| Tuesday, November 27th, 2007, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:01] | mzb: | the main problem is the mpeg4 problem |
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| [00:03:27] | mzb: | the error is: WARNING: frames rates do not match |
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| [00:11:38] | mzb: | there is supposed to be further info, but then mythburn.py crashes with: |
| [00:11:40] | mzb: | TypeError: not enough arguments for format string |
| [00:12:07] | mzb: | which would appear to be this line: |
| [00:12:10] | mzb: | write("The frame rate for %s should be %s but the stream info file " |
| [00:12:10] | mzb: | "report a fps of %s" % (fr, fps)) |
| [00:12:25] | mzb: | perhaps I'd better take this over to #mythtv |
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| [00:15:46] | godzirra: | howdy folks... I'm back. |
| [00:15:54] | godzirra: | Can anyone help me with a few minor things? I just got tv out going. |
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| [00:17:25] | mzb: | error seems obvious ^^^ |
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| [00:20:56] | godzirra: | My remote doesn't work agian. |
| [00:21:14] | stiev3: | hey I might be qualified to help!... you have committed an ask to ask violation. yes, I'm pro |
| [00:21:31] | godzirra: | Yeah, I suck. Sorry. |
| [00:21:33] | stiev3: | that's about where my knowledge ends tho |
| [00:23:43] | godzirra: | Bummer. |
| [00:23:50] | godzirra: | I had my remote working, but after rebooting, I don't. |
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| [00:28:20] | kezza491: | i have installed all my mythtv its running very nicly excpet i dont seem to have any Grabbers beside "North America" "Transmitted Guid (EIT)" and "No Grapper" just wondering i downloaded shepherd how do i put that in the graber list to use? |
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| [00:33:25] | Mayber: | so if I wanted mythtv to use this XvMC thing, do I have to recompile it ? or is it just a setting change? |
| [00:34:45] | kormoc: | depends on if it's compiled in or not |
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| [00:35:23] | Mayber: | how could I tell if it is or not? |
| [00:35:34] | Mayber: | i'm using mythubuntu or whatever. |
| [00:38:41] | godzirra: | So can anyone help me with my remote? I had it working, and then I rebooted. I've got lirc_mceusb2 and lircdev in my lsmod. |
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| [00:39:18] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
| [00:39:27] | black_Nightmare_: | had to ask but any of you used any siig pci cards before? |
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| [00:40:05] | mzb: | kezza491: the grabber discovery script times out because some of the grabbers (including shepherd) take too long (more than 20secs iirc) |
| [00:40:13] | Saviq: | hello guys, is it possible to fix the EIT-based data encoding? |
| [00:40:14] | black_Nightmare_: | also another thing...any idea who makes firewire (or a combo of that with something else works too) cards that has aux power connector on it? |
| [00:40:30] | mzb: | kezza491: delete some of the un-needed tv_grab scripts |
| [00:40:35] | godzirra: | Nevermind. apparnetly I just had to symlink /dev/lirc0 to /dev/lirc |
| [00:40:46] | kezza491: | ok but i only have those 3 |
| [00:41:44] | ** black_Nightmare_ kinda wants a card that wouldn't need a damned hub just because of lack of power but meh ** | |
| [00:42:41] | godzirra: | Ok...I've got a few questions. Once I alt tab away from mythtv which is running on my tv, XFCE doesn't let me alt tab -back- to mythtv. How do I make the focus mythtv again so I can use my remote? |
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| [00:44:43] | kezza491: | thank you :) |
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| [00:50:02] | black_Nightmare_: | hm quiet night in here heh |
| [00:50:03] | godzirra: | Second question, my remote is not working correctly. When I hit the channel up button on the remote, it says "Position saved" or "Position cleared". |
| [00:51:05] | feiner: | godzirra: gotta set it to the right key |
| [00:51:24] | godzirra: | How? |
| [00:51:44] | godzirra: | Maybe you know my first question, which is more important. ;) |
| [00:51:48] | godzirra: | Ok...I've got a few questions. Once I alt tab away from mythtv which is running on my tv, XFCE doesn't let me alt tab -back- to mythtv. How do I make the focus mythtv again so I can use my remote? |
| [00:52:35] | feiner: | dunno bout that one, are you running mythtv windowed in the first place or with --geometry ??????? |
| [00:52:42] | feiner: | or fullscreen |
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| [00:53:06] | godzirra: | Its fullscreen. |
| [00:53:12] | godzirra: | I start it with DISPLAY=:0.1 mythfrontend |
| [00:53:18] | godzirra: | and it automagically goes to the tv. |
| [00:53:33] | feiner: | and its fullscreen right |
| [00:53:35] | godzirra: | Yup yup |
| [00:54:47] | feiner: | if its fullscreen i dont think your window manager knows about it so thats probably why |
| [00:55:25] | godzirra: | It works until I hit alt tab... |
| [00:55:26] | feiner: | about the remote you need to edit ~/.lircrc and ~/.mythtv/lircrc, i think |
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| [00:56:42] | godzirra: | Ok. Now I need to figure out how to get focus back onto mythtv then. |
| [00:56:58] | feiner: | yeah but your window manager doesnt know about it i think, because without checking run in window in setup mythtv isnt drawn by your window manager |
| [00:57:06] | feiner: | i dont think, but im not possitive |
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| [00:58:18] | godzirra: | Well, there has to be some way to get it focus, because it starts focused. |
| [00:58:44] | feiner: | yeah because mythtv draws itself in front |
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| [00:59:12] | feiner: | without telling your window manager jack about what its doing |
| [00:59:35] | feiner: | unless you run it in a window via the setting in setup |
| [00:59:42] | feiner: | then the window manager knows about it |
| [00:59:59] | feiner: | atleast thats what i think is going on |
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| [01:01:22] | gbee: | not true |
| [01:02:05] | feiner: | then why wont his window manager let him switch back to it via alt tab |
| [01:02:20] | gbee: | fullscreen is the same as windowed, except that there are no borders and the window dimensions are the same as the screen res |
| [01:02:41] | feiner: | k i dunno then |
| [01:02:43] | godzirra: | Ok. Well how do I get focus back to it then? |
| [01:02:46] | gbee: | feiner: no idea |
| [01:03:57] | feiner: | prolly a window manager problem cause i can do it |
| [01:04:14] | godzirra: | WIth what window manager? |
| [01:04:23] | feiner: | gnome and metacity |
| [01:06:08] | godzirra: | Hrm. Thats what I had before with the same problem. |
| [01:06:16] | godzirra: | Is your TV set up twinview or as another X screen? |
| [01:07:12] | feiner: | twinview |
| [01:07:24] | godzirra: | Hrm. Ok. Let me try changing mine to twinview and see if that helps. |
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| [01:09:58] | godzirra: | Hwo do you get myth to start on your tv when you set it up as twinview? |
| [01:10:16] | godzirra: | It starts on my computer screen, and won't move to my tv. |
| [01:11:20] | feiner: | hmm i dunno, mine isnt tv out its dvi but it shouldnt matter |
| [01:11:59] | feiner: | but then again lotsa things shouldnt matter |
| [01:12:57] | godzirra: | So you just run mythfrontend? |
| [01:13:08] | godzirra: | nothing else? |
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| [01:50:38] | godzirra: | So how the heck do I get myth to run on my tv instead of on my screen? |
| [01:52:32] | clever_: | im using a video card with TV output |
| [01:52:53] | clever_: | some video cards can output HDMI or DVI which some tv's can receive |
| [01:54:52] | godzirra: | ok |
| [01:55:52] | godzirra: | That wasn't in response to me, was it? |
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| [01:56:55] | clever_: | it was |
| [01:57:41] | godzirra: | Ok, sorry I wasn't more c lear. |
| [01:57:47] | godzirra: | I've got svideo out connected |
| [01:57:51] | godzirra: | I see an ubuntu desktop on the tv |
| [01:58:03] | godzirra: | but when I start the mythfrontend, its showing up on my monitor, not my tv screen. |
| [01:58:17] | clever_: | how are you starting the frontend? |
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| [02:00:31] | godzirra: | mythfrontend |
| [02:01:20] | clever_: | are you running it in a terminal on the tv? |
| [02:01:31] | godzirra: | I tried that, but it still loads on my desktop. |
| [02:01:35] | godzirra: | But I dont know how to get apps to or from the tv. |
| [02:01:51] | godzirra: | so it seems kind of hit or miss whether something loads on the tv or the deskto. |
| [02:01:54] | godzirra: | dsktop |
| [02:01:56] | godzirra: | ergh. |
| [02:02:04] | clever_: | can you move the mouse between the 2 screens? |
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| [02:02:29] | godzirra: | Not as far as I can tell. |
| [02:02:45] | godzirra: | oh wait |
| [02:02:46] | godzirra: | I'm an idiot. |
| [02:02:48] | godzirra: | Yes, I can. |
| [02:02:58] | clever_: | and it may go to whatever screen your mouse is on when it starts |
| [02:03:14] | clever_: | keep the mouse on the tv while its starting |
| [02:03:17] | godzirra: | Nope. |
| [02:03:19] | godzirra: | Just tried that. |
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| [02:03:45] | GreyFoxx: | So you have it set up as one big "wide" screen rather than the TV being aclone of what is on the monitor ? |
| [02:03:58] | godzirra: | It seems so. Is that a better way to do it? |
| [02:04:01] | clever_: | i have is as 2 seperate screens(:0.0 and :0.1) |
| [02:04:16] | godzirra: | I orginally had it as two seperate screens, but someone else in here said to set it up using twinview. |
| [02:04:20] | GreyFoxx: | god It depends, is it a dedicated mythbox or your desktop too ? |
| [02:04:44] | godzirra: | Eh, its my desktop occasionally. I usually SSH in, but if I can get the remote to keep working if I'm doing something on a different desktop, that'd be ideal. |
| [02:04:59] | godzirra: | But from what I understand, if another window has focus, the remote won't work? |
| [02:05:12] | GreyFoxx: | try this from an xterm : DISPPLAY=:0.1 mythfrontend |
| [02:05:33] | Huijari: | s/DISPPLAY/DISPLAY/ |
| [02:05:36] | clever_: | without the typo in dispPlay |
| [02:05:49] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [02:06:06] | godzirra: | That worked when I had it setup as a different X window. |
| [02:06:09] | godzirra: | It doesnt work with twinview. |
| [02:06:15] | godzirra: | Says it cannot connect to X server :0.1 |
| [02:06:25] | clever_: | yeah some modes merge all monitors into :0.0 |
| [02:06:38] | GreyFoxx: | ok, then you can tell mythfrontend exactly what coordinates to start at |
| [02:06:40] | clever_: | i didnt bother trying to figure it out and just shut that off |
| [02:06:50] | godzirra: | Ok... let me ask some questions first, since I don't care to make it a different x screen |
| [02:06:56] | GreyFoxx: | or just clone them and don't bother |
| [02:07:14] | godzirra: | Can I use my desktop and have the remote control still work through lirc on myth? |
| [02:07:51] | GreyFoxx: | sure assuming you use the built in myth support |
| [02:07:56] | godzirra: | I think i did... |
| [02:08:17] | godzirra: | I compiled lirc, and I start lircd seperately, but I compiled myth with lirc support. Is that what you mean? |
| [02:08:23] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [02:08:32] | godzirra: | ok. Myth works with the remote when I have focus. Never tried without focus. |
| [02:08:45] | godzirra: | let me change my X back away from twinview then. |
| [02:08:46] | GreyFoxx: | mine works fine without focus |
| [02:08:51] | godzirra: | ok. |
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| [02:10:57] | godzirra: | ok, more problems, lol |
| [02:11:05] | Huijari: | godzirra: i have my screen and projector configured as separate x screens and it works like a charm |
| [02:11:20] | godzirra: | I'm using gnome/metacity. The top and bottom panel now show up on my tv. |
| [02:11:36] | godzirra: | Ah, they don't when I start myth. |
| [02:11:47] | godzirra: | Although I'm not compeltely sure the resolution is right... |
| [02:11:58] | mcf3782: | I am trying to play a DVD on my mythtv box (knoppyth installation). When I select "play DVD" from the menu, the screen clears, and a message box appears for about half a second. It appears to be an error message of some sort; but it's not on screen long enough for me to read it. Can anyone suggest how I can track down what it's trying to tell me? |
| [02:12:41] | mzb: | enable logging on your frontend |
| [02:13:01] | godzirra: | How do I switch to the tv so i can manage it with the keyboard as well? |
| [02:13:10] | godzirra: | Since I don't t hink my "guide" button is working. |
| [02:13:19] | mcf3782: | mzb: Where do I set that? |
| [02:13:23] | godzirra: | For some reason heroes recorded in an odd resolution or something. Its in a smaller box in my tv. :( |
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| [02:14:13] | godzirra: | are "normal" tv's 720x480? Maybe i just have the resolution set wrong on my nvidia-settings? |
| [02:14:47] | iamlindoro: | yes, ntsc is 720x480 |
| [02:14:56] | godzirra: | Hrm. |
| [02:15:07] | godzirra: | I wonder why I see black bars on the top and bottom of heroes. |
| [02:15:15] | godzirra: | I cant figure out how to get the guide back up to see if other shows are the same |
| [02:16:00] | iamlindoro: | M, then choose program guide |
| [02:16:13] | godzirra: | I cant figure out how to get focus back on the mythtv window. |
| [02:16:19] | godzirra: | I'm typing on the other desktop |
| [02:16:23] | iamlindoro: | alt-tab? |
| [02:16:25] | godzirra: | and the remote isn't workign right yet. |
| [02:16:28] | iamlindoro: | ah |
| [02:16:29] | godzirra: | No, its a seperate X window. |
| [02:16:33] | godzirra: | not twinview. |
| [02:18:01] | kormoc: | godzirra, move the mouse over to it and click in it |
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| [02:18:54] | godzirra: | Its not twinview. I can't just move the mouse over there I dont think? |
| [02:19:02] | godzirra: | oh |
| [02:19:07] | godzirra: | Nevermind. I'm a dumbass. |
| [02:19:23] | godzirra: | ok, check out http://test.jomamma.com/Screenshot.png |
| [02:19:36] | godzirra: | Why is it not at least all teh way to either side of the screen? (left and right, not top and bottom) |
| [02:20:04] | kormoc: | each X display define the inputs. The Screens are what you have two of, and they share inputs, but they don't share anything else |
| [02:20:38] | godzirra: | huh? What's that have to do with teh b lack bars? |
| [02:20:39] | kormoc: | perhaps you have a fill mode that preserves aspect? (press w to switch modes) |
| [02:20:46] | godzirra: | Ah. |
| [02:20:51] | kormoc: | I was explaining why your mouse is still shared... |
| [02:21:12] | godzirra: | Gotcha. |
| [02:21:54] | godzirra: | Is normal tv 16:9? |
| [02:21:59] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [02:22:00] | kormoc: | 4:3 |
| [02:22:00] | iamlindoro: | 4:3 |
| [02:22:16] | bsdfox: | 4:3 |
| [02:22:23] | bsdfox: | widescreen is 16:9 |
| [02:22:29] | godzirra: | Ahh ok. |
| [02:22:33] | godzirra: | I didnt think that sounded right. |
| [02:22:54] | godzirra: | Ok, 4:3 it looks right now. |
| [02:23:03] | godzirra: | Nwo I just have to figure out why my remote isn't working right. |
| [02:23:12] | godzirra: | Thanks tons for all the help everyone, I appreciate it. |
| [02:26:18] | godzirra: | my god, commercial autoskip is sexy. |
| [02:27:15] | godzirra: | How do I get my remote working correctly? I know how to get the hex code from irw, but its not the same code that goes into /etc/lircd.conf? |
| [02:29:22] | godzirra: | Hrm... when -NOT- watching tv (i.e. in the menus) I've got black bands on the left and right side of my tv. The words also scroll off to all sides of my tv. How do I fix that? |
| [02:30:58] | godzirra: | I see that it s part of the "crop filter" but I dont know how to change filters. |
| [02:32:41] | godzirra: | Things like "mute" also don't work. It -says- mute on, mute off, but it doesnt actually mute. |
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| [02:41:10] | godzirra: | Anyone? :) |
| [02:41:29] | mcf3782: | Hmm.. I figured out the problem. I made a symlink from /dev/hdc to /dev/dvd. |
| [02:41:42] | mcf3782: | But it will probably go away if the box reboots. |
| [02:42:15] | godzirra: | uh, why would that go away. |
| [02:42:16] | godzirra: | Just remove it. |
| [02:42:25] | mzb_d800: | udev |
| [02:42:32] | kormoc: | mcf3782, just set myth to use /dev/hdc rather then /dev/dvd |
| [02:42:40] | mzb_d800: | either set a rule for it, or change the .... ^^^ |
| [02:42:50] | mzb_d800: | s/rule/udev rule |
| [02:43:01] | kormoc: | godzirra, look up lirc in the wiki and set your mixer to pcm rather then master and see if that works |
| [02:43:05] | kormoc: | godzirra, also look up overscan |
| [02:43:11] | godzirra: | Thanks. |
| [02:43:12] | ** godzirra goes to read. ** | |
| [02:43:24] | mcf3782: | I'll crawl through the configs again and see if I can find where that's set. I didn't see anything when I looked earlier. |
| [02:43:26] | godzirra: | hrm, how do I change to pcm rather than master? |
| [02:43:33] | godzirra: | When I run alsamixer, I dont have a master. |
| [02:43:37] | godzirra: | just pcm and front. |
| [02:43:43] | mcf3782: | But with the symlink in place, I can play a DVD; whereas I could not before. |
| [02:43:50] | mzb_d800: | godzirra: AND setup your video to look right first .. THEN adjust size+offset in appearance settings |
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| [02:44:12] | mzb_d800: | (for the gui) |
| [02:44:19] | godzirra: | Ah, ok. |
| [02:44:45] | mzb_d800: | you probably need to work out how to use overscan |
| [02:46:05] | godzirra: | Yes. I've no clue. |
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| [02:48:56] | godzirra: | Great, whatever the hell I did, mythfrontend is running in a window now. |
| [02:49:28] | mzb_d800: | well, you've been fiddling with frontend settings before you've got your overscan worked out ;P |
| [02:49:45] | mzb_d800: | "Run in window" |
| [02:49:55] | godzirra: | I found it., |
| [02:50:19] | godzirra: | on the wiki it says that nvidia-settings has a place to edit overscan |
| [02:50:23] | godzirra: | I'm not finding it though :/ |
| [02:52:31] | godzirra: | Am I just missing it somewhere? |
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| [02:53:45] | defaultro: | xris, you there :) |
| [02:55:46] | kormoc: | defaultro, given he's not in the channel, I'd doubt it |
| [02:55:54] | defaultro: | hey kormoc |
| [02:55:57] | defaultro: | are you in the U.S.? |
| [02:56:03] | kormoc: | Mornin', and yes I am |
| [02:56:10] | defaultro: | cool, maybe you can guide me |
| [02:56:37] | defaultro: | someone is interested in my subwoofer. However, I haven't really sold anything yet on the internet. And this guy is interested. He's from Rhode Island |
| [02:57:15] | defaultro: | Do I ship the package after I see the payment? |
| [02:57:56] | defaultro: | and I'm worried that some people will claim that they didn't receive the item |
| [02:58:05] | kormoc: | that depends on what you negotiated with the seller or the site. |
| [02:58:11] | defaultro: | k |
| [02:58:21] | kormoc: | typically you tell him the rules and he can accept it or not |
| [02:58:27] | defaultro: | gotcha |
| [02:58:36] | godzirra: | mzb_d800: Why do I want to run in window? |
| [02:58:48] | kormoc: | and typically you just send it signature required and it's hard to argue against that. |
| [02:58:56] | defaultro: | ah |
| [02:59:00] | defaultro: | that's a good one |
| [02:59:15] | mzb: | godzirra: yes, exactly ... why did you enable that option? :)) |
| [02:59:40] | defaultro: | I will email the guy now and tell him about how I wanted to go about the payment |
| [03:00:08] | mzb_d800: | godzirra: forget nvidia-settings ... see the nvidia readme |
| [03:00:11] | godzirra: | mzb: Oh, I unchecked it. |
| [03:00:16] | godzirra: | mzb: ok. |
| [03:00:19] | godzirra: | mzb_d800: ok |
| [03:00:22] | mzb_d800: | eg: |
| [03:00:25] | mzb_d800: | Option "TVOverscan" "0.8" |
| [03:01:43] | godzirra: | mzb_d800: How do I know what number that needs to be set at? |
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| [03:02:04] | godzirra: | guess and test? |
| [03:03:13] | defaultro: | kormoc, is paypal a good idea for payment? |
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| [03:03:41] | defaultro: | or should I do money order? |
| [03:03:50] | godzirra: | Nah. Paypal is fine, in my opinion. |
| [03:03:55] | godzirra: | i've used it for payments a lot on ebay. |
| [03:03:59] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:04:05] | defaultro: | but I will be the seller |
| [03:04:12] | godzirra: | But when you send an invoice for the payment, be -very- clear as to what he is getting in the invoice. |
| [03:04:12] | defaultro: | us paypal still fine? |
| [03:04:26] | kormoc: | Yes |
| [03:04:26] | defaultro: | k |
| [03:04:32] | godzirra: | That way he can't say "Hey, I ordered a 720bzillion inch subwoofer and got a 12 inch" |
| [03:04:51] | godzirra: | And don't send it until you have the payment obviously ;) |
| [03:05:03] | godzirra: | Also suggest he gets shipping insurance, and put in the invoice that you are not responsible for mail damage. |
| [03:05:15] | godzirra: | (shipping insurance for up to $100 I think is free if you do it USPS) |
| [03:05:16] | defaultro: | so I will be able to find out if he has sent the payment correct? |
| [03:05:20] | godzirra: | Yes. |
| [03:05:23] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:05:26] | godzirra: | I -think- you will get an email from paypal |
| [03:05:28] | defaultro: | it's 399 |
| [03:05:29] | godzirra: | not positive on that though. |
| [03:05:37] | godzirra: | But you can definitely log into paypal and look |
| [03:05:46] | godzirra: | Realize though that paypal is going to charge you. |
| [03:05:52] | godzirra: | I dont know what the fee is for sellers. |
| [03:06:09] | defaultro: | this is the one I'm selling, http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?homesubw&1200711603 |
| [03:06:14] | mzb_d800: | godzirra: yes, guess, test, tune, repeat |
| [03:06:21] | defaultro: | oh, they're going to charge me :( |
| [03:06:25] | godzirra: | Yeah. |
| [03:06:29] | defaultro: | should be small right? |
| [03:06:31] | godzirra: | If you want zero charge, you'll have to do money order. |
| [03:06:36] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:06:40] | godzirra: | I've no idea what it is. I cant imagine it would be ridiculous. |
| [03:06:40] | mzb_d800: | defaultro: read the paypal docs |
| [03:06:44] | defaultro: | ok |
| [03:06:53] | godzirra: | But personally, I never buy anything where I haveto send a money order. |
| [03:06:56] | ** godzirra shrugs. ** | |
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| [03:09:55] | godzirra: | mzb_d800: ok, its moving my desktop around on the tv, so I can see more of the gnome bars. |
| [03:10:04] | godzirra: | Almost all of it in fact (though its not straight across which is odd to see)... |
| [03:10:10] | godzirra: | but its not making the black bars go away or get bigger or smaller. |
| [03:10:35] | defaultro: | ok, I will do paypal then especially, it makes people more comfortable when buying |
| [03:10:54] | mzb_d800: | godzirra: description is not good enough to determine what you are talking about |
| [03:10:55] | godzirra: | mzb_d800: well, it is for teh top and bottom, but I dont think the left and right... |
| [03:11:02] | godzirra: | heh. |
| [03:11:08] | mzb_d800: | increase overscan |
| [03:11:19] | mzb_d800: | forget the desktop |
| [03:11:39] | mzb_d800: | as I said before, get your overscan right so that VIDEO looks ok |
| [03:11:47] | mzb_d800: | work on the other stuff later |
| [03:12:31] | godzirra: | mzb_d800: I'm trying to get the desktop to look right, because I thought the video would take the same shape as the desktop... is that incorrecT? |
| [03:12:47] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [03:12:51] | mzb_d800: | err no |
| [03:12:51] | godzirra: | the video will never extend past the black borders that surround the desktop. |
| [03:12:55] | godzirra: | From what I've seen so far. |
| [03:13:05] | mzb_d800: | just do what I tell you ... you'll work it out |
| [03:13:23] | mzb_d800: | (and save you a few hours|days of pain) |
| [03:13:26] | godzirra: | lol |
| [03:13:43] | godzirra: | ok. |
| [03:18:08] | godzirra: | Hrm. the actual "watch tv" part doesnt seem to be changing. |
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| [03:19:35] | godzirra: | mzb_d800: I changed from 0.8 to 0.2, to 2.6 with no change in the actual way tv looks. |
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| [03:20:27] | godzirra: | Hrm, actually it is changing.. just not by much. |
| [03:21:28] | godzirra: | mzb_d800: No matter what, it still has a black bar to the left side. |
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| [03:21:40] | mzb_d800: | try incrementing by 0.1 ... and so on until there are no bars |
| [03:22:06] | godzirra: | Do I need to worry about it going over the side on one edge? |
| [03:22:12] | godzirra: | i.e. the left edge has a -lot- more black than the right. |
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| [03:23:58] | mzb_d800: | no ... just aim for no black bars, you can fix the "off screen" part by reducing the size of the image (etc) |
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| [03:24:05] | godzirra: | Ok. |
| [03:24:20] | godzirra: | and I shouldnt be doing this in the mythtv settings at all? Just hte X settings... ok. still screwing with it. |
| [03:25:26] | mzb_d800: | make sure your mythtv "General Playback" settings are all default (0) on page 2/9 |
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| [03:25:43] | mzb_d800: | eg. I have overscan =0.8 (on loungetv) |
| [03:26:04] | mzb_d800: | until I filled the screen on all edges |
| [03:26:30] | mzb_d800: | then adjusted "Scan displacement (X)" to -50, and Y to 50 |
| [03:27:14] | mzb_d800: | once that is all ok, then you can adjust your gui settings (Appearance) |
| [03:27:31] | mzb_d800: | (page 2?) |
| [03:28:00] | godzirra: | They are. |
| [03:28:02] | mzb_d800: | mine are: width=892, height=654, X offset=40, Y offset=65 |
| [03:28:11] | mzb_d800: | don't touch those yet |
| [03:28:18] | godzirra: | I can't get the screen to move up anymore. AT all. |
| [03:28:26] | mzb_d800: | get video PERFECT first |
| [03:28:30] | godzirra: | I cant. |
| [03:28:32] | godzirra: | thats what I'm saying. |
| [03:28:35] | godzirra: | Its not moving. |
| [03:28:37] | godzirra: | anymore. |
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| [03:28:45] | mzb_d800: | what does overscan =1.0 do? |
| [03:29:14] | godzirra: | I'm up to 2.0 Can it even -go- to 2? |
| [03:29:17] | godzirra: | Or is it 0.1 – 1.0? |
| [03:29:22] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [03:29:32] | godzirra: | To the first question or the second? :) |
| [03:29:40] | mzb_d800: | I'm running a much reduced gui (so that I can see borders) so that the buttons on the edges of the screen are visible |
| [03:29:45] | mzb_d800: | 2nd |
| [03:29:47] | godzirra: | ok. |
| [03:30:29] | mzb_d800: | the only real problem is that you probably need to edit the osd theme (osd.xml) so that the edit marks align properly |
| [03:30:52] | godzirra: | I've put it to 0.1 |
| [03:30:54] | godzirra: | er |
| [03:30:55] | godzirra: | 1.0 |
| [03:31:09] | godzirra: | There's two things. |
| [03:31:17] | godzirra: | There is a black border around the picture still... |
| [03:31:33] | mzb_d800: | ok, try nvidia-settings |
| [03:31:33] | godzirra: | where it is obvious that the tv is on, then there is a purely black border, i.e. no pixels lit up at all.. |
| [03:32:01] | godzirra: | and do what? I didnt see an option for overscan at all there... |
| [03:32:04] | mzb_d800: | it *may* be possible to do a better job with nvidia settings, but you will need to load up the settings with xinitrc (or similar) |
| [03:32:24] | mzb_d800: | it might allow you to adjust the screen |
| [03:32:42] | mzb_d800: | what res are you running? |
| [03:32:47] | godzirra: | 720x480 |
| [03:32:50] | mzb_d800: | no |
| [03:32:52] | godzirra: | should I be running something else? |
| [03:32:57] | mzb_d800: | that's a playback mode |
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| [03:33:07] | godzirra: | No, my resolution for my tv is set to 720x480 |
| [03:33:09] | mzb_d800: | the video should be 800x600 or 1024x768 |
| [03:33:11] | godzirra: | ok. |
| [03:33:28] | mzb_d800: | nvidia will translate it into the correct one depending on your output mode |
| [03:33:49] | mzb_d800: | (you can also do 640x480 but that's a little pointless;) |
| [03:33:55] | mzb_d800: | try 1024x768 |
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| [03:34:23] | mzb_d800: | (you will need as much screen real-estate as possible ... because you may have to reduce the gui size, right? :)) |
| [03:34:35] | godzirra: | ok, its 1024x768 now. |
| [03:34:52] | godzirra: | That fixed the black box (the one where it looked like normal tv black) |
| [03:35:02] | godzirra: | but there's still a bar on each side thats dead black. Like no power to the tv black. |
| [03:35:09] | mzb_d800: | overscan = ? |
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| [03:35:51] | godzirra: | Its s till set to 1.0 |
| [03:35:53] | kormoc: | overscan can only do so much |
| [03:36:07] | godzirra: | i just want it to fill my tv like a normal show ;) |
| [03:36:09] | kormoc: | you might have to change the output res to more match what your tv expects as well |
| [03:36:19] | godzirra: | I thought 720x480 is what it expects? |
| [03:36:25] | kormoc: | depends on the tv |
| [03:36:27] | mzb_d800: | the output res (to the card) is irrelevant |
| [03:36:38] | kormoc: | mine looked best at 640x480 |
| [03:36:42] | mzb_d800: | nvideo encoder translates it to suit the tv |
| [03:36:52] | mzb_d800: | (tv format) |
| [03:36:53] | godzirra: | kormoc: the desktop resolution, or the output resolution from myth? |
| [03:36:58] | kormoc: | desktop res |
| [03:37:03] | godzirra: | let me try that I suppose. |
| [03:37:16] | kormoc: | mzb_d800, it does change the final output strangely enough |
| [03:37:31] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [03:37:34] | godzirra: | That doesnt seem to change anything on mine. |
| [03:37:44] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [03:37:44] | defaultro: | kormoc, can someone just send me a payment to my paypal account even if I don't list it in paypal? |
| [03:37:52] | kormoc: | defaultro, list what? |
| [03:38:13] | mzb_d800: | godzirra: have you enabled or disabled "Use GUI size for TV playback" ? |
| [03:38:17] | mzb_d800: | mine is disabled |
| [03:38:24] | defaultro: | list the subwoofer that I am selling at paypal website |
| [03:38:25] | godzirra: | I havent changed whatever the default is. |
| [03:38:41] | mzb_d800: | check it |
| [03:38:45] | kormoc: | defaultro, you can't list anything on paypal's website. they only manage payment |
| [03:38:57] | defaultro: | ok. That means, they can just send me payment there |
| [03:39:05] | defaultro: | all they have to do is specify my username |
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| [03:39:58] | defaultro: | I see on the interface "SEND MONEY". Maybe, that's what the buyer would do |
| [03:40:12] | godzirra: | mzb_d800: that didnt seem to make much difference. |
| [03:40:16] | godzirra: | I still have deadblack bars around the picture. |
| [03:40:27] | godzirra: | Just a little on the top, a tiny tiny bit on the obttom, and a little on each of the left and right. |
| [03:40:29] | defaultro: | BAM, taken from Paypal webpage 'PayPal is the safer, easier way to pay. You can pay anyone with an email address in the 190 countries and regions that accept PayPal.' |
| [03:40:43] | defaultro: | this is sweet |
| [03:40:56] | mzb_d800: | and OT |
| [03:41:33] | mzb_d800: | godzirra: check "General Playback" page 2/9, my settings are: VideoAspectOverride=16:9, Zoom=Off |
| [03:42:19] | mzb_d800: | In appearance, set monitor aspect=4:3 |
| [03:42:37] | mzb_d800: | and DON'T use GUI size for TV playback |
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| [03:42:56] | mzb_d800: | page 3, disable separate modes for GUI and TV |
| [03:43:13] | mzb_d800: | I can assure you that it's possible to fill a TV screen one way or the other |
| [03:43:22] | kormoc: | defaultro, it's based on email address, so he just needs your email address that you signed up to paypal with |
| [03:43:29] | godzirra: | mzb_d800: Where at? |
| [03:43:37] | godzirra: | I'm not sure where VideoAspectOverride is... |
| [03:43:43] | godzirra: | Or wher eto set Monitor Aspect. |
| [03:43:59] | mzb_d800: | appearance |
| [03:44:06] | mzb_d800: | (monitor aspect) |
| [03:44:33] | mzb_d800: | video aspect override is in General Playback |
| [03:44:43] | mzb_d800: | isn't that what I said? |
| [03:45:43] | godzirra: | ok, I've got VideoAspectOverride set. |
| [03:45:50] | mzb_d800: | I've been experimenting with a 35yo TV using composite, and a 4yo TV using S-Video ... I've used matrox g450, mx400, mx420 and mx440 ... all needing different approaches ... but all capable of doing the job (to some extent;) |
| [03:46:06] | defaultro: | kormoc, yep, I saw that. Very simple approach :) |
| [03:46:20] | mzb_d800: | (only last 2 will do xvmc) |
| [03:46:21] | defaultro: | hopefully, the guy responds to my email |
| [03:46:50] | godzirra: | I still dont see Monitor ASpect |
| [03:47:24] | mzb_d800: | well, I'm running svn multirec, maybe yours is different |
| [03:47:41] | godzirra: | Could be I guess. |
| [03:47:59] | godzirra: | Still the same black bars t hough |
| [03:48:24] | mzb_d800: | Utilities/Setup -> Setup -> TV Settings -> Playback ---> page 2/9 |
| [03:48:52] | mzb_d800: | pretty hard for anyone but yourself to figure it out ... there should be a way |
| [03:49:38] | mzb_d800: | but WARNING :: having to readjust the gui everytime you discover a new way of getting the video looking better is painful |
| [03:49:44] | mzb_d800: | get the video right :) |
| [03:49:48] | godzirra: | Yeah, page 2/9 under what you just listed is "something on playback exit, prompt at end of recording, clear saved position on playback, something clear saved position, use Xv picture controls, enable warning about missing audio output, and something notify port. |
| [03:50:02] | godzirra: | Yeah, I know there should be a way, but I dont know what it is. |
| [03:50:12] | godzirra: | You know what I mean aobut the difference in color though? |
| [03:50:19] | godzirra: | like the black box around the picture is dead pixels. |
| [03:50:27] | godzirra: | like when there's no power to your tv and its completely black... |
| [03:50:33] | godzirra: | as opposed to seeing the tv on showing black |
| [03:50:39] | mzb_d800: | keep bashing the keys on the keyboard (not in #;) ... when you hit the right sequence it'll work ;) |
| [03:50:47] | godzirra: | not helpful =p |
| [03:50:59] | mzb_d800: | yes, I know what you mean ... |
| [03:51:51] | godzirra: | Its even there when I'm in mythtv. |
| [03:51:55] | godzirra: | the gui not the playback. |
| [03:52:45] | mzb_d800: | which tends to suggest you've got something wrong "lower in the foodchain", right? |
| [03:53:09] | godzirra: | Right. |
| [03:53:17] | mzb_d800: | no settings on the TV itself? |
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| [03:54:14] | godzirra: | Well, I'm sure there are, but it worked in tivo... |
| [03:54:57] | godzirra: | no setting to adjust the picture location |
| [03:54:58] | godzirra: | I just checked. |
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| [03:55:20] | mzb_d800: | I'm out of suggestions |
| [03:55:44] | godzirra: | Bleh. |
| [03:55:47] | scrubb2000: | mythbackend and mysql are taking up a lot of ram (>100MB each). Is this normal? |
| [03:55:48] | godzirra: | It seems like it should be easy. |
| [03:55:52] | mzb_d800: | err ... you do have an NTSC TV, right? |
| [03:56:01] | godzirra: | Nvidia has a way of moving the picture around on windows.. I assumed it'd be that easy. |
| [03:56:03] | mzb_d800: | and you have set TVOutFormat, right? |
| [03:56:07] | godzirra: | Yes and what? |
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| [03:56:38] | mzb_d800: | no such thing in linux ... check the nv forums |
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| [03:57:32] | mzb_d800: | sorry, not TVOutFormat ... TVStandard |
| [03:57:39] | godzirra: | I dont know what that is? |
| [03:58:01] | mzb_d800: | :) nvidia README !! |
| [03:58:05] | mzb_d800: | check your X logs |
| [03:58:11] | godzirra: | I dont have the nvidia readme =;p |
| [03:58:18] | godzirra: | I installed the nvidia-glx-new package =p |
| [03:58:22] | mzb_d800: | you have net access |
| [03:58:26] | mzb_d800: | nvidia.com |
| [03:59:23] | espacious: | any how to virtual machine + mythtv |
| [03:59:24] | mzb_d800: | also (and this is probably part of the problem) iirc, you can't have vastly different resolutions on each output |
| [03:59:50] | mzb_d800: | godzirra: what res is your primary display? |
| [03:59:53] | godzirra: | 1440x900 |
| [03:59:55] | mzb_d800: | espacious: no |
| [04:00:10] | mzb_d800: | godzirra: change primary to 1024x768 and retest |
| [04:00:10] | espacious: | mzb_d800 why? |
| [04:00:29] | mzb_d800: | espacious: because you haven't written it yet? ;) |
| [04:00:29] | godzirra: | And it says that it defaults to NTSC-M if nothing is chosen. |
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| [04:00:51] | espacious: | im trying to get mythtv in vmware on my server |
| [04:01:15] | espacious: | mzb_d800 huh maybe i should do it. |
| [04:01:22] | mzb_d800: | espacious: if you can't find an answer on google you're probably on your own ;) |
| [04:01:36] | mzb_d800: | espacious: I use Xen for the same thing (but headless) |
| [04:01:44] | espacious: | to be hones im only looking for info |
| [04:02:06] | espacious: | i must find my TVcards and see if they any good |
| [04:02:40] | mzb_d800: | I think your chances of finding info are much better using google than asking a (relatively obscure) question here |
| [04:02:50] | espacious: | and im curious how mythty and ubuntu server install will run |
| [04:03:07] | espacious: | mzb_d800 yp sory u right |
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| [04:03:29] | scrubb2000: | Is it normal for mythtvbackend and mysqld to be using >100MB of ram each? |
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| [04:05:12] | godzirra: | mzb_d800: ok, I'm just an idiot. The deadblack is there all the time everywhere. |
| [04:05:18] | godzirra: | how do I move my picture over to the left slightly? ;p |
| [04:05:27] | mzb_d800: | crowbar? :) |
| [04:05:40] | mzb_d800: | reduce the complexity of your problem |
| [04:05:40] | godzirra: | in a way that will let me still see a picture I mean? ;p |
| [04:06:03] | jedix: | is there a way I can delete channels from the database directly? |
| [04:06:13] | godzirra: | I've got an inch of black to the left and maybe half an inch to ther ight of black. |
| [04:06:15] | jedix: | the mythtv-setup delete one at a time is a pain in the ass |
| [04:06:31] | xris: | jedix: um, "deleting channels from the database directly" would probably do it |
| [04:06:39] | godzirra: | jedix: If you're using SD, change your SD lineup and refetch your lineup. |
| [04:07:04] | xris: | godzirra: messing with modelines, playing with the TV's own settings, etc. |
| [04:07:09] | jedix: | it added a bunch of 995–3000 with the correct lineup. |
| [04:07:18] | mzb_d800: | godzirra: start doing basic tests with ONE display, ONE output, NO myth ... etc .... if/when you get that right, start testing with cloned output ... and so on. I think you've started trying to solve a whole tree of problems by starting half-way up the trunk |
| [04:07:19] | xris: | if the nvidia console doesn't have options to do it, you're left to other means. |
| [04:07:28] | jedix: | xris: indeed.. where is this sort of info stored in the database? |
| [04:07:34] | godzirra: | mzb_d800: I don't think so... The mythgui is displaying right. |
| [04:07:35] | xris: | jedix: "channel" table? |
| [04:07:45] | godzirra: | mzb_d800: Now the problem is only that there's a little black on the left and right. |
| [04:07:58] | xris: | jedix: but if you don't also update your listings source, they'll probably repopulate at some point again. |
| [04:08:06] | mzb_d800: | ah ... |
| [04:08:19] | mzb_d800: | bring your overscan down (from 1.0) by 0.1 increments |
| [04:08:24] | jedix: | my listing source? like SD stuff? |
| [04:08:30] | mzb_d800: | (it might have gone "past it's limit) |
| [04:08:32] | godzirra: | jedix: log into SD, and you can edit your lineup. |
| [04:08:38] | godzirra: | I did it the other day. Its actually very easy. |
| [04:08:48] | godzirra: | mzb_d800: k. |
| [04:09:31] | jedix: | they aren't listed in SD |
| [04:09:51] | godzirra: | then how did you get them? |
| [04:10:07] | jedix: | I scanned all known transponders and it added them |
| [04:10:58] | godzirra: | mzb_d800: awesometastic. |
| [04:11:00] | godzirra: | .9 works for me. |
| [04:11:03] | ** godzirra does the happy dance. ** | |
| [04:11:06] | godzirra: | now to get the gui to look right. |
| [04:12:49] | mzb: | WARNING: make sure it's PERFECT!!! :))) ... you will probably end up having to make some major changes later :)) |
| [04:12:54] | godzirra: | It is. |
| [04:13:02] | mzb: | (eg. 0.05 increments now ;) |
| [04:13:06] | mzb: | ok :) |
| [04:14:53] | godzirra: | now to get mythgames and get some new themes. |
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| [04:16:53] | godzirra: | and figure out how to get to the guide on a mceusb2 =p |
| [04:17:39] | godzirra: | hrm |
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| [04:18:15] | godzirra: | now I have color on the bottom and right section of my watch tv. |
| [04:18:21] | godzirra: | i didnt have it before.. argh. |
| [04:18:56] | jedix: | okay |
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| [04:21:31] | defaultro: | is anyone here using Coolsat 8000? What is the output of it? |
| [04:21:44] | jedix: | that didn't end well |
| [04:22:19] | jedix: | oh crap |
| [04:23:54] | godzirra: | mzb_d800: any ideas? :/ |
| [04:24:50] | jedix: | I accidently dropped all channels |
| [04:25:06] | godzirra: | lol |
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| [04:25:34] | godzirra: | howdy korm\oc. |
| [04:25:55] | godzirra: | got it all working mostly... Just have like a 2–3 pixel line of color now at the bottom of my screen on playback... I think its the desktop background. |
| [04:25:58] | godzirra: | not sure why :/ |
| [04:26:13] | jedix: | overscan |
| [04:26:30] | defaultro: | godzirra, kill the desktop background |
| [04:26:41] | defaultro: | make it black |
| [04:26:55] | defaultro: | that's not part of mythtv anymore but it's your desktop manager |
| [04:27:14] | godzirra: | defaultro: it shouldnt be showing any of my desktop =p |
| [04:27:23] | godzirra: | jedix: Yeah, but my overscan is up to 1.0 |
| [04:27:26] | godzirra: | I cant pump it up anyhigher. |
| [04:27:27] | defaultro: | simple solution, kill it |
| [04:27:37] | godzirra: | I'd rather fix the problem than bandaid it, personally. |
| [04:27:48] | defaultro: | problem? |
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| [04:27:58] | defaultro: | maybe a configuration issue :P |
| [04:28:07] | godzirra: | Obviously =p |
| [04:28:09] | godzirra: | I just dont know where. |
| [04:28:19] | mzb: | godzirra: xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 1 |
| [04:28:30] | mzb: | put that in your xinitrc |
| [04:28:36] | godzirra: | What is it? |
| [04:28:55] | defaultro: | i used X&Y then also X&Y offset in appearance. It's awesome! |
| [04:29:02] | mzb: | turns the blue to black |
| [04:29:05] | defaultro: | don't know what your problem is |
| [04:29:13] | jheizer: | Any one happen to run off a flash drive? |
| [04:29:37] | jheizer: | / that is |
| [04:29:40] | godzirra: | mzb: turns what blue to black? |
| [04:29:57] | mzb: | set's the "undefined" colour to black |
| [04:30:47] | mzb: | you might also want to investigate: $ xsetroot -solid black |
| [04:31:08] | mzb: | and $ xset -dpms s off |
| [04:31:12] | jheizer: | or in general, what does L 01 01 01 instead of Lilo.... mean? |
| [04:32:27] | godzirra: | Its the backgroud. |
| [04:32:31] | godzirra: | Not an "undefined color" |
| [04:32:38] | godzirra: | I just changed my backgronud to see if the color changed, and it does. |
| [04:32:39] | mzb: | jheizer: not a mythtv question ... google it ... see syslinux and flash boot |
| [04:32:51] | godzirra: | So my mythtv playbakc is slightly too small on the top and bottom. |
| [04:33:00] | mzb: | godzirra: ^^^ |
| [04:33:09] | mzb: | godzirra: also see nvtv |
| [04:33:21] | godzirra: | xset -dpms s off does what? |
| [04:33:29] | mzb: | fark! |
| [04:33:30] | godzirra: | and I dont want to set my desktop to black. =p |
| [04:33:33] | mzb: | the other one |
| [04:33:45] | mzb: | well, live with the colour then |
| [04:33:53] | godzirra: | It wasn't doing this before =p |
| [04:34:08] | mzb: | oh .. you mean back when it wasn't working? :P |
| [04:34:20] | godzirra: | no, for the short time it was working =p |
| [04:34:31] | jheizer: | mzb: well, I actually should have said SD to IDE adapter. I understand it is not a myth question, just lost on why I can't get the thing to boot |
| [04:34:51] | mzb: | godzirra: or setroot=black .. and then use a reduced image on the desktop |
| [04:35:14] | mzb: | jheizer: syslinux mate ... I'm not going into it here ... google is your friend |
| [04:35:57] | mzb: | you'll probably find the BIOS doesn't like the adaptor |
| [04:36:31] | godzirra: | mzb: actually, if I take the settings out of Appearance, the color goes awayt. |
| [04:36:43] | godzirra: | As soon as I edit the settings in Appearance page 2, the lines are there. |
| [04:37:10] | mzb_d800: | sounds like something you're going to have to figure out :) |
| [04:37:34] | godzirra: | Whats to figure out? Shouldnt my gui settings there be cmopletely ignored by my playback settings? |
| [04:37:44] | defaultro: | godzirra, you might want to post a screenshot so other people might be able to give you a fix |
| [04:38:05] | godzirra: | can I screenshot my tv? :p |
| [04:38:10] | defaultro: | yes |
| [04:38:11] | godzirra: | There's not much to screen shot. |
| [04:38:20] | defaultro: | lol, you are totally lost |
| [04:38:35] | godzirra: | If I put in a width/height/x offset/y offset, my background shows on the bottom and top. |
| [04:38:47] | godzirra: | If I take it out, my background doesn't show on the bottom and top of playback. |
| [04:41:00] | godzirra: | if I screenshot, its -totally- screwed up. |
| [04:41:04] | godzirra: | It shows the gnome panels, etc. |
| [04:41:10] | godzirra: | things that dont show up on my screen. |
| [04:42:07] | defaultro: | use a camera buddy |
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| [04:42:11] | defaultro: | no flash |
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| [04:44:08] | godzirra: | ya |
| [04:44:10] | godzirra: | just took two. |
| [04:44:55] | godzirra: | give me a sec |
| [04:44:56] | godzirra: | waiting on my wife. |
| [04:45:55] | defaultro: | :) |
| [04:46:58] | godzirra: | Try http://test.jomamma.com/files/ |
| [04:47:38] | godzirra: | look at the very bottom |
| [04:47:41] | godzirra: | of the tv pciture. |
| [04:47:52] | defaultro: | few sec |
| [04:48:00] | defaultro: | my harddisk led wouldn't turn off |
| [04:48:54] | defaultro: | i see the files now but looks like my hdd is going to friggin fail |
| [04:50:03] | defaultro: | are you talking about the horizontal line at the bottom? |
| [04:50:16] | godzirra: | yes |
| [04:50:24] | godzirra: | its worse in dark pictures. |
| [04:50:35] | godzirra: | but yeah, that disappears when I edit the gui's width, height and offsets. |
| [04:50:36] | godzirra: | to 0 |
| [04:50:40] | defaultro: | just increase Y in appearance so it goes out the viewing area |
| [04:50:53] | godzirra: | Why does the GUI's height or offset matter? |
| [04:50:53] | defaultro: | exactly, that's what I always do, one time only |
| [04:51:00] | godzirra: | for playback? |
| [04:51:02] | godzirra: | thats really odd. |
| [04:51:12] | defaultro: | yes |
| [04:51:26] | defaultro: | i noticed it on some programs being broadcasted by them |
| [04:51:29] | defaultro: | not our card |
| [04:51:34] | defaultro: | but the program itself |
| [04:51:40] | defaultro: | you won't see it on other shows |
| [04:51:48] | godzirra: | hrm/ |
| [04:51:51] | defaultro: | I see them always on 4:3 shows |
| [04:52:04] | defaultro: | but I don't see then on my HD recordings |
| [04:52:11] | defaultro: | just adjust Y and start having fun |
| [04:52:31] | defaultro: | i don't care if I loose 10 pixels |
| [04:52:36] | defaultro: | :D |
| [04:53:01] | godzirra: | I just added 4 pixels, it made no difference |
| [04:53:09] | defaultro: | try adding 30 |
| [04:53:12] | defaultro: | then reduce |
| [04:53:14] | defaultro: | reduce |
| [04:53:17] | defaultro: | then add |
| [04:53:18] | defaultro: | :P |
| [04:53:19] | mzb_d800: | that the gui, surely |
| [04:53:35] | mzb_d800: | not the tv-out (which is what counts) |
| [04:53:39] | godzirra: | to height? Or y offset? |
| [04:53:43] | defaultro: | height |
| [04:53:50] | defaultro: | you can even play with offset |
| [04:53:58] | defaultro: | offset is placement |
| [04:54:04] | defaultro: | on X&Y point |
| [04:54:10] | mzb_d800: | of the gui! |
| [04:54:53] | godzirra: | mzb: yes, but if I set them all to 0, its -definitely- not ther. |
| [04:54:55] | godzirra: | there. |
| [04:55:50] | mzb_d800: | which is only going to stuff up your gui settings later on |
| [04:55:55] | mzb_d800: | (and OSD) |
| [04:56:02] | godzirra: | What is OSD? |
| [04:56:08] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [04:56:10] | godzirra: | and if you have another way to fix it, i'm happy to hear it. |
| [04:56:14] | opello: | on screen display |
| [04:56:15] | mzb_d800: | overscan |
| [04:56:33] | godzirra: | defaultro: doesnt matter what I change it to,, the line is always at the bottom |
| [04:56:49] | godzirra: | Oh. |
| [04:56:54] | godzirra: | No. Its always there. |
| [04:56:57] | defaultro: | do you notice the height of the picture changes? If not, then something is wrong |
| [04:57:14] | godzirra: | yeah, I saw a line at the top after adding a huge number to y offset |
| [04:57:18] | godzirra: | but the line at the bottom stayed there. |
| [04:57:22] | defaultro: | like people's faces goes from normal shape to narrower shape |
| [04:57:31] | cmoates: | crt or lcd or...? |
| [04:57:36] | mzb_d800: | tv |
| [04:57:41] | kormoc: | What video card and driver? |
| [04:57:42] | cmoates: | You might not have overscan high enough |
| [04:57:46] | mzb_d800: | 6200 |
| [04:57:51] | godzirra: | I can't go over 1.0 |
| [04:57:57] | godzirra: | 7200gs nvidia-glx-new |
| [04:58:03] | mzb_d800: | didn't we go over this before? |
| [04:58:07] | kormoc: | mzb_d800, you do know that tv's come in LCD and CRT flavors as well, no? |
| [04:58:14] | godzirra: | its a crt. |
| [04:58:19] | mzb_d800: | ah, sorry |
| [04:58:21] | godzirra: | mzb: yes, you told me I can't go over 1.0 |
| [04:58:23] | kormoc: | mzb_d800, others haven't been paying attention or even in the room |
| [04:58:27] | mzb_d800: | I've seen the pics:) |
| [04:58:34] | cmoates: | Doh |
| [04:58:36] | cmoates: | I saw the pic |
| [04:58:39] | cmoates: | And I still asked if it was a CRT |
| [04:58:44] | cmoates: | It's clearly too late :) |
| [04:58:52] | mzb_d800: | :) not to worry |
| [04:58:53] | defaultro: | godzirra, what output from video card? |
| [04:59:00] | godzirra: | cmoates: I've tried overscan, and if I set the height, width, and offset to 0, the colored line compeltely disappears. |
| [04:59:05] | godzirra: | s-video |
| [04:59:08] | defaultro: | k |
| [04:59:10] | godzirra: | cmoates: but my gui is screwed up. |
| [04:59:12] | mzb_d800: | cmoates: I've been mowing the lawn, and don't have any beer in the house :) |
| [04:59:16] | godzirra: | When I fix my gui, I get the line. |
| [04:59:23] | cmoates: | Isn't there separate playback/gui offsets? |
| [04:59:29] | godzirra: | Yes. hence why I'm confused. |
| [04:59:32] | cmoates: | hrm |
| [04:59:39] | cmoates: | Sorry for coming into the conversation mid-way |
| [04:59:46] | godzirra: | all good. i'll take whatever help I can get. |
| [04:59:52] | defaultro: | my gui playback is unchecked,maybe that will help |
| [04:59:54] | mzb_d800: | godzirra: adjust overscan by +/- 0.1 until it's almost right ... and then try +/- 0.05 .... etc |
| [05:00:11] | cmoates: | godzirra, mplayer or internal or...? |
| [05:00:40] | cmoates: | mzb_d800, no beer, and no rum either? :) |
| [05:00:42] | godzirra: | whatever the default is? |
| [05:00:45] | mzb_d800: | cmoates: the playback offsets are still within the (overscanned) output |
| [05:00:47] | defaultro: | godzirra, just curious, since I also want to build a new mythfrontend for old tv crt upstairs. What resolution did you use? |
| [05:00:53] | godzirra: | 1024x768 |
| [05:00:56] | kormoc: | cmoates, tv playback is limited to internal only |
| [05:00:56] | mzb_d800: | cmoates: nope ... have to wait for bbq for wine |
| [05:00:56] | defaultro: | cool |
| [05:01:15] | cmoates: | kormoc, thanks, didn't realize that |
| [05:01:16] | cmoates: | hmm |
| [05:01:25] | godzirra: | Would overscan make ad ifference if the appearance offsets make the line disappear? |
| [05:01:32] | mzb_d800: | ie. no matter the playback offsets, you STILL won't be able to overcome a lack of overscan |
| [05:01:55] | godzirra: | I'm not touching playback offsets though |
| [05:01:56] | cmoates: | except it's probably not a lack of overscan since his at 0,0 his artifact disappears |
| [05:01:57] | godzirra: | thats the weird part. |
| [05:02:03] | godzirra: | exactly. |
| [05:02:16] | mzb_d800: | yes, if you overscan those lines off the screen! :) |
| [05:02:16] | godzirra: | Hrm |
| [05:02:18] | cmoates: | too many his's, too much rum apparently |
| [05:02:21] | godzirra: | oddly even more, odd... |
| [05:02:27] | godzirra: | On the commercial playing its fading in and out |
| [05:02:29] | defaultro: | maybe, the tv needs a replacement :P |
| [05:02:31] | godzirra: | depending on the scene the commercial is on. |
| [05:02:35] | godzirra: | defaultro: hah =p |
| [05:02:47] | mzb_d800: | buy square glasses? :) |
| [05:03:01] | defaultro: | i'm just waiting for mine to die but it wouldn't die :D |
| [05:03:03] | godzirra: | I spent 5grand to not have glasses anymore. ;) |
| [05:03:07] | godzirra: | well, 3 |
| [05:03:09] | cmoates: | get a teensy bit of black paint and paint over it? :) |
| [05:03:14] | godzirra: | bah. |
| [05:03:34] | mzb_d800: | got a 48" arriving on Saturday ;P (price=free) |
| [05:03:38] | godzirra: | ... |
| [05:03:46] | cmoates: | SD or HD? |
| [05:03:50] | mzb_d800: | (has issues) |
| [05:03:53] | godzirra: | for free, who cares? ;p |
| [05:03:55] | mzb_d800: | rptv |
| [05:03:59] | clever_ is now known as clever | |
| [05:04:01] | godzirra: | Anyways though... how do I fix my problem? :) |
| [05:04:04] | cmoates: | I've got my SXRD on ebay, $50 ;) |
| [05:04:07] | cmoates: | hm |
| [05:04:10] | clever: | how much work would it be to have a PCI based fpga programer(with the fgpa part of the pci board) |
| [05:04:13] | clever: | so you can use the fpga to do decicated processing but reprogram it within the case |
| [05:04:23] | mzb_d800: | SD, KP-ES48 |
| [05:04:54] | cmoates: | godzirra, I know you have only been playing with the gui offsets |
| [05:05:01] | mzb_d800: | according to the min viewing distance in the manual, I'll have to lean back in the couch to watch it ;) |
| [05:05:03] | cmoates: | What happens when you play with playback offsets? |
| [05:05:15] | godzirra: | Give me a sec to try. |
| [05:05:19] | godzirra: | shit... gnome keeps dimming my tv too. =p |
| [05:05:24] | godzirra: | how do I turn that off? ;p |
| [05:05:26] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* |
| [05:05:33] | cmoates: | killall gnome? :) |
| [05:05:39] | cmoates: | it's gotta be in the control panel somewhere |
| [05:05:42] | clever: | sounds more like its the screensaver to me |
| [05:05:54] | cmoates: | yeah, that's what I mean, the screensaver controls |
| [05:05:57] | mzb_d800: | godzirra: screensaver -> power management |
| [05:06:00] | godzirra: | Do I want verticla over/underscan percentage? |
| [05:06:03] | godzirra: | or scan displacement? |
| [05:06:10] | clever: | it happens to me on the fe im on atm but i perfer to leave it on so the monitor doesnt die early |
| [05:06:32] | cmoates: | godzirra, let me fire up myth, sec |
| [05:06:53] | godzirra: | no prob. thanks. |
| [05:07:27] | mzb_d800: | ok, parting comment (I've got other things to attend to): those settings will not (properly) compensate for a lack of true overscan |
| [05:07:53] | cmoates: | Correct, but I don't think the amount of overscan is his issue |
| [05:08:06] | cmoates: | godzirra, I'm thinking X/Y displacement is what you want to look into |
| [05:08:18] | godzirra: | ok. Let me try that. |
| [05:08:27] | cmoates: | push them both to 100 or something |
| [05:09:13] | godzirra: | they only go to 50 ;) |
| [05:09:24] | godzirra: | ... |
| [05:09:28] | cmoates: | heh |
| [05:09:29] | godzirra: | that didnt s eem to have any change at all. |
| [05:09:32] | godzirra: | none. |
| [05:09:39] | godzirra: | Does it matter if I'm playing a recording? |
| [05:09:48] | cmoates: | as opposed to |
| [05:09:50] | cmoates: | live? |
| [05:09:51] | godzirra: | ya |
| [05:09:54] | cmoates: | maybe |
| [05:09:55] | cmoates: | not sure |
| [05:10:00] | cmoates: | try a recording |
| [05:10:03] | godzirra: | I was. |
| [05:10:30] | cmoates: | oh |
| [05:10:33] | cmoates: | well hrm |
| [05:10:50] | godzirra: | it does it on live |
| [05:11:02] | godzirra: | err it d oes have the line of color |
| [05:11:04] | godzirra: | it does NOT offset |
| [05:11:08] | godzirra: | the way I would expect. |
| [05:11:19] | cmoates: | Yeah |
| [05:11:23] | cmoates: | I'm looking at the same problem |
| [05:11:40] | cmoates: | Mine is all zeroes (dvi to 1:1 lcd) so I can change mine back easily |
| [05:12:09] | godzirra: | changing the top values definitely screws it up ;) |
| [05:12:14] | godzirra: | the offsets dont change anything though |
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| [05:15:57] | cmoates: | Well, clearly that's not working as we think it is (if at all) |
| [05:16:01] | cmoates: | So I guess you're back to the UI settings |
| [05:16:11] | cmoates: | And there, setting it to anything other than 0,0 breaks it? |
| [05:16:16] | godzirra: | not sure. |
| [05:16:18] | godzirra: | one sec, let me try. |
| [05:17:43] | godzirra: | seems to |
| [05:17:52] | godzirra: | setting it ridiculously small looks exactly the same as the right size ones do. |
| [05:19:40] | cmoates: | "exactly the same" |
| [05:19:43] | godzirra: | the offset doesnt seem to screw it up at all. |
| [05:19:47] | cmoates: | it's not havving an effect? |
| [05:19:49] | godzirra: | the exact same size weird artifact. |
| [05:19:52] | cmoates: | ah |
| [05:19:54] | godzirra: | the gui changes size ;) |
| [05:19:57] | cmoates: | ok |
| [05:20:00] | cmoates: | just making sure ;) |
| [05:20:08] | godzirra: | Ok.. if I have the offsets set to the right values, no line. |
| [05:20:15] | godzirra: | It seems to be only when I set width and height to anything but 0 |
| [05:20:20] | cmoates: | and width and heigh set to... 0? |
| [05:20:25] | godzirra: | Yes. |
| [05:20:31] | godzirra: | 0,0,40,32 shows no artifacts. |
| [05:20:33] | cmoates: | wait |
| [05:20:36] | cmoates: | there's a checkbox there |
| [05:20:44] | cmoates: | "Use GUI size for TV playback" |
| [05:20:50] | cmoates: | is that on or off? |
| [05:20:58] | godzirra: | I cant tell anymore :) |
| [05:21:05] | godzirra: | its off the screen |
| [05:21:05] | cmoates: | heh |
| [05:21:10] | cmoates: | well get it back :) |
| [05:21:21] | godzirra: | unchecked. |
| [05:21:26] | godzirra: | it -was- checked before at one point. |
| [05:21:39] | godzirra: | I wonder if I should just restart the frontend and see if it makes a difference. |
| [05:21:42] | cmoates: | Try turning it on once you get the line configured to be gone, and see if/what that changes? |
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| [05:21:57] | cmoates: | Restarting shouldn't matter |
| [05:22:04] | cmoates: | But you can if you're so inclined |
| [05:22:13] | godzirra: | heh. I'll take your word. |
| [05:22:24] | godzirra: | ok, line is gone. |
| [05:22:42] | godzirra: | trying to check it now. |
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| [05:23:20] | godzirra: | didnt seem to make much difference. |
| [05:23:31] | cmoates: | So your line is still there |
| [05:23:39] | godzirra: | no, you said get the line to be gone. ;) |
| [05:23:42] | godzirra: | then turn it on |
| [05:23:47] | godzirra: | want me to get the line back then turn it on? |
| [05:23:48] | cmoates: | yes |
| [05:23:57] | cmoates: | No, make the line go away, turn on the checkbox, then try a show |
| [05:23:59] | cmoates: | Is what I meant |
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| [05:24:27] | godzirra: | The line wa gone, I turned on the checkbox then watched a show. |
| [05:24:42] | Aval0n: | !seen |torg| |
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| [05:24:43] | godzirra: | It didnt change anything. |
| [05:24:58] | Aval0n: | is mythweb a part of svn? |
| [05:25:01] | Aval0n: | or is it seperate? |
| [05:25:10] | godzirra: | part of mythplugin in svn |
| [05:25:11] | cmoates: | feh |
| [05:25:20] | Aval0n: | ever since I've updated to svn I get an error when accessing mythweb |
| [05:25:24] | Aval0n: | says the backened isn't running, |
| [05:25:26] | Aval0n: | but it is |
| [05:25:48] | Aval0n: | i installed plugins, and the configure script said everything would be installed |
| [05:27:04] | godzirra: | cmoates: ya, I've got nothin'. |
| [05:27:21] | cmoates: | godzirra, I'm running out of ideas, hrm |
| [05:29:59] | kormoc: | Aval0mn, you need to check out the specific mythweb dir and use that, it doesn't install via the configure scripts |
| [05:30:08] | cmoates: | godzirra |
| [05:30:22] | godzirra: | ya? |
| [05:30:23] | cmoates: | maybe try to increase the UI settings on the bottom (i.e. Y height) |
| [05:30:25] | Aval0n: | ok thanks kormoc I'll look into it |
| [05:30:32] | godzirra: | I already tried it. |
| [05:30:35] | cmoates: | just a little more than you have to? |
| [05:30:35] | godzirra: | didnt make any difference. |
| [05:30:36] | cmoates: | hrm |
| [05:30:47] | godzirra: | lemme try again |
| [05:30:48] | godzirra: | can't hurt. |
| [05:30:51] | Aval0n: | wish I had a time machine to know around when .21 would hit |
| [05:31:30] | cmoates: | I still like my black paint idea ;) |
| [05:31:36] | godzirra: | =p |
| [05:31:45] | godzirra: | ok, just put in stats... |
| [05:31:47] | godzirra: | got the line back |
| [05:31:54] | godzirra: | let me try chanigng height tosomething insane. |
| [05:32:04] | cmoates: | I had these same problems with my SXRD, but I was able to resolve it with that checkbox enabled and proper offsets |
| [05:32:17] | cmoates: | (and proper width/height) |
| [05:32:29] | godzirra: | I went from 706 to like 1100 something |
| [05:32:30] | cmoates: | So I'm a bit stumped as to why they'd be acting differently |
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| [05:32:41] | godzirra: | nope. |
| [05:32:46] | godzirra: | hrm |
| [05:32:47] | godzirra: | wait |
| [05:32:54] | godzirra: | no, still have the line. |
| [05:32:58] | cmoates: | Is it possible that the video has the line in it? |
| [05:33:08] | cmoates: | Like, can you download it to your windows machine and look at it in a window? |
| [05:33:16] | godzirra: | no, because it goes away when I drop all the ui stats |
| [05:33:19] | godzirra: | Sure. |
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| [05:33:21] | godzirra: | it'll take a while. |
| [05:33:24] | cmoates: | hm |
| [05:33:26] | godzirra: | the video is like 2.8 gigs for an hour :) |
| [05:33:32] | clever: | you can stream it to the player on windows |
| [05:33:34] | cmoates: | And yeah, you said it'll go away |
| [05:33:35] | clever: | thru mythweb |
| [05:33:45] | cmoates: | But I wonder if it's not part of the video source |
| [05:33:49] | clever: | also mythtv has a windowed mode |
| [05:33:59] | godzirra: | ah ok. |
| [05:34:00] | godzirra: | let me try that. |
| [05:34:05] | godzirra: | I didnt know you could stream through mythweb. |
| [05:34:08] | clever: | play mythtv in a small window(same size as vid res) with no offsets/border |
| [05:34:20] | clever: | then it wont scale it any |
| [05:34:42] | godzirra: | how do I stream? |
| [05:34:59] | cmoates: | I think you can just clilck on a show in mythweb |
| [05:35:09] | cmoates: | I don't use mythweb, so I'm not the guy to ask |
| [05:35:12] | godzirra: | it has a url of myth://127.0.0.1:6543 |
| [05:35:17] | godzirra: | So I dont think that will work :) |
| [05:35:21] | cmoates: | indeed not |
| [05:35:26] | clever: | godzirra: turn that off in mythweb settings |
| [05:35:32] | cmoates: | brb |
| [05:35:50] | clever: | it thinks you have a windows player which handles myth:// and talks to the mythbackend normaly(the myth way) |
| [05:36:09] | clever: | once off mythweb gives a http stream or an asx stream |
| [05:36:29] | godzirra: | where in mythweb settings? |
| [05:36:54] | ** clever looks ** | |
| [05:38:21] | Aval0n: | i'm still trying to figure out why the heck my hd playback starts stuttering after 15 minutes of watching an hd recording |
| [05:39:11] | clever: | Aval0n: check mythfrontend logs |
| [05:39:23] | clever: | godzirra: under the tv section of mythweb settings |
| [05:39:48] | Aval0n: | clever I checked my logs and only have backend. |
| [05:40:02] | clever: | . |
| [05:40:19] | clever: | Aval0n: how is the frontend being started? |
| [05:40:19] | Aval0n: | I use the ubuntu mythtv frontend, so if I try to kill the frontend the whole openbox session logs out |
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| [05:40:33] | Aval0n: | so it's almost impossible to start it with the logging flag |
| [05:40:45] | clever: | lol |
| [05:40:45] | Aval0n: | I guess I could break out a kb and mouse and log into another console to do it |
| [05:40:48] | Aval0n: | run it in a window |
| [05:41:04] | clever: | you could simply edit the script so when it auto starts it has loging on |
| [05:41:13] | Aval0n: | hmm yeah |
| [05:41:17] | Aval0n: | I wonder where teh script lies |
| [05:41:30] | mchou: | or just start mythfrontend in the console |
| [05:41:44] | mchou: | logging atomatically to the console |
| [05:41:44] | godzirra: | clever: where? i click settings and dont have a tv section |
| [05:41:49] | clever: | it may still be running |
| [05:41:49] | clever: | ps -eH x |
| [05:41:49] | clever: | that gives a tree view showing what started what |
| [05:41:49] | clever: | the script may be right above mythfrontend |
| [05:41:51] | mchou: | automatically* |
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| [05:42:05] | clever: | godzirra: on the left in mythweb settings are a number of things including TV |
| [05:42:22] | godzirra: | ok, when I click on it though I get a list of thigns to be recorded. |
| [05:42:47] | Aval0n: | clever thanks let me check it out |
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| [05:43:05] | clever: | . |
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| [05:44:10] | godzirra: | what am I missing? |
| [05:44:19] | godzirra: | I'm really not stupid, I swear. ;p |
| [05:44:20] | clever: | http://..../mythweb/settings/tv |
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| [05:44:31] | clever: | fill in the blank and you will be in exactly the right place |
| [05:44:45] | Aval0n: | clever I see the backened starting but not the frontend in there |
| [05:44:58] | godzirra: | /settings/tv goes to the same place as /settings |
| [05:44:59] | clever: | Aval0n: is the frontend allready running? |
| [05:44:59] | godzirra: | for me. |
| [05:45:12] | mchou: | Aval0n: just start mythfrontend at a prompt |
| [05:45:14] | clever: | godzirra: /settings/ defaults to the last place you went |
| [05:45:18] | Aval0n: | sorry i'm wrong |
| [05:45:22] | godzirra: | oh. |
| [05:45:22] | Aval0n: | 3689 ? S 0:00 /usr/sbin/gdm --config=/etc/gdm/gdm-cdd.conf |
| [05:45:22] | Aval0n: | 3697 tty7 SLs+ 7:57 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib |
| [05:45:22] | Aval0n: | 3709 ? SLsl 48:41 mythfrontend |
| [05:45:23] | godzirra: | odd. |
| [05:45:31] | godzirra: | actually |
| [05:45:44] | godzirra: | /settings says "This is the index page for teh configuration settignds" |
| [05:46:04] | godzirra: | under it , I have mythweb session settings, mythtv global defaults, mythtv channel info, mythtv key bindings and mythtv settings table |
| [05:46:20] | mchou: | godzirra: I'd be amazed if it actually said that :) |
| [05:46:37] | godzirra: | Well, the person who wrote it can type and apparently I can't tonight. ;) |
| [05:46:41] | godzirra: | I've been wrestling with myth for hours. |
| [05:46:45] | godzirra: | its been kicking my ass. |
| [05:46:54] | mchou: | godzirra: take a break |
| [05:47:00] | clever: | could be your mythweb is older then mine |
| [05:47:10] | godzirra: | I'm going to bed in a minute. |
| [05:47:14] | godzirra: | clever: what is the option actually called? |
| [05:47:22] | godzirra: | maybe its in my default settings or something |
| [05:47:26] | clever: | godzirra: something about myth:// on windows |
| [05:47:28] | godzirra: | I installed mythweb from svn only ... hmm... 5 days ago? |
| [05:47:33] | Aval0n: | clever I see it has an automatic login for mythtv |
| [05:47:47] | Aval0n: | there must be an init.rc or something starting mythfrontend |
| [05:47:50] | godzirra: | Hrm. |
| [05:47:54] | godzirra: | I dont see anything like that... |
| [05:47:58] | clever: | Aval0n: yeah i setup automatic login to a 'tv' username which auto ran mythfrontend on my dads box |
| [05:48:27] | mchou: | Aval0n: for now just kill the mythfrontend processand start one at a console |
| [05:48:35] | clever: | but it waits 30 seconds(so you can login as some1 else) |
| [05:48:41] | godzirra: | in theory I should be able to just play thre mpeg through mplayer right? |
| [05:48:44] | godzirra: | to see if it has that line? |
| [05:48:52] | mchou: | Aval0n: it wont really matter how man front end processes you start anyways |
| [05:48:56] | clever: | godzirra: yeah you should be able to |
| [05:48:56] | mchou: | many* |
| [05:49:06] | clever: | mchou: it does with upnp |
| [05:49:21] | godzirra: | cmoates: no line. |
| [05:49:30] | clever: | mchou: if i run a 2nd fe on my box it seems to fail to bind to upnp so it thinks theres no be arround and everything goes crazy |
| [05:49:41] | cmoates: | godzirra you are making me cry |
| [05:49:57] | cmoates: | the only other thing I can think of |
| [05:49:58] | mchou: | clever: well, turn off upnp then |
| [05:50:00] | mchou: | :) |
| [05:50:04] | cmoates: | is the other option to "use frontend in a window" |
| [05:50:14] | cmoates: | And restart the fe |
| [05:50:20] | clever: | mchou: its doing the upnp check before even looking at mysq.txt i beleive |
| [05:50:21] | cmoates: | see if you can get that help or not |
| [05:50:50] | clever: | mchou: its meant to init mysql.txt from upnp for new fe's |
| [05:50:51] | clever: | mchou: so no config option would realy affect it |
| [05:50:53] | kormoc: | /settings/tv should have worked for at least 0.19+ |
| [05:51:07] | Aval0n: | hey clever. |
| [05:51:09] | Aval0n: | <menu id="root-menu" label="Openbox 3"> |
| [05:51:09] | Aval0n: | <item label="MythTV Frontend"> |
| [05:51:09] | Aval0n: | <action name="Execute"><execute>mythfrontend</execute></acti on> |
| [05:51:09] | Aval0n: | </item> |
| [05:51:16] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [05:51:18] | mchou: | clever: can always comment out the offending code :) |
| [05:51:18] | Aval0n: | that must be it |
| [05:51:27] | clever: | . |
| [05:51:32] | clever: | . |
| [05:51:34] | clever: | mchou: yeah i could:P |
| [05:51:37] | Aval0n: | what's the command for logging? -v all logfilename |
| [05:51:45] | clever: | Aval0n: that could be it |
| [05:51:46] | godzirra: | cmoates: let me try that I suppose. |
| [05:52:03] | clever: | allmost right |
| [05:52:13] | clever: | -v all -l logfilename |
| [05:52:17] | Aval0n: | doh |
| [05:52:19] | Aval0n: | cool thank you |
| [05:52:21] | clever: | and you may want to give it a full path |
| [05:52:21] | Aval0n: | very much |
| [05:52:24] | clever: | it could wind up anywhere |
| [05:52:26] | Aval0n: | yeah I will |
| [05:52:39] | Aval0n: | i'll stick in with the backened logs under /var/log/mythtv/ |
| [05:52:39] | godzirra: | cmoates: where od I set it to start in a window? |
| [05:52:41] | clever: | /tmp/ saves you from write access problems |
| [05:52:51] | cmoates: | same screen as the offsets |
| [05:53:05] | godzirra: | I found it. |
| [05:53:17] | godzirra: | still got a line. |
| [05:53:32] | cmoates: | you restarted the fe? |
| [05:53:32] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [05:53:33] | Aval0n: | ok |
| [05:53:38] | godzirra: | err no |
| [05:53:39] | Aval0n: | I'll log to temp then |
| [05:53:56] | mchou: | Aval0n: tail -f logfile :) |
| [05:54:08] | clever: | mchou: -F is better |
| [05:54:12] | mchou: | Aval0n: helps you see what's up |
| [05:54:27] | clever: | with -f if the file is deleted and replaced tail wont notice(still has the old file open) |
| [05:54:46] | clever: | but -F makes it check the actual path every now and then to see if the file got renamed/moved |
| [05:55:03] | mchou: | bah, that's the least ov Aval0n's issues |
| [05:55:06] | clever: | (helps when log rotate moves/deletes things your following) |
| [05:55:07] | mchou: | of* |
| [05:55:14] | Aval0n: | yeah :) |
| [05:55:45] | clever: | -f would follow last weeks log which gets no more appends |
| [05:55:45] | clever: | because it was the current log when tail started |
| [05:55:50] | Aval0n: | restarting the fe now |
| [05:56:05] | mchou: | clever: it's going to /tmp. better not logrotate there unless you reboot |
| [05:56:08] | clever: | . |
| [05:56:20] | clever: | mchou: or the fe deletes the log on startup |
| [05:56:28] | godzirra: | cmoates: lines still there. |
| [05:56:32] | clever: | mchou: also a cronjob on 1 of my boxes deletes /tmp/ files that are old |
| [05:56:42] | cmoates: | godzirra, I just don't know :( |
| [05:56:45] | godzirra: | bleh. |
| [05:57:11] | cmoates: | What we're doing fixed my same problem |
| [05:57:44] | mchou: | Aval0n: you sure the program plays fine in other players like mplayer or xine? |
| [05:58:20] | godzirra: | Wel crud. |
| [05:58:25] | mchou: | Aval0n: helps to eliminate problems at the source |
| [05:58:56] | godzirra: | ok, if I use irw, it says this: 000000037ff07bed 00 ChanUp mceusb |
| [05:59:05] | godzirra: | and in my /etc/lircd.conf it says this: ChanUp 0x00007bed |
| [05:59:09] | Aval0n: | no i'm not sure mchou |
| [05:59:10] | mchou: | Aval0n: you should als let us know which version of myth is bein used |
| [05:59:15] | mchou: | being* |
| [05:59:16] | Aval0n: | I just know that myth starts stuttering |
| [05:59:21] | Aval0n: | and since it only happens after 20 minutes |
| [05:59:21] | godzirra: | But when I hit chanup, it says "Jump Back" and rewinds the show. |
| [05:59:26] | Aval0n: | it's a pain to troubleshoot |
| [05:59:31] | Aval0n: | but it's ANY HD recording |
| [05:59:36] | mchou: | Aval0n: it could be the source |
| [05:59:37] | Aval0n: | so it's not file specific |
| [05:59:52] | mchou: | like a bad antenna or noisy coax |
| [06:00:20] | godzirra: | anyone have any ideas? |
| [06:00:22] | kormoc: | godzirra, if it's a mceusb, why not use the lirc that comes with myth? |
| [06:00:27] | cmoates: | godzirra, I have my own lirc issues, I'm not the guy to talk to, if I had the time I'd probably write a lirc competitor |
| [06:00:31] | mchou: | Aval0n: helps if you make sure the files play ok first in other players..... |
| [06:01:22] | mchou: | Aval0n: could also be your system overheating, working too hard to decode..... |
| [06:01:50] | clever: | could also be fragmentation of the filesystem |
| [06:01:58] | mchou: | which helps explain the 20 min lag |
| [06:02:07] | godzirra: | kormoc: I did. |
| [06:02:10] | godzirra: | its mceusb2 |
| [06:02:10] | clever: | on ocasion that gets so bad my drive cant output fast enough to play |
| [06:02:15] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [06:02:26] | Aval0n: | on my ps aux|grep mythfrontend |
| [06:02:29] | kormoc: | godzirra, same remote I have (or close to it) |
| [06:02:36] | Aval0n: | it's not showing that it's running with -v all -l logfile |
| [06:02:42] | godzirra: | Well, I think its mceusb2. Thats how I got it to work, but the wiki is not very clear. |
| [06:02:45] | godzirra: | its the 1069. |
| [06:02:47] | Aval0n: | but I changed that damned script |
| [06:02:51] | godzirra: | lirc_mceusb definitely doesnt work and lirc_mceusb2 definitely did |
| [06:02:54] | mchou: | Aval0n: forget the log file for now |
| [06:03:01] | godzirra: | so I used the mceusb2 config, even though the wiki said it was lirc_mceusb |
| [06:03:07] | mchou: | Aval0n: just run the thing on the console |
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| [06:03:26] | Aval0n: | yeah but then I have to take down my main PC to steal it's keyboard and mouse |
| [06:03:30] | Aval0n: | which would be this one |
| [06:03:32] | kormoc: | godzirra, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remo . . . nter_Remotes |
| [06:04:11] | kormoc: | godzirra, if it's that black one, it's rather new and a bit flaky |
| [06:04:13] | godzirra: | kormoc: I've read it many times. |
| [06:04:23] | godzirra: | well piss. |
| [06:04:41] | godzirra: | If I cant get the remote to work, there's a good chance I'll have to dump myth and keep the tivo :/ |
| [06:04:53] | godzirra: | It shows up right on irw |
| [06:04:56] | mchou: | godzirra: lol |
| [06:05:13] | godzirra: | and is listed (using the irw code.. well part of it, however that works) in the lircd.conf |
| [06:05:15] | mchou: | godzirra: better quit while you're ahead |
| [06:05:16] | godzirra: | mchou: its for my wife. |
| [06:05:23] | mchou: | godzirra: lol |
| [06:05:30] | godzirra: | she's not tech stupid, but she's pissed at tivo. I'm trying to make it easy for her. |
| [06:05:42] | mchou: | godzirra: I warned you about using that excuse :) |
| [06:05:46] | godzirra: | I'm sold on myth. I just need to get the remote working. |
| [06:06:12] | kormoc: | are you using a newish version of lirc? |
| [06:06:19] | mchou: | godzirra: I told ya to get the HD Tivo earlier. |
| [06:06:37] | mchou: | godzirra: for your "wife" |
| [06:07:08] | mchou: | godzirra: actually, what is she pissed about the tivo? |
| [06:07:25] | godzirra: | The company. |
| [06:07:29] | godzirra: | Not the hardware. |
| [06:07:31] | godzirra: | well, the hardware too. |
| [06:07:40] | godzirra: | we got the new update on our series 2 and it killed it. |
| [06:07:49] | godzirra: | they said "Sorry. We can sell you a new one for 180 bucks." |
| [06:07:51] | mchou: | godzirra: oh, I remember now, firmware upgrade |
| [06:07:54] | godzirra: | Yeah. |
| [06:08:07] | godzirra: | Besides, I'm totally sold on auto commercial skip. |
| [06:08:08] | mchou: | yeah, she should be pissed about that |
| [06:08:13] | godzirra: | Hence why I just need to fix the remote. ;) |
| [06:08:49] | godzirra: | mchou: I love how you put "wife" in quotes. I watch 2 shows. |
| [06:08:52] | godzirra: | Heroes and Porn. |
| [06:08:54] | godzirra: | :) |
| [06:09:05] | mchou: | Porn is more than one show |
| [06:09:11] | godzirra: | Shh. |
| [06:09:13] | godzirra: | It counts as 1. |
| [06:09:38] | Aval0n: | anyone know where to go to edit openbox ini scripts |
| [06:09:43] | Aval0n: | init* |
| [06:10:07] | mchou: | godzirra: I remember in our prvious discussion you said you got plenty. Why the need for Porn? |
| [06:10:10] | Aval0n: | i found a menu.xml but that doesn't seem to be helping anything |
| [06:10:14] | mchou: | previous* |
| [06:10:38] | mchou: | godzirra: just wondering about that psychology..... |
| [06:11:03] | godzirra: | I don't actually watch porn that much. It was a joke. |
| [06:11:11] | mchou: | heh, OK |
| [06:11:19] | godzirra: | Besides, just because I get laid doesnt mean I dont like looking at hot nekkid chicks. ;) |
| [06:11:25] | mchou: | lol |
| [06:11:33] | godzirra: | But more importantly... |
| [06:11:36] | godzirra: | how do I fix my remote. ;) |
| [06:11:52] | godzirra: | chanup and down fast forwards and rewinds ;) |
| [06:12:02] | mchou: | godzirra: haha!! |
| [06:12:26] | godzirra: | I didnt think it was -that- funny. |
| [06:12:26] | mchou: | your wife will luv you now with taht remote! |
| [06:12:30] | godzirra: | lmao |
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| [06:14:13] | mchou: | I think the best remote is the gamepad |
| [06:14:32] | mchou: | bypass lirc completely and use evdev |
| [06:14:35] | godzirra: | well, this is what I have now ;) |
| [06:14:52] | mchou: | godzirra: you have a game pad noe? |
| [06:14:57] | mchou: | now* |
| [06:15:16] | godzirra: | no. |
| [06:15:20] | godzirra: | The 1069 is what I ave now. |
| [06:15:23] | godzirra: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remo . . . nter_Remotes |
| [06:15:46] | mchou: | yeah |
| [06:18:18] | mchou: | I dont get it. The directions on the page doesnt work? |
| [06:19:11] | godzirra: | No, I followed the directions. |
| [06:19:21] | godzirra: | and the rmeote works fine... except when the buttons dont do what they say they should do =p |
| [06:19:25] | godzirra: | irw shows them working correctly. |
| [06:21:22] | mchou: | besides ff and rw, what other keys dont work right in myth? |
| [06:21:48] | mchou: | or was that up/down? |
| [06:22:08] | godzirra: | channel up and channel down |
| [06:22:12] | godzirra: | I dont think guide works. |
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| [06:23:16] | mchou: | you do something like this? ln -s ~/.lircrc ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [06:23:38] | NickGray: | Anyone here ever use VMware under Windows XP to practice/sample a MythTV install? |
| [06:23:49] | godzirra: | I dont have a ~/.lircrc |
| [06:24:00] | godzirra: | I did cp /etc/lircd.conf to ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [06:24:13] | godzirra: | Wait, no I didnt. |
| [06:24:17] | mchou: | lol |
| [06:24:21] | godzirra: | I created a new file for ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [06:24:27] | godzirra: | I thought it was copy of lircd.conf, but it isnt. |
| [06:24:58] | godzirra: | I do have this in ~/.mythtv/lircrc though: |
| [06:24:59] | godzirra: | button = ChanDown |
| [06:24:59] | godzirra: | config = PgDown |
| [06:25:06] | godzirra: | same with up except, up instead of down |
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| [06:25:52] | Aval0n: | when you login to a console on gnone, what file does it use to init applications |
| [06:26:10] | Aval0n: | some .rc file in home dir? cause I can't find one. |
| [06:26:17] | mchou: | godzirra: there's your problem right there |
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| [06:26:47] | mchou: | PgUp/Down in myth by default is ff/rw |
| [06:26:51] | godzirra: | Huh. |
| [06:26:55] | godzirra: | thats odd. |
| [06:27:00] | godzirra: | I copied it from one of the myth pages.... somewhere. |
| [06:27:04] | godzirra: | what should it be then? |
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| [06:27:30] | mchou: | iirc arrow up/down |
| [06:27:54] | edman007: | anyone know how to make mythtv not use Xv (i want X11 instead, mplayer supports it) |
| [06:28:19] | kormoc: | godzirra, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . mple.mceusb2 |
| [06:28:48] | kormoc: | edman007, NO_XV=1 or NOXV=1 as a env var, but keep in mind, myth will use more cpu that way |
| [06:29:10] | edman007: | kormoc, well its better then making X crash |
| [06:29:25] | clever: | fixing the xv problem would be even better:P |
| [06:29:29] | ** edman007 complains about nvidia+Xv+compiz problems ** | |
| [06:29:32] | godzirra: | mchou: look at what kormoc just pasted. |
| [06:29:36] | godzirra: | PgDown is ChanDown |
| [06:29:37] | godzirra: | and the same for up |
| [06:29:41] | godzirra: | thats the file I used. |
| [06:29:54] | cmoates: | Have ou tried recording your own profile using irrecord? |
| [06:30:07] | godzirra: | no idea what that is, so I'm going with no ;) |
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| [06:30:49] | clever: | my commflag jobs seem to be renicing to a lower level on there own |
| [06:30:53] | cmoates: | I am doing that as we speak for my vizio remote |
| [06:31:07] | clever: | but it also appears to be sleeping on its own to release the cpu(causing it to not fully use it) |
| [06:31:08] | cmoates: | you run irrecord -d /dev/lirc[whatever] remotename |
| [06:31:12] | cmoates: | and it'll try to learn your remote |
| [06:31:14] | godzirra: | kormoc: yes, that mceusb2 profile is wrong. |
| [06:31:20] | clever: | how would i 'fix' that to use more cpu power? |
| [06:31:23] | mchou: | godzirra: trust me, up/down changes channel while watching TV in myth |
| [06:31:23] | cmoates: | in case maybe something is amiss in the config, you can define a new one based on your actual remote |
| [06:31:24] | godzirra: | kormoc: pageup and pagedown definitely do not channel up or down :) |
| [06:31:37] | godzirra: | mchou: thats the odd thing though... up and down does change them unless you hit enter, does it? |
| [06:31:42] | godzirra: | mchou: I believe you ;) I tried it. |
| [06:32:15] | mchou: | godzirra: I dont think enter is required |
| [06:32:20] | clever: | godzirra: page up/down are ff/rw keys on my setup |
| [06:32:27] | godzirra: | mchou: it is on mine when I do it from the keyboard...? |
| [06:32:33] | Aval0n: | how can you do a recursive on a grep? |
| [06:32:34] | godzirra: | clever: they are on mine too. |
| [06:32:38] | godzirra: | Aval0n: man grep |
| [06:32:38] | mchou: | godzirra: not for me. |
| [06:32:40] | godzirra: | or grep --help |
| [06:32:40] | Aval0n: | if I wannt search within subdirs too |
| [06:32:52] | mchou: | rgrep :) |
| [06:32:55] | kormoc: | wannt? |
| [06:32:55] | godzirra: | But since people have been insanely helpful to me tonight, its -r |
| [06:32:57] | clever: | . |
| [06:32:59] | defaultro: | hey folks, I just noticed that I'm seeing some picture quality loss on my hd recordings. I switched back and forth between my comcast hd box and mythtv and I see picture loss on mythtv. Is there anything that I can tweak to make it as equal as possible |
| [06:33:06] | godzirra: | for recursive. |
| [06:33:17] | kormoc: | defaultro, recording via? |
| [06:33:22] | godzirra: | mchou: thats odd. why would mine require enter and yours not? (when using the keyboard) |
| [06:33:31] | mchou: | godzirra: beats me |
| [06:33:37] | defaultro: | DVICO Fusion HDTV5 Lite |
| [06:33:41] | godzirra: | bleh. |
| [06:33:49] | godzirra: | clever: do yours require you to hit enter after changing the channel? |
| [06:33:59] | clever: | godzirra: i rarely use livetv so i dont know |
| [06:34:01] | godzirra: | using up and down arrows on the keyboard? |
| [06:34:02] | godzirra: | hrm. |
| [06:34:13] | cmoates: | I have to press enter to change channels for livetv |
| [06:34:15] | cmoates: | fwiw |
| [06:34:22] | defaultro: | I was comparing the curtains. Mythtv is showing like a jpeg's loss but none on the DCT6200 |
| [06:34:26] | godzirra: | ok. |
| [06:34:26] | clever: | i just change the channel in the tv itself if i want livetv |
| [06:34:38] | godzirra: | cmoates: what does your ~/.mythtv/lircrc show for channel up and down? |
| [06:35:03] | cmoates: | I don't use the MCE remote |
| [06:35:08] | godzirra: | oh. darnit. |
| [06:35:10] | cmoates: | :( |
| [06:35:14] | cmoates: | I use a firefly |
| [06:35:23] | kormoc: | defaultro, curtains? |
| [06:35:51] | defaultro: | sorry, i was watching a night show. This guy was a stand up comedian. Behind him was a red curtain |
| [06:35:51] | godzirra: | does it matter? You still have to have a lircrc right? |
| [06:35:53] | kormoc: | godzirra, I use said config for mine just fine (1039) |
| [06:36:06] | defaultro: | That's were I saw a lot of blocking |
| [06:36:18] | godzirra: | kormoc: thats very odd. I'm using the 1069 and if i use the keyboard, pageup and pagedown without a doubt fastforward and rewring. |
| [06:36:22] | godzirra: | rewind even |
| [06:36:29] | defaultro: | the shape was like squares and were very obvious when camera man was moving |
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| [06:36:56] | defaultro: | then i switched back to DCT6200 and I didn't see any blocking |
| [06:37:25] | mchou: | godzirra: bah, just configure it right and move on |
| [06:37:37] | godzirra: | mchou: if I knew how to configure it right, I would ;p |
| [06:37:43] | defaultro: | is there anything I can tweak so that it records everything |
| [06:37:46] | cmoates: | defaulto, lack of CPU for full decoding? |
| [06:37:56] | mchou: | godzirra: up/down |
| [06:38:07] | godzirra: | For config, I just put "Up" and "Down"? |
| [06:38:08] | defaultro: | cmoates, i can play full 1080p without any issues |
| [06:38:10] | cmoates: | afaik, you record the actual mpeg stream as sent by the provider |
| [06:38:13] | mchou: | godzirra: for ff/rw |
| [06:38:15] | mchou: | up |
| [06:38:19] | cmoates: | There's no transcoding, etc, going on |
| [06:38:23] | defaultro: | ok |
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| [06:38:29] | cmoates: | So if playback is blocky |
| [06:38:31] | mchou: | godzirra: yup |
| [06:38:34] | cmoates: | Something is affecting playback, most likely |
| [06:38:39] | godzirra: | Ahhh.. |
| [06:38:41] | defaultro: | playback is very smooth |
| [06:38:41] | cmoates: | Try to stream it to a different machine? |
| [06:38:44] | godzirra: | The up button will change it if I hit up then ok |
| [06:38:51] | defaultro: | let me pause it and do a screenshot |
| [06:38:53] | cmoates: | See if the artifacts are still there? |
| [06:38:59] | cmoates: | Oh, I don't doubt what you're saying |
| [06:39:23] | cmoates: | But I question whether or not whatever playback mechanism you're using is doing a full decode, because it doesn't think there's enough cpu available, or something similar |
| [06:39:25] | mchou: | godzirra: try Up;Enter :) |
| [06:39:26] | godzirra: | Why would the guide button not work though? |
| [06:39:27] | cmoates: | maybe a playback profile? |
| [06:39:28] | godzirra: | alt+g is the guide? |
| [06:41:08] | godzirra: | mchou: didnt work. |
| [06:41:10] | godzirra: | I'll screw with it later. |
| [06:41:14] | godzirra: | I've got work in like 5–6 hours. |
| [06:41:16] | mchou: | godzirra: you know there is a dictionary of all default key mappings in the front end UI, right? |
| [06:41:18] | godzirra: | thanks for the help guys. |
| [06:41:22] | godzirra: | mchou: Actually I didnt... |
| [06:41:25] | godzirra: | mchou: where? |
| [06:43:07] | mchou: | it's actually in mythtv-setup, iirc |
| [06:43:11] | godzirra: | ok |
| [06:43:16] | godzirra: | I'll look tomorrow. |
| [06:43:18] | godzirra: | night folks. |
| [06:46:09] | defaultro: | here it is. You will notice loss of color on the curtains. Blocking will be evident if you brighten up the picture. http://restricted.dyndns.org/comedian.png |
| [06:46:43] | defaultro: | it's obvious on the bluish shade on the curtains |
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| [06:47:33] | defaultro: | maybe, I have to try a different playback method. I'm currently using linear deinterlace. What are you guys using? |
| [06:47:55] | daMaestro: | hmm.. well i've changed my preferences for transcoding via the frontend.. but it sure doesn't seem like mpeg4 is being used, i'm still using ~1.1GB/.5hour |
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| [06:49:23] | daMaestro: | AutoTranscode = 1 and i set all profiles to use mp4 :-/ |
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| [06:50:41] | tank-man: | just using mpeg4 doesnt make it smaller, you have to use a lower bitrate |
| [06:52:28] | edman007: | ...just how CPU hungry is it to record as mpeg4? i have a PVR-150 and i know mpeg2 is 0 CPU, but how bad is mpeg4 (i have a 3.3Ghz P4) |
| [06:53:21] | daMaestro: | edman007, i'm working on a similar setup |
| [06:53:39] | daMaestro: | edman007, no matter what we have to record mpeg2, but we can transcode afterwords to mpeg4 |
| [06:53:45] | daMaestro: | tank-man, it wasn't even transcoding |
| [06:54:28] | edman007: | daMaestro, oh...do you know how long a 3Ghz P4 would take to transcode a 1 hour video? |
| [06:54:40] | daMaestro: | edman007, it all depends on what you have it do |
| [06:55:02] | edman007: | ...well only that CPU ;) |
| [06:55:24] | edman007: | and just to some decent quality mpeg4 (from mpeg2) |
| [06:55:43] | daMaestro: | play around with nuvexport and just "time" it |
| [06:55:52] | edman007: | i would be nice to extend what my 300GB partition hold |
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| [06:55:59] | edman007: | daMaestro, alright |
| [06:56:32] | daMaestro: | edman007, and: mythtranscode |
| [06:56:40] | edman007: | ...and i don't have nuvexport |
| [06:56:49] | ** edman007 tries mythtranscode ** | |
| [06:57:08] | daMaestro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport |
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| [06:57:35] | daMaestro: | it actually creates a new copy.. i think we both want the 1.1GB/.5hour to be reduced |
| [06:57:40] | daMaestro: | aka mythtranscode |
| [06:58:09] | edman007: | my mpeg2 runs about 850Mb/.5hour |
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| [07:02:10] | daMaestro: | aha! i needed to enable transcoding for the mpeg2 profile provided by my pvr.. so now it's actually "transcoding" ... good. |
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| [07:04:32] | daMaestro: | wow.. transcode did nice 218MB -> 77MB for a quick 6 minute recording |
| [07:05:22] | daMaestro: | i might get rid of my export to xvid and just export to my neo1973 instead |
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| [07:24:08] | daMaestro: | hmm so, how do i enable de-interlacing via the auto-transcode? |
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| [07:31:58] | daMaestro: | nice, comm flagging is just so sexy |
| [07:32:30] | clever: | yeah when it works:) |
| [07:33:04] | daMaestro: | yeah, well i'll never be so upset that it screwed up on a tv show to the point where i'll turn it off |
| [07:33:45] | daMaestro: | i'd still like to see all my video deinterlaced.. software players just suck at making interlacing work |
| [07:33:47] | clever: | i normaly leave commflag to notify and hit the skip button when it comes up |
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| [07:34:10] | daMaestro: | clever, yeah... i'm not currently using mythfrontent to view content |
| [07:34:20] | clever: | my shows are interlaced on the coax but i dont notice it much with the defaults in myth |
| [07:34:33] | clever: | watching myth on a crt atm(progressive i beleive) |
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| [07:35:38] | daMaestro: | it's still really nice to have an hour long show (with commercials removed) only take up 272M |
| [07:36:20] | clever: | i started out with 1gig/hour(with comercial) |
| [07:36:43] | daMaestro: | yeah, i'm getting 2.2G/hour from my pvr-150 |
| [07:37:08] | clever: | i turned my bitrate down to save space |
| [07:37:20] | clever: | an hour is about 488mb now |
| [07:37:35] | clever: | (1000 bitrate in mpeg4) |
| [07:37:52] | ** Tanthrix laughs at your puny bitrates ** | |
| [07:38:01] | Tanthrix: | I run 2.4 gigs an hour. |
| [07:38:38] | clever: | i dont have much space free atm so im shrinking my files down alot |
| [07:38:48] | Tanthrix: | For some reason I enjoy pointlessly high 4–6mbps bitrates at a pointlessly high resolution of 720x480 |
| [07:39:16] | Tanthrix: | I just delete most everything when I'm finished, so my 120GB usually has 30–40GB free at any given time. |
| [07:40:00] | clever: | i rarely have over 10gig free |
| [07:40:28] | Tanthrix: | You best be getting yourself a new drive. Space is cheap these days, you know ;) |
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| [07:41:21] | clever: | jobless wont cover even cheap things:P |
| [07:41:28] | clever: | and all 4 ide slots are full |
| [07:42:23] | Tanthrix: | Hehe, true enough. |
| [07:43:05] | clever: | i have a 160gig drive in a usb enclosure also |
| [07:43:11] | clever: | but its full and ntfs based atm |
| [07:43:30] | clever: | im working on burning the data off to dvd and freeing it up |
| [07:43:47] | clever: | several multi gig torrents where at 99% and i wanted to finish them before burning |
| [07:44:03] | Tanthrix: | You must learn zen and the art of deletion. |
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| [07:44:53] | clever: | some of these torrents take weeks to finish |
| [07:44:55] | ** Tanthrix pats his completely hypocriful 2.5 terabytes of space on his main system ** | |
| [07:45:10] | clever: | 20mins to find a dvd beats weeks of redownloading |
| [07:45:11] | Tanthrix: | Why delete when you can always buy more drives is my philosophy. |
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| [07:45:20] | clever: | and the tracker may block the torrent in the future making it harder |
| [07:45:33] | clever: | jobless:P |
| [07:45:53] | clever: | myth is using a lvm array of 150gig |
| [07:46:01] | clever: | parts of the 3 drives in the box |
| [07:46:22] | clever: | rest is going towards the root of the install and a few smaller lv's in lvm |
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| [07:50:38] | clever: | once the 160 is empty i can merge it into the lvm array and put it to use with myth |
| [07:50:48] | clever: | i could also have another round of musical chairs with my drives |
| [07:50:54] | clever: | empty xgig on the ntfs and shrink it |
| [07:51:02] | cmoates: | clever, no storage groups? |
| [07:51:02] | clever: | expand a ext2 on the drive and fill |
| [07:51:09] | clever: | empty the ntfs and shrink |
| [07:51:11] | clever: | expand a ext2 on the drive and fill |
| [07:51:23] | clever: | cmoates: they are buggy |
| [07:51:31] | clever: | repeat till all space is ext2 |
| [07:51:41] | clever: | cmoates: often it would record to the group with 5mb free and deadlock the backend |
| [07:51:51] | clever: | when the other had 5gig free |
| [07:52:20] | clever: | better to just merge the 2 into a single fs with 5gig+5mb free |
| [07:52:33] | cmoates: | sure |
| [07:52:36] | cmoates: | I've not experienced that yet |
| [07:52:38] | cmoates: | thankfully |
| [07:53:07] | clever: | it probly thought the other had too much io(based on jobs running on it) and chose not to use it |
| [07:53:13] | clever: | ignoring how much space was free |
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| [07:53:53] | clever: | with lvm i can easily get a massive filesystem in 1 storage group |
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| [07:54:54] | clever: | also awhile ago to move the load of the mysql tables for myth i stuck them on the same lvm filesystem as the recordings |
| [07:55:26] | clever: | then later i shifted to using a 'remote' mysql server(one of the slave be's) on the files(now accessed over nfs) |
| [07:56:04] | clever: | so when the mbe does a mysql query it leaves theP4 and enters laptop then goes back to theP4 via nfs then back to the laptop and back to theP4 as a mysql result |
| [07:56:20] | clever: | bounced back and forth a bit but it works good |
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| [08:39:37] | jhulst: | Any advantage to using 64 bit for mythtv? Any significant performance changes? |
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| [09:00:36] | justinh: | is that dude done pasting his xorg log yet? |
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| [09:19:41] | gbee: | jhulst: probably not significant, maybe the usual 10% boost you'd get from using 64bit for linux |
| [09:20:25] | gbee: | I wouldn't base your purchasing decisions around 32bit vs 64bit (they are still selling 32bit CPUs???) |
| [09:21:06] | jhulst: | gbee: I don't think they are, I'm deciding whether I want to install a 64bit distro or stick with 32 |
| [09:21:43] | gbee: | oh, well if you are using a 64bit CPU then you are wasting it by using a 32bit distro |
| [09:22:49] | jhulst: | gbee: true, I wasn't sure of compativility issues though |
| [09:22:50] | gbee: | there is a reasonable performance increase to be had from using a 64bit distro on a 64bit CPU – don't think it's benchmarked very often, but it's noticable |
| [09:23:22] | gbee: | jhulst: I've been running 64bit distros for a couple of years now, there isn't anything that doesn't work |
| [09:23:35] | jhulst: | even flash in firefox :) |
| [09:23:46] | gbee: | even flash in 64bit firefox |
| [09:24:23] | gbee: | with the latest version of nspluginwrapper you can use 32bit plugins with the 64bit version of firefox |
| [09:24:24] | jhulst: | hmm, it's been a little while since I looked into it, I'll have to look again |
| [09:32:07] | Tanthrix: | I get the feeling that the extremely tiny performance gains are not worth the mysterious compatability troubles that can arise |
| [09:32:52] | Tanthrix: | Especially for something like a myth box, where extra performance past a certain point doesn't mean much. Sure, you may be able to skip .005 seconds faster, but your video won't look prettier ;) |
| [09:34:20] | clever: | if your stuck with a frame grabber like me |
| [09:34:31] | clever: | a 5% boost in performance may let you up your recording bitrate |
| [09:34:37] | clever: | which would result in better video quality |
| [09:35:20] | justinh: | yeah but who willingly uses framegrabbers? |
| [09:35:23] | Tanthrix: | clever: Anyone who has a 64 bit system with a 64 bit distro who is concerned about performance is not all that likely to have a framegrabber ;) |
| [09:35:28] | clever: | . |
| [09:35:36] | clever: | yeah |
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| [09:35:57] | justinh: | my pvr150 is going up for sale on Thursday |
| [09:35:57] | clever: | im only using a frame grabber because i got nothing better(aka nothing else at all) |
| [09:36:34] | clever: | my webcam may have hardware encoding but pointing a cam at the tv isnt going to give very good performance:P |
| [09:38:01] | clever: | ive also got a odd font size problem |
| [09:38:20] | clever: | the date for recordings is showing as 11/2 for recordings from today |
| [09:38:22] | clever: | (the 7 is being cut off) |
| [09:38:45] | clever: | also i often get parts of the number cut off in mythwelcome(noon shows as 2:00) |
| [09:38:54] | justinh: | that's cos you live in the wrong country |
| [09:39:07] | clever: | no ammount of changing the font size affects the recording list |
| [09:39:31] | justinh: | themes need to support the <small> and <big> sizes |
| [09:39:43] | justinh: | if they're not specified as alternatives, only the default will be used |
| [09:39:50] | justinh: | blame whoever made the theme |
| [09:39:53] | clever: | ah |
| [09:39:53] | clever: | im using project greyhem atm |
| [09:40:01] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [09:40:08] | justinh: | oh well, good luck with that |
| [09:40:12] | clever: | lol |
| [09:40:20] | clever: | i could just change theme:P |
| [09:40:25] | clever: | what themes handle it better? |
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| [09:40:49] | clever: | im also getting abnormal colors in this theme |
| [09:41:04] | clever: | the last line in the screen is changing color on its own |
| [09:41:23] | clever: | i think |
| [09:41:36] | clever: | could just be the viewing angle and the frame of the crt |
| [09:41:58] | clever: | theres a single white line at the bottom of the screen |
| [09:42:20] | clever: | and certain viewing angles cover the rb colors in the rgb |
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| [09:43:03] | justinh: | I _might_ one day rejig all the font definitions in the older themes but it's unlikely |
| [09:43:22] | justinh: | it'd be easy for you to fix yourself |
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| [09:43:43] | clever: | what themes would show the day of a recording better? |
| [09:43:48] | justinh: | IIRC all the dates in gayhem a#use the 'info' font |
| [09:44:06] | justinh: | no idea. there are no other themes :P |
| [09:44:23] | clever: | i had blown all font sizes up 10x and allmost nothing in the recording list changed |
| [09:44:49] | clever: | but i think i was only working on the small/med/big font sizes |
| [09:44:51] | justinh: | from the GUI? |
| [09:45:12] | clever: | i forget exactly what option i plaed with |
| [09:45:14] | justinh: | they're only qt font size settings & make FA difference to the theme. they only affect qt widgets |
| [09:45:32] | justinh: | the settings where you fiddle with numbers in mythfrontend – they're for the qt widgets |
| [09:45:41] | justinh: | and those alone |
| [09:45:45] | clever: | ah |
| [09:45:59] | clever: | with the retro theme im actualy able to see the full date now |
| [09:46:00] | clever: | 11/27 |
| [09:46:02] | justinh: | as far as the theme font size is concerned you get the choice of small, default & big |
| [09:46:32] | justinh: | and then small & big only make any difference if they're defined in the theme |
| [09:47:06] | clever: | theres a small/med/big font under qt |
| [09:47:13] | justinh: | that's not it |
| [09:47:24] | clever: | and when trying to keep going i wound up appling |
| [09:47:54] | justinh: | the appearance settings are a damn nightmare |
| [09:48:06] | clever: | dont see the other font size options |
| [09:48:15] | clever: | and the constant restarting just makes things slower:P |
| [09:48:25] | clever: | didnt even change anything that time |
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| [09:52:14] | Tanthrix: | justinh: I was so concerned that you were dead that I just searched my chat logs, unraveling the great mystery of your transformation! |
| [09:52:32] | clever: | justinh: cant find any way to change the 'info' font size |
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| [09:52:51] | clever: | (thru the ui) |
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| [09:54:09] | Tanthrix: | I haven't seen Dagmar for a while either. I wonder if he reinvented himself as well... |
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| [09:56:36] | gbee: | clever: it's there offers a choice of deafult, small & big – but I can't tell you where to find it because it's changed in trunk and I don't remember where it used to be |
| [09:56:47] | justinh: | clever: the plain 'font size' setting on the 1st page of the appearance settings is the only one capable of affecting the theme |
| [09:57:10] | justinh: | but it'll only change anything if the theme has the small & big alternatives defined |
| [09:57:34] | justinh: | clever: also, the font I referred to is defined in ui.xml |
| [09:58:20] | clever: | ahh |
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| [10:00:06] | ** justinh smacks mythtv for recording Alistair McGowan's Big Impression ** | |
| [10:00:57] | justinh: | ahh there's another thing I'd like to sort out. text alignment in menu lists. oh wait has that one been done recently? |
| [10:01:48] | clever: | http://clever.mine.nu:82/paste/artifact1.png |
| [10:02:09] | clever: | look closely at the bottom and right edges of the image |
| [10:02:20] | clever: | youll see random white marks |
| [10:02:58] | clever: | sometimes its a whole solid white line and other times its like in the screenshot above |
| [10:03:49] | clever: | i dont think the theme was made to randomize parts of the image on screen:P |
| [10:03:59] | clever: | and the white line there doesnt realy fit the theme |
| [10:04:20] | clever: | and sometimes its not there at all(normal black edge) |
| [10:06:11] | clever: | justinh: any idea what might cause it? |
| [10:06:25] | justinh: | cause what? |
| [10:07:21] | clever: | the artifact on the edge of that screenshot above |
| [10:07:34] | justinh: | ugh. can't bring myself to even look at that |
| [10:07:38] | clever: | which changes randomly when i cause things to redraw(alt+tab or go thru menus) |
| [10:08:01] | clever: | its only the edge on the bottom and right that you need to look at:P |
| [10:08:18] | justinh: | yeah but look at the abomination in the middle! |
| [10:08:22] | clever: | lol |
| [10:08:37] | justinh: | I saw the artifact. god your systems are quirky |
| [10:09:01] | clever: | i havent noticed it elsewhere |
| [10:09:08] | clever: | this is on the media host |
| [10:09:36] | clever: | 400mhz P2 with about 224mb ram |
| [10:10:04] | justinh: | which part of 'no idea' did you not understand? ;) |
| [10:10:27] | clever: | didnt hear no idea |
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| [10:11:10] | justinh: | oops. I thought it. didn't you get it? :P |
| [10:11:27] | clever: | only see 'no idea' on screen twice(once from each of us) |
| [10:11:46] | clever: | 3 now |
| [10:12:12] | clever: | 32mb 64mb and 128mb (ram sticks in the media box) |
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| [10:25:51] | justinh: | hmm apparently there are some stories going around near here about the nearby particle accelerator |
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| [11:06:35] | gbee: | stories? people disappearing in the night? interdimensional creatures wandering the streets? |
| [11:07:40] | gbee: | a guy named Gordan Freeman arrested by Police after he was found in the grounds wildly swinging a crowbar? |
| [11:07:49] | directhex|work: | gbee, that's what happens when you build a particle accelerator in the shape of a pentagram |
| [11:08:01] | directhex|work: | gbee, yog sothoth is easily pissed off |
| [11:09:03] | DustyBin: | i recorded some TV using mythweb, the stuff it recorded shows up in mythweb but not on mythfrontend? im using myth .20.2 fixes release |
| [11:09:49] | gbee: | :) |
| [11:10:30] | gbee: | DustyBin: you didn't set it to record into a different recording group from the one displayed by default in mythfrontend? |
| [11:10:59] | gbee: | hit M in the watch recordings screen and select "change group filter", then "all programmes" |
| [11:11:00] | DustyBin: | i just viewed 'All Programmes' on myth front end but it doesnt show them |
| [11:11:08] | gbee: | odd |
| [11:11:12] | mzb_d800: | clever: do you mean OSD info fonts? |
| [11:11:34] | DustyBin: | its ok sorry |
| [11:11:40] | DustyBin: | i changed the filter :D |
| [11:12:12] | DustyBin: | i was using 'All programmes' on the side panel |
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| [11:16:13] | justinh: | gbee: the new toy at Cern was originally going to be fired up yesterday- caused a thread on digitalspy's forums. then it turned out that people in and around Daresbury (where Lewis Carrol is from) have reported weird time anomalies. all very fascinating, honest |
| [11:16:19] | kezza491: | Hi |
| [11:17:15] | Dibblah: | Next thing, we're going to find tidal effects from the micro-black hole that's slowly eating the earth from the inside out. |
| [11:17:30] | kezza491: | I have been given a remote with my TV Tuner card the TV card is "TwinhanDTV Mini Ter" which came with a remote that i would like to set up with my MythTV Box just wondering how do i go about doing that? |
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| [11:18:06] | justinh: | kezza491: lirc is what folks usually need to make a remote worky |
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| [11:18:34] | Dibblah: | Oh, yes. Twinhan. That was the make I was going to recommend avoiding to whoever asked yesterday. |
| [11:18:44] | kezza491: | i dont think this is LIRC because its usb and what is LIRC? |
| [11:18:45] | gbee: | justinh: hmm, if true could be very interesting indeed |
| [11:18:56] | Dibblah: | (PCI cards – Not had any experience with the USB stuff) |
| [11:20:05] | gbee: | of course I'm going to maintain a healthy scepticism for now |
| [11:20:51] | kezza491: | because i use my remote and it sends charecter like 1,2,3,4,5.. t,m..... |
| [11:21:29] | justinh: | friend of mine has a twinview pci card. it's shit |
| [11:22:12] | kezza491: | mines a Twinhan |
| [11:24:18] | justinh: | my mind is busy thinking about the Large Hadron Collider still :) |
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| [11:35:13] | kezza491: | Question dose mythttv come with lirc drivers? and if not where do i get them? |
| [11:35:32] | GreyFoxx: | no, lirc comes with lirc drivers |
| [11:35:51] | kezza491: | Ahh k |
| [11:48:58] | justinh: | mythtv doesn't come with any drivers |
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| [12:41:26] | DustyBin: | ive just upgraded my kernel with a security update and it broke video4linux, when i try and compile v4l with 'make' i get this error message : http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2406 |
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| [12:49:00] | mzb_d800: | DustyBin: tried a v4l* list? |
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| [13:07:50] | oobe: | DustyBin what distro are you using and what tuner |
| [13:10:26] | oobe: | hey anyone know an easy way to insert channel icons |
| [13:10:51] | oobe: | i usually do it from mythtv-setup copying and pasting its tedious |
| [13:10:53] | justinh: | see the icon map page in the wiki |
| [13:11:13] | justinh: | if an iconmap for your part of the world exists, use that |
| [13:11:22] | oobe: | cool |
| [13:15:25] | oobe: | looks like i will have to do it manually again |
| [13:16:52] | justinh: | thanks for reminding me my UK config wizard scripts are still festering away |
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| [13:20:29] | Terrortoertchen: | hi all |
| [13:21:19] | oobe: | hi |
| [13:21:37] | mzb_d800: | oobe: phpmyadmin: channels table |
| [13:22:00] | justinh: | or mythweb :) |
| [13:22:00] | oobe: | nice i thought of using phpmyadmin but couldnt fint the table |
| [13:22:12] | oobe: | nah mythweb doesnt have that option |
| [13:22:28] | justinh: | ah I was thinking of xmltvids |
| [13:23:22] | oobe: | yeah i do use it for that |
| [13:24:31] | mzb_d800: | s/channels/channel ;) |
| [13:25:22] | justinh: | oh ffs the web server on my cctv dvr has crashed again |
| [13:25:29] | justinh: | flippin junk |
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| [13:25:58] | MzOzD: | hello |
| [13:27:11] | oobe: | mzb_d800 im looking around did you mean http://localhost/phpmyadmin/s/channels/channel |
| [13:27:29] | justinh: | oobe: no he meant the 'channel' table |
| [13:27:39] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [13:27:41] | MzOzD: | i have a problem tunning my mythtv system. anybody can help ? |
| [13:27:41] | justinh: | he was correcting a typo with s/typo/correct |
| [13:27:58] | oobe: | found it perfect |
| [13:28:02] | mzb_d800: | thanks justinh, yes |
| [13:28:04] | justinh: | MzOzD: just ask :) |
| [13:28:35] | MzOzD: | i have 2 DVB cards |
| [13:28:37] | MzOzD: | Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip |
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| [13:28:46] | MzOzD: | and Philips Semiconductors SAA7146 |
| [13:29:00] | MzOzD: | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 2007-11–26 17:57 adapter0 |
| [13:29:00] | MzOzD: | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 2007-11–26 17:57 adapter1 |
| [13:29:05] | justinh: | ffs I opened port 80 for 30 seconds to log into my cctv & it ended up hung |
| [13:29:09] | MzOzD: | both have entries in /dev/dvb |
| [13:29:25] | justinh: | MzOzD: dvb-s, dvb-c or dvb-t ? |
| [13:29:31] | MzOzD: | dvb-s |
| [13:29:48] | justinh: | have you tested them with szap or kaffeine? |
| [13:30:10] | justinh: | it's always best to make sure the hardware works before trying mythtv itself |
| [13:30:11] | MzOzD: | no. i just instaled dvb-utils |
| [13:30:33] | justinh: | then you probably have szap installed |
| [13:30:38] | MzOzD: | yep i got it. |
| [13:30:45] | MzOzD: | how do i setup the channel file ? |
| [13:31:04] | justinh: | usually by using a program called scan |
| [13:31:34] | justinh: | you run the scan program and point it to a tuning file. there are lots of example tuning files provided for different satellites |
| [13:32:42] | justinh: | on ubuntu they are stored in /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/ |
| [13:33:04] | justinh: | don't know where other distro packages put them |
| [13:33:09] | Terrortoertchen: | MzOzD: dvbscan -p -x 0 Astra-19.2E > channels.conf if i remeber corectly, just change Astra-19.2E with you SAT |
| [13:33:11] | MzOzD: | i have mythbuntu |
| [13:33:12] | MzOzD: | :) |
| [13:33:14] | MzOzD: | so it's ok. |
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| [13:34:00] | MzOzD: | i have two dishes. one pointing at HotBird ( which exists in the example files) and one pointing at hellasat |
| [13:34:30] | justinh: | one thing which is really important when you setup the card in mythtv-setup is to enter the disecq options part and tell it you have a single LNB (if that is the case) |
| [13:35:00] | MzOzD: | i have a single LNB |
| [13:35:03] | justinh: | MzOzD: tuning info for satellites can be found on the lyngsat website |
| [13:35:08] | MzOzD: | but which one ? THe univsersal of the Single ? |
| [13:35:24] | justinh: | if it's a universal type, I'd assume you say that |
| [13:36:49] | MzOzD: | Network Name 'EUTELSAT 13EAST' |
| [13:36:49] | MzOzD: | lol |
| [13:37:28] | MzOzD: | that shouldn't be there. |
| [13:37:55] | justinh: | don't count on it |
| [13:38:13] | MzOzD: | maybe my dish is missaligned ? |
| [13:38:34] | oobe: | does anyone know how to delete tuners that dont exist |
| [13:38:36] | justinh: | see what channels the scan gets you |
| [13:38:54] | justinh: | oobe: the D key in the tuner setup screen usually does it |
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| [13:39:21] | oobe: | you mean in mythtv-setup |
| [13:39:25] | justinh: | aye |
| [13:39:39] | MzOzD: | oobe: however, if you removed the adapters while they were active on mythtv you have to do it manualy via the database. |
| [13:40:09] | oobe: | problem is i changed my hostname and my mythtv went back to defualt and i started setting it up before i relised what happened then i changed my hostname back |
| [13:40:16] | justinh: | if you run mythtv-setup to change tuner stuff while the backend is still running you need a slap |
| [13:40:32] | Terrortoertchen: | heh |
| [13:40:39] | oobe: | now it looks like this |
| [13:40:40] | oobe: | Encoder 2 is local on poo and is not recording. |
| [13:40:40] | oobe: | Encoder 3 is local on poo and is not recording. |
| [13:40:40] | oobe: | Encoder 4 is remote on darkhorse (currently not connected). |
| [13:40:40] | oobe: | Encoder 5 is remote on darkhorse (currently not connected). |
| [13:41:00] | directhex|bsp: | d |
| [13:41:02] | MzOzD: | justinh: i looks i get Eutelsat Channels. |
| [13:41:02] | directhex|bsp: | press d |
| [13:41:08] | justinh: | and now you know mythtv stores all the settings by hostname :D |
| [13:41:08] | MzOzD: | it looks even. |
| [13:41:16] | justinh: | er.. _most_ not all |
| [13:41:44] | justinh: | MzOzD: so, time to re-align the dish. ooo what fun you'll have! |
| [13:42:07] | MzOzD: | justinh: crap. |
| [13:42:34] | ** justinh hands MzOzD a compass ** | |
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| [13:43:52] | MzOzD: | let's check the other one. |
| [13:44:30] | Terrortoertchen: | has anyone else build problems since changeset 14964, i think it has something to do with my binutils and this ticket http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2402 |
| [13:44:44] | MzOzD: | justinh: |
| [13:44:45] | justinh: | and I'm also assuming you haven't done anything silly like connect both LNBs up to both cards ;) |
| [13:44:49] | MzOzD: | cat Hotbird-13.0E |
| [13:44:50] | MzOzD: | # EUTELSAT SkyPlex, Hotbird 13E |
| [13:44:50] | MzOzD: | # freq pol sr fec |
| [13:44:50] | MzOzD: | S 12539000 H 27500000 3/4 |
| [13:45:02] | MzOzD: | that's what it says in the dvb-s file |
| [13:45:16] | justinh: | maybe it's right after all |
| [13:45:25] | MzOzD: | justinh: my setup is like that. |
| [13:45:30] | MzOzD: | Dish -> LNB -> Card 1 |
| [13:45:37] | MzOzD: | Dish2 -> LNB2 -> Card 2 |
| [13:46:36] | justinh: | heh I meant LNB -> card 1 & CARD 2 .. heard of soome silly sods doing that |
| [13:47:31] | anykey_: | what would I need to do to add a monoblock LNB? two LNBs for one card? |
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| [13:47:45] | leprasmurf: | hello all |
| [13:48:06] | Terrortoertchen: | because i got lots of libmyth.0.20.so undefind referenz to blabla, im checking now if a older changset builds correctly to verify |
| [13:48:22] | Terrortoertchen: | hi leprasmurf |
| [13:48:38] | leprasmurf: | got an issue I'm trying to figure out, but google isn't revealing the answer. I want to enable captions on recordings. I am able to do so on my television, but unable to do so on my laptop frontend |
| [13:49:09] | leprasmurf: | Terrortoertchen: morning |
| [13:49:16] | justinh: | leprasmurf: what kind of captions? DVB ? |
| [13:49:44] | leprasmurf: | justinh: I'm not sure, just whatever is captured from the TV |
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| [13:49:55] | jduggan: | heh |
| [13:52:31] | leprasmurf: | is the default DVB? |
| [13:53:28] | justinh: | if you don't know, it's not DVB |
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| [13:54:18] | leprasmurf: | justinh: I don't know, so I guess it's not DVB |
| [13:55:27] | directhex|bsp: | myth doesn't support teletext captions, does it? |
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| [13:56:26] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: I think it does |
| [13:56:39] | justinh: | only if you set up the VBI capture stuff up in mythtv-setup though |
| [13:57:18] | MzOzD: | lol |
| [13:57:19] | leprasmurf: | justinh: if I'm able to view captions via a standard television, is mythtv-setup configured properly? |
| [13:57:20] | MzOzD: | it worked. |
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| [13:58:06] | MzOzD: | and now that i can see the channels from scan |
| [13:58:13] | MzOzD: | i can go and setup the myththv with the same values ? |
| [13:58:28] | justinh: | without knowing more details it's impossible to say, leprasmurf |
| [13:58:47] | leprasmurf: | what details should I look for? |
| [13:59:44] | Terrortoertchen: | MzOzD: yes, or you can use a channel.conf and import it within mythtv |
| [13:59:56] | directhex|bsp: | a vague clue about the type of captions you use would hel |
| [13:59:57] | justinh: | don't import channels.conf files |
| [13:59:58] | directhex|bsp: | p |
| [14:00:10] | Terrortoertchen: | justinh: why not? |
| [14:00:22] | directhex|bsp: | CC ni yankland, teletext on ye olde analogue televionse, dvb on real digital tv |
| [14:00:27] | justinh: | because they can mixx vital information mythtv needs for EIT data to work |
| [14:00:32] | directhex|bsp: | Terrortoertchen, it misses most of the required data |
| [14:00:35] | justinh: | s/mixx/miss |
| [14:00:56] | Terrortoertchen: | ah ok, something new learnd :) |
| [14:01:01] | justinh: | there was a fix for that backported to -fixes but that might not have made it into the packages you've got |
| [14:01:27] | justinh: | and besides, scanning _should_ work in mythtv-setup. if it doesn't, report it as a bug |
| [14:03:18] | justinh: | if problems aren't reported, they can't be fixed ;) |
| [14:03:21] | Terrortoertchen: | atm i have this damn libmyth.0.20.so undefind referenz blabla binutils --as-needed thing again |
| [14:04:27] | Terrortoertchen: | i opened a ticket for this a while ago, wich was closed as dup because i was to dump to find the other one |
| [14:04:31] | justinh: | Terrortoertchen: mixed packages with your own compiled stuff eh? or mixed package versions? or maybe you had an incorrect prefix when you compiled it.. or.. maybe the path isn't in ld.so.conf |
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| [14:05:01] | MzOzD: | can i have more than one entries in a dvb-s file ? |
| [14:05:14] | directhex|bsp: | that doesn't make sense |
| [14:05:21] | directhex|bsp: | try rephrasing the question |
| [14:05:28] | MzOzD: | sure. |
| [14:05:41] | MzOzD: | give two frequencies from the same sat |
| [14:06:01] | justinh: | don't think so |
| [14:06:13] | Terrortoertchen: | nothing of this justin, i compile everything from source since im on mythtv... |
| [14:06:23] | directhex|bsp: | using a tone switch or somesuch? |
| [14:06:42] | justinh: | Terrortoertchen: could be an incorrect path in ld.so.conf – or a missing path |
| [14:07:18] | Terrortoertchen: | the problem is, that since the changes from nigel my binutils do lame things. see this ticket http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2402 |
| [14:07:32] | justinh: | usually when people compile myth themselves they use /usr/local as the prefix and that needs to be reflected in /etc/ld.so.conf |
| [14:08:11] | Terrortoertchen: | i don't compile mythtv for the first time, just updated to the latest trunk yesterday |
| [14:08:58] | Terrortoertchen: | bevor everything went right, so i think the changes from nigel rotated the orders in wich the libs are build |
| [14:09:27] | Terrortoertchen: | and this leads to the problem in the ticket, and it seems only with recent binutils versions |
| [14:09:48] | justinh: | heh. I'll STFU now then |
| [14:10:47] | Terrortoertchen: | ok, it's definitly the last change from nigel, r14960 builds correct |
| [14:12:16] | mzb_d800: | Terrortoertchen #mythv ? |
| [14:12:17] | Terrortoertchen: | with a slightly modified patch from the ticket, but with r14964 it is broken, at least for me... so has anyone a point in the right direction |
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| [14:15:09] | justinh: | if it was me I'd just put it on the ticket but that's just me |
| [14:16:11] | Terrortoertchen: | hmm, justin: should i post it to the dev channel ?? |
| [14:16:37] | justinh: | might not be any point if nigel doesn't sit inthere. and I don't think he does |
| [14:17:01] | Terrortoertchen: | your point :) |
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| [14:32:09] | gbee: | generally it's better to open a ticket than to ask in the dev channel, you'll probably be told to do that anyway because a ticket won't get forgotten unlike an informal notification to a dev |
| [14:34:44] | Terrortoertchen: | your point :) |
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| [14:34:50] | Terrortoertchen: | ups |
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| [14:38:19] | fryfrog: | Anyone using comcast and gotten an HD *tuner* recently? |
| [14:39:08] | justinh: | is gotten a real word? |
| [14:39:40] | fryfrog: | is this an english grammer channel? :) |
| [14:39:48] | justinh: | heh |
| [14:40:45] | fryfrog: | the credit card is 100% paid off, thinking about turning on cable tv again :) |
| [14:41:00] | fryfrog: | this time, try to get a pair of HD tuners instead of their stupid HD DVRs |
| [14:42:39] | justinh: | YMMV with that one. I'm guessing you're aiming to find somebody who can tell you what (if any) channels you can hope to get from the cable in QAM |
| [14:43:25] | fryfrog: | justinh ~~ justi? |
| [14:43:29] | fryfrog: | justki? |
| [14:43:35] | fryfrog: | close to that :) |
| [14:44:01] | justinh: | nah that bloke is dead |
| [14:44:09] | fryfrog: | What I'm hoping to find is what model of HD Tuner they are deploying so that I can see what sort of support myth has |
| [14:44:22] | fryfrog: | I've had their HD DVRs of DCT6412s and they were flakey |
| [14:44:28] | justinh: | ah |
| [14:44:34] | leprasmurf: | ok, so I'm in mythtv-setup, where would I find the settings for closed captions? |
| [14:44:50] | fryfrog: | my parents got a new moto box, like ... DCT 6316 or some shit, it looks nice... but don't see anything in source indicating any support |
| [14:44:54] | justinh: | there's been a lot of mailinglist traffic about firewire code changes for those boxes fryfrog |
| [14:45:05] | fryfrog: | thanks, i'll take a look |
| [14:45:08] | fryfrog: | devel or user? |
| [14:45:15] | justinh: | fryfrog: both, I think |
| [14:45:34] | fryfrog: | now i need to remember exactly what dvr model my parents have :/ |
| [14:45:37] | justinh: | leprasmurf: well, here's a hint: captions in analogue TV are sent as VBI data |
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| [14:46:15] | fryfrog: | DCH-3416 it was actually |
| [14:46:40] | leprasmurf: | justinh: ok, I see a "VBI format:" section, but the only options are PAL and NTSC |
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| [14:46:58] | fryfrog: | i think when you are watching something, you just turn CC on? |
| [14:47:10] | fryfrog: | like, press "M" key and go down to it? |
| [14:47:13] | justinh: | there's an option to set the device for VBI capture too IIRC |
| [14:47:26] | fryfrog: | ah, so you have to configure device to capture vbi |
| [14:47:29] | justinh: | you can use T to turn on closed captions if they're present |
| [14:47:31] | fryfrog: | i imagine that would be in mythtv-setup? |
| [14:47:47] | leprasmurf: | fryfrog: that's how it appears on my analog tv, but I'm on my laptop frontend and the option doesn't appear |
| [14:49:58] | leprasmurf: | so I guess my card is just capturing the VBI information and my analog tv is able to parse them? Can I get my laptop to do the same? |
| [14:51:08] | fryfrog: | sorry, i don't know anything about cc and i'm not really sure what you are asking :/ |
| [14:52:52] | leprasmurf: | fryfrog: I have two front-ends, a laptop and a television. when I play a recording on the television, I'm able to display the cc's (though I'm beginning to wonder if it is myth or the tv), I'd like the same functionality on my laptop |
| [14:54:30] | fryfrog: | so when you do the same thing on the laptop, it doesn't display them? |
| [14:54:36] | leprasmurf: | correct |
| [14:54:54] | fryfrog: | could it simply be a neglected setting somewhere on the front end? |
| [14:55:06] | justinh: | leprasmurf: the TV on its own isn't a frontend. do you mean a PC connected to the TV? |
| [14:55:22] | leprasmurf: | justinh: yes, sorry was figuring it was implied |
| [14:55:43] | leprasmurf: | fryfrog: perfectly plausible I assume |
| [14:55:48] | justinh: | it wasn't. I thought you were talking about a television set working from the analogue feed by itself |
| [14:56:08] | justinh: | if CC works on one frontend it should just work on the others |
| [14:56:17] | leprasmurf: | justinh: my mistake, yes it's a pc connected to the tv |
| [14:56:29] | dr_lulz: | leprasmurf: is it the same mythtv version? |
| [14:57:00] | leprasmurf: | dr_lulz: no, the one connected to the tv is knoppmyth, and the one on my laptop is mythbuntu |
| [14:57:18] | justinh: | uhoh |
| [14:57:23] | fryfrog: | i could see how a setting would be different :) |
| [14:57:27] | fryfrog: | what is your server? |
| [14:57:42] | leprasmurf: | knoppmyth is the master backend |
| [14:58:25] | fryfrog: | well, if you like some down and dirty db work... |
| [14:58:33] | fryfrog: | you could compare your two front end settings stored in the db |
| [14:58:42] | fryfrog: | maybe search for "vbi" or something and see what turns up |
| [14:58:53] | leprasmurf: | or just do a mysql dump and then diff 'em |
| [14:59:17] | fryfrog: | you are using the same be for both, right? |
| [14:59:24] | fryfrog: | so you only have one db |
| [14:59:31] | justinh: | dont think there's a setting to enable & disable CC |
| [14:59:36] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [14:59:59] | justinh: | there's a setting to always show them if they're available |
| [15:00:11] | justinh: | but not to disable viewing them altogether |
| [15:00:45] | justinh: | that setting (to always show CC if available) is in utils/seutp > setup > tv > playback |
| [15:01:11] | leprasmurf: | checking for that |
| [15:01:23] | leprasmurf: | got it |
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| [15:04:17] | tzanger: | ugh this is the second time that mysql has puked all over my mythtv backend |
| [15:04:31] | tzanger: | 2007-11–27 10:04:23.153 Told to create a NEW database schema, but the database |
| [15:04:34] | tzanger: | already has 76 tables. |
| [15:04:40] | tzanger: | it all starts out with a dupe record or something |
| [15:04:53] | tzanger: | then myisamchk -r or -o says it fixes it, then it bows up |
| [15:06:15] | tzanger: | why is it being told to create a new database schema though |
| [15:06:17] | tzanger: | that is the question |
| [15:06:24] | godzirra: | Anyone here use mythweb? Someone told me I could stream it with a setting that changed the myth:// link to an http:// link somehow. Anyone know how? |
| [15:06:37] | justinh: | did you upgrade mythtv tzanger? did you restore an old db backup? |
| [15:06:47] | tzanger: | aha that's why |
| [15:06:49] | justinh: | godzirra: check the wiki |
| [15:06:50] | tzanger: | no I didn't upgrade a thing |
| [15:06:52] | dr_lulz: | godzirra: yeah |
| [15:07:08] | tzanger: | but myisamchk seems to have blown away the DBSchemaVer |
| [15:08:05] | tzanger: | settings table seems screwed |
| [15:08:19] | tzanger: | -r and -o both say they fix it, but it still shows as damaged with the mysql cli |
| [15:08:30] | dr_lulz: | godzirra: mythweb/settings/tv/Use myth:// URI for Windows: |
| [15:09:17] | justinh: | godzirra: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Play_Rec . . . From_Mythweb might help |
| [15:09:45] | godzirra: | dr_lulz: yeah, thats the problem. If I go to /settings/tv (I dont have a /mythweb in front) it goes to the index page for settings. |
| [15:09:56] | godzirra: | justinh: thanks... I was looking for mythweb and streaming and it wasnt coming up with much. |
| [15:10:13] | godzirra: | justinh: heh.. thats probably not going to help. Did you look at that link? :) |
| [15:10:26] | dr_lulz: | godzirra: thats no url, its a guide through the menu structure ;) |
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| [15:10:49] | godzirra: | dr_lulz: Oh. I'm a dumbass. Sorry. |
| [15:10:49] | justinh: | godzirra: I was trying to copy it manually :P |
| [15:10:54] | godzirra: | justinh: ;) |
| [15:10:58] | dr_lulz: | godzirra: i am running a version close to svn, maybe its a new feature?! |
| [15:11:07] | justinh: | so search the wiki for 'mythweb windows' |
| [15:11:12] | justinh: | 1st hit |
| [15:11:19] | godzirra: | dr_lulz: My svn was about 6–7 days ago? |
| [15:11:20] | godzirra: | maybe? |
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| [15:12:04] | dr_lulz: | godzirra: mine's older |
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| [15:12:16] | tzanger: | interesting |
| [15:12:19] | godzirra: | dr_lulz: I dont really have a tv section under my settings. If I go to my main page I have a tv option, but if I click on the settings icon at the top I don't. |
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| [15:12:26] | tzanger: | myisamchk couldn't do it, but repair table settings in the mysql shell worked |
| [15:12:32] | tzanger: | what a fucked up database |
| [15:12:56] | dr_lulz: | godzirra: click on keys icon on te top |
| [15:13:09] | dr_lulz: | then on the left there should be some menu items: database, mytthv, mythweb etc – click tv there |
| [15:13:22] | dr_lulz: | url /settings/tv |
| [15:13:29] | dr_lulz: | "my session" tab |
| [15:13:32] | dr_lulz: | 3rd from top |
| [15:14:13] | godzirra: | I click on keys, and when I click on tv, it gives me the guide. |
| [15:14:21] | godzirra: | if I just mouse over tv to get the other menu, i don't have a my session tab. |
| [15:14:24] | godzirra: | err, link. |
| [15:14:44] | dr_lulz: | oO |
| [15:14:49] | godzirra: | When I click on the keys it goes to my settings index page. |
| [15:14:57] | godzirra: | I have a mythweb sessions settings there |
| [15:15:12] | godzirra: | but as far as I can see, nothing about myth:// |
| [15:15:13] | dr_lulz: | there should be a column on the elft |
| [15:15:15] | dr_lulz: | with links |
| [15:15:22] | dr_lulz: | of different settings |
| [15:15:23] | godzirra: | There's not. ;) |
| [15:15:25] | godzirra: | oh |
| [15:15:29] | godzirra: | ther eis if I go to my main page. |
| [15:15:33] | godzirra: | but I dont have a sessions setting under tv |
| [15:16:16] | godzirra: | look at http://test.jomamma.com/Screenshot-1.png |
| [15:16:37] | tzanger: | test.jomama, hahahaha |
| [15:16:46] | godzirra: | :) |
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| [15:18:08] | dr_lulz: | http://lulzmeister.de/dump/mythweb.png |
| [15:18:08] | kezza491: | Any one have a good link i can read about using "TwinhanDTV Mini Ter" setting up Lirc to work with the remote |
| [15:18:27] | dr_lulz: | godzirra: see that screenshot. top red circle is where you should click to open the settings |
| [15:18:33] | doc_: | Hey guys — just wondering.. any of you using MythTV to capture HD DirectTV? I've been a long-time user of NTSC/DirectTV (via Svideo).. but looking at upgrading to HD... |
| [15:18:33] | dr_lulz: | then on the left, "TV" |
| [15:18:55] | godzirra: | Yeah, I dont have that. |
| [15:19:14] | dr_lulz: | what dont you have? |
| [15:19:15] | dr_lulz: | that icon? |
| [15:19:26] | dr_lulz: | just below the "encryping with..." tab |
| [15:19:37] | godzirra: | dr_lulz: When I click on the keys icon I get the following: http://test.jomamma.com/Screenshot-2.png |
| [15:19:51] | dr_lulz: | oO |
| [15:20:11] | dr_lulz: | maybe my version ist oo old? idk |
| [15:20:39] | dr_lulz: | have you looked at all the links? |
| [15:20:56] | godzirra: | Yeah. |
| [15:20:58] | godzirra: | nothing at all like that. |
| [15:21:04] | dr_lulz: | no clue then, sorry |
| [15:21:06] | godzirra: | and as far as I can see, nothing about windows. |
| [15:21:12] | godzirra: | What version do you have, and how can I get it? :) |
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| [15:22:27] | dr_lulz: | i think its revision 14915 |
| [15:22:52] | dr_lulz: | unless i svn up'd the plugins without updating the actual installation |
| [15:23:13] | dr_lulz: | URL: http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythplugins/mythweb |
| [15:23:25] | dr_lulz: | hrmz |
| [15:23:27] | dr_lulz: | i should go now |
| [15:23:38] | dr_lulz: | need to be at work in 7 minuts, and i need about 10–15 to get there |
| [15:23:51] | dr_lulz: | but my boss aint there yet *g* |
| [15:23:59] | Terrortoertchen: | :) |
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| [15:24:30] | dr_lulz: | Terrortoertchen: have you turned off autoaway yet? |
| [15:24:36] | doc_: | none of you guys doing HD with MythTV and DirecTV? :( |
| [15:25:10] | justinh: | doc_: no way no way jose |
| [15:25:38] | godzirra: | Heh. later dr. |
| [15:25:52] | godzirra: | doc_: not I. |
| [15:26:11] | doc_: | :( |
| [15:26:24] | doc_: | seems like everyone I've talked to so far, are doing straight up ATSC decoding via RF... |
| [15:26:35] | justinh: | since there's no legal way to do it I doubt anybody will talk about it in here anyway |
| [15:27:01] | doc_: | Why would it be illegal? There are plenty of HD-DVR's for DirecTV |
| [15:27:18] | doc_: | all we need is a card that has either component input or HDMI |
| [15:27:20] | justinh: | yeah and they all pay directv their dues |
| [15:27:28] | justinh: | and there'll be no component or hdmi input card |
| [15:27:38] | doc_: | I'm not talking about stealing anything ... I'm a paying DTV customer, I don't intend to change that. |
| [15:27:53] | doc_: | I was merely looking to upgrade my DTV receivers to HD receivers... |
| [15:27:56] | doc_: | how is that illegal? |
| [15:28:05] | justinh: | don't even start to think about that hdmi capture card – it won't speak HDCP. and besides, HDTV MJPEG is gonna EAT HDD space like nothing else in the world |
| [15:28:24] | doc_: | HD's are cheap.. big deal :) |
| [15:28:47] | doc_: | I planned to get 2 or 3 1TB drives (which newegg has for $150 right now) and RAID-0' them |
| [15:28:50] | justinh: | doc_: directv is encrypted. manufacturers need to licence their gear. everything has to be approved |
| [15:29:01] | doc_: | Dude, you misunderstand. |
| [15:29:06] | doc_: | I'm not talking about capturing the signal |
| [15:29:27] | doc_: | Im talking about simple video-grab, the same exact method thats used by everyone who has directtv, mythtv, and IVTV cards today |
| [15:29:28] | justinh: | you're talking about capturing the box output them |
| [15:29:33] | justinh: | you can't |
| [15:29:47] | justinh: | and you won't be able to. _they_ won't let you |
| [15:30:08] | doc_: | I don't get that at all... its not any different than what eveyrone is doing now with NTSC ? |
| [15:30:22] | doc_: | direcTV receivers ---> SVIDEO cable --> IVTV card |
| [15:30:35] | justinh: | yeah but when it's digital they can do all they can to stop you |
| [15:30:36] | doc_: | HD DirectTV receivers ---> COmponent video ---> IVTV-like card that has HD |
| [15:30:45] | doc_: | thats the part I think you misunderstand |
| [15:30:57] | godzirra: | Hrm, since updating to dr_lulz's version, I get this error: Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=36, backend=31) |
| [15:31:02] | godzirra: | when I go to the mythweb on my server. |
| [15:31:04] | doc_: | theres a digital to analog, then analog back to digital conversion process going on here |
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| [15:31:30] | doc_: | godzirra: your backend is older :( |
| [15:32:05] | justinh: | doc_: trouble is, there's no such card for HD and there's very unlikely to ever be |
| [15:32:30] | godzirra: | doc_: So I have to update my backedn if I want to run that version of mythweb? |
| [15:33:13] | doc_: | justin: yeah, I guess thats the part I don't understand. |
| [15:33:16] | doc_: | So what are you guys doing with HD? |
| [15:33:33] | doc_: | throwing an HD antenna on top of your house and just snagging broadcast ATSC? |
| [15:33:37] | ** justinh isn't doing anything with HD. not worth it ** | |
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| [15:34:01] | doc_: | yeah, I've been putting it off too |
| [15:34:14] | doc_: | my mythtv system runs 6 TV sets in the house |
| [15:34:26] | doc_: | two of them now are at least 720p capable though, so I'm just looking into whats involved |
| [15:34:30] | doc_: | and so far, it doesnt seem worth it yet :( |
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| [15:35:08] | doc_: | godzirra: ideally, you want your backend and all clients to be on the same revision of mythtv.... mythweb behaves as a client, so it also needs to be on the same revision. |
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| [15:35:52] | gbee: | decided I'm going to throw a DVB-S card into my backend so I can play with BBC HD, I don't have a HDTV or even a monitor capable of 1920x1080 but downscaled it still looks good |
| [15:35:54] | justinh: | doc_: there aren't any affordable capture cards that'll do component and work in linux. any that do exist at all are all very specialised. to be practical they'd have to encode to mpeg in hardware |
| [15:36:12] | justinh: | *any that do exist for other OSs |
| [15:36:13] | godzirra: | doc_: well crud. |
| [15:36:25] | godzirra: | I'll figure out what I need to checkout for mythtv then I suppose and i'll ercompile it |
| [15:36:29] | doc_: | justin: yeah, I guess I'm just surprised that there's no solution for exactly that yet. |
| [15:36:39] | gbee: | and I haven't got any hardware capable of playing back H.264, but it transcodes to mpeg4 in decent quality |
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| [15:37:28] | doc_: | godzirra: mythtv server and clients speak a 'language'.. that language has to be the same version, otherwise they can't speak. In order to provide more features/etc, sometimes that language has to change.. thats why there are different versions on occasion. |
| [15:37:50] | doc_: | Thats exactly why I choose to run a linux-distro that WELL supports mythtv, and is easily upgradable. |
| [15:38:10] | doc_: | when my server is being upgraded, I need that to happen fast.. because |
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| [15:38:49] | doc_: | it runs EVERYTHING in my house... security system and cameras, phones, email, dvd rip share, mythtv, etc.. so the wife and kids are pissed when I take it dow |
| [15:38:57] | doc_: | I have to schedule a maint window if the upgrade is involved ;-) |
| [15:39:16] | godzirra: | lol |
| [15:39:28] | jheizer: | lmao |
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| [15:44:30] | GreyFoxx: | doc_: I know that feelinhg |
| [15:44:44] | GreyFoxx: | I have a regular saturday maintenance window |
| [15:45:06] | GreyFoxx: | otherwise I get "in trouble" (which is often :) ) |
| [15:45:20] | doc_: | hehe |
| [15:45:27] | doc_: | I used to get in trouble a lot when ivtv was unstable :( |
| [15:46:18] | GreyFoxx: | I tend to use the hour or so before I go to work as trouble shooting, saturday morning as upgrades. Otherwise no changes except for emergencies |
| [15:46:58] | jheizer: | yeah, I pretty much leave my backend alone |
| [15:47:13] | jheizer: | but messing with moving my sbe/frontend to a flash drive |
| [15:47:33] | jheizer: | but is nice when things suck, I just plug the HD back in and walk away with everything working again |
| [15:48:55] | jheizer: | just found this out though. SD to IDE and 150x SD card installed |
| [15:49:00] | doc_: | my box is so busy |
| [15:49:05] | jheizer: | Timing cached reads: 718 MB in 2.00 seconds = 358.66 MB/sec |
| [15:49:05] | jheizer: | Timing buffered disk reads: 10 MB in 31.24 seconds = 327.74 kB/sec |
| [15:49:08] | doc_: | it also runs a QEMU-KVM slice for WindowsXP stuff |
| [15:49:14] | bsdfox_: | [38582.399912] ivtv1: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data. |
| [15:49:15] | bsdfox_: | [38582.399919] ivtv1: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough. |
| [15:49:21] | doc_: | and has a 7 terabyte file share :) (mp3s, videos, dvds etc) |
| [15:49:38] | jheizer: | horribly slow reads...... |
| [15:50:16] | doc_: | jheizer: thats bad.... what chipset is that drive hooked to ? |
| [15:50:34] | doc_: | I get those messages all the time though because I only have one mythtv drive |
| [15:50:56] | doc_: | and it becomes IOBOUND on occasion when mythcommflag is running along side with serving a few TV's at the same time while also 2 or 3 encoders are recording |
| [15:51:06] | bsdfox_: | anyone know what that means and if there is a fix? |
| [15:51:13] | doc_: | the 'next generation' of my server will have a raid-0 with some raptors :) |
| [15:51:20] | jheizer: | doc_: older nforce2 running athlon xp |
| [15:51:36] | doc_: | jheizer: what kernel? |
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| [15:52:07] | jheizer: | POS 4.6GB drive in there now can at least pull off Timing buffered disk reads: 62 MB in 3.08 seconds = 20.15 MB/sec |
| [15:52:15] | jheizer: | 2.6.18 |
| [15:52:54] | doc_: | you changed drives and get better performance ? |
| [15:53:03] | doc_: | you should have far better performance under 2.6.x with nforce2 |
| [15:53:19] | doc_: | something is fishy at the hardware level, I'd suspect... |
| [15:53:42] | jheizer: | basic knoppmyth r5f27 install |
| [15:53:58] | jheizer: | switched to the current HD vs the SD card |
| [15:54:01] | doc_: | I'd try a different drive |
| [15:54:37] | jheizer: | yeah, if it still sucks once I get it all working I will |
| [15:54:47] | jheizer: | having issues getting lilo to fire off |
| [15:55:09] | doc_: | havent used lilo in forever heh |
| [15:55:11] | jheizer: | end up with L 01 01 01 01 ...... instead of the usual LILO Linux......... |
| [15:55:23] | fryfrog: | doc_: raid0 for the lose :/ |
| [15:55:33] | justinh: | that's not good jheizer |
| [15:55:38] | jheizer: | yeah, not a big fan of it personally, but just lef tit since it was the default |
| [15:55:50] | doc_: | fryfrog: how come? |
| [15:56:19] | doc_: | jheizer: strange.. sounds like some kinda weird bios problem |
| [15:56:19] | jheizer: | well, anothe rissue is when I mount the SD card drive and then try to chroot into it, I get s seg fault |
| [15:56:28] | jheizer: | so I have other issues also I think |
| [15:56:36] | fryfrog: | doc_: when one drive fails or has an issue, you'll lose *all* your data. |
| [15:56:40] | doc_: | well, thats probably because you have differeing libc's or something on the new root... thats not surprising :) |
| [15:56:54] | doc_: | fryfrog: sure, I realize that... |
| [15:56:56] | fryfrog: | doc_: for my "server" i have 2x 80G raid1 for system and (currently) 8x 320G for /data in raid5 |
| [15:56:58] | doc_: | a risk I'm willing to take :) |
| [15:56:59] | jheizer: | direct copy over from the other drive |
| [15:57:26] | jheizer: | works: cd /sd/bin; ./bash doesn't work: /sd/bin/bash |
| [15:57:31] | doc_: | I don't consider mythtv recordings 'sacred' .. I need performance with low cpu cost instead |
| [15:57:33] | jheizer: | one dies, other runs bash just fine |
| [15:57:38] | fryfrog: | of course, then you also realize that you increase the chance of total data loss by 1x for each drive added? |
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| [15:58:01] | fryfrog: | doc_: i think you may need to do some math and tweaking of your system |
| [15:58:14] | doc_: | my server has 2 200's in RAID-1 (/home), 3 200's for RAID-0 (/tmp), and 1 250 for mythtv (I need to upgrade this big time) |
| [15:58:16] | fryfrog: | even HD streams of data shouldn't have much hard drive contraints |
| [15:58:34] | justinh: | 18mbits/sec caused too much load? hahahaha |
| [15:58:42] | doc_: | fryfrog: I agree, but I've watched iostat -dmx 1 a LOT |
| [15:58:45] | jheizer: | going to try dropping on gentoo today and see if it will at least boot |
| [15:58:49] | doc_: | and the drive becomes up to 100% utilized ;( |
| [15:59:00] | doc_: | I've also increased ivtv buffers.. |
| [15:59:08] | fryfrog: | you are only talking *SD*? |
| [15:59:27] | fryfrog: | something is fundamentally wrong with your system, i'm afraid |
| [15:59:41] | doc_: | well, svideo NTSC and 3 PVR-250's |
| [15:59:55] | fryfrog: | i've recorded 4x SD streams at the same time to an old ass 80G drive, no problem |
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| [16:00:24] | fryfrog: | and also the same done over 100mbit network to an NFS share, SD uses *trivial* amounts of bandwidth (both disk and network). |
| [16:00:34] | justinh: | 4 streams of mpeg2 SDTV to a battered old 500GB disk works great here |
| [16:00:52] | GreyFoxx: | doc_: try this zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_HZ= |
| [16:00:54] | fryfrog: | also, instead of raid0 for myth, you might consider the recording groups option. lets you tell your system to record to two places (ie, two mount points) |
| [16:00:56] | GreyFoxx: | what does it return ? |
| [16:01:01] | fryfrog: | what is HZ? |
| [16:01:09] | GreyFoxx: | Hertz |
| [16:01:12] | justinh: | 4 streams were recorded, 1 in playback over the network :) |
| [16:01:22] | justinh: | and that's on a Via board |
| [16:01:28] | doc_: | I have no /proc/config.gz heh |
| [16:01:34] | fryfrog: | yeah, me either :( |
| [16:01:39] | fryfrog: | doc_: try in /boot |
| [16:01:45] | doc_: | ah |
| [16:01:46] | fryfrog: | there is a copy of the config there on my ubuntu box |
| [16:01:49] | GreyFoxx: | ok. most kernels have that compiled in these days |
| [16:01:55] | doc_: | # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set |
| [16:01:55] | doc_: | # CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set |
| [16:01:55] | doc_: | # CONFIG_HZ_300 is not set |
| [16:01:55] | doc_: | CONFIG_HZ_1000=y |
| [16:01:55] | doc_: | CONFIG_HZ=1000 |
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| [16:02:04] | GreyFoxx: | ok, 1000 is what I have as well |
| [16:02:11] | fryfrog: | CONFIG_HZ=250 |
| [16:02:22] | GreyFoxx: | when I had it as the default 250 I got lots of IVTV drops and it affected the video |
| [16:02:26] | doc_: | mind, you, I don't get the dreaded "All encoder VBI stream buffers are full. Dropping data." message OFTEN.... |
| [16:02:31] | kieran491: | Lirc how do you set it up to take controll of a device like /dev/input/event2 |
| [16:02:31] | GreyFoxx: | moving up to 100 fixed it |
| [16:02:36] | GreyFoxx: | err 1000 |
| [16:02:38] | fryfrog: | 100 or... |
| [16:02:39] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [16:02:52] | fryfrog: | i wonder why my ubuntu system is only 250, you'd think 7.10 would be using 1000 |
| [16:02:54] | doc_: | but.. if all three of my PVR's are recording.. and a couple of mythcommflag processes are running, and 2 or 3 TV's in the house also watching something on playback.... |
| [16:03:01] | MzOzD: | for systems with more than once capture interface, are all the channels available (from both cards) in mythtv WatchTV |
| [16:03:02] | doc_: | thats when I get those messages (but not many) |
| [16:03:15] | GreyFoxx: | doc_: That's the kind of load my boxes see |
| [16:03:15] | justinh: | MzOzD: depends how many are in use at the time |
| [16:03:37] | justinh: | a tuner being used to record a show (or watch live tv on another frontend) can't be used for something else |
| [16:03:49] | doc_: | GreyFoxx: I wonder if this is some kinda performance issue with the jMicro driver then... because that particular hard drive is the only one controlled by that port on my motherboard. |
| [16:03:57] | fryfrog: | doc_: have you tried putting "nice -n -19" in front of your commflagg command? |
| [16:04:07] | MzOzD: | justinh: let's say that i have 100 channels scanned on 1st adapter and 100 on second. |
| [16:04:15] | MzOzD: | how can i select the source i want to watch ? |
| [16:04:25] | fryfrog: | press Y key? |
| [16:04:26] | justinh: | MzOzD: all will be available to all frontends if they're not being used elsewhere |
| [16:04:28] | kieran491: | *lircd |
| [16:04:34] | justinh: | rtfm key :) |
| [16:04:40] | fryfrog: | MzOzD: are you saying 100 on one card and 100 *different* ones on the other? |
| [16:04:45] | fryfrog: | or each has the same 100 channels? |
| [16:04:48] | doc_: | fryfrog: yep.. well, I nice them to 10... and mythtv itself is -10 |
| [16:04:55] | doc_: | fryfrog: again, its NOT cpu-bound.. its IOBOUND.. |
| [16:04:56] | MzOzD: | justinh:yes. |
| [16:04:59] | doc_: | my cpu is very low usage |
| [16:05:02] | doc_: | my cpu is very fast too :) |
| [16:05:03] | fryfrog: | doc_: try ionice then? |
| [16:05:23] | doc_: | Nope, actually.. but that's a good idea |
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| [16:06:21] | fryfrog: | also... in Ubuntu, any idea if the "generic" vs. "i386" kernel versions are ... more appropriate for any situation? |
| [16:08:55] | fryfrog: | ah, seems like "-generic" is the one to go with |
| [16:09:27] | doc_: | beats me.. I dont use ubuntu |
| [16:09:30] | doc_: | not sure what the differences are.. |
| [16:09:47] | fryfrog: | looks like 386 might not be SMP |
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| [16:13:44] | fryfrog: | looks like ubuntu also has a -rt kernel :/ |
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| [16:14:40] | doc_: | you using ubuntu server? |
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| [16:15:38] | kieran491: | is lircd the devils word? |
| [16:15:51] | GreyFoxx: | to some people it is :) |
| [16:15:51] | cmoates: | oh my yes |
| [16:15:59] | GreyFoxx: | I avoided it for years |
| [16:16:07] | cmoates: | I understand IR formats really well and I still dislike it ;) |
| [16:16:13] | kieran491: | Ehee i thought it was :) |
| [16:16:15] | GreyFoxx: | but it's worked perfectly for me since I placed my remotes with lirc supported stuff |
| [16:16:31] | justinh: | lirc isn't nice, but it's not evil |
| [16:17:24] | kieran491: | is it intergrated into mandriva? |
| [16:17:56] | justinh: | I doubt it |
| [16:18:04] | kieran491: | hmm ok |
| [16:18:12] | fryfrog: | doc_: nah, just a regular old install of ubuntu |
| [16:18:15] | doc_: | people use mandriva? :) |
| [16:18:21] | justinh: | knoppmyth, mythdora & mythbuntu maybe |
| [16:18:31] | fryfrog: | i started to use ubuntu server, but i needed to install so much crap it was easier to start with plain ol' ubuntu :) |
| [16:18:37] | justinh: | doc_: well, it looks more like windows than anything else :P |
| [16:18:56] | doc_: | fryfrog: just wondering.. I've heard lots of good things about it. I've not fooled much with ubuntu myself, though. |
| [16:19:13] | doc_: | I'm a die hard RedHat fanboi..... |
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| [16:19:19] | fryfrog: | ohz mahz godz |
| [16:19:29] | fryfrog: | the only distro i dislike more than redhat is slakware :p |
| [16:19:42] | justinh: | slack is great if you know what you're doing |
| [16:19:45] | fryfrog: | but both of those are probably based on ancient hatred, rather than current |
| [16:19:50] | doc_: | well, I'm running F8 at home.. but I use CentOS 5 at work on everything. |
| [16:20:02] | fryfrog: | yeah, we use RHEL here at work |
| [16:20:05] | justinh: | I wouldn't recommend a noob use slack or gentoo |
| [16:20:16] | doc_: | I support RedHat because... well I'm pretty good friends with a few of the kernel guys, and no organization supports them like redhat.. |
| [16:20:16] | kieran491: | Hmm |
| [16:20:19] | fryfrog: | my dislike of RH mostly comes from versions 5 and 6 |
| [16:20:21] | jheizer: | SOB, just did all kids of work only to realize I resized the wrong damn partition |
| [16:20:23] | jheizer: | arg..... |
| [16:20:28] | kieran491: | how would i get my remote to work then if lirc is the evil? |
| [16:20:36] | doc_: | redhat sends paychecks to more kernel devs than anyone.. as long as that does not change, my support for them will not change |
| [16:20:40] | cmoates: | kieran491, is your receiver working? |
| [16:20:41] | fryfrog: | and my dislike of slakware is only because the very first linux book i got (way back in like 1996/7) was on slakware |
| [16:20:50] | justinh: | doc_: you can support them without using it ;) |
| [16:20:54] | fryfrog: | and it made me give up :) |
| [16:21:04] | justinh: | fryfrog: that was my experience with RH2 |
| [16:21:05] | kieran491: | cmoates: yeah but my remote sends strange STRANGE keystrikes |
| [16:21:10] | kieran491: | *strokes |
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| [16:21:14] | fryfrog: | how are you "supporting" redhat if your work uses CentOS? :p |
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| [16:21:17] | cmoates: | SO you can't irrrecord it, kieran491? |
| [16:21:19] | doc_: | justin: yeah, I know.. but... I know redhat/fedora very well and I don't really have a need to change. |
| [16:21:32] | kieran491: | cmoates: whats that? |
| [16:21:35] | fryfrog: | yeah, i'm sure there is nothing bad about em now :) |
| [16:21:38] | doc_: | fryfrog: we use RHEL on some stuff, such as oracle clusters etc. |
| [16:21:41] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [16:21:44] | justinh: | that's the great thing about linux. there are so many flavours, all with their own weaknesses |
| [16:21:47] | cmoates: | kieran491, it's a tool to try and record a profile of your remote |
| [16:21:57] | fryfrog: | one of my favorites is gentoo, ran it for years |
| [16:21:58] | kieran491: | ok |
| [16:21:59] | cmoates: | comes with lirc |
| [16:22:05] | fryfrog: | i just got tired of all the headache/work it came with :( |
| [16:22:09] | doc_: | gentoo.. ugh... :) |
| [16:22:09] | kieran491: | cmoates: Ahh how do you set it up |
| [16:22:11] | fryfrog: | ubuntu has just been so... easy |
| [16:22:13] | cmoates: | you can't have lirc running when you do it though, I've gotten mixed results that way |
| [16:22:20] | doc_: | www.funroll-loops.org ;) |
| [16:22:26] | cmoates: | kieran491, just irrecord myremote.conf -d /dev/lirc0 |
| [16:22:27] | justinh: | fryfrog: yeah easy an in lull you into a false sense of security ;) |
| [16:22:30] | cmoates: | or whatever the device is |
| [16:22:31] | fryfrog: | oh, i've read all the funny gentoo stuff :) |
| [16:22:34] | cmoates: | it'll walk you through it |
| [16:22:39] | fryfrog: | justinh: nah, i have no illusion of security |
| [16:22:46] | justinh: | heh |
| [16:22:51] | doc_: | anyway.. yeah its both good and bad that there are lots of distros |
| [16:22:54] | fryfrog: | or do you mean false sense of security in that everything isn't *really* going right? :) |
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| [16:23:05] | doc_: | Imagine how much further linux would be if they all came together and focused on making it a better OS... |
| [16:23:08] | kieran491: | Ahh k |
| [16:23:17] | justinh: | doc_: yeah, a world without egos.. ! |
| [16:23:28] | fryfrog: | i've had some small troubles and headaches with ubuntu, but (and i imagine fedora is similar), the packages are mostly fairly new |
| [16:23:41] | fryfrog: | doc_: w/o competition, i think they'd have floundered :/ |
| [16:23:44] | doc_: | The way I see it, there are TWO hurdles yet to overcome.. 1) Seriously usable Collaboration software 2) Games/Entertainment |
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| [16:24:18] | fryfrog: | i can't even imagine a world where many games come to linux :( |
| [16:24:26] | justinh: | doc_: and desktop apps that work with 'standard' formats properly |
| [16:24:38] | fryfrog: | i mean, os x surely out number linux on "gaming" or "personal" systems, and they only have like 3 games :p |
| [16:25:05] | doc_: | Nobody can compete with Direct/X. |
| [16:25:09] | kieran491: | cmoates: how do you set up lirc then i have followed instructions but i dont thinks its working |
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| [16:25:15] | fryfrog: | i think linux does a really good job at two things. server and internets workstation :) |
| [16:25:25] | fryfrog: | yar, those MS guys haves the monies :) |
| [16:25:28] | justinh: | fryfrog: and mythtv :) |
| [16:25:29] | doc_: | Microsoft has that shit locked up. The development environments that they provide to write games for the DirectX API is SECOND to NONE.. so.. game developers WANT to use it... |
| [16:25:38] | fryfrog: | justinh: i'd put that under server |
| [16:25:44] | cmoates: | kieran491, unfortunately, I have to go be a pall bearer at a funeral in about 30 minutes, so I can't get into that right now :( |
| [16:25:44] | fryfrog: | oh, humm, exept the frontend? :) |
| [16:26:02] | fryfrog: | okay, so linux is *reasonable* at media center, but i still think MCE *looks* slicker |
| [16:26:09] | doc_: | linux is good at everything... better at everything.. in my opinion |
| [16:26:11] | fryfrog: | (but i wouldn't use MCE) |
| [16:26:14] | doc_: | except gaming.. and collaboration software. :( |
| [16:26:15] | kieran491: | cmoates: dang do you have a site i could view? |
| [16:26:23] | doc_: | We have nothing to compete with Outlook, or interoperate with it |
| [16:26:27] | justinh: | fryfrog: yeah it does except when it's slowing down cos it's doing something |
| [16:26:32] | doc_: | if we did, I'd switch my work laptop to Linux in a heartbeat |
| [16:26:36] | GreyFoxx: | fryfrog: I've always thought MCE looked crappy |
| [16:26:46] | cmoates: | kieran491, not really, but I'll be around this evevning (eastern time) or maybe someone else here or in #lirc could help you in the mean time |
| [16:26:48] | GreyFoxx: | I like the TV keeps playing in other menus stuff |
| [16:26:49] | kieran491: | cmoates: the device is usb buts its HID so it already sends charecters but not very good |
| [16:26:50] | doc_: | evolution outlook connector sucks ass |
| [16:26:54] | bsdfox_: | kmail does a lot of stuff now fryfrog |
| [16:26:56] | GreyFoxx: | but otherwise I don't find it appealing |
| [16:26:56] | doc_: | But even doing simple stuff --- |
| [16:27:05] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: aye their graphics suck |
| [16:27:06] | cmoates: | kieran491, so it's dev event stuff |
| [16:27:07] | kieran491: | cmoates: hmm will do :) |
| [16:27:10] | doc_: | Theres no EASY and QUICK calendaring/address book thing that I know of for Linux |
| [16:27:10] | fryfrog: | the one thing i saw that i thought was nice looking was the music browser |
| [16:27:16] | fryfrog: | but *all* i've seen is screen shots |
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| [16:27:26] | doc_: | Thunderbird address book is about the best we got.... but you can't share it :( |
| [16:27:26] | fryfrog: | never setup a real MCE box |
| [16:27:31] | cmoates: | kieran491, I don't have particular experience with that, mzb_d800 does, as do others here |
| [16:27:31] | doc_: | which is gay |
| [16:27:40] | fryfrog: | i think the one advantage MCE has now though would be cable card support |
| [16:27:44] | justinh: | doc_: so patch it :) |
| [16:27:50] | kieran491: | cmoates: Sorry whats that? |
| [16:27:50] | GreyFoxx: | fryfrog: I have a few friends who used it cause they were afraid to try myth |
| [16:27:56] | GreyFoxx: | they are all converts now heh |
| [16:27:58] | doc_: | justin: they prefer that you use LDAP.. and... it's support of LDAP is robust |
| [16:28:06] | GreyFoxx: | fryfrog: yeah |
| [16:28:09] | doc_: | The problem is.. There is no mechanism to input data into LDAP that is user-friendly |
| [16:28:11] | justinh: | I think myth is past the point of being really mega-scary now |
| [16:28:22] | cmoates: | kieran491, /dev/input, sorry, that's how remotes that act like keyboards work |
| [16:28:38] | justinh: | could still be better but it's way better than it was 3 years ago |
| [16:28:40] | cmoates: | kieran491, you need to somehow configure lirc to intercept that particular input device, and tell X to ignore it |
| [16:29:17] | kieran491: | cmoates: Mmm i have it setup i thought to intercept it but the log are compltly empty for lircd |
| [16:29:25] | fryfrog: | If I could get a PCI cable card for linux, i'd go ape shit |
| [16:29:34] | GreyFoxx: | fryfrog: many would |
| [16:29:38] | fryfrog: | i wouldn't even mind renting the card from cable co for $5/mo (+sub of course) |
| [16:29:50] | cmoates: | kieran491, maye http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Snapstream_firefly_mini will help? |
| [16:29:52] | justinh: | imagine that though.. an open source software driven cable decrippler.. hmmm |
| [16:30:01] | fryfrog: | i just hate that if i want HD and SD in "digital" i have to find a lucky firewire STB |
| [16:30:04] | kieran491: | cmoates: i will give it a look at |
| [16:30:10] | fryfrog: | justinh: yeah, it'll never happen :( |
| [16:30:18] | fryfrog: | but... there are *closed source* kernel modules |
| [16:30:29] | kieran491: | cmoates: Woo looks like mine ehehe |
| [16:30:33] | fryfrog: | so in theory, i imagine they could achieve it... they'll still never do it though :/ |
| [16:30:40] | GreyFoxx: | Tivo has support for it ? |
| [16:30:49] | GreyFoxx: | Maybe someday someone will reverse engineer that |
| [16:30:50] | fryfrog: | yeah, but tivo is closed source |
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| [16:31:05] | justinh: | fryfrog: such a shame customers don't vote with their money more often. then they'd take notice |
| [16:31:16] | fryfrog: | justinh: yeah, i concur |
| [16:31:22] | cmoates: | kieran491, good luck, I'm out for now :) |
| [16:31:27] | justinh: | same story with bluray & hd-dvd lameness |
| [16:31:32] | fryfrog: | except... their "options" are to goto sat, which is worse in terms of using it with myth... |
| [16:31:41] | fryfrog: | or ota, which is "better" for the 3 channels you get :p |
| [16:31:53] | justinh: | fryfrog: or in my case, painted into a corner, I just opt out |
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| [16:31:56] | kieran491: | cmoates: thanks :) |
| [16:31:57] | GreyFoxx: | Or , start a protest |
| [16:32:03] | fryfrog: | hehe, no more TVs! |
| [16:32:14] | GreyFoxx: | a real, organized, people outside their building with reporters storming the lobby protest |
| [16:32:16] | justinh: | I oculd live without tv |
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| [16:32:28] | doc_: | isnt component video analog ?? |
| [16:32:28] | fryfrog: | i concur :) |
| [16:32:29] | MzOzD: | is there any way for mythtv to decode irdeto channels ? |
| [16:32:33] | GreyFoxx: | get them on camera NOT answering why you are not allowed to record the show you paid to have access to :) |
| [16:32:34] | fryfrog: | i haven't watched much tv recently |
| [16:32:42] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: folks are scared of being locked up without charge in some dungeon somewhere ;) |
| [16:32:42] | doc_: | I know HDMI is digital of course, but I thought component is analog |
| [16:32:55] | GreyFoxx: | doc_: component is analog |
| [16:33:00] | GreyFoxx: | same as svideo/composite |
| [16:33:03] | fryfrog: | doc_: yes, component, composite, svideo, rf are all analog |
| [16:33:05] | doc_: | sure.. I thought so. |
| [16:33:18] | justinh: | you need to have permission to hold demos in the UK now |
| [16:33:26] | fryfrog: | but component/dvi/hdmi can be HD of course |
| [16:33:29] | GreyFoxx: | demos of what ? |
| [16:33:31] | doc_: | I just can't believe someone hasnt made a component video input capture card yet with on-board MPEG2 encoding. |
| [16:33:35] | GreyFoxx: | oh, demonstrations |
| [16:33:38] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: public protests |
| [16:33:38] | GreyFoxx: | seriously? |
| [16:33:41] | justinh: | yep |
| [16:33:42] | GreyFoxx: | That's crazy |
| [16:33:46] | fryfrog: | doc_: they exist, but for HD they are crazy expensive |
| [16:33:47] | justinh: | scary crazy |
| [16:33:49] | GreyFoxx: | A: it gives the company warning |
| [16:33:54] | fryfrog: | i've also seen an HDMI one |
| [16:33:55] | doc_: | fryfrog: :( |
| [16:34:05] | GreyFoxx: | and B: what if you are protesting the government who refuses permission for you to protest ? |
| [16:34:11] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: bingo |
| [16:34:28] | GreyFoxx: | yay, lunchtime |
| [16:34:35] | justinh: | the UK govt banned protests within a certain perimeter of Parliament a while back |
| [16:35:13] | fryfrog: | the UK sounds like they are becomming more and more of a... nanny state? |
| [16:35:25] | cmoates: | doc_, the amount of raw data in a 1080i HD component feed is staggering. It takes huge amounts of CPU to process that, hence the high price |
| [16:35:25] | fryfrog: | i mean, "doing what is right for its citizens, weather they like it or not" |
| [16:35:30] | justinh: | nanny? more like totalitarian IMHO |
| [16:35:40] | fryfrog: | okay, totalitarian works too :) |
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| [16:36:12] | doc_: | cmoates: I realize... I just guess I figured it would be further along than it is by now. |
| [16:36:40] | doc_: | After being a mythtv user for so many years now, and having my family trained on it's use, I can't stomach going with a third-party HD DVR such as the one DirecTV supports. |
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| [16:36:47] | cmoates: | doc_, small demand + custom hardware = high costs to manufacture |
| [16:36:55] | cmoates: | and yes, it's frustrating |
| [16:36:59] | cmoates: | Well all feel the same pain :( |
| [16:37:04] | justinh: | cmoates: not that any HD DVR uses CPU to decode anything |
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| [16:37:27] | justinh: | mpeg decoder chips ftw! |
| [16:37:36] | justinh: | (in the embedded world) |
| [16:37:40] | cmoates: | They don't need to, they get the inside track |
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| [16:38:11] | doc_: | I'd have to upgrade a few of my frontends anyway |
| [16:38:20] | doc_: | the regular xbox isnt gonna cut it for HD ;) |
| [16:38:26] | doc_: | works great for SD though |
| [16:39:09] | justinh: | I felt I needed to enable subtitles last time I tried the XBMCmythtv python scripts. how loud is that box? |
| [16:39:51] | doc_: | I'm using those scripts on all of my xboxes.. it works great |
| [16:40:17] | justinh: | it was my frontend for a while til i couldn't stand the noise anymore |
| [16:40:23] | doc_: | xboxes can be loud.. depending on what version you get.. but.. you can replace that noisy fan with a cheap heatsync for $7 dollars... |
| [16:40:35] | doc_: | mine are dead silent now. |
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| [16:43:19] | tgm4883_laptop: | is there a way to keep a pvr-150 tuned to channel 3 when using an external channel changing script so that an external satelite box can be used via coax with it? |
| [16:43:34] | jheizer: | hey, I resized the right partion that time and the box still boots :-) |
| [16:43:38] | fryfrog: | tgm4883_laptop: yup, just set it up that way during mythtv-setup |
| [16:44:00] | fryfrog: | though you'd be better off with a signal over RCA or SVideo in that case |
| [16:44:13] | fryfrog: | which should be available on the pvr150, though not sure on your STB |
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| [16:44:56] | tgm4883_laptop: | fryfrog, i agree that RCA would be a better solution, however im helping a friend with it and it is unavailable |
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| [16:45:04] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [16:45:11] | tgm4883_laptop: | so there is a setting in mythtv-setup that will keep in on channel 3? |
| [16:45:17] | fryfrog: | there is a field that is like "tune to channel" or something |
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| [16:45:31] | fryfrog: | and then of course you'd need to use it with an external channel change script |
| [16:45:35] | doc_: | mysql> UPDATE settings SET data='ionice -c3 mythcommflag' WHERE value='JobQueueCommFlagCommand'; |
| [16:45:35] | doc_: | Query OK, 1 row affected (0.02 sec) |
| [16:45:36] | justinh: | that field is just to set the starting channel IIRC |
| [16:45:39] | doc_: | we'll see if that makes a difference :) |
| [16:45:44] | Dr_willis: | tgm4883_laptop, i also ended up just making a seperate 'input' that used the rca in. So cant help. |
| [16:46:24] | tgm4883_laptop: | fryfrog, i was only aware of the same thing that justinh is talking about, are you saying there is another area? |
| [16:46:28] | fryfrog: | tgm4883_laptop: signal quality is going to be kind of crappy, i imagine, but if it is your only option... then its your only option :) |
| [16:46:30] | ** tgm4883_laptop starts going though mythtv setup ** | |
| [16:46:52] | fryfrog: | justinh: no, i'm pretty sure right above the "starting channel" is a "tune to" field |
| [16:47:05] | fryfrog: | er |
| [16:47:08] | fryfrog: | that was for tgm |
| [16:47:10] | justinh: | not sure that's in -fixes |
| [16:47:21] | ** justinh looks ** | |
| [16:47:25] | fryfrog: | i'm pretty sur ei saw that *way* back when i was using .19 or .18 |
| [16:47:38] | fryfrog: | but i've never *used* it, so my sureness is pretty low :) |
| [16:47:41] | fryfrog: | maybe 75% :) |
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| [16:50:15] | jheizer: | lmai@ sureness |
| [16:50:20] | jheizer: | *lmao |
| [16:50:43] | justinh: | is sureness like 'wellness' ? |
| [16:51:26] | ** jheizer is doing a dd to the SD card from before and iostat is reporting 2.4MB/s writing so the hdparm just must be a crappy test for it or something ** | |
| [16:51:29] | fryfrog: | i guess it is the fryfrog uncertainty principal :) |
| [16:51:46] | fryfrog: | SD? |
| [16:51:53] | fryfrog: | Standard Def? |
| [16:51:59] | jheizer: | secure digital |
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| [16:52:00] | tgm4883_laptop: | there is a preset tuner to channel: |
| [16:52:13] | fryfrog: | yup, that is it |
| [16:52:25] | tgm4883_laptop: | although that is set to 3, and were still having issues with the live tv part |
| [16:52:35] | fryfrog: | you have an external script filled in? |
| [16:52:47] | fryfrog: | otherwise, it might be trying to change the tuner on the pvr150 |
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| [16:54:55] | tgm4883_laptop: | yep |
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| [16:56:02] | fryfrog: | but having no experience with it, i'm not sure where to point you |
| [16:56:15] | fryfrog: | turn the logging up in backend, see what it says when you change channels/see problems? |
| [16:56:31] | tgm4883_laptop: | ok, do we do that in the backend startup script? |
| [16:57:37] | fryfrog: | what distro? |
| [16:57:43] | tgm4883_laptop: | mythbuntu |
| [16:57:46] | fryfrog: | in ubuntu, i have a file "/etc/defaults/mythtv-backend" |
| [16:57:49] | fryfrog: | ah, try looking there |
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| [16:58:23] | tgm4883_laptop: | how high to put it once i find it? |
| [16:58:30] | fryfrog: | EXTRA_ARGS="-v important -l /var/log/mythtv/backend.log" <-- is what i put in there |
| [16:58:42] | fryfrog: | i'd start with important, it is a good level |
| [16:58:56] | fryfrog: | if you don't see anything, run "mythbackend -v help" and take a look at all the options |
| [16:59:05] | fryfrog: | you can do "all" but that'll be retarded huge |
| [16:59:18] | fryfrog: | there might be one for "channel" so you could do "important,channel,anotheronehere" |
| [16:59:20] | doc_: | whats the default -v level ? |
| [16:59:26] | doc_: | (if you dont specify -v) |
| [16:59:30] | fryfrog: | doc_: good question, i'm not sure :) |
| [16:59:43] | fryfrog: | probably "none" or "important" :) |
| [16:59:48] | doc_: | just wondering. I seem to get plenty of useful info |
| [16:59:53] | doc_: | and I dont specify -v at all |
| [16:59:54] | tgm4883_laptop: | i think i found it in /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend |
| [17:00:02] | doc_: | /usr/bin/mythbackend --noupnp --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythbackend.pid |
| [17:00:21] | fryfrog: | doc_: i'm not surprised, it probably does default to "important" or even more |
| [17:00:25] | ** doc_ grumbles something rude about UPNP packets being sent on his LAN without his knowledge :) ** | |
| [17:00:48] | tgm4883_laptop: | maybe, although there is almost nothing in my logs right now |
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| [17:01:05] | fryfrog: | i just turne doff upnp too, i kept meanting to do that |
| [17:01:14] | fryfrog: | tgm4883_laptop: then throw some -v in :) |
| [17:01:27] | fryfrog: | if you are using ubuntu, do you have /etc/default/mythtv-backend? |
| [17:02:01] | tgm4883: | no, there is no /etc/default |
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| [17:03:35] | fryfrog: | dir, not file |
| [17:03:45] | fryfrog: | okay, guess mythbuntu is diff from ubuntu :) |
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| [17:04:01] | tgm4883_laptop: | fryfrog, shouldn't be |
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| [17:04:08] | tgm4883_laptop: | same people make it |
| [17:04:24] | ** doc_ goes looking for a way to ionice -c1 -n0 his mythbackend on startup ** | |
| [17:04:43] | tgm4883_laptop: | i don't even have /etc/defaults/ on my desktop machine which is running gutsy |
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| [17:05:35] | fryfrog: | hummm |
| [17:06:34] | fryfrog: | both of my gutsy installs have /etc/default/ |
| [17:06:59] | fryfrog: | one is a clean, fresh install, the other went from etch -> feisty -> gutsy |
| [17:07:19] | tgm4883_laptop: | arg |
| [17:07:21] | tgm4883_laptop: | my bad |
| [17:07:29] | tgm4883_laptop: | yea i do have /etc/default/ |
| [17:07:35] | tgm4883_laptop: | not /etc/defaults/ |
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| [17:08:21] | tgm4883_laptop: | i do have /etc/default/mythtv-backend |
| [17:09:35] | fryfrog: | http://pastebin.ca/799430 |
| [17:09:40] | fryfrog: | bah |
| [17:09:45] | fryfrog: | did i say defaults? |
| [17:09:46] | fryfrog: | i did |
| [17:09:50] | fryfrog: | i'm lametarded, sorry :0 |
| [17:10:51] | justinh: | ach well. time for hometime |
| [17:11:11] | fryfrog: | opps, earlier i also said "nice -n -19" and that should have been "nice -n 19" i'm pretty sure |
| [17:11:18] | fryfrog: | i always get – and + confused on nice :) |
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| [17:18:18] | doc_: | [root@dfs sysconfig]# ionice -p `ps xa | egrep -v 'grep|PID' | grep mythcommflag | cut -f1` |
| [17:18:19] | doc_: | idle |
| [17:18:23] | doc_: | cool. :) |
| [17:18:47] | fryfrog: | ah, you can ionice a running process? |
| [17:18:55] | doc_: | yea with -p |
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| [17:19:06] | fryfrog: | i wonder if you can ionie *and* nice something? |
| [17:19:13] | doc_: | yeah, I don't think so :( |
| [17:19:17] | doc_: | at the same time anyway |
| [17:19:20] | doc_: | maybe if you ... |
| [17:19:32] | fryfrog: | what would happen if you did "ionice blah nice -n 19 command"? |
| [17:19:34] | doc_: | ionice -args nice -args daemon -args |
| [17:19:38] | fryfrog: | haha |
| [17:19:40] | doc_: | hehe |
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| [17:19:43] | CCFL_Man2: | what are you guys going to do in 2009 when analog broadcasts stop? |
| [17:19:45] | doc_: | dunno I havent tried it |
| [17:20:02] | doc_: | CFL: nothing? |
| [17:20:09] | doc_: | I'm not getting any broadcasts.. just directv :) |
| [17:20:27] | doc_: | fryfrog: I also added this to my mythbackend startup: |
| [17:20:37] | doc_: | ionice -c1 -n0 -p`cat /var/run/${prog}.pid` |
| [17:21:02] | CCFL_Man2: | doc_: analog inputs into mythtv? |
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| [17:22:16] | doc_: | CCFL: svideo inputs |
| [17:22:19] | doc_: | yeah :( |
| [17:22:36] | CCFL_Man2: | wish there was a digital solution |
| [17:22:42] | doc_: | and I'm ok with analog capture. I just wish there were a way to capture component video instead of svideo :) |
| [17:23:07] | tgm4883: | fryfrog, if you want to see the backend.log, here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/46011/ |
| [17:24:00] | CCFL_Man2: | you can use a specific dvb card, it has dss mode, and you can legally decrypt it, but no linux solution |
| [17:24:47] | CCFL_Man2: | no linux way to pick apart the stream |
| [17:25:07] | CCFL_Man2: | actually, there is |
| [17:25:24] | CCFL_Man2: | dss mode uses a different packet size |
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| [17:39:08] | directhex: | CCFL_Man2, i haven't used analog in myth for about 3 years |
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| [18:02:50] | Dibblah: | justinh: Umm... I don't get it. |
| [18:03:18] | Dibblah: | The 2.1.1 version of the i810 driver _does_ do XVMC. |
| [18:03:22] | Dibblah: | As in it works. |
| [18:03:34] | Dibblah: | And looks _really_ nice on an HD display :)) |
| [18:04:15] | Dibblah: | I was expecting a severe fight for that. And it just works... |
| [18:05:41] | Dibblah: | "just works" == you do have to set the "fixed" option for video memory size in the bios. |
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| [18:10:15] | ** Dibblah wonders if he should look at the new deinterlacing patch :) ** | |
| [18:10:31] | xris: | new deinterlacer, or just changes? |
| [18:10:36] | Dibblah: | Unfortunately, no HQ scalers yet :( |
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| [18:10:41] | Dibblah: | New deinterlacers. |
| [18:10:45] | xris: | nifty |
| [18:10:52] | Noble: | has anyone in here done any serious messing around with modelines trying to get a perfect picture on their ntsc tv? |
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| [18:11:10] | Dibblah: | greedy2frame or similar and Yadif. |
| [18:11:21] | Dibblah: | Noble: What output method? |
| [18:11:24] | Dibblah: | Video card? |
| [18:11:27] | Noble: | nvidia tv out |
| [18:11:30] | Noble: | mx440 |
| [18:11:40] | Noble: | i've tried a bunch of modelines, and modeline calculators.... but the best picture always comes up when i screw something up and it defaults back to vesa |
| [18:11:41] | Dibblah: | Difficult with a "standard" TV :( |
| [18:11:52] | Noble: | what hardware would you recommend? |
| [18:12:07] | xris: | Noble: not much to do with an old card like that. 5200 and after have much better analog tv support |
| [18:12:12] | Noble: | oh really? |
| [18:12:14] | Dibblah: | A HD TV with VGA input is out of your price range, I guess? ;) |
| [18:12:26] | Noble: | well if i could afford one, i would have already bought one ;) |
| [18:12:39] | Dibblah: | I guessed that. They _are_ great, though :) |
| [18:12:40] | Noble: | its not like I *don't* want an hdtv |
| [18:12:45] | Noble: | yeah |
| [18:13:04] | xris: | Noble: you can get an fx5200 or 6200 or 7300 for $20–30 |
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| [18:13:04] | Noble: | okay, guess i'm hitting up craigslist then |
| [18:13:11] | Dibblah: | It's easy if you're in the EU / anywhere apart from the US. |
| [18:13:26] | Noble: | i'm in the us... whats bad about being in the us |
| [18:13:32] | dr_lulz: | hrm |
| [18:13:38] | Noble: | aside from... okay.. just tell me what you were talking about |
| [18:13:39] | dr_lulz: | apropos tv-out |
| [18:13:47] | Dibblah: | ... You just raid the piggy bank, buy a house in the US and they throw in a HD projector ;) |
| [18:14:03] | dr_lulz: | do you think a ~5m s-video cable would result in a big quality loss? |
| [18:14:04] | Dibblah: | With the current exchange rates, I mean. |
| [18:14:14] | Dibblah: | dr_lulz: Depends on the cable. |
| [18:14:20] | Noble: | 5m is pretty long |
| [18:14:27] | Dibblah: | Generally, with moderately good cable it's fine. |
| [18:14:36] | Dibblah: | You're not talking about high bandwidth. |
| [18:14:37] | dr_lulz: | i wonder if i can pay a moderately good cable :P |
| [18:14:53] | ** dr_lulz 's poor ** | |
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| [18:15:41] | Dibblah: | I have a 10m VGA cable running a 1280x720@50Hz projector. It's not quite bit-accurate, but it's close enough until I can solder up the DVI cable correctly. |
| [18:16:09] | Dibblah: | "Moderately good" == not monster cable prices, but not "free with a toast rack" prices. |
| [18:16:25] | dr_lulz: | hm |
| [18:16:43] | dr_lulz: | i dont want to risk buying a cable i can throw away afterwards cause it will look crappy ;) |
| [18:16:48] | Noble: | if i upgrage my video card i'll stop having trouble with compiz as well |
| [18:16:54] | Dibblah: | Cut one in half. Check that it has individually properly shielded coax for each core. |
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| [18:17:08] | Noble: | if so, you've just ruined a good cable |
| [18:17:23] | dr_lulz: | heh |
| [18:17:30] | Dibblah: | If you don't want to cut it in half because it cost too much, you bought a cable that was too expensive ;) |
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| [18:18:14] | Dibblah: | Ruined? No, you got *two* cables for the price of one. |
| [18:18:18] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [18:18:22] | Noble: | but in that case, you've got the best cable you can afford anyway... so wysiwyg |
| [18:18:38] | Dibblah: | But yes, 5m is easily possible. |
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| [18:19:28] | Dibblah: | A good 5m cable shouldn't cost more than UKP 7 or so. |
| [18:19:38] | Dibblah: | So about $50 or so ;) |
| [18:19:46] | dr_lulz: | lol |
| [18:20:18] | Noble: | how much is that in pints of plasma? |
| [18:20:36] | Dibblah: | Depends. Noble plasma? |
| [18:20:42] | doc_: | heh |
| [18:20:54] | Noble: | ah, a gas joke ;) |
| [18:20:59] | Dibblah: | Or Nitrogen / etc... |
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| [18:21:31] | Noble: | i don't know how you'd measure a pint of gaseous plasma |
| [18:21:34] | Dibblah: | Of course, since it's plasma, it doesn't really matter. |
| [18:21:36] | Noble: | er.... |
| [18:21:50] | Noble: | not gaseous plasma... but... oh you know what i mean |
| [18:22:02] | Dibblah: | Plasma is the word you're looking for. |
| [18:22:08] | Noble: | yes... plasma plasma |
| [18:22:24] | Dibblah: | solid -> liquid -> gas -> plasma |
| [18:22:33] | Noble: | i caught my mistake |
| [18:22:42] | Dibblah: | There are some trans-things as well, of course. But... |
| [18:22:50] | BULLE: | Dibblah: unless its a substance that basicly just sublimates! |
| [18:22:50] | Dibblah: | That's getting sorta off topic ;) |
| [18:22:53] | Noble: | and states below solid |
| [18:23:01] | Noble: | like bose einstein condensate |
| [18:23:30] | Dibblah: | BULLE: I wasn't meaning it as a state diagram. |
| [18:24:02] | Dibblah: | And besides, sublimation is a special case at certain pressure / temperature combinations only. |
| [18:26:32] | Dibblah: | But back on topic. Now to try (again) multithreaded HD :) |
| [18:26:58] | Dibblah: | (h.264) |
| [18:27:42] | doc_: | I think I'm gonna get one of those $129 pchdtv cards and throw an ATSC antenna on top of my house |
| [18:28:12] | doc_: | does mythtv do software-encoding for that stream or ? |
| [18:28:18] | Dibblah: | Grr. |
| [18:28:18] | doc_: | doesnt look like to me that card has an on-board encoder :( |
| [18:28:19] | Dibblah: | No. |
| [18:28:26] | doc_: | mass cpu :( |
| [18:28:35] | justinh: | doc_: ATSC cards don't _need_ encoders onboard |
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| [18:28:47] | Dibblah: | There. Is. No. Encoding. Involved. In. Digital. TV. On. The. Customer. Side. |
| [18:28:48] | doc_: | mythtv just stores the digital stream then ? |
| [18:28:48] | justinh: | they pull the signal in, in digital form |
| [18:28:54] | justinh: | yes |
| [18:29:13] | doc_: | cool, what kinda filesizes are noticed?? comparing, say, an hour's worth of NTSC |
| [18:29:19] | doc_: | (mpeg2 hardware) |
| [18:29:23] | Dibblah: | justinh: Did you get another video card for your new frontend? |
| [18:29:23] | justinh: | the only CPU used during recording is that involved in doing entries in the recordedmarkup table |
| [18:29:37] | justinh: | Dibblah: what new frontend? for that I'd have to have received the CPU |
| [18:29:43] | Dibblah: | doc_: 3.5Gb for Corrie. |
| [18:29:48] | Dibblah: | (Omnibus) |
| [18:30:01] | justinh: | doc_: about 8GB/hour or so IIRC for OTA HDTV |
| [18:30:10] | Dibblah: | ... That's probably not a good benchmark for a US person, I guess. |
| [18:30:19] | doc_: | ouchie |
| [18:30:28] | justinh: | Dibblah: try a dodgy aerial connection on a tuner. much lower filesize ;) |
| [18:30:29] | ** doc_ looks at bigger hd's :) ** | |
| [18:30:37] | jheizer: | I usualyl run ~6GB/hr using my air2pc |
| [18:30:50] | Dibblah: | 500Gb is cheap these days, relatively speaking. |
| [18:30:56] | justinh: | doc_: max bitrate is like 18mbits/sec so you do the maths |
| [18:30:58] | jheizer: | mostly 720p |
| [18:31:00] | doc_: | newegg had 1TB drives for $150 yesterday |
| [18:31:25] | justinh: | man that's cheap, especially with the dollar being so er.. 'good' right now for us in the UK |
| [18:31:48] | Dibblah: | newegg doesn't do international :( |
| [18:31:54] | justinh: | hell I'd even buy a Hitachi for that price |
| [18:32:13] | Dibblah: | doc_: 460 programmes, using 1 TB (18 days 7 hrs 18 mins) out of 1.9 TB (86 GB free) |
| [18:32:38] | Dibblah: | That's my current recordings (mix of very few HD (h.264) and SD stuff) |
| [18:33:00] | jheizer: | who says the antenna has to go on the roof... http://www.forumimagehosting.com/files/1/img002.jpg lol |
| [18:33:01] | Noble: | yes, buy our shit... put more worthwhile currency into our economy please |
| [18:33:07] | jheizer: | gotta love apartment life... |
| [18:33:22] | Dibblah: | Never seen a HD made in the US. |
| [18:33:25] | Dibblah: | ... So far ;) |
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| [18:33:51] | Noble: | we will at least get a piece of it |
| [18:33:58] | Dibblah: | My projector was bought stateside, though. |
| [18:34:09] | Dibblah: | UKP 560 all in. |
| [18:34:22] | Dibblah: | For HD, that's a steal. |
| [18:34:26] | justinh: | ffs. still no cpu delivery! if it doesn't arrive by thursday I'll be going postal |
| [18:34:58] | Dibblah: | ebay? |
| [18:35:03] | justinh: | and the ignorant cow who sold it to me can't be arsed to reply to emails despite leaving & receiving feedback for other items |
| [18:35:13] | Dibblah: | Ah. |
| [18:35:40] | fryfrog: | i hate ebay :/ |
| [18:35:48] | Dibblah: | I love ebay. |
| [18:35:57] | justinh: | I like ebay. hate ebay users |
| [18:36:05] | fryfrog: | i only use ebay as a last resort |
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| [18:37:29] | Dibblah: | Hmmm. |
| [18:38:00] | Dibblah: | Anyone know why march is not set to nocona for the core2? |
| [18:38:02] | justinh: | truth be told I've not had much trouble but jesus when I have it's abonimable |
| [18:38:37] | Dibblah: | On streaming media decoding, it makes about a 50% benchmark difference. |
| [18:38:40] | fryfrog: | i don't think i've ever had a problem with ebay, but i rarely buy on there. its the online horror stories i read that make me dislike it :/ |
| [18:38:55] | justinh: | course my emails might be mistakenly ending up in a spam bin.. but still, they should see they have messages on ebay itself |
| [18:39:08] | Dibblah: | The lesson to learn with ebay is just "People Are Greedy". |
| [18:39:13] | fryfrog: | if it has been to long, leave negative feedback |
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| [18:39:28] | Dibblah: | Treat everyone as a con-artist (politely, of course) and it's fine. |
| [18:39:32] | justinh: | oh you can be very sure I'm going to do that |
| [18:39:44] | justinh: | Dibblah: that isn't the point though |
| [18:39:59] | justinh: | like the old "don't spend money you'll miss on Ebay" |
| [18:40:16] | Dibblah: | "ratings" really don't work very well without _real_ research. |
| [18:40:47] | justinh: | yeah like cross-checking everybody for the last 50 transactions or something :P |
| [18:40:59] | Dibblah: | As in going into each item and seeing what it is, ending price, common buyers from that seller, etc. |
| [18:41:21] | janneg: | Dibblah: old gccs not knowing -march=nocona |
| [18:41:40] | Dibblah: | 3.4+, I think...? |
| [18:41:45] | Dibblah: | Ah. Right. |
| [18:41:48] | justinh: | what's most annoying is that I could've bought another one by now. maybe next time I sell something I'll be a total PITA & ignorant too |
| [18:42:07] | Dibblah: | The risk is _always_ bad feedback. |
| [18:42:08] | fryfrog: | what cpu did you buy? |
| [18:42:16] | Dibblah: | Even when you do nothing wrong. |
| [18:42:21] | justinh: | fryfrog: t5600 core2 duo |
| [18:42:27] | fryfrog: | spiffy |
| [18:42:31] | justinh: | Dibblah: doesn't matter much when you mostly buy |
| [18:42:32] | fryfrog: | i can't wait to build new systems :) |
| [18:42:45] | fryfrog: | so... i got a hit on linkedin for a position with facebook the other day |
| [18:42:48] | justinh: | I'm tempted to sack it off & buy a new one |
| [18:43:23] | Dibblah: | Bugger. Forgot to say. |
| [18:43:23] | fryfrog: | did you buy with something that has some buyer protection? like paypal or credit card? |
| [18:43:29] | justinh: | thing is though, new ones are 3 times the price and if I'm that committed why not just buy the mini |
| [18:43:34] | Dibblah: | The advert for the mobo is misleading. |
| [18:43:45] | Dibblah: | It only supports up to 2Gb RAM. |
| [18:43:49] | justinh: | Dibblah: it's not 'socket 479' either |
| [18:43:59] | justinh: | or rather it is but there are two types |
| [18:44:06] | justinh: | Dibblah: boo hoo :) |
| [18:44:06] | fryfrog: | what happens if you buy with payap, on a credit card... can you dispute the charge from paypal with your cc? |
| [18:44:11] | Dibblah: | I hate socket funkyness. |
| [18:44:19] | justinh: | fryfrog: oh it's all paypap |
| [18:44:24] | Dibblah: | fryfrog: No. It's an intermediary. |
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| [18:44:35] | fryfrog: | so you have to take up issues with paypal? |
| [18:44:38] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [18:44:43] | justinh: | nice eh? |
| [18:44:45] | gbee: | unconvinced by the folder icon, but I'm interested to know what everyone else thinks: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/metallurgy_videogallery.png |
| [18:44:47] | Dibblah: | Your CC company will not help you. |
| [18:44:48] | fryfrog: | very :/ |
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| [18:45:05] | justinh: | I managed to get over £700 reefunded for a bulk buy of some er.. (cough) cable boxes once |
| [18:45:12] | justinh: | very swiftly too I might add |
| [18:45:26] | Dibblah: | gbee: Nice. |
| [18:45:41] | gbee: | the problem with the video gallery is that you really can do very much with those icon backgrounds/folder icons, they get stretched whatever you do so the image has to be kept simple |
| [18:45:49] | Dibblah: | I assume it doesn't fit with 2x5? |
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| [18:46:02] | justinh: | gbee: not sure myself either |
| [18:46:05] | Dibblah: | (The text is too close to both videos for my liking) :( |
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| [18:46:19] | justinh: | gbee: maybe lose the left top bump.. |
| [18:46:59] | gbee: | Dibblah: can tweak that |
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| [18:47:11] | justinh: | maybe it's an optical illusion but it looks wider than the rest too |
| [18:47:32] | oobe: | has anyone used the new apple trailers plugin its hella cool |
| [18:47:36] | justinh: | heh no illusion. it is wider |
| [18:47:41] | justinh: | oobe: it's NOT a plugin |
| [18:47:42] | gbee: | justinh: it is |
| [18:48:00] | gbee: | let me go and play with it some more then :) |
| [18:48:02] | oobe: | i think he calls it one if it isnt then fine i like it |
| [18:48:13] | justinh: | it's a hackish thing which writes menu xml files & I wouldn't trust it as far as I could chuck it |
| [18:48:30] | oobe: | have you used it |
| [18:48:50] | justinh: | yeah. don't like it, but then I don't watch trailers. I find them pointless :) |
| [18:48:52] | Dibblah: | gbee: If you want a little bit more criticism,... |
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| [18:49:25] | Dibblah: | The surrounding boxes are or are not meant to match the main surround? |
| [18:49:28] | oobe: | i think its a good way to know whats new and out |
| [18:49:36] | oobe: | since i dont watch ads |
| [18:49:37] | justinh: | oobe: that somebody made the effort to make something is to be applauded but I don't think the method used is any good |
| [18:49:39] | oobe: | :P |
| [18:49:57] | oobe: | fair enough |
| [18:50:23] | Dibblah: | gbee: It still looks much, much better than _anything_ I can do, of course :) |
| [18:50:37] | oobe: | i think its pretty good effort and i dont see whats wrong with dumping it out to xml |
| [18:51:00] | oobe: | i find it easy to configure |
| [18:51:49] | Dibblah: | ... It's writing out a new _theme_. |
| [18:51:56] | Dibblah: | It's not writing out it's data. |
| [18:52:07] | Dibblah: | Technically, it's just... Wrong. :) |
| [18:52:16] | Dibblah: | Okay. It _feels_ wrong. |
| [18:53:22] | justinh: | I can count on one finger the amount of films I've gone to see on the strength of a trailer I've seen anyway |
| [18:53:41] | justinh: | they're all pretty much the same :( |
| [18:53:46] | justinh: | anyway, time for curry! |
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| [18:57:26] | rambo3: | sup |
| [18:58:13] | BULLE: | rambo3: no, not this time and this day, perhaps on friday or saturday |
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| [19:01:11] | rambo3: | whats "out if " plug on receiver for ? |
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| [19:04:39] | code-r: | Hi, im running SVN and my volume control doesnt work. (cant lower or raise volume) but i CAN mute.. whats wrong? |
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| [19:05:45] | rambo3: | are you missing alsaoss ? |
| [19:06:09] | oobe: | code-r have you checked utiltities / setup /general page 3 |
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| [19:06:48] | oobe: | make sure audio output is set to alsa:defalt |
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| [19:10:59] | code-r: | changed it to alsa:Default. Mixer controls is pcm? |
| [19:11:04] | oobe: | yeah |
| [19:11:13] | oobe: | sound tight to me |
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| [19:11:28] | oobe: | right |
| [19:11:31] | oobe: | not tight |
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| [19:11:40] | code-r: | master? |
| [19:11:44] | code-r: | or pcm |
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| [19:11:55] | oobe: | pcm |
| [19:12:40] | oobe: | and check use internal volume controls |
| [19:13:05] | oobe: | and uncheck everything else |
| [19:13:57] | code-r: | its done.. still doesnt work |
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| [19:14:10] | code-r: | i can use "ALSAMIXER" from the shell but myth doesnt set the volume |
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| [19:15:09] | oobe: | sounds strange |
| [19:15:29] | oobe: | cant help u then sorry |
| [19:15:45] | code-r: | whats teh diff between pcm and master |
| [19:16:16] | oobe: | i think master is what ever the is defined as default mixer by the system |
| [19:16:35] | justinh: | master is the overall volume control. pcm is just the pcm channel |
| [19:16:44] | justinh: | aka 'wave playback' |
| [19:16:53] | oobe: | ok well try master then :) |
| [19:17:13] | oobe: | either way what u need to fix is on that page |
| [19:17:41] | andrewju (andrewju!n=spam@217.172.30.162) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [19:17:56] | andrewju: | Hi All |
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| [19:18:53] | ** justinh spies a brand new core2 duo mobile cpu for a stealy price.. tempting ** | |
| [19:19:28] | iamlindoro_: | Thought you had a CPU on the way already |
| [19:19:46] | justinh: | there's about a million tonnes of salt on that theory now |
| [19:20:10] | iamlindoro_: | Heh |
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| [19:22:15] | justinh: | noticed that the version of minimyth I'm using is giving me issues with recordings from some channels now. play... glitch..... play... glitch.. little pauses in playback. very annoying |
| [19:22:40] | justinh: | it has to go, and soon! |
| [19:23:26] | justinh: | I'd like to know wtf freeview are doing to the streams broadcast though |
| [19:24:34] | justinh: | e4+1, five, dave, virgin1.. all producing unplayable recordings most of the time |
| [19:24:48] | justinh: | they play fine on the backend |
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| [19:25:23] | justinh: | but then the backend doesn't rely on xvmc to play sdtv mpeg2 |
| [19:26:10] | iamlindoro_: | Heh. My cableCo manages to provide a virtually unuseable HD stream of the same show, week after week... with 90% signal via QAM. |
| [19:26:23] | iamlindoro_: | always the same show, no issues on either of the shows around it. |
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| [19:27:09] | iamlindoro_: | But this one show will choke for 10–15 seconds at a time, Every single week, five times a show, usually when something important is happening. Argh. |
| [19:27:18] | justinh: | I think some decoders (like via xvmc) throw up issues with the playback timing code. to look into it properly will be super involved and I just CBA |
| [19:28:20] | iamlindoro_: | At least I get a nice, clean copy of Heroes every week |
| [19:28:39] | justinh: | replacing a Via C3 at 1Ghz with a core2 duo 1.83GHz mobile chip will be a lot like using a sledgehammer to crack a peanut open but wth |
| [19:28:49] | iamlindoro_: | Even if Season 2 is "turn all the good guys into bad guys, keep all the same bad guys, and kill all the rest." |
| [19:29:07] | justinh: | I've stopped watching season 2 |
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| [19:29:16] | justinh: | just can't face it |
| [19:29:55] | iamlindoro_: | It's not that great. Chuck is good, if only for the OMG amazing chick. |
| [19:30:21] | iamlindoro_: | Maybe it'll shape up on the back 12 eps next year |
| [19:30:35] | justinh: | only watched 3 or 4 episodes so I dunno what you're talking about |
| [19:30:48] | iamlindoro_: | ah well |
| [19:30:50] | justinh: | and I was mostly asleep during them |
| [19:31:12] | iamlindoro_: | Well that speaks well of them |
| [19:31:32] | justinh: | I was a big fan of S1 til the end though. pity this series has lost the plot |
| [19:32:13] | justinh: | stopped watching 24 S3 halfway in too. I gave it a chance |
| [19:32:56] | justinh: | I think most of the time writers take too much for granted but then I can't help feeling the networks have too big a part to play in a show's direction too |
| [19:32:59] | gbee: | haven't changed the folder icon any, other than shrinking it a bit and changing the outline, but it looks better: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/metallurgy_videogallery1.png |
| [19:33:15] | iamlindoro_: | I am waiting on Lost and Galactica to come back... Pushing Daisies is also excellent |
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| [19:33:47] | justinh: | gbee: can't decide. it's nothing I'd dump a theme for though ;) |
| [19:34:08] | iamlindoro_: | And of course I'm waiting for the decent shows from your side of the pond to start up again |
| [19:34:19] | justinh: | we make decent shows?! |
| [19:34:40] | iamlindoro_: | Hey, Doctor Who S4 = Lauren Cooper? Have to watch THAT |
| [19:34:58] | gbee: | I wanted to do something more in-keeping with the rest of the theme, but those background images are too limiting because of the way they get stretched, any detail gets distorted |
| [19:35:09] | justinh: | me, bothered? by dr who having Catherine Tate in it? yes I bloody well am! |
| [19:35:15] | iamlindoro_: | Haha |
| [19:35:36] | iamlindoro_: | Well it seems it'll have everyone else too |
| [19:35:37] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: I read today that Ms Piper will return for 3 episodes |
| [19:35:45] | iamlindoro_: | yeah |
| [19:36:01] | iamlindoro_: | and Jack, and Davros, and Martha Jones, and the kitchen sink... |
| [19:36:18] | justinh: | she's been alright in "secret diary of a call girl".. trash, but in a good way |
| [19:36:30] | justinh: | Martha Jones RIP (I wish) |
| [19:36:53] | iamlindoro_: | I do like Tennant a lot though |
| [19:36:57] | justinh: | and Jack, well he'll prolly die eventually from an extraterrestrial STD |
| [19:37:36] | iamlindoro_: | That makes his head grow to massive size and his body shrivel and fall off? |
| [19:37:59] | justinh: | come to think about it I think I'm really not enjoying TV as much as I used to. must be getting older. everything is the same.. and crap now |
| [19:38:21] | justinh: | latest series of Top Gear has been very so-so, even |
| [19:38:39] | Noble: | motherfucker doctor who spoilers! |
| [19:38:44] | Noble: | aaargh |
| [19:39:00] | justinh: | can't say I've ever seen MFDW. is it any good? |
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| [19:39:20] | Noble: | its got good episodes and bad ones |
| [19:39:41] | Noble: | the mf isn't actually part of the title though |
| [19:39:41] | justinh: | ah yeah the good ones are those not penned by that RTD geezer |
| [19:39:48] | Noble: | yeah, exactly |
| [19:40:00] | iamlindoro_: | blink was actually the best of S3 |
| [19:40:03] | iamlindoro_: | I thought |
| [19:40:04] | Noble: | moffat |
| [19:40:16] | Noble: | needs to be head writer |
| [19:40:23] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: blink was prolly the best of the lot |
| [19:40:32] | Noble: | s3 wasn't very good, in my opinion |
| [19:40:42] | Noble: | and i'm growing to really not like david tennant |
| [19:40:43] | justinh: | s3 will be worse I reckon |
| [19:40:48] | justinh: | er.. s4 |
| [19:41:13] | justinh: | still it has a long way to go down before it gets as bad as it was when Sylvester McCoy was in it |
| [19:41:20] | justinh: | =D |
| [19:41:24] | iamlindoro_: | Heh |
| [19:41:35] | Noble: | he's all, i can do anything implausible with my sonic screwdriver while i prance around like an a.d.d. child |
| [19:41:36] | justinh: | and Colin Baker (shudder) |
| [19:41:51] | justinh: | Noble: so would I. So would I :) |
| [19:41:57] | Noble: | technobabble technobabble technobabble |
| [19:42:16] | code-r: | my X is saying "sis_dri.so" is not loaded.. which rpm is it in |
| [19:42:20] | justinh: | fs. get real. DW without technobabble is like... meh |
| [19:42:37] | iamlindoro_: | Sheesh, you expect to get Myth help in here? We're TRYING to talk TV here |
| [19:42:51] | justinh: | code-r: modprobe sis_dri (ish) |
| [19:43:12] | sinthetek: | when you compile mythtv with lirc support built in, what should i supecify for the 'prog' parameter in my lircrc? |
| [19:43:19] | justinh: | code-r: basically means the kernel module for the VGA stuff isn't loaded |
| [19:43:25] | iamlindoro_: | mythtv |
| [19:43:25] | code-r: | justinh: the file name is not there |
| [19:43:28] | sinthetek: | (ie when not using irevent etc) |
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| [19:43:34] | justinh: | sinthetek: er.. mythtv, as in 'prog = mythtv' |
| [19:43:35] | code-r: | justinh: module itself is not there |
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| [19:43:50] | justinh: | code-r: modprobe -l |grep sis |
| [19:44:01] | Noble2: | wow, that was unusual |
| [19:44:03] | sinthetek: | hmmm... |
| [19:44:08] | iamlindoro_: | *cough* google "sis_dri" fifth result *cough* |
| [19:44:20] | code-r: | justdave: tits not there |
| [19:44:38] | code-r: | hmmm |
| [19:44:44] | code-r: | i was looking for sis_dri rpm |
| [19:44:48] | iamlindoro_: | ah, tits |
| [19:44:55] | sinthetek: | justinh: not mythfrontend? is there something i should enable in the ui? |
| [19:44:58] | iamlindoro_: | code-r, see my comment above |
| [19:45:22] | justinh: | sinthetek: no but you should ensure the lircrc (not .lircrc) file is in ~/.mythtv/ |
| [19:45:45] | justinh: | code-r: ah not a kernel module at all then. derrrrrrrrrrr |
| [19:45:49] | sinthetek: | also, it says i wouldn't need irxevent if i have lirc support compiled in. does that count for if i want to use power button to turn it on/off? |
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| [19:46:19] | iamlindoro_: | You'd probably use irexec for that |
| [19:46:22] | justinh: | how would irxevent or lirc know you'd pressed the power button if it's not powered on? |
| [19:47:23] | sinthetek: | justinh: well, i thought maybe lircd could/would pick it up and maybe there was a lircrc 'exec' variable maybe... i dunno, heh |
| [19:47:27] | sinthetek: | that's why i was asking :P |
| [19:48:35] | justinh: | what it means when it says that is "you don't need irxevent to control mythtv with your remote if you compile lirc support into mythtv" |
| [19:48:50] | iamlindoro_: | There are some fancy ways (not using lirc) to use an ir signal to flip the power switch, however, but probably requires particular receivers and a little soldering |
| [19:49:35] | iamlindoro_: | someone linked an homebrew-looking "internal" MCEUSB IR receiver that had leads added for power-on via IR |
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| [19:50:46] | ** justinh looks up merom core2 duo chip part numbers again ** | |
| [19:51:26] | code-r: | argh,, everythign is installed that should be |
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| [19:52:24] | doc_: | merom is "core duo" |
| [19:52:27] | justinh: | so t5200, t5500, t5600 and t7200 are within grasp. god I'm so desperate now I'm temted to try Bowlers on saturday |
| [19:52:43] | doc_: | oops my bad |
| [19:52:44] | justinh: | doc_: not all are |
| [19:52:46] | doc_: | Yonah is "core duo" |
| [19:52:53] | doc_: | I always get them mixed up :( |
| [19:53:06] | doc_: | My next purchase will probably be a Q6600 :) |
| [19:53:15] | doc_: | which I will promptly OC to 3ghz |
| [19:53:15] | justinh: | I didn't know my core2 from my fsking elbow a few weeks ago til I got burned buying a T7100 |
| [19:53:58] | justinh: | "wooo S479 – I'll have that!". wrong, then it turned out my board wasn't 479 either but socket M. thanks Aopen idiots! |
| [19:54:19] | iamlindoro_: | doc_, my MBE/FE is a Q6600... It's awesome and blazing fast. I'm stock, though... It's in an cramped case and I didn't want to deal with water cooling, couldn't fit a big flower, etc. |
| [19:55:41] | justinh: | I'm hoping my new FE setup is gonna be cool in more than one way |
| [19:57:02] | justinh: | anybody in the UK ever bought mail order from the US? how much is the tax etc? seriously considering buying new now |
| [19:57:24] | justinh: | if the one I 'won' ever turns up I can just dump it on fleabay again |
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| [19:57:51] | doc_: | iamlindoro: I've got a E6400 now thats running at 3.2ghz with air-cooling |
| [19:57:54] | doc_: | and well under temp spec. |
| [19:57:55] | jduggan: | justinh: what happened with the c2d? |
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| [19:58:53] | doc_: | iamlindoro: this is the case I want for my next MBE server:) http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811119140 |
| [19:58:56] | justinh: | jduggan: nothing's happened with it. that's the whole point |
| [19:59:08] | justinh: | looking at buying one in the US & shipping it here |
| [19:59:25] | iamlindoro_: | doc_: I think blue LEDs are the work of the devil. I think the inventor of the Blue LEd should be Sterilized :) |
| [19:59:35] | jduggan: | justinh: you said you got burned? |
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| [19:59:51] | iamlindoro_: | Mine is in a Zalman HD 160 HTPC case... looks like in the living room :) |
| [19:59:52] | sinthetek: | i cannot seem to get lircrc to work, it's in my ~/mythtv, which is a different user than mythtbackend is running, could that be a factor? |
| [19:59:54] | doc_: | yeah I wont plug them in :) |
| [19:59:54] | justinh: | jduggan: only in the sense the seller thought it was S479 and I thought my board was S479 |
| [20:00:09] | sinthetek: | anyone per chance have a working lircrc for a packard bell serial remote? |
| [20:00:11] | doc_: | ahh.. I run everything out of a basement closet in a rack ;) |
| [20:00:13] | justinh: | jduggan: we were both wrong :-\ |
| [20:00:16] | jduggan: | justinh, aha, so neither the board or the chip was 479? |
| [20:00:18] | iamlindoro_: | sinthetek, it should be in .mythtv... that's dot-mythtv, and in the home of the user running the frontend |
| [20:00:22] | jduggan: | thats sucky :) |
| [20:00:33] | justinh: | jduggan: precisely. socket M is what the board is |
| [20:00:49] | sinthetek: | iamlindoro_: yeah, sorry. that's what i meant |
| [20:00:58] | sinthetek: | ".mythtv/lircrc" 24 lines, 402 characters written |
| [20:01:05] | iamlindoro_: | also assure correct permissions and that the file is not corrupt |
| [20:01:09] | justinh: | I bought a celery 2Ghz for £cheap but ended up using it as a space model to mod my heatsink |
| [20:01:26] | justinh: | that didn't fit the socket either so it now has one less pin |
| [20:01:45] | iamlindoro_: | and, of course, test all your buttons with irw first to make sure lircd.conf is setup correctly |
| [20:01:48] | sinthetek: | i made the entries based on http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html#ss8.4, just made 4 for the directional arrows to test |
| [20:02:12] | sinthetek: | yeah, tested with irw already |
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| [20:02:44] | iamlindoro_: | ok, well if your irw works, then your issue is with permissions or incorrect format of your lircrc |
| [20:02:58] | sinthetek: | -rw-r--r-- 1 sinthetek users 402 2007-11–27 14:54 /home/sinthetek/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [20:03:10] | sinthetek: | i'll post a link for my lircrc |
| [20:03:27] | andrewju: | Sorry to interrupt... :) Does anybody remember how to "filter" channels in LiveTV? I mean I'd like to have only a small group of channels that are watched by everybody while the rest are "hidden" from the menus but not deleted from Myth... I mean there are quite a lot of channels we don't normally watch, therefore I want not to have them in the OSD/GUI but I still don't want to delete them completely. I think I saw an article on that but I can't find |
| [20:03:41] | sinthetek: | www.mentalcases.net/~sinthetek/lircrc |
| [20:03:57] | iamlindoro_: | Your config lines are all wrong |
| [20:04:34] | iamlindoro_: | eg, Up button: config = Up |
| [20:04:46] | justinh: | youch! seems the USD > GBP rate isn't working much in my favour either! |
| [20:05:05] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, off to lunch, that ought to get you fixed |
| [20:05:07] | sinthetek: | sorry, just trying to go by what was in the link for testing purposes for starters |
| [20:05:28] | sinthetek: | do you have a better link for the 'config'options for? would they be on lirc site or mythtv site? |
| [20:05:39] | sinthetek: | for lircrc* |
| [20:05:47] | sinthetek: | with mythtv** |
| [20:06:58] | espacious: | why my mythbuntu frontend on kubuntu crashes? i would like it to start it BUT i dont have a backend, is it possible to start only the frontend? after the database settings come up i hit next an it quits |
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| [20:09:59] | gbee: | justinh: made the change you suggested to the folder icon (node editing, euck) http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/metallurgy_videogallery3.png |
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| [20:11:10] | gbee: | about as much work as I'm prepared to do on a single screen of a plugin I almost never use |
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| [20:14:21] | justinh: | gbee: much better now :) fwiw |
| [20:14:44] | justinh: | espacious: mythtv needs a backend |
| [20:16:51] | espacious: | justdave hmm so i cannot play. eg a local movie or mp3 oly with frontend? |
| [20:19:07] | justinh: | nope |
| [20:20:01] | justinh: | well technically you can, but it still needs a database |
| [20:20:22] | justinh: | if you just want a dumb media player, mythtv prolly isn't for you |
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| [20:30:26] | espacious: | justinh i want just setup and see frontend and read about capatibilities, later comes backend... |
| [20:30:40] | code-r: | where can i find SIS DRI drivers for X? |
| [20:30:40] | espacious: | tnx anyway |
| [20:30:47] | justinh: | the backend is for the tv part of mythtv |
| [20:30:59] | justinh: | you still need a database to hold info about music & videos though |
| [20:31:32] | espacious: | yp right |
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| [20:33:15] | gbee: | mythtv isn't kaffeine, xine, mplayer, vlc etc It's a fully featured media centre designed to be used with TVs, remote controls and dedicated machines |
| [20:33:43] | espacious: | justinh yesterday i asked also if it is possible to have backend in virtual machine and if it wold recognize the TV card |
| [20:34:01] | espacious: | what about that? |
| [20:34:02] | justinh: | argghh wtf is it with you lot & virtual machines? |
| [20:34:18] | gbee: | which doesn't mean that you have to use a TV, remote or dedicated machine but that you should understand where it's targeted before considering it as a replacement for a desktop media playback application |
| [20:36:36] | justinh: | if the backend crashes, the backend crashes. not the whole machine :) |
| [20:37:12] | kormoc: | espacious, most drivers require direct hardware access to the card, VM's tend not to allow that |
| [20:37:24] | espacious: | yes i get that sorry , but im planning eaven put a new machine.. i was just curious if i can use some cpu from my winsrv... |
| [20:37:55] | espacious: | +kormoc jp ... |
| [20:38:09] | espacious: | +kormoc but usb is suported finaly |
| [20:38:21] | druggo: | have anyone here had any luck in getting a Twinhan (mantis ci 3030, ter dvb-t) working? |
| [20:38:39] | espacious: | so tnx for the UP. |
| [20:38:39] | justinh: | druggo: not me, and I suspect not even Twinhan :P |
| [20:39:15] | druggo: | i doubt that card is linux compatible :D |
| [20:39:36] | justinh: | druggo: if in doubt check the v4l & linuxtv mailing list archives & wiki |
| [20:39:47] | druggo: | some manu guy wrote some driver for it back in 2003, after that i cant find any info, even tried hacking bttv-cards.c and adding my pci id, still no luck :( |
| [20:40:05] | druggo: | (and recompiled bttv kernel module ofc) |
| [20:40:23] | justinh: | you need dvb modules for DVB tuners funnily enough |
| [20:41:03] | druggo: | dvb-bttv |
| [20:41:26] | justinh: | you could always try #linuxtv and be patient waiting for an answer. they're really good |
| [20:41:50] | druggo: | cool |
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| [20:52:30] | code-r: | any one where i can find sis-dri.so Please |
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| [20:54:33] | iamlindoro_: | code-r, you were given an answer the last time you asked that. If you just GOOGLE sis_dri, your answer is in the first FIVE results |
| [20:55:02] | code-r: | i found this "Disable sis dri driver for now, only builds on x86 and x86–64. |
| [20:55:13] | code-r: | in the lastest dam release of MESA |
| [20:55:15] | iamlindoro_: | Look for the reply to the message that goes "X is complaining that this file is missing and I cannot find an RPM..." |
| [20:55:16] | code-r: | iamlindoro: its not THAT easy |
| [20:55:38] | code-r: | i HAVE been googling and found that sis-dri has been disabled in the latest build |
| [20:56:09] | code-r: | iamlindoro: the sites you reffer to are for FEDORA CORE4 im running 6 |
| [20:56:51] | iamlindoro_: | Your solution is NOT to copy in some random .so, it's to fix your installation. Also, the link I am referring to is FC5, and finally, this is a mythtv help room, not a fix-your-linux room |
| [20:57:45] | code-r: | iamlindoro: yes, but myth barly runs w/o DRI enabled. so my myth box is suffering |
| [20:58:01] | code-r: | iamlindoro: next, its not a "curropt os" its me not knowing something that i need. |
| [20:58:14] | code-r: | iamlindoro: finaly the site is dated.... that was a simple YUM fix. this isnt |
| [20:58:15] | iamlindoro_: | nobody said your OS was corrupt |
| [20:58:23] | code-r: | "fix your installation" |
| [20:58:27] | iamlindoro_: | yup |
| [20:58:29] | iamlindoro_: | do that |
| [20:58:36] | code-r: | HOW am i to fix it |
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| [20:58:50] | iamlindoro_: | I'd suggest you try somewhere where they support fedora |
| [20:58:56] | iamlindoro_: | specifically |
| [20:59:23] | iamlindoro_: | rather than continuing to ask the same question somewhere where it's off topic |
| [20:59:25] | code-r: | lol #fedora is invite only :-P |
| [20:59:35] | code-r: | iamlindoro: ok let me make it on topic |
| [20:59:48] | code-r: | My MythTV box rendering is so krappy. it flickers and everything, any one know why |
| [20:59:50] | code-r: | (hows that) |
| [20:59:54] | iamlindoro_: | *sigh* |
| [21:00:03] | iamlindoro_: | ok, just keep asking your question. Good luck |
| [21:00:18] | code-r: | iamlindoro_: Sigh... |
| [21:00:41] | code-r: | iamlindoro_: Ive helped 1000 peopels with noob questions, and silly questions here in this channel, why is it when IM a noob i get pointed to a door :-S |
| [21:03:41] | kslater: | code-r, there can be lots of reasons why your output looks bad |
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| [21:04:43] | code-r: | kslater: i saw a message in my Xorg saying sis-dri.so is missing.. could that be it?> |
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| [21:05:16] | kslater: | I suppose it depends on what krappy is |
| [21:05:28] | code-r: | kslater: "gear" visuallisation flikers |
| [21:05:34] | kslater: | gear? |
| [21:05:37] | code-r: | gears |
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| [21:05:43] | code-r: | the mythmusic visualisation |
| [21:05:49] | code-r: | redraw seems so slow |
| [21:05:49] | kslater: | ok |
| [21:05:58] | code-r: | mpegs play slow |
| [21:06:01] | code-r: | choppy |
| [21:06:11] | kslater: | what framerate do you get when you run the gears demo? |
| [21:06:29] | code-r: | donno. but the redraw is REALLLY bad |
| [21:06:40] | code-r: | like you can SEE the gear being drawn (quicky but u can actualy see it) |
| [21:06:49] | kslater: | if you don't have dri for X, you probably need to get that working |
| [21:07:08] | iamlindoro_: | code-r, what is your video card |
| [21:07:09] | cmoates: | and ensure you're not pointing to the software mesa gl renderer |
| [21:07:24] | code-r: | kslater: i installed mesa, but it didnt come with the sis-dri file, even though it should. I saw some changelog saying that sis-dri was disabled |
| [21:07:38] | cmoates: | without dri it's going to be dirt slow |
| [21:07:43] | iamlindoro_: | because if it's not an SIS graphics card, then that .so being missing is irrelevant |
| [21:07:43] | kslater: | what distribution? |
| [21:07:57] | code-r: | iamlindoro_: it IS a sis card |
| [21:08:01] | code-r: | kslater: fedora code 6 |
| [21:08:08] | code-r: | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 31) |
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| [21:08:29] | iamlindoro_: | In that case, if SIS DRI is disable in that build, then adding that .so won't do you any good anyway |
| [21:08:33] | kslater: | sounds like something on the motherboard, yes? |
| [21:08:40] | code-r: | yep |
| [21:08:50] | code-r: | integrated board, on my frontend |
| [21:08:55] | cmoates: | http://www.winischhofer.net/sisdri.shtml |
| [21:08:58] | cmoates: | Take a look at that yet? |
| [21:09:03] | kslater: | ok, have you considered it might be better to get a well known card instead? |
| [21:09:30] | code-r: | kslater: yes, but i'd rather use that for a more powerfull computer. |
| [21:09:31] | kslater: | if not, YOU need to be prepared to solve the hardware issues before you ask about Myth |
| [21:10:18] | kslater: | myth works with tons of hardware, but the corner-cases get worked out by users for the most part. |
| [21:10:59] | fryfrog: | code-r: an Xorg chan might have more info? |
| [21:11:05] | fryfrog: | or google for your card? |
| [21:11:11] | kslater: | a PCI NVidia card can be pretty darn cheap. How much is your time worth? |
| [21:11:23] | code-r: | fryfrog: an x-org channels i dead |
| [21:11:32] | fryfrog: | yeah, pci/agp/pci-e nvidia card for $30 is *really* worth it in linux |
| [21:11:52] | fryfrog: | i use an old gf4 in one of my front ends, you don't have one of those just laying around? |
| [21:11:52] | code-r: | sad part is this board worked FINE like a year ago! |
| [21:12:05] | cmoates: | It's not the board, it's the X configuration |
| [21:12:13] | code-r: | fryfrog: most of my baords are ati |
| [21:12:19] | cmoates: | doh |
| [21:12:25] | code-r: | yeh :-S |
| [21:12:29] | kslater: | And I'm sure you could get it working fine now too, but you're going to have to do some work to that end. |
| [21:12:34] | code-r: | id rather not use up valuble pci slots |
| [21:12:41] | cmoates: | That link I pasted specifically deals with getting DRI up and running on your video card, code-r |
| [21:12:58] | kslater: | unless someone happens to have your same hardware and is listening in |
| [21:13:17] | kslater: | seems like an answer to me.. :-) |
| [21:13:24] | code-r: | but ita talkes about XFREE not XORG :-S |
| [21:13:29] | cmoates: | It mentions both |
| [21:13:54] | kslater: | not all that different in any case |
| [21:13:57] | code-r: | nop required for XFree86 with DRI and required for XFree86 without DRI |
| [21:14:16] | cmoates: | "XFree86 4.3 does not come with a SiS DRI driver. You need 4.2 or 4.4 or X.org 6.7 for being able to use DRI." |
| [21:14:37] | code-r: | is "X" Xorg? |
| [21:14:47] | code-r: | "I want to use X with DRI but I don't want/have sisfb." |
| [21:14:53] | ** iamlindoro_ weeps for the literacy of his generation. ** | |
| [21:14:57] | cmoates: | X is a generic name for many X11 implementations |
| [21:15:09] | kslater: | hehe |
| [21:15:29] | code-r: | see all of them talk about |
| [21:15:30] | code-r: | "Download and install the latest XFree86 driver (sis_drv.o) for your version of XFree86." |
| [21:15:46] | cmoates: | you can freely substitue xorg where they mention xfree, most likely |
| [21:15:52] | cmoates: | it is a fork, after all |
| [21:16:10] | kormoc: | a fork with a ton of changes... |
| [21:16:18] | cmoates: | But, if you care to do your own googling instead of having me do it for you, maybe you can find a page that uses the word xorg instead |
| [21:16:27] | cmoates: | kormoc, I didn't say it was a trivial fork :) |
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| [21:17:23] | code-r: | "(2007/10/06) Despite of what is written below: Development is ceased. The source of the Premium version is available for download here. THERE IS NO SUPPORT WHATSOEVER FOR THIS CODE. A BINARY IS NOT AVAILABLE." |
| [21:17:25] | code-r: | LOL |
| [21:17:38] | code-r: | cmoates: i been to that page but somethign didnt work... im trying AGAIN |
| [21:17:54] | BULLE: | code-r: what source of what premium version ? |
| [21:17:55] | kslater: | which is why I asked how much is your time worth. |
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| [21:18:03] | cmoates: | None of us seem to have experience with SIS cards, so I'm not sure what you expect to get from us |
| [21:18:06] | code-r: | thats whta it says on the "download" aprt on the sit you told me |
| [21:18:31] | justinh: | maybe there IS something outfits like SD could do to make sure they're not making a profit. buy people with lame VGA gear a nvidia card :D |
| [21:18:38] | code-r: | hmm damit having xorg devel stuff coudl help :-P |
| [21:18:57] | kslater: | hehe |
| [21:19:07] | cmoates: | There are apparently rpm's with the various bits and pieces, it looks like |
| [21:19:12] | cmoates: | xorg-x11-drv-sis for one |
| [21:19:28] | ** kslater is beginning to grok some of the frustration of helping people. ** | |
| [21:19:40] | code-r: | [root@localhost src]# rpm -qa | grep drv-sis |
| [21:19:40] | code-r: | xorg-x11-drv-sis-0.9.1–7 |
| [21:19:40] | code-r: | xorg-x11-drv-sisusb-0.8.1–4.1 |
| [21:19:55] | code-r: | looks like its installed. but no module :-S |
| [21:20:12] | iamlindoro_: | I am seriously creeping in to the red zone |
| [21:20:13] | cmoates: | http://www.lemis.com/grog/HOWTO/mythtv-setup.html |
| [21:20:19] | cmoates: | There's another page talking abot myth and sis |
| [21:20:28] | cmoates: | But I don't know if it's going to talk about DRI or not |
| [21:20:34] | cmoates: | google is your friend |
| [21:20:47] | code-r: | cmoates: unless you dont know what to search for.. or your missing some knowledge |
| [21:20:56] | code-r: | cmoates: i been googling for the past 3 hours |
| [21:21:12] | kslater: | ok, but now you have new knowledge |
| [21:21:14] | cmoates: | We've told you what you need to google for. You need to get DRI running on your SIS video card |
| [21:21:18] | kslater: | ;-) |
| [21:21:22] | code-r: | kslater: yesa and googling some more.. |
| [21:21:49] | cmoates: | Configuring multiple lirc processes is less painful than this ;) |
| [21:21:58] | kslater: | getting myth running can be quite the adventure. |
| [21:22:17] | code-r: | cmoates: i though some one whold know. cause int he MESA SOURCE there is mention of it.. i though it was somethign simpler i wasnt missing :-S |
| [21:22:34] | kslater: | code-r: look at it like climbing a mountain. If it was easy, you wouldn't feel elated when it works well. |
| [21:22:37] | cmoates: | Mesa appears to be running just fine, it's limited by the lack of DRI |
| [21:22:43] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/default.mspx |
| [21:22:52] | justinh: | kslater: it's a lot harder to break a mountain though ;) |
| [21:22:53] | cmoates: | iamlindoro_ ;) |
| [21:23:03] | kslater: | hehe |
| [21:23:31] | sinthetek: | does anyone know where i can get a list of lircrc 'config' variables for use when mythtv is compiled with native lirc support? |
| [21:23:33] | code-r: | kslater: yes, well thank you for all your help, as reluctenat as some of might have been! |
| [21:23:39] | code-r: | its hard to find good help these days... |
| [21:23:51] | kormoc: | code-r, esp when you don't want to pay for it... |
| [21:23:56] | iamlindoro_: | sinthetek, what distro you on? |
| [21:24:05] | cmoates: | And when you don't take the help your given without a fight... |
| [21:24:09] | code-r: | +kormoc: is that not why we are all using mythtv? |
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| [21:24:22] | cmoates: | Not wanting to pay has nothing to do with myth |
| [21:24:25] | code-r: | +kormoc: and to be fair i do return the favour when i can helping other sout.. |
| [21:24:28] | iamlindoro_: | If Ubuntu Gutsy, you might want to try apt-getting mythbuntu-lirc-generator, and then just changing the config it sets up |
| [21:24:29] | cmoates: | It's almost always more expensive to go the myth route |
| [21:24:39] | sinthetek: | ie what do i put on 'config =' for pgup or the brightness menu or someting |
| [21:24:49] | sinthetek: | iamlindoro: gentoo |
| [21:24:57] | iamlindoro_: | ok, hang on, will give a link |
| [21:24:59] | kormoc: | code-r, personally, I don't ask in a myth channel about why something rather unrelated isn't working, nor do I bitch if people don't feel like helping me out. |
| [21:24:59] | justinh: | cmoates: there are people in here (I think they mostly live under the bridge just there) who'd disagree with you |
| [21:25:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [21:25:24] | cmoates: | justinh, I'm sure there are. But it'd be way cheaper for me to buy a Tivo3 ;) |
| [21:25:34] | cmoates: | And I'd get my pay channels in HD too |
| [21:25:35] | sinthetek: | i tried a lircrc config generator link on a gentoo mythtv/lirc wiki or some such, but it didn't seem to like my lircd.conf... |
| [21:25:42] | code-r: | +kormoc: personaly i dont think every one is as intellegent as you and can figure EVERYTHIGN on their own, but thanx for all your help. |
| [21:25:43] | justinh: | personally I dont see myth as a way of saving money either. my time is worth more than a Sky Plus box costs |
| [21:26:14] | cmoates: | Yeah, I don't even include the time invested |
| [21:26:17] | kormoc: | code-r, it's not that, it's more I don't mind if it takes me a week or a month to find the right answer, or the right place to ask |
| [21:26:18] | code-r: | what have i done :( |
| [21:26:18] | sinthetek: | when i went to upload, it just listed as blank and i couldn't really select it or use it to generate anything. subsequent attempts to replace/re-upload were fruitless |
| [21:26:19] | cmoates: | It would make me cry ;) |
| [21:26:58] | justinh: | sinthetek: making a lircrc file ain't rocket science though |
| [21:27:05] | sinthetek: | i managed to google a lircrc for my remote but the codes were all for irxevent and using those 'confg ='s like i was told not to use earlier |
| [21:27:05] | code-r: | +kormoc: you know i fought with DVB for a year untill i got it working properly.. this isnt about quick fixes and quick solutions... |
| [21:27:31] | sinthetek: | justinh: no, but it's kinda hard to just guess all the possible values for a given variable :P |
| [21:27:34] | code-r: | i didnt mean to start an uprising.. im sorry |
| [21:27:45] | sinthetek: | justinh: that's all i asked for just now |
| [21:27:46] | justinh: | sinthetek: there aren't many unknowns |
| [21:27:58] | kslater: | good luck code-r |
| [21:28:17] | justinh: | look at the button name in lircd.conf, go into a ready-made lircrc file and just substitute things :) |
| [21:28:17] | cmoates: | code-r, I do indeed hope that you get DRI working |
| [21:28:21] | sinthetek: | justinh: so then you're just holding out to be mean? :P |
| [21:28:24] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Keybindings |
| [21:28:36] | code-r: | cmoates: you guys pointed me in the right direction, what more could i have hoped for, thanx |
| [21:28:41] | iamlindoro_: | sinthetek, look at that link, in the parts marked "lirc keystroke" |
| [21:28:47] | justinh: | sinthetek: no, but I might give hints that let you make the connection |
| [21:28:56] | sinthetek: | iamlindro_: awesome! and those are all values i can set to my remote buttons? |
| [21:29:06] | justinh: | itbaffled me for a while I have to admit but damn i felt silly when I worked it out |
| [21:29:08] | iamlindoro_: | for myth, anyway |
| [21:29:40] | justinh: | sinthetek: I did it armed with only an example lircrc file and a keys.txt file to follow |
| [21:29:52] | code-r: | on a differnt note, i got a segfault in mythzmserver, where should i report it |
| [21:30:53] | cmoates: | sinthetek, my lircrc file: http://www.mox.net/~six/lircrc |
| [21:31:17] | justinh: | if the button name in lircd.conf is "Play", put prog = mythtv button = Play config = P in lircrc ;) |
| [21:31:17] | cmoates: | combine that with the wiki link and your remote's config file, and you should be able to cobble your own .lircrc together |
| [21:31:26] | sinthetek: | justinh: my first lircrc example was tainted and i had no keys.txt that i knew of. i wasted like an hr playing around earlier with that stupid lircrc on the mythtv site... |
| [21:31:37] | sinthetek: | :P |
| [21:31:48] | sinthetek: | cmoates: grazi, i'll check it out |
| [21:31:48] | justinh: | sinthetek: well to even stand a chance you have to know which keypresses in mythtv do which things |
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| [21:32:16] | ** sinthetek prepares to butcher all these configs and make one super lircrc mutant-hybrid mythtv config ** | |
| [21:32:36] | justinh: | one thing I rarely do is do what users ask for, for them. they learn nothing from that |
| [21:34:24] | justinh: | sinthetek: one other important thing – make sure the case of the button names in lircrc & lircd.conf agree. 'Play' is not the same as 'play' |
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| [21:37:37] | Dibblah: | janneg: I was wrong. BBC HD works on my T5500 with about 70% of both cores. |
| [21:38:31] | Dibblah: | That's with the PTS patch (deblocking still enabled). |
| [21:38:50] | Dibblah: | I don't see why the PTS is getting it so wrong... |
| [21:40:34] | fryfrog: | anyone using svn trunk from recent and have any suggestions for decode settings? |
| [21:40:40] | fryfrog: | you know, the CPU++ type stuff |
| [21:40:41] | janneg: | Dibblah: good to hear. I don't know why the pts patch helps. we are currently using the dts as timestamp for the frame |
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| [21:41:49] | Dibblah: | If you think of anything, I have a live system here that exhibits the symptoms :) |
| [21:41:50] | janneg: | the dts should be monotone. using it will create a small av-sync error but otherwise it should be fine |
| [21:41:57] | Dibblah: | ... Can compile, can debug. |
| [21:41:58] | iamlindoro_: | fryfrog, if you find any that work better than the defaults, let me know... I have processor to spare and have it set to the maximum, but haven't experimented with customizing |
| [21:42:20] | fryfrog: | my cpu *should* be able to keep up with HD, but it gets tons of audio buffer underruns :( |
| [21:42:24] | fryfrog: | and uses like 160% cpu |
| [21:42:33] | Dibblah: | fryfrog: Which channel? |
| [21:42:40] | Dibblah: | And with or without the patches? |
| [21:42:45] | fryfrog: | what patches? |
| [21:42:49] | fryfrog: | and any channel :( |
| [21:43:05] | fryfrog: | old recordings from firewire, new recordings from air2pc card and x264 content |
| [21:43:27] | Dibblah: | Patch rollup (From janneg) posted by "Riz". |
| [21:43:35] | janneg: | Dibblah: nah, I can reproduce it here too. I just hadn't the time to implement propper timestamp calculations for video frames |
| [21:43:39] | fryfrog: | in the svn trac? |
| [21:43:49] | janneg: | dev list |
| [21:44:04] | Dibblah: | Don't disable deblocking (the last part of the patch) unless you have to – It's one of the real quality improvements of h.264. |
| [21:44:28] | fryfrog: | what is the subject of this email? |
| [21:44:33] | Dibblah: | janneg: Right. Sorry I can't give you some time :( |
| [21:44:44] | Dibblah: | h.264 multithreading |
| [21:45:06] | fryfrog: | *most* of my hd is *not* h264/x264 :( |
| [21:45:20] | fryfrog: | do you think that matters? |
| [21:45:42] | Dibblah: | Well, if your system can't do mpeg HD, you haven't got a chance of h.264. |
| [21:45:50] | fryfrog: | it can |
| [21:45:59] | fryfrog: | in fact, it *used* to do it on a single core 3200+ |
| [21:46:08] | fryfrog: | something about myth changed :( |
| [21:46:38] | iamlindoro_: | "You've changed, man. You used to be cool." |
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| [21:49:35] | sinthetek: | can you define the same buttons to do multiple things? like say make the up-arrow scroll through the list in schedule mode but act as pause in playback? |
| [21:50:09] | sinthetek: | or would it do that automatically? |
| [21:50:47] | iamlindoro_: | sinthetek, within the same program, no, one key = one binding |
| [21:51:03] | janneg: | Dibblah: it's not that I haven't time for mythtv, just too much to do for the time. working atm on the qt4 prot |
| [21:51:14] | janneg: | s/prot/port/ |
| [21:51:33] | Dibblah: | If there's any code monkey stuff... |
| [21:52:29] | Dibblah: | sinthetek: Yes. Keymappings have a context. |
| [21:52:31] | janneg: | no, I think CDev did most of that already |
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| [21:52:52] | janneg: | it's now fixing various stuff |
| [21:52:53] | Dibblah: | Is the branch up to date? |
| [21:53:05] | Dibblah: | (With your current development) |
| [21:54:03] | sinthetek: | Dibblah: i guess i'm just having a hard time conceptualizing how the remote correlates with the keymappings in some contexts |
| [21:54:13] | janneg: | I have some little changes fixing null/empty strings in SQL queries. I don't know if CDev has local modifications |
| [21:54:30] | Dibblah: | Okay. Just wondering :) |
| [21:54:52] | sinthetek: | Dibblah: ie there are separate keystrokes for up-arrow and play, but i'm used to using the same key for both :P |
| [21:55:21] | fryfrog: | do you need a specific version of ffmpeg installed? or is that compiled into myth? |
| [21:55:44] | fryfrog: | sinthetek: in myth, the "up" arrow during playback is bound to jump back/forward |
| [21:56:01] | sinthetek: | since my remote doesn't have play anyway, i thought i'd ask if it was necessary to define it that way |
| [21:56:15] | fryfrog: | you can define keys any way you lke |
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| [21:56:23] | fryfrog: | you might have to look for conflicts |
| [21:56:23] | janneg: | it's not useable atm. frontend segfaults instantly, mythtv-setup has is unuseable (inserts junk into the DB), I'm fixing the backend scheduler und EIT insert queries |
| [21:56:27] | black_Nightmare_: | anyone here used geforce3 cards? |
| [21:56:39] | sinthetek: | fryfrog: usually i'm using the arrows for ff and rw when i use it |
| [21:56:41] | cmoates: | I have a particular channel (my local fox affiliate) which I can't seem to get to populate with schedule data from schedules direct. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| [21:57:22] | fryfrog: | sinthetek: left and right are usually bound to 30 sec skip, up down to a bigger "jump" |
| [21:57:25] | fryfrog: | default is 10min i think |
| [21:57:37] | iamlindoro_: | cmoates, but SD has a schedule for it, right? |
| [21:57:40] | cmoates: | Yes |
| [21:57:47] | cmoates: | I see it in my lineup |
| [21:58:01] | cmoates: | But, I can't tell how to get mythfilldatabase to show me the files I'm getting from SD |
| [21:58:02] | sinthetek: | fryfrog: mine goes to 3x regular speed with left/right arrows, and up arrow just makes it play |
| [21:58:06] | cmoates: | So I can verify the data is really in there |
| [21:58:27] | sinthetek: | fryfrog: up/down do skip 10 min, but only if the video is in play or pause mode already |
| [21:58:34] | iamlindoro_: | Log in to SD, do the "report" for your lineup |
| [21:58:42] | gbee: | sinthetek: grab an MCE remote, they sell pretty cheap and are perfect for mythtv, all the right buttons, nice sizes with a good layout plus it lights up in the dark |
| [21:58:45] | iamlindoro_: | get the xmlid for your channel, and put it in manually in mythweb |
| [21:58:52] | iamlindoro_: | Then save and run mythfilldatabase. |
| [21:59:13] | cmoates: | The "report linup problems?" |
| [21:59:14] | gbee: | a good remote can make a big difference |
| [21:59:16] | iamlindoro_: | No |
| [21:59:30] | iamlindoro_: | on the right of your lineup, there's a "Edit, Report, somethingelse" |
| [21:59:32] | cmoates: | Oh I seee it |
| [21:59:33] | iamlindoro_: | click report |
| [21:59:33] | cmoates: | yeah |
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| [21:59:43] | cmoates: | So verify the xmlid's match |
| [21:59:46] | cmoates: | ok |
| [21:59:54] | iamlindoro_: | Right, and edit/insert as necessary |
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| [22:01:41] | Dibblah: | janneg: Heh. Fast forwarding... Doesn't work too well. :) |
| [22:02:29] | cmoates: | iamlindoro_, it was blank, thanks for the pointer, I didn't realize I could get the XML id's from SD |
| [22:02:39] | iamlindoro_: | no problem |
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| [22:05:54] | Saviq: | hi guys, can anyone help on AC3 passthrough on a SB Live! card? |
| [22:06:07] | Saviq: | I have it working fine in mythtv |
| [22:06:11] | code-r: | ok um any one ever see this problem before? |
| [22:06:11] | code-r: | X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/sis_drv.so: undefined symbol: xorgGetVersion |
| [22:06:30] | Saviq: | but when playing DVB all I get is a lot of noise |
| [22:06:36] | janneg: | Dibblah: segfault or slow? |
| [22:06:49] | Dibblah: | Slow, then segfault. |
| [22:06:57] | Dibblah: | Oddly, little CPU usage. |
| [22:07:20] | Dibblah: | Unfortunately, I didn't catch it. Maybe later. |
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| [22:19:44] | cmoates: | Anyone know where I can find (on the wiki, I presume) the information about the different "codes" when locking a channel with QAM? |
| [22:19:54] | cmoates: | I get LAMc, and I'm not sure what those letters each indicate, specifically the c |
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| [22:22:48] | Dibblah: | c means the station was not decrypted. |
| [22:22:59] | Dibblah: | C would mean successful decryption. |
| [22:24:12] | cmoates: | Ah, ok, so c means it's an encrypted channel, which means I can remove it from my lineup, great, thank you |
| [22:24:23] | cmoates: | Do you know where I can find a reference to the various letters? |
| [22:25:50] | cmoates: | Or what they might be called, so I can search for it? |
| [22:31:53] | justdave: | people sure seem to confuse me with justinh a lot in here. :) silly tab complete |
| [22:32:25] | justdave: | I like the tab-complete in irssi, it defaults to the last matching person who spoke on the channel first before falling back on alphabetical order |
| [22:33:50] | Dibblah: | I'm having odd problems here. |
| [22:34:06] | Dibblah: | Myth is leaving zombies. |
| [22:34:14] | Dibblah: | When killed. |
| [22:34:38] | Dibblah: | I get the feeling it's a problem with this video card. |
| [22:40:26] | Dibblah: | Anyone any idea how to find the zombie thread? |
| [22:42:14] | Yahooadam: | htop |
| [22:45:18] | iamlindoro_: | ps -ef |grep defunct would work, no? |
| [22:53:44] | Dibblah: | Thread and context, not process. |
| [22:59:19] | justinh: | justdave: I've noticed that too. hope no offense is taken ;) |
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| [23:07:29] | defaultro: | is it guys that I'm losing quality because I'm outputting via RGBHV? |
| [23:07:36] | jimmygoon: | Does xbmc-mythtv work well? |
| [23:07:50] | defaultro: | I would like to troubleshoot to pinpoint what the cause is |
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| [23:08:03] | defaultro: | any ideas on how to troubleshoot |
| [23:08:21] | justinh: | jimmygoon: used to work pretty well but I don't use it anymore |
| [23:08:38] | iamlindoro_: | defaultro, while it's theoretically possible to lose some quality since it goes analog there, it wouldn't be my first assumption if you are having quality issues |
| [23:08:49] | jimmygoon: | justinh, have any idea what the max rez its capable of outputting? |
| [23:08:59] | justinh: | 720p IIRC |
| [23:09:42] | defaultro: | iamlindoro, http://restricted.dyndns.org/comedian.png |
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| [23:10:03] | defaultro: | it is very obvious on the top curtain, the color blue changing to red is not smooth |
| [23:10:29] | justinh: | jimmygoon: I found the xbox way too noisy for my livingroom though |
| [23:10:41] | defaultro: | but when I was watching via DCT6200, the gradient on the curtain was very smooth |
| [23:10:50] | defaultro: | so I don't know what the real issue is |
| [23:10:56] | jimmygoon: | justinh, grr, that is a good point. I could remove the dvd drive... :S |
| [23:11:00] | iamlindoro_: | defaultro, what are you capturing via? |
| [23:11:03] | ** justinh fires off another email to the ebay seller, bowing & scraping ** | |
| [23:11:16] | justinh: | jimmygoon: the dvd drive isn't the noisy thing. it's the CPU fan |
| [23:11:17] | defaultro: | it's a highdef program via Dvico Fusion HDTV lite card |
| [23:11:26] | jimmygoon: | justinh, :( |
| [23:11:29] | iamlindoro_: | OK, so straight MPeg-2 stream |
| [23:11:34] | defaultro: | yep |
| [23:11:40] | iamlindoro_: | Well, it's entirely possible your cable box does some smoothing |
| [23:11:41] | BULLE: | justinh: what happened, why bowing & scraping to the seller ? |
| [23:11:57] | justinh: | jimmygoon: in general use I found it crashy but that didnt matter much since it's very quick to reboot ;) |
| [23:11:59] | iamlindoro_: | or other enhancement. You might try playing with some of the myth video filters and seeing if any of them achieve the effect you want |
| [23:12:02] | defaultro: | i don't think it's smoothing because the gradient is really perfect |
| [23:12:06] | jimmygoon: | justinh, oh |
| [23:12:10] | jimmygoon: | crashy = bad :( |
| [23:12:11] | iamlindoro_: | because, from looking at this, it's really pretty good as far as I'm concerned |
| [23:12:18] | directhex: | mpeg2 sucks |
| [23:12:19] | defaultro: | transition of color blue to red, or the blending is really smooth and not in blocks |
| [23:12:29] | clever: | justinh: my main fe with tvout is on the other side of the room(relative to the tv) |
| [23:12:31] | jimmygoon: | justinh, hum, the xbox broke but I think I'm going to be able to fix it with my chip and it would be a free front end and I was told the budget I had originally planned was not acceptable :( |
| [23:12:46] | defaultro: | open it in photoshop then turn up brightness, you will see the blocking that I am talking aobut |
| [23:12:48] | justinh: | BULLE: just wondering wtf is going on with it really. ebay still think the item is pending payment but it isn't. seller hasn't replied to any of my emails yet |
| [23:12:51] | clever: | justinh and the 2 desktops have been there fans blaring away for weeks before i even got myth |
| [23:13:03] | BULLE: | justinh: oh, annoying |
| [23:13:07] | BULLE: | justinh: just tell ebay that then ? |
| [23:13:57] | BigJ: | jimmygoon, are u running a xbox as ur frontend? |
| [23:14:21] | jimmygoon: | BigJ, nah my xbox is broke, but I want it to be if/when I can fix it |
| [23:14:42] | BigJ: | jimmygoon, were you ever able to use it as a frontend before? I am thinking of doing the same thing. |
| [23:14:55] | jimmygoon: | BigJ, nah, never really tried |
| [23:15:12] | jimmygoon: | I used xbmc a lot and it is wonderful but never tried myth on it or xbmc-myth |
| [23:15:23] | BigJ: | ya xbmc is amazing |
| [23:15:27] | BigJ: | way better than the 360 version |
| [23:15:32] | justinh: | xbmc is a file browser |
| [23:15:38] | jimmygoon: | justinh, thats not true |
| [23:15:38] | jimmygoon: | :( |
| [23:15:45] | jimmygoon: | http://sourceforge.net/projects/xbmcmythtv/ |
| [23:15:48] | justinh: | most of it is |
| [23:15:56] | iamlindoro_: | defaultro, well, the only place you are going analog is in those cables, so that might account for something |
| [23:15:59] | jimmygoon: | I forgot xbox could do pxeboot with a mod chip |
| [23:16:00] | BigJ: | it's also a dashboard if you want it to be |
| [23:16:04] | justinh: | xbmcmythtv & some other pyton scripts add a little value to it |
| [23:16:17] | iamlindoro_: | more likely the rendering of that mpeg data is done better on your cable box than it is by ffmpeg |
| [23:16:29] | justinh: | it has kickass visualisers, I'll give it that |
| [23:16:50] | godzirra: | How do I get the guide up? |
| [23:16:56] | godzirra: | Its not working on my remote |
| [23:16:58] | iamlindoro_: | M |
| [23:17:04] | iamlindoro_: | then select Program guide |
| [23:17:11] | godzirra: | There's no way to get directly to it? |
| [23:17:27] | justinh: | godzirra: if you assign a spare remote button to it, yes there is |
| [23:17:33] | godzirra: | justinh: thats what I'm trying to do. |
| [23:17:40] | jimmygoon: | justinh, when I was asking about the xbox as a MD I was originally referring to xbmcmythtv ... I figured it would be better than trying to boot an entire distro of linux... is actually native mythtv better? |
| [23:17:41] | godzirra: | Hence why I need to know what to put in ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [23:17:44] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Keybindings |
| [23:17:49] | godzirra: | Its not on there. |
| [23:17:53] | godzirra: | As far as I can see. |
| [23:18:01] | godzirra: | They tell you how to move around in it once you get there, but not how to get there. |
| [23:18:09] | justinh: | jimmygoon: linux on any box with onl 32MB RAM sucks as a media player |
| [23:18:26] | jimmygoon: | :P |
| [23:18:29] | godzirra: | any box with 32mb ram sucks. :) |
| [23:18:47] | BULLE: | he, my cellphone has 128mb |
| [23:18:56] | godzirra: | Heh. |
| [23:18:57] | justinh: | it's what some might call usable but not me. way too slow |
| [23:19:07] | godzirra: | justinh: So any ideas how to get directly to it? :) |
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| [23:20:11] | iamlindoro_: | godzirra, go to mythweb |
| [23:20:20] | iamlindoro_: | bind a key to the right function |
| [23:20:24] | justinh: | godzirra: you need to define a jump point |
| [23:20:29] | godzirra: | Whats a jump point? |
| [23:20:43] | godzirra: | iamlindoro_: Where do i do that? |
| [23:20:50] | justinh: | a jump point is a 'spare' key you can assign to various functions which will take you directly there |
| [23:20:57] | iamlindoro_: | Under Key bindings?? |
| [23:20:59] | godzirra: | Ah. |
| [23:21:01] | Saviq: | hi again... one question... the scenario is: i'm turning my livetv on, and want to go listen to some mythmusic without stopping the recording off – can it be done? |
| [23:21:21] | justinh: | say you assign Shift+F12 to 'program guide' – when you press Shift+F12 it'll bring up the guide no matter where you are |
| [23:21:29] | justinh: | Saviq: no |
| [23:21:58] | godzirra: | Right. |
| [23:22:15] | defaultro: | ialindoro, cable is from Tibutaries. It's a really thick RGBHV cable. |
| [23:22:25] | justinh: | godzirra: mythcontrols is a plugin you can use to assign keybindings |
| [23:22:34] | iamlindoro_: | defaultro, like I said, I don't believe your D/A conversion is your issue |
| [23:22:40] | defaultro: | ok |
| [23:22:48] | defaultro: | where else should I look at? |
| [23:23:06] | iamlindoro_: | I think it's likely the fact that your STB does some magic, renders the stream with different software entirely |
| [23:23:55] | godzirra: | justinh: do I have to restart anything if I do it from mythweb? |
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| [23:24:06] | iamlindoro_: | Like I said, you can try myth's filters, but you're still going to be fundamentally limited by how well the ffmpeg portion interprets the mpeg data |
| [23:24:07] | justinh: | godzirra: don't think so |
| [23:24:16] | godzirra: | Hrm. |
| [23:24:26] | godzirra: | I assigned "Alt+g" as the guide button |
| [23:24:27] | godzirra: | its not working. |
| [23:24:28] | justinh: | defaultro: what's the problem with that screenshot? |
| [23:24:38] | iamlindoro_: | that's what I said |
| [23:25:00] | justinh: | godzirra: myth prolly doesn't use that terminology for shifted keys |
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| [23:25:04] | fryfrog: | I think my whole no hd playback problem was not using "xv-blit" :/ |
| [23:25:40] | godzirra: | How do I figure out what terminology to use? |
| [23:25:46] | fryfrog: | ohz mahz gods, its working great :/ |
| [23:26:39] | godzirra: | Actually it doesnt matter because its not saving. |
| [23:26:43] | defaultro: | justinh, i'm losing some quality |
| [23:26:55] | justinh: | defaultro: how so? |
| [23:27:03] | justinh: | I mean what do you mean by that? |
| [23:27:04] | defaultro: | it's very obvious on the curtains as compaired when I watch via DCT6200 |
| [23:27:12] | godzirra: | oh well, gotta take my kid to get icecream. |
| [23:27:14] | godzirra: | Be back shortly. |
| [23:27:22] | justinh: | defaultro: using DVI? |
| [23:27:23] | defaultro: | look at the blue to red on the curtain, it's not smooth |
| [23:27:27] | defaultro: | using RGBHV |
| [23:28:08] | defaultro: | i noticed it only last night when I was like 2ft close to the tv. I was troubleshooting some equipment :P |
| [23:28:32] | defaultro: | so when I was watching that same show via DCT6200, the gradient on the curtain was very smooth |
| [23:28:55] | justinh: | but that's taken directly from the stream |
| [23:29:02] | defaultro: | then I don't see blocking happening when camera moves on the DCT6200. I do see blocking via mythtv |
| [23:29:11] | directhex: | mpeg2 sucks |
| [23:29:18] | justinh: | mpeg sucks |
| [23:29:21] | defaultro: | ah |
| [23:29:25] | defaultro: | could that be it? |
| [23:29:30] | defaultro: | it's lossy right |
| [23:29:39] | justinh: | maybe the cable box has a deblocking filter going on |
| [23:29:42] | directhex: | us hdtv doesn't have the bandwidth for hd. the set-top boxes apply massive levels of filtering to pretend there's no probem |
| [23:29:42] | defaultro: | what is our solution? how do we keep the quality |
| [23:29:58] | directhex: | justinh, h264 is mpeg! h264 doesn't suck! |
| [23:29:59] | defaultro: | k |
| [23:30:07] | justinh: | what quality? your filesizes tell it all |
| [23:30:26] | defaultro: | so how do we make is as smooth or as close as possible |
| [23:30:37] | directhex: | defaultro, maybe myth has a deblocking filter. myth's filters are a dark undocumented secret |
| [23:30:39] | justinh: | people say 6GB per hour. jesus our freeview dvb-t mpeg2 SDTV streams can be 2GB or more per hour, and that's only 720x576 |
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| [23:30:56] | ** iamlindoro_ stabs himself in the eye with a pen. ** | |
| [23:31:04] | iamlindoro_: | I've said use the filters twice now... |
| [23:31:08] | defaultro: | mine is recording at 6 or 7g per hour |
| [23:31:24] | directhex: | that's not enough for HD |
| [23:31:28] | directhex: | not with mpeg2 |
| [23:31:35] | defaultro: | that means, I'm loosing a lot |
| [23:31:41] | justinh: | that's pretty bad for something which is what.. more than 3 times the screen area of our SDTV |
| [23:31:42] | defaultro: | question now is why |
| [23:31:56] | directhex: | defaultro, nothing's being lost. it's an unmolested stream |
| [23:32:01] | iamlindoro_: | defaultro, no, you are recording the stream exactly as the cableco sends it |
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| [23:32:05] | defaultro: | k |
| [23:32:10] | directhex: | justinh, 4x the res, give or take |
| [23:32:18] | directhex: | justinh, more, infact! |
| [23:32:28] | defaultro: | maybe, I'll try to display it with mplayer or vlc and see how it looks like |
| [23:32:35] | directhex: | justinh, 5x the res |
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| [23:32:44] | justinh: | 4x the res and maybe 3x the bandwidth, and our SDTV at 2GB/hr isn't what I'd call shit-hot |
| [23:33:04] | defaultro: | so could it be the deblocking filter in myth? |
| [23:33:05] | directhex: | 1920*1080/720/756 = 5 |
| [23:33:12] | justinh: | ouch |
| [23:33:20] | defaultro: | what equation is that for? |
| [23:33:35] | directhex: | defaultro, the res of HD versus the res of PAL DVB-T |
| [23:33:45] | defaultro: | ok |
| [23:33:53] | justinh: | defaultro: well, your bitrate gives you about 7GB for an hour or 1920x1080. we get a max of 2.5Gb per hour of 720x576 |
| [23:34:18] | justinh: | and our 720x576 ain't exactly as good as analogue PAL was |
| [23:35:24] | directhex: | per pixel, the image quality of your hd on typical bandwidth-too-low mpeg issues like macroblocking is almost half what we get on SDTV |
| [23:35:51] | defaultro: | k |
| [23:36:17] | defaultro: | so can we say that the feed we receive has been mangled or downsampled a little? |
| [23:36:36] | justinh: | it's been squished to fit, yes |
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| [23:37:04] | justinh: | I'd rather take a lower res with a higher bitrate |
| [23:37:43] | justinh: | all things are pointing toward us ending up with up to 18mbits/sec h.264 HD which I can assure you looks very nice close up (from the BBCHD feed at any rate) |
| [23:38:33] | justinh: | hmm playback filters don't seem to have any deblocking stuff documented. that's not saying it doesn't have any |
| [23:39:28] | directhex: | look at it this way: 7 gig an hour is 16mbit. dvd is <=10mbit. hd is 6x higher resolution than NTSC DVD. notice the bandwidth problem here? |
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| [23:39:32] | iamlindoro_: | my Heroes from last night is 38 Mbit... now if only we had a decent codec :) |
| [23:40:32] | directhex: | yeah, mpeg2 is part of the problem. it doesn't get better as the res increases |
| [23:41:02] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: where the heck do you get that number from? |
| [23:41:07] | iamlindoro_: | ffmpeg -i |
| [23:41:15] | justinh: | no way |
| [23:41:26] | iamlindoro_: | way |
| [23:41:33] | justinh: | I mean ffmpeg is lying |
| [23:41:41] | iamlindoro_: | ah, possibly |
| [23:41:46] | iamlindoro_: | but that I can't control :) |
| [23:41:55] | justinh: | it lies here too |
| [23:42:04] | defaultro: | ok |
| [23:42:17] | defaultro: | why is that our recording is being saved as mpeg? |
| [23:42:25] | justinh: | defaultro: it comes in as mpeg |
| [23:42:27] | iamlindoro_: | because that's how it comes |
| [23:42:28] | defaultro: | ah |
| [23:42:37] | justinh: | it's broadcast to you as mpeg2 |
| [23:42:43] | defaultro: | yep |
| [23:42:54] | justinh: | h.264 is starting to make inroads in the US now though, I read a while back |
| [23:43:03] | defaultro: | wow, that's cool |
| [23:43:04] | justinh: | bitrate for bitrate, h.264 owns mpeg2 |
| [23:43:23] | iamlindoro_: | Good luck getting them to scrap ATSC for OTA and the like, though |
| [23:43:27] | iamlindoro_: | nationwide, anyway |
| [23:43:32] | ** justinh laughs.. of course! ** | |
| [23:43:37] | defaultro: | hopefully, h.264 can do multicpu. Last time I've heard, it's still single cpu |
| [23:43:56] | justinh: | it's worky on multi cpus now |
| [23:44:01] | defaultro: | when? |
| [23:44:08] | defaultro: | i was just readin it last month |
| [23:44:08] | justinh: | there's even a patch for mythtv skulling around somewhere |
| [23:44:17] | defaultro: | that's really cool |
| [23:44:37] | iamlindoro_: | and if you want to use an external player, mplayer SVN will work too |
| [23:44:38] | justinh: | well, that's what I heard and I'm merely regurgitating it |
| [23:44:52] | justinh: | but I want it to be true, too |
| [23:44:56] | defaultro: | it's hard to modify nupplevideo i guess |
| [23:45:04] | defaultro: | to tell mythtv to use mplayer |
| [23:45:12] | defaultro: | if mythtvideo, yes, it's easy |
| [23:45:14] | justinh: | defaultro: where streams come in encoded they get left along |
| [23:45:22] | justinh: | only lamegrabbers use nuppelvideo |
| [23:45:31] | justinh: | at recording time ^^ |
| [23:45:36] | defaultro: | oh |
| [23:45:47] | defaultro: | i meant the builtin player |
| [23:46:15] | iamlindoro_: | What about the builtin player? It can do whatever the ffmpeg build it was built on can do |
| [23:46:18] | justinh: | yes that's soon gonna doing threaded playback officially |
| [23:46:26] | defaultro: | k |
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| [23:46:36] | defaultro: | hopefully, it can be with .21 |
| [23:46:37] | iamlindoro_: | right... and if you're impatient, patch SVN |
| [23:46:50] | iamlindoro_: | patch is on the dev list I believe |
| [23:46:59] | defaultro: | so, what I am seeing right now is normal |
| [23:47:10] | justinh: | welcome to digital TV land |
| [23:47:20] | iamlindoro_: | Probably |
| [23:47:43] | defaultro: | since it's an opensource too, I cannot asked for more :) |
| [23:47:47] | justinh: | you should see Sky TV's 'HD' service. they use h.264 and it looks real bad up close when anything moves |
| [23:47:59] | defaultro: | but am really happy with mythtv since early 2005 :D |
| [23:48:07] | defaultro: | oh |
| [23:48:26] | iamlindoro_: | might try denoise3d |
| [23:48:27] | justinh: | defaultro: if you don't notice it when you're not 3 inches away from the screen I wouldn't lose any sleep over it |
| [23:48:28] | defaultro: | my friends were talking about FTA and they were telling me that there are HD programs there too. Is it true? |
| [23:48:43] | iamlindoro_: | if you want smoother gradients, that is |
| [23:48:46] | defaultro: | denoise3d on where? |
| [23:48:49] | iamlindoro_: | Yes |
| [23:48:50] | defaultro: | and how |
| [23:48:54] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_playback_filters |
| [23:48:55] | iamlindoro_: | mythtv filters |
| [23:48:58] | defaultro: | cool |
| [23:48:59] | defaultro: | let me see |
| [23:49:13] | justinh: | it'll use more cpu cycles though, be aware |
| [23:49:18] | defaultro: | yep |
| [23:49:25] | iamlindoro_: | defaultro, many people get their HD FTA/OTA |
| [23:49:36] | justinh: | and used wrongly could worsen the overall picture |
| [23:49:46] | iamlindoro_: | In the US, many.most people can get their network TV with an antenna.. in HD |
| [23:49:53] | iamlindoro_: | er many/most |
| [23:50:03] | defaultro: | where is this added? kerneldeint,denoise3d |
| [23:50:21] | justinh: | tv playback settings |
| [23:50:25] | justinh: | :-\ |
| [23:50:29] | defaultro: | manually typed? |
| [23:50:33] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [23:50:35] | godzirra: | ok, so how the heck do I add keybindings to myth? Specifically to make my remote do stuff. |
| [23:50:36] | defaultro: | oh |
| [23:50:45] | defaultro: | let me look at it now |
| [23:51:15] | justinh: | the field called 'custom filters' |
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| [23:51:28] | justinh: | dunno wth it is in trunk.. they mixed that up a bit |
| [23:51:52] | justinh: | now we have 'playback profiles' or some kind of witchcraft |
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| [23:53:20] | jduggan: | woo |
| [23:53:25] | ** jduggan breaks stuff ** | |
| [23:53:29] | jduggan: | Cannot allocate enough off-screen video memory. |
| [23:53:34] | jduggan: | anyone seen this with tvtime |
| [23:53:37] | jduggan: | on an i810 |
| [23:53:38] | jduggan: | :| |
| [23:56:03] | iamlindoro_: | http://osdir.com/ml/video.tvtime.devel/2004-04/msg00090.html |
| [23:56:13] | iamlindoro_: | But it ain't mythtv ;) |
| [23:57:22] | godzirra: | anyone? |
| [23:58:13] | justinh: | godzirra: you've been told how already |
| [23:58:31] | godzirra: | An I've mentioned that its not saving when I hit save on mythweb |
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| [23:59:24] | justinh: | godzirra: anyway there's already a key to show the program guide. S |
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