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Friday, December 21st, 2007, 00:03 UTC

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CIDR:

Are there any usb ATSC tuners that work?

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iamlindoro__:

As always, http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_USB_Devices

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CIDR:

Thanks

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leprasmurf:

Hello all, Is it possible to have PIP with recordings (either two recordings or one recording and one tuner)?

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dark-alias:

hey people..

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dark-alias:

anybody here ?

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iamlindoro__:

leprasmurf, Yes, it's possible in the pip branch, have never made an attempt to use it in regular SVN but I *believe* it's that branch only for right now until it gets merged back in

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S0ld13r:

clear

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iamlindoro__:

S0ld13r, Nobody ever says hello around here, you just have to ask your question

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S0ld13r:

can anybody help me out this is somthing I been trying to fix for a while.

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S0ld13r:

k

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leprasmurf:

iamlindoro: thanks, I didn't realize there were different branches

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iamlindoro__:

leprasmurf, yeah, but I believe the ultimate goal is that it'll all be merged back into trunk

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leprasmurf:

iamlindoro: cool, thanks

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S0ld13r:

basicly, I'm running Linux-Mint 2.6.22–14 -ge , i have installed mythtv everything works perfect, the only problem I have is that when I mythtv video first thing after my pc boot it works perfect but if I were to play any video with VLS or Mplayer and then go into mythtv i get this distoreted green lines and I can nno see any video output!

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iamlindoro__:

S0ld13r, bug in your nvidia driver

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iamlindoro__:

roll back to 100.14.11 and it will work

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S0ld13r:

not fixed yet ?

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directhex:

fixed in the 169.foo beta

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S0ld13r:

not fix or go around it ?

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directhex:

it's a binary driver. you're at nvidia's mercy

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iamlindoro__:

S0ld13r, no fix without changing drivers, so you can either go beta or roll back to known good, either way will work

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iamlindoro__:

and it's not a mythtv bug to begin with, soooooo

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S0ld13r:

ok well that answered it.. thanks guyz

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iamlindoro__:

np

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mikeones:

hello

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mikeones:

anyone seen mythbackend eating up 100% of my dualcore?

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mikeones:

s/my/their

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squish102:

not me

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mikeones:

AFAICT, it mainly happeds when in mythweb.

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leprasmurf:

have you checked top?

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mikeones:

3747 mythtv 20 0 406m 20m 9584 S 199 1.1 48:26.81 mythbackend

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mikeones:

199 cpu

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CIDR:

hrmm when I open mythtv it wants to upgrade my database schema, when I tell it to upgrade, it just crashes and exits

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leprasmurf:

mikeones: you might want to check the job queue "Information center > system status > job queue"

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leprasmurf:

mikeones: see how many jobs are currently running on that particular backend

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leprasmurf:

mikeones: if there is a large number, you can try limiting the number in your setup

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neo_genpix:

hi all

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mikeones:

leprasmurf: looing in mythweb status. ""

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mikeones:

Job Queue is currently empty.

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mikeones:

I do not have access to the frontend at the mon=ment

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leprasmurf:

mikeones: wow, is this a new install or anything?

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neo_genpix:

does any1 here have a last svn of mythtv with ati hd 2x00 serie?

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mikeones:

leprasmurf: svn from 1 week ago

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leprasmurf:

mikeones: oic, you can try the web page side of it

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leprasmurf:

how many front ends do you have on it?

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mikeones:

non now. my ,ini-txi is a brik. I just hane the backend recording show to watch on the net

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leprasmurf:

if nothing is currently recording you can try to reset the backend, see if it still eats up 199 cpu

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neo_genpix:

does any1 here have a last svn of mythtv with ati hd 2x00 serie?

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mikeones:

well, I have to do that but is starts eating the cpu anyways

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neo_genpix:

or what is the best setting for ati cards?

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mikeones:

leprasmurf: all I am using now is the web interface so, I can't tell if taht is the problem or someting else.

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leprasmurf:

mikeones: sorry, I'm not sure what else it could be. If there are no jobs running, and it's definitely the backend....

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leprasmurf:

mikeones: are you using the flash transcode?

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squish102:

mikeones: anything in the log

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mikeones:

flash transcode it default streaming right?

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mikeones:

squish102: nithing in the logs but I have not turned on verbose logging

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leprasmurf:

for me it was, but I don't thing that'll identify as "mythbackend" in top

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mikeones:

leprasmurf: I am not straming anything now. I just pulled up my recorded show list

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mikeones:

leprasmurf: , transcoding uses ffmpe and a seprat process for it

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leprasmurf:

yeah, they are on demand

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leprasmurf:

hrmm, sorry mikeones, I'm out of suggestions

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CIDR:

hmm mythvideo doesn't like /share/movies:/share/tv

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CIDR:

doesn't pickup the tv

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Anduin:

CIDR: symlink?

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mzb_d800:

symlinks are crude: better to do bind mounts

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mzb_d800:

eg: mkdir -p /share/bind/tv /share/bind/movies; mount -o bind /share/movies /share/bind/movies; mount -o bind /share/tv /share/bind/tv

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mzb_d800:

if using fstab just use fstype=auto

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mzb_d800:

options=defaults,bind

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Jonny88:

can anybody tell me if mythtv does proper upscaling of dvd's and standard tv to HD format or is this done by the graphics card or what??? Confused after seeing hardware upscaling DVD players

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CIDR:

nah no symlinks

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CIDR:

I got it now

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CIDR:

Jonny88 you can do it

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CIDR:

Jonny88 mplayer will do it, but I only know that because it's what I use

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Jonny88:

CIDR: just been reading mplayer does it, but that doesnt intergrate with mythtv does it? Anybody know how to do it nativly in myth?

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CIDR:

Yeah it does

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CIDR:

That's the player I use for mythtv

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CIDR:

Seems to deal with my x264 stuff better than the internal player, but I can't tell the different when it comes to integrating

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CIDR:

it works the same, or seems to

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Jonny88:

Oh right, is it easy to install into myth? I thought I had to use mythdvd. Is there an alternative to myth music too?

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CIDR:

What doesn't mythmusic do?

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CIDR:

It does everything alright for me

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Jonny88:

playlists are crappy

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Jonny88:

comparing to amarok

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CIDR:

There's not really a replacement

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CIDR:

It's made for being easy to play music, not really a music manager

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CIDR:

atleast that's how it seems

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Jonny88:

yeah, shame really, as I only ever wanted myth for music initially

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CIDR:

Fair enough

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Jonny88:

Yeah, perhaps it'l get more features as time goes by. mplayer seems interesting tho, will have to look into that, cheers

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javatexan:

cabletv suck@!!1

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javatexan:

my cabletv company cant find a working cable card in the whole area...LOL...Shhhh.....Dont tell them, but I have one working in my 4250HDC...;)

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CIDR:

hrmm, now I can't get zsnes to work

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CIDR:

I setup a player, and it just keeps tellling me to select a player, yet there's none to select

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CIDR:

Anyone use mythgame ?

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CIDR:

I followed the wiki but nothing launches

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ttuttle:

Hey, does anyone know a good USB TV tuner that can do ATSC and preferably QAM?

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ttuttle:

(And NTSC of course.)

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ttuttle:

I'd get a PCI card but all I've got is a laptop.

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\matt\:

clever awake?

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\matt\:

bash script and fifo didnt pan out so i ended up doing the guide toggle in perl

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\matt\:

http://pastebin.ca/826385

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\matt\:

that's what i finally ened up with =]

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nettow0822_:

anyone use netflix plugin?

[04:36:50]

CIDR:

Anyone use mythgame ?

[04:36:55]

CIDR:

I setup a player, and it just keeps tellling me to select a player, yet there's none to select

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CIDR:

I followed the wiki but nothing launches

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Chicago:

Mythgame never worked for me.

[04:37:28]

Chicago:

I had the cool sdl all compiled and gxmame worked great, but mythgame kinda just went 'poof' and never loaded a game.

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CIDR:

yeah, never does anything for me

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nettow0822_:

I tried the command line for setting up the account info but I got a bash error

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Chicago:

It would be nice to add fretsonfire as a 'mythgame'

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Chicago:

I have that compiled too. . . and I usually have to exit myth... edit my .xinitrc and then etc. .

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CIDR:

Yeah, just could never figure out why it didn't work.

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CIDR:

I don't think it's a "focus" issue, as mplayer works fine

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psm321:

hi

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psm321:

with comcast starting to move channels off analog cable, i'm starting to look at alternatives... i'd like to avoid receivers and blasters, so was wondering how much dish has available unencrypted (or if theres a way for legit subscribers to get the encrypted channels on the computer)

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tcpsyn:

evening gents

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elitest:

I have a question

[06:32:03]

elitest:

what is the difference between the wintv 150 250 250 500 etc?

[06:33:07]

mikeones:

elitest: did you check the winki? it's all there.

[06:33:29]

elitest:

yeah i have been to the wiki

[06:33:51]

elitest:

perhaps I missed it do you have a link

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elitest:

I don't come to IRC to be referred to the wiki

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mikeones:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Hardware

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elitest:

thx

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Tanthrix:

elitest: And we don't come to IRC to answer questions that can be answered in about 45 seconds of reading on the wiki, but instead to help those with problems too complex for such things. (Just to be as snarky as you just were ;)

[07:12:35]

Tanthrix:

elitest: But here's it in a nutshell anyway: 250 is old, and has been replaced by the PVR-150, so ignore it entirely. The PVR-150 is the defacto standard for analog recording, and the PVR-500 is two 150s on one card for dual tuning. The 350 is an old card that has an onboard mpeg2 decoder and TV out. It's also considered obsolete.

[07:13:07]

Floppe:

too many questions are OT IMO

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\matt\:

are there no tv tuner cards that support encrypted digital cable?

[07:19:54]

Tanthrix:

None in linux, and essentially none in windows.

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Tanthrix:

\matt\: Read this, it lays out all of your options for digital cable: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Digital_Cable

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elitest:

thanx for the expanded explanation

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psm321:

i'm guessing the situation is similar for satellite?

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elitest:

just because it is a basic thing for you doesn't mean it is for me

[07:23:59]

Tanthrix:

elitest: True enough. You'd just be wise to keep comments that sound a wee bit self-entitled to yourself. Most people around here aren't as nice as me to newbies. There are some here that wish death and pain on anyone who answers any question whose answer exists somewhere on the internet already.

[07:25:24]

elitest:

i absolutely agree with you but the info on the wiki doesn't explain in several pages what you explained to me in 4 lines

[07:26:13]

elitest:

If I had the knowledge I would edit the wiki so that it would be more newb friendly but I don't right?

[07:26:34]

Tanthrix:

It's a big job. The wiki is pretty poorly organized right now.

[07:27:02]

Tanthrix:

Still, it's a wealth of info if you take the time to look through it.

[07:27:14]

Tanthrix:

I must be off, later all.

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elitest:

documentation is unfortunately the last thing that is done\

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elitest:

k thx for the answer

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poppy75:

i was wondering if someone could help me, i finally got things going with the em2880-dvb module and now the audio has like a high pitch buzz over it.

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justinh:

poppy75: funny, but audio from a DVB stream is digital. if there's any buzzing on it, that's coming from your soundcard not the DVB tuner

[07:49:52]

mchou:

or he has a ground loop somewhere

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poppy75:

well i am just trying to use basic cable

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poppy75:

i can only pick up about one HD channel here

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poppy75:

the thing is, when i choose DVB as the type, i can scan channels but when i try to watch it in the front end i get something about not locking the channel

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justinh:

Tanthrix: just read the scrollback. were you referring to me? ;) I wouldn't wish death on anyone whose question is answered in the wiki, only that they can never reproduce

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poppy75:

i think i might be setting the card wrong or something, the only way i can get the audio with problems and video is if i choose analog v4l, if i choose DVB DTV, i can scan but not watch,

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jduggan:

hmm

[09:03:16]

jduggan:

Government regulators have demanded that Sky offload most of its stake in ITV because it threatens competition in the TV market, and could harm consumers.

[09:03:21]

jduggan:

can only be a good thing

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directhex:

sky harm consumers in other ways, but no regulators are taking action there

[09:10:37]

jduggan:

true true

[09:16:15]

directhex:

i wonder why sky are so scared of me paying them money

[09:23:55]

justinh:

they're not. they just want it to be on their terms or else

[09:26:39]

justinh:

apparently Branson was clapping his hands at the regulator's decision because he wanted to buy a stake in ITV instead. Wouldn't that be pretty much the same kind of bad thing for consumers? then again, ITV is bad for consumers anyway even if they don't realise it. Brain rotting crap

[09:29:00]

justinh:

I hope to $deity Sky don't get their 'Picnic' thing off the ground. that's only going to cause yet more DTV confusion

[09:31:36]

directhex:

i don't mind subscriptions, i mind locked down subscriptions

[09:32:46]

justinh:

well, they won't get their big fat monopoly without locking it all down tight ;)

[09:33:08]

justinh:

anyway... WTH is 'anamorphic' supposed to mean? I thought it was _amorphic_

[09:34:18]

directhex:

nah, anamorphic is the term

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justinh:

I picked 'amorphic' from a broadcast industry article referring to a lens designed to shoot 16:9 content with a 4:3 camera

[09:36:10]

justinh:

remember that most distinctly

[09:38:08]

justinh:

must've been wrong. just goes to show you can't even trust pre-wikipedia sources :P

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justinh:

I can barely believe this. xvid isn't supported by ubuntu's default ffmpeg

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directhex:

erm, are you sure?

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justinh:

"Unknown codec 'xvid'" isn't telling me otherwise

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hashbang:

Dibblah: you about this morning?

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hashbang:

anyone else noticed juddering on mytharchive-burnt DVDs when played in a real DVD player, but not in MythTV's internal DVD player?

[09:46:08]

directhex:

DEVSDT mpeg4

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hashbang:

seems to only happen if I re-encode DVB-T sourced material

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directhex:

i can definitely read xvid encoded files with ffmpeg -i

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directhex:

justinh, what command line isn't working?

[09:51:54]

directhex:

http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/faq.html#SEC17

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justinh:

-vcodec xvid

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justinh:

ahh it changed

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justinh:

those buggers are always doing that and it's officially VERY ANNOYING NOW

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directhex:

it's a gift for us slobs with devices that play mpeg4, but not with a fourcc of xvid. or something

[09:55:30]

directhex:

i expect. maybe

[09:55:36]

directhex:

anyway, off to... MILTON KEYNES!

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justinh:

ooo lucky you

[09:56:00]

directhex:

land of 1001 surprises. and concrete cows.

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justinh:

I know some people from MK. they're very nice but dull as dishwater

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directhex:

it's a long drive, but MK is good for shops

[10:00:57]

Dibblah:

Yeah, great if you need a few roundabouts in your life, too.

[10:01:21]

directhex:

of course! roundabouts make the world go, um, round

[10:01:22]

Dibblah:

hashbang: Yes, but I have no idea as to a solution for your issue :(

[10:04:10]

justinh:

I'm going into Manchester centre tomorrow morning. dead early

[10:04:21]

justinh:

only got one more pressie to buy

[10:04:42]

justinh:

the majority of what I have left to do is preparing digickle meeja for stuff :(

[10:05:17]

justinh:

putting effing Robbie (talentless gimp) Williams onto an iPoo Nanoo

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directhex:

justinh, much as it's like picking your favourite shit, robbie is less bad than the other members of britain's favourite boyband ever

[10:09:36]

justinh:

is that saying particularly much though?

[10:09:43]

hashbang:

Dibblah: thanks anyway! :-)

[10:09:49]

justinh:

which is worse? AIDS or Hepititus C ?

[10:09:55]

directhex:

that depends. as einstein said, everything is relative

[10:10:36]

directhex:

if we work on an absolute scale of talent, then yeah. but if you alter the axis to the local scale, then there's definite differences

[10:10:52]

directhex:

i mean, look at it this way – a top-end epia is better than a 600mhz eden, right?

[10:11:38]

justinh:

lol

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justinh:

it costs more money :P

[10:11:58]

justinh:

wouldn't say 'better'

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directhex:

it'll rip through mp3 encoding in much faster time!

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directhex:

just because it'd be faste to get a pen and paper and run the LAME algorithm by hand, that's not the point!

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stuarta:

morning all

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gbee:

morning

[10:39:36]

stuarta:

it's all quiet on the western front today

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Dibblah:

Apart from the 502 open tickets, you mean? ;)

[10:43:45]

stuarta:

more referring to the tumbleweed in here :)

[10:44:12]

Dibblah:

... It just means they're planning something.

[10:45:18]

stuarta:

hmmm, tumbleweed lurking with intent

[10:48:32]

stuarta:

ch5 need to start broadcasting programid information.

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stuarta:

everyone else is

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stuarta:

!trout ch5 lack of programid

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** MythLogBot slaps ch5 with a lack of programid trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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Andycasss:

How to restore mythconverg from a backup?

[11:12:56]

xand:

how did you back it up?

[11:20:59]

Andycasss:

Well, i got it working, except when i launch frontend it keeps asking me to select the default mythtv backend server, the only thing in that list is "Do not connect to mythbackend", when i select it, it loads up just fine with right theme, keys etc...

[11:21:10]

Andycasss:

How to make it automatic?

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stuarta:

that's the upnp stuff

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Andycasss:

in terminal it said "empty localhost name"

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Andycasss:

although i did specify in setup that the host is 127.0.0.1 (or localhost)

[11:24:44]

Andycasss:

anyone?

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Andycasss:

should i use the -d argument? Because it looks like a little bug

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Dibblah:

Is the backend running?

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Andycasss:

dibblah: yes

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Dibblah:

Same box?

[11:39:11]

Andycasss:

yeah

[11:39:16]

Andycasss:

and btw, im using the cvs

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Dibblah:

Also, if you're running current SVN, remove all mysql.txt files and see if it works better.

[11:39:32]

Dibblah:

If you're using CVS, you're waaaay out of date ;)

[11:39:41]

Andycasss:

uh, i meant svn, sorry

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stuarta:

heh

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Dibblah:

That has been shut down now, right? :)

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Andycasss:

which mysql.txt files?

[11:40:18]

Andycasss:

Where can i find those?

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Dibblah:

~/.mythtv

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Andycasss:

k, ill check em

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Dibblah:

Also remove config.xml, maybe.

[11:40:51]

Dibblah:

And don't use hostnames anywhere.

[11:41:03]

Andycasss:

but using the -d argument basically just ignored it and it launches great

[11:41:20]

Dibblah:

Pastebin mythfrontend -v upnp

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Dibblah:

I think.

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Andycasss:

sec

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Dibblah:

Wasn't there a comment a little while back that UPnP was broken in current SVN?

[11:42:59]

Andycasss:

here: http://andycas.pri.ee/files/log

[11:43:35]

Andycasss:

i dont understand why it keeps telling "Empty LocalHostName."

[11:43:54]

Andycasss:

I have defined it in setup, with ip or just the "andy-desktop"

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Dibblah:

That's OK.

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Dibblah:

It means in mysql.txt, I believe.

[11:44:55]

Dibblah:

It defaults to the hostname of the machine.

[11:45:11]

Dibblah:

However, once again – Make sure you're only using IP addresses in mythtv-setup.

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Andycasss:

i am

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Dibblah:

Pastebin mythbackend -v upnp

[11:46:03]

Andycasss:

Dibblah: I pasted the log there: http://andycas.pri.ee/files/log

[11:46:14]

Dibblah:

Ah, wait. Loopback doesn't do multicast, does it?

[11:46:26]

Dibblah:

Andycasss: That's the frontend.

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Andycasss:

sorry

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Dibblah:

Andycasss: Set the IP addresses in mythtv-setup to the real IP addresses.

[11:47:04]

Dibblah:

Not 127.0.0.1

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Andycasss:

http://andycas.pri.ee/files/log2

[11:47:53]

Andycasss:

I have tried that too, dib

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Andycasss:

btw, ignore those IPTVChan lines there...

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Dibblah:

pastebin ifconfig

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Andycasss:

Dibblah: http://andycas.pri.ee/files/ifconf

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Dibblah:

Okay. It definitely won't work (upnp) on 127.0.0.1

[11:57:38]

Dibblah:

Without some futzing.

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Dibblah:

It should work on eth1, assuming you restarted the backend. I'm most confused.

[11:58:04]

Dibblah:

-d is a solution.

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Andycasss:

so, its a bug

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Dibblah:

Andycasss: Multicast / UPnP isn't working for you. I don't know why.

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Andycasss:

meh, yeah...

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mr-at:

hi, know someone how many bandwidth is needed between backend and frontend server

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justinh:

mr-at: depends what kind of content you're using

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mr-at:

i'll stream tv

[12:21:58]

justinh:

duh!

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justinh:

SDTV/HDTV/que ?

[12:22:21]

justinh:

you're talking about at least 5mbits/sec

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mr-at:

justinh: HDTV

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justinh:

call it a maximum of 18mbits/sec then

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justinh:

er.. a maximum minimum of 18mbits/sec guaranteed continuous throughput

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justinh:

that sorta rules out most forms of wireless unless you're very blessed

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mr-at:

justinh: thanks I'll test it

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mr-at:

I've 100mbit full duplex between the machines and a litte voip traffik

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mr-at:

I think, thats ok

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justinh:

that's gonna be just fine

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justinh:

another 2 frontends or using a network share to store it all on, start thinking about gigabit ;)

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mr-at:

justinh: I'll store recording to local disks and I sync mp3 data from file server in offtimes

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justinh:

I get pretty near 9MB/sec out of my 100mbit network at home. not much traffic other than mythtv :)

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gbee:

for those Ubuntu luvvies out there: http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/ubuntu_stickers/

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Dibblah:

justinh: Do you use the opengl painter?

[13:02:08]

Dibblah:

Do you see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4148

[13:02:14]

Dibblah:

that behavior?

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Dibblah:

gbee: Is that your site, or...?

[13:03:51]

gbee:

Dibblah: nowt to do with me, just saw mention of it elsewhere

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Dibblah:

Ah, right :)

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gbee:

I'm _not_ an ubuntu fan, so I wasn't interested in free case stickers but figured there might be some interest here

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** stuarta ho-hums **

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justinh:

Dibblah: detest the fade. never use opengl

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Dibblah:

Okay.

[13:33:47]

justinh:

what does it have to do with me anyway?

[13:34:52]

justinh:

mythtv works fine for me pretty much all the time in terms of – I've never really seen it crash – certainly not enough to count in terms of a percentage ;)

[13:35:20]

Dibblah:

justinh: It's a fault with the Intel driver.

[13:35:35]

justinh:

works great here (tm)

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justinh:

at the moment anyway

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Dibblah:

I haven't seen it and don't have the opengl painter either.

[13:36:11]

justinh:

the fade's too slow and besides I can't tell any difference in quality using the gl painter

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Dibblah:

There is no quality difference, really.

[13:36:50]

Dibblah:

And have you tried it on your new hardware? :)

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justinh:

yeah well – remember all the ML posts about the gl painter? people saying every screen looked so much sharper :P

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Dibblah:

Oh, BTW – 0.0–10.0 sec 1.01 GBytes 867 Mbits/sec

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justinh:

Dibblah: I hate the fade

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** Dibblah loves gigabit :) **

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Dibblah:

That's with the NICs on the Asus board.

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Dibblah:

Aopen, even.

[13:38:10]

Dibblah:

Knew it started with A. Got the wrong one.

[13:38:17]

justinh:

hell even if the UI had loads of bling I expect I'd have it turned off most of the time if it slowed anything down

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justinh:

if you have to wait for a thing to stop moving.. bleugh

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Dibblah:

You don't.

[13:39:00]

Dibblah:

The next menu is actually active before the fade starts.

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justinh:

the fade, even with fully accelerated GL seems to take about quarter of a second

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Dibblah:

But anyway, it is rather pointless :)

[13:39:34]

Dibblah:

Yeah, that's because it uses set sleeps.

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justinh:

any UI animation is gonna have to be optional in future. as in user-settable IMHO

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Dibblah:

ie the transition uses a certain number of steps.

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justinh:

it uses 255 steps, I know I looked in the code

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Dibblah:

AFAIR, that code is rather nasty anyway.

[13:41:08]

justinh:

looked pretty state-machine like from what I know of it

[13:41:17]

Dibblah:

But I shouldn't complain, since about 10 lines of Myth is mine :)

[13:41:34]

justinh:

I have about 20 lines to my name all told.. maybe 30. maybe less now :P

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justinh:

I don't count XML

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justinh:

any dildo can edit XML

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Dibblah:

It's still 'code' to many people.

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justinh:

it's all heiroglyphics to me ;)

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Dibblah:

Now the big ugly query, THAT's heiroglyphics.

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justinh:

it's uber scary that thing

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Dibblah:

I once took a good half day looking at it. And still wasn't half way through.

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justinh:

blimmin queries on top of joins on top of queries..

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Dibblah:

Now if Myth was normalised... ;)

[13:43:54]

justinh:

if myth was.. ahhh

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Dibblah:

The database, I mean.

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justinh:

if I was in power, I'd ban LED Christmas lights and illuminated inflatables

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justinh:

but myth isn't, and I'm not :P

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Dibblah:

Personally, I like China.

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justinh:

I'd also order the televised execution of Leona Lewis just for good measure

[13:45:34]

Dibblah:

... Here, a corporate exec defrauds a company of millions, gets a wrist slap.

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Dibblah:

There, they execute them.

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justinh:

and ban anything that can play music through a tinny speaker

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justinh:

merry Christmas everyone :)

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Dibblah:

Ho, Ho effin ho, what a crock of ..., we all work for Santa Clause, We've had enough we quit. Stick your christmas up your arse, ho ho effin ho! ;)

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justinh:

woo good these Robbie Williams viddies have stopped converting. now to squeeze them onto the iPoo

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justinh:

Dibblah: classic. my fave is "hey Santa Claus ya c***" though

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justinh:

and you certainly can't beat a bit of Bob Rivers at this time of year

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Dibblah:

Or Tom Mabe.

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justinh:

never heard of him. google will know

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Dibblah:

An example: Cold called by a telemarketer for funeral home pre-booking.

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Dibblah:

Pretends to be suicidal and taking it "as a sign".

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justinh:

rofl

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justinh:

"Did you ever think at the end of the day that Michael Jackson would be a better parent than Britney, at least Michael plays with his children"

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Dibblah:

Unfortunately, it's all pay-for CDs stuff. But funny, nonetheless.

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justinh:

I'll put it up on my list for next year

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nettow0822:

would it be better to use the opengl option over qt for the paint engine? If I have a good nividia card?

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justinh:

nettow0822: not really

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Dibblah:

justinh: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xi9qf_the-ul . . . -a-telemarke

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justinh:

woot! ffmpeg on linux really managed to convert videos into ipoo compatible format! one in the eye for the Stupid Point & Click Ipoo Video Converter Thing on Windows :)

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nettow0822:

could you tell me the difference or point to th einfo?

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justinh:

nettow0822: not really any visible difference

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justinh:

apart from the opengl painter makes you watch the menu screens fade into one another

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justinh:

some call that 'cool'. not a word I'd use

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nettow0822:

ok ty

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justinh:

it can make a difference with some themes on some screen elements but only in that they support transparency with the opengl painter (stuff like transparent text.. bleugh)

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justinh:

other than that, no change really

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Dibblah:

justinh: Aha! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9nJ0rpAcqk

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Iolaus:

Does anyone know of a good tutorial for installing myth-tv from source in Ubuntu?

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opello:

install build-essential and follow any other document about installing from source?

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opello:

(and any other dependencies like mysql, ...)

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gbee:

Iolaus: aside from the dependancies, installing from source is straightforward, download, run "./configure" in the directory, then "make", followed by "sudo make install"

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Iolaus:

gbee: thanks for the info. Is there a list of dependencies I should install before building myth somewhere?

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Beirdo:

apt-get build-dep mythtv should catch most if not all of them

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justinh:

ahhhh. glug! Irish coffee mmmmmmm

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Beirdo:

gimme :)

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Iolaus:

Beirdo: Thanks for the tip!

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** justinh passes Beirdo a big mug of Irish coffee **

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Beirdo:

I just woke up at like 11am.. muhahah

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Beirdo:

Iolaus, no problem, I hope that all the deps are in there :) They should be, but who knows.

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justinh:

lucky for some. 7am the bedroom light came on this morning. no lie in for me. some day off

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Beirdo:

yuck

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Beirdo:

well, I got up at 6:30 for about half an hour... then back to bed for the long count

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Beirdo:

hehe

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fred_basset:

how's the puppy?

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Beirdo:

our doggie is most accomodating when it comes to sleep :)

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justinh:

just been walkin the doggy. some days he can meet other dogs & be more than just fine. today was one of them days :) seems to have taken a liking to running though :-\

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fred_basset:

puppy+++ = doggie

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Beirdo:

she's great. still acts like a puppy, although she's just over 1yr old

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justinh:

I'm not sure dogs ever do fully mature. Rory is just like a pup when he's playing

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** fred_basset wants a puppy **

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justinh:

I think they might get more worldy wise in terms of what's good & bad but that might be about it

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Beirdo:

oh, our dog LOVES to run. open the front door, and she'll be half-way down the neighborhood pissing off the other dogs in no time

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justinh:

he's more fun than a 6 year old cat though, so I'm glad we got a doggie not a moggie ;)

[15:39:16]

justinh:

still chases his tail ffs :)

[15:39:22]

Beirdo:

well, Princess is a Labrador Retriever mix.. Labs are known for taking around 3 years to get mentally mature. They are puppies at heart for a long time

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fred_basset:

damn i was about to do that

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Beirdo:

destructo-mutt

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justinh:

in my experience cats play much less when they get older

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justinh:

before we got Rory I was much more of a cat person too. how that turned around...

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Beirdo:

yeah, cats tend to calm down fairly quickly. Kittens are fun, cats are snotty companions :)

[15:40:47]

justinh:

if you want an older pet to be aloof, get a cat

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Beirdo:

yup

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justinh:

they are the epitome of the word aloof ;)

[15:41:02]

Beirdo:

or a fish

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justinh:

hehehehe

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justinh:

they're about on a par

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Beirdo:

I just don't see fish as much of a pet... not much interaction there

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justinh:

and you don't have to worry much about a fish getting run over by a car when it's out

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fred_basset:

fish are boring

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Beirdo:

true

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Beirdo:

unless you get pirhana maybe

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justinh:

we toured a few pet shops in Oldham market last weekend. man they have some cool stuff in there. scorpions!

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fred_basset:

fighting fish, now there's an idea

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Beirdo:

scorpions?!

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Beirdo:

get a meerkat to eat them while you're at it

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justinh:

now don't get me wrong, I respect our doggy. but a scorpion HAS to be respected

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Beirdo:

heh, true

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Beirdo:

what kinda doggy, BTW?

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justinh:

don't think I'd ever get myself something which could theoretically kill or mame me though

[15:43:30]

Beirdo:

yeah, that's generally bad planning

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justinh:

black lab, got him from the local rescue place

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Beirdo:

nice.

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Beirdo:

welcome to the world of labs. great dogs, but attention whores

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justinh:

great setup there. we tried the place last – all the others we went to were the usual ones which make you trail past loads of cages seeing them in all their misery :(

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Beirdo:

our lab mutt... she was rescued from the street as a puppy. her mommy (a black lab) got killed by a car :(

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fred_basset:

:(

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justinh:

but Millstream was ace. they asked us the kind of thing we were looking for, we arranged an appointment & they sat us down in a private area & brought _him_ in to meet _us_

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Beirdo:

one of my wife's coworkers rescued the survivors.

[15:45:28]

Beirdo:

justinh, now that is the sign of a caring place

[15:46:32]

justinh:

felt kinda guilty not taking one from the other places, since most had blimmin notes saying how long they'd been there, and how long left (just about, since they all say the average stay is 6 months and only one said they never put a healthy dog down)

[15:46:48]

Beirdo:

time to play "fetch the squeaky toy" withmy attention whore.

[15:47:00]

justinh:

hahaha. I know that feeling ;)

[15:47:16]

justinh:

even at 6 years old he's still at it, this one here

[15:47:22]

Beirdo:

the good thing is, I can do so while sitting here at the computer :)

[15:47:48]

justinh:

what we try to do at weekends is take him on a really long walk & play while he's out. by the time we get him home he's ready to go to sleep

[15:47:54]

Beirdo:

yup

[15:48:08]

Beirdo:

tire him out. that way you get some non-doggie time :)

[15:48:39]

justinh:

losing my pot with all the walking, gone down a few belt notches too

[15:48:47]

Beirdo:

nice

[15:48:49]

justinh:

I get at least 40 mins walk every day

[15:48:58]

Beirdo:

nice

[15:49:15]

Beirdo:

we should do that more often

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justinh:

can't say I was happy about it to start with – anybody remember the 'it's HER dog or else' before we got him? :P

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justinh:

some sucker I turned out to be

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Beirdo:

she sees her harness and she practically drags us out the door

[15:49:46]

Beirdo:

hehe. yeah, well.

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Beirdo:

dogs are great companions. :)

[15:50:25]

Beirdo:

jedix, how's the weather in Ottawa?

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justinh:

and now Mrs thinks that since she talked me into getting the doggie, it's possible to con me into anything. we'll see

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Beirdo:

oh oh

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[15:51:12]

Beirdo:

stay FAR away from jewelry stores

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justinh:

heh. brb. time to see to the attention seeker

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Beirdo:

have fun :)

[15:53:11]

** Beirdo considers what to work on today... ruby on rails is quite a learning experience. **

[15:55:58]

fred_basset:

i'm not sure i'd consider that fun

[15:56:23]

fred_basset:

bored writing gpu code?

[15:56:34]

Beirdo:

well, learning this as it may help me get paid work soon

[15:56:48]

fred_basset:

ah, always good.

[15:57:15]

Beirdo:

yeah. I'm putting together a website for me to use for cataloging my stamp collection

[15:57:35]

Beirdo:

need to get a scanner though so I can have everything in there that I want

[15:57:36]

Beirdo:

;)

[15:58:04]

Beirdo:

I have google maps integrated though. that was fun

[16:00:43]

justinh:

ROFLMAO!

[16:01:08]

jedix:

Beirdo: alright

[16:01:09]

jedix:

why?

[16:01:24]

jedix:

a lot of snow this year

[16:01:25]

Beirdo:

just curious :) used to live in Ottawa...

[16:01:28]

justinh:

sorry. just ran up stairs with a dentastick. came in the computer room, rory after me in hot pursuit. he couldn't stop on the wood floor. heheheh

[16:01:29]

jedix:

but not too bad

[16:01:35]

Beirdo:

now I live in the land of no snow

[16:01:47]

Beirdo:

justinh, nice. crazy dog :)

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justinh:

I live in the land of "no snow, but if a snowflake ever hits a car windscreen, it causes a 20 car pile-up on the motorway"

[16:02:35]

Beirdo:

yesterday Princess went to grab her dead Barney (which was free...) and tried to jump on the bed at the same time... CLONK!

[16:02:38]

Beirdo:

hehe

[16:02:39]

fred_basset:

and everyone starts driving at 10 mph

[16:02:53]

justinh:

no squeaky toy fun today. wanted a tug of war. I'm gonna be knackered

[16:02:59]

Beirdo:

oy!

[16:02:59]

gbee:

I remember there being a decent amount of snow fall when I was a kid, but it seems like less falls each year

[16:03:30]

Beirdo:

well, if it ever snows here in Puerto Rico, I'd probably be one in 4 million people who's done much driving in it

[16:03:37]

justinh:

gbee: in the 1970s.. 78 I think. we'd just moved house & there was a drift right up to the eaves of the roof at the back

[16:03:55]

justinh:

I remember walking along a road alongside the tops of lamp posts too

[16:04:04]

Beirdo:

OK, there's bound to be a FEW people who drove in it in the US, but not many. Hell these morons slow down when it starts a light rain!

[16:04:24]

Beirdo:

or if they see a cop car

[16:04:39]

Beirdo:

doesn't matter that they are already at or below the speed limit. gotta slow down

[16:05:11]

justinh:

in my first job we'd have people who lived like 2 miles away not make it into work yet the managers who lived 30 miles away could

[16:05:41]

justinh:

difference being a few hundred feet above sea level ;)

[16:05:53]

Beirdo:

heh

[16:06:15]

justinh:

driving back up there on Sunday. Drivin' 'home' for Christmas :D

[16:06:47]

Beirdo:

nice

[16:06:54]

justinh:

doesn't snow anything like it used to when I was a kid. pity. I want to go sledging again!!!!!!!

[16:07:13]

Beirdo:

heh, take a trip to Canada

[16:07:30]

jedix:

there's more snow here than I have seen in ottawa (last 7 years)

[16:07:41]

justinh:

I've almost talked my wife into a trip to Canada

[16:07:58]

Beirdo:

jedix, ouch. Tunney's Pasture gonna run out of storage room this year?

[16:08:01]

justinh:

get clicking that donate button folks! :P

[16:08:17]

Beirdo:

heh

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jedix:

apparently record breaking amounts.. since 1977 or something

[16:08:24]

Beirdo:

OMG

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jedix:

yeah, it's pretty funny

[16:10:07]

Beirdo:

well, I guess anything is possible. we had a tropical storm here in December this year

[16:10:29]

Beirdo:

someone forgot to tell nature that the tropical storm season was over

[16:10:30]

dserban:

justinh, donate for what?

[16:10:59]

** fred_basset extracts dserban from the rock he's been living under **

[16:11:09]

justinh:

dserban: I was kidding

[16:11:13]

Beirdo:

Hmmm, whiny mutt wants food, I think

[16:11:19]

dserban:

HEY MY ROCK WAS NICE!

[16:11:25]

justinh:

heheh had an email from a mate oop Norf. "Just popped out to get some lunch in town and within 100 yards I've been treated to the sight of a woman with her rack out throwing up everywhere and two drunken office types yelling abuse at the police walking past – it's like everyone outside our office is shitfaced. Not a good sign at half twelve"

[16:11:33]

dserban:

justinh, oh just wondering what you work on...?

[16:12:23]

justinh:

dserban: I churn out themes some people like. I'm not much of a fan of them anymore but there's no accounting for taste ;)

[16:12:31]

** fred_basset throws the rock back **

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dserban:

justinh, ahh, cool, speaking of themes... I switched to a few different ones and somehow some of my myth settings became "unconfigured".. got fed up and went to bed, I'll have to figure out what happened. So, justinh what themes have you put together?

[16:13:52]

** dserban throws darts at fred_basset **

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gbee:

180!

[16:14:27]

justinh:

ProjectGrayhem, ProjectGrayhem-wide, blootube-wide, blootube, blootubelite-wide, neon-wide, ProjectGrayhem-OSD, blootube-osd and glass-wide

[16:14:46]

justinh:

i.e. TOO FRICKIN MANY

[16:14:52]

** fred_basset growls **

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Beirdo:

oy

[16:15:10]

justinh:

hmmm. need another irish coffee. maybe without the coffee

[16:15:22]

Beirdo:

Princess musta heard you type tug of war

[16:15:46]

justinh:

I've been told by somebody who knows stuff, that I shouldn't let rory win that game, not ever

[16:15:50]

gbee:

guess I should finish metallurgy this weekend, getting a bit bored of working on it now

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nettow0822:

I'm trying to setup mythflix....do I need to do this on the master backend?

[16:16:14]

justinh:

when 'finished' is impossible, 'that'll do for me' works fine :P

[16:16:23]

justinh:

nettow0822: it's a frontend thing

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Beirdo:

hehe, sometimes you have no choice but lose the game

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justinh:

nettow0822: the only 'plugin' which can really be run on the backend per se is mythweb – and even then it doesn't have to run on the backend

[16:17:07]

nettow0822:

yes I know

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Beirdo:

oh damn, back on topic ;)

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Beirdo:

heh

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nettow0822:

ok

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nettow0822:

well the only reason I ask is that mysql get modified

[16:18:10]

dserban:

justinh, ahh nice themes. Good work!

[16:18:17]

fred_basset:

we have a topic?

[16:18:24]

Beirdo:

Woof!

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justinh:

dserban: thanks, I guess :)

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Beirdo:

ummm, yeah, I think we do, but we tend to ignore it

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stuarta:

ahh, back to myself

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stuarta:

yeah, we do..

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Beirdo:

oh, I just had a horrid thought

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Beirdo:

2008 is election year in the US. expect the channel to be overrun with politics come mid-year or so

[16:19:31]

Beirdo:

we'll have to keep the trout handy

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justinh:

oops. dunno wth happened there

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Beirdo:

heheh. hide the turban. quick

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nettow0822:

mythflix setup issue: when I try to follow the wiki....setup account info....I get this error:

[16:20:55]

nettow0822:

bash: /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythflix/scripts/netflix.pl: No such file or directory

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stuarta:

did you install myth into /usr/local?

[16:22:22]

nettow0822:

not sure... I use mythbuntu....

[16:22:27]

dserban:

I'm not american, but hey I'm rooting for Hillary, not only would she be the ruthless bitch that the states needs, but hey... if it turns out that she's a dyke... I'd do a dance... americans deserve a "scandalous" leader... they've been without one for ages... :o

[16:22:34]

Beirdo:

it's probably in /usr/share/....

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Beirdo:

dserban, I just wanna see Bill as "First Lady"

[16:22:53]

dserban:

lol

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Beirdo:

past that I don't care, they are all scum

[16:23:23]

dserban:

yep yep... though canada... meh we've got a right-wing bush-ass-kisser as leader...

[16:23:48]

Beirdo:

I wish Preston Manning were PM

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Beirdo:

heh

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dserban:

hopefully they call an election soon and kill the stupid bill that's been tabled aka DMCA

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dserban:

lol

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Beirdo:

well, I live in the US now (well PR), so I get the fun of DMCA anyways

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Beirdo:

now if only our cable provider didn't suck so bad

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dserban:

What's PR?

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Beirdo:

Puerto Rico

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dserban:

ahh

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justinh:

Beirdo: anyway re the election – you'll never see UK people talk politics at election time :P

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dserban:

right

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Beirdo:

a US "territory"

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dserban:

right ... sunshine and hurricanes?

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gbee:

:(

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Beirdo:

pretty much

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dserban:

Meh done with politics... just get a fire light up under my ass with this digital copyrights bill

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Beirdo:

lots o' rain at this time of year

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Beirdo:

dserban, so write your MP, see if he/she has any balls

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dserban:

Yeah? It's been weird this year... lots of snow a month ago... and almost nothing since...

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** stuarta wonders if the fire light is sparkly and multi coloured **

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dserban:

lol

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dserban:

I mis-typed :)

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dserban:

"just got a fire lit"

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dserban:

:P

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justinh:

I'm sure that if enough of you lot cared enough about it, you could raise enough funds to outbid the people who have the vested interest in getting such things passed ;)

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Beirdo:

just vote in the Marijuana Party. They'd be too stoned to pass it

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Beirdo:

and yes, there is/was such a party in Canada

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Beirdo:

argh! Firefox, stop being such a damn memory hog!

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Beirdo:

!trout Firefox

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** MythLogBot slaps Firefox with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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stuarta:

heh. try opening lots and lots of tabs

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Beirdo:

I only have about 15 open right now

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Beirdo:

I often have 30–40

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Beirdo:

I think I should add user email validation to my interface

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Beirdo:

that should take a bit of time

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justinh:

oh gawd. now the doggy is crying for something. he's played, he's been fed & watered, we've been for big walkies. wtf now?

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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Beirdo:

Princess does that too. I just don't get it sometimes

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mkrufky:

happy birthday, Beirdo

[16:38:32]

Beirdo:

thanks :) it's tomorrow, but close enough :)

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mkrufky:

:-)

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nettow0822:

how can I find out what is my root password for mysql?

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Beirdo:

oy. hit Ctrl-T... it needs to swap to make another tab!?

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Beirdo:

OK, firefox. time for you to be restarted, this is ridiculous

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justinh:

aww it was yet more play in the garden this time. it's minus 5 out there ffs

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

you sure you don't wanna cat? :)

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justinh:

he found an old seed tray & went loop da loop

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Beirdo:

there's just something to be said for an animal that just lies around

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justinh:

fun is a 2-way street ;)

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Beirdo:

oh GOD. Princess has barking fits at our guava tree

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Beirdo:

which reminds me... need to pot that mofo

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justinh:

the only fault I could say rory has would be that he's still not very sociable with other dogs. that said, he doesn't pee or crap in the house, or bark at any passers by (including dogs). he barked once at a squirrel in the garden though

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** justinh wonders if you can buy a "Beware The Dog (you might get jumped on and licked to death)" sign **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

if so, I want one too

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** stuarta suspect justinh could whip one up in about 10minutes **

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justinh:

heard a terrible case of a woman who worked in a dogs' home – a pitbull thing attacked her & she lost one arm & was in danger of losing the other. nice doggie :-\

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

ough

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Beirdo:

bad timing on my part

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Beirdo:

pit bulls are a menace when not trained properly. but people still think they are great dogs... until they eat a kid

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justinh:

who in their right mind would have one of them? wifey wanted a Staff. bull terrier cos they look 'cute' but I def. had none of that

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Beirdo:

even when trained properly, they are prone to psychotic breaks

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Beirdo:

I think I'll pass

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Beirdo:

Well, I think I should go repot that damn guava tree right now before I forget again

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Beirdo:

and take out the laundry to dry

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stuarta:

all before the missus comes home

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justinh:

I'll look at making a Beware the licky dog sign

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Beirdo:

we have a 5-line clothes line setup in the garage

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Beirdo:

:)

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** stuarta chuckles **

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Beirdo:

be back in a bit

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justinh:

have fun ;)

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justinh:

I've done all my chores bar the dishes. God how cuckolded do I sound? :P

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justinh:

oh dear oh dear. Oh dear. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a82130/docto . . . -groups.html

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stuarta:

that is so ridiculous i'm not even reading it

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jedix:

noooooooooooooooooooo

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justinh:

hmm I wish there was a local takeout that did noodles

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justinh:

really in the mood for spicy ramen

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Beirdo:

OK, potted the guava tree (need more soil!), brought out the laundry, started another load... time to play online again :)

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justinh:

oh ffs. these stupid photo frames we got are crap

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justinh:

16:9 aspect screen, so I thought crop photos to 16:9, job done! WRONG

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alexvd:

Hi I am having problems with channel change. Running mythbuntu backend with pvr cards and connected to the directv boxes with cable. Using the directv channel change script and its enabled has permissions. I dont get any errors in the logs and I can run the script at command prompt without issue. It worked when I first set it up but now it does not. The issue I have is having a frontend try to change channels on tuner

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alexvd:

s that are on the backend. I dont know how to troubleshoot.

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justinh:

the backend does any channel changes

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justinh:

test your channel change script works

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justinh:

if you have multiple cards, that means multiple scripts

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justinh:

one per IR blaster

[17:37:01]

justinh:

make sure the user mythbackend is running as, can run the script (mythtv on ubuntu IIRC)

[17:38:47]

justinh:

stop mythtv-backend and check in mythtv-setup that the channel change command path for each video source is correct

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gbee:

ntp is driving me mad, ntpd wasn't keeping the clock in sync and ntpdate run through a cron job doesn't seem to work either

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justinh:

just works on ubuntu. uh-oh. I said something good about it

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** justinh goes outside to thrash himself with twigs **

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gbee:

justinh: just works on my other machines, but on my backend the clock is drifting badly

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gnome42:

gbee: Did you run ntpdate while ntpd was running? I find you have to stop ntpd first for the ntpdate to work.

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gbee:

probably need to stick a new battery in there, but that doesn't really account for the level of drift I'm seeing in a machine that's never switched off

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Anduin:

gnome42: -u

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justinh:

mine would drift inordinately without ntp

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gbee:

gnome42: no, shutdown ntpd first

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gnome42:

Anduin: cool, thx :)

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gbee:

when I start ntpd it syncs just fine, but then it never seems to poll the servers after that

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justinh:

arghh stupid XP & its lame handling of USB devices!

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gbee:

same for ntpdate run manually, works fine but seems to fail without any error run as a cron job

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justinh:

I stopped the card reader device like you allegedly should to unmount it... and now it's not coming back up.

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alexvd:

justinh thanks i checked all those elements

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alexvd:

justinh: What is odd is that is myth thinks its changing the channel because the guide moves and mythweb will say its recoriding on the proper channel. I had it running on knoppmyth quite well. However on mythbuntu it seems to be having issues

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justinh:

dare I say it.. why change? ;)

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alexvd:

justinh: well i am asking myself that question. I wanted to do it so I had an easier way to get to storage groups via svn. Also knoppmyth was giving me issues with older legacy nvidia cards. However what i have found is mythbuntu is very nice and has nice interface but has a lot of bugs

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alexvd:

justinh:btw nice job on your themes

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justinh:

I wouldn't put anything with 'a lot of bugs' anywhere near 'very nice'

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alexvd:

justinh: point taken

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justinh:

it's young, so give it some credit :P

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justinh:

so I gather you must have as many IR blasters/serial cables as you have tuner inputs, right?

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justinh:

as for the script – is it just one script for all the STBs or do you have separate ones?

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alexvd:

I have two tuner cards on the backend. 1 running sony0.pl and 1 running sony1.pl /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyS1

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justinh:

myth will only pass the freqid to the script is what I'm trying to say ;)

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alexvd:

three pchdtv cards as well

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justinh:

do your channels all have freqid set?

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alexvd:

for a directv external tuner box

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alexvd:

?

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justinh:

yeah they need freqid or the script won't get which number it's supposed to change to

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alexvd:

huh I never had to do that before

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justinh:

I'll bet you did ;)

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justinh:

maybe before it might've been more transparent

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justinh:

some mysql might help you there

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iamlindoro_:

DTV STB into PCHDTV cards? Yuck! What a waste....

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alexvd:

No

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alexvd:

Directv boxes to pvr-250

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iamlindoro_:

whew

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alexvd:

three seperate pchdvt boxes for ota

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justinh:

hmm how would you copy one column entry to another? never had to do that

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** iamlindoro_ narrowly averts an aneurysm **

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justinh:

update channel set freqid=channum; ?

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justinh:

update channel set freqid=channum where vidsrc=$something; ?

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justinh:

alexvd: try doing it manually on a few channels first

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alexvd:

justinh: but it worked before without me doing that

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justinh:

yeah well, a lot has changed since datadirect ;)

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alexvd:

ahhhhhh So are you saying with schedules direct

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justinh:

or just check all your pvr channels have freqid set

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alexvd:

that this is now necessary

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alexvd:

justinh: i can check that in mythweb right

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justinh:

if you've got mythweb up :)

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alexvd:

checking now

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alexvd:

ok all freqid populated and correct.

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alexvd:

i am going to try and see what happens if i powercycle the box

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alexvd:

that is the directv box

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justinh:

FFS this damn photo frame is going in the bin!

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Beirdo:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, Could always re-gift it

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justinh:

so I stretched the photo to some stupid aspect & it's still pillarboxing it

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Beirdo:

you could give it to the dog as a toy

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justinh:

don't tell me I'm gonna have to hack the EXIF info

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Beirdo:

crunchy crunchy...

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justinh:

maybe there's a firmware update to turn it from a useless piece of junk

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Beirdo:

oh. best check that first :)

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justinh:

720x480 is the native res. crunchy

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justinh:

4:3 resolution on a 16:9 aspect? arghh

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mishehu:

ugh. the one problem with time is that there simply isn't enough of it. i've not even had a chance to update from 0.20.2 to see if the problems i have with dvd menus and with widescreen dvds getting stretched on a 4:3 display instead of being bannerized have been fixed.

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alexvd:

hehehehe

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alexvd:

i figured it out. I am moron the cables are swapped.

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alexvd:

Now fix channel icons

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justinh:

roflmao. this photo frame needs anamorphic images. FFS what a crock!

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justinh:

and looking at the screen up close, it's outputting an interlaced signal

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justinh:

oh sweet baby yeysus

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justinh:

it'll do

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justinh:

inlaws'll never figure out the image scaling though

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alexvd:

justinh: i feel your pain on the photo frames i was trying to get the one that remotely downloads pics forever

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justinh:

btw am I the only person living with a woman who likes using the wrong aspect on the TV whenever there's an attractive woman onscreen/in the film ? makes em look fat, see :P

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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The_Rebel:

hey there

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The_Rebel:

can someone please help me out?

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gbee:

The_Rebel: we don't know until you ask a question

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The_Rebel:

right

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The_Rebel:

i get an error when i try to launch "watch Tv"

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The_Rebel:

"Mythtv has encountered an error"

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The_Rebel:

could you please take a look at this pastebin dump of what my terminal outpots after executing "mythfrontend"?

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The_Rebel:

http://pastebin.com/m446f2fa1

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The_Rebel:

i dont know anything abut mythtv so i can't really troubleshoot this by myself

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gbee:

The_Rebel: can't access the file /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1260_20071221100755.mpg

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gbee:

could be a permissions problem?

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The_Rebel:

is that a buffer file for "live tv" streams?

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gbee:

yes, in this case

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The_Rebel:

okay what do you think i should do?

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gbee:

1260 is the channel id, followed the starttime of the recording

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The_Rebel:

chmod a+x?

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gbee:

well first I'd checked that the user running mythfrontend has read/write permissions for /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/

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gbee:

execute permissions shouldn't be needed

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The_Rebel:

im using mythbuntu btw

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gnome42:

The_Rebel: also, looks like X server config issues maybe. ie. no XVideo

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The_Rebel:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 0 2007-12–21 10:04 nfslockfile.lock

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The_Rebel:

"ls -l /var/lib/mythtv/recordings

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gbee:

the X issues may be causing the problems which follow, doesn't seem likely but it can't be ruled out

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gbee:

I skipped lunch and if I don't eat soon they'll find my body slumped over this machine, so I've got to go

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The_Rebel:

alright, enjoy your launch gbee

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The_Rebel:

lunch*

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gnome42:

gbee: yeah, good idea :)

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The_Rebel:

i think i know what the issue is

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The_Rebel:

i'll start with x11

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gnome42:

The_Rebel: do regular recording work OK for you?

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The_Rebel:

umm i haven't recorded anything

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The_Rebel:

i just installed and configured Mythbuntu (for the first time)

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The_Rebel:

i had to recompile my kernel with a patch so that my disecq switch would get full power

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gnome42:

ahh, OK. Maybe need to start with looking in the backend log to see if its recording OK.

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The_Rebel:

but when i recompiled i think i left out my proprietary nvida drivers

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The_Rebel:

after i rebooted i noticed my resolutions and monitor weren't beind detected

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The_Rebel:

being*

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gnome42:

yeah, that's for playback. Need to verify that recording is working correctly first.

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The_Rebel:

so i have to make sure recordings are working before playback..?

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The_Rebel:

i only get this error when i try to watch live tv..

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gnome42:

yeah, start with that. You can't playback what you haven't recorded :)

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The_Rebel:

so you want me to look at the backend logs?

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The_Rebel:

where might they be?

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The_Rebel:

nvm

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The_Rebel:

found 'em

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gnome42:

k :)

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gnome42:

try scheduling a manual record of just a few minutes to see if it records OK

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The_Rebel:

how can i do that?

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The_Rebel:

when i click on "watch tv" mythtv goes black then i get the error

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The_Rebel:

is there and EPG or something that i can access elsewhere?

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gnome42:

do you have mythweb installed and working?

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The_Rebel:

idk haven't tried it yet

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The_Rebel:

http://pastebin.com/m77ad287d

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The_Rebel:

here's my backend log

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The_Rebel:

i'll go check out mythweb

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gnome42:

k, you can do it in mythfrontend as well. Manage Recordings ->Schedule Recordings -> Manual ...

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iamlindoro_:

I'm not a big DVB person, but it seems from that log that you may want to rescan channels, with all thsoe wrong PMT messages

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gnome42:

iamlindoro: those are nomral messages I think

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iamlindoro_:

Are they? OK, I'll defer, no DVB here :)

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gnome42:

should maybe be changed to Info: instead of error

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The_Rebel:

mythweb doesn't work :/

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gnome42:

iamlindoro: yeah, I think it tells you about all the wrong PMT's while looking for the correct one.

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iamlindoro_:

ah, makes sense. Yeah, I see it trying each there

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The_Rebel:

i guess i should also mention that i patched MythTV with NA-dvb fixes

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gnome42:

I gotta run, but I suggest not bothering with Live TV until you can do scheduled recording.

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iamlindoro_:

The_Rebel, I'm late to the party, but I presume the existence of and permission of your recording dir are correct?

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The_Rebel:

"ls -l /var/lib/mythtv/recordings

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The_Rebel:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 0 2007-12–21 10:04 nfslockfile.lock

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The_Rebel:

i just scheduled a show..

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The_Rebel:

i went to watch it..

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The_Rebel:

screen went blank and it went back to the watch recording screen

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The_Rebel:

i'll get the log

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iamlindoro_:

maybe try temporarily chmod

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iamlindoro_:

ing that dir 777 or 755

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The_Rebel:

cam i paste 6 lines in here?

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The_Rebel:

or should i use pastebin

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The_Rebel:

can*

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iamlindoro_:

probably pastebin

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The_Rebel:

http://pastebin.com/m7077cfb3

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The_Rebel:

new log

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The_Rebel:

whilst recording and trying to play that recording

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The_Rebel:

i'll use chmod 777 on the recording dir to test things out..

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iamlindoro_:

yes, try that

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The_Rebel:

done

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iamlindoro_:

I kinda get the sense that the file is never being written at all, which is why I'm looking at perms

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The_Rebel:

shall i try again?

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iamlindoro_:

yep

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The_Rebel:

kk brb

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The_Rebel:

okay it seems to be working now

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iamlindoro_:

Perms fixed it?

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The_Rebel:

looks like it

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iamlindoro_:

nice

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The_Rebel:

thanks for your help guys!

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iamlindoro_:

np

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JoseJX:

Hi everyone. I'm getting "No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP." I don't want to put the actual machine's IP (as the troubleshooting guide suggests) since the IP changes pretty frequently on this network, no option for static IPs. I've checked, and that is set in the database, to 127.0.0.1. Any suggestions?

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JoseJX:

This is when starting mythbackend. The frontend is on the same machine.

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Yahooadam:

where is juski/justinh's site these days?

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jams:

http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/index.shtml

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Yahooadam:

ty

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Yahooadam:

a marginally harder one, what type of reciever is the xbox thingy?

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GreyFoxx:

ummmm what?

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Yahooadam:

when you compile lirc, what option do you choose for the xbox remote (like mceusb)

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Yahooadam:

i think its xir ... but i dont even know if thats a real option

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GreyFoxx:

Ahh, no idea

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Yahooadam:

ah ati_usb

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Yahooadam:

my MCE hdd died, so i couldnt recover all my files :(

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Yahooadam:

like the conf files for lirc (but i did get lirc.conf fortuently)

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anykey_:

Does anyone have an idea why my lirc_serial receiver would be recognzied (dmesg) but doesn't receive anything (tested with mode2)?

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Yahooadam:

argh

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Yahooadam:

cant get tv-out working :@

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Yahooadam:

bloody nvidia drivers

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gbee:

anykey_: "setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none"

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anykey_:

gbee: not that problem

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anykey_:

gbee: I can load the module

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gbee:

loose wire?

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anykey_:

don't think so. It receives the IR-code to turn the computer on

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clever:

that isnt allways easy

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clever:

might need a special uC to read the ir codes and trip a power on signal

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anykey_:

clever: well. _that_ works. but I can't receive anything when the system is started up

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

the uC needs to be made to let the pc control the receiver when the pc is up

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clever:

or to format the codes and pass them on

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clever:

i think the serial receiver mode polls the port constantly using up cpu power

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anykey_:

clever: it is made to do so

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clever:

if the uC did the polling and sent the formated info in it would probly use less of the main cpu power

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anykey_:

clever: another receiver of the same type works in another system

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clever:

but the lirc driver would need to be writen to handle that right

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clever:

ah thenuse that one:P

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anykey_:

not really ;)

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aslam:

i have a SAA7130 TV Tuner and it detects it but i cant get any video to show

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gbee:

bugger, missed the last couple of minutes of the last in series of Spooks

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bbeattie:

I can't figure out what is going on when I update the guide listing: 2007-12–21 14:01:59.255 Closing DB connection named 'DBManager0 \n 2007-12–21 14:01:59.255 Deleting UPnP client.. \n .QThread object destroyed while thread is still running \n Segmentation fault (core dumped)

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iamlindoro_:

-v all will give you better diagnostic info

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bbeattie:

Sometimes it pulls a few days worth, sometimes it segfaults on the first day, but it never inputs data.

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bbeattie:

(ie tv guide always has unknown)

[21:06:24]

Yahooadam:

segfault – uh oh

[21:06:31]

Yahooadam:

sign of bad hardware

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Yahooadam:

i suggest you run memtest

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iamlindoro_:

erm... a segmentation fault is almost *always* a software problem

[21:07:38]

iamlindoro_:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmentation_fault

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iamlindoro_:

bbeattie, run mythfilldatabase with verbose logging (-v all) to figure out exactly what step it's on when it segfaults

[21:08:28]

Yahooadam:

when i was getting segfaults (and my backend was broked) – after i changed my ram it worked fine

[21:08:53]

iamlindoro_:

yahooadam, that doesn't change the fact that 99% of segaults are software problems

[21:08:57]

Yahooadam:

despite memtest, prime95 and everything else passing fine

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Yahooadam:

fair enough, but as most of the people here are using the same software, i find it odd 1 person will be getting the error

[21:09:45]

iamlindoro_:

Yahooadam, every one of us is using the same software in vastly differing enviroments

[21:09:57]

Yahooadam:

thats also true

[21:10:06]

iamlindoro_:

bbeattie, further, you may want to get a backtrace and if there's no obvious resolution, file it as a bug

[21:10:50]

** stuarta m00's **

[21:11:03]

bbeattie:

K, checking into a few thigns now with -v

[21:12:02]

Iolaus:

Hey all, I'm trying to update my Mythbuntu install using the weekly trunk builds but I'm running into a problem with libmyth-perl. I tried to narrow down the problem by installing libmyth-perl by itself first but got the following error: http://pastebin.ca/827551. Anyone have a tip?

[21:13:01]

iamlindoro_:

iolaus, did you remove and purge your original packages first

[21:13:13]

iamlindoro_:

Iolaus, ps, lanczos swscaler is not in trunk yet ;)

[21:13:46]

Iolaus:

iamlindoro: no, I didn't. I was under the impression that the weekly mythbuntu packages acted as an upgrade

[21:13:48]

iamlindoro_:

Was trying to check into it for you, but got set straight on that yesterday... hasn't made it into trunk yet

[21:14:23]

iamlindoro_:

iolaus, don't know anything about mythbuntu weeklies, but I doubt that's the case... probably will need to remove the packages with --purge first

[21:14:33]

stuarta:

Iolaus: the packages are broken. complain to the packager

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iamlindoro_:

there's probably also a force option that you could use

[21:14:57]

Iolaus:

iamlindoro: that's bad news, this http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2287 made it sound like the lancsoz stuff had been added

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, I had read it that way too, but I seem to have been mistaken

[21:15:47]

Iolaus:

stuarta: thanks. I've posted a bug report with the Mythbuntu guys. Hopefully it'll get fixed up.

[21:16:00]

iamlindoro_:

Dibblah pointed out that the ticket isn't closed yet... once it is, you should be able to get what you wanted

[21:16:19]

Iolaus:

Ah! I didn't notice that.

[21:17:41]

Iolaus:

iamlindoro: did you get a chance to try out software scaling with mplayer?

[21:17:54]

Iolaus:

I got it looking quite good after playing with it for a bit

[21:18:02]

iamlindoro_:

yes, I did... looks pretty good to me... not night and day, but certainly noticable

[21:18:11]

iamlindoro_:

left it as my default option for now

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Iolaus:

you added the scale option to the video filters, right?

[21:18:39]

iamlindoro_:

yep

[21:18:56]

Iolaus:

cool, it may be your video card was just doing a better job scaling than mine to begin with

[21:19:26]

iamlindoro_:

Hmm... maybe. I'm using a fairly newish nVidia card... like I said, still a noticable improvement

[21:19:30]

Iolaus:

On my system the difference was huge. I had some very ugly blockiness with the default scaler.

[21:20:46]

Iolaus:

glad to hear it was an improvement at least :)

[21:20:57]

iamlindoro_:

Yeah, thanks for that

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Iolaus:

No problem. It will sure be nice to have that scaling in the internal player.

[21:22:51]

iamlindoro_:

yeah, will probably be a huge help for my nasty analog TV stuff

[21:23:37]

Yahooadam:

almost had mythtv working, except it wouldnt display on my tv >_<

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: thats just minor issues!

[21:27:36]

Yahooadam:

yeah not being able to watch – minor :p

[21:28:06]

iamlindoro_:

The Ubuntu Community guide is a great walkthrough and as long as you follow it carefully, should succeed

[21:28:16]

Iolaus:

iamlindoro: Do you know how to interpret that ticket? Does it represent the merging of mythvid into the trunk?

[21:28:33]

Yahooadam:

its all great, until you get to "TV-Out"

[21:28:40]

Yahooadam:

at which point it falls on its face

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iamlindoro_:

Iolaus, It does, but piecemeal... once it's closed it should be done

[21:28:50]

iamlindoro_:

Yahooadam, I mean the nvidia tvout howto

[21:29:02]

Yahooadam:

where :o

[21:29:05]

iamlindoro_:

no relation to the myth docs

[21:30:03]

iamlindoro_:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOut

[21:30:47]

iamlindoro_:

Second section is probably the one you want, pay close attention to setting your Refresh rates right, that's often the problem

[21:31:31]

iamlindoro_:

And there's some stuff that's not strongly emphasized, but important, so really do your best to follow it word for word

[21:32:32]

Yahooadam:

kk ty

[21:32:36]

iamlindoro_:

np

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Iolaus:

iamlindoro: I am correct in thinking mythvid is now merged into the trunk but the lanczos resizing just isn't implemented in mythvid yet?

[21:50:03]

iamlindoro_:

Iolaus, to be perfectly honest, to get the exact status you'll probably need to talk to whomever owns the ticket

[21:50:19]

iamlindoro_:

Because I don't want to give you bad info

[21:50:46]

Iolaus:

right on, guess I'll have to find danielk

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Yahooadam:

why do women turn into gibbering idiots the moment a baby enters the room

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stuarta:

yes the mythvid branch has been merged

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siXy:

Yahooadam: thats not just women

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Yahooadam:

aliens too? :p

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iamlindoro_:

I love babies... in the legal way

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Iolaus:

stuarta: So the mythvid branch has been merged but just hasn't finished implementing all the features listed in thsi ticket: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2287

[22:19:27]

cccp:

iamlindoro_: of course.... http://lulz.lulzmeister.de/excuses.jpg

[22:19:33]

cccp:

</offtopic>

[22:19:55]

stuarta:

Iolaus: after reading the ticket, the initial work has been merged to head, but there is still further work to be done.

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Yahooadam:

arg

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phrag:

hi guys, what sort of signal strength should i be getting?

[22:34:26]

phrag:

can't get it above 30%, and maximum i've had is like 45%

[22:34:33]

phrag:

DVB card

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iamlindoro_:

I don't use DVB, but if it's anything like ATSC, then that's not near enough

[22:36:36]

iamlindoro_:

but I suppose it depends entirely on whether you're getting usable picture

[22:36:44]

phrag:

i am getting no picture at all

[22:36:59]

iamlindoro_:

Then I suppose that answers the question

[22:37:01]

phrag:

when i bough tit last week i could get a signal about 45% and watch with minor glitches

[22:37:05]

phrag:

now there is nothing

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siXy:

there was (is?) a nasty bug that caused the backend to segfault with weak dvb signals, which may become a problem

[22:37:13]

phrag:

i don't know why, or how to fix it

[22:37:25]

Dibblah:

phrag: Signal level is inconsistent over all cards.

[22:37:37]

Dibblah:

The actual measurement doesn't mean anything.

[22:37:44]

siXy:

but i would replace your cables, buy a good signal booster and unplug any splitters you are using

[22:37:57]

phrag:

well maximum bit errors would suggest something is seriously wrong

[22:38:06]

Dibblah:

Nope.

[22:38:06]

phrag:

i am wondering if it's the cable or the card

[22:38:30]

Dibblah:

BER is also inconsistent occasionally. It means different things for different drivers.

[22:38:38]

phrag:

ok then, lack of picture would indicate something is seriously wrong =)

[22:38:53]

Dibblah:

Do you get a lock at all?

[22:39:02]

phrag:

yeah, always lock

[22:39:05]

Dibblah:

t/s/czap

[22:39:07]

phrag:

never any picture/sound

[22:39:23]

Dibblah:

You've only tried it in Myth?

[22:39:24]

phrag:

i should try tzap ?

[22:39:33]

Dibblah:

What's the source?

[22:39:41]

Dibblah:

DVB-t?

[22:39:45]

phrag:

yes, UK

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phrag:

this is my first experience with any tv cards, and i feel like i want to send it back for a refund =(

[22:40:25]

Yahooadam:

what card is it ?

[22:40:42]

Dibblah:

Yup. Buy one with Linux drivers in the box. Oh, wait :(

[22:40:55]

Yahooadam:

also, uk can use DVB-S and terrestrial, so it wasnt a stupid question ;)

[22:40:58]

phrag:

Haupague Nova-T 500 (dual tuner)

[22:41:18]

iamlindoro_:

Hahah, sometimes it seems like the ones touted as "linux compatible" are the worst off :) Usually because the companies write their own and you have to wait for a proper open source one to arrive

[22:41:21]

phrag:

i have the low noise amp enabled

[22:41:42]

Yahooadam:

is it the diversity model ?

[22:41:52]

phrag:

nope, i don't think so

[22:42:03]

Yahooadam:

does it have 2 ariel inputs?

[22:42:10]

phrag:

nope, just one

[22:42:17]

phrag:

don't think it is div model, i read about that

[22:42:17]

Yahooadam:

its probably not then

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phrag:

i'm tearing my hair out =P

[22:42:37]

Yahooadam:

um, its hard to say, my nova-t 500 works great ...

[22:42:58]

Dibblah:

Yahooadam: Firmware revision / driver version?

[22:43:02]

phrag:

Yahooadam, do you use the channel data ?

[22:43:35]

Yahooadam:

no idea dibblah

[22:43:38]

phrag:

even mplayer throws read errors

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Yahooadam:

i use the radio times phrag

[22:43:50]

Yahooadam:

did you follow http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI

[22:43:53]

phrag:

Yahooadam, mine failed in that one

[22:43:55]

phrag:

yes

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Dibblah:

phrag: Read errors as in?

[22:44:11]

Dibblah:

Also, can you possibly try the card in Windows?

[22:44:13]

phrag:

sec

[22:44:22]

Dibblah:

Could be faulty hardware.

[22:44:24]

phrag:

i've not owned a copy of windows in 8 years =P

[22:44:52]

agile:

hey, anyone have tips on recording from a handycam? I set up an old tv card in a front end and hooked up the camera to the card's composite inputs, set the card up in mythtv-setup..

[22:45:04]

phrag:

on a possible realted matter, it does not pick up my IR controller on the card either

[22:45:08]

phrag:

possible faulty card?

[22:45:11]

agile:

wondering if there's a way to schedule a manual recording and hit play on the camera or something

[22:45:27]

Dibblah:

I think the IR on the -t 500 is odd.

[22:45:33]

Dibblah:

I seem to recall.

[22:45:42]

Dibblah:

As in unsupported.

[22:46:00]

phrag:

http://pastebin.com/d5c5ff36

[22:47:16]

phrag:

the cable i'm using cost Â£1 so perhaps it's that

[22:47:44]

phrag:

strange it did work kind of though, and now nothing

[22:48:12]

Yahooadam:

the IR on the -t 500 is weird

[22:48:16]

Yahooadam:

but should work fine

[22:48:34]

phrag:

so it's either faulty card or cable

[22:50:13]

phrag:

really apprecaite this help, i'm from the slackware community and appreciate decent support =)

[22:50:30]

phrag:

as in, slackers give good support =)

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Daviey:

Iolaus: The mythbuntu trunk builds are unsupported, we /can't/ help fix your problem, but we will try and fix the packages for the next sync

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Yahooadam:

clear

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Yahooadam:

lol

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stuarta:

mmm, bugger, that bit of the fixup isn't working

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Dibblah:

phrag: Wait...

[22:59:44]

Dibblah:

It worked then it didn't?

[22:59:51]

Dibblah:

Does dmesg say anything?

[23:00:10]

Dibblah:

And does a reboot (with a cold-power-down) bring it back to life?

[23:00:23]

Yahooadam:

i cannot for the life of my get my TV in colour, anyone got some ideas?

[23:01:00]

siXy:

Yahooadam: TVOutFormat <whatever> #or something to that effect – read the documentation for your video drivers

[23:01:52]

Yahooadam:

got that already

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Yahooadam:

Option "TVOutFormat" "SVIDEO"

[23:02:24]

Yahooadam:

Option "TVStandard" "PAL-I"

[23:02:24]

Yahooadam:

Option "MetaModes" "640x480,NULL"

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siXy:

Yahooadam: well check /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or whatever it is on your distro) for error msgs

[23:02:42]

siXy:

are you really using SVIDEO?

[23:03:10]

Dibblah:

Yahooadam: Is it a nvidia card?

[23:03:42]

Yahooadam:

yes and yes

[23:03:52]

mzb:

try some of the other PAL variants to double check

[23:04:02]

mzb:

(sanity;)

[23:04:46]

Yahooadam:

yeah done that, tried pal-b

[23:04:56]

Yahooadam:

(EE) NVIDIA(0): Unable to initialize the X Int10 module; the console may not

[23:04:56]

Yahooadam:

(EE) NVIDIA(0): be restored correctly on your TV.

[23:05:06]

Yahooadam:

thats the only error, but it may be important ...

[23:05:40]

phrag:

Dibblah, can't see anything bad in dmesg, and cold power down does not alter it

[23:06:20]

Dibblah:

Yahooadam: Search for TVStandard in your Xorg.0.log

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Yahooadam:

NVIDIA TV Encoder (TV-0): 350.0 MHz maximum pixel clock

[23:08:10]

Yahooadam:

(--) NVIDIA(0): TV encoder: NVIDIA

[23:08:44]

Yahooadam:

and TV Standard string: "PAL-I"

[23:08:56]

Yahooadam:

there are no errors other then the ones above

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Yahooadam:

umm

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Yahooadam:

wtf

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Yahooadam:

its in color

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Yahooadam:

thats ... random

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Yahooadam:

well .. thanks anyway :s

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phrag:

Dibblah / Yahooadam, well thanks very much guys, appreciate the help

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