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Thursday, January 10th, 2008, 00:03 UTC

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directhex:

O_o @ latest gamer news

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quantum:

help I have this blinking "Seek" at the top of the screen when I play recordings. It just appeared suddenly. Any body have any idea what the heck it is. It does it even when the recording is paused

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sn9:

a blinking sikh? some channels do have that... ;->

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quantum:

no the word "seek" is blinking at the top of the screen, and it is still blinking when the recording is paused so it is not recorded in

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** sn9 loves bad puns **

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iamlindoro_:

directhex: What gamer news is that?

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black_Nightmare_:

just curious but how many of you record to hd in mpeg4 type? (rather than mpeg2)

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sn9:

black_Nightmare_: that's not possible

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sn9:

oh,

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sn9:

oh, hd meaning "hard disk" not "high def"

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black_Nightmare_:

:p

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black_Nightmare_:

hehe

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sn9:

if you're really short on space more than anything else, that's the way to go. however, it will take beaucoup cpu cycles

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sn9:

mpeg2 will take none

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm...that explains it thanks

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black_Nightmare_:

<was just wondering why a lot of AV LSI etc only do mpeg2 yet so far

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sn9:

because mpeg2 is what's streamed digitally

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sn9:

mpeg4 is encoded by myth itself

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sn9:

also, hardware encoders do 2 and not 4

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iamlindoro_:

sn9: Must of Europe's HD stuff is Mpeg-4

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sn9:

even dvb-t?

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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sn9:

i stand corrected

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black_Nightmare_:

must? *pokes you to correct that second letter

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black_Nightmare_:

;)

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sn9:

POKE32878,15

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iamlindoro_:

re hardware mpeg-4 encoders... My understanding is that a few of the mpeg-4/firewire bridges are now supported... but none of the ,peg-4 analog tuner cards

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iamlindoro_:

er mpeg-4

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sn9:

i know someone who has a windows-only (so far) analog tuner card that claims to encode MS-MPEG4v[12] in hardware

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sn9:

i doubt it does

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sn9:

it's saa713x

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, I've seen a few of those too... I wouldn't mind springing for a linux supported one even if we *can* only use them for a bit

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iamlindoro_:

But that relies on a) actual hardware mpeg-4 and b) linux support

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sn9:

i might borrow the card (it's cardbus) and find out

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iamlindoro_:

I suppose if I *were* forced to use the cable box and that's all I could do, I could use http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_go7007

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sn9:

it's never all you can do. that assumes you get zippo on both atsc and clearqam

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iamlindoro_:

It's an option (just as all the analog cards are) for when they shut down analog and I want the higher, encrypted channels, however

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sn9:

however if you can do cable boxes on your system, not much can beat it, IMHO

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iamlindoro_:

I actually was pleasantly surprised to find that I get discover via QAM... had to dig it out of a bunch of on-demand PIDs, but that was pleasant... now if only it were my (paid for) Discovery HD... *sigh*, but at least I'm better off than some.

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iamlindoro_:

er Discovery

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sn9:

i get discoveryhd on clearqam, too

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iamlindoro_:

Lucky you... and you're not far from me, tell them to get that down the penninsula

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sn9:

however, i get discoveryhd through the box, too

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sn9:

also, when i tested firewire out in foster city, it was carried

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iamlindoro_:

Still needs to get further south

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sn9:

951xx zip codes are san jose-ish iirc

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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sn9:

hopefully not south san jose

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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sn9:

south san jose? i don't envy you that

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iamlindoro_:

why's that?

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sn9:

dsl availability

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dserban:

directhex, what gamer news?

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iamlindoro_:

Pfeh, DSL and cable are both adequately available

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sn9:

yeah, _now_

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iamlindoro_:

yup, I don't need internet five years ago

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iamlindoro_:

I need it *now*

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sn9:

they just put in a new dslam a few months ago

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iamlindoro_:

Parents have had DSL for six years here in SSJ

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iamlindoro_:

Granted, could only get up to 1.5/384 for a while, but that changed about two years ago

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sn9:

their co distance must be less than most

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iamlindoro_:

perhaps

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iamlindoro_:

Actually, on the phone with comcrap to turn in the box for one w/ firewire, we'll see how that goes

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sn9:

but many who inquired about service there for a while suddenly saw quoted distance numbers nosedive not long ago

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sn9:

you don't need to call them

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sn9:

i simply marched to their office

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sn9:

that way, i could point to the box i wanted with my finger

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sn9:

granted, i called first anyway

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sn9:

they told me it would not affect the bill, because i was turning in a second $7/mo box for another one

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sn9:

i asked several times about the additional

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sn9:

i asked several times about the additional $7/mo hd fee

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sn9:

csr insisted there was no such thing

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sn9:

csr was wrong

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clever:

to get firewire recording here would cost extra

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, looks like I'll just need to head in there... Hehe, I got the "none of our boxes have enabled firewire..." Quoted the FCC Reg chapter and verse, and 30 seconds later, I got, "Oh, looks like on our new boxes there *is* an enabled firewire"

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iamlindoro_:

Shocking

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clever:

we own 1 box and the 2nd comes with the plan for 'free' so we cant turn one in to save

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clever:

and the box with firewire isnt free(have to rent it)

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sn9:

after i picked up the box, i called again, and they offered to bill me the way they originally quoted me, for the first year

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sn9:

i accepted

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sn9:

don't have them ship you a box — it's not worth it. go there and pick it up

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iamlindoro_:

Naw, I don't live far from the office, I'll run in tomorrow

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sn9:

and get the dch-3200, not the dct-6200

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iamlindoro_:

That's what I'm getting

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iamlindoro_:

I have a DCT-5100 right now

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iamlindoro_:

But no firewire on it

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sn9:

ugh, not the 5100

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clever:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

Hehe, well it's not *terrible*

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iamlindoro_:

And I've been getting most of my decent stuff via QAM for some time

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clever:

my dct2000 is painfully slow in any osd

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sn9:

it's like, it's almost worth having, but "main feature not implemented"

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sn9:

^^^ 5100

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iamlindoro_:

But I figure I'll roll the dice, and worst comes to worst I get nothing, slightly better case I gewhat amounts to another set of HD locals, and best case... well, best case, is best case :)

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clever:

sn9: do you know what clock freq the dct2000 runs at?

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clever:

wooo and the m68k can run linux!:P

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sn9:

clever: dct2000 is a very bad m68k, at iirc 25mhz

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clever:

no wonder the menus are so damn slow!

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clever:

my 50mhz 486 cpu cant even decode mp3 in realtime!

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clever:

and thats half that!

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sn9:

clever: cpu speed has nothing to do with the dct-2000's architectural suckiness

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

but allmost any osd work is painfully slow compared to even a 400mhz with myth!

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iamlindoro_:

Maybe I'll really luck out and we'll have identical head-end policies, sn9 ;)

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clever:

sn9: would it be posibly to shove a linux kernel into the dct2000?:P

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iamlindoro_:

But, given I don't get what you get via QAM, my hopes are set pretty low

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sn9:

even a 5mhz apple lisa could out-numbercruch a dct-2000, i bet'

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sn9:

no, it would not be possible to linux a dct-2000

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clever:

sn9: but what if you abused the video decoding chips to number crunch!

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clever:

sn9: motherboard under the cpu not compatible?

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clever:

sn9: or just a general lack of io/'disk' drivers?

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alexvd:

Hi just read a post from knoppmyth forums that said changing the commercial flagging cpu usage option on the backend got rid of stuttering. He changed it from Low to Medium. So he is getting the opposite effect. Does this make any sense. I have 3.2ghz dualcore and when trying to watch HD recording while comflagging is running I get a stutter

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sn9:

clever: it's not the mobo. if you ever see a chart of how data buses are organized in that thing, you'll vomit for days

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clever:

sn9: got a chart?:P

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clever:

ive looked at how the c64 and vic20 are layed out!

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sn9:

unfortunately not

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sn9:

i have an original printing of the vic20 chart, btw

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clever:

i even still have the chart for the vic20 on my desk!

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iamlindoro_:

alexvd: A 3.2 Dual core should handle all of that handily

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clever:

this one is a single large sheet

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clever:

nearly as wide as my sun keyboard

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clever:

left edge appears to be torn out of a book with those flat plastic rings holding the pages in

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iamlindoro_:

alexvd: my 2.4 Ghx Dual core can make short work of the same scenario

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iamlindoro_:

er Ghz

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clever:

says 1980 in 1 corner

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: thats what i figured. however i am getting stuttering badly, actual pauses and cpu usage is like 147%

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clever:

sn9: sound like an original?

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sn9:

mine is still inside the vic20 programmer's reference manual, purchased when it was still in print. that's where yours was torn from

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iamlindoro_:

alexvd: What GPU/graphics driver?

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clever:

sn9: my c64 one is a few photocopy pages taped together but the paper is even more yellowed:P

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clever:

sn9: ahhh:)

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clever:

sn9: sounds like an original then

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alexvd:

nvidia 6600 using 9631 driver

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clever:

sn9: and explains why the top half doesnt have the tear marks

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clever:

meant to unfold without being removed

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clever:

got a pair of the vic20 ones

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sn9:

yes, and iirc, it would be the bottom half that wouldn't have tear marks

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clever:

not shure where the c64 one went

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iamlindoro_:

alexvd: Why not using the newer driver sets, ie 169.blah blah?

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clever:

sn9: top on both here

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sn9:

notice the heading says Revision E

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clever:

sn9: tear is allong the bottm left side

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iamlindoro_:

alexvd: I'd get up to modern drivers and then retry

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sn9:

the motherboard in my vic20 says Rev.F

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clever:

sn9: dont see revision anywhere

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sn9:

none of the chip labels match

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clever:

but i do see version E

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: when i enabled that i had a strange problem that when I enable opengl sync the whole screen had green pixelated blocks

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sn9:

right, version. my bad

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clever:

schematic main logic version e

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iamlindoro_:

alexvd: That was it 119.14.blah blah

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iamlindoro_:

er was in

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: yes

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clever:

sn9: think you could find one for the dct2000 online?

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iamlindoro_:

alexvd: Yes... and they're up to 169.blah blah

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clever:

and why cant you just patch up the linux kernel to work arround those horid designs?

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sn9:

clever: no, that would need an nda, i'm sure

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

sn9: where did you see it?

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: going to try those. I also have tearing on the top of the screen so i hope it will fix that

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iamlindoro_:

alexvd: Good plan

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alexvd:

avan3944

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sn9:

i didn't see it; i heard it described

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clever:

ahhh

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clever:

sn9: closest ive seen to hacking the dct2000 was http://www.tussh.com/angus/dct2000.php

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: how many jobs can you run on that backend with your processor

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clever:

sn9: it has a RAW hdtv output which might be posible to convert to something myth can accept

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iamlindoro_:

alexvd: I set it to run 3 max, but I can run a 1080-> 720 transcode job on top of that

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clever:

sn9: and a BDM interface you can easily access(probly to get total debug control of the m68k)

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iamlindoro_:

and still watch TV

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sn9:

clever: yes, moto made something called a "sidecar" that did exactly that

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iamlindoro_:

I should note that I am on trunk

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: i set it to 3 and i had that issue

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clever:

sn9: does the sidecar thing have firewire posibly?

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sn9:

no, it's not possible to get total debug control, afaik

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clever:

but however much the bdm interface offers i mean

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sn9:

i have never seen the sidecar itself, only mentions of it in moto manuals

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clever:

the page i linked to claims the port outputs 'This is the unencrypted HDTV data.'

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clever:

'It needs to be fed into an HDTV decoder HDD 200. This is probably a lot cheaper than ditching your DCT 2000 and than buying a new HDTV capable box.'

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: if I upgrade the driver will that fubar all my frontend appearance settings?

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sn9:

hdd200 must be the sidecar, then

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clever:

sn9: and thats a link to http://www.4dtvforum.com/doc/HDD200_GUI.pdf

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iamlindoro_:

alexvd: It won't change anything in Myth, no... whether you have issues with X is a variable, but anything is fixable

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sn9:

wow

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clever:

links dont realy copy/paste well into irc:P

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: that is what i figured however i was having issues with connecting the backend and I guess i kept wiping the database and it would reset the frontend properites all the time.

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alexvd:

cat

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clever:

sn9: from the pdf the hdd200 lacks any firewire outputs, i think it just adds digital aud and component

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iamlindoro_:

alexvd: Well, to answer your question, nothing will be touched in myth by upgrading the drivers

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: cool thanks

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iamlindoro_:

np

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clever:

sn9: is the 'ir' port on the dct2000 IN or OUT?

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: looking at the logs I see a message saying all the encoder stream buffers are full dropping data

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: cause the application is not reading fast enough

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iamlindoro_:

alexvd: may very well be symptomatic of GPU issues, though

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clever:

alexvd: pvr150?

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: how the heck is that possible with a pvr250

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clever:

nearly the same

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clever:

alexvd: which ivtv version?

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iamlindoro_:

Because SD should NEVER tax the system you described

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sn9:

clever: iirc, the ir is out

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alexvd:

yeah no kidding

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alexvd:

hmm is that in dmesg

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clever:

sn9: ahh so i cant force feed it ir without a ir led(blasting a single box in a stack)

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clever:

alexvd: 'modinfo ivtv'

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sn9:

clever: serial works

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clever:

sn9: if i could find the dang cord:P

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clever:

version: 0.4.10 (tagged release)

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sn9:

clever: use usb

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clever:

sn9: i suspect thats in dads laptop case

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clever:

sn9: which is several hours away by now

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sn9:

oh

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: version is 1.0.0.

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iamlindoro_:

alexvd: It was clever that asked, but I use the same without issue

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clever:

alexvd: i think ivtv < 0.10.0 has vbi problems

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

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clever:

the mythbackend said vbi decoder busted and said to use 0.10.0 or newer

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alexvd:

clever: yes i remember something about disabling increases performance

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clever:

and top shows 99% of the cpu being stuck in kernel space

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clever:

alexvd: globaly kill vbi under general in mythtv-setup

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alexvd:

hmm just disable vbi in general

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alexvd:

right

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clever:

then reload ivtv(rmmod;modprobe) or reboot

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alexvd:

ok both backends have pvr-250 slave and master

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iamlindoro_:

clever: 1.0 is greater than .10.0 :)

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clever:

bigest problem is that all vbi decoding dies(cant even do it from old recordings which contain vbi)

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clever:

iamlindoro_: they could have broken it again:P, cant hurt if he doesnt need/want subs

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sn9:

CC != subs

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iamlindoro_:

naw, can't hurt to try... I still have a feeling that with that ancient graphics driver it's more likely, but doesn't hurt in the least

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clever:

nearly the same thing for most shows

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Kazan:

if you're using ivtv and vbi

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Kazan:

you MUST runt he ivtv encoders at their NATIVE resolution

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clever:

subtitles in the same language as the audio i feel

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alexvd:

yeah not sure if its mythbuntu or not. but i am pretty sure i was running recording 3hdtv recordings watching live tv and never did i get up to 100% on top

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clever:

Kazan: when i record at 720x480 i get artifacts(verticle lines) near 590 pixels from the left

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alexvd:

Kazan: i did change them to 720X480

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clever:

Kazan: when playing with the capture width i noticed them moved to the right as i narrowed the width(stayed at 590)

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clever:

Kazan: at a res of 592x480 they are right on the edge of the black band the rows start/end with

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alexvd:

Kazan: i get all kinds of artifacts on the top half of my screen running 1080i over component right now. Its pissing me off like crazy!!

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: anyway, the primary user-level difference between the dct-6200 and the dch-3200 is that the latter has hdmi where the former has dvi

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alexvd:

thanks all

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clever:

Kazan: http://clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/mythtv/shot0001.png

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iamlindoro_:

sn9: No particular difference to me as the projector has both, and I don't pass audio that way, so all the same to me

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clever:

Kazan: what do you think would cause that?

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sn9:

btw, when you pick up the box, don't forget your complementary set of free high-quality component cables

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: ^^^

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iamlindoro_:

Haha... I am swimming in those

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clever:

mythfrontend: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythvideo.so: undefined symbol: _ZN18MythProgressDialogC1ERK7QStringi

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: the really thick kind?

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iamlindoro_:

sn9: yup

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clever:

i'll try a `tail -n1 config.log` just incase

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: was it you who mentioned the plextor usb thing a minute ago? i have a pvrusb2. how is the plextor better?

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iamlindoro_:

sn9: It's totally different, the plextor encodes Mpeg-4.. but has no tuner

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sn9:

ah

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iamlindoro_:

ergo what I said... if you need to get your analog via a box, it's a half-decent choice

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sn9:

pvrusb2 worked beautifully for me even on usb1.1-only hardware

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sn9:

what about the canopus or pinnacle firewire bridges?

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iamlindoro_:

Couldn't tell you anything about those, just know the plextor goes to Mpeg-4

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justinh:

sn9: they're DV over firewire, not mpeg2, so unless you change mythtv to be able to accept DV, no dice

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** sn9 remembers the first usb mpeg1 encoders **

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clever:

mythfrontend: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythvideo.so: undefined symbol: _ZN18MythProgressDialogC1ERK7QStringi

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clever:

reconfigure and make didnt fix it(in plugins)

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clever:

i'll try a make clean

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justinh:

and dont forget DV is basically mjpeg with embedded audio, so massive file sizes

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justinh:

clever: make distclean, configure & make again

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** J-e-f-f-A has a Plextor ConvertX he hasn't setup yet... **

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clever:

i'll try that next

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sn9:

justinh: yes. everybody seems to be under the impression that dv has no compression at all, but mjpeg is in there

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J-e-f-f-A:

I would have thought DV didn't have compression given the massive file sizes...

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: they're big, but nowhere near as big as uncompressed video

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sn9:

J-e-f-f-A: you and the rest of the world

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sn9:

yes

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sn9:

thank goodness for chef mpeg4-ardee

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justinh:

uncompressed video == ( X pixels * Y pixels * colour bits per pixel ) bits/sec. Even with the colour sampling used in DV, still huge

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iamlindoro_:

I remember having a Video Blaster from creative way back when (VFW 1.0) and there was an option for uncompressed video that, predictably, choked my machine... Wonder why there was even an option when it was *long* before a machine could hope to attempt to think about prayin about processing that amount of video

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: they had realtime mjpeg codecs onboard IIRC

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iamlindoro_:

I *may* have gotten it to do so (and filled up my drive) @ 350-somethingx240 and 16 colors.... ah, the memories

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Well, you may know better than I... this would have been about... hmmm... 1992ish I think

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sn9:

1992? the genlock era

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justinh:

DV also has major generational losses (just like jpeg really) – you can't go copying DV to DV to DV. Some DV codecs are better than others. Sony's DV codec used in Vegas are reckoned to trump the default MS ones the majority of even 'Pro' editing packages use

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** J-e-f-f-A has Amigas and Genlocks... even an Amiga 4000 Video Toaster/Flyer system... ;-) **

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sn9:

capture cards of any kind were $$$$$$$ then

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justinh:

I modded my Atari ST with a homebrewed genlock circuit

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Mmmm, Video Toaster :)

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justinh:

never worked of course, cos I didn't work out how to enable the external sync input of the video chip but hey ho

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: I haven't brought myself to sell it on fleabay yet... Even though I haven't used it for about 5 years now, and last turned it on over a year ago...

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Don't!!! That is a great piece of nostalgia, at teh very least

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: I know, but I'm not using it, and perhaps a more devoted Amiga fan might actually use it on a regular basis.

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iamlindoro_:

At the very least you can put on the first season of Babylon 5 for your kids and go, "See? They made this with these." And then your kids can fry your brain with their implants

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sn9:

my very first computer was the vic20, which i still have. it has not successfully booted since 1985, but one of these days, i'll get it running again

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justinh:

thing is even for then, Babylon 5 looked like it was made on Amigas

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: hehe... ;-) Very true!

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justinh:

I think I still hate Amigas. Stubborn parents never bought one. It had to be a frickin Atari PoS

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iamlindoro_:

Put in the crystal storage device labeled "Television – The 90s – Complete" and away you go

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sn9:

justinh: at least it was the st, and not the 800

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J-e-f-f-A:

I watched "Superman 3" the other day for the first time in many, many years... Wow, special effects and computers have come a LONG way!!!

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justinh:

sn9: oh we had one of those too. talk about crippled

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iamlindoro_:

I had a TRS-80 I loved desperately

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: Which way to the channel scanner are you using (the one in the input connections dialog hasn't crashed for me yet)

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Anduin:

?

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iamlindoro_:

the model 100 – The "laptop" one. I remember it had this sexy leather sleeve.

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: my computing history goes as follows: zx81. another zx81. texas ti-99/4a. tandy coco. atari st. PC :(

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: I have a Tandy M100 portable computer, complete with floppy disk drive... That's fairly rare...

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: the model 100 was just about the 1st ever laptop machine. certainly the 1st usable one IIRC

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iamlindoro_:

My father was/is very practical... there was the TRS-80 and a 8086 in the house, neither of which I was allowed to touch for a *very* long time

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iamlindoro_:

We never had any of the "hobbyist" stuff, which is a shame

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opello:

iamlindoro_: those were awesome

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justinh:

remember being totally pro-ST until I saw a PC running 256 colour graphics!

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opello:

with the little printer

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iamlindoro_:

I'm contemporary with it, but really started to take part with that 8086

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sn9:

iamlindoro_: i had a classmate in grade school who accidentally brought his model 100 to school one day because he forgot he had it

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: wow, mine's similar. TS 1000 (Zx81 clone) TRS-80 model II and III in school, Apple II in school & home, Tandy "Micro Color Computer" (mine) – TI 99/4A (w/hdd controller and 40MB hdd, ran a bbs), Amiga 500... Then eventually PC's...

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iamlindoro_:

But then, If I had an MFM hard drive that cost 10,000 bucks, I wouldn't let my snot-nosed kid touch it either

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justinh:

computing is so boring these days. nowhere near as much variety anymore & I feel we're all the worse for it

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: What about the Amiga, running 4096 color graphics! ;-) (1985!)

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justinh:

back in the day you could play with hardware even if you didn't have a degree in electronics. not quite so simple anymore

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A: back then, Amiga was scum

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justinh:

was only scum cos I was so bitter about not being allowed one

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sn9:

justinh: you still don't need a degree in electronics

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Only because C= marketed it as a Game machine... If they acutally marketed it for real, as a powerful desktop system, it may have been the one to take off and be on everybody's desktop...

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: I was only playing license cop for you since I didn't know if you wanted to front yourself out as the glass-wide guy ;)

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justinh:

ahh the fun of my friends being bought new computers & me popping round & knocking out a basic game with sprites & sound in less than an hour

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justinh:

sn9: you know what I mean though. you can't just build your own addons.. PCI is a little bit more tricky than an 8-bit bus :P

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sn9:

justinh: usb-serial adapters make things simpler, though

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J-e-f-f-A:

My first technically paid job was writing a database program for a car rental business on an Apple IIe with two 5–1/4" drives... ;-) Then another a couple of years later for the same guy on an Atari ST with two 3.5" drives... Atari ST

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justinh:

still, the entry point is way higher

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sn9:

justinh: and don't forget atmel avr's

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J-e-f-f-A:

I was 15 when I wrote the first one...

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justinh:

yeah I wrote a stock control app for some guy running a car parts shop on an MSX once. Got £15 for it!

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iamlindoro_:

Then of course there's anyone under 15 or so playing emulation... "T33z g4af1x fuxx1n SuX0rzzzzzzz" *sigh*

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** iamlindoro_ weeps for our youth **

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sn9:

they'll understand someday

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J-e-f-f-A:

The hardest part about the 1st program was that he had 10,000 4-part rental forms already, and wanted to print on them. I had to step an Epson dot-matrix printer at 1/256's of an inch to get things to line up right... What a pain...

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: I noticed that. nice of you :) theiving $^&**^&*

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iamlindoro_:

Heh

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iamlindoro_:

sn9: Indeed, the aforementioned brain-nuking with the implants ;)

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justinh:

I did my best to put across that I'm not on a mission to stifle development

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iamlindoro_:

No, very nicely handled... I wouldn't be so magnanimous, I think

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe... My son actually got a kick out of my old Atari 2600 we found in a storage box last year...

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justinh:

it's really hard to be nice about it. as many people in here will be aware it can be a very touchy subject

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iamlindoro_:

Something along the lines of, "Hey, fucker! Don't pretend your theme is the cat's fucking meow when all you did was lift from three different themes. Dick."

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sn9:

J-e-f-f-A: want more of a kick? write new software for the 2600

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justinh:

demoscene!

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sn9:

yessss

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justinh:

those guys are awe-inspiring

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sn9:

yessss

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iamlindoro_:

Heh... Future crew!!

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iamlindoro_:

Those guys were nuts

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justinh:

the stuff they do.. in assembler... on undocumented gear...

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J-e-f-f-A:

sn9: I just play with microcontrollers now... Heck, the atari games can be emulated with a single PIC chip now... ;-)

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** iamlindoro_ hopes someone else remember those crazy Finns **

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sn9:

J-e-f-f-A: all the more fun to do so

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justinh:

PICs have killed hobby electronics off IMHO

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justinh:

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sn9:

justinh: no way — radio shack did that single-handedly

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iamlindoro_:

And, contemporary with all that... the greatest PC game of all time

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iamlindoro_:

Star Control 2

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justinh:

then again I wouldn't want to have to use a z80 to make an IR reciever :P

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J-e-f-f-A:

... And they're getting very, very powerful... A friend of mine knows the guy who invented the 'Trunk Tracker' device used in digital scanners... All done with a pic chip and just a few discreet compontents...

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justinh:

sn9: happen to know when the next demoscene.tv event is?

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J-e-f-f-A:

by digital scanners, I mean digital police-type scanners...

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sn9:

justinh: nope — not as happenin' here in the states

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justinh:

Next live at Breakpoint 08 from the 21st to the 24th march 2008.... ahhh :) watched the last one. I was in rapture

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Tanthrix:

sn9: Name one other place that you can go to in pretty much every major city in every state where you can easily purchase a decent variety of electronic components

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sn9:

Tanthrix: maybe in 1985, that was true of RS, but not today

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: I like Fry's, but we don't have them in the northeast...

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justinh:

maybe the market died off. maybe less true geeks these days

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sn9:

they pushed everybody else out of the business, and then left the business

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix, sn9: Yeah, RS has gone way down-hill here in new england the last few years...

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Tanthrix:

People give Radioshack a lot of crap, and I'm the first to agree that the people who work there are totally useless, but if you need a resistor or relay, and you need it quick, there's no other option than radio shack in most places

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sn9:

J-e-f-f-A: nationwide

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: I live in Fry's Hometown, and missed it in Boston.. Microcenter isn't half bad if you can't have Fry's, though

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Tanthrix:

Fry's is much better of course, but not prevolent at all, and usually out of the way. I'm lucky to have one about 30–45 min from here.

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justinh:

Tanthrix: maplin in the Uk is pretty much like that too, except maplin won't have it in stock when you want it

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Tanthrix:

Radioshack also has a great online system. You can check to see if any part is in stock at any store around you

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, Microcenter is decent. There's a good electronics store up here too called "You Do It Electronics"... Which has a much larger selection than RS ever had...

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sn9:

Tanthrix: RS charges $4 for a single resistor, and Fry's $1 for a 5-pak

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: On good ol' Memorial Driver ;)

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justinh:

and the weekend staff ask you stuff like "do you want PCI express or AGP" when you ask for Video Coax

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Ah, out on 95 ;)

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Tanthrix:

sn9: What the hell do you expect? You know how many people need a resistor on a daily basis? Probably less than .0000000001 percent of the population

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Been there... actually, set up a data center with Cat-6 I bought there

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sn9:

Tanthrix: doesn't stop fry's

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Or Rt128... ;-)

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justinh:

about the early consoles though – remember being blown away by the 'hi-res' colour graphics but when I emulated a few recently I had to put them down, unbearable

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Tanthrix:

sn9: Radioshack is actually doing a great deal to keep the hobby industry alive. I'm still surprised they even bother, since I don't think I've never seen a single other person in the parts aisle with me whenever I've needed to pick up something

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Haha, true... or via the backroads from Needham ;)

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Have I proved I lived in Boston yet? ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: That's why I've got a multi-drawer bin of resistors, caps, LEDs, transistors, etc.. ;-)

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Tanthrix:

sn9: That's because there are much fewer fry's, they offer more parts, and they tend to setup shop out of the way to save on taxes and property costs. You're being extremely naive if you think Radioshack is responsible for killing off the hobby industry.

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Here's a curveball... you know what I miss out that direction? Zathmary's.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: hehe... I spent part of the day in Boston today going to our datacenter... I had to park 1/2 mile away and 'hoof' it to the datacenter... My feet are killing me!!! (I'm a diabetic...)

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Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: Definately a great idea. Make a pilgrimage to Fry's, and get all sorts of goodies ;)

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sn9:

Tanthrix: if you monitored the industry locally here, you'd feel differently

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Boston parking *blows*

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: I used to live on Beacon

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J-e-f-f-A:

RS has closed 1/2 of their stores in this area...

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: I had to park in Boston Commons and walk to the Macys building...

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: At least it's a decent place to walk, only really have to dodge traffic on one street when you go that way

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: And BPD is uaully at that giant crosswalk near the bagel place

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iamlindoro_:

er usually

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Tanthrix:

sn9: I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Radioshack is a business whose intent is to make money. If there was a market in having as many parts on hand as Fry's does at every Radioshack in every city, they would do it.

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Tanthrix:

sn9: But, there just isn't. A lot less tinkerers nowadays. I suspect a lot of that is due to the complexity of modern devices (as mentioned earlier) combined with the fact that everything is designed to be disposable.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro_: Yeah... It wasn't that bad, just killed my feet. But on a positive note, on the way back I picked up a 16x NEC DVD-R/W SATA drive for $22 at a pawn shop... With a 12-month guarantee...

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: Hey, not bad... some burglarizing crack fiends loss is your gain!

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J-e-f-f-A:

My dad used to repair tube TVs when I was a kid, then re-sell them.

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sn9:

Tanthrix: markets don't always make money. if not targeting a market saves $$$, RS won't target it, even if someone else will. engaging in funky real estate games to prevent others from doing that is something else entirely

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Tanthrix:

sn9: And by the way, you can get a 100 pack of resistors at Radioshack for $6.49. Not sure where your 1 dollar per resistor figure came out of, other than straight out your cass.

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sn9:

it came from a RS store

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Tanthrix:

Or your ass. That too.

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iamlindoro_:

Sweet momma cass

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

He had a room full of tubes, and would check out the set, swap a tube or two, and blam, it was working perfect again... He usually got the tv's from the town dump – somebody else had thrown them out, and he would get the non-damaged ones and fix them and sell them...

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A: You see the handmade Tube video bouncing around the Intertubes yesterday?

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iamlindoro_:

Genius, beautiful work

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jamesd:

ls

[02:37:53]

Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: Ahh, for the good ole' days. Now if your set goes out you are virtually SOL, unless you've got an occilloscope and a degree in E.E. (And even then, you're still probably SOL)

[02:38:19]

sn9:

J-e-f-f-A: if only that were still possible...

[02:38:25]

J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix, sn9: I think it's $1.59 or so for a single-value 5-pack resistors at RS now...

[02:39:10]

clever:

justinh:

[02:39:14]

Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: They have quite a few options actually, including the 100 pack that I just mentioned. http://www.radioshack.com/search/index.jsp?kw . . . tor&sr=1

[02:39:30]

clever:

justinh: oops, a make clean within mythvideo 'fixed' it(didnt have to distclean or clean the other plugins)

[02:39:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix, sn9: I fixed a friend's TV last year that had physically burned parts in the power supply... I got the schematic off of the web, purchased all the parts (about $20 worth), and it worked perfectly for about a year,then did the same thing again...

[02:39:55]

sn9:

J-e-f-f-A: last i checked, there were no 5-paks at RS at all, only single units. the 5-pk was at fry's. but at halted specialties co., spare change could get more components

[02:40:07]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: i had a vcr that i left running for months at a time never shuting it off

[02:40:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: Yeah, I've got those too. ;-) I think I've got enough components to build a TV from scratch... ;-)

[02:40:22]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: at one point i unpluged it normaly and moved it to another room to plau a vhs tape

[02:40:22]

Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: Heh, fun. My claim to fame is the two motherboard's I've saved by replacing bad caps. Have a system that has been running for 3 years now since I replaced every single 1500uF cap on the board.

[02:40:30]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: it never powered up again:P

[02:40:52]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: i suspect the standby power may have fried weeks ago killing its ability to detect the power button when 'off'

[02:41:00]

sn9:

Tanthrix: one at a time, or all at once?

[02:41:02]

clever:

(weeks ago relative to when it died)

[02:41:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: I did that too, for my neighbor's computer. She complained it was shutting off randomly. I opened the side and saw the caps all 'swelled' and 'bleeding'... I got on Digikey, and $12 later (including shipping), had the parts and fixed it... ;-)

[02:41:36]

Tanthrix:

sn9: They all failed pretty much at the same time. A casulaty of the bad electrolyte solution fiasco, I'm sure.

[02:41:37]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: it also appears to have some burnt out parts under the rf sheild which i suspect is tp protect the rest from the rf in the power suply

[02:42:08]

Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: Exactly the same situation for me. I just used a bunch of caps that I stole from an old PIII mobo I had lying around though.

[02:42:20]

sn9:

Tanthrix: lucky you. one burst cap is just so much more tempting a repair

[02:42:25]

Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: I tested all the bad ones, and most were off by about 400–500 uF

[02:42:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: It's my understanding that for a year or so there were a number of inferior Electrolytic caps on the market, and many made their way into computer motherboards, video cards, etc...

[02:42:46]

Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: Aye, I read all about it. Bunch of bastards.

[02:43:08]

sn9:

they're still on the market

[02:43:31]

Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: And a year after I fixed up that system (which I gave to my mom after a bit of reliability testing), my main system's caps started bulging

[02:43:56]

clever:

ive yet to notice a cap bleeding

[02:44:05]

Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: I held off not wanting to endanger it, but all of a sudden one day I started getting hard lockups and reboots. I knew it was time to get out the soldering iron!

[02:44:09]

sn9:

clever: maybe you need glasses?

[02:44:10]

clever:

but i have had a pc emit smoke signals!

[02:44:29]

Tanthrix:

sn9: Maybe he doesn't have any inferior caps?

[02:44:31]

clever:

i was trying to move a pc off the floor and onto a shelf with it on

[02:44:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: I've been running the same MB in my M$ system for 2 or 3 years now with no issues... (Just an Athlon XP 2500+) So I think the caps are good on that board... It's an MSI...

[02:44:45]

clever:

sn9: and the loose floppy drive hit a loose wire from the pc speaker

[02:44:51]

clever:

sn9: dead short thru the speaker wire!

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Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: You're probably out of the woods then.

[02:45:05]

clever:

sn9: wire heated up and plastic began to emit smoke and a horid smell

[02:45:22]

falieson:

is there anyway I can tell ubuntu to try and redetect my sound card? (it is falsely identifying it)

[02:45:45]

clever:

Tanthrix: i have a motherboard in a desktop which has been running since 2004(with the odd short break)

[02:46:07]

clever:

Tanthrix: the bearings in the cpu fan have gone 2–3 times now

[02:46:08]

sn9:

clever: once, i accidentally shorted out a compaq proliant psu completely. it just power-cycled, and recovered as though nothing happened

[02:46:13]

clever:

multiple replacements

[02:46:30]

clever:

sn9: the one i shorted is the one thats been running since 2004

[02:46:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

hehe... my Myth backend is 2 years newer than my M$ desktop... ;-) I've got the power where it's needed! (AMD 64 x2 4600+) ;-)

[02:46:44]

clever:

i hit the power button(non atx) and removed the floppy drive

[02:46:51]

clever:

it ran fine

[02:47:15]

clever:

hitting the power button was faster then trying to track the smoke down with it still smoking!

[02:47:33]

sn9:

i wasn't fast enough even to do that

[02:47:37]

clever:

lol

[02:47:41]

clever:

smart psu!

[02:47:46]

sn9:

my reflexes are insanely slow

[02:47:56]

Tanthrix:

I've actually got a P4 board in my garage that I've been meaning to work on. Not sure if I have enough donor caps though, heh.

[02:48:04]

jamesd:

-+u2

[02:48:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: I once was fiddling with an adapter I made to use a laptop floppy with a desktop, and one of my wires 'rolled' from 5v to an odd pin on the floppy cable, an blam... smoke... and fried the motherboard's power controller chip... It would turn on and stay on about 1 out of 10 times, the other 9 times it would stay on for from 1 second to 20 then shut off.

[02:48:17]

clever:

if the psu was designed right it could detect a dead short and shut off(for more expense posibly even kill just that wire out of the psu)

[02:48:30]

clever:

before the wire began to melt and emit smoke

[02:48:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Oh, and it wouldn't turn off via software either...

[02:48:33]

javatexan:

I have a error to show...whats the best way to show it, its multiline ;)

[02:48:45]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: lol ouch

[02:48:57]

Tanthrix:

Incidentally, anyone have any experience with this particular soldering iron/station? http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/weller/solder/wd1001.htm

[02:49:00]

clever:

javatexan: pastebin.ca and friends

[02:49:03]

Tanthrix:

I've been meaning to get a new one.

[02:49:40]

Tanthrix:

That super thin pencil is very appealing to me, in comparison to the big old thing I've got now

[02:49:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: I lived with it for like 3 months until I bought a new system... ;-) I've often thought of doing that again as an 'excuse' to the wife to upgrade my system... ;-)

[02:50:12]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: lol

[02:50:25]

RyeBrye:

Tanthrix – holy shit for $250 I woudl expect the thing to do the soldering for me!

[02:50:41]

Tanthrix:

RyeBrye: Hehe. It looks like such a spiffy tool though!

[02:50:51]

RyeBrye:

Tanthrix – that it is... It looks very nice

[02:50:58]

** Tanthrix likes having top quality tools, even if he doesn't use most of them enough to make it all that worthwhile **

[02:51:10]

Tanthrix:

Though, I use my Fluke 179 quite a bit, so that was a justified purchase.

[02:51:12]

** RyeBrye wishes he lived close to Thanthrix **

[02:51:34]

sn9:

last year, i ordered a wall mount online for the lcd tv. according to ups tracking, it should now arrive this friday

[02:51:40]

Tanthrix:

RyeBrye: I'm afraid I don't lend my tools out ;)

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[02:51:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: wow, that's nice. ;-) I just have a really decent 20w/40w iron with a tiny, tiny tip atm... ;-)

[02:52:09]

RyeBrye:

I saw somewhere a really ghetto solution to getting a smaller soldering tip

[02:52:21]

** Tanthrix waits in the shadows with his 85 watt iron to stab RyeBrye in the eye **

[02:52:24]

RyeBrye:

some guy bent a paperclip out and wrapped it around his tip

[02:52:40]

sn9:

RyeBrye: not small enough

[02:52:48]

RyeBrye:

I suppose you could use a needle

[02:53:03]

sn9:

sometimes, that's not small enough, either

[02:53:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

My soldering iron tip is only about 1mm wide...

[02:53:25]

rooaus:

Tanthrix: Weller gear is pretty good. Depending on the type of work you do it could be a bit light though, not much thermal mass.

[02:54:13]

sn9:

weller gear is also sometimes parts-interchangeable with the RS store-brand stuff

[02:54:45]

Tanthrix:

rooaus: Replacing bad caps on a motherboard is about as complex as I get these days. I thought 85 watts is pretty hot, isn't it?

[02:55:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

sn9: I think the tip I've got on my RS iron is a weller tip... RS doesn't carry tips that small...

[02:55:20]

sn9:

J-e-f-f-A: same here. well, on one of them...

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sn9:

except i _know_ it's a weller tip

[02:56:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

sn9: Her's my 'primary' iron: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?p . . . 62750&cp

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sn9:

mine likely wouldn't even be in their catalog anymore

[02:56:45]

Dein:

i need help bad

[02:56:47]

larson9999:

how do you play all of your videos one after another automatically?

[02:56:50]

Tanthrix:

J-e-f-f-A: That's the same one I've got at work! ;)

[02:57:01]

sn9:

Dein: then help bad you will get

[02:57:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

Only my handle used to be yellow/gold color, and is now almost brown... ;-)

[02:57:25]

Dein:

I set my mythtv to use opengl for painting, without realizing my card is incapable of 3d (at least for now)

[02:57:31]

rooaus:

Tanthrix: Yeah probably pretty good then. The auto off feature is *nice*, probably better a better feature for a lab though.

[02:57:48]

sn9:

Dein: that's not good even if it is capable

[02:57:52]

Tanthrix:

rooaus: Actually, I *really* need that feature. I left my iron on for two days earlier this week :/

[02:57:53]

Dein:

now when I start mythfrontend or mythtv-setup, it turns to a black/blank screen

[02:58:08]

Dein:

how do I reset painting to qt?

[02:58:12]

rooaus:

Tanthrix: Yeah, good way to ruin tips :)

[02:58:36]

sn9:

Dein: yes. somebody pasted the solution to this very problem in this channel the other day. hang on...

[02:59:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

Dein: there's a flag to force it to use the QT painter... I think sn9's looking for it now... It should be in the wiki too...

[02:59:04]

Tanthrix:

rooaus: And that's actually the second time I've done that. Many years ago I left it on, and didn't remember it until the next day. I'm lucky that I didn't burn the place down. I am good about setting it back in its stand, and keeping flammables away from it though

[02:59:26]

sn9:

mythtv-setup -O themepainter=qt

[02:59:39]

sn9:

no wait

[02:59:40]

Dein:

sn9: god bless you sir

[02:59:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

... It should probably be added to the '--help' output of both mythtv-setup and mythfrontend...

[02:59:43]

sn9:

Dein: wait

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Dein:

sn9: k

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rooaus:

Tanthrix: I doubt you would be disappointed with kit like that, so if the price is right for you I would grab it.

[03:00:00]

sn9:

mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt

[03:00:01]

Tanthrix:

Dein: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

[03:00:09]

sn9:

case-sensitive

[03:00:13]

Dein:

sn9, kk

[03:00:46]

Dein:

sn9, if opengl is experimental, then why don't they mark it as such, instead of describing it like it's the land of milk and honey?

[03:00:49]

Tanthrix:

rooaus: It is a bit steep, and definately a luxuary. My birthday is coming up though, so I may drop the hint to the GF ;)

[03:00:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

Dein: Then you need to go into the setup and change it back to QT... That's just a temporary 'for this session' type of flag... ;-)

[03:01:02]

Tanthrix:

Dein: It works fine, it's probably your card that is messed up.

[03:01:08]

sn9:

Dein: it's not experimental, just sucky

[03:01:14]

Dein:

J-e-f-f-A, kk

[03:01:25]

Dein:

sn9,hmm, well I'm off to fix it.

[03:03:11]

Tanthrix:

Dein: It's neither experimental nor sucky. sn9 is incorrect. Once you get gl working on your card (and test it via glxgears) you should be good to go. Usually, it's just a matter of getting gl setup properly on the card, which can be tricky on non-nvidia cards.

[03:03:37]

sn9:

you can use it just fine, yes, but why?

[03:03:38]

Tanthrix:

Myth could do a better job of detecting that though, I suppose

[03:04:41]

Tanthrix:

sn9: Looks much nicer, and I believe it's more efficient. And with regards to video, it's often the best way to get rid of tearing issues. Some people even think GL drawing is just plain better. Those are two separate issues though.

[03:05:05]

Tanthrix:

Not sure I agree with that, but I haven't really done any extensive comparisons.

[03:05:51]

sn9:

gl more efficient? that's a sad state of affairs

[03:06:45]

Tanthrix:

Well, it does offload some processing to the video card

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sn9:

processing that would NOT otherwise hog the cpu, because it's window dressing

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[03:08:19]

sn9:

the system can simply refrain from doing it at all

[03:09:38]

Tanthrix:

sn9: Refrain from drawing the menus at all? I'm sure my GF would appreciate a command line based version of myth..

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sn9:

a "hello world" binary in opengl would be bigger than the biggest binary i knew in 1985 (70KiB)

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Tanthrix:

sn9: Welcome to 2008.

[03:10:20]

sn9:

my point exactly

[03:10:24]

Tanthrix:

sn9: I know it's a scary place, but you will adjust.

[03:10:40]

sn9:

we do stuff now that nobody bothered with before

[03:10:45]

Tanthrix:

sn9: In the mean time, stop pulling things out of your ass and dispensing them to users as advice.

[03:11:01]

alexvd:

if i am running ubuntu and have the glx driver installed nvidia 9631 how do I get to the newest driver 169.07. I am running Gutsy so would that mean just installing nvidia-glx-new or is that 100.14 the older version?

[03:11:04]

Tanthrix:

Though, to be fair, I am not a huge fan of eye candy myself. Vista to me is an eye sore.

[03:11:51]

sn9:

alexvd: depends on which card you have. there are three "current versions"

[03:12:14]

alexvd:

sn9: running a nvidia 6600

[03:12:41]

Tanthrix:

alexvd: I can't speak to ubuntu, but you could just uninstall whatever you have now, then use the binary provided by nvidia. It has a great installer.

[03:12:48]

justinh:

returning to the soldering iron talk from before, for a sec.. you can do much worse than buy yourself a 2nd hand Metcal unit

[03:12:53]

Tanthrix:

alexvd: The new driver will work with your card, it is new enough.

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alexvd:

tanthrix: thanks so just do the old manual package binary script?

[03:14:14]

Tanthrix:

alexvd: I always install straight from the binary, myself. But like I said, you might want to talk to some Ubuntu folks first. They have a chan here, #ubuntu I think.

[03:14:15]

sn9:

alexvd: i don't remember offhand which driver the 6600 needs, but woe betide if you mistakenly install the wrong one. and, never, ever expose ubuntu to the nvidia installer, or you will end up reinstalling the entire system

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alexvd:

sn9: yes exactly that is why i am asking. they have some kind of wonky system i never saw before with glx blah blah. i never use that before on knoppmyth debian

[03:15:12]

Tanthrix:

justinh: Any model in particular that you like? I'm looking for someone with some power, since these leadless boards nowadays need quite a bit of heat sometimes.

[03:16:15]

alexvd:

sn9: also I am afraid it will screw up my tv out over component because they had some kind of (very cool by the way) installer script that set tvout

[03:16:18]

justinh:

mx500 or so

[03:16:26]

sn9:

alexvd: it takes getting used to, but it will make more sense when you do

[03:16:29]

Tanthrix:

alexvd: Is there a particular reason that you want to upgrade?

[03:17:12]

Tanthrix:

justinh: Looks spendy! A lot more than that Weller I pasted earlier. I suppose second hand would be the key term, though.

[03:17:18]

alexvd:

so getting tearing or scan line on the top half of the screen. stuttering badly when i am watching a recording and comflagging. Btw have 3.2 ghz dualcore

[03:17:23]

Tanthrix:

justinh: What's your opinion of Weller gear?

[03:17:41]

sn9:

alexvd: if you use the correct nvidia binary pkg from the restricted repository, you will not screw anything up except your head

[03:18:24]

alexvd:

100.14 or glx new i tried before and it had a bug that when you enabled opengl vsync it caused green blocks all over the screen

[03:18:39]

sn9:

alexvd: then don't do that

[03:18:51]

alexvd:

right I want this 169.07 driver

[03:19:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

alexvd: is it just the top line or two, white binary 'flashing'?

[03:19:40]

sn9:

alexvd: check the readme on nvidia's website to see whether your card is supported in that version, and then use synaptic to get it if so

[03:19:46]

Tanthrix:

alexvd: You really should go to the ubuntu channel. Besides the fact that this is not a myth issue in any way, you're likely to get much better help there on this matter. sn9 is right to advise caution.

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Tanthrix:

sn9: His card is supported just fine. It's only GF4–5 stuff and below that need the legacy drivers

[03:20:11]

alexvd:

in the ubuntu channel right now. crickets

[03:20:12]

justinh:

Tanthrix: IME Weller gear just isn't up to the job. they make good cattle branding irons I hear though

[03:20:21]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[03:20:38]

sn9:

Tanthrix: i was not referring to legacy. the question was regular or new

[03:20:46]

alexvd:

daviey is in bed, laga and tgm dont answer unless its interesting to them

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alexvd:

well question is does new install 169.07 or the older .14

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sn9:

crickets in #ubuntu? hell hath frozen over

[03:21:41]

alexvd:

sorry i meant ubuntu-mythtv

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sn9:

ah

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alexvd:

ubuntu is jumping

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Tanthrix:

alexvd: There's 1133 people in ubuntu. You should get an answer if you wait a bit.

[03:22:33]

alexvd:

sorry meant mythtv-ubuntu. I will head over to regular ubuntu

[03:22:41]

sn9:

of course, you'll always find far more correct answers inside my ass than in #ubuntu, because that's the nature of #ubuntu

[03:23:53]

sn9:

n00bs helping n00bs

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alexvd:

sn9: ok that was funny but what the hell i learned linux for mythtv so cut me some slack

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justinh:

Tanthrix: generally anything Metcal bearing the term 'smart heat' will be fine with the right tip(s) ;) they're expensive but by gum they're worth it

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justinh:

anyway... way past bedtime here...

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sn9:

alexvd: ppl in this channel tell me that's where my answers come from, so that must mean you'll find far more of them if you look in there for yourself. pay no mind to the giant hemorrhoid behind the curtain...

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alexvd:

sn9: dude it was funny

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sn9:

"was" ?

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CCFL_Man2:

so, why exactly do you need specific drivers for atsc and dvb cards?

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fryfrog:

erm, cause w/o drivers it is just a piece of useless hardware?

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sn9:

"

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CCFL_Man2:

fryfrog: no, i mean, can i juse vender drivers?

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fryfrog:

oh, yeah, sure, feel free

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fryfrog:

let me know which vendor you find that has linux drivers.

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CCFL_Man2:

so i don't need v4l drivers or anything?

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sn9:

CCFL_Man2: if your vendor is avermedia, good luck...

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CCFL_Man2:

i want to use dvb-asi cards

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fryfrog:

CCFL_Man2: I guess it depends on how this vendor does their linux drivers.

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CCFL_Man2:

two venders i found make them, both have linux drivers

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alexvd:

tanthrix: thanks for sending me to ubuntu. asking questions their is like asking questions at home depot.

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fryfrog:

hahahah

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fryfrog:

or computer questions at bestbuy/compusa :p

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alexvd:

yeah even worse

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CCFL_Man2:

fryfrog: it creates a device node and has the assorted userland programs for control, etc

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sn9:

no, home depot ppl can occasionally be helpful

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fryfrog:

CCFL_Man2: their docs should tell you what you need/don't need

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fryfrog:

i've no idea if they want v4l or what ever

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alexvd:

fack might as well asked if someone new how to configure qos rules in ios

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CCFL_Man2:

fryfrog: they have their own drivers, and there own userland utils

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fryfrog:

great!

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fryfrog:

so... what are you asking then?

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CCFL_Man2:

fryfrog: to have them work with mythtv, is there any criteria those drivers must meet?

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fryfrog:

sorry, nfi :/

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sn9:

alexvd: i should try asking that in #ubuntu sometime. i could probably get away with a lot before anybody notices

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fryfrog:

i guess just fire up myth-setup and see what it says

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alexvd:

I want to install the newest nvidia 169.07 driver in mythbuntu. I am running the standard glx 9631. How do I do it

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fryfrog:

does it create a /dev/video0/ type node?

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fryfrog:

or /dev/dvb/blah? or?

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EnderTheThird:

alexvd: what distro you using?

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alexvd:

sn9: i work for cisco

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CCFL_Man2:

fryfrog: /creates /dev/asi0 type node

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sn9:

alexvd: then i shouldn't ask you, because you'd know

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fryfrog:

oh, wth is asi?

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CCFL_Man2:

fryfrog: part of the dvb standard if transmitting raw transport streams between equipment

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CCFL_Man2:

if = of

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alexvd:

actually what i wnat to know is will the glx-new install the 169.07 or the older 100.14

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sn9:

alexvd: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new

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fryfrog:

or aptitude show nvidia-glx-new

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alexvd:

100.14.19

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alexvd:

so the answer is that old crappy driver.

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sn9:

there ya go

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EnderTheThird:

100.14.19 has a painful bug with video display too

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alexvd:

i guess i would have to install by using the nvidia binary package

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fryfrog:

why not just install nvidia's binary driver then?

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EnderTheThird:

asses at nvidia, i tell ya

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alexvd:

EndertheThird: that is why i need the 169.07

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sn9:

also check the gutsy-backports repository

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alexvd:

I already hit that bug

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sn9:

and especially gutsy-proposed

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alexvd:

I thought installing the binary package would bork mythbuntu

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EnderTheThird:

i remember thinking i screwed up something at first until i found out that was a driver bug

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fryfrog:

alexvd: i don't see why it would

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EnderTheThird:

alexvd: not at all. though i do have trouble with it not loading the driver correctly on boot up (no idea why)

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sn9:

fryfrog: nvidia-glx* is the binary driver. clearly, you haven't tried it on *buntu

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EnderTheThird:

when that happens, I just have to Ctrl+Alt+F1, stop gdm, reinstall the driver, and start gdm again

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alexvd:

great so my wife has to reboot the box and then i have to fly home to get the driver loaded

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fryfrog:

sn9: oops, i guess i should restate: why do'nt you try *nvidia's* latest binary driver from nvidia's web site.

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EnderTheThird:

alexvd: could be something on my end, i'm not sure

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alexvd:

enderthethird: thats all you have to do huh?

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fryfrog:

ender's experience is abnormal, something was wrong, you don't have to do that.

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EnderTheThird:

i'm abormal. thanks

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sn9:

fryfrog: i just said why — it causes clueless ubuntu users to reinstall the system completely

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EnderTheThird:

lol

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alexvd:

sn9: yeah i actually had to do that when i hit the bug in 100.14

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EnderTheThird:

also causes some clueless users to restart X every time they want to watch porn

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alexvd:

it screwed up xorg and my tvout

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alexvd:

black screen bug hit that too

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alexvd:

stupid compiz

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EnderTheThird:

http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/ . . . 80109?rpc=64 ha

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EnderTheThird:

don't know why they're divorcing when they really just have more in common than they thought

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sn9:

EnderTheThird: is this an article on carlos & deb santana? i haven't clicked

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CCFL_Man2:

fryfrog: i'm buying c band recveivers that output a dvb-asi stream, i want to use that with mythtv

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EnderTheThird:

sn9: dude saw his wife at a brothel

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sn9:

oh

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sn9:

bobbit wannabe...

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EnderTheThird:

perhaps

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sn9:

if this happened in a community-property state, and he paid his wife for services, no money would have changed hands, and therefore, it would be legal...

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Kazan:

hmm

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code-r:

ok im trying to get my 9200 radeon to work with tvout, i got the gatos capable version of Xorg but all i get it "TVOutput" not used

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code-r:

any one know wher ei should look

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sn9:

code-r: does Xorg.0.log identify it as a "9200SE" ?

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code-r:

yes

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sn9:

if so, keep in mind that you not only need the gatos-capable X server, but the gatos-enabled radeon module itself

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code-r:

Chipset ATI Radeon 9200SE 5964 found

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sn9:

they are now rather independent of each other, after all

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code-r:

sn9: it is whatever came with Fedora Core 6 :) i'd assume it be te right one..

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sn9:

6? that's way too old

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code-r:

sorry 8

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code-r:

lol

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code-r:

fedora 8

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sn9:

8 might work, or might be just slightly too old

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code-r:

sn9: well it does look for the theater chip..

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sn9:

good sign

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code-r:

sn9: and for videon IN

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sn9:

bad sign

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code-r:

sn9: but does nto find it (doesnt have video in)

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code-r:

odd. now the computer crashes on boot cause i screwed up xorg..

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code-r:

and everythign crashes

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sn9:

when gatos was a separate project, the tv-in enabled radeon and the tv-out enabled radeon were separate branches of the driver

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tjcarter:

Hmm, I think Romney got his butt kicked.

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tjcarter:

That's probably a good thig.

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sn9:

tjcarter: only if it keeps happening

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code-r:

is thre any way to tell linux not to boot graphically with grub?

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sn9:

code-r: yes

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code-r:

sn9: any idea how?

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tjcarter:

sn9: consider that the state he got his butt kicked in gets a lot of news media coverage from his home state ;)

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tjcarter:

And yet he STILL got his butt kicked.

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sn9:

code-r: edit the kernel args line. for fedora, just add the number 3

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tjcarter:

Republicans prefer McCain or Huckabee, Christians prefer Huckabee for sure.

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tjcarter:

(To Romney at least)

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code-r:

riight init 3 :)

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tjcarter:

On the other side, I don't know what I think about Obama vs. Hillary. NH was bound to go for Hillary.

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sn9:

tjcarter: did you see ron paul trash-talk giuliani on the tonight show on monday?

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tjcarter:

I didn't

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code-r:

yep seems my xorg has the ati driver 6.7.196.2

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sn9:

it was funny

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tjcarter:

But Ron Paul is a fruitcake, so I don't pay attention to what he says

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tjcarter:

Rudy's a one-issue guy. Nobody's taking him too seriously at this point I think.

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sn9:

tjcarter: maybe if you paid more attention, you'd start actually disagreeing with him

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tjcarter:

More people are taking Ron Paul seriously.

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tjcarter:

That's scary.

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tjcarter:

sn9: No, the fundamental ideas he supports, in moderation, aren't bad.

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sn9:

agreed

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tjcarter:

The fact that he takes them to ridiculous extremes makes him a fruitcake.

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tjcarter:

Basically I don't think he's actually thought this stuff through.

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sn9:

he's been probably the least extreme nominee for president the libertarian party ever had

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tjcarter:

It's just like a libertarian fruitcake I know in Eugene.. He insists that the solution to the tax problem is to abolish the IRS and pay for it but "cutting the fat"

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sn9:

ah, oldschool party faithful...

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tjcarter:

Yeah I believe he has to change jobs every few years to keep the IRS off his back ;)

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Faithful:

You called?

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sn9:

lololol

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tjcarter:

when they catch up to him, he'll probably do 20 years ;)

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sn9:

if he doesn't got to .mx

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sn9:

*go

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code-r:

xorg paste-> http://pastebin.ca/849007

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code-r:

can sone one please take a look :-S

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sn9:

code-r: not unless something has changed since you discovered your radeon version

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code-r:

???

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code-r:

im sorry did i miss something?

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sn9:

no, i did. sorry

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code-r:

um ok !??!?!

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** code-r slightly more lost now :-P **

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sn9:

but i reiterate:

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sn9:

when gatos was a separate project, the tv-in enabled radeon and the tv-out enabled radeon were separate branches of the driver

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code-r:

ok....

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sn9:

that means you get one or the other

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sn9:

if it looks for in, it won't look for out

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mzb:

hi all

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mzb:

is DefaultStartOffset looking at negative or positive?

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code-r:

sn9: but my card doesnt HAVE in

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code-r:

sn9: only out..

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sn9:

code-r: tough nookies

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mzb:

ie. show starts at 2pm, will DefaultStartOffset=5 mean that recording starts at 1:55 or 2:05?

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code-r:

sn9 ?!?!?

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sn9:

code-r: the driver you have looks for tv-in, apparently

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code-r:

xorg log

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code-r:

and it does look for out

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code-r:

odd it thinks DVI is connected.. but the only connection i have is s-video

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code-r:

?!?!

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code-r:

(II) RADEON(0): Output VGA-0 disconnected

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code-r:

(II) RADEON(0): Output DVI-0 connected

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code-r:

(II) RADEON(0): Output S-video disconnected

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code-r:

(II) RADEON(0): Output DVI-0 using initial mode 800x600

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code-r:

(WW) RADEON(0): Option "TVOutput" is not used

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sn9:

S-video disconected <== hello!

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alexvd:

should comflagging a recording on a disk that resides on the masterbackend from a slavefrontend cause the backend to use alot of cpu utilzation

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code-r:

sn9: but im wathing my console on my tv!!! using S-Video!

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code-r:

*watching*

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sn9:

ok, *something* is borked...

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code-r:

my svideo Is connected and working on boot. i have nothing pluged into dvi

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code-r:

probaby my xorg :(

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code-r:

conf

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sn9:

connect something to dvi and see if it detects it as s-vid

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code-r:

-> http://pastebin.ca/849016

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code-r:

i dont have dvi :-S

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code-r:

uhh anythign that works with dvi

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mzb:

alexvd: depends which machine has been set to do the job ... but really commflagging doesn't use much CPU ... it's more drive bandwidth (and|or network it it's remote)

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alexvd:

mzb: I am showing 70% utilization on teh masterbackend that has the recordings. The slave backend is running the commflagging

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alexvd:

mzb: so I am confused

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code-r:

sn9: anythign :-S

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mzb:

alexvd: top? :)

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alexvd:

yes i am lookng at top for both master and slave right now.

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mzb:

also, try having gkrellmd installed on all the machines, and watch remotely with:

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mzb:

$ gkrellm -s backend &

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sn9:

code-r: "MonitorLayout" NONE? are you sure?

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alexvd:

mzb: i have tons of iobound errors in the messages and buffer overflows

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mzb:

makes it very easy to find out what is going where ;)

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alexvd:

when recording

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mzb:

doesn't sound good

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alexvd:

the backend is a 1ghz pentium3 that has 5 tuners and 4 hardrives

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alexvd:

10/100

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alexvd:

all it does is record. I dont use it as frontend.

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code-r:

hmm

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sn9:

five tuners?

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code-r:

"(II) RADEON(0): Output S-video has no monitor section"

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alexvd:

the frontend is a slavefrontend that is 3.2ghz dualcore that I used to watch recordings

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sn9:

code-r: there ya go...

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alexvd:

my backend only has 256 rdram

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code-r:

sn9: what does that even mean lol

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sn9:

code-r: MonitorLayout is wrong, usually

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code-r:

" Option "MonitorLayout" "TV"

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alexvd:

mzb: when using top should i be looking at the cpu usage on the top where it says CPU (s) or on the lower section where it has %CPU

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code-r:

?!?

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sn9:

code-r: try

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sn9:

can't hurt

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mzb:

alexvd: I've moved mine around so much I've almost lost count ... but for a number of reasons, I've found the best solution to my particular setup is to have the recordings drive on the mbe, and run all the big jobs there.

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code-r:

thats whati have

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mzb:

alexvd: both

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sn9:

code-r: pastebin said otherwise

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mzb:

alexvd: one of my slave frontends is actually the one with the tuners

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alexvd:

mzb: yeah i have all the drives on teh backend but the processor is too slow. I have to use the slave to do comflagging but i think its hammering the backend

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code-r:

sn9: just tried it...

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mzb:

s/slave frontend/slave backend with frontend/

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code-r:

(II) RADEON(0): Output S-video using monitor section S-video

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code-r:

(II) RADEON(0): EDID for output S-video

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code-r:

(II) RADEON(0): Output S-video disconnected

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code-r:

arg

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mzb:

alexvd: install gkrellmd .... pretty pictures and graphs are much easier to understand

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alexvd:

i just dont understand why the backend should have any utilization if I am running comflagging from the slave

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alexvd:

mzb: just humor me for a second it shows cpu on the top section at 2.2% but the mythbackend process 79.8%

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alexvd:

mzb: forget it I am moron that is just the first column

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sn9:

code-r: did you try "AUTO, NONE" ?

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sn9:

assuming you have nothing on vga

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mzb:

alexvd: install gkrellmd !!

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mzb:

(and gkrellm on your host)

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code-r:

31146:(II) RADEON(0): EDID for output S-video

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code-r:

31186-(II) RADEON(0): Output VGA-0 disconnected

[04:45:21]

code-r:

31228-(II) RADEON(0): Output DVI-0 connected

[04:45:21]

code-r:

31267:(II) RADEON(0): Output S-video disconnected

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code-r:

31311-(II) RADEON(0): Output DVI-0 using initial mode 800x600

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sn9:

code-r: jeez, i'm gonna have read the actual source code myself to help you any more...

[04:46:41]

code-r:

:-S arg i ahte ati!

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sn9:

it's not their code

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sn9:

that i'd really hate

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code-r:

yes but its trier hard-to-support cards!

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code-r:

and its a new card.. 9200 is not that bloody old

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code-r:

no propriatery support :(

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sn9:

you're lucky

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code-r:

*sniff*

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code-r:

first the 7200 cars

[04:48:48]

code-r:

now my 9200 !

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sn9:

if it *were* supported, you'd have much more trouble

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code-r:

???

[04:49:38]

code-r:

how so

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sn9:

ati code is yuck

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code-r:

is it so hard to ask for some video out on a graphic card!

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sn9:

it would be harder if you had to ask ati

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code-r:

to bad ati is now amd!

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sn9:

no, that's good

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mzb:

hopefully that will mean it will get better :)

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sn9:

it means they have amd to answer to

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mzb:

wait until it's an amd-influenced design, with amd software and _then_ blame amd if it isn't right ... they'll get the idea

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JohnQ:

Is there any trick to getting mythvideo to play flv files?

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mzb:

add flv as an extension in mythvideo and then tell it what to do with them ;)

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JohnQ:

good idea... :-) is there a player that'll do the right thing with em?

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code-r:

why does xorg say its version 1.3.0?

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code-r:

sould it be like 7.3.1?!?!?

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jhulst:

I have my Athlon X2 running at ~40 C and the motherboard running at ~35 C under load, is this excessive? Do I need more cooling?

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mzb:

my CPU is on 59 C, SYS 42 ... but then it's been building DVD's for about 5 hours ... and the room temp is now 33 C

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mzb:

jhulst: so no ... probably not ;)

[05:00:33]

jhulst:

mzb: What processor?

[05:00:41]

mzb:

A64 3200+

[05:01:28]

mzb:

actually ... two different CPU readings ... one says 59 the other says 52

[05:01:41]

mzb:

speaking of temp ... it's beer o'clock!

[05:01:43]

mzb:

brb ;)

[05:02:03]

jhulst:

okay, I think I'll be alright, I'm trying to quiet my case with a Athlon X2 5000

[05:02:44]

mzb:

the sempron 3400+ next to it is pretty busy too (and has more drives) and is about 50C for everything

[05:03:03]

mzb:

(they like to talk to each other over gigabit link;)

[05:03:18]

mzb:

and there is NO airflow in this room

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JohnQ:

is mplayer supposed to be able to play a flv file?

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jamesd:

jhulst buy quiet fans... bigger the better.. my x2 5200+ is damm quiet

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sn9:

code-r: MonitorLayout should be STV, not TV, and it should be TVStandard, not TVOutput

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sn9:

code-r: wakey, wakey, your answer is ^^^

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sn9:

straight from the source's mouth

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code-r:

still the same thing :(

[05:14:43]

code-r:

s-video disconnected

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squish102:

what is the best upnp av client to use with mythtv (running on win xp)?

[05:15:10]

sn9:

with "MonitorLayout" "STV" ?

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code-r:

yes

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code-r:

and tvoutputformat instead of tvoutput

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sn9:

try "STV, NONE"

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code-r:

oops

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sn9:

tvstandard

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code-r:

yes thats what i ment

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code-r:

and still dvi connected..

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sn9:

with "MonitorLayout" "STV, NONE" ?

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code-r:

yes

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sn9:

you are using an s-vid input on the tv, right? not a composite adapter?

[05:17:31]

code-r:

yes

[05:17:42]

code-r:

the card has DVI, S-video, va

[05:17:45]

code-r:

i have s-video connected

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code-r:

and i had to flip the jumper on the card

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sn9:

jumper???

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code-r:

cause everythign was like.. wrapping around the screan on boot

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code-r:

i think it was default ntsc or pal

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sn9:

oh

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code-r:

only thing pluged in is s-video

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code-r:

(big round cable with 4 prongs and a black plastic place fitter thingy)

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sn9:

also, shouldn't NoDCC be NoDDC?

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code-r:

still says dvi is connected

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code-r:

aaaaaaaargs

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code-r:

and i think the propiatery drivers are suppored on the 9200

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sn9:

they were recntly

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sn9:

they were recently, but afaik, not now

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code-r:

yes sorry your right :(

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code-r:

no longer supported

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code-r:

arg

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code-r:

well time to hit the sack...

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code-r:

enough of this for one day

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sn9:

one more thing for me to check...

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code-r:

k

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code-r:

....

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code-r:

.......

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code-r:

msg me please i must head off

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sn9:

code-r: just a sec, and you can't get msgs, because you didn't id to nickserv

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code-r:

oo/

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code-r is now known as code-er

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code-er:

there we go :)

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code-er:

good old nickserv

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sn9:

code-er: Option "ForceTVOut" "true"

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code-er:

lol Still says svideo disconnected

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code-er:

whats the diff between pci 1:0:0 and 1:0:1

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code-er:

ther is only 1 card..

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sn9:

leave out the busid

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code-er:

naany way to force tvout on a port?

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sn9:

aside from ForceTVOut?

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code-er:

it doesnt detect anything on svideo

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code-er:

(II) RADEON(0): Port0: DDCType-3, DACType-0, TMDSType-0, ConnectorType-2

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code-er:

(II) RADEON(0): Port1: DDCType-2, DACType-1, TMDSType-0, ConnectorType-3

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code-er:

(II) RADEON(0): Port5: DDCType-0, DACType-1, TMDSType-2, ConnectorType-6

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sn9:

Option "TVDACLoadDetect" "true"

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code-er:

stil disconected

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code-er:

ill try to post the whole xorg omorrow when im at work

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code-er:

i gatta go now sorry thanxd for all the help sn9

[05:46:15]

** code-er away **

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sn9:

code-er: is that the latest radeon you could get

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sn9:

?

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rsp2k:

I'm looking to purchase a micro-atx mobo for my HD frontend. does anyone have any recommendations?

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sn9:

frontend? just whatever you like — figure it out after you get it

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rsp2k:

I was hoping for an answer more like: I use XYZ board. or use an Intel quad core 65W chip...

[06:33:44]

sn9:

it's easier for you to point to something and ask about it

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rsp2k:

also, ATI or NVidia?

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sn9:

for video out? nvidia

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rsp2k:

I've been playing around with an older 5200 and it blows

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sn9:

everything does, but for myth frontends, nvidia blows far less

[06:38:31]

rooaus:

rsp2k: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/306341 might have some useful info in it for you.

[06:39:40]

jhulst:

rsp2k: I have an Asus M2NPV-VM that works well for me

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rsp2k:

jhulst: do you have suspend working?

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sn9:

you can get M2A-VM's for cheap, but they'll be a ppain

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rsp2k:

I'd like onboard video sufficent for HD w HDMI or DVI output

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rsp2k:

seems like it'd be quiter without a fan on the vid card

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sn9:

m2a-vm qualifies, but it's ati video

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rsp2k:

is a multi core better for a front-end?

[06:43:14]

jhulst:

rsp2k: I have debian installed and I think it does some behind the scenes magic on a shutdown, I've never tried an actual suspend but bootup time is very fast

[06:44:01]

jhulst:

rsp2k: The m2npv has Nvidia DVI and I use it for HD as well

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rsp2k:

I picked up an Antec fusion black from Comp-USA for cheap. didn't notice it was micro atx

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sn9:

micro atx boards are quite common, but the asus m2* are not micro

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jhulst:

my m2npv is micro

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sn9:

ok, maybe some are

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rsp2k:

sure it is. I'm looking at a picture of one right now.

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rsp2k:

it even has a com port (2!)

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rsp2k:

most of the hdmi boards I've seen don't have any

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jhulst:

rsp2k: Which board?

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sn9:

with a bracket sold separately, yes

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rsp2k:

M2NPV-VM

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jhulst:

right, you need a bracket

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DGnome:

rsp2k: ive used som MSI boards for AMD cpu:s and they usually work just fine. I'd recommend an AMD BE2400 cpu and Asus motherboard (antec nsk2480 chassis also :).

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rsp2k:

as long as they have 10 pin headers on the mobo I'm happy. it's only for IR

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sn9:

lirc_serial, i hope, not lirc_sir...

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rsp2k:

I've got a ASUS A7N8X on my desk right now that won't post

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sn9:

why not?

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rsp2k:

the on-board sound is blown, so I can't hear the post problem. this particular board actually says whats wrong in english.

[06:49:30]

rsp2k:

if the sound is working.

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sn9:

borrow a pci post card

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_banyan:

Hello... This question concerns mytharchive. I'm a new user of it. I have a disk waiting for the prep of the various episodes to be completed (mythtranscodes, etc.). Can I exit the log viewer and watch TV while mytharchive is thinking, or will that halt the process?

[07:13:08]

_banyan:

and is anyone awake to see the question and respond? :-) before the disc starts burning...

[07:14:06]

sn9:

i saw the question, but i don't know the answer

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_banyan:

I would start another frontend only I didn't think of it.

[07:15:59]

_banyan:

do you use mytharchive sn9?

[07:16:27]

sn9:

haven't yet, or i might know

[07:17:43]

_banyan:

I expected the burned content would look the same played back from myth and on the dvd from a player, but the dvd copy looks a little worse. Better than a videotape, but still a little "meh".

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sn9:

that's because it's transcoded

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_banyan:

It'd be nice to get some feedback about the best way to get good quality. And why does it look good out of mythfrontend on my 32" tube but so-so on a 32" lcd off the burned cd.

[07:19:31]

_banyan:

I don't select any re-encoding.

[07:19:46]

_banyan:

though maybe *that* is the issue.

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sn9:

the original myth file is not encoded to dvd specs, ergo export to dvd involves transcoding

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_banyan:

Though it should be possible to transcode the captured data while maintaining the same quality. Essentially reformatting.

[07:25:33]

sn9:

transcoding != reformatting

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_banyan:

I'll have to google the whole mytharchive thing. It does a quite good job — creates menus for you with pictures and descriptions of the shows, and it even has menu music. Which I would like to know how to change.

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_banyan:

It seems as though if I have a source file with a given resolution, colour depth and frames per second, and I want the same resolution, colour depth and frame rate in the destination file, that should be achievable without the destination being lower quality than the source...

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sn9:

you're forgetting compression bitrate

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_banyan:

Are dvds at a set compression bitrate?

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sn9:

i don't remember that for sure, but the codec is set

[07:29:16]

_banyan:

If not, that's another item that a person could leave unchanged...

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sn9:

resolution is 720x480, though, iirc

[07:30:10]

_banyan:

I capture at that resolution. I think...

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sn9:

wait, "capture"? are you using a framegrabber?

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_banyan:

I really do think that all this stuff is getting way more complex than it used to be. Occam's razor has gotten dull where computers are concerned and there are many more entities than it seems is absolutely necessary when you go to do anything.

[07:32:37]

_banyan:

I'm using Hauppauge cards and ivtv.

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sn9:

ioh, ok

[07:32:49]

sn9:

*oh

[07:33:26]

sn9:

dunno why it's happening, then

[07:33:57]

_banyan:

I mean, it's not *bad* but it looks better on my tube, which is being fed a signal from the 350's tv-out.

[07:35:33]

Tanthrix:

_banyan: Due to the complex nature of MPEG2 video, it's not a simple matter of just plopping the file down on the dvd and burning it. Reencoding has to be done, and it's possible that is causing your quality loss. (Only other possibility is that you're setting too low a bitrate or some such thing)

[07:36:15]

_banyan:

TVs might be one of those situations where analog processes compensate for lots of sins that digital processes don't and my tube just looks better for that reason than the lcd.

[07:36:47]

Tanthrix:

_banyan: Oh, so you're comparing this on two separate TVs then?

[07:37:27]

_banyan:

yeah, just out of laziness. I can fire up the dvd player on the same tv when my current burn completes. Maybe it really is the same.

[07:37:30]

Tanthrix:

_banyan: I might recommend playing it back on your regular myth system. Then you could confirm whether or not it's the conversion process that you're noticing, or just the differences between CRTs and LCDs

[07:37:39]

sn9:

the 350's decoder is also a factor

[07:38:13]

_banyan:

It is really a great decoder.

[07:38:37]

_banyan:

At least it looks great to me, whereas my nvidia out was scary-bad.

[07:38:37]

sn9:

too great, in this case

[07:38:43]

Tanthrix:

_banyan: Personally, I think that part of the issue with LCDs is that are amazingly sharp, and tend to be bigger than CRTs. No blurring to cover up the shitty quality of 480i video (and no interlacing issues)

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Tanthrix:

_banyan: So, at first, CRTs look better. But once you get used to watching on a LCD, the reverse tends to be come true, at least for me. While you may not see as many artifacts, you notice the lessened detail

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Tanthrix:

(When doing SD material, I mean – obviously HD content looks magnitudes better on a HD set)

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_banyan:

yeah, I noticed that motion looks way worse on the burned dvd. I guess the transcode process doesn't do the i-to-p conversion.

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_banyan:

Yeah, in the sense that you can watch HD on an HD set but you can't watch HD at all on an SD set. :-) plus comparing the SD vs. HD versions of a given show, it's a joke how much better the HD looks.

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sn9:

well, hd can be downscaled to sd

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adante:

and depending on the scaler, does actually look better than sd

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_banyan:

that hardware can get obscenely expensive.

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sn9:

yes, but prices continue to drop

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_banyan:

I did note that the mytharchive estimated disk space of something burned onto CD doesn't seem to properly take the cutlist into account, so the actual space is usually far smaller than the estimated.

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_banyan:

e.g. a half-hour Dog the Bounty Hunter comes in at 1.8 GB even though I have cut out everything but the 5 minutes that I'm in. j/k

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_banyan:

Hmm, it actually looks about the same on the tube off the dvd. It's not bad but not great...

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sn9:

yeah, well, digital streaming > ivtv

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_banyan:

You mean, re: the hd quality?

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sn9:

even sd

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_banyan:

SD is not lossy but hd is encoded.with a lossy algorithm like mp3. of course, with a giant bit rate it seems good.

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sn9:

ivtv is lossy

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bidossessi:

hi ; new myth user here. installed mythtv in opensuse 10.3 and activated the "monitor cd/dvd" option . but it fails to mount cds because all on-the-fly mounting is done by halmount and not mount. just wanted to know if there's a way i can change that

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hataricus:

hi guys

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hataricus:

anyone here online at this moment ?

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rsp2k:

nope

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hataricus:

lol thnx

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bidossessi:

other problem:mythmusic fails playing any media with the same error (decoderOgg/decoderMAD failed to open input; error 5); but i have all necessary libraries and packages installed

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bidossessi:

or at least i think i do: the howto mentions libraries necessary for compiling; i installed from rpm

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hataricus:

i tried different channels with no good result

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hataricus:

i am trying to play tvtime with my tv-tuner leadtek winfast tv 2000 xp expert and im getting errors

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hataricus:

maybe some1 could help me, plz ?

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sn9:

hataricus: #linuxtv would be the best place for such questions, but don't expect quick answers

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hataricus:

lol thnx

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bidossessi:

other problem:mythmusic fails playing any media with the same error (decoderOgg/decoderMAD failed to open input; error 5); but i have all necessary libraries and packages installed: notice; i'm using the local frontend, so definitely not a remote issue

[09:04:55]

bidossessi:

my system is opensuse 10.3

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bidossessi:

when i do a test-run with mythbuntu, everything works. i can't pinpoint where the error would be

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Faithful:

Hey guys, I was saying that my display has horizontal stripes like an interlace problem but I notice when I rip DVDs that the files are stripey when I play them back on a pc???

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lphst:

okay, problem is the following: I installed MythDora succesfully on my computer, configured it the best way I can, got the xmltv tv_grab_fi to work, added correct frequencies to the channels and tried to watch some tv. No success.

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lphst:

I got two Hauppauge WinTV-Nova-T DVB-T capture cards

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justinh:

with DVB cards you don't 'add frequencies to the channels'. You _scan_ for channels in mythtv-setup

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lphst:

and they work flawlessly on Kaffeine (just someone on a forum said that I should test that)

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lphst:

okay

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lphst:

another question, how do I change the language of my MythTV installation?

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justinh:

so stop mythbackend, run mythtv-setup. delete all the channels, then scan for channels. you'll have to assign xmltvids for each channel later so the guide will have data

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bassboi:

hey guys... i'm having some slight issues. my mythtv box doesn't play xvid videos on the frontend, but they play fine in the GUI... what am I to do?

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bassboi:

desktop gui, that is*

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justinh:

you change the language preferences in mythfrontend lphst

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justinh:

bassboi: do you have mplayer installed? IIRC some versions of mythtv default to mplayer being the player for video files. Change the 'video player command' (utils/setup > media settings > video > playback) to Internal

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bassboi:

lemme try that

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bassboi:

now it just displays a black screen

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justinh:

and the frontend log he say?

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bassboi:

where can i find log

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DarK:

bassboi: I once had the same problem

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DarK:

but I fixed it by installing the nvidia_new drivers

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bassboi:

ah

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DarK:

mplayer needed 'gl' for video output

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DarK:

which it didnt have by using the default 'nv' drivers

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bassboi:

k

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DarK:

I think the logfiles can be found in /var/log/mythtv/

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DarK:

but not entirely sure...Im quite new to mythtv :)

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bassboi:

ok :)

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bassboi:

me too

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Puhi:

logfile location can be specified on command line when starting mythtv

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Puhi:

if you're using some prepackaged binary version /var/log/mythtv sounds like the right place

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bassboi:

yep

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bassboi:

/var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log

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bassboi:

i believe it's reporting bunches of audio errors

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bassboi:

would that cause the video not to work?

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lphst:

is EIT same as On Air Guide?

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lphst:

or On Air Channel Guide?

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lphst:

so, I scanned the channels for mythtv, but how am I supposed to get the xmltv to work now?

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Jonny88:

just a quick question, I want to run myth tv (possibly using mythbuntu) using two usb sticks instead of a HDD (one 2gb for the install, one 4 or 8gb for data) any advice or things I should be aware of?

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Daviey:

erm

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Daviey:

data = recordings?

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Jonny88:

data being all the music files I want to playback

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Daviey:

oh, ok then

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justinh:

!trout mythtvtalk.com

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** MythLogBot slaps mythtvtalk.com with a trout on behalf of justinh... **

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bassboi:

yeaa homies

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mzb:

too busy playing with myth to respond to that ;)

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lphst:

justinh: hey, after I've got the scanning process done and I added the XMLTVID in mythtv-setup, do I just go for mythfilldatabase?

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justinh:

if there are any channels you haven't entered xmltvids for in mythtv-setup – that you previously set up when you configured tv_grab – they'll be added as blank unusable channels!

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justinh:

I really do wish you lot would RTFM

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lphst:

so, I scan first and then do tv_grab?

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justinh:

you're about as likely to succeed getting mythtv to work by randomly trying stuff out as you'd cure cancer by eating different combinations of dirt

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directhex|bsp:

force mythtv-setup to be a front-to-back wizard until a user's first successful channel tune!

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DGnome:

What information exactly does xmltv grab?

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lphst:

tv_grab_fi

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lphst:

so apparently the channel listing from finnish tv-guide site called telkku.com

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DGnome:

which is exactly the same as transmitted EIT or even worse :)

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DGnome:

<3 EIT

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lphst:

ummm... I'd say it's better than EIT

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lphst:

but, then again, I might be wrong

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lphst:

I just don't get that in what order is the scanning and tv grabbing supposed to do

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DGnome:

Program type tags may be better

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lphst:

but is there information for long enough in EIT? If I want to record some program next week or something

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DGnome:

EIT is seven days, enough for me

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visit0r:

yep, telkku.com is usually 2 weeks

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mzb:

DGnome: it really depends on your location, the quality of the grabber, and the quality of the EIT

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mzb:

(re quality)

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DGnome:

I know

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mzb:

don't complain ... it takes my grabber over 30 mins to run (on a good day;)

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DGnome:

and I love EIT

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mzb:

(when it's working;)

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DGnome:

no bs

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DGnome:

i just scan for channels and tadaa.wav, program info comes in

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mzb:

heh

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DGnome:

:)

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mzb:

you've got it easy then :)

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mzb:

my grabber even updates itself on the fly (every night)

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DGnome:

DVB-T & DVB-C in Vaasa, Finland

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DGnome:

MythTV does a really great job

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mzb:

but then there are special circumstances in .au ... apparently EIT was enabled 9 days ago, but I've not tried it yet

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DGnome:

oh

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DGnome:

I thought EIT was the main reason for digitalising tv :)

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DGnome:

and ofcurse to "save" bandwidth

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DGnome:

If only YLE & Digita would stop being greedy

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mzb:

hmm ... .au TV industry had other ideas ;)

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mzb:

(hence the slow adoption of tivo-like devices here;)

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DGnome:

Some of our channels have really low BW

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mzb:

they declared that their TV programmes were copyright

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adante:

mzb: i saw some nye ads saying they were going to be introduced this year

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DGnome:

One even had half PAL resolution a while ago :D

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mzb:

yes, Jan 2

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adante:

mzb: NEW AND FAB!!!

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adante:

to be fair i guess we've had iq for a while

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mzb:

*with rules and conditions*

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adante:

dyou watch futurama mzb

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mzb:

y

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adante:

i swear it's being censored

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mzb:

(tonight's had already been recorded;)

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mzb:

(The Why of Fry ... iiirc)

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mzb:

(last showing Oct 24 or thereabouts)

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Puhi:

does mythfilldatabase remove old program data from db?

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Puhi:

or does the backend do that by itself nowadays?

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DGnome:

menu theme customized for great logic... what to fix next? :)

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mzb:

errr ... I think it might if it regards the data as stale

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sn9:

other than ambiguous expletives, what is there to censor in futurama?

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adante:

sn9: yeah well seems a little sad that they feel they have to

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mzb:

not half as bad as Family Guy or American Dad in that respect ;) (even though they're a later timeslot)

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mzb:

adante: got evidence?

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adante:

mzb: not anymore (recording expired)

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adante:

if you still have the episode

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mzb:

so description in lieu of evidence?

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adante:

war is the h-word

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mzb:

I probably do

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mzb:

hang on

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adante:

there's a scene where brannigan talks about his 'very sexy learning disability'

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sn9:

i've only seen a little of american dad, so i can't say about it, but censoring family guy i'll believe

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adante:

anyway, yeah that scene was cut from the fta broadcast

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adante:

there was another scene cut in an episode a few days later but i forget

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adante:

oh actually

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adante:

hrm

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DGnome:

didn't think futurama would be censored

[13:18:38]

adante:

it might have been the parasites lost episode where zoidberg rides into the stomach on a sperm going 'you'll never guess where i've been'

[13:18:45]

adante:

but i'm 50/50 on that one

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mzb:

adante: 2007-12–18 18:30:00

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adante:

mzb: still got either of those eps?

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mzb:

I don't delete anything ;)

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mzb:

2007-12–18 18:30:00 War Is The H-Word

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adante:

haha.. any chance you can check, because i'm really curious

[13:21:30]

adante:

i'm 99% on the h-word

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DarK:

im having troubles setting up my tv. I want to have the same screen on my monitor as on my tv. I tried 'nvidia-settings' but now the screen is spread over both screens.

[13:21:38]

adante:

dunno about parasites lost

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adante:

mzb: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/570087/futurama_sexlexia/ clip i'm referring to

[13:22:27]

mzb:

adante: hmmm ... I'll have to bribe the boss ... she's supposed to be putting in my eye ointment (a painful procedure) about 20mins ago ... so I'm already past curfew

[13:23:11]

mzb:

2007-12–20 18:30:00 Parasites Lost

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mzb:

got both

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adante:

haha don't bother, i'll bug you about it in a few days anyway :]

[13:23:30]

mzb:

but really going to get my arse chewed

[13:23:31]

adante:

far be it from me to try to countermand orders from SWMBO

[13:23:44]

mzb:

yes, please do ... more than happy to check

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mzb:

np Rumpole ;)

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hataricus:

mm guys

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hataricus:

could help me with something

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bassboi:

morning!

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hataricus:

im trying to watch tv through tvtime

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hataricus:

some1 told me i should ask for some help here

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hataricus:

my tvtuner seems to recognized

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hataricus:

but tvtime gives me an error: yuy2 overlay something

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sn9:

hataricus: well, i told you to ask in #linuxtv

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hataricus:

well there is no one there :)

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sn9:

i said that, too

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mzb:

heh

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hataricus:

i know ..:))

[13:27:07]

hataricus:

im banging my head for 2 days now :(

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mzb:

tvtime mailing list then?

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mzb:

(if your google skills aren't up to it;)

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hataricus:

i think google`s on fire

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hataricus:

and my o key from my keyboard cant be seen very well

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hataricus:

as how much i typed google these last few days

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sn9:

hataricus: does it work right outside tvtime? such as in xawtv or mplayer?

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hataricus:

havent tried any other app

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hataricus:

:|

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sn9:

do that before you google

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hataricus:

ok

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sn9:

somebody please paste the esr smart ?'s url for hataricus ...

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sn9:

i don't have it handy

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mzb:

gnite all ... adante: let me know when you want me to preview those shows ... I'll be archiving them before I delete them ... as I say ... "I don't delete anything" (my downfall I'm afraid ... I don't thow anything away either!;) ... ie: being called a file-squirrel by justinh is the least of my concerns

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mzb:

s/thow/throw/

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adante:

hah no worries mate, yeah i'll give you a ring inthe next few days

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mzb:

np

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mzb:

gnite

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DarK:

/usr/bin/wget http://www.mythportal.be/sites/mythportal.be/files/guide.xml.gz

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DarK:

/bin/gunzip -f guide.xml.gz

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DarK:

uh oops, sorry! wrong channel, never mind

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DarK:

im having problems watching videos in mythtv, they work when browsing with thunar to the videofolder and opening them with mplayer, but they wont start in mythtv. :( Any idea?

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bassboi:

me too!

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bassboi:

bassboi: do you have mplayer installed? IIRC some versions of mythtv default to mplayer being the player for video files. Change the 'video player command' (utils/setup > media settings > video > playback) to Internal

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bassboi:

<bassboi> lemme try that

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bassboi:

i did that

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bassboi:

and now all i get is a black screen

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DarK:

the problem is only with .avi files, .mpg's work fine in mythtv

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bassboi:

hm

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bassboi:

lemme try something

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bassboi:

lol

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bassboi:

brb

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GreyFoxx:

DarK: What happens?

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GreyFoxx:

What does the frontend output ?

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DarK:

It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available.

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DarK:

Run 'xvinfo' to verify its Xv support and read DOCS/HTML/en/video.html#xv!

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DarK:

See 'mplayer -vo help' for other (non-xv) video out drivers. Try -vo x11

[14:21:12]

DarK:

Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.

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DarK:

Im having a Nvidia 7300 videocard, using the nvidia_new drivers

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DarK:

hmm I changed the player settings and changed from -vo xv to -vo x11, that worked for me

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directhex|bsp:

broken xv is a bad thing

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DarK:

directhex|bsp: it is? why? and how do I fix it?

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directhex|bsp:

because x11 means your CPU is forced to do all video playback functions, e.g. scaling and color conversion, which is highly cpu intensive and usually looks much worse

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directhex|bsp:

and unless you've done very strange things to your system (e.g. use a dumb distro) xv ought to just work. xvinfo should tell you about your xv capabilities

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adante:

lol okay

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adante:

so last night i disabled commercial flagging

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adante:

as in disallowed commflagging jobs in mythtv-setup

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_mre|666:

now why would you go do something like that?

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adante:

in the hopes it would.. stop commercial flagging

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_mre|666:

commercial flagging kicks ass

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DarK:

directhex|bsp: im using mythbuntu

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adante:

now there's a giant backlog of commercial flagging + transcode jobs

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_mre|666:

mythdora here

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DarK:

X-Video Extension version 2.2

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DarK:

screen #0 no adaptors present

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_mre|666:

adante: i don't transcode my recordings...

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directhex|bsp:

DarK, well, you've somehow broken your xv. how did you install your 3d driver?

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_mre|666:

just using commercial flagging for watching them later

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adante:

_mre|666: i am the other way around

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directhex|bsp:

"glxinfo | grep direct" ?

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DarK:

directhex|bsp: using the restricted-manager tool included with mythbuntu

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directhex|bsp:

"glxinfo | grep direct" ?

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DarK:

Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".

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_mre|666:

adante: i bought a stack of DVD+RW DL disks last night... to backup my recordings

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DarK:

it repeats that message 6 times

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_mre|666:

i should reencode them

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_mre|666:

would make sense

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bassboi:

gonna reinstall mythbuntu for like the 3rd time

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_mre|666:

fuck mythbuntu

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_mre|666:

seriously

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directhex|bsp:

DarK, you've got a really buggered driver install

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_mre|666:

i hate that dist

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_mre|666:

try mythdora

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_mre|666:

it's very nice

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DarK:

I tried mythdora but it wouldnt boot on my pc :(

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Daviey:

_mre|666: fuck you

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_mre|666:

and is supported by the guy that wrote Hacking MythTV

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_mre|666:

whoa... taking things too personally

[14:34:09]

_mre|666:

dark: that sucks... what was the problem?

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DarK:

tbh I dont know, it couldnt find my on board vga the first time

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DarK:

and after I got that fixed, it couldnt find my hd (problem with SATA controller I guess)

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_mre|666:

ohh mythbuntu? i thought you said knoppmyth

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directhex|bsp:

_mre|666, seems fairly standard fedora behaviour to me

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_mre|666:

knoppmyth i can't stand... heh

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_mre|666:

never tried mythbuntu

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DarK:

its even worse than ubuntu

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_mre|666:

directhex: the support for it is there

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DarK:

im a gentoo user normally

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_mre|666:

well... i tried mythtv as a frontend on a debian etch box

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DarK:

but I thought mythbuntu would be quick to setup...its not :)

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_mre|666:

it was terrible

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_mre|666:

mythbuntu new?

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Daviey:

DarK: then report a bug and/or stop using it

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_mre|666:

i really thought he said knoppmyth before... heh, needed a cup of coffee

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Daviey:

_mre|666: even so, rubbishing peoples work is not cool

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** directhex|bsp smells a fucked nvidia-glx install, wonders what funy gentooish things were done to xorg.conf **

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directhex|bsp:

Daviey, can i rubbish crap work?

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_mre|666:

daviey: i don't like how knoppmyth is put together

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_mre|666:

it's terrible

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_mre|666:

i haven't used mythbuntu

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_mre|666:

i was wrong to say bad about it, but i honestly just confused the distro

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_mre|666:

s

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Daviey:

directhex|bsp: sure :)

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directhex|bsp:

Daviey, kanotix SUCKS. there!

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Daviey:

non-free drivers suck harder

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directhex|bsp:

Daviey, there's lots to hate in free drivers too

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Daviey:

directhex|bsp: fglrx is probably the worst pre-compiled binary in existence

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directhex|bsp:

Daviey, funny thing is, there's worse. e.g. highpoint proprietary raid driver

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Daviey:

:(

[14:40:10]

Daviey:

Don't think i would trust a proprietary driver with RAID

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directhex|bsp:

Daviey, good thinking!

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directhex|bsp:

Daviey, i've not heard any success stories with creative's x-fi driver either

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Daviey:

I use Linux software RAID-1 for production, never had a problem

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_mre|666:

could never get linux raid working with these lame software raid controllers

[14:41:58]

_mre|666:

but that's typical

[14:41:59]

directhex|bsp:

md is considered enterprise grade by sgi

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directhex|bsp:

most multi-million-dollar altix deployments use md. they only added hardware raid support about 8 months ago

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CaptObviousman:

hmm

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CaptObviousman:

so I'm looking at a card based on an ATI Theater 650

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CaptObviousman:

which I've learned is also called a TV Wonder 650

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CaptObviousman:

there's a TV Wonder Pro and an HDTV Wonder in the card list, but no 650

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CaptObviousman:

anybody have/currently use this card?

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bassboi:

LoL

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justinh:

Xvid

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directhex|bsp:

h264

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bassboi:

Xvid sucks

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directhex|bsp:

indeo!

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directhex|bsp:

now THERE'S a codec

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bassboi:

i tried to compare flac and mp3

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bassboi:

i couldn't tell a difference

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bassboi:

other than 31MB

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CaptObviousman:

well the real test is to convert both files straight to vorbis

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CaptObviousman:

then you'll hear the difference

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directhex|bsp:

bassboi, then speakers or ears are in need of upgrading

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bassboi:

my ears should

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bassboi:

i deafened myself

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justinh:

hence the nick

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bassboi:

with music

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bassboi:

yz

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bassboi:

yzyz

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alexvd:

Daviey: Can you tell me how to upgrade to the latest driver in mythbuntu for nvidia 169.07. I know that you can use restricted manager or synaptic but the synaptic version is older 100.14 and that has bugs. So I cant just install glx-new. Right now I am running glx

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directhex|bsp:

http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html

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Daviey:

alexvd: i don't use nvidia – but

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directhex|bsp:

use at your own risk, your mileage may vary, etc etc etc

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Daviey:

directhex|bsp beat me -i was building up the disclaimer

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alexvd:

ok I will check that out.

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CaptObviousman:

that'll teach you to warn people first

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directhex|bsp:

works for me at home, and better written than tat like automatix

[15:03:14]

justinh:

warning people first only works when people listen

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alexvd:

oh thats the envy stuff i am a bit leary of all the issues i have heard about

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directhex|bsp:

i could spend an hour telling you how to do it by hand. envy just automates the process

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directhex|bsp:

just remember not to let it mess with your config files

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CaptObviousman:

or if you do, back every config file up first

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alexvd:

directhex: i thought that by installing the binary it would screw up mythbuntu. the nvidia installer doesnt play nice.

[15:05:26]

alexvd:

directhex: then mythbuntu puked and i had to reinstall the box

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directhex|bsp:

alexvd, nvidia-installer will definitely hose your box

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justinh:

weel, duh. bypassing packages can have unpredictable results

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directhex|bsp:

alexvd, by "manual" i mean "build an nvidia-glx source package, build a kernel module, set up redirections, etc"

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alexvd:

directhex: pass

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alexvd:

thanks for the offer though

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stuen93:

I am having trouble getting mythtv to record in any format other then .nuv. I installed mythdora and am using the plextor convertx capture card.

[15:08:14]

stuen93:

is there a way to get mythtv to record in other formats?

[15:08:24]

justinh:

nope

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justinh:

I'm chock full o good news (tm)

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stuen93:

thanks

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stuen93:

so you have to use another program to encode it?

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directhex|bsp:

there aren't many headerless containers which can use mpeg4

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justinh:

nuvexport

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stuen93:

i saw nuvexport but wanted to make sure that was the correct way to go

[15:10:18]

stuen93:

thanks

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alexvd:

Daviey: is it normal for a process like ata/0 to run for 230 hour on mythbuntu and constantly be using 40% cpu utilization

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alexvd:

daviey: even when idle

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Kazan:

in top isn't it the % of current utilization, then total utilization is displayed at the top

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Kazan:

so 40% of 1

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Kazan:

40% of 1% utilization is possible

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alexvd:

Kazan: i rebooted the box and now none of those are running so I am perplexed. xfs_fsr was running for 30 minutes using 27% and kblockd

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alexvd:

Kazan: they were all running constantly even with nothing recording, commflagging etc..

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Daviey:

alexvd: no – not seen that

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alexvd:

Kazan: the box was doing nothing and I had 0% idle and 77% hi cpu usage

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CaptObviousman:

humm

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CaptObviousman:

this Anandtech article brings up a good point I hadn't thought of before

[15:19:12]

CaptObviousman:

are these capture cards real sluggish to change channels? Because that's a huge irritation of mine

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justinh:

what cards?

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alexvd:

Daviey: anyone have a guide to pair down mythbuntu the box is only use for recording no frontend. It has only 256m of RDRAM and 1ghz processor

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CaptObviousman:

was looking at this ATi Theater 650

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CaptObviousman:

well, a card based upon that

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justinh:

CaptObviousman: AVOID ATI

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justinh:

no linux drivers for any of their 'theater' based tuner cards

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CaptObviousman:

duly noted

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Daviey:

alexvd: /etc/ini.d/gdm stop will help :)

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justinh:

as for channel change time – it's as dependant on mythtv as it is the tuner card & drivers

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justinh:

and as for that, wtf are you doing watching live tv so much? ;)

[15:21:26]

CaptObviousman:

what I don't want is to click the channel change button and it takes the tuner 2+ seconds to retune, then another 2 seconds for myth to fire up

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alexvd:

Daviey: isnt that for the frontend this is just for a backend

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justinh:

that's last century's paradigm

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CaptObviousman:

justinh: nfl football

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justinh:

CaptObviousman: no need to watch it 'as live' though

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justinh:

10 mins delay so you can skip ads :)

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justinh:

1 hour, skip half time

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alexvd:

CaptObviousman: I watch football all the time. I watch it live. Going to take a few seconds to change

[15:22:24]

CaptObviousman:

I watch it all day Sunday with a bunch of other guys online

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CaptObviousman:

so skipping ads = no go

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justinh:

sounds gay

[15:22:43]

CaptObviousman:

you know what YOU SOUND GAY

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CaptObviousman:

hmm

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CaptObviousman:

perhaps I need two capture cards, one for Fox and the other for CBS

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CaptObviousman:

then I just hop back and forth between streams

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alexvd:

not going to matter i have three cards

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justinh:

takes time to switch still

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CaptObviousman:

well, at least that eliminates the tuner lag

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justinh:

if you just want to watch live tv, don't use mythtv

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CaptObviousman:

I don't just want to watch live tv

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CaptObviousman:

in fact, football is the only thing I plan on watching live

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CaptObviousman:

maybe the occasional basketball game

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alexvd:

hey if you have a deathwish i think linuxmce has somekind of bypass

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justinh:

so you won't be channel surfing much in which case the channel change time isn't of much consequence

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alexvd:

that you can watch livetv

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CaptObviousman:

I've been flipping back and forth between NFC and AFC games, that's about it

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justinh:

oh noes. another load of puppies just got killed

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CaptObviousman:

there must not be many NFL ticket subscribers in here

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justinh:

CaptObviousman: depending on the tuner type & your system channel change times can be around 5 secs or more

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alexvd:

CaptObviousman: the only thing i have heard that does imediate changes supposedly is linuxmce

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** CaptObviousman looks linuxmce up **

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alexvd:

good luck trying to get it to work

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justinh:

if they're based so heavily on mythtv that claim is gonna turn out to be false

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alexvd:

supposedly

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justinh:

tvtime!

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CaptObviousman:

eww, total solution

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CaptObviousman:

based on Ubuntu

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alexvd:

I thought Daniel one of the main developers is working on that project. If he cant get that stuff to work than forget it

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CaptObviousman:

ok, so mythtv has to build up a head of steam before displaying the new channel's picture

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justinh:

it's not instant on my system at home but it's generally faster than on my cable co's STB

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CaptObviousman:

oh, really?

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CaptObviousman:

well that makes me happy to hear

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CaptObviousman:

My dad's STB takes around 4–5 seconds I think

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justinh:

with an analogue pvr card it'll be quicker than that

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CaptObviousman:

I'm not using an analog card =P

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CaptObviousman:

anyways, you've satisfied my curiousity

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justinh:

digital cards.. YMMV. depends on all sorts like the driver

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GreyFoxx:

alexvd: Daniel working on linuxmce you mean ?

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alexvd:

GreyFoxx: yeah some kind of community manager

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GreyFoxx:

I don't think he has anything to do with them

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, have you dumped your eliza installation for the entertainer yet? :)

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GreyFoxx:

Or I should say, you are the very first person I've ever heard connect his name to that project

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alexvd:

I thought it was on the webpage and announced

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alexvd:

GreyFoxx: hey I could be totally wrong

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok

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alexvd:

27 Oct 2007

[15:33:35]

alexvd:

An official community liason has been appointed

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alexvd:

Daniel Kristjansson, one of the main developers for MythTV, has agreed to fill the much needed role of the official LinuxMCE community liason

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GreyFoxx:

I looked, his name is on there as a liason, basically if you have dev questions about the myth bits try hiom

[15:33:52]

GreyFoxx:

he doesn't actively use or work on linuxmce

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GreyFoxx:

he's just a contact within myth their devs can use

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GreyFoxx:

Which is a good thing of course

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alexvd:

GreyFoxx: The only reason I considered it was because he might be involved but it sounds like they are having a lot of issues

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justinh:

funny but there's not been much back towards mythtv from them has there?

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: nothing I'm aware of no

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GreyFoxx:

I might install linuxmce one day, just to see it outside of the annoying video

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: it's just as bad

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GreyFoxx:

alexvd: I know we get a lot of people in here asking if anyone uses linuxmce

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jams:

the eay that readk DTK is now the main guy for linuxmce.

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alexvd:

I thought the same thing. But you need some gear and I am not giving up my cisco network

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GreyFoxx:

not sure beyond that

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GreyFoxx:

jams: I'm gonna email him to find out for sure. Maybe he is and it's just never been mentioned before

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jams:

GreyFoxx- sounds good.

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bassboi:

fucking a

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bassboi:

i got it to work justinh

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justinh:

now that KDE are gunning to make linuxmce their default media center (sic)...

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bassboi:

i changed the settings like u said, but I also unchecked the box that said somethin bout "use default player" or something

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** iamlindoro woke from a dead sleep feeling ill. Now he just realizes it was all the LinuxMCE talk. **

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CaptObviousman:

the reviews on Newegg for the KWorld 115 are less than flattering

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directhex|bsp:

i realise what the elisa ui reminds me of

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jams:

i once tried linuxmce, but after 4 hours of walking through intallation wizards I gave up.

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directhex|bsp:

it's a 90 degree rotation of the sony xmb interface frmo the psp and ps3

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justinh:

I'm not one for stifling development usually but I just wish all that talent would come & work on the one true project instead

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alexvd:

directhex: are you running elisa it looks cool but does it work?

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justinh:

alexvd: 1. it looks gash. 2. it crashes a LOT

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GreyFoxx:

jams: sent :)

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bassboi:

in the video settings, set the avi file type command to Internal, and unchecked "use default player"

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bassboi:

works like a charm now

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alexvd:

justinh: it started out looking nice then as it got along in dev it looked worse and worse. I just like the apple ripoff menu thing

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iamlindoro:

CaptObviousman: All those negative reviews are based on usage in windows with MCE or crap Kworld software... it works fine in myth, no recognizable diference between it and my HD 5500 from a usage standpoint

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jams:

GreyFoxx- knowing DTK, you should have a response by now.

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CaptObviousman:

one review indicated a heat issue

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justinh:

alexvd: maybe it's more to do with how badly drawn the icons are, I dunno

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CaptObviousman:

does it get exceptionally hot? Do I need to stick a fan on it?

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justinh:

badly drawn/chosen.. :)

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bassboi:

ty justinh

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bassboi:

:)

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alexvd:

justinh: be nice to use for just the music part. everything else blows donkey

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iamlindoro:

CaptObviousman: No.

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CaptObviousman:

ok then

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** CaptObviousman buys that **

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CaptObviousman:

thanks for the advice

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iamlindoro:

No problem. Likely some of the bad reviews are due to unrealistic expectations, too

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iamlindoro:

Like not realizing all you will get is what your Cable Co puts out in the clear

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CaptObviousman:

the overheating sounds like someone using the analog side

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CaptObviousman:

and doing on-card encoding or something

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iamlindoro:

Card doesn't have an encoder

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iamlindoro:

The analog side is just a framegrabber

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justinh:

alexvd: they also make out 'you HAVE to use Fluendo codecs to play mp3, mpeg etc'

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** CaptObviousman didn't even bother to check, as that's not what he's after **

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CaptObviousman:

whee

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CaptObviousman:

so next week finally

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iamlindoro:

CaptObviousman: Just went through them all... amusingly, every review that mentions Myth gives the card a 5 ;)

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** iamlindoro doesn't want to go to work and wonders if he can conjure up a cold **

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CaptObviousman:

=)

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** CaptObviousman sneezes on iamlindoro **

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CaptObviousman:

there you go

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CaptObviousman:

I've been sick for a week

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iamlindoro:

haha

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Kazan:

holy crap!

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Kazan:

500GB Western Digital HD

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Kazan:

$105

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iamlindoro:

Kazan: I bought 10 x 500 GB drives (External) for $109 about a month ago... is that one internal or external?

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Kazan:

internal

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Kazan:

you bought 10 500GB external drives? for work i assume

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iamlindoro:

I'll see if I can dig up the link in case you are interested in getting a case

[15:47:00]

iamlindoro:

Kazan: yeah, exactly, cheaper than tape

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** Kazan slaps his old PATA drives into USB2 enclosuers **

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Kazan:

more reliable than tape too aren't they? :P

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justinh:

here's an innovating idea. when you go to print something to a network printer, it should tell you somehow that the printer is offline because it's broken. FFS

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Kazan:

lol justinh

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CaptObviousman:

nah

[15:47:42]

Kazan:

but.. that would ... make sense

[15:47:45]

Kazan:

and then the world go razy

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Kazan:

crazy*

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CaptObviousman:

every user needs to discover for himself that the printer's broken

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CaptObviousman:

that way each of you has an equal opportuinty to bitch

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CaptObviousman:

gotta keep the ol' BQ up

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iamlindoro:

Kazan: Amusingly, it's gone up a buck... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822154150

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justinh:

no tv & no beer & broken network printer make justinh go crazy

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armbar:

Anyone seen mythmusic fail to compile? I just updated my mythplugins last night and I have this build problem. http://pastebin.ca/849502

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Kazan:

the WDs have 8MB caches

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Kazan:

mythmusic is really easy to make fail to compile

[15:49:27]

Kazan:

it only has about 8 software prereqs

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armbar:

At revision 15409

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Kazan:

um... try make clean

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Kazan:

then make again

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Kazan:

and get the actual compile error

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CaptObviousman:

boy that's pathetic

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Kazan:

infact

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Kazan:

make clean

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Kazan:

./configure

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iamlindoro:

Kazan: Yeah, so do these externals... I'm not arguing one over the other, just saying if you have a need for an external/also or something, that's also a good deal

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Kazan:

make

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** CaptObviousman is earning 0.5% interest on his savings account **

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Kazan:

CaptObviousman: ?

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CaptObviousman:

no no, not what you were talking about

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Kazan:

oh.. i mistyped

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Kazan:

the WD has 16MB cache as opposed to those externals 8MB

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iamlindoro:

Ah. Well, for myth purposes 8 will do :) Again, not pitting one against the other, just showing a comparable deal if you needed an external also

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** Kazan wonders if he dare go eat something **

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iamlindoro:

$6 for the case isn't a bad deal

[15:51:37]

** Kazan had a migraine so bad last night he barfed (and he normally doesn't get migraines) **

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Kazan:

true... 16MB cache would be good for gamers

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directhex|bsp:

so would some pie

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armbar:

Kazan: http://pastebin.ca/849507

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Kazan:

mmmm pie

[15:52:52]

Kazan:

now i'm going to have to go get on the buss and bring back a cherry pie or something :P

[15:53:10]

Kazan:

interesting

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Kazan:

#

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Kazan:

aacdecoder.cpp: In member function 'bool aacDecoder::initializeMP4()':

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Kazan:

#

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Kazan:

aacdecoder.cpp:309: error: cannot convert 'long unsigned int*' to 'uint32_t*' for argument '4' to 'int8_t NeAACDecInit2(void*, unsigned char*, uint32_t, uint32_t*, uint8_t*)'

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armbar:

ko

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** Kazan pulls up the timeline **

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Kazan:

what is your platform armbar?

[15:53:45]

armbar:

sidux

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justinh:

missing libaac-dev or similar?

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Kazan:

justinh: how would that cause a conversion error?

[15:54:24]

Kazan:

it's rejecting an implicit typecast

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justinh:

if you're so fscking clever, you fix it then

[15:55:34]

Kazan:

that file in trunk hasn't been altered in 5 months

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Kazan:

what is your hardware armbar

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armbar:

CPU[AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+ clocked at 1000.000 Mhz] Kernel[Linux 2.6.23.12-slh64-smp-1 x86_64] Up[-20days-] Mem[-486.2/1888.2MB-] HDD[-1000GB(81%used)-] Procs[-108-] Client[Shell]

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iamlindoro:

I think linux portmanteaus should be banned

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iamlindoro:

No more Cat + dog = cog

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Kazan:

umm... what version are you trying to compile armbar?

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CaptObviousman:

example?

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directhex|bsp:

iamlindoro, i can't carry coats with linux?

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armbar:

At revision 15409

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Kazan:

that is meaningless armbar

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Kazan:

without knowing which branch you're using

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armbar:

Kazan: trunk

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iamlindoro:

Examples: Myth<distroword>, sidux, etc.

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Kazan:

there is no call to NeAACDecInit2 in aacdecoder.cpp that i see

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iamlindoro:

armbar: did you remove your packaged versions of myth *before* you attempted to compile anything?

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justinh:

maybe only updating the plugins is a bad idea

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armbar:

Kazan: I have been running trunk for 1 year and updating regularly. This is new.

[15:59:08]

Kazan:

i just compiled trunk about 5 or 6 times in the last two days

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Kazan:

i'm looking at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . cdecoder.cpp right now

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armbar:

Kazan: ok

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Kazan:

searching doesn't find any call to NeAACDecInit2

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Kazan:

been reported before

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Kazan:

something else must be #define'd to it

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** Kazan looks at the ticket **

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armbar:

Kazan: what version are you running of trunk

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Kazan:

moment

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Kazan:

Revision: 15390

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armbar:

i see

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iamlindoro:

armbar: I'm svn up'ing now, I'll let you know how it goes

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armbar:

ok

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** Kazan looks at the timeline **

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Kazan:

nothing between 15390 and 15409 touched aacdecoder

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iamlindoro:

hasn't been changed since 15382

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Kazan:

it's last commit time was 5 months ago

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iamlindoro:

Nothing in mythmusic period since 15382

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Kazan:

are you sure all your required libraries are up to date

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armbar:

no

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Kazan:

there you go

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armbar:

but my stsem is up-to-date

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Kazan:

which means nothing

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Kazan:

what distro are you using

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armbar:

what do I check?

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armbar:

sidux

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Kazan:

i'm assuming your version of libfaac

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Kazan:

sidux? wtf is sidux?

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iamlindoro:

a protmanteau

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Kazan:

[root@thorin mythplugins]# rpm -qa | grep -i aac

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Kazan:

faac-1.25–2.lvn7

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iamlindoro:

er portmanteau

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Kazan:

eww.. debian based

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iamlindoro:

and yet using Rpm

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iamlindoro:

ewwwwwwwww

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Kazan:

if it's debian based, assume it's out of date :P

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justinh:

debian live cd? is somebody kidding?

[16:06:38]

Kazan:

justinh: it can be installed to a harddrive :P

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** Kazan is going to have to recompile myth today anyway **

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armbar:

sidux with debian sid repos

[16:07:08]

justinh:

sidux is an anagram of id sux

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iamlindoro:

is dix

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Kazan:

armbar is this a production system or a new install

[16:07:54]

Kazan:

because i'm going to highly recommend you move to a standard distro

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directhex|bsp:

sidux is a largely pointless debian unstable plus extra dodgy cruft

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armbar:

Kazan: it has been installed for 2 years, running mythtv svn trunk for 1 year

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iamlindoro:

I'm running cocksuxlinux and Myth won't compile. Myth sucks!

[16:08:43]

Kazan:

and does it have somesort of update mechanism

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Kazan:

to keep your libraries up to date

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directhex|bsp:

debian unstable is designed to break. that's why it's there. so things break, and don't get moved to testing in a broken state

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armbar:

apt-get install libfaac-dev

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armbar:

libfaac-dev is already the newest version.

[16:09:54]

iamlindoro:

yeah, in the repos

[16:10:05]

iamlindoro:

come to think of it, that's misleading language

[16:10:05]

Kazan:

what is the version of libfaac installed armbar

[16:10:18]

Kazan:

someone who knows deb package commands tell him how to check that

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directhex|bsp:

dpkg -l libfaac-dev

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directhex|bsp:

or apt-cache policy libfaac-dev

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Kazan:

ty directhex|bsp

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iamlindoro:

1.25 should be fine

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iamlindoro:

(I believe)

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Kazan:

it's what is on my machine iamlindoro :P

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iamlindoro:

I'm only on 1.24 and MythMusic works okay for me

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Kazan:

on that note.. faac-devel isn't installed :/

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** Kazan smacks his machine **

[16:14:00]

Kazan:

hey iamlindoro make sure aac support is even compiling in your mythmusic

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iamlindoro:

It is

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Kazan:

even if faac and faac-devel installed i still get "will not be included"

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justinh:

never bother with aac myself. what's it for anyway?

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iamlindoro:

Theoretically if one were foolish enough to use the iTunes "convert to aac" option it would be compatible with myth

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justinh:

ah so no point whatsoever then :)

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Kazan:

faad2-devel wasn't installed

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iamlindoro:

iTunes also defaults to ripping to AAC now, too

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, aac audio. it's used by a bunch of things, e.g. audio in itunes trailers

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justinh:

iwho what? ;)

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Kazan:

rotfl

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Kazan:

it will STILL not be included

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directhex|bsp:

apple.com trailers, even

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justinh:

oh those things. something else I have no interest in

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directhex|bsp:

it's a reasonable audio codec. better than mp3, anyway

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justinh:

so's ogg & flac

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** Kazan gives directhex|bsp a lot of flac for supporting anything from rotten-apple :P **

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Kazan:

j/k

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Kazan:

althoght... rm -rf apple

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, flac's a different type of codec. as for vorbis, that's one of the usual comparisons

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psm321_:

hi

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directhex|bsp:

that and wma9

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psm321_:

any opinions on hd-3000 vs. hd-5500?

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justinh:

wma? who in their right mind...?

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ivor:

http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&a . . . ord2=hd-5500

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psm321_:

heh

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Kazan:

are 3000s even available anymore

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psm321_:

hd 3000 is some ati mobility card or something too

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psm321_:

yes

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justinh:

tell us something we didn't know: http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&a . . . word2=freevo

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, in the end, people want to use their music collections of many years. and most people aren't smart enough to make informed codec choices – they use the default codec on default quality in their default ripping app. which means wma for the past few years

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** Kazan shudders... microsoft formats **

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armbar:

kazan; apt-cache policy libfaac-dev

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armbar:

Installed: 1.26–0.1

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justinh:

so glad I'm not 'people'

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iamlindoro:

FYI, svn up and compile worked fine

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Kazan:

armbar: interesting.... wonder if they changed a function header in 1.26

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GreyFoxx:

jams: got a reply from dk. he is basically running it these days

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GreyFoxx:

originally he was just helping from a mythside, but for various reasons is bsaically the main guy helping run it

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jams:

really thats very interesting

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jams:

unexpected as well

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armbar:

iamlindoro: what is your version of libfacc-dev?

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iamlindoro:

1.2.4

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armbar:

update it :)

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iamlindoro:

like hell

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armbar:

haha

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alexvd:

Greyfoxx: somewhere i read that Paul the guy who ported Pluto got brain fry and bailed out

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GreyFoxx:

well sometimes we get in over our heads I guess

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iamlindoro:

armbar: an alternative is to *remove* one of the AAC dependencies and build mythmusic without it

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armbar:

well, I do not use mythmusic now so I will just disable that

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armbar:

thanks iamlindoro and Kazan

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alexvd:

hey its good that Dk is doing it. maybe he can bring some of the cool stuff over. I always like the idea of it. Justin could share help out with the UI cuz that is but ugly

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iamlindoro:

If it didn't have a UI that looked like a monkey humping a football, I might even try it

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GreyFoxx:

alexvd: There was one thing I liked in the interface, the rest was poo. But to each their own. If we didn't jhave choices life would suck :)

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justinh:

the day I help with the linuxmce is the day hell freezes over

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alexvd:

justinh: i knew you would say that

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alexvd:

thats why i threw it out

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justinh:

nothing personal or anything. I just have no use for it. can't ever see me needing such an overblown app

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alexvd:

I would like to consolidate my opensource projects. misterhouse, asterisk and myth so in theory it makes sense

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: lemme guess. the video gallery thing. that looked half decent I thought

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alexvd:

video gallery would be nice improvement. everyone these days has a slick ui

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justinh:

slick != usable

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justinh:

myth mostly has that part right IMHO. so it's not animated. boo hoo

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Dibblah:

I thought it was?

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Dibblah:

... Hesitates to mention Mepo and OpenGL transitions ;)

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justinh:

you mean with alphapulse & the PNG flipbook? lol

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justinh:

animated as in things moving

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alexvd:

Mepo is cool

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alexvd:

I used it

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: yeah\

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justinh:

pinching somebody else's skin idea & animated character is dead easy

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alexvd:

Opengl would hang after a while but it wasnt bad

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DGnome:

I've tried linuxmce twice. Tought it was horrible and unstable. Then when I got to know that the mythtv-frontend has to be started alongside to watch tv... jeeeeeeeeeez

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alexvd:

hey i said in theory linuxmce would be good.

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justinh:

how awesome would it be though if people put egos to one side & all came together to work on the same project?

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DGnome:

justinh: it would be gay :)

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justinh:

hahahaha. look at what I just said. "put egos to one side"... rofl

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alexvd:

says the man who thinks everyone else skins blow donkeys

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justinh:

seriously though.. all that creative input working towards a common goal </tree hug>

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justinh:

alexvd: no I don't

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justinh:

I'm saying that pinching other people's ideas is easy

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alexvd:

true. do you think the xbmc skins are good?

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alexvd:

i should say which ones

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justinh:

I admire them for the amount of hard work that went into them. not something I like myself though

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justinh:

PM3 is still the gold standard IMHO

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alexvd:

yeah that is my favorite too

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justinh:

it's too dark for my own personal preferences though

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justinh:

anyway alexvd I barely even like my _own_ themes ffs

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justinh:

so I'm not saying my work is any better than anybody else's

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alexvd:

justinh: your stuff is top notch

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alexvd:

well i like blootube wide

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jams:

woohoo updated myth and it didn't break anything for me!

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justinh:

jams: I've even been tempted to see if I can make mythappearance work for 0.20 just for kicks

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justinh:

prolly would actually

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jams:

justinh- so where is the menu entry? going to give it a try now

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justinh:

jams: in the default menu theme it's under utils

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jams:

nevermind found it. Seems you have to install it before it show up in the menu ;)

[16:51:51]

justinh:

<depends> ;)

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jams:

nice work

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justinh:

cheers jams. almost broke my brain doing it ;)

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jams:

suppose it's to much to ask to view the inactive arrow ?

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justinh:

I thought about that and then remembered XBMC – which arrow is active?

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justinh:

it'd need 2 extra images otherwise. not sure it's worth that

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jams:

yeah i was thinking a darkgrey arrow or something to show it was inactive.

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jams:

either way it worked for me

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Kazan:

anyone else going to be watching the terminator series?

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justinh:

only allows you to move 25% of the screen size too. figured that'd be enough to compensate for most overscan scenarios

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Kazan:

friggen woot.. i get it in HD

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: I know you are not a fan of the via stuff, but did the TV out look good?

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: pretty good. not as shiny as my new Intel board or a recent nvidia out IMHO.

[16:57:11]

GreyFoxx:

ok

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jams:

it was decent but good enough to make up for the other shortcomings.

[16:57:37]

jams:

err not good enough.

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jams:

GreyFoxx- going for the 1 inch fainless ?

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GreyFoxx:

I am thinking of replacing the TVout on the slavebackend which is feeding the FE to my motherinlaws

[16:58:20]

GreyFoxx:

jams: nah, just looking at that site made me thinking of their TVout and wonder about the quality of it

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justinh:

I think on the epia stuff the board layout has a role to play in the tv out quality

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justinh:

chroma is a bit noisy on svideo

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jams:

next time your in WI feel free to stop in a pickup my VIA.

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willcooke:

Womens Institute?

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GreyFoxx:

jams: heh

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GreyFoxx:

I'm now on the hunt for "perfect".

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: my fx5200 svideo out is about on a par with a panasonic rv-20 DVD player

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GreyFoxx:

For example last night I played the same via in mythand on my xbox360 and while I was happy with my current nvidia card the xbox360 was markedly better

[17:00:17]

justinh:

as in.. I can't tell the difference once it's calibrated

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: alll

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

the 2 cards I'm looking to replace are GF4 MX440's

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justinh:

get a PLUGE test pattern on DVD, adjust bright/contrast of the TV with a DVD player, then do the same on the PC

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GreyFoxx:

and now I want something on par with the 360's output

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GreyFoxx:

actually I have a testpattern iso here somehwere

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justinh:

the nvidia tv encoder is shit hot

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ivor:

GreyFoxx: justinh: also note the current drivers for via have a lot of potential for tweaking the quality of the output.

[17:01:50]

justinh:

ivor: I went off epia a while ago. mythtv woes aplenty

[17:01:56]

jams:

hey ivor

[17:02:04]

ivor:

jams: howdy.

[17:02:35]

ivor:

justinh: yup, can be a pain... but dusted mine off over christmas and its nice to have a silent fanless diskless frontend running.

[17:02:42]

jams:

it's been a while, didn't even think you were in the channel.

[17:02:43]

GreyFoxx:

The output of my msntv2's are identical to the 360, (msntv2 uses a conexant tv encoder)

[17:03:01]

GreyFoxx:

so now I want these other 2 FE's to match that kind of output

[17:03:10]

justinh:

ivor: replaced it with an Aopen i945GMm-HL. pretty much silent still

[17:03:25]

justinh:

core2 duo mobile 1.83 :)

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ivor:

"pretty much silent" :) vs "silent"

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justinh:

pretty much silent and able to play BBC recordings vs silent & can't play at 1x from BBC channels... hrmmm

[17:04:36]

ivor:

yeah ok, can be a pain to get working. :)

[17:04:45]

justinh:

pretty much silent == can't hear it unless you put your head right next to the case

[17:04:52]

ivor:

I'll concede that one to you.

[17:05:17]

justinh:

ivor: getting it working isn't what's hard. getting it to behave consistently is

[17:05:37]

ivor:

usually ok until someone checks in a change to the Xv code.

[17:05:56]

justinh:

and I was using minimyth, which AFAICT uses bleeding edge everything

[17:06:28]

justinh:

and it ain't the easiest thing to diagnose problems on.. building it takes a wee while ;)

[17:06:29]

ivor:

anyway... I was happy mine was up and running nicely over christmas. in time for the Extras special.

[17:06:39]

ivor:

building? compiling you mean?

[17:06:45]

justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

to debug, mess about with libs etc

[17:06:52]

ivor:

that's done on the compile farm. duh.

[17:07:02]

justinh:

lol

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ivor:

no one in their right mind would compile on an epia. ffs.

[17:07:10]

justinh:

I love my core2 though

[17:07:17]

justinh:

as if!

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** GreyFoxx starts looking at newer nvidia cards **

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justinh:

was building it on my fastest box at the time – the athlon 2800XP. still took over 10 hours

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GreyFoxx:

anyone think of any brands to avoid ?

[17:08:13]

justinh:

used XFX & Sparkle. they seem fine

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justinh:

can't speak for newer cards though

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stuen93:

can anyone give me any pointers as to getting nuvtools installed?

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justinh:

nope. tried nuvexport?

[17:13:07]

stuen93:

no i haven't

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stuen93:

i thought that was part of nuvtools i guess

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xris:

what's nuvtools?

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justinh:

nuvtools is Beirdo's baby AFAIK

[17:14:11]

justinh:

nuv2avi n stuff

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xris:

oh, that stuff

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xris:

he hasn't touched that in a long time, unfortunately

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stuen93:

nuvexport looks like it is documented pretty well

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xris:

I've tried

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xris:

and the user community took up the rest of the slack in the wiki

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reber:

hi all

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reber:

how to have a tv listing (tv guide). I tried xmltv and it's gui, not very sexy imho

[17:19:55]

jduggan:

get a different theme

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iamlindoro__:

I wasn't aware that XMLtv *had* a GUI

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iamlindoro__:

Interesting

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iamlindoro__:

anyway, myth shouldn't need any xmltv gui, you just need xmltv to grab, and then import with mythfilldatabase

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reber:

iamlindoro, how can i use it daily without having to deal with xmltv grab every day ?

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iamlindoro__:

by running it with cron

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reber:

gosh

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justinh:

or letting mythbackend run it

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justinh:

assuming you're talking about using xmltv with mythtv of course

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iamlindoro__:

Listen to justinh, I don't use xmltv

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reber:

new to mythtv, i still never installed id. Do you think it's overbloated just to have *tv listing* (tv guide) ?

[17:24:17]

iamlindoro__:

justinh, And if he's not, he's in the wrong room ;)

[17:24:22]

reber:

s/id/it

[17:24:32]

iamlindoro__:

reber, if you just *want a tv guide, yes, that is major overkill

[17:24:33]

justinh:

reber: way too much just to show a tv guide on your machine

[17:24:44]

reber:

:(

[17:26:14]

stuen93:

is it possible to have mythtv automatically run nuvexport with a certain set of parameters and then have the outputted video show up in myth's web interface?

[17:26:36]

reber:

i also discoverde mediaportal, is it the same kind of tools ?

[17:26:37]

iamlindoro__:

stuen93, You can script anything you want, that should be easily doable

[17:27:02]

iamlindoro__:

reber, both myth and mediaportal are media center softwares... They are *not* just to put a tv guide on your screen

[17:27:20]

stuen93:

and then run it as a user job?

[17:27:34]

iamlindoro__:

correct

[17:27:40]

justinh:

stuen93: see the mythtv wiki entries about USER JOBS

[17:27:43]

iamlindoro__:

reber, You would be better off with some little widget for your desktop if all you want is TV listings

[17:27:54]

stuen93:

thanks, i'll check that out

[17:28:15]

reber:

iamlindoro, i'm not aware of any of these widgets

[17:28:47]

iamlindoro__:

reber, let me see what there is for you...Who is your TV provider? Neuf?

[17:29:09]

justinh:

reber: check out freeguide

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iamlindoro__:

Ma tante habite a Marseille ;)

[17:30:09]

reber:

iamlindoro, neuf ? no, i just have tnt/hertz channels.

[17:30:30]

reber:

justinh, just checked out yesterday, it crashes

[17:31:53]

iamlindoro__:

French Myth users are lucky ducks, Neuf is totally open IPTV

[17:31:56]

fysa:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/08/directvs-pc-tuner-is-real/

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reber:

iamlindoro, only availabe for neuf clients ?

[17:32:53]

iamlindoro__:

yes

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xris:

stuen93: user job with --profile is my recommendation

[17:33:15]

reber:

maybe free isn't that bad for iptv

[17:33:47]

xris:

I added the profile stuff specifically for user jobs (to avoid putting all of those cli options into the user job field, making it easier to change later)

[17:34:07]

justinh:

xris: not with 0.20.x though, surely...

[17:34:44]

xris:

justinh: pretty sure that's in nuvexport 0.4

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justinh:

xris: yeah? all that time I've been wasting.. pfft :)

[17:36:00]

xris:

heh

[17:36:09]

xris:

I should maintain a changelog.. heh

[17:36:19]

xris:

it's all in the default nuvexportrc file

[17:36:23]

xris:

I do keep that one up to date

[17:36:29]

fysa:

DirectTV + MythTV for HD streams ..

[17:36:37]

fysa:

without an IR blaster.. :)

[17:36:38]

xris:

yeah.. --profile=goodeats, --profile=mythbusters... very handy

[17:36:45]

xris:

fysa: not possible

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fysa:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/08/directvs-pc-tuner-is-real/

[17:36:54]

xris:

oh

[17:36:58]

justinh:

fysa: doesn't work in linux though

[17:36:59]

fysa:

has ethernet..

[17:37:01]

justinh:

yet

[17:37:13]

fysa:

there is much hope for this young padawan.

[17:37:18]

justinh:

call us back when it's working in linux

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iamlindoro__:

"This port reserved for future use."

[17:37:35]

fysa:

haha

[17:37:53]

** xris takes notes as a possible project for SD to sponsor **

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iamlindoro__:

Then there's the XstreamHD thing... which streams 1080p films via DLNA... Dump that stream and voila!

[17:43:14]

justinh:

nice & browser crashy, that XstreamHD

[17:43:17]

fysa:

anyone here using 802.11n yet?

[17:43:31]

iamlindoro__:

heh, better to look at the engadget coverage from CES

[17:43:37]

iamlindoro__:

fysa, yes

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fysa:

done any benchmarking with nfs?

[17:43:58]

iamlindoro__:

justinh, The suspect parts are a) they have no sattellites in the air yet and b) no deals with the studios yet.

[17:44:01]

fysa:

or in general?

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iamlindoro__:

fysa, nothing official, other than it handily manages 1080p streaming to two frontends at once, never any network issues with that

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justinh:

fysa: benchmarking wireless is about as much use as marking your path through the Bronx with $100 bills

[17:45:07]

jduggan:

lol @ that analogy

[17:45:08]

fysa:

MPEG2 or MPEG4?

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justinh:

'upto (some number I just made up)'

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iamlindoro__:

fysa, Both

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fysa:

justinh, exactly why I need to find 'real people' with 'real experience' :)

[17:45:55]

fysa:

I have a fairly easy case — 30 feet, almost line of sight. which devices are you using?

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iamlindoro__:

fysa, the most I've probably thrown at it is two 35ish Mbit streams

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justinh:

I've yet to play with wireless toys, but then I have enough frustration in my life :)

[17:46:47]

iamlindoro__:

New Airport extreme base station and airport cards in iMac, Macbook Pro

[17:47:06]

fysa:

does that station have problems with 802.11n and 802.11b/g simultaneously?

[17:47:11]

sulan:

On my Quad Core cpu, mythcommflag uses very little CPU (less than 2% or so, mostly idle) – I'd like to make it run faster, but how?

[17:47:24]

iamlindoro__:

I run in n-only mode

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justinh:

sulan: default CPU usage of user & commflag jobs is 'low'. you can change it in mythtv-setup

[17:48:13]

justinh:

sulan: will still only do one job per core though AFAIK

[17:48:32]

sulan:

ah, okay

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fysa:

how is the latency compared to wired? I would love to go 802.11n everywhere, with 'wireless HDMI' and that new Samsung receiver w/5GHz wireless speakers. ;)

[17:49:02]

fysa:

and bluetooth keyboard/mouse. ;)

[17:49:09]

fysa:

I am asking for trouble.

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justinh:

good luck with all that

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iamlindoro__:

fysa, You're getting into the "actually benchmarked" territory

[17:49:22]

iamlindoro__:

I can only provide my practical experience

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fysa:

thanks, appreciate it.

[17:49:44]

iamlindoro__:

np

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fysa:

now just need to hope for a Mac Mini with 802.11n that I can hide next to my projector.

[17:50:07]

justinh:

HDMI is what like 5Gbits/sec.,.. wirelessly?! roflmao.

[17:50:19]

justinh:

are they serious about that?

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justinh:

or are they compressing it on the fly? hmmmm

[17:50:51]

iamlindoro__:

justinh, The pres of the HDMI industry group basically came out recently and said "There is no such thing as wireless HDMI"

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fysa:

it's not HDMI.

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, I guess he said they asked those people to start calling it "Wireless for HDMI"

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justinh:

I can barely believe the tosh about wireless USB

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fysa:

it will be a third-party device that may accept HDMI input.

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directhex:

justinh, i'm waiting for wireless 240v ac

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justinh:

directhex: you can have it if you stand near enough to a radio mast

[17:52:13]

fysa:

fill your microwave with car batteries

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directhex:

neato!

[17:52:18]

iamlindoro__:

directhex, No thanks! I like my nuts at they are... operational.

[17:52:38]

AndyCap:

fysa: and then what? m-jpeg it in 640x480? :-P

[17:53:14]

iamlindoro__:

Mmmmm, HDMI to DV bridge ;)

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: if you've been reduced to the IQ of a cabbage I don't think whether your nuts work or not will be much of an issue ;)

[17:53:46]

iamlindoro__:

justinh, *reduced* to? I *aspire* to

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iamlindoro__:

besides, it's often the people with IQs of cabbage that put their nuts to most frequent use

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justinh:

true

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AndyCap:

directhex: wasn't tesla working on wireless power?

[17:55:08]

directhex:

AndyCap, ooh, good idea, run my pc off a coil!

[17:55:23]

justinh:

isn't all this wireless power stuff just meaningless bunk though? anything with a field strength high enough to power something isn't good for anything else around it

[17:55:47]

justinh:

inverse square law or no

[17:55:58]

AndyCap:

justinh: meh. works fine for lighting and mechanical industries. screw the people

[17:57:29]

justinh:

if folks are whining about wifi (and oh boy they aren't half).. what they're gonna do when wireless power comes along I can't imagine

[17:57:37]

AndyCap:

justinh: and if your circuits don't work, it's the computer that's not compatible with the powergrid.

[17:58:16]

justinh:

we just need some more of them perpetual motion thingies like I have in my back room

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justinh:

patent pending

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AndyCap:

hah, patents only last 20 years. I can wait that long for perpetual motion clones

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justinh:

er.. I mean.. we just need that one I've got

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reber:

what is the most (i mean the *most*) recommended/cheap/compatible *usb* dvb card for mythtv ?

[18:03:37]

sulan:

justinh: thanks!

[18:05:02]

sulan:

reber: I don't know, but I'm running a Hauppage WinTV Nova-T USB2 with good results

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jduggan:

reber: hauppauge nova-t usb probably

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AndyCap:

sulan: what driver does that use?

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sulan:

dvb_usb_nova_t_usb2?

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Seeker`:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/129977 – has anyone used this remote with mythtv?

[18:11:59]

AndyCap:

sulan: yes.

[18:12:27]

AndyCap:

sulan: hehe. that was the name of the driver. ok then. thanks

[18:13:23]

Kazan:

yay

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Kazan:

video card has arrived :D

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** directhex gets to build a new pc tomorrow \o/ **

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XLV:

directhex, specs?

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directhex:

e6850, 2x2gib, 512mib 8800gt

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Seeker`:

nice

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XLV:

yeah

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Seeker`:

what are you using that for?

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iamlindoro__:

Hoooboy, nice box

[18:18:34]

directhex:

wife's new gaming pc

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XLV:

wife games so much she needed 8800gt? she must be upgraded version ;-)

[18:19:49]

directhex:

her old pc just got an upgrade (old card kept blanking out), and she's happy with the improvement there

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directhex:

won't make much difference until we get a new monitor though

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directhex:

an 8800gt isn't gonna do much on a 17"

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DarK:

directhex: what games does she like?

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DarK:

just wondering...I used to be a progamer myself (Quake)

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directhex:

these days mostly LOTRO

[18:21:11]

directhex:

though she plays the sims 2 a lot, and the sims 2 will eat any resource it finds and keep going. especially ram

[18:21:28]

DarK:

all EA games do that :(

[18:22:15]

directhex:

indeed

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Kazan:

ewww

[18:22:27]

Kazan:

the sims

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Kazan:

barf

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iamlindoro__:

Funny, EA will eat all the programmers it finds and keep going too

[18:22:52]

directhex:

indeed, hence my effort to move her onto an MMO instead

[18:22:56]

Kazan:

lol iamlindoro

[18:22:57]

Kazan:

so true

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, until they get sick and quit

[18:23:07]

Kazan:

and by "eat" 80-hour weeks with no extra pay

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AndyCap:

directhex: so you want to pay a monthly fee as well?

[18:23:21]

Kazan:

and no stay in the games success

[18:23:27]

directhex:

AndyCap, a monthy fee not to hear the sims being played? yeah, i can deal with that

[18:23:32]

Kazan:

heh

[18:23:46]

Kazan:

i have no problem with paying a monthly fee if the game is worth it

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directhex:

ea is where innovative companies go to die

[18:23:55]

Kazan:

that fee is supporting the servers and the ongoing dev

[18:23:59]

Kazan:

EA is the borg

[18:24:05]

AndyCap:

Kazan: no, but headphones sounds like a cheaper solution

[18:24:24]

Kazan:

but.. the sims

[18:24:27]

Kazan:

should never be played

[18:24:32]

Kazan:

and saying someone from the sins should be praised

[18:24:35]

Kazan:

and is worth a monthly fee

[18:24:42]

directhex:

my cousin's company got eaten by ea. the next one got eaten by sega. these days i think he's given up

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AndyCap:

Can't say I've played sims though

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Kazan:

mkrufky-away: *poke* you around

[18:25:13]

** AndyCap is more of a simcity guy **

[18:25:23]

Kazan:

the sims is where emochildren go to play games

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directhex:

oh, and when Spore arrives, that'll need a meaty pc

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directhex:

she wants that

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AndyCap:

mm, spore

[18:26:06]

Kazan:

someone got a link to recommended device options for the nvidia binary driver?

[18:26:33]

reber:

sulan, jduggan ok thanks. And for something more versatile like hertz (analog) + dvb on the same usb device what would you choose ?

[18:26:37]

AndyCap:

Kazan: for what? think I remember something on the myth wiki.

[18:26:39]

directhex:

the more complex your xorg.conf, the more it can go wrong

[18:26:59]

Kazan:

AndyCap: just recommended performance settings, not using XvMC (but compiling support in)

[18:27:26]

AndyCap:

Kazan: think that depends on your output.

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Kazan:

Anduin: 1360x758 DVI->HDMI – HDTV output not using XvMC

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AndyCap:

eew. another stupidsized display. :) Somebody else here have linked to a thread on mailinglist about the vblank and interlace settings, but not sure who.

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Kazan:

AndyCap: stupidsized display? mine? that's the HDTV LCD's native resolution

[18:32:16]

AndyCap:

Kazan: yes, and a lot of displays use that, but what idiot came up with 1366x768 displays.

[18:32:23]

Kazan:

it's a "720p" 32" widescreen HDTV

[18:32:39]

Kazan:

yeah.. it is odd.. probably something to do with LCD technology

[18:32:41]

AndyCap:

1280x720 or 1920x1080? nooo. we go for 1366x768

[18:32:44]

Kazan:

closest resolution exceeding 720p

[18:33:33]

Kazan:

would you recommend adding Option "UseEvents" "True"

[18:33:46]

AndyCap:

Kazan: 1366 isn't even divisible by 8.

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directhex:

AndyCap, which is why, e.g. samsung, force 1360 over vga, not 1366

[18:34:41]

Kazan:

which is why i'm outputting 1360x768

[18:35:05]

AndyCap:

directhex: yeah, and some do 1368. and some work fine with 1366 and option ModeValidation NoWidthAlignmentCheck

[18:36:09]

** Kazan googled **

[18:36:17]

Kazan:

why they make it bigger has to do with overscan

[18:36:40]

Kazan:

which doesn't entirely make sense with HD digital images

[18:36:44]

AndyCap:

Kazan: uh. source?

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AndyCap:

Kazan: on the bright side you don't have a tv that says it's 1024x768. :)

[18:37:45]

Kazan:

engadgethd article

[18:38:00]

Kazan:

why 1366x768

[18:38:02]

Kazan:

in google

[18:38:53]

AndyCap:

Kazan: alternate theory http://hd1080i.blogspot.com/2006/12/1080i-on- . . . roblems.html But it sounds too stupid to be true

[18:39:50]

AndyCap:

If it is true, then they should be first against the wall when the revolution comes.

[18:42:33]

AndyCap:

Kazan: overscan is a problem, but not sure if that explains 1366x768. http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0081/t.2115.html

[18:43:49]

Kazan:

hmm

[18:45:05]

** Kazan doesn't let his monitor do the scaling :P **

[18:45:32]

Kazan:

ha

[18:45:39]

Kazan:

i find that blogspot article to be much more likely

[18:45:43]

Kazan:

and make A LOT more sense

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jams:

gah nobody uses the forum on my website but it still gets spammed.

[18:46:53]

Kazan:

though.. the scaler in my display is fairly decent

[18:46:57]

Yahooadam:

i know that feeling jams

[18:47:09]

Kazan:

the HDTV imaging chipset inside my tv is made by ATI

[18:47:59]

jams:

i was excited to have a new thread (until i actually looked at it)

[18:50:14]

Kazan:

i want this workstation: http://hd1080i.com/office.jpg

[18:50:44]

Yahooadam:

whats good about that Kazan?

[18:51:39]

XLV:

more and more are using lcd tvs as monitors

[18:52:02]

XLV:

and now that 1080p lcd is quite cheap.. a 37" for 950E ~ they have a point

[18:52:24]

XLV:

but i would spend 1400E and buy a 30" lcd monitor 2500x1600

[18:52:24]

Kazan:

Yahooadam: sexy monitor setup

[18:52:40]

Kazan:

when i was taking a break from school and writing code i had a 4 monitor system in my cube

[18:52:51]

Kazan:

3 on my dev system + my laptop + synergy

[18:52:56]

Yahooadam:

at home i have 2x 20" for my computer and a 19" monitor for 2 :p

[18:52:58]

Kazan:

but none of the monitors were that nice

[18:52:58]

Yahooadam:

is nice

[18:53:09]

Yahooadam:

s/2/tv

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Kazan:

i want to get a second 22" widescreen LCD for my desk

[18:53:22]

Kazan:

maybe i can bribe my wife by building her a second computer for her desk like she wanted :D

[18:53:27]

Yahooadam:

:p

[18:53:32]

Yahooadam:

i wanna get 2x 24" :p

[18:53:37]

Yahooadam:

but im not made of money ;)

[18:54:03]

XLV:

lg 245 or 246 .. s-ips for ~500E

[18:54:06]

Yahooadam:

anywho, gtg now, have fun :)

[18:54:11]

XLV:

i got two of those

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Yahooadam:

i have a 20" dell (their earlier model) and a 20" lg

[18:54:26]

Yahooadam:

the lg one sucks ass :p

[18:54:36]

Yahooadam:

(well compared to the dell)

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XLV:

well, cant expect a cheap tn to compare with s-ips or p or s-mva

[18:55:48]

Kazan:

my wife is always like "NO TV IN THE BEDROOM!"

[18:55:57]

Kazan:

but someday.... we're going to have a BIG arse 1080p display

[18:56:01]

XLV:

Kazan, say its a monitor

[18:56:05]

Kazan:

and there is no way i'm getting rid of this current one... it's nice

[18:56:13]

XLV:

baby, i need to check my emails ;-)

[18:56:19]

Kazan:

remote frontend plus 802.11n (final version)

[18:56:24]

Kazan:

she'd tell me to bring my laptop

[18:56:50]

Kazan:

though.. i could always play vanguard on a 32" display.. but my little 22" LCD monitor drives 1680x1050 :P

[18:57:57]

Kazan:

question

[18:57:59]

Kazan:

playback settings

[18:58:10]

Kazan:

do those apply to using the internal player for mythvideo

[18:58:32]

Kazan:

or wait.. back up

[18:58:43]

Kazan:

do the hauppauge cards deinterlace their video before mpeg2 compression

[18:59:18]

Kazan:

and if not.. will bob 2x deinterlacing cause problems on non-interlaced input?

[19:01:24]

Kazan:

ew i just read how bob works

[19:01:26]

Kazan:

ewwww

[19:01:31]

Kazan:

not going that route

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Kazan:

hmm

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mkrufky:

Kazan: i just got back from lunch, whats up?

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Kazan:

mkrufky: when again did you say the hvr-1800 will be completely supported?

[19:23:47]

Kazan:

2.6.24?

[19:24:55]

mkrufky:

as of 2.6.24, hvr1800 has digital tv support, both vsb and qam

[19:25:03]

Kazan:

what about the analog side

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mkrufky:

depending on a test i do tonight, we may or may not merge preview analog into 2.6.25

[19:25:26]

mkrufky:

and encoder will be merged for 2.6.26

[19:25:26]

Kazan:

i thought 2.6.23 already had hvr1800's digital side – both vsb and qam

[19:25:38]

mkrufky:

nope, 2.6.24

[19:25:40]

Kazan:

any way to get that support working on 2.6.23?

[19:25:49]

mkrufky:

yes, install the driver from linuxtv.org

[19:26:01]

mkrufky:

i use it in 2.6.22 on my machine

[19:26:10]

Kazan:

full support?

[19:26:29]

mkrufky:

DIGITAL SUPPORT

[19:26:29]

mkrufky:

we did not merge analog into the master branch

[19:26:40]

mkrufky:

you can try the analog tree, but i dont want to hear about the bugs

[19:26:48]

Kazan:

kk

[19:27:01]

mkrufky:

because we chose not to merge it yet, because we dont feel that it is ready

[19:27:01]

Kazan:

i understand :P

[19:27:08]

Kazan:

i'm just basically holding off on getting the card until i can get full support

[19:27:19]

Kazan:

without going expirimental

[19:27:26]

mkrufky:

kinda silly, IMO

[19:27:28]

mkrufky:

but ok

[19:27:30]

mkrufky:

thats your choice

[19:27:32]

mkrufky:

meanwhile... i am going to test steve's tree tonight

[19:27:34]

Kazan:

WAF :P

[19:27:38]

Kazan:

steve's tree?

[19:27:47]

mkrufky:

and if it works on my machine, then i'll give him the OK to merge it

[19:27:53]

mkrufky:

steve wrote the cx23885 driver

[19:27:58]

mkrufky:

i wrote the tda18271 tuner driver

[19:28:03]

mkrufky:

(not that it matters to users)

[19:28:20]

mkrufky:

what is WAF ?

[19:29:19]

Kazan:

Wife Acceptance Factor

[19:29:52]

mkrufky:

you have a wife that is enforcing usage of obsolete television?

[19:30:10]

Kazan:

haha 5% cpu utilization on ONE CORE to do SD w/ kernel deint :D

[19:30:20]

Kazan:

mkrufky: no... i currently have two analog tuners and one digital

[19:31:07]

Kazan:

i just lost an analog tuner due to the dumbest reason (something on the motherboard physically preventing insertion of a tuner card in that slot)

[19:31:18]

mkrufky:

oh yes, i remember

[19:31:23]

Kazan:

plus.. unstable drivers could lead to unstable system

[19:31:26]

Kazan:

which leads to low WAF

[19:31:42]

mkrufky:

again... the reason why we didnt merge analog is because i dont feel its stable yet

[19:31:49]

mkrufky:

and tonight i will test the new build

[19:31:55]

mkrufky:

the encoder is DEFINATELY not stable

[19:32:01]

mkrufky:

but steve claims the preview analog is

[19:32:12]

mkrufky:

but the digital support _is_ stable

[19:32:18]

mkrufky:

rock-solid

[19:32:19]

Kazan:

woot

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Kazan:

Cpu(s): 16.1%us, 0.3%sy, 0.0%ni, 81.9%id, 1.2%wa, 0.3%hi, 0.2%si, 0.0%st

[19:32:21]

Kazan:

watching 1080i

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Kazan:

athlon 64 x2 4200+ :D

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Kazan:

i need a second HD tuner though.. because i'm starting to get enough interesting programs in HD that i actually had a conflict

[19:36:09]

directhex:

http://gizmodo.com/343348/confessions-the-mea . . . o-did-at-ces

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Kazan:

ok... sometimes when skipping in HD i get freezed up with 2008-01–10 13:38:04.536 [ac3 @ 0x2aaaac1c41c0]frame sync error

[19:38:51]

Kazan:

2008-01–10 13:38:04.536 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!

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iamlindoro__:

directhex: That... is... the most awesome thing I have ever seen

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Kazan:

haha they were bad

[19:47:52]

iamlindoro__:

sn9, Got my SCH-3200... now I get to go home and work up to a raging froth when I find that comcrap a) has disabled firewire or b) gives me nothing via firewire

[19:49:26]

Kazan:

grr

[19:49:40]

Kazan:

ok.. this recording i am having problems with was recorded on my old hardware

[19:49:54]

Kazan:

can insufficiently fast hardware cause problems in recordings coming off ATSC/QAM tuners?

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justinh:

hahaha. gotta be worth making a tv-bgone device just for kicks. then go down to tottenham ct rd

[19:50:15]

Kazan:

ie specifically it causes playback to lockup/crash

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, more than a little mean though

[19:54:13]

iamlindoro__:

directhex, oh no doubt... But I would hope *most* people affected aren't such rage-o-holics that they can't laugh at it

[19:54:39]

iamlindoro__:

Now, it crosses the line if Joe CEO went home and fired some poor engineer, but... :)

[19:54:42]

Kazan:

anyone?

[19:56:46]

iamlindoro__:

Kazan, *recordings* shouldn't be affected unless your hardware is *truly* inadequate, but if you're talking playback, I suppose anything could happen if it got adequately behind (although it shouldn't, I'm fairly sure myth is supposed to gracefully fail out of playback in that case)

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: I say, serves the feckers right not not blocking the IR receivers off. hell even at my little ole show efforts I did that with a TV

[19:58:31]

iamlindoro__:

justinh, takes a bit of a crook to defeat one ;)

[19:58:58]

Kazan:

iamlindoro: ok.. what happens is during seeking (sometimes when not) recordings of a particular show (house m.d. – 720p ac3 audio) seize up the playback

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Kazan:

when this happens frontend log is spewing audio buffer overflow errors faster than you can clap

[19:59:36]

iamlindoro__:

Kazan, If it's the problem I'm thinking of, I solved it on my folk's system by changing the mpeg library from standard to libmpeg2

[19:59:49]

justinh:

hmmm we just took delivery of the brightest IR LED available in the industry this week. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[19:59:59]

iamlindoro__:

(at least, I *think* that's the one I changed it to, may need to experiment)

[20:00:30]

Kazan:

iamlindoro: was using libmpeg2 + XvMC before

[20:00:31]

justinh:

wonder if Sony Centre's shop glass absorbs IR

[20:00:38]

Kazan:

on my athlon 2500+

[20:00:44]

iamlindoro__:

Kazan, YMMV, but at least worth a try swapping them around

[20:00:48]

Kazan:

lemme see if switching from standard to libmpeg2 on my athlon 64 fixes it

[20:01:47]

iamlindoro__:

justinh, Make sure to leave a note re: thanks for the rootkit, bitches

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fugitivo:

hello

[20:01:54]

justinh:

"holy lolcopter that was funny". WTF is wrong with the world? lolcopter?

[20:02:22]

Kazan:

nope

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[20:02:38]

Kazan:

still happened

[20:02:42]

iamlindoro__:

ah well

[20:02:56]

iamlindoro__:

Kazan, what's the clock speed on your A64?

[20:03:01]

fugitivo:

How does mythtv backend get the date? I have the wrong date/time in mythtv but my system & mysql date is OK

[20:03:03]

Kazan:

it's a athlon 64 x2 4200+

[20:03:14]

iamlindoro__:

Kazan, That is moorrrrre than adequate

[20:03:15]

Kazan:

cpu MHz : 2210.765

[20:03:20]

Kazan:

yeah

[20:03:21]

iamlindoro__:

as you might have guessed

[20:03:40]

Kazan:

i only do about 20% cpu utilization shown in top at max during HD playback

[20:03:49]

Kazan:

but.. if not using XvMC isn't going to solve this problem.. i may as well enable it

[20:03:58]

iamlindoro__:

Kazan, Might be worth rebuilding the seektable on that recording

[20:04:07]

Kazan:

hmm

[20:04:10]

iamlindoro__:

Tried that yet?

[20:04:10]

Kazan:

really?

[20:04:12]

Kazan:

nope

[20:04:14]

Kazan:

lemme do that

[20:04:22]

fugitivo:

any idea?

[20:04:31]

iamlindoro__:

mythcommflag --rebuild filename

[20:04:42]

Kazan:

can't do it from the recordings menu?

[20:04:56]

Kazan:

fugitivo: as far as i know system date

[20:04:56]

iamlindoro__:

fugitivo, do date, then do hwclock and see if they match

[20:05:22]

iamlindoro__:

also possible you set an "offset" in mythtv-setup

[20:06:00]

Kazan:

2008-01–10 14:05:45.999 Illegal option: 'House – 2008-01–04, 8–00 PM – Hunting.mpg' (use --help)

[20:06:09]

Kazan:

(i've used mythrename.pl obviously)

[20:06:37]

iamlindoro__:

ahhh, dunno how it will handle it that way, may need to do it by starttime and chanid

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fugitivo:

iamlindoro , Kazan: system and hardware date are ok, also doing "select now()" in mysql is OK

[20:06:57]

Kazan:

try restarting backend?

[20:06:58]

iamlindoro__:

fugitivo, Then you probably set an offset time in mythtv-setup

[20:07:08]

Kazan:

ooh iamlindoro wins :D

[20:07:21]

iamlindoro__:

not necessarily, just throwing spaghetti against the wall

[20:07:40]

fugitivo:

I don't seem to have a way to setup the date in mythtv-setup

[20:07:43]

fugitivo:

is that possible?

[20:07:52]

iamlindoro__:

fugitivo, you don't set the date, you set the offset for listings

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iamlindoro__:

but most people should never touch them

[20:08:09]

Kazan:

hmm

[20:08:16]

Kazan:

iamlindoro: would seeing "seek to exact frame" possibly fix this issue?

[20:08:20]

Kazan:

because it also spews a frame seek error

[20:08:38]

iamlindoro__:

Kazan, ya know, I'm not sure, but it seems more likely that it's the seektable

[20:08:45]

iamlindoro__:

never hurts to try it out, though

[20:09:14]

fugitivo:

iamlindoro__: I have it in Auto

[20:09:16]

Kazan:

well your command to rebuild didn't work :P

[20:09:22]

Kazan:

got another syntax for making it rebuild?

[20:09:40]

iamlindoro__:

Kazan, look at the help... you reimported it, yes? Or are you playing from mythvideo?

[20:09:45]

Kazan:

neither

[20:09:52]

iamlindoro__:

so how?

[20:09:56]

Kazan:

i preserved the database

[20:10:05]

Kazan:

and moved it from the old system to the new

[20:10:12]

iamlindoro__:

OK, so does it live in Mythvideo, or recordings?

[20:10:18]

Kazan:

recordings

[20:10:37]

iamlindoro__:

ok, so figure out what starttime and chanid it's on, and use those parameters

[20:10:43]

Kazan:

ok

[20:10:45]

Kazan:

that is easy enough

[20:10:53]

iamlindoro__:

which *should be something like

[20:10:55]

Kazan:

can just get it out of the database

[20:11:12]

iamlindoro__:

mythcommflag --rebuild --chanid %CHANID% --starttime %STARTTIME%

[20:11:14]

iamlindoro__:

ish

[20:11:15]

iamlindoro__:

;)

[20:11:53]

Kazan:

ooh.. what format is starttime specified in?

[20:12:01]

Kazan:

YYYYMMDDHHMM?

[20:12:10]

Kazan:

(first MM = month, second = minute)

[20:12:12]

iamlindoro__:

YYYYMMDDHHMMSS

[20:12:36]

Kazan:

kk

[20:13:13]

Kazan:

No program data exists for channel 5950 at 20080104210000

[20:13:14]

Kazan:

bollocks

[20:13:18]

Kazan:

i'm looking at it right in the database

[20:13:29]

** iamlindoro__ shrugs **

[20:13:33]

iamlindoro__:

Dunno

[20:13:39]

Kazan:

oh wait

[20:13:43]

Kazan:

no.. that's right

[20:14:00]

Kazan:

oh no :P

[20:14:01]

Kazan:

lol

[20:14:12]

Kazan:

it put in the end time

[20:14:14]

Kazan:

not start

[20:14:45]

Kazan:

can i put "mythcommflag --rebuild --chanid %CHANID% --starttime %STARTTIME%" in as a user job

[20:14:56]

Kazan:

and then be able to use it from within the job options?

[20:14:56]

iamlindoro__:

theoretically... why though?

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iamlindoro__:

well, not theoretically, yes

[20:15:07]

iamlindoro__:

but why?

[20:15:13]

Kazan:

if this works i may have to use it on other recordings

[20:15:25]

iamlindoro__:

k

[20:15:48]

Kazan:

if this fixes it, and the problem persists on recordings recorded on the new hardware i'll even make it always run

[20:16:06]

iamlindoro__:

Well, it shouldn't... especially since myth is writing the seektable while it records

[20:16:18]

Kazan:

aaah

[20:16:26]

Kazan:

well.. it's rebuilt

[20:16:34]

Kazan:

let's see how it goes now

[20:16:36]

iamlindoro__:

cross fingers

[20:16:48]

Kazan:

lol

[20:16:52]

Kazan:

the time display is all wrong

[20:17:08]

iamlindoro__:

If it's HD content, time display is often wrong

[20:17:09]

Kazan:

ok.. that was... weird and bad

[20:17:12]

Kazan:

yeah

[20:17:19]

Kazan:

now to figure out which seek thing messed it up

[20:17:21]

Kazan:

exact frame

[20:17:23]

Kazan:

or the rebuild

[20:18:23]

Kazan:

it is consistently reading 4 hours now

[20:18:46]

Kazan:

rebuilding the seek table mae things a lot worse

[20:18:54]

iamlindoro__:

hooray!

[20:19:00]

Kazan:

hooray? :P

[20:19:10]

Kazan:

does that tell us something useful?

[20:19:16]

iamlindoro__:

sheesh, nobody recognizes sarcasm...

[20:19:37]

Kazan:

hard to tell in text

[20:19:45]

** iamlindoro__ despises the stuck-out-tongue smiley, too **

[20:19:48]

Kazan:

and.. it could have been a "sarcastic hooray but it does tell us something"

[20:20:06]

iamlindoro__:

I mean, do we go around sticking tongues out at each other? No. No we do not.

[20:20:18]

iamlindoro__:

Anyway

[20:20:31]

iamlindoro__:

Now in terms of "made it a lot worse," do you want to elaborate?

[20:20:32]

Kazan:

ok... the comercial detection on house is pretty much always reliable

[20:20:40]

Kazan:

seeking doesn't work right at all now

[20:20:44]

Kazan:

audio and video get desynced

[20:20:49]

Kazan:

and after a few skips video doesn't resume

[20:21:03]

Kazan:

and i have to kill frontend via mythpowerbutton.sh or straight from a ssh terminal

[20:21:04]

fugitivo:

anyone using miniitx with minimyth?

[20:21:14]

fugitivo:

using network boot

[20:22:08]

fugitivo:

hell, mythtv works so great that the only question I have is regarding the date :)

[20:22:31]

iamlindoro__:

hrm... not sure where to go from there, Kazan... it *does* appear that something is wrong either with the video or myth's ability to make a proper seektable for it

[20:22:41]

iamlindoro__:

Kazan, You went back to Standard mpeg library, right?

[20:22:46]

Kazan:

lemme double check

[20:22:59]

Kazan:

yes

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iamlindoro__:

k, well that's good... I mean, you could *try* swapping it now that we rebuilt the seek table but I'm not holding my breath

[20:23:49]

Kazan:

i'm going to try something else

[20:23:57]

Kazan:

i just had commflag build a cutlist

[20:24:46]

Kazan:

commflagging runs before transcoding right?

[20:24:59]

iamlindoro__:

OK... failing that *do* try the other library... it still sounds like the problem I had with my folks

[20:25:10]

Kazan:

anyway to make commflagging always generate a cutlist automatically for a certain program

[20:25:10]

iamlindoro__:

Kazan, It's all customizable, but generally, yes

[20:25:21]

iamlindoro__:

Kazan, You have to script it via user job

[20:25:54]

Kazan:

ew :/

[20:26:08]

iamlindoro__:

Kazan, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Commercials

[20:26:09]

Kazan:

can you make user jobs run before transcode?

[20:26:32]

iamlindoro__:

there is a section there re: automatically removing them that has a script that creates a cutlist out of a commflag

[20:26:59]

iamlindoro__:

Kazan, You can run jobs in any order you like, I have transcode turned off, I do it myself in scripts

[20:27:23]

Kazan:

i have transcoding turned off by default period

[20:27:30]

Kazan:

all my encoders generate MPEG2

[20:27:37]

iamlindoro__:

The script linked on that wiki page commflags, loads the commflag as a cutlist, and losslessly transcodes out the commercials

[20:27:41]

Kazan:

and i have a 1/2 TB storage

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iamlindoro__:

1/2 TB, hahaha, what a fancy way of saying 500 GB ;)

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Kazan:

:P

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iamlindoro__:

gah, there it is again

[20:28:34]

iamlindoro__:

Very masculine

[20:28:36]

Kazan:

500GB drives are only $100 on newegg like i said earlier... could buy two more :P

[20:28:40]

Kazan:

:P :P :P~ :D

[20:28:46]

iamlindoro__:

Then you'd be halfway to my storage ;)

[20:28:50]

Kazan:

nothing masculine or feminine about that smily

[20:28:55]

Kazan:

yeah.. but i don't store as much porn as you

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iamlindoro__:

Damn right you don't

[20:31:44]

Kazan:

i get laid :P

[20:31:54]

Kazan:

or more aptly.. my wife doens't enjoy porn

[20:31:58]

XLV:

anyone running ubuntu 7.10 and nvidia card in here? i believe they have screwed up latest updates

[20:32:07]

iamlindoro__:

What do you want, a medal? My girlfriend loves porn.

[20:32:18]

XLV:

-15 and -16 got problems with nvidia restricted drivers

[20:32:44]

Kazan:

iamlindoro: you're lucky.. my wife used to not mind it.. even watched (And liked) debbie does dallas

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Kazan:

then suddenly she got uptight

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iamlindoro__:

XLV, I run gutsy, but I went off their restricted driver manager and just install them myself now

[20:33:06]

iamlindoro__:

Kazan, bummer

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XLV:

iamlindoro, yeah, i will try it , didnt think of that

[20:33:41]

XLV:

probably nvidia drivers think its an all new kernel version

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XLV:

so modules dont get loaded

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iamlindoro__:

XLV, just to brain dump, the few times I have had issues with nvidia drivers...

[20:34:29]

iamlindoro__:

apt-get install --reinstall gdm ubuntu-desktop fixed it

[20:35:43]

iamlindoro__:

No loss of settings or anything or anything, as those are in the user's home directory

[20:36:12]

iamlindoro__:

and if it asks you if you want to replace a changed config file during the apt-get, you can say no

[20:36:38]

XLV:

thing is its not that only.. it drops to text mode initial screens and kinit whines theres no rescue image, i dont remember exactly, then tries to load xserver and it ends up with vesa driver and 800x600

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iamlindoro__:

XLV, sounds familiar. ;)

[20:37:06]

iamlindoro__:

XLV do as above and see what happens

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XLV:

i am trying it atm

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iamlindoro__:

and nvidia-xconfig failing that might be worth a shot

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Kazan:

now the question is

[20:42:15]

Kazan:

do userjobs run before transcode

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Kazan:

or vice versa

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iamlindoro__:

Kazan, You turn transcode OFF and transcode with the user job

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Kazan:

i don't like that removecomercials script they made

[20:44:41]

iamlindoro__:

So write your own

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: you might get to test the dch-3200 before me, as the myth setup i'm gonna test with is still not working right yet

[20:44:59]

Kazan:

i would like to do it with userjobs

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iamlindoro__:

Kazan, that script *is* a userjob

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sn9:

in any case, SJ comcast != SF comcast

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iamlindoro__:

sn9, indeed not

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Kazan:

iamlindoro: i meant without having to make a script

[20:46:03]

Kazan:

ie user job 1 = gencutlist from commflag

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iamlindoro__:

Kazan, You will get jack and squat done with a user job if it's not a script

[20:46:08]

Kazan:

then run transcode

[20:46:15]

Kazan:

or userjob2 = lossless transcode

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Kazan:

um.. i don't need a script in the userjob to generate cutlist from commflag

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iamlindoro__:

Kazan, you can make it do one thing, but it's a waste of a user job slot

[20:47:55]

Kazan:

i never used userjobs before

[20:47:59]

Kazan:

so i have four open spots

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Kazan:

not likely to need them for anything else

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iamlindoro__:

The user job I linked retains the old recording until you erase it... You are needlessly breaking it into two slots

[20:48:59]

iamlindoro__:

ie, if you find that the result is broken or wrong, you simply copy the .old file over the .mpg and you're back where you started

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Kazan:

eh.. it has the instructions ot make it do what i want

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iamlindoro__:

sn9, encouraging... a post on That stupid MCE site the green button... guy with a DCH-6200 able to record and chan change via firewire... no idea how much of a lineup, but it's hopefully better then nothing

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: inSJ?

[20:53:11]

iamlindoro__:

yup

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Kazan:

iamlindoro: fine,, did it your way :P

[20:53:36]

iamlindoro__:

Kazan, haha, it's your box brother, it's got to make *you* happy... Just explaining why I do it the way I do

[20:54:29]

Kazan:

i had to make some changes

[20:54:32]

Kazan:

i use realtime comflagging

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mkrufky:

you're automatically converting your commflag to cutlists and auto-transcoding in one step?

[20:55:17]

mkrufky:

that scares me, a bit

[20:55:18]

Kazan:

removed that script's commflag pass, changed to mv that make the .old to a rm, and added the "remove comercial flag table"

[20:55:21]

XLV:

now that was a noob mistake .. it wasnt 2.6.22–16 but 2.6.20–16 yeh gods

[20:55:30]

XLV:

and i wondered why it didnt work

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Kazan:

mkrufky: it's been reliably comercial flagging this program for a long time

[20:55:35]

mkrufky:

i find the commflag feature to be a helpful guideine, but its rarely 100% accurate

[20:55:40]

Kazan:

never seen it make an error in this program

[20:55:40]

mkrufky:

i'd say about 80% accurate for me

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, the nice part about the script is it leaves the old one, so if it effs up, you can go back

[20:55:48]

Kazan:

this job is by default off

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Kazan:

iamlindoro: not on my system – i removed the backup

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro__: in mythtv-setup, there is an option to leave the originals on the hard drive

[20:56:21]

iamlindoro__:

Kazan, I can't speak to what *you* do to it :)

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro__: it's probebly just setting THAT option for you

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Kazan:

mkrufky: nope

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, This one copies to .old, It's the one from the wiki

[20:56:57]

Kazan:

here is the script

[20:56:57]

Kazan:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Script_-_RemoveCommercials

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, It does a commflag, gens a cutlist from it, then lossless transcodes

[20:57:09]

Kazan:

mv $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME.old

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mkrufky:

i never took any script ... my system copies to .old because i set the oprion

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mkrufky:

option, that is

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, that's just with the transcode step, though

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mkrufky:

i guess the only problem is the reliability of the flagging... its not perfect enough for me to let it to that much on auto-pilot

[20:58:11]

mkrufky:

regardless of whether it saves a backup

[20:58:23]

mkrufky:

i would have to restore the backup 20% of the time

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mkrufky:

and 20% is too much

[20:58:37]

mkrufky:

sorry... im not knocking the method

[20:58:40]

mkrufky:

in fact, i am jealous

[20:58:49]

mkrufky:

i _wish_ flagging was that reliable here :-/

[20:59:19]

iamlindoro__:

I don't mind the commflagging too much, I would say I get closer to 90% accuracy... but I still load up the commflags into cutlists myself because I find they generally need a frame or two of adjustment to have a "clean" recording without any superfluous frames

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mkrufky:

on ABC, it is ~ 99% reliable

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mkrufky:

on FOX, id say about 75% reliable

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mkrufky:

on NBC, 40% reliable

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Kazan:

weee

[20:59:41]

mkrufky:

sh*tty statistics

[20:59:43]

Kazan:

uess what iamlindoro

[20:59:47]

Kazan:

it still fscked

[20:59:53]

Kazan:

the bad frame wasn't inside the commflag boundies

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iamlindoro__:

alas

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Kazan:

*shakes fist*

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sebrock:

ddf

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mkrufky:

would be nice if there was some sort of feature that would allow the commflagger to learn based on my edits, whether or not it was doing the right thing.... perhaps choose its commflag schema based on the learning

[21:01:14]

mkrufky:

anyway.... in the time it would take to write such a learning commflagger, we could have already skipped those commercials by hand ;-)

[21:01:22]

Kazan:

lol

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iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, ah, but think of how writing a commflagger like that would get you laid

[21:01:53]

iamlindoro__:

erm..

[21:01:54]

iamlindoro__:

wait.

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mkrufky:

i cant remember the last time i watched a commercial anyway..... nothing is on tv anymore :-(

[21:01:59]

iamlindoro__:

Maybe you shouldn't think of it that way

[21:02:05]

mkrufky:

ha!

[21:02:28]

mkrufky:

i think if i spent less time worrying about commflags, i might even get laid MORE often, ya think?

[21:02:35]

** mkrufky isnt having ay trouble in THAT department **

[21:02:37]

Kazan:

--buildindex or -b: Build a new keyframe index

[21:02:38]

Kazan:

(use only if audio and video fifos are read independantly)

[21:02:39]

Kazan:

??

[21:02:58]

iamlindoro__:

Well, can't get any worse... might make a backup first :)

[21:03:05]

mkrufky:

anyway, there is a new Grey's Anatomy tonight... i guess their writers are immune

[21:03:15]

iamlindoro__:

Or had scripts in the can

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mkrufky:

or that

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mkrufky:

i think LOST has been destroyed, tho

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mkrufky:

its so sad

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: there was never really a chance they blocked the firewire outright; it's the silicon valley, after all. the only question is what they 5C and what they don't, and if foster city was any indication, things'll work out just fine

[21:04:15]

iamlindoro__:

Gah, thought we had 12 in the can with lost??

[21:04:19]

mkrufky:

if LOST doesnt give us the full story as it was originally intended, i will fully lose my faith in the "continuing story" format of television

[21:04:28]

mkrufky:

iamlindoro__: nope, only 8

[21:04:36]

mkrufky:

the other 8 were written, yes.... but not filmed

[21:04:37]

mkrufky:

brb

[21:04:39]

iamlindoro__:

sn9, Hope so :) Would settle just for the 700 range

[21:04:45]

sn9:

mkrufky: you HAD faith in that?

[21:05:09]

mkrufky:

i love the "continuing stories"

[21:05:18]

iamlindoro__:

I love serialized drama too

[21:05:27]

iamlindoro__:

ergo Battlestar Galactica, etc.

[21:05:29]

mkrufky:

and if lost goes down the tubes, then i'll feel like i wasted my life away watching it

[21:05:38]

mkrufky:

LOST is the best thing ive ever seen on television

[21:05:45]

mkrufky:

before LOST, id say it was CARNIVALE

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iamlindoro__:

Carnivale was also superb

[21:06:01]

mkrufky:

Carnivale got FARKED, and it isnt even public television

[21:06:08]

iamlindoro__:

we have similar taste in shows

[21:06:12]

mkrufky:

people passed around a petition

[21:06:14]

mkrufky:

yes, seems we do

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: the only thing in the 700 range i had trouble tuning in foster city was kpix, but unlike the other problem channels, i was unable to confirm the problem as 5C

[21:06:15]

iamlindoro__:

I loved it, wanted to see how it worked out sooo bad

[21:06:18]

mkrufky:

HEROES?

[21:06:28]

iamlindoro__:

Good, but not great, honestly

[21:06:33]

mkrufky:

actually... with CARNIVALE, i was happy with the way they ended it

[21:06:44]

mkrufky:

there was closure, yet, room for the story to continue

[21:06:47]

iamlindoro__:

I watch, but they need a) fight choreographers and b) better dialogue writers

[21:06:53]

mkrufky:

HEROES, id say that the writing sucks, but i still love it

[21:07:01]

Kazan:

rm -rf heroes

[21:07:04]

mkrufky:

they need better planning

[21:07:06]

Kazan:

tried watching it

[21:07:08]

Kazan:

wanted to barf

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Kazan:

it's like.. emochildren meat x-men

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mkrufky:

the thing is... with heroes, it isnt fair to judge

[21:07:29]

iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, I also recently watched Pushing Daisies, which I loved to death

[21:07:32]

mkrufky:

season 1 was written off the cuff, so i understand

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sn9:

mkrufky: the "continung stories" are the only thing left worth mything, but studios are not keen on them

[21:07:42]

mkrufky:

season 2, they had a plan, but had to wrap up way earlyu

[21:07:48]

mkrufky:

pushing daisies, i live

[21:07:51]

mkrufky:

liKe

[21:08:06]

mkrufky:

studios probably dont want the risk

[21:08:07]

iamlindoro__:

Rome was great, recently watched Dead Like Me, that's great

[21:08:08]

AndyCap:

emochildren meat? how much is that by the pound?

[21:08:13]

mkrufky:

ah, yes those both!

[21:08:14]

sn9:

mkrufky: nor the expense

[21:08:32]

mkrufky:

they can eat the friggin' expense

[21:08:51]

sn9:

doesn't mean they want it

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Kazan:

meet

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Kazan:

or whatever

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Kazan:

i' brainfired

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mkrufky:

i swear — if lost gets cancelled early, as per the rumors, i will quit my television obsession

[21:09:23]

Kazan:

HBO's Rome?

[21:09:26]

Kazan:

was awesome

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iamlindoro__:

sn9, I'm crossing my fingers... Would die for my discovery HD.. have mostly tapered off watching it since I can't currently get it into myth

[21:09:32]

mkrufky:

^^ /me agrees

[21:09:36]

iamlindoro__:

Absolutely

[21:09:48]

iamlindoro__:

too expensive for them, I guess, but would have loved another season

[21:10:00]

Kazan:

my stored copy of Rome season 2 – son of hades is corrupt though :(

[21:10:04]

sn9:

iamlindoro__: discov hd is on clearqam in sf

[21:10:16]

iamlindoro__:

sn9, Not here, which is why I am reining in my hopes

[21:10:42]

mkrufky:

ive been watching SUPERNATURAL lately ..... i think its way lame

[21:10:45]

mkrufky:

but highly entertaining

[21:10:46]

mkrufky:

lol

[21:10:56]

mkrufky:

SMALLVILLE, too ....

[21:11:02]

mkrufky:

too much of that WB11 family values crap

[21:11:09]

iamlindoro__:

Could never get into any of the WB stuff

[21:11:17]

iamlindoro__:

I have been meaning to try Veronica Mars, though

[21:11:18]

mkrufky:

but my brain needs that sci-fi fantasy stuff

[21:11:23]

iamlindoro__:

which I think is UPN

[21:11:28]

Kazan:

iamlindoro: after doing the --buildindex the time reading in the playback is right

[21:11:33]

mkrufky:

and i think that terminator series starts soon

[21:11:35]

iamlindoro__:

Kazan, Good start :)

[21:11:36]

Kazan:

let's see if it survives the bad frame point

[21:11:43]

iamlindoro__:

watched the pilot, looked good

[21:11:49]

iamlindoro__:

Plus it has River Tam

[21:11:49]

mkrufky:

when was it on?!?

[21:11:56]

iamlindoro__:

Erm... It wasn't. ;)

[21:11:57]

Kazan:

how did you get to see the pilot?

[21:12:00]

Kazan:

haha

[21:12:01]

mkrufky:

aaah

[21:12:04]

Kazan:

HD or SD?

[21:12:04]

iamlindoro__:

I mean

[21:12:05]

iamlindoro__:

I

[21:12:07]

iamlindoro__:

uh

[21:12:09]

Kazan:

i get it in HD :P

[21:12:11]

mkrufky:

ok, no prob

[21:12:12]

iamlindoro__:

read a review of the pilot

[21:12:18]

mkrufky:

i think it airs next week

[21:12:25]

mkrufky:

i have to fix my raid array before then!

[21:12:26]

Kazan:

DAMMIT

[21:12:28]

Kazan:

still died!

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sn9:

mkrufky: multi-season serialization is too difficult to do right for american tv to handle, but hey, dr.who ran contnuously for 26 yrs by diving the serialization into installments

[21:13:50]

sn9:

*dividing

[21:14:05]

iamlindoro__:

Dr. Who is still Brilliant... and torchwood comes back this month :)

[21:14:26]

iamlindoro__:

Which is like Dr. Who with swearing and chicks making out with each other

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sn9:

however, the dr.who serialization nearly took a powder with "trial of a timelord" by stretching a single story over an entire season, setting the stage for 24 a couple of decades later

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mkrufky:

so, iamlindoro__ .... this umm.... review.... yeah... would you say that i'll like it, given that we've got similar taste in television?

[21:16:44]

iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, I try to be patient with shows just getting started... it certainly doesn't have the sophistication of a Carnivale, but it's great action and a great premise, I'll give it that

[21:17:16]

mkrufky:

ok... sounds like its worth scheduling ;-)

[21:17:19]

iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, It *was* pretty true to the tone of the movies

[21:17:21]

mkrufky:

(for record, that is)

[21:17:23]

mkrufky:

ah, cool

[21:17:39]

iamlindoro__:

A lot of shows take a bit to hit their stride, I think, even great shows

[21:17:44]

sn9:

iamlindoro__: patient with shows getting started? if only the networks were, especially fox...

[21:17:50]

iamlindoro__:

Hehe, true that

[21:18:08]

mkrufky:

well, i'll admit that CARNIVALE is hard for most people to get into, until after they've already seen the first four episodes

[21:18:10]

iamlindoro__:

Poor firefly

[21:18:21]

sn9:

fox has cancelled more great shows than the others have aired combined during fox's existence

[21:18:42]

sn9:

before they got off the ground

[21:18:57]

sn9:

remember VR.5? of course not

[21:19:04]

GreyFoxx:

hell yeah

[21:19:19]

iamlindoro__:

Hehe, even if a show is running on fox, odds are you can't *find* it

[21:19:22]

iamlindoro__:

Dark angel

[21:19:24]

GreyFoxx:

kinda lame though.... seriously...a VR based on a phone call ?:)

[21:19:58]

GreyFoxx:

I was upset they dropped John Doe for that "cops in blingy cars" crap

[21:20:10]

sn9:

iamlindoro__: what ever possessed the studio not to approach UPN with dark angel after fox shitcanned it, i'll never know

[21:20:28]

iamlindoro__:

John Doe was shaping up to be good... actually, if you can get past the family bent, Kyle XY is pretty good

[21:20:34]

iamlindoro__:

which is very similar

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mkrufky:

yeah i watched some kyleXY in repeats — seemed like a cool show

[21:21:24]

sn9:

GreyFoxx: the VR.5 premise was a bit hokey, but the show more than made up for it

[21:21:27]

mkrufky:

then one day i noticed it wasnt recording anymore

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iamlindoro__:

the ones that have really hurt me bad in the last few years were Carnivale, Farscape, and Firelfy

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: farscape was not fox

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iamlindoro__:

I *think* Kyle XY might be back in the spring, as is Greek, which is pretty sweet and funny

[21:22:05]

iamlindoro__:

sn9, I am aware of that

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iamlindoro__:

nor was carnivale

[21:22:17]

iamlindoro__:

But I never said fox

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iamlindoro__:

I was talking about shows canceled before their time that hurt bad

[21:22:49]

sn9:

farscape was fun while it lasted, but it's time did pass, IMO

[21:22:57]

sn9:

*its

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iamlindoro__:

It needed one more season

[21:23:26]

iamlindoro__:

It peaked at Season 3 but needed real closure, not like the made-for-tv movie

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: yes, stretching the finale miniseries over a whole season would have been much better

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mkrufky:

dont the networks realize that in lack of television programming, the viewers are finding better things to do with their lives?

[21:24:20]

sn9:

mkrufky: no

[21:24:24]

mkrufky:

if they dont resolve this soon, they will be nobody left to even WATCH tv

[21:24:31]

iamlindoro__:

Hehe, I really do think the writers have the upper hand, and certainly the moral high ground

[21:24:35]

mkrufky:

yes

[21:24:36]

Kazan:

you know what is sad

[21:24:49]

AndyCap:

Well, we can thank VR.5 for 1 thing. "Nomex makes me hard"

[21:24:51]

Kazan:

it takes less cpu to decode DivX/Xvid 720p HD than it takes to decode MPEG2 720p HD

[21:25:08]

Kazan:

ooh.. i should see if i can run h264

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iamlindoro__:

Kazan, Your box should handle 720p x.264 without too much complaint

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sn9:

mkrufky: ever take a look at what ppl watch in other countries by flipping through ethnic channels? looks like variety shows still rule; baywatch was a fluke

[21:25:57]

iamlindoro__:

1080p will likely require low enough bitrates and a tiny bit of coaxing, but should be doable with the right player

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blkorpheus:

sn9, ty again

[21:26:15]

blkorpheus:

with help with my pvr150 remote

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mkrufky:

i only care whats on in my living room.... . other countries can watch what they want, sn9 :-P

[21:26:44]

sn9:

mkrufky: right, until their writers come here

[21:26:52]

mkrufky:

and by variety shows.... does that mean reality shows?

[21:26:52]

blkorpheus:

it may help ultimately fix that bug of not hving the ir blaster bin in /lib/firmware

[21:27:04]

mkrufky:

what is 'variety show' ?

[21:27:23]

sn9:

mkrufky: no, remember lawrence welk/sha na na/all those other things?

[21:27:31]

justinh:

mkrufky: generally what I'd call a 'populist filler drivel' show

[21:27:33]

iamlindoro__:

Japanese shows really make me laugh.. they're all about some guy in diapers having his nuts cut off by a crab so that he can win some useless trinket

[21:27:53]

mkrufky:

ooooh!

[21:27:58]

mkrufky:

im allowed to talk about this now

[21:27:59]

mkrufky:

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/googl . . . ;newsLang=en

[21:27:59]

sn9:

iamlindoro__: well, there's also NHK news

[21:28:15]

iamlindoro__:

OMG

[21:28:24]

iamlindoro__:

YES!!!

[21:28:26]

mkrufky:

yes... ive been sitting on this for a while

[21:28:26]

iamlindoro__:

DRIVERS

[21:28:27]

iamlindoro__:

now

[21:28:28]

iamlindoro__:

now

[21:28:29]

iamlindoro__:

now

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mkrufky:

DYING to tell everybody

[21:28:39]

iamlindoro__:

I'll take five

[21:28:42]

mkrufky:

luckily, i am working on the WINDOWS driver

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mkrufky:

so..... yeah, i think i'll write a linux driver, too ;-)

[21:29:03]

iamlindoro__:

Best. news. Ever.

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mkrufky:

:-D

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** sn9 can't wait for firefox to actually render that page so i can know what the hooha is **

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iamlindoro__:

Now I have to change my surly answer to the "guess I'll get a component capture card" comment

[21:29:29]

justinh:

I saw a European lotto show when I was in France once (think it was from Corsica). They did the draw with bunny girls pulling coloured numbered balls from old-fashioned tombola thingies. hilarious. scorchio, eth heth hef heth heheth...

[21:29:40]

iamlindoro__:

sn9, Read my comment and you'll know

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sn9:

oh

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justinh:

WHAT?!

[21:30:08]

iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, Can you comment on any potential evilness or gotchas?

[21:30:09]

jams:

mkrufky- decent price as well

[21:30:18]

mkrufky:

no gotchas, iamlindoro

[21:30:27]

iamlindoro__:

I love you new york sunsabitches

[21:30:29]

justinh:

HDMI input or something?

[21:30:49]

mkrufky:

component, just

[21:30:50]

justinh:

ah no. component. ach well better n nowt

[21:31:07]

mkrufky:

er, that was supposed to be your nick, not the word just

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Kazan:

someone had a link to some h264 samples

[21:31:23]

Kazan:

someone have it handy

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directhex:

it's been taken down

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justinh:

that's almost awesome anyway mkrufky :)

[21:32:08]

mkrufky:

'almost' awesome ?

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directhex:

no, wait, it was a ddos

[21:32:14]

directhex:

hooray!

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directhex:

http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/

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justinh:

I reserve the word 'awesome' for stuff like the miracle of life, etc... ;)

[21:32:33]

mkrufky:

ah

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justinh:

very 1.0 :)

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justinh:

have to say though, I never thought I'd see the day

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justinh:

there's hope yet :D

[21:33:47]

mkrufky:

i hinted a few weeks ago, that you'd change your tune very soon

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Kazan:

ty directhex

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iamlindoro__:

All love to Hauppauge

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jams:

mkrufky- any idea how many you can hook up before the usb bandwidth is used up?

[21:34:18]

directhex:

mkrufky, hang on, an hd capture box?

[21:34:37]

mkrufky:

jams: it uses less bandwidth than a standard dvb device

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directhex:

kiss ass!

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justinh:

jams: I'd imagine about 18mbits tops

[21:34:47]

directhex:

erm, kick

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directhex:

what the hell, both!

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iamlindoro__:

haha

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mkrufky:

justinh: driver lets you specify the bandwidth . compression rates etc

[21:35:23]

jams:

ah ok

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iamlindoro__:

Better buy one before anything happens... mkrufky, anything more than Q1 08? Monthish?

[21:35:28]

mkrufky:

you can even scale down the resolution if you want

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mkrufky:

all in real time

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justinh:

long live component output................

[21:35:50]

mkrufky:

lol, i cant say anythign that the link doesnt already say

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iamlindoro__:

fair enough

[21:36:28]

jams:

mkrufky- so where is the application for a free eval unit =)

[21:36:32]

mkrufky:

the thing works, though ... and it wworks WELL

[21:36:41]

mkrufky:

lol...

[21:36:44]

directhex:

justinh, proof that teh analog holezzz needs plugging! the image constraint token will come into play in 3....... 2........ 1........

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jams:

i would love to make it mythvantage autodetect that device

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mkrufky:

mythvantage ?

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Kazan:

interesting

[21:38:38]

Kazan:

on the astra.hd sample i had some performance artificating

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Kazan:

but cpu usage never exceeded 30%

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iamlindoro__:

Yeah, cue the mandatory upgrade to boxes with only HDMI :)

[21:39:01]

jams:

mkrufky- the distro i work on in my spare time. similiar to knppmyth/mythdora but better ;)

[21:39:05]

iamlindoro__:

Although hopefully the FCC would never go for that

[21:39:30]

Kazan:

now the bbc.hd sample from Kill Bill.. that spiked one of my cores to max usage (the playback decoder isn't multithreaded?!)

[21:39:41]

jams:

mkrufky- mythvantage.com if you want to see some screenshots

[21:40:11]

directhex:

Kazan, the Internal player is not as standard, no

[21:40:31]

directhex:

Kazan, and generally, libavcodec will only thread h264 files encoded using slices

[21:40:31]

Kazan:

libmpeg2 multithreaded?

[21:40:48]

Kazan:

oh wait that one help for h264 anyway

[21:40:59]

Kazan:

s/one/wont

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Kazan:

grr

[21:41:07]

Kazan:

hands+brain desyncs get really annoying

[21:41:09]

directhex:

try an svn mplayer build

[21:41:18]

Kazan:

go zoom?

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Kazan:

heh

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directhex:

give it a shot

[21:41:35]

Kazan:

i was just curious to see if my system could decode it

[21:41:42]

mkrufky:

ah, cool jams

[21:41:45]

Kazan:

would a recent xine be good for testing as wellm?

[21:41:52]

directhex:

nah, xine sucks ;)

[21:42:05]

directhex:

mplayer's where the magic happens!

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Kazan:

i despite mplayer's interface

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Kazan:

despise*

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iamlindoro__:

Hahaha, and you get an IR Blaster to boot

[21:45:29]

** iamlindoro__ resolves never to let another comcast tech into the house to take his sweet, sweet component away **

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: lucky you're not asking for a cablecard

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Kazan:

heh... the local soccer team just sent out a ticket sail email to it's mailing list

[21:46:15]

Kazan:

and i'm in one of the pictures of the crowd they put into it :D

[21:47:04]

directhex:

hauppauge appear to rule

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directhex:

damnit, now i need to ask myself whether i could stomach using an ir-blaster on a sky box

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Kazan:

heh

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Kazan:

you know what would be awesome... component HD capture card with hardware mpeg2 encoding

[21:48:39]

directhex:

mkrufky, what's the upper limit on captures? res & rate?

[21:49:24]

AndyCap:

directhex: http://www.heenan.me.uk/control-sky-from-pc/ ?

[21:50:10]

justinh:

directhex: a couple of peeps who used to frequent this channel got them & are dead happy

[21:50:24]

Kazan:

ok

[21:50:33]

Kazan:

i should read what mkrufky has been talking about BEFORE making comments sometimes

[21:50:38]

Kazan:

because.. he was just talking about exactly what i want!

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mkrufky:

15 mbps @ 1080i

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directhex:

justinh, only 1 channel at a time though

[21:50:51]

Kazan:

is there going to be a non-usb version mkrufky?

[21:51:04]

mkrufky:

really, i can only say whats in that link

[21:51:06]

Kazan:

ouch @ MSRP :(

[21:51:08]

Kazan:

ah

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sn9:

wait, the component capture thing is usb?

[21:51:15]

mkrufky:

usb

[21:51:20]

sn9:

ugh

[21:51:21]

iamlindoro__:

I'll pay $250 with a smile

[21:51:31]

iamlindoro__:

several of them, actually

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directhex:

why ugh? usb's not short on bandwidth

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sn9:

directhex: usb connection issues are not fun when they happen

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Kazan:

mkrufky: does that device grab the audio as well?

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iamlindoro__:

This blows the mythtv broad-appeal factor wide open

[21:52:37]

Kazan:

because as i understand it YPrPb is video only

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sn9:

pci/pcie buses are very preferable

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mkrufky:

Kazan: yes, of course

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** iamlindoro__ starts to think about machining it into a little HTPC case, all sexy-like **

[21:53:37]

iamlindoro__:

mkrufky, Is optical too much to hope for?

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sn9:

also, throughput != bandwidth

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mkrufky:

oh , component + rca audio

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Kazan:

bah

[21:53:55]

Kazan:

get them to add optical audio connector :D

[21:54:02]

mkrufky:

already there

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mkrufky:

you can select the inputs on the fly

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iamlindoro__:

so RCA + optical then?

[21:54:21]

Kazan:

ooh

[21:54:26]

Kazan:

so YPbPr+Optical

[21:54:29]

Kazan:

w00t 4tw

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iamlindoro__:

no shit

[21:54:35]

sn9:

what about coax spdif?

[21:54:41]

Kazan:

i don't have use for it myself, and my machine cannot keep up with H264 decoding

[21:55:03]

Kazan:

but... it's awesome that some company finally got bawls enough to give us the hardware we need to slave HD set top boxes without firewire :D

[21:55:13]

mkrufky:

its got pass-thru, too

[21:55:21]

iamlindoro__:

I can think of three I need so far... Now hopefully Comcast doesn't buy you guys to keep it out of the market :)

[21:55:28]

sn9:

Kazan: don't forget the talk of the "analog hole"

[21:55:44]

Kazan:

yeah.. they're not ever going to be able to seal that

[21:55:53]

Kazan:

the broadcast flag has been smacked down every time it reared it's ugly head

[21:56:18]

Kazan:

plus.. this is just the tip of the iceberg

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sn9:

unless they kill off component outputs — that would seal it

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Kazan:

if the USB version does well i expect an internal pci-express version would follow

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mkrufky:

yeah, that would kill it all

[21:56:38]

Kazan:

and then other vendors would follow after

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Kazan:

and then... someone will get the nerve to make a cablecard mcard adapter for pci express

[21:56:57]

Kazan:

with any luck :D

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sn9:

i'm not convinced component outputs are here to stay

[21:57:28]

Kazan:

i'm sure they'd like to kill them

[21:57:38]

Kazan:

but there are a fair number of HDtvs that can ONLY take HD via them

[21:57:43]

Kazan:

so there would be some pissed off people

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** Kazan used to sell such HDTVs when he was in high school (2001–2002) **

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sn9:

Kazan: ppl who say "ah, it's broke? time for a new one!"

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AndyCap:

just silently downgrade component output to 480i

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mkrufky:

yeah i hate that

[21:58:45]

mkrufky:

luckily...... we're not doing that in the HD PVR

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directhex:

Anduin, the "image constraint token"

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Kazan:

sn9: very doubtful

[21:59:10]

Kazan:

these were 40"+ 1080i sets that we stocked

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directhex:

"hd ready" certification in .uk requires component

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Kazan:

and we talked to every person who bought one

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Kazan:

these were not the type of people who would just not go scream at their cable company

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Kazan:

directhex: probably the same in the states.. let's see

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iamlindoro__:

Hopefully they'll just grin and bear it and make sure their new cable boxes don't support component at all

[22:00:28]

iamlindoro__:

And I'll not give them the old one back :)

[22:00:49]

sn9:

Kazan: "hd capable" requires component; not sure about "ready"

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: they control the horizontal. they control the vertical.

[22:01:47]

Kazan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_ready

[22:01:51]

Kazan:

Analogue YPbPr HD input

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Kazan:

required for "Ready" and "ready 1080p"

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sn9:

input != output

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AndyCap:

sn9: yeah, you don't look for hd-ready cable boxes. only tv's

[22:02:58]

sn9:

yes, but what good are inputs without outputs?

[22:03:20]

AndyCap:

as good as a phone call when you have no mouth

[22:03:20]

Kazan:

there are standards in the us for saying something is hd

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iamlindoro__:

I have no mouth and I must scream

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** sn9 dcc's iamlindoro__ an extra mouth to feed **

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directhex:

iamlindoro__, that was a crap point & click

[22:04:11]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro__: heh, long time since I read that story

[22:04:12]

iamlindoro__:

haha, I only read the book

[22:05:07]

AndyCap:

why does sky boxes accept remote commands through the rf port?

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sn9:

why not?

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AndyCap:

because rs-232 has existed for years?

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sn9:

oh, i thought you meant in addition to rs-232

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AndyCap:

"We commonly supply 5 and 15 output controllers, please just ask." kinky

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justinh:

AndyCap: to greatly simplify running the 2nd rf output to another room & relay the IR signals. DUH

[22:12:11]

sn9:

i have an ir-to-rf-to-ir set from radio shack

[22:12:21]

AndyCap:

Heh, I thought rf modulators died with VHS, so guessed they meant rf input.

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sn9:

a year ago, i bought an s-video a/b box (well, a/b/c/d) and it has a built-in rf modulator

[22:13:40]

AndyCap:

Hah. they need an adjustment: http://www.dusky-control.com/tv-cards.shtml http://www.dusky-control.com/tv-cards.shtml

[22:13:48]

AndyCap:

Doh.

[22:13:57]

AndyCap:

"No hardware compression – with mythtv we recommend using a card without hardware compression, allowing you to use mythtv's superior mpeg4 based compression."

[22:14:10]

justinh:

what?!

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directhex:

AndyCap, where? BURN IT WITH FLAME!

[22:14:32]

justinh:

they're talking out of their arse, plainly

[22:14:37]

AndyCap:

quite.

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sn9:

well, it is superior, if you have a 10GHz cpu

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AndyCap:

And they recommend the cheapest hauppauge card they could find.

[22:15:35]

AndyCap:

eew

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sn9:

if you're gonna be cheap, it might as well not be hauppauge

[22:17:08]

sn9:

hauppauge's tuners have never been particularly sensitive to weak signals

[22:18:02]

mkrufky:

we stopped using the can tuners in all our new products

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mkrufky:

so... somebody should take a new evaluation ;-)

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sn9:

hvr-1600?

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sn9:

that's the product where the "never" comes from

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orionr:

Hey what guide should i follow to install mythtv on my desktop running ubuntu

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mkrufky:

heh, tin can used for analog

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mkrufky:

silicon used for digital

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iamlindoro__:

orionr, the Ubuntu Community docs are probably the best source

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sn9:

digital reception of weak signals on the hvr-1600 is weak compared to cheaper things like the kworld 120

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iamlindoro__:

certainly not some randomly googled blog (and there are many) :)

[22:20:52]

mkrufky:

yeah i heard some bad things about the tuner on that one

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mkrufky:

luckily, that device totally pre-dates me

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: as someone who has contributed to the Ubuntu Community docs, i disagree

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sn9:

mkrufky: good

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iamlindoro__:

sn9, I too have contributed to the docs, and I challenge you to show me a better walkthrough for a stock ubuntu user

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orionr:

i just install mythtv-desktop and the mythbuntu control centre did now launch automatticaly like it said it would do in this tutorial

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orionr:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy_Frontend_Desktop

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orionr:

what should i do?

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: the problem is not the abundance of bad info, but the lack of good info

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mkrufky:

i think that j-rod's fedora howto "myth(tv)ology" is the best one ever, regardless of what distro you're actually using

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orionr:

sn9: i just installed mythbuntu-desktop but nothing happended should i launch mythbuntu-control-centre

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orionr:

?

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Kazan:

i have "monitor cd/dvd (and other removable devices" enabled

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Kazan:

i have the mythtv.rules file in /etc/udev/rules.d

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sn9:

i haven't looked at that page specifically, but plenty of pages there are very shitty

[22:24:30]

Kazan:

i have the script in /etc/udev/scripts (though i had to create that folder)

[22:24:36]

Kazan:

i attached and turned on a removable harddrive

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jams:

mkrufky- i agree it has some great info

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Kazan:

KDE saw it

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Kazan:

but myth doesn't

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Kazan:

any ideas?

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Kazan:

did maybe /etc/udev/scripts not existing mean it's not even being looked in? (not just that no scripts were installed)

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justinh:

if only the wiki got anywhere near as much love as some blogs :(

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sn9:

justinh: the wiki would be worse off in such a case

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sn9:

orionr: i haven't looked that closely at the mythbuntu-desktop pkg, but based on what i know of *buntu-dekstop, i'd say you should log out and change the session type

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orionr:

sn9: i have the tv working and it is finding some channels but it is only finding up to channel 13 when i do the scan for channels.

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sn9:

orionr: wrong freq table

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orionr:

sn9: where do i change that?

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sn9:

us-cable instead of us-bcast or vice-versa

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sn9:

you change it in mythtv-setup

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blkorpheus:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/181871

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jarle_:

trying to update to mythvideo_0.20.99+trunk15283–0ubuntu0~mythbuntu1_i386.deb it fails telling me that it tried overwriting /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/mv-sel.png which is found in mythtv-common??

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orionr:

sn9: if i am just pluged into the wall using a coxail cable it should just be us-cable correct?

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orionr:

what is us-cable-hrc?

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sn9:

yes, but some providers use us-cable-hrc

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orionr:

sn9: i have tried us-cable-hrc and us-cable and they still only find 13 channels any idea?

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sn9:

orionr: you do pay for cable service, right?

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orionr:

yes

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sn9:

and you're changing it for the lineup, not just globally, right?

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orionr:

there is an option that says channel frequency table:

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orionr:

that is where i am changing it

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sn9:

there are two such options

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sn9:

one global, one per lineup

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orionr:

I am in Global Backend Setup

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orionr:

sn9: i guess i am only changing it globally where is the other option?

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sn9:

i'd have to look

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orionr:

is it in the same setup place?

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iamlindoro__:

It's in the channel scan

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iamlindoro__:

The page just before it kicks off

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iamlindoro__:

In the same section as modulation, seperator, etc.

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orionr:

how can i make my mythtv go full screen i have like the menu bars still showing

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sn9:

orionr: i haven't looked that closely at the mythbuntu-desktop pkg, but based on what i know of *buntu-dekstop, i'd say you should log out and change the session type

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iamlindoro__:

Appearance in frontend

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: he means the gnome panels

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iamlindoro__:

Erm... are you sure?

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iamlindoro__:

maybe so

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orionr:

How do i change channels i think the keys all all off?

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iamlindoro__:

orionr, You need to read the wiki for this simple stuff

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iamlindoro__:

Under Watching TV, everyday usage

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Kazan:

anyone know how to stop KDE from automatically opening konquerer on usb media attach?

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iamlindoro__:

Kazan, ubuntu right?

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Kazan:

no

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Kazan:

fedora

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iamlindoro__:

Hmm

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iamlindoro__:

Dunno then :)

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sn9:

it does not do that in kubuntu

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jarle_:

Anybody know who manages the mythtv-users mailing list? I'm wondering why the list was removed from gmane.org?

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sn9:

jarle_: could have been an accident

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sn9:

gmane.org certainly beats gossamer-threads

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jarle_:

Kazan: when you get the popup, you can tell it to "do nothing" for this media...

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Kazan:

it's not a popup

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Kazan:

it actually opens konquerer

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Kazan:

i've set the auto action to do nothing

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sn9:

well, fedora is not exactly known for its kde management...

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Kazan:

ha

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Kazan:

lol

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Kazan:

they reversed some lables

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Kazan:

"umounted removable medium" setting is actually the "mounted" setting

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jams:

jarle_- it was on gmane and the list got spammed, so now it's not

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Kazan:

now.. how to get mythtv to pick up on that drive insertion

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sn9:

jams: then it was on gmane badly

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sn9:

jams: there is an option to moderate all gmane posts

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jarle_:

sn9: I have sent Lars a mail asking if he has any info about why the list was removed. I tried to re-subscribe it, but was told (by a automated message) that it used to be subscribed, but it had been removed by the list-administrator at some point...

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jarle_:

jams: according to gmane they run anti-spam software on all posts...

[22:59:21]

jams:

jarle_- i'm not the one you have to convice

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jams:

convince

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sn9:

jarle_: the anti-spam isn't perfect; i've seen it fail, but not often

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jarle_:

jams: who should I talk to?

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jams:

jarle_- if you search the -users archive you will see it's been hashed and rehashed several times.

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** jarle_ is getting crazy having spamd hogging the cpu scanning all the mail from the list, I really prefer nntp... **

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sn9:

jarle_: maybe the urls of the rehashes should go on the wiki?

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sn9:

jams: ^^^

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sn9:

jarle_: sorry, bad tab-complete

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jarle_:

jams: what does hashed/rehashed mean in this context?

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jams:

jarle_- you would need to convince the list owner, which is Isaac.

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sn9:

jarle_: "discussed to death"

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sn9:

i would certainly like to read the past discussions

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jarle_:

sn9: oki :)

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jarle_:

Any reason why a mythtv hasn't got a news-group instead of a mailing list? It sure seems like there is more than enough traffic?

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sn9:

i proposed putting a local lug's list there, and nobody has opposed it. it would be nice to see *some* opposing viewpoint, even if i have to argue against myself

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sn9:

jarle_: most ppl don't like nntp-only access, unfortunately

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purserj:

jarle_: most likely because news groups have fallen out of favour as a means of communication?

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jams:

some isp's block nntp

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jarle_:

sn9: then you would have google taking care of the archiving too...

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jams:

or only give you access to certain groups

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justinh:

you can't move on newsgroups for spam now

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sn9:

jarle_: wait, USENET??? no way

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jarle_:

jams: REALLY? sound crazy to me....

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justinh:

certainly not text ones anyway

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iamlindoro__:

wtf happened to discovery HD? When I watched it in the summer it was Planet Earth, etc... now it's all Myth Busters, Smash Lab, and How it's made????

[23:06:38]

jams:

jarle_- yeah it's crazy but true

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: haha

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justinh:

you have to talk to ISPs to get a group carried. big hassle

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justinh:

anyway – as if anybody searches the lists before asking questions here :P

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iamlindoro__:

wtf... Cash Cab??

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iamlindoro__:

What's next, Discovery? "Wild on... Antarctica?"

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jarle_:

justinh: actually I'll only use the list for answers I can't get in this channel, not the other way :)

[23:09:01]

justinh:

I've been trying to remember what first prompted me to pop in here in the very first place

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: on clearqam in sf is national geographic hd, also

[23:09:38]

iamlindoro__:

sn9, Also NOT here ;)

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jarle_:

justinh: there is free news servers, no need to settle for the limited groups hosted by your ISP BTW...

[23:10:19]

iamlindoro__:

Although, I'm crossing my fingers on firewire...

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purserj:

jarle_: the other thing is that by and large nntp requires a seperate app, whereas mailing lists just uses the existing mail app

[23:11:17]

justinh:

anyway I reckon arguing for a mythtv-users newsgroup is about as futile as trying to get this channel renamed to #mythtv :D

[23:11:35]

J-e-f-f-A-work:

jarle_: If you use this channel before the list, you'll get alot of redirects to search the list...

[23:11:35]

iamlindoro__:

I want my 106" projection 1080 HD screen to be a window to wild, beautiful places, not some handlebar-moustachioed freaks smaching watermelons

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justinh:

you're as likely for mythtv.org to start hosting a forum

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iamlindoro__:

er smashing

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jarle_:

sn9: the "wait, USENET???" part, does that mean that you did not know that google archives usenet postings?

[23:12:14]

sn9:

jarle_: i do know, that's the problem

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sn9:

but nntp != usenet

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marrandy:

Sorry for this bad question – I'm stuck – RCA HD61LPW42 DVI input nvidia 65xxx video headless frontend – how do I configure my video driver ?

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justinh:

a headless frontend?

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iamlindoro__:

It's only a bad question because it doesn't appear to be in english

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marrandy:

no K/B

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justinh:

headless means no monitor

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purserj:

ah headless == no monitor

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marrandy:

inamlindoro: lol

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justinh:

marrandy: without a keyboard attached your only recourse is a remote login of some kind, e.g. ssh or vnc...

[23:13:51]

iamlindoro__:

It's sad when tab autocompletion goes to waste...

[23:13:51]

marrandy:

oh, sorry – no K/B / mouse

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iamlindoro__:

and re the video driver, we'd need to know the distro

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: iamlindoro__: iamlindoro__: isn't gallagher dead?

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justinh:

or do what I did. buy a cheap USB keyboard & have it stowed away for those times you really need it ;)

[23:14:56]

iamlindoro__:

in ubuntu, apt-get install nvidia-glx-new ought to do it

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marrandy:

Yes, I have to buy a USB K/B – thanks for reminding me

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iamlindoro__:

sn9, calmate, only one of me. ;) Is he? Maybe. I meant the mythbusters dorks, though

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: is that new new new or just 'new' – as in the broken one or the one before it

[23:15:52]

iamlindoro__:

justinh, And of course, one might want new new new new-dev

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: i know you are one, but autocomplete...

[23:16:34]

iamlindoro__:

sn9, I know, just teasing you

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sn9:

likewise

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justinh:

you know, since i stopped recording mythbusters I've not missed it one iota

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kormoc:

What bout the cute redhead?

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iamlindoro__:

I am *always* onboard for a cute redhead

[23:17:21]

cafuego:

we all know that's a lie. you're crying on the inside.

[23:17:29]

iamlindoro__:

But that's what late night on cinemax is for

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sn9:

haha

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justinh:

I don't have a place in my heart for 'the ginner' race I'm afraid

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kormoc:

tisk tisk tisk

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whodat:

okay I just installed a pcHDTV card... when i set it up as a pcHDTV DTV capture card in mythtv-settings, the channel find doesnt find any channels. but if i set it up as a DVB DTV Capture Card, I get my digital channels, but not my analog ones. any ideas?

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iamlindoro__:

whodat, It's operating as it should, then

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whodat:

hehe okay

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directhex:

analog? how cute!

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sn9:

whodat: either analog or digital, take your pick; not both

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iamlindoro__:

It won't tune both

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J-e-f-f-A-work:

whodat: Don't use it for analog then... It's only a framegrabber in analog mode anyways.

[23:19:58]

whodat:

but shouldnt i get the digital ones with the pcHDTV DTV setting?

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iamlindoro__:

no

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whodat:

i get nothing with that setting, and thats what card it is!

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iamlindoro__:

v4l would be the analog

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whodat:

iam: but i dont get analog on it either

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iamlindoro__:

v1l card type? then you set the wrong modulation or frequency table

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whodat:

neither setting finds my analog channels

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iamlindoro__:

er v4l

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marrandy:

kubuntu

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whodat:

not that i really care about the analog channels, unless I can get both at once

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sn9:

iamlindoro__: he is saying neither v4l nor dvb, but some third setting

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J-e-f-f-A-work:

whodat: I wouldn't bother — it would be seen as to seperate tuners by Myth, and you would get conflicts.

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iamlindoro__:

I know

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iamlindoro__:

I told him use v4l

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iamlindoro__:

and he said

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iamlindoro__:

but i dont get analog on it either

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iamlindoro__:

presumbly he read what I said and was responding

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sn9:

"it" != v4l

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whodat:

Jeff: yeah i was just gonna use it as a 3rd analog tuner as a well as my HD tuner if i could. (i already have a pvr500)

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whodat:

thats a bad idea?

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iamlindoro__:

apparently not, dude, but I'm not retarded I can parse the language

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iamlindoro__:

whodat, no, just impossible

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iamlindoro__:

(concurrently)

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whodat:

okay no problem

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whodat:

so the pcHDTV card setting is for analog only then?

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iamlindoro__:

NO

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iamlindoro__:

V4L!!!!

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iamlindoro__:

again

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iamlindoro__:

actually, again again

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iamlindoro__:

is the analog card type for that card

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sn9:

he is asking what the third setting is for, not which setting to use

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J-e-f-f-A-work:

whodat: Don't bother using it as an analog tuner. --- and I was confused about the pcHDTV tuner type as well... not sure what it's for...

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iamlindoro__:

sn9, Stop translating for me, It's getting on my nerves

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iamlindoro__:

And that is *not* what he asked

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iamlindoro__:

read again

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whodat:

iam: yeah i heard you, lol... i think we are talking about the same settign though.. the full name is pcHDTV capture card (with v4l drivers)

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kormoc:

whodat, it's for a specific pcHDTV card iirc, not all of them

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** mkrufky gotta go **

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mkrufky:

tty all later on

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iamlindoro__:

whodat, no, I am talking about the *default* v4l only card type

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whodat:

oh okay

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whodat:

okay i will leave it on DVB DTV.. i get my video with that setting. however, the audio doesnt work. it just makes this staticy zap-zap-zap-zap sound

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J-e-f-f-A-work:

whodat: I have two pcHDTV tuners – an HD3000 and an HD5500 – they work great – I'm using them for ATSC over-the-air...

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whodat:

jeff: yeah thats cool.. i may have to get another one.

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sn9:

twice the zap

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whodat:

sn9: dont make me come after you =)

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sn9:

then i won't go before

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whodat:

what a minute. why does this pcHDTV card want me to run an external audio wire to my sound card. I didnt have to do that with the pvr500.

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iamlindoro__:

You only do that in an alog mode

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iamlindoro__:

er analog

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whodat:

ahh

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iamlindoro__:

if you are going ATSC, you don't do it (in fact, *shouldn't* do it)

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whodat:

damn, so thats not why my audio isnt working then

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J-e-f-f-A-work:

whodat: Not necessarily... Does your sound work with mythfrontend currently?

[23:31:15]

J-e-f-f-A-work:

whodat: ie: with programs recorded on the pvr500?

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whodat:

yup

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whodat:

as soon as i flip to a channel that uses my pvr500, sound works again.

[23:31:43]

J-e-f-f-A-work:

whodat: So it should work with the HD tuner as well... It's just an MPEG transport stream...

[23:32:16]

J-e-f-f-A-work:

whodat: Perhaps you have the digital passthru turned on, and it's switching to digital instead?

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whodat:

just to make double sure, i should be using the "DVB DTV capture card (v3.x)" card setting correct?

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iamlindoro__:

yes

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whodat:

is that a switch on the card itself?

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iamlindoro__:

no, it's in mythfrontend

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FinnTux:

is nuvexport maintained anymore?

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FinnTux:

I see it has some problems with svn version

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xris:

FinnTux: 0.4 and 0.5 are both maintained

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FinnTux:

0.4 is for 0.20.2?

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FinnTux:

and 0.5 for trunk?

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xris:

but the developer (me) has been busy with other things and hasn't had time to keep up to date with all of the tickets.

[23:36:59]

xris:

yeah

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FinnTux:

rgr, thanks

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xris:

what revision are you running? I pushed out a bunch of updates a couple of weeks ago

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FinnTux:

I had old 0.4 installation but I'm running svn mythtv

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J-e-f-f-A-work:

whodat: That's in the Settings/Utilities -> Settings -> General -> Audio (page 3)

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xris:

yeah. you need to pull it from mythtv's svn repo if you're running trunk. it's in mythextras

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FinnTux:

ah, right

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whodat:

iam: in TV Settings?

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whodat:

oh just saw Jeffs reply, checking

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** J-e-f-f-A-work Yikes... time to go home (actually an hour ago!) ;-) **

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FinnTux:

xris, thanks. seems to work fine

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whodat:

woo hoo that worked

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xris:

:)

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FinnTux:

xris, I suppose there is no support for DVB subtitles?

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whodat:

is there a way to combine the channels of both cards when flipping through them on live tv? they are combined in the channel guide..

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justinh:

whodat: picture in picture mode

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xanderp:

Looking for help getting an Avermedia Volar A868 USB HD Tuner stick to work in linux for my mythbackend box. I've found resources for the similarly named DVB-T stick but not this ATSC one.

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whodat:

justin: no u neab when just using channel up / channel down.

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justinh:

FinnTux: dvb subtitle support in nuvexport? not likely. dvb subtitles aren't text believe it or not. you'd have to OCR them

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sn9:

xanderp: that's an xc3028 device, right?

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xanderp:

not sure.

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, Douchebag Sony did the same to Blu-ray... take a perfectly working subtitle standard and break it, assholes..

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xanderp:

can i find that with like lsusb or something?

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FinnTux:

justinh, projectx can handle them

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whodat:

justin: when i use channel up/down it only goes through the channels of the card the current channel is using.

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: you still need OCR to convert DVD subtitles though

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FinnTux:

ie. create mpeg suitable for DVD (with subtitles)

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justinh:

FinnTux: good for projectx then

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, They still dicked it pretty good, though... recently had to manually edit OCR for "OldBoy," this Korean film

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iamlindoro__:

justinh, although admittedly it may have had more to do with the way they're muxed in than the subs themselves

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xanderp:

sn9: searching the internet now for the chipset

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justinh:

xanderp: linuxtv.org – in the wiki

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xris:

justinh / FinnTux: there are some decent linux apps for extracting those "image" subtitles into text format... can't remember off-hand what they're called, though

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xanderp:

justinh: I think that is for the DVB-T stick... is it the white one, or the black one?

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iamlindoro__:

I think they some out as SUPs, so probably something with that as the root word, ie SUPRip, SUPRead, etc.

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justinh:

xanderp: effed if I know. that's why you'd look in the linuxtv wiki

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FinnTux:

yea, it's not a biggie. most of my recordings are with "burned" subs

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xanderp:

justinh: I thought you had seen it is why i asked

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justinh:

xris: sounds like mo hassle than it's worth to me :)

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xanderp:

unsupported at linuxtv.org

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xanderp:

:(

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xris:

justinh: mythtv doesn't play the non-text subtitle files.

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xanderp:

not even any info about chipset or anything...

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justinh:

xris: it plays dvb subs no problem here. they're subpictures similar to dvd

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justinh:

as long as they're part of the stream it does anyway...

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xris:

justinh: not on DVDs ripped outside of mythtv (which I guess I could just re-do)

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justinh:

ah right. never been concerned about those

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xand:

wtf

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marrandy:

justinh: ok – I've ssh'd in (had to take a break) what do i need to look for ?

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justinh:

er...

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justinh:

to configure the video card to work with your TV? start with installing binary nvidia drivers for your distro, however you're supposed to do that

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justinh:

then the fun can really begin – and I'm not gonna be any help with that

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