Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, November 25th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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justinh:

lemme tell ya something. life's a bitch. I can't get a job, but I don't wanna job. I just wanna do something else with my time.. hahahaha ages since I heard that

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I should clean up around here more often... just going through the closet I found 2 GB of RAM to bring both of my backends to 4 GB

[00:03:39]

justinh:

waaaah? just 'found' 2GB of ram just lying around..

[00:04:08]

mzb:

heh ... I wouldn't mind a magic cupboard like that ;)

[00:04:24]

justinh:

something else. I thought theming gave me a buzz. really enjoying doing this mix

[00:04:58]

justinh:

might be time to look for a pretendy radio show again

[00:05:28]

iamlindoro:

Heh, well it used to live in an old backend, it's slower speed than the RAM that's in the secondary backend now, but for this purpose it doesn't need to be blazing fast

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mzb:

I'm just trying to get a dodgy playlist generator going for mythvideo ... which selects a file randomly, plays it with mplayer, and then sources itself to repeat ... I can't seem to find a way of telling if the player process (mplayer) has terminated normally (time to play next item) or exited by the user (time to exit)

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mzb:

any ideas?

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ali1234:

last time i used mplayer it exited with a segfault about 50% of the time anyway

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justinh:

mzb: kinda hard to do that

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mzb:

ok, player is not important

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mzb:

justinh: hard | impossible ?

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justinh:

mzb: maybe, make your script assemble a random playlist then feed that to mplayer, then when you exit mplayer that's exit

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mzb:

yeah ... I guess you're right

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mzb:

easier to make a simple shuffle routine, than to keep sourcing and only picking one

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, just make a special file type in mythvideo, select a custom player, and run your script as the custom player

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ali1234:

there is one reason to do it by running the player on each video. if the player crashes it will just continue to the next file.

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iamlindoro:

It'll do that with a playlist too

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iamlindoro:

oh, I see what you mean

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iamlindoro:

my mistake

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justinh:

or just code up a playlist sorter-outer for mythvideo already

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justinh:

you'll be a hero!

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justinh:

well, I say 'just'.. to you that might be like 'hey, just get Israel to play nice'

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AngryElf:

isn't there a way to change inputs while watching live tv?

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iamlindoro:

Y

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iamlindoro:

well that's change tuners

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iamlindoro:

change inputs is C I think

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ali1234:

what is a "playlist sorter-outer"?

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justinh:

ali1234: whatever is needed to make mythvideo support playlists

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ali1234:

that sounds... easy?

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iamlindoro:

Heh... get to it!

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ali1234:

unless you mean with the internal player?

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mzb:

I've already got .pls defined

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ali1234:

do you need a whole playlist editor too?

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mzb:

but I'm going to use a particular command for "Music Videos.pls" => play_random.sh

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mzb:

err ... no ... I've got music videos in a single dir, the play_random.sh creates a playlist and then plays it

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mzb:

I'm currently trying mplayer

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mzb:

(with -playlist option)

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ali1234:

yes

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ali1234:

i see

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ali1234:

but what i meant was does "make mythvideo support playlists" mean adding a playlist editor?

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smr:

hello

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smr:

current svn mythbackend is supposed to be listening on port 6544?

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smr:

thats backend status right?

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portahex:

status, yes, iirc

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iamlindoro:

Standard myth ports are 6543, 6544, yes

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iamlindoro:

unless you change them

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portahex:

which port is upnp on again?

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smr:

I just upgraded my friend's mythtv from 0.20-fixes to svn and now status page in mythweb is not working anymore

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AngryElf:

okay, got HD channels into mythfrontend, looks like i'm having trouble locking to channels — is 3.9dB too little signal?

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iamlindoro:

smr, what does it do when you try?

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smr:

on the other hand it works for me at home

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iamlindoro:

Is he running a misc. status script?

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smr:

no

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smr:

"failed to open stream"

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iamlindoro:

so what does it DO

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iamlindoro:

did you replace the whole mythweb dir?

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smr:

mythbackend is not listening on 6544

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iamlindoro:

with a fresh version from svn?

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smr:

yes I did

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smr:

I have two other backends running ok

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smr:

a bit older svn version though

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iamlindoro:

I just updated to today's, works fine

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smr:

upgraded yesterday and then I got fresh version just half hour ago

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smr:

0.20 worked

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smr:

well, crashed a lot hence the upgrade but status worked ok

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smr:

is there some new dependencies that svn version needs?

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smr:

configuring, compiling and installing goes ok

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iamlindoro:

Same old, same old

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TelnetManta:

is there a player that I can easily use in Ubuntu?

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iamlindoro:

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh huh?

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iamlindoro:

wanna be a bit more specific?

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iamlindoro:

regarding, ya know... what you want to play, from where, etc?

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TelnetManta:

iamlindoro: LOL

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TelnetManta:

sorry

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TelnetManta:

I want to watch my backend from another computer which runs ubuntu

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TelnetManta:

live tv

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AngryElf:

my HD channel 9.1 is pulling show info from channel 91 when it should be pulling info from channel 9, I tried changing it in the frontend channel editor, but no luck, where is it supposed to be changed?

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iamlindoro:

You'll have to install the frontend, or play recordings streaming through vlc

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iamlindoro:

but livetv will need the frontend

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TelnetManta:

will the frontend installation need to be the same version and have all of the same patches if any

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TelnetManta:

?

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portahex:

TelnetManta, yes

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iamlindoro:

yup

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TelnetManta:

k, thanks

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iamlindoro:

angryelf, go into mythweb and adjust the xmlids to the appropriate channel

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iamlindoro:

ie, change 9.1's xmlid to the same as 9

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TelnetManta:

portahex: I run an older version so this might not be so easy.

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mzb:

this seems to do the job: http://openpaste.org/en/4046/

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iamlindoro:

telnetmanta, you can just compile an old version

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iamlindoro:

check out a the version tag that matches your backend

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mzb:

(add -fs to that of course)

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mzb_d800:

what are the page up|down config bindings for mplayer?

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mzb_d800:

I've tried PgUp, PageUp

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mzb_d800:

(etc)

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mzb_d800:

neither work

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mzb_d800:

dm, will try Home and End

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mzb_d800:

nope

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mzb_d800:

nor HOME, END, pgup, pgdown ... any hints?

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mzb_d800:

I guess I could do seek 999, but that's a bit hacky

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ali1234:

i don't get it, what are you trying to do?

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ali1234:

maybe you want NextMrl and PriorMrl?

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ali1234:

hang on that's for xine

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mzb_d800:

skip|rew to next|prev item in playlist

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mzb_d800:

manpage says the pgup|down skip 10mins (not quite what I want)

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mzb_d800:

Home and End are the proper keys

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ali1234:

with lirc you mean?

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mzb_d800:

but it looks like Enter might do the job

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mzb_d800:

yes

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ali1234:

Enter does skip to the next file, yeah

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... doesn't like me

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mzb_d800:

the keys (might very well) work

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mzb_d800:

but how to find out their respective config names?

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mzb_d800:

(for lircrc)

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ali1234:

For a list of all commands that can be used with LIRC and mplayer, run mplayer -input cmdlist

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mzb_d800:

nice

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mzb_d800:

thanks

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mzb_d800:

yuk

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mzb_d800:

stuff it ... seek 999 will have to do

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ali1234:

i think maybe pt_step is what you need

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ali1234:

that might be frame advance actually

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mzb_d800:

pt=playlist ?

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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ali1234:

could be. you need to put 1 either -1 for direction

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mzb_d800:

seek 999 goes right through subsequent playlist items ... *sigh*

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mzb_d800:

yep, I'll try that, thanks

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ali1234:

of course

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mzb_d800:

well, it seems obvious NOW :)

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mzb_d800:

yep, that's it ... thanks again

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mzb_d800:

excellent, shuffled music videos ... that'll keep the women happy :)

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justinh:

get that on the wiki now :)

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mzb:

where?

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justinh:

mythtv.org/wiki/

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mzb:

yeah, thanks justinh :)

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mzb:

I mean ... just the keys, or the whole "shuffle music video" theory?

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justinh:

that should save anybody reinventing the wheel

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justinh:

everything

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mzb:

right, so I'll ask again ... where?

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mzb:

mythmusic and lirc?

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justinh:

mythtv.org/wiki/

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mzb:

or new pages, or ...

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rooaus:

new How-To page maybe?

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justinh:

oyoyoyoyoyoyoy. pffffffffffffff

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justinh:

do Ihave to write it for you to? :P

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mzb:

sure

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mzb:

might keep you from typing as if I'm deaf

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AngryElf:

if my HD cable box has a cable/coaxial output — can I plug that into a pcHDTV card and record?

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

well, certainly not HD anyway

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BULLE:

justinh: unless its just a passtrough ?

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AngryElf:

so there's no (good) way to record out of a HD cable box?

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justinh:

NO

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BULLE:

AngryElf: nope

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justinh:

well, firewire

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AngryElf:

k, thanx

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BULLE:

AngryElf: best bet is to just skip the cable box

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BULLE:

AngryElf: eg, if you dont live in the usa

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AngryElf:

can I run a line from your house across the atlantic?

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BULLE:

AngryElf: sure!

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AngryElf:

sweet, you pay!

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Dr_willis:

better use the good stuff. :)

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BULLE:

AngryElf: nope, you are the rich american!

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AngryElf:

not for long, the dollar is falling like a rock

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BULLE:

AngryElf: true

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justinh:

there's a guy I work with rubbing his hands at the prospect of the US economy falling into a pit. shame he doesn't realise the full implications

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BULLE:

justinh: ye

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BULLE:

justinh: i dont want a complete crash, just keep the dorrah even cheaper, so i can buy cheap stuff =D

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hadees:

anyone do any radio time shifting? i'm looking for programs.

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iamlindoro:

Not really myth related, unless you plan to record DVB audio channels

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ali1234:

yeah, i do that

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iamlindoro:

and if you're talking about over-the-air radio like in the us, *cough*justfuckinggoogleit.com*cough*

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justinh:

anybody here do IRC time shifting? I'm looking for programs to ask the same question in a channel over the course of a few hours

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watto:

Hey guys, are any of you able to run the latest mythtv trunk SVN version in ubuntu 7.10? I get a segfault everytime I run the frontend

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iamlindoro:

watto, I'm on 7.10, no issues here

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watto:

Well after my theme caches it just quits with a segfault

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iamlindoro:

if you svn up'ed, did you make distclean, as well as update to current plugin SVN?

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watto:

right after the message "Registering Internal as a media playback plugin."

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watto:

I deleted my old svn copy and completly redownloaded it

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watto:

what's the SVN plugin? the subversion package?

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iamlindoro:

mythplugins

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iamlindoro:

did you just update mythtv, or did you get mythplugins from today as well?

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ali1234:

no the SVN repository containing plugins

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watto:

oh right, yeah I did the same with the plugins

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AngryElf:

will adding an xmlid to my channel listing make it have the right show info?

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iamlindoro:

Only if it's the right xmlid

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watto:

iamlindoro, so your using the svn trunk in 7.10? I have never gotten mythfrontend to run on it...

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iamlindoro:

Yup

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watto:

oh no, I'm trying to recompile it and I think it's looping. There is a line that says "Warning: File `../../libs/libmyth/mythconfig.mak' has modification time 2.1e+04 s in the future"

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iamlindoro:

on two backends

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iamlindoro:

watto, check the times on your systems

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iamlindoro:

date and hwclock

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iamlindoro:

can cause weird/bad issues of frontend and backend don't agree or if either system is terribly off

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watto:

all my dates are the same but the hwclocks are all off

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iamlindoro:

How off?

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watto:

I deleted the libs/libmyth/mythconfig.mak file, reconfigured, and I think it's working now

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iamlindoro:

You sure you installed with the right prefix, btw?

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iamlindoro:

'cause if SVN frontend tries to run against some old libraries, you'll crash in an instant

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watto:

my frontend system says "Sat 24 Nov 2007 08:15:00 PM CST -0.958437 seconds" backend says "Sat 24 Nov 2007 08:16:44 PM CST -0.095738 seconds" and desktop says "Sun Nov 25 02:14:58 2007 -0.015924 seconds"

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watto:

I'm using prefex /usr

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iamlindoro:

That's not necessarily right or wrong, just make sure you don't have various versions installed in /usr, /usr/loca, etc

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iamlindoro:

er local

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watto:

right they are all correct

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watto:

I just did a -v all and it segfaults right after the line "Clearing Settings Cache."

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iamlindoro:

mmkay... well anyway, there's nothing wrong with myth, just did a svn update today and it's working fine on all systems, so it's probably an issue with misconfiguration or wrong compile settings

[02:19:38]

iamlindoro:

You check your database to make sure it's ok?

[02:20:11]

watto:

well it worked fine before I compiled today and the backend is running fine

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justinh:

I hope you made a backup before upgrading

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watto:

I didn't actually...

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watto:

This is my configure line "./configure --disable-distcc --disable-ccache --prefix=/usr --tune=athlon --cpu=athlon --enable-dvb --enable-xvmc --enable-xvmc-pro --enable-opengl-vsync --enable-opengl-video

[02:23:22]

justinh:

well, you now have to succeed in making it work or you can't downgrade without losing your database

[02:25:08]

AngryElf:

so, when myth scans my HD card it gets channel#s like 4_1 and 9_2 — which aren't in the channel lineup i'm getting from schedules direct which is my guess as to why i'm not getting any channel data — how do I map a channel from my SD listing onto a channel#?

[02:25:41]

iamlindoro:

Mythweb

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iamlindoro:

Settings/TV/Channel Info

[02:26:05]

iamlindoro:

Third field, xmltvid

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mchou:

hell no

[02:26:19]

iamlindoro:

hell yes, works just fine

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AngryElf:

iamlindoro: i tried that, should it automatically fill in the data once I save?

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watto:

now it segfaults after "MediaRenderer::Registering CMGR Service."

[02:26:37]

iamlindoro:

no, mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

[02:26:40]

mchou:

AngryElf: they answer is you dont use the SD listing

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mchou:

AngryElf: you use the HD listing

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AngryElf:

and where do I get that listing?

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mchou:

same place you get the SD listing

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mchou:

just need to set it up slightly differently is all

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AngryElf:

how so?

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iamlindoro:

He means SchedulesDirect, not Standard Def

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mchou:

AngryElf: is that what you meant by SD?

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iamlindoro:

And as he's doing, I believe, QAM, it's going to be the exact same lineup

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mchou:

lol

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AngryElf:

iamlindoro: it's actually not, so I have two SchedulesDiret lineups

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mchou:

iamlindoro: HA! Punk'd!

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AngryElf:

so, I have two video sources

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iamlindoro:

Hey, whatever, you want to dick around, go ahead, but if you just put the correct xmlid in and refill the database, it'll work just fine

[02:30:33]

iamlindoro:

childish behavior aside

[02:30:41]

AngryElf:

mythfilldatabse is running right now :)

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mchou:

iamlindoro: there is no need for that junk

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mchou:

myth does it all automagically

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mchou:

assuming he has the correct line-up

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Tanthrix:

mchou: If by automagically you mean not at all, then you're completely correct.

[02:32:27]

Tanthrix:

AngryElf: iamlindoro's instructions are correct. QAM stuff needs the manual tweaking, unfortunately.

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mchou:

Tanthrix: no it doesn't

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mchou:

xris and I went over this long ago

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mchou:

and myth has been able to do it automagically since 0.20

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xris:

mchou: actually, some QAM stuff does need manual tweaking

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Tanthrix:

xris: How'd your HD lossless transcoding jobs end up?

[02:35:12]

xris:

Tanthrix: no good

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Tanthrix:

A shame. Ah well, hopefully at some point support will be expanded to include HD material.

[02:36:04]

Tanthrix:

Or rather, support more HD material, since it does seem to work on some.

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xris:

yeah. just a matter of someone taking the time to figure out where the bug is. the guy who wrote that code hasn't done much dev work recently

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iamlindoro:

Is that on x.264 lossless stuff?

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: Lossless meaning cutting out commercials and such with as little re-encoding as possible. Not completely lossless, but the result means that you don't have to re-encode the whole shebang.

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Tanthrix:

iamlindoro: And we were specifically speaking about MPEG2 1080i content

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, I understand, just have never had an issue with MP2 stuff so I thought it might be x.264 for Euro HD stuff you were talking about

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xris:

nope.

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xris:

1080i from discovery channel for me

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xris:

though I think it might happen if the resolution changes mid-stream

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xris:

or something wacky like that

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iamlindoro:

hrm, interesting. Yeah, have never had one fail on me, but I just get network stuff, and the stuff I record is predominantly 720p

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iamlindoro:

although nbc has been broadcasting a lot in 1080i of late

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iamlindoro:

I'm jealous, though, would love to be able to get DHD unencrypted

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mzb_d800:

gee KP-ES48 == 120cm ?

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xris:

iamlindoro: I just want to save 30G or so of space from the planet earth stuff I recorded... I padded the recordings so I wouldn't miss anything, so now there's a bunch of stuff I don't need.

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mzb_d800:

can't find the model anywhere thought :|

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mzb_d800:

s/t$/

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iamlindoro:

xris: Cool, I got Planet Earth on Blu-ray and ripped it

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iamlindoro:

Erm, actually, I got Discovery atlas on Blu-ray, I got Planet earth on HD-DVD, but both are on my system

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iamlindoro:

if you have an x-box 360 HD drive and the will to do it, it'll play with current mplayer without any patches... the video is x.264 and the audio is just basic AC-3

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iamlindoro:

Looks even better in 1080p ;)

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xris:

iamlindoro: no hdtv for me, so no real hurry on watching the hq stuff

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iamlindoro:

ah, fair enough

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mzb_d800:

anyone familiar with sony model numbering systems?

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mzb_d800:

;)

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I don't think even SONY knows about their model numbers

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iamlindoro:

"erm, put in three letters, then maybe a dash... then another letter... then another couple of numbers for good meansure."

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ali1234:

48 means 48" or 121cm

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mzb_d800:

that's what I figure

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mzb_d800:

having probs with the ES part

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mzb_d800:

trying to figure out size atm ... to work out if we need to borrow a bigger car (aka ute)

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iamlindoro:

Euro, Standard Def?

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iamlindoro:

Just a shot in the dark

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ali1234:

let me look thru my service manual collection...

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ali1234:

i assume you are talking about a TV? is it CRT or panel?

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mzb_d800:

RPTV

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mzb_d800:

I've not seen it yet

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ali1234:

ah okay, explains why it's 48" then

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ali1234:

(if it is)

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iamlindoro:

mzb, pm to you

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mzb_d800:

but I get the impression (from the description of the size) that's it's a CRT model

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mzb_d800:

k

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AngryElf:

if I deleted a channel in mythweb -> channel settings how do I get it back?

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justinh:

heh

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iamlindoro:

If it still exists at the listings source, then it'll come back next time you fill that db... if not, and it was a scanned channel, then you will need to rescan

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justinh:

restore the database backup?

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AngryElf:

could I just delete all the records from the channel table and re-run mythfilldb?

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justinh:

yeah if you want to risk screwing it up even more

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iamlindoro:

^ Heh, what he said

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justinh:

put mythtv down. go to a store & buy Vista MCE

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mzb_d800:

woh! 68kg ... phew ... my back's going to love me!

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mzb_d800:

time to find a measuring stick

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justinh:

68kg? jees

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justinh:

I think you're gonna need a hand with that

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justinh:

the weight is one thing but unless you arms are 10 feet long... ;)

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mzb_d800:

yeah ... might have to ask the (6'2") father-in-law

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mzb_d800:

(with the v8 ute;)

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mzb_d800:

problem is, even if I get it here, it has to go into the garage to start with ... getting it up the stairs (if I ever manage to get it working nicely) might be fun

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mzb_d800:

heh ... "Come around to my place ... free beer if you help move the tv!"

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mzb_d800:

I can just imagine

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mzb_d800:

heh ... min viewing distance = 1.9m .... that's pushing it :)

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mzb_d800:

s/1.9/2.1/ .... that blows it ... have to sit back in the seat ;)

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AngryElf:

if mythfrontend --version shows using_xvmc is this enough proof that it's actually working?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

That just means it was compiled with support for it

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mzb_d800:

# grep Motion /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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mzb_d800:

(II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation

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(for nv)

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jhulst:

Will a 2.6 ghz Celeron M be sufficient for HD decoding?

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clever_:

mzb_d800: my xorg also appears to be xvmc able but i think its useless for me atm with mpeg4:(

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mzb_d800:

why's that?

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clever_:

i think xvmc only works on mpeg2

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clever_:

(and frontend has using_xvmc using_xvmcw using_xvmc_vld)

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iamlindoro:

Yup, mpeg-2 only

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clever_:

i think a few rare cards are able to mpeg4 but im probly not one of them

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clever_:

0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3)

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clever_:

0000:02:0a.0 VGA compatible controller: Rendition Verite V2000/V2100/V2200 (rev 06)

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clever_:

0000:02:0b.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. ViRGE/DX or /GX (rev 01)

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clever_:

(only one of those is even close to mpeg2:P)

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iamlindoro:

I don't think any cards do MP4 acceleration with xvmc... some cards *do* have MP$ accel, but not with xvmc

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GreyFoxx:

I don't knwo of any that do mpeg4 under linux at all

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clever_:

:(

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GreyFoxx:

Though Maybe the openchrome stuff

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clever_:

and i cant transcode to mpeg2 thru mythtranscode using the current code

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iamlindoro:

Could use ffmpeg

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iamlindoro:

Just write up a little user jobbie

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clever_:

would the seek table be valid then?

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clever_:

(in mysql)

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iamlindoro:

Well, I believe you could import it with the perl script and use mythcommflag to write the seek table

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iamlindoro:

Bummer to have to go to MP2 from MP4, though

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clever_:

yeah i could just move the new over old and have mythcommflag rebuild it

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clever_:

2 is less quality then 4?

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iamlindoro:

Well, bit per bit, anyway

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clever_:

yeah at a higher bitrate it would be equal

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clever_:

but at the same bitrate?

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iamlindoro:

No, at higher bitrate it would be proportionately better

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iamlindoro:

MP4 allows for same quality at lower bitrate, therefore at equal bitrates MP4 would have the better wuality

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clever_:

ah

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iamlindoro:

er quality, sorry

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clever_:

im currently recording at a bitrate of 1000 in mpeg4(real time transcoding)

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iamlindoro:

Off a framegrabber?

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clever_:

yeah:(

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iamlindoro:

Well, at least you're not doing a double conversion-- I'd rather go framegrabber to mp4 than mp2-encoder to mp4 to mp2

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clever_:

lol

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clever_:

currently im doing raw->mp4->mp4(lowering the bitrate with transcode on another box)

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, that would probably work but it's a bummer to lose the quality with an extra transcode

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clever_:

takes several times the show lenght to lower the bitrate more

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clever_:

(extra quality options on)

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iamlindoro:

My HD comes in as Mpeg-2 but I convert my shows to 720p x.264 for archival in mythvideo

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clever_:

i beleive it would cost extra to get a box with firewire

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clever_:

but i do have a pci firewire card for if/what that comes

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iamlindoro:

bummer... but maybe worth it

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clever_:

the winblows xp desktop ontop of myth also has onboard firewire

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clever_:

all its usefull atm is to make a 400mbit lan segment between 2 hosts:P

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clever_:

which rarely share files at a speed that can max the 100mbit

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iamlindoro:

I'm gig across the board, but it's probably overkill except when I like to move files around... streaming 1080p would work fine on 100 Mbit

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clever_:

im able to stream SD content over 802.11 B(300kbyte/sec)

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, at low enough bitrate it would be fine

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clever_:

yeah at the default of 2200 it worked just bearly

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iamlindoro:

Someone linked a MP4 encoder tuner the other day.... not supported, but would be sexy if it was

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iamlindoro:

cheap, too

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clever_:

lol

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clever_:

i know my digital box has what seems to be a raw digital signal output

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clever_:

but no idea what can interface with it

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clever_:

http://www.tussh.com/angus/dct2000.php 'HDTV output'...

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clever_:

'This is the unencrypted HDTV data'

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clever_:

'This is probably a lot cheaper than ditching your DCT 2000 and than buying a new HDTV capable box.

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clever_:

'

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clever_:

sounds usefull but no idea how to actualy use it with myth

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sandeen:

anyone have an example of how to hook something like Frets on Fire or pyDDR games into the mythtv menus?

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iamlindoro:

Sandeen, just use mythgame

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sandeen:

iamlindoro, does it have hooks for new external games or...?

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** sandeen googles more **

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iamlindoro:

Yup you can run anything you want from it.. Look at the mythgame page on the wiki

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iamlindoro:

You'd set them up as "OTHER" type

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sandeen:

iamlindoro, cool thanks

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iamlindoro:

and set the executable to whatever you want

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iamlindoro:

np

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** sandeen thought it would be more work ;-) **

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sandeen:

iamlindoro, hrm, ok I'm missing something. I added a new player called "FretsOnFire" with a command: pointing to that binary in the frontend setup... nothing shows up under mythgame

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nuonguy:

the sound coming from my mythtv recordings is distorted

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nuonguy:

mplayer sounds ok

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lucidblue:

guys, is it mythdora the one that walks you through setuping up tv-out on pvr350?

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nuonguy:

choosing an alsa device rather than an oss device fixes that, thank you very much

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rooaus:

In the middle of merging record rules from an old db to a new install with a new channel scan. Is it sufficient to update the "chanid" field in record table to reflect the new chanid value in channel table? Recording rules at the moment have no channel associated with them.

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harvest316:

Just got cloned tvout on my Mobility Radeon 9200 showing ubuntu desktop fine. Mythtv menu system displays fine too, but as soon as you go into playback mode the tvout screen is nearly blank. ie: computer monitor shows working video, but TV shows an almost-black blue, my mouse (which i told mythtv to show), and proper black above & below (letterbox frame). any ideas?

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cesman:

lucidblue: KnoppMyth

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lucidblue:

cesman: would that be the one you'd recommend? I'm just running into so package/module issues with what I'm using now — but, it works awesome, but I want the composite out on the pvr-350

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** cesman recommends none other than KnoppMyth **

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cesman:

but, dont take my word for it

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cesman:

I started it ;)

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lucidblue:

cesman: haha, well, I guess you'd know then... how does it cut the partitions?

[07:20:39]

cesman:

an auto install will create 3 partitions

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cesman:

a 5 gig /, swap 1.5x RAM and the rest is /myth

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cesman:

we create directories under /myth

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cesman:

tv, gallery, music, video, games...

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cesman:

you get the idea

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lucidblue:

oh, cool what format is /myth, I used jfs on the one I've got... and, will it install all the ivtv stuff I need, or should I start looking at how to install debian pkgs?

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lucidblue:

cesman: I think I'll download it now..!

[07:22:42]

cesman:

no need to download anything

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cesman:

it contains all you need

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cesman:

by default, /myth is ext3

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mchou:

he probably meant the iso :)

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cesman:

it is created to work w/ large files

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cesman:

mchou: right

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lucidblue:

oh, I thought I had read that it has trouble deleting large files or something..

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cesman:

mchou: I was stating there is no need to download any ivtv related items

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mchou:

cesman: yup

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cesman:

lucidblue: mythtv can work around that

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cesman:

lucidblue: it is a non issue

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mchou:

sign, I wonder if I should upgrade this kernel

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mchou:

I dont think the security patches affect me

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mchou:

both things I dont use IPv6 and minix fs

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mchou:

dont think it's worth the pain

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lucidblue:

cesman: cool, not a huge iso

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lucidblue:

cesman: so, after during install, I would use my monitor and does it just create an xorg.conf to copy into place or what?

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lucidblue:

-- to use the pvr's tv-out

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cesman:

the iso is as big as it needs be

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cesman:

use your monitor

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cesman:

during configuration, it will detect as ask if you want to use the 350's tv out

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cesman:

just say yes

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cesman:

finish the configuration

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cesman:

if you restart X or reboot, it will then use the 350's tv out

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lucidblue:

awesome, can I make it configure sshd on startup? that's the way I'll be accessing it if needed

[07:31:30]

lucidblue:

but, --downloading now-- , what does it use for the window manager?

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cesman:

sshd is the only daemon not need by MythTV set to start by default

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cesman:

fluxbox

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lucidblue:

-- I think I can just plugin the keyboard and mouse if I need to... cesman, I'm assuming it'll let me setup the remote too, but I'll backup my configs for that anyway — I don't have anything non-standard — cool, can't wait then!

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cesman:

lucidblue: understand what I mean?

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cesman:

if you have a USB remove and we know what it is, it will automatically detect it

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cesman:

otherwise, it will list a bunch and you select your remote

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cesman:

hopfully, it should just work

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lucidblue:

cesman: yup, I think it'll end up being leaner than what I'm running now... yah, I figured out the logic behind the remotes anyway, but you might see me back to find out where knopp config files are kept

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cesman:

/etc/lirc/

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cesman:

you can also catch me in #knoppmyth

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lucidblue:

oh, nice... I'll give it a go when I get a second... assume I'm an intermediate linux user, how long do you guess setup would take start-to-watching?

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** lucidblue won't hold you to it ;) **

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cesman:

if all goes well, should take no more than 30 minutes

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cesman:

just let it does what it needs to and follow along

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cesman:

lucidblue: if you run into issues, we'd appreciate if you worked with use to resolve them

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cesman:

that way, we can improve future versions

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lucidblue:

cesman: I definitley will, looking forward to it, I probably won't be able to for a day or two — and it looks like another 50mins for download, maybe I should have gone ftp...

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cesman:

:)

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lucidblue:

cesman: http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html <--- seems like a couple of these (atleast the planetmirror ones) have older version R5V2 – 5

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cesman:

thanks

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lucidblue:

yah, looks like waiting will be better, didn't see any faster from the ftps

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cesman:

you are downloading R5F27 right?

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lucidblue:

yup

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lucidblue:

averaging about 185k torrent

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harvest316:

Bump: Just got cloned tvout on my Mobility Radeon 9200 showing ubuntu desktop fine. Mythtv menu system displays fine too, but as soon as you go into playback mode the tvout screen is nearly blank. ie: computer monitor shows working video, but TV shows an almost-black blue, my mouse (which i told mythtv to show), and proper black above & below (letterbox frame). any ideas?

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Tanthrix:

harvest316: Sounds like an acceleration issue of some kind. (IE, only your primary display as GL / whatever enabled, and the secondary (clone) does not

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Tanthrix:

harvest316: A lot of cards are not capable of doing both, and you have to choose between one or the other to do accelerated things

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harvest316:

okay. will turn off LCD

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harvest316:

taa

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harvest316:

tanthrix: thank you!

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Tanthrix:

No prob, though I'm not sure I was of much help.

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harvest316:

well, hey, its something to try at least!

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lucidblue:

cesman: you around? knoppmyth works awesome!

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lucidblue:

... but, I did get some odd errors on file copy, and I can't ssh in because passwords are off?

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justinh:

why does someone think having a delete button in mythvideo is a great idea? ffs

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justinh:

you can see what's coming.. "oops! help! I deleted a video, now I can't get it back. Why not 'expire' the video instead of deleting it right away?"

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portahex:

mythvideo has a different scope to viewing recordings, and should not include a delete button

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justinh:

not that it'd work on my frontend because I only mount the video share read only.. but that's not the point

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portahex:

for one thing, a lot of the time, the videos shown will be on a network share you don't neccessarily have write permission on

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portahex:

tee hee, see?

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DenBeiren:

hey

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DenBeiren:

someone in hete who has experience with DVB-S cards and mythtv?

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BULLE:

DenBeiren: dvb-c

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DenBeiren:

no,.. dvbS Satdish BULLE

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DenBeiren:

anyone? :)

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DenBeiren:

seems like the wrong time of day :d

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DenBeiren:

everyone sleeping or out to eat

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DenBeiren:

BULLE: syill there?

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BULLE:

yes

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BULLE:

and i have only used dvb-c

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DenBeiren:

maybe you could answer my question too

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BULLE:

still, its the same linux dvb api

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BULLE:

so unless its a hardware related question, eg if thingy x supports provider y etc, i might be able to help

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DenBeiren:

when you have one tuner in the backend,.. can you watch/ record with multiple md's?

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BULLE:

mds ?

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BULLE:

"md" is what i would call one stream inside the system stream that you receive via dvb ?

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BULLE:

eg, one of the channels that are in the same system stream / mux / whatever the correct term is

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justinh:

not so much the wrong time of day.. we generally get people asking for help with dvb-s here but nobody ever really can.. not much anyway

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justinh:

and it isnt that there aren't many dvb-s users of mythtv – just that nobody has yet bothered to write a complete howto for satellite

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BULLE:

justinh: this seemed more of a general dvb question though

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justinh:

if nobody beats me to it, when I get my dvb-s card I'll do it.. when I figure it out

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BULLE:

ye, i dont have dvb-s so i cant realy help out with that

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BULLE:

no place to palce the darn dish

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DenBeiren:

with md's, i mean "clients"

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DenBeiren:

here in belgium, we only have one provider that gives flemish channels on the satdish,.. so i would like to have one dvb card, with cardreader to decode the channels, and +/- 5 clients that can watch tv

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jduggan_:

justinh: what are you planning to capture with dvb-s? the freesat stuff?

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DenBeiren:

but i don't know if mythtv is able to "cut up" the channels

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BULLE:

DenBeiren: as long as all the channels are in the same transport stream, a new svn version of mythtv should allow you to watch serveral mpeg program streams from the same transport stream afaik

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BULLE:

DenBeiren: if the channels are spread over different transport streams, then no, as those are broadcasted on different frequencies

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BULLE:

atleast that is how it works on dvb-c

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BULLE:

and dvb-t

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DenBeiren:

with sat material,.. you have devices that allow you to put multiple dishes on one cable (read: multiple freq on one cable)

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DenBeiren:

or one dish for multiple users

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BULLE:

DenBeiren: also, if you can decode channels, depend a bit on what encryption they use for their broadcasts, if you can get hold of a CAM

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DenBeiren:

eg appartment buildings

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BULLE:

DenBeiren: yes, but if you have one dish for multiple users, you still need one tuner for each transport stream

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DenBeiren:

i have a camreader with the card

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BULLE:

mythtv cant magicaly get a single tuner to tune into multiple frequencies at the same time

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DenBeiren:

well that was the initial question,..

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BULLE:

DenBeiren: that has nothing to do with mythtv real, its upp to the hardware you have

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BULLE:

DenBeiren: to tune into multiple frequencies, you need multiple tuners

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DenBeiren:

but if i have a backend with for example 5 tuners in, of two backends with 2 and 3 tuners in it would work?

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DenBeiren:

is it possible to have two backends running next to eachother?

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justinh:

you can have slave backends, yeah

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justinh:

just as long as they're all running the same version of mythtv, down to the very revision number

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justinh:

same for frontends

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justinh:

when you set the slave backend(s) up just tell them what IP address the master server lives at – and as long as the master server is running on the LAN ip address (i.e. not 127.0.0.1) and the mysql privileges are correct it'll work

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mzb_d800:

DenBeiren: I have dvb-t

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** portahex looks forward to using dvb-s and dvb-t when he moves into his very own house **

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justinh:

there's no theoretical limit to the number of systems you can have in a mythtv setup, other than what your local network is capable of (and of course the master backend's capabilities)

[12:03:33]

mzb_d800:

if dvb-s is similiar, in that you have multiple programme streams within a transport, then you will need to build mythtv from the multirec branch to take advantage of the extra channels simultaneously

[12:03:45]

justinh:

mzb_d800: it is

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justinh:

with the higher bandwidth available to satellites they can put more channels on one transport than with dvb-t

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BULLE:

ye, one tuner with a cam and smartcard for each transport stream

[12:05:21]

mzb_d800:

oh, I see ... sounds reasonable

[12:05:23]

justinh:

BULLE: assuming the CAM can handle it. not all can

[12:05:55]

BULLE:

justinh: ye, i just silently assumed it could, as all cams i have ever used have had that ability, but ye

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mzb_d800:

the bottom line with both (any) systems is that a tuner can only tune to one frequency at a time

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BULLE:

mzb_d800: aye

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justinh:

well yeah until high powered fast DSPs with bandwidths of a Ghz or so allow more than one freq to be tuned at once :P

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portahex:

but, in some scenarios, a frewquency can have lots of channels which you can tune at the same time with

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mzb_d800:

so it simply comes down to how many streams each frequency has, the capability of the tuner to handle multiple streams (most should, afaik), and the ability of mythtv to use those abilities (multirec branch only)

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justinh:

there are already some silicon tuners which can tune more than one freq at the same time

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justinh:

none in PC cards yet though

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mzb_d800:

portahex: that's what I said

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BULLE:

i assume the multirec stuff will be in next mythtv release ?

[12:12:14]

justinh:

BULLE: don't count on it

[12:12:38]

justinh:

it's reckoned to be close to being ready to being merged into trunk though

[12:12:39]

portahex:

it should be. 0.21 had better be a pretty *tender loving* phenomenal release, given how long the delay has been

[12:13:31]

justinh:

it's revealed some shortcomings in the scheduler, but that's mainly because no live myth system has ever had so many tuners (in principle) in the real world

[12:16:06]

justinh:

we all know how VDR has been doing multiple streams from one transport for ages but VDR doesn't have mythtv's clever scheduler ;)

[12:17:18]

portahex:

vdr does multirec?

[12:19:13]

justinh:

aye. has done since its inception AFAIK

[12:19:33]

justinh:

but it lacks mythtv's erm.. finesse, hence the fuss

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BULLE:

ye, if my memory serves me right VDR started out as dvb only ?

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portahex:

fully featured dvb-s no less

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justinh:

yup

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acollins:

can anyone tell me how to add existing mpeg files to my mythtv backend? I would like to use the upnp functionality to watch them on a PS3

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mzb_d800:

acollins: that's two different issues :)

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portahex:

acollins, use mythvideo

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portahex:

acollins, i.e. install mythvideo on the backend, and add all the files to it

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mzb_d800:

have a look at (or for) myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

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portahex:

that's the dirty way to do it

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mzb_d800:

depends what your aim is

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Zathraz:

Hi. Internal player of mythtdvd plays DVDs but no menu and no sound. using Mythdvd-0.20–2 on Debian Etch with tv-out on PVR350. Sound is ok with mythtv and mythmusic (cable loopback from pvr350 to soundcard). Any thoughts please?

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portahex:

mzb_d800, either will achieve the desired result

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mzb_d800:

yes, probably :)

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mzb_d800:

(I use both)

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portahex:

mzb_d800, definitely, if my ps3 is to be believed

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portahex:

mzb_d800, i just don't like the idea of adding non-recordings to the recordings list

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mzb_d800:

heh .. that assumes they were non-recordings in the first place

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mzb_d800:

(but that's another story)

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** BULLE sings the song about how he wish mythv would have a more integrated view of media, and not separate videos, recordings, music like it does **

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mzb_d800:

portahex: I agree with your sentiment

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** justinh sings the users who never submit code song **

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mzb_d800:

BULLE: yes, I live for that day

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mzb_d800:

justinh: you submit code?

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portahex:

i'd settle for mythvideo taking a better approach to series, rather than being movie-centric

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BULLE:

justinh: ye, thing is though, that such a thing is no minor thing, and most likely would require a pretty big rewrite of core parts

[12:36:44]

BULLE:

justinh: so its not something you just step in, and add a piece of code, and it all works

[12:40:42]

justinh:

mzb_d800: check the commits archive

[12:41:01]

mzb_d800:

justinh: I've checked the source

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mzb_d800:

but either way ... rather than criticising, I suggest you encourage

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mzb_d800:

you're creating an additional barrier to entry which is not necessary

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justinh:

suggesting features is not contributing

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portahex:

which barrier to entry is that, exactly?

[12:44:58]

mzb_d800:

the abuse barrier

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justinh:

call that abuse? lol

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mzb_d800:

justinh: bullshit

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mzb_d800:

suggesting features is a necessary part of any project

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justinh:

anybody can send patches into trac

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justinh:

yeah but it's still up to devs to code them at the end of the day, and if none can be rattled about it, as if by magic nothing happens :)

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mzb_d800:

yeah, and derogatory + belittling comments from you is not going to encourage a (possibly) new contributor with an idea

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justinh:

when was I derogatory?

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mzb_d800:

grep -i derogatory ~/.xchat/xchatlogs/*mythtv*

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mzb_d800:

want me to count the times?

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mzb_d800:

I'm just asking you to tone it down

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** justinh adopts the 'ahppy flowery, all users are sacred' stance **

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justinh:

happy now?

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mzb_d800:

can I staple it to your head, instead of you just "adpoting" it? :)

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justinh:

not on your nelly mate

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mzb_d800:

ok, well I'd suggest you find a way to make the change permanent ... while keeping your sense of humour

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justinh:

if you like, have a look at the feature requests in the wiki & see how many have been adopted. people do look at them believe me

[12:49:51]

mzb_d800:

(that needs to stay;)

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mzb_d800:

fair enough ... and by the same token, users need to be freely able to view those opinions here

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justinh:

did anybody stop you?

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justinh:

you have rights as much as I do

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mzb_d800:

you've made a few jokes at my expense ... nothing I've been concerned about

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justinh:

what jokes?

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mzb_d800:

however, I've noticed you putting others down when making suggestions ... and to be honest ... it SHITS ME!

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justinh:

oh yeah that old adage about a cancer on the face of open source software because I don't cuddle everybody & promise them their idea will be in the next release

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mzb_d800:

don't bother bitching and twisting my words

[12:54:27]

mzb_d800:

I've seen enough of that to last me a life time ... and not just from women

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mzb_d800:

you know that is not what I said

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mzb_d800:

(or suggested)

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portahex:

actually, that's what i read it as

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justinh:

yeah but I've seen that suggested enough time

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portahex:

i usually link back to something i wrote a couple of years ago at this point, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/5/

[12:56:15]

justinh:

"requests without patches don't go anywhere".. "BAH! you're evil incarnate!!!!!"

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mzb_d800:

you seem to have this black and white picture in your head that involves users on one side, and devs on the other. My comments to you have been about the barrier (that you perpetuate with your derogatory humour) between the two.

[12:58:40]

mzb_d800:

I'd suggest to you that the world is much more grayscale (if not colour;)

[12:58:43]

justinh:

the bottom line is this.. ideas are all very well and good. if nobody cares enough to put them into practise they're useless. it's hard getting people to care enough. a few glib comments in an irc channel aren't going to get things done. there's plenty of ways users can contribute. they can go to the wiki & submit their idea in the feature requests area, they can edit howtos and all kinds of things. but do they?!

[12:59:04]

justinh:

it's a two-way street

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mzb_d800:

and THIS CHANNEL IS ONE WAY

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portahex:

justinh, are you finished coding the unified mythtv media stance yet?

[12:59:36]

justinh:

portahex: yeah I'll do it when I'm done porting mythfrontend to windows

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portahex:

mzb_d800, how does one comment 24 minutes ago lead to a major rewrite of core parts of myth?

[13:00:46]

justinh:

I know it's frustrating not being able to code. hell there's loads I want to do. loads more I want to be able to do

[13:00:53]

portahex:

mzb_d800, at the very least, a use case scenario might be presentable in some format to the people who actually write code (who generally avoid the flotsam & jetsam of this channel) could let them think "this is a good idea" or "this is a bad idea"

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justinh:

portahex: but having to write a use case is a barrier to contirbutions

[13:01:39]

portahex:

mzb_d800, if you're not going to write it yourself, then you need to be in a position to convince those capable of writing it why they should. a 1-liner in an irc channel isn't that way

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portahex:

justinh, i can code. i'm probably not allowed to be part of this argument

[13:02:45]

justinh:

I can't code to any major degree. I can kind of understand some things & use copy & paste

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portahex:

justinh, isn't that how all developers write code? O_o

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mzb_d800:

portahex: this issue is not about major rewrites, it's about user feedback and suggestions ... one of the most important aspects of any open source project

[13:03:58]

portahex:

mzb_d800, feedback and suggestions to whom?

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mzb_d800:

and how that feedback is treated (particularly in public)

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justinh:

where does all this 'it's for the users' thing come from though? A good few people I know only develop open source stuff for them and if other people might like it that's nice

[13:04:49]

justinh:

s/them/themselves

[13:05:02]

mzb_d800:

yes, I agree ... I've got one of those myself

[13:05:12]

portahex:

justinh, that's most projects. it's impossible to sensibly contribute to something you don't use

[13:05:16]

justinh:

sorry for not being a typical altruistic tree-hugger

[13:05:19]

mzb_d800:

mythtv is bigger than that

[13:05:19]

portahex:

and really, that's the problem with user suggestions

[13:05:29]

portahex:

take the endless "mythyoutube" request

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justinh:

mzb_d800: by good fortune more than intent I think

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portahex:

none of the main developers gives a shit, or would ever use it

[13:05:46]

justinh:

bit like mythpython

[13:05:50]

portahex:

so who's gonna write it?

[13:05:51]

mzb_d800:

reality confusing your ideals?

[13:07:35]

mzb_d800:

the amount of conversation in this # should at the very least prove the point that users come here for help and to make suggestions

[13:07:44]

portahex:

make suggestions to whom?

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justinh:

anyway what's got lost in the mire here is that I actually agree with you mzb_d800 – one day having all media treated the same way somehow instead of separately could be great. I've often thought about how it'd work without being too complex for users and it's a tricky one. very tricky. some people would object (and I know because I've spoken to them about it) to having to enable/disable filters for different kinds

[13:08:16]

mzb_d800:

I agree

[13:08:37]

justinh:

I'd object if the frontend was turned into some kind of naff filebrowser thing like xbmc is, for example

[13:08:46]

mzb_d800:

:)

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portahex:

justinh, i like it as it is. tv is ephemeral, video and music isn't. the segmentation helps me make that distinction

[13:09:03]

justinh:

hell even xbmc compartmentalises them

[13:09:12]

mzb_d800:

and random play of music videos?

[13:09:32]

portahex:

mythvideo can't cope properly with anything other than movies. that's a seperate issue

[13:09:47]

portahex:

but it needs looking at by a ui designer first & foremost. i'm no ui expert

[13:10:08]

portahex:

some mockups or somesuch would lead to code

[13:10:13]

justinh:

the ideal, I think would be a unified UI. not so much putting it all in one place but making the majority of it, if not all of it, work much the same way throughout

[13:10:31]

portahex:

me posting "mythvideo sucks, i have 7 series of star trek and it takes ages to scroll through them" doesn't get things done

[13:10:42]

portahex:

justinh, Internal!

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justinh:

see this is where the detail makes a suggestion _useful_

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mzb_d800:

http://openpaste.org/en/4048/

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mzb_d800:

$ ls /myth/video/videos/Music/*.pls

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mzb_d800:

/myth/video/videos/Music/All Music Videos.pls

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justinh:

mzb_d800: a matter of fact is that it might not be impossible to make the Internal player cope with music alone

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mzb_d800:

(associated command = play_random.sh)

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mzb_d800:

triple negative? :)

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portahex:

shoehorning music videos into mythmusic, that'd be interesting

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portahex:

i wonder what would be required...

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justinh:

portahex: be easier the other way around I think

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mzb_d800:

a custom player command, or a custom command for file extensions (as with MythVideo) ???

[13:15:38]

portahex:

justinh, music into mythvideo? mythvideo's already garbage for anything other than movies

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mzb_d800:

justinh: perhaps, but music videos are better suited to the random+playlist functions available in MythMusic

[13:15:55]

portahex:

justinh, playlists? random? visualisations? oh, i get it, you just hate the crappy mythmusic ui, right?

[13:16:02]

justinh:

you can get mythvideo to act on any kind of file you like & run any program with them

[13:16:20]

justinh:

I don't think I'd ever say 'hate'

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mzb_d800:

yes, but had not playlist functionality

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mzb_d800:

s/had not/has no/

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justinh:

I certainly hate theming it

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portahex:

assuming mythvideo is using myth's internal player for playback, and not its own distinct thing, i can see how it'd be done

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portahex:

not too much work, really

[13:17:35]

mzb_d800:

I can see that eventually the two might merge ... from the point of view that they have *some* similar functions ... but they have different purposes

[13:17:53]

justinh:

portahex: the trick will be getting Internal to cope with a stream which is only audio. right now a dummy video stream is needed for audio only streams

[13:18:19]

portahex:

justinh, well, i can copypaste that code from the dvb radio stuff, surely?

[13:18:42]

portahex:

anyway, one bugbear is the lack of metadata in most video formats

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justinh:

well.. we've already got something called a database to hold metadata

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justinh:

;)

[13:20:14]

justinh:

mythdvd got pulled into mythvideo, and mythvideo is eking its way towards mythfrontend.. you can see the conclusion without looking too hard

[13:20:42]

portahex:

armageddon!

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justinh:

Heliocrud!

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justinh:

actually no.. helio whatever it's called. they were nice & removed my name from their files

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mzb_d800:

:)

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justinh:

and they've been submitting enhancements to trac too

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justinh:

if they get rid of all the sudo stuff in their core code they might be onto something, who knows

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justinh:

mzb_d800: so is that helpful script & stuff mentioned in the wiki now?

[13:27:25]

mzb_d800:

no :)

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mzb_d800:

had to register

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** jduggan_ wonders why gordon ramsey gets paid so much **

[13:27:45]

mzb_d800:

and then organise transport for TV

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** jduggan_ just made poached egg and beans on toast without needing a cook book **

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mzb_d800:

before going to in-laws for TV

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justinh:

jduggan_: lol

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justinh:

mzb_d800: a few users might find it useful ;)

[13:29:01]

mzb_d800:

yeah, I got that impression ... I've found the page I want to put it in ... just got delayed by the rego (and everything else)

[13:29:06]

portahex:

jduggan, if you want fine chefs, watch some Iron Chef. t'is the finest cookery show on the telly

[13:29:22]

justinh:

see, even _that_ is contributing. it's not c++ & qt but people'll find it useful to have

[13:29:27]

mzb_d800:

I'll do it tomorrow morning with my other duties

[13:29:39]

** portahex ports mythtv to cross-platform c# and opengl **

[13:30:12]

mzb_d800:

all of my contributions have been script

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justinh:

god even correcting errors/omissions/typos in the wiki is contributing. wish more people would

[13:30:41]

mzb_d800:

well ... not quite true .. but close enough to 100% script ;)

[13:30:44]

justinh:

it's all good. it all adds to the value

[13:31:01]

mzb_d800:

Ramdisk Rescue is 5000 lines of ash

[13:31:13]

justinh:

certainly more than putting "mythmusic sucks, make it better by the next release or I'll use MCE" does :P

[13:31:17]

mzb_d800:

and dvd-baker wouldn't be far off it

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justinh:

mzb_d800: it sometimes rattles me that I'm often taken as being more confrontational & unfriendly than I really am. this is the internet after all, I keep having to remind myself

[13:32:23]

mzb_d800:

and I wrote a small grabber for Australian Internode users of the shoutcast patch (probably a sum total of 2 users to date;))

[13:32:50]

justinh:

when I compile my new frontend I'm gonna use that shoutcast patch

[13:33:36]

mzb_d800:

justinh: that's possibly true ... I've discovered your sarcasm seems to fade in+out ;) ... generally your good humour covers it

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jduggan:

heh

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justinh:

I'm sarcastic most of the time. and we all know how well sarcasm works on the intertubes

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justinh:

bah still no mac mini donation. maybe I _should_ try being sickeningly nice all the time ;)

[13:34:55]

mzb_d800:

heh :)

[13:36:10]

mzb_d800:

that would make you sound hormonal ;)

[13:36:55]

portahex:

sound?

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mzb_d800:

lol

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justinh:

mornin gbee

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gbee:

morning

[13:40:28]

gbee:

well, afternoon

[13:40:38]

mzb_d800:

http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/temp/so_big.ogg

[13:40:47]

mzb_d800:

http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/temp/bigger_than.ogg

[13:40:54]

mzb_d800:

cepestral voices

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mzb_d800:

err

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mzb_d800:

http://cepstral.com/

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justinh:

as in.. 'inaudible' voices heard when playing back recordings 'from the dead' or something? watched a doc about those once – was interesting

[13:42:14]

justinh:

hahaha no

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justinh:

not even close

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gbee:

well the oggs are silent, so it wasn't a bad guess ;)

[13:43:55]

mzb_d800:

plays for me

[13:44:04]

justinh:

website crashes firefox

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mzb_d800:

straight ftp download

[13:44:40]

gbee:

probably just vlc not working but failing silently

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justinh:

I meant cepstral.com

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mzb_d800:

s/ftp/http/

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mzb_d800:

ah

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mzb_d800:

I see

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justinh:

reminds me I need to try out audio over freenx sometime

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Zathraz:

Guys, sorry, no ideas about my Internal Player issue? (no sound, while all other mythtv modules give sound)?

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... works for me

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justinh:

Zathraz: well, the Internal player is what's used for recordings. do thet give you audio?

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mzb_d800:

(cepstral webpage)

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mzb_d800:

(using mplayer-plugin)

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Zathraz:

I can watch TV with sound, listen to MPs, but watching movies does not give sound

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justinh:

Zathraz: what kind of files?

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Zathraz:

so I should test with a TV recording?

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justinh:

Zathraz: what kind of files?

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Zathraz:

justinh, various kind of files. Also playing commercial DVDs (various) does not give sound

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justinh:

weird

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justinh:

if playing back recordings & live tv gives you audio, then playing videos with the Internal player should too

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justinh:

since they use the same settings

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mzb_d800:

almost sounds like a language|localisation issue

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Zathraz:

not sure if recorded TV gives sound

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justinh:

Zathraz: if 'watch tv' gives you sound and it's in sync with the video that's the same thing

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Zathraz:

machine is Debian Etch all US based although I do not live there. TV is PAL as I live in Holland. That works fine

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gbee:

seen Paul's latest project? Should please a lot of people

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justinh:

gbee: no, wassat?

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gbee:

allowing mythmusic to continue playing in the background

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Zathraz:

justinh, watch TV gives sound which is insync untill I switch from TVcard #1 to #2 and back again. Both sound and video do not like that. Probably because it is too much to ask from my epia

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Zathraz:

cool

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justinh:

er.. nice. I think

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** justinh sympathises with epia owners everywhere. we're all lumbered with lame machines :) **

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justinh:

not for much longer I hope! ever wished on a star? I'm wishing on a T5600 core2 duo chip

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Zathraz:

to tackle the limited power of the Epia M12000 I installed a PVR350 with hw MPEG2. But that appears to have other drawbacks

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justinh:

heh. like it's made by Via

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justinh:

I used to love my epia. not anymore

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mzb_d800:

they've made a few good chips haven't they? ... I've got a great VIA USB2 card ... made even better by hacksawing it half :))

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mzb_d800:

perhaps VIA != graphics ?

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justinh:

all the bad rap for their chipsets – I've no idea where that comes from. never had any trouble with via chipset boards in general

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justinh:

this epia thing is something else though. they can't even play SDTV mpeg2 without xvmc, and that's lame

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mzb_d800:

really? Even my p3–650 does that easily ... but that is with an nv card I supposr

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justinh:

nevermind. spend £100 on some core2 duo mobile parts on ebay & avoid having to debug the problem.. (is it drivers? is it mythtv? it is something else?)

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mzb_d800:

s/easily/without TOO much trouble/

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mzb_d800:

gnite all

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justinh:

night

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Dabian:

I've been checking out the HOWTO to find out how to store stuff on DVD. Is it correct to assume that its not easy to burn a recorded thing to DVD so that it can be used in a standalone DVD-player?

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gbee:

Dabian: look at mytharchive

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gbee:

does exactly that

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/archive_example.png

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Dabian:

gbee : Cool. I am running out of diskspace and I think I lost a show due to lack of diskspace.

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Dabian:

gbee : I must say that when configured, myth truely impresses me!

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Zathraz:

justinh, just upgraded to the svn edition of 21–10. Still same issue (recorded TV session: sound is ok (just checked)). Play DVD : no sound and in some cases (reservar dogs origignal DVD: no image)

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portahex:

what did i say about 350s?

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portahex:

something about nobody using them anymore, i think

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Zathraz:

what is the recommended alternative atm? (Not that I am about to part some extra cash). Always nice to know for fuure projects.

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portahex:

Zathraz, for output: any nvidia card.

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portahex:

Zathraz, for analog mpeg2 encoder input, the pvr150 (or pvr500 for dual-tuner)

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justinh:

Zathraz: ahhh.. pvr350 won't output ac3 streams

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justinh:

they won't work. everything you put through them has to be mpeg2, max

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portahex:

justinh, indeed. but don't let the enormous number of downsides get in the way!

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justinh:

heheheh

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justinh:

there's always a price to pay with 'free'

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ol_schoola:

time, sometimes liots of it

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Zathraz:

so. It's a hw issue. Or is there a workaround possible?

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ol_schoola:

lots

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portahex:

Zathraz, it's a hardware issue. the pvr 350 isn't designed for anything featureful

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justinh:

Zathraz: my epia can play xvid/divx & DVD just fine outside of mythtv – i.e. with xine or mplayer

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justinh:

it's only recordings that give me problems

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ol_schoola:

i have a question about recordings missing from the database but still in storage

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justinh:

even then I know I can fix them with ffmpeg & a user job but I don't see why I should have to. can't be bothered. just bin it & throw cpu cycles at it instead :)

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tank-man:

any suggestions on how to get a mpeg2 i have (outputed from lossless transcode done with mythtranscode) to play on a ps3? a file created by my pvr250 plays fine. the mythtranscoded file shows up as "corrupted"

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portahex:

tank-man, firmware 2.01?

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tank-man:

yea

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** justinh suggests ffmpeg.. that's his answer to everything **

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portahex:

tank-man, still mpeg2-ts, or is it mpeg2-ps now?

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justinh:

it'll be PS after going through mythtranscode I imagine

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tank-man:

no idea. whatever mythtranscode outputs

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tank-man:

the "file" command shows both filess as same types

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ol_schoola:

while toying with a replacement mbe (not in production yet), i'd set the Min Free Space setting real high thinking in terms of the 2TB of storage locally

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ol_schoola:

that action was global and wiped out 2 months of shows on the real mbe, as designed

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tank-man:

justinh, by ffmpeg you mean re-encode it?

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justinh:

tank-man: try ffmpeg -i $thefilename

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justinh:

that'll tell yer

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portahex:

tank-man, as tex font metric data?

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ol_schoola:

i hadf just made a backup of the shows that got tossed and have them on one of the new drives

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justinh:

ol_schoola: there's a script somewhere to find orphan files & database entries. use _extreme_ _caution_ when running it though

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ol_schoola:

what was the contrib utility that scans a path and readds them to the database? i don't have access to that filesystem right now

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justinh:

by that I mean back up your database first

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portahex:

kelp.

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justinh:

mythtvfindorphans.pl or other

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tank-man:

"ffmpeg -i" shows both files (the playable one and unplayable one) as same video/audio types

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ol_schoola:

justdave: that is always the fgirst thing i do, except when i backed up all those shows :(

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justinh:

tank-man: maybe it's the stream indexes then

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portahex:

i know the ps3 is happy to play mpegts with mp2 audio

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portahex:

it's not happy with other audio in mpegts though

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justinh:

this is where I call in ffmpeg to do a quick & dirty thing.. ffmpeg -i $thefile -acodec copy -v codec copy $outfile

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portahex:

and there's no way to switch audio stream

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ol_schoola:

justdave: thank you. i'll look into it after the game. i'm on the train heading downtown for the Bears game

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justinh:

that may or may not work, your house may be reposessed if you do not keep up payments on a loan secured upon it, yada yada yada

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ol_schoola:

sb/justinh

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tank-man:

i'll try that

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portahex:

justinh, great, you tell me that AFTER i arrange a mortgage

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justinh:

bah I don't have a spare USB stick big enough to fit this 2 hour mix on

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justinh:

portahex: did you not RTFM? bwahahahahahahaha... (etc)

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Patina:

How do you make a screenshot i mythtv?

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Patina:

Is it even possible?

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tank-man:

well, with kde, i just press "print screen" button

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justinh:

Patina: there is in trunk :) even has its own keybinding

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Patina:

tank-man: Thanks, but there is no keyboard.

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Patina:

justinh: And were do I get this trunk?

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Patina:

I guess it's a version of mythtv.

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justinh:

it'll only do a shot of currently playing video though

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Zathraz:

anyone here knows if there are plans to make internal player configurable in furure versions so video output and sound output can be separated to various outputs

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Zathraz:

justinh, still wierd though that watching TV and watching recordings still works fine. Sound output from those players get directed to alsa directly or something?

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justinh:

they might do

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justinh:

or you could just direct all audio there – but then I don't know what that'll do to the sync

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Zathraz:

any change I might get things to work with an other player such as mplayer?

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justinh:

no chance

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justinh:

not without transcoding the audio on the fly

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Zathraz:

kind of sucks. That way I would have to spend at least 120 euro or something. And a bunch of time to get things working again the way I want

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Zathraz:

120 euro is way more than a seperate DVD player

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justinh:

120 euro?

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Zathraz:

for a PVR500

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justinh:

I said my epia can play all those files no problem

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justinh:

with the 'via' driver specified in xorg.conf

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Zathraz:

so you run the Xserver on the EPIA and not on the pvr350

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justinh:

I don't have a pvr350. I wouldn't have one given

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Zathraz:

what epia do you own?

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justinh:

m10k

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justinh:

plays dvds, divx, xvid etc just fine. even (mostly) plays recordings ok too. not 100% of the time though which is why it's going on a journey soon

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Zathraz:

how did you link your EPIA up to your TVset?

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justinh:

svideo

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justinh:

quality is pretty good, comparable to my panasonic dvd player

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Zathraz:

still wierd though. Zillions of howtoś, threads etc. on using PVR350 with MythtV. Yet not much info about this sound issue. All howtos suggest hooking up the tv through the pvr350 and loopbacking the sound just like I did

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justinh:

they're OLD threads

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Zathraz:

Well, I started configuring MyhtTV when the PVR500 did not even exist

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Dabian:

I consider bying a PVR500 in addition to my PVR350 .. I assume that would make it possible to record 3 stations at a time.

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tank-man:

yes

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Dabian:

Does the PVR500 come with radio, btw?

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justinh:

Zathraz: try the onboard audio to see if the dvd audio comes out of that – worth a shot

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justinh:

Dabian: some do but you only get one fm tuner IIRC

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Dabian:

I would consider ditching the 350 and just use the PVR500 or get two of them.

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Dabian:

One PVR500 might be enough though .. splitting the antenna once more would probably reduce the quality of the signal?

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Dabian:

(We dont have digital broadcast here)

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Dabian:

Whats the expirience with more than two analog tuners?

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Dabian:

justinh: You have 3 tuners or something, right?

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Zathraz:

justinh, this works fine (sound, no video) from commandline: ivtvfbctl /dev/fb0 -alpha 0; mplayer -vo ivtv dvd://; ivtvfbctl /dev/fb0 -alpha 255

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justinh:

Dabian: aye 3 tuners. all digital

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justinh:

all using the same 'video source'

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code-r:

ok im trying to tune into a DVB channel. if i run it through SZAP and mplayer i can see it, but with myth i just see a balck screen, and the store shows a 0 meg file size. any idea whats going on?

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code-r:

or at least an idea of where to look for an error?

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Hamburglr:

hey all, is there a way to ignore a specific commflag? I'm trying to watch one of my recordings and it's skipping to the end of the program

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code-r:

any one know anythign about dvb's

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justinh:

Hamburglr: easy. just disable autoskipping from the OSD menu

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code-r:

"2007-11–25 12:13:30.386 DTVSM(1)::GetStatusList: WaitForPMT seen(0) matching(0)

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code-r:

what does that mean?

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justinh:

looks like it's waiting to find the PMT for the transponder it's tuned to

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code-r:

oddd,,, when i did a SZAP it found it and played the stream with mplayer wo a problem :-S

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justinh:

PMT is a table which is broadcast – one of the tables that contains info about the channels on the transponder

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justinh:

anyway I wasn't aware there were FTA satellites in canada

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code-r:

yeh there are

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gbee:

code-r: how did you get the channel information into mythtv? Scanning with mythtv or something else?

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code-r:

its not much but they are up there

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code-r:

scanning

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Hamburglr:

thanks justinh

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code-r:

http://pastebin.ca/796981

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justinh:

gbee: you were right. #4222 indeed looks interesting

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code-r:

any ideas

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justinh:

code-r: first idea would be that bird isn't following the dvb spec & myth needs a workaround for it

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jams:

nice

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justinh:

code-r: be interesting to see what the backend log output is too

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lucidblue:

cesman: welp, I'm loving knoppmyth — and my remote is just as responsive, it turned out to be the IR plug not contacting well... the gui goes off the screen a little, and I can see were to adjust it (in pixels), but I don't know what the size of the screen is, I'm thinking 640x480 or seomthing

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code-r:

backend output = http://pastebin.ca/796981

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jams:

justinh- finally got around to working on that script to walk the theme and take screenshots

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justinh:

jams: cool!

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code-r:

using --verbose important,general.eit,playback,channel

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jams:

it's not complete, but it gets most stuff

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justinh:

code-r: that's the same pastebin & it doesn't look like backend log

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jams:

it's tied to a vertical menu with the default menu-theme. But changing things up shouldn't be hard

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code-r:

it is

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code-r:

but ill paste the wHOLE thing

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justinh:

code-r: no need

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code-r:

ok !?!?

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justinh:

still looks like myth doesn't know what to do with the stream

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code-r:

odd...

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jams:

it's currently grabbing 65 different screens.

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code-r:

well i guess thast about as much help as i can requiest here :)

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code-r:

time to see why the patches dont work :-S

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justinh:

what patches?

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code-r:

myth patches – work arounds

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code-r:

sopposed to fix these problems *sigh*

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code-r:

at least i knwo where my problem lies now

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justinh:

patches you got from somewhere else or are you referring to what I said earlier?

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Aval0n:

hey guys, I'ved used .20.1 .20.2 and now svn, but I still have one annoying problem. After 15–20 minutes of watching any HD recording, I get random hesitations, or jerks. Can anyone point me in a direction to how I might figure out what's going on?

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lucidblue:

Aval0n: have you tried it with a different app? maybe heat? I'm new, so I can't be much help

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Aval0n:

nah man

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code-r:

paches for comment: justinh> code-r: first idea would be that bird isn't following the dvb spec & myth needs a workaround for it

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code-r:

got the patches from some where else, and they wored before :-S arg

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** justinh smells illegal stuff **

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** code-r has no idea what justinh is talking about **

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code-r:

there is no illigal activities afoot!

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Aval0n:

i sent yew some cash justin

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justinh:

code-r: well if the patches were from somewhere else, I'd take it up with them

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Aval0n:

I reall like glasswide

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justinh:

Aval0n: cheers man!

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Aval0n:

really*

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justinh:

my frontend will appreciate it too :)

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Aval0n:

hehe

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code-r:

justinh: hence you guys helped me all i can hope for:) thanx

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Aval0n:

I'm actually rolling blootube-wide though

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Aval0n:

something about how hi-def the watermarks are

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justinh:

code-r: can't really help if you've applied patches from somewhere outside of the mythtv base

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code-r:

@jjustinh: front end??? appreciateing??? now hows smelling like illigal activities

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Aval0n:

omg

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code-r:

justinh: yes, but you DID point me in the right direction

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** Aval0n smells retard **

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** code-r smells **

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code-r:

DOH!

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code-r:

stupid enter :-S

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code-r:

anyway thank you.

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Aval0n:

just kidding about the retard :)

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Aval0n:

well kinda...

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Aval0n:

;)

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Aval0n:

brb

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Aval0n:

you guys see that holk hogan found out about his divorce from a reporter??

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Aval0n:

lol how crappy is that.

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justinh:

brb

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code-r:

hmm odd my computer segfaults when i try to compile svn

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code-r:

but then i run make again and it coninues

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** code-r smells burning ram **

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Mayber:

well that's nice. mythtv just filled up my entire hard drive...

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Mayber:

is there a way to tell it to NOT record everything?

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code-r:

hye out of curiosity why does myth have "DISHNET" eit flag on it?

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GreyFoxx:

code-r: Because dishnet has the option of an alternate EIT pid that only theyt use for longterm EIT data

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code-r:

+GreyFoxx: on a differnt note.. is there a hardware cam for dishnet

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GreyFoxx:

not sure if that flag also tells us to handle the huffman encoding dishnet uses as well or not

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GreyFoxx:

code-r: none that I'm aware of

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code-r:

hmmm ok just wondering :-P

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GreyFoxx:

if there is it would make for a lot of very happy myth users :)

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justinh:

Mayber: no. myth has always recorded everything and that's probably unlikely to ever change. see http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequently_A . . . n_Live_TV.3F

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code-r:

GreyFoxx: yes i know... well doesnt matter to me.. i would need a BEV cam :-S

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GreyFoxx:

Mayber: Myth will auto expire if space is needed

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GreyFoxx:

and all livetv is expired after 24 hours by default

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jduggan:

is there any way to use dvb-s card with some freesat stuff in the UK? (legal, ofcourse)

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justinh:

Mayber: you can, however tell mythtv to keep a minimum amount of space free. the default is 1GB.

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Mayber:

hmm. ok.

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justinh:

jduggan: only what's FTA. not Channel4, Five etc

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GreyFoxx:

code-r: hehe I don;t think they have one. They did at one point but stopped deploying them a long time ago

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code-r:

GreyFoxx: yeh.. kinda wiered i herd rumors that BEV wants to sell the dishes and go tv over ip instead..

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jduggan:

justinh: not worth the effort then, trying to think of a better method than moving since i have no dvb-t :P

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GreyFoxx:

code-r: Actually, you CAN get them from BEV, but only if you are a big cable company and really push. Joe user will never get his hands on one :)

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GreyFoxx:

Assuming they still allow even that

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code-r:

GreyFoxx: its wierd that the DISH eit would be in myth, from what i understand you need to modify myth extensivly to use it ...

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Mayber:

code-r: they already have that option through their DSL service. the catch to them is, DSL isn't available everywhere, so until they decide to wire the country entirely, that's not going to happen.

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GreyFoxx:

code-r: There use to be channels in the clear

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code-r:

GreyFoxx: push bell? its bad enough getting my DSL fixed lOl

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code-r:

GreyFoxx: ahh that makes sence.

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code-r:

Mayber: i heard they do FIBER down the street then VDSL to the buildings.. and do buildting wide.. but it doesnt support HD

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GreyFoxx:

And when I added the flag I was using a dvbs card as purely a program listings source for an uncle who didn't have more than a dialup internet connection

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justinh:

jduggan: the 3rd party CAM for NDS isn't strictly illegal as such but it's not necessarily legal either. big fat grey area since it's all to do with licensing

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GreyFoxx:

code-r: I'm in Canada, but I can see the dishnet birds so I added that support for my uncle

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code-r:

GreyFoxx: yes but we dont talk about such things here :-P

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GreyFoxx:

but he's moved since then and has a schedulesdirect.org account now so he no longer users it

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code-r:

GreyFoxx: yeh i gatta get me one of those ...

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code-r:

GreyFoxx: but once my computers get revived!

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GreyFoxx:

code-r: I'm only takking about the EIT stuff, not the softcam stuff

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GreyFoxx:

That's too problematic to even bother using

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code-r:

GreyFoxx: right i knew that :)

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code-r:

GreyFoxx: yeh... but its fun to learn... you learn so muych about technology hands on.. LOL i dont even WATCH tv yet im compiling mythTV ...

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code-r:

GreyFoxx: go figure

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GreyFoxx:

That's why I like this stuff :)

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GreyFoxx:

always something new to learn :)

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code-r:

GreyFoxx: if only i had time to contribute to MYTH,

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code-r:

GreyFoxx: dam work keeps me in MS world!

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Aval0n:

grr

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Aval0n:

greyfoxx: is there specific log file that you know of that I can look at to get a clue why my hd playback would jerk after about 20–30 minutes of viewing?

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justinh:

Aval0n: usually frontend log output. -v playback

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GreyFoxx:

Aval0n: mythfrontend only logs to a file if it's told to so I can't tell you were it would be

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GreyFoxx:

but the output of mythfrontend with -v all or -v most would likely shed some light

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Aval0n:

hmm ok.

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Aval0n:

any guesses to what it could be?

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code-r:

hey is MSE remots supported?

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Aval0n:

I checked my sata hard drive xfer rate and it's 60mb/sec

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Aval0n:

I have a 3.4ghz p4 HT and 1gb of PC3200

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GreyFoxx:

code-r: MCE remote? YEah, at least with latest lirc

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GreyFoxx:

works very very well

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code-r:

good

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Aval0n:

this is just if the log file doesn't show anything

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code-r:

bad enough i have a pvr1600 :-S

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justinh:

Aval0n: dunno how valid this'd be but maybe look at how fragmented the recording store is

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code-r:

at least teh mote works

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GreyFoxx:

Aval0n: you'd have to look at whatever starts mythfrontend and see if it's telling it to log

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Aval0n:

i'm sorry justin I don't follow

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justinh:

Aval0n: _shouldn't_ be an issue AFAIK though

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code-r:

cant wait for plextor to add linux support... or at least some one to add plextor support for the new USB atsc :-S

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Aval0n:

I can watch SD stuff all day

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justinh:

Aval0n: disk fragmentation? file parts being stored all over the disk.. like I said shouldn't be an issue though but I dunno

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Aval0n:

was watching house with my wife and it started doing it again last night

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justinh:

Aval0n: over a wired network?

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cmoates:

Ok, here's a question which shows my sports ignorance. When's the next Super Bowl? Early January?

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Aval0n:

yeah I didn't think linux had fragmentation issues

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Aval0n:

justinh: my fe and be are on the same machine.

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code-r:

what chip you got in there (ghz)

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Aval0n:

3.4ghz P4 HT

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code-r:

hmm...

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justinh:

Aval0n: well, normally no. but... not many apps on linux cause as much file upheaval (writing, deleting.. ) though

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Aval0n:

I guess that's true..

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Aval0n:

how can you defragment linux?

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Aval0n:

I've never even though about doing it before

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Aval0n:

lol

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justinh:

I checked my xfs recordings partition the other day and it was over 95% fragmented

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code-r:

rm -rf / ?

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Aval0n:

uhm

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justinh:

Aval0n: AFAIK only xfs can be defragged

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Aval0n:

ok

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code-r:

whats the best fs for performance anyway

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justinh:

xfs is way better than ext3 I know that much

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justinh:

for big files like we use anyway

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Aval0n:

pretty sure i'm ext3

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jduggan:

justinh: not if you have a crash :)

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justinh:

esp when you're deleting

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** code-r sighs.. **

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code-r:

i wish i had my quad core here.. compiling myth from scrach would of been done by now

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cmoates:

code-r, what distro are you compiling on?

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justinh:

jduggan: I heard about that but I think it only gave problems if the partition was full or very nearly full

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code-r:

cmoates: fedora

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cmoates:

It installs ccache by default, right?

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justinh:

the majority of my recordings are disposable anyway, so if I lose that, tough love

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Aval0n:

i'm using an ubuntu frontend for mythtv

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Aval0n:

that was a package

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Aval0n:

so that makes starting/stopping mythtv with flags annoying

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code-r:

hmm.. dont see it

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justinh:

cmoates: ccache isn't usually installed by default in my experience

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cmoates:

xfs is only better for deletes

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Aval0n:

I have to break out a keyboard and mouse..

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Aval0n:

ahh well

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code-r:

does ccache help compiling??

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cmoates:

It's not necessarily any better for writes or reads

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cmoates:

code-r it does the second time around ;)

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cmoates:

Takes me only about 20 minutes to recompile myth now

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code-r:

cmoates: well im doing it from scrach cause m doingg svn

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justinh:

cmoates: well, been a victim of ext3 deletes crippling my machine in the past. don't want to go there again. I'll take my chances

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cmoates:

justinh, oh, don't get me wrong, I use XFS as well

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** Aval0n shoots his HTPC **

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code-r:

this is only a 1.7 p4 :-S

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cmoates:

But not because it's an overall superior FS

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justinh:

there's no _perfect_ FS

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cmoates:

Rather because it does much better with large deletes

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cmoates:

And myth tends to do those a lot :)

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justinh:

cmoates: at least for those of us who aren't file squirrels anyway :P

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Aval0n:

greyfoxx is there any way possible that I could toggle ac3 from a command line while the FE is running?

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cmoates:

Yeah, that's not me ;)

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cmoates:

code-r, all the more reason; odds are you'll want to get a newer svn at some point

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cmoates:

code-r, and ccache will help that next compile out

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Aval0n:

I wonder if it's de-interlacing my hd playback with bob2x also

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Aval0n:

i set it to CPU++

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

if that would even have anything to do with it.

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kdubya:

does bob make your OSD flicker?

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kdubya:

i never use that mess

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Aval0n:

it did on 20.2

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Aval0n:

annoying me

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Aval0n:

not on SVN

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kdubya:

heh

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Aval0n:

I had that same complaint so I ran with linear blend.

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Aval0n:

works fine on SVN (for me)

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justinh:

cant say I've ever seen the OSD flicker with bob2x

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Aval0n:

I came in here saying something about it when I was on 20.2 but people told me it should have been fixed

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justinh:

Aval0n: did you make that donation from the button on my site? not received it. only concerned cos my paypal has been a bitch lately

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Aval0n:

it was a week or so ago man

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Aval0n:

1 sec

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justinh:

ahhh

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Aval0n:

will paste

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justinh:

nevermind then :)

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justinh:

sorry I thought you meant you'd like er.. just done it

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justinh:

got to keep paypal in check, y'see

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Aval0n:

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Aval0n:

nov 2

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Aval0n:

err 3

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Aval0n:

:P

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Aval0n:

my wife was telling me I needed to lose a few pounds so...

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justinh:

hahaha

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Aval0n:

:P

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justinh:

well little or large it's all appreciated believe me :D

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Aval0n:

:)

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Aval0n:

gotta keep you motivated to keep those nice themes rolling out

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Aval0n:

:)

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Aval0n:

I used to theme for something called nexgen

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Aval0n:

for the xbox

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Aval0n:

grooling

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Aval0n:

then I had kids

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Aval0n:

no time for love Dr. Jones.

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justinh:

no plans for any more just yet... well not for my website anyway

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Aval0n:

:)

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Aval0n:

I know it's older but I quite like blootube-wide

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Aval0n:

it's what I'm using

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justinh:

my FE doesn't have enough ram for that right now

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Aval0n:

the hi-def images look very nice on my TV, and the guide and recording browsing is very nice and functional for my wife

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kdubya:

i use the glass one because no one makes a orange theme

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Aval0n:

if I was a bachelor i'de be using glass-wide :)

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kdubya:

and my theme must be orange

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justinh:

heh

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Aval0n:

haha

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Aval0n:

:)

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Aval0n:

the glass one is the prettiest that's for sure.

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justinh:

that was the whole point behind glass-wide

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kdubya:

well yeah

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justinh:

no more 'but it's too $colour !!!!@

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justinh:

oh no! I did NOT just have that idea

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Aval0n:

haha

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Aval0n:

what idea

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kdubya:

some dude was saying he was about to start implementing the new gui code

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kdubya:

like last week

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justinh:

kdubya: the ball is rolling

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Aval0n:

I want sweet animations in mythtv

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Aval0n:

like appletv

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Aval0n:

that would make me so hot

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Aval0n:

err

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Aval0n:

I mean, that would be awesome :)

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kdubya:

yeah thanks for that

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Aval0n:

hahah

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justinh:

not so much like appletv. they look like they slow things down

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Aval0n:

sorry I'm a bit random sometimes :P

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Aval0n:

perhaps :)

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kdubya:

is it going to allow animated pngs or something

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justinh:

god I hope not

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kdubya:

pff

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kdubya:

why not

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justinh:

somebody has to make each frame

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kdubya:

i already made a tv

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justinh:

and frames take up memory

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kdubya:

then i realized it would be too slow with the flipback

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kdubya:

flipbook*

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kdubya:

crap

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kdubya:

then i decided i am too lazy to make a theme

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Aval0n:

that sounds likeme

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justinh:

kdubya: let me put it in this context: how many theme designers are there? how much work do you think there is in making a theme already? ;)

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kdubya:

i was just going to replace the icons and color on one of your themes

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justinh:

glass-wide took upwards of 60 hours

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kdubya:

that was too much work

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Aval0n:

ouch

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Aval0n:

crazy

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Aval0n:

if I could get some pretty hi-def images in the watermarks for glass-wide i'de be all over it.

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justinh:

and the one gbee has done, metallurgy – he didn't just make the theme – he's put stuff in the ui code to execute his ideas

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kdubya:

yeah

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Aval0n:

is that public justinh?

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justinh:

Aval0n: there's a preview version right now on www.miffteevee.co.uk – only works with the latest trunk

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Aval0n:

excellent

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Aval0n:

thanks

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Aval0n:

screenies there?

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justinh:

aye

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Aval0n:

cool

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kdubya:

why are all the OSD themes only 620 pixels or something wide?

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kdubya:

is that a requirement?

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justinh:

kdubya: they're not anymore. in trunk they can be different base resolutions

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Aval0n:

omgg

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Aval0n:

that looks awesome

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justinh:

in the current release we roll like this: 4:3 themes (square, so-called) are on a 800x600 base res. -wide themes (16:9) are based on 1280x720. OSD themes are 640x480

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kdubya:

i see

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irumbo:

is any one having issues with channel switching using a PVR-150 and the latest version of mythtv from SVN? I was unable to schedule recordings from svn version and only got it to work by tweaking the source code ..

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justinh:

the ultimate plan is to get all themes so they can define their own base resolution. already happened with OSD themes

[18:16:12]

kdubya:

irumbo, , that is the most common card

[18:16:15]

kdubya:

it should work fine

[18:16:34]

justinh:

irumbo: open a ticket. attach your changes (svn diff). though it might already be fixed

[18:16:45]

justinh:

stuff's been known to break in trunk ;)

[18:17:19]

irumbo:

my changes are more of a hack and wouldn't work until I got a better understanding of that code ..

[18:17:40]

justinh:

irumbo: attaching a patch to a ticket will help

[18:17:59]

justinh:

it'll help whoever looks at the ticket understand what happened

[18:18:25]

Aval0n:

yeah in the version I'm running 14388 I think

[18:18:37]

Aval0n:

screen will fade to black even if i'm navigating around in menus

[18:19:06]

Aval0n:

is there any way to mass delete all episodes of a single program?

[18:19:12]

justinh:

Aval0n: with metallurgy? you'll likely beed to update

[18:19:19]

justinh:

Aval0n: add em to a playlist

[18:19:24]

Aval0n:

justinh: nah I'm using blootube-wide

[18:19:28]

Aval0n:

and it's fading to black

[18:19:29]

irumbo:

I'll try that: in mythtv-setup I only assign a video source to S-Video and never scan for channel as it doesn't make sense .. what I discovered is that the logic to swith channel for S-Video is broken and never switches my channel .. is that any help?

[18:19:32]

justinh:

then delete the playlist items.

[18:19:35]

justinh:

Aval0n: serious?

[18:19:42]

Aval0n:

yes

[18:19:46]

justinh:

oh shite

[18:19:50]

Aval0n:

that's not a theme problem is it?

[18:19:52]

Aval0n:

it's the SVN ver

[18:19:53]

kdubya:

irumbo, you do not need to scan with that card

[18:19:57]

irumbo:

I can switch in liveTv but can't schedule recordings because of this ..

[18:20:01]

justinh:

Aval0n: sounds like something got broken

[18:20:55]

justinh:

Aval0n: you running with blootube-wide from trunk or my site? not that the menu stuff is any different

[18:21:04]

Aval0n:

wouldn't I have to manually select each one to add to playlist?

[18:21:14]

Aval0n:

I may as well hit delete instead of add to playlist then :)

[18:21:16]

justinh:

Aval0n: you can select a whole group.

[18:21:19]

Aval0n:

oh

[18:21:20]

Aval0n:

sweet

[18:21:27]

Aval0n:

just from manage recordings?

[18:21:30]

Aval0n:

or watch recordings

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justinh:

Aval0n: with the left hand side highlighted, press menu. add group to playlist. then menu again – playlist options > delete

[18:21:53]

irumbo:

correct, no need to scan-- latest version of svn is definitely broken .. I'll post an explanation of what I did to ticket and maybe some one can see problem.. if I figure out problem, I'll post a ptach instead...

[18:21:57]

Aval0n:

excellent

[18:22:00]

Aval0n:

thank you justin

[18:22:02]

justinh:

in either manage/delete or watch recordings, Aval0n

[18:22:07]

Aval0n:

great

[18:22:13]

justinh:

Aval0n: be aware there's no confirmation popup though

[18:22:17]

Aval0n:

that's fine

[18:22:21]

Aval0n:

preferred

[18:22:30]

justinh:

it's not. I plan to put one in if I ever get round to it

[18:22:56]

justinh:

it'll have to follow the 'confirm deletes' setting of course

[18:23:13]

justinh:

Aval0n: so about this fading to black issue

[18:23:20]

justinh:

what exactly happens?

[18:39:10]

lucidblue:

justinh: I just installed knoppmyth last night, it's awesome, but the gui is a little bigger than the screen, is that the thing I adjust in 'appearance' where it has 0's now? and, do I have to hold --> on the remote until I get there!?

[18:40:11]

jedix:

I added themes to /usr/share/mythtv/themes but they don't show up

[18:40:17]

jedix:

how do I make them show up?

[18:41:39]

Aval0n:

justin sorry

[18:41:43]

Aval0n:

stepped away

[18:42:23]

Aval0n:

when I logged in as my other user to set everything up from the beginning, I turned on a fade to black screen saver, then a screen blank after 1 hour

[18:42:39]

Aval0n:

because I have a plasma and fear the dreaded burn-in

[18:42:57]

Aval0n:

20.2 would never fade as long as I was moving around.

[18:43:07]

Aval0n:

and if it did start to fade, I could hit up or some button and it would stop

[18:43:27]

Aval0n:

but ever since I went to trunk and blootube-wide svn it will fade to black in the menus

[18:43:35]

Aval0n:

never during playback of a recording though

[18:43:46]

Aval0n:

just while in menus, but even if you are active moving around in them

[18:44:08]

Aval0n:

I'm sure i'm no communication this as clear as you would probably like. hehe

[18:46:00]

jedix:

I don't understand why my theme isn't showing up in the list :(

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jedix:

is there something I need to generate?

[18:46:36]

Aval0n:

does it have it's own dir in /usr/share/mythtv/themes?

[18:46:42]

jedix:

yes

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Aval0n:

so /usr/share/mythtv/themes/yertheme/

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jedix:

syth-lacquer-wide

[18:47:00]

Aval0n:

then it should show up under appearence settings.

[18:47:01]

jedix:

(not my own theme.. downloaded one)

[18:47:32]

Aval0n:

you aren't confusing and OSD theme for a regular theme are you?

[18:47:43]

Aval0n:

or looking at the OSD theme trying to see yours?

[18:48:05]

justinh:

lucidblue: er.. left & right arrows decrease & increase the values by 1 pixel. but pgup & pgdn go in bigger increments

[18:48:13]

Aval0n:

OSD themes are under playback settings and gui themes are under appearence settings

[18:48:15]

iamlindoro:

you sur your myth share isn't usr/*local*/share/blah/blah? Have you checked?

[18:48:17]

jedix:

no

[18:48:18]

iamlindoro:

er sure

[18:48:24]

justinh:

Aval0n: so probably not a theme thing then :) (phew)

[18:48:33]

Aval0n:

justinh: :)

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Aval0n:

I didn't think it was.

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jedix:

hrm

[18:48:42]

jedix:

there's two of those

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Aval0n:

think it's the version of trunk i'm running

[18:48:46]

Aval0n:

14388 I belive

[18:49:27]

Aval0n:

jedix: you should have seen mythtv's other default themes in the same dir, did you?

[18:49:43]

Aval0n:

and make sure the permission are correct on the files.

[18:49:53]

Aval0n:

permissions*

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jedix:

it was the local thing

[18:50:00]

jedix:

they both exist

[18:50:02]

jedix:

thanks

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Aval0n:

cool, glad it's working then.

[18:50:12]

iamlindoro:

np

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lucidblue:

justinh: so that's the setting I want then?

[18:50:18]

justinh:

if they both exist you've probably used packages before & now you roll your own

[18:50:29]

Aval0n:

:)

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Aval0n:

ok i'm off for now

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justinh:

lucidblue: GUI X & Y size yes.. and the offsets to centre it

[18:50:35]

Aval0n:

ttyl guys

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justinh:

seeya Aval0n

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justinh:

lucidblue: I keep saying I'm gonna change that so you see arrows at the top left & bottom right, then simply move the arrows about..

[18:51:41]

justinh:

just never got around to it yet

[18:52:18]

lucidblue:

justinh: cool, that would be easier, but this'll work, it just might take a little bit.... so I adjust the H and W and then play with the offset until it looks right?

[18:52:46]

justinh:

yeah. and I _know_ it's a proper pain in the ass to do that but hey – not something you're going to be doing much

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justinh:

lucidblue: a good starting point is 5% less than the screen res ;)

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levander:

I just install the Ubuntu mytharchive package, but there's no "Archive Files" option in the "Optical Disks" menu. Is this because I don't have a DVD burner on the machine yet?

[18:54:19]

levander:

Does it detect that somehow?

[18:54:23]

justinh:

nope

[18:54:44]

justinh:

did you restart mythfrontend after installing the package?

[18:55:09]

levander:

justinh: hmmm, don't think so. But, I didn't have to restart mythfrontend for the other plugins I just installed to work.

[18:55:28]

justinh:

levander: it doesn't check for plugins at any other time than when you start it

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levander:

Whatever it was I just changed on "Archive File Settings" did it. Didn't have to restart.

[18:58:01]

justinh:

really? new one on me

[18:58:51]

levander:

justinh: yeah, i just "sudo apt-get mythplugins" (I'm running Ubuntu Gutsy) while mythfrontend was running, and a whole load of plugins installed and were working right away.

[18:59:11]

levander:

only problem was that myth thinks my DVD player is at /dev/dvd for some reason.

[18:59:20]

levander:

But, it's at /dev/scd0.

[18:59:26]

levander:

I guess I could just make a link.

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justinh:

levander: that's the default (i.e. _logical_ ) place

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levander:

I've already found two places it thought it was at /dev/dvd.

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levander:

justinh: Yeah, I figured that. It's just hard-coded in the install, that it guesses that's where everybody's DVD player is at.

[19:00:29]

justinh:

it doesn't. that's just the default

[19:00:50]

justinh:

myth doesn't guess or detect anything. you have to tell it

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levander:

you're arguing semantics now, you know what i mean

[19:01:21]

justinh:

just making it clear :)

[19:01:34]

justinh:

don't want anybody getting the wrong idea

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jedix:

I'm trying to get an icon map imported

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jedix:

but when I follow the instructions on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_icons

[19:14:31]

jedix:

it says the protocol mismatches

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jedix:

so I'm trying ot find a channel-map.pl that owrks with 0.20.2

[19:15:06]

jedix:

is ther eone?

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jedix:

seems mythfilldatabase should do it..

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jedix:

but it doesn't

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iamlindoro:

anything after .20 uses channel_icons.pl

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iamlindoro:

which works last I checked, but it's been a while

[19:19:06]

jedix:

I get Incompatible protocol version (34 != 31) at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/MythTV.pm line 492.

[19:19:09]

jedix:

Use of uninitialized value in string ne at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/MythTV.pm line 209.

[19:19:29]

iamlindoro:

Since you seem to have a packaged and a compiled version installed, it appears the two are conflicting

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jedix:

perhaps that is it

[19:20:26]

iamlindoro:

It definitely is

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jedix:

k, I'm removing packaged now

[19:21:10]

iamlindoro:

don't be too hasty

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iamlindoro:

Do what you need to do, and I'm not saying that's the wrong thing to do, but make sure to prepare when you do something like that

[19:21:33]

iamlindoro:

like back up the db, etc.

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jedix:

hrm

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jedix:

I still get the same thing

[19:25:21]

jedix:

I got the channel_icons.pl from svn though

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iamlindoro:

make sure you run that one explicitly.

[19:25:48]

iamlindoro:

Run it from the directory it's in with perl channel_icons.pl

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jedix:

I am

[19:26:05]

jedix:

Unable to connect to mythbackend, is it running?

[19:26:12]

jedix:

(after the two above messages)

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iamlindoro:

Heh, you have bigger problems

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jedix:

?

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iamlindoro:

I can't sort out your spaghetti, unfortunately... You've got/had two version of myth installed and that's bound to make for some fun.

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jedix:

so what should I do?

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iamlindoro:

You're on your own. I have housework to do. If I were you I'd start by using --purge with apt-get remove on *all* the myth packages, then possibly a make install of the compiled version again.

[19:28:58]

iamlindoro:

But that's only a start

[19:29:01]

iamlindoro:

anyway, good luck

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jedix:

thanks

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jedix:

should I run svn or 20.2?

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iamlindoro:

Up to you... as you appear to be a beginning user, I wouldn't use SVN as it's for people who are prepared to deal with more issues

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CofWY:

hi there, i'm still struggling to get mplayer to use the full screen when playing a dvd on my widescreen tv, currently 1/3 is unused with black border all around. I use vga output with nvidia driver 100.14.11 (tried newest driver earlier but got pink/green). Anyway, my mplayer command is mplayer -fs -vo xv -monitoraspect 16:9 dvd://, does anyone have an idea how to fix this? thanks

[19:32:58]

CofWY:

-zoom doesn't work either btw...this is MythBuntu 7.10

[19:33:14]

kdubya:

you mean there is black on all sides of the movie?

[19:33:20]

kdubya:

or just top and bottom

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CofWY:

all around

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kdubya:

heh

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CofWY:

the video just uses like 2/3 of the screen

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kdubya:

wierd

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kdubya:

you have myth installed, just use that to play your DVDs

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CofWY:

yes actually I am trying to play with myth internal, mplayer or xine command line, I cannot get any of those to give me a decent full screen output

[19:35:23]

kdubya:

they all do the same thing?

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CofWY:

yes

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CofWY:

well all the widescreen

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smr:

have you tried overscan settings in nvidia-settings?

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kdubya:

it has to be something to do with the driver

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kdubya:

mplayer shouldnt change the screen resolution though

[19:38:12]

kdubya:

it should scale the video to the current res

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CofWY:

in the mplayer output I see Movie-Aspect is 1.33:1 – prescaling to correct movie aspect. VO: [xv] 720x480 => 720x540 Planar YV12 [fs] [zoom]. Would that have anything to do with what's going on?

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smr:

do you have black borders on the desktop also? or just when playing video?

[19:39:44]

kdubya:

run nvidia-settings

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kdubya:

and change GPU scaling from centered to stretcv\hed

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kdubya:

stretched*

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kdubya:

if gpu scaling is turned on

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lucidblue:

guys, is there anyway to setup myth so you can "channel surf"? right now you see the osd for the channel and have to hit 'okay' every time

[19:40:32]

kdubya:

if not then that has nothing to do with it

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kdubya:

lucidblue, myth changes channels too slow for 'surfing'

[19:41:18]

lucidblue:

kdubya: so is that a no?

[19:41:31]

kdubya:

there is a check box somewhere that is like, "always use browse mode"

[19:41:38]

kdubya:

that is checked by default

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kdubya:

if you uncheck that you can surf

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kdubya:

i forget where it is though

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jams:

justinh- took about 3 minutes per theme. http://jmeyer.us/e107_plugins/autogallery/aut . . . p?show=theme

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jams:

i already see several spots that i need to fix

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CofWY:

mmm, kdubya: in nvidia settings i'm not seeing GPU scaling

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kdubya:

it should be on the thing that has the name of your monitor, CofWY

[19:43:21]

CofWY:

correct, but all I can change there is Digital Vibrance and Image Sharpening and Acquire EDID

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kdubya:

mine says "DFP-0 – (PANASONIC TV)

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CofWY:

says CRT-0 – (SAMSUNG)

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justinh:

jams: great stuff :)

[19:43:54]

kdubya:

you dont have a thing there that says "GPU Scaling Method"?

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lucidblue:

kdubya: thanks

[19:44:02]

CofWY:

nope.

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lucidblue:

justinh: do you know where to turn off the 'browse mode'?

[19:44:11]

kdubya:

odd

[19:44:16]

kdubya:

you have onboard graphics?

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kdubya:

or a really old card

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justinh:

lucidblue: yes I do

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lucidblue:

my wife is a channel surfer, she misses it

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CofWY:

yes it is an Abit AN-M2HD

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lucidblue:

justinh: hahaha cool

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jams:

once i clean up the script a bit, I will post it for your enjoyment =)

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kdubya:

maybe that cant do GPU scaling

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justinh:

lucidblue: utils/setup > setup > tv > general

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justinh:

there's 'change channels immediately without select'

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lucidblue:

k, thanks

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jams:

i haven't deciced if i want to run through the settings screen or not

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jams:

thats alot of screenshots

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justinh:

sure is jams!

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justinh:

be interesting to do a count though

[19:47:39]

justinh:

last time I went down that road I stopped at 160 or so

[19:47:44]

jams:

i have plans to turn all these screen shots into a map of sorts

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CofWY:

also interesting enough, if I run that mplayer command outside of myth it works at least I get a clean picture, but in myth the same command I get pixelization, screen artefacts and all...

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justinh:

where the hell is browse mode enabled/disabled in the frontend again?

[19:49:00]

iamlindoro:

tv->playback perhaps?

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kdubya:

no one knows because there is no reason to disable it

[19:49:02]

kdubya:

heh

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Pogonip__:

Does anyone have experience with win tv-hvr-1600?

[19:49:31]

iamlindoro:

pogonip_, aside from it's not-workingness?

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Pogonip__:

iamlindoro; Really? That accounts for the sale then.

[19:50:31]

iamlindoro:

Probably doesn't account for the sale, probably works just fine in Windows

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justinh:

lucidblue: browse mode is permanently enabled from utils/setup > setup > tv > playback. ffs why there?

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kdubya:

seems like that is where it should be

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Pogonip__:

Oh, it works for Win but not for Myth?

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kdubya:

Pogonip__, yes

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kdubya:

not for linux

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justinh:

NFL ;)

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lucidblue:

justinh: okay, so that's why it didn't work, so I have to change it there too?

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justinh:

well not til it is

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kdubya:

national football league

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justinh:

(not for linux)

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justinh:

kdubya: it's not the first place I'd look for it. like so many settings sometimes

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Pogonip__:

kdubya; How can it work for Windows, but not for Linux?

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, you can't sell anything that doesn't work at all unless you call it "windows vista."

[19:52:11]

justinh:

Pogonip__: all cards need drivers!

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kdubya:

there is no driver

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lucidblue:

justinh: it didn't work after the last place, so I just restarted to try that, but it sounds like you're saying there's an option there too...

[19:52:32]

justinh:

Pogonip__: no drivers, no worky. simple as that

[19:52:49]

Pogonip__:

justinh; It's just a driver issue then.

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kdubya:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

yes, "just." :)

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kdubya:

'just'

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kdubya:

ass

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Pogonip__:

kdubya; I'm a manager at a corporation full of software engineers. I know a few who write drivers.

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kdubya:

i think there would be one if specs were available

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kdubya:

it has to be reverse engineered

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Pogonip__:

kdubya; Now that could be a problem.

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kdubya:

i dont know that

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kdubya:

i just assumed that was why there is no driver

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lucidblue:

justinh: I just changed it there too, and the playback froze an showd parts of the picture over the menu

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like the 1850 is going to be the sexier card, and those drivers are written already... probably better to just get one of those and run a bleeding edge kernel

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kdubya:

the sexier card is the cheap one

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iamlindoro:

only if you're trying to save money :) All a matter of perspective, I guess

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kdubya:

so it sucks that there is no driver for the 1600 because it is replacing the 150

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iamlindoro:

I'm aware of that. the 1600 driver will come, though

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iamlindoro:

It's already being worked on. I imagine we'll see something someday soon

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CofWY:

hi everyone, ok almost there, with a -monitoraspect 4:3 i'm able to get mplayer to at least stretch across on my wide screen. It is slightly distorted though, but at least it uses the real estate better than if I did monitoraspect 16:9, is this a common issue?

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lucidblue:

justinh: okay, had to un-check it at the first place you told me, now it works fine

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justinh:

CofWY: I set DISPLAYSIZE in xorg.conf to make it think the 720x576 X I run is wide

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Pogonip__:

Scheduled recording doesn't seem to work. The channel doesn't change and the recording doesn

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Pogonip__:

Scheduled recording doesn't seem to work. The channel doesn't change and the recording doesn't start

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iamlindoro:

pogonip, what input are you using?

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iamlindoro:

and are you feeding through a cable box?

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Pogonip__:

ianlindoro; Going from sat to tuner. I can change channels using lirc manually.

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iamlindoro:

So did you set up your channel change script properly?

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Pogonip__:

ianlimdoro; Finally got it to work correctly yes.

[20:06:23]

iamlindoro:

So if you watch live tv, does it change channels properly?

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Pogonip__:

iamlimdoro; Yes.

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Pogonip__:

thanks for the script BTW.

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Hilikus:

hey guys, im having the infamous focus problem when i use mythbrowser. i am using a window manager (fluxbox)

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iamlindoro:

OK, then your problem is probably less that the hannel doesn't change, and more that the recording doesn't start. What does the log say when a recording should begin?

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Hilikus:

how can i fix that?

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jduggan:

Hilikus: have you tried toggling the sloppy focus setting?

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Hilikus:

jduggan no, wheres that

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justinh:

in some config file probably ;)

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Pogonip__:

iamlimdoro; Do you know if it would be in frontend or backend log?

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justinh:

Pogonip__: recordings go in the backend log

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Pogonip__:

Thanks.

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iamlindoro:

yup

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iamlindoro:

sorry, painting house

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Hilikus:

wheres that sloppy focus setting??

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Pogonip__:

iamlimdoro; Tough break.

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iamlindoro:

naw, s'ok... better than sitting around all day

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Pogonip__:

iamlimdoro; I'm OK with painting, but the wife always wants help picking the colors. That's the nightmare.

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iamlindoro:

Heh, well I'm single and the dog doesn't seem to have an opinion :)

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justinh:

Hilikus: apparently the init file in ~/.fluxbox

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Hilikus:

oh, i thought it was something in mythtv

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Hilikus:

thanks

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Pogonip__:

iamlimdoro; Your in the clear, dogs are color blind.

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justinh:

!trout sourceforge spend_your_ad_money_on_bandwidth

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Pogonip__:

Back to the Hauppage Win tv-hvr-1600 driver issue; the more people writing to Hauppage requesting the driver the quicker they will do it.

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iamlindoro:

They're not the ones doing it

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iamlindoro:

The nice folks down at linuxtv are

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justinh:

there are sometimes legal issues to consider too. few companies develop hardware themselves these days & they're beholden to the company who supplies the chips

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Pogonip__:

iamlimdoro; Oh, so a driver is coming?

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justinh:

surprisingly (or maybe not) some companies don't want source code to their drivers in GPL land

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iamlindoro:

pogonip, eventually

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justinh:

they can make more money selling NDA-bound development kits that way

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iamlindoro:

could be days, could be months, could be years

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justinh:

Pogonip__: I head a rumour a few months ago that it was at least 6 months away

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iamlindoro:

I'd personally think it's be months

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justinh:

btw apparently if you bought a 'pvr150' but were supplied a hvr1600 in the box you can ask Hauppauge to swap it for a PVR150

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justinh:

tell them it's for linux

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Pogonip__:

Linux is demanding more and more support. I have PVR500, but it's a couple of years old and there must be better hardware now.

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justinh:

Pogonip__: some of the time companies like Hauppauge have their hands tied

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iamlindoro:

PVR 500 is still one of the better analog cards

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justinh:

licenses are quite literally a license to print money

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justinh:

it doesn't usually matter that example code for linux drivers is supplied in a development kit for a piece of hardware. if it can't go GPL it ain't going in the kernel

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justinh:

.. or something like that

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Sigma27:

some dvb-c epg specialists online that can help me with some troubleshoting ?

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Pogonip__:

justinh; I do work for a major semi conductor company. From my experience, if the customer pushes hard enough any obstacle can be over come.

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justinh:

Sigma27: lemme guess. you imported a channels.conf file

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justinh:

Pogonip__: that's part of the problem – getting the customer to push

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Sigma27:

No I don't

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Sigma27:

justinh: no i don't

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justinh:

Sigma27: 'useonairguide' enabled for the channels you want EIT data on?

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Pogonip__:

justinh; In the 90's we could ignore Linux; not anymore.

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Sigma27:

justinh: yes it is checked, but according to mythtvbackend.log the channel is never checked for epg.

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justinh:

Pogonip__: sorry it still doesn't figure in the numbers yet. it's starting to now, but it's too early to tell if it'll ever even equal the amount of seats OSX has IMHO

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justinh:

sure it's more popular now than it's ever been but that ain't saying all that much :(

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justinh:

Sigma27: that's me out of ideas then.

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Sigma27:

justinh: The channel sends epg data, I checked that with "tv_grab_dvb". but when I watch the mythtvbackend.log, I never got a line like "EITScanner: Now looking for EIT data on multiplex of channel 2284" for the channels I miss EGP

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justinh:

Sigma27: so some channels have EPG data?

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Sigma27:

justinh: what I realised, when checking with tv_grab_dvb ist that there seems to be information for multiple channels. and yes, some channels have EPG data, some have not

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justinh:

sounds like maybe your provider is doing something funky

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justinh:

maybe you need to try a newer version of mythtv – like svn trunk

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Sigma27:

thats possible. but since tv_grab_dvb gets at least some data, I see no reason why mythtv should not.

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justinh:

yeah well mythtv != tv_grab_dvb ;)

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Sigma27:

justinh: I am using branches/release-0-20-fixes Rev 14948, updated today

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justinh:

I know what you mean though

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Sigma27:

I don't blame mythtv ! I just want to get it running... for me and possibly others !

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justinh:

Sigma27: the thing is, sometimes stuff gets fixed in trunk and the changes don't get backported to -fixes. maybe that happened here

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justinh:

maybe ask in #mythtv-de & see if anybody there knows

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Sigma27:

justinh: I will, thanks anyway

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lucidblue:

guys, I've got the haupage 'grey' remote for the 350, anyone know how I can enter a 'text' mode for the browser plugin or whatever else? I've seen it pop up it the setup

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lucidblue:

standard lircrc

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justinh:

dunno if mythbrowser supports the onscreen keyboard

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lucidblue:

justinh: well, I was just wondering for setting up a bookmark for the browser, but I can't seem to bring up an onscreen keyboard

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lucidblue:

the button that seems to be for that is the 'i' button and that just types a "T" probably because it's waiting for text

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justinh:

I don't use mythbrowser. web pages on TV are never fun

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lucidblue:

yah, I don't know that I will really, text isn't too hot

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justinh:

its either unreadable cos the text is nice & big meaning you have to scroll a lot, or else it's unreadable cos the text is too small

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lucidblue:

yah, I doubt I'll use it much, just wondering ... I'd probably need to use the keyboard I think

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justinh:

that's alright for some sites, like Dilbert.com though :)

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Pogonip__:

justinh; Ok, I ran a custom record and got the following frontend.log http://pastebin.ca/797195; the last two lines seem strange.

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Pogonip__:

I wonder if I have a privilege problem somewhere.

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justinh:

Pogonip__: that's a mythfrontend log.. no use for diagnosing problems with the backend

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Pogonip__:

justinh; it didn't give me a backend log.

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justinh:

not even in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log ?

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Pogonip__:

justinh; No, I'm going to restart my system and see if that helps.

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agruman:

anyone here now how to fix underscan with a ati card?

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xris:

agruman: use the binary drivers, and there might be a setting for it in their control panel

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agruman:

xris, i do use the ati proprietary driver, however i cant find any setting except for tv-out. But since im using dvi->hdmi that doesnt work for me. There is a setting "--set-dispattrib" but that one is reset upon reboot.

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xris:

oh, yeah, if you're doing DVi, you're stuck with whatever the TV lets you use.

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xris:

best advice I can give is to play with the modes — tv will respond differently to different resolution/refresh rate pairs

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agruman:

hehe i have

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agruman:

and from what ive read the 4'th setting in horizontal and vertical will change the screen size if increased / decreased but no matter what i change it to my screen size remains thesame :(

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xris:

could just be how the tv is with a dvi connection

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xris:

if you find a "tv" resolution, the tv would probably overscan

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agruman:

the strange thing is that my "black borders" is always thesame size .. ive tried 720p / 1080p / 1080i ...

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agruman:

but i guess i could create a script that runs aticonfig upon every login to my x-session ..

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agruman:

but seems kinda lame though :/

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xris:

nvidia has a commandline mode that auto-loads the info... or you can have it write the settings directly to xorg.conf

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xris:

never messed with the ATI stuff

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agruman:

k

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agruman:

xris, thanks for the info though :) realy appretiate it

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Pogonip__:

justinh; Here's my mythbackend with a record added http://pastebin.ca/797258, I must have a permission problem somewhere.

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ARfdee:

hi

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ARfdee:

it seems my recordings, there is some audio popping

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ARfdee:

but same for livetv

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ARfdee:

?

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xris:

livetv and recordings are the same thing

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xris:

what type of tuner card/signal?

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ARfdee:

pvr 350

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ARfdee:

svideo from STB

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xris:

does it happen on all channels?

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ARfdee:

it seems to, yes

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ARfdee:

it's a pop every few seconds

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ARfdee:

it's not REALLY bad

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xris:

what about if you listen without mythtv?

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xris:

as in just watch normal tv

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ARfdee:

let me see

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xris:

you might also want to look at the "extra audio buffering" setting in the frontend... it helps with some things, too

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ARfdee:

i should enable it, you mean?

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xris:

try with/without

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xris:

it might not help your problem

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xris:

but is worth checking

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ARfdee:

k

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oobe:

does anyone know tv show scrapers for mythvideo i cant find any

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oobe:

i can find one for ragetv but its only for recorded shows

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a1fa:

hello

[22:27:09]

a1fa:

svn is broken

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a1fa:

:(

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xris:

oobe: um, mythvideo doesn't do tv

[22:27:25]

xris:

or what do you mean by scraper?

[22:27:29]

xris:

a1fa: broken how?

[22:27:31]

a1fa:

frontend wont login into backend

[22:27:36]

xris:

works for me

[22:27:37]

a1fa:

on the same box

[22:27:41]

xris:

but you're not the only one who's reported the issue

[22:27:57]

a1fa:

mine says selet default myth backend server

[22:28:20]

a1fa:

anyway to tell mythfrontend to always connect to localhost/

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oobe:

i have downloaded tv eps tones of them

[22:29:43]

oobe:

i want to add metadata

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oobe:

like imdb.pl does

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xris:

oobe: downloading TV shows is illegal. don't ask/talk about it here

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xris:

but fyi, imdb has some tv show info

[22:30:49]

a1fa:

xris

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a1fa:

anyway for auto login?

[22:31:03]

GreyFoxx:

a1fa: in svn you can run mythfrontend with -d to skip the autodiscovery stuff

[22:31:13]

oobe:

thats like the third thing you have said to me that isnt helpfull at all

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xris:

a1fa: it's supposed to do that once you log in once successfully

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xris:

oobe: asking how to help you work with illegally-downloaded stuff isn't a good way to ingratiate with the people here.

[22:32:32]

kdubya:

so SVN is broken for other people?

[22:32:36]

kdubya:

i thought it was just me

[22:32:55]

xris:

oobe: if you record shows with mythtv, then export them to other formats to put into mythvideo (which I do), then you have the info from mythtv itself for naming the files, and creating the helpful xml meta-data files.

[22:32:56]

a1fa:

GreyFoxx

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GreyFoxx:

works fine for me using svn as of 3 or 4 days ago

[22:33:01]

xris:

works fine for me, too.

[22:33:03]

a1fa:

todays svn is broken

[22:33:07]

kdubya:

liars

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jedix:

okay

[22:33:36]

jedix:

this is messed up

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a1fa:

-d helps

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xris:

my remote frontend doesn't do the autodiscovery because it's on the other side of a firewall (my mythbox is in my network DMZ due to where it lives in my house), but I just hit cancel and it falls back to using mysql.txt

[22:33:43]

xris:

or -d

[22:33:57]

a1fa:

sweet

[22:34:17]

** a1fa wonders if mythweather has been fixed **

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jedix:

I keep getting all these lines when I try to watch anything with the internal player

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** GreyFoxx should investigate some multicast router software. We want one for work **

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jedix:

actually

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jedix:

it's happening with mplayer too

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jedix:

wtf

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kdubya:

are they green and pink?

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jedix:

yes

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kdubya:

those are fun

[22:35:04]

jedix:

?

[22:35:06]

kdubya:

heh

[22:35:12]

jedix:

and orange

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jedix:

what do I do?

[22:35:18]

kdubya:

i just restart x or compile a different version if that doesnt work

[22:35:24]

kdubya:

with mplayer you can use a different vo

[22:35:30]

kdubya:

and it should work

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jedix:

it happens a lot

[22:35:38]

kdubya:

yeah

[22:35:40]

kdubya:

me too

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jedix:

?

[22:35:51]

kdubya:

try mplayer -vo gl

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jedix:

there's gotta be a better fix..

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xris:

jedix: if it's what I see, it's a bug in the nvidia driver

[22:36:17]

a1fa:

mythweather is still broken

[22:36:27]

kdubya:

mythweather is still pointless

[22:36:35]

a1fa:

kdubya : how so?

[22:36:40]

kdubya:

if it wasnt people would keep it unbroken

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kdubya:

www.weather.com

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a1fa:

i use it

[22:37:06]

a1fa:

i must not be people

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a1fa:

i wonder if mythphone has been fixed

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iamlindoro:

just to add reference, I have last night's SVN and it seems ok. So if something is borked it should be in the last 6 revs

[22:38:00]

a1fa:

iamlindoro : todays revision

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a1fa:

14955.

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a1fa:

-d fixes the issue

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iamlindoro:

ah

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stiev3:

I'm trying to plan out my HD tuner card purchase(s). I'm not planning on using OTA. Just the signal that comes out of my cox cable HD reciever. That would mean I'm looking for a tuner capable of handling QAM signals correct?

[22:38:50]

iamlindoro:

did you file a bug report?

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bsdfox_:

jedix: that is a bug with the new nvidia drivers

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iamlindoro:

stiev3, you won't connect any HD card to your receiver

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iamlindoro:

HD QAM is straight out the wall

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bsdfox_:

downgrade or wait for new ones

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bsdfox_:

I think .14 .19 and .23 are all effected

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xris:

stiev3: QAM is bypassing the cable box... and may not work depending on how much encryption your cable provider uses.

[22:39:43]

iamlindoro:

yeah, .11 works

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xris:

do you have firewire ports on the box?

[22:39:58]

jedix:

bsdfox_: yeah, what nvidia driver doesnt have this bug?

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jedix:

ah

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jedix:

okay

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jedix:

thanks

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jedix:

what about .169.04

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jedix:

whatever that is

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stiev3:

Hmmm how does one normally handle that scenario where their provider encrypts to an extent that it requires the provided set-top box? Just go for an antenna and OTA?

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jedix:

ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1 . . . .04-pkg1.run

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iamlindoro:

Yes, or try QAM but you will likely only get local channels

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** jedix tries that nvidia driver **

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iamlindoro:

other stuff like Discovery HD, etc you will not get

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kdubya:

stiev3, the cable company hates you

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iamlindoro:

There are exceptions to every rule, of course, but that's what most people are stuck with.

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xris:

stiev3: or firewire

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xris:

or you don't do HD, and just connect to the svideo port on the cable box

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iamlindoro:

jedix, are you running 32 or 64 bit?

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jedix:

32

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iamlindoro:

you want driver 100.14.11

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jedix:

169.04 was what --update got

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jedix:

seems to be working

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iamlindoro:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.11.html

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iamlindoro:

Well ok, you chart your own course

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jedix:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

good luck

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jedix:

I'll grab that driver

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jedix:

if I hit the glitch again, I'll get that

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jedix:

thanks a bunch

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a1fa:

hehe

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a1fa:

mythphone only displays who is calling for 5s

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a1fa:

and its very hard to read

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stiev3:

I naively went out and purchased my own HD receiver thinking it was that simple a few years back... that failed, had to get an antenna, so I wonder if I can specify a fire wire enabled set-top from them.

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iamlindoro:

If you're in the US, they're technically obliged to provide you a firewire box

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iamlindoro:

They're just not technically obliged to give you a dan thing VIA firewire ;)

[22:51:44]

iamlindoro:

er damn

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stiev3:

haha oh great.

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iamlindoro:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/02/01/does-you . . . rewire-port/

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xris:

iamlindoro: they're required to provide 480p of broadcast channels over firewire

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iamlindoro:

right, forgot that

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iamlindoro:

my bad

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xris:

and since hardware to do the downsize is expensive, you usually get the raw stream

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a1fa:

anyway to make mythphone osd stay longer on screen?

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a1fa:

... guess not

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stiev3:

so, in my effort to make one newegg stop to cover my tuner cards... I'm going with a couple SD cards, and an OTA HD card. I'm either screwed regarding firewire or it'll work, but I have no reason for a QAM card, as I'm dealing with encryption.

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xris:

yay daniel! http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14956

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a1fa:

who is daniel

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a1fa:

xris : i didnt find anyway to extend phone osd

[23:02:16]

xris:

a1fa: read who made the commit

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iamlindoro:

stiev3, a QAM card might be fine... you can likely get all of your local stuff (just as you would OTA) straight out the wall

[23:02:40]

iamlindoro:

And not have to worry about getting an antenna, either

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iamlindoro:

In HD... just won't get the "extended" HD stuff like Discovery, ESPN, etc.

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a1fa:

does close captioning work?

[23:03:30]

iamlindoro:

Or just get a decent card which supports both like the HD 5000 or the HD Homerun

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iamlindoro:

alfa, do you mean via QAM HD? Yes, works fine.

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xris:

stiev3: you might also want to look into firewire.. could save you some money on a tuner card if you can get everything you want out of the firewire port, too

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xris:

and you never know what other channels you might get over firewire that you can't get via QAM (in my case, I get everything I pay for, even SD)

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iamlindoro:

And if you're painfully lucky like GrayFoxx, you might get everything :) But probably not

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kdubya:

how common is that?

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iamlindoro:

er GreyFoxx

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kdubya:

i only get locals over firewire

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iamlindoro:

Extraordinarily uncommon

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xris:

kdubya: uncommon...

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kdubya:

thought so

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xris:

GreyFoxx is in eastern canada... and I'm in seattle. I've heard of other providers, too, but don't remember where.

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kdubya:

didnt know canada had firewire output

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iamlindoro:

Hmm... should start a managed mythbackend facility where the price of admission includes a cable sub :)

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a1fa:

lol

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a1fa:

no body would be able to afford it

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iamlindoro:

I'd happily pay a 10–20% premium on top of my current costs to trun myth to get everything unencrypted over firewire

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a1fa:

you would need at least symetric 2mbps

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iamlindoro:

And I'd have no problem with a nice, slow rsync so long as it eventually got here

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a1fa:

thats a desparate man talking

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iamlindoro:

a1fa, it just took me about 15 seconds to find the spot in the source to change notification time...

[23:13:27]

iamlindoro:

you should be up to the task :)

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a1fa:

what notifcation time?

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iamlindoro:

mythphone

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iamlindoro:

and yes, it appears to be hard-coded to 5

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a1fa:

phoneui.h

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a1fa:

?

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iamlindoro:

so just change that integer, recompile, ???, profit!

[23:14:49]

iamlindoro:

Nope

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iamlindoro:

Keep looking, you'll figure it out

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iamlindoro:

Look for DisplayNotification(QString s, int Seconds)

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cipher_nemo:

I need to change the saved IP of mysql server as it is defined for the Backend Setup (the setup bombs because it has the wrong IP). Which file is this using? Thanks!

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a1fa:

iamlindoro : thats not a solution anyway

[23:20:02]

iamlindoro:

Oh no? Appears to work fine for me

[23:20:03]

mzb:

dynamic playlist generation added to wiki as req (MythVideo)

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a1fa:

no

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cipher_nemo:

(or, how do I grep through text files to find the wrong IP listed to change it?)

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a1fa:

it will get removed on next svn update

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iamlindoro:

Just 'cause it's hard doesn't mean it's not a solution

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iamlindoro:

alfa, no it won't

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iamlindoro:

it'll be merged

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iamlindoro:

I have plenty of patched files and I svn up several times a week without losing my changes

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iamlindoro:

cipher_nemo, you're a bit unclear, but I presume you're talking about the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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iamlindoro:

Any other IP settings are stored in the database

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cipher_nemo:

iamlindoro: sorry about that, I'll check there

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cipher_nemo:

iamlindoro: is that /usr/share/mythtv ? And to be more specific, when I run MythTV Backend Setup, it's trying to use an IP for the MySQL server from an old install (that failed). I just want to change it back to local host (was 192.168.1.101).

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iamlindoro:

no, it's .mythtv/mysql.txt in the home directory of the user you're trying to run setup as

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EnderTheThird:

anyone else have trouble with nvidia just showing "colored snow" instead of video when trying to view a channel or video file?

[23:24:39]

iamlindoro:

ender, downgrade your driver to 100.14.11, it's an nvidia bug

[23:24:46]

iamlindoro:

nvidia driver bug, that is

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EnderTheThird:

i figured, no way around it yet eh?

[23:24:55]

iamlindoro:

nope

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iamlindoro:

just to roll back drivers

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EnderTheThird:

bastards, ha

[23:25:28]

EnderTheThird:

anyway to do that through synaptic (7.10) or gotta do it old-fashioned with CLI and the drive from their site?

[23:25:39]

iamlindoro:

gotta do it from their site, cli

[23:25:46]

iamlindoro:

hold on, I pasted the link a while aog, let me find it

[23:25:48]

iamlindoro:

32 or 64 bit

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EnderTheThird:

64

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iamlindoro:

www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_100.14.11.html

[23:26:20]

EnderTheThird:

Stupid me upgraded my master BE/FE to Mythbuntu 7.10. Though the setup sure was a freaking dream.

[23:26:49]

EnderTheThird:

Thanks.

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a1fa:

iamlindoro : btw

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a1fa:

iamlindoro : btw thats not it

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EnderTheThird:

Seems to be downloading fine?

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iamlindoro:

He's talking about something else

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cipher_nemo:

iamlindoro: Thanks! I was able to change it now. :-)

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EnderTheThird:

Ahhh, got ya.

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iamlindoro:

no prob

[23:27:57]

jbird_:

hello

[23:28:16]

EnderTheThird:

Hurray for LVM. Went from 280 --> 380 GB by combining 2 HDDs.

[23:28:44]

jbird_:

has anyone ever had their remote just stop working?

[23:29:02]

jbird_:

it works with irw but not the myth front end

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EnderTheThird:

Oh, one more thing. Anyone know of a way to have Mythbuntu wait a bit before starting the backend so network tuners (HDHR) can be initialized first?

[23:29:20]

iamlindoro:

and a1fa, I am 90% certain that's exactly the function used to display the called ID... what makes you believe it's not? Where do you believe it is?

[23:29:22]

EnderTheThird:

jbird_: you do need to restart mythfrontend to make it work sometimes.

[23:29:42]

iamlindoro:

Ender, you could call frontend from a script and start it with sleep 10 or something

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EnderTheThird:

you could also check your symbolic link from .lircrc to .mythtv/lircrc (i think those are the correct filenames)

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a1fa:

its for status bar

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a1fa:

in mythtvfrontend

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: thanks. Might need to play around with it some because I don't know the precise syntax for the scripting nor where to put the files. Cause I think while I do that I'll have it tell the HDHR to send IR commands to that box and start LIRC with it set to look on that port

[23:31:21]

EnderTheThird:

all bash commands though

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iamlindoro:

Well, This ought to do it:

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** cipher_nemo is enjoying Compiz while running a mythfilldatabase **

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iamlindoro:

#!/bin/sh

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iamlindoro:

sleep 15

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iamlindoro:

mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

Would wait 15, then start the frontend

[23:32:53]

iamlindoro:

just make that a file, chmod it 777, and put it as a startup program in your sessions on gdm

[23:33:01]

jbird_:

#msg EnderTheThird nope, i'm going to try and reboot again

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EnderTheThird:

no gdm per se: mythbuntu (xfce)

[23:33:35]

EnderTheThird:

i'll just need to fart around and try to find where to store it

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iamlindoro:

ah, well I don't know that wm but there's probably a .xfcerc or something in your home that would run programs at startup

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EnderTheThird:

yeah. I'll find the little guy in there somewhere. thanks

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iamlindoro:

jbird_, if your remote works with irw then by definition your issue is with your ~/.lircrc or ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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iamlindoro:

check permissions, check that they're not corrupt, make sure syntax is correct, and restart lirc as necessary

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EnderTheThird:

I think he rebooted. we can tell him to do "nano ~/.mythtv/lircrc" when he gets back to make sure his symbolic link is working

[23:37:05]

EnderTheThird:

or just redo it, whatever

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iamlindoro:

Didn't see him log out so I presumed he was still here

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EnderTheThird:

He's very sneaky.

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jbird_:

i'm still here

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EnderTheThird:

See, I told you he's sneaky!

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jbird_:

just lost the mouse and keyboard to synergy for a bit

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EnderTheThird:

it happens

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EnderTheThird:

jbird_: do you have a ~/.mythtv/lircrc file?

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mzb:

iamlindoro: how is that script going to delay the startup of the backend?

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iamlindoro:

ah, misread, thought he was trying to delay frontend startup

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EnderTheThird:

I knew what he meant. All the same, heh. can mythbackend be run as regular user or does it need sudo?

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iamlindoro:

depends on your setup. I can run backend as any of my users

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EnderTheThird:

i think default Mythbuntu launches it as sudo so priv's on directories don't matter when saving/recording

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mzb:

if you check your init script, it probably changes to the specified user there (unless your init is too primitive)

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EnderTheThird:

mzb, location of that?

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mzb:

specified user is usually mythtv

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mzb:

/etc/init.d/

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EnderTheThird:

Looking at it now

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a1fa:

/dev/hda9 70G 11G 56G 16% /home

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EnderTheThird:

I could probably just add sleep 15 in that init script, don't you think?

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a1fa:

yes

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a1fa:

you can

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cipher_nemo_:

sorry, lost connection for a second.

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cipher_nemo_:

I'm up and running on my MythTV install except one last glitch. My mythbackend.log reports that access is denied for the mythtv@localhost user. My SQL server's username is root. Any ideas on what sort of permission problem or inavlid login issue my backend is having?

[23:55:57]

adante:

sounds like it is trying to login as the mythtv user – either configure mythtv to use the root username (probably not recommended) or add the permissions for the mythtv user to the mysql database (if you haven't already)

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cipher_nemo_:

that does sound like the issue. Do you mind helping me add the sql permissions for the mythtv user?

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cipher_nemo_:

I am logged into MySQL on localhost

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cipher_nemo_:

I also have a mysql group, but my ubuntu user account isn't added there. root isn't either. I'm not sure if that matters?

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EnderTheThird:

Any idea what the default pw is for the mythtv user that it creates during install?

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EnderTheThird:

I've tried the MySQL pw but no luck

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jbird_:

I thought its random

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jbird_:

not the actual word random but randomly generated

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cipher_nemo_:

EnderTheThird: shouldn't it be created in a text file somewhere?

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jduggan:

check /etc/mythtv

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jduggan:

there's a txt file

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