| Tuesday, January 1st, 2008, 00:04 UTC | ||
| [00:04:27] | fryfrog: | i'm about to softmod my friends old xbox |
| [00:04:48] | fryfrog: | i have a usb flash drive that i used my chipped xbox to copy a save too, just waiting for splinter cell to arrive |
| [00:06:46] | darkfrog: | iamlindoro__, no way to do it automatically? |
| [00:07:00] | iamlindoro__: | you can script it into a user job |
| [00:08:04] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing . . . _commercials |
| [00:09:14] | iamlindoro__: | Read the linked script, and just as importantly, the discussion page for the linked script |
| [00:18:14] | fryfrog: | darkfrog: the problem with "automatically" is that the commflagging isn't 100%. There many times when it gets things wrong. |
| [00:18:23] | fryfrog: | For me, L&O is pretty bad for it |
| [00:18:43] | fryfrog: | i just have the OSD notify me 1sec before commercial, if it is wrong... i ignore it, if not, just a button press and i'm skipping it |
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| [00:21:59] | darkfrog: | awesome, that's what I needed. :) How do I run a User Job for recordings that have already been done? |
| [00:23:22] | sid: | Is it possible to play H.264/XViD video codec files, off a mini-itx box, that is 1ghz? |
| [00:25:10] | directhex: | sid, HD? |
| [00:25:38] | directhex: | sid, firstly, h264 and xvid are two entirely different codecs – h264 requires about three times the CPU power of xvid, for one thing |
| [00:26:03] | sid: | ahh, I see |
| [00:26:21] | directhex: | sid, secondly, via cpu? pretty hairy for SD, less than a billionth of a fraction of 0% of it working with HD |
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| [00:26:27] | roothorick: | I need some hints here |
| [00:26:28] | sid: | I was confused. xvid/h.264 are part of mpeg-4 standard, so I must have jumbled them in my mind |
| [00:26:31] | roothorick: | TWC claims the ports on the box are in fact functional |
| [00:26:42] | sid: | directhex: hmm, I see |
| [00:26:45] | roothorick: | and that the "disabled" on the copy protection screen means it's not encrypting the signal |
| [00:26:56] | sid: | I don't know what to do with this via box, heh. |
| [00:26:58] | roothorick: | however, I STILL can't get it to talk to my PC |
| [00:27:03] | sid: | maybe I'll make it an asterisk box than |
| [00:27:06] | directhex: | roothorick, what box? |
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| [00:27:15] | roothorick: | directhex: SciAl 4250HDC |
| [00:27:38] | directhex: | roothorick, capture ought to work, but channel changing won't |
| [00:27:49] | roothorick: | directhex: I can't get jack over capture |
| [00:28:10] | roothorick: | I'm using an arse old firewire card, would something newer have an effect? |
| [00:28:34] | roothorick: | if push comes to shove there's always my laptop |
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| [00:28:41] | mchou: | roothorick: doubtful |
| [00:28:46] | directhex: | shouldn't make a difference |
| [00:29:04] | mchou: | I doubt it's an issue w/your "old" HW |
| [00:29:06] | roothorick: | test-mpeg2 never outputs anything, firewire_tester always says "failed" |
| [00:29:10] | directhex: | firewire is firewire is firewire. one driver for everything, ought to work |
| [00:29:47] | mchou: | roothorick: make sure the firewire out is actually enabled on the set top |
| [00:30:07] | mchou: | roothorick: go to the setup diagnosis screen |
| [00:30:21] | roothorick: | mchou: TW claims it is. Hold on, let me switch to my laptop |
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| [00:38:31] | sid: | directhex: What about using it as a front end, and using my fast desktop as the backend? |
| [00:38:39] | sid: | the via/mini-itx box as a front end that is |
| [00:38:47] | ** J-e-f-f-A-2 cheers — his Myth box is quiet again... Had to open the box and fix the fan on the video card. ** | |
| [00:38:59] | fryfrog: | sid: you need the faster box for the FE |
| [00:39:06] | sid: | fryfrog: FE? |
| [00:39:10] | fryfrog: | sid: BE, CPU makes far less difference |
| [00:39:13] | fryfrog: | FrontEnd |
| [00:39:15] | fryfrog: | BackEnd |
| [00:39:15] | directhex: | sid, to what end? video decoding takes effort, not capture. unless you use a garbage capture card |
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| [00:39:55] | roothorick: | so sorry about that |
| [00:40:04] | roothorick: | my server rebooted but didn't quite come bacak cleaanly |
| [00:40:13] | roothorick: | now where were we? |
| [00:40:57] | roothorick: | checking via service menu if firewire is enabled, right? |
| [00:41:06] | sid: | directhex: Someone is telling me they had a front-end laptop, that was 1ghz and it worked fine |
| [00:41:10] | roothorick: | i know how to get there but what specifically am I looking for? |
| [00:41:11] | sid: | Is that possible? |
| [00:41:16] | anenigma: | argh. damn myth is green screening again when I try to watch stuff |
| [00:41:43] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | sid: Yes, that's possible, but only for Standard-Definition realistically. |
| [00:42:54] | directhex: | sid, possible, for SD, yes. especially if it's a real cpu rather than a via |
| [00:43:37] | sid: | directhex: VIA isn't a real CPU? |
| [00:43:39] | sid: | and it's via I believe |
| [00:43:39] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | sid: I did have a PIII 1GHZ processor desktop system that *barely* played 720p MPEG2, with the help of nvidia XVMC. |
| [00:43:47] | anenigma: | ooh. newer nvidia drivers playing up apparently. time to revert a few revisions |
| [00:43:54] | directhex: | sid, the instructions per clock are about half that of a pentium three |
| [00:44:32] | sid: | http://rafb.net/p/uZjxfD86.html |
| [00:44:34] | sid: | That is the CPU |
| [00:45:17] | directhex: | sid, you'll play SD mpeg2 with xvmc. assuming a relatively well-stripped distribution |
| [00:45:28] | mzb: | my p3–650 works well as my main FE ... but overclocked to ~800 for a bit of headroom (also has xvmc) |
| [00:45:50] | fryfrog: | mzb: for SD? |
| [00:45:54] | mzb: | yes |
| [00:45:56] | directhex: | mzb, so that's already 25% better than a 1ghz c3, before you overclock |
| [00:45:57] | fryfrog: | ah, nice |
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| [00:46:07] | fryfrog: | lowest I've used is an athlon xp 1600+ |
| [00:46:07] | mzb: | heh |
| [00:46:14] | mzb: | yep, mpeg2 (dvb-t) |
| [00:46:15] | fryfrog: | but it was my BE, w/ 4x pvr250s |
| [00:46:22] | mzb: | nice |
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| [00:47:16] | fryfrog: | now my FE is 4600+ X2 and BE is Dual Xeon 2.4ghz |
| [00:47:26] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | My old backend system was a Dual PIII 866, with just 512mb ram. a PVR-500, PVR-250 and HD-3000. ;-) |
| [00:47:42] | fryfrog: | If I get a job in Palo Alto, I'll probably make my BE into a BE/FE and just have one system |
| [00:47:55] | fryfrog: | BE don't take much :) |
| [00:48:24] | mchou: | fryfrog: you live in palo alto? |
| [00:48:54] | fryfrog: | no, but in 2 weeks i interview for a job there! |
| [00:49:01] | fryfrog: | (now lives in Atlanta) |
| [00:49:16] | mchou: | which company? |
| [00:49:21] | mchou: | in PA? |
| [00:49:28] | fryfrog: | I'm not sure if you'll recognize it... |
| [00:49:31] | fryfrog: | Facebook? |
| [00:49:31] | fryfrog: | :) |
| [00:49:39] | mchou: | sigh.... |
| [00:49:54] | dserban: | anyone know of a cpu/case combo that I can use as a front-end that would mount to the vesa holes on my lcd? |
| [00:50:01] | mchou: | facebook? google hasnt taken them over? :) |
| [00:50:11] | directhex: | my BE/FE is a pentium-d of some kind. i forget the cpu details |
| [00:50:14] | fryfrog: | seriouslah, maybe after i go there they will :) |
| [00:50:18] | dserban: | I saw it in a video some time ago... not sure what brand/spec/make/model... |
| [00:50:20] | directhex: | everything except the cpu is server-class |
| [00:50:28] | directhex: | dserban, never seen such a thing |
| [00:50:41] | directhex: | dserban, except a mac mini sat in the empty space between screen & mount |
| [00:50:46] | mchou: | fryfrog: I doubt google will make a play for facebook |
| [00:50:47] | dserban: | directhex, no? meh... it almost feels like I was dreaming. |
| [00:51:02] | fryfrog: | what are vesa holes? |
| [00:51:12] | fryfrog: | mchou: yeah, i was making sarcasm :) |
| [00:51:17] | directhex: | fryfrog, standard mounting holes, for attaching screens to walls |
| [00:51:32] | fryfrog: | mchou: that said, i wouldn't mind :) |
| [00:51:33] | directhex: | fryfrog, vesa 75 has holes in a 75mm square, vesa 100 you can work out |
| [00:51:50] | dserban: | directhex, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=21760 . . . 29&hl=en about 3/4's of the way through.... a box that mounts on the back of his lcd... |
| [00:51:52] | fryfrog: | zounds! |
| [00:51:56] | fryfrog: | i've never heard of that! |
| [00:52:13] | directhex: | http://www.vesamount.co.uk/ |
| [00:52:47] | dserban: | either that, or what's the slimmest box i can put together with say... a core duo? |
| [00:52:47] | directhex: | fryfrog, vesa mounts are how we have http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/g . . . oto-0010.jpg working |
| [00:52:55] | directhex: | dserban, mac mini |
| [00:53:20] | mchou: | fryfrog: gook luck anyways |
| [00:53:44] | directhex: | dserban, or if you want to spend more, aopen's clone. beyond that, there's a jump in size |
| [00:53:59] | fryfrog: | AH! |
| [00:54:20] | fryfrog: | i was just talking about how the heck we get our LCDs to mount to these custom panel things. I guess they really are standardized |
| [00:54:50] | fryfrog: | mchou: Thanks, it isn't anything special position (sys admin basically), but it would be really nice for me and my wife to get to move someplace awesom e:) |
| [00:55:04] | fryfrog: | mchou: actually, it'd probably be a monetary downgrade when it is all said and done :( |
| [00:55:34] | mchou: | fryfrog: you wont be able to afford PA on ATL money. |
| [00:55:42] | fryfrog: | mchou: fark no :) |
| [00:55:57] | fryfrog: | mchou: the internets says cost of living, +100% |
| [00:56:01] | fryfrog: | and salary +20% |
| [00:56:13] | mchou: | fryfrog: you be living in someone's outhouse :) |
| [00:56:16] | directhex: | one of these days i should plan my next career move |
| [00:56:21] | fryfrog: | so 70k in PA is 58k in ATL (what I make), and I've done some researches |
| [00:56:28] | fryfrog: | 70k wouldn't cut it :) |
| [00:56:55] | fryfrog: | Their "range" is 70–90k, if they did 90k, I could do it... it'd still suck, but less suck once i sell my house |
| [00:56:57] | directhex: | 58k US? that's less than i make |
| [00:57:03] | directhex: | though i AM an international sexpot |
| [00:57:06] | fryfrog: | i never claimed to make much :) |
| [00:57:13] | directhex: | 70's not much in an expensive city |
| [00:57:19] | fryfrog: | no, it sure as shit isn't |
| [00:57:24] | fryfrog: | 90k is better though |
| [00:57:27] | directhex: | lord knows i'd not think about a london job without a 50% jump in pay |
| [00:57:47] | fryfrog: | i was reading about apartments in japan the other day |
| [00:57:56] | fryfrog: | aparantly, you need about 6 months of rent to get one :/ |
| [00:57:58] | mchou: | directhex: come here w/your london money. you'd be rich :) |
| [00:58:01] | directhex: | i need room for my sixteen games consoles! :o |
| [00:58:01] | fryfrog: | it is weird |
| [00:58:31] | fryfrog: | 2 months for fist/last month rent, 1 month for deposit, 1 month to realtor... and 2 months straight up paid to the apartment complex owner that you odn't get back ever |
| [00:58:34] | fryfrog: | wow |
| [00:58:46] | dserban: | directhex, do you have a link or name for aopen's version? |
| [00:59:01] | mchou: | fryfrog: 1 month to realtor??? |
| [00:59:07] | mchou: | wtf is that for? |
| [00:59:16] | directhex: | it's more expensive AND ugly |
| [00:59:19] | fryfrog: | aparantly you can't get an apartment w/o a realtor |
| [00:59:22] | fryfrog: | *to rent* |
| [00:59:27] | directhex: | http://global.aopen.com/products_detail.aspx?Auno=2635 |
| [00:59:29] | mchou: | fryfrog: where? |
| [00:59:33] | fryfrog: | or, maybe it isn't excactly called a "realtor" but... same idea |
| [00:59:36] | mchou: | fryfrog: in PA? |
| [00:59:37] | fryfrog: | Japan, i forget which city |
| [00:59:39] | fryfrog: | no no |
| [00:59:46] | mchou: | fryfrog: ok |
| [00:59:49] | fryfrog: | christ, i couldn't do that if PA were that way :) |
| [00:59:57] | directhex: | i'd move wherever private industry would pay me for my unique skill set |
| [00:59:59] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | Or if you want an Amiga1200 like PC system... http://www.cybernetman.com/default.cfm?DocId=602 |
| [01:00:00] | fryfrog: | I figure rent will be 2k+ |
| [01:00:10] | fryfrog: | but! |
| [01:00:20] | fryfrog: | facebook gives $600/mo if you live w/in 1mi of office |
| [01:00:30] | mchou: | fryfrog: lol |
| [01:00:39] | fryfrog: | yeah, nice gimic eh? :) |
| [01:00:44] | mchou: | trust me, they'd have to do better than that |
| [01:00:48] | fryfrog: | "hey, we need you to come in... you are so close!" |
| [01:00:59] | fryfrog: | not sure what you mean? |
| [01:01:00] | directhex: | i'll shoot for about £40k next time, for non-london |
| [01:01:02] | directhex: | plus perks |
| [01:01:25] | mchou: | fryfrog: they need to do better than $600/mo |
| [01:01:33] | fryfrog: | why? |
| [01:01:40] | fryfrog: | I mean, this is like... they pay you 90k/yr |
| [01:01:49] | mchou: | lol |
| [01:01:52] | fryfrog: | then... if you happen to live 1mi away, you get 600 more a month for rent |
| [01:02:02] | mchou: | 90K in PA aint nothing |
| [01:02:12] | fryfrog: | it isn't supposed to *cover* the entire rent or anything |
| [01:02:23] | directhex: | actually, bugger this, i'm in the middle of buying a house. i should worry about that first |
| [01:02:29] | fryfrog: | no, but i'm also not trying to buy a big ass house or anything |
| [01:02:31] | Tanthrix: | fryfrog: Sounds like an awesome deal to me. |
| [01:02:37] | fryfrog: | i'm happy with a 2 room apartment :) |
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| [01:02:54] | directhex: | property is expensive |
| [01:02:58] | fryfrog: | yeah :( |
| [01:03:04] | directhex: | though i understand the US market is in the middle of imploding messily |
| [01:03:07] | fryfrog: | well, in some places :) |
| [01:03:14] | directhex: | which is fun for everyone except home owners |
| [01:03:17] | fryfrog: | directhex: yeah, which is why moving means suck for me :( |
| [01:03:33] | fryfrog: | i have a house which i am sure won't sell for 1–2 years :( |
| [01:03:35] | roothorick: | well, I need help with my cable box |
| [01:03:38] | roothorick: | anyone? |
| [01:03:39] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | Not here... I live near Boston – paid $161k for my house 9 years ago. It's work nearly $300k now... |
| [01:03:44] | mchou: | fryfrog: you live in a good neighborhood in ATL? |
| [01:03:45] | fryfrog: | no way, jibber jabbering! |
| [01:03:49] | roothorick: | mchou: there you are |
| [01:04:02] | fryfrog: | mchou: depends on what you mean, it isn't a "bad" area |
| [01:04:08] | fryfrog: | but it isn't the rich area of Atlanta |
| [01:04:14] | directhex: | buying a 2-bedroom flat for £167k |
| [01:04:16] | fryfrog: | (I only make 58k/yr, remember?) :) |
| [01:04:23] | directhex: | which would be about $320k US |
| [01:04:31] | mchou: | fryfrog: I dunno going rates in ATL |
| [01:04:35] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [01:04:36] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | mchou: btw — not sure if you saw my message — it wasn't the power supply, it was the video card — which I hadn't realized had a fan on it. |
| [01:04:44] | directhex: | $335, even. i keep forgetting how worthless the dollar is |
| [01:04:47] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A-2: yup |
| [01:05:14] | roothorick: | well crap |
| [01:05:20] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | mchou: I disassembled it, cleaned it up, lubed it up, and it's working quite niclely and quite now... We'll see how long it lasts... I don't have a spare PCI-e card, or I'd swap it out... |
| [01:05:22] | mchou: | $335K gets you an outhouse in Silicon Valley |
| [01:05:23] | roothorick: | the home theater is busy |
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| [01:05:27] | roothorick: | the box will have to wait |
| [01:05:44] | fryfrog: | I wouldn't even *consider* buying a house in CA |
| [01:05:45] | mchou: | complete with the loo and poop |
| [01:05:53] | fryfrog: | no way I'd ever be able to afford it :) |
| [01:06:18] | fryfrog: | but if I never start at the bottom, I'll also never climb up the ol' ladder either |
| [01:06:45] | fryfrog: | and the wife and i want to get out of Atlanta. the 3–5 year plan was NYC, but CA isn't bad... and even cheaper than NYC :p |
| [01:06:55] | fryfrog: | NYC was +200% cost of living |
| [01:07:16] | directhex: | it'd cost me £235 to buy the place i'm renting right now :( |
| [01:07:18] | mchou: | fryfrog: I'd divorce the wife for NYC |
| [01:07:26] | fryfrog: | mchou: ahahah |
| [01:07:30] | directhex: | actually, that's a few months old, that estimate. more now |
| [01:07:35] | fryfrog: | directhex: yuck :( |
| [01:07:38] | directhex: | mchou, and if she also earns money? |
| [01:07:43] | mchou: | fryfrog: more good looking chicks than you can shake a stick at :) |
| [01:07:58] | fryfrog: | mchou: holey shit, all the asian people went to CA :p |
| [01:07:58] | mchou: | directhex: models earn more :) |
| [01:08:01] | fryfrog: | chicks, dudes, etc |
| [01:08:04] | directhex: | fryfrog, mortgage for the 2 bed place, which is much more expensive for COL (e.g. more expensive travel arrangements) is £1050 |
| [01:08:13] | directhex: | fryfrog, whereas i pay £725 for rent right now |
| [01:08:26] | fryfrog: | we visited google campus in Mountain View... I always wondered where all the straight A students in HS/College went... they went to Google :) |
| [01:08:51] | directhex: | google can hire whomever they want. they carpet bomb every vaguely clever looking email address they see |
| [01:08:59] | fryfrog: | ahha |
| [01:09:00] | directhex: | i've got a google recruitment mail around here somewhere |
| [01:09:13] | fryfrog: | their campus is retar-awesome-sauce |
| [01:09:17] | fryfrog: | brb, nuking some meatloaf |
| [01:09:25] | directhex: | what the hell IS meatloaf? |
| [01:09:34] | fryfrog: | oh yeah, other benefit at facebook (and google, prolly all other silicon vally places) free food! |
| [01:09:38] | mchou: | fryfrog: that used to be the SGI campus |
| [01:09:38] | directhex: | is it like fruitcake cheddar? that stuff's awesome |
| [01:09:45] | fryfrog: | its like a hamburger with egg and stuff |
| [01:09:58] | fryfrog: | mchou: thats what bharat told us :) |
| [01:10:00] | directhex: | mchou, thank fuck sgi sold it. they were paying more in mortgage payments than they were charging google |
| [01:10:10] | dserban: | hmmmmm that aopen thing's unavailable to me... i don't like the white of the mac mini :(... so meh.. I guess I'll have to look at silverstone cases |
| [01:10:18] | dserban: | directhex, did you watch that video? |
| [01:10:29] | directhex: | dserban, beware silverstone cases. for they are subtle, and quick to anger |
| [01:10:31] | directhex: | dserban, no |
| [01:10:45] | directhex: | i'm watching jools holland's annula hootenanny |
| [01:10:54] | mchou: | why get a case at all |
| [01:11:05] | dserban: | directhex, you're watching what? |
| [01:11:13] | directhex: | yeah, go for art! staple components to a wall! |
| [01:11:13] | dserban: | silverstone = no good? |
| [01:11:21] | dserban: | lol |
| [01:11:24] | directhex: | dserban, i've had issues with glaring design flaws |
| [01:11:48] | dserban: | i want to just make a simple box that I can deploy througout the house |
| [01:11:55] | directhex: | dserban, they're beautifully machined, but the designers seem to forget to, y'know, test the designs |
| [01:12:09] | mchou: | hide these anywhere: http://www.svc.com/techstation-case.html |
| [01:12:30] | mchou: | open access, great airflow |
| [01:12:51] | mchou: | great for passive cooling too :) |
| [01:12:56] | directhex: | dserban, if you have the cash, then you can go core2 on mini-itx form factor |
| [01:13:02] | directhex: | dserban, which opens your options |
| [01:13:52] | directhex: | how about that flat shuttle box? let me find a link |
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| [01:14:42] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | mchou: Who needs one of those... I've got a wood desk... ;-) |
| [01:15:01] | dserban: | mchou, heh... icky... |
| [01:15:10] | fryfrog: | how cow, that is awesome! |
| [01:15:42] | dserban: | gotta be sexy... I'm thinking of deploying them in "suites" ie. resort condos as an added bonus... so they have to look somewhat presentable |
| [01:16:04] | mchou: | what??? |
| [01:16:16] | mchou: | there is no need to be sexy |
| [01:16:33] | mchou: | put it in any box you like |
| [01:16:40] | mchou: | sexy or not |
| [01:16:40] | directhex: | dserban, shuttle X-series |
| [01:17:04] | directhex: | http://eu.shuttle.com/en/desktopdefault.aspx/ . . . _read-14174/ |
| [01:18:12] | mchou: | I never understand why ppl want small cases that have zip airflow |
| [01:18:33] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | dserban: come to think of it, there's also the Acer Aspire L100 series... They're tiny, but not very expandable. I've got the UD360A that I was setting up as a HD frontend. (put on hold for a little while) |
| [01:18:47] | mchou: | not to mention they never are machined correctly |
| [01:19:08] | dserban: | mchou, i'm trying to make say 80 of these... |
| [01:19:24] | mchou: | dserban: so? |
| [01:19:35] | dserban: | directhex, thanks for the link those _do_ look nice... except they recommend vista ;) |
| [01:19:36] | fryfrog: | there is nothing wrong with a good looking case |
| [01:19:57] | dserban: | mchou, therefore it's an appliance, ie. the people using them should have no need to worry about it... or seeing its guts |
| [01:19:59] | mchou: | fryfrog: only if it's engineered right |
| [01:20:19] | fryfrog: | i'd agree with that, mostly |
| [01:20:21] | mchou: | dserban_: you want appliance dont use a PC |
| [01:20:22] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | I never liked the look of those cases... Looks like an cd duplicator... ;-) |
| [01:20:34] | mchou: | dserban_: think set top box |
| [01:20:41] | directhex: | dserban, they sell preconfigured machines. pc vendors get a discount in exchange for using those words |
| [01:20:47] | fryfrog: | get a htpc case? |
| [01:20:58] | mchou: | dserban_: and I mean engineered like a set top box |
| [01:21:01] | AndyCap: | directhex: they actually get a discount, or just less strongarming from MS? |
| [01:21:03] | directhex: | fryfrog, "htpc case" always seems to mean full-atx windows-mce-centric monster |
| [01:21:12] | fryfrog: | oh :( |
| [01:21:14] | directhex: | AndyCap, what's the difference? |
| [01:21:26] | AndyCap: | directhex: a lawsuit. :P |
| [01:21:40] | AndyCap: | If only these were beefier. http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/embedded/vm7700/ |
| [01:21:48] | mchou: | dserban_: that rules out a ATX type PSU right there |
| [01:22:06] | AndyCap: | but the fiire people use them for sd frontends |
| [01:23:01] | AndyCap: | http://pics.fiire.com/images/full_fiire_station.jpg (btw, are they evil or not?) |
| [01:23:24] | directhex: | i think that's what dserban wanted, actually |
| [01:23:27] | directhex: | helluva slow, though |
| [01:23:48] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | dserban: This is a nice *looking* case, not sure how it rates for what will fit in it though... Looks like uATX... |
| [01:23:50] | AndyCap: | yeah, not the greates specs on them. :/ |
| [01:24:15] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | oops, here's the link: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_cont . . . 04&area= |
| [01:24:30] | mchou: | look at the pics here: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071223132431291 |
| [01:24:42] | Daviey: | http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=53 <-- looks nice |
| [01:24:48] | mchou: | now that's a cool appliance |
| [01:25:19] | directhex: | Daviey, looks like an aopen to me |
| [01:25:20] | Daviey: | good graphics aswell |
| [01:25:20] | mchou: | need to scroll down the page to see pics |
| [01:26:02] | mchou: | every single one of those acts as a wifi brige |
| [01:26:08] | mchou: | bridge* |
| [01:26:35] | mchou: | so collectively they make the network |
| [01:26:36] | directhex: | what's with all the damned amd chips in system76's "performance" range? |
| [01:26:55] | Daviey: | mind you, the mac mini is probably sleaker |
| [01:27:06] | jamesd_: | amd's rock and have better IO majorily important for media... |
| [01:27:27] | directhex: | Dave123, yes, it is! |
| [01:27:31] | mchou: | Daviey: mac mini dont have enough juice |
| [01:27:47] | mchou: | at least not for myth HD |
| [01:27:51] | directhex: | jamesd_, "better IO"? they have better memory bandwidth, which isn't really very neccessary for this kind of job |
| [01:27:56] | directhex: | mchou, what are they short on? |
| [01:27:57] | Daviey: | HD is overated :) |
| [01:28:11] | jamesd_: | i would prefer if someone hacked a think dvd player and ran a cable to a standard tower.... we only need the dvd to play movies.. the rest of the time i don't need to see a the media pc... |
| [01:28:22] | mchou: | Daviey: it isnt when there will be no SD this year :) |
| [01:28:33] | directhex: | mchou, s/SD/analog/ |
| [01:28:41] | mchou: | 2008 |
| [01:28:49] | dserban: | wow lots of options... thanks guys |
| [01:28:51] | jamesd_: | directhex, that is what i meant by IO... and if the media pc is going to serve more than just one stream.. the amd is a better choice and cheaper |
| [01:29:01] | directhex: | mchou, and what are mac minis short on? 2ghz core2 strikes me as pretty high end |
| [01:29:10] | mchou: | directhex: lol |
| [01:29:28] | mchou: | directhex: you're the "expert" on procs :) |
| [01:29:32] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | SD... Not necessarily — Broadcasters are required to be broadcasting digital signals by 2008, but are not required to stop broadcasting analog. |
| [01:29:39] | mchou: | directhex: figure it out |
| [01:29:45] | directhex: | mchou, which is why i think your "not enough juice" statement is bunk |
| [01:30:00] | mchou: | directhex: go ahead and buy one then |
| [01:30:11] | directhex: | mchou, playing the single-core race is pissing up a wall, and any core2 is fast enough with a threaded decoder for HD h264, and easily HD mpeg2 |
| [01:30:18] | mchou: | put you $$ where you mouth is |
| [01:30:24] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | Much like the cell phone industry switched to Digital, but Analog is still around... Although they're only required to support it thru the end of January, then they can drop it if they so desire... |
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| [01:30:30] | mchou: | directhex: haha!! |
| [01:30:35] | directhex: | mchou, a mac mini is on my shopping list for my myth setup. actually, two are |
| [01:30:47] | mchou: | directhex: you're joking, right?? |
| [01:31:00] | fryfrog: | why the heck wouldn't a mac mini work? |
| [01:31:09] | fryfrog: | they are perfectly fine, if not a little expensiv |
| [01:31:13] | directhex: | fryfrog, mchouland is generally quite different to reality |
| [01:31:18] | mchou: | cause it doesnt have enough juice to decode HD |
| [01:31:23] | directhex: | fryfrog, just don't expect a rational explanation from him |
| [01:31:28] | xris: | not in linux, anyway... |
| [01:31:37] | jamesd_: | why would you want to pay for a mac to do a job where the OS doens't add anything... |
| [01:31:39] | Daviey: | t |
| [01:31:52] | mchou: | well well, another voice of experience |
| [01:31:52] | fryfrog: | jamesd_: mac-mini is tiny, nice looking. |
| [01:31:55] | directhex: | jamesd_, find a machine the size and power of a mac mini for less cash |
| [01:32:07] | xris: | mchou's sort of right... there's something up with the linux ATI driver for it that you can't get enough power out of the video card to display HD |
| [01:32:16] | directhex: | xris, mac minis don't use ati |
| [01:32:20] | directhex: | xris, haven't for ages |
| [01:32:30] | jamesd_: | directhex, why does size matter if i can just stick it behind the tv, and put a remote sensor on the shelf... |
| [01:32:38] | xris: | well, it also doesn't stop you from just running mythfrontend in osx. |
| [01:32:50] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | How about the Acer Aspire L100 I mentioned before... It's a little bigger than the mac mini, has a dual-core processor and Nvidia graphics... |
| [01:33:10] | directhex: | plasticky :( |
| [01:33:21] | directhex: | and slower than the mac |
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| [01:34:22] | Daviey: | hmm, my nipple just fell off |
| [01:34:28] | directhex: | fryfrog, note how no actual reasoning has materialised on the "2ghz core2 is slow and crap if it's in a mac mini" argument |
| [01:34:34] | mzb: | you're all nuts :) ... mount whatever it is under the floor :)) |
| [01:34:39] | directhex: | Daviey, try superglue |
| [01:34:48] | directhex: | jamesd_, optical drive access? |
| [01:34:57] | directhex: | jamesd_, and, critically, WAF? |
| [01:35:02] | xris: | I just have a big very-quiet media chassis that matches my AV receiver |
| [01:35:15] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | jamesd_, directhex: How about a USB 2.0 dvd drive? |
| [01:35:31] | iamlindoro__: | xris: likewise. Well, silver vs. black but at least it *looks* like a component |
| [01:35:45] | fryfrog: | directhex: i think it would work, but obviously have no idea w/o owning one. I could see it not working though, but just barely. |
| [01:36:32] | fxr_: | hi does anyone know if their was any update on the xmltv data for the uk.. the emails went dead.. i dunno if my spam folder caught any.. and i dont want to annoy the kist with an annoying repeated question.. |
| [01:36:33] | directhex: | fryfrog, i've used core2 chips both sides of the 2ghz mark. there's no reason it wouldn't work, assuming a bleeding edge thread-happy libavcodec |
| [01:36:37] | jamesd_: | J-e-f-f-A-2, exaclty or hack a home dvd player.. to hold a remote sensor and a dvd drive... and a lot cheaper.. the main pc can hold 2TB of storage and enough power to process all the media for the house. |
| [01:36:42] | xris: | iamlindoro__: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129030 |
| [01:36:54] | xris: | lcd works with myth, too, with a little hackery |
| [01:37:02] | iamlindoro__: | xris: I set my parents up with that exact case |
| [01:37:25] | iamlindoro__: | xris: mine is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . n%2bhd%2b160 |
| [01:37:41] | iamlindoro__: | Which required even more lirc/lcdproc hackery, but works as well :) |
| [01:38:18] | xris: | nice |
| [01:38:20] | fryfrog: | wow, that is *nice* and really expensive! |
| [01:38:26] | directhex: | huge :( |
| [01:38:40] | directhex: | i used to have a system like that, but i'm done with combined BE/FE systems |
| [01:38:41] | xris: | all of my lcdproc hackery resulted in my wife deciding that the best thing I could do was keep the lcd *off*.... |
| [01:38:43] | iamlindoro__: | it's big for sure... but it goes well in context, with the receiver etc |
| [01:39:00] | directhex: | i have my fat-assed server, and when i have the cash, i'll get a mini for the living room and a mini for the bedroom |
| [01:39:13] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | xris: I like the way that case looks except for the exposed ports on the front. I'd prefer them to be behind a flip-down cover... |
| [01:39:21] | jamesd_: | my case... sits behind the tv cabinet for access to the occausional dvd... |
| [01:39:22] | jamesd_: | http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811147041 |
| [01:39:22] | directhex: | mostly, i'm short on space. lots and lots of games consoles! |
| [01:39:23] | iamlindoro__: | xris: You know what I noticed about that ir receiver in the Antec? I had to irrecord everything again because it interpreted everything differently. Similar experience? |
| [01:39:33] | Daviey: | combined fe/be is for noobs |
| [01:39:34] | Daviey: | :) |
| [01:40:18] | iamlindoro__: | directhex: I have set up a myth front/backend on a recent mini (Intel graphics, core 2). Worked very well, and with HD... although I only ran up to Mpeg-2 1080i and x.264 720p, I have to cop to not having tried 1080p x.264 |
| [01:40:38] | xris: | iamlindoro__: never hooked it up. I have mceusb2 that works fine.. (and I don't use it, anyway) |
| [01:40:39] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, don't let mchou hear you! |
| [01:40:43] | xris: | afk, food prep time. |
| [01:41:02] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, nobody's broadcasting 1080p, and the BW requirements for 720p and 1080i are the same |
| [01:41:13] | iamlindoro__: | xris: Ultimately I just put their Snapstream USB back on and used their old lircd.conf |
| [01:41:16] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, if it could deinterlace 1080i, it's pretty damn kickass! |
| [01:41:35] | iamlindoro__: | directhex: I know that, just saying that I can't speak from experience re 1080p x.264 (downloaded content or otherwise) |
| [01:41:49] | iamlindoro__: | but everything else worked admirably, and out of the box |
| [01:41:59] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, well, don't worry, your reality (which matches my estimates) is still wrong. all hail mchouality! |
| [01:44:19] | jamesd_: | does anyone here have the kworld atsc 115 card? its what i ordered for my mythtv box. |
| [01:44:38] | iamlindoro__: | jamesd_: Yes, I have one |
| [01:44:56] | iamlindoro__: | jamesd_: Works very well, just one little thing where you have to set card=something or another in aliases |
| [01:45:03] | jamesd_: | cool |
| [01:45:04] | iamlindoro__: | so that it detects as a 110 |
| [01:45:12] | iamlindoro__: | I followed the wiki, had it up in 10 mins or so |
| [01:45:35] | jamesd_: | iamlindoro__, have you got the remote control working? |
| [01:45:48] | iamlindoro__: | jamesd_: I already had a mceusb so I never bothered, honestly |
| [01:45:50] | hatchmt: | Anyone have issues getting audio to work with a bt878-chipset ATI TV Wonder? |
| [01:45:57] | hatchmt: | Audio works fine with the HD Homerun |
| [01:46:03] | iamlindoro__: | I *think* it might be unsupported as yet but I don't know for sure |
| [01:46:24] | hatchmt: | but no audio comes out of the optical (or the headphone jack) when using analog tv |
| [01:46:28] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | hatchmt: You probably have to pipe the audio into your line-in on your sound card via a jumper cable. |
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| [01:47:29] | hatchmt: | Does the driver not support sound across the PCI bus? It works in Windows, and I thought it worked in Linux too... this is my first attempt, however. |
| [01:47:40] | hatchmt: | my main concern is that I don't have that patch cable handy. :( |
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| [01:48:31] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | hatchmt: I dunno — I figured since it's a framegrabber, it may need the audio patch cable. Perhaps the linux driver doesn't yet support the audio over the pci bus? |
| [01:48:52] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | hatchmt: (for that specific card) |
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| [01:50:01] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | Anyone here doing DVB-S in the US? |
| [01:50:57] | iamlindoro__: | J-e-f-f-A-2: I have done a *tiny* bit, actually expecting a small dish tomorrow to experiment more |
| [01:50:59] | directhex: | is there anything in the clear to tune into? |
| [01:51:19] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | directhex: Yeah, there is some stuff, depending on what bird you tune in to... |
| [01:51:20] | iamlindoro__: | directhex: some, but there's a lot of "noise" (religious channels and whatnot) |
| [01:51:34] | iamlindoro__: | For every good channel you have 50 bizarro ones |
| [01:51:39] | venger: | anyone have a sql query you use to check tuner activity to see if its safe to reboot. I'd like to be able to do this from command line and eventually have perl/DBI interface with unless there are other methods |
| [01:51:40] | directhex: | and what's with the US using something global like DVB-S? surely you'd have to invent your own standard, like STSC or somesuch abbreviation? |
| [01:52:20] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, and to think that in civilized countries like, um, egypt, you can buy a licensed CAM from the sat company |
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| [01:52:29] | iamlindoro__: | Hahaha |
| [01:52:43] | iamlindoro__: | And all the good EU birds are over the horizon... especially here in CA :) |
| [01:52:44] | zahna: | hey, what all is the recordedmarkup database table used for? |
| [01:52:49] | directhex: | or poland! everyone loves poland, with all their cheap-labour poles! |
| [01:52:56] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | directhex: yeah, I wish the same were true here. I've got 3 Dish STB's feeding s-video into Hauppauge cards... |
| [01:53:00] | directhex: | zahna, recorded markup |
| [01:53:03] | iamlindoro__: | Heck, I'd own the dish and D |
| [01:53:12] | iamlindoro__: | DVB-s card just to get BBC, if I could |
| [01:53:21] | iamlindoro__: | but noooo, we get BBC America, which is so NOT the same thing |
| [01:53:29] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, i'll tune into bbc hd when i move house & can get a dish fitted |
| [01:53:36] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, and i'll watch it on a mac mini! |
| [01:53:40] | iamlindoro__: | ;) |
| [01:53:59] | zahna: | directhex: ie, you have no idea whatsoever |
| [01:54:11] | directhex: | i've created a monster. it's 2am, and the wife is still playing the MMO i got her for xmas |
| [01:54:14] | directhex: | zahna, precisely! |
| [01:54:17] | jamesd_: | is it common for a hdmi port on a nvidia card to plug into a dvi port on a hdtv with a standard cable or do i have to worry about getting a special cable or other device? |
| [01:54:31] | directhex: | jamesd_, dvi to hdmi cables are very common |
| [01:54:44] | jamesd_: | directhex, and they work most of the time? |
| [01:54:46] | zahna: | anyone know of a good way to "clean" the mythconverg tables of old, unused data? |
| [01:54:54] | iamlindoro__: | haha, I think that's the first time I've heard "I need to get a cable so the HDMI on my graphics card can connect to the DVI on my TV" |
| [01:54:55] | directhex: | jamesd_, if your TV feels nice, generally. |
| [01:55:08] | iamlindoro__: | usually the other way around :) |
| [01:55:27] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, i'm a big fan of hdmi. though i use vga for my myth |
| [01:55:30] | jamesd_: | directhex, cool any recomendation for a cheap 42–46" tv, in the 800–1000 range. |
| [01:55:42] | directhex: | jamesd_, i don;t know about US TV prices |
| [01:55:49] | jamesd_: | ok |
| [01:55:50] | zahna: | has anyone gotten mythtv to run on any of the bsds? |
| [01:55:59] | iamlindoro__: | directhex: DVI straight through here-- Projector has HDMI also, but I figured why waste it since the audio is just going to the receiver anyway |
| [01:56:06] | directhex: | jamesd_, nobody in the UK sells TVs with DVI on them though. DVI died ages ago, it was only ever a temporary fix |
| [01:56:08] | iamlindoro__: | plus, cheaper long-run cables |
| [01:56:17] | iamlindoro__: | and sturdier, with better connectors |
| [01:56:20] | directhex: | zahna, frontend iirc |
| [01:56:38] | directhex: | zahna, backend can't run |
| [01:56:38] | zahna: | directhex: that's it? not the backend? |
| [01:56:42] | zahna: | dang... |
| [01:56:43] | jamesd_: | directhex, does everyone mostly ship hdvi then? so i can just get an even simpler cable? |
| [01:56:48] | iamlindoro__: | bsdfox__ may have experimented with that |
| [01:56:57] | directhex: | zahna, have you ported the entire video4linux kernel infrastructure to bsd? |
| [01:57:05] | zahna: | actually, yes |
| [01:57:26] | directhex: | jamesd_, i've not seen any sets with dvi for ages. generally, it's 2+ hdmi sockets as standard these days |
| [01:57:28] | jamesd_: | i would love to see the front end ported to solaris |
| [01:57:34] | directhex: | jamesd_, tried it? |
| [01:57:41] | directhex: | jamesd_, and also, why? |
| [01:57:45] | zahna: | then, i ported it to windows |
| [01:58:06] | ** zahna hopes that doesn't get him kicked ** | |
| [01:58:06] | directhex: | zahna, where's my beos port? i'm waiting... |
| [01:58:23] | ** J-e-f-f-A-2 wants the Amiga port... ;-) ** | |
| [01:58:26] | jamesd_: | directhex, nope... getting parts for my myth box in the next week... ordered them... so i can use ZFS for storage... and myth frontend all on the same box... |
| [01:58:51] | zahna: | jamesd_: use an nfs export from a solaris box |
| [01:58:54] | directhex: | ZFS is well-marketed nothing |
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| [01:59:19] | zahna: | my storage is on a freebsd box. when 7.0 comes out i'll be using zfs. |
| [01:59:31] | jamesd_: | zahna, i will... in a few months hopefully they will get pci passthrough working and it will be a moot point |
| [01:59:42] | jamesd_: | directhex, have you tried it? |
| [01:59:56] | directhex: | jamesd_, not on anything larger than a few hundred gig |
| [02:00:04] | directhex: | jamesd_, i fail to see what it can do that i can't make XFS do |
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| [02:00:33] | jamesd_: | directhex, snapshots rock and clones... and instantaneous creation of the pool and snapshots and clones... |
| [02:00:41] | zahna: | so has anyone been able to clean their mythconverg tables? |
| [02:01:03] | xris: | zahna: mythtv's pretty good about keep track of that stuff on its own |
| [02:01:11] | directhex: | jamesd_, i'm pretty sure i've done most of that with XFS |
| [02:01:13] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | zahna: of??? |
| [02:01:14] | zahna: | i've been running mythtv since 2004 and i'm sure cruft has built up |
| [02:01:35] | xris: | can use optimize_mythdb.pl to get rid of unused "blank" space in tables.. |
| [02:01:47] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | zahna: Have you optimized them? ... yeah, exactly ^^^ |
| [02:01:47] | jamesd_: | directhex, with ZFS i can put all my mp3s in one filesystem, and clone a copy for everyone in the family. and family members can remove mp3s from there list without using any storage,... |
| [02:02:09] | jamesd_: | directhex, i have used XFS its nice, but snapshots and clones aren't part of XFS. |
| [02:02:36] | directhex: | jamesd_, okay, i haven't done that, but i've never felt sadistic enough to inflict solaris on anyone i don't hate. |
| [02:02:38] | fryfrog: | mmm, ZFS |
| [02:02:42] | fryfrog: | when is that coming to linux? |
| [02:02:46] | AndyCap: | never. |
| [02:02:58] | AndyCap: | well, if you don't mind using FUSE it's already there |
| [02:03:02] | directhex: | jamesd_, http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi-bin/g . . . 38428-PARENT |
| [02:03:10] | fryfrog: | i was under the impression that ZFS was going to be open source? |
| [02:03:11] | xand: | maybe when sun relicense it |
| [02:03:14] | directhex: | i like using FUSE! |
| [02:03:18] | jamesd_: | fryfrog, linux's licensing prevents it, but *bsd are getting it |
| [02:03:22] | AndyCap: | fryfrog: it is. but it's not gpl compatible |
| [02:03:24] | xand: | fryfrog: it is, but GPL incompatible so it can't go in the kernel |
| [02:03:26] | fryfrog: | ah, damn :( |
| [02:03:30] | directhex: | fryfrog, under sun's intentionally GPL-incompatible CDDL license |
| [02:03:32] | zahna: | J-e-f-f-A-2: nope, I haven't optimized them yet. i'll have to do that. |
| [02:03:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | I installed solaris 10 on an 8-cpu box a couple of weeks ago... I was shocked to learn the stupid box takes like 5 minutes of POST time before it even turns on the monitor... |
| [02:03:45] | fryfrog: | how does FUSE let you use ZFS in linux? |
| [02:03:53] | AndyCap: | but this sort of works http://zfs-on-fuse.blogspot.com/ but the guy got hired by sun |
| [02:04:01] | fryfrog: | ahhaha |
| [02:04:03] | xand: | FUSE lets you mount things without using kernel support for them |
| [02:04:04] | directhex: | fryfrog, well, it's incompatible to everyone except j000ooOO000rg schilling, who insists it is because he saw a sun employee at a conference nod at him once, and that trumps sun's legal team |
| [02:04:26] | AndyCap: | directhex: well, jörg needs to step up his medication |
| [02:04:32] | directhex: | J-e-f-f-A, 8-cpu boxes are ten apenny! |
| [02:04:57] | xand: | fryfrog: you don't want to be using FUSE for proper storage though |
| [02:04:59] | jamesd_: | i wasn't aware they had ported xvm to linux... and is it free? SGI has an awful habbit of snubbing hobbiests.... |
| [02:05:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | directhex: Yeah, it was at work – a Sun Enterprise 4500.... 4GB ram, 8 cpus and slow as hell... |
| [02:05:02] | zahna: | where would optimize_mythtv.pl be? |
| [02:05:05] | AndyCap: | xand: why no? |
| [02:05:11] | xand: | it's not fast or stable enough |
| [02:05:20] | zahna: | s/mythtv/mythdb/ |
| [02:05:25] | directhex: | jamesd_, erm... not 100% free, no. |
| [02:05:26] | AndyCap: | xand: got any hard data for that? :-) |
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| [02:05:27] | xris: | zahna: mythtv contrib directory |
| [02:05:39] | AndyCap: | on a related note to ZFS though. http://oss.oracle.com/projects/btrfs/ |
| [02:05:53] | jamesd_: | has 140 solaris boxes at work... 2.0+ ghz cpus are not slow... and opteron solaris boxes at home. |
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| [02:06:12] | directhex: | osc@comp00:~$ psrinfo | wc -l |
| [02:06:12] | directhex: | 16 |
| [02:06:42] | ** jamesd_ has 3x SGI boxes that i haven't powered on in years because SGI won't offer the OS to hobbiests without paying an arm and a leg. ** | |
| [02:06:59] | directhex: | that's our only solaris box, and i only agreed to install it because it's not really solaris, and i can use apt |
| [02:06:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | jamesd_: This one is just an 8-cpu box -Sparc 400mhz processors... Old stuff... |
| [02:07:02] | AndyCap: | jamesd_: heh, isn't irix pretty much dead nowaday anyway? |
| [02:07:08] | directhex: | our last sun boxes were evicted with the help of a crowbar |
| [02:07:20] | AndyCap: | directhex: on the admin or the rack? |
| [02:07:26] | directhex: | though that said, 512 of our new cores are in sun opteron machines, running suse |
| [02:07:34] | jamesd_: | AndyCap, yeap they killed it... if they would of given it for free, people may still want to use it... SGI boxes had awesome video... |
| [02:07:52] | AndyCap: | jamesd_: i think the important word there is had |
| [02:07:56] | fryfrog: | directhex: why sun hardware with SUSE, doesn't Sun charge a lot for their gear? |
| [02:08:05] | directhex: | fryfrog, it was a low bid, actually |
| [02:08:14] | directhex: | fryfrog, dell intel, sun opteron, sgi itanic |
| [02:08:15] | fryfrog: | wow, nice |
| [02:08:16] | AndyCap: | fryfrog: not for the x86 servers, they're fairly competeteive |
| [02:08:22] | fryfrog: | cool |
| [02:08:32] | AndyCap: | not like 800$ for a cheap ide cdrom |
| [02:08:37] | directhex: | jms@orac:~> grep -c ^processor /proc/cpuinfo |
| [02:08:37] | directhex: | 152 |
| [02:08:41] | directhex: | that's the big machine |
| [02:09:25] | jamesd_: | AndyCap, true... but some boxes that are cheap now can do things that only the latest x86 boxes have done... and IRIX could still be thriving... but i guess they didn't want to live only fight for the commercial world where everything costs and eventually they will die... |
| [02:09:57] | directhex: | old pic. need to transfer photos from my camphone :/ http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/g . . . oto-0011.jpg |
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| [02:10:59] | AndyCap: | directhex: now you just need http://www.madness.at/fun/e15kmod/e15kmod.html |
| [02:11:41] | directhex: | AndyCap, it looks good in pitch black, due to blinky lights |
| [02:11:57] | directhex: | AndyCap, i'm not touching a fucking sunfire again without a 50% pay rise though |
| [02:12:02] | AndyCap: | Hehehe |
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| [02:12:46] | AndyCap: | I'm thinking green neon under the floor tiling |
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| [02:12:47] | AndyCap: | :) |
| [02:13:14] | directhex: | there's already "effect lighting", we'll be buying colored bulbs for it |
| [02:13:25] | jamesd_: | why is the lighting important.. i manage 150 boxes and haven't been in the datacenter for more than a month... only vendors visit regually. |
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| [02:13:56] | AndyCap: | jamesd_: well, then you need something that people will want to come and see. :P |
| [02:14:41] | directhex: | jamesd_, what AndyCap said. people need an "ooh!" factor, to convince them spending millions on funding has actual results! |
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| [02:14:48] | jamesd_: | AndyCap, my companies check to the vendors have them begging to come and see us... 4 hours from first contact till the moment they are on my site, usually repair is finished by then. |
| [02:14:52] | AndyCap: | like say: http://www.spikynorman.dsl.pipex.com/CrayWWWS . . . 2cascade.jpg |
| [02:15:07] | directhex: | jamesd_, mock all you want, but having a window installed on the side of the machine room was a brilliant move, every highly paid academic has stopped to go "ooh!" at it |
| [02:15:43] | directhex: | AndyCap, not enough supercomputers are also sofas these days :( |
| [02:15:55] | AndyCap: | yeah, that's a loss. |
| [02:16:02] | jamesd_: | directhex, window? are you insane... security will never go for that.. i have to hand scan in and out... of the datacenter... no pictures are allowed of even of my cubicle. |
| [02:16:07] | AndyCap: | one's got to have a little panache |
| [02:16:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | AndyCap: That's crazy... Are those production machines? |
| [02:16:10] | directhex: | AndyCap, i like the sicortex boxes, they have doors like a deloran! |
| [02:16:14] | directhex: | J-e-f-f-A, yes |
| [02:16:33] | AndyCap: | J-e-f-f-A: that cooling gizmo is positively pornographic |
| [02:16:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | oops, meant jamesd_ ... |
| [02:16:44] | directhex: | jamesd_, if thieves manage to move tonnes of kit from the raised floor to out of the building, before security arrives, then fair play to them |
| [02:16:45] | jamesd_: | welcome to the fortune 500 datacenter.... anyway i'm out.. see you all next year. |
| [02:17:00] | AndyCap: | in 2009? |
| [02:17:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | jamesd_: ttyl... ;-) |
| [02:20:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | AndyCap: hehe... It's not 2008 yet here in the US... ;-) |
| [02:21:19] | directhex: | who cares about you yanks? it's 2008 for most of the world |
| [02:21:48] | hatchmt: | I figured out the bt878 audio across the pci bus — I was pointing it to /dev/dsp when I should have put /dev/dsp1. |
| [02:21:54] | hatchmt: | works perfectly now, even over the optical out. |
| [02:22:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | hatchmt: Cool. ;-) |
| [02:22:33] | AndyCap: | It's pretty much the americas that are left out now. :) |
| [02:23:13] | AndyCap: | got to spend new years eve at one of the poles one year. midnight every hour |
| [02:24:09] | directhex: | you'd be too drunk by the third one to care |
| [02:24:28] | directhex: | and you can achieve the same effect with a transatlantic flight with free booze |
| [02:24:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | That's what I was thinking... I was going to ask "How long did you last?" ;-) |
| [02:25:25] | AndyCap: | Hehe, I don't think I'd last terribly long. |
| [02:26:41] | AndyCap: | airplanes are torture though. you're liable to get shot if you get up and walk around. |
| [02:26:45] | directhex: | transatlantic free booze is great in one direction, but pointless in the other, where you just want to sleep & have to worry about the drive home |
| [02:27:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | directhex: that's where "Airport Limo" services come in handy... $50 round-trip, no driving involved... |
| [02:29:15] | directhex: | J-e-f-f-A, any idea what it'd cost from home to gatwick by hire transport? |
| [02:29:31] | directhex: | oh, sure, there's a bus, but that's from the center of oxford, and is £25 per person per direction! |
| [02:30:18] | AndyCap: | Hehe, getting driven around is probably cheaper in the us. |
| [02:30:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | directhex: hehe... I dunno.. I live about 25 miles from Boston, so it's pretty cheap. They have a bunch of vans, and pick you up at your door, and drop you back off at your door. There's usually 5 or 6 other people in the van... |
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| [02:31:27] | directhex: | J-e-f-f-A, i wouldn't mind, but there's nowhere to stop between oxford and gatwick for a coffee |
| [02:31:46] | vontrapp: | i used mythtv before, but it's been a year |
| [02:31:55] | directhex: | driving in france is bliss by comparison. somewhere to pull over for a piss and some air every couple of miles, and a proper service station every few more |
| [02:32:24] | vontrapp: | this time around it was lots easier, database was still a pain though |
| [02:32:32] | vontrapp: | sad to see zap2it labs going down :( |
| [02:32:44] | vontrapp: | anyway, i tried mythfilldatabase --file blah blah blah |
| [02:32:46] | Daviey: | vontrapp: keep up at the back |
| [02:33:18] | vontrapp: | but that didn't work (to fill programme info from an xmltv file) |
| [02:34:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | vontrapp: sign up for schedulesdirect.org — $20/year – that's the replacment for zap2it... I think you can sign up for a trial – 7 days IIRC... To decide if you want to sign up. |
| [02:35:29] | vontrapp: | i really don't |
| [02:36:10] | Tanthrix: | vontrapp: Most people were spoiled by zap2it and are now willing to pay a measily $1.60 a month for the same thing nowadays, so you'll find less and less talk of xmltv and other alternatives |
| [02:36:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | vontrapp: Whynot? It's not $20/month, it's /year... that's less than $2/month... |
| [02:37:05] | vontrapp: | i'd prefer to flounder around doing it my way _before_ i decide it's easier to just pay <$2/month |
| [02:37:22] | vontrapp: | which i may do in the end |
| [02:37:54] | vontrapp: | i think it's kinda fishy this whole "bow to the noble non-profit, we won't make it easy to do anything else" |
| [02:38:19] | directhex: | why's it not easy? myth now uses any compliant tv_grab xmltv grabber you have on your system |
| [02:38:27] | directhex: | it's an improvement on when it used to be hard-coded |
| [02:38:44] | vontrapp: | i haven't seen any way to specify a custom grabber |
| [02:38:48] | directhex: | so just put your free US xmltv grabber into $PATh somewhere, and you're sorted |
| [02:38:51] | vontrapp: | i can't even load a _file_ |
| [02:39:15] | directhex: | is your file correct? |
| [02:39:24] | vontrapp: | there's this really big list of grabbers |
| [02:39:31] | AndyCap: | Tanthrix: well, if there was a pay alternative for .no I'd be interested. :) |
| [02:39:35] | vontrapp: | but i don't see which one is custom |
| [02:40:26] | Tanthrix: | AndyCap: Hehehe. I guess I should count myself lucky to live in the states on this one count. Dealing with ever changing scrapers and other things must be a pain. |
| [02:41:01] | vontrapp: | the freeguide program reads my file just fine |
| [02:41:08] | AndyCap: | Tanthrix: it's been pretty good here actually. since the site doesn't change around much. but yeah it's far from optimal |
| [02:41:23] | vontrapp: | mythfill doesn't throw any errors, just nothing happens (well it takes a long time, but then still nothing) |
| [02:41:25] | Tanthrix: | AndyCap: That's good at least. |
| [02:41:50] | directhex: | vontrapp, so check the logs for what's broken. your conspiracy theory is trite and boring |
| [02:42:33] | vontrapp: | didn't mean to bore you with that ;) just want to explore my options |
| [02:42:46] | Tanthrix: | Self-entitled conspiracy theory, more like it. |
| [02:43:00] | directhex: | vontrapp, myth supports either SD, or any standard xmltv grabber. if you don't want to use SD, use a standard xmltv grabber. do you have a standard xmltv grabber for the US handy? |
| [02:43:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | vontrapp: You could hire a secretary to manually enter the listings in, transposing them from tvguide.com ... ;-) |
| [02:43:27] | directhex: | where "standard" means, if i recall correctly, returns required stuff from "tv_grab_foo --capabilities" |
| [02:43:31] | Tanthrix: | J-e-f-f-A: OCR from a TV-guide, that is my preferred way. Document feeder for a scanner and the works. |
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| [02:44:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | Tanthrix: There ya go! Wow, I hadn't thought of that. (I must be tired...) |
| [02:44:18] | AndyCap: | anyone know what ms uses for their media center? I guess they buy data same as SD? |
| [02:44:20] | vontrapp: | Tanthrix: since i'm not even the one to call it a conspiracy theory? |
| [02:45:06] | vontrapp: | directhex: well i guess i don't have a standard grabber then |
| [02:45:24] | vontrapp: | how about an existing standard grabber that simply reads an xmltv file? |
| [02:45:31] | vontrapp: | cause i _do_ have an xmltv file |
| [02:45:35] | directhex: | vontrapp, write one. |
| [02:45:52] | vontrapp: | i find it hard to believe not a one exists already |
| [02:45:53] | directhex: | vontrapp, call it tv_grab_dummy or somesuch |
| [02:46:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | AndyCap: They buy the same data, but not through SD. SD is not for commercial use... That does bring up a question though — if they get it from somewhere (presumably free), then somebody could reverse-engineer it... |
| [02:46:27] | vontrapp: | anyway, when i do get a standard grabber, how do i get it into myth? |
| [02:46:35] | Tanthrix: | vontrapp: I was just commenting on your rather self entitled comment about myth being "fishy" with regards to non-SD sources. No one is forcing you to use myth. And most of us aren't so unbelievably stingy that we can't spend $1.60 a month on guide data. |
| [02:46:54] | directhex: | vontrapp, if it's in $PATH and called tv_grab_something then it'll be listed |
| [02:47:03] | Tanthrix: | vontrapp: No intention to start a flame war. It's just we've heard person after person bitch and moan about zap2it going away, and complaining that they no longer get a free lunch that works automagically. |
| [02:47:06] | vontrapp: | hmmk |
| [02:47:13] | directhex: | vontrapp, oh, it also needs to return "baseline" at the very least if you run "tv_grab_something --capabilities" |
| [02:47:25] | Tanthrix: | vontrapp: So we're all a bit cranky about smart assy comments on the matter. ;) |
| [02:47:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Tanthrix: Heck, I signed up when it was $15 for 3 months. I had faith they would make the $20/year mark... ;-) and they did. ;-) |
| [02:47:39] | vontrapp: | is there a grabber spec somewhere i can read? |
| [02:47:42] | Tanthrix: | J-e-f-f-A: Ditto. |
| [02:47:48] | directhex: | vontrapp, xmltv.org |
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| [02:47:57] | vontrapp: | kk, thx |
| [02:48:36] | vontrapp: | i don't think myth is conspiring, i think the networks are |
| [02:48:44] | directhex: | duh |
| [02:48:50] | vontrapp: | but that's not why i'm here |
| [02:48:53] | directhex: | that's not news |
| [02:49:10] | vontrapp: | ;) |
| [02:49:18] | directhex: | conversely, in the UK, the bbc hand out 14 days of machine-readable guide data |
| [02:49:44] | vontrapp: | i always liked bbc |
| [02:49:51] | directhex: | http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.dat -> then $CHANNUM.dat |
| [02:50:12] | mzb: | vontrapp: for a massively complicated grabber, look for shepherd (whuffy) |
| [02:50:23] | directhex: | they could save their BW bills a bit by switching from "false" and "true" to "0" and "1" |
| [02:50:26] | mzb: | (.au only) |
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| [02:51:33] | directhex: | right, bedtime |
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| [02:52:01] | pembo13_com: | what would cause mythtv to stall on playback when i seek forward? |
| [02:52:14] | zahna: | is anyone in 2008 yet? |
| [02:52:31] | mzb: | half way through it :) |
| [02:52:48] | zahna: | that's some timezone you're in there |
| [02:52:55] | mzb: | pembo13_com: badly encoded file, IOBound, CPUbound ... all sorts of things |
| [02:52:55] | AndyCap: | zahna: the majority of the world is. :) |
| [02:52:59] | mzb: | zahna: .au |
| [02:53:19] | mzb: | already recovered from the night out ;) |
| [02:53:27] | pembo13_com: | mzb, gettign IOBound errors in my log, it's a mythtv recording, done today |
| [02:53:28] | zahna: | not, halfway through it. that's, like, June |
| [02:53:55] | zahna: | AFAIK, no timezone is in June yet. :) |
| [02:54:41] | mzb: | zahna: :)) ... half way through the first day :) |
| [02:54:52] | mzb: | (obviously not fully recovered yet;)) |
| [02:54:58] | zahna: | heh, yep |
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| [03:12:56] | EnderTheThird: | How are the items in mythextras fro SVN? |
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| [03:23:06] | rooaus: | EnderTheThird: Do you want to download mythextras from svn? |
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| [03:27:22] | fryfrog: | wtf is mythextras? |
| [03:28:21] | rooaus: | fryfrog: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythextras |
| [03:29:12] | fryfrog: | ah |
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| [03:44:55] | justinh: | don't forget the other mythextras – (or was it 'mythextra' ?) – mythrecipe, mythfm et al |
| [03:46:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | humm... it seems the version of mythbackend I'm running [SVN 15244] has some sort of loop or race condition... it's taking 98% of my cpu... [checking commits now...] |
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| [03:51:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | humm... Don't see anything obvious... Oh well, I'll try an upgrade to trunk to see what happens... |
| [03:55:10] | EnderTheThird: | the mythflash thing sounded interesting |
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| [04:00:05] | justinh: | it's only a flash player for mythweb |
| [04:00:12] | justinh: | nothing to wet your pants about |
| [04:00:46] | EnderTheThird: | oh, doesn't transcode for flash video files? |
| [04:03:46] | justinh: | no. IIRC the ultimate plan is to build in some kind of realtime transcoding into the backend to deliver content in a form suited to the device requesting it |
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| [04:04:19] | justinh: | and when I say 'ultimate plan' I mean of course that it's way, way off |
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| [04:06:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Why add it to the backend? I personally would prefer it to be a seperate program so that the backend isn't slowed down with doing everything itself... |
| [04:07:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | justdave: (Or perhaps that is the plan, just like commercial flagging, etc now?) |
| [04:07:54] | justdave: | someday when someone gets a round tuit. |
| [04:08:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | oops, sorry justdave... I meant justinh... ^^^ |
| [04:08:21] | justinh: | why add it to the backend? because seperate programs are seen as messy – such as the current method of running an instance of ffmpeg to transcode to flv on the fly |
| [04:08:23] | justdave: | yah, I know, everyone does it ;) |
| [04:08:42] | justinh: | if anybody's backend runs out of juice that's their own lookout, same as now |
| [04:08:53] | justdave: | the nick autocomplete ain't all that intelligent in some of the irc clients |
| [04:09:27] | justinh: | justdave: been thinking about inventing a new nick & confusing everybody again |
| [04:09:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: I guess my line of thinking comes from working with Tandem computers, where you run multiple programs to get lots of parallelism out of the system... |
| [04:10:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | justdave: It's that darn tab-autocompletion... it should 'beep' if there's more than one match, like the shell does... ;-) |
| [04:10:59] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A: if everything's threaded properly I can't see the problem |
| [04:11:57] | justinh: | modern CPUs don't really have any issues transcoding to mobile formats on the fly anyway. the answer is quite simple. if your system is too lame, don't do it ;) |
| [04:12:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Yeah, I suppose... In my mind, the backend would be more like a 'traffic cop' that controls all the other worker programs... That way if the upnp program has a bug and starts to loop, I can just bounce that, instead of having to bounce my backend process... |
| [04:12:40] | EnderTheThird: | justinh: i agree. if someone's myth BE is slow, chances are they're going to want to customize it a bit to keep it flying anyway |
| [04:12:47] | justdave: | btw, if anyone's running MythTV on Ubuntu Edgy, upgrade the darn thing |
| [04:12:52] | EnderTheThird: | ha |
| [04:13:03] | justinh: | why's that justdave ? |
| [04:13:06] | justdave: | I was prepared to spend money on hardware fixups because the thing was slow as hell |
| [04:13:15] | justdave: | upgraded it to Gutsy and got a huge perf boost |
| [04:13:22] | justinh: | my main backend is running on Dapper still :P |
| [04:13:35] | justinh: | t'aint broked :) |
| [04:14:16] | EnderTheThird: | will apt-get or aptitude clear libraries that were installed just for building? mainly: I just installed 120+ libraries so i could build mythtv from svn, heh |
| [04:14:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ubuntu n00b question — how do I know what distribution of ubuntu I'm running — I just started to setup a test system using the x86 Ubuntu disk — uname -a returns "2.6.22-14-generic"... |
| [04:14:34] | justdave: | The Myth backend box has the huge hard drive, so it was also an NFS server for my LAN... |
| [04:14:49] | EnderTheThird: | j-e-f-f-a: you mean between 32 and 64 bit? |
| [04:14:56] | justdave: | got a Gigabit NIC on it, and the house is wired for Gigabit... |
| [04:15:04] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A: the 'about' menu somewhere ;) |
| [04:15:15] | justdave: | trying to copy a 180 MB file on or off of it took about 5 to 8 minutes |
| [04:15:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: Well, I know I'm running the 32 bit version – my test system is a Semperon 2800+ which isn't 64-bit... |
| [04:15:23] | justdave: | after upgrading to Gutsy it takes about 45 seconds |
| [04:15:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Thanks, I'll look... |
| [04:15:47] | EnderTheThird: | they have one generic kernel... no -smp stuff or anything like that anymore |
| [04:16:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... it says "Thank you for your interest in Ubuntu 7.10 – the Gutsy Gibbon – relased in October 2007" – so I take it I'm running "Gutsy" then... |
| [04:18:02] | EnderTheThird: | Oh, you meant like that, heh |
| [04:19:38] | justdave: | head /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html |
| [04:19:51] | justdave: | version number will be in there |
| [04:20:58] | justdave: | ah, looks like /etc/lsb-release has it, too |
| [04:21:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | justdave: Yeah — says Ubuntu 7.10 — I was wondering where it said "Gutsy" or "Dapper", etc... |
| [04:21:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | justdave: There it is... gutsy ... |
| [04:21:32] | justdave: | lsb-release has the codename, too |
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| [04:26:38] | justdave: | EnderTheThird: if you installed them manually with apt-get they'll stick around |
| [04:26:51] | justdave: | if they were pulled in as dependencies they might get removed if nothing depends on them anymore |
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| [04:27:11] | justdave: | obviously they're dependencies, but apt-get doesn't know that if you specifically asked for them |
| [04:29:00] | EnderTheThird: | aptitude removes packages that aren't dependencies, right? |
| [04:29:30] | fryfrog: | sometimes :/ |
| [04:29:37] | EnderTheThird: | k. thanks |
| [04:29:38] | justdave: | if the only reason they got installed was because something else you installed depended on it, then yeah |
| [04:30:04] | EnderTheThird: | if only i'd discovered xbmc before i got mythtv set up, heh |
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| [04:30:18] | EnderTheThird: | cause that's some pretty cool shit on there, but it pales in comparison to myth |
| [04:30:55] | fryfrog: | xbmc on linux or xbox1? |
| [04:32:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh crap... just upgraded to svn trunk... now mythbackend segfaults upon startup... oh... looks to be upnp related... [going to shut off the upnp boxes...] |
| [04:33:34] | EnderTheThird: | xbox1 |
| [04:34:15] | fryfrog: | i <3 xbmc on xbox1 :) |
| [04:34:25] | fryfrog: | stole my friends ir on/off switch to make my xbox1 even hotter |
| [04:35:25] | justinh: | just a pity they host their project on sourceforge. I wanted to look at their code today & it took ages to grab a checkout |
| [04:36:26] | EnderTheThird: | ha |
| [04:36:46] | EnderTheThird: | if only they could do that with x360. i'd be a big fan of that |
| [04:36:57] | EnderTheThird: | but it'll be a while before they break through all the shit on there i think |
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| [04:37:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | ugh... can somebody tell me how to, or point me to a howto for creating a backtrace? |
| [04:37:58] | justinh: | er.. the mythtv docs |
| [04:38:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | I've compiled with debug, and setup gdb... |
| [04:38:23] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [04:38:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | Well, "mythbackend -v most" gives me lots of info, but no trace... |
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| [04:39:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Yeah, that's what I followed — does it make sense to add the '-v most' to the mythbackend startup for more info, or is the [minimal] output from gdb enough? |
| [04:39:55] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A: I don't know. can't really harm to have more info |
| [04:40:20] | justdave: | gdb -p pid |
| [04:40:27] | justdave: | where pid is the process id of the backend process |
| [04:40:33] | justdave: | then type "bt" |
| [04:41:00] | justdave: | won't tell you much unless it's hung |
| [04:41:19] | justdave: | and the process will hang while you're attached to it if it wasn't already |
| [04:41:21] | justinh: | well, time for bed methinks. g'night all, and happy new year! |
| [04:41:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | justdave: It doesn't hang, it just segfaults. gdb says "Program exited with code 0355." |
| [04:41:47] | justdave: | oh, did it drop a core file? |
| [04:41:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Thanks, and happy new year to you too... |
| [04:42:07] | justdave: | you'd need a core to get a backtrace out of the segfault |
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| [04:42:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | justdave: Umm... Humm... I'm new to core dumps... where whould it be, in the same directory as mythbackend's executable? |
| [04:43:13] | justdave: | it'd be in whatever the current directory was when the app was launched probably |
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| [04:43:23] | justdave: | typically a user's home directory |
| [04:43:40] | justdave: | the shell will often set a maximum core size and/or disable cores, too |
| [04:44:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | no core* file, either in the current directory or ~ ... checking 'env' settings... |
| [04:44:19] | justdave: | but I'm not sure off-hand how to re-enable it, I only know I remember seeing that somewhere |
| [04:45:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... don't see anything set in the environmental variables.... Going Googlin'... |
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| [04:49:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | justdave: Yep... "ulimit -c" was set to "0"... |
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| [04:53:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh, sure.... enable core dumps and now it's working fine... Ugh... Oh well... |
| [04:54:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | mythweb certainly seems more responsive... [recorded programs still takes a month of sundays to come up though...] |
| [05:00:44] | justdave: | Happy New Year UTC-5 |
| [05:00:45] | EnderTheThird: | hmmm, myth doesn't seem to be scaling quite right for my 16:10 monitor |
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| [05:01:01] | EnderTheThird: | my widescreen theme images are being stretched |
| [05:01:55] | EnderTheThird: | justdave, back at ya |
| [05:01:59] | Tanthrix: | EnderTheThird: There are no 16:10 themes, only 4:3 and 16:9. So you're going to get some stretching |
| [05:02:17] | Tanthrix: | EnderTheThird: Shouldn't be that noticable though |
| [05:02:23] | EnderTheThird: | hmm, guess i just never really noticed it before then. show you how often i used my fronted on my desktop, haha |
| [05:03:58] | EnderTheThird: | vsync is what causes those "refresh" lines going across the screen during increased movement, right? |
| [05:04:20] | EnderTheThird: | or vblank |
| [05:05:16] | justdave: | I think you can force myth to fix the proportions |
| [05:05:23] | justdave: | give you the letterbox effect or something |
| [05:06:10] | Tanthrix: | EnderTheThird: Must be vblank, since vsync has nothing to do with lines moving about the screen. It's used to make sure frames are drawn at the same time as they are rendered on the screen to avoid tearing |
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| [05:07:25] | mattwj2005: | Happy New Years everyone! :D |
| [05:09:01] | EnderTheThird: | Thanks |
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| [05:10:42] | EnderTheThird: | argh, xv doesn't seem to be workin |
| [05:11:48] | EnderTheThird: | anyone know dependencies for xvmc-opengl? |
| [05:12:40] | EnderTheThird: | i got it when compiling my other FE/BE, but i forget what i had to install for it |
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| [05:21:30] | EnderTheThird: | hmmm, no one? |
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| [05:39:02] | robbins61: | Anyone been to japan before? |
| [05:43:18] | cecil_: | yes |
| [05:43:35] | ** cecil_ lived in Okinawa for 3 years ** | |
| [05:44:42] | cecil_ is now known as cesman | |
| [05:47:33] | EnderTheThird: | nope |
| [05:47:56] | ** cesman spent several great weeks in tokyo and yokohama ** | |
| [05:48:03] | cesman: | aahhh the memories... |
| [05:51:16] | robbins61: | cesman, i lived in okinawa for 3 years too |
| [05:51:26] | robbins61: | cesman, prostitutes in tokyo? |
| [05:51:30] | cesman: | ii na tokoro ne |
| [05:51:44] | robbins61: | torre wa nan des ka? |
| [05:51:47] | cesman: | no, no prostitutes |
| [05:52:27] | cesman: | campu coutoni sunde imashita |
| [05:52:48] | ** cesman can start to feel the effects of 4 Guinness... ** | |
| [05:52:48] | robbins61: | doetashi mashte |
| [05:53:04] | robbins61: | where in okinawa, cesman? |
| [05:53:18] | cesman: | Camp Courtney |
| [05:53:30] | cesman: | Near Gushikawa |
| [05:53:57] | robbins61: | the first time i ever made out with a girl it was on camp courtney |
| [05:54:11] | cesman: | lol |
| [05:54:12] | robbins61: | 6th grade, she was in 8th |
| [05:54:18] | robbins61: | and i touched her boobs |
| [05:54:31] | fryfrog: | sweet, 8th grader boobs! |
| [05:54:37] | robbins61: | no joke |
| [05:55:06] | robbins61: | i lived on kadena |
| [05:55:25] | robbins61: | i'm going back to japan this summer |
| [05:55:51] | cesman: | lucky |
| [05:56:03] | cesman: | it has been about 4 years since I've been back |
| [05:56:54] | robbins61: | my roommate has never had sex |
| [05:57:08] | robbins61: | and i want him to lose his virginity to a japanese prostitute |
| [05:57:30] | cesman: | lol! |
| [05:57:51] | robbins61: | seriously |
| [05:57:55] | robbins61: | and he's down for it too |
| [05:58:04] | ** cesman isn't going to probe any further... ** | |
| [05:58:11] | cesman: | this is a family channel |
| [05:58:18] | mattwj2005: | dang is this room drunk or what? |
| [05:58:19] | robbins61: | my girlfriend gets furious when i mention it |
| [06:00:05] | mattwj2005: | so has everyone been happy with scheduled direct service? |
| [06:00:22] | cesman: | very!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [06:00:55] | mattwj2005: | I just signed tonight and built my mythtv box tonight as well |
| [06:01:07] | squish102: | not a single problem with SD |
| [06:01:38] | mattwj2005: | cool....price isn't bad |
| [06:02:08] | mattwj2005: | reminds me of Skype pricing :D |
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| [07:19:49] | Tanthrix: | Expanding foam in a can is the devil. |
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| [09:26:43] | peque: | Hey – Happy newyear(once again :-) ) ! I have some question about adding a satelite tuner into Myth – In the external channels change commands- Isn't there some documentation on that |
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| [10:37:59] | MilhousePunkRock: | Happy new year everyone! |
| [10:39:23] | MilhousePunkRock: | Can someone enlighten me on the date/time format for ACPI wake up? I often times read "yyyy-MM-ddThh:mm:ss", why is the month in capitals and why is there a T between date and time? |
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| [11:06:36] | Hoxzer: | MilhousePunkRock: well, happy new year to you. HAve you made any new year's promises ? |
| [11:07:46] | MilhousePunkRock: | Hoxzer: Getting the MythBox in living-room-state ;) |
| [11:08:20] | Hoxzer: | :) |
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| [11:11:56] | Hoxzer: | I have to tell you that I personally love my HTPC. Recording, watching DVD, watching video files ... has never been easier. However it does require some maintaining |
| [11:12:21] | Hoxzer: | But I personally enjoy doing some tweaking |
| [11:17:46] | MilhousePunkRock: | Same here, if I wanted it the easy way, we would just stick to our old VCR |
| [11:18:13] | MilhousePunkRock: | It's ancient, but it does what it's supposed to. If you don't forget to program it... |
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| [11:18:49] | MilhousePunkRock: | The MythBox is almost done, only thing I am now struggling with is ACPI wakeup |
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| [11:27:47] | peque: | Hey – Is there any place where I get the scripts to use with external tuners. Using ArchLinux but there ain't the scripts as described here http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.3 |
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| [11:39:15] | rooaus: | peque: Check out the source via svn, the channel change stuff is there. You can browse it as well at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . nel_changers |
| [11:40:19] | peque: | I've just pick it up. But I'm playing around with a Dreambox as an external tuner – was hoping others have done that already |
| [11:41:28] | peque: | rooaus: But thanks – for getting the newest one |
| [11:43:24] | rooaus: | np, good luck :) |
| [12:06:58] | peque: | Well – that'll properly something I need – not that good in scripting |
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| [13:42:34] | mzb: | justinh: just out of interest, seeing as I was (rightly;) accused of being a file squirrel :))) ... what storage capacity are you running? ... or more to the point: what would you recommend for an SD setup with (say) 3 frontends and 3 viewers? |
| [13:45:56] | mzb: | (of varied tastes) |
| [13:46:07] | mzb: | (and ages!) |
| [13:52:52] | justinh: | for my 3 tuner backend I have 500GB video storage for recordings |
| [13:55:28] | justinh: | free space usually hovers around 60%. the only recordings I keep are my wife's precious crappy ITV drama series which she insists on not deleting despite never watching again |
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| [13:59:49] | mzb: | heh |
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| [14:01:31] | mzb: | yeah, just bought a 500GB drive ... using a 400GB partition on it and it's already got 250GB on it (without being fully in action yet;) ... time to start thinking about a change in methodology methinks ;) |
| [14:02:03] | justinh: | I don't muck about with LVM or anything daft |
| [14:02:13] | mzb: | xen server |
| [14:02:43] | justinh: | I think a TB HDD is going to be in order when they get more affordable just so I can reduce the number of IDE devices in the box |
| [14:02:47] | mzb: | mind you ... have other problems to solve first ... might have to move my 1st tuner onto the server ... too much traffic on the network causes all sorts of issues |
| [14:03:39] | mzb: | the 500GB is the only IDE device (that I use) in the server ... other two are RAID1 SATA |
| [14:03:50] | justinh: | got 3 IDE drives & IDE optical drive in there. my /myth & /home partitions are on a 500GB disk on the same bus as the dvd writer. no sata onboard though |
| [14:04:23] | mzb: | (cable seems to have fallen out of one of the SATA drives during installation of the 500GB :(( ) |
| [14:04:35] | justinh: | good thing ATA got clever enough to do different speeds on the same bus :P |
| [14:04:36] | mzb: | ah |
| [14:05:22] | justinh: | never used sata at home yet. I've tested too many sata drives at work which turned out to have weird quirks – enough for me not to trust em yet |
| [14:05:39] | justinh: | i.e. disk works fine on one controller chipset but not another :-\ |
| [14:06:03] | justinh: | having said that, since then we've seen weird quirks on PATA HDDs too |
| [14:06:29] | mzb: | mine work fine ... got 4 drives, 2 mobo |
| [14:06:31] | justinh: | but then that's mostly cos we're only using PIO mode 4 (bit-bashed IDE interface!) |
| [14:06:32] | mzb: | BUT |
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| [14:07:09] | justinh: | the IDE interface on some of our machines is nothing more than a parallel port ;) |
| [14:07:20] | mzb: | they're SATA2 drives on SATA1 mobo (using SATA1 leads) ... so only problem is that the leads *can* work out of sockets |
| [14:07:27] | justinh: | no DMA though, so it's even less than a modern parallel port :P |
| [14:08:30] | justinh: | I built a new PC for the lab & the motherboard our IT purchasing dept. gave me has 8 sata ports, all top quality latching connectors with massive retention force |
| [14:08:45] | rooaus: | justinh: Gotta love being able to bit bash an IDE interface :) |
| [14:09:08] | mzb: | recently had a 250GB Seagate die (took 6 mths to finally give up) ... seagate seem to have changed their warranty methods over that time ... so managed to request RMA, send drive and get replacement in < 14 days (for about $10 post) |
| [14:09:14] | justinh: | as in, pull the sata plug out & end up whacking the back of your hand on sharp metal on the other side of the box :( |
| [14:09:19] | mzb: | (SATA2 7200.9) |
| [14:09:47] | mzb: | heh |
| [14:10:07] | mzb: | yeah, I've had a few cuts over the years |
| [14:10:40] | mzb: | I've got a technique where if a box keeps biting me, I wipe blood around the sharp bit :)) |
| [14:10:45] | mzb: | sounds a bit gross |
| [14:11:09] | mzb: | bit you definitely notice it next time you work on it :) |
| [14:11:51] | mzb: | (that's if I can't/don't fix the sharpness of course! ;)) |
| [14:12:18] | mzb: | s/bit/but |
| [14:13:20] | mzb: | ah well ... I've exceeded late time (again!) ... sure I'll hear all about it tomorrow :)) ... better slink off to bed before she wakes up and wonders where I am :)) |
| [14:13:24] | mzb: | gnite all :) |
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| [14:17:26] | pbj__: | Can somebody explain a thing for me – when using a external tuner – such as Dreambox or cabletv – how do the change of channels sends it commands to the script. If I want to go 1 channel up – does Myth then sends UP along to the script |
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| [15:09:30] | justinh: | pbj__: no. myth sends the freqid of the channel it wants to change to |
| [15:12:24] | pbj__: | justinh: Thanks it sends the frequense ID – Since I want Ãt to be talking along with a dreambox, but noone has done it yet – or write anything about that, so i'm in over my head rigth now |
| [15:13:44] | pbj__: | About how I should write the script to the external tuner, but have found out that I can change change using its webinterface with — wget http://dreamboxIP/cgi-bin/rc?105 |
| [15:14:41] | justinh: | pbj__: I wrote a script to change channels on a dbox2 once |
| [15:15:33] | justinh: | only problem with that was that the dbox2 didn't use channel numbers in the URL for the channel change – so I had to use a lookup table |
| [15:16:52] | pbj__: | Well my machine is a Inetbox 300S (a japanize clon) ! Is it possible that you still have that script |
| [15:16:55] | justinh: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/dbox2chans.tar.gz |
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| [15:17:09] | hasse: | hey, im running mythtv on a amd dual core 4800+ cpu with 3 gb ram, but when i watch hd-quality 1080 resolution recordings, the sound scatters (?) a lot, and the pictures sometimes do the same |
| [15:18:28] | hasse: | the problems is only when a lot is happenign on the screen.... |
| [15:19:05] | justinh: | pbj__: the 'getchans' script parses a URL on the dbox2 containing a list of all channels. then it writes chans.txt with the dbox2 channelid, name & channel number. the script dbox2zap is the actual mythtv channel changing script – pass it a channel number & it turns that into the URL needed for the dbox to change channels :) |
| [15:19:05] | pbj__: | justinh: Great – thanks |
| [15:19:18] | justinh: | I think a README file in the tarball explains everything |
| [15:19:40] | justinh: | I never released it incase I got into trouble – dbox2 is naughty in the UK |
| [15:19:58] | justinh: | I got rid of it a while ago.. piece of crap anyway :) |
| [15:20:18] | clever: | i still have my frame grabber:P |
| [15:20:38] | pbj__: | Well here in denmark is much better than the boxes we get from the satelite company's |
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| [15:24:54] | hasse: | anyone from denmark here uses the zaptor box from stofatv ? |
| [15:25:31] | xand: | justinh: the EIT listings are rubbish for getting episode titles :( |
| [15:27:29] | pbj__: | justinh: well the README file wasn't in there ! |
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| [15:48:36] | pbj__: | justinh : How do I the easiest way, find out those frequens! My Dreambox runs with Busybox – and GeminiProject 4.0 ! But cannot seem to find them anywhere |
| [15:49:18] | pbj__: | In the logfiles etc – where the Gemini handles the changing without any logs etc. At least not the normal ways |
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| [15:53:39] | justinh: | pbj__: if I could see an example webpage from a dreambox with GeminiProject 4.0 on it I might be able to help |
| [15:55:02] | pbj__: | just a second then |
| [15:55:31] | justinh: | pbj__: the dbox has an info page which lists every channel with its real channel number (i.e. what you would use with a remote) and unique channelid |
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| [16:01:03] | justinh: | pbj__: can you even change channels on the dreambox from its webpages? if not, you might be stuck |
| [16:01:35] | pbj__: | I can change it from the webpage – It's also a control interface - |
| [16:02:22] | justinh: | then you need to scrape the page you change the channels from |
| [16:02:43] | justinh: | it might even have a telnet command you can use directly, I don't know |
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| [16:11:21] | ** vontrapp is still trying to get xmltv into mythtv, everything looks ok in the database, but nothing shows up in the program guide ** | |
| [16:13:58] | justinh: | pbj__: I think from looking at the source of the dreambox web remote, you can just use wget http://inetbox.pbjdesign.mine.nu/cgi-bin/rc?1 wget http://inetbox.pbjdesign.mine.nu/cgi-bin/rc?2 wget http://inetbox.pbjdesign.mine.nu/cgi-bin/rc3 .. etc to simulate pressing number buttons |
| [16:14:20] | vontrapp: | yay! i got it |
| [16:14:26] | vontrapp: | sourceid wasn't set right |
| [16:14:47] | justinh: | pbj__: then send wget http://inetbox.pbjdesign.mine.nu/cgi-bin/rc?352 to press 'OK' :) |
| [16:15:37] | justinh: | pbj__: to get all the keycodes, look in the source for the web remote remote (right click in your browser) ;) |
| [16:16:16] | pbj__: | Thanks a lot – That did make a lot more sence – suddenly |
| [16:18:09] | vontrapp: | grr, spent all that time entering icon locations in --manual |
| [16:18:14] | vontrapp: | now there's nothing there |
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| [16:24:28] | pbj__: | Well – It'll looks as it'll work for my point of view |
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| [16:39:54] | okolsi: | is codec AAC something myth should handle by default? |
| [16:40:14] | okolsi: | I see --enable-aac in MythMusic configure options.. |
| [16:41:17] | okolsi: | I'm just trying to rebuild seektable for a file that Myth cannot play.. and seeing: AFD Error: Could not find decoder for codec (AAC), ignoring. |
| [16:41:57] | okolsi: | was wondering if I'm missing something in myth compilation or is this okay..? |
| [16:47:53] | sphery: | okolsi: AAC (Advanced Audio Coding) was supported by MythMusic. |
| [16:48:17] | sphery: | ffmpeg changed the way they did it and now, TTBOMK, MythMusic tries to use the old lib, which is no longer built with the new ffmpeg stuff, so... |
| [16:48:40] | sphery: | (probably an overly-simplistic description, but that's all my brain could figure out) |
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| [16:51:21] | okolsi: | sphery: I checked compile logs and seems to have AAC enabled for MythMusic.. don't think I have any real songs with that codec though |
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| [16:51:45] | okolsi: | sphery: any idea if internal player can handle video with AAC sounds..? |
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| [16:54:06] | sphery: | I think the mythfrontend part works--just MythMusic that wasn't updated to use the new lib. |
| [16:56:02] | tanq: | i have bought the wrong hdtv card twice now... so I'm going to order the pchdtv card.. before I buy this I want to know what sort of troubles I might experience with this. |
| [16:56:19] | tanq: | I've seen nothing about good reviews about it.. but i haven't tried to look under any rocks yet. |
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| [16:57:07] | tanq: | so far with the cards I bought I have experienced an eventual lag up to a crash.. |
| [16:57:34] | tanq: | the cards I have were barely on the list for myth, but didn't even work well with mplayer in general. |
| [16:57:53] | vontrapp: | ok this is strange |
| [16:58:13] | vontrapp: | when x first starts and myth comes up automatically, it scales the ui way to big for the screen |
| [16:58:28] | vontrapp: | when i go through the appearence settings (just straight through) it sceles to the right size |
| [16:58:46] | vontrapp: | then if i restart it after that, the fonts get way small |
| [17:01:12] | tanq: | oh well I ordered it.. |
| [17:01:14] | ** tanq sighs. ** | |
| [17:01:49] | sphery: | okolsi: OK. Refreshed my memory. I think it's the faad2 library libmp4ff being replaced by libmp4v2. TTBOMK, MythMusic still uses libmp4ff (if available), but you can't have both installed, so it's not usually available. However, now that ffmpeg has AAC support, MythMusic should probably be updated to use that instead (though janneg would probably be a much better person to ask). |
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| [17:03:34] | sphery: | tanq: I've heard some HD-5500's have problems with OTA ATSC reception, but I haven't any experience. I'm a happy user of 4 pcHDTV HD-3000's. |
| [17:04:08] | squish102: | what do people use to conver a HD recording in mpeg2 to something more managable? if nuvexport, what are typical settings? |
| [17:04:55] | squish102: | ive tried xvid with quant = 4 and video bitrate = 1100 and size = 720x480. size dropped but it looks very bad |
| [17:05:34] | squish102: | ive also tried with all the defaults on xvid and it is also pretty bad |
| [17:05:37] | okolsi: | sphery: thanks for the info! |
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| [17:23:19] | tanq: | sphery: of course.. you should know that I always buy the most unsupprted version of a vendors hardware for an open source project. |
| [17:23:30] | tanq: | pick the project and I have the unsupported piece of hardware. |
| [17:23:53] | tanq: | openwrt, openzaurus.. myth. the list goes on. |
| [17:23:57] | tanq: | heh. |
| [17:24:32] | tanq: | its because i buy the hardware first, then eventually look for an opensource project and it turns out that I am unlucky every time. |
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| [17:24:55] | tanq: | oh yeah and ipodlinux... |
| [17:25:02] | ** tanq sighs. ** | |
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| [17:27:22] | sphery: | tanq: The only place I've seen it mentioned is: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PcHDTV_HD-5500 (under Issues) |
| [17:28:19] | sphery: | I think it's also only in some areas/with some broadcast issues that people experience problems (i.e. from reflections or whatever). I wouldn't worry too much. |
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| [17:40:07] | justinh: | nordle: uk_rt has no data for this year yet. the radiotimes people have said they'll make an announcement as to the expected fix date tomorrow |
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| [17:41:23] | nordle: | justinh: :) ahh, thanks, saved the cut&paste. I've not done manual schedules before, I'll have a crack, don't want to miss "another 3 men in a boat" or whatever its called. |
| [17:41:56] | justinh: | it's been broken for a while but we were all just quietly unaware |
| [17:42:04] | justinh: | they're normally on the ball |
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| [17:43:13] | nordle: | I thought something was up, I noticed that the +12 days for stored data was rapidly shrinking even though I was updating every week. I do it manually so as to preserve channel id's and stuff in tables. |
| [17:43:39] | nordle: | They've clearly had too many xmas parties this year. |
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| [17:45:40] | justinh: | nordle: stop mythbackend, set useit = 1 in the videosource table. set useonairguide to 1 in the channel table for all the channels you want EIT data for. then restart mythbackend |
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| [17:54:05] | nordle: | justinh: ooops, maybe thats why its never worked for me :) I had useit=1 in videosource, but NOT useonairguide in channel table. When xmltv is working again will I need to set useonairguide=0 again or can they work side by side? |
| [17:54:33] | justinh: | wouldn't bank on em working properly side by side |
| [17:55:00] | justinh: | you'll probably find duplicate searches no longer work properly, so it'll end up recording shows you already have recorded again |
| [17:56:42] | nordle: | justinh: makes sense, worth asking though just in case. Many thanks! :) Been using mythtv for 18mths and it still amazes me. It's a 2 second SQL job, so no biggy. |
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| [18:41:56] | rushfan: | Anyone here gotten good results when deinterlacing 1080i video? |
| [18:42:02] | rushfan: | For me it always winds up looking ugly |
| [18:42:10] | rushfan: | I've tried a few different interlacers |
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| [19:07:27] | jroysdon: | What calls or runs mythfilldatabase? It appears mine hasn't run in some time and my guide data expires tomorrow |
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| [19:11:03] | Pryon: | jroysdon: do you have a current subscription to schedulesdirect? |
| [19:11:10] | jroysdon: | yes |
| [19:11:32] | jroysdon: | Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2007-12–10 08:00 and ended on 2007-12–10 08:01. Successful. |
| [19:11:32] | jroysdon: | There's guide data until 2008-01–02 20:00 (1 day). WARNING: is mythfilldatabase running? |
| [19:11:32] | jroysdon: | DataDirect Status: Your subscription expires on 06/19/2008 10:44:22 PM |
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| [19:12:52] | Pryon: | jroysdon: under setup->general you should eventually get to a Mythfilldatabase section. |
| [19:13:20] | jroysdon: | hmm, ok, but I don't think anything there should have changed... |
| [19:13:23] | Pryon: | There's a checkbox called "Automatically run mythfilldatabase" |
| [19:14:09] | jroysdon: | I did add another tuner "port" (?) – I already had two CATV connections, and I added one RCA connection (on the same PVR500)... |
| [19:14:22] | jroysdon: | I manually ran mythfilldatabase, and now I see this: |
| [19:14:23] | jroysdon: | Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2008-01–01 11:10 and ended on 2008-01–01 11:10. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide. This can indicate a potential grabber failure. |
| [19:14:23] | jroysdon: | There's guide data until 2008-01–11 20:00 (10 days). |
| [19:14:54] | jroysdon: | My listings show no data.. |
| [19:19:08] | rushfan: | Hey, anyone here know how I can restrict which frontends can access a capture card? |
| [19:19:12] | rushfan: | Can that be done? |
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| [19:19:30] | rushfan: | And give some frontends priority over others for access to tuners? |
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| [19:43:49] | The-1: | hey everyone |
| [19:45:18] | knowledgejunkie: | rushfan: not that I know of |
| [19:47:13] | rushfan: | knowledgejunkie: damn :( |
| [19:47:55] | justinh: | all frontends are equal |
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| [19:51:38] | rushfan: | justinh: damn |
| [19:51:44] | rushfan: | Can't I segregate somehow? |
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| [19:54:17] | jroysdon: | I just turn off live-tv access on mine and everyone can only watch recorded tv |
| [19:55:03] | mkrufky: | oooh! what is the menu path to that option, jroysdon ? |
| [19:55:21] | GreyFoxx: | edit the xml file :) |
| [19:55:29] | mkrufky: | ah, easy enough |
| [19:55:36] | jroysdon: | ./mythtv/mainmenu.xml |
| [19:55:46] | mkrufky: | thanks :-D |
| [19:55:49] | jroysdon: | Great for dealing w/kids |
| [19:55:54] | mkrufky: | yeah, i bet |
| [19:56:16] | jroysdon: | of course, there are a few burried spots where you can get to livetv, but they don't know them ;-p |
| [19:56:49] | jroysdon: | s/burried/buried |
| [19:57:14] | mkrufky: | ah |
| [19:57:54] | jroysdon: | bah, trying to update with sdxmltvsetup.sh and I get: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'mythtv.home.roysdon.modesto.ca.us' (using password: YES) |
| [19:58:15] | jroysdon: | Any ideas? |
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| [19:58:49] | mkrufky: | i think thats a mysql access denied |
| [19:59:52] | jroysdon: | yeah, I know, but why? seems as root the mythfilldb.sh scrip doesn't work, but it works as the mythtv user itself |
| [20:00:05] | jroysdon: | May not be that big of a deal, I guess.. |
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| [20:01:08] | mkrufky: | user settings in mysql |
| [20:01:16] | mkrufky: | maybe you gave access to mythtv but not root |
| [20:01:22] | jroysdon: | mkrufky, not sure what else you're trying to do, but I also use parental controls to filter what the kids can get to. I've got smaller ones, so they can only watch what their Mom and I have moved to the "approved" filter group. To get to the other stuff, the parental password is needed. |
| [20:01:27] | mkrufky: | if it works as non-root, then IMHO you're better off that way |
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| [20:01:35] | jroysdon: | mkrufky, yup, so I'll just leave it |
| [20:01:58] | jroysdon: | Good, I have listings info again... odd |
| [20:02:16] | jroysdon: | I mean, I never changed anything with mythfilldb.sh or that sort of thing since the SD change in Aug/Sept, and just last week it stopped working. |
| [20:02:19] | jroysdon: | Oh well. |
| [20:02:30] | mkrufky: | i dont really need parental controls.... just i plan that one day (in a month of sundays, lol) i'd like to set up a few extra myth frontends around the house, with view-only access, such that users cannot trigger any recordings / deletions / access to any dvb capture hardware, etc |
| [20:03:08] | jroysdon: | right, editing mainmenu.xml is perfect for that |
| [20:03:19] | mkrufky: | but im not asking for help right now, and i dont even know if all that access / protection is available yet |
| [20:03:34] | mkrufky: | (im too busy writing new drivers to set up new frontend boxes ;-) ) |
| [20:03:57] | venger: | is it possible to terminate an RG59 or RG6 cable and test connection quality with an ohmeter? |
| [20:04:13] | GreyFoxx: | mkrufky: I'm putting afrontend in my daughters room and I'll be trimming the menus too |
| [20:04:16] | ** jroysdon doesn't know that sort of wiring stuff ** | |
| [20:04:38] | mkrufky: | i was actually thinking of letting my neighbor connect to my mythtv network |
| [20:04:39] | GreyFoxx: | and add code so that her frontend can't delete recordings/edit schedules from the watch recordings screen too :) |
| [20:04:43] | mkrufky: | and let him have view only access |
| [20:04:58] | jroysdon: | Anyone else having issues with SD data though? Like on PBS, all the "Nova" shows have the same exact info for the next week... but I can go to the local PBS station websites and see that it is not true... |
| [20:05:07] | mkrufky: | if you add such code, plz add to the mythtv repo :-D |
| [20:05:48] | GreyFoxx: | jroysdon: a lot of the stations don't send the updated info to TMS |
| [20:06:09] | jroysdon: | GreyFoxx, they did before... it hasn't always been messed up like this. |
| [20:06:25] | jroysdon: | What is the best route to go, complain to the local PBS stations and ask them to update their info with TMS? |
| [20:06:26] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, well I use to weight 170 pounds, but things change :) |
| [20:06:51] | GreyFoxx: | jroysdon: You can submit a ticket to SD which will bring it up with TMS |
| [20:06:52] | mkrufky: | jroysdon: dont bother — there's nothing new on television 'till next week |
| [20:06:52] | jroysdon: | mkrufky, I'm not sure where you're at, but sharing shows like that is probably just as troublesome as sharing a live CableTV feed |
| [20:07:09] | mkrufky: | its easy, jroysdon |
| [20:07:17] | mkrufky: | jroysdon: i live in new york |
| [20:07:19] | jroysdon: | mkrufky, well, this PBS thing (and on a few other stations) hasn't been correct for a few months... |
| [20:07:22] | mkrufky: | neighbors are closer than you think |
| [20:07:44] | jroysdon: | mkrufky, I don't doubt that, but I'd never want any law enforcement to have any legal right to search and seisure in my house. |
| [20:07:52] | GreyFoxx: | I feed a frontend into my neighbour (Duplex and my neighbour is my mother in law) |
| [20:07:53] | mkrufky: | umm |
| [20:07:55] | jroysdon: | While I have nothing illegal to hide, I just wouldn't want the hassle. |
| [20:08:04] | mkrufky: | i know my neighbor since high school |
| [20:08:19] | GreyFoxx: | I have the FE in my basement running on a slave backend. And I use a modulator to put the output onto channel 4 which I feed into her house |
| [20:08:27] | jroysdon: | Nothing to do with trusting that neighbor or not, but consider if that neighbor had a friend, etc. |
| [20:08:36] | mkrufky: | all i was gonna do is give him an ssh tunnel to my mythfrontend, we're both on the same subnet of time warner, so the lag should be trivial |
| [20:08:37] | GreyFoxx: | and she uses a remote with an IR extender to change channels on the FE in my basement |
| [20:08:44] | mkrufky: | to my myth network, that is |
| [20:09:02] | jroysdon: | mkrufky, I think the idea is cool, but the licensing models of things is messed up |
| [20:09:08] | The-1: | is there a guide out there for n00bs on how to install kanotix,mythtv,sasc-ng? |
| [20:09:12] | The-1: | please help |
| [20:09:23] | justinh: | The-1: you won't get any help with that last thing in here |
| [20:09:38] | The-1: | o ok im sorry |
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| [20:09:49] | mkrufky: | lol, i was just trying to let him watch "this week's new episode" without having to wait for me to come home from work |
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| [20:11:26] | jroysdon: | mkrufky, yup, I totally get what you're saying. I think we should be able to do that, but my understading of licensing is that we cannot. You're essentially broadcasting the show to your neighbor. You're allowed to time-shift for your own personal/household use, but not to anyone else. Just my two cents and my take on it all.. |
| [20:11:44] | The-1: | how bout the first 2 items? |
| [20:11:52] | mkrufky: | ok, good thing i am not actually doing this |
| [20:11:55] | mkrufky: | just thinking about it |
| [20:12:30] | mkrufky: | my tv is better than his anyway.... he can wait till im home from work |
| [20:12:37] | jroysdon: | lol! |
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| [20:13:08] | mkrufky: | btw, if anybody is into HEROES, today's graphic novel was awesome |
| [20:15:45] | jroysdon: | Is it possible to have a PVR500 (essentially two PVR-150s) with the CATV/coax connection of each connected to a CableTV connection, and the RCA connection connected to another device (say for input from a VCR) and record 3 things at once? In other words, can the PVR-150 record from two inputs on the same card at the same time, or just one? |
| [20:16:31] | jroysdon: | I mean, I know I can do it as I have it connected that way now, but I wonder if I ever had two CableTV things recording at once if it would mess things up if I tried to record from the RCA input... |
| [20:16:37] | Yahooadam: | no jroysdon |
| [20:16:45] | Yahooadam: | there are only 2 mpeg2 encoders on the card |
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| [20:19:02] | jroysdon: | ok, not a problem, but I guess if I wanted to get OTA as well as two CableTV inputs I'd want another PVR500 then. |
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| [20:20:54] | Yahooadam: | or a PVR150 if you just want 1 more channel |
| [20:21:00] | jroysdon: | Is there a way to "fix" SD data? I guess they get it from TMS, but I mean a way for me to push the data to them? It's really not that hard, I just go to my two local PBS sites and get the schedule info, but it is a pain to manually schedule things (I guess I can just override telling it to record, but it then has incorrect show subtitle and desc info) |
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| [20:21:23] | jroysdon: | Yahooadam, that's true, but this way I could have an OTA plus a vcr input |
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| [20:21:49] | Yahooadam: | whats wrong with the SD data? |
| [20:22:12] | jroysdon: | Like I said earlier, all the PBS listings of Nova and Nature show the same episode. |
| [20:22:17] | EnderTheThird: | jroysdon, you can also manually change the xml id for a channel if SD doesn't put the correct one in there, or if it doesn't put on on there at all |
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| [20:22:43] | Yahooadam: | phpmyadmin and mythweb should be requirements for mythtv-backend ;) |
| [20:23:08] | jroysdon: | EnderTheThird, yeah, but much of the time TMS/SD is correct, except it appears for these 2 shows.. |
| [20:23:09] | EnderTheThird: | jroysdon: are just the data for those 2 shows, or ALL PBS shows, incorrect? |
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| [20:23:15] | EnderTheThird: | got ya |
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| [20:23:41] | Yahooadam: | is it just those shows, or those the only ones you looked at ;) |
| [20:24:29] | jroysdon: | Just the ones I'm looking at, I'm guessing ;-p Haven't looked into the others |
| [20:24:33] | EnderTheThird: | wouldn't hurt to check zap2it's listings and make sure SD is sending the correct channel |
| [20:24:51] | jroysdon: | Actually, at the moment it appears there is just one Nova show repeating according to PBS' own lineup on their website now, so there may be no SD problem. |
| [20:24:57] | EnderTheThird: | if you view a channel from zap2it, the XML ID is the 5 digit code up in the address bar |
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| [20:25:31] | jroysdon: | Oh, it's got the right timeslot, just the wrong show sub-title/desc info, which then gets it marked as a repeat that I already have |
| [20:25:33] | EnderTheThird: | Nova is pretty awesome. You catch their Dover, PA Evolution vs. Creationism trial special? |
| [20:25:56] | jroysdon: | I did not, due to this schedule "bug" |
| [20:26:04] | jroysdon: | Rather annoyed, actually ;-p |
| [20:26:11] | EnderTheThird: | it was a while back |
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| [20:27:45] | jroysdon: | I do recall seeing it listed and/or re-run more recently, but I don't think it got recorded because the next time guide data came in it marked all the shows as whatever the latest show was. I'm going to have to make better notes of what is occuring. Is the schedule info available for things in the past, or does it just get dumped? |
| [20:28:37] | EnderTheThird: | not sure |
| [20:30:02] | EnderTheThird: | I wish the mythtv.org frontpage was updated more often, heh |
| [20:30:21] | iamlindoro: | EnderTheThird: Check out mythtvnews.com, that's probably the news feed you'd be more interested in |
| [20:30:26] | EnderTheThird: | if you weren't involved with the community at all, you'd probably assume the project was dead |
| [20:31:14] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: thanks. but even so, anyone visiting the main site might get a little discouraged when it seems nothing's been updated or done since august, which we all know isn't the case, but you get the idea |
| [20:31:40] | iamlindoro: | Meh, there's been no *release* since august, and last big news was SD... so what's missing? |
| [20:31:54] | jroysdon: | As I have two tuners, when two shows are on at once one tuner will record one show, and another tuner will record the second show. However, I see at times that one tuner is recording one show, and another show at the same time is marked as "L" (later) and will record on that same tuner in 3 hours... is that MythTV trying to keep a tuner available for livetv or something? |
| [20:32:05] | iamlindoro: | And everyone knows mythth newbies don't bother *reading* a damn thing ;) |
| [20:32:15] | EnderTheThird: | haha, i see your point :) |
| [20:32:23] | jroysdon: | Hey now, I read plenty... it was all outdated though ;-p |
| [20:32:24] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
| [20:32:36] | ** jroysdon just went with MythDora... much easier ** | |
| [20:32:42] | EnderTheThird: | would be cool if they showed a bit of "what's new" in the upcoming version, recent progress that's been made. nothing terribly often, but maybe just once a month or something |
| [20:32:53] | iamlindoro: | EnderTheThird: That's in the wiki |
| [20:33:07] | iamlindoro: | on the page for .21 |
| [20:33:14] | EnderTheThird: | i've seen it |
| [20:33:23] | EnderTheThird: | that's what convinced me to compile SVN, lol |
| [20:33:28] | iamlindoro: | Just saying that the information is *there* if people didn't just rely on the front page to tell them everything |
| [20:33:54] | iamlindoro: | no offense intended to you, you're not who I'm talking about |
| [20:34:13] | EnderTheThird: | Yeah. Google is my good friend. We go way back. |
| [20:34:20] | EnderTheThird: | None taken. |
| [20:34:51] | iamlindoro: | It's the people who come in and expect us to be their personal goole that are tiresome :) |
| [20:34:53] | iamlindoro: | er google |
| [20:35:02] | jroysdon: | http://mythtvnews.com/2007/12/29/mythtv-windo . . . tion-lately/ : "If you follow the guide, you might be able to reproduce a Windows frontend. It is still said to be crashing frequently though." Hah, something running on Windows crashes? Never! |
| [20:35:24] | EnderTheThird: | Yeah, my one experience with that the other day wore me out, haha |
| [20:35:40] | iamlindoro: | jroysdon: Heh... Well windows jokes aside, and I would never ever EVER run any part of myth on Windows, you've got to admire the hard work put in by the guy to get it working |
| [20:36:01] | iamlindoro: | I only fear for our sanity when people start seeking help with it |
| [20:36:17] | jroysdon: | heh, yeah |
| [20:36:23] | EnderTheThird: | I think the port would be great. |
| [20:36:53] | iamlindoro: | My ace in thehole is, by never running the windows port, I can truthfully claim ignorance and not help ;) |
| [20:36:58] | jroysdon: | Anyone played with Mythbuntu? Fedora/RedHat is more my thing, but it's much slower to get refreshes in newer code... |
| [20:36:59] | EnderTheThird: | If I had a roommate, I might not be able to get him to run Linux, so he wouldn't be as big a fan of me setting up MythTV because it would just suck down electricity and he couldn't use it in his room. |
| [20:37:25] | EnderTheThird: | Granted I DON'T have a roommate, but I'm sure it'll be great when the Windows port gets going. |
| [20:37:55] | EnderTheThird: | joryson: Mythbuntu worked great for me. |
| [20:37:58] | iamlindoro: | When I was in Grad School I had roommates who were computer dunces... and only one cable drop in the whole apartment... so I set up a backend and hid it in the cabinet so that I could watch in my room. :) |
| [20:38:10] | iamlindoro: | via frontend, that is |
| [20:38:37] | clever: | ive got 3 of my laptops booting off the network for a frontend |
| [20:38:48] | clever: | which solves the problem of 2 of them being xp that i cant dualboot |
| [20:38:52] | iamlindoro: | jroysdon: I have lots of experience with myth *on* Ubuntu, but have never installed via MythBuntu... it seems to be a great distro, though, for an all in one... a lot of thought and hard work put into it, and very active development |
| [20:39:51] | EnderTheThird: | jroysdon: if you do a vanilla ubuntu install, you can install "mythbuntu-control-centre" from Apt and configue everything from that. |
| [20:39:51] | iamlindoro: | Plus a lot of "nice touches" that make things easier of the new users |
| [20:40:30] | EnderTheThird: | Unless you're using the computer for Myth only, in which case just install Mythbuntu. |
| [20:40:55] | iamlindoro: | Muthbuntu/Ubuntu seem to be on a collision course... Ubuntu docs just tell you to install mythbuntu now |
| [20:41:05] | EnderTheThird: | The only thing I don't like is XFCE. All of my shortcuts from Gnome aren't there, lol. Can be changed though, of course. |
| [20:41:32] | EnderTheThird: | Haha, yeah I noticed that when 7.10 came out. I checked community docs and thought "what the hell?" |
| [20:42:04] | jroysdon: | My media box is dedicated as a myth/dhcp/print-server. I might go that route if I ever switch to Ubuntu. I number of guys at work run it. |
| [20:42:27] | jroysdon: | Yeah, just trying to keep things "light" with XFCE when you don't need all the other bells and whistles. |
| [20:42:39] | iamlindoro: | jroysdon: Yeah, setting up mythbuntu certainly doesn't *preclude* you from running it as a regular box, just not its primary aim |
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| [20:43:38] | EnderTheThird: | anyone know if 169.07 nvidia or any other linux utility lets you change dimensions of the desktop? the overscan on my DLP cuts off 1–2" from each side of my desktop |
| [20:44:03] | iamlindoro: | EnderTheThird: Have you looked at Metamodes? |
| [20:44:17] | iamlindoro: | (for use in your xorg.conf) |
| [20:44:19] | EnderTheThird: | overscan can't be fixed from service menu either. I'd have to call a tech and have them come out here and manually adjust the innards. |
| [20:44:25] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: nope. |
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| [20:45:19] | iamlindoro: | That's *probably* what you want, which is something that allows you to run, say, your current resolution... and a "metamode" of a smaller resoluion within it |
| [20:45:45] | iamlindoro: | so figure out what slightly smaller resolution would work in your current, set up a metamode for it.... and hopefully it squares up perfectly with your TV dimensions |
| [20:46:44] | EnderTheThird: | my metamode would probably be pretty much the same as my resolution for myth (i set up a custom resolution for FE so i could see all the checkboxes and whatnot for options) |
| [20:47:33] | iamlindoro: | right, I know what metamodes do, but haven't ever needed them myself, looking for a howto |
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| [20:47:58] | EnderTheThird: | most of what i'm finding is for TwinView |
| [20:49:07] | justifier: | hi, i have had my myth running for about 2 months now, its running on ubuntu fiesty with a Haupage nova-t-500 (non diversity mode) and after recent updates (i left them for a while so there were quite a few, this included a kernel update) i had to reboot, after the reboot whenever i go to watch tv i get an error saying that all tuners are in use and to stop recordings in the delete menu, no recordings are happening in the menu |
| [20:49:07] | justifier: | and none are scheduled. in the info menu it says that the tuners are "unavalible" has something happend to impementation of the driver in somee update? is there a fix? have you even heard about this before?? |
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| [20:49:53] | iamlindoro: | The fix is to NEVER let updates run on your myth box... EVER! |
| [20:49:57] | iamlindoro: | no joke |
| [20:50:22] | iamlindoro: | anyway, have you looked at the status of the cards in mythtv-setup? |
| [20:50:36] | justifier: | ill try now |
| [20:50:56] | clever: | kernel upgrades may need a driver rebuild if you had to build from source before |
| [20:51:09] | iamlindoro: | Seriously, though, unless you have a darn compelling reason, it is a bad idea to run updates on *any* working myth box |
| [20:51:25] | iamlindoro: | Especially indiscriminately |
| [20:51:43] | clever: | i do weekly svn update calls |
| [20:51:53] | clever: | but i can roll back to what i had |
| [20:51:55] | iamlindoro: | clever: We're different... I update SVN weekly too |
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| [20:52:04] | clever: | lol:) |
| [20:52:06] | iamlindoro: | but that's different from letting your package manager update *everything* |
| [20:52:18] | clever: | ayeah |
| [20:53:15] | justifier: | yea says that it cant open cards in mythtv-setup, i did have to compile the driver. shall i try that again and hope that i dont have to do a fresh? |
| [20:53:34] | EnderTheThird: | fuck. so i work at a hotel right. and we have 6+ jehovah's witnesses conventions in Toledo each summers. so now those fuckers are going to start calling over the next few weeks to make their reservations, and they are the stupidest sons of bitchs alive |
| [20:53:39] | iamlindoro: | yes, if you updated kernel, clever is exactly right... you will need to recompile your driver |
| [20:54:09] | justifier: | okay ill try that, thanks . |
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| [20:54:15] | clever: | i had to build the ivtv driver with the module assistant |
| [20:54:30] | clever: | and i will probly have to keep repeating that every time i kernel update |
| [20:54:32] | iamlindoro: | Ahhhhh... I like that. Come in, ask question, get answer, leave |
| [20:54:40] | clever: | lol |
| [20:54:41] | iamlindoro: | Nice. |
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| [20:54:53] | clever: | i idle for months after i get an answer:P |
| [20:55:00] | clever: | which is why im still here:P |
| [20:55:37] | iamlindoro: | Hahaha... but when you get an answer you don't go, "Oh, but I don't want to do it that way because I'm running blah blah blah blah on my VESA local bus capture cards whose drivers I wrote myself blah blah |
| [20:56:02] | iamlindoro: | blah blah mythtv sucks blah blah I can't believe you guys haven't thought of this blah blah." |
| [20:56:07] | justinh: | at least they said thanks |
| [20:56:11] | clever: | lol |
| [20:56:22] | EnderTheThird: | the person who knows (or thinks he knows) just enough to get himself in trouble and be frustrating as hell? |
| [20:56:22] | iamlindoro: | No no, I quite liked justifier |
| [20:56:43] | iamlindoro: | Curt, to the point, polite. I liked him indeed. |
| [20:56:51] | EnderTheThird: | my uncle is like that. he starts screwing around with the windows registry and then calls me and asks what error "1x3fg353223" means, like i fucking know |
| [20:57:07] | clever: | lol |
| [20:57:32] | ** justinh bangs his head on the desk. Oh WHY isn't my new popup menu working?! Arghhhh ** | |
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| [20:57:57] | iamlindoro: | I guess I've gotten used to people not accepting answer and it was refreshing... More often you get argument about something they read in the wiki for Ubuntu Breezy Boozehound |
| [20:58:10] | justinh: | yesterday I thought I was so smart, managing to make some working code do my bidding. and now.. ugh |
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| [20:58:39] | EnderTheThird: | I barely use Windows anymore too, so my knowledge has slacked, heh |
| [20:59:12] | clever: | i have windows on atleast 4 systems |
| [20:59:36] | clever: | and linux is able to run on 7 i think |
| [20:59:43] | justinh: | yesterday I had one working popup menu. it still works. so today I replicated the same method to plop a popup onscreen. the buttons show & can be selected – they just don't _do_ anything |
| [20:59:47] | EnderTheThird: | I have a few VMs of XP and Vista, but that's mostly just for Office. |
| [20:59:51] | clever: | some are netbooting and normaly run xp |
| [21:00:13] | EnderTheThird: | It would be for the odd USB device with Windows only software, but I've been having trouble getting USB to pass through into the VMs with Virtualbox |
| [21:01:22] | clever: | dad needs a special xp install on his work laptop for the vpn and stuff to do his job |
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| [21:09:15] | EnderTheThird: | I got my Kubuntu CDs in the mail the other day. Their CD and sleeve artwork isn't anywhere near as pretty as Ubuntu's. :) |
| [21:10:09] | clever: | they are nearly identical in software:P |
| [21:10:29] | clever: | the only diff is what packages it installs by default and which ones are provided on disk |
| [21:10:32] | EnderTheThird: | I know |
| [21:10:45] | clever: | and the livecd may be kde |
| [21:10:58] | EnderTheThird: | Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE instead of Gnome, that's all |
| [21:11:36] | clever: | yep |
| [21:11:43] | clever: | ive even converted one of my systems over |
| [21:11:46] | directhex: | i tried kubuntu yesterday |
| [21:11:52] | directhex: | and my first experience with kde for about 3 years |
| [21:11:55] | clever: | i just installed kubuntu-desktop |
| [21:12:22] | EnderTheThird: | I'm so used to Gnome, I don't think I could switch at this point. Don't really care to either. |
| [21:12:37] | directhex: | my straightforward review is: "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, okay, now quit kidding now :)" |
| [21:13:09] | directhex: | only one app could be relied upon to work without falling over or failing in some critical way – KCrashHandler |
| [21:13:13] | rushfan: | Yeah I could never switch to gnome |
| [21:13:25] | rushfan: | directhex: KDE isnt that bad |
| [21:13:29] | rushfan: | In fact it rarely crashes at all for |
| [21:13:32] | rushfan: | me* |
| [21:13:44] | EnderTheThird: | They're just different. Let's not get into that war now, heh. |
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| [21:13:56] | rushfan: | speaking of being different |
| [21:13:59] | clever: | i find gnome and kde to both be stable |
| [21:14:03] | rushfan: | EnderTheThird: do you know how I can discriminate with my frontends? |
| [21:14:04] | clever: | neither crashes very often |
| [21:14:23] | directhex: | rushfan, kopete crashed when i tried to, um, sign into anything. so did kwallet. amarok crashed when i tried to play some music. konqueror crashed when i tried to look at some flash |
| [21:14:37] | rushfan: | directhex: wtf |
| [21:14:40] | rushfan: | Sucks for you |
| [21:14:42] | rushfan: | I never had those issue |
| [21:14:45] | clever: | ive never had that much trouble:P |
| [21:14:55] | rushfan: | Yeah seriously. What distro are you using directhex ? |
| [21:14:59] | directhex: | i just calls 'em like i sees 'em |
| [21:15:04] | directhex: | rushfan, it was kubuntu 7.10 |
| [21:15:11] | rushfan: | Well, kubuntu does suck. |
| [21:15:13] | EnderTheThird: | rushfan, how's that? |
| [21:15:15] | rushfan: | Just like Ubuntu sucks. |
| [21:15:21] | rushfan: | EnderTheThird: hows what? |
| [21:15:21] | clever: | ubuntu 6.06 here with kubuntu-desktop installed |
| [21:15:50] | EnderTheThird: | you said something about discriminating with your FEs |
| [21:15:54] | rushfan: | EnderTheThird: yes |
| [21:16:03] | rushfan: | I want to make it so one frontend has no access to the analog tuner |
| [21:16:15] | rushfan: | and I want to give the frontend on my machine higher priority for access to the tuners over the other ones |
| [21:16:51] | EnderTheThird: | oh, I don't know |
| [21:17:02] | rushfan: | Yeah I dont think it can be done :( |
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| [21:17:21] | EnderTheThird: | i was wondering the same thing not too long ago when i wanted one of my FEs to only have access to SD tuners |
| [21:17:48] | EnderTheThird: | that was when i was going to have a friend use an old CPU of mine for Myth, but I don't think that'll happen anymore. |
| [21:19:53] | EnderTheThird: | ok, time to be honest. i miss one thing from Windows XP... |
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| [21:20:20] | Aval0n: | !seen |torg| |
| [21:20:20] | MythLogBot: | |torg| was last seen 1 day 7 hours 11 minutes 51 seconds ago |
| [21:20:24] | EnderTheThird: | Spider Solitaire. It's hint animation is way better than the one for Gnome (which is just a text thing it brings up) |
| [21:20:35] | EnderTheThird: | *its |
| [21:21:15] | clever: | throw it into wine! |
| [21:21:18] | Aval0n: | guys for some weird reason when I playback an HD recording, about 15 minutes into the show it starts stuttering. It's almost exactly once every second. |
| [21:21:23] | Aval0n: | I can't figure out what is going on |
| [21:21:30] | Aval0n: | nothing else is recording |
| [21:21:35] | Aval0n: | no other active frontends |
| [21:21:36] | directhex: | directhex@piper:~$ wine /media/senor_diskingham/WINDOWS/system32/spider.exe |
| [21:21:37] | rushfan: | Aval0n: I get that too randomoly |
| [21:21:50] | Aval0n: | any clue what causes it for you? |
| [21:21:55] | Aval0n: | what version are you running? |
| [21:22:29] | directhex: | aw nuts, the hint animation doesn't work in wine |
| [21:22:37] | EnderTheThird: | You guys running SVN? |
| [21:22:41] | Aval0n: | I am |
| [21:22:46] | Aval0n: | probably not current SVN |
| [21:22:55] | EnderTheThird: | i am too, and i'll get that stuttering sometimes too. I didn't get it with .20–2 |
| [21:23:07] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [21:23:11] | EnderTheThird: | I'm not sure about the frequency, but it has been stuttering. |
| [21:23:17] | EnderTheThird: | And I never got that before. |
| [21:23:29] | Aval0n: | is there a way to disable the passworded frontend search on SVN? |
| [21:23:41] | Aval0n: | it's gets annoying if I have to reboot and have no keyboard/mouse on my HTPC |
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| [21:24:52] | gpd: | i'm in the UK and have been away from my mythbox for a week and now i log in and there are no listings – has anything changed? |
| [21:25:00] | EnderTheThird: | directhex: damn! (about the hint animation) |
| [21:26:15] | EnderTheThird: | directhex: but in Windows, I miss "Alt + L Click" to move windows around a LOT more, heh |
| [21:26:27] | iamlindoro: | gpd: I heard something to the effect of there not being anything after 1-1–08, not sure why |
| [21:26:31] | directhex: | i miss aptitude |
| [21:26:48] | EnderTheThird: | that too, he |
| [21:26:50] | EnderTheThird: | *he |
| [21:26:52] | EnderTheThird: | shit! |
| [21:26:53] | tank-man: | EnderTheThird, i can do that in kde |
| [21:26:53] | EnderTheThird: | *heh |
| [21:27:11] | tank-man: | oh sorry, misread what you said |
| [21:27:15] | EnderTheThird: | tank-man: didn't mean anything about kde :) |
| [21:27:19] | EnderTheThird: | nvm |
| [21:27:24] | gpd: | iamlindoro: this is what i am finding – running mythfill now – but check elsewhere |
| [21:28:03] | iamlindoro: | One of the UK guys is bound to be able to give you a better understanding of why it's happening, and any workaround... not being in the UK, I just didn't pay much attention |
| [21:29:10] | gpd: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7056 <-- radiotimes issue it seems |
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| [21:31:11] | iamlindoro: | at least they're looking into it... Prior to getting SchedulesDirect here, we were SOL if something didn't work |
| [21:31:33] | EnderTheThird: | yeah, no joke. i was worried about that for a while |
| [21:31:47] | EnderTheThird: | especially after spending so much to get my BE set up |
| [21:32:57] | kusznir: | Hi all: Does LVM2 add signfiiant I/O overhead? My myth box seems to be IO bound a lot (I often have problems watching a show and comm flagging at the same time, and I've tracked it down to very high IO wait). I have two EIDE drives (different IDE busses) LVM'ed together. |
| [21:33:42] | Aval0n: | guys I can't find bitrate settings on SVN anymore |
| [21:33:47] | Aval0n: | where did they go? |
| [21:35:49] | EnderTheThird: | not sure |
| [21:37:21] | clever: | what programs are normaly used to cross compile .exe files from linux? |
| [21:37:34] | iamlindoro: | Mingw |
| [21:37:40] | clever: | ah |
| [21:38:21] | clever: | im just wondering if i could build a mythfrontend.exe without having to put the whole compiler into the xp system |
| [21:38:33] | iamlindoro: | Probably not |
| [21:38:36] | EnderTheThird: | are there any GUI creation tools for giving a CLI app a GUI? |
| [21:38:41] | clever: | to basicaly build it on 1 and then just move the exe's and dll's over |
| [21:38:43] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro are bitrates still customizeable in SVN? |
| [21:38:47] | Aval0n: | I am not seeing them |
| [21:39:07] | iamlindoro: | Aval0n: I so seldom set them that I haven't looked at them in ages, let me look |
| [21:39:12] | clever: | Aval0n: i can edit the record bitrates for my framegrabber pvr150 and transcoding |
| [21:39:22] | Aval0n: | under where? |
| [21:39:25] | Aval0n: | recording profiles? |
| [21:39:29] | clever: | yep |
| [21:39:36] | Aval0n: | hmm im must have missed them |
| [21:39:37] | iamlindoro: | Hrm, still same place as always, yea |
| [21:39:46] | Aval0n: | thanks iamlindoro going to play with it |
| [21:39:53] | iamlindoro: | Third page of a given recording profile |
| [21:39:59] | ** Aval0n is away, ZZzZZ [l/][p/] ** | |
| [21:41:37] | EnderTheThird: | Is what's after the Z's supposed to make an image, because I'm not seeing it. |
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| [21:46:28] | Aval0n: | damn |
| [21:46:33] | Aval0n: | I think my problem is overheating |
| [21:46:41] | Aval0n: | I just took the damned thing out of the entertainment center |
| [21:46:44] | EnderTheThird: | for the HD skipping? |
| [21:46:48] | Aval0n: | when I touched the heatsink on the video card |
| [21:47:00] | Aval0n: | it freaking was so hot I couldn't even touch it |
| [21:47:02] | Aval0n: | yeah for HD skipping |
| [21:47:13] | Aval0n: | I installed 2 fans to evac the hot air out too |
| [21:47:22] | Aval0n: | cpu is 45C |
| [21:47:32] | Aval0n: | which is ok but I think the vid card is baking |
| [21:47:39] | Aval0n: | it's a passive cooled |
| [21:47:41] | Aval0n: | so no fan on it |
| [21:47:47] | EnderTheThird: | i don't know. i'm getting it and nothing has changed with my cooling or setup |
| [21:47:51] | EnderTheThird: | aside from SVN |
| [21:48:14] | Aval0n: | describe what happens to you |
| [21:49:00] | Aval0n: | mine is fine for about 10–15 minutes |
| [21:49:03] | EnderTheThird: | video will just freeze for a few seconds, and resume normally after that |
| [21:49:07] | Aval0n: | then skip.. skip.. skip.. |
| [21:49:14] | Aval0n: | see it doesn't freeze for seconds |
| [21:49:17] | EnderTheThird: | i haven't been viewing/tracking it enough to determine any timing or anything |
| [21:49:21] | Aval0n: | its less then a half second stutter |
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| [21:49:23] | EnderTheThird: | oh, yours skips continuously and shit? |
| [21:49:28] | Aval0n: | yes |
| [21:49:30] | EnderTheThird: | mine's just a couple times per show |
| [21:49:36] | Aval0n: | shit I'de be happy with that |
| [21:49:39] | EnderTheThird: | lol |
| [21:49:41] | Aval0n: | that can just be weak signal |
| [21:49:53] | Aval0n: | I mean shit use a ATSC antenna and see how many times it does that for you lol |
| [21:49:56] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [21:50:07] | EnderTheThird: | i use ClearQAM |
| [21:50:15] | EnderTheThird: | still get some garbled crap every now and then |
| [21:50:19] | Aval0n: | :)P |
| [21:50:20] | EnderTheThird: | mostly happened with CW |
| [21:50:30] | Aval0n: | well shit I don't know what I'm going to do then |
| [21:50:41] | Aval0n: | I apparantly can't keep this sucker in my cabinet |
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| [21:50:52] | Aval0n: | even after I drilled the shit out of it to install fans |
| [21:51:11] | EnderTheThird: | just hide it somewhere else and get a longer USB cable for your keyboard or IR receiver |
| [21:51:35] | Aval0n: | yeah it's a desktop style htpc cause though |
| [21:51:39] | Aval0n: | can't set it on it's side |
| [21:51:42] | EnderTheThird: | oh, got ya |
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| [21:52:11] | EnderTheThird: | i was going to get one of those, but then i opted for the cheap $50 case instead. much easier on my wallet than the cool looking HTPC cases |
| [21:52:22] | EnderTheThird: | or was it $40? |
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| [21:55:51] | EnderTheThird: | any of you guys seen Sweeney Todd? |
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| [22:02:10] | |Torg|: | can anyone here help me with my console on an HDTV system? |
| [22:06:54] | EnderTheThird: | what do you mean? |
| [22:06:58] | EnderTheThird: | your console? |
| [22:07:07] | |Torg|: | yes as in /dev/console |
| [22:07:11] | |Torg|: | or specifly al the ttys |
| [22:07:45] | |Torg|: | my tv overscans (or is it underscan I cant remember) effectily cutting off about 5 colums on the terminal |
| [22:08:01] | |Torg|: | im thinking its along the lines of a frame buffer console, but I have never set one up |
| [22:08:09] | EnderTheThird: | ooooh, i know what you mean now. sorry, i can't help, even though i have the same damn problem |
| [22:08:26] | EnderTheThird: | one guy suggested metamodes, but that would only help you with X |
| [22:08:26] | Aval0n: | hey torg |
| [22:08:35] | Aval0n: | that's the type of thing you usually help with :) |
| [22:08:38] | Aval0n: | hehe |
| [22:08:38] | |Torg|: | ive sorta lived with it for a while unitll I saw knoppmyth witha frame buffer that "fixed" it |
| [22:08:43] | |Torg|: | hey |
| [22:08:55] | Aval0n: | are you talking about setting up a porch |
| [22:09:06] | |Torg|: | yes I know how to do it in X, which is why I think a frame buffer console would work |
| [22:09:08] | Aval0n: | so you don't get your status menu bars cut off |
| [22:09:11] | Aval0n: | ahh ok |
| [22:09:38] | |Torg|: | porch is a timing for X modes, not for standard vesa settings which is what the console uses |
| [22:09:51] | Aval0n: | ahh |
| [22:10:00] | Aval0n: | remember my weird modeline |
| [22:10:08] | Aval0n: | i used nvidia settings to center scale it |
| [22:10:15] | |Torg|: | modprobbing nvidiafb didnt crate any /dev/fb entries, its why I love udev so much |
| [22:10:17] | Aval0n: | then adjusted the res to make it fit perfect |
| [22:10:19] | dans91: | torg: fbset thing maybe? |
| [22:10:23] | Aval0n: | but again doesn't help you with console |
| [22:10:45] | |Torg|: | yes but fbset comapins it has no fb and I dont know how to set the console to use /dev/fb0 instaed of /dev/tty0 |
| [22:10:49] | dans91: | torg: ah, if you dont have a framebuffer already then thats a problem :) |
| [22:10:56] | dans91: | torg: what video card? |
| [22:11:19] | |Torg|: | nvidia, hence why I modprobed nvidiafb :) |
| [22:11:58] | dans91: | torg: nvidia framebuffer can be a funny thing. And I dont mean in a "ha ha" funny way. :) |
| [22:12:10] | |Torg|: | I could just go slam in a /dev/fb and make the node but Im prtty sure udev would come in behind me and wipe it out |
| [22:12:28] | |Torg|: | it did create a fb device, or so /proc/evices tells me |
| [22:12:32] | dans91: | Like, if I switch on the framebuffer on my system, it goes completely haywire once X loads. |
| [22:12:39] | Aval0n: | torg now doesn't seem like an appropriate time to ask you for help, since it seems like you need some yourself |
| [22:12:43] | |Torg|: | I would assume its the minor of 0 off that major, but again I am not certain |
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| [22:13:05] | Aval0n: | i've kinda been waiting for you to come on |
| [22:13:06] | Aval0n: | hehehe |
| [22:13:09] | |Torg|: | I can help you if I can, this is just one are that is sort of a pain in my side |
| [22:13:13] | Aval0n: | but I'll talk to you later |
| [22:13:16] | dans91: | torg: what distro are you using? |
| [22:13:23] | |Torg|: | ubuntu |
| [22:13:37] | Aval0n: | my hd playback is skipping after 15 minutes of watching |
| [22:13:50] | Aval0n: | I'm speculating it could be overheating but i'm not sure |
| [22:14:05] | |Torg|: | skiipin as in dropping frames or skipping as in freezing then picking back up? |
| [22:15:08] | |Torg|: | does anyone have a /dev/fb0 that I can cheat from? |
| [22:16:02] | Aval0n: | stutters |
| [22:16:10] | Aval0n: | exatcly 1 second in between them |
| [22:16:15] | Aval0n: | audio and video |
| [22:16:23] | Aval0n: | only on hd recordings |
| [22:16:27] | Aval0n: | doesn't happen with livetv |
| [22:16:28] | |Torg|: | do you know what mythfrontend is doing at the time? |
| [22:16:44] | Aval0n: | i had the frontend logs going |
| [22:16:45] | |Torg|: | i.e. is it using 100% cpu? |
| [22:16:51] | Aval0n: | no |
| [22:16:53] | Aval0n: | it's not 100% |
| [22:17:11] | Aval0n: | i don't remember what it was but it was much below 100 |
| [22:17:14] | Aval0n: | it's a p4 3.4ghz HT |
| [22:17:19] | |Torg|: | its one of three things, first the driver as in the buggy as hell, pain in the ass nvidia driver |
| [22:17:33] | Aval0n: | yeah |
| [22:17:34] | Aval0n: | typical |
| [22:17:40] | |Torg|: | it could be APIC screwing with you, cat /rpco/interrupts as see what elese shares that damn interrupt |
| [22:17:52] | |Torg|: | or it could be heat, like you said, but that generaly will freeze the whole system |
| [22:18:17] | |Torg|: | since it comes back I would think it the first more then anythign else |
| [22:19:05] | Aval0n: | buggy driver |
| [22:19:07] | Aval0n: | yarg |
| [22:19:21] | Aval0n: | plays fine for 15 minutes |
| [22:19:24] | Aval0n: | and livetv is fine |
| [22:19:26] | Aval0n: | weird |
| [22:19:32] | dans91: | torg: are you running Gutsy by any chance? |
| [22:19:40] | dans91: | torg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lin . . . /+bug/135613 |
| [22:19:48] | Aval0n: | no |
| [22:19:51] | Aval0n: | fiesty |
| [22:22:51] | |Torg|: | holdon its 7.1 but I really dont get into the codenames for it |
| [22:23:28] | |Torg|: | yes gutsy, 7.1 |
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| [22:24:00] | |Torg|: | and no, this is not the same bug |
| [22:24:11] | |Torg|: | coles all work, there just cut off |
| [22:24:15] | |Torg|: | err consoles |
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| [22:25:12] | dans91: | torg: ah, fair enough. might still suggest that there is some funkiness going on in framebuggers under ubuntu (and yes, that typo was deliberate, i hate the damn things :) |
| [22:25:14] | directhex: | 7.10 |
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| [22:26:02] | |Torg|: | I foolishly updated by myth boxes to the same disto by desktop was |
| [22:26:09] | dans91: | hah |
| [22:26:22] | |Torg|: | its close enough to Debina to make me think I know what the hell its doing :P |
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| [22:26:32] | dans91: | Actually myth on 7.10 has been a dream for all the people I know |
| [22:26:42] | |Torg|: | myth work fine |
| [22:26:51] | dans91: | Its just the rest of the system? hehe |
| [22:26:56] | |Torg|: | yes |
| [22:27:27] | |Torg|: | things to fix, sound driver inits muted, ttys get cut off, sometimes deinterlace just dosnt |
| [22:27:33] | |Torg|: | other then that, it works fine |
| [22:37:08] | rushfan: | |Torg|: right so ditch ubuntu and fix it all |
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| [22:47:10] | squish102: | what do people use to conver a HD recording in mpeg2 to something more managable? if nuvexport, what are typical settings? |
| [22:47:25] | squish102: | ive tried xvid with quant = 4 and video bitrate = 1100 and size = 720x480. size dropped but it looks very bad |
| [22:47:32] | iamlindoro: | squish102: I use a User Job script |
| [22:47:50] | iamlindoro: | Converts to a 1 GB x.264/AAC |
| [22:47:54] | directhex: | why bother capturing HD if you're going to lower it to dvd res? |
| [22:47:55] | squish102: | iamlindoro, use ffmpeg directly then? |
| [22:47:58] | iamlindoro: | for an hourlong show, that is |
| [22:48:04] | iamlindoro: | squish102: Yep |
| [22:48:23] | iamlindoro: | directhex: In my case it's to 720p |
| [22:48:25] | squish102: | directhex, my capture card is HD unfortunatly ;) |
| [22:48:51] | EnderTheThird: | I should start using some codec to archive my DVD shows :-/ |
| [22:49:05] | iamlindoro: | which is a good balance between good quality, good resolution, and reasonable amount of space |
| [22:49:27] | squish102: | iamlindoro, so u record and then leave it in recordings, but also make a h264 version? |
| [22:50:00] | iamlindoro: | squish102: Once I've confirmed that my x.264 version is acceptable and the encode went ok, I move it to mythvideo and erase the recording |
| [22:50:59] | squish102: | iamlindoro, if u have a second, i'd love to see your ffmpeg line ;) |
| [22:52:37] | iamlindoro: | squish102: I'll pastebin it... it's much more than a line, though... my script calculates maximum bitrate to fit in any size you want, and runs multithreaded based on your number of processors |
| [22:53:07] | squish102: | that sounds just what i am looking for |
| [22:53:25] | squish102: | ive been encoding this one show for 2 days now trying to get something that looks half decent |
| [22:54:05] | iamlindoro: | Hang on two seconds... Yeah, you are welcome to it, just need to carefully read my long comments at the top to know how to use it/set it up |
| [22:54:10] | squish102: | all different settings... but never got anything without little blocks all over |
| [22:54:11] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: much quality difference between x.264 and your HD recording? |
| [22:54:40] | squish102: | x.264 from what i have seen, is very good |
| [22:54:55] | iamlindoro: | EnderTheThird: No, not so you would notice... It's easily the equal of any 720p mkv you would download from the show... plus I set to better quality options than they probably do in trying to get it out quickly |
| [22:55:21] | iamlindoro: | I run the job on a quad, I'll gladly trade processor time for quality |
| [22:55:30] | squish102: | me too |
| [22:55:53] | EnderTheThird: | i'm on a core 2 duo. as long as it's happening on my BE, i don't care about processor time because it won't slow me down on my primary desktop |
| [22:56:09] | squish102: | i only have a amd 64, but it does not record too much stuff, and i never watch it straight after recording |
| [22:56:09] | EnderTheThird: | no quad for me though, damn, lol |
| [22:56:26] | EnderTheThird: | your quad must blaze through commflag, heh |
| [22:56:38] | squish102: | so, i dont care if it is transcoding 24x7 |
| [22:56:54] | iamlindoro: | http://www.pastebin.ca/840739 |
| [22:56:58] | squish102: | isnt commflag restricted by harddrive speed? |
| [22:57:20] | iamlindoro: | The *only* thing you should need to change is processors= and resolution= (although resolution as is is set to 720p) |
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| [22:58:05] | iamlindoro: | And make sure you set up the "pc" script as listed in the comments, should just need to cut and paste that into a file, chmod it 777, and cp it as "pc" in /usr/bin |
| [22:58:46] | iamlindoro: | and, of course, in mkdir and outdir set the part before $2 to wherever you want it to go |
| [22:58:57] | squish102: | thanks iamlindoro, im gonna work on it now :) |
| [22:59:03] | iamlindoro: | ok, good luck |
| [22:59:31] | |Torg|: | squish102: as a gernal statement, yes. Its cpu intensive but on faster cpus the disk becomes the bottleneck. Like most software either its memoery, cpu or disk if you fix one the other becomes the next bottleneck |
| [22:59:48] | iamlindoro: | processors=number of cores, so if you have 2 cores, set processors=2 |
| [22:59:53] | squish102: | it will be much better than i have been with 4–5 transcodings in the last 2 days and got nothing decent out.. dunno what i have been doing wrong |
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| [23:00:49] | squish102: | |Torg|, true... i was wondering about memory... i have 1 gig on BE... i wonder is 1.5 would be better, or help any? |
| [23:00:50] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: thanks! |
| [23:00:56] | iamlindoro: | EnderTheThird: Sure |
| [23:01:17] | EnderTheThird: | need to check it out when i get home though. this comp won't connect to pastebin for some reason |
| [23:01:24] | squish102: | trust my internet connection to give me troube now getting to that link :( |
| [23:01:31] | |Torg|: | squish102: profile it, see what top tells you, what ioscan says, etc. As a guess I would say its not memory bound, as if it were it would kill the entire system |
| [23:01:37] | iamlindoro: | Hehe, if it's both of you, may not be you :) |
| [23:01:40] | squish102: | EnderTheThird, im having same problem ;) |
| [23:02:03] | EnderTheThird: | Got ya. I was having trouble the other day too, heh. |
| [23:02:55] | squish102: | |Torg| top tells me sometimes load is around 9 with 0–30% wait, memory used + 80% of swap file... i will look at what ioscan tells me |
| [23:03:02] | |Torg|: | Ive tried transoding 1080I ATSC recordings and calling it painfull is an understatement |
| [23:03:19] | mzb: | http://openpaste.org/en/ |
| [23:03:25] | |Torg|: | 0–30% iowait is fine |
| [23:03:40] | mzb: | pastebin.ca looks flogged |
| [23:03:54] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: care to paste at openpaste real quick? |
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| [23:04:02] | squish102: | |Torg| this line below is painful |
| [23:04:03] | squish102: | processed: 90724 of 1079508 frames at 3.06 fps (8.40%, eta: 89h 45m 32s) |
| [23:04:24] | EnderTheThird: | ouch |
| [23:04:26] | iamlindoro: | Ugh... so I can't expect anyone else to empathize with this, but... I recently had my mythvideo array die, and so I decided only to rip my HD-DVDs and Blu-ray movies to the system, and to make it HD only from now on (moviewise, anyway)... But because mplayer requires heavy patching just to play them, *each* movie needs it's own custom player command with -aid, -demuxer, -acodec, etc |
| [23:04:31] | EnderTheThird: | it really is painful |
| [23:04:36] | iamlindoro: | Hold on, waiting for openpaste to open |
| [23:05:27] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: that sucks. i usually just use Internal for all my video, but none of those videos are HD |
| [23:05:46] | |Torg|: | I tired mpeg2 to mpeg2 transocding just cutting out commercails, end result is I saved 8–10% of space, 4 hours to do a damn mpeg and it cut 7.5G to 6.8, great |
| [23:06:05] | iamlindoro: | Well, the video codecs aren't really the problem... it's the new audio codecs that are only usable via lots of patching |
| [23:06:08] | |Torg|: | commerials = 1/3 of the time and 1/10 the bits |
| [23:06:10] | EnderTheThird: | though now that i think about it, i do remember trying a couple HD clips and they played like hell. wasn't sure if it was the player or it just not streaming well over the network for some reason |
| [23:06:19] | iamlindoro: | The HD video plays great if you just -noaudio it :) |
| [23:06:25] | EnderTheThird: | ha |
| [23:06:41] | EnderTheThird: | that could explain a few things then |
| [23:06:47] | |Torg|: | HD plays fine, I dump it raw out the spdif and let my suround decoder handle it |
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| [23:07:07] | iamlindoro: | Can't do that with E-AC3 and MLP |
| [23:07:15] | iamlindoro: | Which are the audio formats on Blu-ray and HD-DVD |
| [23:07:19] | tjcarter: | Okay, I'm back to thinking that I need a good way to get component video into a myth box. =p |
| [23:07:30] | iamlindoro: | tjcarter: can't |
| [23:07:33] | |Torg|: | AC3 is whats in the TS, I dont know what E-AC3 is tho |
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| [23:07:47] | iamlindoro: | http://pastebin.com/m7bdf8210 |
| [23:07:53] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro: sure you can. Some DV bridges support it. Question is can you afford them. |
| [23:08:13] | tjcarter: | Answer is ... probably not. |
| [23:08:38] | iamlindoro: | tjcarter: No, that's not the question... The DV bridges might let you dump video off of it... |
| [23:08:43] | iamlindoro: | but DV will only come in at 720x480 |
| [23:08:49] | iamlindoro: | because that's max resolution of DV |
| [23:08:54] | |Torg|: | and from tests I can definatly tell you that mplayer -ao null -vo null plays fantasic :P |
| [23:09:12] | iamlindoro: | |Torg|: Haha, fastest. Player. Ever. |
| [23:09:12] | EnderTheThird: | |torg|: i should SO try that! :-P |
| [23:09:27] | EnderTheThird: | get an old Pentium I to play every video out there. |
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| [23:09:54] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro: hm, that's a good point. |
| [23:10:15] | tjcarter: | dammit, this is starting to piss me off. |
| [23:10:41] | tjcarter: | the so-called HD transition basically isn't likely to happen for DVR users. |
| [23:10:57] | iamlindoro: | not without being reaaaaaaal sneaky/illegal |
| [23:11:47] | tjcarter: | it would be less of a big deal to me if not for the fact that MythFrontend on a Mac is a redheaded stepchild that doesn't even compile nowadays. |
| [23:11:52] | EnderTheThird: | as long as Internet media doesn't get rid of HD broadcasts from OTA or ClearQAM, i'm fine |
| [23:12:10] | tjcarter: | I get 2 channels Clear QAM. |
| [23:12:16] | iamlindoro: | EnderTheThird: They'll still be compelled to at least provide you with locals that way |
| [23:12:17] | EnderTheThird: | most other non HD-DVD or Blu-Ray HD, i don't really care |
| [23:12:21] | tjcarter: | You don't want to know what my cable bill is to get them. |
| [23:12:26] | EnderTheThird: | yeah, and i'm alright with that |
| [23:12:43] | EnderTheThird: | i just want Heroes in HD, lol |
| [23:12:46] | tjcarter: | iamlindoro: I've found the locals aren't all clear. =/ |
| [23:12:47] | dans91: | tjcarter: doesn't compile? You're running Leper? :) |
| [23:13:06] | tjcarter: | dans91: I've been using Leopard for some time now. |
| [23:13:09] | iamlindoro: | tjcarter: Then they're not complying with FCC regulations... but that's not unheard of either |
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| [23:13:23] | EnderTheThird: | if the locals aren't in the clear, report them |
| [23:13:37] | Giskard_Reventlo: | Help! My KnoppMyth R5F1 mysql installation got borked after a power failure. mysql won't start. Error is : [ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist. Googled but wasn't quite sure how to rectify this without losing my epg data |
| [23:13:55] | |Torg|: | I get 26 chanels ATSC at mostly 1080I, unfortuanly No miro la television en espanol |
| [23:14:08] | iamlindoro: | Ain't that the truth |
| [23:14:12] | tjcarter: | haha |
| [23:14:13] | EnderTheThird: | |torg|: that's hilarious, i'm sorry |
| [23:15:28] | tjcarter: | dans91: The issue for me is the lack of aspect control. |
| [23:15:32] | EnderTheThird: | i asked this earlier, but i'll try again. you guys don't know of any GUI creation tools for making a simple CLI app a little easier to use for others, do you? i was hoping to try to contribute for once, heh |
| [23:15:34] | |Torg|: | Giskard_Reventlo: use myiamcheck to ckec the mysql files offline. Unfortualy it sound as if your mysql installation is screwed up |
| [23:15:35] | iamlindoro: | Mines about the same + religious channels... but I get network, at least, and if I were into rescanning regularly, I could probably find some porn |
| [23:15:36] | dans91: | tjcarter: oh? |
| [23:15:54] | EnderTheThird: | mainly with the harmony remote flasher app that's out |
| [23:15:56] | tjcarter: | dans91: w key does nothing on a Mac except change the size and shape of the OSD. |
| [23:15:59] | dans91: | tjcarter: I've got a Tiger system and a Leopard system. Compiling SVN for leopard right now. |
| [23:16:03] | |Torg|: | EnderTheThird: vi? |
| [23:16:05] | Giskard_Reventlo: | |Torg| hang on. I'm doing that now... |
| [23:16:09] | ** directhex looks at a new teevee ** | |
| [23:16:10] | dans91: | tjcarter: ahh yes I'd heard that. |
| [23:16:32] | tjcarter: | and little things like the video stays on top of certain bits of UI like the program grid if you pull that up |
| [23:16:50] | tjcarter: | Basically, MythFrontend on a Mac blows. |
| [23:17:17] | |Torg|: | directhex: btw if you want the debs I created for my intel gutsy box your more then welcome to it, there probbly tained with my ccache and distcc but other then that they work fine |
| [23:17:18] | Giskard_Reventlo: | |Torg|: Do you mean "myisamchk"? What flags doI use? |
| [23:17:22] | dans91: | tjcarter: works great on my appletv :) |
| [23:17:24] | EnderTheThird: | |torg|: heh, funny |
| [23:17:27] | |Torg|: | yes Giskard_Reventlo |
| [23:17:37] | directhex: | |Torg|, debs of what? |
| [23:17:40] | Giskard_Reventlo: | |Torg| What flags? It needs flags |
| [23:17:51] | DustyBin: | directhex: what teevee you looking at? im in the process of researching them at the moment |
| [23:18:04] | |Torg|: | you said peple wanted to make myth work in gutsy, I didnt even know it was an isue, I jsut svn the code and compiled it like normal |
| [23:18:22] | EnderTheThird: | i made some .deb's with checkinstall, but when i tried to install the deb's it complained about fighting with libmyth-dev or some such |
| [23:18:36] | directhex: | DustyBin, just researching some potential contendors. i require a few features |
| [23:18:45] | iamlindoro: | EnderTheThird: That's what happens when you have a pacakge still installed of something you try to checkinstall |
| [23:18:45] | DustyBin: | aye ok |
| [23:18:48] | |Torg|: | Giskard_Reventlo: just -f for file myiasmchk -f *.MYI |
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| [23:18:53] | tjcarter: | dans91: I've considered a few times that the right solution is to make a myth-protocol-speaking .frapplication |
| [23:18:58] | Giskard_Reventlo: | |Torg| k |
| [23:19:01] | Kalijawan: | hey, what do i do to get openGL support for myth (so that the configure shell script says yes to opengl) |
| [23:19:15] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: so removing all myth stuff after the .deb has been made would prob get rid of that? |
| [23:19:20] | |Torg|: | EnderTheThird: you HAVE to get rid of any old myth packages |
| [23:19:25] | tjcarter: | dans91: there's no reason why corevideo and quicktime can't do all that MythFrontend does for media.. |
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| [23:19:44] | |Torg|: | ii mythplugins trunk-0.21–15237 mythplugins |
| [23:19:44] | |Torg|: | ii mythtv trunk-0.21–15237 mythtv |
| [23:19:47] | iamlindoro: | EnderTheThird: You have some vestige packaged version of *something* installed, even though it's likely your make install from SVN has copied over it. |
| [23:19:49] | EnderTheThird: | i removed the myth install, but obviously some libraries were still around where they didn't belong :) |
| [23:19:51] | |Torg|: | custom built debs |
| [23:20:10] | dans91: | tjcarter: mmm. well, i plan on playing around with it a bit now. if nothing else some work is definitely needed on trunk to make leopard usable in more than a "it starts up" sort of way. |
| [23:20:11] | iamlindoro: | EnderTheThird: Yes, so if you can get rid of all the pre-built stuff and checkinstall again, it would work |
| [23:20:27] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: thanks. i'll definitely do that next time i upgrade my SVN install |
| [23:20:35] | iamlindoro: | EnderTheThird: np |
| [23:20:36] | EnderTheThird: | it ain't broke now, so i'm not fixing it :) |
| [23:20:44] | EnderTheThird: | they mythtv motto |
| [23:20:46] | EnderTheThird: | *the |
| [23:20:57] | iamlindoro: | Haha, for some |
| [23:20:58] | |Torg|: | just dpkg -l | grep myth and see whats there, purge anything thats rc, remove anything thats ii |
| [23:21:08] | dans91: | tjcarter: And it gives me one more reason to justify why I need a Mac Pro quad to compile myth quickly ;) |
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| [23:21:14] | tjcarter: | dans91: the major issue needed last I looked was to port the patch from fink so we have a Qt that builds. |
| [23:21:14] | directhex: | |Torg|, my BE runs 0.20.2, i'll stick with the same version throughout |
| [23:21:19] | iamlindoro: | others follow the "Everything's working great. Let's see what updates are available!" school of thought |
| [23:21:33] | Giskard_Reventlo: | |Torg|: I ran the command, it gave a bunch of "myisamchk: warning: 1 client is using or hasn't closed the table properly" warnings, and that's it. mysqld still won;t start |
| [23:22:00] | |Torg|: | directhex: its called 0.21 because I called it that, no other reason, it would technialy be whatever is current in truck, the last number is svn version |
| [23:22:14] | |Torg|: | Giskard_Reventlo: did you stop mysql first? |
| [23:22:21] | directhex: | |Torg|, i don't want to track trunk if i can help it. trunk has zero WAF |
| [23:22:23] | Giskard_Reventlo: | it never started in the first place ;( |
| [23:22:56] | |Torg|: | funny thing for me is WAF is based upon theme, display and color of pc case, not software that runs on it :P |
| [23:22:59] | EnderTheThird: | hmmm, there's a lot left over from .20 that i thought i removed on there! i'll have to fix that |
| [23:23:05] | Kalijawan: | when you guys build from SVN did you get the XMLTV from an repo, or did you build it from source? on FC8 i was missing all the pearl stuff :-/ |
| [23:23:10] | EnderTheThird: | some are probably meta packages, but oh well |
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| [23:23:33] | tjcarter: | dans91: I was forced to buy a new iMac in late October, so Leopard just kinda happened. |
| [23:23:34] | dans91: | tjcarter: guess I'll find out when it eventually compiles or fails to compile :) |
| [23:23:51] | |Torg|: | Kalijawan: Im in the US, so I use SD not xmltv, thank god |
| [23:24:17] | Kalijawan: | doen't you need the xml grabber to get the SD data? |
| [23:24:22] | |Torg|: | nope |
| [23:24:28] | dans91: | tjcarter: Its not so bad. I started to think it sucked for a while, then I went back and used Windows XP for two days. :D |
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| [23:24:32] | EnderTheThird: | xml isn't req'd for SD AFAIK |
| [23:24:46] | Kalijawan: | when how do you get the listing data? |
| [23:25:00] | |Torg|: | I blvie its built in, in any case you dont do anything other then tell it your loging and password, and select a schedule |
| [23:25:11] | EnderTheThird: | ^^ what he said :) |
| [23:25:27] | Kalijawan: | yeah but when i run the mythtv-setup it says "search for XML grabber" |
| [23:25:28] | |Torg|: | go to SD, create a lineup, go to myth put in login/pass and select the lineup you created |
| [23:25:41] | Giskard_Reventlo: | |Torg| What is the best way out here? Do I re-install everything, or is there a way to recover this "mysql.host"? |
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| [23:25:48] | Kalijawan: | are you using SVN version? |
| [23:25:49] | |Torg|: | run mythfilldatabse, go eat dinner, come back, go get a scotch, come back and voila its done :P |
| [23:26:07] | |Torg|: | Giskard_Reventlo: do you have a backup of your mythconverg database? |
| [23:26:16] | iamlindoro: | Kalijawan: It says "searching for *installed* XML grabber*s* |
| [23:26:22] | Giskard_Reventlo: | |Torg| yeah I ran mythbackup once |
| [23:26:28] | iamlindoro: | SD is built in |
| [23:26:33] | |Torg|: | Kalijawan: yes, implyed by my svn, compile, crtate custom dbs, and how I version them |
| [23:26:37] | Giskard_Reventlo: | |Torg| I also ran mythrestore a few hours ago. didn;t help |
| [23:27:13] | EnderTheThird: | i think i like this theme: http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html |
| [23:27:20] | |Torg|: | Giskard_Reventlo: as a very severe restore you could wipe out mysql, resintall it, rerun the myth setup sql, then import your backup |
| [23:27:32] | |Torg|: | you would loose anything that happend between that backup and now |
| [23:27:34] | Kalijawan: | okay, hopefully next time i redo the backend i will remember i don't need that :) hehe |
| [23:27:35] | EnderTheThird: | one of the few cool ones that's not just like AppleTV or Win MCE |
| [23:27:38] | dans91: | EnderTheThird: nice :) |
| [23:27:47] | iamlindoro: | Planet Earth is the *best* thing ever shot on HD... someone needs to send everyone else to these cinematographers to learn a lesson or two |
| [23:28:07] | jarle_: | I am looking through my channel table and I find that several channels do not have a channum, and also several channels share the same channum. Is this normal and OK, or is something wrong? |
| [23:28:08] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: I've been tempted to grab that for HD DVD. Worth it then? |
| [23:28:14] | dans91: | EnderTheThird: in fact, almost exactly what i was looking for to give my appletv box a slightly more consistent feel without being boring as hell. |
| [23:28:24] | iamlindoro: | EnderTheThird: Unbelievable... I put it on every time I want to show someone what HD looks like |
| [23:28:40] | Kalijawan: | also, i got my NV .run package installed and stuff, but i only get smooth playback at 320X200; thats because i don't have GL support right? |
| [23:29:12] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro I show my neighers the NFL recordings to illustrate why i have that stupid 1970's antenna up on the roof :) |
| [23:29:17] | Giskard_Reventlo: | |Torg|: My last backup was on April 28th. I'll lose epg and schedules but I guess I can redo all that. |
| [23:29:27] | EnderTheThird: | $66. Oh deepdiscount.com, how you woo me with your deep... discounts. |
| [23:29:32] | iamlindoro: | |Torg|: That *also* is great HD... Sports looks unreal in HD |
| [23:29:35] | tjcarter: | dans91: I've been using a (probably old now) version of Pearody |
| [23:29:37] | Giskard_Reventlo: | |Torg|: This is KnoppMyth btw, so everything is pre-packaged |
| [23:29:45] | iamlindoro: | |Torg|: But soooo many of the dramas look like absolute shite |
| [23:29:48] | |Torg|: | epg and schedules you can reload, if you know sql you can extract settings and recordings and basicly let myth recreate the rest |
| [23:29:49] | tjcarter: | it has issues, but they're minor compared with MythFrontend itself ;) |
| [23:30:02] | EnderTheThird: | the compression really shows through with network HD |
| [23:30:13] | Giskard_Reventlo: | |Torg| Dunno nuch sql other than how to login anf flush privileges I'm afraid :( |
| [23:30:24] | |Torg|: | my favorite part about ATSC HD, is the bill, or rather lack there of |
| [23:30:28] | EnderTheThird: | it looks good, but when you compare it to an HD DVD, many of the broadcasts look like garbage |
| [23:31:19] | iamlindoro: | On the flip side, so many of the HD-DVD/Blu-ray discs are so poorly remastered that I look at it compared to the DVD rip and go... "meh." |
| [23:31:36] | |Torg|: | and drams look like shit becase you can see the pores on those actress faces :P |
| [23:31:57] | EnderTheThird: | Heh. Same with DVDs of some movies. We watched Highlander the other day. It looked like a 20 year old VCR tape! |
| [23:32:18] | |Torg|: | probbly becase thats where they copied it :) |
| [23:32:29] | EnderTheThird: | wouldn't surprise me |
| [23:32:36] | iamlindoro: | Still, there are the occasional discs that just blow you away... The Pirates of the Caribbean Discs look great, Planet Earth is amazing, and they generally seem to be improving steadily... by the time most people actually get a next-gen player, they'll probably be up to snuff |
| [23:32:46] | EnderTheThird: | Best Buy has a but 3 get 2 free deal with all non-boxed set HD DVDs this week |
| [23:33:03] | directhex: | DustyBin, okay, found a few models |
| [23:33:04] | |Torg|: | ill get a next gen player when they figure out how to get rid of blueray |
| [23:33:11] | EnderTheThird: | they had but 2 get 1 free last week. i'm afraid to get suckered in this week again |
| [23:33:12] | iamlindoro: | EnderTheThird: Shame about the boxed sets!! Most of what I want right now is to start replacing TV |
| [23:33:24] | dans91: | i saw Black Hawk Down on HD channel here the other week. Don't like the movie but damn it looked great :) |
| [23:33:27] | |Torg|: | or to be more exact then hddvd outstrips blueray as I dont get a Sony prodult on principal |
| [23:33:33] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: exactly! i'd kill for the Matrix and Battlestar Galactica |
| [23:33:51] | iamlindoro: | EnderTheThird: Got the matrix discs, they look astounding |
| [23:34:01] | Kalijawan: | with BluRay and HDDVD, would you have to get a bunch of proprietary connector shit to make it work with myth? |
| [23:34:05] | EnderTheThird: | |torg|: same. i don't want to get a PS3 after all the shit Sony pulls, especially just so i can further support their HD format |
| [23:34:06] | tjcarter: | I have seen some BSG in HD |
| [23:34:09] | tjcarter: | it does look cool |
| [23:34:09] | directhex: | DustyBin, i'm looking at the £650–750 price range, min requirements are 1080p, built in freeview, and a digital output for hooking up to my amp |
| [23:34:27] | iamlindoro: | Kalijawan: You just have to do some stuff that is a) difficult b) technical and c) in a shady legal area |
| [23:34:29] | dans91: | EnderTheThird: don't you guys get BSG on HD? |
| [23:34:38] | tjcarter: | no |
| [23:34:39] | Kalijawan: | because ncix is selling a HDDVD and BluRay player for $250 |
| [23:34:42] | EnderTheThird: | dans91: nope, not without premium HD channels |
| [23:34:51] | dans91: | EnderTheThird: that sucks. |
| [23:34:56] | EnderTheThird: | kalijawan: WHAT?!?! linky! |
| [23:34:58] | |Torg|: | directhex: they rape you on electronic prices I see |
| [23:35:02] | dans91: | EnderTheThird: I've been watching it on HD here for about two months :) |
| [23:35:03] | Kalijawan: | haha, shady legal area--> sounds like linux :) |
| [23:35:08] | dans91: | EnderTheThird: Free to Air :) |
| [23:35:10] | EnderTheThird: | kalijawan: oh, you don't mean combo though? |
| [23:35:12] | directhex: | |Torg|, yep |
| [23:35:15] | Kalijawan: | yeah |
| [23:35:17] | iamlindoro: | ie, in my case, connect the drives to a Windows box with AnyDVD HD, remove encryption and rip, copy to myth box, patch mplayer (if you can find the patch) and manually enter a player command for each movie |
| [23:35:20] | EnderTheThird: | dans91: go to hell! ;-) |
| [23:35:23] | tjcarter: | EnderTheThird: there are ways to get it. |
| [23:35:29] | mzb: | I've recently moved my main recording drive from the MBE to a NFS fileserver, but I'm having problems getting enough speed out of it to be able to record and watch simultaneously on the MBE+FE. Has anyone got suggestions on how they've solved NFS speed issues? |
| [23:35:49] | |Torg|: | gig e, jumbo frames |
| [23:35:58] | mzb: | 100Mb only |
| [23:36:12] | mzb: | it's only SD |
| [23:36:14] | EnderTheThird: | eh, i kinda like the simplicity of my HD DVD add-on for the 360. I'd want the same for Blu Ray if i got a player |
| [23:36:41] | mzb: | and <1MB/s ... but FE stutters when recording and playing |
| [23:36:46] | |Torg|: | wont an xbox360 play hddvd nativly? |
| [23:36:50] | directhex: | |Torg|, no |
| [23:36:50] | iamlindoro: | EnderTheThird: Well technically PS3 linux *can* rip Blu-ray |
| [23:37:00] | directhex: | |Torg|, the xbox 360 only has a dvd drive |
| [23:37:05] | mzb: | can do read or write fine, but not both |
| [23:37:07] | tjcarter: | you know I do have an unobstructed view of the eastern sky, so a dish of some sort is a possibility |
| [23:37:12] | Kalijawan: | http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=26 . . . 0Electronics <-- the sales over on it, it was $250 now its almost $300 |
| [23:37:14] | EnderTheThird: | |torg| only with the add-on drive ($180, i think) |
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| [23:37:33] | |Torg|: | silly m I use my xbox360 to play games, not watch video :P |
| [23:37:39] | EnderTheThird: | i'll grab a BR player when it's well under $200 and i can get some free movies |
| [23:37:45] | iamlindoro: | Wow, that's still a great price |
| [23:38:07] | EnderTheThird: | i mostly got my HD DVD add-on because i got a $200 bonus last year, lol |
| [23:38:17] | EnderTheThird: | good investment though |
| [23:38:25] | Kalijawan: | i'll get a BR and HD player once i get a real TV......or just get a 21" LCD monitor, hehe |
| [23:38:27] | tjcarter: | |Torg|: given what xbox360 does to those expensive HDDVD discs, I wouldn't either. |
| [23:38:55] | EnderTheThird: | tjcarter: what do you mean? |
| [23:39:18] | |Torg|: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/JVC_HD_61Z575A = bonus check |
| [23:39:26] | tjcarter: | EnderTheThird: scratching rings into discs |
| [23:39:36] | GreyFoxx: | tjcarter: doh, hadn't heard that |
| [23:39:40] | EnderTheThird: | hmmm, haven't encountered that on any of my discs |
| [23:39:47] | |Torg|: | nor have I |
| [23:39:59] | EnderTheThird: | that's most common for dipshits who go vertical -> horizontal orientation while running a disc |
| [23:40:04] | GreyFoxx: | My xbox has more use in the last week and a half for video playback than it has in the last year |
| [23:40:08] | EnderTheThird: | or vice versa |
| [23:40:11] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: yeah I was reading about the Microsoft claims on wikipedia today that this isn't a warranty issue. |
| [23:40:16] | |Torg|: | I run mine vertical all the time |
| [23:40:28] | tjcarter: | I say keep that xbox on its side, don't stand it vertical. |
| [23:40:33] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: See all the hubbub about Live? Apparently I'm not the only one who was having issues |
| [23:40:43] | mzb: | I should add that I also went to ext3 instead of XFS ... perhaps that's the problem? |
| [23:40:47] | |Torg|: | mines is vertical so it fits on the shelf :P |
| [23:40:47] | EnderTheThird: | horizontal is better for ventilation. i think you cover some vents when it's vertical |
| [23:40:51] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Nope, got a link to something? |
| [23:41:05] | ** GreyFoxx wodners if there is a good OSX upnp client, or something integrated into frontrow ** | |
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| [23:41:33] | orkid: | optical drives are more suited to operating when oriented horizontally |
| [23:41:51] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: I've considered writing one, but couldn't get a non-good upnp client working to see how it should work. |
| [23:42:35] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: http://kotaku.com/339051/xbox-live-is-very-sick-needs-a-lie-down |
| [23:42:51] | GreyFoxx: | tjcarter: I was hoping to use it as another uypnp client for testing the myth server |
| [23:43:02] | EnderTheThird: | i heard the way XBL is structured is also shit for MMOs. can't handle enough people playing together like that |
| [23:43:09] | GreyFoxx: | Though I should sit down nand get the dsm working again |
| [23:43:10] | EnderTheThird: | works flawlessly for Halo 3 though :) |
| [23:43:14] | |Torg|: | djmount dosnt work on osx? |
| [23:43:17] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: and I was hoping to begin working to replace the myth client ;) |
| [23:43:47] | tjcarter: | |Torg|: no =( |
| [23:43:55] | directhex: | tjcarter, ring scratching is an issue with some (not all) models of internal dvd drive used by the console. it's neither an issue with the hd-dvd drive, nor with consoles that aren't moved whilst the disc spins |
| [23:44:08] | directhex: | djmount doesn't work on much IME |
| [23:44:28] | Aval0n: | pfft halo3 |
| [23:44:37] | |Torg|: | works fine on my desktop, laptop, databse server, both backends and frontend |
| [23:44:42] | tjcarter: | it's pretty linux-specific for a FUSE filesystem |
| [23:44:51] | |Torg|: | only thing it DOSNT work on is my wifes XP box |
| [23:45:00] | Aval0n: | my halo3 gameplay came to a screeching halt when unreal T 3 and cod4 came out. |
| [23:45:13] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Glad I downloaded the updaets when I did :) |
| [23:45:27] | EnderTheThird: | I wish NOVA sold their specials in HD. :-/ |
| [23:45:30] | directhex: | |Torg|, it's not 64-bit clean |
| [23:45:34] | |Torg|: | whats xbox live :P |
| [23:45:39] | Aval0n: | If halo3 would have lived up to at least half of it's hype, it would have been a decent game. |
| [23:45:48] | |Torg|: | directhex: nor is my nvidia driver, I still use it |
| [23:45:52] | GreyFoxx: | Too bad they don't let the video player handle mpeg2 files too :/ |
| [23:45:56] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: No kidding... Haven't tried since then, though |
| [23:46:01] | directhex: | |Torg|, djmount fails to work on 64-bit platforms |
| [23:46:08] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Imagine it would be licensing costs, eh? |
| [23:46:15] | EnderTheThird: | h3's online is great, but the game as a whole really didn't live up to what i expected. it's fun as hell, but it's not quite up to what i expected |
| [23:46:17] | |Torg|: | directhex: I belive you, I run 32 bit tho |
| [23:46:26] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Maybe. But I don'tthink that's it |
| [23:46:32] | iamlindoro: | If they could find a way to charge you per-codec I'm sure they would |
| [23:46:35] | GreyFoxx: | the box is capable, and will play them via the media extender |
| [23:46:42] | GreyFoxx: | and it already handles mpeg2 to handle dvd's |
| [23:46:42] | Aval0n: | EnderTheThird: have you played Unreal Tournament 3? |
| [23:46:44] | iamlindoro: | ahhh ok |
| [23:46:53] | GreyFoxx: | they explicitly disable it in the video player |
| [23:46:54] | |Torg|: | if the MPAA could chage every time you watched the video they would |
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| [23:47:12] | iamlindoro: | |Torg|: And they tried!! (original divx) |
| [23:47:17] | EnderTheThird: | aval0n: nope |
| [23:47:49] | |Torg|: | its bas enough they are trying to rewrite copyright law |
| [23:48:09] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, the 360 is a disappointment from a myth frontend perspective. the ps3 does a better (though still not great) job |
| [23:48:22] | Aval0n: | it's awesome you should check it out. |
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| [23:48:43] | Aval0n: | does the xbox1 make a decent SD frontend? |
| [23:48:49] | EnderTheThird: | gotta get through orange box and cod4 first, lol |
| [23:49:00] | Aval0n: | cod4 > halo3 |
| [23:49:04] | Aval0n: | imo |
| [23:49:18] | EnderTheThird: | aval0n: i hear xbmc on xbox1 is a little shakey when running a mythtv FE |
| [23:49:22] | GreyFoxx: | directhex: As a FE it would suck with no mpeg capabilitiesk, but it works pretty well as a regular video player if oyu have xvid/divx content which is soley what I've used it for |
| [23:49:31] | GreyFoxx: | toobad about the mpeg stuff though |
| [23:49:32] | EnderTheThird: | haven't tried it myself yet though. i just got UnleashX ont here, i gotta install xbmc yet |
| [23:49:56] | ** directhex looks hungrily at new teevees ** | |
| [23:50:08] | directhex: | six sexy choices! |
| [23:50:54] | EnderTheThird: | directhex: http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/projectio . . . e=bottomline that's what i have. she's a beaut |
| [23:51:06] | EnderTheThird: | do wish i had control over overscan though. :-/ |
| [23:51:13] | directhex: | EnderTheThird, no such thing as rear projection in .uk |
| [23:51:16] | GreyFoxx: | tjcarter: It's too bad Apple doesn't have upnp support in frontrow |
| [23:51:24] | ** GreyFoxx should look at upgrading to leopard ** | |
| [23:51:57] | |Torg|: | EnderTheThird: you do realise 1080P is mostly a buzword, right? |
| [23:51:59] | directhex: | i see apple shoehorning media over daap rather than using upnp |
| [23:52:11] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: I might have a spare license and media copy shortly. |
| [23:52:20] | directhex: | |Torg|, 1080p is my new year's resolution! |
| [23:52:32] | EnderTheThird: | |torg|: yes an no. it makes a big difference when you're hooking up a PC though. my old set was 1080i and text was a whore |
| [23:52:34] | GreyFoxx: | leopard looks pretty :) |
| [23:52:47] | |Torg|: | my tv does 1080P, noboday brodcasts in it, atsc or sat in the US anyway, so the point is mute |
| [23:52:59] | |Torg|: | err moot |
| [23:53:09] | tjcarter: | |Torg|: so send it here and get yourself a 720p ;) |
| [23:53:13] | ** GreyFoxx goes to figure out how to configure frontrow to find his content ** | |
| [23:53:13] | EnderTheThird: | and i have HD DVD. most moving video isn't a HUGE difference, but finer details are noticeable |
| [23:53:38] | EnderTheThird: | 1080p isn't too much of a price jump, and if i'm gonna have it for 10+ years, i'm not gonna cheap out ya know |
| [23:53:47] | |Torg|: | it does 480I/P, 720I/P and 1080I/P everything here is bcast in 1080I so its kept in 1080I(per xord modeline) |
| [23:54:04] | tjcarter: | and nobody broadcasts in 1080p, the standard is 1080i. |
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| [23:54:39] | directhex: | there's non-broadcast 1080p media |
| [23:54:54] | EnderTheThird: | HD DVD, Blu Ray, and video games |
| [23:54:57] | |Torg|: | Im sorta old school thogh I watch tv on teh tv, play games on the consoles, etc, So I dont care about text, web broswers or desktop on my myth boxes |
| [23:55:50] | ** tjcarter ponders some of the hardware that gets used to pirate Dish ... ** | |
| [23:55:51] | EnderTheThird: | |torg|: i hear ya. 1080p isn't for everyone, mostly just dipshits who don't know what they're doing or for picky elitist bastards like me |
| [23:56:05] | tjcarter: | Hell I'd PAY for Dish if I could actually get a HD signal into Myth. |
| [23:56:14] | EnderTheThird: | tjcarter: ditto |
| [23:56:20] | dans91: | tjcarter: latest trunk compiles and runs on my MBP under Leopard. |
| [23:56:21] | directhex: | tjcarter, i'd pay for sky if i could get it digitally into myth |
| [23:56:40] | tjcarter: | and it's no secret that I'm not above breaking DRM illegally because DRM has no legitimate right to exist unbroken. |
| [23:56:59] | ** Dave321 is on time warner.... it gets me standard cable into myth ** | |
| [23:57:07] | |Torg|: | you dont like Digital Restriction Mandate? |
| [23:57:10] | tjcarter: | dans91: I figured out I had to delete old versions of stuff it downloaded previously |
| [23:57:25] | dans91: | tjcarter: ahhh. fair nuff. |
| [23:57:37] | tjcarter: | er no |
| [23:57:47] | tjcarter: | /Users/tjcarter/Source/mythtv/.osx-packager/src/qt-mac-free-3.3.6/include/qgloba l.h:187:6: error: #error "This version of Mac OS X is unsupported" |
| [23:57:55] | dans91: | o_O |
| [23:58:04] | Dave321: | hmm |
| [23:58:07] | tjcarter: | I am not fecking around with the innards of Qt. |
| [23:58:15] | tjcarter: | No way, no how. |
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| [23:58:17] | directhex: | Qt love you long time! |
| [23:58:29] | dans91: | tjcarter: I hear you :) |
| [23:58:37] | ** Dave321 hasnt been able to get the binary to run on my g3 laptio ** | |
| [23:58:37] | tjcarter: | directhex: I haven't used C++ in 12 years. |
| [23:58:42] | Dave321: | laptop |
| [23:58:50] | tjcarter: | The language has only been rewritten half a dozen times... |
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| [23:59:22] | EnderTheThird: | wooo. off work. take it easy all. later |
| [23:59:27] | tjcarter: | dans91: fink has a patch, but I'm not going to try and sort it out.. No way. |
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| [23:59:51] | tjcarter: | I'd have to relearn C++ from scratch and learn Qt. Internals. |
| [23:59:58] | dans91: | tjcarter: Well, all I did was svn trunk and run osx-packager, and it all just worked :) |
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