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Saturday, December 1st, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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bsdfox:

:)

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black_Nightmare_:

I know its probably not quite related to mythtv systems but heh mind if I ask about keyboards? ^_^

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psofa:

theres a dvb portal channel.In my regular recevier theres a subservice button to choose which channel i want to tune to from the one the portal offers.can i do that in mythtv?

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bsdfox:

mchou: I remember now.. only the 33mb/s cables fit into the onboard ide ports :P

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mchou:

bsdfox: huh??

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mchou:

afaik the cable "ends" arent any different between ATA33 and ATA66/100

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mchou:

only the cable itself is different

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mchou:

In any case I dont remember what speed my drives were running. All I remember was it was more than sufficient

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bsdfox:

mchou: the 80 pin cables have a port blocked off

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bsdfox:

I can only run 40 pin onboard, kinda lame

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mchou:

bsdfox: take a soldering iron to it. it will be amenable

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varun0:

does anyone have advice on which deinterlacer to use for mplayer?

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luckyone:

hello – I am about to buy a video capture card for the dvr I am building but want to get one that will capture the digital signal that will only be available in 2009

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luckyone:

does anyone have any recommendations?

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bsdfox:

varun0: I use bob

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bsdfox:

luckyone: there is a lot of info on supported ones on the website

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luckyone:

really?

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luckyone:

I didn't see any here – http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Video_capture_cards

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Aval0n:

!seen |torg|

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MythLogBot:

|torg| was last seen 7 days 23 hours 11 minutes 28 seconds ago

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luckyone:

bsdfox: the HDTV cards?

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luckyone:

bsdfox: if you are digital are you automatically ATSC?

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Aval0n:

shit

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Aval0n:

how can you verify if DMA is on with a sata drive?

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bsdfox:

dma is always on with sata

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bsdfox:

it's required

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Aval0n:

ok

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bsdfox:

ATSC is a type of digital I believe

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Aval0n:

I'm getting chopping after 15–20 minutes of watching hd recordings

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bsdfox:

and yes, the hdtv capture cards are digital

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Aval0n:

wondering if it's my hard drive

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Aval0n:

I did a speed test and it's 60mb/sec but I dunno what's going on

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Aval0n:

I wonder if more ram would help

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bsdfox:

Aval0n: that's strange

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bsdfox:

15 minutes is a long time for it to work then suddenly go bad

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

2007-11–30 18:59:02.575 AO: audio waiting for space on soundcard: have 5856 need 6144

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Aval0n:

I get that on the front end logs

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luckyone:

bsdfox: so the HD-5500 is the card that I want?

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stiev3:

I've got a bunch of channels to delete, is there a better way than going down the channel editor list and pressing d on each one?

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bsdfox:

dunno I don't have one

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luckyone:

what do you use?

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defaultro:

hey folks, am I correct that I can use any cheap hdmi cable?

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defaultro:

I was looking at the reviews from the guys here -> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002L5R78/ref=nosim . . . 207-20206-20

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bsdfox:

luckyone: I don't have an hd capture card yet

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Aval0n:

you should get your hdmi cable from monoprice

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Aval0n:

cheap/awesome quality

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Aval0n:

got mine for 12 bux

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Aval0n:

24 gauge

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Aval0n:

gold plated

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Aval0n:

w/mesh

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defaultro:

what about that $2.33 at amazon?

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defaultro:

i'll look at it

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defaultro:

what do you think about this one, http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2

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Aval0n:

I have that one too

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Aval0n:

works very well

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Aval0n:

use it in the bedroom

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Aval0n:

AO: audio waiting for space on soundcard: have 5856 need 6144

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Aval0n:

could that be causing skipping after a while of hd playback?

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evilint:

so im playing with mythtv for the first time, i've run mythtv-setup, scanned channels, filled the database, and started up mythbackend (output shows receiving of PIDs)

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evilint:

however

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evilint:

when i run mythfrontend, it does not show the backend server

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evilint:

and pressing search yields no results

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evilint:

....any hints on how to troubleshoot this?

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my2keh:

would anyone why my mythtv box is stuck at "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" and won't finish booting?

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defaultro:

frick

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defaultro:

i'm very very pissed off with a company

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defaultro:

guys, how much does source code cost?

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cmoates:

defaultro, depends, but generally a lot

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defaultro:

frick :(

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defaultro:

i had a long shouting with a close friend

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defaultro:

he is the middle man

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defaultro:

the company that I built the website for is asking for all the .fla files

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siXy:

my2keh, what device is it trying to set DMA mode on?

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cmoates:

don't shout at your middle men :(

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defaultro:

he started it

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defaultro:

i told him that i won't give the source code but he insisted

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cmoates:

Was it on contract?

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defaultro:

there is no contract

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defaultro:

so i'm ok

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my2keh:

siXy>> no idea...how do I find that out?

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cmoates:

No, but was the work done by contract?

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defaultro:

no contract

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defaultro:

i even did the work at home

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cmoates:

Generally speaking, if you do coding work for a single customer, it is customary to supply the source files

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defaultro:

it's all mouth

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bsdfox:

you have no obligation to give them source code

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cmoates:

If they are paying for your labor, they are likely to expect the source

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defaultro:

exactly bsdbox

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cmoates:

Without a written contract there is no obligation

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defaultro:

exactly

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defaultro:

i don't know what to do

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my2keh:

you need to manage expectations appropriately

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cmoates:

But they certainly are in their right mind to ask for it

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defaultro:

yes, that's what they're doing now

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cmoates:

This is why you write down exactly what you're going to deliver and do it on a contract :/

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bsdfox:

why don't you want to give it to them

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defaultro:

how will i earn money if they need modificatoin

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defaultro:

?

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defaultro:

that's why i want to keep it

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defaultro:

not sure if it's proper

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my2keh:

if they don't know what they are doing, they will have to come back to you

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defaultro:

the friggin thing is that, i don't know if it's true, is that they want their third party support to do the changes

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bsdfox:

fwiw, I've never had anyone deny me source code

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cmoates:

Just because they have the source doesn't mean they won't hire you to do additional modificatinos

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cmoates:

However, locking them in to only using you by withholding the source doesn't make for a good business relationship

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siXy:

my2keh, can you please paste the entire boot message to rafb.net or similar?

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defaultro:

no, they want their third party support to do the modifications in the future

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defaultro:

i just reread the email

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defaultro:

which is somewhat fishy

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cmoates:

Not really

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cmoates:

I do jobs like that all the time

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my2keh:

siXy>> I can't really do unless I retype the whole thing?

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bsdfox:

me too

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defaultro:

ok

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bsdfox:

how much time do you have invested

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cmoates:

I get paid to get it off the ground, then they bring in someone less experienced/expensive to maintain

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bsdfox:

might be worth it to just give it to them to keep everyone happy

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defaultro:

i spent like 4 months on it

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cmoates:

And did you get paid for it?

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bsdfox:

all paid time?

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defaultro:

yes

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siXy:

my2keh, ah. well in that case, what device was mentioned just before the error message?

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defaultro:

small though :(

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bsdfox:

then just give it to them :P

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my2keh:

then quit whining

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cmoates:

Then what's the problem?

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my2keh:

siXy>> it mentions that it's setting the system clock again

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my2keh:

no device mentioned

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defaultro:

problem is, i won't be maintaining it anymore

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bsdfox:

so?

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my2keh:

move on

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cmoates:

Refusing to give them the code is likely to just have them pay someone else to write it over again, and they'll get the source code from that person

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defaultro:

:)

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evilint:

thats how it works bud

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my2keh:

you can't milk that cow forever

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cmoates:

So you can either never have a chance of business with them again, and keep your source

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siXy:

my2keh, it should be some device, probably your hard drive, that is causing the error

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cmoates:

Or give it to them and hope they come back in the future

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defaultro:

ok

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bsdfox:

you don't HAVE to give them the source code with no contract though

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my2keh:

siXy>> right, but I can't fix it because it won't boot...is there like a safe mode? heh

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cmoates:

No, but as I said, it's pretty normal for them to expect that they'd get a copy, if it was custom work

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siXy:

my2keh, boot a livecd and change what you need to change...

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cmoates:

If it was non-custom work, it's a different story

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defaultro:

it's all by mouth

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defaultro:

hey bro, change this page

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defaultro:

hey bro, here is a new file put it on page 3

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defaultro:

no contracts

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bsdfox:

is it just a website?

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defaultro:

simple website

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defaultro:

but they want all the fla files

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bsdfox:

bleh quit wasting your time

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defaultro:

:)

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bsdfox:

I'd just give it to them and remind them that you're familiar with the code

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defaultro:

k

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bsdfox:

it's probably faster for you to do stupid mods than have someone else look through it all

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bsdfox:

I've taken over website jobs from other people and they always gave me all their source code no questions asked

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defaultro:

ok, i feel better

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

i'll just move on and forget about him

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defaultro:

hahaha

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bsdfox:

I work for lawyers though so they probably had contracts

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defaultro:

well, i learned my lessons

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defaultro:

i should do contract next time

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defaultro:

ah, if for example, they contact me and ask me how to modify it, I won't give them the solution

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cmoates:

Unless they pay you, no

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defaultro:

yes

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cmoates:

Depends on how much business they give you, etc

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defaultro:

if they pay me, yes

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defaultro:

they're giving me more clients

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cmoates:

I have a particular company I do little stuff for, for free

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cmoates:

because they give me $20k jobs 2–3 times a year

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defaultro:

nope, they're my first one

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defaultro:

thanks guys for pacifying me :)

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cmoates:

np

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psofa:

any dvb guy around? is it possible to select dvb subchannels in mythtv?Theres a chan from where you get to choose what feed you want.is this possible in myth?

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cmoates:

different channels on the same multiplex?

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iamlindoro:

What the heck... suddenly my mythvideo edit metadata fields are half-not-accessible... there is the title "Name," but no box to edit it in... Can't edit a custom player command... I know I've seen this before and overcome it, but I can't recall how... anyone have any idea what I boned here?

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psofa:

cmoates, no

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psofa:

theres a portal channel

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cmoates:

I'm not a dvb expert

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psofa:

that redirects you to specific feeds

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psofa:

these channels are not scannable by mythtv

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psofa:

i could add them by manually messing with the db i guess but i dont like hackjobs

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cmoates:

That may be the only option, but you might try to ask another time and see if someone more familiar with DVB is around

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psofa:

:)

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lightning:

quick Q, I go into watch live tv and get the cable (note, I have an external cable box with a script setup to allow channel changing), escape out, go back into live tv and get a black screen. the backend shows swapping to livetv, the frontend shows "tv error: startplayer(): nvp is not playing after 20000 msec"

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lightning:

then the backend shows swapping back to none although the screen says black

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lightning:

trying to escape at this point does not allow the menut to redisplay

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lightning:

using a wintv 500 card, only have tuner 1 configured in mythtv-setup

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stiev3:

How would one go about disabling the ~300 fancy channels they are not subscribed to? I've deactivated them through schedules direct, myth still flips to them causing HD receiver meltdown.

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my2keh:

set them as visible =0 in the db

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lightning:

hey, couple new people joined. maybe you could help? i go into watch live tv, tuner shows up, escape out, go back into it, screen says black with "tv error: startplayer(): nvp is not playing after 20000 msec" at this point i can only kill the frontend

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Aval0n:

guys is there anyway to make myth spit the cd/dvd out when you hit your eject button

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Aval0n:

right now it won't come out unless I hit eject media on the menu,

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psm321:

hi

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mzb:

ok, I've got a beta version of my random autoplay dvd working

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cmoates:

cool

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psm321:

how can i copy data from a table in one database to a table in another? (its a procedure people came up with this morning tohelp recover a deleted table)

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mzb:

apart from using "pure" random, it avoids playing the same song twice ... I think I'll try using up a few registers to avoid (say) the last few

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cmoates:

psm321, are the table structures the same?

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mzb:

if I get energetic I might try doing bit logic to get closer to a shuffle method

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mzb:

I've tested the randomness a little (and to double check the logic) by using gxine

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psm321:

cmoates: yeah, copying a recordedseek from an imported db to my main db

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mzb:

on a dvd with dvd video clips, this is the result I get: http://openpaste.org/en/4106/

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cmoates:

psm321 if so, "INSERT INTO destination_database_name.destination_table_name SELECT * FROM source_db.source_table

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mzb:

s/with dvd/with 24/

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** Tanthrix wonders why his new MCE ir reciever keeps blinking mysteriously like it's recieving IR signals from a ghost **

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clever[rev]:

is it posible to stop a backend from starting jobs without restarting it?

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mzb:

where the numbers represent the number of times each video is played

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psm321:

cmoates: thanks

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mzb:

clever[rev]: change maxjobs in the db

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mzb:

ah .. timing woman is home ... bbl

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clever[rev]:

mzb: last time i tried that i thought it didnt take effect till a restart

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clever[rev]:

mzb: but i'll give it a go

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mzb:

it checks every now and then, iirc

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mzb:

(ie. every time it checks for jobs?)

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clever[rev]:

basicaly i want it to stop taking jobs

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clever[rev]:

so i can shut it down without killing a job

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clever[rev]:

i can handle waiting for the current ones to finish

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clever[rev]:

looks like its JobQueueMaxSimultaneousJobs :)

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Tanthrix:

Anyone know if it's possible to use two remotes on the same ir reciever?

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clever[rev]:

i cant think why not

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clever[rev]:

just program the ir codes from both sets in

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cmoates:

Tanthrix, you can

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Tanthrix:

On the lirc page it talks about using multiple devices (ie, multiple recievers) but not multiple remotes

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clever[rev]:

a receiver i think can listen to any remote

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clever[rev]:

including multiple ones

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mzb_d800:

Tanthrix: yes ...

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clever[rev]:

(just not 2 buttons held at the same time)

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mzb_d800:

not all receivers can do that

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clever[rev]:

most receivers i think are to pick of generic ir signals

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clever[rev]:

and would work with any remote

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mzb_d800:

no

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cmoates:

Tanthrix, it's just a matter of defining two remote profiles in lircd.conf

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Tanthrix:

cmoates: That worked perfectly, thanks.

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mzb_d800:

some receivers are "hard-coded" (for want of a better phrase) to only respond to their own remote

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clever[rev]:

mzb: yeah those would be the odd ones

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mzb_d800:

heh

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clever[rev]:

the ones that come bundled with a remote

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clever[rev]:

but home made ones probly work on any remote

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Tanthrix:

cmoates: I guess I wasn't paying attention enough to realize that the lircd file contained "begin remote" and "end remote" – from there it would be an easy guess on how to proceed.. ;)

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mzb_d800:

yes, I guess

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mzb_d800:

yes, serial receiver will work with just about anything

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cmoates:

Tanthrix, indeed, but some receivers are bound to specific remotes

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cmoates:

Tanthrix, most however are just generic

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alibi:

Well, I've KIND OF figured out how to share shows from MythTV to iTunes / FrontRow

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Tanthrix:

cmoates: To my surprise, this MCE USB reciever is working just fine for my old remote.

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cmoates:

Tanthrix, yes, I have a similar model and it works great for most any remote

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alibi:

(self congratulations for job partially well done)

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Tanthrix:

My serial one is a piece of junk. This one is so much better with regards to range

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clever[rev]:

my remote is able to be reprogramed so any of the 4 mode buttons clone another

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clever[rev]:

so i could for example make all 4 buttons cablebox mode

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clever[rev]:

(normaly its audio vcr tv and cable)

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Tanthrix:

cmoates: Does yours have the light up LED that triggers when recieving?

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cmoates:

Tanthrix, yes, it's an MCEUSB2, came with a Hauppauge PVR 150 MCE

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clever[rev]:

i tried to reprogram the audio button to be a second cable box with a uniq set of codes(to only affect myth)

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clever[rev]:

but i seem to have locked myself out of the audio button's settings

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cmoates:

oops

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clever[rev]:

feels like a firmware bug in the remote

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Tanthrix:

cmoates: Ever see it start blinking on its own accord? Mine was a few minutes ago, though it has seemed to stop now.

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clever[rev]:

you can lock the cable mode settings

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clever[rev]:

and when i copyed them i must have copied the lock

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cmoates:

Tanthrix, sure you weren't sitting on a remote or something? I've never seen that

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clever[rev]:

and it lacks the ability to change the lock on the other modes so its screwed till i format it:P

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Tanthrix:

cmoates: Very sure. I even walked over to it, completely covered it up, and it continued right on blinking.

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cmoates:

Tanthrix, hmm... I seem to think that it blinks when it transmits too... No chance you had it doing that?

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Tanthrix:

cmoates: Well, that certainly makes more sense than my ghost theory, but I haven't specifically setup any ir blasting capability for anything.

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cmoates:

Tanthrix, hm. Dunno. I have never noticed that, personally

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Tanthrix:

Ahh well, probably not a big deal.

[04:34:19]

Tanthrix:

And this self-learning remote business is extremely well done.

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Tanthrix:

Didn't even know it had that functionality

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cmoates:

irrecord?

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cmoates:

When it works, it works great

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Tanthrix:

cmoates: No, the self-learning abilities that the actual MCE remote has, for doing TV power / volume

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cmoates:

Ahh

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cmoates:

Yeah, I had no idea it did that either ;)

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Tanthrix:

I spoke too soon though – trying to change the volume buttons just blinks 4 times and fails.

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cmoates:

But I dont use the MCE remote

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Tanthrix:

Any idea what that's about?

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cmoates:

No, because I don't use the MCE remote :/

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mzb:

Build an IR receiver http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=83

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mzb:

very sensitive

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mzb:

great range with all the remotes I'v got

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my2keh:

anyone know how to change references from hdb to hdc?

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mzb:

more input! :)

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mzb:

(ie. not enough info)

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cmoates:

my2keh, could you be more specific about your problem?

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Tanthrix:

It mysteriously started working. Hrm.

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my2keh:

it looks as though the Primary IDE connector on my mobo is only working with 1 HDD

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my2keh:

so I used to have 2 HDDs on Primary IDE

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mzb:

sure it's not a CS cable?

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my2keh:

now for some reason only 1

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my2keh:

mzb>> tried 7 different cables

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mzb:

distro?

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cmoates:

So you just want to move the drive to the secondary IDE

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my2keh:

so I'm thinking 1 HDD on #1 IDE and 1 on #2 IDE

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opello:

my2keh: probably need to edit your fstab

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cmoates:

And have linux mount that one instead?

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my2keh:

Debian

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my2keh:

right

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cmoates:

open /etc/fstab and change the references of hdb to hdc

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mzb:

dmesg | grep hd ?

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my2keh:

keep in mind, I have LVM

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mzb:

won't matter

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cmoates:

LVM should be unaffected, it writes tags

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cmoates:

to each disk

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cmoates:

to identify them

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opello:

then maybe consider switching to mounting via uuid so it doesn't matter? heh

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mzb:

lvm scans available volumes (lvm.conf?)

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opello:

if you mount before lvm? i guess i don't know

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clever[rev]:

lvm scans all block devices(lvm.conf says which cd like things to skip)

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clever[rev]:

and then uses the found data(in the header of lvm PV's)

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clever[rev]:

each PV has the layout of its entire VG in the header

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Tanthrix:

cmoates: So, can I make two buttons on two different remotes do the same thing in my lircrc, or do I need to make a new block for each button?

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my2keh:

so just edit fstab ?

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my2keh:

and then reboot?

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clever[rev]:

you can probly either tie the 2 ir codes to the same lirc key

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cmoates:

Tanthrix, you can do that two ways

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clever[rev]:

or tie each ir code to a lirc key which are then paired to the same keyboard key in the myth config

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cmoates:

define two separate (but nearly identical) entries in the lircrc

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cmoates:

or make it so that in the lircd.conf both buttons produce the same thing

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cmoates:

i.e. PLAY

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my2keh:

fstab doesn't have any reference to "HDB"

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cmoates:

Does it have references to LABEL or UUID?

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Tanthrix:

cmoates: Righto, thanks.

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my2keh:

dev/vg/myth /myth auto defaults,noatime,nodiratime,auto 0 2

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cmoates:

So moving the disk might be as easy as just moving the disk

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cmoates:

Or did you try that arleady?

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my2keh:

that's my LVM

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my2keh:

cmoates>> yes I did...and it won't boot up

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my2keh:

it hangs during boot process and says it can't find hdb

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cmoates:

What was the error

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cmoates:

ok

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cmoates:

Is it an md device also?

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my2keh:

md?

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cmoates:

raid

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my2keh:

no

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my2keh:

so something in the boot process is saying hey look for hdb

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cmoates:

cd /etc

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cmoates:

grep -ri hdb &

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my2keh:

i want it to say hey look for hdc instead

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my2keh:

heh

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cmoates:

err *

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cmoates:

not &

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cmoates:

and see if it turns up anything

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clever[rev]:

cmoates: . is better then * when you -r

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grokky:

Hi all. Any Australians here figured out how to find the guide data for the new 7HD and 10HD channels and get it in myth? – Ie, the divergent data?

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clever[rev]:

cmoates: and -i isnt needed because /dev/HDB will never exist

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cmoates:

clever[rev], . I'll give you, and while unlikely, i can't hurt

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grokky:

There is a little bit of 7HD data in oztivo guide, but not much, and nothing for the new 10 channel (1).

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clever[rev]:

k:)

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** Beirdo submits a job application to RealNetworks... **

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my2keh:

doh!

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my2keh:

i think i found it heh

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my2keh:

sbin/hdparm -qd1 /dev/hdb

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my2keh:

on a drive that doesn't exist

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my2keh:

on bootup

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my2keh:

would probably hold things up

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cmoates:

yes

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cmoates:

you can just comment that out to test with

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cmoates:

rather than changing it to c and breaking things even more ;)

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my2keh:

which i did already

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my2keh:

lol

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my2keh:

lemme undo that heh

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Beirdo:

Ugh, I can't believe I'm about to do this...

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** Beirdo sees a posting for a Sr. Firmware Engineer... at Microsoft **

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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my2keh:

lol

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my2keh:

working for the devil isn't bad

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my2keh:

if he pays well

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Beirdo:

hey, I think 19 months unemployed is quite long enough

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my2keh:

then money is money

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

even if it means moving thousands of miles

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my2keh:

gatta do what you gatta do

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Beirdo:

neither my wife nor I want to move, but there really aren't many jobs here right now

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my2keh:

aren't you in Toronto?

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Beirdo:

not anymore

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Beirdo:

I'm in Puerto Rico now

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my2keh:

ahhh nice

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my2keh:

except for work

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Beirdo:

but if we move, it's likely to be Seattle... about as far as we can go and be in the continental 48 states

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Beirdo:

sigh

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Beirdo:

or even worse... silicon valley

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Beirdo:

puke

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my2keh:

and be poor in the valley

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Beirdo:

no kidding

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Beirdo:

although if both of us get decent jobs, not so poor if we are careful about housing

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my2keh:

move back to Tdot

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Beirdo:

n.o.

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my2keh:

lol

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Beirdo:

I have my green card, I'm not moving back to Canada...

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my2keh:

i spend about 1–2 days there a week

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my2keh:

drives me crazy

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Beirdo:

we'd have to do all the stupid immigration paperwork formy wife

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opello:

heh, Beirdo married for love... i mean, a green card :)

[05:01:31]

my2keh:

ahhh yes

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Beirdo:

I married for love.

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Beirdo:

:)

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my2keh:

stupid drive! if I plug it in, system hangs

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opello:

heh ;)

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Beirdo:

but the green card will keep me from running back to Toronto, that's for sure

[05:02:26]

opello:

microsoft, or the business of fine jams ... quite the spectrum

[05:02:35]

Beirdo:

yeah, I know

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Beirdo:

I don't wanna work for MS

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Beirdo:

but its better than nothing

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my2keh:

cmoates>> hey you still there?

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my2keh:

better then nothing is good

[05:03:35]

my2keh:

you might grow to like them :P

[05:04:04]

my2keh:

does this make sense, linux was booting, but was hung at "Setting system clock"

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my2keh:

I pressed Ctrl-C

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my2keh:

and it resumed booting?

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Beirdo:

interesting

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Beirdo:

I think I'll quickly grow to love Seattle and area

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Beirdo:

dunno about MS in particular though

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my2keh:

except for the rain

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Beirdo:

bah, it rains here like 2/3 of the days of the year

[05:05:23]

my2keh:

you can't have it all

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cmoates:

sorta ;)

[05:05:48]

Beirdo:

There it is... it's official, I've put my foot into the dark side.

[05:05:53]

my2keh:

wait, so you married a Puertorican?

[05:05:59]

Beirdo:

yes, I did :)

[05:06:03]

my2keh:

nicely done

[05:06:04]

Beirdo:

in Puerto Rico

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Beirdo:

she's not too hot on moving (neither am I) but what can we do?

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Beirdo:

I'd really like remote work

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Beirdo:

but that ain't easy to find

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my2keh:

nope

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my2keh:

living isn't free

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Beirdo:

true. She works though

[05:07:34]

Beirdo:

solaris admin :)

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Beirdo:

double-geek family

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my2keh:

that's trouble

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Beirdo:

that application was in the PC Hardware division

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my2keh:

fuck, computer thinks it's Dec 1

[05:08:57]

my2keh:

wait

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Beirdo:

so it's not a complete sellout :)

[05:09:00]

my2keh:

it is

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my2keh:

n/m lol

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my2keh:

FYI, I meant it is Dec 1st

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Beirdo:

has been for over an hour here :)

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my2keh:

heh

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my2keh:

i'm not normally up this late

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my2keh:

need my sleep

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Beirdo:

working on firmware for mice and keyboards isn't the same as working on MS' latest crappy OS

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my2keh:

too many noses to clean during the day

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my2keh:

entereing run level 5 hmm

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jhulst:

I'm moving my myth backend to another machine, is it best to backup the database or is there something else that needs to be done?

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Tanthrix:

jhulst: Always do a full backup whenever doing anything critical like that. Though, in this case, you'd have to in order to move it.

[05:24:40]

jhulst:

So a full backup would allow me to move it, there isn't anything machine specific?

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Anduin:

jhulst: There is, the main MythTV.org docs cover moving hosts.

[05:25:37]

jhulst:

Anduin: okay, thanks. I'll take a look there

[05:30:38]

jhulst:

All I'm seeing is changing the hostname, is that all there is to it?

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Anduin:

jhulst: Yes

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Anduin:

(in various tables)

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my2keh:

anyone ever have their system hang at Setting Clock during bootup?

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sslashes:

if mythbackend is using the wrong database logon info, how can i change it / where is that stored?

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sslashes:

my2keh: is it trying to check ntp on a networkless box?

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my2keh:

sslashes>> nadda

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Anduin:

sslashes: mysql.txt (which can be many places)

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sslashes:

Anduin: great, thanks

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Chicago:

Hi, How can I add a v4l2-ctl call on every channel change with my pvr-150 encoder?

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Anduin:

Chicago: You can pretend to use an external tuner script (there is no post channel change hook)

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SavageOne:

I always have a hell fo a time w/ my 150

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SavageOne:

particularly the one that's for the mce of windows

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Chicago:

Anduin: Thanks for the suggestion. I'll google howto setup an external tuner script, that sounds like a good idea.

[06:10:04]

Chicago:

SavageOne: I have the PVR-500 MCE.

[06:10:31]

SavageOne:

how is it?

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SavageOne:

I'm using linuxmce at the moment

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SavageOne:

but I've worked with mythbuntu, knoppmyth, and of couse just mythtv on whatever distro usually deb based

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Chicago:

the PVR-500 MCE gets better with age... the Kernel and the IVTV drivers have come along way since I first bought it.

[06:11:13]

SavageOne:

what's diff between it and the 150

[06:11:19]

SavageOne:

is it more inputs? faster?

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Chicago:

There are two 150 encoders on the PVR-500...

[06:11:34]

SavageOne:

it drives me crazy that tuner cards aren't a simpler thing to work with

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SavageOne:

ahhhh

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SavageOne:

so does that mean there are 2 coaxial jacks

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SavageOne:

becuase my next step is to have multiple tuners available to mythtv

[06:12:29]

SavageOne:

linuxmce is pretty nice but very rough around the edges

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SavageOne:

I'm sitting here workingon my home box as we speak

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SavageOne:

it's a good idea, what it does, but man it's got some quirks rofl

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Chicago:

SavageOne: There is just one tuner input on the PVR-500. The internal chipset shares it with both of the 150 encoders inside.

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SavageOne:

i hear you

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SavageOne:

but only one person at a time watches tv

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Chicago:

Anduin: Do you have an example script that shows the mappings for the channel changing part of the external script? What vars do I get to pass to v4l2-ctl from mythbackend?

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psm321:

sorry this is only tangentially mythtv-related, but is it normal for the size on disk to be smaller when copying a table from one database to another? i'd think it was more optimized or something except the table in the source database was also just created from a sql dump

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bfrog:

is there some issue with wintv pvr 150 cards and the latest kernel?

[06:28:57]

bfrog:

I get weird errors while trying to play /

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bfrog:

er nm

[06:29:32]

bfrog:

you know, I say that cause it barfed last time

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bfrog:

now its working fine ....

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clever[rev]:

it feared me so it started working:P

[06:30:14]

bfrog:

although... now its all black and white...

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bfrog:

before I had color, but I'd get invalid mpeg errors

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clever[rev]:

all ive got is a ugly frame grabber

[06:31:05]

bfrog:

mp2 @ 0x898c5d0]incorrect frame size236 76/ 76 19% 12% 11.2% 71 0

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clever[rev]:

and im recording at youtube quality to stretch my disk space

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bfrog:

thats the error I get

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psm321:

clever[rev]: how much space per hour? (curious because i also have a low size setup)

[06:31:47]

clever[rev]:

psm321: under an hour easily

[06:31:58]

clever[rev]:

i have my frame grabber set for 500kb/sec mpeg4

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clever[rev]:

default is 2200kb/sec(exactly 1gig/hour)

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bfrog:

so strange that the tv card doesn't work right...

[06:32:26]

clever[rev]:

in theory i should get 4 hours/gig

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bfrog:

I think I remember this issue before though...

[06:33:05]

clever[rev]:

i have about 9 days of recordings on arround 130gig

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psm321:

hmm, that's about what i get (around 120–130 megs for a typical half hour recording)

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psm321:

in actuality. dont know about theory :)

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clever[rev]:

`e $calc(2200*8*1000)

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clever[rev]:

$calc(2200*8*1000) == 17600000

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clever[rev]:

bits per frame

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clever[rev]:

`e $calc((2200*8*1000)/8)

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clever[rev]:

$calc((2200*8*1000)/8) == 2200000

[06:36:06]

clever[rev]:

no bits per second

[06:36:10]

clever[rev]:

then bytes per second

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clever[rev]:

`e $bytes($calc((2200*8*1000)/8)).suf

[06:36:28]

clever[rev]:

$bytes($calc((2200*8*1000)/8)).suf == 2.1MB

[06:36:39]

psm321:

bfrog: just guessing here, no particular insight, but is your ntsc/pal/etc set right and are you using the right frequency table? (not sure where to check those)

[06:36:43]

clever[rev]:

must be a typo in there:P

[06:37:01]

clever[rev]:

ah

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clever[rev]:

`e $bytes($calc((2200*1000)/8)).suf

[06:37:08]

clever[rev]:

$bytes($calc((2200*1000)/8)).suf == 268.55KB

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clever[rev]:

`e $calc(((2200*1000)/8)*3600)

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clever[rev]:

$calc(((2200*1000)/8)*3600) == 990000000

[06:37:38]

clever[rev]:

bytes/hour

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clever[rev]:

`e $bytes($calc(((2200*1000)/8)*3600)).suf

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clever[rev]:

$bytes($calc(((2200*1000)/8)*3600)).suf == 944.14MB

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psm321:

what iare you using to calculate? (just curious, havent seen anything like it before)

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clever[rev]:

in theory 2200kb/sec is 944mb/hour

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psm321:

but what do you actually get? :)

[06:38:12]

clever[rev]:

900–1050mb/hour

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clever[rev]:

and thats mirc script im using

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psm321:

oh

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Anduin:

Chicago: Sorry, stepped away, you just get the channel number (not the frequency, so you will need to use something that knows how to map that)

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psm321:

i mean what size do you get with your reduced settings?

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clever[rev]:

checking

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psm321:

i've found mine varies w/ signal quality

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clever[rev]:

244mb and 248mb for the 2latest halfhour recordings

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clever[rev]:

which autotranscode to be a bit smaller after they record

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clever[rev]:

487mb for a recent 1h prog

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clever[rev]:

which i beleive isnt transcoded yet

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psm321:

cool

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bfrog:

ok, restarted, got color and higher resolution back

[06:41:25]

bfrog:

but now this is what I get

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bfrog:

Too many video packets in the buffer: (4096 in 7956396 bytes).

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bfrog:

from gmplayer

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bfrog:

I don't really get it...

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clever[rev]:

psm321: i made a complex multitable query in mysql

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clever[rev]:

psm321: which uses recorded and recordedseek to work out the bitrate of all shows

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psm321:

wow

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psm321:

i just use the filesize and recorded

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clever[rev]:

i can then sort all shows by bitrate and transcode the fat ones to save space

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psm321:

and i just transcode everything that comes from the mpeg card (except recordings from before i started doing that)

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clever[rev]:

but a 1hour show and a 30min show may be the same size from diff bitrates

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psm321:

and by transcode i mean just to change the format... i never cut commercials out

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clever[rev]:

i sometimes com cut

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psm321:

most people find my recording quality unbearable :)

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clever[rev]:

i edited the high quality transcode profile to be lossless

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clever[rev]:

it cuts the bits out super fast

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psm321:

but i have to keep it low because i obsessively record things (currently have around 10000 (yes 4 zeros))

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clever[rev]:

lol

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psm321:

it stresses myth in very interesting ways

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clever[rev]:

127 gig in my myth atm

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clever[rev]:

286 recordings

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clever[rev]:

mythweb says about 9 days i think

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psm321:

mythweb wont run for me anymore

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psm321:

runs out of memory

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psm321:

:)

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clever[rev]:

lol

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** justinh looks up doing a diskless ubuntu install **

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clever[rev]:

ive been thinking of converting a hdd based install to a usb stick one

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clever[rev]:

for my gateway laptop

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clever[rev]:

posibly with the aid of a livecd half

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clever[rev]:

the gateway eats hdd's for lunch so im not going to feed it:P

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justinh:

looks like I need debootstrap

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clever[rev]:

yeah i recently found that

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clever[rev]:

it looks like it installs dpkg and friends(and what they depend on)

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clever[rev]:

in a chroot

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justinh:

eew this community doc page is slightly out of date

[06:48:35]

clever[rev]:

you could then chroot to it and install everything else

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clever[rev]:

the last page i read on nfs booting just explained how to copy a hdd install into being nfs root

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justinh:

oh bollocks looks like I have to build a kernel with the network driver built in. long time since I did that

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clever[rev]:

you could just put the drivers in the initrd

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clever[rev]:

like a normal boot

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clever[rev]:

grub can pull the kernel and initrd over tftp

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justinh:

aye hang on it says here after dapper there's no need to rebuild the kernel

[06:50:33]

clever[rev]:

grub can also be fed to the netboot of some systems

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justinh:

don't get me wrong clever I've done this plenty of times.. just a bit rusty

[06:50:58]

clever[rev]:

you need to tweak the initrd conf to mark it as being a nfs root and rebuild the initrd

[06:51:03]

clever[rev]:

and use the initrd and kernel

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clever[rev]:

ive done it 0 times:P

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justinh:

you can generally get initrd files ready made

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clever[rev]:

i cant even get HOME on nfs working(half the progs lockup trying to get locks)

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justinh:

I've even done an install to HDD then copies it to an NFS share & booted off that before

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justinh:

*copied

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justinh:

that can work too :)

[06:52:25]

clever[rev]:

yeah a page on the ubuntu wiki explained that

[06:52:50]

justinh:

almost time to go pick up my CPU from the sorting office

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clever[rev]:

what i plan to do to the gateway is a bootstrap floppy

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justinh:

then I just need some space on my desk

[06:53:14]

clever[rev]:

which loads a kernel with usb drivers

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clever[rev]:

root on usb

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justinh:

most recent kernels will boot from usb just fine

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clever[rev]:

something in the gateway ide controler is able to cause psysical damege to the hdd

[06:53:47]

justinh:

I found that slack wouldn't though, for some reason

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clever[rev]:

its probly using the usb drivers in the initrd though

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clever[rev]:

and i know i wont get both to fit on a single floppy

[06:54:18]

clever[rev]:

just getting a 2.6 kernel to fit is tricky

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justinh:

have you ever considered just putting the gateway machine in the junk pile?

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clever[rev]:

it was in a box in the garage:P

[06:55:08]

clever[rev]:

but i pulled it out to posibly turn into a gps pc in the car

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justinh:

I'm pro-recycling but you have to draw the line somewhere

[06:55:14]

levander:

In this quote from http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.4 What is PAM?

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levander:

"The rlimits method is the preferred method and is included in Linux 2.6.12 and above. Unfortunately, you need PAM version 0.79 or above, which may not be supported by your distribution yet."

[06:55:18]

clever[rev]:

vibrations cant damage a usb stick:P

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justinh:

levander: PAM is a kind of authentication thingy IIRC

[06:56:02]

clever[rev]:

plugable autentication module

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jams:

correct, and i would hope you have .79 by now.

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levander:

Any idea how I tell if i've got the proper version of PAM installed?

[06:56:23]

clever[rev]:

a program using pam can confirm who you are thru any method pam supports

[06:56:42]

clever[rev]:

so with proper pam config any pasword asking program would also accept a finger print

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jams:

levander- which distro?

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levander:

clever[rev]: Yeah, I've seen it with apache. I had no idea the Linux kernel used the same PAM though.

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justinh:

levander: I must say, congrats to you for coming here with a question about something you read somewhere before doing something :P

[06:57:10]

clever[rev]:

.

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levander:

jams: Mythbuntu Gutsy

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clever[rev]:

levander: pam is fully userspace(not much to do with the kernel)

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jams:

levander- sorry can't help you with anything ubuntu

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justinh:

levander: have you heard of #ubuntu-mythtv ?

[06:57:57]

levander:

justinh: When did I come in here with a question that I hadn't read about before?

[06:58:07]

levander:

justinh: They're not as knowledgable as this group.

[06:58:11]

justinh:

levander: just now

[06:58:40]

levander:

justinh: It was a quote from something I'd read. I did some looking and couldn't find what they were talking about...

[06:59:04]

justinh:

levander: I'd probably not worry about it too much these days. 2.6.12 is a very old kernel version now

[06:59:11]

levander:

yeah, true

[06:59:13]

levander:

thanks justinh

[06:59:33]

justinh:

that's what I meant – you read something & came here to ask about it. that doesn't happen very often!

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clever[rev] is now known as clever

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** justinh thinks clever should change his nick to 'recyclicon' or something **

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levander:

justinh: OH, cool. I thought you were being sarcastic. I'm just fed up and used to dealing with computers for the last 5 hours. When that happens to men, human interaction becomes tricky.

[07:00:38]

justinh:

levander: no, for once – I wasn't being sarcastic

[07:01:02]

levander:

;)

[07:01:19]

levander:

justinh: You know, actually reading the mythtv-users archive, that's something you gotta be aware of.

[07:01:21]

mchou:

levander: if that starts happening then stop using linux

[07:01:38]

levander:

Lots of people are posting on that list just asking because they know it's some work to look into, but don't wanna.

[07:01:45]

mchou:

levander: get a mac instead :)

[07:02:01]

levander:

mchou: I'd tear apart my Mac just as much as I tear apart my Linux box.

[07:02:02]

mchou:

levander: no need to hack

[07:02:10]

levander:

It's internal, nothing I can do about it.

[07:02:23]

mchou:

levander: then you're obsessed

[07:02:31]

levander:

mchou: You'd be surprised how much easier Ubuntu makes Linux.

[07:02:32]

justinh:

bah, so it's not enough I had to convert a video with the terrible Videora – now itunes is saying it has to be converted again. ffs. why can't they just make something that plays non-propriatary formats andhave an even bigger hit on their hands?

[07:02:43]

levander:

mchou: That's why you've got all those Ubuntu idiots running around.

[07:02:55]

levander:

mchou: It's so easy, clueless people are trying it by the truckloads.

[07:02:58]

mchou:

levander: start getting rid of computers in your life. gotta go cold turkey

[07:03:03]

Chicago:

Anduin: In the external channel change script, the first argument passed by mythbackend should be the channel number. I need the specific frequency though for v4l2-ctl. Do you know an example for getting the freqid from the mythtv database and passing it to my external channel change script? Or does the external channel changing script need to find the freqid from the database on its own?

[07:03:09]

justinh:

levander: even I won't start to argue that you can make things too easy. there are limits.

[07:03:33]

justinh:

Chicago: freqid is passed to the script by the backend code

[07:03:38]

levander:

mchou: That'd be a problem, I make a lot of money with computers. I'd have to go work at restaurants again if I got rid of computers. No idea what I'd do.

[07:03:46]

mchou:

levander: I dunno. I tried ubuntu and it kept crashing :)

[07:04:06]

justinh:

I tried ubuntu on my wife's laptop. I gave up trying to make it boot after 2 hours

[07:04:09]

mchou:

levander: that's easy. become a tour guide :)

[07:04:14]

levander:

mchou: operator error probably

[07:04:21]

mchou:

levander: lol

[07:04:34]

levander:

mchou: don't tour guides live in little huts by themselves because they can't afford anything else?

[07:04:40]

mchou:

it aint operator error when it crashes off liveVD

[07:04:51]

mchou:

levander: my point precisely :)

[07:05:12]

mchou:

levander: they dont live in lil huts

[07:05:26]

mchou:

they get plenty of "action"

[07:05:31]

justinh:

Chicago: so you don't actually need the script to look up the freqid because.. (dah da dahhhhhhhhh!) it's what the channel number should be if you set up the channel table correctly (i.e. if you entered the channel number in the freqid field)

[07:05:40]

mchou:

liveCD*

[07:06:50]

mchou:

levander: let's just say I know plenty of "lucky" tour guides :)

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justinh:

levander is right though, I think ubuntu has definitely lowered the bar for entry to linux, as other distros have to greater or lesser extents recently. the problem is when it's no longer a brain workout merely installing the distro, you need to make people realise they might need some kind of smarts to do anything beyond use firefox and an email client

[07:07:50]

Anduin:

Chicago: ivtv used to have chann.c (ok for us-bcast), there is also ivtv-tune (or used to be)

[07:08:25]

justinh:

now all we need is for everything else to catch up for ease of installation. then we'll get a new class of newbie altogether :)

[07:09:45]

justinh:

Chicago: why are you having to use an external channel change script with a tuner when you're not using the svideo/composite input? I'm slightly puzzled

[07:09:51]

mchou:

levander: anyways, I think you're wrong. Gentoo is your counterexample.

[07:10:24]

justinh:

heh not _all_ linux distros have gone down the super-easy friendly route, and fair play to them

[07:10:28]

mchou:

levander: make world aint easy but there are plenty of gentoo lusers too :)

[07:10:56]

mchou:

ease and idiocy arent mutually exclusive

[07:10:57]

stiev3:

everyone starts off as a newbie. It's inevitable as the questions and answers get archived in all their forms, it's going to always trend towards easier. No sense in elitism.

[07:11:02]

Chicago:

justinh: I want to use "v4l2-ctl --device=/dev/v4l/video0 -f=$1 -c saturation=111,brightness=160,contrast=70,volume=65535,bass=65535,treble=65535&q uot; in my external script after the #!/bin/sh line... I have two of these such scripts... one for each input, the only difference is that one calls video0 and the other calls video1

[07:11:35]

Chicago:

justinh: The external channel change script is the only way to properly pass the brightness, contrast and saturation parameters to my encoder following a channel change event.

[07:11:59]

justinh:

Chicago: can mythtv not do that by itself if you spend some time setting those values (well most of em) in the channel table?

[07:12:04]

levander:

justinh: Ease of use in Linux is going to kill Freenode. Why do you think there are no good Windows support forums?

[07:12:13]

Chicago:

justinh: Those settings do not affect my encoder.

[07:12:21]

justinh:

levander: turning everybody into users.. hahahaha

[07:12:27]

justinh:

Chicago: fair enough

[07:12:36]

mchou:

Chicago: what encoder is this?

[07:12:50]

Chicago:

justinh: I think they're possibly for another type of encoder or maybe even a decoder... cause my values are in the range of 0–255 or there abouts... and those in the channel table are in the 65536 scope.

[07:12:51]

levander:

mchou: You think there are as many Gentoo users as Ubuntu? Go hang out in #ubuntu and see.

[07:12:55]

Chicago:

mchou: pvr-150

[07:13:19]

mchou:

Chicago: wow, the defaults dont work for ya?

[07:13:35]

justinh:

Chicago: mythtv should damn well work fine with a pvr-150

[07:13:56]

mchou:

Chicago: just set the values in your channel table

[07:14:00]

Chicago:

mchou: nope, I'm too picky. I can get the black and white levels much closer to "very nice" with settings other than the "63" for contrast and "128" for brightness which get set by default after a mythtv channel change.

[07:14:08]

mchou:

it should be permanent

[07:14:13]

justinh:

I wouldn't let the difference in the range of values put you off

[07:14:42]

mchou:

Chicago: I'm serious

[07:14:44]

Chicago:

The kernel I'm using is the 2.6.22 kernel with the new IVTV 1.02 driver... so they need the v4l2-ctl to change things as far as I've discovered.

[07:14:55]

mchou:

Chicago: huh??

[07:14:57]

justinh:

you prolly just need to do some simple sums to turn your values into mythtv values

[07:15:04]

justinh:

Chicago: it should work fine

[07:15:19]

mchou:

Chicago: just populate those values in your channel table

[07:15:29]

justinh:

Chicago: you can change bright/contrast etc (not bass/treble I admit) with the channel editor in livetv IIRC

[07:15:45]

Chicago:

justinh: Those in livetv are for the decoded video.

[07:15:59]

Chicago:

justinh: The v4l2-ctl settings are for the encoders adjustments.

[07:16:05]

justinh:

not the ones in the channel editor

[07:16:17]

mchou:

Chicago: I suspect this is an issue for your diplay device rather than the encoder

[07:16:20]

justinh:

the settings which get stored inthe channel table are for the encoder

[07:16:39]

mchou:

display*

[07:17:00]

Chicago:

mchou: Well, as a test in the channel editor through mythweb I applied a new number to the brightness value... I changed it to 0 and then changed a channel.

[07:17:09]

Chicago:

Nothing happened.

[07:17:22]

mchou:

Chicago: no, not channel editor. Channel TABLE

[07:17:36]

mchou:

not the same thing at all

[07:17:40]

Chicago:

oh

[07:17:41]

Chicago:

ah

[07:17:54]

justinh:

yes the same thing. the channel editor affects stuff in the channel table

[07:19:03]

mchou:

much easier to change the table wholesale than the channel editor

[07:19:34]

justinh:

true, but trying it on one channel first is more accessible than mysql-fu

[07:19:58]

justinh:

anyway time I wasn't here..

[07:20:06]

mchou:

and if you're using pvr150 tuner why do you need an external channel changer?

[07:21:05]

Anduin:

mchou: It was only a way to call v4l2-ctl on each channel change

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Chicago:

Anduin: I'm having trouble using $1 in my external script.

[07:24:55]

Chicago:

I don't know what I'm doing.

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mchou:

Chicago: heh, taht much was clear

[07:25:41]

Chicago:

from the command line when I set the frequency manually for exmpale like "v4l2-ctl --device=/dev/v4l/video1 -f 277.25"

[07:26:10]

Chicago:

I'm trying to substitute and use "v4l2-ctl --device=/dev/v4l/video1 -f $1" in my script instead... but the $1 isn't working right.

[07:26:10]

mchou:

Chicago: trust me on this one

[07:26:30]

mchou:

you'd be much better off using the myth internal channel changer

[07:27:12]

mchou:

and you can verify that the bightnrdd etc works aafter channel change by using ivtvctl or whatever it's called now

[07:27:25]

mchou:

brightness*

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** Anduin scrolls back up to see exactly which settings **

[07:28:15]

Chicago:

I guess in addition to v4l2-ctl there is also ivtv-tune.

[07:29:42]

Anduin:

Chicago: $1 will be something like 60 (for 467.25 or whatever the freq is for us-cable), something like ivtv-tune would know how to convert

[07:30:31]

Anduin:

Chicago: and if you didn't need to set the audio stuff it would be pointless to do any of this

[07:31:07]

Anduin:

Chicago: Do you actually need a different volume for another card?

[07:33:28]

Chicago:

Anduin: I'm using those settings to get a better frequency response out of my speakers hopefully.

[07:34:15]

Chicago:

Rather than using ALSA on the frontend to adjust the bass/treble. . . I wanted to set it on the encoder... there doesn't seem to be any compression necessary and there is no distortion when the maximum values are set for volume, bass and treble on the encoder.

[07:35:24]

Anduin:

Chicago: Sure, but if your volume is the same for all cards, you can take that one out and use the myth one (mythtv-setup can set it). Your other two settings could just be set when you boot (probably, worth trying)

[07:35:53]

Chicago:

Anduin: In mythtv setup, the max I can set is 90 and then there is distortion. . .

[07:37:43]

Anduin:

Chicago: Yeah, your 65535 should be no better

[07:37:55]

Chicago:

Anduin: I was suprised to discover otherwise.

[07:39:09]

Anduin:

Chicago: It calls the same ioctl, with a value scaled to the same range

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flak:

so i'm watching my backend log while it's transcoding a stream for me

[07:56:21]

flak:

first it was doing a bunch of stuff like "2007-11–30 23:50:34.025 Converting frame #13 from B to I"

[07:56:38]

flak:

and it created a sizeable tmp file

[07:57:03]

flak:

now i got some stuff like "2007-11–30 23:50:51.095 Stream #0.0[0x1e0]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 1280x720, 25000 kb/s, 59.94 fps(r)"

[07:57:09]

flak:

anyone know what it's up to?

[07:58:04]

flak:

not seeing any activity at all in my recordings directory

[07:58:41]

justinh:

oh ffs. this motherboard is passworded

[08:00:11]

justinh:

not anymore it ain't :)

[08:01:36]

flak:

so nobody knows what it's doing?

[08:02:03]

justinh:

looks like it's working to me

[08:02:18]

flak:

yeah, i was just curious what was actually going on

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justinh:

aand that's my dhcp server updated for the new mac id..

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justinh:

mornin Dibblah. finally got my CPU. installing ubunuts on the new setup now

[08:12:37]

Dibblah:

Woo hoo :)

[08:13:12]

Dibblah:

To get vblank timing (opengl) working you do need to patch the intel driver.

[08:13:23]

justinh:

mmm nice

[08:13:42]

anykey_:

Does anyone know where to get a 2x16 char display without shipping from the US to Europe?

[08:13:43]

justinh:

or what.. tearing-mongous video playback?

[08:14:31]

justinh:

anykey_: depends how much you want to pay

[08:15:08]

justinh:

noritake-itron sell some nice blue VFDs which'll work with LCDproc and they have distributors all over

[08:15:26]

anykey_:

justinh: well, the displays from crystalfontz are 55$, that would be perfect for my use, but they want 30$ for shipping

[08:15:41]

justinh:

jees on a stick

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justinh:

I think I really should buy another USB mouse soon

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[08:19:30]

Dibblah:

justinh: http://www.pastebin.ca/803489

[08:19:45]

Dibblah:

That's assuming you're using the internal video card.

[08:20:15]

Dibblah:

(Clone from the above git repository, then apply the patch that follows)

[08:20:24]

justinh:

righto cheers

[08:20:46]

Dibblah:

Or do similar with the released version. Up to you :)

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justinh:

hrm. my dhcp server is giving out a nameserver ip of my backend which it should but.. not resolving any names. wonder if the dns cache thingy has stopped

[08:22:09]

Dibblah:

I've had that a couple of times. Named just died.

[08:22:14]

Dibblah:

No idea why.

[08:22:53]

justinh:

ah I restarted dhcp without restarting dnsmasq

[08:23:04]

justinh:

no that's not it

[08:23:05]

Dibblah:

But now I use a router with openwrt + dnsmasq.

[08:23:30]

Dibblah:

Not resolving any names, or not resolving specific names?

[08:24:09]

justinh:

not resolving any names

[08:24:26]

Dibblah:

Funky. Time for the Microsoft solution.

[08:24:27]

justinh:

I think I'll just have the dhcp server hand out the usual suspects instead

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[08:25:14]

Dibblah:

You hacked a heatsink to fit, then?

[08:25:24]

justinh:

just perched a zalman flower on there for now

[08:27:14]

Dibblah:

Majorly annoying – I used a 2-pin-plugged PSU.

[08:27:33]

Dibblah:

And stupidly hotplugged a monitor.

[08:27:42]

justinh:

bzzzt

[08:28:04]

Dibblah:

Shockingly enough, 25+v to the digital output... Didn't do it too much good.

[08:28:37]

Dibblah:

And it appears that the board _does not_ do add2 cards.

[08:29:16]

Dibblah:

So you can't just stick an additional DVI port on it. Which is a major shame.

[08:29:57]

Dibblah:

Oh, and redoing the SATA port isn't as easy as it sounds :(

[08:30:29]

justinh:

it is when you have the right gear

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[08:30:43]

Dibblah:

3 of the pins + the attachment pins at the end are grounded.

[08:30:53]

justinh:

aye

[08:30:55]

Dibblah:

... And the ground planes are in the center of the board.

[08:31:02]

justinh:

aye :D

[08:31:06]

justinh:

and the problem is?

[08:31:19]

justinh:

ah yes, your mere mortal soldering gear couldn't cope

[08:31:26]

Dibblah:

No way to get enough heat in without IR reflow gear :(

[08:31:43]

pretender:

my mythweb has the wrong time by 30 minutes how can i change it

[08:31:53]

justinh:

a common or garden hairdryer used very carefully can work wonders there Dibblah ;)

[08:32:11]

Dibblah:

You have industrial hairdriers?

[08:32:20]

Dibblah:

Paintstripper, maybe,,,

[08:32:23]

Dibblah:

:)

[08:32:40]

justinh:

I've used a paintstripper in the past. gotta be careful though!

[08:32:47]

Dibblah:

Indeed.

[08:32:58]

justinh:

pretender: 30 minutes? weird

[08:33:11]

Dibblah:

BTW, ##electronics is also on this IRC network ;)

[08:33:27]

Dibblah:

And is full of a very eclectic collection.

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[08:34:49]

pretender:

sorry 1 hour how can i fix this

[08:35:33]

justinh:

pretender: probably something wrong with the machine's timezone setup, or an apache config issue

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[08:39:22]

justinh:

sudo apt-get install subversion

[08:39:26]

justinh:

arse wrong window

[08:40:18]

justinh:

Dibblah: is gl vsync absolutely necessary? don't wanna start messing with it if I can live without for a bit

[08:40:29]

Dibblah:

Do you need bob?

[08:40:47]

justinh:

probably

[08:40:48]

Dibblah:

If not, then no.

[08:41:18]

Dibblah:

Without it, bob is going to be nasty. So are the other 4 'nice' deinterlacers that are in Trac.

[08:41:29]

Dibblah:

Try it. See how it works for you.

[08:41:34]

justinh:

I'm not gonna be running trunk

[08:41:41]

Dibblah:

All depends on your specific requirements :)

[08:41:50]

justinh:

not gonna be running 0.20.2 initially either

[08:42:21]

justinh:

time to check out 14206

[08:42:43]

Dibblah:

Uhm... Okay.

[08:43:13]

Dibblah:

Personally, I'd pick just before the latest round of UPnP changes.

[08:43:44]

justinh:

that'd be nice, but until this is 100% bona fide worky, I can't dump 0.20-fixes

[08:43:54]

justinh:

as in 0.20-fixes not 0.20.2

[08:45:33]

justinh:

see if I update my backend to a newer version and this board proves not to be the great white hope I've put it on a pedestal as.. erm.. minimyth wont be able to play back any bbc recordings – which kinda screws the point of mythtv for me

[08:46:36]

Dibblah:

BBC HD?

[08:46:45]

justinh:

no I mean BBC SD

[08:47:00]

Dibblah:

I believe it should be able to do that.

[08:47:03]

justinh:

my epia can't play BBC recordings on versions higher than 0.20–19 of minimyth

[08:47:07]

Dibblah:

Easily enough.

[08:47:23]

Dibblah:

That's Odd.

[08:47:33]

Dibblah:

And I did mean that capital O.

[08:47:38]

justinh:

so if this proves to be shite for me (i.e. tv out not worky or something) and I update my backend, I'm _stuffed_

[08:47:49]

Dibblah:

Agreed.

[08:48:39]

justinh:

right. started compiling mythtv at 08:47

[08:48:49]

Dibblah:

-j3?

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Dibblah:

Two CPUs, remember ;)

[08:49:14]

justinh:

hahaha

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justinh:

hmm this fanless heatsink is slightly warm now

[08:52:30]

justinh:

not too hot to hold though

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Dibblah:

Ah... Good to see the quality of tickets is staying high. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4163

[08:57:22]

Dibblah:

No idea why Daniel didn't close it as the dup it is.

[08:59:30]

justinh:

oof! 88'C on one CPU. that's not nice

[08:59:48]

Dibblah:

Heatsink properly mounted?

[08:59:59]

justinh:

nah. cobbled

[09:00:02]

Dibblah:

You need quite a bit of contact pressure.

[09:00:36]

Dibblah:

Still talking about 15w / cm^2...

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justinh:

better. 58'C with a shim on a normal p4 hsf

[09:04:13]

justinh:

arghhh 61

[09:04:22]

Dibblah:

Full load?

[09:04:33]

justinh:

aye

[09:04:41]

Dibblah:

... Measuring with?

[09:04:44]

justinh:

well with make -j3 running

[09:04:47]

justinh:

lmsensors

[09:05:05]

Dibblah:

Do you have coretemp module loaded?

[09:05:12]

justinh:

er...

[09:05:24]

justinh:

not found

[09:05:37]

Dibblah:

May be included in the base kernel.

[09:05:51]

justinh:

only getting the temp for one core though

[09:06:03]

justinh:

it's ok for a guide. can't smell heat now

[09:06:24]

justinh:

ffs! compiling finished!

[09:06:30]

justinh:

love it

[09:06:43]

justinh:

time to tesco. back in a bit

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Dibblah:

cat /sys/devices/platform/w83627hf.656/in[123]_input

[09:13:09]

Dibblah:

Check that lm_sensors isn't doing something funky with the temp. readings.

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Dibblah:

cat /sys/devices/platform/coretemp.[01]/temp1_input

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directhex:

anykey_, kustompcs.co.uk

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seppl2:

Hi. I have the problem that I get <"L_s" no lock > on the OSD. when I start <xine dvb://>, kill it and then start mythbackend everything works fine. I use 0.20.2 and DVB-S. anybody any clues? I didn't find anything in the maillist archive

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anykey_:

directhex: thanks

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directhex:

seppl2, screwed up diseqc config?

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seppl2:

directhex: Nope. only LNB in there

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levander:

Where's that database of hardware/myth performance someone set up?

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directhex:

seppl2, and you told myth that detail?

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seppl2:

directhex: Yes. just checked it. otherwise it wount any anyway.

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seppl2:

directhex: I allready cleared the DB and started from nothing. Same problem.

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Saviq:

hi guys, can you tell me – is watching livetv taken into account as max-jobs is regarded?

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levander:

Is X-Video still helpful even if you don't want to run XvMC?

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directhex:

Xv? yes. yes it is

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directhex:

Xv means absolute basic features like color conversion & scaling can be done on the graphics card. without it, your app needs to render bitmap after bitmap to send to the graphics out – it increases cpu use phenomenally and decreases image quality

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levander:

Is pastebin.ca down? It seems a lot of sites I'm trying to access tonight aren't coming back to me.

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levander:

Is pastebin.ca down for everyone?

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directhex:

it's down.

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levander:

directhex: When you say XVideo does scaling, I'm guessing that's something that would definitely be something that's used for PiP?

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levander:

pvrhw.goldfish.org and the Ars Technica forums are down too, wierd.

[10:50:56]

levander:

Well, the Ars forums are back up anyway.

[10:51:09]

levander:

What's another pastebin?

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Dibblah:

Okay. This is annoying. I have 16 drives detected.

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Dibblah:

I should have 17.

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Dibblah:

:(

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directhex:

have a read of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_video_extension

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directhex:

Dibblah, 17 drives :o

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levander:

Dibblah: Time to start counting agin!

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Dibblah:

1 bunch of 9, one bunch of 8.

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levander:

directhex: Dibblah keeps lotsa lotsa porn, he's gotta have so many drives...

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Dibblah:

Exactly.

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Dibblah:

And Corrie.

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directhex:

porn is fine, but corrie? you sick filth :|

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Dibblah:

The Corrie needs RAID, of course.

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Dibblah:

Since I can live without porn.

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Dibblah:

But without Corrie, I would be killed.

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levander:

directhex: Any idea if Myth would use XVideo to make that little tiny box for the PiP?

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Dibblah:

Okay. Time to do the old pen-in-the-ear trick.

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levander:

directhex: And, I'm guessing this in my mythfrontend.log means XVideo isn't working for me: http://pastebin.com/m74052d5e

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levander:

I forgot a line: http://pastebin.com/m6b89144

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directhex:

off to the shops!

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levander:

directhex: You're doing Christmas shopping?

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Dibblah:

Woo hoo!

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Dibblah:

echo /dev/sd[a-z] |xargs -n 1 fdisk -l |grep 00 |wc 17

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levander:

Putting the pen behind your ear must have made something work.

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Dibblah:

Nah. Cheap SATA cables.

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Dibblah:

Don't lock properly.

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justinh:

Dibblah: can't cat that cat /sys/devices/platform/coretemp.[01]/temp1_input stuff – no such file whatever

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Dibblah:

Coretemp module isn't there, then.

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mzb_d800:

any #mythtv listeners got some advice for my dvd question?

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mzb_d800:

(sorry if that's classed as cross-posting;)

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opello:

there was a dvd question?

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mzb_d800:

opello: are you in #mythtv ?

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opello:

ah no

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mzb_d800:

and are you familiar with dvdauthor programming?

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mzb_d800:

sorry ... felt I had to ask in here just in case

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opello:

ah, no – sorry

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opello:

but a 'dvd question' is pretty open ended :)

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mzb_d800:

(I typed about 20 lines so not possible to paste here)

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mzb_d800:

opello: yes, fair enough

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mzb_d800:

totally the wrong place ...

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mzb_d800:

just hoped that there might be someone here rather than #mythtv that had a clue ;)

[12:02:24]

mzb_d800:

(about dvd-authoring ... in DETAIL;)

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mzb_d800:

issue involves using extra registers and|or bitwise logic ... and the necessary choices to make in mythburn.py if either|both are used

[12:04:11]

mzb_d800:

ie. all about the ability to create random-play music videos from mytharchive

[12:04:30]

mzb_d800:

makes sense?

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opello:

bitwise logic would be easy enough, but dvd registers?

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opello:

i don't know much about the format i guess :)

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justinh:

mzb_d800: if it involves invoking (or not) bits, then the best way would either be: 1. a special theme or 2. changes to the mytharchive code itself I'd guess

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mzb_d800:

justinh: I already have a working function

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justinh:

so are you wondering what to do about a GUI tickbox or whatever?

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mzb_d800:

it comes down to HOW random it should be (a dvd player is not that good at generating random numbers)

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mzb_d800:

no ... not interested in tickboxes at this point

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justinh:

so what's the question then?

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mzb_d800:

atm, the issue is more to do with the lack of "real" randomness that a dvd-player affords

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mzb_d800:

there are a few techniques (or combination of) that I can use to compensate

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justinh:

sure

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justinh:

mzb_d800: as you were originally told I think you're best off getting in touch with paulh and maybe finding out whose baby mythburn was in the first place would help too

[12:10:03]

mzb_d800:

they involve the possibility of combining bitwise logic (pseudo shuffle toggle), post-play queue, and enabling "extra registers" which gives more possibility for both methods, but *could* limit future possibilities

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mzb_d800:

justinh: yep .. point taken

[12:10:27]

mzb_d800:

thanks

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justinh:

tbh I think most people will be content with 'vanilla' discs that 'just play & stuff' ;)

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

fair enough ... if I get no interest I won't share

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mzb_d800:

suits my purpose ... hence my writing it (and it works)

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mzb_d800:

but, as you say, this is the wrong place to ask for an opinion, so I won't be including yours in my survey ;P

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justinh:

mzb_d800: I was speaking more in terms of – if the stuff you want to do is possibly going to limit extravagant features in future, I don't think it's likely to impact much

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justinh:

I didn't get time to finish what I was saying because of the smoke alarm going off here :)

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mzb_d800:

heh

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mzb_d800:

ok

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justinh:

unless of course there's a chance it might impact on existing functionality, then yes I'd have concerns but that isn't the case.. or rather you said

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justinh:

in other words – go fer it :)

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mzb_d800:

so you would say that if I'm "adding" extra features, without taking away future possibilities, that I'm on the right track, regardless of whether YOU want that feature?

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justinh:

yes

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mzb_d800:

thanks

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mzb_d800:

I appreciate your opinion

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justinh:

even if it does take away some future possibilities I personally don't think it's all that likely it'll impact the majority of users seeing that they already have the functionality they want, and let's face it – a lot of fancy dvd authoring features seldom get used even in commercial products

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mzb_d800:

true

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justinh:

tie it in with file splitting and you'll have yourself a satisfied customer (me) :D

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

that's next on the list

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justinh:

right now to find out wth is up with lmsensors only reading one core temp

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mzb_d800:

I want to do an "A->B" cut function ... unless you've got a better idea

[12:57:57]

mzb_d800:

(I need both functions)

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mzb_d800:

so I *WILL* do them if nobody else will (beta version of the first, so I'm almost half way there;)

[12:58:40]

justinh:

I haven't given it that much thought lately tbh. I'd originally considered making it possible to put a 'track' marker in there, then split the original file into parts sequentially numbered

[12:59:08]

DustyBin:

is xorg a bit like mythtv, does it have a server side and a client side?

[12:59:10]

mzb_d800:

but suggestions about "usability" of an "a->b" cut function might help

[12:59:12]

justinh:

I wouldn't be too concerned with it being frame accurate either, but that would just be to make life easier

[12:59:30]

mzb_d800:

(especially from someone who develops THEMES!!! ... hint hint)

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directhex:

DustyBin, yes. xorg is a server, things like mythfrontend are clients

[13:00:09]

DustyBin:

what is the xorg client?

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directhex:

DustyBin, gui apps are "x11 clients".

[13:00:19]

DustyBin:

i see

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DustyBin:

gnome is a x client?

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directhex:

DustyBin, xlogo, firefox, quake4, they're all x clients

[13:00:46]

justinh:

mzb_d800: come to think about it, you could more or less just use the existing cutlist – it's not much of a change to the use case to say 'copy those bits out to new files' – or so I'd have thought

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directhex:

gnome is a desktop suite. metacity or compiz are window managers, which facilitate handling of x clients

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DustyBin:

so that means i could run a x server on my main home server, and get all my desktops to connect to that?

[13:01:09]

directhex:

DustyBin, absolutely

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directhex:

DustyBin, ssh -X somehost

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DustyBin:

interesting..!

[13:01:27]

directhex:

well, the reverse of that really

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directhex:

but X is designed to distribute

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** justinh smacks autocomplete **

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DustyBin:

why does everyone bother installing xservers on there desktops, only 1 is needed in your house

[13:01:59]

directhex:

DustyBin, because of network latency, and missing local-only extensions like glx or xv

[13:02:07]

justinh:

DustyBin: because local is usually way more convenient, faster.. yada yada ;)

[13:02:22]

DustyBin:

on a 100 base home network, speed shouldnt be a issue?

[13:02:33]

directhex:

DustyBin, on a 100base network, you're fucked

[13:02:33]

justinh:

remotes are ok for menial stuff like web browsing & cack

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directhex:

even on gigabit, some things are helluva slow

[13:02:41]

justinh:

freenx ;)

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mzb_d800:

justinh: that's what I was saying to you yesterday ... "A" and "B" cut-points in edit mode ... and then an additional menu entry that does "Save A->B to file"

[13:02:54]

DustyBin:

would mythfrontend suffer when running with a remote xserver?

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justinh:

mzb_d800: sounds like we agree on something then

[13:03:04]

directhex:

DustyBin, absolutely impossible

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directhex:

DustyBin, lack of xv alone will kill it

[13:03:19]

DustyBin:

eek

[13:03:23]

mzb_d800:

justinh: I'd agree with that ;)

[13:03:32]

directhex:

DustyBin, a single frame of video at 1600x1200x32bit color is 7.7 megabytes

[13:03:33]

justinh:

vnc is alright for local networks. I use it all the time even when developing themes

[13:03:34]

DustyBin:

i think the idea of having 1 xserver running in my house is out of limits..

[13:03:51]

justinh:

DustyBin: I log in home from work all the time with ssh, freenx over ssh & vnc

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mzb_d800:

so that sounds like a feasible and usable idea? (and would be easily integrated with *all* themes?)

[13:04:08]

DustyBin:

aye its ok for certain stuff but not for mythfrontend

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directhex:

DustyBin, uncompressed, PAL dvd video would need 2.5gbit/sec

[13:04:26]

DustyBin:

jeeze

[13:04:32]

justinh:

mzb_d800: yes – since the only changes are really to the code behind it. there's a perfectly good front end already ;)

[13:04:44]

mzb_d800:

ok

[13:05:32]

justinh:

the only gotcha I can possibly think of right now is that some people will want the cutpoints to have a new kind of marker but even that shouldn't be too hard

[13:05:35]

mzb_d800:

once I'm happy with my "useless" ( ;)) ) random function, I'll set my targets on an A->B function

[13:05:54]

justinh:

mzb_d800: I can't see many objecting on principle though

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mzb_d800:

that's what I mean, though

[13:06:03]

mzb_d800:

different markers

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directhex:

DustyBin, whoops, my mistake, only 316mbit/sec

[13:06:13]

mzb_d800:

("A" and "B")

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directhex:

it seemed a touch high

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DustyBin:

my network runs about 700mbit/sec

[13:06:44]

DustyBin:

but still..

[13:06:56]

DustyBin:

doesnt seem very logical to do something like that

[13:06:57]

directhex:

DustyBin, not to mention the absolute castration of your cpu to do all the Xv work in software

[13:06:57]

mzb_d800:

(for want of better terms ... but I reckon they'd be understandable terms by most)

[13:07:07]

DustyBin:

aye

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directhex:

DustyBin, 1.5gbit for 1080p HD

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justinh:

mzb_d800: or 'in and out' ;) get bogged down in semantics later ;)

[13:07:45]

DustyBin:

jeeze

[13:07:55]

mzb_d800:

yep

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mzb_d800:

hence "A" and "B" ;)) ... simple ... and used by a number of old CD player repeat modes (iirc)

[13:08:28]

justinh:

hrm. can't seem to find much about lmsensors on i945

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mzb_d800:

(on Sony gear at least)

[13:08:49]

justinh:

I _think_ it's reporting sensible temps for one core at least..

[13:08:52]

directhex:

justinh, lmsensors is per-mobo. depends on what the integrator is using as a sensor coprocessor

[13:09:12]

justinh:

mzb_d800: my technics has it too – and seamless :P

[13:09:28]

justinh:

directhex: I know.. just a matter of finding out what config to use innit

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justinh:

compiling myth & the plugins only took the core temp to about 60 deg C so it sounds about right.. and it didn't crash or smell

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mzb_d800:

justinh: ok ... I'll work on A->B cutting next ... you "gui monkeys" (?) ;)) can work out the rest, right? ;))

[13:12:35]

justinh:

something like that

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mzb_d800:

not sure I got the right name there ...

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mzb_d800:

;)

[13:12:57]

mzb_d800:

hmm

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mzb_d800:

ok

[13:13:21]

justinh:

you can probably just use the existing edit stuff.. all I did when I added the progress indicator for mythmusic was borrow some code from the disk-full indicator

[13:13:36]

CZi_:

anyone knows how to fix PVR 1300 with picture, but no audio??

[13:13:40]

mzb_d800:

so does that mean if you get your mac mini, and I right the A->B function I get a hard drive ? ;) lol

[13:14:05]

mzb_d800:

I've already got some ideas about how to do it

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justinh:

mzb_d800: got my hands full with new core2 duo mobile frontend right now anyway so the mini would be left alone til it's done

[13:14:45]

mzb_d800:

I guess it will be more complicated when I get into it ... but I'm hoping the idea is simple enough to implement without too much trouble

[13:15:02]

mzb_d800:

(as long as I don't have to worry too much about gui issues)

[13:15:46]

mzb_d800:

s/I right the A/I write the A/

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justinh:

compared to the copyout stuff I think the gui would be a breeze

[13:16:31]

mzb_d800:

it seems like a simple enough theory

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Dibblah:

justinh: You need w83627hf

[13:16:54]

Dibblah:

It's ISA, so no interface dependencies.

[13:17:16]

justinh:

Dibblah: I already have that

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mzb_d800:

the idea of adding videos|recordings together (as you mentioned previously) is the one that worries me

[13:17:32]

mzb_d800:

(step 3? ;) )

[13:17:54]

justinh:

fwiw I'd just save the copies out to the default mythvideo dir

[13:18:03]

justinh:

for now at least

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mzb_d800:

simple as possible to start with

[13:18:23]

justinh:

the mythvideo integration isn't concrete & would be quite a long way off anyway

[13:18:33]

mzb_d800:

let the real programmers take care of the rest ;)

[13:18:41]

justinh:

the mythui port needs to be completed first

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mzb_d800:

(ie. not me;)

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mzb_d800:

all the more reason for me to functionalise the desired result and wait for the rest to be done by someone else ;)

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DustyBin:

what is the name of your monitor/tft device in /dev ?

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justinh:

heh if lmsensors isnt telling lies, cpu temp is almost room temp at idle. wow

[13:26:08]

justinh:

and er.. just played a video on my bro in law's ipoo nano. omfg I want one. well er.. not really but it's nice

[13:29:41]

justinh:

Dibblah: just enabled bob2x – looks fine to me

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Dibblah:

:)

[13:30:22]

justinh:

ah bbc news24 ticker is jumping a bit

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Dibblah:

The sensor is lying.

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Dibblah:

It's close – But it's not that good.

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Dibblah:

From measuring it, there's about a 4 degree differential between the reading and reality.

[13:31:12]

justinh:

Dibblah: that's not too bad

[13:32:30]

justinh:

bleugh. kernel deint sucks

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justinh:

looks like I'll be doing the xorg driver patch then

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justinh:

time to try some tvout action first though

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** xand wonders if he should get himself angry again by trying to install xebian and mythtv on his xbox **

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justinh:

well well well. .hello mono svideo output

[13:48:13]

justinh:

" Option "TVStandard" is not used".. bah

[13:56:10]

levander:

Do these error messages mean I'm not getting XVideo? http://pastebin.com/m6b89144

[13:57:56]

levander:

When I google on that error message, I just get where everybody has copy and pasted their entire log files for kdetv/mythtv into some forum somewhere.

[13:58:14]

justinh:

levander: those messages don't mean much really

[13:58:23]

justinh:

needs to be more erm.. context

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levander:

You want more of the mythfrontend.log in the pastebin?

[13:59:34]

levander:

Is that what you mean by context?

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levander:

And, no jokes about putting it into the pastebin and not into the channel...

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justinh:

more log output == better context,yes

[14:00:46]

magius_pendragon:

anyone else have really strange behaviour when switching between mythtv and mplayer? Not using mplayer for tv, but whenever I try and switch between the two, the other goes compleatly unwatchable

[14:01:06]

levander:

I'd go up from the bottom to read it: http://pastebin.com/m33acfd05

[14:01:27]

levander:

I'm trying to figure out why I'm getting those prebuffering pauses, and was hoping the problem was that XVideo wasn't loading.

[14:03:23]

magius_pendragon:

screenshot of myth available if needed.. mplayer does the same thing when i have myth working

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levander:

magius_pendragon: You mean when you switch back to "the other" you still can't see anything?

[14:04:38]

Daluv:

Hi, my channel listing is off by one. I have looked at the cannel lineup inschedulesdirect and everythign is fine. any other ideas?

[14:05:21]

Daluv:

They are off by one in the table channel in mythconverg as expected...

[14:07:23]

levander:

Daluv: Have you tried running mythfilldatabase again with the --do-channel-updates option?

[14:07:36]

levander:

Daluv: Run it again to see if it corrects the problem.

[14:07:54]

levander:

Daluv: Or, just re-go through whatever setup process you went through last time.

[14:08:16]

Daluv:

yeah i just found that option.

[14:10:07]

magius_pendragon:

levander: so for instance, right now mplayer is playing videos just fine, but when i go into myth, all i get is lines, and audio. video is compleatly unwatchabe. If I could get VT switching to work correctly (or since its now broken, restart X), then it'll work fine but next time i try mplayer it'll do the same thing

[14:10:50]

magius_pendragon:

scratch that... they're both acting up

[14:11:02]

levander:

magius_pendragon: You don't want to be able to watch myth and mplayer at the same time do you? You just want to be able to switch back and forth, right?

[14:11:10]

magius_pendragon:

levander: yes

[14:11:23]

levander:

magius_pendragon: Are you using xvmc for myth?

[14:11:31]

magius_pendragon:

dunno?

[14:11:45]

levander:

well then probably not

[14:11:50]

magius_pendragon:

*nods*

[14:12:27]

magius_pendragon:

I do stand corrected though, they're both messed up now, but if i switch the vo for mplayer, it works but myth can't do that :(

[14:12:31]

levander:

magius_pendragon: This is a pretty generic guess, but it sounds like mplayer and myth are putting X into "incompatible video modes" with each other...

[14:12:33]

magius_pendragon:

or at least i don't know how

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levander:

vo is what?

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magius_pendragon:

video out

[14:13:34]

levander:

magius_pendragon: You're over my head. Is there an #mplayer channel on freenode you could try?

[14:13:57]

levander:

magius_pendragon: I vaguely remember being in there, and there were a bunch of low level video freaks.

[14:13:59]

magius_pendragon:

possibly, i don't know if its mytht mplayer or nvidia :(

[14:14:12]

levander:

or, maybe it's mplayer?

[14:14:27]

levander:

magius_pendragon: I don't know that you've necessarily hit a bug.

[14:14:43]

levander:

magius_pendragon: My vague guess is that mplayer is setting a state in X that myth can't deal with.

[14:15:10]

levander:

And, that state is most like a "video mode" – but, I'm guessing from 10 feet above, since I know nothing about video modes.

[14:15:53]

Daluv:

levander: --do-channel-updates is worse.. I will try to redo everything...

[14:18:21]

levander:

Daluv: That's kind of what I figured --do-channel-updates would do, redo everything, but maybe you know more about mythfilldatabase than I, i've only been using it a couple of weeks now.

[14:19:49]

justinh:

argghh the ubuntu forums are no damn use at all

[14:23:22]

justinh:

running man i810 doesn't seem to show anything out the TV output options, and I'm damned if I can find it on the intel linux drivers site

[14:25:17]

levander:

justinh: Someone was telling me you had to set the TV output mode in the BIOS for some of the Intel graphics.

[14:25:51]

levander:

I don't remember if the i810 was one of them or not.

[14:27:14]

justinh:

funny but none of these howtos is saying that

[14:28:56]

justinh:

I get tvout, just not PAL

[14:29:49]

justinh:

rofl.. "You may want to try plugging the SVideo into a TV and rebooting linux. It might realize that the card is plugged into TV Out and may enable something."

[14:29:57]

justinh:

on which planet?!

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mzb_d800:

heh

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mzb_d800:

so sad when these things default to NTSC ... such a fecked standard, an OBVIOUSLY designed to cater for a CERTAIN market (who shall remain nameless)

[14:32:45]

mzb_d800:

s/fecked/f0rk3d/

[14:33:19]

mzb_d800:

no jumper on board?

[14:33:46]

levander:

What the hell happened to the hardware database on goldfish.org? http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-view_pvrent.ph . . . MythTV%20PVR

[14:35:37]

justinh:

no jumper, no bios settings

[14:36:00]

justinh:

something's telling me this is 'special'

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mzb_d800:

tried cold boot with everything connected?

[14:36:23]

mzb_d800:

special as in "challenged" ? ;)

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justinh:

aye

[14:36:49]

justinh:

or maybe it's just something simple

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justinh:

still get "Option "TVStandard" is not used" starting X

[14:36:59]

mzb_d800:

turn that little voice off and reset ;P

[14:37:08]

mzb_d800:

err

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levander:

justinh: You've looked at the mobo doc.'s to see what video modes the onboard graphics supports? That was my trouble last time I couldn't get the TV out that I wanted working.

[14:37:12]

mzb_d800:

hang on

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justinh:

if http://intellinuxgraphics.org/man.html fecking mentioned it I'd have it fixed already no doubt

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levander:

It turned out the video card I was using was just labelled incorrectly.

[14:38:30]

mzb_d800:

TVStandard is an nv option ... are you sure it applies for i810?

[14:38:45]

levander:

It didn't support the modes that the doc.'s said it supported. Not because the card that it was labelled as didn't, but because the physical card that was mislabelled which I had in my hands didn't.

[14:38:47]

justinh:

mzb_d800: just following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3611 . . . dual+monitor

[14:39:04]

levander:

mzb_d800: Does the open source nv driver support tvout?

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mzb_d800:

only certain models, iirc ... or maybe I'm thinking of nvtv

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justinh:

nvtv is for nv devices

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mzb_d800:

(gf4 is a safe bet either way on that note)

[14:40:16]

justinh:

well, going out & buying a pci-e fx card is an option but I'd rather not if I can help it

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mzb_d800:

justinh: just answering levander's q

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mzb_d800:

I have a machine with i810 (no tv out), but ended up slapping in a mx420 for about au$16 to reduce stress levels ;) (and get tv out)

[14:43:33]

levander:

justinh: I wouldn't be surprised if the video card just didn't support PAL.

[14:43:47]

mzb_d800:

justinh: iirc, there are both i810 and intel drivers for the same cards

[14:44:04]

levander:

Those intel graphics are pretty slim downed.

[14:44:14]

mzb_d800:

I don't recall which is the "newest preferred" option

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... 48 inches

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mzb_d800:

*drool*

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mzb_d800:

I've realised that it probably won't fit in the loungeroom, and also that it won't suit the outputs on the downstairs (clone) output ... could be a problem ... but at $0 I think I'll wait until it arrives before I suggest spending $ to the missus ;)

[14:49:22]

mzb_d800:

not bad for a $6000 tv ... as long as I can fix it ;)

[14:49:33]

levander:

This bug is about the i855 chipset, but "Basically the driver only supports the TV format to what has been set by the

[14:49:33]

levander:

Video BIOS. There is no support for underscan/overscan either."

[14:49:36]

levander:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2782

[14:50:47]

justinh:

levander: it's i945

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levander:

I thought you said you had an i810?

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mzb_d800:

2.1m min viewing distance ... *dribble*

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levander:

justinh: The bug I linked is about i945 or your chipset is i945?

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justinh:

levander: uses the i810 driver yeah

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mzb_d800:

s/i810/intel/

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levander:

justinh: That wasn't a yes or no, that was an either or.

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mzb_d800:

i810 driver is deprecated iirc

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justinh:

it's not

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mzb_d800:

(happy to be corrected)

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justinh:

'intel' is intel's own propriatary thing

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mzb_d800:

ah, OK

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justinh:

sudo /etc/init.d/gdm retard

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mzb_d800:

heh

[14:55:47]

mzb_d800:

I often try to retart it, but it doesn't seem to affect my love life at all

[14:57:18]

justinh:

oh dear. caught signal 11, says xorg

[14:57:58]

mzb_d800:

err ... actually I should explain that better, but that would ruin my love life completely ;)

[14:58:54]

mzb_d800:

speaking of really sexy ... anyone interested in a nice CNC video?

[14:59:08]

mzb_d800:

yes ... I mean milling machine

[14:59:31]

mzb_d800:

(it takes about 7 mins before it gets really exciting;)

[14:59:52]

justinh:

no point me watching sexy vids longer than 5 mins :P

[15:00:55]

mzb_d800:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsmiIeAkE-o

[15:01:51]

mzb_d800:

watch the whole thing ... you'll probably get a combination of silicon madness and motion sickness if you watch long enough ;)

[15:02:46]

mzb_d800:

title: V8 Engine Block Machined From Solid

[15:03:00]

mzb_d800:

5 axis CNC

[15:03:23]

DustyBin:

there are serious problems when trying to compile the v4l drivers on debian etch, this is a fresh install of debian etch, and here is the problem: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2413

[15:03:33]

mzb_d800:

timer starts now ... I'll come back in 10 mins ;)

[15:03:38]

DustyBin:

no v4l = no mythtv for me :(

[15:03:48]

** justinh is gonna struggle with his tvout, thanks mzb_d800 **

[15:04:18]

DustyBin:

i had the exact same error a few days ago, i thought maybe something was wrong with my setup

[15:04:29]

DustyBin:

but the problem still exists with a fresh install

[15:04:55]

mzb_d800:

np, justinh, but please bookmark it ... at the very least it's good to show "old timers" how to make an engine block from scratch ;)

[15:06:31]

mzb_d800:

it's a "while you wait" promo video, afaict

[15:08:38]

justinh:

i think I know what's up here. the guy who made that howto was in ntsc land, and the tvout format stuff (presumably borrowed from a nvidia doc).. does nothing

[15:08:50]

DustyBin:

gspca-modules-2.6.18-5-vserver-686 – gspca video for linux (v4l) driver modules for Linux 2.6.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4

[15:08:56]

DustyBin:

maybe i could install that instead?

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justinh:

oh FFS. ubuntu forum users saying "yeah this (linky) works great". click on the linky and er.. it's a different subject in the post

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Dibblah:

janneg: Importing a channels.conf won't work either :(

[15:17:32]

Dibblah:

... Since the scanner is still used, and still overrides the given transponder info.

[15:18:21]

justinh:

Dibblah: these intel controllers are shucking fite!

[15:18:41]

Dibblah:

Which? Graphics?

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justinh:

aye

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justinh:

this is going on ebay again I SWEAR

[15:20:37]

Dibblah:

... TV out?

[15:20:45]

Dibblah:

What's wrong with it?

[15:21:08]

justinh:

black & white, for one

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Dibblah:

You've set PAL?

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justinh:

"Option "TVStandard" is not used"

[15:21:33]

mzb_d800:

this doesn't help? : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27261

[15:21:46]

mzb_d800:

sounds like the wrong PAL mode

[15:22:31]

Dibblah:

justinh: I haven't done TV out.

[15:22:35]

justinh:

PAL-I

[15:22:36]

Dibblah:

But try the xrandr route.

[15:22:44]

justinh:

xrandr isn't having it either

[15:23:52]

justinh:

xrandr --verbose doesn't report anything about the tv standard

[15:24:14]

jarle__:

Is there anything special I need to be aware of when installing trunk mythtv in favour of my previously ubuntu-packages? keeping a backup of mythconverge should keep me safe, shouldn't it?

[15:24:20]

justinh:

and the commands listed on various forum pages don't work – they just make it spit out the usage (which doesn't include those options btw)

[15:26:19]

mzb_d800:

maybe it only works with the intel driver?

[15:26:43]

Dibblah:

justinh: Oh.

[15:26:56]

Dibblah:

You're using the older Intel drivers.

[15:26:56]

justinh:

oh indeed. it's a piece of stinking crap!

[15:27:03]

Dibblah:

Not the modesetting branch.

[15:27:06]

Dibblah:

(2.1.1)

[15:27:13]

justinh:

ah

[15:27:37]

justinh:

might just update to Goffy Googah or whatever then

[15:28:47]

mzb_d800:

jarle__: a complete backup is a really good idea

[15:29:09]

Dibblah:

justinh: What does your X log say?

[15:29:48]

mzb_d800:

you may also need to install|modify your init scripts so that they use /usr/local instead of /usr

[15:30:05]

justinh:

Dibblah: it says the options aren't supported

[15:31:09]

mzb_d800:

jarle__: keep in mind that if you have other fe's or be's that the won't work after you upgrade

[15:31:27]

Dibblah:

No – the entirety, for version numbers.

[15:31:49]

Dibblah:

I'm pretty sure there's some way to do it with the old branch, but I don't have it here.

[15:32:09]

mzb_d800:

time to go to bed and dream about (fixing) 48 inches of viewing pleasure (et al)

[15:32:14]

mzb_d800:

gnite all

[15:32:19]

jarle__:

mzb_d800: ok, thnx..

[15:32:37]

justinh:

Dibblah: "X Window System Version 7.2.0" xorg video driver is 1.1

[15:32:46]

mzb_d800:

s/that the won't/that they won't/

[15:32:54]

Dibblah:

For the Intel or i810 driver?

[15:32:56]

mzb_d800:

jarle__: np, good luck ;)

[15:33:06]

justinh:

Dibblah: for i810

[15:33:32]

DustyBin:

justinh: whatever you do, dont reinstall v4l drivers! there are serious problems with it at the moment!

[15:33:58]

Dibblah:

You've tried http://wilmer.gaast.net/blog/archives/33-Inte . . . please!.html

[15:33:59]

justinh:

heh as if!

[15:34:20]

levander:

justinh: when I turn on verbose logging in X, right on startup in Xorg.0.log, all the video formats my video card supports are listed, PAL and NTSC, even though I only use NTSC

[15:34:40]

justinh:

TV Format "PAL" ? where the effing hell is that in the docs?!

[15:35:51]

Dibblah:

Duh. It's not.

[15:35:55]

justinh:

nah still mono

[15:36:07]

Dibblah:

Documentation? Who needs it when you've got the source?

[15:36:16]

justinh:

FFS

[15:36:35]

Dibblah:

Pastebin the X log?

[15:36:41]

justinh:

it's one thing to have to RTFM. it's another to have to dig into the sucking fource

[15:37:20]

janneg:

justinh: is it a s-video connector?

[15:37:53]

justinh:

janneg: yeah

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justinh:

svid to svid

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justinh:

Dibblah: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/Xorg.0.log

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janneg:

Dibblah: I think the channel.conf import just verifies the info in the channels.conf

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Dibblah:

janneg: I wish that was true :(

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Dibblah:

It appears to be trying to get the true center frequencies.

[15:39:19]

justinh:

Dibblah: aww your card driver is lying to the scanner

[15:39:24]

justinh:

some do that

[15:39:38]

justinh:

I had that problem once upon a time

[15:39:46]

justinh:

pretty sure stuarta's fixed it more than once

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janneg:

justinh: no s-video to koax converter? most of those ignore the chroma signal of s-video

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justinh:

janneg: no, svideo to svideo

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levander:

Here's a guy asking the exact same question I'm trying to figure out on the mailing list, and he was completely ignored: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . atch;#244758

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Dibblah:

justinh: No – It's not that. It's getting confused because the provider is broken.

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Dibblah:

So it ends up effectively shuffling the list of transports.

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justinh:

ah

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justinh:

well I'm givinig up on this stinking PoS for today

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Dibblah:

justinh: 2.1 driver should work.

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justinh:

I'll leave it dist-upgrading

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Dibblah:

Uhoh.

[15:47:01]

Dibblah:

Live upgrading a distro never works well for me :(

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Dibblah:

But... It should be fine for you! ;)

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DustyBin:

justinh: what version kernel do you use on your mythbackend box

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Dibblah:

justinh: Of course, the easiest solution is to add in an NV card :)

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Aval0n:

AO: audio waiting for space on soundcard: have 5856 need 6144

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Aval0n:

can that cause hd playback skipping?

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my2keh:

anyone know why nothing is showing up in my upcoming recordings?

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my2keh:

even though I have upcoming recordings, and proper guide data?

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justinh:

Dibblah: I have nothing to lose doing a distro upgrade

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justinh:

and I'd sooner put this affair on ebay than buy a nvidia card & pci-e riser

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justinh:

my2keh: try starting mythbackend with --resched

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my2keh:

ok one sec

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my2keh:

i will look for the command line

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my2keh:

2007-12–01 11:49:37.102 Connected to master for reschedule

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my2keh:

so I guess it worked?

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my2keh:

or does it take a while?

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justinh:

check your upcoming recordings list

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justinh:

btw DustyBin I'm fecked if I even care what version kernel I run on the backend. it works and that's all I need know

[16:51:39]

my2keh:

yeah nothing shows up

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my2keh:

I tried running myisamchk too

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justinh:

run mysqlcheck then

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my2keh:

never heard of that one!

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my2keh:

hmm it spit a bunch of stuff back, anything in particular I should look for?

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justinh:

er.. if anything's not marked as 'ok'

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my2keh:

I get stuff like: all-in-1 FALSE

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my2keh:

auto-repair FALSE

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my2keh:

character-sets-dir (No default value)

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justinh:

mysqlcheck -u $user -p$password mythconverg

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my2keh:

everything shows OK

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justinh:

did you stop mythbackend before running that 'mythbackend --resched' ?

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mytookie:

if I stop the backend first

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mytookie:

it doesn't run

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mytookie:

2007-12–01 11:56:58.539 Cannot connect to master for reschedule

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justinh:

Dibblah: if this svideo out doesn't work, I'm beginning to doubt I'd even have any joy if I made a VGA-SCART cable since the lame driver won't support modelines

[16:57:52]

mytookie:

my2keh = mytookie

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mytookie:

mythbackend --resched seems to have to run when backend is turned on?

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justinh:

don't think so

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mytookie:

well I ran it after doing a mythbackend stop

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mytookie:

and it says it can't connect to the backend

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justinh:

try running it as the same user mythbackend runs as

[16:59:47]

justinh:

usually mythtv

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mytookie:

same deal

[17:00:37]

justinh:

maybe just try restarting the backend & check upcoming recordings again

[17:00:40]

mytookie:

2007-12–01 12:00:29.611 Connection timed out.

[17:00:40]

mytookie:

You probably should modify the Master Server

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mytookie:

settings in the setup program and set the

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mytookie:

proper IP address.

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mytookie:

2007-12–01 12:00:29.611 Cannot connect to master for reschedule

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mytookie:

i tried that

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justinh:

how are you for disk space then?

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mytookie:

80% free

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boukmandutty:

anyone know how to get the metallurgy test theme working?

[17:12:17]

justinh:

boukmandutty: install svn trunk

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justinh:

(it only works with svn trunk)

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cmoates:

And then it works like a champ

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cmoates:

Though clearly I need to adjust the color on my tv

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cmoates:

at 6500K it looks yellowish

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kdubya:

i have the have crazy values for brightness and contrast on my tv

[17:13:48]

kdubya:

seems like it would be better to get the computer to output the right color

[17:14:14]

kdubya:

is there a way to get it to not clip the black so badly?

[17:14:30]

kdubya:

i have to have the brightness almost at max to get and shadow detail

[17:14:37]

kdubya:

and=any

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cmoates:

CRT/LCD/Plasma?

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kdubya:

plasma

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cmoates:

Might be able to increase gamma on the card

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kdubya:

is that better than just setting it on the TV?

[17:15:25]

cmoates:

I'm not sure, but it couldn't hurt to experiment ;)

[17:15:27]

cmoates:

nvidia card?

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kdubya:

yeah

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boukmandutty:

ok

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boukmandutty:

going to try

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gbee:

kdubya: run nvidia-settings, tweak the colour etc and then stick "nvidia-settings -l" in a startup script

[17:17:38]

kdubya:

yeah

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boukmandutty:

another question

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kdubya:

it just seems that it is outputting the wrong color

[17:18:00]

kdubya:

and tweeking the gamma is just a hack

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cmoates:

does nvidia settings let you load an icc color profile?

[17:18:28]

boukmandutty:

i see screenshots of mythv editing recorded videos, cutting out commercials and such, but i cant seem to find the function

[17:18:33]

kdubya:

i was wondering if there was some setting to tell it you are using a TV, and it should use a different values for black than with a monitor

[17:18:51]

gbee:

for the longest time I didn't realise that the tweaks I'd made with nvidia-settings were lost on a reboot, you'd have thought that the driver loaded those profiles automatically without having to force it each time with -l

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kdubya:

yeah gbee , that is retarded

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gbee:

boukmandutty: press E when watching a recording

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cmoates:

kdubya, black is black, how different displays interpret it isn't easy to know from the video card's perspective

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cmoates:

And gamma isn't necessarily a hack, if it's set too low right now

[17:20:30]

gbee:

when in editing mode, left/right move your position in the video, up/down change the move amount and select/enter/space bring up a menu asking if you want to insert an cut point

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kdubya:

i see things that say like like TV colorspace the values go from like 16–220 or something

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cmoates:

Ideal would be having an ICC profile for your TV and a way to get the nv driver to eat that up

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kdubya:

damn that sentence made no sense

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kdubya:

but, does that only apply to composite?

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cmoates:

what, tv colorspace?

[17:21:25]

cmoates:

That's probably a function of your display, I don't know where you are reading it

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justinh:

gamma profiles vary from display to display

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kdubya:

it was on the wiki

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kdubya:

let me find it

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justinh:

CRT differs from LCD which in turn differs from Plasma

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kdubya:

yeah but they all accept input from a DVD player correctly

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justinh:

colour gamut limits are wildly different too

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gbee:

some TVs can't handle true black or true white, it's not the same for all of them though

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cmoates:

And the all accept input from a DVD player differently

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cmoates:

You've never been in a store and noticed all the different TV's look different?

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kdubya:

they might be a little different from a DVD player

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kdubya:

what I am seeing is WAY off

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cmoates:

That's not always because customers screwed with the settings

[17:23:16]

** justinh recommends a purchase of Digital Video Essentials, the DVD **

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kdubya:

scenes that are a little dark end up beeing 100% black

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cmoates:

justinh, I was about to buy that, but it seems a new version is coming in January?

[17:23:38]

justinh:

kdubya: displays are notorious for that

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lulzmstr:

(18:23:22) stybi: also, der ganz hnten? nicht die lok?

[17:24:07]

lulzmstr:

(18:23:28) stybi: das macht keinen sinn

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kdubya:

are they notorious for doing it with an HTPC and not a DVD player or cable box?

[17:24:10]

lulzmstr:

argh

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gbee:

until I tried metallurgy on my TV I didn't realise how badly it was distorting colours – after tweaking my TVs settings and increasing the GPU gamma a tiny amount it actually looks like it does on a monitor

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lulzmstr:

sry, wrong window

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kdubya:

this is the HTPC not the display

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** justinh now wishes he'd just downloaded a gusty guffaw CD & installed that instead **

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justinh:

kdubya: and while not all displays are alike, nor are video outputs!

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kdubya:

Using Overlay with PC levels of 0–255, DVDs should have proper levels for blacks and whites. This is because Overlay is being "expanded" in a sense so that reference black and white show up properly, even though those values are at 16 and 235, respectively, and should actually appear as dark grey and light grey. This may be done by clipping the values, depending on the video card settings.

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kdubya:

that all get through?

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gbee:

justinh: tempted to break all the themes again and make mythnews use two seperate windows instead of trying to define the settings page and display page in one

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cmoates:

gbee you have a penchant for breaking things don't you :)

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justinh:

hahaha. so would I

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boukmandutty:

do any of you ever get what i call the green screen of death?

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gbee:

cmoates: :)

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cmoates:

want to explain that more, boukmandutty?

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boukmandutty:

well sometimes is green but mostly its a blank pink screen

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kdubya:

videocard drivers

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kdubya:

roll them back

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echosyp:

i have a question

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echosyp:

about hd

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boukmandutty:

when i tweak the gui and try to go back to live tv

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boukmandutty:

or to watching a video

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justinh:

echosyp: can

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justinh:

echosyp: you

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echosyp:

cool

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justinh:

echosyp: post it

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justinh:

echosyp: all

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justinh:

echosyp: onm

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justinh:

echosyp: *on one line please?

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justinh:

;)

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cmoates:

where's my trout? ;)

[17:29:25]

boukmandutty:

get this blank pink screen and i have to restart the computer

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echosyp:

my bad, yeah

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boukmandutty:

or if it hasnt frozen completely i have to restart the x server

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echosyp:

i have an HD DVR with firewire ports and rj-45 and usb input, its a TDC779x, im really just wondering if anyone knows about it, and how easy it would be to get it setup with myth

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kdubya:

i dont thinkt here is a channel change script for that thing echosyp

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kdubya:

other then that it should work as a firewire tuner

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echosyp:

i looked up on the manufactures website, aparently the network and usb ports are for "future use"

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kdubya:

if you wrote one

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kdubya:

i just looked it up

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kdubya:

i didnt realize cablecard boxes other than tivo even existed

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kdubya:

ones that arnt supplied by the cable company at least

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kdubya:

or did you get it from the cable company?

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echosyp:

yeah

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echosyp:

i did

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kdubya:

ah

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kdubya:

what cable company is using that?

[17:34:13]

kdubya:

i thought they all used motorolas and sci atlantas

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cmoates:

There's a few others out there, especially with smaller cable outfits

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cmoates:

but moto and sa are by far the big players

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cmoates:

I would like a fw output but I don't want a bigass cable box :(

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cmoates:

My current cable box is about 5" x 5" x 1"

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echosyp:

SuddenLink

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echosyp:

in texas

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kdubya:

the 3250hd is little bitty cmoates

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cmoates:

That's SA

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kdubya:

echosyp, you in pfluggerville or roundrock?

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cmoates:

We're a moto shop

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kdubya:

they have suddenlink

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kdubya:

suddenlink seems tiny from thier commercials

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echosyp:

no

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echosyp:

Lubbock

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kdubya:

well

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kdubya:

i dont think myth supports that box

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kdubya:

i dont know how much work it is to make it work

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kdubya:

you could use a IR blaster instead of the firewire to change channels

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kdubya:

in which case support would not matter

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cmoates:

It's also possible that the data you'd need is available from the manufacturer

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cmoates:

Since they are smaller

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Saviq:

anyone here with an i810e and XvMC enabled?

[17:43:37]

Saviq:

xorg says '7 XvMC Surfaces Requested.'

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Saviq:

but mplayer says No X-Video MotionCompensation Extension on :0

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justinh:

oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear. biggest reported browser visiting my themes site is IE. boooO!

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** justinh makes a note to break it in IE next time good & proper **

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kdubya:

that is suprising

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justinh:

disgusting is what it is

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kdubya:

wonder how many of those people are just reporting as IE and they are using firefox

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justinh:

more than the 13% using firefox on windows? mmm maybe

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my2keh:

justinh>> you still around?

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my2keh:

doh!

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my2keh:

heh

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my2keh:

anyone know why nothing is showing up in my upcoming recordings?

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my2keh:

even though I have proper guide data?

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Saviq:

well do You have proper scheduls?

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Saviq:

*schedules

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my2keh:

yeah, like I just picked a show playing at 1:30

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my2keh:

hit record and it's not there

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my2keh:

I have a bunch of previous recordings too

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mytookie:

stupid wireless

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mytookie:

my2keh=mytookie

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mytookie:

so I would assume if I just picked something out of the current program guide

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mytookie:

it'd show up in upcoming

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mytookie:

any ideas?

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evilint:

anyone know where the deinterlacing settings are?

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evilint:

i see people saying Playback->General Playback

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evilint:

but that settings screen seems to have changed

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Saviq:

Setup > TV Playback

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mytookie:

wonder if I clear the guide data

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mytookie:

wait

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evilint:

yea, not there

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mytookie:

that won't do it

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mytookie:

hmmm

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Saviq:

evilint: Utilities > Setup > TV Settings > Playback

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Saviq:

first screen, on the top

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evilint:

yes, thats what ive been reading saviq

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evilint:

but on that screen

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evilint:

(to begin with, screenshots ive seen differ from what i'm seeing)

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evilint:

so I'm at General Playback (1/9(

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evilint:

and nothign about deinterlacing

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evilint:

i dont know if this has changed recently, but this is compiled from the latest svn

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Saviq:

well I won't help you then, sorry

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evilint:

k

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evilint:

thx anyway

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emarkd:

anyone around who can tell me how to remove 'tv' from the main menu. i don't use the dvr/tv features.

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gbee:

emarkd: edit the menu xml files (locate mainmenu.xml)

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emarkd:

found it on the gossamer-threads archive

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emarkd:

:)

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emarkd:

gdee – thanks for the reply

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boukmandutty:

I have mythtv set up on a box that has both a monitor and a tv connected to it. Is there a way to have mythfrontend start up on the tv by default?

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kantlivelong:

he yall

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kantlivelong:

hey all*

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kantlivelong:

im having a weird issue w/ mythtv

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kantlivelong:

the screen goes black once its done preloading

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kantlivelong:

no one?

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evilint:

hey kantlivelong

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kantlivelong:

hola

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evilint:

sorry, cant help ya, just learning this stuff myself

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kantlivelong:

bleh

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kantlivelong:

it preloads images// then goes black

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Huijari:

kantlivelong: it doesn't show OSD?

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Huijari:

or say anything about not being able to get a channel lock?

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kantlivelong:

its not channel

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kantlivelong:

its right when it starts

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kantlivelong:

preloads images then goes black

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kantlivelong:

if i press back arrow it shows the exit dialog

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Huijari:

ah, yeah

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kantlivelong:

:(

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kantlivelong:

whats wrong

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Saviq:

try running it from the console and look at the output

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kantlivelong:

k sec

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boukmandutty:

mythtv svn is asking to upgrade my database. Is this safe? anyone?

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iamlindoro:

Heh, well it's your only option if you intend to run SVN

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iamlindoro:

and since you should have already backed up your db...

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boukmandutty:

lol

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boukmandutty:

have never backed up my database actually

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iamlindoro:

then you're already obviously not too concerned with "safe" ;)

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iamlindoro:

You can see how in the wiki, with scripts to set it as a nightly cron job, too

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kantlivelong:

fixed it

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iamlindoro:

that said, yes, I've always found it perfectly safe to upgrade the db

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boukmandutty:

ok

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boukmandutty:

thanks man

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boukmandutty:

i will try to be safe from hereon

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kantlivelong:

i had to enable qt thru mysql

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kantlivelong:

opengl wont work for some reason

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kantlivelong:

how do i edit menus?

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fysa:

control panel

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kantlivelong:

can i delete stuff?

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kantlivelong:

i dont really have a tv tuner

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kantlivelong:

so

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fysa:

the same place you set the Web Browser/Contact button, there's another hidden button in there

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kantlivelong:

just wanna remove it

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kantlivelong:

kk

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fysa:

it's hard to find.

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fysa:

oh wait

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fysa:

no, sorry

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fysa:

wrong channel :)

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fysa:

for myth, you can edit the .xml file in the theme

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kantlivelong:

:)

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iamlindoro:

kantlivelong, you need to edit the theme xml files if you want to remove things from menus

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kantlivelong:

ok

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fysa:

and remove entries/add your own

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kantlivelong:

ight

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kantlivelong:

:)

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jams:

yikes it's snowing

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directhex:

there's no business like snow business like no business i know

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kantlivelong:

yay snow

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I went to grad school in boston--- don't miss the snow at *all*

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directhex:

it's exciting if you're not used to it

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, that's true

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rushfan_:

Anyone here use an HD-5500 card?

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jams:

directhex- it's fine right up until it's starts to accumulate.

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iamlindoro:

rushfan, I use two

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: is it worth buying one? Like theres no quality degradation?

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iamlindoro:

degradation as compared to what? Any ATSC tuner is just going to stream the signal straight to disk, so they're all really the same... I like mine a lot, though

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kdubya:

its digital the quality is the same on all cards

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rushfan_:

Oh cool. Well I have an NTSC that obviously loses quality

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kdubya:

thats because it has to do an analog to digital conversion

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rushfan_:

My plan is to have the NTSC and the ATSC card hooked up at the same time

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kdubya:

with digital tv there is no need for that

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iamlindoro:

right... just be aware that what you get via analog will not necessarily be the same thing you get via ATSC/QAM

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iamlindoro:

in terms of channels, etc.

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rushfan_:

yeah

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rushfan_:

well Im going to buy an HDTV antenna and just get the free broadcast channels

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rushfan_:

All I really want is high def sports games and a few tv shows

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iamlindoro:

yeah, would work well, then

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iamlindoro:

I used mine for exactly that before I went to QAM with them

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: whos your cable company?

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rushfan_:

Im trying to figure out which channels time warner has as QAM where I live

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iamlindoro:

Comcrap

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rushfan_:

I think they might have all the broadcast channels as QAM :|

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iamlindoro:

rushfan, you'd probably get Network channels, most people do. I also get community access stuff

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: too bad those HD-5500s dont have two tuners built in :(

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kdubya:

the only dual digital tuner is the hd homerun

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iamlindoro:

If you want two tuners, get an HDHomeRun

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kdubya:

as far as i know

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rushfan_:

Let me look. I think the QAM stuff is actually same as the over-the-air stuff

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rushfan_:

I just the prolbem of not having two cable jacks in my room :\

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kantlivelong:

hmmm

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rushfan_:

Well... iamlindoro what do you think would be wiser. Getting an antenna or QAM? IS the quality the same either way?

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kantlivelong:

im trying mythvideo.. i cant seem to control mplayer

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beoba:

hi, are any pinnacle cards known to work with mythtv

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iamlindoro:

Theoretically you can get the same quality... I find that my signal quality if *much* better with QAM, as my antenna signal strength was always sketchy

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iamlindoro:

So I get far fewer dropouts

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iamlindoro:

But some people have excellent antenna signal

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rushfan_:

Hmm. Well I could just get an antenna and return it

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kdubya:

crap

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kdubya:

yall seen this?

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kdubya:

http://www.hometoys.com/htinews/dec07/article . . . ablecard.htm

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kdubya:

apparently some HD boxes with coax out are outputting clear qam through there

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kdubya:

wonder if he is just making it up

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: I also get bad cable reception in my room on the lower channels :|

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rushfan_:

which is weird I know

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iamlindoro:

If it's true, it's not long for this world :)

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kdubya:

im about to try it

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iamlindoro:

rushfan, well, it really depends. You could get great signal, you could get nothing, as the channel you'd be tuning would be digital with the HD tuners... so you would et perfect pisture, no picture at all, or perfect picture interspersed with dropouts and blockiness

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: with cable or with the antenna?

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iamlindoro:

Either way

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kdubya:

both

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rushfan_:

damn. So I wont know until I test it

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iamlindoro:

Right

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kdubya:

chech how far your antenna is

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iamlindoro:

antennaweb.org

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rushfan_:

Well if I dont have digital cable do I still get digital channels?

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kdubya:

if it is like 5 miles away you have aboslutely nothing to worry about

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: Im checking that right now

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** bagpuss_thecat happily discovers that migrating the master backend to a slave is just a simple change of one variable in the database **

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rushfan_:

Im about 15–20 miles

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kdubya:

you probably need an outdoor antenna

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iamlindoro:

You could be okay, may just need a decent antenna

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rushfan_:

Yeah. And uhh, if I dont have digital cable do I usually still get QAM?

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kdubya:

yep

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rushfan_:

Alright, well Ill just see how thigns work out I guess

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rushfan_:

I could drill a hole through the wall and steal the cable jack from the room next to me

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alibi:

So is there any project underway to "animate" MythTV with 3D effects?

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rushfan_:

alibi: why would you want that

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kdubya:

because it looks cool

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: would the antenna most likely have to go on my roof?

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alibi:

I agree- looking cool has at least SOME value

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alibi:

Plus, I'd like sound effects. :)

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iamlindoro:

My folks use an antenna and it's in their attic crawlspae, so not necessarily

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alibi:

That is actually useful since it provides feedback

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kantlivelong:

grrr

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kantlivelong:

why cant i control mplayer!!

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iamlindoro:

alibi, no, not currently... may ultimately be possible with the new MythUI but I don't know

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: hmm. how does your hd-5500 work with ntsc?

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rushfan_:

Does it suck up massive cpu since it lacks a hardware mpeg2 encoder/decoder thingy

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iamlindoro:

rushfan, I would never do analog with an HD 5500, but yes, that's what would happen

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iamlindoro:

plus you'd have to piggyback audio on the soundcard, and you'd only be able to record as NUV... it sucks, in short

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: the audio is digital too with ATSC, right?

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iamlindoro:

right

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bsdfox__:

anyone know how to dedicate a tuner to livetv?

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bsdfox__:

also, can anyone help me setup my desktop as a slave backend just to run transcoding jobs on? I thought I had it setup right but it doesn't work

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iamlindoro:

bsdfox, you could give it the lowest priority and set up the setting that says choose the tuner least likely to be used for recordings for livetv

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rushfan_:

This is just gonna suck to wire up an antenna unless I can just put it on the side of my house. I guess I should do some angle calculations.

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bsdfox__:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP. Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page of the general settings.

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: I can put it on the side of my house if its facing the antenna, right?

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iamlindoro:

rushfan, depends on whether you need an omni or a directional.. antennaweb should tell you that

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: I need a directional antenna

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rushfan_:

The orientations are all with 3 degrees of each other. so not much variation

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iamlindoro:

ok, again, antennas are sort of an art... you might be able to get away with just putting it in the attic

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rushfan_:

oh

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gbee:

guys, hoping one of you can help me out with a question asked by a friend – she wants to copy her DVDs to a HDD and do so in a format that can be played back without any hassles by Windows Media Player, what does she need to do? She would rather use free software and if you haven't already guessed, she uses Windows (which is why I don't know the answer)

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rushfan_:

the only problem w/ that is running cables through my wall

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iamlindoro:

gbee, take a look at handbrake for windows

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kdubya:

gbee, create a .bat for her using mplayer

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iamlindoro:

I use it on mac and it's excellent, hopefully it's as good in win

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iamlindoro:

It's basically a ffmpeg and x264 frontend

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gbee:

iamlindoro: interesting, I'll take a look

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: I could just use a cable splitter, couldnt I

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iamlindoro:

rushfan, you could get something at radio shack that basically muxes antenna and cable on one end, and then demuxes it on the other

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rushfan_:

True but thats not really necessary if I have QAM, is it

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gbee:

kdubya: she lives 200 miles away from me right now, so I've no physical access to the DVDs she wants to rip

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kdubya:

i know

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kdubya:

thats why you tell her to install mplayer and you write the .bat file to rip DVDs

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kdubya:

she just runs the bat

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kdubya:

other deal is probably better thoguh

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iamlindoro:

rushfan, if you just want to split QAM, so long as you have good signal strength a splitter won't be a problem

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: yeah, or better yet I think Im going to get an amplified splitter

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gbee:

kdubya: ahh, well that's where you lost me, since I didn't know mplayer was available for Windows :)

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iamlindoro:

rushfan, just keep in mind amplified bad signal = even worse signal... so I'd start with a straight connection, see what you can get, and add an amp only if necessary

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gbee:

iamlindoro: handbrake looks like exactly what she needs

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kdubya:

heh

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rushfan_:

ok

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iamlindoro:

gbee, cool. I like it a lot, it's very "one click" oriented... drop in the DVD, select it in the source button, click start... get a beeer... Profit!

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: I guess I'll just screw around until something works and return things if I dont get desired results

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iamlindoro:

rushfan, I imagine you'll get decent results with QAM

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cipher_nemo_:

hello, I'm looking for some help in setting up a new ATI Remote Wonder II with MythTV 0.2x and Ubuntu 7.10. On MythTV's wiki, it mentions that I don't need LIRC because the module ati_remote2 works. Yet, it doesn't describe how to install, configure, or use ati_remote2 module. Any ideas or guides someone can point me to? Thanks!

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rushfan_:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

I just live in a city where getting good antenna reception is a lost cause

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gbee:

iamlindoro: great, "one click" is what she really needs

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rushfan_:

I just hope the QAM channels get sports games

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: do you get live sports on QAM?

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cipher_nemo_:

iamlindoro: thanks for your help a few days ago. I got my MythTV running perfectly!

[19:36:40]

iamlindoro:

rushfan, yeah, watching the VA tech game right now

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iamlindoro:

cipher_name, great! glad to hear it's working well

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rushfan_:

sweet

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iamlindoro:

er nemo, sorry

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cipher_nemo_:

lol, np

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iamlindoro:

rushfan, looks fantastic

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iamlindoro:

rushfan_ still have the World Series all in HD on my master backend, I can't watch any other way now

[19:38:01]

rushfan_:

iamlindoro: yeah I cant wait to record hdtv stuff

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rushfan_:

how big are the files on your harddisc?

[19:38:08]

iamlindoro:

Plus, can cut out the commercials automatically... who needs those stupid DVDs the league tries to sell you?

[19:38:32]

iamlindoro:

rushfan_, well, HD is certaily big... generally about 7 GB/hr before removing commercials

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rushfan_:

I think Im going to need a bigger HD seeing as my 250gb disc is basically maxed out right now.

[19:38:47]

rushfan_:

yeah, analog is like 4gb/hr I think

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iamlindoro:

I transcode everything to 720p x.264 for about 1.1 GB/hr

[19:39:10]

iamlindoro:

But that's just the stuff I want to keep

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cipher_nemo_:

1GB/hour? You must use a fair amount of compression... MPEG2 or something else?

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iamlindoro:

x.264, it's looks fantastic

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iamlindoro:

with x.264 you can get comparable quality to MPEG-2 at 60% the size

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: what container? mkv?

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rushfan_:

And what do you use for the transcoding?

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cipher_nemo_:

I'm on a PVR-500 (mpeg2 native) I suck up 6GB/hour at nearly uncompressed. Any suggestions on better compression? I'm not so happy with mpeg2 compression

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iamlindoro:

so generally a show starts at about 7 GB before removing commercials, goes to 4.5 or so after removing them, then convert over to x.264 and it look amazing

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iamlindoro:

rushfan_, mp4 container

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rushfan_:

God damn it. wtf I hate the cable signal in my room. Maybe a splitter is a bad idea. I alrady get bad reception on random channels :|

[19:40:58]

rushfan_:

like Vh1

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: mencoder?

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kdubya:

myth can transcode

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kdubya:

automatically

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rushfan_:

oh

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iamlindoro:

I have my own conversion script that calculates the bitrate according to size... so I set 30 Minute shows to be 550 Mb, and hourlongs to be 1100, and it uses ffmpeg

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: can you pastebin that for me by any chance?

[19:42:06]

iamlindoro:

Basically, it assures that a 22 minute show and a 30 minute show both end up 550... and adjusts bitrate accordingly. Also does two-pass.

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iamlindoro:

rushfan, sure

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: 22 minutes is after you cut the commercials, right?

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iamlindoro:

Right

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rushfan_:

Granted doesnt mythtv transcode it when you remove the commercials?

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iamlindoro:

It's lossless

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iamlindoro:

just cuts

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iamlindoro:

Assuming you set it that way, that is

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kdubya:

why do you care the recordings are all the same size?

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rushfan_:

oh

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rushfan_:

kdubya: because commercials are annoying?

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rushfan_:

And no commercials = higher quality if they're all the same size

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kdubya:

it has nothing to do with commercials

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kdubya:

why not just use a fixed bitrate

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iamlindoro:

kdubya, I can always tell exactly how many hours I have left on my RAID, for one

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: pastebin that thing yet?

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iamlindoro:

Rushfan_, http://pastebin.com/m7da5eeaf

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kantlivelong:

how in the heck do i set my key bindings?

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rushfan_:

ty

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iamlindoro:

I also have it set to use multithreading because my systems are all multiprocessor, so you can set it for the number of processors you have

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: I only have 1 :(

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rushfan_:

but multiprocessor or mutli-core?

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iamlindoro:

rushfan, it treats them the same

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iamlindoro:

if you have two cores, set it as two

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Cyrexion:

Hey guys, does mythweb support flash ?

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iamlindoro:

Cyrexion, flash *what*?

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rushfan_:

iamlindoro: no Im just asking about oyur machine from curiositiy

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raptorjr:

hello, i have a little problem compiling trunk, anyone could try to help me?

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iamlindoro:

streaming of TV?

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iamlindoro:

rushfan, cores

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rushfan_:

Should I leave the resolution at 1280x720?

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Cyrexion:

flash files (.swf) — just plain, user-created flash fiels

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iamlindoro:

MBE is Quad core, Slave backend is dual

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Cyrexion:

err, files

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iamlindoro:

Cyrexion... Maybe it would be better to tell what you'd like to do

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iamlindoro:

rushfan, if you want to transcode to 720p, yes

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Cyrexion:

I want to extend off of the current mythweb interface and add flash elements... when I simply place the .swf files in the mythweb directory and try to call them from webpages, I get "movie not loaded" messages.

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DustyBin:

ive just installed mythtv from debian repos, when i try and start mythbackend, it says: Starting MythTV server: mythbackend QSettings: error creating /root/.qt

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DustyBin:

o+0

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iamlindoro:

Cyrexion, mythweb in and of itself has nothing that could prevent you from linking to any standards-complient file or page... so it's more likely a problem with web server configuration

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Cyrexion:

hmm, ok... thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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raptorjr:

anyone got this error when compiling trunk? i386/dsputil_mmx.c:3013: error: can't find a register in class `GENERAL_REGS' while reloading `asm'

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iamlindoro:

raptorjr, nope... have you compiled trunk before?

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raptorjr:

yes, for like 2–3 years, but havent updated in 1–2 months

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iamlindoro:

raptorjr, did you make distclean?

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raptorjr:

yes

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iamlindoro:

hrm. Well, nope, compiling for me ok... no new dependencies that I know of

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raptorjr:

ok, could try and download again from svn

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iamlindoro:

Can't imagine it was a bad checkout, but anything is worth trying, I suppose

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iamlindoro:

Andy warnings with configure?

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iamlindoro:

er any

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iamlindoro:

or anything worth noting in config.err?

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raptorjr:

no, no warnings with configure, however i did use ./configure --previous, maybe that was stupid?

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iamlindoro:

raptorjr, a few things *have changed, may be worth doing it fresh

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raptorjr:

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raptorjr:

i'll

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bsdfox__:

p2–450 really isn't that bad for a 3 tuner backend

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raptorjr:

i do get a error in config.err

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raptorjr:

ccache gcc -Wall -Wno-switch -Wdisabled-optimization -Wpointer-arith -Wredundant-decls -fomit-frame-pointer -O3 -c -o /tmp/ff

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raptorjr:

mpeg-conf-18626-9264–5845.o /tmp/ffmpeg-conf-26666-9264–21029.c

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raptorjr:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

well first things first, might as well try specifying config options again

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raptorjr:

yes

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raptorjr:

i did only ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mythtv

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raptorjr:

and rm config.err before

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raptorjr:

now i get /tmp/ccOpF0Jd.s:3: Error: alignment not a power of 2 as the last line in config.err

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iamlindoro:

That's harmless, I get that too

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raptorjr:

ok

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raptorjr:

trying make again

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raptorjr:

nope, same error

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iamlindoro:

hrm, dunno then

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raptorjr:

i386/dsputil_mmx.c: In function `flac_compute_autocorr_sse2':

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raptorjr:

i386/dsputil_mmx.c:3013: error: can't find a register in class `GENERAL_REGS' while reloading `asm'

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raptorjr:

seems to be something with ffmpeg?

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iamlindoro:

ffmpeg sync was a month or so ago, and hasn't changed since from what I know... has been compiling ok for me since then, up to this morning

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raptorjr:

well, and for me it compiled nice before this :)

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raptorjr:

actually i didnt have to recompile. the problem i had was that mythfrontend autodiscover couldnt find my backend when i had to restart the frontend, and they are on the same computer

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raptorjr:

so i thought that taking the latest version would fix that

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iamlindoro:

I believe -d turns of autodiscover

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iamlindoro:

er off

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raptorjr:

ok, could try that, would atleast start the frontend. but would be nice to be able to compile again =)

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iamlindoro:

indeed

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Anduin:

raptorjr: can you pastebin the gcc line and error

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raptorjr:

sure

[20:09:42]

raptorjr:

http://pastebin.com/d4ca77320

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Cyrexion:

does anyone know what the absolute path of the web server root directory is for mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

depends on your distro

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iamlindoro:

and has nothing to do with mythtv

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iamlindoro:

For Ubuntu and many other debian based distros, for example, it's /var/www

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iamlindoro:

Keep in mind that mythtv has no web server whatsoever... mythweb is just a series of php scripts that exist on a web server like apache/lighttpd, etc

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clever:

for my redhat9 it was /var/www/html/

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Anduin:

raptorjr: You could try modifying libavcodec.pro something like QMAKE_CFLAGS -= -O3\nQMAKE_CFLAGS += -O2 would let you try less aggressive optimizations (usually the problem was the other way around, -O, -O0, and no -O used to be trouble for some)

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clever:

iamlindoro: theres perl in mythweb also:P

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raptorjr:

thank you Anduin, i'll try

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Cyrexion:

figured it out... thanks, guys

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raptorjr:

Anduin: i have never changed anything in a .pro file before. where should i put these lines?

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Anduin:

raptorjr: at the bottom is fine

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raptorjr:

ok

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raptorjr:

thank you Anduin, that seems to work. got past that error =)

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DustyBin:

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr that GANT theme is horrid

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** DustyBin applies for a patch for that theme to be permanently removed from mythtv **

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xris:

DustyBin: unfortunately a lot of people don't share that opinion

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xris:

(though I don't like it either)

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DustyBin:

:-S

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DustyBin:

my favourite theme is retro

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DustyBin:

quality

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Huijari:

yeah, mine too

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clever:

im using project greyhem on 4 fe's atm

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clever:

are there any scripts to publicly release small bits of your settings table?

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clever:

so a site could know what theme every(who runs the scritp) is using

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clever:

and other settings

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clever:

similar in style to the popcon package in debian based systems(submits all install package names and last access time)

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DustyBin:

ewww i wouldnt touch project greyhem, i think juski has had his claws around those :P

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clever:

lol

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clever:

but if my idea was in myth you could see what theme people perfer

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bsdfox__:

man, I need to upgrade my network to gigabit

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clever:

and posibly update the defaults

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clever:

most of what i do bearly loads 100mbit atm

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clever:

mythtv bearly even uses 1mbit id think

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bsdfox__:

really?

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jams:

clever it's being worked on.

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clever:

checking the bandwidth graph for my master be

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jams:

the bit about sharing information.

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bsdfox__:

I'm receiving 8500k/s right now

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clever:

ahh nice:)

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jams:

http://jmeyer.us/screens/preview3.jpg

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clever:

my master has received about 2mb/sec at one point a few hours ago

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jarle__:

Trying to compile mythtv trunk I am told that I need to have FreeType installed, any help on which Ubuntu package I need to install, as I seem to have several freetype packages?

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clever:

357kb/sec in avg

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jams:

if people will use it or not, i don't know.

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clever:

jams: one of the parts that may be tricky

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clever:

if you submit the settings from each fe

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clever:

the guy with 20 fe's will outvote his neighbor with 1

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bsdfox__:

hehe commercial flagging at 150fps

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jams:

clever- how is that tricky?

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clever:

you would need to summarize all the fe's in each network then avg between them

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jams:

no

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clever:

or the guy who likes ugly themes and has 50 fe's will mess the graph up some

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bsdfox__:

clever: if it's all one backend it should still be accurate

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clever:

im running a slave backend on each of my FE's

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bsdfox__:

I just set that up this morning

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clever:

so it can runs jobs(comm/trans) on all hosts

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bsdfox__:

since I had to move my backend to a pentium 2 :(

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Mybaer:

did I just imagine that there was a place in myth to tell it what remote control to use?

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jams:

Mybaer- yes you did.

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Mybaer:

i see.

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jams:

Myth by itself does not have that ability.

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clever:

something id like to see in the future

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clever:

is binding lirc keys right to actions

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clever:

instead of lirc->keyboardkeys->actions

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jams:

Mybaer- where were you looking?

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Mybaer:

i thought I loaded some config file for lirc that is supposed to work for my remote, but after restarting lirc nothing changed in myth.

[20:53:18]

Mybaer:

not really sure what I didn't do..

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bsdfox__:

clever: yeah I can't get my livetv button working right :(

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clever:

my master cant even handle livetv atm without stuttering

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clever:

frame grabber

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bsdfox__:

ick

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clever:

and for some reason

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clever:

if i try to play a file thats recording from a remote fe

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clever:

it doesnt get enough bandwidth

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clever:

but i can play any other file while recording

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clever:

and i often do it while alot of transcodes run

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clever:

so i know it can handle 4–5 playback streams and a recording stream

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boukmandutty:

having trouble connecting to mythtvbackend at boot

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Mybaer:

well i'm giving up on the remote for now then.

[21:02:24]

boukmandutty:

when i run mythbackend in a terminal however it works

[21:02:27]

boukmandutty:

any ideas?

[21:02:33]

Mybaer:

onto my other issue. why doesn't myth continually pull the EIT ?

[21:02:41]

boukmandutty:

i just did a svn update

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Mybaer:

it grabbed everything for a while there after my channel scan, but now it seems to have stopped.

[21:02:54]

clever:

Mybaer: theres an option to wonder arround eit when its idle

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Mybaer:

what defines it as being idle tho?

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Mybaer:

do I have to stop watching TV?

[21:03:20]

clever:

a set number of minutes i beleive

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clever:

idle asin not using that input to record

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clever:

you can play old files while it scans eit id think

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Mybaer:

oh that's clever. :b

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clever:

its somewhere on the 1st option in mythtv-setup i think

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Mybaer:

thanks, i'll see if that works.

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lightning:

Q. i got into watch tv and get tuner 1 showing. escape out, go back to watch live tv and the screen stays black. if i watch the logging, it eventually times out, startplayer() error about nvp not playing after 20000 msec although the backend logging looks the same between the first and 2nd time. ideas?

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lightning:

using a wintv pvr 500, 1 tuner setup (2nd tuner is not configured), external cable box with mythtv setup to use channel 3 and use an external tuning app to change channels

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boukmandutty:

for tuner one are you using svideo?

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clever:

using svid/composite i think would be better then coax and a 2nd tuner

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boukmandutty:

i agree

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clever:

when i had my frame grabber working in win98 the tuner was horid

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boukmandutty:

it would be even better for you if you had the daughter board

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clever:

could have just been the wrong freq

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boukmandutty:

Q. does anyone know how to get around the backend frontend connection problem with mythtv svn?

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boukmandutty:

anyone had that problem?

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lulzmstr:

mythfrontend -d?

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lulzmstr:

in case its the same problem i encounter ;)

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lightning:

boukmandutty: coax at the moment

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lightning:

but, it works the first time i go into it, the backend says it is tuning to the same channel yet the screen stays black

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boukmandutty:

have you tried v4l2-ctl

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boukmandutty:

?

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lightning:

no, havent heard of it actually

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boukmandutty:

what version of linux are you running?

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lightning:

debian etch

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lightning:

mythtv v0.20.2

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lightning:

so no ideas?

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Newbuntu2:

hello

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Newbuntu2:

what load do the hauppauge cards put on the CPU when encoding? is it the same across the different models? (150, 250, 350, 500)

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lightning:

depends on the card. the 500 does it onboard

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lightning:

so less load

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iamlindoro:

practically nothing with hardware encoders

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iamlindoro:

For example, multiple people run 3–4 hardware encoders on backends < 800 Mhz

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iamlindoro:

Those cards are basically dumping a stream to disk. The I/O overhead is far greater than CPU, and even that is'nt terribly large

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lightning:

hey iamlindoro. maybe you have an idea for my prob?

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iamlindoro:

lightning, let me read back

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DustyBin:

my retro theme main menu font has changed since my previous install, how strange.. the font is now big and ugly :(

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iamlindoro:

lightning, it's not something I'd ever seen before, but I can make a few suggestions

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iamlindoro:

first would be to try updating your ivtv to current svn

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lightning:

i'm about to disable alsa sound and see if it fixes it. it is the last thing the frontend tries to do

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iamlindoro:

second would be updating myth to SVN

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lightning:

k

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iamlindoro:

but that may all be premature... you might want to run backend and frontend with -v all and see *exactly* where it's failing

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iamlindoro:

so you can see verbose logging of any messages

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iamlindoro:

I know in my own case that .20.2 cause multiple prebuffering pauses right at the beginning of watching TV, and updating to SVN across the board fixed them... Not the same problem but in the same vein

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lightning:

i did -v all but didnt pipe it to a log and should have

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lightning:

ok, i have a christmas tree to put up, then i'll update ivtv and mythtv

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iamlindoro:

ok, let us know how it goes, I pop in and out so I'll try to catch up

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lightning:

gotta re-setup the build environment on this computer anyways

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lightning:

ok, 5pm now, probably a good 4 or 5 hours before i'm trying it unless the wife decides diff :P

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stiev3:

any insight on how to deal with the node changing on my firewire connection? Seems to do it on system restarts requiring a change to my priming script.

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stiev3:

firewire connection to HD receiver*

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xris:

stiev3: I find that I have to reset my cable boxes when I reboot my mythbox

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xris:

then the nodes stay the same

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xris:

or you just prime all possible nodes (my boxes are either 1 and 3 or 0 and 2)

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Newbuntu2:

iamlindoro: I thought all hauppauge PVR cards have onboard encoders??

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iamlindoro:

They do. Never said they didn't.

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Newbuntu2:

I'm going to use a PIII dual cpu machine, so I need to minimize cpu load

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iamlindoro:

What I said was because they have hardware encoders, all they do is dump an Mpeg-2 stream to your disk

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Newbuntu2:

my bad. lightning siad "the 500 does it onboard". I guess they all do>

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iamlindoro:

therefore processor usage is practically zero

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iamlindoro:

150, 250, 350, 500, all hardware

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Newbuntu2:

and watching the mpeg2 stream should be the same cpu load as watching a recorded movie, correct?

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iamlindoro:

Right, since you really *are* watching a recorded movie, one way or another

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xris:

Newbuntu2: live stream? probably slightly more more because it's recording and playing at the same time

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xris:

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