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| [00:15:54] | auto-jack: | I downloaded a video file from the web that appears to be encoded in mjpeg format. when I try to play it back, I see a few frames about downloading some other code, and then the video ends. yet the file is 351M in length. |
| [00:16:18] | auto-jack: | when I try to transcode the file from mjpeg to xvid, I only get 9 frames and then the transcoding stops without any errors. |
| [00:16:33] | auto-jack: | any thoughts on why I can't seem to play/transcode any more of the file? |
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| [00:35:51] | iamlindoro: | Hehe |
| [00:35:54] | iamlindoro: | my thoughts are: |
| [00:36:22] | iamlindoro: | you downloaded something from a torrent that is trying to trick you into "downloading their codec" which is a bil ol' pack o' viruses |
| [00:36:39] | auto-jack: | ahh. that would explain it :) |
| [00:36:56] | auto-jack: | strange though. seems as though all the torrents of this file are the same. |
| [00:37:15] | auto-jack: | I wonder if I am off by one on the episode numbers. |
| [00:37:27] | iamlindoro: | and, likely, illegal... so I'm not going to discuss it any further |
| [00:38:24] | auto-jack: | aha. that is exactly what it is. there is no episode 10 :) |
| [00:38:36] | ** iamlindoro covers his ears. ** | |
| [00:38:37] | auto-jack: | thanks! I should have checked that first. |
| [00:38:43] | auto-jack: | it's a PBS show ;) |
| [00:38:47] | auto-jack: | legal to share. |
| [00:38:49] | auto-jack: | public domain! |
| [00:38:59] | iamlindoro: | LALALALALALA |
| [00:39:06] | auto-jack: | hehe |
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| [00:39:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: heheheh rotfl! |
| [00:39:23] | iamlindoro: | What a LIAR |
| [00:39:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah... Episode 10 of a PBS show???? RIGHT!!!! |
| [00:39:58] | iamlindoro: | And I'm pretty sure PBS wouldn't agree with his loose interpretation of "Public" broadcasting |
| [00:43:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Ah... I get it — PBS for him = Pure BullSh** ;-) |
| [00:44:00] | iamlindoro: | I should have told him to download the codec from a windows box and given him some random stuff to do to "extract the codec for linux." |
| [00:44:20] | iamlindoro: | and laughed when his windows box starts sending him viagra spam |
| [00:44:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | yep... |
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| [01:18:03] | clever: | damn wifi lag |
| [01:18:22] | ** clever kicks nfs till it wakes up ** | |
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| [01:51:53] | dserban: | heh |
| [01:52:36] | dserban: | :) I'm running a 640x480 resolution for a standard 4:3 ratio on my TV, and I went to schedules direct to sign up, yet.. at 640x480 you can't see the sign up link :) |
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| [01:56:48] | DustyBin: | dserban: my Tv runs at 1024 x 768 res 4:3 15" |
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| [02:06:48] | BULLE_: | DustyBin: you got some fancy flatpanel tv with 1024x768 resolution ? |
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| [02:07:44] | Anduin: | For TV out many video cards will accept, and scale |
| [02:07:53] | DustyBin: | BULLE_: no just a old portable |
| [02:08:06] | clever: | my nvidia can scale |
| [02:08:48] | clever: | i think the ati can also |
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| [02:09:06] | clever: | but the ati is painfull to get into tvout |
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| [02:15:13] | Yutlin: | hey guys, my mythtv front-end is freezing at the end of each show. Any ideas what could be the cause or how I can troubleshoot it? |
| [02:16:02] | Yutlin: | I can still go back to the main menu and when I click Watch TV it works again |
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| [02:45:02] | levander: | Best place to buy a cheap IR receiver? |
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| [03:20:35] | levander: | Anybody using the USB UIRT? Looks like a good IR receiver. But, all the apps he's listed as supported are Windows. |
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| [04:10:50] | Egghead: | having problems with a knoppmyth install, on boot up it hangs at bttv: using 8 buffers..., problem goes away if i disable the onboard sound, an acl861vd chip, any ideas? |
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| [04:15:23] | Iolaus: | Can anyone help me out with volume/mute in MythTV? Neither are having an affect in my install. |
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| [04:23:45] | Dylan_: | anyone running latest svn able to stream music with mythweb? Is this broken? |
| [04:25:44] | Der_Thomas: | man I guess that there are not many people around tonight huh |
| [04:25:54] | Der_Thomas: | 3 questions and no answers |
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| [04:26:08] | Der_Thomas: | Sorry, I can't help |
| [04:26:26] | Der_Thomas: | I can add to the questions though: |
| [04:26:51] | Der_Thomas: | Anyone know a decent PCI video card that can do interlaced video out? |
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| [04:28:02] | Dylan_: | nope, sorry |
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| [04:28:24] | Der_Thomas: | rats |
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| [04:32:31] | billytwowilly: | Hi, anyone setup mythtv as a music interface in a car? can the scroll window for music be manipulated with a mouse? |
| [04:37:11] | clever: | allmost nothing in myth needs a mouse |
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| [04:39:00] | Tanthrix: | Der_Thomas: S-video/Composite, component, vga, or what? |
| [04:39:34] | Der_Thomas: | Tanthrix: any of the above |
| [04:40:11] | Tanthrix: | Der_Thomas: As far as I know any nvidia card can do interlaced for anything, as long as you have a working modeline. S-video/composite by its very nature is interlaced. |
| [04:40:50] | Der_Thomas: | Tanthrix: I have an EPIA-M 10K with an on board unichrome chipset that is connected with s-video |
| [04:41:10] | Tanthrix: | Der_Thomas: Why do you want to switch? |
| [04:41:18] | Der_Thomas: | this think sucks because it cannot do interlaced video out and is not powerful enough to deinterlace |
| [04:42:35] | Tanthrix: | Er, deinterlacing is generally something that is not handled by the video card, unless it's nvidia's magic anti-flicker thing. |
| [04:43:16] | Der_Thomas: | Sorry, I mean the mobo / processor is not powerful enough to deinterlace |
| [04:43:32] | Tanthrix: | Your video card is already outputting interlaced, if it is doing s-video. |
| [04:44:19] | Dylan_: | streaming works |
| [04:44:23] | Dylan_: | needed to disable selinux |
| [04:44:36] | Der_Thomas: | well from what I've read it doesn't. It has no way to sync the fields so it outputs them out of order |
| [04:45:21] | Tanthrix: | Der_Thomas: It's still interlaced then, just messed up interlacing ;) |
| [04:45:23] | Der_Thomas: | I have terriable interlacing distortion "mice teeth" as it is called |
| [04:45:26] | Tanthrix: | S-video cannot do progressive video. |
| [04:45:41] | Der_Thomas: | OK, right |
| [04:45:45] | Tanthrix: | Der_Thomas: Outputting to a SD CRT, or something higher? |
| [04:45:54] | Der_Thomas: | SD CRT |
| [04:46:08] | Der_Thomas: | no plans in the near future for anything better |
| [04:46:31] | Tanthrix: | In theory, it shouldn't be a problem since your TV is interlaced as well. But as you say, the timing doesn't end up right so it gets messed up. |
| [04:46:47] | Tanthrix: | For years my system worked great without any issues, then at one point I started getting mice teeth and had to deinterlace. |
| [04:47:45] | Tanthrix: | Anyway, I'm slightly doubtful that a new video card would fix your problems. You may have luck with nvidias anti-flicker thing, but you may not. On my SD frontend it doesn't work for some reason. |
| [04:48:15] | Tanthrix: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;name=NVIDIA <---Any one of the GF4 or later on that page with s-video out would let you try that out |
| [04:48:33] | Tanthrix: | Overall though, there's no substitute for a good system. |
| [04:48:39] | Der_Thomas: | Well if it can outout CORRECTLY interlaced video I think that it might |
| [04:48:50] | Der_Thomas: | I'm not sure what else to do at this point... |
| [04:49:07] | Tanthrix: | In theory. I honestly don't know how to ago about achieving the proper timing. |
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| [04:50:03] | Tanthrix: | On my SD frontend I get weird distortions of the interlaced video being displayed improperly, even though it's an interlaced CRT. And that's with an nvidia card. |
| [04:50:17] | Tanthrix: | It used to work fine though. No idea what I changed. I don't use it much though so I don't care. |
| [04:52:10] | Der_Thomas: | Yeah, I want to ditch my STB so to watch sports or even news with scroller at the bottom of the screen I have to fix this some how |
| [04:53:42] | Tanthrix: | Der_Thomas: Get a faster system if you can afford it. This kind of stuff will drive you crazy. It's really not worth the effort to try and make myth work on an older/slower system, unless your time is worthless. |
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| [04:53:56] | Tanthrix: | Though, if you're looking for a project to keep you busy, then that's not a bad thing I suppose. ;) |
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| [05:14:44] | Egghead: | having problems with a knoppmyth install, on boot up it hangs at bttv: using 8 buffers..., problem goes away if i disable the onboard sound, an acl861vd chip, any ideas? |
| [05:15:17] | Der_Thomas: | Egghead, I'd try the BTTV forum, they might be better help |
| [05:15:38] | Egghead: | cool thanks |
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| [05:17:30] | Egghead: | Der_Thomas, is it on this server? |
| [05:18:01] | Der_Thomas: | Egghead, don't know. I've never used BTTV, but I'm sure they have some info on their website |
| [05:18:42] | Egghead: | ahh ic |
| [05:18:44] | Egghead: | thanks |
| [05:18:52] | Der_Thomas: | no prob |
| [05:18:57] | Der_Thomas: | wish I could help more |
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| [05:20:42] | billytwowilly: | clever: that's the problem. If it can be manipulated with a mouse then it can be manipulated with a touchscreen, if it doesn't use a mouse then I'm screwed because I'll have to install a keypad. |
| [05:21:06] | clever: | ahhh |
| [05:21:16] | clever: | some buttons can be clicked |
| [05:21:32] | clever: | not shure exactly how many are actualy usable with clicking though |
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| [05:21:44] | clever: | i dont think the lists can be clicked thru |
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| [05:22:25] | billytwowilly: | yep, so that sucks then;) |
| [05:22:43] | billytwowilly: | because otherwise it's not too bad an interface.. and it could be skinned to be better I suppose. |
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| [05:26:03] | Iolaus: | Can anyone tell me if I'm supposed to be using "Use the PVR-350's TV out / MPEG decoder" with my WinTV-PVR-USB2 (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-PVR-USB2)? |
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| [05:34:43] | Iolaus: | Ack, after turning on the PVR-350 feature during initial testing and since having turned it off I can't get tv to play |
| [05:36:08] | Iolaus: | ACK! This sucks! |
| [05:36:08] | pat_: | do you have a pvr-350? |
| [05:36:22] | Iolaus: | I have a WinTV-PVR-USB2 |
| [05:36:39] | pat_: | well, you wouldn't want to use the pvr-350 tv out then |
| [05:37:10] | pat_: | it is a separate video out connection, which apparently provides good quality tv out |
| [05:37:19] | pat_: | or you could use tv out on a standard video card |
| [05:37:27] | Iolaus: | right, I disabled the option |
| [05:37:32] | Iolaus: | but now my live tv won't start |
| [05:38:29] | Iolaus: | console is saying: NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: ... |
| [05:39:18] | Iolaus: | I tried restarting my back-end but no luck :0 |
| [05:39:30] | Iolaus: | this is freaking me out a bit |
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| [06:43:40] | Tanthrix: | Iolaus: Do present recordings work? |
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| [07:03:52] | matt: | i've installed mythbuntu and am using a wintv go-plus capture card |
| [07:04:44] | matt: | i got everything up and running put audio quality on PCM is poor. it sounds just fine in line in but then it's not synced to video |
| [07:04:44] | bsdfox_: | that isn't a question |
| [07:04:54] | matt: | can someone help me out? |
| [07:05:04] | bsdfox_: | matt: try overclocking the bt878 audio |
| [07:05:07] | bsdfox_: | it's in the kernel |
| [07:05:17] | bsdfox_: | there is also advice in the mythtv wiki |
| [07:05:39] | matt: | might i get a link? |
| [07:06:41] | bsdfox_: | just go to the mythtv webpage and under hardware select wintv go |
| [07:06:44] | matt: | or a keyword to search for |
| [07:06:49] | matt: | k |
| [07:12:48] | twnqx: | hi, i have a (hopefully small) problem with importing channels into mythtv. i'm using a full featured dvb-s card on Hotbird 13E. dvbscan created a channels.conf with 2086 entries. ehwn i point mythtv-setup there, it won't find channels (last time, only 4). |
| [07:13:10] | twnqx: | i think i used the wrong "channel separator", but how to i find the right one? |
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| [07:16:17] | clever: | DAMNIT |
| [07:16:33] | clever: | seeking in the cutlist editor is totaly f*cked up |
| [07:21:44] | Tanthrix: | matt: Alternatively, drop the $60 on a PVR-150, and you won't ever have to deal with any A/V sync issues, and will probably get increased video quality |
| [07:22:11] | clever: | when i hit seek back in editing the cutlist |
| [07:22:11] | matt: | so i've heard but cant find one in stores for that cheap |
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| [07:22:15] | clever: | 90% of the time i seek forward |
| [07:22:19] | matt: | least i've seen was $100 |
| [07:22:21] | clever: | or seek back a fraction of what i wanted |
| [07:22:23] | Tanthrix: | matt: Where are you located? |
| [07:22:27] | matt: | NC USA |
| [07:22:50] | Tanthrix: | matt: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;x=0&y=0 |
| [07:23:22] | twnqx: | also, after a few seconds of scanning, mythtv crashes either my sat card or my driver :\ |
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| [07:25:47] | Tanthrix: | matt: Any one of those should work. Personally, I wouldn't waste my time on a framegrabber. Too many problems, and not as good quality. |
| [07:27:51] | clever: | im stuck with a frame grabber:( |
| [07:28:24] | Tanthrix: | Get a job! ;) |
| [07:28:31] | clever: | but im lazy:P |
| [07:28:39] | clever: | and if i have a job i wont have time to watch mythtv! |
| [07:29:04] | Tanthrix: | Pffff. You should be too busy working on your mythbox to watch TV anyway. |
| [07:29:11] | matt: | lol |
| [07:29:25] | clever: | i can recompile mythtv while watching it:P |
| [07:30:15] | matt: | cant connect to newegg =[ |
| [07:31:00] | Tanthrix: | matt: Why? |
| [07:31:04] | jpaxman: | Is it possible to setup the backend so that remote clients can access over the network, but also so the local frontend (same box as backend) works when the network fails to start? |
| [07:31:26] | matt: | dunno, broken route? |
| [07:31:49] | jpaxman: | to enable remote access, I need to use the network IP address 192.168.1.*, but for local access when the network is broken I need to use 127.0.0.1 |
| [07:31:51] | Tanthrix: | matt: Try http://216.52.208.187 |
| [07:31:56] | Tanthrix: | Could be a DNS issue. |
| [07:32:04] | matt: | nah, ping was able to look up ip |
| [07:32:10] | Tanthrix: | Weird. |
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| [07:33:32] | Tanthrix: | matt: http://www.google.com/products?q=pvr-150& . . . mp;scoring=p |
| [07:33:43] | Tanthrix: | If you can't reach google, then something is seriously wrong ;) |
| [07:34:11] | Tanthrix: | jpaxman: Maybe set a static IP on your system, that way you're not reliant on DHCP? That's what I did to resolve my mysql issues. |
| [07:34:32] | matt: | that worked |
| [07:34:35] | matt: | ;] |
| [07:35:12] | matt: | i was so hoping to get this up and running tonight ;[ |
| [07:35:55] | twnqx: | i'm trying for days, and i'm still not sure if it can actually do what i want to do :X |
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| [07:36:20] | matt: | lol, i was trying with my old ati tv wonder pro card befor i just went out and bought this one |
| [07:36:30] | matt: | i cant win! |
| [07:36:30] | Tanthrix: | jpaxman: I learned the hard way to set a static IP. My system rebooted and my dhcp server had died, so it didn't get the proper address. Ended up not being able to connect to the mysql db, so I switched it over to a static address. Problem solved. |
| [07:36:31] | matt: | ;\ |
| [07:36:43] | twnqx: | can it recode to a lower bandwidth codec between backend and frontend? like, for receiving 10mbit mpeg-2 and recoding to 1mbit avc? |
| [07:37:13] | jpaxman: | I have a static IP address, that's no problem. But if my wireless card, there is no interface to create the IP address on, so I am stuck with loopback.. |
| [07:37:34] | jpaxman: | (if my wireless card *dies*_ |
| [07:37:40] | twnqx: | jpaxman, you can always create a bridge and put an ip on that |
| [07:37:54] | Tanthrix: | Ohh, you're using wireless for your backend. That does complicate things. |
| [07:38:56] | clever: | my mysql server is on wifi but the interface is there even when it isnt linked |
| [07:38:56] | jpaxman: | Unfortunate side-effect of my house layout |
| [07:39:07] | clever: | and i manualy assign the ip |
| [07:39:17] | Tanthrix: | jpaxman: Real men run Cat-5e in those situations. ;) |
| [07:39:25] | jpaxman: | lol |
| [07:39:29] | clever: | my mysql server is a laptop:P |
| [07:39:37] | clever: | which moves from room to room |
| [07:39:56] | Tanthrix: | twnqx: What do you mean create a bridge? |
| [07:40:11] | jpaxman: | clever: can I create the interface manually even when the network card isn't there? |
| [07:40:24] | clever: | . |
| [07:40:33] | clever: | the card needs to be there for most things |
| [07:40:36] | twnqx: | create a virtual ethernet bridge (using brctl), put the address on br0, but wifi interface into the bridge |
| [07:40:41] | clever: | but the card doesnt have to be connected to a wireless network |
| [07:41:12] | twnqx: | will always be up, regardless of the status of the wifi |
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| [07:41:59] | jpaxman: | clever: ok, that's not a solution for me because I want it to work when the card fails to come up (it's a bit flaky) |
| [07:42:02] | Tanthrix: | jpaxman: I think twnqx's suggestion is the only way to go, from what it sounds like. |
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| [07:42:07] | clever: | ahhh |
| [07:42:19] | jpaxman: | Mainly I want it so my wife doesn't have to mess with the command line :) |
| [07:42:25] | clever: | jpaxman: my main problem is the link dies randomly and recovers 5–10 seconds later |
| [07:42:28] | clever: | like that |
| [07:42:36] | clever: | massive pain in the line editing over ssh |
| [07:42:39] | clever: | and video streaming |
| [07:42:42] | Tanthrix: | Wireless is worthless for anything but surfing. |
| [07:42:47] | twnqx: | i think that comes with wlan... haven't ever seen it otherwise |
| [07:42:53] | clever: | and mysql keeps having heart attacks over nfs |
| [07:43:03] | jpaxman: | yes, I will look into the bridge idea, thanks twnqx |
| [07:43:23] | clever: | something id like to posibly to |
| [07:43:28] | matt: | can someone please tell me the difference between the pvr-150 250 and 350? |
| [07:43:32] | clever: | merge the eth0 and wlan0 into a single interface |
| [07:43:40] | clever: | so spread the load over both automaticaly |
| [07:43:47] | clever: | depending on which is up |
| [07:44:02] | clever: | so i can seamlessly go from wifi to wired |
| [07:44:03] | Tanthrix: | matt: 250 is old, and has been replaced by the PVR-150/500. PVR-350 is also old, but it has a MPEG decoder on board and TV-out, so your CPU doesn't have to do the work |
| [07:44:29] | matt: | lol, so the 150 is the newer version? |
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| [07:44:44] | Tanthrix: | matt: It's considered to be relatively useless these days. The optimal setup is an nvidia card with a PVR-150/500 |
| [07:44:58] | Tanthrix: | (The 500 being two PVR-150s in one, allowing you to watch/record two channels at the same time) |
| [07:45:05] | matt: | also, will the pvr work with hd signal? |
| [07:45:14] | Tanthrix: | No. You need another card for that. |
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| [07:45:16] | matt: | or do you need an hvr? |
| [07:45:28] | clever: | pvr can probly record the sd quality outputs on your hd box |
| [07:45:33] | clever: | if you didnt care for quality |
| [07:45:37] | Tanthrix: | Not currently supported. I'd recommend a Avermedia A180/Kworld 115 for HD stuff. |
| [07:45:52] | Tanthrix: | Same chipset, two different brands. Either can do ATSC or QAM in linux |
| [07:46:02] | clever: | im piping the composite out from my digital cable box to a bttv frame grabber |
| [07:46:12] | clever: | and from the box debug info i think it handles qam internaly |
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| [07:46:33] | Tanthrix: | clever: He wasn't asking if he could get the watered down quality reduced low res interlaced crap from his cable box ;) |
| [07:46:47] | clever: | lol |
| [07:46:48] | ** Tanthrix throws a brick at Comcast ** | |
| [07:46:49] | matt: | are the pvr usb sticks garbage? |
| [07:47:03] | Tanthrix: | That I don't know. I'd be weary of them though. |
| [07:47:11] | matt: | those seem to be everywhere |
| [07:47:22] | matt: | i had a hard time finding the pci card i did get |
| [07:47:39] | Tanthrix: | Basically, for analog stuff, you want to avoid anything that doesn't have a hardware encoder |
| [07:47:44] | matt: | most places had the hvr1600 or the usb |
| [07:47:58] | clever: | Tanthrix: like what i got:P |
| [07:48:05] | ** clever stabs the frame grabber ** | |
| [07:48:16] | matt: | clever care to ssh to my box and set this pos up? ;x |
| [07:48:16] | Tanthrix: | Really though, there's no ambiguity about your options. Get a PVR-150 or 500. Nothing else will top the support or quality for analog. |
| [07:48:20] | clever: | . |
| [07:48:34] | clever: | matt: na its getting late here |
| [07:48:35] | clever: | 3am |
| [07:48:47] | matt: | sleep is for the week an employed |
| [07:48:54] | matt: | *weak |
| [07:48:58] | clever: | i woke up at about 7pm today |
| [07:49:09] | matt: | then it's still early |
| [07:49:14] | clever: | yeah:P |
| [07:49:20] | matt: | ;P |
| [07:49:22] | Tanthrix: | Ahh, the joys of being young and frittering away the day... |
| [07:49:27] | clever: | and x11 forwarding is horidly slow over dsl |
| [07:49:30] | clever: | !age |
| [07:49:31] | clever: | I am 20.742156 years old. (I'll be 21 in 13wks 3days 22hrs 12mins 31secs.) |
| [07:49:35] | clever: | dont feel young:P |
| [07:49:47] | clever: | and i blew a knee back in jan:P |
| [07:50:04] | matt: | better than an old man |
| [07:50:06] | matt: | ;] |
| [07:50:15] | clever: | went down the stairs |
| [07:50:16] | Tanthrix: | You really need to get a damn job then. I thought you mentioned that you were younger than that a while back. |
| [07:50:19] | clever: | looked out a window |
| [07:50:28] | clever: | took a sharp 180 turn to go back up the stairs |
| [07:50:30] | clever: | crunch |
| [07:50:48] | clever: | couldnt walk right for a month |
| [07:50:53] | Tanthrix: | That sucks. |
| [07:50:56] | matt: | perhaps i can have a friend go buy the card at circut city |
| [07:50:58] | matt: | then return it |
| [07:51:04] | matt: | so i can go in and buy it at a discount |
| [07:51:10] | matt: | cause it's a return |
| [07:51:11] | matt: | ;x |
| [07:51:13] | Tanthrix: | matt: Why not just order it online? |
| [07:51:14] | clever: | lol |
| [07:51:23] | matt: | instant gratification? |
| [07:51:26] | Tanthrix: | Probably cheaper than CC, even with some dubious discount. |
| [07:51:32] | Tanthrix: | True, there is that. |
| [07:52:01] | clever: | i tryed to buy a ir receiver online once |
| [07:52:06] | clever: | it still hasnt arrived.... |
| [07:52:28] | twnqx: | why oh why is mythtv unable to tune my dvb-s |
| [07:52:47] | clever: | ship it here and i'll give it a test:P |
| [07:53:01] | twnqx: | heh |
| [07:53:03] | matt: | why can tvtime play live tv just but not mythtv? |
| [07:53:08] | matt: | *just fine |
| [07:53:19] | twnqx: | why can't mplayer get the video right? |
| [07:53:39] | matt: | audio is my problem |
| [07:53:41] | matt: | ;[ |
| [07:53:43] | Tanthrix: | matt: TV-time gives you a live feed. Myth is recording/encoding everything that you see, then playing back that encoding. Big difference. |
| [07:54:01] | matt: | ah |
| [07:54:05] | matt: | sry, i'm a nub |
| [07:54:25] | twnqx: | mplayer for me fails to play the right frame rate... you can even see it's too slow, and after some time it complains it has too many frames in the buffer :P |
| [07:54:46] | Tanthrix: | matt: No worries. We all start somewhere. Anyway, Myth does that to provide PVR functionality, which is the whole purpose of myth. There is no way to get a straight stream from a framegrabber like yours. |
| [07:55:07] | Tanthrix: | twnqx: Your system too slow to play it back perhaps? |
| [07:55:08] | matt: | i hate my life! |
| [07:55:10] | matt: | lol |
| [07:55:21] | twnqx: | my poor little q6600 too slow? nooooo |
| [07:55:27] | Tanthrix: | matt: Just get a PVR-150, and all your problems will go away. |
| [07:55:45] | twnqx: | come on, it plays HD files flawless |
| [07:55:51] | Tanthrix: | twnqx: You need dual quad core to do dvb-s, sorry. |
| [07:55:59] | twnqx: | oh... that explains |
| [07:56:02] | Tanthrix: | hehe |
| [07:56:04] | twnqx: | will get one, then |
| [07:56:19] | matt: | get me one too while you're out |
| [07:56:20] | matt: | =] |
| [07:56:41] | Tanthrix: | twnqx: Can you capture the stream, then try and play it back? |
| [07:57:07] | twnqx: | as i can't get myth to create my channel list, not yet :) |
| [07:57:15] | Tanthrix: | With mplayer, I mean. |
| [07:57:25] | Tanthrix: | If it's not working in mplayer, it's probably not going to work in Myth. |
| [07:58:48] | twnqx: | FPS not specified in the header or invalid, use the -fps option. <- might be mplayers problem |
| [07:59:10] | Tanthrix: | Sounds like something is terribly wrong to me. |
| [08:00:15] | twnqx: | now that i run mythtv... mplayer can't get anything |
| [08:00:18] | twnqx: | ran* |
| [08:02:28] | matt: | with the pvr-150 is the sound pulled from the card or do you still have to patch it into the soundcard? |
| [08:02:30] | Tanthrix: | Forget myth for now. Just try to get it working in mplayer. If you don't get perfect video there, it's ulikely to work in myth. |
| [08:02:44] | twnqx: | brb, trying a hardware-reinit.... |
| [08:02:46] | Tanthrix: | matt: The hardware encoder does all the work. |
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| [08:03:10] | Tanthrix: | matt: It encodes video/sound onboard, so it's impossible to get sync issues, and you don't have to deal with sound card cables and all that crap. |
| [08:03:32] | matt: | right on, that is def the way to go then i if i want to do multi recordings at a later point |
| [08:03:51] | Tanthrix: | Just remember, a PVR-150 can only do one channel at a time. A pvr-500 can do two. |
| [08:04:11] | matt: | yes, but 2 pvr-150's can do 2 channels right? |
| [08:04:16] | Tanthrix: | Yes. |
| [08:04:52] | matt: | perhaps that's what i'll ask everyone for for xmas |
| [08:04:57] | matt: | ;x |
| [08:05:03] | matt: | get like 4 of them |
| [08:05:16] | matt: | and a new psu |
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| [08:06:04] | twnqx: | hm......after reboot it works again |
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| [08:29:27] | chronographer: | hi all. i use the weekly build of mythtv on ubuntu gutsy and I get Xorg using 55% cpu, consistently and mythtv using ~15–30% when watching live tv. Is there a way to trace this cpu usage, I have an oldish AMD 2800+ running at 2 GHZ. Thanks |
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| [08:29:59] | chronographer: | the 55% xorg is definitely related to mythtv, as when I exit live tv it goes backto stable ~5% |
| [08:30:10] | justinh: | oobe: good for you :P |
| [08:30:30] | justinh: | chronographer: you using G.A.N.T ? |
| [08:30:39] | chronographer: | i d knowont |
| [08:30:44] | chronographer: | er.. dont know |
| [08:31:09] | justinh: | the greyish theme reminiscent of cave paintings |
| [08:31:15] | chronographer: | yeah! |
| [08:31:29] | chronographer: | its nice, should it affect tv viewing? |
| [08:31:53] | justinh: | the pulsing mythtv logo has been known to cause high CPU consumption |
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| [08:32:10] | oobe: | justinh, ;) |
| [08:32:15] | chronographer: | while watching tv, I havent noticed a logo at all... |
| [08:32:30] | chronographer: | I will change themes, and report back |
| [08:32:33] | justinh: | if the high cpu usage is only when you're watching TV I'd suspect the vga driver |
| [08:32:43] | chronographer: | when mythtv is in a lobby, it uses bugger all |
| [08:32:55] | justinh: | not having Xv support (hello ATI!) would do it |
| [08:33:06] | chronographer: | I use a nvidia geforce |
| [08:33:18] | twnqx: | with binary drivers? |
| [08:33:23] | justinh: | and the nvidia driver or nv? |
| [08:33:28] | chronographer: | and its tv out to watch tv, dual head. yeah, proprietary |
| [08:33:40] | chronographer: | nvidia drivers |
| [08:34:22] | chronographer: | it was fine, i think, untill i updated to weekly builds... |
| [08:34:24] | twnqx: | xdpyinfo | grep XV <-- shows XVideo? |
| [08:34:51] | chronographer: | and motion compression |
| [08:34:51] | justinh: | if I had a mac mini for every time someone said "it was fine til I upgraded stuff".. ;) |
| [08:35:00] | chronographer: | heh |
| [08:35:23] | chronographer: | er.... why a mac mini though? 24" imac? |
| [08:35:47] | chronographer: | XVideo-MotionCompensation oops compewnsation sorry |
| [08:35:51] | justinh: | 24" isn't in any way a big enough screen |
| [08:36:20] | twnqx: | but good for a pc display |
| [08:36:25] | chronographer: | ???? for a desktop its too big, i say. my evil stepmom got one, its ridiculous! |
| [08:36:42] | ** twnqx has two ** | |
| [08:36:54] | chronographer: | what for? |
| [08:37:02] | twnqx: | programming, mainly |
| [08:37:04] | chronographer: | lazy $7000? |
| [08:37:12] | twnqx: | 1200€ |
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| [08:37:19] | justinh: | I want a mac mini for my livingroom :) |
| [08:37:20] | chronographer: | oh screen, not imac! |
| [08:37:23] | twnqx: | nah |
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| [08:37:28] | twnqx: | no imacs |
| [08:37:36] | chronographer: | 2 imacs! |
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| [08:37:42] | chronographer: | 24"! |
| [08:38:39] | chronographer: | anywho... excessive cpu when watching tv anyone? |
| [08:39:06] | justinh: | chronographer: anyway what kind of 'watching TV' ? SD? HD? CPU speed? etc? |
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| [08:39:14] | twnqx: | i'll make three crosses the day i can make mythtv display video at all |
| [08:39:59] | justinh: | it's not difficult |
| [08:40:09] | chronographer: | ? buy another imac and install mythbuntu on it |
| [08:40:13] | twnqx: | it is, if mythtv crashes your dvb-s card |
| [08:40:26] | chronographer: | I have mine working fine (apart from excessivce cpu usage when watching tv) |
| [08:40:30] | justinh: | mythtv can't 'crash' a card |
| [08:40:46] | chronographer: | you need new firmware maybe |
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| [08:40:53] | twnqx: | well, then the driver, whatever |
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| [08:41:23] | chronographer: | maybe you should be using a appleTV |
| [08:41:29] | chronographer: | mr money bags |
| [08:41:32] | justinh: | maybe if it's a card with a virtual device hiding in front of it ... |
| [08:41:32] | chronographer: | =) |
| [08:41:46] | twnqx: | during channel scan, that is. breaks sometime in between, after that not even mplayer can access it |
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| [08:42:11] | justinh: | twnqx: well, unreported problems.. they go unfixed generally :) |
| [08:42:21] | twnqx: | it's a pretty old dvb_ttpci driven card |
| [08:42:28] | twnqx: | and i'm only trying for a few days ;) |
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| [08:45:03] | chronographer: | looks like its a problem with my tv out on my nvidia card, cause live tv on my lcd runs normally... |
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| [08:45:39] | justinh: | hmmm maybe Xv is only supported on one head |
| [08:46:35] | justinh: | I see crap like that on my windows machine. one head makes video tear during playback but the other is fine no matter what. kind of defeats the point of having dual head |
| [08:47:03] | siXy: | justinh: when i tried i was unable to get Xv to function properly on the second head |
| [08:47:09] | siXy: | but that could be just me ;) |
| [08:48:11] | chronographer: | secpond head is a svideo out |
| [08:48:19] | justinh: | I think it's GPU related – i.e. not all of them can do it |
| [08:48:59] | justinh: | like "bah who's going to want to be able to treat both heads the same & expect both to perform as well as one another" |
| [08:49:18] | chronographer: | hmm... |
| [08:49:22] | justinh: | chronographer: well, welcome to the sucky world of mythtv on multi-head systems |
| [08:49:35] | twnqx: | haven't had that problem until now (gf6800, gf8800) |
| [08:49:36] | Dibblah: | twnqx: As general advice, I'd avoid TTPCI. |
| [08:49:50] | Dibblah: | It's not that they *completely* suck. |
| [08:50:01] | twnqx: | Dibblah, really? i thought with that age it would be one of the best supported ones... |
| [08:50:07] | Dibblah: | But they pass the stream through a rather underpowered arm7. |
| [08:50:33] | justinh: | oh is that one of them stupid FF cards? |
| [08:50:35] | Dibblah: | Skystar2 / budget_* all work fairly well. |
| [08:50:38] | Dibblah: | Yup. |
| [08:50:43] | justinh: | smack! |
| [08:50:47] | siXy: | I even trid with multiple pci nvidia chips, runing independant x screens (shared x server) and Xv still did not want to know |
| [08:51:18] | twnqx: | :| so i should go for the budget modification? |
| [08:51:24] | chronographer: | gee. that sucks. I'm sure this was working ok before I upgraded to the weekly build... how silly. |
| [08:51:37] | chronographer: | Oh well, just wont watch tv and do cpu intensive things. |
| [08:52:47] | justinh: | chronographer: in future unless you absolutely have to upgrade to fix a bug you know has been fixed in the code, or to get a feature you absolutely can't live without – just leave stuff alone ;) |
| [08:52:58] | oobe: | chronographer, i upgraded to weekly build the other day and everything works good some things have been fixed |
| [08:53:44] | justinh: | anf FWIW it's really not hard to build mythtv yourself and be in control of your own destiny to a much larger degree |
| [08:53:50] | oobe: | unless you are using the svn weekly build then it is sure to not work |
| [08:54:14] | chronographer: | yeah, i like being up to date, thats how I hosed my last debian install, read something about apt-pinning, ended up with a sid/etch/lenny bastard which didn;'t work real good! |
| [08:54:29] | oobe: | lol |
| [08:54:34] | chronographer: | I use svn, the gutsy deb repository |
| [08:54:38] | justinh: | oobe: nothing wrong with trunk the vast majority of the time |
| [08:54:52] | chronographer: | (trunk? not svn) |
| [08:54:57] | twnqx: | chronographer, go gentoo :P |
| [08:55:04] | hexxeh: | especially on the rare occasions there's some of my code in it! |
| [08:55:06] | chronographer: | nope, Ubuntu is the one for me |
| [08:55:18] | hexxeh: | gentoo makes me giggle |
| [08:55:24] | hexxeh: | on a professional level, you understand |
| [08:55:36] | chronographer: | or debian for rock solid satbility |
| [08:55:43] | chronographer: | *stability |
| [08:56:09] | chronographer: | (ubless you apt-pin to lenny/sid) |
| [08:56:12] | justinh: | personally I hate the idea of weekly builds. users going in unaware of possible problems (because they've not kept up to speed with the -dev & -commits mailing lists) is just an accident waiting to happen IMHO |
| [08:56:48] | hexxeh: | justinh, they're entirely unsupported, and not the default |
| [08:56:51] | chronographer: | you're probably right justin. but it seems important to be up to date right? |
| [08:56:53] | twnqx: | dunno, last time i used debian my self-written programs would not work because they required nptl – which had not been supported yet |
| [08:57:09] | justinh: | I remember the furore about livetv being disabled while it was being rejigged.. loads of people whined about it when more than fair warning had been given |
| [08:57:19] | hexxeh: | chronographer, you want the risk of your tv system breaking every week? |
| [08:57:24] | chronographer: | yeah, debian is ancient because its so stable, 4 years between stable releases ( give or take ) |
| [08:57:27] | hexxeh: | twnqx, so about six years ago? |
| [08:57:35] | twnqx: | that was two years ago |
| [08:57:41] | chronographer: | argh.. well i CANT GO BACK NOW! |
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| [08:57:56] | hexxeh: | twnqx, no, it wasn't. unless you specifically hunted down a woody install cd. |
| [08:58:06] | twnqx: | maybe, can't remember... |
| [08:58:15] | hexxeh: | and stuck with the default 2.2 kernel on it |
| [08:58:18] | justinh: | there's not really much in trunk I see myself as needing. some nice tricks but nothing I can't live without |
| [08:58:35] | twnqx: | no, was 2.6 already. nptl doesn't really work before 2.6.9 |
| [08:58:40] | Dibblah: | Miniplayer! :) |
| [08:58:45] | hexxeh: | twnqx, tell that to redhat |
| [08:58:52] | justinh: | Dibblah: can totally live without that :) |
| [08:59:14] | ** twnqx uses gentoo testing privately and won't change. and i don't develop for older libraries than that :) ** | |
| [08:59:53] | chronographer: | you use testing? what you want your puter to break every week? |
| [08:59:56] | chronographer: | =) |
| [09:00:04] | twnqx: | didn't break in years |
| [09:00:07] | hexxeh: | gentoo's funny. and with that, to work! |
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| [09:00:18] | justinh: | horses for courses with distros. I used to use gentoo but got burned not keeping it up to date regularly. now I use ubuntu. I'm not a huge fan of it but it doesn't suck that much |
| [09:00:28] | twnqx: | gentoo IS funny :P if you have the time to make it do what you want to |
| [09:00:42] | hexxeh: | funny in a "cat playing the piano" way |
| [09:00:51] | twnqx: | at times, sadly |
| [09:00:59] | chronographer: | lol |
| [09:01:02] | chronographer: | thats funny! |
| [09:01:27] | chronographer: | gentoo is the one with the multi coloured startup right? |
| [09:01:29] | justinh: | would definitely recommend gentoo to a noob. they have good howtos & it's a great way to learn how linux works |
| [09:01:34] | hexxeh: | meow *plink plink plink* |
| [09:01:50] | twnqx: | redhat has colors like that,t oo |
| [09:01:52] | hexxeh: | chronographer, gentoo's the one that expects you to compile everything, because you bought your high-end cpu to run gcc on it |
| [09:01:57] | chronographer: | i reckon a debian install to a flashing white cursor is a good way to learn linux |
| [09:02:04] | justinh: | just plopping a CD in the drive & one hour later having a 'working' linux setup isn't teaching anybody anything |
| [09:02:11] | chronographer: | hex... that is funny |
| [09:02:19] | hexxeh: | chronographer, and it's the one where you moan about installing fully featured apps because you have to compile days' worth of dependencies |
| [09:02:28] | chronographer: | LOL |
| [09:02:32] | siXy: | justinh: very true. #ubuntu is absolute proof of that |
| [09:02:41] | hexxeh: | justinh, neither is blindly following a guide without any understanding of what it means |
| [09:02:51] | hexxeh: | siXy, #gentoo isn't better |
| [09:02:56] | chronographer: | well... debian tought me that if you want a deskop, you need xfce, or xfce-desktop or gnome etc.. |
| [09:03:05] | justinh: | hexxeh: true, but it probably helps if you have a brain in the first place :P |
| [09:03:24] | justinh: | if you don't have a brain, don't even use Windows ffs |
| [09:03:29] | chronographer: | then if you want that to start for you you need xdm, or gdm ... oh and apt-get install and apt-cache search are THE best things ever invented |
| [09:03:47] | justinh: | though what I used to like about Windows was all the free software for it :P |
| [09:03:59] | justinh: | like all Windows users :D |
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| [09:04:16] | chronographer: | ???? not free as in beer ....... free as in TPB |
| [09:04:21] | justinh: | freesoftware4u.ru |
| [09:04:32] | twnqx: | chronographer, gentoo will tell you all that as well, but without usable preconfiguration :P |
| [09:04:36] | justinh: | free as in "didn't pay for it" |
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| [09:05:02] | chronographer: | heh, like photoshop is great, what it costs $$$?? |
| [09:05:11] | justinh: | sorry I'm not much of an advocate of the GPL |
| [09:05:13] | chronographer: | gimp works EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME!!!! |
| [09:05:28] | justinh: | chronographer: no it doesn't. |
| [09:05:30] | Dibblah: | chronographer: No, it doesn't. |
| [09:05:33] | siXy: | chronographer: um that leads me to believe you have used neither |
| [09:05:44] | chronographer: | you get a pi9cture, and change it ... |
| [09:05:52] | siXy: | uh-huh... |
| [09:06:01] | justinh: | oh yeah if you just want to adjust the contrast of a photo.. |
| [09:06:02] | siXy: | mspaint does that |
| [09:06:06] | justinh: | GIMP's ok for that |
| [09:06:20] | justinh: | if you want to make a theme, I wouldn't wish using GIMP on anybody |
| [09:06:48] | Dibblah: | GIMP is good for many things. Photoshop takes _less time_ to do most of those things for most users. |
| [09:06:55] | chronographer: | these themes are made on photoshop? |
| [09:06:58] | justinh: | and fwiw, photoshop's preview renders suck |
| [09:07:06] | justinh: | chronographer: mine aren't |
| [09:07:29] | chronographer: | surely it is jsut a learning thing, if you used gimp first, you would be slower on photoshop. |
| [09:07:31] | ** purserj would have thought something like inkscape would have been better, but I'm not a grapho ** | |
| [09:07:48] | justinh: | inkscape sucks at a lot of aspects |
| [09:07:55] | chronographer: | inkscape is all vectors though, its different |
| [09:08:03] | siXy: | what doesnt suck, that runs on linux? |
| [09:08:13] | Dibblah: | Myth! :) |
| [09:08:17] | siXy: | i tried xara but wasn't overwhelmed |
| [09:08:18] | ** justinh agrees ** | |
| [09:08:36] | justinh: | Myth is about the only linux app I know that doesn't suck donkeys |
| [09:08:37] | chronographer: | does myth run on anything else? |
| [09:08:41] | siXy: | heh :) myth-photoshop must be in a hidden svn branch :) |
| [09:08:41] | justinh: | nope |
| [09:09:06] | justinh: | the lies about mythfrontend being made to work on windows have got to stop |
| [09:09:08] | siXy: | chronographer: its possible to get it to run on a mac, irrc |
| [09:09:21] | chronographer: | OOo is good, gimps is good, firefox, pidgin, have you seen disk usage analyser ? its coold too |
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| [09:09:54] | chronographer: | =) |
| [09:10:06] | Dibblah: | Yes, but apart from the roads, plumbing, ... what has Linux ever done for us? |
| [09:10:11] | justinh: | chronographer: bottom line is this: if you want to make images from scratch, that don't look like a 5-year old scribbled them, GIMP is not the app to use |
| [09:10:17] | purserj: | Dibblah: the wine? |
| [09:10:28] | purserj: | education? crime? |
| [09:10:48] | chronographer: | ? thats not true. I make lovely pictures in gimp. |
| [09:10:56] | justinh: | :-\ |
| [09:11:52] | justinh: | anyway I think the comparison with photoshop is pretty fair. I mean both programs UIs are completely useless |
| [09:12:17] | Dibblah: | Take a new user in Gimp. Take a new user in Photoshop. Get them to do a complexish task. See which finishes first. |
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| [09:12:36] | Dibblah: | Photoshop doesn't argue with usability studies – They fix the issues. |
| [09:12:44] | Dibblah: | Mostly ;) |
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| [09:13:04] | purserj: | Dibblah: did that. Used to work in a TV Station, the Editors were after a Image Manipulation package like Photoshop, so gave em GIMP |
| [09:13:12] | purserj: | they loved it |
| [09:13:13] | justinh: | this new photoshop user spent about 2 hours trying to work out why the bloody scaling looked so crap |
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| [09:13:43] | ** purserj actually prefers imagemagick for resizing images and that sort of stuff ** | |
| [09:13:44] | justinh: | ugh! my new icon has jaggies & the curved edges look lumpy! |
| [09:13:46] | chronographer: | at least you can change the UI in gimp, try gimpSHOP |
| [09:14:04] | justinh: | I'll stick to PSP. you can laugh if you want |
| [09:14:10] | Dibblah: | chronographer: You're illustrating my point. |
| [09:14:25] | Dibblah: | There isn't a photogimp plugin. |
| [09:14:36] | justinh: | does everything I need it to do – the only pity is it can't export to SVG. now that'd be nice |
| [09:15:33] | chronographer: | whats with windoze apps on a linux software chat? you are all supposed to be linux folks |
| [09:15:39] | justinh: | as for inkscape – if they make the gaussian blur & translucency stop hogging my system I'll reconsider my position |
| [09:16:16] | justinh: | chronographer: because I've seen mythtv themes made with OSS graphics app. all but one suck badgers |
| [09:16:42] | Dibblah: | Descriptive. |
| [09:17:00] | justinh: | some of the mytharchive DVD intros were made with non-oss software too |
| [09:17:20] | justinh: | and I suspect the cheesy background muzak was as well |
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| [09:17:32] | chronographer: | damn I may as well move to mediaportal |
| [09:17:39] | justinh: | when the tools are up to the job I'll use em |
| [09:17:47] | purserj: | chronographer: umm why? |
| [09:17:56] | purserj: | myth itself is and always will be gpl |
| [09:17:58] | justinh: | why? because something isn't entirely made of stone? |
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| [09:18:15] | purserj: | would it matter if someone used notepad to edit some code? |
| [09:18:35] | justinh: | purserj: yeah because trac doesn't like DOS formatted files apparently :P |
| [09:18:48] | purserj: | justinh: :P |
| [09:19:12] | justinh: | seriously though you can take OSS zealotry too far |
| [09:19:29] | chronographer: | at least until there is a mythportal |
| [09:19:41] | justinh: | there will never be |
| [09:19:51] | justinh: | they have a mortal fear/hatred of all things linux |
| [09:19:57] | Dibblah: | Someone wrote a MythTivo plugin a while ago. |
| [09:20:08] | purserj: | Tivo is a linux based system though |
| [09:20:26] | justinh: | realised that when I saw the fury about somebody asking to use skin graphics from MP in a mythtv theme. Children |
| [09:20:32] | ** Dibblah senses a non-Tivo user. ** | |
| [09:20:42] | chronographer: | jk. I personally am over pirating software, and in my field (i am still studying) I want to use OSS, but the main software is ArcGIS etc. which does everything, relativelly easily, whereas GRASS is really difficult to learn. I love the idea of open source, but I must agreem with the photoshot dide (but not in that particular point) that there is a time and a place |
| [09:20:57] | Dibblah: | We're Tivo – We're Linux Friendly! * |
| [09:21:10] | justinh: | * but not GPL friendly |
| [09:22:05] | Dibblah: | * – You have to run our signed kernel, otherwise the box breaks. You can't do anything to the main application, because it's monolithic. Et al. |
| [09:22:33] | chronographer: | i gtg, thanks for the help, my xorg still uses all my cpu when I watch tv, but I am now informed. goodnight |
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| [09:23:20] | ** Dibblah started a minor craze in the Tivo world by improving it's TV out somewhat for PAL people. ** | |
| [09:23:36] | Dibblah: | Or at least helped out with the minor craze :) |
| [09:23:57] | Dibblah: | It's amazing what you can do with a datasheet and a disassembler. |
| [09:24:18] | justinh: | if tivo were to get back in on the UK scene with a freeview recorder you could call me interested |
| [09:24:31] | twnqx: | Dibblah, do that for my pci express atheros wifi card, will you? |
| [09:24:44] | Dibblah: | twnqx: No datasheets. |
| [09:24:54] | twnqx: | but a disassembler :P |
| [09:24:55] | Dibblah: | And most WiFi cards don't have TV out. |
| [09:25:11] | twnqx: | nah, just stop the hard crashes (of the card only) |
| [09:25:25] | Dibblah: | NDISWrapper? |
| [09:25:26] | justinh: | no datasheets is a recipe for being in the dark with your eyes closed |
| [09:25:53] | twnqx: | well... i think the bug is a combination of the linux kernel and the driver |
| [09:26:15] | Dibblah: | http://pendor.org/temp/24h_boiler.png |
| [09:26:24] | Dibblah: | Ah, bugger. Wrong window... Again. |
| [09:26:45] | Dibblah: | My boiler is now doing officially wierd things :( |
| [09:27:51] | justinh: | tell her to stop? :P |
| [09:28:25] | twnqx: | hmmm boiler |
| [09:28:32] | twnqx: | souds like "take a shower & go fetch a pizza" |
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| [09:31:02] | Dibblah: | twnqx: Nah. It's my eternal search for harder ways to do things. http://pendor.org/temp/heating-change.html |
| [09:32:21] | justinh: | bloody hell. why? |
| [09:32:35] | Dibblah: | ... Underfloor heating system. |
| [09:32:40] | oobe: | Dibblah, you should cut off your limbs |
| [09:32:58] | Dibblah: | Doesn't work well with a normal controller. |
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| [09:33:12] | Dibblah: | And the "real" controllers cost >£500. |
| [09:33:16] | javatexan: | Howdy all! |
| [09:33:22] | twnqx: | Dibblah, looks like you are doing the things i'm only thinking of doing.... |
| [09:33:35] | justinh: | of course the logical extension to starting some basic HA is to tie the heating into it |
| [09:33:41] | Dibblah: | So, one openwrt router and lots of 1-wire funky stuff :) |
| [09:33:56] | Dibblah: | Indeed. |
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| [09:34:22] | Dibblah: | 15 sensors (so far, need more) and 8 control channels for the valves / pumps. |
| [09:34:27] | oobe: | look at all the nick names i cant have |
| [09:34:30] | oobe: | linus :Erroneous Nickname |
| [09:34:30] | oobe: | * linux :Erroneous Nickname |
| [09:34:30] | oobe: | * penis :Erroneous Nickname |
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| [09:34:54] | twnqx: | and with underfloor you probably have the central control point... i wouldn't want all the wires for all valves in all the rooms |
| [09:34:54] | knoppix: | yay im knoppix |
| [09:34:56] | justinh: | ooo look at all the nicknames I can't see anymore.. oobe, knoppix |
| [09:35:12] | knoppix is now known as oobe | |
| [09:35:12] | javatexan: | I have a bunch of mpeg2 and mpeg4 media from a tivo that I would like to have mythtv as the repository and use mythtv apps to back up to DVD, etc....Can I do this....Is this a good idea? I have ubuntu desktop 7.10 |
| [09:35:20] | directhex|bsp: | Dibblah, feel like soldering a serial connector onto my router, to facilitate openwrt installation? |
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| [09:35:43] | javatexan: | and home movies...sorry....mostly home movies and a couple of things i got off tivo |
| [09:35:50] | Dibblah: | Sure. £20 for the job, £20 for the postage ;) |
| [09:36:12] | purserj: | javatexan: speaking off the top of my head, if they are pure mpeg2 and 4 then mythvideo and mytharchive should have no issues |
| [09:36:35] | ** oobe sets mode +m ** | |
| [09:36:42] | Dibblah: | javatexan: However, if you're not using the TV bits of Myth, you're missing out ;) |
| [09:37:32] | javatexan: | LOL....I know....I have digital cable....tivo lets me record two digital cable programs at once....or I would be Myth all the WAY!!!!! |
| [09:38:33] | justinh: | not using mythtv for TV stuff is a lot like owning a racing car & never taking it around a track |
| [09:38:34] | javatexan: | I learned yesterday that Tivo is a linux based system...so hopefully myth/cablecard interaction is not far behind!!! |
| [09:38:42] | justinh: | ROFLMAO |
| [09:38:49] | javatexan: | ROFL |
| [09:39:09] | justinh: | you forgot something. tivo isn't an open system |
| [09:40:16] | Dibblah: | There's nothing in the Tivo kernel that does Cablecard interaction. That's all in their main app. |
| [09:40:16] | ** directhex|bsp downloads a compiler ** | |
| [09:40:20] | justinh: | God bless the naive optimists :) |
| [09:40:32] | Dibblah: | ... Therefore not open-sourced. |
| [09:40:43] | Dibblah: | Even if it WAS open, it wouldn't help you. |
| [09:40:45] | directhex|bsp: | how much of tivo IS open sourced? |
| [09:40:52] | Dibblah: | The kernel. |
| [09:40:54] | directhex|bsp: | practically speaking |
| [09:40:57] | purserj: | the kernel I believe |
| [09:41:11] | javatexan: | I know...I learned lots of stuff about tivo...Tivo doesnt actually control the cable cards at all like a normal PCMCIA? device...The cable card updates itself and Tivo uses a lowest common denominator set of commands to control the card....Sounds pretty doable....THat way tivo doesnt have to make code for each cable card/cable company |
| [09:41:27] | Dibblah: | javatexan: It's not doable at all. |
| [09:41:43] | directhex|bsp: | javatexan, cablercard relies on a trust chain. anything untrusted cannot work |
| [09:41:57] | directhex|bsp: | javatexan, and only things that the manufacturers pay a lot of money to certify are trusted |
| [09:42:19] | directhex|bsp: | much like HDCP |
| [09:42:37] | javatexan: | true...the cable co marries the cable card to the host id....which happens to be a MAC address |
| [09:42:56] | directhex|bsp: | it's WAY beyond just MAC bonding |
| [09:42:57] | javatexan: | not sure about the trusted part |
| [09:43:18] | directhex|bsp: | that happens with some DVB CAMs. you can spoof it if you want to. the trust chain is something else altogether |
| [09:44:15] | directhex|bsp: | maybe you're just confusing cablecard & CAM? they do the same thing really, except one is (broadly speaking) an easily implemented standard. one myth already supports, natch |
| [09:44:53] | Dibblah: | The trust is also two way. |
| [09:45:05] | Dibblah: | ie you can't marry a fake cablecard. |
| [09:45:18] | javatexan: | ill take your word for it....not sure....I am talking about the cable co coming to my house and installing two single stream cable cards...I watched the whole process....and snooped the rest... :) |
| [09:45:29] | directhex|bsp: | sorry, i assumed people had a working knowledge of HDCP as a starting point |
| [09:45:43] | javatexan: | anyway, for now I would like to download tivo -> mythtv -> DVD -> TV |
| [09:45:46] | ** Gumby is just learning about DVB-S with mythtv ** | |
| [09:45:48] | Gumby: | :) |
| [09:46:01] | directhex|bsp: | Gumby, if you get anywhere, document it. info is sorely lacking |
| [09:46:08] | justinh: | if you're not going to be recording tv with mythtv, don't use it IMHO |
| [09:46:11] | javatexan: | i know enough to be really dangerous ... ;) |
| [09:46:13] | Gumby: | directhex|bsp: I think there is a reason for that. lol |
| [09:46:13] | justinh: | seriously |
| [09:46:27] | javatexan: | what is IMHO? Sorry |
| [09:46:31] | justinh: | without using the TV part of myth, you're just making too much work for yourself |
| [09:46:47] | javatexan: | okay.... |
| [09:46:48] | directhex|bsp: | mythtv is for tv. there are other more lightweight products for browsing files, e.g. freevo |
| [09:46:50] | Dibblah: | javatexan: There's no easy way to do Tivo -> Myth. |
| [09:47:00] | directhex|bsp: | or xbmc, i hear |
| [09:47:11] | javatexan: | I can dump tivo to mpeg2 or mpeg4 |
| [09:47:11] | justinh: | xbmc has a tivo plugin IIRC |
| [09:47:37] | Dibblah: | javatexan: Try it. It's a world of pain. |
| [09:48:04] | javatexan: | I have scripts that already do that....I need a pretty nice repos with DVD authoring,editing....I guess |
| [09:48:40] | javatexan: | anyone know any good ones for ubuntu? Authoring DVD, editing, media repos? |
| [09:48:50] | justinh: | nope |
| [09:49:57] | Dibblah: | javatexan: The other question you probably want to ask is _why_? |
| [09:50:10] | Dibblah: | Why have the Tivo in the first place? |
| [09:51:04] | directhex|bsp: | Dibblah, for decrypting his cable. is this where you propose motofirewire? |
| [09:51:23] | javatexan: | why.....b/c myth cant do dual stream digital cable...thats the only reason at this point....and my wife doesn't like the idea of taping a ir to the front of her cable box...LMAO |
| [09:52:04] | Dibblah: | All depends on what you watch / what is encrypted on your cable. |
| [09:52:38] | Dibblah: | And just hide the cable box ;) |
| [09:52:59] | javatexan: | okay....new question....can you run multiple cable boxes and have myth connected to the only tv....inother words.....hide the two cable boxes and use myth to control everything???? |
| [09:53:15] | directhex|bsp: | javatexan, yes |
| [09:53:24] | javatexan: | can you explain....? |
| [09:53:33] | javatexan: | connection wise |
| [09:54:02] | directhex|bsp: | javatexan, depends on how you connect it. typically, you'd use a hauppauge pvr500, and a pair of IR blasters |
| [09:54:20] | directhex|bsp: | or, if you can get it from your cable co, a pair of firewire cables, and a 2-port firewire card |
| [09:55:03] | directhex|bsp: | myth has no real limit to the number of tuners you can have in a single network |
| [09:55:06] | Dibblah: | If you're able to go the firewire route, you don't generally need the IR blasters, as I understand it. |
| [09:55:30] | directhex|bsp: | Dibblah, indeed. but not all cablecos give access to all channels via FW |
| [09:55:37] | directhex|bsp: | Dibblah, for some god-unknown reason |
| [09:55:43] | Dibblah: | Most don't would be more accurate. |
| [09:55:49] | directhex|bsp: | feh |
| [09:55:50] | javatexan: | okay...I am looking at my el cheapo cable box....it has dual internal tuner...and dual firewire..can I make use of both tuners in the box? |
| [09:55:54] | ** directhex|bsp sticks with DVB ** | |
| [09:55:56] | Dibblah: | Because they don't _have_ to. |
| [09:56:09] | Dibblah: | javatexan: Try it ;) |
| [09:56:13] | directhex|bsp: | javatexan, good question. what IS the box? |
| [09:56:38] | directhex|bsp: | javatexan, there's a script in contrib called something like firewire_tester.pl – it might give you joy |
| [09:56:43] | javatexan: | scientific atlantic Explorer 4250HDC |
| [09:57:31] | directhex|bsp: | yeah, i believe those are able to work in some capacity |
| [09:57:40] | directhex|bsp: | assuming the firewire ports are enabled by your cableco |
| [09:58:50] | javatexan: | not sure....our cable company is very back woodsy....it has taken them 4 full days and 15–20 cable cards and they still don't have the tivo working....LMAO :( |
| [09:59:35] | directhex|bsp: | actually, looks like there's a lack of working channel-change script |
| [09:59:40] | directhex|bsp: | as of october |
| [09:59:59] | javatexan: | so last I heard they were checking 50 cards out of the warehouse and trying to find 2 that would work.... LMAO |
| [10:00:08] | directhex|bsp: | the 4200hd is supported, the hd4250hdc isn't yet |
| [10:00:20] | directhex|bsp: | hm. too much hd in that |
| [10:00:36] | javatexan: | directhex: where are you finding this |
| [10:01:48] | directhex|bsp: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3727 |
| [10:03:23] | twnqx: | ok guys, before i spend more time with mythtv, just to find out that in the end in can't do what i intend.... |
| [10:03:39] | justinh: | no it won't do the dishes |
| [10:04:04] | directhex|bsp: | or cure cancer |
| [10:04:11] | directhex|bsp: | but it WILL turn straw into gold |
| [10:04:18] | twnqx: | what i want is to have a dvb-c receiver at home, receiving mpeg-2 (obviously), recode that on the fly to avc+aac, and send it to a client in a different country over 6000km of internet |
| [10:04:37] | justinh: | no mythtv won't do that |
| [10:04:46] | twnqx: | can it do that, or is recoding between backend and frontent not possible? |
| [10:04:54] | twnqx: | :\ too bad |
| [10:04:58] | justinh: | bye bye |
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| [10:05:18] | ** directhex|bsp questions whether the above scenario is even legal ** | |
| [10:06:07] | clever: | just got one of my frontend harddrives working fully in a smp laptop |
| [10:06:11] | clever: | double the flaging power! |
| [10:06:16] | clever: | and a higher freq eahc |
| [10:06:26] | clever: | the system went from 1ghz to dual 1.8ghz |
| [10:06:37] | javatexan: | I sure wish that would work directhex....that would be sweet to utilize both tuners on the HDC via mythtv.....dreams of better days...;) |
| [10:06:39] | clever: | but it will have to go back later |
| [10:06:44] | javatexan: | and cheap |
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| [10:07:04] | twnqx: | would any of you know a software that can actually do it? |
| [10:07:11] | clever: | main problem is the wireless |
| [10:07:16] | clever: | WHOA |
| [10:07:24] | javatexan: | it also has a USB port |
| [10:07:27] | clever: | the flaging finished damn fast! |
| [10:07:27] | directhex|bsp: | clever, only *2* cores? bleh |
| [10:07:36] | clever: | directhex|bsp: new system |
| [10:07:44] | clever: | directhex|bsp: the only multi core system:P |
| [10:07:49] | clever: | everything else is single core |
| [10:07:56] | directhex|bsp: | jms@orac:~> grep -c ^processor /proc/cpuinfo |
| [10:07:56] | directhex|bsp: | 152 |
| [10:08:00] | justinh: | commercial flaggellation ? |
| [10:08:04] | clever: | this system is blazing fast at nearly everything |
| [10:08:12] | clever: | directhex|bsp: that feels like cheating to me:P |
| [10:08:15] | clever: | directhex|bsp: how did you do it?:P |
| [10:08:24] | ** directhex|bsp has moar cores than j00! ** | |
| [10:08:26] | clever: | justinh: yep |
| [10:08:40] | clever: | directhex|bsp: you nearly got more cores then every pc i have put together:P |
| [10:08:46] | clever: | but how? |
| [10:08:49] | directhex|bsp: | clever, with 76 dual core chips. how else? |
| [10:08:54] | clever: | lol |
| [10:09:02] | clever: | how can you fit that many in 1 box?:P |
| [10:09:09] | directhex|bsp: | clever, with a spoon |
| [10:09:13] | clever: | lol |
| [10:09:15] | directhex|bsp: | jms@orac:~> grep ^processor /proc/cpuinfo | tail -1 |
| [10:09:15] | directhex|bsp: | processor : 151 |
| [10:09:19] | justinh: | clever: it's a big box |
| [10:09:24] | clever: | lol |
| [10:09:36] | clever: | feels more like a cluster system to me |
| [10:09:45] | justinh: | erm.. 76 * 2 is not 151 |
| [10:09:52] | directhex|bsp: | nope, clusters don't have a single /proc/cpuinfo |
| [10:09:58] | twnqx: | but counting starts at 0, justinh |
| [10:10:02] | justinh: | duh |
| [10:10:08] | clever: | directhex|bsp: non standard motherboard? |
| [10:10:22] | directhex|bsp: | clever, 77 of them |
| [10:10:28] | twnqx: | standard cray motherboard :P |
| [10:10:28] | clever: | 77 motherboards? |
| [10:10:36] | directhex|bsp: | clever, plus the backplane, sure |
| [10:10:44] | clever: | ah |
| [10:11:06] | directhex|bsp: | http://osc.ox.ac.uk/var/img/altix4700.jpg |
| [10:11:10] | clever: | one of the older catscans dad worked on had multiple massive cards for certain tasks |
| [10:11:13] | javatexan: | okay....how many haupague cards with that |
| [10:11:20] | clever: | and software had to be loaded into each 1 by 1 |
| [10:11:33] | clever: | unix based on the main cpu |
| [10:12:10] | javatexan: | directhex|bsp: all to record TV? LMAO |
| [10:12:11] | directhex|bsp: | jms@orac:~> uname -a |
| [10:12:11] | directhex|bsp: | Linux orac 2.6.16.53–0.16-default #1 SMP Tue Oct 2 16:57:49 UTC 2007 ia64 ia64 ia64 GNU/Linux |
| [10:12:47] | twnqx: | urgh. i see itaniums. |
| [10:13:19] | directhex|bsp: | twnqx, there's nothing wrong with itaniums |
| [10:13:43] | clever: | doesnt look like something you could do on a cheap budget:P |
| [10:14:02] | javatexan: | yeah...i think even tivo is cheaper than that.... ;P |
| [10:14:15] | clever: | lol |
| [10:14:23] | clever: | this new laptop was free though:P |
| [10:15:17] | directhex|bsp: | gnome is almost smooth with 600 gig of ram |
| [10:15:23] | clever: | lol |
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| [10:16:05] | javatexan: | lol...i bet |
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| [10:18:00] | Solv: | quick question...I have tried mythbuntu and linuxmce...both don't work on my system (long story), I have one dvd left to burn on, what would you choose between knoppmyth and mythdora? |
| [10:18:41] | clever: | i find plain ubuntu with mythtv works for me but may be some work if you dont know linux well |
| [10:18:49] | directhex|bsp: | Solv, neither are more likely to work than mythbuntu |
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| [10:19:09] | directhex|bsp: | Solv, you'll have to explain the long story |
| [10:19:09] | javatexan: | mythtv-dev: I hate mailing lists...so hard to find anything useful...lol |
| [10:19:32] | clever: | javatexan: i got signed up on the mailing list and now i cant shut it off! |
| [10:19:52] | javatexan: | lol....thats what I am afraid of... LOL |
| [10:20:16] | justinh: | what? linuxmce no worky? <guffaw> |
| [10:20:22] | clever: | i could just spam block it:P |
| [10:20:35] | Solv: | directhex|bsp, mythbackend wouldn't start with mythbuntu's init script had to do it manually...the tvout didn't seem to display properly...couldn't get my lirc_serial working (which i did have on gentoo) and finally my favourite theme retro would just load up blank after about 3 restarts |
| [10:20:42] | javatexan: | the thread about the HDC STB got moved to the mail list so no one could find it again.....LOL! |
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| [10:20:54] | justinh: | Solv: missing msttcorefonts |
| [10:20:59] | javatexan: | problem solved.... LOL |
| [10:20:59] | justinh: | stupid themes using Arial. GRRR |
| [10:21:04] | Solv: | justinh, ahh |
| [10:21:17] | directhex|bsp: | Solv, the backend wouldn't start? what was happening? |
| [10:21:18] | adante: | hi |
| [10:21:25] | adante: | anybody know how i can stop myth from commercial flagging? |
| [10:21:27] | clever: | brb again |
| [10:21:39] | Solv: | well actually it was more than that...it was as if my overscan wasn't actually overscanning (which it was..but the theme appeared sqaushed...like when running in a window |
| [10:21:44] | clever: | wtf |
| [10:21:51] | clever: | mythtv-setup is seg faulting |
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| [10:22:29] | Solv: | directhex|bsp, it would put out that it had started...but mythbackend didn't exist...until i typed in mythbackend myself....which is confirmed when i tried to restart the init script...it would say it wasn't running |
| [10:22:38] | adante: | i disabled the option in the settings menu and the autocommflag setting in mythconverg.settings is 0, but it is still commflagging |
| [10:22:53] | directhex|bsp: | Solv, which FS were you using for /var ? |
| [10:23:09] | Solv: | would've been ext3 i assume that's what mythbuntu uses |
| [10:23:36] | Solv: | i installed it twice...once with my own partition settings...second time used the whole disk and let it do it's thing |
| [10:24:22] | javatexan: | man, I would love to try mythtv....but.....not sure if it will work in this situation...... |
| [10:24:33] | Solv: | oh and as for linuxmce...it's useless...it stopped during the kernel init trying to detect my mdadm.conf...as if I had raid....stupid thing |
| [10:24:46] | javatexan: | if i knew I could utilize both tuners on the HDC...I would be there |
| [10:24:48] | directhex|bsp: | Solv, somethig is very strange with your setup. hundreds of people use mythtv on ubuntu without issue |
| [10:25:07] | Solv: | and then tried to boot into recovery and it said that /dev/hda didn't exist and stopped! but it just installed on /dev/hda...LOL |
| [10:25:30] | Solv: | it could be my mobo...it is a foxconn 661fx...cheap and nasty |
| [10:25:39] | javatexan: | I wonder if they ever got it working...that thread you sent me moved the discussion to the myth_dev mailing list...I am downloading and going to search to see |
| [10:25:51] | clever: | damn |
| [10:26:03] | clever: | this new system is just riping thru the commflags and transcodes like nothing |
| [10:26:11] | Solv: | well i think i might try knoppmyth...it seems lightweight and quick to install... |
| [10:26:56] | Solv: | directhex|bsp, the other thing that annoyed me about ubuntu is nvidia-settings won't let me use my nvidia-glx-legacy driver...removes it and install the newer one...cept i had nvidia settings working just fine with legacy in gentoo |
| [10:27:04] | clever: | now i only need to fix the wifi |
| [10:27:12] | clever: | internal wifi gets no signal |
| [10:27:13] | Solv: | directhex|bsp, and nvtv just segfaulted.... |
| [10:27:14] | clever: | pcmcia card panics |
| [10:27:32] | directhex|bsp: | Solv, nvidia-settings doesn't decide which driver to install |
| [10:27:37] | Solv: | directhex|bsp, so it wasn't exactly the smoothest of experiences I've had with a distro! |
| [10:28:03] | Solv: | directhex|bsp, apt-get install nvidia-settings....it removes nvidia-glx-legacy and reinstall nvidia-glx...trust me |
| [10:28:14] | directhex|bsp: | Recommends: nvidia-glx-legacy |
| [10:28:14] | directhex|bsp: | Conflicts: nvidia-glx-new, nvidia-glx |
| [10:28:20] | directhex|bsp: | no, i'd say the reverse |
| [10:28:49] | Solv: | well I just tried it last night... |
| [10:29:12] | Solv: | I'm not stupid...plus the fact that afterwards X wouldn't start makes me think I'm right |
| [10:29:29] | Solv: | checked cat /proc/drivers/nvidia/agp/status....it was disabled |
| [10:29:34] | directhex|bsp: | except your scenario is impossible |
| [10:29:45] | Solv: | explain how |
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| [10:30:21] | directhex|bsp: | the package Conflicts: nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new. it will not be on the system at the same time |
| [10:30:28] | directhex|bsp: | largely because it's built into those packages |
| [10:31:34] | Solv: | directhex|bsp, well what are you suggesting...that it just removed nvidia-glx-legacy without adding the nvidia-glx-new? |
| [10:32:07] | Solv: | directhex|bsp, that is possible...i didn't double check if it had added the new package...i'm 90 percent sure it did though..... |
| [10:32:34] | directhex|bsp: | Solv, the package Recommends: nvidia-glx-legacy. if the package was removed despite the Recommends, then something else triggered it. |
| [10:32:42] | Solv: | whatever the case it defintely WOULD NOT let me have both the legacy driver and nvidia-settings at the same time...that is the reality |
| [10:33:03] | clever: | the 'vesa' driver for Xorg i beleive will work on nearly any card |
| [10:33:07] | Solv: | directhex|bsp, and I think that what triggered it was the nvidia-glx-new.... |
| [10:33:09] | clever: | but is extremely limited |
| [10:33:21] | Solv: | clever, that's not the point...i know it will |
| [10:33:30] | clever: | im just saying as a backup |
| [10:33:36] | clever: | to get gui working while you fix the others |
| [10:33:43] | Solv: | i configure xorg manually anyway....but i was just pointing out another thing that was borked with mythbuntu |
| [10:33:51] | Solv: | clever, yeah..true |
| [10:33:59] | clever: | when in a rush |
| [10:34:13] | clever: | also my thin client drive doesnt have the ati or nvidia drivers or any package system |
| [10:34:15] | Solv: | clever, didn't mean to snap at you... |
| [10:34:21] | Solv: | clever, if it sounded like that |
| [10:34:21] | clever: | and it uses the vesa allmost mainly |
| [10:34:24] | clever: | on the new system with nvidia |
| [10:34:51] | clever: | but damn is this fast! |
| [10:35:02] | clever: | riping thru the transcode jobs like nothing |
| [10:35:13] | clever: | while playing a 3d java game that the 2.9ghz has trouble with |
| [10:35:19] | Solv: | clever, are you running a server and a thin client setup? |
| [10:35:27] | clever: | 3 drives 1 system |
| [10:35:36] | clever: | dual 1.8ghz |
| [10:35:51] | clever: | main drive is sata xp pro for dad to do his work on(reason the pc was free) |
| [10:36:10] | clever: | i grabed a unused thin client hdd from a 50mhz laptop to try linux on the pc and got it going |
| [10:36:23] | clever: | but it lacked qt3 so it would have been imposible nearly to get myth going |
| [10:36:27] | Solv: | clever, oh i see...i thought you were actuall running a thin client |
| [10:36:37] | clever: | so i took the drive from one of my fe/flaging laptops |
| [10:36:39] | Solv: | like linuxmce setup |
| [10:36:44] | clever: | and stuffed it into the new laptop |
| [10:37:04] | javatexan: | ok....crazy question....sorry...if you use the Firewire method...do you still need the video capture card? |
| [10:37:07] | clever: | the HDA sound is still messed up but the smp is burning thru the jobs like nothing |
| [10:37:24] | clever: | (all my fe's also flag/transcode) |
| [10:37:34] | Solv: | directhex|bsp, so the new nvidia-glx packages have nvidia-settings program built in? |
| [10:37:35] | clever: | that spreads the load out |
| [10:37:38] | javatexan: | clever: what is a FE? |
| [10:37:41] | clever: | frontend |
| [10:37:47] | javatexan: | ah...thanks |
| [10:37:50] | directhex|bsp: | Solv, yes. |
| [10:38:00] | clever: | im running mythbackend and mythfrontend on all my systems |
| [10:38:04] | clever: | even though only 1 records |
| [10:38:11] | Dibblah: | javatexan: Firewire _is_ the capture card. |
| [10:38:12] | directhex|bsp: | jms@osc-franzibald:~$ apt-file search bin/nvidia-settings | uniq |
| [10:38:13] | directhex|bsp: | nvidia-glx: usr/bin/nvidia-settings |
| [10:38:13] | directhex|bsp: | nvidia-glx-new: usr/bin/nvidia-settings |
| [10:38:13] | directhex|bsp: | nvidia-settings: usr/bin/nvidia-settings |
| [10:38:13] | clever: | and the 1 that records actualy runs 0 jobs |
| [10:38:30] | clever: | directhex|bsp: you normaly need to sort before uniq |
| [10:38:37] | javatexan: | so firewire changes channels and captures mpeg2? |
| [10:38:40] | Solv: | directhex|bsp, well I can't explain it then...all I know is what happened...anyway...knoppmyth has just finished burning...i'll give that a go..and see how i get on |
| [10:38:41] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [10:38:56] | directhex|bsp: | clever, why? it's already sorted |
| [10:38:59] | javatexan: | k...how can I find if my STB is supported now? |
| [10:39:06] | javatexan: | for firewire |
| [10:39:07] | clever: | directhex|bsp: yeah but some tings may not be presorted |
| [10:39:19] | directhex|bsp: | javatexan, data works, channel change doesn't, on that STB |
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| [10:39:25] | directhex|bsp: | clever, some might. i knew this was |
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| [10:39:29] | Dibblah: | javatexan: Plug it in and try. Or call your cableco. |
| [10:39:35] | Dibblah: | Who won't know anything. |
| [10:39:35] | clever: | k |
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| [10:40:04] | clever: | . |
| [10:40:35] | javatexan: | thats what I saw too, directhex|bsp....I found the conversation on the mailing list...I can't tell if it ever got resolved |
| [10:40:46] | javatexan: | in JULY |
| [10:41:06] | javatexan: | what do I ask the cable co.... |
| [10:41:29] | directhex|bsp: | javatexan, there's no code change mentioning it since then |
| [10:41:30] | clever: | i checked with my co and the box with fw costs extra:( |
| [10:41:41] | directhex|bsp: | javatexan, in the end, developers + kit = code |
| [10:41:47] | directhex|bsp: | javatexan, developers without kit... |
| [10:42:53] | javatexan: | is there a list of current HDC that work via firewire for channel changing, etc |
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| [10:44:50] | directhex|bsp: | javatexan, the 4200HD, and 3250HD, are currently supported for FW channel changing |
| [10:45:29] | javatexan: | directhex|bsp: thank you...I will ask if I can get those with FW turned on, later today.... |
| [10:46:13] | directhex|bsp: | javatexan, or a selection of motorola boxes |
| [10:46:33] | javatexan: | my cable co...only uses SA |
| [10:46:50] | javatexan: | or that is all I've seen |
| [10:47:37] | javatexan: | so on the FW, if there are two ports, can you always record two shows at a time...or does it depend? |
| [10:48:33] | directhex|bsp: | no idea! i don't do firewire gubbins |
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| [10:48:59] | javatexan: | sorry for so many question....trying to learn enough to know whether or not to send back this tivo and reinstall my ubuntu box for mythtv...LOL |
| [10:50:11] | javatexan: | can you install mythtv ontop of ubuntu desktop...crap....dont have tv out to test to see if it works......darn....can I watch on the monitor instead? |
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| [10:50:40] | javatexan: | i am wondering if I can test....tonight to see if it works with this STB |
| [10:51:23] | clever: | all my mythtv boxes are mythtv ontop of plain ubuntu |
| [10:51:33] | clever: | and 3 of them playback thru a crt/lcd |
| [10:51:50] | javatexan: | k...what do I install first... |
| [10:52:04] | javatexan: | via synaptic? |
| [10:52:16] | clever: | ubuntu has mythtv packages you could use or you can get a more recent version of mythtv |
| [10:53:01] | directhex|bsp: | there's not much point using something newer, it won't add support for FW changing on his box |
| [10:53:24] | clever: | but he would get other features which he may like |
| [10:53:30] | clever: | aslong as he added a ir blaster |
| [10:54:44] | javatexan: | i could check to see if I can get it to record via firewire...I guess |
| [11:01:40] | clever: | my weakest frontend needs about 50% power to play tv |
| [11:01:42] | clever: | the new box needs 4% ! |
| [11:02:15] | directhex|bsp: | you sound surprised |
| [11:02:34] | clever: | im comparing a 400mhz to a dual core 1.8ghz :P |
| [11:02:49] | clever: | but its just that its bearly even registering on the cpu graph |
| [11:03:11] | clever: | not used to things being so damn fast |
| [11:03:24] | clever: | only problem atm now is the wireless |
| [11:03:34] | clever: | link quality 0/100 |
| [11:04:33] | clever: | 0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01) |
| [11:05:10] | javatexan: | damn...cant find my firewire cord...LOL!!!! |
| [11:05:14] | clever: | lol |
| [11:05:41] | clever: | ive got 3 firewire interfaces now(2 onboard and a unused pci card) and nothing to use them all on:P |
| [11:05:47] | clever: | and no cords |
| [11:05:59] | javatexan: | so ubuntu has a meta package for the fe...do i need to also install the meta for backend? |
| [11:06:03] | clever: | cant even make a firewire lan atm |
| [11:06:03] | javatexan: | LOL |
| [11:06:17] | clever: | yeah i think the front and backend are seperate packages in ubuntu |
| [11:06:49] | javatexan: | looks like it...one talks about a master be...I guess I'll just install it |
| [11:06:59] | clever: | sudo apt-get install mythtv-backend-master mythtv-database ubuntu-mythtv-frontend |
| [11:07:12] | clever: | that will probly give you a stand alone mythtv system(master be/fe/database) |
| [11:07:50] | clever: | whoa |
| [11:07:53] | clever: | mythtvfs:O |
| [11:08:01] | ** clever installs to see what it can do ** | |
| [11:08:05] | javatexan: | what is mythtvvgs |
| [11:08:16] | clever: | mythtvfs seems to make a fake filesystem |
| [11:08:17] | javatexan: | what is mythtvvfs |
| [11:08:23] | clever: | and fetches the files from the master backend |
| [11:08:27] | javatexan: | OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| [11:08:34] | clever: | so normal video playback progs can open tv recordings |
| [11:08:41] | javatexan: | thats sounds like a hack |
| [11:08:53] | javatexan: | ;) |
| [11:09:01] | clever: | it appears to be a fuse filesystem(userspace filesystem driver) which just proxys everything to mythtv |
| [11:09:21] | javatexan: | okay..what is a good/cheap tv out card? |
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| [11:09:44] | clever: | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3) |
| [11:09:52] | clever: | not shure about cheap but that one works fine in linux |
| [11:09:53] | javatexan: | the video card on the machine now is a 19.99 |
| [11:10:03] | clever: | and has tvout |
| [11:10:12] | directhex|bsp: | any nvidia newer than geforce4 is fine |
| [11:10:22] | clever: | :O |
| [11:10:28] | clever: | this laptop doesnt have tvout |
| [11:10:29] | directhex|bsp: | older cards have terrible tv-out image quality |
| [11:10:31] | clever: | nearly all the others do |
| [11:10:40] | clever: | its SD tv |
| [11:10:43] | clever: | its horid to begin with! |
| [11:10:59] | clever: | i set my recordings to youtube level quality and i dont even notice it on my tvout:P |
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| [11:12:03] | directhex|bsp: | no really, it makes a huge difference |
| [11:12:24] | clever: | this card used to be horid(lots of 60hz noise) when i used it on xp |
| [11:12:30] | clever: | but that may have just been the wiring |
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| [11:12:38] | javatexan: | how about a XFX GeForce 7200 GS Video Card |
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| [11:12:46] | javatexan: | too old? |
| [11:12:51] | clever: | the digital box is also HOT to the touch if the coax isnt connected |
| [11:13:01] | clever: | which caused the GND of the pc and stuff to also become hot |
| [11:13:23] | directhex|bsp: | javatexan, that's fine |
| [11:13:29] | clever: | leaving a 60hz freq between the video and gnd |
| [11:13:46] | javatexan: | really? its 29.99... LOL |
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| [11:15:17] | javatexan: | how far will TV out transmit? |
| [11:15:41] | quicksilver: | depends on the connector and the cable |
| [11:16:01] | clever: | i have composite video going acrosss the room thru multiple sections of wire |
| [11:16:14] | javatexan: | okay...how about coax |
| [11:16:17] | clever: | and spliting halfway and returning and then going thru a hole in the floor to a tv in the basement |
| [11:16:25] | javatexan: | lol |
| [11:16:33] | javatexan: | do you have pictures |
| [11:16:39] | clever: | if i connect the vcr in the basement the upstairs looses brightness |
| [11:16:49] | clever: | but other then that it works fine |
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| [11:17:01] | javatexan: | LOL |
| [11:17:06] | clever: | and a usb extension to the basement gives me a keyboard to control mythtv from below |
| [11:17:38] | javatexan: | i just need a single run, coax, from server closet to vcr in other room |
| [11:18:06] | javatexan: | I would say about 20 yards or so of cabling...single run |
| [11:18:38] | clever: | none of my tvout's can output channel 3 on coax |
| [11:18:54] | clever: | but you could allways run svid/composite to a vcr in the closet |
| [11:19:00] | clever: | then run coax from the vcr out |
| [11:19:18] | clever: | theres also boxes you can buy now that simple convert composite/svid to coax |
| [11:19:29] | javatexan: | true...i would need to run a ir remote to the closet too...I guess |
| [11:20:17] | clever: | you could extend the ir receiver |
| [11:20:26] | clever: | the one im thinking of getting is usb |
| [11:20:33] | clever: | and ive extended usb insane distanced:P |
| [11:20:45] | clever: | extension leaves the pc and thru the floor |
| [11:21:07] | clever: | then easily over 10feet stretched across the celing to another room on the total other side of the hosue |
| [11:21:14] | clever: | with a webcam at the end in a window |
| [11:21:46] | clever: | passing by 3–4 other computers which mostly lack usb |
| [11:22:27] | javatexan: | what channel does tv out go to |
| [11:22:38] | clever: | normaly 3 or 4 |
| [11:22:51] | clever: | composite/svideo lack channels(only 1 video stream) |
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| [11:44:05] | Jiten: | clever: sounds like it might be worth it to buy extra frontend for the basement and transmit the image/audio through network. |
| [11:44:37] | clever: | i allready put the media pc in there to do that |
| [11:44:44] | clever: | then i fixed the old dell laptop |
| [11:45:25] | javatexan: | man how do you read the geforce numbers now...I cant tell what is new and old? LOL |
| [11:45:54] | directhex|bsp: | javatexan, first number = generation |
| [11:45:58] | Jiten: | 4,5,6,7,8 ... the first number pretty much works. |
| [11:46:12] | Jiten: | but you can't compare performance with that. |
| [11:46:12] | directhex|bsp: | javatexan, the rest, higher number = better 3d |
| [11:46:32] | javatexan: | ah...too bad tvs are still 2d...LOL |
| [11:46:55] | Jiten: | though, I guess that 8500GT I got for my parents doesn't completely match my 7600GS in raw power. |
| [11:47:14] | directhex|bsp: | Jiten, and this 8400gs is wank |
| [11:48:01] | clever: | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1) |
| [11:48:04] | Jiten: | wank? why? |
| [11:48:06] | clever: | thats what my newest system has |
| [11:48:17] | clever: | havent tested it in any major gaming things yet |
| [11:48:40] | Jiten: | would be interesting to know how those Quadros differ :) |
| [11:49:58] | clever: | glxgears away |
| [11:50:01] | clever: | 19353 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3870.475 FPS |
| [11:50:04] | javatexan: | so second number has more to do with power? |
| [11:50:12] | clever: | 29218 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5843.578 FPS |
| [11:50:22] | clever: | avg of 4k mostly |
| [11:50:33] | clever: | but it didnt fullscreen right |
| [11:51:00] | clever: | direct rendering: Yes |
| [11:51:26] | ** clever throws compiz back on ** | |
| [11:52:28] | clever: | weee |
| [11:53:08] | clever: | lol |
| [11:53:11] | javatexan: | man...they are all SVideo out.... |
| [11:53:14] | clever: | the edge of the window got caught |
| [11:53:22] | clever: | so it started to stretch |
| [11:53:26] | clever: | like i was riping it appart |
| [11:54:50] | mzb_d800: | use a frontend to transmit through the network? ... err ... don't you mean a backend ? :)) |
| [11:55:05] | clever: | probly what he meant |
| [11:55:26] | clever: | lol |
| [11:55:40] | clever: | im having to actualy apply sudden force to rip the compiz windows off the edges |
| [11:55:52] | mzb_d800: | all tunable ;) |
| [11:55:53] | clever: | they spent too much time making this:P |
| [11:56:17] | mzb_d800: | yes, someone having way too much fun |
| [11:56:25] | clever: | yeah |
| [11:56:31] | clever: | and i got dual core |
| [11:56:39] | clever: | i can probly play HD content without xc |
| [11:56:41] | clever: | xv |
| [11:56:44] | mzb_d800: | have you tried the fire (or is it explode) effect? |
| [11:56:50] | clever: | i beleive xv and compix dont work well |
| [11:56:50] | mzb_d800: | (with smoke on) |
| [11:57:03] | directhex|bsp: | they work fine, as long as one isn't using ati |
| [11:57:04] | clever: | i am noticing some redraw delays in xterm though |
| [11:57:09] | clever: | nvidia here |
| [11:57:12] | clever: | how would i enable it? |
| [11:57:24] | directhex|bsp: | Xv is on by default |
| [11:57:34] | mzb_d800: | eg. so that when you close a window it bursts into flames and disappears leaving smoke |
| [11:57:36] | clever: | yeah but xv i remember doesnt work well with compiz |
| [11:57:47] | clever: | mzb_d800: ahhh , and yeah its off atm:P |
| [11:58:07] | mzb_d800: | by default, yes ... processor + GPU intensive |
| [11:58:08] | ** directhex|bsp drags an Xv test window around his screen. it wobbles ** | |
| [11:58:26] | clever: | last time i tried it was just a empty xv window |
| [11:58:45] | clever: | using a non xv method fixed it and increased cpu usage |
| [11:58:51] | clever: | which wont be noticed as much on a dual core |
| [11:59:07] | directhex|bsp: | working without xv has other downsides |
| [11:59:19] | clever: | such as? |
| [11:59:30] | directhex|bsp: | significantly inferior image quality when scaling |
| [11:59:39] | clever: | ah |
| [11:59:49] | clever: | id think the scaling would just eat up more cpu when doing so |
| [12:00:01] | directhex|bsp: | and look worse too |
| [12:01:22] | javatexan: | can you flag and remove commercials after the fact? |
| [12:01:29] | clever: | yep |
| [12:01:40] | clever: | you can use the flag marks as hints when making a cutlist |
| [12:01:50] | clever: | and when you transcode it cuts out the parts marked in the cutlist |
| [12:01:57] | javatexan: | automagically? |
| [12:02:08] | clever: | it isnt fully automatic |
| [12:02:14] | javatexan: | k |
| [12:02:20] | clever: | basicaly you go into the recording when the flaging it done and hit edit |
| [12:02:26] | clever: | then z to copy in the flag marks |
| [12:02:37] | clever: | then you can fine tune them to fix any mistakes and save it |
| [12:03:34] | mzb_d800: | you can make it automatic if you trust the commflagger |
| [12:03:47] | clever: | mine clips a few seconds off randomly |
| [12:05:37] | clever: | lol |
| [12:05:44] | clever: | batery is lasting so long i forgot i was testing it! |
| [12:06:13] | mzb_d800: | aww... hoping you were laughing about the fire effect ;) |
| [12:06:27] | javatexan: | so when you transcode a show to mpeg4...where does it go.?? |
| [12:06:28] | clever: | dont see it in gconf-editor:P |
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| [12:06:47] | clever: | javatexan: normaly when you transcode it replaces the old file with the new encoding |
| [12:07:14] | mzb_d800: | * conditions apply ;)) |
| [12:07:33] | clever: | 'normaly' |
| [12:07:43] | clever: | assuming no special settings and stuff |
| [12:07:44] | javatexan: | oh...okay..thats cool....I have two really big hd on my box...can I get myth to use them for show storage or is it all handled purely by the DB? |
| [12:07:48] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [12:08:16] | clever: | thru the db(or the mythtv-setup ui) you can set it to use both drives thru storage groups |
| [12:08:27] | mzb_d800: | clever: use a compiz settings manager |
| [12:08:29] | clever: | or you can format both and merge then using raid or lvm and have 1 massive filesystem |
| [12:08:37] | clever: | mzb_d800: ahhh |
| [12:09:50] | clever: | now to find that... |
| [12:11:29] | clever: | ah theres the pakcage |
| [12:12:06] | clever: | also swap semi broke in this system(its sda not hda) but it dont mater |
| [12:12:08] | clever: | 1gig of ram! |
| [12:12:41] | clever: | having too much fun:P |
| [12:14:05] | clever: | myth is in a window now in compiz:) |
| [12:14:15] | clever: | but its missing the wm decorations |
| [12:14:39] | clever: | dont realy need them though |
| [12:15:03] | oobe is now known as poopoopoo | |
| [12:15:15] | poopoopoo is now known as oobe | |
| [12:18:48] | clever: | mzb_d800: nothing happens when i run the manager |
| [12:18:59] | clever: | gnome-compiz-preferences just sits there and doesnt open a window |
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| [12:20:12] | clever: | wait |
| [12:20:55] | directhex|bsp: | use ccsm |
| [12:21:59] | clever: | installing |
| [12:22:17] | clever: | also my xterms have started to manfunction |
| [12:22:32] | clever: | the cursor is normaly a solid block but now its a outline and non responsive |
| [12:22:44] | clever: | all 3 went dead like that |
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| [12:33:43] | quicksilver: | that is the behaviour of an xterm which doesn't have keyboard focus |
| [12:33:44] | quicksilver: | IIRC |
| [12:33:52] | clever: | yep |
| [12:33:52] | quicksilver: | yes, it is |
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| [12:33:59] | clever: | except it does have focus |
| [12:34:05] | clever: | or im unable to focus it anymore |
| [12:34:12] | clever: | gnome-terminal still works |
| [12:34:25] | clever: | normaly it has horid refresh rates but dual core solves that:P |
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| [12:41:24] | Solv: | can anyone help me set up my serial lirc reveiver? I have done it before...but can't figure out what's going wrong now....currently i have freed up access to my serial port, and cat /dev/lirc0 shows output when i press on the remote...i have imported my old lircd.conf...and i have checked the hardware.conf file is correct...lirc_serial module is loaded, lirc starts fine...but when i run irw...i get nothing...and irrecord says it thinks lirc |
| [12:41:24] | Solv: | is still running even after i stop it? |
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| [12:41:55] | Solv: | not sure where to go now |
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| [13:00:38] | oobe: | hey everybody mythtv 21 is officially released check the site now |
| [13:02:03] | javatexan: | I can get a 3250HD!!!!!!! with two active firewire ports |
| [13:02:20] | javatexan: | for $6.00 per month@!!!!!! |
| [13:02:36] | javatexan: | Yes |
| [13:02:52] | clever: | nice |
| [13:03:04] | javatexan: | now the question is what can mythtv do with a 3250....? Where can I read up on it? |
| [13:03:10] | clever: | my dad is paying even more for a non firewire box |
| [13:04:06] | clever: | (counting the channels) |
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| [13:07:16] | clever: | arg |
| [13:07:23] | clever: | my mythbackend is eating 90% of the cpu |
| [13:07:27] | clever: | even when using rtjpeg |
| [13:10:08] | javatexan: | oh man...I read that with FW you cant get HBO or Showtime even though you pay for it.....bummer! |
| [13:10:18] | javatexan: | is that still true? |
| [13:10:50] | twnqx: | well, where do you put the CI? |
| [13:11:05] | clever: | ci? |
| [13:11:08] | javatexan: | CI? |
| [13:11:10] | cccp: | clever: are you running nxtvepg or something like that? that causes full cpu usage on my setup |
| [13:11:19] | clever: | ? |
| [13:11:26] | twnqx: | common interface |
| [13:11:42] | twnqx: | or how does licensing of encryptet services work in your countries? |
| [13:11:55] | clever: | cccp: dont think so |
| [13:12:15] | clever: | frame grabber card |
| [13:12:18] | anykey_: | twnqx: I think the US doesn't use CI/CAM solutions |
| [13:12:29] | twnqx: | ic |
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| [13:21:00] | javatexan: | still, I wonder how I am going to add my old mpeg2/4 stuff to my mythtv backend by hand....any ideas? |
| [13:21:42] | cccp: | whyat do you mena by old mpeg2/4 stuff? old recorded videos? |
| [13:21:48] | javatexan: | yes |
| [13:22:03] | cccp: | try mythvideo |
| [13:22:33] | javatexan: | my wife really....no REALLY....likes to show friends old stuff. CCCP: its already on the computer man...;) |
| [13:22:55] | cccp: | now you managed to confuse me ;) |
| [13:23:23] | javatexan: | nvm...thought you were saying to rip it off the camera again... ;) |
| [13:24:05] | cccp: | camera? moar confusion ensues ;) |
| [13:24:11] | javatexan: | where does mythvideo plugin .. is it a backend or frontend plugin? |
| [13:24:14] | cccp: | mythvideo is a way to manage video fiels |
| [13:24:22] | cccp: | frontend only i believe |
| [13:24:30] | javatexan: | sweet |
| [13:24:43] | cccp: | but you could share some /videos dir among frontends and backends, nfs, samba, whatever |
| [13:25:04] | clever: | i put most of my stuff under /media/videos/`hostname` |
| [13:25:25] | javatexan: | can the dvd burning frontend stuff get to it too....sorry havent read up on this yet? |
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| [13:26:05] | clever: | so the laptop has its stuff under /media/videos/laptop |
| [13:26:05] | clever: | media box is at /media/videos/media |
| [13:26:05] | clever: | damn ethernet cable came loose |
| [13:26:29] | justinh: | better to mount all your shares to the same location on all frontends |
| [13:26:51] | clever: | justinh: i have /media/videos/laptop mounted to the same point on all systems |
| [13:26:52] | justinh: | mythvideo doesn't like it any other way |
| [13:26:59] | clever: | the thing is multiple systems are sharing |
| [13:32:52] | javatexan: | ok...lets say I want to get some payperview through cable....as if, but anyway let's assume that....can I use mythtv to view what the tv would have seen to get it going then record? How would I do that...a window popup or is there a preview window of what the haupague is seeing? |
| [13:33:35] | javatexan: | maybe the superbowl is now payperview....LOL |
| [13:34:08] | justinh: | let's say that it won't be possible |
| [13:34:44] | justinh: | though you could schedule a recording manually to do it |
| [13:36:05] | justinh: | really sounds like what you want from mythtv is totally at odds with what mythtv is best at |
| [13:37:05] | javatexan: | just trying to see what it can and cant do.. thats all |
| [13:38:51] | javatexan: | just trying to see if it will work with my crazy setup here at the house...LOL |
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| [14:01:21] | clever: | got some netbooting going |
| [14:01:28] | clever: | memtest is able to fireup on boot now:D |
| [14:01:38] | clever: | without a hdd floppy or cdrom drive |
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| [14:13:43] | fryfrog: | clever: neat |
| [14:13:52] | fryfrog: | i read recently that *grub* supports net-boot |
| [14:14:14] | fryfrog: | though i guess that'd mean you'd need a physical device in the box... but if you don't have netboot on nic, a cf card and grub might be nice :) |
| [14:14:26] | clever: | the grub image can be loaded thru pxe and stuff |
| [14:14:29] | clever: | by the bios |
| [14:14:47] | clever: | but you need to include the ethernet drivers and tftp support in that grub image at compile time |
| [14:14:58] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [14:15:04] | fryfrog: | wow, grub over pxe! |
| [14:15:06] | clever: | ive yet to get that to work |
| [14:15:20] | clever: | right now im loading 'pxelinux.0' |
| [14:15:32] | clever: | which fails to find a config file and falls back to running the 'linux' kernel |
| [14:15:36] | clever: | which is a renamed memtest |
| [14:15:45] | clever: | tftp server logs help alot:P |
| [14:15:49] | justinh: | I've done grub over pxe before. fun :) |
| [14:16:02] | clever: | i tried setting the dhcp server to point directly at the memtest binary |
| [14:16:10] | clever: | it just spat out the same number on screen over and over |
| [14:17:11] | clever: | next thing i need is a root on nfs and a proper syslinux config |
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| [14:31:02] | ** clever gives debootstrap a test spin ** | |
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| [14:31:46] | clever: | seems to be working:D |
| [14:31:52] | clever: | and i bearly even know how to use it:P |
| [14:32:33] | clever: | when done i should have a fresh rootfs without even needing to reboot or find a install cd/image |
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| [14:35:54] | clever: | chroot into it and install a kernel then symlink it to the tftp root and it should boot |
| [14:35:57] | clever: | in theory |
| [14:36:11] | clever: | cant be too hard to get mythtv going on there |
| [14:36:27] | clever: | problem is getting the hostnames to be set right when sharing a root |
| [14:37:22] | fryfrog: | don't just share root, i think that is how it has to be done |
| [14:37:29] | fryfrog: | ie, you'll have maybe a shared /usr and /bin |
| [14:37:37] | fryfrog: | and a /etc and /var/ for *each* host |
| [14:37:53] | clever: | ahh |
| [14:38:13] | clever: | what controls which /etc/ it gets from the nfs server though? |
| [14:38:34] | fryfrog: | well, okay |
| [14:38:35] | fryfrog: | so... |
| [14:38:40] | fryfrog: | your "/" would be "/etc" |
| [14:38:45] | fryfrog: | i believe |
| [14:39:09] | fryfrog: | so your "root" for each "client" would be *one* fs which has / and /etc and /var maybe |
| [14:39:10] | clever: | so the initial root it grabs would be uniq to its host and then grab shared bits from there? |
| [14:39:13] | fryfrog: | or at least / and /etc |
| [14:39:16] | fryfrog: | exactly |
| [14:39:19] | clever: | ah |
| [14:39:22] | fryfrog: | at least, that is my understanding |
| [14:39:51] | clever: | the uniq stuff could be all on a single nfs mount for / |
| [14:39:57] | fryfrog: | exactly |
| [14:40:01] | clever: | and the fstab can pull in more nfs mounts for the shared peices |
| [14:40:16] | fryfrog: | I believe that is 110% accurate! |
| [14:40:20] | fryfrog: | but what can you share? |
| [14:40:31] | fryfrog: | I imagine /lib, /bin, /sbin, /usr? |
| [14:40:35] | clever: | bin/lib can be shared i beleive |
| [14:40:42] | clever: | im allready sharing those between normal systems for myth |
| [14:40:47] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [14:40:52] | clever: | ./configure --prefix=/media/mainlv/root/7.10/ |
| [14:40:54] | fryfrog: | oh, /home should be safe too? |
| [14:41:09] | clever: | then mod ld.so.conf and PATH so mythtv is found |
| [14:41:17] | clever: | now all my 7.10 boxes can share a mythtv |
| [14:41:25] | fryfrog: | i see |
| [14:41:38] | fryfrog: | i think when you do NFS you'd maybe just install to /usr though? |
| [14:41:48] | clever: | yeah |
| [14:41:50] | fryfrog: | so, what *distro* would you netboot? |
| [14:42:00] | clever: | ubuntu is under all my myth boxes atm |
| [14:42:08] | fryfrog: | and would you nfs share your *servers* /lib, etc? |
| [14:42:15] | fryfrog: | or would you create new ones that are *just* for your FE? |
| [14:42:16] | clever: | and im using debootstrap under ubuntu to make a minimal rootfs of ubuntu 7.10 |
| [14:42:24] | fryfrog: | ie /nfs/usr and /nfs/bin, etc? |
| [14:42:43] | clever: | im thinking all the netbooting systems will have a single shared set |
| [14:42:48] | clever: | the nfs host is 6.10 |
| [14:42:53] | clever: | and the rootfs is 7.10 |
| [14:42:56] | clever: | wont share well:P |
| [14:42:59] | fryfrog: | i concur |
| [14:43:17] | clever: | my 'theP4' box is the master and 6.10 and main nfs server |
| [14:43:19] | fryfrog: | i'd have a seperate nfs /lib and /usr and stuff too |
| [14:43:26] | clever: | it also hosts the /bin and /lib for all the 7.10 boxes |
| [14:43:28] | fryfrog: | that way, your FE can be light weight |
| [14:43:36] | fryfrog: | and you won't end up with a bunch of "server" crap on them |
| [14:44:06] | clever: | yeah |
| [14:44:11] | clever: | atm its just a temp netbooting |
| [14:44:12] | fryfrog: | it is sort of a shame about /etc though |
| [14:44:22] | clever: | i stuck my laptop drive in dads brand new laptop |
| [14:44:26] | fryfrog: | cause there are certainly only 2–5% of files that need to be *changed* |
| [14:44:28] | clever: | now im netbooting the empty laptop |
| [14:44:44] | fryfrog: | between network clients, i mean |
| [14:44:49] | clever: | etc is only 1.8mb on the bare root |
| [14:44:55] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [14:44:59] | clever: | which is 208mb total |
| [14:45:00] | fryfrog: | no big deal then |
| [14:45:08] | clever: | but it currently lacks qt and myth and all the friends |
| [14:45:38] | fryfrog: | does the regular old ubuntu kernel support nfs root? |
| [14:45:44] | fryfrog: | i have to imagine it does by defult? |
| [14:46:11] | clever: | i see traces of it in the initrd conf |
| [14:47:05] | clever: | just need to mod it and rebuild the initrd |
| [14:47:13] | clever: | then let the tftpd share the kernel and initrd |
| [14:47:25] | clever: | and put proper conf on the syslinux conf |
| [14:47:35] | fryfrog: | ah :/ |
| [14:47:40] | fryfrog: | so *why* are you doing this, btw? |
| [14:47:41] | clever: | 70mb to get the kernel(and modules) |
| [14:47:47] | fryfrog: | going to have a lot of FEs? |
| [14:47:55] | fryfrog: | and how slow is net booting such a big kernel/initd? |
| [14:48:00] | fryfrog: | initrd |
| [14:48:01] | clever: | bored:P |
| [14:48:03] | clever: | and what was my main laptop is now empty and able to pxe |
| [14:48:09] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [14:48:12] | clever: | the 70mb is for ALL modules |
| [14:48:16] | clever: | they wont all be going into the initrd |
| [14:48:19] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [14:48:34] | clever: | i took the hdd from my 'olddell' |
| [14:48:39] | fryfrog: | do you need to specify what does in? or is ubuntu smart about only putting important stuff in? |
| [14:48:41] | clever: | and stuck it into the 'newdell' which is a dual core 1.8ghz |
| [14:48:51] | clever: | there is a setting in the initrd conf |
| [14:48:56] | clever: | about how many modules to put in |
| [14:49:02] | clever: | all/most/min/custom |
| [14:49:19] | fryfrog: | ah, cool |
| [14:49:23] | fryfrog: | what do you pick, min? |
| [14:49:26] | fryfrog: | or custom? |
| [14:49:27] | clever: | dad will want his dual core back later but until then i can play with netbooting the empty laptop |
| [14:49:34] | clever: | dont know yet |
| [14:49:59] | clever: | and i'll have netbooting ready for other fe's later |
| [14:50:07] | fryfrog: | cool :) |
| [14:50:09] | clever: | 256mb for the whole root now |
| [14:50:32] | fryfrog: | i'm curious if there is any noticable slow down from doing it all over nfs |
| [14:50:41] | clever: | 280 |
| [14:50:57] | fryfrog: | i doubt you'd want to play games (not that there are any linux games), but i bet it is hardly noticable for myth / web browsing |
| [14:51:02] | clever: | ive allready got mythtv itself stored over nfs |
| [14:51:10] | clever: | its a bit slow to startup over wifi |
| [14:51:16] | clever: | slightly slow on ethernet |
| [14:51:23] | clever: | but once its in ram it runs at full speed |
| [14:52:40] | clever: | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic |
| [14:52:46] | clever: | 312mb |
| [14:53:15] | clever: | its thiner then any other install i have so far |
| [14:53:53] | clever: | root@theP4:/# vi etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
| [14:54:04] | clever: | # MODULES: [ most | netboot | dep | list ] |
| [14:54:07] | clever: | # netboot – Add the base modules, network modules, but skip block devices. |
| [14:54:12] | clever: | MODULES=most |
| [14:54:14] | clever: | (default) |
| [14:54:55] | clever: | arg |
| [14:55:01] | clever: | vim defaults are painfull |
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| [14:55:26] | clever: | cant use arrow keys while in insert mode |
| [14:56:01] | mzb_d800: | clever: if you have multiple hosts needing an nfs root, but you want to share certain parts, I suggest you look into nfs v4 (crossmnt,fsid=0) and bind mounts |
| [14:56:36] | clever: | bind mounts would work better then 5 seperate mounts for /usr /bin /lib /share ..... |
| [14:56:52] | clever: | ive used them before a bit |
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| [14:57:52] | clever: | regenerating initrd with new config |
| [14:58:12] | clever: | 309 mb |
| [15:00:09] | clever: | half worked |
| [15:00:13] | clever: | o crap |
| [15:00:16] | clever: | theres half my problem |
| [15:00:31] | clever: | it was stealing the old ip of that box |
| [15:00:38] | clever: | which is now running with the old hdd in a new box |
| [15:00:48] | ** clever edits dhcp conf ** | |
| [15:01:03] | clever: | it nuked every tcp connection to the other laptop:P |
| [15:02:04] | clever: | and i'll need to mod exports to handle the new ip |
| [15:03:18] | javatexan: | well I am afraid that if I do all this (buy hapauge cards, setup mythtv, etc)...nothing will work and it will be a big, expensive waste of time |
| [15:04:49] | javatexan: | what does the be database hold? Does it actually hold the shows or does it hold the shows in a directory somewhere....I am guessing directory, since you put XFS on the volume... |
| [15:05:22] | clever: | it holda a list of shows |
| [15:05:23] | GreyFoxx: | javatexan: The database holds configuration info for backends/frontend/plugins |
| [15:05:37] | clever: | the actual video files are stored on a normal file system |
| [15:05:43] | GreyFoxx: | shows are on disk in whatever directory you configured them to be placed in |
| [15:06:11] | javatexan: | cool |
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| [15:12:45] | rhpot1991: | does anyone have any idea what happauge's warranty policy is? |
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| [15:13:12] | clever: | fryfrog: half working atm |
| [15:13:15] | clever: | kernel and initrd load up |
| [15:13:25] | clever: | gets stuck in a inf loop failing to mount nfs root |
| [15:15:10] | rhpot1991: | My master backend randomly crashes (whole box completely locked up) leaving behind a 1B file of a recording that it had just started to make, this happens once every few weeks. I have yet to find anything useful in the logs to point at a problem so I am beginning to suspect that the tuner may have a problem. |
| [15:15:41] | clever: | rhpot1991: do you have X running at the time(the graphic interface)? |
| [15:15:51] | rhpot1991: | yep |
| [15:15:58] | rhpot1991: | its a frontend also |
| [15:16:03] | rhpot1991: | and nx sometimes running |
| [15:16:08] | clever: | do you have a null modem cable and serial port on that box? |
| [15:16:15] | clever: | and serial on any other box within reach |
| [15:16:22] | rhpot1991: | me? |
| [15:16:25] | clever: | yeah |
| [15:16:46] | rhpot1991: | I'm not sure |
| [15:16:53] | clever: | its posible to dump the kernel errors out the serial port |
| [15:16:58] | clever: | where another pc can hear and show them |
| [15:17:05] | rhpot1991: | at work now so I can't see it, I think it might have a serial port |
| [15:17:09] | clever: | and the error will still be on screen and scrollable with the box frozen |
| [15:17:12] | rhpot1991: | any way to do that over anything else like ethernet? |
| [15:17:26] | clever: | there is netconsole which can do similar stuff over udp |
| [15:17:34] | clever: | but ive rarely used it |
| [15:17:37] | clever: | google can probly help |
| [15:17:45] | rhpot1991: | let me look into that |
| [15:18:00] | clever: | assuming it works youll probly get a kernel panic msg out of it |
| [15:18:07] | javatexan: | can you have mythtv only record a show with no duplicates |
| [15:18:13] | rhpot1991: | I have my router running openwrt, so if I can somehow use that to monitor it, that would be great |
| [15:18:20] | clever: | only other option is to hide the graphic interface when not using it so its in text most most of the time |
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| [15:18:43] | clever: | i think you just need a netcat call to listen to the 'netconsole' |
| [15:19:36] | clever: | also |
| [15:19:36] | rhpot1991: | clever: what should I be googling for? (need a push in the right direction) |
| [15:19:50] | clever: | you might be able to switch it to text after it crashes using a sysrq to view the error |
| [15:20:01] | clever: | what distro? |
| [15:20:05] | rhpot1991: | ubuntu |
| [15:20:14] | rhpot1991: | I have physical access to the box, but it doesn't respond at all |
| [15:20:28] | clever: | sysrq is alt+printscreen+specialkey |
| [15:20:31] | rhpot1991: | I go over and hit numlock and nothing happens, thats when I know its dead and get sad |
| [15:20:31] | justinh: | serial to debug why it doesn't boot. pfft |
| [15:20:36] | justinh: | just bin it |
| [15:20:57] | clever: | alt+printscreen+r will unraw the keyboard posibly letting you ctrl+alt+f1 to see the error |
| [15:21:03] | rhpot1991: | it boot, it just locks up once a month or so, immediately after starting a recording |
| [15:21:08] | rhpot1991: | ah nice, I'll have to try that |
| [15:21:20] | rhpot1991: | hard thing is it doesn't happen reliably, and normally happens when I am at work and can't reset it |
| [15:21:24] | clever: | alt+printscreen+b will instantly reboot it like the reset button |
| [15:21:47] | clever: | if you google up sysrq youll find all the combinations and what order to hit them in to shut it down with the least damage |
| [15:21:55] | clever: | (less then the hard off your probly allready doing) |
| [15:22:25] | clever: | rhpot1991: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=of . . . ch&meta= |
| [15:22:25] | rhpot1991: | ya, any idea if there is a way of doing that remotely if the system isn't responding to pings? |
| [15:22:28] | javatexan: | is there a way to run myth in windowed version for the computer screen vs kiosk mode? |
| [15:22:42] | justinh: | course there is |
| [15:22:52] | justinh: | check the 'run mythfrontend in a window' tickbox |
| [15:22:54] | clever: | rhpot1991: with serial console or netconsole you can view the error output after it crashes(posibly remotely) |
| [15:23:32] | clever: | rhpot1991: also i think sysrq can work over serial but i have no idea how to send the 'break' key, but assuming sysrq where still working you could reboot it from a frozen state |
| [15:23:38] | justinh: | what you can't do, is resize the window by clicking & dragging on it. sucks to be you, but mythtv was designed to be run on a TV |
| [15:23:50] | clever: | rhpot1991: also i beleive you can set the kernel to reboot pn panic instead of just freezing and waiting for you |
| [15:24:48] | rhpot1991: | that would be great |
| [15:25:13] | clever: | this is all assuming its a panic and not a full solid lockup |
| [15:25:30] | javatexan: | i don't think I can get to that....its having trouble connecting to the backend or somehting and keeps going to setup...LOL |
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| [15:26:45] | javatexan: | i think I have an infinite loop :( |
| [15:27:16] | clever: | me too atm |
| [15:27:22] | clever: | constantly retrying nfs root mount |
| [15:27:51] | justinh: | if (!clue) { reboot } |
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| [15:43:03] | yutlin: | Hey all, does anyone know if there is a way to control scaling/filtering in MythTV video playback? I'm coming from Windows and had things dialed in nicely using FFDShow for Lancoz resizing, Noise Reduction, etc. |
| [15:43:33] | fryfrog: | there is, uh, playback under setup/tv? |
| [15:43:35] | fryfrog: | or something |
| [15:43:44] | fryfrog: | you can pick deint and also specify custom lines on kernel |
| [15:43:49] | fryfrog: | not that i know what you'd* put * there |
| [15:48:20] | GreyFoxx: | There are several filters you can apply including denoising, several deinterlacers and some croppers and such |
| [15:48:32] | GreyFoxx: | but I honestly never touch them |
| [15:48:51] | hexxeh: | myth's media stuffs are based on ffmpeg, i cant see achieving the same results as ffdshow being impossible |
| [15:48:58] | hexxeh: | merely a pain in the arse |
| [15:49:00] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_playback_filters |
| [15:49:21] | GreyFoxx: | There are a couple new deinterlacers and such in svn trunk that are not listed on that page |
| [15:49:26] | GreyFoxx: | yadif and greedyh |
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| [15:50:51] | hexxeh: | lanczos3 is a scaler filter, not deint |
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| [15:53:21] | GreyFoxx: | did someone say it was a deinterlacer ? Or are you seeing that on that page ? or are you referring to greedyh ? |
| [15:53:56] | hexxeh: | yutlin specifically wanted lanczos3. presumably he's unhappy with the scaling that's going on |
| [15:54:29] | fysa: | ooo lanczos |
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| [15:56:29] | mchou: | anyone using ubuntu here? |
| [15:56:48] | clever: | me me:P |
| [15:56:49] | ** mkrufky uses ubuntu ** | |
| [15:56:53] | fryfrog: | me memememem! |
| [15:57:01] | mchou: | clever: can you do me a favor? |
| [15:57:12] | fryfrog: | bah, no <3 me :( |
| [15:57:15] | clever: | depends on what it is |
| [15:57:26] | fryfrog: | he wants you to kill and bury someone :/ |
| [15:57:28] | clever: | fryfrog: still cant get the root to mount.. |
| [15:57:32] | fryfrog: | *AWKWARD!* |
| [15:57:41] | mchou: | clever: I need you to test out a proggie called 'gromit' |
| [15:57:51] | clever: | mchou: whats it do? |
| [15:58:01] | mchou: | clever: one sec |
| [15:58:25] | fryfrog: | p gromit – GTK based tool to make annotations on scre? |
| [15:58:28] | mchou: | clever: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/gromit/ |
| [15:58:45] | mchou: | clever: on my distro it doesnt work right |
| [15:59:23] | mchou: | cursor goes crazy and cant be controlled |
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| [15:59:38] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
| [16:00:28] | clever: | mchou: ahh that kind of program |
| [16:01:53] | clever: | mchou: looks like you should be able to just apt-get install gromit |
| [16:02:10] | mchou: | clever: my distro is rpm based |
| [16:02:20] | fryfrog: | then why did you ask about ubuntu? |
| [16:02:21] | Hilikus: | when i use mytharchive, what is the format of the burnt dvd? can i play it on a dvd player? |
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| [16:02:36] | clever: | mchou: ahh |
| [16:02:43] | fryfrog: | Hilikus: I haven't used mytharchive, but I *believe* htat is the idea |
| [16:02:44] | mchou: | fryfrog: cause I want to make sure it works right b4 I try it |
| [16:02:52] | fryfrog: | ah! |
| [16:03:16] | Hilikus: | fryfrog what should be the format? mpeg or avi? |
| [16:03:37] | clever: | fryfrog: good question |
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| [16:03:59] | fryfrog: | Hilikus: if it works in normal dvd players, it'd have to be mpeg2 |
| [16:04:15] | fryfrog: | but i'm just making educated guesses, you could try it and see :) |
| [16:05:36] | clever: | mchou: seems to work fine |
| [16:05:44] | clever: | mchou: gromit -a and i can draw all over the place |
| [16:05:55] | mchou: | clever: ok, thanks |
| [16:06:03] | clever: | left draws red lines |
| [16:06:11] | clever: | middle changes the red to green |
| [16:06:15] | clever: | right erases |
| [16:06:21] | mchou: | yup |
| [16:06:26] | clever: | now do you exit...? |
| [16:06:32] | mchou: | pretty cool proggie when it works |
| [16:06:42] | mchou: | hit alt-pause |
| [16:06:50] | clever: | ahhh:) |
| [16:06:54] | mchou: | pause key is by prt-screen |
| [16:06:57] | clever: | i could have just ctrl+c'ed it thru ssh also:) |
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| [16:07:09] | clever: | works fine in ubuntu 6.06 |
| [16:07:22] | mchou: | clever: cool. thanks a lot |
| [16:07:36] | clever: | now to finish fixing my nfs root |
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| [16:23:15] | clever: | fryfrog: odd |
| [16:23:27] | clever: | fryfrog: from the packetlog it appears to query a couple things on portmap |
| [16:23:43] | clever: | but never try to actualy connect to nfsd or any of the ports it queried |
| [16:24:32] | clever: | i'll try changing the export a bit |
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| [16:26:36] | clever: | that might be it |
| [16:26:52] | clever: | was exporting /media/mainlv/nfsroot/ |
| [16:26:58] | clever: | when /media/mainlv was allready exported |
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| [16:29:38] | fryfrog: | HOLEY SHIT |
| [16:29:47] | fryfrog: | the "DA" from L&O is running for president |
| [16:29:56] | fryfrog: | I swear I recognized his voice! |
| [16:30:13] | clever: | nope |
| [16:30:15] | clever: | still nothing |
| [16:30:42] | clever: | rpc failed 2 |
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| [16:32:13] | fryfrog: | p gromit – GTK based tool to make annotations on scre |
| [16:32:16] | fryfrog: | bah |
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| [16:34:04] | ** clever changes over to kernel nfs server ** | |
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| [16:40:54] | clever: | yay |
| [16:40:59] | clever: | kernel server fixed net booting |
| [16:41:04] | clever: | and broke every nfs mount in the house! |
| [16:42:36] | fryfrog: | lame! |
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| [16:43:05] | clever: | the kernel server doesnt understand the map_static arg |
| [16:43:16] | fryfrog: | what is that for? |
| [16:43:16] | clever: | and it has no memory of the mounts every box had |
| [16:43:27] | clever: | lets me staticly map local to remote uid/gui's |
| [16:43:29] | clever: | gid* |
| [16:43:42] | clever: | so that mythtv on 1 is mythtv on another |
| [16:43:57] | fryfrog: | you mean so you don't have to keep your uid / gid in sync manually? |
| [16:43:58] | fryfrog: | neat |
| [16:44:17] | fryfrog: | so it just sort of realizes that "mythtv" is the user "mythtv" even if the uid is 110 and 111 or something? |
| [16:44:42] | clever: | gid 1001 119 #mythtv |
| [16:44:49] | clever: | a sample line from one of my map files |
| [16:45:01] | clever: | explaining that mythtv is 1001 on 1 side and 119 on the other |
| [16:45:02] | fryfrog: | ah, so you have to configure it |
| [16:45:09] | clever: | nfs totaly ignores the names |
| [16:45:10] | fryfrog: | why not just make the uid's match then? |
| [16:45:21] | clever: | the user was allready made |
| [16:45:32] | fryfrog: | you can always change uid |
| [16:45:33] | clever: | also i was able to easily make www-data act like httpd on another box |
| [16:45:38] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [16:45:39] | clever: | without any changes |
| [16:45:49] | fryfrog: | yeah, i guess you'd have to re-chown some stuff |
| [16:45:52] | fryfrog: | neat idea |
| [16:45:56] | clever: | all stuff you own |
| [16:46:05] | clever: | and again for the group |
| [16:46:16] | clever: | reboot semi fixes dads box |
| [16:46:21] | clever: | but it has database errors |
| [16:46:27] | clever: | because the database is also on nfs:P |
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| [16:46:39] | ** clever reboots the db server ** | |
| [16:46:44] | clever: | and the laptop |
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| [16:48:16] | clever: | may need to mess with the uid's too so mysqld can write to files owned by mysql on the server |
| [16:48:56] | clever: | but the netboot has a login prompt up |
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| [16:49:21] | clever: | with only 300mb of data on root |
| [16:49:28] | clever: | o crud |
| [16:49:33] | clever: | passwd empty probly:P |
| [16:50:32] | clever: | fixed |
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| [16:56:22] | clever: | now to install enough for myth |
| [16:56:37] | clever: | after i fix the othr myths |
| [16:58:38] | clever: | fryfrog: this is why you need uid maps |
| [16:58:38] | clever: | drwx------ 2 haldaemon lpadmin 8192 2007-12–15 03:56 /media/mainlv/mythconverg/ |
| [16:58:47] | clever: | thats owned by mysql:mysql on the server... |
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| [17:10:58] | justinh: | clever: for total ownership, try sudo apt-get install chpwn3d :P |
| [17:11:29] | clever: | i need diff uid's to make it thru nfs intact |
| [17:11:34] | clever: | atleast 3 i can think of atm |
| [17:12:12] | justinh: | never had any bother mounting root over nfs |
| [17:12:22] | justinh: | no chango-uuid necessary |
| [17:12:31] | clever: | mysql isnt the same uid on either side |
| [17:12:58] | justinh: | won't ask what's wrong with just running one mysql server |
| [17:13:25] | clever: | my db files are still on the master |
| [17:13:31] | clever: | but its in the wrong timezone setting |
| [17:13:42] | clever: | so the mysqld itself is on another box accessing the files over nfs |
| [17:14:09] | justinh: | you're obviously a masochist |
| [17:14:38] | clever: | ive set the files to be owned by 115 |
| [17:14:42] | clever: | which is the remote ends mysql |
| [17:14:55] | clever: | nfsd is blindly leaving the uids intact so it should work |
| [17:15:21] | clever: | yep |
| [17:15:28] | clever: | that should do for now |
| [17:16:11] | clever: | rest of the uid's matter less |
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| [17:22:44] | a1fa: | hello |
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| [17:22:54] | a1fa: | does anybody know why flashplayer has been removed from mythweb in svn? |
| [17:23:39] | a1fa: | also.. my preview images are not showing in mythweb for recorded programs |
| [17:23:41] | justinh: | the commit log will know |
| [17:24:21] | a1fa: | hm.. also why is there quicktimecheck scriptable activex |
| [17:24:24] | a1fa: | on mythweb? |
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| [17:28:14] | justinh: | a1fa: nothing in the commit logs says anything about the flash player being removed |
| [17:28:47] | justinh: | also nothing about activex controls. something on your browser is borked methinks |
| [17:29:07] | a1fa: | hm.. flash player showed up |
| [17:29:19] | a1fa: | after couple of minutes of loading |
| [17:29:19] | a1fa: | lol |
| [17:29:36] | a1fa: | You don't have permission to access /mythweb/data/cache/ on this server. |
| [17:29:42] | a1fa: | this could be issue with broxored images |
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| [17:30:51] | a1fa: | hehe |
| [17:30:54] | a1fa: | <- rtfm |
| [17:31:56] | gbee: | fryfrog: did you get the mythvideo command problem sorted? |
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| [17:38:02] | a1fa: | heh |
| [17:38:04] | a1fa: | this is messed up |
| [17:38:12] | a1fa: | You don't have permission to access /mythweb/data/cache/ on this server. |
| [17:38:45] | a1fa: | its a+rw |
| [17:39:03] | a1fa: | the whole data dir is -R |
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| [17:41:22] | a1fa: | hm |
| [17:41:28] | a1fa: | i think rewrite is fucking it up |
| [17:42:17] | iamlindoro_: | a1fa, for what it's worth, I have been getting the blank previews in mythweb in recent SVN as well... if you get to the bottom of it, let me know |
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| [17:45:47] | a1fa: | dunno |
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| [17:45:56] | a1fa: | need to find what is locking this data |
| [17:46:06] | a1fa: | directory |
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| [17:48:55] | a1fa: | so i dont see previews |
| [17:48:57] | a1fa: | this sucks |
| [17:49:11] | iamlindoro_: | a1fa, I'm actually getting 0 size files for new previews... it seems similar to this: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3217 |
| [17:49:23] | iamlindoro_: | So the files are created for me, but are empty |
| [17:49:38] | a1fa: | i am getting 403 |
| [17:49:42] | a1fa: | forbidden |
| [17:50:57] | clever: | fryfrog: this nfsroot box is running way faster then it used to |
| [17:51:06] | clever: | and faster then the nfs server did by itself |
| [17:51:13] | iamlindoro_: | Different problem then, it seems. In my case, that ticket doesn't apply as my backend uses its actual IP rather than 127.0.0.1 |
| [17:51:24] | clever: | but thats probly because the packages i have installed are extremely thined out |
| [17:53:21] | iamlindoro_: | Mine showed up very very recently, but mythweb hasn't changed in some time. I expect it has more to do with soemthing changed in backend |
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| [17:53:45] | a1fa: | wtf |
| [17:53:51] | a1fa: | i cant find what restricts /data |
| [17:53:59] | a1fa: | no config file, nothing |
| [17:54:03] | a1fa: | it just restricted |
| [17:54:04] | a1fa: | hehee |
| [17:55:07] | iamlindoro_: | Looks like 15145 made changes to the preview generator in mythbackend |
| [17:56:26] | iamlindoro_: | 15029 may also be the culprit |
| [17:56:41] | iamlindoro_: | both are in the last two weeks and pertain to preview generation |
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| [17:57:44] | a1fa: | sucks |
| [17:58:03] | a1fa: | http://192.168.1.101/mythweb/data/cache/1029_ . . . 00x0x124.png |
| [17:58:07] | a1fa: | lol |
| [17:58:15] | a1fa: | You don't have permission to access /mythweb/data/cache/ on this server. |
| [17:58:16] | iamlindoro_: | That URL's not gonna do me much good |
| [17:58:18] | a1fa: | this is what pisses me off |
| [17:58:24] | a1fa: | iamlindoro: wrong paste |
| [17:58:43] | a1fa: | i cant figure out what is denying access to /data |
| [17:58:46] | clever: | Fatal server error: |
| [17:58:50] | a1fa: | or data/ |
| [17:58:54] | clever: | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| [17:59:01] | clever: | what package is that in?:S |
| [17:59:23] | iamlindoro_: | clever, is this trying to run myth, or X? |
| [17:59:35] | clever: | X for myth to go in |
| [17:59:48] | clever: | fresh 'install' |
| [18:00:01] | clever: | (debootstrap) |
| [18:00:02] | iamlindoro_: | I presume it's in xfonts-base |
| [18:00:13] | clever: | installing... |
| [18:00:31] | a1fa: | ok |
| [18:00:39] | a1fa: | os i had to fuxor with mythtv.conf in apache conf |
| [18:00:40] | a1fa: | lol |
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| [18:01:50] | clever: | better |
| [18:01:57] | clever: | now its asking for a language |
| [18:02:05] | ** clever fixes mysql.txt ** | |
| [18:03:45] | a1fa: | lol |
| [18:04:38] | clever: | prescaling images... |
| [18:04:54] | clever: | once i get a show to play it will pretty much be done |
| [18:05:39] | a1fa: | still no images |
| [18:06:05] | clever: | oops |
| [18:06:07] | clever: | tz isnt set |
| [18:08:34] | a1fa: | fixed |
| [18:08:43] | clever: | tz fixed |
| [18:09:38] | a1fa: | except the size is 0 now |
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| [18:10:54] | a1fa: | mythwbe also hates IE |
| [18:10:59] | peterpan_: | how to use my tv card (alpha tv tuner card) ? http://pastebin.ca/822256 |
| [18:11:40] | a1fa: | .asx streaming does not work over ssh tunneling :( |
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| [18:12:33] | iamlindoro_: | peterpan_, I don't understand the question. What is it you want to do? "How to use" doesn't do us much good. |
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| [18:13:08] | clever: | ow to english |
| [18:13:12] | clever: | how* |
| [18:13:19] | iamlindoro_: | Because if you're asking to be walked through setting up mythtv, then my brain will explode, and that will make my mother sad. |
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| [18:15:12] | hexxington: | looks like a framegrabber |
| [18:16:12] | peterpan_: | iamlindoro how to enable... "use" means to avail oneself of; apply to one's own purposes: to use the facilities. |
| [18:16:38] | iamlindoro_: | oh, thank you for the definition of use. Now it's all perfectly clear to me. |
| [18:17:39] | ** clever gets a log of my error ** | |
| [18:17:47] | iamlindoro_: | ok then, minimally, to enable a card you will need to modprobe the appropriate module. If you card is supported in linux I suggest you check linuxtv.org and the myth wiki. |
| [18:18:36] | hexxington: | it's a framegrabber. it ought to just work as well as any framegrabber does |
| [18:20:06] | iamlindoro_: | hexxington, appears to be a saa7134 card... I believe it's a DTV card |
| [18:20:20] | iamlindoro_: | So it would only be a framegrabber if he used it in analog mode |
| [18:20:39] | clever: | http://clever.mine.nu:82/paste/felog1 |
| [18:20:41] | hexxington: | iamlindoro, well, he's not forthcoming with details, but i'm sure there are analog saa7134 cards aren't there? |
| [18:20:46] | clever: | whats causing my horid frame rates? |
| [18:21:29] | iamlindoro_: | hexxington, this is the card he referenced http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/tv-cards/twinhan-dtv-alpha/ |
| [18:21:42] | hexxington: | clever, lack of xv? |
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| [18:21:53] | hexxington: | iamlindoro, oh. ew |
| [18:22:02] | clever: | hexxington: which package/setting would i need to get it back? |
| [18:22:08] | iamlindoro_: | whether there are any *strictly* analog saa7134 card, I don't know... all the ones I have ever seen have been ATSC cards |
| [18:22:19] | hexxington: | clever, depends on your graphics card, and what you've done to it |
| [18:22:43] | clever: | hexxington: the card can handle it and its worked before with a diff install of the same distro |
| [18:22:46] | iamlindoro_: | But I agree, the language barrier appears to be preventing any further help :) |
| [18:22:54] | clever: | hexxington: but its a very bare install right now with nfs on root |
| [18:23:00] | iamlindoro_: | But thank god I know what use means now |
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| [18:26:04] | clever: | hexxington doh |
| [18:26:11] | clever: | hexxington: im using the vesa driver:P |
| [18:26:46] | peterpan_: | i went to linuxtv.org and installed the dvb . i have mythtv and kdetv . but i can work it out. |
| [18:27:38] | clever: | hexxington: now an OLD xv bug is back |
| [18:27:53] | clever: | hexxington: the image is getting squished into the top half of the overlay area |
| [18:31:02] | peterpan_: | iamlindoro i went to linuxtv.org and installed the dvb . i have mythtv and kdetv . but i can work it out. |
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| [18:33:13] | iamlindoro_: | peterpan_, it's going to be hard for me to help you, I think we are having some language issues. I'll say this much-- if you have loaded the correct modules for your card, there should be a /dev/dvb directory. If that's there, then you are in good shape. Try to find some documentation on watching television with mplayer or kaffeine in your language, and get it working there first. |
| [18:33:27] | iamlindoro_: | once you have that working, it should be easier to set up mythtv |
| [18:34:30] | iamlindoro_: | Also, try to read and understand this page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/TwinhanDVT_Alpha |
| [18:34:56] | hexxington: | clever, ATI? |
| [18:35:00] | clever: | yep |
| [18:35:04] | clever: | was 800x600 |
| [18:35:14] | hexxington: | clever, notice how i guessed, based on your problem description? |
| [18:35:17] | clever: | urusai! urusai! urusai! |
| [18:35:20] | clever: | urusai! urusai! urusai! |
| [18:35:22] | clever: | oops |
| [18:35:27] | peterpan_: | iamlindoro theres no dir in /dev named dvb |
| [18:35:38] | clever: | fixing the refresh rates to allow 1024x768 seems to have also fixed the xv squishing |
| [18:35:57] | clever: | i just copyed bits from the xorg.conf that original ran in that laptop |
| [18:36:48] | clever: | hexxington: its working now |
| [18:36:58] | clever: | now i simple need to get myth to autostart |
| [18:37:06] | iamlindoro_: | peterpan_, then your card is not configured properly. I assume you don't have the firmware installed. You need to go *read* about your card at linuxtv... It will show you what firmware to download and how to set it up better than I can |
| [18:37:34] | peterpan_: | iamlindoro ok... thanks |
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| [18:48:05] | clever: | done |
| [18:48:14] | clever: | full nfs root thin client on 495mb of space |
| [18:48:28] | clever: | most of which can probly be shared between multiple clients if i put more work in |
| [18:48:51] | clever: | and no swap at all:) |
| [18:50:13] | dserban: | what's a good "active up" nes emulator? |
| [18:50:19] | dserban: | err heh "active" |
| [18:50:37] | clever: | i like using zsnes |
| [18:50:47] | GreyFoxx: | he said nes, not snes :) |
| [18:50:57] | clever: | could have been another typo:P |
| [18:51:03] | iamlindoro_: | I use fceu, works pretty well |
| [18:51:30] | iamlindoro_: | Launched from MythGame, of course ;) |
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| [18:52:04] | GreyFoxx: | What I want is to bind a remote key so that mythgame will kill any emulator it launched if that key is pressed |
| [18:52:12] | iamlindoro_: | Greyfoxx, yeah, I did that |
| [18:52:15] | GreyFoxx: | but if the emulator doesn't play nice that can get ugly |
| [18:52:27] | iamlindoro_: | It's ugly in general :) |
| [18:52:30] | GreyFoxx: | not restoring video mode etc |
| [18:52:56] | iamlindoro_: | I think my little irexec script for it is just killall fceu, killall scummvm, etc, etc |
| [18:52:58] | GreyFoxx: | I have a resetvideo.sh that I put in the commandline of all mythgame emulators to reset everything. Overscan, resolutionk, etc :) |
| [18:53:10] | iamlindoro_: | cool, makes sense |
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| [18:53:44] | GreyFoxx: | It's why I added the ability to chain commands cause I was annoyed that most would not restore my overscan :) |
| [18:53:45] | clever: | odd |
| [18:53:49] | clever: | now my nfs wont mount |
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| [18:56:07] | clever: | semi fixed |
| [18:57:06] | clever: | nfs-client needs to be installed |
| [18:57:16] | clever: | but nfs-common post-inst script locks up |
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| [19:08:12] | GreyFoxx: | Man, the video output of my xbox360 puts my frontend to shame |
| [19:08:26] | GreyFoxx: | and I was perfectly happy with the frontend output :) |
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| [19:10:28] | clever: | im still stuck with this thin client |
| [19:10:37] | clever: | the nfs-common package is locking up |
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| [19:10:53] | clever: | and without that i cant get the rest of the nfs mounts |
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| [19:15:01] | hexxington: | GreyFoxx, so when's someone gonna fix upnp serving to the eggsbox then? :) |
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| [19:19:52] | GreyFoxx: | that's why I'm looking at it |
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| [19:20:11] | hexxington: | woo! |
| [19:20:24] | GreyFoxx: | now that the xbox can play divx/xvid it's a viable option as a media player |
| [19:20:35] | hexxington: | i wonder if the 360 is happier about things like ac3 in mpeg2-ts |
| [19:20:36] | GreyFoxx: | though I don't see it as being an option for recordings yet |
| [19:20:37] | hexxington: | than the ps3 |
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| [19:20:58] | GreyFoxx: | so far the xbox has failed to "see" any mpg I've asked it to play |
| [19:21:03] | GreyFoxx: | even via usbstick |
| [19:21:16] | GreyFoxx: | but I haven't dug far enough into thatyet |
| [19:21:58] | GreyFoxx: | I'd love to be able to have music/video/recordings working before 0.21 feature freeze |
| [19:22:00] | hexxington: | hm, i haven't managed to get that far |
| [19:22:14] | hexxington: | the ps3 impressed me by Just Working with most (but not all) my recordings |
| [19:22:29] | hexxington: | but i wish it supported less mainstream codecs |
| [19:22:51] | hexxington: | i mean, for christ's sake, sony have sold tens of millions of games which include libvorbis, so why not include vorbis support on the ps3? :( |
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| [19:42:40] | _matt_: | i've installed mythbuntu and replaced my wintv go-plus with a wintv pvr 150 w/ remote video is perfect now but i cant get the remote to work, i ran the configure thing from mythbuntu control center and it still does not work |
| [19:42:42] | _matt_: | any ideas? |
| [19:43:09] | _matt_: | lirc or what ever it is is installed |
| [19:43:41] | rhpot1991: | fire up a terminal and type irw |
| [19:43:52] | rhpot1991: | then hit some buttons on the remote, does it do anythign? |
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| [19:54:30] | \matt\: | damn internet went down ;[ |
| [19:54:37] | KaZeR: | brb |
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| [19:57:57] | \matt\: | my question about getting remote control to work still stands =[ |
| [19:58:07] | rhpot1991: | did you see my response? |
| [19:58:09] | \matt\: | haup pvr 150 |
| [19:58:14] | \matt\: | the irw? |
| [19:58:16] | rhpot1991: | ya |
| [19:58:22] | \matt\: | could not connect |
| [19:58:27] | \matt\: | connect: Connection refused |
| [19:58:33] | \matt\: | tried sudo irw also |
| [19:58:41] | \matt\: | made not difference |
| [19:58:50] | \matt\: | lirc is running |
| [19:58:59] | \matt\: | root 5782 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 14:01 0:00 [lirc_dev] |
| [20:01:11] | justinh: | wtf? just seen a blimmin massive flash in the sky as I looked out the window. no noise at all. weird |
| [20:02:14] | \matt\: | will mythtv break if i update everything in update manager?? |
| [20:02:18] | \matt\: | *anything |
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| [20:02:22] | justinh: | it might |
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| [20:03:21] | justinh: | updating stuff will probably not make lirc work anyway |
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| [20:03:57] | justinh: | read your friendly local distro howto (not someone's random blog pages) for best results :) |
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| [20:06:24] | hexxington: | with wiki technology, what's the difference? |
| [20:07:37] | \matt\: | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Gutsy |
| [20:08:44] | \matt\: | that's what i just did |
| [20:09:29] | justinh: | I found it was a big breeze to set up lirc on gutsy following that guide |
| [20:10:00] | iamlindoro_: | And Gutsy Idiot-proofs most everything in the myth install now |
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| [20:10:17] | \matt\: | lol |
| [20:10:23] | \matt\: | perhaps i'm helpless |
| [20:14:28] | rhpot1991: | thats how I set mine up originally too |
| [20:14:37] | rhpot1991: | it sounds like you don't have configs correct cause irw is failing |
| [20:14:58] | iamlindoro_: | well, first thing's first, ls -al /dev/lirc* |
| [20:15:02] | bsdfox__: | \matt\: ls /dev/lirc* |
| [20:15:10] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [20:15:10] | \matt\: | k |
| [20:15:21] | \matt\: | crw-rw---- 1 root root 61, 0 2007-12–18 14:01 /dev/lirc0 |
| [20:15:21] | \matt\: | srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2007-12–18 14:01 /dev/lircd |
| [20:15:38] | bsdfox__: | does ubuntu have /etc/conf.d? |
| [20:15:40] | iamlindoro_: | mode2 -d /dev/lircd |
| [20:15:43] | iamlindoro_: | then press some buttons |
| [20:15:52] | justinh: | ubuntu has a /etc/lirc/hardware.conf |
| [20:16:04] | bsdfox__: | mode2 -d /dev/lirc0 |
| [20:16:13] | justinh: | you can also do sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc if you screwed up the initial setup part :) |
| [20:16:14] | iamlindoro_: | er, yes, 0 |
| [20:16:17] | \matt\: | i had to do mode2 -d /dev/lirc0 |
| [20:16:24] | bsdfox__: | that works though? |
| [20:16:26] | iamlindoro_: | any output from that? |
| [20:16:31] | \matt\: | let me check |
| [20:16:55] | \matt\: | no |
| [20:17:09] | justinh: | jees. another facking huge flash in the sky. silent again. what the blazes is going off over here?! |
| [20:17:36] | rhpot1991: | end of the world |
| [20:17:45] | iamlindoro_: | Daleks |
| [20:18:13] | justinh: | I can but hope :D |
| [20:18:25] | \matt\: | matt@mythtv-box:~$ sudo mode2 -d /dev/lirc0 |
| [20:18:25] | \matt\: | code: 0x1fbd |
| [20:18:27] | \matt\: | and nothign else |
| [20:18:41] | \matt\: | that code happened befor i even pressed anything |
| [20:19:54] | iamlindoro_: | What remote are you trying to use? |
| [20:20:07] | \matt\: | pvr 150 remote |
| [20:20:08] | iamlindoro_: | And you should probably pastebin your dmesg |
| [20:20:14] | iamlindoro_: | pastebin.ca |
| [20:20:40] | \matt\: | what should i grep? |
| [20:20:46] | iamlindoro_: | don't grep, just pastebin |
| [20:20:58] | \matt\: | ok |
| [20:21:24] | bsdfox__: | lsmod|grep lirc |
| [20:22:03] | \matt\: | matt@mythtv-box:~$ lsmod|grep lirc |
| [20:22:03] | \matt\: | lirc_i2c 13316 0 |
| [20:22:03] | \matt\: | lirc_atiusb 21552 0 |
| [20:22:03] | \matt\: | lirc_dev 18248 2 lirc_i2c,lirc_atiusb |
| [20:22:03] | \matt\: | i2c_core 30208 11 cx88xx,bttv,lirc_i2c,wm8775,cx25840,tuner,ivtv,i2c_algo_bit,nvidia,tveeprom,i2c_ nforce2 |
| [20:22:04] | \matt\: | usbcore 161584 7 lirc_atiusb,ati_remote,usb_storage,libusual,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd |
| [20:22:22] | iamlindoro_: | So you have two IR devices? |
| [20:22:29] | \matt\: | http://pastebin.ca/822559 |
| [20:22:33] | \matt\: | no |
| [20:22:36] | \matt\: | just one |
| [20:22:38] | \matt\: | oh shit |
| [20:22:39] | iamlindoro_: | why is ATI loaded? |
| [20:22:46] | \matt\: | i had my old usb still plugged in |
| [20:22:53] | bsdfox__: | lirc_i2c isn't a device |
| [20:23:10] | bsdfox__: | is it a usb IR receiver? |
| [20:23:27] | \matt\: | which one |
| [20:23:33] | \matt\: | the haup or ati? |
| [20:23:37] | iamlindoro_: | Your Dmesg shows you have an ATI USB receiver plugged in... |
| [20:23:45] | \matt\: | yes i just unplugged it |
| [20:24:00] | iamlindoro_: | So... you did set up with two devices, then?? |
| [20:24:04] | \matt\: | no |
| [20:24:07] | \matt\: | i didnt mean to |
| [20:24:13] | iamlindoro_: | no, or you didn't mean to?? |
| [20:24:15] | iamlindoro_: | argh |
| [20:24:22] | \matt\: | i just selected the pvr remote |
| [20:24:26] | \matt\: | i never selected anything with the ati |
| [20:24:33] | iamlindoro_: | that only relates to what lircd.conf gets loaded |
| [20:24:33] | \matt\: | so if it did install the ati it was automatic |
| [20:24:52] | bsdfox__: | auto module loading is probably turned on |
| [20:24:52] | \matt\: | i just unplugged the ati remote reciever |
| [20:25:00] | \matt\: | it was not an ir remote |
| [20:25:05] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, I would restart lircd now and try again, *without* the ati plugged in |
| [20:25:11] | iamlindoro_: | It doesn't *matter* if it's not IR |
| [20:25:17] | \matt\: | killall -hup lircd? |
| [20:25:27] | iamlindoro_: | That's a nasty way of doing it |
| [20:25:33] | iamlindoro_: | /etc/init.d/lircd restart |
| [20:26:53] | \matt\: | i'm on ubuntu and i'm a nub to linux ;[ |
| [20:27:04] | \matt\: | i have no /etc/init.d/lircd |
| [20:27:13] | iamlindoro_: | oh, it may be lirc |
| [20:27:16] | iamlindoro_: | rather than lircd |
| [20:27:47] | iamlindoro_: | then check what /dev/lirc* devices you have, then try mode2 again |
| [20:28:14] | justinh: | \matt\: /etc/init.d/lirc – you should have that |
| [20:28:37] | iamlindoro_: | For reference, had you pressed a button on the ATI remote why mode2'ing, you might have gotten something |
| [20:29:56] | iamlindoro_: | er while |
| [20:30:02] | \matt\: | still have lirc0 |
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| [20:30:10] | \matt\: | still shows the ati in the lsmod |
| [20:30:12] | bsdfox__: | mode2 -d /dev/lirc0 |
| [20:30:13] | \matt\: | should i reboot? |
| [20:30:22] | bsdfox__: | modprobe -r lirc_atiusb |
| [20:30:42] | iamlindoro_: | you *should* still have lirc0, lircd |
| [20:31:24] | \matt\: | did the modprob |
| [20:31:27] | \matt\: | restarted lircd |
| [20:31:28] | iamlindoro_: | then do mode2 as bsdfox recommends... we'll only reboot if necessary... it is linux after all |
| [20:31:31] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [20:31:32] | \matt\: | did the mode2 |
| [20:31:38] | \matt\: | no output |
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| [20:32:54] | iamlindoro_: | well, you can reboot if you want to try again... you problem has likely been cause by having both devices plugged in during lirc setup |
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| [20:32:59] | iamlindoro_: | er your |
| [20:33:11] | iamlindoro_: | caused |
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| [20:34:05] | \matt\: | ran the sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc again |
| [20:34:11] | \matt\: | still no output in mode2 |
| [20:34:18] | bsdfox__: | this is why I hate ubuntu :P |
| [20:34:21] | \matt\: | lol |
| [20:34:23] | \matt\: | sorry ;[ |
| [20:34:28] | iamlindoro_: | you're trying random stuff |
| [20:34:30] | iamlindoro_: | why? |
| [20:34:33] | \matt\: | i'm a nub i thought that was the easiest route |
| [20:34:40] | bsdfox__: | lsmod | grep lirc |
| [20:34:42] | \matt\: | you said the setup |
| [20:34:51] | bsdfox__: | I don't see any receiver in there besdies the atiusb |
| [20:34:58] | \matt\: | matt@mythtv-box:/etc/init.d$ lsmod | grep lirc |
| [20:34:58] | \matt\: | lirc_i2c 13316 0 |
| [20:34:58] | \matt\: | lirc_dev 18248 1 lirc_i2c |
| [20:34:58] | \matt\: | i2c_core 30208 11 cx88xx,bttv,lirc_i2c,wm8775,cx25840,tuner,ivtv,i2c_algo_bit,nvidia,tveeprom,i2c_ nforce2 |
| [20:35:26] | bsdfox__: | you probably don't have the right module installed/compiled |
| [20:35:32] | rhpot1991: | are you sure the wire is plugged all the way in, they have a piece cut out where it should fit on the top against the slots |
| [20:35:41] | bsdfox__: | but I have no idea what module your ir receiver uses, or how to compile stuff on ubuntu |
| [20:36:00] | iamlindoro_: | I think the non-mceusb remote uses lirc_i2c and lirc_dev, so he should be good |
| [20:36:01] | rhpot1991: | bsdfox__: its supposed to work out of the box |
| [20:36:24] | bsdfox__: | those are both just busses |
| [20:36:28] | iamlindoro_: | I say give 'er the ol' three-finger salute |
| [20:36:30] | bsdfox__: | lirc_serial is what I use |
| [20:37:03] | bsdfox__: | lirc_serial 11096 1 |
| [20:37:04] | bsdfox__: | lirc_dev 12488 1 lirc_serial |
| [20:37:23] | iamlindoro_: | I don't think that's right, I'm pretty sure lirc_i2c is the module for the PVR remote |
| [20:37:27] | \matt\: | in unplugged and replugged it back in |
| [20:37:32] | \matt\: | perhaps i didnt have it plugged in all the way |
| [20:37:36] | bsdfox__: | k |
| [20:37:39] | \matt\: | i now have output |
| [20:37:41] | \matt\: | with the mod2 |
| [20:37:43] | bsdfox__: | lol |
| [20:37:44] | iamlindoro_: | haha |
| [20:37:48] | \matt\: | i'm a dumb ass and a nub |
| [20:37:50] | \matt\: | lol |
| [20:37:56] | \matt\: | still no worky in mythtv though |
| [20:38:02] | rhpot1991: | thats not the first time I've seen that |
| [20:38:13] | \matt\: | i had to push it a lil harder lol |
| [20:38:17] | rhpot1991: | \matt\: did you set up an lircrc at some point? |
| [20:38:21] | iamlindoro_: | matt, have you installed an lircrc? |
| [20:38:31] | iamlindoro_: | matt, apt-get install mythbuntu-lirc-generator |
| [20:38:37] | \matt\: | i did that once |
| [20:38:40] | \matt\: | but i'll try it again |
| [20:38:54] | rhpot1991: | that or get the one from the ubuntu wiki |
| [20:39:00] | rhpot1991: | it works, but is slightly different |
| [20:39:16] | iamlindoro_: | plus, if you get mode2 output, we still need to check irw to check your lircd.conf |
| [20:39:28] | iamlindoro_: | first thing's first, run irw and press buttons and see if you get output |
| [20:41:25] | \matt\: | i uninstalled and reinstalled mythbuntu-lirc-generator but it says bash command not found. where is the script by default? |
| [20:41:36] | iamlindoro_: | matt, see above |
| [20:41:37] | iamlindoro_: | irw |
| [20:42:19] | \matt\: | oh sorry |
| [20:42:24] | \matt\: | irw connection refused |
| [20:42:45] | iamlindoro_: | sudo irw /dev/lircd |
| [20:42:53] | \matt\: | matt@mythtv-box:~$ sudo irw /dev/lirc0 |
| [20:42:53] | \matt\: | connect: Connection refused |
| [20:42:54] | \matt\: | k |
| [20:43:01] | iamlindoro_: | d, not 0 |
| [20:43:05] | \matt\: | matt@mythtv-box:~$ sudo irw /dev/lircd |
| [20:43:05] | \matt\: | connect: Connection refused |
| [20:44:14] | iamlindoro_: | hmm, dunno what congealed stuff is in there after all the shenanigans... I'd restart the system and try irw again |
| [20:44:39] | \matt\: | k |
| [20:44:40] | \matt\: | brb |
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| [20:46:52] | iamlindoro_: | what a disaster |
| [20:47:04] | iamlindoro_: | I'm having him rm -rf / when he gets back |
| [20:47:22] | clever: | my main prolem right now is nfs-common hanging when starting |
| [20:47:32] | rhpot1991: | hah |
| [20:47:35] | clever: | which causes it to take forever to reach rc.local and start up the frontend |
| [20:47:54] | justinh: | no portmap huh? ;) |
| [20:48:18] | clever: | just before that is an error about portmap allready being started |
| [20:48:32] | clever: | because the root is on nfs |
| [20:49:05] | rhpot1991: | iamlindoro_: someone in #ubuntu-mythtv was having a similar problem the other day and I don't think they ever got it worked out |
| [20:49:15] | clever: | and since i switched to the kernel mode nfs server my uid mapings have all been f'ed up |
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| [20:49:31] | iamlindoro_: | rhpot1991, you make a good point... he should have been pointed at the mythbuntu channel in the first place ;) |
| [20:49:33] | clever: | so usernames no longer match on either side of the server/client |
| [20:49:43] | rhpot1991: | I'm wondering if he is the same person |
| [20:50:22] | rhpot1991: | I seem to recall that person had messed with the lirc files by hand and then MCC didn't seem to be overwriting them |
| [20:50:26] | iamlindoro_: | Think justinh mentioned going over to #mythtv-fromscratch the other day |
| [20:50:46] | iamlindoro_: | ugh, yuck |
| [20:51:19] | iamlindoro_: | He seems painfully close now, though... I do so love to basically annotate howtos in the channel |
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| [20:52:26] | \matt\: | still a no go in irw |
| [20:52:58] | rhpot1991: | is this a fresh install of lirc or was it running something else before? |
| [20:53:02] | iamlindoro_: | still connection refused? |
| [20:53:09] | \matt\: | still connection refused |
| [20:53:18] | \matt\: | this is a fresh install of mythbuntu |
| [20:53:26] | \matt\: | everything is new |
| [20:53:26] | iamlindoro_: | not fresh enough, heh |
| [20:53:37] | justinh: | have you messed with any of the config files in /etc/lirc yourself? |
| [20:53:37] | \matt\: | should i install again? |
| [20:53:38] | \matt\: | lol |
| [20:53:45] | \matt\: | no i have not |
| [20:53:54] | justinh: | mythbuntu has a natty control center (sic) for lirc |
| [20:54:05] | justinh: | I'd expect it to do what it says on the tin |
| [20:54:27] | rhpot1991: | did anyone have him check to make sure all the files for lirc are there? |
| [20:55:38] | iamlindoro_: | Not I |
| [20:55:53] | rhpot1991: | pastebin your /etc/lirc/hardware.conf |
| [20:57:27] | \matt\: | http://pastebin.ca/822610 |
| [20:59:23] | rhpot1991: | do you have a /usr/share/lirc/remotes/hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge |
| [20:59:41] | \matt\: | yes |
| [21:00:17] | \matt\: | matt@mythtv-box:~$ ls -al /usr/share/lirc/remotes/hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge |
| [21:00:18] | \matt\: | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10037 2005-10–05 16:28 /usr/share/lirc/remotes/hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge |
| [21:00:18] | \matt\: | matt@mythtv-box:~$ |
| [21:00:32] | iamlindoro_: | hmmm.. |
| [21:00:35] | iamlindoro_: | try this |
| [21:00:43] | iamlindoro_: | /etc/init.d/lirc stop |
| [21:01:09] | rhpot1991: | he might need to lirc reload |
| [21:01:12] | iamlindoro_: | lircd --device=/dev/lirc0 --driver=default |
| [21:01:16] | iamlindoro_: | then open another terminal |
| [21:01:18] | rhpot1991: | though I would guess it would have done that on boot |
| [21:01:47] | iamlindoro_: | and try irw |
| [21:02:17] | iamlindoro_: | may need to sudo all of the above |
| [21:02:44] | \matt\: | matt@mythtv-box:~$ sudo irw /dev/lirc0 |
| [21:02:44] | \matt\: | connect: Connection refused |
| [21:03:03] | rhpot1991: | just do irw if you did the lircd line |
| [21:03:03] | iamlindoro_: | and that's having run lircd manually? |
| [21:03:05] | \matt\: | matt@mythtv-box:~$ sudo irw /dev/lircd |
| [21:03:05] | \matt\: | 00000000000017a0 00 Ch+ Hauppauge_350 |
| [21:03:10] | iamlindoro_: | hahahahahaha |
| [21:03:12] | iamlindoro_: | I rule |
| [21:03:31] | \matt\: | nice =] |
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| [21:04:13] | iamlindoro_: | sounds like we might need to tweak the init script a bit |
| [21:04:25] | \matt\: | where you live? i owe you a beer |
| [21:04:29] | \matt\: | ;] |
| [21:04:43] | iamlindoro_: | Not near either carolina ;) |
| [21:04:48] | \matt\: | ;] |
| [21:04:50] | \matt\: | ack |
| [21:04:51] | \matt\: | ;[ |
| [21:05:05] | \matt\: | what do i need to tweak now? |
| [21:05:20] | \matt\: | change device to lircd instead of lirc0 ? |
| [21:05:35] | \matt\: | in the /etc/lirc/hardware.conf ? |
| [21:05:46] | iamlindoro_: | no no |
| [21:05:54] | rhpot1991: | there is no device in the hardware |
| [21:06:14] | \matt\: | k, what do i need to do i dont wanna break it |
| [21:06:14] | \matt\: | lol |
| [21:06:30] | iamlindoro_: | Not entirely certain why the defaul init script isn't working, actually... shouldn't be much different than starting it manually |
| [21:07:04] | iamlindoro_: | is there an lircd option to lock the device, I wonder? |
| [21:07:14] | rhpot1991: | it might not hurt to try plopping that into the device, then reloading |
| [21:07:28] | \matt\: | put lirc0 in device? |
| [21:07:29] | rhpot1991: | iamlindoro_: hardware.config |
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| [21:07:55] | \matt\: | it says it checks /dev/lirc/0 and something else but not /dev/lirc0 |
| [21:08:01] | \matt\: | not sure if they're the same thing |
| [21:08:16] | rhpot1991: | default is to let it find itself |
| [21:08:28] | rhpot1991: | but you can try it in there and see how it works |
| [21:08:43] | rhpot1991: | modify that then sudo /etc/init.d/lirc reload |
| [21:08:56] | iamlindoro_: | make sure to kill the lircd you started manually first |
| [21:08:56] | \matt\: | DEVICE="/dev/lirc0"?/dev/lirc0 |
| [21:08:57] | rhpot1991: | then sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart |
| [21:08:59] | rhpot1991: | for the heck of it |
| [21:09:17] | \matt\: | ack |
| [21:09:21] | \matt\: | DEVICE="/dev/lirc0" |
| [21:09:23] | \matt\: | right ? |
| [21:09:41] | rhpot1991: | ya |
| [21:10:50] | \matt\: | ok |
| [21:10:56] | \matt\: | i edited the hardware.conf |
| [21:11:02] | \matt\: | did the reload and restart |
| [21:11:09] | \matt\: | should i reboot to see if it will still work? |
| [21:11:28] | iamlindoro_: | ps -aux |grep lircd |
| [21:11:47] | iamlindoro_: | So we can see what options it passed at the command line |
| [21:12:02] | rhpot1991: | shouldn't need to reboot |
| [21:12:10] | \matt\: | root 7877 0.0 0.0 15800 600 ? Ss 16:10 0:00 /usr/sbin/lircd --device=/dev/lirc0 |
| [21:12:19] | iamlindoro_: | try irw |
| [21:12:22] | \matt\: | i did |
| [21:12:23] | \matt\: | it worked |
| [21:12:26] | rhpot1991: | nice |
| [21:12:26] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [21:12:46] | \matt\: | k, im going to reboot to see if it will still work |
| [21:12:56] | \matt\: | you guy's are awsome =] |
| [21:12:58] | iamlindoro_: | NOW dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-lirc-blahblahblah |
| [21:13:09] | \matt\: | the buttons seemed to work |
| [21:13:17] | \matt\: | when i tested the front end |
| [21:13:19] | iamlindoro_: | ok |
| [21:13:25] | iamlindoro_: | then you are probably completely set |
| [21:13:35] | \matt\: | i got guide , up and down n stuff worked |
| [21:13:36] | iamlindoro_: | I'll give it 90–10 odd it'll survive a reboot |
| [21:13:41] | iamlindoro_: | er odds |
| [21:13:47] | \matt\: | lol |
| [21:13:48] | rhpot1991: | no reason it shouldn't |
| [21:13:49] | iamlindoro_: | but feel free to try |
| [21:13:53] | \matt\: | i am an idiot so |
| [21:13:56] | \matt\: | i have my doubts |
| [21:13:57] | rhpot1991: | this isn't windows after all |
| [21:13:57] | \matt\: | lol |
| [21:14:05] | \matt\: | brb |
| [21:14:10] | rhpot1991: | no need for random reboots to make things happen |
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| [21:14:30] | iamlindoro_: | rhpot1991, can never discount the human element in linux failures ;) |
| [21:14:53] | iamlindoro_: | Hehe, I remember the first time I got lirc working properly I went WEEKS without a reboot for fear I had screwed it up with my tinkering |
| [21:15:03] | rhpot1991: | heh |
| [21:15:13] | rhpot1991: | I remember the days of setting up lirc by hand |
| [21:15:23] | rhpot1991: | I'm still running on that actually |
| [21:15:38] | rhpot1991: | said whats this new fangled MCC and why is it doing things that can take me days to do? |
| [21:16:25] | iamlindoro_: | Haha |
| [21:16:52] | iamlindoro_: | Well, I've built it time and again since, but I do beleive I'm using at least the same lircd.conf and lircrc from that first system... no reason to throw out good work |
| [21:17:56] | iamlindoro_: | scary to think what having a few receivers plugged in at install will do to an otherwise vanilla lirc setup |
| [21:18:15] | iamlindoro_: | because, by all acounts, it *should* have worked regardless |
| [21:18:37] | gbee: | ahh, Mandriva, love of my life |
| [21:18:42] | rhpot1991: | ya |
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| [21:19:14] | iamlindoro_: | Heh... I remember buying Mandrake from Border's during College |
| [21:19:19] | _matt_: | survived reboot! |
| [21:19:25] | _matt_: | thanks guys =] |
| [21:19:31] | iamlindoro_: | glad it's all set |
| [21:19:35] | _matt_: | me too |
| [21:19:59] | iamlindoro_: | You're probably over the hump now... lirc is usually the toughest part for a new user |
| [21:20:07] | _matt_: | is there a free alternative to schedulesdirect? |
| [21:20:13] | gbee: | time to install Mandriva 2008 on new laptop and get all hardware working ~35 minutes, time to install Ubuntu and get hardware working ~1day 8 hours and then I gave up to try Mandriva |
| [21:20:29] | _matt_: | lol |
| [21:20:57] | iamlindoro_: | matt, every SD subscription directly goes to supporting mythTV... and $20 a year is CHEAP! |
| [21:21:20] | _matt_: | oh does it? |
| [21:21:26] | _matt_: | i didnt realize |
| [21:21:33] | _matt_: | i'll gladly pay =] |
| [21:21:36] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: heh, wish that was the case, there is no profit margin so nothing goes to mythtv atm |
| [21:21:41] | _matt_: | no shit |
| [21:21:47] | _matt_: | my question still stands |
| [21:21:48] | _matt_: | lol |
| [21:22:15] | bsdfox__: | _matt_: no good ones |
| [21:22:22] | bsdfox__: | just pay for SD, it's well worth it |
| [21:22:25] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, true, but at least having the direct interface with TMS allows for improved services down the line, etc... so I still think of it as benefiting Myth, albeit indirectly |
| [21:22:25] | _matt_: | word |
| [21:22:34] | bsdfox__: | tivo charges like $15/mo for the same crap |
| [21:22:41] | _matt_: | right on |
| [21:23:05] | _matt_: | k, time to move this box into the living room |
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| [21:23:25] | gbee: | well they might be making a profit by now, hasn't come up recently .... of course any profit has to be invested or given to a charity (FSF etc) |
| [21:24:12] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: yeah, it does benefit mythtv (at least for users in North America) through better ties with TMS |
| [21:24:27] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, yeah, exactly |
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| [21:25:27] | iamlindoro_: | may be just a tiny bit of me resenting that people need every last freaking thing free, too :) |
| [21:27:32] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: gets to me now and then, but a few deep breaths or maybe a long rant and I calm down and get back to work ;) |
| [21:27:35] | bsdfox__: | I believe some of the profits will go towards developing mythtv when they start making money |
| [21:27:44] | iamlindoro_: | hehe |
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| [21:29:03] | gbee: | bsdfox__: hard to see how that will work, who gets the money? All devs? Proportional to the amount of code committed? Only devs active in the last 6 months or everyone that has contributed over the last six years? |
| [21:29:39] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm... could just make it going forward, and set it up as "bounties" prioritized by the core dev team |
| [21:29:50] | mkrufky: | SD funds support mythtv?? i had no idea |
| [21:30:12] | mkrufky: | i think it's cheap enough anyway, and already i am more than happy to pay this price for it |
| [21:30:24] | mkrufky: | knowing that that ca$h helps to support myth is an added bonus |
| [21:30:24] | gbee: | Devs who work on specific tasks? Could breed resentment, I mean who is to say one devs contribution is less important that another |
| [21:31:07] | mkrufky: | oh, ok... looks like i misunderstood |
| [21:31:19] | gbee: | mkrufky: doesn't help yet, possibly in the future, but it's a tricky subject |
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| [21:31:26] | mkrufky: | gbee: i fully understand |
| [21:31:38] | mkrufky: | gbee: it's almost impossible to divvy that up evenly |
| [21:31:57] | mkrufky: | gbee: i am a large (indirect) contributor to mythtv — but i dont touch that code persay |
| [21:32:02] | mkrufky: | i just write the drivers |
| [21:32:08] | mkrufky: | but i dont want cash anyway :-D |
| [21:33:01] | iamlindoro_: | speaking of which, mkrufky, how's the whole HVR-1800 thing going? |
| [21:33:03] | mkrufky: | people have offered to donate money to v4l / dvb development, and i have refused for this same exact reason — added complexity and confusion. i prefer to contribute because its something that i enjoy doing |
| [21:33:15] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro_: its going well — what do you want to know? |
| [21:33:34] | mkrufky: | digital is fully supported, support will be included in 2.6.24 |
| [21:33:39] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm, just noted when you first mentioned it a while back that it was a sexy little card-- |
| [21:33:41] | iamlindoro_: | ah, there you go |
| [21:33:42] | mkrufky: | both VSB AND QAM |
| [21:33:46] | iamlindoro_: | exactly what I would have asked :) |
| [21:33:49] | mkrufky: | cool |
| [21:33:56] | iamlindoro_: | Analog still a WIP? |
| [21:33:58] | mkrufky: | analog support is not in the public tree yet |
| [21:34:02] | mkrufky: | yeah, WIP |
| [21:34:11] | gbee: | I'm no longer sure where I stand on the subject, I do it because I enjoy it and I benefit from it just as much as others, I don't like the idea of bounties – want to pay me? Then pay me the going rate, not $10 here and $20 there |
| [21:34:23] | mkrufky: | hvr1500 works now, too ... as of last night :-D |
| [21:34:44] | gbee: | I don't object to donations for work I've already done, but that's only after a recent change of heart |
| [21:34:50] | iamlindoro_: | Cool--- bear any resemblance to the 1600 that everyone always bitches about? |
| [21:35:10] | mkrufky: | gbee: i agree... whenever somebody wants to pay me for a project, i give them an estimate based on "going rate" and an estimated amount of hours |
| [21:35:23] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro_: hehe... no |
| [21:35:35] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro_:hvr1500 is more like the 1800, but VSB-only |
| [21:35:36] | iamlindoro_: | Sorry, wires crossed, I meant the analog side on the 1800 vs 1600 |
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| [21:36:02] | mkrufky: | looks like 1600 analog support will be released to the public before 1600 digital |
| [21:36:13] | mkrufky: | and probably 1600 analog support will be before 1800 analog |
| [21:36:26] | mkrufky: | in other words, 1600 analog is almost ready |
| [21:36:33] | iamlindoro_: | Probably for the best, since most people are getting 1600s in lieu of 150s anyway |
| [21:36:40] | mkrufky: | yeah, exactly |
| [21:37:07] | gbee: | mythtv has cost me money at times, in terms of hardware and attendance at Linux events in the UK to show mythtv to a wider audience |
| [21:37:19] | mkrufky: | right now i am working on tuner drivers for new cards that wont even be released till next year |
| [21:37:35] | mkrufky: | ...but this way, when those cards *are* available, they'll be much easier and quicker to bring up |
| [21:37:54] | iamlindoro_: | Nice! Would love to get a crack at one of the theoretical mpeg-4 encoder analog cards |
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| [21:38:02] | gbee: | not money that I was unwilling to spend at the time, but if donations help to cover those costs then I'll be able to do it more frequently in the future which benefits the project |
| [21:38:05] | mkrufky: | gbee: maintaining a central fund to pay for such expenses wouldnt be such a bad idea |
| [21:38:10] | mkrufky: | exactly :-) |
| [21:38:28] | iamlindoro_: | Any word on any of those actually being released? (MP4/x.264 encoder tuners?) |
| [21:38:35] | fryfrog: | wow, a "pvr150" that does mpeg4? |
| [21:38:41] | mkrufky: | nobody said that |
| [21:38:53] | iamlindoro_: | I've read the info on the reference design, but never seen anything on an actual "in the wild" card |
| [21:38:54] | fryfrog: | oh, just that that would be neat |
| [21:38:56] | hexxington: | you can buy a usb attached card to do that already |
| [21:39:12] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro_: which reference design? |
| [21:39:20] | gbee: | that works in linux? |
| [21:39:21] | iamlindoro_: | The *encoders* exist, but I've never seen a linux-supported *tuner*/encoder |
| [21:39:35] | iamlindoro_: | mkrufky, let me see if I can dig it up |
| [21:39:40] | mkrufky: | linux supported h264 tuner / encoder, you mean... right? |
| [21:39:42] | hexxington: | i dunno what the hell you yanks want out of a tuner anyway |
| [21:39:50] | iamlindoro_: | right |
| [21:40:18] | hexxington: | half the time it's unencrypted HD, the rest of the time an FBI hit squad will kill you for using it via an open-source app |
| [21:40:21] | gbee: | actually encoding isn't really an interesting subject here in the UK, we're getting the streams in mpeg2/4, decoding is more important |
| [21:40:59] | iamlindoro_: | Something like this for the US would be awful nice: http://www.iodata.com/usa/products/products.p . . . V-MVP%2FGX2W |
| [21:41:01] | mkrufky: | fbi -> open source... such delusions! |
| [21:41:28] | iamlindoro_: | hexxington, if I could get *half* my Hd unencrypted, it would be a miracle |
| [21:41:43] | gbee: | unless you want to horde thousands of hours of recordings which you'll never watch, then compressing recordings down to mp4 isn't that important |
| [21:41:48] | iamlindoro_: | most americans get network TV at best unencrypted, all the while paying for 30 HD channels |
| [21:41:54] | mkrufky: | ugh, that vixs chip |
| [21:42:00] | mkrufky: | ive seen a few cards with that on it |
| [21:42:21] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, It wouldn't bother me to be able to get proportionately better quality at the same bitrate, though |
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| [21:43:06] | fryfrog: | yeah, if for the same price i could get a pvr150 that does mpeg2 or one that does mpeg4... may as well do mpeg4 |
| [21:43:19] | fryfrog: | or an hd card that does mpeg2 vs. x/h264... may as well! |
| [21:43:29] | fryfrog: | but i spose an HD card doing that is *way* unlikely |
| [21:44:10] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: unless you are talking about transmission, then it's just about storage and that's relatively cheap, unless, as I say you want to store a lot of recordings that you'd have to spent all day, every day for two weeks to watch |
| [21:44:12] | mkrufky: | actually.... HD cards dont "do" mpeg2 nor mpeg4 |
| [21:44:24] | mkrufky: | the digital tuner cards just pick up the data stream |
| [21:44:25] | fryfrog: | true, they just dump the stream |
| [21:44:44] | mkrufky: | the broadcaster can stick h264 in their stream if they like |
| [21:44:54] | fryfrog: | actually, what i'd love is a linux supported cable card device |
| [21:44:57] | hexxington: | they do! HD in europe is h264 |
| [21:44:57] | mkrufky: | but... not here in the USA — its not allowed (yet) |
| [21:45:06] | mkrufky: | hexxington: exactly |
| [21:45:10] | fryfrog: | i'd pay my cable co for a cable card and for the sub, just to have a pci cable card, hd/sd device :/ |
| [21:45:35] | Dibblah: | fryfrog: You pirate, you! ;) |
| [21:45:37] | mkrufky: | fryfrog: and the chances of linux support for such a device : slim to none |
| [21:45:58] | fryfrog: | i think more like none to negative 1 :p |
| [21:46:08] | mkrufky: | the spec requires that the stream is encrypted and guaranteed to stay encrypted the entire pathway up thru the display device |
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| [21:46:23] | mkrufky: | ...or something like that |
| [21:46:25] | hexxington: | load of balls, tbh |
| [21:46:26] | Dibblah: | Yup. And never stored unencrypted. |
| [21:46:27] | fryfrog: | yar :( |
| [21:46:51] | fryfrog: | I wonder what would happen if some super dev got ahold of a cable card device meant for windows and... made happy all over it? |
| [21:47:01] | mkrufky: | tbh, id be just as happy if i could record encrypted streams to disk using myth, and if they only get decoded in the display device during playback |
| [21:47:03] | Dibblah: | Wouldn't work. |
| [21:47:17] | Dibblah: | Firstly, because cablecards are revokable. |
| [21:47:17] | hexxington: | fryfrog, trust chains don't work like that |
| [21:47:23] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [21:47:40] | fryfrog: | yeah, i guess i'd also be okay with encrypted on disk, decrypted by display |
| [21:47:44] | fryfrog: | not that mine would do that :/ |
| [21:48:15] | mkrufky: | anyway,. not gonna happen anytime soon, if ever at all :-( |
| [21:49:04] | Dibblah: | Even CAMs are a bit of a fight for certain encryptions :( |
| [21:49:33] | blizzow: | I'm trying to enable the network remote control and port 6546 is not opening. First, I tried to do it through the frontend. Then, I went into the myth database and cannot find any tables for the NetworkRemoteControl or NetworkControlEnabled. Anyone have a suggestion on how to fix this? |
| [21:49:47] | Dibblah: | Not even available for Videoguard... |
| [21:50:00] | dserban: | HD scares me... cuz it confuses the market like a mofo... |
| [21:50:09] | dserban: | All for what...? some extra pixels? meh |
| [21:50:15] | Dibblah: | blizzow: Do it through the frontend. |
| [21:50:22] | fryfrog: | dserban: have you seen a good show in HD? |
| [21:50:23] | iamlindoro_: | Those extra pixels look awful good |
| [21:50:25] | blizzow: | Dibbla, I tried that. |
| [21:50:35] | fryfrog: | the difference is... jaw dropping. |
| [21:50:36] | Dibblah: | blizzow: And...? |
| [21:50:51] | blizzow: | I check the enable remote control box. and nothing happens. |
| [21:50:52] | fryfrog: | The Planet Earth series on ?Discovery HD? is just beautiful |
| [21:51:05] | blizzow: | The port does not open. |
| [21:51:08] | dserban: | fryfrog, nah, don't have the connections or the hardware.... but seriously... it's just a moving picture... for me... it's like 128k mp3's vs 256k's... difference is noticeable, but ... who cares? |
| [21:51:16] | mkrufky: | dserban obviously has not seen HDTV |
| [21:51:19] | gbee: | have to say that until the other week I was sceptical about HD, but it really is amazing with nature stuff |
| [21:51:23] | dserban: | heh |
| [21:51:24] | dserban: | nope |
| [21:51:29] | Dibblah: | blizzow: When you return to that page, is the tickbox still ticked? |
| [21:51:29] | mkrufky: | omg, its so much better |
| [21:51:31] | fryfrog: | dserban: don't knock it until you see :) |
| [21:51:41] | mkrufky: | i never used to watch tv |
| [21:51:49] | mkrufky: | then i got involved in HD capture drivers |
| [21:51:54] | mkrufky: | and bought an HDTV |
| [21:51:57] | dserban: | BUT .. I only hate it because it's a way to screw us.... more copy protection... more limitations etc... |
| [21:51:57] | mkrufky: | and not im a videophile |
| [21:51:58] | fryfrog: | i hardly have any desire to watch SD shows. :) |
| [21:52:01] | mkrufky: | s/not/now |
| [21:52:23] | blizzow: | Dibblah: yes. |
| [21:52:23] | mkrufky: | oh, dserban you dont mean, "HD" you mean "DIGITAL" |
| [21:52:36] | Dibblah: | blizzow: And you restarted the frontend? |
| [21:52:38] | dserban: | mkrufky, indeed I stand corrected. |
| [21:52:38] | mkrufky: | they can put that same restrictions on SD digital |
| [21:52:41] | mkrufky: | :-) |
| [21:52:50] | fryfrog: | DRM sucks :/ |
| [21:52:56] | mkrufky: | so does email |
| [21:52:59] | Dibblah: | blizzow: Is this a self-compiled version, or a package? |
| [21:53:01] | dserban: | yeah, I know... it just saddens me... drm is so effin' lame... |
| [21:53:01] | fryfrog: | i can't imagine anyone but RIAA/MPAA/etc arguing *for* it :) |
| [21:53:03] | mkrufky: | whomever invented those two should be shot |
| [21:53:06] | gbee: | he doesn't mean either – HD and digital in the UK are not associated with copy protection, far from it |
| [21:53:13] | iamlindoro_: | 640k of RAM should be enough for anyone |
| [21:53:18] | dserban: | lol |
| [21:53:25] | Dibblah: | gbee: Yes, they are. |
| [21:53:27] | hexxington: | gbee, IME, cartoons are where HD counts |
| [21:53:41] | Dibblah: | Where can you get OTA HD? |
| [21:53:43] | blizzow: | Dibblah: mythbuntu. |
| [21:53:47] | Dibblah: | Apart from the BBC test channel. |
| [21:53:48] | hexxington: | Dibblah, from astra2d |
| [21:54:00] | gbee: | Dibblah: FreeSat |
| [21:54:08] | hexxington: | 10847 V tp 50 |
| [21:54:11] | gbee: | unencrypted, BBC HD |
| [21:54:19] | mkrufky: | Dibblah: OTA HD available here in the states |
| [21:54:24] | gbee: | or so I'm told |
| [21:54:31] | dserban: | well I love myth, and at any point when I can't use it because my providers are a bunch of money hungry fruity sony/microsoft knob gobblers... then I quit watching _anything_ :) |
| [21:54:36] | hexxington: | gbee, your cpu isn't fast enough to WATCH it, mind |
| [21:55:03] | gbee: | hexxington: heh, no, unless I transcode it to mpeg4 |
| [21:55:04] | Dibblah: | gbee: That's one single channel. :( |
| [21:55:48] | hexxington: | gbee, it's already mpeg4! part 10! |
| [21:55:59] | hexxington: | Dibblah, yeah, which is about half what you get from sky hd! |
| [21:56:07] | gbee: | Dibblah: doesn't change my point which is that HD and Digital do not mandate encryption, DRM and limitations |
| [21:56:09] | hexxington: | Dibblah, it's the entireity of the good bits of sky hd :p |
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| [21:56:31] | Dibblah: | They don't stateside either. |
| [21:56:41] | Dibblah: | From what I've heard. |
| [21:57:00] | gbee: | hexxington: well I obviously meant part 2 |
| [21:57:03] | mkrufky: | here, everything ATSC (in the air) is unencrypted |
| [21:57:07] | gbee: | :) |
| [21:57:23] | mkrufky: | on cable, whatever is also broadcast in the air, is available also on cable in HD unencrypted |
| [21:57:34] | mkrufky: | the premium content is usually encrypted (HBO, etc) |
| [21:57:51] | hexxington: | mkrufky, all but six channels on uk freeview are FTA |
| [21:58:04] | mkrufky: | ugh,. encryption in the air |
| [21:58:08] | mkrufky: | those f*ckers |
| [21:58:10] | gbee: | mkrufky: here everything on DVB-T is decrypted except for 3/4 channels which no-one watches anyway |
| [21:58:15] | hexxington: | mkrufky, seven, actually. it gets a bit fuzzy, as three of them are multi-stream "on demand" things |
| [21:58:27] | hexxington: | gbee, people watch television x! except that's not technically encrypted |
| [21:58:31] | mkrufky: | ah |
| [21:58:37] | mkrufky: | on demand in the air — thats cool! |
| [21:58:43] | gbee: | seven? hmm thought they'd killed off a few recently |
| [21:59:06] | gbee: | hexxington: wasn't counting that, since as you say, it's not encrypted |
| [21:59:36] | hexxington: | gbee, top-up anytime times three, setanta, uktv gold, and 2 others i'd need to check |
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| [22:00:17] | gbee: | not that I've seen many adverts at all since using mythtv, but I've not seen them pushing the pay channels much so I just assumed they would eventually die off |
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| [22:00:32] | hexxington: | uktv style |
| [22:00:51] | hexxington: | eurosport uk |
| [22:00:57] | hexxington: | there, that's the extra two |
| [22:00:58] | gbee: | uktv style? Oh dear, I better get out my credit card right away |
| [22:01:14] | ** hexxington is tempted to cancel his TUTV sub, he's sick of getting spam from them saying "BUY OUR STB!" ** | |
| [22:01:50] | gbee: | even UKTV Gold is a stretch since it's just repeats from 3+ years ago |
| [22:02:20] | gbee: | and I'm not a huge sports fan, so neither Setanta or Eurosport grab me |
| [22:02:45] | hexxington: | the wife demands gold, but reception here is diabolical, so most recordings fail |
| [22:03:10] | hexxington: | once we move, i'll get a dish installed. there are just as good a choice of reruns on hotbird 6 |
| [22:03:25] | gbee: | if I want on-demand content, then virgin media have that covered better than any other content provider (anyone compared Box Office to Flextech lately!!) |
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| [22:03:28] | Dibblah: | ...In Italian... |
| [22:04:33] | hexxington: | damn, you're right, i meant eutelsat 1 |
| [22:05:10] | Dibblah: | Ah, you prefer German. |
| [22:05:11] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [22:06:01] | gbee: | tried to use Sky Box Office recently, went down the (short) list of available films and half weren't even starting till mid week, we'd already missed the start of showings of the rest and what was left didn't start for 30 minutes |
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| [22:06:44] | gbee: | Virgin however, you got a huge choice, they start whenever you want and can be paused, rewound and fast forwarded |
| [22:07:08] | hexxington: | http://www.horrorchannel.co.uk/ |
| [22:07:18] | BULLE_: | fucks sake, i just read the first line gbee just entered |
| [22:07:26] | BULLE_: | "Virging however, you got a huge ..." |
| [22:07:30] | hexxington: | zomg, they even have bouff on there now! |
| [22:07:35] | BULLE_: | took me some time to realise it was about uk tv provider and not something else =D |
| [22:08:44] | gbee: | side by side Box Office comes pretty badly and together with Sky calling several times during the week to sell you some upgrade, STB extended warranty or other shite – it would be pretty hard to recommend the company |
| [22:09:16] | hexxington: | i would buy a sky sub in a heartbeat if they sold an NDS CAM |
| [22:10:49] | gbee: | hexxington: for the sport, or Sky one/two? |
| [22:11:22] | hexxington: | gbee, sky1, a lot of the general "background noise" channels like music or sci-fi. and more choice with hd |
| [22:11:32] | gbee: | because frankly, if neither is important to you, then Virgin Media represents much better value IMHO |
| [22:11:46] | hexxington: | gbee, virgin media won't sell to me either |
| [22:12:03] | hexxington: | gbee, they only sell to the drooling masses who want a set-top box to order them around |
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| [22:12:53] | gbee: | true, but in a theoretical world where both Sky and Virgin offered a CAM to customers, then I'd opt for Virgin |
| [22:13:13] | hexxington: | ... COMPETITION, in the marketplace? O_o |
| [22:13:30] | Dibblah: | Bah. At least Sky get the NIT right. |
| [22:13:34] | mkrufky: | these pay TV networks...... PLEASE tell me there are no commercials? |
| [22:13:38] | hexxington: | what do virgin use for their encripplement mechanism? |
| [22:13:49] | hexxington: | mkrufky, many times more commercials than the bbc |
| [22:13:50] | Dibblah: | mkrufky: Bwa. Hah. ha. ha. |
| [22:13:58] | hexxington: | mkrufky, roughly as bad as US TV |
| [22:14:01] | mkrufky: | what a rip-off |
| [22:14:01] | Dibblah: | hexxington: Infinitely, in fact. |
| [22:14:08] | gbee: | mkrufky: joking right? they've got more ads than the free network |
| [22:14:21] | hexxington: | mkrufky, nah, the rip off is the $100 a month fee |
| [22:14:25] | mkrufky: | ugh... then how do they justify charging you? |
| [22:14:30] | Dibblah: | hexxington: Allegedly, they use Nagravision. |
| [22:14:35] | mkrufky: | $100 / month!!!!! |
| [22:14:59] | mkrufky: | thats how much i pay for cable, along with hundreds of channels, plus HBO and Showtime, *and* internet |
| [22:15:05] | Dibblah: | That's for the top-tier all channels package. |
| [22:15:15] | mkrufky: | add $15 and get _all_ the premium channels in the package |
| [22:15:23] | Dibblah: | Except for porn, of course. |
| [22:15:40] | mkrufky: | (thats what the 'net is for) |
| [22:15:47] | Dibblah: | Which in the UK, REALLY REALLY is not worth subscribing to. Trust me ;) |
| [22:15:57] | Dibblah: | You get better on youtube. |
| [22:16:01] | mkrufky: | there is encrypted porn in the air ?? |
| [22:16:01] | Dibblah: | ... Allegedly. |
| [22:16:11] | hexxington: | it's unencrypted |
| [22:16:13] | Dibblah: | No, this is cable. |
| [22:16:16] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [22:16:17] | hexxington: | they use MHEG to mask it |
| [22:16:22] | mkrufky: | ok, then |
| [22:16:27] | Dibblah: | Oh, that's not porn. |
| [22:16:37] | hexxington: | disable MHEG in mythfrontend, and all the porntacular british porn is revealed |
| [22:16:47] | gbee: | mkrufky: I couldn't give an honest answer to that question of how they do it, without insulting a few people, but it helps if your idea of quality entertainment involves WWF wrestling, repeats of cheasy soaps and sometimes poor sci-fi |
| [22:16:54] | hexxington: | well. where "british porn" means "man looks at woman, everybody giggles a bit, the end" |
| [22:17:03] | mkrufky: | omg,thats appalling |
| [22:17:09] | mkrufky: | that kinda tv should be free |
| [22:17:14] | mkrufky: | commercials should pay for it |
| [22:17:24] | hexxington: | mkrufky, they do, for many channels |
| [22:17:36] | mkrufky: | lol, look at me the hippocrit with my mythtv commercial skip + transcoding |
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| [22:18:28] | gbee: | I don't rate Sky One at all – they carry maybe two quality shows a week that I might watch, the rest is repeats or repeats or the cheapest, nastiest TV you can imagine |
| [22:18:35] | hexxington: | mkrufky, "free to view" channels (i.e. which require a sky contract, but not a current subscription) are the worst |
| [22:18:45] | hexxington: | mkrufky, they rely on sky's encripplement platform, hence the lock-in |
| [22:18:56] | mkrufky: | ugh |
| [22:19:00] | gbee: | and lately they've been a small amount of the their good stuff free OTA on SKy Three anyway |
| [22:19:04] | hexxington: | mkrufky, at least one of the remaining 2 major uk channels which isn't unencrypted via satellite is switching in march |
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| [22:19:22] | hexxington: | mkrufky, i've not heard word on whether the last holdout is dropping the DRM |
| [22:19:28] | black_Nightmare_: | just curious about it but anyone used pcmcia tv tuner cards? |
| [22:19:40] | hexxington: | gbee, any idea whether sky3 and virgin1 have succeeded in pulling in punters for their respective platforms? |
| [22:20:22] | mkrufky: | black_Nightmare_: there are a bunch of supported saa713x-based cardbus cards |
| [22:20:27] | mkrufky: | i heard of a single cx88-based one |
| [22:20:39] | mkrufky: | and hauppauge makes some cx23885-based PCIe — expresscards |
| [22:20:59] | gbee: | hexxington: believe Virgin 1 has been doing well enough, though unlike Sky 3 it's not designed to pull in punters for VMs cable/STB offerings since Virgin 1 is their only homegrown entertainment channel right now |
| [22:21:00] | mkrufky: | two of which are supported as of last night, and a third (the pal / dvbt one) support coming soon |
| [22:21:26] | hexxington: | didn't they drop sky3 for a while? i lose track of these things |
| [22:21:38] | gbee: | got to say that I've been recording a few things off Virgin 1 recently, been a while since I could say the same for Sky Three |
| [22:22:15] | gbee: | hexxington: no, but Sky are proposing replacing it with pay channels on Freeview |
| [22:22:31] | black_Nightmare_: | mkrufky hmmm ever heard of Nogatech? |
| [22:22:40] | mkrufky: | yeah |
| [22:22:42] | hexxington: | gbee, i hope it's not those horrible low-res half-bitrate jobs TUTV are using |
| [22:22:55] | justinh: | I hope ofcom kybosh their plan |
| [22:22:59] | mkrufky: | black_Nightmare_: i heard of it, but dont recall anything about it |
| [22:23:04] | justinh: | they have enough of a pay-tv monopoly |
| [22:23:18] | gbee: | hexxington: proposals are for SD h264 encoded stuff, ~4 channels iirc |
| [22:23:36] | black_Nightmare_: | mkrufky I don't think I even need this (considering I already have two desktops with tv tuners themself aside to the conventional tv :p) but would this probably not be too bad to get for someone if they had wanted such thing for their laptop? http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-comput . . . dIdZ32411919 |
| [22:23:46] | justinh: | see the value there? yet another STB needed & yet more consumer confusion about digital TV in the UK |
| [22:23:50] | hexxington: | gbee, urgh, forcing anyone with an IDTV into the set-top box route. and STB means they can "forget" to make a generally supported CAM |
| [22:23:59] | hexxington: | it's like sky all over again. oh, wait |
| [22:24:17] | mkrufky: | looks like a trainwreck to me, black_Nightmare_ |
| [22:24:19] | mkrufky: | \lol |
| [22:24:24] | justinh: | oh yeah and still no 3rd party CAM available for it, so it'd be their STB or bust |
| [22:24:26] | mkrufky: | thats huge and bulky |
| [22:24:41] | hexxington: | i wouldn't hate sky if they just opened up to CAM use |
| [22:24:53] | justinh: | anyway my money is on freesat. as in not 'freesat from Sly' :) |
| [22:24:59] | mkrufky: | im used to cardbus cards that have the functionality INSIDE the laptop, noit a dongle that leads to the good stuff, and ugly at that |
| [22:25:15] | gbee: | hexxington: it's a stitch up and like justinh says, hopefully ofcom will reject the proposals – especially since there is nothing preventing people receiving SKy through a dish, it doesn't have the geographic limitations the same way cable does |
| [22:25:15] | black_Nightmare_: | mkrufly...well I know some people buy a laptop only because they just wanted something small on their desk (meaning: its battery rarely gets used much at all) |
| [22:25:18] | mkrufky: | then again, if you're limited to pcmcia (ancient technology) then i guess its ok |
| [22:25:20] | hexxington: | justinh, reckon more channels will drop NDS to appear on freesat? |
| [22:25:22] | justinh: | hexxington: channel four & five are going FTA on satellite eventually, hopefully sooner rather than later |
| [22:25:39] | hexxington: | justinh, ch4 are switching in march, i haven't heard concrete info on 5 |
| [22:25:51] | black_Nightmare_: | thanks anyhow mkrufky (and like I was saying..I don't even need that thing myself :p ) |
| [22:25:56] | justinh: | then when more FTA HDTV appears on dvb-s it'll be a great reason to ditch the aerial & get a dish |
| [22:26:09] | ** hexxington will do both for a while in his shiny new house ** | |
| [22:26:21] | hexxington: | i need to research diseqc switches |
| [22:26:36] | black_Nightmare_: | my one laptop I got...has an old video compression card for any time I somehow want to record some video to it directly (rather than through the desktops) anyhow |
| [22:26:41] | mkrufky: | black_Nightmare_: you'd have to find out what chipset is inside in order to determine whether or not its supported..... which i doubt. and surely that thing does not provide HD support |
| [22:26:45] | mkrufky: | s/HD/Digital |
| [22:29:43] | justinh: | hexxington: ofcom are planning some pretty nasty tricks to squeeze more channels into the existing digital spectrum. doesn't yet look like any analogue spectrum will be made available for TV, hd or otherwise :( |
| [22:30:09] | hexxington: | justinh, rumour has it, the result of public consultation was "use it for more SD DVB-T!". we shall see what happens |
| [22:30:10] | justinh: | hexxington: quattro LNB should do it :) |
| [22:30:20] | hexxington: | the idea of it being used for mobile phones makes me sick :| |
| [22:30:35] | justinh: | hexxington: according to one report, people want more freeview channels, not SD |
| [22:30:53] | hexxington: | justinh, one of us needs to document it. seriously, it;s a fucking joke right now, there's no useful info on using dvb-s in myth, nothing on what kit is needed, how to config it, etc |
| [22:30:57] | justinh: | it's pretty tied between mobile broadband, mobile TV & extra TV :( |
| [22:31:30] | justinh: | hexxington: O RLY?! ;) believe it or not there are a good few UK people using DVB-S. cagey buggers |
| [22:31:46] | hexxington: | justinh, docs, damnit, docs! |
| [22:32:17] | hexxington: | this info shouldn't be gleaned from guesswork and dreambox users |
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| [22:32:51] | black_Nightmare_: | mkrufky..just for the note..I'm on several (last few sometimes depends on weather heh) free air channel and have no plan to change at all so far (only workable alternative especially for on-road would be specific satellite service but that just seem expensive for my liking yet) |
| [22:32:56] | black_Nightmare_: | ;) |
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| [22:33:52] | justinh: | hexxington: but if they managed to get it worky ok, why document it? :P |
| [22:34:00] | hexxington: | GAH! |
| [22:34:05] | justinh: | exactly |
| [22:34:13] | ** hexxington will damn well document it when he has a house & can afford a dish ** | |
| [22:34:21] | justinh: | if it's not done by the time I have a dish I'll do it |
| [22:34:29] | justinh: | assuming I can get it worky :P |
| [22:34:31] | hexxington: | and i'll put it somewhere i generate ad revenue! take THAT, open source! |
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| [22:35:15] | justinh: | heh PPV documentation |
| [22:35:54] | justinh: | shouldn't make jokes like that. somebody'll be perverse enough to actually do it |
| [22:36:12] | iamlindoro_: | experts-exchange.com |
| [22:36:18] | hexxington: | iamlindoro_ wins! |
| [22:36:27] | iamlindoro_: | and even then, no guarantee that it's right ;) |
| [22:36:40] | hexxington: | yeah, pay per guess :| |
| [22:38:38] | ** black_Nightmare_ really hates some online circuit cookbooks >_< ** | |
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| [22:41:28] | black_Nightmare_: | why do some of these circuits seem to never be right? |
| [22:41:40] | black_Nightmare_: | (alak transformer blows out like too much already) |
| [22:48:47] | gbee: | was news to me that few transformers (non switched mode stuff) put out anything like their labelled voltage |
| [22:49:00] | justinh: | no load voltage :) |
| [22:50:02] | gbee: | justinh: well I'm not brave enough to risk blowing my components by trying them under load and hoping that they settle at the right point |
| [22:50:45] | gbee: | but electronics isn't my thing, so I'll shut up |
| [22:51:23] | justinh: | that's why voltage regulators were invented :) |
| [22:51:25] | black_Nightmare_: | well gbee...the issue here is that after using the circuit for a while sometimes the transformer goes out even although its properly rated to the circuit :/ |
| [22:51:56] | bsdfox__: | filter it |
| [22:51:56] | justinh: | black_Nightmare_: buy a decent quality one & fuse it at both ends |
| [22:52:00] | black_Nightmare_: | not having any problem with the lower-rate built similar circuit |
| [22:52:32] | gbee: | justinh: just makes me wonder why the regulator ends up in the circuit and not the transformer, but like I said, not a subject on which I know anything |
| [22:53:48] | gbee: | my interest extended only as far as building that IR Illuminator, maybe I'll play with it more in the future |
| [22:53:57] | black_Nightmare_: | sometimes I wonder if 15dBA verus 30dBA boost circuits means too much on transformers but hrm what do I really know yet |
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| [23:01:34] | mkrufky: | i have to get going, guys |
| [23:01:39] | mkrufky: | was nice chattin' |
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| [23:02:40] | black_Nightmare_: | well guess I'm going too |
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| [23:19:45] | xand: | er, can I get mythfrontend to zoom in on videos? this film i'm watching is in widescreen but shown in 4:3 mode so there's black bars on every side >.< |
| [23:19:48] | xand: | stupid itv2 |
| [23:20:33] | iamlindoro_: | M for menu while watching, and I think it's called "fill mode" or something like that |
| [23:21:03] | iamlindoro_: | I think it's third or so up from the bottom |
| [23:22:15] | xand: | thanks |
| [23:22:26] | iamlindoro_: | I think "w" may accomplish the same |
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| [23:22:56] | iamlindoro_: | no problem |
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| [23:32:12] | blizzow: | When I go into the video section and watch some mpeg and avi files, I get completely different interfaces...For some videos, the [ and ] keys act as volume. For other videos, they change the speed of the video. Can someone explain the cause? |
| [23:32:29] | iamlindoro_: | You probably have mplayer set as the player for some, and internal for others. |
| [23:33:22] | hexxington: | ^^ what iamlindoro said |
| [23:33:22] | iamlindoro_: | Utilities/Setup -> Setup -> Media Settings -> Video Settings Then look at file types (each of which can have its own player) and the player settings |
| [23:33:45] | iamlindoro_: | player settings will be your default, and then each file type can differ if you want it to |
| [23:33:51] | blizzow: | any recommendations regarding how it should be setup? |
| [23:34:06] | iamlindoro_: | if you want it to all be consistent, Put "Internal" without quotes, for everything |
| [23:34:47] | iamlindoro_: | or vice versa and put your mplayer line in |
| [23:34:56] | iamlindoro_: | it's a matter of taste, in general |
| [23:36:25] | justinh: | jees man if you're needing 30dB of amplification for an aerial, give up |
| [23:38:33] | iamlindoro_: | 30 dB of amplified noise, Mmmmmmm |
| [23:38:41] | hexxington: | it DOES work. just about |
| [23:38:55] | hexxington: | i need to use 2 high gain amplifiers to get a signal |
| [23:42:41] | justinh: | er.. two words. Bigger. Aerial |
| [23:43:40] | hexxington: | two more! rented. accommodation. |
| [23:44:06] | justinh: | ah |
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| [23:47:44] | mzb: | strangely enough, I'm trying to solve a reception issue atm |
| [23:48:08] | mzb: | I have an aerial (split several ways) that works really well for everything in the house |
| [23:48:29] | mzb: | but I've recently acquired another DVB tuner which refuses to work with the aerial |
| [23:48:47] | mzb: | at best, with the aerial that came with it, I get 30% |
| [23:49:15] | mzb: | even if I plug _only_ the tuner into the aerial (no splitter) it will not lock |
| [23:49:33] | mzb: | I'm starting to wonder if this tuner is UHF only (my aerial is VHF) |
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| [23:54:53] | mzb: | using my UHF "test aerial" (13cm? wire in a PAL plug) I get the same signal strength as the "real" antenna |
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| [23:55:06] | mzb: | time to open the box again |
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