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| [00:00:11] | anykey_: | anyone using mythshutdown with acpi-wakeup? |
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| [00:00:55] | Yahooadam: | anykey, if you ask a question you'll get a faster response |
| [00:01:13] | cpare_: | I think I am going to buy a new Tuner card |
| [00:01:17] | cpare_: | :( |
| [00:01:22] | cpare_: | this is driving me nuts |
| [00:01:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | cpare_: First hook up that cable to a real TV and be sure it's not a connection problem... |
| [00:01:51] | cpare_: | I tried all "cable" options and they all give me the same result |
| [00:01:53] | anykey_: | Yahooadam: well, I think I've just found something ;) |
| [00:02:14] | cpare_: | I had a TV on it earlier today, but good idea |
| [00:02:17] | cpare_: | :) |
| [00:02:37] | cpare_: | I am wanting a remote, so this is a good excuse :) |
| [00:02:54] | cpare_: | still no way to tune the high channels though, right? |
| [00:03:09] | cpare_: | just 74 and below unless I get another cable box |
| [00:03:16] | cpare_: | and I dont want to pay for that |
| [00:03:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | cpare_: You should get up to 125 cable channels, as long as they're all there, in analog form... |
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| [00:04:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | cpare_: If you're only seeing 74, then you've probabl got it set to US-Bcast |
| [00:04:59] | cpare_: | ok |
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| [00:09:35] | blackest: | bleah is it just me or does everytime you add a new frontend to myth the passwords get overwritten |
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| [00:11:33] | iamlindoro: | just you |
| [00:11:37] | keith__: | i seem to be able to stream recordings using upnp, but not movies |
| [00:12:07] | iamlindoro: | keith__: What version of my are you using? That's probably about right |
| [00:12:10] | iamlindoro: | er myth |
| [00:12:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith__: Are you sure they're in a format that your upnp player recognizes? |
| [00:12:30] | keith__: | 0.20 |
| [00:12:42] | keith__: | J-e-f-f-A: not sure |
| [00:12:54] | keith__: | maybe I should try another upnp player? |
| [00:12:58] | keith__: | what are my options? |
| [00:13:18] | iamlindoro: | I am not sure upnp on .20.2 supports anything besides recordings |
| [00:13:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith__: What are you playing them on? A PC, a media player or ? And... I think iamlindoro is right... I don't think music works in .20.2 either... |
| [00:14:04] | iamlindoro: | Heck, music doesn't even work in SVN to my knowledge :) |
| [00:14:17] | keith__: | playing on a PS3 ;-) |
| [00:14:17] | iamlindoro: | although admitedly Greyfoxx has been working on it a lot lately |
| [00:14:41] | keith__: | music doesn't seem to work, but i don't care about that (for now) |
| [00:14:47] | keith__: | it's freakin awesome that it works at all |
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| [00:14:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Umm... I thought it did... at least on a standalone media player (I've got a couple, but seem to have had UPnP issues with svn lately, so I haven't tried it in a while) |
| [00:15:25] | keith__: | i almost shat myself when the PS3 auto-detected my mythbackend |
| [00:15:41] | djbeenie: | question: everytime I go into mythfrontend my display resolutions jacks up and makes everything huge...its so big i cant even navigate to exit out |
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| [00:16:40] | djbeenie: | is there a config i need to change to make it so the display doesnt get all huge? |
| [00:17:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | djbeenie: What resolution are you running? |
| [00:17:07] | EnderTheThird: | The FE is set to the same size for all users on one machine, correct? |
| [00:17:34] | djbeenie: | 1490 x 900 |
| [00:17:52] | blackest: | music sort of works on mythweb |
| [00:17:53] | djbeenie: | sorry 1441 x 900 |
| [00:18:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | blackest: It sorta works with M$ IE... Works well with Firefox. |
| [00:18:22] | djbeenie: | lawd i cant type tonight lets try this one more time 1440 x 900 |
| [00:18:26] | blackest: | for streaming ? |
| [00:18:29] | EnderTheThird: | keith_: usable via PS3? |
| [00:18:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | blackest: yeah. I used it for a couple of weeks to stream music at work... ;-) (Don't tell my employer!) |
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| [00:19:23] | blackest: | i made a m3u file stuck it in a link and streamed stuff that way |
| [00:19:36] | djbeenie: | J-e-f-f-A, got any ideas? |
| [00:19:45] | blackest: | what was nice was i could seek within the file |
| [00:20:11] | Toxicity999: | Anyone know where I could score a cheap new/used case for ATX mobos? Doesn't need t be amazing, preferably a bit stylish though. |
| [00:20:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | djbeenie: I seem to remember something about having to set the font size to 100dpi somewhere – but I haven't had that problem... There's probably something in the wiki though... |
| [00:20:34] | EnderTheThird: | I use Gnump3d for MP3 streaming to work. I play mine over the lobby stereo, heh. |
| [00:21:02] | keith__: | EnderTheThird: yah... PS3 streams recordings (not HD ones) fine |
| [00:21:40] | keith__: | Toxicity999: buy.com often has cases that end up being Free After Rebate(tm) |
| [00:22:04] | keith__: | EnderTheThird: HD ones *look* beautiful, but PS3 can't decode the audio |
| [00:22:08] | blackest: | its a pity mythweb doesnt auto generate a m3u link for music tracks |
| [00:22:32] | ** jamesd_ is highly leary of deels where you end up paying 0, its not a business model that can last long if they actually pay out rebates. ** | |
| [00:22:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | blackest: What do you mean? I'm pretty sure that's the way it works in SVN trunk... |
| [00:23:11] | EnderTheThird: | keith__: that's a bummer |
| [00:23:15] | keith__: | of course, i can't commercial skip on the ps3 |
| [00:23:25] | keith__: | (waiting on a new video card for my actual frontend) |
| [00:23:36] | blackest: | well at the moment if i bring up my music files if i click on the file name firefox downloads it then plays it |
| [00:23:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | blackest: <Yep, just checked....> Creates "playlist.m3u"... which I then open with (cover your ears) WMP... |
| [00:24:04] | EnderTheThird: | not that it really matters, seeing as I already spent so much money on that BE/FE hooked up to the TV and I don't have a PS3, heh. It's kinda tempting for Blu Ray, but then I'm spending at least $400 just so I can spend more for movies. My HD DVD works fine, heh. |
| [00:25:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | blackest: Oh yeah... with 0.20.* I had created my own playlist, then linked to that. It worked well. The SVN (and soon-to-be 0.21) version is much improved... All music is streamed. |
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| [00:26:05] | blackest: | cool i don't suppose there is a deb package of the svn version... |
| [00:26:05] | EnderTheThird: | Lots of good stuff with SVN? |
| [00:26:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | blackest: Don't think so... |
| [00:26:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: Yeah, but you've got to be prepared to fix and/or accept bugs too... it's cutting-edge software... ;-) |
| [00:27:16] | keith__: | blackest: debian-multimedia.org often has weird deb packages of myth |
| [00:27:20] | blackest: | ok i guess i got to do it manually :) |
| [00:27:50] | EnderTheThird: | heh, I'll stick with Ubuntu's repo's for simplicity |
| [00:28:31] | EnderTheThird: | Is there much for features at all? |
| [00:28:40] | EnderTheThird: | *new features |
| [00:28:53] | iamlindoro: | many many many |
| [00:29:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: Loads... ;-) |
| [00:29:01] | GreyFoxx: | 1.5 years of changes, so yes |
| [00:29:07] | ** keith__ can't wait for .21 ** | |
| [00:29:11] | EnderTheThird: | haha, now i'm tempted |
| [00:29:12] | iamlindoro: | ought to really screw people up :) |
| [00:29:32] | keith__: | yah... every upgrade pisses off my housemates... because i just apply it one night, and don't tell anyone |
| [00:29:39] | keith__: | all frontends then need to be upgraded |
| [00:29:55] | EnderTheThird: | lol |
| [00:30:18] | keith__: | this is how the PS3 is seeing mythbackend? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/UPnP |
| [00:30:27] | iamlindoro: | yes |
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| [00:30:43] | GreyFoxx: | keith__: yup |
| [00:31:04] | GreyFoxx: | and in afew minutes it will be visible to an xbo360 too (just mythvideo stuff though, not recordings) |
| [00:31:23] | keith__: | does mythvideo work with ps3? |
| [00:31:35] | GreyFoxx: | I don't have one so I couldn't say |
| [00:31:40] | keith__: | (i.e. are my problems format/codec-related, or myth-related?) |
| [00:31:47] | GreyFoxx: | codec related |
| [00:32:27] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Hmm... wonder how the 360 will interpret a straight HD-DVD rip, as I use the drive to get the files, so clearly it has the horsepower to play them... |
| [00:32:35] | EnderTheThird: | my 360 shows my machine, but I can't get anything off of it |
| [00:32:49] | GreyFoxx: | EnderTheThird: I'm about to commit code to make it work for videos |
| [00:32:56] | GreyFoxx: | and almost with music |
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| [00:33:04] | EnderTheThird: | GreyFoxx: you rock, my friend |
| [00:33:05] | keith__: | what's another example of a upnp client? I'd like to verify that movies are available via upnp |
| [00:33:23] | EnderTheThird: | i suppose that if i'm gonna screw with MythTV, I might as well do it during break when I have time, and while no good TV is on anyway, lol |
| [00:33:33] | EnderTheThird: | Maybe I'll try it out when I get my new mobo next week. |
| [00:33:54] | GreyFoxx: | keith__: I use nero showtime |
| [00:34:01] | GreyFoxx: | djmount under linux |
| [00:34:06] | GreyFoxx: | there are a few out there |
| [00:34:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and hardware network media players... Which is what I have... |
| [00:34:54] | keith__: | such as? |
| [00:35:06] | keith__: | GreyFoxx: thanks |
| [00:35:15] | GreyFoxx: | DSM-320, some people using xbmc's upnp client |
| [00:35:23] | GreyFoxx: | there are many upnp hardware playes out there |
| [00:35:34] | EnderTheThird: | Do you have any recommendations on how to make mythtv remote ONLY? if myth crashes, I want my cousin to be able to restart myth or whatever from the remote |
| [00:35:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | keith__: I-O Data AvelLinkPlayer2 (HD + DVD), Buffalo LinkTheatre HD (HD + DVD) |
| [00:35:59] | EnderTheThird: | just use a script and add an entry in .lircrc and make irexec the app or what? |
| [00:36:07] | iamlindoro: | EnderTheThird: You can write a little script to kill/restart mythfrontend and check backend status and restart as necessary |
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| [00:36:14] | keith__: | EnderTheThird: I use 'monit' to keep mythtv up |
| [00:36:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: There's a item on jared wilson's page to make the remote "Wife Friendly"... http://www.wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php |
| [00:37:05] | EnderTheThird: | only problem i had messing with it last night was that when i mapped a button to a restart script, i couldn't use that button in myth |
| [00:37:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: It's about 1/3 down the screen... |
| [00:37:24] | EnderTheThird: | thanks. wife = cousin in my case |
| [00:37:26] | EnderTheThird: | ha |
| [00:37:34] | iamlindoro: | Gross |
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| [00:37:40] | iamlindoro: | You in Arkansas? |
| [00:37:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | rotfl!!!!! |
| [00:38:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^^^ You made cesman so sick he left the channel! |
| [00:38:01] | EnderTheThird: | yeah yeah, you fuckers are hilarious ;) |
| [00:38:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Oh crap, I think he is in Arkansas... |
| [00:38:29] | EnderTheThird: | So sick I broke the Internet |
| [00:38:44] | iamlindoro: | Worse, toledo Ohio... |
| [00:39:05] | EnderTheThird: | Nah, just setting it up for my cousin. he borked his computer with spyware and I found he had a TV tuner. he has a laptop, so i said screw it I'm setting up MythTV for him |
| [00:39:14] | EnderTheThird: | better than a single tuner tivo |
| [00:39:36] | iamlindoro: | I spent a summer in Ohio... The Wal-mart had a hitching post for horses and buggies, I shit you not |
| [00:39:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: That's an interesting choice of words... ;-) ROTFLMAO! |
| [00:40:32] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: ha, where in ohio? |
| [00:40:40] | iamlindoro: | Wooster |
| [00:40:40] | EnderTheThird: | j-e-f-f-a: which words? |
| [00:40:52] | iamlindoro: | Amish Country! |
| [00:40:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: "borked his computer" ;-) |
| [00:41:12] | iamlindoro: | I hope you washed you hands after fixing it |
| [00:41:25] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, new nVidia driver since the 20th |
| [00:41:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | or at least wore protection! |
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| [00:41:33] | EnderTheThird: | i spent a year in Bloomington, IN. i worked in a very po-dunk town 25 min away, where on the 1st of every month people from neighboring counties would travel to the wal-mart to spend their welfare checks |
| [00:41:56] | EnderTheThird: | well with all the porn on there, I'm glad i used my own mouse and keyboard |
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| [00:42:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: That's were all the issues came from... |
| [00:42:19] | iamlindoro: | Hey, my porn lives on my mythbox |
| [00:42:45] | EnderTheThird: | i'm not sure what was worst, all the porn or just the unorganized way in which it was stored |
| [00:42:57] | EnderTheThird: | *worse |
| [00:43:07] | EnderTheThird: | or worst |
| [00:43:15] | EnderTheThird: | screw English, i are an engineer dammit |
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| [00:44:10] | iamlindoro: | I toyed with the idea of adapting the imdb script for use at adultdvdempire.com... But I think it would be a dubious honor to have that be included in /contrib ;) |
| [00:44:27] | EnderTheThird: | that would be incredible |
| [00:44:39] | EnderTheThird: | financefiles.sh :) |
| [00:45:04] | iamlindoro: | ./mom-if-I-am-dead-sorry-about-this.sh |
| [00:46:01] | blackest: | anyone know if the mythweb files can be grabbed out of svn and dumped over an existing mythweb install ? |
| [00:46:16] | iamlindoro: | blackest: best to rm -rf the first one |
| [00:46:33] | iamlindoro: | That's the way I have it in my update script and it works every time |
| [00:46:52] | blackest: | you have an update script for mythweb :) |
| [00:47:06] | iamlindoro: | for myth SVN, including mythweb ;) |
| [00:47:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | blackest: As long as you're using 'compatible' versions, yeah. But if you're trying to use the SVN Trunk version with .20.2, I don't think you'll have much luck... |
| [00:47:53] | iamlindoro: | blackest: Yeah, J-e-f-f-A is correct... you need to get the whole shabang |
| [00:48:14] | blackest: | that means everything could go wrong |
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| [00:48:23] | iamlindoro: | That's the spirit |
| [00:48:42] | CaptObviousman: | anyone here running an iMon vfd/ir controller in their rig? |
| [00:49:14] | blackest: | i could mess up at least 2 backends and 4 frontends hmmm i think i might wait |
| [00:51:17] | iamlindoro: | Heh... IMDB appears to give you the poster for The Last Emperor when you've got Lethal Weapon |
| [00:53:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | blackest: Yeah, that's probably the best bet... I ran out of disk space trying to update my x-box to SVN, so it's been 'benched' for a couple of months now... My son's been using a Network UPnP player. He's been complaining about commercials... Oh well... |
| [00:54:00] | squish102: | any1 know how in ubuntu after using the update manager to get the steps that i need to perform afterwards. a screen came up and i didnt copy the steps down |
| [00:54:03] | justinh: | wot no AND in c++ if ? |
| [00:54:29] | CaptObviousman: | justinh: use && |
| [00:54:37] | CaptObviousman: | or use a #define |
| [00:54:55] | CaptObviousman: | and before you ask, OR == || |
| [00:55:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | What do you guys use for myth development work, ie: Eclipse, KDevelop, plain editors, or ??? |
| [00:56:21] | justinh: | plain editor right now |
| [00:56:37] | rooaus: | justinh: Not "&" which is a bitwise AND... otherwise you end up with odd errors ;) |
| [00:56:37] | squish102: | and what is the best tool to get info about a .avi file (codec used etc) |
| [00:56:44] | CaptObviousman: | I'm not a myth developer, but I use pretty much anything with syntax highlighting |
| [00:57:04] | EnderTheThird: | j-e-f-f-a: tell him when you were his age, they didn't even have shows, just commercials. and you were thankful! |
| [00:57:14] | GreyFoxx: | J-e-f-f-A: vi/vim |
| [00:57:17] | justinh: | I'm not really a developer either IMHO. but i have commit access. muhahahaha |
| [00:57:20] | CaptObviousman: | I'm a fan of programs based on the Scintlla edit core |
| [00:57:38] | CaptObviousman: | Notepad++ on windows, Kate on Linux, I'm sure there's others |
| [00:57:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm trying to look at the LCD code to see if there's a flag to change it to a 12-hour am/pm clock, but am getting wary opening one .cpp file at a time... (I miss the days of plain-old-"C" where it was all one file...) |
| [00:57:55] | Anduin: | justinh: people will hate you, but iso646 has "alternate" spellings |
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| [00:58:15] | GreyFoxx: | J-e-f-f-A: vi/vim, ctags (really useful), and gdb |
| [00:58:17] | justinh: | iso646 ? |
| [00:58:37] | Anduin: | justinh: C99ism, but we depends on C99 elsewhere |
| [00:58:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | CaptObviousman: Ok, same as me... I was hoping to be able to just open the 'project' and have all the source files pulled in automatically, kinda like Visual Basic does... |
| [00:58:56] | Anduin: | justinh: #include <ciso646> for example |
| [00:58:56] | justinh: | now I'm well & truly lost |
| [00:59:18] | justinh: | ahh. that 'c' |
| [01:01:11] | EnderTheThird: | how's stability on SVN? I know it's an unreleased type thing, but even so...? |
| [01:01:37] | iamlindoro: | I've never had a backend crash |
| [01:01:43] | Anduin: | EnderTheThird: Only slightly worse than usual. |
| [01:01:48] | EnderTheThird: | heh |
| [01:02:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: For me it's been rock-solid until some recent issues, which are apparently UPnP related as far as I can tell. |
| [01:02:16] | EnderTheThird: | been a while since i've had to install anything from svn (deb's spoil me so much). guess i'll need to do some hw |
| [01:02:37] | CaptObviousman: | heh |
| [01:02:46] | blackest: | http://www.thesh17.com/wp/2007/12/27/installi . . . n-on-ubuntu/ |
| [01:02:52] | CaptObviousman: | if I could just get off my lazy ass and actually get the mythtv front end built |
| [01:03:01] | CaptObviousman: | but the call of the webcomic is strong |
| [01:03:03] | EnderTheThird: | blackest: thanks |
| [01:03:55] | blackest: | i dont know how far it goes |
| [01:04:12] | EnderTheThird: | i'm wondering how well that will play with mythbuntu, heh. |
| [01:04:32] | EnderTheThird: | i'd back up my db and reinstall, but i'm not sure how easy that would be with my lvm for recordings |
| [01:04:36] | blackest: | suck it and see or wait till the next update |
| [01:04:37] | iamlindoro: | Just make *sure* to remove the packaged versions firt |
| [01:04:42] | iamlindoro: | er first |
| [01:04:45] | iamlindoro: | and backup your DB |
| [01:05:05] | EnderTheThird: | you think purging would be a better idea? |
| [01:05:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Or... if you've got some spare hardware to play with, build a test backend... |
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| [01:05:38] | blackest: | i think i am fairly safe i convert to xvid by default not much too lose apart from the settings |
| [01:06:32] | EnderTheThird: | j-e-f-f-a: good point. i think i'll have the hw for that after i get my new mobo and ram |
| [01:06:48] | EnderTheThird: | granted... like 16GB for the installation, but that's fine for testing functionality, heh |
| [01:08:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: I just started to build a slave backend with just a 10GB drive... ;-) |
| [01:09:06] | EnderTheThird: | haha, awesome. |
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| [01:09:23] | EnderTheThird: | i'd have enough space for a 30 min HD recording, heh |
| [01:10:46] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: so about that porn imdb script.... |
| [01:10:58] | EnderTheThird: | ;-) j/k |
| [01:11:16] | iamlindoro: | You could do a lot with 30 minutes of porn |
| [01:12:18] | EnderTheThird: | ha |
| [01:12:24] | EnderTheThird: | only need 3 minutes of porn though |
| [01:12:42] | justinh: | only if you've never seen it before |
| [01:13:25] | EnderTheThird: | you read about how pornstars are pissed about the move to HD? |
| [01:13:39] | EnderTheThird: | now they have to pay more to hide the scars from their boob jobs. oh noes! |
| [01:13:51] | iamlindoro: | Probably because they're all repulsive crank addicts with horrible complexions |
| [01:14:24] | AndyCap: | EnderTheThird: if only they would stop getting boob jobs instead |
| [01:14:36] | EnderTheThird: | AndyCap: BLASPHEMY! |
| [01:14:53] | AndyCap: | unless it's the other kind of boob job. |
| [01:14:55] | EnderTheThird: | as a future doctor i'm offended. such a thing could ruin my livelihood! |
| [01:15:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: future doctor? You said you were an engineer! ;-) |
| [01:15:28] | AndyCap: | doctor who? |
| [01:15:30] | squish102: | could someone help with my ubuntu. trying to compile myth and get the error config.err http://www.pastebin.ca/838004 after trying ./configure |
| [01:16:53] | EnderTheThird: | bioengineer |
| [01:16:56] | justinh: | sudo apt-get install build-essential ? |
| [01:17:15] | squish102: | ok, i;ll try that |
| [01:17:20] | EnderTheThird: | j-e-f-f-a: i'm going to be in school for a very long time |
| [01:17:48] | justinh: | squish102: you'll need to apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins too |
| [01:18:08] | squish102: | justinh, i thought i had done the build essentials, but looks like i didnt |
| [01:18:26] | AndyCap: | EnderTheThird: oh, you mean bloodsucker |
| [01:18:47] | EnderTheThird: | AndyCap: TomAto, tomAHto :-) |
| [01:20:28] | AndyCap: | ketchup. |
| [01:20:38] | justinh: | nice! I got my code responding to keypresses |
| [01:22:26] | EnderTheThird: | justinh: woo! |
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| [01:23:08] | blackest: | i think you need the qt deveopment fies |
| [01:23:23] | justinh: | up, down, left, right & select all worky. great |
| [01:23:27] | EnderTheThird: | You guys ever setup Myth to auto transcode to flash and broadcast that on your server? |
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| [01:24:02] | emory: | Quick question, just upgraded my feisty system to gutsy and the mythtv internal player keeps locking up my system... how do I fix this? |
| [01:24:42] | EnderTheThird: | emory: run it from CLI so you have some output to show |
| [01:25:01] | EnderTheThird: | emory: is that with recordings or video or both? |
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| [01:25:14] | emory: | livetv, recordings and mpg's |
| [01:25:31] | emory: | it'll take me awhile because i'll have to reboot after i crash it again... |
| [01:25:45] | EnderTheThird: | it crashes the whole comp? |
| [01:25:49] | emory: | yeah |
| [01:25:52] | EnderTheThird: | ouch |
| [01:25:58] | emory: | i have to alt-sysrq seiub |
| [01:27:02] | EnderTheThird: | damn girl wants me to go see the "lights before christmas" at the zoo tomorrow. is it bad that i'd rather install SVN? |
| [01:27:27] | ** CaptObviousman drools over a Silverstone case with built-in lcd ** | |
| [01:27:35] | CaptObviousman: | why the hell are these so god damn expensive |
| [01:27:49] | EnderTheThird: | in my defense, "lights before christmas" is not a euphemism for sex |
| [01:27:56] | CaptObviousman: | EnderTheThird: it should be |
| [01:27:57] | justinh: | because the 3 year olds who form the metal demand too much money these days? |
| [01:28:15] | ** CaptObviousman checks ebay hoping for cheaper ** | |
| [01:28:19] | EnderTheThird: | captobviousman: so not worth it. i just bought a regular desktop case for $50 and put it behind my DVD shelf |
| [01:28:53] | CaptObviousman: | well here's my dilemma. I bought one of the cheap Silverstone cases for my regular PC becuase I liked it so much |
| [01:29:06] | CaptObviousman: | my practical side is screaming at me to just use that and leave it be |
| [01:29:28] | CaptObviousman: | but VFD .... *drools some more* |
| [01:30:50] | emory: | pastebin.com/d650dbac8 |
| [01:30:51] | EnderTheThird: | can HDD partitions as part of LVMs be resized, or do I need to do something to make sure the LVM isn't storing anything specifically on that physical part of the HDD first? |
| [01:31:16] | CaptObviousman: | EnderTheThird: depends on the file system you used on the partition |
| [01:31:24] | EnderTheThird: | xfs |
| [01:31:35] | CaptObviousman: | well, sadly to say you can only increase the size, not decrease |
| [01:31:42] | EnderTheThird: | well son of a bitch, lol |
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| [01:31:48] | ** CaptObviousman found that out the hard way too ** | |
| [01:32:01] | CaptObviousman: | this is why my file server's going to have an overabundance of space to begin with |
| [01:32:04] | EnderTheThird: | when/if i redo that, is xfs still best for recordings or should i use something else? |
| [01:32:26] | EnderTheThird: | i'd have space for my recordings if i fudged some stuff around |
| [01:32:26] | CaptObviousman: | xfs is ideal for large files, that's what it was designed for |
| [01:32:28] | emory: | correction: pastebin.com/d650bdac8 |
| [01:33:03] | EnderTheThird: | hmmm |
| [01:33:27] | CaptObviousman: | I would stick with xfs, just accept the fact that you need to consider your partitions finalized |
| [01:33:39] | EnderTheThird: | well if upgrading to svn hoses me i'll just lose my recordings, heh |
| [01:33:52] | CaptObviousman: | why would you lose your recordings? |
| [01:34:00] | CaptObviousman: | you back the files up, bakc the db up, it can be restored |
| [01:34:10] | EnderTheThird: | emory: disable XV for now and see if it'll work |
| [01:34:22] | justinh: | riiight now I need my code to draw the images defined in appear-ui.xml at the positions required... |
| [01:34:36] | emory: | EnderTheThird: not extremely savy with Myth config... where do I do that? |
| [01:35:05] | CaptObviousman: | well, there's not a single one of the case I want to buy for sale on ebay |
| [01:35:08] | CaptObviousman: | which is good I think |
| [01:35:13] | CaptObviousman: | once you buy it you don't want to move on |
| [01:37:28] | CaptObviousman: | does anyone here have a vfd or front display on their case? |
| [01:37:37] | EnderTheThird: | emory: believe it's in general or appearance when you go to setup from frontend |
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| [01:38:27] | EnderTheThird: | i'm not at my home computer, so my help is limited, heh. hopefully someone else can chime in |
| [01:39:55] | iamlindoro: | Your X config is screwed up |
| [01:40:01] | iamlindoro: | what is your graphics driver? |
| [01:40:24] | emory: | should be using ATI-opensource |
| [01:40:32] | emory: | the ATI proprietary REALLY doesn't work with MythTV |
| [01:40:33] | iamlindoro: | Well there's your problem |
| [01:40:34] | iamlindoro: | ATI |
| [01:40:44] | emory: | and I've cooked 2 NVidia cards in this computer |
| [01:40:49] | emory: | ATI has a higher heat-threshold |
| [01:40:54] | iamlindoro: | you can *try* the closed source driver, but ATI and myth play together like naughty children |
| [01:41:07] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: you make it sound so... dirty |
| [01:41:14] | emory: | the whole point of today was to get the TV-Guide working |
| [01:41:23] | emory: | running it with proprietary driver crashes myth |
| [01:41:23] | iamlindoro: | Well sorry your day didn't work out |
| [01:41:35] | emory: | :( |
| [01:41:43] | iamlindoro: | emory, then get an nvidia card and water cool it, but ATI is teh devil |
| [01:41:50] | emory: | yuck |
| [01:41:53] | emory: | im unemployed |
| [01:41:54] | emory: | lol |
| [01:42:05] | EnderTheThird: | where do you have this thing set up that it's overheating so bad? |
| [01:42:12] | iamlindoro: | On his radiator |
| [01:42:16] | emory: | its just in my entertainment center |
| [01:42:17] | emory: | lol |
| [01:42:19] | EnderTheThird: | i have an nvidia card with no fan and i don't have any heating problems. 7600 GS |
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| [01:43:19] | emory: | arg, well I suppose I could try the newest version of the opensource driver |
| [01:43:32] | emory: | maybe the new install will fiddle with settings enough to get things working |
| [01:43:42] | emory: | otherwise I suppose I'll switch back to proprietary |
| [01:43:45] | emory: | ::cry:: |
| [01:44:12] | iamlindoro: | Throw some big, slow moving fans in that bad boy... and for our unemployed guests... they're cheap |
| [01:44:28] | emory: | lol |
| [01:44:39] | emory: | I did upgrade chassis since the last fire |
| [01:44:44] | emory: | it has more fans |
| [01:44:49] | iamlindoro: | *fire*? |
| [01:44:51] | emory: | I just didnt wanna go back |
| [01:44:53] | emory: | "fire" |
| [01:44:56] | emory: | no actual flames |
| [01:44:57] | iamlindoro: | You are definitely doing this wrong |
| [01:45:01] | emory: | just lots of smoke and damaged hardware |
| [01:45:24] | EnderTheThird: | most nvidia cards have a heat threshold before they shut down or something, don't they? |
| [01:45:38] | iamlindoro: | What are you, resting your hard drives on a bed of matchheads? |
| [01:45:56] | emory: | nope theyre on the opposite side of the chassis |
| [01:46:10] | EnderTheThird: | emory, if that case is in a closed entertainment cabinet, you're going to have overheating problems no matter what |
| [01:46:23] | EnderTheThird: | even if it's not completely closed, you're going to have a bitch of a time |
| [01:46:25] | emory: | I carved out a whole in the back of the entertainment center |
| [01:46:25] | iamlindoro: | Cut the back off the cabinet |
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| [01:46:31] | emory: | the ATI card has been running for a year and a half |
| [01:46:47] | EnderTheThird: | they'll run, but you're shortening all of your components' lives with the extra heat |
| [01:47:16] | EnderTheThird: | put the case behind the cabinet or in the corner of a room and get some longer cables. |
| [01:47:33] | EnderTheThird: | better to spend an extra $30 on cables than spend $200 replacing your hardware every 1–2 years |
| [01:47:59] | emory: | unfortunately its current position is the best air-flow spot in the room |
| [01:48:20] | emory: | plus I have a 3 year old so I cant just stick it on the floor |
| [01:48:28] | emory: | she'll pee on it or something.. |
| [01:48:53] | EnderTheThird: | Spend an extra $10 on cables and tie her down far enough away so she can't touch it |
| [01:49:02] | emory: | lol |
| [01:49:02] | EnderTheThird: | another problem solved,heh |
| [01:49:48] | emory: | we've lived without guide for a few months now and definitely having live TV is more important so Im just going to get the thing back up and running before the wife gets home and rips my head off |
| [01:50:42] | emory: | thanks for the help guys |
| [01:50:44] | emory: | have a good one |
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| [01:51:03] | EnderTheThird: | where in the hell did he have that thing set up? |
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| [01:56:15] | squish102: | what is the best tool to view information about .avi's and .mpg's etc |
| [01:57:42] | EnderTheThird: | not sure |
| [01:58:34] | EnderTheThird: | is MythMovies integrated/working yet? |
| [02:03:24] | iamlindoro: | You mean movie times? Yes, it's been working for a while in SVN |
| [02:03:48] | iamlindoro: | squish102: ffmpeg |
| [02:04:13] | iamlindoro: | but depends on the info you want |
| [02:04:31] | iamlindoro: | you can get info on the codecs, lengths, bitrates, tracks via ffmpeg |
| [02:04:36] | EnderTheThird: | oh i'm upgrading the shit outta my machine |
| [02:05:42] | EnderTheThird: | and i just deleted recordings i know i won't watch so i can squeeze them onto my other computer during the upgrade. LVM isn't worth it for only 70 extra GB |
| [02:05:46] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, patching mplayer/ffmpeg for mlp/TrueHD/E-AC3 is such an awful beatch.... I remember why I seldom update |
| [02:05:52] | EnderTheThird: | or 100, whatever the hell i have it as |
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| [02:15:47] | blackest: | got major problem compiling from svn |
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| [02:16:27] | blackest: | -lmythavutil-0.20 -lz -lm -ldl -mt -lqt -lXext -lX11 it cant find -lqt |
| [02:16:48] | iamlindoro: | blackest: what distro, is this first time building? |
| [02:17:01] | blackest: | first time on gutsy |
| [02:17:04] | iamlindoro: | did you apt-get build-dep mythtv? |
| [02:17:20] | blackest: | nope |
| [02:17:22] | iamlindoro: | do it |
| [02:17:24] | iamlindoro: | then try again |
| [02:17:28] | squish102: | iamlindoro, thanks i used to use the following command, but for some reason it does not work anymore "Desktop |
| [02:17:31] | squish102: | Web Images Maps News Shopping Gmail more . Blogs Books Calendar Documents Finance Groups Photos Reader Scholar Video YouTube even more » |
| [02:17:42] | iamlindoro: | ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| [02:17:44] | iamlindoro: | huh? |
| [02:17:50] | squish102: | mplayer -vo null -ao null -frames 0 -identify "$*" 2>/dev/null |
| [02:18:01] | iamlindoro: | meh, forget all that |
| [02:18:04] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg -i filename |
| [02:18:14] | squish102: | thx |
| [02:18:25] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [02:20:00] | blackest: | thanks its doing more |
| [02:20:05] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [02:20:38] | blackest: | do i need to do the ./configure prefix whatsit again |
| [02:22:01] | iamlindoro: | possibly, just do ./configure --previous |
| [02:22:20] | blackest: | ok |
| [02:24:19] | iamlindoro: | squish102: I use ffmpeg -i because I have ffmpeg and mplayer patched for HD-DVD audio streams, and need to know the aid # because each of them gets a different command line |
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| [02:28:53] | blackest: | how longs myth take to build |
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| [02:30:22] | justinh: | stupid question time.. to invert a bool, I could just do this right... whicharrow = !whicharrow yeah? |
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| [02:31:19] | Anduin: | justinh: Yes |
| [02:31:45] | justinh: | hmm something else must be wrong then |
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| [02:34:04] | Cackette: | omg guys |
| [02:34:08] | Cackette: | i'm so glad i found this channel |
| [02:34:32] | Anduin: | this channel mostly sucks |
| [02:34:54] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [02:35:25] | Cackette: | Anyone in here use Debian Etch and a HD-5500 |
| [02:35:27] | Cackette: | i'm so lost |
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| [02:35:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: I've got a HD-5500, but on FC6. |
| [02:35:56] | Cackette: | working NTSC? |
| [02:36:10] | justinh: | expensive framegrabber |
| [02:36:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: I'm only using it for ATSC. |
| [02:36:14] | Cackette: | ugh |
| [02:36:16] | Cackette: | i dont have ATSC |
| [02:36:45] | justinh: | wooot! I can move the arrow up & down with the up & down arrow keys |
| [02:36:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: ATSC is Digital NTSC... The ATSC tuner is just a framegrabber. Should show up as a V4L framegrabber iirc... |
| [02:37:07] | Cackette: | i'm just completely lost |
| [02:37:12] | Cackette: | i have the card hooked up and everything |
| [02:37:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: Make that... "The NTSC/analog tuner is just a framegrabber" |
| [02:37:24] | Cackette: | but i'm a linux noob |
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| [02:37:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: What's your source? (IE Antenna, cable, etc) |
| [02:37:59] | Cackette: | cable |
| [02:38:24] | Cackette: | comcast basic cable (1–70something) w/ about 6–7 digital/HD channels, the rest analog |
| [02:40:49] | Cackette: | like channel 3–1 is NBC HD, 40–1 is FOX HD, etc |
| [02:41:05] | ** justinh does the "I've just made a program that lets a user move a triangle around the screen!" dance ... ** | |
| [02:41:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: Ok, so you do have digital channels. |
| [02:41:12] | Cackette: | yes, but like 6–7 |
| [02:41:22] | Cackette: | and they come over the cable, not over the air |
| [02:41:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: Yeah, I think the cable companies are required to rebroadcast the ATSC channels on the cable. |
| [02:41:56] | iamlindoro: | I use ubuntu and the 5500 |
| [02:42:07] | iamlindoro: | close enough to etch |
| [02:42:25] | Cackette: | how'd you get it to fuckin work |
| [02:42:38] | Cackette: | i've plugged it in and got the drivers working |
| [02:42:39] | iamlindoro: | What's the problem? Sounds like you're getting your network TV via QAM ok |
| [02:42:40] | Cackette: | and thats about it |
| [02:42:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | Plug & pray? ;-) |
| [02:42:51] | iamlindoro: | What's not working? |
| [02:42:58] | Cackette: | like if i do dtvsignal -q 3, signal is 000 |
| [02:43:17] | iamlindoro: | nothing suspicious in dmesg? |
| [02:43:21] | Cackette: | nope |
| [02:43:24] | Cackette: | it looked good |
| [02:43:29] | iamlindoro: | have you tried setting it up in myth yet? |
| [02:43:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: Digital channel 3–1 is not necessarily frequency channel 3. |
| [02:43:37] | iamlindoro: | dvb card type |
| [02:43:48] | Cackette: | i've tried |
| [02:43:50] | Cackette: | but its confusing lol |
| [02:43:59] | iamlindoro: | Do a scan with us-cable frequency, QAM-256 modulation |
| [02:44:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: As a matter of fact, it's usually in the UHF range. Check out antennaweb.org for a cross-reference of digital channel numbers to frequencies... |
| [02:44:29] | Cackette: | here, lemme go login to the box |
| [02:44:30] | iamlindoro: | Don't worry about signal strength, most of that is a sham anyway |
| [02:44:34] | Cackette: | and hop on IRC there |
| [02:44:35] | Cackette: | brb |
| [02:44:46] | iamlindoro: | You only really need sections 2 and... 5 I think |
| [02:44:54] | Tanthrix: | Around these parts it's all over the place. In fact, Comcast just changed what frequency some of the channels were broadcast on, so for a while I thought they were cutting my OTA service |
| [02:44:55] | iamlindoro: | at least to test the card |
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| [02:45:50] | Tanthrix: | Anyone have any advice on diagnosing a crashing channel scan in myth with an Avermedia A180? |
| [02:46:10] | iamlindoro: | -v all |
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| [02:46:23] | jonny: | anybody read either of the mythtv books? They worth getting for a noob? |
| [02:46:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | or -v all nodatabase |
| [02:46:29] | Cackette: | ok i'm back |
| [02:46:37] | iamlindoro: | jonny: Mostly out of date |
| [02:46:37] | Tanthrix: | Tried that, and it literally just segaults without anything looking amiss. |
| [02:46:50] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, but at least we'd know what it was doing at the time |
| [02:47:12] | Cackette: | iamlindoro, can i PM you |
| [02:47:26] | iamlindoro: | Cackette: Let's do it in channel, I don't pay enough attention to the PMs |
| [02:47:59] | iamlindoro: | start mythtv-setup |
| [02:48:06] | iamlindoro: | go to option two, tuner card setup |
| [02:48:18] | iamlindoro: | And highlight the card type, then press right until you get DVB card type |
| [02:48:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | jonny: I bought the "Hacking MythTV" book, partially to get more insight to MythTV, and partly to support our community... ;-) |
| [02:48:39] | Tanthrix: | J-e-f-f-A/iamlindro: http://pastebin.com/m47c4977b <--Also, I tried with a fresh myth database from scratch, same thing. Nothing in the dmesg at the same time. And I can scan just fine with "scan" to make a channels.conf. But when I try to import that, as soon as myth finds a channel, it segfaults. |
| [02:48:58] | Cackette: | um, it says mythbackend is running |
| [02:49:04] | justinh: | since when is buying a book supporting the community? |
| [02:49:15] | iamlindoro: | Cackette: so stop the backend |
| [02:49:22] | jonny: | J-e-f-f-A: whats it like? |
| [02:49:28] | iamlindoro: | then start mythtv-setup again |
| [02:50:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Well, since it was written by some of the folks who support MythTV, it's helping... Wouldn't you want me to buy your MythTV book if you wrote one? |
| [02:50:33] | Cackette: | it says if this is the master backend server, please run mythfilldatabase |
| [02:50:35] | Cackette: | then closes |
| [02:50:47] | iamlindoro: | Cackette: That's when you exit mythtv-setup |
| [02:50:49] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: I think there was a channel scan crash ticket opened a few days ago |
| [02:50:54] | iamlindoro: | stop the backend from the terminal |
| [02:51:04] | iamlindoro: | then start mythtv-setup, and get to the 1–5(6?) menu |
| [02:51:25] | Cackette: | it wont load that |
| [02:51:29] | Cackette: | the backend is stopped |
| [02:51:48] | justinh: | hmmm dunno if using a bool for determining which arrow is selected is working |
| [02:51:59] | iamlindoro: | can't do much to set up a card if you can't get mythtv-setup running |
| [02:52:05] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Really? All I found when I was poking around was this which didn't go anywhere.. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . ault;#289389 |
| [02:52:33] | Cackette: | weird, mythtv-setup is trippin |
| [02:52:44] | Cackette: | it loads the blue background thingy then goes blank |
| [02:52:52] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4366 |
| [02:53:05] | iamlindoro: | Cackette: Have you changed themes in frontend, perchance? |
| [02:53:37] | Cackette: | it says cannot create a file /var/lib/mythtv//.test |
| [02:53:53] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Interesting. Is it possible for me to add to that? |
| [02:54:05] | iamlindoro: | That's, again, an exit message |
| [02:54:44] | iamlindoro: | Answer my questions please |
| [02:54:52] | EnderTheThird: | is /var/lib/mythtv owned by mythtv or whatever group/user you're using? |
| [02:54:59] | Cackette: | i think i changed a theme |
| [02:55:04] | Cackette: | but i cant get into the frontend now |
| [02:55:15] | justinh: | seems setting the bool = true or false directly is better than just bool = !bool |
| [02:55:39] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: Yes, attach any new bts you can make, especially if they look anything like what is there. |
| [02:55:45] | iamlindoro: | What's that command line option to force a given theme again? is it something like -theme=GANT? |
| [02:55:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Yeah, it seems that would alwasy be false... ;-) |
| [02:55:57] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: -O Theme=theme |
| [02:56:11] | iamlindoro: | Thanks, Anduin. Cackette, you catch that? |
| [02:56:12] | Anduin: | (using the DB override option) |
| [02:56:14] | iamlindoro: | Force GANT |
| [02:56:42] | iamlindoro: | -O Theme=GANT |
| [02:56:47] | iamlindoro: | and if not that, try blue |
| [02:56:51] | EnderTheThird: | heh, that CL option would have been useful when it kept trying to use neon-wide when i didn't have it installed. granted installing it wasn't hard, but still, heh |
| [02:56:53] | Cackette: | where do i do that |
| [02:56:57] | Anduin: | -O ThemePainter=qt may also help (or font fixing) for blank screens |
| [02:56:59] | iamlindoro: | when starting mythtv-setup |
| [02:57:07] | Cackette: | like mythtv-setup -0 Theme=GANT |
| [02:57:08] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Is making a backtrace just a matter of running "gdb mythtv-setup" ? |
| [02:57:18] | iamlindoro: | yes... and if that doesn't work, follo Anduins other advice |
| [02:57:49] | Cackette: | is it an oh or a zero |
| [02:57:56] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: mostly, only if it is a debug build will it be that useful (you also need to run bt at the gdb command prompt after the crash), more steps are in the main mythtv.org docs. |
| [02:57:57] | iamlindoro: | Oh |
| [02:58:02] | iamlindoro: | Ocean |
| [02:58:17] | justinh: | oh boy. this is going to need fine & coarse settings |
| [02:58:23] | Cackette: | ok now its open |
| [02:58:26] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Thanks, I'll take a look. |
| [02:58:28] | Cackette: | w/ the 1–5 menu |
| [02:58:31] | iamlindoro: | Option 2 |
| [02:58:40] | iamlindoro: | Highlight card type, press right until you get DVB card type |
| [02:58:47] | Cackette: | ahh crap, it just closed |
| [02:59:01] | ** iamlindoro begins to get frustrated ** | |
| [02:59:10] | Cackette: | so it should say [DVB : 0] |
| [02:59:12] | Cackette: | correct? |
| [02:59:21] | iamlindoro: | Yes, and it should show you your card name if it is properly set up |
| [02:59:29] | Cackette: | hrmm, it doesnt |
| [02:59:32] | iamlindoro: | It should autosense something like HD-5500 |
| [02:59:41] | Cackette: | wait, yeahg |
| [02:59:42] | Cackette: | it does |
| [02:59:48] | iamlindoro: | OK |
| [02:59:56] | iamlindoro: | so minimally, your card is installed properly |
| [03:00:08] | Cackette: | thats good |
| [03:00:12] | iamlindoro: | so ok that to create the card |
| [03:00:18] | Cackette: | done |
| [03:00:23] | iamlindoro: | Where are you located |
| [03:00:29] | iamlindoro: | And don't say the living room |
| [03:00:36] | Cackette: | haha |
| [03:00:38] | Cackette: | the den |
| [03:00:44] | iamlindoro: | I fucking hate people |
| [03:01:09] | Cackette: | lol whats wrong w/ the room i'm in |
| [03:01:14] | iamlindoro: | I'll start you off... planet earth... get more exact from there |
| [03:01:16] | Cackette: | the cable connection is out here |
| [03:01:21] | Cackette: | ohhhh |
| [03:01:22] | Cackette: | fuck |
| [03:01:26] | EnderTheThird: | say he wanted to mail your ass an envelope |
| [03:01:30] | EnderTheThird: | a letter, even |
| [03:01:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: MN according to his ISP... |
| [03:01:39] | Cackette: | thats wrong |
| [03:01:42] | EnderTheThird: | what would he need to put on the outise of the envelope to make sure you get it? |
| [03:01:43] | Cackette: | i'm in Sacramento, CA |
| [03:01:43] | jamesd_: | damm... and they say #solaris is bad... |
| [03:01:55] | Cackette: | when you mentioned a room, i thought you were talking rooms |
| [03:01:56] | EnderTheThird: | wow, i can't spell/type worth a damn when i'm being a smartass, lol |
| [03:02:01] | iamlindoro: | OK. Go to the channel scan option, 5 I think |
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| [03:02:11] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: I take it that I have to recompile with --compile-type=debug to get a proper backtrace? Is that something I should always be doing normally in case these sitations arise, or are there performance issues related? |
| [03:02:13] | Cackette: | channel editor? |
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| [03:02:25] | iamlindoro: | And you're going to perform a channel scan with frequency table us-cable, modulation QAM-256 |
| [03:02:45] | iamlindoro: | Well, let's go into option 4 first |
| [03:03:05] | iamlindoro: | There should be a option to select your card, probably DVB:0 |
| [03:03:10] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: I might finish this gadget by the end of the year :) |
| [03:03:14] | Cackette: | input connections? |
| [03:03:18] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: I do (well not really but close), debug does have a performance hit, if you don't notice, yes just use it all the time. |
| [03:03:19] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [03:03:25] | Cackette: | ok |
| [03:03:30] | iamlindoro: | Select your card, and there will be a button on that screen to scan for channels |
| [03:03:33] | Cackette: | selected dvb:0 |
| [03:03:39] | Cackette: | ok |
| [03:03:42] | iamlindoro: | hit it |
| [03:03:51] | EnderTheThird: | i'd hit it |
| [03:03:57] | iamlindoro: | I believe it defaults to us-bcast, change that to us-cable |
| [03:04:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | "But now my LCD is cracked!" ;-) |
| [03:04:13] | Cackette: | video source, capture card, scan type |
| [03:04:14] | iamlindoro: | Nothing would surprise me |
| [03:04:19] | Cackette: | cant pick anything from vid source or capture card |
| [03:04:27] | Cackette: | and scan type says failed to open card |
| [03:04:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | permissions? |
| [03:04:39] | ** iamlindoro turns on the myth box ** | |
| [03:05:14] | EnderTheThird: | doesn't one of the card types actually list the 5500 as an example? |
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| [03:05:29] | EnderTheThird: | i don't remember for sure cause i don't have that card anymore |
| [03:05:41] | emory: | EnderTheThird: Guess what I did to fix it! |
| [03:05:48] | emory: | EnderTheThird: Ran mythfilldatabase... |
| [03:06:02] | EnderTheThird: | emory: you're shitting me |
| [03:06:05] | emory: | nope |
| [03:06:11] | EnderTheThird: | that's.... weird |
| [03:06:21] | emory: | yeah I thought so |
| [03:06:25] | emory: | livetv works |
| [03:06:26] | emory: | guide works |
| [03:06:30] | emory: | everything freaking WORKS!!! |
| [03:06:41] | iamlindoro: | Cackette: you have to be in the wrong spot |
| [03:06:43] | emory: | the guid preview window is on the wrong side of the screen bug F- that! |
| [03:06:48] | emory: | lol |
| [03:06:49] | EnderTheThird: | then again, iamlindoro and i spent prob 30+ min trying to get my remote to work, and a purge and reinstall fixed it after all of that |
| [03:07:03] | EnderTheThird: | i was so angry, lol |
| [03:07:23] | Cackette: | i dont think so |
| [03:07:27] | Cackette: | i went to 4. channel editor |
| [03:07:31] | iamlindoro: | Cackette: Wait, maybe it's just differences between your version and my SVN |
| [03:07:33] | emory: | alrighty well im gonna go enjoy some wonderful tv |
| [03:07:40] | Cackette: | then [DVB:0], then channel scan |
| [03:07:45] | emory: | thanks again for your help I thought people in here might find that amusing |
| [03:07:45] | iamlindoro: | Do you have an option to choose frequency table? |
| [03:07:46] | EnderTheThird: | emory: glad it's working |
| [03:07:51] | Cackette: | no |
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| [03:08:05] | Cackette: | im pretty sure that'd be under scan type |
| [03:08:13] | Cackette: | but it says Failed to Open Card. |
| [03:08:14] | iamlindoro: | Well scan type should be "full scan" |
| [03:08:25] | ** Tanthrix recompiles myth in debug mode hoping he doesn't bork his whole setup ** | |
| [03:08:30] | EnderTheThird: | do you have a video source associated with it? |
| [03:08:42] | Cackette: | cant select anything in video source or capture card |
| [03:08:44] | iamlindoro: | Cackette: You didn't set up other cards, did you? The *only* option you have was DVB:0, right? |
| [03:08:49] | Cackette: | yep |
| [03:09:07] | EnderTheThird: | add something. i couldn't get my cousin's analog card to scan/open at all until i gave it a video source |
| [03:09:22] | EnderTheThird: | you don't have schedulesdirect.org or anything? |
| [03:09:24] | iamlindoro: | Yes, let's go back and go to option 3 |
| [03:09:45] | iamlindoro: | Give the source a name (HD-5500 will be fine) |
| [03:10:09] | iamlindoro: | Let's try leaving everything else blank and pressing finished for right now |
| [03:10:19] | iamlindoro: | See if it will create an empty listings source |
| [03:10:32] | Cackette: | it did |
| [03:10:34] | iamlindoro: | If it succeeds, you should see it in a list |
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| [03:10:38] | iamlindoro: | ok, now go to four |
| [03:10:46] | iamlindoro: | select DVB:0 again |
| [03:11:05] | iamlindoro: | move over "Video Source," and select the one you just created |
| [03:11:06] | Cackette: | failed to open card still |
| [03:11:10] | Cackette: | and cant select video source |
| [03:11:11] | iamlindoro: | Then hit scan for channels |
| [03:11:28] | Cackette: | oh |
| [03:11:29] | Cackette: | i gotcha |
| [03:11:31] | EnderTheThird: | Cackette: then i don't think you actually created a video source |
| [03:11:32] | Cackette: | ok i'm there |
| [03:11:32] | EnderTheThird: | nvm |
| [03:11:37] | iamlindoro: | I mean video source in the page *before* scan for channels |
| [03:11:43] | Cackette: | yeah |
| [03:11:48] | Cackette: | i'm there, new options now |
| [03:11:49] | Cackette: | lol |
| [03:11:51] | EnderTheThird: | it should really spit out a different error than "failed to open card" when it fails because there's no video source |
| [03:12:03] | iamlindoro: | Card open, on the scan page, right? |
| [03:12:05] | EnderTheThird: | i spent close to an hour messing with that damned analog card before i figured that out |
| [03:12:06] | Cackette: | yep |
| [03:12:11] | iamlindoro: | Freuency table us-cable |
| [03:12:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... or if it doesn't have permissions to open the card ... |
| [03:12:16] | iamlindoro: | Modulation QAM-256 |
| [03:12:31] | Cackette: | us-cable isnt an option |
| [03:12:32] | iamlindoro: | I like – as the seperator, personally, but do what you like |
| [03:12:38] | iamlindoro: | Cable is fine |
| [03:12:40] | EnderTheThird: | or just cable |
| [03:12:55] | EnderTheThird: | We're not picky. :-) |
| [03:12:57] | Cackette: | theres like 6 types of cable |
| [03:13:01] | Cackette: | cable IRC, HRC, etc |
| [03:13:01] | iamlindoro: | Just CABLE |
| [03:13:03] | Cackette: | just cable |
| [03:13:14] | iamlindoro: | ffs |
| [03:13:34] | Cackette: | ok i'm up to qam-256 |
| [03:13:36] | iamlindoro: | Once you're ready to press next, tell me |
| [03:13:44] | iamlindoro: | Minimal updates is fine since you have no channels right now |
| [03:13:57] | Cackette: | what about channel seperator |
| [03:14:08] | iamlindoro: | Already covered that... |
| [03:14:10] | iamlindoro: | whatever you want |
| [03:14:14] | Cackette: | oh |
| [03:14:21] | Cackette: | i'll use – because thats where my digital channels are |
| [03:14:26] | Cackette: | i.e. 3–1 |
| [03:14:29] | iamlindoro: | doesn't matter |
| [03:14:32] | iamlindoro: | it's purely visual |
| [03:14:33] | EnderTheThird: | chan separator is pretty much visual only |
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| [03:14:45] | EnderTheThird: | *pretty much = purely ;) |
| [03:14:47] | iamlindoro: | press next... and wait a really long time as it scans |
| [03:15:13] | iamlindoro: | and keep in mind that your 3–1 probably lives on channel 99 or something, so don't get disheartened when you get to 88 and still haven't found a channel |
| [03:15:20] | Cackette: | this isnt looking good |
| [03:15:29] | Cackette: | no signal for every channel so far |
| [03:15:36] | ** iamlindoro points at his last line ** | |
| [03:15:37] | EnderTheThird: | yeah, a lot of my channels didn't come in until 100+, so don't worry yet |
| [03:15:41] | Cackette: | ok |
| [03:15:44] | ** iamlindoro bashes his head on the desk ** | |
| [03:15:53] | EnderTheThird: | and i get mine via ClearQAM too, so it's cool so far |
| [03:17:00] | Cackette: | so is this scan only finding my digital channels? |
| [03:17:03] | iamlindoro: | If you're like practically everyone else, you'll get about five channels you want and about 85 religious channels, QVC, etc that youwill want to delete |
| [03:17:08] | iamlindoro: | Cackette: Correct |
| [03:17:15] | iamlindoro: | and only unencrypted ones |
| [03:17:29] | Cackette: | and after this, we can find the regular analog ones? |
| [03:17:29] | iamlindoro: | so you will get NBC, CBS, Fox, ABC, and probably some random community access crap |
| [03:17:36] | Cackette: | yeah |
| [03:17:48] | iamlindoro: | Cackette, you can only use it in one mode |
| [03:17:51] | iamlindoro: | at once |
| [03:17:52] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: oh god yes. fucking religious and canadian channels coming out of every frequency, heh |
| [03:18:02] | iamlindoro: | The HD-5500 is absolutely the WRONG card for doing analog |
| [03:18:15] | Cackette: | it says it does NTSC/ATSC/QAM |
| [03:18:22] | EnderTheThird: | PVR 500 works great as a dual analog card (i have it) |
| [03:18:34] | iamlindoro: | It's a framegrabber, it's no better than a ten year old piece of shit card |
| [03:18:48] | iamlindoro: | for analog channels you want a hardware encoder card like the PVR-150 or 500 |
| [03:19:10] | Cackette: | i cant setup the hd-5500 to do analog? |
| [03:19:13] | iamlindoro: | And you can only run the HD-5500 in one mode at once |
| [03:19:18] | iamlindoro: | Sure you can... at the expense of ATSC |
| [03:19:20] | EnderTheThird: | offload some of that work from your poor CPU and give it to that analog tuner |
| [03:19:33] | iamlindoro: | You can only use one |
| [03:19:38] | iamlindoro: | And ATSC is far, far better |
| [03:19:41] | Cackette: | it cant be programmed to have both? |
| [03:19:48] | Cackette: | seeing as i only have like 6 ATSC channels |
| [03:19:50] | iamlindoro: | Keep it as ATSC and buy yourself a PVR-150 for the analog channels |
| [03:19:51] | EnderTheThird: | Cackette: is the 5500 the only card you have, and only one of them? |
| [03:19:55] | Cackette: | yes |
| [03:20:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: Think of it this way — your Boom-Box can play CD's, AM, and FM, but only one at a time... |
| [03:20:05] | iamlindoro: | Cackette: For the *third* time, no, it cannot do both at once |
| [03:20:10] | Cackette: | yeah, why would i want to play both |
| [03:20:14] | Cackette: | at the same time |
| [03:20:24] | Cackette: | just the ability to switch between |
| [03:20:30] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [03:20:31] | EnderTheThird: | you can't do that either |
| [03:20:31] | iamlindoro: | Can't. |
| [03:20:33] | iamlindoro: | fourth tim |
| [03:20:35] | iamlindoro: | e |
| [03:20:46] | EnderTheThird: | you have to redo the setup to get analog, in which case you just wasted a lot of time |
| [03:20:54] | Cackette: | hrmm |
| [03:20:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: Same thing with your tuner card. It appears as two tuners — one Analog, one Digital. Myth doesnt' know they're physically on the same card... |
| [03:21:08] | EnderTheThird: | PVR-150 is ~$55 or so on Newegg IIRC |
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| [03:21:35] | Cackette: | is it easy to have both running @ the same time |
| [03:21:48] | iamlindoro: | If you have a 150 and a 5500, yes |
| [03:21:50] | EnderTheThird: | 5500 and PVR 150? yeah, no no problem |
| [03:21:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: Therefore may schedule stuff on both at one time. You'd be much better off to get a Hauppauge tuner for your analog channels. |
| [03:21:54] | Cackette: | ok |
| [03:21:58] | justinh: | Cackette: not if they're on the same card |
| [03:22:10] | Cackette: | might as well get a pvr-150 as well and leave the HD to this guy |
| [03:22:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: I've got a PVR-500, PVR-250, HD-3000, and HD-5500 in the same box. 3 analog, 2 digital... ;-) |
| [03:22:26] | iamlindoro: | Cackette: Yes. That's exactly what we've been telling you |
| [03:22:33] | Cackette: | lol |
| [03:22:38] | EnderTheThird: | they have separate channel lists (viewed as one to you), so if you set it to record HD, it'll use the 5500, but if you set it to record standard def analog, it'll use the 150 or 500, whatever you get |
| [03:22:56] | Cackette: | my HTPC box hasnt even arrived yet |
| [03:23:13] | Cackette: | lazy UPS |
| [03:23:20] | EnderTheThird: | you're good to go with both as long as you have the PCI slot(s) to spare |
| [03:23:27] | Cackette: | yeah, i do |
| [03:23:51] | Cackette: | 95% done scanning |
| [03:24:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: Did it find some channels yet? |
| [03:24:18] | Cackette: | this is gonna make me sound like an idiot, but whats the s-video output on the tuner card for |
| [03:24:22] | Cackette: | yeah |
| [03:24:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: It's an input, for recording an external source — via the analog frame-grabber side of the card. |
| [03:25:06] | Cackette: | so i dont need it connected? |
| [03:25:25] | EnderTheThird: | so you could get video from a cable set top box (STB) and put it through to the S-Video if you wanted to record premium channels that Myth can't tune on its own |
| [03:25:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: Nope. All you need/want connected is the RF connection... |
| [03:25:38] | Cackette: | ok, i dont have a STB anyways |
| [03:25:44] | EnderTheThird: | but if all you're doing is ATSC and analog cable, you don't need it |
| [03:25:52] | EnderTheThird: | and an STB would get messy, especially if you're new |
| [03:25:55] | Cackette: | ok, the scan is done |
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| [03:25:56] | EnderTheThird: | so you're better off :) |
| [03:26:10] | Cackette: | i hit finish now? |
| [03:26:33] | ** J-e-f-f-A started with 2 Dish Network STB's.... That was a treat as the IR codes didn't exist for my DP7200 receiver... ;-) ** | |
| [03:26:36] | EnderTheThird: | yessum. did you find yourself some channels? |
| [03:26:43] | Cackette: | it said it found a couple |
| [03:26:56] | Cackette: | so now what do i do |
| [03:26:59] | EnderTheThird: | j-e-f-f-a: how well does Myth do with sending IR codes (assuming they exist) |
| [03:27:05] | iamlindoro: | Go watch TV |
| [03:27:18] | Cackette: | close mythtv-setup and load the front end? |
| [03:27:20] | EnderTheThird: | Cackette: press OK, finish, exit, and open frontend |
| [03:27:22] | iamlindoro: | backend first |
| [03:27:27] | iamlindoro: | then frontend |
| [03:27:36] | EnderTheThird: | ^^listen to that guy |
| [03:27:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: I haven't had any problems in a LONG time... (As long as I didn't have my flourescent light on facing directly into the ir receivers by accident...) |
| [03:28:01] | Cackette: | do i run mythfilldatabase? |
| [03:28:25] | EnderTheThird: | i don't plan on doing anything like that because i'm a cheap ass, but it's comforting to know the option is there if i wante those premium channels |
| [03:28:26] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [03:28:30] | iamlindoro: | since you have no listings source |
| [03:28:35] | EnderTheThird: | but even then, i'd want some premium HD channels, in which case i'm hosed anyway |
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| [03:29:02] | Cackette: | how do i start the backend w/o opening mythtv-setup |
| [03:29:21] | EnderTheThird: | in a terminal (Command line): sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart |
| [03:29:22] | iamlindoro: | backend never starts from mythtv-setup |
| [03:29:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: I have 3 Dish SD STB's feeding S-Video and Analog audio into PVR cards, and 2 HD tuners with a roof-top antenna, pulling in ATSC from Boston. (total of approx 22 channels, including all the sub-channels) |
| [03:29:55] | Cackette: | then just "mythtv" |
| [03:30:08] | EnderTheThird: | mythfrontend |
| [03:30:18] | Cackette: | fuck |
| [03:30:31] | EnderTheThird: | ? |
| [03:30:31] | Cackette: | mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
| [03:30:40] | iamlindoro: | Are you running it from X? |
| [03:30:48] | iamlindoro: | Did you read *any* myth documentation??? |
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| [03:31:57] | EnderTheThird: | Cackette: you might want to look into a myth-specific distro if you keep having a lot of trouble. Mythbuntu works well. There's also KnoppMyth and MythDora. |
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| [03:32:31] | justinh: | wheee. now all I need is a popup menu to pop up when I press MENU |
| [03:32:36] | EnderTheThird: | this Giants v Patriots game is nuts |
| [03:32:45] | Cackette: | hrmm, no sound |
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| [03:33:06] | EnderTheThird: | 5500 requires a cable going from card to line in, doesn't it? |
| [03:33:10] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [03:33:13] | iamlindoro: | not for ATSC |
| [03:33:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: There are a few drawbacks with my setup – ie: loss of digitial audio, and can't do PPV, etc. (Myth doesn't have the functionality to deal with 'authorizing' the PPV purchase...) |
| [03:33:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: No $hit... ;-) |
| [03:33:45] | EnderTheThird: | hahaha |
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| [03:34:20] | EnderTheThird: | yeah. but think of the money you save by not blowing it on PPV porn |
| [03:34:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: Where are you located btw? I'm just outside of Boston. ;-) |
| [03:34:22] | EnderTheThird: | pun intended |
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| [03:34:36] | EnderTheThird: | Toledo, OH |
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| [03:34:51] | Cackette: | so whats the deal w/ audio |
| [03:35:04] | EnderTheThird: | Cackette: you using a regular PC setup? |
| [03:35:07] | Cackette: | yep |
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| [03:35:35] | EnderTheThird: | check your setup from the frontend (FE). in general, there are some sound settings |
| [03:35:41] | iamlindoro: | Cackette: You really need to start using the wiki and myth docs as a resource... It's one thing to solve a problem or two, but it's rude to expect us to solve every problem you come against |
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| [03:36:11] | iamlindoro: | Without even attempting to solve it yourself or read anything or google about it |
| [03:36:39] | EnderTheThird: | Cackette: not to be rude, but that's seconded. Linux and Myth community are a GREAT resource, but you need to give it a shot on your own first. it helps you learn more that way too. there are a ton of wonderful howto's out there for several distros. Which distro are you using? |
| [03:36:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Do you have any experience with DVB-S ? |
| [03:36:59] | geminidomino: | I was having some svideo trouble so I updated the nvidia drivers, and now mythfrontend segfaults immediately. Any ideas? |
| [03:37:00] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Only a tiny tiny bit, any of the EU guys are probably a better resource |
| [03:37:20] | EnderTheThird: | j-e-f-f-a: if i get one of these summer tutoring jobs, i'll either be in san diego or boston over the summer. no offense, but i'm hoping for san diego, haha |
| [03:37:49] | EnderTheThird: | geminidomino: is it using the nvidia driver right now? i had trouble with the newest 169.07 |
| [03:38:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: I'd say come to Boson in December, but you're weather is probably pretty much the same as ours out here... ;-) |
| [03:38:12] | EnderTheThird: | i have to kill gdm, reinstall the driver, and then restart gdm every time i restart in order to get the damned driver to work |
| [03:38:19] | justinh: | void updateScreen(); |
| [03:38:22] | justinh: | oopsie |
| [03:38:28] | geminidomino: | EnderTheThird: Yeah. It will start xorg but not the frontend. |
| [03:38:36] | iamlindoro: | Boston is great in the cummer.. I went to grad school there... Hot babe on Newbury Street |
| [03:38:40] | iamlindoro: | er hot babes |
| [03:38:49] | EnderTheThird: | cummer? |
| [03:38:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: That didn't work... I still saw the screen update... ;-) |
| [03:38:58] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [03:38:59] | iamlindoro: | summer |
| [03:39:06] | EnderTheThird: | freudian slip, i think |
| [03:39:34] | EnderTheThird: | geminidomino: no hints from CLI output when starting it? |
| [03:39:47] | geminidomino: | EnderTheThird: Nope. Just "Segmentation fault" No other output |
| [03:40:11] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: funny thing. i set my BE to update NTP every 15 min until i get that mobo. what a bullshit, cheap, dirty fix, haha. i felt like such a bum doing that |
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| [03:40:43] | EnderTheThird: | geminidomino: try mythfilldatabase. guy was having vid problems earlier and that fixed it. worth a shot, lol |
| [03:40:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: Are you running your MB overclocked? Perhaps it affects the Real-time-clock? |
| [03:41:09] | geminidomino: | why not... |
| [03:41:20] | geminidomino: | that segfaults too |
| [03:41:22] | geminidomino: | wtf |
| [03:41:27] | Cackette: | EnderTheThird, i'm using debian etch |
| [03:41:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | geminidomino: EnderTheThird ... or some Windex... ;-) |
| [03:41:40] | EnderTheThird: | underclocked. i cheaped out when i wanted to upgrade the cpu and got a mobo that would let me use my AGP an RAM, but that forces the CPU and BUS into a slower speed |
| [03:42:05] | Cackette: | turns out its not myth causing no sound |
| [03:42:08] | Cackette: | no sound anywhere |
| [03:42:09] | EnderTheThird: | that's what i get for a $40 micro ATX mobo though. it did its job for about 4 months though |
| [03:42:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: Plug it into the green jack... ;-) |
| [03:42:32] | geminidomino: | I wish I could get a nice small case... my mythbox is a full-size tower on top of my entertainment center. :) |
| [03:42:40] | Cackette: | it is |
| [03:43:10] | EnderTheThird: | hold up |
| [03:43:41] | Cackette: | alsaconf didnt fix it |
| [03:43:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: How far does your clock drift? |
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| [03:47:35] | EnderTheThird: | back |
| [03:47:45] | geminidomino: | bugger... guess it's tine for another reinstall... |
| [03:47:54] | EnderTheThird: | it was off by at least a minute after running for <6 hours |
| [03:48:54] | EnderTheThird: | hwclock doesn't seem to lose the time, or at least not as quickly. it's whatever linux uses to count the time that seems to get thrown off |
| [03:49:14] | EnderTheThird: | probably uses some db of what speed my cpu SHOULD be at, but then runs slow because of that |
| [03:49:30] | Cackette: | where do i go in MythTV to get the TVguide-like thing |
| [03:49:42] | EnderTheThird: | in live tv, press m |
| [03:49:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | EnderTheThird: Well, there's a Real-Time-Clock that keeps time when the powers off, and the real-time-clock that keeps time when the power is turned on, and loads from the battery-backed clock... |
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| [03:50:16] | iamlindoro: | Holy shit, this *is* a great game |
| [03:50:29] | EnderTheThird: | i know that my "date" and "hwclock" commands weren't giveing the same time. but my date was off by ~30 min when my hwclock was off by ~12 min |
| [03:50:31] | Cackette: | what do i do to fill the program guide |
| [03:50:40] | Cackette: | it just says Unknown (Unknown) |
| [03:50:59] | EnderTheThird: | Cackette, find a howto for setting up schedulesdirect.org. we can't do step-by-step for everything that's already in guides. sorry |
| [03:51:04] | iamlindoro: | It's well explained in the howto on mythtv.org |
| [03:51:07] | Cackette: | k |
| [03:51:30] | EnderTheThird: | i don't really care enough to find the exact cause when i needed more SATA ports on my mobo anyway |
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| [03:51:42] | ribatejo: | hi |
| [03:51:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | ih |
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| [03:52:14] | ribatejo: | anybdy knows the latest with hauppauge hvr 1600? saw a beta drivers but that was it |
| [03:52:17] | Anduin: | ribatejo: The beta driver was announced on the 22nd so yes, new, beta |
| [03:53:15] | ribatejo: | AndAnduin: tx again :) anybpdy here using it? need to check the chipset but I can't get it to work... |
| [03:53:40] | ribatejo: | modprobe loads it fine |
| [03:53:41] | Anduin: | ribatejo: You may get help on the ivtv-dev mail list |
| [03:53:45] | Tanthrix: | Any way I can tell which svn version of myth I'm running? |
| [03:53:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Tanthrix: mythfrontend --version |
| [03:54:14] | Tanthrix: | J-e-f-f-A: Who would have thunk it? ;) |
| [03:54:33] | EnderTheThird: | i hate it when -v or --version isn't in there for apps, lol |
| [03:54:43] | ribatejo: | ehehhe |
| [03:54:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehe.... You might want to check the backend too to make sure you didn't get out of sync... ;-) |
| [03:55:12] | Tanthrix: | I've gotten into the habit of not even looking there, since so damned frequently it's not |
| [03:55:20] | Tanthrix: | Any way to figure out the version for a SVN checkout? |
| [03:55:39] | Cackette: | wait, wtf |
| [03:55:43] | EnderTheThird: | you could just check it out, lol |
| [03:55:46] | Cackette: | you have to pay for a listing service? |
| [03:55:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Tanthrix: You mean checking out a specific version, or what version you've got checked out? |
| [03:55:53] | ribatejo: | can anybody explain me your setup? I mean...do you use myth with front end backend in the same pc or you gauys have the fukk setup througout the house? |
| [03:55:53] | EnderTheThird: | $20/year for free listings |
| [03:55:54] | GreyFoxx: | Tanthrix: "svn info" |
| [03:55:59] | EnderTheThird: | not bad when Tivo is $15/month |
| [03:56:09] | EnderTheThird: | *err, not free, my bad |
| [03:56:12] | Tanthrix: | I've got a checkout from months ago, the old version I was using, and I want to figure out what it was |
| [03:56:14] | Cackette: | theres no free listings? |
| [03:56:16] | Tanthrix: | Not installed anymore |
| [03:56:24] | iamlindoro: | Cackette: No, not any more |
| [03:56:29] | iamlindoro: | Not since September |
| [03:56:29] | Cackette: | great |
| [03:56:32] | EnderTheThird: | Cackette: not anymore. announcement is on the mythtv frontpage. www.mythtv.org |
| [03:56:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | [ot] Go Pats! ;-) |
| [03:57:05] | EnderTheThird: | $20/year is nothing, and you get excellent listings for it, and it's painless to set up. I gladly pay $20/year for SD.org |
| [03:57:07] | iamlindoro: | I was worried for a bit |
| [03:57:30] | iamlindoro: | Was a great 3-point conversion before |
| [03:57:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | I paid $20 when it was just a 3-month sub... ;-) |
| [03:57:45] | EnderTheThird: | j-e-f-f-a: same here! |
| [03:57:49] | clever: | my sub got extended a few times as the price droped |
| [03:57:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | me too... |
| [03:58:04] | clever: | i think mine expires arround june |
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| [03:58:16] | ribatejo: | I am still trying to figure out if schedules direct is for me :9 |
| [03:58:18] | clever: | long ways away |
| [03:58:22] | EnderTheThird: | yeah, or maybe i i paid $15, because i think i'm good for 9 months |
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| [03:58:41] | EnderTheThird: | hell if i know, but worth it either way |
| [03:58:43] | clever: | you can use it for 7 days for free |
| [03:58:43] | clever: | to see if you like it |
| [03:58:51] | EnderTheThird: | i do wonder how many SD.org subscribers there are. |
| [03:58:59] | EnderTheThird: | or MythTV users in general |
| [03:59:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | My subscription expires in June... |
| [03:59:01] | iamlindoro: | I got the free gift extensions ;) |
| [03:59:16] | iamlindoro: | so it averages < $20/year for early adopters :) |
| [03:59:29] | EnderTheThird: | Sure sure, rain on our parade! |
| [03:59:33] | clever: | lol |
| [03:59:35] | ribatejo: | EnderTheThird: there are several winlows apps using SD too |
| [03:59:59] | ribatejo: | you might have more SD users than Myth users |
| [04:00:05] | GreyFoxx: | there are |
| [04:00:10] | EnderTheThird: | looking at SD.org's price, i don't know where Tivo gets off charing $15/mo. |
| [04:00:17] | GreyFoxx: | the vast majority are myth users but there are many non myth users too |
| [04:00:36] | GreyFoxx: | The numbers were gonna be published at one point, not sure what stage that is now |
| [04:00:36] | EnderTheThird: | and SD is US/CAN only. Lots of EU people using Myth |
| [04:00:36] | clever: | any posibility of stats being released? |
| [04:00:39] | ribatejo: | yes, I think the latest i tried was gotmedia i think in winslows |
| [04:00:47] | clever: | or is the contract too limited |
| [04:00:50] | justinh: | well, taking no chances with this plugin code. time to tar it up somewhere safely |
| [04:00:58] | GreyFoxx: | clever: I can;t remember |
| [04:01:05] | clever: | ah |
| [04:01:06] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: heh |
| [04:01:07] | EnderTheThird: | heh |
| [04:01:07] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Could you take a look at this real quick and make sure I did everything right? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4366 |
| [04:01:36] | EnderTheThird: | alright boys. i'm off work now. time to drive 1.5 hours and then add another mythtv user to our ranks |
| [04:01:38] | EnderTheThird: | :) |
| [04:01:43] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: I just followed the instructions in the old docs, though I had to remove the "set args -l myth.log -v record,channel,siparser" from gdbcommands to get everything to work right |
| [04:02:03] | Cackette: | do i have to close the frontend to go into mythtv-setup and put my schedules direct info |
| [04:02:08] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: what do you reckon? only shows one arrow on screen at a time. press select to change arrows. menu will bring up a menu to change the step amount, save settings & exit |
| [04:02:13] | clever: | ive mangled those gdbcommands to use on core dumps before |
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| [04:03:02] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: sounds good to me |
| [04:03:06] | Anduin: | Tanthrix: looks good to me |
| [04:03:26] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Go pats ;) |
| [04:03:27] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Huzzah! My first backtrace as gone right. |
| [04:03:33] | Tanthrix: | Anduin: Thanks for your help. |
| [04:03:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Yeah! ;-) |
| [04:03:46] | iamlindoro: | I'm less worried now |
| [04:03:52] | justinh: | I think I'll leave the popup menu code til tomorrow |
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| [04:06:25] | justinh: | this is exciting – I've (kind of) made a plugin! |
| [04:06:48] | clever: | ive made a basic kernel module before |
| [04:07:10] | clever: | which did nothing but blink a set of led's so that they counted in binary |
| [04:07:18] | justinh: | aye but I bet I've broken less working mytht boxes :P |
| [04:07:25] | clever: | lol |
| [04:07:37] | clever: | the number shoved into an io port basicaly shows up on 8 pins of the lpt port |
| [04:07:53] | clever: | x++ and shove x into the port on a timer and your done |
| [04:08:47] | ribatejo: | nite |
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| [04:13:21] | justinh: | don't suppose there's a quick & easy way to find out a theme image's dimensions is there? |
| [04:13:46] | Cackette: | i signed up for schedules direct, put my info into the back end, did mythfilldatabase, restarted the backend |
| [04:13:53] | Cackette: | and it still says unknown (unknown) |
| [04:14:01] | justinh: | looked for getsize but can't seem to find it in UIImageType |
| [04:14:31] | justinh: | ahh there's a getsize but it's only a bool |
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| [04:15:15] | justinh: | having to hard set the arrow images to whatever size isn't a big deal though |
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| [04:17:08] | justinh: | pity there's no way to draw an image flipped/mirrored though – could've re-used one arrow pic |
| [04:17:11] | Anduin: | justinh: GetSize |
| [04:17:34] | flynch: | hey folks, anyone got any scripts for tidying up & optimizing mysql... I've been running this instance of myth for almost 3 years & mysql is starting to become a bit of a drag on the system. |
| [04:17:37] | Anduin: | justinh: You can also GetImage and get the QPixmap |
| [04:17:43] | Cackette: | whats the deal w/ the listings |
| [04:18:04] | jams: | flynch- there is an optimize script in the contrib directory |
| [04:18:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cackette: What do you mean? |
| [04:18:16] | jams: | written in perl but it does seem to work |
| [04:18:52] | justinh: | Anduin: thanks. seems I still have a way to go reading code ;) |
| [04:18:54] | flynch: | yeah, I saw that a while ago, but IIRC it desn't clear out stale info in renamed & unused tables. |
| [04:19:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | The SVN version even has database maintence buttons on mythweb... ;-) |
| [04:19:12] | jams: | no it doesn't |
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| [04:19:29] | Cackette: | i signed up fo rhte listing, got them, filled the database, but it all still says unknown |
| [04:19:29] | jams: | J-e-f-f-A- what do the buttons do? |
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| [04:21:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | jams: In the Settings tab, there's a Database, button, then "Optimize Tables", "Repair Tables" and "Extended Check" buttons, along with a status of each table... |
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| [04:22:14] | flynch: | nice... looking forward to .21... I don't suppose anyone has an idea of when we might see a it released? |
| [04:22:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | [ot] WOHOO! The Pats did it! |
| [04:22:26] | Cackette: | anyone? |
| [04:22:32] | Cackette: | do i have to restart the backend? |
| [04:23:48] | Anduin: | justinh: QImage also has a mirror() function, though for theme images, well, it is no use then. |
| [04:24:21] | Anduin: | flynch: foolish people on the dev list mentioned March |
| [04:24:29] | justinh: | so arrow_ysize = m_arrowimage->GetSize()height(); should do it mefinks |
| [04:25:02] | Cackette: | hello... |
| [04:25:33] | Anduin: | Cackette: No, restarting the backend shouldn't be needed |
| [04:25:40] | justinh: | ah sod it, it's 4:25 am. I should go to bed |
| [04:25:49] | Cackette: | well, it all says unknown (unknown) |
| [04:27:26] | flynch: | Anduin: huh... its been so long that I'm almost considering moving up to svn... I've always been on the stable/fixes branch... how does svn look these days? are there any major issues? |
| [04:28:04] | Cackette: | hrmm, i ran mythfilldatabase again, still no luck |
| [04:30:01] | Anduin: | flynch: there are some UPnP stability issues currently, that said it is mostly stable |
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| [04:30:33] | Anduin: | justinh: You should keep sensible hours like gbee |
| [04:30:34] | flynch: | Anduin: thanks, I'm not too bothered about upnp so maybe its worth a look |
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| [05:30:54] | bsdfox_: | hey, I've got svn, I copied the sources over from an amd64 machine to i586 machine, make clean, svn up, ./configure --previous.. it shows x86_32 arch which is right but then I get an error running make of: make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/qt/3/lib64/libqt-mt.prl', needed by `Makefile'. Stop. |
| [05:31:11] | bsdfox_: | which seems to be looking for stuff only on an amd64 system... |
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| [05:33:40] | mzb: | make distclean? |
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| [05:34:31] | bsdfox_: | hmm yeah that looks like it is working |
| [05:34:36] | mzb: | btw bsdfox_: I've recently bought a Leadtek Winfast DTV1000T ... got it running in a domU without problems |
| [05:34:36] | bsdfox_: | what does distclean do? |
| [05:34:43] | mzb: | "very clean?" |
| [05:34:48] | bsdfox_: | hah ok |
| [05:34:50] | bsdfox_: | awesome |
| [05:35:18] | mzb: | spent the last couple of days moving files all over the place (got a 500GB drive as well:) |
| [05:35:22] | bsdfox_: | I'd love to just use my xen box with my tuners.. running them on a p2–450 right now, kinda sucks |
| [05:35:24] | mzb: | still working on it |
| [05:36:17] | mzb: | yeah, still using Kworld USB2 dvb tuner on p3–650 as main tuner ... hoping to get DTV1000 as main tuner later on ... but have used super-cheap coax out to server room, so reception is not as good |
| [05:36:33] | mzb: | rm -r recordings/* |
| [05:36:36] | bsdfox_: | my buddy is supposed to be giving me a celeron 2.4 which I've got a mobo for but I can't get a hold of him :P |
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| [05:36:46] | mzb: | *sigh* ... that's a nasty command to type ;) |
| [05:37:25] | mzb: | I've got one of those here ... might get around to a mobo for it one day (given to me as "squashed" cpu ;) |
| [05:37:30] | mzb: | celeronD ? |
| [05:37:42] | bsdfox_: | dunno, it's socket 478 |
| [05:37:49] | jamesd_: | debates buying a new amd 939 compatible motherboard for a 2.6ghz opteron cpu... or just get a bargain budget am2 motherboard with a cheap dual core cpu. |
| [05:38:07] | bsdfox_: | jamesd_: I'd just go AM2.. dual core and ddr2 is way cheaper |
| [05:38:11] | jamesd_: | i own the opteron cpu... |
| [05:38:27] | bsdfox_: | a 3600+ can be had for < $50 |
| [05:38:50] | jamesd_: | yeah... i just hate to see such a nice cpu sitting gathering dust... |
| [05:39:29] | bsdfox_: | I was using a 3200+ 939 for my backend but I needed the system for something else.. worked fine |
| [05:39:48] | bsdfox_: | if you've already got some ddr I bet you can get a half decent mobo for $50 |
| [05:39:59] | jamesd_: | i just bought a 5200+ going to use it for xen+zfs and media server... |
| [05:40:31] | mzb: | am2 also has sata2 (iirc) |
| [05:40:48] | mzb: | sata1 plugs falling out is a pita :| |
| [05:40:54] | bsdfox_: | you running opensolaris? |
| [05:40:57] | jamesd_: | yeap... 4x sata2 on board. and an amd radeon on my new system. |
| [05:41:20] | jamesd_: | bsdfox_, yes on the new box.. i also have another amd opteron box that runs linux fedora |
| [05:41:39] | bsdfox_: | I'm gonna move my dom0 over to opensolaris when I get a chance |
| [05:43:02] | jamesd_: | i just miss the lack of pci bus passthrough in opensolaris it would allow me to use myth tv and the new video input card i bought to together on the box. |
| [05:43:42] | mzb: | what's the advantage of solaris as dom0? |
| [05:44:03] | jamesd_: | ZFS, dtrace, rbac, more resource control..... to name a few |
| [05:44:20] | bsdfox_: | I want it for zfs :) |
| [05:44:47] | jamesd_: | cross bow, full virtualization of networking resources is going to rock... create virtual interfaces with one command and limit bandwidth all with simple commands. |
| [05:45:17] | mzb: | hmmm .... pciback sounds like too much of a loss |
| [05:45:35] | bsdfox_: | it doesn't do pci backend? |
| [05:45:41] | jamesd_: | they are working on it.. but its not a top priroity |
| [05:45:48] | bsdfox_: | bah |
| [05:47:51] | jamesd_: | yeah.. it hits the mythtv croud hard... the rest of the community really doesn't care that much.... |
| [05:49:22] | mzb: | even though I've backed up something like 200GB (over 100Mb) and checked it, I still hate deleting the originals (scary move!) |
| [05:50:06] | mzb: | ah well ... hopefully it will all pay off. Females in the house are both annoyed that the mythnet has been down :( |
| [05:50:22] | mzb: | the stress is getting to me ;) |
| [05:50:35] | mzb: | ah ... but I have beer! .... bbl ;) |
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| [05:52:07] | jamesd_: | waits for the last 2 500GB harddrives for my new server... and the video capture card that goes into my linux box... myth tv here i come... and 2TB of zfs raidz storage to hold shows and files :-D |
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| [05:52:36] | Cackette: | i need help w/ my listings |
| [05:52:39] | Cackette: | they arent showing up |
| [05:52:45] | Cackette: | just Unknown (Unknown) |
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| [05:55:39] | Cackette: | it seems when i go to video source, HD-5500, retreive lineup, then hit finish, it forgets |
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| [05:56:03] | Cackette: | because if i return back to HD-5500 after hitting finish, it says CA95034 or something, which isnt me |
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| [05:59:02] | Cackette: | wait, it just changes a little |
| [06:00:28] | Cackette: | it says Comcast Cable CA95043, then when i come back, it just says CA95043 |
| [06:03:13] | Cackette: | 2007-12–29 22:00:54.407 Did not find any new program data. |
| [06:04:40] | mzb: | jamesd_ + bsdfox_ : Linus Torvalds called ZFS one of the "very few bright spots" in Solaris. ... heh |
| [06:09:07] | jamesd_: | mzb, of course, linus torvalds doesn't beleve in debbugers and has said that linux development is based on the same theory as 10,000 monkeys on typewriters can reproduce the life work of shakespear if given enough time. |
| [06:09:22] | mzb: | :) |
| [06:11:01] | Cackette: | any help? |
| [06:19:10] | mzb: | sorry, I'm wrong country |
| [06:19:21] | mzb: | s/wrong/better ;)) |
| [06:23:31] | Cackette: | is there a way to check what version of mythtv i have? |
| [06:29:43] | mzb: | mythfrontend --version might help |
| [06:29:54] | mzb: | but your package manager will do a better job |
| [06:32:00] | Cackette: | how so |
| [06:32:11] | Cackette: | mythfrontend --version shows like nothing |
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| [06:42:14] | iamlindoro: | What a pain in the ASS |
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| [06:42:41] | Cackette: | whats up w/ mythtv going blank after i change theme |
| [06:43:14] | GreyFoxx: | Blank as in background only, but no text menus ? |
| [06:43:21] | GreyFoxx: | Sounds like missing fonts. |
| [06:43:49] | GreyFoxx: | There is some ms fontpack that a lot of people end up missing |
| [06:44:23] | Cackette: | like the background shows up, then the screen goes grey |
| [06:44:25] | iamlindoro: | msttcorefonts I think |
| [06:44:43] | GreyFoxx: | going Grey I don't know |
| [06:45:36] | Cackette: | like i have to hit Esc to close it |
| [06:46:00] | Cackette: | how do i set the default theme in the command line |
| [06:47:03] | GreyFoxx: | -O Theme=Themename |
| [06:47:05] | iamlindoro: | The same way you did two hours ago when we last had you do it |
| [06:48:02] | Cackette: | i dont have logs |
| [06:48:35] | Cackette: | whats the default theme called |
| [06:48:44] | rooaus: | Cackette: or a pen? ;) |
| [06:48:58] | Cackette: | didnt write it down |
| [06:48:59] | iamlindoro: | GANT, blue, etc... |
| [06:49:12] | GreyFoxx: | G.A.N.T or G.A.N.T. |
| [06:49:12] | Rebel52: | yo there |
| [06:49:19] | Rebel52: | GANTZ |
| [06:49:22] | Rebel52: | best anime eva! |
| [06:49:36] | Rebel52 is now known as The_Rebel | |
| [06:49:40] | Cackette: | ugh |
| [06:49:43] | Cackette: | its still doing it |
| [06:49:52] | Cackette: | i see the bakcground for like 1 sec then thes creen goes grey |
| [06:50:01] | The_Rebel: | anyone know a good (free/OS) NFS server for windows ? |
| [06:51:26] | rooaus: | The_Rebel: You could try "Services for UNIX" (SFU) or whatever it is called from microsoft, it is a free download. I haven't tried it so have no idea what it is like. |
| [06:51:50] | The_Rebel: | i was looking at that, but something was a miss |
| [06:52:18] | Cackette: | wtf is mythtv doing... |
| [06:52:27] | Cackette: | i see the background, the grey |
| [06:52:52] | Cackette: | then* |
| [06:53:55] | rooaus: | Cackette: try over riding the painter as well, force it to qt. Do you mscorefonts (or whatever) installed? |
| [06:54:08] | Cackette: | i dont think i have those |
| [06:54:13] | Cackette: | whats their full name |
| [06:54:26] | Cackette: | and what do i do to override the painter |
| [06:54:44] | rooaus: | what distro? |
| [06:54:51] | Cackette: | debian etch |
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| [06:56:03] | rooaus: | Try "apt-cache search -n corefont" |
| [06:56:20] | Cackette: | nothing |
| [06:58:32] | Cackette: | how do i set qt back? |
| [06:58:37] | rooaus: | using ubuntu gutsy here and it is called "msttcorefonts" |
| [06:59:16] | Cackette: | searching that turns up open office |
| [07:01:25] | rooaus: | It is in multiverse in ubuntu but don't know about debian. |
| [07:02:24] | iamlindoro: | It really might be a good idea to get mythbuntu and install that instead... it will take care of all of this for you... I'm not Sure Etch is the right distro for you |
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| [07:03:57] | iamlindoro: | Or... um... maybe not |
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| [07:15:11] | blackest: | iamlindoro i built the svn package but things are not looking good |
| [07:16:08] | blackest: | the backend seems to be running and so is mysql but it says it cant find a backend |
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| [07:21:27] | cecil: | blackest: run mythtv-setup and verify the IP of the backend |
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| [07:21:39] | cecil: | blackest: restart the backend and check the logs |
| [07:21:42] | Cackette: | how do i force mythtv to use the default theme and QT |
| [07:23:51] | blackest: | ok i have just rebooted it so see what happens |
| [07:27:17] | Cackette: | cecil, ? |
| [07:27:52] | cecil: | Cackette: if I know, I'd answer |
| [07:28:05] | cecil: | I however don't use MythTV in a window... |
| [07:28:35] | Cackette: | oh |
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| [07:33:24] | Cackette: | hey iamlindoro |
| [07:33:29] | Cackette: | do you know how? |
| [07:33:39] | Cackette: | i did change from QT to OpenGL |
| [07:34:32] | blackest: | mythbackend says Cannot login to database? |
| [07:34:55] | Cackette: | then your mysql username or password is wrong |
| [07:35:23] | iamlindoro_: | mythfrontend -O Themepainter=qt Theme=blue |
| [07:35:30] | blackest: | i wish it was |
| [07:37:35] | iamlindoro_: | *cough* wiki *cough* |
| [07:37:36] | Cackette: | that didnt work iamlindoro |
| [07:37:36] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Override_settings |
| [07:37:44] | Cackette: | it stayed the same theme and did the same thing |
| [07:38:04] | iamlindoro_: | k, good luck |
| [07:41:34] | Cackette: | ok, all i had to do was the QT, not the theme |
| [07:41:37] | Cackette: | i dont think they work together |
| [07:41:49] | Cackette: | but, i installed an OSD theme and it doesnt show |
| [07:41:51] | iamlindoro_: | They work fine together |
| [07:42:12] | bsdfox_: | grr, anyone had issues compiling svn complaining about audiooutput.o? |
| [07:42:26] | bsdfox_: | works fine on amd64 but fails on 2 x86 machines |
| [07:43:12] | Cackette: | how do i check what version of myth i have |
| [07:43:24] | Cackette: | i heard tons of people were having problems getting channel listings, just like me |
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| [07:43:32] | iamlindoro_: | mythbackend --version |
| [07:43:32] | GreyFoxx: | mythfrontend --version |
| [07:43:36] | Cackette: | lol |
| [07:43:41] | GreyFoxx: | both will work |
| [07:43:55] | GreyFoxx: | or if you installed from a package you can look at your package managers info |
| [07:44:10] | iamlindoro_: | It's almost without doubt that you have .20.2 |
| [07:44:22] | Cackette: | 0.20.20070821–1 |
| [07:44:30] | Cackette: | then why the heck cant i get channel listings |
| [07:44:32] | iamlindoro_: | That's the one |
| [07:44:47] | Cackette: | i run mythfilldatabase and it adds nada |
| [07:45:08] | GreyFoxx: | You've looked at the output of mythfilldatabase then? Does it spew errors? |
| [07:45:15] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette, probably because your channels are QAM and it often requires massaging |
| [07:45:18] | GreyFoxx: | Can you look at the program table and see anything ? |
| [07:45:32] | GreyFoxx: | ahhhh QAM setup can be a pain |
| [07:45:38] | iamlindoro_: | so go back to SD, pull up your lineup, and run the report function so that you can see XMLids |
| [07:45:40] | GreyFoxx: | you have to manually map xmltvid's to the channels |
| [07:45:40] | iamlindoro_: | print that |
| [07:45:46] | Cackette: | it just shows Unknown (Unknown) |
| [07:45:52] | iamlindoro_: | then go into mythweb or mythtv-setup and go to the channel editor |
| [07:45:58] | iamlindoro_: | and edit each channel to put its XMLid in |
| [07:46:02] | Cackette: | what |
| [07:46:04] | iamlindoro_: | then run mythfilldatabase |
| [07:46:08] | Cackette: | that sounds painful |
| [07:46:14] | iamlindoro_: | and I *guarantee* personally that it will work then |
| [07:46:33] | GreyFoxx: | It is the pain we suffer because of the limited info cableco's put n the wire to identify channels |
| [07:46:42] | GreyFoxx: | analog channels are simple |
| [07:46:50] | GreyFoxx: | but QAM can be just about anything |
| [07:47:10] | Cackette: | =/ |
| [07:47:32] | GreyFoxx: | myth has no way to know that scanned channel 100_1 is really channel "47" according to your program guide |
| [07:47:36] | GreyFoxx: | so you have to tell it |
| [07:47:38] | bsdfox_: | anyone know where to get mythtranscode from svn trunk? |
| [07:47:57] | Cackette: | i never would have imagined this much trouble to make everything nice before i got the idea to do this |
| [07:47:58] | iamlindoro_: | bsdfox_: Aside from the obvious? ;) |
| [07:48:03] | GreyFoxx: | we might eventually have something on SD t o track that stuff for users, but for the moment it's a manual process |
| [07:48:10] | bsdfox_: | I don't see it :\ |
| [07:48:36] | iamlindoro_: | erm... hmm. It's in mythtv proper, no? |
| [07:48:38] | ** GreyFoxx tries to figure out how to get the xbox360 to load movieposters ** | |
| [07:48:55] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Any commits tonight? |
| [07:49:04] | bsdfox_: | iamlindoro: yes I am blind |
| [07:49:12] | bsdfox_: | it's in programs/mythtranscode |
| [07:49:17] | Cackette: | http://pastebin.org/13432 |
| [07:49:18] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: yupa few including the 360 video streaming earlier |
| [07:49:41] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: Normal behavior for QAM |
| [07:49:50] | iamlindoro_: | Do as I told you to make it work |
| [07:49:59] | GreyFoxx: | now I'm comparing packetdumps of upnp grabs from WMP to see if I can get the 360 to load movie posters from myth too |
| [07:50:13] | GreyFoxx: | then I'll move on to getting music working properly |
| [07:50:16] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Nice, I'll update tomorrow and give it a spin |
| [07:50:35] | GreyFoxx: | http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/15257 |
| [07:50:51] | Cackette: | how hard is it to do that iamlindoro_ ? |
| [07:51:08] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: No recordings/mpeg files nor does the 360 support divx3 |
| [07:51:08] | iamlindoro_: | Simple, just, dependin on how many channels there are, tedious |
| [07:51:21] | Cackette: | like 6–7 QAM channels |
| [07:51:33] | GreyFoxx: | the 360 refuses to play mpeg2 via the videoplayer, only through the "media extentor" bit |
| [07:51:39] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Well, I can live with that... It's on the same pillar as the mythbox so no real need to use it to play :) |
| [07:51:49] | iamlindoro_: | Cackette: Simple, could be done in five minutes |
| [07:52:05] | iamlindoro_: | Now do as I said above, because you could have been done by now instead of bitching about it |
| [07:52:48] | Cackette: | i'm looking into it |
| [07:53:53] | iamlindoro_: | bsdfox_: Still same error, huh? Built okay for me yesterday. Strange |
| [07:54:20] | bsdfox_: | iamlindoro: builds fine on my amd64 box, fails on x86 |
| [07:54:50] | Cackette: | wheres the report function, iamlindoro_ |
| [07:54:52] | bsdfox_: | 0.21_pre15014 works fine on x86 |
| [07:55:00] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm... okay, both of my systems are core Duo/Quads running 64 bit |
| [07:55:07] | Cackette: | nvm |
| [07:55:09] | Cackette: | found it |
| [07:55:11] | iamlindoro_: | On the page that lists your lineups... |
| [07:55:36] | Cackette: | since SD doesnt list 3–1 and such, what do i do |
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| [07:55:49] | bsdfox_: | iamlindoro: http://rafb.net/p/56elYv46.html |
| [07:55:59] | bsdfox_: | complains about missing files |
| [07:56:17] | iamlindoro_: | Well you know what NBC is, I assume... figure out which QAM channel NBC is, add the right XMLID, continue as necessary |
| [07:56:34] | Cackette: | how do i figure out which QAM channel it is? |
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| [07:56:54] | iamlindoro_: | By tuning to it in myth and going, "Hey, this is NBC??" |
| [07:57:08] | iamlindoro_: | And writing it down? |
| [07:57:37] | Cackette: | so 3–1 = QAM channel |
| [07:57:48] | iamlindoro_: | Anything you scanned is a qam channel |
| [07:58:07] | iamlindoro_: | let's say you tune 3–1... and you see that it's nbc |
| [07:58:16] | iamlindoro_: | so write, on a piece of paper, 3–1 = NBC |
| [07:58:23] | iamlindoro_: | now look at the report |
| [07:58:32] | iamlindoro_: | find the nbc station, and look at it's xmlid |
| [07:58:35] | iamlindoro_: | 12345 |
| [07:58:52] | iamlindoro_: | now write THAT next to 3–1 = NBC = 12345 |
| [07:58:57] | iamlindoro_: | Meet me halfway, here |
| [07:59:16] | Cackette: | i got that part |
| [07:59:22] | Cackette: | where do i put all the xmlids |
| [07:59:30] | iamlindoro_: | Channel editor |
| [07:59:35] | iamlindoro_: | edit the channel |
| [07:59:39] | iamlindoro_: | put it in the xmlid box |
| [07:59:49] | iamlindoro_: | like I said ~150 or so lines ago |
| [07:59:56] | ** iamlindoro_ dies a little inside ** | |
| [08:00:56] | Cackette: | well, for these channels it already has the IDs correct |
| [08:01:01] | ** jhatch has sympathy for anyone using QAM... ** | |
| [08:01:01] | Cackette: | but no listing |
| [08:01:26] | Cackette: | on 3–1 it has 20451 just like the report says |
| [08:01:30] | mzb: | oh dear ... my master plan is coming unstuck ... among other things, I'm trying to move the master backend. I've got it running properly, but can't get a remote frontend to connect to it. Any suggestions? |
| [08:02:34] | bsdfox_: | mzb what's the error |
| [08:02:35] | jhatch: | mzb, check your network settings in mythtv-setup on the backend and make sure all addresses point to the real IP address of the machine, not loopback. |
| [08:02:47] | mzb: | they do |
| [08:03:16] | mzb: | error is that frontend can't find a backend to connect to |
| [08:03:28] | mzb: | (all the machines have a backend) |
| [08:03:45] | jhatch: | mzb, what version are you running? |
| [08:03:47] | mzb: | and all are set to use the (new) master backend |
| [08:03:53] | mzb: | svn multirec |
| [08:04:26] | Cackette: | hey, it works now |
| [08:04:39] | jhatch: | is mysql setup to accept remote connections? |
| [08:04:44] | Cackette: | changed from comcast cable to local tv listings |
| [08:04:47] | bsdfox_: | mythcontext.h:9:22: error: qptrlist.h: No such file or directory I keep getting errors like that, but every file does exist in /usr/qt/3/include/ .. any ideas? |
| [08:04:57] | bsdfox_: | same file exists in the same spot on amd64 and works fine |
| [08:05:21] | mzb: | jhatch: I have (had) a working setup ... the sqlserver is remote (a seperate vm) |
| [08:05:59] | mzb: | and as I implied earlier ... mythtv-setup works and modifies the sql db |
| [08:06:12] | iamlindoro_: | bsdfox_: I don't mean to insult.. have you tried a fresh checkout? |
| [08:06:33] | bsdfox_: | iamlindoro: yeah |
| [08:06:39] | mzb: | I have deleted all tuners, and allocated only one for the BE |
| [08:07:27] | mzb: | starting a slave BE on this host (workstation) I get: 2007-12–30 19:06:56.464 Connecting to master server: 192.168.253.59:6543 |
| [08:07:40] | mzb: | (successfully) |
| [08:07:48] | mzb: | but FE won't play the same game |
| [08:07:53] | jhatch: | So it's the frontend that can't find the backend? |
| [08:07:57] | jhatch: | ah |
| [08:08:38] | jhatch: | I had this problem too, while running the frontend on the same machine even... unfortunately it just started working again... I don't know what I did to solve it. |
| [08:12:35] | mzb: | fiddling with config.xml doesn't work, including changind the uuid, or even moving the file |
| [08:14:39] | mzb: | ok ... time to do a bit of flushing :) |
| [08:15:26] | mzb: | maybe |
| [08:17:02] | amrit|bbl is now known as amrit|zzz | |
| [08:19:13] | jhatch: | I'm going to convert to a dedicated backend as soon as I can wire a cable to my HTPC and get it off the wireless bridge it's on. Hopefully I won't run into that problem again but I probably will... |
| [08:19:59] | mzb: | doh! |
| [08:20:17] | mzb: | suddenly realised I've still got an old mythfrontend running :| |
| [08:22:55] | jhatch: | Ah |
| [08:25:26] | Cackette: | is there a listing of the keyboard hotkeys to do different stuff in Live TV |
| [08:27:30] | Cackette: | found it |
| [08:27:31] | mzb: | Cackette: google "mythtv keybindings" |
| [08:28:06] | mzb: | nope ... wasn't the problem either ... still no connection (it _is_ in a different subnet which may not help) |
| [08:28:40] | Cackette: | why do i have to make it 4:3 zoom to look like a 16:9 would look on regular TV |
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| [08:36:12] | Cackette: | ahh wtf |
| [08:36:16] | Cackette: | the program guide froze |
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| [08:41:54] | mzb: | any way to disable this upnp stuff, so that I can just TELL it where the backend is? Seems idiotic and over complicated ... oh hang on ... that's me ;) |
| [08:43:55] | FusionHDTV: | hi folks. I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction...I'm running Ubuntu 7.10 and just installed and configured MythTV. I'm running a DVICO FusionHDTV Dual Express tuner card and have it working – able to watch TV through xine and mplayer. Whenever selecting Wath TV the screen goes black, then I'm returned to the Ubuntu login screen. After logging in again it appears the X session has completely restarted. I've tried |
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| [08:46:35] | Cackette: | where do OSD themes go? |
| [08:46:45] | Cackette: | i put one in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/ but its not selectable |
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| [08:49:17] | iamlindoro_: | mzb: -d I believe |
| [08:49:26] | iamlindoro_: | turns off autodiscovery |
| [08:49:51] | mzb: | thanks |
| [08:49:56] | iamlindoro_: | np |
| [08:50:21] | mzb: | nope ... but gives me ideas, thanks anyway |
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| [08:50:31] | iamlindoro_: | There's also another one |
| [08:50:31] | mzb: | err ... hang on |
| [08:50:41] | iamlindoro_: | --noupnp I think |
| [08:50:51] | mzb: | ah |
| [08:50:59] | iamlindoro_: | That's no upnp whatsoever |
| [08:51:05] | mzb: | ok, very helpful, thanks |
| [08:51:22] | iamlindoro_: | np |
| [08:53:32] | mzb: | nah .... run out of time .... going to have woman bitching at me for another 24hrs :( |
| [08:55:43] | mzb: | nope doesn't like --noupnp |
| [08:56:10] | mzb: | that's from fixes only afaict |
| [08:59:10] | mzb: | nope, haven't got the patience to deal with this now ... what a shame |
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| [09:13:01] | Cackette: | Is there a working weather plugin? |
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| [09:30:17] | Cackette: | shit guys |
| [09:30:25] | Cackette: | i screwed up my info center w/ myth apple trailers |
| [09:30:34] | Cackette: | now when i go to information center, the frontend crashes |
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| [09:42:03] | mufasa_nb: | groupsock/Groupsock.cpp:30:21: error: strstream: No such file or directory <--- one else had this error compiling mythtv 0.20.2 ? |
| [09:45:24] | nuonguy: | anyone using a hauppage pvr 1800? |
| [09:45:47] | nuonguy: | it requires the cx28835 driver, it see,s |
| [09:46:12] | nuonguy: | mythtv doesn't detect it though, it detects a hvr 950, which doesn't seem to work |
| [09:50:47] | mufasa_nb: | same error in svn-mythtv |
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| [10:53:43] | olsta: | morning |
| [10:54:10] | olsta: | if i record a movie from tv it will work fine, but at the recorded movie is not a seektable |
| [10:54:12] | olsta: | why? |
| [10:54:27] | olsta: | has not a seektable |
| [10:54:32] | olsta: | i cant cut the movie |
| [10:59:06] | frahi: | it lacks an index |
| [10:59:17] | frahi: | this can be generated by a conversion |
| [11:00:04] | frahi: | but I'm not familiar how to envoke this or how to configure mythtv to do this from the beginning for you, sorry |
| [11:01:51] | olsta: | k |
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| [11:07:09] | lupin_sansei: | hello, I'm trying to work out why my Live TV is jerky. (Recordings when played back are fine). Where is the place that the ringbuffer stores everything during live tv? |
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| [11:07:22] | olsta: | where can i found this script? optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [11:07:49] | justinh: | same place recordings are stored, lupin_sansei. I expect you don't have enough CPU power to encode TV in software and play it back at the same time |
| [11:08:19] | lupin_sansei: | justinh: I just upgraded to the latest version today. It was okay on the previous one |
| [11:10:38] | lupin_sansei: | justinh: ... unless the CPU usage has increased in the latest version |
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| [11:15:33] | lupin_sansei: | What do they mean here when they refer to "/cache"? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2003 . . . /025023.html |
| [11:17:48] | mzb_d800: | lupin_sansei: check realtime priority setup, and xvmc |
| [11:21:38] | lupin_sansei: | mzb_d800: it's currently set to "standard" |
| [11:22:27] | mzb_d800: | I said "check" ... judging from your response I suggest you look at the wiki for those items |
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| [11:29:12] | lupin_sansei: | I think I tried every combination of xvmc, priority etc |
| [11:30:20] | justinh: | xvmc is only good for mpeg2 remember |
| [11:30:30] | lupin_sansei: | yes it's mpeg2 (DVB) |
| [11:30:57] | lupin_sansei: | I wonder if I should go back to an older version? |
| [11:32:42] | mzb_d800: | let me change "check" to ENSURE! :) |
| [11:33:07] | lupin_sansei: | Yes I read the wiki page on it. Didn't help me though |
| [11:33:26] | lupin_sansei: | Did I miss something on it? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC |
| [11:33:26] | mzb_d800: | then go to google and find out? |
| [11:33:34] | lupin_sansei: | Find out what sorry? |
| [11:33:50] | mzb_d800: | ie. how to find out if both of those are working correctly |
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| [12:45:42] | awilkins: | anyone else noticed their mythfilldatabase only runs up to the end of the year? |
| [12:45:53] | awilkins: | Or is it just me / the Radio Times ? |
| [12:51:22] | awilkins: | meh, tis the Radio Times XMLTV site |
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| [12:58:01] | jamesd_: | how does mythtv do when the data files are stored on nfs |
| [12:58:30] | gbee: | just fine, cifs is another matter altogether |
| [12:58:50] | jamesd_: | cool |
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| [13:03:53] | max_: | hello all |
| [13:04:35] | ** awilkins waves a christmas pudding sandwich ** | |
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| [13:10:06] | bahadunn: | does mythtv support things like gyro mice or remotes? |
| [13:10:42] | max_: | I have an problem with the frontend I cannot understand. on the server the backend and the frontend running perfect. TV and recording are no problem. On a client also all works quite good till I changed the IP of the server. I have corrected the IP-Adress with mythtv-setup and changed also all other positions. Now on the client with only mythfrontend Live-TV works, but recorded videos where not shown on display. have anyone |
| [13:10:43] | max_: | an idea to solve this problem? thx for help |
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| [13:22:07] | awilkins: | bahadunn: MythTV is not set up to use pointer devices. Most remote support is through LIRC or through input device drivers for the specific remote. |
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| [13:24:19] | bahadunn: | awilkins: so people usually use keyboards with their media center system? |
| [13:24:57] | awilkins: | bahadunn: I don't, I use the remote that came with my TV card |
| [13:25:27] | awilkins: | Some things can get a little annoying, but that's what laptops and SSH are for |
| [13:25:38] | bahadunn: | awilkins: what do you do if you have to type in something like in a search box? |
| [13:25:58] | awilkins: | I don't usually use those features ; I use mythweb for doing searches |
| [13:26:21] | bahadunn: | ah okay |
| [13:26:24] | awilkins: | There's also a simple input method for remotes which is on by default |
| [13:26:39] | awilkins: | It's slow but it works (just) |
| [13:26:44] | bahadunn: | I got a gyro mouse I wanted to use as my remote |
| [13:26:51] | bahadunn: | but not sure if it will work or not |
| [13:27:38] | awilkins: | It's not really geared up for pointer devices ; even if you have one, a lot of the controls don't respond to mouse clicks |
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| [13:28:07] | awilkins: | You can get to most of the features with the directional arrows, ok, and exit |
| [13:28:36] | bahadunn: | hhmmm |
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| [13:30:10] | gandalfcome: | is there a good overview of cheap frontends on a site somewhere? I had a look at xbox (was too slow and the xbmc implementation one year ago was not very good). I had a look at s100/zenega box and zenslack (this was also very laggy and not stable). A normal pc works just fine but would cost a lot too deploy. Can anyone recommend a decently sized (processor and ram) frontend system or a site where I can find an overview ? thanks in a |
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| [13:35:15] | max_: | gandalfcome: I just look also to s100, but I think about to use the ltsp-project because the performance of the s100 for just a terminal session is quite fine I think |
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| [13:37:52] | christine_: | Hello :-) |
| [13:38:13] | christine_: | Can anyone help me with getting the audio of a saa7134 based card to work? |
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| [14:05:58] | linxeh: | hi – is a pentium 4 2.8ghz good enough for a backend with 3/4 dvb-t cards ? |
| [14:07:22] | laga: | yes |
| [14:07:27] | laga: | should be good enough :) |
| [14:07:32] | linxeh: | ok :) |
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| [14:08:08] | linxeh: | I was going to use an amd 3500+ that I've got, but the motherboard doesnt fit quite right in the case I'm using – I can't put any hard drives in because the RAM + mobo power connector get in the way |
| [14:08:09] | linxeh: | doh |
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| [14:08:39] | linxeh: | would the 3500+ be much better? I guess it probably would :o |
| [14:11:11] | xand: | I have a P4 2.4GHz with 3 dvb-t tuners |
| [14:11:14] | xand: | works fine |
| [14:12:00] | xand: | dvb doesn't take much to record |
| [14:12:40] | linxeh: | yeah, its only a few mbit/sec, and you record the stream directly dont you |
| [14:13:38] | xand: | yes |
| [14:14:45] | linxeh: | at the moment I've got a single Nova-t pci (connexant cx23880) card in the machine. I was going to order a couple more cards – should I get the nova-t pci again, or are there better alternatives? |
| [14:15:12] | linxeh: | sorry this is a bit like 20 questions :o |
| [14:15:30] | xand: | I have that card |
| [14:15:45] | xand: | and the nova-t 500 which has dual tuners |
| [14:16:11] | xand: | http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklin . . . igationKey=0 |
| [14:16:28] | linxeh: | yeah, seen that on scan/ebuyer |
| [14:16:54] | linxeh: | that saves on pci slots I guess :) |
| [14:17:01] | xand: | yeah |
| [14:17:24] | linxeh: | is it possible to record the whole multiplex with the twin card? |
| [14:18:02] | xand: | not yet |
| [14:18:18] | xand: | you should be able to with a single one, soon |
| [14:18:32] | xand: | damn, I'm going to run out of tv listing data tomorrow :( |
| [14:19:50] | justinh: | they go back to work tomorrow apparently, xand |
| [14:20:11] | xand: | lol, so it's because the bbc are on holiday |
| [14:20:13] | linxeh: | xand: is it possible with the card though? |
| [14:20:24] | linxeh: | (ignoring mythtv's capability for the moment) |
| [14:21:01] | xand: | the nova-t non-500 lets me watch multiple channels on the same multiplex using non-mythtv stuff |
| [14:21:36] | xand: | I could stream it using dvbstream and then watch different channels with different instances of VLC |
| [14:21:39] | linxeh: | yeah |
| [14:21:55] | linxeh: | just wondering whether that is possible with the 500 |
| [14:22:02] | xand: | don't know, hope so |
| [14:22:02] | linxeh: | (in theory) |
| [14:22:23] | linxeh: | as with 4 tuners you could probably cover pretty much every channel simultaneously with that kind of capability |
| [14:23:10] | xand: | 6 |
| [14:23:27] | linxeh: | well, yeah |
| [14:23:32] | linxeh: | but who wants most of those ;-) |
| [14:23:47] | justinh: | in the UK you could cover every channel worth watching with 4 tuners or less |
| [14:23:57] | ** xand needs more harddisks more than he needs more tuners atm ** | |
| [14:24:05] | justinh: | less if you don't like ITV |
| [14:24:07] | linxeh: | that was what I meant |
| [14:24:31] | justinh: | well I've come so far without too much help. might have to put my hand up in a minute |
| [14:24:37] | linxeh: | I only really watch bbc three, uktv history, E4, and odd on the main 4 channels |
| [14:24:49] | justinh: | got an inheritance problem in me code |
| [14:24:55] | linxeh: | might go and get one of those 500 cards |
| [14:25:52] | xand: | I'm watching too much 5 US, which has too many bloody adverts |
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| [14:25:59] | xand: | and so does virgin 1 |
| [14:26:16] | xand: | and they're all crap annoying ones |
| [14:27:17] | justinh: | when I was at the inlaws xmas eve & the day before it felt like water torture. "NOW AT DFS!.. ". ARGHHH! |
| [14:27:21] | justinh: | they live on ITV |
| [14:28:10] | xand: | it worries me that these adverts must appearl to some people ;) |
| [14:28:25] | justinh: | see em enough times, you'll submit to their will |
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| [14:28:33] | justinh: | if you don't kill yourself first |
| [14:30:17] | christine_: | anyone here with a saa7134 based card? |
| [14:30:33] | ** justinh doesn't believe in framegrabbers, sorry ** | |
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| [14:43:36] | linxeh: | sorry, battery went flat :) |
| [14:47:22] | linxeh: | xand: is it safe to daisychain from the nova-t into the 500 ? |
| [14:47:51] | justinh: | linxeh: don't split an aerial feed more than once without amplifying it |
| [14:48:06] | justinh: | I have a really strong signal which is enough to feed 2 cards but not 3 |
| [14:48:53] | linxeh: | justinh: I've already got a nice masthead amp on there :) |
| [14:49:05] | justinh: | even so |
| [14:49:20] | justinh: | it affects the overall impedance of the setup |
| [14:49:41] | justinh: | an amp with individual outputs is always the best way to go |
| [14:50:04] | linxeh: | there is a masthead amp, and then that feeds an amplified splitter |
| [14:50:52] | linxeh: | I've got a decent gain aerial outside, but unfortunately I have to point it directly into GCHQ |
| [14:51:03] | xand: | linxeh: dunno, i use a 2-way booster |
| [14:51:16] | linxeh: | xand: ok :) |
| [14:51:29] | linxeh: | there are two versions of the nova-t 500 :o |
| [14:51:32] | xand: | freeview reception here is crap |
| [14:51:46] | linxeh: | 0289 and 036 it seems |
| [14:51:57] | xand: | it's fine with booster, but without I get nothing most of the time |
| [14:52:07] | xand: | yes, there's a version that doesn't work with linux :| |
| [14:52:14] | linxeh: | oh |
| [14:52:17] | linxeh: | I assume thats the new one ? |
| [14:52:22] | linxeh: | is yours the yellow boxed one ? |
| [14:52:25] | xand: | yes |
| [14:52:28] | justinh: | nova td-500 no worky, and likely never will worky |
| [14:53:08] | linxeh: | I was going to pop down to PCWorld and buy one now |
| [14:53:24] | justinh: | if it has 2 aerial sockets on the card, don't get it |
| [14:53:43] | xand: | pc world? don't do it! :P |
| [14:54:01] | linxeh: | xand: well it works out to 5 quid more than dabs, but then I have to add postage :o |
| [14:54:25] | linxeh: | and I'm going past pcworld to get to sainsburys anyway |
| [14:54:28] | xand: | not too bad then |
| [14:54:39] | linxeh: | I dont normally buy from pcworld :) |
| [14:55:52] | justinh: | oo nooo not the supermarket! it's the end of the world dontcha know! |
| [14:56:07] | justinh: | oh PLEASE work now, menu |
| [14:56:21] | linxeh: | hehe |
| [14:56:29] | xand: | bah, too much washing up to do |
| [14:56:30] | justinh: | Nooooooooooooooooooooo :( |
| [14:57:02] | justinh: | this has got to be a schoolboy C++ error. can't be anything else |
| [14:57:08] | justinh: | I'm so close |
| [15:00:38] | linxeh: | ok I'll go look and see :o |
| [15:00:51] | linxeh: | http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/pcw_pa . . . page=Product |
| [15:00:56] | linxeh: | (if that works I'll eat my hat) |
| [15:01:00] | linxeh: | thats the one they say they have in stock |
| [15:01:16] | justinh: | wow that's cheap |
| [15:01:24] | justinh: | for them I mean |
| [15:01:28] | linxeh: | yeah |
| [15:01:37] | linxeh: | some of their stuff is priced ok, it's just being there at the right time |
| [15:02:06] | justinh: | "you'll also need – the tech guys home installation service @ £49.99" ROFLMAO |
| [15:02:22] | linxeh: | heh |
| [15:02:31] | linxeh: | well it would be worth paying that to see them get it working in linux |
| [15:02:45] | justinh: | * real OS not supported at this time |
| [15:02:50] | linxeh: | ehe |
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| [15:04:04] | jarle: | How is it possible that a channel can have a chanid but no channum? |
| [15:04:42] | jarle: | (Trying to organize my 3000+ channels...) |
| [15:07:25] | linxeh: | lol 3000 channels :) |
| [15:07:31] | linxeh: | dvb-s ? |
| [15:07:39] | ][eBerg: | do you watch them all at the same time? |
| [15:07:59] | ][eBerg: | cuz that would have to be one hell of an insect eye you have |
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| [15:09:11] | justinh: | hahaha new Peter Kay show axed due to rows |
| [15:09:55] | jarle: | linxeh: dvb-s yes, and this is mostly FTA and TV-only channels.. |
| [15:09:57] | justinh: | I have only 2 words to say about that. Garlic. Bread |
| [15:10:35] | ][eBerg: | is it better to use a mythTV fron end on a classic xbox or just archive the stuff in a shared folder and use XBMC? I've never used MythTV on the xbox so I dont know how well it works. |
| [15:10:53] | Fubarovic: | is mythtv useful if i just want to have my linux box show mutltimedia content on my tv / radio. stuff like .avi, .mp3, ... i'm not going to use a tunercard to watch tv through it |
| [15:11:29] | justinh: | Fubarovic: no |
| [15:11:44] | ][eBerg: | Fubarovic: yes, it will let you but there are easier solutions that take much less configuring |
| [15:11:44] | justinh: | ][eBerg: XBMC isn't much more than a file browser |
| [15:11:54] | Fubarovic: | oh ok |
| [15:12:00] | Fubarovic: | there's one, but i can't remember its name :D |
| [15:12:14] | Fubarovic: | freevo ? |
| [15:12:17] | ][eBerg: | justinh: yea I know that I just wanst sure how well the front end ran on the xbox |
| [15:12:38] | justinh: | ][eBerg: XBMC is better than mythfrontend on the xbox with its tiddly amount of RAM :P |
| [15:12:44] | Fubarovic: | so mythtv is only really useful when you have at least one tuner card in your pc? |
| [15:12:55] | ][eBerg: | Fubarovic: or just set up X with a TV out and use VLC |
| [15:13:02] | justinh: | Fubarovic: that's um... why it's umm.. called myth _TV_ |
| [15:13:24] | justinh: | its core competence is TV related stuff |
| [15:13:51] | justinh: | TV == television, not TorrentVision btw |
| [15:13:59] | ][eBerg: | is anyone here running a DTV tuner with myth? |
| [15:14:08] | Fubarovic: | see, that's why i was confused, justinh |
| [15:14:14] | ][eBerg: | *DirecTV |
| [15:15:09] | imperfect-: | Has anyone really given a lot of thought to the digital transistion? |
| [15:15:28] | imperfect-: | Will there be cards for Digital like the Hauppage analog series? |
| [15:15:29] | jarle: | Fubarovic: If you don't need the TV functionality, have a look at http://elisa.fluendo.com/ |
| [15:16:03] | justinh: | then get your wallet out |
| [15:16:38] | ][eBerg: | imperfect-: yes there will be cards that take a cable card, as far as satellite goes it's unlikely things will change much from what they are now |
| [15:17:11] | imperfect-: | ][eBerg: Yeah I have comcast... I'm not interested in having 4 set-top boxes sitting next to my mythbox with ir blasters |
| [15:17:37] | imperfect-: | I assume the sat stuff is using 1394 for the most part? |
| [15:17:48] | ][eBerg: | imperfect-: http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/08/pictures-o . . . cable-tuner/ |
| [15:18:12] | ][eBerg: | the cable companies are forcin ATI and 2 other companies to not release those yet |
| [15:18:26] | ][eBerg: | in reality they are fighting hard to get them baned |
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| [15:18:59] | ][eBerg: | the FCC is easy to buy if you are a big cable company |
| [15:19:26] | imperfect-: | lame |
| [15:19:52] | ][eBerg: | welcome to capitolism |
| [15:20:43] | ][eBerg: | it's too bad NVidia isn't also making a card, Im sure were all familiar with how horrible ATI's linux support is |
| [15:23:31] | imperfect-: | well |
| [15:23:41] | imperfect-: | I could probably live with comcast boxes if I could firewire 'em up |
| [15:24:13] | ][eBerg: | can you read japanese? |
| [15:24:23] | ][eBerg: | and maderin? |
| [15:25:41] | ][eBerg: | there are boxes that allow you to do that that are drop in replacements for SA tuners |
| [15:25:56] | ][eBerg: | but you pretty much have to know some asian languages to find them |
| [15:27:00] | ][eBerg: | Not sure how that will work when they go full digital and the reciver is requird to have a DOCSIS ID, I imagine that will be cloanable |
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| [15:46:45] | Hausberg: | I have some recordings where I have marked the cutpoints – however, now that I tried to record them with mytharchive it ignored the cutlist |
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| [16:24:39] | squish102: | does nuvexport allow lossless mpeg2 transcoding? |
| [16:24:55] | squish102: | is that the dvd option i wonder? |
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| [17:06:30] | FinnTux: | TeletextDecoder: No Teletext Viewer defined! <- last messages before backend crash. any idea what might cause it? |
| [17:10:54] | JohnQ: | Anyone know any good ways of turning on the mythtv via a remote? (The machine itself... which runs the frontend and backend) |
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| [17:15:02] | Dibblah: | JohnQ: What's your remote control? |
| [17:15:13] | Dibblah: | If it's mce, it's moderately easy. |
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| [17:15:41] | JohnQ: | Its lirc serial.. but I am open to other possibilities :-) |
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| [17:16:03] | JohnQ: | mce? |
| [17:16:13] | justinh: | JohnQ: as in MCE remote controls & receivers |
| [17:16:23] | JohnQ: | Not familiar with them. |
| [17:16:35] | JohnQ: | What aspect of them makes it easy? |
| [17:16:38] | justinh: | as in Windows MCE remotes... |
| [17:18:21] | JohnQ: | Oh.. that media center crap? |
| [17:19:50] | justinh: | the remotes made for windows MCE which fortunately work well in linux :) |
| [17:20:29] | JohnQ: | Ya.. But I would rather have cancer than a "windows" button on my remote. |
| [17:21:20] | xand: | sounds harsh |
| [17:21:34] | JohnQ: | Although... I guess all I need is the receiver.. I could toss the remote itself into the nearest fire. |
| [17:21:34] | justinh: | so there go your easy options to get a remote controlled power button |
| [17:22:17] | JohnQ: | Theyre USB, yes? |
| [17:22:51] | justinh: | yup |
| [17:23:00] | xand: | you could connect a long wire between your power button and motherboard. |
| [17:23:14] | justinh: | other remotes & USB receivers are available but in linux YMMV |
| [17:24:02] | Dibblah: | JohnQ: Actually, you bloody well wouldn't. |
| [17:24:22] | JohnQ: | Im wondering if I could just use the USB receiver from one of those MCE remotes, and use my existing hauppauge remote to drive it. lirc_serial at least lets you set it up for any remote. Not sure if the mce driver would also let me do that though. |
| [17:24:42] | justinh: | JohnQ: probably not, it's more a limitation of the micro inside the receiver |
| [17:24:56] | Dibblah: | JohnQ: The MCE allows you to wake from suspend to disk/RAM. |
| [17:24:59] | justinh: | you could program a decent universal remote to replace it though |
| [17:25:10] | Dibblah: | And yes, you could use any RC6 remote. |
| [17:25:31] | Dibblah: | But the MCE remote is actually really nice. |
| [17:25:41] | JohnQ: | Dibblah: Ahh cool... maybe this will be a viable solution then. |
| [17:26:00] | JohnQ: | Actually,... I dont suspend to disk or ram, I completely shut down. |
| [17:26:03] | Dibblah: | And the Windows sticker is removable, if you don't mind a certain amount of disassembly. |
| [17:26:10] | Dibblah: | I can recommend STR. |
| [17:26:25] | Dibblah: | "Boot" time on the order of 3 seconds. |
| [17:26:32] | justinh: | when I get round to building me own kernel again I'll do STR |
| [17:26:35] | Dibblah: | 4w power consumption. |
| [17:28:17] | ** Dibblah hates RC5x. ** | |
| [17:28:32] | JohnQ: | Im wondering if the MCE reciever would also let me power on from shutdown. the machine is apparently "slightly" awake.. wake from lan, and wake on timer work. |
| [17:28:33] | Dibblah: | LIRC doesn't support it natively. |
| [17:29:05] | JohnQ: | I think all my remotes are RC6 |
| [17:29:05] | Dibblah: | JohnQ: Depends on your motherboard. |
| [17:29:19] | Dibblah: | Device S-state Status Sysfs nodePCI0 S5 disabled no-bus:pci0000:00 |
| [17:29:28] | Dibblah: | USB0 S3 enabled pci:0000:00:1d.0 |
| [17:29:36] | Dibblah: | ie USB will only wake for S3. |
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| [17:29:59] | JohnQ: | Im assuming that's a file in proc somewhere? Which one? |
| [17:30:09] | Dibblah: | /proc/acpi/wakeup |
| [17:30:53] | JohnQ: | Interesting. Mine looks different. |
| [17:31:14] | Dibblah: | You need a few options in the kernel. |
| [17:31:26] | JohnQ: | USB is listed as sleep state "4", but is disabled. |
| [17:31:34] | Dibblah: | ACPI / Power management needs enabled. |
| [17:31:44] | Dibblah: | Ah, right. |
| [17:31:57] | Dibblah: | echo USB0 >/proc/acpi/wakeup |
| [17:32:21] | Dibblah: | Unfortunately, that doesn't help you much. |
| [17:32:27] | Dibblah: | S4 is unused in Linux. |
| [17:32:39] | Dibblah: | Since it's functionally equivalent to S5. |
| [17:32:59] | JohnQ: | Strangely it says "4" not "S4" ... not sure that it matters though. |
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| [17:33:39] | Dibblah: | Easiest way to test if it works without hardware is to plug in a hub after enabling the wakeup, then unplug it. |
| [17:33:58] | Dibblah: | Same signaling is used by a WOU device. |
| [17:34:41] | Dibblah: | (Unplug afer switching off, I mean) |
| [17:35:01] | JohnQ: | Does it have to be a hub.. or just any device? |
| [17:35:05] | Dibblah: | You also need to make sure your USB ports are powered by 5VSB, rather than 5v. |
| [17:35:18] | Dibblah: | I believe it has to be a hub, but might be wrong. |
| [17:36:15] | JohnQ: | Ok. I'll try that out later. |
| [17:36:18] | JohnQ: | thanks |
| [17:36:55] | JohnQ: | What are these other entries in the /proc/acpi/wakeup? HUB0 XVRA UAR1 AZAD MMAC MMCI, etc... |
| [17:37:10] | JohnQ: | the rest are all sleep state 5. |
| [17:37:28] | Dibblah: | Easiest way to tell is to look at the PCI positions. |
| [17:37:33] | Dibblah: | Compare with lspci. |
| [17:39:04] | JohnQ: | those acronyms dont sem to show up in lspci |
| [17:41:35] | JohnQ: | oh... and there are no pci bus positions listed in my wakeup file.. Just device, sleep state, and status. |
| [17:42:15] | JohnQ: | I dont have a sysfs node listed.. odd |
| [17:48:18] | Dibblah: | I'm probably running a later kernel version than you. |
| [17:48:43] | JohnQ: | 2.6.18 here. |
| [17:49:56] | Dibblah: | 2.6.24-rc1. |
| [17:50:05] | JohnQ: | k |
| [17:50:11] | Dibblah: | Yes, I know I'm behind the times. |
| [17:50:22] | Dibblah: | But it's Christmas, so it's allowed ;) |
| [17:50:26] | JohnQ: | less so than me :-) |
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| [18:07:40] | JohnQ: | Hmm. Looks like I can go into S3 easily... but not actually recover from it :-) |
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| [18:21:05] | Hausberg: | are there some good howtos for suspending to ram? |
| [18:22:02] | fryfrog: | Hausberg: probably with your distro's web site / wiki? |
| [18:22:58] | Hausberg: | I am on Ubuntu but can't really find something actual – I found a link but it was for hoary and dead |
| [18:25:34] | iamlindoro: | If you have an ATI card it requires extra massaging |
| [18:26:37] | iamlindoro: | Do you have an ATI card, Hausberg |
| [18:27:12] | JohnQ: | Mine is nvidia, but it does not seem to recover cleanly at *all* :-/ |
| [18:27:41] | fryfrog: | oh well, suspend is for girls who turn of their PC :p |
| [18:27:47] | iamlindoro: | JohnQ: Heh, well there's a fix for that too ;) |
| [18:28:01] | JohnQ: | iamlindoro: oh? do tell! :-) |
| [18:28:51] | iamlindoro: | JohnQ: This may help, no guarantees: http://koon.fr/wiki/suspend_to_ram_on_the_del . . . ubuntu_gutsy |
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| [18:29:26] | JohnQ: | I'll take a look. thanks |
| [18:29:29] | Hausberg: | no nvidia |
| [18:29:31] | iamlindoro: | That's presuming you know the problem with with the nVidia card and not elsewhere |
| [18:29:45] | iamlindoro: | Hausberg: Then check into the last link |
| [18:29:55] | Hausberg: | thx |
| [18:31:01] | iamlindoro: | But you're on your own at that point., I gotta take the dog to the pet store :) |
| [18:31:22] | JohnQ: | Honestly I have no idea where the error is. But when I try to recover from S1 or S3, I cant even ping the machine. |
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| [18:37:44] | JohnQ: | What is the "right" way to enter S1, S3, and S4? I've found a few... but I am not sure which ones correctly respect the /etc/default/acpi-support file (for example) |
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| [18:51:37] | htpcdvbs: | hey all |
| [18:51:57] | htpcdvbs: | i tring to get my cable card to work but it don't see it |
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| [19:07:13] | piksi: | hi, i'd love to know why mythtv fails to import the channels from channels.conf which works perfectly with czap and all other dvb-tools |
| [19:07:20] | piksi: | it gets stuck to 3% |
| [19:10:47] | justinh: | maybe the .conf file is in VDR format |
| [19:12:46] | piksi: | if mythtv-setup had some option for running it windowed i could perhaps check the console log |
| [19:13:25] | piksi: | justinh: in case it is, are there any tools for the job and suggestion what to convert it to (i'm using dvb-c in finland)? |
| [19:14:02] | piksi: | in the past i've had no problems using the .conf directly with dvb-t setups |
| [19:14:16] | justinh: | mythtv-setup -geometry xsize x ysize |
| [19:15:50] | justinh: | scanning is the best way to do it anyway |
| [19:16:06] | justinh: | if scanning doesn't work, that'd be what I'd call a bug |
| [19:16:35] | piksi: | not very verbal error: "failed to handle tune complete" |
| [19:16:47] | piksi: | (in the console) |
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| [19:17:22] | justinh: | you probably need to give it some tuning information then |
| [19:17:48] | piksi: | justinh: i found out about my cable tv company QAM/FEC etc settings and frequencies to start scanning from but it seems to find only a few channels and a lot of digibox update channels, nearly 99% of the other channels are missing |
| [19:19:11] | justinh: | they're probably doing a lot of nonstandard stuff then, so you're basically screwed |
| [19:19:12] | piksi: | sure it scans and finds a lot of channels but it only puts those few in the channel list. on most channels it complains about "found channel but it doesn't match existing tsid" |
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| [19:19:49] | rhp: | Hi all, does anyone know which package to install to build mythtv from sources with xvmc-vld included? |
| [19:20:26] | rhp: | ... in ubuntu 7.10, that is... |
| [19:29:04] | |Torg|: | rhp are you asking where to get the source code, or what do you want to know what you need to compile it? |
| [19:31:24] | rhp: | I have the mythtv source code, but configure keeps insisting that it does not want to enable xvmc-vld. |
| [19:31:55] | |Torg|: | what video card do you have? and what drivers did you install for it? |
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| [19:33:07] | justinh: | epia, just say "nay" ! |
| [19:34:07] | squish102: | what is the best thing to use to watch recordings on a windows machine? |
| [19:34:17] | justinh: | mythfrontend :D |
| [19:34:28] | |Torg|: | yes justinh, its what I assumed but thought it better I should ask first :P |
| [19:34:48] | squish102: | i used to use mythstreamtv, but that does not seem supported anymore |
| [19:35:00] | rhp: | |Torg|: as justinh pointed out, oh so eloquently, it's a VIA EPIA with a CLE266 inside. |
| [19:35:25] | squish102: | or maybe a upnp software client |
| [19:35:30] | |Torg|: | ok rhp, what version of the source code did you download? |
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| [19:35:53] | |Torg|: | squish102: use samba and just play them with whatever player that can decode the mpegs |
| [19:35:59] | justinh: | right I think I've fixed the image movement clipping now :) |
| [19:36:35] | justinh: | and it's reporting the right size since I put the maths right |
| [19:36:50] | rhp: | |Torg|: release-0-20-fixes |
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| [19:37:28] | rhp: | But it could be a bug(let) in configure, since it does not seem to enable xvmc-vld when you do not enable viaXvMCPro. |
| [19:37:28] | |Torg|: | pastbin what configure told you it saw |
| [19:37:48] | squish102: | thanks |Torg|, will do that.. i'll look for a script that will tell me what those long numbers mean |
| [19:38:20] | |Torg|: | squish102: its channel number and date |
| [19:38:28] | rhp: | Although I think vld should also be enabled when using viaXvMC (the not-Pro) |
| [19:38:55] | rhp: | |Torg|: I hacked configure to see what will happen... |
| [19:39:35] | |Torg|: | hacking the configure file and forcing it to use libs it can not use is a nice way to produce core dumps, but you go on |
| [19:40:11] | rhp: | |Torg| do you happen to know whether configure is correct then? |
| [19:40:25] | |Torg|: | I happen to know it is correct for an NVidia card |
| [19:40:33] | |Torg|: | like justinh said, via is evil |
| [19:40:44] | rhp: | (oh, no... another one :) |
| [19:41:05] | rhp: | For now I'm stuck with it. So I'll try to get it working... |
| [19:43:03] | rhp: | |Torg| Am I mistaken that via XvMC is actually using XvMC-VLD? |
| [19:44:36] | |Torg|: | AFAIK libviaXvMCPro should enable xvmc-vld |
| [19:45:02] | |Torg|: | unless you did not have X11 libs or XV |
| [19:45:05] | rhp: | But libviaXvMC not? |
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| [19:45:29] | |Torg|: | no not with libviaXvMC |
| [19:45:42] | htpcdvbs: | can i ask this every time u add a dvb card do u have to recompile the kernal for dvb drivers? |
| [19:45:42] | rhp: | Really? |
| [19:45:58] | |Torg|: | really, but thats just me reading the configure script |
| [19:46:10] | rhp: | ah |
| [19:46:30] | |Torg|: | htpcdvbs: you have to have a driver for it, but recompiling th kernel is a bit severe, just do the modules |
| [19:46:31] | rhp: | that's what I did, but I also believe it to be wrong... |
| [19:46:57] | htpcdvbs: | how do i redo the modules |
| [19:47:01] | |Torg|: | rhp I dont have via boxes, so I dont really know. I have nvidia cards and I know it works fine |
| [19:47:42] | htpcdvbs: | torg u have a link? i can follow? |
| [19:47:53] | |Torg|: | a link???? to what? |
| [19:48:35] | |Torg|: | htpcdvbs: you are asking a VER generic question that is more along the lines of how do I install hardware |
| [19:48:37] | htpcdvbs: | how to redo the modules |
| [19:48:50] | |Torg|: | amost all hardware on any linux box is loaded via modules |
| [19:48:58] | |Torg|: | those modules are linked to the kernel |
| [19:49:08] | htpcdvbs: | i did mythtv off a live cd |
| [19:49:14] | htpcdvbs: | so it was all there |
| [19:49:22] | |Torg|: | but if you didnt compile your own kernel (indicated by the questions you are asking) I would think you got it from some distribution |
| [19:49:37] | htpcdvbs: | dreamlinux |
| [19:49:38] | |Torg|: | barring that you got some non compliant dvb card, you should already have the drivers |
| [19:50:00] | |Torg|: | apart from that you may have to download a driver from the vendor, and compile it against headders for your kernel |
| [19:50:09] | htpcdvbs: | well it see the one just not the other one |
| [19:50:11] | |Torg|: | and that is assumign you have the proper gcc version and libbc |
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| [19:53:23] | linxeh: | is it necessary to scan for channels on each DVB-T card installed ? |
| [19:53:43] | |Torg|: | if each has a different input |
| [19:54:06] | |Torg|: | you scan channels to inputs and assign inputs to dvb cards, its not really scanning it per card |
| [19:54:42] | linxeh: | I've got a single tuner dvb-t card and a dual tuner card, which appear as 3 frontends |
| [19:55:55] | |Torg|: | do you mean 3 cards? a frontend in mythtv terms is a program to play the videos |
| [19:56:11] | linxeh: | no, I mean a dvb-t frontend |
| [19:57:01] | linxeh: | both cards are fed from the same aerial |
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| [19:58:59] | |Torg|: | the card istelf is called a capturecard (or exactly what it is stored in the database as), each card is one more more inputs, these show up as cardinputs (likewise stored in the database) |
| [19:59:10] | |Torg|: | to each of the cardinputs is tied a video source |
| [19:59:20] | |Torg|: | the video source can be tied to one or more inputs |
| [19:59:35] | |Torg|: | you assign channels by videosource, not by card nor inputs |
| [19:59:48] | linxeh: | [ 185.087833] DVB: registering new adapter (Hauppauge Nova-T 500 Dual DVB-T). |
| [19:59:48] | linxeh: | [ 185.104119] DVB: registering frontend 2 (DiBcom 3000MC/P)... |
| [19:59:52] | linxeh: | .... |
| [20:00:06] | |Torg|: | its talking about the tuner chip on the card |
| [20:00:19] | |Torg|: | calling it a frontend however will only confuse people trying to help you |
| [20:00:50] | |Torg|: | and in the future if you need to paste mulitple lines, use pastebin |
| [20:00:52] | hashbang: | (jargon overloading)++ |
| [20:01:05] | hashbang: | er, — even. :-) |
| [20:01:52] | |Torg|: | if we do not agree on a standard set of terms we can not communicate effectivly |
| [20:02:19] | |Torg|: | and if you want to know the inner working of mythtv, to say assign channels, you should probbaly have a standard set of terms to use when asking for help |
| [20:04:02] | linxeh: | I know what its talking about |
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| [20:04:32] | |Torg|: | well then go polulate the channel table with proper tuning information tying it to a videosource via sourceid |
| [20:04:48] | |Torg|: | tie that sourceid to one or more inputs of your dvb cards |
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| [20:04:56] | |Torg|: | then go get listing information for the source id |
| [20:05:13] | rhp: | I get linker errors on -lXxf86vm (not found)... shouldn't configure have found that? |
| [20:05:15] | roothorick: | is there a proper list of capture cards that work with MythTV somewhere? |
| [20:05:33] | |Torg|: | proper list no, workgin list yes (on the wiiki) |
| [20:05:44] | linxeh: | |Torg|: ok thanks – I see how the tuners link up with sources / channel lists now :) |
| [20:06:08] | |Torg|: | linxeh: np, sorry it was so painfull |
| [20:06:33] | |Torg|: | roothorick: I assume you want this, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Hardware |
| [20:07:53] | linxeh: | apologies for pasting – I only intended to paste one |
| [20:08:13] | |Torg|: | roothorick: but essentaily as long as the card has linux driver support it should work. I say should becase there are some cards that are known not to, or not to work very well. Simply look up whatever card you are comtemplating then look up linux drivers and see how many problems people have with them |
| [20:08:35] | |Torg|: | or you could ask here what other people use and what they think of the cards |
| [20:08:57] | roothorick: | I had a second question |
| [20:09:17] | roothorick: | if firewire is locked down on my STB, what are my options for getting HD content into MythTV? |
| [20:09:40] | iamlindoro: | QAM, OTA |
| [20:09:46] | |Torg|: | Ill assume you have a cable box and that it has a firewire output, what do you mean by locked down? |
| [20:09:46] | iamlindoro: | .torrent |
| [20:09:48] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [20:09:56] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro sush :P |
| [20:10:07] | roothorick: | |Torg|: more than a few key channels encrypted |
| [20:10:20] | roothorick: | iamlindoro: will an STB produce a QAM signal? |
| [20:10:25] | |Torg|: | roothorick: basicly there isnt anyhting you can do |
| [20:10:28] | iamlindoro: | That's about average.... most people only get network TV via FW |
| [20:10:33] | |Torg|: | roothorick: no it will not |
| [20:10:35] | iamlindoro: | roothorick: No |
| [20:10:47] | roothorick: | gah lame |
| [20:10:53] | iamlindoro: | QAM is gonna come straight out the wall into a QAM-compatible ATSC tuner like the HD 5500 or HDHomeRun |
| [20:10:55] | |Torg|: | you need a DVB-C card to do that, but its all encrypted so it will not work either |
| [20:11:25] | iamlindoro: | He's US, so no DVB-C |
| [20:11:26] | |Torg|: | you can plug in a qam capable dvdb card, but if the channels are encrypted you will not get anything other then signal lock |
| [20:11:31] | hashbang: | linxeh: yup; sounds like you've got it – if a tuner card uses the same 'video source' (in MythTV jargon) as an existing card, you don't need to retune it as it'll use the channel info available for the first. |
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| [20:12:02] | iamlindoro: | Regardless, with all options, all you're gonna get is *probably* netowrk TV and community access stuff |
| [20:12:05] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro are you sure dvb-c cards dont work in the US? |
| [20:12:33] | iamlindoro: | |Torg|: Yeah. Technically the ATSC cards show up as /dev/dvb, but they're not DVB-C |
| [20:13:01] | |Torg|: | yes but ATSC is differnt then dvb-c, quite or more exatly some atsc cards can do both |
| [20:13:39] | roothorick: | so what are my options for OTA HD content? |
| [20:13:49] | iamlindoro: | There's still no DVB in the US... well, technically DishNet is DVB-S, but that's it |
| [20:13:57] | iamlindoro: | roothorick: And antenna |
| [20:13:59] | iamlindoro: | er an |
| [20:14:05] | |Torg|: | as are my air2pc cards :P |
| [20:14:07] | roothorick: | I mean in terms of capture cards |
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| [20:14:14] | roothorick: | of course it'll need an antenna |
| [20:14:16] | |Torg|: | roothorick: there called ATSC cards |
| [20:14:27] | roothorick: | |Torg|: yes, but compatibility-wise? |
| [20:14:27] | iamlindoro: | roothorick: lots, check the wiki at linuxtv.org |
| [20:14:49] | |Torg|: | roothorick: there are more then I can list, like iamlindoro said go look at the wiki page |
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| [20:14:54] | iamlindoro: | the DVB wiki there, then look for ATSC card in your form factor (PCI, USB, etc) |
| [20:15:22] | |Torg|: | 0000:01:06.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02) |
| [20:15:27] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro what do you call that card? |
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| [20:15:54] | iamlindoro: | Just 'cause it shows up as a DVB device and plugs into cable doesn't make it DVB-C :) |
| [20:15:56] | ** roothorick chuckles at "network controller" ** | |
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| [20:16:19] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro I dint say it was a dvb-c card, in fact it can not do qam at all |
| [20:16:22] | hashbang: | heya; I've been hacking on mythburn.py a bit lately; anyone here know mplex, Project-X and friends well? |
| [20:16:24] | iamlindoro: | Still has to pull down signals in DVB-C format, which we don't HAVE in the US |
| [20:16:52] | roothorick: | if only there was a usable component capture card... |
| [20:17:03] | iamlindoro: | |Torg|: In that case, I'd call it an OTA-only ATSC card |
| [20:18:06] | |Torg|: | what I have? yes I know what the card is. Im asking what you call the dvb cards that do qam that people use to watch digital cable with, in the US |
| [20:18:29] | iamlindoro: | QAM-compatible ATSC... they're *not* DVB-C |
| [20:19:04] | sei-coffee: | Hello, Ive got a pvr150 model 1045 card that doesnt seem to create the devices /dev/lirc0 or /dev/lirc. lirc_i2c loads ok but doesnt create devices for the remote. Anyone run into this with fedora 7 kernel 2.6.23.8–34.fc7 ?? |
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| [20:21:25] | roothorick: | are there Linux drivers for the SilverStone MFP51 devices? |
| [20:21:48] | roothorick: | it's a drive bay LCD designed for HTPCs |
| [20:22:08] | iamlindoro: | looks like there is |
| [20:22:16] | roothorick: | link? |
| [20:22:19] | iamlindoro: | http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/ . . . 06047831/p/4 |
| [20:22:25] | roothorick: | and is it just LCD, just remote, or both? |
| [20:23:01] | iamlindoro: | I dunno, you research it. It's your LCD... just know it's supported by a recompiled LCDProc, apparently |
| [20:23:15] | roothorick: | it's not mine yet |
| [20:23:19] | roothorick: | I'm thinking about it |
| [20:23:48] | iamlindoro: | Ir Is usually the easier part, in my experience... the LCD/VFDs can be a bitch sometimes though |
| [20:24:02] | iamlindoro: | So if it has LCD support, you're probably ok |
| [20:24:32] | iamlindoro: | My HTPC requires compiling some forked LCDProc and lirc from the LCD vendor... was yucky getting that and real lirc to live nicely together |
| [20:24:38] | danzigrules: | Does anyone know if anyone has gotten a motorola dct6416 III to use firewire with mythtv? |
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| [20:25:06] | |Torg|: | http://lcdproc.omnipotent.net/index.php3 |
| [20:25:18] | roothorick: | my game plan right now is to screw around with firewire on my SciAl 4250HDC, if I can't get good results that way I'll take a closer look at QAM cards with analog support |
| [20:26:12] | iamlindoro: | roothorick: You don't want to do analog on a good ATSC card |
| [20:26:25] | roothorick: | iamlindoro: it'll let me get SD channels out of my STB though |
| [20:26:27] | |Torg|: | roothorick: you *can* connect an analog tuner to the output of the stb and use and ir blaster to controll it, it will only do analog tho |
| [20:26:27] | iamlindoro: | Get two cards or you will be reduced to a crying puddle and your video will suck too |
| [20:26:52] | iamlindoro: | PVR-150/500 for analog, ATSC card for HD channels only, if you can manage it |
| [20:27:29] | iamlindoro: | because NTSC support on ATSC cards is just simple framegrabber... which stinks for both quality and being a CPU hog, plus Myth outputs NUVs which are a pain to work with |
| [20:27:32] | roothorick: | iamlindoro: my current HTPC only has two PCI slots, and one is taken up by a wireless card... as it stands now, two capture cards is completely out of the question unless I feel like dicking around with USB |
| [20:28:14] | iamlindoro: | Then get an HDHomeRun and a PVR-150... one well supported network device with two HD tuners, one good analog card |
| [20:28:26] | sei-coffee: | Anyone here have a minute for an LIRC driver problem on a pvr150? Doesnt create the device entries. Is this a case of an unsupported infrared control chip? Anyone ? |
| [20:28:46] | iamlindoro: | sei-coffee: All of the IR stuff on all models of PVR-150 should be supported |
| [20:28:57] | Dave321: | sei-coffee, did you load the right drivers? |
| [20:28:59] | iamlindoro: | There hasn't been a new revision that I know of in a good long time |
| [20:29:55] | roothorick: | iamlindoro: hmm. I guess I'll pick up the PVR-150 now and grab the HDHomeRun when we get an HDTV |
| [20:30:12] | sei-coffee: | Thanks all, I loaded the drivers according to mr. wilsons guild although outdated. How do you tell which driver to load for the infrared remote? I have the #2 new one that came with the pvr150 |
| [20:30:18] | iamlindoro: | Probably a good idea... just speaking from a lot of experience with framgrabbers, they're really awful |
| [20:30:36] | iamlindoro: | sei-coffee: USB device or straight out the card? |
| [20:30:37] | |Torg|: | lamegrabbers suck |
| [20:30:41] | sei-coffee: | Im running the lirc_i2c one . |
| [20:30:53] | |Torg|: | I have two sitting in a box if you want them, there worth less then the shipping |
| [20:31:01] | roothorick: | iamlindoro: on a side note, audio is a non-issue, I'm going to be doing raw capture from SPDIF or TOSlink and then dumping that directly into my speakers |
| [20:31:03] | sei-coffee: | iamlindoro: Straight from card. Its got the double sensor on it. One for input and other for output |
| [20:31:38] | |Torg|: | roothorick: you can not connect it stight to the speakers you have to decode the audio first |
| [20:31:42] | iamlindoro: | sei-coffee: lirc_i2c and lirc_dev should be all you need |
| [20:31:51] | roothorick: | |Torg|: why? |
| [20:32:19] | roothorick: | |Torg|: I have the Logitech Z-5500 set. Built-in digital decoder with SPDIF and TOSlink jacks. |
| [20:32:20] | sei-coffee: | iamlindoro: Thanks for your reply. Dont I need the lirc-kmdl also? |
| [20:32:24] | iamlindoro: | First off, myth isn't playing it in real time, you will have *awful* lag issues... several seconds at least |
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| [20:32:34] | |Torg|: | spdif or iec958 is a digital format that needs to be deocded, speakers are simply analog compnents |
| [20:32:53] | iamlindoro: | sei-coffee: more likely you are having issues when the lircd starts |
| [20:32:57] | roothorick: | |Torg|: as I just said, my speakers take care of that for me |
| [20:33:07] | linxeh: | unless you have active speakers with spdif decoders :o |
| [20:33:13] | roothorick: | precisely what I have |
| [20:33:26] | sei-coffee: | iamlindoro: Can I post you a snipet from error log? |
| [20:33:31] | |Torg|: | more like a speaker set with A decoder, but yes |
| [20:33:39] | iamlindoro: | sei-coffee: Sure, paste it to www.pastebin.ca |
| [20:33:42] | linxeh: | roothorick: what are they ? :) |
| [20:33:52] | roothorick: | linxeh: Logitech Z-5500 |
| [20:33:57] | iamlindoro: | sei-coffee: And as a disclaimer I don't have that particular IR setup but I have throubleshot it a number of times |
| [20:34:20] | linxeh: | oh, so you have a decoder/amp which the speakers connect to then |
| [20:34:35] | sei-coffee: | Dec 30 12:51:53 dhann lircd-0.8.3-CVS[3561]: lircd(userspace) ready |
| [20:34:35] | sei-coffee: | Dec 30 12:51:58 dhann lircd-0.8.3-CVS[3561]: accepted new client on /dev/lircd |
| [20:34:35] | sei-coffee: | Dec 30 12:51:58 dhann lircd-0.8.3-CVS[3561]: could not get file information for /dev/lirc |
| [20:34:35] | sei-coffee: | Dec 30 12:51:58 dhann lircd-0.8.3-CVS[3561]: default_init(): No such file or directory |
| [20:34:35] | sei-coffee: | Dec 30 12:51:58 dhann lircd-0.8.3-CVS[3561]: caught signal |
| [20:34:36] | roothorick: | oh for crying out loud |
| [20:34:46] | iamlindoro: | going Cable cox S/pdif -> receiver/speakers still isn't going to work because you'll never get audio sync right |
| [20:34:46] | sei-coffee: | iamlindoro: Sorry, It was short though |
| [20:34:47] | |Torg|: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . +5.1+Speaker |
| [20:34:57] | roothorick: | |Torg|: thank you |
| [20:34:57] | |Torg|: | ugly newegg link but its the picture of them |
| [20:35:05] | |Torg|: | yes it has a little deocder it attachs to |
| [20:35:16] | roothorick: | that decoder is not so little, but yes |
| [20:35:34] | iamlindoro: | sei-coffee: Not short enough, you will make people pretty steamed in here if you do much more of that |
| [20:35:35] | Kritter: | digitalcable capture card... any recommendations? |
| [20:36:07] | sei-coffee: | iamkindoro: Im sorry. Never used www.pastebin.ca |
| [20:36:18] | iamlindoro: | It doesn't take much thought to figure it out |
| [20:36:25] | roothorick: | so anyway |
| [20:36:25] | iamlindoro: | paste, press post, paste link in here |
| [20:36:41] | sei-coffee: | iamlindoro: I will right now |
| [20:36:42] | iamlindoro: | too late now |
| [20:36:45] | iamlindoro: | next time |
| [20:36:55] | sei-coffee: | ok. |
| [20:37:01] | roothorick: | the idea is, capture the audio raw, and save it with the video as it comes in the sound card without any processing, just dump it in the container. Then when playing, dump it straight back out the other jack |
| [20:37:29] | |Torg|: | roothorick: do yo umean passthough as in AC3 and DTS? |
| [20:37:36] | roothorick: | |Torg|: exactly |
| [20:37:53] | |Torg|: | can that decoder deocde DTS? |
| [20:38:05] | roothorick: | it does all flavors of DTS up to ES-96/24 |
| [20:38:08] | iamlindoro: | sei-coffee: pastebin ls -al /dev/lirc*, and do a ps -aux |grep lirc and see if lircd is running at all |
| [20:38:16] | |Torg|: | roothorick: then go for it :) |
| [20:38:33] | roothorick: | if my HTPC's CPU doesn't have to bide itself with audio, that leaves more CPU room for encoding and decoding video |
| [20:38:40] | roothorick: | and I'm going to need all the room I can get |
| [20:38:47] | sei-coffee: | ok, Hold for a few minutes. I have to figure it out. |
| [20:39:07] | |Torg|: | it still has to strip out eh audio track, other then that there isnt very much overhead of the CPU, so you arnt saving a whole bunch |
| [20:39:19] | |Torg|: | it does produce very nice audio tho |
| [20:39:22] | roothorick: | well, I don't have to encode and decode the audio at all |
| [20:39:39] | |Torg|: | you normally dont anyway, you let the cards DSP do it |
| [20:39:48] | roothorick: | just pull it out of the STB, save it to disk, and then dump it back out the other end when playing |
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| [20:40:36] | roothorick: | so anyway, what's the quality issues with frame grabbers? Any background on that? |
| [20:41:09] | |Torg|: | lag, picture auaitly (or lack there of), cpu useagin to enocode the output of teh card, its a case of GIO |
| [20:41:12] | |Torg|: | err GIGO |
| [20:41:41] | roothorick: | so frame grabbers generally aren't made that well and the picture quality suffers? |
| [20:42:21] | iamlindoro: | roothorick: The essential point is that framegrabbers are horrible, and the money, energy, blood pressure and hair follicles spent trying to make one work adequately is not better than simply buying a $60 PVR-150 and using that instead, and watching as it "just works." |
| [20:42:53] | roothorick: | actually, I found a PVR-150 for $40 :) |
| [20:42:54] | iamlindoro: | Plus I assume you want a usable, universal file format when Myth records, and NUV ain't that |
| [20:43:12] | roothorick: | bah, I don't care about file format, just as long as Myth can play what it records |
| [20:43:14] | iamlindoro: | whereas the 150 or any other hardware encoder outputs nice, compatible MPEG-2 |
| [20:43:19] | sei-coffee: | iamlindoro: http://pastebin.ca/839051 |
| [20:43:34] | |Torg|: | roothorick: thats what you say now, wait untill you use myth for a few months |
| [20:43:54] | iamlindoro: | sei-coffee: OK, let's start from scratch... killall lircd |
| [20:44:01] | roothorick: | on a side note, I have a bunch of videos on my desktop that I want to be able to play downstairs on the HTPC |
| [20:44:04] | sei-coffee: | ok |
| [20:44:12] | iamlindoro: | And open up two terminals |
| [20:44:30] | roothorick: | I was going to NFS mount a couple key points in my home dir to the HTPC, but does Myth have anything for that last mile into its interface? |
| [20:44:48] | sei-coffee: | ok |
| [20:45:02] | |Torg|: | roothorick: are yousaing you want to play a video file over an NFS mount? |
| [20:45:13] | iamlindoro: | in the first one, as root, try: lircd --driver=default --device=/dev/lirc0 |
| [20:45:22] | iamlindoro: | (I think that's proper syntax, may need tweaking) |
| [20:45:23] | roothorick: | |Torg|: ideally. If I have to physically copy the files over, I can deal with that, but I'd like to avoid it |
| [20:45:50] | roothorick: | |Torg|: I'm sure it's possible with e.g. mplayer but does Myth itself have provisions to integrate that functionality directly into the main interface? |
| [20:45:53] | iamlindoro: | if you get any output, pastebin it |
| [20:46:15] | |Torg|: | roothorick: it depends on the speed of the NFS mount and the bitrate of the video, in my case of 100BaseT it works fine |
| [20:46:32] | |Torg|: | roothorick: its a plugin called mythvideo, thats all |
| [20:46:42] | roothorick: | |Torg|: that's what I wanted to know, thanks |
| [20:46:52] | sei-coffee: | iamlindoro: No output from lircd command. Also no /dev/lirc0 just have /dev/lircd |
| [20:46:58] | roothorick: | I'm doing this through an SSH tunnel over wireless-B so we'll see if the network is fast enough, haha |
| [20:47:11] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [20:47:13] | iamlindoro: | no way |
| [20:47:29] | roothorick: | I'm going to try it anyway :) |
| [20:47:32] | |Torg|: | roothorick: use mplayer to putot audi and video to null and add together its bitrate |
| [20:47:55] | |Torg|: | then add about 25% to that, and if your network meets or exceeds that you are ok |
| [20:48:00] | |Torg|: | if not you will have issues |
| [20:48:16] | sei-coffee: | iamlindoro: ?? what? |
| [20:48:24] | iamlindoro: | sei-coffee: Not speaking to you |
| [20:48:30] | sei-coffee: | OH. |
| [20:48:32] | roothorick: | well, I expect the full 11Mbps on the outermost |
| [20:48:35] | roothorick: | who knows if that's enough |
| [20:48:49] | |Torg|: | but I can tell you that playing a 1080I mpeg2 stream over a 100baset nfs or samba mount works |
| [20:48:56] | roothorick: | oh christ |
| [20:49:03] | |Torg|: | 10baseT cant do that, nor can wireless |
| [20:49:07] | roothorick: | HD stuff I'll copy to the box first, no damn way that'll stream over wireless-B |
| [20:49:12] | roothorick: | I'm talking about SD content |
| [20:49:31] | |Torg|: | its simply a matter of bitrate of video vs bitrate of network |
| [20:49:56] | iamlindoro: | Speaking from experience, I could never make SD work *reliably* on 802.11b... It would work sometimes, then not others.... Wireless is just too much black magic and voodoo to count on at those low speeds |
| [20:50:38] | sei-coffee: | iamlindoro: http://pastebin.ca/839072 |
| [20:50:39] | |Torg|: | HD over 802.11G fails as well |
| [20:51:10] | roothorick: | actually, HD content I'll be *cough* "downloading" directly to the HTPC anyway |
| [20:51:20] | roothorick: | if I want to watch it there, that is, which isn't likely |
| [20:51:31] | iamlindoro: | sei-coffee: Hmm... what version of fedora are you running... It's been a bit since I used it |
| [20:51:51] | iamlindoro: | There are no yum lirc packages for your distro? You were force to compile from source? |
| [20:51:54] | iamlindoro: | er forced |
| [20:52:12] | iamlindoro: | I would think that recent fedora would have a better way of dealing with this than still requiring you to compile lirc |
| [20:52:14] | roothorick: | heh, all sorts of compiling madness happening in my room |
| [20:52:18] | sei-coffee: | iamlindoro:Fedora 7 kernel 2.6.23.8–34.fc7 |
| [20:52:59] | xris: | iamlindoro: lirc should be in the fedora kernel in fedora 9 |
| [20:53:08] | roothorick: | so, soon I'm going to be screwing with the STB over firewire... what do I need to know to get this show going? |
| [20:53:09] | sei-coffee: | iamlindoro: Atrpms has the packages precompiled. I have a mythtv box upstairs with same card and runs fine. This otherone however doesnt |
| [20:53:11] | iamlindoro: | Well there you have it :) |
| [20:53:13] | xris: | and you can get an lirc kernel for fedora 8 by installing it from rawhide |
| [20:53:28] | iamlindoro: | Wait a year and you'll be golden ;) |
| [20:53:41] | xris: | nah, fedora releases at least every 6 months |
| [20:53:48] | hashbang: | xris: no need for that; pull the lirc package from ATrpms.net |
| [20:53:52] | iamlindoro: | sei-coffee: So to be clear, we are currently trying to troubleshoot your source-built version, yes? |
| [20:54:12] | iamlindoro: | I would suggest you make uninstall and reinstall the at-rpms version and we troubleshoot that instead |
| [20:54:23] | sei-coffee: | iamlindoro: I didnt compile from source. I yummed it from atrpms. |
| [20:54:27] | xris: | hashbang: that would require installing something from atrpms.net |
| [20:54:36] | iamlindoro: | ah, ok |
| [20:54:39] | hashbang: | xris: yup. My whole myth system is from ATrpms. |
| [20:54:51] | iamlindoro: | Bah! Apt-get install lirc |
| [20:54:53] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [20:55:02] | hashbang: | xris: I wouldn't enable atrpms as a permanent repo for a regular system, but for myth it's just fine. |
| [20:55:04] | xris: | Axel's a good guy, but his packages tend to break compatibility with the main fedora repo and other third party repos |
| [20:55:19] | ** iamlindoro lays his healing hands on the mythbox, and banishes the demons. The daemons can stay, though. ** | |
| [20:55:25] | sei-coffee: | xris: could be Im seeing that now <grin> |
| [20:55:28] | hashbang: | xris: sure, but on a myth box, that generally gets you a working myth box. :-) |
| [20:55:33] | xris: | yeah |
| [20:55:41] | xris: | we'll get myth into rpm fusion for .21, though. |
| [20:55:55] | xris: | and atrpms will apparently be going away and merging into "rpm repo" |
| [20:56:02] | |Torg|: | is svn that difficult? |
| [20:56:13] | sei-coffee: | When loading lirc_i2c does it then create the /dev/lirc* devices? |
| [20:56:14] | xris: | so at least there will only be 2 choices in third party repos |
| [20:56:30] | iamlindoro: | lirc# is created when lircd starts correctly |
| [20:56:34] | xris: | |Torg|: publishing svn? well, rpm fusion isn't actually online yet, so that's the big hindrance at the moment |
| [20:56:36] | hashbang: | xris: this was always the risk inherent in having a more distributed devel model than Debian |
| [20:56:50] | xris: | hashbang: well, and being based in the US. |
| [20:56:57] | iamlindoro: | lircd (devnode) sits in /dev whether lircd (daemon) is running or not |
| [20:57:03] | hashbang: | xris: true, that. |
| [20:57:04] | |Torg|: | xris I would think making a daily compile sort of thing |
| [20:57:23] | xris: | |Torg|: still need a repository to host it at |
| [20:57:34] | |Torg|: | sort of like what I do, well could do, with the svn and checkinstall now, althogh its not automated |
| [20:57:35] | hashbang: | xris: "we'd love to include MP3, and all this other stuff, but we think it'll get us sued, so we won't, sorry" |
| [20:57:47] | sei-coffee: | I bet this is all udev 's fault!! |
| [20:57:51] | xris: | hashbang: no.. mp3 is because it's a violation of the GPL |
| [20:57:56] | DustyBin: | anyone here use CentOS on myth box? |
| [20:57:57] | |Torg|: | but even then, other then time, compling myth from svn code isnt all that difficult |
| [20:58:11] | iamlindoro: | sei-coffee: Why would it be udev's fault? |
| [20:58:22] | sei-coffee: | We have to blame someone! |
| [20:58:24] | xris: | DustyBin: you'd have to compile a lot of stuff by hand. I thought about it once, but gave up after 2–3 packages. |
| [20:58:30] | ** iamlindoro loves udev ** | |
| [20:58:42] | hashbang: | xris: no, there are GPL'ed MP3 codec implementations, but even Microsoft got themselves sued when they thought they'd got a correct usage/dist license for MP3 tech. |
| [20:58:43] | ** |Torg| hates udev ** | |
| [20:58:47] | ** iamlindoro takes udev out to dinner and a movie and doesn't even expect it to put out ** | |
| [20:58:55] | DustyBin: | xris: aye ok! ill stick with debian etch :D |
| [20:59:14] | xris: | hashbang: no.. *mp3* is a violation of the GPL. any source code that implements mp3 encoding/decoding violates the GPLv2 because mp3 is patent-encumbered. |
| [20:59:15] | sei-coffee: | There is just something really wrong here when the devices dont show up in /dev. All I have is /dev/lircd |
| [20:59:25] | xris: | er, "any GPL source code..." |
| [20:59:29] | hashbang: | xris: LAME |
| [20:59:43] | hashbang: | xris: which of course isn't MP3, but looks a /lot/ like MP3. |
| [20:59:54] | iamlindoro: | sei-coffee: As I explained, lirc# doesn't show up until lircd starts properly |
| [21:00:04] | sei-coffee: | coffee asks udev out for dinner |
| [21:00:05] | xris: | LAME encodes mp3... and the mp3 portions of LAME's code are not, legally speaking, valid GPL code |
| [21:00:06] | iamlindoro: | sei-coffee: It's about the furthest thing in the world from udev interfering |
| [21:00:45] | hashbang: | xris: I think you'll find LAME implements something that's compatible with MP3, but isn't, technically, MP3. |
| [21:00:45] | iamlindoro: | your problem lies squarely in the question "WTF is wrong with /usr/sbin/lircd," and why won't it start properly?" |
| [21:00:52] | sei-coffee: | iamlindoro: ok, I get it /dev/lirc* isnt created until lirc starts correctly. |
| [21:00:57] | xris: | hashbang: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia/Codeina |
| [21:01:25] | sei-coffee: | iamlindoro: yes. |
| [21:01:56] | xris: | hashbang: I trust red hat and FSF lawyers to know what's going o |
| [21:02:01] | xris: | ...going on. |
| [21:02:10] | iamlindoro: | sei-coffee: so anyway... Last time I tried on *my* system, this didn't work, but I suppose you could try to start lircd as above, but with --logfile so we can get some more info |
| [21:02:26] | sei-coffee: | ok |
| [21:02:30] | iamlindoro: | but last I tried, even though it's in the lirc docs, --logfile didn't work |
| [21:02:44] | sei-coffee: | Have to see here |
| [21:02:52] | iamlindoro: | I think it just dumps it to the syslog instead |
| [21:03:00] | |Torg|: | xris while I do agree with you , nobody has come knocking down my door for using debian-multimedia.org |
| [21:03:45] | xris: | |Torg|: yeah. and that's why atrpms/livna/rpmrepo/rpmfusion/freshrpms/dag/dries exist... |
| [21:03:58] | xris: | and thankfully that list will be dropping down to just rmpfusion/rpmrepo soon. |
| [21:04:01] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Compiling w/ your new uPnp stuff to give that a ride today |
| [21:04:13] | GreyFoxx: | cool |
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| [21:04:29] | GreyFoxx: | I'm messing around with getting it to pull coverposters/thumbnails now |
| [21:04:39] | iamlindoro: | Very cool. |
| [21:04:49] | GreyFoxx: | I'm trying to figure out just what it is that triggers the 360 to request them |
| [21:04:58] | |Torg|: | GreyFoxx: have you gotten it to work with a xbox360 yet? |
| [21:04:59] | iamlindoro: | My 360 is, I think, the only uPnp device in the house besides the myth machines |
| [21:05:07] | GreyFoxx: | |Torg|: Yup, commited it last night |
| [21:05:21] | GreyFoxx: | Video works with the xbox, and you can navigate the upnp video stuff like a directory tree |
| [21:05:27] | |Torg|: | tank you, now I have to go recompile again |
| [21:05:35] | GreyFoxx: | music now shows songs, and I'll get that going properly soon |
| [21:05:36] | |Torg|: | maybe I shoudl set up that autosvn and compile :P |
| [21:05:42] | squish102: | does that also mean that the dsm-320 may work? |
| [21:05:55] | |Torg|: | my dsm alawys worked |
| [21:06:02] | |Torg|: | I just dont us eit becase its SD only |
| [21:06:03] | GreyFoxx: | squish102: No, thought I had that working last night but that was for mpegs only |
| [21:06:04] | sei-coffee: | iamlindoro: I have to take off. Thanks for your ideas on troubleshooting. Ill keep working on it. |
| [21:06:05] | squish102: | |Torg| for videos? |
| [21:06:09] | sinthetek: | i need some tips maintaining lircd. irexec and irxevent keep dying. i wrote a script to restart them and set a cron job to run every 3 minutes |
| [21:06:11] | |Torg|: | for videos, yes |
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| [21:06:16] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: The real interesting question is, what happens when I try to stream, for example, "300.EVO" from my mythvideo... which was ripped using the X360 HD-DVD drive, straight off the disk, and is known to work when plugged into the 360 |
| [21:06:20] | squish102: | mine only works for recordings |
| [21:06:30] | |Torg|: | I hanvt tried it since GreyFoxx first started putting UPNP in, its on the shelf |
| [21:06:37] | GreyFoxx: | squish102: I think I know what it is, but I'll need more time to experiment |
| [21:06:57] | |Torg|: | mostly Id love to use my xbox360 as a pseudo frontend |
| [21:07:11] | squish102: | ok GreyFoxx, i'll keep trying different codec's and settings |
| [21:07:13] | GreyFoxx: | |Torg|: The 360 will NOT play mpeg files via the videoplayer |
| [21:07:17] | GreyFoxx: | It's right on their faq |
| [21:07:28] | GreyFoxx: | it will only plaympeg2 via the mediaextender stuff :( |
| [21:07:33] | sinthetek: | but now it seems if they die and xscreensaver is working, they complain that DISPLAY is inaccessible. any idea wtf irxevent/irexec would need access to $DISPLAY if they haven't received a signal yet? |
| [21:07:57] | sinthetek: | err... and if xscreensaver...* |
| [21:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | I'm hoping to get this to the point of transcode mpeg on the fly for playback and maybe implement webstreaming too |
| [21:08:02] | |Torg|: | ok GreyFoxx that what I was asking if you got it to emulate the mediaextender |
| [21:08:13] | |Torg|: | im thinking it has to be in wmv format |
| [21:08:18] | |Torg|: | conversion is cpu intensive tho |
| [21:08:55] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [21:09:12] | |Torg|: | hell if I could just get realtime encoding id be happy |
| [21:09:49] | GreyFoxx: | first up in my todo list now is 1. add housekeeper job to auto update video list (currently done at backend startup). 2. get dsm playback working again, 3. get coverposters working, 4 music playback |
| [21:10:02] | GreyFoxx: | most of that is just a matter of time to sit down and finish it |
| [21:11:45] | |Torg|: | whats wrong with the dsm? |
| [21:12:07] | GreyFoxx: | barfs about not understanding the video codec when playing non mpeg content |
| [21:12:12] | GreyFoxx: | No idea why |
| [21:12:28] | GreyFoxx: | apparently it's been happenning fora while |
| [21:12:30] | |Torg|: | can it play other then mpeg? |
| [21:12:45] | GreyFoxx: | normally it can play most codecs |
| [21:12:53] | iamlindoro: | Could it be as simple as a fourcc-type atom thing? |
| [21:12:55] | |Torg|: | I know it cant do mpeg2 or at least the one I have cant |
| [21:13:18] | GreyFoxx: | the dsm320 can do mpeg1, mpeg2, xvid, divx, wmv, etc etc |
| [21:14:12] | |Torg|: | ok maybe I shuld be more exact, it cant do mpeg2 in the HD format I have |
| [21:14:25] | |Torg|: | hence the reason its on the shelf |
| [21:14:32] | GreyFoxx: | the 320 can't handle more than SD resolutions |
| [21:15:19] | justinh: | pity the roku thing didn't really catch on |
| [21:15:52] | justinh: | actually it's a pity so many standalone players have sucky UIs, even the MCE extenders |
| [21:17:48] | GreyFoxx: | I'm curious ab ut the MCE extender protocol, but not enough to spend serious time on it |
| [21:19:36] | bsdfox__: | how does myth determine if it's going to build with qt3 or qt4? |
| [21:22:34] | squish102: | |Torg| that is exactly the problem i have with the dsm too. i record HD content but i want to play it on dsm-320 so i need to get it into xvid or mpeg that it can play |
| [21:23:26] | justinh: | gmyth might be good for that eventually (if not already, I dunno) |
| [21:23:28] | |Torg|: | bsdfox__: afaik it uses libqt-mt and depending on what libs you have I would assume it used qt3 or qt4 |
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| [21:26:19] | bsdfox__: | well I have qt3 and qt4 installed on all my systems |
| [21:26:27] | bsdfox__: | seems to fail with qt4 but only one of them is defaulting to qt3 |
| [21:26:27] | bsdfox__: | I can't figure it out |
| [21:26:49] | |Torg|: | ldd libmythtv and see what its looking for |
| [21:29:07] | bsdfox__: | weird |
| [21:29:20] | bsdfox__: | I can't run /usr/qt/3/bin/qmake mythtv.pro and have it work |
| [21:29:40] | bsdfox__: | but if I cd /usr/bin && mv qmake qmake4 && ln -s /usr/qt/3/bin/qmake . it works |
| [21:29:56] | bsdfox__: | crappy workaround but... |
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| [21:32:05] | bsdfox__: | anyone know a way to specify that on the command line? I have a feeling it'll effect other programs :\ |
| [21:33:05] | |Torg|: | is there some reason you want to use qt4 over qt3? |
| [21:35:02] | bsdfox__: | I want to use qt3 for myth |
| [21:35:02] | bsdfox__: | cause it won't compile with qt4 |
| [21:35:26] | bsdfox__: | but I need qt4 for other stuff on my system :\ |
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| [21:39:27] | |Torg|: | well in thoery I would think you coudl have both qt3 and qt4 implcityly linking qt3 to mythtv |
| [21:40:43] | Staticwave_Ace: | hello all, I'm consistantly having freezes during livetv show transitions on a PVR-500, anyone experienced something similar/fixed it? |
| [21:41:01] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Well, current SVN up and running, and the 360 sees the mythbox, and I can browse the folders, but can't find any files at all, including AVIs, MKVs, EVOs, and some m2ts's... It's also complaining that I need a console update... perhaps that's the key? (console updating failing right now) |
| [21:41:42] | |Torg|: | iamlindoro the update shouldnt effect anything but xbox live working |
| [21:42:07] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: yeah you need the update |
| [21:42:07] | iamlindoro: | Just wonder whether compat. with a given file format might be included in the update |
| [21:42:15] | GreyFoxx: | the Dec 4th update added a lot of formats |
| [21:42:16] | bsdfox__: | |Torg|: I'm not sure how to specify that.. any ideas? |
| [21:42:20] | iamlindoro: | ok... will have to wait for Live to get its act together |
| [21:42:49] | justinh: | DUH! looking in the db to see if my setting changes have been stored. wrong database! |
| [21:42:55] | bsdfox__: | Staticwave_Ace: does it just pause a second then continue, or does it drop you back to the menu |
| [21:43:12] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Figured, thanks |
| [21:43:18] | Staticwave_Ace: | bsdfox__: playback hangs, no pause, no back to menu (although I can ESC fine) |
| [21:43:41] | |Torg|: | yes bsdfox__ look for the include for libqt-mt, it linkes to /use/lib/libqt-mt.so on my system. that is a symlink to libqt-mt.so.3.3.7. When I compiled myth it looked for and used that lib |
| [21:44:19] | bsdfox__: | ok |
| [21:44:31] | |Torg|: | so you would hardcode that version into the makefile, or specificlly what it was linked to when it was compiled |
| [21:44:47] | |Torg|: | I dont know if the headders changed tho, so you may have to use implcit includes as well |
| [21:45:08] | bsdfox__: | Staticwave_Ace: I had that problem.. worked fine til about a month ago, then started doing that.. I switched from wireless to a cat5 connection and problem went away |
| [21:45:28] | Staticwave_Ace: | bsdfox__: combined FE/BE |
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| [21:46:04] | bsdfox__: | Staticwave_Ace: I also had issues when my raid was setup poorly and the disks couldn't keep up |
| [21:46:50] | Staticwave_Ace: | hrm |
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| [21:47:53] | Staticwave_Ace: | bsdfox__: /dev/sda: |
| [21:47:53] | Staticwave_Ace: | Timing cached reads: 208 MB in 2.01 seconds = 103.39 MB/sec |
| [21:47:53] | Staticwave_Ace: | Timing buffered disk reads: 172 MB in 3.02 seconds = 57.04 MB/sec |
| [21:48:02] | Staticwave_Ace: | looks fine speed wise |
| [21:48:11] | Staticwave_Ace: | it doesn't happen watching my HDhomerun |
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| [21:48:38] | bsdfox__: | yeah that looks good |
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| [21:48:53] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: pretty much done here now :) |
| [21:49:57] | justinh: | not staying up til 4.30am finishing it off though, no frickin way |
| [21:50:11] | jduggan: | what are you working on ? |
| [21:50:53] | iamlindoro: | MythBlinkenlightsTetris |
| [21:51:04] | Staticwave_Ace: | bsdfox__: 2007-12–30 16:00:14.411 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times. |
| [21:52:32] | bsdfox__: | Staticwave_Ace: same thing I got |
| [21:52:32] | bsdfox__: | are you on 0.20.2? |
| [21:52:56] | justinh: | jduggan: http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/images/appear1.png http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/images/appear2.png |
| [21:53:46] | Staticwave_Ace: | bsdfox__: 0.20.2 + gentoo svn fixes |
| [21:53:54] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, could have used THAT while setting up Myth on my parent's DLP |
| [21:53:54] | |Torg|: | justinh: thats nifty what code is that in? |
| [21:54:12] | justinh: | |Torg|: c++ & qt of course |
| [21:54:48] | |Torg|: | sorry I meant to ask if it was submitted or not and if so what branch |
| [21:55:00] | bsdfox__: | Staticwave_Ace: same setup I was using and same problems |
| [21:55:03] | justinh: | not quite finished yet. all done bar the shouting |
| [21:55:07] | roothorick: | wow mythtv takes forever to compile |
| [21:55:11] | roothorick: | (merging from Gentoo portage) |
| [21:55:18] | bsdfox__: | I'm on svn trunk now, seems to be working much better |
| [21:55:41] | |Torg|: | its ok I preset my screen over a year ago and havent changed it at all, although I do rember the pain of going into the setup over and over again untill I got it right |
| [21:55:43] | justinh: | need to port it to mythui & put a confirm save settings dialog up |
| [21:55:58] | Staticwave_Ace: | bsdfox__: the WAF goes way down if I move to development code |
| [21:56:05] | justinh: | |Torg|: I've thought the same thing for ages. been meaning to get around to this for a while |
| [21:56:17] | jduggan: | well shit on me |
| [21:56:20] | jduggan: | that looks useful |
| [21:56:52] | jhulst: | Has anyone looked at integrating mpd with mythweb/mythmusic? |
| [21:57:09] | iamlindoro: | SVN Myth has the Miniplayer |
| [21:57:23] | iamlindoro: | so it will play outside of MythMusic |
| [21:57:33] | jhulst: | yeah, but no web control |
| [21:57:45] | bsdfox__: | what's WAF? |
| [21:57:52] | iamlindoro: | Wife Acceptance Factor |
| [21:57:56] | bsdfox__: | lol |
| [21:58:25] | ** Staticwave_Ace wonders what the turnaround on silicondust RMAs is... ** | |
| [21:58:33] | bsdfox__: | Staticwave_Ace: I fought those prebuffer timeouts for 6 months before I upgraded last week |
| [22:01:28] | iamlindoro: | My experience with SVN has been that it's far more usable in many ways than last release... so long as you pay attention to the dev list and time any upgrades properly |
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| [22:01:57] | iamlindoro: | ie, not right after the last ffmpeg sync, etc :) |
| [22:02:06] | iamlindoro: | but even then it wasn't bad at all |
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| [22:02:58] | bsdfox__: | |Torg|: that code is working for me now |
| [22:03:21] | bsdfox__: | svn is cool cause you can go back and use a previous release anyway :) |
| [22:03:47] | Staticwave_Ace: | bsdfox__: using the gentoo svn package? |
| [22:03:48] | bsdfox__: | my workaround to the qt3/qt4 stuff is this: /usr/qt/3/bin/qmake QMAKE=/usr/qt/3/bin/qmake -o "Makefile" mythtv.pro |
| [22:04:06] | bsdfox__: | rather than simply qmake mythtv.pro |
| [22:04:14] | bsdfox__: | Staticwave_Ace: I'm manually doing it |
| [22:04:14] | bsdfox__: | the gentoo svn packages sucked imo |
| [22:04:21] | bsdfox__: | sucked bad |
| [22:04:35] | bsdfox__: | none of the plugins compile right.. big pita |
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| [22:06:14] | Staticwave_Ace: | I see |
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| [22:09:18] | Kalijawan: | hey, i got a stupid question-->where would i start to get my Myth working with my SBLive!? (i'm using the SVN version) |
| [22:12:41] | bsdfox__: | in svn is there a way to specify the default aspect ratio? |
| [22:13:00] | bsdfox__: | it was in .20.2 but I don't see it now |
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| [22:18:21] | |Torg|: | what is the mplayer vo and vf to playback mpeg2 via xvmc? |
| [22:18:31] | Tamale: | can someone help me fix my fonts for firefox and opera in ubuntu? they look awful after my install of the mythtv package |
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| [22:19:18] | roelof81: | hello |
| [22:20:25] | roelof81: | i have installed mythtv in archlinux but when i would start msql (/etc/rc.d/mysql start) i get the message that i can't run mysql as root |
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| [22:22:27] | |Torg|: | roelof81: go edit your my.cnf file |
| [22:22:28] | Kalijawan: | maybe you should make a user called mysql |
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| [22:26:47] | roothorick: | arrrgh, myth needs to finish merging |
| [22:27:49] | GreyFoxx: | "merging" ? |
| [22:30:30] | roelof81: | stupid mysql |
| [22:31:44] | roelof81: | i followed exact the how-to of mythtv in the archlinux wiki |
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| [22:32:33] | roelof81: | http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MythTV_HOWTO |
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| [22:34:17] | roelof81: | by the line /etc/rc.d/mysqld start i get [ERROR] Fatal error: Please read "Security" section of the manual to find out how to run mysql as root |
| [22:34:24] | |Torg|: | roelof81: did you go edit the my.cnf file and ensure it set as a user OTHER then root, to a user called mysql like Kalijawan said? |
| [22:35:30] | Tamale: | can someone help me fix my fonts for firefox and opera in ubuntu? they look awful after my install of the mythtv package |
| [22:37:58] | |Torg|: | Tamale: fonts are an X11 thing, other then the fact mythtv uses them it does not change any of them |
| [22:38:24] | |Torg|: | not knowing what that package did other then installing the binaries I really can not see how a package for myth can effect your fonts |
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| [22:38:51] | |Torg|: | look at your installed fonts, the dpi size of your monitor and what your font section of your xorg.conf says |
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| [22:43:53] | Tamale: | |Torg| that's exactly what i'm trying to find out. what in the ubuntu package for mythtv would've change my fonts? |
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| [22:46:32] | Tamale: | i have no font section in xorg.conf |
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| [22:53:39] | at0m|c: | hi, since i've changed uid and gid of the mythtv user -they were all different on different machines- and i've done a "find / -uid [old uid]", i cant watch tv anymore and i'm unable to see tv listings. cannot watch recordings either. anyone have an idea what can be wrong? |
| [22:54:35] | at0m|c: | kicked the old analog tv out last week, since all was running so well eh |
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| [22:58:27] | JohnQ: | Yikes... something went hinkey in my mythtv machine... I did an apt-get upgrade, and now I cant watch live TV. When I press the "Watch TV" item, the screen goes black for about 3 seconds and then returns me to the menu. I dont see anything that looks like an error in the logs of the fron or back end. any ideas? |
| [22:59:09] | Toxicity999: | Can someone explain the fricking "slingbox" to me? Woot has them for for 70$ refurbed, can it do anything I can't do with ssh/mythweb? |
| [23:00:44] | iamlindoro: | Well you can't watch live TV in mythweb... not directly, anyway... But you could, presuming adequate bandwidth and low bitrates, do mythfrontend over the internet. |
| [23:01:27] | Toxicity999: | Well is there any inclination for me to buy one? I mean it must need some kind of integration with the AV gear to play things, prbably doesn't fly with myth. |
| [23:01:28] | iamlindoro: | Theoretically you could set a currently-on show to record in mythweb and immediately watch the recording with the flash streamer in SVN |
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| [23:02:03] | Toxicity999: | There are hacks to watch "live TV" though with the hardware encoding, saving, and on the fly flv encoding, it's not live at all. |
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| [23:02:35] | iamlindoro: | Toxicity999: That's exactly what you do with the Mythweb flash player in SVN |
| [23:02:36] | Toxicity999: | Does it just IR Blast and recieve video input or something? |
| [23:02:37] | JohnQ: | Here's the contents of my logs: http://pastebin.ca/839267 Nothing liiks like an error to me. Maybe you have better eyes? |
| [23:03:27] | iamlindoro: | Toxicity999: Yes, that's what the slingbox does |
| [23:03:38] | iamlindoro: | and encodes for internet streaming |
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| [23:04:04] | Toxicity999: | So it's basically a glorified, IR Blasting video streaming unit? |
| [23:04:25] | Toxicity999: | I don't think I could justify 70$ on that O_o |
| [23:04:27] | iamlindoro: | Yes |
| [23:04:57] | Toxicity999: | Plus the player doesn't work natively in linux, looks like it plays with wine though, so I'd have to use the Web UI or wine. |
| [23:05:23] | Toxicity999: | though it seems like it would be something fun to play with.... I'm never far enough away to need to do it. |
| [23:07:18] | JohnQ: | Which half is doing the work when you watch live tv? Or is it both, just like playing a show while recording it? |
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| [23:09:21] | Toxicity999: | JohnQ the backend, with the tuner does most of the "work" but the frontend is just playing a dumped video. |
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| [23:10:07] | JohnQ: | Its odd. I can record shows.. and play recorded (and recording) shows... but I cant watch live tv. I'm not sure what would be different. |
| [23:12:26] | Toxicity999: | not much really, to the frontend it's all the same except for the flag of what you're doing |
| [23:12:40] | JohnQ: | Hence my confusion :-) |
| [23:13:58] | |Torg|: | Tamale: sorry I was on the phone, use dpkg -L <pacakge> to see what files it installed. |
| [23:14:43] | JohnQ: | Wow... It's the "Show the program guide when starting Live TV" option. with that checked, it fails. With ut unchecked, it works. (And I *can* bring up the program guide from the menu once it is playing) Any ideas here? |
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| [23:19:33] | DustyBin: | http://www.tech.co.uk/computing/upgrades-and- . . . t-skystar-hd |
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| [23:30:03] | roothorick: | is there a way to make mythtv-setup use a bigger font? I can'tt read a thing |
| [23:30:16] | roothorick: | oh, this is better |
| [23:30:26] | roothorick: | or not |
| [23:31:09] | Cackette: | Does anyone know what constitutes using the a64 build instead of the i386 build? |
| [23:31:25] | Staticwave_Ace: | having an a64? |
| [23:31:43] | Cackette: | so if i have an AMD Athlon 64 3000+, i should use the a64 build |
| [23:31:43] | cafuego: | Cackette: x86_64 versus ia32. |
| [23:31:50] | Cackette: | someone said "depends" when i asked |
| [23:31:50] | cafuego: | Cackette: Not really, no. |
| [23:32:07] | cafuego: | Cackette: If you're setting up a desktop machine, you're better off sticking with 32bit. |
| [23:32:07] | Cackette: | so what should i use |
| [23:32:15] | cafuego: | (i386, that is) |
| [23:32:23] | Cackette: | i'm about to do mythtv |
| [23:32:26] | Cackette: | on mythbuntu |
| [23:32:29] | cafuego: | i386 then |
| [23:32:34] | roothorick: | Cackette: depends on your CPU; if it has AMD64/EMT64T instructions, you want a64. Anything older than that, x86 |
| [23:32:42] | ** cafuego runs that (i386) on a 2800+ ** | |
| [23:33:05] | Cackette: | wow, mythbuntu has a fast server |
| [23:33:07] | cafuego: | Cackette: There are still issues with some of the video codecs and transcode tools on amd64. |
| [23:33:11] | Cackette: | maxes my connection |
| [23:33:41] | roothorick: | where's the font size option in mythtv-setup? |
| [23:34:13] | JohnQ: | Dangit. My "Program Guide" JumpPoint works, but the "Live TV in Guide" does not... what's up with this? |
| [23:34:15] | iamlindoro: | roothorick: It's not in mythtv-setup... it's in mythfrontend |
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| [23:34:40] | roothorick: | gah |
| [23:35:03] | Toxicity999: | Think I should go for this to replace my Desktops 7300GT? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150245 |
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| [23:35:37] | cafuego: | is the 7300 not working? |
| [23:35:50] | JohnQ: | Can anyone else tell me if jumping directly to the guide in live tv works for them at all? |
| [23:35:56] | roothorick: | laaaaame |
| [23:36:00] | Toxicity999: | No it works, I just want to upgrade anyway. And the 7300 would go in my mythbox |
| [23:36:01] | roothorick: | crashed my HTPC |
| [23:36:11] | iamlindoro: | JohnQ: Yes, I have it mapped to a key, and in turn mapped to a remote button... works fine |
| [23:36:22] | Toxicity999: | And having DX10 instruction for the new OpenGL would be nice |
| [23:36:26] | cafuego: | looks like it would generate more heat. heat is bad :-) |
| [23:36:30] | iamlindoro: | Or do you mean when going immediately into TV |
| [23:36:43] | cafuego: | Toxicity999: oh, you use windows on the desktop? |
| [23:36:47] | Toxicity999: | No. |
| [23:36:49] | JohnQ: | Going immediately from the menu to the guide in live tv mode |
| [23:36:56] | cafuego: | Games? |
| [23:37:11] | iamlindoro: | Tested... yes |
| [23:37:18] | Cackette: | i was really surprised when i found out that my pcHDTV HD-5500 couldn't be setup to get all of my channels at the same time, turns out i need a 2nd tuner card |
| [23:37:25] | iamlindoro: | That's on Today's SVN |
| [23:37:25] | Toxicity999: | I have a ton of wine games which I hack into perfection. But the new openGL instructions use DX10 GPUs |
| [23:37:49] | cafuego: | Aaaah |
| [23:37:52] | ** cafuego doesn't game ** | |
| [23:38:06] | JohnQ: | Dang. Something is not working for me there, but I cant seem to find any indication of what is going wrong. |
| [23:38:08] | cafuego: | an i915 would do me, if it weren't for google earth |
| [23:38:12] | Toxicity999: | iamlindoro I haven't updated trunk in awhile, does the global jump for Guide still reset liveTV when you're already watching it? |
| [23:38:18] | Cackette: | i need a new cable splitter too, so i can triple split the cable |
| [23:38:24] | Cackette: | TV, HD tuner, tuner |
| [23:38:34] | Toxicity999: | Like When I'm in LiveTV, press Guide, it as of now, reloads LiveTV and opens the guide. |
| [23:38:35] | iamlindoro: | Toxicity999: Honestly, I so seldom use it that I'm not sure |
| [23:38:54] | JohnQ: | Toxicity999: if I get mine working, I'll let you know :-) |
| [23:39:13] | Toxicity999: | I'll just update my trunk build sometime later. |
| [23:39:17] | iamlindoro: | I'll go test again |
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| [23:40:29] | iamlindoro: | Toxicity999: No, continues same TV stream |
| [23:40:53] | Toxicity999: | Cool. |
| [23:41:30] | JohnQ: | Interesting. That fails for me, so I had assumed it would reset the live tv stream |
| [23:42:14] | Toxicity999: | I'm so torn... i'm going ot have about 100$ left after my main purchase... Do I want a new hard drive (I only have 250gb in my desktop now), a new graphics card (and then have the 7300Gt for my mythbox replacing an old MX420) Or do I want to save up for a new monitor, which I would be close to? (On a 15" 1024 screen now) |
| [23:42:19] | Toxicity999: | Uuuuugh, this is harrrd. |
| [23:42:20] | iamlindoro: | JohnQ: What version are you running |
| [23:43:00] | JohnQ: | 0.20.20070821–1 |
| [23:43:13] | iamlindoro: | Ah, *lots* has changed since then |
| [23:43:20] | iamlindoro: | That's .20.2 |
| [23:43:27] | rooaus: | Toxicity999: Do you jump to guide from livetv using the guide jump point? |
| [23:43:51] | JohnQ: | Topic says 20.2 is the latest stable. |
| [23:44:07] | iamlindoro: | It is latest stable |
| [23:44:16] | Toxicity999: | right The LiveTV guide point or something IIRC, if there were a general just ope the guide on top of what I am jump point it'd be better for me. |
| [23:44:59] | Toxicity999: | Or Is there? I set up keys in a hurry. |
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| [23:46:31] | rooaus: | There is a patch that I hope will make 0.21 that uses the livetv guide etc when in livetv. So when exiting you return to livetv. Use v4 from http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3642. |
| [23:46:47] | Toxicity999: | I still have my old recurring issue as well.. |
| [23:46:56] | Toxicity999: | Namely random speed ups and audio drop out in playback |
| [23:47:13] | Toxicity999: | Whether xvmc, or not. |
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| [23:48:56] | JohnQ: | I cant imagine how Watching live tv and bringing up the guide separately can be much different than doing them together. |
| [23:49:21] | JohnQ: | and yet.... one works.. and one does not. Frustrating. |
| [23:49:29] | Toxicity999: | You say that a lot today, and yet they happen =P |
| [23:49:44] | rooaus: | Not sure about that one... seems an odd problem. Does "Use video as timebase" change the behaviour? |
| [23:50:06] | Toxicity999: | doesn't seem to. |
| [23:50:11] | Toxicity999: | though it's completely random |
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| [23:50:43] | JohnQ: | join #mythtv |
| [23:50:45] | JohnQ: | oops |
| [23:50:54] | Toxicity999: | I get a lot of regular Prebuffering Pauses, and "AO: dropping back audio_buffer_unused" |
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| [23:55:48] | roothorick: | uhh... do I have to sign up for schedules direct to get mythtv working? |
| [23:57:09] | sinthetek: | root: most reliable and best way, afaik |
| [23:57:30] | roothorick: | I'd just as soon not shell out... |
| [23:57:33] | sinthetek: | well, not to watch tv, just to view/use schedule |
| [23:58:35] | sinthetek: | in order to use the scheduling/prioritization type functionality of tv, it needs guide information... but you can just watch tv with it if you wanna use tvguide.com all the time or find an alternative scheduling service etc |
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| [23:59:41] | roothorick: | right now I'm focusing on trying to pull video out of my cable box |
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