| Sunday, January 6th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:35] | jduggan: | c)its a c2d 2ghz, cpu isnt a problem really :) |
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| [00:04:15] | skyphyr: | hi all – I'm trying to figure out what the situation with mythtv and motorized satellites – does the scan for channels automatically detect a diseqc motor and go through the full arc or is there another way to make mythtv take advantage of it? |
| [00:05:36] | KaZeR: | ok, looks like i managed to make it |
| [00:06:36] | stuarta: | skyphyr: you have to tell myth about your diseq setup |
| [00:07:15] | skyphyr: | thanks stuarta – what is the relevant section of the docs I should be checking? I couldn't find it :-( just found the scan part |
| [00:08:41] | stuarta: | the docs are probably a bit sparse regarding diseq |
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| [00:09:54] | skyphyr: | ahhh ok – thanks :-) |
| [00:10:23] | stuarta: | but essentially you have to model your diseq config off the card |
| [00:11:35] | benben: | nemik: random question, do you have an hdmi output? |
| [00:14:36] | skyphyr: | stuarta – what do you mean by modelling it off the card? |
| [00:14:51] | stuarta: | well you'll need to put in a switch |
| [00:15:07] | stuarta: | then a bit for each location off the other side of the switch |
| [00:15:44] | ** stuarta wonders if he's broken something ** | |
| [00:16:21] | nemik: | benben: not on laptop or myth computer. using vga |
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| [00:16:59] | nemik: | jduggan: not sure then. i don't know what program the livetv uses |
| [00:17:31] | kharan5876: | I just moved to a new place and have a idferent cable lineup. when I run mythfilldatabase it says there is already data for the new few days and does not fetch the data for my new channels. How can i clear the database or force mythfilldatabase to download everything? |
| [00:17:56] | stuarta: | trucate program; |
| [00:18:02] | stuarta: | truncate program; |
| [00:18:38] | iamlindoro: | mythfilldatabase --refresh-all would probably do the trick too, no? |
| [00:18:53] | kharan5876: | ahh thats probably the flag im looking for thanks |
| [00:19:21] | iamlindoro: | kharan5876: well, try that, and if not then stuarta's way is a sure way to make it work |
| [00:19:22] | kharan5876: | these binaries need man pages! |
| [00:19:54] | stuarta: | nah, they have --help :) |
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| [00:20:25] | kharan5876: | hmm i guess is should of tried that |
| [00:21:04] | kharan5876: | yeah my guide listings are accurate now |
| [00:21:07] | kharan5876: | thanks! |
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| [00:24:38] | stuarta: | note to self. do not run out of space on /var |
| [00:24:41] | stuarta: | mysql does not like it |
| [00:26:13] | benben: | :) |
| [00:26:16] | benben: | get a big disk :) |
| [00:26:43] | stuarta: | no, just run apt-get clean |
| [00:26:50] | stuarta: | 3Gb back :) |
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| [00:30:27] | GreyFoxx: | staur: hehe |
| [00:30:41] | stuarta: | :) |
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| [00:31:01] | GreyFoxx: | man I swear my typos are getting worse and worse |
| [00:31:09] | GreyFoxx: | the more I use laptops the worse it gets |
| [00:31:12] | stuarta: | yep |
| [00:31:35] | GreyFoxx: | that or I'm becoming dyslexic (spl?) :) |
| [00:32:09] | stuarta: | probably |
| [00:33:17] | jduggan: | hey guys, around icons and text on the screen i get weird moving artifacts, is this the interlace stuff? |
| [00:33:30] | jduggan: | ive tried combinations of the deinterlace, but its still there |
| [00:33:39] | jduggan: | (in tv, this is btw) |
| [00:33:45] | jduggan: | livetv/recorded shows |
| [00:34:28] | jams: | yikes vga -> dvi is expensive |
| [00:35:05] | benben: | and pointless |
| [00:35:36] | jams: | nah i wouldn't call them pointless. |
| [00:36:16] | jams: | several times it could have come in handy |
| [00:36:57] | jams: | don't now if i'ts $200+ handy |
| [00:46:41] | larson999: | for some reason my volume control quit working like it should. it takes a long time to increase or decrease the volume. and the volume menu is now grey verses the blue it used to be. any idea what's wrong? |
| [00:47:28] | larson999: | the fast forward and reverse menus are grey and don't work as well as they used to either. |
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| [01:00:54] | ** benben wonders what happens if you have a dual tuner setup, record two films then go to watch live tv ** | |
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| [01:02:59] | iamlindoro: | Nothing. It tells you that the tuners are in use. |
| [01:03:47] | benben: | so if you record on one, schedule something to record on the other and watch live tv before it starts? |
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| [01:04:06] | benben: | does it stop live tv and record the scheduled program? |
| [01:04:12] | iamlindoro: | It gives you a choice |
| [01:04:21] | benben: | cool |
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| [01:19:01] | javatexan: | howdy all...well I have a new glich....LOL...the line out of my mobo assumes the speakers it is plugged into will be amplified, so sound to my TV is really quiet. Anyone know of a cheap fix? |
| [01:21:35] | jamesd_: | amplied speakers? they are dirt cheap... |
| [01:22:23] | javatexan: | well I would rather just throw it into my sound system, but I have to turn it up so high, the electrical hum is deafning. |
| [01:23:19] | javatexan: | ;) |
| [01:23:39] | iamlindoro: | Line out is just that, line level out... if you want more than line level, you need to be using the headphone out |
| [01:24:05] | iamlindoro: | line out *has* to go into an amplifier type device |
| [01:25:00] | aburns: | javatexan: but the line-out level of a soundcard *is* designed to go into an amplifier, what input on your sound system are you using? |
| [01:25:37] | iamlindoro: | javatexan, sure you don't just need to turn levels up in alsamixer? |
| [01:26:09] | javatexan: | Yamaha |
| [01:26:32] | javatexan: | alsamixer....I will check it, but I think I had it at 93 or 100 percent |
| [01:27:33] | aburns: | javatexan: what input on the yamaha? (does it say line-in, phono, mic etc on the connector) |
| [01:28:34] | javatexan: | it says DVD |
| [01:28:45] | javatexan: | yes...alsamixer is at 100% |
| [01:29:10] | aburns: | ought to be ok then really, should all be 1v peak levels. |
| [01:29:54] | iamlindoro: | Unless you're using the wrong jack on the soundcard altogether |
| [01:30:28] | javatexan: | I have plugged a el cheapo computer amplified speakers in between and then ran the Yamaha and TV off of it to get normal sound level, but the amplifier on the cheap speakers hum too much for home theater application |
| [01:30:56] | iamlindoro: | javatexan, have you tried a different input on your receiver? |
| [01:31:18] | javatexan: | its the green one on the back...intel 975XBX2KR |
| [01:31:25] | iamlindoro: | and all the jacks on the soundcard with sound playing, to see if you're on the wrong one? |
| [01:31:29] | javatexan: | just tried 2 of them |
| [01:31:39] | iamlindoro: | Then I'd try all of the above |
| [01:31:45] | javatexan: | tried the headphone jack on front of computer too |
| [01:32:02] | iamlindoro: | headphone jack should be blowing your ears out and distorted going into a receiver |
| [01:32:25] | javatexan: | I thought that too |
| [01:32:41] | javatexan: | its quiet as a church mouse |
| [01:32:44] | iamlindoro: | There are no ifs, if it's not doing that then it's a software or sound card problem |
| [01:33:01] | javatexan: | ifs? |
| [01:33:17] | iamlindoro: | as in, no ifs ands or buts about it |
| [01:33:38] | iamlindoro: | if it's not rattling the rafters then your mixer or sound card are set wrong |
| [01:33:52] | javatexan: | i guess it is a newer intel board, so it could be that. |
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| [01:33:59] | iamlindoro: | that is, coming out of an amplified port like headphones into another amplified source like the receiver |
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| [01:36:29] | javatexan: | naw...the way I have it now I have sound from green port in back -> cheap amplified speakers -> Yamaha VX3300 -> TV and normal sound level (like plugging in a DVD player in that slot) just with a electrical hum from the cheap speakers...they've hummed for about a year now |
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| [01:37:10] | javatexan: | I cant figure why the sound level is so low coming from the MOBO |
| [01:39:00] | mzb: | there is probably an option somewhere that switches "External Amplifier" |
| [01:39:40] | mzb: | can anyone see a disadvantage|advantage in having "Delete Files Slowly" on an XFS filesystem? |
| [01:39:50] | iamlindoro: | Analog cables are notoriously fragile and die at a stiff wind.. check cables |
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| [01:41:22] | javatexan: | k |
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| [01:41:43] | Lightning: | Q. I have my cable signal going into my cable box then into s-video1 of my capture card (wintv pvr 500). my main tuner1 is hooked up to my vcr. When I go to watch tv, is there a way to have it default to svideo1 instead of tuner1? |
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| [01:43:23] | iamlindoro: | lighting, as long as there is no listings source attached to the tuner1 slit in mythtv-setup, it will always open s-video |
| [01:43:27] | iamlindoro: | er slot |
| [01:43:52] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone here ever convert an mpeg to a wmv or wmv9 video using mencoder or ffmpeg ? |
| [01:43:56] | iamlindoro: | that is, presuming there *is* a listings source on s-video |
| [01:44:00] | Lightning: | iamlindoro: ok, then when i want to see an old tape, how do i swap to it? i tried not having a listing source but then using C to change would not swap over to tuner1 |
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| [01:44:23] | Lightning: | there is a listing source for s-video with an external tuner app |
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| [01:45:01] | iamlindoro: | Lightning: Well, One thing to try might be giving the tuner-1 extreeeeeeemely low input priority in mythtv-setup and s-video a very high priority |
| [01:45:11] | javatexan: | The User manual does have this NOTE |
| [01:45:11] | javatexan: | The line out connector, located on the back panel, is designed to power either |
| [01:45:11] | javatexan: | headphones or amplified speakers only. Poor audio quality may occur if passive (nonamplified) |
| [01:45:11] | javatexan: | speakers are connected to this output. |
| [01:45:20] | Lightning: | ok, i tried changing the priority to 1 for svideo but it didnt have an effect |
| [01:46:23] | iamlindoro: | Lightning: in that case I advise you to remove the listings source from tuner1 and use the ivtv control programs to switch the input when you must watch a tape |
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| [01:46:55] | Lightning: | iamlindoro: hmmm |
| [01:47:20] | Lightning: | not sure how to do that. guess tie a script to a button on the remote to flip back and forth |
| [01:47:48] | iamlindoro: | v4l2-ctl would be the appropriate program |
| [01:47:56] | Lightning: | ok |
| [01:47:58] | iamlindoro: | and yes, use irexec to launch a script |
| [01:48:22] | iamlindoro: | may or may not work, myth may lock out the device, though |
| [01:48:29] | iamlindoro: | in fact, it probably does |
| [01:48:53] | iamlindoro: | You said it's a PVR-500, why aren't the two using seperate tuners? |
| [01:48:56] | Lightning: | so myth has no support for a default tv device. i noticed that it doesnt remember the last device you were on either on the assumption that all devices are cable devices |
| [01:49:17] | Lightning: | could be seperate tuners, figured i'd get better quality with the svideo though |
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| [01:49:53] | iamlindoro: | I meant assign the s-video to video0, and the tuner device to video1 |
| [01:50:02] | javatexan: | do you think it will fix it if I go with optical audio? |
| [01:50:17] | nemik: | cool. created a mythtstream script to do youtube search and play results :) this will be fun when people come over |
| [01:50:28] | Lightning: | didnt think of that. could do that as long as i dont give something to tuner0 |
| [01:50:58] | iamlindoro: | javatexan: very likely, you'll eliminate the anlog nonsense... but it's probably a minor oversight in software setup that's troubling you... probably not strictly necessary to solve it by throwing money at it |
| [01:52:53] | javatexan: | iamlindoro: You are probably right though I am not sure how to debug audio. This is the first linux box I've ever created with audio turned on, I think. I did check the MOBO audio settings and they are all enabled. |
| [01:53:05] | javatexan: | ;) |
| [02:00:46] | javatexan: | are there some tools I can use to help with the debugging? |
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| [02:05:00] | Disconnect: | anyone having issues with playback of 5.1 audio? it comes out stereo and really really choppy (and underwater) .. mplayer and vlc plays it fine. (its mostly just s3 tivo extracts from digital cable – no recompression/alteration) |
| [02:05:27] | Disconnect: | googling isn't helping. (its mostly pointing to "everything is choppy cuz my [network/disk/reception/cpu] sucks") |
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| [02:07:29] | iamlindoro: | Most likely an issue of AC3/DTS passthrough not being set |
| [02:08:11] | Disconnect: | both are set. some channels work (tons of hidef movies and such extract fine) and some don't (stereo progs from food network) |
| [02:08:14] | nemik: | does anyone know where the mythstream SVN repo is? i'd like to check something in |
| [02:08:23] | javatexan: | I think I have it...iamlindoro |
| [02:09:04] | iamlindoro: | nemik: How are you going to check something in? How could you have commit privileges if you don't even know where the SVN is? |
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| [02:09:34] | javatexan: | My MOBO has left/right, surround, and subwoof.....is there a way to convince linux to treat it like HIFI or headphones....just Left/Right? |
| [02:09:47] | Disconnect: | just checked 2 shows (1 worked, 1 didn't) mplayer -identify shows both as "ID_AUDIO_FORMAT=8192" |
| [02:09:49] | javatexan: | My MOBO has jacks for .... |
| [02:10:16] | iamlindoro: | javatexan: It's not a matter of linux, more likely a matter of your audio driver, need to look at the code/readme for it |
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| [02:10:36] | Disconnect: | javatexan: alsa has options to force it to 2 channels |
| [02:11:04] | iamlindoro: | Disconnect: Dunno then, presumably mplayer and myth both use liba52 |
| [02:11:08] | javatexan: | alsamixer? |
| [02:11:30] | javatexan: | sorry I am a complete noob when it comes to linux and audio drivers |
| [02:12:06] | nemik: | iamlindoro: that's why i'm asking... |
| [02:12:59] | Baudrate: | i can't get mythtv setup to load keeps crashing upon loading the GUI |
| [02:13:23] | iamlindoro: | Look at the code, get the author's e-mail from it, and ask him, nemik... Most likely he will not allow you to check anything in but might accept a patch |
| [02:13:44] | Baudrate: | on Fedora 8 kernel 2.6 |
| [02:13:57] | iamlindoro: | nemik: AUTHORS file |
| [02:14:27] | Baudrate: | i can run myth tv frontend however i can't run backend or the setup or the full mythtv start execution |
| [02:18:43] | jduggan: | does anyone here have experience running mythfrontend on a dualmonitor setup? ive got a CRT screen connected to a pci card running mythfrontend, all working fine, i can move the mouse between screens even in live tv, but if i leave livetv play for a few minutes and bring the mouse back into myth, it wont pickup the mouse again so i cant exit myth without killing it |
| [02:18:48] | jduggan: | anyone seen this? |
| [02:18:54] | jduggan: | its like if i leave the screen inactive |
| [02:19:07] | jduggan: | i cant get control of it again |
| [02:19:19] | nemik: | iamlindoro: ok thanks! |
| [02:19:20] | javatexan: | Disconnect: what should i search for alsa, alsamixer, ....? |
| [02:19:49] | iamlindoro: | javatexan: More likely you will need to set up an .asoundrc file |
| [02:20:19] | javatexan: | where do I search/read about that? |
| [02:20:26] | iamlindoro: | It's not simple... if you have it in your power to just use optical, it's a much better solution |
| [02:20:34] | iamlindoro: | javatexan: There's very likelt an ALSA wiki |
| [02:20:36] | iamlindoro: | er likely |
| [02:20:40] | jduggan: | 2008-01–06 02:16:33.589 Video timing method: USleep with busy wait |
| [02:20:46] | jduggan: | this mean anything to anyone? |
| [02:21:27] | keith__: | can someone help me get myth backend to serve videos over upnp? i can't get it to work, and i don't see anything in any log files |
| [02:21:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith__: Are you using svn? |
| [02:22:01] | keith__: | no |
| [02:22:04] | keith__: | 0.20 |
| [02:22:13] | Disconnect: | ..ok. if i turn off ac3 passthrough it works. (at least on one of the "bad" videos) but no surround |
| [02:22:20] | iamlindoro: | Then it's unlikely to do much for you :) And are you trying to serve MythVideo, or recordings? |
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| [02:22:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith__: Oh, videos, not recordings? I don't think they work in .20, only recordings. |
| [02:22:31] | keith__: | recordings work beautifully |
| [02:22:36] | keith__: | but i can't get videos to work |
| [02:22:39] | GreyFoxx: | Videos "worked" in 0.20. Just not well |
| [02:22:57] | GreyFoxx: | As long as they were imported into the database with video manager on the backend |
| [02:23:04] | keith__: | well, my videos are on another server, mounted using nfs |
| [02:23:15] | GreyFoxx: | and in the same location on the backend as you configured your frontends |
| [02:23:21] | keith__: | they stream fine using mythweb though |
| [02:23:42] | keith__: | all frontends have identical NFS mounts |
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| [02:23:58] | GreyFoxx: | yes, but I'm asking about the backend :) |
| [02:23:59] | keith__: | so, mythvideo works great on all frontends, just not via upnp |
| [02:24:16] | GreyFoxx: | is the content available on the backend in the same location as the frontends ? |
| [02:24:24] | keith__: | yes |
| [02:24:40] | keith__: | can you elaborate on "As long as they were imported into the database with video manager on the backend" ? |
| [02:24:53] | GreyFoxx: | And you have run Videomanager to import them into the database, not just browsing the directories ? |
| [02:25:21] | tjcarter: | hm, unrelated to myth, but Gmail + IMAP + OfflineIMAP + mutt works well if replace delete-message with a macro (and add one for the spam folder) and don't use Gmail's outgoing SMTP server.. |
| [02:25:27] | keith__: | yep, all videos are in the database, including metadata from imdb, posters, etc. |
| [02:25:40] | GreyFoxx: | keith__: That just be al you need then |
| [02:25:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith__: Are they mpeg2 videos? |
| [02:26:03] | GreyFoxx: | What are you serving up to ? |
| [02:26:04] | keith__: | divx in avi containers, mostly. some mpeg2 |
| [02:26:10] | keith__: | currently, GeexBox |
| [02:26:18] | keith__: | i can *see* them, but they won't play |
| [02:26:44] | keith__: | another upnp player reports "video could not be played. it may have been removed from the server" |
| [02:26:45] | GreyFoxx: | Run the backend with -v upnp |
| [02:26:49] | GreyFoxx: | and see if there are any errors |
| [02:26:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith__: So it's probably that your upnp player can't decode the format... |
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| [02:27:01] | keith__: | ok |
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| [02:27:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith__: But follow GreyFoxx's instructions ^^^ He is much more familiar with the code... ;-) |
| [02:27:43] | GreyFoxx: | I tested geexbox with svn the other day, not with 0.20 |
| [02:28:03] | GreyFoxx: | but if A: the stuff is in the database, andB: files are in the same location as the frontends then it should have worked from the backend |
| [02:28:05] | keith__: | hmmm |
| [02:28:52] | keith__: | GreyFoxx: http://rafb.net/p/vJo8TL87.html |
| [02:28:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith__: Do you know for sure if your upnp device(s) can play those files? |
| [02:29:57] | GreyFoxx: | keith__: unfortunately back then the verbose logs for upnp kinda sucked :. |
| [02:29:58] | keith__: | J-e-f-f-A, nope. GeexBox looks like it's supposed to be able to play lots of formats, though |
| [02:30:10] | keith__: | GreyFoxx: let me see if there's a packaged update... |
| [02:30:27] | GreyFoxx: | keith__: doesn't natter |
| [02:30:35] | GreyFoxx: | if you are using 0.20.2 the logging for upnp will suck |
| [02:30:52] | keith__: | :-( |
| [02:30:58] | GreyFoxx: | But you should see some errors of some sort |
| [02:31:06] | keith__: | let me double check all settings |
| [02:31:13] | GreyFoxx: | that log is from when you actually tried to play one right ? |
| [02:31:23] | jduggan: | ror opening audio device (Default), the error was: No such file or directory <- what should my device be? |
| [02:31:28] | Baudrate: | can any1 help a noob setting up mythtv0.20.2 on Fedora Core 8 x86 64 bit linux kernal version 2.6 |
| [02:31:50] | keith__: | GreyFoxx: ... GeexBox got angry when I took the server out from under it.... hold on |
| [02:32:03] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [02:32:47] | ** J-e-f-f-A Fedora Core 8? Wow, another gray hair.... (I'm still running FC6...) ** | |
| [02:33:14] | keith__: | GreyFoxx: all that shows when I try to play is "2008-01–05 21:32:28.587 UPnpCDS::ProcessRequest : /CDS_Control : GetSearchCapabilities" |
| [02:33:29] | GreyFoxx: | dunno then |
| [02:33:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | Baudrate: Have you checked out Jarod Wilson's guide? It may not be setup fupr FC8 yet, but you can probably follow it... http://wilsonet.com |
| [02:33:56] | GreyFoxx: | keith__: You could always run svn or wait for 0.21 which shouldn't be too far away :) |
| [02:34:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | Baudrate: "for" even... ;-) |
| [02:35:25] | Baudrate: | J-e-f-f-A i've done alot of reading and i got it all installed and all my drivers working for my DVB-S card as well as my sound and NVidia |
| [02:35:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Baudrate: Wow, it's still FC6... Anyways, that's what I followed when I started on Myth, with FC3... ;-) |
| [02:35:28] | ** keith__ grumbles ** | |
| [02:36:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith__: How complex is your myth setup? Do you have frontends too, or just UPnP devices? |
| [02:36:14] | Baudrate: | yeah it's still the same for the most part everything's been pretty smooth aside from a few hiccups here and there |
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| [02:36:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | Baudrate: So what is your issue then? I don't know if i can help, as I don't have DVB-S stuff here in the US, but I'll try... |
| [02:37:30] | keith__: | J-e-f-f-A: well, i recently ditched my slave backend... so it's *less* complicated than it was... |
| [02:37:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith__: Any Myth frontends? |
| [02:37:49] | Baudrate: | I can't run the Backend of mythtv from terminal |
| [02:37:57] | Baudrate: | it displays an error |
| [02:37:59] | keith__: | dedicated backend, 2 dedicated frontends, plus a few PCs that also happen to run the frontend occasionally |
| [02:38:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith__: Ok, so updating to SVN wouldn't be trivial then... |
| [02:38:41] | keith__: | no |
| [02:38:44] | Baudrate: | I can't even run mythtv setup |
| [02:38:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | Baudrate: You're running an X server, right? |
| [02:38:57] | keith__: | Baudrate: what's the error? |
| [02:40:40] | Baudrate: | 2008-01–05 20:35:11.072 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingPreRecorded |
| [02:40:40] | Baudrate: | 2008-01–05 20:35:11.073 RingBuf(setup): OpenFile(setup, 12) |
| [02:40:40] | Baudrate: | 2008-01–05 20:35:17.573 RingBuf(setup): Could not open setup. |
| [02:40:40] | Baudrate: | 2008-01–05 20:35:17.573 RingBuf(setup): CalcReadAheadThresh(4000 KB) |
| [02:40:40] | Baudrate: | -> threshhold(146 KB) min read(32 KB) blk size(64 KB) |
| [02:40:44] | adante: | say |
| [02:40:51] | adante: | what is mythpowerbutton.sh supposed to do? |
| [02:40:55] | Baudrate: | right there is where it crashes |
| [02:41:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Baudrate: But this is a first-time setup, right? You said you haven't run mythtv-setup yet? |
| [02:42:27] | Baudrate: | well i can run it in KDE through Multimedia Mythtv Setup |
| [02:42:37] | Baudrate: | but i believe this is only the frontend |
| [02:42:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | adante: If you got that from Jarod Wilson's guide, I think it's a script to kill & restart mythfrontend, designed to be used with the 'power' button on a remote control to 'reset' mythfrontend. |
| [02:43:00] | keith__: | Baudrate: you need to configure the backend using mythtv-setup |
| [02:43:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Baudrate: No, mythtv-setup is only for the backend. You don't run that on the frontend. |
| [02:44:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Baudrate: The only thing you need to setup on the frontend is your mysql.txt to point to your backend to connect to the database on the backend. |
| [02:44:50] | Baudrate: | k |
| [02:44:51] | jduggan: | 2008-01–06 02:44:09.593 Realtime priority would require SUID as root. <- should i suid mythfrontend? |
| [02:44:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | Baudrate: mythtv-setup configures your Tuner cards, Listing Sources, their connectivity, etc. Nothing for the frontend. |
| [02:45:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | jduggan: Unless you're getting 'stuttering' during playback, I wouldn't bother... |
| [02:45:39] | jduggan: | well that i am not |
| [02:45:40] | jduggan: | :) |
| [02:45:43] | Baudrate: | k so i can run that and have now that i can see it again i recognize it |
| [02:45:43] | jduggan: | cheers |
| [02:45:44] | adante: | J-e-f-f-A: ahh thats what i used to use, ubuntu seems to have some slightly different script |
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| [02:45:59] | adante: | on that matter, is there a power button script that works for ubuntu |
| [02:46:27] | adante: | ubuntu seems to rename the exe to mythfrontend.real and put in a wrapper so it can't kill it |
| [02:46:46] | keith__: | how does it kill it? |
| [02:46:55] | keith__: | using the pid, killall...? |
| [02:47:05] | adante: | issues ps and then kills it looks |
| [02:47:12] | iamlindoro: | simple solution is to start and stop myth with mythfrontend.real yourself |
| [02:47:36] | keith__: | adante: if it works like debian, you can just use /etc/init.d/mythtv start|stop|restart |
| [02:47:53] | Egghead: | is there any way to use compression with a dvd iso and have it still playable in myth? |
| [02:47:57] | adante: | keith__: hm.. i have a init.d script but its for the backend |
| [02:48:01] | iamlindoro: | keith__: He's talking about frontend, not backend |
| [02:48:06] | keith__: | oh, sorry |
| [02:48:14] | ** keith__ is trying to watch TV and chat at the same time ** | |
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| [02:48:33] | iamlindoro: | adante: Just dump mythfrontend.real instead of mythfrontend into any power button script, that will work fine |
| [02:48:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith__: So hit Pause... ;-) It's on Myth, right? ;-) |
| [02:48:56] | adante: | iamlindoro: right cheers |
| [02:49:00] | keith__: | actually, no. but that's a long story |
| [02:49:19] | iamlindoro: | adante: No problem-- speaking from (former) experience with Ubuntu's package silliness :) |
| [02:49:55] | adante: | iamlindoro: haha.. yeah when i realised it renamed the exe i immediatelly thought "ok, that is probably going to cause me drama down the road" |
| [02:50:04] | ** J-e-f-f-A goes to the other side of the desk to get the Antec Fusion LCD working on the other box... ** | |
| [02:51:00] | Toxicity999: | I was never a fan of ubuntu's mythtv... I always compile from trunk anyway |
| [02:51:32] | iamlindoro: | adante: Not too painful, though... actually, my deep dark secret is that on multiple systems I have apt-get installed and apt-get removed the packaged versions just to have it set up the dbase/init scripts/etc fast, then I go in and pave over i with SVN |
| [02:51:43] | iamlindoro: | er over it |
| [02:52:22] | Toxicity999: | I'm lazy, I compile on one system and checkinstall it >.> |
| [02:52:33] | Toxicity999: | I know, I know |
| [02:53:15] | iamlindoro: | Nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't save you any time when it comes to seting up database, init, etc |
| [02:53:39] | iamlindoro: | but nothing wrong with checkinstall at all-- I do that with all my mplayer and ffmpeg since it's too much of a pain in the ass to apply patch after patch on multiple systems |
| [02:54:11] | iamlindoro: | I rather like .debs |
| [02:55:33] | Toxicity999: | Yea. |
| [02:55:40] | Toxicity999: | and I only have one backend as of noe |
| [02:55:44] | Toxicity999: | so that's a nonissue |
| [02:55:49] | iamlindoro: | oh, fair enough |
| [02:55:56] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, not a bad solution at all then |
| [02:56:04] | Toxicity999: | and I can do it all right over ssh. |
| [02:56:17] | Toxicity999: | this is an old P3 mythfrontend box, so it's a PITA to compile on. |
| [02:57:29] | iamlindoro: | I got into a funny situation with my mythbox once where Ubuntu was always offering me an "upgrade" to .20.2 |
| [02:59:49] | Toxicity999: | that's just the upload version numbering generally |
| [03:00:10] | Toxicity999: | making sure to set everything higher in the packaging of your own corrects that |
| [03:00:38] | Toxicity999: | or sometimes it's configured to prefer ubuntu repo versions over others all the time |
| [03:00:43] | iamlindoro: | No, I know, just found it funny |
| [03:01:10] | Toxicity999: | Oh, yea =P |
| [03:01:29] | iamlindoro: | I had to make sure to lock versions on mplayer and ffmpeg, because if I accidentally install an unpatched version all my movies stop working, heh |
| [03:02:18] | iamlindoro: | anyway, of to actually *watch* some mythtv (god forbid!) |
| [03:02:21] | iamlindoro: | er off |
| [03:02:30] | Toxicity999: | lol alright |
| [03:08:07] | javatexan: | anyone using the Logitech harmony with mythtv? |
| [03:09:19] | Hoxzer: | yep, I am |
| [03:10:18] | javatexan: | I am guessing you still use the RS232 LIRC receiver, right? Just checkin? The wife...too many questions |
| [03:12:42] | keith__: | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarg |
| [03:13:04] | Hoxzer: | yesyes |
| [03:13:17] | keith__: | GreyFoxx: you win |
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| [03:15:41] | Disconnect: | just for a sanity check.. if mplayer -ac hwac3 (or -afm hwac3) works on a file, mythtv ac3 passthrough should also work, right? (same alsa device settings, etc) |
| [03:15:57] | Disconnect: | javatexan: i do (with a silverstone case/receiver) its a pita :( |
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| [03:48:34] | tjcarter: | "Conference proceedings on 59 audio CDs $472" "Conference proceedings on one MP3 CD $49" |
| [03:48:37] | tjcarter: | ... |
| [03:48:42] | tjcarter: | WTF. |
| [03:50:12] | jams: | media prices must be high |
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| [03:56:18] | Disconnect: | this is not my night. mythcommflag reports a proper length for the video (~2 hours) and rebuilds the seek table fine, but mythtv playback says its 9:59:23 long and ff/rw jump forward by leaps and bounds. any ideas? rebuilt the seektable again with no change |
| [03:59:57] | mzb: | bl00dy myth! ;) |
| [04:00:22] | mzb: | just upgrading to trunk (few weeks old), and moving MBE |
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| [04:00:47] | mzb: | I've slowly been fixing this as they occur (like sql meltdown when data partition was full) |
| [04:01:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | tjcarter: 59 audio cd's is alot... that's less than $1 per duplicated cd... |
| [04:01:21] | mzb: | I've added the (NFS) video share on the new MBE ... now when I start the BE I see a lot of disk usage ... and debug like" |
| [04:01:22] | mzb: | : |
| [04:01:59] | mzb: | 2008-01–06 14:59:24.092 MSqlQuery: INSERT INTO upnpmedia (intid, class, itemtype, parentid, itemproperties, filepath, filename, ti |
| [04:01:59] | mzb: | tle, coverart) VALUES (101404, 'VIDEO', 'FILE', 101401, '', 'home/marcus/src/mythtv/mythtv-multirec/libs/libavcodec/armv4l/dsputil |
| [04:01:59] | mzb: | _iwmmxt.c', 'dsputil_iwmmxt.c', 'dsputil_iwmmxt.c', '') |
| [04:02:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | tjcarter: Oops, wrong math... less than $10/dup cd... ;-) |
| [04:02:08] | mzb: | it appears to be indexing the whole machine! |
| [04:02:09] | mzb: | wtf? |
| [04:06:36] | Disconnect: | thats so schedulesdirect can make a proper report to MS |
| [04:07:34] | GreyFoxx: | mzb: Did you recently update ? |
| [04:07:49] | GreyFoxx: | what revision ? |
| [04:08:46] | keith__: | so, the PS3 even works now with upnp for video and recordings |
| [04:08:58] | keith__: | although, only 27 of my 231 movies play on the PS3.... |
| [04:09:06] | ** keith__ shakes his fist at sony ** | |
| [04:09:15] | GreyFoxx: | keith__: some ps3 users are having problems with firmware 2.10 that they didn';t have before |
| [04:09:27] | GreyFoxx: | It's a known sony issue and they say will be fixed in a future firmware update |
| [04:10:09] | keith__: | well, it looks like the ps3 divx decoder can play *some* xvid, but not most of it |
| [04:10:15] | GreyFoxx: | mzb: What svn revision are you running ? I fixed that problem yesterday |
| [04:10:23] | mzb: | GreyFoxx: I've just compiled from trunk |
| [04:10:28] | mzb: | err |
| [04:10:41] | GreyFoxx: | what specific revision :) |
| [04:10:41] | ** Disconnect just blew the WAF out the window. :( she's wandered off while i suck it back into the tivo (with galleon.sf.net) and will only return when i promise to leave the myth box uninvolved ** | |
| [04:10:45] | mzb: | ok hang on |
| [04:11:24] | mzb: | Revision: 15334 |
| [04:11:30] | Disconnect: | fwiw it -does- look like there's some glitches in the mpeg. but the tivo plays it without nearly that much crazy. (and the tivo is notoriously unforgiving generally, so.. ( ..) |
| [04:11:57] | mzb: | ahh ... and it's multirec |
| [04:12:06] | mzb: | so that would probably explain that |
| [04:12:12] | mzb: | hmm ... bugger |
| [04:12:30] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [04:12:36] | mzb: | what revision would I have to wind back to fix problem (assuming it's not synced) |
| [04:12:42] | GreyFoxx: | you can manually apply it. It's from yesterday |
| [04:12:46] | GreyFoxx: | hold on asec |
| [04:12:50] | mzb: | ok |
| [04:13:28] | mzb: | I'll clear my db and reload it |
| [04:13:35] | GreyFoxx: | don't nbother |
| [04:13:43] | GreyFoxx: | It will auto wipe upnpmedia at startup |
| [04:14:05] | mzb: | too late :) |
| [04:14:08] | mzb: | dm |
| [04:14:27] | GreyFoxx: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/15318/trunk/mythtv |
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| [04:14:45] | GreyFoxx: | That patch should fix it for you |
| [04:14:45] | mzb: | I have too machines that have been building all day ... so any patches at this stage will put me another day behind ;) |
| [04:14:48] | mzb: | thanks |
| [04:14:57] | GreyFoxx: | It affects only 1 file |
| [04:15:05] | mzb: | I'll see if I can work out how to use it |
| [04:15:06] | mzb: | ;) |
| [04:15:07] | GreyFoxx: | so a second make should take secons |
| [04:15:27] | GreyFoxx: | click on the Unified Diff link at the bottom to get the proper patch |
| [04:15:30] | mzb: | in theory ;)) |
| [04:15:33] | mzb: | ok |
| [04:16:07] | GreyFoxx: | save it to the machine |
| [04:16:16] | GreyFoxx: | go to the top of your source tree |
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| [04:17:02] | GreyFoxx: | cd to the top of the mythtv source inside that tree |
| [04:17:13] | GreyFoxx: | patch -p2 < file.diff |
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| [04:17:58] | mzb: | can't find file to patch at input line 5 |
| [04:18:03] | mzb: | trunk/mythtv/programs/mythbackend/upnpcdsvideo.cpp |
| [04:18:10] | mzb: | ah |
| [04:18:11] | GreyFoxx: | you did -p2 right ? |
| [04:18:20] | mzb: | yes |
| [04:18:23] | GreyFoxx: | try -p1 |
| [04:18:34] | mzb: | better :) |
| [04:19:49] | GreyFoxx: | I had fixed that last week, and then accidentally reverted the fix :) |
| [04:20:12] | mzb: | heh |
| [04:20:46] | GreyFoxx: | multirec is likely to be merged back into trunk very soon |
| [04:20:52] | mzb: | yay! |
| [04:20:53] | mzb: | :) |
| [04:20:57] | mzb: | very useful |
| [04:21:18] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, it's sweet for me. my top 8 channels are all on one multiplex |
| [04:21:24] | mzb: | still haven't got the hang of the Input Groups ... but I'll work it out when I've got everything going nicely |
| [04:21:27] | GreyFoxx: | so the majority of my recordings are on the one card |
| [04:21:31] | mzb: | nice |
| [04:22:02] | mzb: | .tas.au streams aren't so crowded :| |
| [04:22:20] | GreyFoxx: | :/ |
| [04:22:27] | GreyFoxx: | my cableco seems to use 8–10 per |
| [04:22:53] | fenriz_: | I'm the dumbass, what's multirec? |
| [04:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | and they are smart enough to realize that the 8 most commonly used channels should be on the same multiplex. Makes it faster for their own boxes to change channels since they don;t have to actually do anything but change pids :) |
| [04:23:27] | GreyFoxx: | fenz: a branch to allow you to record more than 1 channel from asingle dvb card if the channel is on the same multiplex/transport |
| [04:23:27] | mzb: | very considerate of them ;) |
| [04:23:53] | fenriz_: | ahh nice |
| [04:23:57] | GreyFoxx: | fenz: dvb broadcasts usuaolly have several channels on the same frequency and your settop box / tv app just pics out the video/audio streams it wants |
| [04:24:01] | GreyFoxx: | and ignores the rest |
| [04:24:12] | GreyFoxx: | so I can record 8 channels at once on the same card for example |
| [04:24:12] | mzb: | I've only set mine up for 2 on each card ... is there any particular reason why I should|shouldn't go for more? |
| [04:24:33] | GreyFoxx: | mzb: unless you have IO problems I see no reason not set it to the max |
| [04:24:40] | GreyFoxx: | I patched mine to let me set it up to 8 |
| [04:24:45] | mzb: | max is? |
| [04:24:54] | GreyFoxx: | the max is just agui max of 5 |
| [04:25:01] | GreyFoxx: | I changed it to allow me to set 8 |
| [04:25:04] | mzb: | ok |
| [04:25:22] | mzb: | I don't think there are any in .tas.au > 5 so that's fine |
| [04:25:35] | mzb: | how do the input groups affect choice then? |
| [04:25:36] | jhulst: | I need to look into what it needs for the HD Homerun to do multirec |
| [04:26:04] | GreyFoxx: | jhulst: I'm sure that would make HDHomerun users very happy |
| [04:26:14] | GreyFoxx: | mzb: janneg would need to answer that :) |
| [04:26:22] | mzb: | ok, thanks |
| [04:27:03] | ** GreyFoxx yells at WMP11 for not showing his upnp fetched video titles properly ** | |
| [04:27:04] | mzb: | ok, mythtuner and mythserver are compiled and installed ... time to reconfigure |
| [04:27:13] | GreyFoxx: | umm mythwhat ? |
| [04:27:25] | mzb: | mythtuner = (new) MBE |
| [04:27:27] | GreyFoxx: | or are those names of your boxes ? |
| [04:27:29] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [04:27:31] | mzb: | yes |
| [04:27:40] | iamlindoro: | It's like Apple "i" |
| [04:27:41] | mzb: | mythserver = SBE on Xen server (wench) |
| [04:27:53] | iamlindoro: | I just ate my MythPizza sitting on my MythAss |
| [04:28:01] | mzb: | frontends have nicer names so g/f "get's it" ;) |
| [04:28:06] | mzb: | loungetv + bedtv |
| [04:28:32] | iamlindoro: | Ah, but the smart man would have named on "FellatioTV |
| [04:28:35] | iamlindoro: | er one |
| [04:28:36] | mzb: | spent >$20 on RG6 the other day, only to find that the run + interference is just too much |
| [04:28:37] | mzb: | heh |
| [04:29:01] | mzb: | so I've pulled out an old p2–350 to put the tuners in |
| [04:29:22] | mzb: | (I originally had them in the loungetv ... but it's a bit too much for it) |
| [04:29:39] | mzb: | (2+ tuners that is ... plus the move to NFS rather than local drive) |
| [04:30:46] | mzb: | at least, it will be 3 tuners if I can ever get the other one to work ... I'm starting to suspect the auto-gain control ... but haven't found a way of disabling yet it so that I can trim it myself ;) |
| [04:30:56] | mzb: | s/control code/ |
| [04:33:44] | mzb: | mythtuner is up |
| [04:34:00] | jduggan: | any brits awake |
| [04:34:02] | GreyFoxx: | things looking a little happier now ? :) |
| [04:34:47] | mzb: | yes, great thanks :) |
| [04:35:06] | mzb: | fair bit of disk writing etc to start with ... but settled down fairly quickly |
| [04:35:35] | mzb: | that's great GreyFoxx: thanks for your help |
| [04:36:10] | mzb: | looks like beer-o'clock ... and then the race to the finish to see if I can get the mythnet going before I'm required for BBQ duties (et al) |
| [04:36:16] | mzb: | brb |
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| [04:36:45] | jmusits: | GreyFoxx you around? |
| [04:37:15] | GreyFoxx: | half paying attention, trying to work on some code :) What's up ? |
| [04:37:44] | jmusits: | just wanted to talk to you for a quick minute about our discussion lat night |
| [04:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | You'll need to refresh my memory :) |
| [04:38:02] | jmusits: | the PVR-350 mantainer stuff, if you remember |
| [04:38:05] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [04:38:27] | jmusits: | I've been running MythTV on Gentoo for the past 3 or so years, |
| [04:38:47] | jmusits: | just wondering what distro the devs were running on in general |
| [04:39:04] | GreyFoxx: | really couldn't say. I'm sure it varies |
| [04:39:18] | iamlindoro: | They're all running the windows port on Vista |
| [04:39:23] | jmusits: | haha |
| [04:39:29] | GreyFoxx: | I know some like debian, at least 1 is Fedora, I'm a Slackware hound, otherwise I dunno |
| [04:39:38] | jmusits: | ok |
| [04:40:23] | jduggan: | hey guys, need someone to explain this progressive/interlaced stuff.. my STB says it outputs RGB, so does need deinterlacing on a LCD TV? |
| [04:40:27] | jmusits: | I was one of the summer of code dropouts from 2 years ago and I remember then xris and Chutt told me "all" of the devs run ubuntu |
| [04:40:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | jmusits: If that's NTSC or PAL, then yes... |
| [04:41:04] | jams: | i beleive you were told incorrectly |
| [04:41:09] | jmusits: | they all said "ick" when I told them I was running gentoo |
| [04:41:09] | xris: | jmusits: no, just many/most |
| [04:41:27] | jmusits: | xris: how hav you been? |
| [04:41:30] | xris: | I've always run fedora.. don't even like ubuntu that much |
| [04:41:34] | xris: | not bad |
| [04:41:40] | jmusits: | thats good |
| [04:41:44] | iamlindoro: | jduggan: More or less, if you are capturing an analog signal, it's 480i (or slightly more in EU) |
| [04:41:55] | jduggan: | iamlindoro: its digital cable |
| [04:42:02] | jduggan: | J-e-f-f-A: was that meant for me? |
| [04:42:03] | jmusits: | looks like I might be getting involved in MythTV dev for earnest now |
| [04:42:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | jduggan: Oops, yes... |
| [04:42:12] | iamlindoro: | jduggan: Unless you are capturing via QAM or OTA, it's still gonna be a 480i signal |
| [04:42:21] | GreyFoxx: | the distro generally shouldn't matter |
| [04:42:49] | jduggan: | Ok, my next question is, im taking the same output from the STB as the tv does directly.. do LCD TFT's have some built in stuff in the scart ports to deinterlace then? |
| [04:42:51] | iamlindoro: | jduggan: Erm, noting you are in EU, so that's 5-whateveri, but still analogous |
| [04:43:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | jduggan: Yes, it should. |
| [04:43:22] | jduggan: | ah |
| [04:43:47] | iamlindoro: | yep, it has to bring it to the panel resolution and LCD is by nature progressive scan, but that doesn't mean the scaler or the deinterlacer are any good |
| [04:44:00] | jmusits: | GreyFoxx: obviously, but sometimes I have run into some library version issues btw distros |
| [04:44:06] | jams: | jmusits- just curious, but which one was your project? |
| [04:44:09] | iamlindoro: | you can often get better results by using software scalers and filters and outputting and native panel resolution |
| [04:44:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | jduggan: I think you need an RGB scart cable too... To get the RGB quality anyways... |
| [04:44:19] | jduggan: | iamlindoro: it seems mine is better than bob |
| [04:44:22] | jmusits: | just thinking if there was a norm I might want to stick to it |
| [04:44:31] | jmusits: | jams: MythExport |
| [04:45:03] | jmusits: | jams: unfortunately I was working 50+ hrs a week and trying to keep up w/ the project |
| [04:45:42] | jams: | just curious.. and checking your not the mythweather revamp person. =) |
| [04:45:50] | iamlindoro: | jduggan: Bob is no great shakes... and the scaler generally will have more effect on the picturel than the deinterlacer in most cases... But myth's Software Scalers are still pretty young... looks like with the mergin of mythtv-vid branch better scalers are in the pipeline, though |
| [04:45:51] | jmusits: | talk about masochism |
| [04:45:57] | jmusits: | haha |
| [04:46:24] | jmusits: | jams: was there some big issue w/ mythweather |
| [04:47:04] | jams: | just some personal dislikes. |
| [04:47:04] | iamlindoro: | If someone showed Steve Jobs MythWeather, I bet he'd have an aneurysm |
| [04:48:10] | jmusits: | well, it looks like I'm gonna get my MythTV box up to SVN tonight w/ the latest and greatest ivtv drivers and see what breaks |
| [04:48:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Show him, please!!! |
| [04:48:59] | jmusits: | then hopefully I will be able to get coding in earnest, unlike last time |
| [04:49:22] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: If someone kills Steve Jobs then no other operating systems will have anyone to copy for UI |
| [04:49:34] | jmusits: | gentelmen/ladies: goodnight\ |
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| [04:49:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Well, that's not true ... look at OS X... |
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| [04:50:24] | iamlindoro: | What about OS X? It's genius |
| [04:51:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: You said that no other OS will have anyone to copy for UI... I think OS X is more worth copying than M$... |
| [04:51:45] | iamlindoro: | Steve Jobs = Head of Apple |
| [04:52:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: oops... brain fart... was thinking of Bill *ates... |
| [04:52:06] | mzb: | yeehaarrghh .... 3 down ... 2 to go ... then rebuild two machines, put them back in, do some wiring ... (skip a few steps) ... and I'll be all done! ;) lol |
| [04:52:08] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [04:52:35] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Then we agree ;) |
| [04:52:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yep. ;-) |
| [04:53:04] | mzb: | something's still not quite right though (it seems) |
| [04:53:12] | mzb: | MBE is *very* slow |
| [04:54:03] | mzb: | about 20–30 seconds of full-on writing to it's own drive at about 1MB/s (rather than the NFS share) before LiveTV starts |
| [04:54:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: Are you running svn? If so, did you access "My Recordings" on mythweb? |
| [04:54:57] | GreyFoxx: | mzb: I assume no upnpmedia stuff in your sql logs ?:) |
| [04:55:51] | mzb: | J-e-f-f-A: haven't got mythweb (re)installed yet, but yes, svn multirec |
| [04:55:58] | mzb: | GreyFoxx: err |
| [04:56:22] | mzb: | oops |
| [04:57:45] | mzb: | accidentally restarted MBE ... *very* slow |
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| [04:57:58] | mzb: | not much cpu usage ... but a lot of disk |
| [04:58:03] | mzb: | can't tell what it is |
| [04:58:12] | mzb: | doesn't seem to be swap |
| [04:58:41] | mzb: | lol |
| [04:58:49] | mzb: | not logging you reckon? :))) |
| [04:59:25] | mzb: | \me turns -v all off ;) |
| [04:59:28] | ** mzb turns -v all off ;) ** | |
| [04:59:44] | mzb: | (I'll get the hang of that too ... once the beer kicks in;) |
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| [05:00:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: The machines I work with (Tandem 'mainframes) are named with a backslash, so you would have executed "turns -v all off ;)" on "\me |
| [05:01:00] | mzb: | *sigh* ... ok ... next problem(s) (time to start looking for them while the others finish compiling;) |
| [05:01:16] | mzb: | J-e-f-f-A: heh |
| [05:02:25] | mzb: | well this is going to be interesting ... a single stream is using ~23% on the MBE ... time to stack up a few streams |
| [05:04:51] | mzb: | hmm ... not the best test situation ... two of the streams (using single tune + single transport) are fine |
| [05:05:00] | mzb: | but 3rd is *poor* |
| [05:05:09] | ** J-e-f-f-A lirc is giving me a headache on Ubuntu... Grrrrr... ** | |
| [05:05:34] | mzb: | know the feeling ... I've got two receivers and * remotes on a single machine |
| [05:05:47] | mzb: | also, once I hit R for record, I can't change channels .... oh ... duh |
| [05:06:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: It's not that I can't get it to work... it's that I can't get the CVS version to compile – the CVS checkout is missing key files on a virgin checkout... like "install.sh" and "Makefile.sh"... |
| [05:07:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: That's because it starts the recording, then automatically plays back that recording... you have to back out to the main menu and go back into "Live TV" |
| [05:08:00] | mzb: | nope ... just need to switch to one of the other inputs |
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| [05:08:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: Humm... didn't know you could do it that way too... (But I don't watch much [if any] Live TV anymore... ) ;-) |
| [05:09:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | I was over a friend's house on new years day and a commercial came on, and I said – "Hey, what's that?" – Pointing to the TV... They were confused.... ;-) I said "I don't see those things anymore..." with a smile... |
| [05:10:20] | a1fa: | good for u |
| [05:10:29] | a1fa: | tell us how you really feel |
| [05:10:32] | a1fa: | i miss commercial |
| [05:10:34] | mzb: | I need to be able to watch "some" LiveTV ... one of the original reasons I set this all up in the first place is that I've got quite a few TV's but only one STB |
| [05:10:39] | a1fa: | sometimes you miss good tv shows |
| [05:10:52] | a1fa: | mzb: setup a spliter directly into a tv |
| [05:11:08] | a1fa: | :) |
| [05:11:15] | a1fa: | dont waste your cpu cycles for that "{ |
| [05:11:32] | mzb: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, I know what you mean ... my 2.5yo is starting to grizzle when she watches LiveTV and see the adds .... stuff like "I want Bob The Builder back!" ... lol |
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| [05:12:20] | mzb: | a1fa: made whole mytyh-network for $70 ... was cheaper than the cable+etc that I'd have needed |
| [05:12:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: Just tell her "Bob's Dead"... Oops, you probably shouldn't do that, she's only 2–1/2 after all... It might scar her for life... ;-) |
| [05:12:32] | mzb: | AND some of the tv's are OLD ... so only RF in |
| [05:12:51] | mzb: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah ... got to limit the scars at that age ;) |
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| [05:15:04] | mzb: | hmmm ... 4 streams and mythtuner has stabilised to ~60% ... not too bad I guess, although I had hoped for better |
| [05:15:30] | mzb: | can't think of any other way around it ... will have to do until we move house (cross fingers) |
| [05:15:40] | bsdfox: | what's mythtuner? |
| [05:16:16] | mzb: | new MBE |
| [05:16:17] | Iolaus: | Hey guys, I found out the seg fault when exiting live TV problem I was having with trunk is related to OpenGL rendering. When I switched back to QT the problem seems to have gone away. |
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| [05:17:19] | mzb: | I'd have preferred to put the MBE on the xen vm (mythserver) ... but I've had problems with being in a different subnet (and using VLAN trunk from the router) |
| [05:18:04] | mzb: | however, recent changes in the firewall script might have helped that |
| [05:18:28] | mzb: | hmmm : 2008-01–06 16:18:57.658 PIDInfo(0): Failed to open demux device /dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0 for filter on pid 0x102 |
| [05:18:35] | mzb: | (flood) |
| [05:18:42] | mzb: | (different PID's) |
| [05:18:47] | a1fa: | mbe? |
| [05:18:53] | mzb: | master backend |
| [05:19:06] | a1fa: | so mythtuner is your hostname? |
| [05:19:10] | mzb: | yes |
| [05:19:29] | a1fa: | what kind of firewall? |
| [05:19:36] | mzb: | new (old scrap) machine to overcome signal loss when routing aerial cable to the back of the house |
| [05:19:47] | mzb: | firewall == openwrt on WL500GP |
| [05:20:04] | bsdfox: | my load is normally close to 0 with 3 streams |
| [05:20:13] | mzb: | on a p2–350? ;) |
| [05:20:19] | a1fa: | so what are you really doing? |
| [05:21:01] | mzb: | err ... spending more time drinking beer and playing with my family? |
| [05:21:06] | a1fa: | 23:21:02 up 10 days, 2:48, 1 user, load average: 0.38, 0.33, 0.28 |
| [05:21:11] | a1fa: | recording two shows at the moment |
| [05:21:26] | mzb: | and your question is? |
| [05:21:35] | a1fa: | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ |
| [05:21:41] | bsdfox: | mzb: yeah p2450 |
| [05:21:42] | a1fa: | cpu MHz : 2009.766 |
| [05:21:45] | bsdfox: | p2–450 |
| [05:21:56] | a1fa: | primeministerp: 776276k total, 767976k used, 8300k free, 4492k buffer |
| [05:21:57] | mzb: | a1fa: yeah same ... but I wouldn't wast it on myth ;) |
| [05:22:09] | a1fa: | mythfronted is using 256 mb of ram |
| [05:22:11] | a1fa: | how silly |
| [05:22:17] | bsdfox: | my old backend was an a64 3200+.. much better |
| [05:22:26] | a1fa: | 31949 mythtv 15 0 265m 100m 19m S 13.3 13.3 334:00.52 mythfrontend |
| [05:22:29] | mzb: | bsdfox: p2–350 is writing to NFS share if that makes a difference |
| [05:22:43] | a1fa: | evvv |
| [05:22:53] | bsdfox: | I've noticed that I use up too much bandwidth when I have 3 user jobs running on different frontends |
| [05:23:06] | bsdfox: | mzb: yeah that would make a difference. I am using a p2–450 for my backend right now |
| [05:23:27] | a1fa: | i am using 3200+ for my frontend and backend |
| [05:23:29] | a1fa: | single solution |
| [05:23:41] | jamesd_: | guess this makes a nice frontend odel name : Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 180 and 4GB of ram... 2.4ghz btw... |
| [05:23:47] | a1fa: | i got too many computers burning electricity |
| [05:23:56] | fenriz_: | 2500+ for frontend/backend |
| [05:24:01] | mzb: | bsdfox: that's why I've got the new drive in the xen server just for recordings ... while recording it's only ~700/800 KB/s per stream |
| [05:24:04] | fenriz_: | no significant problems |
| [05:24:43] | mzb: | you're all too modern for me ;P |
| [05:24:46] | a1fa: | its so hard to get used to gnome desktop |
| [05:25:07] | a1fa: | i wonder if i can play anything on my 500mhz laptop |
| [05:25:13] | a1fa: | if it would make a nice frontend? |
| [05:25:15] | mzb: | chromium? |
| [05:25:39] | a1fa: | model name : Pentium III (Coppermine) |
| [05:25:41] | bsdfox: | mzb: I really can't figure it out, but when I am doing 1 commflag job I download ~6mbyte/s |
| [05:25:44] | a1fa: | cpu MHz : 497.869 |
| [05:25:56] | mzb: | bsdfox: makes sense |
| [05:26:00] | bsdfox: | a1fa: I have a dell cpx laptop with the same specs |
| [05:26:02] | fenriz_: | a1fa: hd? |
| [05:26:03] | bsdfox: | and 256mb ram |
| [05:26:18] | a1fa: | dell latitude ls here |
| [05:26:20] | mzb: | bsdfox: as I said, that's why I put the recordings drive on the machine that does all the heavy lifting |
| [05:26:25] | bsdfox: | it plays video fine once it gets going, but it's a little slow otherwise |
| [05:26:34] | bsdfox: | a1fa: same laptop I'm using :P |
| [05:26:53] | a1fa: | hehe |
| [05:27:00] | a1fa: | i am running debian on it |
| [05:27:03] | a1fa: | 1024x768 |
| [05:27:05] | a1fa: | hehe |
| [05:27:17] | bsdfox: | mzb: I have a 4 disk raid0 on my BE, it works pretty well except when lots of userjobs are running over nfs |
| [05:27:26] | bsdfox: | thne it gets up to like 10 load :).. mythweb is pretty slow too |
| [05:27:38] | mzb: | make the BE do all the work then |
| [05:27:42] | bsdfox: | a1fa: really slim gentoo install on mine @ 1024x768 |
| [05:28:02] | bsdfox: | I have fluxbox on it |
| [05:28:11] | bsdfox: | mzb: p2–450 is slow |
| [05:28:25] | a1fa: | yup |
| [05:28:26] | a1fa: | sure is |
| [05:28:32] | a1fa: | this laptop is a bitch |
| [05:28:37] | a1fa: | i am spoiled |
| [05:28:49] | mzb: | spoiled children ;P |
| [05:28:55] | a1fa: | no |
| [05:28:59] | a1fa: | i have aq dual core amd |
| [05:29:02] | a1fa: | as my desktop |
| [05:29:08] | a1fa: | it burned out so i had to use this laptop |
| [05:29:11] | mzb: | yes, totally spoiled |
| [05:29:26] | mzb: | :) |
| [05:30:57] | mzb: | hmm ... MBE needs to move to server ... too much load for 350 |
| [05:32:03] | bsdfox: | mzb: I talked to someone else who said xen 3.1.0+ pci forwarding works perfect with hauppage cards |
| [05:32:25] | fenriz_: | that's a nice improvement |
| [05:32:41] | mzb: | yeah works fine here with leadtek ... just the server is too far away from the splitter (and cable goes through a lot of noisy gear) |
| [05:33:12] | mzb: | iirc I'm still on 3.0.2 or there abouts |
| [05:33:38] | bsdfox: | I'm on 3.1.2 now, haven't really used any of the new features though |
| [05:33:40] | a1fa: | lol |
| [05:33:47] | mzb: | s/3.0.3 |
| [05:36:11] | mzb: | GreyFoxx: fyi: stetup 5 streams, some on similar|duplicate channels ... now I'm to the point where I've stopped all the recordings ... but one is still going (despite being marked as stopped) |
| [05:37:43] | a1fa: | has it ever happened to you that mythtv re-records shows it previously recorded in past? |
| [05:38:00] | a1fa: | i dont know if it is the data or the mythtv |
| [05:38:32] | fenriz_: | a1fa: yeah I get that sometimes |
| [05:38:34] | Iolaus: | Anyone have any clever ideas why OpenGL rendering (as apposed to QT) causes my frontend to crash when exiting live tv? This is using trunk. |
| [05:44:02] | mzb: | ok, moved MBE to server ... tuner has a much easier life :) |
| [05:50:28] | tjcarter: | Iolaus: I had that problem with 0.20 |
| [05:50:36] | tjcarter: | Iolaus: I stopped using live TV ;) |
| [05:50:40] | Iolaus: | heh |
| [05:50:51] | bsdfox: | mzb: does that work well? I've been thinking about moving the MBE to my xen server which is a core2 but I wasn't sure that it'd help that much |
| [05:51:00] | tjcarter: | I think it happened with Qt rendrerer too |
| [05:51:08] | mzb: | bsdfox: much better |
| [05:51:11] | tjcarter: | Best I can figure it's nv issue |
| [05:51:15] | mzb: | less load on the slow machine |
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| [05:51:51] | mzb: | had problems before which I can only put down to firewall ... which got fixed during the whole exercise anyway |
| [05:51:52] | Iolaus: | I only started getting the problem when I went to trunk. It'll crash with OpenGL when I leave the Watch Recordings menu too after watching something. |
| [05:51:53] | bsdfox: | you don't have bandwidth issues? |
| [05:52:50] | mzb: | only thing that use a *lot* of bandwidth is commflagging and transcoding ... the Xen VM does all of that so that's not a problem |
| [05:53:32] | mzb: | all the frontends and the tuner, however, live in the main subnet ... so they get their streams from the server through the firewall (and a VLAN-tagged trunk) |
| [05:53:53] | bsdfox: | Iolaus: what release? |
| [05:53:54] | mzb: | but at ~700/800 KB/s per stream that's not a great problem |
| [05:54:09] | Iolaus: | bsdfox: just built from trunk |
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| [05:54:30] | bsdfox: | ... |
| [05:54:51] | bsdfox: | svn info |
| [05:55:01] | bsdfox: | Last Changed Rev: 15261 works very well for me |
| [05:55:10] | bsdfox: | so you can do this: svn co -r 15261 |
| [05:55:31] | Iolaus: | bsdfox: are you using OpenGL rendering? |
| [05:55:44] | bsdfox: | Iolaus: yes |
| [05:55:55] | bsdfox: | and I have 4 frontends |
| [05:55:59] | mzb: | I've just finished building Revision: 15334 (with upnp fix) |
| [05:56:00] | bsdfox: | 1 of them uses QT |
| [05:56:20] | Iolaus: | I might give that release a shot and see if I still have the issue |
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| [05:57:08] | mzb: | (s/with upnp fix not yet applied to multirec) |
| [05:57:25] | Iolaus: | looks like I'm using 15336 |
| [05:57:48] | mzb: | ok, time to look at HD (just for test;) |
| [05:58:38] | Iolaus: | is there any chance that some setting stored for my frontend before I upgraded to trunk might be causing the segfault with OpenGL? |
| [05:58:48] | Iolaus: | or is that unlikely? |
| [05:59:47] | mzb: | hmm ... reception not good enough ... time to test a few things then move some tuners around ! |
| [06:00:26] | mzb: | oh ... lol |
| [06:00:42] | mzb: | was trying to do that with a USB2 tuner on USB1.1 ... might explain something ;)) |
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| [06:04:32] | Iolaus: | Can anyone tell me if there are supposed to be new video options available in trunk? I thought there would be a bunch of new stuff from the mythtv-vid branch merge but I'm not really seeing anything. |
| [06:05:46] | rooaus: | Iolaus: The changes are in the settings. See the playback settings, you can create different video profiles etc and there are new renderers and deint filters. |
| [06:07:26] | Iolaus: | rooaus: thanks for the heads up! I thought they'd be under Media Settings, hadn't looked under TV settings |
| [06:07:50] | rooaus: | np |
| [06:11:24] | bsdfox: | where are the deinterlace filters? |
| [06:11:29] | bsdfox: | I don't have any that I can find |
| [06:12:23] | mzb: | cpu profile stuff |
| [06:12:52] | rooaus: | bsdfox: You using trunk? |
| [06:13:29] | bsdfox: | rooaus: yeah |
| [06:13:32] | bsdfox: | I see it now |
| [06:13:46] | bsdfox: | what's cpu++/cpu+/cpu-- supposed to mean? |
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| [06:14:33] | bsdfox: | which deinterlacer do you guys use also, bob 2x has a lot of tearing for me |
| [06:14:50] | rooaus: | They are "canned" profiles, cpu++ uses the most cpu cycles (but should be better) than cpu-- that uses the least. |
| [06:15:03] | bsdfox: | ok |
| [06:15:28] | Iolaus: | Anyone know if/when the internal player will support software scaling filters? |
| [06:15:43] | rooaus: | I would create a custom profile and play with that first. |
| [06:15:43] | cout: | why would mythv play HD content okay but be choppy when playing SD content? |
| [06:15:50] | mzb: | don't you just hate losing the cover for a machine somewhere in the room? :) |
| [06:19:47] | cout: | hmm, actually I'm wrong |
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| [06:20:44] | cout: | ok, I have two recordings from the same channel, both are 1280x720, but one is choppy and the other is not. any ideas? |
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| [06:21:44] | cout: | I thought the one that was choppy was SD, but I guess they're converting it before they broadcast |
| [06:25:54] | Iolaus: | hmm... it seems I can use OpenGL rendering for video fine, it's just setting OpenGL for the paint engine that causes crashes with my frontend |
| [06:26:00] | Iolaus: | odd |
| [06:26:16] | mzb: | so much for that plan .. the p2–350 doesn't like the DTV card ... *sigh* |
| [06:27:47] | nemik: | anyone have suggestions for a good wireless keyboard/mouse? |
| [06:30:01] | mzb: | I have bought logitech for clients with good results |
| [06:33:12] | Tanthrix: | cout: Different levels of compression and bitrates influence video streams, not just resolution. |
| [06:34:01] | Tanthrix: | cout: My system can play pretty much all 720P x264 files just fine, but I've across a few that cause the mplayer "your system may be too slow" warning. |
| [06:35:56] | cout: | seems to do better with xvmc... though I know that's not going to work for HD |
| [06:36:33] | rooaus: | nemik: Expensive, but the Logitch DiNovo Edge. Has a trackpad and desktop recharger and *great* range, it was cheaper than the 4 other keyboards I tried before it. |
| [06:36:44] | cout: | er, 1080i, I mean |
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| [06:44:03] | Toxicity999: | Stupid question, but something I've never had to try before. I have a data dvd, some video files thrown on a disc, short of pointing mythvideo to the dvd as a source... how can I view it? |
| [06:44:24] | mzb: | time to see if I can scrounge up an ATX case from downstairs ... pretty sure I'm out :( |
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| [06:50:51] | iamlindoro_: | Toxicity999: mount it to a point under your normal mythvideo directory |
| [06:50:58] | iamlindoro_: | and do a video scan |
| [06:51:10] | iamlindoro_: | ie /movies/dvdmountpoint |
| [06:51:12] | Toxicity999: | Yea, that's what I was going to do. |
| [06:51:24] | Toxicity999: | Was hoping there was a more elegant way to just browse a disc. |
| [06:51:28] | Toxicity999: | Oh well. |
| [06:52:04] | bsdfox: | grr mythbackend keeps trying to connect to localhost.. I made sure mysql.txt was correct in ~/.mythtv/ and /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/ .. could it be hiding somewhere else? |
| [06:52:35] | Toxicity999: | -setup point it all to the LAN IP. |
| [06:53:18] | bsdfox: | oh, ok |
| [06:54:55] | Toxicity999: | alright going to bed |
| [06:58:05] | nemik: | thanks rooaus |
| [07:00:41] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Decide on an HD card yet? |
| [07:16:03] | rooaus: | nemik: np |
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| [07:29:43] | justinh: | Iolaus: grepping the source seems to indicate your beloved lanczos filter is in libswscale. but a comment in changeset r14800 seems to say libswscale is still unused |
| [07:30:16] | Iolaus: | correction: MUCH beloved :) |
| [07:31:06] | Iolaus: | justinh: any idea what unused means? Like, someone still need to implement it or its there and there just isn't a GUI option, or... ? |
| [07:31:39] | justinh: | I'd take unused as meaning just that I'm afraid. digging in the code some more now |
| [07:32:10] | justinh: | I think the playback filter setting must be doing a check against valid available filters. I'll see if it's mentioned there |
| [07:32:36] | Iolaus: | justinh: Thanks for looking into this for me :) |
| [07:33:38] | justinh: | doesn't seem to be in there |
| [07:34:35] | Iolaus: | is there some special magic that takes place to make the filters compatible with mythtv? |
| [07:34:45] | Iolaus: | aren't they all part of ffmpeg? |
| [07:34:59] | justinh: | however line 260 of libswscale/swscale.c mentions lanczos |
| [07:36:35] | Iolaus: | man, I'm watching a bit of Gladiator in mplayer with lanczos scaling right now and it looks beautiful (except for a bit of tearing which I think is an issue with the intel drivers) |
| [07:37:53] | mzb: | oh dear : 2008-01–06 18:36:48.707 MythSocket(3d221f0:34): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick). |
| [07:38:31] | mzb: | during testing I recorded some radio streams. When I tried to delete them I ran into problems (they had no names in the list) |
| [07:38:38] | justinh: | Iolaus: have you asked the question on the -dev mailing list yet? |
| [07:38:56] | mzb: | now I can't get my (testing) frontend to work |
| [07:39:44] | justinh: | Iolaus: at best it's probably just something that nobody's bothered putting in the code yet, and flipping over something will just make it work. |
| [07:39:50] | Iolaus: | justinh: not yet. This ticket (http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2287) for mythtv-vid seems to indicate that Lanczos scaling was one of their goals but I'm not sure of the status. |
| [07:40:17] | Iolaus: | justinh: that would be awesome, I should be so lucky :) |
| [07:40:22] | mzb: | strangely enough, when I run /usr/local/bin/mythbackend --version |
| [07:40:22] | mzb: | on different machines, I get: |
| [07:40:27] | mzb: | Source code version : 15336M |
| [07:40:30] | mzb: | (for most of them) |
| [07:40:32] | mzb: | but |
| [07:40:42] | mzb: | Source code version : Unknown |
| [07:40:46] | mzb: | on the MBE |
| [07:40:51] | mzb: | weird or what? |
| [07:42:37] | mzb: | I started checking because the top error preceeded: 2008-01–06 18:37:33.973 Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION: |
| [07:43:36] | mzb: | restart (etc) has fixed it but seems odd |
| [07:43:58] | mzb: | unable to delete "noname" radio recordings .... bit buggy there |
| [07:45:21] | mzb: | crashes the MBE just poking at them in Recordings Menu |
| [07:45:30] | justinh: | Iolaus: lanczos might be farther off than I thought. still worth asking on the -dev list if anybody knows what needs to be done to make it work |
| [07:45:41] | mzb: | well ... not completely ... but enough to stop most things from working |
| [07:46:26] | Iolaus: | justinh: thanks, I'll do that |
| [07:47:28] | justinh: | Iolaus: the internal player isn't mplayer as such but is very much like it to all intents & purposes AFAIK. might be quite simple to actually implement it |
| [07:47:57] | justinh: | if I was more of a coder I'd probably be able to say for sure and maybe even do it, but I'm not ;) |
| [07:48:38] | justinh: | one thing is for sure – there's certainly no way right now to enable lanczos in postprocessing |
| [07:49:09] | Iolaus: | interesting, hopefully someone can shed a bit more light on the current status in the dev mailing list |
| [07:49:16] | justinh: | ... not that it even looks like postprocessing is the place to do it |
| [07:49:51] | justinh: | ah.. just thought of another tack |
| [07:50:10] | Iolaus: | the lack of it so far is probably just a product of very few people that use myth upscaling to HD resolutions |
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| [07:50:22] | Iolaus: | that is really where the scaling method chosen starts to be pretty visible |
| [07:51:10] | Iolaus: | hmmm... it seems if I switch mplayer to xv output instead of gl I can get away with vblank_mode 3 in DRI and it eliminates a good deal of the tearing I was experiencing |
| [07:51:29] | Iolaus: | I wonder why it has such a fit when I user vblank_mode=3 with gl |
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| [07:54:34] | justinh: | no bugreports about mythappearance yet, anyway :) |
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| [07:57:37] | Iolaus: | question about lanczos sent to myth-dev. Hopefully, someone will have some info :) |
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| [08:05:41] | mzb: | justinh: am I looking for any? ;) |
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| [08:10:36] | Tanthrix: | Beautiful – firefox is using 260 megs of ram after being open for just a few days. Yay for bloated software! |
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| [08:14:36] | iamlindoro_: | Jeez, can't keep up with all these commits! Feel like I just svn up'ed two days ago... |
| [08:15:09] | Iolaus: | Off to bed gentlemen. Catch you all later. |
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| [08:20:16] | peque: | Is there someone that can help me a bit. Having problems with xmltv Рand grabbing from a 2.source. Normally I have TV2.dk (standard) grabber Рbut have also a satelite connected to my Mythtv Рs̴ needing some extra EPG from ahot.dk to get the EPG for the satelite channels |
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| [08:21:48] | peque: | I have configured as described and can see the the grabber put's the output into the file – But when I run mythfilldatabase --file 2 -1 out.xml – it's replacing all ID's and nothing comes into mythTV |
| [08:25:17] | peque: | allthough it seems that some of the ID from the source are comming into the system, since some off the channels EPG are there, but missing allmost half of the channels |
| [08:29:11] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: yeah tell me about it. anybody'd think that there was some kind of push or something |
| [08:29:46] | iamlindoro_: | Well, looking at the commit log, I guess it was six days, but still, lots of action of late |
| [08:30:00] | Hoxzer: | "make uninstall" doens't remove database entries right ? |
| [08:30:04] | justinh: | right |
| [08:30:07] | iamlindoro_: | nope |
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| [08:31:48] | DarK: | Im having troubles watching tv. I used a grabber to add channel information and after settings the correct channel frequency in the channel editor, I can see what show is running on what tv station. After clicking "watching tv" it falls back to mythtv after 2 secs though. Any ideas? |
| [08:32:41] | iamlindoro_: | DarK: You'll need to post logs for anyone to diagnose that |
| [08:33:07] | iamlindoro_: | backend log in particular, but possibly both |
| [08:33:31] | DarK: | from the frp,t |
| [08:33:36] | DarK: | frontend.log: |
| [08:33:38] | DarK: | 2008-01–06 09:28:34.785 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started |
| [08:33:38] | DarK: | 2008-01–06 09:28:34.803 TV: Deleting TV Chain in destructor |
| [08:33:38] | DarK: | 2008-01–06 09:28:34.807 DPMS Deactivated |
| [08:33:41] | iamlindoro_: | whoah |
| [08:33:43] | iamlindoro_: | no |
| [08:33:43] | iamlindoro_: | no |
| [08:33:46] | iamlindoro_: | not here |
| [08:33:53] | iamlindoro_: | pastebin.ca |
| [08:34:21] | DarK: | oh okay sorry :) |
| [08:35:32] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, doesn't look like frontend is the culprit, info is probably in the backend log |
| [08:35:50] | DarK: | oh oops, I fixed it already! |
| [08:36:09] | iamlindoro_: | Aaaaand my work here is done ;) |
| [08:36:19] | DarK: | I changed my recording dir to a dir on a seperate partition, but it seems the permissions of the directory werent set correctly yet |
| [08:36:28] | DarK: | but thanks for the info on the log file! |
| [08:36:29] | iamlindoro_: | That'd do it |
| [08:36:33] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [08:37:09] | DarK: | im quite new to mythtv, just bought new hardware 3 days ago and still learning everything...but so far I like it a lot |
| [08:44:44] | mrplow-: | hi, I'm trying the get the weather grabber from environment canada, there is a completed ticket on the subject http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3811 |
| [08:45:15] | mrplow-: | do I just grab the attachments or is there an easier way since the ticked is closed? |
| [08:46:18] | iamlindoro_: | Seems to indicate that it should be in SVN as of 14441, which is a long time ago |
| [08:46:30] | iamlindoro_: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14441 |
| [08:46:41] | iamlindoro_: | mythplugins/mythweather/mythweather/scripts/envcan_animaps.pl |
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| [08:48:02] | mrplow-: | thanks, lindoro |
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| [08:48:10] | iamlindoro_: | np |
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| [08:52:07] | mzb_d800: | I've just upgraded my old multirec to today ... anybody got any ideas why lirc doesn't work (as it did?) |
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| [08:52:55] | mzb_d800: | irw still shows correct events, all my scripts seem to be starting normally ... but no events in myth (doesn't connect as client to lircd afaict) |
| [08:52:59] | mrplow-: | lindora is this a good place to grab the files I need? http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythplugins/m . . . her/scripts/ |
| [08:54:26] | iamlindoro_: | mrplow-: SVN files, in general, should only be used as part of a full checkout... what revision are you running? |
| [08:55:09] | iamlindoro_: | that said, so long as you are running a sufficiently recent version, it's probably possible to use those particular files |
| [08:56:35] | mzb_d800: | _if_ it worked in the first place ;) |
| [08:56:55] | iamlindoro_: | It's probable/possible that these are only usable with the mythweather revamp |
| [08:57:09] | iamlindoro_: | so if you aren't at least running that, you're likely out of luck |
| [08:58:22] | iamlindoro_: | mzb_d800: only guess would be that you somehow got --disable-lirc'd |
| [08:58:40] | mzb_d800: | nope, checked that |
| [08:58:49] | mzb_d800: | next? :) |
| [08:59:03] | iamlindoro_: | What does frontend log show at startup? |
| [08:59:28] | mzb_d800: | 2007-11–04 15:04:19.928 lirc init success using configuration file: /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [08:59:38] | mzb_d800: | oops |
| [08:59:38] | mrplow-: | just a sec sorry |
| [08:59:39] | mzb_d800: | ol |
| [08:59:42] | mzb_d800: | old |
| [09:00:04] | iamlindoro_: | heh, 11–04 ;) |
| [09:00:18] | mzb_d800: | no lirc init messages |
| [09:00:29] | iamlindoro_: | suspicious indeed |
| [09:02:42] | mrplow-: | Library API version : 0.20.20070821–1 |
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| [09:02:47] | mrplow-: | Source code version : 15096 |
| [09:02:48] | mrplow-: | SVN Branch : branches/release-0-20-fixes |
| [09:03:03] | mrplow-: | mythbuntu |
| [09:03:13] | mzb_d800: | can't see any obvious problems with build logs |
| [09:03:31] | iamlindoro_: | mrplow-: In that case, you should check out whatever files you want from that particular revision (15096). |
| [09:03:41] | mzb_d800: | lirc=yes |
| [09:03:48] | mrplow-: | ok thanks, I'll give it a shot |
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| [09:06:27] | mzb_d800: | I can't remember how I debugged all this when I set it up ... so apart from irw I've got no idea atm |
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| [09:31:15] | mzb: | 2008-01–06 20:19:40.590 MythSocket(ad808f20:12): readStringList: Error, timeout. |
| [09:35:48] | mzb: | I'm starting to think I might need to masq the ports instead of forwarding them |
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| [09:40:32] | mrplow-: | bah I can't figure out the weather script |
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| [09:44:14] | clever: | damnit that setting was useless |
| [09:49:08] | clever: | 2008-01–06 05:48:10.551 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times. |
| [09:49:08] | clever: | 2008-01–06 05:48:11.298 RingBuf(myth://192.168.1.60:6543/1008_20080106033400.mpg) Error: RingBuffer::safe_read(RemoteFile* ...): read failed |
| [09:49:16] | clever: | how do i stop that timeout from happening so often? |
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| [10:04:27] | Tanthrix: | clever: Abandon all hope, ye who recieve the NVP prebuffer error. |
| [10:04:56] | clever: | Tanthrix: the root cause of it is a bug in my wifi drivers |
| [10:05:09] | clever: | causing the link to get droped randomly then recover 10–20 seconds later |
| [10:05:36] | clever: | then the frontend times out on reading and gives up causing it to go back to the recording list |
| [10:05:46] | clever: | then it takes 20mins of seeking to get back to where i was |
| [10:07:53] | Tanthrix: | Abandom all hope, ye who foolishly choose to use wireless? ;) |
| [10:08:25] | clever: | the ethernet cord is 6 inches too short to reach my bed:P |
| [10:08:46] | clever: | if i move the laptop to the other side and put it right on the edge and stretch the cord it will reach |
| [10:09:10] | Tanthrix: | clever: Even you, in your laziness induced fit of poverty, should be able to afford a Cat-5e cable. |
| [10:09:21] | clever: | lol |
| [10:09:25] | Tanthrix: | hehe |
| [10:09:29] | clever: | yes i do have longer cables:P |
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| [10:09:39] | clever: | but the problem is when i want to move the laptop to another room |
| [10:09:57] | clever: | the wifi can play SD just fine when the link is stable |
| [10:10:11] | Tanthrix: | Maybe get a different wifi card? Move your AP/router up higher? |
| [10:10:29] | clever: | its not the ap |
| [10:10:37] | clever: | it never did this with the ubuntu 6.06 kernel |
| [10:10:41] | Tanthrix: | I see. |
| [10:10:54] | clever: | every time the link dies i get an error in dmesg and the link light goes out |
| [10:11:11] | clever: | and all packets cease to transmit for several seconds |
| [10:11:29] | clever: | ive read the module source and it looks roughtly like a timeout error |
| [10:12:14] | clever: | if the timeout within mythtv was longer then the reconnect time of the wifi it would be more bearable |
| [10:13:16] | clever: | a larger buffer would also help |
| [10:13:41] | clever: | with mplayer i can run the recordings outside of myth with bit -cache and not even notice the 20 second outages |
| [10:13:56] | clever: | but the entire mythtv ui locks up the instant an outage starts:P |
| [10:14:26] | clever: | and often it plays for several seconds AFTER a 'read failed' error(but only once the link recovers) |
| [10:14:45] | MilhousePunkRock: | Woohoo, my first post finally made it to the mailing list. After some confusion, stupid GMail in Germany... |
| [10:14:46] | clever: | so it does seem to have several seconds of buffer but playback cant proceed without a network link |
| [10:18:21] | clever: | got a more detailed list of what happens durring the fail |
| [10:18:29] | clever: | from -v |
| [10:19:18] | clever: | Tanthrix: http://pastebin.ca/843660 |
| [10:19:51] | clever: | Tanthrix: on lines 1–9 you can see the same 3 line patern working its way out |
| [10:19:59] | clever: | as the frontend reads blocks of the video |
| [10:20:10] | Tanthrix: | clever: I seem to recall a ringbuffer setting that you can increase |
| [10:20:25] | clever: | then at 10 18 and 19 you can see the same 3 lines again |
| [10:20:40] | clever: | yet 20 is an error |
| [10:20:46] | clever: | it has a timeout error after reading data without a problem!!!?!?! |
| [10:21:06] | clever: | Tanthrix: but which setting and where...? |
| [10:21:37] | Tanthrix: | clever: Well, there is one called "HD Ringbuffer size" under general, but that seems to suggest that it's HD only |
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| [10:22:20] | clever: | yeah sounds like its hd based |
| [10:22:32] | blkorpheus: | I haave SD , I get listings, but no channel names |
| [10:22:33] | clever: | and im guessing that might just be the ring buffer for recording |
| [10:22:48] | clever: | feed hd data into a ring buffer of size x with 1 thrad |
| [10:22:50] | blkorpheus: | except one pbs name |
| [10:22:56] | blkorpheus: | and zaptoit |
| [10:22:57] | clever: | then have a 2nd thread writing that to disk |
| [10:23:08] | blkorpheus: | the rest say adding channel? |
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| [10:23:55] | blkorpheus: | is there an issue google has yet to reveal to me? |
| [10:24:06] | blkorpheus: | a bug of somekind? |
| [10:24:26] | blkorpheus: | i'd liketo know before I pay the $20 |
| [10:25:04] | clever: | you can use SD for free for i think 7 days |
| [10:25:12] | Tanthrix: | I think he gets that. |
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| [10:31:24] | blkorpheus: | yeah, thats how I know I'm not getting channel names |
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| [10:32:04] | Tanthrix: | blkorpheus: Maybe try switching line ups then running mythfrontend --do-channel-updates just to see if it's something SD related? |
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| [10:37:32] | DarK: | hey all, I have another question. I have the same problem as mentioned here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-568901.html any ideas? |
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| [10:57:39] | johann: | hello |
| [10:59:08] | johann: | I'm setting up my box with mythtv and just installed wine wich depends on freefonts and corefonts, now myth* shows the fonts too big. Any idea? Thx |
| [11:01:01] | johann: | I've tried removing all database and install over again and too with .mythtv user config |
| [11:01:20] | justinh: | johann: that's never going to affect the font size! |
| [11:01:32] | justinh: | make sure X is running at 100DPI |
| [11:02:28] | mzb_d800: | install msttcorefonts |
| [11:02:28] | jduggan: | justinh: dont suppose you know where i can find the di4000 ir codes for lircd.conf? googled for hours and cant find |
| [11:02:59] | justinh: | jduggan: I learned mine with irrecord & my homebrew serial port receiver |
| [11:03:06] | justinh: | dunno if I still have em anywhere |
| [11:03:55] | jduggan: | ah – im using the pvr150 – do i need specific codes? |
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| [11:04:41] | justinh: | jduggan: AFAIK you need to tell it which code SET to use – and you find that by a process of elimination. there's a script somewhere |
| [11:05:32] | jduggan: | hmm ok, i'll search for the script |
| [11:05:38] | justinh: | but look what I found: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/pace/DI4001N |
| [11:05:45] | justinh: | lirc codes! |
| [11:05:51] | justinh: | google is my friend |
| [11:06:03] | jduggan: | wtf |
| [11:06:06] | justinh: | not that they're any good to you |
| [11:06:20] | justinh: | and if in doubt always look in lirc.org/remotes :P |
| [11:06:31] | jduggan: | search for di4000 on google i get two pages and none link to sourceforge |
| [11:06:45] | jduggan: | why is that no good, beause its N ? |
| [11:07:07] | justinh: | no because it's codes, not a CODE SET |
| [11:07:22] | justinh: | the micro in the Hauppauge IR blaster can only send codes it knows |
| [11:07:32] | jduggan: | ah |
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| [11:09:31] | justinh: | http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24 |
| [11:09:55] | justinh: | and http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/IRcodesets.html |
| [11:10:01] | justinh: | your google-fu is weak :P |
| [11:11:11] | justinh: | I think maybe the tricky part will be working out which buttons are which codes though |
| [11:11:52] | jduggan: | i only need 0 – 9 |
| [11:11:55] | jduggan: | :) |
| [11:12:30] | justinh: | oh what fun – the MCE version is different |
| [11:12:46] | justinh: | well I spose it would be, in that it's the MS MCE remote |
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| [11:15:39] | jduggan: | hmm |
| [11:15:51] | jduggan: | mythbuntu wont let you apt-get remove lirc to install that |
| [11:15:53] | jduggan: | how messy |
| [11:17:04] | justinh: | jduggan: ask in #mythbuntu for mythbuntu specifics. I should imagine the ir blaster is already included |
| [11:17:32] | justinh: | jduggan: is your IR receiver/blaster the MCE one or Hauppauge? |
| [11:17:39] | ** willcooke thinks h ** | |
| [11:17:53] | jduggan: | hauppauge i think |
| [11:18:01] | justinh: | jduggan: you THINK? |
| [11:18:22] | justinh: | does it have 'hauppauge' on the remote or a button with the windows logo on it? ;) |
| [11:18:35] | jduggan: | oh, its hauppauge for sure |
| [11:18:58] | justinh: | I was gonna say if it's the MCE one you can just specify codes in lircd.conf & it should work AFAIK |
| [11:20:33] | jduggan: | the reason i assumed that mythbuntu doesnt support that irblaster is that docs say i need haup-ir-blaster.bin and my firmware dir doesnt have such a file |
| [11:20:59] | justinh: | is there anything mythbuntu _does_ do? |
| [11:21:17] | jduggan: | hehe |
| [11:21:46] | jduggan: | oh by the way |
| [11:21:52] | jduggan: | which intel driver are you using? |
| [11:22:26] | jduggan: | i remember you saying you had to hack it, what did the hack do? my one frontend is having problems playing the recordings/livetv |
| [11:22:48] | justinh: | had to hack it for tv out to work without flickering |
| [11:24:29] | jduggan: | X Error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) 11 |
| [11:24:36] | jduggan: | im getting that |
| [11:25:14] | willcooke: | I think the latest SVN broke dvb-s |
| [11:25:21] | willcooke: | anyone else seeing that? |
| [11:25:22] | jduggan: | its definitly a driver/card issue, ive worked around it short term by putting in an nvidia pci and its fine, but thats only while im setting up, need to use the intel :( |
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| [11:30:49] | justinh: | jduggan: there's another hack for openglvsync |
| [11:30:59] | justinh: | got it somewhere |
| [11:31:40] | jduggan: | lircd-0.8.2[10736]: hardware does not support sending |
| [11:31:45] | jduggan: | mythbuntu fails |
| [11:31:46] | justinh: | damn. didn't keep the patch. did it by hand |
| [11:31:46] | jduggan: | :( |
| [11:31:56] | justinh: | jduggan: remove lirc & build it yourself then |
| [11:32:05] | justinh: | or install knoppmyth :P |
| [11:32:27] | jduggan: | yea, but removing lirc in mythbuntu has dependencies, it tries taking myfrontend with it |
| [11:32:34] | jduggan: | :P |
| [11:32:39] | jduggan: | but im sure i can work around that |
| [11:37:19] | justinh: | lirc is a dependency of mythfrontend? :-O |
| [11:38:10] | justinh: | myth should work fine without lirc installed |
| [11:38:58] | justinh: | jduggan: maybe an ubuntu bod could tell you a way to keep mythfrontend & still use your own version of lirc |
| [11:40:31] | willcooke: | justinh, are you using radio times data? If so, where has tv_grab_uk_rt gone? |
| [11:41:52] | justinh: | yeah I use uk_rt |
| [11:41:59] | justinh: | what do you mean where has it gone? |
| [11:42:27] | justinh: | hasn't changed its name or anything |
| [11:43:00] | willcooke: | hmm – then I'm doing something wrong.... I' |
| [11:43:02] | willcooke: | ll check |
| [11:44:17] | justinh: | we're gonna be starting training Rory soon. still needs to improve his behaviour outside. 30 quid an hour though.. pfft |
| [11:44:36] | willcooke: | :( |
| [11:45:08] | willcooke: | hmm – in video source set up I get EIT, schedules direct, or nothing. I wonder if xml tv is missing |
| [11:45:38] | willcooke: | 2008-01–06 11:44:01.273 Failed to run tv_find_grabbers |
| [11:45:41] | willcooke: | hmmm |
| [11:45:51] | justinh: | sounds like xmltv is missing |
| [11:47:21] | willcooke: | Taadaaa! |
| [11:47:25] | willcooke: | Cheers! |
| [11:49:12] | willcooke: | god – i'd forgotten about the list of channels..... |
| [11:49:33] | justinh: | I need to get cracking on my wizard again ASAP |
| [11:49:55] | willcooke: | that'll be a massive task |
| [11:50:06] | justinh: | not really |
| [11:50:11] | justinh: | most of the data is in place |
| [11:50:47] | justinh: | might even write some real code to do it :) |
| [11:50:56] | rooaus: | jduggan: Check that mythfrontend is not a virtual package, if it is then removing it won't hurt as nothing will actually get removed. |
| [11:51:05] | willcooke: | Nice one! |
| [11:51:16] | willcooke: | Hey – I was thinking, what about a UK MythCon |
| [11:51:23] | justinh: | willcooke: I could turn over to 'the dark side' at any minute |
| [11:51:42] | willcooke: | justinh, join a different channel you mean! |
| [11:56:49] | justinh: | no I mean start doing more coding in preference to drawing pretty pictures with crayons |
| [11:57:16] | willcooke: | :) |
| [11:57:26] | justinh: | code is way more rewarding to me |
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| [11:57:31] | willcooke: | awh crap – don't type "on" instead of "no" in the RT grabber |
| [11:58:05] | justinh: | I much prefer the old config method. I dunno why it changed |
| [11:58:13] | willcooke: | justinh, good work. I've got something I'd like to do in the code, but I don't think I'll ever understand C++ |
| [11:59:31] | justinh: | there was one point not long after I started mythappearance when I thought I'd never 'get' it |
| [12:00:13] | justinh: | you can get away with not knowing very much. I mean – look at what I did |
| [12:00:36] | justinh: | not the greatest, most efficient code ever written but it does a job |
| [12:00:50] | willcooke: | :) I think it's great – it would have saved me a lot of time |
| [12:01:21] | justinh: | doesn't work the way I'd really like it to, but that's beyond my current knowledge |
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| [12:02:21] | justinh: | ideally it'd only give you the option to save or reset the settings when you press ESC. I tried that but I think part of the code which handles ESC had destroyed some of my plugin by that point |
| [12:03:18] | justinh: | in some ways though I think the user having to make a really positive effort to save or reset the settings has put them out of harm's way to some extent |
| [12:03:42] | justinh: | maybe a better case after all :) |
| [12:03:42] | willcooke: | yeah – I agree |
| [12:03:49] | willcooke: | :) |
| [12:04:20] | justinh: | and this is me – the guy I never thought I'd see the day I wrote anything in an OO language |
| [12:04:29] | willcooke: | :) |
| [12:05:02] | justinh: | so this has put me even more firmly into the 'have a go' advocacy stance :P |
| [12:05:45] | justinh: | regarding a mythcon – Daviey is talking about one in Feb but is yet to come up with a venue |
| [12:06:07] | willcooke: | ahh cool – I'kk keep my ears open. |
| [12:06:21] | willcooke: | How many people do you think you'd need to accomodate? 100? |
| [12:06:24] | justinh: | I think some LUGs are gonna have to be involved if it's ever going to happen |
| [12:06:34] | justinh: | it's probably too late now anyway |
| [12:06:47] | willcooke: | for feb perhaps – but why not in the summer |
| [12:07:00] | justinh: | do it the same weekend as LRL :P |
| [12:07:05] | willcooke: | :D |
| [12:07:07] | willcooke: | FTW |
| [12:07:28] | justinh: | uhhh do I HAVE to go to ducking wolverhampton again? |
| [12:07:54] | benben: | grim |
| [12:08:09] | justinh: | less grim than London |
| [12:08:28] | benben: | heh |
| [12:08:29] | willcooke: | I think it should be at a beer festival somewhere |
| [12:08:29] | justinh: | hmmm MMC has a nice ring to it. Manchester MythTV Conference |
| [12:08:33] | benben: | i like london :) |
| [12:08:42] | justinh: | london is a shithole |
| [12:08:47] | willcooke: | another vote for london here \O/ |
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| [12:09:09] | willcooke: | :) |
| [12:09:10] | benben: | ah, you're near salford? |
| [12:09:18] | justinh: | looks like there's no linuxworld expo in the UK this year |
| [12:09:25] | justinh: | benben: nope |
| [12:09:28] | justinh: | manchester |
| [12:09:54] | justinh: | salford is where the cable modem headend is AFAIK |
| [12:10:20] | justinh: | salford is the other side of manchester from where I live |
| [12:10:36] | benben: | =) |
| [12:11:43] | justinh: | willcooke: I know one thing about putting on a 'do'. we can't use leisure centres or any other civic building without jumping through massive hoops like PLI, electrical testing etc |
| [12:12:05] | willcooke: | Oh poo. good point |
| [12:12:08] | justinh: | and a whole host of other places |
| [12:12:20] | justinh: | I dunno how LRL get away with it |
| [12:12:34] | willcooke: | ignorance is bliss |
| [12:13:42] | justinh: | heh although linuxworldexpo.co.uk is down, oct 1 2008 is tabled as LWE 2008 UK |
| [12:15:05] | justinh: | or maybe we could all just ship out to linuxtag in May instead |
| [12:15:26] | willcooke: | plan! |
| [12:15:29] | justinh: | probably cheaper for me to get there |
| [12:15:39] | willcooke: | can you fly? |
| [12:17:03] | justinh: | less than £80 return to Berlin from Liverpool. lol that's less than I paid to go to London by train last time |
| [12:19:34] | justinh: | hmmm if only I could remember the flight planner featured on Click a while back |
| [12:20:13] | willcooke: | thats cheap |
| [12:20:41] | willcooke: | right – off to the woods while myth re-compiles and the filldatabase runs for the first time... bbl |
| [12:28:34] | Daviey: | justinh: http://flightchecker.moneysavingexpert.com/ |
| [12:28:40] | Daviey: | ? |
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| [12:37:20] | justinh: | Daviey: don't think that was it but that'll do |
| [12:37:44] | Daviey: | justinh: I'm interested in helping btw |
| [12:39:21] | justinh: | found cheaper prices on easyjet. heh |
| [12:39:43] | justinh: | Daviey: does anybody have any venues in mind? |
| [12:40:53] | justinh: | tbh I can't see that many people being interested. UK users seem to be very lackadaisical in general |
| [12:41:18] | Daviey: | cesman did want to organise a mythtv worldwide install fest (ie US and UK) – but venues are the problem |
| [12:41:19] | justinh: | developers & active community members.. you can probably could them on 3 hands |
| [12:41:47] | Daviey: | was hopeing on getting a uni big room, but they'll charge as much as a commercial one! |
| [12:42:20] | justinh: | chicken & egg scenario |
| [12:42:40] | justinh: | can't look into booking somewhere without having a clue about numbers |
| [12:42:54] | justinh: | plenty hotels have conference facilities |
| [12:43:28] | Daviey: | exactly... but i don't know about you – but i don't fancy making a dent in my wallet |
| [12:43:36] | justinh: | but there's the inconvenience of loads of people turning up with boxes, monitors etc |
| [12:43:40] | Daviey: | So need partical confirmation before booking! |
| [12:44:12] | justinh: | I think to expect even a hundred people to turn up would be more than optimistic |
| [12:44:25] | justinh: | maybe 30 at a push on the first |
| [12:44:26] | Daviey: | well i thought a uni could be really good – already set up with power outlets and monitors – just need to rm' their pc's from the labs |
| [12:44:47] | Daviey: | and more importiantly... networking! |
| [12:44:49] | justinh: | of course then if more turn up than can be coped with it's great publicity |
| [12:45:05] | justinh: | Daviey: no uni worth its salt is gonna let any tom or dick plug in |
| [12:45:13] | justinh: | nor any company |
| [12:45:23] | Daviey: | but.. we have an insider at brighton uni |
| [12:45:35] | Daviey: | and i ad oxford IIRC |
| [12:45:39] | Daviey: | at* |
| [12:45:46] | justinh: | and it's bloody short notice for Feb now |
| [12:45:52] | Daviey: | Yes |
| [12:45:58] | Daviey: | still > 1 month tho – could be done |
| [12:46:08] | justinh: | I'd say too short. I wouldn't be able to get a cheap enough room |
| [12:46:19] | Daviey: | End of feb is FOSDEM which i am going to |
| [12:47:20] | Daviey: | I need to dash.. decorating the house :( ... i'll be back in a few hrs |
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| [13:23:12] | jduggan: | ALSA:hw::1,1 does that look right for audio output device? I'm not getting sound in mythfrontend, but sound works fine in other apps |
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| [13:29:19] | the-FoX: | hello |
| [13:29:55] | the-FoX: | i am just looking for a little java applet which allows me to remote control my mythfrontend. does there exists such an application? |
| [13:32:50] | visit0r: | you can do that in mythweb |
| [13:33:00] | visit0r: | not a java applet though, but who uses them anymore anyways? |
| [13:35:28] | the-FoX: | visit0r: where in mythWeb do i find this feature? |
| [13:39:31] | visit0r: | good, question, can't recall, but I saw it somewhere sometimes... a form to control the access the "telnet control" server of mythfrontend |
| [13:40:04] | the-FoX: | i just found: http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/?page_id=2 so i'll try it out |
| [13:40:09] | the-FoX: | thanks so far |
| [13:44:58] | visit0r: | hmm cannot find it anywhere, maybe I have dreamt the control inteface |
| [13:45:52] | benben: | i think it may exist in an svn version? |
| [13:45:59] | visit0r: | ah found it |
| [13:46:05] | visit0r: | mythweb/remote/keys |
| [13:46:21] | visit0r: | benben: yep, dunno what is in 0.20 ATM, been using trunk for a while |
| [13:47:37] | the-FoX: | remote doesn't exists inmy version |
| [13:47:59] | visit0r: | you are using 0.20? ok, it's a new feature then.. |
| [13:49:26] | justinh: | it is :) |
| [13:54:48] | jduggan: | hmm, i cant get my tv looking 100%, im using bob to deinterlace, but around txt and borders with intense colour changes there's strange artifacts especially round borders etc, are there any extra options i can try? |
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| [14:05:29] | Agiboo: | good day |
| [14:05:49] | Agiboo: | i have a problem concerning MythDVD |
| [14:07:00] | Agiboo: | There seems to be a conflict between live tv and mythDVD... Tv works well, and so does DVD, but as soon as I switch from MythDVD to Live tv i get a green noise on my screen |
| [14:07:13] | Agiboo: | and if i try to go back to dvd again, it's still green... |
| [14:07:23] | Agiboo: | i guess it's a driver conflict of some kind |
| [14:08:24] | justinh: | no such thing on linux |
| [14:08:50] | justinh: | maybe whatever program you're using to play dvds is screwing up your display |
| [14:09:04] | Agiboo: | it's xine |
| [14:09:04] | Floppe: | or overheating the GPU |
| [14:09:25] | Agiboo: | i don't think that's the case, cus restarting the box makes it all work again |
| [14:09:26] | justinh: | I use the Internal player for all files now |
| [14:10:24] | Agiboo: | uhu, well, the internal player doesn't seem to play any dvd correctly (menus don't work, bad resolution & framerate) |
| [14:11:11] | visit0r: | trunk version works very well |
| [14:11:21] | Agiboo: | but that might be because i didn't set up the internal player correctly |
| [14:11:31] | Agiboo: | i used the Mythbuntu |
| [14:11:39] | justinh: | menus work fine here |
| [14:11:47] | Agiboo: | uhu |
| [14:11:51] | justinh: | everything worksforme (tm) |
| [14:12:08] | Agiboo: | :-D |
| [14:12:24] | Agiboo: | i wish i had a trademark like that myself |
| [14:13:10] | Agiboo: | is there a way to configure the internal player? |
| [14:13:12] | rooaus: | Agiboo: So do micro$oft |
| [14:13:22] | Agiboo: | :-) |
| [14:14:01] | justinh: | Agiboo: for DVD playback the Internal player uses the same settings as for tv playback |
| [14:14:16] | Agiboo: | hmm, i'll look into that |
| [14:15:08] | Agiboo: | all i have to do is reset the startup command for mythDVD to "Internal" again, right? |
| [14:16:05] | justinh: | aye |
| [14:17:28] | Agiboo: | There's a VLC dialog after the one where u fill in "Internal", what's that for? |
| [14:17:45] | justinh: | what?! |
| [14:18:05] | justinh: | that's the field where you tell it what to use to play VCDs. whatever they are |
| [14:18:29] | Agiboo: | vcd* sorry, ah, okay |
| [14:18:31] | ** justinh votes to remove VCD support ** | |
| [14:19:23] | Agiboo: | Thanks for the help guys |
| [14:22:26] | anykey_: | justinh: doesn't the internal player handle vcds just as well? |
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| [14:45:33] | justinh: | anykey_: no idea. what are VCDs anyway? apart from totally pointless I mean |
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| [14:47:10] | jamesd_: | justinh, they hold more than an hour of video... on a cd so not a total waste. |
| [14:47:21] | justinh: | in mpeg1. eew |
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| [15:10:24] | neopsyche: | How do i add myself as a myth tv user/ |
| [15:10:25] | neopsyche: | ?? |
| [15:11:15] | frahi: | which distribution do you use? |
| [15:11:49] | frahi: | sudo adduser neopsyche mythtv |
| [15:12:19] | neopsyche: | the group mythtv does not exist |
| [15:12:20] | neopsyche: | ? |
| [15:12:50] | frahi: | the group should be created at the mythtv installation |
| [15:16:42] | neopsyche: | when starting myth tv it asks if mythtv group should be created, upon selecting OK it says i need to restart session.. but upon restaret .. it doesnt seem to make any differnece |
| [15:16:43] | anykey_: | justinh: what I meant: do they need to be played in some special way, or why is there an extra menu item? |
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| [15:17:26] | stuarta: | can't help some people |
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| [15:20:37] | jduggan: | hmm |
| [15:21:12] | jduggan: | what are my options for a homebrew ir blaster, considerin mine frontend mobo (and indeed most new mobos) doesnt have a serial port? |
| [15:21:35] | benben: | xbox? :) |
| [15:21:57] | benben: | probably cost the same as buying a new motherboard |
| [15:23:15] | jduggan: | mobos dont ship with com ports, i dont want to buy an xbox just to send ir signals to my stb heh |
| [15:23:34] | benben: | :) |
| [15:23:45] | benben: | i'm going to use my xbox downstairs for a frontend |
| [15:28:03] | stuarta: | usb receiver? |
| [15:28:20] | stuarta: | senders are around too |
| [15:32:49] | jduggan: | god my tv is so shite, its a widescreen 720p toshiba, yet the vga input is 4:3 stretched resolution |
| [15:33:04] | jduggan: | makes the menus shitty |
| [15:34:16] | jduggan: | if i use a dvi->hdmi cable i can run at its native 1280*720, right? |
| [15:34:23] | stuarta: | depends on the tv |
| [15:34:33] | stuarta: | mines a bit like that. offers better res on the hdmi |
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| [15:35:49] | neopsyche: | Hi, how do i create a myth tv user group? |
| [15:37:39] | jduggan: | groupadd |
| [15:42:20] | neopsyche: | i have just installed myth tv |
| [15:42:35] | neopsyche: | it keeps asking me if i want to be automatically added to the mythtv user group |
| [15:42:52] | neopsyche: | every time i try to open backend or frontend from applications menu or systems menu |
| [15:42:57] | neopsyche: | on ubuntu |
| [15:43:09] | neopsyche: | when i select yes.. it just asks me again after restare |
| [15:43:24] | neopsyche: | *restart |
| [15:44:00] | jduggan: | "grep mythtv /etc/groups" return a line? |
| [15:49:52] | neopsyche: | no such file or dir |
| [15:49:59] | neopsyche: | jduggen |
| [15:50:35] | jduggan: | take the s off the end of groups |
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| [15:52:28] | clever: | jduggan: my irc client has filename tab completetion |
| [15:53:22] | clever: | jduggan: so i can type out /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies with little work:P |
| [15:53:44] | jduggan: | ah |
| [15:53:48] | jduggan: | what client is that? |
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| [15:53:50] | clever: | irssi |
| [15:53:53] | jduggan: | ah |
| [15:54:13] | clever: | the main problem with the filename tab completion is i cant get a ls outout from /paht/<tab> |
| [15:54:33] | clever: | and its a bit diff from bash |
| [15:54:43] | jduggan: | im using irssi, but im ssh'd to a screen session on a box locked down tight as hell with grsec/pax/rbacs |
| [15:54:45] | clever: | it cycles thru the posible names instead of showing a list of posibilitys |
| [15:55:05] | clever: | try typing /et<tab>gro<tab> |
| [15:56:15] | jduggan: | /etc is hidden |
| [15:56:45] | clever: | ah |
| [15:56:48] | jduggan: | jduggan@sigkill ~ $ ls / |
| [15:56:49] | jduggan: | ls: cannot access /: No such file or directory |
| [15:56:53] | jduggan: | see ;] |
| [15:56:54] | clever: | lol |
| [15:57:05] | clever: | that would break so much id think:P |
| [15:57:09] | jduggan: | it does |
| [15:57:13] | jduggan: | takes alot of configuring |
| [15:57:13] | clever: | lol! |
| [15:57:21] | Toxicity999: | apparmor > * |
| [15:57:23] | jduggan: | its kernel level protection |
| [15:57:33] | clever: | id just chmod / -r |
| [15:57:41] | jduggan: | took weeks to get a nice policy |
| [15:57:44] | Toxicity999: | just lock down bash instead of *actually* locking out folders |
| [15:58:05] | jduggan: | Toxicity999: uhm, no |
| [15:58:05] | jduggan: | heh |
| [15:58:08] | clever: | scp /bin/sh me@sigkill:/tmp/fakebash |
| [15:58:16] | clever: | i broke the security! |
| [15:58:43] | Toxicity999: | Okay sure, if you have root access to a box, you sure could... have root access to the box? |
| [15:58:51] | Toxicity999: | Done right apparmor is fine for jailbashing. |
| [15:58:51] | jduggan: | Toxicity999: ok, check this |
| [15:58:54] | clever: | locking a single program wont realy do much good |
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| [15:59:31] | jduggan: | sigkill jduggan # id |
| [15:59:31] | jduggan: | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),1(bin),2(daemon),3(sys),4(adm),6(disk),10(wheel),11(floppy),20(di alout),26(tape),27(video),441(torrent) |
| [15:59:35] | jduggan: | sigkill jduggan # rm -rf / |
| [15:59:37] | jduggan: | rm: failed to get attributes of `/': No such file or directory |
| [15:59:40] | jduggan: | sigkill jduggan # |
| [15:59:47] | jduggan: | ;] |
| [15:59:48] | clever: | lol |
| [16:00:43] | stuarta: | upgrading will be fun |
| [16:01:09] | clever: | if you rmmod something from the real root youll probly be able to use it normaly |
| [16:01:33] | jduggan: | no loadable module support in this kernel |
| [16:01:37] | jduggan: | ;] |
| [16:01:38] | clever: | lol |
| [16:01:45] | clever: | 2nd kernel at grub then:P |
| [16:01:49] | jduggan: | yep |
| [16:01:50] | stuarta: | tighter than a ducks arse |
| [16:01:56] | jduggan: | or gradm -a admin/gradm -D |
| [16:01:59] | jduggan: | ;] |
| [16:02:05] | Toxicity999: | I lost all my music collection so I'm downloading it all off of usen---a legal DRM supplier of digital entertainment... |
| [16:02:07] | Toxicity999: | and tagging it all. |
| [16:02:17] | Toxicity999: | It's a looooong process. |
| [16:02:30] | willcooke: | stuarta, would you be interested in adding support for $ky's epg to myth? :) I realise this is a huge undertaking |
| [16:02:33] | clever: | i somehow got 50 duplicates of every song i have on the pc:P |
| [16:02:39] | opello: | legal drm provider? you could have used amazon :p |
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| [16:04:01] | Toxicity999: | opello =P |
| [16:04:10] | jduggan: | willcooke: can you get access to raw epg data from the skybox? |
| [16:04:26] | willcooke: | jduggan, sort of. They use a system called ironically OpenTV |
| [16:05:10] | willcooke: | they seem to transmit now and next as normal EIT info, but the full EPG is in this other format – details of which I have found |
| [16:05:54] | jduggan: | "now and next" being the epg data you find when you hit the UP arrow on a skybox? |
| [16:06:01] | stuarta: | willcooke: it will be interesting to see if they start broadcasting something different for the freesat EPG |
| [16:06:06] | willcooke: | jduggan, thats the one |
| [16:06:23] | jduggan: | hmm |
| [16:06:31] | willcooke: | stuarta, as I understand you still have to have a sky branded telly box – so probably not |
| [16:06:48] | jduggan: | willcooke: freesat isnt SKY |
| [16:06:57] | willcooke: | someone has written a vdr plugin to decode the data |
| [16:07:02] | stuarta: | no but it's carried on their satellites |
| [16:07:20] | stuarta: | think of it as a subset of $ky |
| [16:07:45] | willcooke: | Because, for example, the BBC's "interactive" content on sky is already done in opentv, not mheg, I expect them to stick with it |
| [16:08:01] | jduggan: | you dont need a sky box to get freesat |
| [16:08:11] | stuarta: | no you don't |
| [16:08:29] | willcooke: | stuarta, http://vdr.bluox.org/download/?path=vdr-otv4vdr/ |
| [16:08:31] | stuarta: | but how are they going to do the standard freesat package |
| [16:08:38] | willcooke: | stuarta, have a look at otvepg.c |
| [16:08:46] | stuarta: | not just atm |
| [16:08:50] | willcooke: | np |
| [16:08:58] | stuarta: | but keep that link handy ;-) |
| [16:09:07] | willcooke: | :) will do – cheers |
| [16:09:15] | willcooke: | I'll look at it and see if I can make any sense of it |
| [16:09:31] | jduggan: | btw |
| [16:09:40] | jduggan: | are there any docs on coding for mythtv |
| [16:09:50] | stuarta: | on the wiki yup |
| [16:09:54] | willcooke: | jduggan, the beeb aren't going to transmit BBC 1 on Sky AND BBC1 on freesat – it'll be the same feed I would think |
| [16:10:06] | stuarta: | its the same satellite |
| [16:10:22] | stuarta: | freesat is technically a con |
| [16:10:31] | willcooke: | :) indeed |
| [16:10:32] | stuarta: | take what is on $ky that is free |
| [16:10:39] | willcooke: | "free" just buy this 20quid card |
| [16:10:40] | stuarta: | market it as freesat |
| [16:11:02] | stuarta: | however one thing that's good is some of the FTV channels will become FTA channels |
| [16:11:06] | willcooke: | things like Five aren't FTA on sky – which is crazy to me |
| [16:11:11] | jduggan: | willcooke: that £20 is for FTV channels |
| [16:11:25] | stuarta: | will be eventually |
| [16:11:40] | willcooke: | why not just make them FTA though? then you wouldnt need a card |
| [16:11:47] | stuarta: | will be eventually |
| [16:11:48] | jduggan: | willcooke: they will |
| [16:11:51] | willcooke: | ahh – ok |
| [16:11:53] | jduggan: | just stuck in contract to SKY |
| [16:11:54] | jduggan: | :) |
| [16:12:40] | stuarta: | "For the technically-minded amongst you, if you have a 45–60cm dish pointing towards Astra at 28.2° East or Eurobird at 28.5° East, you should be able to receive freesat. Note that these satellites are also already in use for existing UK digital-satellite television platforms." |
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| [16:20:17] | stuarta: | http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo= . . . &DOY=6m1 |
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| [16:21:26] | willcooke: | thats pretty sweet – tad expensive though |
| [16:22:07] | stuarta: | looks like it'll cope with multiple birds though |
| [16:22:16] | stuarta: | something the bog standard $ky box doesn't |
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| [16:24:45] | stuarta: | http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo= . . . &DOY=6m1 |
| [16:24:52] | stuarta: | that's a bit cheaper |
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| [16:26:47] | djc_: | !seen GreyFoxx |
| [16:26:47] | MythLogBot: | GreyFoxx is here and has been idle for 11 hours 31 minutes 50 seconds |
| [16:26:52] | djc_: | bah |
| [16:30:02] | jduggan: | stuarta: you pasted the same links |
| [16:30:03] | jduggan: | ;) |
| [16:30:16] | stuarta: | hmmm |
| [16:30:29] | stuarta: | well there's another one in the right hand bar for 39.99 |
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| [16:42:03] | jduggan: | when i go to "watch recordings" i can see groups/categories, livetv category has '17 items' but if i select it, it says there's no recordings |
| [16:42:17] | jduggan: | i should see those live tv recordings until they expire, shouldnt i? |
| [16:42:59] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: I have the 180 on the way, will probably go with the HDHR as well. |
| [16:43:18] | jduggan: | incidentally, if i go to 'delete recordings', i can navigate them |
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| [16:44:21] | Anduin: | jduggan: 0.20? |
| [16:45:08] | jduggan: | yea |
| [16:48:17] | ** willcooke gives up on Radio Times – far too involved ** | |
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| [16:51:39] | DarK: | I just recorded my first show ever through mythtv and all went well! That wouldnt have been possible without all the help I got over the past few days so thanks again to everybody :) |
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| [17:19:21] | Jonny88: | can somebody explain the differences between these? Does either have IR blaster? http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?pro . . . p;tid=001046 http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?pro . . . mp;tid=01063 sorry for the long links, dno how to do hyperlinks in IM |
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| [17:23:37] | jduggan: | Jonny88: first link, read the "In the box" section |
| [17:23:52] | jduggan: | "Infra-red remote control transmitter and receiver " |
| [17:24:00] | jduggan: | they advertise it as having an irblaster... |
| [17:24:41] | Jonny88: | Oh, I thought that meant IR Remote and Reciever |
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| [17:41:21] | Jonny88: | Does anybody have experiance with via mini-itx systems? Are they good for myth and can any manage HD? |
| [17:41:27] | blkorpheus: | can't find a specific page on this |
| [17:41:36] | blkorpheus: | but my channel names |
| [17:42:17] | blkorpheus: | how do I get my channel names to appear? Using SD, and I have everything but that |
| [17:42:45] | iamlindoro_: | Jonny88: I believe the general consensus is you can make a VIA processor work for myth, but only reliably for SD, and that HD is a nightmare of tweaking and hackery to get to work... some will tell you it's possible, others will say it's not, but it's assuredly not a sure thing |
| [17:43:28] | Jonny88: | K. What does a via use for mpeg 2 decoding? assuming they have no space for expansion cards? |
| [17:43:59] | Jonny88: | edit *encoding + decoding* |
| [17:44:50] | iamlindoro_: | Jonny88: You have to rely on XvMC (hardware acceleration of mpeg-2) for decoding of mpeg-2, which is dodgy and best avoided if possible (but impossible to avoid with VIA) and encoding would have to be handled either by the processor or by the tuner card, depending |
| [17:45:57] | Jonny88: | I see, I'm guessing that a new low powered AMD (or intel, although I feel more at home on an AMD system) is the way to go for full features? |
| [17:46:06] | iamlindoro_: | The reliance on XvMC is one of the major drawbacks of VIA. For the same money, you might as well go with a Core 2 Mobile processor and have no issue with HD at all, and still have similar volume levels |
| [17:46:14] | vontrapp: | why is the default record quality taking > 1G per half hour? |
| [17:46:18] | vontrapp: | that's insane |
| [17:46:50] | iamlindoro_: | vontrapp: running SVN? |
| [17:46:55] | Jonny88: | My thought of going with VIA is to have a PVR using only 30W. Core2 won't achieve that |
| [17:46:56] | vontrapp: | no |
| [17:47:02] | vontrapp: | mythbuntu |
| [17:47:24] | iamlindoro_: | running mythbuntu doesn't preclude running SVN :) But I'll assume you're on .20.2 |
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| [17:47:45] | iamlindoro_: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4240 |
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| [17:47:48] | vontrapp: | well i'm running the packages out of the repo, gutsy |
| [17:47:59] | iamlindoro_: | Still, I think that ticket applies, as I believe .20.2 is 15021 or so |
| [17:48:33] | iamlindoro_: | although... maybe not vontrapp, do mythbackend -version and tell me what revision number it shows |
| [17:48:46] | iamlindoro_: | er --version |
| [17:49:27] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, .20.2 is 14283... so this *probably* shouldn't affect you |
| [17:50:43] | vontrapp: | well, information center, it says i have "4 hours left, using ... 6102 Kb/sec" |
| [17:50:52] | vontrapp: | that's a really high bitrate |
| [17:50:59] | vontrapp: | i didn't choose it |
| [17:51:03] | iamlindoro_: | vontrapp: So turn down your bitrates if you don't like it, what was the point of mentioning it? |
| [17:51:16] | vontrapp: | seems like a wacky default |
| [17:51:24] | GreyFoxx: | No way is that the default |
| [17:51:32] | GreyFoxx: | What kind of card ? |
| [17:51:38] | vontrapp: | hauppage |
| [17:51:42] | GreyFoxx: | ..... |
| [17:51:47] | GreyFoxx: | more specific please :) |
| [17:51:49] | stuarta: | it's just a theoretical possible maximum bitrate |
| [17:52:16] | vontrapp: | Conexant CX23660/1/2/3 |
| [17:52:18] | GreyFoxx: | hauppage sels pvr cards, framegrabbers, and dvb cards |
| [17:52:31] | vontrapp: | s/66/88/ |
| [17:52:39] | vontrapp: | 23880, iow |
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| [17:52:56] | vontrapp: | that's the chipset of it anyway |
| [17:53:18] | iamlindoro_: | vontrapp, what product name was it under when you bought it? PVR-150, Wintv, etc., etc. |
| [17:53:23] | vontrapp: | it was a wintv is all i remember |
| [17:53:29] | blkorpheus: | in my subscribed line-up I see the channel names @ SD's website |
| [17:53:50] | blkorpheus: | but the channel names to not populate in mythtv? |
| [17:53:52] | GreyFoxx: | That chip isn't enough info |
| [17:54:01] | GreyFoxx: | What is the source? Digital cable or analog cable ? |
| [17:54:09] | vontrapp: | analog cable |
| [17:54:10] | GreyFoxx: | That chip appears on several of their cards |
| [17:54:45] | GreyFoxx: | When you configured mythtv-setup what cardtype did you pick? a V4l framegrabber or a mpeg encoder card ? |
| [17:54:55] | vontrapp: | v4l |
| [17:55:09] | GreyFoxx: | Then it must be aramegrabber |
| [17:55:17] | iamlindoro_: | heh, which is not to say he picked the right type :) |
| [17:55:30] | vontrapp: | i know it doesn't have encoding capabilities |
| [17:55:33] | GreyFoxx: | well, if it succeeded in recording a show it's likely :) |
| [17:55:50] | iamlindoro_: | ok, yeah, then GreyFoxx is right, ramegrabber |
| [17:55:54] | iamlindoro_: | er framegrabber |
| [17:56:01] | vontrapp: | just a humble tuner card |
| [17:56:33] | iamlindoro_: | And you never played with recording profiles at all? |
| [17:56:34] | vontrapp: | anyway, i can't find anything that chooses the bitrate directly, only things that might indirectly effect it |
| [17:56:42] | vontrapp: | nope |
| [17:56:49] | GreyFoxx: | vontrapp: bitrate is set in the recording profiles |
| [17:56:53] | iamlindoro_: | Well that's where the bitrate settings are, they're a set of sliders |
| [17:56:56] | GreyFoxx: | you edit those via the frontend setup menus |
| [17:57:00] | vontrapp: | all i see there is "rtjpeg quality" |
| [17:57:30] | vontrapp: | but i never changed them |
| [17:57:34] | vontrapp: | i promise ;) |
| [17:57:55] | GreyFoxx: | You tell it to use RTJPEG or MPEG4 in the setup menus |
| [17:58:11] | GreyFoxx: | It's been forever since I last had a framegrabber though |
| [17:58:26] | vontrapp: | ok, using mpeg, what's a decent bitrate? |
| [17:58:41] | vontrapp: | default now is 2200 |
| [17:58:51] | GreyFoxx: | 2000–3000 should be ok |
| [17:59:00] | iamlindoro_: | That'd be just slightly more than a gig an hour I believe |
| [17:59:20] | iamlindoro_: | or in that neighborhood, anyway |
| [17:59:41] | vontrapp: | yeah, it says 2200 is approx 1G/hr |
| [18:00:15] | vontrapp: | what exactly does the "high-quality encoding" flag do? |
| [18:00:30] | iamlindoro_: | You *can* crank it up, but if you're like me, it rapidly reaches a point of diminishing returns, ie the difference per thousand Kb/s is less and less obvious |
| [18:01:21] | blkorpheus: | http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=195 |
| [18:01:34] | blkorpheus: | ok at least I know its not just me |
| [18:02:10] | vontrapp: | blkorpheus: try running mythfilldatabase with the --do-channel-updates flag |
| [18:02:17] | GreyFoxx: | Your channel names say "Adding Channel" ? |
| [18:02:29] | vontrapp: | mine said that too, but i did no grabber |
| [18:02:34] | vontrapp: | i think it comes from the channel scanner |
| [18:02:51] | blkorpheus: | GreyFoxx, yes |
| [18:02:53] | vontrapp: | you may have to delete all your channels and then run the mythfill |
| [18:03:04] | GreyFoxx: | There is no reason to scan for channels if you are using SD |
| [18:03:07] | blkorpheus: | vontrapp, working on it..still reading up |
| [18:03:10] | GreyFoxx: | at least not with analog cab le |
| [18:03:24] | blkorpheus: | ok |
| [18:03:26] | blkorpheus: | no scan |
| [18:03:30] | iamlindoro_: | vontrapp: re your question, I can't be sure but I presume the encoder in one way or another trades processor time for quality, ie two-pass or something similar |
| [18:03:31] | blkorpheus: | then the update |
| [18:03:37] | blkorpheus: | I'll try it |
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| [18:03:41] | blkorpheus: | thx |
| [18:04:40] | black_Nightmare_: | any of you ever seen any source of digital amplifiers online in north america or was I remembering the wrong name somehow? (re splitting coax but keeping same 75ohm on each line) |
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| [18:06:42] | vontrapp: | now how do i hook up recording schedules to recording profiles? i can't find it |
| [18:07:26] | iamlindoro_: | Each recording rule has an optionf for which recording profile to use, which defaults to "Default." |
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| [18:08:18] | vontrapp: | i see a recording group, but that appears to be different |
| [18:08:33] | vontrapp: | oh nm, there it is :/ |
| [18:10:05] | black_Nightmare_: | hm or I guess not? |
| [18:13:19] | blkorpheus: | deleted database repopulating now with mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates |
| [18:13:32] | blkorpheus: | fingers crossed ;-P |
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| [18:17:45] | peoples: | hey guys .. :) |
| [18:18:00] | peoples: | can anyone help me with mythtv and sasc-ng ? :) |
| [18:18:57] | stuarta: | no |
| [18:19:09] | stuarta: | you will be banned for discussing it too :) |
| [18:19:33] | stuarta: | (if you persist that is) |
| [18:21:03] | stuarta: | ...and back to our normal insanity... |
| [18:21:31] | ** stuarta whistles cheerfully ** | |
| [18:21:47] | jamesd_: | |
| [18:21:49] | jamesd_: | 's |
| [18:22:08] | iamlindoro_: | I like how everyone who wants to steal TV is so smiley |
| [18:22:10] | stuarta: | and you'll soon work out why we don't discuss it *ever* |
| [18:22:21] | blkorpheus: | not working right, no channels guige nothing now |
| [18:22:21] | iamlindoro_: | Cheery folks, thieves... |
| [18:22:25] | blkorpheus: | mmm |
| [18:22:37] | benben: | whats sasc-ng? |
| [18:22:41] | xand: | it's not legally theft |
| [18:22:43] | stuarta: | don't ask |
| [18:22:57] | stuarta: | nor is stealing my mates camel |
| [18:23:18] | iamlindoro_: | It's theft here in California |
| [18:23:24] | ** stuarta removes tongue from cheek ** | |
| [18:23:25] | iamlindoro_: | 502.7 PC, theft of services |
| [18:23:35] | peoples: | :) |
| [18:23:39] | stuarta: | anywhere really |
| [18:23:41] | peoples: | k sry ... :D |
| [18:23:55] | ** iamlindoro_ used to arrest people for a living ;) ** | |
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| [18:24:17] | black_Nightmare_: | hm I'm going off..will try ask again next time |
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| [18:24:22] | blkorpheus: | think I may have it |
| [18:24:46] | ** stuarta goes to make some dinner ** | |
| [18:25:03] | blkorpheus: | fetched line up so mythtv shows my cabe operator |
| [18:25:11] | blkorpheus: | and did not scan |
| [18:25:24] | blkorpheus: | now rinnung updates cmd |
| [18:27:55] | clever: | 2008-01–06 14:26:30.676 NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: myth://192.168.1.60:6543/1028_20080106135900.mpg |
| [18:28:00] | clever: | my recordings wont play |
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| [18:28:29] | blkorpheus: | fixed! |
| [18:28:32] | blkorpheus: | thx |
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| [18:34:42] | ** justinh was going to point out a cheat to willcooke ** | |
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| [18:36:19] | Spida: | hi |
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| [18:45:33] | jamesd_: | hello |
| [18:46:41] | Spida: | what should a kernel say when plugging in a igorplugusb and loading lirc_igorplugusb? |
| [18:47:34] | Spida: | probably something different from http://rafb.net/p/oH2kPT44.html ... |
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| [19:04:26] | justinh: | who makes up the names of these things? |
| [19:05:42] | jduggan: | igor by toyota |
| [19:05:45] | jduggan: | :o |
| [19:07:22] | hexxington: | igor by toyota? |
| [19:07:30] | justinh: | oh nice. google have finally indexed my site |
| [19:08:24] | justinh: | ahh that's what igorplugusb is. homebrew microcontroller based IR stuff |
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| [19:14:03] | justinh: | Spida: you're right that does look a bit suspect |
| [19:14:45] | jamesd_: | yes being indexed by google is nice.. i get an average of 500 visitors to my blog per day, most of them thanks to google :-) |
| [19:15:03] | justinh: | majority of my site's hits are from mythtv.org |
| [19:15:14] | justinh: | which is nice. proves the wiki is being used |
| [19:15:26] | jamesd_: | uadmin.blogspot.com if anyone is interested :-) |
| [19:15:32] | justinh: | my old site was primarily hit via google with very few links from the wiki |
| [19:15:38] | justinh: | blogs. pah |
| [19:15:50] | justinh: | life's too short! |
| [19:16:02] | jamesd_: | its a technical blog lots of information... not much fluff.... |
| [19:16:50] | justinh: | the big problem I have with blogs is mythtv based. people post info on their own blog & don't contribute it to the wiki. we don't need that |
| [19:17:22] | justinh: | the days of information being spread far & wide across the net should have been over a long time ago for this project |
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| [19:18:23] | jamesd_: | true, but i'm too new to the project to have anything important enough for the wiki... perhaps i will find some time and port mythfrontent to solaris ;-) then that will be wiki worthy |
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| [19:18:51] | justinh: | what you'll probably find eventually is people will ask stupid questions as comments on the blog asking for help |
| [19:19:20] | justinh: | happened to me on farcebook |
| [19:20:05] | jamesd_: | yeah i get that, and i don't find it bad.. its motivational and draws people back to my blog.. the more traffic the more money... i make about $400 a year thanks to google. |
| [19:20:14] | justinh: | facebook would be ok if it wasn't for all the stupid ducking pirates & zombie crap |
| [19:20:27] | pooyak: | hi, I have a dvd drive mounted over network is there anyway to force myth to use that mounted path rather the directly opening /dev/dvd device? |
| [19:20:35] | justinh: | how many hits per day do you have to get to earn $400 a year? |
| [19:20:35] | jamesd_: | yeah i stay away from facebook and myspace... |
| [19:20:58] | justinh: | I had google ads for a while. didn't look worthwhile |
| [19:21:10] | jamesd_: | justinh, i average 500 hits a day, i have been on osnews.com and slashdot a couple times... and that got me 10k hits a day for about a week. |
| [19:22:15] | justinh: | averaging maybe 1500 individual page views a month. still, there's not much new material to go back for :P |
| [19:22:17] | jamesd_: | its not easy to get good traffic... but i have done ok. |
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| [19:24:58] | jamesd_: | well what is needed for mythtv is some how to's that are really dumbed down and complete, a lot of what i find are done by experts adding there 2nd and 3rd tuner, when I was a complete newbie at least to mythtv not to linux/unix so even after i followed the instructions I was still stuck with dozens of choices to try to get it to scan over the air atsc tv... |
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| [19:26:25] | jamesd_: | of course some wizzards for mythtv would be great... telling it what card you have or have it scan for it and then take an hour or two and have it program the card with what ever choices it needs to get it working.... |
| [19:26:33] | justinh: | users can contribute to the wiki too |
| [19:27:01] | justinh: | we get a lot of "muh muh muh but I can't... " here though. it pisses me off |
| [19:27:45] | jamesd_: | i know and have for some projects but its only my 3rd day with mythtv and i don't know how much of what i went through in setting it up was because i was a bone head and missed some key parts of the docs |
| [19:28:39] | justinh: | I'm not criticising you I'm just saying ;) |
| [19:29:11] | justinh: | I don't think mythtv is going to get any harder to set up & use. |
| [19:29:19] | jamesd_: | give me some time and i will... my favorite way of learning something is helping others solve there problems that is why i hang out here. |
| [19:30:19] | xand: | can I get mythweb's Recorded Programs page to be split up say by week or month? takes aaages to load |
| [19:30:22] | jamesd_: | justinh, sure it will as more and more companies ship clones of tuner cards and usb devices it will get harder just as my kworld 115 card needed changes to files done by hand... |
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| [19:32:58] | justinh: | I wish brands like kworld would just go away. they're half-assed attempts at proper products. just buy some OEM stuff, put a badge on it & away they go |
| [19:34:59] | jamesd_: | hmm i thought it was one of the better choices, and it was cheap $60 shipped, yes i know i missed the good times when they were on buy.com .. but hell it will probably save me $600 because i don't need cable now, and i was close to getting cable because of the crappy analog picture. |
| [19:37:23] | hexxington: | i wish i didn't have to do the washing up |
| [19:37:30] | hexxington: | but in life, sometimes we don't get what we want |
| [19:37:49] | xand: | get a dishwasher |
| [19:42:47] | hexxington: | nowhere to plumb one in |
| [19:43:10] | justinh: | even with a dishwasher there's still drudgery |
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| [19:43:39] | justinh: | unless she's Polish & doesn't mind below minimum wage |
| [19:46:14] | jamesd_: | portable dishwashers only require a sink and a drain |
| [19:46:25] | xand: | guess I'm gonna have to hack mythweb to get my split recorded programs list |
| [19:46:35] | hexxington: | and the house we're buying has one already |
| [19:46:43] | xand: | I wish I had room for a dishwasher |
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| [19:47:34] | blkorpheus: | very happy with mythtv GREAT work |
| [19:48:19] | xris: | xand: pretty much... the whole point of a web page is big long list so you don't have to change pages. |
| [19:49:04] | xand: | xris: would you like all your google results in one page? |
| [19:49:43] | xris: | xand: up to about 100–250, sure |
| [19:50:14] | whodat: | hmm.. it seems to be a real pain in the bum to do subscription hd with mythtv... |
| [19:50:32] | xris: | whodat: depends on where you live and which provider you have.. but in general, yes. |
| [19:50:37] | xand: | xris: I'd like maybe 100 per page for mythweb |
| [19:50:40] | xris: | xand: I'll be redesigning the recordings list for .22 which will hopefully make it more usable. |
| [19:50:56] | xris: | xand: I also tend to archive my shows off to mythvideo if I want to keep them around. |
| [19:51:09] | xris: | (more usable for large lists) |
| [19:51:21] | whodat: | xris: was gonna try directv.. but man... looks like this 169time mod is the only way to go really. |
| [19:51:26] | xris: | you have more than 100 episodes of each show recorded? |
| [19:51:33] | whodat: | or is that outdated now? |
| [19:51:37] | xand: | no, in total |
| [19:51:47] | xris: | xand: then browse by episode title? |
| [19:52:15] | xris: | whodat: yeah.. the satellite providers aren't regulated the same way as cable and can thus lock you down a lot tighter... it's easier to just buy their DVR solution and be stuck without cool mythtv features. |
| [19:52:19] | xand: | the grouping-by-program is broken by stupid EPG data |
| [19:53:35] | xand: | if EIT used the same names as Radio Times it would be ok |
| [19:53:43] | whodat: | xris: is it more doable with time warner cable? |
| [19:54:03] | ** justinh chuckles at the sight of the glowing, pulsating penguin ** | |
| [19:54:31] | justinh: | that's f'ing quality, that is |
| [19:55:01] | xris: | whodat: depends on where you live... cable companies are franchises and the local branch offices all do different things.. You should at least be able to get local broadcast HD channels with cable, though... and *might* get the cable channels and/or the SD digital channels |
| [19:55:17] | xris: | justinh: huh? |
| [19:56:58] | xand: | is there any easy way of renaming recorded programs? or do i have to do it manually |
| [19:57:15] | jduggan: | justinh: i like the new title banner on mythtvthemes.co.uk very swanky :o |
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| [19:58:19] | justinh: | xris: secret project ;) |
| [19:58:27] | xris: | justinh: ahh... |
| [19:58:35] | justinh: | the penguin has a remote in its mitt ;) |
| [19:59:04] | whodat: | xris: i fear mythtv is gonna die soon if there continues to be no good way to do hd with it :( |
| [19:59:22] | justinh: | whodat: not if us Europeans have anything to do with it |
| [19:59:24] | xris: | whodat: it's not just mythtv.. affects all DVRs, even windows media center |
| [19:59:33] | whodat: | yeah i know |
| [19:59:46] | justinh: | slap too many restrictions on customers & they might just think again |
| [20:00:04] | whodat: | but with tivo you can just use directivo |
| [20:00:19] | justinh: | and I think Microsoft might have something to say about MCE becoming impotent in HD |
| [20:00:20] | xris: | whodat: directv has their own dvr now |
| [20:00:30] | xris: | as do the cable companies, and dishnet... |
| [20:00:30] | whodat: | aww |
| [20:00:44] | whodat: | man thats really starting to bite! |
| [20:00:54] | xris: | justinh: oh, microsoft will get their cut via the cablecard-approved hardware options... it's just the personal-install stuff that won't work. |
| [20:01:04] | justinh: | heh |
| [20:01:22] | justinh: | whodat: welcome to 2008, back to the old days of having one box for every single thing :P |
| [20:01:44] | whodat: | they are doing this so we cant copy media, for the most part? |
| [20:02:06] | justinh: | I think that we at least partially have file sharers to thank for this |
| [20:02:09] | xand: | oh well done XFS |
| [20:02:34] | justinh: | music DRM didn't exist before Napster & Kazaa did it? |
| [20:03:01] | xris: | whodat: copy, store, watch (without paying extra), etc. |
| [20:03:09] | hexxington: | justdave, you mean on cd/download? |
| [20:03:15] | hexxington: | justinh, ^^ |
| [20:03:19] | xand: | justinh: video drm did |
| [20:03:28] | xand: | well, ARM I suppose |
| [20:03:29] | hexxington: | yeah, there was the original DiVX format |
| [20:03:30] | hexxington: | then DVD |
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| [20:03:52] | whodat: | i am doing all my hd watching through xbox-live right now .. but would be nice to get sci-fi/discovery etc as hd with mythtv. i don wanna have to ditch mythtv but i may have too... :( |
| [20:04:59] | hexxington: | and does copy protection on videogames count as DRM? |
| [20:05:05] | whodat: | so... even tivo is hurting now, it doesnt have any good way to do subscription HD? |
| [20:05:35] | GreyFoxx: | only cablecard |
| [20:06:49] | whodat: | grey: thats like a pci card that can work in a pc too? |
| [20:07:51] | GreyFoxx: | Well, there are cablecard pci cards so, sorta |
| [20:08:01] | GreyFoxx: | No Linux drivers out there for users to use those |
| [20:08:05] | GreyFoxx: | and they wont give out the specs |
| [20:08:16] | GreyFoxx: | Tivo have it cause they are closed source and paid the $$$ to get it |
| [20:08:27] | whodat: | hmm |
| [20:09:18] | xris: | whodat: tivo just signed a huge deal with comcast... I'm sure they get way more revenue from licensing their software than they do on the hardware side. |
| [20:10:00] | whodat: | yeah |
| [20:10:02] | xris: | cablecard is a little credit-card sized thing that contains the decryption codes for your cable company... so something like a tivo can decrypt the cable signal |
| [20:10:03] | hexxington: | i still don't see what was wrong with CAM |
| [20:10:13] | hexxington: | why was designing cablecard needed? |
| [20:10:31] | xris: | hexxington: maybe CAM is only for dvb? dunno |
| [20:10:40] | xris: | or running CAM over QAM would confuse people. heh |
| [20:11:13] | GreyFoxx: | hexxington:cause cableco's, and mpaa and such want your viewing in their control :) |
| [20:11:22] | whodat: | wonder if there is any more luck with getting hd from at&t u-verse? |
| [20:11:26] | GreyFoxx: | mostly a push by the content makers those |
| [20:11:42] | hexxington: | GreyFoxx, it is! there's a reason nobody bothers using knock-off CAMs for sky |
| [20:12:03] | hexxington: | the daily key cycling for one... |
| [20:12:26] | xris: | whodat: might be something in the mythtv wiki, or linuxtv.org.... but unfortunately most of the solutions are illegal, which means you'd get yelled at for talking about them here, and you won't find anything in the official documentation. |
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| [20:13:23] | Jonny88: | Anybody Know why I'm getting these errors? QSqlQuery::exec: database not openQSqlQuery::exec: database not open2008-01–06 20:11:50.742 DB Error (KickDatabase):Query was:SELECT NULL;No error type from QSqlError? Strange...2008-01–06 20:11:50.792 Database not open while trying to load setting: TVVidModeHeight02008-01–06 20:11:50.794 max_width: 1024 max_height: 7682008-01–06 20:11:50.794 Unable to connect to database!2008-01–0 |
| [20:13:23] | Jonny88: | connectDatabase error was:Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [20:14:17] | xris: | Jonny88: database running and set up? |
| [20:14:27] | Jonny88: | how do I check that? |
| [20:14:53] | whodat: | xris: the 169time firewire mods are illegal? |
| [20:17:20] | xris: | whodat: no clue there.. I'd assume they're legit if the company is still in business |
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| [20:22:40] | javatexan: | howdy.... |
| [20:22:54] | javatexan: | can you use mythtv with Xbox360? |
| [20:23:13] | GreyFoxx: | You can via mythvideo stuff on the 360 if you are running svn from the last week or so |
| [20:23:21] | GreyFoxx: | before that , no |
| [20:23:21] | justinh: | _with_ – yes. _on_ – no :) |
| [20:24:50] | javatexan: | is there any documentation about how it works with xbox360 |
| [20:25:02] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [20:25:08] | GreyFoxx: | Just me |
| [20:25:22] | GreyFoxx: | I'll put something in the wiki before 0.21 is out |
| [20:25:39] | javatexan: | so you can stream mythvideo onto the xbox? |
| [20:25:51] | GreyFoxx: | via the backend upnp server |
| [20:25:57] | justinh: | I think we all just saw GreyFoxx say that |
| [20:26:09] | GreyFoxx: | and only if you are running trunk from the last week |
| [20:26:19] | javatexan: | thank you justin |
| [20:26:22] | javatexan: | ;) |
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| [20:27:00] | GreyFoxx: | javatexan: you need the dec4th xbox360 update too |
| [20:27:14] | GreyFoxx: | the xbox wil NOT play or show mpg, iso, vob, mkv |
| [20:27:30] | GreyFoxx: | avi, mp4, wmv and asf only |
| [20:27:30] | javatexan: | only the windows media format, right |
| [20:27:39] | javatexan: | yeah...thats what I though |
| [20:27:41] | javatexan: | t |
| [20:27:41] | GreyFoxx: | xvid+divx avi's too now |
| [20:28:05] | Jonny88: | how do I set up myth database on ubuntu, following install guide but I'm getting error message |
| [20:28:43] | justinh: | Jonny88: #ubuntu-mythtv – IMHO they can clean up their own mess :) |
| [20:29:37] | Jonny88: | tried asking there, no help so far, other than to tell me that its a database access problem... |
| [20:30:27] | justinh: | Jonny88: well, see if you can log into the mysql server with "mysql -u mythtv -p$password mythconverg" where $password can be found in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
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| [20:31:09] | justinh: | there's a popup during the installation process which tells you the random password it sets for mysql |
| [20:31:23] | justinh: | if you miss it, you lose & have to look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [20:31:32] | Miranda: | Is the Hauppage model 38181 supported in MythTV? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . photohosting |
| [20:31:34] | Jonny88: | justinh: get access denied |
| [20:31:49] | justinh: | Jonny88: with the same password as listed in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt ? |
| [20:32:00] | benben: | hmm, is there any reason why EIT might show information for a channel like .... half an hour early? |
| [20:32:09] | Jonny88: | justinh: yes |
| [20:32:16] | benben: | just one particular channel this happens on btw |
| [20:32:18] | iamlindoro: | Miranda-- you don't want a framegrabber if you can avoid it |
| [20:32:26] | justinh: | e.g. if the password in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt is AGHJDGFE you do mysql -u mythtv -pAGHJDGFE mythconverg |
| [20:32:53] | Jonny88: | justinh: jonny@jonny-desktop:~$ mysql -u mythtv -pBxt1RYsT mythconverg ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [20:32:54] | xand: | don't put your mysql password in the command line. |
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| [20:33:28] | xand: | Jonny88: is that the right machine? c.c |
| [20:33:38] | iamlindoro: | Miranda: But yes, the Win TV Go should be supported by v4l, you can check cards that will work in mythtv by looking at the wikis on www.linuxtv.org... A much better choice would be the PVR-150/250/350/500 or similar hardware encoder |
| [20:33:44] | justinh: | I really wish ubuntu would forgo this random password crap |
| [20:33:45] | Jonny88: | xand: just one machine |
| [20:33:52] | Miranda: | iamlindoro, oh, that one is a framegrabber? |
| [20:33:57] | justinh: | causes more hassle for us than it's worth |
| [20:34:14] | Jonny88: | justinh: how can I kill off the passwords, create my own etc? Will that help? |
| [20:34:22] | iamlindoro: | Miranda: Yes, any analog card that doesn't have a hardware encoder is, by definition, a framegrabber |
| [20:34:51] | Toxicity999: | Jeez am I the only one still running myth on a CRT? =P All the new themes are 16 9, least most of them look alright on 4 3 with no missing textures. |
| [20:35:15] | justinh: | Toxicity999: I run my frontend on a CRT. a 16:9 CRT |
| [20:35:23] | jhulst: | Toxicity999: I just replaced my last 4:3 CRT :) |
| [20:35:32] | Toxicity999: | justinh haha, nice |
| [20:35:36] | justinh: | 4:3 is for people from last century |
| [20:35:46] | jhulst: | or those with no money |
| [20:36:06] | Toxicity999: | I did just bloe 264$ on a desktop upgrade... then that hardware died =[ |
| [20:36:11] | justinh: | currently working on a new 4:3 theme actually. no sneak peeks and it'll never be available from my website |
| [20:36:11] | Toxicity999: | *blow |
| [20:36:37] | justinh: | there will also be a 16:9 version though, in keeping with modernity |
| [20:37:12] | justinh: | jhulst: I can easily afford a flat panel TV. not a good one, not by a long stretch |
| [20:37:31] | justinh: | give it a few years for OLED etc to take hold |
| [20:37:37] | Toxicity999: | Wait, then where are you putting it if not on your site? Just trickling interwebs style? |
| [20:37:41] | jhulst: | justinh: I got a 24" lcd computer monitor for my newest tv |
| [20:37:46] | justinh: | Toxicity999: it's not for me |
| [20:38:22] | Toxicity999: | Well if it looks nice and it's native 4 3, you have to hook me up when ready, lol. |
| [20:38:24] | xand: | justinh: CRTs are for people from last century! :P |
| [20:38:43] | Toxicity999: | I'm actually using your glass now, it looks pretty nice on 4 3 still. |
| [20:38:45] | justinh: | xand: bright, contrasty displays are for people from last century? ok |
| [20:39:08] | justinh: | people are starting to care less about quality than they used to. that much is obvious |
| [20:39:35] | Toxicity999: | but it has more scanlines zomgeez!!1111233! |
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| [20:39:46] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
| [20:39:52] | jhulst: | justinh: true, most of the new large tvs look terrible |
| [20:39:54] | Toxicity999: | 'llo |
| [20:40:28] | Miranda: | iamlindoro, How would I discern a framegrabber from the hardware encoder, by picture alone? |
| [20:40:47] | Jonny88: | Ok, turns out there is no mythconverg database, how do I create it? |
| [20:40:51] | Toxicity999: | man, I wish IMDB was smarter, Our scripts are fine, but their search engines sucks. |
| [20:40:53] | iamlindoro: | Miranda: Pretty impossible by picture alone unless you can read the chips, better to just check the product info |
| [20:41:26] | iamlindoro: | Miranda: You can get the Hauppauge PVR-x50/500 series pretty cheap, why not just go with one of those? |
| [20:41:35] | Toxicity999: | generally they have a distinct encoder chip onboard though, but not a rule, it might not be visible. |
| [20:42:19] | Toxicity999: | if it's some piece of hardware anyone else has used ever, there are probably online specs anyway. |
| [20:42:53] | Miranda: | iamlindoro, I'm looking for something that does not require a lot of hassle to do American NTSC analog recording |
| [20:43:05] | iamlindoro: | Miranda: And that's a PVR-x50 |
| [20:43:14] | Toxicity999: | for hardware encoding, definitely. |
| [20:43:18] | iamlindoro: | 150 for one tuner, 500 for two |
| [20:43:28] | Toxicity999: | works VERY easily with ivtv |
| [20:43:31] | iamlindoro: | that is, product #, pvr-150, pvr-500 |
| [20:43:43] | Toxicity999: | most modern distros it's plug and play, or minor compiling/module loading |
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| [20:43:56] | iamlindoro: | PVR-150s can be had for as little as $40–50 |
| [20:44:12] | Toxicity999: | bit more for a nice pack with an MCE remote. |
| [20:44:24] | Toxicity999: | which is a great starter kit. |
| [20:44:24] | black_Nightmare_: | $40? |
| [20:44:39] | Toxicity999: | black_Nightmare_ yea, newegg sells 150's cheaply with no IR. |
| [20:44:41] | black_Nightmare_: | its going for close to over $100 all the times even on online stores here |
| [20:44:48] | Toxicity999: | whaaat? |
| [20:44:58] | Anduin: | ~$50 is easy to find |
| [20:45:10] | Anduin: | (white box, no remote) |
| [20:45:20] | Toxicity999: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116633 |
| [20:45:25] | Toxicity999: | black_Nightmare_ ^^ |
| [20:45:27] | iamlindoro: | $54 New in Box at Newegg, $40 the times I've seen open-box with full warranty |
| [20:45:31] | justinh: | Miranda: generally if it's not by Hauppauge & it doesn't have PVR in its name, it ain't a hardware encoder |
| [20:45:33] | black_Nightmare_: | toxicity...try get something in -canada- |
| [20:45:56] | Toxicity999: | ah |
| [20:46:05] | iamlindoro: | Then it's not "even on online stores here," It's *only* in stores there |
| [20:46:11] | Toxicity999: | We're spoiled by newegg =[ |
| [20:46:14] | iamlindoro: | $40–50 here :) |
| [20:46:21] | black_Nightmare_: | umm iamlindoro...ever thought that "online" does not only mean usa :p |
| [20:46:30] | Toxicity999: | I actually have the next step up, no IR. FM and full composite in. |
| [20:46:50] | iamlindoro: | Yes, but "here" generally means wherever you are, and even means you are referring to "more than just" here |
| [20:47:21] | iamlindoro: | If you didn't mean to include more than wherever you are, "even" oughtn't to have been there, since it widens the scope |
| [20:47:22] | justinh: | I was in a supermarket yesterday & they had a £2000 LCD TV from Hitachi on show with an upscaling DVD. It looked AWFUL. Not just the scaling quality but the actual image itself. gamma & contrast were way out of whack. maybe incorrectly set up but even so not a good advert |
| [20:47:57] | Toxicity999: | justinh: most people are just impressed by size anyway |
| [20:48:25] | justinh: | £300 32" CRT would've looked better |
| [20:48:29] | Toxicity999: | It's like the GHz wars, at a certain point we started caring about actual processing power more. but most people are TVtarded, so who knows. |
| [20:48:48] | mchou: | justinh: they sell HDTVs in the supermarket in UK? |
| [20:48:58] | Toxicity999: | myself, I wouldn't mind a nice sharp cheaper LCD, which are around. |
| [20:49:00] | justinh: | wouldn't do mpeg2 SDTV on a screen bigger than 32" without a really good deblocking filter |
| [20:49:08] | black_Nightmare_: | toxicity..heh...I'm not sure you really want know the mhz's I have here (yes, mhz not ghz) .. I've never cared much anyway |
| [20:49:30] | Miranda: | iamlindoro, If cost wasnt an issue, would you go with the 150 series or the 500 series PVR? |
| [20:49:40] | Toxicity999: | black_Nightmare_ =P my Mythbox is a 933MHz P3 =P |
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| [20:49:42] | justinh: | mchou: yeah. pity about the lack of HD TV sources. we have two providers. One costs a lot of cash (and still doesn't have much HD content anyway) and the other has ONE channel of HD content |
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| [20:49:53] | mchou: | Miranda: neither |
| [20:49:53] | black_Nightmare_: | toxicity....you really want to know then? :p |
| [20:50:02] | iamlindoro: | Miranda, tough to imagine cost not being an issue... but if you ever anticipate recording more than one thing at once, or recording one while watching another, then get the 500 |
| [20:50:16] | Toxicity999: | I've used way less, it came with a 733MHz and that was fast for us back when it was the desktop. |
| [20:50:23] | Miranda: | mchou, cost *IS* an issue, so I have to pick from sources <$100 USD |
| [20:50:25] | mchou: | Miranda: theres little reason to get pvr-x50 in the US when analog gets turned off |
| [20:50:30] | black_Nightmare_: | cost not an issue? hmm I'll order my very own custom designed pci card ;) |
| [20:50:39] | mchou: | Miranda: like next year |
| [20:50:41] | benben: | Miranda: nova-t 500? |
| [20:50:50] | benben: | i'm using that, no complaints |
| [20:50:50] | Miranda: | mchou, that's only for broadcast sources, cable will stay analog for the time being, at least |
| [20:51:03] | Miranda: | benben, more than one tuner input? |
| [20:51:11] | mchou: | Miranda: rent a cable STB would be your best bet |
| [20:51:15] | Toxicity999: | Here's hoping that digital cable costs go down when it becomes the standard |
| [20:51:17] | iamlindoro: | Miranda: You can still use the pvr-150s and 500s just fine with cable boxes, and cable is not required to go digital next year |
| [20:51:23] | iamlindoro: | Miranda: beat me to it ;) |
| [20:51:25] | mchou: | Miranda: and use the STB firewire |
| [20:51:26] | benben: | Miranda: just one physical input, dual tuners onboard |
| [20:51:26] | Toxicity999: | (for cable) |
| [20:51:27] | Miranda: | iamlindoro, yeah, :) |
| [20:51:34] | black_Nightmare_: | toxicity...okkaayyy... G3/266, slot1/300A (although might try locate 400/433mhz upgrade), and looking to eventually find a desk G3/233–300mhz soon ;) |
| [20:51:38] | justinh: | don't think UK analogue cable has been turned off yet.. |
| [20:51:50] | Toxicity999: | black_Nightmare_ nice. |
| [20:51:51] | Miranda: | benben, hmm... |
| [20:51:55] | Miranda: | benben, how much $$$? |
| [20:52:00] | justinh: | wonder what'll happen to all the old Jerrold boxes :P |
| [20:52:01] | mchou: | Miranda: that's the best of digital and analog worldds :) |
| [20:52:13] | black_Nightmare_: | this is why I like being in canada better than usa btw ... too many areas are too far away to even get any kind of cable and satellite is still expensive for many so hence you can imagine that the antennas still get a big use |
| [20:52:18] | mchou: | Miranda: the cableco digital STB |
| [20:52:19] | Toxicity999: | once we go digital OTA, I might pick up a powerful indoor receiver for HD/SD |
| [20:52:20] | black_Nightmare_: | to our own of course tho I guess |
| [20:52:26] | benben: | Miranda: about $100 |
| [20:52:38] | benben: | well, £50 |
| [20:52:39] | benben: | :) |
| [20:52:42] | Miranda: | mchou, I have no need for digital at the moment, cable is not required to go digital in '09 |
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| [20:52:49] | iamlindoro: | Miranda: the nova-t is for DVB-t, that's not for us |
| [20:53:00] | iamlindoro: | Miranda: Useless in US |
| [20:53:05] | Miranda: | iamlindoro, ahh, boo, was just about to google it :( |
| [20:53:06] | mchou: | Miranda: that's cause you havent tried digtal on even an analog set :) |
| [20:53:25] | mchou: | Miranda: digital signal is cleaner than RF |
| [20:53:33] | justinh: | I read somewhere that in the US analogue can look as bad as hotel tv. that's bad |
| [20:53:33] | xand: | without digital I get a whole four channels! |
| [20:53:36] | Miranda: | mchou, it also costs more. |
| [20:53:48] | iamlindoro: | justinh: It's bad indeed ;) |
| [20:53:49] | mchou: | Miranda: How does it cost more? |
| [20:53:55] | justinh: | crosshatch lines & stuff. eew |
| [20:54:00] | Miranda: | iamlindoro, so I'm back to the PVR 500 series? |
| [20:54:02] | black_Nightmare_: | four? just what kind are these four usually? |
| [20:54:09] | justinh: | how did people put up with that? |
| [20:54:16] | iamlindoro: | Miranda: Yes, PVR-whatevers are the most commonly used analog cards |
| [20:54:16] | Miranda: | mchou, Rental on the box, and now with digital you have to pay for the digital tier programming. |
| [20:54:17] | xand: | BBC1, BBC2, ITV and Channel4 |
| [20:54:22] | mchou: | Miranda: I'm subscribed on limited Basic and I get digital channels ($14/mo.) |
| [20:54:29] | iamlindoro: | Miranda: and the best supported |
| [20:54:38] | justinh: | xand: and after 2012 you won't even get those 4 anymore :) |
| [20:54:42] | Miranda: | mchou, What provider? |
| [20:54:50] | ** xand doesn't have to pay some silly subscription for digital TV (apart from TV License >.<) ** | |
| [20:54:58] | mchou: | Miranda: there is no need to go to any digital tier to get digaital programming |
| [20:55:03] | justinh: | tvlicense FTW! |
| [20:55:08] | mchou: | Miranda: comcast |
| [20:55:10] | xand: | justinh: good, maybe they'll improve the freeview signal |
| [20:55:16] | black_Nightmare_: | its about 7–9 here (there used to be some more years ago..not to mention the one that used to usually host xena/etc too) |
| [20:55:27] | benben: | sigh, ubuntu pisses me right off sometimes |
| [20:55:38] | black_Nightmare_: | the last two are somewhat weather dependant (even if I have the stubborn booster in use) |
| [20:55:40] | iamlindoro: | justinh: There's been a gradual but steady slip in analog channel quality, and digital doesn't offer much improvement in quality for SD channels, they're so shoddily/heavily compressed |
| [20:55:46] | justinh: | xand: it's planned to. they're only operating digital services on about 5% of total analogue power. it's reckoned to increase to 15% or more |
| [20:55:52] | mchou: | Miranda: that's a misconception you have to get some digital tier to get digital programming |
| [20:55:54] | iamlindoro: | justinh: I think people have just become accustomed to TV looking like shit |
| [20:56:00] | Miranda: | mchou, say that again? I"m logging now so I can check on that |
| [20:56:01] | xand: | justinh: why not... 100% |
| [20:56:12] | justinh: | iamlindoro: UK analogue PAL is better than DVD quality |
| [20:56:23] | Miranda: | mchou, what package is $15 a month? |
| [20:56:24] | justinh: | xand: they don't need to |
| [20:56:25] | mchou: | Miranda: in fact the FCC specifically forbids a separate digital tier of Network programming |
| [20:56:35] | mchou: | s/of/for |
| [20:56:41] | xand: | justinh: though it'll apparently be limited here due to french proximity |
| [20:56:48] | mchou: | Miranda: "limited basic" |
| [20:56:54] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Should have been more exact, people *here* have become accustomed to bTV looking like shit :) Only those of us who communicate abroad or travel know what we're missing... and I'm personally bitter |
| [20:57:17] | Miranda: | mchou, do you need to pay for rental on the box? |
| [20:57:17] | justinh: | xand: they always did have to take 'co-channel interference' into account. hence all the channel groups |
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| [20:57:21] | mchou: | Miranda: that's basically the cheapest tier you can get |
| [20:57:24] | xand: | the worst quality digital channels are NTSC converted ones |
| [20:57:29] | xand: | from the 1980s/90s |
| [20:57:35] | mchou: | Miranda: yup, additional $5/mo, that's it |
| [20:57:37] | justinh: | yellowtelly! yay! |
| [20:57:52] | xand: | justinh: and why there's no channel 5 broadcast here (terrible!) |
| [20:58:03] | justinh: | that's why The Simpsons are all yellow y'know. NTSC flesh tones :D |
| [20:58:06] | mchou: | so I get digital programming for a networks for <$20/mo. |
| [20:58:18] | mchou: | s/a/all |
| [20:58:30] | jhulst: | mchou: Some places you don't even need the box if you have a digital tuner |
| [20:58:45] | justinh: | aaaand with digital you US folks won't have to touch your Hue controls. Unless you like people to look green/blue of course |
| [20:58:55] | mchou: | jhulst: true that. BuT I assume Miranda wants to record :) |
| [20:59:19] | jhulst: | mchou: Well, if she's buying a capture card... |
| [20:59:41] | mchou: | jhulst: and recording from firewire is way easier than buying some analog crap :) |
| [20:59:58] | jhulst: | mchou: Well, if it's not encrypted :) |
| [21:00:34] | mchou: | limited basic means you get nthing that's encrypted anyways :) |
| [21:00:40] | mchou: | nothing* |
| [21:00:58] | jhulst: | So get a digital capture card, and you're in :) |
| [21:01:06] | mchou: | basically all the big public networks and HSN :) |
| [21:01:24] | jhulst: | Right, I have the basic through Comcast as well |
| [21:01:34] | mchou: | jhulst: no, digital capture cards cost around $90 |
| [21:01:45] | hexxington: | that's a lot |
| [21:01:50] | hexxington: | a nova-t is about £20 |
| [21:02:07] | mchou: | that will be equivalent to renting a STB for 1.5 years at current rates |
| [21:02:08] | jhulst: | Well, if you're renting a box for $5 a month, you may make that up |
| [21:02:17] | xand: | nova-t 500 is about $90 |
| [21:02:21] | xand: | and dual tuner |
| [21:03:55] | Miranda: | xand, but it's not for NTSC |
| [21:04:09] | Miranda: | xand, at least that's what *they* say |
| [21:04:35] | mchou: | Miranda: the key here is to not get NTSC (but ATSC/QAM) :) |
| [21:04:47] | mchou: | Miranda: digital is the wave of the future :) |
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| [21:05:00] | mchou: | NTSC is analog |
| [21:05:04] | Miranda: | mchou, gah, all this newfangled nonsense :) |
| [21:05:13] | xand: | no, it's DVB so won't work in america |
| [21:05:21] | mchou: | Miranda: no, I'm being somewhat serious |
| [21:05:29] | mchou: | forget NTSC |
| [21:05:50] | Miranda: | mchou, I know, thanks for the clarification.. I hadn't had that ephiphany yet ..(seriously) |
| [21:05:56] | mchou: | even if you have an "old" TV digital will be way clearer |
| [21:06:11] | Miranda: | so I'm looking for ATSC/QAM |
| [21:06:16] | Miranda: | if I want digital |
| [21:06:25] | Miranda: | but it can't be DVB |
| [21:06:34] | Miranda: | can it be ATSC and DVB also? |
| [21:06:39] | Miranda: | is there such a beast? |
| [21:06:41] | mchou: | or a set top box from cableco :) |
| [21:06:50] | jhulst: | pcHDTV HD-5500 or HD Homerun |
| [21:07:04] | Miranda: | but the set top box would have to be firewire |
| [21:07:07] | jhulst: | More than the $100, but.. |
| [21:07:11] | mchou: | jhulst: forget pcHDTV |
| [21:07:17] | jhulst: | mchou: yeah? |
| [21:07:21] | Miranda: | mchou, framegrabber? |
| [21:07:26] | mchou: | the korean brand is better and cheaper |
| [21:07:35] | jhulst: | mchou: which brand is that? |
| [21:07:41] | mchou: | I forget the brand name atm |
| [21:07:48] | Miranda: | haha, I thought I just figured out analog encoders, and now I'm seriously considering digital |
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| [21:08:26] | hexxington: | analog's neat. just like that "popped corn" they just invented |
| [21:08:44] | Miranda: | I may still go analog for now...and "consider" digital when the time comes |
| [21:09:31] | xand: | I found recorded analog to be horrible on my old wintv cards |
| [21:09:46] | mchou: | Miranda: trust me, I think that will be a mistake |
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| [21:09:58] | Arfdee: | can someone point me to the best mythlink.sh script? |
| [21:10:03] | Arfdee: | some of them work, some of them don't, etc |
| [21:10:10] | mchou: | Miranda: just rent the STB until you figure out what you NEED to do |
| [21:10:29] | mchou: | Miranda: that will be cheapest while you figure it out |
| [21:11:02] | mchou: | Dont spend good money on analog capture cards at this point |
| [21:11:23] | Arfdee: | Miranda, don't bother listening to mchou, he's a doofus |
| [21:11:34] | Arfdee: | i mean, you can, but just for kicks |
| [21:11:41] | Yahooadam: | wtf? gtfo Arfdee |
| [21:11:41] | mchou: | Arfdee: and who the heck are you? |
| [21:12:08] | ** black_Nightmare_ kicks arfdee for mchou ** | |
| [21:12:09] | Yahooadam: | I agree with mchou, analogue capture cards are expensive, and pretty much past their shelf life |
| [21:12:11] | Arfdee: | the attack of the acronyms! |
| [21:12:38] | Miranda: | hmm |
| [21:12:39] | black_Nightmare_: | yahooadam...what about in rural area where you don't want to bother with satellite yet tho? I guess there's always a market yet |
| [21:12:45] | Miranda: | afk to go home |
| [21:12:50] | Miranda: | i'll brb |
| [21:12:56] | Arfdee: | Miranda, win tv pvr mce is good |
| [21:12:57] | Arfdee: | 150 |
| [21:13:00] | Arfdee: | 150 mce |
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| [21:13:03] | justinh: | I'd only add that in the UK it's only worth buying an analogue card (and a hardware encoding one at that) to record from cable/satellite where there's no other alternative available (e.g. VirginMedia & Sky) |
| [21:13:04] | Arfdee: | you can get it for cheap |
| [21:13:04] | mchou: | Miranda: plus renting the STB will give you a good idea what digital looks like even on an old TV |
| [21:13:10] | Yahooadam: | im not saying dont buy one, im just saying, if your not sure, dont buy one |
| [21:13:19] | jhulst: | We are getting notices that Comcast is going to being phasing out all analog channels in the next few months, all public access is leaving this month |
| [21:13:32] | mchou: | jhulst: really?? |
| [21:13:39] | mchou: | jhulst: where is this? |
| [21:13:46] | jhulst: | mchou: Grand Rapids MI |
| [21:13:55] | mchou: | jhulst: interesting |
| [21:13:58] | jhulst: | They are giving out free Converter boxes for a year |
| [21:14:00] | justinh: | I thought about public access the other week – wonder what'll become of it, what with youtube et all |
| [21:14:00] | Arfdee: | 2009 |
| [21:14:28] | Arfdee: | anyone use mythlink.sh? |
| [21:14:35] | black_Nightmare_: | yahooadam..hmm true on that |
| [21:14:46] | justinh: | Arfdee: it because mythrename.pl a long time ago |
| [21:14:54] | Arfdee: | ohhh |
| [21:15:00] | Yahooadam: | the USA and UK are going to be phasing out Analogue from now until 2012 i think |
| [21:15:00] | Arfdee: | thx |
| [21:15:04] | Yahooadam: | (atleast) |
| [21:15:14] | justinh: | if your friendly local package creator has a brain in their head they'll have included it in the packages |
| [21:15:19] | Yahooadam: | so make sure you really want one if your going to get one |
| [21:15:23] | hexxington: | shock horror, i agree with mchou. analog's a crock of shit |
| [21:15:35] | justinh: | Arfdee: mythrename.pl --link $dirname |
| [21:15:53] | mchou: | jhulst: where is the linux dvb page that lists cards that work on linux? |
| [21:16:00] | justinh: | hexxington: analogue PAL is vastly superior to the digital crap we've got now |
| [21:16:17] | hexxington: | justinh, not if you get the reception i do |
| [21:16:26] | Yahooadam: | mchou – v4l-dvb? |
| [21:16:26] | justinh: | sparkly here :) |
| [21:16:27] | xand: | that varies depending on channel/program |
| [21:16:45] | jhulst: | mchou: not sure |
| [21:16:53] | justinh: | I think I'd rather watch snowy video than macroblock crap |
| [21:17:04] | justinh: | digital != quality :D |
| [21:17:20] | xand: | so... if you have sky or virgin cable, can you hook your mythtv box directly to it? or do you have to use the sky/virgin box to tune channels in? |
| [21:17:24] | justinh: | people bandy those words around like they mean the same |
| [21:17:24] | jhulst: | but digital + HD = quality :) |
| [21:17:26] | mchou: | jhulst: ahh, I remember know, the korean brand is DVico |
| [21:17:33] | justinh: | xand: NO |
| [21:17:37] | hexxington: | xand, ir blaster plus STB |
| [21:17:38] | black_Nightmare_: | justinh..thats why I don't want to bother with digital especially for out in country...many times the channels come at just a little frizzle but nothing that interrupts viewing the picture or hearing the clear audio track |
| [21:17:44] | xand: | justinh: sounds horrible then |
| [21:17:45] | hexxington: | xand, as far as this channel is concerned, anywauy |
| [21:18:02] | xand: | don't they have any unencrypted channels? |
| [21:18:11] | justinh: | as far as VM's T&C are concerned. and in the case of Sly, their service agreement |
| [21:18:21] | hexxington: | xand, astra2 and eurobird 1 (the sats used by sky) do, yes |
| [21:18:31] | justinh: | xand: according to the rules you're not even allowed to connect your own stuff to the cable or else |
| [21:18:40] | hexxington: | xand, but with both sky and vm t&cs, you cannot use unauthorized receiver kit |
| [21:18:51] | xand: | I see |
| [21:18:57] | justinh: | just opt out. sod all worth watching on pay tv anyway |
| [21:19:00] | hexxington: | ntl are actually pretty heavy on suing if you ignore their rules |
| [21:19:01] | xand: | I can't get cable or sky here anyway |
| [21:19:07] | xand: | so don't care, just wondering |
| [21:19:07] | Arfdee: | justdave, is it so bad not to use --link? |
| [21:19:09] | mchou: | jhulst: DViCO FusionHDTV5 Lite |
| [21:19:13] | Yahooadam: | you are allowed to connect your STB to your mythtv box though, right justinh? |
| [21:19:17] | justinh: | Arfdee: I'm not justdave |
| [21:19:24] | hexxington: | Yahooadam, yes, but it sucks to do so |
| [21:19:26] | justinh: | Yahooadam: yesh |
| [21:19:29] | mchou: | jhulst: HDHomeRun would also be a good choice |
| [21:19:35] | hexxington: | Yahooadam, ir blasting is lame |
| [21:19:37] | jhulst: | mchou: Which is what I have |
| [21:19:51] | Arfdee: | hexxington, not with usb-uirt |
| [21:19:55] | Arfdee: | justinh, ? |
| [21:20:02] | justinh: | Arfdee: it's generally not good to run a program like mythrename.pl without first RTFM'ing |
| [21:20:10] | Arfdee: | yes, i read it |
| [21:20:11] | Arfdee: | but |
| [21:20:21] | Arfdee: | i am wondering about the danger of not symlinking |
| [21:20:23] | Yahooadam: | hexxington – i have my sky box connected to mythtv (was just wondering if it broke T&C's) and IR blasting is annoying, but it works |
| [21:20:25] | Arfdee: | and just having it run once a day |
| [21:20:58] | justinh: | anyway don't see the point in helping anybody who's so quick to insult folks |
| [21:21:19] | hexxington: | Yahooadam, you take digital tv, decode it to low-fidelity analog s-video, then re-encode it again using the same codec it was originally, at a lower bitrate, having pretended to be a tv remote and changed channels. you don't think that's lame? |
| [21:21:22] | Arfdee: | justinh, i wouldn't be either |
| [21:21:48] | Arfdee: | justinh, it seems by default it doesn't rename the pngs |
| [21:21:51] | justinh: | hexxington: better than nothing, but then there's nowt worth watching on Sly that you can't get for free anyway |
| [21:22:13] | xand: | there's only one channel I'd like which I can't get, which is SciFi |
| [21:22:23] | hexxington: | justinh, i will never, not ever, buy into set-top box culture |
| [21:22:30] | hexxington: | justinh, what a crock of shit |
| [21:22:37] | justinh: | scifi isn't worth having either. they showed heroes in letterboxed 4:3 ffs |
| [21:22:52] | Arfdee: | justinh, any reason why i wouldn't just run mythrename.pl by itself once a day? |
| [21:23:19] | hexxington: | who works at tv companies, and do they hate quality? somewhere, someone made a conscious decision to transmit letterboxed 4:3 |
| [21:23:39] | xand: | maybe they clicked the wrong button ;) |
| [21:23:50] | mchou: | Miranda: just keep in mind to buy big hard drives if you go digital :) |
| [21:24:06] | mchou: | Miranda: and that's no joke |
| [21:24:06] | xris: | or it takes work (thus having to pay someone) to add pan/scan to 16:9 data |
| [21:24:06] | justinh: | hexxington: I used to pay for all the extra channels NTL could give me. I got it all set up in mythtv and aside from Star Trek TNG & Mythbusters I didn't bother anything I was paying good money for. In the end we cancelled it |
| [21:24:38] | Yahooadam: | i like SkyOne, SciFi and Paramount comedy |
| [21:24:44] | hexxington: | remind me next week to cancel my TUTV subscription |
| [21:24:44] | Yahooadam: | which you cant get on digital |
| [21:24:54] | xand: | eh |
| [21:24:58] | xand: | you mean freeview? |
| [21:25:05] | justinh: | New simpsons is shite. Scifi is low Quality, and with Paramount Comedy you don't need a DVR |
| [21:25:09] | Arfdee: | justinh, any reason why i wouldn't just run mythrename.pl by itself once a day? |
| [21:25:14] | hexxington: | Yahooadam, they're digital already. astra2, nds encryption, dvb-s |
| [21:26:03] | Yahooadam: | well, i know their digital, but their encrypted, making it illegal/difficult to get them |
| [21:26:17] | hexxington: | Yahooadam, that's an argument between you and the monopoly |
| [21:26:41] | justinh: | if you don't like it, don't buy into it :) |
| [21:26:50] | Arfdee: | justinh, should i ask a third time? |
| [21:27:07] | justinh: | not sure I'd be happy paying for it & not being able to _reliably_ (never mind legally) use it in mythtv |
| [21:27:30] | Yahooadam: | whats unrealiable about it? |
| [21:27:56] | justinh: | getting Sly without going through a STB? oh something about having to update the card in a Sly STB |
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| [21:28:11] | justinh: | at 'some point' – i.e. when it stops working |
| [21:28:18] | Yahooadam: | ahh |
| [21:28:37] | justinh: | there's not much going for it |
| [21:28:42] | Yahooadam: | well, i assume if you were getting sly direct, you would have cracked the encryption and wouldnt be using the card? |
| [21:28:43] | Arfdee: | justinh, any reason why i wouldn't just run mythrename.pl by itself once a day? |
| [21:29:00] | justinh: | nobody ever has |
| [21:29:49] | justinh: | believe me it's the holy grail for a lot of people, and even folks I know who know people very active in the 'underground' haven't got a clue about it |
| [21:30:20] | justinh: | so you can't even if you want to, which you shouldn't, and I'm not condoning |
| [21:30:28] | hexxington: | i'll alert my haxx0r friend |
| [21:30:35] | hexxington: | who broke the last itunes drm |
| [21:31:11] | justinh: | we're all gonna be royally done over if quantum computer ever catches on |
| [21:31:16] | Arfdee: | justinh, any reason why i wouldn't just run mythrename.pl by itself once a day? |
| [21:31:27] | justinh: | no reading of keys then. oh boy |
| [21:31:35] | hexxington: | justinh, wrong. we're going to be both royally done over and fine, at the same time |
| [21:31:56] | justinh: | yeah we'll be just aswell protected as everybody else |
| [21:32:10] | justinh: | but that won't mean much |
| [21:32:12] | xand: | Arfdee: stop that |
| [21:32:17] | Arfdee: | xand, stop what? |
| [21:32:26] | xand: | saying the same thing over and over |
| [21:32:33] | Arfdee: | xand, ask him to answer my question |
| [21:32:36] | xand: | no |
| [21:32:40] | Arfdee: | well then |
| [21:32:41] | hexxington: | justinh ignores questions directed to him that anyone else could answer |
| [21:32:52] | Yahooadam: | justinh – i wonder if the government will ban them :p |
| [21:32:53] | Arfdee: | no, justinh actually put me on ignore |
| [21:32:55] | justinh: | I ignore people who ping me too |
| [21:33:00] | Arfdee: | after making a silly assumption |
| [21:33:13] | xand: | well then, why bother keep asking? |
| [21:33:18] | justinh: | not very mature I know but I gots to gets my kicks |
| [21:33:23] | Arfdee: | xand, why, to get an answer, of course |
| [21:33:26] | iamlindoro_: | Just makes the *rest* of us want to ignor |
| [21:33:28] | iamlindoro_: | ignore |
| [21:33:38] | xand: | if you know someone has you on ignore, they WON'T SEE IT |
| [21:33:48] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [21:33:52] | Yahooadam: | so true xand |
| [21:33:55] | Arfdee: | justinh assumed i said what i did to mchou for no reason |
| [21:34:06] | Arfdee: | when in fact i've seen him act like an idiot to people on a regular basis |
| [21:34:14] | Arfdee: | so it was certainly not a premature comment |
| [21:34:16] | Yahooadam: | yeah but he earned it |
| [21:34:16] | justinh: | reverse psycology.. whoops. I got mixed up. that's a reverse psycosis |
| [21:34:36] | ** hexxington thinks there's a lack of productivity goin' on right now ** | |
| [21:34:37] | mchou: | Arfdee: wow, you're brilliant |
| [21:34:43] | Yahooadam: | your 3rd line after joining IRC was a bash at somone |
| [21:34:44] | Arfdee: | mchou, thanks |
| [21:34:57] | mchou: | Arfdee: you have no idea |
| [21:34:59] | Arfdee: | Yahooadam, i came to ask a question |
| [21:35:01] | Arfdee: | and i asked it |
| [21:35:06] | Arfdee: | and then i saw mchou being himself |
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| [21:35:21] | mchou: | Arfdee: apparently you're way out of your league |
| [21:35:27] | hexxington: | mchou's often detached from reality, but he's right that analog's a crock of shit |
| [21:35:46] | hexxington: | anyway, r.e. mythrename, run it daily if you want, but be aware that if it breaks, fixing things becomes rather hellish |
| [21:35:47] | mchou: | hexxington: how am I detached from reality? |
| [21:35:51] | Arfdee: | hexxington, that may be true, but how many stupid things does a person have to say before you consider them a doofus? |
| [21:35:58] | hexxington: | fixing mythrename'd files after a file system oops is icky |
| [21:35:59] | Arfdee: | hexxington, uh oh, you hit a nerve! |
| [21:36:14] | Arfdee: | hexxington, yeah, i can see that |
| [21:36:46] | Yahooadam: | just use --link and your fine :s |
| [21:36:48] | mchou: | Arfdee: apparently you can't differentiate between idiocy and sense |
| [21:36:57] | Arfdee: | mchou, no, i can clearly tell you are a doofus |
| [21:37:06] | mchou: | Arfdee: prove it |
| [21:37:08] | hexxington: | isn't that a crappy korean mmorpg? |
| [21:37:25] | Arfdee: | mchou, you are doing that for me |
| [21:37:27] | Yahooadam: | hexxington was that aimed at me? |
| [21:37:32] | mchou: | Arfdee: haha!! |
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| [21:37:39] | iamlindoro_: | Idiocy and Sense and Sensibility? |
| [21:37:46] | Arfdee: | i actually was curious why the .pngs are not renamed |
| [21:37:49] | hexxington: | http://www.dofus.com/ |
| [21:37:49] | Arfdee: | but apparently that does not matter |
| [21:37:58] | Yahooadam: | uh oh, jams has put on his +o hat :p |
| [21:38:00] | Arfdee: | oh wait, yes it does |
| [21:38:16] | mchou: | Arfdee: after people who would otherwise disagree with me kicked YOU for me? |
| [21:38:40] | Yahooadam: | wow i can actually see my will to live slipping away :p |
| [21:38:46] | xand: | Yahooadam: there there |
| [21:38:54] | Arfdee: | mchou, sorry, not interested in popularity contests |
| [21:39:00] | Arfdee: | i am satisfied pointing out that you are a doofus |
| [21:39:04] | mchou: | Arfdee: just think about what that means for a sec. |
| [21:39:55] | mchou: | Arfdee: who's more the doofus, the doofus or the one that gets kicked calling the doofus a doofus? |
| [21:40:01] | iamlindoro_: | This all sounds like talking to Dr. Sbaitso... ayone remember Dr. Sbaitso? |
| [21:40:03] | Arfdee: | i wasn't aware i got kicked |
| [21:40:09] | hexxington: | iamlindoro, is he like dr seuss? |
| [21:40:14] | justinh: | been a while since I had a good slang with somebody as a matter of fact. I'm still sarcastic. There's nobody gonna take that away from me |
| [21:40:31] | mchou: | Arfdee: (13:11:41) Yahooadam: wtf? gtfo Arfdee |
| [21:40:31] | mchou: | (13:12:09) black_Nightmare_: kicks arfdee for mchou |
| [21:40:32] | hexxington: | justinh, we all love your manic depressive ass too much |
| [21:40:39] | iamlindoro_: | hexxington: It was this voice synth program that came with the original Sound Blaster |
| [21:40:52] | hexxington: | iamlindoro_, i started with sb16 |
| [21:40:54] | iamlindoro_: | hexxington: It was a very very basic AI-type therapist |
| [21:40:56] | ** Arfdee slaps mchou with a large trout ** | |
| [21:40:59] | jams: | iamlindoro- most fun |
| [21:40:59] | Arfdee: | derrr |
| [21:41:12] | iamlindoro_: | You would go, "I hate my mother." And it would reply, "And how does that make you feel?" |
| [21:41:21] | justinh: | manic depressive? eeks |
| [21:41:27] | mchou: | Arfdee: you're no Beirdo |
| [21:41:36] | Yahooadam: | iamlindoro – that sounds cool :p |
| [21:41:37] | hexxington: | iamlindoro_, yay for sticking eliza on a crappy voice synth |
| [21:41:47] | mchou: | Arfdee: you're too puny to even lift a trout |
| [21:41:47] | iamlindoro_: | hexxington: More or less :) |
| [21:42:03] | mchou: | Arfdee: never mind a large one |
| [21:42:08] | hexxington: | wife's new pc should arrive by the weekend \o/ |
| [21:42:16] | Arfdee: | it sure is strange that it doesn't rename the pngs |
| [21:42:40] | hexxington: | i think the pngs are created by mythweb, and are recreated with the new filename when you re-visit with mythweb |
| [21:42:52] | hexxington: | the old ones sit & fester & take up disk space |
| [21:42:55] | Arfdee: | oh |
| [21:42:59] | Arfdee: | so i should nuke the pngs |
| [21:43:01] | Arfdee: | thx sir |
| [21:43:11] | justinh: | just do a nightly rm -rf of the recording dir on a cron job. |
| [21:43:27] | Yahooadam: | rm -rf / :p |
| [21:43:27] | Arfdee: | justinh, i think you intended that for mchou |
| [21:43:48] | justinh: | Yahooadam: there's a bug in that. it only tries to run once & even then doesn't complete |
| [21:43:49] | iamlindoro_: | make sure to name the script RIAAjob.sh, since that's what they'd like to do anyway |
| [21:43:52] | iamlindoro_: | er MPAAjob.sh |
| [21:43:57] | hexxington: | justinh, could be worse. most armchair-diagnosis on the interwebs is of arseburgers syndrome |
| [21:44:13] | justinh: | LOOK AT ME!!!!!! |
| [21:44:14] | justinh: | ;) |
| [21:44:21] | Arfdee: | wow i have a 1.4 gb file from 2006 |
| [21:44:25] | Arfdee: | some livetv thing i bet |
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| [21:44:31] | Arfdee: | i should clean out this dir more often |
| [21:44:36] | justinh: | or is that something else. damn my ego. it'll be the death of my sanity one day |
| [21:44:36] | xand: | 1.4GB? |
| [21:44:43] | Arfdee: | yes |
| [21:44:45] | hexxington: | that's what, a short tv show on the beeb? |
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| [21:44:47] | Arfdee: | some .mpg |
| [21:44:53] | Yahooadam: | 1.6Gb – whoopty, thats like 1.5hrs recording |
| [21:44:53] | xand: | most of my recordings are at least 1GB |
| [21:45:11] | justinh: | looking on the bright side, it could be worse. I could have long hair, a beard & smell like a camel |
| [21:45:11] | jamesd_: | it surprised me how fast mythtv can chew up disk space... first day was enough to eat 16GB... now i gave it 78 GB... more on the way. |
| [21:45:40] | mchou: | jamesd_: you gotta be kidding me |
| [21:45:41] | hexxington: | justinh, you could have emo hair and work at starbucks |
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| [21:45:45] | xand: | Arfdee: a 2:15 recording from BBC1 is 5.7GB |
| [21:45:51] | ** benben has a dedicated 750GB drive :p ** | |
| [21:46:02] | hexxington: | xand, that's on their top bandwidth rate though, most of their shows don't go that high |
| [21:46:02] | mchou: | jamesd_: you need to go up by at least one order of magnitude |
| [21:46:05] | Yahooadam: | i have a dedicated 500gb drive, but it lasts less then a month :( |
| [21:46:06] | Arfdee: | xand, it was probably some livetv thing 2 years ago |
| [21:46:20] | justinh: | leave emo kids alone. at least they're not chavs! |
| [21:46:33] | Yahooadam: | chav, where where, get the shotgun |
| [21:46:34] | xand: | hexxington: the ones I have recorded tend to be :| |
| [21:46:37] | jamesd_: | mchou, yeah i know... i have 1.5 TB of raidz storage on the way... 250GB or more will be dedicated to mythtv |
| [21:46:55] | hexxington: | xand, well, the easy solution is to lower your standards and record more low b/w crap |
| [21:46:56] | mchou: | jamesd_: 250GB, that's it? |
| [21:47:01] | Yahooadam: | when mythtv 2.21 comes ill probably upgrade to 2tb |
| [21:47:01] | hexxington: | xand, especially from channel 5! |
| [21:47:02] | xand: | I'm gonna order a pair of 500GB disks mainly for mythtv |
| [21:47:07] | xand: | hexxington: no! |
| [21:47:17] | iamlindoro_: | Myth 2.21 ought to come about 2036 |
| [21:47:25] | ** hexxington has 2TB of disks in his myth system ** | |
| [21:47:35] | xand: | I have 20GB in my mythtv box ;) |
| [21:47:35] | hexxington: | 8-disk raid5 |
| [21:47:48] | justinh: | went to the shop earlier & I swear these days it's like a competition of who's got the most stretched forehead & the biggest earrings among all the lasses. it's funny |
| [21:47:48] | mchou: | hexxington: there is no way you can watch that much TV |
| [21:47:52] | jamesd_: | mchou, give me a break, its only my second day with mythtv.... may get more in time.... just got program guide today... |
| [21:47:53] | xand: | storage lives in my server |
| [21:48:16] | Arfdee: | wow, this channel has a horrible duplicate policy |
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| [21:48:23] | hexxington: | mchou, indeed. but it's got more than just mythtv stuff on it. and whilst i can't watch that much, wives have an ability to record all sorts of shit |
| [21:48:27] | xand: | justinh: don't shop at ASDA then :P |
| [21:48:36] | mchou: | hexxington: you mormon??? |
| [21:48:47] | mchou: | hexxington: wiVES??? |
| [21:48:51] | hexxington: | justinh, it's precisely a contest for that! |
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| [21:48:55] | xand: | hexxington and his 6 wives. |
| [21:48:57] | justinh: | xand: actually any shop in Oldham is like that. even sainsbury's |
| [21:49:19] | xand: | justinh: depressing |
| [21:49:22] | hexxington: | all the goths go to waitrose |
| [21:49:26] | justinh: | that's Oldham |
| [21:49:26] | benben: | do you have to wear a stab vest too? |
| [21:49:37] | jamesd_: | hmm 6 wifes... that means he needs at least 6 tuners in his myth box.... and that doesn't even cover his needs. |
| [21:49:38] | hexxington: | oldham, land of 1001 riots |
| [21:49:40] | justinh: | only go to Oldham if I can't make it into town |
| [21:49:48] | justinh: | and NEVER for a night out |
| [21:50:06] | justinh: | reminds me too much of my home town. rough as a badger's.. |
| [21:50:07] | benben: | sounds grim |
| [21:50:32] | xand: | sounds northern <ducks> |
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| [21:50:39] | justinh: | see call me weird but I go out to have a drink & a good time. not a fight a minute |
| [21:50:43] | hexxington: | i used to live near aylesbury, whose two claims to fame are 1) it had its own mini-riots the same time as the last big ones in oldham and 2) the "beating an old man viciously" scene from a clockwork orange was filmed in an underpass there, as it was the bleakest urban wasteland kubrick could find |
| [21:50:58] | xand: | lol |
| [21:50:58] | justinh: | hexxington: niiice |
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| [21:51:17] | hexxington: | justinh, they re-did the underpass, it's nice with a mosaic and stuff now |
| [21:51:32] | justinh: | xand: yeah I suppose slapping each other in the face with gloves doesn't count as fighting where I live |
| [21:51:55] | xand: | hexxington: too many people recognised it from the film? |
| [21:52:29] | justinh: | guy got stabbed to death for refusing to give someone a light near here last year ffs |
| [21:52:50] | hexxington: | xand, embarrassment i expect |
| [21:53:46] | benben: | i'm going to give into the temptation of buying a blu ray/hd drive :( |
| [21:54:41] | hexxington: | benben, set-top, or for your peecee? |
| [21:55:06] | Yahooadam: | hd-dvd drive do you mean? |
| [21:55:09] | hexxington: | benben, i'd wait a little. hd-dvd is in its death throes, current movies will doubtless be re-issued |
| [21:55:13] | benben: | for my mythbox |
| [21:55:25] | benben: | i guess |
| [21:55:33] | hexxington: | benben, you can't seamlessly play either yet. you need to rip first |
| [21:55:37] | benben: | well, i thought i might be ok if i get a drive capable of both |
| [21:55:38] | justinh: | oh nifty. one of the guys who started a riot in oldham was from a few streets away. nice |
| [21:55:49] | hexxington: | and almost none of the audio formats work in linux |
| [21:55:55] | xand: | someone got murdered here about 10 years ago |
| [21:56:01] | hexxington: | benben, costs twice as much, ans hd-dvd is history |
| [21:56:07] | benben: | ah, fair enough hexxington – be worth waiting then |
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| [21:56:22] | justinh: | whatever happened to SACD? |
| [21:56:28] | mchou: | haha |
| [21:56:30] | justinh: | and dvd-audio come to think about it |
| [21:56:36] | mchou: | it's still around |
| [21:56:46] | hexxington: | justinh, they exist. the high end ps3 consoles play them |
| [21:56:50] | mchou: | still can get SACD titles |
| [21:56:51] | hexxington: | justinh, no bugger makes/sells them though |
| [21:57:00] | hexxington: | benben, a blu-ray reader is <£90 |
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| [21:57:41] | hexxington: | actually, combo readers have come down to only £140 |
| [21:57:42] | Yahooadam: | Where my grandma lives, one of the men a few houses away drove a car into a tree (and died) they went into his house and found his wife with an axe in her head |
| [21:57:42] | mchou: | actualyy, dvd audio might not be bad for multi-cd sets |
| [21:57:49] | mchou: | actually* |
| [21:57:55] | benben: | so hexxington, whats going to happen to hd-dvd stuff? |
| [21:58:10] | justinh: | do they sell them in shops frequented only by people akin to this guy? http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:QgMSbce2N . . . /exeter2.jpg |
| [21:58:11] | mchou: | Yahooadam: where is this? |
| [21:58:15] | benben: | it gets phased out? |
| [21:58:32] | hexxington: | benben, i think that'll be what happens, once assorted cash-based backhanders expire |
| [21:58:37] | Yahooadam: | near chichester i think |
| [21:59:02] | hexxington: | benben, sales are about 3:1, with only 2 studios doing hd-dvd still |
| [22:01:06] | tank-man: | ive hated hddvd/bluray since i saw a guy buying hddvd at bestbuy while driving around on a segway |
| [22:02:24] | ** xand has never seen any hd-dvd or bluray discs including in shops c.c ** | |
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| [22:03:42] | ** jamesd_ wonders is it normal to think "holy crap, this picture is awesome", several times an hour and this is day 2 with mythtv ** | |
| [22:03:47] | xand: | or the image from them... maybe that's why i don't see the point in HD video :P |
| [22:04:08] | xand: | jamesd_: I was certainly impressed when I got mythtv |
| [22:05:01] | jamesd_: | damm i love this digital hd tv |
| [22:05:42] | justinh: | I like laughing at people buying HDTVs. best one I saw was the xmas before last. a guy & his son couldn't fit it into their car. so they took it out of the box & began to slide it into the back of their estate car. they paused, one let go & it slid off onto the ground. I had tears in my eyes |
| [22:06:24] | xand: | I used to work in a shop... had some stupid woman buying a huge tv and it wouldn't fit in her car |
| [22:06:28] | jamesd_: | i wont have that problem... my wife has only ok'd upto 42" ... i was hoping to get 46 |
| [22:06:37] | xand: | this was in CRT days though |
| [22:06:58] | xand: | I have only a 21" CRT, non-WS :( |
| [22:07:16] | jamesd_: | but it will be hella better than the current 27" crt tv. |
| [22:07:47] | justinh: | seen forum posts from people peed off that their Sly HD box is pillarboxing 4:3 content, effectively making their screen size smaller than their last set :P |
| [22:08:11] | hexxington: | i want to buy a particular tv unit that limits me to 42" – and only certain brands of 42" |
| [22:08:41] | xand: | I don't see the point in anything that big unless you have a huge room to put it in |
| [22:09:01] | justinh: | and since talking our dog walking around the nearby streets I've begun to think that a lot of people are going to end up with very stiff necks watching panel TVs on the wall above their fireplace. oof |
| [22:09:06] | jamesd_: | i'm currently using my 22" lcd monitor... and even my wife likes it better than the 27" crt... because of digital tv and myth. |
| [22:09:27] | xand: | yeah I watch most stuff on my LCD monitor c.c |
| [22:09:36] | xand: | mainly because my lounge is too full of junk |
| [22:10:14] | clever: | jams: when i watch sd on the tv it looks fine |
| [22:10:17] | clever: | jamesd_: i mean |
| [22:10:23] | hexxington: | xand, i'd love a bigger set for gaming |
| [22:10:29] | clever: | jamesd_: but when i watch SD on the computer monitor it looks like youtube! |
| [22:10:31] | ** xand hardly plays any games ** | |
| [22:10:46] | hexxington: | xand, the way i see it, how much of my vision is used up by the 20" tft on my desk? i want the same vision filling from my tv, which i sit a few M away from |
| [22:10:50] | xand: | that'd mean using Windows! |
| [22:10:52] | jamesd_: | clever, yeah i have to keep telling my self... no this isn't a dvd or something i downloaded.... |
| [22:11:01] | clever: | lol |
| [22:11:19] | clever: | even the SD tv i download looks better then what my pvr-150 records |
| [22:11:35] | clever: | mpeg2 at 1.3gig/hour looks a little worse then xvid at 300mb/hour |
| [22:11:44] | xand: | my mythtv recordings are great |
| [22:12:01] | xand: | (mostly) |
| [22:12:07] | jamesd_: | i have the atcs kworld 115 .... some day i will have to get analog tuner working.. i haven't even bothered.... i dont want to be disapointed... may just get a second tuner instead. |
| [22:12:27] | clever: | i was low on space with a frame grabber so i set my myth to 500mb/hour |
| [22:12:32] | clever: | which is even more youtubeish |
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| [22:12:59] | xand: | I'm so glad I can record the raw mpeg streams... otherwise would be out of CPU power :) |
| [22:13:25] | clever: | the pvr-150 and other hardware encoders have a dedicated chip in the card to compress |
| [22:13:38] | clever: | so it has the same cpu usage as a dvb or firewire method in theory |
| [22:13:43] | xand: | dvb cards mean you have to encode |
| [22:13:46] | xand: | erm, don't have to |
| [22:13:47] | jamesd_: | watching live tv digital is only using about 30% of one cpu core... so i'm good... gotta love dual core opteron. |
| [22:13:57] | clever: | yeah dvb doesnt even encode in your box |
| [22:14:07] | clever: | but a hardware encoder has the same effect on the core cpu |
| [22:14:45] | clever: | i only have one dualcore system |
| [22:14:58] | benben: | so, anyone use multirec? |
| [22:15:05] | clever: | the 400mhz single core plays SD at nearly max load |
| [22:15:23] | xand: | same here, I'm gonna order another dual core cpu and motherboard for my server |
| [22:15:23] | clever: | the core2 duo 1.8ghz is bearly even noticable on the cpu usage graph |
| [22:15:31] | xand: | mythtv box is a P4 2.4GHz |
| [22:15:44] | clever: | single core 1.6ghz takes 50% to decode mpeg2 and 99% to encode |
| [22:15:49] | xand: | an old Dell box I got from work |
| [22:15:59] | jamesd_: | 2.4 ghz dual core opteron + 4GB of ram and nvidia fx1400... |
| [22:16:16] | xand: | oh, with a geforce 5200 ;) |
| [22:16:45] | clever: | xvmc only gives me minor cpu usage reductions |
| [22:16:50] | clever: | and i loose color in my osd |
| [22:17:21] | clever: | so i just shut it back off and went to software decoding |
| [22:19:02] | xand: | o.O |
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| [22:21:30] | jduggan: | ok guys |
| [22:21:52] | jduggan: | ive got a show just started recording |
| [22:22:10] | jduggan: | it doesnt show in media library |
| [22:22:14] | jduggan: | is there a way i can watch it as live tv |
| [22:22:17] | jduggan: | on the same tuner? |
| [22:22:53] | AndyCap: | jduggan: it appers under recordings, but normally live tv recordings are filtered from the view |
| [22:22:56] | clever: | http://www.pastebin.ca/844419 , which of these can handle xvmc and how well? |
| [22:23:37] | jduggan: | AndyCap: but its a recording, i want to attach to that recording to play it, while its recording (its not showing in my recordings) |
| [22:24:14] | AndyCap: | jduggan: if it's not showing in your recordings then somethings odd |
| [22:25:01] | jduggan: | does it show in recordings while its still recording? |
| [22:25:05] | jduggan: | or does it wait until its complete |
| [22:25:13] | xand: | it should show straightaway |
| [22:25:15] | AndyCap: | jduggan: yes. should be in there, in purple |
| [22:25:41] | clever: | red i think on my theme |
| [22:25:49] | hexxington: | you can watch whilst it's still recording if you like |
| [22:25:52] | jduggan: | ok, because manage recordings -> up coming recordings shows the show |
| [22:26:07] | jduggan: | but my recordings doesnt show it as a show |
| [22:26:43] | xand: | mplayer /var/lib/mplayer/recordings/blah.mpg :D |
| [22:27:03] | clever: | ls -ltr /var/lib/mythtv/ |
| [22:27:42] | xand: | I have a script that runs every 10 minutes and symlinks /var/lib/mplayer/recordings/blah.mpg to /mythtv/Title/Title – Subtitle (Date).mpg c.c |
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| [22:28:13] | clever: | there is one in mythtv svn for that called mythrename |
| [22:28:14] | justinh: | xand: is it ok to run mythrename.pl every day, like in a cron job or something? |
| [22:28:20] | clever: | see:P |
| [22:28:22] | ** justinh hides ** | |
| [22:28:32] | jduggan: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 223629312 2008-01–06 22:20 4294967295_20080106220928.mpg |
| [22:28:34] | xand: | don't know what mythrename.pl is... did I recreate it? :P |
| [22:28:35] | jduggan: | im guessing |
| [22:28:37] | jduggan: | its the latest start? |
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| [22:29:11] | justinh: | if you've got newly recorded shows not showing in 'watch recordings' maybe you need to look at your group viewing/filtering options |
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| [22:29:24] | xand: | justinh: apparently I did :P |
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| [22:30:54] | jduggan: | justinh: i only have a Default playback group |
| [22:31:02] | jduggan: | and livetv is in default |
| [22:31:38] | xand: | hmm I guess I could get it to rename the files instead of just linking them :) |
| [22:32:37] | AndyCap: | anyone know of some open source mpeg cutter that doesn't have to de-multiplex? |
| [22:33:52] | xand: | justinh: does commercial "tagging" or whatever it's called work with freeview programs? |
| [22:34:19] | jduggan: | in the guide , what's a C in a green circle? |
| [22:34:32] | jduggan: | also Channel Record +2 Recording is set.. whats the +2 |
| [22:34:33] | jduggan: | ? |
| [22:34:36] | benben: | xand: i'm not having a great deal of luck with it |
| [22:34:55] | xand: | justinh: er sorry for the "personal" question |
| [22:34:57] | stuarta: | jduggan: channel record i believe |
| [22:35:05] | xand: | benben: hmm |
| [22:35:20] | stuarta: | or conflict, you'll have to check your upcoming recordings screen :) |
| [22:35:28] | Tanthrix: | AndyCap: Can the built in myth one do that? I know it lets you cut out commercials and such then rencode fairly losslessly on "high quality" mode |
| [22:35:28] | xand: | how is meant to work? I can't imagine the broadcasters send data to mark adverts |
| [22:35:53] | benben: | i think there's a set of heuristics that myth uses to detect adverts |
| [22:36:20] | benben: | it won't be perfect but ... :) |
| [22:36:29] | stuarta: | fyi. commerial flagging in the UK is "variable" |
| [22:36:35] | AndyCap: | Tanthrix: nope |
| [22:36:42] | stuarta: | certain channels work well |
| [22:36:47] | stuarta: | the rest are rubbish |
| [22:36:57] | benben: | ah that'll explain it :) |
| [22:37:14] | stuarta: | feel free to help improve it :) |
| [22:37:16] | Yahooadam: | xand – comm flagging does work for freeview, depending on the channel |
| [22:37:17] | AndyCap: | heh, if people would start using the philips patent to disable channel switching during commercials one would have a winner. |
| [22:37:18] | justinh: | xand: I used to commflag everything when I was recording cable. Sly One flagged almost perfectly |
| [22:37:19] | jduggan: | the weird thing is that it says that the show is recording and i could show it, but i cant see it in 'watch recordings', even now since ive stopped |
| [22:37:32] | justinh: | jduggan: so change the filter |
| [22:37:34] | justinh: | sheesh |
| [22:37:38] | jduggan: | justinh: there is no filter |
| [22:37:41] | Tanthrix: | stuarta: Glad to hear that. I'm not in the UK, but I've been told by some people that their commercial skipping works nearly 100 percent of the time. For me, it was so useless that I disabled it entirely and just rely on 30 second skips now. (And I did try a bunch of various levels of strictness as well) |
| [22:37:45] | jduggan: | theres a default filter and its not filtering |
| [22:38:11] | Tanthrix: | stuarta: I was starting to feel like I was living in a different world or something ;) |
| [22:38:11] | stuarta: | the closer a channel is to US channels in it's behaviour the better the commflagging |
| [22:38:32] | justinh: | channels with logos onscreen work best I find – so long as the logo is removed for ad breaks |
| [22:38:46] | stuarta: | helps if the aspect ratio changes too |
| [22:39:20] | justinh: | not in 0.20 it dunt :) |
| [22:39:54] | stuarta: | since when do i run 0.20 :-P |
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| [22:41:17] | xand: | it annoys me when the video size changes |
| [22:41:26] | xand: | vlc/mplayer move their window |
| [22:42:21] | stuarta: | go fullscreen then |
| [22:43:06] | mzb: | AndyCap: mythtranscode _does_ do "cutting" (ie. no transcode) in lossless mode. avidemux does the same in copy mode (although I have to use audio delay of 250ms) |
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| [22:43:28] | xand: | stuarta: can't do that when I'm doing other stuff at the same time :) |
| [22:43:34] | xand: | like reading IRC >>, |
| [22:43:36] | xand: | >.< |
| [22:43:45] | AndyCap: | mzb: cool. I'll have to look into that. |
| [22:43:49] | ** stuarta has dual head :) ** | |
| [22:43:49] | mzb: | AndyCap: what I've done is change my high quality mode to lossless |
| [22:44:02] | Yahooadam: | dual head & linux = ugh |
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| [22:44:13] | stuarta: | no ugh. nice |
| [22:44:15] | AndyCap: | Yahooadam: pff. |
| [22:44:23] | hexxington: | Yahooadam, try quad head! |
| [22:44:24] | stuarta: | 300% productivity increase |
| [22:44:33] | hexxington: | Yahooadam, with 2 x screens, and 2 window managers! |
| [22:44:51] | Yahooadam: | dual head is great, linux just makes it a pain ;) |
| [22:44:54] | stuarta: | hexxington: that's a ridiculous idea |
| [22:45:01] | hexxington: | stuarta, o rly? |
| [22:45:11] | stuarta: | why 2 WMs? |
| [22:45:22] | stuarta: | Yahooadam: it's got a lot better lately |
| [22:45:34] | Yahooadam: | i tried a few months ago ... |
| [22:45:45] | xand: | stuarta: prefer a single WS monitor to multiple monitors |
| [22:45:46] | Yahooadam: | unless it has drastically changed in that time |
| [22:45:53] | hexxington: | http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/g . . . oto-0010.jpg |
| [22:46:15] | Yahooadam: | rich bitch ;) |
| [22:46:23] | xand: | dammit I'm meant to be writing a job application |
| [22:46:32] | stuarta: | oooo |
| [22:47:12] | hexxington: | :0.0 and :0.1. compiz doesn't like running across both without being explicitly started on the second x screen |
| [22:47:21] | xand: | what kind of monitors require you to stick sheets of paper on them to see the output ;) |
| [22:47:36] | stuarta: | compviz is therefore crap and needs to be educated |
| [22:47:39] | hexxington: | xand, new ones which still say "run this rez, mofo!" |
| [22:47:53] | justinh: | they missed the 't' out |
| [22:47:56] | AndyCap: | hexxington: what do you need compiz for anyway? |
| [22:47:57] | xand: | also, do you work on the railways? |
| [22:48:00] | justinh: | it's CompiTz |
| [22:48:03] | stuarta: | every proper WM controls both heads |
| [22:48:11] | hexxington: | AndyCap, to look cool |
| [22:48:15] | AndyCap: | eeew |
| [22:48:20] | xand: | to pretend he's using Vista. |
| [22:48:22] | hexxington: | stuarta, and 4 heads? |
| [22:48:27] | justinh: | AndyCap: everybody needs it. you're not c00l if you can't bend your mythtv around a cub3z0r |
| [22:48:32] | stuarta: | 4 heads is good :) |
| [22:48:54] | justinh: | there's no slashdottable value in 2d desktops |
| [22:48:55] | stuarta: | dammit sun were doing multiple heads 15 years ago |
| [22:49:01] | AndyCap: | justinh: good |
| [22:49:09] | hexxington: | i forgot the hostname of the machine with all those heads, which means no sshing in |
| [22:49:16] | justinh: | AndyCap: but.. but.. but .. but... but! Muhhhhhhhhh! |
| [22:49:19] | justinh: | ;) |
| [22:49:53] | justinh: | Compiz – still trying to find a real use for your 3d acceleration hardware beyond gaming |
| [22:49:59] | hexxington: | hang on, i can't ssh my desktop either. fuck's sake, has my net died in the office? ¬_¬ |
| [22:50:12] | hexxington: | justinh, there are several reasons a composited desktop is a good thing |
| [22:50:15] | justinh: | maybe it went home. it's sunday |
| [22:50:47] | AndyCap: | h264 acceleration in GLSL would be a good use. |
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| [22:51:56] | hexxington: | justinh, countless studies have shown the eye notices things that move more than things that "just happen". a popup window which fades in or bounces in etc is much more likely to gain user attention. windows which physically minimise make for a much more obvious paradigm than ones which disappear |
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| [22:52:36] | justinh: | hexxington: a popup window which appears, stealing focus when I'm trying to type a password in another window is ducking annoying & I wish it'd stop happening |
| [22:52:55] | hexxington: | justinh, focus stealing is a different matter entirely |
| [22:52:57] | justinh: | I notice it alright |
| [22:53:04] | hexxington: | justinh, and doesn't happen for me |
| [22:53:05] | AndyCap: | libnotify for the win. |
| [22:53:26] | justinh: | then again I'll be dead before linux desktops are suitable for people like me |
| [22:53:37] | mzb: | I like the effect where the window bursts into flames ... but the whole thing is a little young for me ... I might enable it when it's more mature |
| [22:53:45] | justinh: | people like me who can't be arsed running windows in a VM |
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| [22:53:47] | stuarta: | i think i've now got 20Gb more free than i did when the weekend started |
| [22:54:02] | benben: | hmmm, sin city :) |
| [22:56:06] | justinh: | work tomorrow, so that makes it bedtime |
| [22:56:09] | stuarta: | dammit i need to fix that fixup |
| [22:56:16] | stuarta: | me to |
| [22:56:24] | justinh: | first work of 2008 :( |
| [22:56:34] | stuarta: | poor you |
| [22:56:43] | justinh: | reminds me I should turn my port fwding back on :) |
| [22:57:30] | justinh: | nowt worse than getting back to work & having to do work |
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| [22:57:38] | justinh: | g'night all |
| [22:57:50] | ** stuarta waves ** | |
| [22:57:58] | cecil: | rest well |
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| [22:58:16] | stuarta: | right i'm off |
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| [23:20:53] | sn9: | hi. i'm having trouble with snd-bt87x, it looks like |
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| [23:22:19] | sn9: | i get "StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start" |
| [23:22:29] | sn9: | (livetv) |
| [23:24:32] | sn9: | anybody else try a recent myth with a bt878 card? |
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| [23:25:31] | sn9: | myth seems to want a 32000 sampling rate, which the driver can't do |
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| [23:26:00] | sn9: | the minimum is well over 100000 |
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| [23:30:35] | jonny88: | Anybody got experience with the VIA EPIA SP13000G |
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| [23:31:01] | sn9: | jonny88: lemme guess, XvMC trouble? |
| [23:31:27] | jonny88: | sn9: no no just wondering if I should go for that or an AMD on an NVIDIA chipset |
| [23:31:59] | sn9: | or even better, nvidia gpu on an ati chipset |
| [23:32:51] | hexxington: | ati chipsets blow |
| [23:32:59] | sn9: | at least with an nvidia gpu, you don't have any problems with XvMC |
| [23:33:00] | hexxington: | jonny88, avoid epia if you can help it, their cpus are dog slow |
| [23:33:32] | jonny88: | I'm thinking power consumption tho and HD isnt important as the TV can upscale from SD fine for me |
| [23:33:56] | sn9: | hexxington: there's no way nfarce could ever come close |
| [23:34:13] | hexxington: | power consumption is only marginally better with a via cpu than a laptop-grade core2 |
| [23:34:42] | sn9: | intel has eol'ed laptop-grade core2's |
| [23:35:10] | jonny88: | Via CPU is something like 6W tho, a core 2 is more like 20W and loads more expensive or am I mistaken? |
| [23:35:13] | KnyghtMare: | my analog stream is giving me tv |
| [23:35:15] | KnyghtMare: | but no sound |
| [23:35:19] | KnyghtMare: | can somebody offer help ? |
| [23:35:27] | sn9: | KnyghtMare: which card? |
| [23:35:34] | KnyghtMare: | Kworld 115 |
| [23:35:37] | hexxington: | jonny88, a via cpu will struggle with decent quality SD |
| [23:35:49] | KnyghtMare: | I have the alsa driver loaded |
| [23:35:49] | hexxington: | sn9, erm... what? |
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| [23:36:02] | sn9: | KnyghtMare: that's atsc/dvb, right? |
| [23:36:15] | jonny88: | Really? But a AMD 3200 is fine for HD and that only does about 1.6Ghz??? |
| [23:36:28] | KnyghtMare: | yea |
| [23:36:37] | hexxington: | jonny88, clock speed only tells part of the story. there's instructions per clock to consider |
| [23:36:44] | hexxington: | jonny88, i.e. how much work each MHz can do |
| [23:37:01] | sn9: | hexxington is right — it's the "MHz myth" |
| [23:37:08] | KnyghtMare: | saa7134 ALSA driver for DMA sound loaded |
| [23:37:08] | KnyghtMare: | saa7133[0]/alsa: saa7133[0] at 0xfa030000 irq 17 registered as card -1 |
| [23:37:15] | hexxington: | jonny88, a 1.3ghz c3 will give equivalent performance to a 650mhz pentium 3 |
| [23:37:16] | KnyghtMare: | no idea what that means |
| [23:37:23] | jonny88: | hexxington: am aware of that, had been led to believe that Via CPU was very efficient? Power per watt and all that? |
| [23:37:24] | KnyghtMare: | but I think it's loading the audio driver |
| [23:37:44] | sn9: | KnyghtMare: you might have told myth to use the wrong audio device |
| [23:37:52] | hexxington: | jonny88, no, power per watt is crap. a core2 is 3 times the watts for ten times the performance |
| [23:37:57] | KnyghtMare: | I don't know what audio device to tell it to use sn9 |
| [23:38:11] | hexxington: | jonny88, however, it's pretty obvious you've already made your decision, so good luck & have fun |
| [23:38:25] | sn9: | KnyghtMare: usually /dev/dsp1 or /dev/adsp1, but not /dev/dsp |
| [23:38:38] | jonny88: | hmm, will stick with my origianl AMD LE-1620 idea then? |
| [23:38:46] | KnyghtMare: | sn9, I'm using ALSA not OSS |
| [23:38:57] | hexxington: | jonny88, that'll be a much faster CPU |
| [23:39:09] | sn9: | KnyghtMare: myth does not have alsa input — oss only, afaik |
| [23:39:20] | jonny88: | I know, Cheap too |
| [23:40:13] | hexxington: | jonny88, the "hot ticket" right now is a minbi-itx-sized intel board with built-in celeron (which would still beat a c7 into a bloody pulp) |
| [23:40:23] | sn9: | KnyghtMare: the kernel should translate it to alsa automagically on most distros |
| [23:40:27] | hexxington: | jonny88, i can't remember who runs one though |
| [23:40:45] | hexxington: | sn9, no automagics. snd-pcm-oss kernel module. |
| [23:41:15] | sn9: | hexxington: that module (and snd-mixer-oss) is usually autoloaded |
| [23:41:33] | KnyghtMare: | sn9, yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to do the ALSA OSS emulation thing |
| [23:42:11] | jonny88: | cheers all, off to bed, nyt |
| [23:42:13] | hexxington: | KnyghtMare, modprobe snd-pcm-oss ? |
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| [23:42:51] | sn9: | hexxington (or anyone else): ever deal with snd-bt87x under myth? |
| [23:43:15] | hexxington: | sn9, no, i dropped analog about three years ago |
| [23:43:15] | KnyghtMare: | hexxington, I will need to build the module first |
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| [23:43:43] | sn9: | KnyghtMare: gentoo? |
| [23:43:45] | KnyghtMare: | also, if you watch mythtv for a long time, do you end up with a multi-GB file ? |
| [23:43:47] | KnyghtMare: | sn9, yes |
| [23:44:31] | sn9: | build anything alsa that isn't device-specific |
| [23:45:05] | hexxington: | KnyghtMare, yes, that's how the ability to rewind works. you can pick the size of your rewind buffer |
| [23:45:25] | sn9: | missing alsa pieces are not worth the frustration they cause |
| [23:45:43] | hexxington: | gentoo in "frustration" shocker |
| [23:45:48] | KnyghtMare: | hexxington, so I can limit it to make sure it's a small file ? |
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| [23:45:57] | hexxington: | KnyghtMare, if you so wish |
| [23:46:10] | rushfan: | Hey, how come SD.org has a Zap2it logo? Is it just like a reseller of Zap2it's commercial service? |
| [23:46:14] | hexxington: | remember, doing a distro maintainer's job for them is called "control" |
| [23:46:21] | hexxington: | rushfan, essentially |
| [23:46:34] | KnyghtMare: | hexxington, where is this option? |
| [23:47:00] | hexxington: | KnyghtMare, probably in general backend settings |
| [23:47:49] | sn9: | i get enough "control" with dpkg, thank you |
| [23:49:03] | sn9: | i once tried to "emerge kde" and i never will again |
| [23:52:03] | hexxington: | but you can only learn about linux by watching "make" output scroll past! |
| [23:52:21] | sn9: | heh |
| [23:52:36] | jhulst: | say what you will, but I learned quite a bit by compiling my own kernel, although I dumped a month later for debian :) |
| [23:53:08] | sn9: | many debian installs have self-compiled kernels anyway |
| [23:54:51] | KnyghtMare: | oh joy |
| [23:54:57] | KnyghtMare: | snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_unregister_oss_device |
| [23:55:12] | sn9: | KnyghtMare: like i said: |
| [23:55:22] | sn9: | build *anything* alsa that isn't device-specific |
| [23:56:11] | sn9: | you need to look at some gentoo alsa howtos, i guess |
| [23:56:23] | KnyghtMare: | I followed the gentoo alsa how to :P |
| [23:56:37] | sn9: | try a different one, then |
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