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Monday, December 24th, 2007, 00:04 UTC
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[00:08:49] eigma: I have a collection of videos on a remote server; I want to be able to browser and stream these videos on-demand. because of bandwidth restrictions, I need the server to transcode the video I'm watching to a lower bitrate. I also want to remotely be able to pause, seek, etc.; would a MythTV backend-frontend configuration work for this purpose? in other words, is the stream between the backend and the frontend the t
[00:09:52] benben: paste the bit from "in other words.." again
[00:10:54] eigma: is the stream between the mythtv backend and the frontend the transcoded stream or the original captured (or from-file) stream?
[00:11:14] mzb: eigma: try setting up mythtv locally and run gkrellmd on both boxes ... by watching a gkrellm you will see for yourself how much bandwidth is used
[00:11:39] mzb: s/a gkrellm/the gkrellms/
[00:12:24] eigma: btw, the server is Linux and the client is Windows; I'm guessing the frontend can be compiled for Windows, at least under Cygwin?
[00:12:31] mzb: afaict the streamed data is the transcoded one
[00:12:40] mzb: eigma: I've heard there's a M$ client
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[00:14:06] ** J-e-f-f-A just prefers to share the directory with Samba and use VLC to play back myth stuff from windoze. **
[00:15:34] GreyFoxx: eigma: Yes and no in the last couple weeks some patches have come forth to compile myth svn trunk under windows, but few people have them working (mingw not cygwin)
[00:15:52] GreyFoxx: and they are by no means anything but experimental at this point
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[00:18:03] eigma: I've been getting away with VLC streaming and a transcode filter, but it's pretty inconvenient for many reasons
[00:18:40] eigma: okay, I looked at my files
[00:18:41] J-e-f-f-A: eigma: Why transcoding?
[00:18:47] eigma: yep, was about to answer that
[00:18:48] eigma: :)
[00:28:09] clever: mythweb has a flash player
[00:28:15] clever: and transcodes to flv on the server end
[00:28:42] clever: and mythweb can stream the raw nuv/mpg or give off an asx stream
[00:28:48] eigma: the files are encoded at 123 kbytes/s, but my available bandwidth is about 60 kbytes
[00:29:04] clever: yeah thats the main problem
[00:29:13] clever: i was away from home for a few weeks once
[00:29:18] eigma: I can manage live MPEG-4 on the server (2 GHz Xeon).. can't do H264 though
[00:29:33] eigma: clever: yep, that's exactly it.. i'm away from home for the holidays
[00:29:36] clever: i spent 3 hours transfering a 1 hour show over the whole internet
[00:29:45] clever: then i tricked my local frontend to play it
[00:29:52] clever: with a remote mysql and master server
[00:30:06] clever: parts lagged but commflaging still worked
[00:30:13] eigma: what is commflaging?
[00:30:26] clever: it automaticaly finds and marks the comercials
[00:30:35] clever: then you can skip over them with 1 key press
[00:30:37] eigma: ah
[00:30:43] clever: or even cut them out completely
[00:30:52] J-e-f-f-A: ...or automatically...
[00:31:02] clever: i dont trust it that much:P
[00:31:34] J-e-f-f-A: Maybe not the cutting, but leaving them there and letting the frontend skip them automatically...
[00:31:42] clever: yeah
[00:31:57] clever: but even thn its off by over 60 seconds right now
[00:32:05] clever: and seeking itself is broken to peices
[00:32:21] clever: seektable claims the file is 44mins long
[00:32:28] clever: everything else claims its an hour
[00:32:34] J-e-f-f-A: really? I find mine are usually like 99% accurate, except for the commercial at the end of the program, it likes to skip the last 60 seconds of the show after the last commercial break...
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[00:32:57] clever: i suspect my seek problems are messing the comflaging up
[00:33:20] ** J-e-f-f-A but maybe that's because I use hardware encoders (Hauppauge PVR cards), and MPEG2... **
[00:33:27] squish102: i automatically cut commercials out
[00:33:36] clever: frame grabber here
[00:33:46] squish102: so far i havnt notice any of the show being cut
[00:33:47] clever: i beleive its configured for 1100 bitrate in mpeg4
[00:33:56] clever: and because of the bitrate doubling bug im actualy getting 2200
[00:34:17] eigma: hmm, I really like the Mythweb integration with SWFPlayer, but as far as I can see it's not live transcoding; it only transcodes programs to flv when it records them.. does that make sense?
[00:34:50] clever: it transcodes when you try to play
[00:34:57] clever: the problem is it transcodes every time you play
[00:35:02] clever: so theres no caching
[00:35:08] clever: and seeking is broken
[00:35:22] squish102: can any1 tell me if they can go http:\\backend-ip:6544
[00:35:33] clever: and my ffmpeg segfaults when transcoding nuv files which i hacked up a fix to
[00:35:35] squish102: mythweb tells me it cannot access it
[00:35:47] eigma: squish: perhaps you need forward slashes: /
[00:35:49] clever: http://192.168.1.60:6544/ works fine for me but is prettymuch readonly
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[00:36:03] squish102: opps typo, i mean forward
[00:36:17] squish102: ok... i have a problem then.. thanks
[00:36:35] ** squish102 wonders wtf he just screwed up **
[00:36:38] clever: check that the backend is running
[00:36:57] squish102: ya it is running, but i did a stupid thing on ubuntu and updated
[00:37:02] eigma: I'd still like to find a solution that transcodes *as* I'm watching.. no problem if it transcodes every time, but I don't want to wait for it to transcode the entire thing before watching it; I also don't want to have to transcode everything ahead of time
[00:37:40] J-e-f-f-A: eigma: I used to use MythStreamTV – but haven't worked on setting it up on my SVN install...
[00:37:59] eigma: I'll look into it, thanks
[00:38:19] J-e-f-f-A: eigma: I have been thinking about putting a 'Stream Now' button on my recording screen, perhaps with a few different 'preset' qualities.
[00:38:39] eigma: oooh, interesting
[00:39:05] J-e-f-f-A: eigma: I don't think MythStreamTV has been updatedated since .19, but I did have it working on my .20.0 install... You may have to 'hack' it a bit to get it working on .20.2
[00:40:21] J-e-f-f-A: eigma: But it's basically just a plugin for Mythweb that kicked off scripts to use VLC to transcode/stream...
[00:41:47] squish102: i really really miss MythStreamTV
[00:41:55] eigma: maybe there's something else (non-mythtv) out there better suited for this? :S
[00:41:58] ** J-e-f-f-A -- ugh, I guess my cheap MB I bought for a slave b/e with a Semperon 2800 isn't 64-bit... Oh well... **
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[00:43:36] J-e-f-f-A: eigma: I had modified my mythweb install to have a few less 'pages' to get a recording streamed... I didn't like the 'standard' mythstreamtv setup that much. If I can get my brain around how to do diffs for changes I make, I can submit stuff to xris to possibly include in mythweb...
[00:44:41] J-e-f-f-A: eigma: ^^ note- the modifications to mythweb were pertaining to mythstreamtv, and integrating it better.
[00:44:47] eigma: I see
[00:45:24] J-e-f-f-A: gee... can VLC be 'told' to use the commercial cutlist?
[00:46:12] eigma: grrrrr why is this so complicated :\
[00:46:39] eigma: I may just give up and set up some crazy custom flv streaming solution
[00:47:28] J-e-f-f-A: eigma: That exists already in .20.2 ...
[00:47:47] eigma: with on-the-fly transcoding?
[00:48:09] J-e-f-f-A: eigma: Umm... I thought so... I could be wrong though... (anyone else know?)
[00:48:29] mchou: eigma: I dont understand why flv
[00:48:58] mchou: eigma: that's invariably the worst choice
[00:49:03] eigma: very cross-platform, and empirically I like the video quality
[00:49:08] mchou: lol
[00:49:25] mchou: video quality in flv??
[00:49:26] ** J-e-f-f-A ugh. Ubuntu 64-bit doesn't like my Semperon 2800+... Oh well, d/l the 32 bit now... **
[00:49:37] eigma: what do you prefer?
[00:49:51] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: not all sempys are 64bit capable
[00:50:02] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: Yeah, I gave it a shot... ;-)
[00:50:12] mchou: eigma: truthfully? anything except flv
[00:50:22] CIDR: I could switch to 64 bit on my core 2 duo, but I don't really think it's worth the hassle.
[00:50:51] eigma: CIDR: same here
[00:50:55] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: Just setting up a small slave backend to test a new tuner without 'goofing' up my main backend... And probably use my other two USB HD tuners with...
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[00:51:08] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: you could just have done a 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' to tell you whether it was 64 bit capable :)
[00:51:40] aarcane: Herro, I have a mediocre issue.. Mythtv menus are reallllly slow, and they're peaking my CPU usage at 100%.
[00:51:48] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: Well, if I booted on a live cd or something... this is a brand new system.... Not even in a case atm... just on my desk. ;-)
[00:51:49] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: that would have been true even if you were running 32 bit
[00:52:02] aarcane: as I move the cursor around or select a menu item, the interface freezes and the CPU usage is maxed..
[00:52:22] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: well, I was hoping to save you a future download :)
[00:52:33] aarcane: what could be wrong, so I can fix it :)
[00:52:39] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: sempys are still sold?
[00:52:59] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: Ah who cares, it's only bandwidth... and I'm fortunate to have FiOS – 15Mbps down... ;-) It's already burning to disc... ;-)
[00:53:09] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: I havent been following the market
[00:53:40] mchou: I thought sempys are eol, no?
[00:53:55] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: I got the motherboard with cpu/fan/heatsink for like $75 a few months ago. It was never intended to be for a 'real' machine, just as a slave backend or a quiet frontend...
[00:54:33] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: is this off fleabay or a real store?
[00:54:50] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: At Micro Center.
[00:54:53] mchou: lol
[00:55:06] mchou: ok, answers that question :)
[00:55:22] mchou: microcenter and their obsolescent stock
[00:55:31] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: It's a pos PC Chips MB, but at least it's got AGP, PCIx16 and 2pci slots...
[00:55:55] mchou: what kind of socket is the CPU?
[00:56:14] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: It's just a 754
[00:56:24] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: ok
[00:56:48] mchou: running a 754 myself on my be
[00:57:11] J-e-f-f-A: Nothing special... yeah, I'm running an AMD 64 X2 4600+ S754 on my current be too...
[00:57:14] mchou: 5pci slots and 1 AGP slot
[00:57:36] mchou: only reason I have it
[00:58:02] mchou: stuff'd to the gills with old PCI :)
[00:58:51] CIDR: Yeah
[00:58:56] CIDR: Hard to find boards with alot of PCI
[00:59:03] mchou: none of that useless PCI-E crap :)
[00:59:06] CIDR: Wish there was more usb support
[00:59:11] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: Mine has 4pci, 1 PCIx16 and 1PCIx1 – It's full with 4 tuners (PVR-500, PVR-250, HD-3000, HD-5500), the video card and a PCIx1 Firewire card. (Cheap MB didn't have Firewire)
[01:00:03] ** J-e-f-f-A cheers — the Ubuntu 32-bit disc is done burning... ;-) **
[01:00:11] mchou: CIDR: more usb support? what u mean by that?
[01:00:36] mchou: CIDR: if it even has 1 usb, you're golden
[01:00:53] mchou: CIDR: just use a usb hub :)
[01:01:24] mchou: CIDR: unless you mean usb tuners
[01:02:14] CIDR: usb tuners
[01:02:20] CIDR: Can't find a supported USB HD tuner
[01:02:58] mchou: CIDR: just get HDHomerun man
[01:03:09] CIDR: I'll check it out
[01:03:10] J-e-f-f-A: CIDR: Don't try to put a USB HD tuner on a box with other tuners.... There are drivers out there, but when I tried it (about a year ago), it broke all my other tuners (yikes).
[01:03:37] J-e-f-f-A: At least the ones based on the same chipset as the HVR-950...
[01:03:40] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: what exactly happened there?
[01:03:48] CIDR: hmmmm
[01:04:01] eigma: J-e-f-f-A: I can't find any reference to "flash" in mythweb 0.20.2 :(
[01:04:05] J-e-f-f-A: mchou: The HVR-950's worked partially, but my other tuners didn't
[01:04:26] CIDR: so hdhomerun will do it?
[01:04:36] mchou: J-e-f-f-A: was that because of firmware?
[01:04:37] J-e-f-f-A: eigma: Humm.. maybe I got it mixed up with svn? (sorry if that's the case, I thought it was in .20.2...
[01:04:42] mchou: CIDR: do what?
[01:04:47] eigma: np, I'll check out svn
[01:05:06] CIDR: The hdhomerun works with linux?
[01:05:09] CIDR: gonna go check out the wiki
[01:05:17] CIDR: oh it's not usb
[01:05:20] J-e-f-f-A: CIDR: Yes --
[01:05:23] mchou: CIDR: it works with myth
[01:05:30] J-e-f-f-A: CIDR: Yes it is USB...
[01:05:47] eigma: are there any snapshots available?
[01:05:48] J-e-f-f-A: CIDR: Oops, sorry, it's network.
[01:05:49] mchou: Forget USB. ethernet
[01:05:56] CIDR: yeah
[01:06:07] mchou: ethernet FTW
[01:06:16] CIDR: Hmm
[01:06:20] CIDR: dual tuner too huh?
[01:06:24] mchou: yup
[01:06:31] mchou: even does QAM
[01:06:48] mchou: but dont quote me on that
[01:07:43] CIDR: it does
[01:07:46] CIDR: It's worth it then
[01:07:46] mchou: too bad they cheaped out on the plastic
[01:07:52] CIDR: 2 HD 5500's would cost me more
[01:08:06] CIDR: now I can do my cable, and over the air
[01:08:17] CIDR: Wish there was a usb dvb-s solution
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[01:08:37] mchou: CIDR: what did I just tell you??
[01:08:49] mchou: Forget usb. ethernet FTW!
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[01:09:36] mchou: wtf??
[01:09:59] mchou: silicondust home page is powered by trac??
[01:10:07] mchou: lol
[01:10:34] mchou: how often does their home page need to change?
[01:10:55] CIDR: where's a ethernet dvb-s ?
[01:11:34] mchou: CIDR: Do I have to tell you everything?
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[01:12:58] eigma: oooh! I could run, say, Windows Media Services inside a VM
[01:13:23] mchou: eigma: wtf??
[01:14:17] CIDR: mchou yeah, it seems.
[01:14:21] eigma: it'll support seeking and it'll "just work"
[01:14:37] CIDR: and it'll be dog ass slow inside of a vm
[01:14:48] eigma: not really..
[01:15:01] mchou: eigma: dude. since when does windows media "just work"??
[01:15:25] eigma: hehehe.. I *have* never tried, but I'm guessing WMS to WMP behaves better than VLC to WMP, for instance
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[01:16:08] mchou: part of the reason you didnt see windows MCE "work" was because Windows media sucked at seeking
[01:16:18] eigma: MCE?
[01:16:33] mchou: eigma: google
[01:16:59] eigma: hm, I see
[01:17:08] eigma: WMP does indeed suck at seeking :\
[01:18:26] mchou: sigh...
[01:18:32] mchou: this is the shits
[01:19:06] eigma: clever: so how did you end up streaming your stuff from home?
[01:19:13] mchou: it's faster to clone a system than have to deal with all the upgrades
[01:19:26] clever: eigma: 90% of my streaming is to mythfrontend
[01:19:48] clever: allmost every pc with the cpu power to be a frontend IS a frontend:P
[01:20:01] clever: either dualbooting or netbooting
[01:20:33] clever: but i can also stream thru mythweb to vlc or mplayer on winblows
[01:20:51] clever: and im rarely outside of the house so i dont stream often thru the dsl
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[01:36:14] torrent: I need help getting mythtv to recognize my video4linux2 driver I installed
[01:36:17] torrent: any help?
[01:36:22] torrent: I'm using mythbuntu
[01:36:36] torrent: I can't seem to set my video card up again.
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[01:41:58] torrent: I have a WinFast TV2000 XP Expert TV Tuner
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[01:42:42] torrent: It works great in Kubuntu with one app that lets you watch it. In mythubuntu you can either hear static or watch the shows
[01:42:48] torrent: myth tv is out of the question
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[01:43:06] torrent: because it won't recognize the video4linux2 drivers and wont let me set it up
[01:49:50] squish102: can i delete cardid 1 and 2 from 'capturecard'
[01:50:03] squish102: they not valid, and cardid 3 and 4 are valid
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[01:51:19] Anduin: squish102: backend restart needed, but yes, if everything match, they don't need to be contiguous
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[01:52:52] squish102: thanks
[01:55:50] J-e-f-f-A: torrent: If mythtv is out of the question, then you're in the wrong channel...
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[02:19:54] squish102: any1 know how to crop a HD signal that has bars on left and right and drop it to 720 x 480?
[02:20:21] squish102: im wondering if i can change the crop in nuvexport
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[02:48:03] justdave: all this time I'd been blaming it on a crappy hard drive and it turns out the nfs driver on Edgy apparently just sucked.
[02:48:58] justdave: getting files onto and off of the mythtv box from elsewhere in the house is actually not painful now. :)
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[03:06:37] Kernel: hmm i filed a tv listing error on schedule direct and they emailed me back and asked for the callsigns and old and new schedule...i dont realy know what the callsigns are and i cant find a old schedule...anyone have any ideas on this?....
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[03:43:41] pat_: merry christmmas eve
[03:43:56] pat_: it'll be a drunken blur from now for another 48 hours or so
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[04:19:41] Anduin: Kernel: You should see the callsigns in he program guide (or, you can), also in the channel table.
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[06:07:57] pteague: ivtv.sf.net link needs to be changed to http://ivtvdriver.org/
[06:12:37] pteague: i like the new howto, but i'm not seeing it mention anything on 64-bit... ?
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[06:21:49] iamlindoro_: pteague: what in particular would you like referenced re: 64 bit? The install steps are to the very last identical regardless of 32 or 64 bit
[06:23:06] pteague: i've got an amd athlon 64 3200... was wondering whether i should install 32-bit or 64-bit... wasn't sure which way to go...
[06:24:19] iamlindoro_: Won't affect Myth either way
[06:24:35] mchou: pteague: you gonna surf the web with this machine?
[06:24:52] pteague: it will be just a backend
[06:25:02] iamlindoro_: mchou has a point... only if you need the flash plugin will bit count mater
[06:25:06] iamlindoro_: er matter
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[06:25:28] iamlindoro_: for just a backend, all the same
[06:25:29] pteague: hmm... which actually surfs? the front end or the backend?
[06:25:46] mchou: pteague: the human surfs
[06:25:51] pteague: hehe
[06:25:57] mchou: machines dont surf
[06:26:03] iamlindoro_: frontend, if you are using mythbrowser
[06:26:07] pteague: k
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[06:26:35] mchou: flash isnt the only thing that matters
[06:26:54] mchou: plenty of codecs 32-bit only too
[06:27:06] mchou: when in doubt, install 32
[06:27:10] pteague: k
[06:27:35] iamlindoro_: Have *never* found a file I couldn't play on 64 bit build with up to date mplayer and w64codecs
[06:27:44] mchou: lol
[06:28:10] mchou: there are plenty of files that dont play on 32 bit, never mind 64
[06:28:14] iamlindoro_: pteague: you're probably safe with 64 bit, mchou likes to argue and try to show how smart he is
[06:28:35] mchou: argue my ass
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[06:28:50] iamlindoro_: aaaaand my point is made
[06:29:15] mchou: there is absolutely nothing wrong with taking conservative route when it comes to codecs
[06:29:35] iamlindoro_: pteague: really, do either, plenty of people with perfectly working setups on both... just do what you feel comfortable with
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[06:30:22] mchou: as if mplayer plays ever format known to man correctly
[06:30:52] mchou: ever try to player realpayer smil playlist?
[06:31:03] mchou: realplayer*
[06:31:08] mchou: choke!
[06:31:20] iamlindoro_: plays every format I've ever thrown at it... maybe it lack support for some obscure crap, but that hardly prevents one from having a completely functional myth system
[06:31:39] mchou: iamlindoro_: I asked you a simple question
[06:31:54] iamlindoro_: I'm under no obligation to answer your questions
[06:32:00] iamlindoro_: and realplayer is shit
[06:32:13] mchou: lol
[06:32:26] pteague: any suggestion for a front end mini-itx board? guess i should play dvds via the backend though?
[06:32:28] iamlindoro_: anyone who gives half a crap about their video doesn't deal with it... and I certainly won't
[06:32:40] mchou: it's not shit if as an example pteague wants to listen to NPR
[06:33:15] iamlindoro_: You mean like the ones that are available in both mp3 and wma? Ah yes, those...
[06:33:25] mchou: iamlindoro_: my point is made. you cant deal with facts
[06:33:30] iamlindoro_: http://www.npr.org/audiohelp/progstream.html
[06:33:31] pteague: not really on my list of things to listen to... i may on ocassion when there's nothing else to listen to except country out in the middle of no where ;)
[06:33:36] iamlindoro_: available in mp3 and wma
[06:33:42] iamlindoro_: what facts can't I deal with?
[06:33:51] mchou: iamlindoro_: haha, you ever try to seek inside NPRs wma stream?
[06:34:12] iamlindoro_: and what's your objection to MP3, besides it's interfering with your douchery?
[06:34:42] iamlindoro_: Which, btw, I just pulled up and seeked in
[06:34:47] mchou: mp3 are only archives
[06:35:00] mchou: Sorry, real time crap
[06:35:18] mchou: you cant listen to specific programs with it on NPR
[06:35:37] mchou: i.e. a real time stream
[06:35:53] mchou: those apparently are the facts you cant deal with
[06:36:03] iamlindoro_: And how is that different from either other format?
[06:36:09] iamlindoro_: go ahead and show me the links, partner
[06:36:32] pteague: is the hauppage pvr-500 the dual-tuner?
[06:36:37] iamlindoro_: pteague: yes
[06:37:08] mchou: iamlindoro_: Suppose you are only interested in the program "all things Considered"
[06:37:34] mchou: you want to listen to it a your leisure.
[06:37:46] pteague: suggest i get it with or without the remote if i'm going to use a separate front end?
[06:37:47] mchou: NPR doesnt offer that in mp3
[06:38:05] mchou: or any other program for that matter
[06:38:19] mchou: only the live feed is mp3
[06:49:06] iamlindoro_: pteague: you can use the remote wherever, not just on the system with the pvr-500... so if you're going to want a remote on the frontend, might as well get it with the card, as the mce one is quite nice
[06:49:20] mzb_d800: anybody got a Leadtek Winfast card? I've just got a DTV1000T (DVB-T) which also has S-Video ... just wondering how|if the S-Video input works: will the card give mpeg2 output from S-Video capture, and can I use that at the same time as the DVB?
[06:49:39] mzb_d800: btw: DTV1000T seems to work fine in a Xen domU
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[06:53:03] iamlindoro_: mzb: I expect that it works as a framegrabber when using the S-video (since the DVB-T functionality would never require encoding)
[06:53:21] mzb_d800: that's what I figured
[06:53:42] mzb_d800: do you reckon that I'd be able to use it at the same time as the dvb function though?
[06:53:56] iamlindoro_: Hmm, Probably not
[06:54:36] mzb_d800: not a real issue ... just would have been nice (in theory)
[06:54:41] iamlindoro_: yeah
[06:54:58] mzb_d800: next problem would have been audio input ... never succeeded in Xen domU with that anyway
[06:55:31] iamlindoro_: easy to test though... when you plug it in you should get a /dev/dvb and a /dev/video... start a dvb record, then try to cat the /dev/video to a file and see what happens
[06:55:42] mzb_d800: just happy to have two dvb tuners (that work well) ... using multirec so it's now 2 x 2 tuners (kinda)
[06:55:47] iamlindoro_: My guess is it will choke :)
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[06:56:04] mzb_d800: yeah ... good idea ... I'll check
[06:56:08] iamlindoro_: or, I guess, 2 x however many streams in the multiplex
[06:56:33] iamlindoro_: but multiplexes suck where I live... I could record one useful show and some crap weather channel
[06:56:38] iamlindoro_: belch
[06:56:40] iamlindoro_: er blech
[06:56:41] iamlindoro_: haha
[06:57:58] iamlindoro_: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/LR6650 looks to be the chipset list for your card... no mention of an MPEG-2 encoder, so at the very least it's a framegrabber outside of DVB functionality
[06:58:28] mzb_d800: yes
[06:58:35] mzb_d800: (re streams)
[06:58:42] mzb_d800: (not many here;)
[06:58:59] mzb_d800: cat /dev/video0 > /dev/null
[06:59:06] iamlindoro_: yeah, bummer... some of the dvb-s multiplexes seem pretty sweet in EU
[06:59:07] mzb_d800: watching dvb off that tuner now
[06:59:30] mzb_d800: transports here are usually SD + HD
[06:59:36] mzb_d800: but there are some with more
[07:00:02] mzb_d800: ie. ABC and SBS both have an extra channel, + 2x radio
[07:00:14] iamlindoro_: ah, that's better
[07:00:45] mzb_d800: not sure if cat /dev/video0 does anything
[07:00:58] mzb_d800: no significant CPU usage
[07:01:08] mzb_d800: but doesn't affect DVB, either way
[07:01:26] iamlindoro_: well, you're probably right, I was thinking of that when used on an mpeg-2 encoder card, probably not as simple on a framegrabber
[07:01:36] iamlindoro_: since you need software to do the work for you
[07:01:41] mzb_d800: I'll see if I can setup the S-Video as an input
[07:01:52] pteague: iamlindoro> k, thanks... i wasn't sure if that'd work or not :)
[07:02:16] iamlindoro_: pteague: yeah... get the MCE edition, the remote is vastly better than the non-mce version
[07:02:22] iamlindoro_: and quite easy to set up
[07:02:25] pteague: hehe
[07:02:46] mzb_d800: I'll send you a beer if you don't want the remote ;)
[07:03:03] iamlindoro_: not to mention, for the MCE it's USB and you can put it anywhere... for the non-mce, you *do* need to plug it into the card
[07:03:25] mzb_d800: (envelope might be a little soggy by the time it gets to you, though;)
[07:03:40] iamlindoro_: I am knees-deep in remotes here lately... have five tuners and only need one remote
[07:03:42] pteague: i want *a* remote, just wasn't sure what i needed... haven't messed with this hardware before, but i'm wanting to... i just don't have to much money atm to be tossing about & discovering it isn't gonna work :)
[07:04:05] iamlindoro_: also, tons of little minijack-input RF receivers, yuck
[07:05:02] iamlindoro_: pteague: almost anything can be *made* to work, but sometimes your blood pressure and hair follicle are worth more than the time and anger spent making it so
[07:05:17] pteague: hehe, exactly :)
[07:05:58] pteague: anybody know which is better, the 8600gt or the 8600gts? i keep getting "i think it's this way", but nobody seems to remember
[07:06:02] iamlindoro_: yeah, so MCE it is
[07:06:23] iamlindoro_: pteague: for myth purposes only... they're really sort of the same
[07:06:43] iamlindoro_: and frankly, if it's for your myth box, don't spend all that money on graphics.. get a cheap 7200 and it'll work just as well
[07:06:59] pteague: yeah, i'm looking at the diff on them for my desktop
[07:07:04] iamlindoro_: or even a 5200
[07:07:20] iamlindoro_: I believe the gts is the higher of the two, but am checking
[07:07:32] iamlindoro_: whoops, looks like it's the gt
[07:08:23] iamlindoro_: yep, gt
[07:08:55] pteague: weird cause it seems like the gts has the gddr3 vs the gt with just the ddr... & i thought (again that unsure thought) that the gddr3 was faster or something
[07:09:09] iamlindoro_: Hang on, let me find that link again
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[07:09:48] iamlindoro_: And, I suppose, there will be some variation amongst those particular models too
[07:10:13] iamlindoro_: Here's first: http://forums.overclockersclub.com/?showtopic=75718
[07:10:25] iamlindoro_: and second: http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.h . . . mp;chart=318
[07:10:26] pteague: yep, i seemed to have found like 3 or 4 different evga 8600 gt with 256mb ram
[07:11:19] iamlindoro_: Erm, whoops, I may have misread you because I was comparing 8800s rather than 8600s
[07:12:06] iamlindoro_: Go to that Tom's Hardware link, that will give you the comparison chart... looks like in the case of the 8600s the gts comes out on top
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[07:13:02] pteague: hmm... on that toms hardware i'm only seeing 2 diff 8600 & both are gts, just difference in ram
[07:13:52] iamlindoro_: 8600 GT is about five down from the last gts
[07:13:59] iamlindoro_: with a 962.0
[07:14:28] pteague: ah, i was looking at the drop down :)
[07:15:30] iamlindoro_: What a ridiculously obfuscated naming scheme...
[07:16:10] iamlindoro_: Although I suppose the idea is to have the consumer look at the $300 card and the $400 card, scratch his head, and go, "Hmmm... this one appears to be $100 better."
[07:16:59] pteague: hehe
[07:22:51] mzb: overkill for a dedicated mythbox?
[07:24:14] iamlindoro_: yeah, for sure... He said that it's not for the mythbox, though
[07:25:05] pteague: iamlindoro> & then you have fun stuff like this... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare. . . . E16814130291
[07:25:12] pteague: superclocked vs ... ?
[07:26:35] iamlindoro_: I prefer my systems not to require the inky, cold blackness of space to operate... I'll just buy my cards a few generations old and get the games that run on them when they hit the bargain bin :)
[07:27:35] pteague: i've not really bought a game (except old ones) in quite a while... the problem is they seem to require more resources on linux than on windows
[07:27:46] iamlindoro_: The workstations in my office all have painfully hot video cards and quad processors for mathematical analysis stuff... Had to install liquid cooling a month or so ago because I would come in some mornings to three or four fried power supplies
[07:27:51] pteague: especially the mmo i play :(
[07:29:32] iamlindoro_: I do occasionally like to play some of my steam stuff via WINE, though... I'm not so obsessed that I need every bump-mapped pixel-mapped auto-fellatio setting, though, so it works out okay for me
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[07:31:03] iamlindoro_: Plus, when I went, "Hey, let's see what this Half-Life thing is all about..." I had HL:S, HL2, and HL2 Ep 1 to play though
[07:42:27] pteague: for our lan partys we tend to play stuff like wolfenstein enemy territory, ut2004, & urban terror... so nothing really new
[07:42:42] orkid: fried power supplies from heat? or pulling too much power?
[07:44:02] iamlindoro_: orkid: Heat, I believe, since they were idle during the night but our building management turns off the AC
[07:44:38] iamlindoro_: so now I log core temperatures at five minute intervals but the liquid cooling appears to have solved the problem
[07:45:08] pteague: i'm guessing i need the nvidia card on the frontend rather than the backend?
[07:45:08] iamlindoro_: Cheaper than continuing to buy more 850W PSUs
[07:45:18] iamlindoro_: pteague: correct
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[07:45:56] iamlindoro_: backend can have any old thing or, after running mythtv-setup, could theoretically have none at all
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[07:51:24] orkid: .. how about a k6–233 with 32megs of ram? :)
[07:52:04] iamlindoro_: orkid: we're speaking specifically about video cards
[07:52:26] orkid: oh
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[07:53:21] pteague: guessing if i go the 5200 route i need to find 1 with the right tv out connector on it
[07:53:35] joobie_: guys anyone know of a good USB dual tuner that will work in AU for myth-tv?
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[07:54:04] iamlindoro_: joobie_: for which standard?
[07:54:39] joobie_: 1080
[07:54:43] iamlindoro_: pteague: well, theoretically, but if it has S-vieo out, you can convert to composite with a cable, and likewise DVI can convert to VGA, Component, or HDMI
[07:54:56] iamlindoro_: joobie_: no, which television standard
[07:54:59] joobie_: doesn't *have* to be dual tuner.. worst case i can buy two
[07:55:02] joobie_: oh
[07:55:05] joobie_: im not sure iamlindoro
[07:55:07] joobie_: im from Australia
[07:55:25] iamlindoro_: ok, so TV via Satellite, over the air, etc?
[07:55:29] pteague: NTSC & PAL are the 2 i'm familiar with (or at least i know the tla...)
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[07:56:13] rooaus: joobie_: DVB-T Pal
[07:56:18] joobie_: ahh k
[07:56:21] iamlindoro_: joobie_ is probably DVB-T or DVB-S
[07:56:28] joobie_: yea DVB-T rings a bell
[07:56:35] iamlindoro_: joobie_: so no Satellite, then?
[07:56:44] iamlindoro_: I believe there is a DVICO Fusion dual tuner
[07:56:50] joobie_: right, no satelite
[07:56:51] pteague: s-video kinda looks like the ps2 connector?
[07:57:00] iamlindoro_: anyway, easiest thing to do is check linuxtv.org
[07:57:01] joobie_: is that USB
[07:57:02] joobie_: ?
[07:57:35] iamlindoro_: joobie_: just check linuxtv.org, in the dvb wiki... then select the dvb-t section and you can see lists of supported cards
[07:58:08] iamlindoro_: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_Devices
[07:58:47] iamlindoro_: That way you can select USB or PCI as you like
[08:00:01] joobie_: hmm
[08:00:04] rooaus: joobie_: Look at http://www.digitalnow.com.au, I have never used them but they seem OK. They indicate if their tuners have Linux support.
[08:00:24] joobie_: ive been looking there rooaus
[08:00:31] joobie_: http://www.eyo.com.au/prod_D-DualUSB_proddesc . . . _softwr.html
[08:00:34] joobie_: at that one in particular
[08:00:58] joobie_: it has a remote in the picture.. jsut not sure if i can change the channel from mythtv rather than using the remote with that model and also if it's fully supported
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[08:01:23] iamlindoro_: use linuxtv as your primary source, as if it's not supported by v4l, it won't work with myth
[08:02:22] joobie_: iamlindoro, the digitalnow ones are not on that website tho
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[08:02:29] pteague: don't need anything special to switch from s-video to composite do you? something like this should work? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812196063
[08:02:49] iamlindoro_: pteague: nope, nothing special, just a simple cable will work
[08:03:24] iamlindoro_: joobie_: some companies write their own linux drivers, but those won't necessarily work with myth, whereas if it's supported by v4l-dvb, it almost certainly will
[08:03:43] iamlindoro_: that's why you shouild make your selection from the list provided at linuxtv.org rather than winging it
[08:04:33] joobie_: ahhh
[08:04:35] joobie_: i see
[08:04:39] rooaus: joobie_: iamlindoro is correct, linuxtv is the authoritative source. :)
[08:04:51] joobie_: can you'll lend a hand with recommending a well known one?
[08:04:58] joobie_: im just after one with dual tuner, and USB
[08:05:06] joobie_: not sure which is the best to pick out of there..
[08:05:09] joobie_: fair few on there
[08:05:13] iamlindoro_: joobie_: perhaps rooaus can look at the list for you, he would have a better idea of what the AU users commonly use
[08:05:40] joobie_: ahh k
[08:05:45] joobie_: rooaus, got a sec?
[08:05:47] iamlindoro_: I've only really recently heard of a couple people using the dvico dual stuff, so it familiar but not necessarily the best
[08:06:16] iamlindoro_: pteague: yes, that adapter would work just fine btw
[08:07:17] joobie_: ahh
[08:07:20] joobie_: wife is on her way
[08:07:22] joobie_: i have to run
[08:07:31] joobie_: thanks for the help – will jump on a bit later in the night
[08:07:35] joobie_: cheers for the link
[08:07:44] iamlindoro_: joobie_: check out the wiki, they will tell you which are well supported, and which are poor
[08:07:54] pteague: now to find a mini-itx board that would work as a frontend =)
[08:07:55] iamlindoro_: can probably get a pretty good idea that way
[08:08:07] joobie_: ok will do
[08:08:09] joobie_: thanks iamlindoro
[08:08:16] rooaus: joobie_: I think there was recent post on the mailing list as well.
[08:08:18] iamlindoro_: no problem
[08:10:13] rooaus: joobie_: I should be around later but may be a bit inebriated by then :D
[08:17:14] pteague: was thinking of going with a via mini-itx, but there's an issue with the via chipset?
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[08:36:10] MilhousePunkRock: Hello everyone!
[08:37:06] MilhousePunkRock: Running a primary backend/frontend on the same machine with the real IP adress as I plan to add other frontends later. The frontend complains it can't connect to the backend. Any thoughts?
[08:44:43] pteague: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121317 + an nvidia 5200 = ok frontend ?
[08:45:07] cesman: MilhousePunkRock: is mysql setup on the backend to listen on the network?
[08:45:27] MilhousePunkRock: cesman: I hope so... I restarted the backend, now it works...
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[08:46:05] cesman: pteague: you're not planning on using the FE for HD are you?
[08:46:19] cesman: if not, looks ok
[08:46:56] pteague: currently i'd be using composite... probably won't get an hdtv until the prices drop quite a bit
[08:48:09] pteague: or my composite dies
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[09:40:23] pteague: how much work am i going to have to do to pxe boot the front end?
[09:46:10] Dibblah: PXE server. NFS server. NFS root capable kernel. Root FS available under the NFS root.
[09:46:23] Dibblah: That's about it.
[09:50:45] cesman: pteague: depends on your distro
[09:50:57] cesman: simply run a script w/ KnoppMyth  ;)
[09:55:59] stuarta: morning all
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[09:57:15] cesman: hello stuarta
[09:57:51] stuarta: cesman: christmas greetings! how are things?
[09:58:34] cesman: good thanks and you?
[09:59:12] stuarta: can't complain
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[09:59:44] stuarta: small matter of being in the office however :(
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[10:01:38] stuarta: on the bright side, soon to be off for much roast dinners :)
[10:03:04] cesman: :)
[10:03:19] ** cesman should be in bed... **
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[10:39:27] Patina: How do I enable the user mythtv to be able to run halt or shutdown?
[10:42:13] clever: im using a tweak to the sudoers file
[10:42:27] clever: so mythtv can sudo halt or sudo shutdown -h now
[10:42:54] clever: to edit it you run 'visudo'
[10:43:13] clever: mythtv ALL=NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown , /sbin/halt , /sbin/reboot
[10:43:35] clever: that like will allow the mythtv username to run those 3 programs thru sudo without a pw
[10:44:16] clever: then in the general settings i just stick sudo before both commands for shutdown and halt
[10:54:54] ** stuarta ponders what hardcore trance would sound like at 1.5x timestretch **
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[10:55:13] doc__: hi there
[10:56:05] clever: stuarta: depends on wether or not your addjusting the freq to make it sound normal
[10:56:18] clever: stuarta: mplayer cant but mythtv can within videos
[10:56:32] stuarta: i use it extensively :)
[10:56:42] clever: which one?
[10:56:49] stuarta: timestretch
[10:56:54] clever: ive also made a tiny c++ program to invert an entire mp3
[10:57:04] clever: so it plays backwards
[10:57:19] stuarta: hehe
[10:57:37] clever: take an mp3 of another language
[10:57:38] clever: flip it over
[10:57:45] clever: now its even harder to understand!
[10:57:46] clever: :P
[10:58:57] clever: ive yet to get arround to fliping over those songs that people claim to have the devils voice in them:P
[10:59:56] stuarta: you can do that with the mp3 editing util.
[11:00:02] ** stuarta tries to remember it's name **
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[11:00:10] stuarta: audacity
[11:00:20] clever: my bit of c++ till use mplayer to dump it as raw pcm data
[11:00:28] clever: read and flip it over byte for byte
[11:00:37] clever: then tell lame to encoder it
[11:01:05] clever: under a page of c++ i had to write
[11:02:29] clever: having cli tools like these on linux helps greatly
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[11:06:51] Patina: clever: Thanks, it was the NOPASSWD: I needed.
[11:06:58] clever: :)
[11:07:44] clever: works great on my netboot frontends
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[11:08:42] Patina: clever: Netboot, you got any details on how to do that?
[11:08:54] clever: i made a rootfs using debootstrap
[11:09:02] clever: changed over to the nfs-kernel-server
[11:09:16] clever: chroot'ed into it to edit the initramfs config and rebuild the initrd
[11:09:28] clever: and tweaked my tftp/dhcp servers so pxelinux would work
[11:09:45] clever: that was about enough to get a login prompt when the system boots
[11:10:09] clever: lo was missing an ip so i copyed its config from /etc/network/interfaces from another box
[11:10:30] clever: then its just basicaly a ubuntu/debian install with 90% of the normal packages missing
[11:10:38] clever: tweak sources.list and apt-get away
[11:11:49] Patina: Well, since I am using debian anyway, maybe I should take a look at debootstrap.
[11:12:02] clever: also
[11:12:08] stuarta: for bonus points
[11:12:11] clever: most of my normal ubuntu installs are 7.10
[11:12:18] clever: and share the mythtv binarys over nfs
[11:12:28] stuarta: work out how to get pxe boot to automatically startup the correct kernel image
[11:12:30] clever: so i didnt need to build/compile the binarys for the thin client
[11:12:50] clever: i had allready partialy done that part months ago for a prebuilt root image
[11:12:59] clever: then gaveup because it was a diff mythtv version
[11:14:03] clever: at first i was keeping it thin so it would use much space
[11:14:15] clever: then i gaveup and stuck half of gnome and firefox and the java plugin in:P
[11:14:40] clever: performs surprisingly well when the nfs server hdd isnt slowed down by a usb hdd in the lvm
[11:15:27] clever: feels odd for the hdd light to not do anything when using the laptop
[11:15:46] clever: more silent too
[11:17:26] clever: but the noise from the cpu/nic becomes alot more noticable
[11:17:38] clever: because of the higher bandwidth usage and lack of hdd noise drowning it out
[11:18:35] Patina: Noise from the nic, what kind of noise?
[11:18:44] clever: high freq noise
[11:18:54] clever: not shure if its the nic itself
[11:19:10] clever: but the freq patern changes based on net bandwidth and idle %
[11:19:20] clever: idling makes more noise then 100% usage
[11:19:37] clever: 1ghz idle is louder then 700mhz idle
[11:19:55] clever: massive io seems to have its own uniq sound
[11:20:30] Patina: I can hear nettraffic too, but that's through the speakers.
[11:20:41] Patina: Don't have a laptop though.
[11:20:55] clever: with the desktop upstairs i can hear the cpu load better if i crank up the speakers
[11:21:11] clever: but this laptop it seems centered arround the corner with the cpu
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[11:41:20] Patina: On the client, what should "Directory that holds videos" be set to?
[11:44:44] stuarta: um, where ever you store your videos?
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[11:46:26] Patina: The thing is, they are stored on the server and pointing to the directory on the server shows no files.
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[11:47:34] stuarta: nfs?
[11:47:39] filleokus: Hello :)
[11:47:57] ** stuarta m00's back **
[11:48:03] filleokus: Have anyone here using mythtv as a Video/DVD player ONLY?
[11:48:28] filleokus: I want to remove everything that's associated with pvr/tv
[11:48:30] filleokus: :P
[11:48:39] stuarta: why use myth then?
[11:48:55] stuarta: just install xine and be done with it
[11:49:34] stuarta: you cant remove the pvr functionality.
[11:49:39] filleokus: i need a pretty interface
[11:49:48] stuarta: however you could remove it from the menus by hacking the xml
[11:49:59] stuarta: buy a dvd player?
[11:50:10] filleokus: for playing mkv's?
[11:51:53] Hoxzer: Doesn't mythtv internal player support dvd menus does it ?
[11:52:06] Patina: stuarta: No nfs. I changed the original settings and now I can't remember what they were.
[11:53:54] filleokus: You guys haven't any idea of a alternative?
[11:56:57] Hoxzer: woot I'm uploading 92 kB/s
[11:58:34] Hoxzer: IT IS FREE LEECH
[11:59:02] ** Hoxzer has to keep his upload at 92 kB/s all the time **
[12:08:25] Hoxzer: Oh noes upload at 2 kB/s
[12:08:57] Hoxzer: However I'm leeching hard 820 kB/s.. Hoping to get something to upload on time!
[12:15:18] clever: .
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[13:26:59] MilhousePunkRock: Where do I change the OSD, so it fits the general theme I have chosen?
[13:32:29] adante: may be in playback
[13:35:27] MilhousePunkRock: adante: Indeed.. Was well hidden though
[13:35:52] MilhousePunkRock: Argh, pink screen
[13:35:53] MilhousePunkRock: :(
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[13:50:07] Jonny88: Which distro should I go for with myth? I'm reasonably good with computers and have been using Suse 6 months, but know nothing of programming or compiling from source. I was wondering Suse/ Linux MCE / Knoppmyth. Any suggestions?
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[13:51:23] MilhousePunkRock: Jonny88: I am using Mythbuntu, which was an obvious choice for me, since I have used *ubuntus for almost 2 years now...
[13:52:57] mzb_d800: Jonny88: safest choice imo is Debian Lenny
[13:53:02] mzb_d800: but ymmv
[13:53:34] mzb_d800: most convenient is probably mythbuntu
[13:54:07] Jonny88: mzb_d800: I considered debian, but thought that debian was like slax in that it needed a lot more complicated settup?
[13:54:19] mzb_d800: not imo
[13:54:55] mzb_d800: I much prefer a standard distro to build a complicated system over
[13:54:59] MilhousePunkRock: Jonny88: If you want something complicated, go for Gentoo ;)
[13:55:11] mzb_d800: particularly if it's going to be networked
[13:55:36] MilhousePunkRock: Some of the devs once said, even a chicken could set up debian if you put enough grain on the enter key
[13:56:06] mzb_d800: so if all your machines are using the same distro, base it on that one
[13:56:15] Jonny88: hmm, always avoided debian for fear of its complexity.
[13:56:21] mzb_d800: heh
[13:56:22] Jonny88: So SuSE then?
[13:56:42] mzb_d800: debian is very simple to setup and maintain
[13:57:17] mzb_d800: suse is not a favoured distro for a number of reasons
[13:58:03] mzb_d800: debian is easy, and allows for (easy) modification
[13:58:23] mzb_d800: not many distros can make the same claim
[13:59:01] mzb_d800: but regardless of the distro ... it's about the version of mythtv that you use throughout your network
[13:59:18] mzb_d800: they all need to speak the same "mythtv protocol"
[14:00:05] mzb_d800: so either choose the same distro throughout, or use svn (or tagged svn) everywhere
[14:00:36] Jonny88: why is suse not favoured?
[14:00:45] mzb_d800: M$
[14:00:56] Jonny88: fair point
[14:01:15] cccp: MilhousePunkRock: gentoo aint really complicated either IMO ;)
[14:01:40] Jonny88: gentoo is pretty command line heavy isnt it?
[14:02:00] mzb_d800: no .. just takes longer (unless you choose binary, which is pointless from a gentoo view)
[14:02:37] mzb_d800: and also gives you the same problem with differences between mythtv protocols
[14:02:57] mzb_d800: comes down to how many mythtv machines you want to maintain, I guess
[14:03:01] mzb_d800: brb
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[14:05:32] Jonny88: yeah, just two atm. does going 32bit vs 64bit make any difference?
[14:11:19] mzb_d800: no
[14:12:55] mzb_d800: gnite
[14:15:33] Jonny88: cheers
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[14:29:31] spader3d: hi all
[14:29:53] spader3d: is there a dongle.bin for aminet 125 for mythtv?
[14:30:25] spader3d: like the dongle.bin.mvpmc for the mediaMVP
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[14:41:55] spader3d: ne1 here????
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[14:48:17] clever: i realy need this segfaulting bug fixed
[14:48:23] clever: i just found 5 GIG of coredumps!
[14:50:47] cccp: hah
[14:50:54] cccp: get some backtraces
[14:51:00] clever: mythshutdown is faulting
[14:51:05] clever: and mythwelcome runs it every few mins
[14:51:17] clever: some are 400mb each
[14:51:49] ** clever opens a 400mb one in gdb **
[14:53:06] clever: cccp: ive thrown a few on pastebin before and linked in here but its mostly been ignored
[14:53:21] cccp: open some ticket?
[14:53:35] clever: no idea how to reproduce it
[14:54:07] clever: it seems random
[14:54:11] clever: posibly a race condition
[14:55:18] cccp: ;/
[14:55:23] clever: cccp: http://www.pastebin.ca/831062
[14:56:07] spader3d: is there a dongle.bin for aminet 125 for mythtv?
[14:56:16] spader3d: like the dongle.bin.mvpmc for the mediaMVP
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[15:01:20] clever: cccp: http://www.pastebin.ca/831062 http://www.pastebin.ca/831065
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[15:01:47] clever: cccp: different backtraces from the same mythshutdown
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[15:02:37] clever: cccp: one odd part is this==0x9
[15:02:38] clever: wtf
[15:03:15] cccp: probably some nullpointer + offset
[15:03:22] cccp: foo->bar
[15:03:58] cccp: what mythtv version is that?
[15:04:45] clever: svn trunk
[15:04:45] clever: few days old
[15:04:47] clever: but its been doing it for weeks
[15:04:59] cccp: kay
[15:05:02] cccp: maybe i got luck ;)
[15:06:46] clever: 50% of my cpu is going towards sshd atm
[15:06:55] clever: more towards a gzip -9 to shrink the cores
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[15:07:09] clever: and then a reniced job to predict the weather globaly
[15:08:42] clever: pulling nearly 9mb/sec thru sshd
[15:10:24] clever: i appear to have had 4 more dumps since i started talking of them:P
[15:11:03] clever: 9gig free
[15:12:43] clever: lol
[15:12:47] clever: and updatedb is going:P
[15:24:57] clever: time for ((c=1;c<=500;i++)); do time mythshutdown --status 0; [ "$?" -ne 32 ] && break;done
[15:25:08] clever: that should run it 500 times and stop on segfault
[15:25:26] clever: or when the commflag stops and changes its status
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[15:37:32] spader3d: any support of mythtv on amiso stb?
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[15:50:48] clever: cccp: wtf
[15:50:59] clever: the chances of a segfault are affected by my -v flags
[15:51:06] clever: -v all hasnt faulted once
[15:51:06] cccp: timing?
[15:51:12] clever: nothing faults every time
[15:51:20] clever: -v all,upnp faults randomly
[15:51:42] clever: now -v all,upnp doesnt fault
[15:52:00] clever: doesnt make much sense
[15:52:22] ** clever goes to have a shower **
[15:52:25] clever: bbl
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[19:04:20] alexvd_: Hi running into an issue with my serial ports and the change channel script. After several crashes the port begins to timeout when the script is called. It also happens if i manually call it from the command line. The script is enabled and the ports are not busy. It works fine for a while then starts timing out. If I touch the port or use for instance dtvcontrol from another laptop it works fine. Then it will work
[19:04:20] alexvd_: s one time in myth and then lockup. Anyone have any clues before I reinstall
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[19:07:50] alexvd_: running mythbuntu
[19:08:42] alexvd_: running two old rca drd420 boxes with the serial cables
[19:08:56] alexvd_: the script is the old rca.pl or sony.pl
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[19:23:47] aarcane: Hi, mythtv runs slooooooow
[19:24:11] aarcane: like sometimes, while browsing menus, it causes X to peak at 100% CPU and stay there
[19:24:43] aarcane: usually using the video plugin, when I switch from browsing a folder to browsing a file
[19:25:09] Tanthrix: aarcane: Does this only happen while doing stuff in mythvideo?
[19:25:30] aarcane: Tanthrix, no, it seems to happen any time I have a text field or input field on screen
[19:25:39] Tanthrix: Weird, no idea then.
[19:25:51] aarcane: Tanthrix, it happens alot in setup when the fill in the blank options are being drawn
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[19:49:44] The_Rebel: question here
[19:49:55] The_Rebel: where does mythtv store channel scanning info?
[19:50:04] The_Rebel: such as transports or freqs
[19:50:50] cesman: all settings are stored in the database
[19:51:31] cesman: except MySQL items (username, password, etc...) that is...
[19:52:39] The_Rebel: aight
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[20:25:53] d00gster: is there a problem getting Mythtv to scan with DVB-S Nexus card?
[20:29:08] The_Rebel: yes
[20:30:41] The_Rebel: you need to apply patches in order to tune/scan properly with Nexus
[20:30:52] The_Rebel: + you'll need to have its fw installed
[20:36:29] d00gster: I have the fw installed alright.
[20:36:53] d00gster: which patch do i need for scanning?
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[20:43:53] rinaldi_: daviey: well i got music files to be found but there is no "scan" for video's that i can find, i'veput many different file formats into the folder where theyre supposed to be but still nothing
[20:48:33] alibi: Woohoo! I can't wait for new MythTV in Feb!
[20:50:23] rinaldi_: iv got videos stored in /var/lib/mythtv/video but when i browse using mythtv it finds no videos. music works ok, just wandering if theres anything iv missed out...
[20:51:39] rinaldi_: well it's mythtv butiv installed mythbuntu, not sure it makes much difference
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[21:04:02] [Jasper]: hej guys
[21:04:09] [Jasper]: can the Internal player play .mkv files?
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[21:06:17] fryfrog: badly
[21:06:19] fryfrog: use mplayer
[21:06:30] fryfrog: i discovered this recently thanks to GreyFoxx
[21:08:24] [Jasper]: I somehow don't like switching structures with controls from mythtv to mplayer
[21:08:30] [Jasper]: it makes thing complicated
[21:08:40] fryfrog: make your lircrc match
[21:08:43] fryfrog: if you are using a remote?
[21:08:51] fryfrog: i hated that too, but i finally knuckled down and did it
[21:09:05] fryfrog: so the only reason i know i'm using mplayer is that the progress indicator is different
[21:09:12] fryfrog: all the other keys work the same way
[21:09:20] fryfrog: course, i am using a remote, not kb
[21:09:42] [Jasper]: remote here too
[21:09:44] rinaldi_: iv got videos stored in /var/lib/mythtv/video but when i browse using mythtv it finds no videos. music works ok, anyone know why it might be?
[21:10:00] [Jasper]: just don't like the idea of bundling packages fryfrog
[21:10:08] [Jasper]: especially since I made this box for my parents
[21:10:10] [Jasper]: and not for myself
[21:10:15] [Jasper]: so it has to be very simple
[21:10:19] fryfrog: i don't know what you mean "bundling packages"?
[21:10:31] fryfrog: rinaldi_: use browse file mode?
[21:10:39] fryfrog: either that or scan for files again
[21:10:49] rinaldi_: fryfrog: yes tried that and list mode
[21:11:11] rinaldi_: fryfrog: well i can't find the scan, only for music files i can find
[21:11:22] fryfrog: [Jasper]: if you set it up right, it is transparent. Assuming things don't go wrong. Your other options are a) wait until myth's internal player doesn't suck balls with mkv or 2) don't give them any mkv files.
[21:11:35] rinaldi_: fryfrog: where exactly is it?
[21:11:35] fryfrog: rinaldi_: i *think* it is under setup, then media, then videos?
[21:11:37] fryfrog: working from memory
[21:11:47] rinaldi_: k il try again
[21:11:59] [Jasper]: fryfrog its' weird though, since .mkv is supported bij ffmpeg
[21:12:04] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: Or patch it to work properly
[21:13:37] fryfrog: GreyFoxx: There is a patch? To read the mkv container better?
[21:13:43] fryfrog: because it isn't a cpu/multi-threaded issue
[21:13:46] [Jasper]: GreyFoxx how will I do that?
[21:13:48] fryfrog: afaik
[21:13:50] GreyFoxx: no, I mean write one
[21:13:52] fryfrog: oh
[21:13:56] fryfrog: yeah, that'll happen :p
[21:14:06] fryfrog: but a good option to add to my msg
[21:14:14] [Jasper]: GreyFoxx http://hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/i . . . /t19689.html
[21:14:20] fryfrog: [Jasper]: if you set it up right, it is transparent. Assuming things don't go wrong. Your other options are a) wait until myth's internal player doesn't suck balls with mkv or 2) don't give them any mkv files also C) fix it.
[21:14:54] GreyFoxx: [Jasper]: So? That doesn't mean myth will handle them correctly
[21:15:11] GreyFoxx: Obviously myth needs to be altered to handle them better
[21:15:23] [Jasper]: GreyFoxx myth uses ffmpeg right?
[21:15:23] fryfrog: yeah, i can tell you from *experience* that mkv playback is bad
[21:15:41] GreyFoxx: jasp Myth uses the libavodec and libavformat libraries
[21:15:42] fryfrog: it drops about 2–3 frames every second or two, is very hard to watch, uses 80%+ cpu
[21:15:51] fryfrog: mplayer doing the same thing is like 40% cpu and smooth as butter.
[21:15:52] GreyFoxx: which are part of ffmpeg
[21:17:00] rinaldi_: fryfrog: for me there is no scan for videos, only scan for music in music settings... i am running mythbuntu btw, shouldn't make a difference should it, uses the mythtv frontend...
[21:17:21] fryfrog: rinaldi_: sorry, i'm not in front of my myth system. i can't recall exactly.
[21:17:37] rinaldi_: ok
[21:17:39] fryfrog: i use mythvideo in the file browse mode, so thing show up when i add them, but of course they have no imdb info and such
[21:17:49] fryfrog: hit menu, (M) then... pick one.
[21:18:03] fryfrog: is it possible that you think you have set mythvideos to look in one place... but it is looking in another?
[21:18:10] fryfrog: for example, i set mine to look in /data/videos/
[21:18:42] rinaldi_: yeh did try that, and the files are in the right place, well the default, i also tried changing to /home/user/videos
[21:18:44] clever[rev]: i set my mythvideo to look in /media/videos
[21:18:55] clever[rev]: and then i have a folder under there for each host which is nfs mounted
[21:19:09] clever[rev]: so the laptop is at /media/videos/laptop/ on all hosts
[21:19:09] fryfrog: you have different videos available on each host?
[21:19:15] fryfrog: oh
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[21:19:19] fryfrog: other way around
[21:19:21] clever[rev]: every host has extra hdd space on it
[21:19:36] fryfrog: that is a decent idea, use all the extra space on systems
[21:19:38] clever[rev]: so i throw the overflow onto the other systems
[21:19:53] clever[rev]: its basicaly /media/videos/`hostname` has the local videos
[21:19:59] clever[rev]: and nfs mount it to the same path everywhere
[21:20:26] fryfrog: so does every system mount the nfs share to itself?
[21:20:38] fryfrog: or does like, your server mount them via nfs, then share a single nfs share of all of that?
[21:20:42] fryfrog: did i evne say that readably? :)
[21:21:14] clever[rev]: they dont nfs to localhost
[21:21:29] fryfrog: no i mean...
[21:21:33] clever[rev]: on the media /media/videos/media/ is a ext3 mount on lvm
[21:21:33] fryfrog: god, this is hard to say :)
[21:21:49] clever[rev]: on every other system media:/media/videos/media/ is a nfs on /media/videos/media/
[21:22:00] fryfrog: server1 mount /laptop -> /media/videos/laptop/
[21:22:09] fryfrog: client2 mount /media/videos/
[21:22:19] fryfrog: and client2 gets laptop and all other hosts that way?
[21:22:26] fryfrog: or!
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[21:22:48] fryfrog: client2 mounts server1:/media/videos and laptop1:/media/videos/laptop?
[21:24:20] clever[rev]: the laptop has media:/media/videos/media on /media/videos/media/ AND theP4:/media/videos/theP4 on /media/videos/theP4/ and /media/videos/laptop/ is part of /
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[21:24:55] fryfrog: my brain just asploded :)
[21:24:56] fryfrog: nm :)
[21:24:58] clever[rev]: media has laptop:/media/videos/laptop on /media/videos/laptop/ and theP4:/media/videos/theP4 on /media/videos/theP4/ and /media/videos/media/ is ext3 on local lvm
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[21:25:21] clever[rev]: theP4 has /media/videos/theP4/ as part of / and the same old nfs mounts for /media/videos/laptop/ and /media/videos/media/
[21:25:36] fryfrog: i solve that problem by simply not putting gobs of space in any of my systems :)
[21:25:41] fryfrog: only my server has tons of room
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[21:25:50] clever[rev]: theP4 also has /media/mainlv/ localy and shares it to the same point on EVERY system(300gig in size)
[21:26:07] clever[rev]: the problem is my laptop has a 30gig drive
[21:26:11] clever[rev]: and the os doesnt take all 30 gig
[21:26:16] fryfrog: ah
[21:26:24] clever[rev]: so i wind up with 5 or more gig free going to waste
[21:26:33] clever[rev]: repeat on every frontend that has its own hdd
[21:26:42] clever[rev]: it adds up:P
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[21:27:11] Hilikus: when i create a dvd with mytharchive how do i make sure commercials are removed?
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[21:28:48] clever[rev]: fryfrog: my newest frontends(3 of them) all netboot and have root on /media/mainlv/nfsroot/
[21:29:03] fryfrog: cool :)
[21:29:05] clever[rev]: fryfrog: those dont have a usable local hdd(xp install 'local')
[21:29:29] clever[rev]: one of them has a local linux install which is in charge of the box 99% of the time
[21:29:49] clever[rev]: only reason i netbooted it is because i moved the drive to a newer pc for a day
[21:30:13] clever[rev]: now that i have a nicely working netboot it will be wicked to fsck my root!
[21:30:51] gbee: with trunk and assuming that the h264 threading support is enabled, what's the minimum core2 duo or x2 that I should be looking at for H264 1080p playback?
[21:31:13] clever[rev]: ive gor a 1.8ghz core2 duo i could test with
[21:31:31] clever[rev]: but i cant find the damn 1080 that gave me trouble months ago trying to play it
[21:31:43] fryfrog: gbee: only thing i've tried is 720p on my 4600+ X2 amd64
[21:32:27] gbee: should have paid more attention to what Justin bought, since I know it worked fine with the BBC HD sample we've got and didn't cost him too much
[21:32:46] gbee: guess I can ask him if he's around on Boxing Day
[21:35:21] GreyFoxx: I should try a couple of those on my xbox
[21:35:28] The_Rebel: 1080P h.264 streams work fine on my AMD X2 4200+
[21:35:50] fryfrog: GreyFoxx: 360 or 1?
[21:35:55] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: 360
[21:35:56] fryfrog: The_Rebel: seriously?
[21:35:58] BULLE: The_Rebel: it all depends on the bitrate of video, and sound, and also what profile and level the stream is in
[21:36:00] The_Rebel: yeah
[21:36:19] fryfrog: The_Rebel: I guess it isn't surprising, my 4600+ on mplayer only uses 40% (one core)
[21:36:23] fryfrog: so i imagine it should work?
[21:36:30] The_Rebel: level 5.1 >6000kbps 1000kbps ac3 6 channels
[21:36:36] fryfrog: what happens when you play a 1080p onto a 720p dvi?
[21:36:38] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: I'm curious to see how well it will play a couple of the BBC h264 test files I have via upnp
[21:36:41] fryfrog: still a good example of cpu usage?
[21:36:53] fryfrog: GreyFoxx: worth a try :)
[21:37:02] fryfrog: GreyFoxx: how do you *get* the 360 to play h264?
[21:37:10] fryfrog: burn to disk, put on usb hard drive, run the lame software on your pc?
[21:37:22] The_Rebel: you need to stream it with WMP11/media connect or burn it onto a disc
[21:37:29] fryfrog: ah
[21:37:32] GreyFoxx: well I could use a usb stick, or I can stream it via myth's upnp server
[21:37:42] fryfrog: double ah!
[21:37:49] GreyFoxx: I got video streaming to the 360 going a couple days ago
[21:38:00] fryfrog: from myth?
[21:38:03] GreyFoxx: yes
[21:38:05] fryfrog: cool
[21:38:15] fryfrog: recordings or mythvideo content?
[21:38:19] GreyFoxx: mythvideo
[21:38:36] fryfrog: ah
[21:38:36] GreyFoxx: the 360 is ignoring all mpeg files I try to play via both usb stick and upnp
[21:38:44] fryfrog: lame :/
[21:38:47] GreyFoxx: yeah
[21:38:54] fryfrog: I wish for XBMC on 360
[21:38:58] GreyFoxx: so for now I'm just working on better video support
[21:39:03] fryfrog: I think my favorite thing is Xbox + XBMC
[21:39:17] fryfrog: I just stole my friends XIR Easy Kit, so now my harmony remote can turn on/off my xbox
[21:39:25] GreyFoxx: so I've got the streaming working so I'm now rewriting the way we organize the videos so that the 360 can navigate just like a filebrowser
[21:39:31] fryfrog: cool
[21:39:36] GreyFoxx: once that's done I'll commit it to trunk
[21:40:41] GreyFoxx: then I'm gonna look at audio streaming. Not sure if the 360 will play mp3's or not
[21:41:17] GreyFoxx: ok it will off my usb stick
[21:41:19] GreyFoxx: cool.
[21:41:37] GreyFoxx: Want to get this stuff done and in in time for some upnp users to test before 0.21
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[21:43:26] clever[rev]: .
[21:45:09] gbee: *sigh* yet again they've killed off the Pundit model I wanted, can't really seem to build my perfect fe/be at the price I want because just as I'm deciding to buy it they stop selling the parts
[21:47:02] Hilikus: if i have a cut list, will mytharchive use it when i burn a dvd?
[21:47:27] gbee: hmm, still list it on the Asus website, guess Ebuyer have just stopped stocking it
[21:52:36] alexvd_: I have a question about setting up a different directory for recordings and the permissions etc.
[21:53:04] fryfrog: do you now?
[21:53:11] fryfrog: we don't allow questions in here :/
[21:53:22] alexvd_: Nice christmas spirit eh
[21:53:32] fryfrog: ? question mark == autoban!
[21:53:37] fryfrog: oops!
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[21:53:45] fryfrog: see, i got kicked :)
[21:54:01] BULLE: he
[21:54:02] alexvd_: Ok So I setup the second drive i Mount it. Then I setup the permissions
[21:54:27] fryfrog: the only important thing is that mythtv can read/write
[21:54:28] alexvd_: but after reboot I get an error in the log saying it cant write to that directory
[21:54:39] alexvd_: Its mythtv not the user
[21:54:41] alexvd_: ?
[21:54:49] fryfrog: sorry
[21:54:54] fryfrog: what ever your backend runs as
[21:55:00] fryfrog: mine is root or mythtv, i forget
[21:55:16] alexvd_: Ok so if I auto login to the backend with the user alexvd
[21:55:18] fryfrog: there are 3 or 4 perms solutions
[21:55:24] fryfrog: erm
[21:55:34] fryfrog: no, what ever the *mythbackend* daemon is running as
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[21:55:44] fryfrog: "ps aux | grep mythbackend"
[21:55:50] fryfrog: er, cept yours isn't running maybe
[21:55:55] fryfrog: your init script might make it obvious
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[21:56:47] alexvd_: ok when i run that command it says alexvd
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[21:57:24] fryfrog: really?
[21:57:31] fryfrog: try...
[21:57:43] fryfrog: ps aux | grep mythbackend | grep -v grep" :)
[21:58:04] alexvd_: well it says alexvd 7275 0.0 2972 748 pts/1 R+ 16;56 0.00 mythbackend
[21:58:35] fryfrog: k
[21:58:39] fryfrog: then i guess you are right :)
[21:58:49] fryfrog: so that user needs read/write access to your recordins dir
[21:59:41] alexvd_: Alright so I had run the command sudo chown -R alexvd:alexvd /media/recordings1
[22:01:08] fryfrog: that sounds right
[22:01:35] fryfrog: you might also need... "chmod -R u+rw /media/recordings1"
[22:01:40] alexvd_: so why then do when i restart the backend it says i cannot write to that directory
[22:01:41] fryfrog: er, i think "owner" is "u"
[22:02:03] alexvd_: so you mean u = alexvd
[22:02:08] fryfrog: no
[22:02:19] fryfrog: "u" means "user" or "owner" in chmod ... stuff
[22:02:23] xris: or create a "media" group and do g+rw
[22:02:23] alexvd_: ok
[22:02:26] fryfrog: "o" is "other" and "g" is "group"
[22:02:32] fryfrog: yeah, lots of ways to solve
[22:02:41] alexvd_: Ok
[22:02:43] xris: or just run the backend as root and be done with it.  :)
[22:02:48] fryfrog: yes, or that
[22:02:53] fryfrog: so many solutions!
[22:02:56] alexvd_: woud love to but I am running stupid ubuntu
[22:03:03] alexvd_: and everything is sudo this and sudo that
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[22:04:19] xris: alexvd_: easy enough to just tweak the init script..
[22:05:47] fryfrog: alexvd_: ubuntu?
[22:05:53] fryfrog: alexvd_: just edit /etc/default/mythtv
[22:06:15] fryfrog: er, "/etc/default/mythtv-backend"
[22:07:08] alexvd_: Ok I have another question I have this super annoying problem that has driven me nuts for the last two or three years. I have 2 old rca directv boxes. Using an old sony channel change script. I have the serial ports permission set and the scripts executable etc.. After the backend crashes a few times the script begins to timeout. i can use the windows dtv control program and the script will work once but then no more
[22:07:08] alexvd_: .
[22:08:09] alexvd_: I dont see anything in the log except the timeout.
[22:08:51] alexvd_: Any idea how to troubleshoot? It forces me to reinstall
[22:11:30] mzb_d800: -v all ?
[22:11:34] alexvd_: fryfrog: when i ran the -R u+rw it gave me a invalid user
[22:11:55] alexvd_: mzb_d800: i did a -v important
[22:13:14] fryfrog: alexvd_: "chmod -R u+rw /dir"
[22:13:18] fryfrog: notice that is "chmod"
[22:13:22] fryfrog: not chown
[22:14:15] alexvd_: fryfrog: ooops my bad
[22:14:23] fryfrog: rebooting doesn't fix the serial port thing?
[22:14:31] fryfrog: could you use irblaster instead? or is there an update?
[22:15:30] alexvd_: fryfrog: it fixes it once then it timesout again. i would rather use serial port hardwire cable. Like i said it works fine until i have several crashes. The obvious answer would be to stop crashing teh backend.
[22:15:53] fryfrog: hehe
[22:16:16] fryfrog: does re-starting the DTV box fix it?
[22:16:59] alexvd_: not really, you mean like pulling the plug and then restarting
[22:17:04] fryfrog: yeah
[22:17:21] fryfrog: i mean, if rebooting your *server* only fixes the issue for a short time, could it be the STB with the real issue?
[22:17:46] alexvd_: I doubt it because i can switch the boxes and it will work for a short time
[22:17:56] alexvd_: and the timeout on that box
[22:18:11] fryfrog: er, sorry, i don't unerstand
[22:18:15] fryfrog: you have only 1 hooked to myth?
[22:18:17] fryfrog: (not both)?
[22:18:41] alexvd_: i have the exact same box two of them connected to /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyS1
[22:19:07] fryfrog: ah
[22:19:17] fryfrog: and when things go wonkey, they *both* go tits up?
[22:19:18] fryfrog: or just one?
[22:19:30] alexvd_: usually just one
[22:19:42] alexvd_: /dev/ttyS0
[22:20:08] alexvd_: Driving me totally nuts. The only thing that fixes it is complete reinstall
[22:20:17] fryfrog: that is illogical
[22:20:20] fryfrog: i would try a few tests
[22:20:23] alexvd_: yeah no kidding
[22:20:34] fryfrog: 1) leave it unhooked from server for duration of a "reinstall"
[22:20:37] alexvd_: its a software issue. just cant figure out where
[22:20:39] fryfrog: i bet you get the same results
[22:20:59] alexvd_: hmmm what do you mean
[22:21:11] fryfrog: well, lets say your dtv box needs 30 mins to recover from this error.
[22:21:21] fryfrog: a re-install of the os/myth will keep it disconnected for... hours?
[22:21:26] fryfrog: and you'll think "hey, reinstall fixed it"
[22:21:33] alexvd_: good point
[22:21:46] fryfrog: also, what files could this script even be creating that would do something like that?
[22:22:12] fryfrog: it could even be something as stupid as that serial port on your motherboard is going bad
[22:22:22] fryfrog: a loose solder trace, some electrical grimlin :/
[22:22:26] alexvd_: i can try that. I thought I had found a fix when I touched the port using the DTV control program that works fine with same hardware cable and same box. It works once after I use that program to touch the port. Then after that it timesout whenever I run the script
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[22:22:40] fryfrog: weird
[22:22:48] fryfrog: any google search good result?
[22:22:54] alexvd_: Asus motherboard. Also both ports go bad??
[22:23:08] alexvd_: google didnt find anything really
[22:23:44] Der_Thomas: anyone know if there is a way to ass custom cover art to videos? I have some videos that don't have cover art in ImDB but I found the covers and want to add them to myth
[22:23:46] alexvd_: I think it could be the old script. I may try running the directv.pl script with the proper parameters. I couldnt get it to run for a longtime
[22:23:53] Der_Thomas: shit ass = add
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[22:24:32] Der_Thomas: lol I think that was worse
[22:24:43] Der_Thomas: let me ask again:
[22:24:50] Der_Thomas: anyone know if there is a way to add custom cover art to videos? I have some videos that don't have cover art in ImDB but I found the covers and want to add them to myth
[22:25:26] rinaldi_: when i specify my sql server, is that the ip of the system that the backend is on? (im running frontend) bit of a noob to this
[22:26:27] fryfrog: no, ip of the mysqld server
[22:26:32] fryfrog: which is *probably* also your backend
[22:26:35] fryfrog: so kind of yes :)
[22:26:41] fryfrog: but in theory, it could be different
[22:26:50] fryfrog: just make sure your mysqld isn't only listening on localhost
[22:26:54] fryfrog: (by default, most are)
[22:29:02] alexvd_: fryfrog: i have another question. this is an old motherboard and for some reason i have a problem with udev reording my capture cards. I have 3pchdtvcards and 2 pvr 250. On reboot the pchdtv will grab /dev/video0 or dev/video1 and it will cause the init to fail for the capture card on the backend. How can I keep the pchdtv cards from doing this
[22:29:17] rinaldi_: fryfrog: where would i find out what it is and how do i change it, is it in mysql.txt in /etc/mythtv/?
[22:29:27] fryfrog: alexvd_: udev, but i can't tell you how :/
[22:29:36] fryfrog: rinaldi_: what do you mean?
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[22:30:12] rinaldi_: fryfrog: whe you said make sure it isnt listening just on localhost, so how sould i go about changing it?
[22:30:19] alexvd_: fryfrog: yeah I know i have write udev rule and insert at higher priority isnt thier an easier way. That is a pain and I tried before but it wouldnt work.
[22:30:43] fryfrog: rinaldi_: ah, you'd need to check your mysql configuration
[22:30:49] fryfrog: usually /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[22:31:05] alexvd_: rinaldi: go into backend setup. General change the hostname to your ip
[22:31:06] fryfrog: alexvd_: i think you have two choices... udev OR
[22:31:16] fryfrog: blacklist both modules
[22:31:24] fryfrog: then, in your init script, load them in the order you want
[22:31:27] rinaldi_: ah ok i get it now thanks
[22:31:29] fryfrog: rc.local or what ever
[22:31:55] alexvd_: blacklist the the happauge and the pchdtv?
[22:32:06] fryfrog: perhaps
[22:32:19] fryfrog: alexvd_: i'm not saying it will work, but in theory i don't see why it wouldn't
[22:32:25] fryfrog: or... blacklist the one you want loaded second
[22:32:34] fryfrog: then, in rc.local, load the 2nd one yourself
[22:32:42] alexvd_: Fryfrog: I dont use the analog capture for the pchdtv cards. I use the dvb drivers. So couldnt i just blaclist the pchdtv analog capture part
[22:32:50] fryfrog: sure, that'd probably do it
[22:33:22] alexvd_: fryfrog: aagggghhhhhh my backend wont restart
[22:36:20] fryfrog: errors?
[22:37:26] The_Rebel: so in what database/sections does mythtv store all the channel freqs/transports?
[22:37:32] pteague: anybody know what the url for the buy one get one is? for the laptops?
[22:37:40] fryfrog: "channels" table i think?
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[22:38:34] The_Rebel: well im looking for the frequencies of the channels
[22:38:45] The_Rebel: all the stuff thats in mythtv-setup
[22:41:46] Hilikus: if i want my dvd to play on a regular dvd player i can only fit 120mins of video??
[22:42:13] fryfrog: yeah, channels table in the db afaik
[22:42:50] mchou: why are plone powered sites so ugly?
[22:43:52] fryfrog: wtf is plone?
[22:44:09] alexvd_: fryfrog: aside from the timeout error for the script. I still get this. "/media/recordings1/nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied
[22:44:09] alexvd_: Unable to open lockfile!
[22:44:09] alexvd_: Be sure that '/media/recordings1' exists and that both
[22:44:09] alexvd_: the directory and that file are writeable by this user"
[22:44:18] The_Rebel: well what im looking for isn't in the db
[22:44:57] fryfrog: alexvd_: do it!
[22:45:02] alexvd_: fryfrog: and last two lines are "2007-12–24 17:35:21.687 SSDPCache – Destructor
[22:45:02] alexvd_: 2007-12–24 17:35:21.687 UPnpDeviceDesc – Destructor
[22:45:02] alexvd_: Segmentation fault (core dumped)"
[22:45:38] fryfrog: alexvd_: sounds like your perms are just weird, sorry
[22:45:43] fryfrog: run it as root :)
[22:45:48] alexvd_: run the backend?
[22:46:03] fryfrog: yes
[22:46:26] alexvd_: alright sorry how do I run the backend as root?
[22:46:40] alexvd_: I dont even know the password for root in ubuntu.
[22:46:43] fryfrog: edit /etc/default/
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[22:46:46] alexvd_: I can do a sudo su
[22:46:48] fryfrog: mythtv-backend
[22:46:54] fryfrog: USER=
[22:46:58] fryfrog: put "root"
[22:47:00] fryfrog: instead of alexvd
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[22:47:05] alexvd_: ahh ok that is easy
[22:47:25] fryfrog: at least, on my ubuntu system
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[22:52:18] alexvd_: fryfrog: ok maybe I am hitting the eggnog too hard but running vi /etc/default gives me illegal filename blank file
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[22:52:31] fryfrog: no no, sorry
[22:52:35] alexvd_: fryfrog: /etc/default/
[22:52:38] fryfrog: "nano -w /etc/default/mythtv-backend"
[22:52:45] fryfrog: i forgot the file name in the above :)
[22:53:50] alexvd_: done
[22:54:05] alexvd_: sorry its nix so I was told to take everything literal
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[22:55:33] alexvd_: fryfrog: i was thinking about your solution to the problem with the directv external tuner script port. I leave the box alone for hours at a time. Why wouldnt it just reset then?
[22:56:12] fryfrog: maybe?
[22:56:49] alexvd_: fryfrog: how do I check if the backend is running and restarted?
[22:57:07] fryfrog: pgrep mythbackend or ps aux | grep mythbackend
[22:57:07] alexvd_: aside from top
[22:58:20] alexvd_: ok so if I get a return from ps aux |grep mythbackend its running right?
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[23:03:27] fryfrog: how about watching the backend.log?
[23:03:54] alexvd_: tail backend what is the command for that?
[23:04:05] alexvd_: i forget
[23:04:18] fryfrog: tail, that is rgith
[23:04:25] fryfrog: dunno what your log file is called or where it is
[23:04:28] fryfrog: probably /var/log/
[23:04:33] fryfrog: ls *mythtv* and see
[23:04:42] alexvd_: /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[23:04:51] fryfrog: there ya go
[23:05:04] alexvd_: tail /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
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[23:08:22] tcpsyn: In mythweb, I was just trying to watch some videos, and I made the symlinks to my videos and images... loaded up the page, but when I hit refresh, the page came up with an unkown module error. Now the Video link is gone from mythweb entirely.
[23:08:27] tcpsyn: Anyone seen anything like that before?
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[23:09:31] alexvd_: fryfrog: i have a dumb question. Now that I am running mythtv as root does that mean all my mount points are gone? I used to have /media/recordings1 2 and 3
[23:10:16] fryfrog: uh
[23:10:23] fryfrog: why would your mounts be gone?
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[23:23:12] \matt\: can someone help me out please, i've instlaled mythbuntu 7.10. i've got a happauge pvr 150 capture card, a nvidia 5200fx video card, 2ghz amd and a gig of ram. my mythtv front end keeps crashing and i cant figure out why
[23:23:35] \matt\: it will play fine for a few minuts then dump core
[23:23:48] alibi: try checking the logs
[23:24:11] \matt\: what am i suppose to be looking for?
[23:24:11] alibi: alwys a good first step
[23:24:29] alibi: well, see what mythfrontend log says at the time of crash
[23:24:44] alibi: then google it :)
[23:25:05] \matt\: tried that
[23:25:13] \matt\: google didnt tell me shit
[23:25:19] alibi: ...what did the log say?
[23:25:20] Daviey: hmm
[23:25:47] Daviey: Is there a site you can go to that will tell you all about 'shit'?
[23:26:00] alibi: www.shit.com
[23:26:08] Daviey: http://www.ratemypoo.com/ might be a good start
[23:26:27] alibi: both are pretty good
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[23:26:36] alibi: also, www.goodshit.com
[23:26:48] \matt\: i'm about to say fuck it and go with a windows solution
[23:26:57] \matt\: on the account that they actually work =\
[23:27:14] alibi: \matt\ been there done that
[23:27:17] alibi: up to you
[23:27:25] \matt\: there is no error in the error log
[23:27:29] alibi: but not much satisfaction in that solution
[23:27:38] \matt\: um
[23:27:43] Daviey: \matt\: have fun
[23:27:44] \matt\: when you can watch tv for more than 5 minuts
[23:27:45] \matt\: yes it is
[23:27:46] \matt\: lol
[23:27:48] alibi: No error?
[23:27:53] \matt\: nope
[23:27:58] \matt\: only when i start from commandline
[23:28:03] Daviey: \matt\: bye
[23:28:03] \matt\: will it show that it dumped core
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[23:28:22] fryfrog: \matt\: fix your verbosity
[23:28:27] fryfrog: also, the \ in your name are annoying :p
[23:28:36] \matt\ is now known as __matt
[23:28:46] fryfrog: luanch client like "mythfrontend -v all -l /var/log/mythtv/frontend.log
[23:28:54] fryfrog: see what happens right before the core dump.
[23:28:54] Daviey: hmm, the verbosity isn't the problem – it's his attitude
[23:29:03] fryfrog: which version of myth?
[23:29:22] fryfrog: Wanting to use something that is easier to use isn't an attitude problem
[23:29:26] Daviey: myth hates tossers [FACT]
[23:29:38] fryfrog: MythTV is *hard*, to start with. When it goes wrong, it is even harder :/
[23:29:55] __matt: i used the mythbuntu 7.10 distro
[23:30:08] alibi: That's pretty solid for me
[23:30:17] fryfrog: so i dunno what version of myth that is, but i'd guess latest from ubuntu
[23:30:21] Daviey: solid for me
[23:30:26] alibi: 20.2?
[23:30:34] __matt: hold on i cant read shit on my tv
[23:30:38] __matt: brb
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[23:30:53] alibi: He's off installing Vista
[23:30:55] ** Daviey can read shit on his tv :( **
[23:31:00] alibi: Ultimate edition
[23:31:08] fryfrog: hehe
[23:31:16] fryfrog: i'd probably do that for my parents :)
[23:31:24] Daviey: alibi: shame, he was the kind of user we really need
[23:31:40] alibi: he'll be back
[23:31:48] alibi: If he installs Vista
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[23:35:16] Daviey: \matt\: can you read shit now?
[23:35:28] \matt\: yes
[23:35:44] Daviey: good
[23:35:49] \matt\: my tv and monitor dont like to play well together
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[23:36:25] \matt\: ok i started mythfrontend with the flags you mentioned
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[23:37:14] code-r: cant seem to get my audio working
[23:37:15] code-r: "00:14.0 SMBus: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 SMBus Controller (rev 11)
[23:37:26] Hilikus: i was running mytharchive and it crashed when reencoding the second video, if i run it, will it start from the beginning again? i.e. will it reencode the first video again?? it took like 40mins to do it the first time
[23:37:47] code-r: "ATI IXP AC97 controller: probe of 0000:00:14.5 failed with error -12
[23:37:58] Hilikus: btw, the error is, failed while running ffmpeg to re-encode video
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[23:43:57] \matt\: http://pastebin.ca/831471
[23:44:29] \matt\: that's from the /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log and from the commandline
[23:48:29] \matt\: Daviey, alibi ?
[23:48:46] \matt\: fryfrog?
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[23:50:01] Daviey: \matt\: not healthy – need a stacktrace really
[23:50:16] ** Daviey hasn't seen that just happen on a clean install **
[23:50:23] umikron: Hello!
[23:50:35] \matt\: this is a clean install
[23:50:42] \matt\: i've re-installed 3 or 4 times
[23:50:55] umikron: I am installing mythtv on Ubuntu Gutsy and recieve the following error: http://pastebin.com/m400420e2
[23:51:13] umikron: it seems to be access denied for the mythtv user
[23:51:27] umikron: i have tried the suggested solutions but they did not help...
[23:52:09] Daviey: umikron: is the a /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt file, and is the password in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt correct?
[23:52:13] \matt\: sry, that was from the wrong log
[23:53:14] umikron: Daviey, I actually accidentally modified that file... but i do know that i can login to mysql with the user mythtv and the password i set
[23:53:54] Daviey: umikron: check the password is correct
[23:53:56] \matt\: 2007-12–24 18:40:41.082 AO: audio waiting for space on soundcard: have 1408 need 6144
[23:54:18] \matt\: i have a bunch of enteries like that in the "frontend.log"
[23:54:41] \matt\: could that be the problem?
[23:59:23] \matt\: guess not
[23:59:24] \matt\: =\

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