:

that skin is for mediaportal – it freaken rocks.. trying to find a similar for myth

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xanderp:

Bill wants to put people on a 'rental program' where you basically pay him so much a year to use his software.

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Tanthrix:

I don't think there is.

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joobie:

damn

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joobie:

that is *the* best theme ive seen

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joobie:

for a media center

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** xanderp is going to bed... thanks to everyone for all the support **

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jester05:

hello

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jester05:

anyone have a clue as to why i cannot mount an ext3 partition in my portable hdd within the fstab?.. hal can mount it alright in the mtab but its not going to the location i want

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CCFL_Man2:

wow, there is almost nothing inside this professional receiver

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CCFL_Man2:

it's a huge 1U case, but practically nothing in it

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jester05:

hey CCFL_Man2 , you know why i am having problems mounting a ext3 partition on my portable HDD

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jester05:

my vfat mounts no problem

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CCFL_Man2:

could be the driver

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jester05:

well my / partition is ext3 and its fine

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jester05:

come to think of it all of the internal hdd partitions are ext3 other than the swap

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jester05:

and they're all ok

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CCFL_Man2:

could be the driver for the usb disk

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jester05:

ooo

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jester05:

hmm

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jester05:

what other format should i try to use then?

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matty-:

jester05, can you give an error instead of having us guess?

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jester05:

i need something good for RW since i'll be recording myth to it

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CCFL_Man2:

i'm not really sure

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jester05:

it doesnt give me an error, says unknown

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matty-:

jester05, what are you typing?

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jester05:

i was using the gui tool for mounting hold on i'll term it

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jester05:

ok here we go

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jester05:

mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error

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jester05:

alright i'm gonnna try something hold up

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jester05:

oh shit i got it

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jester05:

lol

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jester05:

all i did was erase that line in the fstab and put a few ###s in then re wrote it

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jester05:

my buddy mentioned mythbuntu had done it to him in the past and he did that to get around it..

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jester05:

doesnt make sense but o well lol

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jester05:

but now i dont have permission to write to it wtf

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jester05:

sweet i got it guys

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johnsu01:

jhulst: I know you've lost interest, but I found the relevant error message finally :)

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johnsu01:

Jan 20 00:11:05 spicer kernel: [drm:radeon_cp_init] *ERROR* radeon_cp_init called without lock held

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johnsu01:

Jan 20 00:11:05 spicer kernel: [drm:drm_unlock] *ERROR* Process 25527 using kernel context 0

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jester05:

hey i have my system setup to write to my portable hdd but it keeps failing for some reason

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jester05:

partition is mounted and everything

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jester05:

how can i setup my mysql database so its on my portable hdd and not on my pc hdd

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jester05:

pc hdd is internal btw

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purserj:

you'd have to change where mysql put's all it's data files

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purserj:

you can't seperate one database from the rest

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jester05:

i did i thought

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jester05:

i told it to save recordings to my portable hdd

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jester05:

under the mythtv-setup

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purserj:

oh no that's different

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purserj:

that's not your database

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purserj:

that's filesystem stuff

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jester05:

ok

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jester05:

well that should work to make it save them to my portable hdd tho right?

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jester05:

bc thats all i want to do

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jester05:

i just dont have the disk space on my internal to record tv to

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jester05:

and i bought this 500g portable hdd for that very purpose

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jester05:

shouldnt that make it work?

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jester05:

i could cheat and let it use its default file to write to but mount that file to a corresponding dir on my hdd

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jester05:

wait.. mother fucker

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jester05:

its not mounting my hdd for some reason

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jester05:

it was just fine and now its not working

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purserj:

urrgh

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jester05:

man i hope it doesnt do that often :-\

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jester05:

do you happen to know the order of what it starts

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jester05:

i need it to mount my hdd b4 it starts mysql & the myth backend

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jester05:

i have a feeling thats what the problem is

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purserj:

jester05: put the information in your fstab and it will mount along with the other filesystems

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jester05:

its in there

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jester05:

and its mounting again now

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jester05:

but for some reason my backend wont work

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jester05:

when i run mythbackend it hangs up on this line: seem to be woken up by USER

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jester05:

i think it has to do w/ a rw protection on my harddrive partition

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jester05:

i used chmod 777 -R on it tho

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jester05:

wouldnt that be enough?

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jester05:

or is there something I need to add to the mount options

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jester05:

maybe the gid of myth and mysql

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jester05:

well that works now that i put it back on my internal hdd

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jester05:

.. hmm

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jester05:

any clue what i could do?

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jester05:

maybe mount that specific that myth is trying to write to?

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jester05:

mount it to the external file?

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purserj:

okay, chmod relates to the user and group permissions, what might be happening is that your disk is being mounted as read only

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jester05:

thats what i'm thinking

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jester05:

how could i change that

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jester05:

i have the options rw,user,noauto

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jester05:

add owner to that?

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purserj:

that should be fine, you might have to tail -f /var/log/messages and then unmount and remount the drive, see what comes up

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_banyan:

Maybe I don't get the whole picture, but should the xml file that dvdunauthor creates not be compatible with dvdauthor? I'm getting an error saying ERR: Cannot match start tag 'titlemap'.

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_banyan:

or does the original xml have to be cooked in order for it to be used with dvdauthor?

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jester05:

is there a way i can mount a directory to another?

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jester05:

so when my portable hdd is not mounted it would default to recording to my internal hdd

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fedorared:

jester05: Linux? mount --bind

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jester05:

alright lemme see if it works

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jester05:

oh sweet

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jester05:

man you're a life saver

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jester05:

and that will make anythign i save to the old dir be saved to the new one actually right?

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fedorared:

Supposedly. See the man page.

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jester05:

ahh i got it

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jester05:

i had them in the wrong order

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jester05:

lol oops ;)

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jester05:

man that is incredibly awesome

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jester05:

thank you very much sir

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fedorared:

Yup.

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fedorared:

Oh good mytharchive seems to have a no rencoding option when burning to DVD

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jester05:

lol

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jester05:

hey would you mind doing me a favor..? could you look thru your settings in the fount end and see where it saves the archives ?

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jester05:

plz

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jester05:

i changed where mine are saved and wanna move it back then just bind them together

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fedorared:

No idea. I have not changed mine from the default tmp directory.

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jester05:

yeah could you look and tell me where that default tmp is at?

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jester05:

its in the front end setup thing

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jester05:

down toward the bottom of the list

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fedorared:

Just set it to what you want.

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jester05:

in the same list as where u can select to go into the apearance

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jester05:

yeah but then if my hdd isnt plugged in or fails to mount..

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jester05:

it'll keep the backend from being able to run

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jester05:

plz can you take a look for me

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fedorared:

No I'm running an archive job

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jester05:

ok

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fedorared:

We'll see how DVD players like a 480x480 image

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jester05:

lemme know how it goes

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jester05:

bet if you play it in myth it wont look bad

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jester05:

but i dunno about other players

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jester05:

WTF myth cant play dvds?

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jester05:

it just keeps running the same clip over and over right where you select full or wide screen

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jester05:

neither of them will play

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jester05:

its only doing it one 1 dvd so far...?

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jester05:

should i set it up to play w/ xine instead

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jester05:

i like xine more to begin w/

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fedorared:

Can mytharchive not keep commercials if the recording is flagged?

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jester05:

i thought it there was a setting so it wouldnt even record commercials

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jester05:

think its in the frontend settings – record profiles or something

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`Spike:

heya anybody running mythtv on obsd?

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jesse:

hey guys i have a problem.. i have an external hdd and i cannot get myth to be able to write to it

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jesse:

any suggestions?

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hads:

Myth doesn't care where the drive is, as long as the user running mythtv can write to it so can myth.

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jesse:

well i can write to it just fine

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jesse:

but mythbackend locks up

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jesse:

brb gonna reboot

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jester05:

hey its jesse

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jester05:

on another machine atm

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jester05:

what could be causing that permissions error?

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purserj:

okay what user is mythbackend running as

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jester05:

mythtv

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`Spike:

not sure if anybody saw that before netsplit

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`Spike:

Anybody running mythtv on obsd?

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jester05:

and when i login w/ mythtv i can rw to the drive no prob

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hads:

`Spike: I haven't heard any reports.

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purserj:

what are the error messages you get when you launch mythbackend

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jester05:

yeah

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`Spike:

thx

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`Spike:

anybody else heard anyting about obsd and mytv?

[09:24:42]

`Spike:

s/mytv/mythtv

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jester05:

it just freezes up and says something about being awaken by USER

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purserj:

can you pastebin the output from running mythbackend from the commandline?

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jester05:

i'm gonna try to reformat the drive in a different format .. see what that does for me

[09:25:38]

jester05:

yeah give me second tho

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rooaus:

`Spike: No, haven't heard anything that I can recall. Sorry.

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jester05:

purserj, i've made some adjustments and i'm letting it try to run it again

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jester05:

if this doesnt work i'll show you the output

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jester05:

i did erase some .nuv files that were in there b4 so dont mind that error flag

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jester05:

well flags.. lol

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ARfdee:

hi

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ARfdee:

anyone have a problem with cable to where horiz. lines constantly rise from bottom to top?

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ARfdee:

i don't know if it's some kind of interference

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rooaus:

`Spike: As I said, hadn't heard of any users that I can recall... but a grep of the source for "__FreeBSD__" returned 20 matches.

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jester05:

in the event that this fails to work i think i'm going to attempt to reformat the drive in a different format and see if that does any better

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jester05:

currently using ext3 which "should" work fine

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jester05:

but this being a 400g partition who knows

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purserj:

jester05: should be fine with ext3

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jester05:

i know but i just dont get it.. maybe something happened when i formated it that its giving weird ass permissions?

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jester05:

i've had things like that happen in the past

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jester05:

i could have 2 users in the same groups but one could write to it and the other couldnt..

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jester05:

made no logical sense at all

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rooaus:

`Spike: and "__OpenBSD__" 8 hits, not sure what that means for you though :)

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jester05:

purserj, its acting like it may figure itself out .. i'm gonna let it go for a bit

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`Spike:

yeah there is a fbsd port

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`Spike:

but not an obsd one yet unfortunately

[09:41:40]

`Spike:

do you think mythtv would run alright on a amd athlonxp 1700+ with a gb of ram?

[09:42:01]

hads:

It really depends what you want to do with it.

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`Spike:

i'm going to connect it to an hdtv

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`Spike:

and a couple of nice speakers

[09:42:23]

`Spike:

i want to be able to play music and watch movies/tv

[09:42:36]

`Spike:

i also have a wintv tv tuner card and was hoping to get it to work with it

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`Spike:

so that i could have dvr functionality (if this is possible)

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hads:

What type of input cards? What type of output resolution? etc. et.c

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hads:

Those things make a difference to the hardware requirements.

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`Spike:

no audio input (just the coax from cable with video + audio via the tuner card)

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hads:

You need to run the audio through mythtv.

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`Spike:

the majority of video and audio will come via nfs from my solaris fileserver

[09:43:45]

`Spike:

what audio?

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`Spike:

like i'll want to be able to easily listen to mp3s

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`Spike:

and i'll want to be able to easily watch movies I have on my local hdds

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`Spike:

and use my wintv tuner card to record tv off of the cable wire coming out of the wall...gets like 70 basic channels

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`Spike:

the tv comes in via coax and the wintv card has a coax input...

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`Spike:

what audio do i need to input?

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hads:

You'll want a hardware encoder card like a PVR150

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`Spike:

i'll probably use an sb audigy or at least sb live for the audio

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`Spike:

aha

[09:45:15]

`Spike:

for which part?

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`Spike:

oh

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`Spike:

letme see which wintv card i have

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`Spike:

sec

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hads:

Otherwise you'll use up your processor encoding the recordings.

[09:46:06]

`Spike:

hmmm

[09:46:11]

`Spike:

says 26552

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`Spike:

NTSC/NTSC-J

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`Spike:

rev b268

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`Spike:

p/n 5187–7619

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jester05:

how can i clear my data base?

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`Spike:

i'll go see what that is

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`Spike:

i think it is a pvr-150 from the looks of what i'm reading right now from a google search

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`Spike:

but it doesn't say that directly on here

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`Spike:

looks like a pretty nice card though

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fedorared:

pvr-150 is the most basic but certainly does hardware encoding

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jester05:

purserj, I GOT IT

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jester05:

thanks for the aid man

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leprasmurf:

hello all, quick question, can I migrate from knoppmyth to mythbuntu, keeping my database (recording schedule, previous episodes, etc) and data (/myth lvm drive)?

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Daviey:

yeah, should be able to

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jester05:

mm if you have a flash you may be able to

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jester05:

i dunno where its kept tho .. prolly var/lib/mythtv

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hads:

As long as you are going to an equal or later version of myth

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jester05:

yeah didnt think of that

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Daviey:

which it will be

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leprasmurf:

right

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hads:

Should be fine then

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jester05:

then yeah you should be able to

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jester05:

jus gotta do some research to find out where its all kept

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leprasmurf:

would I have to go in and manually import the database from backup?

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jester05:

hmm

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hads:

Just mysqldump it and then restore.

[09:55:33]

leprasmurf:

or does mythbuntu have a restore?

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jester05:

that may be the easiest way

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Daviey:

leprasmurf: remove the lvm from your /.. ie make sure one harddrive can be completely formated.. then sort out adding the lvm afterwards

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leprasmurf:

k

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jester05:

mythbuntu has a restore

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jester05:

you have to enable it

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jester05:

but its really good

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Daviey:

erm, not sure we've tested it for that

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leprasmurf:

Daviey: easier said than done, lvm spans three drives

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Daviey:

i would use mysql < import.sql and/or phpmyadmin

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Daviey:

leprasmurf: yeah, what i am saying is.. lvreduce one drive to use as /

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jester05:

mm

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Daviey:

you don't *have* to, but i would

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jester05:

i dunno man

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jester05:

i'm new to myth

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jester05:

but i love it

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jester05:

and i'm running mythbuntu right now w/ ZERO problems

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leprasmurf:

I loved it too, until my ati card blew up or something, now this black and white version isn't cutting it

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Daviey:

jester05: thats great to hear

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jester05:

lol yeah

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leprasmurf:

all I get from everyone I talk to is "go buy an nvidia"

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Daviey:

yeah, ati :`(

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hads:

Yeah

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jester05:

only thing which i think is my card.. once in a while when i start viewing tv it sucks.. audio is crackely and video lags

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Daviey:

although every month they release a new version – it is getting better

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jester05:

but just esc and start it up again and its good 2 go

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leprasmurf:

does mythbuntu have a live cd that I could test my hardware with?

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jester05:

kinda..

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Daviey:

still, i'd buy nvidia or intel atm

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jester05:

you can run a frontend from live cd

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jester05:

but for backend you have to install

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Daviey:

well.. you can test on the livecd

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leprasmurf:

hrmm, I do have a secondary backend still (I think)

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jester05:

leprasmurf, have you ran mythtv on other OSs b4?

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leprasmurf:

I've got front ends installed on my desktop and laptop

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leprasmurf:

mythbuntu specifically

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jester05:

if its supported in linux, mythbuntu will support it

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Daviey:

s/linux/ubuntu/

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leprasmurf:

dl'ing via torrent....hopefully the livecd will let me see if my hardware is screwed or not

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jester05:

anyone really use the record toggle ?

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jester05:

i dont see a use for it

[10:03:15]

jester05:

i set it to record in the program guide

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Daviey:

leprasmurf: there is #ubuntu-mythtv which also provides mythbuntu specific support... and here for mythtv support

[10:04:03]

jester05:

dont waste your time in there man

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jester05:

it sucks

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Daviey:

and with that attitude it will stay that way...

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jester05:

ask your ?s in here, just dont tell anyone you're using mythbuntu bc they'll just tell you to go there

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leprasmurf:

lol, I've been asking in the knoppmyth channel as well. not nearly as many people there

[10:04:38]

jester05:

lol

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** Daviey makes a note of jester05's name **

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leprasmurf:

in all fairness I did try there first

[10:04:55]

jester05:

lol

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jester05:

Daviey, i dont mean it in a bad way.. i'm just saying if you're having problems w/ myth specifically you should ask here

[10:05:21]

leprasmurf:

ah well, guess I'll try to sleep while this iso downloads

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jester05:

for configuration / installation of mythbuntu then thats the place

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hads:

jester05: Patience is required.

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Daviey:

jester05: isn't that what i said?

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hads:

Indeed

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Daviey:

10:03:48 < Daviey> leprasmurf: there is #ubuntu-mythtv which also provides mythbuntu specific support... and here for mythtv support

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jester05:

yeah i'm agreeing w/ that but saying that if you're having problems w/ mythtv running under mythbuntu then to ask here

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leprasmurf:

but what about things that could happen regardless of flavor?

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Daviey:

thats what i said aswell!

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jester05:

like i had a problem w/ bad playback / recording .. they guys there had no clue i talked ton one guy at 3am and he knew the prob right off the top of his head

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Daviey:

leprasmurf: here is best for that

[10:07:17]

leprasmurf:

e.g., ati tv-out no longer working. that's something that could (and probably does) happen on any flavor

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jester05:

you reinstall the driver?

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leprasmurf:

been trying to

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jester05:

also to anyone using ubuntu/ mythbuntu get the envy pack

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leprasmurf:

that's where I run into the flavor specific problem. Been trying to setup my xorg.conf to use fglrx, but whenever I restart the xsession, it just rewrites it

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jester05:

just google envy nvidia or envy ati and you'll find the deb pack

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jester05:

mythbuntu used to give me the pink screen of death but after envy no problems

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jester05:

Daviey, i do have a question for you regarding mythtv specifically..

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jester05:

why every once in a while when i start live tv does it lag and the sound is really messed up

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jester05:

could it be a driver issue?

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jester05:

i'm somewhat wondered if it might not be my power supply ... after the cards been working and i restart live tv its fine so it makes sense

[10:10:48]

jester05:

after the capacitors are charged its fine

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hads:

It could, among many other things. You're going to need to be a lot more specific and provide verbose logs etc. if you want someone to help you track down the issue.

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jester05:

well heres the thing.. it doesnt actually fail in anyway

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jester05:

everything as far as the pc knows is working fine

[10:11:31]

jester05:

just the output is horrible

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leprasmurf:

zomg, my pr0ns fux0r'd, myth sux, wtf!

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jester05:

lags and audio is extremely mr roboto ish

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leprasmurf:

sorry, just had a moment

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jester05:

anyone know if you can use multi button commands in mythtv via lirc

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jester05:

i only have 1 set of up down left right buttons, i have them set for channel and vol

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leprasmurf:

e.g., press blue button = esc + enter?

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jester05:

yeah

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leprasmurf:

from what I've found, no. but I only looked relatively quickly

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jester05:

or make blue button + chn up = fast forward

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leprasmurf:

well, except for control, alt, or shift modifiers

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jester05:

hmm

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leprasmurf:

not sure about that one

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jester05:

i could make blue button = alt

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jester05:

hmm lol

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leprasmurf:

heh, don't know if that would work, but you could assign alt+f to one key (I'm pretty sure)

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jester05:

alright

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jester05:

well its time to play lol

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jester05:

o real quick

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jester05:

how does the whole repeat / delay thing work

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leprasmurf:

haven't messed with that, but I imagine it just sets the amount of time you have to press a button for it to repeat at a specified rate

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jester05:

alright sweet

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leprasmurf:

well, I have:

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leprasmurf:

begin

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leprasmurf:

prog = mythtv

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leprasmurf:

button = CH_UP

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leprasmurf:

repeat = 3

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leprasmurf:

config = Up

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leprasmurf:

end

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jester05:

ok

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hads:

Use a pastebin.

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jester05:

hads its not ok to post something that short?

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jester05:

when only this few of ppl are talking?

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mdew-home:

we're all bots

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jester05:

whats the average lifespan for an HDD running myth lol

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jester05:

this thing is being written to non stop.. just wondering how long it will last lol

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jester05:

it was $140 for a 500g usb2.0/esata ext drive

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jester05:

case has a 3" dia fan also

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_sajko:

leprasmurf: if i remember correctly you're right.. its to stop the remote from spamming your button when you press it

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jester05:

lol anyone have a guess why lirc isnt using my users config file anymore?

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_ben:

hm, is it usual that it can take 5–7 seconds to change channels?

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hads:

Yes

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_ben:

ok cool

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hads:

That's probably a bit high but it does take a while.

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_ben:

also, when browsing whats on other channels, is there a way to read the full description?

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hads:

Browsing how?

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_ben:

sec

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_ben:

checking lirc conf

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_ben:

using up/down when watching tv

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_ben:

it brings up that bar up the bottom

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hads:

How much of the description you see will depend on the theme and font size etc.

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_ben:

ok

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bagpuss_thecat:

is anyone able to advise on how to fix the following? http://pastebin.com/m7263eb07

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bagpuss_thecat:

recording TV works, and I can view recorded programs. However, when trying to switch to LiveTV mode, it displays that in the console and bails back to the menu immediately

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Esotericisms:

My brain isn't working right this morning, how do I get access to the message set my setFlash? Is flash the only way? cause I just want to display the text on another page, not on a redirect page.

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Esotericisms:

who ACL is so annoying

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Nik_Doof:

whats the key to change tuners in livetv since the multirec merge?

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justinh:

Nik_Doof: the only information about new keybindings I could find was the trac ticket #33xx (can't remember it offhand) – though keys.txt was probably updated too

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justinh:

hopefully somebody's patch to make all tuners browsable in livetv will be adapted for multirec

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Nik_Doof:

keys.txt hasnt been updated, either that or the key doesnt work anymore

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justinh:

I'll have a peek at the ticket comments. it's a long one

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Nik_Doof:

ahh got it

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Nik_Doof:

bout half way down 3326

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justinh:

ticket #3326

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** justinh checks keys.txt **

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Nik_Doof:

i now need to prise the remote out the hand of the SO for 5secs to change it :)

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justinh:

hmmm it wasn't updated. bum

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justinh:

eh? I changed my local copy of keys.txt but svn diff isn't showing it as a difference

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directhex:

is it svn:ignore'd?

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directhex:

try --no-ignore?

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justinh:

ah I'd edited it before svn up

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justinh:

reverted it & edited again. now I get a diff

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justinh:

bah there's a further note down the page about the keybindings

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justinh:

seems to say much the same as the earlier note... without trying it myself I'd not commit the change to keys.txt

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clever:

Nik_Doof: the plugin mythcontrols for editing the bindings should still show the new/current ones

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justinh:

clever: that isn't the point

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clever:

yeah updating keys.txt would help but the plugin will allways show the current state of what it realy is

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Nik_Doof:

http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/13917

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Nik_Doof:

thats the change with the new keys

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Nik_Doof:

had to hunt that down to find out what it actually changed to

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Nik_Doof:

as SWITCHCARDS is now NEXTCARD :)

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justinh:

SWITCHCARDS kinda sounded like hey, only two cards :)

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clever:

and probly isnt something to cycle inputs on a card

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elmargol:

Hi

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elmargol:

I try to scan Astra 19.2E, how do I do this?

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elmargol:

Frequency = 12551500 ?

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justinh:

whee and a new plasma-ish selectbar is born :)

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justinh:

nicked the idea from mythxface but there ya go

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justinh:

wow they're complicated to draw. 6 layers. draw some lines & shapes, blur em to feck, adjust transparency, move em around. yeesh

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justinh:

wish PSP had blur layers. but then I wish Photoshop did aswell

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justinh:

duh! why didn't I just use inkscape & clipping paths instead?! eejut

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justinh:

scalable then too

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justinh:

elmargol: you need to enter more than just the frequency IIRC

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elmargol:

There is no documentation about this .(

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justinh:

users can write documentation too. if they can be bothered

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elmargol:

Can I get a list of my channels? And search one?

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_mre|666:

naevity?

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_mre|666:

sounds like an interesting idea

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_mre|666:

and wouldn't be hard to implement really

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_mre|666:

justinh: you have a mythtv box?

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_mre|666:

whoa... of course, this is #mythtv-users

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_mre|666:

heh.... thought i clicked on #politics

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_mre|666:

this guy does kinda sound fearful that satelites are reading his brainwaves

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_mre|666:

heh

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otwin:

hmm, why does he want to start with putting the ny times out of business, isn't there much worse...

[14:27:56]

clever:

ive found a blog online about hp laser printers putting dot paterns into the printed pages

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clever:

which is somehow linked to your printer serial #

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justinh:

_mre|666: the thing is though, mythtv isn't likely to ever support distributing content by p2p networks

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justinh:

otwin: yeah I'd personally start with NewsCorp

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bobbob1016:

I am trying to get MythTV working on my Ubuntu Gutsy machine, and I am running into mysql issues. It says run /something/mysqladmin -u root password 'new-password' (I've tried with new-password as well as typing my own password) and all mysql says is that the connection failed because Access was denied root@localhost using password: NO. Any ideas?

[14:28:33]

justinh:

start near or at the top

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justinh:

bobbob1016: oh you might just have dismissed a popup during installation too readily

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clever:

i do that often but i know mysql enough to manualy fix the above problem

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justinh:

the one where it tells you there's no root mysql password & asks if you want to set one maybe?

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** justinh puts up the sign saying "mythtv on ubuntu problems this way", pointing towards #ubuntu-mythtv **

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bobbob1016:

justinh, I read them. Which one are you talking about, the one that gave me my password, or the one saying run mythtv-setup. I never got one asking for a password, as far as I remember, I did this half an hour ago.

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clever:

fixing the root pw in mysql sounds like a general #mysql problem to me

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justinh:

nah it's an ubuntu-ism

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clever:

and you can allways hyjack it with the lost root pw method:P

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clever:

which needs system root

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justinh:

true. googling 'reset mysql root password' always used to work for me

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clever:

yeah

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_ben:

hehe

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clever:

its somewhere on mysql.com

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_ben:

its funny having to reset root's password on live production system cos some eejit forgot it

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bobbob1016:

I copied the password it gave me during the installation if that is what you mean.

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justinh:

what I object to is the very fact that this kind of thing shouldn't be happening at all if the packaging does everything right

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clever:

default to asking you or default to wide open?:P

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justinh:

fwiw this channel might as well be called #mythtv-mysql-on-ubuntu-problems

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AndyCap:

so what distros are officially sanctioned mythtv distros then?

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GreyFoxx:

None

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bobbob1016:

Thanks for helping, although it could be done with a little less ubuntu-bashing, I'll go to ubuntu-mythtv.

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GreyFoxx:

and the only official package is the source tarball available on mythtv.org :)

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justinh:

I wasn't bashing ubuntu, merely pointing out the fact the mysql stuff on ubuntu is starting to wear thin again

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clever:

im using svn trunk without much trouble

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justinh:

I tested out the ubuntu packages on a freshly installed box & did indeed manage to screw it up by dismissing all the popups without reading them

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clever:

the 2nd bigest problem with the mysql on ubuntu

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clever:

massive bin logs on by default!

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justinh:

however I found that on reinstalling the distro & repeating the process, reading the popups & making notes resulted in a working box

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clever:

eats many gig without warning

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_ben:

why the hell would you have bin logging on ?

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clever:

its on by default!!!

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_ben:

its not like you're going to replicate databases

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clever:

and i keep forgeting when i reinstall

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GreyFoxx:

clever: uhhh..... maybe in your distro packages :)

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

thats what i was pointing out

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GreyFoxx:

ok :)

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justinh:

_ben: it's not even as if an average user will bother trying to reinstate a database from a binary log either

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clever:

most of the main stuff in my mysql server is just info logged off an online game

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_ben:

but yeah clever, just noticed binlogs on my ubunutu box

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clever:

most of it i reset every 2months

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_ben:

sigh, i hate ubuntu

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clever:

doesnt hurt much ifi loose a chunk

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justinh:

I'm not much of an ubuntu fan if I'm honest but it's a path of least hassle compared to others I've tried

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justinh:

I'm not much of a PC fan either though

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_ben:

well, doesn't really help me being a hardcore BSD user

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clever:

i recomend ubuntu to friends who dont know linux very well

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justinh:

_ben: the advantages BSD offers aren't really much use to the average mythtv frontend sitting in people's lounges ;)

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clever:

ive recently found some info online on hacking the security fuse's in microcontrolers

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clever:

you basicaly eat the case of the chip off with acid then cover the flash with tape

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justinh:

clever: a method not readily reproduced at home though

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clever:

and erase the fuses with uv light

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clever:

yeah he was sending the chips in to a company to get them decaped because of the acids

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clever:

and he was able to identify the parts of the uc under a microscope just by looking at it

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clever:

http://bunniestudios.com/blog/images/pic/security_fuses.jpg

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clever:

the large patches of metal are sheilds to protect the fuses from being erased by uv light

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clever:

for just this reason!:P

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clever:

http://bunniestudios.com/blog/images/pic/flashdiagram.gif shows how to bypass them

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justinh:

pretty damn high power scope

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

he's also got pics of some of the security chips from the xbos 360

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clever:

part of the design is to make each layer even and equal for some odd reason

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clever:

so it has tons of extra bits of metal to balance it

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clever:

which make it imposible to see the lower layers

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clever:

without eating the uper layers off and destroying the chip

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clever:

he's even got an old electron microscope in his house!

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clever:

http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=84

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clever:

http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=67

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clever:

bbl, read those for fun:)

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justinh:

"BA pilot feared all would die". yeah well the last thing on my mind as a plane crashes into the ground would be what I'm going to do after collecting my luggage, I imagine

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justinh:

ffs. obvious headlines. like "celeb distraught at death of his mother". Well DUH

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mkrufky:

[OT] anybody have verizon wireless and want to recommend a new phone?

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GreyFoxx:

hahaha I love my label on mythtvtalk.com is "Mythtv Rookie" :)

[16:05:29]

mkrufky:

ha, and im a dvb newbie

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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mkrufky:

i wish i knew a good place to ask about cell phones. ... its not exactly a typical irc topic, but i *do* want a geek's opinion

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jamesd:

mkrufky, i found all the new phones that weren't blackberry type were boring or cheap looking, or over priced fluff.. i ended up buying my second razr in a row...

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** GreyFoxx really dislikes his blackberries **

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GreyFoxx:

I'vw wanted a Nokia N93 for 2 years

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GreyFoxx:

but they are just too expensive :)

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GreyFoxx:

I can't justify the cost heh

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tjcarter:

crackberry sucks

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mkrufky:

hmm, i heard the razr isn't that great, and i heard good things about the blackberry pearl ... i never really wanted blackberry in particular, but i might go for it this time

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mkrufky:

u think blackberry sucks enough that i shouldn't bother?

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jamesd:

i dislike what they charge for them and verizon wants to tack on $45 a month for data services... when on the razr the same stuff is basicly free... but no full keyboard

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mkrufky:

why would it be free based on a different phone?

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directhex:

i like my phone a lot

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directhex:

there are a couple of annoying niggles, but all phones have those

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directhex:

it's the best phone i've owned, and i've owned pretty much every brand

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jamesd:

email is free on razr, web type access is close to free.. may use a minute here or there...

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mkrufky:

directhex: which phone?

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directhex:

mkrufky, samsung d600. "basic" phone by modern standards, but pretty well specified

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mkrufky:

jamesd: ah, i already have that $5 / month cheapo data plan — thats what i plan to stick with

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directhex:

decent bluetooth implementation, 2mpixel camera, 80 meg or so of integrated storage, nice screen

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directhex:

responsive OS

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mkrufky:

directhex right now i have samsung a950 — i love it and none of the new phones seem anything like it..... but ive been up for my "new every two" for the past 5 months already

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GreyFoxx:

jamesd: Does the razr have a "real" email client?

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jamesd:

mkrufky, verizion makes that hard to do with a blackberry... they either want unlimited at $40+ a month, or per k rate

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GreyFoxx:

pop/imap and such ?

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jamesd:

GreyFoxx, no, but if you want real email.. i pull out my laptop and use gmail

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GreyFoxx:

I want a regular flip phone that has a real pop client at least

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mkrufky:

jamesd: so, if i get the blackberry without buying the $45 plan then its basically pointlesS?

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mkrufky:

samsung u740 looks like a fair compromise .... seems like a basic flip + some extra features , nothing too crazy

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GreyFoxx:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N93 I've been drooling over that for a while :)

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GreyFoxx:

video playback, tvout as well

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mkrufky:

tv out connectivity!

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GreyFoxx:

yeah It's my holy grail cellphyone :)

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mkrufky:

wow

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jamesd:

mkrufky, that is the conclusion i came up with, especially when i would of had to pay an extra $100 over the basicly free normal phone i was entitiled too

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mkrufky:

id totally buy this one ... but i bet verizon doesnt carry it

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GreyFoxx:

mkf: wifi support and a voip client too

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: it's so .. not small.

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mkrufky:

verizon dont carry any openMoko capable phones, either :-(

[16:19:28]

GreyFoxx:

tjcarter:It's no thicker than my wallet, so I can live with that

[16:19:53]

tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: I wound up with a heavily unauthorized iPhone.

[16:20:08]

tjcarter:

It took much doing to make it a good PDA.

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directhex:

http://www.mobile-phones-uk.org.uk/samsung-d600.htm &nda sh; old and cheap

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jamesd:

mkrufky, yeap the other problem with verizion.... but free phones, and my wife who is phone addicted has 99% of all her friends on verizon, so most if not all of her calls are free... we don't go over our 1400 minutes, with 3 phones ever.... usually were under a 1000 which is not bad with her + a teenager using 2 of the phones. our "in minutes" is usually over 2500 a month

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tjcarter:

But it's a good size at least, and where I live 3G will happen when hell freezes

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blkorpheus:

whaddup

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mkrufky:

yeah , i never go over my minutes and im quite happy with verizon service

[16:23:05]

blkorpheus:

yeah, I'm feeling Nokia too oldman

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jamesd:

i just wish they would unlock there phones... a few java applets would rock, but i don't want to pay $8 each for them... so i usually just do news and i do have one poker game.

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mkrufky:

ok, thanks for the cell phone talk ... i still haven't decided, but maybe will be easier with the phones in front of me in the store

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** mkrufky will bbl **

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opentrinity:

hi iamlindoro i try to connect my notebook to backend of pc that u have help me to configure...but says that there is an incompatibility...in particular server use network protocol 36 but slave use 31....i have to upgrade to svn my notebook mythtv?

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justinh:

opentrinity: oh yay

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justinh:

you can't mix versions of mythtv. oh no siree bob

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opentrinity:

wow :-/

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opentrinity:

it is a little problem ...i'm not sure to make it correctly

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justinh:

just use all the same version of mythtv on every box. it isn't difficult to make sure of that

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opentrinity:

justinh: i understand... but in the other pc iamlindoro helps me to installa from svn....now i try to make alone .... i cross my finger

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justinh:

I don't do hand-holding, every step of the way walkthroughs here :)

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justinh:

if that makes me evil, then I'm evil

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** justinh smacks inkscape **

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justinh:

not that many apps lock up so hard you have to kill them yourself these days

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opentrinity:

justinh: ??

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: how long have you been a member of mythtvtalk.com? :-O

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GreyFoxx:

justin a while, a year or more

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GreyFoxx:

I just rarely post

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GreyFoxx:

I usually only go to it if I see someone post a link from here

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GreyFoxx:

then I read the newest stuff

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justinh:

wooo #4501 looks useful to those who like livetv

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CCFL_Man3:

drake digital stuff is expensive

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CCFL_Man3:

and blonder tongue

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justinh:

hmmm seems inkscape isn't the WYSIWYG app it once was :-\

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justinh:

use blurs that look fine & confined onscreen & export objects as bitmaps... oops

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justinh:

bye bye inkscape. it's been nice knowing ya

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zabadapp:

mythtv-question: Anyone knows how xmltv-grabber and dvb-t channels work together? The first one will add lots of channels when running, but I also need to scan for DVB-channels or else I won't see anything. That gives a second set of channels without EPG-data. If I add the xmltv-id:s to the dvb-t channels I do get EPG, but mythweb seems do searches in the first set, and if I delete them I loose EPG for dvb-t ...

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justinh:

and another thing going against mythxface I've learned. the tarball is hosted on megaupload ffs

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CCFL_Man2:

who is going to order me a macbook air

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Yahooadam:

somone with more money then brain cells

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CCFL_Man2:

you don't like mac hardware

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CCFL_Man2:

it runs darwin

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justinh:

who is going to buy me a mac mini to stop me coming in this channel? :D

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justinh:

www.onemacminipermythtvthemecreator.org

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CCFL_Man2:

i have an intel mac mini

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CCFL_Man2:

whats a good dvb-s card for fta reception?

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CCFL_Man2:

without eeprom issues, etc

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Daviey:

CCFL_Man2: Nova's seem good

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CCFL_Man2:

Daviey: what do you use?

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Daviey:

CCFL_Man2: i use Nova's for dvb-t

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Daviey:

will soon use it for dvb-s if i can convince MrsDaviey that a sat' is a good idea

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh, you are in europe

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Daviey:

yus

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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psm321:

anyone happen to have written an updated mythlink script w/ support for storage groups?

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justinh:

mythrename.pl --link

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justinh:

already in trunk

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opentrinity:

http://pastebin.ca/866560 what libraries i have to install...?

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psm321:

justdave: hmm does it handle finding the files if the location in the db is incorrect?

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justinh:

opentrinity: is this on debian/ubuntu ?

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psm321:

oops that was to justinh

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opentrinity:

debian lenny

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justinh:

psm321: if the location in the db isn't right won't mythtv have problems too?!

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justinh:

opentrinity: sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv mythtvplugins

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justinh:

er.. mythplugins

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psm321:

justinh: nope, thats why i was asking about storage groups... myth searches through all the defined directories for the file

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justinh:

not mythtvplugins

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justinh:

psm321: it should work fine

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justdave:

that's an idea for a future feature I'm sure though. Is there enough information in the database to identify a file if it moves and something were to go looking for it?

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justinh:

what?!

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psm321:

justdave: theres the filename

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justinh:

if a user is messed up enough to move a file go looking for it?

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psm321:

i've considered writing a patch to separate out the dir and filename fields

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psm321:

justinh: thats one of the selling points of storage groups

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psm321:

justinh: that you can move files around within the defined driectories

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justdave:

I rearrange my mythvideo directories every so often

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justinh:

next we'll be talking about making linux autorepair files the user didn't back up when they screwed up something by accidentally deleting it

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zabadapp:

in the channel editor, what information ties a dvb-t channel to it? for analogue tv-cards there was a second screen with frequencies, but for dvb-t there isn't any equivalent I can see ... using 0.20.2

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justdave:

usually wind up re-scanning and deleting the old records, and re-running the script to generate the thumbnails

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justinh:

you can't go taking responsibility for users doing stupid things IMHO

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justinh:

zabadapp: mplexid

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psm321:

justinh: dude, it only searches through the defined directories, not all over the fs

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psm321:

justinh: how would you propose someone who redoes their directory structure go about fixing it? manually edit every entry in the db?

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psm321:

justinh: plus thats what makes storage groups a viable replacement for lvm... the fact that you can move things around

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justinh:

psm321: I propose that they don't

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justinh:

you can't legislate for users doing stupid things, nor should you

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psm321:

its not a stupid thing though

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** psm321 hopes justinh doesnt commit a patch to make things work his way :-D **

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justinh:

moving files around yourself? jesus it's a remote control driven PVR app

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psm321:

if thats all people wanted theyd by using a tivo...

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justinh:

I'd say support moving files from the GUI rather than allowing users to move stuff themselves & go looking for it

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zabadapp:

justinh: is that in the channel editor? or is it in the sql-db?

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psm321:

my mythbox is not just my mythbox, it does other things too

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psm321:

justinh: too cumbersome for doing a mass move or selective moves

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justinh:

psm321: so let it be then!

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justinh:

put your request in /dev/null – er I mean the feature request section of the wiki

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psm321:

justinh: myth already does this

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psm321:

justinh: i was wondering if the mythrename script does... if not i'll just script it myself :)

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justinh:

just bloody try it

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justinh:

ffs man

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Widget:

'lo

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Widget:

quick question for uk users – is bbc radio 1 still on freeview as its own channel? I can only get 1xtra now!

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psm321:

justinh: woah chill man... whats the harm in asking? its not like i'm badgering people to tell me... youre the one who kept the discussion going

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justinh:

psm321: do not tell me to chill

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justinh:

Widget: course it is

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psm321:

justinh: sorry

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Widget:

justinh: well, i thought i'd check :D it must have moved to a different multiplex though, as I can't tune to it or (unsurprisngly) get EIT data for it

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justinh:

psm321: it'd be reasonable to assume that a newer version of the script would er.. just work with the updated functionality normally

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CCFL_Man2:

who here uses a dvb-s card?

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justinh:

Widget: the radio channels moved a while back but AFAIK they've not moved again recently

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Widget:

justinh: i've not tried it recently, so this is probably the first time I've noticed

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zabadapp:

justinh: I do have the transport frequencies so I can watch the channels, but no EPG. For the xmltv-added channels I have EPG but can't be watched. I would either A) like to insert each dvb-channel id(?) into the xmltv-channels, or B) insert the xmltv-id's into the dvb-channels. But with B) mythweb seems to be revolting and only show search results from the xmltv-channels (that aren't watchable)..

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justinh:

zabadapp: use phpmyadmin or a similar application to edit the database info

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zabadapp:

justinh: but for A) I can't find any such ID ... is "mplexid" that?

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justinh:

zabadapp: forget about A)

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zabadapp:

justinh: Ahh! so it is in the database!!? thanks!

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justinh:

zabadapp: _everything_ is in the database

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zabadapp:

justinh: yes .. but i meant, "not accessible through a gui in mythweb or mythsetup" .. :-)

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** KjetilK adds a bit about udev rules to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Volume_K . . . t_udev_rules **

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KjetilK:

please correct if it is silly

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justinh:

zabadapp: some basic mysql to find the xmltvids for channels would be SELECT xmltvid, name from channel where mplexid=NULL;

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justinh:

Widget: you might end up having to delete all your channels & rescan. But it'd be worth trying a 'scan existing transports' first IIRC

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zabadapp:

justinh: thanks alot, I think I can manage now that I know there is no setting available for it... Im gonna find me a nice mysql-client now :-)

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Widget:

justinh: I've done one of them recently

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Widget:

i'll do a backup at some point and rescan then

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justinh:

I see linuxmce has added VDR. such faith they must have in mythtv

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jester05:

hey what settings do you guys use for live tv?

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jester05:

do you record mp4

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jester05:

or the rtj or whatever it is

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, most of us don't waste time with framegrabbers so neither

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jester05:

what do you mean

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iamlindoro_:

meaning you only use MP4/RTJpeg for software encoder cards, "Framegrabbers."

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jester05:

i'm talking about when you record

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iamlindoro_:

Yes, I know that

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jester05:

ooooo

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** justinh gets nice & juicy dvb-t. no messing with encoders **

[19:42:15]

jester05:

alright

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iamlindoro_:

If you get your signal from a decent card, ie a PVR-x50, an ATSC card, or a DVB card, everything already comes in as an mpeg-2 stream

[19:42:44]

jester05:

yeah when i watch digital its that way

[19:43:05]

jester05:

but my campus uses analog for normal cable channels

[19:43:08]

justinh:

jester05: from what I know of software encoders it's a tradeoff between CPU usage & recorded file size

[19:43:15]

iamlindoro_:

That's what pvr-150s are for

[19:43:23]

justinh:

rtjpeg is better for lower speed systems but it _eats_ HDD space

[19:43:26]

iamlindoro_:

That analog that gets hardware encoded into mpeg-2 streams

[19:44:06]

jester05:

I have a Dvico fusion HDTV 3 gold T

[19:44:22]

jester05:

i think its supposed to do hardware.. its prolly only for atsc tho

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iamlindoro_:

So if you use that for analog (which is a *waste* of a good card) it is just a framegrabber

[19:44:34]

justinh:

no it wouldn't be doing hardware encoding

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jester05:

justinh, i have a p4 2.26ghz and it seems to do both ftj & mp4 just fine

[19:45:12]

jester05:

so should i go w/ mp4?

[19:45:59]

justinh:

screwed if I know. framegrabbers suck

[19:46:16]

jester05:

lol

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jester05:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

buy a proper card if all you can get is analog

[19:46:32]

iamlindoro_:

PVR-150/250/350/500

[19:46:38]

jester05:

i've thoughta bout it..

[19:46:40]

iamlindoro_:

well, don't get the 250 or 350

[19:46:48]

jester05:

will any of those do digital too?

[19:46:52]

iamlindoro_:

nope

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iamlindoro_:

just use two cards

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jester05:

i'm only living here till summer then i will be off campus and have digital cable

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justinh:

jester05: analogue cards are still only worth the effort for capturing from a STB where there's no firewire or other digital signal available

[19:47:44]

mikeylikesit5805:

hi all im looking for a way to play .nuv files in ubuntu any ideas

[19:48:03]

siXy:

mikeylikesit5805: vlc

[19:48:09]

jester05:

hmm

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justinh:

don't think anything outside of mythtv can play .nuv files. the solution is not to use a framegrabber

[19:48:36]

Captain_Murdoch:

mplayer

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eric:

Can somone tell me the way to check out a certian version of svn like 15447?

[19:48:45]

eric:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv?rev=15447

[19:48:47]

jester05:

is 1g per hour alot for recording video?

[19:48:49]

justinh:

mplayer can? since when?

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iamlindoro_:

-r ####

[19:48:52]

justinh:

jester05: no

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jester05:

ok

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mikeylikesit5805:

siXy, i tried that, and mplayer, with mplayer i just get a green screen and with vlc dont get anything

[19:49:23]

quicksilver:

How do I make myth notice when a CD/DVD is inserted?

[19:49:29]

quicksilver:

I set up the settings :)

[19:49:46]

quicksilver:

but I don't htink it's getting the insert event at all. what is the mechanism supposed to be?

[19:49:48]

siXy:

mikeylikesit5805: that probably means the ubuntu folks have packaged vlc wierdly. try #ubuntu

[19:49:57]

mikeylikesit5805:

ok thanks siXY

[19:50:08]

Captain_Murdoch:

mplayer has had support for a while. used to be an external patch, but is now in there. libavformat also has more advanced nuv support, but not fully complete.

[19:50:27]

mikeylikesit5805:

thanks captian_Murdoch

[19:50:33]

justinh:

just my own personal axe but I'd love to see framegrabber disappear altogether

[19:50:40]

eric:

<iamlindoro_> -r #### so svn -r 15447

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iamlindoro_:

svn co -r 15447, yes

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eric:

ok thanks

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justinh:

eric: and the URL of course :)

[19:51:24]

justinh:

up to the ?

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eric:

ok thanks

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** justinh stops thinking about mythsudoku. stoppit! **

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justinh:

there's more important work to do damnit

[19:52:41]

iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: please put your uestions in the channel instead of pm, apt-get install libxv-dev

[19:53:02]

opentrinity:

sorry :-/

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justinh:

lucky. that'd be a one-way ticket in my irc client

[19:54:36]

iamlindoro_:

I'm fostering intercontinental cooperation... or something.

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siXy:

justinh: had a wedding this w/end i forgot about, but had a look at that .c code and the diskspace/misc usage piechart thingy looks pretty doable, even by me

[19:55:44]

jester05:

how well does commercial skipping work?

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iamlindoro_:

Very well, but I wouldn't trust it enough to cut them out before I've approved the cuts.

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jester05:

ok

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siXy:

jester05: better in the US than elsewhere i'm told. worth setting a max skip limit, and also worth manually pressing skip rather than chopping them out automatically. more than good enough to be useful, however

[19:57:53]

jester05:

alright thanks

[19:58:04]

jester05:

i have another ? lol

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jester05:

hold on i may have got this one

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justinh:

siXy: coolness. remains to be seen how a new widget will be received though

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FinnTux:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 <- so this correct way even when using svn version?

[20:01:38]

justinh:

as for how well commercial flagging works. it's a very large YMMV

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justinh:

FinnTux: probably not

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jester05:

how long does it save "live tv" recordings?

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siXy:

justinh: frankly i couldn't give a damn if it doesn't get accepted into upstream. as long as it works for me, and anyone else who wants it thats fine by me

[20:02:35]

iamlindoro_:

A day or until space is needed

[20:02:38]

siXy:

i don't 'do' development politics :)

[20:02:56]

iamlindoro_:

siXy: You doing a disk space widget?

[20:02:58]

justinh:

siXy: I can't see it being a problem though – I mean it'd bring a nice bit of user-friendliness

[20:03:12]

iamlindoro_:

a la the userlist clamoring?

[20:03:19]

siXy:

iamlindoro: yeah. well a gen-purpose one really, with disk space ebing primary application

[20:03:31]

siXy:

yeah that thread made me giggle :)

[20:03:44]

justinh:

siXy: I think the main gripe with new widgets is bringing new ones in which do similar things to existing ones

[20:03:45]

iamlindoro_:

Very cool, I imagine that would be well received... Maybe the userlist can create a thread to "vote on it" again hehe

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GreyFoxx:

jester05: 24 hours by default

[20:03:57]

jester05:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

If you want to keep them you need to change their recording group

[20:04:08]

jester05:

yeah

[20:04:10]

jester05:

i dont

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siXy:

iamlindoro: yeah then i end up with 2.5gb of bloat for one widget :P

[20:04:21]

jester05:

i was just looking at some stuff and didnt quite understand it

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iamlindoro_:

heh

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: if I want to ask anybody's opinion I keep it to places I'm talking to mythtv developers. not the -dev list

[20:05:27]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Oh, of course, it was said tongue in cheek

[20:05:32]

jester05:

other than in all programs is there a way to view stuff that has been recorded live?

[20:06:40]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: anything else turns into "what colour should the shed be painted?" ;)

[20:07:07]

jarle:

jester05: you could probably turn on filter in "all programs"

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siXy:

if you don't say purple you are clearly stupid

[20:07:37]

siXy:

</sample reply>

[20:07:43]

califdreas:

wasn't there a thread aboout renaming video sources? perhaps that thread is still open even?

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justinh:

califdreas: at the end of the day some people agreed it needs to be changed. to what, isn't clear yet. it's not a high priority thing anyway, so stay tuned....

[20:09:51]

justinh:

granted it'll make zillions of howtos in blog entries totally wrong overnight but I don't think I care about that

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califdreas:

i sure will. It was such a good example of totally open democracy :P

[20:10:57]

Widget:

dinnah, ttyl

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Most of those blog entries are long since wrong anyway

[20:12:18]

califdreas:

anyways, now to something completely different: does anyone here have trouble getting emails from the myth mailing lists?

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iamlindoro_:

If by troubles you mean getting four of them a day and they're all filled with useless tripe solvable by googling, then yes.

[20:13:07]

creature:

Hello. How much space, roughly, will I need per hour for recording stuff from analogue TV? I'm not looking for precise numbers, just something rough.

[20:13:58]

califdreas:

iamlindoro: nope, more like not getting anything at all.

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iamlindoro_:

It's going to depend entirely on the bitrate you set, it could be under a GB per hour all the way up to multiple gigabytes per hour... So it's awfully difficult to approximate

[20:15:11]

iamlindoro_:

It'll look like absolute shit at less than a gig an hour... but analog looks like shit anyway.

[20:15:28]

califdreas:

i found that ~2GB per hour gives me good quality recordings.

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opentrinity:

:-/ before server use network protocol 36 and client 31 ...now server 36 client 37 ....

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creature:

OK, and does mythtv have to transcode stuff? eg. is it going to stream in (say) a 10GB/hour file and transcode it later to something like 2GB/hour?

[20:17:07]

iamlindoro_:

creature: you can set it to leave it alone, or you can set it to autotranscode... the only time you will get near 10 GB an hour would be a pure 1080 stream, though, so never for analog (unless you set the bitrate uselessly high)

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro_ if i upgrade is safe operation or i could find some trouble?

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: upgrade should be fine on your backend... stop the backend, go to the mythtv source directory, svn up, ./configure --previous, make, make install, restart the backend, then do the exact same thing for mythplugins

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro --previous --->was your job??? do u remember? /usr/local?

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iamlindoro_:

opentrinity: --previous will show you your last configure options

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iamlindoro_:

./configure --previous

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** opentrinity shame **

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mediabuntu:

hey guys I'm after a card that can switch channels fast, i know the Hauppauge WinTV "Nova-T 500 Dual digital DVB-T PCI TV Tuner " is popular can any one vouch for it

[20:27:17]

KjetilK:

I'm trying to get my lircd up with two devices, with the help of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Volume_Knob_on_Antec_Fusion and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=649516#6

[20:28:05]

KjetilK:

I think I've gotten my /etc/init.d/lirc about as it is supposed to on Debian/Ubuntu

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KjetilK:

ps reports that the two lines starting an lircd are

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KjetilK:

start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec /usr/sbin/lircd — --driver=default --device=/dev/lirc_imon --output=/dev/lircd --pidfile=/var/run/lircd.pid --connect=localhost:8765

[20:29:01]

siXy:

mediabuntu: none of them will switch channels close to as fast as a normal tv

[20:29:06]

KjetilK:

start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec /usr/sbin/lircd — --driver=default --device=/dev/lirc_pvr --output=/dev/lircd1 --pidfile=/var/run/lircd1.pid --listen

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siXy:

because mythtv's livetv isn't strictly speaking live.

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KjetilK:

but when I launch them both, in different order, only the first line launched will run

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** KjetilK doesn't quite grok why one has --listen and the other has --connect, and suspects that has something to do with it **

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mediabuntu:

siXy This is a huge disappoint to me, i was impressed when i used these card on vista mce

[20:31:42]

mediabuntu:

yeh i know there's a bit of a delay on live tv.

[20:32:21]

siXy:

mediabuntu: I haven't witnessed mythtv's live tv switching as fast as windows vista mce. That said, i don't really use it, so i haven't tried that hard.

[20:34:06]

mediabuntu:

yeah i used updated drivers. and they seem to have improved greatly.

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enhanced:

Has anyone been able to get the xbox360 (native) to work w/ Mythtv as a frontend?

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directhex:

enhanced, it won't play mpeg2 over the network

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mediabuntu:

sorry about that

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enhanced:

no worries

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mediabuntu:

oops

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directhex:

enhanced, GreyFoxx is the clever cookie working on 360-related capabilities

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enhanced:

gotcha, how are those coming along?

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GreyFoxx:

enhanced: Works perfectly with mythvideo content

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directhex:

enhanced, but generally, the ps3 is a better frontend (though still not "good") because it'll play recordings unaltered from some providers

[20:42:52]

GreyFoxx:

you can navigate it like a directory share

[20:43:07]

enhanced:

gotcha

[20:43:11]

GreyFoxx:

but the 360 will not show anything but avi, wmv and mp4

[20:43:17]

enhanced:

directhex: yeah, if I had one of those and not the 360 ;-)

[20:43:27]

directhex:

use them to play games!

[20:43:28]

GreyFoxx:

It's in their FAQ that they wont play mpeg2 unless you use the MCE exten der

[20:43:34]

GreyFoxx:

no mpeg2 off disk, usbstick or upnp

[20:43:38]

GreyFoxx:

that kinda sucks

[20:43:45]

GreyFoxx:

otherwise it would be very handy :)

[20:43:49]

enhanced:

GreyFoxx: do U have a URL with more info?

[20:43:58]

GreyFoxx:

just my brain :)

[20:44:02]

enhanced:

hehe

[20:44:03]

directhex:

it's all in his... like he said

[20:44:12]

GreyFoxx:

If you have questions ask and I will answer as best I can :)

[20:44:18]

GreyFoxx:

music is close to done

[20:44:22]

enhanced:

I am just new to the mythtv scene anyway...I'm a security / BSD whore so..

[20:44:24]

GreyFoxx:

just a few things left to do

[20:44:41]

** GreyFoxx jsut finished porting myth to OpenBSD this morning **

[20:44:52]

enhanced:

and google produced many useless results when searching

[20:44:57]

enhanced:

GreyFoxx++

[20:44:59]

GreyFoxx:

though there is a segfault in playback I need to check out

[20:45:18]

GreyFoxx:

but the backend would work for network recording, and likely transcoding/commflagging

[20:45:48]

enhanced:

really I just want to playback dvds through my xbox360 and not use Winblows stuff

[20:46:00]

GreyFoxx:

the 360 wont do it

[20:46:07]

enhanced:

of course

[20:46:08]

GreyFoxx:

not natively at least

[20:46:17]

GreyFoxx:

unless you have them on disk and use the dvdrom

[20:46:23]

enhanced:

I have an original xbox that I modded

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enhanced:

but can't get High Def with that via XBMC and Myth from what I read

[20:47:13]

GreyFoxx:

I was very happy at the lastest 360 udpate to include proper divx/xvid support

[20:47:21]

GreyFoxx:

but disappointed to discover the mpeg2 limit

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enhanced:

yeh

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enhanced:

that's bizarre

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directhex:

anti-myth feature!

[20:47:51]

GreyFoxx:

at first I assumed there was something weird I needed to reverse engineer

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enhanced:

so I could playback via mythtv through a native 360 if I trans-coded

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GreyFoxx:

yeah you could

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enhanced:

but of course I lose my high def then

[20:48:29]

GreyFoxx:

only if you scale it down

[20:48:38]

enhanced:

right...

[20:48:38]

GreyFoxx:

there is no reason it can't remain hd

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mediabuntu:

hey guys my mythtv has like 5 scheduled recordings but doesn't actually record any thing, mythweb shows stuff that should have been recorded but it wasn't really.

[20:48:49]

enhanced:

I could do AVI but that will take up an assload of hd space yes?

[20:49:02]

GreyFoxx:

enhanced: still less than the original mpeg2 recording :)

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siXy:

AVI is a container only.

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GreyFoxx:

avi is just the container, it can have any codec in it

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enhanced:

ok, so ideally what format should I use

[20:49:30]

GreyFoxx:

h264 / xvid

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enhanced:

from a space/definition perspective?

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GreyFoxx:

h264

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enhanced:

ok

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siXy:

xvid on lowend hardware, however

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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enhanced:

I am familiar w/ the h264 codec

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siXy:

h264 needs more juice

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enhanced:

more than the 360?

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GreyFoxx:

the 360 should be fine with it

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enhanced:

right, so I'll use h264/xvid dump those on my mythtv then I can view them through my native 360?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, via the mythbackend upnp media server

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enhanced:

bitchin

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GreyFoxx:

assuming you use svn trunk

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enhanced:

right

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GreyFoxx:

which will soon be 0.21

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enhanced:

does that build ok on fbsd?

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enhanced:

or what is the recommended distro etc..?

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GreyFoxx:

dunno, never tried

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enhanced:

i'll try and blog about it haha

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GreyFoxx:

I'd be very suprised if it compiled on freebsd without some patches

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enhanced:

oh, I may have to jet...plane is boarding

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enhanced:

oh..still 25 minutes before boarding

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siXy:

enhanced: centos is good for backends. it just works, is nice and easy and stable.

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enhanced:

siXy: ok

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GreyFoxx:

enhanced: If you are most familiar with a distro use that

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GreyFoxx:

myth wont care what distro

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** GreyFoxx uses Slackware **

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enhanced:

GreyFoxx: right...but I am a BSD guy...so

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GreyFoxx:

It's really a matter of what you are most comfy with

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enhanced:

I'll play with it on BSD

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GreyFoxx:

enhanced: Slackware is the most BSD/OpenBSD like

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enhanced:

you said U ported it to Open so

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enhanced:

but that was probably bre upnp backend huh?

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GreyFoxx:

gentoo however has portage which is like ports

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enhanced:

s/bre/pre/

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GreyFoxx:

enhanced: Welll I did it years ago, and just updated it last night

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enhanced:

gotcha

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GreyFoxx:

once I track down this segfault I'll commit that code

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enhanced:

I may mess with it on fbsd and add an updated port ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

there should be much that needs to be done, but I saw a few places that it likely needs patching

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GreyFoxx:

If you want to record though I don't know of the driver/dvb situation on the bsd's

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enhanced:

well, I'll probably do that from a different system

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** siXy guesses poor **

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GreyFoxx:

I mainly do it to run a FE on it

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GreyFoxx:

ahh

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enhanced:

really this is for housing, if you will.

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GreyFoxx:

I'll test IPTV/network recording before I commit too, so if you have an hdhomerun or iptv sourfe that would work

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enhanced:

right

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enhanced:

and I am sooo new to Mythtv haha

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opentrinity:

i have upgrade all mythtv in notebook and tower but gives me an error of compatibility ...server 31 client 36... why???

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GreyFoxx:

opentrinity: You have an old backend process running

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GreyFoxx:

Or you have 2 versions installed and the old one is running

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enhanced:

GreyFoxx: so the 0.20.2 tarball dows not support what I need, correct...I need the SVN you said?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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enhanced:

kk

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enhanced:

thx for the help, I'll idle here and keep U posted

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_banyan:

Hello... I had a disappointing experience with dvdunauthor and dvdauthor yesterday. I was trying to copy one of my MythArchive disks when I found there's some kind of read error in it. So I tried using dvdunauthor, which did complain once about the error but substantially pulled off all the info on the disk. But the .xml file it created wasn't making dvdauthor happy! You'd think that the created .xml from dvdunauthor would w

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_banyan:

ork directly with dvdauthor...

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_banyan:

anyone here with experience on using dvdunauthor / dvdauthor?

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mediabuntu:

guys i would like to learn abou the way mythtv works and why its needs mysql server and myphpadmin. where do i start.

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GreyFoxx:

myth does not require phpmyadmin

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mediabuntu:

i know i do :)

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GreyFoxx:

it does however require a mysql server for the database

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psm321:

mythtv perl bindings are nice :)

[21:14:34]

GreyFoxx:

psm321: Yeah

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mediabuntu:

ok just for database to store the schedule data

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psm321:

i was able to retrofit my existing heavily modified version of mythlink.sh to support storage groups pretty quickly :)

[21:15:08]

GreyFoxx:

mediabuntu: schedule data, tuner/recordings info, settings, basically all info myth knows about

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psm321:

everything except the config that tells it where to find the database :-D

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mediabuntu:

fascinating

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mediabuntu:

so basically mysql is good for keeping statistics of data.

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mediabuntu:

have i got this wrong :)

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GreyFoxx:

statistics?

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GreyFoxx:

It's just a general, network reachable datastore :)

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mediabuntu:

can i store my mp3 on it ?

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GreyFoxx:

so a central storage lcoation for all settings, tuner configs, listings data, and so on

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GreyFoxx:

mediabuntu: well you could store files in a database as binary blobs, but I don't see why someone would

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mediabuntu:

its hard to wrap my head around it

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GreyFoxx:

mediabuntu: What about it is confusing ?

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mediabuntu:

i created a databse called amarok, question is how would amarok have used it ?

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mediabuntu:

store my mp3 on it?

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hads:

No

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GreyFoxx:

no, likely just information about the mp3

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hads:

Store metadata

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GreyFoxx:

like Artist, album, release date etc

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mediabuntu:

for fast indexing ?

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mediabuntu:

i see

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hads:

How many times it's played, cover art location, etc, etc.

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mediabuntu:

but im sure it knows that already , right ?

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_banyan:

If it's data that mythtv retains about anything, it'll be in the mysql database. Except for one file that tells mythtv how to access mysql.

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FinnTux:

so, what is the correct way to move working mythtv system to a new hardware? (svn version)

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mediabuntu:

right, so this makes it easy for other computers on the network to read the data

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_banyan:

Hmm, I think I'm going to do a mysqlcheck now that I'm thinking of it.

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FinnTux:

ie. what database tables to copy?

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siXy:

FinnTux: all of them

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hads:

FinnTux: The entire database

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_banyan:

yep, everything in mythconverg

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hads:

mysqldump mythonverg > mythconverg.sql

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FinnTux:

and then run mythtv-setup to setup dvb cards and channels (they have changed)

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_banyan:

Actually, I have an issue with one of my three capture 'cards' consistently failing to do a recording.

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_banyan:

Hmm, I'd tar the mythconverg directory under /var/lib/mysql and untar it on the target machine.

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FinnTux:

_banyan, mysqldump is better way IMO

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_banyan:

Is it better to allow mysql to re-import rather than just plunking the database down whole?

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FinnTux:

I have other dbs there too (which I don't want to move)

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hads:

And it's safer over version changes.

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cafuego:

_banyan: You can do the latter is you should down the mysql server

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cafuego:

eh

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_banyan:

I'll probably be doing that someday myself. A couple of years(!) ago I bought an x86_64 machine to move my backend into and never have done yet.

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cafuego:

s/is you should/if you shut/

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_banyan:

I can deal with losing anything on my machine but I would freak if I lost my mythconverg database.

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bbeattie:

the mythflix howto is out of date, it references a database insert with 6 columns but head has 7. Is anyone familiar with what was changed and what default value should be used in the new row?

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_banyan:

I would anticipate forgetting what shows I had on record, and the loss of the info about what episodes have already been recorded would be verryy annoying.

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bbeattie:

is_queued field.

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bbeattie:

I believe it is the is_queued field

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_banyan:

Is there a channel specifically geared to dvdauthor / dvdunauthor?

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cafuego:

mind you, you should be doing backups via mysqldump anyway.

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FinnTux:

backups? what are backups?

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_banyan:

You know, you're right of course.

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_banyan:

And given that I have another machine to plunk the data onto, I have no excuse really.

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_banyan:

what's yer fave backup method?

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_banyan:

I guess I could just cron a mysqldump and put the mysqldump on another fs.

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hads:

Indeed

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jester05:

hey guys

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jester05:

i just figured out something awesome

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mediabuntu:

hi

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mediabuntu:

what have you figure out ?

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jester05:

well i have an ext hdd that i'm using as my primary recording drive

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jester05:

but one time i booted and it was turned off.. ie mythbackend wouldnt run

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jester05:

w/o having a medium to write to

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hads:

It shouldn't matter, it should be writing to the mount point.

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_banyan:

hmm, is usb2 fast enough to not suck as a recording drive?

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jester05:

so i targeted it to the original location it saves to and mount --bind 'd it to the ext hdd

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jester05:

yeah it works great

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hads:

Yeah, that's how a UNIX filesystem works :)

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jester05:

but now if my portable hdd doesnt mount it will then fail to bind and it will just record to my int hdd

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jester05:

i have it set to write to /vars/lib/mythtv/recording/

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hads:

Yeah, that's how a UNIX filesystem works :)

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mediabuntu:

really

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jester05:

then i have /vars/.../recordings/ binded to /(portable HDD)/storage/myth_data/recordings/

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jester05:

so it records to my portable hdd if its turned on, if not then it writes to my internal hdd

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_banyan:

so if you have nothing mounted on the mount point, the recordings just go under the mount point.

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jester05:

but yes USB2.0 is plenty fast

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jester05:

i'm framgrabbing w/ mp4 @ 4500

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_banyan:

I thought mount points had to be empty directories.

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hads:

Nope

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jester05:

i have the ext hdd mounted to /storge/

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jester05:

my fstab: /dev/sdb1 /media/storage ....

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_banyan:

huh! so yer system would be able to present a directory that's a union of info partly on, say your root fs and partly on the external hdd?

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jester05:

then in rc.local i have: mount --bind /storage/..../recordings/ /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/

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mediabuntu:

I used to have nfs and mounted that on rebooting. but my hard drive just packed in with all my data ;-)

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jester05:

wait reverse that order lol

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hads:

_banyan: No, if you mount something at /mnt/tmp then anything there proviously will be hidden for the duration.

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jester05:

yeah it doesnt show the stuff that was already in /var/../recordings/

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jester05:

it only shows whats in the binded partition

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_banyan:

It would seem to be a better failure mode than just having the recordings fail, but the recovery sounds like it's not automatic — getting the recordings on the root fs out to the external hdd.

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jester05:

well if my ext hdd fails to mount the database obviously thros flags

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jester05:

but i can still watch live tv

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_banyan:

I guess a guy could use two mount points and a symbolic link and have a script around to copy files from A to B.

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jester05:

but yeah it flags saying that things are missing but it still works for live

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hads:

Or could use an internal drive :)

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_banyan:

yep, could actually just tar and then mount and untar.

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jester05:

well you could record to your internal hdd then have the archive manager archive to external

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_banyan:

but then that's two copies of huge files.

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jester05:

i have a dell x270 case.. no more room for another drive lol

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_banyan:

file -> tar, tar -> exteral

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_banyan:

external I mean.

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jester05:

i dunno.. all i know is my system works GREAT!

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jester05:

lol

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jester05:

i cant believe how well usb2.0 ports data

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jester05:

i have the vid cranked as high as possible

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jester05:

and its still great

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_banyan:

so, why would dvdauthor fail because it hated things about the xml file created by dvdunauthor? or conversely, why would dvdunauthor create an xml that dvdauthor would reject?

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_banyan:

is there a better channel around to ask this question?

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jester05:

no clue

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iamlindoro:

Heh, 4500 Kb/s is still lowwwwwwwww

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iamlindoro:

Even a USB 1 drive could handle that

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jester05:

lol yeah but i dont wanna take anymore disc space for analog tv

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jester05:

lol

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jester05:

my picture looks great at 2200 even

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jester05:

and thats = to 1g/h

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iamlindoro:

Heh... and keep in mind framegrabbers look like shit compared to hardware encoders, and hardware encoders look like shit compared to a digital signal.

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jester05:

haha

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iamlindoro:

Your standards will raise when you experience digital reception... Analog will make you sick.

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro now master and slave have the same version but when i try to watch tv there is no message and return to main menu..

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jester05:

yeah i know

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iamlindoro:

opentrinity: Would need to see front and backend logs to know anything about that

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jester05:

but until i move off campus i cant experience digital

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jester05:

opentrinity, check the r/w privs to where you're writing

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jester05:

i had the same prob

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iamlindoro:

opentrinity: But I am going afk for right now... I m sure if you post them then someone will be able to help you, or I will later

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CofWY:

hi everyone, i have an issue with setting up my back end on mythbuntu 7.10, it used to be front end / back end and i removed the front end portion, now when I run mythtv-setup it asks to close the back end then it logs me off from the session and nothing happen. Any idea? thank you

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iamlindoro:

jester05: He had a working setup, he just did an upgrade, it's not that

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jester05:

did he upgrade the OS too?

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iamlindoro:

jester05: no

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jester05:

if so check the r/w

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jester05:

o

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jester05:

just keep in mind that when things like hal update you should check your privs

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jester05:

i had a perfect setup, updated and went :(

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open|master:

iamlindoro, http://pastebin.ca/866747

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro http://pastebin.ca/866748

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iamlindoro:

opentrinity: Your time is set wrong

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opentrinity:

??

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iamlindoro:

opentrinity: Ths times on the frontend and backend have to agree

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iamlindoro:

EntryToProgram(0@gio gen 1 01:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo

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iamlindoro:

One of your machines believes it is 1970

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iamlindoro:

fix that and everything should work

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hads:

That can mess up a lot of things.

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro master or slave?

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iamlindoro:

opentrinity: Whichever one thinks it's 1970!!

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iamlindoro:

run date and hwclock commands

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hads:

`ntpdate pool.ntp.org` and then install an ntp server.

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iamlindoro:

to find out

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iamlindoro:

anyway, going afk, that's probably your problem

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opentrinity:

iamlindoro sorry but i don't understand

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hads:

AFK = Away From Keyboard.

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opentrinity:

:-/

[22:05:03]

hads:

Fix your date and it may start working.

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opentrinity:

hads: where...all seems to be right...

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hads:

How did you test it?

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opentrinity:

hads: this is teh problem...all i know is clock in desktop

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hads:

Use the date command from the command line on all the PCs to check.

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siXy:

opentrinity: read this: man date

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xanderp:

will a mythbox frontend benefit from dual core or hyperthreading to better allow me to do HD playback, or will money be better spent on a certain video card to assist the playback?

[22:14:21]

xand:

>.<

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bsdfox_:

xanderp: dual core will help, at least with x264

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opentrinity:

siXy: hads: ok with date command i verify that all is right :-/ (7 minutes difference)

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xanderp:

i'm not sure what x264 is

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hads:

OK, that's still not that great but possibly not the issue. I don't know anythign about your system I was just assisting with what iamlindoro was telling you.

[22:15:43]

siXy:

xanderp: a video codec

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** xanderp reading **

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opentrinity:

from slave i have to access to mysql.txt in master?

[22:16:31]

Tanthrix:

xanderp: It's all in the CPU, the videocard is mostly irrelevent.

[22:17:21]

xanderp:

my hd projector is only 480p, would I benefit from doing some kind of transcoding to downgrade the HD signal from the tuner to 480p (guessing it's broadcast at 1080i or p?)

[22:17:36]

Tanthrix:

xanderp: If I were you, I'd go with a Core 2 Duo. My E4400 allows me to play any OTA MPEG2 content, and 720p x264 content. Maybe more with multithreading.

[22:17:52]

Tanthrix:

xanderp: You wouldn't benefit, but the extra signal would be superfluous.

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xanderp:

sorry, 720p (not 480p right?)

[22:18:02]

Tanthrix:

Er, extra resolution.

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directhex:

xanderp, yes, you'd benefit, 480p playback requires significantly less cpu. obviously, you won't see HD on that projector

[22:18:39]

Tanthrix:

480p isn't generally considered to be HD – 720p,1080i, and 1080p are the HD resolutions

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xanderp:

lemme look at the projector, I think it's 720p... i never can remember the numbers

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xanderp:

that's what I have then, 720p

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Tanthrix:

xanderp: In that case, it's probably not worth the trouble to transcode anything.

[22:19:34]

directhex:

yeah, 720p and 1080i have largely the same cpu requirements

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directhex:

though 1080i also requires deinterlacing

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xanderp:

so do i need to get up into the 3ghz range and dual core/core duo? My current backend is an AMD 3400+ (64bit) processor.

[22:21:02]

Tanthrix:

xanderp: It would be advisable.

[22:21:09]

Tanthrix:

The E4400 is pretty cheap nowadays, isn't it?

[22:21:31]

xanderp:

not sure... i've not priced out hw in a couple of years...

[22:22:11]

Tanthrix:

xanderp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115031

[22:22:50]

Tanthrix:

Personally, I wouldn't mess around with anything less than C2D. HD playback needs a lot of power to be able to work 100 percent reliably. HD playback with myth even more so.

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xanderp:

ive recorded a little HD content from my 5500, and it plays on my laptop just fine, but on the TV in the living room that mythbox just shows a blue box for video. The TV isn't HD, should the frontend display correctly anyway?

[22:23:35]

Tanthrix:

Aye. The blue sounds like a driver / overlay issue. Does regular SD stuff work?

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xanderp:

just fine

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Tanthrix:

That's really weird.

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Tanthrix:

Maybe not a driver issue then.

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xanderp:

it's an epia VIA M10000 mobo/video

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Tanthrix:

Could be something related to that. For linux video, you don't want anything but nvidia.

[22:25:04]

hads:

Or Intel

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xanderp:

i'm an nvidia fan...

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Tanthrix:

hads: Does intel provide a wonderful config app that lets you easily change/set settings like xv-vsync, gl-vsync, etc..? Can you even set that stuff at all?

[22:26:26]

hads:

Tanthrix: I use Nvidia :)

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hads:

Intel has been coming along nicely though and the openness of the drivers is a good thing.

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** xanderp wondering if nvidia has a card that does straight up hdmi output w/audio signal included... **

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Tanthrix:

I always hear "or Intel" added on to nvidia stuff, but I've never seen any evidence that it's all that great, or nearly as wonderful as nvidia stuff

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Tanthrix:

xanderp: Aye. Many.

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Dibblah:

I use Intel.

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bsdfox_:

xanderp: I bought an E2200+mobo for $78 yesterday

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Dibblah:

It just works – None of these annoying binary blobs :)

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Tanthrix:

Yah, with about 1/3 the functionality most likely...

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xanderp:

hmmm

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hads:

Tha fact taht the drivers are open is fantastic. I'd buy Intel graphics if I was building a new box these days.

[22:30:23]

Dibblah:

Tanthrix: Who cares?

[22:30:33]

Dibblah:

It's a Myth box. It displays full-screen video.

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bsdfox_:

yeah intel graphics are good for non-gaming

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: My statement includes very video specific stuff, all the way from general setup to things like vsync.

[22:31:02]

Dibblah:

Even the older Intel chips are capable of basic 3d, etc.

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Tanthrix:

As you say, 3d stuff is irrelevent for linux unless you're into Tuxracer or compiz ;)

[22:31:36]

Tanthrix:

(Or at least, for mythtv – I hear there are some decent 3d games out there)

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Pryon:

or bzflag

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bsdfox_:

lol.. my mythfrontend runs compiz

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xanderp:

the arby's commercial with the skinny dipping girl just was on... wow.

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opentrinity:

i have modify mysql.txt in /usr/share/mythtv and i write ip of my master...but when i restart backend i read at host:127.0.0.1 .....where i had to modify?

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jduggan:

move mysql.txt to your .mythtv dir

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bsdfox_:

opentrinity: mythtv-setup

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opentrinity:

bsdfox_: unable to connect to database

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xanderp:

any opinions on intel vs AMD for a frontend?

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bsdfox_:

opentrinity: just let it run.. it'll open after it tries like 20 times

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siXy:

xanderp: amd run a bit cooler, so less fan noice. other than that, either works fine.

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bsdfox_:

xanderp: it's really not gonna make much difference, and everyone is gonna be biased

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siXy:

and also what bsdfox_ said

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xanderp:

also, i'm assuming that the E4400 / E4500's are considered 64bit?

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opentrinity:

bsdfox_: no UPnP backends found

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bsdfox_:

intels run cooler in my opinion :P

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xanderp:

i'm for less expensive/quieter

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bsdfox_:

opentrinity: I don't use upnp, sorry

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siXy:

bsdfox_: you may well be right... i'm not much on desktop hardware these days

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hads:

They will be cooler since the C2D, much cooler than the old P4.

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xanderp:

my current epia via m10000 is a 1ghz frontend box so not able to do HD, but I don't even have a CPU fan on it. ultra quiet. (other than the HD)

[22:47:22]

** xanderp wondering if a mac mini would have the horsepower to run as an HD frontend only box. **

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CCFL_Man2:

mac mini would be great as a frontend

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bsdfox_:

I wouldn't be so certain it'll run all hd content

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bsdfox_:

for 720p sure

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CCFL_Man2:

maybe mpeg2 1080i

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xanderp:

i only need to output 720p as that's all my projector will put out.

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bsdfox_:

do you guys compile mythbackend with any --cpu= --tune= or any other of those options?

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Tanthrix:

xanderp: They are 64 bit, but can run fine in 32 bit mode.

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CCFL_Man2:

xanderp: what about 1080i mpeg2?

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bbeattie:

ooops

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xanderp:

not sure... just know for sure it does 720p

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CCFL_Man2:

mac minis are 32 bit

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mediabuntu:

hey GreyFoxx im learning about ifs and else if on php. Going full steam ahead

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xanderp:

off to spend some time with the fam... thanks all

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opentrinity:

i'll try tomorrow :-/ 'night

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mediabuntu:

Im so tired brain is wracked , of to bd

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CCFL_Man2:

anyone here use dvb-s cards?

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Seeker`:

I am using the mythbuntu weekely build from the SVN

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Seeker`:

I am trying to use the streaming from mythweb

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directhex:

CCFL_Man2, only old models are 32-bit

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CCFL_Man2:

directhex: mine is a intel core single

[23:02:35]

Seeker`:

When I try to access the stream from VLC, it tries to access http://<ip>:80, when I have the webserver running on port 24077

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iamlindoro:

heh, good luck, xris switched it off

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directhex:

CCFL_Man2, and it's an old model

[23:02:53]

Seeker`:

any idea how to change the port in the streams to point to the proper port?

[23:02:59]

CCFL_Man2:

directhex: ahh

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bbeattie:

anyone know why when I delete a movie it hangs the frontend? It's a video_ts directory/movie and my path to the movies is a symlink if that gives any clues.

[23:03:16]

directhex:

CCFL_Man2, they're core 2 duo these days

[23:03:28]

psm321:

my mythfrontend suddenly started segfaulting every time i try to start it :(

[23:03:34]

CCFL_Man2:

i got the cheap model

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directhex:

CCFL_Man2, the current cheap model is core 2 duo

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iamlindoro:

The new mac minis can handle hd quite handily... The 2.0 Ghx model can handle any Mpeg-2 HD up to 1080p, and I tested h.264 up to 720p... 1080 should be no problem

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iamlindoro:

er GHz

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CCFL_Man2:

directhex: wow, i'm behind the times

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directhex:

http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html

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directhex:

been like that for abot a year

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CCFL_Man2:

wonder if i can update the cpu on mine

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iamlindoro:

Well it wouldn't be #mythtv-users if people weren't giving out incorrect advice

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CCFL_Man2:

he

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CCFL_Man2:

h

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iamlindoro:

and the CPUs are soldered on, so not without difficulty

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh, nice

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directhex:

iamlindoro, they're soldered on? i didn't realise that. i thought it was fairly conventional

[23:08:31]

CCFL_Man2:

i want a macbook air

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Ah, apparently you're right, looks like as of the Intels it is

[23:09:37]

directhex:

iamlindoro, well, yeah! i've heard many cases of upgrades!

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Yup, my mistake

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psm321:

woah... all my programs were segfaulting when i tried to run them for a while, then it suddenly started working again

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CCFL_Man2:

hmm..

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CCFL_Man2:

i probably can upgrade my mac mini

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mikeylikesit5805:

hi all ive got a major problem, well not major but is there anyway to enable compression with mythtv for a 2 hours show (office space ;-) ) it takes about 16gb

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Icekiller:

hey i coudl'nt find anywhere how to disable deinterlace?

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siXy:

Icekiller: options > tv > playback

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Icekiller:

yeah can't get there

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Icekiller:

it crashes..

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Icekiller:

i added the plugins and poof hell froze over ;)

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iamlindoro:

Heh, then disabling deinterlace really isn't your main concern

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Icekiller:

yeah

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Icekiller:

but it crashes because i added mediaplayback

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Icekiller:

and i don't have SSE

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bsdfox_:

mikeylikesit5805: transcode it?

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bsdfox_:

or capture at a lower bitrate

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mikeylikesit5805:

bsdfox, were is that setting

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CCFL_Man2:

i can't figure out what cpu package the mac mini uses

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cheatersrealm:

I have a choice between a amd 2000+ and a celeron at 2500mhz. Which chip is better suited for mythtv duties (I use hardware encoders on the tuner).

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cheatersrealm:

CCFL_Man2: it's core2duo methinks

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bsdfox_:

mikeylikesit5805: recording profiles

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cornell:

I am trying to retire my old myth be and am having trouble getting my new hardware to work. If I take the PVR350 out of my existing box, I can still use the box for playback of what's already been recorded, right?

[23:29:13]

bsdfox_:

cheatersrealm: either of those should be fine for a mythtv machine

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CCFL_Man2:

cheatersrealm: package, so socket P, socket M, etc

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bsdfox_:

so I'd figure out which one will run coolest and use it :P

[23:29:31]

cheatersrealm:

CCFL_Man2: oh, nevermind me then :)

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bsdfox_:

cornell: yes

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blackest:

given the choice i would go for amd , however if its a celeron you can setup variable clock speed so the processor idles when its not working

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javatexan:

howdy all

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javatexan:

I am having trouble using my duo 2 core....;) I know that what I am asking ubuntu to run will be more than 100 and thats okay, I want it to use both cores.....why is it working so hard to keep things under 100 percent with the other core idle?

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cornell:

Thanks bsdfox_

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CCFL_Man2:

$300 for the cpu upgrade

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cheatersrealm:

I'm guessing my old build was limited by the harddrive system.

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Icekiller:

where can i disable deinterlace?

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CCFL_Man2:

cpu is $300

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cheatersrealm:

so I'm trying to decide now on raid5/raid0/jbod

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zabadapp:

is it possible to change deinterlace method on the fly? for sports "bob" is the only way to get smooth 50 fps motions (but interlace flicker)... and for the rest "kernel" in 25 fps ...

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siXy:

5.

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blkorpheus:

Icekiller, frontend setup

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Icekiller:

blkorpheus can't get there need to disable the deinterlace first.

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cheatersrealm:

siXy: is that to me?

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blkorpheus:

cheatersrealm, RAID5

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cheatersrealm:

well I don't need the redundancy of raid5, but I guess it is kind of niec

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zabadapp:

(or ideally, "kernel" in 50 fps all the time)

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blkorpheus:

Icekiller, can't get there?

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mikeylikesit5805:

bsdfox thanks

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directhex:

CCFL_Man2, socket m

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siXy:

cheatersrealm: yes

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iamlindoro:

Icekiller: It's the only place you can turn off deint

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Icekiller:

impossible in config files or mysql?

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siXy:

raid0 is useless, jbod is pointless, use raid5

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directhex:

javatexan, is your code multithreaded?

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hads:

cheatersrealm: RAID5. JBOD is OK with a couple of drives but the more you add the more you increase your chances of failure.

[23:32:58]

cheatersrealm:

siXy: that's far from the truth, but I'll take the suggestion for raid5 anyhow

[23:32:58]

iamlindoro:

you could probably poke around in the dbase and figure it out, but nobody is going to have that info off the top of their heads, and it has changed from .20.2 to SVN

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siXy:

cheatersrealm: no it isn't

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cheatersrealm:

siXy: raid5 and raid0 and jbod just have different appliactions

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siXy:

raid0 doubles your chance of hdd failure, for an increase in speed that you will never notice

[23:33:37]

javatexan:

mencoder yes....galleon yes....mplayer no (or not that I am aware)

[23:33:38]

cheatersrealm:

raid5 is good if you want redundancy, but it has a large performance overhead if you are dealing with large stripe sizes

[23:33:53]

iamlindoro:

cheatersrealm: Take it from someone who has lost both a Raid0 and an LVM, Sixy is right, you want Raid5... the extra drive is worth the piece of mind

[23:34:00]

CCFL_Man2:

directhex: i thought it was socket m

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cheatersrealm:

the thing is, I don't care if I lose my stored shows.

[23:34:13]

siXy:

cheatersrealm: jbod is utterly pointless. LVM does everything jbod does, and more safely

[23:34:15]

iamlindoro:

It may not seem like it when the array is empty, but once it gets full and you lose it, you will shit a brick

[23:34:32]

hads:

cheatersrealm: Using trunk or waiting a couple of months 'til it's released will let you use storage groups and avoid fancy drive setups.

[23:34:48]

cheatersrealm:

iamlindoro: worst case I can find them on the internet

[23:35:02]

cheatersrealm:

it's just TV shows, it's not my personal data.

[23:35:02]

javatexan:

directhex should I nice 10 mplayer blah blah to get it to stop shuddering. I am pretty sure its a processor fighting thing

[23:35:03]

iamlindoro:

cheatersrealm: no pirate talk in this room

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jamesd:

siXy, only if you limit your self to linux.,.. ZFS rocks... snapshots, clones, compression, end to end checksums.. i could go on.

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siXy:

cheatersrealm: you are running a mythtv backend.... you are not going to notice the 'performance overhead' (which is actually wrong anywa, stripe size does not noticably affect processing overhead for raid5 arrays)

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cheatersrealm:

sorry about that

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directhex:

javatexan, what are you trying to play?

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javatexan:

mythtv video

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cheatersrealm:

siXy: maybe not in a mythtv setting, but try it with a database server

[23:35:37]

siXy:

jamesd: given #channel, i think linux is a safe assumption.

[23:35:43]

directhex:

javatexan, what a useless answer

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javatexan:

mythtv video mp4

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javatexan:

?

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directhex:

javatexan, tuner type? resolution?

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directhex:

javatexan, and why ae you playing recordings with mplayer?

[23:36:49]

siXy:

cheatersrealm: actually i run one of the 500 largest databases in the uk. short story – don't use any of those options for database work.

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iamlindoro:

multithreading of h.264 content will only work properly if it was encoded to take advantage of multiple cores... moreover, with mplayer, you need to tell it to use multiple threads, it won't do so by default... and finally, most codecs cannot use multiple cores, very very few can.

[23:37:21]

cheatersrealm:

siXy: then what do you run? 0+1 or something?

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siXy:

raid 0+1 all the way, with large numbers of spindles with a seperate array foreach data area

[23:37:28]

directhex:

iamlindoro, assuming h264 hd, and not mp4 framegrabbery

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javatexan:

no tuner at this point, resolution 640x480, mplayer is what my mythtv is set up to use....I think

[23:37:36]

siXy:

on a 4gb fc san

[23:37:40]

iamlindoro:

mplayer needs something like "mplayer -lavdopts threads=2 filename" to work properly

[23:37:44]

directhex:

javatexan, mythtv has never used mplayer for recordings

[23:38:12]

cornell:

I'm planning on cycling through and finding the settins for the pvr 350, then I'll have that documentation when I set it up in the new box. Also, the old box is mythbuntu, the new is knoppmyth.. any pitfalls with that switch?

[23:38:14]

directhex:

javatexan, if you're playing files via mythvideo, the internal player is the default in myth these days, though many distros use the old default of mplayer

[23:38:51]

cornell:

Or perhaps I should ask... is there a config file, or two, I could simply copy over?

[23:39:09]

hads:

cornell: It's all in the database

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CCFL_Man2:

ok, who here uses dvb-s cards?

[23:39:38]

hads:

CCFL_Man2: I do. Many people probably do.

[23:39:40]

cornell:

I'm thinking copying the whole database would introduce more problems than it would solve.

[23:39:56]

javatexan:

default player is mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s

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xris:

iamlindoro: I turned off the flv stuff.. and by "turned off" I mean that I added a setting to turn it on, and set the default to off.

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javatexan:

in video setup, player setup

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cornell:

And I don't know what parts of it to copy.

[23:40:30]

cornell:

Thanks hads

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directhex:

javatexan, so you're playing via mythvideo, then. not a recording

[23:41:06]

javatexan:

yes

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javatexan:

sorry for confusion

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directhex:

when you say mpeg4, is that part 2 or part 10?

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javatexan:

10

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javatexan:

x264

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javatexan:

to be more precise

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directhex:

so we're starting to narrow down what you're actually doing

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javatexan:

;)

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javatexan:

thought everyone did this to save HD space too.

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directhex:

SD h264 should be absolutely fine on a core 2 duo of any description

[23:43:03]

directhex:

and certainly not use 100% of a core

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iamlindoro:

I don't use x264 to save space at all... I use it to maximize quality

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directhex:

you've confirmed that it's the mplayer process using 100% of your cpu during playback?

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javatexan:

well mencoder with threads=auto will usually use 180% of processor...so I backed that off to just 99–100% but playback still shudders from time to time

[23:43:58]

iamlindoro:

directhex is right, SD x.264 should be a snap for a Core 2

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javatexan:

so the processor is busy

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directhex:

iamlindoro, it's a snap for all my kit, i can't see how a c2 of any description would struggle

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iamlindoro:

should be far less than 100% for Standard Def unless you cranked the bitrate way the eff too high

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javatexan:

no...bitrate is variable 1500 to 3500

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directhex:

javatexan, so you're running an mplayer playback at the same time as an mencoder encode?

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iamlindoro:

That should be WAY less than 100%

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javatexan:

no DVD level here

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javatexan:

I am running mencoder as a auto process....so not always sure when its running, so from time to time they both will be utilized

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directhex:

do you have the slightest idea of how frustrating it is when you're the one who asked for help, yet we have to play 20 questions for over 10 minutes to come even close to understanding the specifics of your problem, because you're withholding any detail that could be remotely useful?

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iamlindoro:

At the very least mencoder should be niced way the hell down

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Icekiller:

how do you remove an addon?

[23:49:14]

iamlindoro:

Is it an official myth plguin, or no?

[23:49:14]

siXy:

Icekiller: see #mydistro

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iamlindoro:

er plugin

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directhex:

iamlindoro, yeah, but there are a multitude of other unknowns – disk i/o contention, or even which process is using 100% cpu – and WHY too

[23:49:30]

iamlindoro:

directhex: Ah yes, but I've already given up ;)

[23:49:49]

Icekiller:

its mythvideo

[23:49:58]

directhex:

yeah, me too. balls to it, i'd rather play xbox than 20 questions. if i'd had useful info to start with, i might have persisted

[23:50:05]

siXy:

directhex: in order to keep my temper i have made a concoius descion not to help those who don't want to be helped except on their own highly-specific terms

[23:50:17]

** justinh applauds **

[23:50:31]

justinh:

so that's why you've not helped anybody today, siXy :)

[23:50:40]

siXy:

heh :)

[23:50:55]

siXy:

maybe not here :P

[23:50:56]

directhex:

off to uphold the assassin's creed!

[23:51:01]

justinh:

I've had a couple of 'moments' this weekend

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iamlindoro:

directhex: *good* game

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iamlindoro:

I don't care what the reviewers say

[23:51:16]

justinh:

back to the regular jibber jabber tomorrow

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iamlindoro:

I lurved it

[23:51:25]

cheatersrealm:

hey, siXy and I had a perfectly reasonable exchange of ideas

[23:51:35]

iamlindoro:

That, mass effect, and Bioshock made my gaming year

[23:51:36]

siXy:

justinh: its a pity RL has no /ignore aint it? :)

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directhex:

iamlindoro, it's brilliant unless you wanted another prince of persia game – it's more of a crackdown than a PoP

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cheatersrealm:

and I am going to be using raid5 as he suggested :)

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cheatersrealm:

I was just pointing out that raid0 wasn't completely useless.

[23:52:18]

** iamlindoro wonders if he's due for a second Mass Effect playthrough... **

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** iamlindoro sets his moral compass to "evil" and goes off to play Xbox 360 **

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justinh:

siXy: oh but it does. seems to be on 'auto' for me

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justinh:

wife speaks, I seem to hear the sound the teacher in Charlie brown makes

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siXy:

LOL!

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portahex:

because you can never have enough irc clients connected

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justinh:

finished taking mythxface-wide to bits. not bad. you can tell it's a first theme though :)

[23:56:50]

justinh:

and they've honoured the licencing for images borrowed. and credited. I can almost say I'm happy about it

[23:57:25]

GreyFoxx:

mythxface ? new theme

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siXy:

the music and video parts are both really nice ideas

[23:57:53]

justinh:

siXy: apart from the music & video parts it's alright

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siXy:

GreyFoxx: http://www.antiscreeners.com/wiki/mythtv/themes/mythxface

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justinh:

problem is, it'll only work with some configurations

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justinh:

music used with anything other than full tree view goes wrong

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siXy:

oh, i meant the playback not the selection

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justinh:

gallery view in mythvideo without a certain rows & columns.. whoops

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siXy:

the selection is nothing special

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justinh:

I'm raring to let rip come mythui. no sense bothering with much til then

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