Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, November 29th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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black_Nightmare_:

ha..pcchips jeeze

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black_Nightmare_:

*takes an old canon to these and KALBOOOM!*

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black_Nightmare_:

thats all they're worth for....blow up

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black_Nightmare_:

:)

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directhex:

many companies have two brands – thew "real" brand, and the "we don't want to give tech support on this" brand

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directhex:

for example, asus have asrock

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cmoates:

I'd say the same for your macs ;)

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directhex:

asmsung have samtron

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directhex:

now, ecs have pc-chips

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directhex:

think about that for a second. let it sink in

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cmoates:

asus/asrock

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directhex:

ecs, producers of some of the most horribly buggy and unreliable boards ever, consider themselves above releasing X Y Z boards under the ECS brand, and hence have pc chips as a sub-brand for crap.

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm didn't know asrock was related to asus

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black_Nightmare_:

I always thought asrock was a bit weird...

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black_Nightmare_:

all these "cpu adapter" boards...eg adding SKT939 into a SKT754 board

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directhex:

ecs do those too

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directhex:

it's for the peoplewho can't afford Â£30 on a new board when upgrade time rolls round

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black_Nightmare_:

I just don't understand these making any sense but meh I guess to our own :p

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directhex:

they're almost normal

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directhex:

the sick, perverted one was an ECS creation: it could take intel or amd cpus

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mzb_d800:

heh

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directhex:

i.e. socket 939, or socket 755, on the same board

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black_Nightmare_:

trying to reinvent the skt7 your-own-pick-of-cpu-name day huh?

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black_Nightmare_:

seriously tho...

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black_Nightmare_:

I kinda liked skt7 but meh now its vintage :/

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directhex:

it was achieved through use of an enormous daughtercard plugged into a custom connector on the motherboard: http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/200508/e . . . a9s_both.jpg

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black_Nightmare_:

being able to pick several different processors of different design on just one single board

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directhex:

socket 7's not vintage, it's neolithic

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black_Nightmare_:

(not to mention the failed risc one that actually improved office crunching but alas did much poorer in games/etc)

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black_Nightmare_:

neolithic?

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black_Nightmare_:

translate that for me?

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directhex:

stone age

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black_Nightmare_:

heh :P

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directhex:

really, i was still at school when socket 7 went the way of the dodo

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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mzb_d800:

the 8088 was released when I was at school ;P

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black_Nightmare_:

well to our own then I guess

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black_Nightmare_:

but I liked skt7's flexibility

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mzb_d800:

6809 was so much nicer ;)

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mzb_d800:

time to find my walking frame

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** directhex drops a dragon 32 on mzb **

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mzb_d800:

;)

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stiev3:

hmm running mythfilldatabase on my first ever install. Looks like I'm stuck being yelled at about my temporary account with SD. It's asking for december 9th's information, and the temporary thing ends on the 5th. Stuck in a loop, doh.

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mzb_d800:

directhex: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=10

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stiev3:

nevermind

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directhex:

http://www.6809.org.uk/dragon/

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mzb_d800:

nice, except the 6809 was a 16bit cpu (8 bit external)

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directhex:

that's what i started on, computerwise, before we got our first intel

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mzb_d800:

iirc, the E was for external clock

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directhex:

it's a tandy trash-80, but more welsh. give or take. it's partly binary compatible

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mzb_d800:

tandy was z80

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mzb_d800:

horrible thing ;)

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mzb_d800:

in comparison to a military-grade (I'm serious) 6809 CPU

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slango:

where can I find a cheap HD display for a myth box?

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directhex:

sorry, the coco, not the regular trash-80

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slango:

cheap, but good

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directhex:

slango, shop around. depends on the size you want

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directhex:

the coco is 6809

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slango:

aaah

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directhex:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Color_Computer

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slango:

(that was a shriek of terror

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directhex:

slango, right now i think 1080p 37" lcd is the sweet spot in the uk, i can;t comment on hd prices internationally

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slango:

are projectors cheaper than traditional displays?

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directhex:

not in the UK

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directhex:

you can add a 0 to the price of a good value hdtv, to get an hd projector

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slango:

directhex, a 0 in the front?

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slango:

;-)

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directhex:

slango, if only

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** slango cries **

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BULLE:

directhex: only issue is that a 37" is realy to small to realy see the difference between 720p and 1080p, you realy need to go 40+

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directhex:

slango, a 37" 1080p lg is about Â£650, a jvc 1080p projector is about Â£3100

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BULLE:

slango: full hd projectors are still pretty darn expensive ( 1080p )

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BULLE:

directhex: the jvc uses that lcos stuff right ? thats about the best you can get realy

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slango:

directhex, is $:pounds 3:1?

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directhex:

BULLE, it's the smallest (cheapest) size of 1080p screen on the market, and it's barely more than 720p (1366x768, anyway) if you're buying a good brand

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directhex:

slango, 2:1, but keep up with the war, and who knows?

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BULLE:

directhex: =D

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slango:

damn US

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directhex:

BULLE, my tv is 2 years old, and we paid Â£650 for 26" 1366x768. the tech moves fast

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slango:

I wish I was getting a millionth of the war budget back

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directhex:

BULLE, i'm seriously looking at 37" as an upgrade. for one thing, there's an ikea unit i really like which only has room for a 37" screen max. maybe 40" at a push

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slango:

I'll still be quite a happy camper

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BULLE:

slango: you can get 1080p projectors for around 2000 euro

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BULLE:

slango: that are good

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directhex:

slango, pick a desired size, or pick a budget. right now, you're too vague to make a decision

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BULLE:

slango: and around 1000 euro, if you can live with 720p

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slango:

directhex, well, less then about 2 grand

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slango:

US

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slango:

projectors are probably out

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directhex:

2k in yankese? that should get you something pretty good

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directhex:

the market is different n the us, largely because homes are larger

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slango:

directhex, preferably less than 1k

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directhex:

you guys have rear projection, for one thing

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BULLE:

slango: you can get a good 720p projector for 2k usd

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slango:

what is the difference between p and i?

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directhex:

and dlp

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BULLE:

slango: you might have trouble finding any 1080p at that price, and if so, they are most likely not worth it, in terms of crappy optics used to keep the price down

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BULLE:

slango: p for progressive, i for interlaced

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directhex:

http://www.gisdevelopment.net/technology/ip/images/paul_1.jpg

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BULLE:

slango: p is the future, simply put

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directhex:

interlaced on the right ^^

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directhex:

or http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtech/images/resize1.gif as another example

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slango:

how good is 720p? do I need 1080p?

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BULLE:

slango: simply put, i as in interlaced, makes sense if you use old style CRT displays, with electron canons that paint the picture, then its all fine

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mzb_d800:

is there any way that the quality of a framegrabbed (bt878) video is going to approach a direct mpeg2 (dvb-t) ?

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directhex:

mzb_d800, no

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directhex:

mzb_d800, short answer. wasn't that easy!

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BULLE:

slango: but for new technologies, think lcd, plasma, dlp, have problems with interlaced video, and has to convert it to progressive before displaying

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mzb_d800:

I mean ... are there any tunable aspects to the encoding?

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mzb_d800:

directhex: thanks :)

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BULLE:

slango: realy depends on what you mean with "need"

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directhex:

mzb_d800, there are physical limitations on the hardware

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mzb_d800:

so this is a software encoding issue?

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slango:

BULLE, well, how much better is 1080p? I mean, if I go with 780p, am I really missing out?

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BULLE:

slango: in terms of projectors, its like with cameras, max resolution is pretty useless to talk about, its so much more to take into account, like the quality of the optics, the contrast and so on

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mzb_d800:

err ... you're saying this is a bt878 limitation?

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slango:

will I be like "Ahh, crap, this is just an expensive version of my standard def tv."

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BULLE:

slango: i would say, that if you go for 720p and a screen thats like 40" or smaller, the difference is very small, if even noticeable

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slango:

BULLE, alright. That makes sense

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slango:

the camera analogy helps

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directhex:

mzb_d800, aye

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BULLE:

slango: i would pick a 720p screen with good contrast and color reproduction over a screen with 1080p resolution but just average or poor contrast/color

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mzb_d800:

I'm using an old dvb stb (stuck on 1 channel) with svideo to the bt878 ... good picture, but encoded image is less that ideal

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directhex:

mzb_d800, and a pci bus issue, too

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slango:

I tell customers at Office Max that all the time... Sure, you need the 12mp camera... if you are printing 12 by 6 foot photos...

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mzb_d800:

(as a backup tuner for that particular channel)

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mzb_d800:

directhex: so it all comes down to the card?

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BULLE:

slango: and that 12mp sensor comes with optics that cant realy do more then say 8mp or so, under normal useage scenarios

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slango:

BULLE, so if I'm going with a 30–40" 720p screen, what should I expect my pricerange to be in the US?

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BULLE:

slango: no idea, i live in northern europe =D

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slango:

for a good one

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directhex:

mzb_d800, in order to make it look as good as dvb, you'd need to capture 720x576@24bit@25fps. that's more than 878 is designed for, by a long shot

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slango:

oh :-/

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kormoc:

slango, $550 for my 23" 720p

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directhex:

mzb_d800, most 878 cards have an internal limit of 320x240, truth be told

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mzb_d800:

oh, didn't know that ... no tunable aspects I take it?

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slango:

so, an upgrade to lm_sensors broke mythbackend recently. Has the code been updated to use later version of lm_sensors (and therefore, my distro's maintainer is just a slacker), or is that something that's still broken?

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slango:

s/upgrade/update

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directhex:

mzb_d800, there's a reason 878 cards are $20 or thereabouts

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slango:

kormoc, think I can get to 30" for less than a grand?

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kormoc:

slango, perhaps, lots of places have prices listed online

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mzb_d800:

directhex: I guess ... had one floating around, thought I'd better use it ... was just hoping I'd be able to improve the performance (eg. more+bigger buffers or something)

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directhex:

mzb_d800, if framegrabbers could be as good as other cards, they wouldn't be so heavily disrecommended

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mzb_d800:

fair enough

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mzb_d800:

in that case ... is there a way that I can have the bt878 as the preferred input for *that channel* only for watching livetv?

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slango:

how is this whole cable card idea coming along

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slango:

for use with Myth?

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cmoates:

hahahahaha

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directhex:

never happen. ever

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mzb_d800:

(it's locked on one of the digital-only stations we have here ... and the tv in the bedroom relies solely on myth for digital channels)

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directhex:

as per usual, the world has an open spec, so the yanks went for something else

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mzb_d800:

heh

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directhex:

cablecard is tied down, massively, to windows only

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kormoc:

directhex, not entirely true

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directhex:

you'll be lucky to get someone to give you a cablecard for a non-brand-name pc

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kormoc:

if someone wanted to pay the price to license it and write a linux closed sourced app, they could

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mzb_d800:

let me ask that in another way ... can I have a capture device that is preferred for livetv, but not for recording?

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slango:

so my next question would be... what are my options for viewing (and recording) digital cable with Myth?

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kormoc:

slango, in the us? firewire

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cmoates:

or unencrypted qam tuning

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cmoates:

slango, silicondust has a web site to show what you can get by zip code

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cmoates:

http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels

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kormoc:

cmoates, that's not digital cable, right?

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cmoates:

yes it is

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kormoc:

how's it know the cable provider?

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cmoates:

I'd imagine few zip codes have multiple cable providers

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cmoates:

Since it's monopolized in almost every area

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kormoc:

Welp, I know it's wrong for mine. Comcast has very few unencrypted channels that QAM can pick up, and they list 133 of them

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cmoates:

including music channels, most likely

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cmoates:

which accounts for quite a few

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kormoc:

which on my connection are not able to be received

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cmoates:

with a digital card?

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kormoc:

Aye

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cmoates:

Interesting, though you're the first I've heard of that

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cmoates:

I've got quite a few friends doing QAM

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kormoc:

Comcast basic Digital package, I had ~ 2 viewable channels with a air2pc 5000 iirc

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slango:

so digital cable + Myth is pretty much useless at this point?

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cmoates:

For me? Not at all

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kormoc:

slango, not at all, firewire works well if your provider supports it

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slango:

kormoc, what did you mean by firewire?

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cmoates:

I use a pcHDTV 5500 and get ~40 channels over digital cable

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kormoc:

slango, record direct from the cable box via a firewire cable

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cmoates:

Including HD for ABC/NBC/FOX/CBS/PBS/UHD

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slango:

kormoc, do you need an IR blaster? or does it support sending channel chane commands over firewire as well?

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kormoc:

slango, with almost everything, your millage will very wildly, but it's worth trying

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kormoc:

slango, one firewire cable for controlling and recording, if it's a supported box

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kormoc:

slango, the wiki has a good entry on it

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slango:

kormoc, interesting

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slango:

oh crap

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slango:

you need one STB per tuner?

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slango:

:-/

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kormoc:

slango, they're only required to allow it if you have a HD package, and only the OTA stuff, some people get lucky (Seattle area has all but one channel (vh1) via firewire), others not so much

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cmoates:

yes

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kormoc:

Aye, you do

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kormoc:

well, you don't have a tuner anymore with firewire

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kormoc:

the STB *is* the tuner at that point

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slango:

oh, true

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slango:

kormoc, well, that's handy

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slango:

still a pita

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mzb_d800:

ok, I've read something about capturing and encoding to mpeg4 on the fly ... anyone know how this is done?

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slango:

but handy

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fryfrog:

In the Atlanta area, I got *every* channel I paid for over firewire.

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slango:

kormoc, hmm

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kormoc:

mzb_d800, only for framegrabber cards (bttv cards)

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slango:

that is interesting

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cmoates:

do you pay for any premium channels fryfrog ?

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fryfrog:

mzb_d800: with a) a plextor usb that outputs mpeg4 or 2) with a crappy framegrabber and some cpu

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fryfrog:

cmoates: no, so it isn't a great test :(

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fryfrog:

but i got discovery hd and stuff in HD no problem

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mzb_d800:

kormoc: bttv on an athlon64 3200+ (unused when grabbing)

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fryfrog:

course, i canceled it cause firewire from my STB DVR HD sucked

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mzb_d800:

any links|pointers?

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kormoc:

mzb_d800, setup the recording profile to record in mpeg4

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fryfrog:

yar, it isn't tough

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slango:

oh man. I need those premium channels. Can't miss my Entourage

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fryfrog:

instead of "mjpeg" you pick "mpeg4"

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mzb_d800:

ok

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mzb_d800:

thanks

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fryfrog:

slango: i'd try it out, but they cost money :)

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cmoates:

You want premium channels and HD and myth? hee hee

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kormoc:

fryfrog, they don't

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fryfrog:

kormoc: ?

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kormoc:

fryfrog, with a HD sub, they're required to by law provide a working firewire output at no charge to you

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fryfrog:

right, but it doesn't have to output non-encrypted

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kormoc:

correct

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fryfrog:

for the not-fta channels

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fryfrog:

to many negatives there :)

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kormoc:

but it shouldn't cost any more to try

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fryfrog:

oh, well, i'd have to have paid for HBO i mean

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fryfrog:

not for firewire :)

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kormoc:

(other then a firewire card if you don't already have one)

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kormoc:

ahh, right

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fryfrog:

i think i'm gonna re-subscribe to digital hd and pick up a pair of hd *tuners* this time and see if they work better

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emory:

hey all

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mzb_d800:

should have thought of that before ... mpeg4 is much better .. thanks kormoc

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emory:

I have a question, I am changing my listings in mythtv and all of my channels are unassigned now... how do I get them assigned to my tuner?

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mzb_d800:

ie. closer to the quality I get direct off dvb mpeg2

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mzb_d800:

might take a bit of fiddling to get right

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mzb_d800:

hard to test various things, not being able to change channels is a pita ;)

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mzb_d800:

emory: the channels belong to a video source, assign the video source to the tuner (I think I've got the terminology right)

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emory:

mzb_d800: yeah see im using zap2xml now.. so which grabber do I want to use to assign properly?

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mzb_d800:

can't help you there ... that's a different question

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emory:

yeah I'm sick of schedules direct they're totally in-accurate, and I'm not going to pay unless they're accurate

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gbee:

emory: have you reported the problems to them?

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emory:

yeah, they didn't respond, and im unemployed now so I just wanted to stop paying

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gbee:

frankly you aren't going to find a better quality alternative, SD use one of the only two Guide data providors in North America, if their data is inaccurate then everyone elses will be just the same

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gbee:

you might find a free (illegal) alternative though, but you probably won't get much help with that here

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gbee:

if you are receiving ATSC (or DVB) then you can use EIT

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gbee:

which is free and legal, though apparently poor quality and limited to 3/4 days of data over there

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gbee:

elsewhere in the world EIT goes upto 14 days and can be very good in terms of quality

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emory:

zap2it still provides listings as well as a perl script which parses them into mythTV readable xml

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emory:

and its all free... they just didn't want to provide the direct service anymore

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emory:

I mostly have this thing working, all the listings are loaded into the db ... they just aren't associated with my tuner

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GreyFoxx:

emory: If you reported the problem it would be responded too. Everytime

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GreyFoxx:

Assuming you didn't just post it to the forums or something

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GreyFoxx:

there is a "report a problem" link iun your SD login

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GreyFoxx:

and the data is the same data you get from Zap2it since they both come from the same TMS source

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emory:

its not a perfect world and i always have this sort of luck

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emory:

its been several weeks and they dont respond

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emory:

well at least this way I wont be paying for it :)

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GreyFoxx:

How did you report it ?

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GreyFoxx:

If it generated a support ticket I can look it up

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GreyFoxx:

and see if anyone has made comments on the problem or replied

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emory:

i don't have any ticket numbers or anything. I suppose I could submit again

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GreyFoxx:

How did you report it ?

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stiev3:

hmm, backend's running, I'm testing things out with my ubuntu system. Synaptic-manager installed mythtv frontend, it yields a borderless frontend widnow. Possible fixes?

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GreyFoxx:

If you did it via the weblogin I can look that up too if you send me your username or email address

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emory:

emory.penney@gmail.com

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GreyFoxx:

How did you submit the problem?

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emory:

used the web interface

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emory:

you finding it?

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GreyFoxx:

There is no ticket from you (The report a problem link goes directly into the ticket system)

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emory:

well I guess I can submit again ;(

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emory:

I just want accurate listings, and I'd really rather not pay

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GreyFoxx:

If the problem still exists then certainly report it

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emory:

:/

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GreyFoxx:

well zap2xml is not going to give you any more accurate data

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GreyFoxx:

It all comes from TMS

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emory:

well at least its down to 20 a year!

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mattmatteh:

could anyone help with watching tv with mplayer, bt878, ntsc, us-cable ?

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stiev3:

yikes monster screenshot: http://www.easyscreens.info/?v=1432 how does one run mythtv in a bordered desktop window?

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mattmatteh:

i got svideo working, but can not tune any channels

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GreyFoxx:

stiev3: There is a setting to run it in a window

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GreyFoxx:

and in svn at least there is a commandline option for it too

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stiev3:

ah, must be a conflict with my window decorator then.

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DustyBin:

GreyFoxx: why dont you run vserver on your server(s) at home, so you could split up important / not-so-important stuff away from each other but keep them running on the same box

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GreyFoxx:

DustyBin: huh?

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GreyFoxx:

Was that meant for me ?

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DustyBin:

yep

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GreyFoxx:

a: where did that comment come from? And B: how do you know I don't ?

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DustyBin:

..im trying to find people who might of used vserver, i havent found any yet

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** GreyFoxx is a huge vmware fan **

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DustyBin:

no, not vmware

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DustyBin:

linux vserver

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DustyBin:

http://linux-vserver.org

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GreyFoxx:

I know, just stating that I preferred virtualization is done with vmware

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DustyBin:

why?

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DustyBin:

vserver has hardly no overheads

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DustyBin:

it uses the same kernel the host runs on

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GreyFoxx:

I can move a VM from a linux box to a windows box and back and forth. IT's freely available for non commercial uses

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emory:

alrighty well thanks for the help guys, I renewed my SD and at the first in-accuracy i'll submit a ticket :) thanks again

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DustyBin:

vserver is a bit like a advanced chroot but more secure what you can apply a hostname to

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DustyBin:

"enhanced chroot/jail: the Vserver project fixes some fundamental flaws in typical chroot/jails that would otherwise compromise security."

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GreyFoxx:

and I prefer really seperate environments, not just "Fake" seperations as far as an app is concerned

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DustyBin:

"limited resource overhead: unlike similar solutions (UML, Xen), vservers are very efficient and require little additional overhead."

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DustyBin:

ok

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cmoates:

It's far less headache to just get more machines to acccomplish multiple tasks

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DustyBin:

thats not eco friendly

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cmoates:

I didn't realize that was a requirement already

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GreyFoxx:

vmware is a snap to install, and setup. We run like 80 vms

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DustyBin:

the future is, more powerful CPUS, requiring less power, running more machines

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DustyBin:

..ill continue my quest on trying to find a vserver user :P

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GreyFoxx:

I've been doing most of my coding in VM's for years, then moving to the destination machine

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DustyBin:

ok

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cmoates:

I use both xen and vmware, just not at home

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/mythtv-openbsdvm-x11.jpg myth running in an OpenBSD vm ontop of XP years back when I patched it to run on openbsd

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm haven't done an update of that in a while

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... well I'm not sure what the real capture res is, but I've managed to set it at 720x576 @ 4800kb with uncompressed audio .... almost looks like the real thing

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mzb_d800:

bandwidth and cpu peaks out during action though ... might have to bring the bandwidth down ;)

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mzb_d800:

I get the impression that the bandwidth setting represents the maximum supported rate

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cmoates:

gbee, what font did you intend for use with metallurgy?

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gbee:

Bistream Vera Sans

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cmoates:

Thanks :)

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gbee:

should be available in 99% of linux machines, unlike Arial etc

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cmoates:

yeah

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cmoates:

The OSD doesn't scale right for me, for some reason

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gbee:

cmoates: should be updating it early tomorrow with mythvideo fully themed and some other updates/images

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cmoates:

I'll have to see if I can figure out why

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gbee:

cmoates: what version of mythtv are you using?

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cmoates:

svn, from maybe 2 days ago

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gbee:

hmm, 2 days ago you should be fine, if you can get a screenshot I can looking at it tomorrow, I should have been in bed a couple of hours ago

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cmoates:

Oh, it's no rush

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cmoates:

And there's not much to see

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cmoates:

I don't see the seek bar

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sinthetek:

is there a way to keep your lircrc for mythtv seprate from ~/.lircrc?

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sinthetek:

so that i can easily use the remote for other stuff when mythtv isn't running

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cmoates:

I beleive my looks at ~/.mythtv/lircrc by default

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cmoates:

Just that most people symlink ~/.lircrc to the other one

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sinthetek:

actually... will irevent even run while mythtv is running?

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sinthetek:

cmoates: i think i read that mythtv checks both spots

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gbee:

cmoates: just out of interest, could you paste the output of mythfrontend --version?

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cmoates:

But probably only if it doesn't find the other

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cmoates:

sure, gbee, one sec

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sinthetek:

apparently lircd does as well (not sure if that is cuz of env var or what)

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sinthetek:

lircd/irevent*

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sinthetek:

like if i close mythtv, the keys that are mapped to it can't be mapped to other devices in ~/.lircrc

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sinthetek:

eventhough they're seperate files and you'd think irevent would search ~/.lircrc first..

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cmoates:

I've never tried to use lirc for anything but myth, so I'm no help here, I'm afraid

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sinthetek:

i figured since mythbackend runs as a diff user, i could chown the .mythtv/lircrc and chmod u-r it, but that didn't work :P

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sinthetek:

ok, just thought i would ask if anyone had heard of anything like that

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sinthetek:

i may try to see if i can find another remote if this receiver will pick it up

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sinthetek:

i need more since i barely have enough for mythtv on this one and they aren't all intuitive

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mzb:

sinthetek: you can set the commands on a per-application basic

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mzb:

s/basis

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mzb:

ie: prog = mythtv

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sinthetek:

mzb: but not with the same keys

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sinthetek:

s/keys/remote buttons

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mzb:

for each button definition

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mzb:

yes

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mzb:

so for mythtv "CHANDOWN" might be "Down", but for xine "CHANDOWN" might be "PriorMrl"

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sinthetek:

as i said, i barely have enough buttons for mythtv and definately not enough to run much else fully...

[02:42:05]

sinthetek:

hmm...

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sinthetek:

well, that is what i'm trying to figure out

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mzb:

either I've misunderstood your question, or you've not understood my answer :)

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sinthetek:

i understand you with your last statement

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sinthetek:

but when i try to map the key it didn't seem to work...

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sinthetek:

not sure why, i'll try again

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sinthetek:

re-map*

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mzb:

hang on, I'll give you an example via pastebin

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sinthetek:

i did it last night, tried to use volumeup with both myth and irexec/amarok

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sinthetek:

and also up

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sinthetek:

maybe a couple of others (i think i tried like 3–4 at once)

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sinthetek:

www.mentalcases.net/~sinthetek/lircrc

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mzb:

http://openpaste.org/en/4085/

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kormoc:

sinthetek, irevent wouldn't find ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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mzb:

I've actually got two remotes (and receivers) on that box, so there are some seemingly redundant entries

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sinthetek:

www.mentalcases.net/~sinthetek/lircrc-myth

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sinthetek:

(just for examples how i was trying to do it)

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stiev3:

was there a specific installation option I should've selected if I had 2 sata hdd's I wanted myth to use. Seems to be only using one.

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kormoc:

stiev3, it's called using something like RAID or LVM to tie them together into one

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stiev3:

kormoc, thanks I'll look into that.

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sinthetek:

kormoc: that is what was puzzling me...

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sinthetek:

i didn't understand why unless maybe mythtv install added something to /etc/profile for lirc bash var maybe?

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kormoc:

sinthetek, it wouldn't. myth is a lirc client, and thus wouldn't need to

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sinthetek:

i'm going to try it again to verify right now

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sinthetek:

ok, already had a couple in there...

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sinthetek:

k, if you refresh those same links, you will see full lircrcs

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sinthetek:

all of the buttons work fine in mythtv

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sinthetek:

i can start irevent, and it responds to the buttons that aren't mapped already but not those in ~/.mythtv/lircrc for some reason

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sinthetek:

i can start mythtv, do what i want, exit, and start amarok

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sinthetek:

have to get up to turn it off :P but the remote still works fine in myth afterwards

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kormoc:

So what's the problem?

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sinthetek:

rtfb

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kormoc:

whatever

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sinthetek:

i didn't just blow 20 min explaining my problem, and then replicating it to verify it to you, only to have you ask me to re-state it again

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sinthetek:

it's a lot easier to hit pgup twice

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kormoc:

none of your previous statements make much sense to me with what you just said

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sinthetek:

<sinthetek> is there a way to keep your lircrc for mythtv seprate from ~/.lircrc?

[03:09:16]

sinthetek:

<sinthetek> so that i can easily use the remote for other stuff when mythtv isn't running

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sinthetek:

first thing i said

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sinthetek:

<sinthetek> cmoates: i think i read that mythtv checks both spots apparently lircd does as well (not sure if that is cuz of env var or what)

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cmoates:

wait

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** kormoc shrugs **

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cmoates:

Don't bring me into this ;)

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sinthetek:

hah

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kormoc:

lircd doesn't even read the ~/.lircrc files, that's up to the clients, not the daemon

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kormoc:

you stated that with myth running irevent works with non-mapped buttons, as it should

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kormoc:

I'm failing to see how any of this is unexpected

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cmoates:

Yeah, I was getting ready to say... lircd only looks at /etc/lirc/* not ~/.lircrc

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kormoc:

and honestly, my time is better spent elsewhere then trying to drag info out of you

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sinthetek:

if lirc doesn't look in ~/.mythtv/lirc

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cmoates:

irevent, on the other hand is only likely to look at ~/.lircrc and not ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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sinthetek:

how does it know to ignore those buttons?

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cmoates:

Maybe you don't understand the model?

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sinthetek:

i would like to use the *same* buttons in different apps

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sinthetek:

i don't know how many ways to say it

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cmoates:

lircd reads the /etc/lircd.conf and "publishes" button presses to a broadcast list, that any app can subscribe to

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sinthetek:

it is unexpected that i cannot use buttons that aren't being currently used

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sinthetek:

kormoc

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cmoates:

Apps you run, like irevent, look at ~/.lircrc, for entries with prog=... and can choose to respond to those, by subscribing to the lircd's broadcast stream

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sinthetek:

the info is RIGHT THERE

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cmoates:

So you can define a key in lircd's config, but if you don't have a corresponding entry in .lircrc, nothing will happen, and vice versa

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cmoates:

Or you can double-define a key, one for one app, one for the other

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sinthetek:

cmoates: so why does irevent ignore those buttons if it doesn't look in ~/.mythtv?

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cmoates:

And they should play nicely

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kormoc:

because myth when running is intercepting the presses before irevent

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sinthetek:

cmoates: the keys *work*

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sinthetek:

but only for one application at a time

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kormoc:

you can verify that irevent is using ~/.lircrc with strace

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sinthetek:

i would like to use the same keys for another app when mythtv isn't using them

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cmoates:

Yes, it should only be for one app at a time, whichever has focus

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cmoates:

At least, that's how it's seemed to work, to me

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sinthetek:

i figured since mythtv has native lirc support, irevent would be able to handle other stuff with the same keys when mythtv isn't on

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cmoates:

"isn't on" meaning "not running at all" right?

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sinthetek:

kormoc: i've verified it by starting/stoping mythtv and amarok multiple times (as already stated)

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sinthetek:

does that count?

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cmoates:

no

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cmoates:

He's talking about making sure it's reading the right lircrc file

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sinthetek:

the nonmapped keys work fine with irevent

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cmoates:

define nonmapped

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cmoates:

not mapped in mythtv?

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sinthetek:

irevent starts mythtv

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sinthetek:

irevent starts amarok

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sinthetek:

nomapped == not in mythtv's lircrc

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sinthetek:

talk about spoonfeeding, sheesh

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sinthetek:

i think i'm better off on my own

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sinthetek:

ttyl

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kormoc:

sinthetek, as I've stated, myth is grabby

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cmoates:

and button definitions in lircrc are case sensitive

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cmoates:

But hey, if you don't want our help, it won't bother us ;)

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kormoc:

when myth is running, on my box at least, it grabs all the events before mplayer gets them

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** kormoc waves to sinthetek **

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kormoc:

have fun

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cmoates:

kormoc, this is why I decoupled myth from lirc

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cmoates:

and wrote my own handler in between

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kormoc:

I've been meaning to do that, have your handler handy to share?

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cmoates:

maybe sorta kinda ;)

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cmoates:

it uses the telnet interface

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kormoc:

hehe

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kormoc:

ahh

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cmoates:

and it's proof of concept

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kormoc:

I'm just gonna send raw keypresses

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cmoates:

to X?

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kormoc:

yeah

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cmoates:

ahh

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cmoates:

I thought about that

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kormoc:

that way focus always wins

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cmoates:

My method has advantages and disadvantages

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sinthetek:

kormoc

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sinthetek:

i've said 'when i'm not using mythtv' several times

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cmoates:

biggest disadvantage is I can't use external players easily

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sinthetek:

ie mythfrontend

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cmoates:

But I can ask myth what screen it's on, so I can have context-sensitive remote buttons

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kormoc:

sinthetek, and in your 'spoonfeeding' you never mentioned that you turned off myth

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sinthetek:

i'm not using it while mythfrontend is running

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kormoc:

cmoates, ahh, you can with myth's key editor too, to a point

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cmoates:

sinthetek, can we look at one single button that isn't working?

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cmoates:

Yeah but then you have to map keys smartly

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cmoates:

Instead of just sending the command you want

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kormoc:

true enough

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cmoates:

it also allowed me to make volume keys on the myth remote send IR events to the TV or stereo

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cmoates:

instead of manipulating sound in myth, for example

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cmoates:

(or dimming my lights for "watch dvd" mode after 8pm)

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kormoc:

my remote has programmable volume and power buttons for the tv

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kormoc:

so that works well for me

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sinthetek:

cmoates: i don't see any discrepencies in button names. i'm sure if *all* of the button names were bad i would have noticed that too...

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cmoates:

yeah

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sinthetek:

cmoates: they are all in those lircrc urls...

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sinthetek:

http://www.mentalcases.net/~sinthetek/lircrc

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kormoc:

sinthetek, start small and setup a single button in both configs

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sinthetek:

http://www.mentalcases.net/~sinthetek/lircrc-myth

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cmoates:

sinthetek, what about lircd.conf

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sinthetek:

....

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sinthetek:

ok

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sinthetek:

*all* of the buttons in lircrc-myth work

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cmoates:

but only while myth is running, right?

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sinthetek:

yes, and only with myth

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cmoates:

i.e. they don't try to do anything funny to your other apps

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sinthetek:

they don't work at all with any other apps

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sinthetek:

but other buttons on the remote do work with other apps

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sinthetek:

just not the ones that are lircrc-myth

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sinthetek:

no

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sinthetek:

it really isn't a mythtv problem, i shouldn't bug you guys with it i'm sorry

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cmoates:

So why not temporarily rename the myth-lircrc file and see if the problem goes away?

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sinthetek:

just thought you guys are more active than in lirc channel so i'd check in here really quick if anyone had similar expereinces

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sinthetek:

cmoates: i think i did try that last night, but i'll do it again to verify...

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cmoates:

I have not had any problem similar to your experience

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cmoates:

kormoc, interesting that you're interested in focus, that's exactly why I chose not to use X events

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cmoates:

I didn't want keypresses from the remote randomly doing other things

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sinthetek:

wtf, still doesn't work...

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mzb:

I heard about the focus problems, and it was quoted as one of the reasons to use a wm, however I've had no such issues

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sinthetek:

so it's not because of ~/.mythtv/lircrc... i guess the dcop commands could have changed since the docs i read were made?

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cmoates:

Could be

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mzb:

I'm using dual remotes + receivers without a wm (and using xine for random playback of music videos)

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cmoates:

You could test that by making one of the amarok-control buttons do something else like fire up solitaire

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mzb:

as I'm only using lirc, I guess focus doesn't come into it

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cmoates:

yeah it wouldn't

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cmoates:

Since they subscribe to the lircd output stream

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cmoates:

they meaning your lirc-enabled apps, of course

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mzb:

yep

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sinthetek:

dcop commands worked from the prompt :\

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sinthetek:

somehow i don't think solitair would work...

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cmoates:

Why wouldn't it? It's not any different than launching mythfrontend

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cmoates:

and you said that works

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sinthetek:

ok, only diff between those commands apparent is the full path

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cmoates:

so try full path :)

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sinthetek:

i'm about to

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cmoates:

How does myth determine the order of channels in the program guide, any clue?

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cmoates:

My channels are not numerically or alphabetically ordered

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lucidblue:

hey all, is there a way I can make mplayer play the audio through the pvr-350 tv-out stuff? I think it's /dev/video16 for audio

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cmoates:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-350

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cmoates:

I don't use a PVR-350

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cmoates:

But it says there audio only comes from mpeg2 files

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cmoates:

Might that be your problem?

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lucidblue:

hmmm.. interesting.. well, I've got the liveTV and recorded stuff comming through the composite, so if I can't use the myvideos through it, I'll just have to use the stereo..

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lucidblue:

but, i think I can import a video into the 'recorded programs' and can play that through the tv-out (but I'll have to test that, I may be full of it)

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lucidblue:

... come to think of it, I don't know if I tried that after I got knoppmyth setup with the tv-out...

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cmoates:

It sounds like the pvr-350 does it's own decoding of the mpeg2 file

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cmoates:

And magically outputs audio from that

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cmoates:

So the only way to play other things would be to convert them to mpeg2 maybe?

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cmoates:

I don't know for sure, but that page seems like it might at least get you in the right direction

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lucidblue:

yah, I think that might be the case, if I import a file into the 'recorded shows' and that doesn't work either, that'll be the case, but it's not too hard to hit the 'power' button on the stereo :)

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sinthetek:

cmoates: i've seen a setting for that somewhere (i think) but i don't remember where exactly

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sinthetek:

it asks whether you want guide to display the station name or just the number etc... i think it was on that same dialog

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lucidblue:

I've seen that too, it's somewhere in appearance -> tv settings -> playback I think... near the osd stuff (I think)

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cmoates:

sinthetek, for whatever reason, opening the channel editor and exiting it again fixed it

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cmoates:

It's now ordered by number which is fine

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sinthetek:

cmoates: word

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sinthetek:

i got irexec to work right finally

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sinthetek:

i think the whole thing is from splicing different lircrcs and partly from not understanding exactly how it works

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sinthetek:

i think the dcop commands were copied from someone using irxevent maybe...something that doesn't require full path

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cmoates:

So it was pathing issues

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sinthetek:

for all i knew, lirc had it's own dcop interface of some sort, hah

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cmoates:

You give lirc too much credit ;)

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sinthetek:

i didn't know you could use dcop command like that :P. i thought it was just like a kde ipc api

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sinthetek:

well, i guess it is

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sinthetek:

but i mean i didn't know there was a cli for it, heh

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cmoates:

yeah

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cmoates:

And you gave us all that grief for nothing :)

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sinthetek:

whatever! you guys gave me 10x more grief!

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sinthetek:

my hand is still tired from all that typing! :P

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cmoates:

Not everyone is always tuned in

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cmoates:

And I'm definitely not one to read backscroll

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sinthetek:

i'm not one to like repeating myself always...

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sinthetek:

especially after the 2nd or 3rd time

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cmoates:

Understandable

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cmoates:

But you have to remember, we do this all day long ;)

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sinthetek:

if you see 'i just said...' more than a couple of times, it probably is nice to do the poor guy a favor :P

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cmoates:

I'll read about 100 lines back

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sinthetek:

i know, i did/do similar (on & off)

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cmoates:

Any farther than that, and it's easier to ask again, especially since I usually track along a different thought path anyhow

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cmoates:

much like asking you to move the mythtv lircrc

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cmoates:

I'm pretty sure you hadn't previously discussed that

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sinthetek:

on undernet help channels i hang out in are mostly idle these days though

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cmoates:

undernet still exists?

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cmoates:

heh

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cmoates:

I haven't connected there in probably 8+ years

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sinthetek:

hehe, yeah

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sinthetek:

right around the time i started prolly, hah

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sinthetek:

regarding lircrc, i didn't mention it in here

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cmoates:

There weren't separate nets when I started ;)

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sinthetek:

moving it, that is

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cmoates:

right

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cmoates:

So even if I had read the scroll back it wouldn't have helped :)

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stiev3:

hmm before I make a second attempt at this with a different tutorial, I just want to confirm that there's no gui LVM walkthrough under advanced settings on a mythbuntu install is there?

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sinthetek:

but i did mention chmod -r'ing it (making it inaccessible to mythfrontend and irexec) :P

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sinthetek:

i *thought* i remembered (though didn't mention) the remote working when it was inaccessible

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cmoates:

stiev3, I'm not sure, what are you aiming to do

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sinthetek:

but when i moved the file, i found i was wrong

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sinthetek:

s/was wrong/must have been wrong ;)

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cmoates:

I always move files rather than mess with permissions

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cmoates:

It's less prone to error

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sinthetek:

i was hoping to keep .mythtv/lircrc inaccessible to irexec at the time :P

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cmoates:

Sure

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stiev3:

cmoates, fairly noob, but the goal is to have myth using two hdd's. Reading around, and asking in here, I'm guessing that means I need to make an lvm partition that spans both drives? Was just wondering if that option is in advanced settings, or should I be following these dated terminal based guides I'm finding.

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sinthetek:

but still accessible by mythfrontend

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cmoates:

and you probably did

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cmoates:

ah

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cmoates:

I'm a one-step-at-a-time person

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cmoates:

So I wouldn't have needed to do both

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sinthetek:

...

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sinthetek:

that was one step in a series of like 500

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cmoates:

hehe

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cmoates:

I would have removed the file from view entirely, before trying to get myth to read one while irexec read the other

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cmoates:

You see that as one step, I see it as two

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cmoates:

No biggie

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cmoates:

stiev3, the "dated" terminal stuff is probably right. It's not overly hard

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sinthetek:

'hmm mythbackend runs as 'mythtv', maybe if mythbackend handles ir interface...'

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cmoates:

sinthetek, that adds potential complication that you can avoid by doing it in 2 steps

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sinthetek:

yeah, i did make the assumption it was reading .mythtv/lircrc

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cmoates:

Again, not a big deal

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cmoates:

I troubleshoot problems I don't have documentation on probably 20–30 hours a week

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cmoates:

So I'm a very step-by-step person

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sinthetek:

yeah, sometimes i do operate under premise more than i should

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stiev3:

cmoates, ok thanks eliminates uncertainty somewhat. now it's just a matter of following instructions.

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sinthetek:

unintentionally half of the time, hah

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cmoates:

stiev3, I've done a fair amount of LVM

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cmoates:

stiev3, you can verify what you're going to do here if you want

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stiev3:

cmoates, the plan is to use: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-install-ubuntu-over-lvm-filesystem with a mythbuntu live cd and hope I don't fat finger anything like i did before.

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cmoates:

You already have mythbuntu installed

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cmoates:

?

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stiev3:

affirmative, but nothing important on it... an experimental machine. But I was on a roll with another tutorial, but my last few steps' results diverged so much... I got the feeling it was time to start fresh haha.

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stiev3:

not all that good at backtracking

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cmoates:

hm

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cmoates:

well

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cmoates:

How many disks are in this box of yours? 3?

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cmoates:

or 2?

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stiev3:

2

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Viaken:

So what are the chances of me picking up one of those cheap USB IR recievers and having it work for me? :P

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Viaken:

Or am I going to have to make my own to be sure?

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cmoates:

viaken if it's an "irda" reciever it won't work

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cmoates:

stiev3, ideally, you want to set your myth box up with a few partitions

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Viaken:

fair enough

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cmoates:

one for the main OS

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cmoates:

and "one" for the myth storage

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cmoates:

the storage one can be an LVM

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cmoates:

So, if you want to do the LVM thing, you could do it with the OS and all, but I'd recommend something like (assuming 2 250GB disks):

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cmoates:

disk 1: 18GB partition for the OS, 2GB for swap, 230GB for myth storage

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cmoates:

disk 2: 230GB for myth storage

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cmoates:

Then, install Mythbuntu, get it up and running on the 18GB partition

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cmoates:

Then create the LVM from inside of mythbuntu

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cmoates:

stiev3, did that make sense?

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stiev3:

cmoates, that sort of division does sound ideal. I have 2 500gb's to work with.

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cmoates:

Ok, that works

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Viaken:

cmoates: So do you have a recommendation for a reciever? I've not had luck going through the list on LIRC's website...

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cmoates:

Either way, get the ubuntu working in a "small" partition

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cmoates:

Then after it's working you can "tack on" the LVM

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cmoates:

But if you leave the LVM out of the base OS part of the equation, it will be less complicated

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cmoates:

Viaken, there's a web site, something lizard?

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cmoates:

iguanaworks.com I think

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cmoates:

make that iguanaworks.net

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cmoates:

They sell both USB and serial, and they work well with myth

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Viaken:

Awesome. :) Thanks!

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stiev3:

cmoates, ok so get mythbuntu rolling on its own small partition is my first goal.

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cmoates:

stiev3, yes

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stiev3:

cmoates, not sure what you meant by 2gb swap however, is that another partition?

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cmoates:

stiev3, "swap" is virtual memory for linux

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cmoates:

It needs it's own partition. How much memory is in your system?

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cmoates:

Mythbuntu probably set that up for you automatically, the last time around

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cmoates:

Generally speaking you want twice as much swap as actual memory

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stiev3:

alright, so I can assume that it's coming automatically. I believe I'm working with 2gb

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cmoates:

stiev3, well, hopefully, with this information, it'll make more sense as you go through the setup

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cmoates:

So with 2GB of memory I'd go with 4GB of swap

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cmoates:

The disks are 500GB, so 4GB isn't a big deal

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bsdfox:

you don't need 4gb swap :P

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xris:

cmoates: more than a gig of swap is overkill

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cmoates:

xris, why do you think that?

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cmoates:

for a myth box, that might be true, of course, for a myth box, any swap is a bad idea, IMO

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xris:

just a rule that I've learned from some good sysadmins over the years.

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mzb_d800:

cmoates: sounds like you've got some remnants of M$ howtos left over ;)

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xris:

if you're swapping a gig of RAM, something else needs to be fixed with your system

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xris:

the general rule is "double the RAM, up to a gig"

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cmoates:

unless you're rescaling 2GB tiff files

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xris:

cmoates: if you're rescaling 2G tiff files, you should put more RAM into your machine

[05:07:58]

cmoates:

Yes and no

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cmoates:

I do this from time to time, but only occasionally

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xris:

like I said.. sign of something else needing to be fixed.

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xris:

if you have a special need, that's different than the general rule

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cmoates:

I don't justify the extra RAM costs vs the slight slowness once in awhile

[05:08:22]

cmoates:

And yes

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cmoates:

You're right

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cmoates:

disk space is so cheap, I've just always used the double-ram rule

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xris:

I just don't like to give my machines the excuse to swap.

[05:09:12]

cmoates:

I can't think of any harm that comes from too much swap

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cmoates:

Oh, indee

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cmoates:

d

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cmoates:

2GB ram is minmum in my book, nowadays

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cmoates:

4GB is preferable

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xris:

but it's easy enough to just add more swap files if necessary

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cmoates:

also true

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CCFL_Man2:

hey guys

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CCFL_Man2:

whats a good hdtv stb?

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cmoates:

where are you located?

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ARfdee:

hi

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ARfdee:

when i use S to browse channels, how do i have it turn to the channel i select

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stiev3:

ok I think I'm back at square one now, 18gb partition, 4gb swap, rest free. mythbuntu alive, mythtv unconfigured.

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cmoates:

ok

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cmoates:

ARfdee, in live tv?

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ARfdee:

yes, when you hit S, it lets you browse channels

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cmoates:

I'm not sure what the key is to jump to the selected channel, unfortunately :(

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stiev3:

ARfdee, enter maybe?

[06:02:21]

ARfdee:

nope

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ARfdee:

enter goes to options for it

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cmoates:

stiev3, first things first

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cmoates:

You need to create partitions on both disks, that you want to add to the LVM

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cmoates:

did you do that during the install?

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RyeBrye:

why do an LVM when you could just use storage groups for Myth

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cmoates:

He's not on 0.21

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stiev3:

cmoates, I only deleted all the old partitions, made one new 18gb, one 4gb... left the rest alone

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cmoates:

ok

[06:05:09]

cmoates:

So you need to create those other partitions then

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cmoates:

Any particular tool you are comfortable with to do that?

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RyeBrye:

oh, gotcha

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bsdfox_:

is there a way to dedicate one tuner to livetv?

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cmoates:

ARfdee, try "M"

[06:07:02]

cmoates:

ARfdee, that seems to work for me, I found it on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Keybindings

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stiev3:

cmoates, honestly, this would be the first time... but I don't want to flood the place with my noobishness...

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stiev3:

cmoates, so if it's google'able Im all for that.

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pembo13:

is it possible to run mythfrontend without a desktop environemtn?

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RyeBrye:

pembo13, afaik – yes – but I've never done it

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RyeBrye:

pembo13 – I've heard you can just run it with X

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pembo13:

RyeBrye: i thought so, just have no idea how

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cmoates:

pembo13, no desktop environment, or no X11 at all?/

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pembo13:

cmoates: no DE

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cmoates:

How does your myth start up, right now?

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pembo13:

cmoates: it doesn't.... just installing the frontend on a machine

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cmoates:

Well

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cmoates:

Normally, your X11 when it starts up will look at one of two files

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cmoates:

.xinitrc and .xsession

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cmoates:

Which contain commands about what needs to run when a particular user starts up X

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cmoates:

So, in that file, instead of, say, "startkde" you'd just put in there "mythfrontend"

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defaultro:

hey folks, need help. What tool can I use to downsample an mp3 file to 22khz, mono/

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pembo13:

cmoates: good point, thanks

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cmoates:

defaultro, hmm

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cmoates:

lame?

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defaultro:

ok, let me search for it. Thanks

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iamlindoro:

ffmpeg

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iamlindoro:

ffmpeg -i infile.mp3 -ac liblame -ab 22000 -o outfile.mp3

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iamlindoro:

they keep renaming the ac's, though, so it may be liblame, may be lame, may be mp3...

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iamlindoro:

ah, it's libmp3lame

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iamlindoro:

so -ac libmp3lame

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iamlindoro:

anyway, that ought to work

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iamlindoro:

actually ffmpeg -i infile.mp3 -acodec libmp3lame -ac 1 -ab 22000 -o outfile.mp3

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defaultro:

cool

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defaultro:

let me try that

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defaultro:

I changed -ab to -b and it worked

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iamlindoro:

yeah, typo

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defaultro:

also 22000 to 220k

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iamlindoro:

sorry

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defaultro:

:) no worries

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iamlindoro:

thought you wanted a 22Khz bitrate?

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defaultro:

yeah

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defaultro:

file size is half now

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defaultro:

:D

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defaultro:

is 22k good for streaming?

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defaultro:

or should I aim for 16k

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iamlindoro:

Lots of streams are 128, 22 is tiny

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defaultro:

k

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RyeBrye:

sampling frequency or bitrate?

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defaultro:

hmm :P

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defaultro:

maybe bitrate

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RyeBrye:

keep the sampling rate at 44 or whatever

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RyeBrye:

and adjust the bitrate

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defaultro:

this is my source, Stream #0.0: Audio: mp3, 44100 Hz, stereo, 128 kb/s

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RyeBrye:

128k is fine for streaming

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RyeBrye:

that's not streaming well?

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defaultro:

i wanted to make the file smaller

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RyeBrye:

you can cut it to mono and drop it to 64 kb/s

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defaultro:

it's currenlty at 5mb

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

and output now is

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defaultro:

Stream #0.0: Audio: libmp3lame, 44100 Hz, mono, 64 kb/s

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defaultro:

which I think is better

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defaultro:

like what you said, 44k

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RyeBrye:

yeah, keep that

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defaultro:

cool

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defaultro:

it's downto 2.2 mb

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RyeBrye:

if there is an option to do variable bit rate stuff, do that

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defaultro:

k

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RyeBrye:

that can possibly reduce it more

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defaultro:

wow, sound is still nice

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defaultro:

im playing it locally

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RyeBrye:

yeah, the sound would be the same quality – just no stereo

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RyeBrye:

1 channel versus 2

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defaultro:

yep

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navreet:

can anyone tell me what it means to 'set to "pcm out"' on this page? http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/DigitalOut

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Floppe:

i'll could give it a try.. there's one iec958 "column" in alsamixer where there's no bar, only the text pcm, analog1 etc.. which should say pcm

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Floppe:

would it be possible to have FE mythvideo use the dvd player from BE server?

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ikke_:

anyone here knowing about blootube-wide? there's a bug...

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directhex:

ikke_, poke justinh when he appears

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ikke_:

directhex: thanks, i thought it was him doing themes...

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navreet:

anyone here use spdif sound out?

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directhex:

aye

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pembo13_com:

how do i troubleshoot mythfrontend simply not connecting to teh database?

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pembo13_com:

even though the database is on localhost, and other machines can conbnect to it

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pembo13_com:

and there are no errors in the log

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stiev3:

pembo13, separate backend / frontend?

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pembo13_com:

stiev3: i was trying tod

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pembo13_com:

to do that

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pembo13_com:

i ahve front/backend working perfectly on one machine

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pembo13_com:

the database is just on another machine

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pembo13_com:

now i'm trying to get the frontend working on the machine whcih has the database

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pembo13_com:

and mythfront end refuses to connect

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pembo13_com:

i never expected this of all issues

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stiev3:

pembo13_com, only really know the obvious: database password and ip addresses match?

[09:03:18]

pembo13_com:

localhost mythtv mythtv, it should at least give me a diff error message if the password doesn't match

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stiev3:

pembo13_com, you mentioned localhost... your backend needs a static ip address

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pembo13_com:

stiev3: i haven't gotten as far as connecting to teh backend yet

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pembo13_com:

i'm just trying to connect ot the mysql database

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pembo13_com:

which is on the same machine as the frontend

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pembo13_com:

is there no way to get more info out of mythfrontend?

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pembo13_com:

i just created a new database user

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pembo13_com:

and grated it inser/select/update on the database

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pembo13_com:

no go

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pembo13_com:

i can telnet into the db

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doje:

if you run mythfrintend from a terminal, it writes things out there

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doje:

sometimes you can see an error there

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pembo13_com:

doje: that's what i did

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doje:

pembo13_com: so the other machine connects to the db ok – same username ?

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pembo13_com:

doje: yes

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doje:

hmm, let me check my mysql setup...

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pembo13_com:

doje: it's no mysql

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pembo13_com:

doje: mysql is working fine

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pembo13_com:

all frontend is saying is query was SELECT NULL;

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doje:

pembo13_com: can you connect to mysql using mysql command line using that username ?

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pembo13_com:

doje: will try

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pembo13_com:

doje: yes, works fine

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doje:

and you have a ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt file right ?

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pembo13_com:

doje: yes, mythfrotnend created it

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doje:

with: DBHostName=localhost ?

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pembo13_com:

doje: yes, i've checked all the obvious things

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doje:

sorry, just wanted to ask

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pembo13_com:

i think i found the problem... confirming....

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pembo13_com:

problem found

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pembo13_com:

bad packaging

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doje:

what was it ?

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pembo13_com:

and bad coding

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pembo13_com:

it didn't have the mysql driver

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pembo13_com:

never said so

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doje:

ah

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pembo13_com:

and it showed mysql as option

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pembo13_com:

i had to seperately install qt-MySQL

[09:22:18]

pembo13_com:

why it doesn't just check for the driver first is beyond me

[09:22:24]

pembo13_com:

30 mins wasted

[09:22:37]

doje:

yeah, I had a problem like that i think

[09:23:19]

doje:

it was so long ago now, but I probably wasted just as much time on that one :)

[09:23:43]

pembo13_com:

doje: i'm pretty sure qt has a function to check that the driver exists

[09:23:46]

pembo13_com:

anyways

[09:23:57]

pembo13_com:

how do i specify the backend IP address?

[09:24:32]

doje:

i think it's in setup – if it's connected to the db it should get it from there i think

[09:24:47]

doje:

from the frontend, go into setup

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doje:

I know myth can run multiple backends, so I assume it stores all that in the db

[09:26:17]

doje:

is it not working ?

[09:26:43]

pembo13_com:

no

[09:26:48]

pembo13_com:

but i fixed that prob

[09:26:58]

pembo13_com:

it was set to 127.0.1

[09:27:01]

pembo13_com:

ifixed that

[09:27:12]

pembo13_com:

i can see the recorded shows now

[09:27:20]

pembo13_com:

but they aren't playing... what could it be now

[09:27:52]

doje:

probably a codec issue if i had to guess

[09:28:15]

doje:

do you just get a black screen ?

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pembo13_com:

hmm, loooks like something is stil trying to connect to 127.0.0.1

[09:28:36]

doje:

127.0.0.1 = localhost

[09:28:46]

doje:

that's the loopback address

[09:29:18]

doje:

oh, I think you have to reconfig the backend

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pembo13_com:

doje: i bypassed

[09:29:35]

pembo13_com:

just edditing it directly in the db

[09:29:45]

pembo13_com:

think i just missed a field

[09:29:54]

doje:

pembo13_com: you are brave !

[09:30:22]

pembo13_com:

doje: i mean, for lack of a more modest terminology, i'm not new to this

[09:30:39]

pembo13_com:

Atrpms has failed me again im their mythtv packaging

[09:30:42]

pembo13_com:

need to file some tickets

[09:31:03]

pembo13_com:

seems like i can view recordings, just need to try live tv now

[09:31:04]

doje:

what distro are you using ?

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pembo13_com:

doje: centos 5 for th efrontend and database

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pembo13_com:

fedora 7 for the backend and other frontend

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pembo13_com:

i'm on what was supposed to be my home server, centos 5

[09:32:00]

pembo13_com:

but it's close to my tv, so i figur ei might as well use it as a front end also

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pembo13_com:

had to install x server and window manager

[09:32:44]

pembo13_com:

using fluxbox.. never have before

[09:33:00]

pembo13_com:

one prob is that its taskbar is floating over even mythtv, not sure how to fix that yet

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doje:

I'm running openSUSE on all my machines here at home

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pembo13_com:

doje: cool, never tried it myself, been using rh/fedora/centos ever since i started linux

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pembo13_com:

my next challange is to get a darn widescreen resolution on this video card

[09:34:48]

doje:

LOL

[09:34:51]

pembo13_com:

that's for a nother night, and hours over due for bed

[09:34:57]

doje:

I gave up on that

[09:35:15]

pembo13_com:

widescreen tv, cheap embedded video card refuses to cooperate

[09:35:28]

pembo13_com:

doje: think i'll just get a cheap low profile agp card

[09:35:43]

pembo13_com:

so for now i'm watching stretched tv

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doje:

I have an Nvidia connected to a DLP – never got the native TV res to work

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doje:

the card is a bit old

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doje:

I understand you have to go into xorg.conf and mess with refresh rates and stuff

[09:37:45]

ikke_:

justinh: is it too early for questions why blootube-wide crashes mythtv?

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doje:

I also read you can damage your TV with bad values

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justinh:

themes don't crash mythtv

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pembo13_com:

doje: you can, that's why i hope to just get a card that has the res

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[09:39:24]

doje:

pembo13_com: I think the card will do it, the problem is with the plug-and-play (or whatever it's called)

[09:39:28]

ikke_:

justinh: ok, I just got this warning right before mythtv crashes, and it does not do it with another theme: /trans-mv-mselect.png is missing

[09:39:45]

justinh:

oh well hard luck

[09:40:05]

ikke_:

so you think it's unrelated?

[09:40:18]

justinh:

where did you get that version of the theme from?

[09:40:25]

ikke_:

in that case i'll check the core dump

[09:40:27]

ikke_:

trunk

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doje:

pembo13_com: might be my TV too, it has a "PC" mode and a "TV" mode. In TV mode, you don't see the text screen as linux boots

[09:40:51]

pembo13_com:

doje: i see, i'm using my pc mode to, xorg isn't autodetecting it's specs

[09:40:52]

justinh:

ikke_: trunk from when? trunk has had some updates which are going to break themes :(

[09:40:55]

pembo13_com:

i think it's just cheap design

[09:41:40]

ikke_:

justinh: current one is about week old, maybe less. the previous was few weeks old. both had the problem

[09:41:58]

justinh:

raise a ticket for themes in svn

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ikke_:

justinh k.

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pembo13_com:

doje: now i have to go restore all of the security i freed trying to troubleshoot this prob

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ikke_:

ok

[09:42:23]

doje:

pembo13_com: did you have the problem where the fonts were super tiny ?

[09:42:25]

justinh:

I don't have a box running trunk so I can't fix/test it

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pembo13_com:

doje: no, but i'm at 800x600, things are actually a bit on the big side

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justinh:

ikke_: if anything, it's usually missing containers & text areas that break stuff, causing mythfrontend to segfault but you usually get a warning about it. missing images don't generally cause segfaults though

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ikke_:

justinh: the something-neon theme at least works ok, so in the meanwhile i swithced to it. nice themes both

[09:43:45]

pembo13_com:

doje: didn't even have a keyboard for this machine

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ikke_:

justin: MythThemedMenuPrivate: Unknown tag image in background

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justinh:

ikke_: like I said a simple missing image shouldn't cause a segfault

[09:44:04]

ikke_:

Killed

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justinh:

oh ffs

[09:44:30]

justinh:

ikke_: is that in a plugin or something?

[09:44:37]

justinh:

or just mythfrontend?

[09:44:56]

ikke_:

justinh: yep, trying to enter into video settings.

[09:45:11]

ikke_:

gui hangs for couple of minutes, and dies

[09:45:21]

justinh:

right I'll have a look at it

[09:45:23]

doje:

pembo13_com: google EDID — it's a sort of PnP for displays.

[09:45:41]

ikke_:

I'll do the ticket so you will get the log...

[09:45:41]

pembo13_com:

doje: cool

[09:45:54]

Dibblah:

BTW, for anyone netbooting clients. XFS and NFS do not play well together using 2.6.24-rc1–3 :(

[09:45:57]

pembo13_com:

doje: i see you can use a wii controller with mythtv, happen to try that?

[09:46:08]

justinh:

I've been HOPING that I could hold off any theme updates til more code is ported to mythui but folks can't resist fixing stuff (and breaking themes). GRrrrr

[09:46:38]

doje:

pembo13_com: I don't have a wii. I have an ATI remote wonder – it's RF and works pretty well

[09:47:25]

doje:

pembo13_com: I didn't know that though – sounds cool

[09:47:39]

pembo13_com:

doje: how do you connect it to the box? the ATI remote?

[09:47:52]

Dibblah:

Oh, and XVMC _doesn't_ work with this Intel card.

[09:47:59]

doje:

pembo13_com: they're USB

[09:48:08]

Dibblah:

The log is... Misleading to say the least.

[09:48:22]

doje:

pembo13_com: works with LIRC

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pembo13_com:

doje: oh sweet

[09:49:02]

pembo13_com:

doje: i'll definitely have ot look that up

[09:49:44]

doje:

pembo13_com: Firefly''s are supposed to be really nice – not sure if they work with myth, but odds are they do

[09:50:00]

pembo13_com:

doje: the ati remotes seem cheap at ebay

[09:50:38]

doje:

pembo13_com: be advised: there are different versions of those things

[09:50:49]

pembo13_com:

doje: what version do you recoomend?

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pembo13_com:

recommend*

[09:51:41]

doje:

pembo13_com: I think there's just two versions – I would say do some google-ing for the remote and LIRC

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Dibblah:

I really like (and hate to admit it) the MCE remote / receiver.

[09:51:55]

pembo13_com:

doje: cool

[09:52:10]

Dibblah:

Well supported, just works.

[09:52:14]

pembo13_com:

doje: moriarty

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pembo13_com:

doje: sorry,

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pembo13_com:

doje: http://cgi.ebay.com/NIB-NEW-ATI-Remote-CONTRO . . . cmdZViewItem

[09:53:32]

doje:

pembo13_com: shipping is kinda steep

[09:53:51]

justinh:

that's a great way to make money on ebay :D

[09:53:58]

pembo13_com:

doje: yah, but does it look right? i'm not going to buy it now, will jsut watch it

[09:55:06]

doje:

pembo13_com: that one is nearly identical to what i have – the big round button on mine doesn't have that big black bar printed on it

[09:55:19]

pembo13_com:

where do mplayer codecs go again? /usr/lib/codecs ?

[09:56:14]

Dibblah:

Doesn't matter – Myth doesn't use them.

[09:56:23]

doje:

pembo13_com: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI_Remote_Wonder

[09:56:26]

Dibblah:

Internally, anyway.

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pembo13_com:

Dibblah: going to try mythvideo

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pembo13_com:

doje: thank you

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doje:

pembo13_com: np

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Dibblah:

mythvideo can use the internal player as well.

[09:57:52]

** Dibblah is losing track of what is SVN functionality :( **

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doje:

pembo13_com: maybe both versions work then

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pembo13_com:

doje: cool, was pondering what to do in terms of remote, you save me the resaech

[09:59:12]

pembo13_com:

doje: i just hope lirc plays nice with SELinux

[09:59:25]

ikke_:

justinh: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4238 forgot to put svn version though, it's 14949 for the themes

[09:59:43]

doje:

pembo13_com: do you mean Suse Enterprise or Security Enhanced ?

[10:00:04]

pembo13_com:

doje: Security Enhanced

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pembo13_com:

doje: i use it on my server

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ikke_:

justinh: thanks for looking into this

[10:01:08]

doje:

pembo13_com: I've not messed with that, but i've read here and there about things having issues with it

[10:02:45]

justinh:

ikke_: there's no occurence of mv-select.png in video-ui.xml in the file I have here

[10:02:57]

justinh:

nor trans-mv-select.png

[10:03:10]

doje:

pembo13_com: I think only the serial driver in lirc is a kernel one – the others are userland – if that makes a difference

[10:03:13]

justinh:

so how the hell it manages to complain it's missing is beyond me

[10:03:32]

ikke_:

justinh, where would it come from? some leftover on my disk from previous versions?

[10:04:06]

justinh:

try updating the theme

[10:04:09]

doje:

pembo13_com: do you have other things you want to control via the remote (like TV volume) ?

[10:04:18]

justinh:

delete the theme dir & update it

[10:04:34]

ikke_:

justinh: i will once I get home

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pembo13_com:

doje: i have a universal remote

[10:05:02]

pembo13_com:

doje: would be nice if i could get a usb dongle which just accepts my universal remote

[10:05:56]

doje:

pembo13_com: i have one of these things: http://www.usbuirt.com/

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doje:

pembo13_com: you can program the uni remote to send IR to that to control myth

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justinh:

ikke_: update the theme from trunk, not my site. I'm gonna have to stipulate the themes on my site WILL NOT work with trunk before this all gets out of control

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justinh:

they DID work fine with trunk :(

[10:07:16]

doje:

pembo13_com: did you see the link ?

[10:07:16]

pembo13_com:

doje: dudem you're a life saver, thanks

[10:07:26]

pembo13_com:

doje: yah, i just hit the wrong short cut

[10:07:32]

doje:

:)

[10:07:43]

pembo13_com:

doje: i really need a diff. video card, color settings are terrible

[10:08:08]

doje:

pembo13_com: onboard video is never that great

[10:08:23]

pembo13_com:

doje: yah, will have to wait till i get some cash though

[10:08:27]

pembo13_com:

thanks for all your help

[10:08:32]

pembo13_com:

myth video is up and running too now

[10:08:34]

pembo13_com:

so i'm good

[10:08:40]

doje:

pembo13_com: no problem

[10:08:44]

ikke_:

justinh, I've never downloaded from you directly, always trunk. can't find the png string with find&grep now anywhere....

[10:08:45]

pembo13_com:

just need to have some kind of auto login into the window manager

[10:08:52]

pembo13_com:

and have it launch mythtv on startup

[10:08:57]

pembo13_com:

but that isn't too important yet

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pembo13_com:

doje: peace

[10:09:16]

doje:

pembo13_com: later

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doje:

pembo13_com: i need to sleep too :)

[10:09:31]

justinh:

ikke_: I cleaned it up quite a while ago to stop it using symlinks & the 'fleximage' image type

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justinh:

ikke_: there might still be a change or 2 I need to do

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justinh:

ikke_: test the new version when you get home & if it's ok let me know & I'll close the ticket

[10:13:23]

ikke_:

justinh: I'll do that, thanks

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justinh:

ikke_: gah! I had a typo in my grep. there IS mv-mselect.png in there. I think I know what's happened – the filename has changed in the default theme & I didn't catch up

[10:28:20]

justinh:

the missing image isn't why it's segfaulting though – the reason for that is the unknown tag :(

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ikke_:

justinh: what is this tag about? a reference to file name in some list?

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justinh:

no it's an image tag

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justinh:

that puzzles me though. the background container _should_ support a background image

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justinh:

ikke_: can't find any changes relating to that

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justinh:

ikke_: AHA!

[10:42:49]

justinh:

nope. that's not it

[10:44:41]

justinh:

hmm maybe.

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ikke_:

justinh: is there something you want me to grep or find in my system? I have a remote connection...

[10:47:15]

justinh:

ikke_: there's a possibility that an image not having a name (as in just having <image> instead of <image name="foo"> was the cause. what I've changed won't hurt it. the missing image isn't major & I can sort that out later.

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ikke_:

justinh: I already updated the themes from trunk, will try it at home

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justinh:

ikke_: you'll need to do another update :)

[10:48:55]

ikke_:

ok

[10:49:03]

justinh:

I just committed a change where I gave a background image a name

[10:49:10]

ikke_:

done

[10:49:22]

justinh:

funny but that's never caused a problem before

[10:52:25]

justinh:

I'll work on the missing image now

[10:53:12]

justinh:

jees. trans-mv-mselect.png isn't anywhere even on my -fixes box

[10:53:22]

justinh:

how the hell have I missed that all this time?

[10:54:46]

ikke_:

I saw you updated the neon-wide as well. it's a different fix, but anyway, i don't have the problem with neon-wide.

[10:55:14]

justinh:

ironic considering neon-wide was hacked out of blootube

[10:55:34]

justinh:

maybe I made the change to test something and forgot it was there

[10:57:54]

justinh:

anyway for reference I think it might've been the background tag in the gallery view of mythvideo

[10:59:14]

ikke_:

btw, is it enough just to update && make install the themes, or was it so that it checks the frontend version and refuses to work with different svn versions. so do i need to compile mythtv as well?

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justinh:

heh if only

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ikke_:

good :) i guess that was with plugins then

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levander:

Who's web site is this: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . Id=1801&

[11:18:35]

levander:

It was left on my desktop from being in this channel last night.

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levander:

Whoever's that web site is, he's a pretty damn good artist – if he did those images himself: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . Id=2526&

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justinh:

tux lover

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levander:

justinh: There's nothing in there that exactly suits my tastes for use on my desktop, but he comes very close. And all the work on there is excellent.

[11:38:14]

levander:

I'm gonna email him and ask if he's releasing any of that work for general use.

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justinh:

just ask mzb when he's next here

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levander:

Oh, that's mzb's web site?

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mzb_d800:

?

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justinh:

I think it is.. ask him :)

[11:39:06]

levander:

mzb_d800: This is you?

[11:39:13]

levander:

damn, copy and paste isn't working

[11:39:17]

mzb_d800:

yes, my site, sup?

[11:39:25]

levander:

good stuff

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levander:

you've released any themes or anything?

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mzb_d800:

!themes, yes other

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mzb_d800:

why?

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levander:

It's just hard to find good stuff to use.

[11:41:05]

levander:

Where are they at?

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justinh:

levander: I find stuff at interfacelift.com pretty good

[11:41:31]

levander:

justinh: That's your site?

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justinh:

and they're light on the penguin stuff, which I can't complain about

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mzb_d800:

levander: what are you asking me?

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justinh:

no. am I not allowed to mention sites other than my own? ;)

[11:42:22]

levander:

mzb_d800: Where are these themes you've released?

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levander:

justinh: I was just making joke.

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mzb_d800:

what themes ?

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justinh:

levander: the ! means 'not' ;)

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justinh:

so !themes means 'not themes'

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levander:

Oh, my bad. I thought "!themes, yes other" was a typo filled way of saying, "yeah, I released some themes"

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mzb_d800:

thanks justinh ;)

[11:43:27]

mzb_d800:

(sorry, I was texting g/f's sister ... other fingers were busy)

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levander:

mzb_d800: What do you use those things for? You just play around with that stuff?

[11:43:58]

mzb_d800:

desktop images?

[11:44:20]

levander:

mzb_d800: I read that g/f's sister remark and missed the word "texting". Eyebrows were raised...

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mzb_d800:

:)

[11:44:33]

levander:

mzb_d800: Yeah, that stuff I linked to above.

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mzb_d800:

no comment

[11:44:55]

mzb_d800:

I downloaded a whole heap at one stage for my entertainment, and put them on my website so I could access them when required

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levander:

mzb_d800: Ahhhh, so you're not the artist?

[11:45:18]

mzb_d800:

at the time I was using twinview with two desktops

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mzb_d800:

no

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levander:

Too bad, I thought I had come across genuine talent...

[11:45:40]

mzb_d800:

found easily with google

[11:45:42]

levander:

Turns out just another lackey like me...

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mzb_d800:

that's not to say I don't have genuine talent ... just not in graphics ;P

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levander:

mzb_d800: You got "Copyright Marcus Brown" on the bottom of all those images.

[11:46:50]

mzb_d800:

standard watermark on all images

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levander:

mzb_d800: Yeah, I'm sure. It's almost odd how normal it is to run into really good engineers on Freenode.

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mzb_d800:

also ... most of them have been hacked|edited to remove original owner

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mzb_d800:

my bad

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mzb_d800:

original intention was for my purpose only

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levander:

I don't care. It's just that's why I thought you did the images.

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mzb_d800:

perhaps I should remove that directory from public consumption

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levander:

mzb_d800: Yeah I know. You're not like Microsoft doing an official corporate site.

[11:48:11]

mzb_d800:

:) not at all

[11:48:23]

mzb_d800:

only for my own purposes

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levander:

Well, you got good taste anyway. I like that kind of starry/streaky background on your web site too.

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mzb_d800:

I just edited a heap of them to remove unsightly parts ;)

[11:49:15]

mzb_d800:

that *was* original artwork :)

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mzb_d800:

thanks

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mzb_d800:

(apart from the starry part ;)) lol

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levander:

I meant like starry like stars in the sky. That's what the background looks to me like at first. And then you notice there are streaks, which makes it look more just like a design... maybe "inspired" by night sky...

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

thank you very much

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mzb_d800:

the whole thing was actually done to share pictures of my daughter with the rest of the family ... but their illiteracy (etc) has hindered that progress a little (and my disinterest in supporting every flavour of IE)

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mzb_d800:

I hope to update all the software soon, which should help that

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mzb_d800:

Doctor Kiah: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . d=20371&

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mzb_d800:

you can see the bottom corner of a 20" in that shot

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mzb_d800:

that is the downstairs (cloned) output for the loungetv

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levander:

I can get around fine. Only thing is that there was a place I was clicking on a pic and expecting to get a full size image of the pic, and instead got another view of a sub-album. I figured out it was a sub-album later. I thought I was being sent back to the album I was at originally, if you understand what I'm saying.

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mzb_d800:

no I dont

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mzb_d800:

:)

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levander:

hold on, I'm finding the example

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mzb_d800:

err ... the only time you will get a fullsize is if you hover over the centre of a resize and it says "Full Size"

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mzb_d800:

resize != album

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mzb_d800:

(resizes don't have a border)

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levander:

now that i understand the site, it's hard to get confused again...

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

yeah ... I understand that :))

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mzb_d800:

I should upgrade to the latest version of gallery and check the difference

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justinh:

I need to have a play with some gallery software for my webshite – for better screenshottery

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mzb_d800:

just so many customisations ... might be tricky

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levander:

Okay, here: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . Id=1801& The first thing I did on that page was click on the middle image on the top row. I thought I was gonna get a full sized version of that image, and what I thought I got was sent back to the same page I was just on. I figured out later I was getting sent to another subalbum.

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mzb_d800:

at least being a xen vm (with multiple partitions) I can take a snapshot before I start

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mzb_d800:

ok, I'll check, thanks for the feedback

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levander:

justinh: Do you have a preference for the programming language it's written in? That's typically how I pick stuff for the web. Figure out what languageI want it written in – in case I customize it – then look around in there.

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mzb_d800:

ah, I see

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mzb_d800:

yes, just ignorance of the website

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levander:

mzb_d800: After I figured that out, getting around the site was easy.

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mzb_d800:

I've tried to show a difference between albums and photos by giving a frame around albums

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mzb_d800:

I don't know how else I can make that obvious

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mzb_d800:

levander: I appreciate your feedback, thank y u

[12:03:29]

mzb_d800:

s/you

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justinh:

levander: my host is lame so I basically just need to make a gallery dir of screenshots to put online. doesn't want to be dynamic

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mzb_d800:

it gets more complicated, trust me ;)

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levander:

Only quick idea I've got is instead of naming the album "Screenshots" name it "Screenshots Albums"... Not a great solution...

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mzb_d800:

yeah, I see what you mean

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levander:

justinh: I know they've got those, that will generate HTML pages from directories of images. When I was interested in PHP I came across them. Can't remember right now. Let me think a second.

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mzb_d800:

I'll think about that ... but I tend to prefer "shortest possible name" solutions

[12:05:29]

mzb_d800:

(as I might not stick with that theme ... etc)

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levander:

mzb_d800: Just throwing out ideas...

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mzb_d800:

ie. with another theme it might all change

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justinh:

I could prolly knock something up in php myself if I could be bothered. haha when can I ever be bothered?!

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levander:

Yeah

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mzb_d800:

levander: totally appreciated

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mzb_d800:

hardly ever get feedback, so the attention alone has made my night ;))

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levander:

Haha.

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mzb_d800:

(eg. *SOME* ppl wont visit it on the grounds that the gallery is embedded in a BLOG!!!)

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mzb_d800:

NOT NAMING ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR! ::)))

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levander:

mzb_d800: I got up this morning and noticed that web site was on my desktop. I didn't look at it last night when I put the URL in Firefox. So, I was like, "hey, who's web site is this??"

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mzb_d800:

;P

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mzb_d800:

levander: nice :)

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levander:

There was a real tall skinny guy in one of the pictures and I was like, "do I know that guy?"

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justinh:

I don't hate blogs per se. I just can't stand when useful info for a project like mythtv is scattered across the wilderness, all disperate like

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mzb_d800:

how did the 256kb uplink treat you?

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justinh:

there must be a million howto guides, tweaks, hints & tips, patches, themes, hacks out there that could benefit everybody by being in the wiki. but hey – their loss

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levander:

justinh: Funny you mention that. I was thinking about the "disparate information" thing last night. It's almost like part of the skill of this whole Linux thing is having enough of a familarity with the pile of information that's out there that you can "access" it "efficiently". Not that I like it, it's just the way it is. But yeah, I've started making a habit of updating wikis. I don't even have my blog online anymore.

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mzb_d800:

justinh: I seem to remember the first time I showed a link in this # it was about old machines ... you refused and I said "your loss" ... nothing directly to do with myth ... you were just not in the mood (or whatever)

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** levander thinking mzb might be a little touchy about his web site **

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levander:

mzb_d800: That's quite a memory man...

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mzb_d800:

and as I also said, I don't have a "blog" as such ... I just keep notes there

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levander:

How long ago was that?

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mzb_d800:

err

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mzb_d800:

a month or two

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levander:

mzb_d800: Yeah, blogs are definitely a good place for personal stuff.

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mzb_d800:

used to have a photographic memory 20 years ago ... but a few blows to the head stopped that ;(

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levander:

More important stuff should be filed with an appropriate community though if you have access to one.

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mzb_d800:

yeah ... maybe so ... but not my place to judge how important it is

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levander:

mzb_d800: Maybe being egotistical now, I've noticed I remember stuff no one else does. I actually kind of find it annoying.

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levander:

mzb_d800: But, a neat party trick is starting listing all the stuff you remember about a person.

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** justinh makes a note to avoid levander at parties **

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mzb_d800:

I used to be able to flick through the pages of a book and then do an exam on it ;)

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mzb_d800:

(eg. Physics B, grade 12)

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mzb_d800:

("Upper Sixth")

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levander:

I worked at a restaurant for a couple of years in college. I ended up sleeping with two different waitresses starting with doing that "game" with them. Most of the time though, it's just good for a luagh.

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justinh:

that's why I hate exams. they're not as much about being competent as they are about being able to regurgitate facts sometimes

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levander:

justinh: NO kidding.

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mzb_d800:

justinh: totally

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mzb_d800:

didn't start understanding things properly until I lost my short term memory permanently (and had to learn things from principle)

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levander:

Most of the CS stuff in the university I went to, like 80% of the work was programming, but then it was only like 40% of your grade. 40% exams, which you'd cram for for two nights bfore, and 20% homework.

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mzb_d800:

never did homework

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mzb_d800:

(apart from last 5mins in class)

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justinh:

well, time to go pick up my new aerial amp :)

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levander:

I figured out I wanted to major in Computer Science with a 2.0 GPA. Kind of scared I'd never get a job with that GPA, I worked my ass off in CS. Raised my GPA to a 2.9 by the time I finished. No idea if it made a difference in getting the job I got or not.

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mzb_d800:

I had a routine and a solution for everything ... combine that with an unquestionable memory for every detail and I was a weapon

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justinh:

off into the smog of Runcorn

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mzb_d800:

urrgh

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levander:

justinh: Yeah, I gotta get back to work too.

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mzb_d800:

ok ... thanks again levander

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mzb_d800:

hopefully I'll convince justinh to give my site a look another time ;)

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mzb_d800:

time to get ready for the missus' impending departure from the bath (that I shoved her into an hour ago)

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mzb_d800:

levander: btw, no idea what a GPA is (general point average?) ... doesn't mean anything here, or to me

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mzb_d800:

(.tas.au)

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levander:

grade point average. 4.0 is straight A's, 3.0 straight B's, 2.0 straight C's

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mzb_d800:

ah

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mzb_d800:

so 3.0 GPA is kind of like a 75% average over all your grades?

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levander:

In USA 90% and above is a A. 80% and above is a B. 70% and above is a C. 67% and above is a D (lots of places) – very few D's given out. Below that is an F.

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levander:

A test with 10 questions, you get 2 wrong, you get an 80% and a B.

[12:24:32]

levander:

If you had 3 classes and got one A, one B, and one C, you got a 3.0 GPA.

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mzb_d800:

will think about that later ... got woman asking for towel ... thanks for info ... bbl

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levander:

Two B's and a C, you got a 2.67 GPA.

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mzb_d800:

bit hard to translate that all to 20 years ago, in a different country, between multiple schools (private and public), and different moderation situations

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mzb_d800:

I'd guess my average was about 87% (English and Social Science let me down;)

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mzb_d800:

but to put that into perspective I was still a Scholar

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mzb_d800:

despite my lack of interest in prose and history ;))

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mzb_d800:

ah well ... reminiscence of abilities past achieves little ... time to reinforce timeless ones, gnite all

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mzb_d800:

levander: thanks for the feedback + info

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mzb_d800:

much appreciated

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justinh:

ikke_: I've committed yet another change. gbee, who knows how to interpret logs better than I do, suggested the error is coming from the menu UI code and the image tag in the background container is what's to blame (i.e. in theme.xml). The code was changed a while back to not support background images in theme.xml anymore but it still shouldn't have crashed. Regardless, I removed the <image> tag from the background

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justinh:

ikke_: one thing it doesn't explain is why neon-wide is ok. but hey ho

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justinh:

woohoo I've got a buyer for my a thing I want to sell, without having to put it on fleabay :D

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** justinh smacks the ebay seller for not answering their emails **

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ikke_:

justinh: up and installed! (still@work)

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justinh:

ikke_: thanks. let me know if there's still a problem (or otherwise). thanks for bringing it to my attention – sorted a load of stuff out on the back of that :)

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Dibblah:

So, how many bets that http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . T&ih=018

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Dibblah:

Is in fact _not_ going to come from Hull?

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justinh:

not for Â£5.99

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justinh:

and their English is pretty good.. doesn't look like a bad translation

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justinh:

I went to 'ull once. reckon it's why they say it's grim up north

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justinh:

anybody got a 192.com disk handy? I'm gonna find out where this muppet lives (so long as it's not a VOIP number)

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hashbang:

justinh: have you tried requesting their address/phone # through ebay?

[13:37:54]

justinh:

got their phone number, there's no address listed

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hashbang:

meh

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justinh:

the number is quite near where I work, as it turns out

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kezza491:

how do you turn off plugins for mythtv frontend?

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kezza491:

so that they will not list in menu and etc

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hashbang:

kezza491: remove the .so from the plugins directory, I guess. Tried that?

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justinh:

christ on a bike. the feedback people have been leaving has been anything up to a month since the auction for the item ended

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kezza491:

i was hoping for a config gile

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kezza491:

*file that would handle it

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GreyFoxx:

kezza491: Nope

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GreyFoxx:

if myth sees the plugin libraries in the plugin directory it will try to load them

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kezza491:

Ohhh

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kezza491:

i see

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justinh:

you can easily remove the menu items by copying menu xml files & putting them in your ~/.mythtv/ dir though

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kezza491:

where is this menu xml file i dont have on in my home directory

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GreyFoxx:

It's whereever your themes are

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kezza491:

ok

[13:53:08]

GreyFoxx:

if you copy it to your ~/.mythtv dir it will override the default one

[13:53:20]

kezza491:

ok

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gbee:

judging from the demand, I guess I should try and turn my custom menu theme into something I can release

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gbee:

I've had a couple of emails from people who like my theme, but most people want to know what menu theme I'm using and where they can they get it

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justinh:

doubt anybody'd want my menu theme. there's no trace of 'watch tv'

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DustyBin:

im going to re-do my myth box this weekend using brand new Intel PRO/1000 GT NICs :D

[14:11:05]

justinh:

and I'm going nuke Warrington if my CPU hasn't turned up by the weekend :D

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gbee:

do it anyway, won't be a great loss

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DustyBin:

gbee: ouit, my chavvy uncle lives there

[14:12:22]

justinh:

saccerly

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justinh:

round here is where I first saw the trend of 'women' going out wearing their pyjamas. ffs

[14:13:03]

DustyBin:

lol

[14:13:16]

justinh:

it's spreading to manchester now

[14:13:50]

justinh:

still, at least there's only one tanning place within a mile of where Ilive so it can't be that bad :)

[14:14:07]

jduggan:

heh

[14:14:49]

justinh:

funni isn't it – the less money people have the more they want to look like paris 'tender loving' hilton or whatever

[14:15:38]

justinh:

grrr I need to speak to one of our softy guys. the network stack on my cctv recorder keeps pooing its pants

[14:15:53]

justinh:

put it in the DMZ for 2 secs & poop!

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DustyBin:

grrrrr why is #vserver invite only

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justinh:

DustyBin: because everybody wants virtual everything now cos it's flavour of the month lately? ;)

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** justinh wonders if it's possible to stack VMs for extra safety, just to be cantankerous **

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DustyBin:

vserver isnt exactly virtualization, its chroot on drugs

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justinh:

a VM in a VM in a VM within a VM.. pwn that! :P

[14:18:11]

DustyBin:

running mythtv, next to your mail server, and CCTV of your house, is bad practice!

[14:18:17]

justinh:

no? ach well. maybe they had an influx of the unclued anyway

[14:18:31]

gbee:

would be nice to define a background image for the popup keyboard, I've replaced the buttons but it's using the QT background which spoils it

[14:18:43]

justinh:

the buttons can be custom?!

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gbee:

wrong window ..

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gbee:

justinh: yeah

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jams:

gbee- parsing of the menu xml files is working, now to make the transistion from text to image.

[14:19:20]

** justinh pleads with jams not to make more work for him.. pretty please :) **

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jams:

justinh- nothing todo with themes

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gbee:

justinh: wish I hadn't said that now, it would have been another novel thing for users of my theme, but I guess by the time 0.21 is released everyone will have seen it done in glass ;)

[14:20:12]

justinh:

gbee: there are _some_ things I'm not particularly bothered about

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justinh:

;)

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gbee:

jams: cool

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justinh:

the big thing for me would be to make the qt things look nicer

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gbee:

jams: I had a thought this morning, something I thought you might be intrested in but I've forgotten now

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justinh:

jams: sorry I thought this was about the menu text/image title bits

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** DustyBin looks forward to mythtv .30 <-- qt4, animated menu system **

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gbee:

QT4 support will probably be in 0.21, but nothing will appear differently as a result

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justinh:

DustyBin: depends how many devs want to see moving items

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gbee:

DustyBin: we can do animated menus now, with a little code work using the opengl renderer

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justinh:

I can live without after seeing how much it slows down frontrow/appletv

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DustyBin:

aye

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justinh:

depends on your definition of animation too ;)

[14:23:42]

DustyBin:

frontrow animation is nice

[14:24:16]

DustyBin:

surely some 3d code code be nicked from compiz-fusion

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DustyBin:

*could

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justinh:

I think achieving it without creating more dependencies would be the primary aim

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DustyBin:

anyway, whats running under the bonnet is more important than looks

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justinh:

DustyBin: but in frontrow/appletv it looks to me like the smooth movement ofthe menu bar slows it down

[14:27:15]

DustyBin:

i havent played with it in depth, only watched it in the apple store

[14:27:29]

justinh:

then again nobody says it has to be moved 1 pixel at a time

[14:27:30]

jams:

gbee- well if you remember what that thought was just let me know, it will be stored in my highlight bin.

[14:27:52]

gbee:

any animation is going to slow down navigation, the question is just at what point does it become too slow?

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justinh:

I'd hazard a guess that anything taking more than 100ms

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justinh:

who was it who looked at abstracting the menu transistion again?

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directhex|bsp:

i looked, and ran in fear

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directhex|bsp:

it's terribly hard-coded

[14:33:12]

directhex|bsp:

i can see where someone started making it modular, thought "bugger this for a game of soldiers" and swamped the code with if{} statements

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DustyBin:

im going to split my server up into 3 parts, the main host, will run mythtv and all multimedia related stuff, like rtorrent, etc. The next guest VM will run zoneminder and heyu, this will be for general home security applications. the 3rd VM will run all my other servers like, postfix, bind9, cups, NFS and samba

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jduggan:

sounds like performance hell to me

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justinh:

I think I'm gonna get me a framegrabber & launch off a little seeseeteevee server somewhere

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jduggan:

:P

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justinh:

I can't be doing with this D4's network port going to sleep

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DustyBin:

jduggan: why performance hell?

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DustyBin:

ive changed stuff around, this is how my server will be setup: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2409

[14:51:04]

DustyBin:

all the servers are kept together running on the host for the best performance

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DustyBin:

when my server boots, it will activate all the guests and boot into multimedia.xxxx.net and launch mythfrontend

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DustyBin:

hopefully mythfrontend running as a vserver guest will be ok in performance

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NRGizeR:

hey again, I was in here a couple of months back, about my encrypted DVB problems... they got solved, and now they are fucked again :/

[15:05:22]

NRGizeR:

is there any well known reason why Myth doesn't use my CAM when trying to decrypt DVB channels?

[15:05:56]

NRGizeR:

the only thing I see in the logs that seems to be encryption related at all is:

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NRGizeR:

2007-11–29 17:02:17.566 PID 0x207 status: Encrypted

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NRGizeR:

2007-11–29 17:02:17.622 PID 0x2a0 status: Encrypted

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NRGizeR:

does this actually mean that it's using the CAM and is trying to decrypt the channel, or is it just stating the fact that the channel is encrypted?

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kezza491:

Hi

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NRGizeR:

in older versions I saw a CAM: "some numbers" whenever the CAM was used

[15:06:59]

Code-rr:

Why would mythtv-setup freeze when trying to do a existing transport scan.

[15:07:04]

kezza491:

is it possible to have a section of a menu where the indivigual trying to access it needs a password to access it?

[15:07:30]

NRGizeR:

oh, and I'm using the SVN head revision

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justinh:

kezza491: not without modifying the source code

[15:07:52]

NRGizeR:

but the other ones are even more buggy (20.2 for example)

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kezza491:

justinh: Ahh ok

[15:08:14]

justinh:

NRGizeR: so open a ticket then :)

[15:08:28]

justinh:

update first, then try it. then if it's no better, time for a ticket

[15:08:35]

NRGizeR:

or well, the problem there are the finnish networks using the id 0 for networkids

[15:08:37]

Code-rr:

after installing LIRC from repositories, it doesnt seem to have lirc_mceusb2, what am i missing

[15:08:47]

NRGizeR:

but the head revision finds the chan, just can't tune to it :/

[15:09:09]

NRGizeR:

justinh: well the problem is that I'm not even sure if it's a problem with Myth or something else

[15:09:18]

NRGizeR:

since I don't know if it's actually using the CAM or not

[15:09:20]

NRGizeR:

:/

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justinh:

NRGizeR: do other apps still work?

[15:09:29]

justinh:

kaffeine etc?

[15:09:38]

NRGizeR:

don't even have them :)

[15:09:49]

NRGizeR:

this has been a dedicated mythbox for about 2 years

[15:10:09]

NRGizeR:

but I didn't buy a second card (with CAM/conax) until a couple of months back

[15:10:24]

NRGizeR:

I've never had any problems with unencrypted channels on either card

[15:11:20]

NRGizeR:

and it HAS been working with some revisions of mythtv

[15:11:46]

NRGizeR:

I've been tinkering alot with the database as well, so it might be that

[15:12:03]

NRGizeR:

does anyone know how myth determines if it should be using the conax card or not?

[15:12:11]

NRGizeR:

or is that in the driver?

[15:12:19]

NRGizeR:

kernel module that is

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justinh:

the channel table has a column for 'encrypted' I think

[15:13:14]

justinh:

btw did you make a new video source for the card with the CAM?

[15:13:34]

justinh:

cos you can't have the same channels if only one card can decrypt them

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NRGizeR:

no, it doesn't, not in an obvious way at least

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NRGizeR:

I have two sources yes

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NRGizeR:

the one without the CAM can't even browse the unencrypted ones

[15:14:22]

NRGizeR:

err... encrypted*

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justinh:

if you've updated recently, and it was fine before you did that – then I'd say it could be a problem in the code

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justinh:

wow. guy at work bought a projector on the cheap "for spares", turned it on, found it didn't come up. nudged the colour wheel & it works perfectly!

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NRGizeR:

see, first it worked, then after an upgrade (or database tinkering, can't be sure) it started working for about a day at a time, then I had to restart mythbackend for it to work

[15:15:29]

justinh:

jammy sod

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NRGizeR:

then my computer crashed (along with the database)

[15:15:47]

NRGizeR:

think the memory died

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justinh:

you have too many unknowns, in that case

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NRGizeR:

so I upgraded the machine (i586 -> x86_64) but same OS, and same myth versions

[15:16:11]

NRGizeR:

and now it doesn't work at all

[15:16:29]

NRGizeR:

but I had this exact problem when I first installed the card with the conax module

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NRGizeR:

so I'm pretty much disregarding all I did in between

[15:16:51]

NRGizeR:

just trying to figure out what the hell it was that made it work the first time around

[15:16:56]

NRGizeR:

because I have no clue :/

[15:17:08]

justinh:

loading a module? :P

[15:17:09]

NRGizeR:

or well, I've tried the things that I thought it could have been

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Code-rr:

Why would mythtv-setup freeze when trying to do a existing transport scan.

[15:17:48]

NRGizeR:

the module is loading and (apparently) working

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NRGizeR:

Nov 29 16:56:38 juggernaut kernel: dvb_ca adapter 1: DVB CAM detected and initialised successfully

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NRGizeR:

get those every once in a while in /var/log/messages

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** directhex|bsp successfully uses a cam **

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NRGizeR:

directhex: and no problems what so ever?

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NRGizeR:

what network btw? at least a part of the grief I got last time was because of the networkids here in finland

[15:19:32]

directhex|bsp:

top-up tv

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NRGizeR:

mmkay

[15:20:33]

NRGizeR:

damn this is driving me mad :/

[15:20:58]

NRGizeR:

feels kind of silly to pay for the channels when I can't make mythtv tune to them :<

[15:21:05]

NRGizeR:

only get a partial lock

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justinh:

hmm might have to settle for a t5500 and just HOPE it comes

[15:23:21]

NRGizeR:

huh?

[15:23:36]

kezza491:

Is it possible to change the font size for items in your menu?

[15:23:55]

NRGizeR:

kezza491: yeah, it's in the setup menu somewhere

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justinh:

no it isn't

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NRGizeR:

settings for tiny, medium, and large fonts

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justinh:

you have to edit the xml file

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NRGizeR:

well it depends on the theme then I guess

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kezza491:

ok which XML file i am editing them at the momment

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justinh:

those size settings don't (and can't) change the menu text size

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justinh:

theme.xml

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kezza491:

ahh k

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NRGizeR:

if I remember correctly you can set either the "tiny" etc values, or absolute font sizes in the xml

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justinh:

not in theme.xml you can't

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NRGizeR:

ok

[15:24:51]

NRGizeR:

my mistake then :)

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justinh:

the button text is one size only

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jduggan:

so, this freesat bbc hd service thats going to roll out, whats the likliness i can capture that with dvb-s? it is FTA, right?

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justinh:

jduggan: yeah

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directhex|bsp:

jduggan, you can capture it today with dvb-s

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directhex|bsp:

jduggan, point a sat at astra2d, tune into 10847 V tp 50, suckle at the teat of 6940/2318/2320 E

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justinh:

then have fun watching your CPU strain

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Code-rr:

iget "2007-11–29 10:32:26.294 lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages

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Code-rr:

but there is no preceeding message

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justinh:

yeah yeah

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justinh:

means lirc isn't running usually

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Viaken:

I'm trying to figure out what distro is going to be the easiest for my parents to upgrade when I've moved out. Want to make sure I understand the situation... Does MythBuntu have the usual "There are updates available" bubble? Does MythDora? KnoppMyth's upgrade method is to burn the new version and choose auto-upgrade?

[15:44:06]

justinh:

if stuff works, I wouldn't advise you update anything

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Viaken:

Fair enough

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justinh:

if it's just a myth box, where's the risk?

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NRGizeR:

yeah, I'll second that... I myself is a manic upgrader

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jduggan:

directhex|bsp: thats HD ?

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jduggan:

directhex|bsp: or SD?

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NRGizeR:

... and this is why I'm still in the situation where I have to figure out what I did last time to get it to work :(

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Viaken:

Well, I was going to argue having a rooted box on my network, but since there's still a Windows PC on it... :)

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** godzirra /part **

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godzirra:

Oops. :)

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justinh:

jduggan: the BBCHD stuff

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** godzirra waves. **

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jduggan:

justinh: ic, i didnt realise it was being broadcast yet

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justinh:

oh yeah

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Viaken:

Thanks anyway! :) ttyl

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justinh:

it's always on in my local Tesco

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jduggan:

:)

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justinh:

it wees all over Sly HD

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justinh:

irony is Sly's got more bandwidth

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justinh:

well, according to lyngsat

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jduggan:

ive got a problem in that my dvb-t wont get channel4 or anything on the same mux.. e4 etc... which also are not FTA, so freesat isnt an option to replace dvb-t

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jduggan:

i guess i could just have one tuner (using an unnamed cable provider) for those channels

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directhex|bsp:

oit?

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justinh:

voigin

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jduggan:

nod

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justinh:

hahaha anybody else noticed the 'pvr350' adwords link to virginmedia ?

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antiPosix:

anyone have the actual scoop for PVR-150 owners who subscribe to cable in North America in 2009? Will the cable company simply stop providing analog to the PVR-150?

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antiPosix:

if thats the case, what kind of mythtv friendly tuner should I invest in that is digital

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directhex|bsp:

depends on whether your content is encrypted or not

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antiPosix:

directhex|bsp: how do I find out? call my local cable company?

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directhex|bsp:

that's one option. i think legally cable companies are compelled to provide at least some content unencrypted in some way, shape or form. but many companies in eht us ignore the law, as i'm sure you know

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directhex|bsp:

i believe the most common method is to use a motorola set-top box which has an optional firewire output – and basically use that as a tuner. your cable co needs to provide a firewire-enabled box for that to work, though

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antiPosix:

so when its "digital", that means they will no longer provide the S-Video or Component feed from the settop box?

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directhex|bsp:

oh, that will continue. that's another route

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antiPosix:

just a DVB?

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antiPosix:

DVI

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antiPosix:

all these acronyms

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justinh:

DVB has nothing to do with video outputs on STBs

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cmoates:

antiPosix, couple of things

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directhex|bsp:

you'll continue to be able to grab content using a set-top box in analog form, if that floats your boat

[16:14:26]

cmoates:

The cable companies want to get rid of analog on the cable line, but they are not under the 2009 deadline like the airwaves are

[16:14:33]

cmoates:

So it'll probably not be on the exact same timeline

[16:14:42]

cmoates:

But they want to do it for their own reasons, so it will come

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antiPosix:

but my settop box can still feed my analog tuner, and TV right? post 2009

[16:15:03]

cmoates:

All the set top boxes that cable companies provide will still output composite/svideo

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cmoates:

Yes, absolutely

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antiPosix:

wouldnt that be down-converting the signal though, which according to dtvfacts.com is not going to be an option?

[16:15:50]

cmoates:

QAM digital cable is available in most areas, and there are tuners for myth to grab that, but there is encryption on many (most? all, depending on where you are) channels

[16:16:02]

cmoates:

It will be downconverted and it is an option when it's "local wiring" like that

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antiPosix:

gotcha, thanks for the info

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cmoates:

If you're only worried about when analog goes away

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antiPosix:

I live in rural VT, this probably wont effect me until 2012 anyhow

[16:16:37]

cmoates:

You are probably better off waiting until it's much closer to look into a replacement for your pvr140

[16:16:50]

cmoates:

Options for DTV and myth might be better then, who knows

[16:17:04]

antiPosix:

this has nothing to do with the broadcast flag correct?

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cmoates:

no

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antiPosix:

is that still being staved off?

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cmoates:

I haven't been following it, maybe someone else knows

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antiPosix:

I cant imagine going back to paying TiVo, that would make me so upset with big-media

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cmoates:

Why?

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antiPosix:

because I've invested alot of time and resource into building my mythtv box about a year ago

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cmoates:

Tivo would be my only serious consideration if I had to abandon myth

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antiPosix:

and to have the broadcast flag stop thge mythtvbox from working is disconcerting

[16:19:23]

cmoates:

Welcome to America ;)

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antiPosix:

oh, I wasnt slamming TiVo..

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antiPosix:

I had my tivo pimped out when I had it, had a stock 40GB I put a 250GB in it

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cmoates:

Though the new FIOS DVR looks pretty good, in their commercials. Who knows how it actually performs in thehouse though

[16:20:35]

cmoates:

Multi-room viewing, multi-rec, etc

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antiPosix:

my mythtv is setup for multiroom, I love that about it, even performs good over wireless

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directhex|bsp:

i'll finally be able to go multi-room when i move into my house

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defaultro:

off topic question guys, assuming we are selling something on ebay, can we cancel it?

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antiPosix:

my whole whose is wired up and I have 3 backends 2 with remote controls, 1 (my sons) with a joystick to navigate mythtv

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justinh:

defaultro: AFAIK you can as long as nobody has bid on it

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defaultro:

gotcha

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defaultro:

thanks

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NRGizeR:

w0000000000000t! my encrypted chans are working!!! :)

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justinh:

I think you still can if people have bid on it but it's frowned upon

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justinh:

needs a V good reason

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defaultro:

ok

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antiPosix:

Vasectomy?

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defaultro:

i'll make sure that no one has bid on it

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oobe:

NRGizeR, what encrypted channels?

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NRGizeR:

the ones I didn't get working before

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ikke_:

justinh: still here? it did not work. it doesn

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NRGizeR:

the ones that I pay for but haven't been able to watch in 2 months

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oobe:

im assuming you have paytv or somthing

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oobe:

nice

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defaultro:

what did you do to decode it?

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NRGizeR:

the ones that stopped working with the computer upgrade

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justinh:

ikke_: argghh

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NRGizeR:

I have no clue :)

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ikke_:

justinh: it doesn't complain about tags or png's anymore, but crashes still

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NRGizeR:

this was the third successive scan I've made, and now all of a sudden it works

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NRGizeR:

linux is great for the most part, but some things are just rocket magic

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NRGizeR:

:)

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justinh:

ikke_: I'm out of ideas then. I'll see if another dev can reproduce it

[16:25:36]

ikke_:

justinh: still works with neon-wide though. I deleted themes, themecache and reinstalled themes.

[16:25:48]

ikke_:

justinh: ok

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justinh:

ikke_: gimme a while

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ikke_:

justinh: would it help if i recompile it with debug options, and take backtrace from core?

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justinh:

ikke_: wouldn't help me at all

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Hoxzer:

Shall I write a wikipage about scene release handling on mythvideo? (Unrar, imdb ...etc) Eventhouhg it, in some cases, might be considered as piracy related ?

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ikke_:

justinh: ok. just tell me if you want me to do something. other that goto h.... :)

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justinh:

ikke_: trying a diff of neon-wide's video-ui.xml and blootube-wide's video-ui.xml

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justinh:

ikke_: which setup menu in mythvideo?

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defaultro:

justinh, this sounds weird on Paypal

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defaultro:

Use PayPal's automatic billing service to automatically pay your selling fees each month

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defaultro:

i'm only selling 1 time

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justinh:

paypal are arse

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defaultro:

k

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ikke_:

justinh: i

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justinh:

ikke_: huh? when you press I in the video manager?

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ikke_:

justinh: i'm running finnish translation, but it would be utilities/setup-> setup -> media -> video settings. it was a typo...

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justinh:

why the hell is it even loading video-ui.xml for that?!

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ikke_:

justinh: i have this weird small keyboard for mythmachine, i keep pressing wrong buttons all the time...

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

ikke_: if it's convenient for you, could you please attach a backtrace to the ticket? I'll ask somebody to look at it. I need to nail this

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ikke_:

justinh: i'll do that. but later, need to play home in real life now.... later

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justinh:

no probs

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cmoates:

defaultro, I think if you want to cancel an item, you have to reject all of the current bids on it first, then cancel

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

cmoates, i ended up not continuing my ebay post

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levander:

Any idea what could cause "slight jerky" occasional movement in the video?

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defaultro:

found out that Ebay charges me then Paypal will charge me too

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defaultro:

that's wicked :(

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justinh:

levander: interlacing. you need to enable deinterlacing

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cmoates:

paypal only charges you if you sell through them right?

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cmoates:

levander, stuttering or like, "image coming apart"

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defaultro:

ebay will charge also

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cmoates:

defaultro, ebay always gets their cut ;)

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defaultro:

yep

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levander:

cmoates: stuttering

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cmoates:

levander, HD/SD?

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levander:

justinh: you don't mean change to a progressive tv standard do you?

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justinh:

no

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levander:

justinh: like, change to 720p?

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defaultro:

what if someone buys my item but not via ebay, just money transfer?

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levander:

cmoates: SDTV

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justinh:

defaultro: if you sell on ebay you can't sell it elsewhere I don't think

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cmoates:

defaultro, I'm pretty sure you can

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cmoates:

so long as the buyer didn't find the item through ebay

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cmoates:

i.e. car on the road with a for sale sign in it, also listed on ebay

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levander:

justinh: found it on the wiki

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levander:

thanks

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levander:

justinh leaves without ceremony

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cmoates:

alas

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cmoates:

levander, could be lack of CPU, slow disk

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cmoates:

any number of things :(

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levander:

cmoates: I'm looking at the idle % in top, I'm getting like 50% idle every time it refreshes, don't think its CPU

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cmoates:

For example, mine can sometimes stutter if I am watching one show, then 3 shows start recording at once

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levander:

i'm gonna check this deinterlacing thing justinh mentioned

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cmoates:

It'll stutter once or twice for a second or two

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cmoates:

because of the load spike

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cmoates:

levander, dual core cpu?

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levander:

cmoates: it's happening just when i'm watching and sitting there

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levander:

dual PIII 550

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levander:

lemme look into deinterlacing

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cmoates:

50% idle is 1 cpu at 100%

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cmoates:

myth won't use both cpu's for decoding video

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cmoates:

But yes, by all means, look into deinterlacinng :)

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cmoates:

I think you might be pegging your CPU though :/

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levander:

cmoates: I think it spawns a separate thread for PiP, but maybe you just mean decoding a single channel?

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cmoates:

yeah

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cmoates:

i.e. if you're watching a show, "normally", it only uses one cpu

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levander:

I just think you get a separate thread for PiP from watching it in top, haven't ever looked at the code

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cmoates:

And if that cpu is at full throttle, with a dual system like yours, top will show 50% idle

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cmoates:

Or is this only happening with pip?

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levander:

cmoates: You press '1' and top shows each CPU separate

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cmoates:

And it shows one at 0% and one at 50%?

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levander:

cmoates: It's worse with PiP, I'm getting prebuffering pauses, but I'm not even working on that yet.

[16:58:42]

levander:

cmoates: No, it shows one at 50% and the other at maybe 70% when I'm just watching one show.

[16:59:33]

cmoates:

gotcha

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cmoates:

I'm still gonna stick with spikes in CPU as my primary theory

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cmoates:

550 is on the bottom end, afaik

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oobe:

is

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cmoates:

I have a friend with a P3/450, but he has to use a PVR-350 to do the mpeg decoding or it's too slow

[17:04:45]

levander:

cmoates: Yeah, I got hardware decoding on a PVR-500

[17:05:01]

levander:

Any idea how to determine if my kernel has SSE support built in??

[17:05:04]

cmoates:

decoding or encoding?

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levander:

cmoates: encoding I meant.

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cmoates:

ok, thought maybe you knew something I didn't

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cmoates:

as for SSE support, hmm

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levander:

I need SSE for kernel deinterlacing

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levander:

It'd be cool if I just knew what SSE was.

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rambo3:

aaha

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cmoates:

I don't know if it's the right way or whatever, but

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cmoates:

cat /proc/kallsyms | grep sse | grep -v sset

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cmoates:

That will show some of the kernel symbols, you could see if anything shows up

[17:07:20]

cmoates:

But I'm not sure which of those would be "sse support" specifically :/

[17:07:24]

cmoates:

If you get nothing, that'd be a bad sign though

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rambo3:

sse.c

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levander:

Oh cool. Wikipedia says SSE was introduced with the PIII. Which is the extra processor I have.

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leprechau:

brb...rebooter...kernel update....

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levander:

sses shows up a bunch of times in kallsyms

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cmoates:

Well it might be in there then

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oobe:

is there a way to specify xvmc for only one channel

[17:13:03]

levander:

oobe: I'd be surprised. It seems the mythtv-setup gives you the option whether or not to use XvMC, per capture card.

[17:13:13]

levander:

oobe: Maybe there's another place to set it I haven't seen...

[17:14:06]

oobe:

i was hoping it might be under channels editor in myth-setup

[17:15:08]

levander:

cmoates: I found it, it's supposed to be in the flags row of /proc/cpuinfo

[17:15:23]

levander:

And yes! I have it.

[17:15:25]

cmoates:

That only indicates if your CPU has it

[17:15:30]

cmoates:

Not if the kernel is compiled with support for it

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levander:

Good thing I didn't buy that dual Celeron BP-6 board back when I got this one.

[17:15:58]

cmoates:

heh

[17:16:00]

levander:

cmoates: Maybe the page I'm looking at is wrong: http://sourceware.org/gdb/papers/linux/linux-sse.html

[17:16:23]

levander:

Under "Verify that your kernel supports the Streaming SIMD Extensions"

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cmoates:

I see that, hmm

[17:16:58]

levander:

cmoates: Your sure that just means my CPU supports it?

[17:17:17]

cmoates:

I'm not 100% positive, but if you'd asked me if I was sure without that page, I'd have said that I was pretty darned sure. ;)

[17:17:26]

cmoates:

I've been wrong before, mind you

[17:17:35]

levander:

cmoates: The file is called "cpuinfo" It's not called "kernelinfo"

[17:17:46]

cmoates:

yeah I know, that's why I thought the way I did

[17:18:13]

cmoates:

Though when I think about it, pentium 2's (I think it was) had that f00f bug, and cpuinfo would show foof_bug as a flag

[17:18:17]

cmoates:

Clearly, Intel didn't call it that

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cmoates:

So it must be at least in some minor way influenced by the kernel

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cmoates:

Worst case the deinterlacing doesn't work for whatever reason, and you change it

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techwimbo:

you guys think this pc can pull off HD back-end/frontend? http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?pro . . . ecifications

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iamlindoro_:

No effin way

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iamlindoro_:

Backend, fine. Frontend, not a chance

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techwimbo:

iamlindoro_ : HD too with a pvr-350 and pvr-150?

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iamlindoro_:

The PVRs don't support HD.

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techwimbo:

I thoguht the 500 did o;

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iamlindoro_:

Nope.

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directhex:

the 500 is a pair of 150s

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directhex:

c7? techwimbo, you're having a laugh, right? via cpus struggle with SD, let alone HD

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iamlindoro_:

But that said, that system will record HD without issue, since that requires little to no processor. But playback? Never EVER.

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techwimbo:

directhex: I've just never set up a mythtv box, gotta get the elementary questions out of the way

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directhex:

techwimbo, HD eats good processors for breakfast. via cpus were slow by design years ago, let alone today

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iamlindoro_:

techwimbo: Good capture cards for HD would be things like an HD 3000, and HD 5500, an HDHomeRun, an AverMedia A180, Kworld 110 or 115

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techwimbo:

directhex: I see. what about the athlon 64 x2 3600+ clocked at 1.9. cheap and low on power I think

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iamlindoro_:

That's still going to have a big problem with playback.

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directhex:

iamlindoro, mpeg2? ought to cope, oughtn't it?

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iamlindoro_:

2.4ish Ghz P4 is *minimum* for *some* Hd Playback

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cmoates:

I'd expect an x2 3600 to be just fine

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cmoates:

P4 @2.4 is much slower than A64@1.9

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iamlindoro_:

Ah, missed the preceding stuff to 1.9 ;)

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seth|web:

i can do hd content on a sempron 3000+ (non 64bit) that is 1.99GHz (but I need to use xvmc)

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cmoates:

I can't imagine a A64 3600+ would be a problem, especially one with dual cores to offload the OS crap

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, should be fine for MP2

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iamlindoro_:

my bad

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bsdfox_:

1080p h264 is hard to decode :P

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directhex:

bsdfox_, "hard"? try "hellish"!

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cmoates:

xvmc is teh evil!

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cmoates:

hehe

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iamlindoro_:

That's true

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cmoates:

indeed

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cmoates:

Are there good test clips for h264 around to use?

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seth|web:

well xvmc + Grey OSD + Neon-Wide is a pretty good combo ;-)

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cmoates:

grey osd to hide the fact that xvmc makes your OSD b&w?

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seth|web:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

There's a site floating around with h.264 clips from European broadcast, those should be good test clips

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seth|web:

but i also use it on the amd64 box, its just nice to look at

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directhex:

cmoates, http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/

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cmoates:

Thanks

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, that's the one I was thinking of

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cmoates:

seth|web, you'd probably like metallurgy

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techwimbo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Power_consumption_graph.PNG I guess this chart could help. hd-capable low power consumption. a64 3200+ looks alright. hrm.

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cmoates:

cheap and hd capable and low power are going to have a reasonably small intersection

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techwimbo:

heh true cmoates.

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seth|web:

wow, cmoates , I do, I didn't know that existed.

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iamlindoro_:

Justinh is building his new frontend with a Core 2 Mobile, that could be a nice little choice

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directhex:

cmoates, core 2 t5 and t7 models?

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cmoates:

core2 is definitely lower power

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cmoates:

but not cheap

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directhex:

cheaper than itanium2

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cmoates:

sure

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cmoates:

In fact, c2d is what I'd recommend at this point

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directhex:

cheaper than a walrus

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iamlindoro_:

Depends the walrus

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cmoates:

But not cheaper than the older amd64 chips

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directhex:

this cpu isn't enough for h264 hd. make of that what you will

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cmoates:

which cpu

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cmoates:

h264 is still single threaded too, IIRC which doesn't help either

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directhex:

model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 FX-55 Processor

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cmoates:

ah

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defaultro:

h264 from what i was told yetserday does support multi cpu now

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cmoates:

oh, nice

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iamlindoro_:

Although applying the patch to enable multithreaded decoding should be okay

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defaultro:

is that cpu older than my athlon 64 3000

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bsdfox_:

techwimbo: I have a 3200+ and it can't handle HD at all

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cmoates:

bsdfox_, 32 or 64 bit

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defaultro:

bsdbox, i only have 3000+ and am ableto play hd like a charm

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bsdfox_:

I've used both

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defaultro:

i've been using this box since 2005

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bsdfox_:

mpeg2?

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defaultro:

yes

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bsdfox_:

I'm talking h264 1080

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techwimbo:

bsdfox_: hrm.

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defaultro:

at 1920x1080

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cmoates:

bsdfox_, I meant Athlon32 vs Athlon64 but that answered my question ;)

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defaultro:

even h264

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defaultro:

1080p

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defaultro:

someone even modified Elephants Dream to match HDDVD specs and I'm able to play it

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bsdfox_:

?

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defaultro:

that someone is from Doom9.org

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techwimbo:

for my cheap mythtv backend sometimes I consider just buying some dell gx270 (p4 3.0) off ebay

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cmoates:

For just a backend that Walmart machine would probably be just fine

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cmoates:

Assuming good capture cards, not framebuffers

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defaultro:

but i will be upgrading next year so I can play 2 hd at the same time for my crt projector blending

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techwimbo:

cmoates: playback of HD wouldn't work out though right?

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cmoates:

no

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iamlindoro_:

no, no playback with that WalMart machine

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iamlindoro_:

Sandtard Def would probably be do-ableish

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bsdfox_:

defaultro: I'm not understanding how your 3000+ can handle all the hd

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cmoates:

better video card?

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iamlindoro_:

Or low bitrates

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bsdfox_:

I was using a 7800gt when I was trying

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bsdfox_:

not sure that makes much/any difference though

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cmoates:

I was using a single core a64/3500 just fine with 1080i sources

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cmoates:

with a 6200

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cmoates:

I've since upgraded to dual core 4400

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defaultro:

bsdfox, I have no idea how I can play HD :P

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defaultro:

here is even my screenshots, http://restricted.dyndns.org/crtscreenshots/

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cmoates:

Out of the box, my myth box is stuttering on one of those h264 vids :(

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defaultro:

those screenshots are 1080p

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defaultro:

i mean, what I was watching are 1080p sources

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defaultro:

bsdbox, what vidcard?

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iamlindoro_:

video card isn't going to do a damn thing for you with x.264

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iamlindoro_:

Whether it's a 5200 or an 8800

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iamlindoro_:

not in linux, anyway

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defaultro:

yes, that is true btut

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defaultro:

i asked that because he might be using agp

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defaultro:

if so, ngagp setting might be incorrect

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defaultro:

mvagp

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defaultro:

nvagp

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defaultro:

lol

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defaultro:

what is bsdfox's cpu?

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defaultro:

bsdfox, i'm also using fluxbox without anything icons on the desktop. Just inky black screen

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iamlindoro_:

He's using a 3200+

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defaultro:

that should do it

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defaultro:

i also tweaked some setting on my kernel. I didn't use fedora's rpm kernel

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defaultro:

i use kernel from linux.org

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defaultro:

i think, i disabled 4k stacks something

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defaultro:

it's been a while

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defaultro:

going back to NvAGP, it should be set to 3. I set it to 1, oh no, playback was horrible

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iamlindoro_:

I can play 1080p with a C2D E4500 @ 2.2 Ghz, but not sure what that's analogous to on an AMD... I only have Intel Proc's.

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defaultro:

i think so

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defaultro:

mine is 2Ghz

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defaultro:

if I recall correctly

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defaultro:

Here is what I wrote back in 2005, http://restricted.dyndns.org/pvr.html

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defaultro:

some links are dead though

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defaultro:

it's still the same machine I'm using right now

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iamlindoro_:

All you talk about there is MPEG-2, however. Mpeg-2 playback is easy on cheap processors. H.264 is what's hard.

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cmoates:

bsdfox was implying that he couldn't even get mpeg2 HD though

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cmoates:

Or maybe I inferred it, who knows ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, my impression was that he could do Mpeg-2, but not x.264 (which is proabbly appropriate)

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iamlindoro_:

But if he's out there perhaps he can set us straight?

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defaultro:

iamlindoro, I mentioned above that someone at doom9.org sent me a modified Elephant Dream 1080p that's almost as close to HDDVD specs

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iamlindoro_:

defaultro, I'd need to see the file to know what the issue is there. The bitrate may be low, etc.

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defaultro:

oh, sure

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defaultro:

let me grab it

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defaultro:

http://tjhsst.edu/~jgarrett/6000_3.h264

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defaultro:

he said, it's 6 megabits

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defaultro:

i don't know what he means

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iamlindoro_:

that's lowwwwwwww bitrate

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defaultro:

oh

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iamlindoro_:

HD-DVD/Blu-Ray average between 20–30 Mbit

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iamlindoro_:

So that's why you're able to play it

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defaultro:

gotcha

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defaultro:

he was lying then

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defaultro:

he said it's close to HDDVD specs

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defaultro:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1035041#post1035041

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iamlindoro_:

Well, it might technically be within the spec, but the bitrate ranges may be from nothing up to what fills a disc

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defaultro:

but when I played that, my cpu was 99%

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iamlindoro_:

But what you find on a real disk, to fill 30–50 Gb, is 20–35 Mbitish

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defaultro:

as compared to playing apple trailers, it was only at 37%

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iamlindoro_:

Hold on, once I get it downloaded I'll compare that to a straight Rip of "Enter the Dragon" off my HD-DVD to show

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defaultro:

bam

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defaultro:

send me at least 5mins

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defaultro:

I want to try it

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defaultro:

I missed Bruce Lee

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iamlindoro_:

No, I'm not going to share illegally, sorry

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defaultro:

huh

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defaultro:

5 mins

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iamlindoro_:

Nope

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defaultro:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

Not going to do it, sorry

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defaultro:

np

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defaultro:

isn't what your doing is illegal :D

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defaultro:

jk

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iamlindoro_:

Ripping DVDs? Nope, protected by fair use.

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iamlindoro_:

Sharing, not so much.

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defaultro:

oh, DVD

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iamlindoro_:

HD-DVD

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defaultro:

you won't get as high as that

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defaultro:

but the tool you are using right?

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iamlindoro_:

What about it?

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defaultro:

i think it's illegal, the volume keys

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defaultro:

but you are correct

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defaultro:

as long as it is within your house, it's legal

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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defaultro:

i was also planning to buy xbox hddvd and use it with mplayer to watch hddvd

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defaultro:

however, my money got spent on A2

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iamlindoro_:

Well, it's not that simple

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bsdfox_:

I can play mpeg2 hd just fine

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defaultro:

i have seen it and it's simple

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bsdfox_:

h264 chokes though

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defaultro:

did you download the link bsdfox?

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defaultro:

my machine doesn't choke on that file

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iamlindoro_:

You can't currently play off the drive, you need to rip... and to play the audio tracks, you need to patch and compile your mplayer with a few patched

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iamlindoro_:

er patches

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defaultro:

yep, i've seen the howto

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defaultro:

bsdfox, try this, http://tjhsst.edu/~jgarrett/6000_3.h264

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iamlindoro_:

Hey, wtf do I know, right? I'm just the one who actually *does* it

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defaultro:

iamlindoro, did you try the file?

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bsdfox_:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

I'm not at home. I am ssh'ed in, though. When I have it downloaded I will show you the bitrate comparison

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defaultro:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

I can play x.264 just fine

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bsdfox_:

yeah I can too.. using the 3200+ as my backend now

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defaultro:

that's weird that you can't play mpeg2 :P

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iamlindoro_:

He *can*

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defaultro:

he said, he can't earlier

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iamlindoro_:

he said he can

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defaultro:

now am confused

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bsdfox_:

I can

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bsdfox_:

I can't play h264

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defaultro:

ok

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bsdfox_:

can play mpeg2 .. same thing I've said all along

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iamlindoro_:

lord

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defaultro:

have you tried the link I gave to you?

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bsdfox_:

downloading

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

I got confused here -> <cmoates> bsdfox was implying that he couldn't even get mpeg2 HD though

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iamlindoro_:

<bsdfox_> I can play mpeg2 hd just fine

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bsdfox_:

cmoates is confused too

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defaultro:

yep, I didn't see that

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defaultro:

:D

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defaultro:

so yeah, let me know how it plays on that file I sent

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shanky:

hi

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shanky:

I'm trying to set up a satellite card with mythubuntu

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shanky:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-3000

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ikke_:

could someone help me taking backtrace? i compiled with --build-type=debug, installed, run in gdb, but when frontend crashes and i say bt, it says no stack...?

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shanky:

the first problem is that I've only been able to get DVB-T subtype at ID Frontend line in the setup

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shanky:

and my other question is what setup I have to use in DiSEqC if I have a "building sattelite installation"

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defaultro:

bsdfox, any updates?

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iamlindoro_:

OK, so that file is less than 1/3rd of the bitrate usually found on even a low bitrate HDDVD... It's 5.979 Mbit, Enter the Dragon is 21.902, Pirates of the Caribbean is 33.252, all at 1080p

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, I'm sure that's why it's possible to play it

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Hoxzer:

:\ Hmmm, Mythtv-multirec irregulary does recordings without file. According to the mythbackend log the recording process itself ends normally and starts normally. EIther mythbackend is cheating with its messages or mythtv somehow removes wrong files from the recordDir. ANybody else experiencing some problems with mythtv-multirec branch ?

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cmoates:

iamlindoro_, which processor did you say you're using?

[18:50:46]

iamlindoro_:

I can play all my 1080p content on both my systems, one is an E4500 @ 2.2 Ghz, the Other is a Q6600... Obviously, the Q6600 has an easier time of it :)

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cmoates:

gotcha

[18:51:05]

iamlindoro_:

the E4500 will sometimes drop a frame or two, but it's defintiely watchable

[18:51:18]

cmoates:

My A64 X2/4400 is stuttering on one of the test clips I downloaded from that site

[18:51:22]

cmoates:

How do I determine the files bitrate?

[18:51:28]

directhex:

h264 versus mpeg2

[18:51:45]

iamlindoro_:

directhex, yeah, in this case I mean x.264 content

[18:51:55]

bsdfox_:

my E2140@2.8ghz plays everything fine

[18:52:09]

iamlindoro_:

cmoates, it's not perfect (and sometimes inaccurate) but ffmpeg -i filename should give you good info

[18:52:13]

bsdfox_:

not bad for a $60 cpu :P

[18:53:31]

cmoates:

So stuttering at 19.5Mb/s on my 4400

[18:53:37]

cmoates:

That's not good; )

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iamlindoro_:

Well at least it's stuttering at a nice high bitrate

[18:54:04]

cmoates:

You said that HDDVD is 30

[18:54:07]

cmoates:

19 seems semi-low?

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iamlindoro_:

What are you playing with, mplayer? Are you running SVN?

[18:54:23]

iamlindoro_:

it's the low end of HD-DVD, but if you want to play EU Broadcast, I think that's about right

[18:54:30]

cmoates:

I haven't tried anything optimized yet, to be honest. I downloaded it and it played in myth svn using the internal player, I'm going to guess

[18:54:47]

iamlindoro_:

yeah, so two options:

[18:54:56]

iamlindoro_:

add the patch to enable multithreaded playback

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iamlindoro_:

play with current mplayer SVN

[18:55:07]

iamlindoro_:

either of which would probably more than handle that file

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cmoates:

multithreaded playback in myth isn't in trunk yet, eh?

[18:55:38]

iamlindoro_:

Last I checked, you needed to add a tiny patch to enable it

[18:55:49]

iamlindoro_:

Which should be on the dev list

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cmoates:

I'll go and check the mailing list then

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cmoates:

Unfortunately, I'm primarily interested for HDDVD since I'm in the US

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cmoates:

Fortunately, I can both apply patches and buy faster cpu's ;)

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rmcnamara__:

multithreaded playback should set you right, I would think

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cmoates:

We'll find out, I'll mess with it tonight

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iamlindoro__:

If it's *almost* able to play it on one core at 19 Mbit, should help a lot

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cmoates:

yeah

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cmoates:

I get a half-second pause every 2–3 seconds

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cmoates:

That's not hateful

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iamlindoro__:

Yeah, def. could be worse

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cmoates:

Is the xbox hddvd drive still the way to go?

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iamlindoro_:

I have that drive and a Blu-ray drive on a low power windows box, and rip with AnyDVD HD, then dump it on to the mythbox

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cmoates:

how long do the rips take?

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iamlindoro_:

Under an hour, generally

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cmoates:

not bad

[19:01:59]

iamlindoro_:

Sometimes a bit more, but usually right about there

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Hoxzer:

Hmmm...

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directhex:

i still want libdeaacs.so.0.1

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Le_Vert:

hi :)

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Le_Vert:

someone available here to help me to get mythtv working with a freebox ?

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Le_Vert:

well, in fact, I admit I don't understand anything about how mythtv works

[19:21:29]

Le_Vert:

I think my video source is correctly setup

[19:21:44]

Le_Vert:

but now when I'm stuck with the grabber thinggy

[19:21:50]

Le_Vert:

(what's a grabber ???)

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kormoc:

something that grabs listings (list of shows and times for your channels)

[19:22:36]

Le_Vert:

then a terminal get's started and ask me what kind of channels to scan

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Le_Vert:

I disable everything except FREEBOX

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Le_Vert:

next it ask me to run mythfilldatabase --manual

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Le_Vert:

I don't understand what to do there

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Le_Vert:

when I run this it ask me things about channels

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Le_Vert:

and then get's into an infinite loop

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kormoc:

have you read the docs?

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Le_Vert:

I read some, yes

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Le_Vert:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FreeBox < it's a bit fast

[19:24:28]

Le_Vert:

easy step are well documented

[19:24:33]

Le_Vert:

the hard ones are not :/

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kormoc:

try reading the generic mythtv docs on the website and then try again

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Le_Vert:

I don't understand why is it so complicated

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Le_Vert:

Free provide a m3u playlist

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Le_Vert:

that contains all channels

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Le_Vert:

:/

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kormoc:

myth doesn't only work with just free, not everyone has it so simple

[19:26:12]

Le_Vert:

yes I know

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Le_Vert:

but I guessed it'd be easy with free

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kormoc:

so it's designed to be super flexable and thus a bit complicated

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Le_Vert:

doesn't seem so

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iamlindoro_:

If you want it to work better, improve the code

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kormoc:

read up on the normal myth docs and perhaps you'd understand

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iamlindoro_:

I'm sure tout le monde would appreciate it

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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iamlindoro_:

Seems like a cool little setup, though

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Le_Vert:

yes maybe

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Le_Vert:

but I still not understand wtf is that f** loop

[19:29:05]

iamlindoro_:

Also take a look here: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=9

[19:29:18]

iamlindoro_:

Perhaps a thread there is relevant

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Le_Vert:

let's forget mythtv for now

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Le_Vert:

I have some debian package that neeed work

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otwin:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

Hard to do that in a Mythtv chat room :)

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Le_Vert:

and it's far more important

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Le_Vert:

:)

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Le_Vert:

I hoped mythtv would allow me to have something like front row on linux but it doesn't seem so

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Le_Vert:

thanks anyway

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Le_Vert:

cya

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alibi:

Hey all

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alibi:

So is anyone successfully sharing TV shows to itunes with mythtv -> firefly?

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iamlindoro_:

Dunno anything about firefly, but I just run a userjob that transcodes for my iPhone and publishes all recordings to iTunes via podcast

[20:03:06]

iamlindoro_:

Which is, more often than not, just turned off because I never have time to watch on my iPhone anyway

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alibi:

Is that Myth->iTunes?

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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alibi:

I havent played with it yet

[20:04:06]

alibi:

But I don't like the idea of all the duplicate files

[20:04:31]

iamlindoro_:

Never heard of firefly... aside from the show and the remote control

[20:04:50]

alibi:

Ah- yeah. I stumbled across it in Debian. It's a DAAP server.

[20:05:16]

alibi:

And somehow, you can share the files from Myth (even though I guess they are not real MPEGs)

[20:05:39]

iamlindoro_:

Myth Mpegs absolutely are real mpegs

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alibi:

I see evidence in my google searches that people have done this, but nothing anywhere near a HOWTO

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iamlindoro_:

only time you would get anything else is if you have a framegrabbe

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alibi:

Ok... But then what's this NUV name mean?

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iamlindoro_:

That's the format you get if you have a framegrabber

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iamlindoro_:

which suck

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iamlindoro_:

and most people no longer have them

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alibi:

Ah-ha

[20:06:52]

alibi:

Ok

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alibi:

Good

[20:07:17]

alibi:

Well, no problem then. :)

[20:07:22]

alibi:

Firefly should work

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iamlindoro_:

otherwise, you end up with an MPEG (2 or 4/h.264) depending on where you live

[20:07:32]

alibi:

I'll get it working this weekend

[20:07:40]

iamlindoro_:

Why you'd want to use iTunes as a myth frontend, i'll never know, but...

[20:07:40]

alibi:

and post instructions somewhere

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alibi:

Well,

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alibi:

Because

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alibi:

I live in Belgium now

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alibi:

and download lots of shows.

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iamlindoro_:

bzzt, better stop there

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alibi:

Would be nice to have everything in one place

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alibi:

(I BUY lots of shows)

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iamlindoro_:

ah

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iamlindoro_:

ok

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alibi:

Hence, the iTunes

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xris:

alibi: no fair... /me grumbles about not being able to get a Belgian CD he wants

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iamlindoro_:

you'll probably get good howto info by googling the original name

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iamlindoro_:

ie "mythtv mt-daapd"

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iamlindoro_:

Like this, for example: http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=MythMusicRemoteHowTo

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iamlindoro_:

which is obviously music, but it's getting close

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** xris wishes he knew flex/swf better so he could get a nice music player put into mythweb **

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fryfrog:

anyone seen this "eye-fi"?

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fryfrog:

www.eye.fi

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, saw that a month or two ago when it got released

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fryfrog:

got or know anyone that gots one?

[20:15:44]

iamlindoro_:

I like that it has smugmug sync, I put all my photos there

[20:16:00]

fryfrog:

it has gallery support :)

[20:16:03]

iamlindoro_:

My cubicle mate has one, he likes it because he takes most of his photos at home of his kid

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fryfrog:

is smugmug like flikr?

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iamlindoro_:

somewhat, I like it a lot better, but it's not free

[20:16:25]

iamlindoro_:

robertmcnamara.smugmug.com

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iamlindoro_:

Like the galleries better

[20:16:39]

iamlindoro_:

clear, nice UI

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fryfrog:

i've been hoping for a nice ui on gallery :/

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, I think they sync to like 20 different services, you're bound to find one that you like

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fryfrog:

eye-fi you mean?

[20:17:46]

iamlindoro_:

yeah

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fryfrog:

oh, i know it syncs to what i use :)

[20:18:06]

iamlindoro_:

Also, I beleive you can fill up the card and it will automatically upload when you bring it in range of your wifi

[20:18:09]

fryfrog:

i was just curious if anyone had one

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fryfrog:

yar, that seems to be how it works

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iamlindoro_:

I only know anecdotally, though... my mate's out for the day

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fryfrog:

they have one?

[20:18:54]

iamlindoro_:

yeah

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fryfrog:

2 people said they tried it with SD -> CF adapter

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fryfrog:

1 said it didn't work, the other said it worked after they formated it

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andrewju:

Hi All

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iamlindoro_:

Hrm, I think he's using it in his Point and Shoot... we both have Canon 30Ds, but I don't think he's tried with an adapter for that

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro_: that is a decent and pretty quick interface

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, I like it a lot. Print ordering is a snap, too, and all the EXIF data is there, which is nice too

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fryfrog:

your dog likes to put his head on the ground with his ears up :)

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fryfrog:

er, she

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, she, yeah

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iamlindoro_:

She's a good girl

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iamlindoro_:

Mostly because I usually ply her with a treat to make her sit still ;)

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, off to lunch..

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andrewju:

I need some help to configure my soundcard... I have sound but I can't control its volume from Myth... Any ideas what I need to set up?

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jduggan:

hmm

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jduggan:

my signal amplifier _reduces_ signal when i plug into it

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jduggan:

think its broke?

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jduggan:

:\

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fryfrog:

jduggan: does it reduce *quality* or strength?

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fryfrog:

cause bosting via amp can reduce quality and if it is boosting *too* much, it'll ruin it

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** directhex needs to use 2 boosters just to get a signal **

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fryfrog:

jesus

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fryfrog:

comcat put a boster *right* where it comes into the hosue and it helped a ton

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andrewju:

Any ideas about the sound configuration???

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andrewju:

Please! :)

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cythrault:

hi, i'm having a lot of segfaults with various myth components, like backend, filldb, archivehelper, etc... i've compiled with debug enable a ran a trace... but before submitting to the trac, i was wondering if there was more steps i could take to troobleshoot this.

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stiev3:

so finally scored my stb's... motorola DCH3200's. Shot in the dark, but anyone familiar with using the firewire ports on this model?

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directhex:

i prefer open standards

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cmoates:

iamlindoro_, your photos taught me something. I have misspelled praying mantis all these years :/

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fryfrog:

cmoates: how did you spell it?

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cmoates:

preying

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fryfrog:

stiev3: are they HD DVR, HD Tuner or ?

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

what is the diff between pray and prey?

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jams:

prey is food pray is spiritual

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bsdfox_:

pray to a deity

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fryfrog:

oh

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bsdfox_:

hunt prey

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stiev3:

fryfrog, they're the nondvr versions of my cable companys hd receivers.

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iamlindoro_:

cmoates, hahaha

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cmoates:

:)

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iamlindoro_:

just back from lunch ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Would certainly be understandable the other way

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cmoates:

Which is why I never questioned my spelling of it

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iamlindoro_:

I think it has to do with the way their forearms are arranged

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cmoates:

Most likely

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cmoates:

I can definitely see how it is "praying" but they look like a predator

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cmoates:

evil critters

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, that bug was PISSED, too

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cmoates:

We have them all over my yard/house

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iamlindoro_:

Found it hanging out the dog's mouth

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cmoates:

hah

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cmoates:

So it was a half eaten pissed off praying mantis

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iamlindoro_:

Only time I had even seen one

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iamlindoro_:

had no idea we had then around here

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iamlindoro_:

I am creeped out by bugs in general

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cmoates:

You said it was 8" long, that's pretty big

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, I measured :)

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cmoates:

Most around here are in the 4–6" range

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cmoates:

I don't think I've seen one that large

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phalanxjc:

Don't kill it, those things eat spiders

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cmoates:

But I have seen a moth that was bigger than my hand, that creeped me out

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cmoates:

I thought it was a bat

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iamlindoro_:

I actually resuced it and let it go... after pictures

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iamlindoro_:

er rescued

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cmoates:

phalanxjc, I don't kill them, they are on my house for a good reason

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phalanxjc:

good to hear, I wish I had a couple

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phalanxjc:

Hey guys, what should I start with to build my own HTPC? Case, HD, tuner card or what?

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phalanxjc:

I'm new to all this

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iamlindoro_:

honestly, best thing to start with is a very clear set of requirements

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iamlindoro_:

Then choosing equipment is a lot simpler

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directhex:

you should... what iamlindoro said

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iamlindoro_:

ie what type of cable/ota, what are you outputting to, SD/HD, etc

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directhex:

largely, the "htpc" principle is very windows-centric. is that really what you want? a big powerful pc in the living room?

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phalanxjc:

well, rather linux and mythtv

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directhex:

and, don't neglect thought over the non-computer parts, such as audio and screens

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phalanxjc:

I just got a new Sharp Aquos 42"

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directhex:

okay, that would be a good screen then :_

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directhex:

:)

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phalanxjc:

yeah I highly recommend it

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directhex:

do you want access to your tv shows only on that tv, or elsewhere in your house too?

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iamlindoro_:

so you'll probably want to output with DVI or HDMI. So, a decent nVidia card, 5200 or better, probably. That's a start

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phalanxjc:

I think I have the basics in mind, and I think I would like to have the backend/main frontend in the same machine

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phalanxjc:

So, i guess I'm stuck on cases to choose from

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directhex:

phalanxjc, how much storage do you want support for? how concerning is noise?

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iamlindoro_:

Llots of good options there. People are fond of the antec cases, I use thisand like it a lot: http://www.dvhardware.net/review79_zalmanhd160.html

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phalanxjc:

storage at or above 500 GB's, noise pref. low

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directhex:

are you concened with "hi-fi" look,s por is conventional atx tower style acceptable?

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iamlindoro_:

The case I linked mounts the drives on silicone grommets to reduce noise

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cmoates:

If noise pref is low, you might consider putting the backend elsewhere

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cmoates:

You can silence fans, and you can grommet-mount disks

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cmoates:

But disks still make some small amount of noise

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directhex:

cmoates, that's my usual preference. having my backend in the living room sucks

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phalanxjc:

I was looking at a similar case from silverstone

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directhex:

8 disks isn't quiet

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cmoates:

exactly

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, if you want it absolutely silent, you could put the backend somewhere in a closet and boot off Compact Flash or Solid State on your frontend

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cmoates:

The silverstone that mythic.tv uses/sells is really nice, I've seen that up close

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cmoates:

I have a thermaltake bach which I am happy with

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, those are nice looking

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directhex:

generally, if you really want the quietest option, you need to split the BE & FE, and use something mostly passive like a mac mini as a frontend

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phalanxjc:

8 disks is intense

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directhex:

but silence costs

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phalanxjc:

good point

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iamlindoro_:

That said, when something is actually *playing*, it's pretty easy to overlook a little system noise

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iamlindoro_:

I never notice and my system is 7 disks, some system fans, etc.

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cmoates:

true

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directhex:

i plan on making my BE/FE a backend only once i move house, and using a mac mini as a frontend

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cmoates:

Though the other week when I powered down my myth, I was startled by how much quieter it got in the room

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directhex:

and another one for the bedroom

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cmoates:

You get used to the noise if it's not too bad

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phalanxjc:

you guys with all these disks, are most of these hard drives?

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cmoates:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

cmoates, heh, i beleive it... It's definitely a fair amount of soft "white" noise when nothing is going

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cmoates:

HD is large

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cmoates:

7GB/hour, on average

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directhex:

phalanxjc, it's a raid5 array of 8 250gb disk drives

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, I have 6x750 and 1x500. 750s for movies, 500 for tv recordings

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cmoates:

And the older the backend, the smaller the disks, so 6x200 or 8x250 isn't uncommon

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cmoates:

iamlindoro_, that's exactly the opposite of how I'd go, I'd think, but I'm not a big movie guy

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iamlindoro_:

cmoates, well to be accurate, I transcode all my HD TV stuff and drop it into my mythvideo archive

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cmoates:

ahh

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cmoates:

cheater ;)

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iamlindoro_:

so technically it's mostly TV

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phalanxjc:

would you guys suggest one large drive from everything or several drives as RAID?

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cmoates:

the 500gb disk is just a queue

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, I just like my own folder organization for it. Make each episode a nice 1 GB x.264 files

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cmoates:

depends on how much you care if you lose your tv shows

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, exactly

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cmoates:

iamlindoro_, x.264 gets you down to 1GB/hr for HD?

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cmoates:

I need to get that working, apparently

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iamlindoro_:

cmoates, yeah, I follow the "scene" approach, which is actually a 1.07 GB file... straight AC3 Copy with x.264 video

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iamlindoro_:

720p across the board

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iamlindoro_:

so yeah, some of the 1080 stuff gets resized, but it doesn't bother me

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cmoates:

phalanxjc, if losing your TV shows in the event of a hard drive failure is ok with you, then a single large disk is cheaper, quieter and less hassle

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iamlindoro_:

I can lend my script if you like

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cmoates:

This is the route I take. It's just TV

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cmoates:

iamlindoro_, sure

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iamlindoro_:

k, hold on, I'll pastebin it. I just run it as a user job.

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cmoates:

phalanxjc, On the other hand, if you get a stomach ache at the thought of losing your TV shows, you need to do a RAID of some sort

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directhex:

a 24-port PCIe areca sas controller is my suggestion

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phalanxjc:

Ok, good advice, I think I would backup the important stuff externally anyways

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cmoates:

hehe

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iamlindoro_:

cmoates, here: http://www.pastebin.ca/802037

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cmoates:

Just get an EMC DMX at that point directhex ;)

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directhex:

cmoates, emc can lick my balls, tbh

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cmoates:

excellent, thanks

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iamlindoro_:

I've commented the crap out of it so it should be pretty easy to understand. I also set it up to use multiple processors.

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directhex:

real storage doesn't run windows xp

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cmoates:

You do that on the Q6600 I guess

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iamlindoro_:

does 500 Mb for a half hour show, 1.07 GB for a hourlong

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cmoates:

directhex, xp?

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cmoates:

The unit I work with has redhat on it

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directhex:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLARiiON

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directhex:

the windows xp embedded cd keys stuck on the top ae a dead giveaway

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cmoates:

You mean the management console?

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directhex:

the array itself. it eats a good few gigs of your array, which isn't a good start. anyway, enough about emc. i don't like emc, i won't re-buy emc

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cmoates:

fair enough

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cmoates:

It beat the heck out of the netapp solution we were dealing with prior to othat

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directhex:

netapp smell too. silly expensive, poor extensibility

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cmoates:

8 years ago, the options weren't as good as they are not

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cmoates:

err now

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defaultro:

iamlindoro?

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iamlindoro_:

yo

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defaultro:

hey, just got back :)

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defaultro:

I saw your post

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iamlindoro_:

hola

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iamlindoro_:

re?

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defaultro:

wow, the one i used is way way far

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defaultro:

1/3 megabit

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defaultro:

i mean, 1/3 or your Enter the Dragon

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iamlindoro_:

yeah

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defaultro:

so when I upgrade, what cpu should I buy

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iamlindoro_:

I didn't transcode it, either, it's just straight off the disc and decrypted

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cmoates:

core 2 quad ;)

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iamlindoro_:

I honestly can't tell you *for sure*, because I don't think it's perfectly understood yet... but my E4500 works well, and my Quad works perfectly

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iamlindoro_:

I think anything anyone can tell you is Anecdotal

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defaultro:

what is the spec of E4500

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iamlindoro_:

2 Cores @ 2.2 Ghz

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defaultro:

ok

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cmoates:

Yeah, though buying the fastest most expensive CPU you can find is more likely to solve the problem ;)

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defaultro:

i'm planning to do 2 hd at the same time

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iamlindoro_:

Well, recording Hd takes like no CPU

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defaultro:

i don't have a problem, I'm preparing :D

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defaultro:

so I will take buy the fastest cpu then

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iamlindoro_:

Can't hurt :)

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defaultro:

yep

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iamlindoro_:

I have all that CPU because I do so much transcoding, really, less so for the playback. Could have gotten away with much less than the quad on the MBE

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cmoates:

no linux compatible h264 hardware decoders out there, eh?

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iamlindoro_:

Sadly :(

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iamlindoro_:

ElGato has one on the mac, would be great to see that get support

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defaultro:

and even purevideo won't ever be ported to linux :(

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iamlindoro_:

Well, if it does, it'll be more that possible to do it with just CPU at that point and it won't matter

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iamlindoro_:

It's getting dangerously close to "widely possible" with new patched to ffmpeg, mplayer, and myth

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defaultro:

?

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iamlindoro_:

er pathces

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iamlindoro_:

er patches

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iamlindoro_:

dangit

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defaultro:

:D what is close?

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defaultro:

what update/

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defaultro:

?

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iamlindoro_:

the barrier to entry in x.264 playback is coming down with improvements in multithreaded playback

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defaultro:

wow

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defaultro:

:D

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defaultro:

that is sweet

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defaultro:

1 more year?

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iamlindoro_:

Well, time is not so much an issue. Really, with a decent C2Duo and recent mplayer, you can play multithreaded x.264 HD stuff *today*

[21:55:04]

cmoates:

It's integration that we're waiting on, mostly

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iamlindoro_:

They're just constantly improving it, and ironing out kinks

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iamlindoro_:

Ergo my E4500 being able to do it, which isn't that fantastic a processor

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black_Nightmare_:

anyone here run any geforce fx cards?

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defaultro:

cool

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defaultro:

are we behind BeyontTV or Microsoft PVR, etc?

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iamlindoro_:

How so?

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defaultro:

in the case of cable tv

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defaultro:

but in playback, my mythtv's steps on my friends pvrs :D

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clever:

2007-11–29 17:58:21.303 MythControls, Error: No controls container in theme

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iamlindoro_:

Well, depends on what you're looking at. You can now get CableCard systems in MCE, but there are any number of features on Myth you will never be able to get on MCE

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clever:

plugins are broken a bit

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defaultro:

k

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cmoates:

And without cablecard, MCE still doesn't do QAM I don't think

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defaultro:

ok

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black_Nightmare_:

kinda thinking that since I found some cheap retail one..might just go with a fx card (as long as its not hot....heh) and some seperate tuner somewhere instead

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defaultro:

i saw something yesterday and it's something that can be used with myth and linux. It's s***-*g

[22:00:15]

black_Nightmare_:

just not quite sure about doing it

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iamlindoro_:

heh, it's an off-limit topic

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defaultro:

is that for me?

[22:00:43]

iamlindoro_:

yeah

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defaultro:

:D

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iamlindoro_:

Not my choice, just know from listening around here

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defaultro:

that's why I used wildcard

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clever:

how would i fix a 2007-11–29 17:58:21.303 MythControls, Error: No controls container in theme

[22:02:01]

clever:

error?

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black_Nightmare_:

would be too funny if the cpu and gpu ended up at same clock...meh :p

[22:02:21]

iamlindoro_:

I just know that discussing it/enabling it is frowned upon here and is likely to make people stop listening. I'm nobody's mom so I won't say what you can and can't say :)

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clever:

!ping

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clever:

--prefix is broken

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clever:

some things are being installed to the wrong place

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iamlindoro_:

really?

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clever:

im not using /usr/local/ as a prefix

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clever:

so some things are being put into there

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clever:

then looked for elsewhere

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clever:

causing things to break

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iamlindoro_:

Weird

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clever:

symlinks in /usr/local are fixing ti up

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justinh:

well, there went my uptime

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clever:

ouch

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justinh:

swapped aerial cables over and hang!

[22:09:43]

clever:

ive got a 200+ day uptime on 1 box

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clever:

which lived thru a power outage that even killed a laptop

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cmoates:

oops

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justinh:

and now I've lost my window of opportunity to test the new cabling. heh

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clever:

bang asin explode or bang asin locked?

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clever:

locked up*

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clever:

got the plugin working now:)

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justinh:

wow. no wonder I was having problems! so much for soldered connections

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clever:

lol

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clever:

tore loose?

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justinh:

something like that

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clever:

if you bend the wire too much it can easily break

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justinh:

hee hee. top is showing 25% CPU usage with 3 recordings going & PiP in use

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clever:

and there could be stress right at the soldered point

[22:14:21]

justinh:

yeah that's where it broke

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clever:

lol:)

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clever:

i get 100% cpu usage with 1 livetv

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clever:

and it stutters

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justinh:

not bad for an athlon 2000xp

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clever:

1.6ghz+frame grabber:(

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black_Nightmare_:

heh

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clever:

that artifact bug i had on the media box

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clever:

is now on the laptop also

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clever:

http://clever.mine.nu:82/paste/artifact1.png

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clever:

random garbage on 2 edges of the screen

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clever:

sometimes in the form of a solid white line

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clever:

is it posible to have GLOBAL key bindings(affecting all fe's)?

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Saviq:

hi guys, is it possible to edit a video without commflagging?

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iamlindoro_:

sure

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iamlindoro_:

Start playing a recording, press menu, first option is Edit recording

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iamlindoro_:

You can manually put in all your breaks

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Saviq:

yeah and it says 'no seektable'?

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iamlindoro_:

Well that's another issue

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iamlindoro_:

you may have a database issue, I'd run mysqlcheck on it

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Saviq:

will do

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iamlindoro_:

If you don't, you can use mythcommflag from the command line to generate a seektable

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iamlindoro_:

mythcommflag --help to see how

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iamlindoro_:

I think it's mythcommflag --rebuild filename

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Saviq:

--rebuild --file filename

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Saviq:

is it possible that livetv recordings don't have the seektable generated in the first place?

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iamlindoro_:

They should all have seektables

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Saviq:

then something went wrong, never mind

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Saviq:

it works now :)

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Saviq:

thanks

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iamlindoro_:

np

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clever:

some of my recordings seek fine

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clever:

yet are mising from the recordedseek table

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Anduin:

clever: .nuvs? (and there are fallback seeking mechanisms)

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clever:

yeah nuv

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Anduin:

nuvs have the seek info in the nuv file

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clever:

i made a sql query to peek into the recordedseek table to guess the file size in seconds(highest mark value)

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clever:

and device by the filesize from recorded

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clever:

to make the bitrate

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clever:

some recordings are missing from the table though

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DustyBin:

clever: thats not exactly what i call 'clever' either..

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clever:

67 recordings are working with my query

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clever:

including new ones

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clever:

but i have 200+ recordings

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clever:

i have seek info on recordings as far back as 2007-05–01 18:30:00

[22:45:28]

clever:

but i have a recording as far back as 2007-04–03 13:30:00

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DustyBin:

does asterisk have a backend and a frontend?

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Saviq:

depends on what you mean...

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Saviq:

every phone connected is a frontend..

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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clever:

a --rebuild fixed a file that was missing from recordedseek :)

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clever:

now to just script up a mass rebuild

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** DustyBin wonders how much bandwidth a phone call would take up **

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mzb_d800:

depends on the codec

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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clever:

mythtv@theP4:/media/mainlv/mythtv$ ls *.nuv|time xargs -n1 mythcommflag --rebuild --file

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clever:

that should do everything:)

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clever:

my cisco switch can show bandwidth usage on any port

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DustyBin:

very clever mr bond

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clever:

connect a phone to a port by itself and make a call for 5–10mins and you have your answer:P

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DustyBin:

...but not quite clever enough..

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clever:

in a few hours(over 100gig to rebuild) i'll have it fixed

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Saviq:

ok one more question – is there a way to fix character encodings in EIT data?

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iamlindoro_:

I imagine the EIt data uses the same character encoding that your database is set to

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iamlindoro_:

But I know no more than that

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Bolly:

hey there, i just wanted to say – great work on this piece of software i've been using it for about 3 months now and I am really enjoying it

[23:35:49]

Bolly:

However.............. i have some questions! :-)

[23:36:18]

Bolly:

when i add new video files to the machine mythtv is running on i have to go into the video manager before it notices the new video files are in there

[23:36:25]

Bolly:

is there a way i can autoscan for new videos files?

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bsdfox_:

ask away

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iamlindoro_:

Nope, gotta do it manually for now

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Bolly:

okey doke

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Bolly:

and another one

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iamlindoro_:

in SVN you can set it to show new files (which, of course, won't have metadata) but I don't think that's in .20.2

[23:37:34]

Bolly:

occasionally i get the message 'could not connect to the master backend server — is it running' when trying to watch TV

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GreyFoxx:

you have had the ability to browse the filesystem for years

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alibi:

Maybe the server isn't running

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alibi:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

so you don't have you use video manager unless you want to import data for the video

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Bolly:

any reason why? all my machine does is go into mythtv when it boots up and it stays that way

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iamlindoro_:

backend could crash for any number of reasons, really... would need log data to understand why

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Bolly:

is there a way you can get it to start back up when it crashes?

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alibi:

I use monit

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iamlindoro_:

sure, start the backend however your system does it

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iamlindoro_:

whether that's mythbackend -d from a terminal, or using an init script, or whatever way

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alibi:

monit checks status of daemon and restarts if necessary

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Bolly:

i am using mythdora which seemed to be the quickest way for me to get this up and running

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alibi:

I use it against mysql and mythbackend

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Bolly:

ok ill make a note of that and look into monit

[23:39:39]

Bolly:

ok back to the filesystem thing

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Bolly:

how do i show that in media library

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iamlindoro_:

It's a checkbox in MythVideo settings

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Bolly:

i normally goto media library – watch videos

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Bolly:

*checking*

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purserj:

quick question, once I've started an archive running can I leave that window and it'll still run?

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jams:

yes

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purserj:

cool, thanks

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Bolly:

great! that seems to work perfectly

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Bolly:

ok how about with music

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Bolly:

it always seems to default to playlist video

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Bolly:

sorry, i mean playlist view

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iamlindoro_:

by which you mean "only view." :)

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Bolly:

ah hehe

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Bolly:

so there's no way of just having a filesystem view for the music player

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iamlindoro_:

Not that I know of

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Bolly:

ok well i can live with that :-)

[23:50:45]

clever:

myth video is dumb and handles ALL files

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clever:

including audio files

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clever:

so you could use mythvideo to play music

[23:51:10]

clever:

but you can only play 1 file at a time

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Bolly:

well that's how i listen to them :-)

[23:51:20]

clever:

and controling the mplayer may be tricky

[23:51:35]

clever:

mplayer wont open a video window for audio files

[23:51:48]

clever:

so you may need to switch to the terminal and even that might not work

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Bolly:

its ok ill stick to the normal music player

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Bolly:

my house mates get scared with this

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Bolly:

dont want to make it any more complicated for them

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clever:

if you use lirc then it may work

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Bolly:

we do

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Bolly:

ok my final problem is to do with the tv playback

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clever:

but it will be a bit confusing ont he ui

[23:53:22]

clever:

mythvideo will say loading

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clever:

and it will keep saying that while it works

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clever:

because mplayer doesnt open a window for audio

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Bolly:

quite often it just quits out of the tv and says something along the lines of Error during video processing playback

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Bolly:

any idea what that is

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clever:

never had that myslf

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Bolly:

i think its what is responsible for my recordings dying too

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clever:

some1 else in here may know more on that

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iamlindoro_:

Would need to see the full console output to know about that

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Bolly:

where can i get those logs?

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iamlindoro_:

Although if your backend is dying, that would do it

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Bolly:

well it just happened which is why i came on here

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iamlindoro_:

by running frontend from a terminal

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Bolly:

and my backend had died

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iamlindoro_:

or with -l logfile

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Bolly:

ah ok what is the front end command

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iamlindoro_:

mythfrontend

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Bolly:

okies i'll load it up and come back when it next does it

[23:55:30]

Bolly:

actually another one that you guys might know

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Bolly:

i have a usb hard drive that i store alot of media on

[23:55:51]

Bolly:

but when i plug it in i have to keep mounting it manually which is annoying cause i normally dont need a keyboard for this machine

[23:56:26]

Bolly:

know if i can get it to automount to a path that is already setup in mythdora?

[23:56:30]

clever:

you could set a button on the remote to the mount/umount commands

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clever:

thru irexec

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iamlindoro_:

Don't know fedora, so...

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Bolly:

well the thing is it is sometimes sdb1 or sde1

[23:57:01]

Bolly:

it changes its mind

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clever:

then you just point the remote and hit mount

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directhex:

seems pretty easy to me

[23:57:23]

clever:

using udev rules you can make a symlink to it called /dev/usbstick1

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clever:

also check /dev/disk/by-uuid/

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iamlindoro_:

mount by uuid

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clever:

which is symlinks on the uuid

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Bolly:

what's a uuid

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clever:

the uuid is a uniq id number in the drive

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Bolly:

oh nice

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directhex:

make a symlink to the mounted location of the disk inside your media folder

[23:58:06]

kormoc:

Bolly, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUID

[23:58:09]

directhex:

then use the standard pmount functionality in most distros

[23:58:09]

Bolly:

thanks

[23:58:09]

clever:

directhex: that wont actualy mount it though

[23:58:23]

clever:

directhex: and pmount wasnt installed by default in my ubuntu

[23:58:26]

directhex:

if the disk isn't connected, the folder is empty. if it's connected, the folder has media in it

[23:58:29]

clever:

but it is a nice tool

[23:58:31]

Bolly:

can you do things like run commands on mount in linux?

[23:58:38]

Bolly:

i mean, on usb detect

[23:58:43]

directhex:

clever, it's default in ubuntu, dunno about mythbuntu

[23:58:52]

kormoc:

hotplug/coldplug

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clever:

i have ubuntu 6.04

[23:58:55]

directhex:

Bolly, absolutely. but pmount is easier

[23:58:57]

clever:

6.06 i mean

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Bolly:

well the weird thing is that when i first installed this everytime i plugged the drive in it automatically mounted it like it does every other device

[23:59:19]

Bolly:

but now for some reason it doesn't

[23:59:32]

Bolly:

it used to take the name of the drive or something

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clever:

gnome seems to also help with auto mounting

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clever:

aslong as your logged in with gnome on'

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Bolly:

yeah that was it, gnomes mounting stuff

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Bolly:

i can plug an sd card in and that gets mounted but not this drive

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