Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, January 12th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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neb_:

actually, thats probably more of an alsa problem

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sn9:

blackest: i thought the point of the i915 branch was xvmc

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justinh:

it ignores the mode I set in xorg.conf so I have a startup script run xrandr to set it to 800x600 – need to do that anyway to force it to set the tv out margins & tv standard

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sn9:

justinh: i force hsync as a workaround

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blackest:

sn9 i have the 915 chipset and when i did a clean install with gutsy the experimental driver made problems for me with skype video

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clever[rev]:

some1 on discovery channel started the recording a second early:O

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clever[rev]:

the first second of daily planet sounds like some1 taking a breath into the microphone:P

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blackest:

its working fine as a frontend with the old i810 driver

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sn9:

blackest: gutsy has the i915 branch? i don't think so...

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justinh:

still getting "(II) intel(0): Output TV using initial mode 1024x768". 1024x768 isn't even in the list of modes I want

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jams:

justinh- i ran into the same problem with that intel driver.

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sn9:

justinh: look at the list of modes it actually tries. is the one you want in there?

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blackest:

it has the intel experimental mode setting driver

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jams:

in the end i moved back to xorg server 1.3 with the intel driver.

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sn9:

blackest: but not the i915 branch

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: you got a min to help me out with that bt878?

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blackest:

ok your right :)

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riddlebox:

iamlindoro, how would I go about trying to get a remote to work that is on the back of a card?

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justinh:

I don't mind having to use xrandr but for the slightly annoying fact that mythfrontend seems to change screen res when it stops playback. see a bit of the X background briefly then it jumps back

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clever[rev]:

sn9: im having trouble with my 848 here also now

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clever[rev]:

[17184573.004000] bttv: disagrees about version of symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog

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clever[rev]:

[17184573.004000] bttv: Unknown symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog

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justinh:

it mentions 800x600 but complains the refresh rate is out of spec etc

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justinh:

(II) intel(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (vrefresh out of range) – or (II) intel(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)

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sn9:

justinh: widen the hsync and vrefresh ranges by 2 on each side

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: don't ask to ask, just ask

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justinh:

sn9: nope. maybe it's looking for EDID info – which it aint gonna find cos there's no monitor connected

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sn9:

justinh: doesn't matter

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sn9:

trust me

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justinh:

sn9: tried. still no dice

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sn9:

still out of range?

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clever[rev]:

sn9: now that i have the ivtv drivers installed the bt848 card is dead

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justinh:

sn9: yup

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sn9:

justinh: expand the range more

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neb_:

hm, very strange

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sn9:

clever[rev]: mismatched kernel module versions

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clever[rev]:

sn9: from the error i pasted above it looks like the v4l modules are too new now(relative to the bttv)

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sn9:

bttv *is* v4l

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clever[rev]:

i thought the bttv/ivtv drivers used a v4l layer to maintain a uniform api to userspace

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sn9:

clever[rev]: ivtv is not really v4l

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: do i need snd-bt87x module running for sound?

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lime4x4:

what all has to be done to access a mythtv box with a remote mythtv front-end?

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clever[rev]:

EnderTheThird: probly only if you want to use the sound going into the capture card

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blackest:

ok in theory i now have mythtv built and installed from svn

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clever[rev]:

EnderTheThird: i didnt even bother and i fed sound into a normal sound card(lazy:P)

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justinh:

hey I know.. if I just let X run at 1024x768 – no skin off my nose tbh. I'll see if it avoids the dirty desktop reveal tomorrow

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: if you don't use the cable, yes

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blackest:

so what now as i made a pigs ear out of getting it setup

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EnderTheThird:

ok

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EnderTheThird:

and then in mythtv-setup, i set it to 48000 sampling rate and to use /dev/adsp1?

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lime4x4:

my mythbuntu box runs both the front and backend i installed myth front-end on my gutsy box but when i launch it never connects to the data base

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: it's usually adsp1, but not always. also change all audio sampling rates in the frontend to 48000

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lime4x4:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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lime4x4:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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lime4x4:

2008-01–11 19:18:26.333 DB Error (KickDatabase):

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lime4x4:

Query was:

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lime4x4:

SELECT NULL;

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lime4x4:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

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lime4x4:

2008-01–11 19:18:30.184 Unable to connect to database!

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lime4x4:

2008-01–11 19:18:30.184 Driver error was [1/1045]:

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lime4x4:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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lime4x4:

Database error was:

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lime4x4:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.1.151' (using password: YES)

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iamlindoro_:

aw jeez

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EnderTheThird:

alright. it's going a little slow now. i should wait until i get there tomorrow night, but i'm bored now, heh

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iamlindoro_:

pastebin that shit

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sn9:

lime4x4: set the PIN

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lime4x4:

to what?

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sn9:

0000

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iamlindoro_:

He's running .20.2, there is no pin, is there?

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sn9:

oh, .20

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lime4x4:

iamlindoro sorry i didn't realize it was that big

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sn9:

i thought it was trunk

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** iamlindoro_ doesn't really know wht's in and not in .20.2, he never used it **

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: /dev/dsp is the only one showing up right now. i've gotten /dev/adsp1 to show up before, but it's not there now for some reason

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: type it

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iamlindoro_:

lime4x4: two things to check. First, that the user running frontend has mysql.txt with appropriate user, sb and password info

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: alrigth. doing FE stuff now

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iamlindoro_:

lime4x4: Second, that on your backend the my.cnf file in /etc/mysql has bind-address set to a real address, and not to localhost or 127.0.0.1

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lime4x4:

i changed the address on the backend to 192.168.1.10

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iamlindoro_:

lime4x4: third, that on your backend, the backend refers to itself by real IP (ie 192.168.something.something) and not 127.0.0.1 or localhost in mythtv-setup step 1, General

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kambei:

Is there some sort of sound daemon that provide a form of limiting and/or compressions (a "smart sound" type of feature)?

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kambei:

s/provide/provides/

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iamlindoro_:

lime4x4, finally, there's a chance that the mythtv mysql user is only allowed to access the database on localhost, and not from anywhere

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sn9:

kambei asks a good question; i wanna know, too

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lime4x4:

ok thanks

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iamlindoro_:

#alsa would probably know better

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justinh:

kambei: JACK

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sn9:

justinh: what about pulse?

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justinh:

I've tried to get JACK to work with mythfrontend many times. no worky. not as simple as you'd think I'm afraid

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blackest:

iamlindoro i have got to the point where mythtv is installed but first i dont think i have a mythtv-user

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justinh:

pulseaudio isn't supported in 0.20.x AFAIK

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iamlindoro_:

Wow! This Backlit MCE remote is so much better! Heh, now to grind the "Zalman" logo off...

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: ok, let's take a look

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blackest:

i probably don't have a database either...

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: mysql -u root -p

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Aval0n:

is SVN anywhere close to being good enough to be released as 21.0?

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: and put in your mysql root password

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sn9:

justinh: but is pulse capable of that instead of jack?

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kambei:

iamlindoro: That's a good point.

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kambei:

justinh: Well, it's a starting point. Thank you.

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blackest:

ok currently none (yes i know)

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** iamlindoro_ loves getting credit for keeping his mouth shut ;) **

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: Huh?

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justinh:

sn9: yeah it can use LADSPA plugins as far as I know

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blackest:

there is no root password

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iamlindoro_:

oh, ok

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iamlindoro_:

no biggie, you can fix that on your own later

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sn9:

kambei: ok, so pulse is your answer

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iamlindoro_:

you at a mysql prompt?

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blackest:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

USE mythconverg;

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justinh:

sn9: no, pulseaudio won't work with mythtv 0.20.x

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iamlindoro_:

and see if it errors or OKs

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kambei:

sn9, justinh: You rock.

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sn9:

justinh: trunk > .20

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justinh:

so?

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sn9:

in any case

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blackest:

ok it says database changed

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: you know where the sampling rate is in frontend for .20–2?

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: ok, interesting

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iamlindoro_:

USE mysql;

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iamlindoro_:

drop mythconverg;

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: not offhand, but in trunk, recording profiles

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justinh:

and IIRC the last mailing list entry about pulseaudio in mythtv left some doubt as to whether it's actually supported or not. somebody is looking at it IIRC

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iamlindoro_:

and tell me if it OKs all that

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sn9:

justinh: hopefully before a .21 release, it can get reviewed

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kambei:

sn9: Pulse is along the lines of ESD?

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blackest:

ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'mythconverg' at line 1

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sn9:

kambei: pulse can use esd

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justinh:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3598

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iamlindoro_:

Erm, maybe it's DROP database mythconverg;

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sn9:

pulse and jack take concepts like esd to the next level

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iamlindoro_:

w/ word database in there

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kambei:

sn9: Pulse is not a sound daemon?

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blackest:

query ok 73 rows effected

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sn9:

it is

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iamlindoro_:

great

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iamlindoro_:

ok, quit

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kambei:

Okay.

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iamlindoro_:

ok, good. now cd /path/to/your/mythtvsource/database/

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kambei:

sn9: I am going to RTM

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sn9:

so is jack

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justinh:

kambei: anyway if you get JACK to work for you, make a wiki article. I planned to

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iamlindoro_:

(ie, directory "database" under your mythtv source dir)

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justinh:

kambei: kept reporting sample rate mismatches for me

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blackest:

yep

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iamlindoro_:

mythtv -u root -p < mc.sql

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iamlindoro_:

*exactly* like that

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justinh:

kambei: I have a feeling I was this close.. ''

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iamlindoro_:

And it should return and ok

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iamlindoro_:

just back to the command line

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riddlebox:

iamlindoro, how would I get a remote control to work if it is on the back of a pci card? hopefully it is possible

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blackest:

no that started mythtv and its cant connect to database routine

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justinh:

woo read down that ticket. been fixed already

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iamlindoro_:

riddlebox: Varies per card, check the linuxtv.org wiki

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: my fuck up, sorry

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iamlindoro_:

mysql -u root -p < mc.sql

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iamlindoro_:

not mythtv, brain fart

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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justinh:

ho

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iamlindoro_:

let's go

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blackest:

ok entered blank for password and it returned to command line

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iamlindoro_:

now try mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

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iamlindoro_:

and you should get a mysql prompt

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blackest:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

beautiful, quit

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iamlindoro_:

you now have a virgin mythtv DB

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iamlindoro_:

mythtv-setup, set up everything, and *before* you start the db, come back and tell me you're ready

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iamlindoro_:

er before you start the backend, that is

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blackest:

ok so try mythtv-setup or do i need to create the mythtv-user

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: you mean the mythtv SQL user? That was created by mc.sql

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iamlindoro_:

so for mythtv-setup, use user mythtv, password mythtv

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: what codec should it be using? RTJPEG or MPEG?

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blackest:

no i meant the mythtv user on that system

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iamlindoro_:

(for db access in section 1, General)

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: Any user who is part of the video group can use mythtv, doesn't need a specific user

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black_Nightmare_:

I know this sound like a bit crazy question heh but how many retail vhs/dvd's do any of you in here have? ^_^

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xand:

10 billion.

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: And who has access to all the correct directories, that is

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blackest:

hmm well still not allowing a connection to the database

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jams:

black_Nightmare_- about 100 vhs 50 dvd

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iamlindoro_:

Did it let you into mythtv-setup?

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iamlindoro_:

to the point where it asks you your language, etc?

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blackest:

it would do but it doesnt find a backend

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black_Nightmare_:

jams...heh damn...you each each of these at time? :p

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: mythtv-setup doesn't need the backend running

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: Whichever user you are using right now, go to their home directory

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jams:

black_Nightmare_- each each ?

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blackest:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

nano .mythtv/mysql.txt

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black_Nightmare_:

err...silly fingers...

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black_Nightmare_:

you watch each of*

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Faw:

hello, I installed mythbuntu on a mac mini, but the remote doesn't seem to work, even though evtest /dev/input/eventx works ok

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iamlindoro_:

and make sure the db name is set to mythconverg, the user is mythtv, and the password is mythtv

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jams:

i don't really watch them..they are my wifes

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iamlindoro_:

and that the dbhost is set to this new box's IP address, or localhost

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blackest:

it is and the dbhostname is 192.168.2.6

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Faw:

in the syslog it seems mythtv connects and disconnects immediatly from /dev/lircd

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jams:

along withthe shelf of cd's

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iamlindoro_:

ok, is that the box you are on?

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blackest:

yes

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blackest:

i am ssh into it

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iamlindoro_:

ok, that's fine...

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iamlindoro_:

save and quit

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iamlindoro_:

locate mythtv-setup

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black_Nightmare_:

jams heh ok

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iamlindoro_:

and make sure there's only one in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin

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black_Nightmare_:

hard to imagine how you're storing 150 cases but I wouldn't ask :p

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blackest:

/usr/share/app-install/desktop/mythtv-setup.desktop

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blackest:

/usr/bin/mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro_:

blackest, before we go further, make sure libqt3-mt-mysql is installed

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iamlindoro_:

w/ apt-get

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blackest:

ok it is now

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iamlindoro_:

hehe, wasn't before?

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iamlindoro_:

if not, mythtv-setup ought to work now

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blackest:

it wasn't before

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iamlindoro_:

so try mythtv-setup

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blackest:

no its still in that loop again

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iamlindoro_:

pastebin the output

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iamlindoro_:

you're not sudoing it, right?

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iamlindoro_:

just running it as whatever user you are right now?

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iamlindoro_:

may want to check /etc/mysql/mysql.txt and make sure that is identical to the other one and try again

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blackest:

yes just mythtv-setup on the command line

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iamlindoro_:

in fact, locate mysql.txt and change any and all of them to match the new parameters

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blackest:

http://pastebin.ca/851550

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iamlindoro_:

What's ubuntu2000.Consulatelan?

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iamlindoro_:

blackest, pastebin your /etc/hosts please

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Aval0n:

anyone running current svn?

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iamlindoro_:

Aval0n: yes

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Aval0n:

stable?

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iamlindoro_:

many of us, actually

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Faw:

can anyone give me a hand with the apple mac mini remote?

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Aval0n:

I an running one from about amonth ago

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justinh:

seen 'stable' crash more than trunk fwiw

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Aval0n:

some bugs in it

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iamlindoro_:

stable-ish, there are occasional surprises... it's not ready for primetime, but it's good if you can solve problems

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iamlindoro_:

But SVN solves more problems than it creates IMO

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Aval0n:

the one I'm running, screen saver will fade to black even if you are doing things in the menu

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justinh:

as long as you keep up to date with the -dev & commits mailing lists & have a clue what you're doing.. but then you shouldn't be using trunk if that isn't the case anyway!

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iamlindoro_:

That's not myth's fault, it's your WM's

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blackest:

its blank

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: those are video — i meant the audio sampling rate on the next page

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: your hosts files is *blank*???

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Aval0n:

it was interesting getting trunk up

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blackest:

no it isnt sorry

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iamlindoro_:

sure it's not a typo??

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Aval0n:

I actually upgraded 20.2 to trunk

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Aval0n:

probably a mistake but it was easy (shrug)

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: it never happened in 20.2

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iamlindoro_:

what never happened?

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Aval0n:

screen saver fade to black

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iamlindoro_:

still not myth's fault

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Aval0n:

ok

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blackest:

updated the pastebin

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iamlindoro_:

myth has zip to do with your WM's screen fade

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Aval0n:

does myth tell imps what to respect

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Aval0n:

it

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: It will have a new link

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Aval0n:

ipms

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Aval0n:

or wutever

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justinh:

dpms

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Aval0n:

yeah that

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justinh:

Aval0n: yeah myth is aware

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riddlebox:

iamlindoro, I cant find out on linuxtv.org about getting a remote to work which is on the back of a card?

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justinh:

Aval0n: maybe your wm doesn't obey

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blackest:

i added to the bottom of the first pastebin

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: i gave up on it for now (way too slow to go through those menus over VNC), but even when i typed in /dev/adsp1, it wouldn't keep that option there

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iamlindoro_:

riddlebox: yes, it will tell you if the remote is supported

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: No, that changes the link

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: When you update and paste, it gives you a new link

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EnderTheThird:

i manually loaded the snd-bt87x module as well, but it wouldn't show up

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blackest:

http://pastebin.ca/851553

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: did you check both lsmod and dmesg? is your card whitelisted?

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blackest:

the /etc/mysql.txt was wrong so i rewrote it to match mythtv ect

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: let's do this

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: mysql -uroot -p mythconverg

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iamlindoro_:

and hang on a sec

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blackest:

ok i'm at a mysql prompt

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iamlindoro_:

blackest, try this:

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iamlindoro_:

grant all privileges on *.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv" with grant option;

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blackest:

Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.01 sec)

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iamlindoro_:

hmmm.... can't remember if that needs UPDATE

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iamlindoro_:

well, let's just try this first

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iamlindoro_:

flush privileges;

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iamlindoro_:

quit

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: results of dmesg | grep bt after loading snd-bt87x: (if pastebin will work)....

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iamlindoro_:

and see if mythtv-setup will come up

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: don't grep

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EnderTheThird:

anyone know an alternative to pastebin.ca or pastebin.com?

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: Ah! I know what I screwed up

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iamlindoro_:

mysql -uroot -p mysql

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: i think putty will cut off a good bit of the output if i don't

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iamlindoro_:

do THAT instead

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iamlindoro_:

then

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iamlindoro_:

grant all privileges on *.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv" with grant option;

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blackest:

ah this looks promising

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: Oh, if that worked then never mind ;)

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blackest:

getting that way its different

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: try anyway

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iamlindoro_:

what do you have?

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: i'll post what didn't get cut. but i can't seem to get pastebin to go. it's crawling

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: there it goes. http://pastebin.ca/851559

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mzb:

is the length (in time) of a recorded show stored anywhere? (I don't mean start & end times) ... even worse ... is the time of the recorded show stored once it's been transcode? (ie. after cutlist, etc)

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blackest:

its upgraded schema to 1205

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mzb:

EnderTheThird: http://openpaste.org

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iamlindoro_:

mzb, I know that it's calculated by doing # of frames / fps = length, but that may be done on the fly

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mzb:

err

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: OK, good.... now are you in mythtv-setup?

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iamlindoro_:

mzb: Which is why so many of the lengths are borked :)

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** iamlindoro_ gives up on answers from blackest **

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: it gives me an error when probing, but the card seems to be detecting fine

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EnderTheThird:

[ 37.593590] bt878: probe of 0000:02:05.1 failed with error -22

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mzb:

iamlindoro: I've got a method where I've been using a dummy playlist file within the videos dir, which is associated with a play command

[01:04:24]

mzb:

eg. with Music videos, the play command fills the playlist with (5 iterations of) shuffled music videos and then plays it with xine

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iamlindoro_:

mzb: ok... cool

[01:04:55]

mzb:

I have another script, which calculates the length of all those music videos and adjusts the length of the "dummy playlist" in the db

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mzb:

now, however, I've done another playlist script ... which dynamically creates a list of all Kiah's favourite shows and plays them (5 x shuffled)

[01:06:07]

mzb:

problem there is that these are recorded (and normally transcoded) shows

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mzb:

and I don't want to have to run mplayer over them each time

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blackest:

what do i need for storage directories /var/lib/mythtv/recordings

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iamlindoro_:

mzb: Hmm, yeah, that's the only thing I can think of

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iamlindoro_:

mzb: you could awk it out of ffmpeg -i I suppose

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iamlindoro_:

mzb: It would be wicked quick

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EnderTheThird:

now awk it out awk it out awk it out

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: Wherever you want to write recordings that your user has read/write privileges to

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: Shall I assume that the answer to my question is "yes?"

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: "Yes, iamlindoro, I am in mythtv-setup?"

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blackest:

i think its default for myth i can fix permissions in a bit

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blackest:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: mythtv-setup will bitch at you if that directory a) does not exist and b) is not writable

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mzb:

iamlindoro: hmm ... I might be able to get a quick approximation with filesize ... but that sounds a bit crude ;)

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iamlindoro_:

mzb: Especially if you are getting anything via DVB-T, in which case it's useless

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blackest:

ok its just bitchin about the startin channel atm

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iamlindoro_:

as bitrates will vary

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mzb:

iamlindoro: ok ... installing ffmpeg now (damn it!;)

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iamlindoro_:

mzb: Heh, I figured that was a yes ;)

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: [ 37.593570] bt878_probe: card id=[0x263610b4], Unknown card.

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: i saw that, but it sees the card above that and IDs it

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tjcarter:

heh, I have an email here from a blind guy asking about DVRs a totally blind guy can use..

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** tjcarter sortof had some interest in that, but other things came up **

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iamlindoro_:

once myth is on qt4, that should be fairly trivial, from what I understand

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blackest:

ok no backend startup script in init.d

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: it's not whitelisted for audio; you need to override

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: That's not a big deal, you can just get one from your other machine, update it to include the location where you installed myth, and update your rc

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: ok. how do i do that?

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: which distro?

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: but for testing, you can go mythbackend -d

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: (myth)ubuntu 7.10

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: and it will start it up in that window

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: Did you install with prefix /usr, or /usr/local?

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: need a little more detail than that, heh :)

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: find this line: options snd-bt87x index=-2

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EnderTheThird:

i see it

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: add "load_all=1" to the end of it

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: ok, anything to restart for that to take effect?

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: yes, the kernel ;->

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sn9:

rmmod might not always work

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: you mean just reboot, or something more?

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blackest:

usr

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: not very experienced with all the module work here, heh

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: http://www.pastebin.ca/851576

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: Paste that into a file called mythtv-backend

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: save it. then run chmod +x mythtv-backend

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iamlindoro_:

cp mythtv-backend /etc/init.d/

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iamlindoro_:

cd /etc/init.d

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iamlindoro_:

update-rc.d mythtv-backend defaults

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iamlindoro_:

voila, you should now have a working backend script

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Faw:

can anyone help me with lirc? irw is giving me 'error reading '/dev/input/event7', but if I do 'evtest /dev/input/event7' i can see the remote control events

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iamlindoro_:

You should be able to sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start (assuming you have killed all other instances of the backend) and you can check that it started properly with tail /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: Ah, one more thing

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iamlindoro_:

in that file, change line 20, USER=mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

to USER=root

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: An acknowledgement any time now would be fine

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: SYN

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cafuego:

source-quench

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iamlindoro_:

har har... a simple ACK would be fine if he expects further packets

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Faw:

anyone? no lircd experts here? :(

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blackest:

chown: `mythtv': invalid user

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overridex:

EnderTheThird: i think you can just run sudo update-modules then rmmod snd-bt87x and modprobe snd-bt87x

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blackest:

sorry i was editing it got line numbers

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: continue reading above

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iamlindoro_:

you need to change line 20 to USER=root

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blackest:

done it

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iamlindoro_:

now does the script start?

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blackest:

yes thats ok

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iamlindoro_:

then you should be all set

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blackest:

i am just starting a very slow frontend

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: it still gives me that same error when probing

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iamlindoro_:

anything else should be a very basic myth issue, it appears you are all set and running

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iamlindoro_:

(it's probably not slow, btw, it has to re-cache themes when you change versions)

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EnderTheThird:

overridex: thanks, but its still being stubborn

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overridex:

EnderTheThird: i haven't gotten mine working either, so i've been hesitating to say anything to steer you wrong :)

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blackest:

beyond it being loaded via ssh to my laptop

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iamlindoro_:

blackest: The fact that it's starting at all means my work is done... I'm going to watch TV

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blackest:

there is just one thing

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: what about dmesg? any diff?

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blackest:

mythweb its not showing up

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iamlindoro_:

that's because it has to be copied manually... Google

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iamlindoro_:

make install doesn't do it

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blackest:

ok where does it want to be httpd docs

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iamlindoro_:

cp -rf mythweb/ /var/www

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iamlindoro_:

byeeeeeeeeeee

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blackest:

thank you very much for your help

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iamlindoro_:

np, later

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: should that be loading the snd-bt87x module on bootup now? I just restarted and it's not loading by default

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blackest:

i hope i get the streaming going after all this

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: hmm. try modprobe with -v

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whodat:

whats the best way to find my digital channels? just keep rotating my antenna and re-scanning the channels within mythtv-setup?

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: i can load it manually with "sudo modprobe snd-bt87x" but otherwise it's not there on "lsmod"

[01:36:21]

sn9:

EnderTheThird: no, with -v

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: ok, did that

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sn9:

did it say load_all?

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: yep

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sn9:

hmm

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/sound/pci/snd-bt87x.ko index=-2 load_all=1

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sn9:

and it doesn't show up in /proc/asound/cards?

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: no, i see it there

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: try removing the "index=-2" and see if it autoloads

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sn9:

if so, /dev/adsp1 should stick in setup

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overridex:

my adsp1 sticks (but i have to type it in manually) but i don't get any audio, just an airy sound... i checked the bt878 in a mixer and it's only setting (capture) is turned up and unmuted...

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: there a way to restart the module loading without restarting the whole computer?

[01:41:55]

sn9:

overridex: it has to be turned *down*, but airy sound isn't right anyway

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overridex:

sn9: down? strange

[01:42:18]

sn9:

EnderTheThird: for pci? not really, i'm afraid

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: alright. hope my cousin isn't trying to use that thing right now or he's probably getting pissed at me restarting it every 2 minutes, heh

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overridex:

sn9: it shows up at card 1 in /proc/asound/cards so i assume adsp1 is the right device to be using...

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mzb:

iamlindoro: do you have a nice method for getting the minute duration from ffmpeg?

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sn9:

overridex: is analog the second function on card 1?

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iamlindoro_:

mzb, I have usually used mplayer -identify, but if you ffmpeg -i filename it, you can awk out the length that way much quicker

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mzb:

hmm

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overridex:

sn9: not sure... how could i find out

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sn9:

overridex: /proc/asound/cards

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mzb:

looks like perl would be a better choice ... but that's beyond me atm ... and running out of time

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sn9:

i think

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iamlindoro_:

mzb: Course... it's not a very friendly format, HH:MM:SS, etc

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overridex:

sn9: hmm just two lines about the card:

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overridex:

1 [Bt878 ]: Bt87x – Brooktree Bt878

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overridex:

Brooktree Bt878 at 0xcfffe000, irq 19

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sn9:

overridex: devices, not cards, sorry

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: know of a way to make mythtv-setup or mythfrontend use qt instead of opengl from cli?

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overridex:

sn9: ok, [1- 0] and [1- 1] are both "digital audio capture" in that... the only other thing listed for 1 is control

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iamlindoro_:

EnderTheThird: mythfrontend -O Themepainter=qt

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: -O ThemePainter=qt

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EnderTheThird:

thanks x2

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sn9:

overridex: try dsp1 instead of adsp1 — might work

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overridex:

sn9: ok, will try...

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: it's giving me dsp1 as an option, but no adsp1

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: type it

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overridex:

sn9: no luck...

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: i did, but it didn't keep

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: even after it autoloads?

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EnderTheThird:

aggravating this is that i know i had adsp1 as an option before when i was messing with his computer before i tried the internal cable

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: it didn't autoload

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: even without index=-2?

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: yep

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EnderTheThird:

let me double check though

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: after restart, snd-bt87x is not loaded and /dev/adsp1 is not there

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mzb:

iamlindoro: must be a better way than: egrep "^[[:space:]]*Duration.*" | awk '{print $2}' | awk -F':|,' '{print int( ($1*60) + $2 + (($3+30)/60) )}'

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mzb:

nasty! ;)

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mzb:

iamlindoro: slightly nicer: egrep "^[[:space:]]*Duration.*" | awk -F ' |:|,' '{print int( ($5*60) + $6 + (($7+30)/60) )}'

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mzb:

all very primitive ... there must be a nicer way

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lime4x4:

anyone here have sirius working thru mythtv?

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lime4x4:

I got sirius to play thru the terminal with no problem i created a button on the main mythtv screen but when i click on it it dumps my myth box back to the desktop

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kmyth:

what do i need to do to make mplayer play 5.1 audio from a 1080p MKV to my optical output?

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kmyth:

its an x264 encode with DTS

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: might have to use /etc/modules, too

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tjcarter:

so just wondering, this new Hauppauge thing that does AVC encoding of component video in hardware... Is Hauppauge likely to do this thing in any way that would be non-difficult for Myth to use?

[02:34:07]

tjcarter:

Generally they've not been terribly helpful overall

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sn9:

tjcarter: yes; the windows driver was largely written by someone in this channel

[02:34:45]

tjcarter:

It was? O_O

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sn9:

for the new thing, yeah

[02:35:39]

tjcarter:

who did it? I have lots of questions about bandwidth on the USB bus and whatnot.

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tjcarter:

I'd want like 2–3 of them ;)

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sn9:

it was mkrufky

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tjcarter:

mkrufky, get in here and answer my questions! ;)

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justinh:

tjcarter: at a max bitrate of 25mbits/sec, plenty of room on da bus

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sn9:

!seen mkrufy

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MythLogBot:

mkrufy has not been seen here

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sn9:

!seen mkrufky

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MythLogBot:

mkrufky was last seen 3 hours 14 minutes 54 seconds ago

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tjcarter:

doh, missed him =)

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justinh:

tjcarter: he can't tell you any more than what's already in the press announcement

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justinh:

because the announcement covers it

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tjcarter:

25mbit shouldn't tax the host CPU too much

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tjcarter:

I'd much prefer FW800

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sn9:

unless it's a 486 ;->

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justinh:

tjcarter: and to say hauppauge haven't been helpful is complete tosh. they've put a lot more in than other manufacturers I could name

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tjcarter:

justinh: that's certainly true, but they haven't exactly been too helpful with random tuners they use and whatnot.

[02:38:44]

tjcarter:

Some of which have been total crap of late.

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tjcarter:

(says the unhappy PVR-500 owner)

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justinh:

besides what you guys find easy to ignore is that fact that Hauppauge don't make the chips. there are usually NDAs & crap which limit licensing & stuff

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justinh:

tjcarter: economic necessity in manufacturing I'm afraid

[02:39:35]

tjcarter:

I know sometimes you have to change tuners

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sn9:

justinh: there are still some blatant anti-hauppauge flames right on the myth wiki

[02:39:46]

justinh:

and again they're not the worst on the block

[02:40:02]

justinh:

sn9: anything defamatory will have to be amended

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tjcarter:

And certainly there are far worse manufacturers, but there are better too.

[02:40:23]

sn9:

better? who?

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justinh:

in terms of tv tuner manufacturers? who?!

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tjcarter:

I don't know about TV tuner manufacturers.

[02:41:00]

justinh:

sure maybe their approach in the beginning was maybe like "linux? who cares?" but they're on board now

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tjcarter:

I was talking about the general sense.

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justinh:

tjcarter: linux driver development is still done by the community by & large

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sn9:

yes, but some mfr's refuse to accept that

[02:42:06]

tjcarter:

some manufacturers write their own drivers.

[02:42:11]

tjcarter:

Sometimes they're even good ;)

[02:42:24]

justinh:

if the new h.264 hw encoders come to linux, great. if not, no amount of yelling will make it happen :P

[02:42:36]

EnderTheThird:

sn9: it's coming up now, after adding to /etc/modules

[02:43:05]

sn9:

tjcarter: sometimes, they undermine the community by doing that

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tjcarter:

justinh: I'm sure AVC encoders will get Linux support. I'm wondering if they'll be crap or not though.

[02:43:34]

sn9:

EnderTheThird: if it's still card 1, try it

[02:43:39]

tjcarter:

sn9: basically, it's a mixed bag.

[02:43:49]

tjcarter:

In general, I mean.

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justinh:

tjcarter: from what I've heard the hauppauge one isn't the only one in the works. my money isn't on the other guys getting it right first

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sn9:

tjcarter: that's why choice in mfr's is good

[02:45:00]

tjcarter:

justinh: HVR-1600 users might be quick to point out that Hauppauge still hasn't gotten that right ;)

[02:45:13]

tjcarter:

and some PVR-500 users like myself could say the same.

[02:45:17]

blackest:

anyone running svn on ubuntu ?

[02:45:31]

tjcarter:

of course, that could just be our community-written drivers

[02:45:52]

justinh:

tjcarter: wtf do you expect with only hobbyists doing it in their spare time. only so many hours in the day, only a handful of guys

[02:46:00]

tjcarter:

I suspect it's just that the hardware is lousy and the support for the tuners was all basically guesswork until recently.

[02:46:02]

blackest:

i'm stuck with mythweb it couldnt be more cryptic

[02:46:04]

sn9:

hvr-1600 and pvr-500 have been out for quite some time, and they don't work any better under windows

[02:46:07]

EnderTheThird:

sn9: workin on it now

[02:46:34]

justinh:

that any hardware works in linux at all is a great advantage to us, and we mostly have hobbyists to thank for that

[02:46:56]

justinh:

tjcarter: and I can't honestly say I've ever been impressed with a TV tuner in windows

[02:47:12]

tjcarter:

justinh: I expect the hobbyists to be given the needed information so that they can do what they do to the best of their ability, without having to poke at it and see what happens.

[02:47:17]

tjcarter:

But that's just me. =)

[02:47:27]

justinh:

linux driver for my cards means they work on linux way better than they ever did on windows. I mean, they work!

[02:47:48]

justinh:

tjcarter: not always possible due to commercial concerns like the aforementioned NDAs

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EnderTheThird:

most of my experience with tv on windows was awful. granted that was with my ATI AIW 9800 Pro, but still

[02:48:35]

justinh:

yeah, here's a license to make this box & sell it as your own but here are some conditions...

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EnderTheThird:

Don't think I ever got into MCE very much

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tjcarter:

justinh: NDA isn't going to cover the interface of a tuner to a video processor chip generally speaking.

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sn9:

tjcarter: it's great when that happens, but uncommon. sometimes, half the fun is when it doesn't

[02:48:59]

tjcarter:

there's not exactly any major trade secrets in there.

[02:49:03]

justinh:

tjcarter: can cover all kinds of things and we'll never know.

[02:49:08]

justinh:

tjcarter: you'd be amazed.

[02:49:14]

tjcarter:

the secrets are all in the metal box, not in the leads coming out of it.

[02:49:23]

tjcarter:

No, I wouldn't be.

[02:49:38]

tjcarter:

I have dealt with enough of that crap.

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justinh:

take the Focus TV encoders for example. you can't get the datasheet from Focus without jumping through a lot of hoops

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Catty2:

hi

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sn9:

ho

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justinh:

a hell of a lot of video processing chips – all you get from the manufacturer is a 2 page brochure these days until their sales guys have talked to your purchasing guys, and both legal depts have swapped signatures

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Catty2:

hey again sn9, this is cattykid from the other night

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: still no adsp1 available in mythtv-setup. entering manually doesn't keep either. i can get dsp1 though

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mzb:

iamlindoro: some of these playlists are quite long, I can see that I'm going to have to add another table ;)

[02:51:37]

EnderTheThird:

sn9: and i still have that probe failure in dmesg

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: is "analog" the second function on card 1 in /proc/asound/devices?

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justinh:

tjcarter: I thought I'd be able to help the v4l guys out a couple of years ago if I could grease the wheels & get a datasheet from conexant. Made the inquiry, a rep from conexant rang our purchasing dept _very_ insistent on knowing what it was for, when they could meet us to discuss numbers. Almost got in big trouble for that

[02:52:57]

justinh:

that's what the linux driver guys are up against. don't put all the blame on the card makers

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: 2: : timer

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justinh:

the chip makers are really all about trying to sell multi thousand dollar dev kits with driver code attached to legal docs these days. there's more money in it

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: all other stuff is digital audio, none of it is analog

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sn9:

however, card makers are up against that, too, and they're equipped to handle it

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justinh:

sn9: yeah if an NDA says driver source must be kept under wraps it's ok – you only deal on Windows :)

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tjcarter:

justinh: in some areas, I expect that to get worse, not better.

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: there's only one non-timer function on card 1?

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tjcarter:

justinh: any fool with access to the data sheets can bypass HDCP, for example.

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justinh:

godknows _why_ they do that. if anything it's limiting sales

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tjcarter:

some fools do ;)

[02:55:45]

tjcarter:

But they generally do it in small enough runs to stay under the radar.

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: it starts with 2: : timer, then 3: :sequencer, then 4–11 are all digital audio with 2 of them being control

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justinh:

tjcarter: I dont doubt for a second that stuffing a few bits up a back channel to flip a register or 10 will work wonders

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sn9:

tjcarter: bypass hdcp? you have no idea what's in those datasheets, do you?

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justinh:

sn9: you know as well as I do matey that the MPAA etc would have whoever leaks the stuff 'disappear' ;)

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sn9:

tjcarter: the whole point of hdcp is to make sure bypasses are not _physically_ possible

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sn9:

tjcarter: they even use linux to do it

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: weird thing is that /dev/adsp1 was created, but it's not letting me select it in mythtv-setup

[03:00:32]

sn9:

EnderTheThird: something's gone wrong. is the bt878 now card 0 or something?

[03:01:05]

tjcarter:

sn9: it's quite possible.

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sn9:

tjcarter: explain

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tjcarter:

sn9: hardware's gotta be able to decrypt the signal to display it right? Other hardware's gotta encrypt the signal to send it out.

[03:02:19]

sn9:

tjcarter: decryption and display are a single step

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: in /proc/asound/cards it's still 1

[03:02:26]

tjcarter:

sn9: it's not.

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sn9:

tjcarter: then it's not hdcp

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seth|laptop:

how does one resolve this issue? Database error was:

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seth|laptop:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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tjcarter:

sn9: I'm telling you, IT HAS BEEN DONE. multiple HDCP inputs, one unencrypted DVI output.

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tjcarter:

in small runs

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sn9:

tjcarter: "small runs" ?

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tjcarter:

totally against all regulations and stuff. If TPTB knew who did it, they'd be in SO MUCH trouble.

[03:04:15]

tjcarter:

dozen or two boxes at a time.

[03:04:30]

tjcarter:

Not enough to actually attract attention.

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seth|laptop:

ah, there we go, needed to change mysql.txt from localhost to dcerouter under hostname

[03:04:43]

EnderTheThird:

seth|laptop: the username and/or password you're using to try to access the mysql database is/are incorrect

[03:04:46]

seth|laptop:

thanks anyways

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EnderTheThird:

or the host was wrong, heh

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sn9:

then the boxes did the decryption, and not any hdcp-compliant equipment

[03:04:59]

seth|laptop:

hehe

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tjcarter:

sn9: that's my point.

[03:05:08]

seth|laptop:

thanks for the response EnderTheThird

[03:05:26]

tjcarter:

HDCP-compliant equipment uses a chip that you and I can't buy and can't get specs for.

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sn9:

tjcarter: i repeat: then it's not hdcp

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mru:

hi all, anyone here using a ps3 to watch mythtv recordings?

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hachi:

I tried it

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tjcarter:

if it uses the same chips, a valid key, etc, who's to say it's not?

[03:06:07]

tjcarter:

Certainly not your other HDCP equipment.

[03:06:11]

EnderTheThird:

seth|laptop: no prob, glad it's working now

[03:06:17]

tjcarter:

That's the point.

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hachi:

the version of mythtv I'm running seems to not speak out to the PS3 in a way that keeps the PS3 happy

[03:06:27]

hachi:

I know that fuppes can do it, at least some of the time

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sn9:

tjcarter: keys aren't worth much without a way to generate them

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mru:

hachi: it was working for me for some time

[03:06:55]

mru:

but recently it's stopped working at all

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tjcarter:

sn9: the keys for HDCP live in hardware.

[03:07:01]

hachi:

dang

[03:07:10]

tjcarter:

sn9: the thing to do is avoid anyone knowing which key was used.

[03:07:26]

sn9:

tjcarter: no, you're thinking of aacs

[03:07:28]

tjcarter:

it could be blacklisted if identified

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mru:

running a little tcpdump it looks like the ps3 requests a file and gets it

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mru:

after a couple of seconds, and without having displayed anything, it declares "corrupted data"

[03:09:05]

mru:

avi files seem to play fine though

[03:09:27]

mru:

as do the ts files if I stick them on a usb flash stick

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tjcarter:

y'know, I'm not arguing this anymore. There are boxes that EVERY blu-ray player out there think are valid HDCP-compliant video devices. They work using the same chips IN the video devices, and they output DVI. You can argue what it is and isn't all you want. (What it actually happens to be is someone's ass on the line for breaking their NDA bigtime)

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sn9:

tjcarter: blu-ray and hdcp have nothing to do with each other; you're thinking of aacs

[03:11:20]

mru:

there are perfectly legal hdcp analysers that will do pretty much anything you want

[03:11:28]

mru:

but they're hard to come by and very expensive

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sn9:

mru: AND they're hdcp-compliant

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tjcarter:

mru: in the realm of, "If you have to ask, you can't have one."

[03:13:01]

mru:

I think there are a few at work (we make settop boxes)

[03:13:08]

mru:

and companies like broadcom certainly have them

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sn9:

broadcom makes chips used in STBs, so naturally

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tjcarter:

mru: but you're certainly not getting to take one home ;)

[03:14:13]

mru:

that would probably not be appreciated...

[03:14:28]

mru:

but I could easily make off with a copy of the hdcp specs...

[03:14:48]

mru:

mind, that doesn't include the keys

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sn9:

of course

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sn9:

hdcp specs aren't under nda, anyway iirc

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am_dragon:

hello

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mru:

don't know about that, never cared much

[03:15:38]

EnderTheThird:

if you haven't heard of Stephen Lynch, turn on Comedy Central rigth now

[03:15:51]

mru:

hdcp is mostly irrelevant

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tjcarter:

mru: but if you worked for a company that made HDTVs and HDMI extenders and the like, you could probably modify the design of one of your extenders to remove the HDCP from the signal before passing out to a DVI port.

[03:16:09]

mru:

of course

[03:16:13]

mru:

that would be simple

[03:16:37]

am_dragon:

I'm trying to install an irblaster using the instructions here: http://losdos.dyndns.org:8080/public/mythtv-i . . . R-HOWTO.html

[03:16:53]

mru:

but why bother? you feed the hdcp input with plain raw video/audio

[03:17:01]

am_dragon:

I'm on Ubuntu so I had to make a few changes to the script, but I'm stuck on the configture.

[03:17:02]

tjcarter:

presuming you worked somewhere that you'd have access to the appropriate chips, keys, and data sheets.

[03:17:03]

mru:

if you have that signal, you may as well skip the encryption

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tjcarter:

in your case you do have the raw signal.

[03:17:39]

tjcarter:

If you don't, you have to make yourself look like a legitimate device for removing the encryption

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am_dragon:

"error: you need to have the Linux Kernel source installed" I do have it installed.

[03:17:50]

tjcarter:

say for connecting to DLP projector

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sn9:

tjcarter: if you can make yourself look like a legitimate device, then you already are one

[03:19:29]

tjcarter:

unless you are a device made by someone risking major legal trouble.

[03:19:39]

mru:

I guess I'm looking at it mostly from a playback point of view

[03:19:55]

mru:

I have no interest in building a device with an hdcp input

[03:20:19]

mru:

any lcd or plasma screen on sale has it anyway

[03:20:51]

tjcarter:

mru: the point is to go from HDMI+HDCP to straight DVI for whatever you want.

[03:21:16]

sn9:

tjcarter: to make a single such device would cost thousands of dollars. cost can only be reduced through volume, and nobody with that kind of volume would ever take the risk

[03:21:38]

tjcarter:

sn9: couple hundred, in quantities of a couple dozen

[03:21:46]

mru:

tjcarter: you're assuming that for some reason you're stuck with an hdcp encoded signal

[03:21:50]

justinh:

anyway guys as well as getting way OT, it's also talking about defeating copy protection. people have been booted for less

[03:22:20]

tjcarter:

mru: you are if you don't know what the source of the signal is at the time you're designing the device ;)

[03:22:36]

mru:

if it can be "defeated", it isn't really a copy protection, now is it?

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tjcarter:

for that matter, I don't know how to get rid of the HDCP on my sa3250HD

[03:22:49]

tjcarter:

DRM usually works out that way ;)

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iamlindoro:

That's like saying just because you can get killed in armor it isn't protection

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sn9:

mru: the point is that it cannot, except by non-technical means

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iamlindoro:

It may not be *effective*, but it's not called copy *proof*

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justinh:

I really wouldn't mind DRM if it actually afforded some reasonable rights to users – but it doesn't. if they would only cut us some slack & really go down on pirates hard... hahahahaha

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sn9:

iamlindoro: 5C *is* copy-proof

[03:24:30]

iamlindoro:

sn9: So far ;)

[03:24:42]

iamlindoro:

sn9: And I wasn't responding to anything you said anyway

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justinh:

am_dragon: you might have more joy in #ubuntu-mythtv. it's all gone Pete Tong in here

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sn9:

iamlindoro: the only way to win the game is not to play

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mru:

drm is nothing but security by obscurity

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sn9:

sorry, but that movie was on the other night

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mru:

everybody knows that

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sn9:

mru: hdcp is tc, not drm

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iamlindoro:

Heheh, 5C is copy proof sounds like "AACS will last for 50 years" and "640k of RAM should be enough for anyone"

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mru:

5c?

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iamlindoro:

mru: It's the cable company encryption scheme

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sn9:

iamlindoro: 5C/hdcp is in no way anything like aacs

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mru:

which cable company?

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sn9:

mru: all of them

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sn9:

it's also called hdcp

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iamlindoro:

nobody called them analogous, I'm making a point about absolute statements

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mru:

uh, there are many encryption schemes used for cable tv

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sn9:

iamlindoro: my statement is not absolute; i made a notable exception

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tjcarter:

iamlindoro: are you saing you need more than 640k?

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iamlindoro:

mru: 5C refers to the encryption standard agreed upon by the five largest US cable companies... True that there are other schemes of course, just that it is what the vast majority of americans are likely to face

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iamlindoro:

tjcarter: or a pantload of swap ;)

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iamlindoro:

tjcarter: Besides, I'm sure many of our fondest memories are of machines with far less

[03:29:52]

mru:

iamlindoro: is it some recent thing not yet deployed?

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sn9:

five largest? there aren't even five left in total, i think

[03:30:07]

iamlindoro:

mru: Naw, it's out in full force, and has been for a number of years

[03:30:41]

iamlindoro:

I think Sony and Toshiba round out the 5, actually

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sn9:

comcast/timewarner/adelphia, charter, rcn, cox, and i can't think of any more

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mru:

I don't know much about the US cable market, admittedly

[03:31:09]

iamlindoro:

and actually, you're right, wasn't the cable co's, it was a bunch of the Japanese Cos

[03:31:15]

iamlindoro:

my bad

[03:31:28]

iamlindoro:

Sony/Toshiba/Hitachi/Intel/Matsushita

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tjcarter:

iamlindoro: 128k!

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iamlindoro:

tjcarter: Agreed!

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mru:

but I know the satellite CA systems get cracked on a regular basis

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iamlindoro:

mru: That's nagra, different

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tjcarter:

iamlindoro: 80x24!

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iamlindoro:

mru: 5C is (to my knowledge) uncracked

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mru:

iamlindoro: is there a fundamental difference in design?

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sn9:

mru: yes

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iamlindoro:

mru: Here's a white spec on 5C http://www.dtcp.com/data/wp_spec.pdf

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mru:

well, the standing claim is that nds videoguard is uncracked too

[03:32:47]

tjcarter:

iamlindoro: 16 sectors, and 13 sectors with a special boot loader!

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iamlindoro:

er excuse me, a spec

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iamlindoro:

tjcarter: Hahaha, so many people would have no idea what machine we are talking about, sigh

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riddlebox:

I am trying to setup lircd, this is my dmesg output, does it seem ok? http://pastebin.ca/851680

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tjcarter:

iamlindoro: CALL -141

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tjcarter:

iamlindoro: okay today that's getting downright obscure ;)

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iamlindoro:

Naw, it's ok, #mythtv-users often becomes #retro-computing

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sn9:

SYS64802

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iamlindoro:

Heh, especially with some of the equipment people around here try to use

[03:36:41]

iamlindoro:

"Can myth run on a Casio Japanese-English dictionary?" "What about just backend?"

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sn9:

no, but lirc might...

[03:37:33]

iamlindoro:

MY two backends account for eight cores, and you can have 'em when you pry them out of my cold, dead hands

[03:38:06]

iamlindoro:

Wtf was that pastebin? dmesg | grep irrelevant shit?

[03:38:07]

sn9:

quad-core only? hopefully not amd...

[03:38:19]

iamlindoro:

Core2

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iamlindoro:

and don't quad core only me

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sn9:

well, how else would you fit eight cores in two boxes nowadays?

[03:39:25]

mru:

two dual-core chips per box

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mzb:

iamlindoro: so how do you determine lengths of nuv files?

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iamlindoro:

sn9: Ah, I interpreted differently, as in, "Only quad cores?"

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mru:

or two quad-cores in one box, leaving the second box empty

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sn9:

mru: not many boards can do that in the commodity pc market

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iamlindoro:

snooty-like ;)

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tjcarter:

iamlindoro: I susepct more know LOAD "*",8,1

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mru:

who said commodity?

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iamlindoro:

mzb: Honestly, I dunno, haven't had a frame grabber in a while

[03:40:26]

mzb:

err ..

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mzb:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

might have to resort to mplayer -identify, and even then, no idea if it'll handle it

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** mru hopes he'll never have a frame grabber again **

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mru:

analogue is so last century

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** tjcarter gives mru his old frame grabber **

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iamlindoro:

If it does I guess you could write a clause just for nuv

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sn9:

tjcarter: LOAD "$",8

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mru:

ok, what machine are you guys talking about?

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tjcarter:

mru: iamlindoro and I were talking about the Apple //e ;)

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EnderTheThird:

you guys ever have trouble with not being able to Ctrl+W to close a tab in Firefox-3.0b2?

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sn9:

mru: more than one ancient machine

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iamlindoro:

then we got some Vic-20

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mzb:

iamlindoro: the file in question wasn't from a frame grabber ... but I've exported, transcoded and re-imported it so many times now I can't remember how it got into it's current state ;)

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mru:

ah, I never had either

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tjcarter:

iamlindoro: Trash-80 next?

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mru:

but maybe C9 rings a bell with someone

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sn9:

tjcarter: no, ti-99/4a

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iamlindoro:

tjcarter: I loved my TRS-80

[03:43:34]

tjcarter:

iamlindoro: or maybe CoCo?

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tjcarter:

Ti-99/4A, there you go.

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sn9:

ugly-looking thing it was, but featureful

[03:44:38]

tjcarter:

I've still got a soft spot for the 6502 machines though

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sn9:

tjcarter: have you used cc65 yet?

[03:45:13]

tjcarter:

no

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mru:

forget all that, ppc is clearly the best cpu ever

[03:45:33]

tjcarter:

http://www.cafepress.com/buy/tee/-/pv_design_ . . . /fpt_/c_666/

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tjcarter:

=D

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mru:

it has an eieio instruction

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sn9:

mru: i remember all the eieio jokes circa 1994

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tjcarter:

Probably all began at Motorola.

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mru:

and M68020, iirc, has a sex instruction

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** sn9 reaches for his final-edition m68k reference from freescale **

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mzb:

iamlindoro: no, mplayer doesn't handle it ... come to think of it ... I guess all the info's in the file ... hang on

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iamlindoro:

mzb: yeah, if you can get at the metadata

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seth|laptop:

anyone ever see this while recording or watching live tv? 2008-01–11 22:42:14.586 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding

[03:49:19]

tjcarter:

No, the 6502 will always have a soft spot for me because the retail price of the MOS 6502 was $25.

[03:49:55]

sn9:

mru: nope, no such mnemonic

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mzb:

iamlindoro: yeah ... too hard ... and only a single file ... done manually, set in my custom table ... hopefully never need to worry about it again ;)

[03:50:11]

tjcarter:

The original Apple was largely based on the KIM-1, a sort of 6502 dev kit that sold for < $200

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iamlindoro:

mzb: rm :)

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mru:

sn9: then it was some other chip

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sn9:

tjcarter: i thought the KIM-1 was z80 or some such

[03:50:45]

mru:

though I was rather certain it was one of the 68k series

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mzb:

heh ... no! ... can't delete a Jakers! episode! :)

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tjcarter:

sn9: nope, MOS Technology made it.

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mru:

here's a nice datasheet: http://www.national.com/rap/files/datasheet.pdf

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sn9:

mru: no. maybe it was 88k; i don't know those

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mzb:

6809 (if interested) -> http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=10

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tjcarter:

http://oldcomputers.net/kim1.html

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mzb:

doesn't quite have the impact of a (few) wire-wrapped board(s) in a hand-made case ;)

[03:54:40]

htpcdvbs:

sn9 and rest thank u

[03:54:43]

htpcdvbs:

for ur help

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mzb:

(the VDU was another story! ;)) ... also handmade with green cellophane sandwiched behind a plate of safety glass

[03:55:25]

mru:

found this: http://www.hackemate.com.ar/textos/Jargon/html/entry/SEX.html

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tjcarter:

you know, that KIM page has a timeline of CBM that makes you not wonder why CBM failed ;)

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** iamlindoro cannot remember for the life of him which of these 700 channels he gets **

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sn9:

which of what what?

[04:03:30]

iamlindoro:

which of the Comcast Digital channels I get

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tjcarter:

The CBM history looks ... rudderless.

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sn9:

iamlindoro: uh, all of them?

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iamlindoro:

Uh, no

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iamlindoro:

But apparently I get "The N" So I can get my Degrassi on when nobody's looking

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sn9:

iamlindoro: it replaced "Nickelodeon Games and Sports" a few days ago

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iamlindoro:

Gah! Ah, for the Nickelodeon of my sort-of-youth, when it was only one channel and Nick at Nite meant "anything after 8" and Dragnet taught me to be a cop before I was one

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iamlindoro:

ah, bygone days

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clever[rev]_:

thrall: ive done some minor assebly programing on a 6502 before

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iamlindoro:

There, that ought to take care of <insert channel in language I don't understand or which centers around a lifestyle not my own>

[04:15:57]

tjcarter:

The N?

[04:16:01]

tjcarter:

wtf is The N?

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iamlindoro:

Canadian Nickelodeon

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tjcarter:

So... Good for Avatar and that's about it? =D

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sn9:

mru: there are no funny-sounding instructions in m86k, unless you count pea, bra, mulu, or bfffo

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iamlindoro:

And Degrassi!

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jams:

iamlindoro- great show it is

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iamlindoro:

jams: Hehe, and I totally never saw it until becoming an adult

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sn9:

tjcarter: it's actually not canadian, but carries a lot of canadian shows

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jams:

except for the paige shows

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iamlindoro:

jams: My dog is named Emma... even though she turned out wicked hot

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jams:

iamlindoro- heh

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mzb:

iamlindoro: :))) now have cron script that looks for "dynamic" playlists and updates the the total time for them ... nice!

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jams:

iamlindoro- you didn't miss anything with the orginal degrassi

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jams:

the next gen is much better

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iamlindoro:

mzb: Sweet! You made good time, too

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tjcarter:

Degrassi doesn't seem to be really that interesting

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iamlindoro:

jams: that's what I hear

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tjcarter:

to me anyway

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sn9:

tjcarter: closest canadian equivalent to nickelodeon is ytv, which nickelodeon once got a lot of shows from

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clever:

i only get ytv here

[04:19:13]

tjcarter:

I miss ReBoot.

[04:19:26]

clever:

yeah

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sn9:

tjcarter: degrassi wasn't interesting 20 yrs ago, either, when i first saw it in tv listings

[04:19:33]

clever:

i think ive seen every episode of it too:P

[04:20:05]

tjcarter:

The ABCs have turned on us! Treacherous dogs!

[04:20:14]

clever:

tjcarter: you should go over the wikipedia page it on sometime, theres alot of fun info you may not have known

[04:20:31]

tjcarter:

clever: I doubt it.

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mzb:

iamlindoro: writing the "dynamic" part and linking it to a button was more interesting ;) ... just have to add Kiah's picture as Poster and it's done! ;)

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iamlindoro:

mzb: Is that the little lady?

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clever:

tjcarter: mostly explaining some of the jokes referencing things you probly didnt know of when you watched it

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jams:

iamlindoro- i'm sure you noticed the marthon they are/have been running

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** iamlindoro struggles to remember whether he's forgotten some key Australian cultural reference **

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iamlindoro:

jams: Naw, I've had about 250 of these channels removed from my lineup until tonight

[04:21:41]

iamlindoro:

including that one

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riddlebox:

how do you tell if lircd sees your IR receiver?

[04:22:26]

mzb:

iamlindoro: yep 2.7 yo (going on 27): http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . d=20371&

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tjcarter:

clever: Again, I doubt it =D

[04:22:53]

clever:

riddlebox: run irw and mash buttons

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iamlindoro:

Ah, the *very* little lady :) Lovely

[04:23:12]

riddlebox:

clever, dang, then it does work

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riddlebox:

I get connection refused

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clever:

lol:)

[04:23:34]

clever:

you may need to tell irw what socket lircd is on

[04:23:52]

** iamlindoro throws some more hurt at the schedulesdirect server **

[04:23:57]

clever:

normaly /dev/lircd but maybe /dev/lircd0

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riddlebox:

I tried irw /dev/lircd

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clever:

on my system i have

[04:24:23]

clever:

/dev/lircd

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clever:

/dev/lircd2

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riddlebox:

clever, it is a IR that plugs into the back of a pci tuner card

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sn9:

iamlindoro: wanna see a channel you probably have and will probably never watch? 251

[04:26:24]

clever:

riddlebox: which tuner card?

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iamlindoro:

sn9: Hmm, either I already deleted it (likely) or I don't get it... which was it?

[04:26:39]

sn9:

CCTV International

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riddlebox:

clever, it is one that is not yet supported, a pinnacle pctv HD, I was just taking a shot in the dart

[04:27:14]

clever:

ah

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tjcarter:

clever: the thing I DID NOT know on that page is that ReBoot is coming back!

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iamlindoro:

sn9: Yup, that was one of the chaff :)

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sn9:

all the latest in perfect english direct from the chinese government in beijing

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clever:

tjcarter: lol when?:P

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iamlindoro:

sn9: I *did* keep a few of the foreign channels, but only things I speak

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sn9:

english, like i said

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tjcarter:

clever: tere will be three movies.. It was announced in July

[04:28:21]

clever:

i deleted most of the digital channels im not paying for and all the french ones

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iamlindoro:

sn9: Right, but it god cleared out nonetheless

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clever:

im guessing it will speedup mythfilldatabase and it also did speedup rescheduling some

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iamlindoro:

er got

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clever:

tjcarter: ahh:)

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riddlebox:

clever, is there no way for me to get this remote going until there are proper drivers, I guess?

[04:28:49]

tjcarter:

And there's an error. Dot only became the COMMAND.COM in season 3. Phong was COMMAND.COM prior to that.

[04:28:58]

clever:

riddlebox: im using the lirc_i2c driver for my pvr-150

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riddlebox:

clever, dmesg shows, http://pastebin.ca/851680

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iamlindoro:

Oooh, is the Howard Stern show on MojoHD uncensored?

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slestak:

i ahve a machine hung on the Delete Recording screen

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sn9:

iamlindoro: it actually has entertainment value akin to fox news and the 700 club

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clever:

tjcarter: lol the joke they did in 1 episode in binary

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iamlindoro:

sn9: also MIA on my system, heheh ;)

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slestak:

its been stuck for ~10 minutes

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clever:

tjcarter: i never got arround to even writing it down to decode

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clever:

tjcarter: says 'take my wife please'

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Slartybartfast:

hello all: what deinterlacer do people use on high end systems? Am I correct in believeing that only Bob works at the field rate instead of the frame rate?

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iamlindoro:

The answer to your question is 42

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clever:

i know bob is a hungry bastard:P

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tjcarter:

clever: the birthday episode?

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iamlindoro:

Yadif FTW!

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clever:

tjcarter: yeah

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tjcarter:

clever: it wasn't ASCII.

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tjcarter:

"TAKE MY WIFE PLEASE"

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clever:

tjcarter: that would have made it even harder:P

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clever:

ecbid probly im guessing

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clever:

and i know i didnt even spell thatr ight

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iamlindoro:

Slartybartfast: Really, though in SVN (and the forthcoming .21) Yadif looks kickass on my quad

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tjcarter:

no

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tjcarter:

1 = A, 10 = B

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tjcarter:

etc

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clever:

ahh

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Slartybartfast:

im a little frustrated that my 1080p lcd looks better using its internal tuner rather than my mythbox

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tjcarter:

no leading zeroes

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iamlindoro:

Slartybartfast: Well what's the capture source?

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clever:

tjcarter: triming the leading zeros would compicate the decoding

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clever:

tjcarter: you know bender in futurama?

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Slartybartfast:

hd 1080i dvb

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iamlindoro:

Slartybartfast: Ah, then it really ought to look good :)

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Slartybartfast:

what is this yadif you speak of?

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iamlindoro:

Slartybartfast: No excuses then... well, if you hang on for .21 or go to SVN, Yadif may be for you

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sn9:

clever: bender in futurama played steve ballmer in "pirates of silicon valley"

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clever:

sn9: lol:)

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clever:

the number on his apartment door

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clever:

binary ascii of $

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tjcarter:

clever: Have you ever tried turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?

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Slartybartfast:

is there any doco on yadif?

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iamlindoro:

Slartybartfast: http://guru.multimedia.cx/deinterlacing-filters/

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clever:

tjcarter: i dont have hits:P

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clever:

tjcarter: kids

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Slartybartfast:

thanks iamlindoro!

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iamlindoro:

Slartybartfast: No problem, it's a good way to compare

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clever:

tjcarter: and i can watch tv without the tv thanks to mythtv!

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clever:

i now have tv on my laptop

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iamlindoro:

Slartybartfast: Gives you a visual example on the same frame of each

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tjcarter:

clever: it's a Bender line =D

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iamlindoro:

Slartybartfast: Of course that's mplayer and not myth, so some of them aren't available in myth, but non-SVN users will see a whole host of new ones with the next release

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clever:

tjcarter: ahh lol:P

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sn9:

clever: there was a time when you'd see you software run on a tv instead

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clever:

sn9: yeah back with the c64

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clever:

when the only compatible 'monitor' was a tv

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clever:

back before we had a garage full of vga monitors

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sn9:

clever: not the only, just the cheapest

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tjcarter:

My favorite is not Bender: "You dare bribe Santa Claus? I'm gonna shove coal so far up your stocking you'll be coughing up diamonds!"

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clever:

and i think i have a cga one too

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clever:

lol

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iamlindoro:

Anyone see a technical flaw in my converting the out on my MCEUSB IR blaster from minijack -> RCA through the wall -> IR Blaster on the far end?

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clever:

sn9: yeah but ive never seen the real 'monitor' for the c64

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clever:

iamlindoro: may be a weak signal near the end

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clever:

iamlindoro: seems simpler to run usb extensions

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iamlindoro:

Want to turn off the projector with lirc, but the last unused jack on the ceiling is composite

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iamlindoro:

clever: I will *never* get into that wall again :)

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clever:

lol

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iamlindoro:

Had to cut channels into it to run the cables, then patched, retextured, sanded, and painted

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clever:

so your going to feed a random signal thru wires allready there?

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iamlindoro:

Never. Again.

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clever:

the basement celeing is fiberglass tiles

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iamlindoro:

I have unused RCA, it's only a 15 or 20 foot run, I figure it ought to work, it's two wires however you terminate it, so I have high hopes

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clever:

i can slip them out and run wires between any room in the basement

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clever:

and with a hole thru the floor i can pass them up to the main flooy

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iamlindoro:

Worst comes to worst I'm out $5 in Radio shack parts

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clever:

ive got a phone line i ran for speaker wire

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clever:

4 core

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clever:

i tried running composite video thru it once

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clever:

horid signal!

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clever:

probly a lack of sheilding

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clever:

the phone line still works as speaker wire though

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iamlindoro:

I think I'll make it my weekend project... Want to set up my power button to shut down the receiver, then the projector.

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clever:

gnd and left+right

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clever:

ive been wanting to setup my blaster to be able to turn the tv on

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clever:

so i hit power on the pvr remote

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clever:

and the pc blasts the tv to life

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clever:

dad just keeps asking why i need to make it so complicated

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iamlindoro:

clever: Yup, same here more or less... nothing ground breaking about it, of course, just been too lazy or busy to this point to get 'er done

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sn9:

random piece of obscure bygone a/v hardware du jour: fisher-price pxl-2000

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clever:

my main ir blaster is somewhat in a sealed area

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clever:

to keep stray remote signals from changing the tuner while recording

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clever:

and the pvr150 blaster is nice and long

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clever:

but needs a patch

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sn9:

it could record video on ordinary audio cassette tapes

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iamlindoro:

Anyone know the trick to using the second IR Blaster on the mceusb, btw?

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iamlindoro:

Or does it just send the same signals out both, which is also fine?

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clever:

sn9: probly at some low quality or high tape speed

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sn9:

clever: b&w only

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clever:

that would save some space

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clever:

but its still a fair ammount of data

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sn9:

lo-rez

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clever:

that too would help

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code-r:

any one know y my ir blaster doesnt like being booted :-P

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clever:

still helicle scaning like a vhs or normal like an audio tape?

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sn9:

clever: standard ferric oxide cassettes

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code-r:

is there a kye in myth to bring up Live TV?

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code-r:

*key

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iamlindoro:

you can bind one

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clever:

sn9: yeah but is the head spining at an angle to write stripes of data

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clever:

sn9: or it the head just making 1 long single track/stripe on the tape

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code-r:

iamlindoro: would u sugest not doign that through mythweb, or is it safe

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iamlindoro:

code-r: That should be as safe as doing it anywhere else :)

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code-r:

k kool

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sn9:

clever: no idea; never saw the actual device. closest i came was seeing the wallwart for it in a pile of junk

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Hoxzer:

http://pastebin.com/m6a20cd6d getting following errors what to do ?

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clever:

sn9: ahh, lol:)

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Hoxzer:

I think it is somehow related to old db

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Hoxzer:

mythtv-setup doesn't propt for update

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code-r:

so like LIVETV would be "Alt+P"

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code-r:

is that a valid biding?

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iamlindoro:

code-r: Just use a single key, something unusual, like @

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iamlindoro:

or %

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iamlindoro:

etc

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iamlindoro:

That's what I do

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clever:

im using F2 and F3 for my jump points

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code-r:

so you cant do Alt P?

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clever:

i just had to unbind those from red and green in the teletext and somewhere else

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Hoxzer:

guys it is not.

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iamlindoro:

code-r: Why does it have to be two keys?

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Hoxzer:

it was my HDD being full lol

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code-r:

iamlindoro: im trying to keep it standard with a lircrc i found...

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sn9:

clever: but a helical mechanism for audio cassettes would be an albatross

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iamlindoro:

code-r: you're on your own for that one, changing an lircrc isn't hard

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clever:

sn9: yeah it could be tricky

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clever:

sn9: ive played with the tape storage on the c64

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** iamlindoro goes IR Blaster hunting... and then... choppy choppy! **

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code-r:

iamlindoro: yes but having every body run differnt stuff makes things more complicated some times. i found a lircrc :-P

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clever:

sn9: a tape with audio data causes the c64 to hardlock:P

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code-r:

and i think change it makes it a pita

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tjcarter:

I've pretty well given up on IR blasters

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sn9:

clever: "tricky" is not the issue. there's just no way it didn't have a commodity cassette mechanism

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tjcarter:

partly because I use a computer as my playback device, to turn off the screen, just use DPMS ;)

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code-r:

but anyway "F2" is valid then?

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clever:

sn9: yeah if you use a standard head it would be cheaper

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tjcarter:

cable boxes can be controlled via serial or FW

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clever:

sn9: i think the c64 tape drive just fed the analog tape signals directly to the c64

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slestak:

when i try to play an avi in mythvideo, i get an error logged abt not having xv support in X. is xv the common output for current use? what -vo do most of you use?

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clever:

sn9: so the 'drive' is just a case with pretty much 0 brains

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sn9:

clever: no. i saw an adapter on ebay that allowed use of an ordinary tape recorder as a commodore datassette. it was a huge box

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clever:

lol

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clever:

one of the ti series of computers similar to the c64

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clever:

the tape cord was just 4 plugs

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clever:

1 for the 'pc' and 3 for the tape player(motor control,linein,lineout)

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slestak:

ti99 i think

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sn9:

ti-99/4a tape drives *were* ordinary tape recorders

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clever:

and ive seen an identical set of cords off a box for controling a tape recorder to record phone calls

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clever:

when the phone is picked up it shorts the motor control plug and feeds audio out the linein

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clever:

and the tape player records

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sn9:

timex sinclair tape cable had just two plugs

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sn9:

commodore just had to be different, with six separate signals

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clever:

lol

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** tjcarter ponders an audio book plugin for myth **

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** CaptObviousman throws in the towel **

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clever:

tjcarter: just use mythmusic:P

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CaptObviousman:

I don't think the nvidia driver allows a custom modeline when using component out

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tjcarter:

MythMusic isn't very good for audiobooks

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CaptObviousman:

it just refuses to validate it, no matter what I try

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sn9:

tjcarter: have it make the screen follow along with a bouncing ball through the equivalent text from project gutenberg

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tjcarter:

sn9: most are not available with text =D

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CaptObviousman:

anyone here using a component output on their myth box?

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sn9:

just make sure it's "paul scofield reads homer's odyssey"

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tjcarter:

no, mythmusic can't handle bookmarks, can't really seek in a 14 hour file very easily, and can't at all cope with audio books in specialized formats like DAISY

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clever:

tjcarter: fix mythmusic then:P

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tjcarter:

do you want MythMusic to grok XHTML and SMIL? ;)

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clever:

sn9: the c64 cassete plug was motor/read/write/sense/gnd/+5

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clever:

sn9: the ti one i think was 3 plugs (6 again:P)

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sn9:

clever: ok, i was counting ground as a signal, so sue me

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clever:

lol

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tjcarter:

talk of cassette plugs reminded me--I'm looking for a good way to do some fairly advanced stuff to cassette audio books

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clever:

sn9: the ti one has some duplicated lines though

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tjcarter:

I'd need a hardware geek to make suggestions for how to do it though

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sn9:

tjcarter: audacity

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clever:

sn9: motor(i think its just shorted to enable the motor), then in/out(audio with 2 gnd's)

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tjcarter:

sn9: nah, part of the issue is hardware =)

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clever:

and you need an external suply for the tape drive(or baterys)

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tjcarter:

sn9: essentially, I'm looking to extract NLS-format four track cassette books to something that'll play on a typical mp3 player device.

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tjcarter:

There are some interesting facets to NLS-format tapes..

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tjcarter:

1. they play at 15/16 ips (so half normal speed)

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tjcarter:

2. track 1 is left channel of side A, 2 is left track of side B. 3 is the right channel of side A but reversed, and 4 is the right channel of side B but reversed

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sn9:

and?

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tjcarter:

so if you play an NLS-format cassette in a regular player, you get chipmunk-chittering. Out of the left speaker, it's track 1 or 2, out of the right, it's reversed track 4 or 3.

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sn9:

audacity can take care of that

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tjcarter:

These tapes have a total playback time of 6 hours.

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clever:

lol

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tjcarter:

90 minutes per side * 4 tracks

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clever:

tjcarter: would be trivial to record both sides in strerio and then undo all that in the pc

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tjcarter:

assuming standard C90 tapes are used.

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tjcarter:

clever: yeah

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clever:

i easily make a crude c++ prog to invert a mp3 file

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tjcarter:

clever: but what I want is a nice automated process for getting the whole tape in at once.

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clever:

could easily use it as a base to rip the 2 channels appart and then let you invert one

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tjcarter:

then splitting out the four tracks, trimming the dead space at the beginning and end, etc

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clever:

just play both sides at normal speed and record to the pc

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sn9:

clever: lossless would beat mp3 here

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clever:

then run a prog you/i made on it

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clever:

flac or raw wav would do for the first pass

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tjcarter:

sox has most of the pieces.

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tjcarter:

however its not intelligent about its noise reduction nor its dead air removal

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clever:

then you just need to figure out which channel(l or r) is reveresed and hit a button to flip it

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clever:

and seperate it into 4 tracks

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tjcarter:

clever: always r

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clever:

ahh:)

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clever:

so rip the 2 wav's into 4 and flip the right channels

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tjcarter:

basically I think what I want is a car's tape deck wired up through optoisolators to a parallel port ;)

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tjcarter:

something with auto-reverse

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clever:

using the line in would give better sampling rate:P

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clever:

and analog!

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tjcarter:

I meant for controlling the tape deck

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clever:

ah

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clever:

yeah ive controled a few led's thru the lpt port before with a custom kernel module

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sn9:

tjcarter: any sound card could do that, minus the control. if you want control, basically you need a commodore datassette

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tjcarter:

modprobe tape-recording-monster.ko

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clever:

userspace might be better:P

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** xris wonders if macports has mythtv **

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tjcarter:

clever: probably =D

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sn9:

however, i believe that was 2-track hardware

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tjcarter:

xris: fink sure as hell doesn't

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clever:

sn9: i dont think the comodor drive would let you get stereo on both sides

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xris:

tjcarter: fink is about 2 years dead, though

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sn9:

clever: that's what i just said

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xris:

no mythtv, though

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tjcarter:

xris: seems active enough in #fink ;)

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clever:

sn9: lol:)

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xris:

tjcarter: them the abundant rumors online are at least partially wrong

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sn9:

xris: last i checked, fink > macports

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tjcarter:

xris: I'm seriously considering moving to macports myself.. I just ... fear screwing up my working setup ;)

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xris:

yeah

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xris:

this is a new box...

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xris:

and probably going to get replaced in a week or two, anyway, because CDW sent us last summer's models instead of the new ones.

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tjcarter:

I guess it's less of a big deal now

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xris:

and I want my 4G of RAM

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tjcarter:

the setup I most fear breaking is my mail setup, and I GREATLY simplified that last week.

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xris:

but I apparently get to learn how to build mythfrontend for mac now.

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CaptObviousman:

does anyone know of a way to control where on the screen new windows appear?

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sn9:

tjcarter: i probably would just upgrade fink, as macports is just not gnu enough

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iamlindoro_:

and the pain of not getting widescreen ;)

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CaptObviousman:

right now it's always in the top left, outside of the visible area due to overscan

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tjcarter:

Currently, any sendmail that sends works (though I've set up fink's postfix to do so through gmail), and I just need mutt, vim, and offlineimap.

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iamlindoro_:

well, not for TV anyway

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Slartybartfast:

iamlindoro: Thanks or the deint tips. yadifx2 cant keep up but greedyx2 looks good and keeps up. yadifx2 looks good for my SD recordings

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tjcarter:

sn9: I'm not using GNU userspace this time around.

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tjcarter:

I do miss GNU find sometimes

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iamlindoro:

Slartybartfast: Good stuff, glad you found something you like

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tjcarter:

and cp -a doesn't work

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sn9:

tjcarter: then install it via fink, like i did

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tjcarter:

I don't do that because I'm trying to stick to native userspace (because I frequently use machines I cannot install fink on)

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Slartybartfast:

iamlindoro: i watch some sprts so the (x2) part is essential. and those new ones do away with the flickeriness

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iamlindoro:

Slartybartfast: It's usually not evident with baseball but good deint is a must w/ football

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iamlindoro:

Slartybartfast: Although we speak of different sports of course ;)

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Slartybartfast:

cricket and aussie rules here

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iamlindoro:

Slartybartfast: I watched Australian Football a lot at an English pub in... Paris. :)

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iamlindoro:

And actually wish I had a channel to get it here :(

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tjcarter:

anyway, it seems like this could almost be done with a shell script if I could get the control aspects

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sn9:

iamlindoro: espn2

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iamlindoro:

sn9: No shit? Nice!

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Slartybartfast:

iamlindoro: yeah. ausie rules kiks ass.

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** iamlindoro goes looking to see if his ESPN HD channels poop out the firewire too **

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slacker-:

hey guys

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iamlindoro:

sn9: Any fix for the firewire sometimes failing to tune even if it's in the clear? I think it might just be taking too long, would just like to stabilize the tuning

[05:22:56]

sn9:

iamlindoro: i don't remember that happening

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slacker-:

I've just installed mythtv on a new database and I can't figure out how to tell mythfilldatabase to use my tv_grab_au

[05:23:24]

iamlindoro:

Hmm, well I guess I'll tweak for a bit then

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slacker-:

mythtv-setup only lists 2 other grabbers

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sn9:

iamlindoro: what speed did you set for the fw in the backend?

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iamlindoro:

Have tried 100 and 200 so far

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sn9:

iamlindoro: motorola's manual for the dch-3200 says you must use 400

[05:25:28]

iamlindoro:

ok, will try that, thanks

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iamlindoro:

Tried 100 first because the wiki suggested it, good tip sn9

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iamlindoro:

sn9, tenatively, I think that did it, tuning *much* faster so far. Thanks.

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minthome:

i'm just playing around with mythweb and the ASX stream isn't working

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minthome:

VLC or Windows Media Player doesn't play it

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minthome:

am i missing something?

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xris:

minthome: https?

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xris:

authentication?

[05:38:38]

minthome:

not https

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minthome:

and how would i be able to get to mythweb to click the ASX link without auth

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minthome:

not to mention, apache logs look clean

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minthome:

192.168.1.99 – mintee [12/Jan/2008:00:36:29 -0500] "GET /myth/pl/stream/2049/1197952200.asx HTTP/1.1" 200 240 "http://192.168.1.118:8081/myth/tv/detail/2049/1197952200" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071127 Firefox/2.0.0.11"

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xris:

um, mythweb doesn't require auth

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xris:

and must media players don't work with auth

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minthome:

i have htpasswd'd

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xris:

and do your media players support htpasswd?

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minthome:

O_o i donno

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sn9:

i'm pretty sure vlc doesn't

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minthome:

lemme remove the auth in the first place

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sn9:

i just had an idea for a new frontend feature

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minthome:

oh, i see

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minthome:

i got apache running on port 8081 and by default mythweb is wanting port 80

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minthome:

any ideas where i change that?

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xris:

minthome: settings.

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sn9:

i just had an idea for a new frontend feature: an option to change video mode between interlaced and non-interlaced automatically based on the recording source

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sn9:

if you have a progressive tv with a good image processor hooked up to vga, this would allow one to really use it

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sn9:

or maybe not vga...

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minthome:

vlc does support httpauth

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minthome:

fyi

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sn9:

ok

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minthome:

something in the stream itself is reforcing it to go back to port 80

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sn9:

is it asx?

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minthome:

yeah

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sn9:

asx generators need to specify ports

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sn9:

otherwise 80 is assumed

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minthome:

i changed the apache port back to 80

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minthome:

and it's working perfectly

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minthome:

*sigh*

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slacker-:

ok, i've got it

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slacker-:

so, how do I move my old recordings so that they show up in the newly installed version?

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iamlindoro:

with myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

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iamlindoro:

presuming you didn't back up the whole db, that is

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slacker-:

i still have the old db

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slacker-:

but I didn't want to reuse it

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sn9:

something wrong in it?

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iamlindoro:

well, those are you only options... use the old db, attempt to cut out the relevant sections in the old db and merge them with the new one, or import them with the perl script

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slacker-:

channel config wasn't pretty

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slacker-:

where do I get that perl script?

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iamlindoro:

It's in the source

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iamlindoro:

in the contrib directory

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iamlindoro:

would have been easier just to dump the channel table, though, if that was the only thing wrong with it

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fuzzynavel:

I bought a Cabled RS232 IR Receiver and I am trying to set it up inthe mythbuntu control center. I cant find the device listed...what should I do now? I bought it from http://www.irblaster.info I am also trying to get my Logitech harmony 670 to work with it as well. In the setup there is a Logitech/AST option , is this the one I should pick?

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J-e-f-f-A:

fuzzynavel: If that's what you bought, it's not an IR RECEIVER, it's only an IR TRANSMITTER (hence the name 'blaster')

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CCFL_Man2:

any c banders here?

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fuzzynavel:

its definitely the receiver one...the blaster is up at the top of the page

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J-e-f-f-A:

fuzzynavel: So you bought this: http://www.irblaster.info/receiver.html ?

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iamlindoro:

that's just lirc_serial

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CCFL_Man2:

fuzzynavel: is it al ir led or a phototransistor?

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sn9:

c-band with myth? great googly moogly

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CCFL_Man2:

sn9: it can be done

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tmk:

anyone around this evening?

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J-e-f-f-A:

nope. It's morning here... ;-)

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fuzzynavel:

yes....

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sn9:

not night?

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J-e-f-f-A:

sn9: it's 2am in Boston... ;-)

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sn9:

that's night

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slacker-:

iamlindoro: which tables would I need? just 'recorded' ?

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tmk:

anyone ever seen the error 'recording cancelled: recorder is off-line'

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tmk:

i just setup (several times in fact) a new remote backend, and it refuses to record anything

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J-e-f-f-A:

fuzzynavel: Then you set it up as a generic serial receiver...

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iamlindoro:

slacker-: No idea, many/most of the tables are interrelated, it's a bad idea to try to take some and not all

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slacker-:

i know :/

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CCFL_Man2:

sn9: satellite receivers with dvb-asi out, the only issue is the cost of the input cards, cost of the receivers, and getting powervu activated

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sn9:

tmk: you sure the backend can be seen?

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tmk:

aye

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tmk:

it displays the channels

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tmk:

and the logs say it's visible

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sn9:

CCFL_Man2: isn't that enough?

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CCFL_Man2:

sn9: heh, i'm going to be setting up a system like that

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sn9:

wow

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CCFL_Man2:

sn9: unfortunately, getting powervu channels activated is the hard part

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tmk:

sn9: ugh, i restarted my master backend, and now everything's happy

[07:02:58]

tmk:

thanks

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CCFL_Man2:

but, thats one receiver per channel i want, so i want 6 or 8 dcII channels, including hd, plus dvb irds or dvb pci cards for the few fra channels i want, and some atsc pci cards

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J-e-f-f-A:

fuzzynavel: I've got to hit the sack, but you'll need to find (or create) an /etc/lircd.conf file for your remote control, then a ".lircrc" file to map the remote control buttons to your application(s) (although I'm not sure how much of that mythbuntu will setup for you automatically...)

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sn9:

CCFL_Man2: why one receiver per channel?

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CCFL_Man2:

sn9: so 5 frontends can tune 5 different channels

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sn9:

at the same time?

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CCFL_Man2:

yes

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sn9:

you'll really record all 5 channels at the same time all the time?

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CCFL_Man2:

it'll be so any frontend can tune any channel at any time

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sn9:

then it's one per frontend, not one per channel

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CCFL_Man2:

no, one per channel, but have each channel as a seperate source

[07:12:34]

sn9:

wouldn't it be easier with one receiver per frontend, and each receiver a separate source?

[07:12:46]

hachi:

can anyone get lirc modules to compile?

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sn9:

the backend could send tuning commands to each receiver

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CCFL_Man2:

sn9: i don't really want it setup that way, i want it setup like a headend

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sn9:

hachi: no, only The Anointed Ones can

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sn9:

CCFL_Man2: ok, but that wouldn't usually involve myth

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CCFL_Man2:

sn9: the channels will be distributed over the lan with myth

[07:15:48]

hachi:

I've been trying to get lirc working with mythtv for a week now. I haven't gotten past the 'get the modules working' step

[07:16:09]

slacker-:

iamlindoro: it worked with just that one table

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sn9:

CCFL_Man2: vlc is better for that if it'll all be live-only

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hachi:

I find it hilarious that a project that is so many years old (I remember it from when I was in school) is so hard to get to even compile

[07:16:47]

CCFL_Man2:

sn9: i could get digital qam modulators and use digital qam tuners

[07:17:29]

sn9:

CCFL_Man2: yes, but a live-only headend to a lan is more suited to vlc than to myth

[07:18:10]

CCFL_Man2:

sn9: but i want a epg and pvr functions

[07:19:02]

sn9:

ok, but if you have pvr functions, you no longer have any real need for a headend-style setup

[07:19:39]

CCFL_Man2:

well, no

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CCFL_Man2:

i could have one receiver per frontend

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sn9:

i said that

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CCFL_Man2:

yeah

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sn9:

hachi: do you know which module you need?

[07:21:05]

hachi:

lirc_i2c

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sn9:

hachi: that module is broken and no longer builds for anyone. it likely never will again

[07:21:56]

GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man2: what is the source of the video stream? SAt dignals or QAM cable signal ?

[07:22:05]

hachi:

why haven't I seen any documentation of this fact?

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sn9:

hachi: the rest of the modules build fine

[07:22:22]

hachi:

why haven't I seen any documentation of this fact?

[07:22:31]

CCFL_Man2:

i want to use fanless, diskless frontends and wifi, but have a epg and pvr functions, i can have a headend style setup or one receiver per frontend

[07:22:38]

hachi:

I'm calling bullshit, it's one of the most common lirc modules to need to use

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sn9:

hachi: the module no longer has any use'

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: dcII irds that output dvb-asi, and dvb-asi input pci cards in the backend

[07:23:26]

hachi:

so tell me then, all the hauppauge cards, what module do you use with them?

[07:23:50]

hachi:

and I still want to know where this fact is talked about

[07:23:56]

hachi:

I've found nothing via google

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sn9:

you do not use any module for hauppauge anymore

[07:26:10]

sn9:

lircd can read it in userspace now

[07:26:17]

hachi:

where is any documentation of this fact written at all?

[07:26:23]

hachi:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html

[07:26:25]

hachi:

not there

[07:26:28]

hachi:

not in the lircd package

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hachi:

not in on the website

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hachi:

not in google

[07:26:37]

hachi:

not anywhere

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CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: in my research i found that using a digicipher II receiver with dvb-asi outputs with c band subscriptions, i get the most original transport stream, good picture quality, no inserted provider commercials, pay for only the channels i want, even have hd stransport streams

[07:28:16]

sn9:

yuck, google doesn't work in lynx anymore...

[07:28:37]

CCFL_Man2:

sn9: nah, it's all screwed up

[07:30:49]

hachi:

*HEADDESK*

[07:31:02]

hachi:

it's been a week of dicking around, not a single soul has had a clue about this

[07:31:10]

hachi:

and suddenly now you're telling me that I don't even need lirc

[07:31:13]

sn9:

hachi: v4l wiki

[07:31:16]

hachi:

I can't find any evidence of this at all

[07:31:22]

sn9:

yes, you need lirc

[07:31:28]

sn9:

but no lirc module

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hachi:

v4l? why would I look on the v4l wiki about an lirc detail?

[07:31:49]

sn9:

hauppauge, that's why

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hachi:

why has nobody ever told any of the people on mailing lists or in forums this detail

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hachi:

hauppauge? why is happauge responsible for telling people how to use linux?

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sn9:

http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Remote_controllers

[07:33:37]

sn9:

no, but you asked what to do about hauppauge, and the v4l wiki discusses hauppauge

[07:34:08]

hachi:

I was reading all the lirc docs, and the mythtv docs

[07:34:29]

hachi:

neither of them mentions that IR remotes might be handled by the documentation of the v4l project

[07:35:20]

sn9:

it was a change in how lirc is written, and what you want is info on how to use it the new way

[07:36:54]

hachi:

but what I'm asking is where did this information come from?

[07:37:03]

hachi:

how am I supposed to know what other things I've missed?

[07:37:28]

sn9:

it's even mentioned on pages as old as http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/faq.html

[07:37:36]

hachi:

that's v4l!

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CCFL_Man2:

sn9: these dvb-asi cards i found are super expensive, but they have their own linux drivers and userland programs, so they should work with mythtv

[07:38:07]

hachi:

how am I gonna know when an orange is no longer supported by the orange driver

[07:38:23]

hachi:

that's why I'm asking for documentation outside of v4l

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sn9:

hachi: lirc_i2c was never really used outside of v4l/linuxtv

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hachi:

you keep answering questions that I'm not asking. I want to find the documentation of lirc that is up to date and mentions such things as these

[07:40:32]

sn9:

that would be the source code itself, AFAIK

[07:41:46]

hachi:

so you learned this from the source?

[07:42:17]

sn9:

no, in #knoppmyth. the source has an utter lack of deprecation warnings

[07:42:45]

GreyFoxx:

I learned that particular nugget from the source

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GreyFoxx:

when I went to install it on my dads FE before we ditched it and went to the MCE remote

[07:43:47]

GreyFoxx:

lirc in general has some of the worst docs out there, and since I don't document much that;'s saying something :)

[07:45:00]

sn9:

lirc developers are also a bit aloof, it seems

[07:47:14]

GreyFoxx:

It's common

[07:47:32]

sn9:

i mean exceptionally so

[07:47:36]

GreyFoxx:

some just get tired of "users". It';s the same in every job I suppose

[07:47:53]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

[07:50:23]

sn9:

hachi: i went through the same thing you did before i was told

[07:50:39]

CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: you think old winxp mce extenders would make great frontends if they can boot linx and netroot?

[07:51:01]

CCFL_Man2:

linux

[07:51:15]

GreyFoxx:

CCFL_Man2: wouldn't know without knowing anything about the guts of the units themselves

[07:51:37]

GreyFoxx:

specifically cpu chipset and info on the TVencoder or if they use a custom decoder

[07:51:59]

GreyFoxx:

I prefer the PC based stb's like msntv2, s100 and all that

[07:52:28]

CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: as far as i know they use an ati xilleon, and run winders ce

[07:52:31]

GreyFoxx:

likely gonna do a shipment of s100 for a bunch of coworkers soon if I find someone selling a bunch of them that will ship here

[07:53:31]

CCFL_Man2:

GreyFoxx: i'd definately like to try s100 firmware on the msntv2

[07:54:20]

sn9:

i'd like to see a mythbackend pkg for openwrt

[07:55:16]

CCFL_Man2:

sn9: what would be used as sources?

[07:55:51]

sn9:

CCFL_Man2: pvrusb2, or a minipci-to-pci adapter

[07:56:03]

CCFL_Man2:

ahh

[07:57:08]

sn9:

not a master backend, of course

[07:57:44]

CCFL_Man2:

yeah

[07:57:54]

sn9:

running mysql on a router would be ridiculous

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CCFL_Man2:

i use a usb router with wrt and two use audio sticks to play my mp3 collection and a streaming mp3 station

[07:59:39]

hachi:

sn9: so... the two links on that page you plugged that are supposed to be about using the remotes on ivtv cards

[07:59:42]

hachi:

they're both dead

[07:59:46]

hachi:

so I still have no docs

[08:00:11]

sn9:

hachi: ivtv or other i2c, it's all the same

[08:01:14]

sn9:

CCFL_Man2: http://www.fireflymediaserver.org

[08:02:51]

hachi:

no really... loading the ivtv driver didn't detect it... and now the machine just paniced

[08:03:29]

hachi:

well, it didn't create an event device

[08:03:42]

hachi:

* For the ir_codes_winfast, see http://seclists.org/lists/linux-kernel/2005/Mar/3074.html

[08:03:46]

hachi:

* For the CX88_BOARD_WINFAST2000XP_EXPERT in cx88-input.c, see http://seclists.org/lists/linux-kernel/2005/Mar/3081.html

[08:03:49]

hachi:

both of those pages are dead

[08:03:50]

** GreyFoxx goes to actually watch some content **

[08:04:16]

sn9:

hachi: ir-kbd-i2c.ko

[08:04:22]

hachi:

granted they were only mailing list entries

[08:04:29]

CCFL_Man2:

sn9: ahj, i use mpd and wget | madplay

[08:04:31]

hachi:

ir-kbd-i2c is from the other section ot the page

[08:04:42]

hachi:

I'm reading the part where it says hauppauge remotes

[08:06:34]

CCFL_Man2:

hachi: can't you use any remote and program each individual buttons to do a certain function?

[08:06:57]

iamlindoro:

!seen gbee

[08:06:57]

MythLogBot:

gbee was last seen 12 days 11 hours 50 minutes 41 seconds ago

[08:07:06]

iamlindoro:

jeeeeez, must be on vacation

[08:07:25]

hachi:

CCFL_Man2: huh?

[08:07:36]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: you are lindoro?

[08:07:44]

iamlindoro:

so it would appear

[08:07:48]

sn9:

lol

[08:08:33]

hachi:

sn9: I've loaded that module, still nothing in my event devices for the PVR remotes

[08:08:39]

hachi:

I think it's not the right one

[08:09:01]

sn9:

hachi: did you supply the hauppauge module parameter?

[08:09:42]

hachi:

what parameter? I want to read the docs, and the docs link me to information that's gone

[08:09:50]

hachi:

the bttv stuff is down below

[08:09:54]

hachi:

I don't have a bttv card

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sn9:

modprobe ir-kbd-i2c hauppauge=1

[08:10:27]

hachi:

I'm going to start crying in a minute here

[08:10:34]

hachi:

that page says nothing about that parameter

[08:10:42]

CCFL_Man2:

most people use mythtv with analog tuner cards, no?

[08:10:51]

sn9:

CCFL_Man2: no

[08:10:58]

bassboi:

some ppl say the HVR-1600 isn't that great... is this true?

[08:11:17]

CCFL_Man2:

sn9: in the US i mean

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sn9:

bassboi: the tuner is not great with weak signals

[08:11:33]

iamlindoro:

bassboi: They probably said that based on the fact that there have not been drivers until recently... there are now experimental drivers

[08:11:34]

hachi:

nope, no device

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iamlindoro:

bassboi: But unless you are the compile your own type of guy, it's probably not for you yet

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sn9:

hachi: is your remote black? or gray?

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hachi:

silver/gray, but that's irrelevant, I'm trying to get the linux hardware to show up

[08:13:14]

hachi:

I'm not even to the point of seeing if the remote works

[08:13:24]

iamlindoro:

heh, that's not why he asked you

[08:13:33]

iamlindoro:

remotes match up with other hardware, ya know

[08:13:43]

bassboi:

ah k

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hachi:

okay, fine... whatever

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bassboi:

thanks for the info iamlindoro and sn9

[08:14:01]

iamlindoro:

you're being pretty rude for someone getting a lot of help

[08:14:04]

iamlindoro:

bassboi: no problem

[08:14:08]

hachi:

I'm sorry

[08:14:18]

Tanthrix:

I was just about to comment on that myself.

[08:14:18]

hachi:

like I said... a week already spent on this problem

[08:14:32]

hachi:

now I have no clue, and I'm asking for docs, the docs are broken and incomplete now too

[08:14:46]

sn9:

a week? even i didn't spend that long before i simply asked

[08:14:54]

CCFL_Man2:

hachi: web archive

[08:14:55]

hachi:

I've been asking here all week

[08:14:58]

iamlindoro:

sn9 has no obligation to write docs for you, or responsibility for your missteps in the past week

[08:15:41]

CCFL_Man2:

hachi: and why are you so bent on using that remote?

[08:15:53]

bassboi:

random question also...

[08:16:11]

sn9:

CCFL_Man2: it's the receiver he's bent on using, not the remote itself

[08:16:22]

bassboi:

changing hardware... such as ati video card to nvidia video card... causes a linux box not to boot fully?

[08:16:30]

iamlindoro:

bassboi: nooooo

[08:16:40]

sn9:

yessssss

[08:16:43]

iamlindoro:

bassboi: not at all... but in linux, as in any OS, the driver needs to be installed

[08:16:57]

bassboi:

so its probably just missin drivers

[08:17:11]

sn9:

and wrong configuration

[08:17:17]

iamlindoro:

sn9: Not booting into X doesn't mean it didn't boot fully

[08:17:27]

hachi:

I understand, but while I'm at fault for being the asshole here, can I please have information that I'm going to understand?

[08:17:51]

sn9:

iamlindoro: with ati, the kernel actually hangs before it even gets that far

[08:17:53]

hachi:

I want to get this working, like many people have done.. .I'm sure, I've read of people having this exact hardware and they say it works fine

[08:17:56]

CCFL_Man2:

sn9: oh damn, i understand preferences of a certain remote, but a receiver i could build with parts in the junk drawer and old perf board

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hachi:

but so far at every turn I have been met with a piece of information that I don't understand, and no possible way to figure it out

[08:18:28]

Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: That depends on if you want a good reciever or not. ;)

[08:18:29]

iamlindoro:

Well that was Comcastic!

[08:18:38]

hachi:

I'm not talking about you guys, I'm talking about what is written that I'm trying to read

[08:19:08]

CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: well, schmitt trigger output if you like, it should work well

[08:19:31]

bassboi:

is your remote here, hachi

[08:19:32]

bassboi:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/

[08:19:35]

sn9:

hachi: it's not your fault that it simply isn't written where you've read. what's your fault is that you didn't read where it is

[08:19:59]

Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: I don't know if any serial reciever can top the MCE usb reciever. It kicks the ass off of anything I've ever used.

[08:20:00]

hachi:

sn9: that page you plugged me has a section marked for ivtv remotes

[08:20:04]

hachi:

I read it, it's 4 lines long

[08:20:09]

Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: And for $25 with remote, you absolutely can't go wrong.

[08:20:17]

hachi:

two of those lines refer me to messages that ar eno longer reachable

[08:20:36]

sn9:

hachi: those 4 lines do not stand alone; read the whole page

[08:20:49]

iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: It *is* a dang good receiver. I realized a had an extra old-style backlit MCE remote tonight and swapped that in, makes it even better

[08:20:55]

hachi:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/hauppauge/PVR-350.jpg # this is the remote I have

[08:21:04]

CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: i have a mce receiver, it's used with a toshiba usb tuner, think that'll work well?

[08:21:18]

bassboi:

well there u go

[08:21:24]

bassboi:

install LIRC on the machine

[08:21:30]

bassboi:

and configure appropriately.

[08:21:33]

jhulst:

Tanthrix: Where'd you get it for $25?

[08:21:38]

CCFL_Man2:

the toshiba usb tuner i could never get working

[08:21:41]

iamlindoro:

bassboi: you missed all the backstory, trust me and don't get involved in this one

[08:21:44]

hachi:

bassboi: I'm trying to

[08:21:53]

Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: What do you mean exactly? Are you afraid that the fact that it shares the USB bus would cause issues or something?

[08:21:54]

bassboi:

ah.

[08:22:01]

bassboi:

agreed iamlindoro

[08:22:04]

Tanthrix:

jhulst: Ebay a month or two ago.

[08:22:09]

Tanthrix:

jhulst: YMMV.

[08:22:18]

hachi:

sn9: I directly tried your suggestion of modprobe ir-kbd-i2c hauppauge=1

[08:22:21]

iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: Have seen them even cheaper recently, too

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CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: no, it came with a toshiba mce laptop, the tuner and ir receiver are for mce only, can the ir receiver be used with mythtv?

[08:23:30]

sn9:

hachi: yeah, but the ivtv drivers and firmware must be loaded first. dmesg should mention something relevant after you load ir-kbd-i2c

[08:23:31]

Tanthrix:

hachi: Not that I don't sympathize with wanting a system to work in its entirety, but if you've really spent a week on this maybe you should consider a $10 serial reciever off of ebay?

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CCFL_Man2:

does it matter what brand it is?

[08:24:01]

Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: Oh, gotcha. Take a look at the myth wiki page, and you can probably answer that.

[08:24:10]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: what does lsusb report it as?

[08:24:11]

CCFL_Man2:

or are all mce ir receivers the same?

[08:24:20]

CCFL_Man2:

ahh

[08:24:24]

Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

[08:24:42]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: not all the same, but mostly supported

[08:24:55]

hachi:

sn9: I have the ivtv card working, been watching TV with it all week, it does mention the i2c bus for some reason, but loading ir-kbd-i2c reports nothing, and /proc/bus/input/devices still lists the original 4 devices I always have

[08:25:23]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: ihaven't tried it yet, the tuner is only analog and pretty much worthless, i could never get it working in windows server 2003

[08:25:24]

sn9:

hachi: oh, i forgot, you also need evdev.ko, but dmesg should still mention it

[08:25:31]

CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: thanks

[08:25:36]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: ahh, ok

[08:25:48]

hachi:

evdev is already loaded as well

[08:25:51]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Well that's a step, most people can't get windows server 2003 working in windows server 2003 ;)

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Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: In any case, it's definately worth the 10 minutes it takes to try and get it working before you go build your own. ;)

[08:26:29]

iamlindoro:

another good option, and cheap too

[08:26:51]

sn9:

hachi: i2c-dev.ko?

[08:26:51]

iamlindoro:

$5 at RS if you don't mind ugly, $10 if you want it pretty

[08:26:53]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: lol, well, it's an analog tuner, so it's a waste

[08:27:10]

CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: yeah, i even forgot i had it

[08:27:29]

sn9:

hachi: eeprom.ko?

[08:27:35]

sn9:

hachi: tveeprom.ko?

[08:28:03]

Tanthrix:

I have half a mind to set my old Packard Bell serial IR reciever on fire, now that I've got this wonderful MCE one

[08:28:06]

hachi:

http://nopaste.snit.ch/12102

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hachi:

my loaded modules (let me show you them :)

[08:28:33]

iamlindoro:

btw all of this (including the ir-kbd-i2c hauppauge=1, etc) is covered in the wiki page on the 350

[08:29:02]

sn9:

oh, i forgot to look there myself...

[08:29:04]

hachi:

http://nopaste.snit.ch/12103 input devices list

[08:29:18]

CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: well, i plan on using frontends though, which will have built in ir receivers

[08:29:31]

sn9:

i was going by modprobe -l/modinfo info

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iamlindoro:

Bastard cumcast

[08:29:55]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Any chance you have an RCA cable modem?

[08:30:00]

hachi:

iamlindoro: may I ask which wiki you refer to for the 350 docs?

[08:30:07]

iamlindoro:

hachi: The Mythtv Wiki

[08:30:11]

hachi:

thanks

[08:30:16]

hachi:

and thanks sn9... thanks a ton

[08:30:24]

iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: Why do you ask? I actually think it's Moto

[08:30:33]

califdreas:

well, at least comcast is cheap :P

[08:30:50]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: i'd never ever ever give cumcast businesd, go adsl

[08:30:59]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Some of the RCA cable modems (one of which I had the pleasure of owning) had a bad power connector that caused frequent drops

[08:31:16]

sn9:

i have inet over adsl, and tv over comcast

[08:31:20]

iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: Ahh, no I seldom see them, the last two are out of the ordinary, just kvetching

[08:31:27]

CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: mine did, but i had adsl since 2005

[08:31:59]

CCFL_Man2:

sn9: dammit why do you have tv over cumcast?

[08:32:09]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man2: Comcast has earned back a bit of my love since I picked up my STB the other day and found I got all my channels, SD, HD, and premium, over firewire

[08:32:28]

Tanthrix:

I'd get ADSL if locally they could match the speed and price of my cable connection (Constant 6mbps, $50 a month)

[08:32:34]

CCFL_Man2:

iamlindoro: lucky

[08:32:51]

iamlindoro:

Indeed

[08:32:59]

sn9:

i had adsl since 2001, when comcast (at that time still at&t) did not offer inet

[08:33:04]

iamlindoro:

sn9 does as well, also with Comcast

[08:33:20]

hachi:

maybe I spelled it wrong, I'll try again

[08:33:27]

CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: i have 3mb down for $35, plus i use a cisco router

[08:33:33]

hachi:

I'm pretty sure I did a cut-paste, but maybe I missed a letter

[08:33:40]

sn9:

iamlindoro: i still need to try the firewire on the dch-3200

[08:34:03]

Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: Too slow!

[08:34:04]

iamlindoro:

sn9: Well, here at least the firewire on the dch3200 seems wide(ish) open

[08:34:13]

CCFL_Man2:

sn9: bitch to the cable company

[08:34:31]

CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: better than the traffic shaped cumcast

[08:34:42]

sn9:

CCFL_Man2: about what?

[08:35:01]

CCFL_Man2:

sn9: enabling firewire

[08:35:21]

Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: Perhaps. But I don't bittorrent regularely, so it's not a big deal for me right now. I was contacted by their mysterious security department about going over the magic limit though

[08:35:22]

sn9:

CCFL_Man2: it is enabled. i just need to try it on the new box

[08:35:49]

hachi:

I will admit, I'm not running the latest of kernels... but I am running 2.6.22

[08:35:51]

Tanthrix:

CCFL_Man2: And I just checked again. Still only 1.5mbps available here :(

[08:36:02]

sn9:

hachi: .22 works

[08:36:19]

hachi:

I'll give this box a hard power cycle then... maybe that will help

[08:36:26]

sn9:

i have 3Mbit adsl

[08:36:33]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: By the way, if you hear any more news about that new HD encoder card and would be so kind, PM it my way

[08:36:36]

CCFL_Man2:

Tanthrix: on that would put me over the edge, they bitch at me for downloading too much i drop service like a big shit

[08:36:44]

sn9:

i beta tested adsl2+, also

[08:36:46]

CCFL_Man2:

sn9: ahh

[08:36:56]

iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: Sure will, although of course mkrufky is the best source of that

[08:37:45]

iamlindoro:

Already colluding with my parents to come over and upgrade their myth box and replace their DirecTV receivers with HD ones when the box comes out

[08:38:18]

hachi:

tveeprom 1–0050: has no radio, has IR receiver, has IR transmitter

[08:38:22]

hachi:

ivtv0: reopen i2c bus for IR-blaster support

[08:38:30]

hachi:

is that line supposed to imply I need to do something

[08:38:34]

hachi:

or that it's doing it?

[08:39:45]

sn9:

dunno, but looks to me like it's doing it

[08:40:07]

CCFL_Man2:

cumcast needs to realise it's customers don't just browse the net and download baby pictures in email

[08:40:21]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: The fact that it's USB still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But, beggars can't be choosers.

[08:40:36]

iamlindoro:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=487674&page=3

[08:40:37]

sn9:

CCFL_Man2: they do, and they try to change that

[08:41:00]

iamlindoro:

talks about putting lirc into debug mode for more info, may help

[08:41:04]

CCFL_Man2:

sn9: by offering business service at business price?

[08:41:31]

iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: I imagine if it's a huge success we'd see a PCI or PCIe version before too long

[08:41:33]

sn9:

CCFL_Man2: no business keeps comcast service for very long

[08:42:24]

CCFL_Man2:

sn9: i don't blame them

[08:42:25]

iamlindoro:

You might try rmmod ir-kbd-i2c, then modprobe ir-kbd-i2c hauppauge=1 debug=1

[08:42:29]

hachi:

maybe I broke this one of the times I got lirc to build and... blowing away my modules and starting again with a new kernel and reboot

[08:42:30]

sn9:

unless they don't expect to last very long

[08:42:34]

iamlindoro:

and see if dmesg has more info

[08:42:48]

CCFL_Man2:

i hate cumcast with a passion

[08:42:58]

hachi:

I have RCN (now astound)

[08:43:11]

hachi:

ooops, broke my nvidia modules now

[08:43:19]

sn9:

CCFL_Man2: you're not alone

[08:43:52]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Yah, but not until after I buy the damned USB one ;)

[08:43:56]

sn9:

rcn has been angling to provide service here for ages, but they still don't

[08:44:14]

iamlindoro:

Tanthrix: I imagine the sublime pleasure of capturing HD ought to pretty much take care of any buyer's remorse

[08:44:19]

hachi:

sn9: do you have this same card, if so... could you tell me what i2c modules you have loaded?

[08:44:28]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Hehe, true.

[08:44:36]

CCFL_Man2:

sn9: the fcc needs to kick their ass, they can't keep providing shitty service and treating customers like shit forever

[08:45:00]

sn9:

hachi: no, i used this method with a pvrusb2 and a cx88 card

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iamlindoro:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=487674&page=4 seems to imply that going into hardware.conf and making sure MODULES="lirc_pvr150" and ONLY that, after a reboot, was the fix for this same problem

[08:45:48]

iamlindoro:

ie, not MODULES="lirc_pvr150 lirc_i2c"

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sn9:

CCFL_Man2: that's beyond the fcc's mandate. things like that are the purview of the franchise authority

[08:46:54]

hachi:

lirc_pvr150 doesn't appear to be anything in the kernel or lirc modules set

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sn9:

iamlindoro: for a 350?

[08:47:06]

hachi:

I actually have a pvr 150

[08:47:23]

iamlindoro:

sn9: ah, good point, but same notion... s/pvr150/whatever

[08:47:25]

sn9:

hachi: you said 350 just a little while ago

[08:47:48]

hachi:

I don't think I did... I said I have the remote that has the filename '350' in it

[08:47:59]

hachi:

I plugged that url

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sn9:

knoppmyth has a lirc_pvr150.ko

[08:48:28]

iamlindoro:

ok, so back to checking into the above then :)

[08:48:43]

hachi:

I don't even see where that module comes from, so there's no way I can build it

[08:48:44]

iamlindoro:

check those modules in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf, and perhaps try a reboot

[08:49:03]

CCFL_Man2:

sn9: ahh, i see

[08:49:12]

sn9:

hachi: there's a forked lirc module set that knoppmyth uses; i forget the url

[08:50:12]

hachi:

ir-kbd-i2c: probe 0x1a @ ivtv i2c driver #0: no

[08:50:12]

hachi:

ir-kbd-i2c: probe 0x18 @ ivtv i2c driver #0: no

[08:50:12]

hachi:

ir-kbd-i2c: probe 0x4b @ ivtv i2c driver #0: no

[08:50:12]

hachi:

ir-kbd-i2c: probe 0x64 @ ivtv i2c driver #0: no

[08:50:12]

hachi:

ir-kbd-i2c: probe 0x30 @ ivtv i2c driver #0: no

[08:50:32]

hachi:

ivtv says it has it, then it says it doesn't?

[08:50:38]

iamlindoro:

I'm running a 150 on gutsy and have: /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/ubuntu/media/lirc/lirc_pvr150/lirc_pvr150.ko

[08:50:54]

iamlindoro:

hachi: This is ALL the same experience as in the thread I mentioned above...

[08:51:06]

hachi:

I totally didn't see a thread, hold on

[08:51:14]

iamlindoro:

posted it twice, actually...

[08:51:22]

iamlindoro:

most recently at 0045 hours..

[08:51:24]

hachi:

missed it both times, reading now

[08:51:30]

sn9:

CCFL_Man2: a guy at the franchise authority here told me he gets a daily earful of comcast-related grief, and he pipes it all to their "comcast department"

[08:51:40]

hachi:

problem is, I'm not running knoppix, or ubuntu

[08:51:48]

hachi:

I'm debian here, so that's why I don't have that module it seems

[08:52:03]

iamlindoro:

so compile lirc with that module, that's why it's not working

[08:52:10]

iamlindoro:

and *only* that module

[08:52:12]

hachi:

lirc has no source for that module

[08:52:17]

hachi:

that's what I said just a minute ago

[08:52:29]

** iamlindoro goes to look at the lirc source himself **

[08:52:36]

hachi:

I can't compile it if there's no source for it, and I grabbed the latest lirc source

[08:52:56]

tjcarter:

this is irritating. =D

[08:53:09]

hachi:

tjcarter: sorry :(

[08:53:23]

tjcarter:

It's far too difficult for a reasonably honest guy to figure out how to do something that is technically illegal =D

[08:53:44]

hachi:

oh... something completely different

[08:53:45]

tjcarter:

I knew I should have saved that page.

[08:53:59]

sn9:

tjcarter: not the hdcp talk again...

[08:54:25]

tjcarter:

sn9: no, the DVB card setup that allows you to get Dish Network signals into your computer.

[08:54:32]

sn9:

oh

[08:54:42]

tjcarter:

which in the United States constitutes DMCA trouble.

[08:54:55]

sn9:

and is a nono in this channel

[08:54:55]

iamlindoro:

tjcarter: It's more than just that

[08:55:02]

tjcarter:

Most often used to steal Dish or to feed DVRs.

[08:55:09]

tjcarter:

Or both at the same time =D

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** tjcarter is contemplating the feeding of a DVR. **

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sn9:

hauppauge hd-pvr to the rescue!

[08:55:58]

tjcarter:

that's the thing that isn't out yet isn't it?

[08:56:14]

sn9:

it's out *this* quarter

[08:56:16]

iamlindoro:

http://ml.osdir.com/hardware.lirc/2006-01/msg00091.html

[08:56:18]

iamlindoro:

boom

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tjcarter:

yeah but it won't work for Myth until next quarter.

[08:56:29]

iamlindoro:

patch for lirc_pvr150

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sn9:

tjcarter: you don't know that

[08:56:51]

iamlindoro:

tjcarter: Not when mkrufky is currently writing the windows driver and moving to the linux one next... may be done before the box is out

[08:56:52]

tjcarter:

and frankly, if I can get the signal directly out of the dish...

[08:57:17]

tjcarter:

iamlindoro: Myth doesn't support AVC yet does it?

[08:57:33]

sn9:

won't need to

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iamlindoro:

tjcarter: The box will dor AVC *or* h.264

[08:57:41]

tjcarter:

er

[08:57:49]

tjcarter:

h.264 is AVC?

[08:58:08]

iamlindoro:

almost all EU dvb = h.264, which myth supports fine

[08:58:29]

tjcarter:

okay, works for me.

[08:58:39]

iamlindoro:

tjcarter: Yeah, was making the same point, lost in translation

[08:59:00]

tjcarter:

still, grabbing the DVB stream straight off the wire would be better.

[08:59:18]

iamlindoro:

You just can't please some people...

[08:59:26]

sn9:

of course, it will be decoded from compressed digital to analog, and then encoded right back

[09:00:12]

tjcarter:

sn9: that's why I'm saying.. If I can bypass that stage, and for less than I'd spend on the Hauppauge device (especially since I'd be buying two of them), I would in a heartbeat.

[09:00:31]

sn9:

tjcarter: comcast

[09:00:32]

tjcarter:

No qualms whatsoever regarding breaking DRM.

[09:00:40]

tjcarter:

I don't get Comcast.

[09:00:49]

tjcarter:

My choices are Charter and MInet

[09:00:57]

sn9:

charter, then

[09:00:58]

tjcarter:

Charter blows goats

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hachi:

iamlindoro: sadly that patch fails a number of hunks... so now I'm hunting to get it to patch properly

[09:01:09]

tjcarter:

They don't even really have digital cable out here.

[09:01:44]

tjcarter:

MInet is a typical digital cable setup--or appears to be. It's a fiber network ;)

[09:01:48]

tjcarter:

mmmm, fiber.

[09:01:52]

tjcarter:

crunchy.

[09:02:09]

sn9:

get you internet from minet, too, and save...

[09:02:28]

sn9:

ftth/fttp

[09:02:34]

iamlindoro:

hachi: patch against the revision it was written for

[09:03:09]

hachi:

so, what's the deal with getting this to work without lirc modules?

[09:03:16]

sn9:

iamlindoro: it's been forward-ported since then

[09:03:28]

iamlindoro:

sn9: So give him the link for the newer patch

[09:03:47]

sn9:

i would, but i don't remember where i saw it

[09:05:09]

sn9:

some weird-looking url

[09:05:10]

hachi:

I'm struggling to remember how to use cvs... I haven't touched it in like 3 years

[09:05:25]

hachi:

XD

[09:06:14]

hachi:

oh, I bet it's just cvs up -r [whatever]

[09:06:52]

sn9:

eee backend...

[09:07:09]

tjcarter:

sn9: I do.

[09:07:15]

tjcarter:

http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-1%20%3C/t-79680.html

[09:07:20]

tjcarter:

^^ describes some of the details

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tjcarter:

ironically, the guy complaining the thread is approaching illegality is the one who basically describes how to do it ;)

[09:07:38]

clever:

make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.prl', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.

[09:07:41]

clever:

i broke it!

[09:07:45]

hachi:

uhhh

[09:08:18]

hachi:

iamlindoro: I can't patch against the version it was done against... it says 'revision 494' or something

[09:08:28]

hachi:

and I just realized that cvs versions are not like that

[09:08:30]

clever:

494!!!

[09:08:43]

clever:

feels like a very early version:P

[09:08:47]

hachi:

cvs is at least a two part number with a decimal seperator

[09:08:57]

hachi:

revision 794, sorry

[09:09:05]

hachi:

still... it's not a cvs revision number

[09:09:07]

clever:

myth is up into the 15k area

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[09:09:19]

clever:

and my myth wont make

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sn9:

clever: that's svn

[09:09:29]

hachi:

lirc is in cvs

[09:09:31]

clever:

sn9: yeah

[09:09:34]

clever:

ahh

[09:09:48]

clever:

i havent had a need to update/pull/fetch new lirc source

[09:10:21]

hachi:

what about the ivtv driver again?

[09:10:26]

hachi:

I thought that was supposed to work

[09:10:31]

hachi:

I don't need irblaster support

[09:10:49]

sn9:

you using ivtv pkgs or hg?

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hachi:

I'd guess that I'm using something at or close to linus' mainline at 2.6.22

[09:12:11]

sn9:

but where did you get it?

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hachi:

debian

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clever:

my ivtv is a horidly old version from 6.06 thru module-assistant

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sn9:

hachi: the ivtv pkgs?

[09:12:50]

hachi:

hold on... I forgot apparently

[09:12:56]

hachi:

I thought this was just in the mainline kernel

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sn9:

it is, but it's elsewhere, too

[09:13:15]

hachi:

ii ivtv-modules-2.6.22-3–686 2.6.22+1.0.3–4 iTVC15 family MPEG codecs modules for Linux

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hachi:

there we go

[09:13:25]

hachi:

1.0.3–4

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sn9:

so, the deb ivtv pkgs...

[09:13:46]

hachi:

yeah

[09:14:25]

hachi:

oh, no, that's for fb support

[09:14:30]

hachi:

I'm running 1.0.0

[09:15:03]

hachi:

removing that because I don't have a 350

[09:15:08]

sn9:

sid?

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sn9:

or lenny?

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hachi:

lenny

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hachi:

sid is 2.6.23

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sn9:

here's what you'll have to do with lenny:

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sn9:

apt-get source ivtv-modules-2.6.22-3–686

[09:16:43]

hachi:

I can happily switch to sid kernel, if it's easier

[09:17:05]

sn9:

edit the packaging sources

[09:17:18]

sn9:

package a current hg snapshot

[09:17:31]

sn9:

create an nmu deb

[09:17:37]

hachi:

that package is for fb support

[09:17:40]

hachi:

not for the encoder

[09:17:52]

sn9:

irrelevant

[09:18:08]

sn9:

you won't keep its code

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hachi:

dpkg will barf if two packages try to own the same files, so yes, relevant

[09:18:43]

hachi:

I could force it, sure

[09:18:51]

hachi:

but I might as well just install ivtv HEAD right now

[09:18:52]

sn9:

that's why you edit the packaging sources

[09:19:13]

hachi:

I'd have to edit the packaging sources for linux-image-2.6.22-3–686 as well

[09:19:17]

sn9:

yes, install that, but debianize it for m-a

[09:19:19]

clever:

make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.prl', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.

[09:19:24]

clever:

mythtv is still broken

[09:19:32]

hachi:

now m-a I have no clue how to handle

[09:19:39]

hachi:

I've had nothing but bad luck with it

[09:20:03]

clever:

it worked perfectly for ivtv under 6.06

[09:20:06]

sn9:

in that case, post an rfp to wnpp

[09:20:27]

clever:

hachi: but m-a cant do lirc on any of my systems

[09:20:41]

clever:

and i cant manualy build newer ivtv's

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sn9:

hachi: do you use the box for anything besides myth?

[09:22:44]

clever:

installing libqt-mt-dev

[09:22:51]

clever:

woooo 43mb it wants!

[09:23:14]

clever:

i got 6 gig to spare though

[09:23:14]

tjcarter:

is that all?

[09:23:34]

clever:

0 upgraded, 49 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

[09:23:35]

clever:

Need to get 14.8MB of archives.

[09:23:35]

clever:

After unpacking 44.3MB of additional disk space will be used.

[09:23:36]

hachi:

sn9: no? (I want to hear your suggestion)

[09:24:23]

tjcarter:

$ sudo apt-get install libqt-mt-dev

[09:24:25]

tjcarter:

...

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tjcarter:

the following 601 packages will also be installed:

[09:24:40]

tjcarter:

...

[09:24:56]

clever:

ouch

[09:25:05]

tjcarter:

do you want to continue? [Y/n]: holyshit!

[09:25:08]

clever:

ive allready got most of the qt lib's to run myth

[09:25:20]

tjcarter:

taking that as a yes....

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sn9:

hachi: you have a dedicated myth box with straight debian? no wonder you went all head-desk. knoppmyth and mythbuntu both have a rich debian heritage and exist for the purpose of offloading the head-desk onto others

[09:25:33]

clever:

but my building system for most of the frontends went tits up

[09:25:36]

tjcarter:

[1] get http://.....

[09:25:48]

clever:

hdd is toast

[09:25:59]

clever:

netbooting it now and using a portion of the drive as swap

[09:26:31]

tjcarter:

could be worse!

[09:26:39]

tjcarter:

$ sudo apt-get install gnome

[09:26:40]

tjcarter:

...

[09:26:48]

clever:

allready did that:P

[09:26:59]

tjcarter:

the following 71,855 packages will also be installed:

[09:27:01]

clever:

ive got nearly a full gnome on my netbooters

[09:27:02]

tjcarter:

...

[09:27:04]

clever:

OUCH

[09:27:22]

tjcarter:

Those might both be slight exaggerations.

[09:27:22]

clever:

dpkg -l|wc -l

[09:27:24]

clever:

905

[09:27:25]

tjcarter:

But only slight.

[09:27:31]

clever:

how many you got?

[09:27:43]

tjcarter:

oh I'm making shit up as I go here =D

[09:27:43]

hachi:

sn9: the real backend I'm using is a mysql/mysql/mysql (yes 3 of them) ldap, samba, build environment for 3 embedded devices... etc.

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mdew-home:

root@ubuntu:~# dpkg -l | wc -l

[09:28:04]

mdew-home:

1485

[09:28:07]

mdew-home:

:o

[09:28:24]

sn9:

hachi: ok, but you wanted to know about the front

[09:28:24]

clever:

hachi: ive tried to run a 2nd mysql for myth in a diff timezone but i couldnt figure out how to give it a diff config+datadir+port

[09:28:35]

clever:

hachi: how are you doing it?

[09:28:47]

tjcarter:

tjcarter@etusko:~$ uname -rs; dpkg -l | wc -l

[09:28:47]

tjcarter:

Darwin 9.1.0 222

[09:28:59]

tjcarter:

222

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hachi:

clever: mythtv is running on the primary mysql setup for me

[09:29:10]

sn9:

tjcarter: oooh, leopard

[09:29:12]

hachi:

I did get the timezone stuff all ironed out without setting a timezone on my mysql server

[09:29:13]

clever:

hachi: yeah but how are you geting 3 mysqld's?

[09:29:34]

tjcarter:

don't ask me why it put 222 on the Darwin line in the paste

[09:29:35]

clever:

hachi: i was running all of myth in 1 zone and mysql in another and it broke the times in the guide

[09:29:41]

** tjcarter blames Terminal.app **

[09:29:42]

hachi:

you run the socks in different places and tell it to bind in a different location

[09:29:47]

clever:

hachi: so i just stuck the datadir on a nfs export and ran mysql on a frontend

[09:29:58]

hachi:

ouch, slow mysql

[09:30:04]

clever:

yeah

[09:30:08]

clever:

at first it was on the fast laptop

[09:30:11]

clever:

with unstable wifi

[09:30:21]

clever:

then i needed to take the laptop with me

[09:30:22]

hachi:

I play a DBA sometimes on TV

[09:30:29]

clever:

so i shifted it over to the media frontend(400mhz)

[09:30:31]

hachi:

so I just sorta... did it

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tjcarter:

sn9: what did you expect me to be running?

[09:30:52]

clever:

hachi: then mysql defaults on ubuntu made several gig of binary logs and killed mysql:P

[09:31:18]

clever:

those damn defaults keep hitting me hard!

[09:31:30]

sn9:

tjcarter: i still have not only tiger running, but panther, too

[09:31:31]

clever:

i think theP4 ate 10 or more gig before i noticed it

[09:31:49]

tjcarter:

panther? Why?

[09:31:55]

hachi:

yeah, the guys at mysql know the binlogs keep hitting people on accident

[09:32:08]

tjcarter:

You lugging around a Pismo or something?

[09:32:14]

clever:

ubuntu defaults to keeping many weeks of binlog i think

[09:32:14]

sn9:

tjcarter: because upgrading fink is a PITA

[09:32:21]

clever:

painfull when i never even use it

[09:32:22]

tjcarter:

haha

[09:32:34]

tjcarter:

was just discussing the alternative in #fink a moment ago

[09:32:37]

sn9:

and pismos run tiger faster than panther

[09:32:40]

hachi:

it's not ubuntu, it's just mysql

[09:32:53]

clever:

ah

[09:32:56]

hachi:

you don't purge binlogs till the slave is caught up with them

[09:33:00]

hachi:

it's just how you do things

[09:33:02]

clever:

i thought the default my.cnf on other distro's was better

[09:33:10]

clever:

and i dont have any slaves!

[09:33:18]

hachi:

well, maybe ubuntu turns binlogs on by default, that could be it

[09:33:24]

clever:

yeah

[09:33:31]

tjcarter:

basically MacPorts is the new name, but it's still DarwinPorts IMO, and I pretty much drew the line when someone asked a security question related to /ect/sudoers and was told if he couldn't RTFM, he was too stupid to be worth answering.

[09:34:15]

tjcarter:

Person I was discussing this commented that it is a long manpage for sudoers, yes, and it references EBNF, but he knows EBNF since he's actually written a compiler..

[09:34:43]

tjcarter:

I asked, should one first learn to write a compiler before they're worth an answer on a computer security question?

[09:34:53]

tjcarter:

Person I was talking with didn't answer.

[09:34:55]

tjcarter:

;)

[09:34:56]

clever:

i havent even made a compiler and i can edit sudoers and understand the security risks im making:P

[09:35:28]

sn9:

i knew someone would say that

[09:35:31]

tjcarter:

clever: sudoers syntax can get pretty interesting, and you can very easily give access you don't intend.

[09:35:38]

clever:

yeah

[09:35:44]

hachi:

my sudoers file tends to look like

[09:35:44]

tjcarter:

clever: but the point is that the manpage for sudoers is TERRIBLE.

[09:35:50]

tjcarter:

it's unrealistic too.

[09:35:53]

clever:

lol

[09:35:57]

hachi:

hachi ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL

[09:36:06]

hachi:

I'm very very lazy

[09:36:07]

clever:

most of my sudoers editing was on my laptop

[09:36:07]

** tjcarter roots hachi ;) **

[09:36:10]

clever:

which went tits up

[09:36:24]

clever:

that is now locked inside a partition image id have to mount thru loopback

[09:36:25]

tjcarter:

clever: what part of it died, and what vintage?

[09:36:35]

clever:

tjcarter: the harddrive is failing

[09:36:38]

hachi:

tjcarter: go right ahead... you want my mythtv videos or maybe my mp3 collection?

[09:36:40]

clever:

tjcarter: smart claims it has 24 hours to live

[09:36:41]

tjcarter:

ah

[09:36:54]

clever:

tjcarter: i noticed the problem a few weeks ago and later ran smartctl on it

[09:37:07]

tjcarter:

hachi: both obviously. Because I break DRM, I must be a filthy media pirate.

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clever:

5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 001 001 010 Pre-fail Always FAILING_NOW 1542

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[09:37:37]

clever:

Jan 8 19:08:12 olddell smartd[5564]: Device: /dev/sda, FAILED SMART self-check. BACK UP DATA NOW!

[09:37:38]

tjcarter:

clever: ah, new enough to have SMART, that means it's probably worth fixing. =)

[09:37:40]

clever:

Jan 8 19:08:12 olddell smartd[5564]: Device: /dev/sda, 8 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors

[09:37:55]

clever:

i backed the entire rootfs up

[09:37:58]

clever:

reformated it

[09:38:15]

clever:

its got a partial install of 7.10 now with root on lvm(and swap too)

[09:38:20]

sn9:

tjcarter: a modern had disk worth fixing? blasphemy!

[09:38:31]

clever:

im currently just leeching the swap out of it from my nfsroot frontend(which has gnome)

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sn9:

*hard'

[09:38:55]

clever:

i was going on a short vacation

[09:39:05]

clever:

and the laptop is in horid shape(lcd panel isnt even scrwed in)

[09:39:13]

clever:

1 bump on the road and it would fall appar

[09:39:13]

clever:

t

[09:39:26]

clever:

so i just tore the hdd out and stuffed it in a newer laptop

[09:39:35]

hachi:

trying v4l-dvb TIP

[09:39:36]

clever:

worked great in the past(even made compiz work)

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tjcarter:

clever: I aquire ancient lappy beasties that are basically not worth more than the cost of shipping, pay that, outfit them with new (not original) NiCd or NiMH packs, replace the HD with a CF card, and load them up with old versions of software.. I then give them to college students who have no computer =D

[09:39:53]

clever:

tjcarter: but this time the journal was failing to sync and it kept remounting ro

[09:40:38]

clever:

i assumed something was overheating/incompatible for some random reason(scsi emulation of pata drives maybe) and just stoped using it

[09:40:49]

clever:

but it still had problems when back in the original laptop

[09:40:51]

hachi:

PETA drives

[09:41:00]

tjcarter:

I think the last one I built cost me $35 total. The person who had the dead lappy sent it to me himself because he thought what I was doing with it was cool.

[09:41:01]

clever:

paralel ata

[09:41:15]

hachi:

this isn't IDE, it's SATAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[09:41:19]

sn9:

PITA drives

[09:41:21]

tjcarter:

PETA? People for the Eating of Tasty Animals?

[09:41:31]

clever:

hachi: paralel/ide(non serial)

[09:41:42]

hachi:

I know

[09:41:43]

hachi:

http://www.rebelz.net/gallery/v/fun/computers/IDE_SATA.jpg.html

[09:41:49]

hachi:

I'm just being silly and stupid

[09:41:51]

clever:

newer kernels show it as a scsi device(sda)

[09:42:05]

sn9:

hachi: you've earned it

[09:42:15]

hachi:

the stupid part, yes

[09:42:27]

hachi:

also the bozo bit

[09:42:39]

clever:

lol @ link

[09:42:51]

tjcarter:

Anyway, so if any of you happen to have such ancient beasties and the cost of shipment isn't too high, send here and I'll rebuild and give it a home ;)

[09:43:12]

clever:

i have 3 50mhz toshiba laptops

[09:43:19]

sn9:

tjcarter: the cost of shipping is *always* too high

[09:43:20]

clever:

20mb ram on one of them

[09:43:22]

tjcarter:

clever: 486! =D

[09:43:27]

clever:

486 dx

[09:43:31]

tjcarter:

awesome

[09:43:40]

clever:

im lucky it even has a math co processor!

[09:43:53]

hachi:

:((((

[09:43:53]

clever:

was able to make it into a partialy working thin client for X

[09:44:03]

clever:

it totaly lacks a pci bus

[09:44:03]

tjcarter:

partially working? ;)

[09:44:10]

clever:

so i have no idea how to get the pcmcia ethernet going

[09:44:16]

hachi:

I haven't had a 486 in like 7 years

[09:44:20]

clever:

and tcp over ppp over serial is slow and unstable

[09:44:22]

sn9:

i have a 486dx-100 lappy that never worked, fried nicd batt, half-gig hd

[09:44:30]

clever:

and X11 is bandwidth hungry

[09:45:31]

sn9:

i'll be installing puppy linux on a p75

[09:46:01]

sn9:

maxed out to 40mb ram

[09:46:13]

sn9:

had 16mb when i got it

[09:46:33]

sn9:

yay, ebay

[09:48:04]

sn9:

it was interesting running damnsmall on it when it had 16

[09:48:40]

sn9:

also, getting it on there with no cd and no ethernet

[09:48:51]

sn9:

i learned all about plip

[09:49:11]

hachi:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, okay.... running v4l-dvb TIP doesn't even work

[09:49:13]

tjcarter:

I use a home rolled thing for Pentium 1 lappy's

[09:49:26]

tjcarter:

Mainly because I want it tidy in 512MB CF

[09:49:27]

hachi:

I have got to be missing some module that enables the i2c bus or something

[09:49:42]

sn9:

tjcarter: wow, you're really hard-core...

[09:50:49]

sn9:

won't even use pentoo...

[09:51:05]

tjcarter:

sn9: not on a Pentium 1 laptop I'm giving away!

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sn9:

i was referring to the "home-rolled" bit

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tjcarter:

oh bleh, that's mostly because I wanted to use uclibc and the uclibc dists weren't popular at the time

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sn9:

using uclibc on a p1 kinda kills the buzz of linuxing it

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tjcarter:

yeah but I'm not building these things for nerds

[09:53:40]

tjcarter:

I'm building them for people who need to be shown WFW because they don't undertand this program mamager thing.

[09:53:49]

sn9:

i mean, i actually ran (well, walked) xorg on debian-m68k on an old mac...

[09:58:14]

hachi:

sn9: I just found out that there's an itvt-dev here on freenode... I'm leaving a long-running question in that channel about this :\

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sn9:

hachi: it's a packaging thing, so not really their prob

[09:59:16]

hachi:

huh?

[09:59:29]

hachi:

I installed v4l-dvb tip

[09:59:36]

hachi:

I'm running driver 1.2.0 now

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hachi:

still no go

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sn9:

hmm

[10:00:35]

hachi:

ivtv.ko says it sees the receiver still

[10:00:48]

hachi:

but the kbd module says it can't probe for any

[10:06:06]

hachi:

http://nopaste.snit.ch/12104

[10:06:17]

hachi:

for completeness :|

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jduggan:

2008-01–12 10:41:07.597 TVRec(2) Error: GetProgramRingBufferForLiveTV()

[10:41:55]

jduggan:

wtf

[10:41:59]

jduggan:

ive been watching livetv all morning

[10:42:03]

jduggan:

then it freezes up

[10:42:05]

jduggan:

with this

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jduggan:

any ideas?

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maki_d:

hi

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sn9:

jduggan: what kind of input?

[10:44:00]

maki_d:

is there a workaround for mythtv & lm_sensors 3.0?

[10:44:30]

sn9:

maki_d: i think there is in trunk

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rooaus:

maki_d: The lm_sensors stuff has been broken out into a script that runs externally and provides "Miscellaneous" info for the status page in trunk.

[10:46:01]

maki_d:

so mythtv from svn works fine ?

[10:46:04]

rooaus:

you can provide any arbitrary info via this mechanism I believe

[10:46:32]

maki_d:

rooaus: i can start mythbackend without lm_sensors?

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rooaus:

maki_d: Never used it myself, I assume you are using a 0.20.2 package?

[10:48:15]

maki_d:

yes

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jduggan:

sn9: its component input to a pvr150

[10:49:16]

sn9:

pvr150 has no component inputs

[10:49:21]

jduggan:

sorry

[10:49:22]

jduggan:

composite

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sn9:

maybe your ivtv is old

[10:49:56]

jduggan:

erm

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jduggan:

doubt it mate

[10:50:07]

jduggan:

this has worked flawlessly for 2months

[10:50:10]

jduggan:

nothing has upgraded

[10:50:17]

jduggan:

as i say – i was watching livetv all morning

[10:50:23]

jduggan:

and now i get this error suddenly

[10:50:26]

jduggan:

livetv stalled

[10:50:29]

jduggan:

=]

[10:50:40]

sn9:

have you changed any bios settings recently?

[10:50:46]

jduggan:

nothing at all

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rooaus:

maki_d: Seems it is a build option, not run time from my quick search. Is it causing you problems?

[10:51:10]

sn9:

power spike?

[10:51:27]

jduggan:

sn9: if there was it didnt trip any power

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maki_d:

rooaus: i can't run the backend

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sn9:

jduggan: i mean within the psu

[10:53:04]

jduggan:

not as far as i know

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rooaus:

maki_d: Oh, kind of a problem then. What distro you using?

[10:53:21]

jduggan:

hmm

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jduggan:

mythbuntu on the backend and gentoo on the frontend

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sn9:

what's your gpu?

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jduggan:

5200

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sn9:

hmm

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maki_d:

rooaus: archlinux

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sn9:

if you had said 61x0, i would have said "aha!" but 5200 is fine

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rooaus:

maki_d: So you think the backend was built against a version of lm_sensors that is incompatible with that installed on your machine? Would pacman (or whatever it is called) handle those sort of conflicts?

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rooaus:

maki_d: Just checked the latest 0.20-fixes configure, there is no option to disable lm_sensors, you would need to hack the configure script or remove lm_sensors from the box you built it on.

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rooaus:

maki_d: I have only looked at Archlinux briefly, but is this something that ABS (or whatever it is called) could solve?

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jduggan:

sn9: seems its a problem with the STB im recording from – im getting all the menus fine and it apparently browses channels with the STB's OSD etc, but the channels are just blank – does myth have detection for a blank recording stream?

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Solv:

using knoppmyth r527 and i can skip forward fine, but if I jump ahead, it goes back to the beginning point of when i starte watching livetv....is there a patch or something for this?

[11:46:42]

justinh:

maybe you've not got enough bufferred

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** justinh goes to look up this 'live tv' thing anyway **

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Solv:

justinh....as in a setting in the playback setup? If I pause it for 2 or 3 minutes, jump ahead would normally jump to wherever 'realtime' was up to at the time (on my old gentoo box setup)....

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Solv:

but with myth it goes back to the beginning...and what's worse...it thinks it's the end...so i can't go forward to realtime without exiting and starting tv again

[11:49:26]

Solv:

s/myth/knoppmyth

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justinh:

there's no setting for how much you leave bufferred. if you're 5 mins behind in livetv & you try to skip 6 mins ahead, something'll have to give. wouldn't expect it to do that though

[11:51:27]

justinh:

there might be a setting to do with what happens when you try to skip past the end of the buffer, but I've never seen it

[11:51:41]

justinh:

that doesn't mean one doesn't exist though ;)

[11:52:24]

Solv:

hmmm...it used to just basiaclly go the end of the buffer fine...so whether it was 10 seconds or 5 minutes...it wouldn

[11:52:26]

Solv:

'woops

[11:52:55]

Solv:

wouldn't go any longer than specified....but wouldn't foobar if the amount specified was longer than had already been buffered...if that makes sense

[11:55:09]

justinh:

is this an all in one box or another frontend by any chance? TZ differences between machines can cause wibbles

[11:56:32]

Solv:

justinh, it's a all in one

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justinh:

not gonna be a simple TZ fix then

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Solv:

hmmm....i looked on the knoppmyth forums...but no other mention of the same problem...so i'm not sure if it's a bug or not...and also not sure where to start looking...forntend logs or backend logs...or run from command line and look at the output?

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jduggan:

howcome in my colour ('g') menu i can only switch beween -1 and 1 for Hue?

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justinh:

jduggan: hue doesn't affect PAL

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justinh:

PAL doesn't need hue. only NTSC gets its colour phase screwed up. PAL doesn't. that's why The Simpsons are yellow. NSTC flesh tones == yellow

[12:07:58]

justinh:

yellow/green

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jduggan:

ah

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jduggan:

im trying to correct a purple tinge to my tv

[12:13:50]

jduggan:

ive reduces color but its still there

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jduggan:

reduced*

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justinh:

sounds like your TV needs degaussing

[12:17:09]

justinh:

either that or you have speakers too close to it

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justinh:

behold the big advantage of flat panels :)

[12:17:39]

jduggan:

aha

[12:17:42]

jduggan:

could be speakers

[12:17:46]

jduggan:

its an LCD tv

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tjcarter:

I'M AN UNCLE =D

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jduggan:

im a man from uncle

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justinh:

it's an LCD? rofl. well let's just say that it's nothing to do with magnetics then.

[12:20:32]

justinh:

is the purple tinge there on all inputs? if so, take it back & get one without the sucky sucky

[12:20:54]

jduggan:

no purple tinge is just mythtv

[12:21:18]

justinh:

how is the box connected to the TV? VGA?

[12:21:23]

jduggan:

ive rebooted now – its come back

[12:21:25]

jduggan:

yea VGA

[12:21:36]

justinh:

could be too much R & too much B

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jduggan:

terrible quality on the vga input though

[12:22:02]

justinh:

you can use settings applets to tweak that AFAIK

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jduggan:

its a 'stretched' 4:3

[12:22:12]

jduggan:

not native widescreen res

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jduggan:

which is terrible

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XLV:

jduggan, my crt tv had such a purple tinge.. then i cleaned it from all the dust on the tube.. now it has great colors :P

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justinh:

what make/model is it? need to put it on my list of ones not to buy

[12:27:27]

jduggan:

it's a toshiba something or other – ive had it bout 3years now – i havent seen it sold for a while :)

[12:27:53]

XLV:

jduggan, if the lcd has hdmi or dvi, and pc has dvi, use a dvi to dvi or hdmi to dvi cable

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jduggan:

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jduggan:

;]

[12:28:32]

jduggan:

should have held out – can get a real nice screen for that money now

[12:28:33]

jduggan:

but oh well

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XLV:

a lg32lc51 i have on the other appartment, the little i have used with a pc, in windows, it was ok quality wise

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jduggan:

XLV: yes i plan on doing dvi->HDMI to get it's native res – i just need a new video card for my workstation so i can take it's second dvi card out and use that

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justinh:

there's an LG one that retails for about 3 grand (GBP) – it's not even 1080p ffs

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justinh:

jduggan: your set might be a different beast over DVI/HDMI though

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XLV:

justinh, what model? cause lg got 37" 1080p for 950E here

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justinh:

think it's LG anyway. most expensive LCD I've seen

[12:32:24]

XLV:

doubt it cause they always got lowest or among lowest prices... maybe it has some other tech to increase its price

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justinh:

ah no it was a Pioneer Kuro thing

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justinh:

50" & not even 1080p. £2800

[12:33:12]

justinh:

and it's a plasma not LCD. oops

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XLV:

i am thinking of getting a lg 37lf75.. about 1000E here

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justinh:

my inlaws just got a Sony 37" LCD for xmas. it's not bad. not great. not worth £699 though

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justinh:

the picture looks erm.. over-processed. unnatural. seen a lot worse though, and it's nowhere near as bad as I thought it'd be

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justinh:

what I don't get is the fact all these progressive displays are now the norm yet TV is gonna be interlaced for the very considerable future

[12:35:27]

justinh:

and so many sets are absolutely rubbish at deinterlacing

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XLV:

yeah, i am not impressed with the quality of that lg32lc51 i mentioned above.. that one cost only 450E though, we got mainly cause of space constrains

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XLV:

w got it wall-mounted

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justinh:

well, lest we all want to get stiff necks in here, no wall-mounting will be going on

[12:36:20]

justinh:

not unless I move the fireplace

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jduggan:

heh

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mzb_d800:

hic

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justinh:

a lot of people round here have panels above their 5 foot high fireplaces. ouchy

[12:37:08]

justinh:

great if you sit 3 feet off the ground

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justinh:

a projector would be nice if I had a full-on home cinema room. apart from the running costs

[12:38:15]

jduggan:

what i dont like about some wall mounted setups that friends/family of mine have is that they have trailing power/video cable down the wall

[12:38:23]

jduggan:

purely aesthetic i know, but ugly

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justinh:

that's the bitch in most _real_ homes. you can't do the right thing all the time

[12:38:51]

justinh:

jduggan: whats up with them? scared of a bit of skimming? :P

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XLV:

well, we mounted it using this mount http://www.sanus.com/us/en/products/ProductDe . . . lCode/MF110/ and in sensible height

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jduggan:

justinh: lol

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mzb_d800:

problem with the lounge room in this house is that it's narrow ... and the best wall for a screen is taken up with a huge fireplace (60's house?) which originally held an oil heater (the fashion here at that time) ... since replaced (replicated!) with a "look-alike" electric heater ... complete waste of a wall

[12:39:35]

justinh:

I could always mount a TV on the wall in the corner, but that's just going against every bone in my body. telly in the corner. ffs

[12:39:42]

XLV:

so it can turn sideways to see it from the dinner table which is at 90deg angle with the normal view

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justinh:

my lounge/dining room is 4m by 10m

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jduggan:

mzb_d800: yank the fireplace out and get some decent radiators :P

[12:40:20]

mzb_d800:

rental

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mzb_d800:

moving soon

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justinh:

do it anyway. you don't need the bond back. infact they should pay you to do it :D

[12:40:52]

mzb_d800:

different in .au

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mzb_d800:

+ not spending $ improving somebody else's house ;)

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justinh:

aye totally. I'd be the same

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jduggan:

yea i hate that

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jduggan:

i rent a house

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jduggan:

i really want to cat5 it properly

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mzb_d800:

($ better saved for improvements on next house)

[12:41:42]

jduggan:

but not worth the investment

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mzb_d800:

(hence $70 mythv system ... oh wait ... add $50 + $150 for PCI tuner and 500GB hdd for Christmas;)

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jduggan:

problem is unless i move to some dump im not likely to be able to afford to buy a house

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jduggan:

UK isnt friendly for first time buyers

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mzb_d800:

either way ... need room big enough (and well laid out) to house 48" RPTV ;)) (==$0)

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mzb_d800:

almost got IR transmitter working properly today .. added 2nd IR led and it stopped .. will diagnose tomorrow, but idea is to replace 4 remotes with 1 (when I get 100% result, rather than 80%)

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mzb_d800:

jduggan: I don't expect our (first) house to be a palace either ... I don't work and the boss isn't earning a fortune ... hopefully we'll get something we can call home anyway ;) (at least for a while)

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mzb_d800:

(or I'll get a job before we apply for our house and our chances increase x2)

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XLV:

today i got the ms mce remote.. 30E.. and some nice quality cables that solved the EMI problems i had...

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XLV:

now i need to install that pvr 250

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mzb_d800:

"Daddy Duty" has slowed my progress down a bit ... but at least I've had the pleasure of spending time with our baby daughter in lieu of $

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XLV:

any manufacturer got around to provide some pci express tuner that works in linux? even one based on usb2 but internal, like hauppage nova-t

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justinh:

XLV: not AFAIK

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siXy:

XLV: no, ad doesn't look likely in the near future from what i am told

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adante:

blehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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adante:

i cannot for the life of me figure out how to stop commflagging while keeping transcoding

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adante:

could somebody who has this working (no commflagging, yes transcoding) provide me with a dump of their mythconverg.settings table?

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justinh:

adante: select title, starttime from record where autocommflag=1;

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justinh:

adante: I suspect you have existing schedules set up to auto commflag

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justinh:

and in settings, change JobAllowCommFlag to 0

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adante:

ahhhhhhh yes i do, cheers

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blackest:

any tips on installing mythweb from svn ? i just got the php module up and working but are there any other not mentioned bits that i need to do before it will work?

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justinh:

and AutoCommflagWhileRecording

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justinh:

blackest: read the readme & install dos

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justinh:

*docs

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blackest:

yes that tells me some of what to do ... a mention of you probably wont have php installed for apache would have been nice

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adante:

joballowcommflag is 0 (i think that is what was set from mythtv-setup) – but, that seems to just cause NO jobs to be run (i have a big backlog of jobs now)

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blackest:

but i am getting there and writing a guide for ubuntu users as i get through the issues

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justinh:

blackest: put it in the mythtv wiki aswell

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blackest:

do i need to enable mod-env or just put the mythweb files in the right place

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adante:

anyway will try this, restart myth and see how she goes

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adante:

thanks again justinh

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blackest:

thats exactly where it is going

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blackest:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythWeb_SVN_Ubuntu

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blackest:

its a lousy style but i think it makes sense so far

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Daviey:

blackest: why not just use the mythbuntu weekly builds? :)

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tantris:

Hi! I can't find a solution why mythtv does not work after reboot. myhtbackend is started and the log looks clean and it is pretty late in the init sequence but still I get: " Unable to connect to the master backend..."

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Esotericisms:

Morning! I need some help ASAP, all my shows are messed up at least when I try to skip. When I try to skip 30sec it skips to 21:59 and the time strech thing says all episodes are only 21:59 minutes long but you can watch past that you just can't skip any time length at all!!!!! Please help.

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mru:

tantris: maybe there's a problem with the setting of your hostname

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mru:

do you get your hostname from dhcp?

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Esotericisms:

not a problem with hostname

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tantris:

mru: no it's static

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Esotericisms:

its static

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mru:

Esotericisms: I don't think the hostname has anything to do with your problem

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mru:

tantris: do you have a separate master backend? or is this a single-machine setup?

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Esotericisms:

single machine

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mru:

Esotericisms: I'm not talking to you

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Esotericisms:

I think my son may have grab the remote at some time and worked some of this 2 year old magic, sorry ...

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blackest:

Daviey that might make sense where would i find these weekly builds

[13:17:27]

mru:

Esotericisms: sorry, but I don't know what your issue might be

[13:18:50]

Daviey:

blackest: http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds — trunk and -fixes

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tantris:

mru: I have a single machine with a backend and a frontend, the backend is started during init and the frontend as gnome service during autologin and I have a second machine which tries to connect via mythweb

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Esotericisms:

Anyone? Please I need help?!

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mru:

tantris: ok, and is it the backend or the frontend that gives you the error message?

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justinh:

Esotericisms: don't be so flipping desperate. it's only TV ffs. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Repairing_the_Seektable

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blackest:

Daviey which version do i enable both ?

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justinh:

Esotericisms: another thing it might be is an unexpected TZ change but check both

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justinh:

blackest: trunk OR fixes. not both

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Esotericisms:

justinh, I will check the seek table

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blackest:

ok then which of them enables streaming from mythweb and sorts out the configuration files

[13:22:21]

Esotericisms:

it does it on every episode, just fyi

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justinh:

blackest: and remember. when using a build which was 'blind', YMMV. if you don't keep up to date with the -dev and -commits mailing lists, don't go crying to anybody when stuff is broken

[13:22:56]

Daviey:

blackest: fixes!

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Daviey:

blackest: trunk is for bleeding edge, often broken code/packages

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justinh:

Daviey: no more broken than -fixes in my experience

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Daviey:

justinh: :)

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justinh:

infact usually _more_ working & featureful

[13:23:45]

Daviey:

justinh: I'm running trunk on my production boxes now :)

[13:23:45]

justinh:

always more featureful

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justinh:

I'm tempted

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Daviey:

featurefool!

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Esotericisms:

justinh, all episodes since I lost power ...

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justinh:

thing is the only thing I really want is mutley-rec

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Daviey:

mutley-rec? not heard that one

[13:24:32]

justinh:

I couldn't care less about storage groups

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blackest:

ok go for fixes then

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Daviey:

the mythweb flash player is the killer for me :)

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justinh:

already shown that off to peeps at work. jobe done

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justinh:

*job

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blackest:

is that fixes or trunk

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Daviey:

justinh: yeah, sotrage groups never interested me

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Esotericisms:

justinh, still think it is the seek table?

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justinh:

blackest: mythweb flash dreamy streamy is only in trunk

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justinh:

Esotericisms: just fscking check it

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tantris:

mru: Its both the local frontend and the mythweb accessed from a second machine, I just checked it seems it sometimes works after the reboot and sometimes not

[13:25:41]

justinh:

you come here for advice. we give you advice

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blackest:

conflicting advice :)

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justinh:

Esotericisms: it can really only be one of 2 things – the seektable and/or recordedmarkup table OR your system time is foobar

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justinh:

so be a good lad & run mysqlcheck on the mythconverg database. then you'll possibly need to run mythcommflag --rebuild all

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justinh:

</patronising>

[13:27:53]

justinh:

then if that doesn't fix it, and you find your machine's time/timezone hasn't been knocked out of kilter.. erm.. then you have a real problem

[13:28:09]

justinh:

but until then...

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justinh:

"For my Ubuntu Feisty machine"... wtf? wiki entries shouldn't be written in the 1st person

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justinh:

dunno which is worse – no wiki articles or ones stylistically wrong

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siXy:

if its only stylisitically, then thats merely irritating (and further degrades the english language, albeit by a small amount). but articles written in the first person are often technically wrong too, i find

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mzb_d800:

and can be fixed by the third person later ;)

[13:35:21]

justinh:

there we go :)

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Esotericisms:

justinh, ok thanks

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justinh:

only another 999999999 pages left to go

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siXy:

mzb_d800: :)

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mzb_d800:

the bottom line is to get the technical bits right first :)

[13:36:01]

mzb_d800:

worry about the correct Engrish later ;)

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justinh:

I think that somebody should set up a user manual team in advance of 0.21 being released

[13:36:22]

justinh:

write the _tome_

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justinh:

Daviey: advocate!

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justinh:

let's put the book authors out of business :P

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mzb_d800:

that's a wonderful thing to volunteer to administer justinh ! ... I take it you will be Chief Editor and Keeper Of Engrish?

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mzb_d800:

;)

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Daviey:

justinh: If it's released under a decent licence.. i'll publish it anyway :)

[13:39:03]

Daviey:

Authors: Daviey and community

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justinh:

doesn't matter what language it's written in. no fecker'll ever read it

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mzb_d800:

Daviey: did you forget the third person? ;)

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mzb_d800:

Authors: Daviey and community (and a few ppl whose names start with J;)

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justinh:

I can imagine that the new playback profile stuff is really going to throw folks some curves

[13:40:37]

Daviey:

yes!

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Daviey:

confused me somewhat tbh

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Daviey:

I created a new one called "balls"

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mzb_d800:

I'm still working it out .. .kinda makes sense

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justinh:

doesn't make sense to me one bit but then I've not played with it yet

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justinh:

are the defaults sensible?

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mzb_d800:

the hint that gave it away for me was the OSD displaying the Playback Group (I assume I'm talking about the same thing)

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Daviey:

not for crappy ATI

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justinh:

yeah well ATI don't work on linux at all. LA LA LA LA LAaaaaaaa

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mzb_d800:

ah ... you mean profiles, as in CPU, etc ... yes .. quite difficult to translate from old to new

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justinh:

mytharchive has undergone some major changes it seems too

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justinh:

for the better

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mzb_d800:

really?

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directhex:

does the ui still lick balls and force confusing switches between arrow keys and tab?

[13:44:42]

justinh:

gone are the separate 'select recordings' and 'select videos' screens

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maki_d_:

how asus tv tuners work on linux?

[13:45:04]

directhex:

maki_d_, depends on the specific hardware. check the right wiki for the type of hardware in question

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justinh:

maki_d_: depends what model tuner

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mzb_d800:

maki_d_: more input?

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justinh:

iiiiinput!

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directhex:

johnny 5 alive!

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maki_d_:

Video/Audio Decoder Philips

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justinh:

maki_d_: model number.. etc

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maki_d_:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=18&l . . . ;modelmenu=1

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Daviey:

google etc

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justinh:

oh ffs

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** mzb_d800 has a brain the size of a planet ... and I've been sitting in the car park for 30 million years ... **

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justinh:

oo a framegrabber :-z

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Daviey:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe . . . ch&meta=

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directhex:

looks like a lamegrabber

[13:47:07]

justinh:

maki_d_: buy a Hauppauge PVR150 card instead

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Daviey:

Hauppauge ftw

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directhex:

probably works as well as any framegrabber. i.e. shit picture quality, cpu consumption for fun

[13:48:05]

Daviey:

framegrabber's a teh shit

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XLV:

maki_d_, you can make those work on mythtv most of the times, but its tedious

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justinh:

maki_d_: you can use just about any TV tuner card in linux to _watch_ TV with tvtime & xawtv etc. but to use with mythtv it's always best to buy a card which doesn't rely on software encoding.

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justinh:

mythtv records _everything_ you watch. no getting around that, so cards which need you to use software encoding are gonna suck

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mzb_d800:

wow ... lot's of help for maki_d_ considering so few sentences ;) ... you guys all drinking on the weekend or something? ;)

[13:51:12]

justinh:

mzb_d800: not in here for the thanks or the praise. just aswell

[13:51:13]

directhex:

mzb_d800, prices on smack are low ATM

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XLV:

maki_d_, http://forum.videohelp.com/topic331885.html

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maki_d_:

thanks

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mzb_d800:

directhex: sell something else .... nah, won't go there

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directhex:

we're using up an entire day of helpfulness on one person, so we can go bask to calling everyone else naughty words

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Daviey:

directhex: you naughty word you!

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mzb_d800:

justinh: you do a pretty damn good job mate ... don't sweat it :)

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Daviey:

justinh: is the best

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directhex:

Daviey, lick my naughty word, you naughty wording naughty word

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justinh:

ooo joy Primeval starts up again today :-\

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directhex:

bad ps1 platformer?

[13:53:27]

justinh:

when are we ever gonna see S-Club bint in the buff though?

[13:53:28]

directhex:

no, that was medievil

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mzb_d800:

directhex: ah, I see ... use up the Brownie Points on someone (who might not deserve it) so you can fall on the next person for not pulling there google finger out ;)

[13:53:59]

directhex:

mzb_d800, yeppers!

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mzb_d800:

:)

[13:54:05]

mzb_d800:

ok

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justinh:

Daviey: forgot about another trunky feature. that really cool screen size setting thing somebody did

[13:54:56]

RogerM:

hmm.. maybe someone with right permissions should change the ivtvlink in the topic.. Shouldn't it be ivtvdriver.org these days?

[13:55:08]

mzb_d800:

I here the sound of a remote slapping down on the bedside table, associated with huffing and puffing ... time to entertain the boss

[13:55:16]

mzb_d800:

have fun all ;)

[13:55:18]

mzb_d800:

gnite

[13:55:27]

RogerM:

night

[13:55:33]

justinh:

lol night

[13:56:21]

justinh:

"well, gotta go service the mrs... oh well, if I must... "

[13:56:58]

mzb_d800:

yeah ... she's plied me with Oyster Shooters all night ;)

[13:57:07]

mzb_d800:

I guess I've got no choice ;)

[13:57:16]

mzb_d800:

(my body says so;)

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justinh:

never been even slightly tempted by oysters. just the thought of them makes me gag

[13:58:08]

mzb_d800:

tried Oyster Shooters?

[13:58:13]

justinh:

nope

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blackest:

daviey where were you last night

[13:58:18]

mzb_d800:

(I don't like them much either)

[13:58:29]

mzb_d800:

... but have enough of them and you will ;)

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justinh:

blackest: how dare you ask Daviey where he was last night. are you his missus or something? :P

[13:59:22]

** justinh books a room for them **

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blackest:

that was so simple i just went for the trunk weekly builds and then installed mythbuntu control centre set up the frontend and backend added the codecs and then installed mythweb and its done i was at this for 9 hours last night and started again for 3 hours this morning and its probably 30 mins since i switched to how you suggested

[14:00:44]

blackest:

no but if he had been here last night I would have had this sorted in an hour or two

[14:01:16]

justinh:

yeah well just remember to read the -commits list & -dev list before you upgrade so you're aware of possible issues

[14:01:45]

blackest:

ok what opens asx files ?

[14:01:57]

blackest:

vlc says no

[14:02:45]

mzb_d800:

Oyster Shooter: shot of Vodka, splash of tomato, whole oyster (from shell), few shakes of pepper, splash of lemon, splash of Tobasco, splash of Worcestershire

[14:02:55]

mzb_d800:

(we forgot the Tobasco this time;)

[14:03:28]

mzb_d800:

last shot: ... skull ... "Oh ... aahhh... I know what that missing taste was .... " ;)

[14:03:58]

mzb_d800:

anyway ... enough p!ssfarting around

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siXy:

imo cocktails should be predominately made from drinks, not foods.

[14:05:06]

mzb_d800:

gnite all ... make sure you enjoy yourselves or I'll .... think about punishing you badly

[14:05:07]

siXy:

or condiments, for that matter

[14:05:40]

mzb_d800:

siXy: it's all about the side-effects ... ie: one of the reasons I'm going TO BED :)

[14:05:44]

mzb_d800:

gnite ;)

[14:05:53]

siXy:

heh :) gnite :)

[14:06:51]

blackest:

absolutely fantastic :)

[14:08:03]

blackest:

i just started watching a program i recorded last night in mythweb thank you very much daviey

[14:09:25]

blackest:

ok now heres something can i just do an update on my main myth system to trunk with the weekly builds

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Daviey:

blackest: \o/

[14:14:36]

Daviey:

blackest: might be worth disabling the repo if it's working for you now

[14:14:37]

whodat:

where do i choose the default tuner card to be used when first going into Livetv?

[14:15:00]

Daviey:

blackest: maybe next week it'll be broken :), and you'll be promted to update weekly

[14:16:20]

tantris:

mru: I guess I'll have to accept that sometimes the automatic start of the mythbackend does not work it seems to be less than every 10 times

[14:17:17]

justinh:

people keep talking about this 'live tv'...

[14:17:19]

** justinh googles **

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whodat:

justin: ppl like to watch their sports live, yadda yadda yadda

[14:18:35]

siXy:

yeah i don't understand why they don't just use the internal tuner on the tv. but meh.

[14:18:40]

justinh:

sports?

[14:18:43]

** justinh googles again **

[14:18:49]

siXy:

lol :)

[14:18:54]

whodat:

heh

[14:19:06]

justinh:

is theming a 'sport'?

[14:19:16]

whodat:

sixy: that would require (for me) two antennas, or a splitter.. yadda yadda

[14:19:35]

Daviey:

keeping up with the licence the themes are released under is a sport! ;)

[14:19:49]

justinh:

they changed once

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justinh:

the URL on the other hand... :P

[14:20:14]

Daviey:

whilst this is true, i need something to mock/moan about

[14:20:33]

Daviey:

i wanted to register juski.co.uk – but someone beat me :(

[14:20:33]

justinh:

I will not be goaded

[14:20:59]

** justinh returns to making knoppish **

[14:21:28]

Daviey:

knoppish?

[14:21:29]

** whodat votes for this digital HDTV option: [x] Remove Black Space **

[14:21:35]

justinh:

gah there's only so much you can do with mythmusic

[14:21:51]

justinh:

whodat: you mean the 'stretch everything to make everybody look fat?' option?

[14:22:02]

blackest:

this is so cool i just set it manually recording and now i can watch in mythweb as it records

[14:22:08]

Daviey:

justinh: yeah, needs a total rewrite IMO :) /me isn't volunterring

[14:22:23]

jduggan:

ok uhm, can i get all the bits i need to make an IR blaster that works with ntl stb, from maplin?

[14:22:44]

justinh:

jduggan: roflmao. on a saturday? don't count on it

[14:22:47]

Daviey:

blackest: You need to upgrade to the lastest flash to use fullscreen

[14:23:01]

jduggan:

justinh: my maplin is open, why do you say a saturday?

[14:23:01]

whodat:

just: yah, but have it automagicly know *how much* to widen it. in real time. because sometimes commercials are different than the show itself.

[14:23:04]

blackest:

i got full screen but it was pixally

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justinh:

jduggan: the saturday staff are clueless

[14:23:20]

jduggan:

justinh: ah

[14:23:21]

jduggan:

lol

[14:23:32]

Daviey:

the maplin staff ARE clueless full stop

[14:23:34]

jduggan:

justinh: NTL stb works with a regular homebrew ir blaster right?

[14:23:36]

blackest:

jduggan i am not sure but i think ntl uses a non standard frequency for ir

[14:23:43]

justinh:

jduggan: ask for a serial connector and they'll be like.. "cereal? sorry mate we don't sell cornflakes. Try tesco"

[14:23:49]

jduggan:

lol

[14:23:52]

siXy:

whodat: you want myth to resize tv in realtime? thats quite a tall order...

[14:24:42]

whodat:

sixy: I am curious why it would be so hard? its akin to i am perplexed why volume normalization in real time is so hard...

[14:25:03]

justinh:

jduggan: if you have a Pace STB – a Di1000 or Di2000 you're screwed & will need something to translate consumer IR into codes for the STB

[14:25:13]

Daviey:

http://www.redremote.co.uk/serial/ <-- rip off IMO

[14:25:16]

XLV:

coreavc for linux builds against latest mplayer snapshot? i am getting errors

[14:25:23]

justinh:

jduggan: if a 4000 series Pace or Samsung box, it's all RC-5

[14:25:24]

siXy:

whodat: because quantum cpus are not yet availiable from dell?

[14:25:38]

whodat:

lol =)

[14:25:45]

jduggan:

justinh: i have the samsung ,which i believe is 4000 ?

[14:25:48]

justinh:

Daviey: not a rip-off at all. easier than getting a newer box out of VM

[14:26:10]

justinh:

jduggan: samsungs use normal consumer IR. lirc codes are even in the lirc remote database :)

[14:26:13]

Daviey:

justinh: Depends who you know :)

[14:26:18]

justinh:

www.lirc.org/remotes/samsung

[14:26:22]

jduggan:

justinh: di4000 ?

[14:26:47]

justinh:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/ntl/ even

[14:27:03]

jduggan:

nice one

[14:27:05]

jduggan:

thats my stb

[14:27:08]

jduggan:

or atleast my controller

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jduggan:

=]

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justinh:

Daviey: oh one of your mates is a pikey who installs boxes eh. "psst, you wanna dodgy box on the sly?"

[14:27:32]

siXy:

heh :)

[14:27:36]

Daviey:

justinh: no.. there's a senior ntl/vm guy on freenode :)

[14:27:41]

whodat:

well when i think about it, couldnt you just scan pixels every second at say verticle row say.. 10.. and verticle row 50... if those pixels are all black, stretch to that row. if not, check row 50.. if those are black, stretch to that. and just loop that to run every 1 second or even faster if possible. same with volume.. check volume level.

[14:27:58]

justinh:

whodat: wrong aspects are just.. wrong

[14:28:42]

siXy:

whodat, in a word: no.

[14:28:44]

whodat:

just: yeah i hear ya.. but for me.. those black bars drive me more nuts than a bit of a stretched picture.

[14:29:04]

Daviey:

I wouldn't think it that hard to autocalculate.. if you just poll the resolution once a second, wouldn't be that cpu intensive

[14:29:05]

justinh:

a bit? you ever seen 4:3 stretch to 16:9? it's against nature I tell thee

[14:29:20]

whodat:

hehe

[14:29:21]

justinh:

whodat: you can get myth to stretch all aspects you know

[14:29:29]

Daviey:

providing the fecking channel doesn't add crapp blak borders – for your convience

[14:29:30]

siXy:

Daviey: its the resizing on-the-fly thats hard. not detecting if its the right size or not

[14:29:38]

whodat:

justin: yeah but it doesnt auto-sense

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justinh:

problem is, if the bars are added in the stream you're screwed

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Daviey:

siXy: VLC does IIRC

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justinh:

whodat: just use 'fill'

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justinh:

siXy: and myth has no problem changing aspect on the fly

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whodat:

just: yah but as soon as a commercial comes up with a different ratio, i gotta hit Y again.

[14:30:25]

siXy:

thats just stretching the video, not the same

[14:30:27]

justinh:

whodat: JUST USE FILL

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Daviey:

use fill.. /me does

[14:30:48]

Daviey:

and i'm cool – you should do as i do

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justinh:

whodat: if the bars aren't in the stream, that'll stretch everything

[14:31:18]

blackest:

this is great

[14:31:35]

justinh:

speaking of aspects.. is the flash streaming 16:9 aware yet?

[14:31:40]

whodat:

the bars must be in the stream for me sometimes then

[14:31:46]

blackest:

i don't know for sure but i guess mythweb will run in windows

[14:32:08]

blackest:

i need more upload bandwidth

[14:32:11]

justinh:

whodat: screw all you can do about that without some clever code

[14:32:54]

justinh:

not impossible but prolly beyond most users' ability to code that

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whodat:

justin: i imagine it may look worse on larger widescreens, mine is only a 40"...

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Daviey:

blackest: 768K UL seems just enough for mythweb :)

[14:33:30]

whodat:

so when i strech, it doesnt have to strech as far? lol

[14:33:57]

Daviey:

justinh: might be worth asking the gnash guys – they have a better understanding of flash than most (probably adobe included) :)

[14:34:54]

siXy:

justinh: it was video with balck areas in it that i was talking about. and as far as i can see, you would have to do some pretty careful detection so as not to chop out dark sections of films, then once you worked out which bits you wanted, mess around with the decoded stream on the fly. thats not just non-trivial, thats really pushing what a desktop cpu is going to cpe with

[14:35:28]

Daviey:

i don't agree

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Daviey:

polling doesn't have to be too frequent

[14:36:04]

whodat:

siXy: i think you would be safe if you checked a whole verticle row and it was all 100% black

[14:36:34]

blackest:

how do i backup my database

[14:36:53]

blackest:

i am now prepared to upgrade my main system

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siXy:

whodat: nope. films sometimes have entirely black vertical rows. and unless you put some tolerance in, a slightly dodgy analogue signal is going to play havoc with the detection

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whodat:

siXy: hmm... yeah sounds like it would have to be a little fancier detection scheme then.

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siXy:

Daviey: even with occasional polling (every 5 mins)? its going to be insanely difficult to get the detection right. although i guess you could just stretch it off-screen rather than mess around with the video stream itelf

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siXy:

so maybe i'm wrong about cpu power, but the detection aspect is still going to be hard

[14:39:32]

Daviey:

any harder than comm flagging?!

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whodat:

hahaha good point daviey

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siXy:

Daviey: harder? no. but it matters *a lot more* if it gets it wrong

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siXy:

so it has to be far more reliable

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siXy:

otherwise you could end up with a bouncing picture, that is sometimes stretched and sometimes not. which would be just a teeny bit annoying.

[14:41:00]

whodat:

i just hope mythtv can still be around in 2009 when analog is no more..

[14:42:29]

justinh:

siXy: but in Europe where black bars generally don't get added – i.e. broadcasters have a clue... ;)

[14:42:44]

siXy:

and i don't know about you, but i find myth com flagging far less than 100% accurate

[14:42:55]

justinh:

detection can be pretty fast for borders

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whodat:

sixy: it would be easier because of the fact that you only have to check for a couple different aspect ratios... instead of every width that could be possible.

[14:43:04]

justinh:

other players can do it, after all

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siXy:

justinh: yeah but in repayment that make ad breaks really hard for the comm flagger to detect :(

[14:43:30]

siXy:

s/that/they/

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justinh:

siXy: commercial flagging has never been coded to UK perculiarities

[14:43:57]

siXy:

justinh: ah, that could be it then

[14:44:00]

justinh:

it relies on logo removal & fades to black

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justinh:

in the UK, the logo is rarely removed

[14:44:19]

justinh:

as for fades to black.. lol

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justinh:

transitions are _hard_ cuts

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whodat:

does it look at volume levels/

[14:45:02]

justinh:

it's be nice to have some kind of heuristic detection you could 'train'

[14:45:08]

siXy:

i find it works about 80% of the time, depending on channel

[14:45:20]

justinh:

whodat: no, but then volume levels aren't the issue either. dynamic range is

[14:45:55]

justinh:

on some channels the commercial volume is louder than program content but generally that doesn't happen. they only _seem_ louder

[14:45:57]

whodat:

if it reaches 'annoying volume level' .. its went to commercials. lol.

[14:46:14]

siXy:

or a fight scene

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whodat:

heh, true

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justinh:

on my Freeview recordings, peak level is about -6dB in programs and in ads

[14:47:22]

justinh:

if there was some way to do image recognition of 'bumpers' that'd make a difference

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whodat:

bumpers?

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justinh:

little inserts between show segments & adverts. usually station IDs

[14:48:03]

** mru would like automatic commercial skipping when streaming to the ps3 **

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whodat:

i dont think the US has those

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mru:

bumper detection would be very channel-dependent

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mru:

channels like film4 should be easy

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justinh:

mru: yeah they remove the logo for breaks

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mru:

but those elaborate clips they use on C4 and some others could be more difficult

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justinh:

when I still has Sly, Sly One's commflagging was near perfect

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siXy:

sky 3 on freeview isn't bad either

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mru:

justinh: UK DVB-T often has the channel logo even during commercials

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neb_:

you'd need it for sly too

[14:50:09]

justinh:

mru: just use 4 right arrow

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justinh:

gets most of it

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justinh:

4 right arrow 30 sec skip. badabing

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mru:

well, actually right now my priority is to get streaming to ps3 back in working order at all

[14:51:33]

whodat:

mru: your running a front end on a ps3?

[14:51:52]

mru:

whodat: ps3 supports upnp streaming

[14:52:16]

whodat:

ahh

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mru:

until it broke, that is

[14:52:35]

whodat:

i heard it works for xbox 360 now too

[14:52:43]

mru:

worst part is, I don't know if it was changes to mythtv or ps3 software that did it

[14:52:58]

mru:

neither likes downgrading, unfortunately

[14:53:25]

whodat:

is your ps3 on another tv or something?

[14:53:44]

mru:

the ps3 is connected to my only tv

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riddlebox:

can anyone help me get an ir cable working, that plugs into the back of a tuner card?

[14:54:15]

whodat:

mru: why bother using it if its on the same tv as your myth front end?

[14:54:37]

mru:

convenience

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whodat:

ahh, heh

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mru:

and I don't have a decent remote control for the pc

[14:56:51]

mru:

the tuner card has a nice remote control, but last I tried, it wouldn't work in the x86–64 machine I have hooked up to the tv

[14:57:10]

mru:

so it's in an older p4 in another room right now

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neb_:

Hm

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neb_:

why is it when you try and play a recording you might get an error like "the file cannot be found"?

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mru:

misconfiguration

[15:00:57]

mru:

is your frontend on a different machine than the backend?

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neb_:

Nope

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mkrufky:

LOST season premiere is going to be a two hour episode :-D

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mkrufky:

does anybody know whether 0.21 is anywhere closer to release? the answer will affect how I set up my additional hard drives for recordings this weekend

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siXy:

mkrufky: its $(( $today – $whenyoulastasked )) days closer

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siXy:

:)

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mkrufky:

heh

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mkrufky:

i think i last asked about that 9 months ago

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mkrufky:

but maybe it was six?

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mkrufky:

i dunno... the real answer is probably, "mkrufky, get over your package manager and just build it from svn"

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mru:

or use gentoo

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mru:

it fetches mythtv from svn

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mkrufky:

nice

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siXy:

ah but then you have serious problems

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mkrufky:

unfortunately, im still just going to stick to the package management .... i have too many machines on my mythtv network

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siXy:

you end up with a gentoo system

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mkrufky:

all playing nice together

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mkrufky:

hehe i love gentoo

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mkrufky:

(but i cant remember when i used it last)

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mru:

siXy: I won't try to change your opinion, but would you care to elaborate on why you consider gentoo such a disaster?

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justinh:

mkrufky: by March according to some optimists

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mkrufky:

awesome... so, then i can count on version 0.21 for the fall season ;-)

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mkrufky:

thanks, justinh

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am_dragon:

I don't know if anyone can help me with this. I just got an Irblaster, it seems the lirc_serial in Ubuntu 7.10 is broken.

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siXy:

mru: it was a tongue-in-cheek comment. personally i don't like source based distros in general, but thats just my own preference

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mru:

my machine is fast enough that I don't care much about the compilation time

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mkrufky:

when you've got a bunch of machines running distcc, it also helps

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mru:

mythtv builds in a few minutes

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am_dragon:

I removed lirc, and downloaded and compiled lirc-0.8.3pre1

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am_dragon:

Same thing happens though, the led lights up but the IR does not.

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Spida:

am_dragon: you are using the irblaster as an irSENDER?

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Spida:

am_dragon: how do you know that it doesn't send?

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am_dragon:

yes

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am_dragon:

digital camera

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am_dragon:

only the led lights up.

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am_dragon:

not both

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am_dragon:

it's apprently a known problem, the only fix i've seen is to remove the ubuntu binaries and recompile, I did that but I've got the same issue.

[16:03:41]

am_dragon:

"apt-get remove lirc" should remove the ubuntu package.

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am_dragon:

do I need to do something else?

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Spida:

I don't know.

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Spida:

I don't have ubuntu....

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Spida:

I am just trying to find out whether the pylirc "simple example" works in any way... http://pylirc.mccabe.nu/?/article/articleview . . . hemex=public

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djc_:

!seen GreyFoxx

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MythLogBot:

GreyFoxx is here and has been idle for 8 hours 9 minutes 6 seconds

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Toxicity999:

Why is it that when my backed is under medium CPU stress, my frontend playback stutters?

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Toxicity999:

*backend

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iamlindoro:

Heh. I love my dog. Waking up with the dog two inches from your face looking at you and wagging her tail is a painfully cute thing to wake up to

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overridex:

anyone have any idea why mythtv would work the first time i open myth-frontend, but the second time i open it and hit watch tv i just get a black screen and the backend crashes?

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iamlindoro:

overridex: Any chance you're running Trunk?

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overridex:

iamlindoro: nope, just the packages from ubuntu gutsy

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iamlindoro:

Ah. Then no idea

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overridex:

just says "strange error flushing buffer ... " in the mythbackend log

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overridex:

i dunno, now it's not doing it

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** overridex shrugs **

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blackest:

hi lindoro

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blackest:

after all the work we did last night i switched to the wekly trunk builds

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blackest:

mythweb is a right pain to install by hand i got the php working and it still didnt want to know so i gave up

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xand:

it is?

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blackest:

yes especially when you can do an upgrade to trunk weekly build in next to no time

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blackest:

set up sources apt-get update apt-get upgrade

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blackest:

it is that simple

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blackest:

in fact simpler is set up the repositories and use mythbuntu-control-centre to do the hardwork

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iamlindoro:

blackest: The README in the mythweb directory gives you step by step instructions on how to install it and the conf file

[17:12:08]

iamlindoro:

blackest: You reinstalled the whole distro because you couldn't get mythweb configured correctly?

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blackest:

no uninstalled myth and then redid the sources installed mythbuntu-control-centre and got it working with that

[17:15:26]

iamlindoro__:

blackest: all the same, a bit extreme... a bunch of people in here could have helped you get mythweb working, it's not that hard with a little guidance (or reading the README)

[17:15:34]

blackest:

was about 30 mins to get it all working

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overridex:

stupid question – if i've hit s and am in the guide, how do i change to the channel i have highlighted?

[17:16:03]

blackest:

well it was mainly apache which was the problem

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jduggan:

override – enter?

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overridex:

enter brings up the recording options

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blackest:

x maybe

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overridex:

ah ha! x. :)

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blackest:

sorry lindoro I worked on that system till 3 am at 11 am i woke up and daviey said why not just use the weekly builds and it was painless

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Daviey:

\o/

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blackest:

only problem ive got now is converting back my secondary backend

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blackest:

actually no that was easy with mythbunutu-control centre

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Daviey:

"converting back"?

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tafsen:

Is there a way to search in video manager?

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blackest:

yes i had a primary and secondary backend so i went to svn and made the secondary a master built from svn

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blackest:

myth worked fine but mythweb was too hard to configure so i did it your way that was fine so i then upgraded my original master to a wekly build and now i am just finishing off reverting / converting my old secondary

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tafsen:

Do you have to go trough half my movies if I want to edit a movie that's starts with M?

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blackest:

lol reminds me when i called my uncle in ireland the guy said it would take a while to find his extension coz his surname started with o

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tafsen:

blackest: Was that a yes? :o

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blackest:

i don't know to be honest

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kdubya:

i dont think you can search in the video manager

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tafsen:

That sux =\

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kdubya:

maybe you could make a directory for each letter?

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kdubya:

or would that just effect the video browser

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tafsen:

yeah

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tafsen:

doesn't matter in Video manager

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iamlindoro_:

or code one up and submit a patch, doubt anyone would mind...

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kdubya:

pff

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kdubya:

that sounds an awful lot like effort

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iamlindoro_:

Must not be that important to you then

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tafsen:

iamlindoro_: What language is MythTv written in?

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iamlindoro_:

C++, mostly

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kdubya:

hebrew

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iamlindoro_:

with the occasional perl-y goodness, depending on what you count as part of it

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tafsen:

iamlindoro_: I don't know C++ yet so I can't make a patch =\

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kdubya:

seems like as good a time as any to learn

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kdubya:

Get to work.

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iamlindoro_:

heh

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tafsen:

kdubya: Going to finish up my java-class first

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** iamlindoro_ goes to buy some IR blasters to chop into parts **

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kdubya:

im suprised the hauppage HD box only got 24 messages on the list

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tafsen:

Btw, do you have to do anything special to get imdb thing to work?

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kdubya:

that mess is big news

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kdubya:

tafsen, no, it just works

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tafsen:

Weird...

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kdubya:

at least mine works and i dont remember doing anything special

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tafsen:

Because when I search and it finds something, nothing shows

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tafsen:

i.e. I tried it with Die Hard 3

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kdubya:

are you searching the whole file name?

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kdubya:

is it like

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tafsen:

But there's no poster or anything

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kdubya:

Die_Hard_3_asdfjklj.avi

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tafsen:

the file name is just Die Hard 3

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kdubya:

oh

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kdubya:

well

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tafsen:

and it finds it

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kdubya:

then you gots problems

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kdubya:

maybe the directory that holds the posters does not exist?

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tafsen:

it get's a number, but no posters shows up

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kdubya:

go into the setup and find what directory you are using

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tafsen:

do I have to manually create it?

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kdubya:

and make sure its there

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kdubya:

its possible

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kdubya:

i dont know how you installed myth

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tafsen:

I installed it with the mythbuntu

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kdubya:

oh

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kdubya:

well i would guess it would be there then

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gbee:

~/.mythtv/MythVideo/

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: ^^^

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Seeker`:

not all of my recordings are showing up in the "watch recordings" menu

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blackest:

any ideas why mythweb hasnt got sound with its videos ffmpeg maybe ?

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orionr:

For some reason my mythtv started glitching and when i go to watch tv i get like a glitch out screen but the audio still works. Any ideas?

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sphery:

blackest: ffmpeg must be built with mp3 support and if running Flash on 64-bit Linux, you need the ALSA 32-bit libs installed

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blackest:

well 32 bit systems i will need to see which ffmpeg is installed

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Seeker`:

How can you delete playback groups?

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htpcdvbs:

is there a way to over clock nvidia fx5200 le graphic card?

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sn9:

htpcdvbs: yes

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htpcdvbs:

is there a command line to do it in ssh

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sn9:

nvclock

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sn9:

man nvclock

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riddlebox:

iamlindoro_, you there? if you are, I was asking about the Pinnacle PCTC HD card yesterday, well so far I can get the analog signal to work and am working with a developer to get the rest working hopefully this weekend

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htpcdvbs:

sn9 whatz max i can take memmory too

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sn9:

not sure what it is for the 5200; you'll have to experiment

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XLV:

htpcdvbs, why you'd want to? oc the 5200 that is?

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whodat:

how do i change the id's of my capture cards?

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jduggan:

mythtv-setup

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jduggan:

?

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htpcdvbs:

well xlv it has tears in video

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htpcdvbs:

u know looks like hell

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mru:

try enabling the 'sync to vertical retrace' or whatever the option is called

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htpcdvbs:

i did

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Seeker`:

commercial flagging doesn't work properly – it only seems to detect 1 commerical at most

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Seeker`:

any ideas why?

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Seeker`:

I've turned off the "strict" option

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mru:

I've found commercial detection a bit random, but I've never had that problem

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Seeker`:

I recorded the simpsons yesterday, and it only flagged the commercial at the very end of the program, after the credits

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mru:

sounds useful...

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Seeker`:

yeah

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neb_:

Seeker`: are you in the UK?

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Seeker`:

neb_: yup

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neb_:

yeah, i'm having these issues too

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Seeker`:

:(

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neb_:

apparently it's not so easy to detect adverts on terestial tv as opposed to sky

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Seeker`:

that sucks

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Seeker`:

I'm using analog

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Seeker`:

No digital in Bath :(

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neb_:

lol :/

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Seeker`:

Where in the UK are you from?

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neb_:

thats pretty bad tbh, since there's this digital switchover

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neb_:

just outside of london

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mru:

analogue switchoff isn't until 2012 iirc

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neb_:

yeah

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neb_:

but like... if you want a new tv and you're in Bath

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neb_:

:)

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Seeker`:

Apparenty when they switch analog off, there will be a digital signal

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Seeker`:

but not while the analog is still on

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mru:

don't TVs still have analogue tuners?

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Seeker`:

neb_: Ah cool. Which side of london?

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neb_:

North

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mru:

Seeker`: that sucks

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neb_:

mru: yeah, but thats not really the point

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Seeker`:

neb_: Cool. I used to live near Heathrow

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mru:

Seeker`: I bet it still took you an hour to get to the airport ;-)

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Seeker`:

mru: Never flown from Heathrow

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Seeker`:

only ever flown from Gatwick

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neb_:

heathrow isn't too bad if you fly at stupid times

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mru:

that's gonna be unpleasant if living near heathrow

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neb_:

well, i make sure i fly at stupid times

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mru:

yeah, I've flown at like 7:30am sometimes

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Seeker`:

I haven't flown since i was 15

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Seeker`:

I'm 21 now :D

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Seeker`:

mru: You from the UK too?

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mru:

I live in the uk, but I'm not from here

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Seeker`:

mru: whereabouts do you live?

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mru:

southampton

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Seeker`:

nice

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mru:

well, the city isn't all that exciting

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mru:

but it's much cheaper than london, while not all that far away

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** neb_ ponders moving from myth .20.2 to a svn build **

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Seeker`:

yeah

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** Seeker` wants to find a way of changing recording categories (i.e. Drama, Animation) **

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Seeker`:

because not all of them are set correctly automatically

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Seeker`:

I have to hack the DB atm

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mru:

I guess you could hack something up in mythweb with reasonable effort

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mru:

I've never delved into mythfrontend, and I'd rather not have to

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mru:

C++ and all that

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am_dragon:

what's a good way to go for controling a dish network box?

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sn9:

serial, i'm sure

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am_dragon:

unless you happen to be using the current version of mythbuntu.

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sn9:

why?

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am_dragon:

it's broken

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sn9:

where?

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am_dragon:

lirc_serial won't send. I've been fighting it all day.

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sn9:

why lirc?

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am_dragon:

there's a couple threads about it in the ubuntu forums.

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am_dragon:

?

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am_dragon:

is there something else?

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sn9:

lirc is for ir, not serial

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am_dragon:

Oh the dish boxes ont' have serial in.

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sn9:

none of them?

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sn9:

i thought it was like directv

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am_dragon:

not that I'm aware of, the mythtv wiki says they don't I only know about mine.

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mru:

directv boxes... hmm....

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am_dragon:

I bought an irblaster because it seems like that is the standard.

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Seeker`:

if you are watching a program and hit "R", the program gets recorded under "LiveTV"?

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sn9:

when i thought i couldn't use serial on comcast (it was still at&t then), i used a blaster. i will never go back to that. if i were forced to switch to satellite, directv would beat dishnet because of the serial control, even though directv has far less to watch than dishnet

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sn9:

and costs more

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blackest:

is there anywhere you can upload a deb package

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blackest:

i just spent a cpl of hours finding out why mythweb flash had no sound and i found i had a decent ffmpeg i compiled before which works

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justinh:

ahh classic ubuntu ffmpeg cripplement.. damn the legality

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sn9:

forget legality; it just plain crashes

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justinh:

the fact the binaries don't support anything propriatary or patented never helps

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sn9:

no greater cripplement than that

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sn9:

IME, anything supported by ffmpeg upstream works anytime ubuntu ffmpeg doesn't crash

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justinh:

Seeker`: yes but if you started watching part way into a show you'll only get the section from when you started watching until the end

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justinh:

best way of course is just to time shift everything. the whole point of mythtv for me & plenty of others is the fact we're no longer bound to TV schedules

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justinh:

been ages since I wasted hours channel surfing

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sn9:

with epg, channel-surfing is obsolete even in livetv

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justinh:

you can still waste time looking for something to watch. far better to have a good clutch of prerecorded stuff to choose from :D

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sn9:

yes

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jduggan:

i like being able to not rush home from work to catch hollyoaks, or home from shopping to catch eastenders

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sn9:

however, if you already know there's something you'd watch that's on, livetv is no big deal

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justinh:

be nice if somebody pulls their finger out & manages to make a half decent 'wishlist' function though.

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jduggan:

if im 10minutes late its fine, i just turn it on

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justinh:

the downside with mythtv of course is that we no longer miss soaps in this house :(

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jduggan:

lol justin

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justinh:

but the upside is that with time compression it takes way less time for her to get through them

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justinh:

got her on 1.3x for all her shows now

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Seeker`:

justinh: cool :)

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justinh:

30 min soap, minus ads, 30% faster... less life lost

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mcarter:

Hey guys, my head is swimming ...

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sn9:

sometimes, commercials are great that way

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mcarter:

I'm from UK.

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Seeker`:

I only have 1 tuner atm, which means that i can olny record 1 thing at a time :(

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jduggan:

mcarter: being from UK is enough to make you swim

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Seeker`:

mcarter: whats wrong with benig from the UK>

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jduggan:

all this rain

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justinh:

sn9: do you get relentless sofa adverts at xmas time?

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jduggan:

;]

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mcarter:

Thinking of buying a Dell Vostro.

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justinh:

I hated being away from mythtv over xmas. no ad skipping :(

[20:21:58]

mcarter:

And getting some kind

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Seeker`:

commercial flagging would be good, if it worked

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justinh:

sofa ads are like fecking water torture

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mcarter:

of PVR thing going.

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justinh:

mcarter: so get another tuner

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justinh:

I started with one. soon outgrew that

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sn9:

justinh: clearly you've never seen locally made sofa ads from the usa

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Seeker`:

justinh: I'm a student

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justinh:

Seeker`: I'm hardly loaded ffs

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justinh:

£20 gets you a freeview tuner these days

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mcarter:

My current VCR is on the way out.

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Seeker`:

justinh: No digital signal in Bath

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justinh:

less than half the price of a good night out!

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Seeker`:

plus, I have to use a portable aerial

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mcarter:

I can only receive analogue signals,

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justinh:

really? I guess manchester is much more civilised than I thought

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jduggan:

analogue terrestrial?

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mcarter:

Yes.

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** neb_ makes mental note not to move to Bath **

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jduggan:

i tried using myth with analogue terrestrial

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jduggan:

terrible quality

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Seeker`:

some places in Bath can, just not many

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Seeker`:

the quality isn't too bad, actaully

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code-r:

how can i help boost the preformance of watching livetv on my frontend?

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code-r:

and does XvMC actualy help ?

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sn9:

as an american, recurring fees for possession of tv/radio equipment that one owns is alien to me

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mcarter:

I'm not sure what I need.

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justinh:

code-r: depends what format you're recording in

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Seeker`:

sn9: You mean the license fee?

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justinh:

code-r: xvmc is only any use (and even then not that much) for mpeg2

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code-r:

justinh: its a pvr 150..

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code-r:

justinh: so mpeg2

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sn9:

Seeker`: fee, fees, whatever

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Seeker`:

sn9: Its only if you *watch* tv, you dont have to pay if you dont use the equipment

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justinh:

sn9: ah but the BBC gets the lion's share of our licence fee. thank God.

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justinh:

no adverts. quality shows

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justinh:

shows the world & his dog are envious of. Dr Who. Torchwood, yada yada. fecknows why they're jealous of those shows though :-\

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sn9:

Seeker`: oh, so they have a meter determining whether or not you watch? ;->

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code-r:

cause i triend XvMC on and i get a black screen...

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justinh:

code-r: using binary nvidia drivers on > GF4 ?

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code-r:

justinh: binary on FX5200

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Seeker`:

sn9: No, they apparently send vans round that can detect who is recieving a signal, and a list of addresses without licenses

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code-r:

so yes

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neb_:

justinh: would you recommend moving away from .20.2 to svn builds?

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justinh:

code-r: you should get about a 50% boost or so – maybe less

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code-r:

http://pastebin.com/m126069a4

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code-r:

thats what front end spits out when i try playing live tv

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justinh:

neb_: no I wouldn't. not for any other reason than it's more work

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sn9:

Seeker`: i do hope you're not being serious

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neb_:

ok cool, i was wondering if it'd be worth it for stuff like multirec

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Seeker`:

sn9: I am

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sn9:

justinh: just be glad you don't get BBC America

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justinh:

sn9: you buy a TV or VCR/PVR and now they take a note of your address. that goes onto a database & if there's no record of a licence for that address they hassle the occupier for the fee

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justinh:

it's _illegal_ for a retailer to sell you reception equipment without getting you on the database

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sn9:

justinh: that makes much more sense than what Seeker` said

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code-r:

http://pastebin.com/m126069a4

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code-r:

but tv goes blank.. no audio, no sound

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code-r:

when i try playing live tv

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Seeker`:

they do also have detection vans

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justinh:

you also get longer jail terms for non-payment than for killing people

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justinh:

and bigger fines

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Seeker`:

justinh: Maximum fine is £1000?

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Seeker`:

justinh: I have heard stories of people only getting £100 for first offense

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sn9:

fines for killing people?

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Seeker`:

sn9: I've never heard of people getting fines for murder

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justinh:

I could wipe out a line of people in my car & get away with a fine. it's been known

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code-r:

-> anyone :-S please... http://pastebin.com/m126069a4

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code-r:

=(

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sn9:

clearly, justinh and Seeker` live in two different britains

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justinh:

maybe I'm exaggerating a tad but the penalties for non-payment are ridiculous

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Seeker`:

average fine in 2001 was £143

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justinh:

code-r: so forget all about xvmc then.

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Seeker`:

(for not having a license)

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blackest:

actually its illegal to use tv recieving equipment for live broadcasts, not illegal for timeshifted watching ie dvd

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code-r:

justinh: so leave it as ivtv!?!?

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justinh:

blackest: no, it's for anything capable of receiving TV signals whether you watch them or not

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Seeker`:

justinh: No it isn't

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justinh:

and that includes cable & satellite

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justinh:

Seeker`: IT IS

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blackest:

possesion isnt the offence its use

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neb_:

it is

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Seeker`:

Exclusions not requiring a TV licence are:

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Seeker`:

* televisions installed and used solely for some other purpose e.g. a closed-circuit monitor * televisions used solely as a video/DVD player * televisions used solely as a games console monitor * televisions used solely as a PC monitor

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justinh:

both you and them could never prove/disprove you'd never watched it

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justinh:

Seeker`: if it has a tuner in it, you're knacked

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blackest:

yep but you don't have to prove innocence they have to prove guilt

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justinh:

blackest: tell that to the licencing authority who'll hound you for the fee because they have records saying you _own_ a TV then

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justinh:

me – I really don't mind paying the fee. what I object to is the hassle they give people

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Seeker`:

justinh: if you dont have the capability to connect it to a socket (i.e no aerial cable), they cant claim you are using it

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blackest:

yes they will hound you but they have squat unless they have evidence of you using the tv to recieve broadcasts

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justinh:

Seeker`: true but you'll have to invite them in to show them beyond any reasonable doubt. they're bastards

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blackest:

and first they have to gain entry to your house and you are within your rights to tell em to f off

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justinh:

blackest: once they get a court order that's it

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blackest:

yes but there has to be grounds for that and telling em to f off isnt grounds

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Seeker`:

justinh: but if you aren't using it for TV, you have nothing to worry about

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sn9:

justinh: it's not the paying that seems strange to me, but the terms under which any such fee is assessed

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justinh:

Seeker`: bull shit!

[20:38:27]

justinh:

you still have all the hassle

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Seeker`:

justinh: yes, agreed

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neb_:

Hm

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justinh:

you still have the inconvenience of them coming around, sending endless letters ...

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blackest:

most licience cases are procecuted because of making a statement admitting the offence

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neb_:

i think it's a bit strange it doesn't apply to radios too

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justinh:

neb_: it used to

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blackest:

it used to

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neb_:

fair enough

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sn9:

i thought it still did

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justinh:

nah

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Seeker`:

neb_: It used to, but they decided as only 5% of households (or something like that) dont have TV, it wasn't worth it

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blackest:

actually reminds me i need to check see if my petition is running yet

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justinh:

what petition?

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neb_:

was wondering how they'd enforce it for cars :)

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code-r:

this should work right

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code-r:

mplayer -vc ffmpeg12mc -ao alsa -vo xvmc 1004_20080111180000.mpg

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blackest:

its less than that i think 50,000 homes

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sn9:

Seeker`: it amazes me that they could consider televisions worth it

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justinh:

blackest: if you're one of those anti-BBC folks you need a reality check

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blackest:

to change the method of collecting the tv licience fee

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justinh:

as if the govt is ever going to close such a juicy revenue stream!

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blackest:

its simpler than that the gov and the bbc set the fee so it makes sense to collect it via income tax

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justinh:

they're going to cut off the BBC from it eventually but hear me say this now – no way will the fee ever be revoked

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jduggan:

do you have to pay a license fee to watch bbciplayer/4od online?

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justinh:

jduggan: technically yes you do

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jduggan:

difficult to prove though right

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blackest:

no you dont its that timeshifted get out

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sn9:

justinh: do they really get more revenue from the fees than they spend on enforcement? sounds silly to me

[20:41:29]

justinh:

jduggan: which is precisely why Tessa Jowell has thought about a PC LICENSE

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justinh:

sn9: yeah they do

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jduggan:

haha pc license

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jduggan:

bite me

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jduggan:

the day that comes in

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blackest:

well germany has one

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jduggan:

im moveing to the US

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jduggan:

or au

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neb_:

jduggan: iplayer is for programs you miss (thus the assumption is made you have a TV)

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neb_:

:)

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justinh:

60 million * £130 or whatever it is now..

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sn9:

blackest: why must the tax be on income and not sales or service?

[20:42:34]

justinh:

jduggan: she's _serious_ about the PC tax

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iamlindoro_:

Anyone know the option in lircd.conf that increases the *duration* of a button press? My projector appears to be stubborn about having a nice, long button press

[20:43:18]

neb_:

justinh: but it kind of makes sense

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sphery:

mru: For mythtv-setup over ssh, use ssh -Y (not -X), and use mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt

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neb_:

that replaces the tv tax

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justinh:

once upon a time I was actually in favour of paying for what I watch, and that alone. not anymore. you know what'd happen if that came along. 24/7 poo idol, celebrity ice skating in the jungle BS

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justinh:

and niche shows which might only draw a couple of million or less.. bye byes

[20:44:19]

hachi:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Remotes # hey check it out, it's exactly the information I need... except not

[20:44:25]

justinh:

that could happen anyway. in which case I just stop watching TV

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neb_:

or well, in this day and age tv will be come over the intarweb

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hachi:

apparently it's from october 2007 and whoever wrote this claims lirc_i2c is the proper thing I'm supposed to use

[20:44:49]

justinh:

neb_: nah. too unreliable. no quality either

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blackest:

simplest thing is the licience fee essentially is a central government grant but collected individually it made sense when maybe 1 house in a street had a tv but not now, its assumed you have a tv anyway so why go through the hassle of individual collection when probably with a small jiggle of tax allowances its paid for, it would be an equitable system then

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neb_:

justinh: unreliable?

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sn9:

justinh: pay-for-what-you-watch accounts for little of US programming, and for none of the examples you cited

[20:45:39]

justinh:

sn9: think about all the decent shows HBO has given life

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Seeker`:

one thing is, if you have a house with 1 person, its costs the same as a house with 8 people

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sn9:

yuck, hbo...

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justinh:

sn9: aww no scifi :P

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neb_:

if anyone is after a bargain and uses CD-R's

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neb_:

http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/-/694/901/-/334869 . . . p;P36=75RW3G

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justinh:

neb_: yeah unreliable. I like my TV high res & crispy

[20:46:43]

justinh:

and NOW

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neb_:

i dunno

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neb_:

once fibre is done and ISPs sort their shit out

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justinh:

I don't think the argument that one day the interwebs will be so fat & quick that everything'll be sweet..

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blackest:

i doubt you could ever win a complete change in funding ie advertising or subscription but i think via the standard tax system would be fair, no more wasting money enforcing it and procecuting people who largely are in trouble coz they are poor

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justinh:

neb_: give it 50 years then

[20:47:27]

neb_:

Yeah

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neb_:

:)

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justinh:

blackest: F.O. All the council houses around here, the ones with sofas & wrecked cars in the front garden – they all have Sky

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neb_:

and no tax? :)

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justinh:

too many people treat TV like a fecking birthright. you only have to see US TV to see how lucky we are

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sn9:

justinh: interesting; most of what would be the equivalent of "council houses" here are covered in satellite dishes

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neb_:

i can agree with that, i travel quite a bit to the US & Canada and it can be bad

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blackest:

well the uk has crap tv too

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justinh:

of all the US shows I've liked, I bet they make up a fairly small proportion of total output

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justinh:

blackest: granted. but there's crap & there's crap

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jduggan:

blackest: you obviously dont watch hollyoaks

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jduggan:

*grin*

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mcarter:

Is there a WinTV-PVR that can simultaneously play and record an anoalog signal, and comes with a remote?

[20:50:53]

blackest:

no most british tv I don't watch

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justinh:

anyway when are Fox going to do the right thing & axe The Simpsons now they're well past their best?

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blackest:

thats why myth

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justinh:

mcarter: pvr350, but trust me, you don't want one of them!

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blackest:

selective viewing wins every time

[20:51:36]

mcarter:

Why not?

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justinh:

mcarter: because X in a framebuffer sucks arses

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sn9:

blackest: if you ask the average american to name a "crap british show" it will more than half the time be something that originated on channel four

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_ben:

starting with big brother?

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_ben:

:)

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justinh:

sn9: yeah and if you ask an average UK citizen to name a "crap US show" there's a great choice. Oprah, Dr Phil ...

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mcarter:

Seems that want I want to do isn't viable, then.

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justinh:

mcarter: you mean let you watch and record different things with just one card? PVR500

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mcarter:

Yeah – that's right.

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sn9:

justinh: oprah and dr. phil are the result of local commercial stations refusing to pay for soaps

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justinh:

sn9: boo hoo :P

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justinh:

just for unleashing Jerry Springer on the world yous should all have been nuked to oblivion

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mcarter:

Doesn't come with a remote control, though.

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blackest:

umm cough jeremy kyle

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_ben:

bah

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sn9:

justinh: that even most of us might not disagree with

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_ben:

beat me to it blackest :)

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justinh:

blackest: no Springer in the 1st place, no Kyle outlet

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justinh:

Top Gear. no longer a motoring show, but still top

[20:55:36]

justinh:

Dr. Who.. why can't we just export it & not show it here?

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blackest:

mythweb seems to be allowing me flash for my more recent recordings will it eventually get to doing them all ?

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justinh:

Torchwood – ffs get a lead writer/producer who isn't camp

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sn9:

justinh: you do know why springer was originally recruited to host such a show, right?

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justinh:

sn9: no idea

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justinh:

because of his 'people skills' ? ;)

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blackest:

thats p e o p l e skills ;)

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blackest:

sorry no thats kyle

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_ben:

heh

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justinh:

the big irony is that nobody seems to 'get' him at all. he's looking down on them all saying "oh, the humanity.." & they all miss it totally

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_ben:

there's even a kyle drinking game

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_ben:

i like to think thats why they run that show

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blackest:

hows that go p i n t ?

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_ben:

nah

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justinh:

time to go eat & drink. and maybe be merry

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_ben:

everytime kyle says one of his phases you have to drink your drink

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sn9:

justinh: he was a city councilman in Cincinnati with an uneventful career in office, and was about to leave office in obscurity, when the press broke a story about him having an extramarital affair. the publicity propelled him straight to the title of mayor

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blackest:

thats bad its morning tv

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_ben:

blackest: http://board.dogbomb.co.uk/showthread.php?t=53251

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blackest:

anyone solved the asx problem mythweb refusing access to the stream ?

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htpcdvbs:

has anyone goten mytharchive to burn a dvd

[21:01:20]

htpcdvbs:

?

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xris:

blackest: nothing broken with that... get a media player that supports auth, or turn off auth

[21:01:33]

xris:

actually, I thought I fixed that in the apache conf.

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blackest:

can you pastebin whats needed xris

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xris:

blackest: if I fixed it, it's well-comented in the sample conf file in the code

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xris:

if I didn't, it's not there.

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blackest:

ok i dont know what username password it wants everyone i normally use doesnt work

[21:04:41]

xris:

blackest: then your player doesn't support auth

[21:05:05]

xris:

or doesn't support the type of auth that you're using with mythweb

[21:05:33]

xris:

if I added a fix (I thought I did it for music, not sure about video), it just disables the auth for specific directories

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sn9:

xris: i think blackest is referring to a port number not being put into the asx spec

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xris:

sn9: that should be a setting in mythweb

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sn9:

tell him, not me

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tcpsyn:

Just ordered me up a quad corebox.

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tcpsyn:

I'm psyched

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htpcdvbs:

sn9 have u used mytharchive

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sn9:

tcpsyn: not amd, i hope

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tcpsyn:

Too bad mobo's don't have any damn pci slots anymore.

[21:06:30]

tcpsyn:

sn9, nah, core duo

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sn9:

ok

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blackest:

ok so i need to find where it has the conf

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sn9:

tcpsyn: you mean core quad, right?

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tcpsyn:

sn9 core duo quad

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tcpsyn:

xris, yeah, music works in mythweb without auth

[21:07:23]

sn9:

core 2 quad, no "duo" in the name

[21:07:31]

tcpsyn:

sn9, no, there is

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tcpsyn:

:)

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sn9:

what???

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tcpsyn:

oh, you're right

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tcpsyn:

my bad.

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tcpsyn:

core 2 quad.

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tcpsyn:

whatever, 4 cores.

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tcpsyn:

I need pci-x tuners now though

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tcpsyn:

because i can't find a board with enough pci.

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sn9:

there are no pci-x tuners TMK, only pci-e

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sn9:

pci-x is a different slot

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tcpsyn:

why they gotta go changing everything

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mru:

pci-x is the same slot as pci

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mru:

only clocked faster

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mru:

pci-e is the new one

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FinnTux:

mru, and wider

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FinnTux:

pci-x = 64 bit, pci=32 bit

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mru:

nope, plain pci comes in a 64-bit version too

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mru:

both pci and pci-x can be 32 or 64-bit

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mru:

the difference is that pci-x goes up to 133 MHz

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mru:

pci only supports up to 66 MHz

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mru:

and most cards will only do 33

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sn9:

i thought pci-x could also do 166

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mru:

maybe it can do 166 too

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mru:

my point is that what differentiates pci-x from pci is clock speed, not bus width

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tcpsyn:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . +Motherboard

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tcpsyn:

oops, shoulda tinyurld that

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FinnTux:

ok, didn't know there is 64 bit PCI

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tcpsyn:

thats the board I ordered. doesn't have crap for pci

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sn9:

NuBus ftw! way more bandwidth and speed than ISA!

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mru:

tcpsyn: I see a pci slot on that board

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tcpsyn:

right. just one.

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FinnTux:

what does 64 bit PCI connector look like? same as PCI-X?

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sn9:

FinnTux: pretty much, yes

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mru:

pci and pci-x are plug-compatible

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mru:

either card will work in either slot

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tcpsyn:

I need tuners that fit in those PCI Express x1 slots

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blackest:

apache error log says client used wrong authentication scheme

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mru:

last I checked, no pci-e tuners were supported in linux

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mru:

things may have changed, of course

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sn9:

mru: well, there are two different types of 33MHz 32bit pci slot: 5v and 3.3

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Yahooada1:

i didnt know there were any PCI-E TV cards

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sn9:

Yahooada1: check the wiki

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mru:

sn9: yes, that's also true

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tcpsyn:

mru, well then I need a dual tuner card, with one atsc and one ntsc... The hvr-1600 does that, right.

[21:16:53]

Yahooada1:

why didnt you just order a motherboard with enough PCI slots for you?

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mru:

I wouldn't bother with ntsc

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mru:

never twice same colour...

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sn9:

tcpsyn: if you have a hybrid card, you can set up in myth for _either_ analog or digital, not both

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tcpsyn:

yahooada1, it was a trade off... had I done that i'd have had to use up a pci slot for sound.

[21:17:41]

mru:

is that a limitation of myth or the drivers?

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sn9:

mru: in a way, both

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tcpsyn:

yahooada1, this one has the spdif onboard.

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tcpsyn:

sn9, that's what I thought.

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tcpsyn:

mru, I only get 5 atsc channels, so.. ntsc is necissary.

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mru:

well, if you can stand watching it

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tcpsyn:

I don't need south park in HD.

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tcpsyn:

:)

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mru:

ntsc is worse than SD

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Yahooada1:

tcpsyn, loads of boards do Digital audio now, surely some have more then 1 PCI slot, also, whats wrong with a USB sound card ?

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tcpsyn:

yahooada1, I have a usb sound card now, it's quite unreliable. the Turtle Beach SRM...

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sn9:

mru: the card cannot tune analog and digital at the same time, and myth cannot tie analog channels and digital channels to the same source to guarantee conflicts

[21:20:05]

tcpsyn:

I thought this board would be a good choice.

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sn9:

Yahooada1: what's wrong with onboard sound? usb can't be better...

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mru:

if you're using spdif, onboard should be fine

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tcpsyn:

yeah.

[21:21:28]

tcpsyn:

Thats why I picked this board.

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sn9:

i have never seen usb spdif anyway

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mru:

sometimes onboard audio can be more prone to pick up noise from the system than a pci card

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tcpsyn:

it has DVI and spdif onboard.

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tcpsyn:

sn9, I'm using usb spdif now

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tcpsyn:

sn9, it's fine when it works.

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tcpsyn:

sn9, but I have to constantly reconnect it and bounce alsa

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sn9:

tcpsyn: just be glad you don't have to use usb analog sound

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Yahooada1:

sn9, not saying anything is wrong with onboard, but i was asking why he didnt buy a motherboard with more then 1 PCI slot if he needed that functionality

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tcpsyn:

It came out to a wash, had I bought a board with 2 pci, one of them would've been used by a sound card.

[21:23:15]

tcpsyn:

so.

[21:23:21]

tcpsyn:

I ended up with this one.

[21:23:38]

tcpsyn:

They don't make boards with 6 pci slots anymore

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Yahooada1:

well, whatever, I'm sure you did your research more then me ;)

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sn9:

tcpsyn: they don't make boards with 3 pci slots anymore

[21:24:21]

tcpsyn:

right.

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tcpsyn:

so.. now I have to deal... and get tuners that work.

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tcpsyn:

I can use either my pchdtv or pvr-150 in the pci slot

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sn9:

tcpsyn: check the wiki for pci-e tuners, but be forewarned: any pci tuner will be much, much cheaper

[21:25:57]

tcpsyn:

I've heard good things about the hvr-1600. Anyone using one?

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sn9:

tcpsyn: it's relative crap

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sn9:

unless you have extra-strong signals

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FinnTux:

http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=3743 <- 4 slots. don't mind the , language

[21:27:26]

tcpsyn:

hoabout the 1800

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sn9:

1800 i have never seen, and its analog tuner is still not quite supported in linux

[21:28:03]

tcpsyn:

FinnTux, doesn't support the quad though.

[21:28:18]

FinnTux:

ah, yes

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tcpsyn:

aye, well, I suppose it makes sense to use the pci slot for the lower quality card...

[21:28:54]

tcpsyn:

So I could grab the 1800, and use that and a pvr-150

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sn9:

sure, you could do that, but then you're out of pci slots

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mru:

there's no technical reason to prefera pci-e card over pci

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sn9:

mru: except the availability of slots

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mru:

pci has more than enough bandwidth

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tcpsyn:

mru, technical reason: I have two pci-e slots and one pci :)

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sn9:

one? 1800 is pci, iirc

[21:30:31]

tcpsyn:

1800 is pci-e

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sn9:

ok

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tcpsyn:

http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_hvr1800.html

[21:30:57]

tcpsyn:

it's one digital and one analog tuner.

[21:31:03]

tcpsyn:

but the analog one isn't support yet.

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sn9:

and the analog is framegrabber-only even if it were

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tcpsyn:

any cards have dual digital tuners?

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xand:

does mythtv record which encoder was used to record something?

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FinnTux:

hauppauge nova t-500

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xand:

no use in the US

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blackest:

ha asx now working no authorisation required :)

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sn9:

FinnTux: i think tcpsyn is looking for atsc

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tcpsyn:

yeah

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FinnTux:

ok

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tcpsyn:

atsc

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hachi:

in november of 2005 someone else came to this channel with the exact same problem I'm having

[21:33:20]

hachi:

I don't see a solution in the logs :\

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Seeker`:

hachi: what is the problem you are having?

[21:33:58]

hachi:

pvr-150 remote receiver is not working

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hachi:

doesn't even get detected

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sn9:

Seeker`: he can't get lirc to see his pvr-150

[21:34:35]

hachi:

not lirc

[21:34:38]

hachi:

can't get the kernel to see it

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hachi:

eeprom says its there, and I say it's there (with my eyes)

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sn9:

some hvr-1600's had a remote which was simply dead

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sn9:

receiver, that is

[21:35:41]

hachi:

I'm trying to figure out how I can enumerate the i2c bus on the card

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hachi:

#kernelnewbies on oftc is dead silence, #ivtv has said nothing in 12 hours

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hachi:

I've read every page on google about ivtv ir-kbd-i2c that's in english, plus a few of them in german or japanese :)

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sn9:

ivtv and tveeprom are supposed to do that afaict

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hachi:

what, the enumeration?

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sn9:

yes

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hachi:

yeah, but they need to give me more output

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sn9:

debug options?

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hachi:

I want to see all the device addresses and what's located on them

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hachi:

yeah, next reboot will have even more debug output enabled

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sn9:

yes, i've seen output that lists all that before

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hachi:

funny thing is, I keep running across people saying the lirc_i2c is still the way to go

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hachi:

even as late as november last year

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hachi:

but I can't get that to compile with symbols... so it just ooopses when I insmod it

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sn9:

actually, what i asked about in #knoppmyth was lirc_gpio, which is an all-around no-go

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hachi:

supposedly there's an ir_kbd_gpio somewhere in the world

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hachi:

but it's not in linus' kernel

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inkynoo1:

Can I use MythTV if I don't have a TV tuner card? I just want to rip my DVDs and family videos on to my server and use a Myth front end by the TV to watch them w/out swapping disks

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FinnTux:

inkynoo1, I don't see why not

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sn9:

hachi: i got the gpio remote to work just fine with the dev/input layer, thank you very much

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Bentley__:

hi all – I'm specing out hardware for a mythtv frontend (not backend). I want to do HD. The wiki gives good guidance for the CPU, but I'm wondering about RAM. Does anyone know how much ram I should plan to use in a MythTV Frontend-only that decodes HD?

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inkynoo1:

sweet, thanks

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hachi:

I think I'm also gonna ... wait, what's a gpio remote?

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mru:

is there really no sane way to configure the xmltv channel list?

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jduggan:

Bentley__: 1gb should be fine

[21:41:03]

jduggan:

Bentley__: imo its the choice of theme that can rape your memory

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sn9:

Bentley__: i would recommend a bare minimum of 768, but more can't hurt

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hachi:

I think I'm also gonna see if I can switch to a different firmware for giggles, even though I don't think the firmware dictates how the i2c bus works

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mru:

mythfrontend will easily eat 200MB or more doing nothing

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Bentley__:

jduggan, 1 GB sounds reasonable, I'll start with that

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tcpsyn:

Howabout usb tuners... That would be an option.

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mru:

given the price of ram, there's rarely reason to go with less than 2GB

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sn9:

Bentley__: get more if you can spare it

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mru:

usb tuners are hit and miss

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tcpsyn:

I just got 4G for like $40.00.

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jduggan:

yea this is true

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jduggan:

memory is cheap

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mru:

tcpsyn: that sounds a bit too cheap

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sn9:

tcpsyn: usb tuner — there ya go

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tcpsyn:

mru, rebates.

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Bentley__:

here's another question. If it's a frontend-only system, but has a DVD drive in it, will mythtv-frontend handle playing a DVD that is put in the drive? Or will it only try to play a dvd that's in the drive on the backend system?

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jduggan:

Bentley__: mythtdvd is for frontends only

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kmyth:

where does mysql log its errors to?

[21:43:57]

kmyth:

trying to start it and it just wont

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Bentley__:

ah, very cool – thx jduggan

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kmyth:

nothing is in var/log/mysql* either

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jduggan:

kmyth: distro/syslog dependant, usually /var/log/mysql.log or /var/log/mysql/mysql.log

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sn9:

kmyth: look in the initscript and see

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Bentley__:

damn the cost adds up :-)

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sn9:

Bentley__: how much has it added up so far?

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[21:45:42]

kmyth:

i lost power to the machine and it's pretty hosed

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Bentley__:

sn – around $400

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sn9:

Bentley__: is that all?

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kmyth:

cant start mythfrontend at all

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Bentley__:

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX15221(ME).aspx

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Bentley__:

plus cpu, ram, hdd, etc

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sn9:

Bentley__: my browser is hosed atm. what's at the link?

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Bentley__:

asus booksize barebone system

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sn9:

probably a great choice, depending on specs

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Bentley__:

my wife won't let me put a mini-tower in the living room :-)

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sn9:

yuck, minitowers...

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sn9:

sff boxes ftw

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Bentley__:

sn9, it's got nvidia chipset and supports amd64 4600+

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Bentley__:

if only mediamvp support HD

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sn9:

61x0 video?

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Bentley__:

sn9, i don't know what that means

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sn9:

61x0 == 6100 or 6150

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Bentley__:

ah, actually I don't know, it says "Integrated GeForce 6 GPU"

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sn9:

maybe newer, then

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Bentley__:

it's got dvi out, etc

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xand:

grrr

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sn9:

Bentley__: is the case sff or xpc?

[21:51:18]

sn9:

form factor

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** Bentley__ is looking **

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sn9:

you can most easily tell from the photo, if there is one

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xand:

I have a dvb-t-500 card... when recording from one of the tuners, the quality is really awful, but only recently... ideas?

[21:52:39]

xand:

the other tuner on the card is ok

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kmyth:

well this is nice

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Bentley__:

sn9, I don't know :-D wget http://www.memoryexpress.com/Images/products/D/MX15221-0.jpg

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kmyth:

mysql is producing no error log as to why it's not starting

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mru:

it never does

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xand:

hmm

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sn9:

Bentley__: looks like sff standing on its side

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The_Rebel:

yo

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FinnTux:

looks like asus pundit

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The_Rebel:

anyone ever had any trouble with SD?

[21:57:12]

The_Rebel:

its not mapping all of my channels

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sn9:

Bentley__: much better choice than xpc

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mru:

FinnTux: I was just thinking the same

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Bentley__:

sn9 – great!

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sn9:

but if it really is a new asus "pundit" you'll have a lot or trouble with myth

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sn9:

*of

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FinnTux:

I had older model. My mom is using it now

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Bentley__:

sn9, is that so?

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sn9:

FinnTux: yes, older is better when it comes to the pundit line

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sn9:

takes time to add support for new stuff

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Bentley__:

sn9, I'm reading a blog post of a guy that build a front+backend with this same box – says there were no hitches

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sn9:

really? great!

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sn9:

for a while, pundit models were less friendly

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Bentley__:

this guy actually prefaces his post with a similar comment about older models

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Bentley__:

can anyone recommend a good remote control for use with lirc/myth?

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iamlindoro_:

MS MCE remote/Reciever

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Bentley__:

that should be easy to find

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The_Rebel:

alright since nobody can anser me my previous question.. how do i set my EPG channels?

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sn9:

many tuners come with remotes that work with lirc

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iamlindoro_:

The_Rebel: If you only have a few channels to set, then get the XMLids with the "report" fuction at SD and put them into the XMLid box in the channel editor in mythweb

[22:05:07]

iamlindoro_:

The_Rebel: Or even if you have a bunch to set, if you can't get them mapped properly, doing it that way is your only option

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Seeker`:

The_Rebel: What card are you using?

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iamlindoro_:

sn9: Going 200 Mbit -> 400 Mbit for the firewire speed seems to have made a huge difference in tuning/playback reliability

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The_Rebel:

Nova-S Plus

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The_Rebel:

there's a channel editor in mythweb?

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iamlindoro_:

Yes, in the settings portion

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: just telling you what the moto manual said

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Seeker`:

When I installed my pvr-150, it picked up analog as "22", "25" etc.

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iamlindoro_:

sn9: Good stuff, thanks

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Seeker`:

I had to use the mythweb channel editor to convert them into "real" channel numbers

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The_Rebel:

okay thanks for the help

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: it was pure blind luck that i thought to ask you what speed you used

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whodat:

hmm... All-software HDTV decoder is listed as a "feature" for the hd-5500.. why is that a feature, isnt it worse than hardware decoding?

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iamlindoro_:

sn9: I guess we both know what happens when you set it wrong now, then ;)

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sn9:

whodat: you won't find a hardware decoder in an hd tuner

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whodat:

why is that?

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sn9:

because none are made?

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whodat:

you know my next question is going to be 'why not?' heh

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sn9:

not sufficient demand

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iamlindoro_:

Because HD capture cards aren't output devices

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sn9:

well, i have to go return a tv to fry's. be back tomorrow...

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iamlindoro_:

haha

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iamlindoro_:

I noticed when I moved back that the same type of person still works there, ten years later...

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iamlindoro_:

non-english-speaking

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xand:

in "watch TV" can I force it to use a specific tuner?

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Solv:

hey this is off topic...but is there a channel on freenode for general kernel/hardware issues and help?

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iamlindoro_:

xand: It'll go to the highest priority available tuner, so you can jack up priorities

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xand:

Solv: there is ##hardware and ##inux

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xand:

+l

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xand:

iamlindoro_: right

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Solv:

xand, yeah cool...i'll look and see what their like

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xand:

er what the hell is mythtv-setup doing

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xand:

when I select its window it screws the X display up :S

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mru:

screws up how?

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gbee:

sounds more like an X bug

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xand:

hmm the screenshot doesn't come out how it actually is

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xand:

it's kinda like all the colors on the screen are inverted, but darker

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xand:

and the text disappears from my terminal windows

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xand:

anyway doesn't matter

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gbee:

x or driver bug

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gbee:

maybe config

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xand:

mythfrontend doesn't do it

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gbee:

but nothing to do with anything that mythtv-setup is doing

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xand:

surely they both access the display the same way

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opentrinity:

hi, i configure mythtv but don't found any channel...where i wrong?

[22:25:11]

xand:

iamlindoro_: changing the priority made no difference to which tuner is used for watching live programs :(

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xand:

hm

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xand:

I guess if i run another mythfrontend

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xand:

ok that did it

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xand:

seems the signal lock is only partial on this tuner... od

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xand:

d

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whodat:

how do i monitor an hd channel's signal in mythtv?

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Solv:

opentrinity, you really have to give much more detail....people aren't mind readers

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Solv:

start with what tuner card you have...what type of signal you are trying to tune...and the steps you have taken so far

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Solv:

otherwise you will be ignored

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opentrinity:

Solv: terratec hybrid xs fm....

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opentrinity:

now i find that i have to make a file with MUX frequencies

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opentrinity:

i'm on the right way?

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Solv:

okay so is that for analog OTA, DVB_T/S or cable

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opentrinity:

dvb_t

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Solv:

opentrinity, then you shouldn't need to setup any config files

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Solv:

what country

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opentrinity:

italy

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Solv:

okay, so in mythtv-setup have you configured your video sources yet?

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opentrinity:

yes

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Solv:

and it has italy as a channel table listed?

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opentrinity:

yes

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Solv:

sorry i skipped a step...what about the capture cards...did it recognise your card in the list...something like DVB_0 and then give you details of the card?

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asathoor:

hi – after updating to ubuntu 7.10 I have no sound i mythtv

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asathoor:

where can I configure sound in mythtv?

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Solv:

opentrinity, there is a list you can flick through...but you need to make sure the correct one is selected before moving on...if it doesn't see it, then it's time to go back and check to see why the card isn't being detected

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opentrinity:

ok

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whodat:

is there a way to monitor an hd channel's signal in mythtv?

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Solv:

asathoor...general setup

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asathoor:

ok I'll try

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opentrinity:

Solv....i wrong i dont found italy...only germany spain united kingdom

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asathoor:

i cannot find sound settings in general :-$

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iamlindoro_:

asathoor: Utilities/Setup->Setup->General in mythfrontend

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iamlindoro_:

but you should check that sound works outside of myth first

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asathoor:

thanx I was in the backend

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Solv:

opentrinity, okay..then you may well need to find the frequency table and put it in a config file and tell mythtv to read that....there should be some help on the web to guide you through....i'm sure your not the only one in italy using mythtv

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Solv:

asathoor, hehe

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Solv:

yeah i meant frontend

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asathoor:

one moment....

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Solv:

opentrinity, a few years back i had to do that before mythtv scanned automatically...a bit of a process...you have to get some programs called dvbscan and tzap I believe to tune the card and output the channels frequencies and names to a file called channels.conf

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asathoor:

thanks a lot :)

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asathoor:

Now it works all right...

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opentrinity:

yes i 'm read the wiki tha says exactly this

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opentrinity:

Solv: i make the file channel.conf and seems good+

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opentrinity:

where i put this file?

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asathoor:

had to change alsa:default to /dev/dsp

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Solv:

opentrinity, that's where i can't remember....hold on i'll try and find out

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tjcarter:

haha, list I'm on is discussing NYC's new Star Trek Street Crapper

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tjcarter:

we're having a very hard time taking the thing seriously.

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tjcarter:

I hope RoboPotty doesn't run windows ;)

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tjcarter:

BEEP, eject TP please... BSOD.

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Solv:

opentrinity, http://www.ethics-gradient.net/myth/mythdvb2.html

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Solv:

see if that helps at all...it's a fair bit to take in but it may help get you over the line

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Solv:

opentrinity, basically it seems that you have to manually set the freuqnecy ranges to scan for in the channel editor...so i guess you create your channels, and then put in the info manually

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FinnTux:

anyone having problems compiling mythplugins?

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opentrinity:

Solv: i found and seems to be right (insteat contry i give the path of channels.conf) but know says that my ip is non correct...

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FinnTux:

/usr/local/include/mythtv/mythdialogs.h: In member function ‘void RecordingSelector::closePopupMenu()’:

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FinnTux:

/usr/local/include/mythtv/mythdialogs.h:207: error: ‘virtual MythPopupBox::~MythPopupBox()’ is protected

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FinnTux:

recordingselector.cpp:153: error: within this context

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Solv:

opentrinity....so has it found some channels yet...what do you mean by ip non correct...is this when you tried to start mythfrontend and it as said it cannot connect to the master backend?

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opentrinity:

yes

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Solv:

opentrinity, you need to start mythbackend as root and then switch back to normal user and run mythfrontend

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Solv:

if you have done that...then make sure in the 'general' setup that the dir to hold recordings actually exists on your computer, and that the user has permission to write to it

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Solv:

general setup of mythtv-setup....not mythfrontend setup

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inkynoo1:

Does the Myth frontend and backend have to have the same version number?

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Solv:

inkynoo1, so i've heard...but i've never run a seperate backend frontend system so i'm not sure

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inkynoo1:

Do you know how I can check my backend version? I used mythubuntu, and I don't recall seeing a version number

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Solv:

inkynoo1, but i have seen a post somewhere saying you will likely run into problems if you don't

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opentrinity:

Solv: when i run mythbackend after 3 seconds says that the device is busy

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opentrinity:

i don't understand what ip i have to write!?

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iamlindoro__:

mythbackend --version

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Solv:

opentrinity, yeah i've seen that before...it means the card is being accessed already by some process

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iamlindoro__:

revisions *must* match or bad bad BAD things happen

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Solv:

opentrinity, is it a backend and frontend on one computer

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iamlindoro__:

likewise, you can check frontend version with mythfrontend --version

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Solv:

if it is both on one pc...then the ip address should be 127.0.0.1

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opentrinity:

solv yes

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opentrinity:

all ip adress that i found on configurations?

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inkynoo1:

iamlindoro: My frontend is .20.2 for OSX, the backend says .20.20070821–1. How exactly do they need to match?

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Solv:

yep....there will be two there....set them both to your localhost address (127.0.0.1)

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Solv:

leave the ports as default

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iamlindoro__:

inkynoo1: those are both .20.2, your fine

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iamlindoro__:

er you're

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inkynoo1:

ok. then I must be having some other problems. MythFrontend for Mac goes through the setup process *every* time I launch, and then crashes

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iamlindoro__:

then either your mysql.txt is wrong, or your backend isn't set up to accept remote clients

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iamlindoro__:

you can check your sys and console logs on your mac to see what messages is gives when it crashes

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iamlindoro__:

er it

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opentrinity:

Solv: if i write 127.0.0.1 in all fields ip ...when i try to run tv says that the ip is maybe incorrect

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inkynoo1:

Thanks iamlindoro: I'm not very used to debugging stuff like this on a Mac. I'll look at those

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iamlindoro__:

ok

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iamlindoro__:

no problem

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Yahooada1:

opentrinity – BE and FE run on the same box?

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Yahooada1:

is Mysql running?

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clever:

http://www.pastebin.ca/852610

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Solv:

opentrinity, it's just guessing that's the problem it can't connect to the backend...your actual problem is it isn't running

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clever:

massive flood in logs

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Solv:

opentrinity, I have to go...best of luck

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opentrinity:

bye

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opentrinity:

tx

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inkynoo1:

iamlindoro (and others): Ubuntu's Mysql only allows connections from localhost by default. I had to edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf and comment out the bind-address parameter

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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iamlindoro_:

Any default mysql would be set up that way

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iamlindoro_:

That's what I meant when I said "your backend isn't set up to accept remote clients"

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Yahooada1:

opentrinity, BE and FE run on the same box? and is MySQL running

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inkynoo1:

The funny (to me) thing is, that MythUbuntu asked if other clients were going to be connecting to the backend, and made it possible for the the mythtv mysql user to connect from other hosts, but not for mysql-server to accept connections...

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opentrinity:

Yahooada1: i don't know...about mysql

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Yahooada1:

BE = Backend (the server bit), FE = Frontend (the client bit)

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Yahooada1:

for mysql, i think you can do /etc/init.d/mysql status

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Yahooada1:

or ps | grep mysqld

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clever:

ps aux i think would show more

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Yahooada1:

lol

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Yahooada1:

too much time doing OpenWRT today :p

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clever:

lol

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opentrinity:

Yahooada1: u read in pvt?

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Yahooada1:

yeah

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Yahooada1:

guess you didnt get my messages, dont think im authed

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opentrinity:

in fact

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Yahooada1:

Anyway, its quite simple, lets take it a step at a time

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Yahooada1:

What distrobution are you running, and where are you TV tuners, in the Computer your going to watch from?

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opentrinity:

debian

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opentrinity:

i have one computer where i want to see tv

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hachi:

I've got a weird situation

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opentrinity:

ps |grep ....ecc show nothing

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hachi:

let's say that I'm recording a sports game, and I know that it's going to run over for time

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Yahooada1:

opentrinity – are you recording TV on the same computer your watching from

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hachi:

is there a way to artificially extend the recording time of a program while it's going?

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opentrinity:

Yahooada1: ???recording??? i dont see tv!!

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Yahooada1:

You must have a TV tuner in your computer if you want to watch TV, where is that TV tuner

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kawsy:

opentrinity: what you see on mythtv is always a recording.. even livetv.. Yahooada1 wants to know if you have your cable hooked up to one computer and are trying to watch it on another

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opentrinity:

tv tuner is installed and work great (for ex with kaffeine)

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Yahooada1:

opentrinity – is this on the same computer you plan to watch with?

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opentrinity:

yes

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Yahooada1:

ok then

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opentrinity:

(sorry i'm frustrated)

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Yahooada1:

have you followed any guides? for example, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . n_Debian_Sid

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FyreFoX:

hi is there a way to make mythtv auto refresh the video list instead of having to goto setup/video manager everytime ?

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iamlindoro__:

FyreFoX: No.

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iamlindoro__:

If you want, you can set it to browse the file system structure instead

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iamlindoro__:

In general video settings

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opentrinity:

Yahooada1: yes...but i only installed .deb

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FyreFoX:

damn. when would that kick in? each time I started mythtv .. ?

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Yahooada1:

do this command – ps aux | grep mysql

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kawsy:

does anyone have a hauppauge pvr-150 with the ir receiver / blaster combo cable? And have it remote control working?

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iamlindoro__:

FyreFoX: If you are just browsing the file structure, it's any time you go to watch videos

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FyreFoX:

iamlindoro__: oic, thanks

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iamlindoro__:

FyreFoX: It's fast but (I've never used it) I believe you give up having metadata/imdb, etc

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iamlindoro__:

np

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opentrinity:

Yahooada1: paste in pvt (remember i can't read u)

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Yahooada1:

ok now ps aux | grep mythbac

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opentrinity:

1001 15735 0.0 0.0 3088 776 pts/0 S+ 00:51 0:00 grep mythbackend

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Yahooada1:

ok

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Yahooada1:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart

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kawsy:

Anyone? pvr150 irblaster/ir receiver combo cable?

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Yahooada1:

(or if your running as root, ommit sudo)

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Yahooada1:

Doesnt the PVR come with a USB boxy thing?

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opentrinity:

done

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kawsy:

I think the MCE edition does.. this is just a pci card

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Yahooada1:

opentrinity, try ps aux | grep mythbac

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opentrinity:

1001 15788 0.0 0.0 3092 776 pts/0 R+ 00:53 0:00 grep mythbackend

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Yahooada1:

ok, type mythbackend

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opentrinity:

root?

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Yahooada1:

a load of text will come up, and then it will probably stop at some point

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Yahooada1:

should work ok

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Yahooada1:

as root

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Yahooada1:

pastebin the output opentrinity

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opentrinity:

:-/

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opentrinity:

pvt

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opentrinity:

sorry

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opentrinity:

Yahooada1: received?

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