Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, January 16th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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clever:

no idea why it was installed:P

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directhex:

i've had multiple systems fail to boot post-upgrade due to evms

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clever:

removing it 'fixed' the problem but the bug report also showed many others

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clever:

and how it can get worse

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justinh:

hmmm now let me think. what's the craziest, most convoluted & risky way I could choose to do this thing I want to do?

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clever:

if you force a prio onto the swap device

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clever:

it will stripe the swaping over the 2 identical devices

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clever:

causing it to go south sooner!

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justinh:

I know. I'll ask clever. he'll know

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clever:

lol

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blackest:

:) i could see that coming

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justinh:

it's cool that you push the boundaries though clever

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clever:

lol:)

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justinh:

I admire your tenacity

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justinh:

I just couldn't be bothered with it all. I'd be like, oh well I'll go without something for a while til I can buy new gear

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blackest:

is that a euphemism "he's pushing the boundaries"

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justinh:

ask clever about the fun he's had with his 3 frontends sharing one nfsroot

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clever:

lol:)

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justinh:

I use the word 'fun' advisedly

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clever:

only problems i can think of atm is the qt widgets keep killing keyboard input and the decoding of mpeg2 sometimes breaks

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blackest:

i seem to remember his last problem was a missing -H or something

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clever:

thats what i suspected

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clever:

but the mpeg2 broke again the next day even with -H

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clever:

which makes me think its some race condition durring the startup of mythfrontend

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blackest:

how can i test fstab before rebooting

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tgm4883_laptop:

i'd like to pull a few tables out of my database (Currently Recorded, previously recorded, recording schedules) and dump the rest. Then import these tables in my new machine. I'm looking at the tables in phpmyadmin. Is there a list somewhere of what each table contains?

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justinh:

blackest: mount -a

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clever:

tgm4883_laptop: in the wiki

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justinh:

blackest: you did back up fstab before you messed with it, right

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justinh:

currently recorded == recorded

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clever:

blackest: the -H sets HOME when going thru sudo, it seemed totaly unrelated to my problem and it now seems even more unrelated because it isnt fixing it anymore

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justinh:

previously recorded == oldrecorded

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justinh:

recording schedules == record

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clever:

recording schedules depend on the chanid and stuff though being set right

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tgm4883_laptop:

thanks clever, i knew i stopped searching too soon

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clever:

which means backing up the channels and sources too

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blackest:

mount: No medium found

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blackest:

??

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clever:

blackest: try with a -v

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blackest:

justinh is that safe ?

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tgm4883_laptop:

right, i figure that i'll backup the recording schedules, then be able to go in and search for other showings to fix the channel problem

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clever:

blackest: i also get that error trying to mount a cdrom on my laptop(drive seems toast)

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tgm4883_laptop:

I had to switch from cable to satellite, so the channels won't match up anyway

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justinh:

blackest: mount -a mounts everything in fstab as it would at booty time

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blackest:

ok i seem to be mostly ok

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justinh:

blackest: even now I back up known working files. great habit to get into. can save loads of time later

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blackest:

/dev/hda3 /media/disk type ext3 rw,nosuid,nodev,auto

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blackest:

thats not good

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blackest:

could that be the sda hda change

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justinh:

is nodev really necessary on a HDD?

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blackest:

everything else is sda1 sda5 and uses the uuid

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blackest:

i took the line from ubuntu automounting the drive

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blackest:

figured if it knows what it likes who am i to argue

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justinh:

heh

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CCFL_Man2:

cumcast has no qam channels in my area

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blackest:

yes the default partions are refered too by UUID=xyzblah... so i guess i need that for that particular partition

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fryfrog:

blackest: there is a command you can run

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fryfrog:

i always have to search the interwebs to remember it

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fryfrog:

"ubuntu uuid" is enough, i think :/

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directhex:

you could always look in /dev

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fryfrog:

UUID is somewhere in /dev?

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squish102:

how do i get logs of upnp communication to raise a ticket?

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justinh:

to find out the UUID of a partition just do "sudo vol_id -u device

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fryfrog:

blackest: and yeah, if your other partitions are sdX, and the disk is the same type or same disk, i'td be the same

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sslashes:

is there any way to list episodes by their origional air date in the recordings view?

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directhex:

fryfrog, UUID makes it easier to mount disks with unpredictable device nodes in predictable places – e.g. if you have multiple usb drives, be sure particular drives always mount in particular places, regardless of plugging order

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justinh:

sslashes: nope

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fryfrog:

directhex: I know what it is, does and why...

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fryfrog:

you just said you could look in /dev/, is there someplace there that references disks by UUID?

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directhex:

fryfrog, /dev/disk/by-uuid

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fryfrog:

neat

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fryfrog:

that is really cool :)

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justinh:

pity UUID can't be set to a human-readable nice name though :)

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fryfrog:

i spose it shows unmounted stuff? or things mounted w/o UUID?

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directhex:

justinh, /dev/disk/by-label, and LABEL= in fstab

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sslashes:

justinh: do you know if there is any work on an implementation – is it a requested feature? If not, I might have an interest in implementing it.

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justinh:

labels actually work & do stuff?

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directhex:

fryfrog, it shows detected partitions with UUIDs

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fryfrog:

ah, cool

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directhex:

justinh, deadrat was using them back in the 7.x days!

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blackest:

/sbin/blkid

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justinh:

sslashes: nope, and I for one don't see any point in it since my EPG provider doesn't give us original airdates anyway. don't let that stop you though

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blackest:

i found the error i had the word type still in the line

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blackest:

in theory i should now reboot and all my drives will be mounted

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justinh:

sslashes: would need a new column in the recorded table to hold the orig. air date. the rest could be pretty simple depending how playbackbox.cpp is coded

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fryfrog:

you could unmount the one you are unsure of

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fryfrog:

then "mount -a" and see what happens.

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fryfrog:

then you don't need to reboot to test :)

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sslashes:

justinh: what is the normal process on patches – a bug marked a "feature request" with a provided patch?

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blackest:

no complaints from mount -a so i think its good

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justinh:

sslashes: yeah and it stands more chance if 1. it's against current trunk. 2. if the coding style standard has been adhered to :)

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sslashes:

sounds good =P, thanks

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linuxbomb:

I dont have to share a folder between the mythfrontend and backend do I ? can't i just stream it from one to the other?

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justinh:

sslashes: word of advice for it though – I think the best approach would be to tackle it along a similar line to how sort order is currently handled. if you also want the orig. air date to be displayed maybe show that in a column instead of the recorded date – there's not enough space in the watch recordings screen for that stuff too IMHO

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blackest:

linuxbomb if its a mythtv recording no if its a videofile or music file then yes

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fryfrog:

linuxbomb: for recorded stuff, that works

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fryfrog:

for vide.... bah, to slow

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fryfrog:

it is just easier to share it all

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linuxbomb:

how do i stream it?

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fryfrog:

for example, i share a "/data" mount to all my frontend which mount as (ta dah) /data

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fryfrog:

linuxbomb: if it doesn't find the file locally, it just does it (for recordings)

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justinh:

actually nevermind IMHO, there's not enough room in the watch recordings screen for any more info

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fryfrog:

music and video, you'll need to share with file sharing (nfs, what ever)

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blackest:

so fry fryfrog you share var/lib/mythtv to /data ?

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fryfrog:

no

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fryfrog:

I have "/data/recordings" and "/data/video" and "/data/music"

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fryfrog:

none of my myth stuff is in /var/lib/mythtv

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fryfrog:

well, asside from... you know, myth libraries and stuff :)

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justinh:

sslashes: bah just realised the recording code will have to be changed to store the orig. airdate in the recorded table & oldrecorded too. and being able to change sort type might prove tricky. there's always much more to a patch than you first think :)

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justinh:

sslashes: good luck with it though

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blackest:

i've got links in var/lib/mythtv/music for example which go to the correct drive

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blackest:

will the links break

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fryfrog:

probably

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fryfrog:

sorry, you don't have to do it my way

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justinh:

blackest: not if the mount points for the drives are the same as they were before

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fryfrog:

you can mimic it, instead of doing this "/data" thing

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fryfrog:

just mount /var/lib/mythtv/music on your FE in the same place

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fryfrog:

but it *has* to be on the same place on all systems

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fryfrog:

that is a... limitation of mythvideo and mythmusic

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fryfrog:

and an annoying one when you stumble on it :)

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justinh:

fryfrog: only *has* to be the same place for mythvideo AFAIK. mythmusic can have files local to each frontend I think

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fryfrog:

which is why I have one big partition "/data" with sub folders, then nfs mount "/data" on any system I want. makes it a little easier to manage.

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MrJackson:

symlink ftw! ;)

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justinh:

it's generally a good idea to make em all common though

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justinh:

I used to keep all my media stuff on /media. then ubunuts came along & messed that up

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blackest:

i've got a video drive and a music drive which is why i put links in on the backend but then i need to share em for the frontend

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justinh:

thanks ubunuts for taking /media off me

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fryfrog:

blackest: you could still do what i do, easily

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justinh:

why not just have a /partition/music and a /partition/video and mount said drives to those instead?

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fryfrog:

you could mount each drive in the right place, in /data

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justinh:

and export /partition

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fryfrog:

ie, /data/music is /dev/sda1 and /data/videos is /dev/sdb1

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fryfrog:

or heck, do the same thing in /var/lib/mythtv if you like

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justinh:

/data or /partition or /whatever :)

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fryfrog:

there are *tons* of ways of arranging your filesystem :)

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fryfrog:

i picked /data because i wanted it to be close to /

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justinh:

I've never liked /var/lib for keeping 'stuff' in

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fryfrog:

and it was more of a generic place to put lots of stuff

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fryfrog:

instead of... i dunno, having /media/music or something

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GreyFoxx:

to me /var is for logs, pids and spoole stuff like mail/printjobs

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justinh:

use whatever is best for your own way of thinking :)

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fryfrog:

yeah, i agree

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GreyFoxx:

bugs me to see other stuff there :)

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fryfrog:

HEREHERE!

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fryfrog:

i was going to say something like that, but... didn't want to offend anyone's preference for data location :p

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** justinh ponders **

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blackest:

its the way myth sets it up by default thou isnt it

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GreyFoxx:

Idon't care if I offen anyone

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directhex:

justinh, /media appeared in fedora and suse before ubuntu, iirc, by a year or so

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GreyFoxx:

opinions are like aholes and I get to have one too :)

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justinh:

might make a lot of sense at some point to force the plugins to get the user to set the storage locations on 1st run somehow

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fryfrog:

blackest: i dunno, i immediatly change it. maybe it is the default for the distro you use?

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fryfrog:

there is a config setting for where recordings, videos, etc are

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fryfrog:

so you can change it all up

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fryfrog:

i like the simplicity of using NFS to export just "/data" and having any system mount it in the same place

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justinh:

fryfrog: I think the defaults are /var/lib ish

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directhex:

they are

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directhex:

but i do the same as fryfrog

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justinh:

not many folks' cup of tea but it's so easy to change them

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justinh:

the prospect of users going into /var to change permissions & stuff..

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justinh:

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blackest:

yes on the backend i have /var/lib/mythtv and under that music, pictures, recordings, videos

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squish102:

GreyFoxx what information can i put in the ticket about the dsm-320 upnp problems?

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justinh:

then again turning myth into a self-configuring wizard driven thing is kinda stepping on the toes of readymade distros

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squish102:

what logs etc?

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blackest:

and i think i have a link to the real locations in each of those directories

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justinh:

blackest: be simpler just to set myth up to use the real locations shirley?

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justinh:

six and two threes really though

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fryfrog:

blackest: you could do the same thing on your FE, if you don't feel like changing some settings in myth.

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blackest:

which works for combined backend frontend but not for a remote front end

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fryfrog:

it is just a smidge more work perhaps

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fryfrog:

the "benefit" to using one dir is a single NFS mount, thats basically it.

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fryfrog:

simplicity, it makes me happy :)

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justinh:

it's about 50:50 isn't it – keep the defaults & make symlinks on every box or change the settings & mount to the same location on every box...

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justinh:

personally I always go for the latter. helps keep me sane. every little helps :P

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blackest:

it aint easy when the drives are not mounted at boot time

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justinh:

besides I find /var/lib more effort to type than /myth ;)

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fryfrog:

uh

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fryfrog:

why wouldn't they?

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fryfrog:

that is an easy problem to solve too :p

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** fryfrog introduces blackest to /etc/fstab **

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blackest:

that problem has recently been solved :)

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justinh:

fryfrog: he's been doing fstab stuff just now

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fryfrog:

score!

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fryfrog:

oh, yeah, the UUID thing?

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fryfrog:

nothing wrong with re-arranging your system if you like, you'll just need to stop the BE and change a few locations (some settings might be in FE)

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lime4x4:

anyone using a NVIDIA GeForce 7150 for video to tv connection?

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fryfrog:

6200 here, sorry

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GreyFoxx:

FYI, /var/lib/* is not a myth default

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blackest:

its things like this which make myth harder than it should be

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GreyFoxx:

anyone seeing that is seeing what your package put there

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: ouch

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fryfrog:

are you using mythdora or mythbuntu or something?

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** justinh smacks ubuntu yet again **

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blackest:

ubuntu

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

myth isn't the easiest to use/install from an admin standpoint :(

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GreyFoxx:

the default recordings dire is /mnt/store and default mythvideo loc is /share/Movies or something similar

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fryfrog:

once you get it working though, at least it is wife usable

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justinh:

fryfrog: isn't the easiest.. yet ;)

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justinh:

I dunno if I look forward to seeing the kind of questions we'd see in here if it ever became a one click install though

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blackest:

actually mythbuntu-control-centre makes it pretty easy if your tv cards are already supported

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fryfrog:

ah, never tried that

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fryfrog:

i just hand compile svn trunk anyway

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fryfrog:

i'm a sucker for pain :)

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justinh:

look at media portal. dead easy to install it. over in no time. go over the settings, all 5 tabs of them. erm.. hmmm...

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blackest:

it beats the hell out of searchin synaptic for myth

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justinh:

blackest: IMHO synaptic is the single worst way to install mythtv

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fryfrog:

is that the GUI package manager?

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justinh:

popup with info. click & be gone! just install it already!

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blackest:

its the worst way to uninstall thats for sure

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justinh:

later... oh dear. what was on those popups I dismissed so readily?

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purserj:

emerge ftw

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justinh:

hhaha yeah at least when you emerge mythtv on gentoo it gives you time to read the docs

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justinh:

and war & peace

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fryfrog:

i still love gentoo, even though i hate it :p

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fryfrog:

every once in a while i drunk dial her and we hook up :p

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purserj:

justinh: true, but I like to read, plus it means I get to select exactly what gets built

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blackest:

sounds like my exwife

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purserj:

as opposed to ubuntu which meant that I had to build from source because the archive plugin seemed to be fubared

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directhex:

purserj, 99% of gentoo queries we get in here are "do i really need all these dependencies, it'll take 12 years to emerge :'("

[00:55:22]

MrJackson:

lol

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fryfrog:

you lie :p

[00:55:32]

fryfrog:

i've never seen someone say that :p

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justinh:

I have fond memories of it up until the point I got to where nothing would upgrade so I had a decision to make. reinstall or go with something else or battle for days trying to fix portage

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directhex:

we had one this morning!

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purserj:

directhex: bleh, on any decent system myth doesn't take that long to build

[00:56:05]

fryfrog:

i'd scroll back and fact check you... but i'm lazy, so you win :/

[00:56:14]

purserj:

it's nothing compared to say open office or firefox

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squish102:

GreyFoxx what information can i put in the ticket about the dsm-320 upnp problems? logs etc?

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: Ilove watching people go out of their way to avoid installing asingle byte more than they "need" only to find out they missed something, didn't think of it or needs change and they have to go it all again :)

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squish102:

not much seems to end up in the default logs when it comes to upnp

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justinh:

purserj: even ona fast system it can still take a good while – certainly more than the sub hour it takes to put mythbuntu on a box

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, precisely why i like distro kernels – every possible thing i could want, available as a no-overhead module

[00:57:32]

GreyFoxx:

squish102: There really isn't much more you can say other than describe the platform an problem as close as possible

[00:57:40]

purserj:

justinh: umm, I've got an AMD 2400 with 1.5GB ram, it takes less than an hour to build

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purserj:

but each to their own

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directhex:

squish102, greyfox is the international sexpot you want to talk to about upnp issues

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: yeah. I totally agree on trimming when you are dealing within minimal machines/disk space

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squish102:

ok thanks GreyFoxx

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directhex:

purserj, plus x, plus qt?

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purserj:

directhex: they're already built

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justinh:

Pryon: build _mythtv_.. not the initial install I'll wager

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directhex:

purserj, which is a rarity amongst our gentoo visitors

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purserj:

if you're going for a complete system install then that's different

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Aval0n-:

hey guys

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justinh:

purserj: not Pryon .. sorry Pryon

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squish102:

directhex, GreyFoxx gave up on me ;)

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purserj:

heh

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purserj:

yeah building the system from scratch takes hours

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justinh:

Aval0n-: was it you who was on about the arrow key exiting from screens stuff the other day?

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fryfrog:

i just got tired of updating things every few days, having little things break, little stuff like that. I still think gentoo is one of the most unique package systems

[00:59:12]

fryfrog:

er, *has* the most unique, that is

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directhex:

i wonder if i've caught a mouse

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purserj:

well my gentoo box runs myth, asterisk, web, mail, svn, git and a whole heap of other crap

[00:59:46]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: gento is a copy of the bsd :)

[00:59:58]

GreyFoxx:

portages is very very similar to the bsd ports system

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Aval0n-:

justinh: yeah it was..

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purserj:

GreyFoxx: seriously, portage vs ports, I'll take portage anytime

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purserj:

much better dependency management

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: yeah, except way, way, way better :0

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justinh:

Aval0n-: there's already a setting for it! general page in mythfrontend setting. use arrow key accelerators :) untick

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** GreyFoxx islikes all package management beyond tarballs :) **

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GreyFoxx:

disklikes

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directhex:

i suppose i don't see the point of gentoo, on a conceptual level. performance gains are a fallacy, and control gains come at an enormous administrative overhead

[01:00:45]

Aval0n-:

no way

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Aval0n-:

lol

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Aval0n-:

will that disable the menu that you get when hitting right arrow on recordings?

[01:01:03]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, how do you *remove* a tarball once installed, exactly?

[01:01:11]

justinh:

Aval0n-: doh I dunno. lemme check

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fryfrog:

directhex: one of my favorite things about portage/gentoo was how quickly new packages are added.

[01:01:18]

Aval0n-:

direxthex you can try make uninstall

[01:01:22]

purserj:

directhex: as I said, each to their own, gentoo just matches my need for control

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fryfrog:

many times, just changing the name of an ebuild is enough to get the new version.

[01:01:32]

GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: well, very very rarely do I ever want too, but "removepkg" is what I use

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GreyFoxx:

installpkg, upgradepkg, removepkg

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GreyFoxx:

hanles tarball packages, including execution of a install shell script if needed within the tarball

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purserj:

I'm one of those people who grates when my system tells me I can't have a version update for another six months

[01:02:28]

justinh:

Aval0n-: yeah but you only need press menu

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GreyFoxx:

It does not however force you to update a package, get into a dependancy circles or auto install deps for you

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Aval0n-:

ok

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Aval0n-:

cool

[01:02:47]

Aval0n-:

as long as it's the same that's fine by me

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Aval0n-:

thank you

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Aval0n-:

:)

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justinh:

I needed that setting for so long & just didn't know it

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GreyFoxx:

though to be honest I compile most stuff beyond the distro installed apps manually

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Aval0n-:

now if I can just get the intermittent chopping/skipping of my hd playback under control

[01:03:21]

GreyFoxx:

so I'm already biased

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fryfrog:

dear god, GreyFoxx is crazy!

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directhex:

GreyFoxx has too much time

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Aval0n-:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

stuff I install on multiple machines I make my own tarball, and push out

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justinh:

tonight I was trying to find out where the default playback skip amount is set & decided to have a look in the priorities menus. OMG! default single record priority etc etc etc. amazing power!

[01:04:09]

GreyFoxx:

except myth, not worth the effort :)

[01:04:13]

Aval0n-:

sometimes I can watch an hd show all the way through, no problem. then I try to watch that SAME show later...

[01:04:15]

Aval0n-:

and it chiops

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Aval0n-:

cops*

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Aval0n-:

omg chops*

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justinh:

still didnt find where the default skip amount is set though, so just set it in playback profiles

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directhex:

i like dependency handling. every time i want to compile something on a relatively package-free system (osx; cygwin) i find myself looking at failed ./configure output far far far too often

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directhex:

basically, i'd rather some other bugger work out how to make an app compile, rather than needing to do it myself!

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justinh:

sslashes: DUH! YES you can sort by original air date in watch recordings. MUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. I'm such a moose. sorry man

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justinh:

sslashes: tv playback settings in mythfrontend. ffs

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squish102:

has any1 tried using wine with tversity as a upnp server?

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justinh:

that can happen when you dont become aware of something because it isn't relevant to you for one reason or another. still though. muuuuuuuuuuuh

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GreyFoxx:

squish102: Do you also find the dsm-320 sucks for switching between multiple upnp serviers?

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blackest:

is it possible to run two sets of mythweb i was thinking along the lines of admin and user

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GreyFoxx:

You have to go into Setup, view all servers, then pick and navigate back

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xris:

blackest: should work fine

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justinh:

blackest: you could have different dirs in your server & do it that way or...

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blackest:

i want to remove some controls i dont like semi public delete buttons

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Aval0n-:

justinh: with a P4 3.4ghz HT chip, 1gb RAM, and a 500gb SATA hd doing 60mb/sec xfer rates, I should have no problem playing HDTV content correct?

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justinh:

Aval0n-: mpeg2 should be fine

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Aval0n-:

I mean the mythtv wiki says an athlon xp 2800+ is sufficient

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Aval0n-:

weird

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justinh:

wiki should be updated to say mpeg2 HD

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Aval0n-:

I've been beating my head against the wall on this for months

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Aval0n-:

ahh ok

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justinh:

depends on your video hardware mostly

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Aval0n-:

geforce 7300gs

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jj_:

does anyone know if Radeon all-in-wonder cards can work with mythtv?

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justinh:

you could have the fastest CPU on the market but running myth in a framebuffer without any Xv could be yucky

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Aval0n-:

using the glx driver

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justinh:

jj_: yes I know. they won't work in linux full stop

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squish102:

GreyFoxx, yes that sucks, but what sucks more is its stupid implementation of FF and rewind thhat doesnt work

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** jamesd plays and records an uncompressed hd streams... on a dual 2.4ghz box with 4GB of ram.. but ram is not a limiting feature if i just 1/4th of the amount i have. **

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jj_:

justinh: okay thanks

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Aval0n-:

you guys think I should go for more than 1gv

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jamesd:

oh and i have an nvidia fx1400 as well

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Aval0n-:

1gb*

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iamlindoro:

justinh: That's one wiki page that needs a serious ass-kicking... doesn't even *address* bitrates, full of anecdotal crap...

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justinh:

jamesd: uncompressed HD? what like 1.5Gbits/sec ?

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squish102:

dlink is as bad as microsoft

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squish102:

when it comes to adhearing to standards

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jamesd:

justinh, it works out to 7GB/s per stream... so 14GB an hour for 2 streams

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Aval0n-:

so frusterating

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Aval0n-:

I use the default cpu+ setting

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justinh:

7Gb/sec you mean :)

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jamesd:

no i mean 7GB per hour.

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justinh:

jamesd: it's mpeg2 then at those filesizes

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iamlindoro:

Then it's not uncompressed

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Aval0n-:

hi iamlindoro

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Aval0n-:

thanks for that mplayer string

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Aval0n-:

it played that transformers movie perfectly

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iamlindoro:

No problem

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iamlindoro:

oh good, glad to hear it

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Aval0n-:

it screwed up when I hit skip forward

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Aval0n-:

audio went out of sync

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Aval0n-:

but if I just hit play and leave it alone it's okay

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jamesd:

no digiatal tuners compress so this is recording the stream... and playing it back without issues... before its transcoded, and at a different place than live.

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directhex:

no meeces. damnit

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justinh:

iamlindoro: I've been tickling the wiki tonight to correct some style stuff. oh man people are putting feature requests & support questions in the talk pages. it's getting ugly in there

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iamlindoro:

jamesd: It was compressed before it got to you

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rushfan:

Hey, lately when watching QAM on my HDHomeRun my image has been getting scrambled up and been real jittery

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rushfan:

Anyone know what could be the issue"?

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jamesd:

ok

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iamlindoro:

That "stream" it's recording is an Mpeg-2 TS

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iamlindoro:

That's the *reason* none of the digital tuners need to compress anything, it's done at the headend

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justinh:

so. who's up for a big documentation surge before 0.21 then?

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justinh:

hands in the air folks

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** Aval0n- hides **

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iamlindoro:

I'll help out

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iamlindoro:

where I know things inside and out, anyway

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Aval0n-:

i'de say I'de help

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justinh:

heh I was thinking that I pity the person who decides to do input groups & playback profiles..

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Aval0n-:

but i'de have no idea where to begin :)

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iamlindoro:

Playback profiles I think I could feel my way through, have tweaked them quite a bit... input groups are beyond me yet

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Daviey:

wow justinh said a compliment to mythbuntu \o/

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iamlindoro:

only started looking at them yesterday

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justinh:

starting to go off the wiki big style now & thinking a regular book format would work better – though if converted to wiki format later would be preferable

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Aval0n-:

iamlindoro: do you have any advice for me on my quest of troubleshooting my hd playback intermittent skipping?

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iamlindoro:

sure. Pay attention to both frontend and backend logs, strip out all deinterlacing and filtering until you get it playing smoothly, and add things in one by one from there until it starts to skip

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justinh:

but.. and it's a Sir Mix-A-Lot butt.. I'm thinking detail, screenshots etc...

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justinh:

huge project!

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Aval0n-:

see I can't find any front end logs

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justinh:

Daviey: you up fer it too?

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Aval0n-:

and I use ubuntu's preconfigged frontend to run it

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Aval0n-:

so it' automatically logs in and runs mythtv

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iamlindoro:

just run from the terminal, ie mythfrontend -l logfile

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iamlindoro:

or, in ubuntu, mythfrontend.real -l logfile

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Aval0n-:

k

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Daviey:

justinh: whats that?

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Aval0n-:

it stinks cause sometimes it takes like half an hour before it starts skipping

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justinh:

Daviey: documenting 0.21

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Aval0n-:

is 1gb of ram too little?

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iamlindoro:

anyway, puppy to obedience class now, later all

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Daviey:

justinh: i'll certainly try and help!

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iamlindoro:

1 GB should be fine with Mpeg-2

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Aval0n-:

hmm

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Aval0n-:

ok man thanks a bunch

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Daviey:

justinh: have you looked at mythbuntu docs?

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justinh:

and yes I know things get changed from time to time but the bulk functionality stays the same. the 'daily use' section in the wiki is fantastic and IMHO we need a lot more like that

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justinh:

Daviey: not really no

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Daviey:

justinh: http://www.mythbuntu.org/installation_manual

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Daviey:

^ just installation manual – but what do you think of the format?

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justinh:

I'm thinking of a usage point of view as well though

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Daviey:

justinh: thats LaTeX format – easy to put into svn

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justinh:

I like the format. not sure of the style.. "you must.." "you can.. " etc but otherwise approve

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haggus:

! links

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squish102:

wow i didnt realise mythbuntu had an installation manual (probably because it installed perfectly)

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justinh:

Daviey: not much going on about the channel editor though. could cover scanning & dvb setup

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justinh:

all that said though – very worthwhile

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justinh:

btw why do the ubuntu packages use /var/lib as the base dir for music/video locations?

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directhex:

121 pages

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directhex:

christ, that's a labour of love

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justinh:

I can see some collaboration coming on

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directhex:

it is time for bed. beeeeeeeed!

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justinh:

wow. on average I'm recording 44 hours of programming a week

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justinh:

and that's without multirec

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justinh:

macbook air :O

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zdzisekg:

I'm having problems changing channels after multirec merge. Anyone around to help troubleshoot it?

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fryfrog:

krikey, did multi-rec return to svn truck recently?

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rushfan:

Hey, when I have my HDHomeRun hooked up it causes channels 0–10 to look like complete crap in all the other rooms in the house

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rushfan:

wtf

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justinh:

fryfrog: it was merged yesterday

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jamesd:

justinh, are you thinking of giving up your full time job just to watch it all

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justinh:

jamesd: lol no. there's always something to I want to watch, that's all

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rushfan:

Umm, is splitting a cable single twice a bad idea?

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justinh:

saves wasting hour upon hour in front of the tv

[01:42:04]

rushfan:

Like splitting it, then splitting the split?

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justinh:

rushfan: can be. depends on the signal strength & cable quality

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justinh:

rushfan: if it's an aerial (antenna) I'd recommend you use an amplifier with multiple outputs

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rushfan:

justinh: its cable

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rushfan:

What if I hook it up in the basement right where the cable enters the house?

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justinh:

try it. if it turns out to be guff, get an active splitter/amp :)

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rushfan:

justinh: could I just get an amplifier for the whole house?

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rushfan:

So the signal doesnt die whenever I hook the HDTV tuner up upstairs?

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justinh:

rushfan: could do I suppose. plenty on the market

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rushfan:

justinh: should I plug in the amplifier in where the signal is weak

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rushfan:

or before that point?

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justinh:

if you have a cable modem you'll need one that's 2-way though, or put the modem before the amp/split

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justinh:

best to distribute from the point of entry I reckon

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rushfan:

no cable modem

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rushfan:

justinh: I already have one at the point of entry

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rushfan:

it clearly isnt strong enough :|

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justinh:

passive 2 way splitters tend to halve the available signal

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justinh:

so split an already split signal & it's down to a quarter strength

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rushfan:

justinh: but does that matter w/ digital?

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rushfan:

justinh: anyhow the bottom line is I have to get a better amplifier for my cable I guess :|

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justinh:

up to a point, no it doesn't matter – the point being the cutoff where a tuner can't pick up the signal anymore

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haggus:

is knoppmyth working with sasc-ng for NA satellite?

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DustyBin:

mythtv + solid state HD ftw :D

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justinh:

haggus: you can't talk about ****-** in here

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haggus:

oh ok

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justinh:

better go find the rock where the people who use that live under

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Mythbox:

sprechen sie deutsch

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justinh:

Mythbox: #mythtv-de

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haggus:

justinh thx gues I'll head over to google see if I can't locate those people

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Mythbox:

ah, danke

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Mythbox:

\j #mythtv-de

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justinh:

keine probleme Herr Mythbox ;) If I remember any of my German lessons from all those years ago, I dunno

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Mythbox:

lol

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Aval0n-:

justin what menu did you spy that option in for turning off arrow acceleration

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Aval0n-:

or whatever

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DustyBin:

justinh: could you recommend a place to buy computer hardware online in the UK, i usually use ebuyer but im having trouble logging into their system

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justinh:

Aval0n-: mythfrontend utils/setup > settings > tv > general IIRC

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Aval0n-:

thanks

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justinh:

nope. in utils/setup > settings > general on the same page as system exit key etc

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justinh:

'use arrow key accelerators'

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Aval0n-:

found it

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Aval0n-:

thnx

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justinh:

or UPDATE settings SET data=1 WHERE value="UseArrowAccels" and hostname="hostname";

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justinh:

:P

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Aval0n-:

lol

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Aval0n-:

right

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Aval0n-:

:)

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justinh:

done being a smartass now. going to bed. g'night all

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Aval0n-:

g'night

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squish102:

btw, if i dont compile mythtv and i use the one that comes with mythbuntu, how do i know what version i am running?

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cafuego:

dpkg -l mythtv

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cafuego:

0.20 it will be

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squish102:

thanks cafuego, but it returned <none> by version :(

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Catty2:

well, time for attempt #2

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Catty2:

hopefully mythbuntu will boot with this computer :)

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cafuego:

squish102: No package called mythtv installed then. try mythtv-backend or mythtv-frontend

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squish102:

thanks cafuego, i have 0.20.2+fixes15 on

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Toxicity999:

Anyone ever rig up a way to send IRSSI pings to a local Mythfrontend box via mythosd? Seems to be fairly easy

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Toxicity999:

I'm unsure of the real workings of mythtvosd though so looking it up.

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rushfan:

god damn my crappy wiring

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Toxicity999:

ah yea, this is easy

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iamlindoro_:

Mmm, HD Hockey...

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Catty2:

hey mythbuntu lokos to be loading!

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Catty2:

anyone help me out with something quick?

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jams:

just ask your questin, someone may answer.

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Catty2:

just trying to get mythbuntu to run it didnt detect my hdd it was on cable select so i switched to master

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Catty2:

i gotta see if it works now

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Aval0n:

!seen |torg|

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MythLogBot:

|torg| was last seen 8 days 3 hours 29 minutes 27 seconds ago

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Aval0n:

damn

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iamlindoro_:

It's a sad day when you're pulling mpeg-2 streams straight off the firewire... and the SD channels are *2.5 Megabit/s*

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javatexan:

iamlindoro any luck with mythcommflag?

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iamlindoro_:

javatexan: No, I haven't had any time to look at it recently

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javatexan:

okay...thought you were doing that...I'll just wait till you have a chance

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iamlindoro_:

I don't think I'm going to be able to do any more than find potential workarounds, however

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javatexan:

could it be that the files you are adding are not owned by mythtv?

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iamlindoro_:

no

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iamlindoro_:

When it comes down to it mythtranscode can either handle the files or it can't... and it appears that it cannot.

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javatexan:

sounds about right :)

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: i looked in my defaults for cpu+ and cpu++ and both had bob 2x deinter set for 1280x720 resolution

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Aval0n:

so I set it to none, and so far.. no skipping.

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Aval0n:

but I dont want to get my hopes up

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iamlindoro:

Yup, that's probably a good start

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Aval0n:

cause it's always been intermittent

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johnsu01:

so, I can watch live tv fine, but watching anything while it's recording gives me just a green screen with some static across the top

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johnsu01:

seems like a profile thing of some kind, but I haven't been able to find the right option

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Toxicity999:

Woot, I got my IRSSI script working

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Toxicity999:

now when pinged I see it on my TV

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Toxicity999:

It's pretty sweet

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Toxicity999:

If anyone's interested I can pastebin it, but it's pretty easy to rig anyway.

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jhulst:

johnsu01: what's your processor usage when recording + playing back? What hardware are you running on? Is the be + fe on the same machine?

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johnsu01:

jhulst: ah, I got it, just needed to change the height apparently in the recording profiles

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jhulst:

johnsu01: good

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Catty2:

hey

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Catty2:

does anyone know what to select for rcn cable tv?

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Catty2:

us-bast?

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Catty2:

us-cable?

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Catty2:

or where to find what to select?

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: you around?

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jhulst:

Catty2: My guess is us-cable, try it and if you can't tune any channels, try us-bcast

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johnsu01:

now I just need to figure out why tv playback freezes the whole box on the other frontend :(

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johnsu01:

I thought it was an xv issue, but starting with NO_XV="1" produces the same result

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johnsu01:

it's a ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R100 QD [Radeon 7200]

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Catty2:

okay thanks

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johnsu01:

dvd playback works fine, but not with the internal player — I have to use an external player

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jhulst:

johnsu01: have you tried playing a video with mplayer and seeing if that freezes it?

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johnsu01:

jhulst: I can play things with mplayer, yeah

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jhulst:

johnsu01: fullscreen?

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Cyrexion:

hey guys... what directories store the mythtv and osd themes ?

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johnsu01:

jhulst: yep, fullscreen

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johnsu01:

jhulst: xine also works

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johnsu01:

and I turned off the realtime priority option

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jhulst:

johnsu01: I haven't used an ATI card, if you go to playback profiles, verify that xvmc is not being used at all

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jhulst:

You can tweak some settings in there, trying different combinations may help

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johnsu01:

yeah, I tried libmpeg2 and standard

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johnsu01:

it's hard to debug since everytime == a full reboot :(

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jhulst:

johnsu01: true, you could output the logs to a file, it probably won't help much, but at least you can see whats going on then

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jhulst:

johnsu01: can you ssh in after it locks up?

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johnsu01:

jhulst: no, though I can ping it

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johnsu01:

last I checked the logs there was nothing, even at maximum verbosity

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jhulst:

johnsu01: interesting, what if you have an ssh session open when you begin playing, does the session lockup

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johnsu01:

jhulst: it does, yeah

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jhulst:

johnsu01: do you know at what point it freezes? If you start mythfrontend in a console and redirect the output to a file, what is the last thing that gets written?

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Cyrexion:

hi guys... does anyone know how to change the OSD in MythTV ?

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johnsu01:

jhulst: I'll check that on the next try

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jhulst:

Cyrexion: setup, setup, tv settings, playback osd

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CCFL_Man2:

how is qam support in mythtv?

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fryfrog:

completely unfun :p

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Cyrexion:

thanks, jhulst

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CCFL_Man2:

there are lots of kick ass dvb tools

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Mythbox:

guys i have to admit.. myth tv is amazing

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: QAM in myth works perfectly

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Mythbox:

yes it does

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iamlindoro:

Just choose a decent card, you won't have an issue

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Mythbox:

HD is beautiful

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Mythbox:

man where as myth tv been all my life

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Mythbox:

lol

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: which do you recommend that has both good qam and atsc performance? the air2pc card?

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fryfrog:

right here, waiting for you :)

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fryfrog:

CCFL_Man2: they are all good, if they do QAM and have linux support.

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iamlindoro:

Air2PC is good, HDHomeRun is good, if you want to go cheap, the KWorld 110 is fine... anything is fine

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fryfrog:

I use/have used the air2pc cards, no problem. Of course, QAM *itself* sucks to deal with.

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh, ok

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fryfrog:

let me count the ways:

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog: He's gonna modulate his own QAM, so none of the normal headaches-- I think he's nuts ;)

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CCFL_Man2:

fryfrog: whats wrong with qam?

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fryfrog:

oh, wha?

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fryfrog:

nothing in your case, it sounds like

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fryfrog:

my gripes are more with the cable co

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CCFL_Man2:

oh, hehe

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iamlindoro:

He's gonna pay the content providers to get it via DVB-ASI, modulate it to QAM, and receive that way :O

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CCFL_Man2:

oh yes, i've read the horror stories

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fryfrog:

interesting

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Mythbox:

guys i need an honest opinion would you use arch or slackware for myth tv

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Mythbox:

?

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fryfrog:

but why? becuase there are no dvb-asi cards?

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fryfrog:

Mythbox: use what you are familiar with, that is the best way.

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iamlindoro:

Because there is not V4L for DVB-ASI

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iamlindoro:

er no

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CCFL_Man2:

fryfrog: i'm going to purchase commercial satellite receivers and qam modulators

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Mythbox:

i know both very well

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fryfrog:

I like both Gentoo and Ubuntu, myth was fine either way.

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iamlindoro:

only proprietary inerfaces

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fryfrog:

CCFL_Man2: wow, neat

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Mythbox:

hmm

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Mythbox:

maybe i'll use both lol

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iamlindoro:

He cwazy

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fryfrog:

CCFL_Man2: sounds expensive :)

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Mythbox:

i have a 40g i'm using w/ my mythbox for OS then 500G for tv and movies

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fryfrog:

how will you change channels?

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Mythbox:

maybe i'll just have 2 OSs so if one goes down i'll be ok

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fryfrog:

2x 80G for system (raid1) and 8x320G (raid5) :)

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fryfrog:

course, that isn't all for myth

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CCFL_Man2:

fryfrog: there are dvb-asi pci cards, but they cost $2000 at minimum, are hard to find, impossible to get cheap, and myth doesn't know how to use the api thats supplied with the drivers, and i'm not a coder

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

so what sort of sat system uses this?

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iamlindoro:

It's how the cable companies get the channels from the various networks, he's just emulating what they do

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fryfrog:

OHHH!

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fryfrog:

so this is like a legit feed, from say, HBO or what ever

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iamlindoro:

like, for example getting a straight dump from Reuters, CourtTV, etc.

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CCFL_Man2:

i'll pretty much have my own cable system, the rf output of the modulator will be combined with other modulators, each channel will have it's own receiver and modulator

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iamlindoro:

yup

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fryfrog:

instead of HBO from dtv, dish or something else

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CCFL_Man2:

i'll get it via c band, remember c band? :P

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fryfrog:

CCFL_Man2: are you doing this for an apartment complex or something?

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fryfrog:

the name rings a bell, but only from reading or something :p

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CCFL_Man2:

in my house, so i can input c band feeds into mythtv

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fryfrog:

ah

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** iamlindoro set up a headend once with DVB-ASI on Linux... works well for cable headends, baaaad for something like myth. **

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CCFL_Man2:

c band is the band that uses the large dishes, 6ft or more

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: you did? tell me more about it

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iamlindoro:

If you live in the northeast and have Adephia or Time Warner and get TV from *these* guys, http://www.gotuit.com/, I set u the headend and data center when I was working there

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iamlindoro:

er up

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CCFL_Man2:

yeah, i had adelphishat

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CCFL_Man2:

oh, i see

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CCFL_Man2:

you provided them with the feeds

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iamlindoro:

It's been some time... each of the networks at that time (Reuters, Scripps, CourtTV, etc) provided us with a ASI card in one of their own proprietary boxes, and it dumped straight out as well, so very little interface with their boxes

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iamlindoro:

No, I worked for Gotuit

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CCFL_Man2:

right

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iamlindoro:

And we leased a Reuters box, CourtTV box, etc, and it was automagic, but it was just a linux box with a DVB-ASI card

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iamlindoro:

each different, each a pain in the ass

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CCFL_Man2:

kick ass mang

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iamlindoro:

Scripps sent us everything on tape-drive, amusingly

[05:39:29]

CCFL_Man2:

oh really? for food video on demand?

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CCFL_Man2:

or you just play the tape?

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iamlindoro:

Food Network and a few other things, yeah

[05:39:58]

iamlindoro:

all digital, got dumped into our carousel and cut for VOD

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CCFL_Man2:

oh wow, thats cool

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iamlindoro:

They weren't doing the NHL on demand stuff when I was there... NFL on demand only for sports, but I got to meet Patriots cheerleaders and ogle them ;)

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devsforev:

mmmm..... oogle....

[05:40:53]

** devsforev shakes head **

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, they seem to be perpetually on the verge of a deal w/ Comcast, so maybe my stock options will be worth something someday

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CCFL_Man2:

thats how their VOD works then, hbo has a dcII channel for VOD, i guess you record the broadcasts and put them on your server

[05:41:41]

iamlindoro:

Sort of, but not really

[05:41:59]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, it's under NDA, so I can't say anything about the technical aspects

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CCFL_Man2:

how does hbo VOD work?

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fryfrog:

thats more than i ever knew able cable :)

[05:42:05]

CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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CCFL_Man2:

neat stuff

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iamlindoro:

And to be truthful, since I was doing network and data center/headend management, my knowledge of the proprietary software stuff is limited anyway, but there's a fancy Gotuit box in each of the headends using the technology that allows for cool extra VOD features

[05:43:51]

CCFL_Man2:

you work with motorola DSR-4410s?

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iamlindoro:

like playlists, saved VOD preferences, etc.

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: Glad that you got it figured out. I wonder what the hell is up with your cable line.

[05:44:07]

CCFL_Man2:

oh, neat

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CCFL_Man2:

mythtv is way better though

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CCFL_Man2:

for the customer anyway

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iamlindoro:

Well, I prefer Myth over any VOD... I prefer to own my content and decide what to do with it

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CCFL_Man2:

exactly

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iamlindoro:

own in quotes, I guess, but I like it unencumbered

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fryfrog:

God, I would *pay* for a PCI CableCard to get all the cable I pay for into Myth easily.

[05:45:25]

CCFL_Man2:

you see why i want to do my own system? :)

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fryfrog:

I wish the cable co's weren't such dillholes

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: I won't deny the fun of it, I just question the prudence since I'm not rich :)

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CCFL_Man2:

fryfrog: i hate hate hate cumcast with a passion

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fryfrog:

me to, no questions asked

[05:46:14]

fryfrog:

but if they were the first to offer a pci cable card that worked in linux

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fryfrog:

i'd be happy to have them

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fryfrog:

I might end up moving accross the fucking country... and *still* end up with lame comcast :/

[05:46:39]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: well, i don't buy the stuff new, i just try to get it cheap on ebay auctions, over time, building up the equipment inventory

[05:46:43]

iamlindoro:

I can stand them currently because they're giving me all my channels via firewire ;)

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro: nice :)

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fryfrog:

if i get denied, i'll go pick up a pair of STB *tuners* instead of the shitty STB HD DVRs I had.

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fryfrog:

which HD STB tuner do you have?

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iamlindoro:

DCH-3200

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fryfrog:

oh, sweet

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fryfrog:

so it works

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fryfrog:

that is their newest moto stb tuner, right?

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CCFL_Man2:

fryfrog: why don't you use their firewire enabled stb like iamlindoro?

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fryfrog:

their being comcast, not moto

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fryfrog:

CCFL_Man2: I did, previously

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fryfrog:

CCFL_Man2: I canceled cable TV to save teh monies

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iamlindoro:

That said, I don't like the way they mux some of my channels... I'm dumping Comedy Central straight off the box... and it's 2.5 Mbit... at that bitrate it still looks like shit

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fryfrog:

now that I'm okay again, I can turn it back on, if I don't end up moving to Palo Alto :)

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog: Yes, I think it's the standard non-dvr box at this point

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CCFL_Man2:

fryfrog: what do you use now?

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fryfrog:

I never had any trouble with the quality from firewire, when it worked.

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fryfrog:

A PVR500 recording analog and an air2pc recording OTA HD

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iamlindoro:

admittedly, it's head and shoulders above getting it analog off the PVR-150

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fryfrog:

and I think I have another air2pc card sitting on my desk doing nothing :/

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fryfrog:

recently sold my spare PVR250 to some guy in here... wonder if he got it :)

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johnsu01:

jhulst: downgraded to an older ati driver and still triggered the crash, log output coming up momentarily..

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iamlindoro:

The big deal for me is getting all my paid-for HD channels via firewire.. I had stopped using them since I couldn't get them into myth... but now I'm gorging myself on Discovery HD, Universal HD, HBO HD, etc.

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fryfrog:

mm, Discovery HD was my favorite

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fryfrog:

you recording the planet earth series?

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fryfrog:

the one with sigorney weaver narrating?

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iamlindoro:

I got Planet Earth on HD-DVD, those are ripped and in MythVideo

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fryfrog:

ah

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iamlindoro:

And they're from the BBC on disk, with David Attenborough narrating ;)

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johnsu01:

2008-01–16 00:42:49.959 VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed

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johnsu01:

2008-01–16 00:42:49.979 VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'ATI Radeon Video Overlay'

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fryfrog:

is it any better than having it recorded from DHD?

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iamlindoro:

I wonder if they re-dubbed for US? Hahah, from English into "English?"

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CCFL_Man2:

fryfrog: analog cable?

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fryfrog:

yar, sir, plain old, lame analog cable

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telee:

when i try to play a movie (not throught mythtv) the screen is all green with some other colors. Would mythtv mess things up like codecs or somethign?

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog: Well, it's 1080p rather than I, I think that's a biggish deal

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

neat

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johnsu01:

jhulst: so, those are the last couple lines..

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CCFL_Man2:

fryfrog: no qam on that line?

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iamlindoro:

and the bitrate is 40 Mbit, versus a max of 18 on cable

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jhulst:

johnsu01: It's trying to use xvmc, I would try disabling that

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fryfrog:

It has it, but it was to annoying to use.

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fryfrog:

1) there were like 300+ QAM channels, 98% of them encrypted

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iamlindoro:

It's pretty much the most spectacular HD thing I've ever seen... and at 40 Mbit 1080p, it's astounding

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johnsu01:

jhulst: hm, but that's the same message I see on my laptop front end

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: i have access to software files and pdfs for your box

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johnsu01:

jhulst: with NO_XV

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fryfrog:

(whcih myth didn't realize, i had to manually remove them)

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johnsu01:

2008-01–15 23:31:00.421 VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed

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johnsu01:

2008-01–15 23:31:00.422 VideoOutputXv: Falling back to X shared memory video output.

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Which, the 3200?

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fryfrog:

2) comcast would re-arrange the channels with regularity :(

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fryfrog:

3) QAM basically only got me the HD FTA channels anyway.

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iamlindoro:

I'm hoping comcast adds TravelChannel HD, that launched this week... and I want HDNet

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johnsu01:

jhulst: I also haven't seen any place where that's enabled, any suggestion for to disable it?

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iamlindoro:

I do love Universal HD, though, and Discovery HD

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: yes

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CCFL_Man2:

fryfrog: ahh, sucks balls

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fryfrog:

comcast has gotten a *ton* of new HD channels since I dropped my tv service

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Cool, i'll remember that for if I ever have need of them

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fryfrog:

I think my parents had like 4–5 near channels when I went over.

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog: Me too! Well, not dropped, but stopped using the HD channels... I got firewire and was like, where the hell did these channels come from??

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fryfrog:

heheh

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro: the hard part is remembering to check datadirect to add the new channels!

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fryfrog:

when i was doing firewire, we probably had a few new HD channels for weeks before I realized

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jhulst:

johnsu01: Are you using trunk or .20?

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: when i asked motorola for docs on the DSR-4410 i have access to stuff for their cable boxes

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iamlindoro_:

fryfrog: Really? Mine adds new channels automagically

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fryfrog:

really?

[05:54:58]

iamlindoro_:

yup

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fryfrog:

humm, wonder what setting i have different

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iamlindoro_:

I keep having to prune out stupid music channels

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johnsu01:

jhulst: Using the debian lenny package, which is..

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fryfrog:

well, had :)

[05:55:21]

fryfrog:

anyway, time to go home :)

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iamlindoro_:

Was this pre-Schedules-direct?

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fryfrog:

later tater

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fryfrog:

yeah, think so

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CCFL_Man2:

different cumcast served areas have different ways of maintaining their cable plant

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johnsu01:

Version: 0.20.2.svn20071210–0.0

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iamlindoro_:

ok, maybe that's the change... anyway, later

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iamlindoro_:

CCFL_Man2: Yup, that's for sure... an you don't have to go far to find totally different policies

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iamlindoro_:

er and

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jhulst:

johnsu01: I'm not sure then, on trunk it's under tv settings, playback, playback profiles, I'm not sure if that is the same in .20 or not

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iamlindoro_:

Another Great one in HD is the Discovery Atlas series

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iamlindoro_:

Although even on Blu-ray it's only 1080i

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iamlindoro_:

But the bitrate is nice and high, so it looks phenom

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: i brought my samsung atsc and qam box to work to see what qam channels i'd get from my local cumcast, i got nothing but blank channels when i scanned, they all said no signal but the signal strength was full, you think they could be encrypted?

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jhulst:

johnsu01: what card did you say you had? You're using fglrx?

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iamlindoro_:

CCFL_Man2: It's sure possible... they encrypt the *hell* out of QAM here

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CCFL_Man2:

and on channel 90 during the scan the box would crash

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: another reason for my hate for cumcast

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johnsu01:

jhulst: yeah, there's no xvmc option in that version

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johnsu01:

jhulst: r100, with the radeon xorg driver

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iamlindoro_:

CCFL_Man2: I have no love for them either, but I'm remaining still and not making noise for fear they turn of my firewire ;)

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jhulst:

johnsu01: I guess I would backup your xorg.conf and try install fglrx

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iamlindoro_:

er off

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johnsu01:

jhulst: I'm pretty sure the proprietary drivers don't support the r100.. I can check though

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro_: i hear you, do you get digital SD channels too?

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iamlindoro_:

Via firewire? Yep.

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CCFL_Man2:

nice

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CCFL_Man2:

that kicks ass

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iamlindoro_:

Of the 250 or so, I get 245 or so without encryption

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iamlindoro_:

and the few that are, I can live without

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh, which ones are?

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iamlindoro_:

A&EHD, a local channel that I get clear via QAM, and... .hmm, TBSHD, I think, and maybe one more

[06:03:10]

iamlindoro_:

CinemaxHD

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iamlindoro_:

that's all of them

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CCFL_Man2:

fuckers

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iamlindoro_:

It's so okay given what I do get

[06:03:38]

CCFL_Man2:

yeah

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telee:

anyhone know why i get a green screen when i play movies?

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iamlindoro:

nvidia?

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CCFL_Man2:

you play with dcII receivers too?

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CCFL_Man2:

at your job?

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iamlindoro:

bad driver. Upgrade or downgrade to fix.

[06:04:22]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Nope, not there any more, no more cable work

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telee:

iamlindoro, yeah

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telee:

iamlindoro, ok let me see

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: i'm gonna try to get commercial receivers activated with a c band provider

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iamlindoro:

Go to the very newest driver, that one resolves the problem... if you are running *buntu, I don't think there is a package for it yet, may need to get it from nVidia and figure it out yourself

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Should be interesting

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: yeah, but, i'll have my own qam system, which will kick ass

[06:07:55]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: As long as you can keep the subscription cost down, it will be a fun project

[06:08:09]

iamlindoro:

My fear is that they will want to charge you obscenely for the stream

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iamlindoro:

If you can get the headend gear cheap, free, or second hand, I see no problem with it... aside from electrical cost

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** iamlindoro is trying to "go green" this year **

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: most c band providers offer cheap services

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jhulst:

johnsu01: Quick googling shows trying to disable dri

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telee:

iamlindoro, does it make sense that when i restarted i dont get the green screen?

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CCFL_Man2:

yeah, power cost will be the killer

[06:09:35]

iamlindoro:

telee: Yep, that's normal for the driver bug

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telee:

iamlindoro, perfect.. i appreciate your help... you always help me and you ROCK

[06:10:01]

iamlindoro:

telee: It's easily reproducible... play something in mythtv... leave mythtv, play something in mplayer, go back to mythtv... green/pink screen every time.

[06:10:22]

telee:

ok so hopefully when i get my mythtv set up perfectly i will leave it at that =]

[06:10:24]

iamlindoro:

telee: No problem, thanks for the kind words... hard to come by around here sometimes

[06:10:33]

telee:

right now i get a lil problems with it

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CCFL_Man2:

most professional equipment is made with no consideration for power saving

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telee:

haha no problem... its hard to find good help like yourself

[06:10:47]

iamlindoro:

especially when you have to argue with people for their own good ;)

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telee:

very much appreciated

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iamlindoro:

no problem... I can be a sarcastic bastard, but the sarcasm is always tongue-in-cheek

[06:11:12]

CCFL_Man2:

wow, these motorola cable boxes are quite craptacular

[06:11:37]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: I remember what a chore it was just to handle the cooling needs of our headend... a nightmare

[06:11:52]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: But obviously, it was much larger scale than what you are talking about

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telee:

=]

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: how hot would the equipment get?

[06:12:04]

CCFL_Man2:

well, yeah

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telee:

yummm... time to watch my movie and eat my qdoba burrito

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: You know, we threw so much cooling at that room that I never found out how hot it would get without it... probably for the best

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CCFL_Man2:

telee: careful, you might get anal leakage

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** iamlindoro tries to remember where he had QDoba **

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iamlindoro:

Maybe in Tucson?

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: you probably had a shit ton of modulators, irds, etc

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CCFL_Man2:

racks and racks and racks

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Not *so* many modulators... we only had our "test" headend, each of our clients just dropped in to their headend and used their own

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

He had *maybe* 10 modulators, keep in mind it was VOD so we only needed enough for testing by X number of people

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iamlindoro:

no constant streams/channels

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CCFL_Man2:

oh, you just provided VOD services?

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iamlindoro:

The whole headend was three racks, and that was mostly VOD carousels

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh, ok

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iamlindoro:

right, the company did all the media cutting/wrote some fancy software/provided hardware to cable co's

[06:16:06]

iamlindoro:

so our headend was just a test bed

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johnsu01:

jhulst: just triggered it with removing the dri module and xorg.conf stanza, rebooting..

[06:16:16]

CCFL_Man2:

ahh, i see

[06:16:35]

CCFL_Man2:

3 racks and an issue with cooling

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johnsu01:

jhulst: I wouldn't think xvmc would be an issue, since it doesn't support this card

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CCFL_Man2:

sounds bad :P

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: We had LOTS of servers in the same room

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iamlindoro:

It was Data Center + Headend

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CCFL_Man2:

oh, i see

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CCFL_Man2:

how many racks in total?

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iamlindoro:

Not huge... 10ish

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CCFL_Man2:

not bad

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iamlindoro:

But 10 full racks in any amount of space is going to cause some real heat

[06:18:06]

CCFL_Man2:

still a lot though

[06:18:08]

CCFL_Man2:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

And the fastest internet I have ever had, heh

[06:18:37]

iamlindoro:

'cause we had to push new content, and it had to be there within minutes

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CCFL_Man2:

i dream of racks in my closets, but the power and cooling will be out of my budget

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

If only I had been able to put it to my nefarious purposes :)

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CCFL_Man2:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

I *occasionally* would get Linux ISOs, etc using that connection

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iamlindoro:

to see an ISO come down in a minute or two was crazy

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CCFL_Man2:

how big was the pipe?

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iamlindoro:

I know there are plenty of faster connections (imagine how it is on the Google campus) but that was the fastest for me

[06:21:27]

iamlindoro:

Multiple DS-3 connections

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jhulst:

johnsu01: I gues I would think that if it was trying to use it and not support it, it may cause problems

[06:22:06]

jhulst:

johnsu01: try playing a file with this and see what happens, mplayer -vo xvmc -vc ffmpeg12mc <filename>

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: how many? two or 3?

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iamlindoro:

*is* there vxmc for ati cards?

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Two during my time, I think they have since added more

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iamlindoro:

er xvmc

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jhulst:

iamlindoro: no, but the logs show that it is trying it right before a hard freeze of an ati card

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iamlindoro:

jhulst: Oh, ok... Not trying to butt in, thought I was learning something :)

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: thats sexy, 90mbit

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jhulst:

iamlindoro: no problem :)

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Yeah, like I said, plenty of faster connections out there, but it was plenty fast to me

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: must have cost like 10k per month though

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johnsu01:

jhulst: I'll give that a shot in a moment, I also have some more verbose debug output here..

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: I *think* it was about $5300 each, so pretty close guess

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Gumby:

does anyone here use hdmi out on a nvidia card? just wondering if its even possible?

[06:25:09]

iamlindoro:

Gumby: Yup, ti's possible

[06:25:17]

iamlindoro:

same drivers, nothing different

[06:25:22]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: they use some cisco 2600 series router?

[06:25:26]

iamlindoro:

it's just DVI in the end

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Gumby:

iamlindoro: cool, is the quality much better than vga? and would you possible have a howto somewhere? The hdmi works, but as soon as the nvidia driver takes over the screen goes dead

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Nope, some big beast from Cisco for the aggregation of the two

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johnsu01:

jhulst: http;//wjsullivan.net/tmp/log.txt is interesting

[06:26:22]

iamlindoro:

Gumby: *substantial* improvement over VGA

[06:26:29]

Gumby:

iamlindoro: good to hear :)

[06:26:34]

iamlindoro:

Gumby: It sounds like just a matter of bad xorg.conf

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: maybe a 3600 series? those are farking huge

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johnsu01:

jhulst: right after that it loads OSD stuff, then ends

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Yep

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iamlindoro:

Gumby: What distro?

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Gumby:

iamlindoro: yeah, I think so too. Its just a default ubuntu xorg.conf pretty much

[06:27:00]

Gumby:

ubuntu gutsy

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: how were the DS3's connected to it?

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iamlindoro:

Gumby: Can you ssh in? Get all the way booted up, ssh in, and try a sudo nvidia-xconfig

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CCFL_Man2:

some csu/dsu i imagine?

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CCFL_Man2:

two of em

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Gumby:

iamlindoro: yeah, no go

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Gumby:

iamlindoro: I have no problem accessing the system and vga works fine

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Gumby:

I guess technically speaking it could be working but the tv isnt handling it.

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: The DS-3 came in via a RG-11 (well, two of them), terminated into a big metal box, and output via Cat6

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iamlindoro:

Gumby: try the nvidia-xconfig with the VGA competely disconnected and the TV connected and on

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iamlindoro:

then reboot or restart X

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: oh, and that into teh router?

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Gumby:

iamlindoro: ok will give it a go

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Yep

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iamlindoro:

Gumby: You also might give a go with apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx-new

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iamlindoro:

Gumby: With nothing but the HDMI connected, and the TV on

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: RG-11 is some heafty shit :P

[06:30:56]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: No shit! It came in in the air straight off the street, and I got to pull it through the rafters

[06:31:24]

iamlindoro:

I never went into the big fattie box... RCN was our provider for the DS3

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CCFL_Man2:

hah, i bet it was a struggle

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh yeah, i know them

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iamlindoro:

If you didn't know any better, you would think it was power cable

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CCFL_Man2:

yeah, it's pretty heavy

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CCFL_Man2:

pita to terminate

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Gumby:

iamlindoro: worked like a charm. just rebooted with vga unplugged. only @ 1024x768 right now but that can be changed

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Heh, well someone else gets paid to do *that*

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iamlindoro:

Gumby: Good! Shooting from the hip since I do DVI only, but the principles are the same

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iamlindoro:

(in fact, the signals are the same)

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Gumby:

iamlindoro: thx a bunch

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iamlindoro:

np

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Gumby:

iamlindoro: is audio over hdmi working for you? Or is that a whole other can-o-beans?

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: RCN called us and asked for some lantronix terminal servers, we had to give them to RCN, the fuckers, i wanted them

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iamlindoro:

Gumby: I don't have an HDMI GPU, is your HDMI on board?

[06:34:42]

Gumby:

iamlindoro: yes

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Gumby:

beautiful lil mobo

[06:35:01]

iamlindoro:

Gumby: Hmm, I would think it would "just work" with the right alsa config

[06:35:08]

mzb_d800:

can anyone tell me, help me, or link me with a problem I'm having with my Sony remote? ... there's doesn't seem to be an equivalent definition for it on lirc.org and irrecord ends up giving me many different codes for the same button (often conflicting with other button definitions)

[06:35:15]

Gumby:

vga, dvi, hdmi, 6ch audio, digital audio out....

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Gumby:

no svideo. lol

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iamlindoro:

mzb_d800: I have that same issue with my projector remote

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mzb_d800:

The remote's model is a Sony RM-U252, that came with an STR-D565

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iamlindoro:

Gumby: S-video is for the 20th century

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mzb_d800:

iamlindoro: hmm

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Gumby:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

mzb_d800: I got irrecord to take it, but only in raw mode

[06:36:21]

iamlindoro:

mzb_d800: But irblasting those signals works *maybe* one out of ten times

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mzb_d800:

mine does it in raw mode only ... but it's WRONG ;)

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: then wanted the broked ones we had, lots of ports were damaged by lightning surges

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mzb_d800:

I can't get any transmission of those codes to work, in any combination

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: You guys have a business partnership?

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iamlindoro:

mzb_d800: The way I make it work sometimes is

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mzb_d800:

at one stage I had >25 codes for each button (being tested)

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iamlindoro:

using irsend with SEND_START instead of SEND_ONCE

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

but again, that's one in ten times

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iamlindoro:

I would like to get to the bottom of it too, only started working on it last weekend

[06:38:13]

iamlindoro:

I *think* the problem could be a RC6/RC5 incompatibility with my MCE reciever

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: i think so, the company i work for and them are either one in the same or they provided us with the actual pipes to the sites we needed, i doubt they were going to fix them

[06:38:47]

iamlindoro:

May try to go to my folk's house this weekend and record it there with the snapstream USB, or maybe record with my HTPC cases IR

[06:38:58]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Ah, okay

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johnsu01:

jhulst: mplayer tells me there is no xvmc on :0.0 and then plays only audio

[06:39:30]

johnsu01:

but does not crash :)

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jhulst:

johnsu01: okay, well then that doesn't seem to be the problem

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: i was going to fix the broken one for myself so i'd have an extra, i think the level converters were just samaged, not the uarts

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iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: You're probably more handy with that kind of thing than I am, when certain things break I'm too impatient to sit and fix... certain things, anyway

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jhulst:

johnsu01: maybe try decreasing your resolution. Were the files you played with mplayer the same file you are trying to play now?

[06:42:01]

johnsu01:

jhulst: no, different files

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johnsu01:

jhulst: the current resolution is 1680x1050

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: well my training is electronics, as is my main hobby, the 16 port terminal servers cost an assload, even used, so i wanted to fix the broken one

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jhulst:

johnsu01: I would try playing the same file, zoomed full screen. Is this HD or SD?

[06:42:59]

johnsu01:

jhulst: hm, xorg still seems to be loading dri though... something else must depend on it

[06:43:16]

johnsu01:

jhulst: the same TV recording file?

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iamlindoro:

I think that "XvMCTex: Init failed" is normal... I get it all the time, and I don't use XvMC... video still pays

[06:43:25]

iamlindoro:

er plays

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mzb_d800:

iamlindoro: nope, SEND_START doesn't help me

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: i love serial terminal servers though, i have lots of serial devices, so i can access any of them from anywhere, and with most commercial equipment using them, i'd probably need it

[06:43:33]

iamlindoro:

May be working a red herring

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jhulst:

johnsu01: yes, is the TV recording HD or SD

[06:44:02]

johnsu01:

jhulst: it's not HD

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iamlindoro:

mzb_d800: Bummer :( Well, it was very hit or miss for me too, I bet we are working the same issue

[06:44:12]

jhulst:

iamlindoro: yeah, we tried forcing mplayer to use xvmc and it didn't freeze, my gut tells me that ATI is to blame though :)

[06:44:21]

mzb_d800:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

mzb_d800: I think they are just using an IR scheme that isn't RC5 or RC6

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iamlindoro:

jhulst: ATI is invariably to blame

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mzb_d800:

annoying ... it's about the only thing that stops me going from 4–5 remotes down to 1

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iamlindoro:

mzb_d800: And so I know what you are talking about... you look at the raw codes and go, "Uhh... these are the SAME."

[06:45:19]

iamlindoro:

minus a number differing by 50 here and there

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iamlindoro:

mzb_d800: Same here, I spliced a minijack/RCA/line through the wall/RCA to IR emitter setup just so I could run the projector with lirc

[06:46:09]

mzb_d800:

bugger!

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iamlindoro:

And I *see* the ir emitter light up with my digital cam

[06:46:32]

iamlindoro:

but very very very little luck... not nothing at all, just next to nothing at all

[06:46:38]

jhulst:

johnsu01: I assume you restarted X when you disabled dri

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iamlindoro:

and nothing reliable enough to script

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johnsu01:

jhulst: mplayer plays the TV recording files with -fs fine

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CCFL_Man2:

terminal server might be good for lots of ir devices

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johnsu01:

jhulst: I did restart X, yeah, but it's still loading the dri module according to the log

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mzb_d800:

atm, the only reason for the Sony remote is TV, VIDEO and vol buttons .... I've at least got to the stage where I can scavenge most of those codes, and change the STB and VCR at appropriate times (added a small database so that it changes the STB to the most likely channel for the time of day/week)

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jhulst:

johnsu01: can you paste your xorg.conf? At this point, I'm not sure what else to try, I believe you can change the player to something external, someone else might know more about that than I though

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mzb_d800:

but tbh, I'd like to have the mythbox control ALL ;)

[06:48:35]

iamlindoro:

mzb_d800: Yup, me too... and am trying to get more green

[06:48:57]

iamlindoro:

mzb_d800: Would like to wake box with power button and script projector turn on, receiver, etc

[06:49:10]

iamlindoro:

and make myth remember to turn all those off when it goes to sleep

[06:49:34]

mzb_d800:

yep

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johnsu01:

jhulst: http://wjsullivan.net/tmp/xorg.conf

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mzb_d800:

iamlindoro: PREFERRED_CHANNEL="SELECT channel FROM stb_channels WHERE \"$DAY\" BETWEEN daystart AND dayfinish AND cast(\"$TIME\" as time) BETWEEN timestart AND timefinish ORDER BY (dayfinish-daystart) AND (timefinish-timestart) LIMIT 1"

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mzb_d800:

how simple is that? ;)

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iamlindoro:

Oh, I see!

[06:50:56]

iamlindoro:

That is cool

[06:51:07]

iamlindoro:

You emulating your TV's similar function?

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Tanthrix:

This new apple laptop is just insane.

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mzb_d800:

that call is done when you hit the TV button on the Sony remote ... along with changing the VCR to A1 (9 and CH+)

[06:52:04]

Tanthrix:

I really wouldn't mind having one, assuming I could stomach OSX of course ;)

[06:52:18]

iamlindoro:

mzb_d800: Ohh, ok, I didn't realize when you were talking about it yesterday that it was your own doing

[06:52:33]

mzb_d800:

who else's would it be? ;)

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jhulst:

johnsu01: maybe try lowering your resolution (At this point, I'm just shooting in the dark though)

[06:52:59]

iamlindoro:

mzb_d800: Because you put it as something about the TV button on your Sony's remote, I presumed it was some Sony feature

[06:53:07]

mzb_d800:

ah, I see

[06:53:21]

iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: Yeah, if I didn't have a perfectly good Macbook Pro, I'd be jonesing

[06:53:34]

iamlindoro:

mzb_d800: That's very clever, though

[06:53:36]

mzb_d800:

nope ... "powered by mzb" (TM) ... scavenging + pre-emptive ;)

[06:53:39]

mzb_d800:

thanks

[06:54:36]

iamlindoro:

mzb_d800: Saves a lot of time for things you watch religiously, or for your daugthers TV shows

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iamlindoro:

er daughter's

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mzb_d800:

good for the sort of situations where you still have time/day-related watching habits ... and also hate having the STB on the wrong channel when you first turn it on ;)

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mzb_d800:

iamlindoro: yes, exactly

[06:55:06]

iamlindoro:

Saw your country on CNN this morning

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mzb_d800:

shouldn't be too hard to teach her to press a single button, too

[06:55:29]

mzb_d800:

mine? oh ... you mean the north island ;))

[06:56:00]

iamlindoro:

Some kid threw a party while his parents weren't home that involved hundreds of riot police, injuries to officers, etc, and now the police department is going after him for the monetary costs

[06:56:07]

iamlindoro:

and his parents still aren't home

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mzb_d800:

heh ... yeah ... saw that yesterday

[06:56:22]

iamlindoro:

If those had been my parents, I would be anticipating the BEATING OF MY LIFE

[06:56:27]

iamlindoro:

I'd beat his ass too

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mzb_d800:

I reckon they should stay away, and leave the kid with the problem for a year (or so) without contact ;)

[06:56:44]

mzb_d800:

no $, no nothing ;)

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iamlindoro:

And my favorite part is he's out talking to the news, and when they ask what his parents said, he said he doesn't know because he's been hanging up on them any time they call

[06:57:02]

mzb_d800:

they must have seen | heard about it by know

[06:57:11]

mzb_d800:

lol

[06:57:22]

iamlindoro:

If he were my kid he's need police protection at this point

[06:57:25]

iamlindoro:

er he'd

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mzb_d800:

gutless little pr!ck ... I can't imagine there being much pity for him

[06:57:49]

iamlindoro:

No, he looks like the type of little shit all too common here as well

[06:58:14]

iamlindoro:

and (I was a cop) the kind I couldn't stand... entitled little rich punks

[06:58:15]

mzb_d800:

ah ... gutlessness is a global epidemic these days? Shame :|

[06:58:39]

iamlindoro:

I commend the officers, though they were being awfully professional

[06:58:48]

iamlindoro:

er though,

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cafuego:

mzb_d800: He's not gutless, he wears those sunglasses voluntarily..

[06:59:18]

mzb_d800:

heh :)

[06:59:26]

iamlindoro:

cafuego: Hahaha, I see you've seen it ;)

[06:59:33]

iamlindoro:

And the stupid hoodie and no shirt

[06:59:35]

cafuego:

can't escape the bugger :-(

[06:59:39]

mzb_d800:

I only saw the tail end of it

[06:59:53]

cafuego:

It's the reason I don't live in the burbs

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mzb_d800:

where was it?

[07:00:16]

cafuego:

here in town we get sensible junkies

[07:00:19]

iamlindoro:

*sigh* It's still the next stop on my slowly-but-surely world tour

[07:00:24]

mzb_d800:

heh ... and beggars ;)

[07:00:28]

iamlindoro:

Queensland I think?

[07:00:33]

mzb_d800:

ah

[07:00:38]

mzb_d800:

banana benders

[07:00:39]

cafuego:

mzb_d800: northern suburbs melbourne i thought

[07:00:44]

cafuego:

parents were in qld

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: can you use lirc to control any device by manually adding commands or capturing them from the remote?

[07:00:49]

iamlindoro:

oh.. hmm, you may be right, I go check

[07:00:55]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Yep

[07:00:59]

mzb_d800:

oh dear .... that's a bit close to home

[07:01:25]

mzb_d800:

only a matter of time before behaviour like that jumps Bass Strait!

[07:01:25]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: neat

[07:01:39]

cafuego:

mzb_d800: We're actively shipping it down there right now!

[07:01:42]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: can you do the same with remotes?

[07:01:55]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: What do you mean?

[07:02:16]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: say if you have a remote you want to use with it

[07:02:20]

iamlindoro:

Melbourne it is

[07:02:37]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Oh, I see what you mean. Yes.

[07:02:44]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: neat

[07:02:45]

mzb_d800:

cafuego: sigh ... the bikies don't seem to be pulling enough weight

[07:02:47]

mzb_d800:

;)

[07:02:58]

cafuego:

they all ran off to perth, didn't they?

[07:03:21]

iamlindoro:

I used to have a friend from Perth... is the Male/Female ratio still the same?

[07:03:41]

** cafuego hasn't been there in years. **

[07:04:48]

iamlindoro:

I recall him telling me that it was heavily weighted in favor of one of the sexes... but can't remember which :)

[07:05:26]

jhulst:

johnsu01: I'm off to bed, sorry I couldn't be more help

[07:05:27]

cafuego:

male prolly, what with all the mining.

[07:06:00]

iamlindoro:

hmmm, looking at a recent census, looks like it's no longer the case, just about 1:1

[07:06:05]

johnsu01:

jhulst: thanks, I appreciate it, I am too :)

[07:06:15]

johnsu01:

jhulst: seriously considering just buying a new video card ;)

[07:06:29]

iamlindoro:

nVidia would be a huge help

[07:06:30]

jhulst:

johnsu01: My thoughts exactly :)

[07:06:30]

mzb_d800:

iamlindoro: yeah, they've probably been breeding ;)

[07:06:42]

jhulst:

yes, nvidia would make life much easier

[07:06:54]

jhulst:

good night all

[07:06:55]

cafuego:

I'm sure 5200s are cheaper then 80GB harddisks these days

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iamlindoro:

I saw one for $30 the other day

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mzb_d800:

much better system operating in Tas ... if you've got talent you get out (hence why I'm still here;) ... keeps population growth at 0 percent

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mzb_d800:

(and stupid;)

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cafuego:

liar

[07:09:12]

cafuego:

you're just saying that to make it nice & quiet

[07:09:58]

iamlindoro:

Just you and the inbred, face-tumory tasmanian devils, huh?

[07:10:16]

iamlindoro:

(Or are they just "Devils" there?)

[07:10:21]

mzb_d800:

yep

[07:11:11]

iamlindoro:

Amazing the bizarre dribs and drabs you can pick up about other countries from CNN :)

[07:11:12]

mzb_d800:

cafuego: s/make it/keep it/ ;)) (got to scare 'em off;)

[07:12:37]

cafuego:

iamlindoro: They got that right, Tassie *is* a different country ;-)

[07:13:01]

iamlindoro:

anyway, off to bed, night... let me know if you figure out your IR issue! I plan to try to tackle it again this weekend

[07:13:10]

** cafuego wrestles the data and wins! **

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

ok

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cafuego:

gnight/bedbugs/bite/etc

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iamlindoro:

I really do think the problem is more in the recording than the emitting

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iamlindoro:

noted, thanks ;)

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mzb_d800:

iamlindoro: yes, I think so

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CCFL_Man2:

this samsung atsc/qam stb is slow when tuning channels if there is no signal

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mzb_d800:

is it likely that a USB/serial converter will work on Linux if it states that it works on Mac? (8.5|8.6)

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CCFL_Man2:

mzb_d800: yes, but not with lirc

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mzb_d800:

no, it's for an EeePC and a TinyTrack GPS ;) (I'll probably get the old one which requires a patch for the USB IDs)

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mzb_d800:

(not for lirc)

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tjcarter:

eeepc is teh suck

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tjcarter:

halfpint keyboard

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tjcarter:

even more silly screen

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Tanthrix:

That's like saying a minivan sucks since it can't off road or handle 5ft of snow. Different uses merit different solutions, and many people like having a Damned Small computer to take around with them.

[08:08:48]

Tanthrix:

I played around with a friend's he picked up recently – if it were $200 cheaper I'd say it's great as a little computer to have around for wifi's sake.

[08:10:55]

mzb_d800:

great for Dad ... he and mum drive a bit (ie. months at a time) and needed a) something for wifi hotspots and b) something to store their camera pics on .... he originally wanted a laptop with a DVD burner ... I suggested an EeePC + USB HDD for two reasons: 1) much smaller. 2) parts (inc wifi router for home) was about the same price as a laptop (without extras)

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mzb_d800:

s/parts/inc parts/

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mzb_d800:

iamlindoro: hopefully you have your logging enabled: solution is to copy SONY12.conf to /etc/lirc/SONY12 (for eg), then run # cd /etc/lirc && irrecord SONY12

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mzb_d800:

result is then in SONY12.conf

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mzb_d800:

iamlindoro: YAY! ... irsend working perfectly too

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mzb_d800:

now it's time to finish off new tables I'm working on: my_IR_remotes , my_IR_receivers (still an idea in progress)

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tjcarter:

Tanthrix: no, it's like saying that a car with manual steering and no AC in Arizona sucks because you'll die of heat exhaustion trying to drive the damned thing

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Tanthrix:

...uh, ok. If you say so. ;)

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opentrinity:

i have created symlink to folder with video for mythweb, then i copy another file in the directory but mytweb doesn't refresh file list....why? (with mytfrontend i see correctly that new file)

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directhex:

tjcarter, used an eee?

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tjcarter:

directhex: tried

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tjcarter:

directhex: fingers in knots and I couldn't actually see the screen ;)

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tjcarter:

IN TEXT MODE!

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tjcarter:

Sad sad sad ;)

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tjcarter:

At 3.5x the price, the new Apple thing is spendy, but I can actually use it.

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tjcarter:

and at 3lb, I can carry it.

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tjcarter:

It's not a desktop, but then the eee isn't either

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opentrinity:

an other thing ...i can only download my avi files but don't watch in my browser :-/

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justinh:

not really safe for work, and slightly bad taste but hey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=friS4OOcdgQ

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opentrinity:

justinh: why i can download my avi files from mythweb but i can't watch in streaming?

[09:07:00]

mchou:

anyone happen to have experience here with gtalk voice over "jabbin"?

[09:07:49]

mchou:

just want to find a linux jabber client that works reliably with gtalk voice

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opentrinity:

any suggestion for my problem?

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purserj:

mchou: completely off topic but pidgin seems to be good

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mchou:

purserj: does pidgin work for gtalk voice? I did some reading on forums and it looks like massive patching was necessary.....

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mchou:

purserj: i.e. patching was necessary for voice

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purserj:

oh voice, I don't think there is an off the shelf linux client for voice

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mchou:

'jabbin"

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mchou:

that's of the shelf

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mchou:

I dont know how well it works though

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purserj:

never heard of it

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

http://www.jabbin.com/int/

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mchou:

purserj: wanna be my partner in crime and try it out?

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directhex|bsp:

mchou, pidgin won't have any voice/video capabilities until someone makes the main library not be a big smelly pile of poop

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purserj:

unfortunately I can't right now, trying to debug a build problem with a jabber server

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mchou:

I tried to connect with someone (who was using adium on mac), but it didnt work (I dont know jack about macs)

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opentrinity:

...finally...i found...flash isn't able to send authentication....with vlc all works fine

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mchou:

does adium support gtalk voice out of the box?

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mchou:

sigh. Wish gtalk voice implemented an echo server for testing out the damn client

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justinh:

opentrinity: mythweb won't/can't stream videos from mythvideo AFAIK. that's only as far as I know. never tried to make it

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directhex|bsp:

nafaik

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tjcarter:

Okay, we need a new version of Pearody ;)

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justinh:

tjcarter: why?

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justinh:

there's a 4:3 version now even

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tjcarter:

justinh: because the thing it's a parody of is now updated =D

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justinh:

AppleTV – now with added _point_ :P

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tjcarter:

haha

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tjcarter:

yeah pretty much

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justinh:

I want one of them new macbooks. I don't even have a laptop but I want one of them

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tjcarter:

Although the thing would make a great Myth Frontend if you can use its hardware playback

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tjcarter:

justinh: #MacOSX is whining about them

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justinh:

that's a big 'if'

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justinh:

tjcarter: oh I'd not even stopped to consider if the new macbook thing is any good. I just want one!

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tjcarter:

they wanted 3GHz C2D, 4GB, 128GB SSD, FW800, 2x USB2, wireless USB, bluetooth 2, bluray, and $2000 pricetag.

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justinh:

UWB isn't even dry on the paper yet, is it?

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tjcarter:

They still want it.

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justinh:

aww bless

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tjcarter:

oh, left out wimax

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justinh:

is there a catch with it – like it weighs 30kg? :P

[10:08:00]

tjcarter:

no, 3lb

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tjcarter:

it's just US$1800

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justinh:

haven't even looked at the spec tbh

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tjcarter:

which compared with any other 3lb ultraportable is pretty damned reasonable, but in terms of their own MacBook at 5lb, it's not bad.

[10:08:54]

tjcarter:

but it's not good either.

[10:09:03]

justinh:

I still want one

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justinh:

they have a knack of making things people desire, whether they're great or not. I'm starting to crack

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tjcarter:

hehe

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mchou:

how much does that macbook actually weigh?

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mchou:

3# or 5#?

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tjcarter:

5

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tjcarter:

the MacBook Air is 3

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mchou:

bah, I dont know about you guys, but I'm getting one of these:

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mchou:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:/ . . . 3DN&um=1

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mchou:

more useful than the MacBook Air :)

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tjcarter:

"How did we fit a Mac in here?" they went with a baby HD, they moved the ethernet outsite the box, and they used a sub-2GHz processor. Oh, and the battery is internal.

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directhex|bsp:

the cpu is impressive

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directhex|bsp:

nobody else is offering those clock speeds on that weight

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tjcarter:

that's true

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directhex|bsp:

the 4200rpm disk will suck a big one though

[10:19:09]

tjcarter:

but the fanboys are whining that it's too slow, too expensive, etc

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directhex|bsp:

the fanboys can kiss my wookie

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tjcarter:

it's cheaper and faster than competitors ;)

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directhex|bsp:

it's an interesting product

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directhex|bsp:

not sure how they plan on powering an optical drive though usb though

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tjcarter:

I don't know that they do

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tjcarter:

I think it'll use a brick on a rope

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mchou:

lol

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directhex|bsp:

well, it's nice-looking, and the first macbook i'd seriously consider

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tjcarter:

personally I'll never buy that external drive

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directhex|bsp:

but for work, an eee is better pour moi

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mchou:

well, lot's ppl complaining about the battery

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tjcarter:

oh, it IS USB powered

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directhex|bsp:

burn laser on <500mA?

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directhex|bsp:

every external drive i've seen has needed 2 usb plugs, or a custom connector, or a brick

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justinh:

wow. I take back everything I've ever said about mytharchive. just started archiving some video on a unit we OEM for a big company. ouch. I've seen worse UIs but I can't remember where

[10:23:05]

mchou:

it's not the laser that's the power drain. it's the damn motor

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, the ministry of justice in turkmenistan?

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tjcarter:

directhex|bsp: I suspect they supply more power to the USB port than they are required by spec

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tjcarter:

that battery is most of the AirBook

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mchou:

nope. Kazakhstan

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mchou:

sigh....

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mchou:

an external battery would had made more sense

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tjcarter:

justinh: I can't remember seeing worse ;)

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justinh:

tjcarter: oh you should try to navigate around this (unnamed product) UI

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mchou:

I dunno how apple missed that additional marketing opportunity

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mchou:

sell more batteries :)

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justinh:

make batteries user replacable? what are you – mad? ;)

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mchou:

justinh: no, just for those long flights

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justinh:

heh

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directhex|bsp:

user-replacable batteries mean getting sued by your customers when their 3rd party batteries explode!

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directhex|bsp:

mchou, fly with an airline who gives you per-seat plug sockets!

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justinh:

just thought of something though. the macbook air is all very nice & all, but will it blend?

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, probably. the iphone does

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mchou:

directhex|bsp: what's the point of that? A 3# notebook with a brick??

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directhex|bsp:

mchou, unless it's got xbox 360 proportions, the brick is probably lighter than the weight difference between the laptop and, say, a regular macbook

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directhex|bsp:

not to mention you'll need to charge up *sometime*, unless you were planing on filling a suitcase with batteries

[10:30:17]

directhex|bsp:

at which point, erm, bring a brick!

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tjcarter:

directhex|bsp: it uses a 45 watt brick

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mchou:

no way!

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directhex|bsp:

tjcarter, will THAT blend?

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mchou:

45 W??

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directhex|bsp:

mchou, sounds about right

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tjcarter:

directhex|bsp: if that guy blends an AirBook, we'll have to hunt him down.

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tjcarter:

You couldn't make the battery user-replacable

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tjcarter:

the thing would crush like a soda can if you did.

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justinh:

blimmin big blender container would be needed

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tjcarter:

MOST of the thing is a battery

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directhex|bsp:

what do we reckon, have they squeezed a 10W 1.6ghz c2d out of intel?

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mzb_d800:

is it certain that any given remote going to give the same codes on every receiver? (not including chip|software filtering, etc)

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mchou:

tjcarter: you've seen the internals?

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: hey Intel, wanna sell more chips?

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tjcarter:

mchou: yeah, it was part of the demo

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directhex|bsp:

current 10W low-voltage chips are 65nm, so i can imagine it's possible

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mzb_d800:

s/going/is going/

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, they couldn't get anything usable out of ibm, so that argument doesn't always work

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justinh:

mzb_d800: any given remote only sends out given codes

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: it's always been up to the company whether they want to be lured by the carrot or not ;)

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directhex|bsp:

let's see, 45W, 45W.....

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mzb_d800:

justinh: yes, but are all (unrestricted) receivers going to see the same thing?

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justinh:

mzb_d800: some remote receivers can only work with one code set because of the way their micro is programmified

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directhex|bsp:

say 10W for the cpu, <8W for the memory

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mzb_d800:

I'm mostly talking about serial receivers, rather than embedded

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justinh:

mzb_d800: in theory a homebrew lirc serial receiver would see the same codes as another homebrew lirc serial receiver

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directhex|bsp:

screen is LED backlit, 1.8" drive...

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tjcarter:

mchou: basically the thick part of the MBA contains the board with a big notch cut out for the 1.8" drive

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directhex|bsp:

45W seems perfectly reasonable

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mchou:

hmmm

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tjcarter:

basically leaving just a run to the power connector

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mzb_d800:

justinh: yes, that makes sense ... "in theory" ... I just wonder if anyone has experience of problems with that ...

[10:38:13]

tjcarter:

the whole fron end from I'd say the middle of the zxcvb row to the front of the machine under the trackpad is a battery

[10:38:14]

mchou:

mzb_d800: why you so concerned?

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tjcarter:

the WHOLE THING. =D

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justinh:

mzb_d800: ultimately that's down to whether your version of lirc is worky properly or not. I've had problems with irrecord more than once

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tjcarter:

How do you make that replacable?

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tjcarter:

That's how they got 5 hours out of it

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mzb_d800:

I'm having problems with lircd.conf and .lircrc becoming unmanageable, so I'm designing a database setup to cater for rooms, receivers, remotes and actions (and possibly modes)

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tjcarter:

Just like the iPhone is mostly battery

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tjcarter:

same with this lappy

[10:39:18]

tjcarter:

It's basically a crappy laptop if you want something to replace a desktop

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mzb_d800:

justinh: I've got lirc working nicely ... a few little setup tricks make it nice to use

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mchou:

tjcarter: they should have built n the crank like OLPC :)

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mchou:

in*

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mchou:

no brick needed :)

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mzb_d800:

eg: use one instance of lircd that runs off driver=udp and connects to slaves (this is the one that mythtv connects to)

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directhex|bsp:

nobody else has chips like the macbook air yet, it's about 50% faster than a comparable subnote

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mzb_d800:

then startup an lircd for each receiver

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tjcarter:

if what you want is Office + iLife, you're covered

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mzb_d800:

means that you can restart/reset individual lircd's without restarting the frontend

[10:40:52]

tjcarter:

and it'll run similar apps under Parallels, though not spectacularly fast

[10:41:05]

mchou:

directhex|bsp: why would you need that much CPU power in a lappy?

[10:41:08]

tjcarter:

(Or VMWare if you prefer a little more maturity over the integration)

[10:41:16]

mzb_d800:

but lircrc and lircd.conf (I use a different system already) are HUGE and hard to manage

[10:41:18]

directhex|bsp:

mchou, for surfing the web, duh!

[10:41:26]

directhex|bsp:

mchou, flash animations like cpu power :(

[10:41:36]

mchou:

screw that

[10:41:39]

tjcarter:

The thing plays back h.264 in hardware, so what do you need?

[10:41:47]

tjcarter:

1.6GHz C2D is plenty fast enough.

[10:41:50]

mchou:

I can surf the web with any lowly CPU

[10:41:59]

** tjcarter gives mchou a 386 **

[10:42:08]

justinh:

makes me smile when I hear stuff about multiroom setups. I value my TV & like to sit in _my_ chair in front of the best screen in the house, with the best sound system in the house. the shows I like to watch are too worthy to be background material in the kitchen

[10:42:17]

directhex|bsp:

tjcarter, "in hardware"? i didn't think intel gma did h264 acceleration

[10:42:20]

mzb_d800:

mchou: so the reason I'm concerned is I want to know if I need to add extra columns (or tables) to cater for differences between capabilities in receivers

[10:42:46]

tjcarter:

directhex|bsp: It does about half the work in hardware.

[10:42:54]

mchou:

mzb_d800: you crazy

[10:42:59]

mzb_d800:

:)

[10:43:03]

justinh:

directhex|bsp: flash animations do like cpu power. yet another reason why flash is evil IMHO.

[10:43:07]

tjcarter:

directhex|bsp: consider that the AppleTV has a crappy little Dothan

[10:43:17]

tjcarter:

and it'll play back 1080 content

[10:43:18]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, i agree. everyone should move to microsoft silverlight!

[10:43:22]

mchou:

mzb_d800: if you need to store lircd settings in a DB you've gotten way out of hand

[10:43:23]

mzb_d800:

keeping in mind that my current aim is to reduce 4–5 remotes in the loungeroom to ONE

[10:43:32]

directhex|bsp:

tjcarter, dothan's not crappy, it's just misunderstood!

[10:43:38]

justinh:

mzb_d800: get a universal remote then

[10:43:40]

tjcarter:

Dothan's crappy.

[10:43:50]

mzb_d800:

and that each remote is PERSONAL, rather than ROOM related

[10:43:51]

tjcarter:

I would rather put AppleTVOS on a Mini

[10:44:00]

tjcarter:

and hack it for DVD support ;)

[10:44:09]

justinh:

mzb_d800: sounds like you could be a closet linuxmce user

[10:44:12]

mzb_d800:

justinh: I have a computer that can do a better job .... why bother?

[10:44:19]

tjcarter:

also DVD ripping, MythTV playback, etc ;)

[10:44:23]

mzb_d800:

justinh: no ;)

[10:44:50]

tjcarter:

IMO the MCE remote has too damned many buttons

[10:44:58]

Puhi:

multirec is so nice, not a single conflict since

[10:45:29]

tjcarter:

Now I don't think SIX is quite sane (oh it's cute, but some accellerators would be nice), but 40+ is pushing the bounds of sanity.

[10:45:33]

mzb_d800:

here's a taste of what I've got running atm:

[10:45:36]

mzb_d800:

PREFERRED_CHANNEL="SELECT channel FROM stb_channels WHERE \"$DAY\" BETWEEN daystart AND dayfinish AND cast(\"$TIME\" as time) BETWEEN timestart AND timefinish ORDER BY (dayfinish-daystart) AND (timefinish-timestart) LIMIT 1"

[10:45:55]

tjcarter:

Arguably, the TiVo has too many buttons

[10:46:05]

mzb_d800:

that get's run when I hit TV on the receiver remote (ie. going away from mythtv)

[10:46:05]

mchou:

mzb_d800: wtf

[10:46:07]

justinh:

mzb_d800: problem with using a computer to do remote functions is that it has to be on all the time. then again I only ever switch my backend off when I want to clean its innards so maybe I could do something with that

[10:46:33]

mzb_d800:

justinh: this is a frontend (lounge room ... under the floor)

[10:47:12]

mzb_d800:

which also displays in the garage

[10:47:36]

mzb_d800:

hence two receivers, 4–5 remotes in lounge, another 1 in the garage ... etc

[10:47:53]

tjcarter:

I think I would make a few changes if I were redesigning Myth's UI

[10:48:18]

mzb_d800:

it'd be nice if some of the remotes were able to travel

[10:48:23]

tjcarter:

Niftily enough, I think much of what I have in mind should be possible with current plans for .22

[10:48:36]

mzb_d800:

(I might end up getting some keyring remotes)

[10:50:05]

justinh:

tjcarter: none of that gyro mouse remote crap around here please

[10:50:12]

tjcarter:

justinh: no.

[10:50:12]

mzb_d800:

right, so the bottom line is that nobody can say that different receivers wouldn't give slightly different codes for the same remote (given that the world is not perfect .. or perfectly round;)

[10:50:17]

tjcarter:

justinh: pure remote control

[10:50:33]

tjcarter:

justinh: but stealing some ideas from my sa3250hd and other DVRs

[10:50:38]

justinh:

mzb_d800: they shouldn't. you should be fine

[10:50:38]

mzb_d800:

so I'll add allowance for that, even if it is redundant (jic)

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[10:51:12]

mzb_d800:

I agree ... just makes me paranoid ... and the tables are pretty tight (I like to use indexes, rather than text strings;)

[10:51:14]

tjcarter:

justinh: for one, the schedule recordings menu ... I wouldn't have such a thing.

[10:51:35]

mzb_d800:

so the "waste" will be minimal

[10:51:46]

justinh:

tjcarter: you don't need .22 to be on the way to make that happen. submit your own menu theme

[10:52:26]

tjcarter:

you'd basically go into the program guide, that's it. At the bottom of the screen, buttons on the remote with redefinable functions (a, b, c with shapes/colors if you can get it), will take you to different ways to schedule recordings

[10:52:51]

tjcarter:

so if you press the a button, you might go into the program finder

[10:53:31]

justinh:

you can already do that

[10:53:53]

justinh:

no need to waste space putting another key onscreen

[10:54:04]

tjcarter:

b button might take you to lists (which would probably be good to include search words)

[10:54:14]

tjcarter:

c button maybe manual schedule

[10:54:16]

justinh:

you can already do that too

[10:54:25]

justinh:

jumppoints to the rescue!

[10:54:30]

tjcarter:

Custom record is interesting, but I don't know how to pull that off.

[10:54:44]

tjcarter:

but the idea is that a/b/c buttons are context-dependent

[10:54:45]

justinh:

button d

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[10:54:52]

tjcarter:

works

[10:54:59]

tjcarter:

the remotes I'm thinking of do have four such buttons

[10:55:06]

tjcarter:

so using an existing remote would be fine

[10:55:21]

justinh:

no more contextual buttons though. users have enough trouble remembering they can press info & menu

[10:55:31]

mzb_d800:

keep in mind that with lirc you can include multiple config entries for each button ... which become "toggles" or "sequential actions" ... isn't that related to what you want tjcarter ?

[10:55:42]

tjcarter:

oh no, these would be labeled on the screen

[10:55:43]

tjcarter:

have to be.

[10:55:48]

mzb_d800:

ah

[10:55:52]

justinh:

labelling things onscreen is a waste of space

[10:56:02]

tjcarter:

one line of text at the very bottom

[10:56:09]

justinh:

if it's not intuitive enough that it doesn't need an onscreen key to work it's a waste

[10:56:21]

tjcarter:

4:3 you could fit 4 buttons pretty easily

[10:56:29]

justinh:

tjcarter: in the UI, one line is a lot of space

[10:56:32]

tjcarter:

particularly if the captions are colored dots

[10:56:50]

tjcarter:

Not in my themes it isn't

[10:56:52]

justinh:

tjcarter: and how many remotes have coloured dots? not all of them.

[10:56:55]

tjcarter:

I'm using glass at the moment

[10:57:29]

justinh:

tjcarter: yeah but by the time you've taken into account overscan safe areas.. and the fact some people want a million lines of description text...

[10:57:43]

tjcarter:

justinh: well the current option with 45 button remotes still exists

[10:57:46]

justinh:

there's already not enough space

[10:57:51]

tjcarter:

I'm aiming for substantially less.

[10:57:56]

tjcarter:

I'm using glass

[10:57:59]

tjcarter:

mostly empty space

[10:58:30]

justinh:

it's not mostly empty space. I should fecking know

[11:00:17]

tjcarter:

http://yumi.bluecherry.net/~tjcarter/MythGuide.png

[11:00:34]

tjcarter:

There's certainly room for one line at the bottom

[11:00:58]

tjcarter:

That's possibly the result of my 16:10 aspect though

[11:01:03]

justinh:

and if I were to make the description part of the EPG 2 lines I'd get moaned at from users of certain guide grabbers. make it any bigger & people whose EPG provider only gives them 2 lines worth will moan it's blank space

[11:01:20]

tjcarter:

Though AFAIK, Myth tends to treat 16:9 and 16:10 identically

[11:01:54]

justinh:

eew I hate that fill method :)

[11:02:09]

tjcarter:

Then fix Qt? ;)

[11:02:34]

tjcarter:

Actually, I have a new version of Qt now, I should see if the fill method is still broken.

[11:02:40]

justinh:

tjcarter: that space under the guide grid used to have the (4) guide (6) program finder text. I got rid of it – so yeah maybe...

[11:03:14]

tjcarter:

Oh yay, it is fixed

[11:03:36]

justinh:

and I can see that you don't seem to need anywhere near as much room for the description field

[11:03:43]

tjcarter:

justinh: that's the exact sort of space I was thinking to use for colored buttons

[11:03:49]

tjcarter:

and you're right, it could be numbers instead

[11:04:02]

justinh:

numbers would be more friendly

[11:04:06]

tjcarter:

though I imagine people might want numbers for jumping around in guide

[11:04:24]

justinh:

or (eek!) another menu you could bring up onscreen

[11:04:29]

tjcarter:

Well, keep in mind the discussion is how to make Myth more friendly with a remote that doesn't have 40+ buttons on it ; )

[11:04:35]

justinh:

for those with not many remote buttons :)

[11:04:50]

zkx:

anyone here know how multirec works, i have multirec and recordings still seem to "conflict" and the other one doesn't get recorded, i know they're in the same multiplex... but for some reason it doesn't work

[11:04:51]

tjcarter:

I don't want many remote buttons

[11:04:56]

justinh:

tjcarter: consider the mac remotes too. that's why myth has 'arrow key accelerators'

[11:04:57]

tjcarter:

I want more than six, apple!

[11:05:01]

tjcarter:

but still =D

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[11:06:37]

zkx:

i somewhat suspect it has something to do with mythweb or some faulty stuff in the database, i know that all my chans have networkid of 0, or null.... maybe something else might be messed up that messes up multirec

[11:06:45]

tjcarter:

I imagine that the arrows-center + maybe a few other buttons to toggle certain things (TiVo style) and possibly use of some context buttons (SA3250HD style) and ... I'm not sure how to deal with Myth treating all media types differently

[11:06:57]

tjcarter:

it's a byproduct of the plugin architecture

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[11:07:21]

tjcarter:

I only use it for recordings, so it's not a big deal for me, but it's a problem I have to solve

[11:07:36]

tjcarter:

And W00T! Alpha fill style works again with Qt 3.8

[11:07:44]

tjcarter:

3.6 was borked

[11:08:45]

** tjcarter waits for MythFrontend to decide to either exit or hang **

[11:08:50]

tjcarter:

looks like it's gonna hang

[11:09:09]

** tjcarter shoots it in the head **

[11:10:01]

tjcarter:

99 little bugs in Qt, 99 bugs in Qt! Fix one bug, compile again, 101 little bugs in Qt!

[11:11:09]

tjcarter:

another reason why .22 will be moar bettar

[11:12:25]

tjcarter:

Although, if the upnp thing also happens to a significant degree by then, it could also be that by .22, we won't be using MythFrontend on a Mac.

[11:13:41]

tjcarter:

If we can reasonably do what MythFrontend does using upnp and some recognizable extension for handling things like scheduling and cutlists and whatnot, I hope to have a native Cocoa thing..

[11:14:33]

tjcarter:

Probably using something that looks like an iTunes browser, play in the main window or fullscreen

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mzb_d800:

re: unmanageable lircrc ->

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mzb_d800:

egrep -v "^$|^#" /home/mythtv/.lircrc | wc -l

[11:16:36]

mzb_d800:

1972

[11:16:53]

mzb_d800:

(and more to come)

[11:19:13]

mzb_d800:

hence database management (in the hope that it will be easier to make wholesale changes when required)

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mzb_d800:

further to my questions (etc) above ... is there a reason why mythtv can't control lirc settings (with database settings for remotes?)

[11:49:30]

mzb_d800:

(apart from the effort involved, etc)

[11:49:38]

GreyFoxx:

nope

[11:49:55]

GreyFoxx:

It's been discussed

[11:50:20]

GreyFoxx:

but there is no reason the mappings couldn't be in the DB just like keymaps

[11:52:25]

mzb_d800:

ok

[11:52:30]

mzb_d800:

thanks GreyFoxx

[11:52:57]

mzb_d800:

if I get something that's seems to work well, what info would you like?

[11:53:25]

mzb_d800:

I'm not able to give you an "all in one" solution, including a gui

[11:53:57]

mzb_d800:

I will be using phpmyadmin and scripts to administer what I develop

[11:55:56]

mzb_d800:

so are (some) scripts and database structure enough to help someone who knows better?

[11:56:51]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: it turns out the questions I asked you the other day regarding voip were the result of a faulty outbound proxy

[11:57:12]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: for a while I was pulling my hair out for nothing :)

[11:57:43]

GreyFoxx:

mzb: really the GUI is the hardpart

[11:57:52]

GreyFoxx:

the existing "keybindings" table could hold the info

[11:57:53]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: thanks for keeping my sanity

[11:57:54]

mzb_d800:

way beyond me (atm)

[11:57:54]

siXy:

mzb_d800: you won't need a vastly complex database structure for keymaps. its the GUI thats the annoying bit

[11:58:04]

mzb_d800:

it's more than keymaps

[11:58:18]

mzb_d800:

I'll pastebin a rough note for you to get an idea

[11:58:20]

mzb_d800:

hang on

[11:59:03]

mzb_d800:

http://openpaste.org/en/4700/

[11:59:14]

mchou:

siXy: how is the GUI the annoying bit?

[12:00:01]

siXy:

mchou: because it takes (me) much longer to write that part

[12:00:27]

mzb_d800:

I figure if I get something that works, the devs can either use it (or not) ... and that someone else can do a gui for it (if required)

[12:00:51]

mzb_d800:

gui stuff is way out of my comfort zone

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mchou:

mzb_d800: doubtful. Nobody else seems to think this is a musch needed feature

[12:01:41]

mchou:

much*

[12:01:45]

mzb_d800:

fair enough

[12:02:11]

siXy:

mzb_d800: the only issue I see with that, is that you are then going to need to re-write parts of lirc to, to use a mysql database, which lirc on its own doesn't need. so you would end up having to fork lirc, which seems a little silly

[12:02:52]

mchou:

siXy: why would he need to do that?

[12:03:17]

mchou:

lirc is complicated enouch without mysql junk

[12:03:23]

mzb_d800:

siXy: no I dont ... I just run a script to generate a config file from the database before each lircd daemon is brought up, and another script to generate the lircrc before mythtv starts

[12:03:23]

siXy:

mchou: because from his paste it looks like he wants to put /etc/lirc.conf into the database too

[12:03:27]

mchou:

enough*

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mzb_d800:

dynamic changes are out of scope (for the reason you just mentioned)

[12:04:14]

mzb_d800:

# ps ax | grep lirc

[12:04:14]

mzb_d800:

15590 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/local/sbin/lircd --driver=udp --output=/dev/lircd --pidfile=/var/run/lircd.pid --connect=localhost 8700 --connect=localhost 8701

[12:04:14]

mzb_d800:

15627 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/local/sbin/lircd --driver=default --device=/dev/lirc0 --output=/dev/lircd0 --pidfile=/var/run/lircd0.pid --listen=8700 /tmp/tmp.uAKSv15620

[12:04:14]

mzb_d800:

15637 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/local/sbin/lircd --driver=devinput --device=/dev/input/dvbremote --output=/dev/lircd1 --pidfile=/var/run/lircd1.pid --listen=8701 /tmp/tmp.UOFBK15634

[12:04:28]

siXy:

hmm. generating a config file before lirc starts has issues too, you will need to be able to tightly control startup order

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[12:05:03]

mzb_d800:

http://openpaste.org/en/4701/

[12:05:22]

justinh:

personally I'd just have local lirc receivers, one per frontend. no need to tie it all in. just seems like too much work for little advantage to me.

[12:06:05]

siXy:

i agree with justinh

[12:06:26]

siXy:

now if you found a way to use the input layer instead of lirc, that would be nice, or a way to speed up lirc

[12:06:34]

mzb_d800:

http://openpaste.org/en/4702/

[12:06:39]

justinh:

I'm not big on the whole HA thing though, so take that into account too :)

[12:07:56]

mzb_d800:

http://openpaste.org/en/4703/

[12:08:25]

justinh:

only makes me laugh when I see those HA sites where somebody has a 'node 0' where all the playback gear is, then they switch & distribute it around the house when a frontend per room would make more sense to my mind

[12:08:31]

mzb_d800:

# wc -l /etc/lirc/lircd.conf

[12:08:31]

mzb_d800:

0 /etc/lirc/lircd.conf

[12:09:00]

siXy:

mzb_d800: but there you are starting lirc, killing again then restarting. messy.

[12:09:09]

mzb_d800:

no

[12:09:17]

mzb_d800:

starting the main daemon

[12:09:22]

siXy:

i guess you could manually start it via your script...

[12:09:28]

mzb_d800:

which listens on udp

[12:09:52]

mzb_d800:

and then starting two daemons (one for each physical receiver)

[12:10:30]

justinh:

so why's the database needed again?

[12:10:44]

mzb_d800:

egrep -v "^$|^#" /home/mythtv/.lircrc | wc -l

[12:10:47]

mzb_d800:

1972

[12:10:57]

mzb_d800:

too hard to maintain

[12:11:14]

justinh:

what's to maintain? set it & forget it not count for anything?

[12:11:36]

siXy:

hmm, i don't see how would make it any easier to 'maintain' by putting it into the myth UI

[12:11:43]

mzb_d800:

because I've just got transmit working for the final device (Sony Receiver)

[12:12:02]

mzb_d800:

and my needs will change with the weather

[12:12:19]

justinh:

doesn't seem like a bad idea but working around so many things like this seems kludgy. must be something better suited to the job

[12:12:25]

siXy:

"my needs will change with the weather"< huh? you use a different remote if its rainy?

[12:12:45]

mzb_d800:

using this as an example:

[12:12:50]

mzb_d800:

PREFERRED_CHANNEL="SELECT channel FROM stb_channels WHERE \"$DAY\" BETWEEN daystart AND dayfinish AND cast(\"$TIME\" as time) BETWEEN timestart AND timefinish ORDER BY (dayfinish-daystart) AND (timefinish-timestart) LIMIT 1"

[12:12:59]

siXy:

personally i would write a small external program to config the remote, rather than trying to splice it into myth

[12:13:22]

siXy:

if i wanted such a thing, anyway

[12:13:25]

mzb_d800:

I think you've misunderstood my motivation and what I've said

[12:13:43]

siXy:

entirely possible

[12:13:48]

mzb_d800:

I'm not saying that mythtv needs this

[12:13:56]

mzb_d800:

nor that it needs to be in the gui

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mzb_d800:

I'm just saying that for something that is (potentially) complex, wouldn't it be a nice idea to consider integrating it into the database (in the future)

[12:14:40]

justinh:

fwiw I'd sooner see multi-usery-ness in mythfrontend :)

[12:15:08]

justinh:

no wife, you're not allowed to schedule more ITV recordings until you watch some already

[12:15:20]

siXy:

heh :)

[12:15:32]

justinh:

that thread on -users was funny

[12:15:37]

siXy:

i can see that one lasting a few seconds at most in my house

[12:15:44]

mzb_d800:

I'm going to be able to "emulate" that with my "IR remote" database setup

[12:15:47]

siXy:

linky?

[12:15:54]

justinh:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/310217

[12:17:20]

mzb_d800:

eg: OSD alert "Sorry Emily, I'm too busy recording for you to watch MythTV .. come back later!" (5 second timeout and the loungetv changes over to STB;)

[12:17:33]

mzb_d800:

(Emily will be house-sitting while we are away)

[12:17:57]

siXy:

lol yeah that is pretty good :)

[12:19:15]

mzb_d800:

heh .. yeah ;)

[12:19:27]

jarle:

I have set the channels to be sorted by channel number (and it also works this way in the program guide), however when I scroll channels in live TV using arrow up/down, it seems like the channels are sorted in alphabetical order, this is not the way it is supposed to work, is it?

[12:20:02]

mzb_d800:

actually, I wouldn't mind a "how much space I *could* have if I deleted auto-expire-enabled shows..." ... you get the idea? ;)

[12:20:26]

mzb_d800:

that would make warnings much easier to determine

[12:20:26]

justinh:

users shouldn't have to care about disk space

[12:20:50]

justinh:

if they're greedy & want to record & keep everything then they'll learn the hard way

[12:20:55]

mzb_d800:

hmm ... then don't allow them to set "disable auto expire" ;)

[12:21:11]

justinh:

another good call for multi-user

[12:21:14]

mzb_d800:

(which implies either moving that into admin w/ PIN, or multiuser ;)

[12:21:15]

mzb_d800:

yep ;)

[12:21:48]

justinh:

man there's so much I want to see done. so much I could work on. so little time

[12:22:01]

siXy:

its a pity you cannot have dynamic elements in themes, or it would be easy to make a piechart, coloured light or percentage bar to indicate remaining space

[12:22:23]

justinh:

a bar is pretty explanatory

[12:22:39]

justinh:

siXy: you can have contextual elements no problem

[12:23:05]

justinh:

pie chart for disk usage isn't a bad idea actually

[12:23:15]

mzb_d800:

yes, but the bar doesn't include space that could be used if auto-expired programmes were deleted

[12:23:31]

mzb_d800:

(assuming you have a mix between enabled and disabled auto-expire)

[12:23:35]

justinh:

% space used, % space free, %space that would be free if autoexpired shows were deleted

[12:23:43]

siXy:

justinh: oh can you? *me re-reads the theme wiki*

[12:23:46]

mzb_d800:

and "ageing" bar-display would be nice ;)

[12:23:54]

mzb_d800:

(shades of colour;)

[12:24:08]

siXy:

"based on the shows you have recorded, we think you are in your late 80's" < like that?

[12:24:13]

justinh:

siXy: if you make the code aware of it you can do almost anything

[12:24:34]

justinh:

a piechart widget would come in handy in other places too fwiw

[12:24:39]

mzb_d800:

siXy: heh ... yeah ... nothing like that ;P

[12:24:49]

mzb_d800:

but nice call :P

[12:25:13]

mzb_d800:

*chuckle* (still laughing)

[12:25:28]

justinh:

"you have watched more than enough Oprah this week. I am only allowing cultureTV to be recorded for the next 21 days"

[12:25:46]

mzb_d800:

(as punishment for your bad taste)

[12:25:54]

siXy:

justinh: yeah i meant a graphic or other object that automatically updated every n seconds. but if i have a minute this weekend i might have a look at writing a pie-chart widget

[12:26:24]

mzb_d800:

anyway, I need to walk around the (outside of the) house, get a fresh beer, and get this IR_database thing happening ... bbl

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justinh:

Warning: you have no shows available to watch. MythTaste has deleted them all

[12:27:16]

justinh:

siXy: again if the code supports it you can redraw anything you want at intervals

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mzb_d800:

heh

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jarle:

Anybody able to confirm the channel sorting bug I just described?

[12:28:18]

justinh:

siXy: bind theme elements to variables (I did that recently in mythappearance) & call an area update every n ticks or whatever

[12:29:05]

mzb_d800:

ah .. and before I walk away (and to further show my ignorance) wouldn't it be nice if MythOSD could display something over the frontend?

[12:29:38]

justinh:

mzb_d800: over the menus? somebody was looking at that

[12:29:45]

mzb_d800:

yes

[12:29:59]

justinh:

might've already happened actually

[12:30:05]

mzb_d800:

that'd be nice

[12:30:30]

mzb_d800:

I'll keep working on the assumption that it will happen then :)

[12:30:32]

mzb_d800:

bbl

[12:31:23]

justinh:

siXy: the UI code is easier to work with than it might look from the outside. dunno about mythui yet of course..

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siXy:

justinh: is there any docs on doing that?

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siXy:

s/is/are/

[12:31:55]

justinh:

siXy: no but it's pretty easy to work out

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siXy:

ok, thanks i will have a poke around. is the mythappearance source in -trunk?

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justinh:

siXy: yeah

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siXy:

cheers

[12:34:35]

justinh:

siXy: e.g. line 218 of mythappearance.cpp – that will take a textarea of name "size" and attach the int m_size to it. so make m_size have different contents every time you update & those get redrawn :)

[12:35:26]

justinh:

I was surprised how much is abstracted – even more surprised I 'got' it so easily

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justinh:

er.. m_size is a QString not an int !

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justinh:

but you should get the jist of it anyway :)

[12:38:21]

siXy:

yeah i get the idea i think :)

[12:39:36]

blackest:

any one know much about domains ?

[12:40:15]

blackest:

i have a hostname for my ubuntu computers but i think i am suposed to have a domain name too

[12:40:28]

justinh:

never bothered

[12:40:50]

justinh:

the fecking cheek of HR here! bike to work benefits! FFS. I live 35 miles away

[12:41:24]

blackest:

its just the shares seem to want to want hostname domainname share

[12:41:27]

justinh:

most people live at least 20 miles away too. can't see many people wanting to cycle 40 miles a day

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blackest:

its lethal that distance on a bike

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blackest:

i know people who do that sort of thing and they seem to regularly get hit by cars

[12:43:03]

blackest:

are hr going to ensure showers are available ?

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siXy:

justinh: well at least you'd be fit :)

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blackest:

or they expecting the offices to be full of sweaty people

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siXy:

also not many people survive being regularly hit by cars. its normally not a sustainable activity

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siXy:

blackest: you can set hostname.domainname.com if you want, rather than just hostname. vi /etc/hosts

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blackest:

so i can have ubuntu16.notcarlsberg.com

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blackest:

probably not the best network in the world

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siXy:

yep. blackest.nolagerhere.com works too

[12:46:47]

siXy:

although it it is only an internal network, using .lan or something is not a bad idea

[12:46:53]

blackest:

so i just mod all the hostnames on my linux systems

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siXy:

s/it/if/

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blackest:

how does windows fit in ?

[12:47:36]

siXy:

um?

[12:47:52]

siXy:

however you want it to

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blackest:

well i have a couple of xp systems on my network

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siXy:

you can give them the same domainname too

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blackest:

would i need to create a hosts file for them too

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blackest:

Ideally i want to share drives between them i have a windows box which is good for recording satellite

[12:49:32]

Kazan:

hey janneg you at your keyboard?

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siXy:

you can put an ntry in /etc/hosts for them too, if you want to access them via a dns name

[12:51:21]

blackest:

ok thanks for your help

[12:52:38]

mzb_d800:

so I'd like to be able to _just_ use the mythbox .. but I have certain limitations that I have to deal with ... this pic should give you an idea why I'm having remote problems (and I'm sure that many of you have worse situations!;)

[12:52:41]

mzb_d800:

http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . itemId=20382

[12:53:48]

mzb_d800:

btw: the remote receiver&transmitter is currently wedged above the Sony Receiver

[12:54:24]

mzb_d800:

eventually it will be a couple of inches to the left ... probably using double-sided tape ... but with the cover on it (et al)

[12:56:06]

justinh:

siXy: if people get hit by cars, there'd be fewer people on the payroll :)

[12:56:31]

siXy:

:)

[12:56:39]

justinh:

it's a win-win

[12:56:44]

mzb_d800:

heh: Time to upgrade the fiancÃ©e? :)

[12:56:47]

mzb_d800:

lol

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siXy:

and less people to make silly requests, too

[12:57:01]

justinh:

just watched that HD-DVD skit with Hitler in it

[12:57:05]

justinh:

again

[12:58:08]

Aval0n:

I just feel the glass theme is too transparent in color

[12:58:09]

siXy:

mzb_d800: why not just a get a one for many remote?

[12:58:18]

mzb_d800:

got one

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Aval0n:

lol

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mzb_d800:

don't like it

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justinh:

Aval0n: what does that have to do with the price of fish?

[12:58:34]

Aval0n:

hahaha

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siXy:

Aval0n: what glass do you normally come accross that is not transparent?

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mzb_d800:

chunky, uses too many batteries, and too hard to programme

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Aval0n:

sixy: it was a joke

[12:59:00]

justinh:

not a jp1 remote :)

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siXy:

mzb_d800: ah. hauppage do some nice ones, but they are not the cheapest

[12:59:19]

Aval0n:

the whole reason he made glass is because he got complaints about his other themes being too (insert color)

[12:59:36]

mzb_d800:

I've got a really nice one with the Leadtek Winfast DTV1000

[12:59:47]

mzb_d800:

has all the functions I need

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justinh:

'he' is in the room ya know

[13:00:03]

mzb_d800:

idea is to programme the mythbox to do the learning though ;)

[13:00:07]

Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

justinh: how come you dropped the juski alias?

[13:00:21]

siXy:

s/hauppage/logitech/

[13:00:23]

Aval0n:

old gf pet name that's no more or soemthing

[13:00:24]

mzb_d800:

too purple? ;)

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siXy:

not sure why those two sound similar to me...

[13:00:46]

justinh:

he was an asshole. and now I am

[13:00:50]

mzb_d800:

siXy: harmony? nah ... don't want something that complex

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Aval0n:

lol

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justinh:

logitech/microsoft soon – allegedly

[13:01:03]

Aval0n:

yeah I heard about that too

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mzb_d800:

oh dear

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Aval0n:

well lets face it, the MS mouse has been logitech all along anyway

[13:01:22]

mzb_d800:

might have to put logitech on the "don't buy list"

[13:01:32]

Aval0n:

they just want to assimilate the competition

[13:01:34]

siXy:

yeah i heard that – and im not surprised. logitech seems a good aquisition for MS

[13:01:43]

justinh:

and yahoo?

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blackest:

justinh heres one for hr http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands . . . /7189168.stm

[13:01:54]

justinh:

I am locutus of Microsoft

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Aval0n:

I dunno if yahoo is a smart move

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mzb_d800:

heh ... got a call from a job I did months ago ... "My mouse has stopped working"

[13:02:05]

Aval0n:

they have nothing on google

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justinh:

blackest: saw that

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mzb_d800:

hmmm "changed the batteries?" ...

[13:02:31]

justinh:

batteries in a mouse? sounds like witchcraft

[13:02:37]

Aval0n:

anyway

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Aval0n:

I'm off to work

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mzb_d800:

"nope ... it doesn't open ... click ... oh wait ... thanks!"

[13:02:47]

mzb_d800:

*sigh*

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Aval0n:

see you all later

[13:02:56]

mzb_d800:

(Logitech mouse + kbd)

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mzb_d800:

justinh: I was trying to work out how he thought it was powered!

[13:03:54]

mzb_d800:

(solar, motion....)

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mzb_d800:

ah well ... he took it well

[13:04:12]

siXy:

motion-power mouse – interesting idea :)

[13:04:28]

mzb_d800:

his first time on Linux and he's loving it (never calls)

[13:04:35]

mzb_d800:

(which means I love it too;)

[13:04:46]

justinh:

that's why I laughed at all that UWB frippery at CES. and these wireless things without cords are powered HOW?

[13:05:47]

directhex|bsp:

Aval0n, i believe it's memorex who manufacture MS mice

[13:05:53]

mzb_d800:

siXy: probably almost in the same class as solar-powered torches ;)

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mzb_d800:

I have to say though, that I love my MX610

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mzb_d800:

(< au$50 2nd hand)

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mzb_d800:

a bit slow to wake up ... but precision + buttons + any surface is excellent

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directhex|bsp:

i find logitech peripherals "nicer", but reliability is poor

[13:07:54]

mzb_d800:

+ side scroll + IM&email notification LEDs

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mzb_d800:

I couldn't find anything in the same league

[13:08:34]

mzb_d800:

the gaming versions were all nice (MX revolution)

[13:08:43]

mzb_d800:

but too complicated

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mzb_d800:

MX610 was an excellent compromise

[13:09:26]

mzb_d800:

nice size and shape to boot

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directhex|bsp:

i have an mx518 mouse and ultrax keyboard

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mzb_d800:

makes moderating 50(?) mailing lists a lot easier to deal with

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directhex|bsp:

both are dodgy

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mzb_d800:

not a laser mouse?

[13:13:36]

siXy:

logitech g5 laser is nice. it has a (largely pointless) cartridge that you can change the weight of to fit your prefernece. +10 geek points for that feature alone :)

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directhex|bsp:

mzb_d800, wife has an ms laser

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mzb_d800:

yep ... g5 (& g7?), mx + vx revolution were all out of price range

[13:16:08]

mzb_d800:

iirc ... 2nd hand mx610 was the best I could get for the price

[13:16:08]

anykey_:

What do I need to install to get mythweb flv streaming working?

[13:16:19]

directhex|bsp:

will get new mouse/keyboard/speakers/monitor for wife's pc in a month or two

[13:16:35]

directhex|bsp:

anykey_, ffmpeg with features enabled that nmay be disabled in your distro

[13:16:49]

anykey_:

directhex|bsp: I'm using gentoo, so what features? ;)

[13:18:59]

directhex|bsp:

lame and flash, mainly!

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anykey_:

think I have that..

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justinh:

new Torchpoo series starts tonight don't forget

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jduggan:

hmm

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jduggan:

will have to record it

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jduggan:

ive never used myths record series stuff

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jduggan:

i dont have enough tuners yet

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jduggan:

:|

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Andycasss:

Does anyone know how to disable authentication from mythweb's music stream?

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directhex|bsp:

what was that new hauppauge hd grabber called?

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justinh:

dunno if it had a name

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justinh:

most diggable product of January or something

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arod:

hi. I'm running mythtv 0.20 on debian etch. I can't get acpi wakeup to work. I set time with "echo "+2000-00–00 00:05:00" > /proc/acpi/alarm" but pc doesn't wakeup. Setting rtc wakeup in Bios works. Any hints?

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justinh:

think it's just called the 'HD PVR'

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arod:

when I power on manually time is set to 2008-00–00 with no month and day

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directhex|bsp:

maybe your bios ACPI implementation is fubar? happens with some

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arod:

directhex|bsp: should I give up?

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justinh:

giving up is for quitters :)

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directhex|bsp:

so is nicotinell

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arod:

I can remember I could some time ago when debian sid and a recent kernel was running in the same pc

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justinh:

all those stop smoking ads want to make me smoke again

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justinh:

*make me want to smoke again

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justinh:

between those & fecking sofa ads over xmas I nearly lost the plot visiting the folks

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Aval0n:

does mythtv have hotkeys to bring up recodings, music, videos, etc...

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justinh:

mythtv calls them jump points :)

[16:18:07]

Aval0n:

haha ok

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Aval0n:

so then they do exist

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Aval0n:

are they listed in the wiki probably?

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FinnTux:

Aval0n, you can view/edit them in mythweb

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tgm4883:

I forgot to keep the recordedmarkup table when I transferred everything over. How do you tell my backend to re-commflag all programs?

[16:24:35]

directhex|bsp:

mythcomflagg --all, or something like it

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directhex|bsp:

i know i've done it before, and it's easy

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tgm4883:

ah mythcomflag. Now that i know that i'll see if theres a --help or anything

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tgm4883:

thanks directhex|bsp

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directhex|bsp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythcommflag

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tgm4883:

yep --all is right. Thanks

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directhex|bsp:

--rebuild is also useful

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tgm4883:

what does the seektable do?

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tgm4883:

since it doesn't flag for commercials?

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directhex|bsp:

allows rewind/ff to work

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tgm4883:

interesting

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tgm4883:

and that won't happen in a --all?

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directhex|bsp:

no, unless you specify --rebuild, only commercial flagging is done

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directhex|bsp:

--rebuild is for building the seektable

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tgm4883:

ok so mythcommflag --rebuild --all would do both?

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directhex|bsp:

yes

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tgm4883:

and the rebuild would be first then?

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directhex|bsp:

no, sorry, that would rebuild the seektable on all files, not do any commercial flagging

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Aval0n:

<FinnTux> Aval0n, you can view/edit them in mythweb

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Aval0n:

thanks

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arod:

I finally got acpi wakeup to work. Is it a good idea switching from utc to localtime to avoid time format issues?

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orkid:

huh?

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orkid:

your computer doesn't care what time zone you're in.

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, GAH! You're right, who turned the wiki into a discussion board?

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** iamlindoro__ deletes useless shit **

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blkorpheus:

lol

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iamlindoro__:

"FIXME: I haven't figured out how to do this yet. The editor function works to set a cutlist, but there is no option to set up a transcoding profile specifically for HDTV recordings. I suspect that further development effort is required before MythTV can transcode HDTV. Several people have reported on the mailing lists methods of using external programs for transcoding."

[18:16:18]

iamlindoro__:

WTF?

[18:16:33]

iamlindoro__:

There are discussion pages for a reason, shitwits

[18:18:06]

iamlindoro__:

I'm going to split out all this anecdotal crap about playing HDTV with <insertprocessormodelhere> into a second page of HD User Reports

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Saviq:

uhm guys please help... my schedules stopped working since a myth hangup five minutes ago... epg data is there, the schedules are there, but nothing gets scheduled :/

[18:25:58]

Saviq:

can I force a reschedule?

[18:26:20]

blkorpheus:

how about restarting the backend?

[18:26:25]

blkorpheus:

first

[18:27:49]

Saviq:

aah tables crashed

[18:27:57]

jduggan:

hmm – mythbuntu stock kernel panics on boot when i put in a pci graphics card

[18:28:00]

jduggan:

good

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jduggan:

:o

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jduggan:

not god

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blkorpheus:

pci or pci-e?

[18:28:41]

justinh:

iamlindoro__: I don't just say all this stuff ya know ;)

[18:29:05]

blkorpheus:

jduggan, #ubuntu-mythv

[18:29:29]

justinh:

iamlindoro__: should be possible to ban users from editing for a spell too IMHO. moderate their asses

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, I was all gung ho to go on the wiki this morning, and have spent the last hour on the "Configuring HDTV" page alone

[18:29:59]

iamlindoro__:

justinh, People are going to understand the concept of bitrate and its relevance to 1080p playback if it kills me

[18:30:01]

iamlindoro__:

and it might

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jduggan:

blkorpheus: im not looking for support, just ranting

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blkorpheus:

cool

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justinh:

IMHO wikis can be great & all that if you have dedicated people to police them. or not. take wikipedia for example

[18:30:57]

jduggan:

wikis are rather hit and miss

[18:31:02]

jduggan:

public wikis that is

[18:31:03]

jduggan:

:)

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justinh:

non-public ones are hit & miss too. we have one at work. it sucks

[18:31:36]

jduggan:

ive setup an wikis for internal staff use in work – to document trivial stuff that one might forget – it works great

[18:31:40]

jduggan:

er

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jduggan:

nice english jduggan

[18:31:46]

jduggan:

but you get what i mean

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justinh:

it's only ever as good as the people editing it :)

[18:32:39]

justinh:

if others have got to spend hours cleaning up grammar, facts & style is there any point at all?

[18:33:07]

justinh:

s/got/

[18:33:37]

justinh:

oh I dunno. I'm almost past caring about it anyway

[18:34:02]

iamlindoro__:

And then there's the repetition, first person, and user-board-ery to clean up

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iamlindoro__:

here's one: = Recording HDTV =

[18:36:04]

iamlindoro__:

As discussed above, OTA ATSC and Clear QAM ATSC HDTV can be recorded at this time.

[18:36:20]

iamlindoro__:

Well wtf? If it was discussed above, and that's all you have to say about it, why the eff is that here?

[18:38:38]

justinh:

I have another project to finish before getting my teeth stuck into helping out with 0.21 docs, so I'll try to block it from my mind til I'm done

[18:39:47]

justinh:

and while I think on – found a big problem in glass-wide last night I didn't discover in testing too. nobody else has noticed (reported it) yet though :)

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jduggan:

hmm – is it better to do a 720p modelines or 1080i?

[18:47:07]

jduggan:

modeline*

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iamlindoro__:

I'd do 720p myself

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iamlindoro__:

ugh, "Caveat emptor" is *not* the same as a caveat

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justinh:

yay fixed glass-wide

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iamlindoro__:

There. It's not perfect, but at least all the anecdotal number-throwing on the HDTV page is gone, and it covers all the basics

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** justinh edits the page to say he's been watching HDTV on his 386 since 2006 **

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iamlindoro__:

hahahah

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justinh:

oo hey look the wind changed. glass-wide is GPL'd

[19:12:59]

iamlindoro__:

let the donations recommence

[19:13:07]

beandog:

glass-wide?

[19:13:14]

justinh:

mythtvthemes.co.uk

[19:13:25]

beandog:

rawk, I need more themes.

[19:13:43]

beandog:

now if theyd just do versioning releases

[19:13:48]

beandog:

it'd be easier to put in portage.

[19:14:00]

GreyFoxx:

how do you mean?

[19:14:04]

beandog:

well

[19:14:09]

beandog:

they release a theme, as my-theme.tgz

[19:14:18]

beandog:

They do an update, drop the old one, and re-release it as the same filename.

[19:14:25]

beandog:

breaking mirrors / md5sums / your mom's soap operas

[19:14:26]

GreyFoxx:

oh, you mean non myth provided themes

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iamlindoro__:

Mmmm, SVN...

[19:14:34]

beandog:

right.

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justinh:

fwiw I prefer folks to get them directly from me

[19:14:49]

beandog:

leaves poor little me to version it myself.

[19:14:52]

justinh:

most reliable way to get em up to date

[19:14:58]

beandog:

which is time consuming, so I complain.

[19:14:59]

beandog:

:)

[19:15:05]

justinh:

and if little Joe user isn't comfortable with tar, TOUGH

[19:15:09]

justinh:

:)

[19:15:38]

beandog:

heh

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justinh:

if my crappy web host would let me put a decent CMS on there & it wasn't such a damn PITA to update it maybe I'd go back to version numbers

[19:16:27]

justinh:

but as it is, I've paid for 2 years hosting & domain name up front so there it stays

[19:17:14]

justinh:

anyway, what would life be if you couldn't breeze through & annoy some people a little bit? ;)

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GreyFoxx:

boring :)

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justinh:

seriously though I've thought about bringing the numbers back – seems like a good idea and pretty viable these days since I don't do anywhere near as many updates as I used to

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justinh:

i.e. I test more & rush less

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beandog:

justinh, wheres your site?

[19:18:25]

beandog:

oh, is that themes one yours?

[19:18:58]

justinh:

yeah I'm the mardy arsed theme creator with an ego the size of... and a temper to match. for all my sins

[19:19:16]

beandog:

did you make the blootube one?

[19:19:23]

justinh:

it's becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy :(

[19:19:33]

iamlindoro__:

Hmmmmmm... For the HD Playback reports page, I am thinking of writing a script that the user runs on a file... It can cat all the correct info into a file in wiki format, and it can just be pasted onto the page.

[19:19:36]

justinh:

beandog: all the ones hosted on there, I did

[19:19:49]

justinh:

too effing many

[19:20:05]

beandog:

sweet, I love the blootube one

[19:20:08]

beandog:

tell u whot.

[19:20:16]

beandog:

now get some versions on there, ya punk. :)

[19:20:31]

justinh:

when I get time :)

[19:20:34]

beandog:

youre making my ebuilds hard to roll

[19:22:15]

justinh:

it really doesn't bother me how many packagers roll my stuff up tbh. I'm not out for world domination

[19:22:40]

justinh:

I'll only start versioning again cos it'd be 'good practise'

[19:24:42]

justinh:

wonder if my lame host would be capable of running svn..

[19:26:19]

justinh:

oh ffs been knocked off the google index again. what now?!

[19:27:01]

justinh:

what the hell is the deal with packages of my stuff being listed higher than the site containing the originals?

[19:27:19]

justinh:

starting to see what I might have against packages?

[19:28:50]

justinh:

derr all my pages are still properly indexed. guess it's just down to who has the highest google score :(

[19:33:53]

justinh:

looking at my stats it seems people are finding the site with the terms I envisaged they would.. just have to look beyond all the ubuntu guff

[19:34:10]

beandog:

heh

[19:34:34]

beandog:

justinh, well in our case, the mirror is just sucking down the tarballs directly

[19:34:38]

beandog:

although, they should only do that *once*

[19:34:42]

beandog:

since I think they are mirrored.

[19:34:50]

bsdfox__:

I love ubuntuforums.. bunch of people giving horrible advice telling people to reinstall

[19:35:12]

beandog:

yah, theyre mirrored.

[19:35:17]

justinh:

I've seen that a few times actually – looking for a project homepage & you have to sift through pages of ubuntu package stuff

[19:35:34]

at0m|c:

hi, having created "S-Video" and "Composite" inputs for my pvr350 in mythtv-setup, [each with one channel with a number and name, but no freq], i cant select these inputs from the frontend. any suggestions?

[19:35:35]

justinh:

starting to be a blight IMHO

[19:36:00]

justinh:

at0m|c: because you didnt bind the inputs to a 'video source' ;)

[19:36:06]

at0m|c:

i did

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justinh:

(in Input Connections)

[19:36:15]

** at0m|c checks again **

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justinh:

and the backend only checks them when it starts up AFAIK

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clever:

2008-01–16 15:38:10.968 NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: myth://192.168.1.60:6543/1051_20080116065900.mpg

[19:38:31]

clever:

2008-01–16 15:38:12.876 NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: /media/mainlv/mythtv/1028_20080116030000.mpg

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clever:

finaly that bug hit the 3rd nfsroot system

[19:38:48]

clever:

and i just happened to forgot the -v

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justinh:

bsdfox__: but that's the <cough> way. hardware no worky? reboot & reinstall the driver. still no worky? reinstall the OS

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justinh:

anyway time to return to our original programming.

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clever:

with mythtv you can pause the original programing anytime you want!

[19:44:58]

justinh:

with a vcr I could

[19:45:09]

justinh:

as long as it was recorded first :P

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clever:

weeee

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clever:

x server got swaped out into a bad sector

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clever:

causing seg fault

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clever:

and no theres no way that could have caused the decoder error because those 2 other problem systems lack any swap

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clever:

Jan 16 15:31:17 olddell smartd[4699]: Device: /dev/sda, 38654705673 Offline uncorrectable sectors

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clever:

ouch

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at0m|c:

justinh, should i not create at least one channel for ie. S-video input so it can be selected from program guide?

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at0m|c:

though i have no idea on which freq the VHS player will transmit on playback

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clever:

theres normaly a switch for channel 3/4

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at0m|c:

or should i let it scan for channels while it's playing or so

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clever:

and svideo lacks channels

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justinh:

at0m|c: svideo is svideo. no frequency

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at0m|c:

oki – and does it appear in program guide? or just scroll to/ dial in the channel number

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at0m|c:

oki no channel either

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clever:

you could attach a fake channe to the vcr inputt

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at0m|c:

... so then it can be selected by typing the channel number, i suppose

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clever:

and since its fake it wont find guide data

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clever:

and wont try and record shows from there on its own

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at0m|c:

cooles, cheers :)

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at0m|c:

hm, all set up in mythtv-setup if i understood correctly (and it sounded pretty straight-forward), yet i can't seem to select the channel nor input

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at0m|c:

i can scroll over the channel number, but im unable to select it

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at0m|c:

so i see 36 for s-video and 37 for composite input in program guide

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at0m|c:

but it always jumps back to the last (valid?) channel number

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Andycasss:

Can i watch dvd rips with mythvideo (vob)

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bsdfox_:

Andycasss: you can set external programs to play it

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bsdfox_:

I'm not sure if the internal player works yet though

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at0m|c:

Andycasss, vob files will be playable using the default player. you may have to set up a new file-type that is opened with that player

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GreyFoxx:

the internal player can play vobs

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Andycasss:

Thank you, I will try setting up file types later :)

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GreyFoxx:

I I use the internal player to play vobs I made with vobcopy and regular vob rips of dvd's

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spader3d:

hi all

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spader3d:

is it possible to watch live tv without getting the stream recorded?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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spader3d:

how do i manage the recorded file size?

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GreyFoxx:

LiveTV "recordings" will be chopped at the start/end of shows based on your program listings

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GreyFoxx:

they auto expire after 24 hours

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GreyFoxx:

Or if space is needed for arecording or to keep the minimum amount free you have configured they will expire

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at0m|c:

and if no program listing is found it is chopped each 30mins

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GreyFoxx:

I think it's actually 6/8 hours

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at0m|c:

hm, oki, here 30 mins – didnt know it was configurable

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spader3d:

how big should my recordings space be? 120GB?

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GreyFoxx:

spader3d: how much stuff do you intend to record ?:)

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clever:

depends on the time and quality settings

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GreyFoxx:

I have 500–600GB of space for receordings

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Toxicity999:

haha, it's so cool seeing IRC pings on my TV, I love my new script =]

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at0m|c:

spader3d, i'm using about 60–80gb

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spader3d:

i intent to run livetv and if i do not change channel my hd will fill and the system will stall

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clever:

i have 178gig to my recordings

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GreyFoxx:

Toxy: I was like that when I first got Asterisk to send callerid info myth :)

[20:12:38]

Toxicity999:

GreyFoxx I just wish mythtvosd worked in the whole UI, not just video playback.

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at0m|c:

spader3d, try to mount it on a separate partition. also, myth can be configured to leave 'x' Gb available

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clever:

im still tring to get cid from pots on myth

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clever:

ive shoved a pair of pci modems into a slave to use one as a cid sniffer

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clever:

both dont work!

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clever:

02:09.0 Communication controller: Conexant HSF 56k HSFi Modem (rev 01)

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clever:

02:0a.0 Communication controller: Conexant Unknown device 2f10 (rev 01)

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GreyFoxx:

Toxicity999: that would be nice, and likely eventually will. but for now it's literally drawn on the OSD layer which currently only exists during playback

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clever:

it doesnt know what drivers to use

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GreyFoxx:

spader3d: myth will auto expire livetv recordings if it needs space

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Toxicity999:

GreyFoxx, yea I looked in to the code.

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GreyFoxx:

and they auto expire after 24 hours

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Toxicity999:

a general interpretter which says hey you're in TV playback or hey you're in the UI and displayed a different thing accordingly could work..

[20:14:34]

Toxicity999:

Locally that is..

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GreyFoxx:

Once mythui is fleshed out more, and more of the menus use it then we can have an OSD layer, so then instead of binding the 6948 port during playback startup we could do it in mythfrontend startup and display the one layer no matter what menu someone is in

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clever:

GreyFoxx: what hardware might you need to make a link between pots and Asterisk?

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: remember http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/images/whoops.mpg ? ; )

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** GreyFoxx grabs it **

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GreyFoxx:

clever: a X100 clone would do, but they are thought of in Asterisk circles like we feel about framegrabbers

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clever:

lol

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clever:

DAMNIT

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GreyFoxx:

I've got one and it works fine

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** sid3windr too **

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: mooching around my work pc hdd today & found it. I'd forgot all about it

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clever:

keyboard is dead in firefox too now!

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clever:

thats 3 programs now this bug has hit

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clever:

1st was myth

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Seeker`:

Woo, I got my cyberlink remote control working!

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clever:

GreyFoxx: what about those dialup modems with voice features?

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Seeker`:

Although it did involve hacking at the /etc/init.c/lirc

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GreyFoxx:

clever: no :)

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clever:

:(

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at0m|c:

:/ made inputs and one fake channel for pvr350's s-Video and Composite inputs, but they cannot be selected from channel number nor program guide... any idea's?

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justinh:

at0m|c: you did try Y to change inputs didnt you?

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at0m|c:

Y ?

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clever:

GreyFoxx: what about the crappy winmodem's which appear to simply be a sound card linked to the phone?

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sid3windr:

no go

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sid3windr:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

clever: no

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clever:

:(

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GreyFoxx:

an x100 clone is like $5 on ebay

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clever:

lol:)

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sid3windr:

yarly ;)

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** GreyFoxx wonders how well IEGD 8 will work with OpenGL **

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: yeah, I think that would be fscking sweet

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GreyFoxx:

(just looked at the video again)

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FinnTux:

is mythtv IPTV recorder able to use UDP streams coming from dvbstream?

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FinnTux:

I know streaming with vlc works but dvbstream streams the whole mux a bit differently

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iamlindoro__:

Gah, how does one paste code into the wiki with the <code> tag and have it respect line breaks??

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FinnTux:

vlc: 1 channel/IP+port, dvbstream: 1 mux/IP+port

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GreyFoxx:

FinnTux: I've tried it will vlc but never even looked at dvbstream

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FinnTux:

GreyFoxx, I tried vlc too but it has a nasty habit of leaking memory

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justinh:

http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/knopp/cast.png

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FinnTux:

at least the version in debian etch

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iamlindoro__:

Ah, got it... <pre> and </pre>

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justinh:

ah bugger. rally didn't wanna paste that

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GreyFoxx:

I can't remember the exact version I had, 0.8.5 or 0.8.4 and it ran 24/7 with no problems. But I haven't used newer for iptv streams

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FinnTux:

small errors in DVB stream (bad signal) causes the leaks

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: pretty heh

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FinnTux:

I have pretty good signal so I can run it for few days. but it must run for few months :)

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GreyFoxx:

I think longest since run I ever had it go was 3 weeks or so

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GreyFoxx:

I update my backends too often to run it longer :)

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FinnTux:

lol

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FinnTux:

I guess I have to test it...

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: thanks. I really didn't mean to paste that. damn right click in putty

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at0m|c:

justinh, i've made a couple screenshots for relevant settings. would you mind having a look? i dont see what can be wrong in the set up... http://users.telenet.be/at0m/myth/

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justinh:

at0m|c: looks sensible to me

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at0m|c:

justinh, thanks for checking. yet, i can't seem to select channel number 36 or 37

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at0m|c:

anyone else have an idea on what could go wrong selecting my s-video and composite inputs?

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justinh:

duh!

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at0m|c:

like a little kid, looking forward to digitise our old home videos :D

[20:48:11]

justinh:

it's C to switch inputs

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at0m|c:

oh

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justinh:

at0m|c: sorry. anyway I should tell you that there's a limitation in your scheme. without EPG data myth will record in chunks of one hour or 30 mins – cant remember which

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at0m|c:

right – i experienced some 30mins chops

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justinh:

at0m|c: best workaround I've been able to think of without making dummy EPG data for that source is to schedule a manual recording on that input then edit it later in 'watch recordings'

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at0m|c:

oki, thanks :)

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justinh:

and fwiw if you have a firewire camcorder use that instead of svid/composite and dont involve mythtv at all – for best results

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Toxicity999:

Can anyone think of a good way to play a sound on my frontend when it received a mythtvosd request?

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justinh:

I've seen forum posts in the past from folks with digi camcorders who want to know which capture card is best to make dvds out of their home movies

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at0m|c:

of course – i use dvgrab for my digi cam

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at0m|c:

lol justinh

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at0m|c:

i was thinking of digitising my old home video's, like from us playing as kids, skateboarding etc

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justinh:

Toxicity999: nothing that doesn't involve hacking source code, and even then, making it mix over the playing audio could be tricky

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at0m|c:

they're still on VHS

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Toxicity999:

justinh yea...

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at0m|c:

so there's no other way than capturing the analog source

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Toxicity999:

justinh I just got IRSSI senting osd requests to my frontends with pings, was looking to refine.

[20:54:11]

Toxicity999:

Oh well for now, I hate local patches

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Toxicity999:

gets messy

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justinh:

at0m|c: too true. unless your digi camcorder takes video input. my inlaws' one does :)

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justinh:

Toxicity999: I'd want it the other way around.. "FO I'm watching TV" :)

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at0m|c:

justinh, too bad, my cam takes no input

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Toxicity999:

rofl

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Toxicity999:

true

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Toxicity999:

I get few pings though

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Toxicity999:

and it's pretty elegant

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clever:

Toxicity999: ive allready got a highlight subsystem built into my mirc's

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clever:

Toxicity999: you say my name infront of 1 and every mirc beeps(including one on a laptop miles away in a hotel)

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clever:

Toxicity999: and if i dont hit F5 on one within 60 seconds it sends an sms of it to my phone!

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jhulst:

Toxicity999: You could run a local copy of your irc client on your myth machine and have it do the beeping

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** justinh considers looking up the dream he had last night. using irc on a pda, in a warzone where I'm a sniper. phone rings, I answer & casually speak to my mother while I'm picking off enemies with bullets to their head </random> **

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clever:

a recent change i did sends a copy of the line out via udp for netcat to pickup and to trigger a beep from linux

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Toxicity999:

well I modified the usual libnotyf script to just send a mythtvosd request on my server to any specific or all frontends

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, Isn't *this* much better? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD_Playback_Reports Mmmm, standard... Now I just need to figure out how to get mplayer to give me the bitrate properly and we'll be all set

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Toxicity999:

anyway back to the bed for catch up.

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sulan:

hmm, I'm trying to get my mythtv-backend (0.20.2+fixes15346) to respond to UPnP queries from my PS3, however I can't get it to respond – any ideas of what to enable? I already have "-v important,general,upnp,socket,media" but can't see nothing upnp related in the mythtv log

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FinnTux:

ok, this is just gonna show how dummy I am but what exactly is UPnP

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FinnTux:

in myth

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sulan:

FinnTux: it exposes mythtv on the network to A/V devices such as the D-Link media lounge and other compatible devices

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sulan:

for example, the Sony Playstation 3 can query the network for UPnP media servers and play video and music from the server

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FinnTux:

how about windows media player? I saw it installing some mythtv stuff the other day

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at0m|c:

justinh, pressing 'c' on 2 frontends (which are both verified to be bound to toggleinputs), mythfrontend just shows current input device – it doesnt seem to toggle

[21:01:23]

justinh:

at0m|c: it should do

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at0m|c:

justinh, sorry for calling you like this, but you know the history of this eh :]

[21:02:05]

justinh:

at0m|c: I'm all out of ideas for you now though. v. tired which never helps

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jams:

are you attempting to switch inputs or cards ?

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FinnTux:

thanks sulan

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jams:

at0m|c- are you attempting to switch inputs or cards ?

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at0m|c:

justinh, i appreciate your help!! will fiddle some more with it tonite..

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at0m|c:

jams, it's all on a single pvr350

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at0m|c:

jams, all = tuner, composite and s-video, see http://users.telenet.be/at0m/myth/

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at0m|c:

jams, posted some screenshots there which justinh verified to be looking ok..

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at0m|c:

so i guess that's 3 inputs on one card..

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jams:

the 350 has seperate svido and composite?

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rushfan:

is it normal for mythtv to rape your cpu when watching HDTV?

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jams:

didn't think it did.

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GreyFoxx:

rushfan: Sure, HDTV is cpu intensive to decode

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at0m|c:

jams, now that you're asking, i dont think so neither

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at0m|c:

but that's what mythtv-setup makes from it i guess

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at0m|c:

i've hooked up a VHS recorder > scart > s-video in on pvr350

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rushfan:

GreyFoxx: ok

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rushfan:

I guess I should go dual core

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rushfan:

then I can still do other stuff at the same time

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jams:

at0m|c- just noticed that you have both the svido and composite hooked up to something.

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jams:

shouldn't matter though

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at0m|c:

right, shouldnt do harm..

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at0m|c:

but i can safely delete the composite i suppose

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justinh:

ahh wait shouldn't there be an external channel change command in the input connection setup for svideo? even a dummy one?

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jams:

justinh- did you see that email from DTK about the mini ui conference this weekend?

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justinh:

jams: yeah. got an invite last weekend. cant get time off, plus it's a long way to go

[21:22:00]

jams:

i see secert developers mail

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justinh:

ahh the privileged few

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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jams:

yeah

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jams:

being on that list would be nice at times..but oh well

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justinh:

I'm not what I'd call a 'real' dev so I dont figure I'm hard done by

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GreyFoxx:

the non public dev list is not all that interesting :)

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jams:

GreyFoxx- it's not public so it MUST be interesting

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GreyFoxx:

hah

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justinh:

at which point I _would_ decide I wouldn't mind having a say in stuff remains to be seen. I like things as they are for now

[21:25:45]

GreyFoxx:

doh, gotta get my kid, later :)

[21:27:42]

justinh:

anyway hasn't somebody broken the 1st rule of the non-public list? :P

[21:28:11]

** jams is not aware of the list so he couldn't break the rules. **

[21:29:14]

justinh:

I think it's sort of funny how there's a secret one aswell. though having seen how well threads go when changes are suggested I'm not surprised

[21:30:28]

justinh:

the 'I'm not a dev and have never contributed, not even by helping anybody with a problem but I have strong opinions' mailing list

[21:30:30]

jams:

even a public moderated list would cause traffic

[21:30:42]

jams:

traffic to -users or mabye -dev

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justinh:

I was tempted to really move stuff out of the way to go to that meeting but it's linuxmce/pluto/kde stuff aswell which I really don't care all that much about. if I miss out by not being able to see some bigger picture then so be it

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at0m|c:

justinh, external channel change command in the input connection setup for svideo?

[21:35:05]

justinh:

at0m|c: read somewhere you need /bin/true in there if you have no actual channel change script

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at0m|c:

justinh, cheers, will look that up

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jams:

thats true you would /bin/true otherwise myth will think the channel change failed.

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justinh:

jams: plus I could never really see why I was asked in the first place. I'm not a real UI designer, nor a graphic designer. and it's just a hobby :)

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cal_:

how many mythtv devs are there?

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jams:

depends on what list you ask =)

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justinh:

cal_: people who contribute code or people with commit access?

[21:45:42]

justinh:

they're listed somewhere on svn.mythtv.org gotodev page or somesuch

[21:45:51]

justinh:

those with commit access are anyway

[21:46:29]

justinh:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/GoToDev there

[21:47:08]

justinh:

some haven't been seen for a while IIRC

[21:47:43]

GreyFoxx:

a couple of those names have been silent for a while, but that's most

[21:47:51]

GreyFoxx:

hehe my email address is typo'd though heh

[21:48:06]

justinh:

and my email address is inactive. heh

[21:48:09]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

that list could use some updating

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justinh:

oh is _that_ where the secret mails go? ;)

[21:48:46]

GreyFoxx:

as some people work more on different parts now

[21:49:00]

GreyFoxx:

:)

[21:49:27]

** justinh sprays vinegar on his monitor. nope still can't see em **

[21:49:41]

GreyFoxx:

there is no spoon

[21:50:05]

GreyFoxx:

or previously, these are not the droids you are looking for

[21:50:48]

GreyFoxx:

bah, called back to the office for an emergency which was just stupid arm waving by someone.

[21:51:07]

GreyFoxx:

thankfully my kid's daycare is in the neighboring building :)

[21:51:25]

GreyFoxx:

later :)

[21:51:43]

opentrinity:

if i have an hybrid card i can set both (dvb-t and anologue) at the same time?

[21:51:56]

opentrinity:

...in mythtv

[21:53:42]

keith4:

does anyone know if i can use the digital and analog tuners simultaneously on the pchdtv 5500?

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justinh:

keith4: I know you can't

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keith4:

i thought there was no way in hell you could... but i heard a tale of someone using digital and analog at the same time on some other mysterious tuner

[22:00:23]

justinh:

anyway the analogue part is only a framegrabber. waste of a good tuner

[22:00:43]

keith4:

yah, i've never used it

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at0m|c:

been searching a bit, but where does one edit channel-change script?

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justinh:

at0m|c: http://users.telenet.be/at0m/myth/schermafdruk2.png

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at0m|c:

silly me :)

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opentrinity:

bye *

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jesse:

hey guys

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jesse:

i'm in linear systems 2 right now lol

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at0m|c:

hm, adding the /bin/true to channel change script doesnt seem to fix it. added the /bin/true to each input without apparent result

[22:10:45]

Seeker`:

http://cjo20.net/remote.htm

[22:10:49]

Seeker`:

if anyone is interested

[22:11:18]

at0m|c:

Seeker`, excellent, i have the same cyberlink remote :)

[22:11:33]

Seeker`:

at0m|c: Did you get it working ok?

[22:11:38]

at0m|c:

i've set it up using xmodmap, reading your link

[22:11:48]

at0m|c:

some keys arent recognised by default

[22:12:06]

at0m|c:

the rest of the remote is recognised as usb keyboard

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at0m|c:

... for which xmodmap is convenient

[22:12:20]

Seeker`:

its not quite finished yet, I need to edit the bit about getting the Hex code right

[22:12:36]

Seeker`:

mine was all automatically detected for the USB keys

[22:12:44]

Seeker`:

i.e. u/d/l/r, ok, 0–9

[22:12:56]

Seeker`:

the rest were fixed by what I have written

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iamlindoro__:

Remove the first-person stuff and put it on the wiki

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at0m|c:

/all/ of the other keys?

[22:13:45]

iamlindoro__:

That way it can help everyone

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justinh:

Seeker`: de-personalise that page & it'd be great in the wiki :)

[22:13:52]

justinh:

doh iamlindoro__ beat me to it

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, heh ;)

[22:14:09]

Seeker`:

de-personalise?

[22:14:29]

iamlindoro__:

Seeker`, Yes, remove the "I did this" kind of stuff and just make it a set of instructions

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at0m|c:

i can use 0–9, u/d/l/r/ok, enter, out of the box, used xmodmap for the others. so they're recognised, but it needed some remapping

[22:15:09]

at0m|c:

Seeker`, you can use all keys now?

[22:15:33]

iamlindoro__:

justinh, I am rather proud of this (Maybe you saw it when I sent before) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD_Playback_Reports

[22:15:45]

Seeker`:

at0m|c: All the ones that I have mapped

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at0m|c:

Seeker`, you dont need lirc for that – at least i dont

[22:16:15]

at0m|c:

just xev to record the keynumbers

[22:16:31]

Seeker`:

at0m|c: Nothing was picking up the input from the special keys

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: what's with all the 'all you' stuff?

[22:17:21]

iamlindoro__:

Sheesh, *one* instance ;)

[22:17:42]

iamlindoro__:

fixed

[22:18:12]

at0m|c:

Seeker`, i made an ~/.Xmodmap file using the numbers from xev, remapped to the keys used in mythtv, now 80% is useable by running "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap"

[22:18:33]

at0m|c:

someone here hinted me to do that, not sure who it was

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at0m|c:

still interested in mapping the keys on the top end of the unit

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at0m|c:

but xev dont react to them so it must be lirc or so

[22:19:40]

at0m|c:

s/must be/must need

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Seeker`:

at0m|c: "top end"?

[22:21:02]

at0m|c:

hm, with the white background/rectangle

[22:21:11]

Seeker`:

yeah, I can use those

[22:21:21]

at0m|c:

the remote is in bedroom, gf's sleeping for now...

[22:21:25]

at0m|c:

cool

[22:21:26]

Seeker`:

heh

[22:21:42]

justinh:

iamlindoro__: sorry there was more. still good effort though

[22:21:58]

Seeker`:

I'm currently using the "Back", "EPG", "Record" and "DVD menu" buttons

[22:22:08]

Seeker`:

with DVD menu mapped to the "m" key

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: if you're gonna be a style fascist, be a proper one :)

[22:22:42]

iamlindoro__:

:P

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at0m|c:

from these 'top' keys, i can use record (r), back (Esc), EPG, and one other too

[22:22:55]

iamlindoro__:

fair enough

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at0m|c:

so that leaves 10-ish that arent recognised

[22:23:45]

at0m|c:

Seeker`, could you stop lirc, run xev on console and try the remote on it?

[22:23:52]

at0m|c:

see if it still works..

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Seeker`:

at0m|c: I can get input from every key using lirc

[22:24:49]

at0m|c:

oh, from every key's convincing to me :D

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iamlindoro__:

Still, the other HDTV page took most of the day... I should get some love for that ;)

[22:25:24]

** at0m|c hugs iamlindoro__ **

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iamlindoro__:

Mmmmm, hold me ever to softly

[22:25:38]

iamlindoro__:

er so

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at0m|c:

;p

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Seeker`:

at0m|c: I get some stuff using xev

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Seeker`:

but not everything

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at0m|c:

Seeker`, my .Xmodmap @ http://pastebin.ca/857829

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at0m|c:

that, and the default, makes the cyberlink remote work for like 75$

[22:29:07]

at0m|c:

75#

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at0m|c:

fek, %

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Seeker`:

heh

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at0m|c:

Seeker`, i just wanted to exhaust the xmodmap options, since it's waaay easier to set up than lirc :)

[22:36:32]

at0m|c:

yet the .xmodmap is incomplete, so will have to compile some lirc then :>

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Seeker`:

i didn't have to compile any lirc

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Seeker`:

i'm using mythbuntu

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rushfan:

Seeker`: is your distro binary?

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rushfan:

yup thatll do it

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Daviey:

rubbish!

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Seeker`:

Daviey: yeah, its a bit crap :P

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at0m|c:

Seeker`, debian based 64studio here, with home brew kernel..

[22:37:37]

Seeker`:

Daviey: I dont know who could have thought up a rubbish idea like that :P

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rushfan:

64bit gentoo here. homebrew, umm, everything

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sulan:

yay, I figured out how to get the MythTV backend to appear as a upnp media server to PS3... Now it's the issue of "Corrupted Data" when I try to play a video show

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at0m|c:

sulan, tried some different file types? (xvid, divx, mpeg,...)

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Toxicity999:

justinh if you're interested I slapped my forehead and realized I could just ssh aplay for a nice ping sound, so I got it working well.

[22:40:21]

xris:

sulan: are you recording mpg or nuv?

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sulan:

at0m|c: they are all files pulled off DVB-T, so it should be MPEG-2

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Toxicity999:

It's a bit hackish, but a really nice looking result.

[22:41:08]

sulan:

(that's what the PS3 thinks they are)

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sulan:

2008-01–16 23:38:13.467 SendResponseFile( /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1050_20071227005000.mpg ) Error: 32 [Broken pipe]

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sulan:

2008-01–16 23:38:13.487 HttpWorkerThread::ProcessWork socket(15) – Error returned from SendResponse... Closing connection

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iamlindoro__:

GreyFoxx would be the one to say, but I think uPnP to the PS3 won't allow AC3

[22:42:36]

iamlindoro__:

so if it has AC3 audio track, you may get that

[22:43:19]

iamlindoro__:

I thought I recalled him saying PS3 would only take an MP2 audio track

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sulan:

okay. I seriously doubt it that the shows I've been trying with have AC3 sound tracks... but of course, it depends on the broadcaster

[22:43:54]

sulan:

any idea how I can look it up? (any tool?)

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iamlindoro__:

ffmpeg -i inputfile

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sulan:

Stream #0.0[0x47d]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 720x576, 15000 kb/s, 25.00 fps(r)

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sulan:

Stream #0.1[0x47c]: Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 192 kb/s

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iamlindoro__:

hmm... the other possibility is that the PTS's are damaged, and while myth will play it, other things are more tempermental

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directhex:

it ought to work

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directhex:

dvb-t works most of the time for me on the ps3

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iamlindoro__:

Yeah, but if his provider is like mine, even with perfect signal it's sent out slightly broken

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iamlindoro__:

ie, they're muxing a slightly broken stream

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sulan:

my signal is a far cry from perfect...

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iamlindoro__:

That may do it too :)

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sulan:

Could the PS3 be complaining of the network speed perhaps? It's running on 11g now, I don't think that's enough for the bitrate of the video I'm attempting to play

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directhex:

does the video start playing at all?

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sulan:

nope

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directhex:

trunk or 0.20.2?

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sulan:

0.20.2+fixes15346–0ubuntu0~mythbuntu1

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sulan:

not a frame, it take about 2–3 seconds before showing the message

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sulan:

*takes

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directhex:

strange. must be something about your stream the ps3 disagrees with

[22:58:03]

directhex:

though it's IMMENSELY fragile. r.e. compliant files

[22:58:18]

directhex:

no more buffer overflows in sony firmwares, no siree

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sulan:

:D

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sulan:

(I hope you're ironic)

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sulan:

I'm attempting to copy it to the PS3 machine's harddrive and playing it locally

[22:59:33]

sulan:

that'll take some time, though

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Faw:

is there a way to see if mythtvfrontend is talking with lirc? I configured the mac mini remote, I can see the button presses when I run irw, but it does nothing on mythtv

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Faw:

my .lircrc *seems* ok (first time I use lirc)

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iamlindoro__:

mythtv uses ~/.mythtv/lircrc, not ~/.lircrc

[23:02:05]

iamlindoro__:

no preceding dot, and in the .mythtv directory

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Faw:

yes in mythbuntu it's redirected to a .lircrc

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iamlindoro__:

if you're using mythbuntu, they your myth is certainly compiled for lirc

[23:03:20]

iamlindoro__:

did you write your own, or use their generator?

[23:03:56]

Faw:

.mythtv/lircrc -> ~/.lircrc, i checked that, I wrote my own (based on a sample)

[23:04:21]

iamlindoro__:

So just use their generator, and edit it

[23:04:23]

mzb:

iamlindoro: read the logs?

[23:04:42]

iamlindoro__:

mzb: Yes, thank you! Have yet to try it out, am hoping to tonight

[23:04:44]

mzb:

solution: irrecord SONY12.conf

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mzb:

ok

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iamlindoro__:

did you just get the sony conf from the lirc course?

[23:05:23]

iamlindoro__:

er source

[23:05:30]

mzb:

yes

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iamlindoro__:

cool. Will get that then

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Faw:

all I'm trying is just one button (to see if it works), the Ok button. the logs say nothing, I know it's reading the lircrc, because if I add an invalid command it complains (in the logs), otherwise it says nothing

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iamlindoro__:

pastebin your lircd.conf and your lircrc

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javatexan2:

iamlindoro__ how ya doing?

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iamlindoro__:

javatexan2, Good thank you, you?

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javatexan2:

iamlindoro__ good here, still messing with this process of moving files to a dir via perl

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javatexan2:

I do the move the file doesn't show up and the orig is being deleted....weird

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iamlindoro__:

perl makes my brain hurt, I'll stick to BASH :)

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javatexan2:

I don't remember bash....sorry

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javatexan2:

been years......

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iamlindoro__:

I can hack on perl if necessary but I wouldn't want to stake much on my abilities

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javatexan2:

cant remember how to check if a process worked in bash

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jams:

javatexan2 $? is the status code of the last command

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Faw:

ok, did the pastebin

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iamlindoro__:

Ok... did you want to share it?

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iamlindoro__:

ie, the link?

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Faw:

http://pastebin.com/m2a9c0624

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jams:

ah reading back you don't care about bash as your doing something in perl

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iamlindoro__:

Faw, And lircd.conf?

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Faw:

http://pastebin.com/d35af9f39

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iamlindoro__:

Faw, this lircrc is jacked up

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iamlindoro__:

You are making config = to things get bound to, not the keys themselves

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iamlindoro__:

er the things keys get

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iamlindoro__:

try making config = P

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iamlindoro__:

for the ok button

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iamlindoro__:

that will make it play/pause

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iamlindoro__:

Or if you want it to be the general OK, ie within the menus, make config = Return

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Faw:

hmm, so the config is not the setting in the lircrc.conf?

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iamlindoro__:

button is the thing in lircd.conf

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iamlindoro__:

config = keybinding

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javatexan2:

okay where do I find this.....I want to write a bash script to process each file in a directory/ 1)rename with more computer friendly names 2) convert file using mencoder 3) mv file to another directory 4) remove old files.

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Faw:

doh, no wonder!!

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iamlindoro__:

ergo, for your ok button, it should be:

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iamlindoro__:

button = PLAY_PAUSE

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Faw:

so it would be button=PLAY_PAUSE config=Enter

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iamlindoro__:

config = Return

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sulan:

What do I need to to, to get the mythbackend upnp service to expose music? It's a backend-only machine...

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Faw:

ok, i'll try that

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iamlindoro__:

yup

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Faw:

ok, is working, thanks :)

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iamlindoro__:

np

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xand:

hmm, mythweb could do with a load of "record this" checkboxes on the search results page

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xris:

xand: except what do you mean by "record this"... one, findone, title match, always, etc

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xand:

well... "record this showing" c.c

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iamlindoro__:

Unless it were a dropdown... ie Don't record, record once, Season pass

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh, looks likw winders vista media center does not support clear qam

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iamlindoro__:

and just an "update" at the bottom

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xand:

I'd prefer radio buttons for less clicking :D

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xand:

but that would take more space

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xris:

iamlindoro: would be better to have a little ajaxy thing with common options and a link to "advanced recording options"

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iamlindoro__:

xris, True, that would be sexy

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xris:

but it's not going to happen soon. .21 is too close on the horizon and I have too much work to do just getting ready for that (along with new mythtv.org and SD stuff)

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xris:

mythweb source is a bit of a message the moment. kormoc checked in his php bindings code, but it's only partially hooked up.

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CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: i need some cheap qam modulators :P

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EnderTheThird:

damn. i finally got that bt878 card's sound to work, but the quality is atrocious.

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wireddd:

is there any kind of web based viewer yet?

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ineti:

hi

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ineti:

iam running mythtv on my ubuntu box as backend and frontend....always when iam watchin live tv, mythtv records the stream until i change the channel, when the channel is changend mythtv starts to record that channel to, any ideas to stop that?

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EnderTheThird:

ineti: that's how mythtv handles live tv

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EnderTheThird:

it records as you change channels, which allows you to pause and rewind live tv and all that. if you don't want those temporary "LiveTV" recordings to show in your recordings, there's a setting to disable them from showing up

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fryfrog:

ineti: you probably don't like that they are showing up in recordings, right?

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sulan:

gaaaaaah

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ineti:

EnderTheThird: and how long does it record? i don wanna have them into my recordings and i want to delete them directly after changing the channel

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sulan:

it works if I copy the file locally to the PS3!

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fryfrog:

just make sure the expiration is set high (fast)

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EnderTheThird:

it will delete them soon enough. they won't be hogging up space if that's what you're afraid of

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ineti:

what does high mean in minutes? :)

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sulan:

iamlindoro: ^^

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fryfrog:

ineti: they only record while you are on the channel, then they'll be deleted in an hour, i think

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fryfrog:

you can probably lower that if you want

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ineti:

ok and how can i disable that they show up in recordings?

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fryfrog:

not sure if you can or not, but they should be in their own group

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EnderTheThird:

ineti: you using the version taht came with Ubuntu, right? (.20–2)

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ineti:

yes

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EnderTheThird:

let me check the FE settings. i'm pretty sure they're not there by default though.

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ineti:

my first day with mythtv :) streaming works even perfect to my mac...the reason why i used mythtv, allthough i was happy with my windows htpc

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fryfrog:

ineti: if you hit M while you are in the viewing screen, i *think* you can switch to different views

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ineti:

cant i configure this at the backend?

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fryfrog:

no, i think it is a per-frontend setting

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fryfrog:

i guess the idea is that you might be watching live tv, then realize "hey, i'd like to go back and watch that" or something

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fryfrog:

the real solution is to stop watching live tv, which you'll do as soon as you have a lot of recordings done.

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EnderTheThird:

In General settings under TV Settings, you can select the LiveTV Recordings Max Age (default is 1 day) before they're deleted automatically

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EnderTheThird:

let me check on listing them in program guide

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ineti:

cant see an option when i press m

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ineti:

that could fit to my problem

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mzb:

ineti: m -> "Change Group View" -> "Show Watch List"

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sulan:

immensely annoying!

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ineti:

i dont have this option

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EnderTheThird:

mzb: i think watch list is SVN only

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ineti:

ok i set a password

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ineti:

thx a lot

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