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| [00:00:37] | justinh: | hmm if I didn't know any better I'd guess that the intel driver isn't setting the DAC outputs on the TV encoder correctly for svideo |
| [00:01:12] | justinh: | the driver code doesn't seem to set the output mode.. not sure it needs to though |
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| [00:03:30] | MavT: | does anybody know why /mythweb/data/cache/ would contain all zero-byte thumbnail files ? |
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| [00:07:50] | oobe: | i decided to use Record a show anytime the title is listed on this station. |
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| [00:08:15] | oobe: | that will work im hoping cause its not on in other time slots or repeated |
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| [00:13:53] | justinh: | wth tv encoder is this thing using then? the chipset isn't reckoned to have one built in |
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| [00:40:25] | Gumby: | anyone here use any dvb-s cards and something like expressvu or dishnet? Looking for a good card to use in this case |
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| [00:43:30] | antiPosix: | so in 2009 when the world is encrypted digital are we all left without our mythtv boxes? |
| [00:44:04] | directhex: | by "the world" you mean "yankland", right? |
| [00:44:15] | fryfrog: | and by "the world" you also mean "cable and sat"? |
| [00:44:18] | antiPosix: | directhex: I mean assland USA |
| [00:44:30] | directhex: | of course, the US world map contains only yankland and iraq, so maybe that's indeed the case |
| [00:44:41] | antiPosix: | by "the world" I mean assland USA Cable |
| [00:45:07] | directhex: | to which the answer is "legally, they have to provide you with a box which will output your channels unencrypted via firewire" |
| [00:45:12] | fryfrog: | well, you'll still be able to rent and control a cable box |
| [00:45:19] | justinh: | bah I'm still none the wiser here. I need a scope |
| [00:45:42] | directhex: | justinh, http://www.foolx.de/pics/blog/reviews/super_scope.jpg |
| [00:45:55] | antiPosix: | sorry for not clarifying that I assume "the world" is not a huge giant ass crack spiraling to a giant anus. I'm blocked in my media by CNN. sorry about that, I just assumed everyone calls it "the world" |
| [00:46:44] | directhex: | and people wonder why the world (the real world) considers america to be jingoist |
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| [00:47:17] | justinh: | directhex: got much better at work :) |
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| [00:47:27] | justinh: | tektronix video test gear etc |
| [00:47:34] | antiPosix: | directhex: we are all jingoist, we suck so hard its hard to beleive |
| [00:48:08] | justinh: | I wouldn't be surprised if the board is badly laid out causing the signals to get noisy |
| [00:48:30] | justinh: | nothing I can't fix :D |
| [00:48:42] | directhex: | justinh, NOTHING is better than the super scope! |
| [00:49:05] | directhex: | antiPosix, beat your cable provider with the law until they give you a cable box with activated firewire port |
| [00:49:07] | justinh: | hahaha just looked at the linky |
| [00:49:48] | antiPosix: | directhex: so firewire port connected to what on my Mythtv box |
| [00:49:56] | justinh: | firewire of course |
| [00:50:00] | antiPosix: | directhex: a tuner, or a firewire card |
| [00:50:20] | antiPosix: | so I dont need a tuner? |
| [00:50:26] | directhex: | antiPosix, indeed |
| [00:50:50] | directhex: | take the mpeg2 stream directly from the cable box |
| [00:50:53] | antiPosix: | what about mpeg2 compression |
| [00:51:08] | antiPosix: | wont that load up my CPU |
| [00:51:14] | justinh: | it arrives at the firewire port all compressed |
| [00:51:15] | directhex: | it's already mpeg2 |
| [00:51:23] | directhex: | digital, remember? |
| [00:51:25] | antiPosix: | wouldnt be grabbing from firewire be like framegrabbing |
| [00:51:37] | justinh: | hmm maybe the port is just being driven too hard |
| [00:51:43] | directhex: | more like saving a video to disk |
| [00:51:48] | directhex: | or even a file |
| [00:51:50] | justinh: | I should download a patch and get it built |
| [00:51:54] | directhex: | downloading from the web, there's a nice parallel |
| [00:52:43] | kdubya: | asdfghj |
| [00:52:50] | directhex: | what gets sent out via firewire is the mpeg2 stream for the channel. already wrapped up with a bow. save it, edit it, view it, whatever. no cpu load involved in capturing it |
| [00:52:54] | antiPosix: | I have an anaolog PVR-150 and my files are like 1000MB for 1 hour – quality is not a biggy for me, with this firewire thing, wont files be HUGE |
| [00:53:13] | kdubya: | they will be like 7 gb/hr |
| [00:53:29] | kdubya: | but you can transcode them to like a quarter of that |
| [00:53:36] | directhex: | kdubya, for SD? |
| [00:53:39] | kdubya: | for HD |
| [00:53:52] | directhex: | kdubya, where did you last see the words "HD" in the channel? |
| [00:54:05] | kdubya: | nice guy you are |
| [00:54:15] | antiPosix: | I can transcode 2 hours to be 800MB without much loss, according to me |
| [00:54:42] | directhex: | antiPosix, quality on US cable is poor. 1gb/hour is probably what it'd be for SD content, between 1 and 2 anyway. but it's the original digital stream, it'll look much better than anything you capture via an analog card |
| [00:55:45] | antiPosix: | directhex: are there digital tuners that work well with mythtv |
| [00:55:52] | kdubya: | good lord |
| [00:56:07] | antiPosix: | my pvr-150 was plug and play |
| [00:56:07] | directhex: | antiPosix, sure. but choice is geographically constrained |
| [00:56:28] | directhex: | antiPosix, in the end, encryption is the key issue |
| [00:56:29] | antiPosix: | I like analog |
| [00:57:09] | antiPosix: | will CSS be able to give a hex key to decrypt the stream or is it more complex than that |
| [00:57:23] | kdubya: | you cant decrypt it |
| [00:57:31] | antiPosix: | od help us |
| [00:57:38] | antiPosix: | Od |
| [00:57:54] | kdubya: | they did a good job of encrypting it apparently |
| [00:58:03] | directhex: | antiPosix, you have your legal get-out clause for encryption. and there's over-the-air terrestrial |
| [00:58:15] | antiPosix: | so post cable box is the only way |
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| [00:58:32] | kdubya: | except for the broadcast networks |
| [00:58:36] | kdubya: | those arnt encrypted |
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| [00:59:50] | antiPosix: | anyone packet sniff the latest TiVo 3 guide data, and provide an alternative like schedules direct |
| [00:59:52] | directhex: | antiPosix, it's all about geography. in some countries, you can buy everything you need to use mythtv directly with encrypted broadcasts, legally. in others, you get limited choice (e.g. you can use terrestrial but not cable or sat) |
| [01:00:54] | kdubya: | antiPosix, that would make no sense, tivo costs way more than schedules direct |
| [01:01:09] | directhex: | antiPosix, nobody here is going to condone stealing & redistributing tivo's data. |
| [01:01:31] | antiPosix: | I'm not talking about redisibuting TiVos data |
| [01:02:08] | antiPosix: | if someone knew how to "feed" Tivo with middleware. TiVo3 could use SchedulesDirect |
| [01:02:32] | antiPosix: | meaning someone would have to understand Tivo3's packets |
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| [01:02:40] | directhex: | this is a mythtv channel, not a tivo channel |
| [01:03:05] | antiPosix: | I'm just saying in the event that mythtv died |
| [01:03:20] | directhex: | why would it die? |
| [01:03:41] | antiPosix: | because of the broadcast flag or going digital with encryption |
| [01:04:03] | kdubya: | that has so little to do with mythtv |
| [01:04:14] | directhex: | and it's yet more jingoism |
| [01:04:25] | kdubya: | the hell is jingoism |
| [01:04:32] | antiPosix: | is there a mythtv compatible TV Tuner that supports the broadcast flag? |
| [01:05:00] | kdubya: | dude |
| [01:05:11] | directhex: | mythtv has users in more than one country. if big business in the US makes using myth impossible, well, bad luck, but that doesn't really matter to those elsewhere in the world |
| [01:05:20] | kdubya: | all tuner cards that work in linux ignore the broadcast flag |
| [01:05:31] | kdubya: | the broadcast flag is the least of the problems |
| [01:06:21] | Gumby: | I'm looking to get into using mythtv with a dvb-s card. Pretty much the only card I can buy locally is the Hauppauge Nova-s-plus. Is this a decent dvb-s card or is there something better I should look for? |
| [01:06:27] | antiPosix: | I'm in the market for something(PCI tuner or from tonight my firewire port) thay will last me 6 years |
| [01:06:49] | kdubya: | dude |
| [01:06:54] | kdubya: | you can get a card for like $30 |
| [01:06:55] | directhex: | Gumby, do you need a CI slot, or do you only want FTA? |
| [01:06:59] | antiPosix: | I keep reading that my PVR-150 will die next year |
| [01:07:00] | kdubya: | why would you expect that to work for 6 years |
| [01:07:12] | Gumby: | directhex: Im not even sure what CI is. Card Interface? |
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| [01:07:42] | directhex: | Gumby, Common Interface. for plugging in Conditional Access Modules, which can allow you to access paid subscriptions, in some geographical locations |
| [01:08:05] | Gumby: | directhex: well... yes and no :) |
| [01:08:59] | Gumby: | directhex: I currently have a CAM but its not actived. I'm currently using other fta boxes w/out "real" cams |
| [01:09:26] | Gumby: | directhex: so... I am unsure of the answer to your initial question :) I guess I want FTA but I also want more. |
| [01:09:56] | Gumby: | well, I know the answer, I just dont know the rules here and I assume the rules state that I shouldnt really say what I want :) |
| [01:10:25] | directhex: | Gumby, there's nothing inherently wrong with the nova-s plus, it just can't use a hardware CAM. myth doesn't support CAM emulation. |
| [01:10:44] | kdubya: | THIEF |
| [01:11:16] | Gumby: | directhex: ah, ok. thank you for that info then. |
| [01:11:44] | directhex: | Gumby, technotrend and twinhan are the popular choices for CI-enabled cards |
| [01:12:34] | Gumby: | ok, so as I understand it, from what you have told me, there isnt a way to use CAM emu with mythtv currently? |
| [01:14:13] | directhex: | myth will never support it, the subject is considered off-limits by the core developers. i'm not going to discuss unofficial patches or forks. i'm also going to go to bed, since it's gone 1am |
| [01:14:34] | Gumby: | ok :) thank you for your help |
| [01:14:46] | kdubya: | he so just told you that there were unofficial forks |
| [01:14:52] | Gumby: | kdubya: I get it :) |
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| [01:15:28] | Esotericisms: | evening |
| [01:15:36] | kdubya: | Hi. |
| [01:15:40] | Esotericisms: | I am trying to use MythArchive and burning straight to DVD |
| [01:15:46] | Esotericisms: | it is erroring on png2yuv |
| [01:16:14] | Esotericisms: | I did a google search, but there didn't seem to be a common thread on the problem |
| [01:16:17] | Esotericisms: | can anyone help? |
| [01:17:13] | MavT: | explain 'erroring' ? |
| [01:17:18] | FinnTux: | what was the error message? |
| [01:17:19] | Esotericisms: | failed out |
| [01:17:30] | FinnTux: | you have png2yuv installed? |
| [01:18:15] | Esotericisms: | yes, is there a better log then what is on screen? |
| [01:18:38] | Esotericisms: | ah shit, the version of mpeg2enc is broken |
| [01:18:48] | Esotericisms: | I need to download new version apparently |
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| [02:07:26] | Saviq: | ok let me try once again |
| [02:07:51] | Saviq: | where can I find a complete list of xmltv format's features that MythTV can take use of? |
| [02:08:34] | stiev3: | is there a way to detect if there's 5c encryption(flagging?) on a channel before it mythtv crashes? |
| [02:09:21] | Saviq: | like how should I define the age-rating, hd/sd, audio, maybe the <crew> tags? |
| [02:10:29] | xris: | stiev3: yeah.. you tell the channel scanner to ignore encrypted channels |
| [02:10:45] | BULLE: | Saviq: dunno, xmltv format changes now and then, best bet is to just check xmltv homepage i guess |
| [02:11:34] | Saviq: | BULLE: I know the xml format |
| [02:11:49] | BULLE: | Saviq: okies, check myth source then |
| [02:11:49] | Saviq: | I just want to know which features of it are at all used by mythtv |
| [02:12:00] | stiev3: | xris, I'm under the impression that the cable company can turn it on and off at will for specific programs, would that method allow me to record the channel if it's currently unencrypted? |
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| [02:12:20] | Saviq: | yeh that's what I thought would be the last thing I'll do.. |
| [02:12:30] | xris: | stiev3: I've only ever seen 5c always-on or always-ioff |
| [02:12:32] | Saviq: | thanks anyhoo |
| [02:12:47] | xris: | so no clue how to handle times when it's only on sometimes |
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| [02:34:12] | lightning: | if mythtv is recording something in the backend and i select watch tv, it complains and wont let me watch whatever is recording at it's current point. it makes me go into the recording area. is there a setting to change this? |
| [02:34:45] | Saviq: | yes, get SVN |
| [02:35:07] | Saviq: | afaik it's fixed there |
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| [03:44:08] | oobe: | lightning, you still around? you can watch what its recording in media library/watch recordings anything currently recording will be highlighted green |
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| [03:45:48] | dizoc2: | Anyone know why mythcommflag appears to be the shit out of my mysql server :( |
| [03:46:25] | oobe: | what do you mean |
| [03:46:41] | oobe: | crashing mysql? |
| [03:46:50] | oobe: | ruining tables |
| [03:46:51] | dizoc2: | no, not crashing.. just making it very busy |
| [03:47:02] | dizoc2: | my mysql database is on a slow RAID-1 partition |
| [03:47:26] | dizoc2: | which is a separate device from mythtv recordings volume |
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| [03:47:40] | oobe: | how do u know its crashing sql |
| [03:47:45] | dizoc2: | when mythcommflag is running, iostat -dmx 1 indicates that my raid 1 volume is being up to 97% I/O utilization |
| [03:47:56] | oobe: | mythcommflag is pretty resource intensive |
| [03:48:00] | dizoc2: | its NOT CRASHING mysql... its just making it very busy. |
| [03:48:13] | dizoc2: | yes, I understand its resource intensive |
| [03:48:16] | oobe: | what fs are u using on ur raid? |
| [03:48:22] | dizoc2: | but I dont know why it kicks mysql's ass |
| [03:48:25] | dizoc2: | ext3 |
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| [03:49:06] | oobe: | i dont see why it needs to access that the db with lots of HD activity either |
| [03:49:28] | oobe: | perhaps you could move the db to root |
| [03:49:36] | oobe: | its not that big |
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| [03:50:10] | oobe: | apperently the biggest sql db for myth are aronu 1gb |
| [03:50:47] | dizoc2: | maybe, but I have other databases too |
| [03:50:52] | dizoc2: | mythconverg being by far the most busy |
| [03:51:08] | dizoc2: | just seems odd to me that mythcommflag would cause so many transactions |
| [03:51:20] | kdubya: | does it work? |
| [03:51:23] | oobe: | yeah i really dont know |
| [03:51:23] | dizoc2: | my root partition and /home/databases are on the same RAID-1 volume.. so.. moving it to root wont help |
| [03:51:30] | dizoc2: | I'd have to consider moving it to my RAID-0 :( |
| [03:51:34] | kdubya: | sounds like it would be marking a shitload of commericals if it is doing that |
| [03:51:44] | dizoc2: | yeah it works perfectly... skips work great |
| [03:51:49] | kdubya: | neat |
| [03:51:51] | dizoc2: | this server is pretty fast too... |
| [03:52:07] | dizoc2: | Conroe clocked @ 3.2ghz |
| [03:52:09] | dizoc2: | 4gig |
| [03:52:29] | dizoc2: | but.. I keep getting IOBOUND complaints in /var/log/mythtv |
| [03:52:34] | dizoc2: | pretty sure mythcommflag is the culprit |
| [03:52:40] | dizoc2: | but only because its kicking mysql's ass |
| [03:52:50] | dizoc2: | the recordings volume isnt very heavy utilized |
| [03:53:45] | oobe: | perhaps you may get better help in general linux chat aswell since there are people with broader knowledge around |
| [03:54:11] | oobe: | im not telling you to leave at all sounds like a fs raid sql prob |
| [03:54:30] | dizoc2: | I'm fairly experienced in linux subsystems and kernel stuff myself.. |
| [03:54:40] | oobe: | changing fs is somthing that might help but its a bit late for that |
| [03:54:50] | dizoc2: | Thought I'd ask you guys if you were aware of some kinda option or flag that would cause mythcommflag to not beatup the SQL backend so much. |
| [03:55:09] | dizoc2: | yea.. I might try jfs or xfs or something one of these days |
| [03:55:19] | oobe: | yea |
| [03:55:52] | oobe: | xfs is great for larger files with rapid read writes i was thinking it might help |
| [03:56:09] | oobe: | but its not suggested for DB's |
| [03:57:32] | kdubya: | if the commflag process is all over the database that does sounds like a myth issue... |
| [03:57:39] | kdubya: | not that i would have any idea why it would do that |
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| [03:58:07] | dizoc2: | I was just wondering why my RAID-1 volume was getting pegged with I/O |
| [03:58:22] | dizoc2: | mysql is mostly the only thing that runs there |
| [03:58:36] | dizoc2: | I wonder if my mythconverg database might need optimized or 'cleaned' somehow |
| [03:58:41] | dizoc2: | its pretty old :) |
| [03:58:52] | xris: | that's why I wrote optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [03:59:06] | dizoc2: | recordseek table being the biggest |
| [03:59:16] | dizoc2: | whats it do ? |
| [03:59:46] | oobe: | i have optimize_mythdb.pl in cron.daily |
| [03:59:56] | oobe: | you wrote that xris |
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| [04:00:31] | dizoc2: | where can I get it at? :) |
| [04:00:36] | ** dizoc2 asks google ** | |
| [04:00:43] | kdubya: | in your contrib directory |
| [04:00:45] | kdubya: | you already have it |
| [04:00:45] | oobe: | its in contrib |
| [04:00:50] | dizoc2: | oh. |
| [04:00:51] | dizoc2: | heh |
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| [04:01:16] | dizoc2: | hmm |
| [04:01:20] | dizoc2: | I dont appear to have it |
| [04:01:25] | kdubya: | lies |
| [04:01:30] | kdubya: | how did you install myth? |
| [04:01:39] | xris: | dizoc2: some packages put contrib into the docs directory |
| [04:01:39] | kdubya: | packages or svn |
| [04:01:46] | dizoc2: | I use atrpms mythtv packages.. Fedora 8 |
| [04:01:49] | dizoc2: | I'm probably missin' a package |
| [04:02:22] | oobe: | nah its part of main |
| [04:02:30] | oobe: | u tried locate |
| [04:02:35] | oobe: | locate optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [04:03:26] | dizoc2: | Ahh.. |
| [04:03:32] | dizoc2: | I disable locate. I hate that damn thing. |
| [04:03:40] | dizoc2: | anyway. its in mythtv-docs RPM |
| [04:03:40] | kdubya: | pff |
| [04:03:44] | dizoc2: | getting it now. |
| [04:04:41] | dizoc2: | oh, this script just runs repair & optimize |
| [04:04:48] | dizoc2: | I do that with my own script |
| [04:04:50] | dizoc2: | heh.... |
| [04:04:51] | dizoc2: | :( |
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| [04:08:41] | dizoc2: | well thanks for your suggestions guys. |
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| [04:46:50] | kdubya: | ok |
| [04:46:55] | kdubya: | going on like two days now |
| [04:47:07] | kdubya: | i cannot get my damn frontend to start |
| [04:47:18] | RyeBrye: | whats the problem? |
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| [04:47:29] | kdubya: | segfaults right after 'Registering internal as media playback plugin" |
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| [04:47:54] | RyeBrye: | strange |
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| [04:48:33] | kdubya: | it goes through the prescaling images thing and crashes right after that |
| [04:50:04] | RyeBrye: | you can try setting different command-line flags to see if it is a setting that is causing it |
| [04:50:29] | kdubya: | any specific one i should try/ |
| [04:50:34] | RyeBrye: | I don't have the list, but there is a bunch of things oyu cuold set – like gui size or tell it to use QT instead of OpenGL, or tell it to use GANT for the theme... etc. |
| [04:50:45] | kdubya: | k |
| [04:50:50] | RyeBrye: | I'd just try them all at once :) |
| [04:51:07] | RyeBrye: | It PROBABLY wont do anything, but it's at least a shot to see if it is a setting |
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| [04:58:17] | kdubya: | nothin there |
| [04:58:40] | kdubya: | tried running it windowed, different geometry, switch from qt to gl, and changed theme |
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| [05:23:56] | oobe: | i have a dream |
| [05:24:20] | oobe: | i think it would be cool if someone made an official mythtv remote instead of an mce remote with a myth logo and the most commonly used jump points labeled |
| [05:24:39] | mzb: | kdubya: use "-v all" ?? |
| [05:24:56] | kdubya: | mzb, yeah, nothin |
| [05:25:14] | kdubya: | going to have to compile with the debug crap on i guess |
| [05:25:43] | mzb: | specified a logfile, or are you running from a console? |
| [05:26:05] | kdubya: | running from a console |
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| [05:29:24] | kdubya: | mythtv: could not connect to socket |
| [05:29:24] | kdubya: | mythtv: No such file or directory |
| [05:29:31] | kdubya: | i guess that is not exactly nothing |
| [05:32:46] | RyeBrye: | strange |
| [05:33:13] | RyeBrye: | try running it as root too |
| [05:33:42] | RyeBrye: | do you have selinux turned on? |
| [05:34:30] | kdubya: | i think i do, which yeah is completely unnecessary |
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| [05:34:56] | tcpsyn: | storage groups are awesome |
| [05:35:43] | RyeBrye: | yes, they definitely do |
| [05:35:55] | kdubya: | no go as root |
| [05:36:18] | RyeBrye: | Ok. I'm guessing SELinux probably isn't causing it if it was working last when you had it instaled, but you can always set it up for permissive mode |
| [05:36:21] | RyeBrye: | see if that does it |
| [05:38:52] | kdubya: | nah i already had it disabled |
| [05:42:11] | xris: | grumble... one of my cable boxes no longer responds properly |
| [05:43:30] | kdubya: | when i do mythfrontend -p |
| [05:43:39] | kdubya: | my backend does not show up in the list |
| [05:43:48] | Beirdo: | xris: activate it with a baseball bat lately? |
| [05:43:55] | xris: | might help... |
| [05:43:58] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:52:12] | tcpsyn: | this is interesting. |
| [05:52:18] | tcpsyn: | I'm getting lots of tearing on my hd content |
| [05:52:22] | tcpsyn: | so I check the myth output |
| [05:52:30] | tcpsyn: | and It's trying to use rtc for syncing |
| [05:52:40] | tcpsyn: | but getting hosed: |
| [05:52:42] | tcpsyn: | RTCVideoSync: Could not set RTC frequency, Permission denied. |
| [05:52:42] | tcpsyn: | RTCVideoSync: Could not set RTC frequency, Permission denied. |
| [05:53:12] | tcpsyn: | Previously I used opengl for vsync, but since I rebuilt this box, I haven't got that to work. |
| [05:53:37] | tcpsyn: | and it was kind of a pita anyway, since every time I restarted the machine, I had to start nvidia-settings and uncheck and recheck the sync to vblank box |
| [05:53:46] | tcpsyn: | anyone seen anything similar? |
| [05:54:26] | kdubya: | you can just use a startup script that does nvidia-settings -l |
| [05:54:40] | Beirdo: | well, bed. 2am. I suck :P) |
| [05:55:19] | tcpsyn: | kdubya, I spose that makes sense. |
| [05:55:39] | tcpsyn: | But since I rebuilt this box, even if I run nvidia settings, I can't get it to work. I think myth compiled without support |
| [05:55:53] | kdubya: | so compile it with the support |
| [05:55:54] | kdubya: | heh |
| [05:57:07] | tcpsyn: | well, it compiles with opengl vsync support |
| [05:57:11] | tcpsyn: | but not XvMC OpenGL sup. no |
| [05:57:21] | tcpsyn: | I'm sure I'm missing a dev package |
| [05:57:24] | tcpsyn: | know what it might be? |
| [05:57:58] | kdubya: | i cant get it to not say XvMC OpenGL sup. no |
| [05:58:10] | kdubya: | but you do not need that to turn on opengl vsync |
| [05:58:37] | tcpsyn: | cool. |
| [05:58:49] | tcpsyn: | alright. I had it all working fine, then I got slick and rebuilt the machine. |
| [05:59:01] | tcpsyn: | but, the extra space and storage groups make it worth it |
| [05:59:26] | kdubya: | heh |
| [05:59:34] | kdubya: | yeah my frontend hasnt run for 2 days |
| [05:59:44] | tcpsyn: | why |
| [05:59:55] | kdubya: | at this point i had forgotten why i was upgrading in the first place |
| [06:00:11] | kdubya: | just segfaults right after prescaling the images |
| [06:00:28] | tcpsyn: | no matter the theme? |
| [06:00:32] | kdubya: | yep |
| [06:01:28] | tcpsyn: | I assume you did a make clean and rebuild... right |
| [06:01:59] | kdubya: | make distclean |
| [06:02:00] | kdubya: | make |
| [06:02:03] | kdubya: | make install |
| [06:05:09] | tcpsyn: | anything in mythfrontend -v playback? |
| [06:05:18] | kdubya: | i dont get to playback |
| [06:05:42] | kdubya: | this is the only thing i get that is errorish |
| [06:05:44] | kdubya: | with -v all |
| [06:06:14] | kdubya: | mythtv: could not connect to socket |
| [06:06:17] | kdubya: | mythtv: No such file or directory |
| [06:06:40] | tcpsyn: | you using one box for the front/back? |
| [06:07:33] | kdubya: | yeah |
| [06:08:09] | tcpsyn: | are you using gutsy? |
| [06:09:08] | kdubya: | nah fedora 8 |
| [06:09:30] | kdubya: | its compiling again now with everything unnecessary turned off |
| [06:14:24] | tcpsyn: | did you rebuild the box |
| [06:14:26] | tcpsyn: | or just mythtv |
| [06:14:30] | tcpsyn: | ~/.myth/mysql.txt |
| [06:14:39] | tcpsyn: | resolved it for someone |
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| [06:16:07] | kdubya: | good god |
| [06:16:16] | kdubya: | nah i just rebuilt myth one day |
| [06:16:47] | tcpsyn: | those two messages seem common. |
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| [06:17:36] | kdubya: | yeah |
| [06:17:49] | kdubya: | im going to bed |
| [06:17:53] | kdubya: | thanks for your help |
| [06:19:06] | tcpsyn: | night |
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| [06:34:46] | jhulst: | I'm having problems with a new installation and video stuttering, logs show prebuffer and RingBuf, http://rafb.net/p/2xm1sT81.html Any ideas? |
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| [07:07:22] | cesman: | to all interested party, mysettopbox.tv has been moved. You can access the site at knoppmyth.net. |
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| [07:14:17] | jeffery: | all my upcoming recordings have disappeared from the list.. does nayone know why |
| [07:15:44] | jeffery: | ahh oops started mythbackend with the wrong user .. |
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| [08:25:35] | ARfdee: | hi friends |
| [08:25:37] | ARfdee: | help please |
| [08:25:41] | ARfdee: | my remote mythtvfrontend cannot connect to my mythtvbackend master service |
| [08:25:42] | ARfdee: | server |
| [08:25:47] | ARfdee: | even though it can ping it fine as 192.168.2.150 |
| [08:25:57] | ARfdee: | mythtv times out on first attempt |
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| [08:26:51] | ARfdee: | on both client and server, i have to put master backend ip address as 192.168.2.150, right? |
| [08:26:57] | ARfdee: | (the IP of the master backend) |
| [08:27:06] | ARfdee: | and do i leave "this machine's IP" as 127.0.0.1? |
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| [08:40:20] | ARfdee: | Connection timed out. |
| [08:40:25] | ARfdee: | 007-12–05 02:23:54.547 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.2.150:6543 |
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| [08:50:55] | otwin: | ARfdee: in your case, you shouldn't have 127.0.0.1 anywhere |
| [08:51:06] | ARfdee: | got it |
| [08:51:11] | ARfdee: | otwin: or not quite |
| [08:51:14] | ARfdee: | otwin: i shouldn't? |
| [08:51:39] | otwin: | no, use the backend ip |
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| [08:52:53] | ARfdee: | i did |
| [08:52:56] | ARfdee: | for the master |
| [08:53:11] | ARfdee: | i mean on the backend, i had 127.0.0.1 and 192.168.2.150 for master |
| [08:53:13] | ARfdee: | and the same for laptop |
| [08:55:00] | mzb: | ARfdee: it needs to be the *public* address (not the loopback) |
| [08:55:17] | ARfdee: | mzb: for both? |
| [08:55:22] | mzb: | yes |
| [08:55:24] | ARfdee: | k |
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| [08:58:10] | ARfdee: | mzb: i did that, but now i am having this problem on the client |
| [08:58:15] | ARfdee: | ERROR 1130 (00000): Host 'laptop' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server |
| [08:58:27] | mzb: | google? |
| [08:58:35] | mzb: | it means what it says |
| [08:58:36] | ARfdee: | mzb: i added grant for that host |
| [08:58:45] | ARfdee: | and restarted mysqld on the backend |
| [08:58:48] | ARfdee: | but same problem |
| [08:59:16] | ARfdee: | i made gave host laptop permission to select, etc on mythconverg db |
| [08:59:17] | mzb: | check all the mysql.txt files you can find to see if they have the right password |
| [08:59:25] | ARfdee: | oh, i am just using mythtv mythtv |
| [08:59:31] | mzb: | needs more than select |
| [08:59:39] | ARfdee: | select, insert, update, delete |
| [08:59:43] | ARfdee: | execute |
| [08:59:50] | ARfdee: | mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg -h 192.168.2.150 |
| [08:59:52] | ARfdee: | i am just running that |
| [08:59:52] | mzb: | run frontend with "-v database" |
| [09:00:42] | mzb: | well, your permissions aren't right on the sql server |
| [09:01:24] | mzb: | did you flush privileges after adding the grant? I suggest you do a bit of googling ... I have non-computer things to attend to |
| [09:01:38] | mzb: | good luck |
| [09:01:40] | ARfdee: | thx |
| [09:03:32] | otwin: | ARfdee: did you read the 'modify access to mysql...' section of the docs? http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| [09:03:43] | ARfdee: | telnet 192.168.2.150 3306 |
| [09:03:46] | ARfdee: | ?Host 'laptop' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL serverConnection closed by foreign host. |
| [09:04:48] | otwin: | also, check your /etc/mysql/my.cnf like the doc says |
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| [09:21:09] | Tanthrix: | ARfdee: Mysql can be a nightmare for newbies, but stick with it and you'll get it. I remember spending a ton of time years back when I first got into myth. ;) |
| [09:21:54] | ARfdee: | Tanthrix: i'm not a newbie:) |
| [09:22:03] | ARfdee: | i program in mysql sometimes, but it's been a while since i've messed with it |
| [09:22:12] | ARfdee: | unfortunately it seems i messed up the perms for user mythtv |
| [09:22:16] | ARfdee: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [09:22:19] | Tanthrix: | ARfdee: My apologies then, no offense meant. |
| [09:22:32] | ARfdee: | perhaps i should stop using webmin, but i forgot my root pw for mysql:) |
| [09:23:02] | Tanthrix: | My big problem IIRC was that Mandrake was running mysql in safe mode, so no matter what I did in the settings it would not accept connections from the outside. |
| [09:23:21] | ARfdee: | Tanthrix: oh i fixed that, i just messed up mythtv user in the process |
| [09:23:36] | Tanthrix: | I've done that too! heh |
| [09:24:05] | ARfdee: | i think i got it |
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| [09:28:15] | ARfdee: | Tanthrix: you there? |
| [09:28:17] | ARfdee: | i fixed the mysql problem |
| [09:28:26] | Tanthrix: | What was the issue? |
| [09:28:33] | ARfdee: | some perm thing and restarting mysqld |
| [09:28:56] | ARfdee: | http://pastebin.ca/806476 |
| [09:28:58] | ARfdee: | that's my problem now |
| [09:29:11] | ARfdee: | mythtv works from mythbackend machine, but i am trying it from a remote machine |
| [09:29:15] | ARfdee: | # |
| [09:29:15] | ARfdee: | 2007-12–05 03:26:36.724 Event socket closed. No connection to the |
| [09:29:15] | ARfdee: | # |
| [09:29:15] | ARfdee: | backend. |
| [09:29:21] | ARfdee: | did i need to open up another port? |
| [09:29:30] | ARfdee: | i opened up 6543 |
| [09:29:32] | Tanthrix: | You've got me. |
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| [09:30:09] | Tanthrix: | Try doing 6544 as well. |
| [09:30:37] | ARfdee: | woops |
| [09:30:38] | ARfdee: | haha |
| [09:32:24] | ARfdee: | wow, woops |
| [09:33:37] | Tanthrix: | Working now? |
| [09:33:50] | ARfdee: | how do you flush in mysql again? |
| [09:35:30] | Tanthrix: | flush privileges; ? |
| [09:35:58] | ARfdee: | i am really confused |
| [09:36:04] | ARfdee: | i just had the perms working and now |
| [09:36:08] | ARfdee: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [09:36:29] | ARfdee: | oh wait |
| [09:36:33] | ARfdee: | it works remotely but not from localhost |
| [09:37:16] | ARfdee: | Tanthrix: why would it not work from localhost? |
| [09:37:27] | otwin: | you need to allow access explicitely from localhost |
| [09:37:47] | Tanthrix: | What he said. |
| [09:38:24] | ARfdee: | otwin: that's what i thought, but if i only want one user named mythtv and i want allowed from localhost and another host... |
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| [09:39:26] | ARfdee: | otwin: i don't want two users named mythtv, i am sure |
| [09:40:02] | otwin: | ARfdee: you don't need 2 users, just add a privilege for mythtv to connect from localhost |
| [09:40:07] | Tanthrix: | ARfdee: Just do the bottom chunk on that page: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html |
| [09:40:21] | ARfdee: | otwin: sorry, im having to navigate through webmin because i forgot root pw for mysql |
| [09:40:34] | ARfdee: | if i can get a simple sql statement, i can do it |
| [09:40:45] | Tanthrix: | How exactly would webmin be able to get into mysql without the root password? |
| [09:41:08] | ARfdee: | grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv"; |
| [09:41:13] | otwin: | mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"localhost" identified by "mythtv"; |
| [09:41:13] | ARfdee: | Tanthrix: it saved it long ago |
| [09:41:14] | ARfdee: | :) |
| [09:41:42] | otwin: | wildcard doesn't always work for me, IIRC |
| [09:41:42] | Tanthrix: | It's probably in some webmin conf file somewhere then, most likely in the clear. |
| [09:41:45] | ARfdee: | that did it, thx |
| [09:42:05] | Tanthrix: | ARfdee: All of which is in the damn docs. And you told me you're not a newbie. ;) |
| [09:42:34] | otwin: | 10:03 otwin ARfdee: did you read the 'modify access to mysql...' section of the docs? http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| [09:42:37] | otwin: | ;-) |
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| [09:43:20] | otwin: | lol |
| [09:43:23] | Tanthrix: | heh |
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| [09:44:06] | Arfdee: | sorry:) |
| [09:44:08] | Arfdee: | almost done |
| [09:45:27] | Arfdee: | yay! |
| [09:45:29] | Arfdee: | i got it working:) |
| [09:45:31] | Arfdee: | k, thx bye! |
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| [09:48:09] | Arfdee: | ok i got it working from wireless connection |
| [09:48:18] | Arfdee: | 1. it seems to resize my entire resolution even after i quit |
| [09:48:29] | Arfdee: | 2. it seems choppy, but this is a 54mb/s connection? |
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| [09:51:15] | Tanthrix: | 1. That sentence doesn't really make any sense |
| [09:51:18] | Tanthrix: | Damn! |
| [09:53:52] | directhex|bsp: | Tanthrix, compensation culture. now he's gonna go bitch to his friends about how mythtv support sucks, because nobody answered him within 3 minutes |
| [09:55:46] | Tanthrix: | directhex|bsp: Meh. Perhaps. |
| [09:57:47] | Tanthrix: | Are you (or anyone else around here) better for seeing a few users that do that, then painting all of them with the same brush? It's the same thing, from the other side. |
| [09:58:51] | Tanthrix: | Some users bitch and moan when we don't service them personally, then a lot of regulars bitch and moan about how all the users are self-entitled jerks. It's the circle of crankiness ;) |
| [10:01:33] | otwin: | i wonder what percentage of users happily uses mythtv without ever posting to the ML or asking in here... |
| [10:02:39] | Tanthrix: | Quite a few, I'd suspect. But that's now how the human brain works. What really happens is we remember every single jerk who has ever come in here, than hold each newbie who walks in hear accountable for previous actions. |
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| [10:03:28] | Tanthrix: | Which makes people certain people who will go unnamed fly off the handle at even the slightest display of anything that even resembles self-entitledment. |
| [10:04:23] | otwin: | heh, very true |
| [10:04:27] | Tanthrix: | Which, for some, includes asking any question that's ever been asked before, even if the only answer is written on a piece of paper inside of a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory down in a cellar with a sign out front that says "Beware of the leapard" |
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| [10:05:23] | Tanthrix: | My apologies to Douglas Adams for butchering his fine work. |
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| [11:07:25] | sebrock: | Which media player is to prefee? It seems I get a awefull scratching sound using the internal player on movie files |
| [11:07:34] | sebrock: | using AC3 pass |
| [11:11:08] | ** justinh will mostly be scoping out the intel tv out today ** | |
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| [11:17:47] | sebrock: | and DVD does not seem to work out of the box... |
| [11:18:41] | directhex|bsp: | that's a legal issue |
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| [11:19:04] | directhex|bsp: | install libdvdcss2, and get a shotgun ready for when the mpaa come to put you in jail |
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| [11:28:49] | Floppe: | sebrock: I use xine and it works great with AC3 when using the latest alsa drivers. the older driver distorted really ugly on AC3 (Intel HD) |
| [11:29:44] | sebrock: | Floppe: thats what I have, also using Intel HD |
| [11:29:52] | sebrock: | xine you say, how about mplayer? |
| [11:30:18] | Floppe: | I did get it to work with mplayer, but not the dvd root menu |
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| [11:31:03] | Floppe: | so TV series like friens and sex on the city didn't run with mplayer |
| [11:31:06] | Floppe: | friends* |
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| [11:32:03] | sebrock: | Floppe, so xine could be the savior for both my problems then... |
| [11:32:17] | sebrock: | because DVD just locks Myth |
| [11:32:23] | sebrock: | and AC3 is distorted |
| [11:32:23] | Floppe: | maybe.. my AC3 problem was with the alsa driver |
| [11:32:30] | sebrock: | ok |
| [11:33:09] | Floppe: | in kernel 2.6.22.. will try 2.6.23 tonight |
| [11:33:23] | sebrock: | another strange thing is that sometimes I can hear the harddrive scattering through the speakers. But as soon as I played any sound this is gone |
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| [12:02:21] | Hoxzer: | Is it possible to play internet radio with mythmusic ? |
| [12:04:56] | DustyBin: | not officially no but you can use a non-offical plugin called mythstream |
| [12:05:20] | justinh: | Hoxzer: yes, with a patch from Eskil |
| [12:05:37] | Hoxzer: | DustyBin: mythstream doesn't compile anymore with mythtv-multirec |
| [12:05:55] | Hoxzer: | justinh: Ok, I'll check that out |
| [12:06:11] | DustyBin: | mythstream wasnt well coded anyway, it leaks memory and causes lots of problems |
| [12:06:23] | justinh: | hence it being unofficial ;) |
| [12:06:50] | DustyBin: | i used to have it running but it made my frontend crash all the time |
| [12:07:18] | DustyBin: | for streaming radio i just quit the front end and use something else |
| [12:08:54] | justinh: | in other news, I think I'll be asking for a canoe for christmas this year |
| [12:09:09] | DustyBin: | o_0 |
| [12:09:32] | justinh: | I fancy getting away from it all for a while |
| [12:09:48] | DustyBin: | then come back in 5 years when myth .30 has been released :D |
| [12:09:58] | justinh: | 0.21 you say? |
| [12:10:01] | DustyBin: | :D |
| [12:10:18] | DustyBin: | myth .20.2 fixes is pretty dam solid |
| [12:10:22] | justinh: | ah yes but on;y if it's ready |
| [12:10:43] | DustyBin: | the only plugin ive installed is the dvd/cd plugin |
| [12:10:57] | DustyBin: | its working lovely |
| [12:11:50] | DustyBin: | Mr & Mrs Smith 32 – Film4 Wed Dec 5, 2007 (09:00 PM) |
| [12:11:55] | DustyBin: | might be worth recording |
| [12:12:04] | justinh: | it isn't |
| [12:12:15] | DustyBin: | The 40-Year-Old Virgin 3 – ITV1 Wed Dec 5, 2007 (11:15 PM) |
| [12:12:39] | justinh: | we can tell you don't subscribe to lovefilm.com :P |
| [12:12:54] | DustyBin: | lol |
| [12:13:07] | ** justinh goes off to play with video scopes ** | |
| [12:13:19] | DustyBin: | The Real Hustle 7 – BBC THREE Sat Dec 8, 2007 (07:00 PM) <-- these are excellent |
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| [12:23:01] | Dibblah: | DustyBin: I may not be speaking for everyone when I say 'we don't really care' ;) |
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| [12:29:32] | jtmoney: | i'm torn between xp/mediaportal and ubuntu/myth on my media center box. as far as my hauppauge 150 goes, it looks much better under windows than it does in linux. anyone know as to why? mediocre linux drivers? |
| [12:30:07] | tank-man: | look better? how are you comparing? with same bitrate/resolution? |
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| [12:33:15] | xand: | mythtv pwnz |
| [12:35:08] | jtmoney: | hmm, are there video quality settings for the 150? |
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| [12:42:33] | sebrock: | my syslog gets flooded by this message: Dec 5 13:31:55 frontend modprobe: WARNING: Error running install command for nvidia |
| [12:42:53] | sebrock: | now I have a GMA3100 with Intel-drivers...on a G33 chipset mobo. Why is this showing? |
| [12:44:12] | jtmoney: | does anyone know if mythtv allows you to adjust quality settings for the hauppauge 150? it uses the ivtv driver |
| [12:44:50] | tank-man: | jtmoney, by quality if you mean the resolution and bitrate, yes |
| [12:46:06] | jtmoney: | tank-man: where in the program do i adjust that? |
| [12:46:23] | tank-man: | in recording profiles |
| [12:48:28] | jtmoney: | thanks |
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| [12:52:01] | justinh: | totally OT, but is there a quick & dirty way of 'poking' memory addresses, e.g. for fiddling with registers n stuff? |
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| [12:59:10] | justinh: | bollocks. can't build the driver myself to change the values |
| [12:59:13] | Hoxzer: | |
| [12:59:31] | justinh: | autogen is severly borked |
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| [13:23:09] | justinh: | oh bugger. built the driver ok but... |
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| [13:32:48] | justinh: | I fink I broked X |
| [13:36:26] | ** Hoxzer is sad because seems like mythplugins wont compile with eskil's radio patch :(( ** | |
| [13:39:19] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: See the patch on -dev for running mythfrontend under windows ? :) |
| [13:39:34] | GreyFoxx: | apparently works for mtyhvideo and ISO dvd playback too :) |
| [13:39:49] | directhex|bsp: | GreyFoxx, i failed to compile MFE on windows last time i tried |
| [13:40:30] | GreyFoxx: | An apparent working patch was posted yesterday , along with a zip file with the current compiled binaries |
| [13:40:46] | ** GreyFoxx is downloading it now ** | |
| [13:43:21] | directhex|bsp: | ooh, trunk-only one presumes? |
| [13:44:24] | ali1234: | justinh: there's a dev device for peek & poke, /dev/mem i think |
| [13:44:55] | justinh: | really? cool (about the poke thing, not the stinky windows thing) |
| [13:44:56] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|bsp: yup |
| [13:45:40] | directhex|bsp: | hm, would the wife mind the possible disruption of service moving to trunk would cause, in exchange for binning mythtv player? |
| [13:46:26] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [13:46:38] | GreyFoxx: | I'd certainly wait a bit to let it settle before going that router |
| [13:46:40] | GreyFoxx: | -r |
| [13:46:46] | GreyFoxx: | no idea how stable it is yet :) |
| [13:49:39] | GreyFoxx: | justing: yup. |
| [13:50:11] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: If it's of any help sinvce I know you are playing with Intel GPU registers here si some code from my msntv-on app that tweaks the VGA registers on the intel chip in msntv2 boxes |
| [13:50:14] | GreyFoxx: | http://pastebin.com/m514cdefe |
| [13:51:10] | GreyFoxx: | call InitMemMap() , then use setVGAReg, or setVGARegBit() to set registers or just specific bits |
| [13:51:15] | GreyFoxx: | when done call CloseMemMap() |
| [13:52:18] | GreyFoxx: | My msntv-dump app might be useful for you to. Dumps many of the common registers from that to the screen |
| [13:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | You might have to alter MMIOBaseAddr though. I don't actually remember where/how I came up with that for the location to find the registers :) |
| [13:55:34] | GreyFoxx: | actually I do, I got it from lspci for where the devices memory was mapped |
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| [14:00:20] | GreyFoxx: | And since I have the code open. Here is some of the defines I have for where I found various registers : http://pastebin.com/m298a301f |
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| [14:14:01] | Dabian: | Hi .. I'm searching the wiki for info on "PVR-500 MCE KIT" .. I wonder if it will work with MythTV. Esp. the USB-remote. |
| [14:15:06] | Dabian: | (Without success I may add) |
| [14:15:15] | Dabian: | Any thoughts or expiriences? |
| [14:16:48] | Dabian: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote#Support_Status |
| [14:16:57] | Dabian: | Guess this means it is supported. |
| [14:17:16] | Dabian: | (I hope so .. bought this card exclusively for use with mythtv). |
| [14:21:44] | Dabian: | OK .. going to reboot in order to install the card and a new (½ "terrabyte") HD :) |
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| [14:40:25] | justinh: | fixed it! |
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| [14:40:49] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: thanks but I've just been mangling the driver code directly |
| [14:41:07] | justinh: | the colour burst was slightly too late & too short |
| [14:41:40] | justinh: | no more flicker flicker on cheap TV :) |
| [14:42:23] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
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| [14:45:36] | justinh: | I've also made the colour burst active on a couple more lines – can't harm anything & will help nasty TVs get a lock sooner |
| [14:45:56] | justinh: | eep! just realised that I might be about to contribute to a driver! :-O |
| [14:46:39] | ali1234: | what driver are you hacking on, that actually gives you control over things like colour burst? |
| [14:46:46] | GreyFoxx: | justin hehe sweet |
| [14:46:49] | justinh: | the pro monitors here are great with the ordinary (unpatched driver) signal, but the el-cheapo 32" LCD just barfed |
| [14:47:11] | justinh: | ali1234: i830_tv.c |
| [14:47:47] | justinh: | and I now don't have to go & buy a pci-e riser & new VGA card :D |
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| [14:49:42] | justinh: | thing is though, in compiling & installing the driver I seem to have broken mythfrontend |
| [14:50:10] | justinh: | or something I installed to make compiling the driver possible.. |
| [14:53:00] | ali1234: | ah intel's open source driver? |
| [14:54:24] | ali1234: | i think my dell uses that driver... maybe i can hack the driver to finally do proper interlaced RGB |
| [14:55:42] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, that's part of the i810 code, or intel code? |
| [14:56:19] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: intel |
| [14:56:36] | justinh: | ali1234: interlaced support is allegedly coming |
| [14:56:51] | justinh: | I've totally screwed mythfrontend somehow |
| [14:56:56] | justinh: | it starts, but doesn't start |
| [14:58:17] | justinh: | gets as far as "2007-12–05 14:58:04.667 New DB connection, total: 1" |
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| [15:00:37] | justinh: | and that's with -v all |
| [15:00:40] | justinh: | like wth? |
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| [15:13:58] | Dibblah: | justinh: Check ps aux |
| [15:14:07] | Dibblah: | see if there's a zombie frontend. |
| [15:14:23] | justinh: | nope |
| [15:14:46] | Dibblah: | Tried disabling upnp? |
| [15:14:58] | justinh: | no backend here |
| [15:15:10] | justinh: | but that shouldn't be stopping the frontend at least trying to come up |
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| [15:15:22] | Dibblah: | Ah, right. |
| [15:15:27] | Dibblah: | The ping stuff. |
| [15:15:35] | Dibblah: | No, wait, this isn't SVN, is it? |
| [15:15:59] | justinh: | nope |
| [15:16:40] | justinh: | it's not even putting a single thing onscreen |
| [15:16:53] | justinh: | no "Wah! can't connect to database!" yada yada yada |
| [15:17:52] | Dibblah: | Funky. Why do you need it up? |
| [15:18:10] | Dibblah: | ie what's different with 'just being in X'? |
| [15:18:15] | justinh: | because it was worky before I messed with the xorg drievr & not it's broken |
| [15:18:18] | justinh: | *now |
| [15:18:33] | Dibblah: | Ollix? |
| [15:18:38] | justinh: | Ollix? |
| [15:18:40] | Dibblah: | Tried a reboot? ;) |
| [15:18:51] | justinh: | just occurred to be to try that |
| [15:18:52] | Dibblah: | With a powerdown in the middle. |
| [15:19:10] | Dibblah: | (Spot the ex – IVTV user) |
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| [15:20:27] | justinh: | no dice |
| [15:20:42] | justinh: | anyway even if it was a rogue mythfrontend process it should still try to do something damnit |
| [15:21:23] | directhex|bsp: | rebooted? |
| [15:21:27] | justinh: | even tried rebuilding the source again |
| [15:21:36] | justinh: | X just sits there |
| [15:21:55] | justinh: | hmm I wonder |
| [15:24:31] | Dibblah: | "Have you tried kicking it"? |
| [15:26:19] | Dibblah: | http://www.weakendproductions.co.uk/movs/jebsjobs.html |
| [15:26:24] | Dibblah: | Offtopic? yes. |
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| [15:28:16] | ** RyeBrye just wrote a very long, very simple BASH script to scroll the entire text of Moby Dick on his Dell 2950's 5-character front-panel LCD screen ** | |
| [15:28:29] | ** RyeBrye will sit here for 2.5 days to make sure it all works ** | |
| [15:29:13] | Dibblah: | RyeBrye: cat mobydick.txt >/dev/ttyS0 |
| [15:29:17] | Dibblah: | Much shorter :) |
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| [15:29:58] | RyeBrye: | Dibblah – it only takes 62 chars at a time... :) but would that work? |
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| [15:30:08] | Dibblah: | Sure. |
| [15:30:30] | Dibblah: | Of course, it depends on the connection of the LCD. |
| [15:30:50] | RyeBrye: | right |
| [15:30:58] | RyeBrye: | I'm setting it through omconfig – the cli util |
| [15:31:11] | RyeBrye: | omconfig chassis frontpanel lcdindex=1 config=custom text="foo" |
| [15:31:21] | RyeBrye: | I wonder if it does have a device mapped to it... that would certainly be easier |
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| [15:38:31] | justinh: | so nobody suggested removing ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt but that fixed it :) |
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| [15:48:12] | lexs: | would this be awesome for a mythtv computer: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?s=aa7 . . . mp;t=1233021 ? |
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| [15:49:49] | justinh: | heh why stop at fixing the chroma flicker? add 720x576 mode too! |
| [15:52:01] | DustyBin: | there is a way of linking zoneminder with x10, so if motion is detected on a camera, a light could be turned on |
| [15:53:11] | DustyBin: | do any of you guys use UPS on your myth box |
| [15:53:53] | GreyFoxx: | DustyBin: I have mine on a ups to survive brief power bumps |
| [15:54:01] | DustyBin: | aye ok |
| [15:54:24] | GreyFoxx: | havem't gotten around to setting it to auto shutdown if thebattery gets low yet |
| [15:54:31] | DustyBin: | the only thing whats missing in the linux x10 world is a web interface |
| [15:54:40] | DustyBin: | ok |
| [15:54:49] | Dibblah: | justinh: Interlaced is still the trick, though :( |
| [15:55:02] | Dibblah: | DustyBin: Misterhouse. |
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| [15:56:45] | djc__: | I need to have a script be able to run and detect when 1. No tuner is recording and 2. A recording is scheduled within the next 15 minutes. |
| [15:56:54] | djc__: | Or have thge script run when that condition is met |
| [15:56:58] | Dibblah: | djc__: mythshutdown |
| [15:57:15] | GreyFoxx: | Or grab and parse the http/xml status page |
| [15:57:18] | DustyBin: | Dibblah: ill take a look :D |
| [15:57:24] | djc__: | yeah, i had looked at that, but it didnt seem it would tell me that |
| [15:57:26] | Dibblah: | GreyFoxx: Don't do that. |
| [15:57:32] | DustyBin: | how about a myth x10 plugin, or would that make people far toooo lazy |
| [15:57:56] | GreyFoxx: | Dibblah: Why not? I use that all the time |
| [15:57:57] | Dibblah: | ... Not completely convinced that the thread / handle / ... leak that was present on the status page is fixed. |
| [15:57:59] | RyeBrye: | there's some cool x10 project that makes x10 devices exposed as /dev/ devices you can use pipe commands on |
| [15:58:27] | Dibblah: | Used to cause the BE to go unresponsive. |
| [15:58:33] | djc__: | GreyFoxx, basically, I want to shutdown and restart the BE a little while before it starts recording, about once a day or so |
| [15:58:54] | Hoxzer: | lexs: only one PCI slot is way too less |
| [15:58:55] | djc__: | GreyFoxx, did you notice my followup to your iptv fetchdata report? |
| [15:59:09] | GreyFoxx: | djc__: Nope |
| [15:59:21] | djc__: | basically, instead of locking up the BE entirely, it seems to lockup an individual tuner |
| [16:00:16] | DustyBin: | Dibblah: do you use misterhouse? |
| [16:00:36] | djc__: | fairly consistent for a couple weeks now.. after running for a while, recordings on a specific tuner(s) dont happen. selecting them in the library gives 'file not found' |
| [16:00:47] | janneg: | Dibblah: should be solved in trunk since a while |
| [16:00:50] | djc__: | it still _thinks_ it recording, but it doesnt |
| [16:01:04] | Dibblah: | DustyBin: Not yet. |
| [16:01:09] | Dibblah: | janneg: Nice! |
| [16:01:09] | GreyFoxx: | djc__: sounds like a little different than the symptons I was seeing |
| [16:01:15] | GreyFoxx: | but I haven't tested it in a while |
| [16:01:16] | DustyBin: | Dibblah: looks good |
| [16:01:30] | djc__: | GreyFoxx, this is with your patch.. without it i got the lockups just like you |
| [16:01:40] | GreyFoxx: | hmm ok |
| [16:01:40] | Dibblah: | Yeah. I'm actually looking at more-complex than out-of-box. |
| [16:01:53] | GreyFoxx: | I've never had any evidence it thought a tuner was still in use |
| [16:01:59] | GreyFoxx: | for that anyway |
| [16:02:00] | djc__: | patch fixed the lockups |
| [16:02:02] | Dibblah: | manyears feeding Sphynx-4,... |
| [16:02:08] | djc__: | well, it doesnt think its in use |
| [16:02:13] | djc__: | the tuner just doesnt work anymore.. |
| [16:02:19] | djc__: | if livetv grabs it, its unable to tune |
| [16:02:42] | DustyBin: | Dibblah: http://www.sgtwilko.f9.co.uk/bluelava/ |
| [16:02:44] | djc__: | if a recording uses it, it thinks it made the recording, but the file doesnt exist.. |
| [16:02:47] | Dibblah: | djc__: Digital / analog? |
| [16:02:48] | GreyFoxx: | at the rate I use to record it would exhaust the availabel iptv tuners quickly if I was running into that |
| [16:02:51] | djc__: | iptv |
| [16:02:55] | Dibblah: | Ah. |
| [16:03:13] | djc__: | well, it doesnt happen right away.. it takes a day or two |
| [16:03:23] | djc__: | and it continues to _think_ its recording successfully |
| [16:03:30] | lexs: | Hoxzer: i could agree on that one ;c |
| [16:03:47] | djc__: | but i go into the library, and any recordings that were from that tuner give 'file could not be found' |
| [16:04:24] | GreyFoxx: | janneg: any thoughts on another sync of trunk to -multirec? Or how far off you feel a multicrec merge back to trunk might be ?:) |
| [16:04:24] | djc__: | actually... hrm.. there is one other possibility |
| [16:04:45] | djc__: | is myth smart enough to recognize if there isnt enough space on the HD ? |
| [16:04:51] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [16:04:57] | djc__: | ok, then nevermind that |
| [16:04:59] | GreyFoxx: | and will auto expire stuff |
| [16:05:08] | Dibblah: | That shouldn't create blank recordings, though. |
| [16:05:18] | GreyFoxx: | it should be removing db entries too |
| [16:05:57] | Dibblah: | djc__: You need to collect the backend logs for a period when it didn't work right. |
| [16:06:05] | Dibblah: | -v record, channel |
| [16:06:07] | djc__: | nope, the entry is still there, it just doesnt have the file.. the tuner just stops working.. with livetv i would get the 'should have successfully locked by now, press c to change tuners ' or whatever |
| [16:06:14] | Dibblah: | I believe should be enough. |
| [16:06:44] | GreyFoxx: | djc__: If it's happenning consistantly then if you can get some logs of it that would be good |
| [16:06:52] | djc__: | alrighty. |
| [16:06:56] | GreyFoxx: | cause we'd want that cleaned up before 0.21 |
| [16:06:58] | djc__: | lemme see what logging I have now |
| [16:07:26] | djc__: | note that this is with both my patch at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3873 and with your patch at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3489#comment:6 |
| [16:07:41] | djc__: | starting with a svn co from.. like 3 weeks ago |
| [16:08:52] | djc__: | ok.. ive adjusted the logging.. |
| [16:09:01] | janneg: | GreyFoxx: daniel merged yesterday, and gnome42, Daniel, Bruce and David are reviewing and fixing the scheduler changes |
| [16:09:19] | djc__: | once i get some info i'll be back.. |
| [16:09:28] | janneg: | after finishing that it would be merged to trunk |
| [16:09:34] | djc__: | note that I dont necesarrily know exactly when the problem starts.. |
| [16:09:58] | djc__: | just, a bunch of recordings suddenly are empty, and I know it quit working at some point prior.. |
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| [16:11:28] | GreyFoxx: | janneg: oh? He synced trunk to multirec? I musta missed that |
| [16:11:46] | GreyFoxx: | oh never mind, I understand now |
| [16:11:48] | GreyFoxx: | cool |
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| [16:19:50] | monkeyBox: | Hi all. I just moved into a new house (rented) and we just got our cable hooked up (internet & basic cable). I use QAM to get my free-and-clear digital channels. Anyways, I was using nmap to discover what all was on my 192.168.*.* network, and stumbled upon a web-admin interface for an Encore VBI Encoder. Does anyone know what that does? |
| [16:20:20] | monkeyBox: | Looks like this is what it is: http://www.egtinc.com/Page3343.aspx |
| [16:20:31] | monkeyBox: | Not sure how I have unsecured access to this thing... |
| [16:21:10] | GreyFoxx: | because of a misconfiguration by your cableco :) |
| [16:21:42] | monkeyBox: | looks like there are a bunch of these things at different ip's |
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| [16:22:40] | monkeyBox: | Each one specifies a "Program ID", which looks like specific channels |
| [16:23:31] | GreyFoxx: | Seriously, I'd leave them alone, don't even go in "looking" and let them know |
| [16:23:40] | fryfrog: | i'd have to concur :/ |
| [16:23:41] | GreyFoxx: | cause if you change something it will not be pleasant |
| [16:23:57] | monkeyBox: | heh, yeah.. no way I'm changing anything |
| [16:24:09] | fryfrog: | or hack into a neighbor's wireless a bunch of houses away, change stuff, then hope they don't find you :p |
| [16:24:16] | monkeyBox: | haha |
| [16:24:24] | fryfrog: | i can just imagine the conversaion with support trying to tell them about this though |
| [16:24:31] | fryfrog: | i doubt it'll ever make it to the right person :/ |
| [16:24:45] | fryfrog: | unless your cable co isn't comcast? |
| [16:25:06] | monkeyBox: | It's TWC |
| [16:25:22] | fryfrog: | Time Warner? |
| [16:25:25] | monkeyBox: | yeah |
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| [16:25:37] | fryfrog: | what is the C for? cable? |
| [16:25:45] | monkeyBox: | yeah, Time Warner Cable |
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| [16:27:41] | canatella: | hello |
| [16:28:15] | canatella: | I cannot find a jump point for watching recordings. Does someone knows it ? |
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| [16:31:21] | canatella: | is it TV Recording Playback ? because that one does not do anything here |
| [16:31:55] | clever: | that sounds like the one im using |
| [16:33:11] | justinh: | Dibblah: you're never frickin happy are ya? :P |
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| [16:33:46] | justinh: | anyway now I've built the driver from scratch I may aswell do the patch for opengl vsync |
| [16:34:19] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [16:34:22] | justinh: | if I can remember where I left it |
| [16:34:27] | GreyFoxx: | once you start.... |
| [16:35:18] | canatella: | ok it's working now, I must have made some mistake. |
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| [16:35:22] | justinh: | heh. off I go into i830_video.c |
| [16:37:42] | justinh: | ah shoite. that patch won't apply cos it's too aaaald |
| [16:38:39] | justinh: | duh. helps if I look at i830_dri.c |
| [16:41:32] | justinh: | easy peasy |
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| [16:47:05] | justinh: | hmm I might be able to get rid of that awful epia junk in the livingroom this weekend |
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| [16:56:59] | ali1234: | what board is that? |
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| [17:14:45] | Dibblah: | Hmmm. Okay. Mark Spieth's multi-channel audio patch works, with one caveat. |
| [17:15:14] | Dibblah: | Internally he's commented out the channel swizzling. And I don't know why, since it's required at least on my system :( |
| [17:15:25] | Viiru-: | I'm using a Hauppauge WinTV Nova 500 Dual DVB-T card, Myth finds the channels in setup with the automation. When trying to watch tv, the image is green and doesn't fit the screen. What's happening? |
| [17:15:51] | Viiru-: | The UI is fine, using mplayer to view the dvb stuff is fine. |
| [17:16:57] | justinh: | ali1234: there is no 'which epia is junk'.. THEY ALL ARE |
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| [17:17:19] | ** jams agrees ** | |
| [17:17:53] | Viiru-: | Oh. Epia doesn't seem to be junk, but the driver support on linux is. |
| [17:18:00] | justinh: | I measured the cpu usage of mythmusic with no visuals & it was something stupid like 15%. playing an MP3 ffs! |
| [17:18:06] | justinh: | oh I beg to differ |
| [17:18:11] | justinh: | the CPU is puny |
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| [17:19:16] | clever: | i have a laptop here that cant even play mp3:P |
| [17:19:26] | Viiru-: | justinh: The CPU isn't very fast, but I don't think anyone (including via) told you otherwise at any point. |
| [17:19:32] | clever: | i have to decode it to wave first to get it to play and even then if the sample rate is too high it has trouble |
| [17:19:43] | justinh: | yeah but.. 1Ghz Via C3 is like what.. |
| [17:19:56] | Viiru-: | My Epia EX plays mp3s just fine. And also DVDs, xvids, avis and such. |
| [17:20:04] | justinh: | so does mine |
| [17:20:09] | clever: | my pc that has mp3 trouble is <150mhz :P |
| [17:20:10] | justinh: | just not SDTV mpeg2 in mythtv |
| [17:20:16] | clever: | one of them only has 20mb of ram |
| [17:20:59] | Dibblah: | justinh: On the plus side, it's one thing you can start being less grumpy about – After you've got the ebay refund, of course :) |
| [17:21:00] | Viiru-: | justinh: Mine plays that fine speedwise, the image gets corrupted somehow (which is not a problem in the epia board, but a problem in myth). |
| [17:21:03] | justinh: | anyway, it's getting blown away by a core2 duo 1.83Ghz mobile chip |
| [17:21:22] | justinh: | ebay refund for what? |
| [17:21:34] | Viiru-: | Of course it gest blown away by something that costs twice as much and uses three times more power... |
| [17:21:35] | justinh: | oh selling it |
| [17:21:56] | justinh: | Viiru-: ah but it didn't cost me that much. it cost me _less_ |
| [17:22:32] | clever: | i have a 1ghz laptop here that i got basicaly for free |
| [17:22:40] | clever: | i can easily hookup the tvout cord and slip it on a shelf by the tv to use it as a thin frontend |
| [17:22:42] | justinh: | and it doesn't use 3 times more power. full tilt only about twice as much. and it's slightly more powerful than a c3 PoS |
| [17:22:45] | clever: | but the ati card is crappy |
| [17:23:20] | clever: | brightness on output is oddly high and its tricky to get tvout on |
| [17:23:30] | justinh: | I couldn't give a stuff how little power an epia draws if it doesn't do the job it's supposed to :) |
| [17:23:35] | Viiru-: | So. Nobody here knows anything about image corruption with myth and dvb? |
| [17:23:48] | justinh: | Viiru-: yeah. crappy dvb signals |
| [17:24:10] | clever: | get me a dvb card and i may be able to look into it:P |
| [17:24:10] | Viiru-: | justinh: Why is the signal different when not using myth and using mplayer instead? |
| [17:24:20] | justinh: | BER higher than 0 in tzap/szap |
| [17:24:49] | gbee: | because the frequencies used in mythtv don't match those in mplayer? |
| [17:24:51] | justinh: | because mplayer is made by l1337 h@xx0r5? |
| [17:25:17] | justinh: | because it's Wednesday? who knows... |
| [17:25:22] | gbee: | how did you insert the channels into mythtv? Scanning or channel.conf import? |
| [17:25:35] | Viiru-: | So what I need to do is go through the myth database by hand and correct the frequencies it scanned incorrectly? |
| [17:25:40] | Viiru-: | gbee: Scanning. |
| [17:25:48] | Viiru-: | How do I import a channels.conf? |
| [17:25:58] | gbee: | actually, forget it, not in the 'support bod' mood, need to get some work done instead |
| [17:26:01] | justinh: | an incorrect scan wouldn't be so muhc 'corruption' by a sheer lack of reception – completely |
| [17:26:01] | gbee: | sorry |
| [17:26:22] | justinh: | er.. dunno wtf that was sposed to mean.. |
| [17:26:45] | justinh: | an incorrect scan would mean less 'corruption' and more of 'cannot receive anything' problem |
| [17:27:30] | justinh: | if the transponder/multiplex freqs were stored wrongly I doubt any TV would work in myth at all |
| [17:27:32] | gbee: | justinh: if the freqs were borderline then the signal quality would drop, but then again we used the frequencies broadcast in the signal itself, so it's an unlikely theory |
| [17:27:33] | Viiru-: | Ok, so thats not it. |
| [17:28:05] | gbee: | poor signal is the only explanation I can offer for "corruption" unless you can be more specific about what the corruption is? |
| [17:28:16] | justinh: | gbee: myth has swung between using what the driver tells it & what's reported in the stream |
| [17:28:55] | Viiru-: | gbee: As I said before, the entire screen is green and out of place. |
| [17:29:10] | justinh: | I wouldn't rule out the signal issue – just because you tried it with mplayer another time & it was fine it doesn't mean anything |
| [17:29:21] | Viiru-: | UI shows fine, mplayer shows fine with the same xorg.conf. |
| [17:29:29] | gbee: | justinh: aye, I thought we'd settled on the figure in the stream, but like you said, it changes from time to time, so I'm not 100% sure where we are anymore |
| [17:29:42] | justinh: | Viiru-: nvidia? |
| [17:29:45] | gbee: | Viiru-: using the latest nvidia driver? |
| [17:29:53] | gbee: | snap |
| [17:29:56] | Viiru-: | justinh: I tried it with mplayer after trying it with myth and the tried myth again. |
| [17:30:07] | justinh: | using the latest nvidia driver? |
| [17:30:08] | Viiru-: | No nvidia, Epia EX. |
| [17:30:13] | gbee: | 10–1 that's your problem, the latest nvidia driver can't render XVideo properly |
| [17:30:16] | justinh: | wouldn't rule that out |
| [17:30:37] | justinh: | wouldn't rule out the via drivre being broken too |
| [17:30:39] | gbee: | Viiru-: what decoder are you using? |
| [17:30:46] | Viiru-: | gbee: Standard. |
| [17:30:56] | clever: | having compile problems |
| [17:30:57] | justinh: | don't you need to be using xvmc or else? |
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| [17:31:07] | clever: | using latest myth trunk |
| [17:31:08] | justinh: | my epia can't play shit without xvmc |
| [17:31:17] | Viiru-: | justinh: WHy would I? Software render plays dvds without a problem. |
| [17:31:41] | clever: | http://pastebin.com/m3915a56d |
| [17:31:48] | Viiru-: | (I haven't gotten XvMC working, but haven't tried too hard since everything works fine without it) |
| [17:31:49] | justinh: | because for reasons unknown, mythtv is more resource hungry/different to other apps |
| [17:32:00] | clever: | what might be the cause/fix of the above error? |
| [17:32:13] | justinh: | seriously my m10k can't do ANYTHING without xvmc when it comes to SDTV mpeg2 |
| [17:32:30] | Viiru-: | Yeah. As I said, mine is an EX. |
| [17:32:39] | Viiru-: | It's a lot faster. A lot. |
| [17:32:48] | ** justinh laughs. whatever ** | |
| [17:32:49] | gbee: | clever: build and install mythtv first, before running make distclean and make on the plugins |
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| [17:33:10] | clever: | gbee: ahh, yeah ive built the newer mythtv but havent installed it yet |
| [17:33:20] | clever: | gbee: was trying to rebuild everything at once then mass install |
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| [17:33:49] | Dibblah: | I assume Mark hasn't got commit access himself? |
| [17:33:57] | Dibblah: | (Speith) |
| [17:34:15] | gbee: | the dialogs in libmyth were changed, so to build the plugins which use them, you need to have libmyth installed first |
| [17:34:32] | clever: | gbee: the newer libmyth(old one IS installed) |
| [17:34:45] | gbee: | clever: the newer one |
| [17:34:58] | clever: | i'll just do another pass of make on everything after i install mythtv(and libmyth) |
| [17:35:10] | clever: | once the current recordings are done |
| [17:35:36] | Viiru-: | justinh: Laugh all you like, but a 1Ghz C3 is a lot slower than a 1.5Ghz C7. |
| [17:35:53] | clever: | what network protocol version is myth up to(in trunk)? |
| [17:36:00] | iamlindoro_: | 36 |
| [17:36:08] | Viiru-: | Can myth be told to use xv or not use xv or anything like that? |
| [17:36:12] | clever: | ahh same as what im running atm(14799) |
| [17:36:18] | Viiru-: | I'd like to try different settings. |
| [17:36:34] | justinh: | myth outside of trunk needs xv |
| [17:36:47] | gbee: | Dibblah: not sure, he hasn't |
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| [17:37:20] | gbee: | Viiru-: in trunk yes, in 0.20.2 no |
| [17:38:00] | Viiru-: | gbee: Ok. Anything else that can be changed? |
| [17:39:36] | justinh: | try libmpeg2 in tv playback settings |
| [17:39:46] | gbee: | can't think of anything atm, but that doesn't mean there isn't something else you can try |
| [17:39:55] | ** gbee goes back to work ** | |
| [17:40:13] | justinh: | Viiru-: ok then what does mplayer look like if you make it use xv? |
| [17:40:22] | Viiru-: | justinh: Works. |
| [17:42:18] | justinh: | well, I've been to hell & back with my current machine so many times I'd just give up if I were you, but hey |
| [17:42:21] | Viiru-: | Nope, libmpeg2 doesn't change the result. |
| [17:42:47] | justinh: | esoteric hardware is always a PITA one way or the other |
| [17:42:53] | Viiru-: | True. |
| [17:43:18] | Viiru-: | I have my reasons for this hardware choice, and am willing to work on it until it works. |
| [17:43:23] | justinh: | I went hacking in the intel driver source to stop my tv out flickering today |
| [17:44:29] | clever: | i dont think my vid driver even has open source(for the card with tvout problems) |
| [17:44:44] | Viiru-: | Hmm. Mythfrontend just segfaulted.. |
| [17:45:17] | justinh: | reckon it's time to go home |
| [17:48:46] | clever: | i just had an idea on how to remotely wake the backend |
| [17:48:52] | clever: | which doesn multiple things to wake it |
| [17:49:07] | clever: | send the normal UDP wakeonlan packet |
| [17:49:32] | clever: | but have xinetd listening on that same port to fire up the backend |
| [17:49:43] | clever: | so if the box is allready up it still starts the backend(instead of trying to boot an allready on box) |
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| [18:10:02] | fryfrog: | clever: i don't think mythbackend can be run via xinetd? |
| [18:10:16] | fryfrog: | xinetd runs a "server daemon" per process, and myth only uses one |
| [18:10:20] | fryfrog: | afaik |
| [18:10:28] | clever: | xinetd can fire up the normal init script |
| [18:10:45] | clever: | which would background run the mythbackend under the normal username and everything |
| [18:10:45] | fryfrog: | oh, that is a unique idea! |
| [18:10:55] | fryfrog: | but then... wouldn't it do it *every* time? |
| [18:11:21] | clever: | the initscript normaly checks that mythbackend is allready running when told to start it |
| [18:11:28] | clever: | if it was made properly |
| [18:12:02] | fryfrog: | clever: why not simply have a cron job running on the server that checks for a running BE every say, 5 min? |
| [18:12:06] | fryfrog: | and if it doesn't find it, starts it |
| [18:12:25] | fryfrog: | that way, if your BE server is up, but your BE itself failed... it'll get restarted even if there is no FE trying to connect |
| [18:12:26] | clever: | ive seen that done with eggdrop irc bots |
| [18:12:35] | clever: | and thats more a way to do it if you lack root(to make it run on bootup) |
| [18:12:47] | fryfrog: | no, that is a way of ensuring it is up |
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| [18:12:55] | clever: | id perfer to have a script wraped arround the mythbackend |
| [18:12:58] | fryfrog: | well, okay, and of starting things w/o root i'm sure too |
| [18:13:04] | clever: | which will sleep x seconds when it fails then start it up again |
| [18:13:20] | clever: | basicaly mythbackend;sleep 30;repeat |
| [18:13:26] | fryfrog: | clever: problem with that is if the *script* ever fails (who knows why), it'll never start it up again |
| [18:13:35] | fryfrog: | ie, some tard kills your script... you are SOL |
| [18:13:50] | clever: | just design the script to be bullet proof |
| [18:13:51] | fryfrog: | i'm not saying it is a bad method, and it is very useful in many cases |
| [18:14:03] | fryfrog: | you can't "bulletproof" from kill -9 :p |
| [18:14:05] | clever: | the cronjob could also be put in wrongly or damaged and kill it also |
| [18:14:11] | clever: | killall crond |
| [18:14:13] | clever: | oops:P |
| [18:14:21] | fryfrog: | true of course :) |
| [18:14:39] | clever: | if the noob is using -9 its his own fault it stoped working |
| [18:15:11] | clever: | i just mean to protect it from general non human sourced problems |
| [18:15:25] | clever: | such as the backend segfaulting on startup |
| [18:15:27] | clever: | the 30 sec sleep keeps it from eating cpu |
| [18:15:42] | clever: | as soon as you fix it the thing will come to life |
| [18:16:10] | fryfrog: | that all said, i use neither on my BE :) |
| [18:16:15] | fryfrog: | i use a cron job on the FE though |
| [18:16:31] | clever: | but a make install also kills all the myth progs(it installs files 'wrongly' causing bus errors all arround) |
| [18:16:33] | fryfrog: | to check on frontend ever 1 min, if not found, start |
| [18:16:47] | fryfrog: | ah, so that is why it happens! |
| [18:16:55] | clever: | on my master i run everything manuly inside screen and allmost never reboot |
| [18:17:02] | fryfrog: | i think i've done a make install w/ be running once or twice and it hates it :p |
| [18:17:14] | clever: | all the myth progs use mmap to pull in the libs and main program |
| [18:17:32] | clever: | make install uses cp to install the files which truncates the files then copys over(even if the file is identical) |
| [18:17:43] | clever: | truncating the mmaped file causes the bus error |
| [18:17:52] | fryfrog: | interesting! |
| [18:17:56] | clever: | using the install program(or a extra cp arg) |
| [18:17:59] | fryfrog: | what would be the "properer" way of doing it? |
| [18:18:02] | clever: | it will delete the file then copy |
| [18:18:08] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [18:18:17] | clever: | the linux kernel keeps a copy hidden without any filename if its open by any programs |
| [18:18:37] | clever: | if you delete a file thats inuse the data stays but the filename goes |
| [18:18:52] | clever: | leaving you with a hidden old version that the running progs can keep using |
| [18:19:26] | clever: | but any new files the backend/fe opens will be newer then the code posibly causing problems(old fe opens new ui.xml) |
| [18:19:52] | clever: | i opened a ticket but it was just closed with alot of bitching |
| [18:20:09] | clever: | then i later fixed it on my end by editing a qt file on the host(outside the source tree) |
| [18:20:54] | clever: | adding --remove-destination to the cp calls seems to fix it |
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| [18:21:51] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [18:22:42] | clever: | it will also slow the install donw some with extra syscalls |
| [18:22:59] | clever: | but the svnversion call it does on every pass of make already makes it insanely slow |
| [18:23:09] | fryfrog: | why don't you make the changes and submit a .diff patch? |
| [18:23:24] | clever: | the change is to a part outside of the mythtv source tree |
| [18:23:37] | clever: | but i heard it can also be done within the files qmake processes |
| [18:23:40] | fryfrog: | it isn't a change to the make file? |
| [18:23:55] | clever: | its a change to one of the qt files on the host(part of the distro) |
| [18:24:09] | clever: | but i think variables in the .pro can also have the same effect |
| [18:24:21] | clever: | but i forget what exactly i changed |
| [18:27:01] | clever: | COPY = cp -f --remove-destination |
| [18:27:15] | clever: | (the result of the change, showing up in all Makefile's) |
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| [18:33:05] | clever: | and more problems from --prefix not working |
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| [18:33:40] | clever: | /usr/local/include/mythtv was used by plugins to find the myth headers yet myth obeyed --prefix and put them elsewhere |
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| [18:46:53] | ali1234: | justinh: i just wondered which one it was. was maybe going to offer to buy it off you if you really are going to bin it... |
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| [18:50:26] | Yggdrasil: | hello can somone help me with burining a dvd from a mythtv recorduing.. using mythtv |
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| [18:57:05] | darkwizard: | hey all |
| [18:57:29] | Yggdrasil: | quit foloowing me |
| [18:57:30] | darkwizard: | i tried new mythtv version and it seems to jump the video |
| [18:57:31] | Yggdrasil: | homo |
| [18:57:39] | darkwizard: | who |
| [18:58:04] | darkwizard: | been in here for days |
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| [18:58:12] | Yggdrasil: | haha |
| [18:58:14] | Yggdrasil: | ok |
| [18:58:22] | darkwizard: | your one just came in |
| [18:58:26] | Yggdrasil: | ok question is mythburn better than mytharchive |
| [18:58:31] | Yggdrasil: | but i came here first before you then left |
| [18:58:34] | Yggdrasil: | along time ago |
| [18:58:37] | Yggdrasil: | ok lunch bbl |
| [18:58:46] | darkwizard: | lmfao |
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| [19:34:40] | justinh: | ali1234: no I'm not going to bin it but it'll be going on the fleabay no doubt |
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| [19:50:30] | Anders1966: | Don't know where to start. I've a mythtv without sound. Have been reading the documentation, the "Hacking MythTV, and used google without any luck. Hope someone can point me in the right direction. |
| [19:50:46] | fryfrog: | well, does sound work otherwise? |
| [19:50:55] | xris: | Anders1966: does the computer have sound for other things? and what kind of tuner card are you using? |
| [19:50:55] | fryfrog: | does a recording have sound, but myth doesn't play it? |
| [19:51:04] | fryfrog: | does my play sound but the recordings don't have any? |
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| [19:55:16] | Anders1966: | Yes the computer have sound for other things. Sound is fine in mplayer. The soundcard is SB Live. The sound module used is snd_emu10k1. There is a cable from the TVCard to the sound card. I don't have any MythTV recordings with sound. |
| [19:56:53] | Anders1966: | My TV tuner card is SAA7134/SAA7135HL Video Broadcast Decoder. |
| [20:00:00] | fryfrog: | is that a framegrabber? |
| [20:00:21] | fryfrog: | if so, it sounds like you might need to set your line in as the "capture" device and mute it |
| [20:00:39] | fryfrog: | i assume you can get sound (if it is a framegrabber) using tvtime or xawtv? |
| [20:02:49] | iamlindoro_: | SAA7134 is the same chip on my Kworld 115, which is an ATSC tuner with analog framegrabber |
| [20:02:57] | iamlindoro_: | so I presume that's his problem, yeah |
| [20:07:23] | justinh: | right, so now it's time to test my driver hack & see if a) bob deinterlace is fixed and b) svideo is non flickery at home |
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| [20:11:31] | Yggdrasil: | ok question is mythburn better than mytharchive ? |
| [20:11:57] | iamlindoro_: | No |
| [20:12:03] | iamlindoro_: | Mytharchive replaces it |
| [20:13:34] | iamlindoro_: | Read the wiki articles on both for more info |
| [20:13:50] | iamlindoro_: | and may very well explain any problem you might having |
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| [20:15:20] | Anders1966: | Just testet. There is sound in tvtime. This commands is used before starting mythfrontend: amixer set Master,0 75%,75% unmute; amixer set PCM,0 75%,75% unmute; amixer set Line,0 75%,75% mute captur ; amixer set Capture,0 75%,75% captur ; aplay /usr/share/sounds/startup3.wav |
| [20:16:44] | ali1234: | amixer set Line,0 75%,75% mute captur ; |
| [20:16:48] | ali1234: | ? |
| [20:16:56] | justinh: | when oh when oh when is mythtv going to stop supporting framegrabbers? ;) |
| [20:19:10] | ali1234: | "support" is a word that is used too much these days |
| [20:20:13] | justinh: | ok then.. when is mythtv going to simply refuse to work if you don't have firewire, iptv, dvb, ATSC/QAM or ivtv tuners? |
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| [20:20:33] | ali1234: | well, i heard it pretty much already does that... |
| [20:20:59] | justinh: | actually no it does – it's just up to the user to set it up properly |
| [20:21:47] | justinh: | mythtv is different to tvtime in that it records everything, even livetv so what you need to do is ensure that tv audio is being _captured_ by the soundcard |
| [20:21:58] | justinh: | (for framegrabbers) |
| [20:22:35] | justinh: | if you have the tv card audio routed to a soundcard input, and that input is selected to be captured there's still a chance mythtv isn't unmuting the tv tuner audio |
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| [20:39:31] | EAG: | is is possible somehow to pipe output from unrar to mplayer and use it when playing media files? |
| [20:39:41] | EAG: | in mythtv that is... |
| [20:40:08] | EAG: | like "unrar -inul p [filename.rar] |mplayer -" |
| [20:42:57] | ** justinh suggests you stop using leet files ** | |
| [20:43:16] | justinh: | muh muh muhhhh, but xbox media center.. wahh |
| [20:43:34] | EAG: | I know it can be made to work in freevo |
| [20:44:22] | justinh: | so use freevo then :) |
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| [20:45:27] | EAG: | is that the typical answer here? |
| [20:45:59] | justinh: | nope |
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| [20:46:11] | justinh: | but what does mplayer have to do with mythtv exactly? |
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| [20:46:38] | directhex: | it's an answer. perhaps you want something more along the lines of "you can define custom player commands in mythvideo for a given file extension, just make it launch a custom script to do the above |
| [20:46:41] | EAG: | doesnt it use mplayer or vlc to play video files? |
| [20:46:59] | ali1234: | EAG it's quite easy to do it in mythtv, just look on the wiki, at the page about setting up extra filetype. make a script to do what you want, and associate it with rar files. it could not be much more easy and flexible than that. |
| [20:47:01] | directhex: | it can, optionally, use an external media player for video files. the default is the internal player |
| [20:47:23] | EAG: | ali1234: I will take a look there! |
| [20:50:01] | gbee: | EAG, Mythtv doesn't use any third party media player as standard, it plays most media formats on it's own, what you want to do _can_ be done if you must though |
| [20:50:21] | EAG: | I "must" ;) |
| [20:50:24] | justinh: | ffs my svideo output is still flickering at home |
| [20:50:30] | EAG: | freevo isnt an option atm |
| [20:50:50] | fryfrog: | why not just extract them? |
| [20:51:01] | fryfrog: | it isn't like raring up video saves a whole lot of space, it is already compressed |
| [20:51:04] | EAG: | too much... |
| [20:51:08] | fryfrog: | assuming it... isn't uncompressed :) |
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| [20:51:33] | justinh: | even if you use a script I don't think it'll do it on the fly as such. you'd probably have to wait for it to extract |
| [20:51:52] | directhex: | justinh, it might play, but it won't seek |
| [20:52:00] | gbee: | if using rar compressess the videos, then you'd be better off just transcoded them to another format which has better compression |
| [20:52:19] | gbee: | transcoding them |
| [20:53:16] | EAG: | its not about the "compression" |
| [20:53:28] | EAG: | I dont think its compressed at all actually |
| [20:53:51] | ali1234: | RV24? |
| [20:54:07] | directhex: | gbee, it's not one .rar file, it's a bunch of sequentially numbered .r23 files, each exactly 15000000000 bytes long |
| [20:54:10] | directhex: | gbee, :p |
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| [20:55:06] | ali1234: | actually i never thought of rar'ing my RV24 videos... it would probably save a lot of HD thrashing to pipe it in and out of rar... |
| [20:55:35] | justinh: | YES! I finally fixed it! nbr_end was 286 should be 288 |
| [20:55:36] | gbee: | heh |
| [20:55:53] | gbee: | justinh: cool |
| [20:56:09] | ali1234: | so your frame was two lines short? no wonder your TV was flickering... |
| [20:57:17] | justinh: | with that fixed, and opengl vsync fixed video playback is now sweeeeeeeet |
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| [20:57:32] | dr1234: | anyone here using mvpmc and vlc? |
| [20:57:47] | directhex: | justinh, i hope you've submitted patches to keith packard et al for this, it sounds like some fantastic work |
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| [20:58:23] | justinh: | directhex: yes I already have but that patch can be scrubbed now it's just a one line change :D |
| [20:58:53] | justinh: | oh wait. i see tearing. but then I don't think I built mythfrontend with openglvsync enabled |
| [20:59:11] | justinh: | deinterlacing looks much better now though |
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| [21:00:48] | Aval0n: | !seen |torg| |
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| [21:00:52] | Aval0n: | shite |
| [21:00:53] | justinh: | thank f. for dual core :) |
| [21:00:58] | Aval0n: | hi justin |
| [21:00:59] | Aval0n: | what's new |
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| [21:02:06] | justinh: | loads :) building a new frontend to replace the shitty epia m10k box. core2 duo mobile 1.83Ghz. been fixing the tvout in the driver, typical kind of thing really :P |
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| [21:04:34] | Aval0n: | cool |
| [21:04:37] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [21:04:47] | Aval0n: | I'l still beating my head with my box |
| [21:04:49] | Aval0n: | I'm* |
| [21:05:09] | Aval0n: | having weird stutters with HD playback after watching it for a bit |
| [21:05:25] | Aval0n: | I saw some weird sound card errors in the frontend logs but still not sure what's causing it. |
| [21:06:07] | justinh: | I also added a 720x576 mode to the driver but I dunno if that's valid for all tv encoders or not (works for me!) |
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| [21:07:59] | justinh: | bum. still got the tearing |
| [21:08:19] | justinh: | then again I didn't notice that before. maybe I didn't need the openglsync patch |
| [21:10:27] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [21:10:49] | Aval0n: | what are you using for TV service justin? |
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| [21:11:56] | justinh: | Freeview in the UK |
| [21:13:46] | justinh: | whee reverted the change, disabled openglvsync in mythfrontend.. and.. still tearing. shat |
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| [21:15:13] | jduggan: | lol @ shat |
| [21:15:17] | jduggan: | havent heard that in a while |
| [21:17:06] | justinh: | wonder if it's the driver still. the code reckons PAL has a refresh of 25Hz (field rate).. which doesn't seem right |
| [21:18:45] | justinh: | nope. hrm. time to look at -v playback |
| [21:19:02] | jhulst: | I'm having problems with a new installation and video stuttering, logs show prebuffer and RingBuf errors, http://rafb.net/p/2xm1sT81.html Any ideas? |
| [21:29:30] | justinh: | heh. tearing is going upwards |
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| [21:32:18] | sebrock: | I've got this issue with Playing video files: mplayer starts and I hear sound but picture stays frozen on mythfrontend. any thoughts on that? |
| [21:33:50] | clever: | mythfrontend is segfaulting on startup |
| [21:37:01] | clever: | Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. |
| [21:37:01] | clever: | #0 0x0807d26e in QShared::ref (this=0x0) at /usr/include/qt3/qshared.h:49 |
| [21:37:01] | clever: | 49 void ref() { count++; } |
| [21:38:28] | clever: | callstack was within mytharchive so i simply deleted the plugin binary |
| [21:39:02] | jhulst: | sebrock: Can you play video with mplayer alone? |
| [21:39:35] | GreyFoxx: | clever: Did you just update? Someone posted on -dev that a upnp chnage was causing that |
| [21:39:58] | clever: | tha fixed it |
| [21:39:58] | clever: | yeah i did just svn update |
| [21:40:11] | clever: | but i dont need mytharchive on the fe's so i dont realy need it fixed asap |
| [21:40:29] | clever: | all my fe's(except the master) share a single --prefix(via nfs) |
| [21:40:30] | ** GreyFoxx is gonna play with the windows port of mythfrontend later hehe see how crashy it is :) ** | |
| [21:40:30] | sebrock: | jhulst: yes no problems at all |
| [21:40:39] | clever: | sounds fun:) |
| [21:40:46] | jhulst: | sebrock: full screen? |
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| [21:41:04] | clever: | GreyFoxx: built under cygwin or with a diff compiler/ui? |
| [21:41:32] | sebrock: | jhulst: outside mythfrontend yes, fullscreen etc. no problems, doing 1080p without problems |
| [21:41:51] | GreyFoxx: | clever: built under mingw |
| [21:41:53] | jams: | clever mingGW |
| [21:42:05] | GreyFoxx: | he posted the patches to trac and a link to his current dll's/exe's |
| [21:42:07] | justinh: | Dibblah: you around fella? got a wee problem with GL |
| [21:42:18] | jhulst: | sebrock: There's nothing interesting in the logs? |
| [21:42:22] | GreyFoxx: | I grabbed them but haven't tried it yet since I don't have windows at work |
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| [21:42:46] | clever: | does mingGW have a ui or is it fully cli based? |
| [21:42:52] | clever: | (like gcc) |
| [21:42:54] | GreyFoxx: | cli last I used it |
| [21:43:13] | clever: | sounds like i'll need a make.exe also:P |
| [21:43:18] | sebrock: | jhulst: just saw I'm currently not logging, gonna check this as soon as my gf is finished watching her stuff |
| [21:43:36] | GreyFoxx: | he didn't post his compile process or info on setting up the dev environment |
| [21:43:55] | clever: | mingGW seens to have a make within it |
| [21:44:01] | GreyFoxx: | but it will be interesting. He's got a lot more working supposedly than I expected |
| [21:44:03] | GreyFoxx: | it does have make |
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| [21:44:32] | clever: | installing... |
| [21:44:50] | GreyFoxx: | probably has hardcoded paths and such |
| [21:44:54] | clever: | something that might speed things up a bit is to be able to cross compile(make a exe on linux) |
| [21:45:12] | clever: | then i wont need svn.exe |
| [21:45:20] | clever: | and i'll be able to keep all the source within 1 box |
| [21:45:26] | GreyFoxx: | There is a part of me that dreads a win32 port, but plenty of people want one |
| [21:45:50] | justinh: | all of me dreads it |
| [21:45:58] | clever: | i made my dads xp dualboot and setup the linux half to be noob friendly for myth usage |
| [21:46:06] | clever: | yet i still cant even get him to watch 30 seconds of mythtv:P |
| [21:46:25] | clever: | cant even get him to glance at the guide when he wants to know what else is on:P |
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| [21:47:14] | justinh: | that's just olds for ya |
| [21:47:19] | clever: | yeah |
| [21:47:36] | clever: | until i can get him hooked on mythtv he wont be paying to upgrade parts of it:P |
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| [21:47:59] | justinh: | well, I think if I can fix libGL/drm/whatever I'll be onto something |
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| [21:48:14] | justinh: | linux1: see #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [21:48:21] | linux1: | hiys ppl im having problems setting up the mysql data base |
| [21:48:40] | linux1: | i just keep getting access denied |
| [21:48:44] | justinh: | linux1: see #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [21:49:01] | justinh: | let mythbuntu guys sort out mythbuntu problems :) |
| [21:49:18] | clever: | my left channel of audio is dead |
| [21:49:35] | clever: | ahh was just a loose wire |
| [21:49:45] | clever: | need to fix that so it doesnt keep dying |
| [21:49:48] | justinh: | clever: you want my epia supercomputer? (I mean supercomputer compared to yours) :P |
| [21:49:52] | linux1: | Database error was: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) any idea whats up as im added to the group |
| [21:50:14] | justinh: | linux1: mysql users are not the same as linux users |
| [21:50:15] | clever: | justinh: what cpu speed?:P |
| [21:50:27] | justinh: | clever: a lofty (pretendy) 1ghz |
| [21:50:52] | justinh: | it has 1Ghz written on the side but it doesn't perform like it :P |
| [21:51:02] | clever: | my master is 1.6ghz |
| [21:51:02] | clever: | yet it has trouble because of the frame grabber |
| [21:51:09] | clever: | lol:) |
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| [21:51:15] | clever: | how much? |
| [21:51:24] | iamlindoro_: | The giga"hurts." |
| [21:51:29] | GreyFoxx: | Really? I use to use a PIII 650 as a backend+frontend with a framegrabber |
| [21:51:45] | GreyFoxx: | it would stutter in playback if recording was going on at the same time |
| [21:51:50] | GreyFoxx: | but not by much |
| [21:52:08] | GreyFoxx: | and either 1 worked fine by itself |
| [21:52:12] | clever: | my recordings get damaged if im playing &recording at the same time on my master |
| [21:52:15] | clever: | and the playback often stutters |
| [21:52:22] | justinh: | clever: shipping would cost too much |
| [21:52:24] | GreyFoxx: | Crazy |
| [21:52:30] | clever: | 1 at a time has no problems |
| [21:52:34] | justinh: | anyway I have to keep the computer room door open somehow |
| [21:52:51] | clever: | streaming 4–5 things to remote boxes(transcoding and 1 fe playing) WHILE recording and no problem |
| [21:53:03] | justinh: | gah I hate 3d problems on linux. they're a PITA |
| [21:53:56] | clever: | but |
| [21:54:12] | clever: | i do have problems playing a file WHILE it records(remotely) |
| [21:54:20] | clever: | it seems to be nfs related |
| [21:54:48] | clever: | im guessing the appending of the backend invalidates the readahead in nfs causing it to eat bandwidth up |
| [21:55:17] | clever: | streaming thru the backend 'fixes' it |
| [21:55:40] | linux1: | i look like user mythtv can access the database andone with an idea how to sort this out please |
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| [21:57:51] | jhulst: | clever: I may have the same problem, what do you mean by streaming through the backend? |
| [21:58:14] | clever: | setup->tv->playback->allways stream thru backend |
| [21:58:20] | clever: | set on each fe |
| [21:58:34] | clever: | it will connect to the backend and ignore any local(or nfs) copys it see's |
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| [21:59:13] | beexwxax: | hi |
| [21:59:15] | clever: | hdd and network bandwidth shouldnt change any(relative to if the problem didnt exist) |
| [21:59:30] | beexwxax: | anyone has ever set up an osprey 440 with mythtv? |
| [21:59:59] | iamlindoro_: | If it's not supported by linuxtv, it won't work with myth, beexwxax |
| [22:00:21] | beexwxax: | well the card driver its working |
| [22:00:41] | beexwxax: | and in the mythtv-setup it recognized the card |
| [22:01:04] | beexwxax: | im having trouble when i create the capture card |
| [22:01:28] | jhulst: | clever: I don't have that option, is it only in SVN? |
| [22:01:38] | iamlindoro_: | Creating it as the correct type? Does it have a hardware encoder, or software only? |
| [22:01:42] | clever: | im on svn trunk |
| [22:01:48] | clever: | but it could just be in a diff area |
| [22:01:51] | beexwxax: | its using the bt878 driver and have 4 channels input for 4 different video sources |
| [22:02:01] | clever: | jhulst: you could try umount'ing the nfs so its forced to stream it |
| [22:02:33] | iamlindoro_: | so it's a framegrabber? |
| [22:02:51] | beexwxax: | http://www.viewcast.com/pages.asp?page=osprey-440 |
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| [22:03:32] | iamlindoro_: | please don't link me, I can google fine, is it a hardware encoder, or a framegrabber? |
| [22:04:13] | iamlindoro_: | Looks like it's a framegrabber |
| [22:04:41] | beexwxax: | thats one of the problems i really dont know |
| [22:04:50] | iamlindoro_: | ok, so what card type did you set it up as? |
| [22:05:24] | beexwxax: | analog V4L capture card |
| [22:05:33] | iamlindoro_: | Also, from a v4l mailing list post from last month, it appears it is not fully supported by V4L |
| [22:05:52] | jhulst: | clever: guess that wasn't my problem |
| [22:06:13] | clever: | my files play fine over nfs if they are finished |
| [22:06:15] | beexwxax: | the osprey 440? |
| [22:06:18] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [22:06:19] | clever: | even when other things are recording |
| [22:06:32] | beexwxax: | :s |
| [22:06:48] | iamlindoro_: | It's added to the bt878 driver so it's sensed, but looks like there's not full support yet |
| [22:07:40] | iamlindoro_: | But yes, you probably set it as the right card type for when/if it eventually is |
| [22:08:18] | iamlindoro_: | If you google linuxtv osprey 440 you will see some of the discussion about it... looks like there was some activity back in June |
| [22:08:21] | beexwxax: | the main problem is that when i tryed to save the config it says that card0 (type ) is set to start on channel 3, wich does not exists |
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| [22:08:39] | iamlindoro_: | beexwxax, that's not a problem with your card |
| [22:08:52] | clever: | one of my older frame grabber bugs(started in 14800 trunk) is back now that i upgraded(was simply running 14799 fora month) |
| [22:08:52] | iamlindoro_: | It's that you haven't set a channel lineup |
| [22:09:02] | iamlindoro_: | and attached it to the card |
| [22:09:15] | clever: | the bitrate of all recordings is double what the settings say |
| [22:09:37] | jams: | good grief it been a half hour since meld starting scanning my hg repo for changes. This can't be right. |
| [22:09:48] | clever: | (14800 was the ffmpeg sync) |
| [22:10:12] | iamlindoro_: | beexwxax, and once you have, you may *still* get that error when exiting, and you can safely ignore it, so long as you run mythfilldatabase to grab listings afterwards |
| [22:10:12] | beexwxax: | im not in the usa, im in the dominican republic and my cable operator have a cable box and the audio/video output of that box goes to the osprey card |
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| [22:11:37] | beexwxax: | so im a little bit confused about this, because on the video source i have selected no grabber on the listings grabber |
| [22:12:05] | iamlindoro_: | beexwxax, regardless, your problem is *not* with your card... that's what mythtv-setup says when it doesn't have a channel list |
| [22:12:37] | iamlindoro_: | as to running myth without any listings source, I've never done it so I can't help... |
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| [22:12:55] | beexwax: | ok |
| [22:13:38] | beexwax: | then in the connect source i have selected the video source created in the step before and its fine |
| [22:14:09] | beexwax: | but if i repeat all this with a new input for my card then this error appears |
| [22:14:26] | beexwax: | ey |
| [22:15:34] | Dibblah: | Sure. Users or -dev? |
| [22:15:45] | Dibblah: | justinh: ,,, |
| [22:15:51] | justinh: | -users will be more on topic I reckon |
| [22:15:56] | Dibblah: | Sure. |
| [22:16:18] | iamlindoro_: | beexwax, have you tried working just one input for now? |
| [22:16:28] | iamlindoro_: | just to see if the card *works*? |
| [22:16:33] | justinh: | did you have any issues getting dri to work when you built the xorg driver yourself? I'm having nasty tearing issues with and without opengl vsync |
| [22:16:52] | justinh: | that's with & without the patch you pointed me at Dibblah |
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| [22:17:17] | Dibblah: | Have you a matching (50hz) modeline? |
| [22:17:28] | beexwax: | well yeah it works for 1 input |
| [22:17:28] | Dibblah: | You need it. |
| [22:17:32] | justinh: | Dibblah: ah |
| [22:17:41] | beexwax: | on the front end shows me the blue screen |
| [22:17:56] | justinh: | Dibblah: thing is I dont reckon it likes modelines for tvout |
| [22:18:02] | beexwax: | the crd shows a blue screen if it does not have a cable attached to ir |
| [22:18:04] | beexwax: | it |
| [22:18:04] | iamlindoro_: | beexwax, is that normal for your cable provider? Watch TV works in myth with only one input? |
| [22:18:11] | Dibblah: | No, it appears it doesn't. :( |
| [22:18:21] | Dibblah: | I haven't seen _anyone_ saying that it does. |
| [22:18:32] | iamlindoro_: | what if you have your STB attached? Can you get television picture? |
| [22:18:51] | beexwax: | let me connect it to a real cable box and then tell u |
| [22:19:36] | justinh: | Dibblah: thing is, the refresh rate is reported to the app by the driver, and in tvout mode that comes from i830_tv.c – set at 25Hz. anyway for openglvsync to work surely direct rendering has to work properly in hardware too I'd have thought |
| [22:19:40] | iamlindoro_: | PS, from my reading it appears the support for the audio may be badly broken, possibly horribly distorted |
| [22:19:55] | Dibblah: | DRM works for me. |
| [22:19:57] | jhulst: | I'm trying to compile mythtv from source but don't want the backend so I use --disable-backend but the output still shows a yes next to the backend part. Is there something else I need? |
| [22:20:49] | justinh: | Dibblah: did you just build xf86_video_intel or whatever or did you have to do drm & the whole lot? |
| [22:20:59] | Dibblah: | jhulst: Don't use disable-backend. |
| [22:21:18] | Dibblah: | I just recompiled the Intel X driver. |
| [22:21:36] | Dibblah: | jhulst: As you'd see if you looked at the help text, those options don't really exist. |
| [22:21:42] | justinh: | jhulst: the backend takes up only a few meg. you don't have to run it, or even leave it installed |
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| [22:22:03] | justinh: | i.e. you can manually delete it later, or modify the install script to omit it |
| [22:22:32] | justinh: | Dibblah: hrm.. I think I'll have to keep stabbing xorg.conf til I get results then |
| [22:22:47] | Dibblah: | glxinfo |grep direct...direct rendering: Yes |
| [22:22:47] | jhulst: | Dibblah: I did look at the help text, but I saw the output and figured it may be an option, and it didn't complain when I added --disable-backend as it did on other fake ones, anyways thanks for the advice |
| [22:23:58] | Dibblah: | justinh: I don't think I did anything special. |
| [22:24:01] | Dibblah: | Ah, wait. |
| [22:24:07] | justinh: | Dibblah: not getting that here. mind if I take a peek at your xorg.conf ? |
| [22:24:13] | Dibblah: | Did you have a monitor attached to the other port? |
| [22:24:17] | justinh: | no |
| [22:24:21] | justinh: | tvout only |
| [22:25:13] | Dibblah: | http://pastebin.ca/806773 |
| [22:25:41] | justinh: | cheers |
| [22:26:03] | Dibblah: | There's some junk in there as well. |
| [22:26:52] | Dibblah: | What does your X log look like? |
| [22:27:38] | justinh: | awful, like all X logs |
| [22:27:47] | Dibblah: | Also, mythtv --verbose playback <file> |
| [22:27:57] | Dibblah: | should give you the frame interval it believes it's seeing. |
| [22:28:26] | Dibblah: | 'video_output' mean = '41730.28', std. dev. = '5477.79', fps = '23.96' |
| [22:30:48] | Dibblah: | It appears from my X log that I'm actually using FRM. |
| [22:30:51] | Dibblah: | DRM, even. |
| [22:32:00] | Dibblah: | However, if openGL is unticked, it appears to fall back to RTC, I think. |
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| [22:33:08] | Dibblah: | That's an ATSC file output – I think it's still representative of what you should be seeing, though. |
| [22:33:25] | Dibblah: | Another thing to try is faking it. |
| [22:33:40] | Dibblah: | Set a 50Hz modeline on the VGA / TDMS ports. |
| [22:37:36] | justinh: | good plan |
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| [22:41:27] | justinh: | all is well in the log until EE) AIGLX error: drmMap of framebuffer failed (Invalid argument)(EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering |
| [22:42:53] | justinh: | found a mailing list post which says that compiling a newer X fixed it |
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| [22:45:28] | justinh: | maybe building a newer DRM will fix it |
| [22:49:25] | MaverickTech: | good morning |
| [22:50:01] | MaverickTech: | I have been seeing stuff in the SVN commits recently murmuring about windows port |
| [22:50:49] | MaverickTech: | who's best to ask re: the status of this ? I am interested in win as a frontend (no capture), just player |
| [22:51:17] | justinh: | look at the comments in the commit log. you'll see |
| [22:51:18] | MaverickTech: | (although I have successfully weaned the family of windows, in favour of linux : YAYAY) |
| [22:51:26] | MaverickTech: | thanks justinh |
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| [22:52:23] | MaverickTech: | only 1 w1nd0w$ machine remains in our house :D |
| [22:56:41] | mzb_d800: | 1 too many ;) |
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| [23:00:53] | MaverickTech: | mzb_d800: it runs s/w that won't run under wine :/ |
| [23:01:22] | mzb_d800: | xen hvm might be going overboard I guess ;P |
| [23:02:21] | mzb_d800: | vmplayer? ;) |
| [23:02:28] | justinh: | I have a cunning plan |
| [23:02:34] | MaverickTech: | vm is not out of the question |
| [23:02:51] | justinh: | /ignore *vm* |
| [23:02:58] | MaverickTech: | ;p |
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| [23:05:40] | justinh: | hmmm now I come to think about it you know, half of 576 is 288 so it stands to reason that value in the driver should be 288 not 286 ;) |
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| [23:07:29] | directhex: | no shit! |
| [23:09:07] | justinh: | anyway I've come to a crossroads. drm isn't worky anymore, so I have a couple of options. 1. rebuild X. 2. check out version 2.2 of the intel driver & modify that & build it |
| [23:10:05] | justinh: | starting to feel like I shoulda gone back to gentoo for a spell :P |
| [23:13:45] | justinh: | course there might even be a newer xorg package available... |
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| [23:16:26] | sebrock_: | is there any way to hide xine even more? when I start it the window pops up for a second or so... |
| [23:16:33] | sebrock_: | just to make it more seamless |
| [23:16:51] | justinh: | xine --no-splash |
| [23:17:59] | sebrock_: | Im dont mean the splash image |
| [23:18:17] | justinh: | dunno then. Inever see the window bit |
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| [23:18:31] | sebrock_: | I mean the window that gnome creates. Like mplayer, it just jumps straight into the movie |
| [23:19:03] | justinh: | don't use gnome on any frontend of mine |
| [23:19:23] | sebrock_: | so your xine acts just like mplayer? |
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| [23:19:33] | sebrock_: | you dont even notice it starts an external program? |
| [23:19:39] | iamlindoro_: | -I |
| [23:19:51] | justinh: | sebrock_: nope |
| [23:19:53] | iamlindoro_: | Try it. ps, I hate xine |
| [23:20:00] | sebrock_: | alright |
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| [23:20:33] | justinh: | gawd I wish people wouldn't use git |
| [23:20:40] | justinh: | I like subversion |
| [23:20:46] | sebrock_: | -I doesnt make anything |
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| [23:21:02] | iamlindoro_: | -I and --no-gui are supposed to disable gui, per the help |
| [23:21:14] | sebrock_: | well I use mplayer for everything else, but mplayer and DVD menus are not very good |
| [23:21:23] | iamlindoro_: | ps, xine sucks again |
| [23:21:49] | mzb_d800: | sebrock_: --hide-gui --no-gui --borderless --no-logo --no-splash |
| [23:21:54] | iamlindoro_: | sebrock_, mplayers handling of DVD menus is *better* than xine's in SVN... just not easy to set up |
| [23:22:19] | mzb_d800: | I use xine for my play_random script |
| [23:22:26] | mzb_d800: | (music videos) |
| [23:22:39] | sebrock_: | iamlindoro_, mplayer doesnt even handle menus? |
| [23:22:44] | iamlindoro_: | Sure it does |
| [23:22:54] | iamlindoro_: | just not whatever podunk packaged version you installed :) |
| [23:23:26] | sebrock_: | sure I've heard about patching some things, suppsoedly its not in SVN yet |
| [23:23:48] | iamlindoro_: | dvdnav will never be, it's called externally |
| [23:23:54] | iamlindoro_: | http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-u . . . /068321.html |
| [23:24:13] | iamlindoro_: | and per discussions on the mplayer dev list, they have no plans to import it |
| [23:24:27] | mzb_d800: | mplayer just could not do what I wanted (in this case) |
| [23:24:37] | justinh: | gah why is git.. such a fecking git? |
| [23:25:34] | sebrock_: | iamlindoro, I've tried to run it with dvdnav, but it doesnt seem to work very well... get errors about some multiple streams or whatever |
| [23:25:59] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, your install is probably broken |
| [23:26:02] | sebrock_: | mzb_d800, well that helped a bit, still see the black square before it turns into fullscreen |
| [23:26:15] | mzb_d800: | set the window size |
| [23:26:24] | iamlindoro_: | because the multiple streams error is the one you get with *no* dvdnav |
| [23:26:57] | iamlindoro_: | But what the f do I know, right? I'm just happily browsing DVD menus with mplayer. |
| [23:27:49] | mzb_d800: | sebrock_: the other options I have are: --geometry 965x706+5+40 --aspect-ratio auto --playlist "$playlist" --auto-play q |
| [23:28:00] | mzb_d800: | ymmv |
| [23:28:31] | sebrock_: | mzb_d800, strange geometry? |
| [23:28:39] | mzb_d800: | overscan |
| [23:28:49] | sebrock_: | ah |
| [23:28:51] | mzb_d800: | on a PAL TV |
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| [23:28:58] | sebrock_: | still low on pixles :D |
| [23:29:01] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [23:29:36] | mzb_d800: | it's cloned to a 20" CRT downstairs too ... doesn't look too bad |
| [23:29:41] | ** justinh smacks git ** | |
| [23:29:55] | mzb_d800: | in the process of replacing the 20" with a (free) 48" rptv, though |
| [23:30:22] | mzb_d800: | some of the dodginess is a little more visible on that ;) |
| [23:30:30] | justinh: | bah if worst comes to the worst I know I can always reinstall this. I know what needs patched |
| [23:31:29] | sebrock_: | mzb_d800, thaks looks great now |
| [23:31:42] | mzb_d800: | np |
| [23:32:52] | GreyFoxx: | My god. I'm running mythfrontend on windows.. I feel unclean |
| [23:33:22] | RyeBrye: | it runs on windows now? |
| [23:33:57] | GreyFoxx: | sorta |
| [23:34:10] | GreyFoxx: | a patch was put in in track today porting the frontend and mythvideo |
| [23:34:13] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: the question is how well it works |
| [23:34:22] | GreyFoxx: | and the guy put up a zip with his current version of the binariues |
| [23:34:28] | GreyFoxx: | I'm sure it's crashy and full of bugs |
| [23:34:31] | GreyFoxx: | but it does run |
| [23:34:38] | GreyFoxx: | and supposedly livetv/recordigns and such |
| [23:34:42] | GreyFoxx: | haven't got that far yet |
| [23:34:44] | mchou: | run meaning you can watch a vid? |
| [23:34:49] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [23:34:54] | GreyFoxx: | and mythvideo with the internal player |
| [23:34:57] | GreyFoxx: | and dvd iso's |
| [23:34:57] | justinh: | how can I make themes not work on the windows version? AHA! |
| [23:35:04] | ** justinh renames all his themes to end in . ** | |
| [23:35:17] | mchou: | lol |
| [23:35:35] | iamlindoro_: | Hahahaa |
| [23:35:54] | ** mchou wonders if we're gonna get clueless windoze noobs on this channel now ** | |
| [23:35:59] | justinh: | are windows users more generous than linux ones? all this faffing about with svideo might be in vain if I get a new Tv donated |
| [23:36:05] | iamlindoro_: | Most emphatically YES |
| [23:36:09] | iamlindoro_: | god help us all |
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| [23:36:33] | justinh: | join me in #mythtv-users-onlinux |
| [23:36:41] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [23:36:48] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: they cant be all clueless since they still have to set up a linux backend |
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| [23:36:54] | RyeBrye: | Just charge extra for windows users on schedules direct |
| [23:37:02] | GreyFoxx: | Well recordings and livetv work |
| [23:37:03] | iamlindoro_: | mchou: unless they all come in not KNOWING they need to ;) |
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| [23:37:15] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: that was my reasoning, but work on the backend is also going on :( |
| [23:37:25] | sebrock_: | if I enable opengl menus, they render in like 1 frame per 2 seconds... |
| [23:37:29] | gbee: | err, mchou |
| [23:37:34] | sebrock_: | thats no good :/ |
| [23:37:35] | ** justinh imagines the slashdotting.. "teh suckz0r5! you still need linux :(" ** | |
| [23:37:45] | iamlindoro_: | lord knows it's bad enough sometimes with people who actually manage to get *linux* installed |
| [23:37:58] | justinh: | isn't open source fun? ;) |
| [23:38:07] | gbee: | sebrock_: guessing you aren't using the NVidia driver? |
| [23:38:24] | justinh: | but who with commit access is willing to risk being bumped by reverting the changes making the port possible? D |
| [23:38:25] | RyeBrye: | A windows frontend I think is welcomed... a windows backend... not as much |
| [23:38:26] | mchou: | nah, I dont think windows users care. They'll stick with MCE |
| [23:38:47] | RyeBrye: | I wouldn't mind being able to fire up a frontend on my wife's laptop |
| [23:39:02] | mchou: | the barrier to entry for windows users would be too high unless they already have linux running |
| [23:39:23] | RyeBrye: | Can't they consume the videos and stuff via UPNP now? |
| [23:39:36] | RyeBrye: | One fortunate thing for us - |
| [23:39:44] | mzb_d800: | I wouldn't mind being able to connect to my backend from a friend's house (hmm ... starting to sound a little dodgy now;) |
| [23:39:44] | sebrock_: | gbee no |
| [23:39:46] | RyeBrye: | the windows users probably dont' know how to use IRC anyway |
| [23:39:53] | mchou: | RyeBrye: maybe. but someone still needs to do the db plumbing |
| [23:39:54] | sebrock_: | intel... |
| [23:39:59] | MaverickTech: | I would be interested in the frontend, not so much the backend |
| [23:40:11] | sebrock_: | w8, opengl isnt exclusive nvidia is it? |
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| [23:40:14] | iamlindoro_: | No, we'll get mIRC with lots of colors and flashing ASCII |
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| [23:40:17] | RyeBrye: | openGL is open |
| [23:40:26] | gbee: | I hope so, don't get me wrong, but I don't rate your average Windows user too highly and I fear we'll drown in support requests and mailing list trolling |
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| [23:40:30] | justinh: | MaverickTech: yeah I mean I want my frontend to boot slower, and need to have a local disk of some sort |
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| [23:40:45] | RyeBrye: | just make a new mailing list... |
| [23:40:49] | RyeBrye: | mythv-windows |
| [23:40:50] | justinh: | fork! |
| [23:40:52] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [23:40:56] | RyeBrye: | Just fork the userbase... not the code :) |
| [23:40:59] | mchou: | gbee: I think your fears are overinfinflated |
| [23:41:07] | justinh: | yersky bersky booo.. dee doo. fork fork fork? ;) |
| [23:41:16] | RyeBrye: | lol |
| [23:41:30] | sebrock_: | gbee, what did you mean? is it only working for nvidia? |
| [23:41:38] | RyeBrye: | More developers might come in as a result though... |
| [23:41:43] | mchou: | most windows user will attempt it and fail, and just opt for MCE or Snapstream or some such |
| [23:41:49] | RyeBrye: | Yeah |
| [23:41:54] | gbee: | forking the userbase seems like a good idea, create a windows mailing list/website/irc and put big fences up around the linux camp |
| [23:42:00] | RyeBrye: | MCE does have some cool features we haven't gotten yet... |
| [23:42:18] | justinh: | RyeBrye: like scheduled restarts in the background |
| [23:42:19] | mchou: | RyeBrye: like? |
| [23:42:39] | RyeBrye: | The vista version has some cool sports-score thing that you can pull down when you are watching a show and it will show you all the scores... and you can scroll over games and if you have a channel they are being broadcast on you can switch to it |
| [23:42:43] | iamlindoro_: | The *only* reason I could see the backend being a good thing on windows is if someone managed a way to get it to interface with cablecards |
| [23:42:51] | RyeBrye: | Oh, yeah – that would be sweet |
| [23:42:55] | RyeBrye: | hack the planet |
| [23:43:00] | justinh: | RyeBrye: you need the data source for that |
| [23:43:10] | gbee: | sebrock_: you really need hardware accelerated opengl, can't say if it's supposed to work with Ati/Intel since I've never read any user reports on that subject |
| [23:43:13] | GreyFoxx: | My only question is , for the cablecard stuff in mce... Is that all done by drivers that mythbackend could use to let people record from cablecard sources? oris it actually in the MCE binaries ? |
| [23:43:15] | RyeBrye: | Yeah – you need a data source, and you need the time to program in the sexy OSD |
| [23:43:36] | justinh: | nothing on a computer is sexy damnit |
| [23:43:39] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [23:43:40] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: you know windows and cablecard is a serious joke, right? |
| [23:43:44] | iamlindoro_: | Then just make it a slave backend that I pretend doesn't exist and if anyone asks, that PC runs BeOS and the graphics card is burnt out |
| [23:44:02] | iamlindoro_: | mchou, yes, I'm away cablecard b lows, but I'd appreciate even a hacked route to sidestepping 5C |
| [23:44:06] | iamlindoro_: | er aware |
| [23:44:09] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: it's basically really not much better than vaporware |
| [23:44:24] | sebrock_: | gbee well i use intel open drivers now, everything else is accelerated just fine. But cant get the nice transitions in images etc in myth |
| [23:44:28] | mzb_d800: | justinh: I beg to differ ... I've got some machines here that still give me a hard on ;) |
| [23:44:38] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [23:44:43] | justinh: | to each their own |
| [23:44:46] | mzb_d800: | hx4700 has a "sexy" screen |
| [23:45:03] | mzb_d800: | vax4000/100 has "sexy" internal bandwidth, etc, etc |
| [23:45:05] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: in fact it's worse than vaporware because you spend $$$ and time only to find out it doesnt work |
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| [23:45:39] | sebrock_: | btw, is the frontend suppsoed to collect IMDB info automaticly? |
| [23:45:40] | RyeBrye: | I thought I read somewhere that people hacked the HD TiVo to get recordings off of it... but It was just a comment on a board so I didn't think much of it |
| [23:45:53] | GreyFoxx: | sebrock_: no |
| [23:45:53] | iamlindoro_: | mchou, the point is it *can* work and that's a better option than some users have for overcoming 5C/DRM |
| [23:46:00] | GreyFoxx: | you have to tell it to for each video |
| [23:46:06] | iamlindoro_: | even if it anecdotally is difficult/near impossible to set up |
| [23:46:14] | RyeBrye: | 5c = teh suck |
| [23:46:20] | mzb_d800: | GreyFoxx: that depends on your grabber |
| [23:46:24] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: that's like saying a broken clock "works" 2x per day |
| [23:46:37] | gbee: | sebrock_: what do you mean automatically? You have to ask it to grab the data for a video by pressing M (Menu) in the Video Manager screen (mythvideo only) |
| [23:46:37] | GreyFoxx: | mzb: the frontend still will not doing it automatically |
| [23:46:49] | RyeBrye: | That broken clock can work 3x per day if it's on a day when daylight savings time is being changed over |
| [23:46:49] | gbee: | good thing too |
| [23:46:58] | mzb_d800: | GreyFoxx: no ... the frontend doesn't do it anyway ;) |
| [23:47:03] | iamlindoro_: | mchou, cablecard is hardly comparable to a completely non-functional device. they *can* work, they *have* worked... they suck. But they are hardly a black screen for everyone. |
| [23:47:07] | mzb_d800: | it should be done by the master backend |
| [23:47:09] | mzb_d800: | (only) |
| [23:47:21] | sebrock_: | gbee, I thought just by putting files in a folder automaticly--- nevermind I think this is great :D |
| [23:47:27] | gbee: | mzb_d800: we're talking about mythvideo |
| [23:47:31] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: no, the issue is not cablecard. the issue is windows + cablecard |
| [23:47:32] | gbee: | which is frontend only |
| [23:47:43] | iamlindoro_: | mchou: which *can* and does for some function fine. |
| [23:47:55] | mzb_d800: | oh, my mistake, I'll pull my head in and get more caffeine ;) |
| [23:47:58] | iamlindoro_: | ergo it is NOT a completely non-fuctional device... just buggy and a terrible idea. |
| [23:48:05] | gbee: | sebrock_: it doesn't work that way because what if that folder was full of home videos? |
| [23:48:39] | GreyFoxx: | or your porn collection |
| [23:48:49] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: I'd just start with HDTivo insteadof crappy MCE+cablecard |
| [23:48:51] | iamlindoro_: | IMDB has porn :) |
| [23:48:51] | GreyFoxx: | would you want the pc constantly trying to update info from imdb for it ?:) |
| [23:49:08] | mzb_d800: | that would depend on the quality of your porn I guess ;) |
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| [23:50:20] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: does windows ver work with nuv? |
| [23:50:44] | sebrock_: | gbee you are right |
| [23:50:47] | GreyFoxx: | I don't have any to specifically test that |
| [23:50:54] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: I'd expect mpeg2, but nuv would be a different matter |
| [23:51:00] | GreyFoxx: | but I would be very suprised if it didn;'t since that's done internal to myth |
| [23:51:02] | gbee: | mchou: can't think of a reason it wouldn't play back any format that the linux version can |
| [23:51:21] | GreyFoxx: | we just use directshow for output not decoding |
| [23:51:52] | GreyFoxx: | this might allow for purevideo output/decoding eventually under windows |
| [23:52:34] | mchou: | well, when mpeg4 is for real in vidcards |
| [23:53:42] | justinh: | fack. gonna have to upgrade X |
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| [23:59:45] | sebrock_: | last thing before I go to bed: using mplayer only the movie is correct fullscreen, menus etc just covers a 4:3 part in the center of my 16:9 TV |
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