Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, December 31st, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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JohnQ:

roothori1k: It really isn't all that expensive..

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roothorick:

it's too much for what should be free data

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GreyFoxx:

hahahahahaha

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roothorick:

in addition, I'm already paying for the exact same information

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GreyFoxx:

You wouldn't think so if yu realized how much work goes into gathering the data and ensuring accuracy

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roothorick:

it's just on my STB

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roothorick:

GreyFoxx: more effort is put into TV advertising. Your point is?

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sinthetek:

...it will still detect/skip commercials without guide, for the record

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GreyFoxx:

My point is that $20 a year, or $0.054 a day is nothing compared to the effort required to gather the info from 8000 source points in the US along, coalate, update or changes, package and make available

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GreyFoxx:

until zap2it shutdown none of us really understood the work that goes into it'

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iamlindoro:

By that logic, then MythTV should cost money since countless hours by talented people went into making it... You want guide data for free because you are theoretically already paying for it... but mythtv cost you nothing... so think of it as a wash

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GreyFoxx:

even cable companies don't do their own, they buy the info from tribune

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sinthetek:

and it is only 3 clicks to maximize browser, reload, and go back to mythtv

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roothorick:

*sigh* no convincing some crowd

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iamlindoro:

Not to mention that the Myth Duv's STARTED SD so that they could continue to provide good service to Myth Users... and bitching about it and getting the free source is a smack in the face

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iamlindoro:

er Devs

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sinthetek:

well, to be honest, the point is that people who provide something are allowed to put whatever distribution conditions they wish

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JohnQ:

Hey.. GreyFoxx.. Maybe you'd know... is there any real difference under the hodd of MythTV between the implemtation of the "Live TV in Guide" jumppoint and just starting Live TV, and then opening the program guide from the menu?

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GreyFoxx:

roothorick: no, there isn't. IT's nice to watch free stuff (I like free stuff for the record) but we have to acknowledge the cost of stuff we want for free

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sinthetek:

and it's unethical under any circumstances to *take* what isn't freely given

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** cafuego shrugs. it's nice and free in .au :-) **

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GreyFoxx:

cafuego: Thanks to the efforts of people who donate there time yeah

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Toxicity999:

Think I'm going for an 8600GT...

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iamlindoro:

Right... and if you want Myth to work optimally, then one of those terms is you get an SD account... And if you don't like it, you can go use another piece of software, but don't come crying in here about how expensive it is

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iamlindoro:

You should have known that you needed to get an SD account *before* you set up a myth box, had you done adequate research

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GreyFoxx:

JohnQ: I believe they are different

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** otwin shrugs. it's free, sometimes illegal, unreliable and incomplete in europe **

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GreyFoxx:

roothorick: That being said there are some free alternatives/scripts

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JohnQ:

Any guesses as to why the jumppoint would not work but the other would?

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GreyFoxx:

can't really speed to their stability or how long they will keep working though

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GreyFoxx:

eerr s/speed/speak

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roothorick:

GreyFoxx: someone else pointed me down a different path, thanks

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GreyFoxx:

most of the free options are basically screenscrapers so you are at thge mercy of the sites, but they may well remain working for awhile between changes

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Dibblah:

Personally, I'd choose paying for it.

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Dibblah:

Basically because it's a guaranteed revenue source for SD. Therefore they'd be more likely to continue.

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Toxicity999:

I wanted to start paying for Schedules Direct but my hardware is literally eating up 5$ *over* my budget

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sinthetek:

nearly anything is justifiable under various circumstances, but to clear my (or possibly your) conscious i usually try to at least contribute something back if i take something for free against terms/laws, but also factor in how bad the entity is too hah

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Dibblah:

And that means that it's less likely that a commercial interest decides that there's not actually enough profit in it any more.

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sinthetek:

like music is way too expensive imo so i download it for free usually, but i still buy cds or songs on occaision and stuff to sorta mke up for it

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Dibblah:

sinthetek: That's a rather loaded example ;)

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iamlindoro:

Sorta like stealing from the poor box and church, but sometimes giving a buck or two to the homeless to make up for it

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sinthetek:

iamlidoro: exactly. and when the bishop only gives the poor 6% of the $$ and i am way poorer than that 6%...

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sinthetek:

err

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sinthetek:

that poor*

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iamlindoro:

Everyone's got an excuse for why they do morally questionable things... But all you're doing is convincing yourself, it doesn't make it any more right

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sinthetek:

that is more a matter of opinion than statement of fact

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iamlindoro:

And that is just a part of your justification

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sinthetek:

because it is more of a fact than your statement.

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iamlindoro:

Because it's simpler to believe that you follow some "different" moral code than to take responsibility for what is still, legally speaking, theft

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bahadunn:

iamlindoro: it also depends where you are located

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sinthetek:

consider all the shifts in societies' perspective of morality over the last 100 years, let alone 1000

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iamlindoro:

bahadunn: Well he's in the US, so it's theft here ;)

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roothorick:

now. The battle begins. In the red corner, my HTPC. In the blue corner, Time Warner's cable box

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sinthetek:

legality != ethical or moral

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bahadunn:

iamlindoro: I was not trying to defend sinthetek by the way

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iamlindoro:

sinthetek: This ought to be funny:

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iamlindoro:

sinthetek: and it's unethical under any circumstances to *take* what isn't freely given

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sinthetek:

that is a common misconception that law should or does dictate or reflect morality

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bahadunn:

sinthetek: if you are breaking the laws of the land how is that not related to ethical or moral thinking?

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iamlindoro:

Your words... so now that's not true?

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sinthetek:

iamlindro: i never said anything to contradict that or that my actions were completely ethical

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bahadunn:

I think moral and ethical people try not to break laws

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bahadunn:

thats just my opinion

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sinthetek:

i just said there are varying degrees of culpribility/justification depending on individual circumstances

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iamlindoro:

OK, so we both agree that it's unethical to take what's not freely given then, yes?

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sinthetek:

you nor i have any right or obligation to declare anyone is any more or less moral without knowing their specific circumstances and mindset

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iamlindoro:

I'm not calling you a criminal mastermind, just that by your own words you're behaving unethically

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sinthetek:

i never said otherwise

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iamlindoro:

There ya go, done and done

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bahadunn:

sinthetek: so you feel that a homeless child on the street staving to death has a right to steal food?

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bahadunn:

starving

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sinthetek:

bahadunn: if there is little or no alternative, yes

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roothorick:

I have my cable box sitting on an OTA standard def channel

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lupin_sansei:

What if the person they steal from then starves?

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roothorick:

test-mpeg2 returns nothing

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sinthetek:

unfortunately, such circumstances also lead to habit/impulsiveness without properly considering moral implications at times...

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bahadunn:

sinthetek: something wrong with seeking help from others?

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lupin_sansei:

Stealing is wrong regardless of need.

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roothorick:

am i SOL here?

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bahadunn:

sinthetek: asking for food perhaps?

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bahadunn:

sinthetek: offering to work to eat even?

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sinthetek:

*sigh*

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sinthetek:

ok

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bahadunn:

sinthetek: surely some compassionate person feeds the child?

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lupin_sansei:

exactly

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sinthetek:

i have been homeless and stolen food at times and i was an adult

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bahadunn:

sinthetek: then at least the child does not grow up to be a theif like yourself

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bahadunn:

sinthetek: and now you steal music

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bahadunn:

?

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sinthetek:

part of the reason was because i had had store owners threaten to call police for panhandling when i asked for money

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sinthetek:

asked customers for money*

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lupin_sansei:

Why didn't you just get a normal job?

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sinthetek:

and it's just really awkward/embarrassing going to ask people etc

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sinthetek:

lupin_sansei: that is why i had gone to that city to do

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lupin_sansei:

Walmart etc?

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lupin_sansei:

what city was it?

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bahadunn:

sinthetek: go to a church and ask for help

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sinthetek:

tampa florida

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bahadunn:

sinthetek: there are people around that would help

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lupin_sansei:

what year?

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sinthetek:

and daytona beach etc

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bahadunn:

sinthetek: homeless shelters etc...

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sinthetek:

wtf, dude

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sinthetek:

likek '99

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lupin_sansei:

surely you could get some McDonalds/Walmart job then. The US economy was BOOMING in 99

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lupin_sansei:

not to mention an IT one since the dotcom thing hadn't popped

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sinthetek:

practically 0 opportunity where i was from, i was more or less homeless first 1–2 weeks before i met people who be roommates

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lupin_sansei:

how many McDonalds did you ask at?

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sinthetek:

lupin_sansei: try getting a job immediately while homeless with 0 food and like $10 in your pocket

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sinthetek:

none, i had already been fired from a mcdonalds in the past

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bahadunn:

sinthetek: wash cars?

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sinthetek:

my first job there i believe was at a ryan's family steakhouse

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lupin_sansei:

Hey I went to Japan with a few hundred bucks, didn't speak the language, had to rent an apartment, find my way around, and get an English teaching job

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sinthetek:

what exactly are you people trying to prove?

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sinthetek:

other than badgering me?

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bahadunn:

sinthetek: that you cannot justfy doing wrong

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sinthetek:

establishing moral superiority etc?

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iamlindoro:

This conversation has reached the point of diminishing returns... The point is people with questionable ethics can split hairs down to the atomic level to justify their behaviors... When it's so easy to just say "Hey, I take responsibility, what I did was wrong." Not to mention it's far more mature.

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bahadunn:

justify

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Dibblah:

And Myth related... how?

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lupin_sansei:

Anyway what are you doing now sinthetek?

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sinthetek:

lupin_sansei: looking for work, working on trying to establish a home business

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sinthetek:

at the same time*

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lupin_sansei:

good for you

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lupin_sansei:

computer related?

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sinthetek:

business or work? both actually

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sinthetek:

i almost got hired at ibm, actually

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sinthetek:

unfortunately they shared your mentality (0 tolerance on violence/theft hiring policy)

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mzb:

that's life

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lupin_sansei:

Did you get charged for violence/theft?

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sinthetek:

withdrew offer once 7.2 old $9 gas theft came back on 7yr background check

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sinthetek:

i convinced a friend to go party with me one night and promised to have him home for work the next day...

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sinthetek:

and on the way home passed our turn

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xand:

what's with this stupid new idea of having breaks in tv programs with no adverts, just trailers etc? jeez

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sinthetek:

and we had like $2 left and i wasn't sure how far out of way we went...

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sinthetek:

it was stupid etc i know

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sinthetek:

i was like 19–20

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lupin_sansei:

did you try explaining that to IBM?

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sinthetek:

can't completely justify it, but i did spend 30 days in jail for it

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mzb:

but anyway ... rather than being a self-help + judgemental #, this # is all about MYTHTV!! or has that point been missed?

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lupin_sansei:

it's getting to Myth, just bare with us

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mzb:

you two should get a room :)

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sinthetek:

lupin_sansei: no... it was ibm where i was working and their clustering/virtualization development staff who interviewed me, but a recruiting company was doing the actual hiring

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lupin_sansei:

isn't there some limit to how long those charges show up for?

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sinthetek:

it was like a 6 month-longterm contract or something, ionon

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roothorick:

when you're trying to pull video out of a STB via firewire, what's the symptom when the channel is encrypted?

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Dibblah:

sinthetek: Noone cares.

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sinthetek:

$26/hr, medical etc

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mzb:

totally _not_ interested in long personal stories in this #

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mzb:

completely OT

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lupin_sansei:

okay point taken mzb – good luck with everything sinthetek

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roothorick:

has anyone worked with STBs and firewire before?

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sinthetek:

lupin_sansei: i explained it partially to recruiter. it showed up because, they said, background checks generally start from jan of the years in question. since it occurred in 6/00 and check was in 7/07 it showed up. i don't think they ever go away but few companies dig further than 10 years i think, but if you get caught lying about it (i got fired from food lion for it), they often kick you then as well

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sinthetek:

eof

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roothorick:

I have a feeling that this STB just won't talk to me

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roothorick:

firewire_tester gives me nothing but "failed"

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roothorick:

am I doing something wrong?

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JohnQ:

Using my PVR-500, the image is shifted up vertically... a tad is clipped off the top of the image, and there is a black bar at the bottom. It is small.. but annoying any idea how to shift it down?

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bahadunn:

how can you get tv listings for places not normal?

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bahadunn:

like I dont live in north america or asia or europe

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bahadunn:

so how do I get tv listings for where I am at?

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GreyFoxx:

where are you ?

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GreyFoxx:

There might be an xmltv grabber for your area

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bahadunn:

bahamas

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iamlindoro:

If there's no xmltv for Bahamas, then you have to write a screen scraper to turn Web listings into something MythTV can swal,low

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bahadunn:

how do I do that?

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bahadunn:

iamlindoro: when you say "write" you mean write code to do it?

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iamlindoro:

bahadunn: Yes

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JohnQ:

you know perl? python? something like that?

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bahadunn:

iamlindoro: so if I am not a coder I am screwed is that it?

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roothorick:

oh come on, is it really that uncommon to use firewire to talk to STBs?

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GreyFoxx:

bahadunn: have you checked for an xmltv grabber yet like we suggested

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GreyFoxx:

?

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GreyFoxx:

roothorick: I have 1 using firewire. a Motorola DCT6200

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iamlindoro:

Per http://xmltv.org/wiki/ there appears not to be

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bahadunn:

GreyFoxx: well I installed xmltv and there is no tv_grab_bs so I assume there is none for where I am at

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roothorick:

GreyFoxx: how do I know whether the channel is encrypted or I'm just goofing something up?

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bahadunn:

GreyFoxx: if you have an STB with firewire you do not need a tv tuner card right?

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sinthetek:

dangerous/fast driving is justified every day, btw, probably by all of you eventhough thousands die and get hurt from it every year

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GreyFoxx:

roothorick: Most people figure it out for sure by checking the service menu in the STB. IT will say the CCI value

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GreyFoxx:

bahadunn: right

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iamlindoro:

bahadunn: Only if the provider allows all the channels to pass through firewire... most don't

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bahadunn:

sinthetek: I do not drive fast

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roothorick:

GreyFoxx: what does that tell me?

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GreyFoxx:

roothorick: in my case Ihave it easy since my provider enables unencrypted firewire for all channels

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GreyFoxx:

roothorick: IF it's set to 0x02 the channel is blocked

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GreyFoxx:

you want it to say 0

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bahadunn:

so even if your STB has firewire there is a good chance you cannot use it?

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bahadunn:

man cable companies really suck

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bahadunn:

satalite probably sucks too

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jams:

you know, any time there is a code change that tends to mess things up for me it's from DTK.

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jams:

just a trend i have noticed over the last few years

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bahadunn:

everything is moving to the internet though so hopefully things will get better soon enough

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iamlindoro:

bahadunn: IPTV is just as badly DRM'ed

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AndyCap:

some of it at least. and it'll probably be more. the days of naive multicasting are numbered

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bahadunn:

iamlindoro: yeah but maybe it wont be for too long

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roothorick:

GreyFoxx: it says "undefined"

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roothorick:

instead of 0 or 2

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roothorick:

though, this is an analog channel

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iamlindoro:

Aww! 15265 adds a patch (loosely) based on mine for IMDB parental auto-set... I'm semi-proud. :)

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roothorick:

GreyFoxx: I'm getting words instead of numbers in the "src CCI" field. Either "undefined" or "once" depending on the channel

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iamlindoro:

Once is okay

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iamlindoro:

I think Copy once should allow you to record

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Toxicity999:

anyone ever used an Elitegroup P35T-A for that matter, can anyone vouch for elitegorup?

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roothorick:

waaaaaai a tic

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roothorick:

on a screen that says "COPY PROTECTION" it has "1394: disabled"

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roothorick:

does that mean even OTA chaannels are blocked?

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iamlindoro:

Probably

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roothorick:

isn't that illegal?

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iamlindoro:

FCC regulations require that the 1394 be enabled... but that doesn't mean everyone follows them

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iamlindoro:

You could get on the phone to s/Comcast/RoadRunner/Cox/etc and yell at then... may not get any result though

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: I appreciated the patch but went in a slightly different direction, thanks for it though, it wouldn't have been in this release without your patch.

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: Meh, all the same, works for me :)

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roothorick:

what is the law again? OTA HD channels must be available over firewire, right?

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iamlindoro:

roothorick: If you're going to fight that battle, best to read it yourself and know it backwards and forwards

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iamlindoro:

So you can quote chapter and verse

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roothorick:

iamlindoro: before I even go down that path I want to be confident I have a legal ground to stand on

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roothorick:

here's a question though

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iamlindoro:

And the only way you will be confident is if you read it yourself... not because you hear it in IRC

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iamlindoro:

But more or less, yes, they have to provide enable firewire that provides everything you would get OTA

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iamlindoro:

It doesn't have to be HD, but it has to be the same as the antennas, more or less

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roothorick:

well, I don't know for certain if firewire is disabled, but the service menu suggests it

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roothorick:

I need stronger evidence first

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roothorick:

ideas?

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iamlindoro:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=649140

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roothorick:

if I wanted to, I could install XP MCE on this machine and play dumb to the tech guy

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roothorick:

it's a lot of work, but WOULD get answers

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iamlindoro:

They probably don't have to support MCE any more than they do myth

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roothorick:

they're more likely to support it though

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: At least *I* got the "strange" joke ;)

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roothorick:

ergo, they won't brush me off with the "we don't support Linux" byline

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cc30:

Hello everybody

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iamlindoro:

No, it'll be the "we don't support PCs" line

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: Yeah, I almost didn't as I figure you've probably heard enough of it over the years.

[01:12:21]

iamlindoro:

Anduin: Well my father has the same name, so imagine how he felt during Vietnam :)

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iamlindoro:

roothorick: Did you follow http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire, for reference?

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roothorick:

iamlindoro: yes. Haven't gotten jack out of the box so far with any of the tools mentioned.

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iamlindoro:

What does firewire_tester yield?

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roothorick:

a steady stream of "failed"s

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roothorick:

regardless of settings

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iamlindoro:

Then it's a pretty fair bet that your firewire on the box is outright disabled

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roothorick:

it DOES show up in plugreport however

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iamlindoro:

I'm not sure it wouldn't regardless

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roothorick:

that's what i'm thinking

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roothorick:

time for a phone call

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iamlindoro:

MAke sure you know the exact FCC reg before you do

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J-e-f-f-A:

I think the HD Tivo boxes use firewire, so perhaps you can tell them you're trying to use it with that...

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iamlindoro:

And also realize that it's not a law, it's a regulation, and that the two are different

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iamlindoro:

IE, it's not breaking a law, it's failing to comply with regulatory standards... which can get licenses revoked... but they'd have to do it an awful lot for that to happen and they have wayyyy too much money

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iamlindoro:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . iew_threaded

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iamlindoro:

Read that before you call

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iamlindoro:

And remember that the threat is of *lawsuit*, not arrest.. it is *not* a criminal offense not to give you firewire

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roothorick:

I knew that

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roothorick:

one problem though

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roothorick:

if they don't take the lawsuit threat seriously, I don't have the means to follow suit

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iamlindoro:

That's what they count on

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iamlindoro:

So catch flies with honey instead

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roothorick:

care to elaborate on that/

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iamlindoro:

You have a "friend" who mentioned it was weird that you couldn't get cable over firewire because his account at <competitorname> can... and today he e-mailed you an FCC regulation about how everyone's supposed to be doing it... can they explain why that's the case? Maybe it's just an oversight and they forgot to enable it on your box?

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iamlindoro:

that kind of approach

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roothorick:

ah, I see

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iamlindoro:

Then if they refuse you talk about writing your senator, and speaking to the FCC and/or organizing a class action

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iamlindoro:

and they are farrrr more scared of a class action than one guy suing them

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iamlindoro:

anyway, that's how I'd approach it, anyway

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iamlindoro:

erm, those anyways were redundant redundant

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lupin_sansei:

I'm going to backup myth. Is it okay to delete everything in the backup folder that's there now before I begin?

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justinh:

wouldn't harm to have more than one backup :)

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roothorick:

thankfully, this is TWC in wisconsin, they're very good about customer service

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** justinh wonders where the notion that IPTV is 'over the internet' comes from **

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lupin_sansei:

the IP in IPTV?

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roothorick:

Internet Protocol

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justinh:

internet protocol != over the internet

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roothorick:

yeeah, THAT Internet Protocol

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lupin_sansei:

no but that's what leads people to think it

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justinh:

you could always be bolshy & just say the 'IP' stands for 'Intellectual Property' :P

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squish102:

i wonder if another 500 meg in my mythbuntu box will help. it currently has 1 gig?

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justinh:

as in "NO you can't use it with your own hardware"

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roothorick:

you telling me that IPTV doesn't use TCP/IP?

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justinh:

roothorick: I use TCP/IP connections at home, and amazingly they don't all go out on the internet

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roothorick:

yeah, I know

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roothorick:

but someone was implying that IPTV doesn't use TCP/IP

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roothorick:

or I misread something

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justinh:

you misread I think

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roothorick:

gah, probably

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roothorick:

small fontt

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justinh:

there's just a generalisation that IPTV is delivered over the internet – I think that while maybe one day it'll be practical – in reality right now it's all nicely bundled up & routed tightly for the most part

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J-e-f-f-A:

roothorick: No, justinh was just saying that IPTV isn't necessarily sourced over the internet.

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roothorick:

okay then

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lupin_sansei:

how does it get there for IPTV out of interest? Is it a private cable network?

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roothorick:

I know Time Warner's STBs are IPTV capable, not sure if they actually use it

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justinh:

lupin_sansei: private networks

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J-e-f-f-A:

roothorick: Just like you don't need to have an internet connection to use TCP/IP with your home network.

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roothorick:

lupin_sansei: STB with built in cable modem typically

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lupin_sansei:

ok

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justinh:

sometimes multicast IP, sometimes not

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roothorick:

farking touchpad

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roothorick:

way too sensitive

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javatexan:

howdy all!!!

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lupin_sansei:

what up

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javatexan:

i am having trouble ripping from DVD

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javatexan:

I think it has to do with my user

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justinh:

yeahhhhhhhhhhhh bwoy. in the place to be, one two one two... damn these painkillers are good

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javatexan:

i keep getting errors where I have to do everything it seems in sudo

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justinh:

javatexan: so give your user permission to write to the dir where rips are to be stored

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javatexan:

so I am guessing that the process is working, just cant write the files ive tried chmod -R 777 on my recordings folder but doesnt seem to help

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javatexan:

welll sudo chmod...LOL

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justinh:

I can never remember where mythdvd has its location for storing rips by default but it's more than likely the mythvideo directory

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roothorick:

mmm, white rabbit

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javatexan:

at the end of the rip it says Something is thinking

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javatexan:

and then the transcode just stops and says there are no pending jobs

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justinh:

I don't think I've ever backed up a DVD in linux

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javatexan:

me neiter...this is odd

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justinh:

nothing odd about it if the user you run mythfrontend as doesn't have permission to write to whatever directory mythdvd is trying to put the rip into

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javatexan:

true

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javatexan:

so when trans goes to do it ....nobody home eh?

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javatexan:

i added my user to mythtv and root....shouldn't that work?

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justinh:

to the groups? that should work I think

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justinh:

maybe you have to log out & back in again I dunno

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javatexan:

ah the infamous restart.....LOL that would explain a lot actually

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justinh:

permissions aren't one of the things I've spent time playing with if I'm totally honest

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javatexan:

me neither...they usually just work....LOL

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javatexan:

although I have noticed having to do everything in sudo....very annoying

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justinh:

yeah well believe me when I say it's for your own good

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lupin_sansei:

woo hoo my drive upgrade worked

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lupin_sansei:

80GB => 500GB

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justinh:

when I was still a bit wet behind the ears as a gentoo user I used to do everything as root. one day went to wipe out a directory, got a slash in the wrong place & took out /

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javatexan:

LOL....yep...thats what happens when I program in perl..everything else I am fine at....just perl does that to me....LOL

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lupin_sansei:

I'm pretty good at perl if you need a hand

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Daviey:

9

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justinh:

I've been making a plugin the last couple of days. I genuinely don't know exactly what I'm doing but I've made it do what I want it to by hook or by crook

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javatexan:

I like it for processing text

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lupin_sansei:

yes it rocks for that

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Daviey:

I once as root, rm -rf $UNDEFINED_VARIABLE/ which = rm -rf / .. :(

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lupin_sansei:

takes a while to get your head around it

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javatexan:

yep....LOL

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justinh:

I've used perl in the past – it's not bad. never underestimate the power of the regex!

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lupin_sansei:

CPAN is cool too

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javatexan:

when I perl I have to have like 20 copies of the data that I want to process.....just to be sure

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javatexan:

CPAN is awesome

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lupin_sansei:

yes regex's rock. Every character in a regex is like one line of a normal program

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roothorick:

I got a noob on the phone, heh

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javatexan:

that would be me

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roothorick:

he's still trying to find me an answer

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javatexan:

a noob

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roothorick:

meh, every customer support guy starts somewhere

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justinh:

"hello, welcome to MythTVSupport4U. how may I help?"

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roothorick:

actually I'm calling Time Warner over a cable box issue

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roothorick:

yeah, MythTV is involved in this.

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lupin_sansei:

I found a nice way not to lose all my settings when I get a new drive. I just use mythbackup, stick it on CD, then install myth on the new drive, and then restore from that backup. Probably obvious to everyone else. But it didn't cross my mind until today

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justinh:

mythbackup?

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justinh:

ahh a knoppmyth thing

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lupin_sansei:

yes

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lupin_sansei:

is it a knoppmyth thing only?

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justinh:

you know, over the last couple of years I've started to notice a certain amount of focus on end users from all sorts of areas. I never really cared much about that since my own initial experience had been what you'd call a baptism of fire – but now I guess it's a good thing

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roothorick:

well, the guy took me off the phone because he didn't want to leave me holding

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javatexan:

okay...ripping file again....we will cross our eye

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justinh:

that was nice of him :P

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javatexan:

eyes

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fryfrog:

lupin_sansei: thats a pretty big increase in size :)

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roothorick:

it sounds like they have a specific process for PC<->cable box links because he immediately went off to "find out what to do in this situation"

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fryfrog:

you *told* them you hooked your cable box to your PC?

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roothorick:

is that a problem?

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lupin_sansei:

fryfrog: yep! No more having to worry about losing shows

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javatexan:

they don't like solutions that dont involve them getting paid again

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fryfrog:

i dunno, it just isn't something i'd do... i imagine it would cause the person at comcast's brain to exploid! :p

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roothorick:

fryfrog: well, there's a certain level of trust between me and the local TWC people... they've been responsive before

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lupin_sansei:

I can't believe the price of drives now. Around $150 for 500gigs here (Australia)

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justinh:

hmmm all that up there reminds me of a bit of perl I started working on to make configuration of mythtv channel lineups easier for UK folks

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fryfrog:

nice :)

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fryfrog:

lupin_sansei: yeah, they are cheap as dirt :)

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justinh:

I might get back on it when this code is finally finished

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lupin_sansei:

I remember in 1992 paying $150 for a 40MB drive for my Amiga

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justinh:

oh don't get anybody started on that one

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fryfrog:

roothorick: i think if i had told them i hooked my stbs to my computer, they might have taken them away or something. comcast is very... retarded, forgive me for the word :p

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justinh:

when I was a lad, a 16k ram pack for a zx81 cost Â£100 ...

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fryfrog:

worst i remember is a friend getting a 500mb drive for like $300 and being so happy that with dos's disk doubler, it would be (gasp) 1 gigabyte!

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lupin_sansei:

zx81!

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javatexan:

100 elles....that is expensive

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lupin_sansei:

I had a sinclair spectrum (when I lived in the UK). I loved that

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javatexan:

what is that in pesos

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fryfrog:

one *billion* pesos, probably

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justinh:

javatexan: it was about as much as the computer cost

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javatexan:

i know...I am teasing....we don't get many Ls around here\

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lupin_sansei:

In the early 80s 5.25 inch drives generally cost more than the computer (Commodore 64 drives for example)

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justinh:

lupin_sansei: yeah but they also had their own CPU in them, as did the tape decks IIRC

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lupin_sansei:

Am I the oldest person here? (33?)

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fryfrog:

yup, oldest :)

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justinh:

35 here believe it or not

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javatexan:

35 here too

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iamlindoro:

It's only accelerating, too... I remember having a 10 MB MFM drive... then less than a year ago my MythVideo array became a terabyte... and today it's 3 TB.

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lupin_sansei:

justinh: I think the Commodore tape decks had some smarts in them to decode the tones and just send out data rather than audio

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lupin_sansei:

yes, hard drives increase faster than Moore's Law

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roothori1k:

whoops, left my desktop on

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justinh:

lupin_sansei: I know for def. the Atari 800 tape decks had a CPU & UART inside

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lupin_sansei:

ok

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lupin_sansei:

Who remembers the Sinclair "Microdrives"?

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** justinh puts his hand up **

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javatexan:

justinh: how you do that

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justinh:

javatexan: /me

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** javatexan hates Windows **

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lupin_sansei:

they were little loops of video tape in a cartridge that went round every minute

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lupin_sansei:

Cheaper than floppies I think

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lupin_sansei:

but crapper

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justinh:

lupin_sansei: when I was at school I was sent on work experience at ICL. they used Sinclair QL & something called the OPD (one per desk) everywhere

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lupin_sansei:

yes the QL

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Daviey:

justinh: The punchcards must also have been fun

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justinh:

Daviey: lol. don't quite go that far back

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Daviey:

I thought you predated the transistor :)

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justinh:

though I think at the time the DHSS processing dept. at Longbenton had just migrated from punched cards

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Daviey:

I worked at a site once where they still had punchcards in drawers.. not still using – but even so!

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justinh:

you should've seen the laser printer they had that did all the benefit books. was as long as the room – and it was a fecking big room

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lupin_sansei:

My parents are Welsh. So they bought the Welsh 'Dragon 32" machine. (Colour Trash 80 clone) Total crap

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Daviey:

justinh: There was probably a guy sat inside with a laser pointer and a bucket of toner

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justinh:

Daviey: I work with a guy who alleges he bought MS Basic from Bill Gates & the only means they had to deliver it was punched cards

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Daviey:

lupin_sansei: I'm sorry to hear that. baa

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justinh:

bah the Tandy Coco & clones had character

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justinh:

they were shite so you had to work harder

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Daviey:

justinh: I think he's blowing smoke up your, erm.

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Daviey:

wtf did Tandy go bust?

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lupin_sansei:

Here in Australia "Dick Smith Electronics" are running Tandy here. Same products and stuff

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justinh:

lupin_sansei: you can say what you like about the RadioShack/Tandy Coco machines – they were very well documented & hacking was totally within a teenager's grasp

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lupin_sansei:

yep

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lupin_sansei:

so well documented the Welsh could clone them

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** jams still has one **

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justinh:

cutting tracks on cartridges anybody?

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lupin_sansei:

how many other Welsh clones do you see?

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Daviey:

baa

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roothorick:

wow, that was intereestig

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Daviey:

dolly for a start

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justinh:

lupin_sansei: the Dragon 32 cloned the coco, then somebody in the far east cloned the dragon to sell into schools

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roothorick:

the cable guy told me that a) the e cablee box's firewire ports are, in fact, disabled, and b) to buy a TV tuner to extract video from the cable box

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justinh:

ahhh those were the days. the manual that comes with your home computer has schematics in the back :P

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Daviey:

roothorick: AIUI in the US you are entitled to IEEE1394 not being disabled, federal regulation AIUI

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roothorick:

Daviey: I told the guy, citing the relevant portion of the regulation, and he put me on hold

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roothorick:

I'm going to guess he's calling legal

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Daviey:

roothorick: follow it up with an email/letter

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roothorick:

Daviey: that is, if I don't get the ports enabled tonight

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justinh:

I remember trying to disable as many interrupts as I could to get an assembler sound-sampling program running fast enough. wonder whatever happened to that spark

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Daviey:

roothorick: according to the mythtv-users mailing list – many people have had success getting them enabled / box swaps

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lupin_sansei:

Sinclair Spectrum was the same. Lame computer, but so many users meant a big market for games (in the UK), so the programmers really pushed the limits of them

[02:22:29]

roothorick:

Daviey: I got a box swap with zero battle, but the ports are disabled

[02:22:35]

justinh:

no A/D converter in the Coco, oh no. you had to set a value on the D/A, route it & check a comparator output on a pin of the PIA

[02:22:42]

Daviey:

lupin_sansei: I have a Speccy ZX

[02:22:55]

lupin_sansei:

some of the games are great aren't they? Knightlore etc

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Daviey:

lupin_sansei: emulation ftw

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Daviey:

MythGame!

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lupin_sansei:

justinh: sounds sampler – now you're talking! That's why I got my Amiga

[02:23:22]

roothorick:

hahaha

[02:23:24]

roothorick:

mythgame

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justinh:

a hell of a lot of 8-bit games bounce the chops off modern console games for playability

[02:23:46]

roothorick:

justinh: very true

[02:23:52]

lupin_sansei:

yep – the graphical adventure ones, or the old platform ones, like Monty Mole, Jet Set Willy etc.

[02:23:53]

justinh:

I still can't play Manic Miner to save my life but I keep going back :P

[02:24:31]

lupin_sansei:

I upgraded to a Commodore 64 in '87. It could do music *while* the game was playing

[02:24:57]

justinh:

did anybody here ever play with programming high res graphics on a zx81? man I almost cracked that

[02:25:02]

lupin_sansei:

You can't beat some of the speccy games though. Skooldaze rocked

[02:25:08]

lupin_sansei:

No I'm too young for the zx81

[02:25:51]

justinh:

oh noes. I've now got the stupid theme tune for 'everyone's a wally' going round & round in my head

[02:26:49]

Daviey:

Have any of you lot actually got mythgame working well with an emulator?

[02:27:16]

Daviey:

I tried an Amiga emulator with 0.19, but it wasn't clean at all

[02:27:32]

Daviey:

or was it 0.17..

[02:27:48]

roothorick:

now he's talking about a 'driver' to talk to the cable box

[02:27:49]

roothorick:

good grief

[02:27:54]

justinh:

I was tempted to try MAME after seeing it at LRL 06 but never got around to it

[02:28:00]

roothorick:

this guy is WET behindn the ears

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Daviey:

roothorick: just tell him to STFU and enable the port

[02:28:30]

roothorick:

Daviey: I asked if he could, he had no clue, and put me on hold again

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Daviey:

justinh: Heard any more on linuxworldexpo?

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Daviey:

nice... http://www.linuxworldexpo.co.uk/ is dead!

[02:29:24]

justinh:

Daviey: no but then I've not checked on it either. my heart really isn't in it

[02:30:04]

Daviey:

justinh: come to the next geekfest and i'll buy some more myth stickers for my new microwave and buy you a beer!

[02:30:08]

justinh:

did you go last year? there didn't seem to be much business going on – the majority of people were hovering around the .org village

[02:30:23]

ferrari:

Does anybody know if I could use a 500MHz embedded cpu to do the mythTV frontend?

[02:30:43]

justinh:

ferrari: possibly but it might be very hard work

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iamlindoro:

Not much of a ferrari

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roothorick:

ferrari: as long as the backend and database is on a much beefier machine

[02:30:59]

iamlindoro:

maybe you should change your name to pinto

[02:31:20]

Daviey:

justinh: yeah, but this meets are as much about selling myth as it is just meeting other mythers IMO

[02:31:24]

ferrari:

thinking of using another embedded cpu (about 600MHz) cpu to do the backend

[02:32:05]

justinh:

I've come to realise I'm not really all about selling myth. LRL has put paid to that

[02:32:16]

ferrari:

and the "link" between frontend and backend is either through TCP or PCI bus

[02:32:23]

Daviey:

ferrari: If you aren't doing any encoding / commflagging and myth is compiled as omptized for your architecutre – should be ok

[02:32:41]

roothorick:

ferrari: instead of PCI bus, purely logical

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justinh:

Daviey: a dev meetup / codefest would be superb though IMHO

[02:33:01]

Daviey:

justinh: yeah, want to do one in feb

[02:33:02]

JohnQ:

When looking at video recorded using my PVR-500, (on either tuner) the image is sort of "shifted up"... a tad is clipped off the top of the video, and there is a black bar at the bottom. It is small.. but annoying. any ideas?

[02:33:06]

justinh:

other projects have em & they apparently get shedloads done

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roothorick:

in hardware, on a frontend-backend-database all-in-one, there is zero distinction between thelayers

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ferrari:

OK.

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Daviey:

justinh: But it always falls down to the same argument – location

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justinh:

ferrari: more important than cpu speed on the backend – if it's not doing much processing – is RAM

[02:33:47]

ferrari:

the frontend will only support components output

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roothorick:

ferrari: 600Mhz is NOT going to be enough for the backend

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lupin_sansei:

unless you have DVB

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roothorick:

800Mhz is a bare minimum

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Daviey:

roothorick: erm, DaveMorris is using 650Mhz as his backend AIUI

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roothorick:

I strongly recommend 1.2Ghz or more

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iamlindoro:

Backend needs far less than frontend

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justinh:

Daviey: true. and there aren't that many UK developers AFAIK

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iamlindoro:

bsdfox_ had multiple tuners running on a 450

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roothorick:

Daviey: I haven't heard of it

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justinh:

just turn up at Starbucks/whatever in town with laptops then go out on the beer later

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Daviey:

justinh: even fewer with commit privs :)

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ferrari:

I have a nova-t-500 tuner installed on a 1.5G machine and it uses up 100% of the cpu and 50% of the DDR-II.

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Daviey:

justinh: i hear southampton is a nice place for a meet :)

[02:35:36]

justinh:

I only got mine by sheer good luck. hell even I won't be committing the plugin code I've just written

[02:35:50]

Daviey:

ferrari: comm flagging or just generally?

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ferrari:

what is comm flagging?

[02:36:05]

Daviey:

ferrari: It shouldn't use feck all – something is wrong

[02:36:12]

Daviey:

ferrari: commerical flagging

[02:36:13]

justinh:

lookin in recordings for commercials

[02:36:23]

Daviey:

check top to see what's burning your resources

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iamlindoro:

any DVB should just be dumping to disk

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roothorick:

does comm flagging work with live TV?

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Daviey:

on the fly, no

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justinh:

not with a 600Mhz CPU :P

[02:36:52]

roothorick:

but I meaann like

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lupin_sansei:

I have an old p4 1.4GHz and on recording (DVB) the loads is like 0.05

[02:37:10]

ferrari:

sorry, newbie here. what is commercial flagging?

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GreyFoxx:

one of the main devs uses a celeron 333 as his backend with 3 tuners in it

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justinh:

Daviey: did you see my screenshots? I'm geet chuffed as owt

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orkid:

ferrari: putting a 'mark' where commercial are

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roothorick:

if you're watching something, you pause it for a while, can it autoskip up to live TV past commercials?

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Daviey:

well keep in mind, you'll catch up with real time v. quickly – so even if you do skip commericals – you'll have to twiddle your thumbs for 5 mins every 20 mins :)

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orkid:

ferrari: adverts

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justinh:

putting a 'mark' where it _thinks_ commercials are

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iamlindoro:

ferrari: Is the nova-t machine a linux/myth machine?

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Daviey:

justinh: no.. linky for the lazy?

[02:37:54]

rooaus:

roothorick: In trunk yes, but the results aren't as good.

[02:38:03]

ferrari:

the input is from another PC since we don't have dvb signal

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Ever get that xbox update working ?

[02:38:29]

justinh:

Daviey: http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/images/appear1.png and http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/images/appear2.png

[02:38:30]

orkid:

dude, i didn't know mythtv thinks, but hey.

[02:38:36]

orkid:

lol

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Honestly, hadn't tried in a few hours... It connects to live, just doesn't want to fetch the update

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lupin_sansei:

I think the video card makes a pretty big difference too. As in how well it can decode MPEG2

[02:38:53]

iamlindoro:

Maybe I'll try again now

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: k

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GreyFoxx:

I might post something to the -users list asking people to try it

[02:39:06]

ferrari:

Can I say that it is hard or almost impossible to get mythtv running on a 500Mhz cpu

[02:39:13]

GreyFoxx:

wanna make sure it works for more than just me :)

[02:39:19]

roothorick:

lupin_sansei: if it does at all. I went the compatibility route and dusted off a GeForce 2 with composite out

[02:39:21]

lupin_sansei:

I reckon just make your jump button to skip 2.5 minutes is better than commerical flasgging

[02:39:27]

Daviey:

justinh: hey... i haven't been following development of that!

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Daviey:

looking slexy

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roothorick:

Xv acceleration on nV chipsets but it doesn't do jack for decoding

[02:39:52]

justinh:

Daviey: got the bulk of it working today. man c++ & qt is tough for the uninitiated

[02:40:04]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Finally downloading now... well at least now we know the update is key... will try in 2

[02:40:28]

justinh:

OO? more like OOps

[02:40:39]

Daviey:

justinh: I'm a c++ person, by job – but i _hate_ Qt

[02:40:58]

jams:

justdave- so what happens after you set the arrows?

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justinh:

Daviey: that said when i got over the first little bump it just streamed out

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: Reminds me of my Amiga... ;-) Setting the viewable area on the TV screen... ;-)

[02:41:17]

jams:

do you adjust the size of the mythwindow?

[02:41:27]

lupin_sansei:

I'm thinking of going dual core, as sometimes my 1.4Ghz machine video sticks when the DVB scans the air for channel listings

[02:41:27]

justinh:

jams: I've got it to store the new settings. need to make a decision on what to do after that

[02:41:36]

ferrari:

what features can I support if my CPU is only 500Mhz and 1G DDR

[02:41:52]

jams:

i see, haven't got that far yet =)

[02:41:56]

justinh:

I'm thinking that going with whatever the appearance settings menu does when you exit it is the way to go

[02:41:57]

Daviey:

I'm really struggling getting my shite ATI card to 1366 x 768

[02:42:02]

roothorick:

ferrari: frontend OR backend OR database

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justinh:

jams: details, mere details :P

[02:42:28]

roothorick:

all-in-ones need 1.4Ghz minimum, and the database is the smallest of the three

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ferrari:

frontend, roothorick

[02:42:50]

ferrari:

well, both frontend and backend will be 500Mhz

[02:42:53]

roothorick:

ferrari: probably most SD video playback

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ferrari:

running embedded linux

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jams:

something to keep in mind is what the windowmanger does when a window is not full screen

[02:43:19]

justinh:

jams: it's not really going to be much use to people who run mythfrontend in a window

[02:43:22]

roothorick:

jams: mythtv is typically (not always) run standalone in an X server

[02:43:29]

Daviey:

ferrari: Hmm, some embedded boards have mpeg encoders – does that one?

[02:43:31]

Daviey:

ie VIA does

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ferrari:

VIA is 1.5G

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justinh:

decoders, Daviey

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Daviey:

details details :P

[02:44:02]

justinh:

and in real terms whatever Ghz Via say it is, divide it by two

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ferrari:

I am thinking of Philips PNX1700 which has bothe encoder and decoder built in and it a dual-core embedded cpu

[02:44:15]

jams:

justinh- so your not adjusting the size of the window only the safe area?

[02:44:39]

justinh:

jams: the idea behind this is to replace the GUI size & offset part of the appearance menu

[02:44:47]

justinh:

replace/side-step

[02:45:32]

justinh:

lemme have a look & see what the appearance menu code does when you press finish

[02:45:45]

lupin_sansei:

I've noticed that the latest version of knoppmyth uses more CPU usage than before (don't know about myth proper)

[02:46:02]

squish102:

can i safely delete 2 rows from capturecard as they are wrong. (cardid 1 and 2)

[02:46:03]

jams:

maybe i'm being dense, but myth will still be "full screen"

[02:46:05]

rooaus:

ferrari: There was a dude from Philips R&D that had a mythfrontend running embedded in a Philips LCD or plasma on an onboard nexperia.

[02:46:11]

lupin_sansei:

cool

[02:46:21]

lupin_sansei:

are there any commerical devices that use myth?

[02:46:38]

javatexan:

man this is so weird

[02:46:40]

javatexan:

when it finishes readin the dvd drive, it says transcode is thinking...puts up a few "...." and then quits and says there are no jobs...I can rip a dvd by pressing 0

[02:46:43]

justinh:

jams: until the theme reload/scale/redraw is called – the very same thing the appearance menu does when you change the GUI size settings

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rooaus:

not that I know of, that was a one off

[02:46:50]

ferrari:

roothorick: frontend – most SD video playback, how about backend? what can a 500 Mhz cpu support?

[02:47:18]

roothorick:

ferrari: one frame grabber, maybe two or three hardware encoding cards

[02:47:32]

roothorick:

*or maybe

[02:47:36]

justinh:

the one limitation this is going to have is that it won't be able to draw outside of the area mythfrontend occupies

[02:48:02]

justinh:

hmm maybe it needs a 'reset to fullsize' menu option for that case

[02:48:07]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Well, connected to Live and got the update, and now I can browse, but it looks like the update still requires that you download codecs as you need them, so it wants to connect to Live again... and it's down for me, hahaha... Given time, I'm sure it will work perfectly :)

[02:48:12]

jams:

justinh- ok..so it's just a replacment for the gui size settings.

[02:48:20]

javatexan:

is there any way to get the myth tv to my tv in the other room?

[02:48:28]

javatexan:

frontend...sorry

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lupin_sansei:

network cable?

[02:48:47]

keith__:

ha

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justinh:

jams: you can have a look for yourself if you want http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/mythappearance/& nbsp;– currently just a plugin so I could play with it more easily

[02:48:56]

ferrari:

right now we have no problem running "mythdora" (a fedora and mythtv distro) on a 1.6GHz VIA embedded box. but my boss would like to transfer that into PNX1700 500Mhz mebeded cpu and mythtv

[02:49:17]

jams:

justinh- might do that.

[02:49:35]

justinh:

ferrari: I once saw something about a Philips guy trying to make mythtv work on a Philips Nexperia platform thing

[02:49:58]

jams:

unless i'm misunderstanding my first statment about windowmanagers is still valid. But thats a problem right now as well.

[02:49:59]

ferrari:

yeah, PNX8550 by a french guy, Frank

[02:50:15]

justinh:

jams: that's more or less the latest incarnation. you'll be able to get the jist anyway

[02:50:23]

ferrari:

I think he finally gave up as it was too hard for him

[02:50:42]

justinh:

if people have had mythbackend working on an NSLU box..

[02:51:25]

squish102:

can i safely delete 2 rows from capturecard as they are wrong. (cardid 1 and 2)

[02:51:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: I've got one of those... but there's only so much you can do with a 266mhz Mips processor and (iirc) 32 or 64mb ram... ;-)

[02:51:32]

** justinh goes to forage in mainsettings.cpp **

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justinh:

er.. globalsettings.cpp

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jams:

heh that file is fun

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rooaus:

ferrari: Seems it was a STB platform, not embedded in the TV as I remembered. See http://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/ELC2 . . . -CELF-05.pdf

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jams:

roothorick- if you don't use a windowmanger your asking for focus problems when non-myth programs are lauched from myth.

[02:54:05]

roothorick:

uhoh

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roothorick:

the guy's giving me the runaround

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javatexan:

what did you do

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javatexan:

;O

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roothorick:

he just said the regulation only requires the ports to be present, not active

[02:54:30]

ferrari:

thanks, rooaus. Yeah, that's the slide that I found.

[02:54:33]

jams:

justinh- just updated myth about an hour ago..oh the fun of bringing my code up date for DTK's changes.

[02:54:51]

javatexan:

they always give you the runaround....that is funny ports present but not active....LMAO

[02:55:06]

justinh:

haven't done svn up for a good few days now

[02:55:23]

ferrari:

rooaus: he was trying to do the frontend using NPX8550

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javatexan:

justinh: you run myth from svn?

[02:55:35]

javatexan:

how hard is that?

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jams:

justinh- i was a few month behind =)

[02:55:37]

ferrari:

it's an embedded CPU and mpeg decoder

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javatexan:

I would love to do that, but I am not sure if I could get it all working

[02:55:58]

javatexan:

;0

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roothorick:

I'm going to be at thise for quite a while... *sigh*

[02:56:14]

roothorick:

I need something to snack on

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justinh:

javatexan: I have 3 myth systems here. backend running 0.20.1 & frontend running 0.20.1 combined system I do dev work on running trunk

[02:56:26]

javatexan:

its been a while since I've admined a linux box

[02:56:36]

javatexan:

ah

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javatexan:

i only have one myth box

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javatexan:

its also my file server

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Daviey:

virtual machines wtf

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Daviey:

ftw rather

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justinh:

javatexan: think I need GetMythMainWindow()->JumpTo("Reload Theme");

[02:57:07]

justinh:

er.. jams, even :)

[02:57:07]

jams:

haha

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jams:

justinh- yep that looks about right. I have a patch that calls reload theme when myth receives USR1. Waiting on greyfox to approve and apply

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justinh:

well I just slapped it in there, let's see if it works

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** javatexan scratches head **

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GreyFoxx:

jams: sorry, have had my head in upnp stuff all week

[02:58:49]

jams:

GreyFoxx- no trouble

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GreyFoxx:

still trying to find the magic recipet to get the xbox to pull cover images

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javatexan:

hey greyfoxx

[02:59:04]

javatexan:

good to see ya

[02:59:06]

GreyFoxx:

as usual ms doesn't follow standards

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GreyFoxx:

howdy

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jams:

GreyFoxx- you have a ps3 as well?

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justinh:

:O it works!

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GreyFoxx:

jams: nope

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jams:

that thing needs some upnp love as well

[02:59:54]

** justinh is worried he's going to dream in Qt classes & C++ tonight **

[02:59:55]

ferrari:

So, I guess the answer on any of the embedded is "almost" impossible.

[02:59:57]

GreyFoxx:

I have a dsm-320 which I'll be showing some love to tomorrow

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jams:

justinh- congrats

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GreyFoxx:

justinh: hehe

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** javatexan I am worried I am going to dream in mythtv setups all night **

[03:00:42]

ferrari:

my boss only gives us 9 months to develop both the frontend and backend. 1 engineer handles frontend and the other handles the backend

[03:00:45]

justinh:

newPopup ("hello user, you have a slow CPU – go make yourself a nice cup of tea while I rescale the images")

[03:00:53]

GreyFoxx:

ferrari: not enough people try to get it running on embedded systems to have good docs/knowlegde already out there

[03:00:57]

Daviey:

justinh: I dream in C++, but due to memory leak's i rarely remember them in the morning :(

[03:01:24]

GreyFoxx:

ferrari: what kind of hardware? What codecs are supported by the hardwre decoder ?

[03:01:31]

ferrari:

ha ha. maybe we will be the first one to get it up and running

[03:01:41]

justinh:

don't talk to me about that. I was sitting here for a couple of minutes thinking "now how would I go about making a new dialog pop?". I only just did one today ffs

[03:01:44]

ferrari:

h264/mpeg4

[03:02:01]

** J-e-f-f-A drools... **

[03:02:06]

ferrari:

hardware is NPX1700 (cpu + encoder + decoder) and 1G DDR

[03:02:06]

squish102:

1920x1080 = 720x ? (is it 400?) (using nuvexport)

[03:02:10]

ferrari:

for the frontend

[03:02:11]

justinh:

now I'm thinking.. do I really need a confirmation popup?

[03:02:29]

ferrari:

backend is Intel XSCale 500Mhz networking CPU

[03:02:34]

GreyFoxx:

ferrari: cool

[03:02:51]

Daviey:

squish102: thats proper HDTV

[03:02:52]

ferrari:

720x480

[03:03:08]

roothorick:

ferrari: with hardware encodeer and decoder, live TV pausing is well within reach

[03:03:13]

justinh:

ferrari: what you're doing sounds a lot like that embedded linux platform thingy that was at LRL this year

[03:03:28]

ferrari:

what is LRL?

[03:03:33]

justinh:

lugradio live

[03:03:38]

Daviey:

justinh: except this will be better :)

[03:04:05]

justinh:

I still chuckle when I think back to the elisa demo..

[03:04:09]

Daviey:

I tried to talk to the rep of that product – he was less interested in it than me!

[03:04:45]

ferrari:

do you think if this plan will work. we will come up with the embedded platform and port the very basic mythtv and open source everything to the community to try it including the PCB

[03:04:49]

justinh:

I just don't get all the push to get OSS into every livingroom on the planet. consumers really don't care

[03:05:17]

roothorick:

justinh: trying to beat Microsoft to the punch

[03:05:36]

Daviey:

justinh: i think the plan is lower devel costs for them, and the ability to release updates easier

[03:05:37]

roothorick:

it's also a potential gateway for hardware compatibility with Linux

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Zombie:

Hello?

[03:05:54]

Daviey:

goodbye

[03:05:55]

javatexan:

cable cards do work in linux

[03:05:59]

javatexan:

;)

[03:06:00]

justinh:

heh. what you might call a true trusted computing platform :P

[03:06:10]

roothorick:

javatexan: wait, what?

[03:06:21]

justinh:

you can trust it, as opposed to 'we might trust you'

[03:06:23]

Daviey:

I really want linux on my microwave :)

[03:06:38]

roothorick:

javatexan: as in CableCARD, that universal standard decoder doohickey?

[03:07:01]

justinh:

gawd I really wish I felt tired, I really do. I need to sleep & give this man-flu the boot

[03:07:17]

javatexan:

yeah...but they will never tell....its even in the trusted opencable blah, blah, blah

[03:07:49]

justinh:

might aswell add a little option to reset the size settings

[03:08:09]

Daviey:

justinh: i've got the man-flu aswell.. bet you gave it to me grr

[03:08:32]

javatexan:

brain fart: what is the mythtv config program again....gawd

[03:08:57]

jams:

mythtv-setup

[03:09:43]

JohnQ:

When looking at video recorded using my PVR-500, (on either tuner) the image is sort of "shifted up"... a tad is clipped off the top of the video, and there is a black bar at the bottom. It is small.. but annoying. any ideas?

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roothorick:

the cable guy confessed that he had no clue as to the functionality of the firewire ports, and is going to call me tomorrow after talking to the technicians (which, duh, aren't around Sunday at 9pm)

[03:13:13]

roothorick:

I wonder if I can abuse Gentoo's xdm initscripts to autostart mythfrontend

[03:13:25]

justinh:

Daviey: sucks to be ill when you're off work innit

[03:14:29]

justinh:

woot. my reset settings routine works :)

[03:14:45]

keith__:

roothorick: just put it in your .xinitrc

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justinh:

hmm but that's making me think that limiting the arrow positions to 25% from the edges might have been a mistake

[03:15:44]

Lightning:

question, with lirc, i understand that the delay= setting is how many key repeats before the repeat= entry is used and that repeat= is how many buttons before a key is passed again. However is there a way to require a button to come across more than once?

[03:16:07]

Zombie:

I am having an issue with MythTV and my saa7134

[03:16:08]

Lightning:

I have an issue where the number 2 button is "seen" randomly but only once and am trying to remove it

[03:16:23]

Daviey:

justinh: i quit my job just before xmas \o/

[03:16:58]

justinh:

updateButton = menuPopup->addButton("Reset Screen Size Settings", this, SLOT(slotResetSettings()));

[03:17:01]

justinh:

oops

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Daviey:

Lightning: yes.. but it's not elegant – you need to shell out to a script

[03:17:12]

justinh:

good fer you daviey

[03:17:24]

justinh:

eew segfaulty

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Daviey:

Lightning: google will help.. there was an example on knoppmyth forums IIRC

[03:17:58]

Zombie:

On MythTV Sound is silent.

[03:18:13]

Zombie:

It is always mute unless I SSH and manually unmute it.

[03:18:16]

Lightning:

Daviey, been poking around trying to find such a script. i'll try to find it

[03:18:29]

Daviey:

justinh: hey, if irexec doesn't handle unclean exits – then thats lirc's fault, not the nasty hack

[03:18:32]

Daviey:

:)

[03:18:51]

justinh:

probably just OOM I think

[03:19:20]

justinh:

512MB RAM, resized 1280x720 theme to 1360x900 or someting

[03:19:24]

Daviey:

Lightning: The example allows double tap of one of the buttons to restart X IIRC

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Lightning:

k, that should help

[03:21:08]

Daviey:

It's pretty simple, echo's a timestamp into a txt file when pressed, and compares $now and timestamp from previous press, if <2 seconds it fires $script else returns $keypress

[03:22:12]

justinh:

segfaulted again on the resize

[03:22:23]

justinh:

hmm I think I remember seeing a ticket about this ages ago

[03:22:41]

Daviey:

mythtv segfaulting, oh i am suprised!

[03:22:56]

Daviey:

trunk segfaults if i attempt to cleanly exit!

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justinh:

well I've uploaded the latest code to somewhere safe so i think I'll call it a night on that one

[03:24:47]

Daviey:

nn justinh

[03:25:00]

justinh:

nah need to let my brain cool down for a while

[03:25:09]

Daviey:

ah

[03:25:12]

justinh:

just putting the plugin to bed :)

[03:25:30]

justinh:

it's an amazing feeling – why I'm such an advocate of people having a go themselves

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Daviey:

meh, it's easier just to sit back and whinge

[03:25:51]

justinh:

it isn't just that I'm evil :)

[03:26:34]

justinh:

I think that if it wasn't for people who try & have a go, we'd not have anything OSS never mind mythtv

[03:27:25]

Daviey:

ahhh, sshd has died on a remote box.. ffs – i needed that

[03:28:01]

Zombie:

Doess anyone know how to get lirc working on the saa7134 MSI Card?

[03:28:07]

justinh:

personally I think this little token is long overdue. anybody whose TV overscans will appreciate it

[03:28:13]

Daviey:

Zombie: nope, nobody

[03:28:27]

Zombie:

What about the sound logic issue?

[03:28:33]

Daviey:

Zombie: nope, nobody

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justinh:

Zombie: you could put something in a startup menu to unmute it

[03:29:01]

justinh:

Zombie: say, in the mythbackend init script, before mythbackend is started ;)

[03:29:16]

Zombie:

You don't understand.

[03:29:27]

Anduin:

justinh: What do you do if someone shrunk it too far?

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justinh:

Anduin: it's limited to 25% edges

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Anduin:

justinh: Sure, but how do you display it if someone needed to make it bigger?

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Lightning:

keep finding channel changing scripts :/

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justinh:

Anduin: I've just added a reset settings menu option which kicks the GUI X & Y size (and offsets) to zero

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Anduin:

justinh: Yup, just curious, anything has to beat the current guess and check mechanism

[03:31:57]

justinh:

I'm sure there's an insane case I've not considered

[03:32:24]

Anduin:

yeah, negative offsets :)

[03:32:35]

justinh:

the arrow movement clipping logic is more complicated than it could/should be I think

[03:33:27]

justinh:

I considered making it check that the top left arrow never reached within X pixels of the bottom right arrow.. but I think it's unlikely it'd be needed

[03:33:42]

Anduin:

justinh: QRect can do simple intersections (intersect with screen rect, if smaller you've gone too far)

[03:34:35]

justinh:

yeah well, this is about as good as it gets from me right now. I'm very pleased with it

[03:35:57]

justinh:

when somebody who really knows what they're doing has had a look at it I'm sure it'll have been worth all the sweat

[03:37:36]

justinh:

see now I can't help wondering if there's any way it could be made to reach out beyond the UI area to make it bigger without the reset – I'm pretty sure it's not possible within the confines of how the ui is wired up

[03:38:12]

justinh:

.. without making it an external app

[03:38:33]

Anduin:

Yeah, not without doing ugly things.

[03:39:18]

justinh:

I did consider allowing the arrows to be moved outside the visible UI area but that's back to the guesswork of the current method somewhat

[03:41:37]

JohnQ:

When looking at video recorded using my PVR-500, (on either tuner) the image is sort of "shifted up"... a tad is clipped off the top of the video, and there is a black bar at the bottom. It is small.. but annoying. any ideas?

[03:42:20]

justinh:

JohnQ: sounds like you could benefit from a small amount of overscan because (surprise surprise) not all of the video signal is active picture

[03:43:00]

justinh:

or are you using 'use GUI size for video playback' ?

[03:43:13]

JohnQ:

Its the capture that's shifted, not the playback.. I thought the overscan was a playback thing.

[03:43:25]

JohnQ:

Good question.. lemme check

[03:43:59]

JohnQ:

That option is not checked.

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JohnQ:

But my output device is a DVI lcd monitor.. so I see every pixel.

[03:44:30]

justinh:

you can't change the capture area

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justinh:

at least not within mythtv

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JohnQ:

I was looking for options to do it in ivtvctl and v4l2-ctl, but didn't see anything there either.

[03:45:57]

justinh:

and from my experience the ivtv defaults are set to grab the complete video signal without clipping it

[03:46:21]

JohnQ:

The top of the screen is a little bit clipped actually.

[03:46:33]

justinh:

define a 'little bit'

[03:46:34]

JohnQ:

You can tell when you look at something like the tv-guide channel.

[03:46:51]

JohnQ:

about 30 pixels, maybe?

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justinh:

not what I would call a little bit!

[03:47:02]

JohnQ:

Maybe a little less.... 25ish

[03:47:15]

JohnQ:

it is noticeable

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justinh:

have you set mythfrontend to use a different mode for video playback with xrandr?

[03:47:40]

justinh:

that'd prolly do it

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JohnQ:

Nope. Same video mode.. native resolution of the LCD monitor.

[03:47:52]

justinh:

cause it I mean, possibly

[03:48:18]

justinh:

check a recorded file in another player

[03:48:27]

JohnQ:

When I look at the stills on the mythweb screen, I see the black bars at the bottom..

[03:48:35]

JohnQ:

And in PIP mode too

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JohnQ:

and when streaming to my regular pc

[03:48:54]

JohnQ:

I am 99% sure it is in the mpeg stream

[03:49:00]

justinh:

sounds like you're right about it being a capture issue then

[03:49:27]

justinh:

what capture size have you defined in the recording profiles? did you change the defaults?

[03:49:57]

JohnQ:

720x480 .. I think that's the default.

[03:49:59]

Lightning:

grrr, gotta be a way

[03:50:15]

justinh:

btw when I said you can't change the capture area I meant just that – you can't change the 'window' of active video that is captured, only the res the 'window' is captured at ;)

[03:50:50]

justinh:

JohnQ: puzzling

[03:50:56]

JohnQ:

isnt it?

[03:51:08]

justinh:

v4l2-ctl might yield some clues

[03:51:20]

JohnQ:

I remember that at one point it was set to 480x480 someplace.. and that just had all sorts of strange problems.

[03:51:52]

JohnQ:

Ive been poking around in there but haven't seen anything that helps. Have any particular flags in mind I could try?

[03:52:27]

Lightning:

have another Q while i try to solve my lirc issue. At times certain menu entries will no longer have a highlighted entry, example the exit screen or the menu screen when viewing the video list. The only way to get it back is to go into setup and keep pressing enter (although next is not highligted) on appearance

[03:52:29]

justinh:

last time I played with it, it was still ivtvctl

[03:52:31]

Lightning:

any ideas?

[03:52:40]

JohnQ:

hehe.. Tried both :-)

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justinh:

whoah #199 was committed :)

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JohnQ:

What was #199?

[03:54:28]

justinh:

multiple favourite channel groups

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JohnQ:

ah

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justinh:

whoah now I'm ready to go to sleep. very ready, suddenly

[03:56:23]

justinh:

nn all

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justinh:

good lick JohnQ

[03:56:37]

justinh:

er.. good LUCK

[03:56:39]

JohnQ:

Ya.. I'll keep banging my head on it.

[03:57:02]

JohnQ:

I see a few posts online, of people with the same problem... but no solutions

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javatexan:

so I want my user to be in what group(s)? Mine is currently in admin and mythtv...

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ferrari:

sorry to ask a dum question. if my video card is not properly installed with the correct driver (a generic instead from the same vendor), will I get funny output image?

[04:05:39]

Lightning:

ferrari: depends on the card

[04:05:46]

Lightning:

some are ok with a generic, others are not

[04:06:06]

Lightning:

i had trouble with X locking up until i used the vendor (nvidia) driver

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JohnQ:

You could get anything from perfect behavior to fire.

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Rhiadon:

hello everyone

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javatexan:

howdy

[04:07:13]

Rhiadon:

I just got my first full functioning myth rig up and running

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Rhiadon:

just have a few tweaks to figure out and I'm all set

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Rhiadon:

I was wondering if I might be able to get some help diagnosing a startup issue.

[04:11:00]

ferrari:

I have a built in video card from VIA

[04:11:23]

ferrari:

so far I have no problem playing dvd, online movies.

[04:11:45]

ferrari:

but when I try to play my nova-t-500 tuner card, the image is very slow

[04:12:01]

ferrari:

it looks like there is no enough cpu or ram to drive

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Rhiadon:

is that high def?

[04:12:16]

ferrari:

very slow and not smooth

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ferrari:

vga

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ferrari:

it's a dvi output but has a vga adapter to the LCD

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Rhiadon:

sorry, the nova t is a terrestrial DVB card, right?

[04:13:19]

ferrari:

yes

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Rhiadon:

(I'm in the US so I'm not terribly familiar with those cards)

[04:13:43]

Rhiadon:

are you trying ti display a high definition channel?

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ferrari:

err.. Nope

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Rhiadon:

hmmm

[04:14:14]

ferrari:

just a regular standard video

[04:14:25]

Rhiadon:

then you've probably reached the end of my knowledge

[04:14:35]

ferrari:

;) thanks, anyway

[04:14:54]

Rhiadon:

I suppose you are wanting to use the via driver to decode the video?

[04:15:07]

ferrari:

yes

[04:15:21]

ferrari:

and the software used is mplayer in linux

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Rhiadon:

yep, I've never done that unfortunately. Only nvidia here.

[04:15:26]

Lightning:

so no ideas on the menu issue?

[04:15:46]

ferrari:

I read about the nvidia too. sounds similar but need to confirm

[04:15:53]

Rhiadon:

I just have read that the via chips can;t handle high definition

[04:16:09]

ferrari:

yeah, I think so too. only SD

[04:16:56]

ferrari:

hmm... wondered why it has a DVI output

[04:16:59]

ferrari:

on the boad

[04:17:23]

javatexan:

okay school was toooooo long ago....how do I change how my user creates files and directories from chmod 755 to say 777? was it in the .profile or something?

[04:17:56]

tank-man:

something about umasks

[04:18:31]

javatexan:

ah yes umasks.......i remember...no wait, no I don't....

[04:18:46]

javatexan:

that was in the .profile right?

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tank-man:

i dont know, i just know what to search for

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javatexan:

okay....i am looking right now....

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Solv:

is anyone here using an appletv as a frontend? I'd like to know what it's preformance was like, and if the remote was supported, if HD over the ethernet was possible (not even gonna bother with wireless)....etc etc

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Rhiadon:

HD over ethernet is generally possible. I don;t know about with the apple TV

[04:26:30]

Zombie:

I'd like help with lirc

[04:32:53]

Rhiadon:

what's wrong with lirc?

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Zombie:

I have several issues.

[04:33:34]

Zombie:

I have an saa7134 (MSI TV Anywhere)

[04:33:55]

Zombie:

I'm not sure what driver is appropriate for this card'

[04:34:05]

Rhiadon:

probably iic

[04:34:18]

Rhiadon:

I don;t have that card so I cannot be certain

[04:34:32]

Zombie:

The second and more pressing issue.

[04:34:41]

Zombie:

On MythTV Sound is silent. I can enable the sound in ALSA and the result is a crapload of racket.

[04:34:45]

Rhiadon:

I think most of the Ir receivers on the tuner cards use iic

[04:35:05]

Rhiadon:

is this a HD card?

[04:35:09]

Zombie:

No.

[04:35:17]

Rhiadon:

ok

[04:35:35]

Rhiadon:

so you do not have spdif passthrough enabled?

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Zombie:

under ALSA?

[04:36:05]

Rhiadon:

(this isn;t an lirc issue btw:) )

[04:36:06]

Zombie:

Or MythTV?

[04:36:11]

Rhiadon:

well both

[04:36:21]

Zombie:

(I can't get the remote working/)

[04:37:20]

Rhiadon:

no, the sound not working is not related to lirc in anyway that I can imagine. That's ok. I was just pointing out somethign silly

[04:38:44]

Zombie:

No.

[04:39:40]

Zombie:

topping Linux Infrared Remote Control daemon: [FAILED]

[04:39:40]

Zombie:

FATAL: Module iic not found.

[04:39:40]

Zombie:

Starting Linux Infrared Remote Control daemon: [ OK ]

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Zombie:

[

[04:39:44]

Rhiadon:

does lsmod show that you have saa7134_alsa enabled?

[04:39:49]

Zombie:

Yse,

[04:39:59]

Zombie:

I can modify its settings in kmix

[04:40:05]

Rhiadon:

does dmesg show any errors related to that module?

[04:40:33]

Rhiadon:

ok, well that doesn;t soudn promising then. You aren't using an optical output at all are you?

[04:40:56]

Zombie:

No.

[04:41:00]

Rhiadon:

(the module name for the iic lirc module woudl be lirc_iic, sorry I wasn;t more specific)

[04:41:16]

Rhiadon:

what kind of sound card is it?

[04:41:42]

Rhiadon:

(check the lirc website to make certain that is the name of the lirc module

[04:41:50]

Zombie:

Its an Audigy

[04:42:02]

Rhiadon:

ok so that shodul just work out of the box

[04:42:03]

Rhiadon:

odd

[04:42:11]

Zombie:

Its controlled by the emu10k1

[04:42:11]

Rhiadon:

well of course depending on your distro

[04:42:14]

Rhiadon:

right

[04:42:38]

Zombie:

I can enable sound in ALSA.

[04:42:44]

Zombie:

Then it works (kmix)

[04:43:16]

Rhiadon:

so now you have audio?

[04:43:22]

Rhiadon:

just not in myth?

[04:43:39]

Zombie:

I always have had audio in every application except Myth.

[04:43:45]

Rhiadon:

ahh

[04:43:46]

Rhiadon:

gotcha

[04:43:58]

Zombie:

TVTime, XawTV, mencoder all work correctly.

[04:44:02]

Rhiadon:

what was the card type again?

[04:44:11]

Zombie:

Its an saa7134

[04:44:53]

Rhiadon:

well actually you already answered what I needed to know. I wondered if it was one of those wierd cards that didn't support extracting the audio over the pci bus

[04:45:00]

Rhiadon:

but it obviosuly does

[04:45:28]

Zombie:

This one patches directly into the Sound Card's Line in Port/

[04:45:31]

Rhiadon:

is the audio just complete noise or does it sound like garbled audio fromt he program you are watching?

[04:45:52]

Rhiadon:

oh so you ARE using an audio patch cable?

[04:45:56]

Zombie:

Yse,

[04:46:02]

Zombie:

But its Analogue.

[04:46:14]

Zombie:

It has nothing to do with the SPDIF

[04:46:28]

Rhiadon:

ok, yeah, I'm on to a different line of thought now.

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Zombie:

and lirc_iic doesn't exist

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Rhiadon:

here's a wild guess.......

[04:50:53]

Rhiadon:

well poop

[04:50:58]

Rhiadon:

lemme look.

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iamlindoro:

i2c is what he means

[04:56:55]

Rhiadon:

I told you wrong again

[04:56:57]

Rhiadon:

I'm sorry

[04:57:13]

Rhiadon:

I get my work world mixed up with the linux world all the time

[04:57:31]

** justinh curses his insomnia **

[04:57:50]

Rhiadon:

the bus is technically called iic, everybody calls it i^2c hence i2c

[04:58:27]

justinh:

eye squared sea :)

[04:58:34]

justinh:

horrible

[04:58:35]

Rhiadon:

I'm not a myth expert by any stretch, I've just fiddled enough that I've learned from a few mistakes

[04:59:02]

Rhiadon:

yes, that was horrible, but funny. In a VERY geeky way

[04:59:32]

iamlindoro:

My 7134 (Kworld 115) has no remote support... yours may not either

[05:00:28]

Zombie:

What Device should I set lirc to use?

[05:01:18]

iamlindoro:

Zombie: I cannot even find your device (well, except for the half-supported PCMCIA version) in linuxtv.org, let alone for lirc... Sounds like it is not well supported

[05:01:24]

iamlindoro:

if at all

[05:01:52]

Rhiadon:

that may very well be the case

[05:02:06]

justinh:

OMG Kevin Greening has died :(

[05:02:15]

Rhiadon:

there are several card that use the 7134 that are not HD cards that are supported if I'm not mistaken

[05:03:18]

iamlindoro:

Rhiadon: 7134 isnt' the only chip on the card... I didn't say it wasn't supported, just that there's no reference to it at linuxtv.org... which is a bad sign

[05:03:18]

Rhiadon:

iamlindoro: have you ever had an issue with the backend hanging on startup saying that the dvb system is busy?

[05:03:36]

iamlindoro:

Rhiadon: No, I haven't

[05:03:41]

Rhiadon:

(not arguing with you at all)

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Rhiadon:

it may be supported, just not known specifically to be supported. :)

[05:04:26]

iamlindoro:

OK... just making the point that the remotes on my two 7134 cards have no support

[05:04:33]

Rhiadon:

right

[05:04:42]

Rhiadon:

they aren;t that good of remotes anyway. :)

[05:04:51]

Rhiadon:

(I've got two 110's)

[05:05:05]

Rhiadon:

using one of them right this moment

[05:05:17]

Rhiadon:

HD is pretty

[05:05:45]

iamlindoro:

That it is... It's worth shelling out for the mceusb anyway, they are a great receiver

[05:06:13]

Rhiadon:

I went ahead and built a serial receiver.

[05:06:21]

Rhiadon:

I'm a cheapskate

[05:07:46]

Rhiadon:

I've only got two issues left, mythbackend seems to hang on boot on the master backend making it so the front end won't connect, and I'm not sure how to make mythfilldatabase run periodically.

[05:09:00]

Rhiadon:

Zombie: did using lirci2c help any at all

[05:09:15]

Rhiadon:

goodness.... lirc_i2c

[05:09:40]

Zombie:

lirc_i2c loads

[05:10:40]

Rhiadon:

well that's a step

[05:13:26]

Zombie:

Also, I have an idea why it doesn't work

[05:13:36]

Zombie:

er, the sound at least.

[05:14:00]

sinthetek:

rhiadon: there is a setting in mythfrontend for mythfilldb auto-run

[05:14:11]

Zombie:

There is a bug in saa7134 driver htat affects the v4l1 to v4l2 bridge

[05:14:41]

sinthetek:

i use lirc_serial for my packard bell serial receiver. did you test with irw/irrecord, etc?

[05:14:50]

Rhiadon:

well mythfilldatabase will run on the remote backend

[05:15:05]

Zombie:

Can I force MythTV to use v4l2?

[05:15:17]

Rhiadon:

will that setting on the frontend make the backend run mythfilldatabase?

[05:15:20]

sinthetek:

i don't know what chips it uses or whatever, heh. i know it doesn't detect other remotes i tried though (someone told me that it should once)

[05:16:03]

sinthetek:

Rhiadon: yeah, it monitors state of listings and runs mythfilldb when they are mostly starting to expire or something

[05:16:18]

Rhiadon:

alrigty then

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[05:16:28]

Rhiadon:

for some reason I didn;t think of that

[05:16:46]

sinthetek:

pretty much the only time unknowns showed up was when zap2it bugged out for a few days couple of months back

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Zombie:

Rhiadon: Hello?

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Rhiadon:

I'm here

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Rhiadon:

did you say somethign that I missed?

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[05:27:01]

Rhiadon:

oh, sorry, I thought that was directed at someone else

[05:27:11]

Rhiadon:

you know more than I do on that subject

[05:27:18]

Zombie:

There is a bug in saa7134 driver htat affects the v4l1 to v4l2 bridge

[05:27:41]

Zombie:

Can I force MythTV to use v4l2?

[05:27:43]

Rhiadon:

I've not worried about any version of v4l. Everything just automagically works with mythbuntu

[05:27:56]

Zombie:

This is Mandriva.

[05:28:47]

Rhiadon:

unless you have a real strong reason to use mandriva, I strongly recommend mythbuntu.

[05:29:28]

Rhiadon:

I had a working 4 tuner system with a remote backend in less than 2 hours

[05:29:44]

Rhiadon:

and that's not becuase I'm good.

[05:30:01]

Rhiadon:

it might clear up all of the issues you are having with your audio even

[05:30:08]

Zombie:

I do.

[05:30:23]

Zombie:

I have an existing Mandriva Infrastructure.

[05:30:52]

Zombie:

OpenLDAP. Kerberos, Samba, AFS, Bind, FreeRadius, Apache, eGroupware

[05:31:14]

Rhiadon:

ahhh

[05:31:33]

Rhiadon:

so it;s a tradeoff, easier to setup myth or easier to integrate with your current infrastructure

[05:31:44]

Zombie:

Myth was supposed to be just one more application/

[05:32:08]

iamlindoro:

Myth is just one more application

[05:32:35]

iamlindoro:

If the hardware has limited or no support, it's not myth's fault

[05:32:47]

Rhiadon:

it shodul be that easy but it never is in practice

[05:33:14]

Rhiadon:

well, what woudl it cost you to try to integrate an ubuntu box into your infrastructure

[05:33:21]

Rhiadon:

not much, I'd say

[05:34:11]

Rhiadon:

I mean, you don;t have a working myth box yet. :)

[05:34:49]

Rhiadon:

but that's your call. not mine.

[05:35:05]

Rhiadon:

I wish you lots of luck. I need to go to bed

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Zombie:

http://pastebin.ca/839754

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cecil:

Zombie: less I'm mistaken MythTV dropped support for V4L many many many months ago

[05:42:17]

keith__:

"dropped"?

[05:42:23]

GreyFoxx:

no

[05:42:36]

GreyFoxx:

Otherwise framegrabbers would no longer work :)

[05:43:38]

justinh:

if only

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justinh:

I'm really starting to wonder wtf was in those last 2 pills I took at 10pm last night

[05:44:41]

justinh:

supposedly paracetamol 'plus'. I'm blimmin racing, still

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iamlindoro_:

Plus amphetamine

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Zombie:

Its still not unmutting the sound

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roothorick:

do nV cards have a way of adjusting the picture position on the TV in hardware?

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roothorick:

my nV card is throwing the picture down and to the right so I can see the left and top porch. Can I fix that somehow?

[06:54:32]

Tanthrix:

roothorick: Take a look in nvidia-settings. If you can't fix it there, your only hope is to try different modes and such.

[06:55:19]

roothorick:

not quite

[06:55:24]

roothorick:

found a tool called nvtv

[06:55:27]

roothorick:

will screw around

[06:55:48]

roothorick:

of courrse, the question is how well that tool will play with the binary drivers

[06:56:13]

roothorick:

I'm getting the blue (looks purple actually) border on Xv too, grr

[06:57:17]

roothorick:

while I'm at it, what's the best WM for a dedicated MythTV machine?

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Tanthrix:

roothorick: Most of us prefer something simple, since it's pointless to have anything fancy for a machine you'll hardly ever be using as a desktop, if ever. I go with fluxbox, myself.

[06:57:57]

roothorick:

I'm running with no WM right now but focus breaks when mythvideo calls mplayer

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[07:03:23]

tank-man:

i hate those focus problems, my mythfrontend is on a second monitor and sometimes i have to move the mouse cursor to gain focus to use the ir remote

[07:08:07]

Hoxzer:

Same here. I have Dual headed system and program guide doesn't work if the window isn't focused.

[07:08:17]

Hoxzer:

Making it impossible to use EPG on another end

[07:11:13]

Hoxzer:

I found a way to use telnet interface to check wether or not the EPG is active on another end... but I'm still working on it to implement it to my window select script

[07:11:53]

Hoxzer:

Also, I have event device as my remote so I still have to have (AFAIK) a window selected to use it

[07:12:35]

Hoxzer:

If somebody knows how to guide event devices keypresses to certain window I would gladly wanna know

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Tanthrix:

I have the occasionally issue with pop up windows in myth, but all I need to do is open and close them a few times on the remote.

[07:14:42]

Tanthrix:

Never actually had to get up and move the mouse over. No idea why it works after a few times though.

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Hoxzer:

What I have noticed is that mythtv actually by itself focuses the window sometimes

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peque:

Goodmorning and happy newyear

[07:33:34]

peque:

Is there any describtion on how to make Frontends DVD-rom visible to the backend. I have a backend in the garage – but it looks for me as the backend thinks there's only 1DVD and that's the one in the backend – so eject buttoms etc ain't working – Is there someone you can explain or guide me how to make them visible in the system

[07:53:35]

Hoxzer:

peque: it is not new year :E

[07:53:39]

Hoxzer:

yet

[07:54:52]

peque:

Well allmost here in DK – and to be polite here in denmark you'll say it in such a situation – when you're entering a place – but it was to offend any

[07:59:49]

JohnQ:

Any of you using an iMon Inside or an iMon VFD? Im curious if the lirc support allows you to use other remoted besides the one that comes with the iMon or not.

[08:13:18]

iamlindoro_:

JohnQ: Yes, you can use other remotes... although my experience was that I had to re-record codes as it interpreted them strangely

[08:13:32]

JohnQ:

you have one?

[08:13:49]

iamlindoro_:

Have set one up, none in my current systems

[08:13:51]

JohnQ:

RC5 too? or just RC6?

[08:13:56]

iamlindoro_:

6 only

[08:14:00]

JohnQ:

dang

[08:14:27]

JohnQ:

Sounds like I may end up with an iMon and a redular lirc serial.

[08:14:39]

rooaus:

peque: Happy new year! Same custom here :)

[08:14:50]

Cackette:

has anyone managed to get a harmony 550 to work w/ lirc?

[08:15:08]

iamlindoro_:

Cackette: Most people who get the Harmony remotes to work have them emulate mceusb's

[08:15:36]

Cackette:

i have one just for controlling my A/V equip

[08:15:44]

Cackette:

how hard is it to setup to work w/ LIRC

[08:15:50]

JohnQ:

I have a harmony 500, and it is happy emulating my hauppauge remote.. for example

[08:16:19]

iamlindoro_:

peque: in a perfect world, courtesy would be a custom everywhere... Happy New Year ;)

[08:16:25]

JohnQ:

I found it easier to have the harmony just emulate the remote that lirc already understands.

[08:16:34]

Cackette:

how do you do that

[08:16:38]

iamlindoro_:

No harder than setting up any other remote from scratch

[08:17:08]

Cackette:

so you dont have to use a keyboard and mouse any more, right?

[08:17:34]

JohnQ:

I wonder if lirc even lets you handle multiple recievers.

[08:17:49]

iamlindoro_:

You do it by going to the wiki and looking up harmony remote and setting it up just like the 880

[08:17:59]

iamlindoro_:

JohnQ: Yes, it does

[08:18:02]

Cackette:

they work the same?

[08:18:06]

iamlindoro_:

Yes

[08:18:35]

Cackette:

so, does it control only 1 card?

[08:18:38]

Cackette:

or can it control 2

[08:18:55]

iamlindoro_:

lirc doesn't control cards at all

[08:19:21]

iamlindoro_:

myth controls television cards, lirc just binds a keyboard mapping to an IR signal

[08:19:27]

Cackette:

ahh

[08:19:36]

iamlindoro_:

and, if asked, blasts IR out ir Transceivers

[08:19:46]

Cackette:

so how does the signal get to myth

[08:20:02]

iamlindoro_:

via an lircrc file

[08:20:05]

Cackette:

theres this s-vcd dongle thingy that has a IR light on it

[08:20:07]

Cackette:

is that how?

[08:20:18]

Cackette:

that came w/ my pchdtv hd-5500

[08:20:22]

iamlindoro_:

all things are revealed on the wiki...http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC

[08:20:28]

iamlindoro_:

Cackette: yes

[08:20:53]

Cackette:

hrmm, i'll have to check that out

[08:21:14]

iamlindoro_:

Read that wiki page... it will explain it better than discussing it and my blood pressure will remain lower

[08:21:36]

Cackette:

lol

[08:23:07]

JohnQ:

Damn.. Why isnt there a simple solution that can turn on my machine like an imon, and work with any remote like lirc_serial? Is that really too much to ask? :-)

[08:23:26]

JohnQ:

Maybe my answer is an imon and lirc_serial running together... but.. ew.

[08:23:51]

Cackette:

ok, next question

[08:23:55]

JohnQ:

This does not seem like it should be such an ordeal.

[08:24:06]

Cackette:

what causes like white distortion @ the top of some channels in myth?

[08:24:08]

iamlindoro_:

JohnQ: not terribly difficult to run multiple lirc modules

[08:24:17]

iamlindoro_:

Cackette: That's closed captioning information

[08:24:24]

peque:

Have anybody got a inetbox 300s (dreambox500) to run along with MythTV as a external tuner

[08:24:27]

Cackette:

even if CC is off?

[08:24:33]

iamlindoro_:

That's where it's encoded... on most tube televisions with overscan, it's invisible

[08:24:35]

Cackette:

its like dancing white scribbles

[08:24:40]

iamlindoro_:

yes, the encoding is still there

[08:24:49]

Cackette:

any way to hide it?

[08:24:52]

Cackette:

or get rid of t

[08:24:58]

JohnQ:

ya, I was just excited about the idea of not needing the long serial dongle. The iMon that fits into the drive bay is nice and sexy.

[08:25:12]

iamlindoro_:

Cackette: Not easily

[08:25:20]

iamlindoro_:

easy enough to get rid of in transcode, of course

[08:25:20]

Cackette:

ok

[08:25:41]

Cackette:

i doubt i'll be doing much, if any, transcoding

[08:26:41]

Cackette:

just record, pause, and watch

[08:27:22]

Cackette:

so, when i get my pvr-150, will that need to be connected to my sound card for analog TV?

[08:27:37]

iamlindoro_:

No

[08:27:50]

Cackette:

whats the point of audio-out on the cards then

[08:28:02]

iamlindoro_:

There is no audio out on them

[08:28:16]

iamlindoro_:

audio in, and ir are the minijacks

[08:28:33]

Cackette:

then, the s-vhs thingy, why does it have an audio out line

[08:28:56]

Cackette:

tells you to plug it into line-in on the sound card

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iamlindoro_:

I dunno what s-vhs is

[08:29:23]

iamlindoro_:

pvr-150 hs no audio out, audio in only

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Cackette:

its similar to s-video, on the hd-5500

[08:29:50]

iamlindoro_:

(aside from super-chs, which is not a connector)

[08:29:59]

Cackette:

but it has an IR receiver, component in, audio out

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iamlindoro_:

I have a hd 5500 and I've never heard of s-vhs

[08:30:02]

Cackette:

and something else

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iamlindoro_:

My hd 5500 has coaxial, S-video, and one minijack

[08:31:07]

iamlindoro_:

the minijack being audio out

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Cackette:

ugh

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.pchdtv.com/hd_5500.html

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Cackette:

apparently the IR isnt supported on the hd 5500

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iamlindoro_:

note the input output section

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Cackette:

One stereo connection jack to sound card for analog TV

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Cackette:

how come that isnt needed?

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iamlindoro_:

What are you looking at?

[08:32:20]

iamlindoro_:

That's audio IN

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iamlindoro_:

to the pvr-150

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Cackette:

thats from the page you linked

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iamlindoro_:

if you use s-video or component, you need to get the audio in somehow...

[08:32:49]

iamlindoro_:

ah

[08:32:57]

iamlindoro_:

hd-5500 is a framegrabber when you use it in atsc mode

[08:33:00]

Cackette:

so, i wont need to hook either a pvr-150 or hd-5500 to my sound card?

[08:33:04]

iamlindoro_:

pvr-150 is not a framegrabbe

[08:33:27]

iamlindoro_:

hd-5500 in ATSC mode needs no audio into sound card. In ntsc (framegrabber) mode, it does

[08:33:41]

iamlindoro_:

pvr-150 is not a framegrabber... it wil *never* require audio into the sound card

[08:34:06]

Cackette:

kk

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iamlindoro_:

and, for reference, there is no IR on the hd 5500

[08:34:27]

Cackette:

my case arrives wednesday so i clean up the crazy mes

[08:34:45]

Cackette:

isnt there IR on the dongle thingy that plugs into the card

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iamlindoro_:

No

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Cackette:

there is on mine

[08:35:11]

Cackette:

says IR receiver (not yet supported)

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iamlindoro_:

Not unless they've changed something since the one on the site and the one I own

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Cackette:

http://www.linux.com/feature/59157

[08:35:39]

Cackette:

"The thing that surprised me the most about the card is the inclusion of an IR receiver. The surprise faded quickly — the instructions state that it's not yet supported."

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iamlindoro_:

Well mine certainly doesn't have one.. nor does the one pictured on their site

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Cackette:

the dongle isnt pictured

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iamlindoro_:

There is no dongle that ever came with mine

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iamlindoro_:

nor is there a port for one on the picture on their site

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Cackette:

weird

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iamlindoro_:

mmhm

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Cackette:

well, i've gotta get up early

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Cackette:

sleep

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Cackette:

peace

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MilhousePunkRock:

Hello everyone!

[08:40:41]

iamlindoro_:

Hahahaha

[08:40:58]

iamlindoro_:

I was just looking at the HDHomeRun site for the lineup for my area, and it includes screenshots

[08:41:02]

iamlindoro_:

which is a nice touch

[08:41:04]

iamlindoro_:

including this one

[08:41:06]

iamlindoro_:

http://img.lineupui.silicondust.com/snapshots . . . t_502022.jpg

[08:41:09]

Cackette:

"They come with a breakout cable but it looks like just S-Video, composite, audio, and IR receiver are provided on it"

[08:41:17]

Cackette:

wow, thats not hot

[08:41:21]

MilhousePunkRock:

When I boot the MythTV Box without keyboard and mouse attached, the remote control is not working properly (only the arrow keys work, pretty much no other). I assume this is being related to the remote becoming another /dev/input/eventX

[08:41:39]

MilhousePunkRock:

Can I cure this behaviour with an appropriate udev rule set?

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iamlindoro_:

MilhousePunkRock: What remote?

[08:42:34]

iamlindoro_:

I assume ATI

[08:42:39]

iamlindoro_:

which comes up as a HID device

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MilhousePunkRock:

iamlindoro_: Hauppauge Nova-T 500 remote... I had the same behaviour before I replaced the config files with those from the wiki

[08:42:58]

iamlindoro_:

MilhousePunkRock: So it's just an lirc remote?

[08:43:03]

MilhousePunkRock:

iamlindoro_: Yes

[08:43:25]

iamlindoro_:

In that case, I would look into other causes... the fact that some keys work point to a software issue

[08:44:12]

MilhousePunkRock:

iamlindoro_: I will boot the system without keyboard and remote and ssh into it to see what dmesg has to say

[08:44:24]

iamlindoro_:

ok

[08:45:20]

MilhousePunkRock:

iamlindoro_: Basically I could have udev handle the device, right?

[08:45:32]

iamlindoro_:

Not really

[08:45:42]

iamlindoro_:

lirc devices are created by lircd

[08:46:01]

iamlindoro_:

you can specify in /etc/lirc/hardware.conf which gets which though

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Dibblah:

Not all remotes are handled through LIRC directly ;)

[08:46:25]

iamlindoro_:

ie, udev won't work because the lirc device isn't created at boot time, or by the kernel

[08:46:58]

MilhousePunkRock:

iamlindoro_: But I could have udev fix what /dev/input the remote becomes and point to that by lirc, yes?

[08:47:00]

iamlindoro_:

Dibblah: Sounds like this one *probably* is though... I expect it should be somewhat like most of the other hauppauge remotes, no?

[08:47:52]

iamlindoro_:

MilhousePunkRock: Well, I'm not aware of any ability by lirc to specifically state any /dev/input#

[08:49:00]

iamlindoro_:

MilhousePunkRock: Moreover, I've only worked with udev's symlinking functionality... ie your remote will still become a rendom event input, but then also gets symlinked to another #... and that wouldn't help you, I don't think

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iamlindoro_:

er random

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Dibblah:

No. It's /dev/input based.

[08:50:51]

Dibblah:

Does your kernel create a /dev/input/by-id directory?

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iamlindoro_:

Dibblah: Then you go ahead and help him, sounds like you've got this well in hand

[08:51:31]

Dibblah:

If so, you can use /dev/input/by-id/usb-Logitech_USB_Receiver-mouse

[08:51:47]

Dibblah:

(Of course, that's not actually the example you need...)

[08:52:21]

MilhousePunkRock:

Dibblah: I am not currently at the Myth machine

[08:53:45]

Dibblah:

Hmmm... Actually, that may not work.

[08:53:50]

MilhousePunkRock:

If you look here http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_500_PCI the remote receiver becomes /class/input/inputX and lirc points to /dev/input/eventX where X is the same in both cases

[08:54:00]

Dibblah:

http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7953

[08:55:16]

MilhousePunkRock:

Dibblah: I do have /dev/input/by-id here on the laptop running Kubuntu Gutsy, the Mythbox is running Mythbuntu Gutsy, so it should be the same

[08:56:17]

Dibblah:

Yeah, but only USB (Not PCI) devices create nodes there.

[08:56:38]

Dibblah:

And the remote is handled on the PCI bridge, as far as I can see.

[08:56:54]

Dibblah:

Might be wrong, of course :)

[08:57:13]

Dibblah:

Should be a workaround in the bugzilla entry though. Try it ...

[08:57:57]

MilhousePunkRock:

Dibblah: The good thing about the Nova-T 500 is, that it actually is a USB device... PCI USB Hub that handles two USB tuners.. Confusing enough

[08:58:16]

Dibblah:

Yes, I know.

[08:58:18]

MilhousePunkRock:

input: IR-receiver inside an USB DVB receiver as /class/input/input4

[08:58:39]

Dibblah:

And that's not exactly what I'd call a "good thing" ;)

[09:01:15]

MilhousePunkRock:

The bugreport is a little old, the current *buntu Kernel is 2.6.22, maybe it's fixed there

[09:05:06]

MilhousePunkRock:

Another thing about the remote: If I start irw and hold down a key, I only get one keypress reported. Is there a way to force a repeat?

[09:05:36]

MilhousePunkRock:

Other than pressing the key again, of course

[09:14:32]

sinthetek:

MilhousePunkRock: there is a 'repeat' keyword or whatever. just put 'repeat = 1' or whatever in the button definition

[09:15:52]

MilhousePunkRock:

sinthetek: But shouldn't irw report constant keypresses in the first place? repeat =2 and repeat = 3 did not work, haven't tried 1 though

[09:17:43]

JohnQ:

MilhousePunkRock: try and see what mode2 reports when you hold down a key

[09:17:44]

sinthetek:

MilhousePunkRock: i believe it depends on how the remote itself was originally programmed. when i setup my lirc some docs said different remotes/users will probably prefer/use different repeat settings. repeat=1 is what i use for volume and directional-navigation buttons in mythtv and amarok it worked fine with my remote

[09:18:04]

JohnQ:

MilhousePunkRock: If mode2 shows a continuous stream of data, you have a chance.

[09:18:14]

JohnQ:

MilhousePunkRock: If it does not... no chance

[09:20:11]

MilhousePunkRock:

JohnQ: OK, I'll try that... Assuming that mode2 is something lirc irw... ;)

[09:20:26]

JohnQ:

it is just like irw but lower level.

[09:20:39]

JohnQ:

It reports the actual pulses and pauses in the infrared light.

[09:21:21]

JohnQ:

You'll need to stop your lircd though

[09:21:22]

MilhousePunkRock:

On the long run, I will probably get a Logitech Harmony anyway... But that's still 6 months or so

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MilhousePunkRock:

JohnQ: mode2: error opening /dev/lirc

[09:36:26]

JohnQ:

stop your lircd

[09:37:13]

MilhousePunkRock:

It is stopped

[09:37:26]

JohnQ:

something is using your /dev/lirc

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MilhousePunkRock:

JohnQ: Obviously I do not even have /dev/lirc

[09:39:14]

JohnQ:

wow.. do you have a /dev/lirc0?

[09:39:38]

MilhousePunkRock:

JohnQ: Now that the demon is started, I have /dev/lircd, that's it

[09:40:11]

JohnQ:

interesting. How are you stopping your lircd?

[09:40:38]

MilhousePunkRock:

Dibblah: No /dev/input/by-id here... Only by-patch, and that seems to recognise the IR receiver as PCI

[09:41:51]

MilhousePunkRock:

Dibblah: by-path that is

[09:42:04]

JohnQ:

start your lircd like normal, then leave the modules installed, but kill the lircd using: killall lircd

[09:42:11]

JohnQ:

then run mode2

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MilhousePunkRock:

JohnQ: Same thing

[09:43:05]

MilhousePunkRock:

error opening /dev/lirc

[09:43:17]

JohnQ:

is lirc_dev show up when you do an lsmod?

[09:44:20]

MilhousePunkRock:

JohnQ: No... The system has been resumed from hibernation, possibly something is wrong with that, I will reboot it...

[09:45:02]

JohnQ:

huh

[09:46:03]

JohnQ:

Must be something strange in there.. as long as the lirc_dev and the module for your driver is there, and lircd isn't running, you should be able to run mode2

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Dibblah:

JohnQ: It's a /dev/input device.

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JohnQ:

interesting. just secify the device on the irw comman line irw -d /dev/input/whatever

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MilhousePunkRock:

Ok, reboot in progres now

[09:50:38]

MilhousePunkRock:

Hold your thoughts, I will be right back

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MilhousePunkRock:

re

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** JohnQ divulges all the secrets **

[09:51:19]

JohnQ:

oops hes back!

[09:52:01]

MilhousePunkRock:

;)

[09:52:42]

MilhousePunkRock:

How can I have mythwelcome lock the shutdown again?

[09:53:59]

JohnQ:

mythshutdown -l?

[09:54:35]

MilhousePunkRock:

So here I am in a freshly booted state...

[09:54:53]

MilhousePunkRock:

Without any prior conversation from the channel though, that was on the laptop... ;)

[09:55:22]

JohnQ:

heh

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JohnQ:

mode2 -d /dev/input/whatever

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MilhousePunkRock:

with or without lircd running?

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JohnQ:

w/o

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JohnQ:

I need to run

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MilhousePunkRock:

Great

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MilhousePunkRock:

It's not working with my receiver it says

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MilhousePunkRock:

OK, repeat is less important than consistency with the remote

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dibblah: Any further thoughts?

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Dibblah:

MilhousePunkRock: I don't have any good ideas, I'm afraid.

[11:32:32]

Dibblah:

Only thing I can think of is to try one then the other in a script.

[11:32:37]

MilhousePunkRock:

And it seems that the problem now occurs after hibernating too

[11:33:53]

MilhousePunkRock:

Which connects to the fact that my machine does not wake up by ACPI from a complete power off, but from hibernate (which is faster too)

[11:36:20]

MilhousePunkRock:

Dibblah: I have never scripted anything until now... I wonder why I have /etc/udev/rules.d/85-lirc.rules and 65-persistent-input.rules though

[11:36:57]

Dibblah:

AFAIK, persistent is created by the distribution at runtime.

[11:37:18]

Dibblah:

So, for example, if you plug in a mouse, it'll *always* appear at the same node.

[11:37:29]

Dibblah:

But, as said previously, that only works for USB devices.

[11:38:14]

MilhousePunkRock:

Dibblah: It's a PS/2 mouse

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MilhousePunkRock:

One thought I just had, it is probably possible to have multiple remotes assigned, each being one /dev/input/eventX

[11:41:07]

Dibblah:

Yup. If you rewrite LIRC.

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MilhousePunkRock:

If I now figure out which events they become, I can probably just set up both and since physically there only is one remote at the time, that one will be used...

[11:41:44]

MilhousePunkRock:

Dibblah: Rewrite LIRC? As in the program? C'mon

[11:43:32]

Dibblah:

With LIRC, one instance == one device.

[11:44:12]

Dibblah:

You have to do funky things to allow it to work with two instances in parallel.

[11:44:44]

Dibblah:

Is it not possible to point it to /dev/input/events or something?

[11:45:37]

Dibblah:

Ah. There isn't one.

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dibblah: Just found this, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=222672 but it refers to udev, which probably won't work for PCI, like you said before

[11:54:25]

MilhousePunkRock:

I do get udevinfo about the device though

[11:57:10]

MilhousePunkRock:

And it reads like it is pretty much exactly what I need

[12:00:03]

MilhousePunkRock:

Dibblah: Are you familiar enough to help me figure out what attributes and especially how many of them I need?

[12:00:13]

MilhousePunkRock:

with udev

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Dibblah:

Sorry, no :(

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just_joe_:

howdy – ive been using my mythtv with tv out. I was thinking of buying a flat screen tv, if i just plug into the TV's vga monitor in port will I get the same quality picture?

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justinh:

that's up to the TV

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justinh:

hmmm still no data for 2008 in uk_rt :(

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just_joe_:

true

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justinh:

YMMV when displaying SDTV on a flat panel

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just_joe_:

hmm

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justinh:

CRTs are very forgiving, flat panels are much less so

[12:15:12]

justinh:

ooo Richer have a Hitachi 1080p set for under Â£500 now

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just_joe_:

but isn't that what a flat panel tv is supposed to do? display sdtv?

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justinh:

yeah but they don't all have the same scaling & processing engines inside

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justinh:

using VGA input at the set's native resolution (i.e. letting mythtv do the scaling) will generally be better than relying on the TV though, IMHO

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justinh:

I remember demoing mythtv at a linux expo on a flat panel last year – there was one 'customer' who left the stand feeling less than impressed by mythtv because of the picture quality

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just_joe_:

well thats true the video card better do the native resolution of the TV

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justinh:

1368x768 is a common resolution for 'hd ready' panels

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just_joe_:

i thought when you used the vga port the video card did all the work and any other input the tv did the work?

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justinh:

depends what res you feed it

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just_joe_:

none native resolutions means the tv has to reprocess it right?

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justinh:

yup

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just_joe_:

non-native that is...

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just_joe_:

so i guess my question is, if I buy a good graphics card that matches the native resolution of the panel, is that the same quality picture as say component or s-video in from my dvd player? (as an example)

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justinh:

theoretically should be way better than those inputs

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just_joe_:

got it

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justinh:

dvi/hdmi > VGA / component/ RGB > s-video > composite > RF

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just_joe_:

dvi digital? i thought dvi analog was the same as rgb just a different connector?

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just_joe_:

which is why there is that little dongle to switch from dvi analog back to vga

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justinh:

DVI digital I meant

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justinh:

and fwiw, RGB can mean SCART too

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just_joe_:

ahh thanks.

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Dibblah:

justinh: 1366x768.

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Dibblah:

Bloody nvidia.

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just_joe_:

i dont like the quality of my video card tv-out (radeon 9250) and was thinking of just upgrading the tv and the card in one shot

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justinh:

Nvidia

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Dibblah:

(The native res of the panels is 1366x768, not 1368x...)

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justinh:

so I was nearly right

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Dibblah:

The 1368x768 belief comes from the nvidia driver requiring resolutions to be multiples of 8.

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Dibblah:

So, not true with Intel / ATI.

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Dibblah:

Not sure about Via.

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justinh:

Via don't even exist, so they're not a problem :)

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justinh:

sigh. had to enable EIT for all my channels :(

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justinh:

8 days' worth of data is better than none I suppose

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justinh:

all this fuss about uk_rt not having any guide data for next year though- there's FA on anyway

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justinh:

the Dr. Who turkey is being repeated tomorrow. Again

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Dibblah:

It could have been worse.

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Dibblah:

... It could have been 1:30 long.

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justinh:

lol

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justinh:

to hell with Gordon Brown's foreign policy decisions – let's petition the govt. to get Russel T Davies sacked

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DGnome:

<3 EIT

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DGnome:

and I'll be loving the LG 42LF65 panel i ordered even more as soon as i get it :)

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DGnome:

can't wait and now i'm driving me crazy ;)

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just_joe_:

thanks for the advice justin!

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dibblah: udev can bite my shiny metal ***

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MilhousePunkRock:

Dibblah: I do have /dev/input/remote as a symlink now created by udev

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justinh:

heh just seen one of my mates on BBC3

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Daviey:

PANIC!

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justinh:

still no epg data for tomorrow & beyond eh

[14:30:41]

Daviey:

yup

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justinh:

I keep taking a peek at a channel.dat too

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justinh:

I've gone over to EIT til it's fixed

[14:32:04]

Daviey:

hmm.. i'm not @ home...

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justinh:

jeus sourceforge! longest checkout ever!

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Daviey:

wonder how well mythtv-setup works over SSH

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Daviey:

(over the interweb)

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jduggan:

btw, where is there confirmation that channel4 is going fta after march? i couldnt find anything related, only that their ftv contract is up

[14:33:42]

jduggan:

in 2008

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Daviey:

free to air?

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jduggan:

yea

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Daviey:

Chan4 is already fta is it not?

[14:34:23]

jduggan:

it is not

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justinh:

Daviey: just stop the backend, do some mysql-fu :)

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Daviey:

justinh: hell yeah

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justinh:

update channel set useonairguide=1 where sourceid=foo;

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Daviey:

I hate sql

[14:35:46]

Daviey:

oh dear, i can see phpmyadmin getting installed

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justinh:

you can set useonairguide in mythweb too

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Daviey:

hmm, will that slot in with xmltv being ran aswell

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Daviey:

owww, mythweb has repair table option.. thats new

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justinh:

Daviey: yeah should be ok

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Daviey:

ta

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Daviey:

i can see a mythweb patch being submitted soon :/

[14:45:57]

xand:

I already have useonairguide=1 for all my channels, but there is no listing data...

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Daviey:

I've just done it, no change yet

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justinh:

I think you need to enable something else too hang on

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Daviey:

Doesn't a video source need to be set for OTA?

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justinh:

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justinh:

+----------+---------+---------------+--------+-----------+----------+---------- +--------+

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justinh:

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xand:

what table is that?

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justinh:

videosource

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xand:

ah

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xand:

do you have to restart the backend after changing it?

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Daviey:

i did

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Daviey:

just in case

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justinh:

stop the backend first, do the change, then restart the backend

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xand:

um

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xand:

well, mythweb still shows only data for today

[14:49:43]

Daviey:

same here

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zedman4068:

hi all, anyone noticing segfaults in livetv in the latest svn (15270)

[14:49:51]

Daviey:

can we Panic yet?

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zedman4068:

i should say when exiting livetv

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justinh:

Daviey: the end of the world is only _nigh_ – it's not here yet

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Daviey:

cool

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xand:

well... can always use the old fashioned manual programming ;)

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justinh:

give it til 4pm

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justinh:

MythVideoPlus(tm)

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xand:

lol

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justinh:

MythVideoPlus(tm) is an open sores application

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xand:

oh!

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xand:

Daviey: listings appeared now

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xand:

well, they're partly there at least

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xand:

I guess it's still downloading them

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xand:

or it doesn't work very well :)

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xand:

so... is the only reason to use RT rather than EIT that it (normally) has 2 weeks of data instead of 1?

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justinh:

no, we get movie ratings & essays for descriptions

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xand:

ah yes

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justinh:

and they spoil the endings on RT :P

[14:55:23]

xand:

but are there any technical benefits?

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justinh:

other than the extra week, no – infact there are disadvantages

[14:55:43]

xand:

oh, getting virgin 1 right is a benefit of EIT :)

[14:55:50]

justinh:

EIT is updated much more often

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xand:

k, do I have to disable the xmltvgrabber (by changing in the videsource table) or will EIT override it?

[14:56:37]

justinh:

and with the Freeview Playback features, we'll get series link & flags in trailers as well as show start & end flags

[14:58:26]

justinh:

shouldn't have to I don't think

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justinh:

I'm looking fwd to the trailer flags. see a trail in a recording, press a button to schedule its recording :D

[14:59:37]

MilhousePunkRock:

Daviey: Hey! Fixed the remote being a different interface when booting without mouse and keyboard!

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justinh:

a lot like Sly's Green button thing but it'll work on recordings!

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Daviey:

MilhousePunkRock: how

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MilhousePunkRock:

Daviey: udev rule

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Daviey:

i was thinking that, but creating a symlink instead of hard fixing the event numer

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Daviey:

pastebin?

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justinh:

be nice to see human readable device names one day

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MilhousePunkRock:

Wasn't as trivial as I thought it would be... For some reason it would not use it when in 65-symlink.rules

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Daviey:

justinh: it's pretty much there already /dev/event/by-id/

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MilhousePunkRock:

Daviey: I don't have dev/event/by-id, since that's only for USB devices and the remote receiver is PCI

[15:01:45]

justinh:

well, 3pm & still no data for 2008

[15:02:03]

Daviey:

bastards

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xand:

what does mythtv if you set something to record, then the EPG is updated so it's shown at a different time?

[15:02:20]

xand:

+do

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justinh:

http://talk.radiotimes.com/thread.jspa?threadID=400000433

[15:03:35]

MilhousePunkRock:

Daviey: I put it in 10-local.rules now, it works from there... Found that on the italian ubuntu forum, of course I only understood the Code: parts

[15:03:50]

justinh:

"Work has already commenced on reinstating the service. We shall return to this forum on Wednesday 2 January (when we can discuss the matter with the head of the technical team) to confirm the date when it shall be fixed."

[15:04:06]

justinh:

it's the end of the world!!!!!!!

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xand:

yeah just read that ;)

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xand:

but if i have eit i don't care

[15:05:19]

MilhousePunkRock:

For the moment I have given up on the repeat issue with the remote, only thing left to get to live is acpi-wakeup before the box can "go into production"

[15:05:52]

MilhousePunkRock:

Picture that, folks: In Germany there is _only_ EIT, no xmltv source, pretty much

[15:06:17]

justinh:

!trout the_moaners

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** MythLogBot slaps the_moaners with a trout on behalf of justinh... **

[15:06:49]

justinh:

FFS people are whining about a service they don't pay a penny for. they're not doing the community any favours whatsoever

[15:06:51]

xand:

lol "Hi, I too have registered in order to add my name to this thread. As has already been said, all PVRs that depend on this service (which I would imagine is most home-built PVRs in the UK) will be useless from midnight tonight unless the service is repaired today." ORLY?

[15:07:15]

xand:

I'd imagine most PVRs use EIT rather than a website...

[15:07:16]

justinh:

I'm going to register just to say yeah it's a slight inconvience but come on..

[15:08:45]

Daviey:

awesome, 13 mins later and mythtv-setup appears over ssh \o/

[15:09:46]

xand:

bugger

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xand:

so why does itv2 only show trailers in its breaks? :S

[15:11:49]

justinh:

because they couldn't sell any ads?

[15:13:22]

justinh:

"It's not the end of the world and free tv listings data isn't a birthright folks, so let's all be realistic and reasonable here."

[15:14:05]

Daviey:

justinh: would would say that, you are trying to scam us with a non-profit org'

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Daviey:

:D

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** xand remembers when radio times (magazine) only had bbc listings :O **

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justinh:

I remember when the Radio Times only had radio listings :P

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justinh:

</lie>

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xand:

you must be old ;)

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Daviey:

and the best part is the _Radio_ Times XMLTV source doesn't have radio listings :)

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xand:

lol

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justinh:

yeah but if you only want dvb-t radio listings, eit is ideal

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Daviey:

sure

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justinh:

apparently there's some europe-wide listings service that also covers the UK

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Daviey:

bleb?

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justinh:

nah not them

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justinh:

jesus I wonder what kind of ruck was caused when bleb was last down for _months_

[15:19:27]

justinh:

"wah wah wah, meh meh meh.. but.. but... whinge"

[15:20:10]

justinh:

wonder how many refusenicks caved in & started using SD when the shit hit the fan..

[15:20:43]

justinh:

I wouldn't mind paying for uk_rt. don't mind paying for anything if I feel I get value

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justinh:

though if uk_rt went to a subs-based thing I'd much prefer if they had long & short descriptions. I changed the desc area in glass-wide to allow 5 lines & even that's not enough

[15:22:16]

justinh:

sometimes though there's a huge space underneath

[15:22:27]

Daviey:

justinh: How about paying for #mythtv-users, talking to be is the best value service on the net.. [FACT]

[15:22:35]

Daviey:

s/be/me

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justinh:

how about paying me $100 for every theme download? :P

[15:23:25]

justinh:

I wonder what gene defect I have that makes me not care how many people use my themes

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AndyCap:

overstimulated and worn out amygdala

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Daviey:

amy who?

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justinh:

I think he meant I'm not getting enough anymore

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Daviey:

:(

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Daviey:

well staying up till 4:00 am aint helping :)

[15:27:24]

Daviey:

<--

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justinh:

yeha I got to the bottom of that

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justinh:

bloody tesco Paracetamol Extra.. 68mg of caffeine in each tablet!

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justinh:

no wonder I felt bouncy til 5.30am

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AndyCap:

um. coffee has 100–150 in a cup. not sure how the availability in coffee is vs. tablets.

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Daviey:

I had a big bottle of tesco redbull @11pm :(

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CaptObviousman:

ok, I need someone in here

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xand:

I wish caffeine had any effect on me

[15:32:26]

CaptObviousman:

to convince me to spend a lot of money building a really cool HTPC

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CaptObviousman:

because I'm too much of a tightass to make the decision myself

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justinh:

really cool == really expensive if it's to be really quiet

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xand:

but then sedatives don't either :D

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CaptObviousman:

I've already got most of the parts

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xand:

<Surgeon> Oh dear, we're going to take a scalpel to you, but you're still awake!"

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xand:

CaptObviousman: what do you need to "spend a lot of money" on then?

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xand:

case?

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xand:

my mythtv box is really quite, but not very pretty ;)

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xand:

it's a dell gx260 tower

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CaptObviousman:

well, as far as cases go

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xand:

*quiet

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CaptObviousman:

the cheap route would be to keep my current kinda-HTPC case and buy another cheap one for the file server

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** xand doesn't like El Cheapo cases **

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xand:

tend to have crap cooling

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CaptObviousman:

the expensive route would be to buy this nice looking HTPC case I've always wanted and migrate the current one over for the file server, because it's got room for six drives in it

[15:36:05]

CaptObviousman:

and the middle of the road would be to buy a nice case for the file server with lots of room that's still significantly cheaper than #2

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justinh:

if you have the luxury of being able to host the backend in a room where you don't care about noise, your options are plenty

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CaptObviousman:

yeah, the back end is in a very large well ventilated closet off from the main room

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xand:

I hate harddisks

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xand:

why do they have to die :(

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justinh:

a livingroom pc is no place for a HDD :)

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xand:

hahahaha

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CaptObviousman:

I should mention I'm already dropping $500 or so on hard drives when the opportunity provides itself

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xand:

my server lives in my living room, with about 10 harddisks and noisy fans

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CaptObviousman:

which makes me cry

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justinh:

you can get some ok looking cases for $200 or so. problem is they're all way too bloody big

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xand:

I was considering mini-itx for a frontend

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xand:

nice and small

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justinh:

or they have crappy front panels smatterred with ports.. or no IR window

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justinh:

xand: plan, so long as it's not Epia junk

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CaptObviousman:

this is the case I own now

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** xand covers his epia box's ears! **

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xand:

though, too slow for mythtv :)

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justinh:

mini-itx is expensive though and can preclude using quiet HSFs

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CaptObviousman:

http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_contents.php?pno=lc17

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CaptObviousman:

bah linewrap sorry

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xand:

mine is fanless except for PSU

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CaptObviousman:

http://tinyurl.com/2hvdm8

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xand:

didn't line wrap

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CaptObviousman:

and this here is what I want to buy, e.g. the expensive route

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CaptObviousman:

http://tinyurl.com/2c9g7f

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justinh:

see if they just put a little tinted window on the front..

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CaptObviousman:

comes with vfd and ir receiver built in to the front panel

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justinh:

that's huge, too big for just a frontend

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CaptObviousman:

it does other things too

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justinh:

I'm diskless. have been for 3 years now

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CaptObviousman:

it's about the same size as my receiver

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CaptObviousman:

I just want it ot look like it belongs under the TV with everything else

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xand:

my server (which I use for mythtv storage) has 2 x 10GB, 2 x 160GB, 4 x 200GB and 2 x 500GB disks... need to condense them and increase capacity :)

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CaptObviousman:

so perhaps a compromise is in order

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CaptObviousman:

know of any cases that come with a front vfd like that and will look like it belongs with other A/V hardwrae?

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justinh:

DVine have some alright cases

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xand:

justinh: is your backend diskless or just the frontend?

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AndyCap:

if only via (or someone else not emotionally attached to via processors) could make a beefier flat-panel pc. :)

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justinh:

xand: just the frontend

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Daviey:

CaptObviousman: Hiper's aint bad

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xand:

I could go diskless for my backend hmm

[15:46:30]

CaptObviousman:

this company makes a pretty cool flat pc case, looks like a five-disc changer

[15:46:44]

justinh:

http://www.ahanix.com/products/mce/

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Daviey:

xand: yeah, storing recordings in ramfs sounds lovely :)

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xand:

Daviey: no, NFS

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xand:

which is what I use already

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Daviey:

xand: i was kinda being sarcastic... :/

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xand:

c.c

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rooaus:

CaptObviousman: http://www.origenae.com/ (I have an X11) and zalman http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/code_list.asp?code=029 amongst others.

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MilhousePunkRock:

What about the Antec Fusion?

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rooaus:

MilhousePunkRock: That was another one that escaped me :)

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justinh:

:O !

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CaptObviousman:

rooaus: those look nice, how much did your X11 cost?

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justinh:

that MCE302 case is like Â£60 on ebay

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MilhousePunkRock:

I am probably getting that one, seems like the VFD and the volume knob are pretty much supported now

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CaptObviousman:

MilhousePunkRock: which?

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MilhousePunkRock:

Antec Fusion

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Daviey:

hmm.. 2007-12–31 15:51:28.896 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

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MilhousePunkRock:

http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15738

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Daviey:

OTA is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput.

[15:52:08]

CaptObviousman:

I'm a real fan of Antec power supplies

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jduggan:

are there many ppl using CF disks in their frontends?

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rooaus:

about AU$290 I think, they are expensive but wasn't much available here. The irtrans are cool as well, the receiver will learn nearly any remote.

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Daviey:

I like Hiper hardware for a good compromise

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CaptObviousman:

last pc I built was the firs ttime I used them, it was very well built and high quality

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xand:

jduggan: not currently but I've played with it and have another CF-based machine

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CaptObviousman:

does the antec fusion use the iMON vfd/ir combo?\

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CaptObviousman:

looks like it from the pics

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justinh:

hey hey it's willcooke coming in to ask wtf is up with uk_rt :)

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MilhousePunkRock:

CaptObviousman: Yes, but it is somewhat customized... There are success reports about it though

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CaptObviousman:

MilhousePunkRock: yeah, i was doing my homework on the other case I showed above. It also uses iMON, and looks like they've resolved issues in lirc 0.8

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CaptObviousman:

customized how?

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willcooke:

justinh, Alright bud! I just added you on last.fm and I thought I drop in here and say hi!

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MilhousePunkRock:

CaptObviousman: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Volume_Knob_on_Antec_Fusion

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CaptObviousman:

grrr

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** CaptObviousman would definitely have to get black **

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MilhousePunkRock:

CaptObviousman: The black one has an LCD instead of an VFD though, it's reported to be pretty bad...

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CaptObviousman:

bleah

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CaptObviousman:

yeah, I missed that just now

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MilhousePunkRock:

I'd prefer the black one too, but from I read it's a no-go

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CaptObviousman:

well, it's a nice looking piece, but I need black so it won't stand out

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CaptObviousman:

everything else including the TV stand is black

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justinh:

I'm on last.fm? lol

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CaptObviousman:

this link on the volume knob is very helpful. I can use that on the other case too

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willcooke:

justinh, It scanned my contacts in gmail, when was the last time you looked? A long time ago I'm guessing

[16:01:15]

MilhousePunkRock:

CaptObviousman: Probably... There is a pretty big article about iMon in general on the Wiki, linking to all the specific stuff

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CaptObviousman:

also the lines aren't as clean on the black fusion

[16:01:24]

** CaptObviousman is being picky now **

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justinh:

willcooke: can't remember ever setting up a last.fm account but there ya go. got man-flu right now so feeling a bit shite

[16:02:07]

MilhousePunkRock:

How can I determine the exact format of the wake time which is right for my machine?

[16:02:07]

willcooke:

justinh, The Jack That House Built â€“ Jack N Chill – Quality

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justinh:

sounds like one o mine

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** CaptObviousman wonders if womanflu would be worse than manflu **

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willcooke:

justinh, likewise. trying to get enough energy to go out later, not looking hopeful.

[16:03:13]

justinh:

can anybody remember the URL of that site that lets you keep your friends up to date with what colour & how many sheets of toilet paper you used when you last went to the crapper?

[16:03:26]

CaptObviousman:

justinh: eww

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justinh:

ahh yes. facebook

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willcooke:

justinh has added the ShitPaperCounter

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justinh:

rofl

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willcooke:

Why not invite your friends to add the ShitPaperCounter too?

[16:04:23]

** willcooke needs Tea **

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justinh:

all my mates were asking why I wasn't on facebook anymore over xmas. you have a good un willcooke ?

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CaptObviousman:

rooaus: argh, I like the look of these cases, but they put the VFD down near the bottom

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justinh:

I was thinking maybe somebody should sue facebook. I mean when you see a fit woman's profile & you click 'poke' it doesn't actually get her to agree to meeting you for sex

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xand:

I'm so glad for that

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justinh:

so's anybody gonna fire up the "end of the world" thread on -users then?

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xand:

is that a mailing list?

[16:08:32]

justinh:

yeah

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justinh:

wow. they're seriously talking about ressurecting mythrecipe

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willcooke:

justinh, Aye – not a bad one. Few beers, saw some friends from way back, ate food. Oh, and built my mate a Myth box out of one of those Dell 99 quid servers.

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xand:

wtf are you doing ubuntu

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CaptObviousman:

what exactly is mythrecipe?

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CaptObviousman:

or do I not want to know

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CaptObviousman:

I gotta say, this myth wiki is really very helpful, lots of good info in here

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CaptObviousman:

so hats off to all of you

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justinh:

they can take the background music junk out of mythrecipe now so it'll at least stand a chance of becoming official

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xand:

does it show recipes?

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Daviey:

Well got OTA working, but probably wasn't the best way :)

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justinh:

xand: yeah

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Daviey:

I'm yet to get excited by mythrecipe

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xand:

sounds very useful...

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justinh:

yeah if you have a frontend in the kitchen. jees

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Daviey:

yeah, i have a HTPC/HDTV in my kitchen

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Daviey:

justinh: damn you beat me

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Dave321:

are there any tricks to getting mytharchive to actually run on a frontend?

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mindframe-:

a good nfs share and a local cd burner

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mindframe-:

gigabit for max efficiency

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mindframe-:

is it a diskless frontend?

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Dave321:

mindframe-, I keep getting it to crash on my frontend, looks like some python error

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Dave321:

i have my recordings on an nfs share exported from the back end

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mindframe-:

what's the error

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Dave321:

it looks like it can't find a path or something

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Dave321:

it doesnt look like it dumped to the logs

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justinh:

does the temporary dir mytharchive uses exist and is it writable by your frontend? ;)

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Dave321:

looks like it but I can check in a bit

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CaptObviousman:

humm

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CaptObviousman:

looks like this OrigenAE setup is out, I can't find it at my normal vendors

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rooaus:

night

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Perdignus:

Happy New Year!

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Perdignus:

Is there a way to adjust the schedule for mythcommflag jobs? I have programs that are over 12 hours old but still haven't been flagged for commercials.

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clever:

Perdignus: in mythtv-setup you can set jobs to be able to run on any host

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clever:

Perdignus: i turned that on and stuck a slave backend on every myth box

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clever:

now i can flag 3 shows at once on multiple systems

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clever:

and my dual core laptop can rip thru them like nothing if i boot it into the frontend

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jams:

yeah think i finally caught up on all the code changes..now to work on bringing my themes up to date.

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hatchmt:

I'm having an interesting issue — I'm running mythtv-svn on a fresh install of Fedora 8, but no matter how I have this set up, live tv will not work. I have an HDHomerun, and the myth system is a P4 3ghz with an NVidia FX5200 in it. It starts playing video but immediately freezes up, sometimes killing the X server when I try to go back to the menu. Anyone ever experience this before? I tried ATSC and QAL-256 (for the co

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hatchmt:

mcast crap), both having the same problem.

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hatchmt:

I'm trying again so I can tell you what gets output to the terminal during the lockup

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Perdignus:

clever I only have one machine, it's both my frontend and backend

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

im out of ideas then

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Perdignus:

it just seems strange that the backend isn't recording a new show but it also isn't flagging commercials when it's not busy

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clever:

check the job queue

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clever:

under system status or http://backendip:6544/

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hatchmt:

huh — Myth is giving errors that extension "XVideo" missing on display ":0.0:.

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clever:

http://nothingtoxic.com/media/1177843140/Man_ . . . ider_Vehicle

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clever:

hatchmt: posibly the wrong vid drivers

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hatchmt:

I'm running the latest binary nvidia driver

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hatchmt:

and an FX5200 card

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clever:

check the output of `xvinfo`

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hatchmt:

xlib: extension "XVideo" missing on display ":0.0".

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hatchmt:

xvinfo: No X-Video Extension of :0.0

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hatchmt:

on*

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clever:

im out of ideas

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hatchmt:

heh

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hatchmt:

me too

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hatchmt:

I'll try installing the driver again, I suppose

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clever:

im still lost trying to fix this winmodem

[17:19:23]

clever:

stealing wifi atm but they unplug the router without warning

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hatchmt:

heh

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clever:

ive got sl-modem-daemon and i can talk to the 'modem'

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clever:

it appears to just be a alsa sound card on the phone line

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clever:

with a userspace daemon to make the dialup sounds and talk to the dialer

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clever:

no dialtone errors

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clever:

brb food

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mchou:

clever: man, you gotta stop your criminal lifestyle

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clever:

mchou: i know who's wifi it is:P

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clever:

mchou: and its not even encrypted

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yikes... it took Mytharchive 26 1/2 hours to create a dvd of the pats game... almost 5 hours of that was burning to disk... what's up with that? That's less than 1x !!!

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cpare_:

Hello all

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: ouch

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cpare_:

just wanted to stop in and say thanks for all the help yesterday

[17:34:20]

cpare_:

I now have my install running

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cpare_:

:)

[17:34:48]

cpare_:

in every case the problem was my lack of familiarity, not product :)

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cpare_:

anyways – thats it

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jduggan:

anyone here with a machine that can play HD video?

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cpare_:

sorry

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: no $hit... I would have expected better performance out of my machine... AMD 64 x2 4600+ w/2GB ram... The burn of 5 hours really concerns me.

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jduggan:

(and willing to download a small sample to test something for me

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jduggan:

)

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clever:

id expect a coaster from that burn

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J-e-f-f-A:

jduggan: Yeah, mine does...

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jduggan:

J-e-f-f-A: mind if i give you a link to a ~50mb file of mine to see if video is out of sync with audio on ur system?

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: I was just playing it on my PC without issues... I don't know if I want to watch the whole 4 1/2 hours straight through though...

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clever:

lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

jduggan: Sure... I think my FiOS connection can handle it... ;-)

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jduggan:

J-e-f-f-A: nice, i should max ur download then

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jduggan:

:)

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jduggan:

depending on location etc :)

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hatchmt:

Well, I got X-Video to load, but now I get a different error:

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hatchmt:

NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.

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jduggan:

sec

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** J-e-f-f-A starts the dvd playback back up... ;-) **

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hatchmt:

The video never comes up

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: growisofs started at 02:11:02 and finished at 07:07:29 ...

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clever:

ouch

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: It is a DVD+RW disc, so perhaps that's part of the issue... It's a 4x disc, so you would expect it to only take 30 mins or so...

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clever:

low ram and fragmentation may be part of the problem

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: 2GB ram...

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clever:

lol

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clever:

more then any other system i have:P

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: root disk is a 300gb.... videos are an a 1TB raid...

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clever:

:O

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cpare_:

wow

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clever:

and my dad says my 300gig array plenty big

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clever:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

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clever:

/dev/mapper/mainvg-mainlv 296G 285G 11G 97% /media/mainlv

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xand:

tiny!

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clever:

i know

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Dibblah:

I've only got 2T.

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clever:

send me a chunk

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Dibblah:

What? Sell you a chunk? Sure!

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clever:

send i said:P

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clever:

send!

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clever:

free!

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J-e-f-f-A:

I've actually got another 760GB on tap that I'm not using atm, and a 320GB disk of just videos, and a not-working-currently 200GB drive for my music...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Oh, and I just bought a 500GB external USB2/FW/SATA2 drive... ;-)

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clever:

i just recently cleared out a 160g drive and expanded my lvm into it

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: It's playing back fine... at 54 mins now...

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clever:

ah

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clever:

bbl

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Dibblah:

Hmmm. Still no 2008 _rt data. :(

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stuarta:

how rude. EIT's working fine...

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stuarta:

:)

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** J-e-f-f-A has guide data thru 1/13 from schedulesdirect... ;-) **

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** J-e-f-f-A Yeah! SD has a 'numeric sort' now... ;-) (It may have been there for a while, I haven't logged in since my initial setup months ago.) **

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J-e-f-f-A:

ugh... my PS fan is making some very bad noises...

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J-e-f-f-A:

jduggan: Hey, not sure if you saw my pm message — that's a US 1080p stream – so it's mpeg2 – you may need to search for an mpeg4 stream...

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xris:

!seen kormoc

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MythLogBot:

kormoc was last seen 25 days 11 hours 36 minutes 27 seconds ago

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xris:

wtf, he's been around more recently than that... or so I thught.

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plediii:

ah, I see a diversion is how you make dpkg install a file to a different location.

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plediii:

ah, wrong channel

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EnderTheThird:

any guestimates on how long it should take for mythtv svn to compile? I started it 5 min ago and have to leave for work in less than 20 min (oops)

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GreyFoxx:

depe nds on your hardware

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EnderTheThird:

core 2 duo

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EnderTheThird:

65xx or something, I forget. 1.8 GHz

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GreyFoxx:

don't wait for it :)

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EnderTheThird:

damn, lol

[19:16:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

EnderTheThird: It takes about 15 mins on my AMD X2 4600+ with 4 threads...

[19:17:08]

EnderTheThird:

i'd be iffy then i guess

[19:17:27]

EnderTheThird:

is there a way to check if it's still compiling after SSHing to that computer?

[19:17:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

EnderTheThird: Did you specify the # of threads? If not, I think it defaults to 2...

[19:17:38]

EnderTheThird:

nope, didn't specify

[19:18:40]

EnderTheThird:

i'm at my FE now, and i SSH'd to my BE to start the compiling. when I SSH into it from work, I don't want to start compiling plugins and installing unless i know for sure it's done, heh

[19:18:53]

EnderTheThird:

guess i could be safe and just wait 2 hours though huh?

[19:19:07]

EnderTheThird:

and hope it didn't get any errors while compiling

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EnderTheThird:

http://xkcd.com/303/ :-)

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** J-e-f-f-A ... My PS fan is starting to sound like a hdd with a head crash... loud/quiet/loud/quiet ... I think I'm gonna have to shutdown and replace the PS... **

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EnderTheThird:

That's not cool. replacing that thing is such a pain, because then you always come up with the bright idea to redo your cable management inside the case

[19:21:37]

EnderTheThird:

WOO! done compiling!

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J-e-f-f-A:

EnderTheThird: Not too much to redo... Satax5, idex1... ;-)

[19:22:11]

EnderTheThird:

Ha

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EnderTheThird:

My new mobo might not get here until next Monday because of this holiday BS

[19:23:02]

EnderTheThird:

Stupid Newegg and UPS. They're usually pretty awesome about this stuff too.

[19:23:52]

EnderTheThird:

time to leave for work. i'm sure i'll see you guys when i get there. working at a small hotel on new years is fine because no one wants to party there, lol

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EnderTheThird:

later

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hatchmt:

Well, everything seems to be working great now. Is it normal for mythfrontend to take 50% cpu while watching live tv?

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justinh:

depends. if you're using a framegrabber (ACME TV tuner card) or ATI VGA card, it's probably normal

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justinh:

Dibblah: did you honestly think uk_rt would have guide data again at 6pm? lol

[19:52:19]

justinh:

leave it til the last Alka-Seltzer has been quoffed

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iamlindoro__:

Anyone running yesterday's-ish SVN?

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iamlindoro__:

I wonder whether anyone else is seeing this-- In video manager, the "Loading..." screen is staying up constantly, and never goes away, even though the next highest level (video list) is browsable

[20:01:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__: I'm running 15244...

[20:01:36]

iamlindoro__:

I'm on 15263, interested to see if anyone else sees this

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro__: It's ok in my version ...

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iamlindoro__:

I bet it was 15258 that did it

[20:03:40]

iamlindoro__:

"Implement a suggestion from Stuart Morgan to use MythThemedDialog?

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iamlindoro__:

context switching to do the popups in the video manager. "

[20:04:38]

justinh:

must be a broken theme then

[20:04:57]

iamlindoro__:

Possible, it's gbee's, so still in development

[20:05:15]

justinh:

all mine will be the same too

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justinh:

only got one pair of hands

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justinh:

we need some theme maintenance droids

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iamlindoro__:

Definitely not a complaint, just wondering if anyone else was seeing it... can definitely live :

[20:05:50]

iamlindoro__:

:)

[20:06:05]

iamlindoro__:

Will try out a few other themes here real quick

[20:06:12]

hatchmt:

anyone use ratpoison as their WM?

[20:06:15]

justinh:

it'll be a missing <context>foo</context> line somewhere

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hatchmt:

I've heard it's a good lightweight one to use

[20:06:32]

justinh:

iamlindoro__: check out the commit log for the ticket – IIRC all the core themes were fixed up

[20:06:50]

iamlindoro__:

justinh: Yeah, was looking at it, trying GANT now

[20:06:56]

justinh:

iamlindoro__: be a hero & send gbee a patch

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justinh:

and if you're feeling really nice, do mine too

[20:07:22]

iamlindoro__:

haha... well, would probably involve me actually *learning* something ;)

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justinh:

I've started to move over to the dark side. made a plugin :P

[20:08:20]

iamlindoro__:

Yeah, not present in GANT, so definitely just some out-of-phase theme issues

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justinh:

did you svn up myththemes though? ;)

[20:10:04]

iamlindoro__:

justinh: Well I SVN up'ed mythtv, which includes GANT... to be more clear, the issue is not present in GANT

[20:10:32]

justinh:

funny there's nothing in the log for GANT

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iamlindoro__:

Yeah, I see last change a month ago

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justinh:

ah but GANT probably just uses the default video-ui.xml

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justinh:

this is one of the things that gets to me. call themselves 'themes' yet all they customise is the menus

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jams:

just about all the themes includes with mythtv do that.

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** jams just finished off FFX11 great game that one. **

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** iamlindoro__ sighs and actually begins to look for a solution **

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justinh:

I just finished off another glass of wine

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justinh:

jams: aye but I'll let anybody off for leaving mytharchive alone :P

[20:15:42]

iamlindoro__:

I suppose if I just compare video-ui (default) to that in theme, I might figure this out, no?

[20:15:54]

justinh:

maybe maybe

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justinh:

I think the big change is going from <textarea> to <remoteedit> in some places

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EnderTheThird:

Hmm, I'm getting some errors when compiling mythplugins

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EnderTheThird:

*some = crapload

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mindframe-:

probly missing deps?

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EnderTheThird:

when configuring, it says i'm missing some KDE dev packages so i t can't get mythbrowser, but otherwise no complaints

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justinh:

Viaken – even though you're displaying on a CRT TV which might very well be interlaced, using a tv output from a graphics card which is outputting interlaced PAL or NTSC, what goes into the input of the VGA card's TV encoder is still progressive, so you need to enable deinterlacing in utils/setup > setup > tv > playback settings

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EnderTheThird:

but i'm not sure which ones it needs

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Viaken:

aighty

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Viaken:

Thank you :)

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justinh:

Viaken: if you're using tvout from a nvidia card and it's a GF4 or greater, try cranking up the flicker filter in nvidia-settings to the halfway point before enabling deinterlacing

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justinh:

their hardware deflicker thingy is very good indeed

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mindframe-:

EnderTheThird, pastebin the error

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iamlindoro__:

EnderTheThird: Do you care about having mythbrowser? If not, just configure with --disable-mythbrowser

[20:26:15]

EnderTheThird:

not in particular about mythbrowser. i never use it. i just use firefox if i want to browse

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EnderTheThird:

"../mytharchive/archiveutil.cpp:177: error: invalid use of undefined type Ã¢struct ProgramInfoÃ¢

[20:26:52]

EnderTheThird:

../mytharchive/archiveutil.h:12: error: forward declaration of Ã¢struct ProgramInfoÃ¢" lots of junk like that. and i mean LOTS. it's not just one error, heh

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EnderTheThird:

looks like all are from main.cpp

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EnderTheThird:

err, lots of them are

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iamlindoro__:

EnderTheThird: This isn't your first time compiling, is it?

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mindframe-:

mythbrowser is pretty useless, especially if you're running myth in a desktop environment

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iamlindoro__:

and under what distro

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EnderTheThird:

first time compiling something as big as mythtv. i've done a few smaller things that weren't already in .deb's for me, but nothing too big

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EnderTheThird:

Ubuntu 7.10, 64 bit

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iamlindoro__:

ok, so this is a fresh checkout?

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EnderTheThird:

yeah

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iamlindoro__:

And did you apt-get build-dep mythtv mythtv-frontend mythtv-backend mythtv-plugins?

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EnderTheThird:

i did for mythtv, i'll build-dep for all real quick

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iamlindoro__:

Actually not sure on the package name for plugins, may have no "-"

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mindframe-:

that's correct

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EnderTheThird:

no "-", but i got it

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EnderTheThird:

it was missing a few. installing them now

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iamlindoro__:

that should help

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iamlindoro__:

make sure to make distclean and reconfigure

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EnderTheThird:

alright

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EnderTheThird:

prob do the same for mythtv or not? that seemed to compile alright though, i didn't get any errors that caused exit

[20:30:51]

EnderTheThird:

same as in make distclean

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iamlindoro__:

No need to recompile myth if there was no error

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iamlindoro__:

and not need to make distclean if you're not recompiling

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EnderTheThird:

alright

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iamlindoro__:

justinh: I realize now, looking at video-ui.xml, that I should have been more clear... My issue is not in gallery, but in actual video manager (video search)... what xml governs that?

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iamlindoro__:

Hrm... I guess maybe it *is* video-ui.xml, given the output of this grep

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EnderTheThird:

Damn. Still errors out the wazoo.

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iamlindoro__:

could always disable mytharchive, I suppose, but easier to just figure out why it's failing

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EnderTheThird:

trying to pastebin, but it's going a little slow..

[20:36:44]

EnderTheThird:

with the characters that are coming up, it's almost like main.cpp is in the wrong language or character set or something. i'll show you in a min

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iamlindoro__:

No, that's ok

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EnderTheThird:

http://pastebin.ca/840414

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Viaken:

justinh: Deflicker didn't seem to make a difference. However, the kernel deinterlacer is amazing.

[20:37:25]

iamlindoro__:

did you configure myth and mythplugins with the same prefix?

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iamlindoro__:

your problem is it's not able to load some of the myth API stuff

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EnderTheThird:

all /usr

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iamlindoro__:

and that generally means you failed to make install, used different prefixes, left packaged versions installed while trying to compile, etc

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EnderTheThird:

followed http://www.thesh17.com/wp/2007/12/27/installi . . . n-on-ubuntu/ which was a little incomplete with dependencies required

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iamlindoro__:

Nobody on ubuntu should be tracking down dependencies anyway

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iamlindoro__:

not when you have build-dep

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iamlindoro__:

which works fine up to and including today's SVN

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EnderTheThird:

agreed. i did make on mythtv no prob. guide didn't say to make install it yet. should i?

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fryfrog:

no, there is one thing that is part of myth svn that isn't in build dep, unless it changed

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fryfrog:

something with mp3 or id3 i believe

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iamlindoro__:

only taglib

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fryfrog:

ah, yeah that was it, taglib

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iamlindoro__:

and that's plugins, not myth itself

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fryfrog:

true

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fryfrog:

sorry, shouldn't have come in in the middle w/o back reading anyway :)

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EnderTheThird:

haha, appreciated anyway fryfrog

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EnderTheThird:

and iamlindoro, of course

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iamlindoro__:

anyway, EnderTheThird the problem is something in your myth compile/install failed to install properly

[20:40:25]

Viaken:

justinh: Thanks!

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iamlindoro__:

because plugins is failing in not being able to find myth headers

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javatexan:

howdy yall!!!

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javatexan:

I got dvd ripping to work!!!!!!!!!

[20:40:56]

fryfrog:

this i do know: you *can't* compile mythplugins until you "make install" on mythtv

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javatexan:

wow it takes a long time

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javatexan:

;)

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iamlindoro__:

ie "main.cpp:27:34: error: mythtv/mythpluginapi.h: No such file or directory"

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fryfrog:

javatexan: nice, from a physical dvd -> ???

[20:41:16]

javatexan:

yes

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fryfrog:

to what?

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fryfrog:

x264? xvid?

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javatexan:

avi

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iamlindoro__:

That's the container, not the codec

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EnderTheThird:

well i'm rechecking out stuff. i'll recompile and install mythtv before doing the same with plugins

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iamlindoro__:

EnderTheThird: No need to re-check out

[20:41:56]

iamlindoro__:

just use what you have

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fryfrog:

probably xvid anyway

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javatexan:

I wanted x264, but it didn't want to do it....this works about 1 in 3 attempts......LOL

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iamlindoro__:

go back in and run a "make", and see if it errors at all

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fryfrog:

i still use windows for dvd -> hd :(

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EnderTheThird:

i already rm -rf'd :-/ my apologies for wasting bandwidth

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EnderTheThird:

Ted Stephens would be SO angry

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fryfrog:

i've just started using handbrake

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javatexan:

can you use handbrake on ubuntu?

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iamlindoro__:

CLI only

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fryfrog:

i read ther eis a cli, but i do mah windows ripping on windows

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javatexan:

ah

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fryfrog:

erm, and by "windows ripping" i meant "dvd ripping" :)

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EnderTheThird:

close enough

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EnderTheThird:

ha, funny storry... so when i tried to configure mythplugins this time, it gave me a warning that i need to make AND install before doing anything with mythplugins

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fryfrog:

score :)

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iamlindoro__:

that

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iamlindoro__:

's true

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iamlindoro__:

make and install mythtv

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EnderTheThird:

doing so now :)

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EnderTheThird:

only problem is that after it installs, i still need to wait 3–4 hours before i can get home to play!

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iamlindoro__:

Doesn't mean you can't start the backend, that'll give you a pretty good idea

[20:57:17]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: replacing the power supply just because the fan is going bad is extremely wasteful.

[20:57:59]

fryfrog:

mchou: unless the failed fan has already popped a bunch of caps or something :(

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javatexan:

where do i find the compatibility list with SA3250HD with Firewire

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: virtually anyone can replace the fan in a power supply provided they know what they are doing.

[20:58:22]

fryfrog:

mchou: they can also electrocute themselves to death, even with the power unplugged.

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro__: true. i'll start the BE and get into mythweb to look around to see if everything is cool

[20:58:31]

mchou:

fryfrog: even popped caps are easy to replace

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mchou:

fryfrog: true, that why I qualified "provided they know what they are doing."

[21:00:32]

mchou:

but replacing a PSU just because a fan goes is crazy. Just pay someone qualified to replace the fan if necessary.

[21:00:53]

javatexan:

ah..think i found it. The cable guy said that there is no video on the firewire, just input

[21:00:57]

mchou:

no need to pollute the local landfills with crappy PSUs

[21:01:09]

mchou:

javatexan: huh??

[21:01:38]

mchou:

javatexan: that cable guy is lying or doesnt know what he is talking about

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javatexan:

I am having the cable co mail me a SA3250HD with firewire on.....he said that there is no video coming out of firewire

[21:02:13]

mchou:

javatexan: mail???

[21:02:16]

javatexan:

I am trying not to buy haupauge cards

[21:02:20]

mchou:

javatexan: wtf???

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javatexan:

yes....mail...I think it is coming from SA

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EnderTheThird:

checkinstall will make a .deb package after running "make" right?

[21:02:39]

mchou:

that's really crazy

[21:02:50]

EnderTheThird:

or install as though it were a .deb, something like that

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javatexan:

the cable co has 3250, but no Firewire on

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mchou:

javatexan: your local cableco doesnt have irewire boxes in stock?

[21:03:13]

javatexan:

I tried it out already

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javatexan:

no

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

what kind of rinky dink cable operator is this?

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javatexan:

they have everything disabled when shipped to them

[21:03:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, I know. I'm not 100% sure it's the power supply fan, but it's the only one not monitored by speed sensors... And it's definitely a fan...

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javatexan:

Time Warner

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javatexan:

LOL

[21:04:08]

javatexan:

small mom and pop shop

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javatexan:

;)

[21:04:27]

javatexan:

their boxes are the worst I've ever seen

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mchou:

javatexan: the cableco needs to load the firmware on the box at a minimum

[21:04:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I'm an electronics guru, so just replacing the fan is no issue... Even caps... I just don't want to have it down for hours, when a simple swap of the PS would only take 5 mins...

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javatexan:

they don't do any of that

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mchou:

javatexan: SA is a division of Cisco now

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mchou:

javatexan: report the local cableco to FCC

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javatexan:

they don't even do their own head-end work, its all contracted....all their techs do is plug the signal meter to the wire to see if they can detect electrons...then they call the real IT dept

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mchou:

the FCC rules day provide a box with WORKING firewire output

[21:05:53]

javatexan:

LMAO

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mchou:

not some cosmetic mock up of a STB :)

[21:06:44]

mchou:

hell, even I can make a STB outta cardboard :)

[21:07:20]

javatexan:

LOL, I agree. They have no idea how any of their stuff works, they just take the money......This is the best thing yet, I have a TV with CableCard and I cant get Boomerang on it

[21:07:26]

mchou:

javatexan: you live in the boonies or something?

[21:07:43]

javatexan:

no, not really, its not a center for tech though either

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mchou:

by definition all of TX is boonies

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mchou:

:)

[21:08:27]

mchou:

gun toting rednecks

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javatexan:

Boomerang is what they call a switched station and so the CableCard cant get it, like OnDemand

[21:08:43]

javatexan:

watchout...we actually know how to shoot

[21:08:57]

javatexan:

not like the gangbangers yall see

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mchou:

not when I'm outta range :)

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iamlindoro__:

Some of us californians know how to shoot to... and are gun toting ;)

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mchou:

javatexan: you better prep your ICBM if you wanna hit me

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iamlindoro__:

Without even being a gangbanger

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javatexan:

at 45% you can shoot an awfully long way

[21:10:20]

** jams aims at mchou **

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javatexan:

sweet...I love our concealed weapon laws they rock....the stores around here are pretty stupid though, they actually put up signs saying no concealed weapons, thereby ensuring that the only ppl in the store with guns are the crooks....LMAO

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mchou:

jams: ever heard of the Eisenberg uncertainty principle?

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** J-e-f-f-A grew up in the 'country' — we used to go shooting at the town dump... ;-) Cans & bottles... now we recycle all that... ;-) **

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fryfrog:

can a store over ride concealed weapons laws?

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mchou:

javatexan: you better shoot the cable guy instead

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mchou:

fryfrog: yup

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mchou:

fryfrog: private property

[21:12:03]

fryfrog:

i think i read about some state where the city government disallowed concealed weapons, but that wasn't legal because of a state law

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javatexan:

yes...they put up stickers and even if you are lawfully carrying its bad

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mchou:

owners has say what goes

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fryfrog:

mchou: that doesn't make sense, if i have private property i can't just decide which laws i disallow

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** jams fires **

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fryfrog:

"this is private property, murder is legal"

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iamlindoro__:

fryfrog: NYC and DC... Supre3me court just ruled that city prohibitions on weapons possession are unconstitutional

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro__: ah, i wonder if that is what i was thinkin gof

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: In that case, can I send my wife out there? ;-)

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fryfrog:

ahhaha

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iamlindoro__:

fryfrog: probably

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javatexan:

Lol

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fryfrog:

but then again, private establishments "reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason" i'v eseen posted in resteraunts

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mchou:

fryfrog: no, you're getting mixed up between what's criminal and what's not

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fryfrog:

mchou: ah!

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fryfrog:

mchou: so they say "no concealed weapons" and if they catch you, its a boot / ban from the store

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fryfrog:

not a call to the fuzz

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mchou:

fryfrog: bingo

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mchou:

fryfrog: they can also sue in civil court

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javatexan:

the thing that is lost is why block "law abiding" citizens, okay'd by the gov from carrying a weapon into your establishment....A crook is not going to see the sign and put his away....By definition a crook is going to Break the Law....

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mchou:

fryfrog: basically saying pple w/ conceal waepons tresspassed on their property

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mchou:

ppl*

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fryfrog:

ah, i see

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javatexan:

now i have to wait for my SA3250HD from snailmail. :((

[21:17:06]

javatexan:

its still lame

[21:17:12]

javatexan:

and stupid

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mchou:

javatexan: I dont see what good it will do you without the firewire ports active

[21:17:29]

javatexan:

the one in the mail will have them on

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mchou:

javatexan: huh??

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mchou:

javatexan: I find that really hard to believe

[21:18:16]

mchou:

local cable operator has to program channels and whatnot on the box

[21:18:20]

javatexan:

the 4250HD i have now doesnt have them turned on, the 3250HD will have them ON, or so the story goes

[21:18:41]

javatexan:

I actually think it is coming from the austin office

[21:18:52]

javatexan:

just not from the local office

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mchou:

javatexan: ok, maybe that makes more sense

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mchou:

javatexan: but it's still messed up.

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javatexan:

austin I think has a couple of ppl who know something....we don't know what....but they know something... :)

[21:20:02]

javatexan:

brb...my 1 yr old woke up.

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mchou:

javatexan: that's cause austin is the only part of texas that's educated

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EnderTheThird:

Hmmm, mythtv installed, but I know zero about mysql in order to create a username and db so it can connect, lol

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iamlindoro__:

EnderTheThird, thought you had a packaged version running before?

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EnderTheThird:

I did, but I think it removed it when i removed myth

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iamlindoro__:

not unless you purged

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** iamlindoro__ vomits **

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EnderTheThird:

i did remove

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EnderTheThird:

i did not purge

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iamlindoro__:

try mysql -uwhatever -p mythconverg

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EnderTheThird:

*promise

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iamlindoro__:

and see if you connect okay

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EnderTheThird:

i just had to install it because it was removed

[21:24:13]

EnderTheThird:

i can login, and i created the mythconverg db

[21:24:26]

EnderTheThird:

but i want to create a mythtv user and whatnot. googling around now.

[21:24:39]

iamlindoro__:

ok, so minimally you can make it work with your root user

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iamlindoro__:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";

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iamlindoro__:

should do it

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iamlindoro__:

and then flush privileges;

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iamlindoro__:

and the thing in quotes is the password

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iamlindoro__:

so if you want password 12345 then log into mysql and use

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iamlindoro__:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "12345";

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iamlindoro__:

flush privileges;

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iamlindoro__:

Which will allow user mythtv with password 12345 to access mythconverg from any host

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EnderTheThird:

i flushed, but it's not letting my login

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EnderTheThird:

as mythtv

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EnderTheThird:

when creating user, i get... Query OK, 0 rows affected

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iamlindoro__:

you just did mysql -uroot -p, right?

[21:28:25]

iamlindoro__:

and you sure mythconverg got created?

[21:28:40]

iamlindoro__:

Well anyway, that works on this end

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EnderTheThird:

hmm

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EnderTheThird:

i created user while logged in from root, yeah

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iamlindoro__:

did you cut and paste my command, or type it yourself? Check your syntax

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EnderTheThird:

i did c&p

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iamlindoro__:

well, since you have web access you could always do it with phpmyadmin

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EnderTheThird:

i specified localhost instead of % and it worked when creating user

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EnderTheThird:

i can login as mythtv now

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EnderTheThird:

though i do need to get that to login from more than just localhost sooner or later

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EnderTheThird:

mythtv-setup available through X only?

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fryfrog:

2

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EnderTheThird:

mythplugins seems to be building like a champ. i think i'll get this little guy running soon enough. thanks a ton iamlindoro

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EnderTheThird:

and fryfrog

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alexvd:

Hi running mythbuntu with a master backend and slavebackend with a frontend. The issue I am having is the following I had to reinstall the backend and I used the same settings and Ip, only the database password changed. However now I am having issues with my slavebackend. Specifically the backend wont start or restart. Looking in the logs I get the error:"No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.

[21:45:10]

alexvd:

Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page

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alexvd:

of the general settings." I did change it to the proper address of the slavebackend (in this case 192.168.11.51). Doing a search I found that you also need to modify the mysql.txt file. I did a locate and found several. At first i modified the one in /etc/mysql however since I am running ubuntu as alexvd I modified it thier as well. I actually modified it in root as well but I still get the same error. I have no issu

[21:45:17]

alexvd:

e connecting the mythbackend database but I cant start the backend on the slave. Can anyone help?

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: are you still around and can you help?

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iamlindoro__:

Just walked in, let me read back

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iamlindoro__:

alexvd: Have you ever had backend running successfully on this system?

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: yes worked fine until i had to reinstall the masterbackend

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iamlindoro__:

okay, do you get the same result if you try to start the backend manually as root, ie:

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iamlindoro__:

sudo su

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iamlindoro__:

(enter password)

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iamlindoro__:

mythbackend -d

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alexvd:

didnt try that

[21:51:08]

iamlindoro__:

give it a shot real quick

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iamlindoro__:

oh wait

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alexvd:

nope no dice

[21:52:01]

iamlindoro__:

I think I'm getting too complex here

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iamlindoro__:

on your master backend, did you edit my.cnf yet?

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iamlindoro__:

ie /etc/mysql/my.cnf

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iamlindoro__:

and change bind-address to the actual IP of the master backend?

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alexvd:

no I did not. I thought on mythbuntu you didnt have to do that. I dont remember doing that before.

[21:53:23]

alexvd:

besides why would that stop the slavebackend from restarting its backend

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alexvd:

i could see if the database was not connecting

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alexvd:

mythbuntu does this thing where it allows you to setup roles

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iamlindoro__:

just look at that file

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alexvd:

ok

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iamlindoro__:

if my.cnf isn't set properly, it won't work

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alexvd:

i will look at it right now

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iamlindoro__:

just tell me what bind-address is set to, before making any changes

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alexvd:

I know i had to do that on knoppmyth

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iamlindoro__:

we'll do this from the ground up, ie check our settings on the master, then try a database connection, then look at backend on the slave

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alexvd:

Ok ur right of course the bind address is still loopback

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alexvd:

i will change

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alexvd:

do i need to restart mysql after that

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alexvd:

for the setting to take

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iamlindoro__:

ok, let's start with that, then just for kicks we'll try to start the slave backend

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iamlindoro__:

yes

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javatexan:

heres a fun topic.. i am trying to find a cheap video card to run myth on with svideo out.... any

[21:58:17]

iamlindoro__:

any nvidia 5200 or better

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iamlindoro__:

$30–40 is the starting price

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javatexan:

lets see, i see xfx, evga, pny, kfa ......any favorites or one to stay away from

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: sorry I made a mistake i was in the wrong ssh terminal I was on the slavebackend. The masterbackend is correct it does have bind address = 192.168.11.50

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iamlindoro__:

ok

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iamlindoro__:

so now, from slave backend (get it right this time ;) )

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javatexan:

GeForce 7300 GS or a GeForce 7600 GT or a GeForce 8500 GT

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iamlindoro__:

try mysql -umythtv -p -h 192.168.11.50 mythconverg

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javatexan:

been a long time since i shopped these things

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: that does have the loopback (slavebackend) for bind address

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: should I change it to the slavebackend actual ip 192.168.11.51

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iamlindoro__:

alexvd: no, it's ok

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: sorry missed htat other post

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iamlindoro__:

my slave has localhost there and works ok

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iamlindoro__:

ok, so from slave try the mysql connection

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: does that have capture cards in it that are accessed by other machines?

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iamlindoro__:

yes

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alexvd:

ok i will try the mysql connection

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alexvd:

ok in mysql database

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iamlindoro__:

ok, good

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iamlindoro__:

quit mysql

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alexvd:

quit

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iamlindoro__:

who runs mythbackend on your slave

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alexvd:

since its mythbuntu i believe that is alexvd

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iamlindoro__:

pastebin alexvd's mysql.txt

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EnderTheThird:

i think mythbuntu runs your mythtv backend stuff as mythtv ( i had it installed)

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iamlindoro__:

alexvd: does *frontend* work properly on your slave?

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xand:

hm

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alexvd:

sorry I have never used pastebin how do i do that

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iamlindoro__:

www.pastebin.ca

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iamlindoro__:

paste it in, press post, paste the link it gives you

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javatexan:

so which is better GeForce 7600 GT or a GeForce 8500 GT

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** J-e-f-f-A-2 ugh — mythbackend is taking 196% of my two cpus... (ie 196 of 200%...) **

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alexvd:

iamlindoro:alexvd@mythtvslavebackend:~$ cat /home/alexvd/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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alexvd:

DBHostName=192.168.11.50

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alexvd:

DBUserName=mythtv

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alexvd:

DBPassword=uD1KfdRF

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alexvd:

DBName=mythconverg

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alexvd:

DBType=QMYSQL3

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alexvd:

# Set the following if you want to use something other than the

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alexvd:

# machine's real hostname for identifying settings in the database.

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alexvd:

# This is useful if your hostname changes often, as otherwise

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iamlindoro__:

whoah whoah

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alexvd:

# you'll need to reconfigure mythtv (or futz with the DB) every time.

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alexvd:

# TWO HOSTS MUST NOT USE THE SAME VALUE

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xand:

noooooo

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iamlindoro__:

so much for pastebin

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alexvd:

#

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alexvd:

LocalHostName=192.168.11.51

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alexvd:

# If you want your frontend to be able to wake your MySQL server

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alexvd:

# using WakeOnLan, have a look at the following settings:

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alexvd:

#

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alexvd:

# Set the time the frontend waits (in seconds) between reconnect tries.

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alexvd:

# This should be the rough time your MySQL server needs for startup

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xand:

alexvd: that is NOT how you pastebin.

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alexvd:

#WOLsqlReconnectWaitTime=0

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javatexan:

LOL

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alexvd:

#

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alexvd:

#

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alexvd:

# This is the amount of retries to wake the MySQL server until the frontend

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alexvd:

# gives up

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alexvd:

#WOLsqlConnectRetry=5

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iamlindoro__:

Glad I didn't ask for dmesg

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alexvd:

sorry

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alexvd:

sorry I meant to paste the link

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alexvd:

sorry

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alexvd:

sorry

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xand:

enough sorrys :o

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javatexan:

LMAO

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javatexan:

np

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alexvd:

the frontend works fine on the slavebackend

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iamlindoro__:

*anyway*

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iamlindoro__:

that mysql.txt looks fine, sounds like it's just a wrong copy as whoever runs backend

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iamlindoro__:

look at:

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javatexan:

how do you know which is better GeForce 7600 GT or a GeForce 8500 GT

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alexvd:

Shoot now I am going to have to change my credentials cuz I am a moron.

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: look at what?

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iamlindoro__:

erm, at: /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt, /etc/mysql/mysql.txt, /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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iamlindoro__:

jesus, be more patient

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iamlindoro__:

check all of those and see if any differ from the one you, umm.. "pastebinned"

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: east coast mentality

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: I did check two of those although the last one i checked from /home/alexvd/

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iamlindoro__:

check all three

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javatexan:

i don't login as mythtv...I thought I did, mine does a auto login.....is that a problem

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javatexan:

as another user

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iamlindoro__:

no, not necessarily

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javatexan:

I just checked and the user is part of mythtv group

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iamlindoro__:

doesn't matter... did you check the mythtv user's mysql.txt?

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: btw I did a locate mysql.txt before and changed all the ones i could find

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iamlindoro__:

ok...

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EnderTheThird:

wow, just FYI, VNC'ing mythfrontend to check an install and settings is ridiculously slow!

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iamlindoro__:

let's see, both backends are mythbuntu, yes?

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: i dont have a /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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alexvd:

yes

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iamlindoro__:

alexvd: create one

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iamlindoro__:

then sudo su and try mythbackend -d again

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: i didnt do a mythbackend -d before. I did a /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart does it matter?

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iamlindoro__:

yes

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iamlindoro__:

especially since I asked you to do -d ;)

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iamlindoro__:

it's different

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iamlindoro__:

one is running a script, one is actually starting mythbackend

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EnderTheThird:

Is there anything addional i need to do to get MythWeb running? My plugins are installed (i know they are because mythmovies was accessible from FE).

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iamlindoro__:

EnderTheThird: In needs to be manually copied to your web directory

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alexvd:

ahh that looks like it started properly. However it looks like it is giving me an error to define the capture card again

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iamlindoro__:

alexvd: yes, you will probably need to run mythtv-setup as root

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alexvd:

as root or alexvd

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iamlindoro__:

edit the /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend script

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iamlindoro__:

and change the user it runs as to root

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iamlindoro__:

from (probably) mythtv

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doc__:

hi there

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iamlindoro__:

alexvd: quoting myself, "alexvd: yes, you will probably need to run mythtv-setup as root"

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EnderTheThird:

if you happen to know those locations, my ears are open. no hurry though. i see you're busy :)

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iamlindoro__:

it's /var/www, EnderTheThird

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iamlindoro__:

go to your mythplugins source dir

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iamlindoro__:

and do:

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: i got it i got it. since I am root permission wont be an issue right?

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iamlindoro__:

mkdir /var/www/mythweb

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iamlindoro__:

cp -rf mythweb/* /var/www/mythweb

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iamlindoro__:

chown -R www-data.www-data /var/www/mythweb

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iamlindoro__:

alexvd: yes

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iamlindoro__:

and your problem was probably that that script tried to run backend as user with a) insufficient permissions or b) didn't exist

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iamlindoro__:

EnderTheThird: There's one more step, let me check real quick

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iamlindoro__:

in the mythweb directory, do:

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iamlindoro__:

cp mythweb.conf.apache /etc/mysql/conf.d/mythweb.conf

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iamlindoro__:

erm

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iamlindoro__:

whoops

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iamlindoro__:

I mean

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iamlindoro__:

p mythweb.conf.apache /etc/apache2/conf.d/mythweb.conf

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iamlindoro__:

cp

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iamlindoro__:

argh

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iamlindoro__:

anyway, hope you got that

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iamlindoro__:

then edit /etc/apache2/conf.d/mythweb.conf

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iamlindoro__:

and change the first uncommented line to read:

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iamlindoro__:

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iamlindoro__:

and restart apache2

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iamlindoro__:

and mythweb should be up and running

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EnderTheThird:

got ya

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iamlindoro__:

of course, getting to it from work will require that you left port 80 open...

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EnderTheThird:

hmmm, localhost/mythweb still gives me a directory listing instead

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iamlindoro__:

you probably don't have the modules enabled

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iamlindoro__:

hold on

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EnderTheThird:

i have it forwarding 80 via ssh, i'm cool there

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iamlindoro__:

you need mod_env and mod_rewrite enabled, and you need all the php stuff installed and working

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iamlindoro__:

ah, and in the mythweb.conf file you need to scroll down and enter your db info

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iamlindoro__:

the one in /etc/apache2/conf.d/

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iamlindoro__:

then restart apache2, and see what happens with http://localhost/mythweb/mythweb.php

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EnderTheThird:

heh, apache2 won't restart

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iamlindoro__:

why?

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EnderTheThird:

invalid command 'php_value'

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iamlindoro__:

sounds like it's erroring parsing mythweb.conf

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iamlindoro__:

and that php5 isn't installed

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EnderTheThird:

installing now

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iamlindoro__:

see if you've got libapache2-mod-php5 installed too

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iamlindoro__:

probably need that, then apache restart, then let's see what's up

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EnderTheThird:

they're installed

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iamlindoro__:

and php5-mysql probably...

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EnderTheThird:

installed

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EnderTheThird:

wait, not true

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iamlindoro__:

the *easiest* way to do this if it fails again is apt-get install mythweb, apt-get remove mythweb, which should leave the dependencies

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EnderTheThird:

it's saying no candiate version

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iamlindoro__:

then recopy mythwbe

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iamlindoro__:

er mythweb

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iamlindoro__:

anyway, have you tried starting apache lately?

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iamlindoro__:

we probably have enough installed

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EnderTheThird:

yeah, restarting apache gives me the error

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iamlindoro__:

hang on, let me see if I can get a list of deps

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EnderTheThird:

hang on here too, gotta do a couple things at work, here

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iamlindoro__:

uhhh, sounds like you didn't enable those apache modules when I told you to

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iamlindoro__:

cd /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/

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iamlindoro__:

ln -s ../mods-available/php5.load

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iamlindoro__:

or ubuntu borked it, but either way, try that

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EnderTheThird:

ha, trying now

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EnderTheThird:

restarting...

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EnderTheThird:

it restarted. now i gotta check that chown command since re-copying that stuff over

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EnderTheThird:

You, sir, rock.

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EnderTheThird:

Working now. New MythWeb UI is fancy

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iamlindoro__:

cool, glad it's working

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EnderTheThird:

guess I don't need Gnump3d anymore with the new MythWeb either.

[22:57:51]

EnderTheThird:

i've realized that Mythbuntu is kind of a pain in the ass if you plan on doing much tweaking

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iamlindoro__:

Well, it's actually great for initial setup, all my boxes are Ubuntu... you just have to know what to remove

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iamlindoro__:

since it does a ncicie job of setting up hardware

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EnderTheThird:

true

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EnderTheThird:

only problem is that I need ssh tunnel open to do my music through Mythweb unless I password protect it

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EnderTheThird:

But I think I prefer the SSH tunnel for security

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iamlindoro__:

probably best

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EnderTheThird:

it even kept my recordings, which was nice

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EnderTheThird:

might need to restore the db for my FE settings and all though

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EnderTheThird:

can I install SVN of mythfrontend only for my FE? (with plugins and all, of course)

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EnderTheThird:

instead of the full backend and all when it's an FE only

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iamlindoro__:

well you're just installing the files, you don't have to run backend

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EnderTheThird:

k

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EnderTheThird:

and if i decide to remove, just cd to src for mythtv and make distclean, right?

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iamlindoro__:

no

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EnderTheThird:

so close, lol.

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iamlindoro__:

make distclean just cleans the compile dir

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah... it's not my ps... it's my video card fan. I didn't even remember it having a fan... ;-)

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iamlindoro__:

make uninstall

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EnderTheThird:

make remove or make uninstall?

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EnderTheThird:

got ya

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EnderTheThird:

thanks

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iamlindoro__:

np

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iamlindoro__:

off to clean my house for new year festivities

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EnderTheThird:

sweet. have a great new year

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EnderTheThird:

i'm a big fan of the mythweb updates

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alexvd:

iamlindoro: are you still around

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Daviey:

EnderTheThird: How has mythbuntu made it difficult for an ssh tunnel to mythweb and/or password?

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EnderTheThird:

Daviey: it hasnt' for that

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EnderTheThird:

alexvd: i think he left

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alexvd:

still having issues with my backend. Its starting but soemthing is borked. The tuner is still being listed as unavailable.

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Daviey:

EnderTheThird: what problems then?

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alexvd:

Daviey: have they put an option into set static addresses yet for mythbuntu

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EnderTheThird:

no real problems, i guess it was just confusing with some of the stuff it kept and removed when i just tried to remove myth

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EnderTheThird:

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