Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, December 4th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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sxealex:

i know

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sxealex:

didnt know if anyone was around

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sxealex:

i hunted every bt of myth tv and mysql on my comp and destroyed it

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sxealex:

hehe

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sxealex:

reinstalling now

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iamlindoro:

jgoo, I use a Zalman HD 160, full ATX, looks great. Mine's not right under the TV but would look good there.

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directhex:

he ran away

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iamlindoro:

ah, curse my inferior reading skills

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gbee:

new preview of Metallurgy, the MythMusic, MythVideo, MythNews, MythFlix and MythControls plugins are all themed, some tweaks and graphics updated – http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html

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gbee:

not far to go now until it will be ready for a proper release

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XChatMav:

that's a nice looking theme

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** XChatMav is 4:3, so will not be able to take advantage **

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DustyBin:

nice looking theme!

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fryfrog:

does anyone recall where the min free space setting is in the UI or what it is called in the db?

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DustyBin:

fryfrog: free disk space can be viewed with mythweb

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mzb_d800:

gbee: looking good, any particular reason if won't work on 4:3? (ie. scale?)

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mzb_d800:

s/if/that

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fryfrog:

DustyBin: i'm looking for the auto-expire setting when X amount of disk space is unavailable

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DustyBin:

im not sure where that is

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fryfrog:

me either :(

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fryfrog:

I'm not even sure of the proper term/name for the setting, and I am not having much luck scouring the db :/

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gbee:

mzb_d800: you can try it, but it's designed for 16:9 so the images will be squashed and text may not fit perfectly

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mzb_d800:

ok, thanks

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fryfrog:

gbee: did you have picture previewws of it or?

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

i'm freakikng blind :)

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mzb_d800:

maybe if I permanently set to 16:9 on a 4:3? (acquired a 48" rptv the other day)

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fryfrog:

wow, that is hot gbee

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fryfrog:

you going to put it into svn themes trunk?

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gbee:

fryfrog: most likely

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fryfrog:

nice

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gbee:

not finished yet though and as soon as I do finish, I'll be working on the mythui port, so it will have to be updated to work with that ;)

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fryfrog:

gbee: is the osd included in the theme?

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mzb_d800:

fryfrog: AutoExpireExtraSpace

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gbee:

knowing me, I'll probably be tweaking it right up until 0.21 goes out the door

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gbee:

fryfrog: yeah

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jams:

fryfrog- page 2 tvsettings genersl

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fryfrog:

i didn't realize it could be in the same place

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fryfrog:

jams: awesome, thanks

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fryfrog:

i mean, osd/theme in the same menu, that is

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gbee:

fryfrog: theme and OSD both require trunk

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fryfrog:

trunk from a couple days ago okay?

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gbee:

aye

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gbee:

fryfrog: you can roll all three theme types menu, UI and OSD into one directory

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fryfrog:

cool :)

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gbee:

they are still selected seperately in the settings though

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jams:

gbee didn't you say that it was bedtime about 20 min ago

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dec:

i'm reading through the wiki but i haven't found an answer to my question... if i'm running a separate backend and frontend – the backend needs lots of disk space. does the frontend? can i store everything (downloaded tv shows, dvds that i've ripped to xvid, etc) on my backend and stream to the frontend via myth protocol?

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gbee:

jams: I did :)

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** gbee pries himself away and _really_ goes to bed **

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iamlindoro:

dec, you can store everything on the backend, but only TV get's streamed... you have to NFS or SAMBA mount the rest

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dec:

iamlindoro: ok that's what i'm trying to figure out. all of my file storage is on a separate, third server and is iscsi mounted across to the frontend and backend

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iamlindoro:

should be fine, as long as it's accessible via all machines, and to minimize complications you probably ought to mount all in the same places

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dec:

iamlindoro: does only *live* TV get streamed, or do recorded TV shows get streamed too?

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iamlindoro:

recorded also

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dec:

so I could theoretically have one big iscsi mountpoint, mounted on both frontend and backend? and they could share that without issue?

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iamlindoro:

Correct

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DustyBin:

if i apt-get install mythweb it trys to install mythtv-common :(

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iamlindoro:

presuming your network is fast enough, that is

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dec:

it's all gigabit – and if that's not enoguh I will put in a new switch with 802.3ad support and get some LACP happening. :)

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dec:

iamlindoro: thanks for your help.

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iamlindoro:

no prob

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iamlindoro:

gig should be moooore than enogh

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iamlindoro:

er enough

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dec:

I am hoping so :)

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dec:

I doubt my fileserver will be pushing 128MB/sec :)

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fryfrog:

gbee: so is that supposed to look a bit like brushed gold sort of?

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fryfrog:

oh, nm, he wents to bed

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clever:

my 100mbit is able to pipe the nfs to all my fe's

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clever:

and even if you dont use nfs and stream thru the abckend the network still needs to be fast enough

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clever:

all tv myth records can be streamed thru the backend if not found localy(like nfs)

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sxealex:

can some one have a look at my config file

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sxealex:

http://pastebin.com/mbe2b3f2

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fryfrog:

SD and HD are bandwidth trivial, unless you are trying to do it over wireless

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sxealex:

i was tryin gto mythbuntu and the dependencies failed everytime i tried to reinstall

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fryfrog:

the "highest" HD is only 19mbit/sec, so with overhead you *should* be able to do 2–4 streams of HD I'd wager

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clever:

SD over 802.11B just bearly maxes it out(mpeg4 2200bitrate)

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fryfrog:

yar, i'd skip a wireless network for any myth if *possible* but i'd be okay using it for SD

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clever:

for a while my laptop FE was on wifi

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clever:

portable tv

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fryfrog:

but SD, right?

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clever:

no hd in the house here

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fryfrog:

wow, HD over wireless went okay?

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jams:

sxealex- try #ubuntu-mythtv

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clever:

havent had hd tv here before

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jams:

looks to me like the password is wrong

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clever:

and i dont even have a hardware encoder for analog

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sxealex:

yep im there

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sxealex:

i was just directed to the trouble shooting page

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sxealex:

ive been over it like 10 t imes

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iamlindoro:

sxealex, just to be sure, make sure libqt3-mt-mysql is installed

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fryfrog:

sxealex: what happens when you try it via command line?

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fryfrog:

like "mysql -u <user> -p mythconverg"?

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sxealex:

should i do it logged in as root

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sxealex:

or as my user

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fryfrog:

doesn't matter

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sxealex:

k

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sxealex:

one sec

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fryfrog:

mysql has its own users

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fryfrog:

from your file, it'd be "mysql -u mythtv -p -h localhost mythconverg"

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fryfrog:

and it'll prompt you for pass, which you'd put "ZY77FI17"

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fryfrog:

unless you scrambled it for pastebin

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fryfrog:

if it opens w/o error, try "show tables;" to see if there is anything *in* your db

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fryfrog:

and while you are at it, tell us about your install. is this debian, fedora? did you install from svn? packages? etc

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sxealex:

access denied

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fryfrog:

there ya go

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fryfrog:

you've simply flubbed something up

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fryfrog:

once you get *that* working, you'll be okay

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sxealex:

hrmm

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sxealex:

i hope so

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sxealex:

brb ill try to fix that again

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fryfrog:

probably just need to a) create the mythtv user b) set the password on mythtv user (in mysql) c) set the proper host mask or d) all of the above

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fryfrog:

anyway, im off!

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sxealex:

thanks

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sxealex:

if its local host

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sxealex:

i can use that for everything

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sxealex:

correct

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sxealex:

?

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sxealex:

localhost*

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black_Nightmare_:

hey :p

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black_Nightmare_:

hm quiet night

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Toxicity999:

Woooo my mtyhbox (frontend) is down to 800mb total now.

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Toxicity999:

booting in about 5 minutes, which is pretty good for this hardware.

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** black_Nightmare_ is still just a bit annoyed with the bios+post time yet on my system **

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black_Nightmare_:

guess I can't help it perhaps tho

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Toxicity999:

maybe it's linux biosable, a few desktop boards are now.

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black_Nightmare_:

toxicity..heh umm..I don't think an intel 440EX is on that list..or is it? :p

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black_Nightmare_:

^-^

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm

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black_Nightmare_:

I forgot..where was that umm bios thing site again

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black_Nightmare_:

-_-

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mzb_d800:

iirc there were some bx boards that were supported

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Toxicity999:

Here's waiting for the MSI K8N series >.>

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rushfan:

Whats a bash command to add all files in a directory to an iso? (if anyone should know)

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rushfan:

Like some kind of recursive thing for mkisofs

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black_Nightmare_:

hm I found linuxbios and seem there's no 440EX in list but the pci-isa bridge does seem to be useable tho

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rushfan:

Im too lazy to burn this to a DVD and dont want to type all the .vob names

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Toxicity999:

rushfan point /your/dir/*.vob as the input?

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Toxicity999:

or most shells would take /your/dir/** I believe

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Pogonip_:

I keep getting decoderMAD: failed to open input on my remote frontend whenever I try to play music. The FE can see the music on the backend but wont play it. Any ideas?

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lightning:

Q, was going to setup a user job to auto-encode my shows. My question is, how will mythtv respond if i delete the original file, will it auto-expire the new file, if i overwrite the original with the new, will mythtv still play it?

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dotCOMmie:

Is it possible to change priority on "watch tv" so if my tuner is recording something to have it automatically cancel recoding when I select watch tv?

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rushfan:

Wtf. Mythtv worked fine 2 seconds again. Now its broken. I didnt even change a damn thing

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** rushfan stabs mythtv **

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rushfan:

2007-12–03 22:25:40.193 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo

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rushfan:

oh Im an idiot

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rushfan:

/video is out of space :(

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lightning:

that would do it

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lightning:

that is why i'm trying to allow for auto-transcode but afraid of mythtv not removing the file later

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fryfrog:

i *think* if you use the built in transcoding (or myth based utilities) they are transcoded in place

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fryfrog:

you'd of course have to use something the built in player understands, i'm pretty sure?

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fryfrog:

honestly though, i just delete stuff after i'm done, so i don't bother with any transcoding

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fryfrog:

that and 2.1TB of space :)

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rushfan:

Im going to buy a 500gb drive for videos

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rushfan:

right now Im only on a 250gb drive for my whole system

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fryfrog:

8x 320G in RAID5

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fryfrog:

with 2x 80G RAID1 for "system"

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Gumby:

hi all. I am using mythtv and just got bell expressvu satellite. I want mythtv to be able to download listings for expressvu. Ive added the source to my sources list but when I run mythfilldatabase no listings seem to be downloaded. I see the following message "No channels are configured to use grabber".

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Gumby:

Is there a way to get mythfilldatabase to grab the listings?

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clever:

Gumby: i beleive you need to link the datasource to a input before it gets any channels from it

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Gumby:

clever, hrm, ok. I'll try that when I get home.

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clever:

that would be in mythtv-setup

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Gumby:

I know it wont work properly for watching tv until I have an ir transmitter setup/configured. All I want right now is to be able to use mythtv and the listings.

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rushfan:

How many people here use that xml listing serivce? I just have a scrubber

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Gumby:

maybe I can fake it from here by editing the mysql db

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clever:

you would need to know what tables to edit and what to set them to

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clever:

if you can ssh thru you can remotely run mythtv-setyp

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clever:

ssh -X mythtv@mythbackend

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clever:

mythtv-setup

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Gumby:

yeah but its so slow

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Gumby:

I swear it takes 20 mins for the page to show up. it sits at the splash screen for ages

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clever:

using it without ssh would be faster but less secure

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clever:

i only use it directly over plain tcp within my lan and over my vpn

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clever:

over the lan its allmost realtime and works for nearly any prog

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Gumby:

I believe the info I need to change is in the cardinput table

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Gumby:

oh well, I'll try when I get home. thx for the info clever

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clever:

:)

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jhulst:

Is there a page that lists new features in SVN as compared to .20.2?

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clever:

damnit

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clever:

video on the tv is breaking up

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clever:

vid&aud damage(digital damage)

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clever:

the digital breakup is anoying

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Gumby:

oh, got it to work. it was by setting one of the sourceid in the cardinput tables to the sourceid number of the expressvu listings I have setup at schedulesdirect

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clever:

yeah that sounds about right:)

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Gumby:

...sourceid number in the videosources table..

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Gumby:

only problem is that now that card wont work properly I assume

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Gumby:

hehe

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clever:

you may need to go into the channel setup now and scan/fetch the channels for the source

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clever:

which would populate the channels table

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Gumby:

maybe I can create a third capturecard, a fake one

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Gumby:

it has already scanned/fetched the channel info

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clever:

try a filldb and then check the listings in mythweb

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Gumby:

already done

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Gumby:

worked great

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clever:

:)

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Gumby:

but of course that card isnt going to record or show tv anymore as its now associated with the expressvu account

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clever:

i had tried that awhile ago when at a hotel more to just get a guide i could flip thru

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Gumby:

so maybe I can create a third card manually in the db and then revert the original card back to my regular cable provider

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clever:

but i didnt make a fake input to link it to so it didnt work

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Gumby:

the third card would be a fake one.

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** Gumby tries **

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clever:

my card has multiple inputs

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clever:

so i could link the coax to 1 act and the svideo to the digital and the composite to the sat

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Gumby:

ah right

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Gumby:

good iea

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Gumby:

idea

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clever:

but it may try to record from an input thats not connected to anything

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Gumby:

but if I set my recordings to record on specific channels then that should be fine

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clever:

yeah

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Gumby:

as the input that isnt really valid will be associated to a whole different channel set

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clever:

i have a few things set to any channel

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Gumby:

I'll just have to be sure that I dont

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Gumby:

BRILLIANT!

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clever:

when i started i had myth set to beep loudly when trying to change channels

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clever:

and echo the number to a file

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clever:

then i manualy changed the tuner:P

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Gumby:

the crappy thing is, the listings dont populate the PPV channels. lol

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Gumby:

thats all I really wanted

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i deleted those from SD and myth

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clever:

i dont pay for them so all they do is takeup space in the program table and probly slow scheduling

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Gumby:

I dont pay for them either, but that doesnt mean I dont watch them ;)

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Toxicity999:

Anyone know anything about all of these CRT projector plans? I mean, I know you can from scratch build one, but some claim to just be a lens you stick on your CRT TV, no rebuilding... I don't see how that'd work very well.

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clever:

ive seen ones for a lcd display

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clever:

an lcd display is basicaly a computer controled color FILTER

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clever:

with a bright white light behind it

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clever:

tear it appart

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clever:

drop on a high school wall projector

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clever:

and your done

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Toxicity999:

right, that's the definition of a projector, lol. I know how they work in general. LCD projectors aren't that hot though, in general CRTs can be better.

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rushfan:

Just get an actual projector

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rushfan:

Then you dont risk burning your house down

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clever:

that may cost more

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clever:

you could get a 1$ lcd display with a broken backlight:P

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rushfan:

meh, Im happy w/ my DLP projecto

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clever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWlsPfPZTdc looks interesting

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lightning:

why does the livetv entry display 52 entries? how do i get mthtv to clean them up faster?

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clever:

<60 euroes

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lightning:

it is chewing thru the hd

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clever:

it will delete them after 2 days

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clever:

or when you go under a certain ammount of free space

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lightning:

only been running less than 24 hours

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rushfan:

lightning: well you coul delete them yourself I guess

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rushfan:

but yeah that annoys me too

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rushfan:

I wish it deleted them when I was done watching

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Toxicity999:

clever That's true too.

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lightning:

i agree with rushfan, i'd just expect that i changed channels, delete the livetv entry

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clever:

you may want to watch it again latter

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lightning:

or a new show started and it has been x time past, delete

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lightning:

then i should have told it to save :)

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clever:

i beleive all livetv shows are on autoexpire normaly

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clever:

so they will be deleted when you hit the min free space(1gig by default)

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lightning:

yep, let's record from 11pm till 3am :P

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lightning:

then another movie... and another...

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kdubya:

i wish there was an option to "only use X gigs for recordings"

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kdubya:

as well as the mininimum free space thing

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kdubya:

minmum

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kdubya:

whatver, you know what that word was supposed to be

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clever:

if myth is set to keep 2gig free then it will get as many recordings as posible and not get in the way of other things using the box

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clever:

aslong as those other things cant use 2gig in 10mins

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kdubya:

well yeah

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kdubya:

uninstalled wine and the couple games i had on there, and then went i went back to install them a couple days later

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kdubya:

myth had helped itself to the space

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clever:

as you use the remaining space up myth will get out of the way

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kdubya:

the "leave at least 1 gig free" setting is only helpful to people adding HD space all the time

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devsforev:

Good afternoon everyone. I just recently added a second frontend to my mythtv setup. I am able to view livetv and recordings just fine. However, when I attempt to use the MythVideo plugin to play other videos on this new frontend, it fails. I went into video manager, and it appears that this new frontend it trying to look for the files in the directory that the other frontend is (specifically, /data/fileserver/Movies & /data/files

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lightning:

when the menu is displayed, is there a way to have the tv in the background vs in the corner?

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kdubya:

yeah, i have to go in there and change the setting and then wait

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kdubya:

lightning, no

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lightning:

awe

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kdubya:

devsforev, still have not figured out the whole IRC single line limit thing i see

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kdubya:

hehe

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kdubya:

heh*

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devsforev:

kdubya: guess not, haha

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clever:

devsforev: just mount the dir's mythvideo uses via nfs to the same point on all FE's

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devsforev:

clever: what if the main setup is a frontend/backend combo, while my the other is just a frontend connecting to the existing backend?

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clever:

devsforev: you still need a nfs mount between the 2 so the videos are at the same path on all boxes

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clever:

mythbackend cant stream stuff for mythvideo

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kdubya:

devsforev, mythvideo does not stream from the backend

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kdubya:

it needs to be able to see the file on the filesystem

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devsforev:

is it possible to use samba? I already have that in place, and can view the directory right now. I will use NFS if required, but if I don't need to then I won't

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kdubya:

yeah of course

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devsforev:

kdubya: alright, sweet

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clever:

any network based fs would work

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clever:

or you could just copy the files over so both boxes have identical space eating copys:P

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devsforev:

never, haha

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kdubya:

I would set up NFS so that the path to the videos is the same on all frontends

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devsforev:

okay, i will investigate my options with that

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clever:

i have most of my videos&tvrecordings on /media/mainlv(on lvm on the master)

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devsforev:

thanks everyone

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clever:

and i nfs share that entire thing to all the frontends

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clever:

i even threw mythconverg in there so the mysql server didnt have to be on the master

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devsforev:

clever: i'm obviously going to have to play around more with multiple frontends before I get the hang of it

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clever:

ive got about 4 fe's(one on the master)

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clever:

just today i had to fix the mythvideo on 1

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clever:

it was centered on /media/videos which was missing

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kdubya:

four frontends

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kdubya:

you are my hero

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clever:

and the shows i wanted where in /media/videos/mainlv which was a missing symlink to /media/mainlv/videos/

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clever:

kdubya: i have about 6 computers on atm

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devsforev:

profound.... i like this

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kdubya:

haha

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clever:

the redhat9 can bearly run X with its ram so myth is never gonna work(and its a 2.4 kernel)

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clever:

the router is headless so no point in putting myth on it

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devsforev:

i really need to get a UPS for my backend...

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clever:

my redhat9 is on a ups

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kdubya:

6 computers on 24–7

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clever:

over 200 day uptime

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kdubya:

thats got to add like $30 to your electric bill

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devsforev:

LMAO

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clever:

im planing on making a ups for one of my computers

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devsforev:

... making a UPS?

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clever:

the desktop is on a tv stand(with wheels) and id like to move it between rooms

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devsforev:

thats possible? lol

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kdubya:

wouldnt buying one be way easier

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clever:

without powering it down

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clever:

all you realy need to do is wire up a 12v inverter to a 12v batery and a 12v charger

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kdubya:

or you could just wait for one to go on sale

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devsforev:

hell... i don't need my car battery anyway...

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kdubya:

free after rebate sometimes

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clever:

the '12v charger' i used last time was just a 12v suply and it wasnt putting out enough current

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clever:

so the batery took the leftover and drained down

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clever:

i have over 10 12v baterys in the laundry room

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clever:

i could easily get 120v DC

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devsforev:

clever: your washer runs on 12v batteries?

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devsforev:

j/k

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clever:

no they are simply stored there:P

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clever:

but i could easily get the current ups to run off that for posibly days if i wired all of those in

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clever:

run a 12v line to the comp on the desk and its inverter will have plenty of power

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clever:

still havent found the wifi card so the pc will need to be on a tether

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clever:

but the 12 line is alot lighter then the 120 extension cord

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clever:

and i can just run it along side the ethernet line

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devsforev:

I can't wait until my finals are over so I can just play around with my mythbox for a good week, haha

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kdubya:

you could just not study

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clever:

i was kicked out of school back in 2004

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clever:

i got all the time i want:P

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devsforev:

My one big accomplishment on my mythbox is having SlingPlayer running to steal my satellite TV from home over 4.5 hours away, haha

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devsforev:

for the channels I don't get

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clever:

lol:)

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clever:

ive got a dish on the roof thats just being wasted atm

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clever:

paying for digital CABLE

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clever:

how many channels might i get unencryped(legaly free) you think?

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kdubya:

if you are like me

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kdubya:

0 over qam and 0 over firewire

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clever:

lol

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clever:

no sat box for the tv

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clever:

no firewire on the digital box

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clever:

was just thinking if i got a dvb-s card and proper hardware how much i could get without a monthly fee

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kdubya:

oh

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kdubya:

i dont know how that works

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kdubya:

i wouldnt think there would be anything other than the broadcast networks on there

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clever:

im not even shure what provider the thing is pointing at

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clever:

but what ive read online makes it sound like the dish/horn(lnb) seem nearly universal

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clever:

would http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/accessories/5a20/ work with mythtv?

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kdubya:

i have one

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clever:

works good?

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kdubya:

i have since dumped the remote but i am using the reciever still

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kdubya:

yeah

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clever:

ahh:)

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kdubya:

its the only one i have ever used

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clever:

you think its worth the 29$?

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kdubya:

yeah

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clever:

:)

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clever:

now to see how much i got in paypal

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kdubya:

i think you can get it cheaper from the alchemy something site

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kdubya:

eh only $2 cheaper

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clever:

lol

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clever:

9.80 in paypal:P

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kdubya:

i used paypal for the first time in 5 years today

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kdubya:

i logged in to find my address set as the place i lived in high school

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clever:

lol

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clever:

trying to figure out whre you go to withdraw money from the bank(into paypal)

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kdubya:

and $15, nice suprise

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clever:

they moved things about

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clever:

should put more into my act at the bank tomorow

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t0ny-p40:

My pvr-150 keeps locking up.

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t0ny-p40:

And wont record till I power my system all the way off.

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bsdfox_:

t0ny-p40: what do the logs say

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t0ny-p40:

Has any one ever have that happen?

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t0ny-p40:

2007-12–03 20:21:09.693 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding

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bsdfox_:

what version of ivtv?

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t0ny-p40:

How do I tell?

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t0ny-p40:

I'm running fedora

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bsdfox_:

not sure on fedora

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kdubya:

i think it is amazing that you can get it to record with your system powered off

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t0ny-p40:

I know! :)

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bsdfox_:

I'm using 1.0.3-r1

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t0ny-p40:

Sucks because I cant watch it while its off :P

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t0ny-p40:

1,0.3–135.fc7

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t0ny-p40:

yum list | grep ivtv :)

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kdubya:

upgrade to f8 and hope that fixes it

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t0ny-p40:

I dont want too :(

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

it really takes no effort

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t0ny-p40:

I've been running fedora for a few months

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kdubya:

livna was a little gay about it

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kdubya:

but everything else upgraded fine with yum

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t0ny-p40:

I hope my card is not dying. :/

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lightning:

Q, is there a "go back to main menu" button (besides escape) no matter what is on the screen? reason i ask is i'd like to map it to the tv power input. tv turned off, go back to the main menu

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kdubya:

ive seen the questions a few times

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clever:

lightning: using the mythcontrols plugin you can set a jumppoint

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kdubya:

which suggests if that if that feature isnt there is probably should be

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clever:

so when you hit the set key it goes directly to the mainmenu

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clever:

i used that to make getting easy to the recorded list and upcoming recordings easy

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lightning:

clever, thanks. i didnt know of it

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clever:

once mythcontrols is in properly it will show up under the settings on the FE

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cmoates:

Anyone ever tried to use this card before (or something similar)? http://www.vistaview.tv/saber-da-1n1-e.html

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RabidLockerGnome:

hey, anyone awake?

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cmoates:

maybe

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RabidLockerGnome:

probably not when i say i have a problem :-\

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cmoates:

depends on the problem ;)

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RabidLockerGnome:

well, im on ubuntu

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RabidLockerGnome:

did normal install of all the myth stuff, and mysql wont let me do anything

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cmoates:

well, what do you mean by that, exactly?

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RabidLockerGnome:

like if i just try to do 'mysql' in the terminal, it tells me i dont have rights or something

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cmoates:

ok, well

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RabidLockerGnome:

access denied for user root@localhost (using password:no)

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cmoates:

Yeah

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cmoates:

So, do you know what the root mysql password is set to?

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RabidLockerGnome:

yes

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cmoates:

ok

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cmoates:

so

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cmoates:

mysql -p

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cmoates:

That will prompt you for a password

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RabidLockerGnome:

ah-ha

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RabidLockerGnome:

ooh i forgot about the lappie...

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fxr:

does anyone know what nvidia drivers i should use for a 5200 card, ve fiddled with settings on in xorg.conf , myth for nearly a day now, and i just cant work out what is causing the tearing on my playback.. i am considering using older drivers as my setup worked flawlessly on muthdora til i had to replace my motherboard

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fxr:

i use mythbuntu fwiw and if anyone cares ;s

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justinh:

Nvidia drivers, as in _nvidia_ not _nv_

[07:30:36]

justinh:

could be your refresh rate is wrong for the kind of video you're trying to play back

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justinh:

could be that opengl vsync is enabled but not working (or conversely, it isn't enabled.. or even that it's not enabled and not working)

[07:31:33]

fxr:

yeah.. but what version of the properiatry drivers.. ? i can only assume this is my issue.. ve copied over my xorg.conf from a backup and tried every combination in myth settings..

[07:32:49]

fxr:

and the tearing only seems to happen in certain channels which is seems even more strange

[07:33:30]

Anduin:

fxr: You should check which vsync mechanism is actually being used

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fxr:

how do i do that?

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justinh:

you might even have 'tearing' confused with interlace artifacts

[07:35:04]

fxr:

yeah.. it seems to ghost stuff from the old channel.. when i change it [sometimes]

[07:35:19]

fxr:

is that interlace issue or a 'tearing' issue?

[07:36:29]

justinh:

what do you mean by 'it seems to ghost stuff' ?

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Anduin:

fxr: the sync mechanism is displayed in the frontend log with -v playback

[07:37:21]

fxr:

some of the picture from the old channel remains on screen when i change it, [for a while and only with some channels]

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Anduin:

fxr: what capture card?

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fxr:

hauppagge pvr-150

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justinh:

could be temporal DNR at play there

[07:39:10]

fxr:

as i say everything was fine in mythdora.. and the last version of myth..

[07:39:21]

justinh:

when I used a pvr-150 the video initially looked 'echoey' because the temporal DNR was set to a silly value by default

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Anduin:

fxr: The version of myth isn't causing the ghosting

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justinh:

the version of ivtv (the driver for the pvr150) might be though – or rather the default settings of it

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RabidLockerGnome:

uggg cannot connect to master backend server :-(

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fxr:

ok.. that sounds like something pursuing, where do can i learn about these default settings justinh

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justinh:

just use v4l2-ctl to turn the DNR off & see how it looks

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fxr:

ok, thanks ll see if i make some sense of that

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justinh:

already found a note where it says in ivtv 0.10.0 they changed the default setting to off

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justinh:

heheheh

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justinh:

actually that one was changed a while agi

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justinh:

*ago

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fxr:

ok... fair enough.. so i can rule that out..

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justinh:

no you can't

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fxr:

oh.. ok .. ll check now then, ve somehow managed to screw my xorg.conf up again..

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RabidLockerGnome:

crap, im just getting a blue screen in watch-tv mode

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fxr:

cant work out how to make it tell me if DNR is on or off..

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justinh:

v4l2-ctl -C will tell you what the codec parameters are

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RabidLockerGnome:

justinh, u know anything about these blue screens?

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RabidLockerGnome:

im thinking its an ati thing

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justinh:

only thing I know about blue screens is that Windows is responsible in most cases

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fxr:

cant for the life of me work out the name of the control .. v4l2-ctl -C dnr and variations of are giving unknown controls...

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fxr:

haha

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RabidLockerGnome:

hehe

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fxr:

getting very close to blowing away this mythbuntu.. and going back to mythdora... hmmm

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Anduin:

fxr: -l will list all controls

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fxr:

oh aye.. cheers Anduin .. how'd i miss that, betraying my noobieness no doub

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justinh:

just -C will list what the controls are set to right now

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justinh:

only -C

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justinh:

as in, -C on its own.. e.g. v4l2-ctl -C

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fxr:

its not playing , it just gives me the help page

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Anduin:

justinh: Isn't that old ivtv-ctrl?

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justinh:

syntax has prolly changed then. ah well

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fxr:

Unknown argument `(null)'

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justinh:

I thought they'd only changed the command name

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justinh:

anyway, isn't changing distros when something doesn't work out a bit rash?

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fxr:

aye i know justin, m loathe to do it.. m off the 'keep working til you get working school of thought' .. but .. its the only way of getting tv into the house.. and its been over a week since my motherboard blew up.. and its looks like i have hit a 10ft brick wall here

[08:22:00]

fxr:

p.s no mention of anything like dnr for them ivtv controls.. some temporal stuff.. but heh

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Dibblah:

Ummm... Temporal filters _are_ DNR...

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fxr:

oh.. right i c.. a lot of this is right over my head. :s but thanks

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fxr:

if off anyway.. mythdora here i come..

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justinh:

argghhhhh. stupid ducking need for floppies in this ducking day and age!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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justinh:

isn't it about time motherboard manufacturers provided a boot cd that can read a USB stick or something? if the chip was socketed I'd already have it programmed

[08:53:04]

Tanthrix:

Anyone ever hear of any issues that cause prebuffering pauses during liveTV, as long as you're close to being live?

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Tanthrix:

(IE, if I'm practically live I start getting prebuffering pauses. If I pause and wait about 10 seconds then press play, they cease completely.)

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justinh:

yeah that's a very well known problem

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Tanthrix:

Interesting – any idea on the source, or how to fix it?

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justinh:

just think – if you only watched recordings you'd never see it :)

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Tanthrix:

I almost never do, so it's not an issue. I'm just bored, and thought I'd see if it's something I can remedy ;)

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justinh:

there's no proper fix for it yet AFAIK. only pausing

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Tanthrix:

Though, the gf does like watching livetv here and there

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justinh:

though I think there might be a fix coming soon in the form of some bufferring changes & whatnot

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Tanthrix:

It seems like it's a new-ish bug if I'm not mistaken. I never had it until I got my new system, so I was wondering if it was something wrong on my end. Maybe something to do with all the timer issues I was having

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justinh:

no it's far from new

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justinh:

goes all the way back to 0.19

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Tanthrix:

Glad to hear it actually. I prefer that to mysterious unfixable problems on my own system

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Tanthrix:

Not that I wish bugs on MythTV, of course! ;)

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justinh:

livetv can have all the problems in the world for all I care ;)

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Tanthrix:

heh

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justinh:

well, so long as it keeps working for tuner testing

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justinh:

one thing I've found starting to really bug me is the long time it takes recordings to begin playing back

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Tanthrix:

What do you mean exactly?

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justinh:

I mean the time it takes between selecting a recording and playback actually starting

[09:03:15]

Tanthrix:

For me, it starts in about 1/2 a second. Slower on your end, or are you just damned impatient?

[09:03:48]

Tanthrix:

HD a bit more, mind you. Maybe 1–1.5 seconds.

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justinh:

much slower

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justinh:

even on my new core2 frontend

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Tanthrix:

Weird.

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justinh:

so my summation is that the slowness is caused by the backend

[09:04:52]

Tanthrix:

I'm running a Core 2 Duo E4400 with 1gb ram, on some relatively run of the mill 7200rpm IDE drives. Backend and frontend on the same system.

[09:05:27]

Tanthrix:

You're probably right then, unless something else weird is going on.

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justinh:

taking about 8 secs locally

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Tanthrix:

Eeep. That's intolerable.

[09:06:38]

Tanthrix:

Should move your backend to your new system, see if that fixes it.

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justinh:

yeah right

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justinh:

considering how the new system has a blinding number of PCI slots

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Tanthrix:

Ahh, I see.

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justinh:

and er... the whole point of mythtv in my house is staying small, quiet in the livingroom

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justinh:

you can't easily keep a box containing 3HDDs quiet & cool in a small enclosure

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Tanthrix:

True enough.

[09:08:49]

Tanthrix:

As I've said before, my system is in an adjoining closet to avoid those very issues.

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justinh:

blech

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Tanthrix:

So I'm used to absolute quietness

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Tanthrix:

White noise is no big deal, though I suspect the whining of the drives would get on my nerves pretty quickly

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justinh:

maybe my database is getting a bit long in the tooth since most of it is over 3 years old now

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Tanthrix:

I wouldn't think it would take 8 seconds to lookup a file name in your db, no matter how big it is. (Unless you happen to have thousands of recordings, that is)

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gbee:

easiest way to find out would be to run the queries directly on the database and see how long they take

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justinh:

I don't think it's the queries

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gbee:

damn, optimze_mythdb.pl depends on mysql.txt

[09:23:33]

gbee:

actually the perl bindings do, which is even trickier

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justinh:

see what I get is, when I select a recording, it goes straight into a black screen and then takes however many seconds to start playback

[09:24:06]

clever:

[[thufir]]: i talked to a person in here last night that had 10000 recordings in his myth!

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clever:

[[thufir]]: oo

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clever:

ps

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clever:

Tanthrix: read ^^^

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justinh:

maybe my recordedmarkup table could do with being flattened & redone

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justinh:

clever: so somebody talked to somebody who talked to somebody who happens to be a liar? cool

[09:26:05]

clever:

.

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clever:

lol

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clever:

his mythweb wont even work because of the mem usage it needs

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justinh:

I have over one BILLION recordings

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Tanthrix:

hehe

[09:26:46]

Tanthrix:

I too am dubious....

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clever:

i simply have arround 200

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justinh:

I own Sony Universal too btw

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purserj:

so it's all your fault then

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justinh:

wouldn't 10000 recordings be kind of hard to navigate around – even with playback groups & stuff? even with a few hundred it's a bit tedious sometimes

[09:29:05]

clever:

yeah

[09:29:17]

clever:

he mentioned the recording list needs to be able to jump to a certain letter

[09:29:30]

clever:

even when grouping by titles it was 700 diff titles

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justinh:

only for him maybe

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justinh:

how do you do letter jumping with a remote that only has buttons and DON'T say that ducking lame number/letter thing

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clever:

lol

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clever:

with a keyboard:P

[09:30:29]

clever:

or the virtual keyboard in myth

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justinh:

hey why not just have some magic gloves & wave your hands in front of the TV to do it?

[09:31:04]

justinh:

like linuxmce or whatever

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clever:

lol

[09:32:43]

justinh:

well, looks – at least from the output of -v all that what I'm waiting for is something to do with OSD fonts

[09:34:09]

Tanthrix:

So, why do I appear to be the only person on the planet who gets "The file for this recording is empty" for all recordings that began while sitting on the recordings menu, even though the preview shows the video fine, and exiting out and comning back in fixes the problem just fine?

[09:35:03]

Tanthrix:

Not a single hit on google or the mailing list. Ahh, to be so special and unique.

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justinh:

wow now that's funny

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justinh:

I just changed all the OSD fonts from freemono to freesans. much faster now :-\

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Tanthrix:

Heh, that I would have never expected.

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justinh:

even the ATSC subtitle fonts ffs!

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justinh:

infact ONLY those cos I'd already set the other to freesans

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justinh:

so er.. from that maybe one could deduce that whether we need ATSC caption rubbish or not, something's being done with that

[09:39:47]

justinh:

might be feeling a patch coming on

[09:40:30]

justinh:

like er.. don't bother loading/scaling/caching CC fonts because all my recordings have real subtitles

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gbee:

justinh: sphery or greyfoxx was working on the OSD font loading issues

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gbee:

freesans is the default for the OSD in trunk

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justinh:

wonder why it's not affecting everybody then?

[09:43:00]

justinh:

there are about 20 ATSC caption fonts :-\

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gbee:

I did swap it for CC as well, but apparently a monospace font is better there (although everyone agrees that freemono is hideous)

[09:44:18]

gbee:

the ATSC caption fonts thing is excessive and unneeded

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justinh:

heck even doing 'mythtv $somefilename' is pretty slow to start up

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gbee:

but I don't really have any ground to stand on WRT changing that, since critics will point out that I'm not in the US and don't use CC

[09:46:14]

justinh:

nor me

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justinh:

let's just have a setting to disable it altogether :)

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gbee:

we need a US dev to stand up and ask why you can define 20 different fonts for CC or even why that entire page is needed since we already have a global CC font

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gbee:

justinh: we shouldn't even load those fonts if the stream doesn't, or is unlikely to contain CC (PAL Capture Card and/or DVB?)

[09:50:51]

gbee:

we should know at the time of recording whether we are recording CC, so it's not even something that has to be detected in retrospect

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justinh:

aye

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justinh:

hmmm I've got an awful lot of radio recordings to do something with

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DustyBin:

when i click on mythweb 'Recorded Programs' there is a long delay, about 10seconds+, then the list shows but some of the recordings have no preview images

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directhex|bsp:

what's the file size of those with no preview image?

[10:51:33]

DustyBin:

-rw-r--r-- 1 dustybin dustybin 30508 2007-12–04 10:51 1006_20071204010000.mpg.png

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DustyBin:

30k

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DustyBin:

-rw-r--r-- 1 dustybin dustybin 30K 2007-12–04 10:51 1006_20071204010000.mpg.png

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justinh:

that isn't what you were asked

[10:52:21]

DustyBin:

oh yes i misread

[10:52:39]

DustyBin:

hold on

[10:53:13]

DustyBin:

oh yes, B

[10:53:25]

DustyBin:

that means there was a problem with the recording?

[10:53:36]

DustyBin:

and if i delete them it will cure the problem

[10:54:16]

DustyBin:

sorted :D thank you

[10:54:38]

DustyBin:

ive put my mythweb on a seperate server to my backend

[10:55:51]

justinh:

update settings set data="FreeSans.ttf" where hostname like "core2%" and value like "OSDCC708%Font";

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justinh:

doh

[10:57:12]

DustyBin:

im running vserver and ive seperated it into sections, the host runs mythtv, zoneminder, bind9, samba, nfs, <-- all LOCAL servers. Ive got a vserver guest running apache and web clients like mythweb, zoneminderweb, squirrel mail what use PORT 80. then another guest for mail what uses PORT 53. and another guest for all other internet stuff like SSH and rtorrent and irssi what uses PORT 22.

[10:57:45]

DustyBin:

everything is running perfectly, mythtv works with vserver no problem

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justinh:

:-\

[10:57:54]

DustyBin:

but only on the host

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DustyBin:

justinh: are you not impressed with my consolidated server :P

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directhex|bsp:

consolidated? it would be just as consolidated if it were 1 image

[11:00:16]

directhex|bsp:

moreso, infact!

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DustyBin:

another BIG advantage with my using virtual servers, i can now run my wireless network in a DMZ, so that means i can only give it access to my local web guest, and my local ssh guest. so that means if somone hacks my wireless they wont see my host

[11:00:58]

DustyBin:

is that clever thinking or is that clever thinking :P

[11:01:19]

gbee:

UPDATE settings SET data = 'FreeSans.ttf' WHERE data = 'FreeMono.ttf';

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DustyBin:

"very clever mr bond, but not quite clever enough.."

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Teejay__:

excuse me has anybody managed to run mythtv with the af9005 usb dvb-t stick

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** justinh wonders if said dvb-t stick even works in linux **

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justinh:

DustyBin: I'm competely, totally and utterly non-plussed by all virtual bollocks

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justinh:

flavour of the month, I cry!

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DustyBin:

justinh: if i hacked into your wireless network, does that mean i could see your mysql server port?

[11:06:52]

justinh:

what wireless network?

[11:06:56]

DustyBin:

oh :P

[11:06:57]

justinh:

another fad

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Teejay__:

I know in the linux kernel configuration there is an option for support dvb-t

[11:07:30]

justinh:

Teejay__: yeah but does THAT device work in linux?

[11:07:35]

DustyBin:

Teejay__: install the v4l drivers

[11:07:51]

DustyBin:

make sure you use a newer kernel

[11:07:58]

justinh:

could we have a little less misinformation here?

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justinh:

ah well no matter

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DustyBin:

UK people, dont forget to record: The Mighty Boosh on Thursday

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justinh:

and then delete it immediately?

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DustyBin:

:-O

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justinh:

don't get me wrong I love surreal stuff. just don't find the boosh lot remotely funny

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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justinh:

effing students

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** directhex|bsp needs to compile an rpm **

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DustyBin:

its time to install bind9

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** DustyBin prepares for a long stuggle ahead **

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justinh:

well, no clues as to why this unit here is having javascript problems, other than the fact that a) its software comes from over the road and b) java

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directhex|bsp:

javascript is not java

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justinh:

same diff – it all sucks

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gbee:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Watch_TV needs updating, still refers to 0.18 and 0.19, there is no need for that IMHO since 0.20 is over a year old and new users are going to care what happened in past versions

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gbee:

I'm updating the screenshots because they use FreeMono *shudder*

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justinh:

hehehe

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justinh:

I'd sooner have comicsans than freemono – it really is that bad

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directhex|bsp:

why not distribute a better monospaced font?

[12:14:37]

gbee:

IMHO all old/bad screenshots should be removed from the wiki/website, they just create a poor and inaccurate picture of MythTV in it's current state

[12:14:43]

directhex|bsp:

for mono-requiring tasks

[12:14:49]

directhex|bsp:

e.g. inconsolata is quite good

[12:15:07]

justinh:

does anything look better monospaced?

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justinh:

oh yeah terminals

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justinh:

editors

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justinh:

not 40pt text on my telly

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anykey_:

irc ;)

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gbee:

directhex|bsp: just think no-one has bothered to find a replacement, we should though

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directhex|bsp:

gbee, there are reasonable replacements

[12:16:56]

justinh:

gbee: btw I feel the same about most of the core themes but there's no way in the world they can go

[12:17:25]

directhex|bsp:

myth generally looks a bit lame in screenshots compared to competing offerings. taking good shots is hard

[12:17:31]

justinh:

I honestly don't know why there was all that fuss about getting my themes in svn now

[12:17:46]

justinh:

you can't take a 'good' screenshot – you take what's there

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gbee:

justinh: I wouldn't say no way, we can deprecate them, move them to an optional "old themes" package and let them die in peace

[12:18:20]

justinh:

if any of the screenshots suck, it's cos whatever the screenshot is of, sucks ;)

[12:18:28]

gbee:

I'd agree with that

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, what's there varies with time. i mean, who wants a screenshot of the shitty default OSD, for example? brush crap under the carpet for screens, since people are assuming what they see is the best available

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html << directhex|bsp what do you think to the screenshots there? Not the theme, but how they present mythtv in general?

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gbee:

directhex|bsp: hence why I'm changing the screenshots in the wiki

[12:20:07]

** justinh waves goodbye to GANT, Mythcenter and blue **

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directhex|bsp:

gbee, that all looks pretty good at that size, but is it me or is it really blurry when you view full-sized?

[12:20:40]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, gant's not too bad. it's the best of the default ones, with the added advantage of not working on windows

[12:21:06]

justinh:

gant's menus are ok. I object to the other screens

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gbee:

directhex|bsp: something about the screenshot grabber or PNGs, I was noticing the same thing with some other stuff at the weekend

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anykey_:

hopefully I'll get my theme ready soon, hope you like it ;)

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[jasper]:

hej guys

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justinh:

I won't

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[jasper]:

how do I set my box up to use my own grabber?

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justinh:

don't let that put you off

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[jasper]:

I have a tv_grab_nl file...but it appears new mythtv doesn't support it any more?

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directhex|bsp:

[jasper], which version of myth?

[12:21:58]

gbee:

justinh: few themers, especially in the old themes, really spent any time on the detail and getting alignment perfect

[12:22:00]

anykey_:

what do you guys (I know some of you have already seen this) think of http://www.dmesg.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uplo . . . me-guide.png ? ;)

[12:22:01]

justinh:

ffs I don't even like my _own_ themes

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directhex|bsp:

[jasper], recent myth should support any tv_grab_* files in $PATH

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justinh:

text is too small

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directhex|bsp:

darken the background slightly, it's hard to read the description

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[jasper]:

directhex|bsp $PATH being?

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justinh:

space is wasted by the boat load

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directhex|bsp:

[jasper], a per-system environment variable, which typically contains /bin, /usr/bin, and /usr/local/bin

[12:23:41]

justinh:

you know it's the fecking tv guide already, why take up 1/6th of the screen height with that title graphic?

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, part of the mac style guides, i think. plenty of white space, to prevent things from looking overly busy

[12:24:11]

anykey_:

justinh: would you increase the guide area, or the description area?

[12:24:46]

anykey_:

this has nothing to do with mac style guides, I just like it that way :p

[12:24:47]

directhex|bsp:

actually, i quite like that. looks quite pro. the contrast needs increasing though, as i said

[12:24:50]

justinh:

anykey_: I'd have less white space, do away with graphics that state the bloody obvious

[12:25:22]

justinh:

definitely agree with getting shot of the category colours.

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directhex|bsp:

i like the lack of borders

[12:25:50]

justinh:

there's no overscan awareness either. BAD BAD BAD

[12:25:57]

anykey_:

http://www.dmesg.ch/wordpress/wp-content/uplo . . . eme-menu.png <- what about this? (apart from the background issue)

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directhex|bsp:

nothing drives me up the wall more in customisable apps than themses where *every* element has a huge border

[12:26:33]

justinh:

not enough contrast on the buttons IMHO

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justinh:

and the button area's not wide enough for other languages

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justinh:

to be brutal it all looks like a retrograde step in UI terms.. becoming way more STB-like

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justinh:

if you didn't want to hear that you shouldn't have asked

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[jasper]:

directhex|bsp I have it in /usr/bin

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[jasper]:

tv_grab_nl ...which is also in $PATH I checked

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anykey_:

justinh: this is exactly the point. I like the styles of those STB-GUIs. I think a MythTV user should not know that he's using a computer, IMHO

[12:28:08]

[jasper]:

but i can't select it in mythtv-setup

[12:28:12]

gbee:

anykey_: what's more important, that you like it or that everyone likes it?

[12:28:30]

justinh:

don't get me wrong I'd sooner use yours than blootube-wide (which sucks camels)

[12:28:45]

anykey_:

gbee: first of all that I like it. Secondly that there are others using it ;)

[12:29:01]

gbee:

[Jasper]: how old is the version of tv_grab_nl you are using? Have you tried getting the latest version from xmltv.org?

[12:29:11]

directhex|bsp:

anykey_, i like it, but like i said, i think contrast needs increasing

[12:29:21]

justinh:

I couldn't give a rats' who else uses my themes – though if erm.. others didn't there'd be no need to maintain a webshite

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[jasper]:

gbee it's the latest version

[12:29:45]

[jasper]:

http://graphics.tudelft.nl/~paul/grabber/#installatie

[12:29:49]

[jasper]:

directly from the makers of it

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justinh:

I'm still waiting for someone _else_ to do a theme I really want to use every day

[12:30:09]

directhex|bsp:

anykey_, personally overscan doesn't matter as i have a modern tv. but at the very least i think it's a phenomenal improvement over some of the base themes

[12:30:21]

gbee:

[Jasper]: run ./tv_grab_nl --capabilities

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anykey_:

directhex|bsp: my TV doesn't do overscan too when using the computer mode, that's why I didn't care much

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justinh:

anybody here seen the BT Vision GUI?

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[jasper]:

overscan sux balls

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[jasper]:

I need my tv input to overscan more

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[jasper]:

then series

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justinh:

looks better than Sly : http://www.radioandtelly.co.uk/btvision.html

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anykey_:

I don't know the Sky GUI, but this doesn't look that good :P

[12:35:19]

justinh:

if I'm guilty of anything, I hope at least I've pushed people to try harder :)

[12:35:39]

justinh:

at least you've not done another 'leafers-wide'

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justinh:

sorry folks, please don't have nightmares

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anykey_:

whats leafers-wide? :p

[12:37:03]

justinh:

if you don't know, I suggest you don't go looking

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directhex|bsp:

found a tarball...

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anykey_:

ok

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** justinh feels evil **

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justinh:

http://cscl.alasu.edu/MYTHTV/Leafers-wide-screenshot.jpg

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directhex|bsp:

remember when there were tens of firefox themes which were all the same thing – a garish color with pawprints on every button?

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, NICE!

[12:40:13]

justinh:

http://cscl.alasu.edu/MYTHTV/thumbnails/Leafe . . . eenshot1.png

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anykey_:

omg

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directhex|bsp:

there's anykey_ what are the RAm requirements like for your theme?

[12:43:33]

anykey_:

directhex|bsp: I don't know yet, but the image in the background will be quite the only one which is huge

[12:44:09]

justinh:

aim for the same as Iulius or better ;)

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anykey_:

I doubt that :p

[12:44:46]

anykey_:

but I will try to keep it as low as possible

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justinh:

don't be too sceptical

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justinh:

reuse as many images as possible, when you've not got rounded corners you can get away with scaling murder ;)

[12:45:56]

anykey_:

I hate everything that is round, so ;)

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directhex|bsp:

that's what i'm getting at though

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directhex|bsp:

i think even justinh can agree that if your theme could hit memory useage similar to iulius, then nobody would be sad to see it deleted from svn. and the rest of the internet. and every computer in the world

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anykey_:

I'll do my best, but I will not make the theme worse because of memory usage ;)

[12:51:31]

gbee:

reuse images, don't use symlinks and don't use big images when smaller ones will do, keep the number of different fonts low

[12:52:19]

directhex|bsp:

imagine for a second if the low-ram theme didn't induce vomiting. think of it, gbee! imagine!

[12:52:21]

gbee:

actually the last point is valid for any theme, if you need 10 different font sizes/colours for a single screen then you should go back to the drawing board

[12:52:31]

anykey_:

yeah

[12:52:37]

gbee:

directhex|bsp: I dream

[12:52:45]

anykey_:

the other points too ;)

[12:53:07]

justinh:

I'm planning to do a spinoff of Iulius in shiny-ish form soon

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, a 4:3 theme? fo' realz?

[12:53:19]

justinh:

a (shudder!) 4:3 one no less

[12:54:30]

justinh:

though it IS high time all the 4:3 users joined the 21st century

[12:54:36]

gbee:

one other thing is be precise in your positioning, don't make text-areas wider than the area they are supposed to fill – you may not see the problems until a programme with a really long title or description turns up, so pay attention to that from the start

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justinh:

one other thing is.. mytharchive. don't even go there!

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, too damn right. no more overscan and <720p support!

[12:56:14]

directhex|bsp:

and bin the qt renderer!

[12:56:19]

justinh:

sorry but TVs overscan

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gbee:

try the theme at different resolutions and even at different aspect ratios, it doesn't have to be perfect at 4:3, but it it scales reasonably with no text disappearing then that's a good thing

[12:57:20]

directhex|bsp:

i should be less lazy & carve libmythui to bits, instead of runnin screaming, shouldn't i :/

[12:57:46]

justinh:

no, cos you'll make it support SVG

[12:58:09]

justinh:

you can forget any more themes from me if that ever happens

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anykey_:

justinh: why not mytharchive?

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gbee:

justinh: need QT4 for that, but once we have QT4 it will be straightforward

[12:58:37]

gbee:

justinh: don't like SVG?

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justinh:

I hate SVG

[12:58:47]

gbee:

heh

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directhex|bsp:

justinh was sodomised by a vector when he was a child

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justinh:

inkscape sucks

[13:00:01]

justinh:

it's prolly the best open source drawing package going, but that's not saying much

[13:00:18]

justinh:

for real complex stuff if starts to slow down very quickly, and slow the user down

[13:00:21]

anykey_:

justinh: how much overscan should I calculate in? 3%?

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justinh:

5% is a good amount I reckon

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justinh:

it's not much

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directhex|bsp:

someone drew a guide didn't then?

[13:01:21]

directhex|bsp:

something you could shove in a foreground layer whilst designing

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justinh:

yeah but it was bollocks IIRC

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anykey_:

well, 32/18px per side, sounds ok

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justinh:

too unlrealistic, assuming 'title safe area' for themes

[13:02:54]

gbee:

5% is a realistic figure, most sets overscan by 3/4%

[13:03:05]

gbee:

oh, justinh said that already

[13:03:12]

justinh:

any more than that, buy a new TV!

[13:04:11]

gbee:

anykey_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/images/e/ee/Cheatsheet-wide-real.png

[13:05:19]

justinh:

gawd. just looking at glass wide, feeling like I want to be sick

[13:05:42]

justinh:

this has to be a record

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gbee:

that's my version of the cheatsheet, it's more realistic than the original cheatsheet

[13:05:53]

justinh:

already hating it :(

[13:06:11]

anykey_:

gbee: thank you

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justinh:

how many UK themers does this make now then?

[13:08:02]

gbee:

including Ivor's versions of blue? :)

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justinh:

Ivor made versions of blue?

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gbee:

yeah, think they were made special for a mythtv demo somewhere – they are on his site

[13:09:29]

justinh:

I remember the 1st time I installed mythtv & the default was blue. next time I installed it, I saw GANT. I almost uninstalled the whole thing

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directhex|bsp:

artists are not coders

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directhex|bsp:

generally, anyway

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gbee:

they aren't great, just quick customisations to blue, new background etc

[13:10:17]

** justinh is NOT AN ARTIST **

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justinh:

I fiddle, I mess about.. I'm no artist

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gbee:

heh, I don't know what I'd rather b

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justinh:

I think I'd rather be a user

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gbee:

either my theme is rubbish or my code is ... tough choice

[13:11:24]

gbee:

:p

[13:11:51]

justinh:

just go for everything being rubbish like mine :)

[13:12:04]

gbee:

of course "c) both", is also possible

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justinh:

seriously I look at some stuff & think "ffs which 5 year old drew that?".. "ahh it was me"

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justinh:

anykey_: you gonna be bothering with watermarks then?

[13:23:23]

anykey_:

justinh: no, no watermarks ;)

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justinh:

right on

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justinh:

or "doze ickle iddy biddy picshows for de menues, awwww"

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justinh:

ahem

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anykey_:

hehe

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justinh:

make sure to make all the filenames end in . too :D

[13:27:05]

anykey_:

hm?

[13:27:08]

anykey_:

I don't get this one :p

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directhex|bsp:

anykey_, it means windows can't use the fikles

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justinh:

is there any way of stopping python using the files too?

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directhex|bsp:

anykey_, windows cannot address files ending with "." due to the way the short->long filename conversion works. the final . is always considered a marker for file extensions, it cannot be part of a folder or file name

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, run a 64-bit system, and watch the shittiness of python's code choke on the *zomg* extra bits

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anykey_:

directhex|bsp: ah

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rooaus:

or create files with the same name but different case, svn clients bork on the checkout on ntfs ;)

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justinh:

rofl

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directhex|bsp:

:)

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directhex|bsp:

killing windows development dead with hEllo and helLo

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justinh:

I love my job. It means I get to do interesting things like shorten 24 way ATX PSU cables

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directhex|bsp:

if you're lucky, you can crimp some cat6 later!

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gbee:

my crimp tool was probably not the best investment I made, hardly used it since someone gave me a bundle of pre-made cables just after I bought it

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directhex|bsp:

cat6 is harder to crimp than 5e.

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fryfrog:

gbee: do you wish for any feedback on your theme?

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** gbee thinks for a moment **

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gbee:

fryfrog: go on then

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GreyFoxx:

hehe my first answer would have been "no" :)

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fryfrog:

gbee: so the background to me looks like brushed brass or brushed gold?

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gbee:

fryfrog: then you need a new tv/monitor – it's silver

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fryfrog:

gbee: might i suggest an option of brushed aluminium / steel / ...

[13:52:40]

fryfrog:

krikey, really?

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gbee:

fryfrog: it is, you need to sort out your screens colours

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gbee:

it's brushed aluminium

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fryfrog:

what is the url to your screen shots?

[13:53:35]

fryfrog:

wait, nm i deliocious taged it

[13:54:18]

fryfrog:

er, okay, maybe i didn't :/

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fryfrog:

what is your url again? :)

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gbee:

http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html

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gbee:

I can tweak the background colour, maybe that would help, but it shouldn't look gold/brass under an circumstances, unless my monitors are the ones which are fubar

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directhex|bsp:

brushed steel, more than alu, IMHO

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gbee:

directhex|bsp: close enough

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jarle:

after upgrading my frontend to ubuntu 7.10 the the chars used for OSD is now all stuck tight together, partly overlaying each other, I guess this is related to some font issue, anybody else experienced this?

[14:08:21]

anykey_:

jarle: I once had this, an upgrade to recent SVN fixed it

[14:10:36]

jarle:

anykey_: the strange thing is that this happened after a distro upgrade, and not a mythtv upgrade...

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DustyBin:

"all your favourite christmas songs all on 3 CDs, now thats WHAT I CALL CHRISTMAS" ...would somone mind coding a anti-xmas advert plug in for mythtv :D

[14:12:28]

justinh:

wtf are adverts?

[14:12:40]

DustyBin:

o_0

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ali1234:

who said that?

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justinh:

come to think about it, wtf is 'Christmas' ?

[14:12:49]

DustyBin:

i thought the commercial detection system didnt work in UK

[14:13:08]

justinh:

you don't watch the council channels do you? eeew

[14:13:13]

DustyBin:

lol

[14:13:41]

justinh:

so commflagging doesn't work in the UK. 4 -> does though

[14:14:16]

DustyBin:

aye ok

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ali1234:

you mean 4 -> and then 12 <-

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justinh:

eh?

[14:14:54]

justinh:

no I mean skip forward 4 minutes

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ali1234:

i need to fix the skip amount

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justinh:

that's too involved IMHO

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justinh:

since the amount tends to vary from show to show

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ali1234:

yes exactly

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ali1234:

so you always end up going about 15 second in

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ali1234:

then you have to skip back in 5 second increments

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justinh:

you can make playback groups and have different values for default skips though but come on

[14:17:00]

ali1234:

but every time you skip back, it plays for about 2 seconds, so you end up having to press back about 12 times

[14:17:26]

ali1234:

so by "fix" i mean set it to a realistic value, like 15 seconds

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justinh:

shows from Channel4 etc tend to have 4 minute breaks exactly

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gbee:

generally shows in the UK use multiples of a minute, 3 minutes, 4 minutes, 5 minutes

[14:21:16]

gbee:

so setting the jump amount to 1 minute works well

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ali1234:

i'll try setting it to 1 minute/15 seconds thyen, and see how that goes

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justinh:

never mind adverts – very annoyed at on screen junk these days

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justinh:

even Top Gear isn't immune from the 'coming up next' crap

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justinh:

it's either that, or some old bird with a blue outline raving away in a lower corner of the screen.

[14:24:03]

gbee:

heh

[14:24:38]

gbee:

now that was unexpected, everyone seems to like the mythtv.org mockup

[14:24:45]

directhex|bsp:

gbee, linkage?

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justinh:

NO !

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justinh:

that's impossible, surely...

[14:25:44]

** justinh imagines a headline "End of the world! Mythtv users agree on something" **

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gbee:

http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newmyth_screenshot.png

[14:28:10]

gbee:

original mockup – http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/newmyth_idea11.png

[14:28:29]

gbee:

xris' original http://newmyth.forevermore.net/

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gbee:

html version of mockup (doesn't work with anything except firefox atm) http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/newmyth.html

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directhex|bsp:

that's quite neat

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gbee:

haven't really done much to alter what xris originally came up with, just tweaked it

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** Hoxzer Is compiling new version of mythtv-multirec and hopes this time he doesn't have to do 'make distclean' **

[14:36:07]

Dibblah:

Ummm... Why?

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Dibblah:

ccache has existed for some time now...

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Hoxzer:

Last time and a time before that I had to do that

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Hoxzer:

Dibblah: Yeah, but ... :( yh

[14:36:51]

Dibblah:

Yes. Distclean is usually quite a good idea, with qmake, at least.

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directhex|bsp:

making mythtv takes, what, 25 minutes?

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justinh:

more cpu ftw!

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directhex|bsp:

15, even

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justinh:

10?

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Hoxzer:

I already have it installed.

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Dibblah:

5ish here.

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directhex|bsp:

not long, at any rate

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directhex|bsp:

not worth potentially breaknig the install

[14:37:33]

Dibblah:

But that's a 3 system distcc cloud :)

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Hoxzer:

hmm, I just might setup my svn_compile_script.sh to do "make distclean" to mythplugins and mythtv

[14:38:06]

Dibblah:

Yeah, nightly! ;)

[14:38:31]

Dibblah:

Even better – Automatically grab ALL patches from Trac and apply them first!

[14:38:38]

Hoxzer:

btw, is it possible to create private (not global) menu configurations ?

[14:38:45]

justinh:

yes

[14:38:51]

Dibblah:

That way you _know_ you're not missing any functionality that might be available!

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Dibblah:

Hoxzer: By "configurations" you mean menu entries?

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justinh:

put menu xml files in the .mythtv folder in your home dir

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Hoxzer:

Dibblah: yes

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fxr69:

is it safe to use the software updater on mythdora and run all the available updates, does anyone know?

[14:39:28]

Hoxzer:

justinh: ok...

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Dibblah:

fxr69: YMMV. Backup first is always a safe option ;)

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directhex|bsp:

updating on anything rpm based is putting your faith ni the almighty

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justinh:

never let anything auto-update

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Dibblah:

"If it works, leave it".

[14:40:45]

justinh:

"while you were away, we broke this, this and this. have a nice day"

[14:40:49]

Dibblah:

If it almost works, back it up and *then* fiddle.

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fxr69:

ok.. i know it was discouraged it the old version of mythdora.. i think ll leave, ll just update the xmltv package, hopefully that fixes the grabber for the uk

[14:41:37]

justinh:

jesus

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Dibblah:

The latest XMLTV is required for some small RT errors.

[14:41:59]

justinh:

just download a tarball of last night's uk_rt

[14:42:10]

justinh:

it's only perl for $lordie's sakes

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Dibblah:

But... That'll be outside the package management system!

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justinh:

not worth risking breaking a while distro

[14:42:44]

justinh:

so uninstall it from the package (mis)management system then

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justinh:

*whole distro

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Dibblah:

I do agree, BTW.

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fxr69:

hahah ok.. i can see the risk/reward ratio is a little skewed with my first thought...

[14:43:46]

fxr69:

so remove the xmltv package and then build xmltv from the latest tarball right?

[14:43:57]

justinh:

basically yeah

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fxr69:

ok.. ll have a futeur at that then.. thanks.

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justinh:

like you don't go out & buy a new car if a windscreen wiper blade needs to be replaced do you?

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, some of us are used to distros where the wiper blade not only relpaces itself when you wake up the next morning, it's turned into a dual-fuel 70mpg jobby too

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fxr69:

mmmm.. well.. it took me installing a new distro to work out what was causing that ghostong/tearing i was seeing earlier ;s

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** justinh gives fxr69 an Aopen i945GMm-HL board & challenges him to get the tv out to work a) in PAL mode and b) correctly scaled **

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justinh:

on any distro

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** Dibblah challenges fxr69 not to desire to throw the Intel video card driver writers out the window while doing it. **

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justinh:

lol

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fxr69:

i dont even know what that is, but it was a scaling issue with pal the resolution on recording profile fwiw

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fxr69:

hehe

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justinh:

they DO need a smack though

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Dibblah:

Nah. Drivers with outdated documentation are just _so_ much fun!

[14:53:06]

justinh:

give em lines saying "I must document all the xrandr options so help me"

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justinh:

Dibblah: oh yesh, I forgot how much fun I had on Saturday, virtually all day long

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lucidblue:

hey guys, anyone use mythdvd? mine works, but the "Play" doesn't "Play" when at the DVD menu, so I'm not sure what button I'm supposed to press (haupagge Grey Remote) — but, in xine config lircrc, it says Play = Play, I'm just not sure if that's what button I'd want for the menu

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lucidblue:

...feeewwww! that was a mouthful

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lucidblue:

^^^^^^^^ I just forgot and posted that in #mythtv — it's early

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directhex|bsp:

press enter

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directhex|bsp:

dvds aren't like vhs tapes, menus are already playing

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justinh:

even when they're not moving they're playing

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justinh:

*menus, I mean

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ali1234:

you guys know that the "play" button is *always* supposed to play the main feature if you press it enough times?

[15:04:28]

ali1234:

you know, incase you lose your DVD player remote, you can still watch films

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justinh:

incase you lose your dvd player remote, buy a new remote

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directhex|bsp:

ali1234, can you point to that in the spec?

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ali1234:

which spec are you talking about?

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fryfrog:

gbee: sorry it took so long, i wouldn't be surprised if my master be was bad monitor colors, that is the one it looked gold on

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fryfrog:

gbee: but even looking at screen shots on my work monitor and my work laptop, there is a slight tint of brass/gold

[15:13:10]

fryfrog:

i can't recall what it looked like on my primary frontend, i'll double check when i get home.

[15:13:30]

gbee:

fryfrog: had a sight test recently? :p

[15:13:36]

fryfrog:

ahahah

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justinh:

maybe it's me making him see red :P

[15:13:54]

gbee:

seriously though, I'll tweak that, it was looking a fraction too dark anyway

[15:14:38]

fryfrog:

i'll admit to not calibrating my monitors at all, but i haven't run into anything *else* that looks so off from what someone else describes

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gbee:

that image was supposed to be temporary until I could find/make a better one anyway, I just got involved in other things

[15:14:59]

fryfrog:

course, my CRTs are like 8 years old too :)

[15:15:03]

fryfrog:

ah

[15:15:11]

fryfrog:

i like your osd a *lot*

[15:15:21]

fryfrog:

and the icons look great, love the color options

[15:15:29]

justinh:

maybe I'll make a PLUGE background to help with calimibrationing thingies

[15:15:32]

gbee:

I had thought that I wouldn't bother changing it, but now that you bring it up, I'll see what I can do

[15:15:47]

fryfrog:

is it hard to offer more than one bg, like you do for colors?

[15:16:08]

fryfrog:

a dark or light gray with less woodgrain pattern might look nice

[15:16:32]

fryfrog:

or something that matches silver/aluminium/light gray tv/stereo/vcr/dvd color?

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gbee:

fryfrog: not hard no, the brushed metal bits of the background are easily changed

[15:19:03]

kslater:

hey fryfrog did you land that gig on the west coast?

[15:19:27]

fryfrog:

not yet, still in teh interviewing phase

[15:19:37]

fryfrog:

they moved my technical phone interview from monday -> thursday :(

[15:19:42]

fryfrog:

i guess they like me 3 days less :(

[15:19:53]

_mre|666:

I AM NOT STUPID

[15:19:58]

kslater:

I have a contact from right in the area if you want to exchange emails with someone in the know about living in that area.

[15:20:01]

_mre|666:

HAHA

[15:20:06]

_mre|666:

shit

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fryfrog:

kslater: that'd be awesome!

[15:20:12]

_mre|666:

sorry about that, thought this was #politics

[15:20:23]

kslater:

pm me with an email address and I'll hook you up.

[15:27:03]

gbee:

fryfrog, justinh: better? http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/metallurgy_light.png

[15:27:57]

gbee:

adjusted the colour balance and increased the brightness

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justinh:

don't like it as much

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fryfrog:

that looks silver/light gray much more to me :)

[15:35:26]

gbee:

a little darker, but still with the yellow reduction: http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/metallurgy_midpng

[15:35:39]

gbee:

http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/metallurgy_mid.png

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fryfrog:

i *think* I like the darker a little more, but it is a *very* tiny difference

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gbee:

fryfrog: yeah, just trying one where I change the balance but leave the brightness alone

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gbee:

http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/metallurgy_light1.png compared to http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy/metallurgy64.png

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gbee:

excellant, they've dispatched my new monitor

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fryfrog:

64 feels brass tinted

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fryfrog:

but *barely*

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gbee:

64 is the current theme, light1 is with the colour balance shifted away from yellow

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fryfrog:

light1 and mid look to close for me to judge

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fryfrog:

ah!

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fryfrog:

i'm glad i picked it out then :p

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fryfrog:

and for some reason, the dimensions of mid and light1 are a bit diff

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gbee:

fryfrog: took mid at 1280x800, light at 1280x720

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fryfrog:

oic!

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gbee:

1280x720 is more accurate since it doesn't have to stretch the 16:9 image to 16:10

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

so what happens to someone who has 1280x720, but has to modify the ui position/size?

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fryfrog:

little bit of distortion?

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gbee:

and also why the buttons are stretched vertically in those screenshots

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gbee:

fryfrog: a little, depends whether they keep the aspect ratio

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fryfrog:

ah

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gbee:

if the aspect ratio is kept constant, then they won't seen any distortion

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gbee:

despite labelling themes wide and non-wide, they are actually 16:9 OR 4:3

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gbee:

SD in PAL countries is actually 5:4, so 4:3 themes already get a little stretched in the rest of the world

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gbee:

of course many monitors use 16:10 instead of 16:9, hence some distortion

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gbee:

which is just one reason why I'm changing it so that themes can be any aspect or resolution the themers wants, will allow themes to be created to specifially for different displays if they want

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Code-rr:

IS there any reason why DVB would be unstable, Record one show perfectly but the second shows "B", so does the third then the fourth record ok again...

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gbee:

Code-rr: what card? going to guess a Nova-T 500?

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Code-rr:

Nova S

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Code-rr:

myth shows nothign out of the ordinary

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Code-rr:

cx88[0]/2: cx8802_timeout

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Code-rr:

lots of those in my dmesg

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gbee:

heh, if I'd be right that would have been cool

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Code-rr:

gbee: one letter off :-P

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gbee:

Code-rr: similar problem to the Nova-T 500 though, driver bug

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Code-rr:

gbee: i cant upgrade kernel, cause if i do that my card wont lock anymore.... quality goes WAY down :-D

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Code-rr:

gbee: what tuning setting should i use

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gbee:

the driver is losing communication with the card, don't know what you can do to fix that

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gbee:

try #v4l – see if they can offer advice

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Code-rr:

:-S any reason why the newest kernel would kill my card's locking ability

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gbee:

Code-rr: best as the devs who wrote the driver

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gbee:

maybe that should be #linuxtv

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gbee:

can't remember which is which

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Code-rr:

no one around =(

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Code-rr:

gatta try HG see if i can get that to work

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Code-rr:

here is another question, got a MCEUSB2 remote. but when starting my computer up, the remote wont work, i have to UNPLUG the remote from usb and plug it some where else. it does not even show up in lsusb untill i do that. any ideas?

[16:14:15]

DustyBin:

in mythtv setup, ive set both IPs to my local address, 192.168.0.10 but for some reason mythbackend still binds to ALL interfaces 0.0.0.0, because when i nmap my vservers mythtv shows up, i changed the settings of other services like ssh to bind to the host interface and that works ok but for some reason mythtv binds to ALL interfaces even after changing both IPs in the setup ?

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fryfrog:

DustyBin: I don't think MythTV's option to specifiy IP is for binding it to a specific interface/ip only :/

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DustyBin:

i see

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DustyBin:

mythtv needs a listen on x.x.x.x option :D

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fryfrog:

sounds like a good RFE / idea to submit a patch for :)

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DustyBin:

maybe i could use chbind tool

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Code-rr:

should propbably listen on.. becase ifyu try accessinga reording on a difern sbnt... it wont wrk

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Code-rr:

dam bateris

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niter3:

So I've been faced with this problem. I have a PVR 150 and when watching live tv or recorded programs the picture (colors) are dull compared to watching the TV directly connected to cable. When directly connect the picture is nice and crisp with color. Any ideas on how I can fix this?

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directhex|bsp:

how is your pvr150 connected to your cable box?

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niter3:

this is just analog cable

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directhex|bsp:

oh, analog. i don't deal in analog

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niter3:

well the pvr150 is an anlog capture card. How could I hook that up to receive a digital signal ????

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directhex|bsp:

a lot of people hook up digital set-top boxes to them, via s-video

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niter3:

directhex|bsp: oh got'cha.

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justinh:

doh! damn autodetection of connected displays by measuring the current load on the video outputs :(

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Dibblah:

On some outputs.

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Dibblah:

Not on DVI – That's "special".

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justinh:

on the VGA & TV out outputs

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Dibblah:

VGA too occasionally.

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justinh:

I know a way around that but it involves a dual op-amp

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Dibblah:

Or a xorg.conf option.

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Dibblah:

Unless, of course, they've removed them.

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justinh:

they probably have

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justinh:

I could no doubt hack the driver though

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justinh:

I've been thinking about how I'd be able to make a realtime tv encoder adjustment gadget to avoid the xrandr mess

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justinh:

even just a commandline thing would do

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** justinh guts gdm. bye bye! **

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justinh:

X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.... oh FO

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gbee:

anyone know what the 'view' button in the DVD rip screen does? http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mtd.png

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justinh:

ah balls I'll just er.. do something else

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Dibblah:

Ah, I love distribution's ideas about 'security'.

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Dibblah:

Yes, allowing a user to run X is insecure.

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Dibblah:

But, when it's my bloody box, I really don't care ;)

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sebrock:

is it up to the OSD to display channel icons or is this a general setting? Having trouble to find it?

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justinh:

arghh ffs my webspace ftp is borked :(

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justinh:

STILL

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Dibblah:

Just delete and start again.

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Dibblah:

;)

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justinh:

oh seems Nominet are still after money for my old domain name. i wonder if they know how to whistle

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oobe:

anyone here know how to add mulitiple remotes to lircd

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iamlindoro_:

to the config file, or the devices?

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Code-rr:

oobe: run mutiple instances of lircd

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iamlindoro_:

config file, just add another remote entry like the first

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justinh:

beginremote ... foo .. endremote beginremote ...foo2.. endremote

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justinh:

in lircd.conf

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iamlindoro_:

devices, they take care of themselves, just load appropriate modules

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oobe:

i have 2 remotes that that both work with same IR reciever but need differnt lircd.conf files

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iamlindoro_:

no you don't

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iamlindoro_:

just two entries in one lird.conf

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iamlindoro_:

like Justin said

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oobe:

was thinking i could could just merge both into one file

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** Code-rr agreas wiht iamlindoro and justin **

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Code-rr:

oobe cat FILES2 >> FILE1

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Code-rr:

ie cat lircd2.conf >> lircd.conf

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justinh:

oobe: you can.. just put them both in lircd.conf making sure you don't get the sections between 'beginremote' and 'endremote' mixed up

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oobe:

ok brb will test and let you know how i go

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Dibblah:

Time to try Mark's multi-channel audio patch again.

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Dibblah:

HD + AC3 surround... :)

[18:05:21]

Dibblah:

... No, I don't have a receiver that does AC3.

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Dibblah:

Yes, it's my fault for buying when DTS was all the rage.

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justinh:

doesn't do AC3 but does DTS?

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Code-rr:

after compiling v4l dvb how do i test the drivers

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justinh:

dvb-utils#

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Code-rr:

justinh: i mean load the drivers themsevles.. make ismod does not seem to work

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justinh:

modprobe, usually

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Code-rr:

is there anyway to tell if the stock kernel drivers get installed or the new v4l drivers

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sebrock:

got a small problem here, my icons only shows in EPG and not in OSD. Any thoughts?

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defaultro:

I just noticed that playback on my machine is not as smooth as DCT6200. That means, my machine playback wasn't really bad at all. What can we do to make the playback as equal as possible with my DCT6200 stb?

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fxr69:

does anyone know much about the different versions of mythdora, on the 3.2 there was irkick ... m wondering of there is an equilivant on version 4?

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Dibblah:

justinh: Yes – No AC3.

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Dibblah:

DTS, CSII, some other junk...

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defaultro:

what is CSII?

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Code-rr:

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Code-rr:

thast with v4l driver

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Code-rr:

with 2.6.18 i get snr at like ff30

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sebrock:

now this is really strange, table in db is pointing to the right icon

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Dibblah:

Circle Surround 2.

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sebrock:

still doesnt show in OSD

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Dibblah:

And... Don't ask.

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Dibblah:

Because I don't know.

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sebrock:

are you sure there is no "Show channel icons" setting somewhere?

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Dibblah:

sebrock: Have you restarted the FE in question?

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sebrock:

yes

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Dibblah:

And is it a single box?

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sebrock:

no

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Dibblah:

Or is it a split BE / FE...

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sebrock:

yes

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sebrock:

strangly EPG icons work out of the box

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Dibblah:

There is no "show channel icons" setting.

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sebrock:

so Im guessing there must be

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sebrock:

:/

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Dibblah:

ISTR channel icons depending on the OSD theme.

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sebrock:

I have tried with a OSD theme that is supporting this

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sebrock:

still no icons

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oobe:

you guys what do i do about lircrc

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oobe:

for 2 remotes

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gbee:

the OSD fetches channel icons in a different way to the rest of mythtv (it's on a list to fix), OSD channel icons must be on the local machine, EPG channel icons can be on the remote machine

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oobe:

can i just copy and past my single lircrc configs into one file

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gbee:

oobe: yes

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oobe:

nice

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oobe:

ty

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gbee:

oobe: if you need to avoid conflicts between remotes e.g. both have button A, but A should do different things then just add "remote = REMOTE_NAME" to each begin ... end group

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oobe:

thanks

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[Jasper]:

hej guys

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[Jasper]:

I'm trying to get lirc running

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[Jasper]:

can someone help me?

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sebrock:

now I checked every possible combination, even resetting icon map

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sebrock:

still no icons shows in OSD, only in EPG

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fxr69:

your gonna have to elaborate to see if any one can [Jasper]

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[Jasper]:

ok, I emerged lircd , I have a homebrew serial receiver

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[Jasper]:

Iam not sure it works...but I hope I made it correctly

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[Jasper]:

I only see a /dev/lircd

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[Jasper]:

no lirc0 etc

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[Jasper]:

compiled lircd with serial option

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defaultro:

Thanks Dibblah

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defaultro:

Looks cool

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defaultro:

so is it a new audio codec?

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defaultro:

is it also 7.1?

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sebrock:

uuhhuuu

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[Jasper]:

any ideas?

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gbee:

sebrock: the images exist in ~/.mythtv/channel/ for that the user running mythfrontend? They have the write perms?

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gbee:

write/right

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sebrock:

yes

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sebrock:

gbee strange thing is that they are used in EPG, if I delete them they dont show in EPG either. So it's them alright

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Dibblah:

defaultro: No.

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Dibblah:

It's another matrix sound encoding.

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sebrock:

And I deleted them, made a mythfilldatabase --reset-icon-map all

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sebrock:

still doesnt work under OSD

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sebrock:

I'm clueless now :P

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oobe:

every time i press a button now i get multiple key press's has anyone suffered this after adding to remotes?

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Dibblah:

sebrock: Have you tried another OSD theme?

[19:08:00]

Dibblah:

As I said earlier, I believe the icon showing depends on the theme.

[19:08:59]

oobe:

no its not the theme my icons stay the same regardless

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[Jasper]:

must be someone here who can help me with lirc?

[19:10:33]

justinh:

showing icons on the OSD depends on the theme. how many more times?

[19:11:02]

justinh:

oo nice. now I can't ssh into my new frontend

[19:11:11]

justinh:

only uninstalled gdm ffs

[19:11:18]

oobe:

does anyone know a solution to multiple key presses in lirc

[19:11:25]

gbee:

oobe: you may need the "remote = REMOTENAME" lines after all

[19:11:41]

oobe:

yeah im adding them in but still doesnt work

[19:11:49]

oobe:

it shows up in irw

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justinh:

bah silly me still had the mythbuntu cd in

[19:12:10]

oobe:

which means its not the lircrc

[19:12:35]

justinh:

oobe: wrong :)

[19:12:38]

iamlindoro_:

having a few instances of the same key with one keypress in irw is not unusual

[19:12:57]

justinh:

if it shows in irw but doesn't work in the app it _is_ lircrc to blame

[19:13:24]

oobe:

yay but i had that problem before using one remote and another ir blaster and i got the same result in mythtv and irw

[19:13:33]

oobe:

i fixed it by editing the lircd.conf

[19:13:43]

oobe:

using a link from a tutorial

[19:13:57]

oobe:

but that fix doesnt apply here

[19:13:58]

gbee:

justinh: his problem is that irw is showing dual button presses

[19:14:11]

justinh:

so?

[19:14:24]

justinh:

irw shows like 5 or 6 per button press on my remote

[19:14:25]

iamlindoro_:

oobe, if it's repeats of the same button, it's a non-issue

[19:14:51]

justinh:

newsflash! remotes never send a button press just once

[19:14:56]

oobe:

it messes up mythtv mythtv thinks i wanna do stuff that no one would ever do

[19:15:33]

iamlindoro_:

oobe, not so, if myth is behaving funkily then ti's something else, multiple appearances of a signal with one press are NORMAL

[19:15:42]

iamlindoro_:

in irw

[19:15:53]

** justinh readies the cluebat **

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justinh:

run irw. press the 'play' button just once, briefly. you'll no doubt see it spit out several instances of what it outputs for the 'play' button

[19:16:45]

justinh:

that's normal and nothing to worry about

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oobe:

its not normal when i only have one remote going

[19:18:48]

oobe:

my point of mentioning irw had nothing to do with my problem anyway

[19:19:02]

oobe:

it was just a way of eliminating my lircrc file

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iamlindoro_:

oh forget this, what the f do we know, right? Good luck finding help when you won't listen

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Code-rr:

what does this mean

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Code-rr:

2007-12–04 14:19:22.011 DTVSM(1) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(438) desired(290)

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justinh:

hmmm now how the heck am I going to get X to run as my user when ubunuts doesn't want it to? hrm....

[19:29:15]

Code-rr:

justinh: use a real distro:-P

[19:29:26]

Code-rr:

justinh: imean edit your kde or gdm config file :)

[19:30:04]

justinh:

kde? gdm? hahaha no way jose

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justinh:

I just got rid of gdm

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justinh:

this box needs only one user, me

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Code-rr:

justinh: gdm can log one user in :-P

[19:31:34]

Code-rr:

justinh: otherwise you gatta use STARTX to start up x lOl

[19:32:04]

justinh:

startx isn't being allowed for my user

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directhex:

permissions on /dev/tty7 ?

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justinh:

root

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justinh:

heh I can always just add myself to the root group

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justinh:

ah screw it I'll startx in rc.local

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justinh:

done it before

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oobe:

i figured it out

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oobe:

was my lircrc :(

[19:45:17]

oobe:

i accidently pasted 1 config twice

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oobe:

sorry

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oobe:

you guys were right

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justinh:

please trust us, we generally know what we're talking about ;)

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justinh:

I'm not saying I'm always right (gawd no)

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oobe:

its only cause i had the same prob before and the problem was different

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oobe:

i mean the cause was different

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justinh:

once this is all automagically logging me in & stuff I'm gonna have a go minimising the boot process

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gbee:

justinh: if you feel like it, mind noting down what you do to achieve that? what works and what doesn't etc?

[19:52:49]

justinh:

gbee: sure

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justinh:

it's doing all kinds of crap like probing for wireless devices I don't have & stuff I think

[19:53:06]

gbee:

I've always wanted to look into reducing the boot time but never done it

[19:53:28]

justinh:

never messed with upstart before, so it'll be 'fun' I bet

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justinh:

60 secs isn't bad but I know I can get better

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mkrufky:

is there any script that removes all entries in the programs db of whose recordings have disappeared? (ie: disk crashed, many files gone) ?

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gbee:

yes, can't remember what it's called though

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justinh:

something about find_orphans.pl

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mkrufky:

i might have to write such a script... but, knowing me, i'll wrte it and then find out that somebody else already did it, did a better job, and it's already on my system

[19:55:00]

justinh:

mkrufky: in /contrib somewhere

[19:55:01]

mkrufky:

ah, that sounds like it ... great :-)

[19:55:04]

mkrufky:

thanks

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mkrufky:

lesson for those in the future... it just isn't worth it to use a raid array for recordings... jbod is better

[19:55:50]

mkrufky:

or even better than jbod, use the new mult dir feature in svn

[19:56:01]

mkrufky:

(no idea what thats called, but i hear its nice)

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gbee:

storage groups

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mkrufky:

yeah, that :-)

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mkrufky:

thats still not in the stable version yet, right?

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gbee:

stick in a new drive, tell mythtv to use it, done

[19:57:04]

mkrufky:

yeah

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gbee:

mkrufky: only SVN

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mkrufky:

well, i'll symlink until then

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gbee:

no messing about setting up raid, lvm or any other multidisk solution :)

[19:57:33]

mkrufky:

but that will be nice once it's in the next version

[19:58:24]

mkrufky:

so, i stuck in my hdhomerun to my backend, and no more recording failures

[19:58:52]

mkrufky:

there's probably something wrong on my pci bus, or the cable feed to my bedroom is crappy

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justinh:

hmmm X is doing a fine impression of a yoyo

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mkrufky:

but the hdhomerun seems perfect

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justinh:

taking my board in to work tomorrow to flash the BIOS. no more messing about

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justinh:

oh shit. I misread something on the wiki page & messed up big style

[20:04:14]

lexs:

hm, asking again, anyone has/tried a Satelco tuner?

[20:05:05]

Dibblah:

Most of satelco stuff is just rebranded generic cards.

[20:05:08]

Dibblah:

So which one?

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lexs:

http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . dition-.html

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lexs:

i wonder if i should go for satelco or technotrend?

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directhex:

never used satelco, technotrend i have though

[20:06:50]

lexs:

and technotrend is good?

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justinh:

ahh! startx is worky from the local console

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tzanger:

I have a quick scheduling question

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directhex:

technotrent does what i need it to

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tzanger:

let's say there is a program that runs every day (lots of reruns) but once a week they show a new episode. This new episode shows up in the EPG as any other episode

[20:08:22]

tzanger:

how the hell do I tell myth to record once a week THAT episode, without locking it down to a channel or time?

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tzanger:

I can force it, but after it records the one, it'll try next time and match anything

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tzanger:

I think there's an origairdate or something I can use, but I'm not sure how to go about doing it

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tzanger:

hell if I could just tell it "record one weekly every tuesday after 8pm" I'd be happy

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tzanger:

caliban... wasn't that the name of a character in a Shakesperian play?

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justinh:

ugh! deinterlacing doesn't seem to be worky :(

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[Jasper]:

hej guys, I'm ttrying to get lirc to work with mythtv...I just made a config file with irrecord...and that worked fine

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[Jasper]:

how to proceed? do I need to use irxevent? I made mythtv with lirc support

[20:16:07]

[Jasper]:

but I have no clue how to proceed

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|brianp|:

hi

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fxr69:

have you made a ircrc file yet with the mappings?

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|brianp|:

oes any one know what Ive missed here? compiling from svn on opensuse10.3

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|brianp|:

make[2]: *** [audiooutput.o] Error 1

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|brianp|:

does*

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|brianp|:

http://www.pastebin.ca/805940

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justinh:

this TVout sucks

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justinh:

the chroma is flickering near the top third of the screen :(

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tzanger:

|brianp|: it can't determine which method you want to call... if this is your own code, give it a hint. if it's not, you may have a version of Qt which isn't quite what the code is expecting to use

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|brianp|:

tzanger: its the latest svn of mythtv i'm trying to compile non of my code in there,

[20:30:07]

|brianp|:

ive complied many times before, but this is a new install and i think i've missed somthing

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tzanger:

|brianp|: I'm not a myth expert, nor a C++ expert

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|brianp|:

me either :(

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|brianp|:

i think opensuse has kde 4 preview built in, i'll try removing that

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|brianp|:

I think that was it – it was looking at qt4

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justinh:

might try making a vga-scart cable tomorrow

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|brianp|:

goodluck

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janneg:

justinh: ask laga

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Dabian:

OK ... I realise this is probably in the manual. I have recorded a show of half an hour. Thats all nice and dandy. However, I also recorded about 4 hours of junk after the show. Is there a way to get rid of the slack before I burn the stuff on DVD?

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Dibblah:

Hrm.

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Dibblah:

Is anyone using Mark Spieth's multi-channel audio patch?

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Dibblah:

I'm having odd issues.

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FinnTux:

no, but I'd like to try

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Dibblah:

justinh: Don't bother with VGA -> Scart.

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Dibblah:

(Intel card doesn't do interlaced modes)

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FinnTux:

Dibblah, where can I find it?

[20:57:02]

Dibblah:

- hardware limitations.

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Dibblah:

#1104.

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janneg:

Dabian: you can edit the recording with 'e'

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Dibblah:

FinnTux: Backup your database first.

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FinnTux:

I think I'm gonna try in a test machine first

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Dabian:

janneg: Is it easy to delete the show by mistake? Its a rare show, so I'd hate to loose any of it!

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justinh:

Dibblah: so, I might aswell put this on ebay then

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janneg:

then make a backup of the database and show first

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justinh:

or try to find out wtf is up with the tvencoder registers

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Dabian:

(Old black and white TV-recording of the first concert LED Zeppelin did in Denmark, AFAIK).

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justinh:

this looks like a chrontel tv encoder

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Dabian:

janneg : Heh .. space is the problem.

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justinh:

Dibblah: anyway, do I really need an interlaced mode? I can deinterlace

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Dabian:

janneg : I have about 3.4 Gigs left at the moment.

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Dabian:

janneg : I guess I can read about the e-function in the manual though?

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|brianp|:

Dabian: burnit to dvd, then edit it, then burn theedited version

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justinh:

hmm doesn't seem to be because of the overscan

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Dabian:

|brianp| : Will 4 and half hour fit on one single layer DVD in decent quality?

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|brianp|:

unless you have other backup options its your best hope

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Dabian:

I guess you're right.

[21:03:44]

Dabian:

I might get some space by burning some other shows first I guess.

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|brianp|:

Dabian: how much space do you need?

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Dabian:

|brianp| : I guess a little more than a gig.

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J-e-f-f-A-2:

Anyone running an xbox with ubuntu? (I think it's xbuntu)

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Dabian:

|brianp| : To be able to create the image to burn the dvd with L.E.D.

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|brianp|:

Dabian: k3b or mytharchive would be my usual choices from the mythtv box

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Dabian:

briand: I'm using mytharchive

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Dabian:

|brianp|: I'm using mytharchive

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|brianp|:

Dabian: sorry I dont know what you mean by LED

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Dabian:

|brianp|: "LED" is the show .. (LED zeppelin) :)

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|brianp|:

ahh

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Dabian:

:)

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** justinh whacks the intel tv encoder **

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lexs:

hm, is it possible to force the ui the use a specific resolution, or is it still tied to the video you are watching?

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone know how to make analog cable audio go through a digital output (optical or coax)?

[21:30:07]

justinh:

anyone know why Intel graphics chipsets are so bad? :P

[21:36:21]

oobe:

does anyone know if there is a key binding to bring back focus to mythtv i use dual monitors and it would be handy

[21:37:26]

Dibblah:

justinh: They're not.

[21:37:39]

Dibblah:

They're just designed for a completely different market.

[21:38:23]

Dibblah:

... Business users that occasionally want to present on TVs, etc.

[21:38:44]

justinh:

even so the quality is only 'ok'

[21:38:49]

** Beirdo points at xri1's 1 :) **

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justinh:

I've been looking in the driver source & the video timing looks sane

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Beirdo:

heh ;)

[21:39:20]

xris:

stupid pidgin hides that from me

[21:39:21]

Beirdo:

there we go :)

[21:39:21]

Dibblah:

Which timing?

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xris:

it renames me to "xris" in the user lists and in conversations

[21:39:37]

Dibblah:

PAL output again?

[21:39:54]

Beirdo:

that should be considered buggy behavior in my mind

[21:40:01]

** Dibblah never expects much from TV out. **

[21:40:10]

Dibblah:

And is rarely disappointed.

[21:40:29]

justinh:

Dibblah: yeah PAL

[21:40:41]

justinh:

if I turn the TV colour all the way down it's steady as a rock

[21:41:10]

Dibblah:

Are you seeing vertical jitter?

[21:41:15]

Dibblah:

Or horizontal shimmer?

[21:41:17]

justinh:

so it's the chroma phase / colour burst freq. or something

[21:41:38]

Dibblah:

All depends how well your TV is designed.

[21:41:46]

justinh:

it's a panasonic TV

[21:42:03]

Dibblah:

Some really nasty input sections resistively combine chroma / luma.

[21:42:10]

Dibblah:

I wish I was joking.

[21:42:14]

justinh:

not this one

[21:43:29]

EnderTheThird:

I get a crapload of vertical jitter on my nVidia card :-/ really sucks for HD

[21:43:53]

Dibblah:

justinh: It is, however, christmas.

[21:44:06]

justinh:

I don't want to buy a new TV

[21:44:11]

Dibblah:

Heh ;)

[21:44:16]

justinh:

they all ducking suck at SDTV

[21:44:26]

Dibblah:

Well, don't.

[21:44:43]

Dibblah:

Buy a NVIDIA card. Stick it in. Stop worrying about it. ;)

[21:44:46]

justinh:

I also don't want to buy a pci-e vga card and pci-e riser

[21:44:57]

Dibblah:

Oh. Silly case?

[21:45:08]

EnderTheThird:

Anyone else here have HD and SD broadcasts on their setup? I get great dolby digital from HD broadcasts from my optical out, but no sound at all from my SD channels.

[21:45:10]

justinh:

yep

[21:45:35]

justinh:

EnderTheThird: so er.. enable IEC958 in your linux mixer then

[21:46:49]

EnderTheThird:

Trying that now...

[21:47:06]

Dibblah:

Uhm... Is the person working on the Windows port in here?

[21:47:07]

Dabian:

Beirdo : You can turn it off, though, unless I am mistaken. I dont remember how though.

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Dibblah:

... Because it seems rather pointless given the QT4 WIP.

[21:47:49]

iamlindoro_:

Is anyone actually *doing* that? Yuck.

[21:48:15]

justinh:

just read a conversation on the intel mailing list about whether or not to let xrandr go deep down & dirty with the tv encoder registers. they said no

[21:49:09]

Dibblah:

iamlindoro_: It's a good idea.

[21:49:16]

iamlindoro_:

No, it's not.

[21:49:18]

Dibblah:

Well, it's actually not.

[21:49:36]

Dibblah:

But it's one way to get access to NVidia's purevideo, etc.

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iamlindoro_:

Not worth it

[21:49:57]

Dibblah:

... Okay.

[21:50:17]

iamlindoro_:

Multithreaded x.264 playback is already taking care of that in SVN, no need to waste good effort on Windows

[21:50:33]

Dibblah:

No, it emphatically does not "take care of that".

[21:50:33]

EnderTheThird:

justinh: no dice

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iamlindoro_:

Most certainly does.

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iamlindoro_:

And improving all the time

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Dibblah:

x.264 + deinterlacing requires >2x 1.66Ghz.

[21:51:11]

EnderTheThird:

I have passthrough for AC3 and DTS enabled and working fine too

[21:51:13]

Dibblah:

_Nice_ deinterlacing requires a lot more.

[21:51:16]

iamlindoro_:

Yup.

[21:51:30]

iamlindoro_:

So get a decent processor. Again, no need to resort to windows to get x.264 playback.

[21:51:34]

Dibblah:

And that's without even thinking about proper scaling.

[21:52:02]

justinh:

I'm really starting to think there's not a single computer in the world which can display moving video properly

[21:52:04]

Dibblah:

Decent processor? Ummm... Right.

[21:52:24]

Dibblah:

My definitions of 'decent' and yours obviously differ.

[21:52:26]

iamlindoro_:

Dual core 1.6 Ghz is barely middle of the road at this point

[21:52:37]

Dibblah:

Decent to me is doesn't cost the earth to run.

[21:53:05]

justinh:

my core2 duo mobile 1.83 chip will play h.264 720p just fine on a single core

[21:53:10]

Dibblah:

Electricity across here is _spendy_ and getting more so by the day.

[21:53:20]

Dibblah:

_p_.

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Dibblah:

justinh: Tried the BBC HD samples yet?

[21:54:03]

justinh:

Dibblah: can't find any

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Dibblah:

Oh. Bugger.

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justinh:

not that aren't on the end of torrents

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justinh:

I'll have this board at work tomorrow to do the BIOS update. I'll look at the video timing then

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justinh:

my money's on the chroma frequency being slightly off

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Dibblah:

Could well be that noone in PAL land with that specific encoder has tested fully.

[21:56:41]

justinh:

could be

[21:56:54]

Dibblah:

So the register sets are just bollix.

[21:57:33]

justinh:

just gonna try something

[21:57:57]

Dibblah:

Can you poke the registers directly?

[21:58:27]

Dibblah:

Oh – You'll have access to a vectorscope anyway, I guess. Lucky.

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xand:

if I get this card, will I be able to use both tuners at once in mythtv? (in addition to the one I have now) http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklin . . . 200000,50215

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FinnTux:

xand, yes

[22:00:05]

xand:

is a P4 2.4GHz up to it?

[22:00:09]

FinnTux:

easily

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xand:

ok cool

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justinh:

Dibblah: aha! hooked the TV composite to the Y signal of svideo & it's got chroma on it!

[22:00:44]

FinnTux:

xand, but unfortunately it still has some problems

[22:00:46]

justinh:

naughty!!!!!!!!

[22:00:54]

xand:

FinnTux: like what?

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bsdfox:

xand: I have 3 tuners in a p2–450 backend and it's not too bad

[22:01:01]

Dibblah:

Oh. That's gotta just be a register setting.

[22:01:02]

FinnTux:

it seems to crash the backend

[22:01:05]

Dibblah:

...

[22:01:06]

Dibblah:

Oh.

[22:01:08]

Dibblah:

No.

[22:01:12]

Dibblah:

It's Composite.

[22:01:17]

xand:

FinnTux: umm, what does?

[22:01:25]

FinnTux:

nova t-500

[22:01:25]

justinh:

it also likely means the TV is cheaper than its price :P

[22:01:28]

Dibblah:

Composite'll default to leaving the chroma line running.

[22:01:29]

xand:

hm

[22:01:38]

justinh:

Dibblah: no, it's set to svideo

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justinh:

there's a signal on the chroma pin

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xand:

FinnTux: define crash? the whole OS or just mythtv?

[22:01:56]

FinnTux:

a friend of mine has one and we are just trying to figure out why it does that

[22:01:58]

Dibblah:

Chroma doesn't need to be switched.

[22:02:05]

FinnTux:

mythbackend

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Dibblah:

It could just be straight out as well as combined.

[22:02:19]

justinh:

Dibblah: true but the tv encoder should turn off the chroma on the Y output

[22:02:25]

FinnTux:

I mean only to mythbackend process

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FinnTux:

the*

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xand:

hm

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justinh:

unless the driver is defaulting to composite..

[22:02:55]

Dibblah:

That's what I'm thinking.

[22:02:59]

FinnTux:

xand, might be something to do with EIT

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** xand is currently using a nova-t with single tuner **

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FinnTux:

I have nova-t also

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FinnTux:

+ HVR1100

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xand:

what's eit?

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FinnTux:

+ several USB sticks

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xand:

I'm not sure I like the idea of usb tv tuners :)

[22:04:21]

EnderTheThird:

yay, i have audio for my SD channels again!

[22:04:24]

xand:

not when I have spare PCI slots anyway

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FinnTux:

EIT is the system that fills EPG

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FinnTux:

someone please explain that better :)

[22:05:00]

MaverickTech:

I have no spare slots – but I have enough tuners currently – I have never been game to try usb tuners

[22:05:10]

MaverickTech:

has anyone here had good success with USB tuners ?

[22:05:14]

FinnTux:

actually some of them work quite well

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FinnTux:

MSI mega sky is pretty ok

[22:05:34]

tzanger:

Can somoene tell me how to tell the scheduler to find a showing of a program every tuesday 8pm or later? I'm trying ot record a show that is popular but only has new shows every tuesday... I can't say "record one every week on this day" and it's not alway son the same channel

[22:05:40]

FinnTux:

as is one pinnacle model

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xand:

FinnTux: umm well i use the radiotimes xmltv website for EPG data

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FinnTux:

xand, ok, you might be good to go then

[22:06:01]

xand:

not the broadcast stuff

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Dibblah:

justinh: Hmmm. I wonder if looking for mac mini stuff would help. Same chipset.

[22:06:37]

justinh:

Dibblah: that theory about the composite signal might be correct – and if so, when the chroma is present on the C pin, which the TV expects, it's 'beating' when they're combined in the TV

[22:06:38]

iamlindoro_:

tzanger, depending on the quality of your guide data, you can do into advanced record options and set the "filter" section to "new episodes only," then set the recording rule as normal

[22:06:46]

tzanger:

iamlindoro_: hmm

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tzanger:

I'll have to give that a shot

[22:06:52]

justinh:

Dibblah: why, when I have the driver source here? ;)

[22:06:56]

FinnTux:

there seems to be huge difference in tuner sensitivity

[22:06:58]

Dibblah:

Yeah. Nasty.

[22:07:05]

FinnTux:

some USB sticks need very good signal

[22:07:32]

Dibblah:

You'll also loose some luma bandwidth – and therefore fine detail.

[22:07:35]

xand:

my signal is shite... got a cheapo booster and it works fine now

[22:09:49]

Dibblah:

justinh: What's the encoder?

[22:10:28]

justinh:

dunno

[22:10:49]

Dibblah:

Can you grep ch7 in your X log?

[22:11:07]

justinh:

nowt

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Dibblah:

Bugger.

[22:11:33]

Dibblah:

The Chrontel parts are really well supported :(

[22:12:55]

justinh:

ah shite. there's no switching for svideo/composite in the xrandr atoms

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justinh:

they have TV_FORMAT and MARGIN – end of story

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Dibblah:

Sure – Which is why you need to know what the TV encoder is ;)

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Dibblah:

Bugger. I can't see an encoder at all.

[22:16:12]

justinh:

oh jesus. the driver code is detecting the connection type

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justinh:

if ((tv_dac & TVDAC_SENSE_MASK) == (TVDAC_B_SENSE | TVDAC_C_SENSE))

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Dibblah:

Nice.

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lwizardl:

Hi

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justinh:

if debug is enabled, it'll spit out the detected connection type

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lwizardl:

i have a kworld atsc 110 with remote what option do i need for the remote to work using mythbuntu?

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Alexp789:

Hi all, has anyone here got any experience recovering JFS filesystems?? All my mythtv recordings just got binned into "/lost+found" with anonymous names such as "I106498.RCN".... But they are still intact! ;-)

[22:21:26]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Kworld_ATSC_110

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directhex:

Alexp789, do it by hand, and curse the day you thought "JFS sounds neat, i'll use that" instead of trusting in SGI and XFS

[22:24:38]

directhex:

Alexp789, you can cross-reference file last-modified dates against the endtime values in the Record table of the mythconverg database, which helps things along a lot

[22:25:23]

Alexp789:

directhex, i was hoping you weren't going to say do it by hand! ;-) So much for my 'quick fix'! are you using xfs? Have you found it robust? I heard it doesn't take to kindly to power outages etc.....

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Alexp789:

but then evidently neither does JFS!

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directhex:

Alexp789, i am using jfs. and i have spent many hours recovering things from lost+found

[22:26:15]

Dibblah:

XFS is _not_ completely bulletproof either.

[22:26:30]

Dibblah:

Especially when there's a 'silent corruption' issue.

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directhex:

Alexp789, XFS's behaviour traditionally is that if a file write doesn't finish cleanly (e.g. power outage during a wite) the file is zeroed. it's generally safe for reads or unmolested files. and i think the 2.6.22 kernel changed the default behaviour to stop zeroing files

[22:27:20]

Dibblah:

And there is literally no way to run a fsck.xfs on a large FS (>840Gb or so, ISTR) on x86.

[22:27:43]

Alexp789:

directhex, it looks like i'm going to join you in the lost+found club too! ;-)

[22:27:47]

directhex:

x86? what's that?

[22:28:03]

Dibblah:

[3456]86

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directhex:

how quaint! my abacus doesn't run e2fsck :(

[22:28:38]

Dibblah:

... Which when I found out about it, I did laugh so hard. Oh yes.

[22:28:42]

Alexp789:

looks like i'll stick with JFS until ZFS can be incorporated into linux kernel ;-)

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Dibblah:

Especially since the whole machine was then essentially toast until I could buy a x64 system.

[22:29:52]

Dibblah:

Just in case you're wondering what the issue is, fsck.xfs _eats_ RAM.

[22:30:12]

Dibblah:

... To the extent that it hit 9Gb used VM before it finished.

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Alexp789:

dibblah, well i've definitely decided to stay with jfs now!

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Dibblah:

And x86 doesn't have the VM space to be able to do that.

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Dibblah:

I would hope they've fixed it by now ;)

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directhex:

i'd use xfs these days, but i have support contracts and people @sgi.com i can kick

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Alexp789:

dibblah, how big was your partition you had to fsck to get the 9gb figure. I'm just wondering if my box with 768mb of ram could recover a 500gb partition (without catching fire!)

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Alexp789:

or spending 4 weeks swapping memory out!

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Dibblah:

1.4Tb.

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Alexp789:

cool, thank you all for your input! I'm now going to toss a coin as to with file system i'm going to go with!

[22:36:19]

Alexp789:

cheers directhex, dibble, good night all!

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Dibblah:

dibble?

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Dibblah:

Does nick completion cost extra for his client, I wonder?

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xand:

chatzilla is just cack

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espacious:

i have backend+frontend but x is not starting upon boot i get in console and have to enter pass and startx manualy...

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espacious:

what should i do?

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Dibblah:

espacious: http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?quer . . . cally+mythtv

[22:43:27]

Dibblah:

Maybe?

[22:45:19]

espacious:

take a look...

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espacious:

ty

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mzb_d800:

heh

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espacious:

also im not getting any channel on my tv card and its a leadteak card and it works t hink

[22:46:39]

justinh:

Dibblah: well, there's _definitely_ chroma on the luma signal so that ain't gonna be helping any

[22:46:45]

justinh:

time for bed

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justinh:

think I'll just sign up to the mailing list & ask anyway

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DustyBin:

SYS 4096

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Saviq:

guys can any of you please point me to some info regarding exact mythtv's xmltv use?

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Lunar_Lamp:

Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2007-12–04 05:02 and ended on 2007-12–04 05:02. FAILED: xmltv returned error code 5632. |

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Lunar_Lamp:

There's guide data until 2037-07–22 15:02 (10823 days). <-- how can i investigate/fix that error?

[22:56:44]

DustyBin:

Lunar: try running mythfilldatabase again

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Lunar_Lamp:

Er, the error message was about the 5632 code :-/

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Saviq:

Lunar_Lamp: run mythfill by hand

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Saviq:

like what kind of data does mythtv require in the xml file to set the hdtv / age ratings and so on

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Lunar_Lamp:

Saviq, DustyBin, will that have an impact if I'm recording something at the moment? i.e. should I wait until the recording finishes in 30mins to run it?

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DustyBin:

nope shouldnt do

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DustyBin:

mythfilldatabase can be run anytime

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DustyBin:

the mythtv user can run it too

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Lunar_Lamp:

ok thanks :)

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DustyBin:

its time to setup some vhosts on apache :D

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DustyBin:

mythtv.xxxxxxx.net :D

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DustyBin:

zoneminder.xxxxxxx.net :D

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DustyBin:

im going to have a go at making my webserver SSL

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DustyBin:

as well... this should last all night..

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Saviq:

DustyBin: depending on if you want different domains for http and https content

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Saviq:

you can save yourself a lot of trouble by using stunnel on a running apache setup

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Saviq:

to 'export' all your running content through ssl connection

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Saviq:

end of ot

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DustyBin:

Saviq: i want to make my whole server SSL

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directhex:

DustyBin, you forgot about setting up ldaps:// for common authentication in your house

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Saviq:

yep then – use stunnel

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DustyBin:

https only

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directhex:

or even kerberos for cached credentials!

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Saviq:

directhex: what do you want? ldaps's great ;]

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DustyBin:

ive never ventured into ldaps.. ive heard its complex stuff

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Saviq:

no it doesn't ;]

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Lunar_Lamp:

http://pastebin.ca/806087 <= ok, mythfulldatabase seems to be suggesting that there is a problem with the url. I'd appreciate some further pointers :-/

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Saviq:

great for vmail

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directhex:

Saviq, nscd is not great though

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iamlindoro_:

Doesn't appear to be anything wrong with the URL, just looks like maybe whatever it's scraping may have changed its format

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Saviq:

Lunar_Lamp: 500's a server-side error

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Lunar_Lamp:

Saviq, yes

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Lunar_Lamp:

http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.dat <== that URL works though :-/

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Saviq:

Lunar_Lamp: are you sure that the myth box has web access

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Saviq:

try `wget http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.dat` on the consol

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Lunar_Lamp:

Saviq, just did

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Lunar_Lamp:

It had to retry once to get it, but got it fine.

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sebrock:

I've been having some trouble with suspending my computer

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sebrock:

however, now I track it all down to "vbetool"

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Saviq:

well it's possible that the grabber does not restart

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sebrock:

if I kill this everything runs fine...

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Saviq:

try running mythfilldatabase several times and check if it fails every time

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sebrock:

is it really needed?

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Lunar_Lamp:

Saviq, yup. Is there a workaround I could use?

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Saviq:

Lunar_Lamp: you could try downloading the files by hand and feed the grabber with them, locally

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Saviq:

not sure if that's possible, tho'

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Lunar_Lamp:

http://pastebin.ca/806095 <-- second attempt

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Lunar_Lamp:

Saviq, yeah, this error has been happening for weeks now :-(

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Saviq:

Lunar_Lamp: you could try fixing the grabber to try downloading, like, 5 times before failing

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Lunar_Lamp:

Saviq, I guess...

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gbee:

sebrock: never even heard of vbetool

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sebrock:

gbee I think it is a debian tool to save state of graphics

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sebrock:

however, whenever I resume its 100% and some stuff doesnt work, if I kill it, it kills the display so I change back to virtual terminal 7 and all is well again

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sebrock:

interesting

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sebrock:

seems all my suspend issues lies within this thing

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sebrock:

from man page: run real-mode video BIOS code to alter hardware state

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justinh:

can't sleep. svideo on my mind

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sebrock:

Halleluja! vbetool was the one thing that basically fucked my whole suspend mode up... no more!

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sebrock:

no more baby!

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justinh:

further searching seems to reveal that this board's tv encoder can also output component on the svideo socket. now correct me if I'm wrong but 2 pins on an svideo connector are supposed to be signal grounds. even an electronics noob knows that driving a signal low isn't a good way to get a GND.. so if that's what Intel are doing, BAD!

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Hilikus:

what kind of rss feeds does mythnews take?

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justinh:

rss feed == rss feed == rss feed innit

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Hilikus:

so what are the different versions?

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Hilikus:

ATOM 0.3 RSS2.0 RSS 1.0

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oobe:

does anyone know how to schedule recordings in same time slot every dau except weekends?

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Anduin:

oobe: Is there really a showing on the weekend at the same time you need to avoid?

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oobe:

np its just a waste of recording cause most shows here only play same time each weekday

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oobe:

just thought someone might know

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Lunar_Lamp:

oobe, one slightly fiddly way would be to set up 5 daily recordings.

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gbee:

if the programme isn't shown on the weekend at the same time, it won't be recorded

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Anduin:

oobe: If you make a custom recording rule you can do it.

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Anduin:

and yes, what gbee said, only if the show aired daily at the same time would record daily timeslot find it.

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oobe:

ok thanks guys

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