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Saturday, December 8th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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black_Nightmare_:

ughh...not to be clueless... RMS?

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rushfan:

My bass amp is 280 RMS Watts

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justinh:

root mean square, i.e. 'real' power output

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rushfan:

But its in the shop right now :(

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justinh:

not "think of a number then multiply it by 40" power

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justinh:

PPMPO & crap

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justinh:

generally when manufacturers don't say Watts RMS they've made it up

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rushfan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_mean_square

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black_Nightmare_:

oh

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justinh:

10000000000W PPPPPPPPPMPO

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justinh:

! :O

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black_Nightmare_:

heh

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justinh:

anyway if you really want to know why not dig out the FM?

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sebrock:

to which database is the frontend logging?

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justinh:

how many databases do you have?

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black_Nightmare_:

hm well so I guess the receiver doesn't use much for being basically a smart switching circuit board itself aside to the front display?

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black_Nightmare_:

<is just curious anyhow ;)

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justinh:

black_Nightmare_: in standby, my Pioneer RXV-457 pulls about 5W

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black_Nightmare_:

thanks..was just curious about it

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justinh:

maybe less

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justinh:

the good thing is – unless it's very broken a receiver/amp should't pull its maximum rated power from the mains all the time ;)

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black_Nightmare_:

heh

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rushfan:

basically, your sound reciever draws in a bunch of power

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rushfan:

Thats converted to the loudspeakers, but first a-lot is lost in heat

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rushfan:

RMS is how much power actually gets to the loudspeakers

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sebrock:

justinh, how do I check these loggings then? I just checked mythbackend.log and it shows nothing from frontend

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justinh:

amps are generally more than 50% efficient these days

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black_Nightmare_:

well I was just curious about a simple central box for the several confusing in&out a/v devices while still respecting a limited electric supply... but we'll just see of course

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justinh:

sebrock: mythfrontend doesn't log to a file unless you've told it to

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** justinh dons his flak jacket & loads up the flamethrowers. time to try asking in #ubuntu **

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rushfan:

justinh: what distro is your main server running on?

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sebrock:

justinh, I checked that it should log. But it only says to database

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sebrock:

now how do I get a hold of these logs?

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justinh:

rushfan: ubuntu

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black_Nightmare_:

justinh..you think an a/v receiver is probably an easy right idea for the problem of having several different a/v items (some are portable so plugged in at whim) all to be sharing into one single set of speakers and then also to that one tv screen altogether? ^_^

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justinh:

sebrock: it only logs if you tell it to, via mythfrontend -l $options $logfile

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sebrock:

justinh, so the option in general settings is nothing?

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justinh:

dunno

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sebrock:

strange

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justinh:

never used it

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rushfan:

Grr. Is there any good mencoder or ffmpeg gui?

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justinh:

ZOMG! the noise, the noise!

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siXy:

black_Nightmare_, thats what I do

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justinh:

gui4ffmpeg ?

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justinh:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

sebrock: The option in there causes stuff to be logged to the database, not to a file

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black_Nightmare_:

thanks sixy ;)

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sebrock:

GreyFoxx, how do I watch that?

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kdubya:

you dont want a gui for mencoder

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GreyFoxx:

I think you can view the datrabase log entries in the system status screen, but honestly I'm never enabled it

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justinh:

ffs I don't stand a chance with "question...i have just installed ubuntu...and im stuck in 800x600 and i wanna chuk my monitor out the window" in there :(

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siXy:

black_Nightmare_, but a good one will et you back a lot of money. if its just for switching, an AV switch might be cheaper

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siXy:

justinh, using an nvidia card by any chance?

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kdubya:

heh

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justinh:

siXy: that wasn't my question :P

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justinh:

my question was about stopping eth0 being reconfigured so my netboot can continue without panicing the kernel

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siXy:

justinh, oh :) i wondered if nvidia-auto-detect wa rearing its ugly head once more :)

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black_Nightmare_:

sixy....how about a well used one? :p

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siXy:

black_Nightmare_, YMMV. personally I wouldnt trust a second hand AV reciever, as they don't always surive abuse well (and many second hand ones are being sold because they hae ben thrashed and no longer work properly)

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otwin:

justinh: did you try killing NetworkManager ?

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justinh:

otwin: that might be a plan

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siXy:

also disable xen's netwok-bridge script, if its installed

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mzb_d800:

rushfan: have a look at avidemux

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otwin:

the problem with NetworkManager is that it tries to simplify things which is ok as long as you do everything through it – classic 'gui vs. config files' problem...

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rushfan:

mzb_d800: but I want my stuff in .mkvs with x264. I better just learn mencoder commands

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mzb_d800:

yep

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rushfan:

ogmrip is great but it only does DVDs :(

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mchou:

sigh. I wonder if we can now count on macrovision to give TV listings

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kdubya:

you dont have to LEARN the mencoder commands

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rushfan:

macrovision?

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rushfan:

kdubya: I meant man mencoder

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rushfan:

And read it

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kdubya:

exactly

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mchou:

macrovision bought Gemstar TVGuide

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kdubya:

which takes no longer than it would to use a gui

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rushfan:

True true

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rushfan:

Whats Gemstar TVGuide?

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rushfan:

Is that other XML TV service still working?

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rushfan:

I have a script that scrubs yahoo's tv listings

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rushfan:

it works really well

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black_Nightmare_:

sixy...heh I got my tv well used (had to wet-rag wipe it well especially on the top..meh) but it works really nicely ... etc ... so I guess to our own :p

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mchou:

dunt think gemstar tvguide ever used xml

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mchou:

dont*

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mzb_d800:

justinh: remove the eth0 definition in /etc/network/interfaces

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justinh:

mzb_d800: there aren't any definitions of eth0 in there

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mzb_d800:

(or just specify it as static|manual)

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mchou:

Gemstar TVGuide was always lame. Macrovision is lamer

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jeffery:

Can't I burn my transcoded videos onto dvd via myth archive? It always complains about "Error: Encoding profile (NONE) not found"

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rushfan:

http://zap2xml.110mb.com/ --> good stuff

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mchou:

I dont understand why Macrovision found Gemstar TVGuide was attractive to them

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rushfan:

anyone here use that $5 a month xml tv listing service/

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mchou:

rushfan: lol. are you trolling?

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rushfan:

mchou: ... no

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rushfan:

Im asking

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rushfan:

Because I miss my old free XML service from zap2it

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mchou:

ask xris. he's on the board

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rushfan:

Apparently its $20 a year now

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mchou:

that's better than $5/mo :)

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rushfan:

A-lot better than it as

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kdubya:

you dont use schedules direct?

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rushfan:

kdubya: nope

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rushfan:

Was too lazy to sign up/ too cheap to pay

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kdubya:

why the hell not

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xris:

hasn't been $5/month for ages..

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kdubya:

$20/year is plenty close to free

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rushfan:

Well, my scrubber doesnt have as good of details.

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rushfan:

But it works flawlessly

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kdubya:

$5/month was like for 2 weeks

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rushfan:

I'll probably sign up when I get my HD tuner

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xris:

though we did just enable a "$5 for 2 months" plan for people who aren't ready to commit to a full year (e.g. people just testing out mythtv to see if they like it)

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xris:

rushfan: not to mention that the scrapers are generally in violation of the ToS of the sites they scrape.

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rushfan:

xris: do you guys have QAM cable channels with your listings?

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otwin:

in europe we would be happy to pay 20$ for reliable, complete and good quality epg data...

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xris:

rushfan: it's the same data that Z2L used.

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kdubya:

you can map any channel to anything you want dude

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xris:

otwin: SD will eventually look into that.

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rushfan:

Im going to get confused when I have an analog tuner and two HD tuners I think. Will channels numbers conflict? Anyone have a similar set-up?

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rushfan:

at least a mix of one analog and one hd tuner?

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mchou:

otwin: that's cause US$20 in europe doent buy much :)

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kdubya:

it is separate rushfan

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rushfan:

xris: yeah I figured so. I just kinda, didnt read the ToS on purpose to spare my conscience

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otwin:

xris: did you have contact with epgdata.com?

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otwin:

mchou: :-)

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rushfan:

kdubya: ARe the channels just different numbers, or you tell mythtv you want to watch w/ a different tuner?

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mzb_d800:

rushfan: yes, kind of ... it's all configurable (I'm not in US ... ie: not using SD)

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kdubya:

the numbers are whatever you want them to be

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rushfan:

Oh. I see

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kdubya:

i mapped my HD local channels to the same numbers that they come in on cable

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kdubya:

because that is what i already had memorized

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rushfan:

Good idea. But I thought only some of the shows on those channels were broadcast in hd?

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mchou:

otwin: I doubt you can even get toblerone in Europe for US$20

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rushfan:

Do you still get the rest of the stuff anyhow, just not in hd?

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kdubya:

the local channels always broadcast

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kdubya:

sometimes it is not HD though

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rushfan:

Oh ok

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mchou:

otwin: probably menthos due to their lame commercials :)

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otwin:

mchou: well toblerone on airports has a special price

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rushfan:

Too bad my projector doesnt have HDMI. :(

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rushfan:

I think VGA isnt the best for HD

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kdubya:

does it have DVI?

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rushfan:

No :(

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mzb_d800:

isn't there a flag that shows the difference between a true HD programme, and an upscaled one?

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rushfan:

It does support up to 1080i

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mchou:

otwin: more or less expensive at airports?

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kdubya:

ive never seen a TV plugged in with vga, but i know i cannot tell a damn bit of difference between dvi and vga on computer monitors

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otwin:

mchou: much more

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rushfan:

I can. Granted it could just be the monitors...

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mzb_d800:

kdubya: I can ... VGA sucks (not enough bandwidth)

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rushfan:

kdubya: you've never seen a projector hooked up to a laptop?

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rushfan:

I could use an svideo -> component converter

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kdubya:

ive never seen a home theater projector

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rushfan:

but Im not sure if that would be much better

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kdubya:

i have lived a sheltered life

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rushfan:

Oh, like a DLP one

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rushfan:

they're pretty convenient. Not quite as good looking as plasma granted

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rushfan:

But still good

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kdubya:

is your projector HD?

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rushfan:

Yes

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kdubya:

because svideo is not HD

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rushfan:

1080i

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rushfan:

Well then Ill just use VGa. I Guess its the best thing I can get

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kdubya:

yeah

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rushfan:

Unless I can find a gfx card with component out

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rushfan:

Im getting a sound card w/ optical out for my home theater reciever

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williammanda__:

anyone use snapstream firefly or X10 remote?

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ARfdee:

help friends

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ARfdee:

i want to record a news program at 5pm each weekday

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ARfdee:

and i set that up but it keeps thinking the next one is a rerun

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rushfan:

So do a manual record

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rushfan:

Just tell it record in that timeslot every damn day

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ARfdee:

rushfan: i did, goober

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mchou:

ARfdee: set the option "match duplicates" to "off"

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mchou:

should work

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ARfdee:

mchou: there's no such option i see in webmin

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mchou:

lol

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ARfdee:

err

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mchou:

webmin aint end all be all

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ARfdee:

mythweb

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ARfdee:

:)

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mchou:

use the normal gui i/f

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ARfdee:

it has "check for duplicates in..."

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ARfdee:

and "duplicate check method

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ARfdee:

neither of which give you the option to not do so

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rushfan:

ARfdee: you went to manaul record

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ARfdee:

mchou: i had had it working before, but i had to switch it recently because i switched from sat to cable

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otwin:

xris: you guys probably know, but just in case: epgdata.com has plans to sell epg data in xml format in 2008 to private customers – there now is a beta xmltv 'grabber' and they give away trial access PINs. i could imagin that they are interested to distribute their data through an existing service like SD.

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** justinh goes to watch some TV for a rest from the console **

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xris:

otwin: interesting

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xris:

I know that someone was going to ask epgdata.com about it for us

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xris:

or about the service in general.

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xris:

anyway, time for me to go home.

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ARfdee:

mchou: is there something new recently?

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ARfdee:

should i not choose "record this program in this timeslot every day?

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mchou:

ARfdee: I dont know what dope you're smoking

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mchou:

there is clearly a "dont match duplicates" option

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ARfdee:

mchou: what are you talking about, ghostrider?

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ARfdee:

mchou: yes, in custom recordings

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ARfdee:

woops

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ARfdee:

haha

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mchou:

dumbass

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ARfdee:

i just looked there

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ARfdee:

i don't know why i didn't see "none"

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mchou:

cause you're blind and a dumbass

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ARfdee:

mchou: well, there's a duplicate checking option, and one of the options is none

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ARfdee:

mchou: don't be a jerk

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ARfdee:

it's not even called what you just said, anyway

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mchou:

ARfdee: dont be a dumbass

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ARfdee:

mchou: well, considering it's not called what you just quoted...

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ARfdee:

what does that make you?

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ARfdee:

other than a doofus?

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ARfdee:

thought so

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rushfan:

mchou: come now he was clueless but try not to curse out the newbs

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rushfan:

I just dont help them :P

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mchou:

lead an ass to water.....

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kdubya:

mythfrontend is segfaulting right after the prescaling images screen

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kdubya:

has been for like a week now

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kdubya:

could someone take a look at this log file

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rushfan:

:o Try recompiling?

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kdubya:

and maybe like

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kdubya:

prevent a suicide

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kdubya:

man ive recompiled this crap about 100 times

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kdubya:

http://pastebin.com/m12989a9a

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rushfan:

damn

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rushfan:

kdubya: what distro?

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kdubya:

fedora 8

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kdubya:

it was working until i downloaded some dependencies for compiling a n64 emulator

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rushfan:

Fedora 8 i source based?

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kdubya:

no

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kdubya:

i just like the video stuff in svn

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

and why would you NEED the svn stuff right now?

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rushfan:

Hmm...

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kdubya:

who said i needed anything

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rushfan:

Theres really no error. at least what I see

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rushfan:

I just see myslq crap, then segfault

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kdubya:

yeah, there is no error

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rushfan:

what were the dependencies?

[01:01:58]

kdubya:

thats what is driving me nutes

[01:02:09]

kdubya:

just some gnome and python crap

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mchou:

there's a very obvious error

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siXy:

mchou, maybe he wants multirec...

[01:02:48]

mchou:

siXy: but notice he didnt say that

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kdubya:

dude

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kdubya:

whats the obvious error

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mchou:

siXy: especially since I asked him

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kdubya:

i like the video stuff in svn

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kdubya:

i like the resolution dependent playback settings

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rushfan:

mchou: is the very obvious error the segmenttion fault?

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kdubya:

yeah i was sort of thinking before the seg fault

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mchou:

rushfan: nope, not what I was referring to

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rushfan:

Well then what is it if you wouldnt mind sharing?

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ARfdee:

ah that dumb gspca

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ARfdee:

that's what caused the problem

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ARfdee:

it moved ivtv to video1 again

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otwin:

ARfdee: you can tell ivtv devices what video dev to get when loading modules – can't remember what the option is though

[01:10:51]

ARfdee:

otwin: i tried that a while back and even #ivtv-dev couldn't tell me how:)

[01:11:16]

ARfdee:

rushfan: don't worry, he's a jerk to everyone

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ARfdee:

rushfan: you can always try mythtvtalk.com's forums

[01:11:44]

kdubya:

there are like 9 people on mythtvtalk

[01:12:21]

ARfdee:

kdubya: no, the forums

[01:12:23]

ARfdee:

not the irc

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ARfdee:

kdubya: what distro?

[01:12:49]

kdubya:

what distro for what?

[01:12:57]

kdubya:

i have not asked a question with you in here

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kdubya:

heh

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ARfdee:

what distribution do you have that it is segfaulting on

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kdubya:

i use fedora though

[01:13:11]

ARfdee:

f8?

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kdubya:

dude you are psychic

[01:13:14]

kdubya:

yes

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ARfdee:

rushfan told me

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kdubya:

ah

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ARfdee:

what's the problem?

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kdubya:

http://pastebin.com/m12989a9a

[01:13:41]

kdubya:

frontend just segfaults

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ARfdee:

are you using atrpms?

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kdubya:

nah svn

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ARfdee:

oh, any particular reason why?

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ARfdee:

why not just use fedora mythology setup?

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rushfan:

kdubya: you tried recompiling right?

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rushfan:

?in case the deps got broken

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kdubya:

its been set up

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kdubya:

i have been running svn for 6 months

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kdubya:

it just stopped working

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ARfdee:

oh

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rushfan:

sounds like a broken dependency to me

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ARfdee:

try debug mode

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kdubya:

im updating the whole machine now

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ARfdee:

otwin: so no ideas about forcing ivtv to use video1?

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otwin:

ARfdee: ivtv_first_minor=<number>

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kdubya:

guess ill try to get lucky rather than understand what is going on

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ARfdee:

option ivtv_first_minor=1 just that?

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otwin:

ARfdee: try searching the ivtv ML at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv

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otwin:

ARfdee: i don't use it – you have to look up the details yourself

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ARfdee:

k thx sir

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ARfdee:

otwin: thanks!:)

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ARfdee:

hi xris

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** xris likes his new commute **

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ARfdee:

that's weird that you can't schedule recordings if myth doesn't detect your tuner on the same videox anymore

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ARfdee:

of course you can't record, but you can't even do recordings and it won't tell you why

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Noble:

anyone know why the lircd.conf on the mythtv wiki for dish network receivers isn't working?

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williammanda__:

anyone use snapstream firefly or X10 remote?

[03:20:19]

Der_Thomas:

I use some X10 stuff, but what is X10 remote?

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williammanda__:

used for media

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Der_Thomas:

Oh, like inplace of lirc?

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williammanda__:

no use lirc

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Der_Thomas:

OK, I see. Well I haven't used X10 remote, but I've used lirc if you have a question about that

[03:23:27]

williammanda__:

i have a question using X10, firefly, etc...

[03:24:55]

Der_Thomas:

sorry, I would suggest asking and maybe someone will see and answer

[03:25:06]

Der_Thomas:

or you might want to wait for a busier time

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williammanda__:

i have 2 remotes using the same channel frequency.....how can i separate them?

[03:25:16]

Der_Thomas:

not too many people around right now

[03:25:59]

Der_Thomas:

2 remotes on the same system?

[03:27:50]

williammanda__:

2 remotes that use the same freqency's

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Der_Thomas:

right, but I mean are they trying to control the same stuff?

[03:29:09]

williammanda__:

no.....control different computers

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Der_Thomas:

are they "learning" remotes?

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williammanda__:

1 remote for each computer

[03:32:00]

williammanda__:

but each remote is on the same freqency

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Der_Thomas:

Sorry, williammanda, not sure exactly what you are talking about, but from my little experience with X10, can you change the "house code"

[03:34:27]

GreyFoxx:

Der_Thomas: He is referring to X10 RF remote controls with aUSB dongle/receiver on the PC

[03:34:52]

GreyFoxx:

both of his remotes are using the same RF frequency and have nothing to do with the standard X10 home automation controls other than the company name

[03:37:31]

Der_Thomas:

gotcha, sorry, I was reaching there. I really don't know anything about this

[03:37:32]

jams:

i sure don't know of any way to change that

[03:38:25]

jams:

GreyFoxx- are you familiar with network booting? is it possible to boot a default image for all machines unless otherwise specified in the config file?

[03:38:54]

jams:

still reading have yet to try anything

[03:40:43]

justinh:

jams: sure you can – there are a few ways to do it

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justinh:

jams: in the pxelinux.cfg dir you can have a 'default' file and files named after the mac id of the ethernet controller you want to make unique – you then specify thekernel images in the 'default' and mac-id-foo-bar files

[03:42:26]

justinh:

by default PXE will look for the mac id file first, then eventually give up & go for 'default'

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jams:

sounds like what i want

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jams:

all the configs i have see only show the mac id example

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Anduin:

it walks through subnets before hitting default as well

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justinh:

I've been having fun with netbooting recently and it's still not over. gonna have to resort to building a kernel. initramfs just aint doing it for me

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justinh:

gonna go to bed though. building a kernel at 4am isn't a recipe for success

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Anduin:

nash getting nfs mount support made my life much easier

[03:45:31]

justinh:

gutsy has a new kind of initrmfs generator tool & I can't find much online doc for it

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justinh:

think I'll give up on that & just buld it into the kernel. either that or cop out & make a usb stick boot & mount the nfs root

[03:46:15]

justinh:

anyway.. Zzzz

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jams:

night

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jams:

well it looks like everything should work like i want..just need to sit down and try it

[03:56:27]

jams:

hmm and compile some options into the kernel

[04:09:29]

anenigma:

hmm. i'm doing my "mute/unmute mic with lirc" thing to play ipod-etc music. however, myth volume controls only seem to work while watching media. anyone know a way around this, without resorting to not using myth's internal volume controls?

[04:10:39]

Der_Thomas:

anyone know how to change the default start and end times for recordings from one minute before and after to zero minutes?

[04:11:25]

Der_Thomas:

when I schedule one recording right after another it says there is a conflict due to the recordings starting 12 min pre and ending 1 min post

[04:11:43]

Der_Thomas:

I want to set ALL by default to jsut record the actual scheduled times

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oobe:

how many encoders do u have?

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Der_Thomas:

just one

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oobe:

i see your problem then

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Der_Thomas:

yeah what a pain

[04:15:21]

oobe:

your the guy how gets tv data 4 mins late

[04:15:44]

Der_Thomas:

what?

[04:16:34]

oobe:

i guess you could remove the default recording times and set the first recording to start and end one time and the last recording to start early and finish late

[04:17:02]

oobe:

you would just have to remember to change start and end times

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Der_Thomas:

yeah that is what I do now, by default the start end end times are set to 1 min pre and 1 min post. What I want to know is how to change these deafults

[04:18:21]

oobe:

oh sorry one sec

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oobe:

i did it in mythweb from memory

[04:19:29]

ARfdee:

anyone using the compiz workaround?

[04:20:25]

oobe:

so when you schedule 2 recordings next to each other you can change it in mythweb http://localhost/mythweb/tv/upcoming

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Der_Thomas:

hmmm, I don't use mythweb

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jams:

Der_Thomas- look under "set recording priorities"

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oobe:

then go to manage recordings / upcoming recordings

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jams:

there are two options there "default start early" "default end late"

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Der_Thomas:

jams, yeah that is wha tI'm looking for, where is that?

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jams:

tv settings->recording priorites->set recording priorities

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Der_Thomas:

AHHH YES!!

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Der_Thomas:

I looked *everywhere* for that

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jams:

i will admit the wording could be a bit better

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Der_Thomas:

do you know if that will only apply to recordings set after I made this change or does it affect all recordings set with "default" times

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rushfan:

kdubya: any luck?

[04:25:47]

jams:

i don't know. my guess would be is would change all of them after the scheduler is run again.

[04:25:59]

jams:

but i really don't know

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levander:

Is getting a draft 802.11n over a 802.11g router going to help me very much in streaming Myth?

[06:13:57]

Dr_willis:

well the claims of 'n' are its a lot faster.. :) but I imagine your Speeds will vary.

[06:15:29]

levander:

The reason I'm thinking it won't matter is I only need it fast enough to stream video in real-time. 802.11b's max is 54Mbps, this wikipedia article is claiming the real throughput is 19Mbps.

[06:15:58]

levander:

Maybe you need the extra speed for HD, but I'm not doing HD right now, and by the time I do, the price of those routers will probably have come down.

[06:16:41]

oobe:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11#802.11n its says here its release date is 2009

[06:17:14]

levander:

oobe: But, some companies are already doing draft-n routers: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124081

[06:17:22]

levander:

That's the one I want, if I go draft-n.

[06:17:32]

oobe:

oh ok

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levander:

I'm gonna search mythtv-users

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levander:

It seems like they're saying you need 802.11n for HD, not SD: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 2.11;#260601

[06:28:27]

levander:

Man the Linksys 802.11g routers are ugly.

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Patina:

Is PVR-500 still the best choice for mythtv?

[07:19:14]

siXy:

if dual analogue tuners are what you want, then yes

[07:23:12]

Patina:

Thanks, and it is.

[07:23:47]

Patina:

It's still quite expensive though.

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xris:

slightly more than two pvr-150s

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Patina:

They actually are, how odd.

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xris:

not really

[07:38:35]

Patina:

No?

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Tanthrix:

Indeed. For the same reason a laptop is more expensive than a comparable desktop.

[07:38:48]

xris:

you're paying for what is basically two pvr-150s, but in a smaller package (one card vs two)

[07:40:03]

Patina:

It's not really a smaller package.

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Patina:

Just more components mountet on one (bigger) board.

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Tanthrix:

Patina: So you were on the design team that made both cards, and can attest to the fact that the PVR-500 uses identical components to two PVR-150s?

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siXy:

Patina, you are forgetting that the manufacturing costs and the costs of the components are very low (the actual tuner can excepted). you pay a small premium for the -500 becuase its a little bit more difficult to design the circuit layout so that it fits on a single board

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Tanthrix:

Patina: Don't you think if there was that much free room on a regular PVR-150 that they'd reduce the board size to save some money? ;)

[07:45:10]

Patina:

I have only seen pictures of both and it looks like the 500 is bigger than the 150. I would expect the 500 to be cheaper since some components are not doubled, like the S-VHS connector.

[07:46:29]

Tanthrix:

That's probably the only component that isn't doubled on the whole thing. There's also the addition of the built in splitter to compensate for the .1 cent that saves.

[07:46:37]

Tanthrix:

Overall, seems fair to me.

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clever_:

Patina: ive heard that it has an internal pci bus with a pci bridge

[07:47:05]

clever_:

Patina: which makes it sound like that didnt even bother merging the 2 systems into a single pci device

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levander:

Don't some people get the 150 and the 350, then use some kind of TV-out on the 350?

[07:48:19]

clever_:

i think the 350 has a mpeg2 DEcoder to take the load off the main cpu

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Patina:

siXy: It also cost more to handle two units rather than one.

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levander:

nvidia cards have decoders too,

[07:49:14]

levander:

does the 350 decoder have the same xvmc problems (ie no PiP) as the nvidia cards do?

[07:49:22]

clever_:

i think thats just abusing the 3d pipelining chips to do video decoding

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** cesman would only recommend the 350's out if you don't have a powerful CPU **

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levander:

clever_: You don't do any 3d on a myth box.

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Tanthrix:

It's just not worth the troubles of running Myth on an underpowered system. Too many issues.

[07:50:12]

siXy:

Patina, I dont think you understand how incredibly cheap these components are, and how very difficult circuit design is

[07:50:32]

clever_:

levander: yeah its putting the 3d acceleration chips to use for video decoding

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levander:

clever_: But, if you're not doing any 3d, so what?

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Tanthrix:

levander: clever is referring to what XvMC is (ie, not a dedicated hardware mpeg2 decoder like what the 350 has)

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siXy:

levander, the 350 is a legacy part now, made obselete by modern hardware. nothing even remotely recent needs or wants a 350 to do its video decoding

[07:51:17]

clever_:

yeah

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clever_:

the video card basicaly has several stages to the video processing that can be programed to customize the 3d video effects

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Patina:

siXy: development cost doesn't matter much, if only you produce in high enough numbers.

[07:52:21]

clever_:

and it can run a certain part of the stage in paralel(render 500 pixels at once)

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Patina:

And you are right, I have no idea how much circuit design costs.

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clever_:

by making code for that that decodes video it can decode many parts of the frame at once

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clever_:

so it needs a lower clock rate overall

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clever_:

instead of 1 guy counting the sand on the beach at 100 grains/sec you have 20

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clever_:

so you appear to get 20000 grains/sec of speed

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clever_:

aslong as you device the beach up and they dont step on eachother or throw sand into eachothers area

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clever_:

devide*

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Patina:

A NOVA-T-500 is about 20% cheaper than two NOVA-T.

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Tanthrix:

And? DVB cards do not perform the same function as analog tuners. Much simpler design.

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Patina:

Tanthrix: Yes, I just realized that.

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Patina:

Only one tuner.

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Tanthrix:

And that actually just proves that Hauppuage isn't just inflating the price of the PVR-500 because they can, since they would arguably do the same for the Nova-T-500. Instead, it suggests there is a reason that it is more expensive.

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artus30:

Hello all

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artus30:

2 short questions

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xris:

nope, those were both comments

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artus30:

anybody using Premiere with mythtv? I have a colleague who has ordered it but the sports ppv channels get updated names regulary

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artus30:

I have found a patch for that in Internet but no plans if it will be included some time

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xris:

what's Premiere?

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artus30:

Its a german pay tv channel

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xris:

might try #mythtv-de

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artus30:

ok

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artus30:

2nd question

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artus30:

is there a fix for the weather plugin?

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artus30:

It does not work since some time anymore

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artus30:

I was hoping that it would be ok in newer versions but its not

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Anduin:

artus30: There is a somewhat working version in svn and a patch floating around somewhere to get the old version working.

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Patina:

It seems there are two versions of PVR-500MCE, one the encodes both MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 and one that only encodes MPEG-2. Why would I prefer MPEG-1?

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Tanthrix:

You wouldn't.

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Patina:

Just as I thought.

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Tanthrix:

Maybe to make making a VCD easier, but I don't even know if that is the case for sure.

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Patina:

"Hauppauge WinTV PVR 500 MCE Whitebox" is cheaper than "Hauppauge WinTV PVR-500MCE". What is a whitebox?

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jhulst:

Patina: More of an OEM box, probably doesn't come with the store box and perhaps no owners manual

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jhulst:

Looks like the whitebox doesn't come with a remote either

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Patina:

jhulst: My guess was no remote control, but the price difference is about 40 dollars.

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Patina:

Well, guess that _is_ the answer then.

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Patina:

jhulst: Where did you find it?

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jhulst:

Newegg doesn't show a picture of the remote with the whitebox, When I got my PVR-150 it was the same way

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PaulWay:

Hi alL!

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PaulWay:

I'm having trouble getting a new install of the minimyth system up and running (local boot) – where do I put its configuration?

[10:11:46]

PaulWay:

If I have it set to MM_BOOT_TYPE=local it just hangs waiting for /minimyth to mount, and if I have it set to MM_BOOT_TYPE=network it doesn't read the config files no matter where I seem to put them.

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oobe:

PaulWay, maybe u could try using a normal fe

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PaulWay:

oobe: ah, I would if I could. But this is my brother's – I'm fixing it for him.

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PaulWay:

I take it the minimyth isn't popular around here...

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oobe:

probably not i had to google it to find out about it apparently its for a specific motherboard is that correct?

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PaulWay:

No, not specifically AFAICT.

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PaulWay:

But it's designed for cut-down systems, predominately the Via EPIA motherboard.

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oobe:

really wait a sec can i show you the link i found

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oobe:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Install_Minimyth

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PaulWay:

Ah, that'll come in useful. Thanks oobe!

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oobe:

if its diskless how do you install it

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PaulWay:

In this case, a CF card; otherwise, network boot.

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oobe:

yeah i see im reading it now looks very interesting

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oobe:

but i have no use for it good luck

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Hoxzer:

HMm, Seems like mythfrontend's EPG doesn't take lirc commands (expect first button press) if the window isn't selected

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oobe:

you mean when you press I

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ARfdee:

hi, for alsa with mythtv, i use ALSA:default and tell it to use /dev/adsp or /dev/dsp?

[10:40:09]

ARfdee:

i know /dev/dsp is oss

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oobe:

i think there is a default for /dev aswell

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PaulWay:

Is it alsa that provides /dev/dsp support, PulseAudio, or both?

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oobe:

probably /dev/dsp at a guess

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oobe:

i never heard os asdp

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oobe:

of*

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oobe:

does anyone know some good scripts to download tv episode data for mythvideo like imdb.pl but for tv eps

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ARfdee:

what do you put for audio output device?

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ARfdee:

alsa:default?

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ARfdee:

ALSA:default?

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ARfdee:

if so, waht do you put for mixer device?

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Hoxzer:

Maan, it is ALSA:default :(

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Hoxzer:

to the mixer too

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Hoxzer:

4

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ARfdee:

i did that

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ARfdee:

for both

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ARfdee:

and volume changes do nothing

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ARfdee:

Hoxzer: what do i put for mixer device?

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ARfdee:

can i leave it pcm?

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ARfdee:

"mixer controls

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Hoxzer:

ARfdee: ALSA:default to the "mixer device"

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ARfdee:

yes, but mixer controls

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ARfdee:

what do i put?

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Hoxzer:

.....it is the same... as in the audio output...

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ARfdee:

Hoxzer: do you understand that i did not say mixer device?

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ARfdee:

there is audio output, mixer device, mixer controls

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ARfdee:

i am asking about mixer controls

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ARfdee:

ok, apparently hoxzer doesn't, can someone else tell me what mixer controls to use?

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Hoxzer:

ARfdee: :D just try TO put ALSA:default to the mixer device... it is the same btw wiki has a document about this somewhere

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ARfdee:

Hoxzer: please, for the 3rd time, i am not talking about the mixer device

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Hoxzer:

Oh PCM there

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oobe:

ya

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ARfdee:

so on that page, you put ALSA:default, ALSA:default, PCM?

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oobe:

ya

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ARfdee:

i think mine is called front

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oobe:

ya

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ARfdee:

or "Wave"

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ARfdee:

oobe: what are you doing?

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oobe:

sorry

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oobe:

i think alsa alsa pcm is what i use

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oobe:

ya

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oobe:

does anyone know some good scripts to download tv episode data for mythvideo like imdb.pl but for tv eps

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PaulWay:

Haven't heard of anything like that, oobe .

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sebrock:

how do I log mythfrontend to a file?

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oobe:

i have found reference to one on a mailing list but couldnt find the script

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PaulWay:

sebrock: run it from the command line and do "mythfrontend > logfile"

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sebrock:

PaulWay: thats all? "mythfrontend > name of logfile"?

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sebrock:

can I set it up to automaticly log to /var/log/mythfrontend.log every time?

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PaulWay:

well, it'd be better as /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log, but I'm not sure how to do that.

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sebrock:

ok

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sebrock:

anyone lese?

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sebrock:

*else

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sebrock:

what is: Failed to run 'cdrecord --scanbus'

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directhex:

scans yuor SCSI bus for cd recorders

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FinnTux:

sebrock, you have cdrecord installed

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FinnTux:

or cdrecord linked to wodim

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directhex:

or cdrskin linked to wodim

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directhex:

cdrskin's the only one without j00ooOO00oo00rg schilling's taint

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sebrock:

FinnTux: I do have a CD recorder, so its not working then :/

[11:48:31]

FinnTux:

sebrock, yes, but do you have command called cdrecord (or wodim) installed?

[11:49:33]

sebrock:

dunno? Im not at that computer right now. SHould I have it?

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FinnTux:

<sebrock> what is: Failed to run 'cdrecord --scanbus' <- apparently :)

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justinh:

oh ffs where oh where does apt put the kernel source when you download it?

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anykey_:

/usr/src afaik

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FinnTux:

/usr/src

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directhex:

it puts a tarball in /usr/src

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justinh:

yeah that's what you'd think

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directhex:

justinh, what package did you actually install?

[11:51:41]

FinnTux:

well, it does in debian

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justinh:

ahh! helps if you get linux-source :P

[11:52:04]

directhex:

remember that linux-source has little relationship to the actual running kernels

[11:52:32]

justinh:

what does that mean?

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justinh:

meaning you need to configure the kernel yourself? I can handle that

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directhex:

it means the linux-source-2.6.22 package isn't used to generate the binary kernels in ubuntu, nor in debian.

[11:53:32]

FinnTux:

untar linux-source, copy /boot/config-<version> to .config, compile and you will have current kernel image

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directhex:

just try & get into the habit of using make-kpkg instead of "make install"

[11:54:10]

justinh:

make-who?

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FinnTux:

yes, make-kpkg makes it all easier

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justinh:

and yes I've been reading the ubunuts howto on building kernels. it doesn't make things very much clearer

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directhex:

make-kpkg generates kernel packages from kernel source

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FinnTux:

make-kpkg --initrd --revision 1 kernel-image kernel-package

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FinnTux:

no no no

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FinnTux:

kernel-headers is the last one

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FinnTux:

kernel-package is package containing needed toolls

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FinnTux:

tools*

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FinnTux:

after compile you have nice .debs in /usr/src

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justinh:

it's years since I had to build a kernel myself. very rusty. I only know make menuconfig, make, make build (or whatever it was) method – then copy the kernel, initrd, .config to /boot

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justinh:

I'm happy still doing it that way if it'll work. this is only so I can make netbooting work anyway

[12:00:31]

justinh:

I'd even be fine just copying the kernel image & stuff to the tftboot dir – doesn't even have to go on the HDD

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FinnTux:

k

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FinnTux:

plain make is ok in that case

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FinnTux:

easier even

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justinh:

cool :)

[12:04:09]

FinnTux:

actually that is what I did too :)

[12:04:15]

justinh:

I like the old fashioned way. I did it so many times when I was still under the cosh of gentoo

[12:04:27]

justinh:

but that's all a very long time ago now ;)

[12:05:39]

FinnTux:

hehe

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FinnTux:

debian way makes it easier to handle kernels with apt. installing, removing etc

[12:06:48]

FinnTux:

btw, you might wanna copy /boot/config-<currentkernel> to .config before running make menuconfig

[12:07:05]

FinnTux:

I don't know how the defaults are kernel-sources

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justinh:

wtf is all this question asking bobbins when I run make?!

[12:08:00]

justinh:

Choose SLAB allocator.. what?!

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FinnTux:

hehe

[12:10:22]

FinnTux:

things improve over time...

[12:10:36]

justinh:

and menuconfig isn't working :(

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justinh:

BAD ubuntu!

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FinnTux:

install libncurses5-dev

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justinh:

hahaha

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anykey_:

anyone using nforce6 series chipset with linux? Does the ethernet port work with forcedeth.c?

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justinh:

cheers.

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RockHound:

hi everyone. I seem to have a problem between the ears in that I am somehow "loosing" recordings. That means they do not show up once recorded in the Media->Recordings ... They are not expired by the backend ... could someone please help me clear this up? I might just misunderstand this.

[12:18:41]

RockHound:

media->recordings only shows the "Live TV" recordings ...

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FinnTux:

can you select default recordings group (press 'm' for menu)

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RockHound:

FinnTux: thanks a bunch!

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FinnTux:

np

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DustyBin:

what kind of guidlines can i follow if i wanted to create a theme for mythtv .21 ?

[12:48:17]

DustyBin:

maybe i could install .21 svn in vmware and work from there

[12:52:10]

DustyBin:

i think it might help if i bought a widescreen TV before i attempt to create a theme

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mzb_d800:

a chroot would probably do the job

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DustyBin:

ok

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mzb_d800:

ask one of the theme guys for advice

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DustyBin:

i am a apple mac artworker by trade and i will do all the artwork on photoshop on my mac

[12:53:23]

mzb_d800:

eg. off the top of the head, justinh and gbee come to mind

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DustyBin:

ok

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mzb_d800:

vmplayer|vmware sounds like overkill

[12:54:47]

mzb_d800:

(as if a chroot isn't bad enough;)

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DustyBin:

before i start creating a theme im going to buy a little 26" widescreen for my bedroom

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DustyBin:

ill keep my 15" 4:3 for testing 4:3 versions

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BULLE:

DustyBin: dont your mac have a widescreen screen ?

[12:55:57]

DustyBin:

it does yes

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BULLE:

so, then you are safe, basicly

[12:56:03]

** DustyBin didnt think of that **

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DustyBin:

i thought there are other issues like overscan etc

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DustyBin:

using a computer monitor and tv are different things

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BULLE:

DustyBin: well, there are issues like overscan etc, but its depending on the tv, so its not something you can correct for in the theme

[12:57:18]

DustyBin:

ok

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mzb_d800:

but if you only do widescreen themes I (for one) will be sending your themes to > /dev/null (along with those other devs that want a mac mini;)))

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DustyBin:

ok

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BULLE:

mzb_d800: a mac-mini must surely be able to drive a widescreen ?

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BULLE:

heck, i dont think i can buy a 4:3 screen anymore here =/

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mzb_d800:

talk to jh about that ;)

[12:59:33]

mzb_d800:

I've just been "donated" a 48" rptv ... not likely to get a widescreen *anything* for several years

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mzb_d800:

(even if I sell the rptv)

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BULLE:

i mean, apple doesnt sell non widescreen screens anymore do they ?

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DustyBin:

minimal is the key to a nice looking theme

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BULLE:

so it would be pretty insane if they sell a mac-mini with no screen to go with it

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DustyBin:

minimal + nice type setting + minimal gfx

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BULLE:

DustyBin: yes, and something that loks good on both small and big screen

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

I might even buy a beer for the author of a theme like that :)

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DustyBin:

ive always wanted to see a theme with a linux tux on it too

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mzb_d800:

(if the satisfaction of building it was not enough;))

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mzb_d800:

I'm prepared to contribute ... but I'm not convinced my artwork would be good enough

[13:04:16]

** BULLE likes larry the cow way more then tux **

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mzb_d800:

I could be convinced, however, to learn the new muthui method

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DustyBin:

theres the artwork and the technical side of how to create a working theme, i need to get my head around the technical side of it first before i start the artwork

[13:05:26]

DustyBin:

photoshop ftw :D

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BULLE:

Larry is probably one of the first transgender/sexually ambiguous animal mascots in Linux history.

[13:05:54]

DustyBin:

working in layers will be a big advantage when doing artwork for something like a mythtv theme

[13:05:57]

mzb_d800:

DB, I'm suggesting I might be interested in bridging the gap, if you can do nice artwork

[13:06:18]

BULLE:

DustyBin: http://www.smartart.it/works/gentoo/larry_the_cow-full.svg

[13:06:22]

DustyBin:

hehe

[13:06:37]

** DustyBin bookmarks **

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mzb_d800:

as long as our work is not for (direct) profit

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BULLE:

DustyBin: its realy the gentoo linux mascot i guess, but its still nice

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justinh:

DustyBin: if you're thinking about making a whole new theme from scratch I'd say hold off til the mythui port is done. ou don't want to have to reinvent the wheel

[13:07:50]

justinh:

as for 43 themes.. screw those guys :P

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justinh:

4:3 I mean

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mzb_d800:

;P

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DustyBin:

aye ok justinh

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BULLE:

justinh: agreed!

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BULLE:

justinh: they should get the black letterbox screen they deserve

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mzb_d800:

iow: DB, get started on some backgrounds + ideas and we'll work out the rest later ;)

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DustyBin:

in the mean time, im going to research and buy a 26" widescreen

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mzb_d800:

BULLE: bite my letterbox !

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BULLE:

mzb_d800: =D

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mzb_d800:

justinh: don't bother posting any of those (beautiful) wide things into my letterbox either! ;)

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mzb_d800:

(I'm not that kind of guy;P)

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... I think the combination of beer and my 1st LUG has gone to my head ... I'd best tone it down now ;)

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fxr_:

hi , i am launching an internet video stream from a customised mythtv menu.. and i cache 8mb of it so a user is left with no feedback as to whats going on whilst mplayer is starting the stream ...

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fxr_:

anyone any ideas what i can do in terms of offering the user some feedback as to whats going on?

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DustyBin:

this is a london linux user group: http://www.lonix.org.uk

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DustyBin:

im seriously thinking about going to one, they seem like good fun

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DustyBin:

you can see justinh in the forground with some paper on his head?

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BULLE:

DustyBin: he looks pretty darn scary

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BULLE:

not the chap i want to mee alone on a dark street in the middle of the night

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fxr_:

see this here: <image mode="MUSIC">title/title_music.png</image>

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fxr_:

does title_music.png contain the text at the top of the page , cos when i open it, it only shows a compleyly blank image

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rooaus:

fxr_: White text with transparent background rendered maybe?

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fxr_:

mmm.. i dont really know what you mean by that tbh, i am trying to create a custom page title.. im just trying to find one i can edit and get an idea of font etc..

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stiev3:

where does mythfrontend store its mysql server connection info? I've done a dpkg-reconfigure myth-common, and made sure that /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt has the right ip for my backend, but mythfrontend consistently tries to connect to an old ip.

[15:17:41]

rooaus:

fxr_: I mean if the image is white text saying "Myth Music" with a transparent background and it is being view in a window with a white background it will look like an empty image.

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fxr_:

ahh yeah.. isee what your getting at now... but i rotated through the various options of showing transparency in gimp and i just cant make out any text.. anyway, i think m just gona experiement by buthcering one of those images and see if they are definately responsible for that title .. thanks : )

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rooaus:

np, I ad the same issue once and that was what it was, but I was just previewing the images in Firefox :)

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sebrock:

the channel icons, are they located on backend or frontend?

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sebrock:

nevermind. I guess they should be on both frontend and backend

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sebrock:

backend for mythweb and program guide, frontend apparently for OSD

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sebrock:

thought it all was backend

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justinh:

undefined reference to `early_populate_rootfs'.. bah!"

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justinh:

Dibblah: that kernel config you gave me is weird

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Dibblah:

...?

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Dibblah:

Oh. Ummm... It's stripped.

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Dibblah:

So, like I said, you need to make oldconfig on it first.

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justinh:

on it? I dunno what you mean. I might be aswell to just copy the default config & put the bits in to make nfsroot work

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justinh:

i.e. network & network fs stuff

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justinh:

so I copy your config file to .config then make oldconfig ?

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justinh:

see if I do that then it asks me a bunch of questions I have no inkling as to the meaning of

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fxr_:

can someone tell me what a 'toggle' refers to in this email thread --> http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php?topic=8000.0;wap2

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xand:

what are the settings for --override-setting KEY=VALUE Force the setting named 'KEY' to value 'VALUE'

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xand:

? i.e. a list of KEY and VALUEs

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xand:

nm

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fxr_:

;p

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Dibblah:

justinh: Easiest way is just to keep pressing enter. The kernel has sensible defaults for most options.

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Dibblah:

But yes, nfsroot is quite easy to get going, when you have done it a couple of times :)

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xand:

yay, three encoders now

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Dibblah:

ROOT_NFS

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Dibblah:

Depends on: NETWORK_FILESYSTEMS && NFS_FS=y && IP_PNP

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darkwizard:

is there a log tells me why login crashes?

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justinh:

Dibblah: I used to be well versed in buildy the kernel. sadly no more. how complacency sinks in

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Dibblah:

When in make menuconfig, press /

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Dibblah:

That allows you to seach for an option...

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Dibblah:

ROOT_NFS is what you want to set.

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justinh:

got a build running now. I'll copy the image it makes to the nfsroot & see how I go

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Dibblah:

It only appears when the prerequisites are there.

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Dibblah:

:)

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Dibblah:

Won't be long, I guess ;)

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justinh:

it's building a shedload of modules now

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Dibblah:

Umm... I can't remember.

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aschmack:

can mythtv use the ati cablecard tuners?

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Dibblah:

I think I may have left all of the monitoring (lm_sensors) stuff in.

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Dibblah:

aschmack: No.

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aschmack:

shame

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darkwizard:

hey all

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Dibblah:

AFAIK, no open source solution ever legally will.

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darkwizard:

shouldn't lirc work for all users?

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darkwizard:

this is what i got

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darkwizard:

my login 1 crashes

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darkwizard:

so i goto login2

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darkwizard:

now my remote won't work with mythtv

[16:24:40]

justinh:

bah invalid or corrupt kernel image :-\

[16:25:00]

Dibblah:

justinh: Funky. What file are you copying?

[16:25:09]

justinh:

vmlinuz

[16:25:13]

Dibblah:

Ah :(

[16:25:32]

quicksilver:

I could build linux kernels reliably and quickly (in terms on my time) back in 1996.

[16:25:41]

quicksilver:

Since them, my knowledge seems to have bitrotted.

[16:25:45]

justinh:

oh shit. now the install on the hdd is broken

[16:25:50]

justinh:

quicksilver: same here

[16:25:52]

Dibblah:

/usr/src/linux/arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage

[16:26:02]

justinh:

ah fack

[16:26:16]

Dibblah:

Easy mistaka to maka.

[16:26:35]

Dibblah:

Boot CD time? ;)

[16:27:02]

Dibblah:

Or if you're using grub, you can change the kernel path...

[16:27:22]

rushfan:

well, you gotta copy the bzImage to /boot first

[16:27:29]

Dibblah:

Nah.

[16:27:36]

justinh:

Dibblah: I was experimenting with initramfs-tools earlier

[16:27:40]

Dibblah:

Not with Grub.

[16:27:56]

rushfan:

Dibblah: I would highly recommend it...

[16:27:57]

Dibblah:

Hate initfs / whatever it's called now.

[16:28:38]

rushfan:

Unless you want to be surprised with a broken kernel because you don't have your backup around

[16:28:51]

rushfan:

and its not really secure to go to /usr/src/linux. I keep my /boot unmounted for a reason

[16:29:33]

DustyBin:

a few days ago i installed hotplug on debian by a mistake and it messed my whole server up, i think it had something to do with initramfs

[16:30:10]

justinh:

hrm.

[16:30:29]

Dibblah:

"secure"?

[16:30:35]

Dibblah:

Really, who cares?

[16:30:36]

justinh:

ah to heck I can just install an original initrd from the cd I'll bet

[16:31:13]

DustyBin:

justinh: are there any Linux User Groups where you live

[16:31:22]

justinh:

DustyBin: who cares?

[16:31:33]

DustyBin:

me! ive joint up to a London one

[16:31:36]

justinh:

I've met enough 'linux users' to know I'm not one of _them_

[16:31:48]

rushfan:

justinh: word

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DustyBin:

Ive never met a linux user in real life

[16:32:03]

rushfan:

I dont talk about or mention linux/computers outside of my bedroom door

[16:32:22]

Dibblah:

Yeah. People might think you to be a pervert.

[16:32:27]

DustyBin:

lol

[16:32:30]

justinh:

I haven't got BO, I don't drink bitter, I don't wear sandals (with socks) in all seasons and I don't have a beard. I also detest heavy metal

[16:32:42]

DustyBin:

lol

[16:32:54]

DustyBin:

justinh: some folk in this room might be just like that

[16:32:56]

quicksilver:

and most of all, I don't steretype other people!

[16:33:04]

quicksilver:

or spel.

[16:33:36]

** rushfan loves Heavy Metal **

[16:33:44]

Dibblah:

And I never generalise.

[16:33:53]

rushfan:

But that happened way before I started using linu

[16:34:07]

justinh:

DustyBin: I don't mind if anybody in here has BO or likes heavy metal. I'm not standing right next to them at an expo

[16:34:14]

DustyBin:

lol

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justinh:

I sometimes wonder, while trying to keep my cool head at linux functions, what a windows expo would be like – if it'd be as infuriating

[16:35:32]

Dibblah:

No. It's all salespeople.

[16:35:33]

rushfan:

justinh: you've been to linux functions?

[16:35:44]

justinh:

aye. 3. that's 2 too many

[16:35:57]

rushfan:

I only know a few kids at school that "use" linux. And by use I mean they have an ubuntu livecd

[16:36:25]

rushfan:

Sad thing is they brag about it, and Im just like, umm... computers don't make good pickup lines.

[16:36:39]

justinh:

the linuxworld expo was a good experience – met more 'real' people there, aside from the corporate types who saw mythtv as a great/easy/quick way to make a fast buck

[16:36:42]

DustyBin:

i dont know anyone at all who uses linux apart from my sister what i built a desktop for

[16:36:59]

rushfan:

Im going to be the corporate type some day

[16:37:16]

rushfan:

justinh: oh you forgot about the acne all over their bum too

[16:37:18]

Dibblah:

Sheesh. Aim high, why not...

[16:37:24]

DustyBin:

Myth Enterprise Television

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williammanda__:

jkklj;l

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justinh:

rushfan: and how in hell would I have known that, pray tell?

[16:38:16]

rushfan:

Because their pants always hang too low

[16:38:24]

rushfan:

I learned that lesson from one too many heavy metal concerts

[16:38:30]

DustyBin:

lol

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justinh:

I mostly just stood there pondering the humanity of it all :P

[16:38:34]

rushfan:

I've never sat in the chairs at the Blossom again

[16:38:44]

rushfan:

justinh: did anyone there have social skills?

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DustyBin:

lol no

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justinh:

rushfan: yeah. the career linux people

[16:39:01]

rushfan:

oh

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rushfan:

were they all potheads?

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justinh:

not as far as I could tell

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rushfan:

Red eyes? Lots of taco bell?

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rushfan:

People mysteriously standing in back allies in a circle?

[16:39:46]

rushfan:

Or smoke coming out of their cars when they opened the door?

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justinh:

from the off though I could tell why linux users are thought of as hippyish though

[16:39:52]

rushfan:

I would expect lots of thse

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rushfan:

Look at Stallman

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justinh:

so you're saying linux would be loads better if people started smoking crack instead? :P

[16:40:41]

rushfan:

No

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DustyBin:

http://www.webweavertech.com/ovidiu/weblog/ga . . . Images/1.jpg

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rushfan:

I used to be the linux pothead type

[16:41:08]

rushfan:

Well no. Just a linux user that was a massive pothead

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justinh:

DustyBin: he was at the last (ever) LRL I went to

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rushfan:

Who was? Stallman?

[16:41:32]

justinh:

aye

[16:41:47]

rushfan:

How bad did he smell?

[16:41:53]

rushfan:

Was there a giant cloud of flies around him?

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justinh:

people were virtually worshipping the very ground he'd stood on

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DustyBin:

somone whos spent far too long in front of computers by looks of things

[16:42:04]

** rushfan images him smelling of unwiped ass **

[16:42:05]

rushfan:

gross

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DustyBin:

lol

[16:42:17]

DustyBin:

LOL sick

[16:42:17]

rushfan:

I wonder if that dude has ever been laid

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justinh:

like that's the single most important thing to everybody

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DustyBin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman

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justinh:

not all open source chicks are classically attractive but then few are troll ugly either IME

[16:43:33]

justinh:

and FWIW, in some cases (like his) I think you can forgive a guy a bit of BO

[16:44:09]

justinh:

on balance though I think I prefer the stinky hippies to the evangelistic career linux zealots

[16:45:24]

rushfan:

Meh. I'm the type that likes wearing a suit over a beard and driving a benz over a yugo

[16:45:40]

rushfan:

Basically, Im the future linux career zealot type. :P Assuming I wind up at a linux using company

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DustyBin:

rushfan: ---> #windows

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rushfan:

Otherwise I'll profiteer off of stupid windows users

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darkwizard:

anyone know why i get this xfce4-session: Unable to access file /home/htpc/.ICEauthority: Permission denied

[16:46:50]

DustyBin:

darkwizard: what are the permissions on that file

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DustyBin:

ls /home/htpc/.ICEauthority -al

[16:47:02]

darkwizard:

755

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justinh:

gah. no discernable initramfs files on the cd :(

[16:47:34]

Dibblah:

Ummm.

[16:47:38]

DustyBin:

darkwizard: try 777 and see what happens

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Dibblah:

I thought you were netbooting?

[16:47:52]

Dibblah:

Why not copy the file on the server?

[16:47:57]

DustyBin:

darkwizard: and make sure htpc has the correct permissions too

[16:48:14]

darkwizard:

that worked chmod 777

[16:48:16]

Dibblah:

justinh: , I mean.

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darkwizard:

thanks

[16:50:35]

DustyBin:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . sign_ATI.jpg

[16:50:38]

DustyBin:

lol

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rushfan:

Grr. Isnt there some decent gui encoding front end for x264/mkv

[16:51:50]

levander:

I wonder what the ATI execs thought of that sign. They probably laughed just like I did.

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justinh:

Dibblah: I am but I can hardly fix the kernel until it's booted

[16:52:22]

justinh:

I guess I could build the kernel on my backend but god that'll be slow

[16:52:32]

Dibblah:

You already have it built.

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justinh:

oh yeah. muhhhhhhhhhhh

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Dibblah:

Yay! 0.21 before March!!! ;)

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justinh:

here's hoping I can still mount /dev/sda1

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justinh:

oh what?! mounted /dev/sda1 okay. but where in hell is /usr/src/linux-2.6.22–14 now?

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justinh:

I think it's quite a good job I backed up the hdd to the nfsroot dir :)

[17:09:37]

justinh:

ffs. copied the contents of the nfsroot boot dir to /boot on sda1 and er.. still panicking

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Hoxzer:

I suppose there is no way to see on commandline what state is mythfrontend on? (for example checking EPG or checking recordings) ....I've noticed that Mythfrontend ignores lirc commands on EPG if the window isn't selected

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Hoxzer:

I have another window activated nonstop on my setup so that causes confusions with mythfrontend

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anykey_:

Hoxzer: afaik you can find out the position over the telnet interface

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sebrock:

the folder that show in MythVideo Gallery, where are they located?

[17:35:04]

sebrock:

the pictures of the folder that is :P

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ciphernemo:

There's a statement in the MythTV wiki: "Update 23rd Jan 2007: By way of the module ati_remote2 the ATI Remote Wonder is now natively supported under newer linux kernels (I'm using 2.6.17). So by using modprobe ati_remote2 and then using the command xev and xmodmap LIRC is no longer needed in order to use the RWII." What does that mean I have to do to get my remote to work without LIRC?

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sebrock:

nevermind, found it:D

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quicksilver:

ciphernemo: that means it shows up as an input device instead of a lirc device

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quicksilver:

ciphernemo: i.e. an extra keybaord, if you like

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quicksilver:

ciphernemo: you can use xmodmap to bind the things the remote sends to keys

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ciphernemo:

quicksilver, awesome, thanks. Is xmodmap a configuration file or an app?

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quicksilver:

it's an app which generates a config file

[17:53:05]

quicksilver:

so, both.

[17:53:43]

quicksilver:

ciphernemo: random google search, http://remotew.free.fr/linux_en.htm

[17:54:03]

quicksilver:

ciphernemo: more at http://www.debianclan.org/index.php?option=co . . . &lang=en

[17:54:08]

quicksilver:

(the second looks a bit clearer to me)

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ciphernemo:

thanks for the info! Have a great one.

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rushfan_:

god damn

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rushfan_:

my dog is choking

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rushfan_:

wtf am I supposed to do about this. lifeguarding class didnt cover dogs

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Hoxzer:

Well, Take it to hospital ?

[18:23:07]

Hoxzer:

Most propably it will die on the way in there

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rushfan_:

yeah

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Hoxzer:

BUt then you can say you tried

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rushfan_:

Well i ts still breathing

[18:23:26]

rushfan_:

otherwise I wouldnt be on here

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rushfan_:

but its hacking a decent amount

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rushfan_:

heimlich time

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rushfan_:

and water

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Hoxzer:

k, :\

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rushfan_:

no wait, no heimlich till he stops breathing

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Hoxzer:

Once I saw dog doing something similar to that when it had chicken bones in it

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rushfan_:

problem resolved

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mokkan:

hey, i need some help with mythgame

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rushfan_:

omg

[19:09:02]

rushfan_:

Im in disbelief. I've spent countless hours, if not weeks, trying to get my wireless card to work

[19:09:11]

rushfan_:

and when I booted up mythbuntu. It worked. Flawlessly.

[19:09:17]

rushfan_:

I just typed in the WPA and it worked. holy shit

[19:09:25]

rushfan_:

no finding ridiculous drivers or anything. it just fing worked

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directhex:

what were you using before?

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rushfan_:

Gentoo

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rushfan_:

which I love but the damn wireless card was giving me crap. and the laptop was way too slow to be compiling on anyhow

[19:10:36]

directhex:

you're surprised that gentoo leads to a world of hurt rather than just working out of the box?

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directhex:

breaking news: bears crap in woods

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kdubya:

mokkan, you are better off just asking about the specific problem rather than stating you need help

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rushfan_:

directhex: no no no

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rushfan_:

Ive been using gentoo for like 2 years

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rushfan_:

I knew it didnt work out of the box. I just couldnt get the wireless card working despite my best efforts

[19:12:35]

rushfan_:

Its great on my desktop though. Granted that uses ethernet

[19:12:39]

rushfan_:

my main myth server is gentoo

[19:14:20]

rushfan_:

anyone here use openmosix on ubuntu machines?

[19:14:43]

directhex:

toy cluster stuff? what's the point?

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rushfan_:

So I can encode video a-lot faster

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rushfan_:

I have 3 single core CPUs. All take forever with x264 two pass video. Get them all working together = fater

[19:15:44]

rushfan_:

faster*

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kdubya:

why are you in a hurry to transcode

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kdubya:

who cares how long it takes

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rushfan_:

So I dont waste my cpu all day?

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

its taking the same CPU time regaurdless

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bsdfox_:

rushfan_: what wifi card

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rushfan_:

bsdfox_: some 2wire card

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bsdfox_:

I've used gentoo for years

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bsdfox_:

wow, no wonder you can't get it working

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rushfan_:

I was never even sure what the chipset was.

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rushfan_:

Yeah. SBC gave it to me w/ my router

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bsdfox_:

lol, nm

[19:17:15]

rushfan_:

I thought it just wouldnt work

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rushfan_:

I'll just figure out what moduel mythbuntu is using for it

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kdubya:

did you rent a router from SBC?

[19:17:25]

rushfan_:

unless it using ndiswrapper. eww

[19:17:28]

rushfan_:

kdubya: no bought it

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kdubya:

you BOUGHT a router from SBC?

[19:18:02]

rushfan_:

Well, yes. They didnt make it. But they sold it to me

[19:18:15]

rushfan_:

IT wound up in the trash after three months anyhow

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kdubya:

dont they normally charge like 5 times what it is worth...

[19:19:45]

rushfan_:

No.

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rushfan_:

This thing cost me like $30

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rushfan_:

which is why I took it

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kdubya:

i see

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mokkan:

so, my question about mythgame is.. why does it show two different players to choose from when i play a game when i only have one player/

[19:24:33]

mokkan:

like, for a super nintendo game, it gives me SNES and ZSNES, and SNES kills X

[19:24:41]

mokkan:

and yes, i checked the database, and there's only one player

[19:24:57]

mokkan:

ZSNES works though

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mokkan:

just not SNES

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bsdfox_:

?

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bsdfox_:

two players or two emulators?

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iamlindoro:

If mythgame gives you the option for two, there *are* two emulators set up in the database, whether you know it or not.

[19:28:30]

mokkan:

so how can there be two players in the database if... theres not two players in the database?

[19:28:40]

mokkan:

SELECT * FROM gameplayers; gives me 1 result

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iamlindoro:

because you probably havea busted database entry for the one that doesn't work

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mokkan:

so mysql just somehow gets broken entries randomly

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iamlindoro:

well, databases can become corrupted, yes.

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kdubya:

Yes.

[19:30:22]

iamlindoro:

But that's due to negligence on the part of the user or power issues, not mysql's fault

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mokkan:

i have had some electrical failure

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quicksilver:

I wonder why I have some recordings which have a few minutes of complete blank before they start

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quicksilver:

hmmm

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quicksilver:

maybe it's BBC Three

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quicksilver:

and I start before the channel turns on

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ARfdee:

anyone use myth over a wireless network?

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bsdfox_:

ARfdee: I've tried

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bsdfox_:

802.11g is a little slow for it

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quicksilver:

802.11g is reported fine for SD for some people

[20:01:22]

quicksilver:

but you'll be quite sensitive to signal strength and interference

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quicksilver:

if you're in an area with 15 interfering wifi networks you can give up :)

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ARfdee:

quicksilver: i had used it in the past and it worked fine with g, but it's horribly choppy now and i am not sure if it's my settings

[20:05:42]

** quicksilver nods **

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ARfdee:

quicksilver: i get 70% strength

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quicksilver:

I expect you've got a teenage girl moved in next door who is leeching your wireless for skype + AIM chats

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quicksilver:

that's the most common cause of surprisingly poor wireless IME :)

[20:06:36]

ARfdee:

no, it's WPA Protected

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quicksilver:

download a tool which shows all wireless signals around

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ARfdee:

quicksilver: let me do a verbose scp and see how fast it is

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quicksilver:

see if you're sharing a channel with a neighbour

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quicksilver:

or, just try changing channel randomly and see if it helps :)

[20:07:44]

quicksilver:

most out-of-the-box wireless boxes use the same channel.

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quicksilver:

the other thing to check is if you own some other 802.11b device, which will cause the whole network to degrade when it is talking.

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rushfan_:

im trying to teach my dog to install mythbuntu. ITs not going too well. Hes afraid of the monitor

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quicksilver:

rushfan_: paint it with beef gravy

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rushfan_:

my thumb is tingling :|

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directhex:

rushfan_, your dog is more of a serial console installation man?

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ARfdee:

quicksilver: it's a dell truemobile 2300

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ARfdee:

there are only two wireless networks in the area

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rushfan_:

directhex: ye

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rushfan_:

like his owner

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ARfdee:

quicksilver: wireless internet on the device is 800kb/s

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ARfdee:

bytes

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quicksilver:

ARfdee: that is 8Mb, which is more-or-less 802.11b

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quicksilver:

ARfdee: I'm not convinced you are really in 'G' mode :)

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rushfan_:

he doesnt like alice in chains either

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quicksilver:

'G' mode should be 5 times that, give or take

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quicksilver:

certianly I get 800K/sec

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quicksilver:

and I *know* my network is only 802.11b

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ARfdee:

quicksilver: i said internet

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quicksilver:

hmm

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quicksilver:

can you do a local test then?

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ARfdee:

yes, about to

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ARfdee:

but i was saying i do not think my bandwidth is being sucked up

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black_Nightmare_:

anyone here ever seen a pci card that only provides feature of video-out and audio-out with headers also to fit both ati and nvidia cards ribbon connectors?

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ARfdee:

quicksilver: sometimes it resorts back to 1mb/s

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ARfdee:

the wireless connection

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black_Nightmare_:

I didn't noticed any name off the card but it had sigma chipset (similar looking size to the ones on these sigma realmagic/x decoder cards)

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directhex:

black_Nightmare_, no

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ARfdee:

right now it is

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ARfdee:

1205_20071002170000.mpg 1% 20MB 665.5KB/s 37:45 ETA

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black_Nightmare_:

directhex...hmm....

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ARfdee:

highest is 800mb/s

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black_Nightmare_:

this has me curious now..kinda wishing I had thought to try buy the card from the recycler :/

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directhex:

don't think i've seen a graphics card witha ribbon connector on it for about a decade

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ARfdee:

quicksilver: i don't understand, isn't truemobile 2300 a g router?

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black_Nightmare_:

umm directhex...almost all rage's and many nvidia up to lasting in a few geforce4's had these headers ^_^

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quicksilver:

ARfdee: according to the docs on dell's website, it is G

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ARfdee:

what channel should i put it on? it's on 7 now

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quicksilver:

ARfdee: but, maybe either it, or one of your computers, is running in B mode

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quicksilver:

there could be some config settings you have wrong.

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bsdfox_:

ARfdee: 54mbit is ~7mbyte.. I capture live SD at 6mbyte/s

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ARfdee:

bsdfox_: i know, i don't know what the deal is here

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directhex:

black_Nightmare_, ati rage would be a decade old

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bsdfox_:

ARfdee: when did it start happening?

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bsdfox_:

I'd say 2 weeks for me

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ARfdee:

it may be the b43 module

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ARfdee:

quicksilver: what channel should i use?

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black_Nightmare_:

well there were also like a pile of untested server cards too.. (yeah these long one with the handle loop on front) ..

[20:27:27]

bsdfox_:

I had to run a wire under the house cause the wireless couldn't handle it anymore.. must have been part of an update

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black_Nightmare_:

two duplicated ones kinda were curious..they had both isa connector on one side and what I think seem to be pci-66 or some long thick bus on other side and the pci plate was interchangeable to mount in both direction

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ARfdee:

quicksilver: ?

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ARfdee:

im going to change it to g mode only

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black_Nightmare_:

it had three keys I'm sure of it

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quicksilver:

ARfdee: channel doesn't matter as long as you're > 2 chans away from other people

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quicksilver:

ARfdee: try to check the config on all your computers and the router and force them into G mode

[20:30:41]

ARfdee:

quicksilver: should i set router on G mode and transfer rate 54mb/s instead of auto?

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black_Nightmare_:

I can't imagine a card would actually be functionable with both isa and pci-66 but hm what do I really know about these kind of cards

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ARfdee:

this is idiotic

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ARfdee:

it's still on 1mb/s

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black_Nightmare_:

but anyhow...I'm sure some mythtv user might had liked this one but they had a tyan board that took two athlonMP's up to 2200+ with four angled ecc dimm slots :p .. only $45cad with a big 2U (looked like it to me) psu included

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** black_Nightmare_ hehs **

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ARfdee:

ok, the other access point in the region is channel 6, so i put mine on channel 2

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black_Nightmare_:

but me...didn't have any use as I'll only like capture one channel at a time in SD ^_^

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black_Nightmare_:

anyone ever seen or built a box to overlay two video sources together?

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kdubya:

frontend

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kdubya:

is ALIVE

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black_Nightmare_:

?

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kdubya:

my frontend was segfaulting and i fixed it

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kdubya:

accidently

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kdubya:

somehow

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jams:

yeah my test network boot is working! now to move on to a real test besides the debian boot images.

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black_Nightmare_:

hm guess not

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black_Nightmare_:

:/

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justinh:

well, looks like I need to reinstall. this hdd is borked. no /usr/src/linux* and certainly no bzImage file to be found anywhere

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Beirdo:

one-way encrypt it against the pavement outside

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justinh:

I was working in /usr/src though so it _should_ be there

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xand:

don't know if that would work unless it's a laptop harddisk

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Beirdo:

oh, we one-way encrypted desktop drives at work

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Beirdo:

it usually took 2–3 good hard tosses against concrete for them to compy

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Beirdo:

comply rather

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justinh:

well I could always just built the netboot kernel on the backend box. it'll be slow but should work

[21:34:07]

Beirdo:

if the disk-erase algorithms could write to them, we just wiped them, but if there were any errors... smashy smashy :)

[21:34:38]

justinh:

I favour disemboweling HDDs if they're no use anymore. lovely magnets :)

[21:34:50]

Beirdo:

yeah :)

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xand:

I drill holes through them

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Beirdo:

smashing is fun though at times

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Beirdo:

you can usually still get the magnets

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Beirdo:

and disk platters make neat clock faces if you're crafty

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** xand can't be bothered anymore **

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xand:

i have loads already c.c

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

quit buyin WD drives

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justinh:

hmm I should just be able to use a tarball from kernel.org for this shouldn't I? I mean the backend is still on Feisty so there'll be no 2.6.22 available fer it

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xand:

for what?

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justinh:

to replace a kernel on an existing box

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xand:

I usually upgrade kernels with apt-get

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justinh:

yeah well this bugger isn't booting cos I messed up its initrd by mistake

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Beirdo:

if you just need a kernel to bootstrap it, a generic kernel should do as long as it has the drivers for all yer necessary devices

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xand:

copy the files from another machine

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justinh:

what other machine?

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Beirdo:

oh...

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xand:

the one you're using now ;)

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xand:

download the .deb and extract them

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Beirdo:

heh, yeah a kernel.org kernel might be a good thing to try if you are that stuck

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justinh:

it's not running even remotely the same version

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justinh:

and finding out paths to individual debs is a pain

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Beirdo:

and once you have it limping along, an apt-get should get you the ubuntu ones :)

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justinh:

I could try booting a livecd & copying its /boot to the hdd

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Beirdo:

or for that matter, an ubuntu install CD likely has a useful kernel

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Beirdo:

yeah, something like that might do it

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xand:

/boot hardly has anything in

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Beirdo:

it has plenty... kernel and initrd

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Beirdo:

if that's what he's missing, it should theoretically be enough

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xand:

not in terms of file count

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justinh:

here goes nothing

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Beirdo:

if the other option is a complete reinstall, it can't hurt much to try :)

[21:43:21]

justinh:

ffs the kernel still panics.

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Beirdo:

why?

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justinh:

I copied the contents of /boot to /boot on the hdd

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Beirdo:

can't find /?

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justinh:

files are the same version, even the same filenames

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justinh:

starting up... loading, please wait... then panic

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Beirdo:

hmm

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justinh:

maybe the hdd is shat

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xand:

does ubuntu have a splash screen on boot?

[21:45:09]

justinh:

it's not getting that far

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Beirdo:

it's sounding kinda like drive failure, yeah

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Beirdo:

it's crapping out quite early on

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justinh:

last stuff I was working on was building a kernel in /usr/src/linux-2.6.22–14

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justinh:

and that dir isn't there on the HDD

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Beirdo:

if nothing else, the filesystem might be trashed somehow

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justinh:

I have a copy of the contents of / already on my nfsroot server :)

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justinh:

did that while preparing the netbooty stuff

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Beirdo:

but not sure what would cause that kind of behavior other than bad data on the disk

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justinh:

Beirdo: me neither

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Beirdo:

or alternatively, being unable to read the data

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Beirdo:

both of which do kinda point a drive dying

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justinh:

I'll just have to download some source & build a kernel myself here

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Beirdo:

k

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justinh:

the box isn't gonna have a hdd eventually anyway, hence it getting mashed up by accident anyway

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kdubya:

my rent cleared by $2.46

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Beirdo:

well, I guess it's time for ya to run it dickless

[21:47:55]

kdubya:

i should probably pay more attention

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Beirdo:

I remember years ago I had my rent cheque bounce... by $0.50

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Beirdo:

I was SOOO pissed at the bank, it was a service charge delayed by several weeks that pushed it over by $5 or so

[21:49:19]

kdubya:

then they go ahead and charge you like $50 for overdrafting

[21:49:22]

Beirdo:

anyways... that's what we get for living near the line

[21:49:24]

Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

and the building management charged like $75 for NSF payment...

[21:49:49]

Beirdo:

it just adds up so fast

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xand:

... then half the people in the country take the banks to court

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xand:

at least, that's what happened here

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kdubya:

where?

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xand:

UK

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xand:

banks had to repay shitloads in charges

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kdubya:

yeah i work with a guy from london, he said if you overdraft it sort of just works like credit, instead of you getting fined

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kdubya:

that right?

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xand:

the most amusing part was some refused so the customers got the bailifs into the banks to take it by force :)

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kdubya:

that would be awesome

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justinh:

ahh I can just grab http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/ . . . .orig.tar.gz

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justinh:

it's only for the bootstrap after all

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xand:

The practice of imposing these charges has become controversial in the UK, with customers and consumer watchdog groups claiming that the charges are much higher than allowed by law. [1] In one case alone, a businessman successfully reclaimed about Â£35,000 from his bank. After considerable press coverage of the issue and the efforts undertaken by some people to recover overcharges, thousands of people are claiming the charges back plus a statutory 8% in

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xand:

... and businesses alike are suing banks and credit card companies in the small claims courts in Scotland, Ireland, England and Wales.

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justinh:

course I'll need the build-dep crap too

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black_Nightmare_:

hhad to ask out of curiousity if anyone might know...

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black_Nightmare_:

were there ever any pci sound cards for macs? (new&old)

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xand:

define "Macs"

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xand:

and why ask herE?

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justinh:

oh hell. can't install any packages because php4-mysql is borked somehow. funny but I don't remember ever needing that

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black_Nightmare_:

xand...isn't that the point..to have sound with your recording playbacks? :p

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xand:

black_Nightmare_: what OS on the mac? if it's linux or windows then any pci sound card should work

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black_Nightmare_:

not sure between bsd or just the plain mac os yet

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justinh:

mythtv on bsd? hahaha good luck

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xand:

my mythtv box doesn't use sound

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xand:

I only use it as a backend to record

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xand:

can't stand watching stuff with mythfrontend :|

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justinh:

yeah it's like so ugly compared to a file browser window :-\

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black_Nightmare_:

hm thought so..guess I'll just have to poke with btv and apple video player instead

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xand:

rxvt + mplayer :P

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xand:

but I don't have a pc connected to a tv

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xand:

otherwise I'd use it

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** black_Nightmare_ goes off to look for the btv card **

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jams:

so justinh when settings up the FIRST diskless backend do you see any problems with asking the person to insert the installation cd?

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xand:

i only have a crappy old crt tv and no pc i can get working with composite video output c.c

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justinh:

jams: not really

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justinh:

oh WTF is wrong with this heap of crap?!

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xand:

installation cd?

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jams:

justinh- good that solves one problem

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justinh:

seems the php4-sqlite package wants apache installed. I don't have apache installed. so its dpkg script won't work – so I can neither install it or remove it. top score!

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LotharTBL:

looking for some advice on how to get mythtv-setup to run. I have tried to run it from both an ssh -XY session on a machine running X and on the actual machine from a terminal window. Same results both times.

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jams:

after the first one is setup, then the rest can copy from it.

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xand:

I guess I could run my backdesk diskless, but no point really

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xand:

LotharTBL: and that result is?

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xand:

erm, backend.

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LotharTBL:

yes back end, pasting to paste bin give me a sec

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jams:

xand- yes the installation cd, it's for a little project i'm working on. Nothing more then mental exercise

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LotharTBL:

http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47466/

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LotharTBL:

there is what I get

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LotharTBL:

had some other problems but got them fixed

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LotharTBL:

any hints of where to look?

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xand:

that doesn't look very good

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LotharTBL:

I'm not real sure what the illegal instruction is

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LotharTBL:

lol

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LotharTBL:

is there a config file somewhere it is following that I can diag and see whish instruction #9 is illegal?

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xand:

what CPU do you have?

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xand:

and did you compile mythtv or install from a package?

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directhex:

something neolithic?

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LotharTBL:

svn running 4 PIII Xenons @ 700

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kdubya:

the hell

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LotharTBL:

kind of overboard for a machine, but hey for $100.00 it was a steal

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kdubya:

xenons?

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xand:

what OS/distro? I'd install from a package...

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LotharTBL:

yes

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xand:

I guess you mean xeons

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LotharTBL:

6.06lts

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xand:

xenon is a gas

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jams:

LotharTBL- old linode host?

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kdubya:

isnt xenon what is in the xbox 360?

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BULLE:

kdubya: ye, i think the codename is xenon

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LotharTBL:

friend had 2 of them he wanted to get rid of. for the price I couldn't resist. sound like a truck running however. Prolients

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LotharTBL:

distro is ubuntu 6.60lts

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LotharTBL:

xand yes I do mean xeons

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xand:

I'd install mythtv using aptitude

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xand:

maybe upgrade to ubuntu 7.10

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LotharTBL:

so no idea where to look to try and rectify the error?

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xand:

Illegal Instruction

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xand:

This error used to occur when users compiled MythTV with incorrect CPU options. This should no longer occur with the new configure script.

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LotharTBL:

7.10 is a short term. I perfer to use the long term supported distros

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xand:

use debian then :p

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LotharTBL:

hmm

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LotharTBL:

lol

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directhex:

sadly, xand is right. i had to abort a major ubuntu deployment as their LTS distro wasn't up to scratch

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directhex:

and their policy is "unlike every other server-class enterprise LTS distro, we're not gonna fix major issues"

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justinh:

I could literally KILL whoever made this bloody php4-sqlite package check for apache, not apache2

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justinh:

wucking fankers

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directhex:

php4-sqlilte?

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justinh:

it's stuck in limbo

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directhex:

hasn't been in ubuntu since 6.10

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directhex:

and in debian, it depends on any php4 provider, apache 1 or 2

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justinh:

yeah and?

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justinh:

its dpkg stuff is trying to restart apache, not apache2

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justinh:

so it's failing

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directhex:

where (and why) did you track down this package from?

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justinh:

I've no idea

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justinh:

but it's stuck on my backend somehow

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Kazan:

XvMC doesn't like corrupt MPEG streams does it

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Kazan:

say... from a QAM256 that had a bit of meteorologically-induced signal glitching

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FinnTux:

php4-sqlite <- I've never needed that for mythtv in debian

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LotharTBL:

and here I thought ubuntu was a debian type distro? I considered ubuntu knoppix and CENTos. I was talked into ubuntu by a friend. Bad junu?

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FinnTux:

I'm slowly starting to accept ubuntu for workstations

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LotharTBL:

so your best guess is that I compiled it for the wrong processor and that is the illegal instruction?

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Kazan:

rm -rf unbuntu

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FinnTux:

debian for server forever

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FinnTux:

servers*

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xand:

ubuntu is based on debian

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Kazan:

tried using it for a mythtv install.... until it failed to properly install g++ and it's idea of "current PAM" was .77 when .99 was current and a min version of .79 was needed

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xand:

LotharTBL: install it using aptitude

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LotharTBL:

So I thought as is knoppix. I decided not to go knoppix as I hear its dead

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xand:

knoppix is a livecd c.c

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xand:

I wouldn't use it for more than that

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LotharTBL:

there is a mythknoppix

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xand:

if you're only using the box for mythtv, I'd recommend these: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy

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LotharTBL:

I have to say it looks slick!

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Kyler:

Is there any way to avoid recording a bunch of shows without descriptions (or with the same generic description) without resorting to a custom rule?

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Kazan:

no

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Kazan:

trying to avoid daily shows and colbert rapports without descriptions?

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at0m|c:

trying to skip recording this actua show at a given time of the day. it doesnt come with description, and all nite it goes in repeat, 5–6hr loop

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Kyler:

No, I've gotten about 50 episodes of Keynote (on FSTV) and I'm trying to avoid all the un-described ones.

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at0m|c:

during they day there's one repetition, just one episode, but the night loop is announced as a single episode

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Kyler:

But yes, I have a similar problem with Daily Show and Colbert.

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Kyler:

Those have descriptions but they're generic – always the same when a real description isn't available.

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Kyler:

I wish the "match on description" option worked as I expect.

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iamlindoro:

Kyler, if your listen shows an original airdate, you can set the recording to filter type "New episodes only" or "exclude repeat episodes"

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iamlindoro:

It works extremely well for me, plus, the non-recorded repeats don't clutter up upcoming recordings.

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Kyler:

iamlindoro: I've done that. I don't think it's usually available for these shows.

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Kyler:

I'll make sure I have it though. Thanks!

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iamlindoro:

Ah, too bad...

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iamlindoro:

Some show's definitely don't have it, so you're probably right

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Kyler:

I know one doesn't because I just checked it. But shows like Colbert should.

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, Colbert and DS do

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Kyler:

I see the original airdate for Daily Show. Now...is the "new episodes only" option only for custom recordings or is it available in the regular ones?

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Dr_willis:

the daily show has reruns? :) That seems like false advertisement!

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Kyler:

The Daily Show is all reruns since the writers strike.

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Kyler:

BTW, I just noticed that some DS descriptions are blank and others are "A humorous slant on top news stories."

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Dr_willis:

Shows how little i watch tv... what strike.. :)

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Kyler:

It appears that the "new episodes only" option is only in custom recordings. It'd be nice to have an option to make a custom rule from a normal one.

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anykey_:

Anyone seen 'Channels count not available' with alsa here?

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anykey_:

I'm using a soundcard supported by hda-intel

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iamlindoro:

Kyler, make a normal rule, then go to mythweb and edit the recording rule. Expand Advanced options and it's there.

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Kyler:

I don't use mythweb but I just caught that I can do something similar by hitting 'e' when looking at the schedule.

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iamlindoro:

Cool

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iamlindoro:

I only schedule with mythweb... can't stand to wait for the frontend... too clunky.

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