Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, December 17th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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gbee:

mplayer? *shudder*

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iamlindoro:

kury, http://www.pastebin.ca/819484

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iamlindoro:

that's ~/.lircrc

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iamlindoro:

and my settings for mplayer, work well for me

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iamlindoro:

If you have something similar, then look to permissions

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kury:

do I have to pass the .lircrc file as a parameter or does it just know to look for it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Anyone here atm still running an X-Box as a frontend? If so, what linux distribution are you using? thanks...

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iamlindoro:

no, it looks for it automatically

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J-e-f-f-A:

kury: I think it looks in the user's home directory for .lircrc, which would be ~/.lircrc (assuming you're logged on as the ID you run the frontend as)

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kury:

ya.. its readable by all.. in the mythtv users homedir..

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kury:

the .lircrc file works for the mythfrontend... but not mplayer

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kury:

even when I try & run it manually

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anenigma:

mplayer compiled with lirc support?

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kury:

yup

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J-e-f-f-A:

kury: Compare yours to iamlindoro's file that he pastebin'd above... Maybe you typoed something...

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gbee:

kury: as I was here, did anyone ask why you need to use mplayer? I'm assuming you've got a good reason but ...

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iamlindoro:

and again, keep in mind that myth looks at ~/.mythtv/lircrc, and mplayer and others look at ~/.lircrc... note the different filenames and locations... then check permissions and for possible file corruption

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kury:

I'm just using mplayer because.. thats what I've used..... I'm not oposed to checking out something else though.. but yes it is the ~/.lircrc file.. I copied iamlindoro mplayer section into my .lircrc file and still no go

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kury:

do I need to restart the lircd?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kury: I just kicked off mplayer from a shell, and it looked for .lircrc in /home/mythtv/.lircrc (aka ~/.lircrc), then /etc/lircrc — (I don't have a receiver setup on my backend, so it didn't find either) -

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iamlindoro:

kury, mine will only work for you if you have the same remote

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iamlindoro:

and therefore same button names

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iamlindoro:

won't work at all if yours are different

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gbee:

kury: I asked because most people tend to assume you _need_ to use mplayer, xine or vlc with mythvideo but in fact mythtv has it's own internal media player that can handle 95% of the common video codecs and DVDs (including menus)

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kury:

humm... what about for mythvideo?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kury: It uses the internal player now. ;-)

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kury:

sweet.. OK so.. what remote do you have iamlindoro

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kury:

I have a hauppauge pvr 350 with the half gray/half black remote

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J-e-f-f-A:

kury: Just look at your key names defined in your lircd.conf

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J-e-f-f-A:

kury: And map them properly in your .lircrc

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gbee:

using an external media player with mythvideo or mythdvd isn't necessary any more and if I get time, it won't be necessary with mythgallery in 0.21 (maybe 0.22)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kury: So if your remote's key "1" is named "One" in your lircd.conf, you need to refer to it as "One" in your .lircrc ... pretty straightforward.

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momelod:

hello channel

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kury:

ya that's what I'm doing.. most of the keys look correct.. I didn't check all of them but 70+% of them match the names I have

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J-e-f-f-A:

momelod: channel's not here ... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kury: well, then those 70% should have worked already. Maybe you only tried keys in the other 30%? ;-)

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momelod:

can anyone help me diagnose a problem im having.. when watching live tv, if i send the Esc keypress via remote control or keyboard my mythfrontend crashes, and then i get back to the gdm login prompt

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kury:

na... I made sure & check the up/down/left/right & pause...... and those 5 are definatily right..

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momelod:

the last message i see in the mythfrontend log is: "2007-12–16 19:11:18.891 TV: Attempting to change from WatchingLiveTV to None"

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kury:

maybe I'm retarded... its working with a couple that I didn't try earlier... hang on..

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gbee:

momelod: what version are you running?

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gbee:

mythfrontend --version

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tom___:

is there any disadvantage to using mythvideo with totem as opposed to mplayer? try as I might mplayer just will not cooperate with my video card

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momelod:

Library API version : 0.20.20070821–1

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GreyFoxx:

what's totem?another video player ?

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momelod:

Source code version : 14283

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tom___:

GreyFoxx: yeah, it's installed by default in ubuntu

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momelod:

so no ideas why mythfrontend would crash on an esc char?

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gilligan__:

evening

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gbee:

momelod: no, not a known bug

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gilligan__:

hm..can someone tell me where mythvideo puts covers downloaded from imdb ? the script does succeed in obtaining information on the film and the edit view also displays a filename — but when i am in the gallery/play view no cover is displayed

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gbee:

momelod: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2

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gbee:

gilligan__: ~/.mythtv/MythVideo/

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momelod:

thanx

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gilligan__:

gbee, hm.. i have no such directory.. guess that explains why I am having problems

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gbee:

should be created automatically, could be a permissions problem

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gilligan__:

gbee, hm weird.. well all the other plugin subdirs were created

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J-e-f-f-A:

gilligan__: Maybe you changed it (accidentially?) – check the video settings, page 1 I think...

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gilligan__:

changed what accidentally?

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J-e-f-f-A:

gilligan__: The directory for your video/movie posters.

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gbee:

gilligan__: MythVideo Settings, General Settings, first page – now that I think about it, maybe ~/.mythtv/MythVideo isn't the default

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J-e-f-f-A:

gilligan__: I say that because I moved mine on purpose to keep the videos and their posters on a seperate disk than my normal myth recordings.

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k-man__:

how can i find out the bitrate of DVB-HD transmissions in australia?

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GreyFoxx:

k-man__: That stuff varies from show to show

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k-man__:

i mean data rate of the compressed stream

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GreyFoxx:

It's not a constant bitrate

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k-man__:

GreyFoxx, whats the highest?

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GreyFoxx:

wont be higher than 20 or so mbit

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k-man__:

GreyFoxx, i'm trying to work it out so i can speck some network hardware so i need the worst case scenario

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gbee:

it *should* be, but the problem with plugins all being written by different people at different times is that they don't all do things the same way, maybe in the near future we can get some consistency in the behaviour of these things but sadly it doesn't exist just yet

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GreyFoxx:

Depends on how many streas you plan to watch at any given time

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GreyFoxx:

If you only have a couple frontends then network bandwidth on a100mbit network wont be a problem

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gilligan__:

ok.. i'm an idiot.. some permission thing just like you thought gbee

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gilligan__:

thanks

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gilligan__:

;]

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gbee:

np

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gbee:

just glad you got it sorted

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k-man__:

GreyFoxx, any idea where i can find documentation on the bitrate of FTA HD?

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GreyFoxx:

There is no set rate

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GreyFoxx:

just maximums

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GreyFoxx:

bitrates literally vary from show to show all day long

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k-man__:

ok, so whre can i find doco on the maximum?

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GreyFoxx:

I just told you , it's about 20mbit

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GreyFoxx:

but, otherwise google

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k-man__:

ok

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k-man__:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

It's like 19–22mbit or somesuch

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GreyFoxx:

and I've never seen a stream that high

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k-man__:

ok

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k-man__:

thanks

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k-man__:

GreyFoxx, so once you stick network overhead on top of that, what bit rate would your network need to be able to stream it?

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iamlindoro:

Just get 100 mBit and be done with it... 54 Mb wireless should theoretically be enough, but that's under ideal conditions and I've seen very spotty HD performance on it. 100 mBit is the lowest I would purchase to stream HD... Gig is plentiful, common, and cheap now, so no real reason not to go with that

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iamlindoro:

If you must have wireless, then I get perfect playback with 802.11n, but it's much harder and more expensive to get the right hardware for it.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ya know, speaking of wireless, I read something the other day that although 802.11g will also work with 802.11b devices, the whole network slows down to 11.b speeds – I didn't know that...

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iamlindoro:

Yeah... and likewise, g/b will work with n... but throttles down to lowest speed.

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J-e-f-f-A:

That explains why my .g network has not been able to play even SD reliably since I started using a uPNP music player that's .b only...

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kury:

Anyone know if it is possible to use an allforone brand universal remote with my hauppauge PVR350 IR reciever?

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tom___:

has anyone had any luck with a geforece 5700le tv-out on ubuntu...i'm pulling my hair out..

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iamlindoro:

tom__ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOut

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iamlindoro:

In short, lots of people run nVidia cards with tv out... it can be tricky to get working right, but start there

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tom___:

iamlindoro: thanks :-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kury: You could try 'learning' the remote and see if it's codes are recognized by the receiver... IIRC, the command is 'irrecord filename' --

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J-e-f-f-A:

kury: Any luck with that remote?

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kury:

.. working on it........ IRRecord doesn't recognize most of my remote codes I'm programming it with... and as I recall my remote can only *learn* so many arbitrary codes from the original..

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J-e-f-f-A:

kury: If it's a universal remote, try setting that mode to a different device and try again from the top. The PVR350 IR receiver probably only understands one IR protocol...

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kury:

.. ya I've found a couple.. but they are for devices that don't use the forward/back/pause/play/stop type buttons so... I don't really want to choose that one..

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kury:

those ones..

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J-e-f-f-A:

kury: Try setting it for a VCR.

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kinection:

i'm having trouble getting my audio working from the capture card... my card has an audio output jack that I can use the plugin to the line in for my sound card, but the audio is not synced up with the video

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kinection:

how do i get audio to work without feeding it into the line in?

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kinection:

i can get audio to work if i do this 'tvtime | arecord -D hw:1,0 -r 32000 -c 2 -f S16_LE | aplay -' I'm not sure how to translate that into mythtv

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Anduin:

kinection: The main mythtv.org docs cover muting capture devices etc

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J-e-f-f-A:

kinection: Are you testing with livetv? If so you don't have myth/linux configured right. You need to mute the line-in playback channel,and un-mute/select it in the record channel. Then you need to tell myth which audio input for that tuner.

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kinection:

J-e-f-f-A: yes, i'm testing with live tv.

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kinection:

J-e-f-f-A: the muting/unmuting, this is all done through alsamixer?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kinection: yes.

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J-e-f-f-A:

kinection: So what your seeing is buffered livetv, and what you're hearing is live audio. You want to hear the buffered audio.

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kinection:

ah, that makes sense.

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kinection:

but that would mean that i still have to do it throught he line in correct?

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kinection:

so i need to plug the line from tuner to the soundcard

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J-e-f-f-A:

kinection: probably – if that's the type of card you have (framebuffer capture card).

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kinection:

oh, it's a cheap POS. do crappy cards tend to be like that?

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Jiten:

some cards support recording the sound directly from the card. What do you have?

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kinection:

if i can get things working, i'm probably going to get the pcHDTV card

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wasabi:

ANybody have any advice for using a spidif out on a sound card, and making the vol control work right?

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wasabi:

sound card mixer does not seem to affect it

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J-e-f-f-A:

kinection: Yep. The best card for analog video is one of the Haupauuge cards — PVR150, 500, or older 250.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wasabi: I'm not sure you can control the volume on spdif...

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kinection:

i have a no name... "V-Stream Creator TV – MCE 100 PRO" but it uses ADS Tech Instant TV for the saa7134 driver

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wasabi:

j-e-f-f-A: apparently not. Was wondering if anybody has done something silly like expose a receiver as a Alsa mixer

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wasabi:

Maybe using av link or similar

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kinection:

J-e-f-f-A: right now, using ivtv, i can hear the audio without the need of the line in

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J-e-f-f-A:

wasabi: I haven't ventured into spdif yet with Myth...

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kinection:

er.

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kinection:

i mean tvtime

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J-e-f-f-A:

kinection: Your card works with the ivtv driver? If so, then it's a hardware mpeg encoder card... That's good...

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kinection:

no, not ivtv

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kinection:

i said the wrong thing

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J-e-f-f-A:

kinection: ah.

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kinection:

i meant that tvtime can get audio without the need of linein

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kinection:

only through the piping comand and arecord

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J-e-f-f-A:

kinection: So it sounds like you need to un-plug that line-in loop, and configure myth for the right audio input for that tuner.

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kinection:

yea, is there anyway to easily figure that out?

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kinection:

like which device to get audio from? are you able to tell from arecord -D hw:1,0 ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kinection: When you said it doen't need the line in — did you have it un-plugged when you tested it with tvtime?

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kinection:

yea, i'm playing it right now with tvtime

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kinection:

without it plugged in

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J-e-f-f-A:

kinection: I'd either do some googling, or try the process of elimination by trying each audio source availabe to the tuner settings.

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J-e-f-f-A:

kinection: You might get a hint by doing a "dmesg |grep bttv" (assuming it'susing that driver), and see if it gives you a clue as to the audio device that gets created for the card.

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kinection:

J-e-f-f-A: how would i supply an alsa device id for a capture card?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kinection: I

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J-e-f-f-A:

kinection: ... I'm not sure... I use hardware cards, so you'd have to check the wiki at mythtv.org ...

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kinection:

hmm, wiki says that mythtv only supports oss audio capture

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

noone has every submitted a patch to support ALSA for capture

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GreyFoxx:

s/every/ever

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kinection:

well. /dev/dsp1 is still created through alsa-oss emulation.. and when i play with tvtime, i can cat /dev/dsp1 | aplay -

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kinection:

and it will play audio

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kinection:

but mythtv still doesn't do it even if i set audio input for the card to /dev/dsp1

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kinection:

and when mythtv is running i can't cat /dev/dsp1 because it's busy

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kinection:

how can i test to see if mythtv's sounds are coming out right? mythvideo doesn't use mythtv to play, what about mythmusic?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kinection: mythvideo uses the internal player, so it should work fine.

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hachi:

the mythtv features list says it's UPnP enabled

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hachi:

but... I just don't see it

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lizaoreo:

Hey guys, I'm having some issues with my live TV viewing being delayed by a few seconds when I'm viewing it with MythTV. When I'm changing channels or whatever on the TV, there's always like a two second delay before I see that on screen.

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lizaoreo:

I'm using a PVR-350 capture card, and I think I have all my settings right now, but I'm still having that issue.

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cal_:

trying to stream an hd movie over 100mb network.. its somewhat jittery. should i be able to do this, or do i need to burn it to cd? :(

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mindframe_:

what's the hotkey to switch subtitle language in mplayer?

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mindframe_:

cal_, use -cache 32768

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cal_:

mind: where do i use that parm at?

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cal_:

mythfrontend -cache 32768?

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mindframe_:

mplayer

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cal_:

oh so i need to launch it from a shell rather than from the myth menus

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Tanthrix:

lizaoreo: That's normal. Whenever you're watching livetv you're actually watching a file of a recording, it's not technically live.

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Yutlin:

Hey all, I've somehow got my front-end into a mode where I can't change channels up and down. Also, when I try to type in a channel number as soon as I hit the first number the channel changes. Any ideas what I did?

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Tanthrix:

lizaoreo: A small buffer has to be built up first before you can begin viewing. And it takes a bit of time for the tuner to change channels.

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jhulst:

Yutlin: Is it set to record the show you're watching right now?

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Tanthrix:

lizaoreo: It's gotten better, and my setup with a PVR-150 allows me to change probably in about a second. Really though, myth's just not built for liveTV. It's against the whole purpose of it. If you want instant channel changing / no delay you're best bet is to just use your TV tuner.

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Yutlin:

jhulst, I'm not sure to be honest. It seems as though Myth has been recording everything from whatever channel I've left it on.

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Yutlin:

I'm still pretty new to MythTV, just managed to get network boot working and now I'm trying to figure out how to actually use it :)

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jhulst:

Yutlin: My guess is that you have it scheduled to record the show you are watching, so with no available tuners, it locks you from changing the channel

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Yutlin:

I've gone into delete recordings and removed everything but I still can't seem to do much of anything

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Yutlin:

it will allow me to change channel but very strangely

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Yutlin:

if I press 5 for instance it immediately changes to channel 5 and doesn't give me any on-screen info

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jhulst:

Yutlin: What OS and how did you install it?

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jhulst:

Sorry, what distro?

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Yutlin:

Mythbuntu, installed a only a front-end

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Yutlin:

and I'm network booting

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jhulst:

Yutlin: You need a backend, whether you purposefully installed it or not, it needs to be there

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Yutlin:

I have a back-end running (Mythbuntu) on another box

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kinection:

if i have a /dev/lirc0, would I be able to cat /dev/lirc0 and shoot IR at it and be able to get output? or do i need lircd running ?

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jhulst:

Yutlin: What does the console output say when trying to change the channel?

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Yutlin:

console on the back-end?

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jhulst:

Yutlin: No, on frontend, starting mythfrontend from console, what is the output when changing?

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Yutlin:

how do I start from console?

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Yutlin:

it's currently just starting on boot

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Yutlin:

is it just "mythtv"?

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jhulst:

mythfrontend

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Yutlin:

ok, I'll try it and report back

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Yutlin:

ugh, now after a restart I can't watch live TV because of a in-progress recording. Also, I can't delete the in-progress recording because it says it is in use.

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jhulst:

Yutlin: That's what I was saying before

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Yutlin:

it seems to be acting differently than before. Can I force the recording to delete somehow?

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jhulst:

Yutlin: If you go to watch recordings, then press the right arrow on the currently recording program, it will give a list of options, one is to to stop recording

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clever[rev]:

normaly when i hit delete it also stops recording

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Yutlin:

hmm.. I'm only seeing: Play, Add to Playlist, Storage Options, Recording Options, Job Options, and Delete

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Yutlin:

and it won't allow me to delete

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clever[rev]:

restarting the mythbackend will kill all recordings

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Yutlin:

cool, I'll do that quick then

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jhulst:

That's a little overboard, but it may be the only way in the current release

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Yutlin:

is there a quick command to restart the back-end?

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clever[rev]:

depends on how you started it

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Yutlin:

mythbuntu auto starts it

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jhulst:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend restart

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clever[rev]:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend restart maybe

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Yutlin:

yup, that did it

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Yutlin:

now, I'm back to the channel changing troubles

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Yutlin:

I'll try to start from console and see what I get

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jhulst:

Yutlin: You know you don't have to restart to kill mythfrontend

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defaultro:

hi folks, a friend gave me a ATI Visiontek HD 650 pci card. Will this work in linux?

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Yutlin:

jhulst: yea, I'm just having a tought time getting out of it because Mythbuntu starts it fullscreen

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jhulst:

defaultro: That is probably a good question for google

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jhulst:

Yutlin: You can't just hit 'Esc' and choose to exit

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jhulst:

?

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defaultro:

didn't find a lot

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Yutlin:

nope, doesn't seem to be working (despite the fact that I chose Esc as the exit key)

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defaultro:

i don't know if this is a new card

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Yutlin:

ok, for the time being it set mythbuntu to not start the front-end on boot and I'm just gonna reboot and start it myself from the console

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Yutlin:

kind of silly but whatever gets the job done right now

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cesman:

defaultro: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

:( currently unsupported

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clever[rev]:

the 'vesa' driver will probly work on allmost any video card

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clever[rev]:

but it will have very limited usability

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Yutlin:

aha!

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Yutlin:

Console tells me: Couldn't find OSD theme: blootube-osd

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Yutlin:

something tells me that might be it

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jhulst:

Yutlin: That'd do it

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Yutlin:

can you remind me where the osd theme is set?

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jhulst:

Yutlin: in the tv/playback menu

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Yutlin:

hooray :)

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Yutlin:

that was definately it

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jhulst:

Yutlin: Looking at the console output or logs is always a good way to start diagnosing problems :)

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Yutlin:

good to know!

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Yutlin:

here's another little quirk

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Yutlin:

it seems my channel names and show titles are correct but the show summaries are for the wrong shows

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jhulst:

Yutlin: What do you use to get listings? Schedules Direct?

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Yutlin:

would that be an issue with Schedules direct or possible something I have configure wrong?

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Yutlin:

I'm actually still on the trial period

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jhulst:

Yutlin: Are they incorrect with every channel or just specific ones?

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Yutlin:

it appears it's every channel. The summary just describes a different show than the one selected.

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Yutlin:

ah, maybe it isn't all channels

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jhulst:

I've never heard of that, perhaps try running mythfilldatabase again

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jhulst:

I would guess it's a problem with SD then

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Yutlin:

ah, I was incorrect about the problem I think

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Yutlin:

it looks like the show title matches the show summary but both are wrong for the channel

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Yutlin:

although the channel name is correct

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Yutlin:

heh... QVC – 24: World Series of Poker

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Yutlin:

:)

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jhulst:

Make sure system time is correct? Run mythfilldatabase again

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Yutlin:

system time appears to be correct. And looking more closely, it appears some channels are listing the right shows.

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Yutlin:

perhaps it's a problem with the data source. I'll re-run mythfilldatabase and see if anything improves.

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jhulst:

Yutlin: I'm off, good luck

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Yutlin:

thanks for your help

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hachi:

can I get a mythtv backend machine to run mythcommflag when it's not the box that recorded it?

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kury:

Anyone know why this would be happening? # irw

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kury:

connect: Connection refused

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hachi:

because the far end isn't running whatever you're trying to connect to

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hachi:

you should seriously consider providing more information with regards to that question

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kury:

its all local... I had lirc all working.. this morning.. but I've been trying to setup all sorts of other stuff all day & now its broken for some reason..

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kury:

lircd is running... but when I run irw I get that error..

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kury:

also.. I don't seem to have a /dev/lirc0 like I'm suppose to?

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kury:

more details?

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hachi:

oh, I guess I have no clue what irw is... I don't have any remote control stuff myself

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clever[rev]:

reload the kernel module and restart lircd

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kury:

how do I know what the module name is? I don't see it in lsmod

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clever[rev]:

if you dont see it then thats your problem:P

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clever[rev]:

(isnt loaded)

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clever[rev]:

mine is lirc_serial

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kury:

ya... mine is a hauppauge PVR 350.. but I'm still not sure what the module name is how do I find that?

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kury:

got it.. lirc_i2c

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hachi:

mythcommflag is taking longer than the recording process does :\

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hachi:

is there a way to get mythtv-setup to not run full screen?

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clever[rev]:

hachi: that depends on how fast your cpu is and your flag settings

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hachi:

clever[rev]: 2GHz intel

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clever[rev]:

ah

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clever[rev]:

somewhat faster then most of my systems

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hachi:

it's taking forever because the file storage is on NFS

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hachi:

I want the flag process to run on a different machine

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clever[rev]:

my nfs is able to stream it at realtime easily

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clever[rev]:

i have flaging running on 3 systems all streaming from a 4th

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clever[rev]:

often at once

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hachi:

so how do you designate which machines can do flagging?

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clever[rev]:

in mythtv-setup you can set it for jobs to run on any host

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clever[rev]:

then i just run a mythbackend on all

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clever[rev]:

and you can disable running flag jobs on a certain box in its mythtv-setup

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hachi:

still trying to get mythtv-setup running a different box

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hachi:

it loads, precaches all the images... and then spends bloody forever doing not much

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clever[rev]:

yep sounds normal

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clever[rev]:

and if you run thru X11 forwarding you wont actualy change the settings you think you are

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clever[rev]:

it changes the settings where mythtv-setup is running not displaying

[07:53:15]

hachi:

yes, I understand that fact

[07:53:21]

hachi:

it's sorta... inherent in the way X works

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hachi:

I want to run it not full screen

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hachi:

also, it's drawing the fonts too big, I can't read all of the help text because it gets cut off

[07:56:02]

clever[rev]:

that allways happens to me

[07:56:35]

clever[rev]:

i just read what i can

[08:00:10]

hachi:

can't find command line options or environment variables that affect mythtv :\

[08:00:30]

hachi:

no manpages

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Dibblah:

hachi: You need to get the DPI in X to be 100.

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hachi:

sweet, -geometry 800x600

[08:05:02]

Dibblah:

Also, manpages won't help much – Most of it is controlled by setup options from inside Myth.

[08:05:17]

hachi:

there's command line options

[08:05:26]

Dibblah:

That geometry switch also ends up being persistent.

[08:05:30]

hachi:

I just found one, and I know there are at least 5 or 6 on mythbackend

[08:05:34]

Dibblah:

Just so you know.

[08:05:39]

Dibblah:

mythfrontend --help

[08:05:44]

Dibblah:

mythbackend --help ;)

[08:06:22]

hachi:

is there a way to get it to not hide the mouse pointer?

[08:06:40]

hachi:

also, mythtv-setup isn't showing the list on the first screen

[08:08:19]

hachi:

my DPI is already set to 100

[08:08:32]

hachi:

resolution: 100x100 dots per inch

[08:08:57]

hachi:

and the geometry flag isn't persistent on my machine

[08:08:57]

clever[rev]:

i rarely use the mouse in myth

[08:09:06]

clever[rev]:

but you can unhide it on mythfrontend's setup

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hachi:

I'm in mythtv-setup

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hachi:

this machine isn't a frontend

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clever[rev]:

if its not a fe then you wont be using the gui to myth much

[08:13:44]

clever[rev]:

all my myth boxes are fe+be

[08:14:22]

hachi:

thanks, however I am using the GUI to myth right now

[08:14:27]

hachi:

despite me not using it much in the future

[08:14:35]

hachi:

the lack of mouse right now is making it difficult to use

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Floppe:

why not use the keyboard.. it's not that hard

[08:15:54]

hachi:

because I have a mouse?

[08:16:09]

hachi:

I'm using the keyboard right now, but this is the same interface myth had two years ago

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hachi:

mythtv-setup keeps rendering taller than the window it's in... so I can't see the bottom 15% of the screens

[08:34:29]

hachi:

and I still can't see the front page :\

[08:35:19]

hachi:

the choice "IP address for rosa", meaning 'what's the IP address of this machine'... why is it incapable of figuring this out on its own?

[08:35:38]

hachi:

more importantly, why does it even care... it should be binding to INADDR_ANY for sockets

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Anduin:

hachi: If it isn't DPI it is probably bad font substitution, and the IP is used by frontends (all pre-UPnP)

[08:51:00]

hachi:

how do I call up the position bar in playback mode :\

[08:51:35]

hachi:

*digging*

[08:51:37]

Anduin:

INFO (i)

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hachi:

no, there's some way to call up the full bar, with red marks showing where the commercials are... or at least there was a few years ago

[08:52:14]

Anduin:

hachi: e

[08:52:28]

Anduin:

hachi: also reachable via menu (m)

[08:52:56]

hachi:

oooh

[08:53:43]

hachi:

icons... on the available watchable recordings screen

[08:54:16]

hachi:

bleh, that's theme dependant

[08:57:42]

clever:

hachi: it needs to know its own ip to be able to put it in the database for other servers to contact it

[08:57:57]

clever:

hachi: and it tells if its master by comparing its own ip to the master ip

[09:01:01]

hachi:

uhhh

[09:01:44]

hachi:

for some reason there's a recording going on

[09:02:01]

hachi:

but I don't see a listing in the watch list saying it's being recorded

[09:02:48]

hachi:

oh, the time is all off... bleh

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hasse_:

hello, im using the nightly build svn version of mythtv, and often new releases it comitted, is there a list hvere i can see what changes made when new version is released ? .. for ex. yesterday when the new mythmusic was released with great features ? so i dont have to find new stuff by "accident"

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anykey_:

hasse_: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/timeline

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hachi:

what's the thing called that lets you manage mythtv from a web browser?

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justinh:

mythweb

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justinh:

hasse_: you should already know that if you use trunk you should keep yourself up to date with changes by subscribing to the -dev and -commits mailing list to avoid any nasty surprises

[09:56:34]

hachi:

"An integrated web browser plugin for your MythTV system"

[09:56:39]

hachi:

that really doesn't sound like it

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justinh:

hachi: wrong

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justinh:

mythweb is the thing you're asking about

[09:57:18]

justinh:

"An integrated web browser plugin for your MythTV system" would be mythbrowser

[09:57:35]

hachi:

Description: A small web browser module for MythTV

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justinh:

wherever you got your information from is _wrong_

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hachi:

the debian packages

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justinh:

so they're wrong

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justinh:

mythweb is what you're looking for

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hachi:

are they managed by the mythtv team, or by cmarillat?

[09:58:16]

justinh:

packages are nothing to do with mythtv

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justinh:

look in the mythtv wiki if you don't believe me

[09:59:35]

justinh:

I find it difficult to believe a packager got it so wrong but hey if that's what they say, that's what they say

[10:00:07]

hachi:

I'm only asking because it changes where I send the patch to

[10:03:08]

justinh:

patches for mythtv go to svn.mythtv.org, attached to tickets. patches for packagers go to umm... whoever packaged the stuff

[10:03:30]

hachi:

obviously

[10:09:57]

directhex|bsp:

Description: Web interface add-on module for MythTV

[10:10:01]

directhex|bsp:

that's the mythweb dexcription

[10:10:10]

directhex|bsp:

Description: A small web browser module for MythTV

[10:10:15]

directhex|bsp:

that's the mythbrowser description

[10:12:55]

siXy:

justinh: by the way – glass-wide with the background from blootube-wide looks fantastic. thanks for the idea.

[10:16:41]

justinh:

siXy: you should see the new update..

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justinh:

a roaring fire. need to find a better background for it

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siXy:

ohh nice

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siXy:

very xmas

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justinh:

sony vegas & virtualdub ftw :)

[10:19:40]

** directhex|bsp prefers avidemux to veedub? **

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directhex|bsp:

that's not a question, i'm just a retard

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PaulWay:

Hi all!

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justinh:

!

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PaulWay:

I'm having trouble getting a front-end installed – Via EPIA M-600 board, installing to 4.3G laptop drive.

[10:21:25]

directhex|bsp:

ooh, tasty hardware

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directhex|bsp:

prepare for bile & vitriol!

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PaulWay:

Heh.

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justinh:

PaulWay: don't!

[10:23:27]

justinh:

just don't!

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justinh:

get a proper computer, honestly

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PaulWay:

This sounds like a person who's suffered... :-)

[10:24:01]

justinh:

yep

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justinh:

they're just not worth it

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PaulWay:

The minimyth linpvr setup looks good but there seem to be problems with the CF card adapter my brother bought, so I'm trying to install it on hard disk.

[10:24:54]

justinh:

they probably make nice machines for in-car shennanigans (as long as you don't want video playback) but beyond that.. bin fodder

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PaulWay:

That sounds pretty prejudiced... :-)

[10:25:23]

justinh:

I just retired my epia m10k

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justinh:

it _barely_ coped with SDTV mpeg2. far from ideal

[10:26:01]

justinh:

a world of pain

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PaulWay:

What chipset was it using?

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justinh:

don't care. it's a PoS

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PaulWay:

The CLE266 has SDTV MPEG2 decode down pat; others don't work at all.

[10:26:49]

justinh:

CLE266 is it

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PaulWay:

Well, fork over the money for a new drive or don't tell me your problems.

[10:27:26]

justinh:

it won't play SDTV without xvmc, and even with it, it's patchy. god knows how bad it'd be on a 600Mhz cpu

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PaulWay:

s/drive/system/

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justinh:

this was with minimyth FYI

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justinh:

ubuntu performed better, as did knoppmyth, as did slack

[10:27:57]

Jiten:

which DVB-C cards would you recommend for mythtv use?

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PaulWay:

Perhaps you'd like to write to the guy who made minimyth, who says he's got SDTV playback on his M-6000 no problems.

[10:28:10]

justinh:

Jiten: ones which work on linux :)

[10:28:38]

justinh:

PaulWay: me & Pablo had a few discussions about it. nothing could be established

[10:28:59]

Jiten:

justinh: you know, that told me precisely nothing.

[10:29:06]

justinh:

maybe it was this, maybe it was that, maybe it was another thing.

[10:29:39]

justinh:

Jiten: look in the wiki at linuxtv.org. find one that works in linux & that'll work in mythtv. no worky in linux, no worky in mythtv

[10:30:01]

PaulWay:

I've got DVB-T cards, but they may not interest you.

[10:30:25]

justinh:

PaulWay: it's specifically DVB-T recordings the epia has trouble with

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Jiten:

I was just thinking that when I was choosing the card, the local shops didn't carry too many different brands so it got a bit hard to figure out which one to take.

[10:31:12]

justinh:

so just buy one that gets a mention on the linuxtv wiki

[10:31:14]

Jiten:

At least it seems the one I got works without many problems.

[10:31:23]

justinh:

the safest bet by far :)

[10:31:37]

PaulWay:

The MythTV wiki also has a few bits of information on DVB-C cards...

[10:31:53]

Jiten:

however, it doesn't have a CI-slot on the card. Needs 2 slots for that.

[10:32:05]

Jiten:

umm 2 PCI slots that is

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justinh:

you don't always have to mount the CI at the back ;)

[10:33:07]

Jiten:

there was one with the slot integrated on the card that seemed like it might work but it wasn't directly listed on linuxtv.org so I didn't take it.

[10:34:19]

Jiten:

From what I could gather it was basically twinhan based card. Azurewave AD-CP300 DVB-C

[10:35:14]

Jiten:

at least one of the components has Twinhan printed on it in the picture here: http://www.elektroni.fi/?product=11302

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PaulWay:

OK, so I can get it to load the kernel and the rootfs ramdisk, but it says "kernel panic – not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(9,1)"

[10:35:39]

justinh:

PaulWay: and, if I used a version of minimyth past 0.20–19, video playback just wouldn't work on my system at all – not in any way that was watchable. YMMV

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justinh:

PaulWay: their forums would be your best bet

[10:36:15]

PaulWay:

justinh: well, it's a moot point, it's my brothers system and I want to try to get it working for him.

[10:37:40]

justinh:

I tried to get it booting from USB once even using their instructions – it's not very well documented IMHO

[10:37:59]

justinh:

I was a very happy user of minimyth for a long time, until 0.20 mythtv appeared

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directhex|bsp:

making a distro is too easy. i had harsh words with the creator of a knoppix knock-off once, he didn't understand package management

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PaulWay:

yeah, the documentation is ... terse.

[10:39:11]

justinh:

just use mythbuntu :)

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directhex|bsp:

gentoo! be sure to use -O4 -funroll-loops

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justinh:

it boots faster than minimyth & isn't as slim an install as minimyth but it'll be easier to make work

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PaulWay:

Well, I tried mythdora and it got almost the entire way through installing and then said "Could not install due to the following error:"

[10:40:12]

PaulWay:

That was it.

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directhex|bsp:

well, RPM distributions do that

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directhex|bsp:

even SLES10 on my 152 core box does things like that

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Solv:

any mythbuntu users here? i just installed a fresh system and for the life of me can't get the frontend to connect to the backend (same pc)...i had mythtv running fine on gentoo...but it was Sabayon and bloated, so i thought i'd give mythbuntu a try...it is supposed to be easy way to get mythtv running...but so far it's much hardewr than gentoo...

[10:46:26]

Solv:

i have read some howtos and tried to reconfigure mysql in case that's the problem...changed the user and password to mythtv and mythtv...but now it won't authenticate....should just delete mysql and mythbackend and reinstall them both??

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directhex|bsp:

wow

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justinh:

I bet you didn't actually change the password, only a text file

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directhex|bsp:

i've actively tried to sabbotage the ubuntu packages during installation and still they insist on just working

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justinh:

all the buntus are still plagued by mysql auth problems. gd bless em

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Solv:

justinh, i ran mysql -u root -p

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Daviey:

justinh: >:(

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: I tried that too. I think only by blindly pressing return can you botch it up

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Solv:

then added a line somewhere along the lines of allow access to mythconverg for 'password' (which i said mythtv)

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, no, that DOES work. it's blindly pressing retrun, except when something says "enter your mysql root password here if you have one, else leave it blank", whereupon you enter something wrong. THEN it screws

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Daviey:

Solv: why change it?

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directhex|bsp:

Daviey, he has a point

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Solv:

and i changed the mysql.txt file throughrunning dpkg-reconfigure to have mythtv and mythtv as username and password

[10:49:13]

Solv:

because it wasn't working

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Daviey:

It sounds like you've done everything in your power to bork it, are you an alias for justinh :D

[10:50:31]

justinh:

Daviey: sometimes the ubuntu package wizard thingy goes wrong. I wouldn't say it if it wasn't true

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Daviey:

Solv: you could fix it, but if it's pretty much a fresh install – i'd just reinstall (unless you already have some settings / database)

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Solv:

running in livecd mode i couldn't open my tuner card...so i installed, then i reran it and it could access my card...but from the word go it complained about not being able to access the backend

[10:51:56]

Solv:

Daviey, yeah i'm thinking that's gonna happen....i did keep my original home dirs from my gentoo install so i could copy over the lircf.conf and lircrc files that i custom made...but that's about it

[10:52:07]

Daviey:

ahhhhh

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Daviey:

cat ~/mythtv/mysql.txt

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Solv:

i'm wondering if that had something to do with it...cause i can't ssh into it either, it complains about an ssh key changing...which would have been the old one....however the key don't exist anymore!...i think someone screwy is going on there...i might format my home partition as well

[10:52:55]

Daviey:

or find ~/ -iname mysql.txt # home mysql.txt takes priority

[10:53:07]

Solv:

yeah cept the home username is different

[10:53:33]

Daviey:

well anyway.. thats your problem.. don't do that :X

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Solv:

and i went in and deleted my old mysql,txt just to make sure..even though it was under a different user

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Solv:

okay so fresh install and use whole disk rather than keep my home partition?

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Daviey:

i would

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Daviey:

maybe backup lirc*

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directhex|bsp:

funny thing is, every day, people who do what i do pray to $DEITY to bring them debian

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Solv:

yeah doing that now....gotta second drive i backed up my home folders to anyway...just in case they got deleted in the install

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Daviey:

cool

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directhex|bsp:

santa baby, slip dpkg under the tree, for meeee

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Solv:

also mythbuntu doesn't seem to have a few other options...like it assumes i must be from north america...there is no option to use a custom grabber?

[10:57:33]

Daviey:

Solv: I'm not north america

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Solv:

and the remote setup doesn't have the homebrew serial option...and doesn't setup setserial to free up the com port

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Daviey:

Solv: use OTA or XMLTV

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directhex|bsp:

THAt's a debianish problem. an annoying one

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Solv:

Daviey, yeah but XMLTV option isn't there!

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Daviey:

O RLY

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Solv:

maybe i missed it in the orginal install options and they ise a package built without xmltv configured in?

[10:59:12]

directhex|bsp:

isn't that an airport near paris?

[10:59:55]

Solv:

anyone suffice to say that i'm surprised by the number of issues i've come across on a distro that is meant to make mythtv 'easy' =)

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Daviey:

feel free not to use it :)

[11:02:03]

Solv:

well obviously i could do that....but it would probably be more constructive if I wrote a review highlighting the many issues and made the devs aware that there is more work to be done

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CaptObviousman:

greetings

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justinh:

ahh usability studies. gotta love them

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** directhex|bsp uses justinh **

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Dibblah:

Is it that time of year again?

[11:16:26]

directhex|bsp:

which time of year?

[11:16:39]

Dibblah:

Usability flame war time.

[11:16:57]

CaptObviousman:

tis the season to purchase an HDTV capture card

[11:17:09]

directhex|bsp:

such things always increase during non-work times – holidays, weekends, etc

[11:17:57]

directhex|bsp:

the "professional" stuff is due every 6 months or so now, basically after every ubuntu release

[11:19:25]

CaptObviousman:

so I recall reading that a mythtv backend still needs X installed to function

[11:19:46]

Dibblah:

Not technically true.

[11:19:55]

Dibblah:

But in reality, don't go there.

[11:19:56]

CaptObviousman:

so it just needs some of the libs then

[11:20:19]

Dibblah:

It's easier just to install X than try the other routes.

[11:20:27]

Daviey:

I do have X on my backend, but it's not started as default

[11:20:33]

Dibblah:

That's fine.

[11:20:38]

CaptObviousman:

grr

[11:20:48]

CaptObviousman:

I have plenty of space, but it's the principle of the thing

[11:20:59]

Daviey:

ah, you must be a gentoo'er

[11:21:04]

CaptObviousman:

nah, I'm a slacker

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Dibblah:

Great! We look forward to your patch! ;) ;)

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** CaptObviousman was already asked to contribute, and will do so gladly after the holidays die down **

[11:21:31]

Daviey:

CaptObviousman: i'm an ex-slacker... luckily i learn't from my error

[11:22:02]

Dibblah:

"learn't"?

[11:22:13]

Dibblah:

learn it?

[11:22:15]

CaptObviousman:

hmm, so for now I'll just install everything except most of the wasteful userland stuff

[11:22:18]

directhex|bsp:

slackware is for people who wish they were running yggdrasil

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** CaptObviousman eyerolls at directhex|bsp **

[11:22:40]

Dibblah:

Sheesh. Do they teach English in schools any more? ;)

[11:22:40]

CaptObviousman:

yes yes your penis is larger than mine, yadda yadda

[11:23:09]

directhex|bsp:

don't look at me, i've only been using linux since about 2002

[11:23:17]

Dibblah:

Latecomer.

[11:23:34]

directhex|bsp:

i've just consistently failed to see the point of slackware.

[11:23:38]

CaptObviousman:

and apparnetly you still haven't learned not to start flamewars in distro-neutral channels

[11:23:54]

directhex|bsp:

not entirely neutral. we all hate gentoo

[11:24:04]

Dibblah:

This 'channel' isn't neutral. ;)

[11:24:08]

CaptObviousman:

bah

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PaulWay:

Wait a minute, I thought we all hated knoppix!

[11:24:18]

PaulWay:

splitters!

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directhex|bsp:

PaulWay, that too

[11:24:29]

directhex|bsp:

PaulWay, personally, i hate kanotix

[11:24:29]

justinh:

knoppix is for windows users IMHO

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Daviey:

CaptObviousman: directhex|bsp does have a smaller penis than most, yours must be really tiny

[11:24:57]

CaptObviousman:

look, can we get past the distribution pettyness?

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** justinh passes a bottle of vodka round **

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justinh:

ffs children

[11:25:02]

Dibblah:

Right. This is getting unnecessary.

[11:25:04]

CaptObviousman:

this isn't funny, and it's not cutre

[11:25:11]

CaptObviousman:

so kindly stfu about this distro or that

[11:25:28]

PaulWay:

What I'd really like to see is mythdora install correctly and not bork out at the last minute with "" as the error.

[11:25:37]

PaulWay:

I live in a certain amount of hope.

[11:25:39]

Daviey:

well someone has just stopped themseleves getting any help, *clap* *clap*

[11:25:46]

justinh:

what I'd really like to see is peace in the middle east

[11:25:57]

Dibblah:

Just the middle east?

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directhex|bsp:

CaptObviousman, mythbackend uses Qt. if you want to compile a framebuffer-based Qt, then you can get away without X. more or less

[11:26:02]

justinh:

yeah just there

[11:26:02]

Dibblah:

That's rather specific.

[11:26:21]

CaptObviousman:

ahh, a useful response. Thanks directhex|bsp

[11:26:22]

PaulWay:

That sounds reasonable. There can still be war and strife in Texas that way.

[11:26:24]

justinh:

oh and Bush dead. but then you can want too much

[11:26:31]

Dibblah:

"Peace on earth and goodwill to all earthworms" is the more traditional option.

[11:26:40]

directhex|bsp:

CaptObviousman, no promises. nobody bothers with directfb and myth anymore

[11:26:46]

Dibblah:

But then you have to be dressed in a miniskirt and twirling a baton.

[11:26:49]

CaptObviousman:

I probably won't either

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directhex|bsp:

CaptObviousman, i don't think it's regression tested anymore, certainly

[11:27:00]

CaptObviousman:

I just resent having to install the whole enchilada when they only want one small part

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justinh:

Dibblah: so you were there with us on saturday night too

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CaptObviousman:

I'll probably start large and crank down to see how far I can go

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directhex|bsp:

you don't need the whole enchilada. use your package manager, to only pull in the specific libs you need

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directhex|bsp:

and now we're back into distro war territory. see how that happens?

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CaptObviousman:

no we're not

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CaptObviousman:

I suppose if I had to put up with stupid questions all day long I'd be irritable too

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Daviey:

There's nowt wrong with a bit of distro banter

[11:29:08]

muxx:

hello everyone. I was wondering if someone had their TV connected through RGB SCART

[11:29:08]

justinh:

Daviey: anyway for all I knock mythbuntu guess what my frontend uses :P

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Dibblah:

No one _has_ to do anything.

[11:29:21]

Daviey:

justinh: mythdora?

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Daviey:

:D

[11:29:27]

justinh:

Daviey: over my dead body

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directhex|bsp:

i use regular ubuntu. does anyone have any clues why getty is broken for me? it happened after jfs ate my disk again

[11:30:10]

Dibblah:

muxx: RGB -> SCART can be problematic.

[11:30:14]

Daviey:

directhex|bsp: I've heard a few stories of jfs.. i use xfs without issue

[11:30:19]

justinh:

muxx: yeah my TV is connected to my cable ST B via RGB SCART

[11:30:33]

Dibblah:

It depends on your video card being able to output interlaced video correctly.

[11:30:33]

directhex|bsp:

Daviey, i regret not using XFS. i know people at sgi i can mailbomb if it breaks

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** Dibblah wonders if you can fsck it yet. **

[11:31:01]

muxx:

тno, I mean connecting your PC to Tvia RGB SCART

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directhex|bsp:

Dibblah, sure. why not?

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muxx:

connecting your PC to TV via RGB SCART sorry

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justinh:

muxx: if you have a nvidia card you need a little circuit to combine H & V syncs

[11:31:42]

muxx:

I did all that

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justinh:

and fancy modelines which may or may not work

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Dibblah:

directhex|bsp: Previously, a >700Gb or so array couldn't be xfs_check ed.

[11:31:52]

Dibblah:

on x86.

[11:32:05]

Dibblah:

Because it ran out of virtual memory space.

[11:32:08]

muxx:

I do have a stable picture on the screen, intelaced mode and RGB working — this is not a problem

[11:32:12]

directhex|bsp:

Dibblah, well, if you WILL use discontinued architectures

[11:32:18]

justinh:

is anybody here running mythfrontend on a computer of some kind? ;)

[11:32:26]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, no, i run it on a toaster

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Daviey:

I've bought a new backed with 2TB of storage... annoyingly i don't have enough SATA cables... and the shops charge £5 ($10) each :(

[11:32:33]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, would you like any toast?

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justinh:

would love some toast right now. starving!

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directhex|bsp:

Daviey, i have about eleven billion spare sata cables

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, with cheez?

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justinh:

muxx: so next you're going to ask why you still need to deinterlace, right?

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Daviey:

directhex|bsp: fancy sending me a couple? :D

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justinh:

directhex|bsp: aye, cheez & brown sauce

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directhex|bsp:

Daviey, you can come & pick them up you lazy arse!

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Daviey:

directhex|bsp: where are you?

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muxx:

the problem I have is that XVideo doesn't seem to be supported in interlaced modes. and without the XVideo there is no colourspace conversion, scaling or (most importantly!), vblank syncronisation

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directhex|bsp:

Daviey, oxfordshire!

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Dibblah:

deinterlacing what should be an interlaced path is _evil_.

[11:33:56]

Daviey:

directhex|bsp: I'm Southampton... bit of a trek!

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justinh:

Dibblah: but necessary because interlaced modes generally don't have a field register the player can use

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Dibblah:

There is colorspace conversion. It's just done in software.

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directhex|bsp:

Daviey, up the M27 a bit. about an hour's drive

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justinh:

no use outputting fields in the wrong order

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muxx:

sure. that's not the point 8)

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justinh:

though somebody should tell Virgin Media that

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Daviey:

directhex|bsp: yeah, i went through oxford 3 times last month

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muxx:

I mean how can you possible use VGA->SCART adapter if there is no XVideo?

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Daviey:

directhex|bsp: How about using the uni postal system :D

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directhex|bsp:

i need to weboot to windows

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muxx:

the video is all choppy and there is tearing

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muxx:

is there a card that supports XVideo in interlaced modes?

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muxx:

rather a card with X drivers

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Dibblah:

pvr350.

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justinh:

muhahahaha

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justinh:

oh so sad

[11:36:30]

Dibblah:

Well, no, not xv really.

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muxx:

no. it doesn't have RGB

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muxx:

AFAICK

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justinh:

my svideo from the intel board is pretty damn hot

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Dibblah:

No, it has S-Vid.

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** directhex|bsp thinks that even though he's having issues, muxx deserves cake for having actually researched the problem **

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Dibblah:

justinh: You mean hawt.

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Dibblah:

;)

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justinh:

there isn't much to tell between svideo & RGB if you have a good TV

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muxx:

I need RGB. S-Video is easy

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directhex|bsp:

anyway... TO WINDOWS!

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justinh:

i.e if your TV keeps Svideo as svideo & not just combines Y&C with a fecking capacitator

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justinh:

;)

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muxx:

I would dispute that endlessly. on my 32" JVC the difference between RGB and S-Video is enormous

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justinh:

muxx: the only VGA card which does proper interlaced RGB SCART well is crap in so many other ways. and it's made by matrox

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muxx:

be that my linux xbox or my DVB-T ST BOX

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justinh:

muxx: so your TV sucks at its svideo then :)

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muxx:

sorry, wrong again. 8) I have G400 and G450. the static RGB picture is great. but there is no XVideo on the second head and no XVideo on interlaced mode

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justinh:

I put a test pattern as my desktop background, adjusted the overscan right etc & get well over 5.5Mhz bandwidth. that's over 500 lines

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muxx:

the colours and sharpness is not comparable, really

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justinh:

on my TV it is :)

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muxx:

maybe your TV sucks then 8)

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siXy:

"<muxx> I would dispute that endlessly" << oh good another endless debate xD

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justinh:

once you stop monging up the chroma & luminance on the same wire with nasty filter crap, there really isn't much to stuff up the picture quality anyway

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Dibblah:

Apart from £2 cables.

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justinh:

heh true

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muxx:

Ш р

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justinh:

can we ban unicode?

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Dibblah:

Shielding? That's running a shared ground line beside both of the signal cables, right?

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muxx:

I have tried S-Video vs. RGB on my ST box, G400, G450, ATI Rage128 PRO. it is not even comparable

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muxx:

sorry for the unicode there

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justinh:

I'll take your word for that

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muxx:

if you want, I can make a couple of pictures of tv. I just need to find a static picture to display on the ST box

[11:44:33]

justinh:

what we probably _would_ agree on is that there's less of a difference between svideo & RGB as there is between svideo & composite

[11:45:05]

muxx:

basically in RGB mode, a TV is pretty close to a monitor running interlaced in a low-res mode. the amount of colours that you get is not comparable to S-Video, even theoretically

[11:45:25]

Dibblah:

muxx: Ummm... Right.

[11:45:29]

justinh:

and seriously, the svid output of this intel thing is shit-hot. I was gobsmacked

[11:45:58]

Dibblah:

Theoretically, you're limited in chroma bandwidth, yes.

[11:46:18]

muxx:

you have 16 bits for chroma in the best case

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Dibblah:

But... Since the broadcast signal is going to be 420 anyway, it _doesn't matter_.

[11:46:23]

justinh:

Dibblah: but anything not within the capacity of chroma bandwidth would be out of gamut

[11:47:33]

Dibblah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_subsampling

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muxx:

can you not feel the difference when you switch your ST box from RGB to svideo?

[11:47:43]

Dibblah:

ST?

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muxx:

set top box. sorry, it wasn't you who mentioned it

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justinh:

muxx: not really, and my test signals seem to indicate I'm just not losing much the eye can see

[11:48:31]

muxx:

no, when it comes to colour reproduction of a TV signal, the can be not _much_ difference

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muxx:

but the sharpness of the picture is much higher with RGB

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Dibblah:

Unless you're taking about composite. Which is really nasty.

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muxx:

chroma subsampling has nothing to do with the range of colours

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Dibblah:

Ummm... Right.

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Dibblah:

It is related.

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muxx:

no, it is related to how colour information is applied to neighbouring pixels

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Solv:

Daviey, are you around still?

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Dibblah:

Okay. Take an example.

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muxx:

but not to the number of colours a system can reproduce

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Dibblah:

You have 10x10 chroma resolution over your screen.

[11:52:17]

muxx:

what is more important there is how many bits are allocated for 1/4/8 pixels for colour

[11:52:29]

CaptObviousman:

I suppose i can get away with not installing any of KDE, can't I

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Solv:

I just did a fresh reinstall...used the whole disk...came back in and ran mythtv-setup...found my cards, scanned the channels...set the listing to OTA, and started the frontend...says it can't connect to the backend...is it running???

[11:52:40]

Dibblah:

CaptObviousman: Yes.

[11:52:49]

Dibblah:

As long as you have _a_ window manager.

[11:52:56]

CaptObviousman:

well, yeah, icewm

[11:53:03]

CaptObviousman:

or fluxbox or something

[11:53:05]

Dibblah:

(Ratpoison used to be popular)

[11:53:11]

Dibblah:

I like evilwm.

[11:53:14]

muxx:

well, I thought we were talking about real life broadcast standards

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Solv:

IF I RUN /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart...says it wasn't running...but then starts it....the frontend says it connects to mythconverg okay...so what the heck is gong on?

[11:53:33]

Dibblah:

muxx: Let's just agree to disagree. ;)

[11:53:43]

CaptObviousman:

libqt is already installed, xserver and xserver-devel will be

[11:54:04]

CaptObviousman:

howto mentioned lame to compile mythtv, but do I need that for backend? (hope not)

[11:54:04]

muxx:

human eye cannot differentiate colours of neighbouring pixels as well as their brightness

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Dibblah:

Anyway. It's unlikely that you'll get consistently good output over VGA -> SCART.

[11:54:53]

Dibblah:

Since the field order (as justinh said) isn't represented in the signal.

[11:55:11]

blackest:

Solv i have similar problems mysql isn't starting fast enough so the backend gives up

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muxx:

in what signal

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Dibblah:

RGBHV.

[11:56:20]

CaptObviousman:

is qt4 still a no-no, or is this howto outdated?

[11:56:36]

justinh:

qt4 is still a nononnononono NO

[11:56:42]

muxx:

I DO get a consistently good output with right field order. the only thing I do not get is XVideo, which AFAIU is needed for mythtv in order to prevent tearing

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CaptObviousman:

duly noted

[11:57:05]

muxx:

composite sync has information on field order

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Solv:

blackest, you found a solution?

[11:57:38]

Solv:

if i try to restart mythtv-backend i get this: Restarting MythTV server: mythbackend No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.

[11:57:42]

muxx:

google for pre-equlising and post-equalising pulses within the vertical sync impulse

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blackest:

30 second delay in the startup script for the backend but thats an ugly hack

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Solv:

but if ir un /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start...it says it is already running...try using restart??????

[11:58:13]

justinh:

muxx: but when the driver isn't able to tell the player which field it's on, that's not relevant

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blackest:

now that is strange

[11:58:26]

muxx:

true!

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muxx:

AFAIK, XVideo standard just doesn;t have support for interlaced, right?

[11:59:03]

muxx:

and XVMC has?

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Solv:

this is a fresh install no changes no nothing of mythbuntu....???? i'm losing it cause i removed my working mythtv install to try mythbuntu...my gentoo install...now i don't know what i'm gonna do...arrghh

[11:59:33]

muxx:

is there a card that can do RGB out and XVMC? I suspect it is nvidia with bloody binary drivers

[11:59:49]

justinh:

muxx: nope

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Dibblah:

You could try Via.

[12:00:04]

Dibblah:

But that doesn't work nicely either.

[12:00:12]

muxx:

could you elaborate please?

[12:00:19]

justinh:

Via also don't make video cards :)

[12:00:53]

muxx:

basically my choice is simple right now. either keep my frontend running on an XBOX (RGB), or move to a PC with S-Video

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muxx:

xbox worked fine for me for three years, but its 64M of RAM are quite small for the recent frontends

[12:01:43]

muxx:

justinh> not good

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justinh:

the xbox isn't outputting interlaced video either – it still has to deinterlace interlaced content

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justinh:

oops I mean the xbox outputs interlaced video but still has to deinterlace interlaced content because the tv encoder input is still only progressive. messy

[12:03:50]

muxx:

нуyeah, that's one of the reasons!

[12:04:07]

muxx:

sorry for unicode again

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muxx:

I have to say though that I have very smooth movements when playing back DVB-T recordings on xbox. no tearing or anything, not choppy

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justinh:

pity nvidia don't offer RGB TV out. be dead easy for them to do

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justinh:

too late in the day for that now though..

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justinh:

so long, analogue video paths :)

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muxx:

КRGB is analogue too

[12:07:58]

muxx:

but I agree

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muxx:

has anyone tried sniffing around the video encoder's pins for RGB signals? these must be standard chips, conexant perhaps?

[12:08:53]

Solv:

YAY I fixed it....damn init wasn't actually starting mythbackend.....that's a bug

[12:09:23]

Solv:

anyone heer know ubuntu? how do i fix a broken init command?

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mzb_d800:

run it manually to find the error?

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justinh:

muxx: on most recent nvidia cards the encoder is built into the GPU. and you try sniffing around a BGA package

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muxx:

AFAIU, we do need an external encoder chip to take the progressive frame from the DAC and then interlace and do the colour conversions

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justinh:

muxx: no you just need to get a TV with DVI/HDMI :P

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muxx:

oops. sorry, I must be behind. on the ones I saw, these were separate packages

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muxx:

TRUE justinh

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muxx:

but I hate LCD TVs and plasmas are just a bit expensive

[12:11:20]

justinh:

I'm holding off buying one til the picture Q compares well to my CRT

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Solv:

mzb_d800, how does one run a service manually other than typeing in /etc/init.d/service start?

[12:11:37]

Dibblah:

Projector! :)

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justinh:

Dibblah: oh yeah nice running costs, shame about the darkness

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mzb_d800:

rptv ;)

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Dibblah:

Current projector is fine in full daylight.

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justinh:

I've yet to see a RPTV set that looked in focus

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mzb_d800:

Solv: take a look at the init ... you'll work it out

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Dibblah:

Obviously, indoor full daylight, but still.

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muxx:

is there a consensus that LCD TVs suck in comparison to CRTs when it comes to colour reproduction, or is it just me?

[12:12:54]

Dibblah:

Yes.

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justinh:

muxx: everything sucks compared to CRT except geometry

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mzb_d800:

justinh: the one I've got has an autofocus function (iirc)

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Dibblah:

However, once again, it comes down to "good enough".

[12:13:48]

Dibblah:

And for me, my projector is now "good enough" :)

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muxx:

what about all that DRM and protection bits? sorry, I did not do any research yet

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justinh:

muxx: on linux? what DRM? no DRM unless you use gstreamer :P

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justinh:

TVs haven't quite got to the point where they won't work with unencrypted sources. YET

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muxx:

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Dibblah:

Nope.

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muxx:

There

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mishehu:

DRM? Dick-in-Rear-Management ?

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mishehu:

heh

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muxx:

glad to hear that

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muxx:

but who knows that they will "invent" next

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Dibblah:

The chain of trust is only enforced by it's weakest member.

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siXy:

muxx: but the only attempt to make a CRT HDTV (by samsung) failed miserably.so if you want higher resolution, plasma is the only choice

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siXy:

or LCD if you have a bright room

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mishehu:

I could swear that I saw other crt hdtv's that weren't samsung

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Dibblah:

And it goes Hardware -> BIOS -> OS -> media source -> processing -> vid card -> display.

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mishehu:

granted, none were really any larger than 34", and they probably weighed as much as my car...

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muxx:

I know I may sound stupid, but I don't really see a reason for HDTV in my living room. the TV can only be placed in a corner, and it could not be larger than 32"

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justinh:

oh lordy. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/17/taser_parties/

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siXy:

mishehu: there may have been some recent ones that I have missed

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Dibblah:

If _any_ of those aren't "trusted" then content that _requires_ encryption won't display / will downscale.

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mishehu:

siXy: the ones I'm talking about are actually from about 1 1/2 to 2 years ago...

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siXy:

but to my knowledge, samasung are the only one to have atempted 1080i in CRT

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Dibblah:

justinh: Yeah, I commented on that.

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mishehu:

I see far less crt hdtv's these days than I did back then.

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mishehu:

siXy: that may be true.

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Dibblah:

Because having a single-shot very limited range weapon _really does_ make you invincible.

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mishehu:

justinh: taser parties? what, orgies got boring?

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justinh:

yeah they got tired of electroplay & felt the need to spice it up some

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mishehu:

problem is that the taser is *not* non-lethal

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Dibblah:

And... Well. Circumvention is just *too easy*.

[12:19:53]

Dibblah:

Conductive jacket.

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Dibblah:

Job done.

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mishehu:

one woman buying a taser for her 81 year old mother... oh yeah, I bet the woman can't drive a car, let alone aim a taser properly.

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mzb_d800:

she'll at least be safe when a rampant barn door comes her way ;)

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muxx:

somewhat related to the previous question: had anyone tried running mythfrontend with QTE/directfb?

[12:26:29]

muxx:

is vblank synchronisation implemented there?

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mzb_d800:

muxx: I did for a while, when I was trying to use a g400 ... the sync options are around somewhere

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muxx:

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mzb_d800:

reasonable ... but given the time+effort it was easier to get a gf4 card

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muxx:

mzb_d800> and with gf4 what do you get?

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muxx:

I assume S-Video or the component are the best you can get?

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mzb_d800:

possibility to do svideo or composite, cloned output, XVMC, more memory, faster GPU

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mzb_d800:

ie. mx420 minimum (the mx400 is gf2 iirc, and doesn't have xvmc)

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muxx:

cool. does XVMC free up a lot of CPU?

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muxx:

my gf2 doesn't have the TV chip and is unable to make interlaced signal

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mzb_d800:

I think it was somewhere between 10–25% saving

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muxx:

wow

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muxx:

is there much trouble with the proprietary drivers?

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mzb_d800:

enough to make a significant difference on a p3–650 (overclocked to 806)

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justinh:

muxx: getting directfb to work with mythtv (or vice-versa) would be a proper PITA

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mzb_d800:

no ... much easier to setup and maintain

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mzb_d800:

yes, it was a pain :|

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mzb_d800:

you'd have to be desperate

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justinh:

it's probably beyond the ability of most mere mortals

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muxx:

ok, I might give the directfb a try. I REALLY like the quality of RGB

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justinh:

there's a daft pci card I've seen somewhere which gives you RGB output using a conexant tv encoder

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muxx:

well, I was desperate enough to run backend+frontend with two DVB-T tuners on an xbox 8)

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justinh:

the company that makes it also does an RGB input framegrabber

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muxx:

wow

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muxx:

can you be more specific?

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justinh:

they do SDI in/out boards too

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muxx:

I was already thinking on taking my good old matrox and attaching a TV encoder chip to the first output myself

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justinh:

I can't remember the URL or the name of the company

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mzb_d800:

muxx: g400?

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muxx:

I have both G400 and G450

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muxx:

got RGB working with vblank in the framebuffer, but in X there is no XVideo

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anykey_:

anyone using an Intel graphics card here? Does opengl vsync work for you'

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anykey_:

?

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black_Nightmare_:

someone remind me again how you could determine roughly how much mb/s bandwidth you would need for a movie recording?

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justinh:

black_Nightmare_: depends on resolution & the kind of quality you want

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justinh:

SDTV about 6–9mbits/sec for good Q

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justinh:

HDTV.. much more

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black_Nightmare_:

320x240@15fps?

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black_Nightmare_:

(probably a thousand colours or somewhere like that)

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muxx:

depending on a codec. I'd say 300–500kbps

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black_Nightmare_:

ah ok...thanks

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muxx:

that's kilobits per second

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muxx:

but codecs as h264 can do these resolutions pretty well at even lower bitrates

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm so I guess that cpu load aside..it does sound plauseable to be able to hang a digitizer off a ecp1.5 parallel port in a pinch wouldn't it?

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muxx:

no

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muxx:

you mentioned a digitiser, not a HW encoder

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black_Nightmare_:

I mentioned 'movie recording'?

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muxx:

what I mean is before you can send the video stream over a parallel port, it has to be compressed

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Solv:

i give up trying to figure this out....can someone please help me fix the mythtv-backend init script for mythbuntu?? when i run mythbackend it runs fine and i can connect from frontend...when i run /etc/ini.d/mythtv-backend start...it says it has satrted but it actually hasn't...and the frontend can't connect

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muxx:

can you not use USB?

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black_Nightmare_:

muxx...both onboard usb ports are taken and there's no expansion slots free ^_^

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muxx:

you can buy a HW USB encoder for a fiver on ebay

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muxx:

if the bandwidth permits, use a hub

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mchou:

really? That include shipping? :)

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muxx:

8)

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black_Nightmare_:

and there used to be daystar, pinnacle, and a few other names of firewire a/v for cheap but for some reason they're all gone...not even on ebay -_-

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mchou:

ebay is known far charging $0.99 and $25 for shipping

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mchou:

/far/for

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black_Nightmare_:

muxx....thats where the problem lays... its just two usb1.1 and I'll say that they do get stuffed up at times (especially by the old cf reader)

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muxx:

щр

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muxx:

oh

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muxx:

what other ports do you have

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mchou:

black_Nightmare_: dude, howcome you're always using old computers?

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black_Nightmare_:

muxx....not as useful at all: nic, modem, one serial, midi, and irda

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muxx:

oh

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mchou:

black_Nightmare_: heh, at least you have midi

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black_Nightmare_:

mchou...its used by the yamaha piano here anyhow

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mchou:

what sequencer you got attached?

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black_Nightmare_:

;)

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mchou:

sigh.....

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mchou:

this is frustrating

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mchou:

anyone here a guru on drupal?

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black_Nightmare_:

hm well breakfast's ready so I'm going off for now

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black_Nightmare_:

see you both another time ok? ;)

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mchou:

laters

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anykey_:

If I had a dish with a two LNBs connected to the same capture card, I'd define a Switch, then two LNBs in the DiSeqC config, right?

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justinh:

anykey_: using 2.2 xorg with intel. opengl vsync works great

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justinh:

anykey_: and you'd not have 2 LNBs connected to the same capture card. you'd go through a switch :P

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justinh:

2 LNBs to the switch, then switch to the card

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anykey_:

justinh: yeah, I suppose the LNB has a built-in switch then

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justinh:

er.. no

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anykey_:

well, it's only one cable that comes out of it :p

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justinh:

well unless it does have.. and you know it has

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anykey_:

it's a monobloc LNB, used here to get both Astra & Hotbird

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anykey_:

anyway. If it had a switch (and I really think so), the first LNB I'd connect is DiSeqC A, and the second B, right?

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justinh:

so it must have a switchy built in then mustn't it? ;)

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anykey_:

the first/second LNB I connect to the "virtual" switch in the Diseqc settings, I mean

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gilligan_:

hi

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gilligan_:

is anyone here using that apple trailers plugin?

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gilligan_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_Apple_Trailers

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gilligan_:

for some reason the apple trailer item won't show up in the menu although i added the xml entry as described on the above page

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fryfrog:

man, i am *SOO* much happier with mplayer doing my x264 playback!

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directhex|bsp:

fryfrog, why?

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fryfrog:

the internal player was awful for those types of files

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directhex|bsp:

awful IWW?

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fryfrog:

dropped 2–3 frames every second, it was *hard* to watch w/o getting a little motion sick

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fryfrog:

stuttery (though the audio was smooth)

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fryfrog:

also, i couldn't pause, rewind or fast forward w/o the video freezing (audio kept playing)

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directhex|bsp:

HD?

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justinh:

the apple trailer thing isn't a plugin by any stretch of the imagination

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fryfrog:

yeah, HD

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directhex|bsp:

fryfrog, and did you enable threaded h264 decoding, using the threaded h264 decoding patch?

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fryfrog:

no, but i've been told it isn't a cpu issue

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fryfrog:

ffmpeg or libavcodec is just bad with .mkv file reading

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fryfrog:

it was GreyFoxx that pointed me to mplayer

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directhex|bsp:

and ogm too, but that's another matter

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

does the threading patch help with *that*? I suspect not?

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fryfrog:

I only get ~50% cpu usage on x264 playback with mplayer, with the stuttery internal it was like 100%+

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mzb:

is there a way to change the order of the videos when using mytharchive? (ie. order that appears on a created DVD)

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directhex|bsp:

yes. press enter and up a few times, at one of the points in configuring your mytharchive project

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mzb:

ok, thanks

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mzb:

yep, nice ... in the "Items Selected for Archive" page (that includes the Encoder Profile option)

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sebrock:

I get an error saying gnome_screensaver_control() when I try to play with mplayer... anyone knows how I stop this? -stop xscreensaver (as in manpage) says: Option stop needs a parameter

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sebrock:

is it possible to make a script that runs from MythVideo and starts mplayer with "dvdnav:/" on IMG and ISO files, and as usual otherwise?

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fryfrog:

sure

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fryfrog:

add an extension for "img" and "iso" and put that command in there.

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fryfrog:

i have one for .mkv myself

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sebrock:

fryfrog, Im a bit new to scripting. could you send me your script?

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sebrock:

I really dont understand

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fryfrog:

it isn't a script

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fryfrog:

goto mythvideo settings

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sebrock:

ok

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fryfrog:

find the spot to setup the players

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sebrock:

yeah

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sebrock:

I use mplayer

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fryfrog:

there is a spot in the menus, you can cycle through extensions

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fryfrog:

add a new one for "iso" and "img"

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sebrock:

ah, yes right

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sebrock:

I forgot that

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sebrock:

great thanks

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Toxicity999:

hmmm okay, I'm having this random speed up in playback issue still, and I just noticed it happening on my desktop as well as my mythbox, so it has to be some kind of backend issue.

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sebrock:

mythtv should be able to interpret a remote key pressed should it not? irw does... but when lowering volume in mythtv I have to press several times

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sebrock:

goes for all keys

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iamlindoro:

http://www.lirc.org/html/configure.html *cough* repeat *cough*

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fryfrog:

i think it queues them up?

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iamlindoro:

myth is fine, your config files are broken

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fryfrog:

so he needs to say, put in "repeat 2" or something?

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iamlindoro:

let *him* figure that out

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iamlindoro:

It never hurt anyone to RTFM ;)

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justinh:

iamlindoro: my reading muscle got strained once :(

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iamlindoro:

Heheh, well *not* reading the effin manual will strain your volume-key-finger, so I guess it's a tradeoff

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro: does this solve issues of queued up commands? or just when a command doesn't seem to register?

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fryfrog:

i really hate when myth sort of lags out and i might have hit up or back 2 or 3 times wondering if the key press registered

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fryfrog:

then i find myself *way* back :/

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iamlindoro_:

fryfrog, sorry, was driving to work-- No, doesn't handle queueing (nor, per se, does myth exactly queue them, it just sort of lags) but it does handle the interval between repeats when holding a key.

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro_: i see, thanks for the delayed response :)

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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iamlindoro_:

That said, I have noticed that I experience more of that lag in recent SVN... I have no doubt that it's correctable via some setting, but I had never seen it before either and haven't gotten to the bottom of it

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iamlindoro_:

menu-lag, that is

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wasabi:

myth have any sort of UPnP receiver support?

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/UPnP

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wasabi:

so no

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GreyFoxx:

nope, just a server

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iamlindoro_:

depends on what you mean by "receiver support" I guess

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iamlindoro_:

If you mean being a client, then no

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iamlindoro_:

but if you mean "can serve to uPNP receivers/clients"

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iamlindoro_:

then yes :)

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wasabi:

being a client.

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wasabi:

being a server isn't very useful... all my media is not on the myth box

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wasabi:

(to me)

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iamlindoro_:

Well, could just samba or nfs mount it if that's the issue

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Dr_willis:

The MythTV front end – does not have UPNP Client Functionality – It can not play media from other UPNP servers. (i think, is clear and concise)

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wasabi:

samba and Nfs both suck.

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wasabi:

Which is why I asked.

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iamlindoro_:

Well, I'll take NFS over *shudder* uPNP any day, but to each his own I suppose

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Dr_willis:

iamlindoro, i was just thinking that also...

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Dr_willis:

uPNP does seem tobe gtetting more popular. I think the latest WInamp even has upnp server support now.

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wasabi:

NFS requires too much configuration to setup and maintain.

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wasabi:

(for me)

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Dr_willis:

I wish the wii had upnp client. :( Then i could watch tv err.. on the tv.. :)

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iamlindoro_:

Well, I note you're logged in to #ubuntu-dev, among others... doesn't Ubuntu allow you to mount/share NFS and SAMBA permanently with its File Share control panel? I could be wrong, I just edit the config files

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iamlindoro_:

Not sure what you mean by "maintaining," though... I've never touched it again once setting up the shares

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Dr_willis:

I find the samba-fuse tools to be worth learning about.

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oobe:

does anyone know why i have never been able to use internal player to play h.264 files apperently it supports it

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iamlindoro_:

interesting about WinAmp having a uPNP server. I suppose anything that moves towards universal media accessibility is a goodish thing... although I suppose it's only a matter of time before we have uPNP2UltraMax that requires/supports/respects DRM

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iamlindoro_:

oobe, what container format?

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oobe:

im not sure

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oobe:

how do i find out

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iamlindoro_:

it definitely does support it... asking a stupid question, if it's something like MKV, did you add the file type to media settings?

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iamlindoro_:

what extension

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cesman:

oobe: filename.what?

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oobe:

mp4

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iamlindoro_:

ok, did you add mp4 to file types in mythvideo?

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oobe:

yeah if i tell Internal player to play it the screen goes blank for a few seconds then it closes

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oobe:

if i tell mythvideo to use mplayer it works fine

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iamlindoro_:

what version of myth are you running?

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oobe:

20.2

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iamlindoro_:

and, more helpfully, what does the frontend log say when you try?

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iamlindoro_:

would probably be easy to figure out if you can post frontend log

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iamlindoro_:

and, possibly relevant, the output of ffmpeg -i filename on the file in question

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oobe:

ok one sec i dont have fe logging enabled

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fryfrog:

oobe: it sucks

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oobe:

Stream #0.0(eng): Video: h264, yuv420p, 320x240, 29.97 fps(r)

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oobe:

Stream #0.1(eng): Audio: aac, 48000 Hz, stereo

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fryfrog:

oobe: mythvideo + internal player + mkv blows, use mplayer

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oobe:

im not talking about mkv

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iamlindoro_:

I think he's playing mp4 containers

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

nm then :)

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oobe:

besides i have a dual core processor

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fryfrog:

is that any better?

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fryfrog:

x264 in mkv is horrible with internal, and dual core don't matter

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fryfrog:

it just sucks at reading the .mkv container

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fryfrog:

from what GreyFoxx says

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iamlindoro_:

I think the issue with mkv is seeking, not straightforward playback

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oobe:

iamlindoro, that was the output of ffmpeg -i i just pasted

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fryfrog:

does a file "seek" during normal playback?

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iamlindoro_:

so long as you apply the multicore playback patch to plugins, it should *play* fine straight through

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iamlindoro_:

fryfrog, by seeking I mean skipping, ffward, rewind

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fryfrog:

cause i can't "seek" (ffwd, rwd, pause) at all, and playback on a dual core (and single core) was *really* skippy

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fryfrog:

like 2–3 dropped frames / sec

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fryfrog:

ah, i have not applied the multi-core patch

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fryfrog:

but not being able to pause really blows

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iamlindoro_:

fryfrog, I note you were playing HD and maxing out processor... applying the multithreaded playback patch should handle that

[17:55:57]

fryfrog:

well, internal hits 120% sometimes

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fryfrog:

but *mplayer* does 50% on the same file

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, oobe, yeah, all those formats should play fine, let's take a look at frontend

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fryfrog:

so mplayer it is :)

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iamlindoro_:

right, because your mplayer is playing multithreaded

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fryfrog:

why would that lower cpu usage?

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, I use mplayer for almost everything, so I'm one to talk :)

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fryfrog:

it should just spread it over the other core

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fryfrog:

he

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fryfrog:

er, hehe :)

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iamlindoro_:

oobe, sorry, that should have read frontend log

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oobe:

2007-12–18 04:57:47.991 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.

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oobe:

2007-12–18 04:57:47.991 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.

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iamlindoro_:

oobe, just pastebin the whole thing (pastebin.ca)

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oobe:

thats what happens when i try to watch it

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oobe:

but millions of times

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iamlindoro_:

oobe, how is your tv playbackj?

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oobe:

fine

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iamlindoro_:

and how many similar files have you tried to play, or is it just this one?

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iamlindoro_:

and what program created the fiel

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iamlindoro_:

er file

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fryfrog:

is your tv playback hd or sd?

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oobe:

[mpegts @ 0xb748c8b0]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94211

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oobe:

is what happens when i watch tv but i dont have any probs

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fryfrog:

i think that is maybe when it contains a second audio track? or maybe captions?

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oobe:

i have 7 seasons of buffy with that file

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fryfrog:

i see the same thing when i create thumbs during page load of mthweb recorded

[18:01:31]

fryfrog:

any reason you don't want to just use mplayer?

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oobe:

i dont know what program created the file

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oobe:

i prefer internal player

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fryfrog:

i concur, it is integrated much better

[18:02:03]

iamlindoro_:

oobe, I'd be interested in trying something like ffmpeg -i inputfile -acodec copy -vcodec copy outfile

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fryfrog:

but i'd rather have nicely playing x264 :)

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oobe:

but to tell you the truth im re download a lot of my 264 stuff as dvix and avoiding 264 in future

[18:02:24]

iamlindoro_:

which basically just takes it, copys the two streams, and repackages it cleanly with ffmpeg

[18:02:36]

iamlindoro_:

x264 wipes the floor with divx

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fryfrog:

oobe: why not mkv x264?

[18:02:47]

fryfrog:

that works great in mplayer too :)

[18:03:10]

iamlindoro_:

for quality per bit, nothing out there that matches x.264

[18:03:14]

fryfrog:

does anyone do dvd -> x264? is it better than xvid?

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iamlindoro_:

I do, and yes

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oobe:

i like stuff that plays in internal

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fryfrog:

er, better phrased... worth doing?

[18:03:39]

fryfrog:

iamlindoro_: do you specifiy an end file size generally or?

[18:03:50]

fryfrog:

ie, when i do xvid i use 1/3rd dvd 1493mb

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oobe:

plus most of the 264 rips i have are fairly low quality and the dvix ones im replacing them with are higher resolution

[18:04:10]

iamlindoro_:

fryfrog, yeah, I spec a output size of about 1.5 GB, but the quality vs xVid is noticably better on a two-pass

[18:04:15]

fryfrog:

i'd been thinking about x264, but wasn't sure what what size would be best

[18:04:20]

fryfrog:

ah

[18:04:33]

fryfrog:

so go for same size, get the increase in quality as benefit?

[18:04:35]

oobe:

so fixing this prob is a fairly moot point i was only asking cause i know its sposed to work

[18:04:41]

fryfrog:

instead of same quality, lower size?

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iamlindoro_:

fryfrog, yep

[18:04:48]

iamlindoro_:

fryfrog, it's your choice, really

[18:05:01]

iamlindoro_:

oobe, http://threebit.net/mail-archive/mythtv-dev/msg02333.html

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro_: of course, but i like opinions of others too :)

[18:05:15]

iamlindoro_:

take a look at that thread, I haven't read all the way through it, but it seems relevant

[18:05:23]

fryfrog:

also, i've no idea *what* a good similar quality, reduced size would *be*

[18:05:39]

iamlindoro_:

fryfrog, I mean you can opt for lower file size = same quality of xvid, or use more space and substantially better quality

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iamlindoro_:

basically, bit-for-bit, x.264 trounces everything else pretty handily

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fryfrog:

i see

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oobe:

thanks guys i think i will just leave it for now

[18:06:21]

fryfrog:

do you do all your transcoding on linux or?

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iamlindoro_:

I transcode my myth recordings using ffmpeg, rip DVDs using Handbrake on a mac

[18:07:02]

fryfrog:

and what container do you use, .mkv?

[18:07:05]

iamlindoro_:

but all to x.264

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fryfrog:

i see

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fryfrog:

know anything of any winblows tools?

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iamlindoro_:

and I use MP4... only because I had some initial issues with going straight to MKV out of ffmpeg... I probably could have made it work, but ultimately the overhead isn't that much larger so I just settled on that

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fryfrog:

do h264 type devices play x264 in mp4 container?

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iamlindoro_:

fryfrog, handbrake is available on PC too... it's super-simple and is basically a frontend for ffmpeg and x264.exe

[18:08:26]

iamlindoro_:

yep

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fryfrog:

neat

[18:08:38]

fryfrog:

but not x264 in .mkv?

[18:09:00]

iamlindoro_:

well, I'm sure it depends per-device

[18:09:14]

fryfrog:

ah

[18:09:34]

fryfrog:

i had no idea handbrake was on pc

[18:09:39]

fryfrog:

is it on linux too?

[18:09:52]

fryfrog:

bah, i are looks mahself

[18:10:11]

iamlindoro_:

cli only on linux, I beleive

[18:10:14]

fryfrog:

ah

[18:10:24]

fryfrog:

i can live w/ windows gui :)

[18:10:50]

fryfrog:

any tips from a person who is using it now?

[18:12:38]

iamlindoro_:

Just leave it at default settings, it's pretty intelligent... you can set filesize to whatever you like but it defaults to two pass, and is pretty quick

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fryfrog:

cool

[18:13:57]

justinh:

damn sandisk & their inscrutable unopenable packaging

[18:15:14]

oobe:

check out my glass wide with aria giovanni http://users.tpg.com.au/pokerrat/mythtvideo3.jpg

[18:16:04]

justinh:

not sure your mother would approve

[18:16:48]

oobe:

she would probably not mind to much either

[18:17:27]

fryfrog:

I'll see if the wife can tell the diff between a .mkv and .avi 1493mb (x264 vs. xvid) dvd :)

[18:17:35]

oobe:

i didnt like the default red curtains so i never did much with it until i noticed it could use any jpg or png

[18:17:55]

justinh:

oh darnit. forgot my "8 in 1" USB card thing was a con & it only takes CF & some massive thing

[18:18:45]

justinh:

need to buy a proper card slot thing so I can dump photos for the digital photo frames I'm giving away as presents

[18:19:21]

directhex:

fryfrog, the container is irrelevant in that scenario

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justinh:

unless the container has other stuff in it that mkv supports ;)

[18:20:30]

directhex:

justinh, well, yes, but that's not going to affect x264 beating xvid in image quality

[18:20:45]

directhex:

subtitle & chapter support aside

[18:20:46]

fryfrog:

true, i guess that is better phrased as xvid vs. x264

[18:21:15]

directhex:

then x264 is technically better. it's a test of your wife's eyesight more than anything else

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justinh:

avi would support metadata if people decided on a standard for it – there's plenty o room in them thar headers IIRC

[18:21:36]

fryfrog:

ha, nice bg :p

[18:21:48]

fryfrog:

yar, true!

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fryfrog:

does anyone make a .mkv / x264 / h264 dvd player? (like the divx/xvid ones)

[18:22:43]

justinh:

no idea, having been a mythtv user for so long I kinda ignore all the fuss about standalone gear now

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justinh:

and from what I've heard about less than instant-on times of HD players, I'm not in any hurry to find out either :)

[18:23:30]

oobe:

justinh, i noticed some end of convo about over writing glass-wide osd and bloottube wide files but didnt catch it all do you remember what you suggested as i would like to try it

[18:23:44]

justinh:

oobe: try the background from blootube-wide ;)

[18:23:54]

oobe:

what files is it called

[18:24:00]

iamlindoro_:

If it was by anyone, I think it would be by KISS... they have a lot of players that support Divx, xvid, etc.

[18:24:04]

justinh:

background.png

[18:24:39]

directhex:

fryfrog, never seen a set-top player which supports non-standard containers

[18:24:40]

oobe:

oh not from the osd dir

[18:24:41]

justinh:

in future I might call my image files by weird hex codes or something, but til then...

[18:24:47]

sebrock:

is it needed to edit sudoers file in order to execute a shutdown from irexec?

[18:24:51]

fryfrog:

that is the only drawback i can see to x264. i can burn a couple xvid/divx movies to a dvd and keep them around, potentially using them in one of those types of dvd players

[18:25:06]

iamlindoro_:

apparently the KISS DP-600 with do Divx, Xvid, x.264, all in standard def, and divx in HD

[18:25:15]

iamlindoro_:

er will do

[18:25:15]

directhex:

iamlindoro_, but not from mkv

[18:25:44]

oobe:

justinh, what file do i replace with background.jpg

[18:26:05]

iamlindoro_:

Meh, didn't look too far into it :)

[18:26:46]

justinh:

oobe: sudo cp ../blootube-wide/background.png background.png

[18:26:53]

justinh:

while in the glass-wide theme dir

[18:27:09]

** justinh chuckles at the sloppiness: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2258/2115784441_bb1fb002c7_o.png **

[18:27:32]

justinh:

what a way to spoil it

[18:27:45]

directhex:

iamlindoro, if you're using standard containers, then the xbox 360 or playstation 3 will work – h264 from .mp4 files, divx from .avi, and so on

[18:27:53]

oobe:

oh i was try to do it in the osd dir

[18:28:08]

directhex:

justinh, heh, took me a moment to spot it

[18:28:17]

iamlindoro_:

Ah, good old.. um "DH?"

[18:28:40]

justinh:

directhex: not overscan safe either. v. bad

[18:28:44]

directhex:

iamlindoro_, that's me!

[18:28:58]

directhex:

justinh, overwho?

[18:29:02]

justinh:

is it ready for "DuH" ?

[18:29:15]

iamlindoro_:

directhex, I'm not the one looking for the playback... I'm satisfied with my mythbox :)

[18:29:40]

justinh:

directhex: you know, that thing the setup menus disregard despite the theme design guide mentioning it

[18:30:20]

directhex:

justinh, myth has a design guide? is having eleven billion menu options mandatory?

[18:30:50]

fryfrog:

http://pastebin.ca/820660 <-- anyone know why modprobe might have a page allocation failure?

[18:31:06]

justinh:

it's not a half bad effort truth be told. IMHO it's a bit lame that it's another mediaportal skin though

[18:31:54]

directhex:

justinh, if the apps look the same, then the only difference between them is the quality of the backend etc!

[18:32:42]

justinh:

and who knows where the graphics come from. still, if it's ok for windows users to pillage them from wherever google images finds them..

[18:33:11]

justinh:

it's given me a lot of good ideas for the (cough) next thing

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justinh:

wow. this kinda makes it look like these guys have a sort of plan or something : http://www.team-mediaportal.com/news/global/a . . . ortal_2.html

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directhex:

"As you can see there is no Tv or Radio yet. Infinity will be an alpha release which is not feature complete."

[18:37:13]

fryfrog:

erm, is there a ivtv channel?

[18:37:26]

directhex:

and MPI is something entirely different. way to re-use acronyms!

[18:37:28]

fryfrog:

#ivtv, #ivtv-users and #ivtvdriver don't seem to exist?

[18:37:36]

justinh:

heheheh

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justinh:

fryfrog: used to be a #ivtv-devel IIRC

[18:38:20]

justinh:

awww bless. the xface skin homepage has plenty of comments.. 4:3 please! LOL

[18:38:37]

justinh:

so it's not just me then

[18:38:58]

gbee:

glad to see we're not the only ones facing that complaint ;)

[18:39:34]

oobe:

does anyone know where i can get more transparent OSD's from i like Gray-OSD and glass-wide is ok but i want more

[18:39:37]

directhex:

4:3 themes should be altered to only work on pvr350s :)

[18:39:50]

** jams never gets those comments **

[18:39:53]

justinh:

whoah and plenty of very negative comments about it too

[18:40:08]

justinh:

I feel pretty lucky now

[18:40:24]

directhex:

justinh, kids today expect perfection, free, instantly

[18:40:27]

justinh:

oobe: 'ok'? make your own then. OK

[18:40:36]

gbee:

oobe: upgrade to SVN and you can use metallurgy http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html#OSD

[18:40:55]

oobe:

does metallurgy only work on svn

[18:40:57]

fryfrog:

gbee: oh, i have been meaning to mention a minor bug

[18:40:59]

gbee:

yes

[18:41:00]

justinh:

if you don't like it, don't use it :P

[18:41:18]

fryfrog:

i could not mess with the "command" to launch for mythvideo for file extensions

[18:41:28]

gbee:

people wonder why I'm not 100% behind a windows port of mythtv and there's your reason

[18:41:42]

fryfrog:

ie, "mkv" i could create, but then the box underneath where i'd put "mplayer blah blah" i can't actualy *do* that

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gbee:

fryfrog: works here, what version are you using of SVN? Since it depends on code changes

[18:43:09]

fryfrog:

running v ersion from... a week or two ago, but not the latest of *your* skin so lemme up date now

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justinh:

what difference would the theme make to a text entry box working or not? I'm confuzzled

[18:45:15]

gbee:

fryfrog: well the SVN version should be all that matters, assuming that the version of the theme you are running includes the mythvideo themed parts

[18:45:36]

gbee:

justinh: it's one of the things I change from a blackhole to a proper text edit widget

[18:45:46]

justinh:

oh yeah. that'd do it

[18:46:02]

justinh:

but then most other themes would spit that out too

[18:46:13]

fryfrog:

may as well compile latest svn then :0

[18:46:18]

gbee:

so the theme, instead of saying <blackhole> blah, blah </blackhole> is now <remoteedit> blah

[18:46:24]

justinh:

heehee. it's even becoming important to run the right version of _theme_.. muhahahaha

[18:46:54]

justinh:

R.I.P. 4:3

[18:46:56]

gbee:

one of those things that needed fixing, so I'm not sorry about it ;)

[18:47:06]

Yutlin:

Hey everyone, can anyone tell me why my front-end grinds to a halt when I choose OpenGL as the paint engine? I'm using the onboard video from my ASUS P5E-VM HDMI (Intel G35 chipset).

[18:47:39]

directhex:

Yutlin, is your DRI working?

[18:47:46]

directhex:

Yutlin, and which theme are you using?

[18:48:00]

justinh:

please say memory-eater-big-git-wide

[18:48:23]

gbee:

more likely G.A.N.T that alphapulse kills even my nvidia powered system

[18:48:32]

justinh:

and for what? ;)

[18:48:38]

Yutlin:

directhex: not familiar with DRI. As for theme, I've tried a couple but I'm currently using ProjectGrayhem-wide.

[18:48:47]

gbee:

heh

[18:49:02]

directhex:

gbee, any animation kills systems. there's no slowdown routines

[18:49:06]

justinh:

stop using that theme & use a proper one. it sucks proper style

[18:49:46]

justinh:

oh gawd! even a core2 duo mobile is too hot for a silverstone LC02 case! WTH

[18:49:51]

gbee:

justinh: stop being so modest, just because you don't like it anymore doesn't mean that it sucks

[18:49:59]

justinh:

gbee: oh it so does :)

[18:50:39]

Yutlin:

directhex: Could you explain DRI and how I can check if it's working. Also, should I be using a different theme?

[18:50:44]

justinh:

I'm itching to revamp stuff but I know how much work is coming down the pipe later on

[18:51:03]

directhex:

Yutlin, DRI as in functional 3d acceleration. run "glxinfo | grep direct"

[18:51:03]

justinh:

PG-wide isn't known for being a memory-hungry theme tbh. should be ok

[18:51:53]

justinh:

come the revolution it'll be getting a new name since it seems to have forgotten its roots ;)

[18:52:50]

Yutlin:

directhex: direct rendering: No OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect

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directhex:

Yutlin, you have no opengl. you cannot use opengl

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justinh:

Yutlin: them thar be yar problem

[18:53:09]

Yutlin:

indeed

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Yutlin:

any tips on if/how I could get OpenGL working?

[18:53:21]

justinh:

modprobe some stuff

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directhex:

it's intel. it ought to JustWork

[18:53:37]

directhex:

check your xorg.0.log

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Yutlin:

that's what I though

[18:53:44]

Yutlin:

thought

[18:53:44]

justinh:

mine needed some prodding

[18:53:48]

Yutlin:

ok

[18:54:06]

justinh:

i915

[18:55:22]

justinh:

oh and I didn't have the DRM stuff installed. u-bum-too didn't have it there on installation

[18:55:30]

justinh:

dunno what was up with that

[18:55:59]

Yutlin:

here's the latest from my Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.ca/820713

[18:56:12]

justinh:

aye I needed to install libdrm2

[18:56:43]

justinh:

that's not all of the log

[18:57:13]

Yutlin:

ok, I'll grab the whole shabang

[18:57:19]

justinh:

anyway see if installing libdrm2 fixes it. I reckon it might

[18:57:49]

justinh:

what I said before about the modprobe thing was guff. X & the intel driver should take care of it

[18:58:07]

Yutlin:

justinh: how do I go about the libdrm2 install?

[18:58:15]

justinh:

depends on your distro

[18:58:23]

Yutlin:

mythbuntu (so ubuntu)

[18:58:25]

justinh:

I thought ubuntu would've come with it

[18:58:26]

Yutlin:

just apt-get?

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justinh:

sudo apt-get install libdrm2

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Yutlin:

yup, it's already newest

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justinh:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/xorg.conf is my .conf file. have a peek & see if anything leaps out at you

[19:01:31]

Yutlin:

I'll take a look. I'm pretty new to this though so I doubt anything will leap out at me :)

[19:01:35]

justinh:

jesus I don't tell it very much & it still works

[19:01:39]

Yutlin:

In the meantime, here is my full log: http://pastebin.ca/820741

[19:03:38]

justinh:

I was getting that : #

[19:03:39]

justinh:

(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)

[19:04:02]

justinh:

that was what I fixed by installing libdrm IIRC

[19:04:14]

Yutlin:

odd

[19:04:27]

Yutlin:

should I try to force a reinstall or something?

[19:05:03]

justinh:

no idea. shouldn't harm

[19:07:41]

Yutlin:

know how to force reinstall?

[19:08:30]

iamlindoro_:

apt-get install --reinstall

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Yutlin:

do I need libgl1-mesa-dri?

[19:08:35]

Yutlin:

thanks iamlindoro

[19:12:04]

justinh:

doh that was it!

[19:12:07]

justinh:

not libdrm

[19:12:25]

Yutlin:

aha, looks like that isn't installed

[19:12:46]

justinh:

sorry my memory is like a seive today. and it was like a week ago I had to do it

[19:13:01]

justinh:

that should do the trick

[19:13:27]

Yutlin:

awesome. Just for the record, what is this actually doing?

[19:14:08]

justinh:

installing stuff it needs for what little 3d acceleration you have to work ;)

[19:14:52]

Yutlin:

heh, and I take it mythbuntu doesn't install this by default because it's not needed?

[19:14:56]

justinh:

"This version of Mesa provides GLX and DRI capabilities: it is capable of both direct and indirect rendering. For direct rendering, it can use DRI modules from the libgl1-mesa-dri package to accelerate drawing."

[19:15:17]

Yutlin:

I see :)

[19:16:09]

Yutlin:

Hooray! direct rendering: yes

[19:16:38]

justinh:

ding dong

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Yutlin:

Thank you gentlemen!

[19:17:22]

justinh:

you're very welcome

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justinh:

are you going to be using tv out in PAL mode btw?

[19:18:09]

justinh:

actually no, remembering your xorg log. never mind

[19:18:17]

Yutlin:

no, everything is going out the HDMI port and should be NTSC (expcept for the ocassional DVD)

[19:18:42]

directhex:

intel HDMI? neat

[19:18:45]

Yutlin:

Now if I could only get audio to go out over HDMI things would be great

[19:18:48]

Yutlin:

yea!

[19:19:00]

Yutlin:

It's the new ASUS P5E-VM HDMI.

[19:19:15]

justinh:

Yutlin: maybe unmute IEC958 in alsamixer or your nice GUI linux mixer applet

[19:19:16]

Yutlin:

Supposed to be able to do 7.1 PCM too.

[19:19:56]

justinh:

I found weird things happen with analogue audio when I output AC3/DTS over passthru

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justinh:

I can live with it but I'd rather not

[19:20:09]

Yutlin:

justinh: I tried that. I can't remember the command but when I checked the card ouptuts it listed analog and digital (and I'm assuming the digital is the coax digital)

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justinh:

Yutlin: yeah but it needs to be unmuted, not just reported as 'present' ;)

[19:21:30]

Yutlin:

sorry, I was confusing. That was meant to be 2 separate statement.

[19:22:05]

Yutlin:

I've unmuted the IEC958 in the mixer with no luck

[19:22:32]

justinh:

maybe time to consult the manual for the board

[19:22:37]

Yutlin:

I'm guessing that the drivers aren't seeing the HDMI output because it only listed the 2 outputs (1 analog and 1 digital)

[19:23:05]

justinh:

Yutlin: more likely that whatever goes out the digital port is also going to the HDMI socket

[19:23:15]

justinh:

again I'd suggest looking in the manual

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Yutlin:

I haven't been able to find anything in the BIOS that would enable/disable HDMI audio

[19:31:00]

Yutlin:

there is a setting for enable/disable High Definition Audio but it is enabled

[19:31:44]

xand:

FFS

[19:31:54]

Dibblah:

justinh: http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/driver/ . . . d150b96167b2

[19:31:55]

xand:

why are my freeview virgin1 recordings always completely blank?

[19:32:05]

xand:

is it a non-free channel now? :|

[19:32:11]

Dibblah:

They're virgin files.

[19:32:14]

Dibblah:

Badda boom.

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xand:

ha

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Dibblah:

xand: Seriously, have you rescanned since the change?

[19:32:50]

xand:

what change?

[19:36:11]

xand:

did they change the channel?

[19:36:38]

Dibblah:

I have no idea.

[19:36:54]

Dibblah:

But I'd guess if you're saying "it should be non-free"...

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xand:

I'm not saying that

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xand:

just asking if it was

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xand:

guess I should see if I can watch it

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xand:

hmm that's working.

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Yutlin:

Anyone have a tip on how/if I can adjust the sensitivity for my remote control? If I press a button repeatedly rather quickly mythtv only respondes to the first press (although irw shows each press). I have to wait a moment before pressing the button again for mythtv to responde to the button again.

[19:42:48]

** iamlindoro_ gets deja vu **

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xand:

hmm

[19:43:21]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.lirc.org/html/configure.html *cough* repeat *cough*

[19:43:23]

iamlindoro_:

hehehe

[19:43:32]

iamlindoro_:

now I posted the same link and made the same sarcastic comment ;)

[19:43:47]

xand:

it didn't record one program on virgin1, then it did record another a few days later, then the one today it didn't record either :| where "didn't record" means it's a completely blank picture with no sound, just a coloured rectangle at bottom-right of the screen :|

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Yutlin:

iamlindoro: thanks! Looks like I've got some reading to do.

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phrag:

hi guys, i am runnign Opensuse 10.3 with a Haupague Nova-T 500 PCI card. MythTV is working, but my remote is not picked up at all, does not seem to correspond to any /dev/input/event* and is not mentioned in dmesg... any ideas please, i am at my wits end =P

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CaptObviousman:

so when I'm reading up on this pcHDTV HD-5500, it says "All-software HDTV decoder" under features

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CaptObviousman:

why is that considered a feature? That sounds like a drawback to me

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fryfrog:

CaptObviousman: I dunno what it even means, HDTV is already in MPEG2 format... so all it is doing is dumping it from the air -> hard drive

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fryfrog:

maybe that is "all software"?

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CaptObviousman:

seems fishy

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Wulfie:

hey folks – I am thinking of setting up a box just for PLAYING (not encoding) stuff, but I want it to do HD. Any suggestions on base CPU/RAM for this?

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fryfrog:

having an mpeg2 encoder would be redundant and reduce quality, let alone increasing the price a ton because you'd need a decoder then an encoder :p

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** CaptObviousman is also trying to figure out what happens to audio streams **

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fryfrog:

HD as in OTA FTA?

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fryfrog:

or HD as in h264/x264?

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Wulfie:

lets say both for now

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fryfrog:

CaptObviousman: My *guess* is that the entire stream is just captured to disk, no filtering/changes to the stream in real time.

[20:01:47]

fryfrog:

just a guess though

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fryfrog:

I'd say the cheapest dual core Intel or AMD you can find.

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Wulfie:

thats what I figured

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fryfrog:

I put an AMD 4600+ X2 in my frontend and it does fine for x264 playback with *mplayer* (the internal player doesn't like .mkv files)

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fryfrog:

Previously, it was a single core 3200+

[20:02:56]

Wulfie:

any problems with that one?

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CaptObviousman:

this would be my guess too. But still, these guys are fucking smart, why put that on there

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fryfrog:

it did fine with OTA HD (atsc, qam) but struggles a little on x264

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** CaptObviousman files that thought away for later **

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fryfrog:

*BUT* if i'd switched to mplayer, maybe it would have been fine too :/

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fryfrog:

CaptObviousman: seems a bit retarded :0

[20:04:11]

fryfrog:

the 3 or 4 good hdtv cards all seem to work the same / fine in myth :)

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Dibblah:

Personally, ignore AMD.

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fryfrog:

i think you can safely pick based on price between those few

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Dibblah:

Core2 is nicer in general :)

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fryfrog:

Depends what era / price you are looking at

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fryfrog:

anything that isn't core2, amd is better

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** CaptObviousman is a fan of C2D **

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fryfrog:

for the most part

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wasabi:

So what sort of CPU power is required for 1080p type stuff?

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wasabi:

h264

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CaptObviousman:

but whatever works

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Dibblah:

wasabi: Depends.

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wasabi:

Are any of the decoders parallel?

[20:05:12]

Dibblah:

There are various flavors.

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Dibblah:

Again, depends on the source material.

[20:05:26]

fryfrog:

wasabi: I haven't tried a 1080p file yes, but 720p .mkv x264 does fine on amd64 4600+

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wasabi:

Well, lets pretend I was trying to buy a machine that should play all 1080p.

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fryfrog:

s/yes/yet

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Dibblah:

wasabi: Doesn't exist at the moment.

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Dibblah:

Might do on Windows.

[20:05:55]

wasabi:

Lack of software or hardware speed?

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CaptObviousman:

heh

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CaptObviousman:

1080p is a lot of data

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fryfrog:

is 720p so much easier than 1080p?

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wasabi:

I don't think the goal of my question is being answered.

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Dibblah:

No accelleration of x264.

[20:06:22]

wasabi:

I'm budgeting hardware.

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CaptObviousman:

720p =~ 1080i, which is half bandwidth of 1080p

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Dibblah:

Argh.

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fryfrog:

wasabi: where are you going to even *get* 1080p content?

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wasabi:

fryfrog: some anime is in it

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CaptObviousman:

hd-dvds maybe

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fryfrog:

blu-ray/hd-dvd ?

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wasabi:

I've already got some anime downloads which totally will not play on my machine.

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fryfrog:

ah

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wasabi:

Naw, Japanese stuff.

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** CaptObviousman boggles at hand-drawn cartoons in 1080p **

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fryfrog:

i'll have to hunt one down and see

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wasabi:

Not even subbed.

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CaptObviousman:

WHY?!?

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fryfrog:

yeah, that is kind of dumb

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fryfrog:

unless it is CGI cartoons?

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wasabi:

capt, because it's not all hand drawn.

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wasabi:

half/half

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wasabi:

it does look wonderful.

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CaptObviousman:

if it's rendered, yeah that's another thing

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wasabi:

just plays at 2fps for me. :0

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CaptObviousman:

like animatrix

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CaptObviousman:

hehe, slideshow

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fryfrog:

I'd like to se Planet Earth in 1080p :)

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wasabi:

None of the anime these days is actually hand drawn you know.

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fryfrog:

i'd buy a blu-ray/hd-dvd standalone player for that

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Dibblah:

fryfrog: BBC HD.

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wasabi:

I mean, it's originally hand drawn.

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wasabi:

But then vector traced.

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** CaptObviousman was exaggerating with the hand-drawn **

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wasabi:

And usually animated in a 3D-like app.

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CaptObviousman:

true

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CaptObviousman:

yes yes you've prove dyour point =P

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wasabi:

Shit, south park uses a 3D design studio or some shit now.

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CaptObviousman:

so, question regarding audio from OTA streams

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CaptObviousman:

what exactly does the card DO with it?

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wasabi:

ATSC?

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fryfrog:

CaptObviousman: the audio is part of the mpeg2

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CaptObviousman:

is the audio packaged in the mpeg2 stream with the video, or is it an offset carrier?

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Dibblah:

CaptObviousman: It's just a mpeg2 / h264 stream.

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fryfrog:

it just dumps it to disk

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Dibblah:

The card doesn't do anything with it.

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wasabi:

All it does is tune it.

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fryfrog:

tune it and fart it all out

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CaptObviousman:

so literally ALl the capture card is doing is pulling the data off of cable and throwing it onto a hard drive

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wasabi:

And decode the waves into it's binary.

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wasabi:

Yup

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fryfrog:

like a pci card with diariah

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CaptObviousman:

man, why $129 for a farter card then? =)

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CaptObviousman:

hahaha

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wasabi:

because that's hard to do

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CaptObviousman:

that's disgustingly hilarious

[20:10:22]

Dibblah:

Yeah, you need a speaker and everything.

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CaptObviousman:

yeah, I'm gonna buy it anyway, unless someone here suggests something else

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wasabi:

The stuff on the air isn't 1's and 0's that you can just pick up and write to disk. :0

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CaptObviousman:

the hd-5500

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wasabi:

It's a very complicated modulated analog signal. Stuff like adaptive equilization to synchronize multiple ways. Very fine tuned instruments to decode wave lengths into bits.

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justinh:

anime.. is much of it even full frame rate? I thought they just did 5 frames a minute & dissolved between them in every one

[20:11:04]

fryfrog:

i use air2pc cards

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CaptObviousman:

hmm, ok then, so now myth software is pulling the stream off of a hard drive

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fryfrog:

if you are doing OTA, you can do like... gen 1 cards for $50 from ebay

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CaptObviousman:

it pulls the audio out and then, what does it do with it?

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wasabi:

Plays it? It's mpeg.

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fryfrog:

if you need qam, gen... 3 i think? and they are like $130

[20:11:39]

CaptObviousman:

well, I'm doing OTA for now, I might get a satellite box this year

[20:11:48]

wasabi:

You're screwed with HD on a satellite.

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fryfrog:

CaptObviousman: the file it creates, you could play it with xine or mplayer

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CaptObviousman:

poop

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fryfrog:

yeah, htat card won't carry over well to STB :/

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CaptObviousman:

I can't get cable, my apt complex isn't tied into the cable grid =(

[20:12:12]

wasabi:

You can't much use digital cable with Myth either.

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fryfrog:

you'd want to do analog hardware mpeg2 and svideo :(

[20:12:18]

wasabi:

Or at least, not most of the channels.

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fryfrog:

wasabi: sort of not true

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CaptObviousman:

ewww, svideo? no thanks

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justinh:

Dibblah: thought for a sec that was going to be my PAL change :P

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wasabi:

Depends on your cable company and their encryption.

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fryfrog:

wasabi: with a firewire STB and luck, you might get it all

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wasabi:

Yeah. With luck. :0

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CaptObviousman:

fucking Time Warner, bastards to the hilt

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CaptObviousman:

and if not them, then Comcast, which is even worse

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justinh:

and better than it is now..? whoohooo!

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fryfrog:

i think i've seen more lucky people than not :)

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wasabi:

Oh?

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justinh:

xand: blank virgin1 recordings eh? I bet you're using radiotimes

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CaptObviousman:

wait a sec, you're syaing I can get a feed from the satellite box from firewire?

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fryfrog:

yeah, its like picking between daming your soul to eternal hell with the devil or daming your soul to the devil for all eternity where he will ass rape you

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justinh:

xand: they don't start broadcasting til 6pm on Freeview :P

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wasabi:

CaptObviousman: We're saying maybe. Depends on your provider.

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fryfrog:

CaptObviousman: *if* the sat box has it/does it. I *think* for firewire from Sat, you almost always have to buy a box that has been modified to add it.

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fryfrog:

which is perfectly legit/legal, afaik?

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wasabi:

Grey area probably with the DMCA

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** CaptObviousman needs to move somewhere he can get Verison FiOS **

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justinh:

very grey

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wasabi:

capt, why would fios be any better?

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fryfrog:

well, i *think8 most of these sat boxes you can do it to have the *place* for firewire, but no port?

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CaptObviousman:

what kinda set top boxes does Verizon give, anyone know?

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fryfrog:

fios == iptv?

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wasabi:

Smae shit.

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justinh:

also very hard to track down these days I think you'll find, wasabi :)

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CaptObviousman:

nah, I wanna do that for the internet

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fryfrog:

and iptv supported by myth?

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wasabi:

FiOS is not iptv.

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fryfrog:

oh

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wasabi:

Only their on demand is iptv.

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wasabi:

The rest is basically broadcast.

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fryfrog:

so does anyone do iptv?

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wasabi:

Verizon does for their on demand stuff.

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fryfrog:

how could they do that over fibre?

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justinh:

IPTV.. schmeye-pee teevee. blimmin locked down DRM'd to the hilt BS

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wasabi:

Very heavily encrypted.

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CaptObviousman:

so I'd have to tap from the set top box again

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fryfrog:

yeah, hd is a big crap fest :(

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wasabi:

CaptObviousman: There is no premium HD content that I'm aware of in the US that is delivered unencrypted to the house, except over the air.

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CaptObviousman:

so I'm quickly learning

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justinh:

the good idea with IPTV is that in theory you might not even need a PVR. just watch whatever, whenever

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fryfrog:

i'd almost just go with a HD DVR from sat/cable if that is what you *really* want :(

[20:15:58]

wasabi:

CaptObviousman: Everything else relies on the providers STB to decrypt and output. Depends where it outputs.

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CaptObviousman:

no, I don't really want that

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CaptObviousman:

the bastards at my apt complex won't let us install dishes. They have a master dish and they farm signal off of that

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justinh:

the bad thing about IPTV is that they can slap a whole load more propriatary crap on top & force you into using their box completely & do whatever they want billing wide

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fryfrog:

from who?

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fryfrog:

dtv?

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fryfrog:

dish network?

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Kernel:

hmm im just reading your convo...digital cable is realy hit or miss with tv cards in linux?

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CaptObviousman:

only problem is, you can't get the free install and free hardware deal from DTV that way

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fryfrog:

Kernel: true

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Kernel:

my house is about to switch to digital cable :-|

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wasabi:

Kernel: There is no digital cable with "tv cards". With firewire, maybe.

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justinh:

Kernel: depends. in Europe it's pretty much open & plenty of linux support

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fryfrog:

Kernel: also, digital cable via firewire from STB is *also* hit or miss

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CaptObviousman:

they make you call the contractor, who sets up the account for you. Backwards of normal

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Kernel:

damn damn damn

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fryfrog:

wasabi: not true, hd tuner cards that do QAM

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justinh:

please remember we're not all USA/Canada folks

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Kernel:

yea. im in usa.

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fryfrog:

will get you the FTA OTA HD channels for sure (almost)

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Kernel:

using comcrap

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justinh:

Kernel: YMMV

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wasabi:

fryfrog: What percentage of the timewarner/comcast do you think is unencrypted?

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fryfrog:

and a lot of other crap channels like qvc

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Kernel:

ymmv?

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wasabi:

I'd wager not much

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CaptObviousman:

knowing those bastards, as little as possible

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fryfrog:

wasabi: legally, they are required to carry the ota/fta stuff unencrpted

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CaptObviousman:

public access maybe

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justinh:

Kernel: your mileage may vary

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fryfrog:

the rest of the HD channels are of course encrypted

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wasabi:

Ahh. So, you mine as well just use OTA.

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Kernel:

ah

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CaptObviousman:

I pretty much only watch NFL football

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Kernel:

ive only been using mythtv for a few months too....

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fryfrog:

yeah, unless you don't want to buy / install an ant

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CaptObviousman:

don't watch regular TV, though I wish I had ESPN

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wasabi:

If you disagree with these dudes business practices, don't give them money. That's my opinion. :0

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CaptObviousman:

if I had ESPN I'd never get anything done at home =P

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justinh:

wasabi: that'd be my plan

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Kernel:

guess itll be back to my old crappy 13 in tv. lol...and i just got this badass 24 inch monitor so i COULD watch tv on my puter :-|

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xand:

justinh: yes I am.... hmm maybe that's why... what time do they stop?

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fryfrog:

I don't mind renting a firewire STB from the cable co, if it gives me all channels unecrypted

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fryfrog:

which mine does in ATL

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CaptObviousman:

ok, so you people might know this

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CaptObviousman:

what is a cable card, and how do they work

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wasabi:

Yeah. I wouldn't mind that too.

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fryfrog:

but the HD DVR w/ firewire I had was *flakey* as all get up

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wasabi:

Can you tune over FW or do you have to use a ir blaster?

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fryfrog:

all the STBs I have had, i tuned over firewire

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wasabi:

That's nice at least.

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fryfrog:

in fact, i think you can tune *more* over firewire than you can actually capture from

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fryfrog:

so if you do svideo capture, you might still tune via firewire

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justinh:

xand: 6am I think

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justinh:

xand: I use EIT for Virgin1

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justinh:

saved me making a custom record rule or hacking a clause into the grabber

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CaptObviousman:

so it's hit or miss, whether you get a STB that will support myth?

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justinh:

xand: oops! they're only on for 6 hours a day at the mo

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justinh:

xand: oops again. damn my crap brain. 6PM-6AM. 12 hours. rumour has it they're going 24hr soonish

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CaptObviousman:

are there examples/walk throughs of how to use STB and firewire with a myth box?

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** CaptObviousman is having a hard time grasping this **

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xand:

good

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fryfrog:

CaptObviousman: no, it is hit or miss if the output over firewire is encrypted

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fryfrog:

well, it is also a bit hit or miss if the STB is supported too

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fryfrog:

but you should be able to get a good idea of what STBs are being provisioned from the intarwebs

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fryfrog:

setting up firewire with myth is probably *easier* than a pci card

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fryfrog:

plug in firewire cable to computer and stb, configure myth to use it as input

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fryfrog:

if you are lucky, Done!

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iamlindoro_:

but, more or less, you can get analog out of a set-top-box, one way or another... firewire/5C Encryption are probably the most hit-or-miss parts of that

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fryfrog:

otherwise, you might have to do some firewire troubleshooting

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justinh:

if you are not lucky, proceed directly to a nearby roof & jump off :P

[20:26:26]

wasabi:

How much mpeg data is streamed for 1080i?

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fryfrog:

yeah, analog is a for sure

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fryfrog:

10?

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justinh:

wasabi: max 18Mbits/sec AFAIK

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iamlindoro_:

wasabi, bitrates vary wildly

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justinh:

if you're lucky

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wasabi:

18Mbits/sec is way easier to capture on a CPU than encoding analog.

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fryfrog:

19mbit is the max for ota hdtv afair

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iamlindoro_:

but Justinh is right, I usually see 17–19 Mbit

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justinh:

if it's any consolation for you, res for res we have a much higher bitrate in the UK for SDTV

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justinh:

:D

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justinh:

and our HD is 18mbits h.264. which is nice but a bitch to decode

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wasabi:

Is ffmpeg parallel with that stuff yet?

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justinh:

yes but that hasn't got into mythtv just yet. won't be too long though

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iamlindoro_:

The video isn't the issue at all, that's easy to deal with

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iamlindoro_:

if you want HD-DVD or blu-ray, though, you need patched ffmpeg to get the audio tracks to work, and that's imperfect as yet

[20:29:04]

justinh:

but I can't see another ffmpeg sync happening before 0.21 somehow

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wasabi:

Ahh. Are there HD-DVD/blu-ray drives that work on Linux?

[20:29:38]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: the video _is_ what's tricky to deal with. especially AVC encoded stuff. oh boy

[20:29:39]

wasabi:

And is the drm solved?

[20:29:51]

iamlindoro_:

E-AC3 with patched ffmpeg/mplayer plays with occasional pops and clicks, TrueHD/mlp plays perfectly, but downsamples to 2 channels

[20:29:52]

phrag:

hi guys, i am runnign Opensuse 10.3 with a Haupague Nova-T 500 PCI card. MythTV is working, but my remote is not picked up at all, does not seem to correspond to any /dev/input/event* and is not mentioned in dmesg... any ideas please, i am at my wits end =P

[20:30:00]

justinh:

it won't be good to talk about solving HD-DVD/bluray DRM in here

[20:30:25]

iamlindoro_:

just look at the Ubuntu community docs for more info re the DRM stuff, dupport for BR/HD drives

[20:30:29]

iamlindoro_:

er support

[20:30:37]

BrainSurg:

greetings everyone

[20:30:44]

xand:

greetings earthling

[20:30:54]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, what I meant was it's minimally *playable*, versus the audio on HD/BR tracks crashing mplayer outright

[20:30:54]

wasabi:

Oh geeze. Expensive.

[20:31:00]

BrainSurg:

xand: nanoo nanoo

[20:31:12]

BrainSurg:

I was if you gents could point me in the right direction.

[20:31:24]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: my new frontend can play 720p h.264 just fine on a single core. not if it's AVC encoded though

[20:31:56]

BrainSurg:

I have a mythtv box setup with an Hauppauge PVR-350 card. I'm using ivtv-fb for video output through the Hauppauge using X.

[20:32:04]

justinh:

awww :(

[20:32:06]

iamlindoro_:

justinh, understood-- again, ffmpeg at least *understands* the codec, versus having to deal with TrueHD/E-AC3

[20:32:34]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: true. cos AC3 & DTS sound so shitty it's unreal, right?

[20:32:38]

iamlindoro_:

haha

[20:32:54]

BrainSurg:

It was working alright, until last night I ran qemu without realising it uses SDL for display – the console went blank, stopped responding, and the output from qemu appeared on the TV.

[20:32:58]

iamlindoro_:

no no, you're right... but sort of painted into a corner when the only track available are the new ones, which is becoming more and more common

[20:33:03]

iamlindoro_:

I am more than happy with AC3

[20:33:17]

BrainSurg:

I killed qemu, and since then have not been able to get X to output video through the Hauppauge.

[20:33:20]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: yeah I know what you were getting at. and I was getting at them being evil

[20:33:27]

iamlindoro_:

agreed there

[20:33:40]

BrainSurg:

Any thoughts on what's happened?

[20:33:50]

justinh:

BrainSurg: tried restarting X ?

[20:34:16]

BrainSurg:

justinh: Yup.

[20:34:22]

justinh:

this current fascinatination with virtual everything has to stop sometime. I'm sick of hearing about it

[20:34:22]

BrainSurg:

Restarted the machine as well.

[20:34:30]

BrainSurg:

Shut it down for 30 seconds unplugged.

[20:34:34]

BrainSurg:

no joy.

[20:34:37]

iamlindoro_:

sounds like the only solution is a dropkick

[20:34:53]

iamlindoro_:

take the PVR-350 out

[20:34:56]

iamlindoro_:

blow on the contacts

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justinh:

me use proper VGA hardware for best happy happy

[20:35:02]

iamlindoro_:

take it to your workbench

[20:35:07]

iamlindoro_:

smash it with a hammer

[20:35:16]

iamlindoro_:

replace with a better card :)

[20:35:34]

BrainSurg:

iamlindoro_: Doesn't fix the card, though:)

[20:35:39]

justinh:

apologies for not being sympathetic toward pvr350 owners.. I just can't find it in my heart

[20:35:42]

iamlindoro_:

oh you'll fix it good

[20:35:43]

BrainSurg:

May do wonders for my emotional state.

[20:36:02]

BrainSurg:

justinh: That's not encouraging:( I take it the 350 is a pain?

[20:36:13]

iamlindoro_:

tv-out on 350 sure is

[20:36:26]

iamlindoro_:

It's like the appendix

[20:36:26]

justinh:

ATI owners I _do_ feel sorry for. they're drawn in by shiny packaging & end up being disappointed. poor dears

[20:36:55]

justinh:

BrainSurg: all I'll say is – I hope you didn't pay good money for it. wish I could be more help

[20:37:01]

iamlindoro_:

support for it has shrunk and shurnk, and nobody really remember what it's for... and sometimes the only solution is a 350ectomy

[20:37:16]

CaptObviousman:

hahaha

[20:37:31]

CaptObviousman:

someone mentioned an alternative company to pcHDTV earlier, what was it?

[20:37:36]

justinh:

BrainSurg: from what you've said though I don't think it's likely a config file has been changed accidentally

[20:37:47]

BrainSurg:

justinh: Nope, nothing's been changed.

[20:37:56]

iamlindoro_:

Capt, maybe Kworld, Air2PC, silicondust? (HDHomeRun?)

[20:38:08]

BrainSurg:

If I had to guess, it would be that qemu changed the video mode on the card, and X isn't changing it back.

[20:38:22]

justinh:

BrainSurg: try verifying the output is initialised with the test mpeg file, etc

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justinh:

BrainSurg: I'm only going from what I read in the ivtv howto docs once

[20:38:38]

BrainSurg:

justinh: Good idea, will do.

[20:38:46]

justinh:

start from scratch, testing wise

[20:38:59]

justinh:

that'd be worth a try at least

[20:39:51]

CaptObviousman:

Air2PC, that's the one you mentioned

[20:40:04]

CaptObviousman:

does it have any advantages over pcHDTV?

[20:40:10]

** CaptObviousman pokes around for a comparison site **

[20:40:32]

CaptObviousman:

they all support OTA

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justinh:

I wish I could afford to buy all pvr350 owners a real video card. end their pain

[20:40:40]

justinh:

more human than a lethal injection anyway

[20:40:48]

** CaptObviousman sees no real difference, so why so many cards? **

[20:41:08]

BrainSurg:

justinh: What would you recommend instead of the 350?

[20:41:13]

justinh:

CaptObviousman: different tuners, different sensitivities, some do QAM, some don't..

[20:41:24]

fryfrog:

CaptObviousman: cheaper, if you do'nt get one with QAM?

[20:41:33]

justinh:

BrainSurg: a nvidia card. not if your hardware is so lame you really need hardware mpeg2 decoding though

[20:41:33]

fryfrog:

CaptObviousman: cause other companies want to make money?

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CaptObviousman:

and QAM is unencrypted cable right?

[20:41:50]

fryfrog:

yes

[20:41:53]

CaptObviousman:

so, on the highly unlikely chance that my cable isn't encrypted, a QAM card would be the way to go

[20:41:58]

iamlindoro_:

It's the modulation, regardless of encryption

[20:42:06]

fryfrog:

CaptObviousman: no, not really

[20:42:20]

justinh:

BrainSurg: and FWIW I wouldn't even entertain the idea of running mythtv on a system with less than 1Ghz, or anything Epia based

[20:42:22]

** CaptObviousman looks at comparison table on linuxtv.org **

[20:42:24]

BrainSurg:

greeat, just tried catting an mpg to the card's mpeg decoder.

[20:42:27]

fryfrog:

CaptObviousman: If there is a *chance* you'd rather pull the FTA OTA stuff from *Cable* instead of an *antenna*

[20:42:30]

fryfrog:

get one with QAM

[20:42:39]

CaptObviousman:

they all do 8VSA (which is OTA if I understand correctoy), and some do QAM

[20:42:50]

BrainSurg:

justinh: The rest of the machine is a dual core AMD Athlon64 4000_

[20:42:53]

fryfrog:

if you *know* you'll never use cable to pull the FTA HD channels, it doesn't matter

[20:43:02]

BrainSurg:

1GB ram, 320 gb HDD.

[20:43:17]

justinh:

BrainSurg: it's a travesty to put a pvr350 card in that

[20:43:23]

** CaptObviousman thinks it would be better to go for pure OTA for now and then come back later to add QAM if his situation changes **

[20:43:23]

justinh:

truly :)

[20:43:33]

justinh:

(IMHO)

[20:43:43]

iamlindoro_:

In a lot of cases, you'll get QAM support for the same price

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fryfrog:

CaptObviousman: How much are the cards you are looking at?

[20:43:58]

CaptObviousman:

fryfrog: I don't know yet

[20:44:03]

fryfrog:

iamlindoro_: except the air2pc gen 1 vs. gen 3 cards

[20:44:08]

CaptObviousman:

need to settle on a few before pricing

[20:44:12]

fryfrog:

ebay guy has those for like $50 vs. $120 usually

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iamlindoro_:

They're almost ALL the same anyway, since they don't process anything, just dump the mepg-2 stream to disk... get a Kworld 115 and it'll do the same job, cheap

[20:44:22]

iamlindoro_:

er mpeg

[20:44:28]

BrainSurg:

justinh: In all fairness, we didn't have a lot of luck finding on getting a good card;)

[20:44:30]

CaptObviousman:

difference is the warranty then

[20:44:33]

fryfrog:

I'll sell you one of my air2pc cards with QAM for $100, if you don't like it, I'll buy it back.

[20:44:37]

wasabi:

So... best card to receive over the air HD?

[20:44:46]

wasabi:

PCHDTV still the only one we know does not care about the flag?

[20:44:48]

fryfrog:

maybe you could bargin me down some :)

[20:44:54]

CaptObviousman:

seems high

[20:44:57]

iamlindoro_:

the broadcast flag is dead

[20:44:59]

fryfrog:

flag? i doubt any of them care

[20:45:02]

wasabi:

Dead as a mandate, yes.

[20:45:05]

fryfrog:

that is like last decade :)

[20:45:07]

wasabi:

But not dead in implementation.

[20:45:50]

iamlindoro_:

*none* of the discussed cards handle the broadcast flag

[20:45:54]

CaptObviousman:

hmm, I've got a lot of other thing sto research before I actually buy

[20:45:56]

wasabi:

I'd expected people like Hauppaunge to implement it long ago, because it's cheaper than retooling based on whatever the courts decide.

[20:46:01]

CaptObviousman:

so hang on to it

[20:46:08]

CaptObviousman:

but it's unlikely =P

[20:46:30]

CaptObviousman:

I think I have input nailed

[20:46:35]

CaptObviousman:

now time to tackle the output part

[20:46:46]

CaptObviousman:

oh! I know what I wanted to ask

[20:47:00]

CaptObviousman:

myth accepts other sources besides capture card right?

[20:47:13]

fryfrog:

what do you mean?

[20:47:15]

CaptObviousman:

like let's say I wanted to rip DVDs to hard drive

[20:47:23]

fryfrog:

firewire STB, hdhomerun, etc

[20:47:24]

BrainSurg:

Captain_Murdoch: Works beautifully.

[20:47:25]

fryfrog:

oh

[20:47:27]

fryfrog:

mythvideo

[20:47:51]

CaptObviousman:

there's so many fscking programs in the myth suite, I can't keep track of them all

[20:49:17]

CaptObviousman:

if I understand things right, standard def DVDs are encoded in MPEG2, just like OTA streams

[20:49:41]

iamlindoro_:

that's correct, ps rather than ts I beleive, but yes

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fryfrog:

yeah, but you'd probably want to rip your dvd -> xvid or x264

[20:49:55]

fryfrog:

9G << 1.5G

[20:50:03]

CaptObviousman:

hehe you mean other way around

[20:50:09]

CaptObviousman:

what is x264

[20:50:21]

iamlindoro_:

no, I mean exactly that way

[20:50:36]

** CaptObviousman was talking to fryfrog **

[20:50:39]

iamlindoro_:

ah

[20:50:44]

** CaptObviousman doesn't know what ps and ts are **

[20:50:46]

iamlindoro_:

oh, I see

[20:51:33]

CaptObviousman:

hmm, so this x264 encoder pulls the stream from dvd, compresses it better, then how does it get into the myth db?

[20:51:36]

iamlindoro_:

x.264 is the best commonly-used compression method for video currently available

[20:52:29]

iamlindoro_:

mythdvd pukes out a video file into your mythvideo directory, you scan for new files and it gets imported into the db

[20:52:46]

CaptObviousman:

do I have to type in metadata by hand?

[20:52:59]

iamlindoro_:

that or myth with search imdb if you tell it to

[20:53:08]

CaptObviousman:

or does it do some kind of CDDB-style lookup and pull information for me?

[20:53:13]

CaptObviousman:

that'd be nice if it did

[20:53:20]

iamlindoro_:

see last comment

[20:53:23]

BrainSurg:

Thanks for the help gents, it's greatly appreciated.

[20:53:23]

** CaptObviousman nods **

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CaptObviousman:

that's actually how I'm starting this system up, DVDs only

[20:54:04]

** CaptObviousman wonders how well it handles high serial video content **

[20:54:08]

CaptObviousman:

e.g. a television series or anime

[20:55:31]

iamlindoro_:

The sorting of it is up to you. I have folders in my mythvideo directory (television – Science fiction, Television – Comedy, etc.) under which are a folder for each series... Then the file are "Seriesname seasonxepisode – subtitle.mp4"

[20:55:49]

CaptObviousman:

you have to organize that all by hand?

[20:55:57]

iamlindoro_:

For television, yes

[20:56:27]

CaptObviousman:

so it takes a fair amount of effort to import a full season

[20:56:30]

iamlindoro_:

If you want myth to do the organizing, then you would import it into the actual recording db with myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

[20:56:33]

iamlindoro_:

No

[20:56:36]

iamlindoro_:

it's simple

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CaptObviousman:

mythdvd detects breaks between episodes?

[20:57:34]

iamlindoro_:

you have a video directory. Create a folder for your show. Use something like handbrake and queue up each program on the DVD to rip to a seperate file with whatever naming scheme you want, ouputting into the show directory

[20:57:59]

CaptObviousman:

ah, that's what I'm missing here, the actually ripping software

[20:58:10]

iamlindoro_:

Well Myth will do it for you

[20:58:16]

iamlindoro_:

but I find it a bit ponderous

[20:58:26]

iamlindoro_:

I am infinitely faster using a seperate program

[20:58:32]

CaptObviousman:

hmm

[20:58:59]

CaptObviousman:

handbrake pulls the data off and farms it thorugh whatever encoder you like (kinda like grip does for audio), then you come bakc along and import with a perl script

[20:59:21]

iamlindoro_:

*sigh*

[20:59:25]

iamlindoro_:

clsoe

[20:59:27]

iamlindoro_:

er close

[20:59:55]

CaptObviousman:

what's missing then?

[21:00:19]

iamlindoro_:

myth's ripping capability is good for things like entire movies. No need to break them down by episode, so it's easy. You put it in, tell it to rip, walk away. You come back, rescan your video directory in frontend, find the entry for your new movie, and tell myth to get the info from imdb.

[21:00:28]

iamlindoro_:

That's the easiest way, with comething simple like a movie.

[21:00:34]

** CaptObviousman nods **

[21:00:39]

iamlindoro_:

No perls scripts necessary (at least, not that are visible to the end user)

[21:00:55]

iamlindoro_:

Now, with something more complicated like television, where you have multiple episodes on one disk:

[21:01:14]

iamlindoro_:

My *personal* preference is to rip one episode per file with something external like handbrake.

[21:01:20]

iamlindoro_:

You then have a *choice*

[21:01:40]

iamlindoro_:

you can import them into the recordings section of myth with myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

[21:02:00]

iamlindoro_:

or organize them yourself in the videos section of myth by putting them somewhere under your main video directory

[21:02:09]

gbee:

you can rip individual episodes with mythvideo but I've never ripped a DVD so I can't say how easy it is

[21:02:10]

iamlindoro_:

then running a video scan.

[21:02:47]

Yutlin:

alright gentlemen, time for another question... can someone help me get mute straightened out? I hit mute on the remote, it says mute on the screen, but the sound doesn't mute.

[21:03:00]

gbee:

have to say that the interface could be improved, ala the cd ripping dialogue maybe

[21:03:01]

CaptObviousman:

and you normally do it by hand, to make sure it's done properly

[21:03:15]

CaptObviousman:

sort by hand*

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** CaptObviousman understands now **

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iamlindoro_:

yes, and because having as many programs as I have in myth's recordings functionality would be impossible to keep track of

[21:04:12]

iamlindoro_:

I have dozens and dozens of shows, each with many seasons... In Mythvideo, each can have it's own directory, each has a poster for the show as the directory's icon, and each episode has a thumbnail from within it

[21:04:33]

iamlindoro_:

Versus trying to scroll through all of that in recordings? Yuck!

[21:04:36]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: yeah

[21:04:42]

GreyFoxx:

I do the same

[21:04:52]

GreyFoxx:

title/season/episode.avi

[21:05:00]

GreyFoxx:

and hundreds upon hundreds

[21:05:11]

** iamlindoro_ nods **

[21:05:12]

GreyFoxx:

the watch recordings screen isn't designed for that

[21:05:59]

** CaptObviousman hasn't seen interface yet, will see it soon **

[21:06:06]

GreyFoxx:

mythtv@woop:/data/video$ find . -type f | wc -l

[21:06:06]

GreyFoxx:

2397

[21:06:10]

GreyFoxx:

too much stuff

[21:06:18]

CaptObviousman:

haha

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GreyFoxx:

Every DVD movie I own, plus every DVD TV boxset ripped into individual shows

[21:06:39]

** CaptObviousman has around 12 anime seasons, with another 20 or so I want to get **

[21:06:44]

GreyFoxx:

and the stuff I've kept/archived from myth

[21:07:00]

CaptObviousman:

so you keep it out of the db normally, and if you want to watch it you do what?

[21:07:03]

bsdfox_:

mythvideo isn't great for episodes

[21:07:12]

CaptObviousman:

use mplayer and browse to the directory?

[21:07:24]

GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: No I use mythvideos video list, and browse it like a file system

[21:07:36]

GreyFoxx:

I use the internal player for everything but mkv files which I only have 2 of :)

[21:07:46]

CaptObviousman:

well, that works

[21:07:55]

CaptObviousman:

last time I looked into myth, a lot of people I talked to recommended using mplayer

[21:08:06]

CaptObviousman:

has the myth player matured since then?

[21:08:11]

GreyFoxx:

I use videoGallery for Movies if I want to be fancy and see cover posters

[21:08:12]

iamlindoro_:

internal has probably improved significantly since the last time you looked

[21:08:18]

CaptObviousman:

this was probably 5 or 6 months ago

[21:08:19]

GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: I have no idea when since then is

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iamlindoro_:

Well, it's at least one ffmpeg sync newer, then

[21:08:42]

GreyFoxx:

but I've been using it for almost all playback for 1.5 years

[21:08:44]

gbee:

CaptObviousman: IMHO it was plenty mature 5/6 months ago

[21:08:46]

GreyFoxx:

including DVD's

[21:09:15]

gbee:

CaptObviousman: but if you use the development version from SVN, then it's even bettter

[21:09:25]

GreyFoxx:

I've got a couple mpg's which play weird since the last ffmpeg sync, and otyher than that better mkv support would be nice

[21:09:31]

GreyFoxx:

otherwise it rocks

[21:09:50]

GreyFoxx:

yeah I should say that is what I use so I can't comment on 0.20.2

[21:10:15]

** CaptObviousman will be compiling from source **

[21:10:30]

gbee:

but honestly, anyone complaining about the internal player in 0.20 is most likely trying to play some obscure format of their favourite film/show that they illegally downloaded using bittorrent

[21:10:43]

CaptObviousman:

could be

[21:10:48]

** CaptObviousman doesn't really bit torrent at all **

[21:10:54]

CaptObviousman:

though if I get this set up I might start

[21:11:01]

iamlindoro_:

ruh roh

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GreyFoxx:

I notice that my mkv files play fine in ffplay from a couple weeks ago, so it looks like they have improved support for it

[21:12:00]

iamlindoro_:

A good myth setup, some decent transcode scripts, commflagging, and a powerful backend should *eliminate* the need to bittorrent, not encourage it

[21:12:39]

CaptObviousman:

well, I'm more likely to join netflix and just rip everything that gets mailed to me

[21:12:41]

anenigma:

iamlindoro_: you missed "tv stations that show good and recent shows in non-US regions"

[21:14:14]

iamlindoro_:

anenigma, complain to your content provider! For me, it's a big relief to know, with all the **AA lwsuits going on, I can rest easy that nobody's going to come knocking down *my* door with a subpoena :)

[21:14:43]

iamlindoro_:

But I live in the litigous USA :)

[21:14:55]

i3ooi3oo:

does the look up feature in video manager look up based on the name cause mine doesn't work

[21:14:57]

iamlindoro_:

er litigious

[21:15:05]

iamlindoro_:

i3etcetc, yes

[21:15:14]

i3ooi3oo:

it will look it up if you provide the IMDB #

[21:15:31]

bsdfox_:

i3ooi3oo: that's the manual lookup

[21:15:41]

bsdfox_:

it will search by name and pop up a list for you to choose from

[21:15:57]

i3ooi3oo:

nop

[21:16:11]

i3ooi3oo:

nope the script imdb.pl doesn't work correctl

[21:16:28]

GreyFoxx:

a big part of that is the name of the file

[21:16:29]

iamlindoro_:

oh shoot. MythTv must be broken again. Stupid MythTV.

[21:16:41]

GreyFoxx:

for example Toy.Story.avi would work

[21:16:52]

GreyFoxx:

but Toy.Store-DVDRIP-sajkhgdsad-XVID.avi would fail

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i3ooi3oo:

when running imdb.pl -d -M "toy story"

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i3ooi3oo:

returns no results

[21:17:38]

GreyFoxx:

That was a random one. In fact I think I had problems with that specific ont too :)

[21:17:41]

bsdfox_:

I rename my files so they aren't retarded

[21:17:51]

GreyFoxx:

but for the most part the imdb script works well

[21:18:09]

Anduin:

i3ooi3oo: It works here

[21:18:10]

GreyFoxx:

for those that it doesn't find I manually enter the code unless it gives me a choice of a couple

[21:18:13]

iamlindoro_:

freakin open source hippie tree huggers with their software that won't play my asian teen sex porn I got on PirateBay

[21:18:22]

bsdfox_:

I had to modify the mythvideo code a little to give myself more time to download the movie posters cause I have dialup

[21:18:22]

** GreyFoxx heads home **

[21:18:40]

** CaptObviousman is interested in the movie poster thing **

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Anduin:

bsdfox_: There is a hidden setting for that

[21:18:42]

CaptObviousman:

sounds neat

[21:19:04]

bsdfox_:

any idea where? kinda a pain repatching mythvideo.c every time a new version comes out

[21:19:11]

i3ooi3oo:

Well does it use the actual file names or the metaname set in the mysql database

[21:19:33]

oobe:

justinh, i made my own osd theme :)

[21:19:44]

Anduin:

bsdfox_: PosterDownloadTimeout

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iamlindoro_:

you can change the title in the metadata to improve results, IIRC

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i3ooi3oo:

Tried that too. File example Cocaine-Cowboys.rip.avi metaname to "Cocaine Cowboys" and get no results

[21:21:04]

bsdfox_:

Anduin: 0 matches in mythconverg db

[21:21:09]

Anduin:

bsdfox_: It is secret in that you need to manually put it in the settings table

[21:21:14]

bsdfox_:

ok

[21:21:39]

bsdfox_:

will hostname null work?

[21:21:44]

Anduin:

bsdfox_: and the units in -fixes are funky (not seconds, closer to 10 seconds, latest svn it is seconds)

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Anduin:

bsdfox_: Yes, null is "global"

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iamlindoro_:

i300i300, does your myth user have internet access?

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i3ooi3oo:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

because your test case works here, and not there, so it's probably not the script...

[21:22:30]

i3ooi3oo:

if i use the imdb # it workd fine

[21:22:52]

i3ooi3oo:

from the CLI i can't get the script to work corretlyc

[21:23:12]

iamlindoro_:

I used your cli example, works fine, and for Anduin also...

[21:23:29]

i3ooi3oo:

:( thats not good

[21:23:38]

Anduin:

i3ooi3oo: imdb.pl -v

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bsdfox_:

Anduin: alright thanks

[21:23:39]

i3ooi3oo:

can you pastbin your imdb.pl

[21:24:18]

iamlindoro_:

mine is modified, I wrote a patch, so you don't want mine

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i3ooi3oo:

since i am not at home now i would like to try it here my laptop is linux too

[21:24:47]

iamlindoro_:

Get the one from svn

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iamlindoro_:

svn.mythtv.org

[21:25:30]

iamlindoro_:

And give anduin the output of his request, he's more likely to be able to help than I

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Anduin:

I was just going to make sure it was 1.3.4 or at least .3

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bsdfox_:

IMDB Query (v1.3.2) by Tim Harvey, Andrei Rjeousski :(

[21:27:09]

bsdfox_:

0.20.2_p14684 is that really old now?

[21:27:29]

iamlindoro_:

500ish revisions

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iamlindoro_:

not *that* old

[21:28:08]

bsdfox_:

newest .20.2 in gentoo :\

[21:28:11]

samIam122:

Hey everyone, I'm having a slight problem with my Mythweb install. Everything was working just fine until I decided to organize my web dir. I may have moved mythweb dir but I can't be 100% sure. Anyways I am currently getting this error message when I click on any link in the Mythweb interface "The requested URL /mythweb/tv was not found on this server."

[21:29:21]

cccp:

webserver config, mod_rewrite or similar

[21:29:32]

iamlindoro_:

Pretty good bet that you moved it then :)

[21:29:39]

bsdfox_:

another cool patch for mythvideo would be to set the same poster on files ending in "CD 1" and "CD 2" or something similar with the same base name, and having them automatically play after one another

[21:30:03]

samIam122:

mod_rewrite is enabled. Is there a settings file I can update? Are the settings in the DB?

[21:30:03]

iamlindoro_:

I usually make the second invisible

[21:30:37]

bsdfox_:

will it auto play right now?

[21:31:13]

iamlindoro_:

I *think* (I only have one or two movies that were two sides of the same disk) that if you name it the same thing with a 1 and 2, it will automatically set the second to play next

[21:31:23]

iamlindoro_:

in my case

[21:31:45]

iamlindoro_:

Robin hood – prince of thieves 1, Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves 2

[21:31:59]

iamlindoro_:

ack, pardon the poor formatting, but you get the picture

[21:32:02]

bsdfox_:

very cool

[21:32:17]

bsdfox_:

I see a "play after" option too

[21:32:24]

iamlindoro_:

Yeah, that's the one

[21:32:40]

iamlindoro_:

ie, I think it automatically populates that with the "2" if you import them at the same time

[21:32:50]

iamlindoro_:

so I just leave it and make the second one unbrowsable

[21:34:57]

Anduin:

You do need to run the metadata editor and save to get that

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iamlindoro_:

samiam122, depending on when you installed mythweb, you may also have a mythweb.conf somewhere in your /etc/apache directory that points at where you have mythweb saved... if you moved it, it won't work

[21:36:58]

iamlindoro_:

In my case it's /etc/apache2/conf.d/mythweb.conf

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samIam122:

yep it's there

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iamlindoro_:

ok, and that file has an entry pointing at where mythweb lives

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samIam122:

just tried changing a setting and restarting apache2 now

[21:37:30]

iamlindoro_:

so if you moved it, it won't work

[21:37:38]

samIam122:

I updated that line

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samIam122:

still getting 404 error

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iamlindoro_:

does your apache user have rights to wherever you moved it?

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samIam122:

Yep, I basically just went through a new install without replacing the files.

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iamlindoro_:

guess you shouldn't have "organized."

[21:39:19]

samIam122:

yah no kidding

[21:39:48]

samIam122:

what gets me is that mythweb.php opens up just fine

[21:40:29]

iamlindoro_:

Is *everything* under your mythweb directory chown'ed to your apache user?

[21:40:43]

samIam122:

I'll double check but it should be

[21:42:27]

iamlindoro_:

ah, and just to check, you didn't update to a newer version of myth anytime recently?

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samIam122:

Nope that os one thing I din't do, because everything was wroking so well

[21:43:50]

oobe:

i made my own osd theme if anyone wants to check it out its transparent hacked from Gray-OSD and MythTVMediaCentreOSD here are the screenshots http://users.tpg.com.au/pokerrat/mythtvideo5.jpg http://users.tpg.com.au/pokerrat/mythtvideo4.jpg and here is the theme to download http://users.tpg.com.au/pokerrat/GrayMediaCenterOSD.tar.gz

[21:45:36]

** gbee cries **

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** oobe laughs **

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samIam122:

crap still 404

[21:46:09]

samIam122:

the apache2 user in Ubuntu is www-data right?

[21:46:22]

iamlindoro_:

yep

[21:46:39]

samIam122:

then it's owns mythweb and all it's sub-dirs

[21:47:06]

iamlindoro_:

K. Dunno what to tell you... might want to put it back the way it was and see what happens

[21:47:13]

samIam122:

it really is like mod_rewrite isn't working but it's installed and working fine.

[21:47:54]

samIam122:

that is one thing I can't do. nuts

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samIam122:

just to be 100% sure, in mythweb.conf my dir line should look like this

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samIam122:

<Directory "/var/www/htdocs/mythweb" > correct? That is the installed location of Mythweb

[21:49:56]

iamlindoro_:

yep, more or less

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samIam122:

nuts

[21:51:42]

samIam122:

is there a way to see if mythweb.conf is being loaded?

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iamlindoro_:

maybe in one of the /var/log/apache2/ files, but I just don't know

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samIam122:

crap it's my .htaccess file

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iamlindoro_:

ah, yes

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bsdfox_:

imdb ratings could be cool too

[21:54:08]

iamlindoro_:

bsdfox, in mythvideo?

[21:54:12]

bsdfox_:

yeah

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samIam122:

well that blows

[21:54:18]

iamlindoro_:

MPAA, or user?

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bsdfox_:

user

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iamlindoro_:

I think it already gets those, no?

[21:54:56]

Anduin:

It does

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bsdfox_:

not my version

[21:55:06]

bsdfox_:

damn I better upgrade

[21:55:23]

bsdfox_:

I kinda want to just bite the bullet and move to svntrunk

[21:55:31]

iamlindoro_:

It's not too painful

[21:55:37]

samIam122:

Well iamlindro: Thanks for bouncing ideas around with me. I'll have to figure that .htaccess problem out later on.

[21:55:38]

Anduin:

bsdfox_: user ratings is very old, you have a version that supports it

[21:55:48]

iamlindoro_:

samiam, no problem, hope you get it

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samIam122:

thanks

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Egghead:

is there a way to force alsa to load only a specified module?

[21:56:10]

iamlindoro_:

going to SVN solved a lot more problems for me than it created

[21:56:25]

bsdfox_:

it would show up in video manager, right?

[21:56:47]

Anduin:

bsdfox_: No

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, on the screen directly preceding playback (poster page)

[21:57:10]

Anduin:

(or rather it may not)

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bsdfox_:

ok I'm looking in the wrong place then

[21:57:28]

iamlindoro_:

egghead, what do you mean? Do you want to load driver modules, or do you mean something else?

[21:57:47]

gbee:

Anduin: did I mention my wishlist item for mythvideo? The ability to edit the title/description and maybe a couple of other fields through the metadata editor? I know it strictly belongs in the wiki :)

[21:58:07]

Egghead:

iam, i want to force a spicific drive module at boot

[21:58:21]

iamlindoro_:

blacklist what you don't want to load, then?

[21:59:03]

gbee:

oobe: a tip for you, change the OSD font in playback settings to FreeSans, FreeMono used to be the default but it sucks

[21:59:15]

Anduin:

gbee: Yeah, that is already on my list, the problem is that I only occasionally need to do something the editor doesn't let me, and that mysql command is always a small bit of typing away.

[22:00:08]

gbee:

Anduin: reason is that I'm unlikely to use mythvideo much for films, but it would be good for home videos and my collection of test samples

[22:00:10]

iamlindoro_:

anduin, I know this is obscure, but is there a place I could look that would provide annotated examples of adding something to the myth UI? I'd love to take a shot at adding my IMDB improvement to the GUI without expecting someone else to do it for me

[22:00:18]

oobe:

gbee, FreeSans renders poorly for me unfortunatly it goes garbled using certain aspect ratios

[22:00:24]

iamlindoro_:

and I mean the .cpp files, not the XMLs

[22:00:31]

Anduin:

gbee: I also spent some time seeing if having the raw events was enough to get a remote edit working, that those "dialogs" are just pictures puts a large kink in things.

[22:01:52]

i3ooi3oo:

thanks all the new script work on my laptop so it should work on the box at home will check it out in a few

[22:01:53]

Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Only the existing code, I'm not aware of any real examples

[22:03:12]

iamlindoro_:

ok, fair enough, thanks

[22:03:58]

bsdfox_:

is there any way to batch imdb lookups for all the movies I have and then just go through and fix the ones that are wrong?

[22:03:59]

oobe:

gbee, http://users.tpg.com.au/pokerrat/uglyfont.jpg

[22:04:31]

gbee:

oobe: whoah, something is screwed up on your system

[22:04:43]

gbee:

Anduin: not sure what the problem is that you are having with the remote edit? What's different between the edit metadata page and those 'popups'?

[22:05:40]

i3ooi3oo:

thanks iamlindoro the script from the svn works on thi pc will try it on the mythtv at home in an hour

[22:05:50]

iamlindoro_:

cool, hope it works for you

[22:05:57]

Anduin:

gbee: Those popups are not dialogs, no MythThemedDialog in there

[22:05:58]

oobe:

gbee, i had trouble with more than one osd using certain fonts i have had a few work arounds but cant find the answer was hoping someone here can suggest somthing

[22:06:22]

i3ooi3oo:

well from the CLI i can get a html page now before i got "no results:"

[22:08:29]

Anduin:

gbee: and I've been hesitant to change them as it would break themes (doing way to much work on ContainerHandlers)

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Anduin:

o

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bsdfox_:

Anduin: you got any ideas on doing imdb lookups on my whole mythvideo collection rather than manually doing it one at a time?

[22:10:22]

gbee:

Anduin: right, guess I need to look at the code, if they were implemented as context specific containers then in theory there wouldn't be a problem, they would be parsed as part of the parent window then displayed by changing the context and fixing the focus on the text edit widget ..... in theory

[22:10:28]

Anduin:

bsdfox_: I try not to help with that, though it can be done.

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bsdfox_:

hmm ok

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Anduin:

gbee: Even then, theme killer, I figure when converted to mythui I'll take the opportunity to redo things.

[22:12:29]

gbee:

Anduin: would mean zero changes to the themes, except that the textareas would become remotedits

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Anduin:

gbee: and the context?

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gbee:

Anduin: the music metadata editor is an example, the album art browser and the editor are two seperate containers in the same window, we switch by changing the context

[22:17:54]

gbee:

yeah, ok the popup containers would need an additional <context>1<context>

[22:17:58]

Anduin:

gbee: Yes, but the theme elements need to know their context (the current containers do no)

[22:17:59]

Anduin:

t

[22:18:06]

Anduin:

Yeah

[22:18:17]

Anduin:

Guess that wouldn't be so bad

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gbee:

Anduin: feel free to ignore me since I'm too busy to do it myself and it's not really fair to suggest you re-write it

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Anduin:

I was just hoping to postpone it until everything had to change.

[22:20:18]

gbee:

just imagine that doing it this way would be a lot simpler and involve a whole lot less code

[22:20:44]

gbee:

Anduin: no reason it _has_ to change until then, it works now and that's all that matters

[22:20:53]

** CaptObviousman is really REALLY itching to install myth now **

[22:20:56]

CaptObviousman:

too many things to do first

[22:20:57]

CaptObviousman:

grr

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gbee:

oobe: that obviously isn't how the fonts are supposed to appear, could be a bug that was fixed in TRUNK or otherwise something to do with the configuration of your system (DPI not 100x100 or something)

[22:23:16]

oobe:

gbee, just to make sure how to i set DPI to 100x100

[22:23:29]

oobe:

i think mine already is set in xorg.conf

[22:25:09]

gbee:

oobe: use DisplaySize in xorg.conf – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Display_Size

[22:25:27]

** directhex stabs displaysize with a spoon **

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gbee:

shouldn't be necessary with trunk, or so I'm told, I've yet to test it

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gbee:

at least it shouldn't be necessary to correctly scale OSD fonts ... still necessary if you are using a non-square pixel resolution and want the correct aspect ratio – e.g. 720x576 @ 16:9 instead of the actual 5:4

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oobe:

ty gbee restarting x now

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sphery:

oobe: I haven't read through scrollback, so I don't know if you've already been given this advice, but here's the right answer: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/294597#294597

[22:32:43]

sphery:

bad timing

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gbee:

sphery: indeed

[22:34:00]

sphery:

I'm pretty sure that's what you were telling him, anyway.

[22:34:03]

gbee:

started reading that thread, then got bored

[22:34:06]

sphery:

Problem is he didn't seem to believe you.

[22:35:00]

gbee:

sphery: he was having the problem with FreeSans at certain aspects, http://users.tpg.com.au/pokerrat/uglyfont.jpg

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gbee:

I just suggested he needed to play with displaysize, but beyond that

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oobe:

gbee, that fixed it

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gbee:

oobe: glad to hear :)

[22:36:48]

sphery:

oobe: What OSD is that?

[22:36:50]

oobe:

its been a problem for months and i have found many other people on lists and forums complaining of same thing the only fix i found was linking to fonts that dont render badly

[22:37:01]

oobe:

i made it this morning

[22:37:31]

sphery:

Do you have <filename> elements in the <font> elements?

[22:38:20]

oobe:

im not sure what u mean it was my first attempt i combined to osd themes to make a new one

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sphery:

Do you mind if I see the osd.xml--I'm trying to find a real fix for the issue, but it's really hard because I can't reproduce the issue.

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gbee:

sphery: the font is freesans, if that helps :)

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sphery:

I'm pretty sure that it's caused by on certain system configurations by having a <fond name="..."><filename>anything.ttf</filename></font&g t; type construct (even if the font is FreeSans)

[22:40:01]

gbee:

oobe: what resolution were/are you using?

[22:40:32]

gbee:

sphery: intresting

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sphery:

s/fond/font/

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oobe:

1680x1050

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sphery:

16:10

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oobe:

sphery, yeah here is the link http://users.tpg.com.au/pokerrat/GrayMediaCenterOSD.tar.gz

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oobe:

yeah 16:10

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sphery:

txh

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sphery:

thx

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** sphery can't type today **

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sphery:

Hmmm. You don't have the <filename> element in there for <font>'s

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sphery:

At least that means I don't have to figure out how code that looks like it should work doesn't work.

[22:44:32]

sphery:

But it does mean I have to find a new theory.

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oobe:

i really just modified an existing osd.xml so i dont know much about it

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oobe:

sphery, what is your problem

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sphery:

I'm just trying to fix the actual problem in Myth

[22:45:45]

sphery:

or at least identify what's broken on the systems that exhibit this behavior

[22:45:46]

oobe:

of poorly rendered fonts?

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sphery:

yep

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oobe:

well you heard what fixed it for me

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sphery:

What did you end up using for your DisplaySize?

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sphery:

I'm guessing: DisplaySize 426 266

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oobe:

DisplaySize 426 266

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oobe:

ya

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wild_oscar:

does anyone know if it is possible to watch hulu outside the US?

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sphery:

Before, you were going with the X autodetected DPI?

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sphery:

If so, do you still have the X log (i.e. /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old)?

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oobe:

sphery, osd looks fine for every playback aspect ratio now except for 4:3 zoom which isnt a problem

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oobe:

this is after changing to 16:9 in setup / appearance

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oobe:

and of course changing to 100 DPI

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sphery:

oobe: are you actually using Xinerama?

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oobe:

sphery, no im using twinview

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sphery:

So, for that, you were most likely picking up the DPI from your main monitor--you really have to set the aspect ratio setting when using Xinerama/TwinView.

[22:55:36]

sphery:

What res are you using on the other monitor

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Beirdo:

yay for xen on an HVM-capable processor :)

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** Beirdo is enjoying his Win2k install under xen... running on a Linux dom0 **

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oobe:

im using the same res they are both identical displays

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oobe:

do u want my /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old

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sphery:

If you still have it, I'd love to see it.

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oobe:

can i dcc it to u or do u want me to up it somewhere

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sphery:

You can try... I don't know how dcc works

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oobe:

i will up it

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oobe:

http://users.tpg.com.au/pokerrat/Xorg.0.log.old

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sphery:

BTW, when you set DisplaySize, did you do it appropriately for NVIDIA drivers? ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Specifyi . . . NVIDIA_Cards )--i.e. if you do an "xdpyinfo | grep -A 1 dimensions" does it say it's using 100x100DPI?

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mzb:

oobe: DPI set to (99, 98); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config

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oobe:

i just diffed Xorg.0.log.old and Xorg.0.log there doesn apear to be much diffence

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mzb:

DisplaySize won't work

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mzb:

in Monitor section use: Option "UseEdidDpi" "false"

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sphery:

Yeah. So, it was completely the fault of the Xinerama/TwinView configuration. It defaulted to 4:3.

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oobe:

mzb, thanks i will try that

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sphery:

Anyway, thank you very much for the info you gave me. It was really helpful. One of these days, I'll find someone who has the right system config for me to track down the other problem.

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oobe:

ok no problem are you a myth developer?

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sphery:

And, the 99x98DPI is close enough to 100x100DPI that it's not a big deal if you don't change it. In 0.21 (once released), the DPI will no longer be relevant--only the aspect ratio.

[23:03:27]

sphery:

No. Just a hacker who spends some time writing patches for Myth.

[23:03:47]

oobe:

mzb, what were you basing that on about adding that line Option "UseEdidDpi" "false" did you get that from my xorg.conf?

[23:03:55]

sphery:

(Which is what I was supposed to be doing for the last hour, but I got distracted... :)

[23:04:12]

sphery:

oobe: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Specifyi . . . NVIDIA_Cards

[23:04:14]

mzb:

oobe: yes, check the line I pasted above

[23:04:17]

oobe:

well your sort of on the right track

[23:04:29]

oobe:

Option "UseEdidDpi" "false" ?

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sphery:

oobe: If you're using NVIDIA display drivers version 8756 or above and your monitor reports an EDID DPI value, you must tell the drivers to ignore this value as it takes precedence over all the above configuration options/arguments.

[23:04:46]

oobe:

i added but i still need to restart x to test

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mzb:

it is *wrong* (imo) to set DPI ... you should set DisplaySize

[23:05:30]

oobe:

if i restart x will you guys still be here?

[23:05:46]

mzb:

oobe: I pasted a line from your log, explaining what the problem is, then I pasted the solution

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sphery:

mzb: In 0.21, DPI will be irrelevant as long as the aspect ratio (which is easiest to set using DisplaySize) is correct. MythTV (0.20) is currently wrong to require 100x100DPI.

[23:06:28]

oobe:

mzb, yeah i know i added the line you told me to into xorg.conf

[23:06:33]

oobe:

in about to test it

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oobe:

brb

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iamlindoro_:

Quick, everyone leave while he's gone ;)

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sphery:

lol

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mzb:

sphery: getting the right DPI (by whatever means) is a *good idea* ... regardless of how clever mythtv (thinks it) is

[23:08:06]

mzb:

and btw

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mzb:

(for the third time)

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mzb:

it's *NOT* possible to set the displaysize on an nvidia card unless you ignore the ediddpi (ie. lcd telling xorg lies;)

[23:09:46]

sphery:

mzb: the right DPI is important, but MythTV requires a wrong DPI on a vast majority of systems. MythTV 0.20 and below requires 100x100 DPI.

[23:10:12]

sphery:

mzb: I realize that it's not possible to set the DisplaySize on an NVIDIA card unless you ignore the EDID DPI--I wrote the page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Specifyi . . . NVIDIA_Cards

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mzb:

never noticed it on my 96DPI LCD

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sphery:

mzb: because it's close enough to 100x100 that the pixel differences in the few affected places are small--possible even lost due to rounding

[23:11:24]

mzb:

hmm ... possibly ... but I had problems with just that issue in X

[23:11:46]

mzb:

(I only run the FE windowed on this machine)

[23:11:56]

sphery:

Yeah. It's a common problem since Myth's requirements are different from the requirements of most apps and even X itself.

[23:12:33]

oobe:

mzb, i tried that line u told me to ad but it made all my system fonts to big and i changed it back its ok now

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sphery:

However, I don't specify the right DPI on my 67" HDTV. When I specify 33DPI, too many apps have tiny windows--that look good from 2 feet away, but are unreadable at 10 feet.

[23:12:57]

mzb:

oobe: sounds like you've corrected it somewhere else ;)

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sphery:

oobe: That probably means you have a broken script starting X (common in many distros). It probably specifies a --dpi argument to the X server.

[23:13:51]

sphery:

Which is ignored by X because of the NVIDIA drivers always using the EDID DPI.

[23:13:55]

oobe:

im using ubuntu

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oobe:

there have already been a few bug reports regaurding this

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sphery:

I'm prety sure Ubuntu's script is broken.

[23:14:34]

mzb:

not mine

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mzb:

that error went out with sarge (iirc)

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sphery:

So, when you disabled EDID DPI, the DPI command line argument took precedence (even over DisplaySize or DPI args in the X config file).

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sphery:

mzb: did you edit the startx script or something?

[23:15:24]

mzb:

no

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sphery:

Which Ubuntu are you using (or isn't Sarge Debian proper?)

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directhex:

sphery, the driver takes precedence over command-line params

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sphery:

right... That's what I said.

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mzb:

I was using etch+sid, back in the day when etch was testing. But since installing Ubuntu for clients I've been using that on this machine instead ... started with Feisty, now using Gutsy

[23:17:03]

sphery:

12.17 18:13:51 < sphery> Which is ignored by X because of the NVIDIA drivers always using the EDID DPI.

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directhex:

sphery, so the script which is starting x is largely irrelevant, since the dpi value is ignored

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mzb:

if the script was doing it ... you'd see something about "DPI set by command line"

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sphery:

Until a user adds to their X config file: Option "UseEdidDpi" "FALSE"

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directhex:

at which point DPI or DisplaySize take precedence over the command line

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oobe:

wow anyway i gotta say im very happy thanks very much sphery i been looking for a fix for this for a while

[23:19:48]

mzb:

there was _one_ situation where this behaviour was broken ... during testing of etch, there was a --dpi set under /usr (lib?) somewhere

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sphery:

No... Command line takes precedence over DisplaySize

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sphery:

Which is why, IMHO, a distro's including --dpi in the command line is broken.

[23:20:29]

mzb:

I agree

[23:20:34]

mzb:

had the same problem

[23:20:49]

mzb:

but I'm reasonably sure that modern distros have this fixed

[23:21:09]

mzb:

it should just be a case of ignoring EDIDDPI and setting DisplaySize

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** sphery considers plugging a CD drive into an extra computer to check with an Ubuntu LiveCD **

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directhex:

it's not set on ubuntu

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mzb:

I'd suggest to you that oobe's fontsize problems are due to him changing settings to compensate for poor config in the first place

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directhex:

i'd say mzb is right

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sphery:

I haven't looked in many versions of Ubuntu, so it probably has changed, but I'd like to see for myself.

[23:22:53]

directhex:

/usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7

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directhex:

that's the X command line spawned by gdm

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mzb:

time to make porridge for a hungry little girl

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sphery:

No. His font problems were due to running TwinView and not properly configuring Myth--i.e. not setting the Xinerama aspect ratio.

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sphery:

directhex: cool. thx.

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directhex:

except on this box where it's vt9 for some reason

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sphery:

vt9?

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directhex:

as opposed to vt7

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sphery:

yeah, but what are they?

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sphery:

just the virtual terminal #

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directhex:

yes

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sphery:

OK.

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sphery:

I don't specify the VT # when I start X, so it just takes the next available.

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directhex:

right. which is 7 in every distro pretty much ever. except here, for some unknown reason

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directhex:

/etc/inittab is where 1->6 get assigned to getty

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jimmygoon:

Is anyone using an apple tv for a frontend?

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directhex:

not i. i need my optics. and if you're paying for apple, may as well splash out on an HD-capable apple like a mini

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iamlindoro__:

Or at least MWSF 08 when I'll bet anyone 50 bucks it'll get a refresh

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Jiten:

is there an usb or firewire DVB-C receiver that someone here knows will work in Linux?

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directhex:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-C_USB_D . . . _USB_Devices

[23:33:54]

Jiten:

with a ci-slot

[23:34:04]

Jiten:

I already took a look there.

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jimmygoon:

directhex, heh, I don't know of a decent mac mini that I can ebay for $200 :P

[23:36:10]

jimmygoon:

heck, for $150

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directhex:

Jiten, you want a CI slot on a USB device?

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Jiten:

directhex: what other way is there that allows for watching pay channels?

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directhex:

Jiten, well, yeah, but USb devices are generally sold for people who have an issue with space, not who want a full feature set

[23:38:50]

Jiten:

well, firewire is fine too if there is one that works.

[23:39:10]

Jiten:

there are a few firewire devices with CI-slots for sale around here.

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oobe:

does anyone know how i make one large transparent jpg or png

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directhex:

oobe, jpeg doesn't support transparency

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oobe:

ok

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directhex:

Jiten, motorola devices are well supported, generally

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directhex:

and a couple of scientific atlanta boxes

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mzb_d800:

oobe: The Gimp makes it pretty easy

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jimmygoon:

gr, I hate shopping for frontends

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oobe:

mzb, thanks i have gimp not that good at it do u know where abouts ? or maybe i can open one smaller file and make it larfer

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mzb_d800:

jimmygoon: give me the $, I'll do it instead ;)

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sphery:

oobe: add an alpha channel

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jimmygoon:

mzb_d800, heh yeah

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sphery:

oobe: You can also do a File|New and select "Advanced Options" and change "Fill With" to "Transparency"

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mzb_d800:

oobe: File -> New ... Advanced Options -> Fill With -> .... ah fork it ;)

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mzb_d800:

(too slow in my old age;)

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sphery:

you were multithreading 2 convo's. I only had one.

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oobe:

mzb_d800, thanls that worked

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mzb_d800:

that and the 2.5yo ;)

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