Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, November 22nd, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Dabian:

I guess I have to change it using the gui, unless I like to fiddle with mysql tables?

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tzanger:

it's not in a file, it's a frontend setting

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tzanger:

I could be wrong though

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Dabian:

OK

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Dabian:

I guess I need to explore the GUI a bit then ..

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justinh:

wouldn't advise manually hacking the db unless you _really_ know what you're doing

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justinh:

and even then be careful!

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Dabian:

justinh: Right

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Dabian:

tzanger : THanks, I think I found it in the GUI :)

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rc22:

hello all. well despite everyones advice and my own better judgment, i continued to try to get my via PM800 chip to decode HDTV. i guess i felt like the computer won. anyway enough about my emotional problems. i did get one problem solved.

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rc22:

i was able to stop the display from getting scrambled by running the frontend in a window and changing the windoe height to 748 pixels high.

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rc22:

however the playback is still slow. i have posted my frontend, backend, and xorg logs here: http://pastebin.com/m2ba4ddc0 in case anyone cares to look at them.

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rc22:

any help would be greatly appreciated

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Pogonip_new_:

Can someone help me figure out why my change_channel.sh script won't run from mythtv.

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Pogonip_new_:

I can run the script from the console, but it won't run from myth

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rc22:

what do you mean it won't run from myth?

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Anduin:

Pogonip_new_: running it as the same user?

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Pogonip_new_:

Anduin; I added it to the mythtv group. Would that work?

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Anduin:

Pogonip_new_: Maybe, but there is no reason not to try it as the same user mythbackend runs as

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Pogonip_new_:

rc22; in the general setup you can add a link to a script that sends commands to the IR Blaster

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Pogonip_new_:

Anduin; I agree, how can I try to run it as the mythbackend?

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Anduin:

Pogonip_new_: sudo, su, or just login as that user

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Pogonip_new_:

Anduin; It works as sudo

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Anduin:

Pogonip_new_: and ps -ef | grep mythbackend show that it is running as root?

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Pogonip_new_:

Anduin; Looks like it's running under mythtv

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Anduin:

Pogonip_new_: Ok, so sudo -u mythtv yourscript works?

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Pogonip_new_:

Anduin; OK that seems to work.

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Anduin:

Pogonip_new_: Hmm, should be working then, I'd throw a simple "is it running" script in there to make sure MythTV is trying to use it.

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Pogonip_new_:

Anduin; Sorry to bother you with this. but how would I do that. Would something like echo "is it running" | /home/mythtv/Desktop work?

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Anduin:

Pogonip_new_: No just 'echo running > /tmp/my.log' (| would execute Desktop)

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rc22:

anyone able to help with slow playback with via xvmc?

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** fxr__ wonders if he will get a slap if asks for advice on what distro to choose for myth **

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justinh:

yes sure. get a proper motherboard & put a real CPU in it. my epia m10k sucks and is going bye byes soon

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rc22:

i thought the m10k worked with myth

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justinh:

rc22: it does, by the skin of its teeth

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justinh:

seriously, before you get too frustrated with it, get rid1

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justinh:

in this day & age, anything which relies on hardware mpeg decoding just to play standard def. tv shouldn't even be considered

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cesman:

fxr_: KnoppMyth, but I'm biased ;)

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justinh:

I should have another go with knoppmyth on the epia if I can figure out how to get it to boot disklessly without making my backend knoppmythic too ;)

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rc22:

i was encouraged by being able to solve the problem with the scambled sceen

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justinh:

when I tried it from a livecd it gave better performance than minimyth, though if I knew why I wouldn't have gone out & bought a core2 duo mobile setup. just waiting for the cpu to arrive

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justinh:

just to clarify things, it's not the CPU maxing out which is the problem. far from it

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cesman:

that is nice to know!

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justinh:

cesman: is there a relatively easy way to get a bootable NFS root system out of a knoppmyth cd without jumping through hoops?

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Pogonip_new_:

Anduin; OK, I added the script to mythtv and it created the my.log file. When I add the same echo to the change_channel.sh it doesn't create the my.log

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fxr_:

ha, thanks cesman.. any particular reasons for that? i used mythdora for most of this year.. until my motherboard blew up.. i became a little frustrated because mythtv seems a little locked in on mythdora and i couldnt fiddle with some of the newer toys that were released.. i also found fedora itself a little clunky on my older athlon box..

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justinh:

right now I'm stuck in a bit of a no-mans land. I daren't update my backend to 0.20.2 cos the later versions of minimyth I tried (up til 0.20.2) wouldn't play SDTV without gaps in playback. and er.. compiling on the epia is a nono really

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cesman:

fxr_: I created KnoppMyth hence my bias ;)

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fxr_:

hahah oh, i gotcha.. : )

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fxr_:

thanks for your efforts in creating nice toys like this for us to play with btw..

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cesman:

fxr_: I cannot speak for MythDora, there is no lockin w/ KnoppMyth.

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cesman:

fxr_: everything is in place for one to recompile MythTV

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cesman:

justinh: nfsroot off the CD should be possible if you have enough memory

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cesman:

justinh: then I suppose you could just copy the directory to your install

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justinh:

cesman: 512MB be enough?

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cesman:

canot say, I've not tried it off the CD

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rc22:

cesman: i also wanted to say thanks for knoppmyth. been using it for over a year. i would probably be stuck back in winblows withou it.

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justinh:

I've thought about this before – maybe I could mount the CD & copy what it'd install to the HDD to the nfsroot dir & go that way

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cesman:

rc22: you're welcome :)

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fxr_:

ok.. cesman... i will add your distro to my research list, thanks again..

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cesman:

you're welcome

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cesman:

justinh: the way we use to do diskless was like booting off the CD

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cesman:

the images was copied to a dir, then served up via NFS

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justinh:

ah

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squidly:

cmoates:

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justinh:

maybe it'd be possible to export an NFS share (which'd be the nfsroot), then possibly get the installer to write to that

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cesman:

justinh: http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=DisklessFrontend

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justinh:

or I could just take the easy way out, install it to a HDD, then copy the HDD to my nfs server

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squidly:

cmoates: sorry I rolled back my xserver and that seems to have fixed the issue

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justinh:

cesman: silly question: what was the last version to have 0.20-fixes – before 0.20.2 came out?

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justinh:

R5F1?

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cesman:

yes

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justinh:

cool ta :)

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cesman:

:)

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justinh:

minimyth was great for a while but IMHO started to lose its way when it stopped being purely for epia kit

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jams:

when did they make that change? i thought the whole point of minimyth was that is was for epias

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justinh:

short of building minimyth with umpteem different versions of everything I'll never find out what's causing the gappy playback on versions > 0.20–19

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justinh:

jams: a while back when 0.19 was still current

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jams:

heh guess that shows my knowledge of minimyth

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hgait:

Hi All

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cesman:

hello

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justinh:

pablo does a really good job but chasing after one loony user's playback problem that he can't seem to reproduce on his setup.. ws never gonna get fixed unless I found out what the problem was myself

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hgait:

has any one had any luck with the VFD in a Gigabyte H663

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cesman:

Not I

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hgait:

hi cesman

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cesman:

hi hgait

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justinh:

hgait: maybe try the lcdproc site & mailing list archives

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hgait:

thanks justinh will do

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justinh:

looking at pics of it, I wouldn't hold out much hope yet though

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justinh:

I suspect the VFD is a USB thing. try 'lsusb' & see if it comes up with the name of the controller. could give you more google power ;)

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rc22:

interesting. i just added Load "fbdevhw" to xorg.conf and it went from 80% watchable to 90% watchable. i think i'll investigate further

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iamlindoro:

Anyone interested in hosting .debs of mplayer and ffmpeg patched to play/convert E-AC3 and mlp (HDDVD/Bluray) audio tracks?

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madfactor:

ne1 here know anything about xebian?

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madfactor:

in regards to the myth packages...

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iamlindoro:

I'm updating the wiki regarding blu-ray rips and would like to link working players

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adante:

hi, does anybody know the appropriate -x codecs to pass transcode for nuv files?

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cmoates:

squidly, I'm glad to hear you fixed it, sorry to hear you had to roll back

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squidly:

cmoates: its not a problem. the only issue was rolling back in gentoo :D

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cmoates:

yeah

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tcpsyn:

does anyone know how I can improve audio dropouts over spdif?

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robbins61:

Is it possible to ssh into a box that's behind a router?

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Computer_Czar:

robbins61: Sure

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robbins61:

Computer_Czar, I just got some advice that makes it sound just about impossible

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Computer_Czar:

What advice would that be?

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Computer_Czar:

Don't leave me hanging now you've peaked my curiousity

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Tanthrix:

Computer_Czar: Easy – just forward the necessary ports.

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Computer_Czar:

Tanthrix: No kidding I'm curious what he was told

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Aval0mn:

sup guys

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Aval0mn:

svn fixed my random segfault of the backend.

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Aval0mn:

that's always nice :)

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harryk:

greetings all, anyone awake want to help me out with a lirc problem

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harryk:

anyone awake

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squidly:

nope

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harryk:

aparently :(

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tank-man:

you have to explain your problem in more detail

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harryk:

i'd be happy to

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harryk:

the remote control i'm attempting to use shows up as a usb keyboard

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harryk:

literally, I can begin using the remote at system post

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tank-man:

if it shows up as a keyboard, why use lirc?

[06:26:32]

harryk:

unfortunately, I'm having some difficulty using lirc because (and I'm only guessing here) the input is not IR, but actual keyboard commands

[06:26:45]

harryk:

tank-man, because not all of the keys are working

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harryk:

and it's only an assumption that I need to use lirc, I may not

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harryk:

for example, all the numeric keys work, as well as the up-down/left-right arrows

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tank-man:

if it shows up as a keyboard and some keys dont work, look at the output of dmesg after pressing some keys

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harryk:

but the play controls (play/stop/etc...) dont

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harryk:

dmesg will show input?

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squidly:

harryk: then you need to find out what keycodes they send then

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tank-man:

dmesg will/might say some error about the key not working

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harryk:

is there a way to put dmesg into an interactive mode, I'm pressing the various keys that don't work, and I don't see any update after running dmesg again

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tank-man:

i dont know

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tank-man:

i had to do this with the multimedia keys on my keyboard

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harryk:

frustrating because it seems like it's almost too easy for the standard buttons, but near impossible for anything of use

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harryk:

and really, i'm only looking to enable the additional play controls and channel & volume, I could settle for not having the top buttons (video/music/etc) working

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harryk:

tank-man, how'd you get it working with your media keyboard?

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tank-man:

pressed a key, looked at the output of dmesg, it said to do something, put that in my startup file

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harryk:

i wonder if I need to load a drive for a usb keyboard?

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tank-man:

contents of the startup file are commands like "setkeycodes e042 201"

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squidly:

harryk: dmesg is output only

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squidly:

if you want to watch it try tail -f /var/log/dmesg or tail -f /var/log/messages

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squidly:

there are other methods to check for X

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squidly:

keycodes in X

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harryk:

i'm not getting any 'update' after tailing either fial

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harryk:

file

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tank-man:

maybe it doesnt work

[06:43:32]

harryk:

admittedly, i've pondered that it might just not work

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harryk:

it just seems to odd to be literally so close, but just as far

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harryk:

any other ideas before I throw in the towel

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harryk:

squidly, what tools can I see X key codes?

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cmoates:

hmm

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cmoates:

I know there are tools to do so ;)

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cmoates:

I think you might look for "X event watcher" perhaps

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cmoates:

But it's not necessarily X codes, since it's a basic usb keyboard

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cmoates:

try showkey -s as root

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cmoates:

I seem to have that buried in the back of my head

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harryk:

hm, xec does yield some interesting results

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harryk:

er, xev

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harryk:

let me check showkey

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cmoates:

mzb_d800 or mzb around?

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mzb_d800:

yep

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cmoates:

You use a remote that acts as a usb keyboard, right? dev/input?

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mzb_d800:

yes

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cmoates:

Sounds like harryk is trying to do the same

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cmoates:

You got any advice? :)

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mzb_d800:

use the devinput driver in lirc rather than in X

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cmoates:

I picked up a new TV today

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mzb_d800:

create a udev rule for the input device that creates a static link

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cmoates:

It apparently can be controlled via serial to change inputs, etc

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cmoates:

I'm excited to experiment with tha rather than IR

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harryk:

mzb, I did set that as the driver

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mzb_d800:

loungetv:/etc/bluetooth# cat /etc/udev/IRremote.rules

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mzb_d800:

KERNEL=="event*",ENV{ID_CLASS}=="ir",ATTRS{name}=="bttv IR*",SYMLINK+="input/bttvremote"

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mzb_d800:

KERNEL=="event*",ENV{ID_CLASS}=="ir",ATTRS{name}=="*USB DVB*",SYMLINK+="input/dvbremote"

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mzb_d800:

hard to debug ... as you can't use irw (iirc)

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harryk:

you're correct

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harryk:

it doesn't recognize anythings because it's just keyboard input

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mzb_d800:

I had to modify v4l-dvb as the checksum code is b0rk3d

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harryk:

at the moment, this box is just a mythfrontend, no tuners

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harryk:

the tuners will be only in a seperate dedicated backend

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mzb_d800:

X is taking it over as a driver

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mzb_d800:

disable that and allow lirc to do the work ... then you *should* be able to get all keys

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mzb_d800:

putting printk's in the source can help in lieu of irw

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harryk:

forgive me, for I am inexperienced, I created the IRremote.rules file, in the above mentioned directory, but then what?

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mzb_d800:

you might want to have a closer look at xbindkeys before you go that far, though

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mzb_d800:

are you using a WM | DE ?

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harryk:

wm = window manager?

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tank-man:

too lazy to type "or" ?

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tank-man:

lol

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mzb_d800:

!

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mzb_d800:

:)

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harryk:

yea, i'm using gnome as the standard mythdora came with

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mzb_d800:

nah, drinking beer and poking fun at 2.5yo at the same time

[07:02:39]

mzb_d800:

most DE's have a multimedia-key config tool these days ... see if that can see your missing keys and work down (rather than up;)

[07:03:27]

mzb_d800:

then you can either bind the keys to what you want them to mean ... or set them in the mythtv keybindings

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mzb_d800:

(obviating the need for lirc)

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cmoates:

I'm pretty sure gnome has a keyboard thing in it's admin stuff

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mchou:

this is pretty ridiculous

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harryk:

yea, but not that shows what you're pressing

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mchou:

the light bulb cost more than the lamp???

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mzb_d800:

ubuntu does, can't speak for gnome itself (or mythdora)

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mchou:

(which includes the light bulb)

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harryk:

the showkey and xev both yield data on keypress/keyrelease from the remote

[07:05:55]

mchou:

the economy has gone batty

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harryk:

mzb_d800, what is the command in ubuntu, maybe I can install it

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mchou:

US is a frigging third world country now for real

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mzb_d800:

harryk: in ubuntu it's system->prefs->keyboard shortcuts

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mchou:

even the drug dealers dont want to accept US$ anymore

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harryk:

heh

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mzb_d800:

which is gnome-keybinding-properties

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harryk:

interesting

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mchou:

and the canadian $ has higher valuation than US $

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harryk:

using the keyboard-shortcuts app – I can see what the key press is doing

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harryk:

so when I press rewind, I get 0x90

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mzb_d800:

(part of gnome-control-center)

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harryk:

yea, same app

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harryk:

ok, again, inexperience shining through, how can I map 0x90 to 'rewind' in mythtv?

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mzb_d800:

the way I would do it? :)

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harryk:

sure

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mchou:

use the myth gui

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mzb_d800:

I'd make it send a different key

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mchou:

to assign keys

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mchou:

:)

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mzb_d800:

and then enter that key in the mythtv settings

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mzb_d800:

(if you can't enter the keycode directly into myth)

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harryk:

so keypress sends Z and Z is now rewind in myth? as an example?

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mzb_d800:

no ... an "unknown" key (or at least unused by a normal keyboard)

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mzb_d800:

that means you can treat the keyboard and remote as different items

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mzb_d800:

(might come in handy later on)

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harryk:

i think you lost me

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mzb_d800:

ok ... so let's say your left arrow isn't working

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harryk:

ok

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mzb_d800:

so rather than mapping that button to "left"

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mzb_d800:

(which would mean that it would work ... but neither X or mythtv would know the difference between the remote and any other input device)

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mzb_d800:

I suggest you map it to something that can be used by myth, but is currently not used by your keyboard

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mzb_d800:

that does make it more of a challenge however

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mzb_d800:

(and I often over-complicate things;)

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mzb_d800:

so if you want the easy way ... just map it to the key it should be

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mzb_d800:

eg. map "Zoom" button directly to w

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harryk:

but how do I know what 'Zoom' is? ...

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harryk:

i mean, looking at the keyboard shortcuts, I press rewind, and the keyboard shortcut is now 0x90

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harryk:

can I tell myth that rewind is keypress 0x90?

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mzb_d800:

yeah ... I think it needs to be a real keyname

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harryk:

so I almost do have to use lirc and reference each of the hex values?

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mzb_d800:

there's a doc in X somewhere that has them all defined

[07:15:44]

mzb_d800:

no

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mzb_d800:

forget lirc

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harryk:

ok, happy to

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mzb_d800:

sounds like you have everything you need

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mzb_d800:

the "unknown" keys are simply not mapped, right?

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harryk:

I think thats a fair statement

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mzb_d800:

so just map them to "something"

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harryk:

if by mapped you mean now myth mapping

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harryk:

wait

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mzb_d800:

no

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harryk:

lightbulb — hear me out

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mzb_d800:

:)

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harryk:

within whatever gnome or X applet .. I can assign a 'key' to a hex value, the hex value being whatever key press I make on the remote

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harryk:

so if I can assign F99 to hex 0x90 then I can assign F99 to rewind in myth, that right?

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** harryk feels like an idiot that this is foreign to me **

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mzb_d800:

exactly

[07:18:43]

mzb_d800:

(not the idiot bit;)

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harryk:

heh

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harryk:

ok, then can you point me in the right direction to define not standard keys?

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harryk:

within X?

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mzb_d800:

:)

[07:19:10]

mzb_d800:

no

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mzb_d800:

but your F99 suggestion sounds good

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mzb_d800:

ie. you don't have F13-F99 on your keyboard, right?

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harryk:

thats correct

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harryk:

is there a way to map non-existent keys to a value in X?

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mzb_d800:

and, iirc, if you enter a keyname for a code that's already being used your config, the editor will warn you

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mzb_d800:

sorry?

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mzb_d800:

isn't that what we're talking about

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mzb_d800:

?

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harryk:

yea, I guess I'm asking where do I define F99

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mzb_d800:

ah

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mzb_d800:

hang on

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harryk:

the keyboard shortcuts applet is for quick keys, like open email by pressing whatever

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harryk:

or take screenshot by pressing alt-9

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harryk:

or other randomness

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mzb_d800:

err... yes ... and no

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mzb_d800:

some of them come up as xf86 keys

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mzb_d800:

but either way

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mzb_d800:

you might have more fun with xbindkeys

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mzb_d800:

xbindkeys-config in particular

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harryk:

checking for xbindkeys now

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harryk:

hmm.. talks about shortcuts mostly, but perhaps it'll give me the intended results

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harryk:

lets play with it

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mzb_d800:

pretty much any of the older "howto multimedia keys" will get you a step closer

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harryk:

ok

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mzb_d800:

a better way is with loadkeys

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mzb_d800:

(imo)

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mzb_d800:

but no gui ;)

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harryk:

heh

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harryk:

i'm fine without the gui

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harryk:

and mythdora is breaking to many repositories

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mzb_d800:

eg: keycode 63 = F70 F71

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mzb_d800:

(in man loadkeys)

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mzb_d800:

so if you google for multimedia loadkeys

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mzb_d800:

you'll probably find quick and easy ways to get what you want

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cmoates:

good luck, bbiab

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cmoates:

:)

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mzb_d800:

eg. xev to show codes

[07:28:20]

mzb_d800:

dumpkeys to create initial config

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harryk:

thanks mzb_d800

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mzb_d800:

and then add your extra keys

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mzb_d800:

np

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harryk:

this is probably the most helpful anyone has ever been for me with myth ... i try to be self sufficient, but this was just eating my ass

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mzb_d800:

hope that helps ... sorry about the long answer

[07:29:02]

harryk:

no no .. great information

[07:29:09]

mzb_d800:

cool

[07:29:12]

harryk:

gives me lots to read up on

[07:29:44]

cesman:

anyone using a recent SVN encounter compilation issues w/ MythDialog?

[07:29:50]

mzb_d800:

I reckon I'd better have beer #2 and think about a shower ... so I can go out and drink more beer while I watch g/f play netball ;))

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mzb_d800:

(and perform Daddy Duty;)

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harryk:

mzb_d800, oh no .. my thanks wasn't permission for you to jump outta here ... ;)

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mzb_d800:

:)

[07:30:52]

harryk:

kidding ... cheers mate, have one for me ... maybe I'll have this nipped by the time you return

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mzb_d800:

sorry ... beer fridge is downstairs :)

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mzb_d800:

ah well ... at least g/f is happy (s/happier) now ... her machine+desk is all back together

[07:38:58]

mzb_d800:

(after a month or more;)

[07:39:48]

mzb_d800:

somebody made a comment about the scanner mount: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=84

[07:40:01]

mzb_d800:

err ... perhaps it was black_lighting

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mzb_d800:

not to worry

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harryk:

mzb_d800, ok, ran xev and jotted down all keycodes that gave a response, oddly, there were about 6 or so that gave no response

[08:00:42]

mzb_d800:

heh

[08:00:45]

harryk:

anyway to dig further and get those?

[08:00:47]

mzb_d800:

good luck

[08:00:56]

mzb_d800:

try lirc :))

[08:01:00]

harryk:

argh

[08:01:09]

mzb_d800:

:))

[08:01:15]

mzb_d800:

yep it only gets worse

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harryk:

the only key that is significant that isn't reporting is ch up and down

[08:01:26]

harryk:

vol works

[08:01:43]

harryk:

I can live without chup and chdown by binding it to another set of keys

[08:01:51]

mzb_d800:

in my case there was dodgy checksum + condition check in the v4l-dvb source

[08:01:52]

harryk:

* and # I guess

[08:01:57]

mzb_d800:

so nothing worked

[08:02:08]

harryk:

that would suck

[08:02:30]

harryk:

a weird thing though

[08:02:49]

harryk:

* and # display as keycode 50 when pressed and 12 when released, same for both keys

[08:02:57]

harryk:

any thoughts?

[08:02:59]

mzb_d800:

mine is an IR receiver on a kworld dvb USB tuner

[08:03:14]

mzb_d800:

yep

[08:03:18]

mzb_d800:

see above :)

[08:03:21]

harryk:

heheh

[08:03:25]

harryk:

ok,

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mzb_d800:

seriously

[08:03:37]

mzb_d800:

turn off X

[08:03:46]

harryk:

oh

[08:03:51]

harryk:

i didn't think about that

[08:03:53]

mzb_d800:

and load up lirc

[08:03:56]

harryk:

sorry, i might have missed that

[08:04:09]

mzb_d800:

with devinput

[08:04:24]

mzb_d800:

the fact that most of the keys work is a good sign

[08:04:38]

harryk:

a total of 9 keys didn't (recounted)

[08:04:45]

harryk:

6 could be ignored

[08:04:53]

harryk:

2 is for chup and chdown

[08:05:01]

harryk:

last is 'radio' which could be ignored

[08:05:07]

mzb_d800:

in my case it was easier to add printk's to v4l-dvb than to diagnose evdev in X

[08:05:35]

mzb_d800:

still seems like a lot of keys

[08:05:43]

harryk:

don't supposed you live anywhere near milwaukee wi?

[08:05:50]

harryk:

i'd buy you a beer for your trouble

[08:06:14]

mzb_d800:

http://www.parks.tas.gov.au/wildlife/mammals/devil.html

[08:06:16]

mzb_d800:

:)

[08:06:29]

mzb_d800:

thanks ... don't like American beer much ;)

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harryk:

nor do I

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mzb_d800:

offer appreciated though :)

[08:06:50]

harryk:

lately i've been on Big Eddy's imperial IPA

[08:06:57]

harryk:

and spaten munich

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harryk:

defintely

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mzb_d800:

if it's *only* you using the remote, it's probably easy enough to live with it

[08:07:33]

harryk:

my wife will be using it as well (hopefully)

[08:07:35]

mzb_d800:

but if you have *important* females using it ... I suggest you get it right :))

[08:07:36]

mzb_d800:

ah

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mzb_d800:

lol

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harryk:

but I think she could cope with it while I continue working on it

[08:07:57]

mzb_d800:

true

[08:08:07]

mzb_d800:

but watch out with that approach :)

[08:08:14]

harryk:

oh i know

[08:08:28]

mzb_d800:

it will get to the stage where you will have to schedule times when the mythbox is not being used ;)

[08:08:56]

harryk:

yea ... we have a dvr from the local cableco that I'll continue to use until this thing is solid

[08:09:02]

harryk:

literally almost there

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mzb_d800:

I've got Her Ladyship hooked

[08:09:44]

mzb_d800:

went to the extra effort of making a couple of IR receivers so I could use a NICE remote

[08:09:54]

harryk:

nice

[08:10:01]

mzb_d800:

(has a matching IR keyboard ... yet to be configured)

[08:10:24]

harryk:

if I could get away with storing a keyboard around the couch, I'd go that route

[08:10:26]

mzb_d800:

http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=83

[08:10:39]

harryk:

but I think this remote will serve nicely once properly configured

[08:10:55]

mzb_d800:

ah, I have loungetv and bedtv

[08:11:31]

mzb_d800:

(loungetv is cloned to 20" CRT in garage so I can bbq+myth)

[08:11:44]

harryk:

nice

[08:12:09]

harryk:

tomorrow I'm hooking this thing up to my spare 20" for the game .. american footbal

[08:12:12]

harryk:

rugby man myself

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mzb_d800:

:)

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harryk:

but the family likes it

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mzb_d800:

g/f's family are all netball mad ... my family + g/f's dad are car mad ... so heaps of opportunity to keep them happy when they visit

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mzb_d800:

(I guess g/f's sister is going to enjoy the X-rated collection when she house sits, too:)

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harryk:

ahha

[08:14:46]

harryk:

perfect

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harryk:

will the ascii codes help at all?

[08:15:12]

mzb_d800:

still trying to figure out a way of driving the spare 69cm TV in the spare bedroom to avoid her using our bed ;)

[08:15:17]

harryk:

i ran showkey -a for * and # and received proper output

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mzb_d800:

not sure

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mzb_d800:

there's a loadkeys default file loaded by X init scripts

[08:16:02]

mzb_d800:

so if you can get that to work it would be simplest

[08:16:21]

mzb_d800:

(or just add a loadkeys directive in your .xinitrc)

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harryk:

yea, I was reading the loadkeys man and it looks like I can pass an include statement to load the keymap

[08:16:56]

harryk:

yea, that'd work too

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mzb_d800:

ok, I've got <30 mins to shave+shower (normally a 1hr job) ... I'd better run

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mzb_d800:

back in a couple of hours

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harryk:

thanks mzb_d800 .. appreciate all your help tonight

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harryk:

have a good time

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justinh:

well, time to opt out of the -dev mailing list again. it's amazing how little talk about the development of mythtv takes place there

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Crazyguy:

hmm... I'm having problems with wintv Nova-T

[10:17:04]

justinh:

problems like the cx88-dvb module isn't loading automatically, thus making the devide non-worky?

[10:17:11]

Crazyguy:

no

[10:17:14]

Crazyguy:

it loads fine

[10:17:26]

justinh:

but?

[10:17:31]

Crazyguy:

but scan says "tuning failed"

[10:17:52]

justinh:

have you tested it with dvb-utils' scan & tzap yet?

[10:18:22]

Crazyguy:

the scan-program doesn't find any channels

[10:18:39]

justinh:

so er... what makes you think mythtv will?

[10:19:19]

Crazyguy:

I don't

[10:19:22]

justinh:

if 'scan' from the dvb-utils suite doesn't work, you'll have NO joy with mythtv

[10:19:26]

Crazyguy:

but I figured someone here might be able to help

[10:19:54]

justinh:

do you have another dvb-t receiver (like a set top box) you can try on that aerial connection to see if that works?

[10:20:39]

justinh:

do you have the coax cable looped through other devices? if so, try the aerial connection directly connected to the tuner card

[10:20:45]

directhex|bsp:

hang on, nova-ts work fine

[10:20:48]

directhex|bsp:

how antique is your kernel?

[10:21:07]

Crazyguy:

directhex|bsp, it's 2.6.22

[10:21:54]

directhex|bsp:

which revision of nova-t is it?

[10:21:59]

justinh:

Crazyguy: if you ls /dev/dvb/adapter0 do you have a subtree in there with dvr0 etc?

[10:23:59]

Crazyguy:

one moment

[10:25:18]

Crazyguy:

"Hauppauge model 90003, rev C2B0"

[10:26:18]

Crazyguy:

and ls /dev/dvb/adapter0 shows "lemux0 dvr0 frontend0 net0"

[10:26:29]

justinh:

seems fine

[10:27:01]

Crazyguy:

so the card is detected ok, but for some reason the scan seems to be unable to change channel

[10:27:07]

justinh:

if you have another dvb-t receiver in the house it'd be worth trying that on the aerial

[10:27:29]

justinh:

you ARE trying it with an aerial (antenna) aren't you? not cable etc

[10:27:34]

Crazyguy:

yes

[10:27:44]

justinh:

an aerial you know gets a good signal...

[10:27:51]

Crazyguy:

yes

[10:28:14]

justinh:

scan takes data from an initial tuning file. are you using theright one?

[10:28:51]

Crazyguy:

I don't think you understood the problem

[10:29:20]

Crazyguy:

www.datajyra.fi/scan.txt

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directhex|bsp:

the card could just be buggered

[10:30:15]

justinh:

Crazyguy: I understand the problem as well as you've been explaining it

[10:30:27]

Crazyguy:

justinh, see the file

[10:31:04]

justinh:

looks like it can't see anything at the frequency the initial file is pointing it at

[10:31:15]

justinh:

either that freq is wrong or your signal is too crap

[10:31:25]

Crazyguy:

and dmesg gets a lots of "cx88[0]/2-mpeg: cx8802_timeout" messages

[10:32:01]

justinh:

wonder if they've broken cx88 in the kernel again

[10:33:00]

justinh:

Crazyguy: seems you're doing everything ok. if I were you I'd try to borrow another dvb-t receiver & try it on that aerial

[10:33:20]

justinh:

if that works, it's either a driver problem or your card is borked

[10:33:31]

Crazyguy:

I could try the same card on windows, and I'll tell you if it works

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justinh:

well that'll tell you whether it's the kernel at fault or not

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justinh:

.. then again I didn't have that option 3 years ago. I moved to linux because the damn card never worked for more than 2 minutes at a time :)

[10:41:31]

justinh:

sitting in a room with a bunch of unknowns staring out at you til 3am for a week or so, learning how to patch the kernel. the epitome of fun for a newbie

[10:42:26]

directhex|bsp:

justinh, my first mythbox lacked support for either the tv cards or disk controller

[10:42:35]

justinh:

ouchy

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, patching the kernel using things found on mailing lists... :)

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Crazyguy:

I've been there too

[10:47:17]

justinh:

actually in 3 years I think I can still count the number of missed recordings on one hand

[10:48:35]

justinh:

Crazyguy: well, at least with your card being from Hauppauge, it's more likely to work in Windows than mine ;) Blinking Leadtek shite

[10:51:02]

** justinh smacks his bank & Paypal again. since when does a trnasfer take more than 7 working days ffs? **

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justinh:

at this rate the holes in the CPU socket will have healed up

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Crazyguy:

I think I have good news

[10:56:05]

Crazyguy:

it doesn't work in windows either

[10:56:26]

Crazyguy:

but it could be the antenna-connection

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justinh:

so now you're down to two options: 1. the card is shot. 2 (more likely) the aerial is no good for the job

[10:56:56]

Crazyguy:

yeah, I figured that much

[10:59:47]

justinh:

time to borrow or steal (or even buy) a dvb-t set top box & try it at home, maybe ;)

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Crazyguy:

I work at a computer store, so I just take a usb-stick and try with that ;)

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Hoxzer:

Hmm, How is it possible to turn off LCD TV via VGA cable. Basically it could be done by cutting off the singal but how can I do that? Pretty much like manually controlled dpms

[13:17:36]

Hoxzer:

[13:17:37]

Hoxzer:

xset -display :0 dpms force off

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Hoxzer:

thx Hoxzer

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Hoxzer:

and it doesn't work :P

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Hoxzer:

oh it does

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Hoxzer:

:0.1

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Hoxzer:

apparently my LCD doesn't understand to go to the stanby mode lol. Manual says it should go t othe standby but well...

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justinh:

dunno which I prefer in here – busy & full of dullards or deathly quiet

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directhex|work:

when there's the delightful ME to talk to, obviously!

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gbee:

does anyone here have a PVR* and DVB card in the same backend? How long approximately does it take to change between a channel on the PVR* card and one on the DVB card?

[14:03:29]

fryfrog:

i do, but i have no idea :(

[14:03:34]

fryfrog:

never watch live tv

[14:03:55]

fryfrog:

it shouldn't be long, i think going to PVR is fast, going to DVB is a little slower I imagine.

[14:04:01]

fryfrog:

(due to locking on the signal, etc)

[14:05:03]

gbee:

problem is that either way takes forever on my backend, I don't normally watch LiveTV either but something isn't right with it

[14:05:18]

justinh:

I used to have that setup. wasn't impressed with any aspect of it in livetv

[14:05:33]

gbee:

seems longer switching from DVB to PVR

[14:05:50]

gbee:

yay, autoexpirer is broken

[14:07:52]

gbee:

it's too slow to be usable, I'd like to see if I can change that – a lot of effort has been put into improving channel change times on the same card, but I've never seen anyone try the same for cross-input changes

[14:09:05]

gbee:

at the very least we should put up an OSD, similar to the DVB signal monitor which informs the user we are currently changing channels – otherwise they just get a blank screen for several seconds

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directhex|work:

gbee, all well & good, but in true Myth traditiion, i hope it comes with 4 extra config pages

[14:13:50]

gbee:

why, you want longer change times? :)

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directhex|work:

yes!

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gbee:

heh

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directhex|work:

and configurable level or rudeness in error messages!

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directhex|work:

and choice of where to place errors!

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directhex|work:

anyway, back up to bsp i go

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gbee:

won't be happening anytime soon, just have too many other things to do :( I might do some debugging though to find out where the problem areas are, then maybe someone else would want to tackle it

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justinh:

just put longer delays in so less people are inclined to use livetv

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GreyFoxx:

haha I just noticed the new web frontend remote for the telnet interface that was added to mythweb. Nifty

[14:24:28]

GreyFoxx:

Now if it integrated X screenshots that should be really cool

[14:25:02]

GreyFoxx:

hmmmm wonder how hard that would be

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justinh:

prolly easier than trying to get consensus on a name change :P

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/qpixmap.html#grabWindow

[14:41:39]

gbee:

as a possibility for the UI parts

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gbee:

iirc Anduin already added a screenshot grabber for video, so that could be used there

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GreyFoxx:

Sweet

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GreyFoxx:

We could let those screenshots be grabbed via the backend protocol or http/xml methods

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GreyFoxx:

So it could issue the command and then grab an updated screenshot (auto updating every X number of seconds)

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gbee:

I'd use the http/xml methods and allow rescaling of the images, in the same way the http/xml stuff deals with previews and channel icons

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, and would only be minor changes to mythweb

[14:45:28]

GreyFoxx:

is the video screenshot grabber a key available during playback I assume? I never noticed that was added

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GreyFoxx:

Actually backup.... we don't start the http server in the frontend, only the backend

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GreyFoxx:

so neither of those is an immediate option for getting the image

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gregor__:

Hi! Does anyone know about dvb-s2 support in mythtv? got the cards running now, but mythtv can't scan/lock

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok, with the upnp changes the http stuff IS available via the frontend

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GreyFoxx:

sweet

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justinh:

gregor__: you'll be lucky!

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justinh:

I thought we were still waiting on the driver developers agreeing on an API for it anyway

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directhex|bsp:

gregor__, there is no dvb-s2 in linux yet AFAIK

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gbee:

TV Playback SCREENSHOT

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gbee:

"Save screenshot of current video frame"

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justinh:

anyway whether or not dvb-s2 is supported in mythtv, good luck playing h.264 HDTV :P

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directhex|bsp:

justinh, it's just a patch away. on a core2 duop.

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justinh:

yeah yeah

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justinh:

well, my hours are a bit down but wtf. hometime

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gregor__:

well as i said, there is an api already and we got the cards running an locking with scan and szap. dont know about the details though as a friend of mine worked on it (our common mythtv-server) last night

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Dabian:

OK .. dev channel seems to be 'busy' ... I

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gregor__:

@justinh we'll transcode anyway :-/

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Dabian:

will ask question here also. :)

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Dabian:

OK .. I am trying to set up videosources (mythbuntu 7.10 or similar), but the grapper I need is configured wrong .. would you possibly hint me where to fix it, either in mythbuntu or default install?

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Dabian:

OK .. I guess this is devel question. :)

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Dabian:

ok .. apparently now

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Dabian:

s/now/not\!/

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Dabian:

When I start mythtv-setup, my keyboard hogs up so I cannot switch to the terminal, which makes it diffecould (if not impossible) to setup video sources. Have you learned about any users having a similar issue, or even a sollution for the problem they wanna share with me?

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Dabian:

I'm running Ubuntu 7.10, Gutsy Gibbon

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sege:

if a set a file NOT to be browsable in mythvideo, it still is. god why?

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Dr_willis:

Hmm..

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sege:

what i want is the tree view to show everything (to find series and things like that) and gallery view/browse view to show the files ive set include while browsing to yes on. but as it is now i just can't get files not to show up at all, ever. if a file is found by the video manager it'll show.

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justinh:

gregor__: not enough hours in the day to transcode everything I watch

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justinh:

sege: you need to enable the viewing filters. press M while in the list view

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sege:

ah, okej. thanks!

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sege:

so much to learn.. grr. =)

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** justinh throws another mythtv manual on the fire to keep warm. not like anybody is gonna read it **

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jimmygoon:

I'm building/buying a frontend pc... What stats would I need on a VIA EPIA MiniITX motherboard to properly use it as a Media Director?

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justinh:

don't!

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justinh:

speaking from personal experience, don't do it

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jimmygoon:

justinh, why not and what should i do in alt?

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justinh:

mini-itx boards with real cpus, sure

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jimmygoon:

...versus...?

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jimmygoon:

not-real cpus :P?

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justinh:

why not? anything that _relies_ on hardware mpeg2 acceleration just to play standard def. mpeg2 (i.e. DVD) is a waste of time

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justinh:

Via CPUs are seriously underpowered

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jimmygoon:

hm

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jimmygoon:

so what did you end up doing?

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justinh:

if you'd have asked a year ago I'd prolly have said that my epia m10k is just fine. it's not though

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justinh:

I've stuck with it & have to put up with occasional gappy playback. the problem isnt high cpu usage though. going to replace it with a core2 duo mobile setup which cost me less than the original M10k board

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justinh:

if you just want something capable but it has to be small & quiet, mini-itx form factor boards that take Intel CPUs would be the way to go. if it just has to be quiet the options are more numerous

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AndyCap:

justinh: aren't you a mac-mini fan?

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justinh:

I'd have a mac mini in a flash if I knew for certain its TV out worked in PAL mode in linux

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justinh:

or if my TV took DVI

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AndyCap:

vga -> scart? :)

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justinh:

AndyCap: no spare RGB scart on my TV. we still need livetv in this house, and by that I mean mythtv's livetv is way too lame for primetime

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AndyCap:

justinh: bah, lucky bastards with digital freeview

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justinh:

besides, with VGA – SCART, YMMV greatly

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justinh:

£400 is a lot for me to gamble on a frontend that may or may not work exactly as I want it. plus it has the disadvantage that you can't use the digital & analogue audio out at the same time

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justinh:

when my core2 duo mobile cpu finally arrives (frickin paypal delay) I'm gonna start assembling my new FE

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AndyCap:

justinh: what board have you ordered?

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justinh:

got an Aopen thing

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directhex:

the wife's pc's popped :(

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justinh:

I945Gmm-HL

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jimmygoon:

the mac minis are expensive

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justinh:

yeah but you get real styling, real power, real small

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justinh:

the Via EPIA crap is overpriced for what it is

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justinh:

put it this way, my celeron 733 can play stuff without hardware acceleration that the EPIA M10k chokes on, even with its mpeg2 decoder

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justinh:

I can't look at the purchase of that Via board as anything but a big mistake now

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BULLE:

justinh: you can always use it as a nice high powered ap/router/firewall

[17:54:12]

justinh:

BULLE: nah. I can always sell it or put it in the bin

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justinh:

my router gives me all the protection I need

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justinh:

it _might_ end up being a music playout system, but then I could prolly use my backend to do that anyway

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justinh:

could be that it has to stay in service after all if this Intel board's TVout proves to be lacklustre

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justinh:

seriously tempted to bump the cable box to AV2 though :D

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jimmygoon:

hm, I'm looking for something decent under 300

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Pogonip_new_:

Can someone help me troubleshoot my ch_channel script?

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justinh:

jimmygoon: you can get something decent for under 300, but quiet & small for that price is clutching at straws

[18:03:08]

justinh:

decent cases on the other hand.. you're looking at 300 just for the case

[18:03:43]

jimmygoon:

hmm, I'll have to talk budget w/ my dad. our xbox (with xbox media center) finally conked out so we have to replace it and I've been looking at some myth/linuxmce solutions

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jimmygoon:

I've we're going to splurge I'll probably just grab a couple mac minis and a new video card for our main pc

[18:04:15]

Pogonip_new_:

jimmygoon; Wait a few months for the next intel quad core. They take a lot less power

[18:04:21]

justinh:

btw if all you want to do is play videos mythtv is prolly too much like effort

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jimmygoon:

justinh, nah, its the whole deal, schedule tv, video, music, pictures, shared over our network.. and I'm well versed in linux so I'm not afraid of dealing with the support

[18:05:17]

jimmygoon:

my bigger concern is always hardware

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jimmygoon:

the other question is it possible to adapt(or) dvi to output component?

[18:06:11]

justinh:

nope

[18:06:29]

justinh:

you need a card capable of outputting component

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lucidblue:

hey all, I'm having some difficulty getting my pvr-350 remote to work with mythtv.. I can modprobe ir-kbd-i2c and then it will register the numbers (because I think they're seeing it as the same as keyboard input) and I've got what is supposed to be a lircd.conf for that remote, and what appears to be a matching /.mythtv/lircrc, but I'm not sure how to configure it properly

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justinh:

I think most cards do that over their DVI socket by way of an adapter but that's not the same thing

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lucidblue:

justinh: is component out better than svideo? I want to take my nvidia card out of the loop, haven't tried it yet

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jimmygoon:

justinh, just justifies a new tv :)

[18:07:16]

justinh:

lucidblue: yes

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Schmidt:

Has anyone had any luck with mythmpd ?

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jimmygoon:

justinh, actually I meant dvi->composite

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lucidblue:

justinh: cool, I bet the line-y jitter on fast motion would go away with that then

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justinh:

mythmpd is _dead_

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Schmidt:

justinh: :(

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jimmygoon:

(or svideo)

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justinh:

lucidblue: that's an interlacing artifact. you need to deinterlace

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jimmygoon:

yay http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObje . . . ore=M9267G/A

[18:08:48]

justinh:

mythmpd is _dead_ (YAY! it was a lame way to go about it anyway)

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lucidblue:

justinh: is that a setting in myth? I figured it was config and not the hardware — so I find the deinterlace option and check that box I'm thinking

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justinh:

lucidblue: tv playback settings

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lucidblue:

Okay, thanks... I'll right that down

[18:09:37]

justinh:

utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback

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jimmygoon:

is the mac mini pretty quiet?

[18:10:28]

justinh:

jimmygoon: I put my ear up against the case while it was playing HD. couldn't hear anything

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jimmygoon:

justinh :O

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jimmygoon:

now the problem is.. our main PC is windows and I don't think I can/could convince them to switch :(

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lucidblue:

justinh: do you know a good how-to for the pvr-350 remote? I'm a little confused by it really — I was close to getting a cheap one to work (mce remote), but I'd rather just use this now that I have it.

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lucidblue:

I found one for kubuntu, but it said to find the eventX with 'lsinput' from the input-utils package, but after installing that, I still don't have that app — I've got myth on mandriva 2008.0

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justinh:

lucidblue: it's pretty simple. the lirc button names are all in lircd.conf alongside the actual IR codes that represent each button. then in the ~/.mythtv/lircrc file, the key functions you want to assign to the remote buttons – you just call the thing by the same name the lircd.conf file has

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justinh:

irw is used to test lirc on a console

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justinh:

irw should spit out the names of the buttons it receives as you press em on the remote

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justinh:

get lirc running, make the names in the lircrc file agree with what's in lircd.conf. job done

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justinh:

I think one thing I've seen catch people out is they get their lirc config files from all over the place. one lircd.conf file may not work with a lircrc file even if they're for the 'same remote' see it all depends on the button names (including the case of the names)

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hashbang:

lucidblue: running cat </dev/input/eventX | hexdump -C whilst pressing buttons on the remote can be handy

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jimmygoon:

if only mythtv ran in windows

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justinh:

thank duck it doesn't!

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justinh:

tuners etc are hard enough to get worky in linux nevermind windows

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justinh:

load the driver, reboot, reboot, load the driver. fiddle, reboot, reload the driver. reboot..

[18:16:32]

hashbang:

anyone know anything about OpenGL sync changes in MythTV since 0.19 ?

[18:16:59]

justinh:

hashbang: massive changes in trunk recently as far as video playback go

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hashbang:

arse

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justinh:

I mean _massive_ massive

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lucidblue:

justinh: yah, I tried irw, but I've gotta call it with driver and device or it just exits, I've checked that atleast most of the button names correspond to the lircd.conf, but I can't figure out which /dev/input/eventX is being used, I tried 0 thru 4 and only ever got the number output as if on a keyboard, what driver do I use for it? — or should one not be loaded?

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hashbang:

justinh: I used to use linear blend deinterlacing + GL sync in 0.19 with the 8776 nVidia driver and it was perfect

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** justinh uses bob 2x **

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hashbang:

justinh: but enabling GL sync on 0.20.2 (even reverting from 96.43.01 nvidia to 8776) results in very jerky motion

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hashbang:

justinh: I suspect something like 12fps

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jimmygoon:

hm, well what stats would it take to be a main media core. no display/kb/mouse needed ... just a decent processor, HUGE hard drive, tv tuner card.... digital audio in....

[18:19:41]

jimmygoon:

well, actually I could make one of the pcs the main media core and a playback director

[18:19:43]

Pogonip_new_:

can someone help troubleshoot my change channel script?

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justinh:

jimmygoon: you can't do digital audio in in mythtv

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jimmygoon:

justinh, ok, so no digital audio

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justinh:

jimmygoon: if you use the right gear, recording TV doesn't burn many CPU cycles

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justinh:

i.e. don't just use 'a tuner card'. for SDTV get a Hauppauge PVR150 or PVR500 card

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jimmygoon:

justinh, hdtv?

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justinh:

for HDTV, a PCHDTV card or HDhomerun will work with OTA HD & some cable channels. Otherwise firewire with a suitably equipped cable HD STB

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jimmygoon:

so a good sdtv card + a good hdtv card?

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justinh:

in any of those cases, recording will take up very little CPU

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jimmygoon:

hmmm

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jimmygoon:

justinh, know of any good slim dvd? I'm gonna hook in up usb so I can just have the slimdvd drive sitting there and the pc behind the wall

[18:26:31]

justinh:

nope

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lucidblue:

hashbang: so if I run that command, could I just change the 'X' to figure out which device the reciever is on? cat </dev/input/eventX | hexdump -C

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cmh0101:

when trying to install MythTV in Fedora 8 i'm getting a dependency missing --->ibx264.s056 needed for mythmusic, anyone know how i can fix this?

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justinh:

speak to the packager?

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cmh0101:

Im sorry?

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justinh:

talk to the guy who made the packages

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cmh0101:

oh ok, I'll give it a shot

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justinh:

though IIRC, dependency hell can easily come about from mixing package repositories

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justinh:

from what I've seen in here & on the mailing lists I think hell would need to freeze over damn hard before I went with FC

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lucidblue:

haha mdv installed slick — there were plugin errors tho with spring

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cmh0101:

yeah right ha, Fedora 8 does not seem well supported yet I think i upgraded too fast

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** justinh is still running ubuntu dapper on his backend. works fine. no pressing need to update it since it's not directly connected to the interwebs **

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justinh:

and like _how_ old is dapper now? ;)

[18:39:30]

justinh:

there's a lot to be said for leaving stuff the hell alone ya knows

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justinh:

although if you run on gentoo I wouldn't advise leaving it a long time between updates. that's how you end up changing distros

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hjohnson:

it's like the people who complain about debian stable

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cmh0101:

right

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hjohnson:

it's not that it's stable in the sense that it's not going to crash, it's stable in the sense that it's not going to break.

[18:42:14]

justinh:

hjohnson: what, like "hey I want the latest version of XYZ" ?

[18:42:51]

justinh:

they seem to let stuff mature for longer, shall we say...

[18:43:07]

justinh:

like that's some bad thing ;)

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hjohnson:

justinh: sure, but that's what you want when you're running a server...

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hjohnson:

(well, a production machine)

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hjohnson:

all you want is security patches

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** justinh wonders what jiggery a zalman flower sink would need to make it secure on a socket 478 mounting **

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jduggan_:

super goo

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justinh:

never been too fond of using thermally conductive adhesive

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gbee:

anyone know how to disable the "Alt+Left Mouse" shortcut in KDE that moves windows? It clashes with a tool in inkscape

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lucidblue:

justinh: hurray, with the cat </dev... command, I've found out that the device is '/dev/input/event4' do I load that for lircd then?

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Crazyguy:

hello boys

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Crazyguy:

I'm back

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Crazyguy:

I have some more questions

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lucidblue:

justinh: I've loaded the ir-kbd-i2c driver to get the input to show up, would that be the driver, or /dev/input ?

[18:55:28]

justinh:

Eva?

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hashbang:

cmh0101: MythTV on FC8 JFW'ed for me. I use the fedora, updates, ATrpms and freshrpms repos

[18:55:52]

justinh:

lucidblue: have to be honest & say my lirc expertise goes as far as serial port lirc & that's it

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Crazyguy:

how do I setup the "Back/Exit" button on the wintv nova-t remote to esc-button?

[18:55:52]

hashbang:

cmh0101: follow the fedora mythology doc

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lucidblue:

k, thanks tho

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justinh:

Crazyguy: look in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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hashbang:

# Escape/Exit/Back

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hashbang:

begin

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hashbang:

prog = mythtv

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hashbang:

button = Back

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hashbang:

config = Esc

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hashbang:

end

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hashbang:

Crazyguy: best to link ~/.mythtv/lircrc to ~/.lircrc

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hashbang:

Crazyguy: oh, and lircd will need to be running, too

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hashbang:

Crazyguy: back not working is one of the symptoms of lircd having died, IME

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hashbang:

(though many other buttons work, because the event layer presents them as key events)

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Crazyguy:

I'm not sure it has ever been started

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hashbang:

Crazyguy: well, it needs to be configured and working too

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Crazyguy:

any easy way to do that in ubuntu?

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hashbang:

Crazyguy: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Cowbutt # some stuff there

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hashbang:

Crazyguy: probably, but I'm an FC guy.

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justinh:

hmmm if I could get a nice long spring...

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justinh:

wonder how many deg C per watt a zalman flower is, and if it'll be enough to run fanless

[19:05:14]

_DustyBin:

does anybody know if you can run mythtv with a vserver guest os ?

[19:05:16]

fxfitz:

Can anyone tell me how to download recordings from mythweb to a windows machine? It says that firefox doesn't know how to open the myth protocol.

[19:05:25]

justinh:

fxfitz: look in the wiki

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justinh:

_DustyBin: possibly. try it

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fxfitz:

justinh: Will do. Thanks!

[19:05:52]

justinh:

video playback'd prolly suck though

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_DustyBin:

i know there has been problems with xen, vserver works in a different way, a bit like a ultra-secure chroot

[19:06:26]

justinh:

first Q I always ask is WHY? ;)

[19:07:40]

fxfitz:

justinh: I want to download the .mpg file to the harddrive, not stream or anything.

[19:07:49]

fxfitz:

justinh: Is all that on there too?

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justinh:

_DustyBin: ahh maybe for that 'friendly fork of mythtv', with all its sudo crap inside :D

[19:08:31]

_DustyBin:

?

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justinh:

fxfitz: http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a . . . oogle+Search

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fxfitz:

justinh: Thanks!

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justinh:

_DustyBin: http://sourceforge.net/projects/heliocreek/

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justinh:

their source has stuff like 'sudo wget'.. potentially not very good

[19:11:48]

_DustyBin:

i remember asking you guys about creating a virtual machine on my mythtv box to split up applications away from mythtv

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** justinh curses PayPal & his bank yet again. 9 days to do a flipping money xfer! arghhhH! **

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_DustyBin:

but you guys said its a waste a time, but i think it would make my setup a lot neater and tidyer

[19:12:22]

justinh:

_DustyBin: well if you think so, gofer it

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justinh:

my backend is also kind of a desktop machine too. I've never had it fall over

[19:13:19]

_DustyBin:

i have a nice big 3.2 pentium chip on my mythbackend box, lots of cpu spare to create a virtual box on it

[19:13:53]

justinh:

depends what you're doing, whether you even really need virtualisation or not

[19:14:36]

_DustyBin:

its not professional running, mythtv, zoneminder, bind9, postfix, irssi, rtorrent, cups, samba, NFS, apache all together

[19:14:51]

_DustyBin:

it would be a lot wiser to split things up

[19:15:16]

_DustyBin:

then id have the added bonus of a 2nd machine!

[19:15:24]

justinh:

I've yet to go to the trouble of setting up a mail server at home. there's just no fscking point

[19:15:42]

justinh:

same with printer sharing. no need for it

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_DustyBin:

postfix is pretty easy to setup on debian, i use it with imaps and squirrelmail

[19:16:10]

justinh:

ZM on the other hand.. I'd definitely go for putting that in its own box

[19:16:34]

justinh:

physically though

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_DustyBin:

justinh: id like that on the guest virtual machine!

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justinh:

framegrabbers.. bleuch

[19:16:55]

_DustyBin:

could that mess with mythtv?

[19:17:09]

_DustyBin:

one day i will connect axis IP cameras to zoneminder

[19:17:23]

_DustyBin:

so i doubt if that would mess around with mythtv, but im unsure

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justinh:

well, compared to the odd few mbits/sec you get over the bus with proper tuner cards, framegrabbers do a hell of a lot more over the PCI bus

[19:17:50]

_DustyBin:

ok

[19:18:43]

justinh:

ordinarily keeping processes running as different users'd be enough I'd have thought, but with a CCTV app like ZM.. hmmmm

[19:19:28]

_DustyBin:

ok

[19:19:49]

_DustyBin:

ZM + MYTHTV are both resource intensive and should be on seperate boxes!

[19:19:54]

justinh:

I personally wouldn't expect much from either mythtv or ZM running on the same box. not that I've ever used ZM in anger though

[19:20:31]

justinh:

I might give it a whizz if the ZM plugin ever supports a remote ZM server (if it doesn't already)

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GreyFoxx:

it does

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_DustyBin:

i was thinking about building a 2nd box for ZM but my CPU hardly gets used on my mythtvbackend box

[19:21:09]

_DustyBin:

so whats the point of building another box if my CPU is hardly used on my myth box..

[19:21:12]

GreyFoxx:

justinh: One of the guys here has a ZM machine and I have our frontend setup to access it

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justinh:

pity there's no DM Network Viewer for linux

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justinh:

also a pity the DM Web Viewer only works in IE (damnit!)

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GreyFoxx:

_DustyBin: personally I wouldn't use 2 boxes for that unless you are watching several cameras.

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GreyFoxx:

but then I don't commflag or transcode on my backends

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_DustyBin:

GreyFoxx: the most i would use would be 2

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_DustyBin:

2 Axis IP cameras

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justinh:

heheh sorted the zalman flower mounting conundrum. have to do some extensive burning when I get my CPU

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gbee:

what's with this VM fad? seems the answer to every problem is virtualisation!

[19:23:42]

_DustyBin:

gbee: it keeps things nice and tidy

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gbee:

War in Iraq ... Virtualisation! Famine in Africa ... Virtualisation!

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_DustyBin:

i need to find out if mythtv works with vserver

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gbee:

don't buy that as a proper explanation

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gbee:

but each to their own

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CCFL_Man2:

hmm..

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CCFL_Man2:

what does my nick appear as?

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hashbang:

gbee: any luck with the EDID/1024x576 stuff?

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justinh:

gbee: my sentiments exactly. everybody I say it to thinks I'm some kind of loony for not being swept along in the hype. I _am_ some kind of loony but not for that reason ;)

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gbee:

hashbang: no, nvidia driver doesn't permit 1024x576 as a valid TV resolution and I can't find a way to override

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hashbang:

gbee: what does it say in Xorg.0.log?

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gbee:

"no valid modes for 1024x576, removing" or something like that

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AndyCap:

Somewhere earlier it should say why. at least if you run it with -logverbose 5 or so

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gbee:

AndyCap: I already know why, that's not the problem

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gbee:

as I said, the Nvidia driver doesn't permit 1024x576 as a valid TV resolution – you either use 720x576, or nothing (for SD PAL)

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hashbang:

Mode Validation Reporting

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hashbang:

When log verbosity is set to 6 or higher (see FAQ section on increasing the amount of data printed in the X log file), the X log will record every mode that is considered for each display device's mode pool, and report whether the mode passed or failed. For modes that were considered invalid, the log will report why the mode was considered invalid.

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AndyCap:

Ahh. tv out? Hehe.

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hashbang:

Because these TV modes only depend on the TV encoder and the TV standard, TV modes do not go through normal mode validation. The X configuration options HorizSync and VertRefresh are not used for TV mode validation.

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hashbang:

Additionally, the NVIDIA driver contains a hardcoded list of mode sizes that it can drive for each combination of TV encoder and TV standard. Therefore, custom modelines in your X configuration file are ignored for TVs.

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gbee:

precisely

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hashbang:

so sayeth nVidia docs

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hashbang:

gbee: build yourself a VGA->RGB scart cable. :-)

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AndyCap:

well, You probably know what I'll suggest so I won't repeat myself

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AndyCap:

heh, or hashbang will.

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gbee:

ultimately that might be what I do, assuming I can't think of a way to handle the non-square pixel issue in the theme scaling code

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hashbang:

right, supper, I think

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cipher_nemo_:

hello, I'm having an issue with the MythTV Backend setup: I have a PVR-500, and it is initialized by ivtv, but adding it as a new capture card is never saved by the config utility

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moosylo1:

sounds like a db issue

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cipher_nemo_:

my-sql should be installed by default when I apt-get mythtv from ubuntu 7.04, correct?

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cipher_nemo_:

let me check

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cipher_nemo_:

it looks like mysql server 5, client, common, etc. is installed. Any ideas on troubleshooting it?

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moosylo1:

I don't run Ubuntu – but if mysql is running it looks more like a database problem. Drop the database and recreate the db

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cipher_nemo_:

will do. Excuse me for being a linux and mysql noob, but what's the easiest way to do that?

[19:58:01]

moosylo1:

one sec

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cipher_nemo_:

np, thx for the help!

[19:59:03]

moosylo1:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html

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moosylo1:

23.6 deleting the mysql database

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cipher_nemo_:

awesome, thanks!

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moosylo1:

I assume you created the database...did you?

[20:02:34]

moosylo1:

If not, here is howto create the db on suse, only the path to the mc.sql could be different on your system

[20:02:35]

moosylo1:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Opensuse . . . _.28mysql.29

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justinh:

don't see the point in running X at a 16:9 aspect resolution for a PAL TV

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Crazyguy:

hmm... can I rearrange the tv-channels in mythtv somehow?

[20:09:58]

justinh:

bleugh. see there's a new tarball of mythpython out. on some random filesharing site.. again

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justinh:

wtf? I ran xfs_db before & after xfs_fsr and now there's more fragmentation

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Crazyguy:

hey

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Crazyguy:

is there a way to rearrange the channel numbers in mythtv?

[20:18:10]

justinh:

yeah but you're not gonna like it

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GreyFoxx:

I imagine you might be able to change the channel numbers via the channel 4editor in mythtv-setup

[20:18:39]

GreyFoxx:

I don't know what effect that would have on any existing schedules though

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: none

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DustyBin:

at the moment im using mythtv svn but im finding it too unstable to use, id now like to install a compile the mythtv fixes, would the best way to do this be just delete the whole mythtv source directory and re-download the fixes source code, or would i need to uninstall mythtv svn properly first?

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justinh:

renumbering channels shouldn't affect the schedules unless you've set a rule to record from channel 'number' X

[20:19:49]

justinh:

every channel is made unique by its chanid, an un-editable column in the db

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justinh:

DustyBin: 1. export your recording & recorded tables. 2. restore a backup of the pre-trunk database. make uninstall (IIRC), then just build the fixes code

[20:21:25]

DustyBin:

aye thanks :D

[20:21:30]

dug:

can anyone look at my alsa.state and tell me why my line in isnt muting correctly? http://groups.google.com/group/mythtv/browse_ . . . f00924fe5b12

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dug:

its an sblive

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** justinh is suddenly imagining a 'favourite channels' editor where you can move channels up & down easily :) **

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justinh:

dug: is this #alsa ?

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justinh:

;)

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dug:

justinh: no but you had helped me yesterday ... thought you might be nice again today ... :)

[20:23:47]

dug:

I tried alsa first... the channel is quiet ;)

[20:23:49]

justinh:

dug: when I know, and people ask nice I'm prone to help out. when I don't know...

[20:24:19]

justinh:

I don't really understand alsa. it's evil as far as I'm concerned

[20:24:46]

justinh:

I prefer graphical mixers like those provided by Gnome & KDE

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cipher_nemo_:

moosylo1: I've dropped the mythconverg database, but I seem to be having issues recreating it using /usr/share/mythtv/sql$ sudo mysql < mc.sql Am I initializing the database incorrectly?

[20:25:22]

justinh:

cipher_nemo_: maybe you need a username & a password in that

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justinh:

e.g. mysql -u root -p$password < mc.sql

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GreyFoxx:

cipher_nemo_: That mc.sql does more than just create the database, it also creates the mysql login user

[20:25:47]

GreyFoxx:

so it's probably complaining that the user is already created

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GreyFoxx:

or as justin said, you might be missing the root user password

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justinh:

or just the root user. not all default mysql installs have root passwords

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cipher_nemo_:

ah, ok, I'll try that... it tried the Debian instructions since none listed for ubuntu

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justinh:

what?!

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cipher_nemo_:

access denied for root, I guess I'll have to temporarily add root user to mythtv group?

[20:28:55]

justinh:

cipher_nemo_: you've confused mysql users with linux users

[20:29:01]

justinh:

they're not the same

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cipher_nemo_:

ah, duh me

[20:29:19]

cipher_nemo_:

I have mysql password saved... using that

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justinh:

cipher_nemo_: when it said access denied for root what did it say exactly?

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cipher_nemo_:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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justinh:

and it won't work without a password either?

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justinh:

I can't remember what ubunut does with the mysql root password. must keep it somewhere for safe keeping (no, not /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt)

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justinh:

it's easy enough to change it though

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cipher_nemo_:

same error regardless if I use sudo in front or not, and regardless of password for su access or mysql database generated password. Let me double check mysql generated password for etc

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justinh:

you don't use linux passwords for mysql accounts

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justinh:

mysql usernames are just mysql usernames

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justinh:

mysql user 'root' is not anything rooty in your system :)

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justinh:

there's not even any need to run mysql operations as sudo

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justinh:

(unless you're starting/stopping/restarting the server)

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cipher_nemo_:

password was in /etc/mythtv/sql.txt

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cipher_nemo_:

DBHostName=localhost

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cipher_nemo_:

DBUserName=mythtv

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cipher_nemo_:

DBName=mythconverg

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cipher_nemo_:

DBPassword=(mypassword)

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cipher_nemo_:

so I know my password is correct for mysql

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justinh:

that'd be the mythtv mysql user's password though, not the root mysql user's password

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cipher_nemo_:

ah

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cipher_nemo_:

how do I go about finding/changing the mysql root password?

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justinh:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resett . . . issions.html

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tank-man:

cipher_nemo_, google "reset mysql password"

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cipher_nemo_:

thx justinh

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justinh:

"Ne-Yo denies Panettiere romance rumours". aye. that's cos she's at my house these days

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Pogonip___:

In lircrc there's Program, button, config, is there a list of available mythtv configs somewhere?

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tank-man:

Pogonip_, maybe you are looking for "keys.txt" ?

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** justinh suspects tank-man has programmed his keyboard :) **

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justinh:

don't overdo the helps if I were you. I did & got burned out. still keeps happening too

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Pogonip___:

Let me take a look, thanks for the tip.

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justinh:

Pogonip___: keys.txt is handy for knowing what to make config = FOO lines look like

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cipher_nemo_:

justinh: I'm getting a permission denied, then a usage output (ie: not in the right format) when I'm trying to kill the mysql process using... sudo kill `cat /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid`

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justinh:

use init scripts

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cipher_nemo_:

k

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justinh:

e.g. sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop

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justinh:

you should read the mythtv community docs in the ubuntu web thingy

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justinh:

dunno if they cover that though

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cipher_nemo_:

the script worked, the process is stopped. I was following the directions of the link you gave me, hence the kill by pid method

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justinh:

IMHO mythtv packages should never appear in synaptic.. it's a highway to hell installing it that way if you're not already completely familiar with the workings

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justinh:

well, at least not til it's a whole lot easier to install & configure..

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Hoxzer:

Hmm, My does some buttons of my remote control work eventhough lirc isn't runnign ?

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cipher_nemo_:

justinh: I installed it with apt-get, not synaptic app manager

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cipher_nemo_:

justinh: any reason why I get this now? ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)

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justinh:

because mysql isn't running?

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cipher_nemo_:

this was after trying mysql -u root -p$password < mc.sql. How do I start the mysql server again without restarting?

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justinh:

e.g. sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start

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justinh:

if with ubunut's gui thing for services

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justinh:

s/if/or

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cipher_nemo_:

ok, I started the server again. I'm still getting access denied when running "mysql -u root -p$password < mc.sql" again, even though I followed steps to reset the root password for mysql

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cipher_nemo_:

I assume that -p$password is where I entered my password, otherwise it prompts me for it

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cipher_nemo_:

this might be a whole lot easier if I just remove mysql and start over. I assume the install for mysql will generate a password for me and report it to me or in some file? I don't use mysql for any databases other than mythtv.

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cipher_nemo_:

justinh: thanks for helping. It's just too confusing to get some help here, then try to pick up with a mysql or mythtv article you give me in a link, then pick up again with you. Either one or the other seems to be best instead of jumping around. Thanks again, I'm heading out to work on this.

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[R]:

i'm trying to get svideo output on my nvidia card working... and not having much luck... its all like crappy looking with wavy lines and such... anyone have any idea how to fix this?

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justinh:

[R]: it's not a GF4 or higher, I'm guessing...

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[R]:

its an 8400

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[R]:

it worked on my old 5500 just fine

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[R]:

same tv

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justinh:

other than checking your xorg.conf I can't suggest much really. Maybe you've got anewer driver & the xorg config options have changed...

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[R]:

i can't find any options

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justinh:

options like TVOutputFormat..

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[R]:

yeah

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[R]:

i'm using that

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[R]:

it works... it just looks like crap

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eYeLez:

guys i need an honest opinion, when i first came about building a media center i had linux in mind but my project went south when the ati drivers were incompatible with kernel 2.6.23 on fedora 8.. at that time i gave up and tried mediaportal on windows xp.. to be honest i really like mediaportal but something inside of me it saying you still didnt try mythtv and you should try it.. has anyone tried both mediaportal and mythtv and comment o

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justinh:

in my experience it's either worked or it hasn't – or in the case of pre gf4 cards, looked like shite

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[R]:

hrm

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justinh:

eYeLez: mediaportal seemed slow & unstable (not to mention hard to configure) to me

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[R]:

this is annoying

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eYeLez:

justinh i thought mediaportal was a bit slow too

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justinh:

[R]: what res are you running X at?

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BULLE:

justinh: well, pre gf4 the nvidia chips didnt have built in tv encoder, so it realy was depending upon what encoder the card manufacturer put on, but yes, most seemed to pick some horrible broktree chip

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[R]:

i have it all setup nice and sweet... press the power button on my remote and it laucnhes a new server on the tv... and then when that dies... it switches back to server 0

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tafkaz:

hi there....so keen on getting my fingers on mythpython...and now it doesnt compile

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[R]:

justinh: its 1024x768... but i've tried all the others

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tafkaz:

any help ? i get Please set the following variables:

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tafkaz:

PYTHON_INCLUDE_PATH

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tafkaz:

PYTHON_LIBRARY

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justinh:

[R]: dunno then sorry

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tafkaz:

after cmake .

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eYeLez:

when is 0.21 or 0.20.3 expected?

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** justinh is refusing to help any mythpython heresy continue **

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tafkaz:

tried every eport i could think of...

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** BULLE dont even know what mythpython is **

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tafkaz:

justinh, did i miss something ?

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tafkaz:

:-)

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tafkaz:

ooohhh...

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justinh:

tafkaz: look on the -dev list

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justinh:

dunno if the post has anything to do with your problem but it'll be a start

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tafkaz:

ok i'll do taht !

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tafkaz:

thanx

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eYeLez:

justinh which distro you running?

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BULLE:

if you want to use python, why not use some of the mediacenter thingies written in python ?

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[R]:

i wonder if i install ubuntu to see if its a confi problem on my end

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tafkaz:

oh justinh i know that post....

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tafkaz:

that is not the prob...laga managed to get cmake to run...

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tafkaz:

i simply have a problem getting cmake to find some python varaibles

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tafkaz:

and i know not einugh about these variables

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tafkaz:

so i thought, as it seems to be a highly awaited addon for mythtv i could meet someone here that could point me to the right direction

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** gbee starts a guerilla campaign to re-write every python plugin in c++ **

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tafkaz:

lol

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tafkaz:

ok..got cmake running

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sjkwizard:

hi..i've an old analog pinnacle pctv card and i've installed and configured mythtv but when i try to scan for channel it doesn't find any channel, it's a bug?

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Dave123-road:

sjkwizard, did you configure it as the right type of card?

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stiev3:

are there sort of "what to buy if you were building from scratch today" updated guides available anywhere? Or would a n00b be pretty confident in his hardware selection after reading most of the wiki?

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Dave123-road:

stiev3, the mythtv docs give some guidelines

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stiev3:

Dave123-road, ok I'll start there. And finish the wiki afterwards, but I wouldn't mind copying someone's working systems hardware exactly if that sort of thing is available on a common forum or something.

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Dave123-road:

stiev3, let me dig something up...

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Dave123-road:

stiev3, here is my set up http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:BigDaveyL

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stiev3:

Dave123-road, ah, yes this is what I was looking for, I appreciate it.

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Dave123-road:

i don't do hdtv or anything and just get the standard channels

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escher9694:

ah, a fellow Gentoo user

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Dave123-road:

escher9694, yes, gotta love gentoo

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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escher9694:

definitely

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escher9694:

Dave123-road, how do you connect to your home theater? S/PDIF?

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Dave123-road:

escher9694, right now i just go through the TV

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black_Nightmare_:

I know this might be a long shot but any of you have or know of dual-input crt?

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Dave123-road:

but i think i can get something for my sound blaster to do digital

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clever_:

black_Nightmare_: i have an lcd with vga and dvi in

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clever_:

black_Nightmare_: and a few crt's have multiple in(crt/component type stuff)

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escher9694:

I had a cheap envy24? card that was working well. Had to swap out the mobo, and it has left me with only 2 PCI slots. The sound & capture cards seem to conflict now...

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stiev3:

Dave123-road, no problem, anything that minimizes the number of unsupported hardware returns the better. And starting from a general use working system is ideal for me at least, not intending to do anything fancy.

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black_Nightmare_:

hm well I was just wondering about being able to use one monitor with two complete different (but both having vga) platform systems without having to bother with kvms/etc ^_^

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black_Nightmare_:

thats why I asked clever

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clever_:

ah

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clever_:

some monitors may have 2 vga inputs

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clever_:

just have to look arround some more

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black_Nightmare_:

yeah thanks anyhow ;)

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clever_:

a kvm might be cheaper though

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black_Nightmare_:

clever..hmm do you even know if there's any wall-powered 2- or 4- computer one?

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black_Nightmare_:

because the issue to start with is although both systems may have the same vga .. they have complete different inputs (ps/2 verus abd .. enough said :p)

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black_Nightmare_:

hm heh anyone think this really looks like a controllerless windows-only card? http://cgi.ebay.com/ActionMedia-ISA-56K-Modem . . . cmdZViewItem

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black_Nightmare_:

I mean..just ONE lousy ic .. thats not a good sign

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clever_:

.

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clever_:

black_Nightmare_: my KVM has several output options

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clever_:

black_Nightmare_: usb ps2 and SUN(and maybe others)

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clever_:

http://rose.com/htm/c-cable.htm

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black_Nightmare_:

clever...ah hmm mind if I ask the brand...

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clever_:

'Available in PC, Sun, Apple, USB, and others'

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black_Nightmare_:

oh..meh.. *looks*

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clever_:

the kvm end looks like a lpt

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clever_:

then theres a kvm->monitor cable which i have ending in vga+sun

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black_Nightmare_:

yeah that cable looks nice.. the first two 'ultracable' options are just what type I need I guess

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clever_:

the usb emulates a keyboard&mouse in the same plug

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clever_:

something im working on atm

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clever_:

wiring 2 KVM ports into the SAME pc

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clever_:

and then make the linux treat them as 2

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black_Nightmare_:

hm nice

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black_Nightmare_:

you know...

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black_Nightmare_:

from time to time I always wondered about the good design of the apple adb

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clever_:

ive managed to get 2 seperate X servers running on seperate video cards

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black_Nightmare_:

pc needing seperate keyboard&mouse ports and anything else like tablets always had to go to serial or eventually usb .. contrast to the adb where everything just chained into one single port ^_^

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clever_:

but i need to figure out how to get 2 seperate usb devices(identical ones) to go to certain X servers

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clever_:

SUN has a keyboard serial and mouse serial(2 seperate pins) in the same plug

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clever_:

and the mouse plugs into the keyboard

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black_Nightmare_:

yeah that as well

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clever_:

http://pinouts.ru/Inputs/keyboardsun_pinout.shtml

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clever_:

great site

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black_Nightmare_:

yeah I've kept pinouts.ru on hand for a few too many uses myself :p

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mchou:

ppl still use analog modems?

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mchou:

or ISA, for that matter?

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clever_:

mchou: some of my isa slots are broken and other pc's dont even have isa

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mchou:

AFAIK almost all ISA modems have controllers......

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clever_:

but one of my pc's totaly lacks a PCI but also

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mchou:

clever, I was referring to black_Nightmare_'s fleabay link

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clever_:

ahh

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black_Nightmare_:

I'm pointing out I can't believe people still try sell window modems or the alike of anyhow

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clever_:

lol

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black_Nightmare_:

anyway..suppertime so be back later ;)

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sjkwizard:

can i use xmltv with an analog card?

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CrevilO:

What's the most user-friendly distribution to use for mythtv?

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CrevilO:

I've tried a few in the past, but they all have their downsides – I guess knoppmyth was pretty good, but not enough window manager included for me

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black_Nightmare_:

back

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black_Nightmare_:

who was mentioning about analog modems again?

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lucidblue:

CrevilO: mandriva 2008.0 worked awesome

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** lucidblue is having thanksgiving dinner now! **

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Dave123-road:

lucidblue, have fun

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CrevilO:

excellent, may as well give that a shot

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