Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, December 6th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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sebrock_:

I have looked through man page, and tested some stuff, but it does not affect the menus?

[00:03:12]

mzb_d800:

--aspect-ratio ?

[00:03:42]

mzb_d800:

err ... forget it ... that's a gxine option ... need more caffeine ;)

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sebrock_:

:D

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RyeBrye:

I think it would be cool if we did something with the black bars when viewing SDTV on HDTV screens..

[00:05:32]

RyeBrye:

like... give the option to shift the image over to the far left or right and put interesting stuff in the unused area...

[00:05:52]

RyeBrye:

don't know what that stuff would be... weather? animated gifs of spiderman dancing? who nkows...

[00:05:59]

mchou:

RyeBrye: go knock yourself out

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mzb_d800:

my grabber hit meltdown a few days ago ... not sure why (might have been changed dependency on a newer version of xmltv)

[00:06:08]

mchou:

put sports scores there

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, I know... I need to stop having ideas when I am slammed with projects as it is

[00:06:28]

mzb_d800:

I've been trying to debug it ... and I've got it to the stage where it's running again, but now I get:

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EnderTheThird:

RyeBrye: for the A.D.D. SD viewer, ha

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mzb_d800:

Unknown xmltv channel identifier: abc.shepherd.au – Skipping channel.

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mzb_d800:

(for example)

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RyeBrye:

EnderTheThird: Exactly :)

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mzb_d800:

anybody got suggested debug method?

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RyeBrye:

It could even be cool stuff like waveforms or video-signal related stuff

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mchou:

RyeBrye: show commercials there and liscense it to tivo :)

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EnderTheThird:

Could be fun though. Or just an option to have the guide or other information show up there.

[00:07:29]

RyeBrye:

mchou – not a bad idea! although I'd rather take up the whole screen

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EnderTheThird:

mchou: you sicken me.... with your product placement genius!

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mchou:

RyeBrye: they will pay you beaucoup :)

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mzb_d800:

just trying $ mythfilldatabase --manual

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RyeBrye:

You could even draw a slimmed-down channel guide over there... or give it the OPTION to draw one there

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RyeBrye:

like... user watches SD program on an HD screen – user gets bored and wants to see if something better is there – user selects "guide" – guide slides out from left and fills the unused part of the screen, while the video image slides right and stays the same aspect ratio...

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mzb_d800:

err ... getting confused now ... :

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mzb_d800:

mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 3 of 5 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure.

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mzb_d800:

There's guide data until 2007-12–14 01:10 (8 days)

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RyeBrye:

of course, that would imply someone using MythTV to watch LiveTV – and who ever does that :)

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mzb_d800:

BUT

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mzb_d800:

I seem to have data for all channels

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RyeBrye:

The world is ending in 8 days

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RyeBrye:

That's the reason... did you get the memo?

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sebrock_:

hmm any idea how to fill a 16:9 screen with a 4:3 movie... cant get it to work with mplayer now...

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mzb_d800:

ah ... no must have missed that

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Toxicity999:

Man there are some really creative mockups for the Site Design

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Toxicity999:

I like the flashy yet still simple thing most of themgo for.

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jeffery:

mzb_d800, I don't have any problems with shepherd

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justinh:

of all of them I prefer gbee's efforts

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mzb_d800:

jeffery: I don't normally ... just trying to fix it now ... has been working well for ages

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mzb_d800:

jeffery: going to linux.conf.au ?

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jeffery:

mzb_d800, yep

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mzb_d800:

cool :)

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jeffery:

mzb_d800, last year there was a mythtv stand at the open day, do you know who organised it?

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mzb_d800:

no, this is my 1st time

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jeffery:

ok

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mzb_d800:

I'm using it as an excuse to get g/f out of Tas (1st time for her)

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justinh:

33333

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justinh:

?

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jeffery:

hehe

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mzb_d800:

I keep telling her that a light plane to Flinders' Island doesn't count ;)

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mzb_d800:

tallest building she's probably ever seen is Wrest Point Casino (17 stories) so will be a thrill for her to explore Melbourne by herself while I'm at the conference.

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jeffery:

Eureka tower is the tallest building now

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jeffery:

mzb_d800, http://www.skydeck.com.au/

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mzb_d800:

thanks, I'll forward that to her machine

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mzb_d800:

heh ... couldn't be easier for her to get to ... we're staying at Flinders' Backpackers

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mzb_d800:

(double ensuite for The Princess;)

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justinh:

well, I have to confess I've royally screwed up X

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justinh:

time to download a gutsy CD & have done widdit

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jeffery:

no worries

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mzb_d800:

heh, thanks again jeffery, http://www.skydeck.com.au/the-edge.asp will make her ill ;)))

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jeffery:

mzb_d800, I just saw that ... I have never been there either

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mzb_d800:

might have to get a few drinks into her first ;)) (to enhance the experience)

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jeffery:

lol

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mzb_d800:

perhaps a good meal first to make sure she's got something to bring up ;)

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... I think it might be the HD channels not getting data

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jeffery:

mzb_d800, I don't get any HD channel data except for channel 7

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jeffery:

I have left it at that.. didn't want to stuff up what I am getting

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mzb_d800:

hmm

[00:38:22]

mzb_d800:

not a real issue ... I can't watch it anyway ... just useful to know, and a possible backup input

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mzb_d800:

but I don't recall having grabber errors in the past

[00:39:32]

mzb_d800:

strangely enough, only SCTV HD (7HD) is the only HD one that seems to be working

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justinh:

mzb_d800: how's the random play stuff going anyhow?

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mzb_d800:

had a setback ... one of the drives starting playing up a few days ago ... so I've been jotting down thing until I get back to it

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justinh:

ah. this new frontend of mine has been no end of fun. patching/hacking the intel driver, I properly broke X.. all great

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mzb_d800:

figure I don't have enough time today ... got grandmother's 92nd birthday today, followed by a night of netball (I get to sit in a bar and drink beer;)

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mzb_d800:

justinh: however, it does work

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mzb_d800:

just not random enough for me

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mzb_d800:

so I'm planning on making it a true shuffle mode

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mzb_d800:

rather than just random

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justinh:

but, at least the quality of the tvout is now better than any TVout I've ever seen from a PC :)

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justinh:

heh I don't think the developers of the dvd format ever envisaged your use case ;)

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EnderTheThird:

i don't think the developers of the dvd format ever thought about anyone's use case

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EnderTheThird:

hate it when i disconnect on accident. oops

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mzb_d800:

justinh: they did .... there's a random function, and I believe boolean logic is possible with integers (yet to be confirmed) ... but I have a backup method if I can't do it the easy way

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mzb_d800:

I should be able to shuffle up to ~160 titles

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mzb_d800:

either way ~100 shouldn't be a problem

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justinh:

sounds cool :)

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EnderTheThird:

what are you doing the random/shuffle mode for? Do you watch that many movies? haha

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mzb_d800:

I did some random distribution testing on 24 titles ... just wasn't well distributed

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mzb_d800:

EnderTheThird: "Party DVD" of music videos

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directhex:

justinh, i'm phenomenally impressed with your driver hackery

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justinh:

directhex: er.. it's nowt. it really is

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justinh:

stuff disnae work, look in the source to find out what it's doing

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justinh:

fiddle, fiddle

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Tanthrix:

mzb_d800: Is random play that hard? Can't you just tap into some random number generator, then mod that number with the number of titles in the play list and play whatever the result is?

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justinh:

Tanthrix: part of the problem is that dvd microcode isn't all that smart. surprising what you _can_ do but it still aint all that smart

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mzb_d800:

it's simpler than that: random(numberOfTitles)

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mzb_d800:

but

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mzb_d800:

the random distribution sucks

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Tanthrix:

Microcode? What's that got to do with anything?

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justinh:

directhex: I'm impressed that you're impressed though ;)

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mzb_d800:

firmware in the player ... and the quality of their random number generator

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EnderTheThird:

Ahhh, got ya. Hell of a party. Suppose just putting them in a VLC playlist and hitting shuffle is too easy? ;-)

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Tanthrix:

mzb_d800: Are you not talking about myth?

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mzb_d800:

so the idea is to use a heap of gp registers to store bitwise toggle of the tracks played

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mzb_d800:

Tanthrix: mythburn.py

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justinh:

directhex: the community needs more fiddlers.. people prepared to get in the code & dig, snoop registers etc

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mzb_d800:

EnderTheThird: portable solution ... I already have a random solution for home

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directhex:

justinh, entirely out of my zone of competence

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justinh:

directhex: the code isn't complicated. basically a bunch of ifs & defines

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justinh:

then again I've been messing around with registers since 8-bit days. only came a cropper once when my homebrew sound sampler resulted in my tandy coco getting blown up. just happened that my audio amp went pop & put 50V up the joystick port

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justinh:

byebye PIA, UART..

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EnderTheThird:

oooh, that sounds like fun. Nothing like cookin with a Tandy!

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justinh:

I coulda been somebody if I'd kept that up

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EnderTheThird:

The first computer I ever opened up had a Tandy mobo. i remember expecting it to look way cooler. :-/

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Tanthrix:

justinh: The jump from tinkering to getting an EE degree, and actually doing something great, is unfortunately quite huge. :/

[00:56:07]

justinh:

Tanthrix: yeah. andit involves a shat load of pointless maths

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** directhex throws a spare dragon 32 at justinh **

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mzb:

http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=10

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Tanthrix:

justinh: I'm still saddened that I couldn't handle all of it.

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justinh:

I couldn't hack the boredom :)

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EnderTheThird:

i was going to be CS/EE, but then decided on bioengineering and then pre-med. tinkering with someone's insides is way fucking cooler!

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** Tanthrix shakes a first at six terms of calculus, three terms of physics with calculus, and misc other badness **

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justinh:

mistake I made I think was going from B/Tec to a BSC (hons)

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EnderTheThird:

bioengineering = calculus + electrical engineering + chemical engineering + pharmacy = hell

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justinh:

practical, vocational education .. to.. cram, cram, memorise, memorise :-\

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directhex:

the mistake i made was not getting enough sleep, and not revising or doing any coursework properly

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justinh:

oh yeah there was that. Southern Comfort, mad snakebite cocktails, acid & goth chics

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EnderTheThird:

Wow, this looks interesting: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/drives/8e50/?cpg=63H

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mzb_d800:

mine was a rally car

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mzb_d800:

(mistake, that is)

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justinh:

come to think about it, shouldn't failed engineers just have become teachers? :P

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mzb_d800:

or actually, the driver of that car :|

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kdubya:

math and science teachers are failed engineers

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justinh:

is it just me or is there a truckload more -commits traffic than usual lately?

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mzb_d800:

EnderTheThird: all it needs is gigabit and sata

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EnderTheThird:

mzb_d800: Yeah, didn't notice it was IDE at first.

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EnderTheThird:

I wonder what kind of hardware it has in there to do that decoding. Could be a badass Myth FE, heh

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justinh:

could win awards for fugliness

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EnderTheThird:

beauty is on the inside (if you're ugly)

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kdubya:

why are people obsessed with putting frontends on random crap

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kdubya:

usually stuff that would cost more than a proper frontend

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mzb_d800:

coolness factor?

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mzb_d800:

(or cost?)

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EnderTheThird:

kdubya: it's more a size thing with that one. my FE/BE is a full desktop.

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kdubya:

doesnt seem very cool to me

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EnderTheThird:

Having an FE that size that could actually do HD would be nice.

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kdubya:

i have a huge silverstone box

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kdubya:

why are people obsessed with size for that matter

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justinh:

kdubya: my FE lives in a silverstone LC02. the backend is in a fugly noisy box

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EnderTheThird:

I'm American! With nerdy stuff, smaller is better.

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kdubya:

its not like you are moving the thing around all the time

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justinh:

kdubya: because not everybody is impressed by big mysterious looking boxes?

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EnderTheThird:

Ha, I understand your point. For me, it's nothing I'm really that interested in. I'm on a college budget so I'm not buying the damned thing, heh.

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kdubya:

and that is what myth is for

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kdubya:

impressing the ladies

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mzb_d800:

kdubya: isn't there something about size being (inversely) proportional to the size of your member? ;)

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EnderTheThird:

I have actually impressed quite a few girls with Myth and/or Linux. Some of them were actually attractive too!

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mzb_d800:

(inverse for computers, that is;)

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kdubya:

every girl that has been here just says oh my god why are you controlling your tv with a keyboard

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EnderTheThird:

mzb_d800: yeah. I think they had a study on it in the July issue of Scientific Proof Magazine

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mzb_d800:

:)

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justinh:

kdubya: "oh my god why are you controlling your tv with a keyboard you freakin FREAK! I'm outta here, freak-boy!" heheheh

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mzb_d800:

mvix 760 HD = au$339

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EnderTheThird:

kdubya: Logitech Harmony 880! And for the regular computer, they enjoy Compiz.

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EnderTheThird:

Or Compiz Fusion, whatever.

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EnderTheThird:

But then I notice something acting funny and get into the command line, which always throws them off, heh.

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mzb_d800:

nice range of those toys here: http://www.pccasegear.com/category172_1.htm

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EnderTheThird:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/9c9d/zoom/ This man has very fat, ugly hands.

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directhex:

EnderTheThird, http://www.rth.org/sdzoo/Badger%202.jpg this man has a badger

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EnderTheThird:

directhex: son of a bitch, you weren't kidding.

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directhex:

EnderTheThird, looks like an americanese badger, not the more stylish european badger

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directhex:

frankly, i'd be embarrassed to be seen in public with an american badger

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EnderTheThird:

Well, an African badger maybe. But not a European badger, that's what I'm talkin about!.

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directhex:

what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen badger?

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mzb_d800:

depends on the height you're dropping it from ;)

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EnderTheThird:

HAHA!

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EnderTheThird:

Good form, mzb_d800, good form!

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directhex:

stubby-faced yank: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AmericanBadger.JPG

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directhex:

smooth criminal: http://www.dcs.bbk.ac.uk/~assent/img/Badger.jpg

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mzb_d800:

or do you mean it's _terminal_ velocity? ;)

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EnderTheThird:

Well in what position and orientation is the badger falling?

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xoritor:

can someone help me get hdmi out working with the nvidia driver?

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xoritor:

please?

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kdubya:

yeah

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kdubya:

what the deal yo

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beexwxax:

re iamlindoro

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beexwxax:

i lost my internet connection

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xoritor:

how can i see the "monitor" attached via hdmi?

[01:46:14]

kdubya:

have you even tried plugging it in xoritor?

[01:46:21]

xoritor:

its plugged in right now

[01:46:26]

kdubya:

and it doesnt work?

[01:46:28]

xoritor:

but nothing goes to the tv

[01:46:31]

xoritor:

exactly

[01:46:34]

xoritor:

no worky

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kdubya:

you using a dvi to hdmi cable or you have a video card with hdmi?

[01:47:16]

xoritor:

hdmi to hdmi

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xoritor:

its a laptop that has hdmi out

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kdubya:

i see

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kdubya:

it most likely is just trying to output to a resolution that your tv does not support

[01:48:06]

xoritor:

hmm

[01:48:08]

xoritor:

yea prolly

[01:48:16]

xoritor:

my tv does not do 1900x1200

[01:48:17]

xoritor:

;-)

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kdubya:

what resolutions do you have in xorg.conf?

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kdubya:

you should add 720p and 1080 if your TV supports it

[01:48:55]

kdubya:

1080p*

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xoritor:

none... i let xorg probe it

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xoritor:

my tv will do 1080p

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kdubya:

i dunno

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kdubya:

never tried it with a laptop

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xoritor:

you think it could just be the laptop not sending stuff out the port?

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kdubya:

yeah thats very possible

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kdubya:

does it have a dvi or vga port

[01:50:36]

kdubya:

that you could use to test with a desktop monitor

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xoritor:

cause the tv works with the dvi -> hdmi cable on the other box

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xoritor:

it works with the dsub out

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kdubya:

oh

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xoritor:

it works on the laptop screen

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xoritor:

well not to the tv... but to a monitor it works with dsub

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kdubya:

you may have to edit xorg.conf

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xoritor:

hmm

[01:51:41]

kdubya:

it might not be understanding what the TV is telling it

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kdubya:

so force it to 1080p

[01:52:12]

kdubya:

what the hell laptop has an hdmi port anyway?

[01:52:27]

xoritor:

toshiba g35-av650

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kdubya:

is that one of those huge ones with the HD DVD drive?

[01:52:55]

xoritor:

yea

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xoritor:

wish me luck... going to try some config options

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Toxicity999:

For lack of IR Receiver knowledge, the USB Receiver that comes with an MCE remote (one of the older ones, 2nd or 3rd gen) Are a general receiver and not somehow locked in to the remote they ship with right? I assume yes for what i assume is obvious, but I don't want to buy a better remote only to find otherwise.

[02:17:03]

justinh:

YMMV, but I think they're generally locked in

[02:17:20]

justinh:

that isn't to say you can't program another remote to emulate the MCE remote

[02:17:50]

Toxicity999:

Really? That's sort of silly, I didn't expect it to be the case.

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Toxicity999:

Well do all MCE remotes work similarly? If I were to buy a newer gen MCE remote, without the receiver, have you heard anything on that working?

[02:19:15]

Toxicity999:

I guess that is a bit of a specialty case, heh.

[02:20:33]

justinh:

YMMV

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Toxicity999:

Fair enough, lol.

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Toxicity999:

I'll play around with some random remotes kicking around at some point ans see what kind of data, if any it receives.

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justinh:

woot! looks like I fixed the tearing too. i830_tv.c tells the app it's 25Hz refresh rate in its current form. I fink dat is wong so changed it to 50. now suddenly no more tearing apparently

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justinh:

I think I should call it a night

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GreyFoxx:

Wow, dk's already committed a bunch of the windows port stuff

[03:27:52]

kdubya:

is there a branch for it now?

[03:28:04]

adante:

hi, i've set the AutoCommercialFlag to 0 in mythconverg, and my recordings are still being queued for commercial flagging — do i need to restart the backend or something?

[03:28:05]

kdubya:

or is he committing the bugs he fixed that should apply to the linux versiont oo

[03:28:30]

GreyFoxx:

kdubya: no, he's applying it to trunk

[03:28:46]

GreyFoxx:

bugs and code changes as part of the port

[03:28:52]

kdubya:

damn

[03:29:05]

kdubya:

so i could try to compile a windows version

[03:29:06]

kdubya:

like

[03:29:07]

kdubya:

now?

[03:29:10]

GreyFoxx:

I've got the compiled bin's running on my wife's laptop

[03:29:31]

GreyFoxx:

I suppose if you have the windows compilers and all that

[03:29:42]

kdubya:

Those can be obtained.

[03:29:42]

GreyFoxx:

he didn't describe his compile process yet

[03:29:53]

GreyFoxx:

just the patches and the windows exe's/dll's

[03:29:59]

Tanthrix:

Crazy.

[03:30:12]

kdubya:

if it starts to keep up with the linux version i might switch

[03:30:13]

GreyFoxx:

I'd wait a week before trying to compile/run it yourself

[03:30:16]

kdubya:

for blu ray and hd dvd

[03:30:32]

kdubya:

he is just doing the frontend right?

[03:30:33]

GreyFoxx:

frontend works mostly so far, mythvideo

[03:30:40]

GreyFoxx:

plays external files

[03:30:43]

GreyFoxx:

and dvd iso's

[03:31:14]

Tanthrix:

iamlindoro_ is right that a backend on Windows might be cool as well, since it could concievably be a way to work with cablecards.

[03:31:18]

GreyFoxx:

I've only used it to play livetv and recordings so far

[03:31:57]

mindframe-:

i'm having slightly annoying "stutter" issue with playing videos that are shared via NFS. it's just a short pause on xvid movies, happens more often on h264 rips.

[03:32:07]

mindframe-:

what could that be caused by?

[03:32:15]

kdubya:

slow nfs access?

[03:32:22]

Tanthrix:

mindframe-: With mplayer or myth?

[03:32:26]

mindframe-:

100mbit should be enough eh?

[03:32:28]

mindframe-:

myth w/ vlc

[03:32:41]

kdubya:

well yeah maybe your nfs is flakey though

[03:32:58]

mindframe-:

any tweaks i should look at?

[03:33:00]

Tanthrix:

mindframe-: I know for me adding -cache 16000 on mplayer took care of my occasional issues playing back smb mounted stuff.

[03:33:17]

mindframe-:

okay i was wondering if there was a "buffer" setting for vlc

[03:33:24]

mindframe-:

ill look into that

[03:33:27]

Tanthrix:

I would suspect there is.

[03:33:41]

mindframe-:

i just ordered a gigabit switch anyway

[03:33:45]

Tanthrix:

And I don't think it's a matter of bandwidth, but latency issues.

[03:33:49]

mindframe-:

hdhomerun too

[03:34:11]

Tanthrix:

A 100mb connection is way, way more than is necessary for xvid, or really anything but the most craziest HD stuff, stuff that really isn't available anywhere.

[03:34:24]

Tanthrix:

So don't think that gigabit will solve your issues.

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mindframe-:

heh well i have some 1080p stuff

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mindframe-:

that stutters quite a bit

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kdubya:

1080p mpeg2 should still work on 100mbit

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Tanthrix:

But that stuff is still probably only around 8mbps

[03:34:55]

Tanthrix:

Sounds like you're having CPU issues.

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mindframe-:

plenty of cpu

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mindframe-:

amd 6000+

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Tanthrix:

Takes a lot of power to playback 1080p

[03:35:20]

Tanthrix:

Still not necessarely enough for 1080p

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kdubya:

thats plenty

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Tanthrix:

If it's x264, that is

[03:35:35]

Tanthrix:

MPEG2 of course would be fine

[03:36:30]

Tanthrix:

Especially since you're probably not using a multi-threaded decoder, which means you're limited to the max of one of your cores.

[03:36:46]

Tanthrix:

(Might not be enough, especially, that is)

[03:37:04]

kdubya:

multithreaded mplayer is awesome

[03:37:17]

mindframe-:

hmm

[03:37:24]

mindframe-:

that will use both cores on my cpu right?

[03:37:26]

Tanthrix:

I don't think I've ran into a single person who can playback 1080p x264 transport streams, for instance

[03:37:53]

kdubya:

yeah mindframe-

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mindframe-:

kdubya, do i have to recompile it to enable?

[03:38:05]

kdubya:

i think so

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Tanthrix:

mindframe-: Yes. But you should check to see if that is an issue first. Use top to figure out if one of your cores is topping out

[03:38:24]

mindframe-:

k

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mindframe-:

im using mythbuntu atm

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mindframe-:

seriously thinking of switching to knoppmyth

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mindframe-:

any recommendations other than that? im going to be setting up for dvbs at some point.

[03:40:43]

kdubya:

try the cache thing with mplayer

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kdubya:

thats the easiest to try

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Tanthrix:

mindframe-: For testing, run "top -d .3" then press 1 when it's running to see both cores.

[03:41:36]

mindframe-:

alright

[03:41:48]

mindframe-:

oh also mplayer doesnt work w/ my myth installation

[03:42:25]

kdubya:

eh?

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mindframe-:

it does nothing

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mindframe-:

mplayer window doesn't pop up or anything

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kdubya:

and htpc without mplayer is a disgrace

[03:42:57]

kdubya:

an*

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mindframe-:

heh

[03:43:09]

mindframe-:

i blame mythbuntu

[03:43:15]

kdubya:

try mythdora or knoppmyth

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kdubya:

they are both more mature

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mindframe-:

recent kernel?

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kdubya:

i dont know about knoppmyth but no for mythdora

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oobe:

mythbuntu is better than knoppmyth and and mythdora

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kdubya:

pff

[03:51:12]

oobe:

i have tried all 3

[03:51:21]

kdubya:

i only tried mythdora

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kdubya:

it took precisely zero effort

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oobe:

i use my computer as a desktop aswell

[03:52:18]

oobe:

so having somthing thats stable after installing other stuff is more important to me

[03:53:10]

oobe:

rather than somthing that works well at first then breaks quicky lijke windows which is my experience with mythdora

[03:54:19]

kdubya:

mythdora is more designed to be an appliance

[03:54:23]

kdubya:

not a desktop

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oobe:

yeah thats what im thinking

[03:54:43]

oobe:

so im pointing out my preference

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kdubya:

if you are going to use it as your desktop i would just pick the distro you like and then use the packages

[03:55:01]

oobe:

its not so much mythdora its more yum that breaks things

[03:55:10]

oobe:

yeah

[03:55:25]

oobe:

i installed kubuntu then mythbuntu packages

[03:55:46]

oobe:

i have one monitor for myth and other for desktop use

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kdubya:

yum works fine

[03:56:15]

oobe:

im sure mythdora is fine for a pvr

[03:56:16]

kdubya:

i dont know why people hate it

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oobe:

yum does work fine its the 3rd party repos that mytseriously ad themselves that cause the problems

[03:57:17]

oobe:

or 3rd party repos u need to add to install apps that come in other main distros

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kdubya:

freakling livna is who makes it hard to use yum

[03:58:25]

kdubya:

for fedora

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oobe:

yeah its just somthing i can live with out apt works better

[03:59:34]

oobe:

a decent package manegement system is the key to a stable system

[04:00:28]

oobe:

and atrpms suck to

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mindframe-:

honestly i despise yum after using apt

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oobe:

here here

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keith4:

how do I get the modeline for the current mode my video card is using? I want to use the same setup on another front-end, but it's not reading the EDID info correctly, so it refuses to use the correct resolution

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kdubya:

there is some program you can run that prints it out

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kdubya:

i so cannot remember what its called though

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oobe:

im not sure what your talking about do you mean your xorg.conf

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oobe:

cant you just copy that over

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kdubya:

xvditune!

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kdubya:

xvidtune

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kdubya:

run that

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kdubya:

and then click the button that says "show"

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kdubya:

it will print your modeline to the console

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keith4:

kdubya: thanks!

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kdubya:

no problem

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keith4:

i'll try it now

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navreet:

anyone know how I can use yadif filter with mythdvd? I still want to use the internal dvd player though

[04:47:02]

navreet:

basically, I want good deinterlacing

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Tanthrix:

navreet: Give up now. ;)

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Tanthrix:

(I actually don't know if it's possible, I just have never found a software deinterlacer that was anywhere near as good as my TV's built in one)

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kdubya:

yadif was like just added wasnt it

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Tanthrix:

Yadif is one of the better ones though

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navreet:

Tanthrix, purevideo is awesome

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navreet:

Tanthrix, too bad it's not supported under linux

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kdubya:

i think you can do better than a hardware scaler with ffdshow

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navreet:

Tanthrix, it's not just a scaler

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kdubya:

just the slight problem that you need windows

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GreyFoxx:

navree: You using recent svn ?

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GreyFoxx:

I see greedy commited, and I thought yadif too

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robbins61:

Anyone ever travel over seas?

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tank-man:

yea, sucks unless you travel at supersonic speeds :)

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tank-man:

or like sitting in one spot for hours

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tcpsyn:

man.

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tcpsyn:

cooking is a pita

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tcpsyn:

now I feel bad for my mom all those years

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daMaestro:

what is the best way to have 1) my auto transcoded video de-interlaced and 2) the auto-transcoded file names be human readable?

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jhulst:

daMaestro: Not sure about your first question, to make the file names readable you can use a script in the contrib folder

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jhulst:

mythrename.pl maybe?

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daMaestro:

jhatch, and just run the script via an user job?

[07:15:48]

jhulst:

daMaestro: sure, however you want to do it, cron, user

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jhulst:

If you're running .20.1 the script is mythlink.pl I believe, and that will just create symbolic links, it looks like svn got a new script that does full renames

[07:16:53]

tank-man:

the mythtv wiki page has a page on iptv. is mythtv able to record from a settop box that is iptv ?

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daMaestro:

jhulst, mythtv-0.20.2–169.fc8.x86_64 here

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jhulst:

daMaestro: So you should have mythrename.pl

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daMaestro:

ah, and i do

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daMaestro:

nice, and it worked

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daMaestro:

ok, now to find how to deinterlace with the default transcode

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daMaestro:

i didn't see anything in the profile definitions

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daMaestro:

does anyone know if "enable interlaced dct encoding" or "enable interlaced motion estimation" is what i am looking for with regards to automatically de-interlacing?

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daMaestro:

wow.. well both of those are patented

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daMaestro:

wow, well so far i've not found where to auto-deinterlace with the recording profilees

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daMaestro:

profiles*

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adante:

i think it's in playback isn't it?

[08:06:34]

daMaestro:

not for playback, for recording (aka i want to watch the video in an external software player on a lcd)

[08:06:55]

daMaestro:

i'd like to store the video deinterlaced

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chronographer:

hello can anyone give me a link on getting a hauppauge wintv card working in Ubuntu? lspci finds it (philips something) and kaffeine sees it, but can't find any channels. I am in Australia (Tasmania) Thanks!

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daMaestro:

wow.. and Miro doesn't even want to try to read what mythtranscode gives me (mplayer does.. but i can tell it's not de-interlaced)

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chronographer:

so no help finding channels people?

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justinh:

mornin

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justinh:

Dibblah: good news, I sorted out the tearing. refresh rate hard-coded to 25 in the driver. apparently it doesn't make any difference to X, just what it reports to the app. Changed it to 50 and suddenly no more tearing. Course I tried that yesterday & it didn't work but that might've been my xorg.conf at play too. still no DRM though but I can prolly live without that

[09:33:37]

Dibblah:

...

[09:33:54]

Dibblah:

Did you go into the BIOS and change DVMT (I think) to fixed?

[09:34:38]

justinh:

no not yet. I'll be updating the BIOS tonight – borrowed a USB floppy drive since the board doesn't seem to like Nero burnt floppy images

[09:35:33]

robbins61:

is nerolinux even worth it?

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robbins61:

k3b does a pretty decent job

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justinh:

who said anything about nerolinux?

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robbins61:

oh, you just said linux, so i assumed

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justinh:

Dibblah: btw pretty damn obvious problem in the video driver re the chroma flickering. what's half of 576 (active number of lines in PAL) ? It's not 286 :P so the driver was making the tv encoder put out colour bursts on 286 lines of every field instead of 288. I'm thinking about looking at the other tv out code & seeing if that's sane too

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Dibblah:

Pretty sure that's what made DRM work for me.

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Dibblah:

Heh. Nice.

[09:39:33]

Dibblah:

Oh, the i915 and drm modules (kernel) are also required for DRM.

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justinh:

some cheap/old TVs obviously need the burst there for longer than others. the colour info is extracted from a PLL locked to the colour burst frequency. if the burst goes away, bye bye lock.. and er.. flicker

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justinh:

Dibblah: DOH

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Dibblah:

On the plus side, if it was a NV card,... What would you have been able to do?

[09:41:06]

Dibblah:

Complain to NV and that's about it :)

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justinh:

er... erm... hmmm.... ponder? ;)

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** Dibblah likes opensource drivers. **

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Dibblah:

Well, unless they're Via ones.

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justinh:

I looked in the openchrome code for clues about pAL mode settings for the tv encoder... and jesus!

[09:43:03]

justinh:

their stuff is a bunch of meaningless tables

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Dibblah:

I have to admit that the Intel driver code is a joy to read, comparatively.

[09:43:19]

justinh:

no "here's the luma filter register"

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Dibblah:

Just the right level of comments.

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justinh:

I think the intel driver source is as good as having the datasheet

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** Dibblah really shouldn't be wondering if it is in fact possible to run 2x frontends from one box :) **

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justinh:

one per core? :P

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Dibblah:

More difficult since X currently has an issue with 'Zaphod' style dualhead.

[09:46:17]

Dibblah:

Specifically, it doesn't work.

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justinh:

I think I'm using the right version of driver for the version of xorg I've got, so might just need to modprobe i915 & drm. not gonna lose any sleep over it yet

[09:49:10]

Dibblah:

Unfortunately, it appears the XRandR stuff in Myth doesn't currently do refresh rates.

[09:49:13]

Dibblah:

Only resolutions.

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justinh:

something I've noticed though is that there seems to be a distinct lack of information for us poor users of intel graphics. might try to do something about that

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Dibblah:

Which is a problem with ATSC content. :(

[09:49:54]

Dibblah:

Well, to be honest, who would use it? What was your first reaction to the idea?

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justinh:

I think my initial reactions were triggerred by general FUD

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Dibblah:

Just promoting the "by the way, it IS good enough" would be a nice thing.

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Dibblah:

And apparently the chipset _is_ capable of XvMC. It's just not exposed in the driver.

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emory:

Why does screensaver not work with MythTV?

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Dibblah:

emory: Please define "not work"

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Dibblah:

... What happens?

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emory:

i'm reading here in the release notes it shouldn't kick in while i'm watching shows but it is kicking in..

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Dibblah:

Which screensaver?

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Dibblah:

And which Myth version?

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emory:

what would you suggest as the best way to accurately determine that?

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emory:

0.20.2 is what I see in System Status

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Dibblah:

mythfrontend --version

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Dibblah:

Anyway, it's probably -fixes.

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emory:

0.20.20070821–1

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Dibblah:

And what screensaver?

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emory:

mmmm whatever Ubuntu 7.10 uses default

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emory:

little bit of a noob

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emory:

I know enough to be really dangerous

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emory:

but thats about it

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robbins61:

is ubuntu really that nice?

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emory:

I like it

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emory:

I played with Red Hat and SuSE back in the day

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emory:

Ubuntu is really easy

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robbins61:

i'm a fedora man

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emory:

first Dist I've really been willing to move away from Windows for

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emory:

:/

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emory:

Vista helped with that push

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robbins61:

i almost convinced myself to put ubuntu on my laptop, but i'm so comfortable with fedora

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robbins61:

what pushed me away was when i inadvertantly did some windows update

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emory:

I'd recommend giving it a whirl

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Dibblah:

May be fixed with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/147905

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robbins61:

and then i had to deal with some message in xp telling me constantly that i did'nt have genuine software

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emory:

lol

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emory:

yeah

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emory:

well I used Vista at work... and I had a legit license

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Dibblah:

...

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emory:

then one day I come in and the whole thing is locked down

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robbins61:

so i got fed up and switched over, like cold...got rid of my windows partition all together and started with linux

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emory:

says I needed a legit license...

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emory:

i said F-That

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robbins61:

in fact, i intsalled SuSE, then everything i tried to install from the internet had only red hat rpms

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robbins61:

so i switched over

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Dibblah:

Tell it in #i-now-like-linux ;)

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robbins61:

is that a reall chan?

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robbins61:

i'm gonna check it out

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emory:

lol

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Dibblah:

It will be as soon as you go over there ;)

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Dibblah:

Ah, he didn't buy the full licensed IRC client.

[09:58:59]

Dibblah:

If you use that, you can be in more than one channel at a time!

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emory:

gonna read that bug... so I'm moving away from the screen let you know when im back...

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robbins61:

probably the stupidest thing ever

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robbins61:

i love the xfiles

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clever:

damn autoconfig code

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clever:

mysql server does offline for 3 seconds

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clever:

so mythwelcome starts askign on stdin if i want to configure mysql.txt

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clever:

causing the gui to stop responding

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robbins61:

i have dandruf in my sideburns

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robbins61:

gross

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clever:

arg

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clever:

now the fe is closing on its own

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clever:

mid playback

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robbins61:

fe?

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robbins61:

oh, front end

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mzb_d800:

too many fingers in comparison to neurone rpm ?

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mzb_d800:

;)

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anenigma:

So. I have my music all on my laptop. As does another housemate on theirs. And there are two ipods. I know about mythmusic, but people are generally used to their own music players. is there any myth plugin or something which just lets me play audio-in from the soundcard as audio-out, and then doing some slideshow or random screen visualisation?

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robbins61:

i just fell asleep sitting up on m ycouch with my laptop on my lap

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robbins61:

i should go to be

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robbins61:

d

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mzb_d800:

diminishing rpm ;)

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sebrock:

question on OSD. My XMLTV includes pretty long texts about every show so they get cut of i the middel of a word on OSD as it doesnt have any more space to display. Now I know I can set the text to be smaller, but it will get to a point where its not possible to read any more

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sebrock:

there is no scrolling function available?

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GreyFoxx:

nope, no scrolling

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sebrock:

so basically I have to live with not seeing the whole text?

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MavT:

call up 'Program Details' for more information

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GreyFoxx:

Yes, Or submit a patch to support scrolling in the OSD area OR alter your osd theme to display a larger box for the text to be displayed in

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sebrock:

OK thanks

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directhex|bsp:

i vote you write the scrolling patch

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anenigma:

I vote for hookers and blackjack

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mzb_d800:

I second both of those motions ;)

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mzb_d800:

(for lack of better options on the 2nd ;)

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fxr69:

is their any irc channels where i could get help on gae emulators? my heads frying to resolve a mupen64 issue : \

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mzb_d800:

fxr69: tried google?

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fxr69:

luls... ve been all over the internets this morning.. looking for an answer.. oh google for irc channels.. ? good idea

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justinh:

wow. slow day today eh

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directhex|bsp:

yep!

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justinh:

no fun for me though. wife's been admitted to hospital with suspected appendicitus :(

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GreyFoxx:

Doh!

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directhex|bsp:

erk!

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jams:

no fun..went though that 2 weeks ago. Turns out that was not the problem, but still no fun

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justinh:

might not be the problem here either. hope it is to be honest to keep things simple

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jams:

dang you upload speed. Being waiting for about 2 hours now to import my stuff into a remote svn server.

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justinh:

gah that's all I need now. a whining doggie

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Beirdo:

heh. I have been teaching our dog "shut up" and "wait, I'll be right there"

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Beirdo:

the latter is far more effective at this time

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clever:

damnit

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clever:

network ocnnnection on the mysql server kept reseting itself

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clever:

killing the rest of the myth network

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justinh:

Dibblah: good news. certainly helps if you have libgl1-mesa-dri installed :)

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justinh:

oh dear oh dear. MS want XP on the one laptop per child effort. whoops

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justinh:

can't have linux stealing a march now can we?

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directhex|bsp:

xp doesn't support most of the eeepc functions

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directhex|bsp:

xo, i mean

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directhex|bsp:

it runs on eee, with drivers from asus

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directhex|bsp:

but things like 802.11s are core xo features

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justinh:

hmm I'm disappointed in mythbuntu not supporting homebrew serial lirc jobbies out of the box

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justinh:

but then, I'm just using it like 'any other distro' right now anyway

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Dr_willis:

Thats what i am doing with it also. :)

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Dr_willis:

I use a wireless keyboard as my remote however.

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justinh:

bloody big remote

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justinh:

have a job getting it to control the TV too :P

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Dr_willis:

i dont even have the tv hooked up to the antanna. its all through the mythbox.

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Dr_willis:

only button i use on the tv's remote it to change source so i can play my Wii. :)

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justinh:

looks like ITV didn't have any winners in the comedy awards ceremony. again. wonder why? ;)

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justinh:

ugh mythbuntu doesn't even have setserial installed. man oh man

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jams:

mythvantage does....

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justinh:

I'm darned if I'm gonna install from scratch again now ;)

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jams:

hehe

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justinh:

it's nearly there now

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jams:

no problem..I think it will be another 4–6 monts before i can remove the login requirement.

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jams:

maybe longer

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jams:

even then i doubt there will be any public announcment

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justinh:

public announcements bring.. needy people :)

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jams:

yes

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justinh:

I'm surprised I had so little comment about glass-wide. guess I must've done more right this time round

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jams:

how is the latest theme progressing?

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jams:

got past the mockups?

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jams:

the theme for cecial

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jams:

cecil

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The_Rebel:

hello

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jams:

hi

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The_Rebel:

anyone got a DVB-S setup?

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jams:

not me

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justinh:

oh man! mythbuntu doesn't even have support for lirc_serial built in :( no big deal since I know what I'm doing but...

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justinh:

jams: been busy with the new frontend stuff. I'll start looking at it again soon. hope to get something out by the next release whenever that is

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The_Rebel:

how is mythbuntu?

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jams:

justinh- thats cools..just curious.

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The_Rebel:

i was thinking about using it for the HTPC im building (with dvb-s)

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justinh:

depends what you want. if you want an easier life than installing mythtv on ubuntu, go with it

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Dr_willis:

Im using Mythbunut here – no hassles for my rather light needs.

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justinh:

other, more mature mythtv-based distros are available however ;)

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Dr_willis:

Of course i installed mythtv on my other ubuntu machines.. and it was no real hassle either.

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jams:

if you dont' like ubuntu then don't go with it =)

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The_Rebel:

like what, justinh?

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justinh:

er.. knoppmyth for one

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The_Rebel:

i like ubuntu though..

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** justinh goes a-visiting **

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The_Rebel:

i was also thinking about knoppmyth on the otherhand..

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The_Rebel:

but mythbuntu has an AMD64 build..

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The_Rebel:

might help..

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The_Rebel:

might not..

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jams:

for myth i don't see it helping.

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Dr_willis:

i wonder how the 64bit stuff affects the various codec song and dance linux often has to do.

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The_Rebel:

pbly not that great for things already compiled for 32bit..

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The_Rebel:

so it'd pbly be a pain compiling everything from source for 64bit

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The_Rebel:

so maybe it isn't worth the trouble

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** The_Rebel starts downloading a knoppmyth iso **

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The_Rebel:

R5F27?

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jams:

The_Rebel- yes that looks right

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jams:

locale-gen

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jams:

dang it, wrong window

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beexwax:

hi

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beexwax:

i have an osprey 440 card

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beexwax:

with 4 different inputs

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beexwax:

and i need to connect those inputs to different cable boxes from my provider.

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beexwax:

i need to set up differents sources for each input?

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beexwax:

anyone alive?

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Dr_willis:

hmm

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Dr_willis:

beyonnd my experience. sorry.

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beexwax:

ok

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beexwax:

im trying 2 make a proyect

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beexwax:

not for watching tv, to monitoring tv channels

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clever:

mythbackend keeps eating cpu any time the mysql server goes away

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clever:

and keeps eating after it comes back

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clever:

feels like a broken thread

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sebrock:

is it possible to list music from records and not artists?

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sebrock:

anyone?

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sebrock:

I guess its possible....

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jams:

sebrock- you could play around with the tree sorting. if nothing else using tree sorting of directory and arrange your music on disk like you want to see it.

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** xand wonders what he's doing wrong... i have a wintv nova-t 500 pci card, can't get mythtv to find it... I downloaded the firmware for it and modprobed dvb-usb-dib0700 but mythtv-setup doesn't find the card **

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directhex:

s

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directhex:

it's detected as two cards

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levander:

Anyone can tell me how many bits of data are in an SDTV stream? Like, a pretty good quality mp3 has 192kb/s. How many does SDTV have?

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GreyFoxx:

There is no single answer

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** xand reads the mythtv page on it **

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BULLE:

levander: depends on the file format, and sound etc

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GreyFoxx:

if varies from channel to channel and broadcaster to broadcaster

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directhex:

levander, depends on the broadcaster

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directhex:

levander, and i presume you mean digital SD

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GreyFoxx:

so 1 stream might be 2 mbit, another might be 4

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GreyFoxx:

if it's analog then you determine that by your bitrate/samplerate

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BULLE:

levander: but here, in sweden, digital SD, mpeg2, with DD sound, wich by people here is seen as good quality, seems to be 4–5mbit

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levander:

Well, it's just being encoded by my PVR 500. So, I guess that would determine the number of bits in the stream?

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directhex:

levander, yes, it would

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GreyFoxx:

levander: You tell myth (which tells the card) what bitrate to use

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directhex:

levander, there are no "streams" in analog

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directhex:

examples from digital SD:

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directhex:

low-quality channel:

[20:18:33]

directhex:

Duration: 00:29:45.4, start: 30845.752600, bitrate: 337 kb/s

[20:18:33]

directhex:

Stream #0.0[0x5dd](eng): Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, mono, 64 kb/s

[20:18:33]

directhex:

Stream #0.1[0x21]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 720x576, 8000 kb/s, 25.00 fps(r)

[20:19:07]

directhex:

high quality channel:

[20:19:10]

directhex:

Duration: 00:24:56.5, start: 5463.533856, bitrate: 6007 kb/s

[20:19:10]

directhex:

Stream #0.0[0x258]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 720x576, 15000 kb/s, 25.00 fps(r)

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directhex:

Stream #0.1[0x259](eng): Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 256 kb/s

[20:19:15]

fryfrog:

levander: you set the bitrate in recording profiles, default is like 2.2G/hr, so just do the math and you'll get the bits/sec

[20:20:05]

levander:

fryfrog: Ah, okay. I know I was getting about a gig per half-hour. So, I'm probably using the default your talking about.

[20:20:36]

levander:

directhex: So, the first stream is 8MB/s (about) and the second is 15MB/s?

[20:22:29]

directhex:

levander, whoops, know what? the first one is a radio stream :)

[20:22:36]

levander:

fryfrog: I'm trying to do some basic math on 2.2GB/hour. I'm getting like 600 KB/s. That sounds way to lay.

[20:22:40]

levander:

way to low*

[20:22:54]

fryfrog:

hang on, lemme do the math :p

[20:23:00]

directhex:

levander, just look at the top line marked "bitrate", the rest is miscalculated

[20:23:04]

directhex:

let me try again...

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fryfrog:

640kbps?

[20:23:41]

directhex:

high quality: Duration: 00:24:56.5, start: 5463.533856, bitrate: 6007 kb/s

[20:23:41]

fryfrog:

no, sorry

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fryfrog:

640KB/sec

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directhex:

low quality: Duration: 00:39:54.8, start: 69291.981444, bitrate: 1850 kb/s

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directhex:

yeah, that looks better

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fryfrog:

5126kbps

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directhex:

remember that's bit not bytes

[20:25:31]

fryfrog:

how do you get get an mpeg's info?

[20:25:35]

fryfrog:

mplayer --... something?

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directhex:

so the "high quality" recording is 2.7GiB per hour, the "low quality" is 0.8GiB

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directhex:

fryfrog, ffmpeg -i filename

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fryfrog:

thanks

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levander:

So, my old 33 MHz PCI bus, that's probably not what's slowing it down. Because it gets 133 MB/s?

[20:26:18]

levander:

directhex: Yeah, I'm looking at what you and fryfrog were posting, I was definitely mixing b and B earlier.

[20:26:27]

fryfrog:

i guess my math was way wrong :/

[20:26:29]

fryfrog:

Stream #0.0[0x1e0]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 720x480, 6000 kb/s, 29.97 fps(r)

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directhex:

fryfrog, look at the overall Duration line

[20:26:47]

directhex:

fryfrog, the stream line is generally wrong

[20:26:49]

fryfrog:

levander: hard drives, pci bus, everthing can *easily* keep up with SD and HD

[20:26:52]

fryfrog:

ah

[20:27:01]

fryfrog:

Duration: 01:02:57.1, start: 0.222656, bitrate: 5214 kb/s

[20:27:13]

fryfrog:

that is "kilo*bits*" or bytes?

[20:27:30]

fryfrog:

i think bits

[20:27:31]

levander:

fryfrog: When I do PiP with SDTV on a dual PIII 550 box, I'm getting prebuffering pauses in Mythfrontend.log.

[20:27:33]

directhex:

fryfrog, lower case b – kibibits

[20:27:47]

fryfrog:

levander: ah, you are the PiP SD guy on dual p3 550s :)

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fryfrog:

I think i'd stop using PiP :p

[20:27:56]

levander:

Yeah, how'd you know?

[20:28:04]

fryfrog:

you've been here a while ago

[20:28:07]

levander:

fryfrog: I have, but it's hard to let something like this go...

[20:28:16]

fryfrog:

yeah, i know how you feel :(

[20:28:20]

levander:

fryfrog: Myth is working fine without it.

[20:28:39]

fryfrog:

i have to imagine it is those slow cpus, even if you aren't seeing 100% cpu usage :(

[20:28:47]

levander:

I'm about to open up iostat and sar and do tutorials to see if I can see what's goin one.

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fryfrog:

i don't spose you can test pip on an identical system except with something better?

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** Beirdo kicks his ISP in the nads. **

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BULLE:

or, just buy a cheap new motherboard and cpu ,and be done with it

[20:29:16]

levander:

fryfrog: Maybe. You know, I was looking on Ebay. I could get faster CPU's for this old box for like $10/CPU.

[20:29:18]

fryfrog:

and... also, why are you still watching Live TV? :p

[20:29:19]

BULLE:

Beirdo: comcast ? =D

[20:29:28]

fryfrog:

levander: i wouldn't even bother

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Beirdo:

I can get to a bunch of stuff (like my linode) fine, but not get to google today very well

[20:29:41]

Beirdo:

I wish it was comcast

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fryfrog:

levander: get an old 939 mb + slow X2 cpu maybe

[20:29:55]

fryfrog:

or even a 939 with an old 3200+ single core cpu

[20:30:05]

Beirdo:

Liberty Cablevision. frigging tards can't do anything right it seems ;)

[20:30:16]

Beirdo:

routing? What's that?

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fryfrog:

isn't that where you make neat incisions in wood?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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fryfrog:

i love it when british people call it a "rooter" :)

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levander:

fryfrog: I need more than just the number 939 to search ebay. What's the rest of the name of that chipset?

[20:31:38]

Beirdo:

must be what happened, they are using one of the routers to make a tabletop or something

[20:31:51]

fryfrog:

939 is an amd socket type

[20:31:51]

levander:

fryfrog: oh, nevermind, they come right up

[20:32:00]

levander:

fryfrog: yeah, i see that now.

[20:32:05]

fryfrog:

there are nvidia, ati, amd and uhh... via chipsets

[20:32:16]

fryfrog:

it was just an example though, i imagine you can find cheap intel cpus too

[20:32:18]

BULLE:

fryfrog: sis also

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Beirdo:

nForce3 or nForce4 (nVidia) seem to work fine here

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fryfrog:

though i think from *that* era, 939 amd64 is fast

[20:32:54]

fryfrog:

i'd get an nforce4 also

[20:33:04]

fryfrog:

might even be able to find one with built in nvidia graphics

[20:33:22]

** Beirdo looks at his lone running Athlon box and wishes he had money to give it a lobotomy. **

[20:33:52]

Beirdo:

poor fileserver... sniff

[20:34:09]

fryfrog:

what, like, you'd stick an icepick in and wiggle it around?

[20:34:20]

Beirdo:

hehe. that could be fun

[20:34:23]

fryfrog:

your file server is... to emotional?

[20:34:33]

Beirdo:

I was thinking more of replacing it with something more modern

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fryfrog:

i did that once, sort of :(

[20:34:48]

BULLE:

fryfrog: stuck an iepick in the cpu and wiggled around ?

[20:34:53]

Beirdo:

as in perform a brain transplant :)

[20:35:01]

fryfrog:

i was a pizza driver, so i brought home a digital temp probe

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fryfrog:

i thought "humm, wonder what the temp of the hard drives is!"

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Beirdo:

ummm, use smartctl and ask the drive? :)

[20:35:27]

fryfrog:

insert image of me inserting *METAL PROBE* between two hard drives (albiet carefully)

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fryfrog:

this is like 98ish

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levander:

Are some of these 939 motherboards not so old? Some of these people on Ebay are asking for like $100 for one of them. You can get a brand new one for that much.

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Beirdo:

ooh

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fryfrog:

yeah, 939 you can still easily buy new stuff

[20:36:01]

fryfrog:

i took out the hard drive and motherboard with the short :)

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Beirdo:

well done. upgrade time...

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Beirdo:

ick

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fryfrog:

it was my wife's (then gf's) system i built for her and it sucked, so it was no big loss :)

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fryfrog:

lesson learned though, i no longer probe *running* computers with metal objects!

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directhex:

levander, 939 is obsolete. it cost me a fortune when mine popped & i had to really hunt around for a replacement

[20:39:09]

fryfrog:

directhex: but he isn't looking for something new/modern (shit, he is considering replacing dual p3s!

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levander:

Is it the odd numbered nforce's or the even numbered nforce's that have problems usually? Like, it was either nforce3 and nforce5 people were saying to stay away from. Or, it was nforce2 and nforc4.

[20:39:30]

fryfrog:

if you were going new, I'd suggest core2 duo for sure (or *maybe* AM2 if you were an intel junkie)

[20:39:34]

directhex:

fryfrog, precisely. there's no reason to spend much on it, anyone expecting lots on ebay is deluded

[20:39:41]

fryfrog:

nforce4 is nice

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levander:

fryfrog: C2D is my desktop. That's the one I'm on now.

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fryfrog:

directhex: oh, yeah for sure

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directhex:

fryfrog, am2 is much slower than c2d

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levander:

Don't think I need that stuff for Myth.

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fryfrog:

i'm thinking there should be some decent steals for 939 stuff

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fryfrog:

opps, i said "intel junkie" when i meant "amd junkie"

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fryfrog:

vs. what I am which is "performance / dollar junkie" :)

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directhex:

fryfrog, if you're the kind of fanboy who buys kit based on some bizarre "loyalty" to a multinational megacorp, you need help

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fryfrog:

i concur!

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fryfrog:

though, i'll give some weight to a brand if it is *consistant* but... almost always happily go with who ever is "good" at the time.

[20:42:16]

levander:

Myth doesn't transcode while it's recording does it? It does that later right?

[20:42:42]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[20:42:51]

GreyFoxx:

after it's finished if you configure it to transcode

[20:43:22]

fryfrog:

well, the backend will do anything it wants at any time

[20:43:23]

jams:

dangit my svn import just crapped out 6 hours into it.

[20:43:31]

fryfrog:

ie, you may be watching show a, but it'll be transcoding show x

[20:43:36]

fryfrog:

or commflagging show 2

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levander:

I wish somebody had a bunch of articles on the history of the AMD vs. Intel battles. It would come in handy right about now digging through old parts on Ebay.

[20:44:59]

directhex:

levander, pick a year

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fryfrog:

levander: it isn't to bad, they swap back and forth

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fryfrog:

current is core2

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fryfrog:

before core2, amd64

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levander:

Like, a history of the desktop processor battles for the last five years would be awesome right about now.

[20:45:32]

fryfrog:

before that, you probably don't want to consider (since it is p3s and athlons)

[20:45:46]

levander:

fryfrog: where did the opteron and x2 fit in?

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directhex:

levander, opteron is for servers

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levander:

And, weren't like nforce3 and nforce5 buggy? Or, was it nforce2 and nforce4 that were buggy? I dont' remember.

[20:46:27]

directhex:

levander, x2 was short-lived as the best general-purpose dual-core cpu, the writing was on the wall from day one (pentium-m proved what intel were up to)

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fryfrog:

nforce4 is stable

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directhex:

levander, 1 was buggy. 2 & 3 were broadly fine, 4's only relatively recently been fine. 5 i'm unsure

[20:46:58]

levander:

And pentium-m was just a low watt processor?

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fryfrog:

i use that on all my systems

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directhex:

levander, pentium-m was a complete overhaul from the garbage of pentium 4

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fryfrog:

pentium-m is a laptop, it eventually became core2

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fryfrog:

sort of

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directhex:

levander, the first "core microarchitecture" cpu was pentium-m, it predates actual "core" chips

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fryfrog:

i doubt there are a whole lot of p-m desktop boards

[20:47:42]

levander:

Oh, this I didn't know, that the pentiun-m evolved into the core2

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directhex:

fryfrog, a couple. expensive & rare

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directhex:

levander, core solo is basically pentium-m

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levander:

directhex: was the x2 a amd64?

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fryfrog:

from that era you are looking at, an amd64 + nforce4 is fine

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directhex:

levander, yes

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fryfrog:

or amd64 X2 if you can afford it, even better

[20:48:19]

levander:

directhex: what are the calling the amd dual cores now?

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directhex:

fryfrog, nf4 forces pcie

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fryfrog:

true, so nforce3'd be okay too

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directhex:

levander, still x2. but unable to compete with c2d

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fryfrog:

but might be some nforce4 with built in nvidia gpu?

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levander:

I thought x2 was short lived?

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fryfrog:

no way

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fryfrog:

X2 is "dual core"

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levander:

Sombody said that above.

[20:49:05]

fryfrog:

amd's naming, that is

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directhex:

levander, the short-lived "best"

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fryfrog:

ah, right

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fryfrog:

core2 came out and said "hi, i am better" :)

[20:49:37]

directhex:

levander, intel make a quantum leap with core2 on the desktop

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levander:

Ah, that it was the best was short lived. But it's still a decent little processor at a cheap price?

[20:50:02]

directhex:

levander, x2 chips are better than pentium-d, if that's your price/era option

[20:50:03]

fryfrog:

yar

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levander:

So far, it sounds like I'm intersted in an nForce3 board with an amd64 (maybe x2) chip

[20:50:23]

fryfrog:

levander: unless you don't mind having pci-e

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fryfrog:

what kind of video card do you have now for it?

[20:50:43]

levander:

yeah, I remember pentium-d were lame. That was around the time of the hyper-threading nonsense that no one was ever able to make much use of

[20:51:00]

levander:

fryfrog: A nvidia 6200. I like it because it's fanless.

[20:51:08]

fryfrog:

is that agp or pci-e?

[20:51:13]

levander:

And has component TV-out

[20:51:14]

fryfrog:

and i meant, what do you have in your dual p3?

[20:51:15]

levander:

AGP.

[20:51:19]

fryfrog:

ah

[20:51:23]

levander:

That's what I have in there.

[20:51:24]

fryfrog:

wow, didn't know they had 6200agp :)

[20:51:30]

fryfrog:

so you'd want a board with AGP

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levander:

yeah, probably

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fryfrog:

think i'm using a 6200 too, but pci-e

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levander:

which rules out nforce4, right?

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fryfrog:

yes

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fryfrog:

nforce3 it is :)

[20:53:32]

fryfrog:

well, i mean... maybe there are some nforce4 agp boards?

[20:53:43]

fryfrog:

i don't know conclusivly for sure that nforce4 == no agp

[20:53:59]

fryfrog:

but i would say it *strongly* implies pci-e

[20:54:19]

levander:

Okay, i'll keep my eyes open, but did someone say nforce4 had some problems above?

[20:54:38]

fryfrog:

directhex did, but all i use is nforce4 and i have 0 issues

[20:54:45]

fryfrog:

I have 2x windows desktops, no issues on nforce4

[20:55:02]

fryfrog:

and 1 nforce4 former server, now frontend that is peachy keen

[20:55:47]

levander:

fryfrog: you haven't seen it around the web that a couple of the nforce revisions haven't been as stable as others?

[20:56:17]

fryfrog:

no, but then again, i wouldn't be looking since i didn't have any issues :/

[20:57:52]

levander:

fryfrog: YOu know, I didn't know the bus bandwidths (like IDE/PCI) dominated the required video bandwidth so much. It's really got to be the processor on this box that's holding it back, like you said.

[20:58:31]

fryfrog:

levander: almost certainly. it is a bit odd that you don't see 100% cpu, but...

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levander:

fryfrog: top only refresh like every 2 seconds or so, and every cpu usage number you ever see is some kind of "average". It could be pegging the CPU kind of instantaneously. The skips are only momentary.

[20:59:47]

fryfrog:

nah, top is a good indicator

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levander:

CPU's aren't at any one time at 70% usage.

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fryfrog:

even if it only refreshes every few sec

[21:00:03]

fryfrog:

and your "load average"?

[21:00:06]

fryfrog:

2 or less?

[21:00:11]

levander:

But, it's more like you were using the processor for 70% of the time over the last interval.

[21:00:24]

jams:

you could use top -d .3

[21:00:43]

levander:

I never have paid attention to "load average". What's that?

[21:01:00]

fryfrog:

it is a measure of total system load

[21:01:01]

levander:

I didn't say top was a bad tool. Just that it may not be catching what the problem is here.

[21:01:15]

levander:

fryfrog: Obviously, from the name.

[21:01:18]

fryfrog:

it takes into account cpu usage, processes waiting for time, io, stuff

[21:01:29]

fryfrog:

the wiki entry explains it better though :)

[21:01:41]

fryfrog:

generally, you get +1 per cpu

[21:01:44]

levander:

fryfrog: Okay, it's like a Quarterback Ranking? I'll have to read it.

[21:01:52]

fryfrog:

so a load of "1" or less is decent for a 1 cpu box

[21:01:57]

fryfrog:

2 or less for a 2 cpu, etc, etc

[21:02:09]

fryfrog:

i don't know *anything* about football :(

[21:02:13]

levander:

Hmmm, okay.

[21:02:49]

levander:

fryfrog: They've got big formulas based on passes, TD's, etc. that they formulate into a number to tell you how good a quarterback is. It's called the Quarterback Ranking.

[21:02:58]

levander:

I think it's called that... not remembering now.

[21:04:55]

xand:

ok... i ssh -X to my mythtv backend box... the first time I try to run mythtv-setup is says "The program 'zenity' received an X Window System error." and some other stuff, the second time it always works :S

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levander:

Very weird.

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levander:

xand: What OS is on both the boxes?

[21:13:25]

xand:

debian, ubuntu

[21:13:33]

xand:

doesn't really matter, just annoyed me :D

[21:14:01]

** xand wonders how much he'll have to faff around with EPG stuff to get this new tuner working :| **

[21:14:12]

levander:

xand: If you post that to figure it out, definitely go to the Debian community. The Ubuntu community will pepper you with all kinds of weird guesses.

[21:14:40]

xand:

i don't go in #ubuntu ;)

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xand:

anyway, if I add another card/video source that gets the same channels as the existing one, do I need to configure all the channels again?

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levander:

IIRC, you configure the channels for each and every video source...

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iamlindoro_:

no, just attach the same listing source

[21:16:48]

levander:

apparently i don't recall correctly

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xand:

hm

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xand:

the first time it was rather a pain to match up the channels to the right EPG data

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iamlindoro_:

Again, all you do is set the capture card up, then attach your same listings source to the input on that card... backend will then decide which to use for recordings backed on card priority

[21:18:17]

iamlindoro_:

er based on

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levander:

You know, the nForce3 isn't being supported for Vista. I'm surprised prices haven't plummeted on Ebay.

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levander:

Well, apparently you can use them with Vista, it's just there are no "native" (e.g., written by nvidia) dirvers, just some generic ones that come with Vista

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** xand wonders what happened to xmltv.radiotimes.com :S **

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directhex:

what's to require? the standard gart driver works fine, nvidia's ide driver is crap

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MrGandalf:

anyone here use nvidia's sync to vblank setting?

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xand:

mmm something broke

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levander:

I just saw this the other day: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/133863

[21:27:03]

levander:

It's from back in 2005. I've been meaning to "try that stuff and see".

[21:27:39]

levander:

MrGandalf: That stuff was for you.

[21:28:01]

MrGandalf:

ah, thanks.. I've tried all the suggestions though

[21:28:06]

MrGandalf:

I just found an oddity

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levander:

What's that?

[21:28:41]

MrGandalf:

watching 60hz HD content drives X to 20% if sync'ed to vblank

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MrGandalf:

30hz content is half of that

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MrGandalf:

however

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MrGandalf:

if I bring up the guide, X goes to 98%

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MrGandalf:

and stays there for around 2 minutes after I exit the guide

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levander:

And if you turn that sync to vblank thing off, the guide doesn't make X do that?

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MrGandalf:

then it finally falls back to 20%

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MrGandalf:

correct

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levander:

I'd report that. Sounds like a bug.

[21:30:08]

levander:

Does Myth have a bugzilla?

[21:30:16]

MrGandalf:

track

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MrGandalf:

svn

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levander:

you mean trac?

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MrGandalf:

er, yeah..

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levander:

I'd report it in trac. Do searches (on "vblank" probably) to see if its already in there.

[21:31:40]

MrGandalf:

I've done many and have submitted several bugs & patches to trac already. :) I thought that behavor was odd.. nobody has ever mentioned it before

[21:32:45]

levander:

MrGandalf: Well, I'm still newb. Myth user for maybe 3 weeks now. I wouldn't know. But, it definitely sounds like erroneous behavior, as you've pointed out.

[21:33:38]

MrGandalf:

well, I think you'll find that most times it's worth the trouble

[21:33:59]

levander:

That what's worth the trouble?

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MrGandalf:

I've been using Myth since late 2000

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xand:

iamlindoro_: I must be stupid because I can't see how to use the same tv listings for multiple video sources

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MrGandalf:

MythTV

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levander:

I've been wanting to get on the bandwagon since then, just never quite hd the time or resources till now.

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iamlindoro_:

xand, you just go to the screen in mythtv-setup where you attach a listings source to a input (s-video, tuner 1, whatever), go into that input, and select the appropriate listings source for it, and hit finish. Simple as that.

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xand:

iamlindoro_: why does it want to run mythfilldatabase for each then? it already has the data

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iamlindoro_:

xand, probably just default behavior, shouldn't really matter if you do

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iamlindoro_:

as long as you don't create a new listings source for each, it should work just fine

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xand:

not sure what you mean by a listings source :|

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iamlindoro_:

ie, a schedules direct lineup in my case

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xand:

for each video source, it asks what Listings Grabber to use

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iamlindoro_:

If you have four tuners that tune the same channels, you only need one lineup for them. And that lineup is attached to inputs on each card.

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iamlindoro_:

xand, and, if they're the same, then you use the same grabber/listings source/lineup on each one

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xand:

the card setup has no mention of listings

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xand:

I have two DVB cards, one that was already there and setup, and now i've added another which has two tuners

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xand:

so I've added the two new capture cards (it appears as two), and added a video source for each

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xand:

and told them to use the same listings grabber, but it's created a seperate .xmltv for each

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iamlindoro_:

xand, it's clear that I'm going to be unable to make you understand this without becoming impatient. So I'll stop at saying you a) define all your cards, b) define your listing sources/grabbers, and then, assuming each tuner card gets the same channels as the others, attach the same listing source to an input on each tuner.

[21:45:37]

justinh:

listings source, video source, fred, bill.. they all mean the same thing more or less :P

[21:46:26]

antiPosix:

whats a decent DVB card that people have had little issues with

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: now I understand what the hubbub was about on the dev list

[21:46:53]

directhex:

hubbadubdub?

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FinnTux:

antiPosix, hauppauge nova-t is pretty good

[21:48:05]

FinnTux:

and I've heard the technisat airstar2 is nice

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justinh:

yeh well, they went to hell in my mind. very few actual devs chipped in so nobody else's word is worth a light IMHO

[21:48:27]

directhex:

what did i miss?

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justinh:

directhex: I proposed renaming 'video sources' to 'something else'

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justinh:

it quickly dissolved into a bickering session revolving around semantics

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directhex:

justinh, productive!

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directhex:

which one is "video sources" again? it's the listsings sources isn't it?

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directhex:

i forget

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justinh:

I just said fuck it, if a little thing like that can cause such dissent why even bother?

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iamlindoro_:

directhex, yeah

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iamlindoro_:

although you might not think so from reading that thread :)

[21:50:12]

directhex:

iamlindoro_, fuck the thread. too many opinionated idiots troll free software

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justinh:

the actual developers need to say their piece, and the -dev list isn't the place to get that

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iamlindoro_:

lots of bitcvhing about edge-usages like "I call my listings source VCR because I plug my VCR in and that's the video source."

[21:50:48]

justinh:

yeah you read that right

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iamlindoro_:

"Therefore video sources is an appropriate name Pllllllllllbbbbbt"

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antiPosix:

FinnTux: nova-t-500?

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justinh:

"twas always thus, and IMHO should always be thus". and I was like "yeah, whatever"

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FinnTux:

antiPosix, it somewhat works too but I meant plain nova-t

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FinnTux:

one tuner PCI card

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directhex:

heaven forbid software improve

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xand:

OH, so "video source" doesn't mean that at all.

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directhex:

i say myth should force you to enter transponder details to tune dvb-t again. it was so good at eliminating the plebs before

[21:52:55]

xand:

that's why I was confused

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directhex:

xand, shhh" the luddites will come & beat you with a loom if you suggest the status quo is wrong

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justinh:

xand: funny, that was the _exact_ reason I proposed changing it. I know what it means but I think it can be confusing to newbies

[21:53:28]

iamlindoro_:

xand: yes, as justinh said, video source=listings source=grabber source=listings=the kitchen sink

[21:53:36]

GreyFoxx:

xand: Yeah the name can be quite confusing to a lot ofpeople. The name will be changed. Just noone has decided on one it will be

[21:53:56]

directhex:

why is "listings source" bad? it covers 99% of use cases

[21:53:57]

justinh:

GreyFoxx: nice to know that the ball is at least rolling on that

[21:54:06]

iamlindoro_:

I dunno, I like that one

[21:54:25]

FinnTux:

btw, is there any rough estimate when this multirec stuff is merger into svn?

[21:54:45]

justinh:

I don't mind not being on the top secret list. the amount of code I contribute doesn't warrant me having a voice there anyway, so fair dues

[21:54:50]

directhex:

when is that section not used for listings? where you have none in your country (where it's still *meant* to be for it), or sumb edge cases myth isn't designed for like VCRs

[21:54:51]

FinnTux:

I'm just wondering should I go for multirec branch or wait for a while

[21:55:08]

FinnTux:

merged*

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GreyFoxx:

FinnTux: Just waiting on some stuff being worked on by dk. then it will be merge to trunk. Likely just a week or so. Or so I gathered

[21:55:19]

GreyFoxx:

but multirec is not far behind trunk as it is

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directhex:

woo!

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directhex:

and enabling threaded decoding by default?

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FinnTux:

GreyFoxx,

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FinnTux:

nice

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FinnTux:

I'll wait then

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xand:

now I just need to find an aerial cable >.<

[21:55:41]

GreyFoxx:

and then users can shake out bugs over xmas

[21:55:48]

GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: That I don't know :)

[21:56:09]

GreyFoxx:

now that people are getting time off more tickets are being worked on and closed :)

[21:56:17]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, stick it in & feature freeze for 0.21!

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justinh:

god what the hell is going to stop this dog whining? he's always like this when the mrs is away

[21:56:27]

GreyFoxx:

directhex|bsp: That's likely not far off

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justinh:

like I don't effing feel bad enough

[21:56:34]

FinnTux:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1104 <- how about this? multi channel patch

[21:56:44]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, a new release is long overdue, and the features list warrants it

[21:56:55]

FinnTux:

me and my analog input amplifier would love it :)

[21:57:07]

jams:

yep it's a shame the release window was missed a few months ago.

[21:57:35]

GreyFoxx:

There is a tentative date in the works , just nothing officially announced

[21:57:42]

jams:

GreyFoxx- any news on that dvd changer?

[21:57:55]

GreyFoxx:

and some talk of more regular release schedules after that

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GreyFoxx:

jams: I told the wife, now it's up to her :)

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jams:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

It'd be an xmas gift :)

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jams:

that would be awesome to have full support for

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directhex:

jams, without multirec, what could people have pointed to in 0.21 as worth it over 0.20?

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GreyFoxx:

storage groups are big for a lot of people

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jams:

storage groups

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GreyFoxx:

and a lot of other stuff that has faded from my memory since 0.20 came out

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FinnTux:

just was about to say storage groups

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directhex:

the time gap is huge though. you need a feature list after all that time, not just one feature

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iamlindoro_:

ffmpeg update certainly helps

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jams:

bettor memory managemnt for themes

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GreyFoxx:

yeah lower ram requirements

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FinnTux:

flashplayer in mythweb

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directhex:

FinnTux, good one

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iamlindoro_:

MythFellatio merge into SVN

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, i don't doubt it, but you need to make it exciting! hit the headlines! lower ram is "oh, right, good". multirec is "zomg!"

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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justinh:

the better memory management for themes was backported to -fixes too IIRC

[22:02:29]

GreyFoxx:

I'm shocked by how few users have commented on the windows version of kmythfrontend

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GreyFoxx:

but I suppose it was on -dev not -users

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FinnTux:

memory usage could still be better. kids have mythtv box of their own and 2100+ amd / 256 MB RAM is a bit low :)

[22:02:46]

FinnTux:

with full gnome desktop of course

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GreyFoxx:

that's why

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justinh:

so don't use my themes then :P

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** jams has not yet tried the windows frontend **

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FinnTux:

hehe

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directhex:

myth should make people go "zomg" on features, because let's be honest here, it's not going to make people "zomg" with the eye candy. themes are great, but the most "life" it ever shows is flipbook anmimation, or menu fading with opengl

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GreyFoxx:

jams: I plaed with it last night

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FinnTux:

theres a windows frontend?

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GreyFoxx:

FinnTux: patches were put into the ticket system yesterday

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GreyFoxx:

with a link to a zip of compiled exe's for windows

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justinh:

heh has it not been on \. yet? :P

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GreyFoxx:

very beta

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justinh:

ffs no I hope it very does get on \.

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GreyFoxx:

but it played livetv and receordings just fine

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justinh:

*very/never

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jams:

GreyFoxx- this is different then CDEV's windows port?

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GreyFoxx:

jams: yup

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, see, that's an exciting feature for many households

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jams:

thought so

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FinnTux:

ok, I don't need one though. but few friends of mine might be interested

[22:04:30]

justinh:

directhex: headline grabber, nothing of real note

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GreyFoxx:

Daniel has already commited some of the stuff

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directhex:

justinh, it's of note for households that aren't all linux

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directhex:

mythtv player sorta sucks

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justinh:

directhex: so? Sky HD boxes are only for people with Sky HD. I don't spend any time crying about it

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jams:

GreyFoxx- for the remote fetching via remote are you thinking a xml feed?

[22:07:01]

jams:

i'm thinking of taking a stab at adding that for my selection box

[22:07:15]

justinh:

the bar to entry in mythtv right now is a _good_ thing IMHO. I don't want it to be there forever though

[22:07:18]

GreyFoxx:

jams: Yeah

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jams:

if i succeed then it should be an easy port back to trunk

[22:07:36]

FinnTux:

is there a way to update program listing from another backend?

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GreyFoxx:

Run it as an xml service from mythtv.org or something

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jams:

if i fail then well i have built character.

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GreyFoxx:

hehehe

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directhex:

justinh, it's not just a barrier to entry, it's a barrier to use. myth is hard to install, that's reasonable, but people should thing "myth is so totally worth it i'm gonna get it working"

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justinh:

and if they don't, it's their fault not mine :P

[22:09:25]

jams:

can't decided if i want to do the remote thing first or work on automated diskless frontend setup

[22:09:26]

justinh:

look – I tried other apps on windows before resorting to mythtv. believe me, easy to install/configure does not mean it's easy to use or indeed that it _will_ even work

[22:10:02]

mindframe-:

justinh, what windows apps did you try?

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justinh:

gbpvr – PoS. mediaportal.. WHAT THE HELL? showshifter... dead in the water now

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jams:

of course i also need someone to figure out what's wrong with my mythweather install.

[22:10:24]

mindframe-:

i heard people say good things about mediaportal

[22:10:48]

justinh:

mindframe-: put your objective hat on and look beyond the eye candy. it's not all that

[22:10:58]

directhex:

justinh, i tried the lot. well, all those with free demos

[22:11:55]

justinh:

once I got my head aroung the mysql stuff it all seemed much easier to do mythtv than mediaportal

[22:12:25]

justinh:

apart from the 'linux' stuff, but you can be an 'expert' at windows and yet still spend days screaming & pulling your hair out

[22:13:17]

justinh:

install the driver, reboot. reboot, uninstall the driver, reinstall the driver. it works! close the app, open the app. broken. reboot. reinstall the driver. it works! go to bed. wake up, boot the machine. no worky. damn!

[22:13:28]

jams:

GreyFoxx- any suggestions on an xml parser?

[22:13:40]

justinh:

jams: XML::Parse ?

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iamlindoro_:

One thing I forsee being a potential problem is that any system you can run myth on now, you can more or less use all the same plugins, features, scripts, etc... If backend is implemented on Windows, then the wealth of scripts, user jobs, and general "know-how" accumulated by "us" becomes moot, and a lot needs to be reinvented on the windows side. Plus who knows how many plugins won't work on both...

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jams:

justinh- is that for c++/qt ? looks like perl

[22:14:21]

justinh:

jams: ah yeah it's stinky perl ;)

[22:14:49]

jams:

right i only curse at perl never code

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directhex:

pfft, c++/qt

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justinh:

anyway this tuner card of mine – took me 3 solid days of work to make it go in linux but when it did, no having to reboot, no locking up my system, etc. it just went & went and went

[22:15:08]

directhex:

port the lot to c#/gtk# i say!

[22:15:44]

justinh:

ah bugger. irrecord no worky

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directhex:

use Mono.Addins for handling plugins. it'll be rad!

[22:16:10]

BULLE:

directhex: yes, and we all have to use mono and buy novell linux, gr8!

[22:16:26]

directhex:

who's buying novell linux?

[22:17:08]

BULLE:

directhex: the mono chaps, with miguel de icaza in front, have publicly claimed they dont see any problems with implementing ms patented stuff in mono and silverlight, because novell has a deal with ms so as long as you are a novell customer, all is fine

[22:18:34]

directhex:

BULLE, the core software is covered by an EMCA spec, and "violations" can't be pursued under patent laws – much like javascript. avoid the patented non-spec parts like SWF, and there's no problem.

[22:19:22]

directhex:

there's plenty of more dangerous patent violations on most peoples' systems, which are not governed by EMCA submission rules. like fat32

[22:19:38]

** BULLE has no fat32 **

[22:19:56]

BULLE:

guess i just dislike microsoft bussines methods to much i dont want to support them by using C#

[22:20:20]

BULLE:

but does ecma realy require you to release all patents ? i thought it was just a rand agreement that had to be signed

[22:21:15]

directhex:

The ECMA process requires that all patents held by member companies that

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directhex:

are essential for implementing its standards are available under

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directhex:

"reasonable and non-discriminatory (RAND) terms" for the purpose of

[22:21:16]

directhex:

implementing those Standards. This is the normal condition used in all

[22:21:16]

directhex:

International Standards organizations, including both ECMA and ISO.

[22:21:16]

directhex:

But Microsoft (and our co-sponsors, Intel and Hewlett-Packard) went

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directhex:

further and have agreed that our patents essential to implementing C#

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directhex:

and CLI will be available on a "royalty-free and otherwise RAND" basis

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directhex:

for this purpose.

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directhex:

erk, stupid line wrap

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BULLE:

directhex: ye, RAND just means that they will licence it to everyone

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BULLE:

directhex: still means you have to spend dollars for the licence

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directhex:

http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_Licensing#Patents

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BULLE:

directhex: yes, so they basicly say that they might indeed hit patent issues and if so, try to move around the patented code, as smoothly as it can be done

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directhex:

the same way the rest of linux does already

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directhex:

this is only an issue because of demonisation of microsoft

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BULLE:

yes, i guess i just dont trust them when they scream that linux implements 275 of their patents, and they will sue, but refuse to tell what patents

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BULLE:

to me, it just seems nicer to pick java then, for example, comes under gpl, so all patent issues are solved, no worries, just use it

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BULLE:

but thats just me

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directhex:

microsoft is an enormous company. the let hand doesn't know what the right hand is up to

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directhex:

it's bette for them to encourage mono than to destroy it

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jhulst:

Hey guys, I'm having problems with streaming live tv, I'm getting prebuffering pauses and RingBuf errors, http://rafb.net/p/K9YGTF35.html. Any ideas? It was happening with .20.2, I upgraded to SVN and still have the same problem

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directhex:

jhatch, networked how?

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jhulst:

This is a seperate backend/frontend with a NAS, 100Mbit network, I don't see any network spikes, the NAS has plenty of bandwidth, and the TV is the only thing going

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directhex:

tested the connection using iperf?

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jhulst:

directhex: I haven't, in fact, I've never even heard of that tool

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directhex:

iperf -s on one machine

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BULLE:

directhex: i guess i cant see why i would pick C# over java, atleast not if my main target was cross platform compability

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directhex:

"iperf -c servername -d" on the other

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mindframe-:

directhex, what exactly does that do?

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directhex:

BULLE, technically, via mono, .net is more cross platform.

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directhex:

mindframe-, a bidirectional duplex bandwidth test

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BULLE:

directhex: perhaps technically, in practice i doubt it

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directhex:

BULLE, start with the assumption that gcj is largely trash (i've never had it run anything useful without crashing), and mono is not (which of course comes down to making sure your code isn't written stupidly, but that applies for all languages)

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BULLE:

directhex: no sane person on earth uses gcj

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BULLE:

directhex: not even insane ones use gcj

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jhulst:

directhex: 92.7 and 75.3

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directhex:

sun java runs on solaris sparc, solaris x86, solaris x86–64, windows x86, windows x86–64, linux x86, and linux x86–64

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directhex:

plus ibm java on linux ppc and aix ppc

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BULLE:

directhex: and freebsd and macosx and windows and hpux and and

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jhulst:

92.7 Mbits that is

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BULLE:

even though the macosx port is a bit rought right now from what i heard

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directhex:

very rough

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directhex:

and made by apple, not sun

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BULLE:

directhex: there is a port of the sun stuff now afaik

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BULLE:

directhex: as the sun jdk is released under the gpl

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BULLE:

aka icedtea

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BULLE:

if my memory servers me right

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BULLE:

and the apple java jdk, is just the sun jdk, ported to macosx by apple

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directhex:

BULLE, it's also old and largely unmaintained. see: java developers' reactions to the latest macos's java capabilities

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BULLE:

directhex: sure

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BULLE:

directhex: thats why they all cheer due to the port of the gpled sun code

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directhex:

BULLE, you're really emphasising the gpl thing

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BULLE:

directhex: yes

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BULLE:

directhex: as that avoids most of the patent problems

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directhex:

no, it doesn't

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directhex:

gpl2 has no patent provision

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BULLE:

directhex: in effect it has that, as it clearly states exactly what you can require, and nothing more

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BULLE:

directhex: it can be kind of circumvented, as per the deal between novell and microsoft

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jhulst:

directhex: that 92.7 Mbit, should be plenty, correct?

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directhex:

jhulst, yes

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BULLE:

that hole was probably ( as it has not been tested in court, and most likely never will ) closed in gpl3

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directhex:

there are business concerns and legal concerns

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directhex:

the "patent deal" was a business move. there was never any legal issue – novell's patent portfolio is at least as damaging to microsoft as the reverse, if not more. but many company CEOs believe whatever they're told, so if they're told "there are patent violations, you could get sued", they'll believe it. for novell, removing that question lead to a major increase in enterprise sales

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directhex:

want violations? try, i dunno, OOo? if microsoft wanted to rattle the sabre, there's a juicy target. but they don't – because they don't really care about the desktop. one department spreads FUD to try and stop enterprise deployments of LAMP, another is submitting gpl-compatible licenses to the OSI

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squish102:

does any1 know how well a dlink dsm-320 works as a media extender for mythtv?

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The_Rebel:

how about those powerline ethernet devices

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The_Rebel:

eh?

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The_Rebel:

im thinking about using the XE103

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The_Rebel:

rated at 85mbps

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directhex:

i hear such devices are fine

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The_Rebel:

how about streaming h264?

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The_Rebel:

would it be suffice?

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The_Rebel:

i guess it would work fine (assuming the bitrate is under 85mbps)

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The_Rebel:

correct?

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The_Rebel:

or does the bitrate not matter..

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iamlindoro_:

Bitrate does matter, but understand you will *never* get 85 Mbit out of those

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The_Rebel:

yeah i know

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, for any standard def application is should be fine

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iamlindoro_:

and most HD ones, too

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The_Rebel:

woohoo!

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The_Rebel:

thanks for the info iamlindoro

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iamlindoro_:

However, if you have particularly noisy lines, you may get nothing at all. I'd avoid power line networking like the plague if you had any alternative

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iamlindoro_:

but hey, you gotta do what you gotta do

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The_Rebel:

word

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Dibblah:

And be aware that _sometimes_ you can get interference between neighboring houses.

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The_Rebel:

son of a bitch@*$@$

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Dibblah:

Specifically, if your neighbor installs a powerline device (even X10), expect... Interesting consequences.

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iamlindoro_:

The_rebel, just to give context, the 1080p stuff I rip straight off Blu-ray and HD-DVD generally sits between 30–40 MBit...

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** The_Rebel punches a hole in the wall for CAT5 **

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iamlindoro_:

THAT'S the spirit

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iamlindoro_:

Nothing's quite as nice as a nicely terminated network jack in each room, anyway

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Dibblah:

Cat5 is small. Small hole. Fist sized needs filling afterwards :)

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Dibblah:

... Except pervasive wireless networking that actually works. <SIGH>.

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iamlindoro_:

Or just terminate into a nice plate :)

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Dibblah:

Roll on UWB radios :)

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iamlindoro_:

802.11n has actually worked pretty well for me and has never failed on me (I run in n-mode only with no backward comp) but I still prefer a nice gig-e connection if I can get it

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The_Rebel:

ty directhex

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jhulst:

So any ideas on what I should try for the buffering problem? Is there a way to increase the buffer size, would that help?

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jeffery:

mzb_d800, do you know why I get "Upscaled SD or Loop" for #10 schedules

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mzb:

don't know what you mean

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mzb:

oh, now I do

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mzb:

jeffery: I assume that means that it's either an HD version of the SD channel, or it's their "loop" promo ... basically test transmissions, not real programmes iow

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mzb:

sound about right?

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jeffery:

mzb, I think #10 started brocasting HD on a new channel since December 1st

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mzb:

perhaps shepherd guys have got a bit over-complicated with HD stations ... I do recall seeing a long thread re 7HD recently

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jeffery:

mzb, In the description it says: "This can be populated with programs by changing the shepherd settings"

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mzb:

ah

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mzb:

yes, I see

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jeffery:

so do I just reconfigure shepherd?

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mzb:

not sure

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mzb:

check the 7HD thread

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mzb:

I'm just reading it now

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mzb:

phrases like: OK, just had a thought about this (possibly what Robert was thinking and

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mzb:

I missed it). Could you process the HD channel such that you take the

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mzb:

full guide as it is after Paul's new patch and then: if the program is

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mzb:

listed in the SD guide AND not in the DBA HD guide, then it's removed

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mzb:

from the HD channel.

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jeffery:

ok

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mzb:

/unquote

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mzb:

seems that you could change it (not sure how yet) ... but now I know why it's changed

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jeffery:

hmm leave it for the week-end

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mzb:

found it

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mzb:

jeffery: http://openpaste.org/en/4175/

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jeffery:

ta

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mzb:

jeffery: with addendum: http://openpaste.org/en/4176/

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jeffery:

mzb, should I backup anything before doing this ?

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mzb:

jeffery: yes

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mzb:

btw: not sure about the addendum

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jeffery:

just database backup ?

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mzb:

OP said later: I don't think this will work because the overright is done after the command

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mzb:

line is parsed. Could be wrong though.

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mzb:

yes

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jeffery:

k

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mzb:

this is what I do: http://openpaste.org/en/4178/

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mzb:

oops .. password and all ;)

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jeffery:

awesome :)

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mzb:

jeffery: further quote: I'll change the default to this in a few days. If you don't do anything, you

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mzb:

stick with the current behaviour. The FAQ will need updating.

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mzb:

/unquote

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jeffery:

ok

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mindframe-:

wow 1080p video maxing out one of my cores

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directhex:

mpeg2?

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mindframe-:

x264

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directhex:

cpu?

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mindframe-:

6000+

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mindframe-:

its at one point in this video

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mindframe-:

it shows a lot of white and causes a pause

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directhex:

someone needs threaded decoding

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mindframe-:

so... im thinking i want to use multithreaded mplayer

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mindframe-:

can vlc do that? so far ive read that it cant

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directhex:

mplayer?

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directhex:

vlc?

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directhex:

this is a myth channel!

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mindframe-:

well im using myth

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mindframe-:

we have to play the videos with something right?

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directhex:

"the videos"?

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directhex:

myth has its own, internal player based on fmpeg

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directhex:

ffmpeg

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mindframe-:

i guess mythbuntu modified that... out of the box it's configured to use mplayer

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kdubya:

it uses mplayer for video playback

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kdubya:

not recording playback

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