| Tuesday, November 20th, 2007, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:15] | gogzmer: | yup, it's latest |
| [00:00:42] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, gogzmer's card == baaad ;) |
| [00:00:51] | gogzmer: | only in linux... |
| [00:01:17] | gogzmer: | both tuners work just fine in Win...and I think I had it working OK in Ubuntu Edgy as well |
| [00:01:25] | Kazan: | hmm |
| [00:01:33] | Kazan: | if it works fine in windows it's a driver issue |
| [00:01:40] | iamlindoro_: | Well, now at elast you know where to start... ivtv folks might be able to shed more light |
| [00:01:54] | Kazan: | http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Troubleshooting |
| [00:03:17] | iamlindoro_: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3654846 |
| [00:03:29] | iamlindoro_: | No solution, but you're not alone :) |
| [00:03:44] | gogzmer: | lol |
| [00:03:46] | gogzmer: | wonderful |
| [00:05:23] | Kazan: | switch to Fedora :P |
| [00:05:27] | Kazan: | it's what my box runs |
| [00:05:33] | iamlindoro_: | gogzmer, do a ivtvctl -d /dev/video0 -p 6 -f width=720,height=576 -u 1 |
| [00:06:00] | iamlindoro_: | then see if you can get anything out of the first tuner |
| [00:06:08] | Kazan: | ooh clever |
| [00:06:13] | AngryElf: | dr_lulz: lirc will only start if I set the script that starts it to S99, last — but then myth doesn't use it :/ |
| [00:06:30] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [00:06:36] | iamlindoro_: | only if it works ;) |
| [00:06:37] | Kazan: | chkconfig lircd on |
| [00:06:54] | Kazan: | he may not have ivtvtools installed |
| [00:06:58] | Kazan: | they're not incldued with the kernel |
| [00:07:06] | gogzmer: | it didn't like the -p flag |
| [00:07:11] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, should tell him what to apt-get if he doesn't |
| [00:07:18] | gogzmer: | i grabed them |
| [00:07:43] | gogzmer: | "invalid option — p" |
| [00:07:50] | BigJ: | can anyone help me setup the database? |
| [00:07:52] | iamlindoro_: | try without |
| [00:08:47] | gogzmer: | it didn't like any of the options other then the -d |
| [00:09:01] | iamlindoro_: | yarrrr, what'd they do to ivtvctl? |
| [00:09:35] | gogzmer: | no man page either |
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| [00:10:40] | AngryElf: | is there another way to automatically start myth with the computer than putting mythfrontend in .gnomerc? |
| [00:10:56] | iamlindoro_: | about a hundred |
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| [00:11:50] | iamlindoro_: | gogzmer, you are using coax for both inputs, correct? |
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| [00:12:13] | iamlindoro_: | And you have scanned channels/attached a listings source to both inputs, right? |
| [00:12:29] | gogzmer: | yup...only 1 physical(co-ax) input to the card |
| [00:12:33] | iamlindoro_: | oh, right |
| [00:12:40] | gogzmer: | channels all scan out correctly |
| [00:12:55] | Anduin: | gogzmer: newer ivtvs use v4lt2-ctl |
| [00:12:58] | gogzmer: | found this: "In the newer releases of ivtv (>=ivtv-0.8) most these options have been moved to v4l2-ctl. The syntax should be almost the same" |
| [00:13:00] | iamlindoro_: | hrmmmm |
| [00:13:10] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, then use that with above syntax, then try tuning |
| [00:13:15] | iamlindoro_: | anduin, thanks |
| [00:13:24] | gogzmer: | lol |
| [00:14:33] | gogzmer: | where can I get that tool? |
| [00:14:36] | gogzmer: | apt? |
| [00:14:42] | iamlindoro_: | have you tried running it? |
| [00:14:47] | gogzmer: | (and if so, what package) |
| [00:14:52] | gogzmer: | yeah...command not found |
| [00:15:06] | iamlindoro_: | sure you spelled it right? |
| [00:15:15] | gogzmer: | v4lt2-ctl |
| [00:15:22] | iamlindoro_: | Right. You didn't. |
| [00:15:28] | AngryElf: | iamlindoro_: would you like to recommend another? |
| [00:15:40] | iamlindoro_: | v4l2-ctl |
| [00:15:44] | AngryElf: | preferably one that kicks myth off after lirc so that myth can use it? |
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| [00:15:55] | iamlindoro_: | AngryElf, what distro? |
| [00:16:03] | AngryElf: | ubuntu |
| [00:16:06] | iamlindoro_: | Your init scripts are probably the right way to do |
| [00:16:07] | iamlindoro_: | er go |
| [00:16:12] | iamlindoro_: | and put it after lirc there |
| [00:16:24] | AngryElf: | i didn't think i could start MFE from /etc/rc2.d |
| [00:16:33] | iamlindoro_: | ah, frontend, my bad |
| [00:16:54] | iamlindoro_: | In your system preferences, there is one called Sessions, put it there |
| [00:16:54] | gogzmer: | With ubuntu, have a Myth user auto login |
| [00:17:08] | iamlindoro_: | gogzmer, only if you install from packages |
| [00:17:27] | iamlindoro_: | Sessions->Startup Programs |
| [00:17:32] | Kazan: | ooh i think i have revamp working |
| [00:17:39] | iamlindoro_: | Probably about as late as you can make it by putting it there |
| [00:17:57] | iamlindoro_: | Or write a script to sleep it for a bit, then run mythfrontend, and put the script in sessions |
| [00:18:13] | iamlindoro_: | or figure out why lirc is starting so slow |
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| [00:19:52] | gogzmer: | Ok, so, here's what I did, and what the response was::~$ v4l2-ctl -d /dev/video0 -f width=720,height=576 |
| [00:19:52] | gogzmer: | Frequency set to 0 (0.000000 MHz) |
| [00:20:44] | Kazan: | ivtvtune 2 |
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| [00:26:10] | cMh: | can anyone reccomend a good place online to buy a Hauppaunge pvr-500? |
| [00:27:03] | gogzmer: | heh...out of curiosity, what OS do you plan to use it with? |
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| [00:27:09] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
| [00:27:22] | cMh: | Fedora Core 7 |
| [00:29:23] | Kazan: | i have the new mythweather revamp working |
| [00:29:32] | Kazan: | though.. it does scale up the images to use all the space they could on my widescreen |
| [00:29:36] | Kazan: | it is still fairly decent |
| [00:30:11] | gogzmer: | Well, the card works just fine. I can "cat /dev/video1 > test.mpg" and play it in MPlayer just fine |
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| [00:30:21] | gogzmer: | on both tuners |
| [00:30:24] | Kazan: | so.. we fixed it :D |
| [00:30:25] | Kazan: | yay |
| [00:30:27] | mzb_d800: | grr ... had lirc working great on both boxes, but (thought I) had to rebuild to get both remote receivers working at the same time ... now I'm back to the old "this device driver does not support the new LIRC interface" problem. |
| [00:30:40] | gogzmer: | i don't know if we fixed it...let's see what myth does with it |
| [00:30:43] | mzb_d800: | is anyone familiar with the actual meaning of this error? |
| [00:30:51] | Kazan: | if it works at test should work fine in myth |
| [00:31:06] | Kazan: | myth interfaces with it in the same was as everything else |
| [00:31:09] | Kazan: | except it stores the results |
| [00:31:31] | gogzmer: | m'k...so if I re-setup the tuners, it should work? |
| [00:31:38] | Kazan: | yeah |
| [00:31:47] | Kazan: | you may have to do that v4l2-ctl -d ... every time |
| [00:32:02] | ** directhex upgrades his backend ** | |
| [00:32:11] | Kazan: | oh.. and make sure to set resolution to 720 x 576 in your MPEG2 sources recording profiles |
| [00:32:15] | Kazan: | otherwise you WILL expirience corruption |
| [00:32:22] | Kazan: | ALWAYS use a hauupauge cards native resolution |
| [00:33:11] | mzb_d800: | I'm currently using 0.8.0 ... but was using 0.8.3 cvs previously (now I can't get either to work) ... I need devinput, serial and network drivers on a single machine |
| [00:33:32] | Kazan: | why did you go to an older version |
| [00:35:57] | mzb_d800: | because 0.8.3 CVS didn't want to play by my rules |
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| [00:36:51] | mzb_d800: | I have a custom kernel, and building with drivers=all b0rk3d on gpio driver ... I have been able to build by removing gpio from the make process |
| [00:36:58] | mzb_d800: | but I still get the same error |
| [00:37:05] | mzb_d800: | trying a clean build now |
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| [00:39:19] | mzb_d800: | (after removing _everything_) |
| [00:40:02] | gogzmer: | I cant set the recording profile to 720 x 576 |
| [00:40:15] | gogzmer: | I can only go to 720 x 480 |
| [00:40:32] | Anduin: | gogzmer: That is for PAL |
| [00:40:39] | gogzmer: | what is it for NTSC? |
| [00:41:45] | Anduin: | gogzmer: That dialog has the proper bounds (480) |
| [00:41:56] | mzb_d800: | PAL is x576, NTSC is x480 |
| [00:42:14] | directhex: | we get a better resolution, and lower framerate |
| [00:42:17] | mzb_d800: | also, PAL=25fps, NTS=29.97fps(?) |
| [00:42:20] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb...and don't forget fps too |
| [00:42:23] | black_Nightmare_: | meh :p |
| [00:42:24] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [00:42:52] | directhex: | it's something like 30000/1001 fps, if memory serves |
| [00:42:57] | MythNoob: | can some one please answer a question for me |
| [00:43:03] | jedix: | is there a way to get mythfilldatabase to rewrite the data? |
| [00:43:05] | mzb_d800: | yep ... something crazy ;) |
| [00:43:12] | directhex: | --efresh-all |
| [00:43:13] | directhex: | i think |
| [00:43:44] | jedix: | thanks |
| [00:44:18] | MythNoob: | can i use mythtv with my dish network setup ? |
| [00:44:54] | directhex: | MythNoob, yes, but you need to use your dish set-top box too – i.e. myth will record from the set-top box, and pretend to be a remote control to change channels on that box |
| [00:45:51] | MythNoob: | ok good i know that much , another question , can i used it with the Dvico FusionHDTV5 RT ? |
| [00:46:30] | directhex: | atsc? |
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| [00:47:04] | directhex: | yes. |
| [00:47:09] | directhex: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCI_Cards |
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| [00:48:43] | MythNoob: | as per the card specs , it should work but it doesnt |
| [00:48:48] | dramman: | I want to set up a mythtv (or freevo?) box, but it's a bit more involved than I thought it would be |
| [00:49:35] | MythNoob: | here is another question , is a schedulesdirect.org account essintial for it to work ? |
| [00:49:48] | directhex: | dramman, mythtv is fairly involved to install. freevo isn't, but is a very different kind of project |
| [00:49:56] | directhex: | MythNoob, in america, yes, pretty much |
| [00:50:15] | mzb_d800: | nope ... same problem with 0.8.3 CVS ... can't for the life of me remember how I fixed this last time |
| [00:50:15] | GreyFoxx: | dramman: It touches on a lot of different components and varies from location to location and on lots of different hardware so it can be complicated or simple depending on your particular setup |
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| [00:50:44] | GreyFoxx: | MythNoob: The software will function without scheduling info, but you loose a lot of the usefulness without program listings |
| [00:50:57] | MythNoob: | i signed up for an account with schedulesdirect.org . but im still unable to get any picture |
| [00:51:17] | directhex: | it's all a lot easier in europe really |
| [00:51:21] | directhex: | dvb-t, eit, done |
| [00:51:39] | dramman: | Figured I'd start by just putting together a linux box with a TV-out card – but a search on ebay shows a whole heap of VGA-TV cables – is that all that's needed, any old cruddy vga card & an adapter cable? |
| [00:52:12] | directhex: | dramman, no, that generally will only work on a small subset of TVs, and will be hell to get X.org to display properly |
| [00:52:26] | bsdfox: | VGA->tv isn't that simple of a conversion |
| [00:52:46] | iamlindoro: | Haha, this is about 20 too late, but glad to see that fixed the PVR 5000 |
| [00:52:48] | iamlindoro: | er 500 |
| [00:52:57] | directhex: | bsdfox, you can do ->rgb relatively easy. ignoring the modeline issues & Sync-On-Green requirement |
| [00:52:57] | bsdfox: | you should be able to get a tv-out capable card on ebay for < $10 |
| [00:53:04] | gogzmer: | yeah...it gets a fairly good signal now |
| [00:53:12] | gogzmer: | thanks |
| [00:53:33] | iamlindoro: | Sweet, np |
| [00:54:11] | dramman: | ok, so I need to buy a PCI card with TV-OUT as I originally thought – or is it better (cheaper, simpler) to get a DVB-T card with TV-OUT built in? |
| [00:54:34] | directhex: | no, that's a very bad route to go down. graphics card is best |
| [00:54:53] | directhex: | i don't know whether they even manufavtured any fully-featured dvb-t cards |
| [00:54:59] | directhex: | dvb-s yes, not seen dvb-t |
| [00:55:02] | mzb_d800: | gf4 minimum if you want xvmc |
| [00:55:25] | mzb_d800: | I think one of the mx4?0 series came out in PCI format |
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| [00:56:44] | mzb_d800: | xvmc saves at least 10% cpu during playback on a p3–866 ... which is significant on slow machines |
| [00:57:01] | mzb_d800: | was it the mx460 ? |
| [00:57:15] | bsdfox: | I have a pci mx440 |
| [00:57:21] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [00:57:39] | bsdfox: | was using it in my main system til a week ago :P |
| [00:57:44] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [00:58:11] | mzb_d800: | I'm guessing it has a more important job to do these days ;) |
| [00:58:29] | dramman: | How do I make sure the TV-OUT cards on ebay are linux compatible? |
| [00:59:18] | iamlindoro: | by buying an nVidia :) |
| [00:59:40] | iamlindoro: | assuming you mean a graphics card with TV out |
| [00:59:45] | mzb_d800: | don't get mx400 |
| [00:59:47] | dramman: | yeah |
| [00:59:56] | mzb_d800: | or radeon |
| [01:00:13] | mzb_d800: | or matrox (unless you want to make your life difficult) |
| [01:00:40] | mzb_d800: | a pci card with tv out that uses mx420, mx440, mx460 or higher |
| [01:00:42] | brockp: | whats the state of HD playback on unichrome chips ? |
| [01:00:48] | iamlindoro: | pooooorrrrrr |
| [01:00:49] | degreseven: | pvr-150 MCE work fine with myth, right? |
| [01:00:55] | brockp: | while your on card things |
| [01:00:59] | iamlindoro: | degree, yes |
| [01:01:00] | gogzmer: | degreseven, yes |
| [01:01:18] | degreseven: | k, thought I remembered seeing somewhere that the MCE version had something weird with it =) |
| [01:01:34] | iamlindoro: | let me elaborate. Poor, shit, crap, ass,"haha." |
| [01:01:57] | brockp: | really that bad? |
| [01:02:03] | iamlindoro: | oh my yes |
| [01:02:08] | dramman: | sorry – mx420, 440, 460 is good or bad? |
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| [01:02:42] | iamlindoro: | dramman, I think those should be fine... might use a slightly older nvidia driver if memory serves |
| [01:03:06] | brockp: | thats right those era cards use older drivers |
| [01:03:21] | mzb_d800: | dramman: for the 3rd or 4th time: get an nvidia pci card with tv out that uses mx420, mx440, mx460 or higher |
| [01:03:22] | brockp: | i use a ti 4400 from the same generation, and the newer drivers dont support them |
| [01:03:27] | iamlindoro: | brockp, it doesn't help that if you're using a unichrome chipset you're probably using a via processor too, which is extra-bad/probably impossible for most HD |
| [01:03:57] | brockp: | Im not right now, im looking for something really small and no power no openings to drywall into a wall |
| [01:04:05] | iamlindoro: | Mac Mini |
| [01:04:07] | directhex: | brockp, one of our users made slashdot – http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/19/0544204 |
| [01:04:17] | directhex: | mac mini! |
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| [01:04:55] | iamlindoro: | Get 'em before Jobs kills 'em ;) |
| [01:04:57] | brockp: | thats GA tech though not close to the UK at all |
| [01:05:18] | directhex: | brockp, research by a visiting researcher from oxford |
| [01:05:41] | bsdfox: | I'd try to get a 5200 if you can |
| [01:05:45] | brockp: | yeah thought about mac mini, but mroe power than i want, In all reality the thin clinet for mister house (another issue) but i saw www.fiire.com and was curious |
| [01:05:49] | bsdfox: | that way you can run current drivers |
| [01:06:03] | brockp: | oh jezz you expect me to RTFA what do you take me for? |
| [01:06:24] | iamlindoro: | brockp, if you want the oomph for HD, you are gonna need to expend more power |
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| [01:07:21] | mzb_d800: | s/power/$/ ;) |
| [01:07:26] | brockp: | iamlindoro, isn't it odd that they are saying the box supports 1080p (yes p) but its a via + unichrome |
| [01:07:52] | iamlindoro: | Sure, fmpeg it to 5–6 fps and it'll support any resolution you want :) |
| [01:08:06] | AngryElf: | okay, i I still can't get MFE started automatically w/ lirc support on Ubuntu — has anyone been able to do this? |
| [01:08:09] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure that just means it will support a monitor res of 1920x1080 |
| [01:08:32] | iamlindoro: | because NO box can guarantee 1080p, even a quad... You jack the bitrate up high enough and even that will shoke |
| [01:08:57] | kormoc: | AngryElf, maybe it's scared of you being so angry |
| [01:09:03] | AngryElf: | yes that's it |
| [01:09:11] | brockp: | for those who dont know the box im talking about is here: |
| [01:09:12] | brockp: | http://fiire.com/fiire-station.php |
| [01:09:15] | iamlindoro: | AngryElf, yes, on many systems :) |
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| [01:09:40] | brockp: | its built for linuxMCE which uses Myth internally allot i guess, but dont use MCE or Pluto my self, |
| [01:09:43] | AngryElf: | iamlindoro: any suggestions? lirc is starting up fine, but MFE starts w/o lirc support |
| [01:09:50] | brockp: | well time to bust out the Altix then right? 32 core? |
| [01:10:02] | directhex: | brockp, altix does poorly for media in my benchmarks |
| [01:10:18] | directhex: | it's all the hand-tuned per-arch assembler in libavcodec it misses out on |
| [01:10:24] | brockp: | lack of vga/dvi/hdmi is a problem |
| [01:10:26] | iamlindoro: | angryelf, well I think you said you already tried running your frontend as a script that starts with a short sleep? |
| [01:10:35] | AngryElf: | iamlindoro: yup, no dice there |
| [01:10:37] | directhex: | brockp, we have vga! |
| [01:10:44] | AngryElf: | ubuntu sessions doesn't work either |
| [01:10:47] | brockp: | directhex, doesn't your altix enoguh cpus to make up for it? |
| [01:10:50] | brockp: | You bum! |
| [01:10:51] | AngryElf: | tried mythwelcome too, no luck |
| [01:10:56] | brockp: | i have rs232 :) |
| [01:11:12] | gogzmer: | anyone in here familiar with tvtime by any chance? |
| [01:11:14] | directhex: | brockp, we insisted on vga in our tender, so we have firegl cards O_o |
| [01:11:16] | iamlindoro: | Herm, I'd say you have a different problem then... no reason it shouldn't be up by then... need to see why it's taking lirc so long to start. Even on my quad, it's up in more than enough time |
| [01:11:27] | iamlindoro: | might try moving it higher in the boot order, I guess |
| [01:11:42] | AngryElf: | if I move it any sooner then it doesn't start |
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| [01:12:15] | brockp: | dont you need a prism brick to support fireGL cards though? |
| [01:12:18] | iamlindoro: | What lirc module? |
| [01:12:34] | directhex: | brockp, nah, the IO bricks have a pair of half-height PCIe slots in |
| [01:12:46] | iamlindoro: | and nothing enlightening in the startup mythfrontend log? |
| [01:12:55] | brockp: | **hit self in face** you are right |
| [01:13:11] | brockp: | what do you use it for? |
| [01:13:22] | iamlindoro: | ie, change your mythfrontend startup line to include -l logfile and see what it says... usually there is a line about laoding lircrc, etc. |
| [01:13:23] | directhex: | brockp, it made sense at the time! |
| [01:13:37] | directhex: | brockp, mostly for debugging. screens are handy when debugging |
| [01:14:11] | brockp: | telnet managementport.uk |
| [01:14:16] | brockp: | Ctl+T |
| [01:14:17] | brockp: | ? |
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| [01:15:04] | directhex: | well, good theory. in practice the L1s keep acting screwy, vga is easier |
| [01:15:23] | brockp: | what did you do to your 1million$ box..... |
| [01:15:27] | directhex: | and how else would i know what a smooth suse desktop experience 152 cores offers? :) |
| [01:15:46] | brockp: | I hate you some times..... |
| [01:16:02] | brockp: | **goes and runs make -j 32** |
| [01:16:27] | directhex: | the sgi moves to the new datacenter on thursday |
| [01:16:41] | brockp: | that been going smooth? |
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| [01:19:29] | Kernel: | hmm any ideas why im not getting anything off my /dev/video0 ? ive got a pvr-150 its been working..then all of a sudden it isnt playing. when i cat /dev/video > test.mpg for about 30 seconds...the file size is 0. |
| [01:19:39] | Kernel: | i dont seem any error in dmesg |
| [01:19:52] | gogzmer: | ivtv may have died |
| [01:20:12] | Kernel: | grep -i ivtv /var/log/messages doesnt show any ivtv error either. |
| [01:20:32] | gogzmer: | video signal went away perhaps? |
| [01:21:39] | Kernel: | hmm other tv's in the house are working. |
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| [01:21:50] | Kernel: | hmm now in dmesg i see : cx25840 1–0044: 1x2 is not a valid size! |
| [01:22:04] | Kernel: | google returned nothing. |
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| [01:23:35] | brockp: | has anyone every used pxeboot and run diskless slave frontends? |
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| [01:25:02] | hjohnson: | not for myth, but I did for an xterm years ago. |
| [01:25:32] | brockp: | it would work in theory right? |
| [01:26:22] | directhex: | in theory, sure |
| [01:26:31] | directhex: | i think someone in here was doing it, i forget whom |
| [01:26:48] | directhex: | brockp, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/g . . . oto-0011.jpg |
| [01:26:58] | brockp: | and then onto find the smallest box able |
| [01:27:21] | brockp: | 4 tile wide cold isle? |
| [01:27:31] | directhex: | yeah |
| [01:27:41] | brockp: | you have enough air flow? |
| [01:28:02] | directhex: | don't look at me, we're joint-owners of the room with the physics department, and they did lots of whizzy fluid flow simulations |
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| [01:29:08] | brockp: | really now, how tall is your raised floor? |
| [01:29:19] | directhex: | probably 600mm |
| [01:29:25] | directhex: | that's about the norm |
| [01:30:02] | brockp: | 1.5 ft, ok |
| [01:30:20] | brockp: | yeah im curious how it all goes for you once you have all your gear on |
| [01:30:35] | ** hjohnson keeps blowing a circuit breaker in the office.. it's a pain in the arse. ** | |
| [01:30:47] | directhex: | if you read about a facility without working fire suppression burning down on hpcwire.com, you have your answer |
| [01:30:54] | hjohnson: | but then, this amplifier draws 15 amps while idle, so that goes without saying. |
| [01:31:09] | ** directhex hands hjohnson a 16A commando socket ** | |
| [01:31:53] | brockp: | haha |
| [01:32:00] | brockp: | not even a water system? |
| [01:33:07] | brockp: | when we first turned on our datacenter, we were testing the 6MWatt ups system, well the generators never turned off. |
| [01:33:11] | brockp: | so we thought that was bad |
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| [01:34:26] | hjohnson: | generally |
| [01:34:46] | hjohnson: | brockp: did you ever hear what happened to an exodus facility in Seattle? |
| [01:34:58] | brockp: | no i did not |
| [01:35:30] | directhex: | brockp, in theory it's reduced oxygen. in practice, the amateurs who built the system forgot to factor in minor details in their nitrogen flow calculations... like the 6 rackus... |
| [01:35:33] | hjohnson: | seattle light employee was working on a 44kV line outside the facility, drops it on the 4kV line feeding the colo. |
| [01:36:06] | directhex: | 55 rack data canter, and they sodding forgot that it would be air conditioned |
| [01:36:29] | brockp: | those reduced oxygen systems are $$$$$$ |
| [01:36:39] | brockp: | granted unlike ours you dont eat all your equipment |
| [01:36:45] | hjohnson: | initially bridges accross the surge supression gear, vapourizes much of the UPS, and blows out the primary winding on the backup generators. |
| [01:37:04] | brockp: | ouch.... |
| [01:37:07] | mzb_d800: | AARRGGH ... lirc is driving me insane! |
| [01:37:10] | directhex: | oddly, it was a cheap option compared to many alternatives. i think gear-eating suppression was vetoed by the university insurers though |
| [01:37:33] | directhex: | then again, once they finally get it working, we'll be the first university data facility *ever* with fire suppression of any kind! |
| [01:37:42] | brockp: | i never thought about those details, i dont know if it was ever thought of |
| [01:37:45] | hjohnson: | as the surge supression gear finally burns out, the surge is absorbed by amazon's E10k database servers, and some other high-value clients. |
| [01:38:08] | directhex: | hjohnson, sunfires? someone was doing them a favour :| |
| [01:38:11] | hjohnson: | if you're going to do reduced oxygen, your system needs to also kill the A/C system, and cause an immediate system-wide shutdown. |
| [01:38:17] | brockp: | yeah kill the e10k's |
| [01:38:22] | brockp: | did them a favor |
| [01:38:23] | hjohnson: | directhex: this is back in the days when the E10K was king. |
| [01:38:46] | hjohnson: | '95 or '96 |
| [01:38:52] | brockp: | i guess..... jstore removed their last 2 from our data center a while back |
| [01:39:11] | directhex: | hjohnson, i don't know what kind of monitoring we have from the fire suppression. i won't even ask until it actually, y'know, works |
| [01:39:24] | hjohnson: | grr.. how am I supposed to test this amplifier.. |
| [01:39:34] | hjohnson: | every time I enable the RF output, the circuit breaker trips. |
| [01:40:06] | brockp: | can you pull 220 to the amp? |
| [01:40:14] | directhex: | this will sound silly, but: move it to the kitchen |
| [01:40:31] | directhex: | certainly in the UK, kitchens are on a 32A ring, to drive the heavy kit like fridges and so on |
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| [01:40:59] | brockp: | i didn't know that, thats cool |
| [01:41:45] | directhex: | i think ring main requirements in the US are somewhat less... trying to think of something that doesn't make me sound like a snob here... high amperage? |
| [01:42:10] | brockp: | most things are 20 (18 in practice) |
| [01:42:40] | brockp: | every place i ever lived, you have your own breaker for fridge, |
| [01:42:58] | directhex: | 20A as well as half the voltage? O_o |
| [01:43:09] | brockp: | at my parents place we could blow the power, and the fridge would stay on |
| [01:43:12] | directhex: | that strikes me as awfully wishful thinking |
| [01:43:15] | brockp: | i guess... |
| [01:43:35] | brockp: | cant get by on less than 2200W ? |
| [01:43:36] | hjohnson: | brockp: we could, if we had a 220 circuit nearby. |
| [01:43:40] | gogzmer: | kitchen circuits are more than 20amp |
| [01:43:55] | gogzmer: | "normal" wall outlets in the US are 15amp |
| [01:44:14] | brockp: | what are they then? I just figured they were all 20, |
| [01:44:23] | brockp: | well ill go look |
| [01:44:24] | hjohnson: | yeah, most normal circuits in north america are 15A, kitchen 20, stove 30A @ 220, Clothes dryer 30 or 40A, |
| [01:44:34] | hjohnson: | hot water tank (if you have electric hot water) is also 40A |
| [01:44:47] | gogzmer: | there ya go |
| [01:45:05] | hjohnson: | 220 is obtained by using both phases. |
| [01:45:24] | ** directhex hates electric for heating things ** | |
| [01:45:33] | hjohnson: | (electrical is delivered as two 120VAC phases, 180 degrees out of phase. |
| [01:45:53] | hjohnson: | so if you go phase-phase, you have 230, phase->Neutral 120) |
| [01:46:06] | brockp: | yeah, its just 20 in the kitchen, and your right, all the outlets are 15 amp |
| [01:46:44] | AngryElf: | where can I get a list of .mythtv/lircrc config options? |
| [01:47:46] | brockp: | It just matches the keyboard key: |
| [01:47:47] | brockp: | # Pause |
| [01:47:47] | brockp: | begin |
| [01:47:48] | brockp: | prog = mythtv |
| [01:47:48] | brockp: | button = PAUSE |
| [01:47:49] | brockp: | repeat = 3 |
| [01:47:51] | brockp: | config = P |
| [01:47:53] | brockp: | end |
| [01:47:55] | brockp: | whoops.... |
| [01:48:01] | directhex: | trying to think now. tomorrow (well today, judging by the time :|) there's not much happening, tomorrow integration work starts properly on those clusters, thursday is the move for the sgi racks and probably our old 16xopteron smp machine for test purposes |
| [01:48:36] | directhex: | they should have finished fibre termination into the room this afternoon, so i can actually get an intarweb connection. o at least get our switching stack configured |
| [01:48:45] | brockp: | yeah we have a short week for thanksgiving, |
| [01:48:58] | brockp: | and given just got back from SC07, it was kinda a slacker month... |
| [01:50:10] | directhex: | i hear sc07 sucked |
| [01:50:32] | brockp: | nothing earth shattering for sure, |
| [01:50:47] | brockp: | the best thing we learned about was iWARP |
| [01:51:38] | evilint: | anyone have experience with myth and the twinhan ad sp400 dvb-s2 card? |
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| [01:52:28] | directhex: | evilint, no dvb-s2 in linux yet |
| [01:52:37] | directhex: | right, it's marching towards 2am, i need my beauty sleep |
| [01:52:42] | evilint: | i use it in -s mode |
| [01:52:48] | evilint: | got it running with dvbstreamer |
| [01:53:03] | evilint: | but myth cant find a signal |
| [01:53:11] | brockp: | latter have a good night |
| [01:53:29] | brockp: | ill go back to my embeded mister house project, |
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| [01:55:48] | leprechau: | ...brb...kernel update... |
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| [02:00:02] | ** hjohnson is not looking forward to the next two weeks.. ** | |
| [02:00:28] | hjohnson: | I have to integrate our RF gear to dishes that we've never seen before, test it, train the customer, and packet it onto aircraft pallets... |
| [02:00:52] | hjohnson: | so we need to do mechanical modifications, system testing, all this stuff, in front of the customer. |
| [02:01:51] | MythNoob: | could anyone help me , i am unable to retrieve linups in myhtv |
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| [02:02:24] | MythNoob: | i went and signed up @ schedulesdirect.org already |
| [02:02:58] | MythNoob: | ?? |
| [02:03:42] | MythNoob: | anyone ?? |
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| [02:07:48] | kormoc: | MythNoob, and you followed the instructions on how to add your SD account to your myth-tv setup? |
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| [02:16:33] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... ok .. got lirc running again (I'm just too stupid for this kind of thing;) |
| [02:16:55] | mzb_d800: | and I've got two daemons running ... for separate receivers (long(er) story) |
| [02:17:09] | mzb_d800: | and a third daemon connecting to the other two |
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| [02:18:02] | mzb_d800: | I can connect to the first two with irw, but when I attempt to connect to the 3rd it crashes |
| [02:18:24] | mzb_d800: | any multi-receiver lirc users got a theory? |
| [02:19:54] | mzb_d800: | I'm following "Using multiple different devices simultaneously" in the lirc configure page |
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| [02:25:53] | mzb_d800: | even removing the 2nd daemon and attempting to connect to the 3rd gives the same result |
| [02:26:02] | mzb_d800: | must be something obvious I'm missing ;) |
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| [02:50:08] | Toxicity999: | Woooooot, Futurama movie. |
| [02:51:54] | mzb_d800: | ok, let me ask a different (lirc) question ... does anyone have experience using lirc over network? (ie. using listen+connect options) |
| [02:54:12] | GreyFoxx: | Toxicity999: They aren't out yet are they ? |
| [02:54:20] | Toxicity999: | GreyFoxx =] |
| [02:54:41] | Toxicity999: | *cough* yes... well... |
| [02:54:52] | cmoates: | mzb_d800, I've had lirc issues where simply rebooting would fix the problem, for no good reason, as well as module load order issues |
| [02:54:57] | Toxicity999: | Private Trackers for the win? ;P |
| [02:55:03] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh ok |
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| [02:55:33] | mzb_d800: | cmoates: yes, I can believe that ... however ... I'm reasonably sure both the remotes are working |
| [02:55:50] | mzb_d800: | (haven't actually gone downstairs to test the 2nd one yet) |
| [02:56:30] | mzb_d800: | I'll try another reboot anyway ... and get ready to test the other receiver |
| [02:56:37] | cmoates: | Hrm |
| [02:56:46] | cmoates: | I hate the very idea of "reboot to fix a problem" |
| [02:56:49] | cmoates: | But... :/ |
| [02:56:52] | mzb_d800: | me2 ;) |
| [02:57:01] | mzb_d800: | but I often use them for "sanity" ;) |
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| [03:02:22] | MythNoob: | can someone please help me |
| [03:02:22] | BigJ: | if my digital receiver has a USB port will I most likely be able to control it through usb and lirc? |
| [03:02:58] | kormoc: | lirc is for infrared, not usb |
| [03:03:12] | BigJ: | right |
| [03:03:18] | BigJ: | forgot about that |
| [03:03:32] | tgow: | i have a theoretical question about HD / SD in mythtv for multiple tuners. if i want certain channels to be from tuner A and other channels from Tuner B (say i want SD for HBO, since it's otherwise encrypted, but also HD for a set of other channels) can this be done in a relatively simple way? |
| [03:03:52] | cmoates: | You can set tuner priority |
| [03:03:54] | tgow: | in the mythguide or whatnot. |
| [03:04:05] | cmoates: | And only make certain channels available on the "better" tuner |
| [03:04:08] | tgow: | i see. nice |
| [03:04:12] | tgow: | this pleases me |
| [03:04:13] | mzb_d800: | ok, I've got the 3 daemons running ... doing "irw /dev/lircd0" works fine for remote #1 .... doing "irw /dev/lircd1" to test receiver #2 ... brb5 |
| [03:04:48] | cmoates: | BigJ, the USB port on most tuners (cable boxes) are non functional |
| [03:05:03] | tgow: | ok. and if i have a tuner w/ an ir receiver I can use that one tuner to control other things on the box (or so it seems), yes? |
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| [03:05:28] | kormoc: | tgow, huh? |
| [03:05:31] | cmoates: | Could you be more specific? |
| [03:05:34] | cmoates: | That wasn't very clear |
| [03:05:35] | tgow: | sure |
| [03:05:37] | tgow: | sorry |
| [03:06:13] | tgow: | what i mean is. say my tuner A (PCI) has a IR receiver. can i set lirc to use that receiver to control tuner B via myth / lirc ? |
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| [03:06:25] | cmoates: | Sure |
| [03:06:31] | tgow: | or would i need a seperate USB receiver or the like? |
| [03:06:39] | cmoates: | The IR receiver, for all intents and purposes, is a "separate device" from the tuner |
| [03:06:56] | kormoc: | tgow, receivers receive, not transmit, so how would it control a second tuner? |
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| [03:07:01] | tgow: | awesome |
| [03:07:12] | tgow: | cmoates answered it, I think. |
| [03:07:13] | cmoates: | I think he means two internal cards |
| [03:07:16] | tgow: | yes. |
| [03:07:18] | tgow: | i do :) |
| [03:07:19] | cmoates: | Not two external cable boxes |
| [03:07:24] | tgow: | sorry. no, internal cards |
| [03:07:37] | tgow: | cmoates assumed correctly. |
| [03:07:38] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [03:07:46] | tgow: | ya, it's kinda late for me i guess :( |
| [03:07:50] | cmoates: | That being said |
| [03:07:56] | cmoates: | Is it a hauppage card with the receiver? |
| [03:08:10] | tgow: | i haven't bought my tuners yet, i am still in research phase. |
| [03:08:30] | tgow: | i am contemplating the pchdtv 5500(?) |
| [03:08:33] | cmoates: | As I understand it, the hauppage IR receivers build onto the cards don't necessarily like remotes other than the one that came with it |
| [03:08:38] | tgow: | since it can do NTSC and QAM and ATSC |
| [03:08:42] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... no output from lircd1 :| |
| [03:08:57] | cmoates: | mzb_d800, are all your lirc command lines correct? |
| [03:09:01] | tgow: | weird. i have a universal (harmony) remote i will likely use. |
| [03:09:04] | cmoates: | reading the diff devices, creating the diff outputs, etc? |
| [03:09:05] | mzb_d800: | afaik |
| [03:09:09] | iamlindoro: | Heh... Article on /. about how libflac has a security hole on 14 platforms, and that ffmpeg uses it... Too bad it doesn't... But it's only a matter of time before someone comes in and asks how myth is affected by this |
| [03:09:20] | kormoc: | tgow, keep in mind, that NTSC will be software encoded and tends to use up a lot of cpu and look kinda crappy |
| [03:09:29] | tgow: | hmm. |
| [03:09:29] | cmoates: | mzb_d800, the MCE version of the 150 comes with a USB receiver, instead of an onboard one, and it will deal with other emotes, apparently |
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| [03:09:33] | tgow: | crap. |
| [03:09:41] | mzb_d800: | I've had the serial receiver working for a while, and was using the kworld on the other mythbox for a while (devinput0 |
| [03:10:02] | tgow: | i have a 2Ghz core duo for this box which will hopefully help :-) |
| [03:10:07] | mzb_d800: | cmoates: serial + devinput (usb) |
| [03:10:13] | cmoates: | right |
| [03:10:20] | cmoates: | hm |
| [03:10:27] | cmoates: | I'm really rusty at this whole mess |
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| [03:10:36] | cmoates: | But I recall a lot of consternation getting my 3 devices to cooperate nicely |
| [03:10:46] | cmoates: | serial ir blaster, USB MCE device, and firefly |
| [03:11:04] | tgow: | kormoc, do you think it's worth me getting an analog tuner for the short time analog *might* be around? i'd like to do 2 tuners (either ones that can do both hd and sd or one of each, I guess) |
| [03:11:12] | cmoates: | And it mostly, as I recall, came down to me not haivng the devices loading in the same order as the scripts |
| [03:11:15] | mzb_d800: | I'll try another remote config for the kworld ... I don't recall which was correct |
| [03:11:21] | cmoates: | Well |
| [03:11:25] | cmoates: | You can use mode2 instead of irw |
| [03:11:31] | kormoc: | tgow, the only analog that is going away anytime soon is OTA stuff. Cable Co's are not required to give up analog |
| [03:11:32] | cmoates: | That'll show you raw IR, regardless of the config |
| [03:11:48] | mzb_d800: | but regardless, without trying to use the kworld, the network daemon shouldn't be crashing |
| [03:11:56] | cmoates: | I concur with kormoc, tgow, cable companies will offer analog for a good while yet |
| [03:11:58] | mzb_d800: | it's not creating /dev/lirc |
| [03:12:05] | kormoc: | tgow, so it depends on your sources then anything else |
| [03:12:30] | cmoates: | Are you specifying the device each instance of lirc should create? |
| [03:12:36] | tgow: | kormoc, ok. so getting the analog card is ok. my source (as of now) is gonna likely be either my STB (comcast) or the coax from the wall. i was considering OTA HD (ATSC) |
| [03:12:45] | mzb_d800: | I've tried by disabling the 2nd receiver, and only connecting the network daemon to the first instance ... it still crashes |
| [03:13:00] | cmoates: | need to run upstairs, bbiaf |
| [03:13:02] | tgow: | it seems that nothing supports hdmi from STB to myth tuners |
| [03:13:05] | cmoates: | tgow, I really like the HDHomeRun |
| [03:13:07] | kormoc: | tgow, you might just want to look into firewire directly from the cable box, no tuner needed and can do HD and SD |
| [03:13:10] | cmoates: | It's not cheap, but it works really well |
| [03:13:13] | hjohnson: | kormoc: now of course, they'll probably want to ditch their analog as soon as they can, so they can convince as many customers as possible to rent the digital set top boxes. |
| [03:13:35] | mzb_d800: | cmoates: http://openpaste.org/en/3978/ |
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| [03:13:46] | tgow: | kormoc, ooooo so i could use firewire to receive channels as well as control the box? |
| [03:13:47] | cmoates: | hjohnson is right, they are using the OTA analog deadline to mislead customers into thinking analog cable will go away too, or that is how I see it anyhow ;) |
| [03:13:54] | kormoc: | hjohnson, it's too many customers right now, so sure, they'll put pressure on it, and will likely slowly raise the analog rates till it goes away entirely, but it won't be poof, gone |
| [03:13:59] | cmoates: | tgow, some, yes, depending on your area |
| [03:14:09] | kormoc: | tgow, there's a chance, aye |
| [03:14:09] | cmoates: | mzb_d800, loaded the link, I'll brb |
| [03:14:12] | mzb_d800: | http://openpaste.org/en/3979/ |
| [03:14:13] | mzb_d800: | ok |
| [03:14:26] | kormoc: | tgow, depends on your cable co, and your subscription plan |
| [03:14:30] | tgow: | i see. i had read it's mandated by the FCC that it should be available at least on request. |
| [03:14:39] | kormoc: | tgow, only for OTA channels |
| [03:14:43] | tgow: | currently i'm comcast digital |
| [03:14:47] | hjohnson: | kormoc: they'll also eliminate as many channels as they can from analog cable |
| [03:14:54] | kormoc: | tgow, it's just in some area's (Seattle), they'll give you them all (or almost all) |
| [03:15:07] | tgow: | humm. |
| [03:15:15] | tgow: | i guess i need to call and ask or assume no |
| [03:15:33] | kormoc: | hjohnson, it will be a slow process tho, too many people with analog only sets |
| [03:15:37] | tgow: | is it just me or is the amount of information for HD tuners vs SD etc is just mind blowing? |
| [03:15:46] | tgow: | i mean *gosh* |
| [03:16:30] | kormoc: | welp, I'm out for a bit |
| [03:16:37] | tgow: | i'd like to get a HD lcd and HD service, but it seems to add a whole extra layer of stuff to do / learn |
| [03:16:41] | tgow: | thx kormoc, |
| [03:16:42] | tgow: | :) |
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| [03:17:30] | tgow: | so cmoates, you said you like the HDHomeRun ? 2 HD tuners, but no analog / SD I think. |
| [03:17:38] | cmoates: | Correct |
| [03:18:03] | cmoates: | I have a PVR 150, the HDHR, and a PCI DVB card (that I used before the HDHR) |
| [03:18:15] | cmoates: | Generally speaking, most of what we want to watch is on fox/abc/cbs/nbc |
| [03:18:19] | cmoates: | So the HDHR can tune those |
| [03:18:42] | cmoates: | mzb_d800, your third line there, it's trying to use /dev/llrcd and not /dev/lirdc2 |
| [03:18:47] | tgow: | HDHR via coax (cable) or ATSC ? |
| [03:18:50] | cmoates: | Is that how you intended? |
| [03:18:54] | cmoates: | QAM Cable, comcast |
| [03:19:13] | cmoates: | The locals are broadcast over my cable in unencrypted QAM, so I use that |
| [03:19:17] | cmoates: | I'm in a really bad location to do OTA |
| [03:19:30] | tgow: | i know it varies by location, but do you have a lot of encrypted channels or is it mostly just the premium ones? |
| [03:19:31] | cmoates: | I'd need 3 directional antennae |
| [03:19:45] | mzb_d800: | cmoates: that's the intention ... what's wrong with that? |
| [03:19:47] | cmoates: | For HD, everything outside of pbs/nbc/cbs/abc/fox is encrypted |
| [03:20:05] | cmoates: | There are some SD digital channels that aren't scrambled |
| [03:20:10] | cmoates: | But nothing extraordinary |
| [03:20:14] | tgow: | do you go via the STB to your tuner or just from the wall ? |
| [03:20:20] | cmoates: | from the wall |
| [03:20:30] | tgow: | so those channels (HBO, discovery) need to be watched via SD I guess. |
| [03:20:31] | cmoates: | The PVR150 (SD analog) uses a digital cable box |
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| [03:20:36] | cmoates: | correct |
| [03:20:40] | mzb_d800: | cmoates: ie: I want that to be the "master" device |
| [03:20:50] | cmoates: | mzb_d800, nothing necessarily |
| [03:20:59] | cmoates: | Just was inconsistent, so I wasn't sure if it was your intent |
| [03:21:37] | mzb_d800: | I only added lirc2 out of desperation (it defaults to /dev/lirc otherwise) ... neither of which work |
| [03:21:40] | tgow: | cmoatesl; do you like the 150 for SD or would you do something different if trying again? |
| [03:21:55] | cmoates: | I actually intend to buy another 150 |
| [03:21:57] | tgow: | i've been lookin at 150/250/350 |
| [03:21:58] | cmoates: | So... ;) |
| [03:22:05] | tgow: | ok then |
| [03:22:09] | cmoates: | If you want two SD tuners |
| [03:22:13] | cmoates: | The PVR500 is probably a better deal |
| [03:22:18] | mzb_d800: | so the idea is that the two "real" receivers are "0" and "1" ... and the master (network) daemon is not numbered |
| [03:22:27] | cmoates: | gotcha, mzb |
| [03:22:31] | mzb_d800: | but I've tried every method I can think of |
| [03:22:35] | mzb_d800: | and none work |
| [03:22:38] | cmoates: | hm |
| [03:22:43] | mzb_d800: | the network daemon doesn't work |
| [03:22:47] | cmoates: | and you're sure your lirc properly supports the network stuff? |
| [03:22:52] | tgow: | cmoates, i am gonna buy a hd lcd panel at some point (16:9) and would like to do some HD if i can I think. |
| [03:22:54] | cmoates: | I mean, if you run it all by itself, does it cooperate? |
| [03:23:10] | cmoates: | tgow, even without an HDTV, if you record a show in HD, it will look better on your SDTV |
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| [03:23:22] | cmoates: | The big problem there is disk space, HD is much bigger than SD |
| [03:23:28] | mzb_d800: | starting to think it doesn't ... I hacked out the gpio stuff (it wouldn't build) and then did a --driver=all |
| [03:23:41] | hjohnson: | cmoates: which is why I'm pondering adding another 2.5TB of storage |
| [03:23:48] | cmoates: | If you strace that lircd, can you tell how it's crashing? |
| [03:24:08] | cmoates: | Yeah, my 1.2TB is "ok" for HD |
| [03:24:16] | cmoates: | But I wouldn't object to adding more |
| [03:24:26] | tgow: | cmoates, ya. all the new TVs are HD anyway (either 720 or 1080) so imma do that. the issue then, for me, is that SD is 4:3 and the TV is 16:9 if i use SD (or at least that's my understanding) |
| [03:24:42] | iamlindoro: | Thought I would be good forever with 2.25 Tb.... Then I started ripping HDDVD/Blu-ray... oy |
| [03:24:47] | mzb_d800: | cmoates: hmm .. ok |
| [03:24:48] | cmoates: | It'll be the opposite of letterboxed |
| [03:24:55] | cmoates: | Black bars on the sides instead of the top, tgow |
| [03:25:06] | hjohnson: | cmoates: i'm at 1.2 right now too |
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| [03:25:22] | cmoates: | I have another 2TB that I could mount via NFS |
| [03:25:32] | tgow: | cmoates, ya, which is why since i will mostly watch HD stuff (the main networks) i will benefit from the non-letterboxing |
| [03:25:34] | cmoates: | But I'm afraid that A) it'll be too slow and B) I'll get annoyed that TV is in the way of my filestore |
| [03:25:48] | cmoates: | tgow, gotcha |
| [03:26:12] | cmoates: | But, this is an upgrade (1.2T) from 320G, so I figure it'll hold me for now |
| [03:26:40] | cmoates: | mzb_d800, out of curiosity, is there a #lirc channel :) |
| [03:26:46] | cmoates: | Might have better luck there |
| [03:27:17] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [03:27:22] | tgow: | cmoates, is ir blasting difficult to set up in myth? I used to have a replay tv (it died) so i will probably do the SD via the STB if i can, since a lot of the channels (even SD digital) are probably scrambled (HBO etc) and then do HD coax from the wall for the main QAM stuff |
| [03:27:30] | mzb_d800: | stale lock file ! |
| [03:27:34] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* |
| [03:27:43] | mzb_d800: | thanks for the strace suggestion :) |
| [03:27:43] | tgow: | poor mzb :( |
| [03:27:45] | cmoates: | tgow, for what it's worth, my replay still works, and the wife still prefers it :/ |
| [03:27:51] | tgow: | lol |
| [03:27:53] | cmoates: | mzb_d800, cool |
| [03:28:10] | cmoates: | And yes, tgow, you can absolutely control the stuff via lirc |
| [03:28:15] | tgow: | it appears i have lost everything (dead drive) and need to reinstall so i figured i'd start anew |
| [03:28:23] | cmoates: | But, lirc isn't necessarily the easiest piece of software in the world |
| [03:28:25] | cmoates: | As for your dead drive |
| [03:28:27] | cmoates: | That's not an issue |
| [03:28:29] | mzb_d800: | errr |
| [03:28:34] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [03:28:35] | cmoates: | You can buy a new blank 250GB disk and download an image |
| [03:28:43] | tgow: | cmoates, i know. but my shows are gone :( |
| [03:28:44] | cmoates: | And revive your replay |
| [03:28:48] | cmoates: | yes, that's true :) |
| [03:28:50] | mzb_d800: | I can see the remote codes when I use strace, but still bombs on irw :( |
| [03:28:52] | tgow: | it was 250GB! |
| [03:28:59] | cmoates: | Ah |
| [03:29:03] | tgow: | i forgot to archive it recently via dvarchive |
| [03:29:06] | cmoates: | 250GB is plenty for SD, IMHO |
| [03:29:16] | cmoates: | forgot? got lazy ;) |
| [03:29:22] | tgow: | ya. i just bought a 2Gz core duo and 500G drive for this set up |
| [03:29:26] | tgow: | yes. lazy |
| [03:29:31] | ** tgow kicks self ** | |
| [03:29:35] | cmoates: | Not that I can talk, I have never backed up the replay |
| [03:29:40] | cmoates: | Of course, I don't consider TV worth backing up |
| [03:29:47] | tgow: | let me go ahead and recommend that, m'kay. |
| [03:29:55] | cmoates: | ;) |
| [03:29:58] | tgow: | i had all of the PBS war series saved |
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| [03:30:00] | tgow: | :( |
| [03:30:06] | cmoates: | alas |
| [03:30:07] | tgow: | hadn't started it yet tho |
| [03:30:12] | cmoates: | it's PBS, they repeat often, no? |
| [03:30:22] | tgow: | they did for a couple weeks.... |
| [03:30:24] | tgow: | not sure about now, though |
| [03:30:31] | hjohnson: | cmoates: there are certain things that I like to keep around.. archive the simpsons, doctor who, battlestar galactica |
| [03:30:32] | tgow: | it's $70 on dvd at costco.... |
| [03:30:46] | cmoates: | hjohnson, yeah, a lot of people like to save TV, I'm a watch-once type person |
| [03:30:52] | tgow: | but it *was* free. |
| [03:31:09] | tgow: | i like to record for a long time, and then watch it back to back |
| [03:31:10] | cmoates: | I buy DVD's, but only because it's cheaper than going to the movies |
| [03:31:12] | tgow: | which i cannot do. |
| [03:31:13] | hjohnson: | of course, the dvds are usually better quality |
| [03:31:15] | cmoates: | I still only watch DVD's once |
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| [03:31:36] | tgow: | so i'm hoping w/ myth i can do the whole archive everything thing :) |
| [03:31:41] | mzb_d800: | yep, premature celebration |
| [03:31:45] | cmoates: | doh |
| [03:31:49] | mzb_d800: | (not ejaculation;) |
| [03:31:53] | tgow: | and i don't want to pay for tivo3 |
| [03:31:55] | cmoates: | That's good, at least |
| [03:31:56] | tgow: | hah |
| [03:31:58] | mzb_d800: | http://openpaste.org/en/3980/ |
| [03:32:18] | cmoates: | Honestly, I'll probably get hell for this in here, but I'm seriously considering T3 over Myth |
| [03:32:23] | cmoates: | Because of the WAF |
| [03:32:35] | ** hjohnson is pondering the purchase of a 3ware SATA RAID card, 5 500GB HDs, and a microway 5-in-3 drive bay. ** | |
| [03:32:35] | tgow: | lol |
| [03:32:37] | cmoates: | mzb, looking |
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| [03:32:45] | hjohnson: | T3? |
| [03:32:47] | tgow: | cmoates, i just bought all my hardware :( |
| [03:32:51] | cmoates: | Tivo Series 3 |
| [03:32:53] | tgow: | WAF. |
| [03:32:54] | tgow: | haha |
| [03:32:54] | hjohnson: | ahh |
| [03:33:02] | tgow: | my wife seems fairly technical |
| [03:33:07] | cmoates: | Mine is not |
| [03:33:10] | tgow: | so it's not a huge issue |
| [03:33:11] | tgow: | i mean |
| [03:33:18] | tgow: | she has no idea about CLI and such |
| [03:33:22] | cmoates: | She uses linux on her desktop, but only because her computer use revolves around firefox and pidgin |
| [03:33:25] | hjohnson: | I like the idea of hacking an AppleTV though |
| [03:33:26] | tgow: | but she can work a remote |
| [03:33:35] | tgow: | through many many menus etc |
| [03:33:36] | hjohnson: | even though the ATV can't do 1080i/p |
| [03:33:46] | cmoates: | at all? |
| [03:33:48] | mzb_d800: | my configure was: ./configure --with-x --with-driver=all --with-port=0x2f8 --with-irq=3 --with-transmitter --with-syslog |
| [03:33:51] | cmoates: | It has HDMI out and can only do 720p? |
| [03:33:58] | hjohnson: | cmoates: yeah |
| [03:34:02] | cmoates: | :( |
| [03:34:07] | hjohnson: | afaik.. it just doesn't have the CPU power to do 1080 |
| [03:34:10] | iamlindoro: | not enough oomph for more than that |
| [03:34:13] | tgow: | cmoates, it's not hugely encouraging to be in a mythtv room and hear (read) ohh imma get the T3... :-p |
| [03:34:32] | cmoates: | tgow, the feeling about Tivo3 is probably not popular ;) |
| [03:34:48] | hjohnson: | it's just a 1 GHz Core Solo, IIRC |
| [03:34:50] | tgow: | heh. it was like $599 at circuitcity |
| [03:34:59] | cmoates: | They are $299 now |
| [03:35:02] | cmoates: | For the basic model |
| [03:35:03] | iamlindoro: | Pentium M |
| [03:35:07] | cmoates: | But it's only 180G disk |
| [03:35:07] | tgow: | kinda over priced + monthlies |
| [03:35:16] | hjohnson: | oh, it will do 1080i |
| [03:35:21] | tgow: | i like $20/year better :) |
| [03:35:42] | iamlindoro: | with Apple's stuff... good luck making it do that when you've loaded linux and myth on it :) |
| [03:36:18] | hjohnson: | iamlindoro: I wouldn't load linux on it. |
| [03:36:21] | iamlindoro: | Just cause you can make it output 1920x1080 doesn't mean it can keep up a usable frame rate |
| [03:36:26] | cmoates: | mzb_d800, that default_init() seems suspicious |
| [03:36:34] | hjohnson: | I'd just run mythfrontend as an application under the FrontRow software |
| [03:36:42] | tgow: | so, any comments on the pcHDTV 5500 .... ? besides the NTSC software encoding |
| [03:36:50] | iamlindoro: | ...huh? |
| [03:37:17] | tgow: | i had asked before about it and got a response about SD / NTSC being software encoded but no other feedbak |
| [03:37:23] | mzb_d800: | daemons/hw_default.c |
| [03:37:38] | cmoates: | tgow, while I don't know anything about it specifically, it's sold on www.mythic.tv |
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| [03:37:47] | cmoates: | And he only tends to sell stuff he's willing to offer support for |
| [03:37:57] | cmoates: | (hence his particularly small selection of hardware) |
| [03:37:59] | hjohnson: | iamlindoro: run MythFrontend on the OS X install on the appleTV |
| [03:38:14] | hjohnson: | there's a hack so you can just pick it out using the remote from the appleTV's interface/shell |
| [03:38:16] | tgow: | cmoates, i've seen a few reviews and generally it's a love / hate sorta thing. |
| [03:38:20] | mzb_d800: | Nov 20 14:28:12 loungetv lircd-0.8.3-CVS[4041]: could not get file information for /dev/lirc |
| [03:38:20] | mzb_d800: | Nov 20 14:28:12 loungetv lircd-0.8.3-CVS[4041]: default_init(): No such file or directory |
| [03:38:36] | iamlindoro: | Well *that* can't possibly run well |
| [03:38:45] | iamlindoro: | but who am I to stop you? :) |
| [03:38:52] | cmoates: | The guy who runs the mythic site probably would answer an email if you asked him |
| [03:39:07] | cmoates: | He's a member of our local linux users group, runs that site just for myth people |
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| [03:39:31] | cmoates: | Is there a /dev/lirc, mzb? |
| [03:39:35] | mzb_d800: | no |
| [03:39:37] | tgow: | hmm |
| [03:39:45] | mzb_d800: | it's not creating the network socket |
| [03:39:51] | mzb_d800: | just browsing code now |
| [03:39:52] | iamlindoro: | I have an HDTV 5500 |
| [03:39:54] | brockp: | is it posable to pxeboot over wireless? |
| [03:39:56] | iamlindoro: | Works perfectly |
| [03:40:12] | tgow: | iamlindoro do you use it for HD only or both HD / SD ? |
| [03:40:18] | iamlindoro: | plug and play in all Ubunti since Edgy, great QAM HD support |
| [03:40:19] | cmoates: | brockp, depends |
| [03:40:22] | iamlindoro: | HD only |
| [03:40:26] | tgow: | iamlindoro, ok. |
| [03:40:34] | hjohnson: | iamlindoro: it actually runs quite well |
| [03:40:36] | mzb_d800: | hmmm: "file could be unix socket, fifo and native lirc device" |
| [03:40:46] | brockp: | cmoates, so its posable cool, so i just have to look for the right hardware |
| [03:40:48] | iamlindoro: | hjohnson, have you done so? |
| [03:41:00] | cmoates: | brockp, your best bet is getting an AP that can operate as a client |
| [03:41:06] | hjohnson: | iamlindoro: saw a video of it |
| [03:41:15] | iamlindoro: | I still don't buy it. Not for anything more than SD |
| [03:41:16] | cmoates: | brockp, and then connecting that to an ethernet port on the back of the machine you want to pxeboot |
| [03:41:17] | tgow: | i think imma get a haupauge 150 and the 5500 and set priority for the HD on the local stations and SD the rest, I guess. |
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| [03:41:38] | tgow: | i appreciate the input. |
| [03:41:46] | brockp: | cmoates, not quite sure what you mean, im looking for something very small (prob diskless) to mount in a wall, |
| [03:41:55] | hjohnson: | what would be interesting is if you could make it use Apple's video Codecs, which are more efficient than the open source ones. |
| [03:42:00] | hjohnson: | (namely apple's h.264 codec |
| [03:42:09] | cmoates: | brockp, they make wireless access points, I'm sure you've seen them, they are the size of maybe 2 packs of cigarettes |
| [03:42:15] | hjohnson: | given that it can easily do 720p H.264 |
| [03:42:17] | cmoates: | some of those can be configured to be a "client" instead |
| [03:42:30] | cmoates: | So they wil take whatever's plugged into their ethernet, and make it wireless instead |
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| [03:42:39] | iamlindoro: | tgow, my Master Backend has exactly those cards... live very nicely together |
| [03:42:46] | brockp: | so its like a AP but backwards? |
| [03:42:49] | cmoates: | Yes |
| [03:42:59] | cmoates: | Some AP's can be configured that way |
| [03:43:03] | tgow: | iamlindoro, awesome. im still in researching stage. (quite the lengthy stage to be honest) |
| [03:43:05] | cmoates: | I have some Airlink 101's, for example, that do this |
| [03:43:12] | brockp: | wacky, though i was trying to keep this really low cost |
| [03:43:22] | cmoates: | wireless and low cost? :) |
| [03:43:25] | brockp: | avoid extra hardware, and lower power low parts, |
| [03:43:25] | hjohnson: | though, to be honest, a mini might be a better STB, even though it doesn't have HDMI out. |
| [03:43:31] | iamlindoro: | heh, tgow, should work well... can't speak for any other distro, but both are absolutely plug and play in Ubuntu/derivatives |
| [03:43:35] | tgow: | iamlindoro, do you do HD via QAM or ATSC ? |
| [03:43:39] | iamlindoro: | QAM |
| [03:43:40] | tgow: | i'm thinkin mythbuntu |
| [03:43:45] | cmoates: | brockp, no way you can get ethernet in there, eh? It'll be faster and a lot easier/cheaper |
| [03:43:48] | tgow: | i like ubuntu |
| [03:43:56] | cmoates: | knoppmyth is solid |
| [03:44:05] | tgow: | more so than mythbuntu? |
| [03:44:05] | cmoates: | a bit more mature than mythbuntu/mythdora |
| [03:44:07] | brockp: | its a apt, for the next year or two there will be no hole in the wall |
| [03:44:08] | tgow: | heh |
| [03:44:15] | tgow: | *noted* |
| [03:44:28] | brockp: | and i cant run wires to it, when it would go in teh wall i could run wires, sigh... |
| [03:44:45] | cmoates: | We have lots of KM users in my area, but few MB/MD users, for whatever that's worth |
| [03:44:47] | tgow: | iamlindoro, STB or from the wall? |
| [03:44:56] | tgow: | also noted |
| [03:45:07] | tgow: | this is helping me way more than like 4 hours of www |
| [03:45:08] | tgow: | :) |
| [03:45:15] | iamlindoro: | You'll only get QAM HD from the wall, not through the stb. PVR-150 is to a stb, though |
| [03:45:20] | tgow: | as great as google is and all ... |
| [03:45:21] | cmoates: | You're just lucky I'm not feeling like making lirc work ;) |
| [03:45:56] | tgow: | iamlindoro, do you do firewire to the STB or blaster? |
| [03:46:02] | iamlindoro: | ir blaster |
| [03:46:02] | cmoates: | brockp, there may be PCI wireless cards with PXE bios, you'll have to research |
| [03:46:08] | tgow: | and output via coax? |
| [03:46:15] | iamlindoro: | no, s-video, higher quality |
| [03:46:27] | tgow: | s-video from the STB to the 150? *noted* |
| [03:46:27] | cmoates: | I do ir blaster/composite, my STB has no svideo :( |
| [03:46:31] | iamlindoro: | affirm |
| [03:46:39] | tgow: | ok |
| [03:46:41] | cmoates: | Of course, they gave me this stupid little STB |
| [03:46:42] | brockp: | ok thanks, not looking at wireless, any recommendations on a small low power box to fit into tight spots ? |
| [03:46:45] | tgow: | i think imma do what you have mostly, iamlindoro |
| [03:46:47] | cmoates: | It's like, 4"x4"x1" |
| [03:46:50] | cmoates: | with no display, nothing |
| [03:47:01] | cmoates: | brockp, mini-itz |
| [03:47:04] | cmoates: | err mini-itx |
| [03:47:08] | tgow: | iamlindoro, how powerful is your box? |
| [03:47:09] | tgow: | :) |
| [03:47:12] | iamlindoro: | yep, worked well for me... was about my fifth Myth box, but the first one that truly came together flawlessly |
| [03:47:23] | tgow: | that's promising |
| [03:47:27] | brockp: | like a c7 box? |
| [03:47:38] | iamlindoro: | Then I recently rebuilt it. Same tuners, but now Core 2 Quad, 4 GB ram, 2.25 TB array |
| [03:47:39] | cmoates: | brockp, are you looking to do HD or SD? |
| [03:47:49] | brockp: | only sd right now, |
| [03:47:55] | cmoates: | C7, yes |
| [03:48:01] | brockp: | but over the air hd eventually, |
| [03:48:05] | tgow: | iamlindoro, so do you use the 5500 for just the local channels? i'm kinda not wanting to get the 4:3 aspect of SD. |
| [03:48:11] | cmoates: | brockp, this is only to be a frontend? |
| [03:48:22] | brockp: | yeah, backend is packed with disk etc |
| [03:48:31] | cmoates: | brockp, you might consider an xbox |
| [03:48:38] | cmoates: | softmodded to run myth |
| [03:48:55] | iamlindoro: | tgow, yes. Two backends, each has an HD tuner and a SD tuner... HD tuners have highest priority and get all the network stuff in 16:9 720p/1080i, and the SD tuners pick up the remainder |
| [03:48:57] | brockp: | oh good point, but xbox does not have a serial or usb jacks right? |
| [03:49:03] | cmoates: | USB yes, serial no |
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| [03:49:16] | brockp: | so a touch screen is a option, |
| [03:49:23] | brockp: | if its usb based |
| [03:49:27] | cmoates: | I haven't experimented with that |
| [03:49:34] | cmoates: | But theoretically, I suppose |
| [03:50:03] | brockp: | cool, this is more a project to try and build some hack x10 stuff into a mythfrontend to do both |
| [03:50:03] | cmoates: | You could use usb->serial too |
| [03:50:04] | klpt: | anybody have any success slowing down the cdrom drive for quieter movie watching? |
| [03:50:04] | tgow: | iamlindoro, nice! i liike the whole priority thing. |
| [03:50:23] | brockp: | yes and i have one right next to my mac here i use for the IB switch at work arleady |
| [03:50:33] | tgow: | klpt, could you rip the movie and watch it later / quieter or is that too timely? :) |
| [03:50:44] | tgow: | or time consuming even... |
| [03:50:53] | iamlindoro: | tgow, yep, helps to have had a few cobbled together boxes because when I run into a problem, it's seldom the first time I've seen it |
| [03:50:57] | klpt: | i rip a lot of them |
| [03:51:02] | klpt: | but a lot of times friends come over with disks |
| [03:51:09] | klpt: | to watch on my badass system |
| [03:51:15] | klpt: | except... it's loud |
| [03:51:16] | tgow: | ya, understood. i am unsure how to slow the drive down offhand |
| [03:51:17] | klpt: | and annoying |
| [03:51:22] | klpt: | there's a command |
| [03:51:25] | cmoates: | I don't think you can directly? |
| [03:51:29] | tgow: | ya, ripping is the answer from me |
| [03:51:29] | klpt: | hdparm -E<speed> /dev/<cdromdevice> |
| [03:51:33] | iamlindoro: | I bvelieve there's a menu in there that will force it to run at x speed... let me check |
| [03:51:35] | tgow: | hmmm |
| [03:51:38] | klpt: | but it looks like it works |
| [03:51:38] | tgow: | neat |
| [03:51:40] | klpt: | and then it does nothing |
| [03:51:45] | cmoates: | DVD or CD? |
| [03:51:49] | klpt: | dvdrom |
| [03:52:42] | tgow: | iamlindoro, what happens if you have an SD channel (FOX) that does widescreen? will myth keep the 16:9 aspect in the mpeg? i would assume so. |
| [03:52:51] | cmoates: | yes |
| [03:53:00] | cmoates: | You'll have to zoom it thought |
| [03:53:02] | cmoates: | err though |
| [03:53:20] | cmoates: | Because SD is always 4:3, so it's 4:3 with black at the top and bottom, not truly 16:9 |
| [03:53:33] | iamlindoro: | tgow, yes, as cmoates says... I set mine to default to zoom... I send relatively little time watching SD so I prefer that it fill the screen |
| [03:53:59] | iamlindoro: | SD is painful once you get used to HD... especially at 106" |
| [03:54:08] | tgow: | haha |
| [03:54:09] | cmoates: | It's painful even at 50" :/ |
| [03:54:17] | tgow: | i'm lookin at a 46" 1080p set |
| [03:54:25] | cmoates: | which? |
| [03:54:32] | cmoates: | I'm in the market to replace my 50" |
| [03:54:47] | tgow: | sharp aquos, xbr4, or the regza I think ... |
| [03:54:50] | cmoates: | It has "issues" (it's a sony, go figure) and I was handed an estimate repair bill for $1400 |
| [03:54:58] | tgow: | damn! |
| [03:55:02] | iamlindoro: | owwie |
| [03:55:04] | cmoates: | So I'm just going to buy a 1080p set instead |
| [03:55:10] | cmoates: | It's only 3 years old, such a shame |
| [03:55:17] | tgow: | that is the suck. |
| [03:55:52] | iamlindoro: | speaking of HD, mmm, Heroes/Chuck/Journeyman tonight. |
| [03:55:53] | cmoates: | eh, what can you do |
| [03:55:55] | tgow: | i saw a broadcast today of house on fox (SD / comcast digital) and it said it was broadcast in "widescreen" |
| [03:56:02] | tgow: | heroes rox |
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| [03:56:13] | cmoates: | house is on monday now? |
| [03:56:13] | tgow: | journeyman = yes? |
| [03:56:18] | tgow: | no, it was a rerun |
| [03:56:20] | cmoates: | ah |
| [03:56:23] | tgow: | tomorrow it's on |
| [03:56:26] | tgow: | i dunno the normal time :) |
| [03:56:35] | iamlindoro: | For whatever crazy reason, Heroes seems to be in 1080 this season |
| [03:56:46] | tgow: | <-- SD / wouldn't know. |
| [03:56:55] | tgow: | hooray NTSC |
| [03:57:01] | iamlindoro: | At least here it is |
| [03:57:09] | tgow: | here is seattle? |
| [03:57:09] | iamlindoro: | Makes for nice archival :) |
| [03:57:15] | iamlindoro: | San Francisco area |
| [03:57:20] | ** tgow is in hotlanta ** | |
| [03:57:56] | cmoates: | ooh, atlanta |
| [03:58:02] | cmoates: | Run out of water yet? |
| [03:58:07] | cmoates: | I lived there a good while |
| [03:58:18] | tgow: | lol |
| [03:58:22] | tgow: | man we're gettin there |
| [03:58:37] | tgow: | i read 70–80 days left |
| [03:58:42] | tgow: | then we need to do some lanier filterin' |
| [03:58:53] | cmoates: | ugh |
| [03:58:58] | tgow: | heh |
| [03:59:02] | cmoates: | My buddy lives on the lake |
| [03:59:04] | cmoates: | Says it's really low |
| [03:59:08] | tgow: | wow yeah |
| [03:59:16] | tgow: | the marinas are like all dock and no water |
| [03:59:18] | tgow: | nuts |
| [03:59:23] | tgow: | i live 4 miles from 'the lake' :) |
| [03:59:44] | tgow: | cmoates, where ya at these days? |
| [03:59:48] | cmoates: | PA now |
| [03:59:53] | tgow: | heh i'm from NJ |
| [04:00:05] | iamlindoro: | tgow, the fun part about watching monday night TV on myth is setting up the high powered system to begin commflagging as soon as recording begins... then waiting 48 minutes into the first hour, and watching three hours straight without commercials, still finishing the last show while your friends do, heh |
| [04:00:05] | tgow: | toms river specifically |
| [04:00:16] | cmoates: | What's the name of the city near lanier that starts with a C |
| [04:00:17] | cmoates: | cumming? |
| [04:00:21] | tgow: | ya |
| [04:00:25] | tgow: | Cumming, GA |
| [04:00:36] | cmoates: | I have a friend with myth who lives there, he'd probably let you stop by to see it if you were interested |
| [04:00:47] | tgow: | iamlindoro, how is the commercial skip in myth? better than the 5040 replay units? |
| [04:00:56] | tgow: | i might be interested. :) |
| [04:00:57] | cmoates: | It's about on par with my rtv 4000 |
| [04:01:03] | iamlindoro: | tgow, I used to have a 5040... I would say it's as good or better... probably better |
| [04:01:10] | tgow: | sweet |
| [04:01:14] | tgow: | my 5040 just died |
| [04:01:25] | tgow: | so i took the opportunity (so to speak) to go myth |
| [04:01:50] | tgow: | i'll prolly still replace the drive and either keep or sell it depending my my myth exp. |
| [04:01:53] | tgow: | wow |
| [04:01:55] | tgow: | lots of mys |
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| [04:02:10] | cmoates: | my my my |
| [04:02:12] | tgow: | heh |
| [04:02:16] | tgow: | woops? |
| [04:02:21] | iamlindoro: | myth is great, but you've got to be a tinkerer to really enjoy the experience |
| [04:02:30] | cmoates: | tgow, you get my privmsg? |
| [04:02:49] | iamlindoro: | people who want MCE are going to be frustrated... people who can put in a little effort and enjoy the ride, and end up with something kickass... well, that's who it's for, I think |
| [04:03:15] | tgow: | cmoates, i just noticed it |
| [04:03:22] | tgow: | i'm using 'xchat' and i'm new to it :) |
| [04:03:30] | cmoates: | xchat is fantastic |
| [04:03:35] | iamlindoro: | In the last year, I sort of ran out of things to tweak within myth itself... everything just works and I seldom touch it... so I started writing lots of scripts to improve the experience. Lots of fun to be had there too. |
| [04:03:44] | tgow: | ya, used to be a religious bitchx-er |
| [04:03:54] | tgow: | haha |
| [04:03:59] | tgow: | xchat is mad nice tho |
| [04:04:00] | klpt: | brawr... not having much luck with this speed setting stuff |
| [04:04:14] | iamlindoro: | eg, all my recordings automatically commflag, cut out the commercials, and transcode to perfect 1 Gig 720p x.264s that are then automatically sorted into their directories in MythVideo |
| [04:04:31] | cmoates: | mzb_d800, how you coming? |
| [04:04:48] | cmoates: | klpt, can you just buy a quiet dvd drive? |
| [04:04:59] | tgow: | iamlindoro, i find that a bit interesting. i know shows like law and order have issues w/ commercial skip (at least on the 5040 they did) |
| [04:05:07] | cmoates: | how true |
| [04:05:52] | iamlindoro: | Haven't ever had trouble with anything on network TV (at least, not in HD, since it usually switches formats for commercials and commflag picks that up) but I don't watch L&E |
| [04:05:54] | tgow: | can you have commflag but not CUT the video? |
| [04:05:59] | klpt: | there's no such thing as a quiet dvd drive |
| [04:06:04] | iamlindoro: | sure, you have to explicits set that up |
| [04:06:08] | mzb_d800: | cmoates: battling |
| [04:06:10] | klpt: | plus why should i spend money to buy stuff i don't need when software should be able to do the same thing |
| [04:06:11] | iamlindoro: | by default it's non-destructive |
| [04:06:16] | mzb_d800: | dealing with g/f + daughter atm |
| [04:06:24] | Kazan: | L&O: SVU always has com detection isues |
| [04:07:30] | mzb_d800: | right, none for me tonight ... solves that problem ;) |
| [04:08:08] | mzb_d800: | Nov 20 15:07:48 loungetv lircd-0.8.3-CVS[4728]: accepted new client from 192.168.0.130 |
| [04:08:09] | mzb_d800: | Nov 20 15:07:48 loungetv lircd-0.8.3-CVS[4728]: bad send packet: "^[" |
| [04:08:09] | mzb_d800: | Nov 20 15:07:48 loungetv lircd-0.8.3-CVS[4728]: removed client |
| [04:08:16] | mzb_d800: | looks suspicious |
| [04:09:35] | cmoates: | It's always easier when you know your'e not getting any |
| [04:09:41] | cmoates: | and that looks like you tried to telnet to the port |
| [04:09:44] | cmoates: | and then disconnected |
| [04:10:52] | mzb_d800: | heh ... hmmm ... not me! :) |
| [04:11:16] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [04:11:17] | mzb_d800: | hang on |
| [04:11:25] | mzb_d800: | I moved back to the standard port |
| [04:11:33] | mzb_d800: | (had to turn off icecc) |
| [04:11:48] | tgow: | thx, y'all. bbl :) |
| [04:11:50] | mzb_d800: | just realised it's the other computers in the network trying to talk to the port |
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| [04:12:41] | cmoates: | Damn those other computers being chatty |
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| [04:15:48] | CofWY: | hi everyone, i'm building my first mythtv box based on an asus an-m2hd with two pc-hdtv5500 card. I use a samsung LNS3251D as my lcd which I have connected through the vga connector (figuring out overscan issue with hdmi was too much of an issue). Now when I play a DVD the video is not using the full screen, just a small rectangle in the middle perhaps 2/3. any ideas on how to get past that? |
| [04:16:22] | cmoates: | zoom |
| [04:16:29] | cmoates: | would be my first answer |
| [04:16:35] | cmoates: | is it a letterboxed DVD? |
| [04:16:44] | CofWY: | how do you zoom? no it is a widescreen |
| [04:17:02] | cmoates: | Your TV probably has a zoom option |
| [04:17:05] | cmoates: | but in myth you can do it too |
| [04:17:08] | CofWY: | screen is 16:9 aspect ratio, the ratio is good, like you said if it would zoom it would fill it perfectly |
| [04:17:10] | cmoates: | What DVD software are you using? |
| [04:17:14] | cmoates: | mplayer? builtin? |
| [04:17:46] | cmoates: | For mplayer, there's a command line option you have to add to myth, it's like... --monitoraspect=16:9 |
| [04:17:50] | cmoates: | or something very similar to that |
| [04:17:52] | CofWY: | it's a brand new mythbuntu install, whatever it uses by default, I think it is mplayer |
| [04:18:16] | cmoates: | It's in the settings somewhere... maybe one of these other chaps will chime in with the exact location and command |
| [04:18:23] | mzb_d800: | ok, bottom line is that it bombs because of a bad device |
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| [04:18:41] | cmoates: | bad device, i.e. bad /dev/lirc? |
| [04:18:51] | mzb_d800: | afaict, the driver shouldn't actually need it ... _or_ I've completely specified the wrong device |
| [04:18:53] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [04:19:05] | cmoates: | Do you need to specify one at all, since it's a network device? |
| [04:20:10] | mzb_d800: | that would seem to make sense, however it defaults to /dev/lirc |
| [04:20:30] | cmoates: | hm |
| [04:21:11] | mzb_d800: | lircd-0.8.3-CVS[5169]: could not get file information for /dev/lirc |
| [04:21:18] | mzb_d800: | (w/o device param) |
| [04:21:57] | cmoates: | CofWY, take a look at http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php |
| [04:22:16] | mzb_d800: | I've tried doing mknod & chown ... same prob |
| [04:22:33] | cmoates: | I dunno, mzb :( |
| [04:22:40] | cmoates: | I mean, you're definitely at the root of the problem |
| [04:22:48] | cmoates: | Is there a lirc_network module you need to load or somoething? |
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| [04:23:38] | mzb_d800: | not that I can see |
| [04:25:02] | mzb_d800: | there are two network settings from setup.sh ... network (none) and udp network (udp) |
| [04:25:11] | mzb_d800: | but both seem to be built in |
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| [04:27:58] | mzb_d800: | configuring with "--enable-debug" |
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| [04:32:46] | cmoates: | heh |
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| [04:33:52] | klpt: | does the current version of mythweather actually work? |
| [04:34:04] | klpt: | i just went to check it for the first time in months |
| [04:34:14] | klpt: | and noticed that the output was garbage |
| [04:34:30] | brockp: | no its busted |
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| [04:34:58] | klpt: | ok, good to know i'm not the only one |
| [04:36:14] | mzb_d800: | cmoates: nothing extra |
| [04:36:24] | mzb_d800: | (with -D9 on network daemon) |
| [04:36:29] | cmoates: | hm |
| [04:36:44] | cmoates: | I got nothin' ;( |
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| [04:37:39] | brockp: | hey wait, mythdvd is written in python right? Is there any examples of how to build plugins wihtout using C ? like say perl? |
| [04:39:47] | mzb_d800: | registering inet client |
| [04:39:47] | mzb_d800: | connected to localhost |
| [04:39:47] | mzb_d800: | accepted new client from 127.0.0.1 |
| [04:39:48] | mzb_d800: | lirc_serial: Interrupt 3, port 02f8 obtained |
| [04:39:48] | mzb_d800: | driver supports both sending and receiving |
| [04:39:48] | mzb_d800: | registering local client |
| [04:39:48] | mzb_d800: | accepted new client on /dev/lircd |
| [04:39:51] | mzb_d800: | could not open /dev/lirc |
| [04:39:59] | mzb_d800: | default_init(): Device or resource busy |
| [04:40:06] | mzb_d800: | caught signal |
| [04:40:29] | mzb_d800: | and that's it ... I'm still not much further on from a few hours ago :| |
| [04:40:33] | cmoates: | I don't know how the network thing works, is it supposed to feed to another live lirc? |
| [04:41:01] | mzb_d800: | that's how I understand it |
| [04:41:15] | mzb_d800: | but in this case I have two daemon's feeding to a thirs |
| [04:41:16] | cmoates: | But you're not giving it another live lirc daemon, right? |
| [04:41:18] | mzb_d800: | s/third |
| [04:41:24] | mzb_d800: | not right now |
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| [04:41:44] | cmoates: | Maybe that's necessary to prevent the above error? |
| [04:41:48] | CofWY: | cmoates: thanks for the link to the tips, if I use mplayer as my dvd player command as prescribed the screen goes garbled when playing |
| [04:42:06] | cmoates: | You might try changing the mplayer command to "Internal" |
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| [04:42:24] | mzb_d800: | no, exactly the same error with both connected |
| [04:42:26] | CofWY: | Internal is what causes it to not zoom |
| [04:42:30] | cmoates: | ah |
| [04:42:32] | CofWY: | that was the original |
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| [05:06:21] | klpt: | anybody have a good way of getting X to display within a smaller bounding box than the resolution specified by the modeline? ie, running something like 1024x768 inside of a 1600x1200 desktop? |
| [05:06:33] | klpt: | but without actually using a modeline? |
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| [05:16:07] | flyback: | yo |
| [05:16:15] | flyback: | not directly myth related but sorta |
| [05:16:27] | flyback: | any way to setup in linux or myth even running from a livecd/ramdisk |
| [05:16:38] | flyback: | to just setup my pvr250 card as a stream another machine can connect to and control |
| [05:17:12] | ** flyback is hoping to have a duron 850 box dedicated to myth finally after waiting 3 yrs ** | |
| [05:18:03] | flyback: | take your time if you feel like answering I am going to shave anyways before bed :) |
| [05:18:39] | cmoates: | You want to run a backend box on a livecd? |
| [05:18:51] | flyback: | sorta doesn't even have to be a full backend |
| [05:18:59] | flyback: | just wanna be able to watch tv till I have a machine working with a hd again :P |
| [05:19:12] | cmoates: | Might be able to be done, but I don't think there's any stock distros that do that |
| [05:19:17] | flyback: | ok :P |
| [05:19:29] | flyback: | i'll just get pvr250 working on my other pc |
| [05:19:30] | flyback: | err |
| [05:19:32] | flyback: | tv tuner card |
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| [05:26:42] | mzb_d800: | cmoates: looks like the lirc docs might be back to front |
| [05:26:54] | mzb_d800: | http://www.wh9.tu-dresden.de/~heinrich/lirc/l . . . sf/9611.html |
| [05:27:22] | mzb_d800: | I can now do "irw /dev/lircd" properly |
| [05:27:41] | mzb_d800: | seems to work ... just need to debug the 2nd receiver, get it working and then try it out |
| [05:27:56] | cmoates: | cool |
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| [05:42:02] | mzb_d800: | as to where it gets it's remote conf from ... who knows? !!!! |
| [05:42:08] | cmoates: | hah |
| [05:42:21] | mzb_d800: | I've got codes coming out of the remote that just aren't right |
| [05:42:28] | mzb_d800: | chan+ instead of CHANUP |
| [05:42:43] | cmoates: | You have it defined twice in /etc/lircd.conf? |
| [05:43:12] | mzb_d800: | each lircd has it's own config |
| [05:43:41] | mzb_d800: | but either way ... that code (chan+) only lives in an old config file that I've renamed, etc |
| [05:43:49] | mzb_d800: | I'll try tucking it out of the way |
| [05:44:52] | mzb_d800: | lol |
| [05:44:57] | mzb_d800: | just unbelievable |
| [05:45:02] | mzb_d800: | sanity reboot |
| [05:45:12] | mzb_d800: | and time for a breath of fresh air |
| [05:45:20] | cmoates: | heh |
| [05:45:26] | cmoates: | I really don't like lirc |
| [05:45:32] | cmoates: | If there was an alternative, I'd probably use it |
| [05:46:39] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [05:47:02] | mzb_d800: | devinput ... if it worked ... but that still doesn't solve the problem of home-brew serial receivers |
| [05:48:06] | mzb_d800: | err.. although I'm sure someone would be able to come up with a method if they felt motivated enough |
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| [05:48:40] | cmoates: | nor the other non-devinput drivers out there |
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| [05:58:46] | mzb_d800: | cmoates: well ... I swear it worked before ... now it barfs again |
| [05:59:06] | cmoates: | too much fresh air ;) |
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| [06:05:56] | Pogonip_: | Anyone know why I |
| [06:06:14] | Pogonip_: | Anyone know why I'm getting this "/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied:" |
| [06:07:09] | Pogonip_: | Mythtvbackend won't start |
| [06:08:06] | Pogonip_: | Is there anybody out there? |
| [06:08:20] | cmoates: | Did you try to remove that file by hand? |
| [06:08:45] | Pogonip_: | cmoates; I think it' |
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| [06:08:56] | Pogonip_: | cmoates; I think it's required |
| [06:09:04] | cmoates: | It's just a lockfile |
| [06:09:10] | cmoates: | It'll get recreated if necessary |
| [06:09:37] | Pogonip_: | cmoates; So I can delete it without any problems? |
| [06:09:48] | cmoates: | yes; if you're really worried, rename it instead |
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| [06:09:53] | cmoates: | Then you can always put it back ;) |
| [06:10:03] | cmoates: | But if it was my box, I'd delete the file |
| [06:11:50] | mzb_d800: | back to where I started ... grrr |
| [06:11:58] | mzb_d800: | bloody stupid software |
| [06:12:01] | mzb_d800: | (and me) |
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| [06:13:36] | mzb_d800: | ah well ... that's just depressing |
| [06:13:41] | mzb_d800: | driver=udp |
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| [06:15:14] | mzb_d800: | after all the mentions of tcp, it seems that the lirc page might be right in all respects other than s/default/udp for the connecting daemon (last one) |
| [06:15:17] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* |
| [06:15:56] | mzb_d800: | I can now do irw for both /dev/lircd0 (the serial receiver) and /dev/lircd (the master daemon) |
| [06:16:13] | mzb_d800: | grrr!!!! (ie. bl00dy YAY) |
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| [06:19:33] | cmoates: | heh |
| [06:19:34] | cmoates: | well |
| [06:19:36] | cmoates: | it works |
| [06:19:38] | cmoates: | that's a plus ;) |
| [06:20:25] | cmoates: | Now if I could get my backend to stop segfaulting we'd both be ahead of the game |
| [06:20:42] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [06:20:45] | mzb_d800: | good luck |
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| [06:21:34] | mzb_d800: | yay, and the frontend connects ok |
| [06:22:13] | mzb_d800: | accepted new client on /dev/lircd |
| [06:23:00] | mzb_d800: | right, now to get this other remote working properly ... err ... bugger ... g/f has gone out and left me on Daddy Duty (still) |
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| [06:23:46] | cmoates: | kid's still up? |
| [06:25:22] | cesman: | NyQuil will help you get your Zzzzs ;) |
| [06:25:38] | cmoates: | hm |
| [06:25:45] | cmoates: | I suspect my hdhomerun is on the fritz :/ |
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| [06:30:19] | mzb_d800: | cmoates: 5:30p (.tas.au) |
| [06:30:23] | cmoates: | ah |
| [06:32:29] | mzb_d800: | nice side-effect of this setup is that the device daemon can be killed and restarted, leaving the master daemon running (and mythfrontend doesn't lose IR) |
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| [06:34:27] | mzb_d800: | (let's hope that comes in handy;) |
| [06:34:47] | cmoates: | That is nice |
| [06:36:09] | mzb_d800: | now the silly part of the story: |
| [06:37:07] | mzb_d800: | reason I want this 2nd receiver to work is that the box is mounted under the floor, primary output is to TV in lounge-room ... but there's a cloned output to a 20" monitor underneath (in the garage) |
| [06:37:24] | mzb_d800: | ie: I want to use a remote while I'm cooking on the BBQ ;) |
| [06:37:27] | cmoates: | hehe |
| [06:37:33] | cmoates: | that's very important |
| [06:37:40] | mzb_d800: | I totally agree ;) |
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| [06:38:15] | mzb_d800: | remote and beer in one hand, barbie-man-weapon in the other ;) |
| [06:38:24] | mzb_d800: | got to look the part ;) |
| [06:38:29] | cmoates: | hah |
| [06:38:40] | cmoates: | You didn't want a separate frontend? |
| [06:38:47] | cmoates: | clone is good enough? |
| [06:38:53] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [06:38:55] | adante: | were you the tasmanian mzb_d800 i forget |
| [06:39:00] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [06:39:10] | adante: | heh nice |
| [06:39:21] | mzb_d800: | couldn't use a 2nd machine for the same thing ;) |
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| [06:39:27] | mzb_d800: | (ie. don't have one) |
| [06:39:48] | mzb_d800: | and I have *cough* some restrictions about how many machines I can run 24/7 |
| [06:40:01] | mzb_d800: | (currently 5 (?)) |
| [06:40:20] | mzb_d800: | server, workstation, g/f's box, loungetv & bedtv |
| [06:40:30] | mzb_d800: | (the last two being the slowest) |
| [06:40:40] | mzb_d800: | (and most hacked) |
| [06:40:58] | cmoates: | Time to upgrade some of those, ;) |
| [06:41:10] | mzb_d800: | nah ... would cost $ ... made out of scrap |
| [06:41:18] | cmoates: | gotcha |
| [06:41:32] | mzb_d800: | assuming time is worth nothing ... mythtv network has cost <au$70 |
| [06:42:07] | mzb_d800: | (inc. 3 tuners, 3 remotes, drives, video cards, etc) |
| [06:42:17] | cmoates: | cheap |
| [06:42:22] | cmoates: | you should be proud ;) |
| [06:42:39] | mzb_d800: | :) ... g/f is happy .. that's what counts ;) |
| [06:42:50] | mzb_d800: | dvb-tuner #1 = $20 (delivered) |
| [06:43:17] | mzb_d800: | #2 = $23 (delivered) ... although I've got signal strength issues with it to fix yet |
| [06:43:54] | mzb_d800: | and a 3rd tuner is stb which is locked to TDT at silly aspect ratio and low volume ... using a bt878 framegrabber to get that one |
| [06:44:05] | mzb_d800: | not a bad result |
| [06:44:29] | mzb_d800: | err ... mx420 low profile card (well ... when you take the bracket off;) for $16 delivered |
| [06:44:54] | mzb_d800: | misc. plugs & parts ~$10 |
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| [06:45:41] | mzb_d800: | might have to do something special with the 2nd tuner, though :( |
| [06:45:49] | cmoates: | hrm |
| [06:45:50] | mzb_d800: | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=79 |
| [06:46:11] | mzb_d800: | gives good signal but tuner#2 doesn't like it |
| [06:48:08] | mzb_d800: | (birdproof, windproof and cost me a can of black paint;) |
| [06:48:38] | cmoates: | heh |
| [06:48:40] | cmoates: | dvb-t then |
| [06:48:43] | mzb_d800: | might have to make a masthead amp ... will ask Dad when he gets back in state ... see what he thinks |
| [06:48:46] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [06:48:49] | mzb_d800: | (only) |
| [06:48:52] | mzb_d800: | no UHF |
| [06:48:55] | cmoates: | no dvb-s? |
| [06:48:58] | mzb_d800: | no |
| [06:49:35] | mzb_d800: | UHF would have required more wood + coat-hangers ;)) |
| [06:49:57] | cmoates: | Oh, there's still UHF in the air? |
| [06:50:18] | mzb_d800: | duplicate transmissions (mostly) from repeaters |
| [06:50:27] | mzb_d800: | better range |
| [06:50:31] | mzb_d800: | (hilly country) |
| [06:50:38] | mzb_d800: | err ... |
| [06:50:56] | mzb_d800: | might have that the wrong way around ... can't remember the logic behind it ;) |
| [06:51:12] | cmoates: | I haven't dealt with OTA in 15 years |
| [06:51:14] | cmoates: | So don't ask me ;) |
| [06:51:30] | mzb_d800: | but originally, we had 2 channels on VHF, then when UHF came in, newer stations went UHF |
| [06:51:41] | cmoates: | Sure, better range vs VHF, IIRC |
| [06:51:50] | mzb_d800: | so we have 4 ota VHF+UHF (+ repeaters) |
| [06:52:12] | mzb_d800: | which are also duplicated on both UHF and VHF DVB-T |
| [06:52:22] | mzb_d800: | (+ corresponding HD channels) |
| [06:53:02] | mzb_d800: | there is only one station that doesn't have a bob each way ... and that's TDT (Tas Digital TV) which (as the name suggests) is digital only |
| [06:53:21] | cmoates: | right |
| [06:53:29] | mzb_d800: | (but it's still transmitted on both VHF and UHF DVB-T afaik) |
| [06:53:30] | cmoates: | Trying to get people to make the switch |
| [06:54:07] | mzb_d800: | strangely enough ... it's funny the way things work here: |
| [06:54:36] | mzb_d800: | we have SCTV ... which is a rural network incorporating (originally) channels Seven and Ten |
| [06:55:06] | mzb_d800: | and TDT is essentially just Channel Ten |
| [06:55:55] | cmoates: | hm |
| [06:55:55] | mzb_d800: | so there's a lot of redundancy ... but I suspect that TDT is trying to carve a niche in the long term |
| [06:56:16] | cmoates: | adding add'l programming along the way, perhaps |
| [06:56:25] | cmoates: | in any case, it's now offically my bedtime, 2am ;) |
| [06:56:33] | cmoates: | I'm glad you got lirc up and running :) |
| [06:56:35] | mzb_d800: | ok, thanks for your help today |
| [06:56:59] | cmoates: | sure, though I don't know how much I really did :) |
| [06:57:07] | mzb_d800: | stuck with me ;) |
| [06:57:07] | cmoates: | aside from suggest strace |
| [06:57:18] | mzb_d800: | yes, and that too |
| [06:57:27] | cmoates: | g'night |
| [06:57:44] | mzb_d800: | gnite |
| [06:58:45] | mzb_d800: | oops ... but pie in the oven 15 mins late ... wonder if she'll notice ;) |
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| [07:18:31] | mzb_d800: | ah ... I remember now ... something wrong with the checksum logic in v4l-dvb |
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| [07:40:38] | ** xris twiddles his thumbs until someone updates the lossless transcoder to handle HDTV streams ** | |
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| [08:01:34] | CCB0x45: | hey |
| [08:01:40] | CCB0x45: | all the sudden since my last reboot |
| [08:01:50] | CCB0x45: | my mythtv box has like lost signal |
| [08:01:52] | CCB0x45: | to the tv |
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| [08:02:03] | CCB0x45: | like the picture goes away after sitting idle for a while |
| [08:02:10] | CCB0x45: | and I have to log on and off to get the picture back |
| [08:02:17] | CCB0x45: | even though there is no screensaver up |
| [08:06:57] | rooaus: | hmmm, I wonder how this play out for .au myth users? http://www.freetv.com.au/media/News-Media_Rel . . . e_141107.pdf |
| [08:08:20] | CCB0x45: | does schedules direct not do .au |
| [08:08:22] | CCB0x45: | ? |
| [08:11:30] | Tanthrix: | xris: I transcoded a few episodes of The Office in 1080i losslessly, and it worked fine. (Though, I got some mysterious error when I tried to do the same to a recording of October Sky from UHD over my firewire STB.) |
| [08:11:47] | xris: | Tanthrix: to remove commercials? |
| [08:11:52] | Tanthrix: | xris: Aye. |
| [08:11:54] | xris: | CCB0x45: only north america for now |
| [08:12:09] | xris: | Tanthrix: interesting.. it didn't used to. guess I'll have to try again |
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| [08:13:55] | Tanthrix: | xris: Could have been a fluke, who knows. There's probably something specific about some streams that makes it fail on some but not others. |
| [08:14:19] | xris: | could be |
| [08:14:35] | xris: | I have Planet Earth recorded... but a bunch of pre/post that I don't need (probably 30G worth) |
| [08:15:13] | CCB0x45: | anyone know why my display might be turning off when the mythtv box is idle? |
| [08:15:19] | CCB0x45: | it didnt use to untill I rebooted |
| [08:15:45] | Tanthrix: | CCB0x45: And you're sure pressing your keyboard doesn't bring it back to life – you have to ctrl-alt-backspace out of X? |
| [08:17:29] | CCB0x45: | yea pressing my keyboard doesnt bring it back |
| [08:17:38] | CCB0x45: | I can still navigate the windows with VNC |
| [08:17:45] | Tanthrix: | CCB0x45: And you're also sure it only happens during idleness? |
| [08:17:57] | CCB0x45: | well its only happened when I havnt been using it |
| [08:18:06] | CCB0x45: | and its just sitting there |
| [08:18:10] | CCB0x45: | so no, not technically sure |
| [08:18:26] | CCB0x45: | like I went into nvidia settings and found if I changed a setting on how it outputs |
| [08:18:32] | CCB0x45: | it kinda refreshes and the picture comes back |
| [08:18:37] | CCB0x45: | just like restarting x refreshes it |
| [08:18:41] | Tanthrix: | Not sure why it would happen after a reboot specifically, but it could be some weird DPMS issue. Might try disabling that. |
| [08:18:54] | CCB0x45: | hmm ok |
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| [08:19:06] | CCB0x45: | is there any way to turn off overscan through nvidia settings? |
| [08:19:14] | Tanthrix: | Really though you should start x verbose and then when it happens check the logs. And look at your current logs, they could have caught something. |
| [08:19:15] | CCB0x45: | thats weird cause my xorg hasnt changed at all |
| [08:19:19] | CCB0x45: | and ive rebooted other times a bunch |
| [08:19:34] | CCB0x45: | yea I do start x verbose already from when I was setting it up |
| [08:19:47] | Tanthrix: | If nothing has really changed, you could be having a hardware failure, or a heat issue. |
| [08:19:56] | xris: | CCB0x45: overscan is a natural part of your TV... nvidia driver can work around it a bit depending on the type of connection you're using |
| [08:20:14] | Tanthrix: | CCB0x45: And you should be able to adjust overscan for composite/s-video in nvidia-settings |
| [08:20:22] | CCB0x45: | its hdmi |
| [08:20:28] | CCB0x45: | not composite/s-video |
| [08:20:29] | Tanthrix: | No go then. |
| [08:20:39] | CCB0x45: | when I use like my 360, the image doesnt spill over at all |
| [08:20:39] | Tanthrix: | Have to mess with modelines to fix that, and sometimes you just can't. |
| [08:20:45] | CCB0x45: | but from mythtv it spills over |
| [08:20:50] | CCB0x45: | not really a big deal though |
| [08:20:54] | CCB0x45: | so im not too worried about it |
| [08:21:12] | CCB0x45: | is it possible to force mplayer to stretch everything to full screen? |
| [08:21:18] | CCB0x45: | some movies I play are letterboxed sometimes |
| [08:21:22] | CCB0x45: | although most stuff isnt |
| [08:21:44] | xris: | CCB0x45: if your tv overscans through hdmi, it's either broken (along with about 80% of other TVs), or you need to play around with the resolution/refresh rates until the tv detects the signal as a computer instead of a tv signal |
| [08:21:47] | Tanthrix: | Yes, just gotta change the aspect ratio. Start with -aspect 4:3 or some such thing |
| [08:22:07] | CCB0x45: | what do you mean broken |
| [08:22:24] | CCB0x45: | it should be 16:9 right? |
| [08:22:40] | CCB0x45: | I already set -monitoraspect 16:9, that didnt do anything |
| [08:22:48] | Tanthrix: | That's something different. |
| [08:23:16] | CCB0x45: | ok |
| [08:23:23] | CCB0x45: | if im in 720p would 16:9 be the aspect? |
| [08:23:42] | Tanthrix: | Er, right. My mistake. |
| [08:24:10] | Tanthrix: | And you realize that a lot of movies are not 16:9 right? |
| [08:24:35] | CCB0x45: | yea |
| [08:24:38] | Tanthrix: | They're wider, so you get horizontal black bars even on a widescreen set. That's normal, and the only way around it is to cut off the edges and zoom up, or stretch it making everything look weird. |
| [08:24:53] | Tanthrix: | Same for 4:3 stuff, except that the bars are vertical instead. |
| [08:24:54] | CCB0x45: | not worth it to stretch it you dont thing? |
| [08:25:02] | Tanthrix: | No, it's not natural. |
| [08:25:09] | CCB0x45: | ok |
| [08:25:12] | CCB0x45: | that makes sense |
| [08:25:20] | CCB0x45: | everything normally is full screen except some movies |
| [08:25:21] | Tanthrix: | Just my personal preference, mind you. |
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| [08:34:37] | xris: | Tanthrix: I just get "errored" when I try to transcode it |
| [08:35:06] | Tanthrix: | xris: It's probably mostly broken then. |
| [08:35:26] | xris: | pretty sure it still was |
| [08:35:29] | xris: | annoying, though. |
| [08:35:44] | xris: | I just want to get these things cut up so I don't have SOO much space taken up with pre/post stuff |
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| [08:37:02] | Tanthrix: | Yah, with HD content space starts to become non-trivial. |
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| [08:38:10] | Tanthrix: | I wonder if it has something to do with the fact both of the ones that failed (your planet earth, my movie) were from premium channels over firewire, as opposed to regular QAM/ATSC content. |
| [08:38:19] | Tanthrix: | Maybe the cable companies do funky things that make it break? |
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| [08:38:56] | xris: | I know that the lossless mpeg2 transcode stuff was just never tested with HD content |
| [08:39:15] | xris: | none of the devs has had time/interest to poke at it to find out how to fix it |
| [08:39:16] | justinh: | all sorts of things can make mythtranscode break, such as the number of streams changing during the show. I've seen that a few times. No idea if it's been fixed or not yet though |
| [08:40:31] | xris: | whatever causes this issue hasn't been.. I'm running svn from last night. heh |
| [08:40:44] | Tanthrix: | hehe |
| [08:41:49] | justinh: | if there's something I _really_ need to cut/archive (which generally isn't very much, nor are the shows 'mine') I run the recording through ffmpeg -i $file -acodec copy -vcodec copy $outfile then rebuild the seektable for the file. seems to work most of the time then |
| [08:42:11] | xris: | huh? |
| [08:42:14] | xris: | how does that cut? |
| [08:42:43] | justinh: | it doesn't cut (obviously) just makes the files (seemingly) more friendly to mythtranscode |
| [08:42:56] | xris: | ah |
| [08:42:58] | xris: | will test |
| [08:43:27] | askvictor: | what's the nicest way to start another process in the default myth session on mythbuntu |
| [08:43:29] | askvictor: | ? |
| [08:43:52] | xris: | justinh: will try mencoder.. I have a one-liner that should clean things up and rebuild the index all at once |
| [08:44:05] | justinh: | cool :) |
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| [08:47:32] | justinh: | wooo kinda good news about EIT finally making it to Aus then :) |
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| [08:49:22] | Tanthrix: | xris: I just did a cut and transcode job on a 1080i recording from PBS over my QAM card, and it's going just fine. 23 percent complete. |
| [08:49:33] | Tanthrix: | No more firewire stuff to test, unfortunately. |
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| [08:54:00] | xris: | omg, this actually seems to be working |
| [08:54:30] | Tanthrix: | Mine just completed. Worked perfectly. |
| [08:55:11] | xris: | no idea where my cutpoints were in this file |
| [08:55:29] | xris: | 44% done and .tmp file is still zero bytes |
| [08:56:28] | rooaus: | justinh: Yeah :D |
| [08:56:34] | hjohnson: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBwVNtOL4d4 this still cracks me up. |
| [08:58:46] | hjohnson: | it bugs the hell out of me that youtube insists on flagging most copies as "inappropriate for young viewers" though. |
| [08:58:56] | hjohnson: | it broadcast on prime time evening comedy hour for chrissakes |
| [09:01:06] | justinh: | arghhh who the hell committed a change to the programfinder that breaks stuff in themes again? |
| [09:02:21] | justinh: | jees. one year ago! |
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| [09:05:29] | xris: | ok, time for me to sleep.. Tanthrix, I'll check in with you again tomorrow to let you know how my transcode attempts go. |
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| [09:09:28] | justinh: | rooaus: any trouble with the programfinder in glass-wide with trunk? |
| [09:11:07] | CCB0x45: | Splishie55 |
| [09:11:22] | CCB0x45: | wrong chat lol |
| [09:12:18] | rooaus: | justinh: Don't use the finder, didn't notice a prob. Whats the issue? |
| [09:12:29] | justinh: | missing font, allegedly |
| [09:13:16] | justinh: | 1 year ago cpinkham committed a change that made the 'shows' section of the finder highlight which were going to be recorded/are recording |
| [09:13:42] | justinh: | must've been asleep when that went by me |
| [09:14:36] | rooaus: | Ah, there is much of the ui I don't use. |
| [09:14:49] | justinh: | I just committed changes to my themes anyway. don't expect it to break anything if it's wrong |
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| [11:17:37] | ** justinh wonders if his name has been removed from that stupid fork yet ** | |
| [11:18:52] | justinh: | yes! wooohoo |
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| [11:27:42] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, was it you doing a magical tv_grab_uk_rt config thingy? |
| [11:27:55] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: aye |
| [11:28:03] | justinh: | got sidetracked |
| [11:28:13] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, what kind of state is it in currently? |
| [11:28:24] | justinh: | there was no point continuing work on it til virgin finished fecking about with their lineups |
| [11:28:52] | directhex|bsp: | and freeview? |
| [11:29:00] | justinh: | and that |
| [11:29:03] | hashbang: | directhex: magical howso? |
| [11:29:15] | hashbang: | directhex: relating callsigns to xmltvids? |
| [11:29:16] | justinh: | not that they'll ever be done messing about with lineups |
| [11:30:16] | directhex|bsp: | hashbang, currently, configuring tv_grab_uk_rt involves saying yes or no to 217 or so channels (including knowing offhand which name has been assigned to your regional variant in advance because you can't go back and change it), then link channels to xmltv ids multiple times (once per tuner) then download channel icons from somewhere & redo from start with those |
| [11:30:47] | hashbang: | directhex: wow, that sounds more complex than me. |
| [11:30:49] | directhex|bsp: | 269. it's gone up |
| [11:31:32] | directhex|bsp: | i use EIT purely for my sanity |
| [11:31:44] | hashbang: | directhex: I just had a look at xmltv's /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids, picked the channels I wanted and manually created a ~/.mythtv/Radio\ Times.xmltv |
| [11:31:55] | directhex|bsp: | hashbang, how enormously user-friendly |
| [11:32:03] | hashbang: | and associate each tuner with the Radio Times 'video source' |
| [11:32:15] | hashbang: | recent xmltv downloads channel icons automagically |
| [11:32:17] | directhex|bsp: | hashbang, /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids is obsolete though. what about dave+1? |
| [11:32:24] | hashbang: | directhex: no, it's there |
| [11:32:33] | justinh: | well,my plan (and now Nick Morrot is on board) is to create a wizard, where you tell it your postcode, who your TV provider is & it does the rest |
| [11:33:09] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: I think I had to have a look at channel_ids from xmltv CVS, though |
| [11:33:19] | justinh: | postcode lookup is done, region lookup is done, provider lookup is done. needs turning into an app |
| [11:33:37] | ** rooaus googles this "dave+1" he keeps hearing about. ** | |
| [11:33:41] | justinh: | also need to make some decisions about where to keep the live data |
| [11:33:47] | hashbang: | rooaus: "bloke TV" :-) |
| [11:34:12] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: yes, it certainly could be made much more user-friendly, but I think you also made life hard for yourself. :-) |
| [11:34:23] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: uploaded all I had to http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/chanwiz |
| [11:34:38] | hashbang: | and well done to justinh for kicking things off |
| [11:34:54] | hashbang: | justinh: empty directory? |
| [11:34:58] | directhex|bsp: | hashbang, hard for myself? by using myth in the first place, or wanting channel info? |
| [11:35:23] | justinh: | hashbang: doh. go up one |
| [11:35:26] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: no, by doing all that 218 channel stuff, and repeating it three times, when you can use the same video source for all tuners. |
| [11:35:39] | directhex|bsp: | hashbang, my tuners have different lineups |
| [11:35:46] | hashbang: | directhex: ah, right |
| [11:35:55] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: you hadn't mentioned that part. :-) |
| [11:36:12] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: still, you could have derived the smaller video source lists from the larger ones. |
| [11:36:22] | justinh: | I preferred the old way of configuring the grabber |
| [11:36:28] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, that's the other issue with RT – what about channels which share a name but vary depending on delivery method? e.g. they close down on freeview but carry on on sky? that annoys me :( |
| [11:36:51] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: gbee's been talking to Nick about the possibility of allowing for that |
| [11:37:13] | mzb_d800: | feel glad you're not battling .au schedules :) |
| [11:37:14] | directhex|bsp: | nick? |
| [11:37:25] | justinh: | knowledgejunkie :) |
| [11:37:35] | directhex|bsp: | mzb_d800, yes, it's nice to get free guide data direct from the custodians of such things |
| [11:37:44] | directhex|bsp: | mzb_d800, intended for use by xmltv people |
| [11:37:53] | mzb_d800: | :| |
| [11:37:54] | justinh: | it hasn't always been this way though |
| [11:38:03] | justinh: | the grabber used to be a scraper |
| [11:38:20] | justinh: | mzb_d800: what are you moaning about? you're getting EIT in the new year |
| [11:38:27] | mzb_d800: | pah |
| [11:38:43] | mzb_d800: | which we can't use, iirc |
| [11:38:54] | ** justinh ignores the whiners who don't know a good thing when they see it ** | |
| [11:39:14] | justinh: | so it won't get you IMDB ratings. SO WHAT |
| [11:39:28] | mzb_d800: | heh ... and you're whining about having 200+ channels to wade through? |
| [11:39:31] | directhex|bsp: | mzb_d800, thanks to the unique way the bbc is funded... (strictly speaking this isn't true, RT is a commercial spin out, with nothing owed to license holders) |
| [11:40:01] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: dave's xmltvid is dave.uktv.co.uk, BTW |
| [11:40:16] | justinh: | do you want channel 1? do you want channel 2? do you want channel 3? do you want channel 4 ? do you want./.. ad infinitum :-\ |
| [11:40:19] | directhex|bsp: | hashbang, why should i need to set it myself? |
| [11:40:35] | directhex|bsp: | actually, whose bright idea was using made-up non-existant urls in the first place? |
| [11:40:51] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, do you want channel 258? |
| [11:40:51] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: well, I think it's because it gives a hierarchial layout |
| [11:40:52] | justinh: | they could be numbers for all the scripts care |
| [11:40:59] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, do you want channel 1 regional variant 12? |
| [11:41:17] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: they're not URLs, just hierarchial names. |
| [11:41:22] | justinh: | directhex|bsp: dig in my old homepage. some useful stuff in there but it'll be out of date |
| [11:41:23] | hashbang: | not even domain names |
| [11:41:27] | directhex|bsp: | hashbang, good theory, not the case in practice. it's not remotely hierarchical in most cases |
| [11:41:33] | justinh: | they only _look_ like domain names most of the time |
| [11:41:36] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: example? |
| [11:41:41] | directhex|bsp: | the exception being regional variants. all the rest are just mad |
| [11:41:59] | justinh: | might aswell be hex numbers for all I care |
| [11:42:07] | justinh: | the only thing that matters is that they're unique |
| [11:42:10] | hashbang: | grep five /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids |
| [11:42:10] | hashbang: | channel5.co.uk|134|five|http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/ff/five.jpg |
| [11:42:10] | hashbang: | life.channel5.co.uk|2007|five Life|http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/ff/five_life.jpg |
| [11:42:10] | hashbang: | us.channel5.co.uk|2008|five US|http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/ff/five_us.jpg |
| [11:42:37] | hashbang: | ditto for channel4 |
| [11:43:20] | mzb_d800: | I essentially only have 5 channels, 2 additionals, HD versions of all of those (in dev) and 3(?) radio |
| [11:43:39] | directhex|bsp: | ukbrightideas.tv|923|UKTV Bright Ideas|http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/uu/uktv_bright_ideas.jpg |
| [11:43:43] | directhex|bsp: | ukhistory.tv|801|UKTV History|http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/uu/uktv_history.jpg |
| [11:43:43] | mzb_d800: | so I can't say I'm anywhere near that level of complication (or choice) |
| [11:43:51] | directhex|bsp: | spot the heirarchical link between those |
| [11:44:01] | justinh: | hashbang, directhex|bsp – I decided to support more than just the channels carried by uk_rt |
| [11:44:12] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: OK, dunno why those aren't *.uktv.co.uk |
| [11:44:39] | justinh: | there will no doubt be cases where people want to set recordings manually for channels where no guide data is given by the grabber |
| [11:44:51] | justinh: | at least they'll have the opportunity |
| [11:45:19] | directhex|bsp: | and what does "dave.uktv.co.uk" replace? any guesses what the heirarchy shows it replaces? |
| [11:45:33] | directhex|bsp: | why, it's uk-gold-2.flextech.telewest.co.uk |
| [11:45:34] | directhex|bsp: | woo! |
| [11:45:35] | justinh: | anyway it doesn't matter a JOT what the xmltvids are, or what they're 'supposed' to be |
| [11:45:56] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, it does when one is forced to set that crap manually multiple times |
| [11:46:16] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: well, it kinda doesn't 'replace' uk-gold-2. Just uk-gold-2 drops off all the mplexes, and a new channel (dave) shows up |
| [11:46:39] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: thankfully, now, the scanner takes note of DVB 'recommended' channels |
| [11:46:39] | directhex|bsp: | hashbang, a new channel with the same staff and the same programming? |
| [11:46:55] | hashbang: | I never had gold-2 |
| [11:47:05] | directhex|bsp: | ooh, here's one: prime.bbc.com |
| [11:47:14] | directhex|bsp: | bbcamerica.com |
| [11:47:20] | directhex|bsp: | north.bbc1.bbc.co.uk |
| [11:47:37] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: on my first mythtv build I imported the output of dvbscan and manually sorted the channels in the order I wanted them. That was a big mistake as new channels came along, and channels died. Oops. :-) |
| [11:47:43] | directhex|bsp: | does it actually matter? no. fine. but saying there's any order to the ids is bollocks |
| [11:48:12] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: I'm not sure whether it's xmltv that set the ids, or whether it's the RT site |
| [11:48:24] | directhex|bsp: | hashbang, RT uses numeric IDs |
| [11:48:34] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: but yeah, consistency always seems to be a problem whenever there are databases |
| [11:48:39] | directhex|bsp: | http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.dat -> http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/IDNUMBER.dat |
| [11:48:53] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: heck, look at some of RT's listings data; UFO is sometimes UFO, and sometimes U.F.O. |
| [11:49:18] | hashbang: | directhex|bsp: sometimes Storyville has a subtitle of the actual documentary name, sometimes it's Storyville: Documentary Name |
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| [11:59:46] | justinh: | what do you want for free as in beer? |
| [12:00:39] | justinh: | we're lucky to even get guide data for so many channels for free, in an open format |
| [12:01:06] | directhex|bsp: | even if that open format sucks |
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| [12:01:27] | hashbang: | justinh: don't get me wrong, I appreciate the existence of RT's feed when I see the problems other international mythtv users have |
| [12:03:13] | justinh: | when the freeview epg gets filled out to 14 days, with all the 'playback' metadata, that'll be cool |
| [12:03:37] | justinh: | trailers with links to set a recording with a single button, yada yada. much coolness |
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| [12:15:44] | mzb_d800: | shepherd has a "resolver" (I think that's the right name) that works out that "UFO" == "U.F.O." ... perhaps a look at shepherd might help you out |
| [12:16:07] | mzb_d800: | google whuffy shepherd |
| [12:17:27] | justinh: | my dog doesn't like UFO or Space 1999. I don't blame him, but not for the crappy high pitched SFX |
| [12:17:52] | directhex|bsp: | how about babylon 5? |
| [12:18:40] | justinh: | not worth a light IMHO :) |
| [12:20:33] | SiD3WiNDR: | space 1999 was cool |
| [12:21:17] | justinh: | mortally depressing more like |
| [12:22:34] | justinh: | bah @ paypal for not allowing uncleared payments to be cancelled |
| [12:26:52] | mzb_d800: | ever talk about things you DO like? :) |
| [12:27:42] | directhex|bsp: | puppies |
| [12:28:07] | Hoxzer: | Hmm, I suppose you guys have no idea what would be ideal wide screen resolution for philips LCD? it is said to support 1280x720 however that gets 5% overscan 960x540 works with no overscan. 1024x720 seems to be a bit fuzzy (TV doesn't get filled vertically) |
| [12:28:30] | Hoxzer: | are there any common widescreen resolutions in between 1280x720 and 1024x720 ? |
| [12:29:05] | justinh: | there |
| [12:29:22] | justinh: | there's an open source pvr thingy I'm quite fond of. can't remember its name for the life of me though |
| [12:29:24] | directhex|bsp: | Hoxzer, it's an lcd tv? |
| [12:29:29] | Hoxzer: | yeah |
| [12:29:32] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, mediaportal |
| [12:29:44] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [12:29:46] | directhex|bsp: | Hoxzer, i'd be VERY surprised if it wasn't 1366x768 natively |
| [12:29:52] | justinh: | ah yes, the one with the most awesome skins ever. that's it |
| [12:30:05] | directhex|bsp: | yay for skinning apps! |
| [12:30:22] | justinh: | they make Michaelangelo's efforts look like preschool doodles |
| [12:30:27] | mzb_d800: | that's better .. a bit more of a positive attitude in # ;) |
| [12:30:29] | Hoxzer: | directhex|bsp: oh, Well, I checked the max resolution from site that may not have been too reliable |
| [12:30:40] | directhex|bsp: | Hoxzer, model number? |
| [12:30:46] | justinh: | I wonder if I should go & see somebody about that bump on the head... |
| [12:30:48] | Hoxzer: | :( |
| [12:31:59] | Hoxzer: | directhex|bsp: 23PF8946/12 |
| [12:32:48] | Hoxzer: | I'm Using it in PC mode |
| [12:33:04] | justinh: | after seeing the abject crappiness of 'hdtv' sets at the weekend I'm more determined to stick with my low-res CRT |
| [12:33:56] | mzb_d800: | :) ... more than 1024x768 on my 15yo 20" would be a waste ;) |
| [12:33:59] | directhex|bsp: | shock horror, i put a blu-ray on and was impressed! :o |
| [12:34:10] | mzb_d800: | (it's used as the BBQ TV anyway;) |
| [12:34:49] | justinh: | thing is though directhex|bsp, DVD wasn't really _that_ much better quality than broadcast TV. unlike now |
| [12:35:08] | justinh: | the HD disc formats totally walk all over what gets broadcast |
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| [12:36:02] | justinh: | and for the discs I actually own I doubt it's even worth having a TV for the amount of repeat views they get |
| [12:36:07] | directhex|bsp: | actually, this isn't an HDTV |
| [12:36:11] | mzb_d800: | get what you pay for |
| [12:36:24] | directhex|bsp: | no wonder the resolution issue seemed funny |
| [12:36:29] | justinh: | mzb_d800: saw some pretty high-end TVs at the weekend |
| [12:36:47] | directhex|bsp: | Hoxzer, sorry, can't help. it's not HD, which means it's outside my zone of competence |
| [12:36:51] | mzb_d800: | nothing you liked? |
| [12:36:54] | justinh: | none of them were any good at scaling or deinterlacing |
| [12:37:02] | justinh: | not that I was in the market |
| [12:37:23] | mzb_d800: | hdtv is too young for me |
| [12:37:53] | justinh: | either contrast was shite, images were laggy, scaling was poor – not one of them seemed to do everything well |
| [12:38:21] | mzb_d800: | (ie: you cant find heaps of good sets 2nd hand) |
| [12:38:42] | justinh: | for me not much point saying "it's okay just leave the scaling to the PC" either, cos we don't watch _everything_ through mythtv |
| [12:38:43] | mzb_d800: | (or slightly broken but fixable) |
| [12:39:30] | justinh: | the other issue is how bad SDTV looks on new displays too. very important, that |
| [12:41:46] | Hoxzer: | also the strange thing about my LCD is that it is 16/9 but the native resolution is 1280x768 which isn't 16/9 ratio... |
| [12:43:55] | mzb_d800: | well, I'm impressed with mythtv ... from the point of view that the g/f is happy with me having another 2 machines on 24/7 to support her fledgling mythtv addictions ;) |
| [12:44:29] | mzb_d800: | Hoxzer: it's called 16:10 |
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| [12:59:33] | hashbang: | mzb_d800: 'reconciler' is the jargon, according to a quick google |
| [13:04:27] | mzb_d800: | k, thx ... thought I'd seen it mentioned (a few times;) |
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| [13:32:15] | fysa: | http://www.sparkle.com.tw/News/SP8800GTpassiv . . . sive_EN.html |
| [13:32:56] | directhex|bsp: | passive 8800gt? nice |
| [13:33:08] | fysa: | yes, very |
| [13:33:17] | directhex|bsp: | unfortunately my case stores components upside-down, which passive cards dislike intensely |
| [13:33:17] | fysa: | one for the HTPC, two for the gaming machine ;) |
| [13:33:37] | fysa: | Silverstone LC11? |
| [13:33:52] | directhex|bsp: | god no, that went to the skip |
| [13:34:28] | fysa: | heh |
| [13:34:40] | directhex|bsp: | lian-li v1100 |
| [13:34:52] | directhex|bsp: | http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/g . . . img_0214.jpg |
| [13:34:56] | fysa: | ah, nice |
| [13:35:15] | fysa: | I have the PC343 |
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| [13:40:43] | fryfrog: | 8800GT in a linux box? |
| [13:41:14] | fysa: | maybe a little pricey today, but in 6–12 months no doubt |
| [13:41:24] | fryfrog: | oh, i thought you meant you ordered one |
| [13:41:37] | fryfrog: | i'll be building new systems around those cards, they are the sweetness i've been waiting for |
| [13:41:48] | fryfrog: | as soon as they aren't $300 and goto the MSRP of $200–250 |
| [13:42:20] | fysa: | yeah. I'd really like a Mini-ITX C2D with 8800GT — or .. |
| [13:42:46] | fysa: | with this being as heat-friendly as it is, Apple could stick one in the next Mini. |
| [13:42:47] | fryfrog: | The only problem is none of the awesome sauce for HD work in linux :( |
| [13:43:01] | fryfrog: | and I don't know if nvidia cares to remedy that |
| [13:44:02] | fysa: | XBMC Linux is making an attempt at the programmable shader route – http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/wiki/index.php . . . deo_Decoding |
| [13:44:30] | fysa: | which isn't a half bad way of doing things. take advantage of what you can get without needing to wait. |
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| [13:44:55] | fysa: | (just the little matter of finding someone capable .. ;)) |
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| [14:12:15] | justinh: | just throw some kiloquads at h.264 decoding, none of this GPU crap. oh wait, we don't have CPUs running in kiloquads yet |
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| [14:12:54] | pooyak: | lol |
| [14:13:48] | justinh: | "give your website a voice with speaking characters". has anybody ever fallen for that schidt? |
| [14:14:07] | ** justinh isn't holding his breath for the linux port of xbmc btw ** | |
| [14:14:43] | justinh: | have they got it playing media yet? last time I tried it, the UI worked but it wouldn't play anything |
| [14:14:49] | pooyak: | does anybody know of a way to make on the remotes in the lircd.conf to transmit only and not receive? |
| [14:15:03] | justinh: | and I think it's nothing but funny how they're porting their port of mplayer to linux |
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| [14:21:35] | adante: | justinh: um, tried it a month or so ago, sorta played movies (crashed a lot) |
| [14:24:13] | adante: | i for one am happy they're making the attempt – been wanting some good htpc software for linux for about 4 years now |
| [14:30:59] | justinh: | cheeky b |
| [14:32:38] | justinh: | always thought the UI sucked on XBMC. nice effects, sucky UI |
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| [14:38:01] | seth|web: | is there a mythtv solution for xbox 360 yet? |
| [14:38:10] | seth|web: | not much out there in google land |
| [14:38:14] | justinh: | no |
| [14:38:28] | seth|web: | and no upnp server for mythtv |
| [14:38:29] | justinh: | upnp at a push |
| [14:38:41] | otwin: | is there a good tv gui for browsing 1000s of mp3s? i thought xbmc was the one that came closest (never tried personally, though) |
| [14:38:47] | justinh: | upnp has been in mythtv since 0.20 |
| [14:40:03] | justinh: | xbmc is more of a file browser than anything else |
| [14:40:25] | directhex|bsp: | seth|web, myth has a upnp server, no worries on that. there are two problems though: |
| [14:40:41] | justinh: | yeah what MS calls upnp – that's the problem |
| [14:40:48] | directhex|bsp: | 1) the 360 doesn't really support upnp, it bastardises the standard. a standard ms wrote, natch |
| [14:41:17] | directhex|bsp: | 2) the 360 only supports a very limited number of file formats & codecs, and mythtv doesn't include an on-the-fly transcoder to the required format |
| [14:41:41] | directhex|bsp: | the ps3 gets much better results out of the box with myth, but still isn't perfect |
| [14:43:15] | seth|web: | well I have a 360 here on my desk, that a fellow employee is selling one for $260 w/ hard drive 2 wireless controller, a cooler, and the componenet cables |
| [14:43:22] | seth|web: | i was wondering if I should buy it |
| [14:43:32] | directhex|bsp: | yes. it's a great games console |
| [14:43:35] | justinh: | I'm starting to feel that as far as massive amounts of home media are concerned, there's nowhere like a perfect solution yet |
| [14:44:46] | pooyak: | wait a couple of years and an webtv will do it all |
| [14:44:56] | pooyak: | webtv pointing at youtube |
| [14:45:01] | justinh: | blech |
| [14:45:13] | directhex|bsp: | yay! nothing says teh sex like low-bitrate 320x240 flash |
| [14:45:30] | pooyak: | lol |
| [14:46:03] | justinh: | I wish all the high priests of user-generated content would just FOAD |
| [14:46:13] | pooyak: | btw in mythtv when in the program listings |
| [14:46:23] | pooyak: | is there anyway to jump to live tv on that channel? |
| [14:46:27] | justinh: | millions of people, all thinking the same, recommending each other's crap |
| [14:46:37] | justinh: | pooyak: there's a setting for that in the tv guide settings |
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| [14:47:42] | pooyak: | can I make the interface fonts larger? my tv is not that good |
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| [14:48:01] | justinh: | utils/setup > setup > tv > program guide |
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| [14:48:11] | justinh: | pooyak: if the theme you use supports it, yes |
| [14:48:21] | justinh: | appearance settings menu |
| [14:48:36] | ** justinh throws the manual at pooyak & suggests he reads it ** | |
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| [14:50:32] | BADKITTY: | Can anyone recommend either a channel or a good website that discusses home automation using linux? |
| [14:50:34] | seth|web: | so it is possible for xbox 360 to talk to mythtv upnp server? or not worth trying? |
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| [14:51:30] | justinh: | seth|web: YMMV, even with svn trunk |
| [14:51:58] | justinh: | BADKITTY: misterhouse is about as good as it gets, so people say |
| [14:52:09] | seth|web: | so from what I am reading, it can only play back recordings, no live tv, and the recordings have to be converted to .wmv |
| [14:52:12] | seth|web: | correct |
| [14:52:21] | BADKITTY: | justinh: misterhouse? |
| [14:52:27] | justinh: | BADKITTY: misterhouse |
| [14:52:52] | BADKITTY: | justinh: ok I'll have a looksie thanks |
| [14:53:02] | justinh: | http://www.linuxha.com/ |
| [14:53:04] | pooyak: | justinh, reading TF manual is a good idea ;) thanks |
| [14:53:12] | justinh: | 1st hit in google with 'linux home automation' |
| [14:54:06] | BADKITTY: | justinh: Yah I saw it but I didn't see the date it was updated, looked outdated...just ugly webdesign i guess |
| [14:56:29] | ** justinh sighs ** | |
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| [15:02:31] | directhex|bsp: | seth|web, they'll talk, but i've never gotten anything actually playing. don't buy a 360 as a mythtv frontend, buy it as a games console |
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| [15:09:43] | seth|web: | well I do like the games |
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| [15:10:15] | seth|web: | I have an xbox, which has been converted to a frontend, so I have all thos xbox games, I was just hoping to slim down the living room wall |
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| [15:29:30] | mzb_d800: | ok ... I've got a problem|question about bookmarks if anyone feels energetic |
| [15:29:44] | mzb_d800: | it involves two symptoms: |
| [15:31:20] | mzb_d800: | 1. when I select a recording it is played back from the bookmark ... not a problem in itself ... except the speed of the playback machines (etc) means that a bookmark near the end of a movie will take a long time to reach (if it gets there at all) |
| [15:32:09] | mzb_d800: | 2. when I playback videos the bookmark feature is also enabled (and I can't see a way of attempting normal playback) |
| [15:32:32] | mzb_d800: | is there: A) a method of only using bookmarks on recordings? |
| [15:33:01] | mzb_d800: | or B) where do I find the "Start playback from bookmark" setting? |
| [15:33:25] | mzb_d800: | _OR_ do I just disable "Set bookmark on exit" |
| [15:36:14] | mzb_d800: | hmm "Clear Saved Position on Playback" ? |
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| [15:41:49] | mzb_d800: | hmmm ... "Just Exit" |
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| [15:42:11] | mzb_d800: | but now ... how do I remove (say) bookmarks on all videos? |
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| [15:49:48] | GreyFoxx: | in svn you can remove entries from the filemarkup table where type = 2' |
| [15:49:55] | GreyFoxx: | can't remember older stuff |
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| [15:53:45] | mzb_d800: | GreyFoxx: thanks ... looking at that now ... 9624 pages! (in phpmyadmin) |
| [15:54:29] | mzb_d800: | what do the different types mean? (out of interest) |
| [15:54:46] | GreyFoxx: | various seektable info, bookmarks and god knows what else :) |
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| [15:55:44] | mzb_d800: | :) ok ... thanks, I'll see how much damage I can cause when my backup is done :) |
| [15:55:52] | beakster: | Hello, I have a PCI DVB card setup and working in Myth, but the SVideo and Composite ports aren't working. Can anyone help? |
| [15:59:27] | mzb_d800: | thank goodness for that ... only about 40–50 bookmarks anyway ... shouldn't spend all night on it as it's already 3am (oops) |
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| [16:13:06] | hashbang: | beakster: a hybrid card? apparently they don't work too well with mythtv |
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| [16:17:33] | justinh: | beakster: to have those inputs work you'd have to set the card up as a different kind of tuner I think. then do the software encoding dance of crappiness |
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| [16:18:17] | justinh: | oh and you can't have mythtv use both ends (digital AND analogue) at the same time |
| [16:18:44] | justinh: | so FWIW, just wax £40 on a pvr-150. hey you could buy mine for £30 |
| [16:19:00] | beakster: | well thats ok |
| [16:19:03] | beakster: | i got 2 cards |
| [16:19:07] | beakster: | both use cx88 |
| [16:19:12] | beakster: | one is a haupaage |
| [16:19:17] | beakster: | other is a leadtek |
| [16:19:27] | beakster: | the leadtek has the composite and svideo |
| [16:19:33] | justinh: | just buy my pvr150 instead |
| [16:19:47] | beakster: | thanks, but i'd like to use this tonight to watch a laser disc |
| [16:20:05] | beakster: | i believe i need to edit the V4L driver to include the extra inputs |
| [16:20:23] | justinh: | you do realise that there'll be able 10 secs delay between what the laser disc player does & seeing it |
| [16:20:33] | justinh: | s/able/about |
| [16:20:50] | justinh: | it |
| [16:20:53] | hashbang: | justinh: good point, and a bit horrible, as I found whilst converting a VHS tape to DVD over the weekend |
| [16:21:03] | beakster: | hmm |
| [16:21:06] | justinh: | it's about as futile as putting a game console through mythtv |
| [16:21:08] | hashbang: | speaking of which, when I did so, the DVD output was horribly combed |
| [16:21:20] | beakster: | ok, so that means if u wanted to use this method to play a playstation it would be impossilbe cause of the delay? |
| [16:21:28] | justinh: | yes |
| [16:21:32] | justinh: | very much so |
| [16:21:41] | beakster: | hmm, thats a bit crap then |
| [16:21:48] | justinh: | unless you have better precognition than us mortals |
| [16:22:08] | BULLE: | or only play games that are ok with a multi second delay |
| [16:22:16] | beakster: | i have an old haaupage analog card with an 878 chip on it, would i be better using that for the analogue inputs? |
| [16:22:17] | BULLE: | like i dont know what, uhm, poker ? |
| [16:22:18] | justinh: | mythchess (tm) :D |
| [16:22:23] | BULLE: | justinh: =D |
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| [16:22:38] | justinh: | beakster: yeah, but you'll still get the delay going through mythtv |
| [16:22:40] | BULLE: | beakster: it will still give you a delay |
| [16:22:49] | beakster: | where does this delay come from? |
| [16:22:58] | BULLE: | beakster: you take an analog signal, convert it to digital ( this takes time, buffeers are used etc ) |
| [16:23:09] | mzb_d800: | hashbang: requantise the rip before you burn with mytharchive |
| [16:23:15] | justinh: | best option would be to make a new menu item which'd launch tvtime or something for the framegrabber – and forget about setting it up in mythtv altogether |
| [16:23:16] | BULLE: | beakster: then you play it back, and once again, it takes some time before audio and video starts |
| [16:23:21] | hjohnson: | beakster: it's an encoding delay. |
| [16:23:32] | beakster: | what if i view it with TVTime instead of Myth? |
| [16:23:46] | BULLE: | beakster: would be better yes |
| [16:23:51] | hjohnson: | beakster: basically myth records the vidoe and plays it back, rather than using the 878 in frame-buffer mode. |
| [16:23:52] | justinh: | see my comment above |
| [16:24:16] | beakster: | ok, well if i can use framebuffer mode on my leadtek card that would be best |
| [16:24:25] | justinh: | but you can't |
| [16:24:26] | hjohnson: | (I get this in the satcomms field too... but in our case, the delay is due to the speed of light being pathetically slow. :P) |
| [16:24:30] | beakster: | i just need to make V4L see its inputs |
| [16:24:42] | justinh: | you can't, not if mythtv is using it! |
| [16:24:54] | mzb_d800: | use your 878 |
| [16:25:06] | beakster: | so i'd have to stop the back end? |
| [16:25:18] | justinh: | the tuner is usually what's crap on old tuner cards, so bypassing that part usually gets you ok results |
| [16:25:21] | hjohnson: | I just wish that mythtv could work better with the FM tuner on my pvr-500. |
| [16:25:29] | beakster: | i'll have to dig the 878 out from under my bed, then hope i have a spare PCI slot |
| [16:25:51] | hashbang: | hjohnson: there were FM radio patches at one point. I had them working. |
| [16:25:57] | justinh: | they were shite |
| [16:26:02] | ** hjohnson would like to schedule and make podcasts out of certain radio shows that are on the local Cable FM. ** | |
| [16:26:14] | justinh: | you don't need mythtv for that |
| [16:26:19] | hjohnson: | (make a podcast of the entire "Prairie Home Companion" and some of the jazz shows. |
| [16:26:21] | hashbang: | hjohnson: forget about that, IIRC. |
| [16:26:28] | hjohnson: | I know, it's frustrating. |
| [16:26:43] | hjohnson: | justinh: except that if myth seizes the tuner, the other software is sunk. |
| [16:26:44] | justinh: | infact, it's also another great use for old BTTV tuners :P |
| [16:26:46] | hashbang: | justinh: handy stopgap until I got the DVB-T radio patches working |
| [16:26:54] | hashbang: | justinh: and of course now, DVB-T radio JFWs. |
| [16:26:55] | justinh: | DVB raido FTW |
| [16:27:11] | mzb_d800: | gnite all |
| [16:27:17] | hashbang: | mzb: ta-ta |
| [16:27:20] | justinh: | all in super digicle qualiteees |
| [16:27:50] | justinh: | hmmm dicicle. or is it digickle? |
| [16:27:55] | hashbang: | justinh: allegedly better tech specs than DAB or FM. |
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| [16:28:03] | justinh: | never mind allegedly |
| [16:28:08] | justinh: | way better than DAB |
| [16:28:12] | hashbang: | justinh: heh |
| [16:28:12] | justinh: | better bitrate |
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| [16:28:22] | hashbang: | I only listen to R4, so it's all academic. :-) |
| [16:28:31] | justinh: | DAB sucks. DAB is gonna be obsolete soon. every DAB radio will be junk |
| [16:28:42] | justinh: | as in unusable junk |
| [16:29:02] | hashbang: | justinh: between DVB-T and Internet radio? |
| [16:29:10] | justinh: | hashbang: no. DAB+ |
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| [16:29:20] | hashbang: | justinh: ah, hadn't heard of that. |
| [16:29:22] | ** hashbang googles ** | |
| [16:29:45] | justinh: | DAB+ & DRM. Digital Radio Mondiale is digital streams on the MW & LW band |
| [16:30:34] | justinh: | so don't go buying anybody a DAB radio for xmas, and advise your rellies not to buy you one too |
| [16:30:51] | justinh: | not unless it's tagged as upgradable to DAB+ at a later date |
| [16:30:51] | hashbang: | justinh: my DAB radio was 20 quid, so not too bad. |
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| [16:31:19] | justinh: | we got a Pure thingy a few years ago. hundred squids! |
| [16:31:21] | hashbang: | justinh: mind you, if Sky get their way with MPEG4-over-DVB-T, that'll cause some hurt too. |
| [16:31:34] | justinh: | yay for boxes in landfill |
| [16:31:38] | hashbang: | justinh: this was an ex-Argos model sold at TJ Hughes |
| [16:32:04] | hashbang: | justinh: was amazed it even worked, actually, given I get 0 FM or GSM signal in my home. |
| [16:32:08] | justinh: | I went to one of those places once. smelled like an old folks' home |
| [16:33:05] | justinh: | still to get a DAB radio so cheap I'd put up with the smell of wee for a few minutes |
| [16:34:00] | justinh: | it's funny going to Aldi & LIDL for their bargain thingies. god bless all those uneducated pikeys who shop there. Wayne & Waynetta incarnate |
| [16:34:22] | jduggan: | lol |
| [16:34:36] | justinh: | even funnier the names their kids have. "Charlemagne! Put that down!" |
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| [16:35:36] | justinh: | dunno what they're like in other places – just citing Greater Mancyland here |
| [16:36:39] | hashbang: | http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/0 . . . e_radio.html |
| [16:37:06] | hashbang: | justinh: despite being a fairly rundown part of town, the ones near me aren't too bad, esp. Aldi |
| [16:37:32] | hashbang: | justinh: more of those sorts of people in Tesco and Asda, TBH. |
| [16:37:37] | justinh: | needless to say I think that'll be why they're never short of cooked meats & salad etc :) |
| [16:37:52] | justinh: | ASDA.. "I see fat people" |
| [16:38:15] | hashbang: | harsh, man, harsh. :-) |
| [16:38:15] | justinh: | I had to go into Ashton Under Lyne the other weekend. man oh man. I think even the kids in pushchairs smoke |
| [16:38:44] | hashbang: | ""Pure Digital, the market leading manufacturer of DAB radios, has released its first DAB+ upgradeable receiver, called the Siesta, which is, rather boringly, a clock radio with an RRP of £50. The software upgrade — via the USB socket on the back of the product — will probably cost a further 10 to 15 Euros" |
| [16:39:06] | hashbang: | Green issues aside, probably cheapest to buy a DAB radio now, and another DAB+ radio if/when necessary later. |
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| [16:39:17] | justinh: | aye maybe |
| [16:39:52] | justinh: | still50 notes isn't bad |
| [16:40:17] | justinh: | take the gamble they'll still be afloat when dab+ comes along :P |
| [16:41:14] | hashbang: | I suspect, though, that DAB+ won't be used to increase quality, just pack more stations in |
| [16:41:43] | jduggan: | found a cheap bundle today, athlon am2 4200+, 1gb matched pair, 250gb disk and motherboard for £103 on scam.co.uk |
| [16:41:49] | hashbang: | a la 16QAM to 64QAM on DVB |
| [16:42:01] | justinh: | hashbang: yeah but remember 2k vs 8k |
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| [16:42:30] | justinh: | it's all going to 8k. 64qam on 8k is reckoned to be better than 16qam on 2k |
| [16:43:29] | justinh: | got a bit pissed off by 'coming up next' onscreen during Top Gear last night. why the hell do we need a graphic saying what's coming up next? |
| [16:43:41] | justinh: | on the "not competing for ratings" BBC ?! |
| [16:43:48] | hashbang: | justinh: so you don't switch to the other channel. :-) |
| [16:43:52] | hashbang: | heh, exactly. |
| [16:44:05] | justinh: | I can't switch to another channel because I'm not watching it live :P |
| [16:44:29] | justinh: | I can understand PlebTV doing it |
| [16:45:00] | justinh: | hey to max the profits of ITV1, just divide the screen into 4 & use 4 mono soundtracks |
| [16:45:29] | justinh: | we could have over 200 channels on Freeview that way! |
| [16:48:52] | justinh: | hashbang: conversely, it could be so I _do_ switch over. "coming up next.. I'm an egotistical tosser who should never have been allowed on TV in the first place, get me out of here!" |
| [16:49:19] | justinh: | wonder if they've ever considered that |
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| [16:54:42] | Hoxzer: | Hmm |
| [16:55:00] | Hoxzer: | Expriencing some vibrance with my LCD what would be a best way to fix that ? |
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| [17:05:08] | iamlindoro_: | hoxzer, if you're on nVidia, dunno but you might check nvidia-settings to see if there are vibrance adjustments |
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| [17:16:33] | justinh: | think it's time to opt out of the mythtv-users list again |
| [17:31:50] | klpt: | anybody have any idea why I get these messages repeated over and over again? |
| [17:31:50] | klpt: | http://pastebin.com/m290338b3 |
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| [17:32:46] | iamlindoro_: | You should only get them while in the menu structure of a DVD |
| [17:32:59] | klpt: | they repeat during the entire time i play back a dvd |
| [17:33:07] | godzirra: | Is there a search that I'm just missing somewhere in mythtv? to search your program guide for shows you want to record? |
| [17:33:28] | iamlindoro_: | If it's not causing an issue I wouldn't worry about it. If you are concerned you could talk to the libdvdnav people |
| [17:33:40] | iamlindoro_: | godzirra, you can search about amillion different ways |
| [17:33:48] | iamlindoro_: | easiest is probably mythweb |
| [17:33:56] | godzirra: | Thanks, I'll go read. |
| [17:34:03] | klpt: | iamlindoro_ – it still works, it just means my log files grow by a few megabytes each time i watch a dvd |
| [17:34:26] | iamlindoro_: | godzirra, otherwise there is a whole menu devoted to search by title, keyword, etc. |
| [17:34:30] | iamlindoro_: | in frontend |
| [17:34:48] | godzirra: | Hrm, Ahh, I see. |
| [17:35:02] | iamlindoro_: | klpt, yeah, just from looking at it it's in libdvdnav... which hasn't been updated in a long time, but you might be able to go in touch with one of them |
| [17:35:43] | godzirra: | Hmmm.. can you use the mythfrontend search via the remote? |
| [17:35:52] | godzirra: | ahh i see |
| [17:35:55] | godzirra: | nevermind |
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| [17:36:27] | godzirra: | hmmm.. is there a way through SD to say "I don't have these channels"? |
| [17:36:33] | iamlindoro_: | Yes |
| [17:36:34] | godzirra: | Its giving me up through like channel 400 |
| [17:36:38] | klpt: | alright, i'll see what i can do... |
| [17:36:39] | iamlindoro_: | you just click them and they deselect |
| [17:36:40] | godzirra: | ok, i'll go read more then. |
| [17:36:47] | godzirra: | Ah cool. |
| [17:36:51] | iamlindoro_: | Red is active, pink is inactive, I think |
| [17:36:52] | godzirra: | then I have to rerun mythfilldatabase? |
| [17:36:55] | iamlindoro_: | Yes |
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| [17:41:18] | klpt: | another strange problem |
| [17:41:27] | klpt: | i have xvmc set up for playback on both mythtv and xine |
| [17:41:39] | klpt: | i can individually watch through xine or mythtv without issues |
| [17:41:51] | klpt: | but then if i go watch the other |
| [17:41:56] | klpt: | it crashes |
| [17:41:59] | iamlindoro_: | pink n green? |
| [17:42:02] | klpt: | yeah |
| [17:42:07] | klpt: | is that a known bug? |
| [17:42:17] | iamlindoro_: | nvidia driver bug |
| [17:42:19] | klpt: | green on myth, pink on xine |
| [17:42:24] | iamlindoro_: | roll back to 100.14.11 and it'll work fine |
| [17:42:34] | klpt: | ah, alright then |
| [17:42:34] | iamlindoro_: | or live with it until they fix it, I suppose |
| [17:42:44] | klpt: | unless they fix it in the next four days... |
| [17:42:55] | klpt: | because that's when i fly out again. this is my parents' mythbox |
| [17:43:14] | klpt: | i come home from school every six months or so and fix all the IT problems and have dinner with them and leave |
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| [17:43:31] | bsdfox: | haha, reminds me of college |
| [17:43:35] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, I had to fix that one on my folk's box too |
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| [17:47:59] | Beakster: | Hi, how can I tell MythTV to always over record by 2 minutes, as it sometimes misses the end |
| [17:48:01] | klpt: | alright, thanks for the heads up. i |
| [17:48:07] | klpt: | i'm off to go fix that one |
| [17:49:19] | iamlindoro_: | Beakster, in record settings you can set it to start early or finish late |
| [17:49:36] | iamlindoro_: | TV settings, General, I believe, but not near my myth box |
| [17:49:44] | Beakster: | iamlindoro, but i dont want to do it for every program |
| [17:50:00] | Beakster: | in there can i set it to happen globally? |
| [17:50:09] | iamlindoro_: | yes, it's global |
| [17:50:56] | iamlindoro_: | You might take a look at the record settings in mythweb... may be possible to set one recording to start early/end late but if so I've never done it |
| [17:52:02] | Beakster: | ok, thanks :) |
| [17:53:53] | fryfrog: | Beakster: there are two record early/late settings, a global one and a per recording schedule. |
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| [17:54:16] | Beakster: | cool, i've set DefaultEndOffset in MythWeb to 3 |
| [17:54:21] | fryfrog: | the global one is an *optional* one, ie if the be sees that no shows are recording before/after, it'll record extra. if shows are scheduled right before/after, it won't do it |
| [17:54:35] | fryfrog: | if you set a per *recording* after/before, it'll be perm |
| [17:54:47] | fryfrog: | *and* it'll stop other shows from being recorded before/after due to overlap |
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| [17:55:28] | Beakster: | ok thanks fryfrog |
| [17:55:57] | godzirra: | So after changing my lineup (all I did was take a few premium channels out) I just need to run mythfilldatabase? No flags? |
| [17:56:08] | fryfrog: | also make sure your clock is accurate (ntpd perhaps), but that doesn't mean the networks are accurate |
| [17:56:17] | fryfrog: | in datadirect? |
| [17:56:23] | iamlindoro_: | godzirra, well you can add --refresh-all but shouldn't be necessary |
| [17:56:24] | godzirra: | SD |
| [17:56:28] | fryfrog: | i think you'll need to nuke the chans in db or use... that |
| [17:56:28] | godzirra: | Ok. |
| [17:56:36] | fryfrog: | it won't remove deleted channels by default |
| [17:56:45] | iamlindoro_: | If they're still there then delete them in mythweb and they shouldn't come back |
| [17:56:46] | godzirra: | use --refresh-all? |
| [17:56:57] | fryfrog: | check the --help output |
| [17:57:01] | godzirra: | I dont know what mythweb is yet... I've only been running mythtv for 2 days :) |
| [17:57:03] | fryfrog: | there might be an option with "delete" in it |
| [17:57:24] | fryfrog: | php scripts to run on a web server that makes controlling your mythtv over the web possible |
| [17:58:18] | godzirra: | Hrm I dont see any options with delete. |
| [17:58:23] | godzirra: | is there a way to completely overwrite everything? |
| [17:58:30] | Beakster: | hey, is there anyway I can launch TVTime from MythTV? |
| [17:58:31] | fryfrog: | refresh-all should prolly do it |
| [17:58:32] | godzirra: | So I dont have to go through and deletel ike 300 channels manually? |
| [17:58:38] | godzirra: | ok |
| [17:59:36] | fryfrog: | i always forget :) |
| [18:00:02] | fryfrog: | my spider sense is telling me you'll have to delete them yourself *or* just nuke your channels/line up and re-configure that part |
| [18:00:24] | godzirra: | not sure how to do that, so we'll see if refresh-all works first. |
| [18:01:03] | iamlindoro_: | Beakster, the only way I could think of to do that would be to configure it as a mythgame script |
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| [18:01:31] | fryfrog: | why would you use tvtime from myth? |
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| [18:01:59] | Beakster: | because i have just set up TVTime to display the output from my LaserDisc player through an old 878 card |
| [18:02:04] | godzirra: | ok, slightly odd question. |
| [18:02:15] | fryfrog: | So set it up in myth instead? |
| [18:02:21] | godzirra: | If I wrote a plugin for mythtv that suggested shows that other people liked based on your recordings, would anyone want to use it? |
| [18:02:26] | godzirra: | Any of you, rather. :) |
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| [18:02:38] | fryfrog: | godzirra: sounds like the tivo thing |
| [18:02:40] | godzirra: | Thats the one thing I havent seen in myth so far, and someone told me myth can't do that. |
| [18:02:41] | Beakster: | fryfrog, if i do that then there will be a delay i was told |
| [18:02:48] | godzirra: | fryfrog: Yeah, its for my wife who likes tivo. |
| [18:02:49] | godzirra: | Well, liked. |
| [18:02:54] | Beakster: | fryfrog, because myth cache's video |
| [18:02:56] | godzirra: | We're making the switch. |
| [18:03:01] | godzirra: | as soon as I can pick up a tv out card. |
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| [18:03:07] | fryfrog: | i think a lot of people would like that, i'd be happy with one that *suggest* but didn't record them myself, but having the option to record suggested programs would rule for some |
| [18:03:20] | ** godzirra nods. ** | |
| [18:03:24] | godzirra: | i'll have to see how hard it is. |
| [18:03:31] | fryfrog: | Beakster: for your laser disk, what does a delay matter? |
| [18:03:32] | godzirra: | Seems like all of myth's plugin support has to be done in C, which sucks for me. |
| [18:03:38] | fryfrog: | the delay would only ruin video gaming really |
| [18:03:57] | Beakster: | fryfrog, becuase the audio output of the LaserDisc goes stright into my surround sound amp with an optical cable |
| [18:04:03] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [18:04:08] | fryfrog: | yeah, that'd be farked then :) |
| [18:04:20] | fryfrog: | why not optical -> computer, then optical from computer _> surround? |
| [18:04:26] | Beakster: | got it working nicely from TVTime, lauched from an icon on the desktop |
| [18:04:27] | fryfrog: | in theory, myth can replace everhything |
| [18:04:36] | Beakster: | fryfrog, dont have an optical in |
| [18:04:45] | fryfrog: | ah, that'd do it |
| [18:04:51] | Beakster: | fryfrog, i could do that via some analog cables tho i guess |
| [18:04:54] | fryfrog: | i'd probably just use irexec to launch tvtime |
| [18:05:06] | Beakster: | oh, thats a good idea :) |
| [18:05:09] | fryfrog: | do you really need surround/super-awesome audio from a laser disk? |
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| [18:05:33] | Beakster: | fryfrog, its nice to have, the later laser discs all have digital audio on them |
| [18:05:46] | fryfrog: | ah, so it really is decent |
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| [18:05:53] | fryfrog: | what type of surround do they have? |
| [18:05:57] | fryfrog: | pro logic? |
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| [18:06:12] | Beakster: | fryfrog, THX |
| [18:06:25] | fryfrog: | that is a certification, not a surround sound? |
| [18:06:35] | fryfrog: | DTS, Dolby Digital, etc |
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| [18:06:58] | Beakster: | looking at Apollo 13 and it says on the cover "This laserdisc has a Matrixed Surround sountrack" |
| [18:07:32] | fryfrog: | i bet wikipedia could tell me, if i were not so lazy :) |
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| [18:07:46] | Beakster: | fryfrog, my Judge Dredd one has "AC-3 Digital Dolby Surround"" |
| [18:07:59] | fryfrog: | wow! |
| [18:08:05] | fryfrog: | you have a lot of laser disks :) |
| [18:08:10] | fryfrog: | havne't you heard of DVD? ;) |
| [18:08:11] | Beakster: | haha, i got about 11 |
| [18:08:18] | Beakster: | don't like DVDs or CDs |
| [18:08:26] | fryfrog: | ohz mahz godz! |
| [18:08:30] | Beakster: | they are too plasticy and crap and i always break the cases |
| [18:08:31] | fryfrog: | why not? |
| [18:08:38] | Beakster: | LaserDiscs and Vinyls are my formats of choice |
| [18:08:39] | fryfrog: | haha |
| [18:08:45] | fryfrog: | wow |
| [18:08:50] | fryfrog: | thats hardcore :) |
| [18:09:01] | Beirdo: | and Beta for your VCR? |
| [18:09:07] | Beakster: | its much nicer having a big colourful 12" cover |
| [18:09:20] | Beakster: | no, I hate magnetic tape! no VHS or Beta |
| [18:09:23] | fryfrog: | i'm wondering what your portable record player looks like :) |
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| [18:09:35] | Beakster: | iPod for the Car im afriad |
| [18:09:46] | Beirdo: | what, no 8-track? :) |
| [18:09:59] | Beakster: | nah, sorry :) |
| [18:10:01] | fryfrog: | magnetic tape, duh! |
| [18:10:02] | Beirdo: | heh :) |
| [18:10:14] | Beirdo: | you could put a turntable in the car, I suppose |
| [18:10:22] | Beirdo: | hope the roads are smooth |
| [18:10:22] | Beakster: | it used to be popular |
| [18:10:28] | Beakster: | before 8 track came out |
| [18:10:37] | Beakster: | luxuary american cars had in car record players |
| [18:11:03] | Beirdo: | heh. I wouldn't put MY vinyl in there |
| [18:11:16] | Beirdo: | take one drive to somewhere, it's all scratched up |
| [18:11:17] | fryfrog: | thats what she said ;P |
| [18:11:27] | Beakster: | i imagine they didnt last long if u went off road ;) |
| [18:11:41] | sinthetek: | Beakster: where were they? i've never seen a car with a record player in the dash or trunk |
| [18:11:45] | Beirdo: | well, with the roads here in PR, they wouldn't last long ON road |
| [18:12:06] | Beakster: | sinthetek in the front somewhere, i read up on it a while ago. i'll see if i can find a link |
| [18:12:08] | sinthetek: | i thought all car stereos went straight from radio to radio/8-track |
| [18:12:13] | Beirdo: | I bottomed out the Prius in a hugeass pothole the othe day |
| [18:12:17] | Beirdo: | other rather |
| [18:12:24] | Beirdo: | I was SO not pleased |
| [18:12:25] | sinthetek: | i believe you, just wondering how they could have fit it in/made it practical etc |
| [18:12:38] | Beakster: | http://ookworld.com/hiwayhifi.html |
| [18:12:50] | Beakster: | http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9687999-1.html |
| [18:12:55] | Beakster: | some cool pics there |
| [18:13:12] | fryfrog: | i have read about them too, but i think they were pretty rare |
| [18:13:27] | Beakster: | yeah, i think they were probably very expensive too |
| [18:13:34] | Beakster: | just top end luxary cars |
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| [18:17:23] | rsp2k: | anybody successfully running myth 0.20 on xebian 1.1.4? |
| [18:18:03] | Dabian: | Hi. I managed to watch some TV with my PVR350 using ivtv-utils, /bin/cat, a pipe and mplayer. Now I just need MythTV to work. I have two questions:1) Can I run mythtv-setup or something to that effect on a CLI interface, so it doesn't freeze or at least tells me where it freezes?2) Is there a safe way to drop all setupdata, including mysql-tables? (I obviously don't have any recordings I need to preserve). |
| [18:18:48] | fryfrog: | just drop/create the db for the last part |
| [18:18:58] | fryfrog: | for the mythtv-setup, you could export over X via ssh? |
| [18:19:17] | fryfrog: | or also use "mythtv-setup -v important" maybe, but i'm not sure if it takes the "-v" option |
| [18:19:50] | Dabian: | fryfrog : I tried making it give more output yesterday .. but we didn't really find anything useful for debugging. |
| [18:20:05] | Dabian: | It hangs when I try to detect video-sources |
| [18:20:08] | Dabian: | at 50% |
| [18:21:13] | Dabian: | fryfrog: When I try to scan for channels, it complains that it cannot open the card, even though I stopped the backend, and can use /dev/video0 from other programs. |
| [18:22:02] | Dabian: | I wonder if it gets confused that I have video16/32/48 etc. |
| [18:22:10] | iamlindoro_: | No |
| [18:22:13] | iamlindoro_: | That's normal |
| [18:22:50] | Dabian: | Its still hanging .. probably at 50% .. but it doesn't show when I've been "away from X". |
| [18:23:47] | Dabian: | fryfrog : I have 2 myth databases .. if I drop them, how do I recreate them? |
| [18:24:15] | fryfrog: | oh, this :/ |
| [18:24:24] | fryfrog: | sorry, don't do what i suggested |
| [18:24:30] | fryfrog: | i don't know anything about what you are doing :) |
| [18:24:42] | Dabian: | Just trying to start from fresh |
| [18:25:06] | Dabian: | Something must have gone terribly wrong .. maybe I installed myth years ago .. before I got a capture card. |
| [18:25:23] | Dabian: | I tried to reinstall myth .. but the data sticks in the DB.. |
| [18:25:56] | fryfrog: | mysqladmin -u root -p drop mythconverg |
| [18:26:05] | fryfrog: | re-run, replace "drop" with "create" |
| [18:26:07] | Dabian: | fryfrog : Hmm .. I am wrong .. there is only one db for myth .. the one you mentioned. |
| [18:26:26] | Dabian: | fryfrog : Myth will recreate the tables itself? |
| [18:26:35] | Dabian: | (I just checked .. lots of tables) |
| [18:28:14] | squidly: | hmm.. this is odd.. |
| [18:28:19] | fryfrog: | uh, no there is a script that'll do it i think |
| [18:28:26] | squidly: | the xmltv probe is not working any more :( |
| [18:28:27] | fryfrog: | search for umm, *.sql? |
| [18:28:32] | fryfrog: | mc.sql comes to mind |
| [18:28:42] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, mc.sql |
| [18:28:47] | fryfrog: | mysql -u root -p mythconverg < mc.sql |
| [18:28:51] | fryfrog: | would re-create the db |
| [18:28:55] | iamlindoro_: | no mythconverg |
| [18:29:01] | iamlindoro_: | mysql -u root -p < mc.sql |
| [18:29:21] | fryfrog: | oh, does it specifiy the db in the file? |
| [18:29:29] | iamlindoro_: | no, it creates the db in the file |
| [18:29:37] | iamlindoro_: | you can't open a dbase that doesn't exist |
| [18:29:58] | Dabian: | ahh .. so I dont recreate it? |
| [18:30:02] | fryfrog: | ah, then don't run the "mysqladmin -u root -p create mythconverg" :) |
| [18:30:15] | iamlindoro_: | right |
| [18:30:37] | iamlindoro_: | mc.sql is only like six lines long... all it really does is create the db and set the text encoding |
| [18:30:38] | Dabian: | fryfrog : btw .. syntaks is "mysql -u root -p <create|drop> DATABASE mythconverg" |
| [18:31:05] | fryfrog: | what do you mean? |
| [18:31:08] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [18:31:13] | fryfrog: | "mysql*ADMIN*" |
| [18:31:15] | fryfrog: | mysqladmin |
| [18:31:17] | Dabian: | fryfrog : you need the database keyword .. :) |
| [18:31:19] | Dabian: | oh ok |
| [18:31:22] | Dabian: | never used that one. |
| [18:31:30] | fryfrog: | but using mysql and your thing works too i'm sure |
| [18:31:53] | Dabian: | right .. at least for dropping .. :) |
| [18:32:00] | Dabian: | Maybe we both learned ;) |
| [18:32:16] | Dabian: | I didn't notice you wrote mysqlADMIN :) |
| [18:32:45] | Dabian: | btw .. seems that UBUNTU might have chosen not to include mc.sql... |
| [18:34:02] | Dabian: | oh .. never mind |
| [18:34:12] | iamlindoro_: | is probably in /usr/share/mythtv/sql |
| [18:34:25] | Dabian: | dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database # seemed to do the trick. :) |
| [18:34:52] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: You're right .t here it is. |
| [18:35:02] | Dabian: | wonder why "locate" failed me :/ |
| [18:36:04] | iamlindoro_: | locate is really unreliable |
| [18:37:09] | Dabian: | apparently |
| [18:37:22] | Dabian: | I guess maybe I need to run updatedb or something. |
| [18:37:38] | Dabian: | anyhow .. now I have a clean db:) |
| [18:37:57] | Dabian: | (I dropped the DB again, and run the command to fill it from mc.sql just to be on the safe side) |
| [18:38:10] | Dabian: | s/fill/create/ |
| [18:39:33] | Dabian: | OK .. I guess I just run mythtv-setup ... select the card, drop sources and input configuration, and skip to channels straight away, right? |
| [18:40:06] | iamlindoro_: | Well, you go to input config to scan for channels |
| [18:42:33] | Dabian: | OK .. trying .. got a lot of errors first time, but managed to setup language to danish. |
| [18:42:44] | Dabian: | I'm restarting X and retrying. |
| [18:43:40] | iamlindoro_: | *sigh*. I think it's sad that Dabian apologizes that english is his second language and yet he writes better than most native americans. I weep for our education system. ;) |
| [18:44:01] | Dabian: | Thanks |
| [18:44:22] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, no problem. but anyway, you are clear so good for you. |
| [18:44:38] | iamlindoro_: | Meanwhile, I speak german and french, but can't even say hello in Danish. ;) |
| [18:44:48] | Dabian: | :) |
| [18:45:14] | iamlindoro_: | although I expect it's something germanic |
| [18:45:26] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, yes, it is |
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| [18:47:46] | Cyberai: | I'm having an interesting issue. I changed my channel lineups on Schedules Direct, went into sql and did a truncate on the programs table. Yet, when I run mythfilldatabase --refresh-all, I get the old channel listings. What gives? |
| [18:47:52] | sege: | my transcoded recordings to low/medium/high makes my mythfrontend crash when trying to preview recordings. is this some known bug or something? what am i missing? |
| [18:48:31] | sege: | its using a huge amount of memory and then crash |
| [18:48:35] | Dabian: | Myth doesn't find my card when I try to scan channels in "input configuration" |
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| [18:51:26] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: Hello in danish would be "Hallo" or "Goddag" or "Davs" .. but the last two are more like "Good day" or "hi" and the first is mostly used sarcastic or on the phone. |
| [18:51:49] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, looked it up ;) |
| [18:51:57] | Dabian: | :) |
| [18:52:15] | iamlindoro_: | ergo guten tag = god dag |
| [18:52:17] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: Do you happen to know how myth performs channel scan? |
| [18:52:17] | iamlindoro_: | :) |
| [18:52:21] | Dabian: | right :) |
| [18:52:41] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, can you be more specific about what you want to know about it? |
| [18:53:38] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: Well .. when I watch telly with this card .. I use "ivtv-tune -t europe-west -c <my_channel>" .. I never managed to scan for channels .. but I have a homepage that lists which channels the programs are supposed to be on. |
| [18:54:39] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, well in a worst case scenario we can try to scan into a channels.conf and import that into myth, but myth's scan should work if you set the right frequency table and modulation |
| [18:54:49] | iamlindoro_: | Probably, as you said, Europe west, and probably QAM 256 or 64 |
| [18:54:54] | iamlindoro_: | probably 256 |
| [18:56:46] | Dabian: | I am not sure what QAM is |
| [18:56:59] | iamlindoro_: | It's the modulation type for cable |
| [18:57:02] | iamlindoro_: | well, one of them |
| [18:57:21] | iamlindoro_: | The method by which the signal is transmitted in cable systems |
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| [18:57:49] | iamlindoro_: | In the US, it's commonly QAM 64 or 256... dunno about Denmark |
| [18:57:55] | Dabian: | So .. I can run a commandline program and pipe the output in channels.conf and somehow make myth eat that file? |
| [18:58:05] | iamlindoro_: | But you have the option to set them on the channel scan screen, so you should play with them until you find the one that works |
| [18:58:17] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, that's an absolute last resort |
| [18:58:22] | iamlindoro_: | yes, with czap |
| [18:58:26] | Dabian: | ok |
| [18:59:10] | iamlindoro_: | Also keep in mind when you are scanning QAM that your channel 2 might not be there as 2 in Myth's scan... all of my channels (which end up being 2–12) during Myth's scan are 80-something |
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| [18:59:59] | Dabian: | Where do I set QAM? |
| [19:00:11] | iamlindoro_: | Should be pretty obvious on the channel scan screen |
| [19:00:19] | Dabian: | oh .. I was at input :) |
| [19:00:24] | iamlindoro_: | you have an option for frequency table, and one for modulation, I think |
| [19:00:32] | iamlindoro_: | Well, select the Tuner input |
| [19:00:40] | iamlindoro_: | and there's a button called scan for channels in there |
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| [19:02:00] | Dabian: | In "general" there is a setup for "frequency table" .. lemme check if there is modulation as well .. |
| [19:02:07] | iamlindoro_: | No, not in general |
| [19:02:17] | iamlindoro_: | General is just the overall one for the system, not the per-tuner |
| [19:02:55] | iamlindoro_: | When you are on the right screen, you will know... There is another option for freq. table, modulation, character to delimit multiplexed channels, etc. |
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| [19:03:45] | iamlindoro_: | As I said, go to inputs, choose (probably) "tuner 1" or something like that, and go to the button next to fetch channel lineups called "Scan for channels" |
| [19:03:54] | iamlindoro_: | This is from memory, though, so YMMV |
| [19:03:58] | Dabian: | I only have 5 options on the first screen: generel, tv-card, video-source, input, and channel-editor or similar |
| [19:04:08] | Dabian: | ok .. lemme check input then. :) |
| [19:04:44] | iamlindoro_: | It actually probably calls it "/dev/video0 -> Tuner 1" |
| [19:04:47] | iamlindoro_: | Or something like that |
| [19:04:59] | Dabian: | it says "none" |
| [19:05:23] | iamlindoro_: | That's ok, it just means it doesn't have listings associated with it. You can still go in and do the channel scan |
| [19:05:35] | Dabian: | /dev/video0 (tuner1) -> none |
| [19:05:43] | iamlindoro_: | at least.. I think. Haven't ever set myth up without listings |
| [19:05:45] | Dabian: | when I do the channel scan .. it says it cannot open the card. |
| [19:05:54] | iamlindoro_: | Sheesh |
| [19:06:02] | Dabian: | I think the problem is that I have no listings. |
| [19:06:09] | iamlindoro_: | No |
| [19:06:14] | Dabian: | and since I cannot get any listings .. |
| [19:06:22] | iamlindoro_: | Lots of people set up without listings |
| [19:06:30] | Dabian: | With this card? |
| [19:06:35] | Dabian: | I turned off vbi btw |
| [19:06:35] | iamlindoro_: | Card doesn't matter |
| [19:06:58] | Dabian: | I thought I would make the basic work, then worry about vbi later. |
| [19:07:12] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, well it's not going to change the setup with or without vbi |
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| [19:07:21] | Dabian: | Right |
| [19:07:37] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, who are you running mythtv-setup as? |
| [19:07:43] | iamlindoro_: | We tried it as root, right? |
| [19:07:45] | Dabian: | So .. I guess I want to know about "czap" ? :) |
| [19:07:46] | iamlindoro_: | yesterday |
| [19:07:51] | Dabian: | yeah |
| [19:08:02] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, not going to do you any good if you can't open the channel scan screen |
| [19:08:09] | iamlindoro_: | Since that's where you'd import channels.conf |
| [19:08:17] | Dabian: | I can open the channel scan screen |
| [19:08:34] | Dabian: | It just complains that it cannot open the card when I ask it to scan for channels. |
| [19:08:44] | iamlindoro_: | Hrm |
| [19:08:56] | iamlindoro_: | That is really strange |
| [19:09:01] | iamlindoro_: | what is the message exactly? |
| [19:09:02] | Dabian: | Then complains about programming error. |
| [19:09:04] | justinh: | find out which user group the card belongs to. usually it's 'video' |
| [19:09:11] | Dabian: | The message is in danish ... |
| [19:09:27] | justinh: | then make sure the user you're running mythtv-setup as is a member of that group |
| [19:09:43] | justinh: | there are popups during installation to make sure of that |
| [19:09:51] | Dabian: | "kortet kan ikke åbnes" |
| [19:09:58] | jheizer: | the backend is not running is it? |
| [19:10:16] | Dabian: | justinh : yesterday I tried as root, and even put root in the mythtv group |
| [19:10:19] | MythNoob: | would anyone know why i cant pull down the lineups? |
| [19:10:22] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, you can check that in /etc/group... find the lie that starts video: and see if all your users are added to it |
| [19:10:23] | Dabian: | jheizer Nope |
| [19:10:35] | justinh: | Dabian: has to be the _video_ group |
| [19:10:47] | Dabian: | I'm in the group |
| [19:10:53] | Dabian: | so is "mythtv" |
| [19:10:57] | justinh: | actually you should check the card is actually working in linux first |
| [19:11:00] | jheizer: | k, just joined channels o didn't catch the beginning |
| [19:11:01] | iamlindoro_: | he did |
| [19:11:07] | iamlindoro_: | can watch in mplayer, with cat |
| [19:11:22] | iamlindoro_: | just no go in channel scan |
| [19:11:30] | justinh: | weirdness |
| [19:11:32] | Dabian: | jheizer : Very relavant question .. just not the first time I got it. :) |
| [19:11:42] | jheizer: | hehe yeah |
| [19:11:44] | MythNoob: | anyone? |
| [19:11:53] | iamlindoro_: | MythNoob, not with the information you have given |
| [19:11:58] | justinh: | the only other thing I can think of is that Dabian has specified the card type incorrectly |
| [19:11:58] | iamlindoro_: | ie, none |
| [19:12:04] | Dabian: | s/lav/lev/ |
| [19:12:17] | MythNoob: | i already signed up and paied , i have a internet connection on the box |
| [19:12:18] | justinh: | hey I asked a question last week. anybody know the answer? |
| [19:12:22] | Dabian: | justinh : PVR350 .. specified it as mpeg2 |
| [19:12:23] | iamlindoro_: | MPEG-2 Encoder, right Dabian? |
| [19:12:30] | MythNoob: | i dont know why else |
| [19:12:33] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, what's the question? |
| [19:12:36] | iamlindoro_: | hahahaha |
| [19:12:37] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: Yeah |
| [19:12:54] | iamlindoro_: | I'm dense, took me a second to get that and it was too late |
| [19:12:55] | MythNoob: | yes yes very funny |
| [19:13:06] | MythNoob: | lol |
| [19:13:10] | justinh: | MythNoob: if that's about Schedules Direct they have a forum you know. You'd probably get an answer faster there |
| [19:13:44] | justinh: | besides if I'd paid money for something I'd be more inclined to go direct to the company involved |
| [19:13:56] | MythNoob: | i c , i just wanted to make sure it wasnt a hardware issue be4 i went out and got another tuner |
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| [19:14:10] | iamlindoro_: | It's surely not a hardware issue |
| [19:14:27] | iamlindoro_: | well, almost surely |
| [19:14:30] | iamlindoro_: | not tuner related, anyway |
| [19:14:33] | justinh: | MythNoob: you'll need to make sure you're not running a version of mythtv that's too old – that much is certain. for SD support you need >= 0.20.2 |
| [19:14:58] | MythNoob: | would you if i have to MOD , mythtv to use it with SD or is the fucktion already built in ? |
| [19:15:04] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: well .. actually the danish translation is more like "mpeg2 encoder card" .. but I just checked, there is no other mpeg2. |
| [19:15:12] | MythNoob: | ooops |
| [19:15:12] | iamlindoro_: | In .20.2 it's built in |
| [19:15:17] | justinh: | MythNoob: if you use >= 0.20.2 it's built in |
| [19:15:30] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, yes that sounds right |
| [19:16:02] | MythNoob: | ok here's another one , can i use an HDTV tuner to tune SD channels? |
| [19:16:11] | iamlindoro_: | Depends the tuner |
| [19:16:17] | Dabian: | So .. maybe we should give czap a shot and see if that fails? |
| [19:16:24] | iamlindoro_: | Some of them will also tune analog, but mostly as framegrabbers... which suck |
| [19:16:36] | justinh: | MythNoob: you can use some to do that but they're nothing more than framegrabbers in SD mode, which is sucky as a sucky duck |
| [19:16:54] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, ha |
| [19:16:59] | iamlindoro_: | my brother from another mother |
| [19:17:06] | justinh: | the other sucky thing is that you can't use the SD & HD parts at the same time |
| [19:17:24] | justinh: | so honestly I'd just avoid that option & buy a pvr150 or so |
| [19:17:45] | MythNoob: | ok so i should scrap the tuner? and get a SD one? |
| [19:17:45] | justinh: | btw I'm not on any kind of commission from Hauppauge, but if they want to send me $$$ they can if they want |
| [19:17:58] | Dabian: | hehe :) |
| [19:18:08] | iamlindoro_: | Heh... I honestly think they must sell more cards to the linux crowd than windows these days |
| [19:18:42] | justinh: | MythNoob: for HD, get HD tuners. for SD, get SD tuners. Framegrabbers are lame & usually tie up a soundcard (per tuner) to record audio – which complicates matters too much for 80% of framegrabber users |
| [19:18:44] | MythNoob: | ok i will go out and buy one but name a good one |
| [19:18:46] | Dabian: | I can't recommend PVR350 with myth and Ubuntu as it is :) |
| [19:18:54] | justinh: | PVR-150 from Hauppauge |
| [19:19:02] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, I wouldn't recommend a 350 period :) |
| [19:19:03] | justinh: | or the dual tuner pvr500 |
| [19:19:21] | justinh: | pvr150 or pvr500. pvr500 is like two pvr-150 cards on one pci card |
| [19:19:26] | Dabian: | Problem with PVR-150 is that you risc getting the unsupported PVR-1600 .. they sell it as PVR-150 these days, I heard.. |
| [19:19:40] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, you can get Haupp. to replace it with a 150 if you need to |
| [19:19:48] | MythNoob: | i really hope it'll work because i already spend north of 500 on this mythbox |
| [19:19:51] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: But who pays for shipping? |
| [19:19:56] | iamlindoro_: | Them |
| [19:19:58] | justinh: | Dabian: yes, but it's been a while since I heard of that happening and as iamlindoro_ said Hauppauge will ship it out FOC |
| [19:20:17] | justinh: | linux sales have been good for them, obviously |
| [19:20:18] | Dabian: | They pay shipping both ways? |
| [19:20:30] | justinh: | Dabian: apparently so |
| [19:20:31] | Dabian: | From Denmark? |
| [19:20:38] | justinh: | they have local offices ya know |
| [19:20:51] | Dabian: | Heh .. I very much doubt they have one in Denmark :) |
| [19:20:53] | MythNoob: | can i have you make another recommendation? , whats a good IR reciver? |
| [19:20:53] | iamlindoro_: | Or just buy a 500, get an extra tuner, and avoid the rick |
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| [19:20:57] | iamlindoro_: | er risk |
| [19:21:03] | Dabian: | Right |
| [19:21:07] | iamlindoro_: | mythnoob, the one that comes with the pvr-150 mce :) |
| [19:21:13] | MythNoob: | lol |
| [19:21:13] | justinh: | Dabian: they have one in the UK so I don't see why not |
| [19:21:18] | Dabian: | I think I might do that. |
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| [19:21:35] | Dabian: | justinh : The UK is like central for whole of Europe, because they speak english, I guess. |
| [19:21:42] | MythNoob: | aight , best buy is sure to have that kinda thing right? |
| [19:21:56] | iamlindoro_: | they usually carry 150s |
| [19:22:03] | iamlindoro_: | but not 500s |
| [19:22:26] | iamlindoro_: | I personally prefer the MCE because you get the USB IR receiver, a good remot, and RCA audio in |
| [19:22:42] | justinh: | Dabian: your nearest might be sweden I think. or holland |
| [19:23:00] | justinh: | I got the MCE without the remote pack |
| [19:23:05] | justinh: | cheapest :) |
| [19:23:06] | Dabian: | I guess PVR-500 is equal to 350 in that it delivers mpeg2 directly, right? |
| [19:23:13] | justinh: | Dabian: yup |
| [19:23:28] | justinh: | slightly better quality actually, since its chipset is newer |
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| [19:23:41] | MythNoob: | speaking of that , i went out last night and bought an USB irDA , are those anygood |
| [19:23:50] | Dabian: | So the only advantage of the 350 to the 150, is that you get to have a lot of fun trying to make it work. :-P |
| [19:23:53] | justinh: | irDA != CIR (consumer IR) |
| [19:24:09] | justinh: | IrDA is useless for remote controls |
| [19:24:15] | justinh: | _useless_ |
| [19:24:16] | MythNoob: | even a brand less one VS. the microsoft one? |
| [19:24:17] | Dabian: | s/to the/over the/ |
| [19:24:37] | Dabian: | MythNoob : Language! |
| [19:25:08] | rsp2k: | I've controlled my tv from an irDA port before. |
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| [19:25:21] | rsp2k: | it was with some crappy windows software though. |
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| [19:25:23] | justinh: | rsp2k: not with LIRC you ain't |
| [19:25:24] | Dabian: | MythNoob : Think of this as a family channel .. you wouldn't want to expose innocent children to such words. |
| [19:25:25] | rsp2k: | but it's possible. |
| [19:25:30] | MythNoob: | because the one i got is some what brandless and it didnt work , so i thought maybe the one that comes with micosofts MCE remote would work |
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| [19:25:37] | rsp2k: | not currently maybe. but it could be made to work. |
| [19:25:56] | justinh: | rsp2k: put it this way, folks have enough hassle & braindamage trying to make plain lirc work without complicating it with irda |
| [19:25:58] | Dabian: | MythNoob : Again! Please control yourself! |
| [19:25:58] | MythNoob: | oh right right sorry |
| [19:26:05] | Dabian: | Thanks. |
| [19:26:12] | jheizer: | lol |
| [19:26:30] | MythNoob: | i forgot this linux land |
| [19:27:25] | iamlindoro_: | Meh, Myth users != linux evangelist psychos... necessarily |
| [19:27:31] | jheizer: | so ow many people are on a bad word machine right not? |
| [19:27:42] | jheizer: | *right now? |
| [19:27:55] | iamlindoro_: | It's just that decent PVR software *happens* to only run on non-MS OS'es :) |
| [19:27:56] | Dabian: | I'm on Gutsy Gibbon |
| [19:28:00] | tgm4883: | not right now, but i was earlier |
| [19:28:11] | tgm4883: | i had to reach the top shelf and had no later |
| [19:28:17] | ** jheizer is, .Net developer ** | |
| [19:28:18] | iamlindoro_: | I'm chatting on Windows, hey, a fella's got to work |
| [19:28:18] | tgm4883: | ladder |
| [19:28:25] | iamlindoro_: | At least it's xChat |
| [19:28:27] | MythNoob: | im on that which we do not say the name of .... lol |
| [19:28:36] | jheizer: | hahaha |
| [19:28:41] | Dabian: | hehe |
| [19:28:43] | jheizer: | so almost everyone |
| [19:28:54] | jheizer: | we try to escape, but can't |
| [19:29:24] | Dabian: | I manage – for now. |
| [19:29:46] | MythNoob: | the 150 |
| [19:29:48] | Dabian: | Only *BEEP* machine I have .. is my GPS for the car. |
| [19:30:10] | MythNoob: | the 150's ir would work with the 880 ? |
| [19:30:20] | iamlindoro_: | This feels like a nerd's a/s/l check |
| [19:30:25] | jheizer: | LMAO |
| [19:30:26] | Dabian: | lol |
| [19:30:40] | MythNoob: | harmony 880 that is |
| [19:30:51] | iamlindoro_: | MythNoob, it should, I believe you can emulate the mceusb remote with the harmony |
| [19:30:54] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: czap is in DVB-utils? |
| [19:30:58] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, yes |
| [19:30:59] | jheizer: | Distro/Version/Kernel ? |
| [19:31:13] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: But I am analog, right? |
| [19:31:16] | jheizer: | yeah, I use my 880 with a pvr receiver |
| [19:31:20] | iamlindoro_: | Right |
| [19:31:46] | MythNoob: | cool , cus i would hate to have to use the one that comes with the 150 |
| [19:32:06] | jheizer: | nice that harmony already has them all entered |
| [19:32:12] | jheizer: | jsut have to pick it as your remote |
| [19:32:14] | Dabian: | jheizer: And you answer like "Debian/?/Hurd" or "Debian/?/kFreeBSD" or "SunOS/4.2/unix" ? |
| [19:32:18] | iamlindoro_: | forgot about that... I think there used to be an ivtv channel scan tool... but I've never needed any of those so I may be minimal help |
| [19:32:59] | jheizer: | Dabian: lol yeah was joking like Gentoo/2006.1/2.6.22 or what ever |
| [19:33:19] | jheizer: | Dabian: guess for me now it would be Win/XP/crappy |
| [19:33:35] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: OK .. there was some docs for ivtv-utils .. |
| [19:33:53] | MythNoob: | anyway im off to pick up the 150 . thanx everyone |
| [19:34:01] | jheizer: | have fun |
| [19:34:09] | Dabian: | jheizer : I'd be "Ubuntu/Gutsy Gibbon/`uname -r`" I guess :) |
| [19:34:11] | MythNoob: | it better work lol |
| [19:34:19] | jheizer: | hahaha |
| [19:35:11] | jheizer: | at least in my apt linux outnumbers 4:2 |
| [19:36:01] | iamlindoro_: | Hey Dabian |
| [19:36:11] | Dabian: | Yeah? |
| [19:36:12] | iamlindoro_: | go into capture card setup and look at your card |
| [19:36:31] | iamlindoro_: | confirm that, case sensitive, it is detecting the device as /dev/video0 |
| [19:36:46] | Dabian: | ok |
| [19:37:02] | Dabian: | It is |
| [19:37:22] | iamlindoro_: | What does it show in the probed info |
| [19:37:33] | Dabian: | PVR-350 [ivtv] |
| [19:37:37] | Dabian: | hauppauge |
| [19:37:46] | Dabian: | WinTV |
| [19:38:12] | Dabian: | Hauppauge WinTV PVR-350 [ivtv] |
| [19:38:21] | iamlindoro_: | Hrm, so it can clearly get to the card *somewhat* |
| [19:38:32] | Dabian: | Standard input is "Tuner 1" |
| [19:38:58] | iamlindoro_: | ok, hrm... And it's set to PAL, right, not NTSC? |
| [19:39:24] | iamlindoro_: | AH |
| [19:39:46] | iamlindoro_: | read this: |
| [19:39:47] | iamlindoro_: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=434277 |
| [19:39:50] | iamlindoro_: | Which links to: |
| [19:39:55] | iamlindoro_: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1762954 |
| [19:39:55] | Dabian: | Its setup to PAL in general. |
| [19:40:12] | iamlindoro_: | although... why that would fix it I don't know |
| [19:40:16] | iamlindoro_: | But give it a shot |
| [19:41:33] | iamlindoro_: | And, of coruse, restart X/Restart after |
| [19:41:39] | MythNoob: | hey i just looked @ their web site and they dont have the 150 , however they have the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1600 |
| [19:41:45] | MythNoob: | is that any good ? |
| [19:41:51] | iamlindoro_: | Not for linux at the moment |
| [19:41:56] | Dabian: | wow |
| [19:41:58] | iamlindoro_: | Whose web site? |
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| [19:42:23] | MythNoob: | best buy didnt have it |
| [19:42:34] | iamlindoro_: | Have seen it in a store as recently as last week |
| [19:42:51] | Dabian: | MythNoob: HVR-1600 is completely unsupported as it is .. unless you like to juggle with experimental code that nobody knows about. |
| [19:42:51] | MythNoob: | and nither did radio shack so i went to circuit city |
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| [19:43:08] | MythNoob: | no thank you |
| [19:43:15] | Dabian: | Thought so :) |
| [19:43:22] | MythNoob: | damn it |
| [19:43:38] | iamlindoro_: | Although the HVR 1800 is going to be sek-say when the drivers are all merged in |
| [19:44:46] | MythNoob: | i hate buying stuff online |
| [19:45:16] | MythNoob: | i hate the wait i should say |
| [19:45:46] | godzirra: | Me too. |
| [19:45:49] | godzirra: | instant gratification ftw. |
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| [19:46:02] | godzirra: | And while i'm on the subject, Target and Walmarts Black Friday prices suck ass. |
| [19:46:20] | godzirra: | Ooooh.. an 80 gb ipod for $249 on black friday! I have to get there early... |
| [19:46:25] | godzirra: | oh wait... its that price -all- the time. |
| [19:46:36] | erago: | hello, I have a skystar2 card and a 4-port diseqc. I can import channels from port1 but no from the others. The scanner window says "No lock". Any ideas? |
| [19:46:50] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, you saw my post above on your problem, right? |
| [19:47:04] | iamlindoro_: | Trying that? |
| [19:48:10] | Dabian: | yea |
| [19:48:26] | Dabian: | X starts up in low graphics mode... so strugling a bit |
| [19:48:36] | Dabian: | could seem like the problem though. |
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| [19:49:43] | iamlindoro_: | Hrm, Removing the Wacom stuff shouldn't affect graphics modes, strange |
| [19:49:46] | iamlindoro_: | oh well, off to lunch |
| [19:49:47] | MythNoob: | looks like im stuck buy it online |
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| [19:50:13] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: Enjoy :) |
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| [19:52:18] | Dabian: | something strange is going on with X .. lazy as I am .. I'll just reboot however. |
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| [19:52:33] | justinh: | reboot, to sort out a problem with X? rofl |
| [19:54:14] | justinh: | uh-oh... UK authorities 'lost' discs containing over 15 million people's personal details. and they want us to trust them with a DNA database?! |
| [19:54:50] | justinh: | and ID cards? anybody got a job going outside the UK? I'm there |
| [19:54:50] | jheizer: | haha |
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| [19:56:14] | MythNoob: | ok nothing to do now but wait forever for the 150 to get here |
| [19:56:40] | MythNoob: | i just bought it online ! |
| [19:57:51] | MythNoob: | where did everyone go |
| [19:59:12] | MythNoob: | i guess it must be tea time |
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| [20:02:08] | jheizer: | haha |
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| [21:09:35] | directhex: | gah |
| [21:09:40] | directhex: | jfs is a waste of space file system |
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| [21:13:30] | Cyberai: | I'm running MythTv 0.20.2 and I recently edited my channels in order to eliminate some channels I do not actually get because they are pay-per-view. However, doing a mythfilldatabase does not correct my guide. I even trued truncating the programs table in sql. How do I force MythTV to reload the channel data correctly? |
| [21:13:58] | iamlindoro_: | Remove it at the listings source |
| [21:14:02] | iamlindoro_: | ie, SchedulesDirect |
| [21:14:29] | iamlindoro_: | Then redo what you did... ought to work |
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| [21:20:15] | Cyberai: | hmmm, worth a try |
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| [21:25:14] | fysa: | Targus USB Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR adapter (silver) from Office Depot works perfectly in Linux, OS X and Windows — no hackery needed. |
| [21:25:29] | fysa: | Uses broadcom chipset. |
| [21:26:53] | fryfrog: | Cyberai: remove from listings, then remove from db |
| [21:26:58] | fryfrog: | oh, bah somsone ealsready said that |
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| [21:28:44] | directhex: | fysa, IME, bluetooth JustWorks(tm) |
| [21:29:22] | Cyberai: | fryfrog, so I should truncate the table? |
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| [21:29:32] | Cyberai: | program table or a diff one? |
| [21:29:40] | fryfrog: | the channel table |
| [21:29:46] | fysa: | this IMFE of that ;) |
| [21:29:49] | fryfrog: | and i would just nuke the channels you don't want from the channel table |
| [21:29:52] | black_Nightmare_: | any of you ever seen serial-bluetooth adapters? (or did someone type into wikipedia without checking?) |
| [21:30:22] | fryfrog: | i can't imagine serial is fast enough for blue tooth? |
| [21:30:28] | fryfrog: | or do you mean a bluetooth serial *port*? |
| [21:30:29] | fysa: | I think the other way ;) |
| [21:30:39] | fryfrog: | ie, bluetooth thing you put on your cisco router? |
| [21:30:42] | black_Nightmare_: | "most PCs require an external USB or RS-232 Bluetooth dongle." quoting this section from wikipedia |
| [21:30:47] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [21:30:49] | fysa: | ah |
| [21:30:59] | fryfrog: | i've *never* heard of a serial bluetooth dongle, but that doesn't mean it don't exist :) |
| [21:31:24] | fysa: | we had an early Bluetooth prototype dev kit from the working group that had a serial port.. |
| [21:31:25] | fysa: | but that's it. |
| [21:31:52] | fysa: | the thing was the size of a DVD-ROM drive. |
| [21:32:44] | fysa: | directhex: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/imageview.php?image=7113 – that has been my experience with bluetooth to date ;) |
| [21:33:17] | black_Nightmare_: | heh |
| [21:33:22] | directhex: | don't buy cheap chinese crap then! |
| [21:33:30] | black_Nightmare_: | thats some empty space |
| [21:33:39] | black_Nightmare_: | probably could cut the case in half and it'll still fit |
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| [21:35:19] | fryfrog: | holey cow |
| [21:35:24] | fryfrog: | the antenna isn't hooked to anything??? |
| [21:35:38] | fysa: | haha |
| [21:35:38] | fysa: | yeah |
| [21:35:48] | fryfrog: | that... is... awesome. |
| [21:35:51] | fysa: | isn't it? |
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| [21:35:59] | fryfrog: | best thing ever :) |
| [21:36:24] | fysa: | definitely keeping it. |
| [21:36:35] | fysa: | I can't believe I had actually gotten it working at one point. |
| [21:36:38] | fryfrog: | that is *yours*? it wasn't some random pic on the nets? |
| [21:36:58] | fysa: | that's a random pic, which I found after searching for "bluetooth fake antenna" when the glue on my case softened enough that the case .. fell off. |
| [21:37:04] | fryfrog: | the bt card built into my msi laptop works great, the combo wireless card on it was a little harder, but ndis made it work |
| [21:37:11] | fryfrog: | bwhahahah |
| [21:38:48] | black_Nightmare_: | well... $99.95usd for serial bluetooth adapter |
| [21:38:56] | black_Nightmare_: | thats just asking too much but thats iogear's msrp -_- |
| [21:38:57] | fryfrog: | buhsebus |
| [21:39:08] | fryfrog: | why wouldn't you get a usb one? |
| [21:39:18] | black_Nightmare_: | fryfrog....and where is it even supposed to plug at all? :p |
| [21:39:32] | fryfrog: | what, usb or serial? |
| [21:39:46] | black_Nightmare_: | there is a spare serial port left that could be used ;) |
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| [21:44:52] | black_Nightmare_: | hm well either way..going to be interesting to find an irda cable for the motherboard then to see about if it could somehow pick up this mitsubishi remote I like :p |
| [21:45:46] | fryfrog: | i think irda is not usable with remotes |
| [21:45:52] | fryfrog: | it is on a very different frequency |
| [21:46:30] | black_Nightmare_: | no? there's already several mentions online |
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| [21:48:40] | black_Nightmare_: | lirc mentions "built-in IrDA ports" on their main page as starters |
| [21:49:37] | fryfrog: | well, humm... wouldn't be the first time i'm wrong :) |
| [21:49:41] | black_Nightmare_: | heh ;) |
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| [21:50:36] | black_Nightmare_: | beside if I can figure it out..might be fun if the mitsubishi remote was to work the pc as "tv" (its got tv/tv&vcr/vcr buttons near top) :) |
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| [21:51:34] | black_Nightmare_: | so far that would mean the only thing not quite used yet on the board probably would be parallel and serial2 ports alone |
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| [21:51:55] | black_Nightmare_: | wb mzhb |
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| [21:56:26] | black_Nightmare_: | fryfrog...I can't think of any good use for the parallel port .. can you? heh :-> |
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| [21:56:41] | ** black_Nightmare_ always could just set it disabled in bios anyway ** | |
| [21:58:05] | dr_lulz: | for led fun, or for running old commodore floppy drives ;) |
| [21:59:02] | black_Nightmare_: | hm..these were parallel based? |
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| [22:00:41] | black_Nightmare_: | dr_lulz ? |
| [22:02:17] | dr_lulz: | no, but you can build an adapter to connect them to a parallel port |
| [22:02:32] | dr_lulz: | thats how i use my parallel port |
| [22:02:37] | black_Nightmare_: | ah hmm |
| [22:02:51] | directhex: | computers need a geekport |
| [22:03:11] | black_Nightmare_: | wonder if that couldn't apply to...these apple disk drives (yeah these soft eject ones that was standard option with the II-IIgs's) |
| [22:03:30] | black_Nightmare_: | directhex...ha...find a bebox yourself then and drown yourself in geekport fun :p |
| [22:03:50] | directhex: | black_Nightmare_, i can't run my r5.0 cd on a hobbit cpu though |
| [22:03:59] | iamlindoro_: | Mmmmm, bebox |
| [22:04:05] | iamlindoro_: | blinkenlights |
| [22:04:08] | iamlindoro_: | mmmmmmmmmmm |
| [22:04:11] | black_Nightmare_: | iamlindoro...ROFL :)) |
| [22:04:12] | directhex: | geek geek! |
| [22:04:17] | black_Nightmare_: | you people are sure weird |
| [22:04:18] | black_Nightmare_: | :p |
| [22:04:30] | iamlindoro_: | *you* mentioned BeBoxen |
| [22:04:40] | black_Nightmare_: | bebox..not beboxen you silly thing |
| [22:04:45] | iamlindoro_: | Wanted that almost as badly as I wanted an Indy back in the day |
| [22:05:05] | iamlindoro_: | BeBox * n = Beboxen |
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| [22:05:54] | black_Nightmare_: | heh |
| [22:09:18] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm found a schematic for serial-IR circuit |
| [22:10:18] | black_Nightmare_: | hm has me thinking about if there's any site for computer electronic circuits |
| [22:11:00] | bsdfox: | what kind of circuit |
| [22:11:07] | directhex: | rs232 ir receiver |
| [22:11:58] | justinh: | homebrew lirc recievers, ftw! |
| [22:12:41] | black_Nightmare_: | bsdfox..well anything to do with computers |
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| [22:14:13] | Dabian: | For some odd reason, MythTV cannot scan for channels on my system as it is. How do I manually supply a list of channels for it, so I can use MythTV? |
| [22:14:14] | justinh: | black_Nightmare_: some of the guides on how to build homebrew lirc receivers explain everything so well you don't need to know squat |
| [22:14:35] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, you tried the fix I posted, no luck? |
| [22:14:46] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: Right |
| [22:14:57] | Dabian: | iam: I removed all references to wacom |
| [22:16:15] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, just for fun, go here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XMLTV#Denmark Set up a listings source, attach it to tuner 1, then try channel scan |
| [22:16:23] | Dabian: | I have access to 8 or 10 channels here, as it is, so it shouldn't be too much work to manually construct a file. |
| [22:16:26] | black_Nightmare_: | heh found three links and look at this one from one of them... |
| [22:16:35] | black_Nightmare_: | http://www.aaroncake.net/circuits/jammer.asp so dumb simple but "annoying" :p |
| [22:16:45] | justinh: | ugh I need to burn some DVDs |
| [22:17:10] | iamlindoro_: | At least that's per: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/208574 |
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| [22:19:15] | justinh: | black_Nightmare_: I'd pay money for a mobile phone signal obliterator |
| [22:19:46] | black_Nightmare_: | heh :p |
| [22:20:12] | justinh: | preferably one that could erase crap music from flash devices at a stroke, too. if I hear that fsking Leona Lewis song one more time I SWEAR... |
| [22:20:16] | ali1234: | £130? |
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| [22:21:05] | black_Nightmare_: | it would had to be eeprom-based flash which would be quite rare in modern music players tho :p |
| [22:21:20] | justinh: | maybe a small EMP generator would help :D |
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| [22:22:34] | justinh: | just goes to show how kids these days aren't bothered about the quality of audio reproduction. very sad. at least in my day we carted massive ghettoblasters around – and they had bass |
| [22:22:40] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: It seems these grabbers just fetches info about the stuff being broadcasted? |
| [22:22:54] | justinh: | I think the most annoying thing is that the sound is just so tinny & grating |
| [22:23:03] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, yes, that's what all the listings sources do |
| [22:23:13] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: they don't |
| [22:23:14] | Dabian: | Oh |
| [22:23:29] | justinh: | the majority of them won't tell you what frequencies the channels are on |
| [22:23:30] | black_Nightmare_: | there is one specific circuit I do want tho... |
| [22:23:38] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, well, I'm parsing his language, they do what I *think* he's saying they do :) |
| [22:23:50] | black_Nightmare_: | a digital volume control as I'll prefer to have the up/down buttons rather than a spinning wheel you know |
| [22:24:00] | justinh: | black_Nightmare_: easy peasy |
| [22:24:16] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, just set one up, give me the benefit of the doubt |
| [22:24:18] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: They wont tell me which frequency to use ... |
| [22:24:32] | iamlindoro_: | You'll ultimately want listings anyway, so even if we have to go another way, you'll at least have listings set up |
| [22:24:39] | Dabian: | iaml: Thats local for the antenna group I am in. They use AV-equipment to move the channels. |
| [22:24:42] | justinh: | if there are only EIGHT channels, why the hell is there all this dilly dallying? |
| [22:25:20] | black_Nightmare_: | justinh...yeah? |
| [22:25:44] | justinh: | can't take long to manually add eight channels with the frequency info |
| [22:26:44] | ali1234: | black_Nightmare_: you need a digital potentiometer. just use it to replace the regular analogue pot in a normal amp circuit |
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| [22:27:37] | ali1234: | i prefer the rotating button on an old stereo tho... you can tell how loud it is before you turn it on at 4 am and wake up the neighbours |
| [22:28:02] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm digital potentiometer..I'll have to hope the local electronic store carries these....*makes a note* |
| [22:28:03] | justinh: | AFAIK scanning analogue signals with ivtv tuners has always been a bit flaky anyway |
| [22:28:30] | black_Nightmare_: | ali..heh this is volume control for only the internal woofer in this custom pc system anyhow (the speakers would have their own seperate control somewhere anyhow) |
| [22:28:43] | ali1234: | black_Nightmare_: get some free "samples" from maxim or whoever |
| [22:28:46] | black_Nightmare_: | two small buttons on front of case looks better than a crummy wheel to me ^_^ |
| [22:28:49] | justinh: | just use a 50 cent pot |
| [22:29:00] | justinh: | less drilling for one thing |
| [22:29:14] | ali1234: | yeah 1 round hole is easier than two square ones |
| [22:29:23] | black_Nightmare_: | umm did you miss "custom" ? :p |
| [22:29:29] | justinh: | heh. I used the word 'pot' in the same sentence as '50 cent' |
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| [22:30:34] | justinh: | whenever I see the words 'custom' and 'pc' next to each other my heart sinks, imagining some ugly monster lit up with wanker lights, sorry :) |
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| [22:31:24] | kormoc: | it's not a custom pc until you design and build your own cpu! |
| [22:31:25] | directhex: | justinh, not a fan of Custom PC magazine then? |
| [22:31:30] | Dabian: | justinh: But how do I enter the channels manually? |
| [22:31:33] | ali1234: | i heard those UV lights make the water cooling tubes biodegrade much quicker, leading to leaks |
| [22:31:37] | black_Nightmare_: | justinh...lol...this is complete different from what you're saying ;) |
| [22:31:38] | justinh: | Dabian: in the 'channel editor' |
| [22:31:47] | Dabian: | Oh neat :) |
| [22:31:47] | klpt: | is there a way to give preference to recording the HD version of a show? |
| [22:31:52] | black_Nightmare_: | this is actually a simple wood case with some custom frames to make things mount well inside .. thats all ;) |
| [22:31:57] | justinh: | directhex: would I have used the term 'wanker lights' otherwise? |
| [22:31:58] | kormoc: | ali1234, that makes no sense at all |
| [22:32:06] | Dabian: | Darn thing I dont have a printer. |
| [22:32:07] | black_Nightmare_: | so hence the front is rather whatever I want to make it as ;) |
| [22:32:13] | ali1234: | i think i read it on /. so it's probably rubbish |
| [22:32:26] | justinh: | but the EMI screening capability of wood is erm... rather lacking ;P |
| [22:32:50] | directhex: | there are some really nice custom jobs |
| [22:32:57] | directhex: | and some really impressive ones too |
| [22:32:59] | black_Nightmare_: | justinh....several standard cases don't even have much metal plates in them at all |
| [22:33:05] | directhex: | the problem is just how cheap things like windowed cases are |
| [22:33:12] | klpt: | your computer is basically immune to RFI |
| [22:33:26] | justinh: | klpt: true, but that doesn't mean it won't EMIT RFI |
| [22:33:29] | klpt: | the thing is that your computer would probably not pass FCC noise emission requirements without a metal screen |
| [22:33:33] | klpt: | but... you probably don't care |
| [22:33:46] | justinh: | "wah, my wireless network is crappy" |
| [22:33:50] | justinh: | :D |
| [22:34:18] | black_Nightmare_: | klpt...well...tell that to these case makers -_- |
| [22:34:18] | justinh: | I'm a fine one to talk, sitting here next to a PC with no sides on the case |
| [22:34:55] | klpt: | i haven't seen any cases that don't have metal sides... |
| [22:35:01] | black_Nightmare_: | I'm probably just going to have one single small scrap metal plate in the case to keep peace with the cpu and psu transformer being so close to each others anyhow |
| [22:35:04] | klpt: | or at least metal screens |
| [22:35:10] | klpt: | on the insides of plastic sides |
| [22:35:33] | klpt: | don't worry about your power supply, it's already in a metal box |
| [22:35:37] | justinh: | I just hope my LC02 can keep a core2 duo mobile chip cool, quietly |
| [22:35:52] | black_Nightmare_: | klpt..what metal box? ^_^ |
| [22:36:10] | justinh: | black_Nightmare_: it should be in a metal box. something about safety |
| [22:36:12] | klpt: | haha, you're running your power supply without its case? |
| [22:36:32] | justinh: | get a 400 or 500V jolt from one of them & you know about it |
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| [22:36:52] | justinh: | yes, there are voltages that high inside PC PSUs |
| [22:37:23] | black_Nightmare_: | klpt...the original one was with lot of unused space in the upper half so for that reason its been disassembled (and fashioned the fan to be mounted off the pcb) as to make it quite more compact for the smaller case upcoming |
| [22:37:36] | dserban: | What's a good media pc keyboard? Bluetooth, rf? seperate mouse? etc? anyone have any good recommendations? |
| [22:37:49] | directhex: | logitech dinovo desktop? |
| [22:37:53] | justinh: | mouse? in a livingroom? not a great idea |
| [22:37:59] | bsdfox: | I'm running a psu with no case in one of my frontends |
| [22:38:04] | ali1234: | logitech stuff is usually pretty reliable |
| [22:38:11] | dserban: | directhex, yeah i looked at that one, looks nice |
| [22:38:15] | black_Nightmare_: | almost noone even bother selling any good small-case psu anymore .. they're usually only old (and too under-rated for my need as well) 120–180W ones |
| [22:38:16] | ** viridari hooks up his first HDHomeRun and has mixed feelings ** | |
| [22:38:17] | directhex: | actually i have harsh words for logutech reliability |
| [22:38:18] | justinh: | bsdfox: I hope you know what you're doing already then |
| [22:38:30] | bsdfox: | yes |
| [22:38:39] | justinh: | black_Nightmare_: pico-psu |
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| [22:38:46] | dserban: | justinh, yeah though I thought for gaming maybe a trackball would be nice, but I can't find a wireless one. |
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| [22:38:55] | dserban: | ugh....... |
| [22:38:58] | ali1234: | i spilled a plateful of gravy in my logitech keyboard... just ran it under the tap and it was fine |
| [22:39:13] | justinh: | gaming? what is this 'gaming' you earthlings talk so much about? |
| [22:39:15] | black_Nightmare_: | justinh...that'll barely handle about 70–80% of the typical fulltime load so not good |
| [22:39:25] | dserban: | justinh, the kids... think about the kids! |
| [22:39:45] | directhex: | justinh, it's what we do when we're not busy being bitter and resentful |
| [22:39:45] | justinh: | consoles are for games |
| [22:39:58] | directhex: | justinh, that reminds me, i should go splat some zombies on the xbox |
| [22:40:02] | black_Nightmare_: | admittly I could always try fashion two in parallel but thats then a bit expensive compared to just re-fashion my existing psu |
| [22:40:08] | directhex: | i now have the movie on which Dead Rising is based, in HD! |
| [22:40:15] | directhex: | the movie's more disturbing than the 18-rated game :/ |
| [22:40:16] | rmcnamara__: | Mmmm, my mass effect just showed up via UPS :) |
| [22:40:21] | viridari: | HDHomeRun itself works GREAT. Grabs digital streams, and sends them to Myth without a hitch. MythTV decodes these streams well. The big beef is the channel mappings don't mate up at all with Schedules Direct |
| [22:40:30] | justinh: | MAME is only one letter away from LAME. of all the millions of old games out there not many were worth the effort of finding the old roms |
| [22:40:42] | viridari: | the other beef is with the cable company (time warner) which encrypts all but the local channels |
| [22:41:01] | justinh: | viridari: so go drive a truck into one of their headends. that'll show em |
| [22:41:03] | rmcnamara__: | I am seriously considering going home early to play Mass Effect... er... watch my sick dog. |
| [22:41:29] | viridari: | justinh: I'm likely to just stick an antenna on the roof and forego the cable bill |
| [22:41:43] | viridari: | justinh: it would be a lot less hassle to pull OTR signal :) |
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| [22:42:06] | dserban: | justinh, heh, yeah maybe i have a twisted idea of creating a "complete and final solution" tm |
| [22:42:12] | dserban: | :) |
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| [22:43:12] | black_Nightmare_: | there is one small possibility tho..if someone would figure out where I could find an orangemico scsi card and some nice hd to go with that I always could run the board off picopsu and the hd/etc off their own seperate power supply |
| [22:43:16] | black_Nightmare_: | but meh not sure ;) |
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| [22:44:43] | justinh: | I reckon the smart mythtv users have always had separate front & backends. keep the FE nice & light as possible (bearing in mind it has to be able to play the content), then shove a big ugly noisy box in another room |
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| [22:45:28] | black_Nightmare_: | well this isn't only for mythtv alone so :p |
| [22:46:00] | jduggan_: | my problem is my cable feed comes into the lounge right behind the tv |
| [22:46:12] | jduggan_: | so it means i have to get that moved out of the living room |
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| [22:46:37] | klpt: | so... anybody.... prioritizing HD recording over SD recording? I have an HDTV card and an SDTV card and receive some channels on both, how do I encourage mythtv to record on the HDTV card whenever possible? |
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| [22:46:51] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, I do so on my HD cards |
| [22:46:59] | directhex: | klpt, set the card with a higher priority in mythtv-setup |
| [22:47:18] | justinh: | cardinput priorities! |
| [22:47:21] | klpt: | i did that, but the problem is my HD feed is offset by an hour |
| [22:47:32] | justinh: | so? |
| [22:47:37] | klpt: | it's later |
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| [22:47:44] | klpt: | so mythtv prioritizes earlier recordings |
| [22:47:45] | justinh: | it should always use the card with the higher priority |
| [22:48:12] | klpt: | maybe it's a weighting algorithm and if i really crank the priority up a lot...? |
| [22:48:19] | justinh: | aye maybe |
| [22:48:24] | iamlindoro_: | So set up the recording per show and say only on that tuner |
| [22:48:39] | iamlindoro_: | unless they're both the same listings source |
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| [22:49:07] | jduggan_: | woot, nearly only 3 years left to wait until freeview comes |
| [22:49:08] | jduggan_: | :| |
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| [22:50:55] | black_Nightmare_: | hehehe... parallel video digitiser circuit... :p |
| [22:51:05] | black_Nightmare_: | might be alike to the old amiga ones |
| [22:51:29] | directhex: | jduggan_, which new freeview? |
| [22:51:42] | jduggan_: | directhex: new freeview? |
| [22:51:52] | jduggan_: | :) |
| [22:51:58] | jduggan_: | new to me.. in 3 years time |
| [22:53:54] | jduggan_: | my freeview comes from a far away transmitter.. some days it can be fine, then it can go terrible for days even weeks on end.. all relative to the weather etc it seems |
| [22:53:58] | jduggan_: | so ive about given up |
| [22:54:05] | jduggan_: | my local xmitter gets changed in 2011 ;) |
| [22:54:06] | directhex: | dvb-s! |
| [22:54:40] | jduggan_: | would rather not use $ky :) |
| [22:55:53] | jduggan_: | how many channels can you pickup without using a card? |
| [22:57:33] | directhex: | i have a list, hang on |
| [22:57:33] | directhex: | http://forums.hexus.net/1232310-post8.html |
| [22:57:33] | directhex: | assuming a sky dish. you get more channels with a bigger dish and a second LNB pointing elsewhere |
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| [23:01:31] | black_Nightmare_: | meh that was a crazy split |
| [23:01:38] | iamlindoro_: | Probably don't need much voltage to drive tiny cones |
| [23:01:57] | black_Nightmare_: | iamlindoro...anyway as I was saying: (which I don't even have anymore...having defaulted back to the old yamaha bass speakers I still like..they have their own volume&tone knob controls anyway) |
| [23:02:05] | iamlindoro_: | "And speaking of tiny cones, how's your mom?" |
| [23:02:05] | iamlindoro_: | haha |
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| [23:02:12] | iamlindoro_: | I'm juvenile ;) |
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| [23:03:33] | black_Nightmare_: | so well anyway.. 50W amplifier + digital audio control for it = should be a bit of fun |
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| [23:04:13] | black_Nightmare_: | ugh not again! |
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| [23:04:39] | black_Nightmare_: | anyone think a good electronic store should usually have cmos gate ic's in stock? |
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| [23:07:05] | directhex: | some of the "zone" stuff looks fun |
| [23:07:07] | directhex: | i'm planning on getting a dish fitted when i have my own house |
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| [23:12:42] | black_Nightmare_: | damn..so many windows opened...hrm..maybe should print some of the good ones |
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| [23:20:01] | directhex: | yay freenode |
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| [23:37:43] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm just thought of something else... |
| [23:38:14] | black_Nightmare_: | 'infraed head phones' circuit but me thinking..looking at diagram.....replace the headphone icon with the speakers .. and presto... wireless speakers :)) |
| [23:38:17] | ** black_Nightmare_ hehs ** | |
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| [23:39:40] | ali1234: | have you ever used wireless headphones? they suck even worse than normal headphones |
| [23:39:56] | ali1234: | the IR ones anyway... |
| [23:41:00] | jedix: | normal headphones can be really good |
| [23:41:06] | black_Nightmare_: | have any better idea out of curiousity ali? |
| [23:42:52] | ali1234: | if i absolutely had to have wireless speakers, i'd definately get ones that use a digital radio link. possibly bluetooth, but i don't know if that can carry high quality audio, or if it only does telephone quality. |
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| [23:46:22] | RaYmAn-B1: | iirc AD2P Bluetooth profile is relatively high-quality (stereo at least..) |
| [23:46:39] | ali1234: | i don't really see the point of wireless everything, you still have to plug it in to electricity anyway |
| [23:48:25] | RaYmAn-B1: | there are usually a lot of power plugs around houses..you need to put down cables (which easily gets ugly) to connect things |
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| [23:50:55] | ali1234: | behind my tv is a foot deep pile of cables |
| [23:51:10] | ali1234: | two more arn't going to make any difference |
| [23:51:14] | directhex: | only a foot? |
| [23:52:14] | ali1234: | yeah i don't have a home theatre setup or anything. just a tv, myth, regular stb and a dvd player |
| [23:54:43] | directhex: | ah. and not 8 games consoles either. *cough* |
| [23:55:56] | ali1234: | oh yeah. i don't really play games, so i bought a gamecube... |
| [23:57:35] | black_Nightmare_: | well I have no idea about getting bluetooth tho so thats out for now |
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| [23:59:06] | black_Nightmare_: | (sorry for slow response..was afk for supper without mentioning it) |
| [23:59:25] | mzb_d800: | black_Nightmare_: RF is probably the best for audio, unless it's short range and no RF interference ... in which case AD2P would probably be quite acceptable |
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