Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, January 5th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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Yahooadam:

im pretty sure those run particular hardware sets to do it though

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Yahooadam:

hmm, maybe you can in that respect

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Iolaus:

I don't see what the motivation would be. H264 and VC-1 can already be decoded and it sounds like decoders for the new audio formats are coming along. Couple that with HD-DVD and BluRay ripping software and I'll be able to enjoy HD movies off my file server just like DVDs.

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roothorick:

Iolaus: you obviously don't live in the US. It's a crime to circumvent HD-DVD / blu-ray DRM here.

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Yahooadam:

Fair Use

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roothorick:

fair use isn't guaranteed by the constitution. DMCA overrules.

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Yahooadam:

ofc the RIAA/whatever dont care about that

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Iolaus:

roothorick: I'm practicing civil disobedience ;)

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roothorick:

Iolaus: sounds like fun

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Yahooadam:

i think you can easilly argue what Iolaus is doing under "Fair Use"

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Yahooadam:

whether the judge is taking payoffs is harder to argue

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roothorick:

Yahooadam: but technically, the DMCA threw fair use out the window

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Iolaus:

Yahooadam: It's a grey area. Circumventing protection is technically illegal according to the DMCA (although there are some exceptions)

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Iolaus:

I think it may actually be the act of distributing the circumvention that is illegal

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clever:

so lets just teach every1 c++

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clever:

and let them invent there own method of circumvention

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Yahooadam:

technically, just to play a DVD on linux in the US is against the law

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Iolaus:

fortunately, there are intellegent people in other countries that are quite free to develop ways to circumvent protection mechanisms and can share their findings all they like

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clever:

technicaly i didnt show him how to circumvent so im safe!

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roothorick:

I recall any form of circummvention being illegal

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clever:

Yahooadam: what about normal dvd playback in canada?

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Yahooadam:

Iolaus – its perfectly legal for somone in the USA to discuss or write circumventing programs

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roothorick:

so technically

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Yahooadam:

just not to use them – its protected under freedom of speech

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roothorick:

if you hooked up your VCR to your cable box and recorded HBO, it's a DMCA violation

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Iolaus:

clever: from what I understand, that is bascially what it comes down to. You're free to circumvent protection for your own benefit using your own tools, but you can not share your tools or knowledge with anyone else.

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clever:

Iolaus: what if i was to give out source for it with a very small typo in a key file to make it fail to compile

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clever:

now the whole thing is useless except for a few noob programers who can 'fix' it on there own:P

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datagen24:

is it possible to change the protocol version on my backend?

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Iolaus:

basically the DMCA is a steaming pile of shit and should have been laughed out of congress well before it even had a chance of becoming law. Unfortunately, at the time there were very few average people who it affected. That is now beginning to change.

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Yahooadam:

clever, someone posted up DeCSS software on the web, they were sued and had to take it down

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Yahooadam:

they then counter-sued saying it was an infringment of freedom of speech, and were allowed to put it back up

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clever:

lol

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Yahooadam:

you just cant give out a compiled version (i believe)

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roothorick:

I'm on Gentoo so I'm set either way :)

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clever:

precompiled binarys for linux arent as usefull

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Iolaus:

clever: and there in lies the problem. Like people wearing clothing and making art that contained the CSS decryption algorithm or key

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Yahooadam:

CSS is a complete failure anyway

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clever:

lol

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Iolaus:

they're trying to take pee out of a swimming pool :)

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clever:

thats an idea

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clever:

print the source code on a shirt and call it art!

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roothorick:

hell

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Iolaus:

clever: that was done extensively with CSS :)

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roothorick:

take the compiled binary

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clever:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

I use to have a decss t-shirt that had the code in perl

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roothorick:

hex encode it

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Yahooadam:

Multi-Region dvd players allready circumvent it, and the source code to get round it is everywhere

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roothorick:

print it on a shirt

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GreyFoxx:

and another for encryption

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clever:

lol

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Iolaus:

anyway, won't be long before HD-DVD and BluRay will be just as easy to play on your PC as a DVD

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clever:

how many are willing to type the whole damn thing out though:P

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Yahooadam:

GreyFoxx – nerd :p

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roothorick:

the sad thing is

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roothorick:

the people that made CSS considered it a success... possibly still do

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Yahooadam:

success – lol

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clever:

ive read a few forums on cracking dvd encryption

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roothorick:

that whole completion == success mentality in corporate software development

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datagen24:

I am having a problem with the front end on my mac, it complains about the protocol version, both are the same 20.2 version, ideas on how to fix this?

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Iolaus:

the truly sad thing is the amount the MPAA payed for the next generation of protection on HD-DVD and BluRay (protection that has already been all but beaten)

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clever:

it sounds like you can figure out which player the keys are leaked from

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Yahooadam:

they must not be the same version datagen24 ....

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clever:

and then revoke those keys so the ilegal players wont work on any new disk

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Yahooadam:

datagen24 – did you compile either from cvs?

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Iolaus:

clever: and in doing so punish every person that legally purchased that player

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Yahooadam:

exactly

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Yahooadam:

the system is stupid

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datagen24:

the backend i did the other is precompiled

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clever:

Iolaus: an update to that player will fix it with a new key set

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roothorick:

Iolaus: they don't care though.

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Yahooadam:

clever – and then they steal another key

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Iolaus:

clever: which will again be broken! It's a vicious cycle :)

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Yahooadam:

which only pisses off legitimate users

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datagen24:

is it possible to tell the back end to speak the old version?

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clever:

but the mpaa will probly force the player company to protect the keys better next time

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clever:

so its harder to rip the keys out

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clever:

before giving them a real set of keys

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Iolaus:

also, I believe they've already pulled the keys from the XBox 360 which isn't quite so easy to update :)

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Yahooadam:

clever – you cant protect them really, i know of no real way

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Iolaus:

and I think there would be quite a stink if they decided to disable all the XBox HD-DVD drives

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clever:

one method i saw

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Yahooadam:

datagen24 – i dont think so, may be easiest to compile the frontend from cvs

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clever:

the guy debuging the dvd player found an odd patch of null's in the memoru

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clever:

so he set a trace on it and got the keys

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clever:

sounds like the program nulled out the keys in ram after using them to hide them

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Yahooadam:

if somone can make it, somone can break it

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clever:

Yahooadam: but if you attach a debuger to yourself you can block that

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Yahooadam:

trouble is, for every maker, there are like 10 breakers

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clever:

ive seen some virus's which will turn nasty if they cant debug attach to themself

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Iolaus:

clever: that's exactly it. If they push the software players hard enough, people will just hack more keys from hardware players (which can't be updated easily)

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justinh:

yeah and the breakers don't talk about it in logged channels

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Yahooadam:

freedom of speech :p

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GreyFoxx:

doesn't exist

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justinh:

read the channel faq

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GreyFoxx:

IRC is not a democracy :)

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Iolaus:

:)

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clever:

the only way to bypass the debuger detection is to debug above the normal level

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justinh:

so if you lot end up being the guys responsible for the feds shutting down mythtv you won't be too popular

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clever:

like debuging the kernel to monitor the userspace decryptors

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clever:

which just makes it harder

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Yahooadam:

i dont see how they could, mythtv doesnt circumvent any copy protection

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clever:

the dvd player could also use rootkit mode code to do the actual decryption and remain hidden better

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datagen24:

the issue with compling the other machines, is i have multiple mac platforms and not all of them have devel tools on them, it would be realy nice if i could just tell the back end to speak the old protocol?

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Iolaus:

it all comes down to basic encryption theory and the fact that there is no way to protect data when the recipient and the code breaker are the same person (the customer)

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justinh:

Yahooadam: oh right. it's not as if the MPAA/RIAA have a history of making people guilty by association or anything

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Yahooadam:

true justinh ;)

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clever:

Iolaus: i think cell/satbox decryption is done inside a chip(card/simcard) which you cant monitor/debug

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clever:

which means the decryption routines are better protected

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justinh:

datagen24: you can't mix versions, end of story I'm afraid. not unless you want the job of backporting changes to all your different versions

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datagen24:

cool thank you

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Yahooadam:

you know the USA/UK now has the same level of privacy for its citizens as Russia and China

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clever:

you write x into the card in the slot on the sat box and read out a key

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clever:

then you decrypt the video with that temp key

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clever:

which changes extra often(by the time you spread it to your friends its useless)

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justinh:

Yahooadam: too late. we lost our rights so long ago nobody can remember when

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directhex:

i looked up in the high street last weekend

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directhex:

my word, what a olot of cctv cameras :o

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justinh:

yay!

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justinh:

they pay my wages ;)

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Yahooadam:

i thought we were still better off then China or Russia though

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Yahooadam:

its just .... sad i guess

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justinh:

too far the other way & you have anarchy. I don't want that

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justinh:

I'm alright Jack

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justinh:

who are you voting for anyway? Leon or Rhyddian ? :P

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directhex:

two legs good, four legs bad

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justinh:

it's all our fault really. we let them do it

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Yahooadam:

its sad, all votes could be done by the public these days, with the internet and all

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justinh:

we were stupid enough to trust people who didn't have our best interests at heart. boo hoo

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Yahooadam:

maybe some "military threatening" ones would need MP's

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Yahooadam:

but stuff like "should we join the EU" or "Should we use the Euro" or this stuff, could be made by the public

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justinh:

and I don't honestly think any of us can say with an absolute degree of certainty we wouldn't do the same

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justinh:

Yahooadam: I'll let you in on a little secret of 3 words: already done deal

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justinh:

don't get the right answer, hold the election again until you do

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justinh:

or, do as Brown would do. Do it anyway. What can anybody do? What WILL anybody do? Ring phonein shows to whine & write in to newspapers? LOL

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directhex:

i wrote to my mp once

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directhex:

well, 3 times

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directhex:

i only got a reply once :(

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Yahooadam:

the sad thing is, MP's are supposed to represent the peoples voice, but they dont, they dont even care, and even if you tell them, they ignore you

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Yahooadam:

so what the hell _can_ you do?

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justinh:

and we in the UK love to whine. Among ourselves. No taking up arms to sort it out. Nah, that might involve some effort on our part

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directhex:

the biggest joke is petitions.gov.uk

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Yahooadam:

jeez the last guy that disagreed in parliment got arrested for being a "terrorist"

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directhex:

enter your email address here so we can tell you why your viewpoint is stupid and why we know best!

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justinh:

there might've been more to it than what we know about it now. Remember he who writes the history books...

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directhex:

justinh, overpaid academics with tweed jackets?

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justinh:

ahh yes.. it's he who wins gets to write the history books..

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Yahooadam:

if only there was somewhere everyone knew about, that everyone visited where you could spread a message

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Yahooadam:

where you can actually speak freely

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justinh:

personally I have a feeling that all of this dumbing down, people losing interest in politics etc can only have a good effect from the point of view of officialdom and maybe it's quite deliberate :P

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Yahooadam:

so that rules out everything except meeting in secret

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justinh:

Yahooadam: facebook? :P

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Yahooadam:

on the internet, monitored by the government

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justinh:

myspaz? cuz Rhiddian is like just so like ummm

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Yahooadam:

if you wrote somthing they didnt like you would probably get arrested for being a terrorist

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justinh:

never mind Gordon Brown mate have you seen Tracey's tits today?

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directhex:

you're right about one thing though, brits love to whine and bitch and moan

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justinh:

meanwhile outside #sociology...

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directhex:

how else can you have a stiff upper lip without things to moan about? O_o

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justinh:

stiff upper lip while the bottom lip is snivelling?

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Yahooadam:

or end up dead after surprisingly falling down some stairs

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Yahooadam:

that was the worst "cover up" they ever came up with

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justinh:

doesn't wash for bungalows, I have to admit

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directhex:

Yahooadam, there are worse cover-ups. benazir bhutto?

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justinh:

who?

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Yahooadam:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benazir_Bhutto

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justinh:

didn't make out the name. all I got here was ******* *****. oh noes! here come the black helicopterz!

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

how is that a cover up directhex?

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justinh:

seriously. if there's a reason for something (or even if there's not), there'll be some conspiracy theorist somewhere cooking up a 'true' answer to it. the only thing we can all rely on is that all we know is what _they_ tell us

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directhex:

Yahooadam, officially, she bumped her head when a suicide bomber somewhere nearby explodinated

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justinh:

.. unless we saw it with our own eyes.. and frankly how often does that happen?

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Yahooadam:

ah

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directhex:

Yahooadam, the guy with the pistol who shot her in the face never officially happened

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justinh:

directhex: and we are all surprised that a government is capable of corruption so vile it thinks nothing of eliminating people because...

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Yahooadam:

im not really, i was surprised how obvious they make it though

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justinh:

just shrug & say "hey but what can you do eh"

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Yahooadam:

thats what got us into this mess ;)

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justinh:

go back to watching Celebrity Come Mud Slinging & read about it in Hello

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Yahooadam:

lol

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justinh:

Yahooadam: if you can't beat em... have a frontal labotomy

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Yahooadam:

all we can hope is they push it too far

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justinh:

I mean I'm not an intellectual right, but if I sit down & think about the stupidity of the country/world I find it a little bit unsettling to think that we're considering bringing kids onto the face of the earth in the midst of all this. I mean who would, in their right mind – knowing what we know today eh? Has to go on though

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justinh:

how can you be unhappy if you don't know you are? ;)

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** justinh wonders what's going on in #mythtv-users. Friday night, must be at least a few souls with frazzled patience to mock.. **

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justinh:

anybody wanna help populate missing images in trunk themes?

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justinh:

Iulius could do with some for new plugins

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clever:

my art skills are horid:P

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Yahooadam:

my computer art skills are almost as bad as my art skills ;)

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justinh:

not asking for any drawing to be done. just dig around & find some GPL images that fit the bill

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vontrapp:

my computer art skills are worse than my art skills :)

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clever:

lol

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vontrapp:

which are no good to begin with

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Yahooadam:

you can allways make fun of my PVR-150 problems justinh

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Yahooadam:

http://pastebin.ca/841963

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clever:

ive noticed something new in myth

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justinh:

once upon a time I could draw a very good CHR(255)

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clever:

the frontend refuses to start if the db schema is too now

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Yahooadam:

ive done make distclean && make -j3 && sudo make install in ~/v4l-dvb

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justinh:

stop showing off your dual coredness

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Yahooadam:

me?

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Yahooadam:

its just what mkrufky told me to type

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Yahooadam:

he had to go though

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clever:

im using -j4 with distcc and many systems

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justinh:

could just do with a j right now myself

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Yahooadam:

what does -j do anyway

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clever:

Yahooadam: causes it to build multiple things in paralel

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Yahooadam:

ah

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clever:

Yahooadam: with -j3 you will have 3 seperate things compiling at once

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justinh:

Yahooadam: it's an imaginary number

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Yahooadam:

so why do u use -j4 clever?

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clever:

while still obeying the build dependencies within the make files

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clever:

-j4 causes it to try to build 4 at once

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clever:

and it goes thru distcc

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clever:

which forwards the work to a remote system

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clever:

so i can spread the load over multiple computers

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justinh:

I'm serious about these missing theme images btw. need to find replacements which suit the themes missing em

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clever:

distcc+500 computers and you can basicaly compile like you had a 500 core computer

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justinh:

and since the people who made/committed the themes originally didn't include notes about where the original icons came from... oof

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justinh:

got G.A.N.T covered. just slapped some coloured paint on a sheet of paper & folded it over

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clever:

lol

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justinh:

created using InkBlot(tm)

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Yahooadam:

can i show off my quadcore now then justinh ;)

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justinh:

heh. try backporting mythappearance for a laugh while you're at it

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justinh:

think it'd prolly just work actually

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Yahooadam:

if i understood howto backport :p

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justinh:

basically just adapt it to with with 0.20.x instead of trunk

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justinh:

nah finding new images will be much more relaxy

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directhex:

http://mattahan.deviantart.com/art/G-A-N-T-3035321

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justinh:

directhex: like I said I've got G.A.N.T covered

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Yahooadam:

does that require coding skill or just cpu time ;)

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directhex:

clever, distcc isn't remotely that parallel – and compiling in general isn't either

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justinh:

you know you must be old when you see the words 'cpu time' and think in terms of 'units left'

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clever:

directhex: yeah

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clever:

directhex: but you could compile every part of libavcodec in parallel

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clever:

then link them together at the server

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clever:

and if you had enough systems you may be able to do the same with other large chunks at the same time

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clever:

aslong as its maxing the cpu on every box its 'working' :P

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justinh:

life's a little too short for me to be think about how compilers work

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justinh:

if it doesn't spit out my code & the end result works I'm happy

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directhex:

i wonder if myth compiles with icc

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directhex:

probably not

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clever:

distcc precompiles localy to take the local include files into effect

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clever:

passes that out to the remote box which compiled into a .o

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clever:

then all linking is done localy

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justinh:

you're so young, filling your head with all this junk clever. whatever will become of you?

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clever:

no idea:P

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stuarta:

justinh: it compiles without warnings too :)

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clever:

but im constantly filling my head:P

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stuarta:

me with booze

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clever:

never had a beer in my life

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justinh:

all I can say is clever, I hope to never find you in a doorway somewhere, rocking & quietly mutterring to yourself

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directhex:

maybe you should, it'd cool you on all this distcc nonsense

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directhex:

beer > trivially parallel tasks

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clever:

justinh: i have waken up on my back infront of my bedroom door

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clever:

justinh: after what seemed like hours of trying to get up

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justinh:

couldn't believe it when I was pondering why that last function I made didn't work.. when the penny dropped. DUH! if (something) dosomething; if (somethingelse) dosomethingelse; is not what the job needed. MUH

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Aval0n:

sup

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clever:

else!

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clever:

else if()!

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Aval0n:

he is the movie web streaming supposed to work in SVN

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Aval0n:

or is that still WIP

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justinh:

yeah yeah smartypants. if I was as clever, and called clever.. etc

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stuarta:

yes and no

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Aval0n:

cause in mythweb I get a play button but nothing happens

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clever:

lol

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stuarta:

or should that be yes and yes

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directhex:

jesus saves. buddha does incremental backups

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justinh:

stuarta: what happened to the detox then? forever delayed?

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justinh:

oh no. I just remembered something. font rationalisation. screw that

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justinh:

I need a clone. you dont ever have to meet him or speak to him in IRC (thankfully for you)

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stuarta:

justinh: nah, just waiting till australia day for booze

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directhex:

i had some beer today! and som cider!

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clever:

justinh: found a bit of a bug in the screen size wizard plugin

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justinh:

go on

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clever:

once i make the window smaller i cant make it larger again by moving the arrow

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justinh:

yeah. it might be a bit hard getting the ui code to draw outside the main window

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clever:

so i have to just reset the whole thing

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

also its hard to see the exact edge of the arrow

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clever:

because it blends in with the theme i have

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justinh:

when I say 'a bit hard' I probably mean.. ugly, time consuming. maybe a separate app

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clever:

a sharper contrast between the arrow and bg would help

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justinh:

clever: the arrow lines are hard white

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justinh:

it doesn't get much more contrasty

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clever:

my arrows are black with a thin white edge

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justinh:

yeah you only need to see the edges

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Aval0n:

hey justinh, working on a new theme?

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justinh:

the arrow body is transparent

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clever:

the edge itself is a bit hard to see

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justinh:

Aval0n: not yet no. committed a plugin today though

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justinh:

clever: worksforme

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Aval0n:

ahh cool, what plugin

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clever:

it looked like i was able to push it off the edge of the window/panel

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clever:

its hard to tell for shure at this high of a res when i cant see the pixels

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clever:

should test it at 640x480!

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justinh:

Aval0n: MythAppearance. lets you set the mythtv GUI size in a er.. more user-friendly manner

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justinh:

clever: lol

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Aval0n:

ahh very cool.

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clever:

fater pixels makes them easyer to see for debuging

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Aval0n:

is that to help people with underscan/overscan issues?

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justinh:

Aval0n: you got it

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Aval0n:

excellent.

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directhex:

overwho? 1:1 pixel mapping!

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clever:

justinh: and whats sig user1 do to frontend again?

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Aval0n:

My plasma owning ass needs something like that :) I fixed mine though one pixel at a time.

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justinh:

clever: forces a theme reload

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clever:

ah

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clever:

might help

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justinh:

killall -USR1 mythfrontend

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Yahooadam:

how do you "fixed mine though one pixel at a time"

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Yahooadam:

lol

[01:13:41]

clever:

yep

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clever:

justinh: a usr1 after a resolution change did it

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justinh:

clever: you have an uncanny knack to break everything

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clever:

im starting the X and fe in an odd way

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stuarta:

him be a software tester

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clever:

easyer to change the res at run time

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clever:

and then i break the fe(expected that:P)

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clever:

but usr1 fixed it:)

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clever:

i cant see any diff in the quality between 640x480 and 1024x768

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clever:

in the general ui and in playback of sd

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justinh:

blasphemer

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justinh:

maybe give your monitor a wipe then

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jduggan:

60% cpu expected playing HD on a p4 3ghz?

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jduggan:

(single core)

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** stuarta leans towards yes **

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justinh:

jduggan: mpeg2 or h.264?

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jduggan:

h.264

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justinh:

aye then

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stuarta:

yup

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Yahooadam:

its that low?

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jduggan:

i can live with that

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Yahooadam:

i thought it was higher then that

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justinh:

depends if it's AVC or not IIRC

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jduggan:

two hd playable machines now

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jduggan:

all i need is a HD broadcast :p

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clever:

justinh: not shure if this is the plugin or the lcd panel

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justinh:

AVC adds nasty funky difficulty to decoding

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Yahooadam:

ahh, cheers justinh :)

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clever:

justinh: but when i look realy cloose i can see 2 lines(diff grey shades) between the solid white and black

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justinh:

so you ain't running at the native res of the panel then

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clever:

it might be the lcd panel spreading the massive pixels out over several and smoothing it out

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clever:

yeah

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justinh:

pretty damn pin sharp here cos I run my panels at the proper res :)

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clever:

id have to screenshot it to be shure

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jduggan:

these HD enclosures you can buy to keep them quiet, do they work, or just a waste of time

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justinh:

doubt it

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justinh:

encasing something that needs to radiate heat in a sealed enclosure surrounded by lots of high density foam... oops

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jduggan:

yea i wondered about the heat thing

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clever:

my harddrives give off a fair ammount of heat

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clever:

it runs cooler when siting ontop of a cddrive

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justinh:

balancing something which is very sensitive to g-forces & movement generally – on elastic bands.. uh-oh

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clever:

compared to a 2nd hdd which is on the case

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jduggan:

considering a small 5400rpm laptop drive in that case, also wondered about solid state

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justinh:

jduggan: just get quiet HDDs.. or if it's for a frontend – no hdd

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directhex:

spinpoints are quiet

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clever:

jduggan: there are some cf to laptop ide converters

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jduggan:

yea its for a frontend

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justinh:

not having a HDD really doesn't slow boot time down much

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directhex:

loud drives are also generally hot. want to stick a hot drive in an enclosed space?

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clever:

but you could just netboot your laptop off the master which is in the closet:P

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jduggan:

justinh: you boot the kernel off a cd?, or pxe or what

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justinh:

PXE

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clever:

im getting the kernel and initrd thru pxe

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justinh:

PXE netboot, then mounts an nfsroot

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directhex:

cd is even noisier than hdd

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clever:

but ive tried using usb also for the non pxe systems but it hasnt worked right yet

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jduggan:

directhex: yea, for like 5 seconds

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justinh:

jduggan: slower than network though

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clever:

justinh: got any ideas on usb booting with grub?

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directhex:

jduggan, i have quiet hard disks. i'd say "always"

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justinh:

clever: tricky but I've done it before

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clever:

ive installed grub like it was a normal hdd/floppy and tried to boot from the bios

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clever:

but it just gets stuck at GRUB

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justinh:

there are howtos out there for usb booty fun

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clever:

my palm also stoped reading the 2gig SD chip

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clever:

asking to format it

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clever:

yet linux can mount it still

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jduggan:

will take a look into nfsroot

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clever:

i used debootstrap to make my root

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justinh:

I did a regular install & converted it to nfsroot. just lazy

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clever:

it basicaly does a minimal install of debian/ubuntu

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jams:

heh well i guess at least one person found USR1 usefull

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clever:

i was able to easily make a 7.10 root from my 6.06 master backend

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mzb:

clever: try syslinux ... when you get that right, grub might make more sense

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clever:

i'll try that if the stuff from google doesnt work

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justinh:

jams: saved me loads of time today. I love it :)

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mzb:

btw: you might like to take a look at cdeboostrap rather than plain old deboostrap ;)

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mzb:

s/cdebootstrap

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mzb:

s/debootstrap

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mzb:

!

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justinh:

jams: so much so I'm tempted to look into programming a key to send it

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clever:

lol;p

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clever:

justinh: using irexec you can tie a button on your remote to 'killall -USR1 mythfrontend'

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justinh:

don't use a remote in my office

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clever:

could use the power button to 'power cycle' the frontend ui

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justinh:

ah I just remembered that other thing I meant to see about today

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clever:

you could also use a simple shortcut key within gnome/kde to do it

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justinh:

the silly '0' number thing in remoteedit boxes

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clever:

just as a hackish way

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john__:

Justinh I was told your the person to see about issues with a nfs share?

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jams:

justinh- good to know..I know i found it useful.

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justinh:

what? who said that. I'm no NFS expert by any stretch of the imagination!

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clever:

ive had some nfs problems too in the past that ive fixed/worked arround

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alexvd:

I didnt say he was an expert

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alexvd:

I said they no more than I do

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john__:

sorry my bad

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justinh:

I often get offended when people ask me directly when there's other people much more knowledgable than me around ;)

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justinh:

just ask :)

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john__:

around my parts it's a figure of speech

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john__:

if someone knows more then u there considered an expert

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clever:

formating the sd stick

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justinh:

heh

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john__:

didn't mean to offend anyone

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clever:

no way past data is messing up the grub:P

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clever:

361kb/sec read rate

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clever:

bearly enough to handle 1 sd stream:P

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alexvd:

john_: just go ahead and ask

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justinh:

john__: you didn't offend me. just ask what you want to know

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john__:

my problem is i can see a nfs share mount with thunar file manager but mythtv doesn't

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mzb:

grr ... hate having the server offline for so long ( <24 hrs) ... drives the mailserver vm mad with spam detection! ;))

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justinh:

john__: it took me ages to figure this out – dunno if it applies to you but – say your videos share is exported from /myth/videos – you should mount it to /myth/videos on all your frontends for mythvideo to be able to find the files or else you'll see all the metadata etc but won't be able to play files

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john__:

i have a nfs share mounted on the mythtv box at /mnt/movies

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john__:

i changed the folder location in mythtv to /mnt/movies

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clever:

justinh: ive got about 5 diff nfs servers but ive mounted them all so the paths to any file on any sys is the same for all systems

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justinh:

ugh! nasty jaggies on the watermarks in Titivillus :(

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clever:

for x in theP4 laptop media; do mount $x:/media/videos/$x /media/videos/$x;done

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clever:

basicaly

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justinh:

john__: basically all the video share locations and mount points on every frontend have to be the same or mythvideo won't work on every frontend properly

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john__:

i only have one mythtv box

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justinh:

oh

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john__:

with 1 front end

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justinh:

different story

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GreyFoxx:

jams: I used the USR1 kill signal idea on another item for the backend :)

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justinh:

john__: check permissions, make absolutely sure the location is correct, etc

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GreyFoxx:

3 ways to force a rebuild of the upnp video metamap. housekeep job on the halfhour/hour, call mythbackend with --upnprebuild , or killall -USR1 mythbackend :)

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justinh:

john__: and scan for videos in video manager

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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** justinh nominates Titivillus for being the first to go in a bag, down the nearest well **

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john__:

owner is john group john access read and write others read and write

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alexvd:

John__: I guess I am not the dumb :)

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john__:

i did the scanning thing with no luck there either

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mzb:

john__: does the mythtv user (and|or group) have write access to that share on all the machines? (and is mythtv user the same id?)

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john__:

john is in the mythtv group

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john__:

should i change the group to mythtv?

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john__:

i have 1 mythtv box and the nfs server is running off a gutsy box

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mzb:

I suspect your mythtv box is running mythfrontend (etc) as mythtv:mythtv ... so ensure that the mythtv group owns the movie share and has write access

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john__:

ok

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mzb:

you will have to have the same uid+gid's on each machine

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mzb:

(ie. gid is the issue, not the "name" of the group)

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mzb:

either that or just make the share world writeable ;))

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mzb:

there is a better way howerver:

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mzb:

see anongid and anonuid in the exports manpage

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mzb:

and "all_squash"

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john__:

well the folder on the gutsy box is owned by john aswell with full permissions

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mzb:

# id john

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mzb:

(on each machine)

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mzb:

then:

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mzb:

# id mythtv

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mzb:

(on each machine)

[01:52:30]

mzb:

make sure the numbers match

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john__:

i don't have a mythytv on the gutsy box

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mzb:

hence your problem

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mzb:

see anon* options in exports, or create a mythtv user + group on the server with the same id's

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john__:

both john's on both boxes have a id of 1000

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mzb:

right, got that ... but your mythfrontend and mythtv-backend are probably running as mythtv:mythtv

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mzb:

so, make your anongid=users (id) and anonuid=john (ie. 1000) and use "all_squash"

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mzb:

read the manpage and do some googling ... you'll work it out

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mzb:

I have to swap this screen over in a minute, so you'll have to start doing some thinking ;)

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john__:

ok thanks

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mzb:

np, good luck

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jduggan:

blah, make failed like 15minutes into the build

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jduggan:

how annoyinh

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jduggan:

annoying*

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mdew-home:

how do you get -multirec branch to record 2 channels at the same time?, seems okay to record one, and watch another..

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fryfrog:

mdew-home: i'd imagine schedule two shows to be recorded that are on the same uh... transport? what do you call that

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fryfrog:

mux?

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mdew-home:

yeah

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mdew-home:

seemed strange that i couldnt record 2 channels, yet its okay to watch a channel, and record another

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CCFL_Man:

with a frontend, does it need sql installed on the same box as the frontend is running?

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GreyFoxx:

you don't need a mysql server on the frontend

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GreyFoxx:

but you need the client libraries and such

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CCFL_Man:

can i just use the frondend with mythvideo and mythweather?

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Yahooadam:

you must have a mysql server in the loop somewhere

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CCFL_Man:

ahh, ok

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CCFL_Man:

my backend isn't set up yet

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Yahooadam:

you can run it on the frontend temporily then (i believe?)

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CCFL_Man:

it asks for the sql information

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GreyFoxx:

cause you have to have one, whether you run mythfrontend or not

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jduggan:

mythvideo stores its metadata in sql

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jduggan:

you can connect to a mysql server not on the same machine

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jduggan:

but you still need one

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Yahooadam:

CCFL_Man – do you have mysql on your network anywhere?

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Yahooadam:

and what OS are you running?

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CCFL_Man:

ahh, ok

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CCFL_Man:

not atm, i just tried out the osx frontend

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Yahooadam:

ah, your on a mac ;)

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Yahooadam:

anyway, you could run the mysql server on the same PC as the frontend

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CCFL_Man:

well, i'm going to do a really custom setup, use dvb-asi cards fior inputs

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Yahooadam:

i didnt know there were any defaults with mythtv ;)

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CCFL_Man:

heh

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CCFL_Man:

well, i doubt there is anyone in the world using dvb-asi cards with mythtv

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Yahooadam:

just differing levels of insanity

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Yahooadam:

honestly, i would be surprised if somone wasnt

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CCFL_Man:

dvb-asi is only used in professional equipment

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CCFL_Man:

but is the best way to get digital streams into mythtv

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CCFL_Man:

i'm curious, how does mythtv access hardware? can it be vender drivers or does it have to be linuxtv drivers?

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jams:

GreyFoxx- thats pretty cool

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jams:

justinh- you can't kill Titivillus thats the first theme i worked on!

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Yahooadam:

no way is justinh still here :o its 2:30am

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Yahooadam:

way past his bed time ;)

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jams:

and no I not responsible for the watermarks that would be dave. Those are picutres from items around his house.

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Yahooadam:

why is gant being kept btw?

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justinh:

a lot of people like it, that's why

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jams:

Yahooadam- some really like that theme.

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justinh:

like/have a fetish for..

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Yahooadam:

ill shut up then ;)

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jams:

justinh- the guy who did the watermarks for titivillus spent weeks cropping.

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justinh:

jams: ok then it needs a lot of love

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jams:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

hehe I detest gant so much I literally get a sick to my stomach feeling everytime I see it :)

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jams:

guess he didn't do a good enough job

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justinh:

jams: I totally understand the difficulty of clipping photos. tools are much better/easier to work with now

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justinh:

jams: on a tv they're probably fine

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justinh:

but these days stuff has to be as near pixel perfect as poss

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jams:

guess that does predate lcd's being common.

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** Yahooadam agrees with GreyFoxx (silently) **

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justinh:

Yahooadam: I dislike G.A.N.T too but I'm not gonna call for its dismissal

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justinh:

hell I've even done little bits to maintain it

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jams:

time to wipe out the photoshop magic eraser!

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Yahooadam:

neither am i, but it really shouldnt be the default

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jams:

whip out

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justinh:

jams: don't spose you have copies of the original photos available do you?

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jams:

i do not, suppose i can ask if dave still have them.

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tjcarter:

I will call for its dismissal.

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tjcarter:

=)

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justinh:

I tried tidying them up once but there's only so much you can do

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tjcarter:

Or at least, I will call for another default theme.

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jmusits:

quick question, I used to use MythDVD (back around version 0.18) to play DVD's and MythVideo to play video files. Back then I needed a sound card (I have a PVR-350) on my box. Now with the Internal player (version 0.20.2) do I still need a sound card or will the PVR-350 handle the sound output?

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justinh:

when the theme chooser is done, there needn't be any default. the user can choose :)

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GreyFoxx:

jmusits: playback on the 350 is bascially unchanged

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tjcarter:

I'm liking glass.

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jams:

tjcarter- does appletv do upnp?

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jmusits:

GreyFoxx: I did notice that an mpg played back w/ sound while a avi had no sound

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tjcarter:

jams: No, it does a slight variant of daap

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jmusits:

I haven't gotten around to installing my old sound card

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GreyFoxx:

jms: yup, cause the 350 onboard decoder can only handle mpeg video and audio

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jams:

tjcarter- does a appletv plugin that interfaces with mythbackend sound interesting?

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jams:

or useful

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tjcarter:

jams: ABSOLUTELY.

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tjcarter:

jams: frapplication!

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jams:

just checkin

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tjcarter:

=)

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jams:

i was talking to donavan today and he talked about such a thing.

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jams:

i will mention you have interest in such a thing

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tjcarter:

jams: lots of people have wanted something for AppleTV to interface it with Myth while being still just a source for the AppleTV

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GreyFoxx:

jams: What protocol? It if used upnp that would be sweet

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jmusits:

GreyFoxx: also when I tried to play a DVD w/ menus it only played the intro (the thing before the menu) and quit. Trying to navigate to the DVD root menu it just flashed up quick and quit, I don't remember this happening before

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GreyFoxx:

Especially since it could be used to access other upnp servers too

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: that's why I've been pushing for upnp for so long =D

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jams:

GreyFoxx- i don't know geckofiend and I were just kicking around the idea

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GreyFoxx:

jms: pvr350 decoder output is basically unsupported now and unless someone steps up and takes over maintaining it will eventually be removed

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GreyFoxx:

no active dev uses a 350

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GreyFoxx:

and hasn't for a long time

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GreyFoxx:

so I don't doubt there are serious problems

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jmusits:

GreyFoxx: what are most of the dev's using nowadays?

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jams:

tjcarter- the current thought was to extend on http://wiki.awkwardtv.org/wiki/Sapphire

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GreyFoxx:

nvidia based video cards, even back when ivtv decoder support was put in the majority didn't use it

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jmusits:

GF: and do you mean removed from mythtv entirely, or just from the DVD and Video?

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GreyFoxx:

well, with noone maintaining it, eventually it will be broken completely

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jmusits:

shit, sounds like I might have to step up

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GreyFoxx:

so at that point if still no maintainer has stepped up it will be removed

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GreyFoxx:

I'm sure other 350 users would be happy if you do :)

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jmusits:

ivtv is still being maintained, it's just the MythTV integration that need to be maintained right?

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GreyFoxx:

ivtv decoder use is not maintained

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GreyFoxx:

recording is another matter

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GreyFoxx:

not maintained by a myth dev I mean, not talking about the ivtv devs

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jmusits:

gotcha

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jmusits:

the decoding still works superbly for me as far as mythtv recorded programs and live tv are concerned

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tjcarter:

jams: I would actually be more interested in a desktop player than a frapplication. Front Row doesn't really allow multitasking and it kinda exits if you type a pgdown ;)

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jduggan:

what am i missing when mythtv-setup has a black background and just grey shaded windows?

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tjcarter:

jams: is Sapphire a file browser or something that speaks upnp?

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tjcarter:

jams: what slowed me down was the lack of a working upnp client to look at.

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justinh:

cesman: you around?

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jams:

tjcarter- i don't know. At the moment i don't even own an appletv

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tjcarter:

jams: do you have an Intel Mac?

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jmusits:

GreyFoxx: thanks for the info, hopefully I will have some free time in the near future to work on some ivtv decoder maintainence

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jams:

tjcarter- yeah i do

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jams:

mini mac

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jmusits:

I am a software dev by trade, it's just finding the free time that is hard

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tjcarter:

jams: it's possible (though would not be legal) to boot AppleTV OS on it.

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tjcarter:

jams: if you have 10.5, Front Row is basically same as Apple TV's Finder.

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jams:

i only have 10.4

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jams:

to be honest the apple ui turned me off so I don't use it that much

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justinh:

ETOOMUCHBLING ? ;)

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jams:

no ALT + Right mouse to move a window

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justinh:

or does all the spinning give you motion sickness? ;)

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tjcarter:

you know, I don't get why people keep refering to Mac OS X as full of bling. Other than the transparent menu bar (meh) and the new Dock, a Mac has about as much visually as XP, less than the typical Linux desktop, and all of it serves a functional purpose.

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CCFL_Man:

see i want an appletv but hd live tv and playback will be an issue

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tjcarter:

Compare with KDE where you have pulsing bouncing application icons as part of the mouse cursor which don't actually represent that a program is starting, just that you told a program to start.

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CCFL_Man:

i like tiger more than leopard, lots of darwin ports do not work in leopard yet

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CCFL_Man:

but os x is prettier than kde

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tjcarter:

(so for example, a broken library will have the application look like its starting even though it died immediately as soon as you tried to spawn it.

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tjcarter:

then compare straight, smooth lines that are basically unadorned with Dell craptops that glow bright blue just because everybody and their fucking dog has useless blue LEDs in their computers just because nowadays.

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** tjcarter has no strong opinions on this, obviously =D **

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jduggan:

omg

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jduggan:

has anyone seen this

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jduggan:

X Error: RenderBadPicture (invalid Picture parameter) 169

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jduggan:

mythtv-setup is just a black background and a grey outline

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jams:

amazing => http://www.ohgizmo.com/2008/01/04/thermochrom . . . -recent-use/

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justinh:

handy if you have a cold I guess

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jduggan:

blah

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jduggan:

this suchs

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jduggan:

sucks*

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Yahooadam:

eh, livetv froze when my mysqldump script ran :s

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Yahooadam:

how do you select tv source when watching livetv in mythtv?

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justinh:

Y

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** cesman thinks someone needs to read keys.txt **

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Yahooadam:

problem 1, knowing keys.txt exists, problem 2, knowing where keys.txt is :p

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jduggan:

anyone know what causes mythtv-setup to only have a black bg?

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justinh:

jduggan: yeah. broken stuff

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jduggan:

wondering if its something to do with my intel driver :(

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Yahooadam:

jduggan – do you have another linux machine?

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jduggan:

Yahooadam: yes

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Yahooadam:

then do ssh -X -Y uname@ip

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Yahooadam:

then type mythtv-setup

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MaverickTech:

Yahooadam: $locate keys.txt

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Yahooadam:

yeah i know, but i didnt know keys.txt existed

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Yahooadam:

anywho

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Yahooadam:

time to sleep now i think, all seems to be working well

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Yahooadam:

hmm, thats odd

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Yahooadam:

htop shows about 5% cpu usage if you add up the running processes, but at the top it shows ~25% of a core

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clever:

the total at the very top sometimes locks up and stops updating

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clever:

restarting top or hitting 1 a few times seems to kick it back to life

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Yahooadam:

it was updating

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Yahooadam:

it was varying a bit around 25%

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Yahooadam:

but the total of the procceses was only about 5%

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Yahooadam:

it seems to be ok now though

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clever:

a program could use 20% of the power

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clever:

then exit() before top scans it

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Yahooadam:

true

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clever:

i get that often when doing alot of short compile jobs

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clever:

100% cpu usage and nothing using it

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Yahooadam:

fair enough

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clever:

by abusing fork&exit() you could evade being found

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clever:

your pid would be changing extremely often

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Yahooadam:

i also have this message twice in dmesg

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Yahooadam:

[ 1113.050000] ivtv0: All encoder VBI stream buffers are full. Dropping data.

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Yahooadam:

[ 1113.050000] ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.

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clever:

disable vbi globaly in general under mythtv-setup

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clever:

and reload the ivtv module(or reboot)

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clever:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Troubleshooting down at 'VBI Workaround'

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Yahooadam:

ok, again its at 25% cpu, and top isnt showing anything, but i ran htop -d 0.1

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clever:

Cpu(s): 64.9% us, 7.3% sy, 24.6% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.5% hi, 2.6% si

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Yahooadam:

seems very odd

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clever:

when i had the vbi problem that link refers to

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clever:

i had 90% system usage

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clever:

which slowed everything down

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clever:

and the backend couldnt read the mpeg stream fast enough

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Yahooadam:

what does VBI do?

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clever:

closed captioning and a few other things

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clever:

the link above refers to a wikipedia page explaining vbi

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lime4x4:

justinh i got the nfs shares to work

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justinh:

woo nice

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lime4x4:

don't ask me how or why...lol

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lime4x4:

all i did is a copy a file from the mythtv box to the nfs share and everything started to work

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cesman:

Yahooadam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VBI

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Yahooadam:

ok disabled it

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clever:

main problem i have with that is i also loose closed captioning on my frame grabber recordings

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clever:

even though they are still in the file they no longer display

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

i checked keys.txt, how do you change from "all programes" to "programs" in the "watch recordings screen"

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clever:

menu

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clever:

bound to m by default

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clever:

then select change filter and pick one

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Yahooadam:

ty :)

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Yahooadam:

oh, its above under "recording groups"

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Yahooadam:

ok, thanks all :)

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Yahooadam:

gnite

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justinh:

gnight

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jhulst:

Are there any options to control volume in the home screen?

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tank-man:

doesnt seem like it

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vontrapp:

is there sound in the home screen?

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tank-man:

not in my setup

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jhulst:

no, I have my xbox running through monitor, and to get it to switch, I added a menu option to blank the screen but I need to be able to control the sound which is run through the line in on the soundcard

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tank-man:

is the blanking of the monitor controled by a script? add muting the sound card to it

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jhulst:

I don't want to mute the soundcard, I want to be able to control the volume

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jhulst:

and yes, the blanking is through a script

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vontrapp:

you could add extra lirc controls to change the volume

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vontrapp:

before _or_ after the blanking

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jhulst:

vontrapp: That's what I'm looking into right now, I had hoped there was something built into myth for it though

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roothorick:

whoever said you won't tune HD on this box, you're right :/

[04:33:25]

roothorick:

my CPU is just too slow. It comes in fine but video doesn't play fast enough

[04:34:06]

roothorick:

...err, does MythTV support ALSA at all?

[04:34:36]

roothorick:

oh there we go

[04:35:07]

roothorick:

now for the fun part, manually hunting down open channels

[04:35:11]

roothorick:

this is gonna be so tedious :/

[04:38:33]

roothorick:

how do I tell myth my cable box takes four-digit channel numbers?

[04:40:31]

roothorick:

and I take it Myth doesn't care for music choice

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simcop2387:

would it be possible to ever implement Mute On Commercial?

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kdubya:

anything is possible

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simcop2387:

it'd be nice for live tv if commercial detection worked on it

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kdubya:

probably would not be very hard to do

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kdubya:

i think most people would just tell you that they dont ever watch livetv anyway

[04:45:27]

kdubya:

lots of people dont like sports apparently

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simcop2387:

i do it from time to time (when i've watched all of my recordings)

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vontrapp:

i don't think i could ever watch all of my recordings

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kdubya:

i dont horde things

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simcop2387:

vontrapp: heh, i do it sometimes when sick

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kdubya:

other than good eats episodes

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simcop2387:

kdubya: you too?

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kdubya:

heh

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vontrapp:

good eats is da bomb

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** simcop2387 lives near him (within 75 miles) **

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simcop2387:

but i haven't met him

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roothorick:

is there a way to change the number of digits sent to the cable box? e.g. 0573 instead of 573

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roothorick:

for channel numbers

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kdubya:

why dont you add an "enter" or whatever command at the end instead

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roothorick:

okay, how do I do that?

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Tanthrix:

roothorick: Well, I suspect it would be not too difficult to modify a firewire channel changing script to that end, since I don't think myth can do it by itself.

[05:19:34]

roothorick:

I see

[05:19:39]

Tanthrix:

roothorick: You just need to find a script that mostly works, then modify it to insert a 0 before everything it sends (since I doubt you have any channels in the 1xxx range)

[05:19:54]

roothorick:

Tanthrix: I do actually...

[05:19:54]

Tanthrix:

roothorick: Probably not as simple as that, but I suspect it would be doable

[05:20:04]

Tanthrix:

roothorick? Oh really? Crazy

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kdubya:

i do as well

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kdubya:

HD channels are >1000 and sd <1000

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roothorick:

Tanthrix: mostly on-demand stuff

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Tanthrix:

Can myth work with more than 999 channels?

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kdubya:

of course

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roothorick:

let me find an open channel above 1000, if there is one

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Tanthrix:

Not sure if this is stupid or not, but maybe you could simply change the channel numbers in the database from 1,2,3,4 etc.. to 0001,0002, etc.. ? Would take forever though, unfortunately.

[05:22:46]

roothorick:

1708, Spike TV digital, is open

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roothorick:

let's see

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kdubya:

the channels in the database is not what he is worried about

[05:22:57]

kdubya:

he is worried about the cable box

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kdubya:

those numbers are set by comcast or whatever

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roothorick:

time warner

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roothorick:

I wouldn't have gotten this far if I had comcast

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

you getting any good shit over firewire?

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kdubya:

i have time warner and i dont get dick

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roothorick:

not really

[05:24:18]

roothorick:

but we don't have the standard digital package

[05:24:30]

roothorick:

i mean, it's not on our account

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Tanthrix:

kdubya: No, his problem is that myth is sending three digits instead of four to the box, which expects four. Changing the channel numbers in the db to all be four digit might fix that.

[05:24:49]

kdubya:

oh i see

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jams:

roothorick- are you using .20?

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roothorick:

i could script the change

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roothorick:

but

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roothorick:

jams: no idea

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roothorick:

jams: portage says I have .20.2_p14814

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CCFL_Man:

fr'kdubya: bitch to time warner, threaten to cancel service

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CCFL_Man:

unfortunately they are not obligated by law to turn everything on

[05:52:01]

CCFL_Man:

but bitch nontheless

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kdubya:

i would

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kdubya:

but im like

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kdubya:

lazy

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kdubya:

is it possible to get them to turn it on just your box?

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jhulst:

Anybody have any recommendations for sound cards with Coax/Optical SPDIF Inputs/Outputs?

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roothorick:

jhulst: do you need input?

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roothorick:

jhulst: chances are, no

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jhulst:

roothorick: Not at the moment :)

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roothorick:

jhulst: usually your tuner card will take in digital audio on its own, if it's a digital card

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roothorick:

the only reason you'll need digital in is if you're recording from an STB

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jhulst:

roothorick: Probably correct, I was just keeping my options open

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jhulst:

roothorick: Do you have something with just the outputs?

[06:17:33]

roothorick:

jhulst: all sorts of things

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roothorick:

jhulst: it's not uncommon for motherboards to have onboard digital out

[06:18:27]

jhulst:

roothorick: and mine does, unfortunately my onboard sound has interference issues when under load, hence the reason I'm looking for a new sound card

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jhulst:

When I got the motherboard, I had planned on using the onboard, but that doesn't seem to be working well at the moment

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roothorick:

jhulst: PCI? PCIe? USB?

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jhulst:

PCI or PCIe preferably

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roothorick:

anything else you want in it?

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jhulst:

roothorick: line in inputs, at least 5.1 output

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roothorick:

jhulst: at the same time?

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jhulst:

roothorick: same time as what

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roothorick:

I'll take a gander at Newegg after a little data entry

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roothorick:

jhulst: line in and 5.1 out at the same time?

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jhulst:

roothorick: I've been looking around, I just was wondering if anyone had any experience with cards

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jhulst:

roothorick: It'd be nice, but not necessary

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roothorick:

jhulst: well, I'm kinda shooting in the dark myself

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roothorick:

damn, this firewire is useful

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Anduin:

Is there a good reason not to buy the HD-5500?

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_banyan:

hey. Anyone else running X on a pvr-350 video out, with an nvidia card running x as well? The nvidia service replaces the required Device "ivtv" with Device "nvidia". It can't do that! It must be stopped! Anyone know how to get it doing what it's supposed to do without pooching my xorg.conf file?

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: Only that you can get a much cheaper equivalent, like the A180.

[07:00:40]

Anduin:

GreyFoxx: You have the A180?

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: Yeah, was just looking at those

[07:00:51]

Anduin:

much cheaper

[07:01:07]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: Fully supported too. At least, it used to be.

[07:01:27]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: Since the latest version of myth I have been completely unable to scan for channels. As soon as it locks on, it segfaults.

[07:01:30]

_banyan:

obviously a hi-def capture card?

[07:01:32]

Anduin:

Tanthrix: Yeah, I think I remember GreyFoxx having at least one, they seem too cheap though :)

[07:02:01]

Anduin:

Tanthrix: Yeah, I remember, if when I get an HD card I'll probably be forced to look at it.

[07:02:05]

jhulst:

You could always do a HD Homerun

[07:02:18]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: I think it's a myth bug though, nothing regarding the quality of the card. Before I upgraded, it worked perfectly, without a *single* tuning failure or similar. Only took about 15 minutes to install too.

[07:02:41]

Tanthrix:

_banyan: What exactly is the problem you're having, that the nvidia installer is killing your xorg?

[07:03:08]

Anduin:

Tanthrix: Yeah, your bt looks like a myth bug, should be unrelated to actual card (I just never scan for normal analog cards)

[07:03:43]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: I really wish I knew enough to fix it myself. I have to do all changes in the db, totally manually. Can't even import a channels.conf, since it still scans those.

[07:05:33]

Anduin:

jhulst: You have an HDHomeRun and can recommend it? (I know Chutt has one, haven't seen him complain about it)

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: In any case, the HD-5500's only redeeming quality seems to be that it's fully open source. Other than that, there's just no reason not to get an A180 or Kworld 115. Don't know anything about the HdHomeRun, but I know I do like the idea of having a tuner that I can put anywhere

[07:06:21]

Tanthrix:

IE, right next to the first splitter in the house for better signal strenth.

[07:06:31]

jhulst:

Anduin: I can recommend it, it works very well

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** Tanthrix hopes Anduin will get an A180 though so he'll fix the channel scanning bug **

[07:07:07]

Anduin:

Tanthrix: They are cheap enough I may just buy one to have a test box with HD

[07:07:10]

jhulst:

Anduin: It's nice to put anywhere, and not take up a PCI slot on my already overloaded MB/Case

[07:07:18]

_banyan:

No, not the installer exactly. The nvidia-legacy service takes my xorg.conf file and screws around with the Section "Device" section that is for the ivtv card, not the nvidia card.

[07:08:04]

Tanthrix:

_banyan: Never heard of that. Does it happen everytmie x starts or something?

[07:08:04]

tank-man:

of course you made a backup of your xorg.conf ;)

[07:08:14]

_banyan:

Every time X starts up.

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Tanthrix:

You sure about that?

[07:08:47]

Tanthrix:

That doesn't really make any sense. I have a hard time nvidia would make a driver/service that does that.

[07:08:58]

Tanthrix:

Maybe a weird distro feature?

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Anduin:

At the end of a standard install they ask if you want them to configure things (always saying no is what you should do)

[07:10:12]

_banyan:

It doesn't matter — every time X starts, I have to go in, replace the "nvidia" with "ivtv", and actually I had to chkconfig nvidia-legacy off and then restart X again.

[07:10:48]

Anduin:

Sounds like something trying to be too friendly

[07:12:03]

Tanthrix:

_banyan: Did you install the nvidia driver straight from their site, or something included with your distro?

[07:12:03]

_banyan:

Ooh, had that with Excel recently. I wanted it to add numbers from 21 columns up, but if I put a number in the 22nd column, it decided that I mistakenly excluded col. 22 and edited my formula! f**ing thing.

[07:12:11]

_banyan:

Off livna.

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Tanthrix:

_banyan: Uninstall it, and grab it properly from the site. Then when you install, just say "Don't automatically update my xconf" That should fix it.

[07:13:16]

_banyan:

from -the- site meaning which site?

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Tanthrix:

_banyan: Nvidia's

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Anduin:

I'm sure livna has a way to disable it

[07:13:39]

Tanthrix:

_banyan: They have a wonderfully simple binary driver, very easy to install.

[07:13:56]

_banyan:

Not the nvidia site... ? Presumably that installer cornholes a bunch of standard package stuff.

[07:14:35]

Tanthrix:

_banyan: If by "cornholes a bunch of standard package stuff" you mean "tends to work perfectly," then you're right on ;)

[07:14:35]

Anduin:

only a handful

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_banyan:

I used to run that thing off nvidia, but I got onto the livna one because apparently it's friendlier packaged.

[07:15:40]

_banyan:

And I do like the convenience of not having to go to nvidia to find out that an update has occurred.

[07:16:54]

_banyan:

So... if I can find out how to make that service behave, I'd rather use the livna one.

[07:17:03]

Tanthrix:

_banyan: Suit yourself.

[07:17:21]

_banyan:

Tho I should file a bug.

[07:17:46]

Tanthrix:

Doesn't sound like a bug to me. Sounds like, as Anduin said, something being too friendly

[07:17:59]

Tanthrix:

IE, the oh-so-helpful wizard that's supposed to make sure everything works

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_banyan:

It did something I didn't want it to do that messed something up. I'd call that a bug.

[07:18:33]

Tanthrix:

Yet actually tends to cause these kinds of problems. (That's why I always go straight to the source for drivers, none of this added complexity of prepackaged package crap.)

[07:19:40]

Tanthrix:

_banyan: You'd be wrong then. A bug is not "my computer doesn't magically do what I want it to do." – I find it highly unlikely someone could accidentally create a bug that rewrites your xorg with the nvidia info everytime x starts. What's more likely is it's part of the service that runs to make sure everything is working fine – for the nvidia card.

[07:19:44]

_banyan:

I do understand where you're coming from. However, I am thinking that this plan doesn't take into account the fact that I am realllllly lazy.

[07:20:17]

_banyan:

Right. However it borks a part of the xorg.conf file that it shouldn't touch, and *that* is a bug.

[07:20:57]

Tanthrix:

_banyan: Perhaps. I still find the idea of a service that runs constantly as a helper driver that rewrites any config file to be a problem. It's very windows-like, actually.

[07:21:08]

tank-man:

what distro are you using? complain to the package maintainer of the nvidia drivers

[07:21:14]

Tanthrix:

_banyan: What's the point? To help stop all those xorg-erasing viruses out there?

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_banyan:

Exactly, tank-man!

[07:22:04]

_banyan:

Tanthrix, on your last point I agree totally.

[07:22:08]

Tanthrix:

It's actually that kind of stuff that made me switch to Arch Linux, which is essentially wizard free. You have to do everything yourself.

[07:22:58]

Tanthrix:

Oddly, it seems like *less* work than dealing with ubuntu and the like. It's very overwhelming having to deal with all these mysterious wizards and such that almost never play well together. When you have to do it yourself, I think it can even same time since it simplifies things.

[07:23:13]

_banyan:

I suppose really I should just admit that doing any work to make my system function annoys me, and I should go buy a mac.

[07:23:23]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[07:24:17]

_banyan:

Tho I can't get away from it. I need to keep a fedora machine running at work for development purposes so I need to keep my chops up.

[07:24:17]

Tanthrix:

I just think you'd be happier with the stock binary driver. It literally is just one file that you need to run, and you're done. (Sometimes gotta install some kernal stuff first, but that's easy)

[07:24:53]

Tanthrix:

And updates are irrelevant. There is no reason to update your video driver unless you actually have a good reason to do so. It's those kinds of updates that tend to cause problems by violating the "Don't fix it if it's not broken" rule

[07:24:54]

jhulst:

Although on any kernel updates, you need to reinstall

[07:25:00]

Tanthrix:

That is true.

[07:25:28]

_banyan:

I did use the nvidia installer before... has it been significantly changed in the last couple years?

[07:26:16]

jhulst:

_banyan: I just used it tonight after a kernel update, it is really easy, I have no idea if its changed, but it's dead simple to use

[07:26:41]

Tanthrix:

_banyan: It's gotten better in my experience. In your case, all you'd need to do is remove what you have now. Download the binary and run it. If you need kernel headers, it will tell you, and you can grab them from your package manager. Just select "don't touch my X" and you shouldn't have to do anything else

[07:27:09]

_banyan:

Oh, sure, I think I already have the kernel header packages installed.

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_banyan:

Hmm, maybe somebody should just package the nvidia installer as a package so that you get it with yum.

[07:28:39]

_banyan:

Hmm, actually, the %post could do the install couldn't it....

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MilhousePunkRock:

Hello everyone!

[09:30:24]

** stuarta yawns **

[09:31:06]

MilhousePunkRock:

My remote control does not work in mythwelcome after hibernate, though it works in mythfrontend (which I can only start with the enter key on the keyboard)

[09:31:51]

MilhousePunkRock:

I already changed the focus settings of my WM (XFCE) to follow the mouse, did not help

[09:32:47]

MilhousePunkRock:

My guess is that mythwelcome wants the remote to be /dev/input/eventX which changes after hibernate. The frontend used to loose the remote too, that's fixed now that I set up a udev link

[09:34:07]

stuarta:

any way of making the /dev/input/eventX static?

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MilhousePunkRock:

stuarta: I don't think so. But the remote is now /dev/input/remote by a udev link

[09:38:04]

MilhousePunkRock:

stuarta: The arrow keys on the remote work in mythfrontend, but not Menu or OK

[09:38:20]

stuarta:

oddness

[09:39:01]

MilhousePunkRock:

which was the same with the varying eventX in the frontend, the arrow keys also worked there when the rest was lost

[09:40:51]

MilhousePunkRock:

The only config file of lirc that ever mentions the actual device is the hardware.conf

[09:41:10]

MilhousePunkRock:

So I really wonder where mythwelcome gets his remote from

[09:41:27]

stuarta:

that i couldn't tell you

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MilhousePunkRock:

any known config files for mythwelcome?

[09:42:19]

MilhousePunkRock:

I never needed to edit any config files for MythTV as I use MythBuntu which does pretty much all the dirty work

[09:43:16]

MilhousePunkRock:

I wonder if this behaviour might be related to the fact that mythbuntu's control centre does not show my remote any more after I replaced the remote config files with those from the wiki

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Patina:

There are two inputs on my nova-t-500 DVB-card. On one the picture is perfect, on the other there is a lot of static. Why is that?

[10:43:00]

xand:

hmm

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xand:

the two-input 500 is meant to not work in linux :o

[10:44:55]

Patina:

The one input works quite well.

[10:45:32]

Patina:

My guess is some incorrect settings, channel scan perhaps.

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Patina:

xand: Maybe you are thinking of the "diversity" model?

[11:26:01]

xand:

no

[11:28:09]

xand:

Patina: well maybe

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xand:

I thought only that one had two connectors

[11:30:02]

xand:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . ity.22_model

[11:30:21]

xand:

Patina: did you enable the on-board amp?

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Patina:

Yes I did, otherwise it doesen't work at all.

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Patina:

It seems to be a general problem with this card, others are complaining, and not just linux users.

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xand:

guess I'm lucky I got the one with only one connector

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stuarta:

Patina: there's an option you need to pass to the module that turns on the internal amplifier

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Patina:

stuarta: Oh there is, like what xand told me 10 minutes ago?

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stuarta:

heh. missed that

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stuarta:

iirc it defaults to off

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[11:51:23]

Patina:

I just checked, just to be sure, it _is_ on.

[11:51:42]

xand:

if it's a known issue that's not just linux specific, send it back

[11:52:05]

stuarta:

tried the latest kernel?

[11:55:37]

pbj_:

Hey Guys. I need a little help here. I have setup my MythTV as an Under the stairs solution, which runs perfectly – But havin a problem with ejecting the clients DVD/CDrom – Each time it'll just fails – How/what can I do to solve this problem

[11:57:18]

Patina:

xand: Happauge says they "are working on it".

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Patina:

But you are right, I really should send it back.

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anykey_:

Is someone using the osx-packager on Leopard?

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DustyBin:

how does one get streamtuner to launch xterm + mplayer and play the stream?

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DustyBin:

in the settings to play streams it uses this command: xterm -e mplayer 5p

[13:02:16]

DustyBin:

in the settings to play streams it uses this command: xterm -e mplayer %p

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DustyBin:

a window pops up for a split second, and mplayer says 'end of file'

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DustyBin:

then window closes

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crocd:

hi all, I cannot get my mythtv username to work on mthweb, I have rechecked all my passwords and reset them.It still does not acceptthe password I gave it. The mysql htaccess and all others are the same.

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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black_Nightmare_:

just curious about it but which tuner card usually comes with philips/nxp chipset instead of conexant's?

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directhex:

twinhan

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directhex:

i mean technotrend

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm thanks

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black_Nightmare_:

looking at both now just out of curiousity ;)

[14:50:42]

black_Nightmare_:

hmm is paytv any different from cable/antenna or just the physical connector alone is different?

[14:52:01]

directhex:

paid digital tv requires decryption, which requires a CI slot which you can plug a compatible CAM into

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black_Nightmare_:

ah ok..it was this that had me wondering http://www.technotrend.com/2782/TT-premium__C-2300.html

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black_Nightmare_:

even the S-2300 is same (and these two are the only card that can handle win 98/2K, go figure)

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MilhousePunkRock:

Hello everyone!

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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directhex:

why do you want win9x support?

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directhex:

you know win98 is ten years old, right?

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black_Nightmare_:

so where's a proper newer ms os that doesn't fail on PII? :p (especially for multiboot to play some older games with)

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MilhousePunkRock:

directhex: I just reinstalled that on my mothers computer, as her printer has no linux driver

[15:03:40]

directhex:

MilhousePunkRock, is the printer also ten years old?

[15:03:54]

MilhousePunkRock:

Unfortunately not

[15:05:04]

MilhousePunkRock:

She went out and bought a printer herself... And after that, she wanted me to ressurect her old computer which is less noisy then the "new" one I gave her a while ago. I said fine, but I'll put Linux on it...

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directhex:

canon?

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MilhousePunkRock:

directhex: Hell yeah... I see a correlation to the canon scanner that I borrowed not being supported in Linux either... ;)

[15:06:55]

directhex:

turboprint.de

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MilhousePunkRock:

directhex: I am not paying for a driver, really...

[15:12:41]

MilhousePunkRock:

How long should it usually take for my very first post to the mailing list to appear?

[15:15:45]

gpd:

I'm trying to stream Myth to my N800 but am getting errors with gmencoder – internal data flow error – reason not-linked. any pointers?

[15:16:16]

gpd:

http://melunkodev.blogspot.com/2007/09/mythtv-at-nokia-n800.html <-- followed this

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gpd:

I have mtv working with thumbnails of my recordings – but when played they fail

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pbj_:

Is it possible to make XMLTV collect info from 2 different places

[15:35:02]

anykey_:

pbj_: yes. Just use tv_cat and mythfilldatabase --file

[15:35:52]

pbj_:

anykey: Sorry – can you explain it a little more ?

[15:36:11]

anykey_:

pbj_: you'll need to manually run the grabbers and concat the outputs using tv_cat

[15:36:23]

anykey_:

and then fill it into the database with the mythfilldatabase --file option

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pbj_:

OK – I'll give it a sjot – or be back asking for more info – think I know what you mean

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pbj_:

Thanks

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justinh:

hmm I can't seem to see www.mythtvthemes.co.uk :(

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pbj_:

justinh: not working from Dk

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justinh:

must just be down then. wonder wtf I'm paying them for

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jams:

very slow here

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justinh:

submitted a support ticket for it

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justinh:

no idea what kind of bandwidth it's doing but going on page hits it can't be too excessive

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pbj_:

anykey: Now I have get the ahot.dk.xml after downloading the grabber and manually run the grabing. What do you mean on tv_cat ?? Is there anywhere I can read about tv-cat

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anykey_:

man tv_cat?

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Hoxzer:

isn't there a way to delete all live-tv recordings.. autoexpire doens't seem to wanna rmeove them .... I have over 870 of em so there is no way I can do this manually

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pbj_:

I read it – But after that ready ? I mean – I use a cronjob to run mythfilldatabase. Normally I have just used mythfilldatabase – and that's was it- when I now want to run from 2 different places, want to get it into the MythTv ! Should I then just point the way to the configurationfile

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anykey_:

use mythfilldatabase --file

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anykey_:

as I said

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djc_:

!seen GreyFoxx

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MythLogBot:

GreyFoxx is here and has been idle for 13 hours 23 minutes 57 seconds

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djc_:

oi

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pbj_:

I got a problem – while starting each Video or LiveTV – It starts with showing only 4:3 where I want it to start witj 16:9 – is it possible to set that anywhere

[16:20:47]

pbj_:

I cannot seem to find it anywhere during configuration of either Video og LiveTV

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darkfrog:

I have three jobs in my job queue and they all say "queued"....how can I find out why they won't run?

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grdnerd:

I'm trying to figure out why a show didn't record last night, in mythbackend.log it says it started/finished recording at the right times, there is an entry for the show in the recorded table, however the file simply isn't in my recordings directory. Is there something I should be looking for? Does ntpd mess up mythbackend?

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willcooke:

pbj_, there is an option in the frontend setup to over ride the aspect ratio

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darkfrog:

I have a user-defined job that I set to run after recording has finished...it queues up the job but never runs it. I rebooted the box hoping that the job queue thread had just died, but still it sits saying it's queued but they don't run...why?

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pbj_:

willcooke: I think I have look overall to find – but without any luckk

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willcooke:

darkfrog, how many backends do you have? if only one it will be in the backend log somewhere

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darkfrog:

willcooke, I only have one backend

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blackest:

hi any gstreamer experts about :)

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willcooke:

pbj_, settings -> TV Settings -> Playback -> 2nd screen -> Video Aspect Override. Right where I expected it to be. This is the SVN version though

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willcooke:

darkfrog, in which case start your backend up in a terminal window and keep and eye on the log, it will say why it's not running, but might be hard to spot amongst all the other info

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stuarta:

darkfrog: i'd check to see if a) that backend is set to run jobs b) that it's setup to run them anytime

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fryfrog:

omg, a darkfrog!

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darkfrog:

I'm not seeing anything in the backend output that would suggest the job is even being looked at.

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stuarta:

check in the setup

[16:45:25]

darkfrog:

+stuarta, how do I determine if the backend is set to run jobs?

[16:45:32]

blackest:

I just got the new skype beta working with gstfakevideo but i think i should be able to set a video file as a source and stream videos over skype

[16:46:00]

** stuarta tries to remember where those settings are **

[16:46:19]

willcooke:

stuarta, Went up a ladder to move the dish this morning, came back down very quickly. Turns out I'm scared of being up ladders. :(

[16:46:29]

stuarta:

:(

[16:46:34]

willcooke:

mythtv-setup for the user jobs

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stuarta:

see i knew it was there somewhere

[16:48:26]

blackest:

willcooke you don't need a high dish a few feet makes little difference to a satellite

[16:48:58]

blackest:

its a lot easier if you can keep your feet on the ground :)

[16:49:40]

darkfrog:

Oops, "Allow User Job #1" was not checked in setup. :o

[16:49:51]

stuarta:

heh, that'll be it :)

[16:49:58]

darkfrog:

Thanks for your help guys. :)

[16:50:24]

pbj_:

willcook: It is also in the normal version. Allthough they have write it it a really strange way in danish – Thanks

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willcooke:

blackest, ahmen to that!! Only problem is I can't see the right bit of sky unless it's on the roof.

[16:51:04]

willcooke:

pbj_, :)

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blackest:

hmm i guess im lucky got a house front points west, back east

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stuarta:

well round these parts you need a south facing wall

[16:53:05]

blackest:

i've got one of my dishes mounted to a window sill i just open the window if it needs tweaking

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willcooke:

:) My house is grade II listed and 300 years old – they won't let us put dishes on the front of the house. :(

[16:54:25]

blackest:

how about on a garden wall ?

[16:54:53]

benben:

stick up a pole in the garden?

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blackest:

if theres enough garden you can probably look over the top of your roof

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pbj_:

The last thing I need is to get the 2.tvgrabber to work – shouldn't this command make the file ahot.xml --> python xmltv/tv_grab_dk_all.py --out ahot.xml . Caurse I have runned it several times without getting the file

[16:55:28]

willcooke:

could do actually, I would have to bury it for a few yards to get across a shared drive, but that would be an option. Plus I could get a motor then!

[16:56:08]

benben:

justinh: can you give us a poke when you're around r.e. menus

[16:56:14]

willcooke:

pbj_, can't help there I'm afraid, I dont use xml tv

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blackest:

most dishes I've put up are pretty low, last thing i want is to be stuck up a ladder man handling a dish

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willcooke:

it's F***** scary!

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blackest:

your not kidding at one point i had an 80cm dish settin it up hanging out of a window not fun

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blackest:

its now on an eight foot pole on the side of my rear extension basically i can lower it to a safe height then later push the pole up in the brackets to its working height

[17:00:06]

blackest:

its not too bad like that it works from 42 east to 30 west

[17:01:05]

blackest:

only problem is its easy to hit your head on the pole so i hang a hanging basket off the bracket and theres no problems

[17:06:34]

jarle:

blackest: My T90 dish is 6m up on the wall, and today there has been some terrible wind almost pulling it loose from the wall. I have to way for the wind to settle down before I dare crawling onto the ladder(!)

[17:08:13]

jarle:

Scanning for dvb-s channels I end up with several channels sharing the same channel number. Any inputs on how to solve this?

[17:08:36]

vontrapp:

odd... sometimes my screen blanks and it doesn't come back until i switch vt's

[17:08:56]

blackest:

jarle I hacked the Db to sort channels

[17:09:06]

justinh:

benben: here

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jarle:

blackest: how?

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blackest:

you can change the Id for the channel basically just editing as long as the important stuff stays the same you can change things

[17:10:35]

justinh:

just back from testing the dog's new harness out. he's put weight on since we got him – nice cos he was underweight anyhow

[17:10:52]

blackest:

i redid my dvb-t so i had seperate channel ranges for different cards

[17:11:09]

jarle:

blackest: There ought to be a script that automatically fixed this problem, if no such thing exist I might put my coding skills to a test...

[17:11:26]

justinh:

willcooke: I'm not good with ladders either. heights not so much til it gets silly high but ladders up more than one storey.. sod that

[17:11:47]

blackest:

well it wasnt too hard using phpmyadmin just a chore

[17:11:56]

benben:

justinh: snap, housetraining the puppy :)

[17:12:28]

jarle:

blackest: when you say "change the id" I recon you are talking about the channum, and not the chanid?

[17:12:37]

justinh:

benben – so menus..

[17:12:46]

benben:

erm, well really – i just wanted to know where the best place is to start with the themes/menus – you mentioned stuff needed moving to a 'safe' area?

[17:13:01]

benben:

i'm new to myth btw :)

[17:13:01]

blackest:

yes it was a while ago that i did it

[17:13:13]

MilhousePunkRock:

I signed up for mythtv-users just today, is it normal that my first post did not appear on the list yet? I mailed it about 4 hrs ago...

[17:13:16]

justinh:

benben: basically don't put anything within 5% of the screen edges

[17:13:34]

benben:

oh, thats it?

[17:13:35]

blackest:

just try one channel at first so you can check if its right

[17:13:50]

jarle:

blackest: I have 3307 channels in my db, so I think a non-automated solution is out of the question :)

[17:14:14]

blackest:

hmm how many are problems

[17:14:45]

justinh:

benben: there's a bunch of other stuff I'd recommend too. 1. try not to use heavily saturated colours (see the wiki theme design guide). 2. define as many fonts as possible in theme.xml not in all the other xml files (easier to maintain when they're all in one place believe me!). 3. re-use as many images as possible to keep memory usage down

[17:15:05]

justinh:

4. GET PERMISSION to use any images you 'find'

[17:15:21]

justinh:

5. give credit for said images :)

[17:16:18]

jarle:

blackest: I have not browsed through the db yet, but I see straight away that I have 10 different channels sharing channum 1...

[17:16:22]

justinh:

it'll also help to list image sources incase somebody else takes over maintaining the theme at a later date. been scrabbling around trying to find new images for the core themes for a while. knowing what they were based on would be a big help :)

[17:16:28]

justinh:

(I know now)

[17:17:27]

benben:

ok thanks justinh, i thought i'd start with existing themes

[17:17:41]

justinh:

benben: another tip would be to change as little at a time as you dare. put  in the xml to remind you what certain things do in future. ui.xml makes it easy to get very lost very fast

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blackest:

well jarle your going to be busy either way you do it

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justinh:

benben: making your own theme you mean? what I mentioned about making the setup menus safe area aware the other needs code changes not theme changes

[17:18:25]

jarle:

blackest: actually I feel that mythtv should be responsible to take care so not two channels share a channum, so if nobody has written this yet, I'll look into it.

[17:18:38]

justinh:

benben: making your own theme you mean? what I mentioned about making the setup menus safe area aware the other day needs code changes not theme changes

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blackest:

the problem really is which channel needs to shift its not so easy to do that automatically

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justinh:

cue a channel organiser widget :D

[17:20:01]

justinh:

add to favourites, move up, move down, hide, change favourite group... (yeah favourite groups are in trunk now)

[17:20:30]

blackest:

you probably could take the unique channel index and paste it into the channel list giving each a unique id

[17:21:18]

blackest:

although then you've got 3000 odd channels with unrelated channel numbers

[17:21:35]

jarle:

blackest: I was thinking of doing it like this: go through all the channels one by one, check if there are other channels with the same channum, if so try increasing the channum by one until a free slot is available. sounds ok?

[17:22:08]

justinh:

oh and benben as far as backgrounds are concerned – experiment. photos aren't necessarily the best thing to use because image detail can detract from the foreground (i.e. the UI). and last but not least – try your damndest to stick to a 'house style' and make everything consistent. Easier said than done – look at my work (esp my earlier themes.. yeesh!)

[17:22:16]

blackest:

yes i did it with a prefix i think

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justinh:

forgot something benben – if you're making your own theme bear in mind that in 0.21 themes no longer have to be based on 800x600 and 1280x720 base resolutions so you can cater for higher resolution screens. always a good idea to keep your source images as high a res as possible anyway

[17:24:25]

blackest:

jarie you must have a motor for that many channels?

[17:24:33]

jams:

justinh- are you sure about that last statement? didn't think that was actually coded just the stub was put in place

[17:24:50]

jarle:

blackest: 4 LNB on my disc

[17:25:24]

justinh:

jams: now you mention it.. not sure at all. anyway the very last statement is def. a good idea IMHO

[17:25:33]

blackest:

cool what are you looking at ? 28.2 19 13 and ?

[17:25:51]

jams:

well thats true

[17:26:19]

jarle:

blackest: 1W 28.2E 19E 13E

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** justinh is working on a new theme at last. won't ever be available from my website though (even if it does ever come back up) **

[17:27:05]

benben:

ah ok, if it needs code changes

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blackest:

sounds like a good set up did you adapt a dish for that ?

[17:27:15]

willcooke:

jarle, whats on 13E?

[17:27:26]

jarle:

blackest: except as of midday today I do not get anything because of little storm :(

[17:27:31]

willcooke:

jarle, that's worth watching

[17:27:47]

justinh:

benben: don't let me put you off theming though. we seriously need new themes, not rehashes of MediaPortal skins either

[17:28:04]

jarle:

willcooke: http://www.lyngsat.com/hotbird.html

[17:28:26]

jarle:

willcooke: I'm not watching much there yet....

[17:28:30]

justinh:

4:3 themes are thin on the ground while the number of 4:3 users isn't necessarily shrinking much

[17:28:45]

jarle:

willcooke: a lot of german channels..

[17:28:46]

** justinh checks to see if his site is up or what **

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justinh:

aye :)

[17:35:52]

MilhousePunkRock:

justinh: Except the preview of ProjectGrayhem-OSD, everything seems to be there

[17:37:37]

justinh:

heh. that can stay broken. I'm busy

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willcooke:

jarle, is 28 the one with the better FTA stuff in your opinion?

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willcooke:

jarle, also on 13E do they have english audio channels as well as the native languages?

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** willcooke is watching some trashy thing on Astra – there's a "Judge" sitting behing a desk with a baseball bat on which is written "Justice" **

[17:48:35]

** KjetilK found it remarkably hard to find speakers to fit to his HTPC **

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KjetilK:

I haven't bought anything yet, are there IRC channels around where people discuss stuff like that?

[17:51:21]

pbj_:

anykey: I need a litle help again. How come this file ahot.xml i empty after running this command? python tv_grab_dk_ahot.py --output ahot.xml. Since I don't have any info in the file I cannot tv_cat into MythTV! I can see all the information are being dowloadet on the screen – but the file is empty

[17:55:47]

** justinh ponders #whichspeakerstobuyformyhtpc **

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** DustyBin gives justinh a copy of whathifi **

[17:57:08]

DustyBin:

justinh: are you going to do the surround sound thing

[18:00:13]

justinh:

already done it man. I was giving KjetilK a hint :P

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benben:

gah, i need more tuners

[18:01:11]

benben:

but i'm out of pci slots and i dislike usb dongles

[18:01:12]

DustyBin:

benben: no you dont, your just greedy :P

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justinh:

you need multirec!

[18:01:52]

fadec:

Has the easytvdata.org website launced? I get redirected to the for pay schedulesdirect

[18:01:56]

DustyBin:

justinh: why are frame grabbers rubbish? what is the technology behind them what you dislike?

[18:02:56]

MaxeyPad:

how do I configure my asoundrc on a mythtv box running ubuntu

[18:03:02]

** DustyBin is baffled by justinh hatred towards frame grabbers **

[18:03:29]

benben:

justinh: will that be merged in time for .21?

[18:04:16]

fadec:

I am considering purchasing the schedulesdirect data at $20/yr. Is there a free service – before I do?

[18:04:32]

** KjetilK grins at justinh and DustyBin **

[18:04:55]

justinh:

DustyBin: software encoding sucks! you generally need a soundcard per tuner. oh and analogue is going to be dead before long

[18:05:24]

justinh:

fadec: it's free to try it for a week IIRC

[18:05:58]

fadec:

justinh: I heard there was free data. That must be what the rumor referred too. Thanks.

[18:06:34]

tank-man:

fadec, there is zap2xml but the listings have limited info of the tv shows

[18:06:47]

fadec:

ok

[18:07:40]

justinh:

hmm currently my theme work timer stands at 7 hours & not finished yet :P

[18:08:24]

fadec:

Well, $20 isn't much anyway. My wife loves myth.

[18:08:44]

fadec:

I never use it. I'm just the tech.

[18:09:12]

justinh:

need to know howmuch time a theme takes from start to finish so I can give quotes to interested parties :P

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darkfrog:

Got an odd problem. I'm using the script here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Commercials for removing commercials from my recordings, which works as long as I re-code to MPEG-4, but if I try to use lossless transcoding it seems to not transcode at all and never ends up removing the commercials...what can I do to make it actually cut out my commercials and still keep MPEG-2 format?

[18:26:44]

darkfrog:

Here's the actual log when I manually run it: http://pastebin.com/md6ea9b4

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DustyBin:

justinh: check out all these PDF reviews: http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-bin/displayreviews.php

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DustyBin:

imagine one turned on SKY and a juski theme was staring at you in the face :-S

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KnyghtMare:

I have an saa7133-alsa driver installed for my tuner card to work with analogue TV

[18:41:26]

KnyghtMare:

what should I set as the Audio device in the config of a capture card ?

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justinh:

DustyBin: well done

[18:44:51]

fadec:

> mythfilldatabase --file tv.xml ... missing or invalid parameters for --file option

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fadec:

what in the world is going on?

[18:45:16]

DustyBin:

that man

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DustyBin:

justinh: im currently researching a TV with these features: LCD Television 26" / HDMI VGA Inputs / 1:1 pixel mapping / good grey to grey times / good real contrast ratio / S-IPS or PVA panel / 16.7m colour depth / assign outputs with no TV logic / less as possible built in / 100Hz refresh rate

[18:46:58]

willcooke:

How does the EIT listings work when you're not watching TV? Does it tune to a MUX for a little bit and save the listings, then move on to another mux?

[18:48:23]

DarK:

I have a question: when running mythfilldatabase it says it can't connect to the backend server (backand + frontend on same pc). It suggests to set up the proper IP adress but the IP is correct. Any ideas?

[18:49:25]

DustyBin:

DarK: mythtvsetup make sure both IP addresses are the same

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DarK:

they are

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willcooke:

and that the backend is running

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DustyBin:

DarK: local address?

[18:49:54]

DarK:

its not...and I cant even start it manually

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DustyBin:

127.0.0.1 ?

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DarK:

I can, but "ps aux | grep back" doesnt show mythbackend running

[18:50:18]

DarK:

no, my internal network ip, 192.168.123.7

[18:50:30]

DustyBin:

if its running on the same box, try 127.0.0.1

[18:50:42]

DarK:

okay

[18:50:59]

DustyBin:

make sure you put in both entries

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DarK:

i'll try that, thanks! brb

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KnyghtMare:

anybody ?

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benben:

heh, xorg is such a mystery sometimes

[18:54:49]

clever:

2008-01–05 14:53:05.779 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.

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clever:

2008-01–05 14:53:06.443 RingBuf(myth://192.168.1.60:6543/1045_20080105100000.mpg) Error: RingBuffer::safe_read(RemoteFile* ...): read failed

[18:55:02]

clever:

how would i figure out WHY its failing to read exactly?

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DarK:

DustyBin: it works now :) Thanks again!

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DustyBin:

aye good

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KnyghtMare:

hello ?

[19:05:51]

Toxicity999:

justinh you're my hero for the mythappearance thing, it took me about an hour to tweak the screensize perfectly prior.

[19:06:11]

clever:

lol

[19:06:19]

clever:

my tvout card underscans

[19:06:33]

clever:

and everything else is crt or lcd based and lacks overscan

[19:06:40]

KnyghtMare:

Audio device in card setup is audio device to read sound from?

[19:06:55]

clever:

i beleive so

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KnyghtMare:

how do I find what that is?

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clever:

try each one till sound works

[19:07:51]

KnyghtMare:

I have no options in the drop down

[19:08:05]

clever:

what card are you recording with?

[19:08:20]

KnyghtMare:

a Kworld 115

[19:08:36]

clever:

what type is it set to in mythtv-setup

[19:08:41]

KnyghtMare:

analogue

[19:09:01]

clever:

i mean is it a framegrabber or hardware encoder?

[19:09:58]

KnyghtMare:

no idea

[19:10:36]

Toxicity999:

it should say somewhere in the specs "Software encoding" or "hardware encoding"

[19:10:44]

justinh:

won't be a HW encoder

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KnyghtMare:

as I understand it, using it as analogue is a frame grabber

[19:11:18]

justinh:

clever: one day it might tie into nvdia-settings

[19:11:28]

KnyghtMare:

the card scans for channels and finds them

[19:11:31]

KnyghtMare:

a good sign

[19:11:38]

KnyghtMare:

but when trying to play

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clever:

justinh: yeah that could be usefull but the defaults for my nvidia are perfect allready:)

[19:11:42]

KnyghtMare:

I get weird errors

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justinh:

hybrid tuners are a waste of time IMHO

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clever:

hybrid?

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KnyghtMare:

yes

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KnyghtMare:

that helps me

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KnyghtMare:

thanks

[19:12:39]

KnyghtMare:

http://privatepaste.com/8c1kyRYFOv

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KnyghtMare:

any ideas ?

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Iolaus:

Hey guys, I think I'm running into this problem http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2008-January/059351.html with my mythbuntu trunk install

[19:20:27]

Iolaus:

except I'm getting it when trying to start the frontend

[19:20:37]

Iolaus:

since I didn't compile but installed from the mythbuntu trunk packages

[19:20:48]

Iolaus:

is there a simple way to fix the problem?

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justinh:

you know you should always run exactly the same version of mythtv on all machines. it's the only supported thing to do

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Iolaus:

justinh: I'm running the mythbuntu trunk version on all boxes now

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Iolaus:

it's just that the backend (which I'd also occasionally like to run a frontend on just for testing) is having that problem with the nvidia drivers

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Iolaus:

apparantly, ubuntu's nvidia legacy drivers claim to support GL 1.4 but don't (at least fully).

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fadec:

I updated used zap2xml to update my db but the listings in mythweb still show the old channels "Adding Channel 2". The channels are in the channel table though in triplicate – one for each tuner plus the old one with the "Adding CHannel ..." name.

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fadec:

Why isn't mythweb using the new data for listings? It finds it in search.

[19:35:05]

fadec:

also – when I search I get things in double... once for each tuner.

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Anduin:

fadec: If you have multiple then you have different source ids

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fadec:

Anduin: source id is the tuner, right?

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Anduin:

fadec: No, a tuner is associated with one, it uniquely identifies a listing

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DarK:

hmm I stumbled upon another problem: I added my channels, I can see all my channels and what program is running on what channel but somehow I can't record a show, also "watch tv" doenst work. It tries to watch tv but falls back to mythtv after 3secs. Any idea?

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fadec:

Shoot.

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fadec:

I need mythfilldatabase to update my existing records and then delete the extras I created manually I suppose. I used the --do-channel-updates. Should --do-channel-updates update where sourceid is the same?

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Toxicity999:

Cool didn't notice the icon downloader in setup till now =]

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Anduin:

Toxicity999: in trunk? It is new.

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stuarta:

please report any issues, it's kinda buggy atm, but give it a whirl

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mchou:

so what's the word on the latest 32-bit driver from nvidia 169.07? good to use with myth or no?

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Toxicity999:

Yea, I'd heard about it, but just found it.

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Toxicity999:

Locked up at the end... ehhhh

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stuarta:

it might be searching for your icons

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Toxicity999:

No no network traffic

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Toxicity999:

worked the second time.

[19:49:43]

Toxicity999:

Wait

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Toxicity999:

doesn't seem to be assigning custom searches

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Toxicity999:

Oh well for now, got all but 12

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stuarta:

it's a bit odd, but you have to stick in the box.

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J-e-f-f-A-2:

J-e-f-f-A

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J-e-f-f-A:

Anyone got the LCD working in an Antec Fusion Black case?

[19:54:08]

benben:

whats your issue?

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Toxicity999:

seems like people have.

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Toxicity999:

after a quick google

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DarK:

J-e-f-f-A: if u were able to set it up, pls let me know. I just bought that case too

[19:57:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

Well, I was following a howto for Ubuntu, but it seems that lirc 0.8.3 now has the imon driver built in. Perhaps the pathes foobared it.. The IR receiver works perfect...

[19:57:15]

Toxicity999:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=611469

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J-e-f-f-A:

Toxicity999: Thanks — I missed that thread in my googling...

[19:59:09]

Toxicity999:

I didn't read it all but it sounded like some success.

[19:59:18]

Toxicity999:

how much do those cases go for? they look neat.

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fadec:

mythfilldatabase --file 1 -1 xmltv.xml ... this creates duplicates with the same sourceid (1). What am I doing wrong?

[20:00:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

Toxicity999: Retail is $199... I got mine at CompUSA's 'going out of business' "Sale" (yeah, right) for 20% off, so $160. But mine was damaged from being dropped, so I had to fix it myself when I got home... (no returns)

[20:00:28]

fadec:

I want to update the existing channels

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Toxicity999:

Screw that O_o I can't justify paying that much on a case.

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DarK:

I bought mine in Belgium, 180EUR

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DarK:

180EUR is more than $200

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J-e-f-f-A:

It's neat being able to turn on the system by remote... ;-)

[20:03:17]

Toxicity999:

I love the new screen adjuster, 1–2hours of trial and error on this slow build compared to 5 minutes ><

[20:03:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

Toxicity999: I figure by the time you add it all up... LCD – IR Receiver – 430W supply, Quiet system (Dual 120mm fans – 3 speed), nice case design, it's worht it...

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DarK:

J-e-f-f-A: I think so too

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Toxicity999:

ah it comes with PSU/Receiver?

[20:03:55]

Toxicity999:

maybe for my next build...

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DarK:

yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yep

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Toxicity999:

I kind of just have a regular PC in a drawer with no case, rofl.

[20:04:27]

Toxicity999:

keeps cool enough the way I rigged it.

[20:04:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

Toxicity999: Was that you with the pics of all the components in a desk 'shelf'?

[20:04:48]

Toxicity999:

and if I see it getting hot, pop open the doors =P

[20:05:08]

Toxicity999:

J-e-f-f-A Yea, it's different now though, had to rebuild, and didn't want to put up with dramming it in there again.

[20:05:18]

Toxicity999:

so I threw it in a huge shelf with front doors.

[20:05:34]

Toxicity999:

It was a fun hack though =P

[20:05:41]

Toxicity999:

Redneck engineered.

[20:05:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

My backend is a 'mid tower' with tons of disk, lots of fans, and 5 tuners...

[20:05:54]

Toxicity999:

rofl.

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Toxicity999:

I just have one tuner right now

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Toxicity999:

getting a framegrabber for Gaming though.

[20:06:12]

Toxicity999:

cheap 10$ job

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fadec:

How can I stop mythfilldatabase from creating duplicate sourceid's in the channel table?

[20:06:46]

mchou:

Toxicity999: framegrabbers are $10 where?

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J-e-f-f-A:

This Antec is going to be (probably) just a frontend, it's too pretty to be kept in the basement. ;-) I'm using it to 'prototype' a slave backend with more tuners...

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: what's the knob on the Antec for?

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DarK:

I just bought mine 2 days ago

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DarK:

mchou: volume

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mchou:

DarK: which volume?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Volume, or whatever you want really...

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Toxicity999:

mchou cheap job on newegg it's just one of those things intended for hand recording capture, VHS encoding, etc

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Toxicity999:

kworld or something

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: On MS it controls the master volume.

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DarK:

mchou: Im still setting up my mythbox, so far the knob does nothing yet ;)

[20:09:01]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: is the volume knob on a servo?

[20:09:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: In Linux it shows up as a remote control, with 2 'buttons'...

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mchou:

I mean does the knob turn as use use the remote to adjust volume?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: No. Just an input.

[20:10:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: It's like an arcade 'spinner', no stops, just spin right to turn up, left to turn down.

[20:10:33]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: ok.

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** J-e-f-f-A could use it with mame for TEMPEST... ;-) **

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mchou:

I still think that case it too pricy

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DarK:

it is

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DarK:

but I dont think my parents would appreciate having an ugly case in our living room

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, at $199 I'd agree it's on the high side... But I got mine for $160, which is 'liveable'

[20:11:51]

mchou:

bah, even 160 is a rip

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DarK:

hmm I stumbled upon another problem: I added my channels, I can see all my channels and what program is running on what channel but somehow I can't record a show, also "watch tv" doenst work. It tries to watch tv but falls back to mythtv after 3secs. Any idea?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I dunno.. with the LCD, 430W ps, IR receiver, two huge 120mm fans (3-speed), and very nice looks, I think it's pretty good. But it's only uATX... (4 slots)

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: you actually went to the CompUSA closing 4-ever sale?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: yeah, but I'm careful what I buy there, and watch prices pretty closely.

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: I generally dont go to closing 4-ever sales cause once the liquidators take over the stock it's really no longer a sale

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I went the first time too, when they closed 1/2 of their stores... (2 of them were within 15 miles of my house)

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pbj_:

Hey – I'm trying to grab xmltv from 2 different channels – But each time it removes it's own data again – so ending up with no data at all ??? like this : removing conflicting program: TV1000 Rent 20080111230000–20080112011000

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pbj_:

conflicted with : TV1000 Beck 20080111230000–20080112010000

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, but this case was selling for $199 even before the sale, so 20% off was a good deal for it...

[20:14:32]

mchou:

they just artificially inflate the frices and then do a 20% mark down or whatever

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** willcooke ponders the move from EIT to RT **

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mchou:

prices*

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stuarta:

willcooke: wot's wrong with EIT?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Well, what they usually do is bounce the prices back up to MSRP, then take the % off of that...

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stuarta:

i'm fixing the fixups atm

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: yeah, same result

[20:15:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

stuarta: Is that a double-negative "fixing the fixups"... so you're not fixing them? ;-)

[20:15:54]

stuarta:

nope

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A-2: cause nobody actually pays MSRP anywhere

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willcooke:

I'm not sure the FTA channels on Astra 28 are all providing EIT. How long would you expect it to take to fully populate tonights tv listings?

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stuarta:

it's not a double negative

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stuarta:

willcooke: ah, nobody's actually been able to test that for me before :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Exactly... But this case sells for $199 all day everywhere else (even newegg), so I figured it was a decent deal for $160.

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willcooke:

stuarta, :)

[20:17:16]

willcooke:

stuarta, I think most of them do – but I'm not sure how the EIT works. Will it tune to a MUX when idle and download EIT?

[20:17:36]

stuarta:

if you are up for some testing then we can have a play

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willcooke:

stuarta, me?

[20:17:57]

stuarta:

yup

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willcooke:

stuarta, FTW!

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stuarta:

well, none of use devs have access to the sat

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willcooke:

stuarta, just compiling SVN atm, but I can stop it.

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stuarta:

no that's good :)

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stuarta:

have you not tested it with head yet?

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willcooke:

coolio – give it 15mins for the MBE and 20 for the SBA/FE to finish.

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stuarta:

np

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stuarta:

i'll be here for it

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Hi there — any luck with the thumbnail issue (backend taking 100%) yet?

[20:19:33]

xris:

nope

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Rudd-O:

hi guise

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Ok, thanks. ;-)

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willcooke:

stuarta, the sat card has been idle for about 4 hours now and still hasn't updated the listings – when I tune to a mux it starts doing its thing

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stuarta:

s/it/the evening/

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Rudd-O:

anyone know about any gamma control patch for MythTV?

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stuarta:

willcooke: ah

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: there's a ticket if you want to watch the progress

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stuarta:

so the passive eit works

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willcooke:

passive? wouldnt that be active? in that I'm tuned to the mux

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: I'm subscribed to the lists, I just havent' got around to reviewing the last couple of days yet. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: (Sorry, I guess I'm just being lazy)

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stuarta:

willcooke: yes passive. active walks the muxes to get all the data, passive just collects while you are watching/recording

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mchou:

Rudd-O: you sure that not a video adapter issue?

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willcooke:

stuarta, Ahhh, ok – yes that makes more sense

[20:21:54]

Rudd-O:

mchou: it's definitely a video adapter issue, gamma cannot be altered neither for the graphics card nor for the Xv subsystem

[20:21:59]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: or just go to svn.mythtv.org/trac and look at the ticket. :)

[20:22:07]

Rudd-O:

and that's why I want software gamma control, like VLC, Xine and Kaffeine have

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J-e-f-f-A:

That just reminded me of something... when watching flash playback from mythweb, if you stop it, the ffmpeg stays running... Is that normal, or does it time out after 5 mins or something? (Just something I observed)

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Rudd-O:

thanks for your reply mchou

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Iolaus:

does anyone know what libraries/packages I may be missing that would cause a trunk compile to error out with "undefined reference to 'img_resampe'"?

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Iolaus:

oops, image_resample

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willcooke____:

damn wireless network

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stuarta:

he

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Rudd-O:

lolaus: lemme look it up

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Rudd-O:

ffmpeg

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Rudd-O:

!!!

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Rudd-O:

you are lacking the dynamic link library of ffmpeg

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Rudd-O:

so, mchou , ideas?

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Iolaus:

Rudd-O: thanks for the help.

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stuarta:

Rudd-O: that's crap

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stuarta:

myth has it's own copy of the ffmpeg libs

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mchou:

Rudd-O: ideas on what? Broken HW dont get fixed by SW :)

[20:24:18]

Rudd-O:

stuarta: hey, I just googled that

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stuarta:

so you can't be "missing" them

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Rudd-O:

mchou: yes it does, I can watch films jsut fine in VLC, why can't I watch TV just fine in Myth as well?

[20:24:38]

Iolaus:

stuarta: any idea what it might be (if not ffmpeg)?

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stuarta:

pastebin the compile error

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Rudd-O:

u telling me I can't watch TV without blowing up my whites?

[20:25:08]

Iolaus:

stuarta: will do...

[20:27:24]

Iolaus:

compile error: http://pastebin.ca/842998

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Rudd-O:

so, mchow, ideas?

[20:27:54]

Rudd-O:

I logged a feature request on the bug tracker, and it got immediately closed saying "no patch" like I know how to implement it, or like it wasn't even worth considering and pondering

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stuarta:

Rudd-O: the wiki is used for feature requests

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Rudd-O:

stuarta: odd, didn't see that in the "rules of engagement" wiki page

[20:28:23]

stuarta:

not trac

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stuarta:

it's in the ticket howto

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Rudd-O:

ok, so where are tue rules of engagement for the wiki?

[20:28:54]

Rudd-O:

OK, spotted the rule

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stuarta:

:)

[20:29:55]

Rudd-O:

figuring where to write

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Iolaus:

stuarta: does the compile error shed any light the problem?

[20:30:25]

stuarta:

lemme have a look

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Rudd-O:

what's LanczosLanczos

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Rudd-O:

?

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Rudd-O:

I mean lanczos

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Iolaus:

it's a scaling algorithm

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Rudd-O:

what's the differnce with bicubic?

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Iolaus:

lanczos is better :)

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stuarta:

Iolaus: what have you done differently ?

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Rudd-O:

but why?Â¡

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Iolaus:

stuarta: this is my first time trying to compile from source

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stuarta:

okay

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mchou:

Iolaus: it helps if you read the docs and follow directins

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mchou:

directions*

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Rudd-O:

compiling from source... ahhhh, the gooden olden days

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mchou:

not having ffmpeg-devel installed is a big give away

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Iolaus:

mchou: I was trying to follow a tutorial on installing from SVN in Ubuntu

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Rudd-O:

I got 0.17 that way

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Rudd-O:

to be able to record shit

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Rudd-O:

I mean, tvtime is the BEST quality player, but it doesn't record

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willcooke____:

stuarta, do you know about "OpenTV" for EPG?

[20:34:05]

Rudd-O:

but man tvtime looks gooooooood

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mchou:

I dont think I stopped compiling until 20.2

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stuarta:

mchou: my point being you shouldn't need ffmpeg-devel installed since myth has it's own copy of ffmpeg

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mchou:

stuarta: that's not what myth docs say

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** stuarta raises an eyebrow **

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mchou:

stuarta: go check if you dont believe me

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stuarta:

i just find it odd

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stuarta:

Iolaus: try installing the ffmpeg-devel package then

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stuarta:

or -dev if on ubuntu/debian

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mchou:

cause all the precompiled myth packages always had some issues

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stuarta:

first i heard of it.

[20:37:06]

stuarta:

perhaps i've been living under a rock

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Rudd-O:

mchou: you heard wrong

[20:37:48]

Rudd-O:

mchou: it works flawlessly on my kubuntu media server and kubuntu desktop

[20:37:50]

mchou:

Rudd-O: heard what wrong?

[20:37:50]

Rudd-O:

FLAWLESSLY

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mchou:

lol

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Rudd-O:

<mchou> cause all the precompiled myth packages always had some issues

[20:38:04]

Rudd-O:

I'm talkig about that

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mchou:

dont be an idiot

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Iolaus:

doesn't look like ubuntu has an ffmpeg-dev package. I guess I can try to install the dev packages for the individual pieces (like libavcodec-dev, etc)

[20:38:26]

GreyFoxx:

stuarta: I don't know what's in the docs, or what packagers think is required. But it's not required by myth

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mchou:

Rudd-O: kubuntu itself is bug infested crap w/o myth

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stuarta:

GreyFoxx: that's what i've been trying to tell everyone

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Rudd-O:

mchou: odd, I don't think the way you do. can you quote a bug to see ifI have spotted it?

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stuarta:

i can't possibly see a reason for it to need it since it already has it's own copy

[20:39:02]

GreyFoxx:

I know at one point the flash streaming in mythweb required ffmpeg, but that is not required for anything else

[20:39:25]

GreyFoxx:

sutart: up until a couple weeks ago I didn;t have it installed on ANY of my machines so I know it's not required :)

[20:39:42]

mchou:

Rudd-O: sure. boot up the kubuntu liveCD and see if crap out all over the kde desktop

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Rudd-O:

mchou: how odd, I used it to install my machine, never saw anything crap out, and I use it on the road

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Rudd-O:

I guess you were unlucky :-)

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stuarta:

looking at that build error, it's actually a linking problem

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mchou:

Rudd-O: luck has nothing to do with it. Kubuntu has long been the neglected stepchild

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mchou:

Rudd-O: some lip service ubuntu ppl give for kubuntu

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Rudd-O:

dude, neglected or not, you can't disregard the effort jucato and the others have been pouring into kubuntu, damnit

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Rudd-O:

and you can say it's neglected, but it works LIKE A CHARM in my two computers

[20:42:17]

Rudd-O:

never hangs, never fails

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Rudd-O:

I've seen 60+days uptime, and if the windowing system (which, by the way, it's the same EVERYWHERe, Xorg) hangs, a sysrq+k always does the job

[20:43:13]

Rudd-O:

plus, I can't complain about Myth working fine here. it does.

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mchou:

Rudd-O: no, the windowing system is not the same everywhere

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Iolaus:

stuarta: my build error?

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stuarta:

ya

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mchou:

Rudd-O: that's where you have lousy assumptions

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Rudd-O:

mchou: the windowing system is the same everywhere, all the distros are carrying xorg 7.2 and ubuntu's may have some small patches, but it works fine, just fine

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stuarta:

did you force the cpu on the configure line?

[20:43:50]

mchou:

different distros incorporate different fixes

[20:43:51]

Iolaus:

I tried installing anything ffmpeg dev related and had the same issue.

[20:43:57]

Iolaus:

No, I didn't force the CPU

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** stuarta throws that idea out **

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Rudd-O:

mchou: I know how distro patching works. it works fine for me, it's always worked fine, and I certainly haven't seen KDE crap out on me, not like it did on fedora or mandrake.

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Iolaus:

I'm now trying a very basic config (only --prefix) to see what happens

[20:44:41]

mchou:

Rudd-O: just go ask any serious KDE dev how stable they think kubuntu is

[20:44:44]

Rudd-O:

when kdesktop used to crap out regularly, and if I was lucky and had a terminal open, I could reopen it because alt+f2 was gone

[20:45:10]

Rudd-O:

mchou: I've talked to aaron, he doesn't have kubuntu in high esteem, but I do, therefore aaron's opinion means nothing to my use case

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Iolaus:

hmm.. with the simpler ./configure I get a smaller (but similar) error: http://pastebin.ca/843024

[20:45:58]

mchou:

Rudd-O: fine. It's a POS afaic. We agree to disagree

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stuarta:

Iolaus: did you do a make distclean before the configure?

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Rudd-O:

mchou: we happily disagree. I'm on a couple beers so :-)

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Iolaus:

stuarta: no, I didn't

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stuarta:

rule #1. always make distclean if having any problems

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Iolaus:

Good to know! I'll give that a try. :)

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willcooke:

Iolaus, I'm coming to this party a little late – am I correct in thinking you're compiling from source on an ubuntu distro?

[20:48:03]

Iolaus:

willcooke: exactly

[20:48:08]

Iolaus:

or trying to ;)

[20:48:44]

willcooke:

Iolaus, in which case.....

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willcooke:

Iolaus, have a look at: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . buntu_Breezy

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Rudd-O:

Iolaus: kind of hard to do hehe

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Rudd-O:

may I ask, why are ou compiilng from source?

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willcooke:

Iolaus, make sure all the packages are installed

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Rudd-O:

no backports with the latest source?

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Rudd-O:

you may want to apt-get source -b from a hardy repo

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willcooke:

Iolaus, from the "What packages do I need to install first" section

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Iolaus:

willcooke: I was following that tutorial

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willcooke:

Iolaus, ahhh. sorry.

[20:49:40]

Iolaus:

willcooke: no problem :)

[20:50:04]

willcooke:

Iolaus, in which case something is wrong, cos I did that about 30 mins ago, and it worked for me :/

[20:50:59]

Iolaus:

willcooke: You were able to install all the packages from "What Packages do I need to install first?" and then just compile the source?

[20:51:30]

willcooke:

Iolaus, yeah. it just worked

[20:52:05]

Iolaus:

willcooke: Maybe it was part of my config then. I'm re-running the make after a make distclean (as suggested by stuarta)

[20:52:16]

Iolaus:

maybe it will go through this time

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Iolaus:

I wonder if the problem stemmed from me adding --enable-swscaler

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willcooke:

Iolaus, ahh. It's also worth mentioning that I have ffmpeg install from source as well, although in theory that makes no difference at all

[20:53:57]

willcooke:

Iolaus, I just did a plain ./configure && make – so perhaps that is the problem

[20:53:58]

stuarta:

Iolaus: definitely try without that

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Iolaus:

willcooke: that's interesting. If I run into a problem with this compile maybe I'll look into ffmpeg from source.

[20:54:44]

Iolaus:

I was hoping the --enable-swscaler would allow me to use lanczos scaling on my DVDs but perhaps I'm getting ahead of myself :)

[20:55:37]

willcooke:

Iolaus, I wouldn't worry about that for the time being. I dont use it and I've never had any quality problems. I am running at SD though

[20:55:53]

keith__:

can someone help me get myth backend to serve videos over upnp? i can't get it to work

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Iolaus:

willcooke: I'm kind of anal about video quality. I'm coming from Windows where I use FFDShow (which is based on FFMPeg) to do all my scaling and post-processing

[20:57:08]

Iolaus:

The end goal is to use Myth in my theater (110" screen @ 1080P) and scaling starts to make a huge difference

[20:57:44]

willcooke:

Iolaus, I know what you mean – I used to care about that sort of thing. I spent months and months tweaking my dvd ripping scripts to get the best possible quality, in the end it turned out the defaults were comparable

[20:58:00]

willcooke:

Iolaus, yeah, HD would be more of a challenge

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Iolaus:

willcooke: it certainly can get out of hand :) To me, right now, scaling is the big thing I'm concerned with. The other tweaks I can live without but upscaling DVD to 1080P looked pretty crappy with the default Myth scaling.

[20:59:24]

markin:

Greetings.

[20:59:26]

markin:

Problem: I get a blue bar (where I'd expect the picture) and black bars at top and bottom (as expected for letter-boxing the picture on my 4:3 monitor).I'm using mythtv for analog and digital channels over the air with pcHDTV-3000. Analog channels are fine. I know they are tuning in fine because I see the show playing in thumbnail version in the recordings list.

[20:59:55]

justinh:

sounds like an ATI driver problem

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Iolaus:

That's when I read about mythvid branch and that it is supposed (not sure if already, but eventually) allow Lanczos scaling

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markin:

justinh, was that in respones to me?

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Iolaus:

Hey guys, it looks like the compile succeeded this time!!!

[21:01:12]

stuarta:

woot

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willcooke:

Iolaus, the problems of being an early adopter. I don't think many people (in the grand scheme of things) use HD yet

[21:01:23]

Iolaus:

I guess it must have been the --enable-swscaler giving me trouble

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stuarta:

don't know anybody who uses it

[21:01:41]

Iolaus:

willcooke: very true

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stuarta:

actually i think the swscaler is suffering bitrot

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justinh:

only know of 2 shows worth watching in HD. and then maybe not even them

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Iolaus:

It really is amazing how good DVD content can look with good upscaling and a bit of post-processing

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justinh:

Iolaus: lanczos is in libswscale

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justinh:

in the mythtv source

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Iolaus:

justinh: does that mean I can select it as a filter for the internal player?

[21:04:15]

Rudd-O:

lanczos rules

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Rudd-O:

iolaus: turn down your sharpness in your TV and you'll see how bad it looks ;-)

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Iolaus:

Rudd-O: My projector is pretty well calibrated. Lanczos resizing of DVD content to 1080P looks quite amazing. It's not quite HD quality but it's damn close.

[21:05:56]

Rudd-O:

projector? what kind of projector?

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Iolaus:

JVC RS-1

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Rudd-O:

yeah but what kind is it

[21:06:27]

Rudd-O:

is it like an infocus? a front projector screen?

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Iolaus:

that is the kind. Make: JVC Model: RS-1

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willcooke:

did multirec get included today?

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** stuarta goes to watch some stuff on the big tv **

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Iolaus:

stuarta: what's the big TV? :)

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Rudd-O:

ok, what technology then?

[21:07:53]

Rudd-O:

I have a very large TV

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Rudd-O:

it's 14" and manufactured by compaq twelve years ago

[21:08:15]

Rudd-O:

the image looks amazing when I'm 12 inches from the screen

[21:08:16]

Rudd-O:

HAHAA

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Iolaus:

Rudd-O: Here's the info: http://www.projectorcentral.com/JVC-DLA-RS1U.htm

[21:09:10]

Rudd-O:

thanksx

[21:09:15]

Rudd-O:

loÃ¡ding

[21:09:19]

Rudd-O:

damn the site sets a cookie

[21:09:25]

Rudd-O:

how does it look on a bright room?

[21:09:28]

Rudd-O:

is it vieweable?

[21:09:33]

Rudd-O:

how does it ocmpare to a plasma or LCD tv?

[21:09:38]

Rudd-O:

(curious about it)

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Iolaus:

it probably isn't the best choice for a bright room

[21:10:03]

Iolaus:

even as projectors go (which aren't the best choice for a bright room)

[21:10:30]

Iolaus:

the strength of the RS-1 is the contrast ratio (15000:1 with no dynamic iris)

[21:10:53]

Rudd-O:

oh fuck, $5500???????????????

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Iolaus:

You can find it for around $4K, but yea

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Rudd-O:

my car sold for $1800!!!!!!!!!!!

[21:11:21]

Rudd-O:

ok my car was from 1977 but anyway you get my point!

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markin:

At the time of starting to watch the HD channel, I get this (among other things, is this related to my problem?) in /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log:

[21:11:42]

markin:

2008-01–05 16:03:11.663 VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed

[21:11:43]

markin:

2008-01–05 16:03:11.663 VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'Intel(R) Video Overlay'

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Rudd-O:

maybe the resolution is too high for the xv overlay?

[21:12:24]

Rudd-O:

IU have no idea but I'm just throwing that option out

[21:12:29]

Rudd-O:

out there

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willcooke:

markin, does XvMC work the rest of the time?

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jduggan:

hey guys, recording from a STB into a pvr150 – the color looks really dull, but its fine straight into the TV, i can compensate a little by changing teh tv's contrast, but its only about 70% right even at 100% (obviously, turning back to other inputs and this is stupidly intense), anyone know how i can fix it?

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markin:

currently my monitor is 1920x1440 but I also tried it at 1280x1024 so I don't think that's it.

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willcooke:

markin, do you get that error when watching SD?

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markin:

(i.e. I still had the same problem when I turned down the xorg resolution)

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Rudd-O:

jduggan: how dull? like washed out? like tendig to grey?

[21:14:20]

jduggan:

Rudd-O: yes just like that

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Rudd-O:

ok, that was two choices

[21:14:35]

Rudd-O:

how does it look on the computer monitor?

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markin:

watching analog channels is fine(or you mean digital-but-Standard-Def channels)

[21:14:41]

markin:

?

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Rudd-O:

oh, so it's just an HDTV issue?

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markin:

right

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jduggan:

Rudd-O: im using a HD tv, if that counts. its kinda washed

[21:15:22]

jduggan:

Rudd-O: HDTV with vga input

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Rudd-O:

your TV's picture controls are on default?

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Rudd-O:

(default/defeat)?

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jduggan:

yes its default

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Rudd-O:

hmmmmmm

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jduggan:

which is fine when the stb connects straight into the tv

[21:16:25]

jduggan:

but into the card its dull

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Rudd-O:

how do computer graphics like your desktop, pictures, windows look regarding color?

[21:16:29]

markin:

I'm only viewing it on a computer monitor, there is no TV involved.

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Rudd-O:

then the issue is definitely on your display adapter, not on your capture card

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Rudd-O:

unless....unlesss... your display card has some sort of digital bypass that diverts the live signal, and myth is screwing with the recording.

[21:17:22]

Rudd-O:

quick tip? disable the adjust filter on the channel you want to record

[21:17:36]

Rudd-O:

in the recording filters on mythtv-setup set adjust=-1

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Rudd-O:

and in the playback filters set adjust=-1

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Rudd-O:

see what that does

[21:18:03]

Rudd-O:

over here it fixed a serious dark/black light/white crop issue that I had

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markin:

I meant to follow up with (from mythfront.log)

[21:18:19]

Rudd-O:

myth was cropping the darker portions and ligher portions of the image, made TV REALLY lousy

[21:18:25]

jduggan:

are you talking to me? or markin

[21:19:12]

markin:

after the VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed lines I then get continuous repeats 4 lines starting with

[21:19:14]

markin:

Error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) 11

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stuarta:

dammit. haven't rebuilt the frontend since i updated the backend

[21:19:16]

markin:

Major opcode: 141

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markin:

Minor opcode: 19

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markin:

Resource id: 0x0

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jduggan:

markin: are you using onboard vga?

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markin:

yes it is (from lspci) VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)

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markin:

my xorg is using (what I believe is) the correct accelerated driver for that, the i810.

[21:21:21]

jduggan:

i had the same issue with an intel card

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nemik:

yea, the intel cards do have issues. are you running compiz?

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jduggan:

from what i read (i could be wrong) use the 'intel' driver rather than i810, in xorg

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jduggan:

.conf

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Rudd-O:

markin: definitely the resolution is too large for xv

[21:21:56]

Rudd-O:

try tvtime to troubleshoot the issue?

[21:22:10]

markin:

I don't know what compiz iz so I don't know if I'm running it.

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jduggan:

markin: also, have you set VideoRAM in your xorg.conf?

[21:22:33]

nemik:

markin: what distro are you running? do the windows wobble and have effects when you move them?

[21:22:52]

markin:

oh, yeah, I remember doing that (VideoRAM) a couple of distro/installs ago last year.

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willcooke:

markin, I think that XvMC is failing for HD, and that it's falling back to XV. Do you get a picture at all when viewing HD?

[21:23:28]

markin:

Thanks for the reminder, that's probably the issue.

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willcooke:

stuarta, I think that on Astra 28 only the Now&Next is transmitted over proper EIT. My guess is that the EPG proper is done over OpenTV. Some GPL source for decoding of, I have found – but it's nonsense to me!

[21:26:10]

markin:

Assuming the VideoRAM is the right fix, what would be the "right thing to do" in the grand open source scheme of things, to get the default VideoRAM settings more correct so things would work more out-of-the-box for future people trying this?

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stuarta:

willcooke: it's either that or $ky epg

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willcooke:

$ky epg is done via OpenTV

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willcooke:

along with their interactive stuff

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stuarta:

hmmm. very surprise they would use something "Open"

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stuarta:

surprising

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willcooke:

Open it is not! Do a search on google for opentv and gpl and you'll see what I mean!

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Rudd-O:

open tv?

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Rudd-O:

sounds like a telly broken in two

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markin:

nemik: My distro is Ubuntu 7.10 64bit;

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markin:

willcooke: No I don't get a picture at all when viewing HD, just the blue bar where the picture should be (and black bars above or below because the picture section is 16:9 on a 4:3 computer monitor)

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stuarta:

willcooke: that's what i thought

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willcooke:

markin, as a guess I'd think that it's a 64bit distro problem. If you can, the 32bit might be more sucessful

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stuarta:

64 bit myth works fine

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Iolaus:

are there supposed to be new settings for video groups and such in trunk? I thought there was a bunch of new stuff from the mythvid merge

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stuarta:

i'm using it & dev'ing on it

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willcooke:

stuarta, I was thinking more about XvMC drivers

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markin:

Maybe. I guess I'd rather file a bug and limp along with 64 bit than re-install to 32 bit.

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willcooke:

markin, I dont think it's a myth bug – I think it's an xv/xvmc intel graphics driver bug

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markin:

but I'll try the VideoRAM setting first, like I said, I think that was the ticket when I had this working before on this hardware.

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markin:

yeah, I'm not saying who's bug, I'm just saying, grand scheme of things, I did all the right setup steps (I kept very careful track) and it didn't work. Long term, there should be a GUI way out of this without touching xorg.conf by hand.

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jduggan:

another question i have – everytime i go to live tv i have to manually change aspect to 16:9 from 4:3, where can i make this default? all the appearance menus ive made it 16:9

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willcooke:

jduggan, setup -> tv settings -> 2nd screen in -> aspect override

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willcooke:

jduggan, sorry tv settings -> PLAYBACK -> 2nd screen in

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markin:

thanks for your time and suggestions folks.

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nemik:

markin: my intel driver on laptop does not work with xv at all, i use x11 for video. you can change that by putting '-vo x11' in the mplayer command line args

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markin:

yeah I remember using that -vo x11 on an earlier install too (for mplayer) but I'm not sure how that helps me with mythtv.

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markin:

cheers

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GreyFoxx:

Daviey: there was a commit which included a MySQL 5 specific change

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willcooke:

who's baby is the channel icon downloader?

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stuarta:

a few peoples

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dr_fate:

how do I change/set which osd theme mythtv uses

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: Would you purchase your A180 again?

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stuarta:

it's just moved from initial concept to initial implementation

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dr_fate:

I see themes on the wiki, but don't see how to change them

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stuarta:

dr_fate: setting->appearance

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willcooke:

can the automated lookup be made to be not case sensative? It failed on things like then channel name was "BBC ONE" and the icon name was "BBC One"

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stuarta:

probably

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stuarta:

submit a bug report

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willcooke:

will do.

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stuarta:

right, back to my couch

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dr_fate:

stuarta, ben there 5 times, don't see osd change

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dr_fate:

just the whole theme changes

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stuarta:

setup->tv settings->playback osd

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dr_fate:

k

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MaxeyPad:

how do I configure my asoundrc on a mythtv box running ubuntu? I have the right config I just need to set it up. I've got a turtle beach card

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone have a suggestion for a Core 2 Duo mobo? I just bought one but lspci is giving me " nVidia Corporation Unknown device" for every device on there. No audio or video for me. :-/

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dr_fate:

ty

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fadec:

how many days of data is zap2xml good for?

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dr_fate:

loving it!

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dr_fate:

going to go ahead and pay for listings

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defaultro:

hey folks, off topic question. Are there any reimaging tools so I can make an image of my Fedora and put it on the other 5 identical machines?

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willcooke:

defaultro, I dont know of a proper linux tool, but take a look at acronis (sp?) – i think they do a free version

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jamesd_:

my wife loves mythtv and i haven't even got the large screen TV yet.... i just have to get the remote control to work

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davilla:

For the OSX MythFrontEnd fans, for running under 10.5 FrontRow, see http://forum.awkwardtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=6& . . . 2&hilit=

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willcooke:

ooo – you can transmit your channel choices back to mythtv – very very very very cool

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Toxicity999:

yea, but I doubt anyone else in my state uses myth, let alone broadcast area =P

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jamazon:

is there anyone who can offer some UK DVB (Freeview) reception advice?

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willcooke:

jamazon, I'm UK and dvb-t – you can try me

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jamazon:

cheers

[22:32:18]

jamazon:

i just finished building a box with a Nova-T PCI tuner

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jamazon:

all seemed fine. picked up channels all ok. but reception is poor and live tv often crashes the system completely

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willcooke:

jamazon, whats it like on a STB>

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willcooke:

?

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jamazon:

perfect... some audio glithches but all STBs tried report close to 100%

[22:34:17]

jamazon:

all channels perfect reception

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jduggan:

is it all the same cabling

[22:34:55]

jduggan:

or are you splitting off cable to your computer

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jamazon:

yeah i'm installing the box in place of my Â£20 Tesco STB

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jamazon:

:)

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willcooke:

jamazon, what dvb card? nova t 500?

[22:36:30]

jamazon:

no the single tuner nova-t the cx model

[22:37:17]

jamazon:

do you use a 500? i heard bad things about them so steered clear

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willcooke:

jamazon, nope – I stear clear of them as wel!

[22:38:06]

willcooke:

I use the nova-t and it works for me – but I'm in a strong singnal area. Do you have any splitters on the areial feed? they suck.

[22:38:48]

jamazon:

i have a professionally installed rooftop aerial split of to two points, one upstairs one down

[22:39:01]

jamazon:

aerial guy said signal strength was strong enough for this

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willcooke:

jamazon, as a test I'd try bypassing the splitter and see if that helps. That'd be the easiest first step

[22:40:00]

jamazon:

i'm wondering if perhaps most STBs have built in signal boosters

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jamazon:

whereas the nova-t doesnt

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willcooke:

I dont think so

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jamazon:

better fetch a ladder and get up in the attic then!

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willcooke:

jamazon, reception is a bit of a strange mistress. Before I moved here I got better reception by turing by arial to hoirzontal even though the transmission was virtical

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jamazon:

tell me abot it. i have multiple transmitter issues here. it's nuts

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willcooke:

jamazon, which tx do you point at?

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jamazon:

belmont

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jamazon:

but i'm alwyas getting walthams lower frequeny muxes

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Ryushin:

I'm having a problem with my remote. When I'm in a DVD menu, and press either the up or down navigation button, the volume goes up and down as well. This does not happen when I use a keyboard.

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willcooke:

jamazon, according to : http://www.ukfree.tv/txdetail.php?a=TF218836

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willcooke:

you have poor power of some muxs

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Ryushin:

I'm using the Internal DVD player and nothing external.

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willcooke:

jamazon, so see if you can narrow your reception problems down to certain mux's

[22:45:01]

jamazon:

yeah, that's where the waltham tx creeps in and tries to fill the gaps. it all gets very messy

[22:45:37]

willcooke:

jamazon, sounds complicated!

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jamazon:

i think i have. it's mostly the "low rent" mux's that are the most problematic. as you'd expect

[22:46:19]

jamazon:

i hate DVB :(

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willcooke:

jamazon, you can get a fairly cheap wide band antenna from places like homebase (the only place open on a sunday) – perhaps you can set up some kind of diversity antenna group?

[22:47:20]

jamazon:

that sounds beyond me. i'm not very practical like that

[22:47:23]

jamazon:

lol

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willcooke:

jamazon, actually – check if you've got a screwfix trade counter near you – their much cheaper than homebase/b&q

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willcooke:

jamazon, how new is your aerial?

[22:48:25]

jamazon:

couple of weeksa

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willcooke:

oof.

[22:48:38]

willcooke:

in which case that ain't the problem! :)

[22:48:56]

jamazon:

like i say it's fine with even the crappiest STB

[22:49:23]

jamazon:

it's an odd one for sure

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willcooke:

Worth checking that the plug that goes in to the computer has got the sheilding connected properly

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willcooke:

brb – dog needs to go for a pee

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jamazon:

:)

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willcooke:

jamazon, well – it could be any of a million problems. But I'd start with the splitter in the first case. If you can bypass that and the problem goes away, then get yourself a new areial for dedicated nova-t useage. Also – don't use the pass through on the nova-t, it introduces a lot of noise

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jamazon:

yeah. mine doesnt have the passthrough. they phased it out

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jduggan:

got good cable?

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jamazon:

did i mention that myhth reports signal strength to be 17–30% (depending on mux) as opposed to almost 100% with oher reception equipment?

[22:56:06]

jduggan:

get some ct1000 from the antenna

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jduggan:

-0

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jamazon:

yeah, handmade

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jamazon:

good cable

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willcooke:

jamazon, the reception meter for the nova-t is backwards.

[22:57:04]

Yahooadam:

jamzon – i get like 30% signal, and everyone seems to say it

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willcooke:

jamazon, I think it reports snr not strength – so lower = better

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jamazon:

really? ive not seen it mentioned before

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willcooke:

dont quote me on that

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willcooke:

:)

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jamazon:

it would make sense. 17% sinal should not produce a stable picture

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willcooke:

I *know* I've got good reception strength – I live a mile from the tx and mine reports 18% signal

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jamazon:

and for the most part it does

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jamazon:

have you ever had trouble with stream corruption locking up myth?

[22:59:24]

willcooke:

hmm – a little while ago, before I moved here and many revisions ago

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jamazon:

my wife isnt going to like it if the telly keeps crashing lol

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willcooke:

jamazon, if you've got python install on your computer, run tzap "BBC One" (assuming you've got that working as well) and......

[23:01:41]

willcooke:

here....

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willcooke:

http://pastebin.ca/843177

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jamazon:

currently i have to reinstall from scratch. it been so unstable that the boot drive is corrupt

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willcooke:

... is a crappy little python script I knocked up that might help you move your antenna about to improve matters

[23:02:19]

mzb:

jamazon: your SNR is probably too low

[23:02:20]

jamazon:

cool. i'll grab a copy

[23:02:32]

willcooke:

you need to pipe tzap in to it

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jduggan:

where do you configure the sql/myth server for mythfrontend to connect to? this is the first time im setting up a dedicated frontend and its not obvious

[23:03:02]

mzb:

I went the cheap way (instead of buying an aerial): http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=79

[23:03:14]

mzb:

(that's for VHF DVB-T in .tas.au)

[23:03:57]

willcooke:

jduggan, upnp should take care of it in newer versions, but otherswise it's ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[23:04:03]

mzb:

an interesting util to keep in mind is "femon" (part of dvb-utils)

[23:04:20]

mzb:

which you can run in a console while your mythbox is tuned in

[23:04:38]

jamazon:

cheers will, you've given me some stuff to think about

[23:04:42]

mzb:

then you *might* be able to find the problem by fiddling, replacing, turning, etc

[23:05:04]

willcooke:

jamazon, np – yell if you want any more wild goose chases!

[23:05:23]

mzb:

(handy to have someone watching the screen who can do 4-digit Hex division in their head;))

[23:05:33]

willcooke:

mzb, :)

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** willcooke has a plan. **

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willcooke:

like the beep test you get on stb's

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mzb:

btw: you can't take that much notice of the signal strength "number" on some cards

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jamazon:

thats handy to know

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jamazon:

my nova-t's reported sigal strength has been throwing me off the scent i think

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willcooke:

for mythtv-setup you tune to a channel and then the beep gets lower/higher louder/quiter dending on snr & strength

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mzb:

also, as a hint, if you want more realistic results (assuming your driver _does_ give the correct number) on the OSD, you might need to increase some of the various tuning timeouts

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levander:

Has anyone tried accessing their XFS partition using the Crossmeta XFS Windows driver?

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mzb:

(there's one that has a max of 2000ms ... forget it's name ... which is critical for one of my tuners)

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jamazon:

i'm fairly sure mine has been reporting SNR rather than signal strength

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mzb:

hmm ... I doubt it would be that far off ;)

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jamazon:

in any case i'm sure it's way off the mark. my signal isn't top notch but it's visibly better than 17%

[23:10:07]

jamazon:

i can get 22% with a indoor aerial

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mzb:

when it comes down to it ... if you can watch a high bandwidth stream (eg. lot's of movement, high quality ... etc) without any glitches or artefacts then it really doesn't matter what the signal strength is

[23:10:45]

mzb:

ie. it needs to look like you're watching a DVD

[23:11:27]

jamazon:

with a STB it does. with my mythbox it breaks up quite a lot

[23:11:31]

mzb:

I have one tuner that refuses to work on my main aerial ... but I can only get ~30% of it's own "dodgy" aerial

[23:11:47]

jamazon:

dodgy?

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mzb:

(I suspect the auto-gain code for the tuner)

[23:11:57]

mzb:

stub aerial

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mzb:

(magnetic base)

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mzb:

[ not the sort of thing I like to have lying around a computer room! .... magnets are usually banned ;) ]

[23:12:41]

mzb:

(showing my age;)

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jamazon:

magnets are FUN

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willcooke:

:)

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mzb:

heh ... yep ... got a nice collection of rare-earth magnets keeping the fridge together ;)

[23:13:20]

jamesd_:

jamazon, untill you get the ultra strong ones and they pinch your skin between two or more of them.

[23:13:43]

jamazon:

ouch

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mzb:

got to be careful ... you can do a bit of damage ;)

[23:14:13]

jamesd_:

yeap

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mzb:

even to the point where you need assistance to remove them ;)

[23:15:16]

jamesd_:

if i was the cable company i would be scared of digital tv, i think i have put off ordering cable for at least 6 months or more now that i have a digital tv tuner... perfect picture and more tv channels... and more to come...

[23:15:46]

jamesd_:

for less than what a month of cable costs.

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jamazon:

yep

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willcooke:

jamazon, see: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_PCI re: signal strength reading

[23:16:27]

jamazon:

and as soon as they turn off the analogue channels here in the UK it'll be channels galore!

[23:16:50]

willcooke:

shit channels, though ;)

[23:17:04]

willcooke:

more effing shopping channels

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jamazon:

true

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jamesd_:

willcooke, not here... we have 8 public television channels, most of the networks have 2 digital...

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jamazon:

but there's bound to be a proportion worth watching

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jamesd_:

only 2 shopping channels here.

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willcooke:

jamazon, I hope so, but I hear $ky have got their eye on a lot of the new bandwidth in order to start more pay tv

[23:18:32]

jamazon:

ffs

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willcooke:

jamesd_, count yourself lucky. Give it a year and it'll be 24hour shopping channels as far as the eye can see

[23:18:53]

jamazon:

someone needs to stop then

[23:18:58]

willcooke:

:)

[23:19:17]

jamazon:

why cnat i type tdoya?

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willcooke:

jamazon, the only people who can are ofcom and/or the beeb. and I think the beeb are stretched a bit thin these days

[23:19:55]

jamazon:

iPlayer is looking promising though

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jamesd_:

willcooke, i think the internet will stop them.... people will stop shopping on tv if they can just use the internet. ebay, amazon, newegg.com, buy.com and a couple others who needs more and monitor a couple deal sites... you have it made.

[23:20:21]

KaZeR:

i had to move my recordings to a new backend, what's the clean way to update the settings?

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KaZeR:

(192.168.1.3 -> 192.168.1.6)

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willcooke:

jamesd_, In the UK most of the people who buy crap off these channels don't have internet :( It's a kinda class thing over here

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jamazon:

chavshoppingTV

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willcooke:

KaZeR, you'll need to update the database to point to the new location. I'm not 100% familiar with the process but poking around in the mythconverg dbase should be suffient

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willcooke:

jamazon, :)

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KaZeR:

willcooke, thanks. what should i update? settings?

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KaZeR:

where to tell that the recordings are on the new backend?

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willcooke:

KaZeR, is it master backend?

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jamesd_:

willcooke, well in the next 2–3 years everyone will have internet... even my 80 year old father-in-law who was a mechanic (not a geek) has internet and email now.

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KaZeR:

yes, i have only one backend

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jamazon:

some people should NEVER have the interwebs

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justinh:

using the internet? wouldn't that involve them getting out of their armchair? :P

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willcooke:

KaZeR, ok – so what happened? You rebuilt your backend and copied your recordings across?

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KaZeR:

yes

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willcooke:

justinh, Just long enough to call Claims Direct because they fell over the rug

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justinh:

lol

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willcooke:

KaZeR, could you just change the IP address of your BE?

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willcooke:

KaZeR, also, did you re-import your database then

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KaZeR:

well, i have other services depending upon this ip.. i'd like to avoid changing it

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willcooke:

KaZeR, ok – so did you re-import your database, or are you starting again from scratch

[23:28:10]

KaZeR:

i backuped and reinstalled the whole db

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willcooke:

cool – that should make things easier

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KaZeR:

i hope so :)

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willcooke:

just looking at the database now...

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willcooke:

have you changed the hostname?

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KaZeR:

first thing is that currently my backend tries to connect to the old master backend

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KaZeR:

yes, hostnames changed too

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KaZeR:

in fact, the new master backend was a former slave backend

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iamlindoro:

sounds like a reality show

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willcooke:

KaZeR, how comfortable are you poking around in sql databases

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KaZeR:

quite at ease

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KaZeR:

just need to find the right settings to change

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willcooke:

cool – I /think/ you need to look in the "settings" table

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willcooke:

things like BackendServerIP and MasterserverIP, change those and the hostname, then in the "recorded" table change the hostname for the programmes

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KaZeR:

can i "delete from settings where hostname='newbackend'; update settings set hostname='newbackend' where hostname='oldbackend';" ?

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willcooke:

that might work! you've got a backup if not! :p

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KaZeR:

i have a backup yes :)

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willcooke:

KaZeR, wait...

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KaZeR:

sure

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willcooke:

KaZeR, you might delete stuff from the recorded table that way

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KaZeR:

delete from recorded?

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KaZeR:

i still have the shows on the new backend

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KaZeR:

and i'd like to avoid loosing them :)

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willcooke:

hmmm. yeah.

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jduggan:

omg

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jduggan:

hah

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jduggan:

im gettin hit with the same thing as that mark dude

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willcooke:

well – in "settings" table – you only have a couple of things; BackendServerIP & MasterServerIP

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willcooke:

that need changing, then you could delete from settings where hostname = <oldhostname>

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jduggan:

X Error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) 11

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jduggan:

:(

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jduggan:

my new frontend with onboard intel

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jduggan:

wont play tv

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willcooke:

KaZeR, then you should just be able to update recorded and change the hostname over.

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willcooke:

KaZeR, I've never done this, and you sound more proficent at sql than me – so don't take my word for it!

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nemik:

can mythstream default storage be changed?

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willcooke:

KaZeR, you've also got storage groups to look at (they fill in the pathname before the "basename"

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KaZeR:

ah yes thanks

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jduggan:

anybody using intel965 chipset on a frontend?

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benben:

er...

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benben:

i'd have to look

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benben:

agpgart: Detected an Intel 965G Chipset

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jduggan:

agpgart: Detected an Intel 965Q Chipset.

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jduggan:

im gettin problems playin tv

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benben:

yeah?

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jduggan:

X Error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) 11

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jduggan:

any ideas about this

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nemik:

jduggan: it's problem with intel and compiz together, can't run xv. either turn off compiz effects or add '-vo x11' to mplayer args

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benben:

strange, i haven't come across this

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nemik:

my laptop has same problem with its intel 965 chipset

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nemik:

note though that using x11 in mplayer makes it use CPU for rendering video, not the graphics hardware. so on full-screen resolution you better have a nice CPU

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jduggan:

nemik: a)i dont run compiz, b) mplayer is fine, its the livetv player

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