Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, January 11th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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justinh:

ooo wow I found my long lost webremote graphics

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whodat:

anyone know how to make the channel up / down use both tuner cards? or not doable?

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justinh:

whodat: you need to change sources to use another tuner with a different lineup

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justinh:

the key to do that is bound to Y by default

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whodat:

justinh: in my channel guide, i have 2,3,4,5_1,6,7,8,8_1,9,... the 5_1 and 8_1 are on the seperate digital card.. so they are combined there. but i cant have them combined on the channel up/down like they are in the guide?

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justinh:

whodat: don't think so. unless putting them in your favourite channels & electing to only show favourites will do that

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whodat:

ok thanks

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jarle_:

Is it possible to have phpMyAdmin to sort on channum VALUE so that channum 1001 is listed before 10002?

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shep_:

Hey all – when a recording is autoexpired, will it be marks for recording at a later time?

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justinh:

shep_: nope

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shep_:

justinh: any way to set it so it is?

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clever:

sn9: you there?

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justinh:

shep_: don't know

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shep_:

if i go out of town for a week, and episodes roll off the end, i wont know that i missed them

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marrandy:

justinh: I don't think I'm ever going to get this to work – is it always so hard to get the DVI working on the front-end ?

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shep_:

obviously, i could just turn it off...

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sn9:

clever: not for long; why?

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clever:

sn9: i pissed off my dct2000:P

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justinh:

shep_: you can go into the previously recorded list & see what shows up there :)

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clever:

sn9: i connected to it with a term emulator and hit enter and it spewed tons of garbage

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sn9:

clever: 9600?

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clever:

sn9: yep

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justinh:

shep_: see anything you missed, just select it & get it to re-record

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clever:

sn9: and random strings in between the garbage like 8NVINTERACT. and Z.NVAMAPMANAGER.

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shep_:

justinh: heh, I forget, does it sort by date? I have records going back a few years now :-D

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justinh:

shep_: sort by date or title

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clever:

sn9: the speed is right and some strings are getting thru intact and the rest are probly part of a binary protocol

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justinh:

forwards or backwards IIRC

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sn9:

clever: right

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jduggan:

when i bring up the OSD i used to have the channel icon in the top left – somehow im just getting the channel name in some ugly text – wheres the setting to show the icon instead? My other frontend is showing hte icon fine

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clever:

sn9: but the channelchange.py isnt doing anything

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justinh:

jduggan: backend won't stream the icons

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shep_:

justinh: thanks, ill do that, turn off autoexpire, and look at getting more disk space :-)

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jduggan:

justinh: i have the icons on the frontends also

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jduggan:

hmm

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jduggan:

wait

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jduggan:

i could be confusing myself here

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jduggan:

because i switched machines around

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sn9:

clever: power-cycle the box (using standby, not the wall plug)

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jduggan:

justinh: where do i configure those icons for another frontend?

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clever:

sn9: in the middle of a recording atm

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jduggan:

can i just copy the dir to the local frontend

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jduggan:

(which holds the jpgs)

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justinh:

jduggan: you don't. just copy or share em

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sn9:

no, wait until the recording is done

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clever:

sn9: short channel changes durrign a comercial are harmless but id have to wait for one

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jduggan:

ok cheers

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clever:

sn9: i could power cycle it when a com comes up

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sn9:

just don't unplug it from the wall

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

..�.........i..�...�.........i..�..�...�.........i..�...�....... ..i..�..�...�.........i..�...�.........i..�..�...�.........i..� �...�.........i..�...�.........i..�...�.........i..�...�.........i ..�...�.........i...

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clever:

its also beeping after each 'packet'

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sn9:

binary does tend to contain ctrl-g

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clever:

sn9: yeah

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clever:

hd /dev/ttyUSB0 fixes that:P

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code-r:

Ok how do i reset the myth theme back to the default

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code-r:

my current themes seems to have been currupted and i cant see any writing

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clever:

-r or --reset Resets frontend appearance settings and language

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clever:

(argument to mythfrontend)

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code-r:

hmm

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code-r:

nop.. mythtv-setup still blue

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code-r:

not grey

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sn9:

code-r: that is the default now

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code-r:

oh

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code-r:

i cant see any writing :(

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code-r:

just the pritty picture to the rightg

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sn9:

font issues?

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code-r:

"2008-01–10 19:24:34.197 MythThemedMenuPrivate: Unknown tag image in background

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code-r:

hmm maybe

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clever:

i get that error often

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code-r:

what fonts do they use..

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jduggan:

hmm, that fixed the icons displayed IN the actual OSD, but the top right of my tv its showing text for the chan name not the icon still – where's that setting?

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jduggan:

er, top left, even

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code-r:

??? so what fonts

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justinh:

jduggan: probably the OSD theme is different

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jduggan:

justinh: they're both using blootube

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jduggan:

well actually, the one that works is mythbuntu

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jduggan:

other is blootube

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jduggan:

but theyre both the same, right?

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jduggan:

more or less

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code-r:

ok i lied.. lol i cant see the menu text, but the date/time, error messages and the text INSIDE the options shows up

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clever:

sn9: power cycled the box

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code-r:

any ideas :(

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clever:

sn9: the activity light was still steadily beating when off and when back on

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sn9:

clever: does the script work now?

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clever:

still nothing

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clever:

script doesnt even exit now

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clever:

its 'frozen'

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sn9:

clever: you weren't supposed to be running the script *during* the power-cycle

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clever:

no i didnt:P

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clever:

i shut the box off

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clever:

the rx led kept blinking steadily

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clever:

thurned it back on

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clever:

still blinking

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sn9:

what rx light?

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clever:

then ran the script

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clever:

the usb serial port has an rx tx and link LED

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sn9:

oh, that's ok

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sn9:

i thought you meant the REMOTE light on the box

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clever:

but i can tell when its sending those packets of 'garbage' at a steady rate

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clever:

without having to open a term emulator

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blkorpheus:

where can I get a good mkiconmap.pl?

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sn9:

standby does not really do anything to the box beyond shutting off the outputs, but on mine, it also seems to reset the serial protocol

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blkorpheus:

can someone pastebin theirs for me?

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clever:

sn9: the rf signal on the coax doesnt go 'off' when i go into 'standby' (it just changes to a black image)

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sn9:

clever: you're not by any chance tuned to an hd channel?

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clever:

sn9: analog channel

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sn9:

hmm

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sn9:

try a different analog channel

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sn9:

preferably something obscure

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blkorpheus:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=659623

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clever:

manualy hit down to 44

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clever:

then tried the script to return to 45 or 44

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clever:

neither worked

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sn9:

hmm

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clever:

it just sat there

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clever:

sitting at line 120

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clever:

within get_response

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sn9:

if you have a local cable access channel, tune to it without the script running, then power-cycle

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clever:

cable access channel?

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clever:

ahh i see why the script isnt exiting

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clever:

from a glance at the code it appears to stop reading the 'reply' at a null

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clever:

and the packets its sending out at a steady rate lack any nulls

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clever:

so it just keeps appending them to the current reply and never exiting

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sn9:

the box needs to be switched into a non-binary mode somehow

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clever:

from a glance in the python code it appears to be a binary protocol:P

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sn9:

yes, but the script needs to start the protocol from a non-binary mode, iirc

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sn9:

also, do not run the script and minicom at the same time, which should go without saying

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clever:

yeah:P

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code-r:

is there any reason my usb ir blaster would not work if i have it pluged in durring boot. but if i plug it in after boot it works fine ?!?!?

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sn9:

and do not allow minicom to send modem commands

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clever:

sn9: yeah i just looked up how to do that today

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clever:

after having pissed off the box

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sn9:

clever: easy: unplug the dongle from the back of the box

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clever:

a cord power cycle stoped the thing from sending out packages of garbage at a steady rate

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code-r:

where does the themes get saved in the databae?

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justinh:

settings table

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clever:

the actual theme itself is on disk

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justinh:

code-r: you can override it with mythfrontend -O Theme=$theme where $theme is the exact name of the theme

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clever:

sn9: the box isnt reacting to the script now but the script is exiting

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clever:

Bus 002 Device 027: ID 050d:0109 Belkin Components F5U109/F5U409 PDA Adapter

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sn9:

you have handshaking off, right?

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clever:

i started minicom with -o and exited with ^a,q so it doesnt send modem handshakes

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clever:

and the box is totaly silent

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sn9:

i mean serial handshakes

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clever:

hardware flow control?

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justinh:

code-r: you're welcome

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sn9:

yes, and i don't trust minicom not to send modem commands — i pull the plug when they might be sent

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code-r:

=)

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clever:

sn9: hd doesnt send anything

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code-r:

i just dont understand why all my myt text would just disapear

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clever:

open("/dev/ttyUSB0", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3

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clever:

dup2(3, 0) = 0

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clever:

read(0, "", 16) = 0

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code-r:

looks lie it was just that one theme

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sn9:

all flow control is off, right?

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clever:

and its reading nothing at all

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justinh:

code-r: usual reason is msttcorefonts are missing

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clever:

sn9: the python script kills flow control in its init

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sn9:

ok, good

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clever:

sn9: serCon = serial.Serial(SERIALPORT,baudrate=9600, bytesize=serial.EIGHTBITS, parity=serial.PARITY_NONE, stopbits=serial.STOPBITS_ONE, timeout=1, xonxoff=0, rtscts=0,)

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sn9:

ok, good

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code-r:

justinh: any idea what fedora package that would be lol

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justinh:

use the package manager search function you noob ;)

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code-r:

baaa stupid slow computer

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code-r:

guess ill have to :-P

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justinh:

or just stop using the theme that uses lame ms fonts

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code-r:

just got GANT to work...

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code-r:

justing: it was the default theme

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justinh:

code-r: not those fonts then. GANT needs Arial

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blkorpheus:

mkiconmap.pl

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code-r:

hmm wonder what it was then

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blkorpheus:

I need a good copy that works

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code-r:

or why my stupid mceusb2 doesnt like being booted..

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code-r:

lol

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sn9:

code-r: it's not the computer that's slow — it's the damn python crap of a pkg mgr

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blkorpheus:

mine is blank

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code-r:

sn9: no its the puter.. :)

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clever:

sn9: on redhat the package manager gui ate 200% of my ram!

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sn9:

clever: exactly

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clever:

though i did have 64mb of ram...

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code-r:

ok now y don ti have sound!!! arg

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justinh:

code-r: you're steeping recommendations on Fedora there fella :)

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code-r:

*sigh*

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code-r:

ever since i upgraded to fedora 8!

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justinh:

upgrades are for the brave

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code-r:

audio is not in mythtv-setup right?

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code-r:

they are in front end

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clever:

sn9: hitting the enter key in minicom still pisses the box off:D

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justinh:

code-r: audio for INPUT is in mythtv-setup. audio output setup is in mythfrontend

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code-r:

whats the diff between dsp and adsp

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clever:

sn9: now its dumping random strings like .NVASYSTIME. .NVADCTCONFIG. .NVADCTCONFIG. NVADCTCONFIG. 8NVADCTCONFIG. seperated by chunks of garbage

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sn9:

clever: um, is minicom set to send CR or CRLF?

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clever:

sn9: not shure but its dumping something

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clever:

07.93

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clever:

one of the many things its spiting

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sn9:

code-r: first and second inputs of the card

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clever:

appears to be dumping a long list of things

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clever:

when i pipe it thru strings i can see a patern

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code-r:

/dev/dsp is the card right?

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sn9:

code-r: what are you trying to do?

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code-r:

sn9

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code-r:

sn9: get audio in myth frontend )

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sn9:

code-r: do you have a bttv card?

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clever:

sn9: not shure what i did but when i read it with hd it no longer exits asap

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code-r:

sn9: no pvr 150

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code-r:

duu

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code-r:

found it

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code-r:

"2008-01–10 19:57:53.061 Error opening audio device (/dev/dsp), the error was: Permission denied

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clever:

sn9: its doing something now...

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sn9:

code-r: then why are you messing with sound inputs?

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code-r:

wow thtts loud!

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clever:

sn9: the script actualy outputs something with the uncommented print's but it still doesnt change channel

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sn9:

code-r: there is no setting for sound inputs for pvr — only outputs, which should be ALSA:default

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code-r:

and mixer master right

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sn9:

code-r: ALSA

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code-r:

i only get master or pcm

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sn9:

code-r: whether you control master or pcm is a matter of preference

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clever:

damnit

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code-r:

sn9: neither are dropping the sound volume

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clever:

myth just expired a show i was going to watch

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code-r:

should the mixer be alsa:default or /dev/mixer

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sn9:

alsa

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iamlindoro_:

is there a cat /dev/video1 > test.mpg equivalent for firewire testing?

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iamlindoro_:

or do I have to use test_mpeg2, which I appear not to have?

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: there is a script — i think it's in extras

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iamlindoro_:

ok, will take a look

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iamlindoro_:

thanks

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iamlindoro_:

sn9, I appear to be successful in brodcast mode only, is that anything to worry about?

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: you mean < 100 ?

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iamlindoro_:

ermm... still all new to me, what do you mean?

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sn9:

channel numbers

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iamlindoro_:

Umm, no I mean http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire

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iamlindoro_:

on the section there re: stabilizing the connection

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sn9:

oh, that

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iamlindoro_:

p2p appears to fail

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iamlindoro_:

but broadcast appears successful

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sn9:

strange, P-t-P worked for me and broadcast failed — or maybe i remember that backwards

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iamlindoro_:

I used firewire_tester -B -n 1 -r 5

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iamlindoro_:

with full success... good news?

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iamlindoro_:

sn9, any notion of what the test script is talled?

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sn9:

i don't remember what args i used

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iamlindoro_:

er called

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code-r:

ok y does the audio not go down :(

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sn9:

no, no notion

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iamlindoro_:

fair enough, thanks

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iamlindoro_:

Or, I suppose, I could just add it to mythtv and find out that way

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iamlindoro_:

Presumably I need to set up a channel change script also, or is a stable firewire connection adequate?

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sn9:

but what worked in firewire_tester is what worked in myth — until i either hit 5C or somehow reset the connection (e.g. reboot, hotplug, standby)

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iamlindoro_:

ok, sounds good... and re: channel changing?

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iamlindoro_:

3200 script, or is this enough?

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sn9:

when you hit 5C, myth goes berserk

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iamlindoro_:

hehe

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iamlindoro_:

Trial and error I suppose

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sn9:

you need to stop the backend, rerun setup, change the initial channel, and restart the backend

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sn9:

anytime you hit 5C

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iamlindoro_:

ouch

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iamlindoro_:

perhaps better to get into the service menu and make note then

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sn9:

what's worse, there's no guarantee that a channel won't be 5C'ed only part-time

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iamlindoro_:

and regarding channel changing?

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iamlindoro_:

do I need 6200.c?

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iamlindoro_:

er 6200ch.c?

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iamlindoro_:

'cause I'm using it right now, and it has a definition in the code for the 3200, but I get "Could not find Motorola DCT-6200 on the 1394 bus."

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sn9:

if you can get video, channel changing should "just work" — 6200ch has an entry for the dch-3200

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iamlindoro_:

ok, well, will take the plung on video I suppose

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iamlindoro_:

plunge

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sn9:

keep in mind that i only tried this on a dct-6200 so far

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iamlindoro_:

Well, it autodetected, that's a good sign...

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iamlindoro_:

YES!

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iamlindoro_:

First ten channels + Comedy Central = A OK

[01:17:05]

iamlindoro_:

No channel changing yet, but....!!!

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iamlindoro_:

have been manually changing them so far, but can totally live with that if it comes down to it

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iamlindoro_:

Discovery HD = YES!

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iamlindoro_:

Best. SD. Ever. On my Mythbox

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clever:

sn9: do you think i need the port enabled first?

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sn9:

clever: port?

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iamlindoro_:

Woohoooooo, all my channels in the clear on Firewire!!!!!

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blkorpheus:

got the icons!

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clever:

sn9: serial port

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clever:

sn9: for controling the dct2000 channel

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iamlindoro_:

sn9, thank you for the help. :) :) So ecstatic right now

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: check history, starz, tvg horseracing, kpix-hd, and one other thing i can't think of atm

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sn9:

those were the 5C'ed things in foster city

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sn9:

clever: "enabled" ?

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clever:

sn9: acording to the readme you may need to call the provider up to enable the serial port

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sn9:

clever: AIUI, that's if you get nothing over the port at all

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clever:

ah

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clever:

im getting some output

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clever:

but its nothing the script is able to accept

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sn9:

hmm....

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clever:

and my dads idea of watch it for a bootup menu while powering it on didnt work either

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clever:

it just output a small number of ...'s

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iamlindoro_:

sn9: Looks like channel changing *does* work, but I need a new lineup for firewire, it didn't like the tweaking I made to my QAM setup applied to it

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iamlindoro_:

is kpix hd 705 or so? I think I had it go wrong on that one

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sn9:

yes, kpix-hd is 705, and channel numbers have zero to do with the qam lineup you made

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sn9:

unlike that lineup, you can d/l the one you need now directly from SD

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iamlindoro_:

sn9: Well, that lineup was sort a smidge of column A, a smidge of column-B... I can get 705 via QAM, so no matter

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iamlindoro_:

mmm, digitally

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Freman:

Hey guys

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iamlindoro_:

What brings ya in off the sietch?

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** iamlindoro_ kicks himself for making a Dune joke **

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** Freman kicks iamlindoro_ for making Dune joke **

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Freman:

I'm forced to use an ATI video card – it's jerky like it's dropping frames when watching livetv.

[01:33:22]

Freman:

Does anyone know how to resolve this?

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iamlindoro_:

hey, nobody gave you permissin, pal

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iamlindoro_:

er permission

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iamlindoro_:

Freman: Which drivers are you using?

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iamlindoro_:

prepare for a response that involves switching to whichever you don't use and trying that :)

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iamlindoro_:

followed by a brief diatribe about ATI bad

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iamlindoro_:

aaaaaaand I'm spent

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Freman:

I'm pretty sure it's the binary ati driver

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Freman:

it's fine for pre-recorded but absolutely broken for live-tv

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iamlindoro_:

Well that's odd

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iamlindoro_:

I would suggest that it may not be a GPU issue, then

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iamlindoro_:

*may*

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Freman:

it's a dual core amd64 with 2 gigs of ram, more then twice the power of my nvidia system...

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iamlindoro_:

Not saying it's too slow

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Freman:

(well twice the combined power (c:)

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Freman:

I had the same problem with my nvidia system when it was ati based, just I had the opertunity to burn the ati and plop the nvidia

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Freman:

in

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Freman:

but this new box just doesn't have the room and I can't find an nvidia board compatible with the riser socket

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iamlindoro_:

hmmm, there are low-low profile 5200s

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Freman:

I have a 2 pci riser card, with a pair of dual tuners on it

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Freman:

there is no pcie slot availible on the back of the case

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Freman:

we're relying on boards with built in gpus

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iamlindoro_:

Holy. Shit. Everyone should get video via firewire!! People should be suing for this.

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Freman:

huh?

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iamlindoro_:

Freman: Not speaking to you

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iamlindoro_:

There were onversations going on before you got here ;)

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iamlindoro_:

er conversations

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xris:

iamlindoro: conversation usually requires more than one person... :)

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iamlindoro_:

xris: Ok, there were *monologues* going on. Happy?

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xris:

:)

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bsdfox_:

iamlindoro: yeah I read that they have to provide firewire out for some reason

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iamlindoro_:

bsdfox_: Yeah, but usually only locals... And you're awful close tooo

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orionr:

Hey, for some reason my tv remote has the wrong buttons mapped out on it.

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iamlindoro_:

bsdfox_: I just found that Comcast SJ has everything open in Firewire

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clever:

iamlindoro_: certain laws force the cable companys to give public channels unencrypted over firewire

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iamlindoro_:

clever: I'm aware, but they're NOT forced to give me Discovery HD, HBOHD, etc.

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clever:

iamlindoro_: but the reason i cant do it is because my current box lacks a fw port and the newer box we would have to rent

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iamlindoro_:

And *that* is the surprise

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bsdfox_:

clever: take it apart

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bsdfox_:

I bet there's a firewire header :)

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iamlindoro_:

Including all my SD channels, Comedy Central, etc

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clever:

you should still be able to view them over normal tv

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clever:

bsdfox_: the dct2000?

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clever:

bsdfox_: theres no popout blanks in the back for a fw port

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bsdfox_:

clever: you'd be surprised what's inside one of those cable boxes :P

[01:47:15]

clever:

like you might normaly see on a cover for a desktop pc motherboard

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clever:

id probly blow the warrenty at the same time:P

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clever:

and the screws arent standard

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bsdfox_:

I bought some 5 port routers with a hidden usb header

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bsdfox_:

200mhz ARM processors running linux :P $6/ea

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clever:

some routers have usb support in the main microcontroler

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bsdfox_:

I've just gotta figure out how to put my own uClinux on it

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clever:

and just have the xtal and port missing

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clever:

my 400mhz is transcoding at 7fps

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bsdfox_:

:)

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clever:

you could make a rack of 3fps transcoding boxes with myth!

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clever:

damn slow but cheap to paralel

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iamlindoro_:

sn9, is the 5C on History, or History HD?

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bsdfox_:

my backend is a p2/450 right now.. sucks

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bsdfox_:

and my home network is only 100mbit right now so I use all my bandwidth running transcode and commflag jobs on other machines

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clever:

bsdfox_: though my newest laptop is making 121fps and 92fps

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clever:

bsdfox_: dual core == w00t!

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clever:

bsdfox_: i dont have hd

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bsdfox_:

I'm thinking about putting my xen server in between it and run the master backend in a domU

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clever:

i can stream 5 SD recordings out to frontends WHILE playing&recording on the master

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clever:

with 2 of the frontends nfsrooting off the master

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bsdfox_:

clever: I've got 3 core2duos but they're all in use..

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clever:

i setup my nfsroot to be able to share

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clever:

and run as a slave backend to trans/flag

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bsdfox_:

how fast is your backend

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clever:

so i can borrow dads core2duo for work

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clever:

netboot it

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clever:

now i got a damn fast transcoder!

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clever:

master backend is 1.6ghz p4

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clever:

its still set to never flag/trans(was to give framegrabber room to breath)

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bsdfox_:

I was using an a64 3200+ as my backend and everything was good but I needed that for another project

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clever:

my current setup

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clever:

the master is only for a tvout frontend and recording

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clever:

every other myth system runs mythbackend purely to handle trans/flag and some of them mythfrontend

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bsdfox_:

do you like that setup?

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clever:

im able to transcode 5 recordings at once

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bsdfox_:

you don't run out of bandwidth running commflags on remote machines?

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clever:

i was able to stream 5 shows out to every single frontend in the house at once

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clever:

without even hitting 50% of the ethernet

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bsdfox_:

playing shows uses a lot less bandwidth than commflagging

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clever:

yeah

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bsdfox_:

I hit 7mbyte/s for 1 commflag job

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: And a good network switch helps too I'm sure... don't try that with just a hub...

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clever:

flaging can go higher then realtime

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: my hub is 10mbit

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Freman:

I think I've solved my problem – order the damn nvidia board we want, use flexible riser cards

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clever:

i tried netbooting 2 laptops off the hub to split a cable

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bsdfox_:

lol I flag at like 250fps

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clever:

painfully sslow

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clever:

and tons of colisions

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bsdfox_:

hubs are obsolete

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clever:

i have a 12 port cisco switch at the center of my house

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clever:

nearly every pc has its own port

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clever:

except in my bedroom

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bsdfox_:

I have 5 24 port 3com 10/100 switches I got for free :P

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clever:

2 laptops and the media desktop feed into a spare router

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clever:

which feeds into the switch

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bsdfox_:

they're loud though so I only use one in my basement right now

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: what? 10Mb? Yeah... My house is Cat5e, currently on a Cisco 2950 100Mb switch, soon to be on Gigabit switches. (although the only 2 machines that currently have gigabit are my M$ desktop and my Myth backend)

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clever:

the cisco switch is mounted between the studs in a wall in the furnace room

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clever:

only 1 system here handles gigabit

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clever:

the dualcore laptop

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clever:

18fps 8fps 63fps 102fps 96fps is the speed of my current transcode jobs

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bsdfox_:

I got a couple dell optiplex mobos for free too but they're s478.. they're gigabit though

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bsdfox_:

I just need a cpu and I'll build a new backend

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clever:

im considering putting the frame grabber back in my master

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clever:

to be able to record 2 at once

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clever:

but then id loose the ability to play shows on that system whenever i want

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clever:

and im still not shure how id handle ir blasting 2 boxes at once

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bsdfox_:

why would you ir blast 2 boxes at the same time

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clever:

2 capture cards

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clever:

2 boxes to do the tuning

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clever:

1 motherboard

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clever:

2 transcode just finished up:D

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clever:

saved a gig total

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Freman:

I've got 2 dual tuner cards in 1 box

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** Freman shrugs **

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clever:

Freman: yeah but the tuner in the cards suck

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clever:

so im using an external tuner

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bsdfox_:

hmm, I don't have any cable boxes on my setup right now

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clever:

which also exposes the digital channels

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bsdfox_:

still have analog :\

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Freman:

these ones are generally as stable as the hdtv tuner box I had

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clever:

the image quality is poor on the pvr150 tuner

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bsdfox_:

try another cable

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clever:

and i remember it being horid on the frame grabber when i used it on win98 ages ago

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Freman:

I'm using dvico hdtv cards clever

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bsdfox_:

I fought poor quality on a pvr250 for 6 months

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bsdfox_:

put a new coax cable on and it was all good

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Freman:

foxtel keep visiting – I tell them when they can sell me a cam I'll subscribe, I will not use their effing tuner box

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clever:

the quality is great when using the external tuner

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clever:

i could hookup the coax signal amp

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** clever goes to dig it out **

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Freman:

I go to a mates place they've got 2 hdtv set top boxes, a vcr, a dvd player, a dvd/hdd recorder, and probably a few things I've probably forgotten... I just have a mythtv box (c:

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iamlindoro_:

sn9: My MIA channels are KPIX-HD, A&EHD, TBSHD, and StarzHD... no big deal!

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rooaus:

Freman: Which cards you using (thinking about building another box)?

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mzb_d800:

i have both a PCI and external USB2 tuner ... picture off either is identical

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mzb_d800:

(DVB-T)

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clever:

cant find the coax amp

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: You'll have to 'coax' it out of hiding... har har...

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clever:

;p

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: Yeah, I wanted to steer clear of the USB/External tuners. Last I heard the dvico 4 had drivers issues etc. Someone said the other day that there are no pci-e tuners supported yetbut I haven't looked into it seriously yet.

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Freman:

rooaus: DViCO Dual HDTV DVB-T tuner cards

[02:14:09]

Freman:

wait till the v4l mob get the pci-express versions working tho, they you can have quad (c:

[02:15:15]

rooaus:

Freman: Yeah, no great rush atm. Although I will be receiving a huge chunk of backpay this month (goes back 3 years) :)

[02:15:40]

Freman:

meh

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Freman:

I'm waiting for my severence, 2 weeks leiu, long service leave, holiday pay, etc from my last job )c:

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** J-e-f-f-A almost bought a new motherboard the other day with 4xpci, 2xPCIx x1 and 1xPCIx x16... and 6 sata.... ;-) almost... **

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clever:

no pcie ports here

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clever:

but i do have mini-pcie on a laptop

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code-r:

what is the port that myth is sopposed to run pon 6543 ?

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code-r:

?

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: it was the analog feed of history; digital "history int'l" was clear

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gnassas:

anyone around?

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J-e-f-f-A:

code-r: 6544

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J-e-f-f-A:

gnassas: nope.

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J-e-f-f-A:

gnassas: 'anyone' left about 5 minutes ago... ;-)

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gnassas:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

code-r: Actually, I think the backend runs on 6543, you can get an http status on 6544... ie: http://localhost:6544 (assuming you're on your backend...)

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jhulst:

J-e-f-f-A: Guess he thought you were serious :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

jhulst: rotfl! ha!

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overridex:

hey guys... quick question, been a few years since i ran mythtv – is there a way to toggle between full screen and windowed without restarting the frontend yet?

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

You can start the frontend in windowed mode

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GreyFoxx:

but you can't "toggle" it live

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overridex:

right, just a bummer to have to close it and reopen it when you want to switch

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GreyFoxx:

maybe one day smoeone will work on that and or live dynamic resizing

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GreyFoxx:

More likely with the windows port going on

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clever:

GreyFoxx: compiz can resize a window on the fly i think

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clever:

GreyFoxx: it would just scale the window to the requested size in the gpu

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GreyFoxx:

clever: It would have to, since myth wont do it

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clever:

no idea how to activate it though

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clever:

but it can do it to any window i beleive

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: For UPnP, what would it take to make the "|<" (previous) and "|>" (next) buttons jump to the next cut point?, or even do the "Jump ahead/Jump back" functionality? Is it alot of work?

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clever:

ive seen a tweak to upnp which outputs a playlist

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clever:

and each item in the playlist is a chunk of the show or a chunk of comercials

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clever:

'skiping' to the next item in the playlist would jump to the end of a show/com block

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Humm... in Myth, or externally? (Haven't seen it in svn commits)

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clever:

i think i heard of it in trac on one of the tickets

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clever:

but i forget where

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GreyFoxx:

je-f: That jumping around isn't really a myth control thing

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clever:

would have to search

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GreyFoxx:

It's potentially possible to "fake" commercial cutting with playlist type stuff like clever mantioned

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overridex:

clever: hmm.

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overridex:

i'll have to look into that i suppose, i run compiz anyway

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GreyFoxx:

but the server can't control how the player jumps forward or back

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clever:

overridex: it might not work for fullscreen but you could shrink a near full screen window down with it

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overridex:

clever: right, that'd be fine

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clever:

ask the compiz channel for more into then:)

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overridex:

clever: already there and asking :)

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clever:

:D

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overridex:

clever: been curious about something like that anyway for a 800x600 game that doesn't scale to my widescreen very well

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clever:

ive only had compiz work on 2 laptops

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clever:

both of which are now netbooting and compiz isnt working for some reason

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overridex:

clever: ah ha

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clever:

i was sticking my olddell laptop drive in the newer laptop

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overridex:

clever: for anyone who wants to know... it's under resize, in the keybindings there's one for "initiate stretch resize"

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clever:

but smart now claims the drive has 24 hours to live

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clever:

and the journal log was failing to sync causing it to go ro

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overridex:

so i set it to super+middle mouse button to drag a window to stretch it :)

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overridex:

ah that's no good

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clever:

i have the super(winblows) key set to one of the main gnome menu's

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overridex:

now, the question is how well that stretch will work with mythtv's video...

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clever:

xvideo is used to give the player its own 'screen'

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clever:

so right after 1 line is the next

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clever:

without having to wrap it at some random offset from the next line

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clever:

compiz and i think vista both do that on a per window basis

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clever:

so every single window has its own private 'screen' which the gpu then renders in overlaping layers

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clever:

without xvideo and all the other fun stuff

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clever:

every line needs to be broken up

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clever:

and placed at the right offset from the start of the line its on in the screen

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clever:

if the window is 50% of the width of the screen then you may interlace the lines as ==__==__==__ in the raw video ram(== being image and __ left alone)

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clever:

with xv the image goes right into a private chunk of ram as 1111222233334444(each row one right after another)

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clever:

compiz i think does that in an abnormal way(without the xserver totaly agreeing) so normal redraws feel slower and are sometimes droped

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bsdfox_:

fwiw I've got compiz enabled on one of my frontends (for absolutely no reason) and it works fine

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blkorpheus:

where do I set autotranscoding up?

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blkorpheus:

the frontor backend?

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overridex:

bsdfox_: yeah i'm just wondering what'll happen when i scale the window... it should be fine though, i scale other xv windows fine so...

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overridex:

(with the scale plugin that is)

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clever:

blkorpheus: frontend->setup->tv->record profiles

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clever:

blkorpheus: enable autotranscode for one of the recording profiles

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clever:

then in the rule for a show also enable auto transcode under post processing and pick a transcode profile

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clever:

the one under the record rule is ignored if the main recording profile(for the card) doesnt allow auto transcoding

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clever:

the record profiles and rules are a global thing so they can be changed from any frontend

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overridex:

ah... what i thought would do it doesn't work on non-resizeable windows, and only scales till you stop resizing :|

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QCJN:

hi, i have chatzilla, and i was wondering if i can save this room, like a favorite ??

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clever:

overridex: i think the compiz window scaling can be forced onto any window(resizable or not)

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clever:

overridex: so you could shrink a spreadsheet window(font size and all) without resizing and messing up the placement of some onscreen scrolling

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overridex:

clever: yeah, i think so too, just have to find out how...

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clever:

some programs react badly to being shrunk to the size of a dime

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clever:

the desktop on winblows for example crushes all your pretty icon layout into a corner if you even think of trying 640x480 out!

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clever:

often even if a fullscreen game was running at a 'low' res

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overridex:

clever: hehe yep

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clever:

i had a plugin to save/restore that at one point

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clever:

but i could never refind it after a format i went thru

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clever:

even with the whole old 'root' backed up

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overridex:

:(

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clever:

but i rarely even need a desktop with linux

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clever:

i can work so much faster in a termial

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clever:

you use any windows debuger programs?

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QCJN:

hi, is mythtv only for linux distribution???

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overridex:

i don't use windows very often, i do at work but the only programming i do is for vxworks and linux so :)

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QCJN:

i,ve installed ubuntu on my computer, but it s really difficult for me

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QCJN:

especially when it comes to fonfigurations

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QCJN:

configurations

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blkorpheus:

clever, thank you

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clever:

QCJN: a windows version is being worked on but its a long way from being able to record i beleive

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clever:

QCJN: most it can do id think is playback files from a linux system that recorded

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clever:

when it isnt crashing

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QCJN:

because i ve just installed a wintv pvr 150, and for now all the programs i ve tried isnt working so good on my computer

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QCJN:

beyondtv, sauge, media portal

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clever:

the pvr150 card works great for me under mythtv+ubuntu

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clever:

much better then the bt848 video highway extreme card i had before

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QCJN:

i m not good enough on ubuntu ton install and configure these kind of applications

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fenriz_:

pvr150 works good here too have run it under both ubuntu & gentoo

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clever:

theres also distro's myht mythubuntu and friends which do 90% of the work on its own

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clever:

myht==like

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clever:

typing faster then i can think sometimes:P

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QCJN:

it s called mythubuntu

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clever:

'myht mythubuntu

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clever:

'

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arak:

would anyone know why audio does not work on mkv files, but video does?

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clever:

should have been 'like mythubuntu'

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QCJN:

myht mythubuntu

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clever:

i typed faster then i could think:P

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QCJN:

is it on the mythtv.org site

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clever:

i think they have there own site

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fenriz_:

#ubuntu-mythtv

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QCJN:

do you know if i can keep an irc room in a favorite "kind of " in chatzilla

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arak:

could anyone assist me with an mkv problem? I checked the mailinglist archive and i didn't see anything there

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hachi:

so... setting up lirc on debian the debian way just sucks, right?

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orionr:

hachi: i just used the mythbuntu-config-centre and that worked fine for lirc

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hachi:

isn't that ubuntu?

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hachi:

I don't even know what that is really... no matches on google

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hachi:

well, one match

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hachi:

doesn't really say what it is or where it comes from

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hachi:

is it some sort of package that I could just install on my debian box and it'll work anyways, or is that a fully build distro based on ubuntu?

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TrickFinlay2:

has anyone had issues with mkv files?

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iamlindoro_:

Don't use internal to play MKV, it doesn't work properly. Use mplayer.

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iamlindoro_:

It plays (and seeks) mkv fine

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TrickFinlay2:

iamlindoro i was having issues with xine

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iamlindoro_:

Don't use Xine. Use mplayer

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TrickFinlay2:

hmm ill check that out

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TrickFinlay2:

any reason why xine > mplayer

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TrickFinlay2:

or vlc even

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iamlindoro_:

mplayer plays more formats, and more maturely, than any player.

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TrickFinlay2:

alright thanks

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TrickFinlay2:

ill look into that

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hachi:

orionr: so, your suggestion has nothing to do with my problem because it's not debian...

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iamlindoro_:

Gah, mythbusters on Discovery HD looks like blown-up crap... *not* a 1080i source

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EnderTheThird:

that's the problem with those pricks like DirecTV touting 100 HD channels... some of those channels only broadcast like 3 shows in HD

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EnderTheThird:

And some of the channels they do in HD anyway..... yay, the House of Commons in HD, woo!!! (not sure if they have that one, but i would totally watch it, haha)

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: It probably looks about 50x better than the less than SD crap I get over comcast digital ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Tanthrix: I'll give ya that

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EnderTheThird:

and the analog crap i get with Buckeye Cable

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Tanthrix:

Really though, it's a problem with the channels, and not the cable/satellite co

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iamlindoro_:

Tanthrix: Although, my discovery of the day is (after getting a new HD box) My *entire* lineup minus about three channels is open via firewire

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Tanthrix:

A lot of stuff made and continuing to be made in SD

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iamlindoro_:

Tanthrix: And that's with Comcrap

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EnderTheThird:

tanthrix: definitely. i don't quite expect them to go touting that those channels only broadcast 4 HD shows, but it doesn't hose the uninformed consumer

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Nice. I had that for about 6 months, but they finally started locking things down.

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Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: None of them can tell the difference anyway, so they'll be happy ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Tanthrix: Was expecting nothing at all, but all the local anecdotes about getting lots convinced me

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iamlindoro_:

And failing that... there's mkrufky's announcement today :)

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iamlindoro_:

:)

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iamlindoro_:

:)

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Tanthrix:

Announcement?

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EnderTheThird:

I should contact my provider to see if their boxes do that, but most of the reps i've talked to don't know a damned thing

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iamlindoro_:

Hauppauge, new component capture device, 1080i hardware compression to x264

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iamlindoro_:

bam!

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Tanthrix:

You're kidding!

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iamlindoro_:

AND... he's writing the linux driver

[04:09:21]

Tanthrix:

Fucking awesome!

[04:09:32]

Tanthrix:

I am buying that the second it comes out and is supported well

[04:09:35]

iamlindoro_:

http://newsticker.welt.de/index.php?channel=f . . . mp;id=657864

[04:09:42]

iamlindoro_:

That's badly formatted, but it's the press release

[04:09:57]

EnderTheThird:

Tanthrix: the customers not knowing the difference... reminds me of the other day when someone looked at our lobby computer at work and asked if it was Vista (it's Ubuntu 7.10).

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EnderTheThird:

Wonder how much that puppy will cost though, heh.

[04:10:16]

iamlindoro_:

I'm buying one the second it's out just in case someone decides to go medieval on them

[04:10:18]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: You don't know how happy that makes me.

[04:10:19]

iamlindoro_:

250

[04:10:22]

iamlindoro_:

$

[04:10:35]

iamlindoro_:

Tanthrix: Oh, BELIEVE me, I do :)

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EnderTheThird:

Hmmmm, that's not horrible.

[04:10:38]

Tanthrix:

I was actually just thinking about writing Hauppuage the other day about that

[04:10:55]

Tanthrix:

To tell them that I'd pay probably $300 for a good component HD hardware encoder

[04:11:32]

TrickFinlay2:

iamlindoro, is there a way to add real time priority to mplayer?

[04:11:35]

iamlindoro_:

I think it's the biggest news to myth users in a LONG time, personally

[04:11:45]

iamlindoro_:

TrickFinlay2: Dunno, check mplayer-users/dev

[04:12:00]

Tanthrix:

I'm going to try and not get my hopes up – lot of things could make it suck.

[04:12:12]

iamlindoro_:

Per mkrufky, there's no evil gotchas

[04:12:21]

iamlindoro_:

it's do up to 1080i at 15 Mbit/s

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Tanthrix:

Instability or bad quality encoding I mean, nothing of that nature

[04:12:25]

EnderTheThird:

Does get pricey when you start to think that you have to pay for the STB rental too... but AFAIK, that's the only option we have for premium HD if the STB doesn't output firewire.

[04:12:44]

Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: Aye. It's the *only* reliable option.

[04:13:13]

jamesd:

okay i figure the answer is no, but i will ask... is a p3 600 with 512MB of ram and a s3 trio 64 on board video enough to play digital tv from a back end? and is there a way to easily resize the video so iits stored in a lower res for this machine?

[04:13:22]

Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: What's good though is that Comcast offers an HD tuner for like $6 a month, as opposed to double that for big, bloated, power hungry PVR box

[04:13:39]

iamlindoro_:

jamesd, SD, probably yes... HD, not a chance

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** J-e-f-f-A wonders if it will preserve the digital audio too... **

[04:13:42]

EnderTheThird:

Yeah. It does kinda hurt that my "excuse" for buying all this hardware for my 2nd computer was to save me $$ on a cable DVR service. Shelling out for stuff like that completely hoses my logic, haha

[04:13:49]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Yes, optical in and passthrough

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** J-e-f-f-A drools... **

[04:14:07]

iamlindoro_:

yeah, no shit!

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iamlindoro_:

I'm buying one before Comcast sends people to break knees

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** J-e-f-f-A paid almost $250 for his HD-3000 a few days before the 'broadcast flag' was supposed to go live... **

[04:14:25]

EnderTheThird:

Haha

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jamesd:

iamlindoro, is a cheap pci nvidia card enough to make it happy... i'm thinking $20 max for the video card on ebay...

[04:14:39]

EnderTheThird:

I hope the drivers make it so I can use it, heh.

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iamlindoro_:

jamesd: No, not for HD... You need 2.4 Ghzish P4 or better on the processor side

[04:15:11]

iamlindoro_:

Any core 2 or dual core AMD would be fine, but nothing single core under a Ghz for HD

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jamesd:

iamlindoro, just to display? i have more than enough power on the backend.. dual core 2.4 ghz with 4GB of ram...

[04:15:28]

iamlindoro_:

Backend doesn't do ANYthing in video playback

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Tanthrix:

jamesd: I'd doubt it. It's probably not worth the pain and suffering. But yes, the backend can be made to transcode your video to a lower resolution which might make it more feasible.

[04:15:33]

iamlindoro_:

all the work in myth is done by the frontend

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EnderTheThird:

jamesd: FE still does all the work when playing back

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EnderTheThird:

jamesd: you might be able to cut down on hardware by doing xV, but i'm not sure by how much

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iamlindoro_:

Swap your frontend and backend machines, that will work fine

[04:16:34]

iamlindoro_:

Tons of low end machines can record HD easily... playback takes the horsepower

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Tanthrix:

Was just going to recommend that myself

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J-e-f-f-A:

jamesd: I was able to play 720p barely with a PIII 1Ghz, 512mb ram, and an Nvidia 5500 card using XVMC... But it did stutter badly while the OSD was onscreen...

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EnderTheThird:

only thing that really hogs BE hardware is commflag

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EnderTheThird:

so you don't need a beefy BE unless you want commflag in realtime

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** iamlindoro_ poises to use his newfound firewireyness the next time Universal HD plays Firefly **

[04:18:18]

EnderTheThird:

oh Firefly in HD, i miss that

[04:18:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

... or have lots of tuners... ;-) (I have 3 analog & 2 Digital...)

[04:18:36]

EnderTheThird:

I had premium HD at my old place, but that was when i had money while on co-op, heh

[04:19:04]

EnderTheThird:

j-e-f-f-a: 2 analog (hardware, pvr 500) and 2 digital (HDHR) here

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iamlindoro_:

Heh... have been getting network HD for a good long time, but didn't think I would *ever* get discovery HD and the like... I am extremely pleasantly surprised... and if CC decides to screw me... well, Hauppauge is getting my money anyway :)

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: I am going to hold you personally responsible if this HD hardware encoder doesn't pan out. I may have to kill you if something ends up not working with it, since I am doing a freaking dance over here right now.

[04:19:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

EnderTheThird: Almost the same for me – PVR-500, PVR-250, HD3000 and HD5500 now...

[04:19:54]

iamlindoro_:

Tanthrix: That was me, *at work* today when he announced it :)

[04:20:05]

iamlindoro_:

Q1 08!!!

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro_'s totally getting lynched if that thing doesn't fly well, heh

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funda3:

by how much does finetune: 1 change the frequency in tvtime? I would like to export some kind of a frequency table if possible

[04:20:50]

iamlindoro_:

Hey don't kill the messenger.. and now is the time for rejoicing... lynch later

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro_: totally agreed

[04:21:13]

iamlindoro_:

I definitely shrieked like a girl at work

[04:21:22]

iamlindoro_:

about a capture card. I am lame

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EnderTheThird:

i really missed Discovery HD a lot until i discovered PBS HD. Oh Nova, how you soothe me.

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iamlindoro_:

PBS does have a lot of great stuff in HD for sure

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Tanthrix:

PBS is where it's at.

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** jamesd debates buying a case, psu, amd 939 motherboard, and ram for a opteron 2.6ghz cpu i have sitting on a shelf... guess i may save a few bucks... over a new amd am2 box complete... but probably best to leave the optern on the shelf... **

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J-e-f-f-A:

EnderTheThird: I get PBS HD for free... OTA ATSC... channel 2.2 ;-)

[04:22:01]

iamlindoro_:

Except you'd never know about it

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EnderTheThird:

j-e-f-f-a: same here. I love it!

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EnderTheThird:

well, i do pay for network over cable, but i might as well pay $13 for that or i pay an extra $10/mo. for cable modem for not being a cable subscriber. :-/

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro_: Where's the annoucement you read earlier?

[04:23:06]

iamlindoro_:

linked about 50 lines back

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iamlindoro_:

http://newsticker.welt.de/index.php?channel=f . . . mp;id=657864

[04:23:27]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: I mean the part about mrfurkey working on the drivers

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iamlindoro_:

go to the log for today

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jamesd:

J-e-f-f-A, in milwaukee we have 9 digital pbs stations, though only 4 have shows the others are weather radar + music or audio content.. and they also have 2 analog as well that don't show the same stuff as digital concurrently

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EnderTheThird:

i think the best PBS special i've seen was the one about intelligent design on trial

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** J-e-f-f-A has to upgrade his monitors... all but one are 4:3... But the biggest is a 37" 4:3 MONITOR – that's right – only 1024x768, but looks quite stunning... Much clearer than a standard TV... **

[04:23:56]

iamlindoro_:

search for 1080i, and you should find it pretty quick... about 1:30 PM PST today

[04:24:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

jamesd: There's two channels here in Boston, with a few sub-channels. 2–1, 2–2 and 44–1 thru 44–4, so that makes 6 total..

[04:25:16]

EnderTheThird:

1024x768 on a 37"? hmmm

[04:26:03]

cout:

when I press the fast forward key to skip forward 30 seconds, the green bar skips to the end of the recording, and playback goes back to the beginning. if I press rewind to skip backward, playback exits. FF/REW was working just fine last week. I think something got messed up somewhere, but I don't know what. any ideas?

[04:26:13]

EnderTheThird:

i've been tempted to set up a twinview here, but then i'd need a new desk, haha

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J-e-f-f-A:

It's a Mitusubishi MegaView Plus 37 ... made about 10 years ago... I got two of them when my old company upgraded to 40" LCDs...

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jamesd:

my father in law used to run 640x480 on a 24" crt.. and not even for tV use, but for windows... i thiink he was gojng blind.

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EnderTheThird:

cout: doublecheck your keyboard shortcuts in setup? or reset them to defaults if you're not sure

[04:27:18]

EnderTheThird:

jamesd: when setting up Myth on my cousins 32 or 36" CRT, i almost went blind when i was trying to read the IP from ifconfig

[04:27:28]

EnderTheThird:

*cousin's

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iamlindoro_:

cout: I have seen a similar issue when someone changes the mpeg library from standard to libmpeg2 or vice-versa

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J-e-f-f-A:

EnderTheThird: These have VGA inputs... and scan to 1024x768, although it's a little blurry there. It's pretty clear at 800x600...

[04:28:32]

EnderTheThird:

ooooh, the hauppage encoder will even let you do BR stuff. rock on. Granted I don't have a BR drive or player, but still nice

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** Tanthrix posts this great news to slashdot **

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iamlindoro_:

Engadget is at CES, I asked them to go to the Hauppauge booth and cover it

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cout:

iamlindoro: that's exactly what I did

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cout:

iamlindoro: but I changed it back to standard and it didn't fix the problem :(

[04:29:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

Can they get us some samples? ;-)

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cout:

libmpeg2 is a LOT faster

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iamlindoro_:

s/get/steal

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cout:

which is weird... I recompiled about a month ago and standard got really jumpy to where I can't watch an SD program at all

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J-e-f-f-A:

cout: Do you mean interlace flicker?

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** iamlindoro_ contemplates taking his other box back for another firewire-capable one **

[04:31:46]

EnderTheThird:

http://mythtvnews.com/ there's a post at top there about fixing the seektable of a recording.

[04:32:03]

cout:

jeffa: no, I mean every few minutes the program just stops for a few seconds then keeps going

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cout:

jeffa: and the CPU is pegged the entire time it's playing back

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J-e-f-f-A:

cout: Because in the SVN version, you can set different deinterlace methods for different resolutions... humm... I think I remember seeing some buffering fixes recently...

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J-e-f-f-A:

cout: Did you access the mythweb 'recorded programs' page?

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cout:

jeffa: I have it set the same for all resolutions

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cout:

jeffa: yes, why?

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J-e-f-f-A:

cout: There's a bug with the image previews that causes the backend to loop. I don't think it's fixed yet. I just temporarily commented out the <img /img> statement in the mythweb code to supress them for now.

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: That bug is a *pain* in the ass

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J-e-f-f-A:

cout: As an added benefit, my recorded programs page now loads in about 5 seconds, even with 300+ programs...

[04:34:55]

cout:

ender: Left (REW) is set to SEEKRWND and Right (FF) is set to SEEKFFWD

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: And its so freakin RANDOM

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cout:

jeffa: it's the frontend that's eating the cpu, not the backend

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: ive been totaly ignoring the mythweb because of that preview bug

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: my backend sucks tons of sys% usage

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clever:

even when images in browser are disabled!

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Catty2:

man i cant wait to get my hardware and get my box set up :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

cout: Well, if you access that mythweb page, it will push your backend to the top of the list... ;-)

[04:36:16]

cout:

I don't see any preview images on the recorded programs page

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J-e-f-f-A:

cout: Yeah, but I'll bet your cpu utilization is at 100% now... And most of it will be mythbackend...

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Catty2:

if you are going to use two hard drives, is there any special setup involved if i use knoppmyth?

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cout:

I'm at revision 15176, which was mid-december

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cout:

I don't see that problem

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J-e-f-f-A:

cout: Humm... it might not be in that version — I think it's a newer bug than mid-december... Ok...

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cout:

anyway, that's not the cause of my rew/ff problem

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: I'm watching the commits hoping a fix is in the works... I know it's got xris thinking – he hasn't found it yeat as far as I know...

[04:39:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

... yet even...

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cout:

ender: checking the link out now

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clever:

:(

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cout:

nice to know about that hard drive

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clever:

i think its related to the new upnp preview generation abilities

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: I just edited the php page and commented out the "<img" link and replaced it with "N/A" for now... And like I said, I like it better since the page loads in seconds instead of at least 20–30 secs with the previews (when it was working right)

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iamlindoro_:

Particularly sucks because I like to access mythweb from work and stream The daily show in the morning w/ my officemates

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Catty2:

anyone know?

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: i disabled images in the entire browser and reloaded the recording list

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: and even that triggred the bug

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cout:

btw, I can seek just fine if I watch the recording with mplayer

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: ^^^ See the message I sent clever above...

[04:41:12]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, I saw, I'll try that, thanks

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clever:

iamlindoro_: i cant upload fast enough to realtime stream

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: yeah, I think that's because the PHP code is still signalling the backend to create the images...

[04:41:37]

clever:

iamlindoro_: and nuv files make ffmpeg segfault

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iamlindoro_:

clever: Not even at the mythweb flash player speed? It's *tiny*

[04:41:54]

clever:

iamlindoro_: 50kb/sec is my upload

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iamlindoro_:

clever: Ah, well that's a different issue :)

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clever:

iamlindoro_: the bigger problem is that mythweb is hosted off my laptop

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cout:

ah, interesting

[04:42:13]

clever:

iamlindoro_: which is what i normaly take with me when leaving

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cout:

Table './mythconverg/recordedseek' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

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** J-e-f-f-A misses MythStreamTV... I hope to implement something similar soon... ;-) **

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iamlindoro_:

clever: Puts a stop to things right quick ;)

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Catty2:

whats mythstreamtv?

[04:42:37]

EnderTheThird:

http://www.digg.com/hardware/Hauppauge_HD_PVR . . . ware_Encoder if you guys wanna Digg that story (not trying to be a Digg whore or anything)

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clever:

iamlindoro_: i haxed the mythweb to bypass the segfaulting ffmpeg

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iamlindoro_:

clever: You ought to submit a patch

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clever:

iamlindoro_: mencoder converts the nuv to RAW avi(totaly decompressed)

[04:43:09]

iamlindoro_:

if nothing else, it'll get 'em thinking

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clever:

iamlindoro_: that outputs to a staticly named fifo(which isnt automaticaly made)

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J-e-f-f-A:

cout: You're running SVN, right? See if Mythweb's configuration screen has the "Database" page... there's a repair function in there...

[04:43:27]

clever:

iamlindoro_: ffmpeg then encodes that back to flv

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clever:

iamlindoro_: i gave it to xris awhile ago and he said he wasnt accepting patches on a half working player that was meant only to serve as a test/demo/example

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cout:

jeffa: oh, I was just going to use the command line to do it

[04:44:08]

iamlindoro_:

clever: Ah, I see

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J-e-f-f-A:

cout: They've made it easier... ;-)

[04:44:20]

clever:

iamlindoro_: seeking doesnt work to begin with

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clever:

iamlindoro_: and my patch needs ffmpeg AND mencoder to be installed

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clever:

and something is wrong since mplayer/mencoder/mythtv are all based on ffmpeg

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clever:

yet ffmpeg is the one to segfault on the nuv files!

[04:45:10]

iamlindoro_:

well, mplayer more loosely so, and all on different revisions

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** J-e-f-f-A doesn't have nuv files... ;-) **

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cout:

jeffa: I don't see it in there

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: mythtranscode still outputs nuv's!

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: im able to cut my pvr-150 files in half but they return to nuv form

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cout:

jeffa: hard to be easier than "repair table recordedseek"

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J-e-f-f-A:

cout: Ok, it's proabaly in the newer ones... Or maybe you didn't move over the new mythweb when you upgraded...

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cout:

I don't think I upgraded mythweb

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cout:

I guess I should

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codeer:

Any one here run nvidia tv out

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: cant mix protocol versions between any myth prog

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hachi:

hey thanks lirc: BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Can you give a line to comment out in recorded.php?

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J-e-f-f-A:

cout: Lots of neat new stuff in there. ;-)

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: if he forgot to upgrade mythweb after a major backend upgrade mythweb would fail to run at all

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codeer:

does nvidia tv out run at 1024x768???

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iamlindoro_:

codeer: No

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iamlindoro_:

Tv-out is 720x480 no matter who makes it

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clever:

codeer: the os side may think its 1024 but the actual output is scaled down to ntsc/pal

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clever:

iamlindoro_: it might be pal he's using:P

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codeer:

no its ntsc

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iamlindoro_:

clever: blah blah x 576 then ;)

[04:48:22]

clever:

or now:P

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clever:

not*

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codeer:

im trying to figure out what settings work best for the nvidia mode

[04:48:33]

codeer:

one website said 1024x768_60 ?!?!?!

[04:48:44]

clever:

iamlindoro_: i found out some info on my pvr150 video artifact

[04:48:51]

iamlindoro_:

codeer: Just 'cause you run a large desktop mode doesn't mean it's geting pumped out at more, just gets scaled

[04:48:57]

clever:

iamlindoro_: its allways about 590 pixels from the left edge

[04:48:59]

iamlindoro_:

clever: Any progress?

[04:49:10]

clever:

iamlindoro_: at 592x480 i get the artifact right on the edge

[04:49:11]

codeer:

iamlindoro, : i know, but what mode gives the best picture

[04:49:20]

clever:

iamlindoro_: which pretty much puts it out of sight

[04:49:27]

iamlindoro_:

codeer: Outputting at output resolution, 720x480

[04:49:54]

codeer:

iamlindoro: so set that to the mode line?

[04:49:57]

iamlindoro_:

clever: It'll work for the moment, I guess

[04:50:04]

clever:

iamlindoro_: also my nvidia underscans some so your 720x480 may not even cover 720x480 on the real screen

[04:50:22]

clever:

iamlindoro_: that bug also leads me to suspect the internals of the card design

[04:50:24]

iamlindoro_:

codeer: Yes, you want a mode line equivalent to the output resolution, it's going to take some tweaking

[04:50:37]

clever:

iamlindoro_: it feels like theres a scratch pad of a certain height/width

[04:50:37]

tjcarter:

hmm, $699 for a 32" 1080p Sharp Aquos

[04:50:41]

clever:

iamlindoro_: and it uses a corner of it for the compression

[04:50:43]

codeer:

ModeLine "800x600" 40.0 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628

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tjcarter:

that's not too shabby.

[04:50:50]

codeer:

so that shoul read 720x480

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: I'm curious how the quality is going to end up with this new card, considering it's encoding analog inputs.

[04:51:00]

tjcarter:

And suggests that I am right to wait until April or so.

[04:51:08]

iamlindoro_:

codeer: There is more the a modeline than the resolution, those other numbers mean something too ya know ;)

[04:51:12]

clever:

iamlindoro_: the height/width of the scratch pad seem fixed and it puts the image in a corner

[04:51:28]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Obviously there will be a reduction, but I'm curious how much, and if it will matter.

[04:51:32]

iamlindoro_:

Tanthrix: Better than encoding SD ones, and that's all I need :)

[04:51:33]

codeer:

iamlindoro, : i know just dont knwo what :-S

[04:51:39]

clever:

iamlindoro_: when you would expect it to just make the scratchpad out of the first w*h*bbp bits of ram

[04:51:42]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: True enough!

[04:51:51]

clever:

iamlindoro_: but the way i suspect its designed may aid in the video compression

[04:51:53]

cout:

codeer: look up the documentation for the TVStandard option

[04:52:05]

** iamlindoro_ 's brain explodes due to information overload **

[04:52:14]

codeer:

and change Modes "720x480" in screen right?

[04:52:19]

clever:

iamlindoro_: each 'cell' on the scratchpad may have a dedicated curcuit to mpeg encode itself in a few clock cycles

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** tjcarter fills iamlindoro's head with mashed potatoes **

[04:52:44]

clever:

iamlindoro_: and hardwiring it to work on a pad of a certain res would simplify the design

[04:52:50]

iamlindoro_:

clever: hmmm... true

[04:53:01]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: It might even be worth it to use it to record digital SD stuff as well, since the resolution can be adjustable on the fly. (IE, the upscaled digital output from your cable box, as opposed to s-video out at 480i to a PVR-150)

[04:53:05]

iamlindoro_:

clever: Any chance you've tried something as simple as changing driver versions (I know you have, stupid question)

[04:53:08]

clever:

then each cell on the scratchpad would be directly linked to a mpeg encoding chunk

[04:53:18]

clever:

and one of the cells is damaged

[04:53:34]

cout:

jeffa: repairing the table then running mythcommflag on the recording fixed the problem

[04:53:35]

iamlindoro_:

clever: Yeah, interesting question... would be interested to swap cards and see what happened

[04:53:37]

clever:

the fact its a verticle line makes me think its a single ROW of cells

[04:53:40]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: That means adding a new feature to myth to specify resolution on a per channel basis, but that's probably not going to be that difficult.

[04:53:46]

clever:

iamlindoro_: i think im on 0.4.10

[04:53:54]

clever:

iamlindoro_: and i cant get any newer versions to build

[04:54:06]

clever:

iamlindoro_: and the card appears to be used, posibly returned for being defective

[04:54:14]

iamlindoro_:

clever: Hmm, interesting... yeah, that's a bit ago IIRC

[04:54:18]

clever:

the store may have tested it at a low res and not noticed it

[04:54:24]

iamlindoro_:

clever: Heh, sounds like fry's to me

[04:54:30]

tjcarter:

Hm, 2x SL-BD's are now down to about $10

[04:54:30]

clever:

fry's?

[04:54:38]

tjcarter:

in single pack, no less

[04:54:41]

iamlindoro_:

Tanthrix: There's a lot of motivation to change things as necessary for that device :)

[04:54:46]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[04:54:52]

** J-e-f-f-A Goodnight... ;-) **

[04:54:53]

clever:

im guessing from the way the defect works

[04:54:57]

tjcarter:

It won't be long before 50 of them can be had for $30

[04:55:10]

** tjcarter gives it 12 months ;) **

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clever:

theres a single row of 'mpeg cells'

[04:55:30]

clever:

and it framegrabs+scales a few rows of pixels into it

[04:55:41]

clever:

then encoders it into a row of mpeg cells/blocks

[04:55:54]

codeer:

ok what does this mean

[04:55:54]

codeer:

II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized AGP GART.

[04:55:54]

codeer:

(EE) NVIDIA(0): Error recovery failed.

[04:55:54]

codeer:

(EE) NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting ***

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tjcarter:

I expect Apple will begin shipping Macs soon with BD combo drives

[04:56:48]

iamlindoro_:

tjcarter: I expect that announcement next week ;)

[04:57:15]

iamlindoro_:

"It's the best superdrive we've ever shipped."

[04:57:22]

tjcarter:

BD + DVD±RW

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clever:

iamlindoro_: now that i think of it the defect may be linked to a certain codec it outputs

[04:57:46]

tjcarter:

iamlindoro: which fully falls within the "well no shit" category

[04:57:58]

iamlindoro_:

It always does when he says that shit

[04:58:05]

tjcarter:

We're announcing the WORST new product we've ever shipped!

[04:58:19]

tjcarter:

I'm already for Keynote Bingo.

[04:58:31]

tjcarter:

New Mac Pro square's already taken.

[04:58:44]

tjcarter:

And you can count on "Boom" and "One more thing"

[04:59:09]

tjcarter:

Comparison of OS X to vista is pretty much a given too, as is discussion of marketshare.

[04:59:11]

iamlindoro_:

Ultramobile seems like a fair bet too

[04:59:22]

tjcarter:

Maybe not

[04:59:30]

tjcarter:

Depends on if Apple's ready to release it.

[04:59:39]

iamlindoro_:

There's just too much noise about it, I think it's reached critical mass

[04:59:39]

tjcarter:

It IS coming, we're pretty sure about that

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psm321:

hi everyone

[05:01:03]

psm321:

my mysqlrepair is stuck on recordedseek (for a lot longer than it normally takes)... any ideas?

[05:01:26]

clever:

could be becase you got 10000 recordings in it!!!

[05:01:58]

** iamlindoro_ goes to find some dinner **

[05:02:07]

psm321:

note the (for a lot longer than it normally takes) part

[05:02:12]

clever:

it has an entry for second in every video

[05:02:26]

clever:

and with my new card it seeto have 2 for every second

[05:02:30]

tjcarter:

No, I don't think Apple will call it a superdrive.

[05:02:39]

tjcarter:

The new superdrive will be a BD burner.

[05:02:47]

psm321:

clever: yeah but ive repaired it before

[05:02:57]

** tjcarter remembers when superdrive was 1.44 MB floppy ;) **

[05:02:58]

clever:

psm321: do a ls -ltrh in the mythconverg folder

[05:03:00]

codeer:

is it soppsed to say (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 720 x 480

[05:03:02]

psm321:

and it doesnt take thais long

[05:03:04]

clever:

psm321: look for the temp file its working on

[05:03:15]

clever:

psm321: compare its size to the recordedseek.MYD

[05:03:22]

psm321:

oh yeah and its not eating disk space like it usually does :)

[05:03:23]

clever:

youll get a rough idea of how much % is done

[05:03:37]

clever:

open another mysql shell and 'show processlist;'

[05:03:44]

clever:

whats the status on the repair?

[05:03:47]

tjcarter:

But you'll bleed for the BD superdrive

[05:03:57]

tjcarter:

because it's still $400 or so.

[05:04:01]

CaptObviousman:

humm

[05:04:07]

tjcarter:

$600 for a 4x

[05:04:15]

CaptObviousman:

why is my screen showing up on my HDTV with a bluish cast?

[05:04:19]

** CaptObviousman is playing with custom modelines **

[05:04:47]

tjcarter:

so is HD-DVD officially deaddead yet?

[05:04:57]

psm321:

clever: the .TMD is the same size as the .MYD and was last modified 20 minutes ago

[05:04:58]

iamlindoro_:

soo close

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tjcarter:

and an equivalent to libdvdcss for BD? ;)

[05:05:40]

psm321:

clever: though oddly, the .MYD was modified 3 minutes before that, and i havent been running myth for like an hour

[05:05:53]

** tjcarter knows it's been defeated, but not if there's a convenient library **

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iamlindoro_:

No library yet, but yes, defeated

[05:06:54]

psm321:

clever: heh i was about to say show processlist only shows the show processlist command, but i just looked up at the other screen and looks like it finished

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psm321:

:)

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clever:

psm321: lol:P

[05:07:14]

tjcarter:

well wtf is Jon Johansen doing, cracking the latest FairPlay? He needs to get busy ;)

[05:07:37]

tjcarter:

actually, he didn't write libdvdcss

[05:08:32]

hachi:

anyone here have a clue how to get lirc modules to compile and insert properly on debian?

[05:08:57]

hachi:

been dicking around with this for days, nobody on the planet seems to build lirc

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codeer:

arg

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** codeer hates modelines **

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** CaptObviousman does too **

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CaptObviousman:

WHY THE HELL IS THIS SCREEN LOOKING PURPLE

[05:12:11]

defendguin:

i've got a problem my cable provider changed the channel lineup schedules direct shows the line up has changed i ran a mythfilldatabase --refresh-all it when and updated the database but the channels are still wrong on the box

[05:12:41]

psm321:

clever: i think it was scared of your intervention :)

[05:12:51]

clever:

psm321: lol:P

[05:12:52]

defendguin:

restarted the front end rebooted the box still wrong channels

[05:14:11]

Tanthrix:

defendguin: Are they correct when you login to SD? If not, that's something you'll have to report to them.

[05:14:22]

** clever goes off to sleep **

[05:14:39]

Tanthrix:

defendguin: And you might have to do "mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates" to actually remove/add/correct channels, assuming it is correct on SD's end

[05:14:45]

defendguin:

Tanthrix: it is correct when i go to SD i believe

[05:15:21]

defendguin:

Tanthrix: can you look at a programming guide through SD?

[05:15:46]

Tanthrix:

defendguin: No, but you can see what numbers correspond to which channels. Or are your channels correct, just incorrect show times and stuff?

[05:15:56]

Tanthrix:

Two different problems.

[05:16:01]

GreyFoxx:

defendguin: No, there is no webbased program guide there for now

[05:16:07]

defendguin:

i have incorrect channel numbers now

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defendguin:

on SD they are correct

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Tanthrix:

defendguin: Ok, then run mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates. That should fix it.

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** Tanthrix still waits patiently for SD to fix some actual incorrect guide data problems **

[05:17:38]

Tanthrix:

Rather, for SD to make TMS fix their mistakes. ;)

[05:18:16]

defendguin:

2008-01–10 23:17:20.765 Checking day @ offset 0, date: Thu Jan 10 2008

[05:18:16]

defendguin:

2008-01–10 23:17:20.871 Data is already present for Thu Jan 10 2008, skipping

[05:20:56]

Tanthrix:

Can anyone recommend a rock solid, never locks up, basic router with or without 802.11g? I'm considering killing my standalone linux server / router with something a bit more simple.

[05:21:35]

jhulst:

Tanthrix: I have a WRT-54G with dd-wrt that I like alot

[05:21:59]

Tanthrix:

jhulst: Does that work with Version 5 nowadays?

[05:22:11]

Tanthrix:

I've got one of those that's currently doing wifi for my neighbor

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jhulst:

Tanthrix: I got the GL version

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jhulst:

And I've used a version 5 too, it works, but doesn't do it all

[05:23:20]

jhulst:

I guess I have a version 6

[05:23:31]

jhulst:

It runs my xbox as a wireless access point

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defendguin:

Tanthrix: that did not fix it

[05:24:07]

jhulst:

Tanthrix: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124190

[05:24:21]

Tanthrix:

defendguin: And you're absolutely certain that it's correct in SD – every number corresponds to the correct channel?

[05:24:39]

jhulst:

I'm currently not real happy with the speed I get with WPA wireless, but I think the problem is my laptop

[05:24:48]

defendguin:

well i'm really just look at one channel in particular

[05:24:58]

defendguin:

on SD 61 is comedy central

[05:25:00]

Tanthrix:

And reliability is pretty good? That's my main concern, for pretty much everything actually.

[05:25:08]

defendguin:

on the box 61 is the history channel

[05:25:19]

defendguin:

in the guide

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defendguin:

in reality 61 is the comedy central

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htpcdvbs:

i think my pc is screwed

[05:26:00]

htpcdvbs:

i did a apt-get upgrade

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jhulst:

It does drop (and restart) sometimes when I'm changing settings, but when l'm not working with it, I haven't had it drop ever (1.5+ years)

[05:26:29]

htpcdvbs:

now every time i start mythfrontend it goes back to login

[05:26:36]

Tanthrix:

defendguin: "on the box 61 is the history channel" and "in reality 61 is the comedy central" are not reconcilable statements.

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jhulst:

htpcdvbs: What's the output of mythfrontend logs?

[05:27:13]

htpcdvbs:

were i find it

[05:27:20]

Tanthrix:

jhulst: Nifty, thanks.

[05:27:23]

defendguin:

on the box 61 is the history channel in the guide but when i watch the channel it is comedy central

[05:27:31]

codeer:

should one run the nvidia propriatery drivers?

[05:27:53]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: run from console with -v

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Tanthrix:

defendguin: The box being your cable box from your cable company, or your mythTV machine?

[05:28:07]

defendguin:

my mythtv machine

[05:28:12]

htpcdvbs:

so mythfrontend -v

[05:28:38]

Tanthrix:

defendguin: And SD shows 61 as comedy central when you login to the web page?

[05:28:46]

defendguin:

correct

[05:29:01]

Tanthrix:

defendguin: And did you restart mythfrontend after running -do-channel-updates ?

[05:29:03]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: Yes, you may need to redirect output to a file if it drops you to login

[05:29:19]

defendguin:

Tanthrix: yes

[05:29:24]

defendguin:

rebooted even

[05:29:31]

htpcdvbs:

jhulst i can login via ftp

[05:30:00]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: okay, you'll need to do 'mythfrontend -v all', sorry forgot the level

[05:30:41]

htpcdvbs:

goes back to login

[05:30:49]

Tanthrix:

defendguin: Well, you might want to remove the line up from mythtv-setup, then readd it

[05:31:16]

tjcarter:

=(

[05:31:21]

defendguin:

hmmm that sounds like a good ideA

[05:31:28]

tjcarter:

I forgot to submit my newegg order last night

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tjcarter:

avertvhd mce a180 is now out of stock

[05:32:20]

tjcarter:

it was $49 too, with an additional rebate.

[05:32:22]

Tanthrix:

defendguin: Might want to run mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates after removing just to make sure it's cleared everything out.

[05:33:08]

tjcarter:

Retail version is twice that.

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htpcdvbs:

jhulst i did what u said it goes back to login

[05:35:26]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: I'll sell you mine when the new HD component hardware encoder is released ;-)

[05:35:34]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: pastebin what you got

[05:35:39]

tjcarter:

The next cheapest option looks to be HVR-1600, and everyone pretty much tells me that they're not so good.

[05:35:43]

Tanthrix:

Though, it's not working these days with channel scanning unfortunately

[05:35:55]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: who's even working on that?

[05:36:03]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: it'd have to be AVC

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htpcdvbs:

jhulst i just when into login screen

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htpcdvbs:

soon as i did that

[05:36:38]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: It is. Hauppuage just did a PR anouncement today, and mkrufky is working on the windows driver for it, and is planning on writing a linux one

[05:36:53]

Tanthrix:

Absolutely wonderful news.

[05:36:56]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: That's why you need to redirect to file, so we can see what happened

[05:37:09]

htpcdvbs:

to were

[05:37:22]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: http://newsticker.welt.de/index.php?channel=f . . . mp;id=657864

[05:37:27]

jhulst:

mythfrontend -v all 1>myth.out 2>myth.error

[05:37:35]

htpcdvbs:

i put in sudo mythfrontend -v all /home/htpc/

[05:38:17]

htpcdvbs:

so i need to put in another path

[05:38:18]

tjcarter:

although if the AVerTV Combo PCIe MCE works, I might just buy it.

[05:38:29]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: you need to give filenames

[05:38:52]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: I don't know, unless you only want to do OTA, I'd wait for this new card.

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jhulst:

htpcdvbs: mythfrontend -v all 1>/home/htpc/myth.out 2>/home/mythtv/myth.error

[05:39:21]

jhulst:

eh, some places have more unecrypted channels, I do decent here

[05:39:26]

psm321:

anybody have multiple ivtv cardes?

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psm321:

i just added a pvr-500 (w/ existing pvr-350) and now ivtv takes ~15 seconds to modprobe... is that normal?

[05:40:13]

Tanthrix:

jhulst: Was the same here, until one day they started encrypting everything. I'd gladly pay $250 to be able to get all my channels in HD, permanently

[05:40:24]

htpcdvbs:

jhulst do i put in 1>

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jhulst:

Tanthrix: true, although you have a recurring fee to get a box if you don't get one with your cable package

[05:41:30]

Tanthrix:

jhulst: Aye, though it's only $6 a month here for a HD tuner.

[05:41:40]

Tanthrix:

Extra, I mean.

[05:42:09]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: I am looking to add clear QAM

[05:42:17]

defendguin:

Tanthrix: i ran mythtv-setup i don't see which section do i edit that setting

[05:42:28]

psm321:

also does ivtv always detect cards in the same order? (assuming no physical changes)

[05:42:34]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: I presently use a PVR-500

[05:42:37]

Tanthrix:

defendguin: It's under video sources

[05:42:38]

tjcarter:

frankly it's a turd.

[05:42:45]

jhulst:

Tanthrix: That's decent, but the card is still pretty expensive and not even shipping yet, I don't know if it's worth waiting for :)

[05:42:57]

Tanthrix:

True.

[05:42:57]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: put in what I said earlier

[05:43:29]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: And you know that you have in the clear QAM channels? It's pretty rare, unfortunately. Firewire less so.

[05:44:10]

jhulst:

tjcarter, Tanthrix: http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels

[05:44:36]

Tanthrix:

jhulst: Kinda cool, but doesn't really do anything that an A180 doesn't, and costs more.

[05:44:45]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: I now get 6–7 Firewire channels

[05:44:49]

tjcarter:

they fixed it TODAY(!)

[05:44:55]

tjcarter:

like, literally today.

[05:45:02]

jhulst:

Tanthrix: No, it shows what channels you get in the clear

[05:45:32]

Tanthrix:

jhulst: That would have been so god damned useful to me a week ago. Thanks for the heads up.

[05:45:41]

tjcarter:

Of course, I can't share the box between s-video and firewire

[05:45:47]

jhulst:

Although I do like my HDHR :)

[05:46:06]

tjcarter:

mchou says you can, but he only said that everyone in channel who asked him how were idiots..

[05:46:28]

Tanthrix:

mchou is a troll. Best ignore him.

[05:46:29]

tjcarter:

apparently he's the only one in the world who can do it, or it can't actually be done ;)

[05:46:44]

htpcdvbs:

jhulst no error

[05:46:53]

Tanthrix:

If I were an op, I would have kick banned his ass a long time ago.

[05:46:59]

tjcarter:

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui . . . stcode=97361

[05:47:05]

tjcarter:

that's what I get for 97361

[05:47:08]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: If you want my help, could you please do what I ask? Pastebin it

[05:47:13]

tjcarter:

...97330 is not close.

[05:47:38]

psm321:

someone should post that silicondust thing in the wiki... i spent forever trying to find a listing of clear QAM channels in my area and never found it via google

[05:47:41]

tjcarter:

about 35 minutes by car.

[05:47:52]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: By the way, http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/products_id/777

[05:47:54]

jhulst:

psm321: It's a wiki, go for it :)

[05:47:55]

htpcdvbs:

jhulst there nothing in the myth.error file

[05:48:09]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: okay, then paste the myth.out file

[05:48:11]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: 5 out of 5 stars for 117 ratings on Google products

[05:48:18]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: For that store, I mean

[05:48:19]

htpcdvbs:

nothing in it

[05:48:24]

htpcdvbs:

both 0k

[05:48:25]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: thanks

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tjcarter:

Tanthrix: if it weren't likely to cost $500 to buy a pair of the things you're looking from Hauppauge, I'd consider it.

[05:49:02]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: nothing in it means that myth isn't even starting up, myth.out should show lots

[05:49:07]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: I've loved mine. Never had it mistune a channel ever. Only problem is that channel scanning is currently broken, at least for me. I have to do everything manually though the database.

[05:49:18]

htpcdvbs:

damn

[05:49:21]

tjcarter:

but unless and until I can record two sets of component for under $300, I'm probably not THAT interested ;)

[05:49:31]

htpcdvbs:

why would it just goto login

[05:49:37]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: A myth problem, started a version or so ago. Have to scan with mplayer, then modify the db by hand. Not sure if everything has that issue though.

[05:49:52]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: with current trunk?

[05:49:54]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: can you run other programs? This is getting close to asking for help in your linux distro's channel

[05:50:05]

htpcdvbs:

yes

[05:50:18]

htpcdvbs:

just mythfrontend don't work

[05:50:24]

htpcdvbs:

mythbackend runs

[05:50:29]

tjcarter:

wow, that OEM card really skimped the connectors ;)

[05:50:37]

tjcarter:

No video input at all ;)

[05:50:47]

jhulst:

Tanthrix: I was haing trouble with it over X forwarding, but locally it works okay

[05:51:09]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: reinstall mythfrontend? What distro are you running?

[05:51:17]

htpcdvbs:

debian

[05:51:21]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Er, not mplayer, but scan. And I haven't tried trunk most recent that I installed a few days ago. But trunk from a month or two ago had the problem. I'll try in a few min when the gf finishes watching her show.

[05:51:22]

htpcdvbs:

dreamlinux

[05:51:36]

psm321:

jhulst: requires registration...

[05:51:47]

psm321:

otherwise theres a few other changes i wouldve made too

[05:52:21]

psm321:

what would cause a helicopter noise in the audio on my (pvr) cards? just started recently afaict

[05:52:26]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: I am actually considering this kit: http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . -tuner-cards

[05:52:27]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Crazy, I didn't notice that. Well, the analog portion is worthless anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

[05:52:41]

tjcarter:

mainly because it'd be a nice, easy replacement for my Snapstream Firefly II

[05:52:50]

tjcarter:

which has the advantage of being RF

[05:52:56]

tjcarter:

...that's all its got going for it ;)

[05:53:08]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Uh, is that card supported in linux? Nothing on the myth wiki.

[05:53:08]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: do you use packages for myth?

[05:53:16]

htpcdvbs:

trunk

[05:53:36]

htpcdvbs:

well jhulst i even tried mythtv-setup

[05:53:38]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: I am not certain

[05:53:48]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: that's why I haven't ordered it yet ;)

[05:53:49]

htpcdvbs:

it goes to login tooo

[05:53:57]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: did you recompile mythfrontend?

[05:54:01]

htpcdvbs:

yes

[05:54:25]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Sweet, looks like recent trunk fixed the channel scanning issue.

[05:54:57]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Just get the A180 and get a MCE remote kit on ebay. I just got one for $25.

[05:55:53]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: with a make clean? Have you tried other programs which use video full screen?

[05:56:50]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: There's no way that other card is supported. I don't think any PCI express cards are right now.

[05:57:04]

htpcdvbs:

no

[05:57:10]

htpcdvbs:

i did do make clean

[05:57:36]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: the main reason why I am interested in that particular card is that I happen to like its particular MCE remote ;)

[05:57:40]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: Try playing something with mplayer fullscreen, my guess is your video is having problems and X is dying

[05:57:45]

tjcarter:

there are like 4 layouts of MCE remote

[05:58:01]

tjcarter:

The possibility of a HDHomeRun exists instead of either of these things

[05:58:24]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: I have the one that looks identical to that, minus the four colored buttons on the bottom. That and the IR reciever are absolutely excellent. I am extremely pleased with both.

[05:58:53]

htpcdvbs:

i will do

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tjcarter:

I'm not sure the four colored buttons would even matter a little bit.

[05:59:04]

tjcarter:

I don't know what they'd do in Myth ;)

[05:59:46]

tjcarter:

Unless and until MythMusic can read from a DAAP server, I'm unlikely to use it in place of iTunes on my Mac.

[05:59:59]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Vista-MCE-Remot . . . cmdZViewItem

[06:00:12]

htpcdvbs:

jhulst full screen works

[06:00:19]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: That and the A180, and you're good to go. Cheaper than that kit too.

[06:00:23]

htpcdvbs:

in media player

[06:00:36]

htpcdvbs:

i did this command

[06:00:44]

htpcdvbs:

su -

[06:00:44]

htpcdvbs:

echo /usr/local/lib >> /etc/ld.so.conf

[06:00:44]

htpcdvbs:

exit

[06:01:12]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: It's a bloody brilliant reciever. Picks up the remote through a thick blanket. And the remote can self-learn the power and volume keys for your TV, an absolutely genius feature.

[06:01:54]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: volume would be unused in my case unless I buy new speakers.

[06:01:56]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: huh? What did you update with apt?

[06:02:12]

defendguin:

Tanthrix: Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2008-01–11 00:00 and ended on 2008-01–11 00:00. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure.

[06:02:13]

tjcarter:

and you power off my screen by putting the screen in powersave mode ;)

[06:02:13]

htpcdvbs:

i did apt-get upgrade

[06:02:29]

htpcdvbs:

then some one told me to do that command

[06:02:33]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: and what was upgraded?

[06:02:42]

htpcdvbs:

yes

[06:02:54]

htpcdvbs:

debian

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Tanthrix:

defendguin: I take it that's what you got when running it after removing it entirely?

[06:03:37]

defendguin:

and adding it back in

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htpcdvbs:

jhulst can u undo upgrade

[06:03:54]

htpcdvbs:

?

[06:03:58]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: what packages?

[06:04:07]

htpcdvbs:

no clue

[06:04:11]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: Not really, especially if you don't know what you upgraded

[06:04:13]

Tanthrix:

defendguin: No idea. I think you might just be doing something wrong, or your db is messed up.

[06:04:18]

htpcdvbs:

it when nutz

[06:04:20]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: the remote I really miss is my old Sony TiVo remote. =(

[06:04:35]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: So buy one on ebay

[06:04:37]

defendguin:

Tanthrix: let me look at something else

[06:05:03]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: can't be found for blood or money ;)

[06:05:11]

Tanthrix:

Hehe, a shame.

[06:05:32]

tjcarter:

Hauppauge used to have one VERY similar

[06:05:41]

tjcarter:

That I might be able to ebay.

[06:05:47]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: well, if myth won't even give output when you try and start it you have some major problems, I guess I would check with your linux distro

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tjcarter:

http://www.weaknees.com/images/tivo_remote/sony_svr.jpg

[06:06:42]

Tanthrix:

Is there anyway to make myth not separate different tuners so much? (IE, channel changing goes through all the channels instead of having to press Y to switch tuners)

[06:06:43]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: I would try recompiling myth and make sure that it is installed correctly

[06:06:45]

vontrapp:

whenever i play back recordings, my sound has this annoying buz

[06:06:50]

psm321:

i'm very used to my pvr remote now having used it for 4 years, would find it hard to switch

[06:07:11]

vontrapp:

but if i pass the sound straight thru from the tuner, no buz

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psm321:

vontrapp: i'm not an expert but i would suggest checking what inputs you have enabled for recording

[06:08:05]

vontrapp:

it's strange, because the buz only happens on playback (not in the various interface screens) but the buz is completely independent of recording volume

[06:08:12]

vontrapp:

(but is dependent on playback volume)

[06:08:20]

psm321:

my guess is youre recording yur line-in+mic in or something

[06:08:50]

htpcdvbs:

i will try that

[06:08:52]

psm321:

vontrapp: what about if you do liveTV (with the sound going through myth, not straight hookup)

[06:08:55]

vontrapp:

in alsamixer i have 2 inputs, each can have line, mic, front-mic

[06:09:09]

vontrapp:

live tv (through myth) has the buz too

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vontrapp:

i've tried changing all kinds of settings in the recording profiles

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psm321:

yeah my suspicion is multiple inputs selected

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psm321:

in the mixer

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vontrapp:

i've tried various permutations of the two input selects

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defendguin:

fuck

[06:11:13]

vontrapp:

i've tried disabling one completely

[06:11:20]

vontrapp:

the buz persists

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defendguin:

Tanthrix: i'm not getting any data in the program guide

[06:12:09]

vontrapp:

even with both captures turned off the buz persists

[06:12:15]

vontrapp:

but ONLY on playback

[06:12:20]

vontrapp:

it's soo weird

[06:12:46]

psm321:

vontrapp: what if you play something else outside of myth (like a quiet mp3 or something)

[06:12:47]

vontrapp:

it's like playback mode toggles some sound card setting that produces a buz

[06:13:16]

jhulst:

vontrapp: does any other playback buzz? mplayer with sound?

[06:14:04]

vontrapp:

no buz playing music even in mythtv

[06:14:17]

vontrapp:

mplayer no buz

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jhulst:

vontrapp: what about playing the video with mplayer?

[06:14:31]

vontrapp:

just in recording playback

[06:15:09]

jhulst:

vontrapp: what does alsamixer show when you are playing back, what inputs are enabled?

[06:15:14]

psm321:

vontrapp: i would suggest playing a recording in mplayer like jhulst suggested, that should be a good process of elimination step

[06:15:16]

vontrapp:

i've muted all outputs except the one i need

[06:15:48]

jhulst:

vontrapp: but are they enabled when you playback?

[06:16:08]

vontrapp:

nothing seems to change in alsamixer

[06:16:15]

psm321:

vontrapp: that would isolate whether its a playback issue or a recording issue (to an extent)

[06:16:16]

vontrapp:

except by me

[06:17:02]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: ebay has two--$50 and $90 buy-it-now prices ;)

[06:17:22]

htpcdvbs:

jhlust no go still does login

[06:17:44]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Of the A180?

[06:17:58]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: when you run it from ssh/ftp, what is the output

[06:18:40]

htpcdvbs:

Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server

[06:18:41]

htpcdvbs:

Xlib: No protocol specified

[06:18:41]

htpcdvbs:

mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server :0.0

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tjcarter:

Tanthrix: Sony TiVo remote

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jhulst:

htpcdvbs: before running it, type 'export DISPLAY=:0'

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vontrapp:

actually, older recordings don't have it

[06:19:17]

tjcarter:

$90 for a freakin' remote!

[06:19:18]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Oh, heh. Worth that much to you?

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tjcarter:

Sony don't make them anymore

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vontrapp:

just newer ones, so it is in the recording

[06:20:03]

tjcarter:

No, for that price I'll look around for the Hauppauge one for the PVR-250.

[06:20:08]

tjcarter:

It was very similar.

[06:20:15]

vontrapp:

i figured out how to up the volume in the recordings themselves though, so i can at least "turn down" the buz relatively

[06:20:25]

htpcdvbs:

still same

[06:20:37]

htpcdvbs:

i might have to restall it?

[06:20:57]

psm321:

vontrapp: do alsactl -f – store | grep -20 'Capture Source' and paste the results in a pastebin

[06:20:58]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: the console goes to login?

[06:21:09]

htpcdvbs:

yeap

[06:21:41]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: thats beyond me, I don't see how a program could do that, work with you linux distro I guess

[06:21:59]

psm321:

vontrapp: er actually just grep for Capture instead of capture source

[06:22:21]

htpcdvbs:

that sucks if i have to restall it

[06:22:37]

vontrapp:

grep -20?

[06:22:39]

htpcdvbs:

it took me 6 months to get thi one done

[06:22:40]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: don't reinstall, just figure it out with your linux distro

[06:22:49]

psm321:

vontrapp: that gives 20 lines of context

[06:22:58]

htpcdvbs:

it debain dreamlinux

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LonEagle:

so i got my HDHomerun. now i am trying to figure out how to get in like 3 of the channels i'm not getting

[06:23:15]

LonEagle:

probably going to need a diff. antenna

[06:23:53]

** psm321 doesn't understand the appeal of the hdhomerun **

[06:24:24]

defendguin:

Tanthrix: ok i finally got the channels to fetch and add themselves but the channel name for all the channels is "adding channel"

[06:24:35]

defendguin:

and then a number

[06:24:38]

LonEagle:

psm321: you don't have to have it in your machine. flawless linux support.

[06:24:47]

Tanthrix:

psm321: It's simple to setup, reliable, and most importantly, it can be placed very near the first splitter in your home with ethernet the rest of the way. A Good Thing for those far from the pole

[06:24:52]

jhulst:

psm321: I like that I don't have to have it next to my machine and that it doesn't take up slots

[06:25:05]

psm321:

ok

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Tanthrix:

Still, I'd take an A180 any day

[06:25:40]

jhulst:

htpcdvbs: I have no experience with that distro, according to wikipedia it's a mixture of many distros, I guess you could try #debian

[06:25:46]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: Just so you know, upgrading to trunk fixed my channel scanning problem. I suspect you'll be good to go when your A180 arrives.

[06:25:51]

defendguin:

at least the channel data is right now

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vontrapp:

there Capture {Volume,Switch,Volume,Switch}

[06:26:00]

LonEagle:

there we go. different antenna works better

[06:26:04]

vontrapp:

and then one final Capture Volume

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LonEagle:

NBC is only in HD in this city. great. :(

[06:28:05]

psm321:

vontrapp: theres no capture source block?

[06:28:05]

vontrapp:

meh, hd is overrated

[06:28:17]

LonEagle:

vontrapp: yeah but i can't dongrade the HDTV signal now can i

[06:28:34]

jhulst:

LonEagle: sure you can, it's just not much fun

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vontrapp:

there's only input source

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LonEagle:

jhulst: how do you do it?

[06:28:49]

vontrapp:

and capture switch (on or off)

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jhulst:

LonEagle: Once it's captured with the HDHR?

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vontrapp:

anyway, upping the capture volume seems to be a good fix

[06:29:16]

vontrapp:

thx for the help though

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rooaus:

tjcarter: Did you ever get your Firewire/Svideo probs worked out?

[06:30:50]

defendguin:

fixed it

[06:31:02]

tjcarter:

rooaus: no

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rooaus:

pm?

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tjcarter:

I suppose?

[06:32:35]

LonEagle:

jhulst: yeah

[06:34:08]

jhulst:

LonEagle: using mencoder probably, if you need, I probably can write the command if you need me to

[06:35:31]

jhulst:

LonEagle: But what's stopping you from just playing it back, I think myth would scale it down for you on a display

[06:36:04]

LonEagle:

jhulst: i don't know, i haven't tried yet. my myth frontend is a p3–850 tho

[06:36:29]

jhulst:

LonEagle: yeah, that might not cut it

[06:37:28]

LonEagle:

yeah.

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LonEagle:

plus, the HD stream is coming in a pillarboxed format

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LonEagle:

which is not cool

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jhulst:

LonEagle: true, you can still transcode it though, this should work, http://rafb.net/p/wNYq3J79.html

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LonEagle:

jhulst: you think that will smack the pillarboxes off?

[06:42:36]

jhulst:

LonEagle: No, you could if you wanted, but it'd be squished/miss parts of the picture

[06:42:51]

LonEagle:

jhulst: why would it be squashed?

[06:43:15]

jhulst:

LonEagle: oh, pillarboxes along the sides?

[06:43:25]

LonEagle:

my TV is an SDTV. so if a program is pillarboxed this is a problem for me

[06:43:54]

jhulst:

Are the bars on top and bottom or along the sides?

[06:43:56]

LonEagle:

sides

[06:44:15]

LonEagle:

so, if i tune in NBC right now, they only have an "hdtv" stream

[06:44:39]

LonEagle:

if it's a regular program (like carson daly, which is on right now) it comes as a 1080i picture with pillarboxes.

[06:44:47]

LonEagle:

which is kind of retarded, IMHO.

[06:44:59]

jhulst:

LonEagle: I see, yeah it's not cool

[06:45:19]

LonEagle:

if i have a true HD program, i'd like to display it with letterboxing.

[06:45:46]

LonEagle:

i'm not sure that i can tell the difference with myth. but one program should probably always be the same.

[06:46:59]

jhulst:

LonEagle: Yeah, I'm not sure how you could handle that, I'm sure you could come up with a script to remove them, but like you said, it'd require some work to automatically know whether you needed to transcode

[06:47:24]

LonEagle:

i'm going to have to beef up my myth box i think...

[06:47:26]

LonEagle:

:(

[06:47:44]

jhulst:

LonEagle: maybe this would help? http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/linux/myth . . . atio-fix.xml

[06:48:51]

jhulst:

LonEagle: Looks like he has the same exact problem

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LonEagle:

oh very nice.

[06:49:15]

LonEagle:

good linkage.

[06:49:16]

tcpsyn:

evening gents

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tcpsyn:

and ladies

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jhulst:

tcpsyn: good morning, early morning

[06:49:37]

tcpsyn:

yeah

[06:49:56]

tcpsyn:

I want to wait up for kde4, like a little kid waiting for santa claus.

[06:50:07]

LonEagle:

i should figure out how to bring my myth box back up

[06:50:20]

LonEagle:

it hasn't been on for over a year and a half

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tcpsyn:

thats not very useful

[06:50:45]

LonEagle:

nope

[06:51:57]

tcpsyn:

I'm about to fire my ISP

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jhulst:

tcpsyn: I didn't even realize today was the release date, I'm interested to see how much is implemented

[06:53:09]

tcpsyn:

oh I realized.

[06:53:12]

tcpsyn:

I've been waiting 9 months

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tcpsyn:

patiently for this day

[06:53:22]

LonEagle:

myth release date?

[06:53:27]

jhulst:

KDE

[06:53:45]

LonEagle:

oh

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tjcarter:

LonEagle: two weeks after the last person asks.

[06:55:48]

LonEagle:

lol

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: Already arrived and yes, no problems channel scan problems (just annoying pops). I had left something in the scrollback asking for exactly how you were getting the crash, glad I won't need it.

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LonEagle:

yeah this is going to be a real compliated setup then

[07:05:38]

LonEagle:

what can you pick up for cheap *quiet* frontends

[07:05:45]

LonEagle:

err frontend/backend combo boxes

[07:06:21]

jhulst:

LonEagle: To build your own? How cheap?

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LonEagle:

i dunno. i'm not really in a mood to spend more than $300

[07:07:45]

LonEagle:

i suppose for that i could buy a cheap dell

[07:07:49]

LonEagle:

ick.

[07:08:08]

jhulst:

LonEagle: Or build one using your current stuff

[07:08:29]

LonEagle:

yeah. find a cheap proc & mobo

[07:09:14]

jhulst:

LonEagle: yup, I just upgraded my frontend rather cheaply with an Asus board and AMD proc

[07:09:56]

LonEagle:

how much ram?

[07:10:08]

LonEagle:

and which proc did you throw in

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jhulst:

2 gigs, Athlon X2 5000+, I think Newegg actually has that processor on sale now too, $100

[07:11:07]

tjcarter:

I think I just read exactly why I hate the MCE remote..

[07:11:11]

tjcarter:

TOO MANY BUTTONS.

[07:11:29]

tjcarter:

It doesn't need to be like Apple's 5 button thing, but 40+ buttons is too much ;)

[07:12:03]

jhulst:

LonEagle: The motherboard I got has onboard dvi and does well with HD

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LonEagle:

jhulst: i'm using an SDTV for an output monitor though. so i can just stick with my pci vidcard i guess

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adante:

there's no such thing as too many buttons! :]

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[07:13:31]

LonEagle:

i need to figure out what mode to throw my stereo remote into so that the hdhomerun can read it

[07:15:26]

tcpsyn:

I need a damn server

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tcpsyn:

with actual space in it

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tcpsyn:

for drives

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jhulst:

tcpsyn: I like this one, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . bTitan%2b650 :)

[07:19:53]

LonEagle:

jhulst: isn't 2 gigs of ram overkill for a mythbox?

[07:19:59]

LonEagle:

what is it going to do with all that

[07:20:41]

jhulst:

LonEagle: yeah it is, I bought a dual pack and it was just about as cheap as a single gig, and I get to run it in dual channel mode

[07:20:56]

LonEagle:

i could get a dual pack of 512

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jhulst:

LonEagle: yup, I got mine on sale, I figured it wouldn't hurt :)

[07:23:14]

LonEagle:

ah

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LonEagle:

probably need a new case too

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LonEagle:

what if i put in a sempron

[07:25:35]

LonEagle:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103196

[07:25:41]

jhulst:

LonEagle: What are you going to be doing with it? For HD playback you probably should have at least 2.6 ghz

[07:25:43]

LonEagle:

like that's a $40 chip

[07:25:48]

LonEagle:

2.6ghz of what arch?

[07:25:56]

LonEagle:

2.6ghz of p4 ain't gonna do it :P

[07:26:39]

LonEagle:

i have a 3800+ x2 in the box i'm sitting on right now, and it works fine for the 1080i

[07:27:27]

jhulst:

LonEagle: If it's going to be combined, I would really recommend a dual core

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LonEagle:

hm.

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LonEagle:

could do an x2 4000+ for $50

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jhulst:

The wiki recommends at least an Athlon 3200+

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jhulst:

for playback alone

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LonEagle:

where's that page

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jhulst:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configur . . . Playing_HDTV

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LonEagle:

well the other thing is that i'm not going to want to play it per se

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LonEagle:

just transcode it on the fly, i think

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jhulst:

LonEagle: You'd still need to decode it though

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LonEagle:

yeah

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jhulst:

Why not just spend the extra $10-$20 and get something that you're not going to have to replace?

[07:33:04]

LonEagle:

what is this AMD LE stuff. shoot. i don't know processors right now.

[07:33:52]

LonEagle:

also, that'd be weird, having a proc in my mythbox faster than in my regular box

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Tanthrix:

That's a great reason.

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LonEagle:

LOL :)

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jhulst:

I'm not sure what the LE stands for

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LonEagle:

i'll go read up on it

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jhulst:

LonEagle: Just upgrade your main box instead :)

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Tanthrix:

I know the feeling though – it was weird when I upgraded my myth system to a C2D E4400, which is just slightly slower than my main system

[07:35:20]

tcpsyn:

I want to grab a quad core

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tcpsyn:

So I can have a dedicated myth front/backend

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LonEagle:

well, my main box is an amd x2 3900+ i think

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tcpsyn:

because I'm tired of using my desktop as a frontend

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tcpsyn:

my desktop should be my desktop

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LonEagle:

yeah

[07:36:06]

tcpsyn:

and my mythbox should be my mythbox

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DarK:

my mythbox is also faster then my primary desktop

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tcpsyn:

yeah.

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tcpsyn:

Dark, are playing back hd on your backend?

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DarK:

I recently bought an x2 BE-2350

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DarK:

x264?

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LonEagle:

BE?

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DarK:

the BE-2350 is a "green" cpu, very power efficiant

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DarK:

it only uses 45W

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LonEagle:

ah

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mzb_d800:

is it possible to define function keys (ie. F2 F3 ...) as config buttons in lircrc?

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800: I'm *pretty* sure that it is

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mzb_d800:

I can't see how

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iamlindoro_:

I think it's literally config = F1, etc.

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mzb_d800:

the lirc page shows control code mods

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mzb_d800:

I'm trying to setup a few buttons on the remote so that they send events like "Ctrl+Alt+F2"

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mzb_d800:

but I'm prepared to go for "Ctrl+2" because I'm lazy

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mzb_d800:

and the page suggests I can define that with "\2"

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mzb_d800:

doesn't appear to work

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mzb_d800:

ah ... upper case letters only?

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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mzb_d800:

I'm trying to setup 3 buttons so that they jump

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mzb_d800:

ie. TV, FM and DVD .... to jump to LiveTV, Play Music, and Videos

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... tried \1 \2 \3 ... then tried \T \M \V ... still not winning ... and getting in trouble for not being chained to the BBQ ;) ... ah well ... I'll try again later ;)

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iamlindoro:

BBQ is better anyway

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mzb_d800:

true ;) (it's near the 48" RPTV and the beer fridge!!!)

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mzb_d800:

bbl

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rooaus:

I know I have been drinking (on holidays) but wtf is pi() in gcalctool (ubuntu calculator).. scientific mode my ar$e!

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mzb_d800:

rooaus: nice to see the alcohol doesn't affect you much :)

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bsdfox__:

anyone know how to get the playlist to play?

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bsdfox__:

I select some stuff to watch but I can't figure out how to run it :P

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justinh:

bsdfox__: er... playlist options perchance? :P

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: You aren't going to tell me I need to use Archimedes' Approximation are you?

[10:04:27]

justinh:

mmmmm pi(e)

[10:04:33]

mzb_d800:

only if you used beer ;)

[10:04:34]

Gumby:

hrm, is schedules direct bandwidth a tad slow?

[10:05:23]

Gumby:

mythfilldatabase takes forever

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mzb_d800:

ie. hold beer in hand and turn 360 degrees. Walk to the beer line and then stagger around the circle ... that'd be good enough, right? ... results would probably improve after a few beers (that's the approximation part;)

[10:08:59]

mzb_d800:

(aka Beer Approximation)

[10:09:12]

mzb_d800:

(aka Beer Approximation of Pi(es))

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Yahooadam:

i think mzb_d800 _may_ have had too much beer

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justinh:

can you ever have too much beer?

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justinh:

I know there's too much beer to still function & feel good but too much beer full stop?

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mzb_d800:

I'm studying Beer Principles ;)

[10:10:56]

mzb_d800:

Beer. Good. Stop. ;)

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tjcarter:

Yay for audiobook encodings

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mzb_d800:

(Beer Communication)

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tjcarter:

Although, I have no beer, so it's going slower than it ought to ;)

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mzb_d800:

or is that ... Beer. Swig. Good. Gulp. Stop. Repeat :))

[10:14:03]

mzb_d800:

http://www.cascadebrewery.com.au/

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mzb_d800:

:)

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Yahooadam:

im going to say this once, you have too much time :p

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mzb_d800:

only because I avoid doing important things ;)

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mzb_d800:

(when I'm lucky)

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mzb_d800:

or until I get (more) work

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mzb_d800:

btw: did I mention it's past beer o'clock (and it's been a hot day ... slaving over the BBQ;))

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justinh:

hmm you can see where loyalties lie lately. so much ****ing traffic about muh muh windows

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justinh:

like it's the frickin holy grail or something :(

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rooaus:

justinh: Yeah, seems a lot of work. And when/if it happens what will the pressure be on devs to eliminate all "!win32:{}"?

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justinh:

I know what I'd say. You want it on win32 so bad, I don't. you fix it

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justinh:

might rename my themes to end in . just to piss em off

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directhex:

justinh, didn't gant's full stop get removed for win32 friendliness?

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justinh:

I really can't see what's so bad about needing linux to run mythtv

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justinh:

directhex: yeah it did

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directhex:

justinh, interop is good. it's nice if your all-knowing mythtv server can be accessed by *anything*, not just linux desktops. upnp support has already done a lot towards it

[11:01:41]

justinh:

yeah so let upnp do the lifting

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justinh:

don't port my beloved pvr

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justinh:

I guess my rationale here is.. "I had to learn linux stuff, so you should frickin well have to, too!"

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justinh:

at the end of the day, if whatever goes on 'over there' doesn't affect me in any way (i.e. as long as the buggers don't introduce bugs which affect linux users) I won't care too much

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rooaus:

justinh: An occasional frontend is understandable, but as mentioned use upnp and/or backend streaming (like mythweb) when completed. But after running mythbackend as a service for a while I am sure they will end up on linux.

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rooaus:

Then again, the qt4 port was inspired by the desire to have a natively compiled frontend, so maybe I should bite my tongue :)

[11:13:51]

justinh:

the qt4 port would be necessary with or without that

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justinh:

qt3 ain't gonna be around much longer

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rooaus:

true, but that is the reason CDev started it I believe (and related to his inital upnp work)

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... neither "jump playmusic" or "jump musicplaylists" appear to work for me

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mzb_d800:

can anyone else confirm this?

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mzb_d800:

(telnet interface)

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justinh:

!seen cesman

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MythLogBot:

cesman was last seen 2 days 5 hours 12 minutes 49 seconds ago

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: Tested with r15397 and seems to work, although I did need to confirm answer the miniplayer q's when jumping out of mythmusic.

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mzb_d800:

I'm on 15363 (multirec)

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mzb_d800:

apart from using irexec to call a small script that sends telnet commands, how can I use buttons to control jumps?

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mzb_d800:

I can't get the jump-point commands to work

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mzb_d800:

and I can't assign ctrl+Fn to lirc keys

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mzb_d800:

using the telnet script all works except for the music jump

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mzb_d800:

(albeit crude)

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justinh:

mzb_d800: use mythcontrols

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mzb_d800:

err

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justinh:

you shouldn't have to resort to irexec & telnet craziness

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mzb_d800:

I agree

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DarK:

hi all

[11:39:14]

DarK:

where do I change the setting so 'watch movies' shows me a list of files, in stead of big icons?

[11:42:54]

justinh:

DarK: press M

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justinh:

and it's not 'watch movies' damnit

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DarK:

how is it called then?

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justinh:

you can change the setting permanently in utils/setup > setup > media settings > video > general – the default view can be chosen there

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DarK:

tnx alot :)

[11:47:00]

justinh:

some translations might have turned 'videos' into 'movies' but that's not how it's intended to be AFAIK

[11:47:31]

justinh:

anyway since when was gallery view the default? thought the default was the list view

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siXy:

i thought gallery has always been the default... but my memory isn't great

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justinh:

unless it's a mythtv-based distro thing...

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siXy:

no idea, never used any of the pre-made thingies

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justinh:

mzb_d800: what you need to do is bind the remote buttons you want to use as jump buttons to unused keys (e.g. shift+F12), then go into mythcontrols or mythweb & change the keybinding for the jump point

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justinh:

obviously you do the first part by editing your lircrc file, then restart mythfrontend... or just do the binding of a jump point to a key then change lircrc later

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mzb_d800:

yes I get that bit ... mostly ... except how do you do modifiers for remote keys in lircrc?

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justinh:

modifiers?

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mzb_d800:

shift control and alt

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justinh:

ahh. can't remember

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mzb_d800:

(just discovered the reason why the music button doesn't work ... mythmusic not installed correctly ... whoops)

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC#LIRCRC

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mzb_d800:

yeah, guessed it, thanks

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anykey_:

Does anyone have an idea why SD-livetv would stutter on a c2d but only on one channel? mythfrontend -v playback: http://www.dmesg.ch/mythtv/mythfrontend.log

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directhex:

virgin1?

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anykey_:

nope, MTV Germany over DVB-C

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justinh:

anykey_: big step changes in bitrate can do that. I've seen it & it's nasty

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justinh:

never seen it affect anything but mythfrontend though, which is a bit annoying

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anykey_:

hm, let me check the bitrate

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justinh:

the overall bitrate won't tell you anything

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anykey_:

dvbtraffic maybe?

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justinh:

maybe that yeah

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anykey_:

looks ok, about 4.2mbit/s

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anykey_:

varying from 4.0–4.2mbit/s

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anykey_:

but no big steps

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anykey_:

ah no, seems that you were right

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anykey_:

i've looked at the average column. The real bitrate has quite huge steps: http://www.dmesg.ch/mythtv/dvbsnoop.txt

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justinh:

it's suspected that the problem lies in the dynamic bufferring

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purple:

hi all

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purple:

anyone using asus tv/fm with mythtv? i have problems setting it up

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anykey_:

yeah well. Isn't this sort of a broken channel? I mean changing the bitrate vom 70 to 7000kbit/s in one second isn't really good, isnt it?

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justinh:

anykey_: other players aren't affected, so no

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anykey_:

oh ok

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at0m|c:

hi, does someone know where i can find encoding resolutions for pvr-x50? been playing with my settings, would like to see if my adjustments actually improved things eh... I've been looking various places, but cant seem to find more on the resolutions (ie. 480x480)...

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justinh:

at0m|c: 720x576 is the mythtv default for PAL. 720x480 is the mythtv default for NTSC where pvr cards are concerned now

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Jonny88:

is powersave automatically setup with mythtv? Or is this distro specific?

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at0m|c:

justinh, cheers. still, there must be a whole scala of options for that? like 480x480 works fine for me apparently

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at0m|c:

using PAL, will try the 720x576 for high quality..

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directhex:

Jonny88, distro specific

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justinh:

480x480 was the default when I first set up my pvr150. it looked shit like VHS

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at0m|c:

oki

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Jonny88:

cheers, is it easy to setup? I'v only used suse kpowersave so far

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Seeker`:

where do you change the resolution?

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justinh:

recording profiles

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at0m|c:

mythtv > setup > tv > recording profiles

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justinh:

you know, like it SAYS IN THE MANUAL

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at0m|c:

lol

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justinh:

funny but every time somebody mentions using the docs in here it goes quiet

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at0m|c:

watching the new resolution :o

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justinh:

big difference eh?

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justinh:

it was like comparing VHS to DVD for me

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at0m|c:

better, yes :)

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at0m|c:

i found it strange not to see any resolutions mentioned on the mythtv urls, except for default PAL and NTCS

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at0m|c:

i mean, there's an option for low quality recording, could be like 320x240 or so

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justinh:

the default for recording profiles on pvr cards is now 720x576 for PAL & 720x480 for NTSC. no sense in doing otherwise

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at0m|c:

ok..

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at0m|c:

something else i dont really seem to find docs for, it how to use the s-video input on the pvr. like to convert all old vhs to mpeg or watch external tuner

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at0m|c:

would i make a new tuner for that, give it one channel and program that as a regular channel using the 'other' tuner?

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justinh:

define a new 'video source' and bind an input connection to it

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at0m|c:

oki. and binding input, that would be not /dev/video0 but /dev/video16 or so

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maki_d:

hi

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justinh:

at0m|c: still /dev/video0 but the composite or svideo input

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at0m|c:

oki – since there was video0,16,24,32,48 i thought these would be aliases for the other inputs

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at0m|c:

got me confused there

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at0m|c:

justinh, i dont have to give the svideo and composite inputs a default channel or so?

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justinh:

did I not say to make a new video source, then bind said video source to a tuner input in 'input connections' ?

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at0m|c:

oki, did that.

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mzb_d800:

there's a neat little feature I've been using, that allows me to add groups of programmes to a playlist, and then shuffle a playlist

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blkorpheus:

nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied

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blkorpheus:

Unable to open lockfile!

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blkorpheus:

Be sure that '/home//AZD/video' exists and that both

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blkorpheus:

the directory and that file are writeable by this user.

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mzb_d800:

is there a "nice" way of being able to assign a button that allows me to shuffle play all of "Kiah's" videos?

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blkorpheus:

keep getting that error in the log

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blkorpheus:

few thingswrong with it

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blkorpheus:

the dir is 777

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blkorpheus:

and that lock file was deleted

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blkorpheus:

so how can I keep mythbackend from bombing?

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mzb_d800:

putting my question another way ... how is that playlist stored, and can I save|restore it?

[13:07:09]

opentrinity:

what is WinMythSetup-0.19.0.msi? ...i'm trying to find out a media center for winzoz

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directhex:

winmyth is an old, unsupported frontend for recordings on windows

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opentrinity:

ok

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directhex:

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10005&page=8 covers a few alternatives

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directhex:

but these all require a mythtv backend server running on linux

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maki_d:

mythtv from svn can use the stable plugins ?

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DGnome:

opentrinity: mediaportal may be your poison

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directhex:

DGnome, assuming he wants a complete pvr solution. there's always windows media center!

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mzb_d800:

how does the Recordings Playback determine|use a playlist?

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mzb_d800:

I want to be able to create my own lists (on the fly from a script) that can be linked to a button on the remote

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mzb_d800:

I guess I could use a similar technique to the one I use for music videos, but isn't there a nicer way?

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opentrinity:

DGnome: tx this is what i'm looking for

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directhex:

opentrinity, so really, you've got absolutely nothing even remotely mythtv related to ask, here in #mythtv-users?

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GreyFoxx:

maki_d: No

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opentrinity:

directhex, tonight when a developer send me drivers for my terratec i'll ask u how set mythtv that i have already installed

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blkorpheus:

nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied

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blkorpheus:

backend keeps dying with that error

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overridex:

hmm as soon as i run: amixer set Capture,0 100%,100% captur i can hear the sound as it's being captured, i do have line muted and set as the capture source... what am i missing?

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Yahooadam:

delete the lockfile

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blkorpheus:

the lock file doesnot exist

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Yahooadam:

then the backend cant write to the directory you set it to record to

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blkorpheus:

I did the obvious

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blkorpheus:

well then thats odd since nothing is preventing it

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blkorpheus:

permissions are valid

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blkorpheus:

mythtv own the dir

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blkorpheus:

thats why I'm asking for help

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blkorpheus:

others have had the issue, but never leave the fix

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willcooke:

Chaps, I've been asked to build a myth box for a friend. I'm looking at a MB with an Intel Extreme 2 965GM chip built in. Does anyone have any experience of these? In the past I've used nvidia 5200 and connected them to a TV using a 50hz interlaced modeline and they work really well

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blkorpheus:

so can't get the fix from google

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blkorpheus:

yet

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blkorpheus:

when I create a new dir, mythbackend setup tells me it does not exist?!?

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blkorpheus:

why, I'm looking at the folder

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siXy:

blkorpheus: permissions probably

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blkorpheus:

again, thats checked

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siXy:

selinux?

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blkorpheus:

I would not bother you guys withtheobvious

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blkorpheus:

plain ubuntu

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overridex:

grr... i can't get mythtv to actually capture audio, without playing it back as it captures even when mythfrontend isn't running

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GreyFoxx:

anykey_: hehe no

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justinh:

forums are a good laugh again. mythdora problem where everything works apart from mythtv :)

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Seeker`:

is there a way to find out what resolution mythtv is playing live TV at?

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Seeker`:

I changed the setting, and I want to make sure that it is actually working

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Kazan:

anyone know how to get mediamonitor working with KDE's automount

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code-r:

Any one know how to turn on XVCM for nvidia cards

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Kazan:

code-r: did you compile with XvMC support?

[15:06:39]

code-r:

yes

[15:06:45]

Kazan:

then in frontend

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Kazan:

setup->setup->tv settings->playback

[15:07:03]

Kazan:

then there is a profiles screen

[15:07:14]

Kazan:

it'll have one profile for a certain et of resolutions

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Kazan:

and then another for another, etc

[15:07:20]

Kazan:

you edit those profiles to turn XvMC on

[15:07:32]

Kazan:

i highly recommend you NOT use XvMC if you have sufficient CPU to not do so

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code-r:

i dont

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code-r:

but why shouldnt u?

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code-r:

why is it not recommended

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justinh:

it has disadvantages

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Kazan:

A) you loose color OSD, B) in my expirience the XvMC decoder is less fault tolerant

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justinh:

besides it doesn't offer much benefit anyway

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code-r:

im running cpu MHz : 1260.086

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Kazan:

what cpu coder

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code-r:

AMD Duron(tm)

[15:09:23]

Kazan:

oh

[15:09:24]

Kazan:

duron

[15:09:26]

Kazan:

shudder

[15:09:30]

Kazan:

have you tried playing back HD without it?

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code-r:

embeded board :-S

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code-r:

HD? lol im only on SD atm

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code-r:

1600 pvr is not yet suppored :(

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Kazan:

1600 pvr? not an 1800?

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Kazan:

oh.. you need pci

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Kazan:

righto :D

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code-r:

LOL anyway.. so why does the text on the OSD shake like mad lol

[15:10:44]

Kazan:

code-r: lemme see if i can find a test mpeg2 1080i sample on google

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Kazan:

the text shakes like mad?

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code-r:

yeh

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code-r:

sorry it jitters

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Kazan:

weird

[15:11:20]

Kazan:

doesn't do so for me

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code-r:

almost like interalacing is screwing up..

[15:11:40]

Kazan:

are you using trunk, 20-fixes, packages, what video card, what is your output?

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code-r:

the big numbers at the top look like they have a shadow lol

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code-r:

using svn

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Kazan:

oooh... what is your video card

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code-r:

nvidia 5200

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code-r:

sout

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Kazan:

hmm

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Kazan:

sout?

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Kazan:

svideo out?

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code-r:

yeh

[15:12:04]

code-r:

sorry

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Kazan:

you know you cannot do HD over svideo

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code-r:

Kazan: i know :( it dont even have an HD tv lOl

[15:12:28]

Kazan:

doh

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code-r:

yet..

[15:12:40]

Kazan:

using analog tv out is for the loss

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code-r:

i take it ill need a DVI

[15:12:47]

Kazan:

DVI or VGA

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Kazan:

my HDTV supports both

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Kazan:

i'm using DVI->HDMI cable right now

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code-r:

i have 2 vga out on this card

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Kazan:

1360x768 60hz

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Kazan:

just make sure you get a HDTV that has a VGA connector then

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code-r:

yeh

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code-r:

or get a better card

[15:13:36]

Kazan:

true

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code-r:

if im going ot do HDTV I think ill use my celeron 3.0 as a front end...

[15:13:55]

Kazan:

with a duron of that speed though... you'd probably want to upgrade cpu as well

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code-r:

<code-r> if im going ot do HDTV I think ill use my celeron 3.0 as a front end...

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Kazan:

my old one was athlon xp 2500+, 3/4GB RAM and using XvMC for HD i got about 40% CPU utilization

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code-r:

for now i wanna get this front end working ok..

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code-r:

SD uses 53%

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Kazan:

turn off XvMC and i had 50%.. didn't hlep me much

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Kazan:

SD uses 50%?!

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** Kazan shudders **

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Kazan:

ouch

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code-r:

w/o xvmc

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Kazan:

livetv or recorded?

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code-r:

live

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code-r:

with a 150 pvr

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code-r:

(mpeg)

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justinh:

if you've got a nvidia VGA card, install the binary drivers. If ATI, bin it & get a nvidia card

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Kazan:

ah.. livetv cpu utilization is high

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Kazan:

justinh: he has a nvidia 5200

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code-r:

i got a nvidia

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Kazan:

he just didn't know how to turn xvmc on, so i told him

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code-r:

and use binary drivers :)

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** code-r exited **

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code-r:

finaly a gfx card that supports OUT

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chasep_work:

I'm trying to get a KWorld 115 card working with mythtv. I'm running on gentoo, installed myth from the gentoo ebuild. I was on the gentoo-sources 2.6.23 kernel until this morning (i tried the 2.6.24 kernel, havent played with it much yet) I have followed just about every tutorial I can find out there, and I can't get anything. I'd be happy to get Analog OR digital at this time, so...

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justinh:

what cpu?

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chasep_work:

...something works. Anyone have any other resources I may have missed?

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code-r:

AMD Duron(tm)

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code-r:

1260.086

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Seeker`:

Kazan: what utilization did you get for SD on the 2500+?

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justinh:

code-r: should use less CPU than that, or are durons more crap than I think? ;)

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Kazan:

Seeker`: less than 20%

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directhex:

duron? how quaint! i remember my duron :)

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Kazan:

WWAAAAANNNNTTTTT: Djimon Hounsou

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Kazan:

doh

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Kazan:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889248023

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code-r:

justinh: not using xv yet

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Kazan:

bad copy paste

[15:18:03]

Kazan:

bad

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Kazan:

though.. djimon hounsou is a damn good actor

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code-r:

xvmc

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justinh:

my athlon 800 uses about 50% CPU playing back SDT Vwithout xvmc

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Kazan:

(Stargate, Gladiator, Blood Diamond, etc)

[15:18:38]

Seeker`:

Kazan: Hmm, I have a 2700+, I'm getting 17% mythfrontend and 2% mythbackend, is that reasonable?

[15:18:40]

justinh:

stargate. pfft

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Kazan:

Seeker`: yup

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Kazan:

the movie justinh.. though the show was good

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Kazan:

until they brought in the guy from farscape

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justinh:

there's a movie? rofl

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code-r:

i dont see playbackl profiles

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Kazan:

you didn't know there is a stargate movie?!

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code-r:

only recording profiles

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Kazan:

what friggen planet do you live on

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code-r:

and {playback"

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Kazan:

code-r: playback

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code-r:

Kazan: they are making 3 stargate SG1 movies!

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Kazan:

profiles are in a window in playback

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Kazan:

code-r: two AFAIK

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code-r:

Kazan: only two =( booo

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code-r:

Kazan: o miss sg1!

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code-r:

oo altantis airs today!

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Kazan:

in the stargate movie, the original, o'neill was played by the guy from Solider... what is his name

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Kazan:

curt russel?

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GreyFoxx:

Kurt Russel

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code-r:

yeh

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code-r:

wasnt a fan of him

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code-r:

or daniel jackson

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code-r:

:)

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justinh:

Solider? man you watch some films I've never heard of

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Kazan:

what fucking planet do you live on not to have ever seen soldier

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GreyFoxx:

KR majorly buffed up for Soldier

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Kazan:

that's definitive sci-fi there

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justinh:

ahh Scifi. that explains everything

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Kazan:

http://imdb.com/find?s=all&q=soldier&x=0&y=0

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GreyFoxx:

Soldier was the first DVD I ripped to put on my mythbox :)

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Kazan:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0120157/

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Kazan:

last link was miscopy

[15:22:03]

Kazan:

again

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Kazan:

this one is the right one

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justinh:

I'm the guy who rented that stupid alien war flick with Denise Richards which came on a double-sided DVD. It was so crap I couldn't be arsed getting up to turn the disc over.

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Seeker`:

Is there a way of changing which recording profile LiveTV uses?

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Kazan:

and here is the one for stargate: http://imdb.com/title/tt0111282/

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: Starship Troopers :)

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justinh:

Starshi Troopers. that was it. wow

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Kazan:

justinh: STarship Troopers

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justinh:

complete dirge

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Kazan:

bad movie, hot chick

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GreyFoxx:

Seeker`: nope.

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code-r:

is this with current video plaback profile?

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GreyFoxx:

But you can edit the LiveTV profile ;)

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Seeker`:

GreyFoxx: It always uses the LiveTv recording profile then?

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GreyFoxx:

for LiveTV yes

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code-r:

where i select cpu ---

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justinh:

is she even real? always thought she looked computer generated

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GreyFoxx:

you can alter it for recordings

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justinh:

annoying too

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Seeker`:

GreyFoxx: cool.

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Kazan:

code-r: see the items below "cpu --"

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code-r:

it has ivtv

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code-r:

then xvcm

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Kazan:

http://images.google.com/images?q=denise+rich . . . amp;ct=title

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Kazan:

NSFW if you don't have safesearch enabled

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justinh:

Kazan: you might aswell put me down as one of those 'weird' people who don't like Scifi much past ST:TNG & X-files

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code-r:

any one here run S-Video with nvidia? help me with modeline and res

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justinh:

code-r: modelines won't do you any good

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code-r:

justinh: should i be running at 720x480 or 800x600

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Kazan:

you like TNG... but you don't like other scifi

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justinh:

just use 800x600 & let nvidia-settings adjust the overscan

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Kazan:

you my friend, are weird

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Kazan:

because TNG is some of the campy-est annoying scifi

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justinh:

Kazan: all the other trek spinoffs were crap

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Kazan:

hardly

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Kazan:

TNG was crap

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justinh:

verily

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Kazan:

too "goodie goodie"

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justinh:

boohoo

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Kazan:

DS9 and Enterprise were much better

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Kazan:

not to mention in enterprise they had real uniforms

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code-r:

Kazan: NOT the firs 3 sesons.. the but last ones wqhew awsome – ds9

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Kazan:

stupid federation moronic uniform design

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Kazan:

yeah the first three season were not what they could have been

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Kazan:

but season 4 was the absolute friggen bomb

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justinh:

the problem with Star Trek is.. Trekkies :)

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Kazan:

supposedly season 5 and season 6 were supposed to be the earth romulan war

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code-r:

justinh: cuasae me text shakes a bit on OSD

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justinh:

wtf?!

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justinh:

cuasae ???????????????

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** justinh plugs in in the Voodoo-English converter **

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code-r:

and where is deinterlacing on myth 20 LoL

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code-r:

cuasase= Cause

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justinh:

tv playback settings

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Kazan:

svideo is interlaced code-r

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justinh:

if you're using svideo out on nvidia, open nvidia-settings & turn the flicker filter to halfway

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code-r:

Kazan: good ploint.. lOl

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Kazan:

which is probably what is making your OSD do that

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Kazan:

ooh good call justinh

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code-r:

hmm

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justinh:

use the flicker filter. no need to deinterlace then, and the OSD will be more steady

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Seeker`:

the text on my OSD does'nt look quite right

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Seeker`:

some of the characters "collide"

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code-r:

wtf saying im not running nvidia..

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Kazan:

heh

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Kazan:

you're probably running nv

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Kazan:

vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf

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code-r:

Driver "nvidia"

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justinh:

ahh that'll be why your CPU usage is so high then

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code-r:

nop

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justinh:

heh

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code-r:

xconfig -> http://pastebin.ca/850894

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Kazan:

are you able to do direct rendering?

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Kazan:

(glxinfo | grep direct IIRC)

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** code-r shrugs **

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Kazan:

find out

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code-r:

glxinfo | grep direct

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code-r:

direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)

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code-r:

OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect

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Kazan:

turn AIGLX off... nvidia has it's own internal

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code-r:

spoke to soon :-S

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Kazan:

cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log > pastebin.ca

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code-r:

http://pastebin.ca/850899

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Kazan:

#

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Kazan:

(EE) Failed to load module "XVideo" (module does not exist, 0)

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code-r:

hmmmm

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code-r:

i just saw that

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code-r:

?!?!?

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Kazan:

don't think you need an explicit load for that

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Kazan:

i believe it's a built-in part of the driver

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code-r:

possibly..ill get rid of it..

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Kazan:

(**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration

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Kazan:

infact you don't need any of those loads

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Kazan:

(**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration

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Kazan:

erg

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Kazan:

bad copy

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Kazan:

#

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Kazan:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): The NVIDIA X driver has encountered too many errors. Falling

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Kazan:

#

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Kazan:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): back to legacy PCI mode.

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Kazan:

you probably need to add "agp=off" to your boot kernel options

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Kazan:

and it's odd that you're getting indirect rendering

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Seeker`:

how much would computer equipment interfere with a portable aerial?

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iamlindoro:

minimally

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Seeker`:

ihmm

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Seeker`:

havign the monitor next to the aerial seems to make the picture worse :(

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iamlindoro:

CRT?

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Seeker`:

TFT

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code-r:

Kazan: its an agp card though...

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code-r:

why woudld i turn of agp.

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Kazan:

code-r: to let the nvidia driver use it's agpgart

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code-r:

Kazan: which module do i set agp=off ot

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code-r:

wait boot kernel

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Kazan:

your boot options

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code-r:

duu

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Kazan:

in grub.conf

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Kazan:

or lilo or whatever

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code-r:

kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.23.9–85.fc8 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet agp=off

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Kazan:

bingo

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** code-r feels like a noob **

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code-r:

damit

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code-r:

i cant grub-install /dev/sda

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code-r:

:(

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code-r:

"/dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive."

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code-r:

stupid fedora!

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siXy:

code-r: /dev/sda1 perhaps?

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code-r:

tried

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code-r:

same

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code-r:

before fedora 8 it was /dev/hda and workd fine

[16:16:05]

code-r:

now fedora calls it sda and it no work

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code-r:

and yes

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siXy:

yeah, i'm sure thats the problem...

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code-r:

/dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw)

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code-r:

:-S do i need to grub install if i change the menu

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code-r:

lol

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siXy:

what do you menaby changed the menu?

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code-r:

/boot/grub/menu.lst

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siXy:

oh. then no, you don't need to do anything other than rebot

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siXy:

reboot*

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code-r:

ok after a reboot i get

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code-r:

Checking for module nvidia.ko: [FAILED]

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code-r:

nvidia.ko for kernel 2.6.23.9–85.fc8 was not found. [WARNING]

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code-r:

wtf???

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code-r:

/lib/modules/2.6.23.9–85.fc8/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko

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code-r:

stupid init

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code-r:

was looking for /lib/modules/2.6.23.9–85.fc8/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidia.ko

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code-r:

when the file was in /lib/modules/2.6.23.9–85.fc8/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko

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directhex:

go go gadget fedora

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code-r:

:-P

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justinh:

there you go again, selling fedora to us

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code-r:

=)

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directhex:

justinh, IME, RPM-based distributions are enormously fragile. they can come with an enormous amount of polish, but the slightest deviation from what was on the orignal install disc and things get very fuzzy very quickly

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justinh:

I read that as 'maybe ubuntu isn't all that bad after all' :P

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directhex:

justinh, it's more tollerant of user fiddling. except for the mysql setup ;)

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sid:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . 6814161166R'

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sid:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161166R rather

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directhex:

sid, radeon :/

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sid:

A card like that, 3d accel works great with xorg's "ati" driver, but with DVI/tvout to an HDTV, will xorg's ati driver work?

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sid:

Or do you need fglrx to use HDTV out?

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justinh:

don'

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justinh:

don't even consider ATI for linux

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sid:

Why not?

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sid:

Nvidia is only proprietary drivers

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sid:

At least ATI's older cards have specs released, and 3d accel works

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justinh:

so? they work

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directhex:

justinh, insistance on Free rather than Best

[16:38:52]

justinh:

you can muh muh muh free & open all you want, but if they just don't work you're boned

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sid:

yes, this is my goal

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directhex:

sid, all outputs on the card ought to work. whether the driver allows non-edid modelines or not (some drivers don't) i don't know. whether it'll work properly i don't know. i don't have money to burn to spend 3x more on more headaches

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justinh:

good job there aren't more people like me then eh? ;) Free as in beer is fine by me

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directhex:

i like Best. and i don't mind paying for software (hell, i have 2 windows licenses for this pc). i just happen to think linux is best, and nvidia is best

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directhex:

justinh, see also: i use vmware, not something like qemu

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directhex:

i play quake 4, not tux racer \o/

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code-r:

ok i disabled agp (agp=off) in kernel and i still getr

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code-r:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized AGP GART.

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code-r:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): The NVIDIA X driver has encountered too many errors. Falling

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code-r:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): back to legacy PCI mode.

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jams:

directhex- glad to hear you say that. As long as the software is good quality AND a decent price.

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directhex:

jams, they're part of the same equation

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jams:

right

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jams:

like photoshop is decent quality but not so decent of price.

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directhex:

jams, one thing that pisses me the hell off is software piracy – people who use msoffice when they only need the feature set of OOo

[16:44:03]

jams:

however vmware is.

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directhex:

jams, or even using stolen "pro" versions of apps with free "personal" versions, despite only needing the "personal" features

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jams:

heh i really like ooocalc over excel.

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justinh:

<3 PSP 9

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justinh:

<3 Sony Vegas.. worth every penny

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jams:

i "might" buy that pixel software, need to kick the tires on it some more.

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directhex:

i always preferred psp to the alternatives

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directhex:

though the last version i used was unstable beyond belief

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justinh:

psp 10 is pooey

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justinh:

corel have ruined it

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jams:

just like word perfect

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code-r:

yay direct rendering: Yes

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code-r:

but why do i get AGP errors

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justinh:

erm... quick q.. is that r5000 effort legal?

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justinh:

as in the r5000-hd ?

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justinh:

jeees! modified STBs for anything up to $725 a piece. man they must be desperate

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justinh:

smells highly illegal too

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mkrufky:

Kazan: Steve just issues a pull request for basic analog support of cx23885

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mkrufky:

Kazan: and he'll be merging in the encoder support later this week (or next)

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mkrufky:

Kazan: so... there's your good news

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justinh:

"we can't open source the software mutter mutter mutter". yeah right. that's prolly cos you're dumping a TS out over a USB port & decrippling it in software you scabbards :P

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mkrufky:

s/issues/issued

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justinh:

mkrufky: I never did get around to testing that crazy leadtek pvr card for you. sorry!

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mkrufky:

Kazan: cx23885 support ~~ hvr1800 / hvr1500 / hvr1250 + others

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mkrufky:

justinh: no worries

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mkrufky:

justinh: unfortunately, i lack time to investigate that problem now

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mkrufky:

too many other projects

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mkrufky:

justinh: whever you are in the mood to work on that again, let me know and i'll see what i can do

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justinh:

me too

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blackest:

r5000hd a sat box with a usb port to allow dumping to a pc ?

[17:32:05]

justinh:

I don't mind fiddling with code these days

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mkrufky:

actually, i kinda forgot what the issue was, justinh

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mkrufky:

what _was_ the issue?

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justinh:

blackest: yeah but it's shhhhh.. naughty

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justinh:

mkrufky: can't remember. audio muxer bits or something

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mkrufky:

was is broken audio from svideo / composite?

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blackest:

i was looking at a darkbox much simpler just connect a usb hd to it

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blackest:

not hd thou

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mkrufky:

blackest: there's a new device that will just encode h264 from component inputs via USB

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blackest:

if thats naughty isnt a pvr150 naughty too

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mkrufky:

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/googl . . . ;newsLang=en

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mkrufky:

naughty. lol

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mkrufky:

i guess that all depends on the local prohibitions

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blackest:

ok pvr150 needs an analogue conversion first but its the same thing heck a vcr is just the same with lower resolution

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justinh:

mkrufky: I think all tuner audio was broken

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justinh:

blackest: they're modifying STBs

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justinh:

when 0.21 is out I'll def. put the tuner card on my todo list again :)

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justinh:

IIRC I got it to work encoding video input to mpeg2 just fine but the audio stream wasn't present – or was blank (can't remember which but there was no sound)

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blackest:

i've got an adaptech unit which does that

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justinh:

like I said I really don't mind hacking around the driver

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blackest:

actually i should take a look and see how the driver is coming on these days last year it worked but it was a bit unique which meant setting it to work from the command line

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justinh:

heh. my card's a bit 'special' like that too. LR6632

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mkrufky:

justinh: ok, cool

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mkrufky:

justinh: after this 2.6.25 merge window closes (it isnt even opened yet) then i'll have more time to work on that sort of thing

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mkrufky:

yeah, looks like we'll squeeze the cx23417 encoder support in time for 2.6.25 :-D

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justinh:

time to scootle orf home & open a bottle I think

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justinh:

ttfn

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mkrufky:

lata, justinh

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blackest:

anyone looked at orb software for pvr150 ?

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Kazan:

hey mkrufky

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Kazan:

how's it going

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Kazan:

orb software?

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Kazan:

any stargate fans around?

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blackest:

yes i was just looking on hauppauge website the software is free and sets up streaming from hauppauge card

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blackest:

kind of a slingbox type thing

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Kazan:

?

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Kazan:

who needs slingbox when you have myth :P

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blackest:

slingbox does allow you to send your output over the internet

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blackest:

if myth can do that i am very interested

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mkrufky:

hi, Kazan

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blackest:

especially if it will stream my previous recordings

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code-r:

blackest: yes its called mythweb

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Yahooadam:

you can stream over the net with mythtv ...

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code-r:

blackest: it has a youtube like player :)

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mkrufky:

mythweb rocks

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blackest:

mythweb is what I use for tvguide ect..

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blackest:

or is that only in cvs that it works

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directhex:

svn

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code-r:

blackest: its the one with the listings

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code-r:

blackest: if you go to recoreded programs..

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code-r:

click on the program

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code-r:

there is a player right there

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code-r:

u have to have ffmpeg installed

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blackest:

click on the program name ?

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code-r:

http://download.yousendit.com/A13CDE2258D95480

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blackest:

open with movieplayer ?

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code-r:

no

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code-r:

look

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code-r:

http://download.yousendit.com/A13CDE2258D95480

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mkrufky:

this is only in 0.21, right?

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code-r:

*shrug* i only use bleading edge

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mkrufky:

well, i know i dont have it in my install

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mkrufky:

ok

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code-r:

besides its just a plugin :-P

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code-r:

its all php

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code-r:

just pullthe svn and copy over mythweb ..,. no compiling necessary

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mkrufky:

yeah, but i am package-managed....

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mkrufky:

so, i'll wait till it's released

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directhex:

i have a rat. he is fuzzy

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code-r:

mkrufky: sooo.. just throw it in anyway.... its just a bunch of php files and 1 apache config file....

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code-r:

i wtach tv at work all the time :)

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iamlindoro__:

SVN mythweb won't work on .20

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code-r:

booo =(

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mkrufky:

ya think it can work well enough over ssh, over 10–15 hops ?

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code-r:

mkrufky: just lower the bitrate.. but yeh.. it should :)

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, I use the mythweb player in similar/same conditions

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iamlindoro__:

And that's with stinky cable internet upstream :)

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blackest:

however that means i need to redo my backends and frontends to get the svn versions

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blackest:

wonder why mythweb 0.21 php wouldnt work with a 0.20 backend?

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xris:

because the backend changes the API?

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mkrufky:

very cool

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mkrufky:

i gotta go — lunchtime

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mkrufky:

tty later

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blackest:

it looks great but its going to totally wreck my existing setup if i get it all right

[18:02:32]

blackest:

i got package conflicts last time i tried

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iamlindoro__:

SVN is easy enough to do so long as you remove *all* packaged myth-anything first

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iamlindoro__:

Leaving anything packaged, no matter how small, is asking for trouble

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blackest:

from all systems ...

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iamlindoro__:

yup

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blackest:

I guess i could trial it on my backend slave

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iamlindoro__:

Only if you want your backend slave not to be able to talk to the master

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blackest:

well if i do the slave then its just one missing tuner

[18:05:41]

blackest:

and the main system is still working while i pull my hair out getting it working properly

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blackest:

the slave just records satellite for me anyway

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blackest:

actually i wouldnt need a mythfrontend compatible with cvs would i

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blackest:

since i am going to use the new mythweb to pull streams from this svn backend

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iamlindoro__:

slave backend isn't going to work to well without a master to talk to

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iamlindoro__:

er too

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iamlindoro__:

and it's SVN, not cvs

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blackest:

yes i know i meant strip myth from it and make it a stand alone system

[18:09:38]

iamlindoro__:

you mean a fresh master backend? yes, that would work.

[18:09:43]

blackest:

yes

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xris:

blackest: the backend API changes in svn, as does the database layout.. communicates in different formats. you can't plug non-trunk into trunk svn

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blackest:

so which svn version to use ?

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iamlindoro__:

in general, whatever the revision is at the time you check it out... but if you're using SVN, you kinda have to pay attention to the dev and commit lists to know what's going on

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iamlindoro__:

So you can time your updates appropriately

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iamlindoro__:

or avoid particularly nasty bugs... and there is at least one fairly nasty one in mythweb right now

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xris:

no mythweb bugs

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XLV:

anyone, thats http://www.camber.gr/productrec.asp?PUC=1335 the ms mce remote, than can be programmed to power on a linux mythtv pc?

[18:12:15]

FinnTux:

anyone have any idea when multirec feature is merged into trunk? I'm really looking forward to that...

[18:12:20]

xris:

the thumbnail one is in the backend, not mythweb

[18:12:21]

iamlindoro__:

ok, one *triggered* by mythweb

[18:12:51]

blackest:

how bad a bug is it

[18:13:14]

iamlindoro__:

It makes your backend CPU usage go to 100% when you go to Recorded Programs

[18:13:34]

iamlindoro__:

but you can comment out the thumbnail generation and it works fine

[18:14:07]

blackest:

the thumb nail isnt just a jpeg is it

[18:14:15]

iamlindoro__:

It's a PNG

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

XLV: I've heard it can power on the system by using the MCE USB receiver, and setting your motherboard's bios to wake on keyboard... And setting it to the value sent by pressing the remote's power key...

[18:15:28]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

XLV: Or having an IR reciever that's specifically designed to do that, like the one in my Antec Fusion Black 430 case... The IR receiver is powered by standby power, and has connectors for the motherboard power coming from it. (the standard power button passes 'thru' the ir receiver/vfd controller)

[18:15:37]

XLV:

J-e-f-f-A|work, thanks... i am getting it.. i have been trying to get an old bt878 with an oncard remote to work, but today i got a pvr 250, so i am getting that remote

[18:15:59]

blackest:

iamlindoro: think i could have svn installed and running in 5 hours or would it take the weekend ?

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XLV:

plus i got some high quality s-video cable that game some nice quality on display ( yeah i know, still on pos 29" crt ;-) )

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

XLV: Again, it will only work with either a) an IR receiver that controls the motherboard's power switch, or b) a USB IR receiver that can trigger the bios to turn on the PC.

[18:16:36]

blackest:

i've plenty of coffee and cigerettes

[18:16:50]

iamlindoro__:

blackest, Depends entirely on you... could theoretically be done in under an hour if you knew Myth backwards and forwards, might take a lonnnnng time for some

[18:16:58]

XLV:

J-e-f-f-A|work, so needs bios support for usb wake up?

[18:17:19]

XLV:

wake on usb

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XLV:

wake on kb sorry

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XLV:

got it

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blackest:

ok i gave up with it before mainly coz it was going to disrupt everything

[18:18:03]

blackest:

however as a seperate system it might not be too bad

[18:18:17]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

XLV: I haven't done it myself, but I read a thread that if your bios supports wake-on-kb, it can be setup to work. I think you also need to set an ACPI flag in Linux to preserve it when you shutdown... (you'll have to do some googling...)

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blackest:

iamlindoro can you recommend any good howto's for svn setup ?

[18:19:59]

iamlindoro__:

what distro?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

blackest: I had a bit of a struggle going from 0.20.1 to SVN, but I didn't remove all my packaged stuff first... (I didn't know at the time...) Once I did that, it's been working great for several months now, upgrading every once in a while.

[18:20:26]

blackest:

well its currently ubuntu 7.10 i think

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iamlindoro__:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation

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iamlindoro__:

that all applies (in the compiling myth from source) section even though it's for dapper

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iamlindoro__:

just need to check out SVN instead of the release version

[18:22:27]

blackest:

ok i had better make a coffee read and then get cracking

[18:22:50]

raden_work:

whats the best base linux OS to run with Myth ?

[18:23:04]

iamlindoro__:

raden_work, *totally* dependant on the individual

[18:23:10]

iamlindoro__:

what is your linux experience level?

[18:23:14]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

^^^^ exactly...

[18:23:17]

raden_work:

so SUSE or ubuntu should work just fine ?

[18:23:23]

iamlindoro__:

Don't use SuSE

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iamlindoro__:

Ubuntu works well, though

[18:23:43]

raden_work:

iamlindoro, 7 years worth in a IT enviroment.

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raden_work:

Suse is bad ?

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iamlindoro__:

raden_work, Then you should be fine

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iamlindoro__:

My understanding is that SuSE's repository version isn't even .20.2, just plain old .20.... which, in the US, is a bad thing

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

raden_work: I started with Fedora (main backend is still FC6), just built a test backend on Ubuntu

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iamlindoro__:

(tm)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

raden_work: I like the fact that Ubuntu seems to boot twice as fast as my FC6 system, even though the processor is nearly 1/2 as fast on the Ubuntu system...

[18:25:56]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro__: But couldn't he build from SVN source?

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iamlindoro__:

J-e-f-f-A|work, He *could*, but the gods honest truth is I've heard there are a variety of reasons not to go with SuSE and I don't recall any of the others :)

[18:26:50]

iamlindoro__:

That was the one that came immediately to mind

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro__: yeah, I think I've heard others say to the same thing about SuSE now that I think about it... ;-)

[18:27:58]

raden_work:

i like suse cause of YAST :( and i hate it cause of yast very love hate relationship

[18:28:29]

jhulst:

Sorry, I joined a little late, but I use Suse as a frontend and it works well

[18:28:33]

iamlindoro__:

raden_work, Certainly in terms of the level of support and experience, there are exponentially more Ubuntu myth users

[18:28:40]

** J-e-f-f-A|work liked Susie becase she was FINE! (oops Susie != SuSE) **

[18:29:45]

blackest:

looks like most everything with svn can be done using open-ssh and the command line

[18:30:05]

iamlindoro__:

blackest, Yep, I svn up over SSH from work, usually

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blackest:

one question thou is it better to build the individual packages rather than the big make file in the root

[18:30:43]

raden_work:

well 1230 ubuntu users in IRC compared to 273 in SUSE LOL

[18:30:52]

raden_work:

might have to go with the flow pretty soon :P

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jhulst:

raden_work: But how many of those Ubuntu users know what they are talking about? :)

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iamlindoro__:

raden_work, That's just the distro users, you're probably talking double digits SuSu *myth* users in this channel at the most

[18:31:17]

iamlindoro__:

er Suse

[18:31:46]

iamlindoro__:

Versus, I would say it might be near 50% Ubuntu/Ubuntu based Myth users (anecdotally speaking, of course)

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raden_work:

iamlindoro, ?

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blackest:

and the rest fedora ?

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iamlindoro__:

you said 1230 ubuntu users/273 Suse... Those aren't all *myth* users

[18:32:43]

** Seeker` is a mythbuntu user **

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iamlindoro__:

If there was one SuSe user to every four Ubuntu users amongst myth users I would be *shocked*... doubt it is near that high

[18:33:12]

iamlindoro__:

*maybe* one to every ten or twenty

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raden_work:

ok anyway

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blackest:

ok any packages need removing that dont have myth in the name ? prior to switching to svn ?

[18:36:39]

raden_work:

any recomendations for tuner card ?

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raden_work:

and is there a card that can support digital cable ?

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jams:

anybody else get a popping sound when using the Internal dvd player and skipping chapters?

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iamlindoro__:

jams, yeah, sometimes

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jams:

i get it all the time, most annoying

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iamlindoro__:

I think it may have something to do with AC3, but I might be mistaken

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jams:

i'm not using ac3

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iamlindoro__:

hm

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iamlindoro__:

mm

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jams:

wonder if it's because i'm using OSS vs alsa

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jams:

been that way for the last few months but never really looked into it.

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justinh:

jams: I used to get that skipping tracks in mythmusic & whenever playback started & finished. not any more, but now when outputting DTS or AC3 over passthrough I get weird digital noise over the analogue outputs

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justinh:

jams: I think the popping might be caused by the same thing which caused it in mythmusic – releasing the device & grabbing it back again

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jams:

very possible

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jams:

i don't get it with mythmusic

[19:05:57]

justinh:

it was changed in mythmusic

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jams:

it's just super annoying when flipping though several chapters.

[19:06:29]

justinh:

maybe a similar change needs to happen in the dvd playing code

[19:06:32]

jams:

it's more a screech then a pop.

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DGnome:

dvd chapter jumping tends to make that digital sound artefact noise :/

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justinh:

worth checking to see if the audio device is released & grabbed back again meantime though

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justinh:

also probably worth checking to see if it happens when seeking inside other streams with ac3 audio

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jams:

right, need to find one first =)

[19:09:02]

justinh:

just play a vob on its own I spose. without the other control data it's just a PS

[19:09:26]

jams:

right need to find one

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justinh:

it could be that the chapter jump isn't on keyframes & it's genuinely digital noise caused by that

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justinh:

but AFAIK chapter marks _should_ be at keyframe boundaries

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justinh:

plenty to go on for now eh ;)

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Kazan:

anyone got any recommendations for a good universal remote to get off newegg

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Kazan:

te cheap radioshack 6 in 1 i have is starting to die

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iamlindoro__:

Everyone seems to love their Harmony, if you have the $$$

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Kazan:

how much is it

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iamlindoro__:

Depends on which you get, up to a few hundred

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sn9:

why does it need to be universal? $1 random thing at a surplus store + lirc + ir blaster = much more versatile

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iamlindoro__:

Just go search it there yourself to find out

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Kazan:

sn9: i don't need a blaster

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Kazan:

i said "universal" because that is what most of the cheap generic remotes are

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sn9:

Kazan: then it does not need to be universal or generic — go to a garage sale or something, and get a working remote intended for some specific device from which it somehow got separated

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Seeker`:

I've ordered a Cyberlink Media Center Remote Control – With Mini USB IR Receiver

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sn9:

if you're willing to put up with the usb dongles that make them work, any winmce remote should be just fine

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Kazan:

i have a serial receiver

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Kazan:

i'm just looking to replace an existing remote that is going out

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sn9:

the homebrew kind? excellent

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sn9:

what i said applies

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Kazan:

it's from the one guy that makes them and sells them

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Kazan:

i have a combo IR reciver/blaster for serial as well hiding around here somewhere

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Kazan:

from when i used to slave a STB

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Kazan:

WTB: DVI USB KVM switch

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xris:

Kazan: good luck wth that.. I've never had any luck with USB kvm switches

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Kazan:

FFS

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Kazan:

xris: oh?

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Kazan:

doesn't switch USB between devices properly?

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xris:

too many keyboards aren't "keyboards" but "human interface devices"

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xris:

the ones I've used *require* a keyboard to be plugged in

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Kazan:

...

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Kazan:

when was this?

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** Gumby has a USB KVM switch that works great. **

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sn9:

dvi kvm is something that was all the rage when dvi first appeared, but i haven't seen any in a while

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Seeker`:

i've nto had problems with Belkin USB KVMs

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Gumby:

I have a startech

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** sn9 also uses a belkin usb kvm **

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Kazan:

they're $90

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Gumby:

probably a rebranded something or other

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Kazan:

but i just remembered i'm not routing the video through the kvm

[19:50:17]

Kazan:

just forgot that i was for a second

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sn9:

Gumby:

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sn9:

Gumby: no

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Kazan:

just getting it so my wife doesn't need two keyboards and mice

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sn9:

startech is an oem

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xris:

Kazan: over the last few years.. belkin brand

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xris:

I pondered one for my new macbook, but am thinking I may just drop my linux box completely... run fedora inside of vmware

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MilhousePunkRock:

Hello everyone!

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sn9:

no "everyone" here...

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MilhousePunkRock:

On DVB-T, is channel changing speed related to the signal strength/quality?

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Gumby:

are we allowed to discuss DVB-S here or is it completely off topic ?

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daviessm:

hi, anyone know what the 'recordedprogram' database holds?

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iamlindoro__:

Probably more related to the resolutions and bitrate/how long it takes to buffer adequately

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iamlindoro__:

yes, DVB-s in on-topic, so long as it relates to myth

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sn9:

Gumby: dvb-s is ok, just not cam shenanigans

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iamlindoro__:

^^^ indeed

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Gumby:

sn9: hehe, ok. I guess my question is more cam related than anything

[19:55:03]

iamlindoro__:

CAM is ok, SOFTcam is not

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Gumby:

s/cam/SOFTcam

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sn9:

hence, "shenanigans"

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Gumby:

:)

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iamlindoro__:

yup

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: did you confirm 705 to be 5C'ed? run into any other 5C?

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iamlindoro__:

sn9, Yeah, 705 was, A&EHD, TBSHD, CinemaxHD, annnnd.... ShowtimeHD, I think , were my only ones

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iamlindoro__:

I get everything else in the clear

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iamlindoro__:

DicoveryHD/NGCHD/HistoryHD/HBOHD are all ok/no %c

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iamlindoro__:

er 5C

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iamlindoro__:

as well as all the other random SD and HD channels, Comedy, SciFi, UniversalHD, etc

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iamlindoro__:

So I just erased 705 from my lineup and will get that via QAM, and I can live without the other couple, no big deal... worth it to get the other hundred some-odd

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sn9:

hmm, when i tested in foster city, A&EHD, TBSHD, CinemaxHD had no 5C, and showtime was not subscribed

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blackest:

iamlindoro: do i need to alter any of the defaults after i download the source with svn

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iamlindoro__:

So different, but minimally so

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iamlindoro__:

blackest, depends entirely on your system

[20:00:07]

iamlindoro__:

I will show you my configure line for mythtv

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iamlindoro__:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-dvb --enable-xvmc --enable-opengl-vsync --enable-opengl-video

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sn9:

history-sd-analog had 5C, though

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iamlindoro__:

sn9, checked both the SD and HD and both were open

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sn9:

history-int'l-sd-digital was open

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blackest:

thats in the mythtv source directory

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sn9:

history-hd was not even in the lineup, at least at the time

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iamlindoro__:

blackest, yes

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blackest:

ok thank you

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sn9:

ups here

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iamlindoro__:

sn9, Some of the HD lineup has cycled the good stuff out, for sure... when I got the service installed Universal HD was running Firefly in HD and Galactica, and a bunch of other fun stuff... now, just Galactica in HD, which is still good.

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iamlindoro__:

But would love to get me some Firefly

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sn9:

the wall mount has arrived

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iamlindoro__:

for your TV?

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sn9:

sanus visionmount full-motion wall mount for medium flat-panel TVs 15"-40" model mf202-s1 and widescreen adapter model ma1a-b1

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iamlindoro__:

Nice. I love nice clean setups, tore walls open to make sure mine would be very minimalist looking

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sn9:

i am not going to tear open a pre-drywall era plaster wall just for this

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EnderTheThird:

haha

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sn9:

the primary reason i chose this model

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EnderTheThird:

you guys see the spec on that new $199 Shuttle Linux PC?

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iamlindoro__:

naw

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mkrufky-away:

i wasnt impressed

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mkrufky:

i build my last shuttle p4 by spending only $250

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mkrufky:

(plus reuse of parts i already had)

[20:13:29]

EnderTheThird:

well, it's not really "impressive" aside from the price point, which isn't bad at all

[20:13:35]

iamlindoro__:

I had a mythbox built in a shuttle box about three or so years ago... That thing overheated like nobody's business

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mkrufky:

ah, you must have built that RIGHT BEFORE they started with the cool ice technology,. or whatever they call it

[20:14:13]

** sn9 is glad /me chose sff over xpc — almost went the other way **

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EnderTheThird:

i'd *hope* that overheating wouldn't be as bad when it's pre-built and designed to have those specific components

[20:14:17]

mkrufky:

my box is ice cold

[20:14:23]

mkrufky:

well, thats an exageration

[20:14:41]

iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, nice, good to hear they've improved it... I ran it with sides off and it *still* sounded like a jet engine and got super hot

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mkrufky:

yeah ive actually noticed that after a few years the cooling doesnt work as well, so the fan got louder :-/

[20:16:04]

mkrufky:

but i was actually thinking of building myself a new shuttle, if they make one with 2 pcie slots... (3, including 2 x1 and 1 x16)

[20:16:09]

iamlindoro__:

OT, but I set up a web cam last night to watch my dog while I'm at work last night... I wish I hadn't, it's depressing me. She's been sitting at the door for four hours.

[20:16:09]

blackest:

iamlindoro i am sure you know the answer to this /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt

[20:16:11]

EnderTheThird:

i'm always a big fan of when a fan is about to go on your mobo and it makes a really high pitched squeal. gotta love it

[20:16:27]

mkrufky:

awwww, she misse su

[20:16:32]

mkrufky:

misses u

[20:16:33]

iamlindoro__:

blackest, did you make sure to apt-get build-dep mythtv before you started?

[20:16:35]

sn9:

iamlindoro__: :(, now you know

[20:16:49]

blackest:

knew there was something

[20:17:23]

EnderTheThird:

what do you use your pcie x1 slots for?

[20:17:24]

iamlindoro__:

the only way I know the cam is working (aside from the swimming mjpeg artifacts) is the fact that she got a drink of water once.

[20:17:29]

iamlindoro__:

tuners

[20:17:42]

iamlindoro__:

well, *he* uses them for tuners :)

[20:17:48]

EnderTheThird:

ah, my only internal tuner is PCI (old school, heh)

[20:17:55]

blackest:

have you seen the gstfakecamera device

[20:18:05]

code-r:

EnderTheThird: ya fream grabbers

[20:18:09]

iamlindoro__:

EnderTheThird, But presumably it's for ones he's writing the drivers for :)

[20:18:34]

iamlindoro__:

blackest, nope

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overridex:

alright, i'm really confused – for audio on my tv card, it's connected to line-in on my soundcard. For mythtv i have my line in turned up, but muted, and set to "capture" in alsamixer, and my capture setting is turned up. If i enabled capture on the "capture" mixer setting, mythtv records, but also i can hear line in playing all the time. If i disable capture on "capture" i hear nothing and mythtv records nothing.

[20:18:35]

overridex:

.. what the heck is going on?

[20:19:23]

sn9:

overridex: what kind of card (analog, digital, both)?

[20:19:40]

blackest:

its quite smart basically uses gstreamer to modify a cameras format to make it more compatible

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overridex:

sn9: it's a wintv go... just analog, and i think it can only do the audio via the line-in method

[20:20:02]

blackest:

got my quickcam messenger working with skype video with it

[20:20:06]

iamlindoro__:

sn9, Totally disheartening! I love my dog. She's getting a good run when I get home.

[20:20:17]

sn9:

overridex: 848 or 878?

[20:20:32]

overridex:

878

[20:20:45]

EnderTheThird:

i ran a mile for the first time in a while today, and i'm sick to boot. that was not fun

[20:20:57]

** EnderTheThird listens to the bt878 advice... **

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mkrufky:

EnderTheThird: sorry, was afk for a moment........ almost all of my dev work right now is based on PCIe tv capture cards

[20:21:08]

mkrufky:

*almost*

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iamlindoro__:

blackest, I bought an off-the-shelf Creative Live video IM somethingoranother last night and it worked OK out of the box (well, a *tiny* bit of tweaking to make it work properly with Zonealarm

[20:21:30]

AndyCap:

minder?

[20:21:36]

iamlindoro__:

yeah

[20:21:38]

iamlindoro__:

typo

[20:21:41]

EnderTheThird:

mkrufky: rock on

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blackest:

actually zoneealarm works fine with the quickcam

[20:22:01]

iamlindoro__:

EnderTheThird, Speaking of boot, I've been to it. :) So I get a little antsy when I don't run.

[20:22:09]

blackest:

pity its not capable of handling daylight

[20:22:28]

iamlindoro__:

blackest, AndyCap was right, I meant ZoneMinder, brain fart

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sn9:

overridex: you don't really need line-in at all

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blackest:

yep me too

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro__: i'm trying to get back into that groove. lost it when mcat prep went crazy over the summer, heh. it sucks feeling lazy all the time, lol

[20:23:09]

overridex:

sn9: how do i set it up without?... that's how i've ended up doing it in the past, but it's been a few years

[20:23:34]

overridex:

(i used line-in that is)

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iamlindoro__:

EnderTheThird, I can understand, though... Life does have a tendency to get in the way

[20:24:28]

sn9:

overridex: assuming the card is already whitelisted, just change all audio sampling rates to 48000 and the audio input device to what's usually /dev/adsp1

[20:24:34]

iamlindoro__:

Bummer about USB webcams is (camera nerd on) depth of field is so poor that they really make awful security cams

[20:25:17]

blackest:

yeah I used one temporarily when i got yet another camera nicked

[20:25:43]

blackest:

i've lost two color cctv cameras in the last cpl of months

[20:25:55]

code-r:

any one know if they even started development for the pvr 1600?

[20:26:07]

iamlindoro__:

code-r, Do you hean the HVR-1600?

[20:26:12]

blackest:

last one i was sure was high enough to be out of reach guess i was wrong

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sn9:

you might still be able to find the $30 nannycams at tigerdirect

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iamlindoro__:

yes, there is an experimental driver if you mean the HVR

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro__: yeah. granted i think we always actually have the time, it's just a lot harder to motivate yourself when you have so little of it, heh

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overridex:

sn9: ok, i'll give it a shot, how do i check if it's whitelisted?

[20:26:52]

blackest:

i got a nice bulldog cam now i think i might use as a webcam

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iamlindoro__:

EnderTheThird, And harder still when you let it go a while

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sn9:

overridex: check if snd-bt87x is autoloaded, assuming you're not on gentoo

[20:27:48]

blackest:

webcam with night vision auto focus and adjusts to extreme lighting conditions

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro__: exactly. i figure i'll try to keep running >= 3 days/week for at least a month, then start working out again. i enjoy working out, so i'd rather get my brain into running mode first, which takes a lot more force, heh

[20:28:31]

overridex:

sn9: hmm, yeah it's not loaded, i'm no ubuntu

[20:28:42]

iamlindoro__:

I force myself to combine my myth habit with exercise, so to be allowed to watch TV on the big screen I make myself do my curls or ride my road bike on the rollers

[20:28:42]

blackest:

any need to backup a database when its a fresh install from svn ?

[20:28:54]

iamlindoro__:

whilst watching, that is

[20:29:10]

iamlindoro__:

So if I watch TV, however long I watch is how much cardio I get, which is a good thing, I think

[20:29:20]

sn9:

overridex: then you'll have to put an "options" line in a file in /etc/modprobe.d

[20:29:20]

blackest:

guess that excuses panting while watchin porn ;)

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blackest:

sorry i couldnt resist

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overridex:

sn9: i have a options snd-bt87x index=-2 in the alsa-base file in that directory

[20:30:49]

sn9:

overridex: yeah, change that line

[20:31:20]

overridex:

sn9: to what? i can google if you don't know off the top of your head rather than having you poking around :)

[20:32:15]

blackest:

myth takes ages to compile

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sn9:

overridex: options snd-bt87x load_all=1

[20:32:45]

iamlindoro__:

ccache helps a lot the next time if you update frequently

[20:32:58]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro__: so you should really disable commflag ?

[20:33:07]

overridex:

sn9: thanks

[20:33:18]

blackest:

i will be glad if it works at all its a lot just so i can stream polish tv to my exwife

[20:33:24]

iamlindoro__:

AndyCap, I don't understand... hmm?

[20:33:31]

AndyCap:

cardio...

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blackest:

hopefully it will be better than a slingbox

[20:33:57]

iamlindoro__:

AndyCap, Heh, well still, even watchin an hour of TV a night without commercials is still a good 45 or so minute workout

[20:34:12]

** AndyCap is off to play DDR. **

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blackest:

make has to be the longest command in linux

[20:35:22]

sn9:

blackest: you stream tv over the interweb with myth?

[20:35:34]

AndyCap:

blackest: no. yes is.

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blackest:

not yet but hopefully maybe

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blackest:

or past recordings

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sn9:

for i minute there i thought you were living with your ex, but "not yet but hopefully maybe" is much more plausible

[20:37:29]

blackest:

no my ex is in a different country

[20:37:58]

blackest:

however she still had me setting up her printer for her last night

[20:38:07]

EnderTheThird:

blackest: shame on you

[20:38:52]

EnderTheThird:

you can do stuff like that for free for friends if it's alwasy been that way (unadvisable), but if you used to get booty for it, then you can't give her a discount to make it free

[20:38:53]

blackest:

what doing support for her after getting divorced

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EnderTheThird:

bad business practices ;-)

[20:39:16]

blackest:

i can always build up credit :)

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iamlindoro__:

or at least karma

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EnderTheThird:

credit for booty when she's out of the country?

[20:40:17]

EnderTheThird:

not sure that debt will be paid

[20:40:20]

blackest:

actually had a lucky escape this weekend kinda promised this lass to set up a sat system for her, after agreeing to it i was kickin myself

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: bad business practices in general are the norm in this new millennium

[20:40:55]

EnderTheThird:

sn9: i hear that

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sn9:

otherwise, nobody would have accepted vista

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blackest:

got out of it in the end, i was being a sucker for a pretty face

[20:41:30]

EnderTheThird:

the hotel i work at cheaped out when it came to setting up WiFi. I might start billing them $50 every time I help a guest get his laptop working because it's such a crappy network.

[20:42:19]

EnderTheThird:

i helped a girl put Ubuntu on her laptop (she was impressed with Compiz Fusion). she still owes me some for that

[20:42:56]

sn9:

you say that as if the guests could figure out how to get a non-crappy network any better

[20:43:30]

EnderTheThird:

sn9: understandable. i guess i mis-spoke. they have no available support when guests are too stupid to figure out how to connect on their own

[20:43:57]

sn9:

yes, and that is irrespective of the network's crappiness

[20:44:21]

EnderTheThird:

agreed. my communication was crappy there, heh

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blackest:

makes got to dvdringbuffer any idea if its much longer to compile

[20:45:26]

Kazan:

wow

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EnderTheThird:

although they do have a regular consumer grade gateway and access points hooked up, which aren't too great for reliability and/or performance

[20:45:35]

Kazan:

some lady in oregon got arrested for driving durnk

[20:45:38]

Kazan:

her BAC?

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Kazan:

.72

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blackest:

would i be best off making several small debian packages once i get this compile done for other frontends ect

[20:45:54]

Kazan:

.4 is supposed to be fatal

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iamlindoro__:

blackest, yes, you have a little while

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EnderTheThird:

kazan: in a sick and twisted way, that's kind of impressive

[20:46:45]

blackest:

I have no social life spending friday night compiling myth is just wrong

[20:46:50]

sn9:

Kazan: i thought the lethal limit was like .8 or .9

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EnderTheThird:

blackest: you're kinda preaching to the choir here, man

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iamlindoro__:

For reference, DVDRingBuf is in libs... and that's the first of seven things to be compiled ;)

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bsdfox_:

.72

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bsdfox_:

haha

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iamlindoro__:

sn9, Depends on state, but here in CA it's .08

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: the consumer tier is quite variable in its "grade"

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: you misread

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blackest:

.40 is the lethal 50% level

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iamlindoro__:

What did I misread?

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: what i typed

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iamlindoro__:

Ah, excuse me, you're right

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iamlindoro__:

my bad

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iamlindoro__:

(exposing my prior job here, but...) I have arrest a .42 before

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iamlindoro__:

er arrested

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blackest:

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/0 . . . -050104.html

[20:50:08]

sn9:

iamlindoro__: chp?

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iamlindoro__:

SJPD

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sn9:

ah

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blackest:

thats an impressive bal so high they thought the equipment was broke

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blackest:

0.914

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iamlindoro__:

Heh

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blackest:

and he was 67

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blackest:

he only got hospitalised coz he was hit by a car

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iamlindoro__:

When you hit double the limit, you definitely know better... the scary part is you can get to .08 and never even know you are there... that's why I never have more than a single drink when I am driving

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blackest:

I dont drink i drive for a living

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iamlindoro__:

yeah, don't want to lose your commercial, that's BAD news

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blackest:

well i need it at least till i get my degree next year

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blackest:

humm later this year hopefully

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iamlindoro__:

Here in California a regular driver loses their license for a year... A Class A (commercial) driver loses it for 2 years... Plus, it's basically automatic job loss for them.

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sn9:

bac is a poor predictor of driving ability — many drivers in this state drive far worse completely sober than some of the drunks

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overridex:

sn9: i should only have to change the audio options under the capture card settings in myth-setup right?

[20:55:45]

iamlindoro__:

sn9, But I wouldn't want to take that chance, particularly with my kids, with children, with other people's lives... would you?

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sn9:

overridex: no, the codec options also

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: you take the chance either way, around here

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iamlindoro__:

sn9, Then I'll take my chances with the drunks safely incarcerated, thanks :)

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sn9:

there's nothing you can do to make other [sober] ppl better drivers

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sn9:

drunks here are a drop in the bucket

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iamlindoro__:

Nope. But presumably one wants to stack the odds as heavily in their favor as possible by arresting drunk drivers, no?

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overridex:

sn9: is that in myth-setup or myth-frontend?

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sn9:

overridex: both

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overridex:

sn9: hmm.. [155895.065359] unknown card 0x878–0x70:0x13eb, using default rate 32000 didn't you say it should be 48000?

[21:00:21]

overridex:

that's from dmesg after loading the module...

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sn9:

overridex: obviously there's someplace you didn't change it to 48000

[21:01:28]

sn9:

oh, on loading? try ignoring that

[21:01:39]

overridex:

k

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EnderTheThird:

you ever felt like a total ass when you don't dress for the weather even though you have a widget on your desktop that gives you the damned weather forecast?

[21:03:01]

sn9:

EnderTheThird: what, you're not used to it?

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sn9:

i know i am

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mkrufky:

l8r

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: used to feeling like a total ass or used to checking the forecast?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

EnderTheThird: What's "Dressing for the weather"? ;-) I wear short-sleeve shirts year-round... ;-) I only need a coat when I'm outside...

[21:04:49]

iamlindoro__:

That's hardcore in Beantown

[21:04:51]

sn9:

EnderTheThird: used to not dressing for the weather, knowing what it'll be

[21:04:56]

iamlindoro__:

I just about lost a finger there once

[21:05:49]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Heck, I don't think I dug my windbreaker out of the closet until October last year... ;-)

[21:07:29]

sn9:

iamlindoro__: haha, i'm so weather-sensitive that i used to think that was hardcore _here_

[21:08:09]

iamlindoro__:

Heh... I did the t-shirt thing here growing up, then wore shorts and flip flops in the southwest where I went to school... then school in Boston... boy was THAT a shock

[21:08:29]

EnderTheThird:

best example is that it was in the 60s in NW ohio earlier this week, so then wed i wore a sweatshirt and didn't realize that it was cold again until i got into our open campus with the crazy wind

[21:09:06]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

EnderTheThird: Ooh, a heat wave this weekend... it's gonna be 46F tomorrow... ;-) (It's 40F outside now...)

[21:09:15]

EnderTheThird:

i got to campus and was so pissed, haha. didn't check the forecast cause i assumed it'd be lthe same as earlier in the week.

[21:09:57]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

EnderTheThird: Here in New England (Boston area) the forcast can change hourly, never-mind daily!

[21:10:47]

EnderTheThird:

ha

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sn9:

J-e-f-f-A|work: that's arguably still better than "microclimates"

[21:11:35]

sn9:

but not for me

[21:11:50]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

EnderTheThird: We've still got a significat amount of snow on the ground, despite it being 'somewhat' warm the last 3 or 4 days... (One day got up to 65 I think – broke a record)

[21:12:05]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

... significant even...

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EnderTheThird:

J-e-f-f-A|work: we had some snow still on the ground until the latest heat wave hit. global warming, you are ruining my snowboarding plans!

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** J-e-f-f-A|work Later... Gotta bring my son to work... ;-) ^^^ Still pleanty of snow on the mountains around here from what I understand... **

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EnderTheThird:

later dude

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EnderTheThird:

You guys checked out the Hardy Alpha yet?

[21:17:08]

sn9:

not me

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blackest:

i had to i have system with a seagate drive not supported in gutsy

[21:17:46]

sn9:

blackest: huh?

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GreyFoxx:

ummm huh?

[21:18:04]

EnderTheThird:

that's odd. i've never had an HDD not be supported

[21:18:21]

GreyFoxx:

You mean a IDE/SATA chipset not supported maybe ?

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blackest:

theres 2 seagate drives which work in feisty but are broken by gutsy its due to seagate having fake sectors

[21:18:36]

GreyFoxx:

That makes no sense

[21:18:44]

GreyFoxx:

that's not a distro level problem

[21:18:57]

sn9:

EnderTheThird: the first time i ever installed ubuntu was on the machine i'm typing this on. it was the breezy alpha

[21:19:09]

blackest:

the drive reports them but they dont actually exist so the system gets messed up trying to read the drive

[21:19:10]

GreyFoxx:

you are likely dealing with a SATA issue fixed in the newer kernel

[21:19:17]

cafuego:

EnderTheThird: I have a production web server running hardy, does that count? ;-)

[21:19:19]

blackest:

actually its pata

[21:19:28]

overridex:

clever: btw, a good solution to the windowed/fullscreen thing using compiz, is run mythtv in a window size you like, then when you want it full screen hit super+r, super+l (by default anyway) to zoom to the window size using enhanced desktop zoom :)

[21:19:32]

EnderTheThird:

i'm download the Hardy Alpha now to toss on this work computer. figure i'll try to contribute for once with some bug reports, heh

[21:19:38]

EnderTheThird:

*downloading

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sn9:

blackest: what capacity?

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EnderTheThird:

overridex: what windowed/fullscreen thing with compiz?

[21:21:06]

cafuego:

blackest: Is there any chance whatsoever that seagate have firmware updates for these drives to make them be not broken?

[21:21:08]

overridex:

EnderTheThird: just a workaround since mythtv can't toggle between fullscreen and windowed on the fly

[21:21:16]

EnderTheThird:

oh, got ya

[21:21:35]

code-r:

umm in lircrc "REPEAT", setting the value to 1 is the most repeats over time?

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iamlindoro__:

code-r, yes

[21:22:04]

iamlindoro__:

fastest repeat

[21:22:13]

code-r:

hmm... dam no way to speed it up?

[21:22:34]

iamlindoro__:

sorta limited by the speed at which your remote transmits

[21:22:39]

code-r:

yeh....

[21:22:47]

blackest:

well i think mine was a 20gb and the larger one was 40gb

[21:23:05]

code-r:

now if only i could figure out how to get the dam volume to work!

[21:23:35]

iamlindoro__:

code-r, With what output?

[21:23:46]

sn9:

cafuego: OT: i haven't taken a look at your google earth pkg yet. is it based on wjl's pkg for debian? (the one that intentionally violates google's eula)

[21:23:58]

iamlindoro__:

That is often fixed by changing to the correct mixer in mythtv's General settings

[21:24:10]

cafuego:

sn9: if anything, it's the other way around.

[21:24:23]

blackest:

Seagate ST320413A is the 20gb drive

[21:24:40]

cafuego:

sn9: I did mine from scratch, so it's not based off anyone's work (apart from Google's of course :-)

[21:24:42]

sn9:

cafuego: the reason i ask is that i have a debhelper-based install script that goes out of its way to comply with the eula

[21:25:12]

cafuego:

sn9: Yeah, that script isn't very useful for people like say my wife.

[21:25:30]

cafuego:

So I just install and repacke the binary.

[21:25:46]

cafuego:

I do the same thing for secondlife.

[21:26:15]

sn9:

cafuego: ah, so you've seen it. it would be great inside a flashplugin-nonfree style .deb, but i haven't taken the time to do that

[21:28:49]

code-r:

output is /dev/dsp

[21:28:59]

code-r:

mixer is /dev/mixer

[21:29:02]

code-r:

mixer controls i pcm

[21:29:25]

blackest:

any idea what package has taglib1.4

[21:29:33]

clever:

overridex: inflating the window size may reduce quality and may still not get it ontop of the gnome panels

[21:29:47]

cafuego:

blackest: on what distro?

[21:30:05]

overridex:

clever: i don't use gnome panels, but the quality looks fine compared to full screen

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blackest:

ubuntu gutsy

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clever:

you may be scaling the image down then scaling it up

[21:30:43]

clever:

or scaling it up twice

[21:30:49]

cafuego:

blackest: apt-cache search should help you out then

[21:30:50]

blackest:

i need cd paranoia also

[21:30:56]

code-r:

so my output is /dev/dsp

[21:30:58]

code-r:

mixer is /dev/mixer

[21:31:12]

cafuego:

apt-cache search taglib -> libtag1c2a

[21:31:26]

cafuego:

I reckon thats your most likely candicate.

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sn9:

cafuego: excuse me, debconf, not debhelper

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code-r:

dam permisins on the mixer thingy

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blackest:

ok got it mythplugins is going to make everything

[21:35:15]

code-r:

what does "removeable media" scannind do in myth...

[21:35:43]

code-r:

uhh monitoring

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sn9:

code-r: automount

[21:37:46]

code-r:

sn9: yes but what does it do.. like... does it scann for vidieos or only if set it up as a path?

[21:38:12]

sn9:

code-r: no, just the mount

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code-r:

so it will automatically mount a pen drive...

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sn9:

right

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code-r:

but it will do nothign with it ...

[21:39:40]

sn9:

anything mounted is visible in the frontend as it is

[21:40:14]

sn9:

even if you mount manually

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sn9:

cafuego: no more thoughts?

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cafuego:

sn9: On the debconf googleearth pkg?

[21:42:14]

sn9:

right

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cafuego:

er, how/why? :-)

[21:42:51]

code-r:

is there any way to jump to say MythMusic by pressing a key

[21:43:10]

code-r:

(or w/e to program lirc)

[21:44:31]

sn9:

cafuego: the why is that the terms of the eula prohibit bypassing the eula, and the jre1.6 pkgs already provide a mechanism to comply with that, and the flashplugin-nonfree pkg provides a nice point-and-click installation metaphor

[21:44:31]

cafuego:

sn9: I mean, I know such a package exists, but it didn't when i created mine. Ath the end of the day, the end user would need to download all of the app either way, but mine is already configged, so a bit faster.

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sn9:

cafuego: not configged? maybe you're thinking of some other script. mine is http://linuxmafia.com/isos/GetGoogleEarth

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cafuego:

sn9: I create the package essentially for in-house use (got a bunch of machines to run it on) but since I find them helpful, I publish 'em to whoever wants to use them. The proviso is I'll stop doing that when google tells me to.

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sn9:

i wrote it because it was easy, not because it was hard (apologies to jfk)

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cafuego:

heh

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sn9:

cafuego: simultaneously a thing of beauty and ugly as hell, isn't it?

[21:50:15]

cafuego:

google earth and debconf? Yes.

[21:50:28]

sn9:

read it yet?

[21:50:39]

cafuego:

Just had a look over it, yep

[21:51:05]

cafuego:

One additional reason I had for the .deb; this one is cacheable in apt-proxy and apt-cacher.

[21:51:17]

cafuego:

Whereas the script re-fetches the tarball

[21:51:29]

cafuego:

bandwidth costs a fair amount of money down here

[21:52:01]

sn9:

that can easily be modified flashplugin-nonfree style, but i wanted that mod to wait for the .deb

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sn9:

when testing the script against upstream changes, i typically just comment that part out, because it gets ludicrous

[21:53:40]

cafuego:

yeh, I have a local .bin cache for my deb creation too

[21:54:03]

cafuego:

How would you manage upstream changes though? I create a new .deb and ppl would auto-fetch that...

[21:54:23]

cafuego:

Oh hold on, morning crons are starting to spam me with stuff

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sn9:

same way. i was referring to changes that break the script

[21:55:12]

sn9:

4.0 to 4.1 really threw me for a loop

[21:55:17]

cafuego:

Oh like that internal tarball rename a while back

[21:55:22]

cafuego:

yeah

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cafuego:

scumbags

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sn9:

url change, too

[21:55:53]

** cafuego thinks Google should actually just release a .deb repo themselves. It's not as if they lack developers, Debian/Ubuntu users, storage or bandwidth. **

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sn9:

their dev policies are slave to mysterious legacy code, apparently

[21:57:02]

sn9:

something like how oracle once was

[21:57:03]

cafuego:

I'll whine at them at linux.conf.au

[21:59:14]

cafuego:

Hurray, another day without intrusions.

[21:59:52]

riddlebox:

hrmm I bought a wireless keyboard to try and get around the whole remote issue but the keyboard only works like 3 foot from the receiver

[22:00:29]

sn9:

cafuego: if you'd be interested in merging your code and mine, lemme know

[22:01:49]

cafuego:

sn9: I think my deb-src is on the repo, so feel free to grab it and have a twiddle with it.

[22:02:32]

sn9:

ditto, except what you see is source, anyway

[22:05:35]

htpcdvbs:

jhusl u there

[22:05:43]

htpcdvbs:

well i got it to work but

[22:05:54]

htpcdvbs:

how do i reconfigure tv output

[22:09:32]

blackest:

i've an interesting little issue just built from svn and myth is trying to connect to my other master backend and it has drawing issues

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htpcdvbs:

i got tv on my mointor but not tv

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htpcdvbs:

threw s video

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htpcdvbs:

anyway to fix that

[22:11:11]

riddlebox:

does anyone know anything about the Pinnacle PCTV HD card with the remote that plugs into the back of the card?

[22:12:24]

iamlindoro__:

riddlebox, Only that if you mean This card, it's not supported:

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iamlindoro__:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacl . . . d_%28800i%29

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riddlebox:

iamlindoro, that does look like it

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mkrufky:

somebody pull the fire alarm — i wanna go home

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, thought you went home hours ago

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mkrufky:

i wish

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mkrufky:

hehehe

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mkrufky:

they're cleaning the office this weekend, so I had to unplug everything and take all the wires up off the floor

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mkrufky:

thats why i logged out

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riddlebox:

iamlindoro, are any of these any good, http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dync . . . 15&iht=n

[22:24:31]

mkrufky:

now, im kinda just waiting for time to tick by

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mkrufky:

dont buy those, riddlebox

[22:24:57]

mkrufky:

they'll probably never have linux support

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riddlebox:

ok

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mkrufky:

at least, no time toon

[22:25:18]

mkrufky:

those ATI chipsets are pretty much a show-stopper

[22:25:39]

riddlebox:

how about these? http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dync . . . 15&iht=n

[22:25:39]

iamlindoro__:

Get yourselk a nice HD 5500 or HDHomerun or if you must, a Kworld 110 or 115

[22:25:48]

iamlindoro__:

Holy Linkage batman

[22:25:52]

riddlebox:

I really just want something with a remote

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mkrufky:

yeah, i'd stay away from the pinnacle usb sticks too, if you want supported HD

[22:26:38]

mkrufky:

you can make them work

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mkrufky:

but

[22:26:52]

mkrufky:

you'll need an external driver, from mcentral.de

[22:27:00]

mkrufky:

until somebody adds dvb support to the master branch of v4l/dvb

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iamlindoro__:

riddlebox, If you want a remote, eBay a USB MCE remote and get one of the cards I mentioned

[22:27:26]

mkrufky:

same problem with hauppauge hvr980, unfortunately

[22:27:29]

mkrufky:

er, 950

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mkrufky:

(its really a 980, but the box says 950)

[22:27:53]

iamlindoro__:

HDHomerun is an Ethernet device with two ATSC/QAM tuners, AND it's an IR receiver

[22:28:01]

iamlindoro__:

So you can use one of your old remotes with it if you like

[22:28:01]

mkrufky:

dont forget dvico, iamlindoro

[22:28:02]

riddlebox:

iamlindoro, yeah I already have a hauppage 500 which works great

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iamlindoro__:

Or come by my house, I have a box full still in plastic

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riddlebox:

hehe, where you at?

[22:28:37]

iamlindoro__:

of remotes, not HdHomRuns ;)

[22:28:49]

iamlindoro__:

About 1500 miles from you

[22:29:08]

iamlindoro__:

But I'd gladly give all these remotes away... They're MCE remotes, and a bunch of KWorlds

[22:29:15]

mkrufky:

just a few days drive... not so bad

[22:29:31]

mkrufky:

or a quick flight

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iamlindoro__:

I have a bunch of tuners and old need two remotes, so into the box they go :)

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iamlindoro__:

I *do* have one of the old style MCE remotes with the backlight that I keep meaning to put batteries in and use instead of my later-model non-backlit one, though

[22:30:37]

iamlindoro__:

Just keep forgetting

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mikeylikesit5805:

hi all i am whenever i try and play a movie i just get a solid screen i can hear the sound but it is just a solor color it will play in mplayer so i have that checked under the myth preferences and ideas?

[22:33:16]

XLV:

has anyone tried coreavc for linux? is it better that ffmpeg avc?

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iamlindoro__:

mikeylikesit5805, Is that color green and pink? :)

[22:34:00]

mikeylikesit5805:

for the most part yes

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blackest:

helpppppp ;)

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iamlindoro__:

XLV, it's faster that ffmpeg, and better in a lot of ways (not stabilitywise) but doesn't work on 64 bit machines, I believe

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blackest:

ok i do not seem to have a database for my svn myth system

[22:34:47]

iamlindoro__:

mikeylikesit5805, Bug in nvidia driver, either update to the newest from nvidia.com or go back to 104.something.11

[22:34:53]

riddlebox:

iamlindoro, either way even if that pinnacle pci card worked, the remote plugs into the card, so could that even work with mythtv?

[22:34:56]

mikeylikesit5805:

iamlindoro, right now it is blue but ive seen green and pink as well, its on a thinkpad r40 with an ATI

[22:35:06]

iamlindoro__:

blackest, locate mc.sql, then mysql -uwhatever -pwhatever < mc.sql

[22:35:25]

iamlindoro__:

riddlebox, Yes, those types of remotes can be made to work, but on a case by case basis

[22:35:43]

iamlindoro__:

mikeylikesit5805, Ah, ATI, always a problem with myth

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riddlebox:

really, hrmm do you have any links for me to look at?

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blackest:

no mc.sql

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mikeylikesit5805:

ok thanks iamlindoro, do you think i would have a better chance with knoppixmyth

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iamlindoro__:

blackest, it's in the myth source

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iamlindoro__:

mikeylikesit5805, ATI is gonna stink for myth no matter whose myth you use

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iamlindoro__:

blackest, updatedb

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sn9:

mikeylikesit5805: knoppmyth on a laptop? ha ha

[22:36:41]

mikeylikesit5805:

ok thanks i appreciate it

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iamlindoro__:

then locate mc.sql

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mikeylikesit5805:

sn9 bad idea?

[22:37:03]

mikeylikesit5805:

bad drivers or something?

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sn9:

mikeylikesit5805: strange idea

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mikeylikesit5805:

just as a front end, good on power, and quiet

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iamlindoro__:

blackest, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

[22:37:48]

sn9:

mikeylikesit5805: if you never use the laptop for anything else, ok

[22:38:15]

mikeylikesit5805:

sn9, its got a broken lcd, so yea lol

[22:38:24]

mikeylikesit5805:

not good for much else

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sn9:

mikeylikesit5805: lcd is broken and you want it as a FRONTend?

[22:39:05]

mikeylikesit5805:

i have it hooked up to a tv through a scan converter

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mikeylikesit5805:

lol sorry i should have been more specific

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sn9:

in such a case, it would make a much better backend, IMHO

[22:39:51]

mikeylikesit5805:

yea your right i guess i should screw around with it some more huh?

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sn9:

ok, also, replacement thinkpad parts are relatively cheap

[22:40:54]

mikeylikesit5805:

yea i guess i will do some ebay shopping ;-) thanks for the help guys

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sn9:

mikeylikesit5805: also look at thinkpadmedic and the like

[22:41:26]

mikeylikesit5805:

ok thanks

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blackest:

ok found it and did as you said but i appear to have no mythtv-user

[22:44:43]

EnderTheThird:

"It's a Felony to Possess More Than 5 Dildos in Texas" There's a video with that story on Digg, but I don't think I want to watch it.

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iamlindoro__:

blackest, mc.sql sets your myth sql user up, but also resets the password to mythtv

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iamlindoro__:

which is why you do mysql -uroot -pwhatever < mc.sql

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bsdfox_:

EnderTheThird: that's from a book

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bsdfox_:

I forget the lady's name.. one of my professors made us read some of her stuff

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bsdfox_:

she's kinda funny

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blackest:

thats not too bad but it doesnt think its got a mythtv user

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blackest:

ERROR 1133 (42000): Can't find any matching row in the user table

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blackest:

set password for 'mythtv'@'%' = password('mythtv');

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GreyFoxx:

that doesn't look like valid sql to me

[22:54:08]

GreyFoxx:

wtf did you get that line ?:)

[22:54:25]

bsdfox_:

lol

[22:54:30]

blackest:

its cut an pasted from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation

[22:54:47]

GreyFoxx:

Maybe it is, and maybe it's just a method I've never seen before

[22:55:00]

GreyFoxx:

did you do a flush privileges after words ?

[22:55:02]

blackest:

in the bit after installation

[22:55:23]

GreyFoxx:

never ever seen "set password" as a MySQL command

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bsdfox_:

you need to use grant to set permissions as far as I know

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dserban:

Someone asked earlier if you can assign a hotkey to switch to a specific plugin... like mythgame or mythmusic etc. Will mythcontrol do much for me?

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GreyFoxx:

Not sure if all plugins/menus have jumppoints

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GreyFoxx:

I have acouple set for mythvideo/video list

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blackest:

ok so what should i do

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blackest:

i guess i could make install again see if it does anything better i t might have got confused since there was another masterbackend on the network

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bsdfox_:

grant all privileges on 'mythtv'@xxx to mythtv identified by 'password';

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htpcdvbs:

iamlindor u there

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bsdfox_:

flush privileges;

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blackest:

ok i will try it

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dserban:

GreyFoxx, and you did that through mythcontrol?

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htpcdvbs:

iamlindoro__ can u tell me the command to get tvout

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GreyFoxx:

dserban_: ACtually I did it in mythweb under the key editor there

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dserban:

GreyFoxx, ahh, ok I'm looking at mythcontrol on the wiki and there's nothing there ;)

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dserban:

heh

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iamlindoro__:

htpcdvbs, There's really no "command" to get tvout, it's all set up in xorg.conf

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htpcdvbs:

how do i reconfig it

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iamlindoro__:

I may not be the best person to ask about it, all of my myth boxes are DVI out

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htpcdvbs:

can u tell me the command to reconfigure it

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iamlindoro__:

I am not aware of any command that will automatically reconfigure or configure TV out

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iamlindoro__:

It's all done manually so far as I know

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htpcdvbs:

darn

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sn9:

htpcdvbs: ati, nvidia, or something else?

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htpcdvbs:

i tried everything can't get it

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htpcdvbs:

nvidia

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sn9:

nvtv

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mzb:

dserban: the only differences (in effect) between using mythcrontrol and mythweb to setup keybindings is that mythcontrol will a) confirm the key is working, and b) tell you if that key is assigned to something else.

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mzb:

htpcdvbs: see the README at nvidia.com

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mzb:

there is no need to use nvtv (unless you have an ancient card and need some fine tuning done)

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sn9:

mzb: the question was of want, not need

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dserban:

mzb alright, i'll play... can it do key-combos? such as ctrl-s, alt-r ?

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GreyFoxx:

nvtv will not work with any modern nvidia card.

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mzb:

sn9: I haven't had enough caffeine to be so pedantic ... and I'd say TV-Out was a need (if there's no other method of seeing a screen on your tv;)

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GreyFoxx:

htpcdvbs: What kind of card is it ?

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mzb:

dserban: yes ... see the LIRC page in the mythtv wiki

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sn9:

mzb: the want of switching by shell command

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dserban:

mzb thanks

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htpcdvbs:

fx5200

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GreyFoxx:

htpcdvbs: Then nvtv wont help you

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sn9:

too new for nvtv

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GreyFoxx:

you need the nvidia drivers installed, and if they are new enough they have a tool called "nvidia-xconfig"

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mzb:

sn9: the question appears to be about tv-out, not switching

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GreyFoxx:

I've never used it but supposedily it will build your X config for you

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mzb:

htpcdvbs: here's the xorg.conf that I'm using on a mx440, which shouldn't be too different to an fx5200: http://openpaste.org/en/4622/

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mzb:

those settings give me cloned output to CRT and PAL TV, with large overscan, and supports all the modes that the TV-Out on the nvidia is capable of

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htpcdvbs:

cool

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blackest:

i am so stuffed

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blackest:

can i uninstall mythtv svn

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blackest:

i think i did something wrong and probably have config files all over the place

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EnderTheThird:

blackest, you still have the folders where you co'd from svn?

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EnderTheThird:

just go cd into that folder and do sudo make uninstall

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blackest:

ok thanks

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EnderTheThird:

you'll have to do it for mythtv and mythplugins

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EnderTheThird:

that should get everything out of there for you, although your mysql db should still be there if you want to reinstall .20

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blackest:

well i figure if i back up to 0.20 and set it up as a master backend front end then remove 0.20 leaving the config files behind i might get svn set up correctly

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EnderTheThird:

what was your prob with svn?

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iamlindoro__:

If you're gonna do that, just set it up as SVN from scratch, don't put .20 on, that's bad news

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blackest:

it couldnt get into the database it was refusing to allow any users

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EnderTheThird:

you'd be better off just fixing mysql

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EnderTheThird:

don't remove svn

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iamlindoro__:

blackest, you could have asked for some SQL help, was very possible it just didn't create mythconverg

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EnderTheThird:

svn isn't as nice about setting up that extra stuff (like mysql of mythweb) for you

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iamlindoro__:

mysql -u root -p

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iamlindoro__:

put in your password

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iamlindoro__:

then

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iamlindoro__:

use mythconverg;

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iamlindoro__:

If it says ok, then mythconverg exists

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iamlindoro__:

then we can go on from there

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blackest:

ok i just need to tidy up a bit ;)

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EnderTheThird:

blackest: i had some trouble with getting mysql to accept a user from any ip/hostname. iamlindoro had me use the wildcard but it wouldn't work for me. if you're having the same prob, you can just specify the IPs you want to access mythconverg

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EnderTheThird:

still have no idea why the hell it was doing that either, heh

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blackest:

ok i think i need a break i will clear my mind and try again shortly

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iamlindoro__:

nor I... likely just a syntax error on my part, or syntax changed a bit

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EnderTheThird:

meh, something crazy. i'm fine with it though. i only have 2 FEs that need to connect anyway, and they both have static IPs

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blackest:

well if i want to access myth from outside my lan i will need more than just the ips i know about

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EnderTheThird:

you have a fast enough connection to do that anyway?

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EnderTheThird:

and security would be another worry if you're doing that

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iamlindoro__:

You only set for db access, are you running frontends from outside the LAN, or just mythweb

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blackest:

probably not this all started as an attempt to get mythweb streaming video

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iamlindoro__:

if just mythweb, you on;ly need to allow local frontends and backends access, not the whole world

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blackest:

ok

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blackest:

i still seem to have some stuff left from 0.20 theres a .mythtv dir in my home folder for a start

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iamlindoro__:

That's not too bad so long as you fix your mysql.txt

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EnderTheThird:

do "sudo dpkg -l | grep myth"

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EnderTheThird:

make sure all myth .20 packages are gone

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EnderTheThird:

don't need sudo actually :-/

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blackest:

rc mythtv-database 0.20.2–0ubuntu10.1 A personal video recorder application (datab

[23:34:03]

blackest:

rc mythtv-frontend 0.20.2–0ubuntu10.1 A personal video recorder application (clien

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blackest:

rc mythweb 0.20.2–0ubuntu2 Web interface add-on module for MythTV

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blackest:

rc ubuntu-mythtv-frontend 0.20.2–0ubuntu10 Metapackage to setup and configure a "Fronte

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iamlindoro__:

Oh is *that* all

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EnderTheThird:

heh

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cafuego:

they're all not installed, but hav 'Residual Config' files

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iamlindoro__:

yeah, but probably best to --purge 'em

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cafuego:

for each of them, run 'sudo dpkg -P <package>'

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sn9:

sudo dpkg -P

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blackest:

ok

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: might need some help here soon. about to try to get that damned bt878 card's sound to work

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cafuego:

or dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ { print $2 }' | sudo xargs dpkg -P

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EnderTheThird:

if you could be so kind

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cafuego:

or you're lazy :-)

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EnderTheThird:

cafuego: yeah, that sure looks like a nice shortcut, ha. i'm sure it works just fine, but it's a little above my knowledge :)

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iamlindoro__:

his awk-fu is strong

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cafuego:

dpkg -l > if the line arts with "rc", print field 2, pipe into 'dpkg --purge' as last parameter.

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blackest:

its not bad but ...

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EnderTheThird:

apparently

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blackest:

pc mythtv-database 0.20.2–0ubuntu10.1 A personal video recorder application (datab

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cafuego:

blackest: Well. 'sudo apt-get remove --purge mythtv-database' ?

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EnderTheThird:

aren't just about all config options in mysql db aside from the login info to get into mysql?

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cafuego:

yes

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EnderTheThird:

k

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cafuego:

Well, there may be mythweb files too

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EnderTheThird:

cause i remember thinking "MAGIC" when i restored after a reinstall and it had my manually set window size there for mythfrontend, heh

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** cafuego grins **

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EnderTheThird:

mythweb is the more unintuitive thing to set up (for me at least). thanks again for that one iamlindoro, heh

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iamlindoro__:

Anytime, dude

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EnderTheThird:

but oh so very nice when it is finally setup

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blackest:

it says mythtv-database isnt installed however it still comes up when i grep it

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EnderTheThird:

says that when you purge?

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blackest:

Package mythtv-database is not installed, so not removed

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blackest:

pc mythtv-database 0.20.2–0ubuntu10.1

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sn9:

pc == purged

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blackest:

ok so i should be clean now

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EnderTheThird:

no, you're a dirty dirty boy

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blackest:

lol ok

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blackest:

so now to redo the ./ configure again yes

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iamlindoro__:

no need to reconfigure, just make install

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EnderTheThird:

you might be able to just make install again, but i'm not sure

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blackest:

or should i try redoing phpmyadmin coz that wasnt working either

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cafuego:

You don't want to run the packaged version?

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blackest:

well it wouldnt comeup in firefox its supposed to be installed but...

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cafuego:

you'd probably need to restart apache for it to work

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EnderTheThird:

if anyone ever offers you an Optiplex, even for free, kick them in the shins

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** cafuego has an optiplex **

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cafuego:

with RDRAM!

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EnderTheThird:

not sure what this one has, but wow it's a POS

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cafuego:

Yes, they are.

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blackest:

is that a dell

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cafuego:

I improved it 200% by running vmware converter on it and making it run as VM

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cafuego:

blackest: yup

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blackest:

purple thing

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blackest:

i had one i think, it went to the tip as it was missing the voltage regulator board

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EnderTheThird:

I hope this deal with dell gets us some better wireless support from manufacturers... :-/

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blackest:

isn't there some config file for apache which sets access to localhost only

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cafuego:

it probably includes /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf or somesuch – check that

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neb_:

hmmm, when trying to watch tv and recording a program on a different channel i get a message saying the tuner is locked. checked the manual and i should be able to switch between tuners using 'c'?

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EnderTheThird:

well i'll be a son of a bitch. so the other night, for the life of me i couldn't VNC over SSH to my cousin's computer. it worked without a hitch this time. wtf

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EnderTheThird:

neb_: i think it's Y to switch tuners, but i'm not sure

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sn9:

optiplexes make nice substitutes for vectras

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neb_:

yup tried that too after checking the keys cheat sheet

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neb_:

seems weird

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EnderTheThird:

both tuners available? (can check from info center on FE)

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neb_:

one is recording, one is available

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EnderTheThird:

it lets you start watching TV on the free tuner at all, or not?

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neb_:

nope, not at all

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EnderTheThird:

how do i force QT when starting frontend from CLI?

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justinh:

hrm now why would my intel video driver be ignoring my mode preferences & defaulting to something else? bah

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sn9:

justinh: does the same for me

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neb_:

justinh: hmmm, i had an interesting time with intel drivers

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justinh:

the xorg log mentions the refresh rates I've specced are no good

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justinh:

but they should be fine for a TV

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sn9:

i force hsync as a workaround

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blackest:

neb dont use that experimental one it drove me nuts

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blackest:

it doesnt support xv

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neb_:

blackest: yeah, im not now

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blackest:

the i815 is better

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neb_:

but no audio over hdmi yet :p

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