Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, December 2nd, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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FinnTux:

not really. I've been building mine about 2 or 3 years

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FinnTux:

damn thing keeps getting better

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iamlindoro:

alxx_, just sort of depends on your familiarity level/distribution, etc... and your need to tweak

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iamlindoro:

With good linux knowledge, common hardware, and the right distribution, you can have a working, capable myth box up in an afternoon.

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Alxx_:

heh, still waiting for the compile :)

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iamlindoro:

Ah, *that* build

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iamlindoro:

Well that also depends ;)

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Alxx_:

on a P-III 1GHz, not quick at all!

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iamlindoro:

No sir

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Alxx_:

but as a mythtbackend that box runs a treat...

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FinnTux:

besides, I've come to a point where my wife would kill me if our mythtv stopped working...

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iamlindoro:

I am mulling a switch from Comcast to Dish

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iamlindoro:

But I have to see if my HomeOwners Association will let me put one up

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Alxx_:

digital terrestrial does the job for me :)

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iamlindoro:

There's some world programming that I can't get via ComCrap that I'd like to get

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Alxx_:

evertime I travel I come home being thankful for the BBC, no advert heaven!

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, would love to have it

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Alxx_:

right, going to leave this compile to it and go to bed

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Alxx_:

cheers for the help guys!

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mindframe-:

what are some good command line options to use with vlc when setting it as the default player in myth?

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iamlindoro:

Always check the wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/VLC

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FinnTux:

ok...looks like this multirec stuff works. very nice

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FinnTux:

currently recording 3 channels and watching 4th in live TV (one DVB-T card)

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mindframe-:

all of my video files are scrambled when i open them in myth, but they work fine if i play them myself from the command line

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mindframe-:

what's this caused by?

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lulzmstr:

video output issues?

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Huijari:

FinnTux: what multirec stuff? :O

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jams:

mindframe-- are you using the latest nvidia drivers? They are known to cause that issue.

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FinnTux:

Huijari, <GreyFoxx> FinnTux: the myth multirec branch will recording multiple channels from a single dvb card now

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mindframe-:

ah great

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mindframe-:

yes i am

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Huijari:

omg, that's great

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FinnTux:

indeed

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Huijari:

not that i've had need for that, but it's nice to have when i will :)

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FinnTux:

I suppose svn mythplugins and myththemes work with multirec branch?

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FinnTux:

yea, it might come handy sometimes

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Mybaer:

is the mythbackend supposed to tell me when it starts it's EIT crawl deal?

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jarle__:

Mybaer: it is logged to the backend log...

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Mybaer:

the one in /var/log/mythtv ? mine's blank..

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Huijari:

maybe i'll create a PKGBUILD of mythtv-multirec for arch linux the day after tomorrow

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jarle__:

Mybaer: here it is logged to /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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jarle__:

Mybaer: doing "tail /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log" I get "2007-12–02 01:44:23.184 EITScanner: Now looking for EIT data on multiplex of channel 9501" which tells me that it is scanning for EIT..

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buckey1:

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my2keh:

anyone know why all of a sudden my remote doesn't work?

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my2keh:

more preferably, how to fix it? heh

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my2keh:

nuffin eh?

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stiev3:

gotta be more specific. If you can only provide that type of "it don't work" description, you could narrow it down with google probably

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my2keh:

well when I click on the up/down arrows

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my2keh:

it doesn't go up down

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my2keh:

it used to work heh

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my2keh:

it's not responding

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FinnTux:

batteries are dead :)

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stiev3:

batteries?

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my2keh:

nope, because it's able to turn on my tv just fine

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my2keh:

and trhe IR receiver flashes when I push the buttons

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EnderTheThird:

anyone know where I could find gmythstream for 64-bit?

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stiev3:

my2keh, still a n00b myself, but try the command "irw" in a terminal. Press a few buttons, see if you get a response

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EnderTheThird:

my2keh: what remote you using?

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my2keh:

Harmony

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my2keh:

doing the irw thing didn't give me any results

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EnderTheThird:

What PVR do you have listed in the Harmony setup?

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my2keh:

uhh mythtv?

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my2keh:

the remote was working like last night

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my2keh:

then I rebooted

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EnderTheThird:

Oh.

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EnderTheThird:

Because on the wiki it says to set it up as a Gigabyte HA-91 or some such. That's how I have mine and it appears to use the same IR codes as the MCE remote (mceusb2)

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my2keh:

yeah I followed that

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my2keh:

and it was working

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my2keh:

but poof it's not heh

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EnderTheThird:

Are you using the Mythbuntu Control Centre?

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my2keh:

eh?

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EnderTheThird:

What distro are you using?

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my2keh:

uhh Debian

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my2keh:

knoppmyth specifically

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EnderTheThird:

Ok, Just wondering you had the Mythbuntu Lirc tool installed or now.

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EnderTheThird:

*not

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EnderTheThird:

Is your lircd.conf still in place? irw won't work without that.

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my2keh:

ahh

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my2keh:

hmm good point lemme check

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EnderTheThird:

/etc/lircd/lircd.conf, i think

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kdubya:

do any of those dedicated myth distributions support the gyration mce remote?

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EnderTheThird:

The one used in the LinuxMCE vids?

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kdubya:

yeah

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kdubya:

i want the configure gile

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kdubya:

file

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my2keh:

my lircrc looks OK

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EnderTheThird:

Good question.

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EnderTheThird:

Not just your .lircrc, but your /etc/lirc/lircd.conf

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kdubya:

i download linuxmce but it looks like they implemented the remote differently than the tutorials i found

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my2keh:

lircd.conf looks good

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EnderTheThird:

.lircrc gets the IR codes and corresponding buttons from that file. .lircrc itself just says what each of those buttons does for programs

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my2keh:

hmmm

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EnderTheThird:

Got ya

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EnderTheThird:

kdubya: not sure. I've never used it. I was just happy I finally got my Harmony 880 working, heh.

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kdubya:

heh

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EnderTheThird:

my2keh, any errors with "dmesg | grep lirc"

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EnderTheThird:

??

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EnderTheThird:

And if both of those main config files look to be in place, you could always just rerun the lirc init script in case it just wasn't working right when you booted, "sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart"

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EnderTheThird:

Maybe your IR receiver was off during boot.

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my2keh:

lemme check

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my2keh:

i tried restart it too

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my2keh:

dang no errors there either

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EnderTheThird:

And irw is still bupkis?

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my2keh:

uhh huh

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EnderTheThird:

Well it's gotta be your lircd.conf file, because that's all irw looks at assuming lirc is working right

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EnderTheThird:

can I see your lircd.conf file?

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my2keh:

i dunno if I ever used irw before

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my2keh:

yeah one sec

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edge:

whats the best , non hdtv card for linux?

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kdubya:

pvr150

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kdubya:

hauppagge

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kdubya:

the only choice

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kdubya:

the rest are crap

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EnderTheThird:

you haven't checked IR with "irw" from commandline yet?

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rushfan:

Anyone here have a KWORLD ATSC 115 PCI card?

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kdubya:

i do rushfan

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: YEah my pvr-150 is great

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EnderTheThird:

edge: I have a PVR 500. I'm a big fan of dual tuners.

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rushfan:

kdubya: does it work well?

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kdubya:

works just fine

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rushfan:

Like I know it has linux support but Ive heard it has some issues :|

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rushfan:

alright cool, newegg ahs 'em for $56

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kdubya:

never could get the sound working for ntsc but i dont need another ntsc tuner so i didnt care

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edge:

So the General concensus is the PVR 500, would there be any reason why somebody wouldn't like it?

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rushfan:

kdubya: what are you using it for? NTSC/QAM or OTA ATSC?

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kdubya:

QAM

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kdubya:

(ATSC)

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stiev3:

so... linuxMCE looks nuts haha, late to the party. what a video that was.

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EnderTheThird:

edge: You should be fine with any of the Hauppauge cards. Main question after that is if you need the remote with it and/or if you want dual tuners.

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rushfan:

kdubya: cool thats what Im going to use it for

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kdubya:

yeah it works fine

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: no the HDTV Hauppage cards dont work w/ linux

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rushfan:

Like the 1600 and 1800

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kdubya:

you have to set up an aliase for the driver but thats it

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rushfan:

kdubya: does the remote work?

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EnderTheThird:

My bad, any of the analog card :)

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edge:

EnderTheThird, why would their be a need for two tuners?

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kdubya:

never tried

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kdubya:

i have a RF remote

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rushfan:

kdubya: yeah my PVR-150 doesnt even have a remote :|

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rushfan:

RF remote?

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EnderTheThird:

Record more than one show at a time, or record one while watching another live.

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kdubya:

i use the gyration MCE remote

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rushfan:

With the uhh 115?

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kdubya:

it is just recognized as a keyboard

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edge:

EnderTheThird, but i could use this , asis for a "Tivo" kinda solution?

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EnderTheThird:

I have 4 tuners: PVR 500 (dual analog tuner) and an HDHomeRun (dual digital HD tuner)

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kdubya:

and mouse

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kdubya:

you can use any remote you want

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kdubya:

the kworld remote looked like crap

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Huijari:

i just made a remote control application to be used with Nokia 770/N800/N810: http://www.modeemi.fi/~huijar/screenshot_tv.png

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: the HDHomeRun works will?

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Huijari:

it also does music remote control w/ xmms2

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EnderTheThird:

edge: single tuner will give you DVR functions just fine. And you can record one show at a time.

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kdubya:

Huijari, cool

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edge:

EnderTheThird, perfect. Anything i should know going into this? building this system

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my2keh:

http://pastebin.com/m2aaaac2

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Huijari:

i'll just have to add play/pause to the tv remote, i forgot :P

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kdubya:

edge, yeah, you want more than one tuner

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EnderTheThird:

rushfan: Yeah, I love it. Doesn't hog any PCI slots and it works great as an IR receiver for my Harmony 880.

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edge:

kdubya, why more than one tuner for dvr functions?

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kdubya:

dont you want to be able to watch TV and record something at the same time?

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kdubya:

i guess that wouldnt really matter for people that dont watch sports

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: its usb?

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rushfan:

kdubya: yeah I watch mad sports. thats the only reason I want HDTV

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my2keh:

there's my lircd.conf http://pastebin.com/m2aaaac2

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EnderTheThird:

my2keh: open a terminal and enter "irw". it'll give you a blank line after you enter it and you can press buttons on your remote to see if it's receiving/interpreting them correctly"

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EnderTheThird:

rushfan: no, ethernet.

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edge:

kdubya, i have more than one line of coax in my house

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rushfan:

Im praying the Sooners win right now so OSU can go the BCS championship

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edge:

i'd just split it

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

im a texas fan

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rushfan:

OSU = Ohio State

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kdubya:

yeah

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kdubya:

so i want the sooners to lose

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EnderTheThird:

my2keh, do you get any results from irw, or does it not get the remote commands?

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my2keh:

no results from irw

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kdubya:

ou is going to win

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EnderTheThird:

restart lirc and try again

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iamlindoro:

try mode2

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my2keh:

did that already heh

[02:40:45]

kdubya:

missouri is garbage and already losing

[02:41:00]

iamlindoro:

if you don't get anything from mode2, you'll never get anything from irw

[02:41:18]

kdubya:

what is mode2?

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iamlindoro:

irw will only work if the remote is working AND the lircd.conf is correct

[02:41:44]

iamlindoro:

mode2 will work if the remote is working, period

[02:41:46]

EnderTheThird:

my2keh: shouldn't matter, but bits and flags is repeated

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iamlindoro:

ergo no return from mode2 = receiver set up wrong/malfunctioning

[02:42:28]

iamlindoro:

mode2 outputs the raw signals from the remote

[02:42:33]

EnderTheThird:

http://pastebin.com/d27e47d2d

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iamlindoro:

my2keh, did you try mode2?

[02:43:05]

EnderTheThird:

Oops, wait, don't look at that one. That's for MCE, not my Harmony.

[02:44:26]

EnderTheThird:

http://pastebin.com/d396100c6 Use that one for my Harmony conf. I changed some of the button names, but the other stuff should be pretty much the same, I'd think.

[02:45:40]

my2keh:

mode2?

[02:46:25]

iamlindoro:

yes ffs

[02:46:30]

iamlindoro:

I've already explained what it is

[02:46:34]

kdubya:

haha

[02:47:34]

iamlindoro:

no output from mode2 = broken receiver/lirc setup (ie NOT an issue of config files). Output from mode2 but no output from irw = lircd.conf. ONLY lircd.conf.

[02:47:56]

iamlindoro:

ergo, if you get NOTHING from mode2, then your issue is NOT one of config files... it's hardware or your lirc modules

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro, how do you set mode2 for that? i've never used it (or had to, thankfully). it'd be useful to know though, heh

[02:49:00]

iamlindoro:

you type mode2

[02:49:02]

iamlindoro:

thenk enter

[02:49:02]

kdubya:

haha

[02:49:07]

iamlindoro:

then push a button

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iamlindoro:

on the remote

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kdubya:

dude

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kdubya:

WHERE DO YOU TYPE MODE@

[02:49:30]

kdubya:

MODE2

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iamlindoro:

in a fucking terminal

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kdubya:

haha

[02:49:51]

iamlindoro:

haha

[02:49:57]

iamlindoro:

on a computer

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EnderTheThird:

thanks. funny thing is mode2 can't find my remote but lirc is working fine, ha

[02:50:10]

iamlindoro:

then it's mode2 -d lircdevice

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iamlindoro:

or you don't have permissions an need to sudo it

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iamlindoro:

but if irw works you WILL get output from mode2 if you run it properly

[02:51:15]

iamlindoro:

mode2 -? if necessary

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iamlindoro:

and with that, my patience is expended

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iamlindoro:

off to dinner

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EnderTheThird:

I got it. my FE was using the device so it had it locked after I specified /dev/lirc0

[02:51:57]

EnderTheThird:

Thanks. That could come in handy in the future.

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EnderTheThird:

my2keh, did you try mode2?

[02:52:47]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: how much do those HDHomeRun things cost?

[02:52:48]

EnderTheThird:

my device is /dev/lirc0 (that's a zero)

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rushfan:

I actually dont ahve 3 PCI slots like I thought I did :o

[02:52:54]

my2keh:

Yes

[02:52:57]

my2keh:

mode2 gives me stuff

[02:53:00]

rushfan:

so I cant get another PCI card

[02:53:04]

EnderTheThird:

rushfan: I think mine as ~$160

[02:53:09]

my2keh:

sorry I was away for a second

[02:53:10]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: it works perfectly?

[02:53:27]

edge:

So this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116007 , would be an example of a card that would perform fantasticly?

[02:54:02]

kdubya:

that is an example of a pci slot protector as far as myth is concerned

[02:54:09]

EnderTheThird:

No problems here. On rare occasions I need to restart mythbackend on my machine after a restart because it tries to initialize the HDHR before the network connection is up

[02:54:20]

my2keh:

hmmm

[02:54:38]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: where did you order it from?

[02:54:40]

EnderTheThird:

Minor detail and it could be fixed by screwing around with the init scripts. I'll worry about that one some other time.

[02:55:07]

EnderTheThird:

Excellent question. Let me see if I can dig it up. I ordered it back in April-ish.

[02:55:34]

iamlindoro:

my2eh, then your issue is with lircd.conf and that alone

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rushfan:

although that one is a bit pricey. Id have to make it a christmas present. If only I had another god damn pci slot :(

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iamlindoro:

and HVR-1600 has not current linux drivers

[02:56:01]

iamlindoro:

er no

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rushfan:

iamlindoro: yup

[02:56:10]

iamlindoro:

but they are in progress

[02:56:12]

rushfan:

otherwise Id buy that since I have a PCIe slot

[02:56:27]

rushfan:

Ill probably get the HDHomeRun since Im not a huge fan of USB devices anyhow

[02:56:31]

my2keh:

iamlindoro>> ok, but the file hasn't changed since July 22?

[02:56:32]

kdubya:

the 1600 comes in pci-e?

[02:57:09]

edge:

kdubya, Why is that card , to you, a poor buy?

[02:57:10]

iamlindoro:

my2keh, don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that you might have accidentally changed code modes on your harmony... but I can tell you for certain that if mode2=yes and irw=bad, then problem is lircd.conf

[02:57:12]

EnderTheThird:

rushfan: good thing about HDHR is that it doubles as an IR receiver if you put it by your TV and all that

[02:57:26]

kdubya:

edge, it simply does not work in linux

[02:57:28]

kdubya:

no drivers

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my2keh:

i will retry irw again

[02:57:34]

my2keh:

maybe I was on crack

[02:57:43]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: IR reciever?

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my2keh:

ok

[02:57:50]

my2keh:

I'm on crack

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edge:

kdubya, i thought all those cards by that manufactur were supoorted?

[02:57:54]

my2keh:

both are yes

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EnderTheThird:

http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/products/hdhomerun for a list of retailers

[02:58:03]

kdubya:

edge, the new cards are not

[02:58:09]

iamlindoro:

then problem = lircrc or myth compiled without lirc suppory

[02:58:09]

edge:

oh its new

[02:58:13]

my2keh:

mode2=yes and irw=yes

[02:58:21]

rushfan:

Well the HDHomeRun and the USB Gold are the same price. I think the HDHomeRun would be a better choice

[02:58:22]

kdubya:

edge, people have to reverse engineer the card because there are no specs available

[02:58:24]

kdubya:

and that takes time

[02:58:24]

rushfan:

Ethernet as well as dual tuners

[02:58:32]

EnderTheThird:

rushfan: yeah, the HDHR has an IR receiver in it too, so you can route IR signals it receives to lirc on your FE

[02:58:37]

my2keh:

hmm lircrc hasn't changed since oct 11 hmm

[02:58:38]

rushfan:

iamlindoro: you just hook it up to your router and it works? No speed problems over ethernet?

[02:58:48]

edge:

kdubya, i understand the complications of linux and their drivers, its why im doing my home work and not just buying a card

[02:58:55]

rushfan:

woops, I meant EnderTheThird

[02:59:04]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: isnt ethernet slower than PCI And USB/

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kdubya:

ethernet is as fast as your switch/nics

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EnderTheThird:

rushfan: HD doesn't require more than ~10–15mbit at most, so a 100 mbit ethernet has plenty of bandwidth for it.

[02:59:41]

rushfan:

Oh I should be fine though

[02:59:44]

rushfan:

Wireless would def. be iffy

[02:59:58]

EnderTheThird:

Wireless N is the only stable option for HD

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kdubya:

apparently hdhr does work over wifi

[03:00:02]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: oh that thing would be real nice too cause when I get a laptop that could connect to it too

[03:00:09]

EnderTheThird:

802.11g is spotty from what i hear

[03:00:18]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: yeah Im on ethernet though so its all goo

[03:00:36]

edge:

kdubya, this is relitivly older , will this work better http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116625

[03:00:44]

my2keh:

is there 2 locations for lircrc ?

[03:00:58]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: does it work with a remote?

[03:01:00]

kdubya:

edge, if you want a single NTSC tuner, that is the only sane recomendation

[03:01:12]

kdubya:

PVR-150 works perfectly

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feiner:

my2keh: yeah ~/.lircrc and ~/.mythtv/lircrc

[03:01:19]

kdubya:

and has the best picture

[03:01:25]

EnderTheThird:

there's .lircrc in your home folder, and then .mythtv/lircrc that myth gets commands from

[03:01:35]

EnderTheThird:

usually just use a symbolic link so they're the same thing

[03:01:43]

rushfan:

Yeah. I have no complaints about my PVR-150

[03:01:50]

my2keh:

ahh ok...well how can I validate that my .mythtv/lircrc is broken? like i didn't touch it hmm

[03:01:55]

my2keh:

maybe myth isn't seeing it or something?

[03:02:38]

EnderTheThird:

rushfan: there is a command you need to enter via terminal to tell the HDHR to send IR commands to a particular IP, and a command that needs to be entered so lirc searches that port for commands instead of an attached USB IR receiver, but that should only need to be run once if you keep your FE up all the time

[03:02:43]

EnderTheThird:

your FE machine,t hat is

[03:02:47]

feiner:

my2keh: does it even exist

[03:02:55]

my2keh:

yes it does

[03:03:01]

my2keh:

last modified Oct 11th

[03:03:02]

EnderTheThird:

nano .mythtv/lircrc to make sure all the commands are in there

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feiner:

my2keh: whats in it

[03:03:13]

EnderTheThird:

make sure it's not an empty file

[03:03:17]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: do you use a remote iwth it?

[03:03:26]

my2keh:

stuff like: # Record = Start recording.

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my2keh:

begin

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my2keh:

prog = mythtv

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my2keh:

button = Record

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my2keh:

config = r

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my2keh:

end

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feiner:

is lircd running?

[03:03:51]

EnderTheThird:

rushfan: yeah, I use a Harmony 880 (acting as mceusb)

[03:04:14]

my2keh:

root@mythtv:/home/mythtv/.mythtv# ps aux | grep lircd

[03:04:14]

my2keh:

root 5259 0.0 0.0 2716 616 ? Ss 20:50 0:00 /usr/sbin/lircd

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my2keh:

yup

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edge:

kdubya, NTSC? being a standard signal , like regualr cable? i have a cable though our local proficder though a box that makes it digital ... but im only interested in recording one chan , will this work?

[03:04:24]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: now I just have to convince myself that its a good investment

[03:04:33]

EnderTheThird:

Works like a champ. I added 2 lines in an init script to start lirc with it looking at the right ports, which was easy

[03:04:53]

kdubya:

edge, yes, NTSC is regular analog cable

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feiner:

my2keh: does lirc work other than mythtv and its just mythtv that doesnt work?

[03:05:03]

EnderTheThird:

As long as you don't mind only ATSC or clear QAM, you're good

[03:05:14]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: well I have a PVR-150 so its not a problem.

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my2keh:

umm I don't using anything other then mythtv so I don't know?

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kdubya:

digital cable you are most likely screwed unless that one channel is a local network station

[03:05:16]

EnderTheThird:

It still can't receive encrypted HD channels

[03:05:35]

rushfan:

Well there is another benefit of this thing. I can put it in another room so I dont need a cable splitter which would weaken my already weak signal in this room

[03:05:43]

kdubya:

unless you run it through the box and use and IR blaster

[03:05:47]

kdubya:

an*

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jhulst:

I'm trying to setup a frontend on Fedora, I can connect to backend database with 'mysql -h host -p mythtv -u mythconverg' on the remote host, but going through mythfrontend won't connect

[03:06:19]

EnderTheThird:

rushfan: minor detail with the HDHR is that it's dual tuner, but has 2 separate inputs so you'll need to split the cable.

[03:06:21]

feiner:

my2keh: from terminal run irw

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kdubya:

jhulst, you compiling or did you use the atrpms packages?

[03:06:31]

feiner:

and push buttons on your remote

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jhulst:

kdubya: atrpms

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my2keh:

irw works fine

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: split the cable for dual tuning?

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: did splitting the cable reduce quality?

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kdubya:

jhulst, did you set the backend IP with mythtv-setup?

[03:07:04]

rushfan:

Well if I put the thing in my room Id have to triple split it, so Id be a bit screwed there

[03:07:11]

EnderTheThird:

my2keh: if irw is working fine, MythTV needs to be restarted sometimes if lirc wasn't working when the FE was started earlier

[03:07:26]

my2keh:

ok, i'll give that a whilr

[03:07:30]

jhulst:

kdubya: on the backend? yes

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EnderTheThird:

rushfan: it's digital, so it shouldn't matter much. If you get a signal, you get a signal.

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rushfan:

ok

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feiner:

my2keh: when you push the buttons it returns whatever is writtin in the "button" portions of your lircrc

[03:07:44]

rushfan:

true Im not on analog anymore with that thing

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kdubya:

jhulst, no, on the frontend

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EnderTheThird:

My cable is split ungodly #'s of times. I need 4 inputs: 2 for HDHR, 1 for PVR 500, and 1 for my cable modem.

[03:08:04]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: can mythtv record two things at once and watch live tv?

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kdubya:

the frontend does not care about the DB

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rushfan:

or can it only had two tuners at a time? Cause I still have the PVR-150

[03:08:17]

kdubya:

it just needs to find the backend

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jhulst:

kdubya: I don't even have mythtv-setup installed on the frontend, I didn't know it was necessary

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feiner:

rushfan: depends how many tuners you have

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kdubya:

oh

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kdubya:

its very necessary

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rushfan:

feiner: Id have 3 tuners

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my2keh:

feiner>> how would I check htat, against lircrc?

[03:08:40]

EnderTheThird:

rushfan: if you have 3 tuners, yes, or if the program you're watching live is one of the ones you want to record.

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kdubya:

are you following the fedora mythtv guide?

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EnderTheThird:

dual tuner = record 2 shows and watch one that's already been recorded, or record 1 and watch/record another live

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feiner:

run irw push the record button, compare with the record section of lircrc you pasted here earlier, repeat for other buttons

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my2keh:

ok sec

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EnderTheThird:

but as long as your BE can handle the HDD load (shouldn't be too bad), yeah

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feiner:

rushfan: yeah you could watch one thing live and record 2 others

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kdubya:

jhulst, http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/

[03:09:51]

kdubya:

if you are not following that you should be

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my2keh:

well the lircrc doesn't have stuff like 000000037ff07bdd

[03:09:59]

feiner:

rushfan: could record 3 things and watch a seperate recording too

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EnderTheThird:

I can record 4 shows at once, ha. I rarely, if ever, need to, but there used to be one night during the week where 3 shows at one time made me use it

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my2keh:

the lircd.conf does

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jhulst:

kdubya: okay, thanks

[03:10:31]

my2keh:

and it matches OK!

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my2keh:

000000037ff07bdd for OK

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EnderTheThird:

Speaking of which, do any of you know how to tell an FE only to use a certain tuner? I might have a wireless FE set up soon that only has enough bandwidth and cpu to handle analog from PVR 500, and I don't want it defaulting to HDHR tuners when it starts up

[03:11:21]

feiner:

my2keh thats just the code your remote passes to lircd lircd translates it to whatever its named then its interpreted by mythtv by mythtv looking at lircrc

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my2keh:

ahh yeah, well it picks up as the OK button

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feiner:

my2keh: but you want that button to be record?

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my2keh:

no no

[03:12:43]

my2keh:

it's meant to be OK

[03:12:48]

my2keh:

it seems to be working

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my2keh:

I think I just need to restart the front end

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feiner:

yeah, give that a shot, if it still dont work dunno what to tell ya

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EnderTheThird:

if only we could trust people to ssh into our machines to quick diagnose things like that, heh

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my2keh:

voodoo! heh

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yotux:

I bought an IR blaster and now have no idea what I need to do to use it any one offer some help

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kdubya:

yotux, you are unlikely to get help like that

[03:15:44]

kdubya:

follow a guide and ask a specific question when you get stuck

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EnderTheThird:

yotux, that is a pretty in depth problem. they should have guides that do it pretty much step-by-step though

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kdubya:

yotux, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_an . . . _with_MythTV

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monkeyBox:

Does anyone know if the SnapStream FireFly RF remote works w/ linux?

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kavorka^:

using mythtv on gentoo with a dual dvb-t card and recently have been having major issues getting it lock onto a particular channel, whereas in the past it was fine...all other channels are fine. i've looked up the frequency and edited transport editor, but it is a hit and miss affair. does anyone know how i can troubleshoot the problem?

[03:20:07]

my2keh:

restarting frontend now

[03:21:31]

my2keh:

fuck a duck it works!

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my2keh:

i dunno what I did though heh

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

i do that all the time

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kdubya:

i dont know why half my shit works

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my2keh:

that doesn't make me feel good though heh

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EnderTheThird:

That's the beauty of MythTV. You get to learn so much about your computer. Even though most of what you learn is that you don't know a fucking thing about your computer, but oh well.

[03:25:31]

my2keh:

but I'm afraid if I reboot it'll break again

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galileo:

Every time I try to "Watch TV" or a few other actions, I get an error: "could not contact the master backend server." I've tried various combinations of real IP, 127.0.0.1, host names, and have verified all the database passwords, but nothing seems to work. I've seen a couple forum posts about similar problems, but they all seem to end in, "Oh, nevermind. I figured it out." with no explanation. I'm stuck.

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Anduin:

galileo: It wants an IP address there, and this is a single FE/BE machine?

[03:27:19]

kavorka^:

galileo: are your frontend and backends on two separate pcs?

[03:27:38]

galileo:

single machine (for now)

[03:28:33]

Anduin:

galileo: and the backend is running (yes I know, it is obvious)?

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: if poeple were smart nobody would use TiVO or DVRs cause everyone would have a mythtv setup, or windows alternative. When was the last time a tivo set-up had 4 tuners

[03:29:26]

EnderTheThird:

rushfan: I agree. I do miss digital cable, but I'm short on time and cash so this setup keeps me on budget too, haha

[03:29:33]

kdubya:

when was the last time mythtv could get encrypted cable or satellite

[03:29:46]

kdubya:

i can see a ton of reasons why people would use tivo or cable company dvr

[03:29:49]

galileo:

anduin: well, obvious, but somehow annoyingly overlooked.

[03:29:54]

EnderTheThird:

rushfan: a 65" 1080p DLP is great, but only having network HD channels is a bummer sometimes

[03:29:57]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: same and I dont watch enough tv to justify getting digital

[03:30:03]

monkeyBox:

Does anyone know where I can get a USB-IR receiver that works w/ lirc?

[03:30:13]

monkeyBox:

My mobo doesn't have serial :-(

[03:30:16]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: I have only a 60" DLP projector

[03:30:32]

EnderTheThird:

rushfan: yeah, my cable provider charges out the butt for digital, and their HD DVRs are $18/mo. My equipment will pay for itself in about 1.5 years or so.

[03:30:32]

rushfan:

but I watch most of my TV on my 17" LCD anyhow

[03:30:52]

galileo:

Now I've got a picture and now sound. It works when I watch videos, but the TV is silent

[03:31:02]

EnderTheThird:

I watch most on the TV with the surround sound setup, but the option to watch it on the 20" LCD in my room is nice

[03:31:03]

kdubya:

haha

[03:31:10]

kdubya:

$18/month is absurd

[03:31:16]

EnderTheThird:

kdubya: exactly!

[03:31:17]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: could I watch tv on a windows computer with the HDHomeRun?

[03:31:24]

kdubya:

i think its $6 extra for an HD DVR here

[03:31:29]

kdubya:

HD box is free

[03:31:36]

galileo:

eh, nevermind... just a mixer issue.

[03:31:40]

rushfan:

Cause I could put my rarely used windows box in my basement and run a long, long ethernet cable into the basement

[03:31:59]

galileo:

anduin: thanks for the beat-down with the obvious stick.

[03:32:00]

EnderTheThird:

rushfan: it's compatible with Windows, yeah. I'm not sure if MythTV "locks" the device or not though, so I'm not sure you could use it with Myth and Windows at the same time

[03:32:13]

EnderTheThird:

http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/products/hdhomerun

[03:32:26]

rushfan:

Although I only get 1080i not 1080p. EnderTheThird, well I Wouldnt watch bot hat the same time so its all good

[03:32:45]

kdubya:

no one broadcasts in 1080p anyway

[03:32:49]

rushfan:

Bette yet I could just use my old junk laptop and put mythtv on that thing

[03:33:09]

EnderTheThird:

kdubya: I was paying $13/mo for just network channels. I finally said screw it and got the basic cable package (analog). that brings my total to about $45/mo for cable, which is still awful when it's analog

[03:33:29]

EnderTheThird:

That DOES include HD channels, but only major network HD (ABC, CBS, etc.)

[03:33:40]

kdubya:

time warner does not distinguish between analog, digital or HD

[03:33:44]

kdubya:

it all costs the same

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EnderTheThird:

Buckeye Cable is a more regional provider, so they're real assholes. But they do have CW in HD when TWC doesn't (my mom has TWC)

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: this HDHomeRun thing is going tobe great. I never thought of getting HD on my projector too

[03:34:45]

kdubya:

yeah thats true

[03:34:45]

EnderTheThird:

CW in HD was way cooler when Smallville hadn't jumped the shark yet though. Supernatural isn't all that bad though

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kdubya:

but i am niether in me teens nor a minority so i dont need CW

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kdubya:

heh

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rushfan:

Damn it. Do I want to use a cat5 or cat 6 w/ that thing

[03:35:19]

rushfan:

I cant remember now.

[03:35:22]

kdubya:

rushfan, either

[03:35:25]

EnderTheThird:

rushfan: It's a steep investment at first, but worth it in the long run, especially if you take advantage of the IR. Being able to put it just about anywhere because of the ethernet connection is great too.

[03:35:30]

rushfan:

Yeah I get CW in HD but cant say Ive ever watched it

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: having a 300 ft ethernet cable running from my room, down a laundry chute, to my basement projector should be interesting though

[03:36:04]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: what kind of projector do oyu have?

[03:36:19]

EnderTheThird:

Toshiba 65hm167

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rushfan:

I have a Eiki EIP-10v. Its not bad

[03:36:45]

EnderTheThird:

Hope it's not really 300 ft, I think ethernet starts to lose signal strength around that length, heh.

[03:36:56]

rushfan:

It's gonna br at least 100

[03:36:59]

rushfan:

im about to measure that right now

[03:37:24]

EnderTheThird:

Only problem is the overscan makes me manually adjust my myth size because it chops at least an inch from each side of my desktop

[03:37:24]

rushfan:

and uhh... would a VGA connection ot my projector affter how good that high def is going to look or is it more or less fine?

[03:37:28]

rushfan:

cause my monitors are DVI

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kdubya:

rushfan, do you live in a freaking mansion?

[03:37:39]

rushfan:

Yeah I do that with my PVR-150

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EnderTheThird:

Can't find the right settings to change to adjust it in the service menu either. I should call out the warranty folks and have them adjust it, but meh

[03:37:55]

rushfan:

kdubya: no Im just terrible at estimating differences

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rushfan:

and I am going from a 2nd floor to a basement

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rushfan:

which accounts for a-lot of the distance

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: is that the HDHomeRuns fault?

[03:39:16]

rushfan:

A floor is what, about 12 feet high?

[03:39:22]

rushfan:

So I really need a cable thats like 75feet long

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EnderTheThird:

rushfan: no, not at all. just Toshiba automatically having overscan so people don't see any of the "junk" at the edges of broadcasts when they watch TV

[03:40:40]

rushfan:

Oh. Its the projector?

[03:40:44]

EnderTheThird:

yeah

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: I take it you have a laptop or something hooked up to that projector?

[03:41:20]

EnderTheThird:

rushfan: nope, full desktop with DVI -> HDMI cable. It's my main BE and FE, with another FE in my bedroom

[03:41:59]

EnderTheThird:

And an optical out to my receiver. Speaking of which, anyone know how to pipe all analog sound through an optical connection? Sometimes analog audio isn't played (mostly from .avi's)

[03:42:28]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: oh that thing has HDMI.

[03:42:33]

rushfan:

Mine is pre-HDMI. It has component

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, that's why I sold my old 57" CRT HDTV. Convergence was starting to get hosed too and that thing was a total whore to move, ha

[03:44:17]

rushfan:

Ill probably just use a VGA hook-up

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: to get the dolby digital 5.1 would pc need a 5.1 sound card?

[03:45:26]

EnderTheThird:

If you have a receiver to do the decoding, you should just need some sort of digital out on your PC (either coaxial or optical)

[03:45:50]

EnderTheThird:

It's just going to pass through the digital audio to your receiver anyway. No decoding on the PC's part.

[03:46:02]

rushfan:

Yeah I dont have optical out cause my sound card is a shitty AC'97 :( (on the windows box)

[03:46:13]

rushfan:

Granted I could get a cheap pc w/ optical out

[03:46:16]

EnderTheThird:

But if you're doing sound through your computer, then you'll need a 5.1 capable card and speaker system, of course.

[03:46:47]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: when Im done my set-up is going to crazyy

[03:47:00]

EnderTheThird:

Son of a bitch. It seems that my overscan can't be adjusted through the service menu and needs to be done mechanically by a tech. Guess hhgregg is getting a call next week!

[03:47:39]

EnderTheThird:

rushfan: I hear you. I'm trying to get my Nokia n810 to get transcoded A/V from my BE too, but I can't get gmythstream for my 64 bit BE anywhere

[03:47:50]

rushfan:

why does a tech have to come adjust the overscan?

[03:47:56]

rushfan:

How would the tech adjust it if you cant?

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EnderTheThird:

They need to adjust the lenses in the TV set. It can't be done through the service menu

[03:49:23]

rushfan:

Oh its a lense adjustment?

[03:49:25]

EnderTheThird:

I'm not opening the thing up and doing all that if they can send someone to do it. I'll be damned if I paid $500 for an extended warranty for nothin!

[03:49:26]

EnderTheThird:

Yeah

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: wait you have a TV set?

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rushfan:

I thought you said you had a projecotr

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EnderTheThird:

It's a DLP RPTV

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rushfan:

Oh.

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rushfan:

Mine is like a projector projector. Its mounted on my ceiling and I have a screen on the wall

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EnderTheThird:

Niiiice.

[03:51:28]

rushfan:

Yeah so I can connect DVI -> VGA directly into it

[03:52:34]

EnderTheThird:

Mine has 3 HDMI and a VGA, but VGA is limited by 1024x768, which is a little ridiculous

[03:52:50]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: I think my VGA might have the same issue :|

[03:52:51]

rushfan:

Im not sure

[03:53:28]

EnderTheThird:

It's not a huge deal, as the only other HDMI device I could imagine having would be a BD player, as I have my 360 and PC hooked up via HDMI now

[03:53:41]

rushfan:

"Maximum: 1280x1024 Pixels" guess not

[03:53:43]

EnderTheThird:

And if it came to it, I could always get a better receiver with HDMI switching

[03:54:03]

EnderTheThird:

Still weird how they don't allow proper 1080p resolutions with VGA though

[03:54:28]

rushfan:

Well, 1080p is 1280x720 right?

[03:54:49]

EnderTheThird:

1920x1080

[03:54:59]

EnderTheThird:

720p is 1280x720

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rushfan:

Yeah. Bigger than my projector too

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wasabi:

Hwody. CableCard question. Lets say I get one of these. Can MythTV use it? I assume actually my v4l stack would have to use it.

[03:55:41]

kdubya:

wasabi, in all of our dreams

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EnderTheThird:

wasabi: no way

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wasabi:

Hmm. That sucks.

[03:56:21]

kdubya:

understatement

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EnderTheThird:

your only option for encrypted content is to use a box from your cable company and use an IR blaster and record via the video out from that box

[03:56:50]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: are there tv cards for linux with HDMI inputs or component?

[03:56:55]

EnderTheThird:

Unless your cable supplier rocks and allows the video to be sent via firewire from the box, but not many do

[03:56:58]

rushfan:

that would be handy

[03:57:02]

kdubya:

rushfan ohio state is in now

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rushfan:

kdubya: W. Va lost?

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EnderTheThird:

I've seen a few video cards or mobo's with onboard HDMI

[03:57:15]

kdubya:

yeah

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rushfan:

good god

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rushfan:

yy

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EnderTheThird:

not too many

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kdubya:

and missourii is about to

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rushfan:

kdubya: yewah

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EnderTheThird:

but DVI = HDMI, so all you need is an HDMI/DVI cable and you're fine

[03:57:42]

rushfan:

So it could be like OS vs. Georgia or OSU vs LSU

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EnderTheThird:

they're the same signal, just different connectors and DVI won't carry audio

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wasabi:

Well, hows the IR blaster crap work then?

[03:58:25]

kdubya:

wasabi, if you do that it wont be HD

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wasabi:

And how would said box hook to to a PC if not oh

[03:58:30]

wasabi:

=(

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EnderTheThird:

when you tell Myth to change channels, it sends commands via an IR blaster and changes the channel on your box that way

[03:58:46]

wasabi:

n/m then. no HD it's not worth it.

[03:58:54]

EnderTheThird:

but even then, I don't know of any computer that take component or HDMI in and allow you to record that way

[03:58:56]

kdubya:

there is no way to record HD cable

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EnderTheThird:

You could output it directly to your TV though and be able to watch it live

[03:59:15]

kdubya:

unless you get incredibly lucky and you have clear QAM or firewire output on the channels you want

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wasabi:

How's it output to the TV, HDCP?

[03:59:42]

kdubya:

wasabi, if your TV supports cablecard it uses that to decrypt it

[03:59:46]

EnderTheThird:

probably, but if you output straight to TV you of course lose mythtv functionality anyway

[03:59:49]

kdubya:

otherwise, a TV is in the same situation

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wasabi:

Sure, how does the coompany's tuner get it to the TV?

[04:00:05]

kdubya:

you can get your local channels

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kdubya:

it is only a problem if you want ESPN HD, Discovery HD, etc

[04:00:34]

EnderTheThird:

it probably wouldn't NEED hdcp if it's coming form a STB anyway though, because it's already being decrypted by the box. You'd be able to get the HD signal to your TV no problem, just not into MythTV for recording

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wasabi:

Well, again, say I have the company's tuner box, and plug it into a HDTV. WHat's that doing?

[04:01:29]

kdubya:

your TV is not having to compress that stream and save it to a hard disk

[04:01:31]

EnderTheThird:

It's decrypting the signals from the cable and sending the A/V to your TV

[04:01:33]

kdubya:

it is just playing it

[04:01:39]

wasabi:

uh huh. what signal is that using?

[04:01:40]

dwilson805:

I just installed mythtv svn onto a brand-new ubuntu installation. Where can I find the init.d script for mythbackend in the svn tree?

[04:01:49]

kdubya:

it is using DVI/HDMI

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kdubya:

that is uncompressed

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wasabi:

So upwards of a shit ton of data.

[04:02:08]

wasabi:

How fast of a CPU to record? :)

[04:02:10]

kdubya:

your cable box takes the compressed signal from the wall and uncrompresses it

[04:02:15]

EnderTheThird:

wasabi: you'd have to have some EXPENSIVE PC hardware to be able to take that stream from the STB and record in hd

[04:02:22]

kdubya:

its not possible to do in realtime

[04:02:38]

kdubya:

its gay

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wasabi:

Oh I beg to differ. Everything is negotiable. :)

[04:02:46]

wasabi:

A 1080p stream is like 10gbs?

[04:02:49]

kdubya:

you should probably just got postal on the cable company

[04:02:51]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: Is optical audio basically digital audio out?

[04:02:58]

EnderTheThird:

rushfan: yep

[04:03:08]

wasabi:

I have a lot of storage. I can have many quad cores.

[04:03:19]

wasabi:

How much data we talking?

[04:03:30]

EnderTheThird:

wasabi: you can ask the cable company if they have STB's that output audio/video through firewire, if not, you're hosed

[04:03:40]

kdubya:

there are no drivers for a device that can capture hdmi anyway

[04:03:43]

EnderTheThird:

even with the money and horsepower, there's no software or hardware to do that

[04:03:44]

kdubya:

give it up

[04:03:44]

kdubya:

heh

[04:03:53]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: you should see this diagram of my home multimedia set-up now

[04:03:57]

rushfan:

its craziness

[04:04:24]

EnderTheThird:

rushfan: I have a 1 bedroom apt and it's geeked out. once I'm an MD my house will be totally pimped out, ha

[04:04:30]

wasabi:

What about blackmagics card?

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kdubya:

wasabi, no drivers

[04:04:47]

wasabi:

Blah.

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: what kind of doctor you want to be?

[04:05:07]

kdubya:

someone sends a message to the mailing list about that card like twice a week

[04:05:08]

wasabi:

Windows drivers. 10gbs? I mean, that could be Made To Work.

[04:05:18]

rushfan:

EnderTheThird: My set-up could be better, but I live with parents still

[04:05:19]

kdubya:

if you REALLY want to do it

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kdubya:

your only choice is a hacked sattelite box

[04:05:30]

rushfan:

But by craziness I dont mean sweetness. I just mean complex

[04:05:34]

EnderTheThird:

rushfan: not sure yet. i apply to med schools in the summer

[04:05:37]

wasabi:

I'd need the ability to read and ship off the data to antoher system that fast.

[04:05:40]

rushfan:

Like a ridiculous amount of cables runnign all over the place

[04:05:44]

wasabi:

That system wouldn't do permanent storage.

[04:06:48]

EnderTheThird:

wasabi: our best hope is probably people hacking Tivo boxes using CableCARDs to work with MythTV instead

[04:06:49]

kdubya:

wasabi, it just aint happenin until something changes

[04:07:08]

kdubya:

search the mailing list archives

[04:07:13]

kdubya:

it has been discussed to death

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wasabi:

Hmm.

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kdubya:

im suprised no one has figured out how to hack tivo HD to work as a tuner

[04:09:20]

wasabi:

Hmm. That card does inboard encoding too.

[04:09:30]

kdubya:

they are pretty cheap now

[04:09:37]

wasabi:

100Mbs is slow enough for me.

[04:09:42]

wasabi:

I have a lot of drives. =)

[04:10:23]

EnderTheThird:

kdubya: i agree

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kdubya:

heh, unless you are writing all the drivers yourself wasabi

[04:10:30]

wasabi:

I'd relay it through a windows box.

[04:10:33]

kdubya:

you are not going to find any help with it

[04:10:40]

wasabi:

I have no problem plopping a WIndows VM in the chain.

[04:10:48]

wasabi:

http://www.engadget.com/2005/07/21/the-clicke . . . -red-button/ Heard of that I assume?

[04:10:49]

kdubya:

well good luck with that

[04:11:03]

kdubya:

HDCP is not the problem

[04:11:08]

kdubya:

strippers are cheap

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EnderTheThird:

a hacked tivo box would be nice. It's Linux in there anyway :-/

[04:11:22]

wasabi:

Well, a lot of assumptions. I've done a wee bit of DirectShow programming. KNow how to pull a source. Relay to a socket, spew to a Linux box, feed into Mythtv.

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wasabi:

assuming it's even a directshow driver

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wasabi:

Well that's all very interesting.

[04:17:08]

kdubya:

heh

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EnderTheThird:

best to avoid the topic, it's only frustrating, heh

[04:18:07]

wasabi:

I do wonder about the Tivo thing.

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: is there any real advantage to coax or optical out or is either just as good?

[04:19:05]

wasabi:

for audio?

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rushfan:

yeah

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wasabi:

no difference. same shit. signal might last longer over a long distance with optical. it's digial though. quality doesn't reduce over distance... it just stops working.

[04:20:30]

EnderTheThird:

shouldn't matter either way. just as long as you have the inputs on your receiver for either one

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wasabi:

if it works, it's the same quality.

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rushfan:

I have both. I need a cheap soundcard w/ digital out now

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EnderTheThird:

so just go by what you have available on your receiver

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rushfan:

know of any?

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EnderTheThird:

oooh, then go with whatever's cheaper

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EnderTheThird:

i'm using an old audigy 2

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wasabi:

I bought me a ... 30 ft coax cable.

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wasabi:

works fine.

[04:21:13]

wasabi:

way longer than required.

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rushfan:

My reciever has 2 coaxs and one optical. Im only using one coax right now

[04:21:40]

rushfan:

I have a $100 soundcard in this machine but this isnt the one thats gonna conncet to the projector

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rushfan:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829118105 --> I think thats the cheapest I can do

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wasabi:

there's not much logic in a digital only sound card is there. hehe.

[04:23:12]

wasabi:

small cpu to convert one digital signal to another.

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rushfan:

wasabi: huh? Well I dont need any other audio out

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wasabi:

wish receivers had ethernet inputs. :)

[04:23:39]

EnderTheThird:

Might want to check if there's any list of "linux friendly" soundcards, if it'd even make much of a difference

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wasabi:

most of the onboard stuff these days works fine in linux.

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rushfan:

wasabi: this isnt onboard

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wasabi:

my myth box has ... some onboard via thing.

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EnderTheThird:

they still have those joystick ports on sound cards?

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EnderTheThird:

holy crap, haha

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rushfan:

EnderTheThird: I could just use windows I guess

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rushfan:

if Im not recording it doesnt really matter

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rushfan:

itd actually make things a-lot easier

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EnderTheThird:

yeah

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EnderTheThird:

alright fellas, I'm outta here

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rushfan:

wtf

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rushfan:

since when do LCDs get burn-in?

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EnderTheThird:

later

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Toxicity999:

rushfan They seem to, sort of, it's a bit different. Mine has something like that.

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rushfan:

Toxicity999: my issue is that I have dual monitors. I cant have a screensaver in only one monitor

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xris:

rushfan: why not?

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dwilson805:

what network port does mythbackend use by default?

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rushfan:

xris: cause X isnt set-up to do that?

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rushfan:

xris: do you know how it can be done?

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xris:

rushfan: should be feasible as long as you have separate X screens for each monitor (i.e. no xinerama)

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Toxicity999:

that's what I was thinking

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rushfan:

I have xinerama

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rushfan:

Because it has many advantages

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Toxicity999:

launch your screensaver daemon as DISPLAY=:0.1 in a dual screens case.

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Toxicity999:

or 0.0

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Toxicity999:

whichever you'd like.

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GreyFoxx:

rushfan: with xlock as least you can specify a -geometry

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Toxicity999:

true.

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rushfan:

GreyFoxx: lock?

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GreyFoxx:

can't say I've ever tried other than fullscreen myself

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Toxicity999:

but doesn't that lock X as a whole, just display where you say?

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Toxicity999:

You could wrap your own screensaver daemon, wouldn't be insanely hard

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rushfan:

Toxicity999: how do I launch my screensaver daemon with that option?

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Toxicity999:

or just manually spawn one.

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Toxicity999:

rushfan wel you use Xinerama, so it doesn't apply

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GreyFoxx:

rushfan: xlock is the screensaver/lock that comes with X. You can tell it to not force a password and therefore act like a normal screensaver

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Toxicity999:

but if it were multiple screens it's just a variable ie, DISPLAY=0.0 /screensaver/daemon

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Toxicity999:

*It'd

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GreyFoxx:

I can only assume xscreensaver will allow the same

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Toxicity999:

Not much is xinerama aware, or really can be short of really manual things like geometry.

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Toxicity999:

I wish xinerama declared virtual screens atleast

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Toxicity999:

then you could get around things stretching when you didn't want it to, etc.

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rushfan:

and optical audio is 5.1 right? Or it can hold a 5.1 stream anyhow, right?

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kdubya:

it can yes

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rushfan:

good good

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rushfan:

great. a severe winter storm is setting in

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kdubya:

i have my air conditioning on

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Toxicity999:

I have my winter jacket on.

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kdubya:

heh

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rushfan:

kdubya: where do you live?

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kdubya:

austin

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Toxicity999:

its 10F here right now...

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Toxicity999:

-5 with the wind

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kdubya:

i think we got close to 80 today

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rushfan:

Is 13.1 ft the longest optical cables get?

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kdubya:

they have 100ft on monoprice

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kdubya:

if you are looking for cables and you are not at monoprice.com you are making a mistake

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rushfan:

kdubya: yeah good call

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rushfan:

those prices are good

[05:05:03]

kdubya:

yeah

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kdubya:

for ANY kind of cable

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kdubya:

there is really no reason to look anywhere else

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rushfan:

kdubya: maybe Ill get my cat6 from there too

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kdubya:

yeah, i would

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rushfan:

actually newegg's cat6 price was better ;|

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rushfan:

100ft for 10.00

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kdubya:

suprising

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rushfan:

Wow. This whole set-up doesnt cost as much as I thought it would. About $250

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jhulst:

so if I get this, Waiting for prebuffer, every once in a while in mythtv, does that mean the network is lagging?

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rushfan:

jhulst: is your frontend and backend seperated?

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jhulst:

rushfan: yes

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jhulst:

with a NAS sitting in there too

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kdubya:

so you are recording to NAS?

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jhulst:

kdubya: For right now, I figured I'd try that first

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kdubya:

that is probably where the buffering is

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kdubya:

it has to build up some buffer in the recording file before it sends it to the frontend

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rushfan:

Theres an idea. I should get a 1TB drive and have a common drive between the two machines too

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kdubya:

what are you building two machines for?

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rushfan:

actually, instead of setting up myht on two machines, I should just set up front end on one

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rushfan:

thatd be smarter :|

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jhulst:

rushfan: As I'm seeing now, it's not working so great, I tried setting it up with freenas and I think it's maxing out my network :)

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kdubya:

most people dont need a dedicated backend

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kdubya:

especially if you live with your parents :)

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rushfan:

kdubya: well wouldnt it just make sense if Im going to have two machines?

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rushfan:

I can share recordings, etc.

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rushfan:

not have to set-up two machines with the backend

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kdubya:

even with two machines, one could be a combined frontend backend, and the other one just a frontend

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rushfan:

kdubya: thats what I mean

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kdubya:

yeah

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rushfan:

So the frontend wouldnt store recordings, would it?

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kdubya:

thats what i planned on doing but i was too lazy to set up the second machine

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rushfan:

in fact, it wouldnt even need a tuner card

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kdubya:

right

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kdubya:

right

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kdubya:

just a NIC

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rushfan:

kdubya: see I have a 60" DLP 1080i projecotr in my basement

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rushfan:

so Im going to get an ATSC tuner, and go to town

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kdubya:

rushfan, have you ever used myth?

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rushfan:

kdubya: yeah

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kdubya:

ok

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rushfan:

I have it on this machine with an NTSC tuner

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rushfan:

But I have a computer in another room that is never used

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rushfan:

so why not just put it in the basement

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rushfan:

Although Im just gonna use knoppmyth or something on it instead of fscking around installing gentoo on another computer

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

they need to be exactly the same version

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kdubya:

so you will probably have to install from source on top of knoppmyth

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rushfan:

Oh they do? damn

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rushfan:

I could use different front ends and back ends, but...

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rushfan:

my tuner is gonna be an ethernet things

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rushfan:

so the two backends could get into a war over who has control

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kdubya:

yeah they would fight over it

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rushfan:

now it has two tuners, so I could divvy them up

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rushfan:

but then I lose the advantage of recording one HD program while watchign another on the same machine

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rushfan:

whatever

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rushfan:

Not like compiling from source is that scary

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kdubya:

i find it easier

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kdubya:

especially to update

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rushfan:

yeah

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rushfan:

when I first started using SUSE I didnt know hwat RPMs so I compiled everythign from tarballs

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rushfan:

but as you can imagine taht didnt last long as dependencies were a nightmare

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rushfan:

I learned a hell of a-lot from doing it though

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rushfan:

kdubya: all recordings are stored on the backend machine, right?

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kdubya:

you can store them wherever you want with truck

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kdubya:

trunk*

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rushfan:

trunk

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rushfan:

?

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kdubya:

SVN

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rushfan:

I mena I could just store 'em all on the backend machine, right?

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rushfan:

thats kinda what I would like to do

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rushfan:

kdubya: the only issue is that my gentoo machine auto-updates every day. so on occasion my frontend will be broke nand Ill have to update it

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kdubya:

how does gentoo work?

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kdubya:

do you have to compile everything or something wierd like that?

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rushfan:

how do I get my mythtv user database password?

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rushfan:

kdubya: well everything is compiled, but it uses ebuilds. So it pulls all dependencies in for you

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kdubya:

it is most likely mythtv

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rushfan:

its actually, imo, the most superior package management of all the linux distros

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jhulst:

the package management is nice, it just can take forever to update/install :)

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jhulst:

kdubya: So I should take the NAS out for the live tv recordings? It should be okay for recorded programs correct?

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kdubya:

your password for the database is in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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kdubya:

jhulst, it should work

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kdubya:

with the NAS

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jhulst:

what should work, the recorded programs or live tv?

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kdubya:

all of it

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rushfan:

Im gonna have to read a few howtos on running a backend and frontend on a network

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kdubya:

unless you have a slow network

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kdubya:

rushfan, there is really nothing to it, you just changed the IP for the backend from localhost to the remote one

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jhulst:

kdubya: it's running off a linksys wrt54g router, all machines at 100 mbps

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rushfan:

kdubya: yeah but the other computer couldnt connect to the SQL server on this machine :|

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rushfan:

the username and password were entered correctly

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kdubya:

you running it wireless jhulst?

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jhulst:

kdubya: none of the machines involved in the tv loop

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jhulst:

It worked fine except for the first minute or so it would stutter

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kdubya:

that may be normal

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kdubya:

if it is my plans to buy a nas are going to change

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jhulst:

kdubya: The nas is running freenas, I should do some benchmarks to see transfer speeds

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kdubya:

yeah

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rushfan:

well knoppmyth cant connect to the mysql server on this machine :|

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rushfan:

I might have mysql configured wrong I guess

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kdubya:

doesnt knoppmyth configure it for you

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rushfan:

I mean on this machine

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kdubya:

oh

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kdubya:

well, if you are just trying to run the frontend it shouldnt need to see the DB

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rushfan:

kdubya: no?

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rushfan:

well its trying to connect anyhow :|

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kdubya:

i think

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kdubya:

well, i have been wrong in the past

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kdubya:

only like once or twice though

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jhulst:

For me it needed to see the db

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jhulst:

rushfan: make sure you grant permissions across the network in mysql and you also probably need to edit my.cnf

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rushfan:

Im getting Error 1130

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jhulst:

can you do 'mysql -h host -u mythtv -p mythconverg'?

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kdubya:

thats cool

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kdubya:

i lied that same lie to both of you today

[06:00:13]

kdubya:

the frontend does need to get to mysql

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jhulst:

kdubya: :) yup, I got over it though

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jhulst:

kdubya: and I don't think you need to run mythtv-setup, mythtvfrontend will do it

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kdubya:

people so shouldnt listen to me

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kdubya:

or maybe i shouldnt try to help them

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jhulst:

I'm getting about 10 MB/s write between the NAS and the backend

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kdubya:

i would tell you that was fast enough but i really dont know and it would just be a lie

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jhulst:

this is under no other network load though

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jhulst:

reading from the NAS to the backend is only at about 7 MB/s though

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Cyrexion:

Hey guys, does xine have a command-line based screen capture feature?

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rushfan:

You said the front end and backend versions have to match exactly, right?

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kdubya:

i think

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jhulst:

rushfan: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequently_A . . . 2Fbackend.3F

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Cyrexion:

or some kind of frame capture command linux supports (eg. xine -sc 1021_3181239123.mpg captured_frame.png ?

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jhulst:

kdubya: It looks like my NAS is running at normal speeds for 100 mb network, it buffers for the first 30 seconds or so and then it seems to be okay

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kdubya:

thats a drag though

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jhulst:

it does that for prerecorded stuff too

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jhulst:

yeah, I'm not real happy with that right now

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cmoates:

jhulst, what NAS?

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cmoates:

I had a WD MyBook that was horrid

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cmoates:

So I built a Linux box from scratch instead, it can push about 250Mb/s over my gig network

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kdubya:

he is using freenas

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cmoates:

Ah

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cmoates:

I'm surprised that doesn't do better

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cmoates:

Old hardware?

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jhulst:

cmoates: It's an old P3 running freenas, I think the biggest thing is network speed though

[06:44:31]

cmoates:

If your disks are reasonably fast, a P3 should be able to bury that 100Mb network

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jhulst:

it's only a 100 mbps network so that is at max 12.5 mbps

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jhulst:

cmoates: it is

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cmoates:

10–11Mbps is around max throughput for a 100Mbps network, accounting for overhead

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cmoates:

Assuming it's switched

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jhulst:

cmoates: right, and that is giving buffering errors

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cmoates:

ah

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cmoates:

hrm

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jhulst:

seperate backend to nas over nfs

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cmoates:

nfs did significantly better than smb in my tests

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jhulst:

gigabit is looking better and better :) $70 to upgrade my network

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cmoates:

yeah

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jhulst:

I'm pretty sure it's just network speed

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cmoates:

Just be wary of MTU stuff with gig

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jhulst:

MTU?

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cmoates:

Ideally you want to use jumbo frames

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cmoates:

MTU is maximum transmit unit

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cmoates:

i.e. the amount of data you can put in a single packet

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cmoates:

With 100Mbps networks, the MTU is 1500 bytes

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rushfan:

What should my master server IP address be?

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cmoates:

With gig, it can be as high as around 10000 bytes

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jhulst:

cmoates: so you have a NAS running for your system now? and it works well? HD or just SD

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rushfan:

If the IP of the backend is 10.0.0.4 should my Master IP be set to that?

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cmoates:

HD

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cmoates:

yes rushfan

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jhulst:

cmoates: nice, that seems to be the way to go

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cmoates:

Anyhow, not all switches and not all NICs support jumbo frames

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rushfan:

cmoates: well Im getting an error :|

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cmoates:

And if they do, they don't necessarily support 10k frames, maybe 7k frames

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cmoates:

Just something to be aware of. It's called Jumbo Frames, maybe do a little reading before you by

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cmoates:

buy

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jhulst:

So I'm thinking I would get a gig switch and hook that up to my wrt54g router

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jhulst:

right

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rushfan:

http://monoport.com/5674

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rushfan:

It complains that it canot connect to 10.0.0.4

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cmoates:

rushfan, in mythtv-setup did you set the master backend ip?

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cmoates:

rushfan, what distro is the backend?

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rushfan:

Gentoo

[06:49:31]

rushfan:

yes I set it

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cmoates:

And restarted mythbackend?

[06:49:51]

rushfan:

oh thats it

[06:49:58]

cmoates:

:)

[06:50:15]

rushfan:

god damn

[06:50:18]

rushfan:

now the front end cant connect

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kdubya:

yeah

[06:50:34]

kdubya:

this shit is fun

[06:50:54]

rushfan:

sane error when I run mythfilldatabase too

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cmoates:

you don't have a firewall running do you

[06:51:15]

cmoates:

on the gentoo box

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rushfan:

ok lets go over the setup. I have the frontend and backend on the same machine (ip: 10.0.0.4). It worked ifne when everything was localhost/127.0.0.7

[06:51:25]

rushfan:

no

[06:51:36]

rushfan:

but I want to share this backend, so I changed the IP to 10.0.0.4 in mythtv-setup, in both boxes

[06:51:52]

cmoates:

sure

[06:52:14]

cmoates:

So, if you restart the backend (whcih you just did)

[06:52:30]

cmoates:

If you try to telnet 10.0.0.5 6543 from one of the machines in your house, it's refused, right?

[06:52:43]

rushfan:

So IP address for tux: 10.0.0.4, Port server: 6543, Master Server IP: 10.0.0.4, Port the master runs on: 6543

[06:52:46]

rushfan:

any issues

[06:52:56]

rushfan:

yeah. well right now it appear sthe backend refuses to start :\

[06:53:04]

cmoates:

With what error?

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rushfan:

none :

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rushfan:

Ill check the log

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jhulst:

bah, this NAS isn't going to work until gigabit

[06:54:36]

cmoates:

jhulst, I dunno about that

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rushfan:

[mpeg2video @ 0x2ad855f579f0]ac-tex damaged at 24 17

[06:54:38]

rushfan:

[mpeg2video @ 0x2ad855f579f0]Warning MVs not available

[06:54:53]

rushfan:

God damn. Did my driver bail out on me?

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cmoates:

The HDHomeRun can stream 2 HD shows over 100Mbit network using only 30Mbit of bandwidth...

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cmoates:

rushfan, that sounds like a playback thing, there's nothing below that?

[06:56:11]

rushfan:

cmoates: nope

[06:56:20]

cmoates:

any chance the be is still running?

[06:56:26]

rushfan:

I set it back to 127.0.0.1 and it still doesnt work :|

[06:56:30]

rushfan:

be?

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cmoates:

backend

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rushfan:

let me seee

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rushfan:

woops

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cmoates:

:)

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rushfan:

i had the front eend running while doing all of htat

[06:57:02]

rushfan:

would that matter?

[06:57:16]

cmoates:

hm

[06:57:16]

cmoates:

not sure

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rushfan:

wtf

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jhulst:

cmoates: what do you have for your router/switch?

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kdubya:

jhulst, have you tried NOT using NAS?

[06:59:11]

rushfan:

GRR !!! SDF%$

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kdubya:

just set your storage to a local drive and see what happens

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rushfan:

Im going to bed. Ill look at this more tommorow

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rushfan:

peace

[06:59:30]

jhulst:

kdubya: I've done it, it works

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cmoates:

night rushfan

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kdubya:

ok

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cmoates:

jhulst, I'm using a netgear gs108 for the gig side and a 100mbit 24 port switch on the other side

[07:00:01]

rushfan:

[mpeg2video @ 0x2ad855f579f0]ac-tex damaged at 24 17 --> That keeps coming up in my log

[07:00:09]

rushfan:

everytime I try to launch the backend

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cmoates:

rushfan, unforutunately, I don't know what that indicates

[07:00:23]

rushfan:

Nor do I

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rushfan:

but I think theres a driver issue or something

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rushfan:

illl try reloading the driver tommorow

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cmoates:

jhulst, my network is overly complicated because I have teenagers in a protected network as well as a gig lan and a 100mbit lan

[07:01:55]

cmoates:

jhulst, and because networking is one of the things I do for a living :)

[07:02:17]

jhulst:

cmoates: :) makes it fun

[07:02:59]

jhulst:

that switch looks decent, $55 from newegg

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clever:

found a bit of a bug

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clever:

if im watching a recording(while it records but not thru livetv)

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clever:

and i seek near the end

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clever:

it exists like it hit the end of a recording

[07:16:46]

clever:

(it did techinicaly)

[07:16:59]

clever:

but when in livetv it waits for more to get recorded

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cmoates:

That could be argued to be behavioral, not technically a bug, but I see your point

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clever:

yeah

[07:17:43]

clever:

more of a design flaw in the way it acts

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cmoates:

And probably not easily fixed

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cmoates:

Since the playback portion can't know (easily) if there is more likely to be written to the file

[07:18:25]

clever:

isnt there a way to check whats recording?

[07:18:37]

clever:

and compare that list to whats being played

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cmoates:

Probably, since the status page shows it

[07:18:49]

cmoates:

"Tuner 1 is recording"

[07:18:50]

cmoates:

etc

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clever:

yep

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cmoates:

Whether it knows _what_ it's recording...

[07:19:14]

cmoates:

But I would assume there is a way to query it

[07:19:23]

clever:

the list of recordings shows and upcoming recordings

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cmoates:

Alas, time for me to turn into a pumpkin

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clever:

if something is recording is shows in a diff color

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cmoates:

yeah true

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clever:

so it knows

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cmoates:

So write a patch to check that and play with it ;)

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clever:

the fe half

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clever:

lol

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clever:

trying to watch a show atm

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clever:

and its stuttering

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clever:

i suspect it plays well when im near the end because of the cache at the server

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cmoates:

maybe

[07:20:30]

clever:

but when i get too far behind it winds up having to reread it from the disk whike appending

[07:20:50]

cmoates:

io bound sounds like

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clever:

even though the system has no trouble at all with playing and recording and transcoding 4 shows

[07:21:05]

clever:

it cant play a file WHILE it records

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clever:

enlss im near the end of it

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cmoates:

so it'll stutter if you play a show that is recording, but not if you play a previously recorded show while it's recording?

[07:21:38]

clever:

it cant be io shortage since im able to have 6 streams of io at once

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clever:

correct

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cmoates:

huh

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cmoates:

I've never experienced that :)

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clever:

frame grabber here:P

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clever:

on the storage server

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cmoates:

yeah but

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cmoates:

you can play a different show

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clever:

without any trouble

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cmoates:

it's essentially the same thing

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cmoates:

I don't see what would be different

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clever:

it seems to be related to the fact im actualy appending to that file

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cmoates:

I don't see why that would matter though

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cmoates:

alas, time for bed for me

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clever:

the kernel could be doing some locking which blocks the reads for moments

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cmoates:

maybe

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cmoates:

nfs??

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clever:

also the fact its being updated may be messing up the nfs readahead cache

[07:23:29]

clever:

nfs thinks its cache is useless and refetches the show

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cmoates:

sure

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clever:

i'll try forcing it to stream thru the master backend

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cmoates:

avoiding nfs, probably a good idea :)

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clever:

testing

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clever:

seems to have fixed it:O

[07:25:19]

clever:

5mins behind and its not stutering

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clever:

yet it was stutering when i savedpos and closed(at 50% play speed)

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clever:

Cpu(s): 79.9% us, 15.5% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.5% id, 0.5% wa, 0.5% hi, 3.2% si

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clever:

(on the master/recorder/filesource)

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mzb_d800:

it turns out that 48" is BIG ;)

[10:15:40]

mzb_d800:

looks like it's problem might be a dry joint

[10:15:58]

mzb_d800:

bargain for the price ;) ($0)

[10:16:49]

mzb_d800:

huge number of inputs, pity no vga but I'll get over it

[10:17:37]

mzb_d800:

BIG == time to get a new house, loungeroom is not big enough .... currently using it in the garage

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mzb_d800:

now I understand the minimum viewing distance recommendation in the manual ... try doubling that ;)

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visit0r:

my projector pic size is abt. 85" viewing distance abt. 3m

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visit0r:

quite fine

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RockHound:

can someone please explain me, why recordings are suddenly gone? I know about expirations but I was not expecting it to remove them so quickly (4 days I guess) ... are they still found on disk somewhere?

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mzb_d800:

visit0r: RP has vertical viewing angle of 20 degrees or so, so only suitable for sitting down ;) (if all the ppl watching have their heads at the same height;))

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mzb_d800:

at a close range, anyway

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mzb_d800:

length of the garage is much better though, at about 4–5m (?) ... and the addition of a 3"(?) platform helps

[10:34:03]

mzb_d800:

means that both the 2.5yo daughter, and a standing adult can still see a picture

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mzb_d800:

(whereas I can see the picture perfectly while I'm sitting in my throne;))

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visit0r:

heh

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FinnTux:

ok, Ireally like this multirec stuff. any idea when (if ever) it will be brought into svn?

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DustyBin:

im using fluxbox with mythtv but every time i boot into the mythtv user and start fluxbox it creates a .serverauth file, ps aux looks like this: 0:00 xinit /home/mythtv/.xinitrc — /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc -auth /home/mythtv/.serverauth.3325 how do you stop .serverauths from being created?

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Davo_Dinkum:

with depth should i set for PAL output?

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Slartybartfast:

anyone around? I have a problem with a homebrew serial IR receiver I am trying to use. It works fine when mythfrontend is not running, but as soon as it runs it stops working. Looking at xmode2, it looks like something is corrupting the pulse train. exiting the frontend makes it work again.

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Slartybartfast:

Here's what I saw without the frontend running:

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Slartybartfast:

[img]http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sct . . . 825_6848.jpg

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Slartybartfast:

and here's what I saw with the frontend running: http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sct . . . 85.jpg[/img]

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Alxx:

joy, mythbackend is still segfaulting on me. Anyone got any tips as to how to work out why? Nothing useful in the logs, the most useful thing I've found is from stracing it..

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Alxx:

gettimeofday({1196589504, 519952}, NULL) = 0

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Alxx:

select(14, [6 7 13], [], [], {20, 339820}) = ? ERESTARTNOHAND (To be restarted)

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Alxx:

+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++

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Alxx:

and even that's not terribly helpful looking :)

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rooaus:

Anyone using recent(ish) trunk and want to test a video playback profile? Simple test.

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** justinh smacks the intel driver for good measure **

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justinh:

hmmm "output tv is not disconnected but has no modes"

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justinh:

this is well weird. with the monitor connected I only get output on the monitor but tv out has an active signal. xrandr works – or rather doesn't return any errors. with only the tvout connected, xrandr reports errors

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gbee:

justinh: do you need to specify some valid modelines for the TV? I've not used TV out on an intel chipset so I've no idea of the valid steps, but seems as though it should be pretty similar to the old nvidia drivers e.g. settings up a display section for the TV, creating some modelines for the valid resolutions etc

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justinh:

I'm not sure this driver even supports modelines

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justinh:

the tv out is working, just still monochrome

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** justinh wonders if a dig in the xrandr source will give any clues **

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FinnTux:

<justinh> the tv out is working, just still monochrome <- you need correct cable

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FinnTux:

if you're using s-video

[13:01:03]

Dibblah:

He has the correct cable ;)

[13:01:22]

Dibblah:

justinh: It does take modelines.

[13:01:25]

justinh:

oh really? I'd never have thought of that in a million years! and here I am trying to connect the tvout to the tv with a ducking egg whisk

[13:01:30]

justinh:

:P

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** justinh states for the record that he IS using an svideo cable, and that said svideo cable was proven to work properly earlier today with a dvd player **

[13:02:10]

Dibblah:

I'm assuming that a composite connection also shows B&W?

[13:02:27]

justinh:

Dibblah: I've no way of knowing that

[13:02:32]

Dibblah:

Bugger.

[13:02:34]

justinh:

oh wait a fscking minute

[13:02:47]

FinnTux:

dvd player is different from your graphics card

[13:02:51]

FinnTux:

but nevermind

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gbee:

does the intel driver have anyway of specifying the output mode (say like the nvidia driver)

[13:03:19]

justinh:

allegedly, yes. try finding the documents that say so

[13:03:43]

gbee:

FinnTux: I'd trust justinh to be pretty clued up on these things, he works in the A/V industry

[13:04:00]

FinnTux:

ok, like I said, nevermind

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Dibblah:

Okay, justinh. I'm moving downstairs so I have access to the projector.

[13:04:37]

justinh:

what I wouldn't do for a vectorscope/oscilloscope/waveform monitor now! ;)

[13:05:02]

** justinh looks for a phono cable to sacrifice **

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** rooaus chucks his fluke portable scope meter that does tv signals to justinh **

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justinh:

is that a ths-720 by any chance?

[13:07:32]

justinh:

I love mine, just a shame it's not mine mine

[13:07:53]

justinh:

hmmm do I have an svideo socket going spare I wonder?

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justinh:

.. or a svid>composite adapter? hmmm

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justinh:

o little yellow thing.. where for art thou?

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justinh:

bugger that. this svid cable is about to make the supreme sacrifice

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justinh:

<chop>

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justinh:

it's either not composite, or it's still NTSC

[13:15:13]

justinh:

5 mins at work will sort out what the deal is. NTSC? PAL? svideo? composite?

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Dibblah:

Right. I'm now on the projector.

[13:17:52]

Dibblah:

And it's working (in color) using SVid.

[13:18:22]

Dibblah:

However, that is with the modesetting branch driver.

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rooaus:

Similar to those but a fluke, the tektronix ones were a bit better though.

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justinh:

Dibblah: ah, so I need to roll my own driver after all

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justinh:

Dibblah: really appreciate you trying that for me. cheers!

[13:19:05]

Dibblah:

I'm not necessarily saying that.

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** justinh beers Dibblah **

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Dibblah:

However, I know this works for me :)

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Dibblah:

The mode is nasty, though. Going to see if I can get slightly more native.

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Dibblah:

Wait a sec – I'm being stupid.

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Dibblah:

The projector can do NTSC.

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justinh:

Dibblah: well, xrandr is reporting failed requests when I try xrandr --output TV --set TV_

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justinh:

er xrandr --output TV --set TV_FORMAT PAL I mean

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Dibblah:

Ah ha.

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Dibblah:

As it does here.

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justinh:

my own TV (downstairs) can do ntsc too but that's not the point

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justinh:

I don't want no stinking ntsc on my telly!;)

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rooaus:

found a page that states xrandr for props is read onlt and you need to set Option "TV Format" "PAL" in your monitor section. Maybe you have already tried that?

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justinh:

wth is Â?

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justinh:

but yes, tried something like it

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justinh:

WOW!

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justinh:

WOOOOOOOO

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justinh:

it's in colour now, not color :D

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gbee:

yay

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justinh:

I just randomly tried xrandr --output TV --mode 800x600

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rooaus:

cool

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gbee:

--output TV --mode 720x576 ?

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gbee:

so, time to update the wiki?

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justinh:

nah doesn't work. might just need a modeline for that though

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justinh:

I don't fully understand wth is going on here yet

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gbee:

justinh: pretty much sure it will work with the correct modeline :)

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justinh:

hmm just restarted gdm.. xrandr --output TV --mode 800x600 leaves me with a mono display still

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justinh:

this must have something to do with the xtvmargin hacky thing I'm trying out

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justinh:

ah no

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** justinh smacks himself hard **

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justinh:

xrandr --output TV --set TV_FORMAT PAL; xrandr --output TV --mode 800x600 was mentioned in a forum post somewhere but what did numbnuts here do? only xrandr --output TV --set TV_FORMAT PAL

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gbee:

!trout justinh bucket of bolts

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** MythLogBot slaps justinh with a bucket of bolts trout on behalf of gbee... **

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justinh:

ok. now have a 720x576 modeline but xrandr isn't having it

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justinh:

it lists 1024x768, 800x600. 848x800 and 640x480

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justinh:

hmmm I need a way to counteract those modes being probed

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justinh:

aha! there's a 'newmode' option

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Dibblah:

Okay. It's outputting in PAL.

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Dibblah:

However, it's funky with a green box at the bottom :(

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justinh:

I just need some overscan now

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Dibblah:

It's working for you?

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justinh:

oh you missed the 13:25 < justinh> WOW!

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justinh:

xrandr --output TV --set TV_FORMAT PAL; xrandr --output TV --mode 800x600

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Dibblah:

I was offline fiddling with X :)

[13:54:03]

Dibblah:

You can also set it in xorg, in the monitor section.

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justinh:

there's a newmode option for xrandr apparently – trying to figure it out

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Dibblah:

Apparently, modelines don't work for TV out :(

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Dibblah:

According to the Intel devs.

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Dibblah:

Not with the inbuilt TV out encoder.

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justinh:

I've seen messages in the xorg log about probing for valid modes from the encoder

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Dibblah:

Annoyingly, it looks like it works with an ADD-TV out card :(

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justinh:

the xtvmargin app doesn't seem to do anything

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gbee:

the same thing is true for nvidia drivers – modelines don't work for TV out, but 720x576 should be a valid mode

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FinnTux:

it is

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FinnTux:

currently using it

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Dibblah:

justinh: I assume you've fiddled with BOTTOM?

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Dibblah:

/ TOP / LEFT / RIGHT?

[14:07:18]

Dibblah:

I still hate TV output, though.

[14:07:50]

Dibblah:

If the card supported interlaced modes, I'd suggest using a VGA -> SCART :(

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Dibblah:

Right. Back upstairs before the SO discovers the mess I've made :)

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black_Nightmare_:

any of you know if subwoofers are meant to be slight large all the times? (eg only can find a few 8" but many 10" and more up sizes compared to speakers)

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black_Nightmare_:

hm...looks like asleep in here :p

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FinnTux:

anyone using hauppage nova t-500 with mythtv?

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FinnTux:

or in linux for that matter

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rushfan:

Hey, I set the IP address on my backend to 10.0.0.4 so I could connect to it over the network

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rushfan:

but now frontend cant connect to it :|

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rushfan:

(Frontends on the same machine as the backend in this case(

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gbee:

FinnTux: yes, I'm using the Nova-T 500

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FinnTux:

any problems?

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jarle:

rushfan: change the settings in the frontend settings also..

[14:56:58]

FinnTux:

friend of mine has one and his backend has been crashing quite a lot

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rushfan:

jarle: I did

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rushfan:

The backend is set to 10.0.0.4, and the frontend is set to 10.0.0.4

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FinnTux:

we are now trying without it. with one nova-t card

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gbee:

some, driver is buggy – it's supposed to be fixed in the latest driver version, but I'm still using 2.6.22 and don't even know if the fixed driver is in 2.6.23

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rushfan:

It connects to the database fine, but not the backend :|

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jarle:

rushfan: and you can confirm you are using the correct IP running "ifconfig" ?

[14:58:52]

gbee:

FinnTux: using the latest kernel might work, if it doesn't, then I'd recommend disabling EIT since that triggers the bugs more frequently

[14:59:13]

FinnTux:

gbee, are you using v4l-dvb from mercurial repo?

[14:59:22]

rushfan:

yes

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rushfan:

jarle: let me pastebin the error that mythfrontend gives me

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gbee:

FinnTux: no, the version included in the 2.6.22 kernel

[14:59:46]

FinnTux:

gbee, ok.

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rushfan:

http://monoport.com/5675

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gbee:

the one from the mercurial repo *should* be fixed AFAIK

[15:00:47]

rushfan:

But I have the right IP address. :|

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FinnTux:

ok, we'll see if it is stable without t-500

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FinnTux:

is there an easy way to limit EIT only to nova-t card?

[15:01:37]

jarle:

rushfan: maybe the backend isn't runnning?

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gbee:

FinnTux: janneg wrote a patch which disables active EIT scanning on certain cards, you should ask if he'll send you a copy

[15:02:51]

rushfan:

jarle: no it is

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rushfan:

when I do /etc/init.d/mythbackend start it says mythbackend is already running

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rushfan:

Let me see if antoheer pc on the network can connect

[15:03:24]

FinnTux:

gbee, ok. thanks

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jarle:

rushfan: try restarting the backend then, or "tail -f /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log" to make sure that it is actually still running...

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rushfan:

yeah its running

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rushfan:

Are the latest log entries at the bottom of the file or the top?

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jarle:

rushfan: bottom..

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rushfan:

Hmm I cant connect over the network either :|

[15:08:29]

rushfan:

Maybe I should just hose mythconverg and redo the whole set-up?

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FinnTux:

how backend determines the card used for EIT?

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FinnTux:

just randomly whichever happens to be available?

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gbee:

FinnTux: it uses all of them

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FinnTux:

rgr

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gbee:

or at least I think it does ...

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gbee:

never really thought about it before

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FinnTux:

how about creating two input sources – one with EIT and one without?

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rushfan:

jarle: myth backend actually isnt running :o

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rushfan:

but theres no error. But when I try /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop it says mythbackend has no yet been started

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jarle:

rushfan: start it from a console so that you can get the output from the backend to see if you get any errors..

[15:15:03]

rushfan:

jarle: yeah

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rushfan:

looking at mythtv-setup I think a good part of my database got hosed at some point

[15:16:31]

jarle:

rushfan: you could try to just running mythtv-setup over again..

[15:16:32]

rushfan:

Do I run mythfilldatabae before or after I start the backend?

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rushfan:

Thats what I just tried to do.

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jarle:

rushfan: I think both will work fine..

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rushfan:

mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: libsysfs.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

[15:18:18]

rushfan:

Shit, the probably is actually a broken dependency I guess

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rushfan:

I feel stupid. It must've arisen when I restarted the backend

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Hoxzer:

I really wish they are going to make multirec to auto change input according to channel

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justinh:

hmmm. apparently you can specify the pixel size & the output will scale

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gbee:

?

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justinh:

bah. no dice

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rushfan:

look at that mythbackend works now

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aschmack:

anyone here have an hdhomerun

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rushfan:

aschmack: I am buying one

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jarle:

if I compile mythtv from trunk, will it also install startup scripts in /etc/init.d/ or should I make a backup of the init scripts that was previously installed by the ubuntu-packages?

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justinh:

to use trunk you generally have to know about how to make/edit your own init script

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justinh:

examples are provided in the contrib dir though

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directhex:

there are trunk packages for ubuntu

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justinh:

of course you could just copy the standard ubuntu mythtv-backend script

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justinh:

directhex: that's no good if he wants to develop stuff ;)

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directhex:

justinh, so grab the source packages, and patch against those

[16:14:57]

directhex:

justinh, the convenience of packages, the liberty of trunk

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justinh:

hmmm. is there any way to find out what tv encoder this chipset is using?

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rushfan:

jarle: lspci?

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rushfan:

or google

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directhex:

justinh, which driver are you using?

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rushfan:

05:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01

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justinh:

directhex: either intel or i810

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jarle:

rushfan: what do you mean?

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rushfan:

justinh: oh I thought you meant your tv tuner encoder

[16:16:32]

justinh:

rushfan: TV out encoder I meant

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rushfan:

oh

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justinh:

I'm tempted to go a-register-hacking

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directhex:

justinh, probably only by looking, if it's not in xorg.0.log

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directhex:

justinh, but generally, remember i810 has no concept of resolutions, just of the static modes built into the vga bios

[16:17:53]

justinh:

directhex: I'm not arsed about that. the tv encoder needs setting up properly

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justinh:

register fiddling ftw!

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justinh:

I'm that hacked off by this now.. need extreme measures

[16:18:58]

justinh:

took about a day to get the tvout working in PAL, and now it's plagued by underscan I can't shift

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jarle:

directhex: any link to repo for ubuntu trunk packages?

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directhex:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds

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justinh:

bah forks it's never built into the bloody GPU

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rushfan:

Finally. I got mythbuntu working with my backend

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rushfan:

S/PDIF out is optical, right?

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directhex:

not necessarily

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jarle:

rushfan: aither optical or coax..

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directhex:

75 ohm coaxial or optical

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justinh:

technically, only TOSLINK is optical

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directhex:

you can get media converters if you want

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justinh:

erm.. just had a peek in the driver code here & it seems the GPU can do deinterlacing

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directhex:

shouldn't it?

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justinh:

massively OT question.. if you know what address to hit is it pretty safe/easy to change memory contents as you see fit?

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justinh:

like in the old 8-bit days with POKE

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aschmack:

does anybody here happen to have a QAM tuner and live near rochester ny

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rushfan:

Anyone here have a Dvico FusionHDTV USB Gold tuner?

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jams:

no and no

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rushfan:

w/e Im probably going to get the HDHomeRun anyhow

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justinh:

the more I look at this, the more I think the tv encoder registers need fiddling outside the driver, or else the driver needs a hack

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stiev3:

I see the option to set a starting channel for my capture cards, but how would I set a starting channel for my firewire connected box? Trying to avoid the scenario where I start on a channel with a weak signal and have to take down the backend to fix.

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gbee:

justinh: what are you having problems with? getting the resolution to 720x576?

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justinh:

yeah the driver is hard-coding tv register values

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justinh:

I could possibly hack it but I don't fancy recompiling the driver every time I want to see a change

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justinh:

whee how I just love reading intel datasheets

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funburn_:

I'm having trouble with repeat on my remote. Specifically fast forward. My lircrc is set to repeat = 1 but it only registers the first click

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justinh:

gbee: I really wouldn't care you know but every single tv encoder feature is in the driver

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justinh:

suddenly, I remember something about IEGD having a tv encoder register tweaker

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Alxx:

sounds lots of fun :)

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rushfan:

THats the next thing I need to get now. A remote

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** jams prepares for another round of screenshots **

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rushfan:

Oh and a giant harddrive

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Alxx:

I got a little IR keybord from ebay, works a treat!

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Alxx:

just like the ones you find in hotels!

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rushfan:

IR keyboard?

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rushfan:

I want an actual remote :|

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rushfan:

If Im going to record HD should I get a 500gb HD or a 1tb :

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rushfan:

:|*

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Alxx:

this seemes less hassle :)

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rushfan:

Alxx: the one on ebay is probably stolen from a hotel

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justinh:

Alxx: I hope your IR receiver can learn from it ;)

[18:05:29]

Alxx:

heh, fortunatley it was new :D

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rushfan:

Anyone know what the most 'bag-for-the-buck' hd size is?

[18:06:01]

Alxx:

the far end is a ir reciever -> usb cable so it just looks like a normal keyboard to the system...

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jams:

'bag-for-the-buck' ?

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rushfan:

woops. bang

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Alxx:

i like 'bag for buck'!

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justinh:

heh.. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IR-REMOTE-QWERTY-KEYBOA . . . cmdZViewItem

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justinh:

blimey that includes the lirc serial receiver too!

[18:07:48]

** justinh buys one **

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** rushfan buys a 500gb seagate **

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funburn_:

anyone else having trouble with repeat keys on their remote?

[18:09:22]

Alxx:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mini-Wireless-HTPC-Medi . . . cmdZViewItem

[18:09:25]

Alxx:

that's the one I've got

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Alxx:

only problem was that it doesn't have an esc key so I had to fudge the keymap in X...

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justinh:

that's not bad

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Alxx:

it's just the job :)

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my2keh:

anyone here use xscreensaver?

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rushfan:

I need a new regular keyboard :(

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rushfan:

mine is broken

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rushfan:

I could get a keyboard with a phone built in :|

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rushfan:

Anyone know if theres an adapter for phone-jack-terminal-keyboard thing to usb?

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justinh:

very tempting just to use IEGD if it'll do what I want

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my2keh:

I finally fixed my stupid system clock thing

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my2keh:

which was affecting my upcoming recordings

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justinh:

ffs! suddenly xtvmargin is bloody working!

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Alxx:

so even after recompiling mythtv mythbackend is segfaulting on me

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** justinh does the 'now my svideo tv out is fully overscanned' dance :D **

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Alxx:

hurrah!

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justinh:

I don't even know if the onboard audio works yet!

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** Alxx beats his head against the desk **

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justinh:

woohoo news tickers are smooth as a baby's bum

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Hoxzer:

Alxx: sometimes 'make distclean' (before a compile) has helped me with segfaults. (if You have't tried that already)

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Alxx:

worth a shot :)

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Hoxzer:

are you on fixes ?

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Hoxzer:

I mean are you using 0.20-fixes?

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Alxx:

on fixes? I'm using http://www.archlinux.org/~paul/0.20.2.20071129.tar.gz

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Alxx:

that may well include some fixes....

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justinh:

digital audio out is worky too now

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justinh:

oh yeah and I need a theme that doesn't suck

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Hoxzer:

Alxx: :P heh do you have any specific reason for using that? If not I would reommend compiling 0.20-fixes branch from svn. It is most likely more stable

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Alxx:

It'sI'm using that because it's the source of the package I'm using for my distro but I think going for the svn build may be worth a shot :)

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Hoxzer:

yep

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Alxx:

not used svn in ages, fun and games :)

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my2keh:

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my2keh:

one is 1.46 and the other is 1.8 Ghz

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my2keh:

looking for a new laptop for the wife

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justinh:

ffs. 3% CPU used playing a SDTV xvid

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justinh:

time to try some HD clips

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bsdfox:

my2keh: my sister just got a T2310 based laptop.. it's pretty fast

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my2keh:

interesting!

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justinh:

no way.. h.264 720p in mplayer 30% CPU

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Alxx:

make! goooooooooooo!

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fx|RabBit:

hia ll

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fx|RabBit:

do i need v4l running to be able to use mythtv?

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fx|RabBit:

in other words do i need to load v4l in xorg.conf?

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Alxx:

isn't v4l generally kernel level?

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Alxx:

I've never had to tell X to use it!

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fx|RabBit:

Alxx: i had to tell X not to use it because it kept drashing whenever i wanted to use compiz...

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fx|RabBit:

now i'm trying to setup mythtv and that looks pretty f%$&/ up...

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Caliban:

:se noai

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Caliban:

ah:se ai

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darkwizard:

hey all

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darkwizard:

anyone get mythgames to work?

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S2:

I did

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darkwizard:

s2 can u help me get mine up

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darkwizard:

i tried xmame no good

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S2:

what error do you get?

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darkwizard:

i using myth 0.20.2007

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Noble:

so what video player do you all use, mplayer, internal, vlc, or other?

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darkwizard:

it don't scan for games

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Alxx:

erm, xine :)

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Alxx:

xine for dvd, internal for recordings, mplayer for video

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S2:

Noble: internal

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darkwizard:

s2 i have roms in /usr/share/games/xmame/roms

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Alxx:

something like that, I think.

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S2:

darkwizard: ok, but what is wrong?

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darkwizard:

when i goto play the games it shows nothing

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Noble:

cool, i use internal for videos......

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darkwizard:

no games

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Noble:

can anyone recommend any tweaks for smooth live tv playback?

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** justinh struggles to believe his eyes. 15 – 30% CPU usage playing 1080i mpeg2 **

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S2:

what error do you get in the logs. you are not much help

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Noble:

i have an athlon xp 1700, geforce 5950, enabled standard xvmc

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Noble:

opengl is the painter mode

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Noble:

hardware mpeg2 encoding tuner

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darkwizard:

were do i find the logs

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Noble:

tv playback isn't super smooth

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Noble:

not choppy, but i can see videos play with a more consistent framerate

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justinh:

Noble: using nvidia or nv drivers?

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gbee:

Noble: have you tried without xvmc? you don't really need it enabled with that CPU

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** justinh is in awe of this core2 duo setup **

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Alxx:

those are stonking bits of kit :)

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justinh:

so it's been a total beeee-atch to get the tv out working but omfg. 3% CPU usage playing mpeg2 sdtv

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darkwizard:

s2 were do i find the logs

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justinh:

just noticed maybe all the hassle getting overscan to work was well worth it in the end. the output is completely centred

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gbee:

justinh: I'd struggle to believe my eyes with 15–30% CPU for mpeg2, I get 40% CPU for mp4 1080i on my Athlon 64 MT-30!

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gbee:

and that's with bob enabled

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justinh:

gbee: top can't lie, can it

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gbee:

justinh: would expect better from your setup, but as long as it works :)

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justinh:

need to restart X & determine what steps are needed in which order, to make overscan work

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gbee:

I mean the MT-30 isn't considered that powerful anymore and it's not dual-core

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gbee:

asathoor: yes

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gbee:

asathoor: install mythbackend on your server and you can watch TV on any machine in the network which has mythfrontend installed

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asathoor:

gbee >> ok, how?

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asathoor:

gbee >> will it work on a wlan?

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asathoor:

ok, now i'm installing frontend...

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asathoor:

8-)

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justinh:

hrm strange flickering on the tv out

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justinh:

aha my margin values were too aggressive. put a testcard up & fiddled, now the arrows on testcard 'F' touch the screen sides perfick

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justinh:

big smiles in here!

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justinh:

not much left to do now really other than get lirc worky

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justinh:

add a fanmate or something to kill the fan noise a bit (a lot). and to think it almost went out of the window yesterday.

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rejeep:

Hi! Has anyone tried to use D-link DSM-510 as a MythTV frontend?

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justinh:

Dibblah: http://pastebin.com/m21866c90 – full PAL, overscanned resulting in http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/core2tv.png

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** Toxicity999 drools. **

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Toxicity999:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/01/ricavision . . . show-remote/

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Toxicity999:

So... Shiny...

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Toxicity999:

Yea I can never get perfect alignment with my damnable CRT, using SVid, nVidia doesn't give you many options..

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xris:

Toxicity999: the TV doesn't give nvidia much choice about that. analog signals can only do so much

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Toxicity999:

True.

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justinh:

xris: true, but by fine tuning the tv encoder registers you can do it. I did :)

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justinh:

all nvidia users need is something to tweak their registers... not a tall order once you have the info

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Toxicity999:

Couldn't standard oversized X with alignment of the viewrange do fine though?

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justinh:

in theory yeah

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Dibblah:

justdave: Not too bad at all :)

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Toxicity999:

I've never gotten around to really doing more than a bit of overscan to make it a little tolerable.

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Toxicity999:

justinh Where did you find the information on doing it? I have some time to kill.

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Dibblah:

But... That appears to be 4/3?

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Dibblah:

justinh: That was to you.

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Dibblah:

justdave: I did it this time. Apologies :(

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Toxicity999:

mines a 4:3 flatscreen CRT, so you REALLY notice misalignment.

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Dibblah:

Mine's 84" or so.

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Toxicity999:

That's... what she said?

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Dibblah:

... There's a small amount of trapezoidal distortion.

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kdubya:

heh

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Toxicity999:

Anywho... I'll look in to alignment.

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justinh:

Dibblah: so it's 4:3 – this TV is still perfectly centred (give or take) but it's closer than anything I've ever had to perfect

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Toxicity999:

justinh, Any hints on doing the same here?

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Dibblah:

So, does it win over the VIA thing?

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justinh:

Dibblah: HELL YEAH

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Dibblah:

:))

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justinh:

Dibblah: been playing h.264 HD clips man

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justinh:

mplayer does 1080p no problem

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Dibblah:

Full HD?

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Dibblah:

Ah – right.

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Dibblah:

For Myth the multithreaded patch set really helps.

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justinh:

dunno about the nasty mbaff stuff the bbc streams are (or whatever). I've lost my bookmark to the clips

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Dibblah:

And AFAIK mplayer defaults to no deblocking / deringing to save CPU time.

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justinh:

Dibblah: bet it won't work with -fixes :P

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Dibblah:

So it's much lower quality.

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justinh:

still pretty damn fine to me

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Dibblah:

No, it won't work with -fixes, unfortunately.

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justinh:

well by the time I'm fully reddy for de hud, 0.21 will be out, and all that jazz

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Dibblah:

Hmmm. "We'd need a software mixer in the audio output class/etc.."

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justinh:

actually I bet 0.22 is out by the time I have a new telly

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Dibblah:

That's not actually quite true any more.

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Dibblah:

Well, with ALSA at least.

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Toxicity999:

Hmmmm... I can't really find anything useful about picture position, rawr at google!

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justinh:

Dibblah: tell you though, this has been the single biggest BITCH of an experience – thankfully short lived though

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Dibblah:

Since a couple of revisions or so ago, it defaults to a SW mixer.

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justinh:

btw I got the cpu temps down at load... know how? only clipped the clips down on the HSF didn't I.. what a doof!

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Dibblah:

Heh.

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justinh:

my copper shim seems to be doin the biz

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jduggan:

lol @ de hud.. someone been watching fonejacker?

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jduggan:

:P

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Dibblah:

For me, the clips needed to have shims under them.

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justinh:

jduggan: loved it till the novelty wore off

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jduggan:

justinh: yea

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Dibblah:

(Since I routered off the outside of the heatsink)

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justinh:

well, time to take the dog for walkies

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Dibblah:

Instead of a shim.

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justinh:

do you have any (nudge nudge) links to the bbc h.264 clips? they used to be easily found

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justinh:

oops that question probably looked illegal

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janneg:

justinh: I would bet that it is only 1080i or to be precise 1080p25

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janneg:

and are you looking at top's Cpu(s): value?

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justinh:

janneg: aye

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justinh:

janneg: only running single thread mplayer, not the very latest

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janneg:

if it is a dual core it would mean 90% of one core

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janneg:

which is not bad, but 45% is just too good

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justinh:

it looked fine to me, but then I'm only viewing it on svideo :P

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justinh:

point is it's doing more than just having a good stab at it

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justinh:

I'm happy enough with that. 2.4 core2 duo merom chips will become affordable soon enough

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justinh:

oh cool! svideo works (in ntsc but so what) in the BIOS. nift

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directhex:

x264.nl/h.264.samples

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directhex:

justinh, ^^

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Dibblah:

top reports both cores being used as 200% here.

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bsdfox:

hehe, mythweb is REAL slow on a p2–450/512mb machine :P

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directhex:

so is crysis#

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Huijari:

:D

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bsdfox:

justinh: what cpu

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funburn_:

can someone help me figure out why myth doesn't

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funburn_:

that I've held a button down on my remote?

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funburn_:

/doesn't/doesn't recognize/

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bsdfox:

does lirc pick it up?

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funburn_:

well, I'm not sure

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funburn_:

and I should underscore the word held

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bsdfox:

that'd be the first place to look

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funburn_:

because it does recognize a single press

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bsdfox:

yeah

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bsdfox:

it's probably an lirc/remote issue

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funburn_:

just not a hold, most important with fast foraward

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funburn_:

would irw show multiple events for a held button?

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bsdfox:

yes

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funburn_:

hmm

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funburn_:

it doesn't

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bsdfox:

the number that counts up shows how many events are registered

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bsdfox:

ok well now you know where the problem is

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funburn_:

hmm

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funburn_:

not sure how to fix it

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funburn_:

I'm using an irtrans, they don't provide very good linux support

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bsdfox:

might need to play with lirc repeats and stuff

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funburn_:

in the lircrc file, or in the lirc.conf

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bsdfox:

my directv remotes only send one signal for volume up and down.. can't do anything to fix it cause it's the remotes fault

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funburn_:

my repeat =1 in lircrc

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bsdfox:

go read the lirc website

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funburn_:

I'm using a Tivo glo, and it sends multiple

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funburn_:

I have, but the server isn't lirc's

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funburn_:

which causes a bit of a problem with troubleshooting

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funburn_:

irtrans rolled their own server, which is "lirc compatible"

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funburn_:

so lame

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bsdfox:

just set it up with lirc

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funburn_:

can't

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funburn_:

lirc doesn't support the irtrans device

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funburn_:

at least not as far as I've been able to ascertain

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bsdfox:

what interface is it? serial usb parport?

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funburn_:

usb

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bsdfox:

oh, never played with usb sorry

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r3m0t:

hello

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r3m0t:

what format does mythtv save recordings in?

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r3m0t:

sorry, asked too soon

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bsdfox:

.mpg/.nuv for me

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xand:

r3m0t: what's the source?

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xand:

mine are recorded in the same format they're broadcast it would seem

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FinnTux:

mpeg2 in mycase (DVB-T)

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xand:

yeah same here

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xand:

it's annoying when playing in vlc or mplayer and the window keeps changing size

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r3m0t:

so how do you change it to .avi? it says here it's .nuv

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bsdfox:

use a different transcoder

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bsdfox:

"how do I do that" google

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xand:

does mythtv support recording multiple things on the same multiplex yet? c.c

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r3m0t:

don't think so :(

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FinnTux:

yes. there is a different branch for it

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rambo3:

it will support when the make myth chess

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FinnTux:

I just discovered it yesterday

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FinnTux:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/mythtv-multirec

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xand:

why a different branch?

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FinnTux:

dunno

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FinnTux:

I hope it is merged to svn eventually

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xand:

that's about the best new feature I can think of

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jams:

the branch was made so that it wouldn't cause big breakage in trunk.

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xand:

potential new feature

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FinnTux:

been testing it for a day now and it seems to work well

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jams:

it will be merged when it's ready

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FinnTux:

nice to hear that

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FinnTux:

btw, what is that multiuser branch?

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jams:

it's an old google SOC project that didn't go anywhere

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FinnTux:

k

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GreyFoxx:

xand: a seperate branch so it wont affect users who don't need it since it required some major under the hood changes

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kdubya:

some dude was about to pick that branch back up wasnt he

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jams:

afternoon GreyFoxx

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GreyFoxx:

once it's stable enough (which I think it is now) it will merge into the regular tree

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GreyFoxx:

hey

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xand:

cool

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bsdfox:

multirec allows you to record multiple streams with one tuner? is it digital only or analog also?

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FinnTux:

indeed. multirec is very nice feature. together with IPTV recording

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FinnTux:

digital only

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GreyFoxx:

bsdfox: dvb/digital only

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bsdfox:

still cool

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GreyFoxx:

It's pretty sweet

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kdubya:

so you only need 1 tuner to get your 4 digital channels

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FinnTux:

I could easily record 4 channels and watch 5th one

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GreyFoxx:

If they are all on the same multiplex

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GreyFoxx:

FinnTux: yeah

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bsdfox:

so when the US broadcast switches over to digital in a year we'll only need one tuner?

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kdubya:

yeah, but its lame that we only get like 4 channels

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GreyFoxx:

I patched mine to let me set it to record up to 8 at a time

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kdubya:

bsdfox, they have to be on the same multiplex

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FinnTux:

I noticed that 5 is the limit and thought of raising it myself

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bsdfox:

I'm not sure what a multiplex is, but ok

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kdubya:

i think i only have abc and nbc on the same multiplex and the rest are all on thier won

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FinnTux:

then again...I never need to record that much

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** GreyFoxx gets 150 clear QAM, but I only have my dvb card setup for 1 multiplex of 8 which are all 8 major channels for me **

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xris:

bsdfox: multiplex is more than one channel on a single stream

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kdubya:

what is with all these people getting clear qam and firewire output

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kdubya:

i dont get shit

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FinnTux:

we have 4 multiplexes here

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GreyFoxx:

kdubya: heh

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GreyFoxx:

I get all channels via firwire too including all hd channels ;)

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Toxicity999:

Well I didn't do anything fancy... with some mental give, a 20 point overscan and some fancy video playback rules, I got everything looking far better.

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kdubya:

i do not get a single channel through qam or firewire that i do not get ota

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kdubya:

in fact, i have 2 more ota than from the cable company

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Toxicity999:

I'm old school Coaxial \nn/

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Noble:

you know what I do to find the right overscan for my tv out?

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Noble:

I made an image with every other line black or white

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Noble:

i display it full size

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Noble:

and then i play with the overscan till theres no scaling artifacts

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Noble:

its super easy to see when you've got it right

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kdubya:

you buy yourself a flatscreen and forget about it

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Toxicity999:

there's no *right* way to overscan, lol.

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Noble:

Toxicity999: well i know i'm getting 1:1 horizoltal mapping

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Noble:

thats pretty good

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Noble:

horizontal

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Toxicity999:

for me 25, the max through the nvidia look makes everything look stellar, but I lose a ton of the image.

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Toxicity999:

so I setlled on 25

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Toxicity999:

er

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Toxicity999:

20

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Noble:

25 is the correct value for my nvidia 5950

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Noble:

to get all 480 lines displayer

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Noble:

displayed

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Noble:

you realize that on a normal tv image, theres alot off the sides of your normal tv screen too, right?

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Toxicity999:

Sure.

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Noble:

like, when you turn on local tv, lots is cut off the side

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Noble:

thats the nature of the beast

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Toxicity999:

but that's generally padding image for the most part.

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r3m0t:

my flatscreen has overscan, yuck

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Noble:

admin via vnc, watch with full overscan

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Noble:

if picture quality is important to you, that is

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GreyFoxx:

I have overscan at 100% on mine

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Toxicity999:

I used a widescreen res on my 4:3, just to make things look better in many ways, themes mainly, it's a bit hackish there, but it looks fine.

[22:07:52]

GreyFoxx:

and then configure myth to shrink the menu to fit in the safe area onl

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GreyFoxx:

y

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Toxicity999:

yep.

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Toxicity999:

that's the best way, work program dimensions with perfect non scaled quality.

[22:08:28]

Toxicity999:

well "perfect", lol.

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darkwizard:

has anyone get mythgames to work?

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kdubya:

mythgame works fine

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darkwizard:

kdubya i can't get it to scan for games

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kdubya:

its been a while since i set it up

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kdubya:

what is it doing?

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kdubya:

saying it is scanning but not coming up with anything?

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GreyFoxx:

darkwizard: svn or -fixes ? I made some chanels on Friday but scanning still worked for me

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darkwizard:

svn

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GreyFoxx:

how recent ?

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kdubya:

ooh the frontend is segfaulting

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darkwizard:

grey since i installed it

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GreyFoxx:

no, how recent a version of svn :)

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kdubya:

haha

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darkwizard:

20.2007

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GreyFoxx:

that is not a svn version #

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GreyFoxx:

go to the top of the tree

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GreyFoxx:

and type svn info

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darkwizard:

0.20.2007.717–1

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GreyFoxx:

no

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darkwizard:

that one i installed

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darkwizard:

it says mythversion

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GreyFoxx:

ok, so you are using a patch and not grabbing the source via svn then

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darkwizard:

0.20.2007717–1

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GreyFoxx:

err package, not patch

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GreyFoxx:

and the one you just quoted is much older than my changes anyway so what I changed wont be the cause of the problem

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GreyFoxx:

I assume you have added some gameplayers and pointed them to the current path to your roms?

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darkwizard:

yes

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darkwizard:

it don't show xmame

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darkwizard:

it shows mame

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GreyFoxx:

that's because xmame is a player, MAME is the gametype

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GreyFoxx:

the list of gameplayers will show whatever you fill in though

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darkwizard:

so i have to install mame not xmame

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devsforev:

Good evening everyone. I have been trying to debug LIRC and my USB-UIRT for over a month now. After a random time interval (sometimes hours, othertimes days) LIRC stops responding, and consumes 100% CPU. I have to use kill -9 to stop it. After recompiling in debug mode, I notice that the last line EVERY TIME it crashes is "lircd: tty_setdtr: 0->1". I looked in the hw_uirt2_raw.c file, and found the conditional statement that is re

[22:18:43]

kdubya:

you can install whatever you want

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GreyFoxx:

no, I think there is some confusion

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kdubya:

mythgame just runs the command to launch the player and the game

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GreyFoxx:

when you say it shows "mame" where are you seeing that ?

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darkwizard:

so command line needs to be filled in

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GreyFoxx:

darkwizard: yes

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GreyFoxx:

There is a pretty good page in the wiki that goes through mythgame setup that might help you

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darkwizard:

how can tell what xmame i installed

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jams:

anybody interested in seeing this theme in 4:3 ? http://jmeyer.us/e107_plugins/autogallery/aut . . . ENU_main.png

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darkwizard:

is there a command line for info

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jams:

just guaging the amount of interest, to see if it's worth the effort.

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kdubya:

screw the 4:3 people

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kdubya:

heh

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lulzmstr:

nothin against 4:3 ppl, we rox jooo ;)

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darkwizard:

i don't remeber what xmame version i installed

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kdubya:

i dont see how the version would effect your mythgame setup

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darkwizard:

well command line

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darkwizard:

if it isn't xmame-0.103

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darkwizard:

it won't work

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kdubya:

wouldnt the command be "xmame" regaurdless of the version you installed?

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GreyFoxx:

darkwizard: Myth has not be dependant on any specific version for over 2 years

[22:24:16]

GreyFoxx:

I changed that a long time ago

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GreyFoxx:

now you can use any emulator (or pc game) any version

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kdubya:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configur . . . me_Emulation

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kdubya:

rizead

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** GreyFoxx goes to watch a movie **

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Toxicity999:

ahhhh almost have the location and scaling perfect.

[22:26:01]

Toxicity999:

waiting for prescaling every time on this rig is killing me.

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Toxicity999:

VNC gives me a nice idea of the actual limitations the overscan imposes.

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Toxicity999:

One more edit should do it...

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darkwizard:

kdubya that all greek to me

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kdubya:

then how did you install myth?

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Toxicity999:

Burn =D

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kdubya:

no seriously

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kdubya:

did you use knoppmyth or something?

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devsforev:

Does anyone have any idea where I can get advice on lirc support?

[22:29:50]

kdubya:

ask here

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kdubya:

people do all the time

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darkwizard:

kdubya trial and error

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darkwizard:

it took me months to firgure it out

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devsforev:

okay... i'll repost my question in a bit

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[Jasper]:

hello guys, what's the plugin called to control mythtv via ssh on a certain port?

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jams:

there is no plugin for that, it's part of mythfrontend

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jams:

and it's telnet/netcat not ssh

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lulzmstr:

which port?

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lulzmstr:

oh, frontned

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lulzmstr:

kay

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[Jasper]:

telnet

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[Jasper]:

yes that's what I mean

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[Jasper]:

how do I enable that?

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xris:

lulzmstr: you have to turn it on in the frontend prefs

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xris:

erm [Jasper], not lulzmstr

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[Jasper]:

xris frontend prefs or in mythtv-setup?

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devsforev:

Good evening everyone. I have been trying to debug LIRC and my USB-UIRT for over a month now. After a random time interval (sometimes hours, othertimes days) LIRC stops responding, and consumes 100% CPU. I have to use kill -9 to stop it. After recompiling in debug mode, I notice that the last line EVERY TIME it crashes is "lircd: tty_setdtr: 0->1". I looked in the hw_uirt2_raw.c file, and found the conditional statement that is re

[22:36:23]

xris:

frontend

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lulzmstr:

devsforev: your line is too long for irc ;) the last words i get is "statement that is re"

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xris:

[Jasper]: the telnet stuff is tied to specific frontends, so mythtv-setup (which is global) doesn't apply

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kdubya:

couldnt you just ssh to the machine and use xkbd to simulate keystrokes

[22:37:22]

jams:

page 4 of the general setup screens

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devsforev:

... responsible. What do you guys think if I just comment out the statement, and recompile? Sugguestions or advice from here would be great. Thanks in advance!

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devsforev:

lulzmstr: sorry about that ;)

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kdubya:

i think the 100% CPU for lirc is somewhat common

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kdubya:

someone that uses it should know how to fix it

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Toxicity999:

Try it and see, no harm in that.

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kdubya:

heh

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lulzmstr:

devsforev: i would have a look where the bug lies

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lulzmstr:

devsforev: or mail to the mailinglist

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devsforev:

kdubya: but for it to just freeze, and not even respond to a normal kill command?

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lulzmstr:

devsforev: have you tired the cvs release?

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devsforev:

lulzmstr: yup; using it now

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scrubb2000:

Is there a way to edit the channel names outside of mythfrontend?

[22:40:31]

lulzmstr:

scrubb2000: sql?

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kdubya:

mythweb

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lulzmstr:

devsforev: have you tried a strace -p on the hanging process?

[22:41:07]

lulzmstr:

devsforev: or attaching gdb to it?

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scrubb2000:

lulzmstr: I don't know how to use it. Think you could help me?

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devsforev:

lulzmstr: nope; i've never heard of that command actually

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Toxicity999:

Hmm, is there some way that I'm missing for Myth Video to index on the fly? I don't believe there is as of now, just making sure.

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devsforev:

lulzmstr: gdb?

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lulzmstr:

debugging tools

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kdubya:

mythvideo cannot index on the fly

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lulzmstr:

scrubb2000: actually i wanted to go to bed in a few minutes ;)

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lulzmstr:

devsforev: strace -p <pid of the lircd>

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Toxicity999:

Thought so, no biggy. Just a pretty dynamic collection.

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lulzmstr:

gdb /where/ever/is/lircd <pid>

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devsforev:

lulzmstr: and strace will identify what is causing it to hang i presume?

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lulzmstr:

it might

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scrubb2000:

Oh...

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lulzmstr:

-i is also a good option

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scrubb2000:

Would anyone mind showing me how to edit my channel list outside of mythfrontend?

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devsforev:

lulzmstr: should I run strace after it hangs, or run it while it's functional and then view it after it hangs?

[22:44:59]

lulzmstr:

both might make sense, depending on the bug ;)

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lulzmstr:

im going to bed now, ciao

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devsforev:

okay, thanks

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kdubya:

scrubb2000, set up mythweb and use that

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devsforev:

i'm thinking about posting something on the mailing list... ugghhh I hate mailing lists... why don't they just have a forum.... or a newsgroup... or something... gahhh

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kdubya:

devsforev, i agree compeltely

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scrubb2000:

kdubya: is it safe to install just the mythweb package without the other plugins?

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kdubya:

sure

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scrubb2000:

k

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[Jasper]:

guyus I'm getting all scrambled audio with output device

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[Jasper]:

but last time I used something like hw0 for output device

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[Jasper]:

anyone know what I mean?

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xris:

grumble.. web apps shouldn't be in packages.

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xris:

devsforev: because most of the devs (or all of the devs) feel that same loathing for forums.

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[Jasper]:

xris do you know what I mean?

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xris:

sorry, no clue

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justinh:

oh oops. seems my new board won't let X start if there's no monitor & no tv plugged in

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justinh:

it's not even enough to have it plugged in & restart X.. bah

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justinh:

these tv encoders of today are really clever – seems they can detect a load on the video signals by measuring the output drive current. nifty

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justinh:

so now.. to fix suspend

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scrubb2000:

I installed mythweb with synaptic, but I get a "server error" message when I try to connect.

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scrubb2000:

Could someone help me figure out what that means and how to fix it?

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lightning:

odd problem. run mythfrontend as my normal user, can watch live tv, go back to the menu, re-watch live tv results in a black screen and mythfrontend eventually says startplayer nvp error about not starting in 20000 msec. however, run mythfrontend as root and i can go in and out without trouble. any ideas where to look?

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justinh:

holy poo. did lirc installation really become so easy on gutsy?!

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[Jasper]:

guys

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[Jasper]:

do the subtitles work yet ?

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[Jasper]:

in the internal player?

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UBUNTUISLOVED:

hi guys where can i find a hardware list of tuners that work?

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Huijari:

UBUNTUISLOVED: linuxtv.org

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DustyBin:

3204 mythtv 18 0 373m 40m 11m S 2 4.0 6:42.44 mythbackend

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DustyBin:

my backend is using 373megs, is that normal o_0 ?

[23:27:11]

UBUNTUISLOVED:

any suggestions? as to what is better that you guys use?

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justinh:

UBUNTUISLOVED: totally depends what you want/need

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directhex:

[Jasper], what kind of subtitles?

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FinnTux:

DustyBin, 420M here

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DustyBin:

jeeeeeeeeeeeeze

[23:28:24]

DustyBin:

did somone just say something? ....i think ive lost my memory

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UBUNTUISLOVED:

well i want to record shows off my dvr and also stream music to my radio and store avi's on this device for watching

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DustyBin:

3330 mythtv 15 0 259m 143m 41m S 21 14.2 41:01.60 mythfrontend

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DustyBin:

my front end is using 259megs :-O

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mzb_d800:

2922 mythtv 15 0 273m 66m 17m S 0.3 26.6 103:32.30 mythfrontend

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UBUNTUISLOVED:

is there a brand you recommend or does it matter?

[23:29:50]

UBUNTUISLOVED:

or is there a brand you dont recoomed

[23:29:53]

UBUNTUISLOVED:

recommend

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justinh:

UBUNTUISLOVED: er.. what kind of 'shows'? HD? standard def? analogue? digital?

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mzb_d800:

18895 mythtv 18 0 208m 18m 8948 S 0.3 7.5 0:05.11 mythbackend

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DustyBin:

259+373=632megs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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UBUNTUISLOVED:

standard def

[23:30:07]

UBUNTUISLOVED:

digital

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UBUNTUISLOVED:

digital cable tc

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UBUNTUISLOVED:

tv

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mzb_d800:

(that system only has 256MB)

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justinh:

UBUNTUISLOVED: well, that's more to go on. digital cable, but where in the world?

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DustyBin:

maybe mythbackend steals the memory if its there

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DustyBin:

bastard

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UBUNTUISLOVED:

New York United States

[23:31:09]

UBUNTUISLOVED:

Time Warner Cable

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directhex:

UBUNTUISLOVED, can you switch to a less... loud username? i'm finding it incredibly difficult to read the channel with your HEAVILY CAPITALISED USER NAME. my left eye is actually twitching

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directhex:

it sorta hurts :(

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DustyBin:

if memory is cached, does that mean its in the swap space?

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justinh:

UBUNTUISLOVED: if you live outside europe your only real chance is to get a set top box from the cable company & record its analogue output with a Hauppauge pvr150, or the output of two cable boxes with a hauppauge pvr500 card – and hook up IR blasters (or serial ports if the cable boxes have them) so that mythtv can automagically change channels on them for recordings

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ubuntuisloved:

sorry

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justinh:

^^^ for SDTV that is

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directhex:

much better!

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directhex:

justinh, they don't put SD through firewire?

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directhex:

justinh, i've kinda given up keeping track of what hax the us media companies do

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ubuntuisloved:

will i be able to stream to another tv with something like that

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justinh:

oh yeah they prolly do. whoops

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directhex:

ubuntuisloved, essentially, to access encrypted cable, you need to use a cable box of some kind

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ubuntuisloved:

im guessing pvr 150 is compat with myth

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justinh:

ubuntuisloved: yes, mythtv is based ona client-server architecture, so you need one 'frontend' per TV if you want mythtv on every TV

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ubuntuisloved:

sweet i just was viewing to buy a tv card now off ebay

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justinh:

got lirc worky I think.. now suspend, you tricky bugger

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directhex:

ubuntuisloved, if your cable co can sell you a box with an active firewire output, you can plug mythtv into it via a firewire cable and record that way. if not, you need to capture analog video from your box (e.g. using a pvr150), turn it into a digital file on the pc, and then display that

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directhex:

ubuntuisloved, obviously, the firewire solution is preferable (and even enables HD, which you can't do with a pvr150), but is incredibly cable-provider-specific, and may not give you access to all, or even any, of your subscribed channels

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justinh:

hmmm how do you wake up a hibernated board?

[23:35:27]

directhex:

justinh, press powah

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justinh:

heheh

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ubuntuisloved:

my cable box has two Firewires on the back are you saying i can plug firewire to firewire and record with no tuner

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justinh:

no its rebootered

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directhex:

ubuntuisloved, presence of firewire doesn't neccessarily mean the ports are enabled. you have to ring your cable co to check. but yes, the idea is you can use *just* firewire, no tuner card, that way

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justinh:

can't be too much to do on this system now, bar making it diskless, sorting out the fan, putting it into the case. phew

[23:39:16]

directhex:

you got your cpu in the end?

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justinh:

yeah

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ubuntuisloved:

well i plugged it in and ran dmesg and got some strange messages

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justinh:

oh and I need to rid the system of silly bloat too

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ubuntuisloved:

http://pastebin.com/m2a008275

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ubuntuisloved:

how do i access this device?

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justinh:

directhex: been playing h.264 HD on it. 720p is just fine, but 1080p needs the other core fer sure

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justinh:

ass. changed the bios to s1+s3, or was it just s3.. anyway hibernate's doing FA now

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directhex:

ubuntuisloved, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire

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mzb_d800:

btw: picked up the 48" rptv yesterday

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black_Nightmare_:

hey :p

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directhex:

ubuntuisloved, firewire_tester looks like a good bet. a copy of the source is provided with myth

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mzb_d800:

it has issues (apparently) which I thought were going to be cathode controller-board related

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ubuntuisloved:

can i use a basic tv app to test it first

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ubuntuisloved:

im using my laptop now with ubuntu

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mzb_d800:

but it seems so far that the only problem it has is vibration|movement related ... eg. probably a dry joint

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black_Nightmare_:

hey mzb...

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mzb_d800:

hi black_Nightmare_

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black_Nightmare_:

I can't remember now but didn't someone here mentioned about a receiver box that had video-feedable firewire on it?

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mzb_d800:

just patting myself on the back for scoring a free 48" rptv ;)

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directhex:

ubuntuisloved, you need a tv app aware of firewire-based tuners

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justinh:

black_Nightmare_: you mean, video in, firewire out?

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directhex:

black_Nightmare_, pyro av link? SD only?

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justinh:

black_Nightmare_: those things only put out DV over firewire and are no good for mythtv as it stands now

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black_Nightmare_:

justinh..heh well kinda like that yeah.... dish<--?--->receiver<---firewire--->pc viewing channels

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black_Nightmare_:

someone mentioned I think a motorola box

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justinh:

dunno then

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black_Nightmare_:

thanks nevertheless ;)

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justinh:

there were some boxes of dubious legality available for DN with firewire outputs

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justinh:

I think they went belly-up though

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justinh:

hmmm. there must be some config file I need to edit for hibernate to work

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black_Nightmare_:

directhex...just SD yeah (beside thats what the typical channels are so far aside to a limited few such as HD-cbc in a few slots weekly etc)

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black_Nightmare_:

justinh..you know what I find irony about this?

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justinh:

that people in the UK where there's no properly available HD are telling you this?

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ubuntuisloved:

will a bootable knoppmyth cd allow me to test this out on firewire?

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black_Nightmare_:

there's already an existing orginization on the purpose of video&control over only firewire alone (meaning eg in a typical setup of tivo-receiver-tv the only non firewire cable at all would be the coax one between wall and receiver at all) but seem that very few actual products are ever released at all

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justinh:

actually now I have a kickass frontend, I might just have to step up my plan to get that dish back up for HDTV

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justinh:

it looks so much better than SD, even on an SDTV

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black_Nightmare_:

probably same to the ieee1349 site listing many firewire-equipped a/v equippments (next to the computer pci card list etc) but when I actually check the makers' site there's almost nothing too

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directhex:

ubuntuisloved, it would allow you to configure firewire, then scratch your head if it doesn't work. adequately *testing* requires firewire_tester.c

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black_Nightmare_:

but anyhow...hmm

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black_Nightmare_:

tv or not....I'm wondering if firewire<->video bridges have to always be expensive or hard to find or I'm missing something somewhere? :p

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justinh:

directhex: btw I also bought a http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . T&ih=014 today – just for giggles

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directhex:

ondigital :|

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directhex:

rs232 keyboard :|

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justinh:

directhex: lirc serial receiver and diddy ickle IR keyboard

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justinh:

handy to have around

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ubuntuisloved:

im going to try myth bootable cd brb

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[Jasper]:

directhex srt subtitles

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justinh:

haven't heard from that Italian muppet who bought that other cpu from me yet

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directhex:

[Jasper], embedded, or separate .srt files?

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mzb_d800:

justinh: there is a method for doing suspend|hibernate debug written by Linus

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justinh:

mzb_d800: I'm not immediately bothered if it doesn't work – if it can be got quickly I'll do it, if not it can wait

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[Jasper]:

seperate .srt files directhex

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[Jasper]:

same name only .srt

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[Jasper]:

any key I need to press to see subtitles?

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mzb_d800:

justinh: it *can* be an involved process ... .but then you might find it only takes one mod before it works

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directhex:

[Jasper], try hitting the M key to bring up the menu – there might be an option. i'm pretty sure someone wrote a srt parser for myth – it just doesn't work in embedded video

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mzb_d800:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend

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bird603568:

is there a tuner that does both hdtv AND hardware encode analog?

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bird603568:

i cant seem to find one

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directhex:

bird603568, not quite yet

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justinh:

that's cos there ain't one that works in linux yet

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black_Nightmare_:

I've always wondered about infraed keyboards but not sure where I could find them tho (the fact I'm having enough issue trying to find a keyboard layout that *I* would like as well)

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bird603568:

thought so

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[Jasper]:

own

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directhex:

bird603568, as in "yes, but the hardware encoder isn't supported in linux yet"

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bird603568:

which is better the 150 or 250?

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justinh:

damnit. that didn't go very well

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directhex:

bird603568, just get a 150

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bird603568:

ok

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justinh:

suspended & I woke it up but it won't boot :(

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[Jasper]:

directhex don't see an option in the menu ?

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