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Wednesday, January 2nd, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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tjcarter:

That's what I just did

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tjcarter:

did you have a precompiled Qt laying around?

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dans91:

tjcarter: interesting. Did you update to 10.5.1?

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tjcarter:

yes.

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dans91:

tjcarter: no Qt on here.

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tjcarter:

There's a Qt.

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tjcarter:

It's part of the osx-packager build process.

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tjcarter:

(and why it takes so long)

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dans91:

tjcarter: yes. but I mean, I didn't have a precompiled one anywere

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tjcarter:

I don't know how you got it to work then, because from what I can see it clearly cannot work.

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tjcarter:

using osx-packager I just downloaded from svn after you said you'd started working on it.

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tjcarter:

ls

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** tjcarter needs focus follows brain **

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squish102:

is there a difference between libfaac and libfaac0 (iamlindoro's script complaining about libfaac but i have libfaac0)

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directhex:

Qt is great! all the cool kids use Qt!

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directhex:

i kid, i kid. /me ports myth to gtk# in c#

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squish102:

and im on ubuntu

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Dave321:

cool kids use gentoo

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tjcarter:

acce957c96cf59a78f5192f6d3c27947 osx-packager.pl

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directhex:

Dave123, unrolled any loops lately?

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telee:

whats the best way to rip a dvd?

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directhex:

telee, i like avidemux

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|Torg|:

legally, none

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Dave321:

directhex, of course

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telee:

you cant rip dvd's you own?

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|Torg|:

legally, no

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directhex:

you can't break DRm legally, no

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tjcarter:

that's even more interesting actually

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directhex:

except in, i think, finland

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tjcarter:

the script SHOULD use 3.3.8

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directhex:

or iceland. somewhere css was declared to be worthless

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|Torg|:

directhex: I thoguht that was sweeden, ala PB

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telee:

is avidemux a ripper?

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directhex:

it's a transcoding gui

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dans91:

tjcarter: i was just about to mention that :)

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directhex:

i use vobcopy to get vob files to work with, and do the work with avidemux

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telee:

does that mean i can take a dvd and put it on my computer?

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telee:

directhex, oh ok that makes more sense... so basically you take all the vobs and make them into one

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|Torg|:

if your computer has a licensed player, or that dvd has pc content, yes

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telee:

oh

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directhex:

telee, it's a 2-part process – you need to gain access to decrypted versions of data on a disc, and you need to turn those files into a useful video format. i use 2 apps – vobcopy to copy decrypted vob files to disk, then avidemux to clean up the files, rescale, deinterlace, and reencode using a better codec

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|Torg|:

if its dsitributed by Sony, DO NOT LET IT NEAR YOUR PC

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telee:

|Torg|, why?

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dserban_:

what's the most/well recognized ir blaster? I have to control a cable box via ir due to my cable company being idiotic and disabling the serial port on the box.

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|Torg|:

becae it will install a trojan, called a rootkit, hide its existance and infect it

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directhex:

|Torg|, you assume he runs windows

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directhex:

|Torg|, and that was music, not dvd

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|Torg|:

no I assume Sony are assholes and dont trust anything they make near my network, pcs or home

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telee:

directhex, so do you convert the files to something smaller... and how long does vobcopy take to copy a dvd

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|Torg|:

hence by strong support for bluray :P

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directhex:

telee, vobcopy is fairly quick

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telee:

ok sweet

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squish102:

doesnt k9copy alco copy dvd's?

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directhex:

transcoding properly is not

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|Torg|:

Sony isnt sorry they put in rootkist, there sorry they got cought

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directhex:

squish102, maybe. i have very very strict requirements when ripping

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telee:

directhex, so when you vobcopy do you specify the file size? if i want it in highest quality what do i put?

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telee:

squish102, k9 freezes when i use it

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directhex:

|Torg|, sony is a gargantuan company. much like microsoft, one department is capable of being less evil than another

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directhex:

telee, vobcopy just copies the vob files, and decrypts. no recompression or anything

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tjcarter:

dans91: maybe I didn't properly sanitize my build directory somehow, it's definitely downloading 3.3.8

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telee:

ok so basically i just type vobcopy

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telee:

and it rips

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|Torg|:

directhex: its simply a matter of trust, and I do not trust them. screw me one, shame on you., screw me twice, same on me

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telee:

vobcopy without any options will copy the title with the most chapters

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telee:

into files of 2GB size into the current working directory.

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telee:

do i need to specify -M so it is not compresed?

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tjcarter:

or maybe MythFrontend just hates me =D

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|Torg|:

hate is such a strong word

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directhex:

telee, vob files, due to a filesystem limitation, are a maximum of 2gib when stored on a dvd

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directhex:

telee, and 2gib is a limit on many filesystems. typically, you have a number of sequentially numbered files

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telee:

oh

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telee:

oh i see

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tjcarter:

actually, they cut off at 1

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directhex:

tjcarter, yeah, true

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tjcarter:

that's the standard anyway

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tjcarter:

iso9660 can't handle > 2

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telee:

ok so i put in Mr. Brooks in the drive and it wont moutn... is this because its protected or i just need to manually mount it ?

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tjcarter:

udf can, but the DVD standard still cuts them at 1 because the DVD player may not be able to handle > 2.

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tjcarter:

All DVD players are required to read iso9660 and udf.

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directhex:

telee, don't mount. just run vobcopy

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directhex:

tekny__, if it doesn't run, you probably lack libdvdcss2

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directhex:

bah

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|Torg|:

tele its a 32 bit restriction, 2^32–1 is the file sisze limit becasue of that

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tjcarter:

directhex: I love having a Mac in some ways.. I can rip an unencrypted vob right off the disc if it's a region 1 disc without using anything illegal in the United States ;)

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telee:

directhex, i get this error libdvdread: Invalid title IFO (VTS_04_0.IFO).

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telee:

libdvdread: Invalid IFO for title 4 (VTS_04_0.BUP).

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tjcarter:

I still have libdvdcss though, because I also have some region 2 discs ;)

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xand:

you need libdvdcss for any retail DVDs, whatever region

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|Torg|:

tele its "copy protection" on teh dvd

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Aval0n:

torg

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telee:

|Torg|, Ie i wont be able to copy it?

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Aval0n:

I never did have luck with passing 1080i to my damned TV

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|Torg|:

not without patching libdvdread, no

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Aval0n:

nvidia driver never accepts the mode

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jarle_:

I have noticed that lately I get lot of "QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range" in the BE log, any idea what might cause this? (everything seems to work OK as far as I can tell...)

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telee:

|Torg|, where would i start to patch libdvdread

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|Torg|:

Aval0n: look at the log and see why it rejects it

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|Torg|:

telee: google

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telee:

|Torg|, thanks

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telee:

do iwant to patch it or just install the latest version?

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Aval0n:

Torg I did it just says it's too big

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Aval0n:

this is the problem that stumped you when you were looking in my box remember? :P

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Aval0n:

[05:19pm] *** larson999 (

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Aval0n:

woops

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larson999:

does mythtv delete the oldest recordings when it run out of space?

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iamlindoro:

if they are set to auto-expire

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larson999:

iamlindoro, and if not it just does like normal when the file system gets too full?

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iamlindoro:

Yup

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iamlindoro:

by which I assume you mean start doing strainge things and then crash and/or never reboot properly ;)

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iamlindoro:

er strange

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larson999:

iamlindoro, yep.

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xand:

no, it sends off an order for more harddisks ;)

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iamlindoro:

Myth has an option to preserve x # of GB space

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iamlindoro:

so you can always guarantee yourself a margin

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larson999:

boy mythtv sure has come a long way since the last time i looked. i could even install it this time!

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directhex:

telee, any sensible distribution should already provide a patched libdvdread3 which will use any libdvdcss2 you happen to have on your system

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telee:

directhex, so in my snaptic i do have libdvdread3... uh is that sufficient?

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telee:

so i should be alright... correct?

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directhex:

telee, do you have libdvdcss2 installed?

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jarle_:

larson999: in trunk you also get the option to have watched recordings expire before recordings you still haven't watched... (this is not available in stable version yet)

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telee:

directhex, no

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directhex:

telee, as root, run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh

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telee:

i did not see it in synaptic

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larson999:

this is so great i might get a 2nd tuner and hook up the whole house!

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directhex:

telee, note, if you're in yankland, the fbi will come and shoot you with a taser until you die for running the above command

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tkoepp:

i just did a fresh install of mythbuntu on top of ubuntu 7.10, this system is going to only be recording on the composite source so no guides or other info is nessisary, the input sources are configured (assumed properly) and when we go to live tv we can see out composite source but when we record it does not show up under recorded programs and have already set the group filter to view all programs

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larson999:

jarle_, that's nice. i think i'll wait until it's stable though. i'm a bit new to mythtv to start living on the edge

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telee:

directhex, ? lol for some reason i think they have better things to do than busting someone copying a dvd that i own

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tjcarter:

one of these centuries I might have to revive my project.

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telee:

and not all americans are Yanks lol... just the people from the southern USA

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directhex:

telee, really? sure about that? give the DMCA a read

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telee:

so what does that command do?

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directhex:

telee, can you guess?

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telee:

lol

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tjcarter:

my little project was basically a more barebones knoppmyth that you could be less nervous about upgrading.

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larson999:

i wonder why not let you decide to delete a recording when you're going through looking for recording to watch? why make you have to go back out and then go to the delete menu

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directhex:

larson999, tried pressing d?

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larson999:

directhex, i just have a remote. is there a key on the remote that maps to d?

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larson999:

or can i map a key on my remote to d?

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larson999:

got a lot of rtfm'ing to do.

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** iamlindoro nods his head wildly **

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telee:

directhex, so basically if the cd is protected i cannot copy it

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telee:

and just not worry about it?

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iamlindoro:

telee: If you have a windows box, look at Slysoft AnyDVD... it will allow you to copy *anything*

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telee:

nope no windows

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telee:

how about mac?

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iamlindoro:

Handbrake has done a pretty good job for me on mac

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iamlindoro:

And Mactheripper is good if that fails

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directhex:

telee, almost all retail DVDs are encrypted. you either need to use a decrypting library like libdvdcss2, or give up

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directhex:

telee, did you install css?

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telee:

no you told me not to lol if i wanted to die =[

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tkoepp:

does anyone have any idea about the no recordings showing up for live tv that i posted earlyer any help would be appretiated, thanx

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telee:

and i need debhelper and fakeroot installed.

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directhex:

telee, so install them

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iamlindoro:

telee: Any of the methods I mentioned are just implementations of the same deCSS

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iamlindoro:

might as well install libdvdcss2

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telee:

why doesnt slyfox thing get shut down?

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iamlindoro:

Slysoft... because a) they're not a US company and b) it's legal to decrypt DVDs in many many counties

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dans91:

poor Americans :)

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jarle_:

somehow I have got epg data until year 2037, could anybody please remind me how I remove unwanted epg-data?

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iamlindoro:

Hell, it's even legal to pirate software in some countries (I'm lookin at *you*, antigua)

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directhex:

iamlindoro, only $21m of software per year

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justinh:

and c) the MPAA doesn't _yet_ have the reach to take action in other countries

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iamlindoro:

directhex: Yeah, I know, but sounded funnier without the qualification ;)

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dans91:

every time my russian friends make me feel bad about australia copyright law, I only have to look at America to feel all warm and fuzzy again. :)

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tjcarter:

dans91: you can make them feel bad about Russian politics.

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tjcarter:

dans91: where they have two boxes.. One is labeled Putin. The other is a paper shredder. ;)

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directhex:

tjcarter, just because he'll shootinate you if he dislikes you...

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iamlindoro:

Ah, but this year the first box is labeled "Putin's bitch."

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dans91:

tjcarter: yes. whereas we have the choice between three or four absolute morons. wonderful :)

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tjcarter:

iamlindoro: yeah well..

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telee:

directhex, i get this error when i run that

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telee:

checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables

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directhex:

telee, install build-essential

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tjcarter:

how the hell does ubuntu install gcc without the necessary things for gcc to compile?

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directhex:

tjcarter, it doesn't

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directhex:

tjcarter, and this is a fairly old question. the usual answer is "which libc do you want to compile against today?"

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tjcarter:

according to telee, obviously it does.

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telee:

yeah i dunno thats the error

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directhex:

tjcarter, he'll have installed "gcc" separately. gcc doesn't depend: on libc6-dev

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tjcarter:

he's on linux, There Can Only Be One libc.. glibc2 ;)

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iamlindoro:

If he's installing on Ubuntu, just enable the medibuntu repositories and apt-get install libdvdcss2

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xand:

"checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" = gcc not installed

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directhex:

tjcarter, it recommends: libc6-dev, so only a retarded package management tool like synaptic will ignore recommends

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tjcarter:

ah

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directhex:

tjcarter, also, i think there are about four libcs in ubuntu

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tjcarter:

four?

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tjcarter:

is ubuntu trying to out-Debian Debian again?

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directhex:

tjcarter, no, they're the debian packages

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dans91:

directhex: 6 at last count :)

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dans91:

including -prof etc

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telee:

directhex, ok so i installed libcss2 thing

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telee:

now i should be able to rip this dvd

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tjcarter:

profiling, debugging, and standard.. Oh, and uclibc for embedded weenies

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iamlindoro:

Assuming it doesn't have other copy protection methods besides CSS

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telee:

lol

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telee:

wow this sucks

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iamlindoro:

telee: It's fairly uncommon

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dans91:

tjcarter: also -amd64 and i686 :)

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telee:

libdvdread: Invalid IFO for title 4 (VTS_04_0.BUP).

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telee:

ui get that error with vobcopy

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directhex:

dans91, that's all glibc. there are other libcs

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directhex:

telee, what does "vobcopy -I" say?

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iamlindoro:

!seen gbee

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MythLogBot:

gbee was last seen 2 days 4 hours 27 minutes 8 seconds ago

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dans91:

directhex: ah I see what you mean...so there are that many other libc replacments now? wow. cool :)

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telee:

name of dvd: MR_BROOKS_US

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telee:

There are 20 titles on this DVD.

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telee:

There are 77 chapters on the dvd.

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tjcarter:

libc-without-gnu-crap-and-with-useful-stuff-gnu-people-refuse-to-add

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telee:

and some other stuff with title

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iamlindoro:

Ooooh, internal will parse an .EVO!

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tjcarter:

strl functions anyone?

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iamlindoro:

interesting!

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telee:

DVD-name: MR_BROOKS_US

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telee:

disk free: 277863 MB

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telee:

vobs size: 0 MB

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tjcarter:

evo?

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iamlindoro:

HD-DVD container file

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tjcarter:

ah

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directhex:

telee, looks like an invalid dvd to me

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telee:

lol

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iamlindoro:

won't necessarily play the codecs within (in fact, it mostly won't) but the video/container play fine

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directhex:

telee, look at the titles list. one title has 77 chapters. what's the second most chaptery on the list?

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tjcarter:

er shouldn't the codecs within be just avc video and the like?

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iamlindoro:

video codecs are fine

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telee:

33

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iamlindoro:

audio codecs are mostly without an OSS decoder

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directhex:

telee, which title?

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iamlindoro:

E-AC3, MLP, TrueHD... all playable by patching mplayer, however

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telee:

title 1

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tjcarter:

e-ac3?

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iamlindoro:

yup

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directhex:

telee, try "vobcopy -n 1"

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tjcarter:

hmm

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tjcarter:

never heard of e-ac3

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tjcarter:

the others I've heard of

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telee:

libdvdread: Invalid title IFO (VTS_04_0.IFO).

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telee:

libdvdread: Invalid IFO for title 4 (VTS_04_0.BUP).

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telee:

[Error] Can't open the title 4 info file.

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iamlindoro:

Well those are the audio formats used by the main audio tracks of HD-DVD and Blu-ray

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directhex:

telee, hm, looks like you can't work around the invalid dvd structure with vobcopy then

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telee:

ok

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directhex:

and everything uses libdvdread, so if libdvdread is choking, you've got no chance

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telee:

maybe ill just install windows

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telee:

and do that

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telee:

lol

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telee:

really all i want is an entertainment system, but i dont record any video

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telee:

once i get rich i ll just buy tivo or something lol

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directhex:

isn't copy protection fun

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directhex:

no promises anything in windows will be happier with it

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telee:

yeah

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telee:

fucking american govt

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telee:

yeah, but it will be a little more user friendlyf or me

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telee:

since im a linux newbie

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jarle_:

telee: entertainment system without TV: http://elisa.fluendo.com/

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iamlindoro:

Myth is a hobby... I think it's best if you love tinkering with it

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directhex:

bedtime!

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telee:

iamlindoro, so what all do you do?

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telee:

directhex, thanks for help i appreciate it

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iamlindoro:

telee: do regarding what?

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iamlindoro:

telee: difficult discs?

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telee:

so why do you have myth installed

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telee:

to copy tv shows, play movies

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telee:

basically all i want to do is put all my dvd's on my HD and play them from my computer

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iamlindoro:

Ah. Well, all of the above, really

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iamlindoro:

I have hundreds of DVDs.. and now dozens of HD-DVDs ad Blu-ray discs

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iamlindoro:

and multiple TVs, etc.

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** xand has never even seen an HD-DVD or Bluray disc :o **

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iamlindoro:

Myth is the only thing out there that allows me to use all my media, on all my TVs, at any time

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iamlindoro:

Now granted, some formats need more massaging and tinkering than others... but for me that's half the fun

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|Torg|:

myth is the only dvr that I know that I dont pay a monthly fee for

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telee:

so you can play a movie on multiple tv's?

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iamlindoro:

telee: Yes

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telee:

wow wireless or wired?

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xand:

mythtv fucking rocks.

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iamlindoro:

Both, depending on which TV

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telee:

iamlindoro, so i assume your dvd's are on you HD right... if so are they compressed and converted and into what?

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iamlindoro:

plus, can play all my movies, all my TV, etc, from any non-tv-attached computer on my network

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telee:

iamlindoro, wow maybe ill stick it out... is there anything like this for windows?

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|Torg|:

and I can schedule it to record via my cellphone

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telee:

damn

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xand:

telee: you could watch the programs on windows using vlc or similar if you share them via samba... maybe there's something better

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iamlindoro:

telee: previously, they were all ripped then converted to xvid and x264... now they're all .VOBs and similar types of files... disc images

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telee:

ok and rarely you will come across some protected movies you cant copy or what?

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iamlindoro:

and there is nothing that matches myth feature for feature on windows... some decent media center software, but nothing with Myth's flexibility

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jasonlr:

you can usually always remove write protection

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dans91:

I recently got mine working so all my tv shows get transcoded to podcasts which download to my ipod touch over wireless when I'm at home :)

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iamlindoro:

telee: If I had a *really* tough case, I VNC to the windows box on the corner and rip it with AnyDVD

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iamlindoro:

er in the corner

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|Torg|:

if copyright protection can be made it can be broken

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telee:

oh ok

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telee:

so what do you guys suggest i do about this movie i am having problems with?

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dans91:

but its definitely a hobby. It doesn't usually all "just work" :)

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telee:

yeah it can get frustrating

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|Torg|:

it would probbly "just work" if I quit screwing with it :P

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iamlindoro:

telee: If you have a mac, try it with mactheripper

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telee:

perfect thats what i use

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iamlindoro:

telee: They update it regularly to combat things like this

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kidblu1:

I ripped a move into an .avi and Mythvideo thinks it's days long; therefore, jumping by 3 or 10 minutes doesn't work. What could be wrong?

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dans91:

|Torg|: funny you should say that, sounds just like my girlfriend :p :)

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iamlindoro:

kidblu1: what did you use to rip/convert?

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telee:

umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy

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telee:

why is it busy lol nothing is running it

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kidblu1:

iam: k9copy, and it plays OK in totem

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iamlindoro:

kidblu1: try, with ffmpeg, ffmpeg -i infile -acodec copy -vcodec copy outfile.avi

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kidblu1:

it also plays OK in Myth, except for jumping ahead

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iamlindoro:

That will pull out the streams and rewrite the container

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iamlindoro:

YMMV on that command line, though, may need some tweaking, but that's the idea

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jblack:

Hello

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kidblu1:

iam: thanks

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iamlindoro:

kidblu1: no problem

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kidblu1:

iam: weird thing is that another video with the same settings works fine

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jblack:

I'm trying to set up mythphone to work with my local asterisk server, on a machine that already has ekiga running on it. I've set common sense settings, but I'm getting SIP: Cannot transmit SIP message to 192.168.2.2

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iamlindoro:

kidblu1: meh, strange things happen sometimes, especially when dealing with mpeg-2 sources... I have seen wild stuff when transcoding

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iamlindoro:

holy cow, so *that's* the guy who uses mythphone

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jblack:

which follows Failed to bind for SIP connection 192.168.2.97

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jblack:

Not yet, I'm not.

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jblack:

I'd rather not use it at all, to be honest

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jasonlr:

i like the xlite client

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jblack:

but it seems myth on some of my frontends is grabbing video and audio rather.. forcefully, thus hiding incoming calls

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tjcarter:

Someone awake happen to have commit access?

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tjcarter:

I have a one-line diff to osx-packager.pl ;)

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** jblack decides to try a different port **

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dans91:

tjcarter: people have been chatting on #mythtv

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Toxicity999:

What is it that happened recently about channel icon simplification? I know I read something about it on changes, but can't find it.

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dans91:

tjcarter: ah, the cp error? :)

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telee:

iamlindoro, so for a home entertainment system you recommend me sticking it out w/ myth right

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tjcarter:

dans91: no, compiling of flac conflicts with fink unless I disable the xmms plugin

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telee:

and should i copy dvd's as .iso or vob?

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dans91:

tjcarter: oh, nice.

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jblack:

heh. As it turns out, 5061 isn't a very good alternative port to 5060. 5080 works.

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tjcarter:

should not be randomly trying to install stuff in /sw

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iamlindoro:

telee: It's sooo individual... mythtv is a tinkerers sport... what distro have you be trying on?

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telee:

just ubuntu

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telee:

i installed mythbuntu

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telee:

so thats what i am running right now

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dans91:

thats a good start. one of the easier ways to get it running.

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iamlindoro:

OK, that's what I would suggest if you are going to stick it out

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tjcarter:

iamlindoro: see, that's why my project was so interesting to me.. I don't want to tinker with my media system, I just want to use it.

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telee:

tjcarter, what project

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telee:

ok so atleast im on the right track

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tjcarter:

no non-commercial DVR can just be plugged in and used.

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dans91:

tjcarter: if you keep talking about it, you're gonna end up with no choice but to fire it up again ;)

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iamlindoro:

tjcarter: Well certainly it's possible to get to that point... we all have people in our lives who have to be able to use it... but I wouldn't have much fun if I didn't have some project or another planned for it

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telee:

so basically, on windows i could rip all my dvd's using slyfox and hook it up to my tv and play it right?

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telee:

myth tv just has a bunch of extra features that i probally will never use... is myth still good for my use?

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jasonlr:

why do you want too take the time to rip all of your dvds

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|Torg|:

with mythtv I do not have hardawre I paid for that should be able to do a certain task (like play mpeg2) but does not for some reason or another

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jblack:

Heh. Now I know why he said "that's the guy that uses mythphone?"

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tjcarter:

telee: the concept was... take KnoppMyth, strip it down to just a DVR, and trade some hardware flexibility for the ability to just boot a disc and have it make the system work in the next 30 minutes ;)

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telee:

jasonlr, just bakc up

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iamlindoro:

Slysoft... and it's just ripping software, not media center software

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|Torg|:

if I wanted my myth box to make coffe in the morning I could put ina x25 system that powers the coffee pot

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|Torg|:

anything you can hack hardware wise and integrate even the simplist control over an be done in myth

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dans91:

|Torg|: you don't have yours making your coffee yet?!? How do you get up in the morning? :)

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iamlindoro:

telee: The point is you can do *anything* with myth... but if you are averse to some tinkering and some real work in setting it up, then I would look at other alternatives

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tkoepp:

i just did a fresh install of mythbuntu on top of ubuntu 7.10, this system is going to only be recording on the composite source so no guides or other info is nessisary, the input sources are configured (assumed properly) and when we go to live tv we can see out composite source but when we record it does not show up under recorded programs and have already set the group filter to view all programs

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tjcarter:

telee: major features were to be a god way to remotely configure a backend (X11 forwarding sucks) and having literally two copies of the system software installed (idea stolen from TiVo) so you can always just reboot into the old system if the upgrade doesn't work right.

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telee:

iamlindoro, ok so basically to set up a home entertainment system to play dvd's i should not have TOO much tinkering right?

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telee:

lets be honest... vista sucks

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telee:

and i dont want to install it again

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dans91:

telee: I hear ya :)

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telee:

but vista is very convienient

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|Torg|:

Vista ROCKS......err is a rock

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jasonlr:

vista will probably be ok by the time SP2 rolls around

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jasonlr:

till then it has alot of bugs

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jasonlr:

but you can downgrad for free if you are a buisness or ultimate owner

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dans91:

tjcarter: how far did you get with it

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iamlindoro:

telee: if all you want is to play DVDs, Myth may not be the best choice... But something like elisa might be, or mediaportal... certainly myth *can* do it, but your desire to commit time to it might not make it the right choice

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jarle_:

tkoepp: try have a look at /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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tjcarter:

telee: in exchange for that easy setup, the major hacky goodness you get from Myth but most people don't bother with (phone integration?!) just aren't there, and you probably will only be able to use a handfull of remotes.

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telee:

ok

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telee:

so i guess ill just have to mess with it a littl eand see how it goes

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iamlindoro:

yup

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tjcarter:

dans91: I got to the point where I could dual-boot two KnoppMyth's on one system, which is no minor feat since KnoppMyth does not LIKE that setup at all, and I worked out some stuff I never applied to a KM image for handling partition creation

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telee:

how long should it take to set up just the player to the tv

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tjcarter:

fairly automated partitioning is possible because you know exactly how much HD space your system software needs in advance.

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|Torg|:

when my myth box does or does not do something I like I can patch it dow google what someone already did. If I need to patch it I can go look up each and every bug that was aginst it. If I care to I can go look at the source code to determien why it exibits certain behaviour, try THAT with Windows

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iamlindoro:

telee: It's completely dependant on hardware, skill level, etc... many people with experience could have that set up in under an hour, if that

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** tjcarter was using two 1GB partitions, but wanted to use two 512MB partitions. **

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tkoepp:

jarle_ what should we be looking for

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telee:

iamlindoro, ok that makes sense

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dans91:

tjcarter: i have a distro which does something similar, but it uses a compressed disk image on a loopback for the system software. Upgrading becomes trivial – download the new image and install, hey presto. upgrade failed? revert to older image file.

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iamlindoro:

telee: With well-supported hardware (in linux!) and mythbuntu, the same should be within your reach within a few hours... but there are bound to be issues that you just have to be commited to learning a bit to overcome

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jarle_:

tkoepp: any errors in the log when recording (is supposed to) start...

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tjcarter:

dans91: I would have released my little project if I had gotten as far as making the system partition read-only.

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|Torg|:

most real issues are from vendors who make windows only drivers, or who use propriatary chips

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dans91:

iamlindoro: telee on the other hand my last mythbuntu installation went so smoothly i didnt have to reconfigure a single thing.

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|Torg|:

you can circumvent most hardware issues by simply searching for what others have to say about it

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telee:

nice

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dans91:

so "YMMV" is very appropriate :)

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tjcarter:

dans91: my goal was 512 MB System1 (ro), 512MB System2 (ro), 4 GB /var (rw), and the entire rest of any hard drives we find get added to LVM as /myth ;)

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|Torg|:

tjcarter: you tivod your myth boxes?

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dans91:

tjcarter: don't make me start thinking about this. I don't have time to get involved in another project hehe :)

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tjcarter:

I was working on that process.

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tjcarter:

TiVo's upgrade strategy is brilliant.

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tkoepp:

jarle_: im looking at the moment but just a little more info ... the .mpg shows up in /var/lib/mythtvrecordings just not in watch recordings

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tjcarter:

Next to the grouplens-style suggestions, it's their best feature.

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telee:

wow i guess maybe i should install windows

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telee:

although i always like the challenge to get somethign to work... just iwth linux seems like i never can reach my goal

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iamlindoro:

tkoepp: Did you look at your filters?

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|Torg|:

thats why you install vmware

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iamlindoro:

tkoepp: Sorry if that's already been covered

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tkoepp:

jarle_: yes i've set to all recordings

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tkoepp:

jarle_: all programs rather

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tjcarter:

dans91: I never got around to stripping out all of the oddball desktop stuff KM installs or stripping X down to its bare bones. Nor did I even want to think about how to handle bootloader issues.

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tjcarter:

It could be done with clever use of lilo, but a modded bootloader would be so much more able.

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tkoepp:

jarle_: and the recordings show up when u go to manage recordings and then to delete recordings

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datagen24:

first time myth user, new install on Fedora Core 7, dedicated machine. both mythtvsetup and mythtvfront end do not show any buttons nor does the mouse work correctly, any ideas on how to correct this?

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jarle_:

tkoepp: then it seems like a filter problem to me...

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iamlindoro:

datagen, try starting either with -O Theme=Blue

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iamlindoro:

or Theme=GANT (May be G.A.N.T.)

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J-e-f-f-A:

datagen24: Also, myth hides the mouse by default — it's designed for use with a remote (or keyboard).

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iamlindoro:

datagen24: the mouse by default will be invisible

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Kalijawan:

what setup method did you use datagen24?

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tkoepp:

jarle_: can you help me with making sure there set up right

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jarle_:

tkoepp: When you select "All Programs" you do not see any recordings at all?

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datagen24:

Ahh

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justinh:

iamlindoro: miss the last dot off

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datagen24:

Installed with yum, per wiki artical

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justinh:

iamlindoro: for trunk ;)

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iamlindoro__:

justinh: gotcha, thanks

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Kalijawan:

are you use atrpms?

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tkoepp:

jarle_: none it says Sorry, no recordings avaliable

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datagen24:

yes

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Kalijawan:

you went yum install mythtv-suite ?

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datagen24:

yes

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jarle_:

tkoepp: If you have mythweb installed you could also check the video listings there...

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Kalijawan:

are you running at a resolution greater than 320x200? :)

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tjcarter:

hmm, I just finished compiling a new frontend (my backend is perhaps a little dated) and got a warning about database schemas being updated

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datagen24:

iamlindoro: no effect on the command line args.

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tjcarter:

would I not want to do that until I compile new backends too?

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datagen24:

the main monitor is 1280:1024

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datagen24:

the dvi to the tv is same

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xand:

is mythtv gonna get upset if I create a new table in its database?

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jarle_:

tjcarter: backend and frontend need to share the same database schema...

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tjcarter:

jarle_: so if frontend wants to upgrade, the answer is exit until I compile a new backend =D

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jarle_:

tjcarter: yes

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Kalijawan:

okay, so you said your mythtvsetup and mythfrontend loads up but you cannot see the menu text right?

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Anduin:

xand: No

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datagen24:

correct

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xand:

Anduin: and it won't delete it?

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tkoepp:

jarle_: i dont currently have mythweb installed but now i have noticed that after its recorded and the file shows up in the mythtvrecordigns it all of sudden will disappear and is eraced

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Anduin:

xand: It will not

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xand:

thinking it's not needed...

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xand:

good, thanks

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rhpot1991:

anyone here run a frontend on an xbox?

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Anduin:

xand: Yeah, don't worry, I have several non-standard tables that have been there for years.

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jarle_:

tkoepp: if it is livetv it is automatically expired...

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Kalijawan:

have you done any yum upgrades since you had the atrpms repo installed?

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datagen24:

no

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jarle_:

tkoepp: How do you record a show? Do you just watch it or do you schedule it to record?

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tkoepp:

jarle_: but when the file is still in mythtvrecrodings folder it still doesnt show up in myth, does that include when you just go to watch tv and and click r to record and then r to stop, those recordings also auto expire?

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Kalijawan:

okay :) and make sure you never do that, because i think atrpms will mess up your system if you do that (my FC6 system was messed and thats assumed the problem)

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datagen24:

the only update i did was following the wiki article

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Kalijawan:

if you just want to get the thing to work, you could build it from SVN, as the mythtv-suite rpm will have configured most of the stuff for you already.

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datagen24:

i have not loaded any devel tools on this machine, trying to keep it light, but i could go that route

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jarle_:

tkoepp: not sure...

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tkoepp:

jarle_: this myth is not going to be used for schedule recordings, it will only record off of a composite input and is there will not be any channels or sheduling because its at random times

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datagen24:

would i run into any problems doing that, with out first removing all the rpm packages

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J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: Well, keep in mind that if Myth doesn't have schedules, it sets up 1/2 hour schedules, at :00 to :30, then :30 to :00 ...

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J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: So if you start your input, hit 'R' to record, it will stop at :00 or :30 ...

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Kalijawan:

ahhh, i think you should be fine if you just yum remove mythfrontend mythbackend mythtvsetup and install the svn stuff

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kidblu1:

iam: I fixed that avi problem by running mythcommflaf --rebuild --video <videoname>

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linuxbomb:

I don't like schedules direct and I think it is a bad idea is there a alternative

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kidblu1:

mythcommflag rather

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GreyFoxx:

linuxbomb: Any particular reason you don't like SD?

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J-e-f-f-A:

linuxbomb: Sure, write your own xml parser...

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mrdigital-deskto:

how do i install mythtv on kubuntu 7.10

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GreyFoxx:

as for alternatives there are a couple free scrapers out there. no idea if/howwell they work

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datagen24:

K i will try that, see if it works

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datagen24:

thanks for your help

[01:37:03]

GreyFoxx:

in the end they are webscreen scrapers and subject to breaking anytime the site changes it's layout

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Kalijawan:

np

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** J-e-f-f-A SD rocks. $1.60/month isn't much! **

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tjcarter:

Agreed

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linuxbomb:

GreyFoxx, because I'm worried that the open sourceness is going away due to a project member of mythtv starting SD and getting money for it........dont flame me for saying that

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tkoepp:

J-e-f-f-a: were not trying to have it schedule wer just want to beable to click Watch tv then click r, then r when we were done recording and beable to watch that file

[01:38:07]

GreyFoxx:

linuxbomb: uhhh no

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GreyFoxx:

It's run by members of several projects, not just myth

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tkoepp:

J-e-f-f-a: but none of the recordings are showing up in myth but are showing up in mythtvrecordings folder

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GreyFoxx:

none make any money off it

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GreyFoxx:

It's a non profit and noone is making money from it

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J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: They'll only show up in the recording screen if you press "R" to record it when you're watching "Live TV".

[01:39:38]

linuxbomb:

GreyFoxx, I've heard that before, but how can I be sure

[01:39:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: And then, as "Unknown", and I think the date/time...

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tjcarter:

linuxbomb: the money all goes into a fund used to pay for the service with the leftover to serve as a hedge to ensure that operating costs are covered longer than subscribers are.

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Kalijawan:

if they get registered as a NPO then you can claim your SD subscription on your taxes right? ;)

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GreyFoxx:

linuxbomb: How can you be sure what? They you wont get hit by a bus tomorrow? You can't

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tjcarter:

they keep lowering the price to =D

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tkoepp:

J-e-f-f-a: what did you mean by the last message

[01:40:26]

tjcarter:

too even

[01:40:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: Myth isn't designed to be a 'video transfer' type utility, ie for copying your vhs tapes to mpeg – it's designed to be a Personal Video Recorder using a recorded schedule..

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GreyFoxx:

but it is a registered non profit so it's financials will be public, and those who run it are from several projects

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GreyFoxx:

and the SD council is even more people

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linuxbomb:

GreyFoxx, so if a free alternative comes up in the near future they probably wont want to right a grabber for that service because they have sd

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J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: They won't show up in Myth as recordings unless Myth has recorded them, and to schedule an 'ad hoc' recording, you watch "Live TV", then press "R" to start recording.

[01:41:33]

tjcarter:

tkoepp: sounds like maybe you really want mencoder, not mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

linuxbomb: There is nothing stopping someone from submitting their own grabber

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GreyFoxx:

Robert of XMLTV (also a founder of SD) has said they he will accept alternate grabbers as long as they do not violate the T&C of a site.

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blackest:

I don't need it the EPG is good enough with digital tv

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J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: If you just want to 'import' recordings from a Composite Video or S-Video source, you'd be better off doing something like tjcarter suggests, mencoder, or if you've got a hardware encoding card, piping /dev/video0 to a file for the duration of your recording...

[01:42:39]

GreyFoxx:

So if a company gives it away for free, and somsone writes a good grabber it can go in

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linuxbomb:

someone should make one for ctpvr.com

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GreyFoxx:

the ctpvr people should :)

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blackest:

Schedules direct isn't worldwide is it GreyFoxx

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: that's where the scrapers come in isn't it?

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GreyFoxx:

in fact at one point the ctpvr guy said he was writing one

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tjcarter:

they just don't work very well if the site changes..

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GreyFoxx:

never saw him say anything about it again

[01:43:52]

GreyFoxx:

blackest: Not, North America only

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tkoepp:

J-e-f-f-a: well lets just say your watching live tv in myth and you didnt have it scheduled and you want to record that show you can just press r to record on the fly correct?

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Anduin:

He also offered to pay someone to write it.

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Toxicity999:

Jeez trunk is crashy today.

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Toxicity999:

Can't access video manager >< suckfest.

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Anduin:

Toxicity999: where?

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J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: Yes. And it will record all the way back to the start time of that program, or when you switched to that channel, whichever is available.

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GreyFoxx:

He's got a windows xmltv based grabber already. I don't see why he or someone else couldn';t get that going going under linux too

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tjcarter:

ctpvr so looks like it wants to be MythTV ;)

[01:45:33]

iamlindoro:

http://ctpvr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1849#1849

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J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: So if you were watching LiveTV, then a new program comes on, and you've watched it for 5 minutes, then decide "I want to record this", when you hit "R", it will record that from the start of that program. But...

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iamlindoro:

Says there is an XMLTV version of their listings...

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J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: if you change to that channel 5 minutes into it, there's no way for it to go back in time...

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GreyFoxx:

ctpvr unfortunately doesn;t have any OTA listings and no Canadian

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tjcarter:

J-e-f-f-A: it would record the whole thing wouldn't it?

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GreyFoxx:

and as far as I know, I could be wrong, but no linux grabber yet

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Toxicity999:

yea anyone else crashing on video manager in trunk?

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tjcarter:

it's not like a TiVo with a 30 minute buffer..

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GreyFoxx:

I'm sure with some effort they could get their windows one running under linux though

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Kalijawan:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

Ugh, nobody ever changes their minds around here anyway... People are just stingy

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tjcarter:

Myth always records what you're watching live AFAIK

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Anduin:

Toxicity999: No

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J-e-f-f-A:

tjcarter: It would, if the tuner was on that channel when the program started.

[01:46:53]

tjcarter:

it just may not keep it very long after the program's over with

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Toxicity999:

Weird, might be my compile of it

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tjcarter:

right

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tkoepp:

J-e-f-f-a: ok thats good and what i'm going for , i the problem is that once i hit r to record the show is recorded until I hit r to stop it but never shows up underrecorderd programs

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linuxbomb:

I can run myth without the listings but I can't change channels and that sucks

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Anduin:

Toxicity999: which theme?

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Kalijawan:

hehe, TiVo, for $299 you can get 80 hours of recording time....wow!....or with my Myth you have 32 days of recording time at a much higher quality, hehehe

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tjcarter:

tkoepp: if you're watching, Myth is recording. It just is happy to delete when it needs room.

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J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: Well, if you hit "R" to stop it, it actually cancels the recording. That's why it doesn't show up.

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GreyFoxx:

linuxbomb: you would have to setup channels, even if they have no guide data

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Toxicity999:

I don't think it's a theme issue, it's completely crashing and burning.

[01:48:03]

Toxicity999:

Was there a major theme change or something?

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GreyFoxx:

assuming you have channels defined it should be able to change channels

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tjcarter:

Kalijawan: how much HD space have you got? O_O

[01:48:16]

Kalijawan:

500GB + 320GB

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Anduin:

Toxicity999: ish, yes, and the theme could make a difference

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J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: Also, when you hit "R", it will techincally start the recording either a) from when you started to watch that 'channel', or b) starting at :00 or :30, ifyou have no listings...

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linuxbomb:

GreyFoxx, I did but mythfilldatabase doesn't run

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Toxicity999:

Looking in to it.

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tkoepp:

j-e-f-f-a: so whats the best way to stop the recording when we want

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GreyFoxx:

linuxbomb: if you don't have a source of listings, you don't need to run mythfilldatabase

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tjcarter:

Kalijawan: that's not 32 days ;)

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Anduin:

Toxicity999: any of the standard MythTV themes should work (MythCenter, blue, etc)

[01:49:23]

Kalijawan:

well its my data server too :p

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Toxicity999:

Nope.

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GreyFoxx:

well it should be run periodically to trim some stuff, but it's not needed for general usage

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Toxicity999:

all crash.

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Kalijawan:

how many days would you call that? :p

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J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: If you want to start & stop it like a VCR, you're probably better off using a command-line utility to do your recordings. And if you want to use myth to play them back, just import them as videos. What's your tuner card?

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GreyFoxx:

wow, mencoder is much faster on this box than on my old one

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tjcarter:

Kalijawan: at 2GB/hour, that's only 27.5 days ;)

[01:50:33]

Kalijawan:

i'm not getting 2GB an hour

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** Toxicity999 updates and recompiles mythplugins **

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Kalijawan:

i'm getting like 0.6–0.7GB her 30 minutes

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GreyFoxx:

of course, caus eI'm not resizing the images before encoding

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tjcarter:

and you probably spent more than $299 on your mythbox =(

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Kalijawan:

hahaha

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linuxbomb:

GreyFoxx, have you tried to run mythtv without guide data?

[01:51:20]

Kalijawan:

but a tivo isn't an asterisk server and file server too :p

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GreyFoxx:

linuxbomb: several times

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tjcarter:

My project wouldn't be an Asterisk server either =p

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tkoepp:

jeffa: i have a pvr-150 card but for me this would be fine and dandy but this need to be able to be used by people that are not computer savy, so thats why i chose myth

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linuxbomb:

GreyFoxx, did you have to run mysql < someinitialdata.sql or something like that

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Kalijawan:

i spent about......... about $600...so i spent twice that :)

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GreyFoxx:

linuxbomb: no

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GreyFoxx:

well I had to configure it

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GreyFoxx:

of course

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GreyFoxx:

but I didn't import any program listings manually

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J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: So you could just do something like this outside of myth: cat /dev/video0 >your_filename_here.mpg

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J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: (that starts the recording), then press Ctrl-C to stop it...

[01:54:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: You can set resolution,etc with some ivtvctrl commands... [looking for a link]

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GreyFoxx:

Anduin: Nice catch!

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GreyFoxx:

I still haven't had it segfault on me. but it could just be dumb luck

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Toxicity999:

Damn, what the hell, still crashing, after a recompile with default themes.

[01:55:44]

Toxicity999:

It says this, then a generic error drop "MythThemedMenuPrivate: Unknown tag image in background"

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tkoepp:

jeffe: this isnt really what im looking for, is there a way if you click R to record a way to stop it and show up in recordins, or is there a better way to do this (vcr style recording) with in myth

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Kalijawan:

850 hour duel tuner tivo is only $750CND :) mines still cheaper, and better, hehe

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, I had never seen it until I updated today (and the last time I did so wasn't so long ago), I had something like 90% fail to start for backend and 100 for frontend (didn't try too many times).

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J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: Check out this section on Jarod Wilson's site — it tells how to setup the PVR-150 (which you don't need) and how to setup different inputs/resolutions to capture from the command line... http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#capture

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J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: That type of functionality doesn't exist at this time.

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Anduin:

Toxicity999: Yeah, that isn't the crash, if you load it in gdb and get a bt I can help.

[01:58:13]

Toxicity999:

Yea, trying to track it down otherwise first.

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Toxicity999:

Guess I will, *sigh* I was supposed to be lazy tonight!

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Anduin:

When my MythVideo is broken and I'm feeling lazy I use xine

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J-e-f-f-A:

tkoepp: The only alternative is to setup a 'manual' recording, ie: Start at 5:00pm, end at 6:15pm. Then you start your source playing at 5:00pm, and let it run until 6:15...

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Kalijawan:

hehe, thats what mythvideo does anyways :P

[02:00:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kalijawan: Not svn... it uses the internal player by default now...

[02:00:20]

Kalijawan:

does anyone use HTPC cases with myth?

[02:00:39]

Kalijawan:

you mean mplayer?

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justinh:

gah! how come if I call GetMythMainWindow()->JumpTo("Reload Theme") from slotResetSettings() it works but not when I call it from slotSaveSettings() ? I'm going crazy now

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Kalijawan:

if mplayer doesn't want to play the shit, it passes it over to xine

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kalijawan: Nope... it uses the internal player now. The internal player even does DVDs now, with menus!

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telee:

what type of remote do you guys suggest... and does it run of bluetooth or what? Cheaper the better =]

[02:01:28]

Kalijawan:

cool

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Kalijawan:

you said you're not using SVN?

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GreyFoxx:

telee: The MCE remote is pretty solid and works well

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kalijawan: I'm using SVN.

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Anduin:

justinh: If it is any consolation my recent time in GIMP had me crying.

[02:01:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

telee: I like the MCE remote too...

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GreyFoxx:

causes havoc with myt xbox360 but I just blocked the IR port

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Kalijawan:

ahh, i'm using the SVN too :)

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telee:

thanks

[02:02:23]

Kalijawan:

yeah, mplayer is not install :|

[02:02:25]

Kalijawan:

hehe

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justinh:

Anduin: I have a feeling that the Esc action is the problem

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Kalijawan:

can i get the internal player to play ogm do you know of?

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justinh:

going to try getting rid of that for a while & keep the saveSettings() call in the MENU menu

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tjcarter:

/usr/include/mythtv/dialogbox.h: In function 'void runBurnDVD()':

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tjcarter:

/usr/include/mythtv/dialogbox.h:29: error: 'virtual DialogBox::~DialogBox()' is protected

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kalijawan: Sorry, I don't know...

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tjcarter:

doh

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telee:

is this what your talking about ? http://search.ebay.com/mce-remote_W0QQcrlpZ97 . . . rZ8QQxpufuZx

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Kalijawan:

ahh, i converted a lot of my media to ogm, because it seemed with that container i could fast forward a hell of a lot faster, and i made me feel so pro linux, hehe

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kalijawan: If it doesn't play them, you can setup any other player to play them... Just like the old days...

[02:04:08]

Kalijawan:

that internal player is so anti-linux, hehe

[02:04:37]

GreyFoxx:

huh?

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ferrari:

what is QTE stand for? Why do I need Qt-E in MythTV?

[02:05:33]

GreyFoxx:

QTE is QT Embedded isn't it ?

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Kalijawan:

QT == graphics

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Anduin:

and more

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GreyFoxx:

and a lot more

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Kalijawan:

you want your myth to have an non text based interface right? ;)

[02:06:16]

GreyFoxx:

we use it for Qstring handling, file/database access and other stuff

[02:06:43]

ferrari:

Yes, of course. Non-text based Interface

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tjcarter:

Basically, they are writing MythTV in Qt, not C++ ;)

[02:07:14]

Kalijawan:

:)

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ferrari:

I tried to look up at the Internet but couldn't find exactly what it means

[02:07:32]

ferrari:

any links that you can refer or recommend

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tjcarter:

I do wish mythtv-setup had a curses interface or so

[02:08:05]

Kalijawan:

just install QT4 and you should probably be fine

[02:08:16]

GreyFoxx:

myth will not compile against QT4

[02:08:30]

Kalijawan:

QT5?

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GreyFoxx:

QT3 only for the moment

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ferrari:

I think I am lost

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tjcarter:

Qt5?

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Kalijawan:

i'll tell you what i have installed for QT

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ferrari:

So, without any of the QT, I won't be able to play mythTV

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GreyFoxx:

ferrari: yes

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GreyFoxx:

myth is not usable with out QT of some sort. Be it QT3 or QT Embedded

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Kalijawan:

i have qt qt-devel

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GreyFoxx:

never tried compiling against QT embedded personally

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Toxicity999:

I was looking in to it, more trouble than it's worth for most user systems.

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ferrari:

OK. Thanks, GreyFoxx.

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ferrari:

Is Linux Windows like interface written in Qt?

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GreyFoxx:

ummm

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GreyFoxx:

You mean X Windows ?

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ferrari:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

It isn't QT based no

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Kalijawan:

hahaha

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jarle_:

ferrari: KDE uses QT, Gnome uses GTK

[02:13:26]

ferrari:

need to find out exactly what QT means because my boss will ask me the same question -> Why do we need QT in mythTV and what is it?

[02:13:30]

justinh:

Anduin: seems that calling the theme reload in a routine called when esc has been pressed is a no-no.

[02:13:54]

Kalijawan:

don't you have like GTK and QT, and GTK is for gnome and QT is for KDE?

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|Torg|:

QT is a C++ GUI toolkit, for making windows.

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ferrari:

I see. KED is written in qT but haven't got the chance to play with KDE interface

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GreyFoxx:

ferrari: QT is a toolset/library which provides gui widgets, input controls for mice, keyboards and such, and routines for file+database access

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GreyFoxx:

myth uses that toolset extensively

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justinh:

it's a bit late to be trying to convince anybody not to use QT in favour of something else

[02:14:46]

ferrari:

OK. Now, I am clear. ;) thanks

[02:15:07]

ferrari:

I am looking actually at this website http://trolltech.com/products/qt/qt3/embedded/

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rushfan:

ferrari: well, I think mythtv uses Qt4

[02:15:35]

rushfan:

I would hope so anyhowe

[02:15:45]

ferrari:

OK.

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|Torg|:

used qt3

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rushfan:

QT3 is about to become 100% outdated with the release of KDE4

[02:15:54]

justinh:

gawd, writing this plugin has frazzled my brain

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|Torg|:

it uses qt3 in fact it has major problems compliling against qt4 and if you have KDE4 you must have qt3-dev as well to compile myth

[02:16:47]

justinh:

so simple a concept yet such a PITA. still though. 3 days isn't bad for someone who's never really coded

[02:16:47]

rushfan:

Well thats just silly

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iamlindoro:

ferrari: What does your bosses opinion have to do with mythtv? Are you using Myth at your work? In what way?

[02:16:57]

rushfan:

They should port it to QT4 already

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ferrari:

my boss wants to build an embedded mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

rushfan: There is a effort to do so, but only 1 or 2 people working on it

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rushfan:

|Torg|: gentoo pulls all the deps in for me so I never payed much attention what mythtv demanded I have

[02:17:32]

ferrari:

and have us to investigate if it is possible

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rushfan:

GreyFoxx: Id help if I knew C++

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rushfan:

I only know PyQT

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Kalijawan:

if i wanted to throw together a quick gui would pyQT be the best?

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justinh:

rushfan: I only know er... erm... hmm... squat but it's never stopped me :)

[02:18:22]

rushfan:

Kalijawan: if you want the program to be in Python...

[02:18:32]

Kalijawan:

i love py :)

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rushfan:

IF you just want to throw together non-functioning GUI just use Qt Designer

[02:18:47]

rushfan:

Kalijawan: well, although I hate GTK, the PyGtk docs really are much better than PyQt ones

[02:19:04]

Kalijawan:

i love py, because in R&D all you do is google and copy and paste like one line of code, and tada! hehe

[02:19:11]

rushfan:

So if you're looking to learn it all as quick as possible, Id go w/ that

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** justinh wonders how long this thing would've taken if mythtv used python for gui stuff. probably about the same amount of time cos I know about the same amount of python as I do c++ & QT **

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rushfan:

I need a program to take a giant folder of music, and organize it all into folders, with the strucutre Arist -> Album -> Songs

[02:19:52]

rushfan:

Anyone know of anything that can do this?

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justinh:

rushfan: you could even do that in perl

[02:20:12]

Kalijawan:

mythmusic does it in the gui :p

[02:20:24]

rushfan:

I think MythTV would be bloody slow if it was written in python

[02:20:24]

Kalijawan:

maybe the data is in mysql

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rushfan:

justinh: do what in perl?

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|Torg|:

MP3::TagLib

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justinh:

rushfan: re-organise a load of stuff like you said

[02:20:54]

rushfan:

I feel pathetic today... Ive been playing Mr. Potatoe head on my computer all day lol

[02:20:57]

rushfan:

justinh: ahh

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rushfan:

Now tyhat I think of it, maybe EasyTag can do it

[02:21:39]

Kalijawan:

that's what i love about R&D you pick a shitty language like visual basic and you develop as fast as possible, and give them a shit bogged down program at the end :)

[02:21:46]

justinh:

I hope to hell people like this thing at the end of the day. all this hurting my brain had better have been worth it or else!

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Anduin:

justinh: You should see how the other code does it, if they remove their window first and then try, etc

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justinh:

the destructor is in main.cpp IIRC

[02:23:15]

justinh:

all the action is going on in mythappearance.cpp

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rushfan:

Kalijawan: except VB is beyond a shitty language

[02:25:27]

rushfan:

Its a childs toy

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justinh:

Anduin: heh. you mean, rather than admit defeat & bow out the easy way... ;)

[02:27:59]

rushfan:

I love badass guitars

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Kalijawan:

VB is good in some situation

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rushfan:

Kalijawan: like?

[02:31:42]

rushfan:

Making shitty database apps?

[02:31:45]

rushfan:

Thats about it

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Kalijawan:

the last job i had, i worked for some physicist, so i tried to write some screw code for them :)

[02:31:49]

rushfan:

I did VB when I was 12

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rushfan:

screw code?

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Kalijawan:

oh started VB3 when i was 13, you beat me! :(

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jasonlr:

vb is horrible

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rushfan:

My dad owns a fastener factory and I can assure you they never use VB. hehe

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rushfan:

Kalijawan: actually, I was 11

[02:32:24]

rushfan:

Cause I was in 6th grade

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rushfan:

What version did you start with?

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** tjcarter drools on glass-wide **

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Kalijawan:

i started with VB3 i said

[02:34:08]

Kalijawan:

for 3.1

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justinh:

to pot with that for now. need to do some more cleanup

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tjcarter:

dans91: oh lovely, when trying to quit current trunk frontend on my Mac, it beachballs.

[02:35:01]

** tjcarter mercilessly assassinates. **

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tjcarter:

<--- MythMurderer

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ferrari:

man, there are so many componenst that I have to include in embedded linux

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Anduin:

justinh: They get to cheat as that other call is in the menu callback (so there is no window on the stack when that JumpTo executes)

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justinh:

that's a bit out of my scope at the mo

[02:38:43]

justinh:

being brutally honest

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Smilin:

I'm trying to set up a RAID 1 array for the MythTV data, using a Promise FastTrak 10 TX2 RAID controller, I'm reading that that controller isn't full RAID (the docs use the term "FakeRAID") – Should I spend the time trying to make the controller work or should I just do software RAID in the linux kernel?

[02:40:20]

|Torg|:

the driver you load for it will be also what does the raid calcualtions

[02:40:33]

|Torg|:

if you want to use teh card, then use the card as a raid controller

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|Torg|:

if you want to use the kernel module then dont use the card

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|Torg|:

but essentaily raid1 is not cpu intensive, just buffer intensive, so it shouldnt matter either way

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telee:

so how do i know if i want primarily front or backend?

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|Torg|:

you need both

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telee:

currently i am not recording anything

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telee:

ok but in settings i need to suggest which one is primary

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|Torg|:

backends have cards and storage, frontends play the video. It can be on the same system

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telee:

ok

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Smilin:

Does the Xbox (first gen) work well as a frontend?

[02:43:42]

justinh:

Smilin: kind of, but slow. very little usable ram, see

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justinh:

Anduin: tell you what though, if I respected real mythtv developers before – people who write proper code – I can't say how much they've gone up in my estimation

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dans91:

tjcarter: I've encountered that with the product we develop at work, which is also Qt based.

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justinh:

just to show how lame I am.. I don't know what went wrong here: http://pastebin.com/m6b5611aa – but I expected that the 2nd bit of code would do the same as the first. do everything in the braces & it'd be fine. Nope

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Anduin:

justinh: Many of them cheat and are/were paid to write code before, so rather than being good at their hobby they donate only time.

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justinh:

Anduin: even so. not that my efforts are worthless of course, just admiring the other coders more now

[02:57:31]

justinh:

does you good to see things from the other side of the fence :)

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|Torg|:

justinh: what is the differnce in the code other then the fact it is if (<conditioanl>) { } else {}

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justinh:

took me a little while to spot the difference betwee them 2 blocks of code in that pastebin I just put up

[03:01:33]

justinh:

one is doing the opposite of the other to m_change

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** justinh smacks his forehead **

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|Torg|:

yes but only becase you change the value of your test in the first one where you do not in the second

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|Torg|:

still tho it is better that you use teh brakets if for nothing else then proper syntax

[03:03:08]

Anduin:

indenting is still crap :)

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justinh:

and this? http://pastebin.com/m12987df6

[03:04:27]

justinh:

I read the coding standards bit & I dunno where I'm going wrong

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justinh:

haven't got a hope in hell til I get the indenting right

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Anduin:

justinh: no space for line 8 but otherwise the indenting in that is correct

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|Torg|:

indenting is of humans to read it, the parser dosnt care

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justinh:

|Torg|: yeah I know, but the more my code has going for it the better

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justinh:

Anduin: cool

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justinh:

just done a select all then tools -> clean up indentation in kate

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|Torg|:

use vi

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justinh:

over my dead body

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Anduin:

Yeah, vi sucks, use vim :)

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|Torg|:

learn to use vi, it it standard unix

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|Torg|:

it requires no gui, no X, noting

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justinh:

I used to use vi every day

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|Torg|:

it is very small, and yes if you must have extras use vim

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|Torg|:

vim is what is aliased as vi on most linux systems anyway

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justinh:

my elm preferences specified vi as the editor back in the day

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justinh:

had no choice but to learn it. became very good at using it. would rather not go back

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|Torg|:

for most tasks yo ucan open code in vi, edit changes, and save it before other editors even start up

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|Torg|:

if you loose funtionality of a system you had better know how to use vi

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justinh:

it's funny, although I was forced to use vi in the past, I don't see why anybody should be forced to use it now ;)

[03:11:36]

justinh:

I can get by in vi

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|Torg|:

its standard unix

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|Torg|:

it IS the standard

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justinh:

can't remember how to do all the fancy regex stuff though, but I can open a file, make changes & save them

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Anduin:

justinh: You shouldn't be, of course.

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|Torg|:

:g/search/s//reaplce/g

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justinh:

I used to do all the 'find the nth occurence of foo, replace with bar.. '. wickedly powerful

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The-1:

can anyone help me install mythtv on kanotix

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The-1:

? please

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justinh:

and of course instead of using mythtv, one can simply use a vcr & adopt the age-old tradition of scrambling to find a free tape before the show starts :P hmmmm which should I choose?

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rushfan:

The-1: good luck installing something on a live disc

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iamlindoro:

The-1: Nobody here is going to walk you through an entire install... especially when the FIRST link on google for "mythtv kanotix" is a Howto

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: hehe

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rushfan:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . V_on_Kanotix

[03:16:22]

iamlindoro:

Especially since many/most of us were in here earlier when you asked about installing software to break the law

[03:16:24]

rushfan:

there, now he doesnt even have to google

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iamlindoro:

rushfan: ;)

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: what was he asking about?

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justinh:

sometimes I wish there was only one or 2 distros

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rushfan:

Pirated software you mean?

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iamlindoro:

rushfan: The forbidden "ng"

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The-1:

thanks

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rushfan:

justinh: sure as long as gentoo was one of tehm?

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rushfan:

them.*

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justinh:

I'm not in the mood for starting a flame war, so I'll refrain from comment

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|Torg|:

your chocice of distribution includes such things as native laguage support, primary use, and what platform you run it on

[03:18:14]

|Torg|:

none is really any better then any one in particualr, all are according to taste

[03:18:35]

telee:

gentoo?

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telee:

thats pretty good if you know what your doing

[03:18:52]

justinh:

they all have their little quirks & advantages of some sort over one another, but there are just too many now IMHO. Why? something to do with spreading development effort rather than concentrating it on common goals

[03:19:11]

telee:

how is freebsd?

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telee:

is there as much support on that over linux?

[03:19:25]

telee:

ugh bsd based i mean

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justinh:

hah

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|Torg|:

justinh: I tend to agree with more then one, what baiscly gets me is the basic unix things some distros forgo like where the rc scripts go, where system settings are and how services are started

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rushfan:

mmm... duster feels so good when you spray it all over yourself

[03:19:52]

justinh:

last I heard about it, getting mythtv worky on freebsd is a lot of fun

[03:20:03]

rushfan:

screw inhaling it. just give you armpit a good spraying... ahh

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|Torg|:

other then that its simply a kernel, complied to a certain spec with software runniing on it

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The-1:

20.2 is the latest mythtv?

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justinh:

Latest stable release: 0.20.2

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telee:

take the can and turn it over and then spray

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telee:

horay freeze things

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rushfan:

The-1: yay great idea

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rushfan:

hmm lets see how cold the can will get

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justinh:

Anduin: I've uploaded a tarball of the latest plugin to http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/mythappearance/

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justinh:

some of it's missing – I haven't yet got around to doing the default-wide theme dir & fixing up the build config to suit

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justinh:

but since (ideally) it won't be staying as a plugin that's not a priority right now

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rushfan:

ahhhh

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rushfan:

sio coold

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kusznir:

Hi all: Is there currently any way to get HD content into myth in the US other than over-the-air channels? (IE, Discovery channel HD, etc)?

[03:25:43]

rushfan:

I think I have frostbite :(

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rushfan:

kusznir: QAM

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|Torg|:

ATSC or QAM

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rushfan:

But those are the same channels really

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rushfan:

kusznir: other than that get an HD box and IR Blaster

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justinh:

kusznir: some lucky cable customers with firewire out on their boxes get everything they pay for over firewire

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justinh:

they're not in the majority though

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kusznir:

Oh, cool. Last I heard, QAM HD content was encrypted unless its a broadcast station. Is that true?

[03:27:46]

kusznir:

And is there a way I can tell if my local cable company makes content available unencrypted?

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cesman:

kusznir: that is largely dependent on the cable company

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rushfan:

Time Warners a bunch of lying crooks

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rushfan:

They tell people they must have Digital TV to get HDTV. Bullshit

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|Torg|:

as a gernal statment yes, what you are askgin in on digital cable what is not enctypted

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rushfan:

I have regular cable and I still get QAM

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|Torg|:

since th FCC forbids encrytion of bcast staitosn they dont (mostly ) encypt it

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mzb:

justinh: do you have a single XFS partition on your 500GB?

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justinh:

rushfan: it's kinda true since there's no analogue HDTV

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justinh:

mzb: yeah

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mzb:

k, thx

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|Torg|:

the only Analog HDTV that existed was in Japan, it no longer is in use

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kusznir:

Ahh..So the question to ask is if I can get HD content without a cable box?

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justinh:

HDMAC.. ahhh

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|Torg|:

but you do not need an digital tv to watch it, in fact component is analog and works great

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|Torg|:

kusznir: to to antennaweb.org and see

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cesman:

kusznir: odds are, the cable isn't going to give you a straight answer

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Anduin:

justinh: course will not let me move back to zero

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cesman:

kusznir: they want you to get a cable box so they can _charge_ you a monthly rently fee for the box

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Anduin:

coarse even

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kusznir:

rushfan: you mentioned get an HD box and IR Blaster...My understanding was that there was no way to get HD content out of a HD box (cable, sat receiver) into a myth due to bandwidth issues (component out) or HDCP (for HDMI out). Are there ways now?

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justinh:

Anduin: I know, current limitation in the clipping logic. improvement suggestions are welcome

[03:31:14]

Anduin:

justinh: They are ints, just minus and set to 0 if < 0

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justinh:

so simple I missed it! :)

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rushfan:

kusznir: not sure

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Anduin:

justinh: Isn't it nice seeing through the arrow

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rushfan:

I just read about it being done

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rushfan:

Itd be nice the cable comnapnies would just put a coaxial out on the cable box

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|Torg|:

kusznir: ys its called firewire, HDCP however has nothing to do with HDTV and eveything to do with HDMI (or more precisly is enrytion for it)

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|Torg|:

you can also get cablecards in some places

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kusznir:

I do (or can, anyway) get a decent selection of HD OTA stations, but I'm having a hard time convincing my wife we wouldn't need Cable. We haven't made the jump to HD yet, but keep looking into it. It would be hard to validate buying an HDTV, and then only getting the OTA channels in HD and all the others in SD.

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justinh:

|Torg|: HDCP isn't a HDMI only thing . DVI can have it too

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rushfan:

|Torg|: are cable cards PCI?

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cesman:

rushfan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_card

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|Torg|:

sorry justinh I was just looking it up on wikipedia your right, I put HDCP in the same area as DRM and boradcast flags

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|Torg|:

no rushfan they are pcmcia

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kusznir:

True, true. I have seen hdmi input cards (PCIe 1x), but was told I couldn't get any content from a cable/sat box with HDMI out, as they are required to encrypt it. In fact, some people I've spoken to have said that the cable HD channels are required to be encrypted until it hits your TV.

[03:34:29]

telee:

is there any alternative to shockwave/flash player for 64 bit?

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rushfan:

cesman: can you connect a pcmcia card to a laptop?

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|Torg|:

kusznir: NOBODY requires encrytion on ANYTIHNG excpet the govenrment on military channels

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|Torg|:

if anyone tells y the cable comapny was REQUIRED to encrypt it, they were either mislead or are lying to you

[03:35:16]

mrdigital-deskto:

mythtv does hd right?

[03:35:22]

kusznir:

|Torg|: I thought I read that firewire output was only "active" on OTA channels...

[03:35:33]

kusznir:

|Torg| Thanks for the clarification.

[03:35:46]

justinh:

I'm tired. no more coding tonight

[03:36:00]

cesman:

rushfan: if your laptop has a PCMCIA (PC card) slot

[03:36:19]

kusznir:

mrdigital-deskto: Yes, myth does HD. The hard part can be trying to get HD into it, and that's what I'm asking about.

[03:36:23]

rushfan:

cesman: I mean on a desktop

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cesman:

mrdigital-deskto: yes, it does

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|Torg|:

firewire had something called 5c, its encrytion agsint the FCC rules. Cable comapnys recor to it as a copy flag so they can ly about it

[03:36:50]

cesman:

rushfan: there use to be PCMCIA to PCI convertors...

[03:36:56]

rushfan:

maybe there still ar e:|

[03:38:00]

kusznir:

So, in summary, my best ways to get more than OTA HD content are: 1) tuner card with QAM support (possible problems: cable company encrypting channels); 2) cable box with firewire output (but cable company may not enable all channels).

[03:38:15]

kusznir:

Are there any other ways? Any way to get DirecTV/Dish HD feeds?

[03:38:15]

cesman:

rushfan: maybe

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mrdigital-deskto:

cesman: my sat box has HD output via hdmi or component video can i hook that up to mythtv and get hd?

[03:38:17]

|Torg|:

3) tuner card with ATSC

[03:38:39]

kusznir:

|Torg|: isn't ATSC for OTA broadcast only?

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|Torg|:

yes kusznir

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cesman:

mrdigital-deskto: no, you cannot

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kusznir:

So, it still stands that there is no way to get HD content from sat providers, right?

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mrdigital-deskto:

cesman: so way to get hd to mythtc?

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cesman:

there is currently no consumer grade capture card capable of component/DVI/HDMI capture

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mrdigital-deskto:

mythtv?

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|Torg|:

kusznir: legally, no

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cesman:

mrdigital-deskto: 1) OTA 2) QAM 3) Firewire

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** cesman gets HD via OTA **

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mrdigital-deskto:

cesman where u live?

[03:40:53]

cesman:

I live in California

[03:41:04]

mrdigital-deskto:

cool oh i only get 3 OTA channels out here

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kusznir:

There is a consumer grade HDMI capture card: http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/12/blackmagic . . . -express-ca/

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mrdigital-deskto:

i live int he middle of nowhere

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|Torg|:

I live in the middl of nowhre and get over 20 channels in HD over ATSC

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mzb:

we all live in the same neck of the woods then? :)

[03:41:45]

mrdigital-deskto:

nice

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cesman:

kusznir: thanks for the link

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cesman:

unfortunately no Linux....

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iamlindoro__:

kusznir: No linux driver, will not take an HDCP feed (like the one out of your cable box)

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kusznir:

Last time I looked into it, there were no drivers for Linux; it doesn't do HDCP, and may have compatability issues with some consumer HDMI products. (Its geared to camera shoots)

[03:42:21]

justinh:

and unfortunately HDTV in mjpeg will be frickin massive filesizes

[03:42:26]

mzb:

(very little HD here though ... I suspect I live on the edge of nowhere;)

[03:42:45]

|Torg|:

1080I is 7–8G per hour

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justinh:

yeah but that blackmagic card encodes to something mjpeg-ish in hardware

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cesman:

mrdigital-deskto: have you visited antennaweb.org?

[03:43:14]

iamlindoro__:

only when it's compressed, and it wouldn't be coming in on the blackmagic card

[03:43:19]

mrdigital-deskto:

yes

[03:43:23]

mrdigital-deskto:

i need a $900 antenna

[03:43:28]

cesman:

mrdigital-deskto: having the right antenna can make all the difference....

[03:43:34]

cesman:

wha????

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cesman:

how far are you from the broadcast tower

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justinh:

$900 for a few bits of bent metal?!

[03:43:58]

iamlindoro__:

or a $15 metal pole :)

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mzb:

mine cost me $2 (can of black spray paint) ;P

[03:44:30]

mzb:

http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=79

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|Torg|:

OTA HD can be obtained with a wire coat hanger if you have sufficent signal strength

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mrdigital-deskto:

im fukin FAR

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mrdigital-deskto:

the only hd signals close enough to get is

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mrdigital-deskto:

PBS and WFMZ (local news)

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|Torg|:

digital antenna = analog antenna they are no differnt other then digital brodcasts use LESS of the spectrum then analog ones do

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mrdigital-deskto:

the analog signals arent hd right?

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mzb:

no

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justinh:

anyway.. g'night all

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|Torg|:

the analog signals are not HD and are currently brcast right along side of them

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mzb:

gnite justinh

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|Torg|:

at about 10X requiremnt for power as well

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mrdigital-deskto:

so the onyl way for me to get HD Fox/CBS etc is thru my sat provider

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mrdigital-deskto:

Dish NEtwork

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|Torg|:

mrdigital-deskto: is that what antennaweb told you?

[03:47:21]

mrdigital-deskto:

yes

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mrdigital-deskto:

i only get 3 hd channels

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mrdigital-deskto:

no fox/cbs/nbc

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|Torg|:

how many analog ones do you get?

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mrdigital-deskto:

just pbs and something else

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mzb:

more than me ;) (most of them are still in test loop)

[03:48:20]

mrdigital-deskto:

18 analog

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cesman:

mrdigital-deskto: if you have cable, QAM maybe your best bet

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|Torg|:

then in one year you will get 18 digital ones

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mrdigital-deskto:

but ... the 18 analoag have HD channels

[03:48:56]

mrdigital-deskto:

im wayyyyyyy to far to grab em

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|Torg|:

if you can get analog you can get HD

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|Torg|:

how far away are you anyways?

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mrdigital-deskto:

like Fox 29 philadlephia i can get fox philadelphia hd on my dish box

[03:49:19]

mzb:

hmm ... I get the impression that resizing a 400+GB partition (~200GB data) is going to take a while ... hmmph

[03:49:29]

mrdigital-deskto:

44.3 miles from philly

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AndyCap:

http://www.tvtechnology.com/features/Masked-E . . . actoid.shtml

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cesman:

mrdigital-deskto: as far as I'm aware, there is no _legal_ way for you to record HD from a "dish"

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impotence:

has anyone seen any quad channel DVB-T (UK Freeview) PCI cards by any chance?

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nemik:

hi. is there already a lirc config file somewhere for the packard bell remote?

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cesman:

hello nemik, did you check lirc.org?

[03:57:01]

nemik:

cesman: yea but isn't there another file you have to specifically create for mythtv?

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cesman:

nemik: ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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cesman:

that file?

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nemik:

yes

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nemik:

it's not specific to remotes?

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cesman:

yes, it is

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nemik:

that's what i thought. that's why i was asking if there's some specific one for that packard bell remote for mythtv

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iamlindoro__:

It's also specific to the user

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iamlindoro__:

ie, *you* map the keys to functions in the lircrc

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cesman:

nemik: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /033203.html

[04:01:23]

cesman:

nemik: Google is your friend

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iamlindoro__:

Heh, looks like someone wanted to play FPS's with their remote... Up-down-left-right are mapped to WASD in that lircrc

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nemik:

cesman: thanks!

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cesman:

nemik: you're welcome

[04:03:02]

nemik:

haha, yea looks like i'll be making my own

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iamlindoro__:

that lircrc would be painfully broken in myth

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cesman:

nemik: http://www.google.com/search?q=packard+bell+l . . . nt=firefox-a

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iamlindoro__:

nemik, what distro are you using?

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nemik:

iamlindoro__: ubuntu, i hope it's got lirc support compiled in

[04:05:07]

iamlindoro__:

nemik: What version

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nemik:

gutsy 7.10

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iamlindoro__:

nemik: Yes, it does

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iamlindoro__:

apt-get install mythbuntu-lirc-generator

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iamlindoro__:

that will generate your lircrc based on your lircd.conf

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nemik:

lirc is working fine, irw is spitting things

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nemik:

oh nice! thanks

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EnderTheThird:

hmm, my mythplugins .deb won't install now because of theme files already installed from mythtv-svn.

[04:15:27]

EnderTheThird:

should i just force it with -f?

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cesman:

if you know overwriting is a safe option

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EnderTheThird:

hope it is cause i just did it :)

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: you wont want to mix plugin and myth versions

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rushfan:

from my experience anyhow

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EnderTheThird:

they're both from same svn checkout

[04:18:17]

rushfan:

oh

[04:18:20]

rushfan:

ok then

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EnderTheThird:

should be ok, i hope. FE started up alright

[04:22:18]

rushfan:

I dont use any of the plugins anyhow :|

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nemik:

iamlindoro__: thanks so much for that lirc-generator package. it's awesome

[04:22:50]

iamlindoro:

nemik: No problem, seemed the simplest way

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rushfan:

mmm I need some more lunch meats for my sandwich

[04:23:14]

iamlindoro:

Gives you a point to start editing from

[04:24:35]

rushfan:

God damn I wish I was out drinking tonight :(

[04:24:58]

EnderTheThird:

we wish you were too :-P j/k

[04:25:09]

rushfan:

:P

[04:25:18]

rushfan:

Im kind of a problem drinker, but whatever

[04:25:21]

rushfan:

Being drunk in public is awesome

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EnderTheThird:

ha

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rushfan:

"TCP/IP was adopted 25 years and 792 billion porn images ago today"

[04:29:51]

iamlindoro:

Speaking of porno, putting porno covers on your mythVideo porno is much harder than it sounds.

[04:30:07]

iamlindoro:

Erm, I mean, that "Other" section in MythVideo

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rushfan:

seeing as my family uses the backend, I tend not to put my porn videos in the mythvideo folder :P

[04:31:13]

iamlindoro:

That's what parental levels are for

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dans91:

iamlindoro: Lol you have an "Other" folder too, huh? :-D

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GreyFoxx:

hehe assuming no upnp clients. :)

[04:33:14]

iamlindoro:

Oh yeah... Television-Science Fiction, Television-Comedy, Other...

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iamlindoro:

etc

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rushfan:

A Central Florida man is accused of exposing himself and masturbating in front of several young girls while riding his motorcycle on a busy road. --> And they say men dont multitask well

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Captain_Murdoch:

nemik: did you get a lircrc file for your remote?

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Captain_Murdoch:

I use 3 of those packard bell 'fast media' remotes here at home and have my .lircrc file accessible online if you want to take a look at it.

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rushfan:

I like my Microsoft MCE remote :|

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larzen:

How do I change the OSD theme in Myth

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larzen:

I cant seem to find the option

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rushfan:

its somewhere in set-up :|

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rushfan:

try google

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rushfan:

!google change mythtv osd theme

[05:02:04]

rushfan:

Oh, we dont have a fancy google bot here. :(

[05:02:29]

iamlindoro:

TV Playback settings...

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squish102:

iamlindoro, do u know in your script how long it should take from audio bitrate to the next echo?

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iamlindoro:

squish102: Depends on how monumental a file you are dumping into it... with myth recordings, from start to beginning of transcode should be under a minute or two

[05:03:36]

squish102:

ahh, ive been waiting about 6 hours ;/

[05:03:52]

squish102:

i think the one line doesnt work for me

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iamlindoro:

squish102: What are you running it on?

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squish102:

mplayer -vo null -ao null -frames 0 -identify "/storage/recordings/4201_20071222160000.mpg" 2>/dev/null | grep "ID_VIDEO_WIDTH" | sed -e 's/ID_VIDEO_WIDTH=//' < that never returns... i dont think

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iamlindoro:

squish102: Even if it didn't return a usable value, it should return a null and the script should continue... something strange is going on over there

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squish102:

i'll look into it

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squish102:

iamlindoro http://pastebin.com/d111aec09 < that is what i get :(

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larzen:

is there like a repository of mythtv themes?

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larzen:

I got the extra one via my package mgr.. but have not found a nice website with these posted.

[05:17:25]

iamlindoro:

mplayer is doing something strange over there... that line definitely *should* work

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iamlindoro:

larzen, there are lots of themes in SVN, and www.mythtvthemes.co.uk

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iamlindoro:

squish102: Tested same line here on one of my current recordings, outputs as expected... strange...

[05:22:06]

squish102:

very... gonna test on some other recordings

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iamlindoro:

you should get a gigantic list of infor about your file, basically

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larzen:

folks.. question.. whenever I go and select a channel it appears that it begins to record...

[05:28:00]

larzen:

select, as in... "choose" ..

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iamlindoro:

larzen: That's right, myth records everything you watch

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larzen:

i.e. i start myth, go to "watchtv" hit up arrow, up arrow, <enter> then esc, esc.. and I see the show is recorded.

[05:28:46]

larzen:

iamlindoro .. should it not get rid of that stuff?

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larzen:

upon exit?

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Yahooadam:

i think its an option?

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iamlindoro:

larzen: It autoexpires live TV

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Yahooadam:

yeah that one ;)

[05:29:04]

iamlindoro:

in a day or when it needs space

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larzen:

But I dont want to see those shows in my list of recored shows

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iamlindoro:

larzen: On your watch recordings screen, press M and change the filter to "All recordings" instead of "all" so you won't see the live TV

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larzen:

is there any way to turn this off...and only let it record when I press pause or something?

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iamlindoro:

larzen: No

[05:29:53]

iamlindoro:

that's not how mythtv works

[05:30:00]

iamlindoro:

how could you pause livetv if it weren't being recorded?

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Yahooadam:

its allways recording livetv, it cant work any other way

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Yahooadam:

umm, when your watching that is

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larzen:

i see.. ok.

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iamlindoro:

works the exact same way any/every DVR does

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Yahooadam:

mythbackend records to the file, and the frontend plays it back

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iamlindoro:

Just chang the filter and you'll never know it's there

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larzen:

ok

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Yahooadam:

arggggg

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Yahooadam:

i dont suppose you could help me (or direct me to help) ive been trying for like an hour to solve this

[05:33:11]

Yahooadam:

screen starts a session (screen -dmS $screenname) – how do i kill this via a command (like screen -X -S $screenname kill, but somthing that actually works)

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iamlindoro:

screen -ls, will give you the pid, kill the pid #

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Yahooadam:

how do i find that pid though

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iamlindoro:

It's the number next to .pid

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Yahooadam:

if i had 3 screens running, how would i know which to kill

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fryfrog:

resume them?

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Yahooadam:

as this has to be done by a script ...

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fryfrog:

"screen -r <pid>"

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larzen:

btw.. .my program guide.. does this have to be updated manually or via cron job, or does myth update automatically/

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

Yahooadam: *name* your screens instead

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fryfrog:

they don't have to be named after the pid

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Yahooadam:

thats why it uses $screenname

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fryfrog:

so use screen -ls and grep for $screenname?

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Yahooadam:

ok so that gives me the right line, how do i get just the pid out of that?

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iamlindoro:

sed

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vontrapp:

what would cause the tv to have flickering diagonal lines?

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fryfrog:

or awk

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vontrapp:

and it goes on and off

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fryfrog:

sed would change stuff, awk pulls out info

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vontrapp:

sometimes the picture is crystal clear, other times it's wavy as hell

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fryfrog:

well, columns, where anything can be the seperator

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fryfrog:

like "cat file | awk '{ print $1 }' and the default seperator is white space

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vontrapp:

Yahooadam: i would probably use cut

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fryfrog:

you could tell it that . or | or / or what ever is the seperator (see --help)

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fryfrog:

why are you using *screen* anyway?

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vontrapp:

cud -d <delim> -F <fieldnum>

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fryfrog:

why not something like nohup?

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Yahooadam:

because the program is controlled by the command line

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Yahooadam:

but runs on its own most of the time

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Yahooadam:

by using screen, you can connect and control the program, then just disconnect

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fryfrog:

so you want to be able to interact with it?

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

good reason to pick screen! :)

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fryfrog:

i used to use screen to run game servers for that reason

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Yahooadam:

that works fine, but the stop script doesnt actually get rid of the screen session

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Yahooadam:

ok

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Yahooadam:

by using awk '{ print $1 }' i now have pid.screenname

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Yahooadam:

how do i get the bit before the .?

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fryfrog:

use awk, tell it the seperator is a .?

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fryfrog:

-F fs --field-separator=fs

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larzen:

Folks..with respect to the channel guide, do I have to download/update the guide manually or does myth do it for me?

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fryfrog:

kind of a dumb way of doing it :/

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fryfrog:

larzen: it'll update automatically if you've set it up that way

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larzen:

.... the listings i mean..

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fryfrog:

in myt settings somewhere, you can tell it to run "mythfilldatabase"

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vontrapp:

larzen: mythfilldatabase

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fryfrog:

or if you wanted, you could setup your own cron job to do it

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vontrapp:

there's an option to run it automatically

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larzen:

vontrapp – right..

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kusznir:

larzen: mythfilldatabase is the program that actually updates the guide. Most myth setups will take care of that for you.

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larzen:

kusznir – as in, they'll create the cron job?

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fryfrog:

larzen: no, as in it just does it

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vontrapp:

myth schedules it

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larzen:

oh ok

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fryfrog:

larzen: as in, the mythbackend process says "hey, it is 3am... time to run mythfilldatabase!" :)

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vontrapp:

but a cron job could do just the same thing ;)

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vontrapp:

Yahooadam: what are you trying to do with screen?

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vontrapp:

as in why the grep/sed/awk stuff

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larzen:

I have a real challenge in front of me ;) Wife wants this to look similar to Microsoft's thing that she is used to

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fryfrog:

Yahooadam: what if you had your script write a pid file when it starts, then just read that. Can't screen be configured to *exit* when the process it is running finishes?

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fryfrog:

larzen: MCE?

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larzen:

fry – yep that one.

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fryfrog:

larzen: There are some good themes, none of them will look exactly like MCE... but a lot of them are very polished

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fryfrog:

I like the retro osd and hummm

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vontrapp:

fryfrog: yes, two ways, give the command as a parameter to screen

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fryfrog:

i forget the theme :)

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vontrapp:

or follow the param with "exit"

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larzen:

fryfrog – i just saw the one that came in my theme package.

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vontrapp:

command; exit

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fryfrog:

vontrapp: ah, a simple and easy way to do it!

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larzen:

fryfrog – if you can point me to some nic ea nd polished one it would make my life a lot easier!

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fryfrog:

that way, when you kill the pid it'd just exit

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fryfrog:

larzen: just try the ones that come with myththemes

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vontrapp:

maybe one she likes better than the ms one

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fryfrog:

Retro and RestroOSD are the ones I am thinking of

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fryfrog:

but show here a theme or three and ask her which *she* likes

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vontrapp:

anyway, anyone ever experienced the wavy screen?

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Yahooadam:

vontrapp – the script ends the process, but not the screen, and i cant end the screen using screen -X -S screenname kill

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Yahooadam:

like ure supposed to be able to, somthing to do with daemon screens ruins it

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iamlindoro:

Along those same lines, anyone know how to force echo to print a backtick (`) instead of assuming that you are running a command within them? I presume it's a \something

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vontrapp:

nvidia 7300, using composite out

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fryfrog:

when i press the degause button :)

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fryfrog:

Yahooadam: make the command the screen runs be "your command; exit"

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vontrapp:

why do you need to end the screen?

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fryfrog:

like someone said, but i can't find it :)

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** vontrapp wrote a script that goes "screenx screenname command" **

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vontrapp:

if screenname exists already it just attaches

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kusznir:

vontrapp: Is it on the input (i.e., an affected recording is always affected)?

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vontrapp:

else it starts one and runs command

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vontrapp:

it's whatever the computer outputs to the tv

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vontrapp:

all recordings and myth screens

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vontrapp:

i'm looking at upcoming recordings and it's barely readable

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Yahooadam:

whats the escape command in bash (like when you try and put quotes in quotes?

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larzen:

fry – or I can just customize existing right?

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vontrapp:

\"

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Yahooadam:

i thought it was / or \ but that doesnt work

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larzen:

fryfrog I _can_ customize existing themese, can I?

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kusznir:

vontrapp: Ahh...If it were me, I'd try a different video card. Of course, after making sure the cable is firmly connected on both ends and not running near any "strong electromagnetic field sources")

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

su -c "screen -ls | grep ${srnname} | awk -F. '{ print $1 }' | awk '{ print $1 }'" ${user}

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Yahooadam:

it just seems to ignore the awk's

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venger:

anyone know why suddenly during fast forward of records its playing back chunks of sounds every few seconds and causing it to take a long time to fast forward?

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iamlindoro:

sounds like you changed your mpeg decoder from standard to libmpeg2 or vice versa

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vontrapp:

kusznir: well, i tried jiggling the cables around, but it didn't seem to affect it at all

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larzen:

has anyone attempted the vista media center theme on Myth yet?

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vontrapp:

kusznir: you think it might be the video card?

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kusznir:

vontrapp: any high-current electrical cables near it (especially cables that might not be carrying high current when the problem disappears)? If not, i'd try swapping out the video card and see what happens.

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venger:

no manual setup changes for months. i do see now in the frontend log it is spamming "NVP::AddAudioData():p2: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!"

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vontrapp:

i really don't know what cables would be carrying current on and off

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kusznir:

vontrapp: I've had VGA cards fail with similar problems on the VGA output.

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vontrapp:

it's brand new

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vontrapp:

and my only video card :/

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kusznir:

vontrapp: I was generally referring to electrical power cords/extention cords with big power users on one end...Not often found behind entertainment centers, but could cause all sorts of interference...)

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kusznir:

Got another cable and/or TV to try with it?

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vontrapp:

kusznir: right, that's what i can't think of

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vontrapp:

there are power cords, but i don't know what would be intermittent

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vontrapp:

unless it's fans in my computer itself drawing power on and off

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vontrapp:

maybe i'll just pick up a nice shielded cable and see if that helps

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kusznir:

vontrapp: Could the problem possibly be following temperature inside your computer? After its been working hard for a while or anything of that sort?

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vontrapp:

or wrap tinfoil around the cable ?

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larzen:

Any big changes in upcoming 0.21 release?

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vontrapp:

it's to sudden to be directly related to temperature

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kusznir:

vontrapp: I doubt the tin foil would have much of an effect..It has to be tight and electrically grounded on one end, etc.

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vontrapp:

but maybe fans like i said

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larzen:

or is there a doc that I can read... ?

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Yahooadam:

it doesnt need to be that tight

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larzen:

what is everyone running anyway?

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Yahooadam:

and just clip it to your case

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vontrapp:

basically just a faraday cage type deal

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Yahooadam:

should prove if its interfearence or not

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vontrapp:

ah, crystal clear again

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vontrapp:

if i could get gkrellmd working i could see if there's correlation with temperatures and such

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kusznir:

If lm_sensors is set up, just type "sensors" on a shell.

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vontrapp:

hm, no sensors found, but sensors-detect reported an intel core sensor

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venger:

found my fast forward problem. "Table './mythconverg/recordedseek' is marked as crashed and should be repaired" . How can I repair this?

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Yahooadam:

do you have phpmyadmin?

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venger:

no, that must have an admin interface huh. all i have is mythweb

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iamlindoro:

venger: mysqlcheck

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Yahooadam:

theres a script somewhere in mythtv, i just forgot where they saved it

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venger:

something like -> mysqlcheck --auto-repair -A -u mythtv -pmysqlpass ?

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iamlindoro:

venger: mysqlcheck -r -umythtv -ppassword mythconverg

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Yahooadam:

mysqlcheck -uroot -ppassword --auto-repair --all-databases

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Yahooadam:

mythbackend --resched

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mzb:

is anyone aware (or has a fix) re: signal strength on Leadtek Winfast DTV1000-T ? I have two tuners, with the USB tuner hanging off the antenna out port of the Winfast card.

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Yahooadam:

bah too fast for me iam :p

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mzb:

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mzb:

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mzb:

in myth I have the tuning timeouts maxed for the USB tuner to give "real" numbers

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mzb:

but the bottom line with the DTV card is that the numbers are off

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mzb:

"zero strength" is a known bug ... but this is not the case

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Yahooadam:

if [ "25243"="" ]; then echo "meh"; fi

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Yahooadam:

meh

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venger:

iamlindoro that fixed it, it was only that table and the row count was off by one

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iamlindoro:

venger: Good to hear, glad that got it sorted out

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vontrapp:

i can't seem to find the option for getting rid of that little bit of fuzz at the top of the picture

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vontrapp:

some kind of verticle offset thing

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venger:

i had that on live tv till i gave it some vertical overscan

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venger:

under appearence i do believe

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vontrapp:

where do you find that? i've looked in mythtv-setup and in all around the options in the frontend

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venger:

under "Setup" in mythfrontends menus

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rushfan:

this is going to be so fun

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rushfan:

I have work in 5 hours and Im just not going to go to sleep

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rushfan:

Not even 5 hours. 4.5

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venger:

i had adjusted the GUI size to compensate for overscan and have the video playing back within the GUI size so I had to add back overscan as a result

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Yahooadam:

right sorted, thanks all :)

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mzb:

hmm .. ok ... in lieu of that ... can anyone tell me if they know of a (working + current) console app to show signal strength of a dvb tuner?

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mzb:

I've been looking at (or for) dtvsignal and femon but I can't seem to get hold of either

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mzb:

put another way ... is there a nice method of getting signal strength in the OSD?

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rushfan:

mzb: mine just shows up :|

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rushfan:

Well, is it QAM or analog?

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rushfan:

With QAM channels the signal strength is right there

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rushfan:

usually ~80%

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mzb:

yes ... when you select|change channels ... I want it permanently displayed (at the press of a button)

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mzb:

DVB-T

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mzb:

one tuner gives 95%, the other 15%

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mzb:

but I have to change channels to see it

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iamlindoro:

Woo hoo! I just shell/mysql scripted auto-generation of movie lengths in mythvideo. Now all my movies have nice accurate lengths.

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venger:

anyone have any sql statements which show the upcoming schedule? i'd like to script a wrapper around init which will dump the schedule so I know if I'm clear for a reboot on the backend.

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rushfan:

mzb: just hit some fancy thing to bring up the OSD :|

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mzb:

heh

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rushfan:

I have a button on my remote that does it

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mzb:

no, afaik the OSD only displays signal strength when tuning

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mzb:

not that I can check atm ... copying 176GB

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mzb:

s/copying/moving

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rushfan:

ih

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mzb:

eta 2 -> 2.5 hrs (guess)

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rushfan:

oh*

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rushfan:

Im jealous of you European people w/ your DVB-T

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mzb:

changing from ext3 to xfs

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mzb:

=> .tas.au

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iamlindoro:

pfft, forget dvb-t, they've got DVB-*S*

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rushfan:

mzb: I have to change for reiserfs to ext3

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rushfan:

Oh, is DVB-S where its at?

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rushfan:

All I know is America has jack shit :(

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rushfan:

A few crappy local HD channels and the rest are encrypted

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mzb:

it's certainly nice having a card that dumps mpeg2 onto a disk :)

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mzb:

(or stream, etc)

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rushfan:

I have a card that does that :|

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rushfan:

What else would it do?

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iamlindoro:

rushfan: Yeah, but yours does a analog/digital conversion.... theirs is the stream as it leaves the provider

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rushfan:

Oh

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rushfan:

Well my HDHomeRun is all digital

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iamlindoro:

And they get *all* their channels that way

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: yeah

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rushfan:

I only get a few :(

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iamlindoro:

yeah, digital for the few channels the cable companies are *required* to give us

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rushfan:

And yeah, TV looks a gazillion times better when its already digital, even when its not HD

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: and they still try to mislead consumers about it

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rushfan:

Time Warners FAQ says you MUST have digital cable to get HD channels

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iamlindoro:

They're douchebags

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rushfan:

bullshit. I have basic cable and I get QAM

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: they're hugh douchebags

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rushfan:

I wish congress would let them burn in hell

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rushfan:

People always want congress to restrict them, but what they dont get is that the government does a bazillion things to help them maintain their evil business practices

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roothorick:

has anyone ever gotten capture working with the SciAl 4250HDC?

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rushfan:

its corporate welfare damn it. We just need to pull the plug and put them on their own so there can be a ton of competition

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rushfan:

That'll drive them into hell

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iamlindoro:

Haha, Maybe I'm the only one excited by it... doesn't anyone else like perfect metadata? Now all my hundreds of videos have lengths that are correct... automated

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rushfan:

metadata?

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iamlindoro:

in mythvideo, when it shows you the info on a file

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rushfan:

I finally got a SchedulesDirect account last week

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rushfan:

heh

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iamlindoro:

one of them is Length:

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rushfan:

Been using a datascrubber even since zap2it went offline

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iamlindoro:

rushfan: Not recordings, mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

movies

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mzb:

yeah, I can see the use in the length script ... what method did you use?

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rushfan:

Oh...

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iamlindoro:

even with IMDB, many movies report 0 minutes

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rushfan:

I dont use mythvideo

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rushfan:

I just use mplayer/xine

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iamlindoro:

And I have hundreds of archived shows in there too

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rushfan:

Mythvideo doesnt support matroska :|

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mzb:

btw: just tried dtvsignal but it grabs the card ... so a bit pointless (can't tune it then ;)

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iamlindoro:

so I ran this bad boy, and now they're all right

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roothorick:

rushfan: err? mythvideo is basically just a wrapper for mplayer

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roothorick:

err, frontend

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rushfan:

My mkv files never showed up

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roothorick:

mine did

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rushfan:

hmm, wtf

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roothorick:

anyway

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rushfan:

On this note Im going to start transcoding my recordings

[06:45:50]

rushfan:

But I need the damn commercials out first

[06:45:56]

iamlindoro:

mzb: I sorta just scripted something up... it's pretty messy but just pulls the first file from videometadata where length = 0, does a mplayer -identify on it, awks out the length info, converts it to minutes, and dumps it back in the db

[06:45:57]

roothorick:

I can't find any reference anywhere on the web of anyone, with any software, capturing video out of my cable box

[06:46:06]

roothorick:

I just want to be reassured that somewhere, someone has pulled it off

[06:46:08]

rushfan:

Last crappy guide I had on how to do that involved transcoding the video :|

[06:46:09]

mzb:

omg: I'm stupid ... femon is in dvb-utils :)) !!!

[06:46:59]

mzb:

iamlindoro: sounds simple enough ... I assume that works with all supported filetypes? I've had problems getting mplayer to show me the right info, too.

[06:47:34]

iamlindoro:

mythvideo has to have file types added to it in mythsetup... to see your mkv's you have to add the extention in Media Settings-Video Settings-File Types

[06:47:50]

iamlindoro:

And internal will play almost everything perfectly, but seeking is a bit broken in MKVs, so I use mplayer for that

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mzb:

ok ... now I have femon! (there all the time;)) ... so now I can do some OSD tricks (if necessary;)

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iamlindoro:

mzb: yeah, worked with everything excapt about five files that I had to break out and add manually... but vs doing 500 or som myself, doing 5 manually wasn't too great a price

[06:48:28]

ferrari:

has anyone tried MiniMyth before? any major differences between the MythTV and MiniMyth?

[06:48:34]

mzb:

nice ... want to share? :)

[06:48:52]

iamlindoro:

mzb: I'm happy to share, but be warned that it is *painfully* ugly

[06:49:02]

mzb:

(I've got time to kill while copy in progress;)

[06:49:11]

mzb:

np ... I can show you *really* ugly

[06:49:14]

mzb:

:)

[06:49:16]

iamlindoro:

and lives across about five files... let me clean up just a bit, zip it, and put it up somewhere

[06:49:28]

mzb:

(eg. 2x published examples)

[06:49:47]

rushfan:

Whats the option to automatically generate the cutlist from the commercials flags?

[06:49:49]

mzb:

(scripts, that is)

[06:49:54]

rushfan:

The damn wiki doenst talk about it anymore?

[06:50:18]

iamlindoro:

mzb, let me put variables in so you don't have to hunt down all the instances of a few things... 10 mins

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mzb:

http://dvd-baker.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/d . . . ?view=markup

[06:51:28]

mzb:

ok, thanks

[06:51:35]

mzb:

http://ramdisk-rescue.svn.sourceforge.net/vie . . . ?view=markup

[06:51:42]

mzb:

http://ramdisk-rescue.svn.sourceforge.net/vie . . . ?view=markup

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rushfan:

Is there anyway to remove commercials WITHOUT transcoding?

[06:52:15]

mzb:

yes (kinda)

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iamlindoro:

rushfan: yes, use lossless transcode

[06:52:27]

mzb:

yep

[06:52:41]

mzb:

flag commercials, check manually, lossless transcode

[06:52:49]

rushfan:

iamlindoro: well that sucks :(

[06:52:58]

mzb:

(I have High Quality profile set to lossless)

[06:53:07]

mzb:

it's quite quick as it only copies

[06:53:14]

rushfan:

oh

[06:53:24]

rushfan:

How do I automatically generate the cutlist from the commercial flags agian?

[06:53:33]

rushfan:

Anyone remember? The wiki doesnt say it anymore :|

[06:53:40]

rushfan:

(god damn I hate wikis --> they ruined the internet)

[06:53:52]

mzb:

e for edit, z for load ..

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mzb:

now that I have a (reasonably) big drive the plan is to *only* have pure mpeg2 ... makes it so much easier to burn DVDs ;)

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mzb:

brb ... time to have a few mins of fun before woman leaves and "Daddy Duty" restarts ;)

[06:55:36]

mzb:

(fun = beer fridge + 48" + WRC3 in garage;))

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mzb:

the only game I've got ;)

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rushfan:

Anyway to transcode without it playing the whole damn video?

[07:00:39]

iamlindoro:

rushfan: You don't have to play the video

[07:00:45]

rushfan:

oh...

[07:00:47]

rushfan:

nice

[07:00:48]

iamlindoro:

just start the transcode from the menu

[07:00:58]

iamlindoro:

or play it, start the transcode, and stop playing it

[07:01:02]

iamlindoro:

and te transcode will go on

[07:01:03]

rushfan:

How do I know when its done?

[07:01:15]

iamlindoro:

Job status in information center

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rushfan:

neato

[07:06:36]

iamlindoro:

mzb: back yet?

[07:08:59]

tank-man:

rushfan, you can copy the flagged commercials to the cut list with this: /usr/local/bin/mythcommflag --chanid "$chanid" --starttime "$starttime" --gencutlist

[07:09:24]

tank-man:

replace $chanid and $starttime with the show you want

[07:13:33]

iamlindoro:

mzb: When you're back, you can fetch the script at http://idisk.mac.com/r.mcnamara-Public?view=web

[07:14:00]

iamlindoro:

mzb: instructions are at the top of the lengthscript.sh file. Need to copy pc into your path, set the four variables, and it should run after that

[07:14:13]

rushfan:

Anyone here use avidemux2?

[07:14:27]

rushfan:

Im trying to figure out how to crop stuff before I transcode :|

[07:14:38]

iamlindoro:

mzb: just babysit it in case it fails on one of your files... it goes into a loop if it does, so you'll just need to keep a eye on it

[07:17:58]

mzb:

back

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iamlindoro:

mzb: I cleaned it up as nicely as I could in.... hmmm, 15 minutes

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mzb:

ok, thanks ... I'll have a play

[07:19:02]

iamlindoro:

Actually comes across as simpler than I expected it to

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mzb:

rushfan: set A and B markers (sometimes need to press twice) and select CUT

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roothorick:

I've all but given up on my STB

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iamlindoro:

mzb: let me know whether a) it works on your system and b) whether it hangs up on many files

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roothorick:

I can't get farking Windows to talk to it

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iamlindoro:

mzb: If I get motivated I'll clean it up and figure out why some files fail

[07:21:34]

mzb:

iamlindoro: ok, I'll see how I go

[07:21:41]

mzb:

I'll check it out

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iamlindoro:

no real reason it needs to be five files, could just as easily be one... broke it down into pieces to figure it out

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mzb:

I have external sqlserver ... so -h $SQLSERVER will be needed

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iamlindoro:

fair enough

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iamlindoro:

Might as well add that in while I play around with this

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roothorick:

gah

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roothorick:

fucking cable box

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roothorick:

all I have left are crazy ideas like trying different firewire ports on the PC and the box

[07:36:48]

tank-man:

troubles with HD ?

[07:37:05]

roothorick:

troubles with firewire

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roothorick:

I've tried two different OSes, one driver each, and three different players, all supposed to be able to talk to other boxes in the same family as my box, and they all do the same thing — generate 0-byte files and never get any actual data out of the box

[07:38:32]

jasonlr:

my cable boxes firmware disables the firewire

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roothorick:

I already called the cableco, they claim the ports are in fact enabled

[07:39:18]

jasonlr:

that sucks

[07:39:25]

jasonlr:

what box?

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roothorick:

SciAl Explorer 4250HDC

[07:39:49]

jasonlr:

i see

[07:40:03]

roothorick:

you know...

[07:40:09]

roothorick:

there is one last option

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jasonlr:

i cant even use component on mine to pass through to my PS heh

[07:40:28]

roothorick:

I don't know if my friend would go for it

[07:40:52]

roothorick:

my friend has the same service, same provider, and he's an IRL friend so same area

[07:40:57]

roothorick:

but he has a 3250HD

[07:41:20]

roothorick:

I wonder what TWC would say if I called them and said I want his box and he can have mine?

[07:41:51]

jasonlr:

depends on the tech you got probably every time i call them it is crap shoot

[07:43:04]

jasonlr:

man why does ramen noodles have to be so unhealthy

[07:43:09]

jasonlr:

they are just so damn good heh

[07:43:10]

roothorick:

hahaha

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roothorick:

and cheap

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jasonlr:

yup

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jasonlr:

im trying to cut weight before my pt test but blah

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roothorick:

well, I know what my next move is going to be

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roothorick:

find a 4pin-6pin firewire cable and experiment with my friend's cable box using my laptop

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jasonlr:

you might be able to request a diff box from TWC if they didnt want yo uto trade

[07:45:02]

roothorick:

I'm hoping they'll allow me, and just do a bunch of paperwork and stuff to make it happen

[07:45:07]

jasonlr:

yea

[07:45:24]

roothorick:

we may have to present both boxes at the local office

[07:45:28]

roothorick:

but that's not too much of a hassle

[07:45:48]

roothorick:

I'll call them tomorrow

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roothorick:

er today

[07:45:57]

roothorick:

but for now, I'm going to catch a few

[07:45:59]

roothorick:

good night

[07:46:08]

jasonlr:

later

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jasonlr:

0245 i should be sleeping i need to go to the gym at 0500

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vosque:

anyone know how to make mythweather and company go through a socks proxy?

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linagee:

wow. my myth box hardly records anything these days. hah

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linagee:

Dear writers guild, my myth box is SO hungry. :(

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Tanthrix:

I really wish Remote Desktop didn't kick the pants off of VNC.

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jcg42:

Can I use MythTV just as a Media Center (No DVR) to browse the videos, music, pictures, etc. already on my computer.

[09:10:01]

orkid:

yes

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vosque:

anyone know how to make mythweather and company go through a socks proxy?

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willcooke:

morning justinh, back to work today? :(

[10:22:30]

justinh:

I would be, if it wasn't for this man-flu

[10:24:18]

willcooke:

I'm annoying everyone by sniffing all the time – they'll get annoyed soon, and maybe I get to go home :)

[10:25:07]

justinh:

luckily I've mostly been spared the snotty nose :)

[10:25:19]

justinh:

just a bastard cough from hell

[10:26:25]

justinh:

had a very sober new year's eve though. can't mix alcohol with Tixylix :P

[10:32:54]

willcooke:

Tixylix? Awwh, bless.

[10:32:58]

willcooke:

How's Mutley getting on?

[10:34:56]

justinh:

great. still not mega sociable but generally not a lead puller anymore :)

[10:36:00]

willcooke:

result!

[10:36:26]

willcooke:

Well – we've moved on towards a full Family 2.0. We're expecting a littleun in June!

[10:36:27]

justinh:

took him up North with us over xmas. stayed at the in-laws' place took him to the beach. he loved that, diving into the waves, running back out & 'drying' himself by rolling in the sand. hilarious

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willcooke:

:)

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justinh:

congratulations!

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willcooke:

ta!

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justinh:

there's a serious risk that some 300 odd lines of my code might make it into mythtv before 0.21. rather worrying :)

[10:39:26]

dans91_:

justinh: :-D

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dans91_:

justinh: something to do with appearance, as I recall? What're you working on?

[10:39:53]

justinh:

yeah

[10:40:04]

justinh:

move arrows onscreen to set the GUI size

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dans91_:

ah, nice one.

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dans91_:

well, I just upgraded to trunk from 0.20.2

[10:41:03]

dans91_:

so far, so good. Except that mythfrontend is using about twice as much CPU as before :/

[10:41:26]

willcooke:

dans91_, In which case – can you try something for me. Can you go in to mythvideo and refresh your list of available movies?

[10:43:08]

dans91_:

willcooke: i can...however I compiled this about 16 hours ago, just so you know. rev 15283

[10:43:31]

** justinh starts to change the arrow clipping logic **

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dans91_:

willcooke: so you want me to go to video manager? or what?

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willcooke:

s'ok – I did about the same time. And now the front end seg faults when I refresh my list of movies. Just wondering if it's me thats gone wrong of the software.

[10:44:16]

willcooke:

Yeah – video manager, and then whatever the option is to re-scan your movies

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dans91_:

willcooke: no problems

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dans91_:

willcooke: refreshed fine

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willcooke:

OK – something I've done then. Thanks

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dans91_:

im actually kinda impressed its running so smoothly. kudos to the devs for keeping things reasonably functional and stable even in trunk :)

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** willcooke wonders if he did a make clean && make distclean.... **

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justinh:

just realised something. with me not in work today I'm missing out on the chance to give everybody else the lurgy!

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justinh:

ouchy. segfault. all because I did if (topleftarrow_y) < 0 { topleftarrow = 0 } oops

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dans91_:

compiled languages. so much fun. :)

[11:04:14]

dans91_:

I am MOST impressed with the performance I'm getting now. 5% CPU for mythbackend while it records 3 seperate shows off DVB-T tuners, including one HD show.

[11:04:51]

dans91_:

either there has been some serious optimisations done, or athlon64 cpu tuning makes more of an impact than I had imagined.

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justinh:

I used to record from 2 dvb-t tuners at the same time on my 800mhz athlon box (now my dev machine) with less than 10% CPU used

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willcooke:

dans91_, are you running a 64 bit OS then? Cos my 64bit machine running a 32bit OS is really bad performance wise

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dans91_:

willcooke: no way. 32 bit for me :)

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willcooke:

:)

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dans91_:

willcooke: had too many dramas with 64 bit in the past

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justinh:

willcooke: btw the epia has gone. replaced it with a core2 duo 1.83 mobile with 1GB RAM for a little over 100 squids

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willcooke:

Likewise dans91_ I wonder why mine is slow then. Hmm. I'll have to look in to that

[11:07:17]

dans91_:

justinh: so little? hrm then I guess something was wrong before then. Because I was seeing 10–15% cpu on only two programs recording.

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willcooke:

justinh, sweet! a laptop?

[11:08:00]

justinh:

not a laptop. motherboard is an aopen i945GMm-HL I got on ebay

[11:09:02]

justinh:

intel onboard video. I ended up tweaking the driver to get tvout to work properly

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willcooke:

justinh, You're 0wning that C code now then!

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justinh:

wouldn't quite go that far

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justinh:

I think it's safe to say I've become more proactive than I was :)

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justinh:

have to go back to themes soon to fulfil a promise I made last year

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justinh:

now I need to look at another plugin to see what they do in the .pro file to install default-wide stuff

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justinh:

morning stuarta. happy new year!

[11:25:27]

stuarta:

morning. happy new year 2u2

[11:27:16]

** stuarta feels like crap today **

[11:30:30]

justinh:

I still have man-flu, so I'm not back in work yet

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stuarta:

hmpf

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justinh:

hrm why is make install trying to strip my image files?

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stuarta:

no idea

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peque:

justinh: Hey justin – thanks for the help yesterday – works like a charm now !

[11:46:40]

justinh:

peque: cool :)

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stuarta:

has the RT site fixed itself yet?

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peque:

Yup! Fantastic

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justinh:

stuarta: apparently not

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justinh:

http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.dat is 404'ing

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stuarta:

ew

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justinh:

its unavailability indicates they've at least done something about it

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justinh:

hrm, all my files are being installified correctly. just left with the strip problems

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justinh:

well well well, I never knew topfield PVRs had been hacked to use xmltv tv guide data

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dans91_:

hmm.backend running for a few hours now, 6 programs recorded, no crashes.

[12:09:42]

justinh:

found somebody with the same problem on the -dev list... it's not really a problem

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plediii`:

Does anyone know where I can ask for advice on simply hooking up a via m10k to my TV? I can't tell if I'm suffering from hardware problems or ignorance.

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plediii`:

Well it's not really busy here so I'll just ask: I turned on the tv-output in the bios and hooked the mobo to my TV using an svideo cable. But when I turn on the machine, the TV only receives a quick flicker of a signal and then nothing. Am I missing something? Should I be worrying about drivers in the OS at this point or is something wrong with my board?

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xand:

plediii`: don't know about that specific card, but you often have to enable it with the driver... e.g. an option in xorg.conf

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dans91_:

dont the via boards have special drivers? the openchrome stuff or something?

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plediii`:

so I shouldn't expect to see the POST?

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xand:

depends one the video chip

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xand:

*on

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plediii`:

ok. I just found the VIA forums, so I'm searching that now.

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plediii`:

Thank you :)

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davidwinter:

hi all. how can I get MythTV to run in a window rather than fullscreen?

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DGnome:

browse through options and find the right checkbox to check?

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justinh:

go to the appearance setup menu & tick the 'run mythfrontend in a window' box

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justinh:

you can't click & drag said window to resize it but it can be moved

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davidwinter:

i checked that box, but it still is in fullscreen. do I need to hit some sort of key to switch between window and fullscreen?

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GreyFoxx:

no, did you check the box and pick next next etc all the way through to finish ? Or check the box and hit Escape ?:)

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davidwinter:

went all the way to the finish

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Alxx:

Has anyone else in the UK got no listings data since new year?

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Alxx:

(freeview)

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justinh:

Alxx: radiotimes had server problems. they're working on it

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GreyFoxx:

Alxx: Radiotimes is having issues I believe

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Alxx:

not just me then, sweet :)

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GreyFoxx:

davidwinter: That should do it then, assuming you restarted mythfrontend

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Dibblah:

They are literally working on it now, according to the latest posting.

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GreyFoxx:

There is a -w commandline flag for it too

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davidwinter:

GreyFoxx: yep. I exited and then started it again

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Dibblah:

http://talk.radiotimes.com/thread.jspa?threadID=400000433

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Alxx:

you guys know everything :D

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** justinh laughs **

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Dibblah:

We know nothing.

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justinh:

I know how to blunder through code & make it do something which appears to be what I want it to do. Blunder being the operative word ;)

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GreyFoxx:

In the end we are all monkeys banging on keyboards :)

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Alxx:

if mythtv was written in perl I'd have 1/2 a chance but my C is very rusy!

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justinh:

some muppet did a mythtv equivalent (so he said) in a few lines of perl

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GreyFoxx:

and cron

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GreyFoxx:

17 lines of perl and cron!

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Alxx:

I bet that was beautiful ;)

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justinh:

I hope he died of a horrible plague

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justinh:

oops did I type that? I thought I was only thinking it

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mr:

Im using the Hauppage 350 card but Im not sure which input-source to choose in the card-setup. The TV-source is connected through a tuner and into the "vid in" on the hauppage card but when I try to watch TV the screen simply turns black and nothing happends. Any suggestions?

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rhp:

mr: you have a separate tuner?

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black_Nightmare_:

I know its not even for mythtv itself but meh anyone know how much I should reasonably be able to ask for an ati aiw7500 agp card? I still have nearby everything except the original box (so basically just like this ebay photo but most of the cables have been out of their bag) http://i7.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/cf/3a/e598_1.JPG

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rhp:

mr: are you using the TV out on the 350 as well?

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mr:

rph: Im using an separate tuner, thats connected to the 350, yes Im using the TV out on the 350 as well.

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black_Nightmare_:

hm guess not

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GreyFoxx:

anyone here a ps3 users having troubles accessing upnp content (xvid/divx) using current svn ?

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alexvd:

nko.8/swazzzz122eeqcxxxxxxxxxxxxc

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alexvd:

hjhjj m m nm

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alexvd:

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stuarta:

really?

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justinh:

Merlin83b2: http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Spiredream for the motherboard

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Merlin83b2:

Heh, I guess it does belong over here :)

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Merlin83b2:

One of the bundles?

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justinh:

nah got it on its own. broken sata connector, so knockdown price

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justinh:

not an issue when you're diskless :)

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Merlin83b2:

lol, nice.

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dijenerate:

hi all

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dijenerate:

anyone here using myth on a linksys nslu2 with debian etch?

[15:48:16]

dijenerate:

obviusly just a backend of course

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dijenerate:

anybody?

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iamlindoro__:

dijenerate: Show some patience, most people don't get answers in a minute

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stuarta:

if you get it to work let us now :)

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stuarta:

know

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iamlindoro__:

and in answer to your question, there's practically 0 chance that thing has the horsepower for either half of myth

[15:52:35]

dijenerate:

sorry, I have a lot of lag here

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justinh:

I've read about it, even spoke to somebody once who knew someone who knew a guy who had it working

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stuarta:

it's proabably got enough for dvb recording, as that's just bit banging

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dijenerate:

well I gather it works, there are binaries for sarge

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justinh:

not enough grunt to run mysql on there, but if you have a separate server it should be fine

[15:53:34]

justinh:

just don't expect commercial flagging or transcoding to happen fast :P

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dijenerate:

but I'm having hell trying to compile for etch using the tutorial http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_On_NSLU2

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justinh:

hmm. It's a bugger when you have hell

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dijenerate:

distcc doesn't work so it's only compiling locally

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dijenerate:

that's an even bigger bugger

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justinh:

distcc can be tricky if the versions on other machines are different.

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dijenerate:

hmmm....

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justinh:

ideally everything should be the same

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justinh:

same version of distcc, same version of the compiler itself

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dijenerate:

well other systems are 2.6.22 kernels to begin with and the etch on the slug is 2.6.16

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dijenerate:

not even the kernels are the same

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dijenerate:

nothing matches, not gcc, not distcc, and even on machine is 64-bit linux

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justinh:

isn't distcc just a convenience thing in that case though? sure it'll speed up compilation but if you're prepared to wait longer it should still work

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dijenerate:

maybe I should cross compile locally

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justinh:

.. or that

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dijenerate:

it's been compiling for over 16 hours

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dijenerate:

no end in sight

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dijenerate:

lol

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justinh:

just be glad you've not gone for gentoo on the NSLU then :P

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dijenerate:

lol

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dijenerate:

that wouldn't be fun

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xand:

dijenerate: I have etch on my nslu2

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xand:

oh, you want mythtv on there? no way

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dijenerate:

xand: r u using myth on it?

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dijenerate:

oh.... ok

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xand:

it's way too slow and lacking in ram

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justinh:

xand: already been proven to be able to use USB video capture devices running mythbackend if using a external storage & an external mysql server

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xand:

I see

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dijenerate:

so i guess sasc-ng is out of the question?

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GreyFoxx:

not allowed in here

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dijenerate:

oh... sorry

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dijenerate:

GreyFoxx: new here

[16:02:35]

justinh:

I had to clean up the wiki the other week cos of that junk

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Merlin83b2:

justinh: What case have you put that motherboard in?

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dijenerate:

oh... wow that bad eh?

[16:04:09]

justinh:

Merlin83b2: silverstone lc02, same as the epia junk was in

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Merlin83b2:

Hmm. I'll probably go for an Antec Solo, my current case being no use.

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jarle_:

If I set a channel to not be visible, will this also stop myth from scheduling recordings from this channel?

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stuarta:

um, i think so.

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jarle_:

stuarta: That's what I'm hoping for... I have a lot of channels in my listings that I have no interest in, but there is no point in deleting them as then they will just be added next channel scan...

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MilhousePunkRock:

Hello everyone!

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MilhousePunkRock:

Anyone here got ACPI wakeup and MythWelcome to work properly?

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jasonlr:

anyone ever used monoprice.com for stuff?

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Viaken:

Ok, so now I'm trying to get the Iguanaworks serial IR reciever working. I finally got irrecord to start...but it's not showing anything when I push buttons on the remote.

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knowledgejunkie:

UK users – Radio Times listings are (mostly) back online

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** stuarta tries to look impressed and fails **

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MilhousePunkRock:

What could I have overlooked if idleness does not hibernate the PC now that I am trying to use mythwelcome? It worked when I had it set up directly in mythbackend...

[17:18:14]

xand:

well done bbc c.c

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xand:

now I have to decide which listings to use

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hatchmt:

I'm not sure what changed, but I am now unable to pass ac3 through iec958. PCM audio still works over the optical, but no ac3 during live tv. If I go to view recorded shows, it starts ac3 for about 1/10 second and quits.

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siXy:

hatchmt: try testing with aplay

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iamlindoro_:

Wrote a little script to auto-generate length information for movies in MythVideo, if anyone is as anal as I am about having accurate metadata. Available here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Length_Script

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hatchmt:

I don't have any ac3 audio to test with aplay. aplay works for pcm audio, though.

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hatchmt:

unless I can just point it to an mpg file

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hatchmt:

I guess aplay would decode the ac3 anyway

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hatchmt:

I'll test it later with mplayer

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xand:

knowledgejunkie: some odd line breaks in the data

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knowledgejunkie:

xand: yep, and some bad non-English chars

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frahi:

is aplay really decoding ac3?

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knowledgejunkie:

xand: but the grabber shouldn't bail out, and you can schedule now on non-EIT channels again, _which is nice_

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xand:

so... anyway, why does the xmltv stuff feel the need to convert a ~ separated file into xml and then put it in the database?

[17:25:42]

xand:

knowledgejunkie: if I have EIT and RT data... which will it use?

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hatchmt:

frahi, I meant wouldn't — typo. hence why I said I'd try it with mplayer instead. :) Sorry...

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knowledgejunkie:

xand: both probably, with unpredictable results. If you move back to RT data, turn off EIT scanning for those channels

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stuarta:

the EIT data would continually overwrite the RT data

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xand:

it'd be useful to have EIT data for channels without RT listings, and the rest use RT

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stuarta:

you can

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xand:

by just using both?

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stuarta:

just make sure you only have useonairguide set for those channels you want EIT data for

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xand:

ah

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iamlindoro_:

For purposes of a shell script, can anyone think of a way to count out the number of lines returned by a program? I am writing a script that uses the imdb.pl script, and want to prompt the user when it returns more than one possible title

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Merlin83b2:

|wc -l

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iamlindoro_:

Merlin83b2, Thanks, will take a look at that :)

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visit0r_:

iamlindoro_: try find_meta.py it has that feature already

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iamlindoro_:

visit0r_, Thanks, will look at that as well

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visit0r_:

iamlindoro_: switch -i

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The-1:

can anyone help me install mythtv on kanotix?

[17:57:26]

iamlindoro_:

Didn't you ask that like three times yesterday, and we sent you at the howto?

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directhex:

kanotix? oh dear, people still run that?

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, Well yesterday it was help him install that and Blankity-blankity-blankity-blankity-ng

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iamlindoro_:

Mmmmm, I wants me some free Dish Network

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, know what? use of poop-ng doesn't really surprise me with that distro

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hatchmt:

I'm having some mythweb issues. Here's what I'm trying to do:

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, it's such a funny little distro. and cute, in a way

[18:00:08]

hatchmt:

I have mythtv set up on a dedicated machine

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, I know less than zero about it, honestly

[18:00:18]

hatchmt:

I want to set up mythweb on my web server (separate box)

[18:00:50]

directhex:

iamlindoro_, it's like knoppix, but the distro maintainer doesn't really understand the idea of packages, so it just overwrites files in /usr left-right-and-center using badly hacked scripts

[18:00:55]

hatchmt:

is there a way to get mythweb set up on the internet-accessible machine and have it interface with the mythtv box inside the firewall?

[18:01:02]

iamlindoro_:

directhex, ewwwwwwwww

[18:01:18]

hatchmt:

Just setting the setenv stuff in the mythweb.conf file doesn't allow me to see tuner status or anything.

[18:01:34]

directhex:

iamlindoro_, i don't say this to be mean, i say this having spoken with him on irc and gone "you don't understand packages, here is why your system is flawed" and being told i'm talking crap

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iamlindoro_:

directhex: understood, didn't come off as mean-spirited

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The-1:

the howtos didnt help me :(

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iamlindoro_:

That howto is a cut-and-paste install guide... if you couldn't get it installed with that, then your only hope is something like mythbuntu

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The-1:

i copy and pasted some stuff but not the main mythtv

[18:05:53]

The-1:

wats the command to install mythtv

[18:05:55]

The-1:

nano – a nice easy to use text editor

[18:05:56]

The-1:

automake1.8 – so you can build from tarball when needed

[18:05:56]

The-1:

libncurses5-dev – needed for lcdproc

[18:05:56]

The-1:

libxxf86vm-dev

[18:05:56]

The-1:

libqt3-mt-mysql

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The-1:

mingetty (for autologin procedure)

[18:05:58]

The-1:

i did those

[18:06:15]

The-1:

libid3tag0-dev

[18:06:15]

The-1:

libmad0-dev

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The-1:

libvorbis-dev

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The-1:

libcdparanoia0-dev

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The-1:

libflac-dev

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The-1:

libcdaudio-dev

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iamlindoro_:

oh jeez

[18:06:31]

The-1:

libtiff4-dev

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The-1:

and those

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The-1:

but not svn

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iamlindoro_:

as it appears to be a debian based distro, one would presume apt-get install mythtv....

[18:07:18]

The-1:

i tried that

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iamlindoro_:

but if you are having such a hard time with this, you really need to consider mythbuntu instead

[18:08:04]

The-1:

this wat it tells me when i do apt-get install mythtv

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directhex:

iamlindoro, debian "based". kano's messing around has badly braindamaged it

[18:08:16]

The-1:

E: couldnt find packages mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, Ahhhh

[18:08:55]

siXy:

iamlindoro: http://rafb.net/p/9HuZ7F17.html

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The-1:

wat should i do iamlindoro?

[18:09:30]

siXy:

thats your program, but simpler

[18:10:00]

iamlindoro_:

The-1, Install mythbuntu

[18:10:07]

iamlindoro_:

siXy, Thanks, appreciate the help

[18:11:07]

The-1:

how?

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siXy:

iamlindoro: no probs. things like wc -l < file instead of wc -l file | awk '{print $1}' help, as does using bc rather than expr

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The-1:

this wat it tells me when i do apt-get install mythbuntu?

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The-1:

E: couldnt find packages mythtv

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The-1:

i got that

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iamlindoro_:

The-1, Download mythbuntu ISO, boot off the disk, follow obvious prompts

[18:12:13]

iamlindoro_:

ie, ditch Kanotix

[18:12:41]

The-1:

r u fimilar with fedora 8?

[18:13:22]

iamlindoro_:

The-1, No.

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siXy:

The-1: some people might be familiar with it. However I don't know what a fimilar is.

[18:15:02]

The-1:

but u have done mythbuntu

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iamlindoro_:

A monkey can do mythbuntu

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The-1:

haha lol

[18:15:30]

The-1:

where can i get latest?

[18:16:32]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=mythbuntu

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The-1:

im getting mythbuntu 7.10 i386

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: too friggin funny

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at0m|c:

hi, is there a way to use a pvr-350's radio tuner through mythtv? or does that only work with a dedicated radio application?

[18:19:01]

iamlindoro_:

siXy, I'm looking at your improvements... I'm by now means a scripting expert... will this version loop, or just do a single title?

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iamlindoro_:

er by no

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siXy:

iamlindoro: it gets all the titles with mysql -h $DBHOST -u$DBUSER -p$DBPASSWORD < file.sql > results.sql then deletes the first line (as that sill just be the name of the field specified with SELECT – unless my mysql differ from yours) then while read MYVAR; do stuff; done < results.sql loops for each line in the esults file

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siXy:

s/sill/will/

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GreyFoxx:

at0m|c: Nothing in myth to use that :/

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siXy:

at0m|c: there was a mythfm plugin, ages ago but it hasn't been maintained for ages

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iamlindoro_:

siXy, I see, thanks

[18:22:03]

at0m|c:

doh, GreyFoxx

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at0m|c:

siXy, will see what i can find on that, cheers :)

[18:22:25]

siXy:

you might possibly get it to compile against recent myth, but it was never that great to begin with

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The-1:

30% done

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at0m|c:

seems logical to me that mythtv would also do radio fm tuners, as it looks so similar. ivtv for tuning, scheduling options etc

[18:24:10]

at0m|c:

but i don't know about the coding eh

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beakster:

hello

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siXy:

at0m|c: the thing is that most people that use it have digital radio, as almost all digital tv packages come with some sort of digital radio too. so there hasn't really been a need for it

[18:25:47]

beakster:

my media centres acting funny. All the programs say "Unknown". I can't see any errors in the backend log. Any suggestions?

[18:25:55]

siXy:

most of those that do not have AV recievers that have an FM tuner built in, which is better than myth is ever going to be anyway

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at0m|c:

siXy, i'll have to learn to live with that then.. too bad, no digital radio here eh.

[18:27:22]

at0m|c:

beakster, do you have a working program guide?

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at0m|c:

beakster, see mythfilldatabase

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hashbang:

at0m|c: mythfm used to work for me with 0.19 or so, so there's not much in it. It's just a dumb tuner, though – no recording or anything.

[18:31:38]

at0m|c:

hashbang, thanks for the heads up :)

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hashbang:

at0m|c: oh, that was with a Bt878 card, but providing it shows up as a video4linux device, I guess there should be no difference for you.

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at0m|c:

right

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at0m|c:

problem for now is the tuner is on the backend, and remote frontends cant access the tuner

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iamlindoro_:

siXy, What does the "ed -s results.sql <<< $'1d\nw'" do? The script as you sent it back won't work because $MOVIE is never defined, and therefore can't be run through mplayer

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at0m|c:

mythtv would come in pretty handy :)

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siXy:

the ed deletes the first line of the results.sql file

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The-1:

sixy u have mythtv installed on wat distro?

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siXy:

The-1: centos backend, fedora frontend

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The-1:

yea u lost me lol

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The-1:

heh

[18:35:31]

anykey_:

DVBChan(1): New Params: Frequency: 12539000 Symbol Rate: 27500000 Pol: h Inv: Auto

[18:35:31]

The-1:

im getting mythbuntu and fedora 8 right now

[18:35:34]

anykey_:

2008-01–02 19:34:54.946 DVBChan(1): Tune(): Tuning to 1939000kHz

[18:35:52]

anykey_:

why wuld that happen?

[18:36:02]

AndyCap:

siXy: atrmps or something else?

[18:36:34]

anykey_:

would even

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siXy:

iamlindoro: hmm. something like MOVIE=$(mysql <<< "USE mythconverg; SELECT title FROM \`videometadata\` WHERE \'filename\' = $FILENAME" | tail -n 1)

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siXy:

AndyCap: I use svn-fixes

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siXy:

although i've not updated it in a while

[18:38:29]

siXy:

um you will need mysql -h -u -p instead of just mysql as well

[18:39:16]

The-1:

85% on mythbuntu

[18:39:20]

iamlindoro_:

siXy, simpler just to put one line after the ed line, I think, MOVIE=`cat results.sql` I think

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siXy:

iamlindoro_: that won't work

[18:40:21]

siXy:

what should $MOVIE contain?

[18:40:32]

iamlindoro_:

filename with full path

[18:40:52]

siXy:

oh. then just s/$MOVIE/$FILENAME

[18:41:34]

siXy:

as on each iteration of the loop (and thus each line of the file) FILENAME is set to the contents of the current line of the file redirected into the loop

[18:42:09]

** hashbang switches his myth box back to using the Radio Times xmltv feed **

[18:42:38]

siXy:

and as the file is a list of the filenames in the videometadata table, that should work fine

[18:43:52]

iamlindoro_:

mmm, nope, doesn't work. Did you test this before you sent it back?

[18:44:40]

siXy:

iamlindoro: I tested half of it, but then the backend segfaulted and as I cannot get to it from here, i can't test anymore

[18:45:03]

siXy:

if you run it with bash -x you will see what its doing

[18:45:16]

beakster:

at0m|c back, sorry

[18:45:25]

iamlindoro_:

Yeah, because as sent it would never feed anything to mplayer and wouldn't get any result at all

[18:45:25]

beakster:

at0m|c yeah, ive tried mythfill database

[18:45:31]

beakster:

at0m|c it runs without errors

[18:45:33]

iamlindoro_:

siXy, Thanks for the help, I'll play around with it

[18:45:39]

beakster:

but still says unknown

[18:45:52]

beakster:

it runs as a cronjob too, and has worked fine for over a year

[18:46:10]

iamlindoro_:

beakster, what version of myth? When's the last time you updated it?

[18:46:43]

siXy:

iamlindoro: no problem. if it really doesn't work at all after messing, at least keep my alterations to LENGTH – much neater

[18:46:56]

beakster:

iamlindoro, 0.20 from memory, not updated in a long long time. how do i check version?

[18:46:58]

iamlindoro_:

sixy, yep, for sure. Thanks

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iamlindoro_:

mythbackend --version

[18:47:20]

iamlindoro_:

have you updated since September? Where do you live?

[18:47:36]

iamlindoro_:

What I am getting at is, what is your listings source? Are you using schedulesdirect?

[18:47:52]

beakster:

i live in Reading, UK

[18:47:56]

iamlindoro_:

ah, ok

[18:47:59]

beakster:

probably updated in the Spring

[18:48:05]

iamlindoro_:

beakster, Radio times listings?

[18:48:17]

iamlindoro_:

Think they're out of commission for now

[18:48:32]

iamlindoro_:

or possibly *starting* to come back up, but YMMV, ask the other UK folks

[18:48:39]

beakster:

beakster@mythtv:~$ mythbackend --version

[18:48:39]

beakster:

Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

[18:48:40]

beakster:

Source code version: Unknown

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beakster:

yeah, im pretty sure its radio times

[18:49:21]

iamlindoro_:

beakster, You're not alone... many/most/all people having that problem right now apparently

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** siXy sings the praises of EIT **

[18:50:03]

beakster:

so i should just wait until it works again?

[18:50:12]

hashbang:

iamlindoro: they've been broken since just before xmas, but seem to be working again now

[18:50:30]

hashbang:

iamlindoro: data until 16 jan

[18:50:47]

anykey_:

How would I configure a monoblock LNB? DiseqC Switch + 2 Universal LNB?

[18:50:57]

hashbang:

sorry, 15 jan

[18:51:18]

** xand stabs mythweb **

[18:52:00]

siXy:

beakster: use EIT for now

[18:52:00]

iamlindoro_:

hashbang, It's not unrealistic to believe that it might come up again for others at different times

[18:52:17]

iamlindoro_:

hashbang, I bet he gets listings back within the day though

[18:52:17]

SeNtInEl1:

hey iamlindoro im burning the mythbuntu cd now

[18:52:27]

iamlindoro_:

SeNtInEl1, ok....

[18:52:28]

xand:

in the Upcoming Recordings page, clicking any Activate link gives "Unknown schedule for this program's recordid:" but no "recordid" mentioned :|

[18:52:28]

iamlindoro_:

?

[18:52:55]

hashbang:

beakster: try running mythfilldatabase manually

[18:53:02]

beakster:

ok

[18:53:25]

iamlindoro_:

and maybe do it with --refresh-all

[18:53:32]

hashbang:

iamlindoro: AFAIK, they don't use multiple unsync'ed servers to serve up the listings data, but conceivably they might

[18:53:47]

beakster:

ok, done

[18:53:51]

beakster:

no sign of errors

[18:53:54]

beakster:

should i restart back end?

[18:53:58]

iamlindoro_:

hashbang, Yeah, I just don't know... thought it might be a possibility, though

[18:54:05]

iamlindoro_:

hashbang, That or they're bouncing up and down

[18:54:06]

SeNtInEl1:

its me the-1 just so u know bro

[18:54:15]

iamlindoro_:

SeNtInEl1, Kinda figured

[18:54:19]

SeNtInEl1:

:)

[18:54:25]

hashbang:

iamlindoro: probably demand from mythtv'ers all doing mythfilldatabase

[18:54:25]

directhex:

no life on xmltv.radiotimes.com for me

[18:54:52]

xand:

directhex: the index page is broken but the files are updated (most of them anyway)

[18:54:56]

SeNtInEl1:

i wish i could get mythtv goin i love it my friend hooked it up for me a while back

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directhex:

xand, no, i mean no response from the server. the index is always broken

[18:55:50]

beakster:

ok, ive run mythfilldatabase, and restarted backend, but im still getting Unknown

[18:56:00]

xand:

directhex: the index gives a 404 now

[18:56:14]

cal_:

is the web interface for mythstream a bit buggy?

[18:56:18]

hashbang:

weird, I literally just successfully completed mythfilldatabase

[18:56:25]

xand:

directhex: but otherwise it's working fine for me (tried just now)

[18:56:28]

cal_:

sometimes when i hit the forward button it goes backwords instead

[18:56:31]

hashbang:

Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2008-01–02 18:49 and ended on 2008-01–02 18:49. Successful.

[18:56:31]

hashbang:

There's guide data until 2008-01–16 06:00 (14 days).

[18:56:45]

beakster:

hashbang it completes sucessfully for me too, but i still get Unknown in the programs

[18:56:50]

directhex:

dns issues maybe? i dunno

[18:56:51]

xand:

yeah fine for me too

[18:57:02]

xand:

beakster: did you turn EIT on and not turn it back off?

[18:57:19]

beakster:

what is EIT?

[18:57:22]

beakster:

oh wait, i found an error

[18:57:23]

beakster:

2008-01–02 18:53:38.489 ------------------ End of XMLTV output ------------------

[18:57:24]

beakster:

Error in 1:1: unexpected end of file

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hashbang:

beakster: EIT=on-air EPG

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xand:

EIT is the broadcast EPG data

[18:58:16]

beakster:

ah, ok

[18:58:25]

beakster:

so i should use that instead of radio times XML?

[18:58:30]

beakster:

how do i turn it on?

[18:58:57]

hashbang:

beakster: RT gives ~14 days, EIT gives ~7–8 days

[18:59:26]

hashbang:

beakster: I prefer the detailed RT reviews/descriptions and 2 weeks of data

[18:59:27]

xand:

oh dear, my database has gotten all confused

[18:59:43]

xand:

RT also has proper names of episodes

[18:59:45]

hashbang:

beakster: OTOH, EIT generally gets updated for late running etc.

[18:59:53]

beakster:

hashbang any idea why my RT isnt working?

[18:59:58]

hashbang:

beakster: so swings and roundabouts

[19:00:10]

hashbang:

beakster: apparently they did some moves/upgrades before xmas and broke the xmltv feed

[19:00:33]

hashbang:

beakster: they fixed it today according to http://talk.radiotimes.com/thread.jspa?thread . . . &start=0

[19:01:20]

xand:

ARGH

[19:01:20]

The-1:

hey iamlind i clicked the first one install mythbuntu

[19:01:34]

hashbang:

I think this happened last xmas, too

[19:02:15]

beakster:

hashbang mine still isnt working for some reason =( I'll stick the mythfilldb on pastebin

[19:02:37]

iamlindoro_:

The-1, No need to do a blow-by-blow, just install it and ask questions if there are issues

[19:03:01]

The-1:

sorry

[19:03:02]

beakster:

http://pastebin.com/d36028831

[19:03:24]

beakster:

could someone please take a look at that mythfilldatabase output?

[19:04:10]

siXy:

The-1: most of us have seen enough progress bars in our time not to need another one in an irc channel

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hashbang:

config file /home/beakster/.mythtv/uk_rt.xmltv does not exist, run me with --configure

[19:05:19]

beakster:

hmm, weird

[19:06:01]

xand:

beakster: well

[19:06:03]

hashbang:

beakster: I symlink root's $HOME/.mythtv to ~mythtv/.mythtv

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hashbang:

beakster: since the nightly run will run as root

[19:06:54]

beakster:

cool, but what am i running with --configure? mythfilldatabase doesnt recognise that option

[19:06:58]

hashbang:

beakster: oh, and /.mythtv should symlink to mythtv's .mythtv too

[19:07:17]

hashbang:

beakster: xmltv, IIRC

[19:07:19]

xand:

beakster: that looks like an old version of mythfilldatabase

[19:07:37]

beakster:

beakster@mythtv:~$ mythbackend --version

[19:07:37]

beakster:

Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

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The-1:

should i do a partition?

[19:07:43]

beakster:

is that a bit old?

[19:08:03]

xand:

at least, the output is in a different format to mine

[19:08:22]

directhex:

beakster, very

[19:08:31]

xand:

oh FFS

[19:08:45]

xand:

hundreds of duplicate key errors

[19:08:58]

hashbang:

beakster: my uk_rt.xmltv: http://pastebin.com/d21d82b1a

[19:09:04]

beakster:

directhex, what advantages will i get by updating?

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directhex:

beakster, a newer mythfilldatabase?

[19:09:42]

directhex:

beakster, what's your distro?

[19:09:53]

beakster:

directhex, just mythfilldatabase? or should i update all of myth?

[19:09:56]

hashbang:

directhex: he's already running 0.20.2

[19:09:57]

beakster:

directhex ubuntu

[19:10:01]

directhex:

hashbang, no he isn't

[19:10:05]

beakster:

Edgy i think

[19:10:13]

directhex:

beakster, enable edgy-backports

[19:10:35]

xand:

or dist-upgrade if you're brave

[19:10:53]

directhex:

edgy has 0.20–0.2ubuntu2

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directhex:

edgy-backports has 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6~edgy1

[19:11:16]

The-1:

hey iamlind standard install or advanced install?

[19:11:20]

beakster:

im not brave, i got a feeeling everything will break ifi do a dist-update

[19:11:28]

directhex:

edgt's pretty old though

[19:11:52]

beakster:

so i should enable backports in my sources.list then do an apt-update mythtv ?

[19:12:23]

directhex:

beakster, "aptitude update; aptitude upgrade" ought to be what you want.

[19:12:41]

directhex:

beakster, that's still a pretty old version, but less old

[19:12:57]

beakster:

hmm, i think i'll leave it for now, until i upgrade my distro

[19:13:05]

beakster:

basically it all works, so i dont mess with it :)

[19:13:11]

xand:

is there a way of clearing out the "suggestions" of things to record in Upcoming Recordings? it's listing things that aren't there anymore

[19:13:15]

beakster:

until now tho with xmltv

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The-1:

hey iamlind how do i install a remote control i have the hp media center controller

[19:18:12]

The-1:

?

[19:18:29]

** xand schedules a billion programs to record **

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The-1:

iamlindoro u there bro?

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beakster:

almost sorted, i was running mythfilldatabase as the wrong user

[19:25:59]

nemik:

wow this thing rocks so hard. i don't care-for/watch TV so tuner and all that is not needed. but movie browsing and listening to industrial music with my packard bell remote on HDTV is wonderful

[19:26:03]

siXy:

The-1: the hp remote is the same as the windows mce remote iirc. google for how to set it up

[19:26:17]

The-1:

o

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beakster:

might wipe Edgy off and install the latest Xubuntu at some point

[19:27:27]

Dibblah:

HP doesn't have the backlight.

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siXy:

Dibblah: if thats the only difference i doubt its going to make lirc too unhappy :)

[19:31:15]

xand:

beakster: you could just upgrade to it :P

[19:31:27]

beakster:

xand with one of those dist-updates?

[19:32:05]

xand:

(do a dist-upgrade and then install xfce

[19:32:08]

beakster:

dont think i trust it, would rather do a clean install

[19:32:09]

vontrapp:

when i try to modprobe lirc_serial, i get device or resource busy

[19:32:14]

vontrapp:

is there a way to free it up?

[19:32:22]

xand:

dist-upgrade works great

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beakster:

i'll look into it xand

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nemik:

vontrapp: setserial /dev/<serial-interface> uart none

[19:32:41]

xand:

it's not like upgrading windows :)

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beakster:

but if i break it my 5 house mates wont be happy =)

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vontrapp:

nemik: thx

[19:33:28]

nemik:

:) np

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vontrapp:

now how do i see if the reciever is getting signals? i remember there was some command line prog that would print stuff out

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The-1:

hey iamlindoro configure guide data/backend?

[19:35:26]

The-1:

launch mythtv set up or click to open te schedules direct website?

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xand:

beakster: backup first c.c

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beakster:

c.c?

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xand:

they is my eyeses

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beakster:

oooookay

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xand:

^.^

[19:40:23]

beakster:

i'll back up my home dir and /etc dir incase i have probs reconfiguring things

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beakster:

and leave my /vidoe partition

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xand:

that reminds me, need to setup backups for mysql database

[19:45:24]

xand:

ETOOMANYTHINGSTODOBUTTOOLAZYTODOTHEM

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GreyFoxx:

ugh, so many tickets in trac

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siXy:

GreyFoxx: think of them as christams presents :)

[19:51:26]

i3ooi3oo:

that require alot of work

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jarle_:

Is there a key I can press to set a channel visible or not, or do I have to edit the db myself?

[20:21:07]

siXy:

jarle_: its in mythtv setup

[20:21:22]

siXy:

i belive you can change it from mythweb also, but not 100% sure on that

[20:23:34]

mrdigital:

how can i install the avermedia m150 tv tuner?

[20:24:53]

pbj__:

jarle: You CAN change it in the mythweb

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jarle_:

siXy: I have settled for phpMyAdmin as I need to check each channel one by one if I can decrypt it or not...

[20:28:54]

jarle_:

siXy: so using mythtv setup is not an option and mythweb does not have a nice way to browse 3000+ channels...

[20:29:21]

siXy:

"using mythtv setup is not an option" < why?

[20:30:49]

jarle_:

siXy: cause then I have to stop the backend while configuring...

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The-1:

im stuck on the capture card setup

[20:32:23]

The-1:

card type its a skystar 2

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siXy:

yes, but doesn't mythtv-setup have an option to hide encrypted channels?

[20:33:02]

The-1:

but the card type on there is analog v4l capture card

[20:33:06]

The-1:

wat should it be at?

[20:34:16]

The-1:

any help bro?

[20:34:23]

jarle_:

siXy: When scanning for channels you can select to only scan for FTA channels, but this does not work 100% so you still end up with quite some encrypted channels in you scan...

[20:34:59]

The-1:

hey jarle im stuck on the capture card set up can u help me out bro?

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siXy:

jarle_: ah ok – i only get a few non-FTA channels where I am, and they all get detected

[20:35:33]

siXy:

*detected as ecrypted

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siXy:

The-1: have you tried google?

[20:36:58]

jarle_:

The-1: the skystar is a dvb-s card isn't it?

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The-1:

yes its a dvb-s card

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siXy:

http://www.wlug.org.nz/FreeViewMythTvSetup

[20:38:45]

siXy:

read that

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Yahooadam:

im guessing the RadioTimes listings are still borked

[20:39:43]

siXy:

Yahooadam: they seem to be up again for at least some users

[20:40:14]

Yahooadam:

http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/594.dat: could not fetch http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/594.dat, error: 500 read timeout, aborting

[20:40:28]

Yahooadam:

but my sky update is still going, maybe just 1 of my channels

[20:41:05]

cal_:

sixy: free sattelite service? no way lol

[20:41:18]

siXy:

cal_: huh??

[20:41:35]

cal_:

your freeview link

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Yahooadam:

yeah, there has been for ages

[20:41:58]

Yahooadam:

but there arent _alot_ of unencrypted channels

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siXy:

cal_: that was a link for The-1 to get his tuner card working

[20:42:36]

cal_:

yeah but it got me interested is all

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siXy:

cal_: as for free satellite service, that depends on which country you live in

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Yahooadam:

oh, thought we were talking UK here ;)

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cal_:

usa

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siXy:

no idea then. but some countries do have free satellite service

[20:44:28]

cal_:

i have an old K-band dish. just wondered if it would be worthwile to hook it up.

[20:44:50]

cal_:

i figured most everything is scrambled

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Yahooadam:

i bet there is some freeview, but i doubt you would be happy with the free channels

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Yahooadam:

in the UK (last time i checked) most is scrambled, except like QVC – sigh

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The-1:

cal r u a registered user?

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cal_:

registered user of what?

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The-1:

to msg me

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jduggan:

BBC and ITV are all FTA, and apparently 4 + 5 after march

[20:46:30]

jduggan:

(bbc HD is also fta)

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cal_:

yeah but i forget how to enter my password lol

[20:46:35]

Yahooadam:

sky update failed aswell -

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Yahooadam:

http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/1542.dat: could not fetch http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/1542.dat, error: 500 read timeout, aborting

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siXy:

I heard that 4 is already working on freesat – not sure if thats true however

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Yahooadam:

last time i looked BCC and ITV were not freeview on satalite – they were encrypted

[20:47:14]

xand:

Yahooadam: RT listings are mostly fixed now

[20:47:24]

siXy:

Yahooadam: you need to point at the right satellite

[20:47:34]

jduggan:

Yahooadam: they've been freeview for a long time now

[20:47:43]

jduggan:

Yahooadam: since bbc started freesat project

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jduggan:

nod @ siXy

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Yahooadam:

ah, fair enough

[20:48:06]

Yahooadam:

xand – how can i get it from Mostly fixed, to fixed ;)

[20:48:11]

xand:

probably wait

[20:48:19]

Yahooadam:

or at the least, update the channels that are working :(

[20:48:26]

xand:

it's working for me, but I don't watch satelite channels

[20:48:35]

siXy:

astra 19.2 or something like that

[20:48:40]

Yahooadam:

it didnt work for freeview for me xand

[20:48:47]

Yahooadam:

both DVB-T and sky updates failed

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jduggan:

siXy: i havent read anyone saying 4 is now unencrypted, ive read that they were in contract with sky for FTV until 2008 hence why it's not FTA, and heard rumours of FTA in march, but not any solid confirmation

[20:49:04]

siXy:

now that we have our (shiny) new tv i might take a look at getting it going

[20:49:20]

xand:

Yahooadam: welll... it worked a few hours ago, looks broken now

[20:49:27]

Yahooadam:

:(

[20:49:36]

The-1:

sixy where u at?

[20:49:37]

jduggan:

ive been waiting for channel 4 to go FTA before i invest in dvb-s/sat/lnb

[20:49:44]

siXy:

jduggan: ah that might be it. theres definately c4 on that satellite, but it may well be encrypted

[20:49:54]

xand:

Yahooadam: some files are working, some not, various error codes :|

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siXy:

The-1: approximately 60cm away from my computer

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iamlindoro_:

oooh, precise

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xand:

Yahooadam: I switched to EIT listings for a few days

[20:50:11]

The-1:

right

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jduggan:

siXy: lol

[20:50:26]

knowledgejunkie:

any UK RT users who use the current CVS version of tv_grab_uk_rt will help to reduce load on the RT's servers. I added caching of the listings files so that only updated files will be downloaded if you rerun the grabber

[20:50:32]

The-1:

hey iamlindoro im stuck on the capture card setup

[20:50:40]

The-1:

could u help me out please

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Yahooadam:

yeah, i should probably do that xand, but it sounds like effort :p

[20:50:50]

iamlindoro_:

The-1, What is it you intend to do with a DVB-S card in the US of A?

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siXy:

The-1: did you read the link i gave you?

[20:51:23]

The-1:

yes

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siXy:

ah yes iamlindoro makes a very good point :)

[20:51:32]

iamlindoro_:

Set it to DVB card type to set it up, but given the fact that you were asking for help with sasc-ng yesterday, I'm not feeling very helpful about it

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The-1:

i dont even know wat sasc-ng is i saw it on a website

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The-1:

i wanna hook up mythtv as a media center so i can put my collection of music and videos on there

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iamlindoro_:

Then you don't need to set up a DVB-S card, huh?

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The-1:

well y does it give me the opition then?

[20:54:12]

dec:

so you can use a DVB card if you *want* to?

[20:54:32]

The-1:

yes and i want to so how can i set it up

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iamlindoro_:

I'm not helping, I'm convinced that you intend to break the law with it.

[20:55:29]

Yahooadam:

"so i can put my collection of music and videos on there" "yes and i want to so how can i set it up"

[20:55:29]

Yahooadam:

part2 doesnt come under the spec in part1

[20:55:44]

Yahooadam:

whats wrong with DVB-T?

[20:55:56]

xand:

The-1: how does it know you don't want to use a capture source?

[20:55:58]

Yahooadam:

Â£50 nova-t 500 card gets you dual channel recording, bargin

[20:56:06]

xand:

nova-t 500 rocks

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The-1:

i dont know i thought free to air tv was ok with everyone its not breaking the law if u read up on it my friend

[20:56:36]

Yahooadam:

excellent value ;)

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iamlindoro_:

We're not friends, get someone else to help you

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The-1:

ok

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The-1:

thanks neways for helping me hook up mythtv very nice of u

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jarle_:

The-1: if you just set the card up as dvb-s you should be up'n'running...

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Yahooadam:

too late

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iamlindoro_:

I don't mean to be rude, I'm just not going to help him out setting up anything when he's a) a pain in the ass and b) has been in here sniffing about sasc-ng with Dish Network

[20:59:16]

xand:

wtf is sasc-ng? or shouldn't I ask...

[20:59:23]

directhex:

xand, softcam layer

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xand:

softcam?

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GreyFoxx:

software decryption of sat stuff. not welcome here

[20:59:40]

iamlindoro_:

A way to steal satellite, more or less

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directhex:

xand, decrypting encrypted dvb in software

[21:00:03]

Yahooadam:

has anyone tried the newest version of xmltv?

[21:00:05]

xand:

I see

[21:00:08]

Yahooadam:

it didnt work for me ....

[21:00:22]

directhex:

sasc could technically be used for non-infringing purposes, like using a legit viewing card on a system whose tv card has no CI slot

[21:00:28]

directhex:

but nobody does

[21:00:57]

jarle_:

directhex: I do in fact...

[21:01:08]

jarle_:

but anyway..... :)

[21:01:15]

directhex:

and even then, sasc infringes the patented algorithsm used by its CAM implementations

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Yahooadam:

xmltv 0.4.49 works fine, but 0.5.50 doesnt work :( ... should have written down the error

[21:02:25]

siXy:

i don't think its ever legal. if you are supposed to be viewing the content it may be hard to prosecute you, but you are still breaking your contract and probably violating various patents

[21:02:49]

knowledgejunkie:

Yahooadam: did you install from packages, or from source?

[21:02:54]

FinnTux:

what is the current situation with software patents in europe?

[21:03:02]

siXy:

FinnTux: there are none

[21:03:11]

siXy:

but this isn't a software patent

[21:03:12]

Yahooadam:

from source – im using ubuntu so it doesnt even have a recent version last time i looked

[21:03:15]

xand:

well, mythtv itself is probably illegal in many places

[21:03:17]

FinnTux:

ok, thought so. I should know better – I live in europe after all :)

[21:03:30]

FinnTux:

ah ok siXy

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siXy:

xand: no, unless VCRs are also illegal

[21:03:48]

directhex:

siXy, not all paid tv contracts mandate usnig their set-top box

[21:03:57]

xand:

siXy: well, the use

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Yahooadam:

i thought the legality of "timeshifting" (and therefore, VCR's and DVD-R's) was still dubious

[21:04:28]

siXy:

directhex: oh ok – i haven't seen any that didn't, but then i haven't looked very hard

[21:04:28]

FinnTux:

what about decss? I bet most peeps are using it

[21:04:41]

FinnTux:

not exactly mythtv related but anyways

[21:04:41]

directhex:

siXy, top-up tv, for one

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directhex:

Yahooadam, timeshifting is explicitly permitted in the UK

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siXy:

oh, yeah, but I don't know a single person with top-up tv :)

[21:05:15]

Yahooadam:

really? i thought it was still undecided

[21:05:21]

siXy:

i thought that was pretty much a failed experiment

[21:05:22]

Yahooadam:

ie, it hasnt been taken to court yet

[21:05:26]

FinnTux:

wth is top-up tv? :)

[21:05:40]

siXy:

FinnTux: freeview + extras

[21:05:41]

Yahooadam:

decss is definetly illegel in the USA ....

[21:05:52]

Yahooadam:

but i think you can argue fairuse .... technically

[21:06:12]

directhex:

Yahooadam, it's stated in plain english in the copyright, designs & patents act 1998

[21:06:20]

vontrapp:

is scheduled recording information like conflicts, later/earlier showing, repeat stored in the database somewhere?

[21:06:42]

directhex:

siXy, i have TUTV, but only because i keep forgetting to cancel my subscription

[21:06:48]

FinnTux:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/26/finnish-co . . . ineffective/ <- someone has common sense here in finland

[21:06:56]

siXy:

decss is in an interesting legal position in the UK. whilst techinically illegal, the widespread commercial availiability of multi-region dvd players has taken away the teeth from the law, it may well now be impossible to convict in practice

[21:07:08]

Yahooadam:

yey, radio times XMLTV listings finally updated

[21:07:21]

xand:

siXy: what law does it break then?

[21:07:24]

hashbang:

siXy: especially seeing as giants like Tesco and Asda-Walmart sell 'em. :-)

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hashbang:

siXy: EUCD, as implemented in Copyrights Designs and Patents, I should imagine.

[21:08:08]

siXy:

xand: off the top of my head? thats asking a lot. it will be the patent act of <some date>

[21:08:15]

Yahooadam:

because removing the copy protection is illegal, i believe

[21:08:32]

hashbang:

xand: EUCD = EU DMCA, pretty much, but worse.

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xand:

I thought region locking was separate from css

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xand:

or is the issue that the makers of said players haven't licensed css?

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directhex:

they've explicitly bypassed it

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directhex:

oh sure, sometimes it's a licensing thing, with tiny unbranded players

[21:11:19]

vontrapp:

you have to have a license for every region you play

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directhex:

but you can buy goddamn sonys which are multi-region

[21:11:34]

vontrapp:

most of the time a player only has a license for one specific region

[21:11:55]

Yahooadam:

usually you have to "unlock" the mult-region functionality

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directhex:

sometimes, not always

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directhex:

my parents' one needed unlocking, but it didn't advertise the capability on the box

[21:12:18]

siXy:

Yahooadam: not on arcam. cannot speak for other mfr's

[21:12:36]

Yahooadam:

usually, when somone like tesco sells them, they open the box and do it for you

[21:12:50]

Yahooadam:

therefore, the mfr cant be prosecuted for doing it

[21:13:05]

siXy:

Yahooadam: hmm not convinced. I have never seen anyone do that

[21:13:22]

hashbang:

directhex: sony and other members of the DVD consortium usually need hardware hacks IME

[21:13:25]

siXy:

and the shear amount of time it would take to do that to all dvd players stocked makes it seem unlikely

[21:13:36]

directhex:

hashbang, used to. not so much anymore

[21:13:46]

hashbang:

directhex: compared with the generic taiwanese rebadged stuff

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Yahooadam:

siXy – not really

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hashbang:

directhex: but, as you've noticed, a lot of Sony etc. gear is probably just the same taiwanese stuff these days

[21:14:13]

hashbang:

directhex: with shinier casing.

[21:14:17]

Yahooadam:

usually its like a 6 digit code on the remote, takes like 4 mins per player, how many players do u think they sell ;)

[21:14:43]

hashbang:

Yahooadam: they just print the code on a piece of paper and slip it in the box for the customer to do when he gets home

[21:14:54]

siXy:

Yahooadam: sure – anything involving actual people doing anything is fantastically expensive when you have to do it at any scale. human time is pretty much the biggest expense in virtually all modern products

[21:15:35]

Yahooadam:

maybe they just ship them unlocked now, i know that when my dad bought a DVD player last, maybe <1yr ago, they had to do it

[21:15:39]

directhex:

it certainly is in prostitution

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directhex:

and gold farming

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siXy:

directhex: lmao

[21:15:51]

xand:

haha

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vontrapp:

i can certainly see a salesman who gets paid on commission taking 4 minutes to unlock one for you

[21:15:59]

directhex:

not that there's much difference between those professions

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Yahooadam:

anyway, this discussion does seem somewhat pointless

[21:16:20]

siXy:

well i know which one i would rather do :)

[21:16:45]

Yahooadam:

i dont see mfr's shipping them unlocked, they would be too vaunarable to law suits

[21:16:46]

vontrapp:

what does the network column in networkiconmap map to?

[21:16:57]

alexvd:

Hi Running mythbuntu and trying to do the icon setup. After you get the Channel Icons using tv_grab_na_icons do you still need to run perl.mkiconmap and import them into the databse. Right now it looks like they are all in /usr/shrare/xmltv/icons

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Yahooadam:

if a consumer does it, it would be incredibly difficult to do anything about, beacause you would need to have some proof before your could seize it (or get a warrent)

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alexvd:

sorry to interrupt another great conversation on human capital but any assistance would be appreciated

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Anduin:

vontrapp: used with the callsignnetworkmap table

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alexvd:

Anduin: Your a Dev could you answer my question on importing icons?

[21:20:16]

vontrapp:

and callsign to channel?

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Anduin:

vontrapp: Yup

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vontrapp:

kk

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Yahooadam:

sooo. the second is currently defined as the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium-133 atom.

[21:20:49]

mumrah:

Can anyone recommend a HD antenna for use with mythtv?

[21:21:19]

alexvd:

mumrah: are you in city or less urban area? How far away are you from the tower?

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mumrah:

urban, <4 miles to all desired towers

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mumrah:

and they're all relatively in the same direction

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KjetilK:

I'm looking into setting up http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Volume_Knob_on_Antec_Fusion

[21:21:57]

alexvd:

mumrah: go over to sears and get silver sensor

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KjetilK:

and I'm wondering how I find the vendorID

[21:22:23]

KjetilK:

err idVendor

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KjetilK:

for a pvr150

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mumrah:

alexvd: is that indoor or outdoor?

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Anduin:

alexvd: worse, I wrote that mess, yes you do need to import them still, the only way into the DB is an import

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Yahooadam:

alexvd – if you need help, its best to ask a question ;)

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alexvd:

Yahooadam: I though I did

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Yahooadam:

oh, so you did, it was hidden ;)

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alexvd:

mumrah: small antenna that is indoor

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whodat:

does mythtv support u-verse?

[21:24:56]

alexvd:

Anduin: thanks so do i need to get the script to make the iconmap, then do perl mkiconmap then mythfilldatabase

[21:25:34]

Anduin:

alexvd: Yes, assuming you are running 0.20 (trunk is different)

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alexvd:

Anduin: yes I am running 20.2 I think. So the script is in svn trunk right?

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Yahooadam:

no i think hes saying it works differently if you have a trunk version

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alexvd:

Anduin: sorry I am confused by what the tv_na_grab_icons script does. It downloads the icons right, then I have to create the iconmap or no?

[21:29:02]

alexvd:

Anduin: Can I just import them into the mythfilldatabase?

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Anduin:

alexvd: mkiconmap.pl will make a XML file you can use with mythfilldatabase, and relies on tv_grabicons_na (or whatever it is called0

[21:29:53]

alexvd:

That is why I am confused. I did the icon grab manually.

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defaultro:

hey guys, what can you say about HDHomeRun?

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Anduin:

alexvd: in the mkiconmap.pl --help output is mostly the line I expected people to use.

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alexvd:

I keep getting a error that the script is not found

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alexvd:

Anduin: I am doing the following wget "http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . at=txt" -O master_iconmap.xml

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alexvd:

--16:30:58-- http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . l?format=txt

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Anduin:

alexvd: If you are using mkiconmap.pl you don't actually need the master file (it is there to list known mappings so most people never need to run mkiconmap)

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alexvd:

Aduin: I also tried wget http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/t....pl?format=raw

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alexvd:

Anduin: I tried to run mkiconmap.pl but it says it doesnt exist. I am running mythbuntu

[21:36:46]

Anduin:

alexvd: You want the fixes branch (trunk changes icon downloading)

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alexvd:

Anduin: ok I will google for it

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Anduin:

alexvd: One sec, I'll give you a link

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Anduin:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . l?format=raw

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alexvd:

Anduin: THANKS!!

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Anduin:

I don't Ubuntu so if they actually put mkiconmap.pl somewhere I don't know.

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alexvd:

Aduin: understood thanks again I have it now

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alexvd:

Anduin: So am I supposed to now do mv mkiconmap.pl\?format\=raw mkinconmap.pl then perl mkiconmap.pl then mythfilldatabase--import-iconmap iconmap.xml-update-icon-map?

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Anduin:

alexvd: That should do it

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KaZeR:

brb

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx, You around? I'm curious, since we appear to sort things similarly in MythVideo, whether all your television has full metadata, and if so, how you imported it

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iamlindoro_:

Am working on a set of scripts to auto-run IMDB query on everything in MythVideo, then take the remaining files and insert episode info from RageTV, then generate and insert accurate length information for all files, then generate thumbnails for all files without posters.

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rushfan:

Anyone in here using a cablecard?

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iamlindoro_:

Can't be done in linux

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iamlindoro_:

Well, unless it's your TiVo running it :)

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AndyCap:

some would say it can't be done then either. :P

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iamlindoro_:

ahah

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iamlindoro_:

ha

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iamlindoro_:

ture, some might :)

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iamlindoro_:

er true

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rushfan:

iamlindoro_: damn :(

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justinh:

what did you expect?

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rushfan:

justinh: that

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rushfan:

I should become some encryption genius and hack the calbe companies encryption on digital cable

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rushfan:

shit, it could probably be done if you took one of those cable cards apart

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justinh:

aye but you couldn't talk about doing that here. especially not in a logged channel

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AndyCap:

wouldn't be any more legal though.

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rushfan:

oh wtf!

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rushfan:

MY backend died again

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rushfan:

god damn you gentoo

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rushfan:

justinh: hell no, but am I that smart?

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rushfan:

No

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rushfan:

--> I meant smart enough to actually hack the cable encryption

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rushfan:

I should just get an IR blaster. heh

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iamlindoro_:

Please assume the escort submission position, the RIAA will be with you shortly

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iamlindoro_:

er MPAA

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rushfan:

iamlindoro_: Probably both

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iamlindoro_:

indeed

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rushfan:

I Cant wait for them to merge and form some... super organization

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rushfan:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page of the general settings.

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rushfan:

wtf

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rushfan:

I never cahnged the setup at all and it worked perfectly fine last night

[22:15:38]

rushfan:

wtf

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rushfan:

iamlindoro_: why would all of my settings getting erased?

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rushfan:

Whats up with that :|

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justinh:

rushfan: ah yes but did the machine's hostname change?

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iamlindoro_:

^^ see justinh's question/also IP

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rushfan:

jesus, the capture guards are gone, everything

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rushfan:

justinh: no, my mythtv-setup page is just erased

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justinh:

mythtv stores most settings by hostname. hostname changes, so does mostly everything

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rushfan:

all of my settings are gone! :O

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rushfan:

Oh

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rushfan:

Yeah

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iamlindoro_:

heh

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rushfan:

my hostname did change somehow...

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justinh:

I'd put money on your hostname having changed

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rushfan:

Ill have to set it back

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rushfan:

It went from tux to localhost

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rushfan:

probably because I changed gentoos baselayout system, which includes the ethernet initialization

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siXy:

maybe it thought tux was a silly name for a perfectly good frontend? ;)

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rushfan:

It doesnt go by domain as well, does it?

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justinh:

no

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rushfan:

right, Ill brb. Now I have to restart the networkin terface

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rushfan:

yay, hd vidoe is back

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rushfan:

and I Got a scholarship today

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rushfan:

loverl

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rushfan:

lovely&

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justinh:

oh dear. pings to my own external IP address are taking more than 500ms

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rushfan:

justinh: heh

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rushfan:

yup, I got a reply after 1.74 seconds

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black_Nightmare_:

dumb question but are all tv tuner cards always a conexant chipset?

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rushfan:

No

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justinh:

black_Nightmare_: nope

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rushfan:

I think they're common though.

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rushfan:

Phillips makes some chipsets

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mzb:

iamlindoro: have a modified version of your script for you to look at

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iamlindoro_:

mzb, I've already rewritten it ;)

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siXy:

mzb: yeah i already re-wrote it once :) although the lack of opertunity to test it meant it didn't actually work

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iamlindoro_:

siXy helped me out with some streamlining and I went back to the drawing board with it

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iamlindoro_:

Although now it's pretty consistent, short, and only one file

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justinh:

much as I hate to say this I think it might be time to start thinking about dumping cable & getting ADSL

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justinh:

used to be great on cable. now it's not

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iamlindoro_:

The key is that it's always done the job, and that's all I care about :)

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rushfan:

justinh: neighbors hogging your bandwith?

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justinh:

nah

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justinh:

shitty cost-cutting Virgin Media

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jduggan:

i never had a problem with virgin cable

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jduggan:

i find it more reliable than dsl

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jduggan:

lord help you if you have a problem with dsl

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jduggan:

:\

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mzb:

iamlindoro: ah well ... maybe this might not make any difference: http://openpaste.org/en/4501/

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siXy:

justinh: Zen internet (although mildly more expensive) have been as solid as a rock for me – the only ISP I have never had a bad word for

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iamlindoro_:

mzb, thanks, I'll absolutely steal from you ;)

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justinh:

dns is getting better at last

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mzb:

;) np

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justinh:

when they're good they're excellent but when VM screw up oh boy

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mzb:

iamlindoro: that method keeps CPU at 100% (pretty much) on my p3–650 ... your old version was a bit slow

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rushfan:

justinh: just run your own DNS

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rushfan:

Thats what I do

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justinh:

I have a DNS cache locally

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justinh:

not doing me much good

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rushfan:

A cache or a server?

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rushfan:

I run a full DNS server on my computer

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mzb:

ah, and just found that it hangs on some files ... I've got a test.img file (prob full of junk) that mplayer is caught on ... so it might be an idea to do a "$ file" on it first for sanity

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rushfan:

Or you could use OpenDNS, but I recommend just running your own. Its pretty easy

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justinh:

dnsmasq IIRC

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justinh:

opendns isn't the best

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rushfan:

dnsmasq?

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rushfan:

justinh: no, so install BIND and change /etc/resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1

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iamlindoro_:

mzb, yeah, if mplayer doesn't like the file, bad things happen

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mzb:

dnsmasq is a caching server ;)

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rushfan:

mzb: oh

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iamlindoro_:

mzb, Still, better than a bunch of zeroes, and only have to use it occasionally hopefully

[22:45:43]

mzb:

yep, true

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jcg42:

Should I use Mythbuntu, Mythdora, KnoppMyth, or something else?

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siXy:

mzb: instead of LENGTH="$[ ( (${TOTAL_SECONDS%.*} * 100) + 3000 ) / 6000 ]", you can just do LENGTH=$(bc -l <<< "scale=0; $TOTAL_SECONDS / 60"). also you can combine the greb and sed into a single command. other than that it loks good

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mzb:

ok thx

[22:47:45]

mzb:

siXy: that bc command is no good .... it doesn't round up

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, needs to be a whole number

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mzb:

yeah, that's fine, but 30 secs == 1 min ;) (that bc command doesn't do that)

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mzb:

and if you use: bc -l <<< "scale=0; ( $TOTAL_SECONDS + 30 ) / 60"

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mzb:

I can't see how you're any better off

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mzb:

(it's still ugly to look at ;)

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bsdfox__:

can anyone help me figure out why mythtv won't install? all the errors are this (but for different sub directories).. ( cd /src/moc && make ) — /bin/sh: line 0: cd: /src/moc: No such file or directory

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bsdfox__:

and I can't find src/moc anywhere

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Yahooadam:

jcg42 – i would reccomend mythbuntu if you want one of those distro's

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siXy:

ah yes i had forgotten about that... time makes things more complex. you can still do it with bc, but it get ugly

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jcg42:

Yahooadam, Are there any other better MythTV distros?

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justinh:

anyway why should i listen to anybody who likes 'The Spirit of Radio' ? ;)

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Chase:

Hi all, I am looking to get hd cable through a firewire-enabled stb

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Chase:

is this possible?

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iamlindoro_:

mzb... Your script works, but on my system, just stops at the end and sits there forever

[22:53:24]

jcg42:

Is it easier to install Mythbuntu then the ubuntu-desktop package or to install the regular Ubuntu and Install Mythbuntu on top of that?

[22:54:22]

mzb:

iamlindoro: ah ... hmm ... actually I've never got to the end to verify that ... oops :)

[22:55:03]

rushfan:

wee my ipod battery is dead

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Yahooadam:

jcg42 – personally, i like ubuntu because it has good support, and its easy to use

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iamlindoro_:

mzb, I *am* going to steal from you (more than) a bit, though

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siXy:

i suspect its hanging whilst trying to remove that fifo, but i cannot test to prove it

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mzb:

yep ... np .... just put my name in so you can blame the bugs on me ;)

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Yahooadam:

i personally used the alternate ubuntu cd and installed the ubuntu-mythtv-frontend package

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iamlindoro_:

mzb, Presumably I still get to put my name on it too ;)

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Yahooadam:

if you dont want to use the mythbuntu cd – there are lots of docs here to help you https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV

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mzb:

iamlindoro: yes ... I meant my name as a contributor ;)

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mzb:

"Marcus Brown"

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siXy:

mzb: why do you use dprint instead of printf?

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iamlindoro_:

mzb, done and done

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anykey_:

Does anyone know if the logos listed at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Logo can be used for a mythtv-related project?

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mzb:

siXy: I could have called it anything ... but often I have a similar function because I do different things with it during dev .... comes in handy

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Yahooadam:

anykey_ – technically, i dont think its copyrighted, so maybe ...

[22:59:03]

iamlindoro_:

mzb, That's clever with the sql commands, gives me a lot of ideas, too. Thanks for the overhaul

[22:59:17]

mzb:

np

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Nik_Doof:

anyone actually got a successful download out of tvgrab_uk_rt since the data has come back up?

[22:59:29]

anykey_:

Yahooadam: Why wouldn't it be copyrighted?

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Yahooadam:

it doesnt say it is ;)

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mzb:

iamlindoro: just be carefull with the eval ... unpleasant to debug ;)

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siXy:

oh i see – having a verbose mode for debugging – thats very good practice – i'm normally too lazy t do that unless its something really quite complex (>300 lines)

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anykey_:

Yahooadam: then it is

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anykey_:

Yahooadam: you don't have to copyright something, it is automatically. You have to say it's NOT...

[23:00:34]

Yahooadam:

that could depend what country your in, but im sure in the UK you have to claim the copyright

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iamlindoro_:

mzb, siXy, am working on it as part of a larger metadata project to auto-run IMDB against all of mythvideo, search all remaining files against RageTV (I keep hundreds of TV files in MythVideo), add lengths for all files, and generate thumbnails where necessary

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anykey_:

Yahooadam: not here in Switzerland.

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justinh_:

anykey_: best ask the powers that be

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mzb:

iamlindoro: ok

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Yahooadam:

that is probably the wisest idea justinh ;)

[23:01:35]

justinh_:

don't bother the SVG mythtv logo though – it's gash

[23:01:48]

siXy:

I would still replace grep "^ID_LENGTH" | sed -e 's%ID_LENGTH=%%' with sed -n '/^ID_LENGTH/p' -e 's%ID_LENGTH=%%' but other than that i would pretty much keep mzb's script as-is

[23:01:53]

justinh_:

there are some high res ones in mythextras in svn

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Yahooadam:

its the same as the "current" logo – just bigger :s

[23:02:06]

justinh_:

nah the svg logo looks shite

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Yahooadam:

looks pretty much the same to me ...

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anykey_:

justinh_: hm ok

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mzb:

iamlindoro: quick correction for EOF: http://openpaste.org/en/4502/

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justinh:

anykey_: thing is, the official logo is associated with the project – that carries a degree of gravitas & reputation. if something less than flatterring became associated with it by common use of the same logo... uh-oh

[23:06:24]

anykey_:

justinh: yeah. Thought about that

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iamlindoro_:

mzb, Yeah, I see... that helps, fixes the problem. Thanks

[23:06:46]

anykey_:

justinh: going another way now, thanks anyway ;)

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Yahooadam:

sounds wise

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** justinh wonders if it's just port80 being slow **

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mzb:

iamlindoro: just tried experiment with "file" to attempt identification ... often comes up with "data" ... which isn't too useful as a file full of zeros does the same ;P

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iamlindoro_:

Heh

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iamlindoro_:

Well, I suppose running it one assumes that the videos are a known good

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justinh:

mzb: fiddling with a video script? ffmpeg -i ftw

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siXy:

yeah file isn't great for video data. I don't think its possible to validate input without having to read so much of the file in the first place you may as well just check the exit status of the main mplayer command and have done

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directhex:

ffmpeg -i is pretty much junk on some video containers, but is okay on avi and mpeg

[23:10:45]

siXy:

actually it should really do that – check the exit status of mplayer that is

[23:10:51]

mzb:

justinh: thanks ... don't have it installed

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Yahooadam:

"UE3 has already been used on a barbie horse riding game"

[23:11:20]

Yahooadam:

lmfao

[23:11:29]

siXy:

yeah ffmpeg is a pretty steep requirement for a small bash program

[23:11:31]

mzb:

siXy: the problem is that sometimes mplayer _doesn't_ return

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siXy:

*ouchie*

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siXy:

not had that happen to me before

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directhex:

Yahooadam, it was the best choice of engine for a game involving plastic action figures

[23:12:23]

justinh:

ouch. 75% packet loss :(

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siXy:

justinh: that would vex me too

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directhex:

the packets have just gone for a wander, that's all

[23:13:06]

justinh:

try a reset of my router

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Nik_Doof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4wd65hemyw

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mzb:

siXy: and it's not consistent, afaict ... just tried it manually on the file it locked on initially and this time it passed (non-video file btw;)

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Nik_Doof:

oops misspaste :)

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minthome:

is there a tool of some sort that I can mass delete a lot of my recordings, besides having to do it one at a time?

[23:14:05]

siXy:

mzb: bleh. thats a pain in the ass

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siXy:

minthome: rm -rf /videos

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siXy:

other than that, no

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minthome:

*sigh*

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Yahooadam:

Nik_Doof – lol

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siXy:

deleting via mythweb is slightly faster

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siXy:

thats about as good as it gets, really

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minthome:

yeah siXy that's what i doing now... Think i'm gonna find the javascript popup and disable it

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Yahooadam:

siXy – thats a bad idea, as the database wouldnt loose the files

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mzb:

unless you write a script ;) ... all depends how many videos you want to delete and how fast you can script ;)

[23:15:48]

Yahooadam:

ooo

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siXy:

Yahooadam: yes i know :)

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Yahooadam:

i have a script

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siXy:

if you want to delete all its easy. if you want to select it gets hard

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justinh:

ffs

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Yahooadam:

minthome – http://pastebin.com/m5d3b3d30

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siXy:

by the time you've programmed some kind of selection ui into your bash program to chose what to delete you may as well have done it by hand

[23:17:22]

Yahooadam:

i think, you need to do ls -l > temp

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Yahooadam:

to get teh file list

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justinh:

if it wasn't punishable by death these days I might try & concoct a way to piggyback on somebody's wireless

[23:17:50]

siXy:

eeep dont do ls -l > file

[23:18:04]

Yahooadam:

i cant remember what i did to get the filelist lol

[23:18:27]

Yahooadam:

basically you need a file with the name of each file in the directory on a new line

[23:18:29]

minthome:

Yahooadam, thanks, but i have to be selective... so that won't work either...

[23:18:48]

Yahooadam:

well, if you delete the files you dont want to delete from the filelist, they wont get removed ;)

[23:19:10]

mzb:

can't you just delete the files and then go to video tools and rescan?

[23:19:13]

justinh:

sounds like a job for a proper plugin

[23:19:52]

Yahooadam:

you can tell my script is well polished, as it still has the debug lines in there :p

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justinh:

heh I wonder how popular a guy would be if they made the 'apple trailers' script into a real plugin

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mzb:

Yahooadam: assumes that all your files are mpg

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Yahooadam:

actually mzb, it doesnt

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Yahooadam:

well i dont think it does anyway ;)

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mzb:

mysql -u$user -p$password -D mythconverg -e "DELETE FROM \`recorded\` WHERE \`basename\`='${line}.mpg'";

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Yahooadam:

i just seem to have printed it that way

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mzb:

^^

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Yahooadam:

oh

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Yahooadam:

yeah but that is removing from the database

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Yahooadam:

the line below, `rm /srv/DataDisk4/Recordings/Recorded/${line}*`

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justinh:

:-O

[23:21:22]

Yahooadam:

will delete all the other files to do with it

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minthome:

like me deleting 77 Family guy episodes, but not deleting good eats.. heh

[23:21:27]

mzb:

yeah, mysql line won't work

[23:21:47]

Yahooadam:

it does, but enlighten me ;)

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justinh:

that script sounds like folly if you ask me

[23:22:01]

mzb:

transcoded files (for a start)

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mzb:

and if you do ls you have the file extension anyway

[23:22:25]

iamlindoro_:

Mwaaaahahahaha! Have plot/director/year info downloading and inserted into MythVideo

[23:22:35]

justinh:

if you do the query right you get the whole filename

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mzb:

so how does it delete delete 2002_222222.mpg.mpg from the db? :)

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Yahooadam:

why would you have .mpg.mpg?

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iamlindoro_:

erm, downloaded for Television series/RageTV, that is

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mzb:

ah ... missed the cut -d.

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siXy:

minthome: somehting like for rec in *.mpg; do title=$(mysql -u$user -p$password -D mythconverg -e "SELECT name FROM recorded WHERE \`basename\`= "$rec;") " echo "do you want to delete ${title}? y/n"; read answer; if [[ "$answer" = "y" ]]; rm "$rec" "${rec%.*}.png"; mysql -u$user -p$password -D mythconverg -e "DELETE FROM recorded WHERE \`basename\`= "$rec;"; done

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mzb:

either way ... you can't discard the file extension

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mzb:

in /recordings I have mpg and nuv

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siXy:

thats untested however, but should more or less work

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minthome:

oh nice siXy

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Yahooadam:

yeah, i noticed the other day i suddenly have .nuv files – whats with that?

[23:24:03]

iamlindoro_:

Some tuner is in framebragger mode

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mzb:

transcoded files

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iamlindoro_:

er framegrabbe

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Yahooadam:

anyway mzb, it worked fine last time i ran it :)

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mzb:

(mpeg with metadata)

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spky:

any perl heads?

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siXy:

minthome: might need to run it twice, once with *.mpg and once with *.nuv if you have both

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justinh:

aha! I know what's up here.. VM's transparent caching :S

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justinh:

spky: try #perl

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spky:

did

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spky:

no help

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minthome:

don't forget the png's :P

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siXy:

the one i typed up there *should* give you a prompt for each one, but test it first as i don't have a copy of the schema to hand so cannot check tablenames, etc

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siXy:

minthome: thats what this does: rm "$rec" "${rec%.*}.png"

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justinh:

maybe consider using the myth protocol to do the delete :P

[23:25:58]

minthome:

oh, i didn't see that

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minthome:

good deal

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siXy:

justinh: yeah but i cannot remember the syntax to do that

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Yahooadam:

lol

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justinh:

use the source :)

[23:27:07]

justinh:

cleaner, too

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

how do you get a list of files, vertically, with no extra info

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Yahooadam:

cos ls -l give rwx and stuff

[23:27:48]

mzb:

find

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siXy:

hmm i'm not fast at reading C source. even when i can

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siXy:

Yahooadam: don't attempt to parse the output of ls in a bash program

[23:28:35]

Yahooadam:

aha

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Yahooadam:

ls -1

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mzb:

$ find !!!

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siXy:

if you *really need* newlines after each one printf "%s\n" *

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Yahooadam:

lol

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siXy:

or if you need recursion use find

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Yahooadam:

whats wrong with parsing ls in bash?

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siXy:

many things. primarily that it is going to cause you pain if you have any files with spaces in their names

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mzb:

why use "-l" ?

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Yahooadam:

ls -1 (one)

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siXy:

and ls doesnt do what you think it does. its not actually there to enumerate files. use globs instead

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mzb:

straight ls works for single dirs

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mzb:

you don't need -1 either

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Yahooadam:

yeah but ls gives then horizontally

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Yahooadam:

nvm lol

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mzb:

not within a script

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Yahooadam:

ls > temp

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Yahooadam:

does work

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justinh:

ah screw this slow interweb thing

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siXy:

(also ls automatically lists vertically if the output is not to a terminal (ie you are piping it, etc))

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justinh:

I'm off to bed

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Yahooadam:

nn justinh

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mzb:

ls | while read filename; do echo "\"$filename\""; done

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siXy:

Yahooadam: echo * > file IS THE SAME AS ls > file and *much* better

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Yahooadam:

i havent used my script for a while, so i had forgotten how to do it

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mzb:

siXy: not if there are too many files

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mzb:

you will exceed the command line length

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siXy:

mzb: doesn't matter – ls won't cope if there are too many files either

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mzb:

*bad practice*

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siXy:

need find for that

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mzb:

don't believe you

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mzb:

ls and find ok

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Yahooadam:

mzb – ls | while read filename; do echo "\"$filename\""; done – wont work for me, because the comptuer the files is on isnt the same as the scripts are on

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siXy:

nope

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mzb:

* on sh is bad

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siXy:

make a few million files and try to ls them

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Miranda:

I'm formatting my new raid array /dev/md0 for XFS, I'm reading that I should set my "stripe unit" so that the data will be aligned with the RAID array.. What should I set my strip unit to?

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siXy:

for (( i=0; i<20000000; i++)); do touch "$i"; done; ls

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siXy:

fail.

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Yahooadam:

basically mzb, i copy the files to my HDD, list them, rename them, delete them

[23:35:06]

Yahooadam:

but its not done on the server

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mzb:

ssh? ;)

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Yahooadam:

but ill have to look into dealing with nuv's

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Yahooadam:

it wasnt an issue when i did it, but it may be now

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xris:

Yahooadam: mythrename.pl?

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Yahooadam:

i did it in the wrong order, and had to make do ;)

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Yahooadam:

anyway, that just makes deleting them _even_ more complex

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xris:

siXy: find -exec, or find -print0 | xargs -r0

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Yahooadam:

because now filenames are somedate_whatever.mpg

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Yahooadam:

arent#

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xris:

Yahooadam: you can rename in whatever format you want... or use --link to just create symlinks... (or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to do)

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siXy:

xris: yes i know. i was demonstrating to mzb that ls is unable to handle large quantites of files

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Yahooadam:

xris, im moving the files to another HDD, so symlinks wont help (i dont think?)

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xris:

Yahooadam: mv doesn't work?

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Yahooadam:

what if somthing went wrong during the file transfer

[23:41:03]

Yahooadam:

anyway, its Linux -> windows over network

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xris:

what do you mean.

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mzb:

so you can mount it as a samba partition and still play, right?

[23:42:02]

mzb:

s/samba/cifs

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xris:

for network stuff, mv basically does a copy, and then deletes the original if the copy succeeds

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Yahooadam:

arg this hurts my head :p

[23:43:18]

Yahooadam:

simply put, my method worked fine last time i did it a month or 2 ago

[23:43:43]

Yahooadam:

can we not leave it at that ;)

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mzb:

siXy: that cmd is still running (will take ages) but I'm prepared to believe you. The point I made is that echo * (or any point of filename expansion) is *more* likely to crash than ls

[23:44:59]

mzb:

ie. you are more likely to run out of command line buffer space, than to hit the limit in ls

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siXy:

mzb: this is true. but you can get enough filenames into the commandline buffer space that the vast speed increase in using globs vs using find means that its still worthwhile, much of the time

[23:48:51]

siXy:

and yes, on ext3 that is going to take forever. sorry!

[23:49:34]

Yahooadam:

seriously, how many recordings am i going to fit in a 500gb drive

[23:49:59]

Yahooadam:

somtimes its easier to solve the problem, then make a program that handles every circumstance it may encounter, even though it never will

[23:50:12]

hashbang:

Yahooadam: UK DVB-T is usually about 1GByte/hour

[23:50:32]

directhex:

hashbang, 2gb for decent channels

[23:50:52]

cafuego:

it's about 2gb/hr in .au as well.

[23:50:53]

xris:

HD is about 9G/hour

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Yahooadam:

re-encoded i get about 1GByte/hr

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Yahooadam:

so thats 500 hours of tv

[23:51:04]

Yahooadam:

so at most, 1k files

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siXy:

Yahooadam: once you get used to the shell, it doesn't take long to write a program to do it

[23:51:18]

Yahooadam:

do i need to care about dealing with millions of files?

[23:51:24]

cafuego:

Yahooadam: no

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siXy:

didn't take me long to write that little one for minthome, for example

[23:51:53]

Yahooadam:

yeah but your used to the shell ;)

[23:52:03]

Yahooadam:

im not, that much

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siXy:

Yahooadam: it comes, in time

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Yahooadam:

anyway, as i have said, my script actually worked, and thats good enough for what i wanted

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cafuego:

Yahooadam: For myth, you should favour a filesystem that efficiently handles large files, as opposed to a large amount of files, I think.

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cafuego:

Yahooadam: I mean, I have a 500-ish Gb disk for myth and end up with 1000–2000 files

[23:55:04]

** hashbang uses jfs for his Myth recordings filesystem, FWIW **

[23:55:09]

hashbang:

xfs also comes recommended

[23:55:18]

Yahooadam:

whats wrong with ext3?

[23:55:19]

** cafuego uses ext3 over NFS **

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hashbang:

Yahooadam: slow deletes

[23:55:26]

cafuego:

Yahooadam: Nothing.

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hashbang:

also, xfs was designed with streaming multimedia in mind.

[23:55:56]

xris:

and is now unsupported by its creators

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hashbang:

xris: heh, well... :-)

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directhex:

avoid jfs!

[23:56:27]

directhex:

it eats files :(

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siXy:

huh? xfs is an ooold FS originally developed by sgi for its irix OS. its getting some love now, as redhat have hired an xfs guy who is doing good stuff on it (i'm told)

[23:56:38]

xris:

directhex: funny, I was going to say that I've heard good things about jfs

[23:56:39]

cafuego:

last time i used xfs it also ate files

[23:56:44]

hashbang:

directhex: never seen that in ~2 years of using jfs for myth

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Yahooadam:

whats wrong with a slow delete?

[23:56:47]

cafuego:

it ate the filesystem, in fact :-)

[23:56:56]

siXy:

jfs2 is a good filesystem. the gnu folks seem pretty poor at implementing it, however

[23:57:02]

hashbang:

directhex: including lots of power failures.

[23:57:03]

xris:

jfs has issues when you run it in combination with lvm and/or software raid (I forget what the specific combo is)

[23:57:05]

Yahooadam:

its not like it stops the HDD, and if im just running a script to delete a load of files, the time doesnt matter that much

[23:57:17]

hashbang:

xris: right, I use jfs on a native partition

[23:57:22]

directhex:

Yahooadam, it consumes cpu time to do deletes on ext3

[23:57:25]

cafuego:

Yahooadam: If you're recording HD at 9G/hr and doing a simultaneous delete of an 18G file you'd want the delete to be quick, or you'll lose data ;-)

[23:57:33]

xris:

Yahooadam: are you deleting all files?

[23:57:34]

directhex:

i've had major file system loss twice on my myth box on jfs

[23:57:42]

hashbang:

directhex: what distro?

[23:57:52]

xris:

I just use ext3 and let the backend handle the deletes on its own

[23:57:52]

directhex:

ubuntu

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Yahooadam:

cafuego – doesnt it continue writing, just slowing the delete futher?

[23:57:58]

hashbang:

directhex: distro kernels?

[23:58:01]

directhex:

yes

[23:58:05]

siXy:

i can imagine jfs having issues on linux lvm, as it was never designed to run on it

[23:58:05]

hashbang:

ouch.

[23:58:06]

cafuego:

Yahooadam: One would hope so

[23:58:19]

directhex:

the only distros which have never eaten my files are reiser3, befs, and xfs

[23:58:19]

cafuego:

Yahooadam: But I really couldn't tell you which way it opimises that

[23:58:33]

directhex:

siXy, this isn't on lvm, it's on a hardware raid volume

[23:58:35]

Yahooadam:

anyway, if it aint broke, dont fix it

[23:58:38]

cafuego:

directhex: those aren't actually distros

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directhex:

bah, file systems

[23:58:47]

directhex:

you know what i meant

[23:58:52]

siXy:

directhex: ah – well must be a dodgy GNU implementation then

[23:58:55]

** cafuego plays innocent **

[23:58:58]

Yahooadam:

trouble with mythtv is you never get the time to mess with the box, as its nearly allways recording/streaming

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Yahooadam:

atleast for me it is

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siXy:

as its absolutely rock-solid on aix

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directhex:

siXy, xfs is solid on linux, since that's what large expensive sgi boxes run ;)

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cafuego:

Nothing worth recording on tv here in between 3pm and midnight

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cafuego:

Eh, mindnight and 3pm :-)

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