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| [00:00:53] | ali1234: | so can you run myth-frontend? |
| [00:03:45] | mchou: | anyone know of a reliable wireless stereo headset product on the market? like for gaming, integrated mic/headset |
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| [00:04:53] | mchou: | my cables keep on getting run over and frayed |
| [00:05:46] | b0nn: | well thats effing embarresing |
| [00:05:56] | b0nn: | /home/user was out of space |
| [00:06:04] | mchou: | haha!! |
| [00:06:10] | ali1234: | hmm yeah that will do it :) |
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| [00:06:47] | b0nn: | damn thing, should have thrown an error message |
| [00:07:07] | Jolkster: | I've been running the same MythTV database for a couple years now.. and it seems to be getting bloated with obsolete entries.. and it's causing my system to slow down.. anybody have any advise on cleaning it up? |
| [00:07:09] | mchou: | b0nn: I'm sure it did |
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| [00:08:34] | mchou: | if you had check free disk space service on, it woulda told ya at boot |
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| [00:31:09] | ali1234: | if i "disable interactive tv" (dvb) are the mheg packets still saved as part of the recording? |
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| [00:46:57] | hashbang: | ali1234: yup |
| [00:52:00] | gbee: | Alpha, Preview, Completely unfinished release for those that were interested — missing many watermarks and only includes support for one plugin (mythmusic) – http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html#Download |
| [00:52:58] | gbee: | if you can wait a week, then I hope to have the watermarks finished and the rest of the plugins done |
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| [00:54:49] | janneg: | ali1234: you have to change the recording profile if you want to omit the mheg packets |
| [01:04:03] | iamlindoro: | gbee, looks great, will play with it tonight |
| [01:07:57] | ali1234: | that was going to be my next question. last time i messed with recording profiles, nothing ever recorded again |
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| [01:09:08] | Lightning: | you remember how you fixed it right? :P |
| [01:10:05] | ali1234: | i reinstalled the whole machine |
| [01:10:30] | ali1234: | it was a trial run anyway |
| [01:10:51] | Lightning: | oh |
| [01:11:40] | ali1234: | i broke plenty of other stuff too, in the name of finding out what not to do after installing it properly |
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| [01:12:15] | Lightning: | that's ok, i did rm -r * in /etc once :) |
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| [01:24:45] | psofa: | wtf |
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| [02:06:53] | stiev3: | what's the fastest booting method for a MiniMyth frontend? |
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| [02:08:40] | stiev3: | well, I guess I should say, is booting from a flash drive generally a good idea considering this frontend will do nothing but run MiniMyth? |
| [02:09:31] | godzirra: | Is this a decent card for tv out? http://www.pcdirect.com/product.asp?Sku=VI%2DNVP6200TC32DVT |
| [02:09:35] | stiev3: | Or should I look to network booting? |
| [02:09:35] | godzirra: | It was the cheapest one I could find. |
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| [02:22:49] | AngryElf: | I bet there's no good way to setup a new HD tuner w/o a monitor attached to my backened box, is there? |
| [02:29:03] | GreyFoxx: | vnc ? export the X display to another machine? |
| [02:31:08] | cesman: | X is a beautiful thing! |
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| [02:45:48] | BULLE: | add nx aswell to the mix |
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| [02:47:34] | jams: | yeah only music-ui.xml is left |
| [02:48:02] | jams: | won't be quick, but at least it's the last one for midnight-wide |
| [02:49:53] | BULLE: | \o/ |
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| [03:06:03] | sorear: | What is the status of http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . .html#139758 ? I can't find any recent information on Google. |
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| [03:13:49] | Jolkster: | According to phpmyadmin, my mythconverg database takes up about 335MB.. is this normal? |
| [03:16:41] | jedix: | shrug |
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| [03:19:03] | jedix: | can I check that w/out phmyadmin? |
| [03:19:19] | clever_: | yeah |
| [03:19:29] | clever_: | sudo du -h /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/ |
| [03:19:34] | jedix: | root@romanenko:/var/lib/mysql/mythconverg# du -h |
| [03:19:34] | jedix: | 548M . |
| [03:19:44] | clever_: | ls -lShr |
| [03:19:45] | jedix: | so.. you're getting off light :) |
| [03:20:14] | clever_: | youll see the files sorted by size |
| [03:20:31] | clever_: | 87M /media/mainlv/mythconverg/ |
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| [03:22:14] | clever_: | my program table is the largest |
| [03:22:21] | jedix: | same |
| [03:22:27] | clever_: | (listing of all programs on all channels) |
| [03:22:28] | jedix: | 151M 2007-11–23 00:15 program.MYD |
| [03:22:34] | clever_: | -rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql 14M 2007-11–23 20:05 program.MYD |
| [03:22:42] | clever_: | the index is 13mb |
| [03:22:52] | jedix: | 133M 2007-11–23 00:15 program.MYI |
| [03:22:54] | jedix: | ? |
| [03:22:58] | clever_: | yeah that |
| [03:23:03] | jedix: | I have a much larger one |
| [03:23:09] | clever_: | mysql keeps an index in MYI files |
| [03:23:24] | jedix: | i say Jolkster is getting off easy |
| [03:23:33] | clever_: | yeah |
| [03:23:53] | clever_: | to aid in resched time and reduce usage im deleting channels i dont ever watch(or pay for) |
| [03:24:21] | Jolkster: | good.. i don't feel too bad then =) |
| [03:24:29] | clever_: | i just cut them out of SD then later when i notice the nodata in mythweb i delete the channel itself from myth |
| [03:24:35] | clever_: | its down to about 130 channels now |
| [03:24:56] | clever_: | 117 atm |
| [03:25:12] | jedix: | cool |
| [03:25:58] | clever_: | and we recently changed the cable plan so half the channels myth is trying to use arent valid anymore |
| [03:26:35] | stiev3: | http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/wishlist/ . . . mber=6454466 would this be an adequate system for a frontend. Going to try for 1080i playback and maybe minimyth + boot from flash device. |
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| [03:28:42] | iamlindoro: | More than adequate |
| [03:28:50] | clever_: | dont need the tvguide channel:P |
| [03:29:10] | clever_: | no point in ever recording it and i get the guide from the web so i dont need it at all |
| [03:35:47] | stiev3: | I have a harmony 670 remote, as far as remotes for frontend control, are receivers sold separately, or is it better to buy one of the mediacenter remote/receiver combos? |
| [03:35:56] | stiev3: | it seems newegg is hitting me with a lot of combos |
| [03:36:23] | iamlindoro: | You can make a receiver or buy one with your capture card... or get the streamzap one, that works too |
| [03:36:40] | iamlindoro: | Most popular/probably the easiest to set up in the receiver from the PVR-150 MCE package |
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| [03:41:24] | CofWY: | hi everyone, i've been trying to get my first mythtv pc going (using mythbuntu) but while trying to fix a ratio issue and playing with various options for xine, mplayer, etc. I messed up mythtv big time. Basically I can play a dvd or any title through the command line but each time I start tv, or a dvd from within myth I get pink or green screen with horizontal lines but i can hear the audio...any idea how to correct this? I alre |
| [03:41:54] | iamlindoro: | It's bad nvidia drivers, not your fault |
| [03:41:57] | iamlindoro: | it's nvidia's |
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| [03:42:09] | iamlindoro: | can correct it temporarily by rebooting/restarting X |
| [03:42:14] | CofWY: | it used to work though when the box was 'fresh' |
| [03:42:26] | iamlindoro: | Can correct it permanently by rolling back to old nvidia drivers |
| [03:42:37] | iamlindoro: | Or up to the beta ones |
| [03:43:08] | iamlindoro: | google "mythtv ubuntu pink green" to learn more |
| [03:43:23] | iamlindoro: | there's a fairly good thread going on the ubuntu community about it, nVidia boned it bigtime on those drivers |
| [03:43:24] | CofWY: | thank you, i'll try that |
| [03:44:23] | CofWY: | also what i was trying to fix is an aspect ration issue, basically any dvd I have will not fill up the screen, occupies perhaps 2/3 of the screen with black band all around, tried various configuration for xine or mplayer to fix that but nothing solid or automatic, any suggestions on that as well? |
| [03:44:56] | iamlindoro: | It's a 16:9 screen: |
| [03:44:57] | iamlindoro: | ? |
| [03:45:09] | CofWY: | yes it is |
| [03:45:24] | iamlindoro: | in mplayer, add -monitoraspect 16:9 to your options |
| [03:45:35] | MarineTim: | iamlindoro: are these the 100.14.19 drivers you're referring to? |
| [03:45:41] | iamlindoro: | Yes |
| [03:45:54] | iamlindoro: | going back to 100.14.11 fixes the problem for almost everyone |
| [03:46:01] | CofWY: | will try that |
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| [03:46:35] | CofWY: | i use envy for installing the driver, is it possible to tell it to install a particular version? |
| [03:47:11] | iamlindoro: | CofWY, couldn't tell you, just get the .run from nVidia's site for the old one or the beta one... fixed an all three of my systems with the .11, can't speak for the beta |
| [03:47:51] | CofWY: | thank you |
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| [03:52:16] | xanderp: | Anyone here know of any docs for setting up the avermedia volar usb hdtv stick? |
| [03:53:41] | iamlindoro: | xanderp, are you sure it's supported? What's the tuner chip? |
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| [03:54:32] | xanderp: | i've found a mythtv wiki page that said it works, but no details on how to get there. |
| [03:55:19] | iamlindoro: | Erm, looks like it's some closed source driver, not an official one... hmm, YMMV: http://www.avermedia.com/cgi-bin/support_driv . . . ;proname=150 |
| [03:55:19] | xanderp: | (searching for it again) |
| [03:55:43] | iamlindoro: | rather, and official one in that it is by AverMedia, but not by V4l :), so unknown on how/whether it will work |
| [03:55:50] | seth5: | Hi all. Working on a master-slave backend setup where each box stores locally. How do you mount the recordings dirs via nfs so that each box can watch recordings from the other? |
| [03:56:30] | iamlindoro: | You don't have to do NFS for them to watch each other's... Myth streams them automagically |
| [03:56:36] | seth5: | Do you have to subdir /storage/recordings with an nfs mount on each box? Does that work? |
| [03:56:38] | xanderp: | thanks for that link, I wasn't finding anything. will keep searching |
| [03:56:48] | iamlindoro: | xanderp, their driver is at that link |
| [03:57:13] | iamlindoro: | per them, it's "for Open SUSE." Whatever that means, unknown on whether you can hack it to work with anything else |
| [03:57:33] | xanderp: | at least it's a start. |
| [03:58:15] | iamlindoro: | seth5, my backends both record locally... everything is automatically streamed with no NFS mounts... would only do that if I needed them to run jobs on one another's recordings |
| [03:58:18] | xanderp: | fry's had them for $59.99 with a $50.00 mail in rebate, so it's worth trying to get to work :) |
| [04:00:24] | seth5: | iamlindoro – Thanks. I wondered if that was how it was supposed to work. Master says Tuner 2 is unavailable. And I'm not seeing any hugely revealing log messages. |
| [04:03:02] | iamlindoro: | seth5, probably a mysql.txt setup issue... make sure the user who is running mythbackend on the *slave* has mysql.txt setup to connect to the master, not itself |
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| [04:03:12] | iamlindoro: | That was my issue... multiple times ;) |
| [04:04:15] | seth5: | I thought I set that right, but I'll go double check. I modified mysql.txt for root and mythtv on the slave. |
| [04:05:33] | seth5: | OMG, you were so right. Darned if that file isn't set to localhost instead of the master! |
| [04:05:59] | iamlindoro: | heh, that's a tricky one... wiki in bad need of a slave backend setup page |
| [04:10:49] | seth5: | I agree, that would be a good add. |
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| [04:13:04] | xanderp: | crap, all of the download links for that dvb driver are dead... |
| [04:13:38] | xanderp: | time to write the manufacturer... :) |
| [04:13:56] | iamlindoro: | Tells you something about how seriously they take linux support when their "beta" driver hasn't changes for over a year |
| [04:14:10] | iamlindoro: | browsed ftp.avermedia.com yet? Might be worth a look |
| [04:14:11] | godzirra: | Is this a decent card for tv out? http://www.pcdirect.com/product.asp?Sku=VI%2DNVP6200TC32DVT ... It was the cheapest one I can find. |
| [04:14:43] | xanderp: | I'd rather they just open it and let the community do the work. The device is nice, just lacks SW. |
| [04:15:36] | xanderp: | tried anon to their ftp and it refused connection.. (IIS FTP Site) |
| [04:15:38] | iamlindoro: | Well, any teensy tiny usb HD device isn't necessarily "nice," but cheap is always good too :) |
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| [04:17:08] | xanderp: | I needed USB, my backend is FULL... |
| [04:17:32] | iamlindoro: | Well, like you said, you got a deal... but if you want *nice*, get an HD HomeRun |
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| [04:18:18] | xanderp: | the usb hauppauge was a black friday add as well, but cost more (30 bucks after rebates) |
| [04:18:54] | xanderp: | for 9 bucks, I'm not so unhappy |
| [04:20:16] | iamlindoro: | Meh, looks like support should be in linux-dvb drivers now |
| [04:20:21] | iamlindoro: | xanderp, what distro you on? |
| [04:20:35] | Der_Thomas: | Hey anyone know about transcode errors? I told myth to transocde something from the recordings menu and now when I go to http://localhost:6544/ it tells me that I had transcode eror 247 |
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| [04:21:08] | xanderp: | the backend is only fc6, would like to update it, but don't want to miss any programs |
| [04:21:18] | iamlindoro: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/247229 |
| [04:21:27] | iamlindoro: | der_thomas ^^^ |
| [04:22:03] | iamlindoro: | xanderp... ah well, should be possible to get support, anyway... it doesn't show up in dmesg/lsusb properly? |
| [04:22:48] | xanderp: | Bus 001 Device 005: ID 07ca:a868 AVerMedia Technologies, Inc. |
| [04:23:22] | iamlindoro: | you sure it didn't get automatically set up? ie, no new /dev/dvb devices? |
| [04:24:06] | xanderp: | they're not there. |
| [04:24:42] | xanderp: | I've currently got it hooked to my f8 laptop to 'tinker' on it and try to get it going as it's more handy than the backend |
| [04:24:54] | iamlindoro: | probably need a firmware of some sort, that's been my experience with other avermedia cards |
| [04:25:30] | xanderp: | I think i saw a post on avermedia firmware. will try to locate that again. |
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| [04:25:51] | iamlindoro: | nxt2004 cards, I think |
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| [04:28:44] | xanderp: | crap... every where I go it's dead links |
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| [04:33:44] | iamlindoro: | looks like your firmware is : dvb-usb-dib0700–01.fw |
| [04:34:09] | xanderp: | I found one called dvb-usb-avertv-a800–02.fw as well |
| [04:34:17] | iamlindoro: | Most firmwares can be got via the get_dvb_firmware.pl script |
| [04:34:31] | xanderp: | and dvb-usb-dib0700-03-pre1.fw |
| [04:34:44] | iamlindoro: | No, the source code for the proper driver directly references the firmware I mentioned |
| [04:35:21] | xanderp: | will have to d/l that script |
| [04:35:25] | iamlindoro: | Also, looks like the usb nova-t stick and the volar use the same chipset/drivers so any setup doc for that ought to be about the same |
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| [04:37:45] | iamlindoro: | Here, I think this should work exactly the same for your stick: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_USB2 |
| [04:38:29] | iamlindoro: | Under "New Models" |
| [04:39:03] | iamlindoro: | probably need to modprobe dib0700 too |
| [04:39:28] | iamlindoro: | okay, off to actually *watch* some mythtv |
| [04:40:59] | xanderp: | thanks |
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| [05:10:14] | cesman: | anyone know of a quick way t reset the mythweb template to the default? |
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| [05:24:39] | tcpsyn: | Isn't it an theme? |
| [05:24:41] | tcpsyn: | in mythweb? |
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| [06:11:59] | Kichigai: | Quick n00b-ish question: how do I configure MySQL to allow connections from other devices on the network? |
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| [06:14:17] | jams: | comment skip-networking in my.cnf |
| [06:14:45] | Kichigai: | It doesn't exist |
| [06:15:06] | Kichigai: | skip-external-locking |
| [06:15:06] | Kichigai: | # |
| [06:15:06] | Kichigai: | # Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on |
| [06:15:06] | Kichigai: | # localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure. |
| [06:15:06] | Kichigai: | #bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
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| [06:20:20] | uplinked: | hey, wonder if anyone can answer this- is there *any* way to record non-local HD in 1080p using mythtv + comcast? from what i gather, hdhomerun won't do disovery HD or espnHD, etc. |
| [06:20:47] | Kichigai: | It depends on whether or not those channels are encrypted in your area, and it sounds like they are. |
| [06:21:18] | Kichigai: | Last I checked, 1080p wasn't supported by Comcast's digital cable, though. |
| [06:21:23] | uplinked: | why does it sound like they are? (i haven't even bought any parts yet, i've just been reading for a few days) |
| [06:21:41] | Kichigai: | I think they max out at 1080i |
| [06:21:42] | uplinked: | ahh, nuts. that certainly puts a damper on things |
| [06:22:19] | Kichigai: | Would you know how to allow external devices to have access to a MySQL database? |
| [06:22:23] | Kichigai: | IE: remote front ends |
| [06:22:55] | uplinked: | not specifically |
| [06:23:36] | Kichigai: | Damn |
| [06:24:00] | uplinked: | AFAIK, mysql uses "users" to determine what has access; each "user" has hosts it can connect from (in the form of IPs or hostnames)... odds are good you'd need to find the user the front end is trying to use, and give it's hostname permission in mysql's command line |
| [06:24:22] | uplinked: | but that's the generic answer to "how to connect to mysql from another device". mythtv might have built-in better options |
| [06:24:29] | Kichigai: | Well, what I mean is telling MySQL to allow connections from places other than localhost |
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| [06:25:09] | uplinked: | sec, i'll have an answer in a moment |
| [06:26:56] | uplinked: | yeah, looks like you need to allow it host-by-host (or i'm sure you can wildcard it) |
| [06:27:01] | uplinked: | here's a quick guide |
| [06:27:05] | uplinked: | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-do-i-enable . . . -server.html |
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| [06:28:17] | uplinked: | is that completely useless, or are we getting warmer? :) |
| [06:28:49] | Kichigai: | Getting warmer, but I have to say, I'm quite a n00b with MySQL |
| [06:28:56] | uplinked: | that's a-ok |
| [06:30:58] | uplinked: | do you know the database name you're working with? |
| [06:31:07] | uplinked: | and the username? and the password? |
| [06:31:18] | uplinked: | those should *probably* all be in the mythtv configs somewhere |
| [06:31:59] | uplinked: | (assuming it's a MySQL db made by mythtv, of course) |
| [06:32:28] | Kichigai: | mythconverg |
| [06:33:04] | Kichigai: | It's a fresh installation of Mythbuntu, and I'm familiar with most of the basics, but I was too stubborn to upgrade from .19-fixes until Schedules Direct forced me to upgrade |
| [06:33:16] | uplinked: | ok |
| [06:33:49] | uplinked: | here's the issue: i know mysql pretty well, but i've never installed/configured/used mythtv :) so here's my best guess- |
| [06:35:36] | uplinked: | probably, you're trying to take a backend server with mythtv and give a frontend permission to view/stream from it. in that case, most likely, in your backend's mythtv config, you'll find a database name, a user and a password; you need to grant the user permission to connect from the front end, done by "GRANT ALL ON dbname.* TO user@'ip.of.frontend.box' IDENTIFIED BY 'password' ; " |
| [06:36:45] | Kichigai: | Ahh |
| [06:37:47] | uplinked: | does that make sense with what you see on your end? |
| [06:38:22] | Kichigai: | I think so |
| [06:38:37] | uplinked: | heh, sweet. |
| [06:38:40] | Kichigai: | And where it says 'password' it should be my actual database password |
| [06:39:02] | Kichigai: | correct? |
| [06:39:10] | uplinked: | replace 'dbname', 'user', 'ip.of.frontend.box' and 'password' with the real values |
| [06:39:20] | Kichigai: | I figured. |
| [06:39:26] | uplinked: | so yes :) |
| [06:39:33] | Kichigai: | 0 rows affected |
| [06:39:47] | uplinked: | euhh |
| [06:39:50] | uplinked: | try it? mebe? |
| [06:40:33] | uplinked: | 0 rows affected either means nothing changed, or the change worked, it just didn't update any rows in any tables (i don't know if that "0 rows" includes the users table or not) |
| [06:41:16] | Kichigai: | Ahh |
| [06:41:59] | Kichigai: | Still fails |
| [06:42:10] | Kichigai: | The bind address should be the machine's IP, right? |
| [06:42:40] | uplinked: | remote machine's ip, correct. and this should be performed on the backend. |
| [06:42:45] | Kichigai: | Ahh |
| [06:43:03] | uplinked: | i'm not 100% on this, but i think you can replace that with a % to use as a wildcard |
| [06:43:50] | Kichigai: | Connection failed |
| [06:44:49] | uplinked: | hmm. well, let's be honest, you probably need someone who knows more about mythtv than myself. |
| [06:44:52] | uplinked: | sorry dude |
| [06:45:07] | Kichigai: | Thanks anyway |
| [06:45:30] | iamlindoro: | I presume mythweb is installed with mythbuntu, and therefore apache is running. Just sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin |
| [06:45:42] | uplinked: | good call |
| [06:45:53] | iamlindoro: | then go to http://localhost/phpmyadmin |
| [06:45:59] | iamlindoro: | and edit the privileges manually |
| [06:46:06] | iamlindoro: | er graphically |
| [06:46:21] | iamlindoro: | on the backend, that is |
| [06:46:25] | uplinked: | i have a feeling that there's supposed to be another way to do it, though. does mythtv really not provide a way to add front end clients, except through mysql commands? |
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| [06:46:57] | iamlindoro: | mythtv isn't at issue here. If you want to be able to connect to a mysql database from another hostl then you have to set privileges to allow such a thing |
| [06:47:20] | iamlindoro: | myth doesn't do any editing of mysql privileges at all |
| [06:47:27] | uplinked: | true. *shrugs* just figured there'd be a "allow host xyz" somewhere that'd perform the priveleges update |
| [06:47:34] | uplinked: | ahh, cool, thanks for the info :) |
| [06:50:24] | ksool: | I've just setup mythtv and get audio/video fine on the backend, but on a remote front end, I get only static. Any ideas how to look into this? |
| [06:52:57] | iamlindoro: | Need to be more specific about what you mean by static |
| [06:54:17] | iamlindoro: | Static sound, white noise video, corrupted video, etc |
| [06:54:55] | ksool: | Not loud static. Sorry, I should've said silence but the base white noise gets louder. |
| [06:55:16] | iamlindoro: | Audio static, video ok, or what? |
| [06:55:24] | ksool: | Video's fine. |
| [06:56:15] | iamlindoro: | Then it's likely not an issue of mythtv at all... what happens when you copy the video over to the non-working frontend and try to play it with vlc or another player? |
| [06:56:57] | iamlindoro: | I would look at your ALSA setup on the remote frontend, personally |
| [06:57:42] | iamlindoro: | And if not that, I would look at codecs... |
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| [06:59:11] | ksool: | Trying to copy over the video. I think the remote ALSA config is ok since it's never given any problems before, even with codec'ed material |
| [07:00:04] | iamlindoro: | What about other audio on that frontend? MythMusic work? |
| [07:00:30] | ksool: | Hmm, weird. Same deal when I play it locally, which makes me think that the audio from my card (Happauge PVR-150) isn't going to mythtv, but is just being played through the backends alsa directly. |
| [07:01:09] | iamlindoro: | Not on the pvr-150, no, since it's not a framegrabber. |
| [07:01:25] | ksool: | Sorry, what? |
| [07:01:38] | iamlindoro: | video and audio off the pvr-150 come off the card muxed together |
| [07:01:58] | iamlindoro: | not in two seperate pieces, as they would be with a framegrabber type card |
| [07:02:39] | iamlindoro: | ergo, if you get the audio on the backend, it's there in the file. |
| [07:03:11] | iamlindoro: | your remote frontend has a codec or alsa issue, your myth setup is fine |
| [07:04:41] | ksool: | Let me just double check, I was actually wront that it's not a 150. |
| [07:13:05] | ksool: | Is there anyway to identify the card without opening the case (it was a spare machine I picked up). Lspci gives generic bt878 information. |
| [07:13:40] | iamlindoro: | dmesg |grep ivtv |
| [07:13:49] | iamlindoro: | Probably a framegrabber |
| [07:14:33] | iamlindoro: | If you had to plug your audio into your sound card, it's a framegrabber for sure |
| [07:15:18] | iamlindoro: | BTW, if it's a bt878 it is *not* a PVR-150 |
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| [07:15:57] | ksool: | Yea, I think it might be a Wintv-radio but Hauppauge doesn't give a picture of its ports so I'm still guessing. |
| [07:16:11] | ksool: | dmesg doesn't give much. ivtv: version 0.8.2 (tagged release) loading |
| [07:16:11] | ksool: | ivtv: Linux version: 2.6.18-5–686 SMP mod_unload 686 REGPARM gcc-4.1 |
| [07:16:13] | iamlindoro: | excuse me, for you it's probably dmesg |grep bttv |
| [07:16:35] | iamlindoro: | So yeah, your card sucks... sorry to be the one to say it :) |
| [07:16:44] | ksool: | Ha, can't ask much when you get it free :) |
| [07:17:18] | ksool: | I assume it will still work though, right? |
| [07:17:48] | iamlindoro: | There are instructions in the wiki about how to set up audio sync in framegrabber cards. On your backend, your alsa setup is off. Yes, it will work but will waste lots of CPU time and you will end up with shitty .nuvs instead of nice MPGs |
| [07:18:07] | iamlindoro: | plus you have to leverage the sound card to record audio |
| [07:18:41] | ksool: | Hmm, so will I be able to encode and end up with pretty video at the end of the day, or am I just flat out of luck. |
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| [07:19:46] | iamlindoro: | Well, you will have NUVs which are video files, but not terribly compatible. You'd need to transcode to get something more usable somewhere else |
| [07:19:49] | cmoates: | You will be able to encode, and end up with audio/video, but the quality will not be as nice as if you had a PVR-150 |
| [07:20:05] | cmoates: | Are you going to use it with SD or HD TV? |
| [07:20:10] | ksool: | sd |
| [07:20:22] | cmoates: | You may find the quality is acceptable |
| [07:20:27] | cmoates: | It would not be, if you were playing to an HDTV |
| [07:20:29] | iamlindoro: | I'd spend the ~50ish to get a bare white box PVR-150 and use that, but as mentioned, yes, you *can* technically make this work |
| [07:20:48] | cmoates: | iamlindoro is right though, PVR150 is a lot easier, and a higher quality |
| [07:20:55] | ksool: | Alright, I wasn't hoping for a miracle, just a free dvr :) |
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| [07:21:03] | cmoates: | So it's a matter of how much $50 is worth to you, I suppose |
| [07:21:13] | ksool: | I am quite impressed with mythtv though, might inspire me to get a nicer card sometime in the future. |
| [07:21:14] | iamlindoro: | ksool, check in the wiki, there are instructions there on alsa settings for framegrabbers |
| [07:21:17] | Kichigai: | Trust me, the PVR-150 is a miracle on a PCI card. |
| [07:21:30] | cmoates: | At a minimum, the framegrabber will give you a taste of what Myth can do |
| [07:21:38] | ksool: | Is the PVR-150 the top of the line Hauppauge card? |
| [07:21:39] | cmoates: | And then encourage you to spend the extra cash ;) |
| [07:21:40] | cmoates: | No |
| [07:21:45] | iamlindoro: | I think these settings ought to work: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Synchronizing_Sound |
| [07:21:46] | ksool: | Bottom? |
| [07:21:51] | cmoates: | It's middle of the road |
| [07:22:06] | iamlindoro: | Also make sure you have the sound going in the proper input |
| [07:22:13] | cmoates: | Hauppage makes framegrabber cards, as well as the "HardPVR" cards like the 150 and 500 |
| [07:22:30] | iamlindoro: | cmoates: they don't actually make any more framegrabbers, do they? |
| [07:22:33] | ksool: | Ah, thanks a ton guys :) |
| [07:22:35] | Kichigai: | Pity support for the 350 was dropped. |
| [07:22:41] | cmoates: | I think they do, iamlindoro |
| [07:22:43] | iamlindoro: | 350 is still supported |
| [07:22:46] | Kichigai: | What WAS the difference between the 250 and the 150? |
| [07:22:52] | iamlindoro: | by myth/linuxtv, anyway |
| [07:23:00] | iamlindoro: | maybe not by Haupp. :) |
| [07:23:16] | Kichigai: | I thought Myth dropped support in 0.19? |
| [07:23:18] | cmoates: | 150 is a cost reduced 250 |
| [07:23:22] | Kichigai: | Well, for video out at least |
| [07:23:31] | iamlindoro: | Nope, 350s still work, including tv out, even in SVN |
| [07:23:47] | Kichigai: | Hmm |
| [07:24:10] | Kichigai: | Now if only I could get my XBox to talk to my MySQL database... |
| [07:24:27] | Kichigai: | Makes me wish I never jumped from KnoppMyth to Mythbuntu |
| [07:24:53] | cmoates: | Why did you jump? |
| [07:24:56] | cmoates: | Seems like a lot of that lately |
| [07:25:06] | cmoates: | People leaving KM to MB/MD |
| [07:25:12] | Kichigai: | Because KnoppMyth doesn't have Myth 0.20.2 |
| [07:25:40] | Kichigai: | And MythBuntu does |
| [07:25:53] | Kichigai: | And for those of us in North America, TV listings are important. |
| [07:25:55] | Kichigai: | ;) |
| [07:26:35] | Kichigai: | Anyway, joking aside, I'm kind of regretting the move. As much good press as MythBuntu gets, I find it quite a pain. |
| [07:27:03] | Kichigai: | Every time I tried to start mythtv-setup, it would kill the X-session and reload, bringing MythFrontend with it. |
| [07:27:15] | Kichigai: | I had to start a failsafe xterm session before I could configure that. |
| [07:27:34] | Kichigai: | Now I've got MySQL problems. |
| [07:27:40] | Kichigai: | Well, external MySQL problems. |
| [07:27:46] | Kichigai: | I had to do tinkering before MythWeb worked |
| [07:27:47] | cmoates: | I thought KM supported SD? |
| [07:28:07] | Kichigai: | Oh good lord I hope it does. |
| [07:28:13] | iamlindoro: | Why in the world would there be a Mnoppmyth release on 9-9–07, a week after we went to SD, with no SD support? |
| [07:28:18] | iamlindoro: | er Knoppmyth |
| [07:28:27] | iamlindoro: | sounds like you didn't do your homework, ;) |
| [07:29:33] | Kichigai: | I'm looking at the changelog, and I think Release 5, Final 27 is still running 0.20.1 |
| [07:30:26] | cmoates: | R5F27 supported SD |
| [07:30:31] | cmoates: | That was what the update was for |
| [07:30:32] | iamlindoro: | Says it has schedulesdirect support on their wiki |
| [07:30:45] | Kichigai: | Oh sweet Jesus, I'll never leave you again, KnoppMyth! |
| [07:30:51] | Kichigai: | Just so long as I get my Galactica fix! |
| [07:31:13] | iamlindoro: | Heh, still a ways before galactica comes back, no? |
| [07:31:22] | iamlindoro: | Plus, with the writer's strike, who even knows |
| [07:31:45] | Kichigai: | Nope, Razor is being released this week |
| [07:31:48] | iamlindoro: | I mean, there's razor, but I saw that in a theater and once was enough |
| [07:31:55] | Kichigai: | Wait... theater? |
| [07:31:58] | iamlindoro: | yup. |
| [07:32:02] | Kichigai: | !? |
| [07:32:07] | Kichigai: | Wait... what? |
| [07:32:13] | iamlindoro: | they did theater screenings in ten areas |
| [07:32:18] | Kichigai: | Oh, never mind. |
| [07:32:21] | iamlindoro: | including mine |
| [07:32:33] | Kichigai: | If it was one of those "ten areas" things, then I never had a snowball's chance of seeing it |
| [07:32:53] | Kichigai: | :( |
| [07:33:01] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, it's ok... but not on par with the real show |
| [07:33:25] | iamlindoro: | It's definitely floating around on the internet, too, but I'll say no more |
| [07:33:31] | cmoates: | heh |
| [07:33:54] | Kichigai: | Anyway, I just want to get my system up and running. |
| [07:33:58] | Kichigai: | I let it stagnate for too long |
| [07:34:23] | cesman: | Kichigai: nice to you won't leave us again :) |
| [07:34:51] | cesman: | yes, R5F27 supports SD |
| [07:35:00] | Kichigai: | cesman, Knoppmyth really was the best experience I had with Myth, I just wish I could run it on my XBox ;) |
| [07:35:44] | cmoates: | Kichigai, what kind of MySQL problem are you having atm? |
| [07:35:44] | cesman: | :) |
| [07:36:01] | cesman: | Kichigai: thanks |
| [07:36:10] | Kichigai: | My XBox keeps getting a connection error to the MySQL server |
| [07:36:16] | cmoates: | What kind of error? |
| [07:36:29] | cesman: | we try and make it and good as we can... |
| [07:36:41] | iamlindoro: | His myth mysql user only has privileges for localhost is what I gathered... wasn't around when he was talking about it |
| [07:36:49] | cmoates: | I only left KM because I'm a tinkerer, and KM is really an out of the box solution |
| [07:37:06] | Kichigai: | database connection failed. |
| [07:37:06] | cmoates: | Is it listening on eth0? or just localhost? |
| [07:37:17] | Kichigai: | I honestly haven't a clue |
| [07:37:25] | Kichigai: | I never really messed much with MySQL |
| [07:37:34] | cmoates: | ok |
| [07:37:39] | cesman: | Kichigai: wouldn't have that issue w/ KnoppMyth ;) |
| [07:37:42] | cmoates: | Do you have another box that's not the one mysql is running on? |
| [07:37:55] | Kichigai: | Yeah, my laptop. |
| [07:38:02] | cmoates: | Ok, windows? |
| [07:38:07] | Kichigai: | OS X |
| [07:38:09] | cmoates: | ok |
| [07:38:11] | cmoates: | open a terminal |
| [07:38:18] | Kichigai: | I do have MySQL in there, so I'll have those tools. |
| [07:38:20] | cmoates: | telnet ip.of.your.mythbox 3306 |
| [07:38:22] | Kichigai: | I've got several open already. |
| [07:38:29] | cmoates: | And see if it refuses you |
| [07:38:53] | Kichigai: | Tenshi:~ kichigai$ telnet 192.168.1.6 3306 |
| [07:38:53] | Kichigai: | Trying 192.168.1.6... |
| [07:38:53] | Kichigai: | Connected to 192.168.1.6. |
| [07:38:53] | Kichigai: | Escape character is '^]'. |
| [07:38:53] | Kichigai: | H |
| [07:38:54] | Kichigai: | jfAOJfBV,k8rW=hw?p8cm3-log |
| [07:38:56] | Kichigai: | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| [07:39:00] | Kichigai: | Tenshi:~ kichigai$ |
| [07:39:04] | Kichigai: | I'm assuming that's good. |
| [07:39:15] | cmoates: | That is good |
| [07:39:19] | cmoates: | well, it's a start, anyhow |
| [07:39:27] | cmoates: | It means your mysql is listening on your network |
| [07:39:28] | Kichigai: | I figured as much |
| [07:39:31] | cmoates: | So that's problem #1 out of the way |
| [07:39:35] | cmoates: | now, you have the mysql tools, so |
| [07:39:46] | cmoates: | mysql -u mythtv -p -h ip.of.myth.box |
| [07:40:03] | cmoates: | substitute -u mythtv for -u whateveryourdatabaseuseris |
| [07:40:42] | Kichigai: | Oh... damn. |
| [07:40:49] | Kichigai: | Apparently I just have the server. |
| [07:41:03] | cmoates: | well |
| [07:41:11] | Kichigai: | On my laptop, I mean. |
| [07:41:13] | cmoates: | we can work with that |
| [07:41:33] | cmoates: | Go to the myth box, log into mysql as root |
| [07:41:34] | Kichigai: | I'll just put on my *NIX->OS X translating goggles then. |
| [07:41:59] | Kichigai: | I'm in |
| [07:42:10] | cmoates: | use mysql; |
| [07:42:17] | cmoates: | what's the name of your mythuser? |
| [07:42:17] | cesman: | Kichigai: if there was a way to run Linux on the Xbox, w/o mod chips, jumping thru hoops, etc. we'd support it |
| [07:42:19] | Kichigai: | database changed |
| [07:42:25] | cmoates: | mythtv? |
| [07:42:38] | Kichigai: | cmoates, huh? |
| [07:42:44] | Kichigai: | Oh, yes. |
| [07:42:46] | Kichigai: | mythtv |
| [07:42:55] | cmoates: | select * from user where User="mythtv" |
| [07:43:00] | Kichigai: | cesman, these days, there aren't many hoops. |
| [07:43:33] | Kichigai: | cmoates, done. MySQL is awaiting further commands |
| [07:43:42] | cmoates: | Did it display anything? |
| [07:44:07] | Kichigai: | cmoates, "3 rows" it says, and I saw a lot of text |
| [07:44:12] | cmoates: | ok |
| [07:44:19] | cmoates: | let's do that differently |
| [07:44:24] | Kichigai: | Alright |
| [07:44:35] | cmoates: | select Host,User from user where User="mythtv" |
| [07:44:39] | cmoates: | That should be a little more readable |
| [07:45:02] | Kichigai: | ERROR 1054 (42S22): Unknown column 'Users' in 'field list' |
| [07:45:07] | cmoates: | User |
| [07:45:08] | cmoates: | not Users |
| [07:45:12] | Kichigai: | oops |
| [07:45:12] | cmoates: | you typo'd it ;) |
| [07:45:24] | Kichigai: | Much better |
| [07:45:30] | cmoates: | So, three entries? |
| [07:45:38] | cmoates: | What are the three values for the Host column? |
| [07:45:38] | Kichigai: | I've got %, my XBox, and localhost |
| [07:45:42] | cmoates: | ok |
| [07:45:54] | cmoates: | So the one for the xbox, it's an IP? |
| [07:45:59] | Kichigai: | Yes. |
| [07:46:14] | cmoates: | well |
| [07:46:43] | cmoates: | Either A) you haven't reloaded the priveleges (or restarted mysql) since you added the xbox user or B) you mucked up the password |
| [07:47:13] | Kichigai: | I've restarted quite a bit, and the password was autogenerated by MythBuntu (but I believe I have correctly extracted it |
| [07:47:15] | Kichigai: | ) |
| [07:47:33] | cmoates: | well |
| [07:47:36] | cmoates: | We can reset the password |
| [07:47:40] | cmoates: | To be certain |
| [07:47:56] | Kichigai: | Won't that break the backend if I don't make the changes there too? |
| [07:48:10] | cmoates: | UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD("newpass") WHERE User="mythtv" and Host="xboxipaddress"; |
| [07:48:11] | cmoates: | no |
| [07:48:14] | ksool: | imlindoro, got it working, thanks! |
| [07:48:16] | cmoates: | It will not |
| [07:48:28] | iamlindoro: | ksool, good stuff, what'd it end up being? |
| [07:48:42] | iamlindoro: | alsa settings? |
| [07:49:26] | ksool: | Yea, just a switch of audio drivers. |
| [07:49:31] | iamlindoro: | Ah, good |
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| [07:50:20] | ksool: | thanks again. night all |
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| [07:50:46] | cmoates: | Kichigai, after you run that query you'll need to do a FLUSH PRIVILEGES; |
| [07:50:53] | cmoates: | And then you can try to connect from the xbox again |
| [07:52:07] | Kichigai: | Still failing |
| [07:52:23] | cmoates: | hm |
| [07:52:42] | cmoates: | I the mythtv for the xbox older? |
| [07:52:59] | cmoates: | And can you open a shell on the xbox to try and use the mysql command by hand? |
| [07:53:04] | Kichigai: | It's a script, actually. |
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| [07:53:59] | Kichigai: | And the script it quite up to date, supporting Myth Protocol 30 |
| [07:54:22] | cmoates: | Well, I'm not as concerned with the myth protocol as the mysql protocol |
| [07:54:53] | Kichigai: | One second, I'll check the documentation |
| [07:55:04] | cmoates: | If you can get a shell, you can just run mysql -V |
| [07:55:47] | cmoates: | Someone else is welcome to correct me if I am mistaken in any of this, but |
| [07:56:01] | cmoates: | Myth frontends need two connections; one to the database and one to the myth backend |
| [07:56:08] | Kichigai: | Not likely, it's XBMC, which is running on top of the XBox Kernel (read: stripped down Win2K) and all of this is done in Python. |
| [07:56:11] | cmoates: | These are separate, but work together |
| [07:56:33] | Kichigai: | I understand the basic architecture, I just never learned much about the MySQL end of business. |
| [07:56:40] | cmoates: | Is there any way to turn on more debugging of XBMC? |
| [07:57:03] | Kichigai: | Well, I'm about to check documentation of the script. |
| [07:57:18] | cmoates: | anyhow, there was a protocol update in mysql awhile ago, on the newest versions of mysql, the old protocol is no longer supported |
| [07:57:37] | cmoates: | So if they are using an older MySQL, you might be out of luck, unless you downgrade your MySQL server |
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| [07:59:09] | Kichigai: | Bah, screw this, I'll just put Xebian back on the thing and compile up some code tomorrow. |
| [07:59:15] | cmoates: | heh ;) |
| [07:59:30] | cmoates: | Sorry I couldn't be of more help |
| [07:59:40] | Kichigai: | It was slow, and it wasn't as pretty as XBMC, but at least I had a debugging environment. |
| [07:59:57] | Kichigai: | Thanks for the help though, it's been educational. |
| [07:59:59] | Kichigai: | night! |
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| [08:05:58] | cmoates: | cesman, I heard rumor awhile back of KM moving to an ubuntu base; is that dead? |
| [08:06:09] | cesman: | LOL! |
| [08:06:15] | cmoates: | Or was it never true? |
| [08:06:37] | cesman: | it was considered perhaps about two years ago |
| [08:06:52] | cmoates: | But never past consideration, I take it ;) |
| [08:06:56] | cesman: | but I was always bothered by this or that w/ the Ubuntu installation |
| [08:07:30] | cesman: | we would have used our own installer, but I never got the warm and fuzzy from Ubuntu |
| [08:07:40] | cmoates: | That's too bad for me, your packages for myth are fantastic, but I muck around too much with the base OS |
| [08:08:06] | cesman: | and why switch to Ubuntu when we already use Debian? |
| [08:08:35] | cmoates: | Because you really (seem) to use knoppix |
| [08:08:38] | cesman: | about 2 years ago, I actually had a hybrid of Kanotix and Ubuntu |
| [08:08:43] | cmoates: | which isn't designed for in-place upgrades |
| [08:08:46] | cmoates: | or so it appears |
| [08:09:01] | cesman: | you can |
| [08:09:09] | cmoates: | how so? |
| [08:09:26] | cmoates: | The KM upgrade on the CD appears to nuke/pave and restore from backup |
| [08:09:31] | cesman: | knoppix:apt-get update;apt-get upgrade... |
| [08:09:33] | cmoates: | Unless I missed something |
| [08:09:45] | cesman: | that is does, but that is related to Knoppix |
| [08:09:57] | cesman: | that is now we choose to do it and it works very well! |
| [08:10:14] | cmoates: | It does, so long as you use it as an appliance (which is your target platform) |
| [08:10:20] | cesman: | R6 will be upgraded via the network (once you install the first R6 that is) |
| [08:10:25] | cmoates: | Oh? |
| [08:10:31] | cmoates: | That's very exciting |
| [08:10:43] | cmoates: | So it will be a more debian-style upgrade |
| [08:10:45] | cmoates: | ? |
| [08:11:05] | cesman: | while we are a ways away, we think R6 has a lot of exciting things! ;) |
| [08:11:11] | cmoates: | Very cool |
| [08:11:19] | cesman: | how said anything about debian?! ;) |
| [08:11:24] | cmoates: | heh |
| [08:11:40] | cmoates: | Is R6's base platform changing? Or are you not ready to announce that |
| [08:11:58] | cesman: | I've not announced anything |
| [08:12:11] | cmoates: | fair enough |
| [08:12:56] | cesman: | R6 will be derived from a Linux distro, however we hope to have things that makes it stand on it's own |
| [08:13:04] | cmoates: | Wel, I'll look forward to an announcement and potential migration back to KM |
| [08:13:39] | cesman: | what are you using now? |
| [08:13:45] | cmoates: | That's a good question :) |
| [08:13:57] | cmoates: | I'm trying gentoo at the moment, but I may move back to debian |
| [08:14:03] | cmoates: | I have some middleware that I wrote |
| [08:14:13] | cmoates: | It makes my myth remote "smart" similar to a harmony remote |
| [08:14:20] | cmoates: | controls my other devices, knows the state of things, etc |
| [08:14:24] | cmoates: | and it sits between myth and lirc |
| [08:14:38] | cmoates: | I developed it using KM, but each time a KM release comes out I have to make it work all over again |
| [08:15:10] | cesman: | you should have stated so earlier, I'm always happy to work with folks |
| [08:15:21] | cmoates: | Well, my middleware is not yet production ready ;) |
| [08:15:44] | cesman: | well, I'd be happy to consider it for a future release |
| [08:15:47] | cmoates: | I have a telnet daemon to control my TV via RS232 too |
| [08:15:53] | cmoates: | I'm gonna tie that in next |
| [08:15:55] | cesman: | nice |
| [08:16:00] | cmoates: | one less IR blaster |
| [08:16:05] | cesman: | :) |
| [08:16:41] | cmoates: | Human is a friend of mine, so when I think it's closer to being ready for other folks, I'll hit him up to try it out too |
| [08:17:01] | cmoates: | He is a huge proponent of KM :) |
| [08:17:11] | cmoates: | (and the reason I used it in the first place) |
| [08:18:35] | cesman: | :) |
| [08:18:41] | cesman: | he is a good guy! |
| [08:18:44] | cmoates: | He is |
| [08:18:56] | cesman: | we had dinner when I went to visit my family in Maryland |
| [08:19:06] | cmoates: | And it's nice to have someone with myth-friendly hardware for sale in my hometown |
| [08:19:23] | cesman: | do you attend teh same LUG? |
| [08:19:30] | cmoates: | Though I think he's missing out on his exclusion of SD devices |
| [08:19:35] | cmoates: | yeah, that's where we initially met |
| [08:19:40] | cmoates: | I do talks there from time to time |
| [08:20:38] | cesman: | well, wehn you'd like t get folks to test your middleware, I'd be happy to roll it into a release for my testers to give you feedback |
| [08:20:50] | cmoates: | That sounds good |
| [08:20:58] | cmoates: | I need to rewrite it |
| [08:21:12] | cmoates: | It's PHP now, proof of concept, and works fine, but... has PHP as a dependency, which is not fine. |
| [08:21:29] | cmoates: | I want to rewrite it in Python and use some threads to make things run a little more smoothly |
| [08:21:51] | cmoates: | The only limitation I've run across is that it's difficult to cope with using mplayer instead of internal |
| [08:22:02] | cmoates: | Since the telnet interface to myth goes to lunch when it spawns an external application |
| [08:23:19] | cesman: | I think in time, for most people Internal will be capable replacement for MPlayer |
| [08:23:50] | cmoates: | I'll admit though, it's pretty cool to press "DVD" on my myth remote, have it switch the TV input, turn on the stereo, dim the lights, and open the dvd tray :) |
| [08:24:12] | cesman: | that is cool! |
| [08:24:34] | cesman: | that is what your middleware does? |
| [08:24:37] | cmoates: | yeah |
| [08:24:42] | cesman: | nice! |
| [08:24:58] | cesman: | I can imagine the smile on your face the first time you did it |
| [08:24:59] | cmoates: | It has "modes' and "status changes" |
| [08:25:03] | cmoates: | yeah, it was really slick |
| [08:25:24] | cmoates: | Plus, when it's in, say, "wii" mode, it will not transmit things like the number keys or cursor keys |
| [08:25:25] | cesman: | I had a silly grin on my face the first time I tried the live CD |
| [08:25:38] | cmoates: | So people don't accidentally push the wrong thing in myth by playing with the remote |
| [08:25:56] | cesman: | had the same smile the next several times I did it |
| [08:25:56] | cmoates: | I bet |
| [08:25:58] | cesman: | :) |
| [08:26:04] | cmoates: | It's nice when something works the first time |
| [08:26:11] | cmoates: | Especially after it doesn't work the 12 times before that ;) |
| [08:26:24] | cesman: | :) |
| [08:26:59] | cmoates: | Alright, enough of that, it's 3:30am, time for bed |
| [08:27:02] | cmoates: | Take care |
| [08:27:07] | cesman: | rest well |
| [08:27:09] | cesman: | you too |
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| [08:38:43] | rgravener: | how much did your myth setups cost |
| [08:38:58] | cesman: | how are you asking? |
| [08:40:02] | cesman: | s/how/who/ |
| [08:40:23] | rgravener: | cesman: sorry, just a general question |
| [08:40:33] | rgravener: | english language has no plural for that word. |
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| [09:28:05] | Omahn: | Hello. I've got a Myth box with 3 x USB tuners and I'm finding that after each poweroff of the box, the tuners come in under different locations in lsub and so Myth is losing connectivity to them. Has anyone else seen this before? |
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| [09:42:40] | siXy: | Omahn: are they identical tuners? |
| [09:43:35] | siXy: | if so you will definately need to use udev rules to force them to be in the same place at the same time. if not there may be an easier workaround |
| [09:43:41] | Omahn: | Two of them are identical, the third is the same manufactuer but different revision. |
| [09:43:54] | siXy: | ok, so udev rules it is |
| [09:44:06] | Omahn: | Cool. Could you point me in the right direction to some docs? |
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| [09:44:29] | Omahn: | I've been looking through the usb hotplug site but it all seems a bit cryptic. Didn't think of udev... |
| [09:44:37] | siXy: | http://www.redhat.com/magazine/002dec04/features/udev/ |
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| [09:45:07] | siXy: | udev is unnececarily over-complex, however that is a reasonably good starting point |
| [09:45:25] | hasse: | hello, anyone can guide me why my tv signal through my mythtv isn't as sharp as if i connect the cable directly to the tv |
| [09:45:26] | Omahn: | siXy: Perfect, thanks. I'll give it a bash. (Might be back later!) :-) |
| [09:45:35] | siXy: | good luck :) |
| [09:45:38] | Omahn: | Cheers. |
| [09:46:07] | siXy: | hasse: how is the mythbox connected to the tv? |
| [09:48:47] | hasse: | via a normal cable |
| [09:49:21] | siXy: | what sort of cable? |
| [09:49:28] | hasse: | siXy: when i watch movies and hddvd on it, it's very sharp |
| [09:50:35] | hasse: | whats it called , rgb |
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| [09:50:59] | hasse: | you think it will help with a dvi -> hdmi cable ... |
| [09:52:11] | siXy: | you mean a vga cable? like a computer monitor? |
| [09:52:42] | hasse: | sixy: yes .. sorry |
| [09:53:15] | siXy: | how do you get your tv? |
| [09:53:28] | hasse: | sixy: what do you mean ? |
| [09:55:04] | siXy: | do you have digital cable? analogue cable? sattelite? analog OTA? digital OTA? |
| [09:55:16] | hasse: | ohhh h.. analogue cable |
| [09:56:26] | mchou: | who is this gordon ramsey dude? |
| [09:56:45] | mchou: | Do the brits know how to cook? :) |
| [09:56:46] | rgravener: | a chef |
| [09:56:56] | rgravener: | mchou: look at their teeth |
| [09:57:14] | rgravener: | i guess that was mean |
| [09:57:20] | siXy: | hasse: so presuamble you then use an analogue capture card, similar to the hauppage prv-150? |
| [09:57:28] | mchou: | rgravener: I dont get it. What does their teeth look like? |
| [09:57:38] | hasse: | it's a auppage 500 |
| [09:57:39] | siXy: | mchou: Gordon Ramsey's restraunt in london is nice |
| [09:57:43] | hasse: | dual card |
| [09:57:49] | siXy: | ok, same thing |
| [09:57:58] | mchou: | siXy: are you a brit? |
| [09:58:04] | siXy: | yep |
| [09:58:10] | hasse: | sixy, thats the problem or ? |
| [09:58:33] | rgravener: | what are the specs on your systems |
| [09:58:34] | mchou: | siXy: I dunno wanna insult ya but brits in general arent known for sophisticated palate :) |
| [09:58:48] | siXy: | well, you are going from your cable box, through a (low quality) cable to another capture card, through another cable to your tv |
| [09:59:04] | hasse: | rgravener: talking to me ? |
| [09:59:10] | siXy: | mchou: this is true. certainly of northeners :) |
| [09:59:14] | rgravener: | hasse: yea |
| [09:59:21] | mchou: | siXy: I don't care how many michelin stars this dude has |
| [09:59:34] | hasse: | amd 64 bit , 4800+ |
| [09:59:38] | hasse: | dual core |
| [09:59:41] | hasse: | 3 gb ram, |
| [09:59:53] | siXy: | so you are re-processing your signal a bunch if times, then displaying it on a high definiton screen – it is going to look a bit more fuzzy. |
| [10:00:01] | siXy: | mchou: french? |
| [10:00:04] | mchou: | I've been to 2* michelin places and I havent been impressed |
| [10:00:16] | mchou: | siXy: nope |
| [10:00:22] | mchou: | chinese :) |
| [10:00:26] | siXy: | me also, but i've been to his restraunt and thought it was nice |
| [10:00:32] | hasse: | sixy, but when digital cable gets to me, it would be sharp |
| [10:00:36] | rgravener: | do you like the amd better than intel? |
| [10:00:39] | mchou: | where all cuisine originate :) |
| [10:00:52] | mchou: | marco polo and crap :) |
| [10:01:00] | mchou: | thievery! |
| [10:01:03] | siXy: | mchou: the french would disagree. as would the italiens :) |
| [10:01:18] | mchou: | italians?? |
| [10:01:19] | hasse: | rgravener: nah, not really, but was a old computer in my basement |
| [10:01:27] | mchou: | Marco polo was italian |
| [10:01:31] | siXy: | hasse: you said it was analogue a moment ago :) |
| [10:01:40] | mchou: | and he stol from the chinese |
| [10:01:46] | mchou: | stole* |
| [10:01:56] | rgravener: | old comp, haha my newest desktop is 2.4 ghz single core |
| [10:02:22] | hasse: | in my seutp, would it make any diffenrence, if i use the normal vga cable, or the dvi->hdmi cable ? |
| [10:02:37] | hasse: | not only on tv, but movies as well |
| [10:02:54] | siXy: | hasse: if you reprocess and pass through several capture cards, your signal is going to end up less sharp than it was. thats pretty much unaviodable |
| [10:03:05] | mchou: | anyway, maybe this Ramsey guy might be good for a laugh...... |
| [10:03:20] | siXy: | he likes to swear a lot |
| [10:03:24] | mchou: | I just saw his scrambled eggs on youtube...... |
| [10:03:38] | mchou: | it was ridiculous |
| [10:03:48] | mchou: | runniest eggs I've ever seen |
| [10:04:08] | mchou: | I think I'd rather eat dog poop than his eggs :) |
| [10:05:27] | mchou: | it's almost too bad I didnt know about Hell's Kitchen earlier |
| [10:05:49] | mchou: | as I am not fond of "reality shows" |
| [10:07:53] | siXy: | I don't really watch that (or any other 'reality' tv programme) but have seen it once or twice and it was good |
| [10:08:13] | siXy: | just for him yeling his head off at a load of useless teenagers, really |
| [10:08:23] | mchou: | siXy: serious, does he do anything else on that show beside curse up a storm? |
| [10:08:33] | mchou: | seriously* |
| [10:08:34] | siXy: | mchou: no idea :) |
| [10:08:53] | mchou: | siXy: you said you saw it 1/2x?? |
| [10:09:06] | mchou: | I've only seen youtube snippets |
| [10:09:15] | siXy: | yeah. there was cooking and yelling. thats all i remember |
| [10:09:20] | mchou: | lol |
| [10:09:52] | siXy: | i remember liking it – although not enough to record the series hence why i don't know more |
| [10:10:24] | mchou: | siXy: that's OK. I just wanted to know the Brit perspective on the guy |
| [10:10:59] | hasse: | sixy , i mean, will i see any difference on hvdvd and normal dvd through a dvi->hdmi than a vga |
| [10:11:17] | siXy: | ah we have a bunch of celebrity chefs – most people don't care too much. his is one of the best restraunts for a celeb chef however |
| [10:11:44] | siXy: | hasse: you won't be able to play a hd-dvd in linux, most likely |
| [10:11:59] | mchou: | siXy: seriously, you cant go to *any* country where there isnt a Chinese restaurant. I don't think the same can be said of italian or french. |
| [10:12:18] | xris: | mchou: pizza is pretty universal |
| [10:12:20] | mchou: | Chinese restaurant has universal appeal :) |
| [10:12:20] | siXy: | if you have a decent quality digital tv then you should notice a bit of improvement in going from vga -> dvi |
| [10:12:30] | mchou: | xris: no way |
| [10:12:30] | hasse: | i have a few originally that i have ripped, to raw file, and playing through xine |
| [10:12:44] | mchou: | xris: ever heard of lactose intolerance? |
| [10:12:52] | xris: | what does that have to do with pizza? |
| [10:12:53] | siXy: | although conversely the cheaper digital sets often handle low quality SD better over vga |
| [10:12:57] | xris: | arabs don't put cheese on their pizza |
| [10:13:01] | mchou: | like 85% of chinese population :) |
| [10:13:05] | xris: | and that's traditional (i.e. not italian) |
| [10:13:21] | annulus_: | cheese doesn't contain much lactose |
| [10:13:45] | annulus_: | and all it does is give you gas, which a bad pizza will do anyway :-) |
| [10:13:47] | mchou: | annulus_: that's explains why I always get the runs after eating sum then :) |
| [10:13:49] | xris: | besides, not many *real* chinese restaurants around, either.... only a handful in the seattle area and we have a ton of chinese immigrants here. |
| [10:13:54] | mchou: | some* |
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| [10:14:11] | xris: | much like how most "mexican" restaurants are really tex-mex. |
| [10:14:14] | mchou: | xris: bastardization is universal |
| [10:14:43] | annulus_: | mchou, symptoms for lactose intolerance is generally gas and bloating. have you checked yourself for celiac disease? |
| [10:14:44] | xris: | but I'm also a bit of a food snob. silly me for wanting me food to appear as labeled. |
| [10:15:16] | mchou: | annulus_: in extreme cases of intolerance runs are common |
| [10:15:17] | siXy: | personally i prefer french cooking to chinese :) but no doubt mchou will not agree with me |
| [10:15:28] | annulus_: | I think the universailty of chinese food has more to do with that chinese immigrants have spread to most corners of the globe |
| [10:15:58] | annulus_: | where as italian immigrants tend to be concentrated in a few select places. |
| [10:16:19] | mchou: | annulus_: maybe. but the brits cololonized most of the world, now Indian curries ownz them :) |
| [10:16:37] | siXy: | apart from anything else, chinesses food tends to be over-heavy on MSG |
| [10:16:45] | mchou: | army travels on it's stomach :) |
| [10:16:52] | annulus_: | that's due to indian immigration to britain of course |
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| [10:16:57] | siXy: | (MSG = mono sodium glutimate) |
| [10:17:00] | mchou: | siXy: those arent real chinese restaurants :) |
| [10:17:39] | xris: | mchou: have you ever tasted real british food? |
| [10:17:41] | mchou: | real restaurants dont use MSG (unless it's naturally ocurring, in soy sause, etc.) |
| [10:17:49] | xris: | there's a reason why british food is now "curry" |
| [10:17:59] | siXy: | mchou: there are places in korea (not china i know – but never been there) where they have MSG shakers on the table in the same way we have salt and pepper |
| [10:17:59] | mchou: | british food is an oxymoron |
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| [10:18:04] | xris: | mchou: and MSG has been used in chinese cooking for centuries..... |
| [10:18:10] | mchou: | lol |
| [10:18:12] | xris: | mchou: you've never eaten sticky toffee pudding, then. |
| [10:18:44] | mchou: | msg was developed in Japan around 1940. look it up |
| [10:18:57] | annulus_: | haggis |
| [10:18:59] | hasse: | what is the resolution of a normal analogue tv signal ? |
| [10:18:59] | annulus_: | mmmm |
| [10:19:04] | mchou: | the chinese never had MSG technology prior to that |
| [10:19:16] | mchou: | unless you count soy sauce |
| [10:19:19] | siXy: | "Although traditional Asian cuisine uses flavour-enhancing ingredients which contain high concentrations of MSG, it was not isolated until 1907" |
| [10:19:44] | annulus_: | parmesean cheese has high levels of MSG as well. |
| [10:19:46] | siXy: | taken from the global dis-information webpage |
| [10:19:46] | mchou: | siXy: thank you :) |
| [10:20:07] | mchou: | wikipedia is wrong as usual :) |
| [10:20:09] | siXy: | mchou: i think that agrees with both you and xris |
| [10:20:17] | annulus_: | and many other traditional flavor enhanchers |
| [10:20:17] | ** xris agrees ** | |
| [10:20:35] | mchou: | spices are flavour enhancers |
| [10:20:42] | xris: | msg isn't a spice, though |
| [10:20:59] | xris: | and they're not flavor enhancers... they're flavors of their own |
| [10:21:06] | xris: | msg and salt are flavor enhancers. |
| [10:21:07] | mchou: | dude, I didnt say MSG is spice. I'm saying that sentence doesnt say much |
| [10:21:13] | annulus_: | indeed. |
| [10:23:06] | mchou: | so saying the chinese used MSG for centuries is patently false |
| [10:23:52] | mchou: | they can say chinese used soy sauce for centuries.....which contains naturally occuring MSG..... |
| [10:24:01] | mchou: | like parmesian, etc. |
| [10:24:18] | mchou: | as an example |
| [10:24:48] | mchou: | that sentence is obviously written by someone espousing their own POV |
| [10:25:25] | annulus_: | so people who cook in salt water don't use salt as a flavoring then? |
| [10:25:32] | mchou: | annulus_: heh |
| [10:25:33] | siXy: | mchou: well its wikipedia... |
| [10:25:35] | mchou: | :) |
| [10:25:55] | xris: | mchou: I was misinformed... no need to get antagonistic about it. |
| [10:26:12] | mchou: | xris: who's being antagonistic? |
| [10:26:25] | mchou: | I'm just pointing out WP shortcomings |
| [10:26:41] | xris: | mchou: maybe it's just how you come across (and why you're always on the verge of getting kicked out of this channel by various people who aren't here at the moment) |
| [10:26:44] | mchou: | it's not the first tim WP has been "wrong" |
| [10:26:58] | mchou: | time* |
| [10:27:10] | xris: | hasse: what country do you live in? |
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| [10:27:16] | mchou: | xris: you mean doofus like kormoc? |
| [10:27:20] | xris: | hasse: also, analog is analog, so it doesn't have a resolution |
| [10:27:38] | xris: | mchou: fyi, he's one of my best friends, so I wouldn't make comments like that in front of me.... |
| [10:28:11] | mchou: | xris: just because he is your friend does not exclude him from being a dork |
| [10:28:28] | mchou: | I mean both can be true at the same time w/o contradiction |
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| [10:28:41] | xris: | mchou: true.. except that he's not. |
| [10:28:55] | xris: | at least, not in any context that you know him in. |
| [10:29:05] | mchou: | xris: we'll just have to agree to disagree then |
| [10:31:05] | xris: | hasse: I'll give you more info when you pipe up again. |
| [10:35:19] | mchou: | annulus_: well, you got to come up with a better explanation why british food never caught on in the colonies :) |
| [10:35:36] | xris: | mchou: beer seemed to |
| [10:36:14] | annulus_: | mchou, for one thing the british who immigrated to the colonies had better career oppurtunities than starting a resturant. |
| [10:36:49] | mchou: | annulus_: maybe. but notice they also bought servants like cooks, etc. :) |
| [10:37:44] | xris: | mchou: actually, a lot of cooking was done by locals.... most british emmigrants were military/political... |
| [10:37:51] | mchou: | and they the brits discovered local food was better and hired indigenous cooks :) |
| [10:37:54] | xris: | or british east india company reps |
| [10:38:33] | ** portahex is probably best qualified to talk on the matter ** | |
| [10:38:48] | mchou: | portahex: by all means, go ahead :) |
| [10:39:01] | xris: | portahex: oh? I'm certainly not... I know about the food itself, but not the history of it. |
| [10:39:08] | mchou: | we're interested in theories |
| [10:39:34] | mchou: | why the brits conquerored the world but not anyone's stomach :) |
| [10:39:46] | portahex: | because nobody bothered to bring cooks with them |
| [10:39:50] | xris: | mchou: I'm telling you... sticky toffee pudding. |
| [10:39:53] | portahex: | menial jobs are jobs for the conquered locals |
| [10:39:57] | mchou: | conquered* |
| [10:40:01] | annulus_: | british "delicacies" like fish n chips, haggis, etc are unlikely to win many converts in a largely vegetarian country. |
| [10:40:08] | mchou: | lol |
| [10:40:10] | xris: | haggis isn't british |
| [10:40:14] | xris: | and "chips" are belgian |
| [10:40:17] | annulus_: | its scottish |
| [10:40:18] | mchou: | heh |
| [10:40:26] | xris: | annulus_: exactly |
| [10:40:42] | portahex: | in indian society, during the occupation, jobs were stricly provided on a class & race basis |
| [10:40:43] | mchou: | and Irish breakfasts |
| [10:40:48] | annulus_: | scotland is a part of the british island |
| [10:41:00] | xris: | annulus_: but completely different culture/cuisine. |
| [10:41:02] | portahex: | leadership for the whites, menials for the darkies, and middling jobs like train conductor for the hybrids |
| [10:41:10] | xris: | heck, even a different monarchy |
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| [10:41:40] | xris: | portahex: india had a HUGE muslim population by the time the brits got there |
| [10:41:40] | portahex: | curry only got popular in the uk after the occupation ended, and the anglo-indians left india to avoid persecution |
| [10:41:56] | portahex: | xris, i never said anything contrary to that |
| [10:42:10] | xris: | portahex: not "largly vegetarian"... depends on the region |
| [10:42:14] | annulus_: | portahex, "occupation"? india was a very racist country long before the british came along |
| [10:42:16] | portahex: | xris, i never said it was |
| [10:42:30] | portahex: | annulus_, absolutely. well, more classist than racist |
| [10:42:40] | xris: | portahex: my bad..,. you and annulus_ appear almost the same color in my client. |
| [10:42:47] | mchou: | lol |
| [10:42:48] | xris: | muslims (at least the ones I'm friends with) are pretty close to anti-vegetarian in their own diets. |
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| [10:43:09] | annulus_: | you could argue the british made it more meritocratic, at least in amongst the natives |
| [10:43:19] | portahex: | annulus_, you'd be surprised |
| [10:43:22] | annulus_: | (in no way excusing any british behavior here, btw) |
| [10:43:24] | mchou: | nono. your theories are all wrong..... |
| [10:43:33] | xris: | annulus_: india wasn't particularly racist at all. had a very good working system. the brits screwed it up by not being part of it, and getting in the middle of it. |
| [10:43:51] | ** portahex is half anglo-indian ** | |
| [10:43:51] | mchou: | the reason brits neer had a good tradition of cusine is that they never had spices |
| [10:43:56] | xris: | well, "good" in the sense that it worked, not that it was "correct" (although many would argue that point) |
| [10:43:58] | mchou: | never* |
| [10:44:07] | annulus_: | well, i'm afraid i don't know enough to argue (that generally doesn't stop me though!) |
| [10:44:12] | mchou: | Venice was the capital of the spice trade |
| [10:44:14] | justinh: | mchou: that and fear of anything different. still true today to a large extent |
| [10:44:42] | mchou: | until the dutch and brits tried to cut out the middleman |
| [10:44:51] | mchou: | i.e. Venetians |
| [10:45:03] | justinh: | go to any holiday destination popular with Brits & you'll see egg & chips on offer everywhere |
| [10:45:25] | mchou: | and only the very rich (in Europe) can afford spices, where sices had 10,000x mark up |
| [10:45:34] | mchou: | spices* |
| [10:45:37] | justinh: | my inlaws came to stay last year. I cooked a lasagne & the mother in law had never even seen one ffs |
| [10:45:46] | portahex: | justinh, terrifying |
| [10:45:46] | mchou: | haha!! |
| [10:46:04] | portahex: | my wife never ate anything with spices in until she met me, as she had never had it before & she reacted badly to them |
| [10:46:06] | justinh: | oo this looks.. erm.. exotic! |
| [10:46:24] | portahex: | nowadays i've weaned her off korma entirely, and she moans if i do mac & cheese without chilli powder |
| [10:46:26] | xris: | justinh: and here I think it's weird when I run into people here (seattle) who've never had curry |
| [10:46:29] | mchou: | portahex: so with all due respect, that theory sound nice, but it's wrong |
| [10:46:36] | justinh: | portahex: such is the perochiality of some parts of the NE of England ;) |
| [10:47:00] | portahex: | mchou, spices are readily available dirt cheap nowadays. yet british "cuisine" remains |
| [10:47:07] | xris: | portahex: my grandfather can't eat peppers of any kind (something to do with intestional trouble he got in ww2) |
| [10:47:12] | xris: | intestinal |
| [10:47:35] | justinh: | my grandad has the same trouble. comes from existing on PoW food for too long |
| [10:47:39] | annulus_: | portahex, its a smaller and smaller segment of a more global cuisine |
| [10:47:54] | mchou: | portahex: Ventian spice traders made more than bankers of their day |
| [10:48:02] | mchou: | Venetian* |
| [10:48:05] | portahex: | mchou, i don't dispute that |
| [10:48:30] | portahex: | mchou, but we're talking a gap of several centuries here |
| [10:48:38] | xris: | justinh: and canned australian butter (he was stationed in NZ for awhile).. had only that and mutton for months.. he apparently gets sick at the smell of either, even 50+ years later. |
| [10:48:39] | mchou: | portahex: so the british had tradition of "bland food" |
| [10:48:48] | ** justinh wonders what's going on in #mythtv-users ** | |
| [10:48:57] | portahex: | xris, i like mutton! |
| [10:48:58] | xris: | justinh: we often talk about food in here. |
| [10:49:04] | portahex: | justinh, i watch cookery shows through myth! |
| [10:49:14] | justinh: | heh |
| [10:49:18] | portahex: | "iron chef" is the best cooking show evar! |
| [10:49:26] | xris: | portahex: never had it (then again, I haven't really eaten meat in like 12 years) |
| [10:49:33] | justinh: | I used to watch Saturday Kitchen every weekend. can't be sodded anymore |
| [10:49:58] | portahex: | xris, it's like lamb, but better! harder, better, faster, stronger! |
| [10:50:04] | xris: | haven't had that, either. |
| [10:50:06] | portahex: | hard to find, though :/ |
| [10:50:26] | xris: | really? both are pretty easy to come by in seattle. |
| [10:50:28] | portahex: | xris, i completely fail at cooking without meat. the biggest problem is there's no meal that isn't improved by bacon |
| [10:50:38] | xris: | you and kormoc should hang out. |
| [10:50:42] | justinh: | portahex: like lamb, but from older stock :P |
| [10:50:54] | portahex: | justinh, yeah! matured lamb ;) |
| [10:51:04] | xris: | I can cook with meat just fine.. it just grosses me out. :) |
| [10:51:13] | portahex: | justinh, sainsburys sell mutton mince in their budget label, but it's seasonal |
| [10:51:14] | xris: | but I offer cooking advice to meat-eating friends all the time. |
| [10:51:33] | justinh: | veggie food is often more interesting than food with meat. going back to curries – you can rarely taste meat in those anyway, so what's the diff? |
| [10:51:45] | portahex: | justinh, texture |
| [10:51:50] | xris: | usually it's stuff like "add pepper" or "add peppers"... |
| [10:51:59] | justinh: | and bits that get stuck in your teeth ;) |
| [10:52:17] | xris: | portahex: texture is easily replicated. go get yourself some quorn sometime and tell me honestly that it doesn't perfectly mimic (dry) chicken |
| [10:52:21] | portahex: | xris, i do cook with peppers a lot. my wonder ingredient is probably jeera though. |
| [10:52:29] | portahex: | xris, dry chicken sucks though! |
| [10:52:48] | xris: | jeera == cumin.. interesting. yes, good spice |
| [10:52:55] | xris: | I grew up in south america. chilis for me. |
| [10:53:22] | xris: | but I use a lot of cumin, too. and pepper (of various varieties). |
| [10:53:22] | gbee: | ahh, couple of my favourite dishes use cumin, very good spice |
| [10:53:36] | portahex: | i think what disappoints me most about britain's acceptance of foreign cuisine is it's not about flavour |
| [10:53:42] | portahex: | i mean, look at *tender loving* vindaloo |
| [10:53:49] | justinh: | bravado ftw! |
| [10:53:53] | portahex: | curry designed to be uneatable, but make you look well 'ard for eating it |
| [10:54:00] | xris: | actually, isn't vindaloo a british dish? |
| [10:54:11] | justinh: | yeah but no sentient being enjoys a vindaloo & admits it |
| [10:54:15] | portahex: | xris, most curries are. but i'm an enormous fan of "embrace & extend" on cuisine |
| [10:54:15] | xris: | I know that masala is a british invention (well, invented by accident by an NRI) |
| [10:54:59] | portahex: | xris, there's zero shame in modifying cusine X for local palate Y, it can lead to all kinds of fascinating dishes |
| [10:55:01] | gbee: | xris: portuguese if you believe wikipaedia |
| [10:55:13] | xris: | gbee: interesting |
| [10:55:15] | justinh: | it's funny you know but the county I live in was where fish & chips were invented (batterred fish, style of chips etc) yet I can't find a decent place to get em |
| [10:55:19] | gbee: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vindaloo |
| [10:55:22] | portahex: | xris, try accidentally downloading & watching some Iron Chef – it's fascinating seeing what japanese chefs make of indian or french themes |
| [10:55:31] | xris: | much great food was invented by accident/necessity... (like port) |
| [10:55:40] | portahex: | justinh, you also live in a country where mediocre is celebrated |
| [10:55:46] | xris: | portahex: why download? foodtv here broadcasts it at least once/day |
| [10:55:51] | portahex: | xris, :( |
| [10:56:03] | portahex: | xris, it's never been shown in .uk |
| [10:56:08] | xris: | annoying |
| [10:56:10] | justinh: | portahex: only by the majority. I'm not so sure contemporary popular American food is any better |
| [10:56:12] | gbee: | justinh: very hard to find good fish and chips round here, the local place is supposed to be award winning but frankly it's pretty poor |
| [10:56:22] | portahex: | justinh, at least the service is better |
| [10:56:29] | ** justinh is proud to be in the minority ** | |
| [10:56:46] | xris: | justinh: pity, too.. americans have actually invented some great cuisine... albeit descended from other things... |
| [10:57:01] | mchou: | nah, I think thai is the ultimate fusion |
| [10:57:06] | xris: | but maybe the rest of the world doesn't understand pie like it's one here. :) |
| [10:57:15] | mchou: | only place never been colonized :) |
| [10:57:17] | justinh: | mmm pie |
| [10:57:26] | justinh: | mmm thai, too! |
| [10:57:30] | xris: | heh |
| [10:57:40] | xris: | I can agree, having eaten both of those things in the last few days |
| [10:57:41] | portahex: | xris, i enjoy fusing things for shits & giggles. see: directhex's thai burritos; directhex's mexican lasagne |
| [10:57:45] | justinh: | my favourite fast food is Wagamama's |
| [10:57:58] | portahex: | justinh, ever been to gourmet burger kitchen? |
| [10:57:59] | BULLE: | wagawhat ? |
| [10:58:07] | justinh: | BULLE: noodle bar |
| [10:58:08] | portahex: | wagamama is fast-food japanese iirc |
| [10:58:08] | gbee: | my problem is that I simply cannot stomach poor food, my dad started his career as a properly trained chef so I measure meals by the quality of stuff I ate as a kid |
| [10:58:12] | BULLE: | justinh: ah, thanks |
| [10:58:16] | BULLE: | sounds nice |
| [10:58:20] | ** BULLE has sushi yesterday ** | |
| [10:58:23] | xris: | portahex: try "mexican ravioli"... stuff ravioli with jalapeno and jack cheese, serve with a sauce based around salsa. |
| [10:58:23] | BULLE: | s/has/had/ |
| [10:58:38] | mchou: | forget fish and chips. Pad nam Prik ftw! |
| [10:58:38] | portahex: | xris, sounds good. and also cheesy! |
| [10:58:43] | justinh: | it's amazing – not expensive, filling & tasty. usually quicker than Bugger King too |
| [10:58:45] | gbee: | xris: that sounds nice |
| [10:58:50] | xris: | hmm, my next hot sauce purchase is finally back in stock! http://www.sweatnspice.com/562-28.htm |
| [10:58:59] | mchou: | that's fish and chips on a single dish :) |
| [10:58:59] | portahex: | justinh, they just opened one next to the bus stop in oxford :) |
| [10:59:01] | xris: | guess I call kormoc tomorrow and see what else he wants to order. |
| [10:59:13] | xris: | (note scoville rating on that one) |
| [10:59:37] | portahex: | i don't eat hot for the sake of hot anymore |
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| [10:59:51] | portahex: | which is a shame, as i have another 2 kilos of hot chilli powder to get through |
| [10:59:53] | xris: | portahex: depends on the mood.. I rarely do |
| [11:00:02] | xris: | but it's sometimes nice to freak people out. |
| [11:00:11] | justinh: | lol |
| [11:00:27] | xris: | that sauce is supposed to still have a bit of flavor, though |
| [11:00:29] | gbee: | don't like curry hot, but love chilli hot – mexican ftw |
| [11:00:38] | portahex: | best place to buy spices on the cheap is your local halal meat centre. you pay about a quid for a 12g jar of a spice from the supermarket, or 2 quid for a 1kg bag of better stuff at a halal meat centre |
| [11:01:07] | justinh: | remember an episode of Goodness Gracious Me where an Indian family go out for 'an English' – all goading each other to get the blandest thing on the menu. hilarious |
| [11:01:19] | portahex: | justinh, that was a good show |
| [11:01:32] | mchou: | portahex: most ppl dont know McCormicks' has 1000x mark up on spice |
| [11:01:44] | mchou: | that true even to this day |
| [11:01:58] | mchou: | $5 for a lil jar of pepper |
| [11:02:06] | portahex: | mchou, i do. at least the factory smells nice |
| [11:02:15] | mchou: | look up the Indian spice exchange |
| [11:02:15] | xris: | mchou: that's a sad fact. I get just about everything of mine in bulk |
| [11:02:53] | mchou: | actually, I stand corrected. it's 2000x |
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| [11:03:27] | portahex: | mccormick uk are based in the village i grew up in |
| [11:03:57] | mchou: | portahex: time for a revolt I say :) |
| [11:04:21] | portahex: | mchou, well, the village smells faintly of curry at times, which is no bad thing |
| [11:04:22] | mchou: | McCormick is the modern day East India Trading Co. |
| [11:04:25] | gbee: | you know the historical reason why we didn't use as much spice and seasoning as the rest of Europe? It's not as much about the cost of spices as you'd think, but the quality of the raw ingredients – European meat and veg was poorer than the produce in the UK so they developed heavy sauces and seasoning to disguise the flavour |
| [11:04:26] | portahex: | except if you're hungry |
| [11:04:50] | xris: | mchou: check out their saffron prices... it's even higher for some stuff |
| [11:04:59] | xris: | or vanilla beans |
| [11:05:07] | portahex: | mmm... vanilla |
| [11:05:19] | ** portahex goes to grab a glass of foreignese mango juice ** | |
| [11:05:28] | justinh: | gbee: heard that one about the whole Brits & curry thing |
| [11:05:34] | mchou: | gbee: that's like saying England has better cows than rest of Europe :) |
| [11:05:53] | gbee: | mchou: better grazing etc yeah, apparently |
| [11:05:54] | mchou: | it might even be true, but you'd die of Mad Cow :) |
| [11:06:09] | mchou: | or Hoof and Mouth |
| [11:06:19] | justinh: | no better way to go than beefy juices dribbling down your chin :D |
| [11:06:23] | mchou: | both equally unpleasant |
| [11:06:34] | BULLE: | mchou: for what its worth, there have been BSE cases in the us aswell |
| [11:06:43] | BULLE: | and hoof and mouth isnt realy an issue for humans |
| [11:06:50] | mchou: | BULLE: oh, dont be so sensitive :) |
| [11:06:55] | portahex: | haven't US dairy farmers found BSE-infected cows produce more milk? |
| [11:07:03] | BULLE: | portahex: =D |
| [11:07:06] | BULLE: | portahex: for to make profit! |
| [11:07:15] | BULLE: | portahex: i thought it was injection with 1 gallon of steroids per day |
| [11:07:21] | mchou: | portahex: lactose intolerant, remember? |
| [11:07:30] | portahex: | i need to think about lunch. i think i'll just whack a frozen pizza in, and cook for dinner |
| [11:07:37] | justinh: | I sometimes wonder about these bovine ailments – if they're all okay when cooked properly (save for BSE) why all the mass panic? just do the slaughter & let us have the spoils to eat |
| [11:07:39] | mchou: | portahex: just not affected personally :) |
| [11:07:41] | portahex: | mchou, i don't remember what i have for breakfast. so no |
| [11:08:09] | ** portahex needs to finish sorting his mortgage ** | |
| [11:08:16] | BULLE: | justinh: even BSE infected animals are perfectly safe to eat, if slaughtered properly, and cooked well |
| [11:08:24] | xris: | mchou: that's hardly an excuse with the easy availability of lactaid and such these days |
| [11:08:42] | portahex: | go go gadget frozen pizza! |
| [11:08:45] | justinh: | even this birdflu furore.. apparently they're fine when cooked properly so what's the fuss? |
| [11:08:53] | BULLE: | justinh: =D |
| [11:08:56] | mchou: | xris: dude, a majority of population is lactose intolerant |
| [11:09:03] | xris: | mchou: so? |
| [11:09:14] | BULLE: | justinh: there, the big thing is that having shitloads of birds with avian flue, means high risk of virus jumping from bird to human, and then, things are not nice |
| [11:09:21] | mchou: | there is no need to rely on pharmaceticals for a natural occurence |
| [11:09:27] | BULLE: | mchou: no its a very small minority that is lactose intolerant |
| [11:09:33] | gbee: | justinh: I think the entire chicken population going extinct _might_ put a dent in the eating ;) |
| [11:09:38] | mchou: | BULLE: Huh??? |
| [11:09:43] | xris: | it's not an excuse to not try the occasional non-fermented milk product if you can take a cheap pill to avoid the symptoms. |
| [11:09:49] | BULLE: | mchou: hint, it all depends on where you live |
| [11:09:52] | portahex: | £1.50 garlic chicken stonebake pizza. aren't i the gourmet? |
| [11:09:55] | xris: | BULLE: among caucasians, maybe |
| [11:09:59] | justinh: | portahex: lol |
| [11:10:09] | mchou: | BULLE: I'm talking the world's population |
| [11:10:09] | portahex: | well, 2 for £3 |
| [11:10:10] | justinh: | must be a slow oven though |
| [11:10:26] | BULLE: | xris: hmmm, dunno, i think the average caucasians might have some issues with large ammounts of lactose aswell |
| [11:10:31] | BULLE: | mchou: oh, im not! |
| [11:10:55] | justinh: | I have problems with bile but since I don't stay in here as much anymore it's got better |
| [11:10:55] | portahex: | i have a problem with large amounts of citric acid. makes me ill :( |
| [11:11:13] | gbee: | justinh: lol |
| [11:11:21] | portahex: | mmm, i'd kill for a nice gbk burger right now |
| [11:11:21] | xris: | BULLE: blacks and asians generally have relatively high lactose intolerant populations.. don't know if it's a majority, but certainly a large minority |
| [11:11:40] | justinh: | portahex: when they make it to Manchester I'll let you know |
| [11:11:44] | BULLE: | xris: i think its a majority for those groups |
| [11:11:46] | xris: | mchou: still a minority in the world's population. |
| [11:11:55] | portahex: | justinh, it's grim oop norf! |
| [11:11:59] | justinh: | sure is |
| [11:12:06] | gbee: | just the way we like it |
| [11:12:13] | mchou: | http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic3429.htm |
| [11:12:18] | gbee: | well some of us |
| [11:12:21] | justinh: | all the UK's very grim. london's grimmest prolly beats Manchester |
| [11:12:30] | mchou: | "Of the world's population, 75% is estimated to be lactose-deficient. Lactose intolerance is very common among Asian, South American, and African persons." |
| [11:12:38] | justinh: | at least folks are a bit friendlier up here |
| [11:12:40] | gbee: | I'd take Manchester over London any day |
| [11:12:45] | mchou: | that's 3/4 people in thw world |
| [11:12:48] | mchou: | the* |
| [11:12:57] | portahex: | justdave, Manchester Spinningfields, Unit B6 Left Bank, Spinningfields, Bridge Street, Manchester, M3 3ER |
| [11:13:08] | justinh: | wtf is Spinningfields? |
| [11:13:15] | gbee: | bit? that's an understatement |
| [11:13:19] | portahex: | justinh, *gently loved* if i know |
| [11:13:28] | mchou: | 75% is hardly a "minority" |
| [11:13:29] | portahex: | http://www.gbkinfo.com/images/Map_Manchester.gif |
| [11:13:35] | justinh: | think I know wher bridge st is |
| [11:13:50] | BULLE: | mchou: its 75% of 3/4 of the worlds population =D |
| [11:13:54] | justinh: | ffs that's almost salford |
| [11:14:12] | mchou: | BULLE: calling that a minority is sheer stupidity |
| [11:14:17] | portahex: | these things mean nothing to me. i just hear "norf! norf! yaaaargh!" |
| [11:14:25] | gbee: | Bridge St the one by the Cathedral? |
| [11:14:28] | BULLE: | mchou: 1) i never said i was talking about the whole earths population |
| [11:14:33] | justinh: | gbee: kinda |
| [11:14:35] | xris: | mchou: deficient != intolerant... at least not in my book. |
| [11:14:41] | portahex: | minority amongst us middle class whites. what ho, toodle pip |
| [11:14:42] | BULLE: | xris: that to |
| [11:14:44] | ** xris goes back to shopping for hot sauce ** | |
| [11:15:08] | xris: | mchou: eat some yogurt or kefir.. tasty milk products that are safe for you (no/negligible lactose) |
| [11:15:22] | mchou: | bullshit |
| [11:15:24] | justinh: | just looked at the GBK website. DROOOOOOOOOOOOOL! |
| [11:15:30] | BULLE: | mchou: 2) its 56% if you take those 75% of pop having 75% deficiency, and it will be lower, as the rest has less percentage of deficient people, you might very well end up under 50% and then, its a minority |
| [11:15:41] | mchou: | you euros need to get over your overdependency on milk |
| [11:15:55] | portahex: | we have to |
| [11:15:57] | portahex: | china's buying it all |
| [11:16:01] | portahex: | milk prices are rocketing |
| [11:16:02] | mchou: | you dont see adult animals drinking mikle in the wild |
| [11:16:12] | mchou: | mile* |
| [11:16:16] | mchou: | milk* |
| [11:16:20] | gbee: | justinh: well close to it anyway, been a while so I'm probably remembering it being nearer than it actually is |
| [11:16:21] | BULLE: | mchou: its not a matter of getting over, its has been a matter of survival where i live |
| [11:16:22] | portahex: | third time lucky |
| [11:16:24] | BULLE: | mchou: drink milk, or die, basicly |
| [11:16:26] | mchou: | milk is for babies :) |
| [11:16:31] | justinh: | not only that, the price of feed is going up |
| [11:16:42] | xris: | mchou: huh? quite a few wild animals will suckle off of domesticated livestock. |
| [11:16:45] | justinh: | mchou: so what do you put on your breakfast cereal? Whiskey? |
| [11:16:56] | portahex: | justinh, the best they do IME is the "pesterella" |
| [11:17:01] | mchou: | xris: I said in the wild |
| [11:17:02] | xris: | justinh: I use soy or rice milk, actually |
| [11:17:15] | xris: | mchou: "wild animals will..." |
| [11:17:18] | mchou: | xris: not some domesticated mad cows |
| [11:17:21] | gbee: | they were predicting £4 per pint for beer this week because of the weather affecting the hop harvest!! :( |
| [11:17:25] | justinh: | never tried either of them xris. I had fully skimmed milk once, it was grim |
| [11:17:33] | BULLE: | mchou: its not that the grown up children dont want to drink milk, its their mother that forecully stops them, as she things feeding her new young is the best use of it |
| [11:17:33] | xris: | gbee: I heard that.. bad hop harvest worldwide |
| [11:17:38] | justinh: | gbee: it's been more than that in Newcastle for ages |
| [11:17:58] | mchou: | BULLE: lol |
| [11:17:59] | xris: | justinh: try vanilla soy milk somtime — don't expect it to taste like cow milk, but it's pretty tasty. |
| [11:18:12] | portahex: | how do you milk a soybean anyway? |
| [11:18:13] | xris: | and if you like chocolate, it goes much better with soy milk than with dairy. |
| [11:18:22] | gbee: | justinh: heh, well I remember when we used to find it almost unbelievable that it was £2 a pint in London |
| [11:18:25] | mchou: | BULLE: so why are you robbing baby cows? |
| [11:18:26] | xris: | portahex: cook + blender + strain |
| [11:18:28] | justinh: | I've been tempted to try soy milk since I've heard so much good about it |
| [11:18:38] | portahex: | xris, you KILL them? :o |
| [11:18:47] | xris: | justinh: silk brand is pretty safe if you can get it over there. |
| [11:18:54] | portahex: | beans are people too! free the bean! the bean is a slave! |
| [11:18:58] | xris: | portahex: they're beans... pre-life. :) |
| [11:19:00] | justinh: | gbee: most places I've drank in London, beer was cheaper there than on Deansgate |
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| [11:19:30] | justinh: | and both are a cheaper night out than Newcastle or Whitley Bay |
| [11:19:32] | gbee: | justinh: things have change a bit, aye |
| [11:19:32] | mchou: | the Chinese have used soy milk for centuries :) |
| [11:19:40] | portahex: | mchou, and now they use cow's milk |
| [11:19:52] | mchou: | portahex: bullshit |
| [11:20:02] | portahex: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6934709.stm |
| [11:20:04] | justinh: | portahex: yeah an apparently it's a bitch for them cos so many are intolerant |
| [11:20:08] | mchou: | go to any chinese market or rel chinese restaurant |
| [11:20:15] | mchou: | real* |
| [11:20:28] | mchou: | where they serve breakfast |
| [11:20:36] | justinh: | mchou: according to stuff I've read it's a symptom of their increasing westernisation |
| [11:20:44] | mchou: | animal milk is NEVER servered |
| [11:20:58] | mchou: | served* |
| [11:21:13] | BULLE: | mchou: why ? as i said, in the past, it has been a simple matter of survival |
| [11:21:21] | BULLE: | mchou: either, you could drink milk, or you died |
| [11:21:23] | ** xris doesn't drink cow milk if he can avoid it... (cream and buttermilk are other things entirely, though) ** | |
| [11:21:36] | portahex: | I have a dream to provide every Chinese, especially children, sufficient milk each day |
| [11:21:36] | portahex: | Wen Jiabao |
| [11:21:36] | portahex: | Chinese Premier |
| [11:21:42] | mchou: | BULLE: survival for who? |
| [11:21:51] | BULLE: | mchou: we, the humans that is |
| [11:21:55] | mchou: | lol |
| [11:22:18] | mchou: | the Chinese outnumber you Causcians :) |
| [11:22:23] | BULLE: | mchou: no, no lol, why do you think there virtualy are no lactose intolerant people here ? |
| [11:22:35] | mchou: | some Chinese must have survived :) |
| [11:22:51] | BULLE: | mchou: now you are pretty darn silly |
| [11:23:01] | portahex: | i hear they built a giant wall to keep fresians out |
| [11:23:02] | BULLE: | mchou: its not like the average chinese climate is like the average climate here |
| [11:23:20] | mchou: | BULLE: chinese arent humans, is that your theory? |
| [11:23:24] | BULLE: | mchou: no |
| [11:23:33] | portahex: | "The one confusing factor is that of lactose intolerance. The majority of Chinese adults suffer a deficiency of lactase, the enzyme needed to break down the lactose in milk and the common trigger for lactose intolerance." |
| [11:23:43] | BULLE: | mchou: my theory is that if you live upp in the very northern parts of scandinavia, enviroment is very different from china |
| [11:24:28] | portahex: | how did we get to milk from curry? |
| [11:24:31] | mchou: | BULLE: if you look on the map, you see most of China lies along same latitude as most of Europe |
| [11:24:44] | xris: | mchou: don't outnumber us by that much.. you must remember that many people from India are also caucasian (though not "white") |
| [11:24:44] | portahex: | i like talking about curry |
| [11:25:03] | mchou: | and not all Europeans came from Norway or Scandanavia |
| [11:25:34] | BULLE: | mchou: once again, i have never claimed to talk about europeans or all humans, i have claimed to talk about the population where i live nothing more nothing less |
| [11:25:59] | BULLE: | mchou: secondly, it hink you should look at the map aswell, and see how far north northern scandinavia is, its way more north then most of europe |
| [11:26:15] | mchou: | BULLE: you talked about survival, and implies the chinese dont live in Scandanavia :) |
| [11:26:20] | mchou: | implied* |
| [11:26:44] | BULLE: | mchou: yes, that implies that |
| [11:26:44] | mchou: | and I showed both your propositions to be fallacy |
| [11:27:03] | BULLE: | mchou: a quick look at a worldmap shows me that the southmost part of sweden is more north then any part of china |
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| [11:27:31] | mchou: | Korea is pretty high latitude. Most of them are lactose intolerant too :) |
| [11:27:43] | BULLE: | mchou: korea high latitue ? |
| [11:27:47] | BULLE: | latitude ? |
| [11:27:58] | justinh: | telnet minimyth |
| [11:27:59] | mchou: | BULLE: and I said most Europeans arent decended from Scandanavia |
| [11:28:00] | justinh: | arse |
| [11:28:32] | BULLE: | mchou: http://web.mit.edu/kenta/www/one/world-map.png |
| [11:28:39] | mchou: | so saying that it's amatter of survival is hogwash |
| [11:28:40] | BULLE: | mchou: look at sweeden, china and korea there |
| [11:28:42] | gbee: | korea is at a lower latitude than the most northerly points of China – hell, China borders Korea to the north |
| [11:28:43] | BULLE: | mchou: no its not |
| [11:29:10] | mchou: | it's certain hogwash for most Europeans |
| [11:29:12] | BULLE: | gbee: indeed |
| [11:29:25] | BULLE: | mchou: and once again ( fort he third time ? ) i have never claimed im talking about all europeans |
| [11:29:35] | justinh: | hmmm lovely, milky milky |
| [11:29:40] | portahex: | moo? |
| [11:29:43] | BULLE: | its pretty obvious, mainland europe is very different from northern scandinavia |
| [11:29:46] | BULLE: | portahex: no, cows go "mu" |
| [11:29:51] | portahex: | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Moo/ |
| [11:29:51] | BULLE: | portahex: atleat our cows =D |
| [11:29:57] | mchou: | BULLE: no, but you tried to make the link :) |
| [11:30:02] | justinh: | as opposed to noobs, they go 'muuuuuuuuuuuuh' |
| [11:30:04] | portahex: | BULLE, it's been proven animals have regional accents |
| [11:30:06] | BULLE: | mchou: no i didnt |
| [11:30:13] | BULLE: | portahex: ye i know, its pretty funny actualy |
| [11:30:21] | portahex: | och aye, moo laddie! |
| [11:30:23] | ** xris goes to sleep... ** | |
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| [11:30:36] | BULLE: | portahex: also that animals living in big cities "speak" louder then animals living out them woods |
| [11:30:47] | portahex: | BULLE, och aye, moo laddie! |
| [11:31:01] | gbee: | a recent study here in the UK showed that while many people think they are lactose intolerant, a large number are just imagining it because of all the hype around the subject |
| [11:31:14] | ** BULLE is not ** | |
| [11:31:15] | portahex: | gbee, self-diangosis rules! |
| [11:32:05] | mchou: | gbee: are you daft? |
| [11:32:37] | portahex: | mchou, he's *gasp* not chinese. several billion people in "not chinese" shocker |
| [11:32:42] | mchou: | you saying that 75% of the worlds population just imagine they have the runs when they drink too much milk?? |
| [11:33:41] | BULLE: | mchou: ehm, its more like 55% then 75%, and those numbers are from the ones you quoted earlier ( 75% of 3/4 ) |
| [11:34:08] | mchou: | I find it amusing the mediacla profession uses terminology like "lactose INtolerant" when it's a normal condition for around 75% of the world's population |
| [11:34:24] | justinh: | westernised medicine :) |
| [11:34:36] | mchou: | if that irony doesnt strike you, I dont know what will |
| [11:35:04] | justinh: | maybe cos 75% or more of the world's money belongs to 25% of the world |
| [11:35:11] | mchou: | lol |
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| [11:35:32] | mchou: | that 90% of the worlds money belong to 10% :) |
| [11:35:54] | justinh: | maybe even more imbalanced than that. I'm not one of the 10% so I dunno |
| [11:36:24] | justinh: | bah! need to sort out the small font sizes in glass-wide |
| [11:36:42] | justinh: | might aswell go back to issuing version numbers |
| [11:36:51] | mchou: | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1787.html |
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| [11:36:54] | portahex: | it's a pretty bloody obvious thing to do though. breast milk is beneficial, cows have breasty things full of lots of milk, put that resource to use! |
| [11:37:13] | justinh: | actually no, since I've not had any reports about font sizes screw it. make it a quiet change |
| [11:37:15] | mchou: | "The researchers found two variations in the human genome associated with lactose intolerance." |
| [11:37:15] | siXy: | portahex: only works if you actually have cows |
| [11:38:01] | gbee: | mchou: daft? I'm stating the results of a scientific study of the UK population ... fail to see what you can take issue with there |
| [11:38:03] | mchou: | "The fact that the same variations occur in distantly related populations supports the theory that all humans were once lactose intolerant, and that "lactase persistence" evolved only after people domesticated animals and began drinking their milk." |
| [11:38:09] | mchou: | Now that's FACT |
| [11:38:20] | portahex: | gbee, it wasn't done in china |
| [11:38:20] | mchou: | all humans :) |
| [11:39:03] | portahex: | siXy, until then, suck on a spare boob or two! |
| [11:39:16] | BULLE: | mchou: yes |
| [11:39:22] | mchou: | so saying that drinking milk was necessary for "survival" is PURE HOGWASH |
| [11:39:24] | gbee: | never claimed it was done in China or was representative of the world population |
| [11:39:25] | BULLE: | mchou: and why do you then think virtualy everyone here, can drink milk ? |
| [11:39:39] | BULLE: | mchou: its pretty simple, those who couldnt, died out |
| [11:39:43] | mchou: | lol |
| [11:40:42] | mchou: | that explains the 75% of worls population who are lactose intolerant |
| [11:40:54] | mchou: | world's* |
| [11:40:54] | BULLE: | mchou: if you read up onthe subject, try to find some of the articles related to lactate production in .fi populations, dunno if they were published in nature genetics or gentics or human genetics, and you will get the story pretty well told |
| [11:41:18] | BULLE: | mchou: for the last time, northern sweden is way different then most other parts of sweden |
| [11:41:26] | ** siXy wonders if anyone has a mythtv question ** | |
| [11:41:27] | portahex: | actually mchou's article supports BULLE's stance |
| [11:41:34] | mchou: | BULLE: I call your bluff. Show me the links or abstract |
| [11:41:40] | portahex: | siXy, what's a good dvb-s card to use? |
| [11:41:43] | BULLE: | mchou: no trees, because we are to far north, 3–5 meters of snow -40C |
| [11:42:34] | portahex: | BULLE, you have lots of moose. what's moose milk like? |
| [11:42:44] | gbee: | generally seems to me, that if eating or drinking something makes you ill, then you don't do it – so the theory of lactose tolerance building up "because we were drinking milk despite it making us ill" seems illogical, unless we had to drink it for survival reasons |
| [11:43:01] | siXy: | portahex: never used DVB-S myself. There is a DVB-S version of the DBV-T leadtek 1000-T card, which might be worth a look |
| [11:43:06] | portahex: | gbee, quiet, you! logic has no place here! |
| [11:43:15] | justinh: | rofl |
| [11:43:23] | portahex: | siXy, i keep hearing about voltage problems with dvb-s is all |
| [11:43:34] | justinh: | siXy: is that card as dirt cheap as the dvb-t version? |
| [11:43:43] | BULLE: | portahex: dunno, we dont drink moose milk, what you do drink is raindeer milk |
| [11:43:46] | ** siXy looks it up ** | |
| [11:43:47] | justinh: | less than £20 at my local emporia |
| [11:43:48] | BULLE: | mchou: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=p . . . med_RVDocSum |
| [11:44:00] | BULLE: | i will be back later, now its time to go shopping before shopps close |
| [11:44:10] | portahex: | BULLE, no link posting! bad! naughty! |
| [11:44:11] | gbee: | there is a DVB-S version of the LR6550? |
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| [11:44:38] | siXy: | yeah just as cheap |
| [11:44:50] | siXy: | http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=700876 |
| [11:44:57] | ** portahex is gonna have his own house soon, can get a sat :) ** | |
| [11:45:04] | portahex: | ooh, scan. free shipping roolz |
| [11:45:18] | justinh: | 20 squids?! |
| [11:45:20] | gbee: | hmm, will probably be getting a DVB-S card in time for the launch of FreeSat, so that's appealing |
| [11:45:23] | justinh: | put me down for 3 |
| [11:45:37] | justinh: | join the avforums & get free shipping :D |
| [11:45:54] | portahex: | gbee, i'm hazy about this "launch" thing. bbc & itv are already in the clear on astra2 |
| [11:46:04] | justinh: | registered members of avforums get free shipping on orders over £20 from sscan.co.uk |
| [11:46:05] | portahex: | justinh, or forums.hexus.net |
| [11:46:13] | portahex: | same dealio |
| [11:46:18] | siXy: | really? i didnt know that... |
| [11:46:22] | siXy: | nice |
| [11:46:25] | justinh: | now you do! |
| [11:46:35] | justinh: | I didn't know that either, til I knew it. Then I knew it :D |
| [11:46:55] | siXy: | hehe :D |
| [11:46:57] | gbee: | portahex: yeah, honestly I don't really know what it means either except that the BBC/ITV partnership are going to be distributing their own STBs and not relying on Sky |
| [11:47:15] | portahex: | http://forums.hexus.net/scan-care-hexus/annou . . . n-rules.html |
| [11:47:25] | justinh: | gbee: Freesat from Sly relies on their STB with an NDS CAM |
| [11:47:29] | portahex: | gbee, well, they're in the clear, so *gently caress* STBs – dvb-s direct! |
| [11:47:33] | justinh: | Freesat is just FTA |
| [11:47:44] | justinh: | Freesat from Sly == FTV |
| [11:47:54] | siXy: | have they put BBC-HD on freesat? |
| [11:47:56] | portahex: | channel 4 is going FTA in march |
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| [11:47:58] | portahex: | siXy, yes |
| [11:48:02] | siXy: | oooh... |
| [11:48:07] | portahex: | siXy, good luck playing it on a mortal pc though |
| [11:48:10] | justinh: | is BBC-HD DVB-S or DVB-S2 ? |
| [11:48:18] | portahex: | siXy, until the threaded h264 decoding patch goes mainstream |
| [11:48:24] | portahex: | justinh, dvb-s h264 |
| [11:48:30] | justinh: | guy at work (bit of an asshole) reckons dvb-s2 |
| [11:48:35] | portahex: | justinh, sky only supports dvb-s iirc |
| [11:48:44] | gbee: | so how does this free postage work? |
| [11:48:45] | justinh: | Sly HD is DVB-S2 I heard |
| [11:48:51] | siXy: | portahex: the threaded h264 is reasonably stable now iirc |
| [11:49:04] | justinh: | gbee: sign up to the avforums, find the linky banner for free scan shipping |
| [11:49:12] | portahex: | justinh, nope, t'is not |
| [11:49:25] | portahex: | gbee, see my link for the hexus forums version instructions |
| [11:49:27] | ** justinh wonders what the h.264 stuff will be like on his core2 duo mowbly ** | |
| [11:49:50] | portahex: | bbc hd is transmitted on the same dvb-s transport as bbc1 cambridge |
| [11:49:52] | justinh: | .. if I ever *tender-loving* receive it this year that is |
| [11:50:07] | siXy: | apple being slow? |
| [11:50:09] | portahex: | and bbc1 channel islands |
| [11:50:23] | justinh: | siXy: nobody's donated the mac mini yet :( |
| [11:50:35] | gbee: | "minimum of 25 constructive posts" err, yeah hmm |
| [11:50:36] | siXy: | ah :( |
| [11:50:39] | portahex: | http://lyngsat.com/astra2d.html |
| [11:50:47] | justinh: | gbee: just need to be a member of the avforums IIRC |
| [11:51:28] | ** justinh tries to remember. did he take the dish to the tip or just sling it in the shed? hmmm ** | |
| [11:51:29] | portahex: | dvb-s2 channels are explicitly marked as dvb-s2 on lyngsat |
| [11:52:11] | justinh: | I fink a whole transport has to be dvb-s2, not just channels |
| [11:52:33] | portahex: | justinh, indeed |
| [11:52:41] | justinh: | tempted to get dvb-s just so I can write a decent frickin english howto for the wiki |
| [11:52:42] | portahex: | justinh, all transports on astra2 are dvb-s not svb-s2 |
| [11:53:24] | justinh: | there's bugger all info for dvb-s users of mythtv anywhere |
| [11:53:35] | portahex: | looks like there are some sky-owned dvb-s2 transports on eurobird 1 |
| [11:54:03] | portahex: | and sky italia, on hotbird 6/7/8 |
| [11:54:32] | justinh: | well, that's one roofer guy we won't be using. hasn't turned up between 9 & 10 to give me a quote. his loss |
| [11:55:15] | justinh: | need my gutterring sorted out. the cast iron one at the front of the house is shot. 1. I'm no good on ladders up that high. 2. cast iron is heavy |
| [11:56:25] | gbee: | tell ya what, I'll accept donations of DVB-S cards |
| [11:56:51] | justinh: | how dare you undercut my mac mini demands! ;) |
| [11:56:56] | portahex: | gbee, i'll donate a ps3 remote if you write a non-sucky driver |
| [11:58:16] | gbee: | heh, hate driver writing, sorry |
| [11:58:21] | portahex: | :'( |
| [11:59:15] | portahex: | oh lord. you know that cruise liner that's sinking in the antarctic? guess what it's called |
| [11:59:34] | justinh: | juski ? |
| [11:59:49] | portahex: | m/s explorer |
| [11:59:51] | gbee: | M/S Explorer – jokes already been done by the Register |
| [12:01:07] | ** justinh has always wondered why Microsoft always gets abbreviated to MS. It's not 'Micro Soft' after all ** | |
| [12:01:51] | justinh: | thought it was about right that MS ME was a terrible affliction though. I mean.. ME on top of MS |
| [12:03:26] | gbee: | considering that Microsoft is just Micro – Software, I think it's logical that people still divide the two parts of the name in their minds |
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| [12:04:56] | ciphercast_: | hey guys |
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| [12:06:23] | siXy: | Wasn't the S capital in the old days anyway? |
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| [12:06:32] | gbee: | basic was original written for MITS, Micro I-something or other, which is where the Micro bit came from, it's not a description of the software which is anything but micro (bloated) |
| [12:08:14] | gbee: | siXy: quick google search suggests not – http://www.i-lo.tarnow.pl/edu/inf/hist/gui/pages/win101.htm |
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| [12:08:33] | portahex: | MS predate windows by a long way |
| [12:08:38] | siXy: | hm ok. my memory playing up i guess |
| [12:08:43] | portahex: | i have a dragon 32 which runs MS OS 9 :) |
| [12:08:44] | andrewju: | Hi All, |
| [12:09:27] | justinh: | portahex: there's Welsh isn't it? ;) |
| [12:09:46] | andrewju: | Does anybody know what (LMS) means when Myth is tuning to a DVB channel (live tv)? |
| [12:09:48] | portahex: | justinh, yes! the welshest of trash-80 clones ever made by a welsh welshman |
| [12:09:58] | justinh: | 6809 was my fave processor to do assembler on |
| [12:10:11] | justinh: | andrewju: L == lock |
| [12:11:03] | ciphercast_: | pcHDTV vs. HDHomeRun, what do you guys think? |
| [12:11:25] | ciphercast_: | or, for that matter, any better recommendations for a ATSC tuner? |
| [12:11:55] | andrewju: | justinh, and what about M and S ? :) I'm still fighting with setting my DVB-S up and now I'm getting (LMs), without any picture... Don't know how to trace it... :( |
| [12:12:24] | gbee: | anykey_: L = lock (locked on signal), M = PMT (found Programme Map Table in signal), S = SDT (Found Service Descriptor Table) |
| [12:12:39] | justinh: | I wish those messages could be disabled |
| [12:12:56] | gbee: | justinh: same here, it's on my list of things |
| [12:13:11] | justinh: | great for testing though :) |
| [12:13:30] | justinh: | andrewju: did you do a scan in mythtv-setup or did you cheat and import a channels.conf ? |
| [12:14:19] | ** justinh commits the new font changeroony ** | |
| [12:14:38] | andrewju: | I did a scan and then I cheated with the database a little. Otherwise Myth just won't put proper data to the channel configuration table... :( |
| [12:14:43] | gbee: | lower case s would mean that it didn't find the SDT, or something like that, I really should have paid more attention when Daniel added the signal monitor |
| [12:15:17] | justinh: | gbee: aye |
| [12:15:19] | portahex: | i am going to play teh videogamez! |
| [12:15:24] | gbee: | justinh: did you see my message about the blt-w programme guide icons? |
| [12:15:24] | anykey_: | gbee: huh? |
| [12:15:39] | justinh: | gbee: yeah. does it matter? can't really be arsed |
| [12:15:59] | andrewju: | gbee, thanks! Now I'm lost again... :) |
| [12:16:36] | gbee: | justinh: not really, just figured that if you went to the trouble of drawing them that you wanted them used – if not just delete them, upto you either way, I'll make the changes if you want |
| [12:16:39] | justinh: | andrewju: seems like manually fecking with the database you've missed something vidal |
| [12:16:52] | gbee: | anykey_: huh? |
| [12:17:10] | anykey_: | gbee: you highlighted me ;-) |
| [12:17:14] | portahex: | gbee and anykey_, huh? |
| [12:17:14] | justinh: | gbee: ah so I put them in the icons dir but didnt call em. I prolly cant even test them anyway if they're svn-ish |
| [12:17:38] | gbee: | anykey_: doh, autocomplete |
| [12:18:20] | gbee: | justinh: aye, they are in the programguide directory, but ui.xml points to the wrong place so it uses the defaults |
| [12:18:32] | justinh: | I'll have a look later |
| [12:18:36] | gbee: | easy fix |
| [12:18:39] | andrewju: | justinh: I think so too... Is it only 'dtv_multiplex' and 'channel' tables that I need to check? I mean, is channel configuration stored in these two tables only? |
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| [12:22:22] | Hoxzer: | Hmm, seems like mythtv-multirec stopped working with trunk mythplugins. Any ideas which revision of mythplugins should work with mythtv-multirec if any ? |
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| [12:25:19] | ciphercast_: | any ideas on a hd tuner guys> |
| [12:25:22] | ciphercast_: | *? |
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| [12:29:01] | portahex: | we're mostly yurpean! |
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| [12:31:23] | aoeunt: | hi all how can i set my mythfrontend to use ALSA output (gentoo, emerge mythtv with frontendonly) |
| [12:32:09] | aoeunt: | all the instructions i con find tell me its under the setup thing but i cannot find the options |
| [12:36:18] | gbee: | andrewju: what version of mythtv are you using? can't guarantee that it will work, but you might try trunk instead of 0.20.2 |
| [12:36:41] | gbee: | if you are using a version earlier than 0.20.2, then upgrade to that first |
| [12:37:08] | andrewju: | gbee, Library API version : 0.20.20070821–1 |
| [12:37:08] | andrewju: | Source code version : 0.20.2–169.fc6 |
| [12:37:08] | andrewju: | SVN Branch : branches/release-0-20-fixes |
| [12:37:16] | andrewju: | oops... :) |
| [12:37:19] | gbee: | if you haven't already reported the scanning problems with your current version, then do that as well |
| [12:37:47] | GreyFoxx: | Hoxzer: 14911 is what I have for plugins+multirec |
| [12:37:53] | andrewju: | gbee: I just posted to mythtv-users mailinglist. |
| [12:38:32] | justinh: | gbee: which icons? seem to have them all under type/ here |
| [12:38:50] | andrewju: | gbee: do you think that's a Myth problem? I thought it's something special to the satellite I'm trying to watch (Eutelsat W4 36.0E) |
| [12:39:11] | Hoxzer: | k, I'll try once again compile mythtv-plugins after doing distclean if it doesn't work I'll try that revision |
| [12:39:17] | justinh: | andrewju: if scanning in mythtv-setup doesn't work then yes it's a mythtv problem |
| [12:39:30] | justinh: | even if it's something perculiar to only one bird |
| [12:41:28] | Hoxzer: | GreyFoxx: seems like it works with latest revision of mytplugins thx anyway |
| [12:41:44] | andrewju: | justinh: how should I report a problem? |
| [12:42:28] | justinh: | try trunk first, and if that's still not worky, then raise a ticket at svn.mythtv.org |
| [12:42:37] | gbee: | andrewju: the satellite is probably doing something non-standard, but mythtv still needs to workaround such non-compliant broadcasters |
| [12:43:20] | gbee: | it's not so much a bug with mythtv, but still open a ticket |
| [12:43:37] | gbee: | assuming scanning doesn't work with trunk as justinh said |
| [12:47:26] | andrewju: | I used to get updates via atrpms (I'm running Fedora), so I never compiled the trunk version of MythTV... I'll try it now. :) |
| [12:49:06] | justinh: | gbee: looked all over & I can't find where the icons aren't specified as in type/foo.png – they seem to all be there in the type dir too |
| [12:49:34] | justinh: | unless you're using blt-w from a tarball off my site – in which case they're not for svn anyway |
| [12:50:18] | justinh: | that's because if you run a theme with the extra icons on 0.20 they appear regardless & look messy |
| [12:50:52] | justinh: | unless you backported a change to -fixes – but I'm not running 0.20.2 because of minimyth sucking past 0.20–19 |
| [12:53:07] | justinh: | I started installing knoppmyth onto the frontend's normally inactive hdd this morning. got very bored with that. long way to go about ending up with an nfsroot install |
| [12:54:57] | justinh: | still no email from cpu seller on ebay. damnit where's my processor woman?! |
| [12:55:44] | justinh: | starting to get concerned now. when I bought that CPU they only had one. recent feedback for them seems to relate to the same model CPU :( |
| [12:56:09] | justinh: | not worried about my money.. just pissed that I've been waiting for this cpu for almost 2 weeks |
| [12:56:28] | justinh: | can see me giving up & buying new |
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| [12:59:44] | gbee: | justinh: it's the programme guide icons – the A,F,S,W stuff in the programguide folder |
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| [13:00:07] | justinh: | ah |
| [13:00:17] | justinh: | ta! that's why I missed me |
| [13:00:19] | justinh: | *em |
| [13:00:35] | gbee: | justinh: thought I'd backported the visible argument to -fixes, but maybe not |
| [13:01:22] | justinh: | let's have a look at these icons of mine & see if it's worth keeping them |
| [13:01:50] | justinh: | gbee: they're in the theme root so should be used I'd have thought |
| [13:03:10] | gbee: | uses the "default" icons atm instead of yours |
| [13:03:41] | justinh: | doesn't sound right |
| [13:03:53] | gbee: | since the default icons are in the root folder, but yours are in programguide – so the user still gets icons, just not the correct ones |
| [13:04:17] | justinh: | mine aren't in programguide |
| [13:04:24] | justinh: | or if they are, they're also in the theme root |
| [13:05:04] | justinh: | they're not in the programguide dir |
| [13:05:05] | gbee: | huh – just checked and you are right ... |
| [13:05:20] | aoeunt: | hi all i am getting NVP: Disabling Audio, reason is: Error opening audio device from my gentoo frontend, how can i set my audio device |
| [13:05:26] | justinh: | argghh blootube-wide sucks! |
| [13:05:51] | gbee: | that's odd since I originally based my theme on yours and in that they were in programguide folder, which is why I noticed the problem |
| [13:06:01] | justinh: | gbee: epg is using my own icons |
| [13:06:04] | gbee: | anyway, looks like I wasted your time, sorry |
| [13:06:10] | justinh: | gbee: no problem |
| [13:06:26] | justinh: | gbee: what you might've done is overwrite an old dir by unpacking a tarball |
| [13:06:32] | gbee: | must have copied them over to that folder and then forgotten |
| [13:06:39] | gbee: | or that |
| [13:07:06] | gbee: | but you are right, looking at the copy in SVN it's correct |
| [13:07:07] | justinh: | one of the problems with rejigging other themes is that orphaned files end up being left |
| [13:07:19] | justinh: | so it might've been all of the above ;) |
| [13:07:30] | justinh: | well, you made me look anyway :D |
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| [13:11:33] | gbee: | time to get some more watermarks done |
| [13:12:19] | gbee: | the bin icon I spent an hour working on the other day proved to be a waste of time, just couldn't get it right |
| [13:15:55] | justinh: | I like my 'keep britain tidy'-ish icon |
| [13:16:08] | justinh: | easy to do in vector too |
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| [13:26:03] | andrewju: | Umm... Can't install SVN. It says I don't have Lame installed, although I do: libmp3lame0–3.97–16.fc6.at is installed... |
| [13:26:47] | justinh: | andrewju: you need libmp3lame-dev |
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| [13:40:03] | justinh: | anyway gbee only an hour on an icon? ;) |
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| [13:43:53] | andrewju: | justinh: sounds logical... Shame on me! |
| [13:49:30] | justinh: | hey the Apple store do free engraveryfying |
| [13:49:38] | justinh: | that's neat |
| [13:51:21] | andrewju: | sorry to ask... but I have a problem instaling lame-devel: Error: Missing Dependency: libmp3lame0 = 3.97–16.fc6 is needed by package lame-devel |
| [13:51:58] | andrewju: | I don't understand it, since libmp3lame0–3.97–16 is already installed... |
| [13:52:54] | siXy: | rpm -qa libmp3lame0\* |
| [13:52:59] | gbee: | justinh: if I'm on the right track I can usually knock them out in 20–30 minutes, feels like an hour though |
| [13:53:38] | justinh: | andrewju: why do you think I don't use FC ? ;) |
| [13:53:55] | andrewju: | siXy: libmp3lame0–3.97–16.fc6.at |
| [13:54:00] | siXy: | eeep |
| [13:54:03] | siXy: | .at |
| [13:54:04] | justinh: | though I did once have my own slight case of dependency hell on ubunut |
| [13:54:34] | siXy: | thats probably your problem right there |
| [13:54:34] | andrewju: | justinh: ooops... :( |
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| [13:54:50] | andrewju: | siXy: shouldn't I use atrpms ? |
| [13:54:59] | siXy: | set enabled=0 in /etc/yum.repos.d/atrpms.repo |
| [13:55:06] | siXy: | no :) |
| [13:55:20] | siXy: | then remove that pacakage and grab its equivalent from livna, then try again |
| [13:55:44] | andrewju: | but atrpms was the repo to get mythtv from! :) |
| [13:56:00] | siXy: | axel has a psychotic tendancy do destroy systems because he doesnt like everyone else's packaging system |
| [13:56:06] | Andycasss: | How to I make my apache 2 server in ubuntu public?? Right now it only works when i enter the LAN ip |
| [13:56:16] | Andycasss: | Ohh, wrong channel, sorry |
| [13:56:58] | ** justinh suggests dynamic dns & opening a port on the router ** | |
| [13:57:03] | siXy: | andrewju: yes – if you have to use it get the bare minimum from the repo. doing a yum update with atrpms enabled has been known to cause extremely 'interesting' problems |
| [13:57:25] | siXy: | also iptables rules potentially |
| [13:57:57] | justinh: | nobody in their right mind would put a mythbox unguarded on the interwebs |
| [13:58:12] | siXy: | tho surprising amounts do |
| [13:58:16] | justinh: | aye |
| [13:58:23] | siXy: | google search a while back turned up a fair few results |
| [13:58:24] | Andycasss: | Justinh: Ive tried those things already, its like its working under localhost or something... |
| [13:58:36] | justinh: | aye it might be |
| [13:58:48] | justinh: | Andycasss: change the bind-address apache runs on |
| [13:58:52] | siXy: | i was always tempted to go on and randomly change peoples tv schedules :) |
| [13:59:24] | BULLE: | siXy: people having mythweb access enabled for anyone on teh internet ? |
| [13:59:28] | justinh: | might also be the htaccess runes |
| [13:59:34] | justinh: | BULLE: oh yesh! |
| [13:59:36] | siXy: | BULLE: yes |
| [13:59:39] | BULLE: | scary |
| [13:59:42] | justinh: | much fun to be had |
| [13:59:53] | justinh: | though I normally just tried to leave them messages in their logs |
| [13:59:58] | BULLE: | how to explain to your gf/wife why you are recording gay pr0n all the time ? |
| [14:00:05] | siXy: | justinh: you are assuming they read their logs..... |
| [14:00:06] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [14:00:12] | justinh: | siXy: was the best shot I had |
| [14:00:38] | justinh: | interesting to find out they get Coronation Street & Emmerdale in Finland though. no wonder they're so fucking depressed |
| [14:00:53] | siXy: | heh :) |
| [14:00:56] | BULLE: | haha, the part of sweden commonly refered to as finland |
| [14:01:18] | siXy: | BULLE: up for a little conquest? |
| [14:01:24] | justinh: | nevermind the lack of daylight – what about the soaps running in their peaktime tv? ;) |
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| [14:08:21] | andrewju: | siXy, justinh: thanks! I disabled atrpms and was able to install the package. :) Myth's ./configure also worked fine (I think so). |
| [14:09:17] | ** siXy kicks atrpms ** | |
| [14:10:08] | justinh: | heh this is new. stuffed away in a dark corner.. http://www.hettich.org.uk/jerome/MythTV/haze.html |
| [14:11:50] | siXy: | ooooh nice – thanks |
| [14:13:46] | justinh: | I hate when people do that, like all the great howtos in blogs when they _should_ be in the wiki |
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| [14:19:33] | justinh: | something I've been meaning to do for ages, skinning mythweb |
| [14:21:15] | andrewju: | justinh: did you create the blootube theme? |
| [14:22:08] | justinh: | who's asking? |
| [14:22:35] | justinh: | I did, FWIW |
| [14:22:36] | andrewju: | :) just a user... |
| [14:24:07] | andrewju: | I always wanted to say THANKS! :) The theme looks just great! |
| [14:24:19] | justinh: | nothing says 'thanks' more than a mac mini :D |
| [14:24:44] | andrewju: | LOL! :D |
| [14:25:17] | justinh: | one day somebody'll bite :) |
| [14:25:23] | gbee: | on the subject of themes, just a reminder that a preview (unfinished) version of Metallurgy is available – http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html |
| [14:25:30] | justinh: | maybe not in my lifetime though |
| [14:25:56] | gbee: | everyone wants something for nothing :) |
| [14:26:23] | andrewju: | Is there a way I could help to get the mini? :) |
| [14:28:32] | gbee: | anyone want a different colour? Currently offering electric blue, red, green and pink/purple |
| [14:28:48] | gbee: | andrewju: there is a donate button on his site |
| [14:28:49] | justinh: | I was mostly joking about the mac mini but yes there's a donate button on the site |
| [14:29:28] | justinh: | this is one of the reasons I'd prefer there to be no packages of my themes |
| [14:29:49] | justinh: | yes I DO make them for the love of it but... |
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| [14:31:01] | andrewju: | Is this the site? www.mythtvthemes.co.uk |
| [14:31:20] | justinh: | could be |
| [14:32:20] | justinh: | I've figured out what to do with the licensing in future. the xml and everything but the graphics can be GPL. the graphics will be copyrighted & un-redistributable |
| [14:33:06] | andrewju: | justinh: As I was going to press that button ayway, I just wanted to make sure I don't click it on the wrong site... |
| [14:33:54] | andrewju: | anyway, the theme is better than anything I have seen for the Myth! |
| [14:35:20] | siXy: | justinh: ah good plan. saves cheeky buggers nicking them for their companies |
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| [14:36:19] | siXy: | by the way – does glass work against stable, or is it SVN-only? |
| [14:36:58] | gbee: | andrewju: I'll try not to take offence ;) |
| [14:38:39] | gbee: | andrewju: have you looked at glass-wide, it's very good too (also by Justin) |
| [14:38:43] | andrewju: | gbee: oh, let me rephrase it. blootube is the theme that suits my home environment best! That's why I like it so much. ;) |
| [14:39:50] | justinh: | andrewju: that was only cos you'd not seen metallurgy yet but never fear – running svn you join the exclusive club of people who can use it! |
| [14:40:12] | justinh: | siXy: glass isnt for svn. icons will be missing, mytharchive will segfault... |
| [14:40:27] | siXy: | eep |
| [14:40:49] | justinh: | but, if people bother to read the info on the site, it's easy to fix up for svn |
| [14:40:56] | siXy: | not that the SVN box doesnt segfault anyway but still :) |
| [14:42:29] | justinh: | FWIW I can't stand my themes anymore. glass-wide's okay as long as I disable the watermarks |
| [14:42:43] | justinh: | not even 14 days since its release & I'm sick of it already |
| [14:43:57] | justinh: | "it'll do" |
| [14:44:17] | justinh: | the old adage of familiarity breeding contempt |
| [14:44:59] | gbee: | possible delete icon, this one caused me hell and I'm still not too sure about it – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/delete_icon.png |
| [14:45:39] | justinh: | gbee: hmmm.. looks ok but I think it's too detailed |
| [14:45:46] | gbee: | yeah |
| [14:46:06] | justinh: | needs a lid too I think ;) |
| [14:46:31] | andrewju: | justinh: maybe I'm a bit conservative – I prefer not to change the themes so often... :) But I'll have a look at the metllurgy, if 'make' will ever finish whatever it's now doing... |
| [14:47:21] | justinh: | give it a fair crack of the whip. if I was an svn user (and I soon might be if my new CPU ever arrives) I'd be all over it |
| [14:47:41] | justinh: | andrewju: I don't change themes very often – I just tire of how they look & opt to make new ones |
| [14:47:49] | gbee: | justinh: tried a lid, just couldn't get it right |
| [14:48:00] | gbee: | this is a little simpler – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/delete_active.png |
| [14:48:02] | justinh: | I certainly don't see the point in the 'use a random theme' setting |
| [14:48:07] | andrewju: | :) |
| [14:48:49] | justinh: | gbee: better :) but, maybe try with larger recycle arrows |
| [14:49:30] | justinh: | or heck what about just the arrows & no bin? |
| [14:50:31] | justinh: | hmm that might muck up the house style too much |
| [14:51:16] | justinh: | maybe, the bin as before with the detail but without the arrows |
| [14:51:58] | justinh: | this is all coming from the man who hastily hashed up a picture of a partially rubbed out hdd for projectgheyhem |
| [14:52:05] | justinh: | ;) |
| [14:52:50] | siXy: | or the simple bin, with arrows and letter (i like the letter graphic) but make the sies of the bin less vertical. taper them towards the bottom a little |
| [14:52:57] | siXy: | sides* |
| [14:54:01] | justinh: | ugh HOW dark is it now? it's not even 3pm |
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| [14:54:24] | rambo3: | i'dd use mythtv if it wasn |
| [14:54:26] | siXy: | and wet and widny too, just as an added bonus |
| [14:54:33] | rambo3: | t so damn ugly and had chess |
| [14:54:50] | siXy: | rambo3: troll elsewhere... |
| [14:55:23] | justinh: | rambo3: it's a FACT that in all the time since you started coming here whining there's no chess plugin you could have rewritten mythtv yourself |
| [14:55:48] | gbee: | justinh: this was my earlier effort of bin w/ lid – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/delete_active_w_lid.png |
| [14:56:09] | justinh: | gbee: much prefer that one |
| [14:56:10] | rambo3: | justinh, thats true |
| [14:56:14] | siXy: | gbee: thats better – although a pity as i liked the letter |
| [14:56:50] | justinh: | there must be chess games you can play with a joystick that you could run with mythgame |
| [14:57:03] | siXy: | but i would make the arrow thicker and increase the size of the bin detail |
| [14:57:10] | siXy: | to further decrease fussy-ness |
| [14:58:27] | rambo3: | no i've been using mediaportal all this time. it has all that . now i have some spare parts (1.5 P4 pvr-150 ) that i will buid media center. |
| [14:58:56] | justinh: | yay for slow crashy windows pvrs |
| [14:59:11] | rambo3: | crashy? |
| [14:59:18] | justinh: | hard to configure ones too |
| [15:00:30] | justinh: | I've tried mediaportal a couple of times. first time I gave it a fair shot. the UI was unresponsive. looked nice but lacked speed. couldn't work out how to get a tuner to work on it at all. 2nd time I tried it I gave it a 'guy comes along & tries to install mythtv without RTFM' treatment. Oh dear |
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| [15:01:36] | rambo3: | oh you are serious , let me laugh even harder then |
| [15:02:19] | siXy: | rambo3: go ahead. i doubt anyone gives a damn what you think, or what you are doing |
| [15:02:40] | justinh: | !trout rambo3 Mepo |
| [15:02:40] | ** MythLogBot slaps rambo3 with a Mepo trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
| [15:03:09] | rambo3: | Am i only one who thinks Mepo is racist |
| [15:03:18] | justinh: | don't see the trout much these days. got to keep it fresh |
| [15:03:55] | rambo3: | Mepo looks like thos white actors from '30 s who painted their face black |
| [15:04:02] | justinh: | MePo racist? how?! |
| [15:04:28] | rambo3: | http://home.comcast.net/~zdzisekg/tv.png |
| [15:04:47] | justinh: | mammay? |
| [15:05:10] | rambo3: | http://www.mediaportal-skins.net/assets/images/MePo_small.jpeg |
| [15:06:38] | justinh: | I can kind of see how you get that, but I don't think it's intentional |
| [15:07:18] | justinh: | now a theme called KKK, that'd prolly have tinges of racism |
| [15:08:45] | justinh: | maybe Elkin-wide is racist too, cos it's mostly white :-\ |
| [15:10:47] | justinh: | I just think lickle MePo is a bundle of cuteness. the guy who designed him is a talented animator dude |
| [15:11:51] | gbee: | because I've had enough of working on this icon this is where I've settled – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/delete_active_final.png |
| [15:12:19] | justinh: | gbee: does it for me :) |
| [15:12:30] | gbee: | thanks for the input :) |
| [15:12:42] | rambo3: | just remove the gray circle |
| [15:13:37] | ** gbee thinks MythLogBot should offer something stronger than a trout ** | |
| [15:14:16] | justinh: | what?! ofcom have given the go-ahead to commercial radio stations doing less local output.. ffs |
| [15:15:08] | gbee: | inkscape chews a lot of memory, could do with another gig right now |
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| [15:15:40] | rambo3: | is inkscape like fireworks ? |
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| [15:15:59] | justinh: | no |
| [15:16:21] | justinh: | fireworks is something you prolly download via bittorrent |
| [15:16:33] | siXy: | gbee: photoshop is worse :) |
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| [15:17:13] | justinh: | photochop is arse |
| [15:17:16] | gbee: | probably wouldn't be so bad if I didn't have a hundred layers :) |
| [15:17:34] | justinh: | ouch |
| [15:17:51] | justinh: | still, it's better than GIMP for that |
| [15:19:41] | justinh: | oof.. this must be how nominet get ya.. they want £90 to renew my old domain name |
| [15:20:08] | siXy: | £90 for a domain name?? wow... |
| [15:20:23] | justinh: | siXy: nominet are the UK's registrar |
| [15:20:37] | siXy: | it used to be a coulpe of quid for a .co.uk |
| [15:20:41] | siXy: | yeah i know |
| [15:20:41] | justinh: | dunno how much it costs in other parts of the world |
| [15:20:47] | siXy: | i live in the uk |
| [15:20:59] | justinh: | siXy: it can be a couple of quids, but not dealing with nominet directly it aint |
| [15:21:36] | siXy: | oh right.. i think i got mine via one of the middlemen websites |
| [15:21:51] | justinh: | I got that one from 1&1 |
| [15:22:23] | andrewju: | .ru domains cost 20–30 USD. Want one? :) |
| [15:22:36] | justinh: | is mp3.ru free yet? |
| [15:23:03] | ** justinh cracks his knuckles & cackles in an evil manner ** | |
| [15:23:04] | andrewju: | justinh: forget about it! :) All the nice names are already sold. |
| [15:23:40] | rambo3: | how about kremlin.ru |
| [15:23:51] | andrewju: | check here: http://www.nic.ru/en/index.html |
| [15:24:03] | justinh: | I've been looking for somewhere I can legally get CD single downloads for a good price, in non-drm form preferably |
| [15:24:48] | justinh: | DRM's not a problem since I'd just burn them to CDR & rip anyway but it's nice not to have to |
| [15:25:05] | siXy: | justinh: don't itunes do that now? |
| [15:25:33] | justinh: | yeah but they cost more |
| [15:26:03] | justinh: | and if I can help it I'd rather avoid putting the *tender-loving* quacktime on my machine |
| [15:26:22] | GreyFoxx: | I must be unlucky, so fr all my itunes stuff has been m4p files |
| [15:27:14] | justinh: | quicktime wouldn't be a bone of contention if they let you disable the stupid taskbar & background crap it imposes |
| [15:27:40] | justinh: | let iPoo check for updates when it runs, not in the background.. yada yada yada |
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| [15:43:54] | portahex: | GreyFoxx, you can pay to convert your m4p library to aac |
| [15:48:35] | portahex: | for some, not all, labels |
| [15:51:53] | andrewju: | Uhhh... My DVB-S doesn't seem to work any better with the latest SVN of Myth... :-( |
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| [16:48:53] | Hoxzer: | http://pastebin.ca/795949 how normal is that mysql call ? |
| [16:49:16] | cmoates: | Which one |
| [16:49:32] | cmoates: | i.e. which line of your pastebin |
| [16:49:33] | Hoxzer: | MSqlQuery: SELECT chanid, starttime FROM recorded WHERE basename = NULL; |
| [16:49:42] | cmoates: | That's pretty vanilla |
| [16:49:45] | Hoxzer: | Just wondering that error :\ |
| [16:50:04] | Hoxzer: | why would mythtv want to find local path for '' :/ |
| [16:50:21] | Hoxzer: | am I right if I suppose there is something wrong with database ? |
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| [16:50:45] | cmoates: | I'm not an expert, but it would appear that there might be |
| [16:50:52] | cmoates: | I don't think it's anything seriously wrong though |
| [16:51:02] | oobe: | hi does anyone know where i can find a script like imdb.pl but for tv episodes i been looking everywhere |
| [16:51:21] | Hoxzer: | Yeah, a week or two ago all my recordings got deleted so I'm pretty paranoid |
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| [17:01:52] | justinh: | oobe: seen one mentioned on the -users mailing list a while back |
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| [17:04:29] | blackest: | hello how can I get the mythtv backend to retry a few times with a delay between attempts, its basically coming up to fast before the mysql database is ready. |
| [17:05:12] | justinh: | oobe: http://www.jobs-khakis-chicks.com/MythTV/ you lazy arse |
| [17:05:44] | oobe: | lol i been looking all week |
| [17:05:53] | oobe: | thank you |
| [17:06:12] | oobe: | wow i cant believe it |
| [17:06:23] | justinh: | blackest: if you got mythtv from a package go yell at the packaging guy :) |
| [17:06:30] | oobe: | i just found this 3 mins ago via an email arhive |
| [17:06:44] | oobe: | an now you gave me same link |
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| [17:07:05] | justinh: | yeah well I said I'd seen it mentioned on the list, so I had a dig |
| [17:09:59] | oobe: | thanks man |
| [17:12:58] | blackest: | well I think its really down to the fact I have another process starting automatically that uses mysql basically the backend starts decides it cant open the db and quits. if i manually start it the db is ready and there is no issue |
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| [17:13:47] | blackest: | I could really do with say a 30 second delay on starting mythbackend |
| [17:14:05] | justinh: | blackest: maybe put a 'sleep 300' in the init script :P |
| [17:16:34] | blackest: | ok do you know what the init script is called? |
| [17:17:10] | justinh: | /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend on ubunuts |
| [17:17:16] | justinh: | and on debian-ish |
| [17:17:48] | blackest: | i just realised that so just needs a sleep 300 line somewhere |
| [17:18:20] | justinh: | I was kind of kidding, but if you find out how to add a (depends) bit to the init script it should wait for mysql |
| [17:18:35] | justinh: | technically it should already have one by rights IMHO. others I've seen have had it |
| [17:19:52] | blackest: | well i've put it at the start of the script so hopefully after the reboot it will work if not keep digging |
| [17:20:23] | justinh: | you can also muck about with the linking & make the mythbackend init the last run |
| [17:20:50] | justinh: | how you best do that depends on what distro you're on though |
| [17:21:09] | justinh: | on ubunut again it's like update-rc.d or something |
| [17:22:11] | justinh: | update-rc.d mythtv-backend defaults 99 ----that'd make it the very last I _think_ |
| [17:22:13] | blackest: | hmm its refusing to reboot t |
| [17:23:37] | blackest: | its complainin about that command says the startup links already exst |
| [17:24:48] | justinh: | anyway how come mythbackend is trying to run before mysql is up & about? |
| [17:26:21] | anykey_: | Does mythtv support DVB-S2 yet? |
| [17:26:57] | blackest: | good question probably coz I upgraded to gutsy and something went a little wrong |
| [17:26:58] | justinh: | anykey_: nope |
| [17:27:03] | portahex: | does linux support dvb-s2 yet? |
| [17:27:07] | anykey_: | portahex: yes |
| [17:27:12] | justinh: | blackest: #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [17:27:25] | justinh: | officially I don't think the dvb API for s2 is ratified yet |
| [17:27:47] | justinh: | the ink is hardly even dry on the specs for s2 |
| [17:28:34] | justinh: | anyway like I said to somebody the other day, good luck playing h.264 HD in mythtv without some legwork |
| [17:28:59] | justinh: | and if it was you, asking every 2 days ain't gonna make it happen any faster :P |
| [17:29:32] | justinh: | search svn.mythtv.org for the term "dvb-s2 support" and see what you get back |
| [17:29:52] | portahex: | cake! |
| [17:30:03] | portahex: | i expect svn servers to provide me with cake |
| [17:30:44] | anykey_: | justinh: well, does it support dvb-s with a dvb-s2 card? that would be a future-proof solution then ;) |
| [17:31:38] | justinh: | anykey_: no idea. depends what API the driver offers for that |
| [17:32:12] | anykey_: | hm ok |
| [17:32:21] | justinh: | for there to be any input into mythtv regarding dvb-s2, developers need to want (and have hardware for) it |
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| [17:33:19] | justinh: | maybe it'd just work (tm) but I can't say anything that might lead you to believe it's ok & buy a card on that basis. maybe try asking on the users list |
| [17:33:23] | Weezey: | anything new and cool in the mythtv world? |
| [17:33:31] | justinh: | this channel aint the sum-total of all knowledge |
| [17:33:38] | justinh: | Weezey: glass-wide |
| [17:33:49] | Weezey: | if only I had wide screen, I'd be happy |
| [17:33:49] | justinh: | another wide theme called Metallurgy too |
| [17:33:56] | Weezey: | it's a nice theme |
| [17:34:09] | justinh: | you asked what's new & cool. that's it |
| [17:34:20] | Weezey: | dang, that was new and cool last week though. |
| [17:35:06] | justinh: | oh! so the new, new & cool thing in mythtv will be YOUR contribution next then I guess |
| [17:35:17] | BigJ: | http://rafb.net/p/ngDCyu32.html can anyone tell me how I can fix this when I run mythtv-setup |
| [17:35:50] | Weezey: | Hmm, I've got nothing to add, SVN is pretty solid right now. |
| [17:36:24] | justinh: | BigJ: either you've not got QT3 mysql libs installed, or you've not set up the database user properly (or indeed at all) |
| [17:36:32] | blackest: | justinh thank you |
| [17:36:43] | blackest: | your sleep 300 cured it |
| [17:36:53] | BigJ: | justinh, do I need to create a mythv user? |
| [17:37:14] | justinh: | blackest: it's a hack. you should ideally have a 'depends on mysql' line in that init script. go see somebody in #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [17:37:28] | BigJ: | justinh, and I do have qt3 installed because the guide I used says qt4 is not compatible |
| [17:37:58] | justinh: | BigJ: ok then so you need to make sure there's a mysql account called 'mythtv' and that the user you run mythtv as can access it |
| [17:38:05] | justinh: | note I said MYSQL account |
| [17:38:08] | justinh: | not LINUX account |
| [17:38:28] | justinh: | you know.. like the documentations says |
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| [17:38:48] | zamboni: | morninig |
| [17:38:58] | BigJ: | point my to the docs, I am using a distro related guide. |
| [17:39:08] | Hoxzer: | Alright I'm having performance issues with 2,4Ghz CPU 85% idle according to the iostat when two frontends are playing video. Could it be the video card causing the problems ? |
| [17:39:50] | zamboni: | anyone feel like answering an OT question or two...it relates to TV? |
| [17:40:27] | justinh: | zamboni: that's one question already. just ask. don't ask if you can ask. that's annoying |
| [17:41:04] | zamboni: | ok I have a ZAT-600HD set top box anyone heard of them or seen one? |
| [17:41:16] | zamboni: | having trouble with the box |
| [17:41:18] | portahex: | justinh, can i ask you whether i can ask a question? |
| [17:41:24] | zamboni: | lol |
| [17:41:27] | zamboni: | ok |
| [17:41:32] | zamboni: | sorry folks |
| [17:41:48] | zamboni: | the box is hosed |
| [17:41:48] | justinh: | zamboni: what about it? |
| [17:41:53] | zamboni: | the box is hosed |
| [17:42:04] | zamboni: | and Im trying to reset it to factory |
| [17:42:08] | zamboni: | defaultd |
| [17:42:09] | justinh: | is it under warranty? |
| [17:42:22] | zamboni: | not anymore I broke the seal on the screws |
| [17:42:35] | zamboni: | but I hosed it before doing that |
| [17:42:44] | justinh: | you're boned then. buy another |
| [17:42:46] | justinh: | next! |
| [17:42:48] | zamboni: | lol |
| [17:43:08] | zamboni: | but the thing has a jdec/jtag port I can see |
| [17:43:30] | portahex: | this is why i will never buy a set-top box |
| [17:43:32] | zamboni: | and a black button on the board that does not lign up with the pushbottons on the box |
| [17:43:35] | portahex: | bunch o' shite |
| [17:43:39] | zamboni: | aye |
| [17:43:42] | zamboni: | but |
| [17:43:58] | justinh: | zamboni: seriously man. you're boned. maybe the dealer will take it back if you play dumb |
| [17:44:32] | zamboni: | not Ive spoke to him and hes a struggling mom & Pop Operation in Indania |
| [17:44:56] | justinh: | make his day. buy another. they're like what $120 or whatever |
| [17:44:57] | zamboni: | so I dont want to mess with him because Its my fault |
| [17:45:02] | zamboni: | 109 |
| [17:45:12] | zamboni: | yeah hes outta stock |
| [17:45:15] | zamboni: | lol |
| [17:45:16] | justinh: | that's less than what a good night out costs me |
| [17:45:19] | zamboni: | Im boned again |
| [17:45:24] | zamboni: | lol yeah |
| [17:45:40] | zamboni: | but as an explorer....I wonder what cpu is in the box? |
| [17:45:49] | zamboni: | cant see th eheatsink |
| [17:45:55] | zamboni: | is in the way |
| [17:46:21] | zamboni: | anyone have a clue about which cpu lives i n a ZAT-600HD? |
| [17:46:31] | justinh: | probably something like powerpc/mips.. or more than likely a STB on a chip from some hightech startup |
| [17:47:31] | zamboni: | ah well I guess Ill just have to call the us wholesaler and ask them what they know about the Zinwell hardware |
| [17:48:00] | zamboni: | funny a few other folks brand the box as their own and sell it for a whole lot more |
| [17:48:10] | justinh: | dont doubt it for a second |
| [17:48:14] | zamboni: | ie Motorola .... Wingard |
| [17:48:22] | zamboni: | and Holland electronics |
| [17:48:52] | zamboni: | and locally here in Montreal the one retail op that has them flogs them for 350 bucks |
| [17:49:35] | zamboni: | glad I shopped around ...one last question: can anyone suggest another IRC channel where I might get some more help? |
| [17:49:47] | zamboni: | justinh? |
| [17:50:26] | justinh: | thinking out loud, maybe #zinwellstb-repairs :P |
| [17:50:47] | zamboni: | aye lets see.... lol |
| [17:53:24] | zamboni: | well thanks for listening justinh & © inc. |
| [17:53:25] | BigJ: | justinh, should I be using qt4? |
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| [17:53:36] | justinh: | BigJ: non non non non non |
| [17:53:41] | BigJ: | k |
| [18:03:40] | Weezey: | mama mia mama mia mama mia let me go |
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| [18:10:33] | ** justinh will mostly be in the mix tonight ** | |
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| [18:13:51] | dc0de_: | afternoon all. |
| [18:18:14] | BigJ: | justinh, I am logged in as root, how do I create a new user? |
| [18:18:40] | justinh: | if the howto you're following doesn't have that, sack it off |
| [18:19:39] | BigJ: | justinh, I'm reading the mysql, docs right now going through the tutorial haven't seen anything on creating users yet |
| [18:23:04] | justinh: | the difference here is that you need to create a _mysql_ user not a linux user |
| [18:26:24] | BigJ: | justinh, i know |
| [18:26:39] | BigJ: | I am in the mysql shell |
| [18:26:45] | BigJ: | but just don't know how to create the user |
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| [18:28:36] | GreyFoxx: | for mysql? |
| [18:28:40] | GreyFoxx: | for myth I mean |
| [18:28:47] | GreyFoxx: | the mc.sql script will do that |
| [18:28:59] | BigJ: | I originally ran that script |
| [18:29:03] | GreyFoxx: | creates a blank mythconverg db, and the myth user |
| [18:29:14] | GreyFoxx: | user mythtv password mythtv unless you alter the script |
| [18:31:15] | BigJ: | http://rafb.net/p/cWHA9u76.html |
| [18:31:39] | GreyFoxx: | line2 creates the user |
| [18:31:45] | mindframe_: | what's the best remote control to use w/ mythtv? |
| [18:31:50] | GreyFoxx: | err line 4 I mean |
| [18:32:22] | BigJ: | I ran the command as # mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql |
| [18:34:12] | GreyFoxx: | So, are you gettign an error when you try to access mysql as the user from localhost with the password mythtv ? |
| [18:34:17] | BigJ: | k fixed it |
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| [18:34:29] | GreyFoxx: | k |
| [18:34:47] | BigJ: | +------------------+ |
| [18:34:47] | BigJ: | | USER() | |
| [18:34:47] | BigJ: | +------------------+ |
| [18:34:47] | BigJ: | | mythtv@localhost | |
| [18:34:47] | BigJ: | +------------------+ |
| [18:34:48] | BigJ: | 1 row in set (0.00 sec) |
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| [18:35:11] | BigJ: | no I need to stop the backend before runing mythv-setup? |
| [18:35:26] | GreyFoxx: | it really depends on what you are changing |
| [18:35:47] | GreyFoxx: | so we generally recommend people do it to cover all bases and cause it's less support thn explaining what does and doesn't need it stopped first :) |
| [18:36:09] | BigJ: | ok sweet this is the first time it has connected to the database after running the setup |
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| [18:37:05] | mishehu: | bah. lirc is annoying me. |
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| [18:37:36] | BigJ: | is it normal I can't use mouse in the setup? |
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| [18:41:40] | BigJ: | anyone using an xbox as their frontend? |
| [18:47:11] | dc0de_: | nope, using a shuttle with a PVR-500 |
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| [18:49:57] | phaeron: | dc0de_: I am having a problem with PVR-150 .. can't switch inputs from the default one to any other input. |
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| [18:50:21] | dc0de_: | phaeron I'm a noob, so I don't know much more... |
| [18:50:32] | dc0de_: | I'm having issues with the backend not starting automatically. |
| [18:50:57] | phaeron: | if anyone can help , for example if I set Tuner1 as the default input it will always give me static even if there are no TV channels created |
| [18:51:12] | dc0de_: | phaeron check your connections to the input. |
| [18:51:38] | phaeron: | and if I set S-video, it will always show me what is connected to it , and refuse to switch to the TV |
| [18:52:02] | phaeron: | dc0de_: how so |
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| [18:52:56] | dc0de_: | is your tv coax connector connected to the cable feed? |
| [18:53:15] | phaeron: | it's not cable , it is antennae |
| [18:53:18] | dc0de_: | have you created multiple inputs? one for the svideo and one for the tv? |
| [18:53:38] | phaeron: | I created one card "mpeg encoder PVR-150" |
| [18:53:52] | phaeron: | and connected the each input to a video source |
| [18:53:59] | phaeron: | Tuner-1 — V |
| [18:54:01] | phaeron: | TV |
| [18:54:07] | phaeron: | S-video 1 – S video |
| [18:54:15] | phaeron: | Composite 1 — Composite |
| [18:54:25] | phaeron: | right ? |
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| [18:55:06] | larzen: | anyone here have a gentoo with a pvr500 card? |
| [18:55:24] | dc0de_: | larzen I'm using ubuntu 7.10 with pvr500 |
| [18:55:47] | larzen: | I am getting an error... Unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341-e nc.fw (must 376836 bytes) |
| [18:55:51] | larzen: | when I boot |
| [18:56:11] | larzen: | Did you put thre firmware in the hotplug firmware directory? |
| [18:56:34] | larzen: | i have the firmware in /lib/firmware |
| [18:56:41] | larzen: | not sure if v4l finds it. |
| [18:56:46] | dc0de_: | did you extract all of the files in the drivers to /lib/modules directory? |
| [18:57:11] | larzen: | dc0de_ – they live in /lib/firmware ... should I copy them to /lib/modules? |
| [18:57:13] | dc0de_: | larzen they go in /lib/modules |
| [18:57:28] | dc0de_: | according to one of my uber-geek friends |
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| [18:57:56] | larzen: | dc0de_ — seeing how I dont run hotplug... and that I cant "configure" the dir, I'd agree. |
| [18:58:01] | dc0de_: | how do you exit out of the front end? |
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| [18:59:20] | dc0de_: | ^F |
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| [19:00:07] | dc0de_: | whee, that was fun |
| [19:00:26] | dc0de_: | can anyone tell me the secret to getting out of the front end? |
| [19:01:19] | larzen: | dc0de_ nope, that didnt work |
| [19:01:21] | AndyCap: | escape or left key? |
| [19:01:46] | dc0de_: | nope, not working |
| [19:02:07] | AndyCap: | dc0de_: well, both work fine here. |
| [19:02:20] | AndyCap: | are you running a windowmanager? |
| [19:02:38] | dc0de_: | gnome |
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| [19:03:13] | dc0de_: | although, compviz may be loaded... |
| [19:03:21] | dc0de_: | I'll have to check when it's done rebooting. |
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| [19:08:08] | lucidblue: | Hey guys, all is working great now with myth, and I did get the remote working, I had to load the lirc_i2c driver and now it works awesome... but |
| [19:08:12] | Weezey: | Esc |
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| [19:09:40] | dc0de_: | larzen in your backend setup, did you create a separate input connection for your tv/antenna and your s-video? |
| [19:09:42] | lucidblue: | only thing left to do is get X to use the tv-out on the pvr-350 instead of my video card... I know how to setup the xorg.conf for busid and such, but everything I'm reading is saying to find out the fbX it is, but when I cat /proc/fb, there is no output — is it needed? |
| [19:10:04] | larzen: | dc0de_ I dont follow? |
| [19:10:06] | justinh_: | somebody PLEASE stop recommending people get pvr350 cards |
| [19:10:29] | dc0de_: | justinh_ what's wrong with a 350? |
| [19:11:01] | justinh_: | what, you mean apart from the fact that nvidia card tv outputs are now up to par with them? and the fact that they're no use for anything but SDTV mpeg2 ? |
| [19:11:27] | justinh_: | and the fact they don't have digital audio outputs? |
| [19:11:35] | dc0de_: | No, I mean I'm a noob and want to know what's wrong with that. |
| [19:11:38] | cesman: | lucidblue: should have used KnoppMyth, it will setup the TV out for you ;) |
| [19:11:59] | justinh_: | and the fact there's no opengl support, so when mythtv gets more bling in the UI your card will suck at it |
| [19:12:04] | lucidblue: | cesman: :) thanks, not a really helpful suggestion tho |
| [19:12:18] | dc0de_: | larzen go into your mythbackend setup |
| [19:12:40] | cesman: | lucidblue: after you modprobe ivtvfb |
| [19:13:01] | cesman: | lucidblue: then cat /proc/fb for the fbX |
| [19:13:16] | justinh_: | but cesman is right. you should always use a ready made mythtv distro if you can't be fussed with all the fussing about |
| [19:13:21] | lucidblue: | justinh_: the card was given to me, so I love it, it works great, but I'd like the composite out — also, I have 13 channel basic cable, I'm not worried about sdtv |
| [19:13:32] | justinh_: | lucidblue: that IS sdtv |
| [19:13:32] | lucidblue: | cesman: I get it, that makes sense! I'll give it a go |
| [19:13:40] | lucidblue: | I know |
| [19:14:02] | larzen: | dc0de_ I dont have myth installed yet |
| [19:14:04] | cesman: | lucidblue: while the 350 is a great card, with excellent TV out... |
| [19:14:06] | larzen: | this is just drivers |
| [19:14:12] | justinh_: | they're prolly more pain than they're worth now |
| [19:14:17] | cesman: | lucidblue: I'd only recommend it if you have a slow processor |
| [19:14:49] | justinh_: | I wouldn't recommend it at all. if you have a slow cpu, forget about it & get a new cpu |
| [19:14:57] | cesman: | lucidblue: the ivtv folks have done an excellent job over the years and the 350 TV out has come a LONG way, but it isn't a video card |
| [19:15:10] | lucidblue: | I kind of do, 2.4 i think, but I'm already wanting another tuner card to use with it.. so I can watch while recording |
| [19:15:19] | justinh_: | the slowest thing you can buy nowadays is way enough to play back standard def. tv |
| [19:15:20] | cesman: | 2.4 what? |
| [19:15:42] | cesman: | 2.4 GHz is plenty fast |
| [19:15:51] | lucidblue: | cesman: so are you saying that the composite out on the card wouldn't be as good as the svideo out on my nvidia ti 4200? |
| [19:16:17] | justinh_: | lucidblue: saying they're about on a par |
| [19:16:22] | lucidblue: | cesman: yup... modprobe didn't find the driver, I did a urpmf for the ivtvfb, but that didn't ... hold on |
| [19:16:29] | justinh_: | oh wait.. ti 4200? eew |
| [19:16:49] | lucidblue: | justinh_: okay, then I'll move on with it, I don't want tohave to run the audio through the stereo |
| [19:16:52] | justinh_: | the tv encoders on nvidia cards below GF4 sucked ass |
| [19:17:28] | justinh_: | these days they're pretty sweet – about the same Q as a decent standalone DVD player |
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| [19:18:07] | lucidblue: | justinh_: you're telling me! this card even has an issue with the new driver, the tv-out won't work at the same time... 8776 work fine, but won't compile with the newer kernel.. |
| [19:18:24] | justinh_: | you don't compile the nvidia drivers |
| [19:18:28] | cesman: | lucidblue: that isn't what I'm stating at all |
| [19:18:35] | gbee: | updated preview released, hopefully fixes a bug and includes a few more watermarks – http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html#Download |
| [19:18:57] | justinh_: | gbee: wow. mythtv's hardest working theme designer! |
| [19:19:09] | justinh_: | er.. that sounded patronising. sorry :) |
| [19:19:35] | phaeron: | anyone know the issue with pvr-150 and why it refuses to set any input except the default one ? |
| [19:19:37] | justinh_: | didn't mean it to |
| [19:19:37] | cesman: | gbee: what is a "watermark" in a theme? |
| [19:19:46] | justinh_: | cesman: images associated with buttons |
| [19:20:06] | cesman: | lucidblue: sorry, couldn't tell about Fedora and the module |
| [19:20:09] | justinh_: | phaeron: yes, user error. you've not made a videosource and associated it with the other input(s) |
| [19:20:11] | cesman: | justinh_: thanks |
| [19:20:33] | ** cesman steps away for a few ** | |
| [19:20:38] | justinh_: | and remember.. video sources (bleugh) need channels too! |
| [19:21:02] | phaeron: | justinh_: I have Tuner1 — TV and S-Video 1 — SV1 — channel 1 |
| [19:21:46] | phaeron: | if I set Tuner 1 as default it will always use it even if there are no channels |
| [19:22:21] | justinh_: | phaeron: setting up another video input is exactly the same as the first one |
| [19:22:31] | justinh_: | you switch between sources with C |
| [19:23:01] | justinh_: | I hope you're not planning to use that as an input for your games console/whatever |
| [19:23:16] | phaeron: | justinh_: well I know, it works with lifeview perfectly , switching sources and all. |
| [19:23:25] | justinh_: | because it'll work but.. well you try playing a game with it :P |
| [19:23:52] | lucidblue: | cesman: okay, I found a README.ivtvfb in the docs for ivtv-0.10 — I'll see what that says.. |
| [19:24:10] | justinh_: | time to take the dog for a walk |
| [19:24:11] | phaeron: | justinh_ : yeah it lags |
| [19:26:25] | mcf3782: | I am trying to play a DVD on my mythtv box (knoppyth installation). When I select "play DVD" from the menu, the screen clears, and a message box appears for about half a second. It appears to be an error message of some sort; but it's not on screen long enough for me to read it. Can anyone suggest how I can track down what it's trying to tell me? |
| [19:29:37] | mcf3782: | boy, I sure know how to make a channel go quiet don't I? :) |
| [19:30:11] | larzen: | ok problem fixed |
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| [19:35:01] | borga2: | Hi, I'm using mythbuntu (latest) with a backen/frontend and secondary backend/frontend config. I've migrated data from a previos myth installment. |
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| [19:35:28] | borga2: | Now I'm only able to watch previous recordings on the primary backend/frontend |
| [19:35:54] | borga2: | On the secondary backend/frontend the playback just quits. |
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| [19:42:58] | gbee: | cesman: watermarks are the images display when a menu item is selected, although I used the term, technically my theme doesn't use watermarks but icons instead, it's just that more people understand what I mean by watermark in the context |
| [19:44:12] | gbee: | justinh_: didn't take it the wrong way, although I left the room before you said anything so I ended up reading your apology first ;) |
| [19:44:25] | gbee: | I'm off to watch a film now |
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| [19:58:19] | justinh_: | god no wonder I lost half a stone since we got Rory |
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| [20:01:06] | XLV: | it doesnt have much to do with mythtv, this question, but with general htpc setp, and some of you may know.. i have installed the htpc, deck hdd dvdrw, sat and iptv receiver.. i have noticed though great EMI in htpc and dvdrw, and less in sat and iptv.. when i remove the antenna cables from tv, htpc and dvdrw, emi disappears. so i believe its the antenna setup. its one for the whole appartment bulding, with an amp, i can tell cause if you touch the ante |
| [20:01:06] | XLV: | nna cable, you get a light shock. are there any solution to this, some way to insulate the setup, maybe shielded antenna cables? apart ofcourse from installing a separate antenna for my appartment, which isnt out of the question, since a sat dish install is in the works... |
| [20:02:41] | XLV: | tv is a 29" crt, and htpc is connected to one of its scart connectors through svideo, all the other devices on the other scart through a scart switch box |
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| [20:03:52] | BULLE: | XLV: you basicly have earthing issues |
| [20:04:11] | BULLE: | XLV: so you are getting a constans current floating between antenna and poweroutlets, and that is not good |
| [20:04:50] | BULLE: | XLV: the simple solution is just to buy a simple ground separator thingy, its like a small plug you insert between the antenna outlet and the cable, costs like 10 usd or something like that, and should be available from your local radio/tv store |
| [20:04:55] | BULLE: | hmm |
| [20:05:01] | BULLE: | earthing, i guess the engrish name is ground |
| [20:05:05] | BULLE: | grounding |
| [20:05:06] | BULLE: | whatever |
| [20:06:11] | rambo3: | take a fork , plug the htcp and put the for into the power outlet |
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| [20:07:34] | XLV: | BULLE, can you find some link of such a device? some googleing for ground separation antenna device didnt come up with anything |
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| [20:08:31] | XLV: | just to have some idea of what to search for locally |
| [20:08:32] | rambo3: | ground antena connector |
| [20:08:38] | BULLE: | XLV: dunno, i live in northern europe, i dont even know what they are called in english =D |
| [20:08:49] | BULLE: | i just know what they are, and that they are easy to get hold of here |
| [20:09:09] | BULLE: | have been since ground breakers became mandatory in all new houses ( if now groundbreaker is the correct term ) |
| [20:09:40] | XLV: | BULLE, i live in southern europe, and i dont know the english term either, but even a link in some local shop where you live would be helpful |
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| [20:11:12] | XLV: | nv.. i got something.. ground breaker seems to be the term, or dc blockers |
| [20:11:19] | XLV: | nm that is |
| [20:11:53] | rambo3: | i dont know if its this http://www.panamax-sales.com/m8c-pro.htm |
| [20:12:46] | XLV: | well i got this http://www.hometech.com/video/atten.html last product on page |
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| [20:15:23] | rambo3: | http://images.google.se/images?q=ground+tv+ca . . . =1&hl=sv |
| [20:17:15] | BULLE: | ye, you have a few on the pictures that rambo3 pasted |
| [20:17:21] | BULLE: | pitcture no 3 for example |
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| [20:38:11] | borga2: | mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding |
| [20:38:22] | borga2: | Creating link /home/bbx/.kde/socket-myth-front. |
| [20:38:22] | borga2: | can't create mcop directory |
| [20:38:27] | borga2: | Anyone?! |
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| [20:46:21] | Hoxzer: | :) Hmmm seems like my dual headed mythtv setup work pretty fine |
| [20:46:35] | Hoxzer: | littlebit performance issues but I think I'll get em fixed in no time |
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| [20:49:21] | AngryElf: | hey, i got my HD3000 card tuning channels correctly — so I'm trying to add it into myth, which means first I need to create a schedules direct lineup for it — how do I do that? |
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| [20:51:04] | iamlindoro: | go to schedulesdirect.org and create a login... it's pretty self explanatory |
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| [21:29:11] | Noble: | why does the text look crisper on TV out when i'm using vesa 640x480... it looks crisper using vesa than when i'm using the nvidia driver... no matter what i set the overscan to |
| [21:30:16] | Noble: | the nvidia driver tv out seems to skip horizontal lines no matter what i set it to... geforce mx440 |
| [21:32:03] | Noble: | is this channel moderated? |
| [21:34:39] | Dr_willis: | nope |
| [21:34:41] | Dr_willis: | :)\ |
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| [21:34:55] | Noble: | holy crap, its usually kindof chatty in here |
| [21:35:26] | Noble: | so, anyone have any advice for getting a great tv out image using nvidia hardware? |
| [21:36:29] | Dr_willis: | i cant say that ive noticed any problems.. could be an issue with that video card. it is a bit old. |
| [21:36:47] | Dr_willis: | i have several nvidia cards. 5500 6800 8800. |
| [21:37:50] | rambo3: | did anyone port xface skin from mediaportal |
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| [21:42:11] | justinh: | does the themes page at mythtv.org/wiki/ look like anybody did? |
| [21:43:04] | justinh: | the MP guys are pretty snotty about allowing their UI graphics to be used for linuxy programs anyway. they get umm.. pretty nasty about it, some of them actually |
| [21:44:00] | portahex: | the mediaportal team are staunchly anti-linux |
| [21:44:07] | justinh: | that said, I'd only allow my themes to be ported to other PVR projects over my dead body |
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| [21:59:00] | AngryElf: | I'm attempting to set up my HD3000 card to tune to ATSC/QAM channels — I've created a channels.conf file that I can use with azap to tune to the channels, and I get the FE_LOCK — I can't get it imported into myth though |
| [21:59:29] | AngryElf: | in mythtv-setup I point it to the file location and a) it only scans about 4 channels when there are about 10–15 and b) it gets no signal on those 4 channels... |
| [21:59:43] | AngryElf: | has anyone gotten a pcHD card working with QAM? |
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| [22:00:14] | portahex: | don't import channels.conf |
| [22:00:21] | portahex: | it misses things needed for digital tv |
| [22:00:32] | AngryElf: | well I tried scanning it too, and that failed |
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| [22:01:52] | AngryElf: | hmm, interesting /dev/dvb/adaper0/dvr0 is gone, but /dev/video3 is there, and my card still shows up under lspci |
| [22:03:24] | justinh: | ah good ole udev mixumification |
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| [22:10:37] | AngryElf: | justinh: hmmm? |
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| [22:12:06] | justinh: | AngryElf: rebooted between times? if so & the device has moved, that'd be udev enumerating devices in a different order |
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| [22:13:12] | hadees: | anyone do any radio time shifting? i'm looking for programs. |
| [22:13:35] | justinh: | hadees: me, thanks to mythtv & dvb-t radio |
| [22:13:44] | justinh: | =D |
| [22:13:53] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... looks like I might have a (free) solution to my aging 69cm TV's |
| [22:14:09] | justinh: | right time to watch some Heroes. I need a nap anyway |
| [22:14:28] | hadees: | justdave, really? |
| [22:14:34] | hadees: | justdave, how do i do that? |
| [22:14:46] | AngryElf: | justinh: I added a video card, that's the only change I've made sinec /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 disappeared, and /dev/video3 has appeared |
| [22:14:55] | hadees: | doh justinh |
| [22:15:00] | mzb_d800: | I've been offered a 5yo Sony rear-projection screen with what sounds like overheating problems ... he reckons the screen is about 4' across ... anyone familiar with these things? |
| [22:15:03] | AngryElf: | wouldn't the pcHDTV card still create the /dev/dvb... device? |
| [22:15:10] | hadees: | justinh, how do you do it with mythtv? |
| [22:15:21] | BULLE: | mzb_d800: 5 year old, so its crt based ? |
| [22:15:28] | BULLE: | mzb_d800: or is it an lcd projector based thing ? |
| [22:15:54] | mzb_d800: | not sure ... he said he bought it just before the 2004 Olympics, and that it was au$6000 |
| [22:16:08] | mzb_d800: | I've not seen it yet ... hoping to pick it up today |
| [22:16:19] | BULLE: | well, guess you can always open it up, blow away all the dust, replace fans etc |
| [22:16:22] | BULLE: | and see what happens |
| [22:16:39] | mzb_d800: | yep ... at worst I can use it in the garage ;) |
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| [22:17:03] | mzb_d800: | I suspect it will be too big for the lounge :| |
| [22:17:29] | BULLE: | how big is 4' in SI units ? |
| [22:18:57] | mzb_d800: | 120cm |
| [22:19:16] | mzb_d800: | so I'm guessing it's a 140–152cm unit |
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| [22:20:02] | mzb_d800: | were these things all widescreen? |
| [22:20:14] | BULLE: | good question |
| [22:20:19] | squidly_: | cmoates_: I think I found the underlying issue. It was head. but not heat related to the pvr-150 |
| [22:20:34] | mzb_d800: | this sounds like the description he gave me:: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/140cm-Sony-rear-Projec . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [22:20:35] | squidly_: | it was heat related to the chipset :D |
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| [22:21:03] | Mayber: | how do I set default video scan settings? mine keeps changing to some ugly interlaced mode instead of being in progressive. |
| [22:21:59] | mzb_d800: | or possibly: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SONY-REAR-PROJECTION-T . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [22:22:17] | iamlindoro: | If anyone's in the San Francisco area and wants a free HTPC case, I'm about to toss my old one out. It's very nice, just don't need it. |
| [22:22:29] | iamlindoro: | bsdfox, I'm lookin at you ;) |
| [22:22:37] | iamlindoro: | Ah, he's not here |
| [22:22:54] | Mayber: | what does it look like? |
| [22:23:09] | iamlindoro: | Hang on, I'll dig up a link |
| [22:23:30] | Mayber: | will it match my shag green carpet and orange drapes? |
| [22:24:04] | iamlindoro: | Haha, It's thin, in silver: http://www.eaglebit.com/photos/EB-440-00032-2T.jpg |
| [22:24:13] | iamlindoro: | ION EC 1 |
| [22:24:45] | iamlindoro: | er not thin, this |
| [22:25:57] | Mayber: | i'd say it's not thin. |
| [22:25:59] | Mayber: | :b |
| [22:26:38] | iamlindoro: | Hey, wtf do you want? It's fucking FREE |
| [22:26:52] | Mayber: | will you ship it to me? :) |
| [22:27:03] | iamlindoro: | No, you apparently don't like fat chicks |
| [22:28:26] | jams: | whate the heck is that blue thing on the front |
| [22:28:34] | iamlindoro: | VFD/IR |
| [22:28:39] | Mayber: | it's the gem stone that makes it work. |
| [22:28:47] | jams: | does it work |
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| [22:28:54] | iamlindoro: | Yes, it works |
| [22:29:13] | mzb_d800: | heh ... 14hrs and 149MB left for the month ... makes for an interesting day ;) |
| [22:29:55] | jams: | oh i see it displays fan speed/temp/time/date |
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| [22:30:27] | iamlindoro: | yeah, in addition to a basic 2 line VFD |
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| [22:31:29] | iamlindoro: | Blue backlight was VERY bright, not good for the bedroom it lived in, so it got replaced |
| [22:31:40] | iamlindoro: | Probably fine for a living room, though |
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| [22:33:56] | iamlindoro: | Heck, if anyone wants to come get it they can even have the pentium D/Mobo/2 GB Ram that lived in it... mobo is fried, though |
| [22:36:07] | jams: | ah well i don't live in the area |
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| [22:36:36] | iamlindoro: | ah well, guess it's the rubbish for it then... will try offering again later just in case |
| [22:38:45] | mzb_d800: | BULLE: from the description I'm reading of rear-projection tv's I'm guessing it would be a CRT projector (from size alone) |
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| [22:42:16] | mzb_d800: | (He said the unit was quite deep) |
| [22:42:26] | mzb_d800: | (50cm?) |
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| [22:43:24] | mzb_d800: | I doubt it would be a Bravia HDTV if it's ~4yo(?) |
| [22:43:37] | AngryElf: | on yht mythwiki for pcHDTV 3000 it says to choose "DVB" as the card type — that type doesn't exist, the next best is DTV, but when I choose that and scan for channels it doesn't detect anything.... any ideas? |
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| [22:44:01] | iamlindoro: | angryelf, it is definitely dvb card type |
| [22:44:09] | iamlindoro: | did you compile without --enable-dvb? |
| [22:44:16] | AngryElf: | iamlindoro: that's not an option to choose from |
| [22:44:20] | AngryElf: | oh...maybe not |
| [22:44:30] | AngryElf: | actually, definitely not |
| [22:44:34] | iamlindoro: | Angryelf, then your install wasn't compiled with -enable-dvb |
| [22:44:34] | AngryElf: | i guess i'll go do that |
| [22:44:49] | iamlindoro: | ah-yup |
| [22:47:31] | AngryElf: | iamlindoro: it suggests enabling proc-opt also, but only if i'm watching — if this is a backend box i can ignore that yes? |
| [22:47:37] | AngryElf: | *watch HDTV |
| [22:47:57] | iamlindoro: | Your choice-- I enable proc-opts on all my boxes, but they're all frontends too |
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| [22:56:23] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... yeah I was hoping to get some advice re: rear projection as I have to pull a couple of favours just to get this one (it's a fairly long drive, and it might not fit in our car) |
| [22:57:56] | mzb_d800: | I'm assuming from size that this one is CRT |
| [22:58:20] | mzb_d800: | does anyone actually use something like this? what sort of res do they handle? etc |
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| [23:03:50] | iamlindoro: | The only RP I've ever worked with was 720x480 only |
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| [23:07:19] | mzb_d800: | k, I'm starting to suspect this will be PAL std ... which is a shame for such a large screen |
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| [23:09:30] | iamlindoro: | I think RP's were sort of starting to go out of vogue as HD was just becoming a big deal, so it's probably a pretty good liklihood |
| [23:11:37] | iamlindoro: | If anyone wants ffmpeg and mplayer .debs patched to play blu-ray and HD-DVD content, I put them up here... granted, this will only do good for people with those drives who are ripping their own content, but hey, I figured I'd share just in case: http://idisk.mac.com/r.mcnamara-Public?view=web |
| [23:12:07] | iamlindoro: | caveat: can't play the content off the drives, have to rip it first and I won't help with that :) |
| [23:12:42] | iamlindoro: | to be more specific, these are patched to play E-AC3, MLP and TrueHD audio tracks |
| [23:14:01] | mzb_d800: | iamlindoro: yep, I think you're right ... still, if I can get it to work it should be better than the 69cm beasts (even if it's only used in the garage) |
| [23:14:15] | mzb_d800: | (I'm yet to have an "entertainment" room;) |
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| [23:14:34] | iamlindoro: | Heh, if the price is right, a big screen is never a bad thing :) |
| [23:18:00] | mzb_d800: | price = free |
| [23:19:01] | mzb_d800: | he says that it might go for a week, and then turn itself off ... or you might sit there for 30mins turning it on until it stays on |
| [23:19:14] | mzb_d800: | apparently has had the problem since new |
| [23:19:48] | iamlindoro: | Weird |
| [23:19:50] | mzb_d800: | and the technicians that worked on it couldn't find the problem (it was apparently in service for a week) |
| [23:19:59] | mzb_d800: | so I'm hoping it's heat-related |
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| [23:20:24] | AngryElf: | iamlindoro: okay, DVB is enabled and installed — when I select DVR DTV — it says failed to open subtype #(1–7) :( |
| [23:20:28] | mzb_d800: | I *might* be able to get Dad to look at it ... never know |
| [23:20:41] | AngryElf: | why isn't the card type DTV?, which explicitly says pcHDTV 3000, which is the card i'm using |
| [23:20:51] | mzb_d800: | (he's getting harder to bribe|motivate as he approaches 70;) |
| [23:21:00] | iamlindoro: | angryelf, then either your card isn't set up properly, or something else is using it |
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| [23:21:29] | gbee: | I rushed out the second preview release and in the process introduce a few problems, so here is the third preview version, again but reports encouraged — http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html#Download |
| [23:22:33] | iamlindoro: | gbee, can you confirm you need SVN from the last few days for the OSD to work properly? |
| [23:22:35] | gbee: | but == bug |
| [23:22:56] | gbee: | iamlindoro: yeah you need at least [14933] |
| [23:23:06] | iamlindoro: | gotcha, I think I'm at 14900ish |
| [23:23:29] | iamlindoro: | will do an update tonight and have a look at that part. |
| [23:23:35] | justinh: | ffs this andy cato remix of Mark Ronson ft Amy Winehouse is er.. _mother_ _loving_ _niiiiiiiiiiiice_ |
| [23:24:43] | gbee: | OSDs pretty much in it's finished state, but the rest of the theme, especially the icons are not, I've already decided I don't like two of them and they are getting replaced |
| [23:25:58] | iamlindoro: | justinh: too bad Amy Winehouse is a f'in *train wreck* |
| [23:27:00] | justinh: | iamlindoro: yeah but the remix is raaaather good |
| [23:27:12] | justinh: | dubby, much like Hard Drive – Deep Inside |
| [23:27:14] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [23:27:38] | AngryElf: | iamlindoro: is the pcHDTV supposed to be at /dev/videoX or /dev/dvr/adapter0/dvr0 ? |
| [23:27:39] | iamlindoro: | I keep catching youtube clips of her murmuring her way through sets and then doing lines of coke onstage |
| [23:27:46] | justinh: | iamlindoro: top lass :D |
| [23:27:54] | iamlindoro: | angryelf, should be a dvb device |
| [23:28:03] | iamlindoro: | well, if it has an analog side it may be both |
| [23:28:40] | AngryElf: | the /dev/dvr was around, but is since gone — no idea why :/ |
| [23:28:56] | jams: | AngryElf- probably cause the v4l driver loaded first |
| [23:29:02] | justinh: | if I get a free few hours before the year's out I should treat my car door panels. this tune is gonna wreck them |
| [23:29:08] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, you've now got a myth build that will work properly, but you need to straighten out the driver side |
| [23:29:39] | AngryElf: | jams: what could I have done to make the v4l drivers load first, i wasn't even looking at any of that |
| [23:30:03] | iamlindoro: | angryelf, may need to blacklist the analog module |
| [23:30:43] | iamlindoro: | Then, depending on your setup, the DVB module may load itself automagically |
| [23:30:51] | justinh: | blacklisting is easier than editing udev rules |
| [23:31:15] | iamlindoro: | upon reboot, of course. |
| [23:31:43] | AngryElf: | lsmod |grep v4 only shows v4l2_common and c4l1_compat both of which ivtv is dependant upon |
| [23:32:02] | AngryElf: | and I need ivtv around for my hauppauge cards |
| [23:32:07] | iamlindoro: | angryelf, probably doesn't have v4 in the module name |
| [23:32:13] | nuonguy: | I'm having alsa problems: speaker-test -c 6 -D surround51 -l 1 -t wav plays on only one speaker |
| [23:32:24] | iamlindoro: | for example, the kworld cards are saa7134 and saa7134-dvb |
| [23:32:41] | iamlindoro: | dunno what the modules are for the 3000, though |
| [23:32:56] | nuonguy: | anyone else using snd_intel8x0 ? |
| [23:33:24] | iamlindoro: | angryelf, you've gone through this? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PcHDTV_HD-3000 |
| [23:34:10] | AngryElf: | i didn't compile any drivers because /dev/dvb... was there |
| [23:34:10] | iamlindoro: | looks like your modules are cx88 |
| [23:34:22] | iamlindoro: | so dmesg |grep cx88 |
| [23:34:22] | AngryElf: | yea, cx88* stuffs are loaded up |
| [23:34:33] | iamlindoro: | Both analog *and* dvb? |
| [23:34:42] | iamlindoro: | cx88-dvb |
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| [23:35:52] | AngryElf: | ok, need to blacklist cx8800 |
| [23:36:04] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [23:36:39] | AngryElf: | brb |
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| [23:37:30] | iamlindoro: | well, actually I think it's cx88 and cx88_blackbird, but you're the one with the card |
| [23:37:41] | AngryElf: | those are the ones I need? |
| [23:37:49] | AngryElf: | when i loaded cx88-dvb /dev/dvr... came back |
| [23:37:50] | iamlindoro: | no, the ones to blacklist, cx88-dvb is the one you need |
| [23:38:51] | AngryElf: | rebooting.. |
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| [23:46:01] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... not heat related methinks ... more likely to be weird cathod current related ... *sigh* |
| [23:46:50] | AngryElf: | iamlindoro: okay, so when I select dvr dtv option for my card, what do I want for the device driver? /dev/dvr/adapter0/dvr0 ? |
| [23:47:09] | iamlindoro: | *not* DTV, DVB |
| [23:47:19] | iamlindoro: | And leave it default, should just be card id: 0 |
| [23:49:17] | mzb_d800: | anyway, onto this morning's project: I've got hold of a pack of dvd-r's to see if I can fix a problem with mytharchive => missing language settings in dvdauthor.xml mean that dvds won't play on older|some sets |
| [23:49:29] | mzb_d800: | is anyone aware of this problem? |
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| [23:53:24] | mzb: | I came across this issue while writing dvd-baker, so I'm fairly sure that I've got a few suggestions|improvements to make |
| [23:53:36] | mzb: | I'll have a fiddle and see what I can find out |
| [23:54:56] | iamlindoro: | Heh, good thing DVD-Rs have gotten so cheap |
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| [23:59:41] | mzb: | au$23 for 50pk is ok |
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