| Monday, November 19th, 2007, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:27] | Der_Thomas: | ~.lircrc maps your remote buttons to the keyboard buttons that run mythtv |
| [00:00:35] | Anduin: | or use the native lirc support (need ~/.mythtv/lircrc) |
| [00:00:48] | Pogonip_new: | godzirra; I have a .lircrc file that might help. |
| [00:00:49] | hads: | ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [00:01:04] | Der_Thomas: | Pogonip_new, did you set your sql to allow remote connections? |
| [00:01:26] | Der_Thomas: | Anduin:, oh yeah I forgot about that. I never got that to work |
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| [00:01:57] | Pogonip_new: | Der_Thomas; On the BE? I did comment out the binds |
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| [00:02:17] | godzirra: | Pogonip_new: Any help is much appreciated. :) |
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| [00:02:54] | Pogonip_new: | godzirra; I'll paste it for you. Give me a minute though, it's on my other system/ |
| [00:03:08] | Der_Thomas: | Pogonip_new, yeah on the BE, I forget how to do it right now, but it is in docs. Try to connect to the BE sql server by hand 1st |
| [00:03:11] | Anduin: | Pogonip_new: Not bindings, access by hostname/IP (there is a section in the main MythTV docs for allowing all access) |
| [00:03:19] | godzirra: | sure thing. thakn you. |
| [00:03:57] | Pogonip_new: | Anduin; Now I remember. Thanks |
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| [00:09:11] | godzirra: | I tried using the default mceusb2 version thats on that page, then restarting my backend and frontend, but no such luck |
| [00:11:59] | Pogonip_new: | godzirra; .lircrc file http://pastebin.ca/781792 |
| [00:12:25] | Anduin: | godzirra: run mythfrontend --version and make sure lirc is there |
| [00:12:38] | godzirra: | .... |
| [00:12:40] | godzirra: | Anduin: its not. |
| [00:12:55] | godzirra: | What does that mean? |
| [00:13:02] | Anduin: | godzirra: It didn't find the lirc client lib/header during configure |
| [00:13:22] | godzirra: | Oh. Because it wasnt there during configure. |
| [00:13:23] | godzirra: | damnit. |
| [00:13:26] | godzirra: | that means I have to recompile myth? |
| [00:13:38] | Anduin: | godzirra: Yes, ccache |
| [00:13:48] | godzirra: | bummer. |
| [00:13:54] | godzirra: | oh well, recompiling. |
| [00:14:31] | hads: | ccache is great. |
| [00:14:32] | Anduin: | godzirra: check the output of configure or config.mak to make sure it found it |
| [00:14:37] | godzirra: | it did. |
| [00:14:42] | godzirra: | I checked the output of ./configure |
| [00:15:00] | godzirra: | What is ccache? |
| [00:15:42] | hads: | http://ccache.samba.org/ |
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| [00:16:52] | Anduin: | It allows you do to insane things like have your default build script do a distclean so you never need to remember. |
| [00:23:42] | jedix: | would one put that at the end or the beginning? |
| [00:24:52] | janneg: | beginning |
| [00:25:12] | a1fa: | zoneminder anyone? |
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| [00:28:06] | godzirra: | ok, i've got using_lirc now when I run mythfrontend --version |
| [00:28:12] | godzirra: | but my remote still isnt working |
| [00:28:35] | Anduin: | godzirra: the button names in ~/.mythtv/lircrc match /etc/lircd.conf? |
| [00:29:37] | godzirra: | It has the same type of buttons if thats what you mean. |
| [00:29:47] | godzirra: | i.e. Down, VolDown, VolUp, etc. |
| [00:32:58] | cmoates: | When trying to get a QAM channel to match a schedules direct channel, what is the key identifier? |
| [00:33:01] | cmoates: | Channel number? callsign? |
| [00:33:04] | godzirra: | I can paste both if that would help? |
| [00:33:32] | Anduin: | godzirra: sure, though if your ~/.mythtv/lircrc is the one from the wiki page there is no need |
| [00:34:15] | Anduin: | godzirra: should also look at the frontend output/log |
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| [00:35:00] | godzirra: | wheres the log for the front end? |
| [00:35:50] | Anduin: | godzirra: No default, it "logs" to stdout/err so if you didn't redirect... |
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| [00:37:22] | mzb_d800: | godzirra: loungetv:~# grep ^mythfrontend /home/mythtv/.xinitrc |
| [00:37:22] | mzb_d800: | mythfrontend -l /home/mythtv/mythfrontend.log 2>&1 |
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| [00:40:48] | godzirra: | Anduin: what am I looking for? there's no output when I hit a button on the remote |
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| [00:42:28] | Anduin: | godzirra: Oh something like lirc_init failed or Failed to read lirc config |
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| [00:45:20] | godzirra: | N |
| [00:45:22] | godzirra: | ope |
| [00:45:23] | godzirra: | nothing like that. |
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| [00:55:49] | godzirra: | So what now/ |
| [00:55:50] | godzirra: | ? |
| [00:56:22] | black_Nightmare_: | can't remember if I asked before or not but anyhow anyone have any comment on buying this kind of card? http://www.vesalia.de/e_abitau10.htm |
| [00:56:39] | macly: | well this is interesting... I moved over all my old shows from my previous mythtv box, and when I go to play the on the new one, I only get the top half of them in the tv... |
| [00:56:44] | macly: | and they're all stretched weird... |
| [00:56:57] | macly: | BUT they show up properly in the preview window... |
| [00:57:42] | macly: | dear god... did aticonifg... no... fscking virtual screens! |
| [00:58:05] | Anduin: | godzirra: paste your lircd.conf |
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| [00:58:40] | mzb_d800: | black_Nightmare_: looks similar to my ES1371, which I'm pretty sure isn't Dolby ;) |
| [00:59:05] | macly: | hmm, no, that's not it... |
| [00:59:06] | mzb_d800: | heh .. but then I'm just getting distracted by the pretty colours ;) |
| [00:59:16] | mzb_d800: | (not enough caffeine again) |
| [00:59:28] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb...heh..well I kinda like how its got the 5.1 output port and these four internal headers but we'll just see yet |
| [00:59:38] | black_Nightmare_: | I still can't decide which card I really want to settle on yet ^_^ |
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| [00:59:49] | macly: | anyone have any ideas about why I'm only seeing the top half of video playback (either mythtv OR myth-video...) |
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| [01:01:24] | Der_Thomas: | macly, you MIGHt be aboe to adjust this in settings->tv playback. there are some settings for playback x-y offset and size |
| [01:01:41] | black_Nightmare_: | oh yeah and btw mzb..me just starting to get my pc together on the bench to at least try boot it up (especially to see if the tnt2 m64 is working well too) .. so probably tomorrow or so I should be able to know what kind of cablings I'll need when I design my custom case finally :p |
| [01:02:00] | black_Nightmare_: | (the tnt2 is really only temp, till I can find the 3dfx or geforce4 card to go in permamently) |
| [01:02:05] | macly: | Der_Thomas, cool, I'll look into it, but seriously, it's EXACTLY halfway... almost like it WAS a virtual screen, but only the top half is being displayed |
| [01:02:29] | mzb_d800: | black_Nightmare_: gf4 would be good, fx5200 would probably be better |
| [01:02:51] | godzirra: | Anduin: http://pastebin.com/m5f1ac67 |
| [01:02:58] | mzb_d800: | I'm using mx420 and mx440 in my mythboxen |
| [01:05:56] | Anduin: | godzirra: and you have ~/.mythtv/lircrc (not .lircrc)? It should be working... you are using -fixes? |
| [01:06:27] | godzirra: | What is -fixes? (that'd be a no) |
| [01:06:29] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb...hm...well not sure about that but we'll see.. the one only fx5200 ad near here got sold already and ebay isn't looking friendly total-price-wise |
| [01:06:33] | godzirra: | and I do have ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
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| [01:07:21] | mzb_d800: | black_Nightmare_: sounds like you're not in an immediate hurry for the graphics card ... be patient and get what you want at the right price ;) |
| [01:07:32] | Anduin: | godzirra: -fixes is the svn branch for 0.20 |
| [01:07:52] | godzirra: | Uhh.. no I'm not running that. |
| [01:08:08] | Anduin: | godzirra: You downloaded the tarball? |
| [01:08:12] | mzb_d800: | iirc, my fx5200 was au$20, the mx420 was au$16 (low profile), and the mx440 was free (or at least I can't remember how I got it) |
| [01:08:12] | godzirra: | Library API version : 0.20.20070821–1 |
| [01:08:12] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb...well meh the 3500tv are almost nothing from several people and the few good geforce4's well...not much $ and a lot of people |
| [01:08:19] | godzirra: | thats from mythfrontend --version |
| [01:09:43] | Anduin: | godzirra: Yeah, that number doesn't mean as much as it should, lirc worked though so it shouldn't be a "not running latest fixes" issue. |
| [01:09:50] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb..heh..well..if there's one thing I know... |
| [01:10:08] | Anduin: | godzirra: It is just that in trunk there is an extra message when lirc starts |
| [01:10:16] | black_Nightmare_: | its that when or before I get my wish card for this pc..I'm going to sell this crappy bloody 7500aiw with its original manuals&cables still there with it :P |
| [01:10:19] | ** black_Nightmare_ hehs ** | |
| [01:10:32] | godzirra: | ok? |
| [01:11:25] | Anduin: | godzirra: basically I have no other ideas, it should be working, you don't have any errors to indicate that it isn't, only pesky reality. |
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| [01:12:51] | madfactor: | Hey, ne1 here get an update going with Xebian to compile the myth svn for protocol 36? |
| [01:12:54] | godzirra: | Well damnit. |
| [01:13:46] | madfactor: | I am having much trouble, the apt install for qt calls for an x11 upgrade that renders the xserver useless. |
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| [01:15:36] | Igg-man: | I lost my store volume. Is there a way to clear out the recorded programs from the database? |
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| [01:16:00] | hads: | There's a contrib script I believe. |
| [01:16:33] | Igg-man: | that, or something that will remove shows from the recorded programs if it sees the file is missing |
| [01:16:39] | Igg-man: | i'll check the contrib |
| [01:17:42] | Anduin: | Igg-man: myth.find_orphans.pl (in trunk) |
| [01:18:02] | Igg-man: | oh, cool |
| [01:18:08] | Igg-man: | I'll try that |
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| [01:21:38] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb..you think early radeons are worth much of anything or I should just try a trade instead with it? ;) |
| [01:22:18] | madfactor: | Hey guys, what is the best source version for protocol 30? |
| [01:22:36] | godzirra: | anyone else have any myth/lirc suggestions? |
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| [01:25:29] | mzb_d800: | black_Nightmare_: trade|sell if you have the choice of a gf4 |
| [01:25:42] | madfactor: | ne1? |
| [01:25:57] | floppyears: | xris: any luck with the mythfrontend but that I ran into ? |
| [01:26:00] | black_Nightmare_: | yeah ok |
| [01:26:14] | xris: | floppyears: was out of the house for awhile |
| [01:26:23] | xris: | and headed out again shortly |
| [01:27:14] | mzb_d800: | madfactor: ldap? |
| [01:27:48] | madfactor: | •mzb• myth protocol 30. |
| [01:28:26] | madfactor: | •mzb• current is 36 I think, I need a stable source that runs on protocol 30. |
| [01:28:40] | mzb_d800: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_Protocol |
| [01:28:59] | black_Nightmare_: | maybe just give away this utterless ati rage pro agp card bundled in at same time..who knows :p |
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| [01:29:26] | MaverickTech: | hi there |
| [01:29:42] | MaverickTech: | any ideas when there might be another merge of trunk to -multirec ? |
| [01:29:47] | drwahl: | quick question. if i have a fileserver, and i want to use it as a mythtv backend, will it mess with my files? or will it leave them alone? |
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| [01:30:15] | floppyears: | xris: ok, np. I guess I'm downgrading and I'll try again next week :( |
| [01:30:38] | MaverickTech: | ...or any pointers how I might how I might attempt a merge myself |
| [01:31:44] | hads: | MaverickTech: One was just done |
| [01:31:59] | MaverickTech: | :o |
| [01:32:06] | madfactor: | ne1 run mythfrontend on gentoox? |
| [01:32:13] | ** MaverickTech checks the commits ** | |
| [01:32:44] | mzb: | drwahl: silly question ... short answer: no |
| [01:33:01] | MaverickTech: | last I have listed in the commits is 29/10/1007 |
| [01:33:09] | godzirra: | If irw is working why the heck is it not working in myth? :/ |
| [01:33:14] | mzb: | long answer: yes |
| [01:33:19] | drwahl: | mzb: i'm just concerned that if i install the backend, it will modify my current data (folder layout, etc.) |
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| [01:33:51] | mzb: | set all your storage dirs ... learn how to use bind mounts, and nfs |
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| [01:34:33] | mzb: | the vast majority of settings in myth are host-specific |
| [01:35:11] | MaverickTech: | hads: thanks heaps – svn update is bringing down lots of good stuff |
| [01:35:30] | MaverickTech: | I will re-merge my version of schedule.copp locally and I'll be good to go |
| [01:35:33] | hads: | No need to thank me, I didn't do any of the work :) |
| [01:35:42] | MaverickTech: | thanks for the tip ;) |
| [01:36:01] | drwahl: | mzb: i'm familiar with bind and nfs. from what i have read (admittedly limited) mythbackend sets up a database. i dont want the database to mess with my file storage, but if it just creates links to files on my file server, then all should be well |
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| [01:36:59] | klpt: | anybody know why my CPU usage is way way way higher with bob2x deinterlacing than with kernel deinterlacing? |
| [01:37:25] | klpt: | ie, 15% with 1080i and kernel deint using XvMC decoder |
| [01:37:40] | klpt: | and >100% with bob2x |
| [01:38:53] | xris: | floppyears: I can connect just fine with my remote frontend |
| [01:39:16] | xris: | klpt: what's your screen resolution? |
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| [01:41:15] | klpt: | 720p |
| [01:41:17] | klpt: | 1280x720 |
| [01:43:03] | klpt: | athlon 64 3200+ cpu... 2.2GHz |
| [01:43:36] | xris: | klpt: might be a lot of cpu usage trying to resize things down to your res |
| [01:43:42] | drwahl: | can a mythtv frontend simply stream media from a samba file server? or is it necesary to have a mythtv backend? |
| [01:43:52] | xris: | since bob is 2x the framerate of other stuff |
| [01:44:35] | xris: | drwahl: mythvideo can |
| [01:44:45] | xris: | but mythtv is designed for, well, tv.... |
| [01:44:50] | hads: | heh |
| [01:45:08] | klpt: | hmm |
| [01:45:14] | drwahl: | xris: ah, thanks |
| [01:45:20] | xris: | klpt: just a theory, anyway.. |
| [01:45:41] | klpt: | it seems like the video card should be able to offload some of that |
| [01:45:55] | klpt: | i know i can play back 1080i stuff through mplayer and xvmc ok |
| [01:46:29] | klpt: | i thought that all scaling was done in the video hardware, and the CPU only had to do the decode |
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| [01:46:53] | godzirra: | irw reads the codes from my remote. I have a ~/.mythtv/lircrc, but when I startup myth, my remote doesnt do anything. Anyone have any ideas? |
| [01:47:29] | xris: | klpt: is your screen refresh rate 60hz? |
| [01:47:42] | klpt: | yes |
| [01:47:50] | bsdfox_: | godzirra: check the messages when you start mythfrontend |
| [01:47:59] | bsdfox_: | does it say something about connection refused after starting lirc? |
| [01:48:00] | xris: | not a clue, then. maybe there's just a bug in bob. |
| [01:48:11] | xris: | I never liked bob.. everything's too jittery. |
| [01:48:21] | klpt: | funny you should mention that |
| [01:48:27] | klpt: | everything is jittery on my screen |
| [01:48:29] | godzirra: | bsdfox_: nothing about lirc at all. |
| [01:48:32] | klpt: | even when not playing anything back |
| [01:48:38] | klpt: | most noticeable on 1px horizontal lines |
| [01:48:44] | godzirra: | bsdfox_: I redirected it to a log then grepped the log, and no "lirc" anything. |
| [01:48:49] | klpt: | the whole screen seems to bounce up and down slightly less than a pixel |
| [01:48:55] | bsdfox_: | godzirra: probably don't have lirc support compiled in |
| [01:49:00] | xris: | klpt: what kind of connection to the tv? |
| [01:49:22] | godzirra: | mythfrontend --version shows using_lirc |
| [01:49:26] | godzirra: | is there something else I need to do? |
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| [01:50:22] | godzirra: | My lircrc should be ~/.mythtv/lircrc .... correct? Not .lircrc? |
| [01:51:00] | mzb: | hmm ... interesting ... got a bt878 doing framegrab from svideo input ... when I watch live it works the first time, but if I escape to the menu and then try watching again, the backend crashes. Any suggestions for debug? |
| [01:51:02] | BigJ: | can anyone help me out with my SQL I set the root password and then when I try to log in as root I get this ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [01:51:20] | drwahl: | +xris: could i install mythtv-frontend and have it be functional without a mythtv backend? and/or does mythtv-frontend include mythvideo? |
| [01:51:20] | mzb: | I've added "/bin/true" as an external channel change command (for sanity). |
| [01:52:29] | xris: | drwahl: I'm saying that there's no real point to run mythtv if you're not going to run mythtv |
| [01:52:47] | klpt: | xris – sorry about the disappearance, i was putzing on the box |
| [01:52:58] | klpt: | xris – component out, straight from nvidia 6150 chipset |
| [01:53:05] | bsdfox_: | godzirra: that's correct |
| [01:53:39] | godzirra: | bsdfox_: What else? |
| [01:53:51] | godzirra: | I've finally got it working in irw, so there can't be too much more to get it working with myth |
| [01:53:57] | xris: | klpt: analog signal... might be something in that causing the jitter. could be in the tv, or the video card, or the video card driver |
| [01:54:15] | drwahl: | +xris: ok, here is my scenario. i want something with wireless, and i can install mythtv ontop of a debian install (and get wireless working). GeeXboX seems to have some issues with the wireless, otherwise i would just use that. i do not want to watch tv, but simply stream media (video) from my fileserver over a wireless connection. maybe mythtv is not the right package for this situation. do you have any input on this? maybe anoth |
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| [01:55:11] | klpt: | yeah, i would use dvi--> hdmi, but my TV does bad things with that |
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| [01:55:40] | bsdfox_: | godzirra: actually it looks like the frontend doesn't say anything about lirc for me either |
| [01:55:43] | tzanger: | good evening |
| [01:55:50] | bsdfox_: | must have removed it in the new version :P |
| [01:55:55] | xris: | type of network connection has nothing to do with this. mythtv or another app would be accessing smb/nfs shares. wouldn't see anything to do with wireless/wired |
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| [01:56:26] | mzb: | here are backend logs up to crash on 2nd viewing: http://openpaste.org/en/3962/ |
| [01:57:19] | drwahl: | other than the fact that i want something with a nice frontend (configured for TV use), and mythtv offers that. GeeXboX does as well, but i cant seem to get the wireless part working, which is why i wanted to install mythtv (or mythvideo) on top of a debian install that has wireless working |
| [01:58:08] | godzirra: | bsdfox_: so what now? |
| [01:58:08] | mzb: | and here are the frontend logs for the same period: http://openpaste.org/en/3963/ |
| [01:58:40] | bsdfox_: | godzirra: dunno man, assuming your lircrc is setup right.. want to pastebin it and your remote config? |
| [01:58:55] | godzirra: | Sure, one second. |
| [02:00:14] | godzirra: | My /etc/lircd.conf – http://pastebin.com/d43dba989 my ~/.mythtv/lircrc – http://pastebin.com/m518fa3e2 |
| [02:00:38] | klpt: | is there some way to make sure xvmc is working properly? |
| [02:01:01] | klpt: | also, is there a good way to have the actual desktop resolution be less than the monitor resolution? |
| [02:01:16] | xris: | drwahl: what does wireless have to do with anything? tcp is tcp |
| [02:01:20] | klpt: | i want to eliminate overscan problems for all applications at once |
| [02:01:42] | xris: | klpt: overscan is built into the TV. |
| [02:02:00] | klpt: | i realize that, but it's really big, to the point that a lot of mythtv menus are clipped |
| [02:02:07] | klpt: | the idea is |
| [02:02:10] | klpt: | to have a virtual desktop |
| [02:02:11] | xris: | mythtv has a setting to get around that, I think |
| [02:02:20] | klpt: | that is smaller than the actual resolution that i'm driving the monitor with |
| [02:02:27] | klpt: | to get around the overscan. |
| [02:02:31] | klpt: | i could also run myth in a window |
| [02:02:32] | Anduin: | You can adjust the GUI size |
| [02:02:45] | klpt: | but then i still have the problem with xine, mplayer, and other programs |
| [02:02:46] | tzanger: | has anyone heard of a p2p type plugin for myth which would allow backends to communicate over the internet? i.e. my system, my mom's and my bro's... we coudl see what they've recorded and request that it get pulled to our local backend to watch |
| [02:02:51] | klpt: | like zsnes and such |
| [02:03:00] | klpt: | and instead of trying to fix it individually in every single program i use |
| [02:03:02] | xris: | klpt: or find the video display settings that tell your tv to not overscan |
| [02:03:04] | tzanger: | something like an automatic bittorrent tracker |
| [02:03:04] | klpt: | i'd rather just have X fix it |
| [02:03:13] | xris: | which likely won't work with an analog signal like component |
| [02:03:22] | xris: | unless your video card can do it. |
| [02:03:29] | klpt: | my TV has no setting for overscan on any input |
| [02:03:31] | drwahl: | +xris: hmm, maybe i'm making this too confusing... lemme put it this way. i want a media center that can stream over wireless because i dont have any other way to connect to my network (from my tv location). all i want to do is stream from a samba share. i have tried a few projects, but i am looking for suggestions/solutions |
| [02:03:32] | klpt: | it's a CRT HDTV |
| [02:03:54] | klpt: | it seems trivial for X to make the desktop smaller than the actual resolution it's pumping out |
| [02:03:54] | mzb: | frontend log on first viewing (successful): http://openpaste.org/en/3964/ |
| [02:03:58] | hads: | tzanger: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC#Bittorrent |
| [02:04:21] | bsdfox_: | godzirra: dunno man, looks good to me |
| [02:04:34] | tzanger: | hads: ah, I hit one of *those* areas. :-) |
| [02:04:39] | tzanger: | understood |
| [02:04:52] | hads: | :) |
| [02:05:21] | xris: | drwahl: and what I'm saying is that once the smb share is mounted onto your machine, it doesn't matter whether it's wired or wireless.. it's just a filesystem |
| [02:06:48] | tzanger: | I could say using coda or some other dfs... heh is there anything out there for myth that currently ties in the concept of pulling content from one backend to another? |
| [02:07:18] | lizaoreo: | What does it mean if I'm missing ~/.mythtv/lircrc? |
| [02:07:24] | drwahl: | +xris: i understand that. so i need a solution that gives me a nice frontend for streaming media from a smb share |
| [02:07:37] | xris: | you're not streaming if it's a local filesystem |
| [02:08:02] | drwahl: | +xris: maybe steaming isnt the correct term... |
| [02:08:08] | bsdfox_: | lizaoreo: your lirc remote won't work |
| [02:08:37] | xris: | you just want a media-center application for watching files that you've already recorded (because if you had downloaded them, you wouldn't be talking about it here)... |
| [02:08:52] | godzirra: | bsdfox_: Yeah, thats been my problem fora long while sadly. No ideas at all? |
| [02:09:01] | xris: | and mythtv isn't intended for that — mythvideo works for it, but it's part of mythtv. |
| [02:09:14] | mzb: | klpt: adjust the overscan settings for your graphics card so that _video_ playback looks right ... _then_ adjust your gui (resize, shift, etc) |
| [02:09:16] | lizaoreo: | Yeah... I got that part. What do I do to fix it though. I mean it works with irw and everything. |
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| [02:09:30] | xris: | mythtv is intended to be distributed, and is for watching/recording tv |
| [02:09:37] | bsdfox_: | godzirra: nope, sorry |
| [02:10:22] | drwahl: | +xris: exactly, so the next question is, since mythtv has mythvideo as a part of it, would it work to use it without having the myth-backend running? or will it simply just complain that there is no backend not refuse to play anything? |
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| [02:10:51] | xris: | mythfrontend can run without a backend |
| [02:10:54] | adante: | drwahl: sadly, in 3 years i haven't found a decent media frontend for linux – but keep and eye out on the xbmc port |
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| [02:11:06] | xris: | but will complain if you try to do something that requires the backend. |
| [02:11:16] | xris: | and there's no guarantee that mythvideo might not someday require the backend. |
| [02:11:21] | drwahl: | adante: will do |
| [02:12:28] | drwahl: | +xris: ok, that answers that question, now the second part (thanks for being so patient). does mythtv run its own desktop or does it need something such as kde to be installed to function? |
| [02:12:35] | godzirra: | irw reads the codes from my remote. I have a ~/.mythtv/lircrc, but when I startup myth, my remote doesnt do anything. Anyone have any ideas? My /etc/lircd.conf – http://pastebin.com/d43dba989 my ~/.mythtv/lircrc – http://pastebin.com/m518fa3e2 |
| [02:14:06] | CCB0x45: | hey |
| [02:14:17] | a1fa: | omfg |
| [02:14:17] | CCB0x45: | how do I start mythbackend from the terminal |
| [02:14:19] | a1fa: | still lirc issues |
| [02:14:23] | a1fa: | rm -rf / |
| [02:14:26] | Anduin: | drwahl: It needs a window manager (especially if you spwan other apps) but doesn't need a desktop |
| [02:14:28] | CCB0x45: | I am doing sudo mythbackend & |
| [02:14:32] | CCB0x45: | and its starting |
| [02:14:37] | CCB0x45: | but when I close the terminal window |
| [02:14:38] | CCB0x45: | its gone |
| [02:14:52] | bsdfox_: | CCB0x45: start it in a screen session |
| [02:14:58] | bsdfox_: | or /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart |
| [02:15:47] | CCB0x45: | ah |
| [02:15:49] | CCB0x45: | its working there |
| [02:15:51] | CCB0x45: | with the init.d |
| [02:15:56] | CCB0x45: | knew there was another way |
| [02:16:01] | drwahl: | Anduin: i'm still sorting out all of the specifics of linux and desktops, so... what i understand is that it needs something like TWM or GDM, but does not need to actaully have gnome or kde installed. is that correct? |
| [02:16:02] | mzb: | hmm ... solved that one ... changed the channel-change command to "/bin/sleep 3" (sleep 4 would bomb out) |
| [02:16:05] | a1fa: | godzirra: did u compile lirc supprt into mythfronted? |
| [02:16:10] | CCB0x45: | the other thing is, mythlcdserver has apparently forgotten how to talk to LCDd |
| [02:16:21] | CCB0x45: | the lcd is just displaying the LCDproc message |
| [02:16:32] | mzb: | hmm ... maybe not |
| [02:16:34] | bsdfox_: | anyone got a good solution to automatically restart mythfrontend if it crashes? |
| [02:16:45] | godzirra: | alfa: mythfrontend --version shows "using_lirc" ... I've been told thats what I need, right? |
| [02:16:52] | a1fa: | bsdfox_: cron |
| [02:16:55] | mzb: | trying sleep 2.5 |
| [02:17:04] | mzb: | bsdfox_: yes |
| [02:17:05] | a1fa: | godzirra: did you read the wiki |
| [02:17:08] | a1fa: | on how to setup lirc |
| [02:17:22] | bsdfox_: | bleh I don't want a cron job running every minute or two.. |
| [02:17:25] | Anduin: | drwahl: I use twm, gdm the login manager wouldn't do |
| [02:17:26] | godzirra: | I've been doing this for 2 days now. Iv'e read it quite a few times ;) |
| [02:17:43] | bsdfox_: | I was thinking something like daemontools' svscan |
| [02:17:44] | Tanthrix: | bsdfox_: "while true ; do mythfrontend ; done" |
| [02:18:01] | a1fa: | did u check premissions on lircrc? |
| [02:18:29] | Tanthrix: | bsdfox_: Restarts anything until you ctrl-c out of the loop |
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| [02:18:43] | a1fa: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 3874 2005-11–08 19:07 lircrc |
| [02:19:04] | CCB0x45: | also when I have a rom in mythgame, and I find it from play games, and press enter, nothing happens |
| [02:19:06] | mzb: | $ grep loginmyth /etc/inittab |
| [02:19:06] | mzb: | 6:245:respawn:/sbin/getty -n -l /usr/local/sbin/autologinmythtv 38400 tty6 |
| [02:19:08] | CCB0x45: | but I set up zsnes |
| [02:19:23] | bsdfox_: | Tanthrix: thanks |
| [02:19:39] | mzb: | ~$ egrep -v "^$|^#" .xinitrc |
| [02:19:39] | mzb: | xset -dpms s off |
| [02:19:39] | mzb: | xsetroot -solid black |
| [02:19:39] | mzb: | irxevent & |
| [02:19:48] | mzb: | xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 1 |
| [02:19:48] | mzb: | mythfrontend -l /home/mythtv/mythfrontend.log 2>&1 |
| [02:19:48] | mzb: | sudo nvtv -m |
| [02:20:02] | a1fa: | ~paste |
| [02:20:02] | Freaken: | Hi, I've got a WinTV-PVR USB2 and all my setup WAS working :) I set up the IR Blaster tonight, which now works perfectly, but I kinda lost my Tuner... all I can see now is snow :S Anyone can help? Thnx! |
| [02:20:05] | mzb: | that way I can do # init 3 |
| [02:20:11] | mzb: | to stop X and mythfrontend |
| [02:20:19] | mzb: | and init 2 to restart |
| [02:20:22] | godzirra: | Freaken: verify that you're using the right input. |
| [02:20:27] | godzirra: | i.e. television, svideo, etc. |
| [02:20:39] | a1fa: | godzirra: did u check premissions? |
| [02:20:43] | mzb: | if frontend crashes, init restarts the autologin |
| [02:20:48] | godzirra: | alfa: I juts changed them. |
| [02:20:58] | godzirra: | I dont have a mythtv user. Just a group. |
| [02:21:08] | a1fa: | ok |
| [02:21:10] | godzirra: | but I made the whole directory group writable and readable. include lircrc |
| [02:21:11] | a1fa: | restart mythfronted |
| [02:21:13] | godzirra: | but it was readable before. |
| [02:21:15] | a1fa: | chown -R |
| [02:21:17] | a1fa: | chmod -R |
| [02:21:18] | a1fa: | quick |
| [02:21:21] | godzirra: | I did. no change. |
| [02:21:24] | a1fa: | Go!!!!!!!!! |
| [02:21:27] | a1fa: | did u restart X? |
| [02:21:33] | godzirra: | No, why would I need to? |
| [02:21:33] | Freaken: | godzirra: done, I'm using the cable input, tried S-Video, not working either |
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| [02:21:42] | godzirra: | Freaken: thats all I've got, unfortunately. :/ |
| [02:21:50] | Freaken: | thnx anyway ;) |
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| [02:22:52] | klpt: | hmm, so i don't think i had xvmc working properly while i had sync to opengl set |
| [02:23:00] | klpt: | since the OSD was still showing up in color |
| [02:23:06] | klpt: | i turned off sync to opengl |
| [02:23:09] | klpt: | and now the osd is black and white |
| [02:23:14] | klpt: | and cpu usage is down a lot |
| [02:23:21] | klpt: | but there are still a lot of prebuffering pauses |
| [02:24:10] | klpt: | NVP prebuffering pause |
| [02:24:14] | klpt: | and i'm not entirely sure why |
| [02:25:48] | drwahl: | Anduin: when i try to start twm, it is complaining `unable to open display ""`. i install xserver-xorg and xorg. do you know what i need to kick it off without complaining? |
| [02:26:08] | BigJ: | I used was following the wiki on how to setup the database for mythtv but the command does not work |
| [02:26:27] | Anduin: | drwahl: You need to start it after you've started X, ~/.Xclients or similar |
| [02:26:37] | Freaken: | One more try: Hi, I've got a WinTV-PVR USB2 and all my setup WAS working :) I set up the IR Blaster tonight, which now works perfectly, but I kinda lost my Tuner... all I can see now is snow :S Anyone can help? Thnx! |
| [02:26:47] | drwahl: | Anduin: ah, ok |
| [02:28:38] | godzirra: | a1fa: no change. Why would I need to restart X though? |
| [02:29:37] | a1fa: | because |
| [02:29:44] | a1fa: | or restart mythfrontend |
| [02:29:47] | a1fa: | i dont know yoursetup |
| [02:30:02] | godzirra: | yeah, I exited out of mythfrontend and started it again |
| [02:30:03] | godzirra: | still nothing |
| [02:30:10] | xris: | drwahl: you need a window manager. you can use gnome, kde, xfce, etc, etc... you don't need a desktop, though. |
| [02:30:29] | a1fa: | godzirra: ps aux | grep lirc |
| [02:30:31] | a1fa: | do that |
| [02:30:32] | Dabian: | Is mythtv broken in Ubuntu 7.10 ? |
| [02:30:42] | a1fa: | xris: *need* |
| [02:30:44] | evilint: | if i've installed the mythtv-suite using # yum -y install mythtv-suite .... is there a way to tell fedora to rebuild that suite? |
| [02:30:44] | MaverickTech: | autoexpire.cpp in the merged -multirec seems to be busted, I used version from -trunk : now builds |
| [02:30:50] | a1fa: | i am using it without a window manager |
| [02:30:56] | godzirra: | a1fa: lircd shows up |
| [02:31:03] | a1fa: | 99.9% focus issue free |
| [02:31:18] | a1fa: | tail /var/log/lircd |
| [02:31:35] | xris: | a1fa: try playing mythvideo with mplayer/xine, or mythmusic with visualizers... the window manager controls which has focus, which is "on top", etc.... |
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| [02:32:11] | a1fa: | xris: i didnt have any issues with it |
| [02:32:17] | xris: | a1fa: then you're lucky |
| [02:32:30] | a1fa: | granted i never use mythmusic :P |
| [02:32:37] | Dabian: | Mythtv seems to be broken in Gutsy! |
| [02:32:38] | a1fa: | and rarely use mythvideo |
| [02:32:54] | godzirra: | this is the one thing keeping me from getting rid of my tivo :/ |
| [02:33:01] | godzirra: | lirc hates me. |
| [02:33:01] | a1fa: | godzirra: |
| [02:33:04] | a1fa: | tail /var/log/lircd |
| [02:33:07] | a1fa: | do that |
| [02:33:26] | godzirra: | hrm |
| [02:33:34] | godzirra: | the last two lines say accepted new client, then removed new client. |
| [02:33:37] | mzb: | I have an input with very low audio input (and incorrect aspect), how do I correct for these problems on this input only? |
| [02:34:11] | Dabian: | Mythtv seems to be broken in Ubunto 7.10! |
| [02:34:18] | mzb: | does setting some sort of video filter sound feasible? If so, what can I do? |
| [02:34:20] | a1fa: | what version of lirc |
| [02:34:22] | godzirra: | Dabian: so you've said like 8 times. |
| [02:34:24] | a1fa: | did u compile from source? |
| [02:34:36] | godzirra: | a1fa: 0.8.3pre1 |
| [02:34:37] | godzirra: | Yes I did. |
| [02:34:42] | Dabian: | godzirra: : You are the first to notice though. ;) |
| [02:34:52] | klpt: | Dabian – i noticed too |
| [02:34:55] | a1fa: | why are u using 0.8.3 |
| [02:35:01] | klpt: | but i don't run ubuntu, so i have no insight |
| [02:35:04] | godzirra: | Dabian: repeating it over and over isn't going to get you any help. And saying "its broken" is about as useful as sitting there banging your head against your monitor. |
| [02:35:08] | mzb: | Dabian: I'm running mythtv on gutsy ... so I suggest you check your facts or correct your statement |
| [02:35:16] | mzb: | a/or/and|or/ |
| [02:35:16] | godzirra: | a1fa: because Anduin told me that 0.8.2 didn't support the 1069 remote? |
| [02:35:18] | Dabian: | godzirra: Hurts less ... |
| [02:35:30] | godzirra: | a1fa: so I used 1069 |
| [02:35:39] | Dabian: | mzb: Transcode isn't installable .. or my sources are damaged? |
| [02:35:53] | mzb: | no idea |
| [02:35:56] | a1fa: | wtf is 1069 |
| [02:35:57] | mzb: | I built from svn |
| [02:36:00] | Dabian: | (This ruins myth-backend) |
| [02:36:00] | godzirra: | Its an MCE remote. |
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| [02:36:19] | a1fa: | microsoft? |
| [02:36:19] | godzirra: | a1fa: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote |
| [02:36:22] | godzirra: | the very last one |
| [02:36:42] | a1fa: | its supported in 0.8.2 |
| [02:36:49] | mzb: | Dabian: it's not "mythtv" that is broken, it's more likely that your packager has stuffed up ... recheck your facts |
| [02:36:54] | godzirra: | Hrm. |
| [02:36:58] | godzirra: | I dont know why he told me that then. |
| [02:37:03] | godzirra: | But should it matter? |
| [02:37:06] | godzirra: | irw works. |
| [02:37:11] | Dabian: | mzb: Right .. its gutsy thats broken ... at least mine :) |
| [02:37:22] | a1fa: | lsusb |
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| [02:37:36] | godzirra: | Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0609:0334 SMK Manufacturing, Inc. |
| [02:37:39] | mzb: | you like painting very broad brush strokes, don't you? :) |
| [02:37:54] | godzirra: | Dabian: "Its broken" is not useful. |
| [02:37:58] | a1fa: | This remote requires the mceusb _not_ the mceusb2 LIRC module. |
| [02:38:00] | godzirra: | Dabian: if you awnt help, be more specific. |
| [02:38:04] | a1fa: | which one did you load? |
| [02:38:14] | Dabian: | godzirra: : the package transcode cannot install due to broken dependencies. |
| [02:38:20] | godzirra: | a1fa: Anduin said he was looking in the source code and it was actually mceusb2... |
| [02:38:32] | mzb: | Dabian: install them all manually |
| [02:38:36] | godzirra: | a1fa: and it works in irw... so I imagine he was right, since I couldnt get it work when I used mceusb ... |
| [02:38:41] | a1fa: | Uses mceusb2 lircd.conf |
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| [02:38:45] | Dabian: | mzb: Thats what you did? |
| [02:38:50] | godzirra: | Right. I did use the mceusb2 lircd.conf |
| [02:38:56] | mzb: | read what I said previously |
| [02:38:57] | godzirra: | Look at my paste |
| [02:40:13] | a1fa: | get 0.8.2 |
| [02:40:16] | a1fa: | try again |
| [02:40:22] | godzirra: | Blargh. ok. |
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| [02:44:20] | Anduin: | a1fa: which file did you find the USB device ID he pasted in? |
| [02:45:40] | godzirra: | a1fa: yeah, since I installde 0.8.2, when I run irw it fails, saying it could not open /dev/lirc |
| [02:45:48] | godzirra: | Nov 18 21:45:30 shawn-desktop lircd: could not open /dev/lirc |
| [02:45:48] | godzirra: | Nov 18 21:45:30 shawn-desktop lircd: default_init(): No such device |
| [02:47:10] | Anduin: | godzirra: You don't have multiple liblirc_client libs do you (like on in /usr/lib and one in /usr/local/lib) |
| [02:47:22] | godzirra: | Anduin: nope. |
| [02:47:46] | godzirra: | Actually, ...yes. I do. |
| [02:47:51] | Anduin: | Yeah, this goes back to my it is really working theory. |
| [02:48:13] | bsdfox_: | maybe mythtv compiled in support for the wrong version |
| [02:48:35] | godzirra: | Ok, I'll remove all of them, reinstall and try recompiling myth again I suppose. |
| [02:48:57] | Anduin: | godzirra: Only recompile myth if it doesn't work after the reinstall (it shouldn't be needed really) |
| [02:50:16] | godzirra: | Yeah, irw still kills lircd now. |
| [02:51:34] | godzirra: | so yeah, I'm back to nothing working now. |
| [02:53:21] | Anduin: | godzirra: no multiple lircds? (you need to only run the binaries you just built) |
| [02:53:35] | godzirra: | Nope. |
| [02:53:51] | Anduin: | godzirra: and /dev/lir0 exists? |
| [02:53:56] | godzirra: | No, but it never ever has. |
| [02:53:58] | Anduin: | less typos |
| [02:54:53] | Anduin: | godzirra: When the module was loading before it should have |
| [02:54:59] | godzirra: | Nope. |
| [02:55:12] | godzirra: | I didnt verify everytime but i? did quite a few times, and it never existed before. |
| [02:55:43] | Anduin: | godzirra: it either existed there or /dev/lirc/0 or lircd wouldn't have found it |
| [02:57:35] | godzirra: | Well, I dont have it now, and I dont think I ever did. |
| [02:57:57] | Dabian: | mzb, godzirra, thanks for the help. |
| [02:58:07] | Dabian: | Turned out my sources was messed up! |
| [02:58:08] | Anduin: | godzirra: pastebin that part of dmesg again |
| [02:58:15] | godzirra: | which part? |
| [02:58:27] | Anduin: | godzirra: the lirc_mceusb2 loading part |
| [02:58:45] | Dabian: | (Need to relog into X) |
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| [02:59:07] | godzirra: | http://pastebin.com/m2f21486b |
| [02:59:57] | Anduin: | godzirra: Yeah, that isn't how it looks when it works |
| [03:00:24] | ** godzirra sighs. ** | |
| [03:00:34] | godzirra: | I guess I'm going to remove it all and try the ubuntu way again. |
| [03:00:38] | Anduin: | make sure you are using 0.8.3 despite the wiki and other sources of information |
| [03:00:54] | godzirra: | ok. one sec. |
| [03:01:22] | a1fa: | lol |
| [03:01:59] | godzirra: | http://pastebin.com/m7d10a129 |
| [03:02:48] | godzirra: | Is -that- right at least? |
| [03:02:59] | Anduin: | godzirra: do you have a /dev/lirc0? |
| [03:04:07] | godzirra: | Huh. |
| [03:04:09] | godzirra: | I do now. |
| [03:04:24] | godzirra: | And irw works agai. |
| [03:04:33] | godzirra: | a1fa: It definitely does -not- work with 0.8.2 |
| [03:04:50] | godzirra: | Time to try mythtv again, or is there something else I need to do first? |
| [03:05:01] | Anduin: | godzirra: No, try mythtv |
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| [03:06:19] | godzirra: | Nope. still doesnt work in myth |
| [03:06:42] | Anduin: | godzirra: ls -l /dev/lircd |
| [03:07:02] | godzirra: | srw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-11–18 22:04 /dev/lircd |
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| [03:08:13] | Anduin: | godzirra: mine is 666, though I'm not actually sure it matters |
| [03:09:26] | godzirra: | Shouldnt there be a new client connection in /var/log/lircd? |
| [03:09:30] | godzirra: | when I start the frontend? |
| [03:09:57] | Anduin: | Yes |
| [03:10:13] | godzirra: | I don't get one. |
| [03:10:32] | Anduin: | godzirra: Do you get an lirc_init error in mythfrontend now? |
| [03:10:43] | godzirra: | one sec, lemme check |
| [03:12:16] | godzirra: | Nope. |
| [03:12:40] | godzirra: | I get this when I run mythfrontend though http://pastebin.com/m68d0c90e |
| [03:12:58] | Anduin: | godzirra: chmod 666 /dev/lircd, restart mythfrontend |
| [03:13:06] | Anduin: | You can ignore that error |
| [03:13:45] | godzirra: | Anduin: I already did that as soon as you said yours was 666. |
| [03:13:55] | godzirra: | Anduin: that made irw work without having to sudo it, but no difference on mythtv |
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| [03:15:43] | Anduin: | godzirra: http://rafb.net/p/QqoNR095.html this is what mine looks like (when it cannot connect to /dev/lircd) |
| [03:16:49] | godzirra: | http://pastebin.com/df1ee5d9 |
| [03:16:52] | godzirra: | Thats my whole mythfrontend log |
| [03:16:58] | godzirra: | I start up myth, wait til I get the menu, then exit out |
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| [03:16:59] | godzirra: | thats all I get. |
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| [03:20:21] | Anduin: | Yeah, no errors with using_lirc should mean it connected |
| [03:20:56] | cesman: | godzirra: what about your backend log? |
| [03:21:59] | Anduin: | godzirra: You may want to ldconfig as well |
| [03:22:44] | Anduin: | godzirra: or at least ldd `which mythfrontend` | grep lirc |
| [03:22:48] | godzirra: | cesman: nothing on mythbackend out of the ordinary. |
| [03:23:08] | godzirra: | shawn@shawn-desktop:~/.mythtv$ ldd `which mythfrontend` | grep lirc liblirc_client.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/liblirc_client.so.0 (0xb5bbe000) |
| [03:23:26] | godzirra: | there was a new line in there that got lost somewhre. |
| [03:23:36] | godzirra: | and I ran ldconfig |
| [03:23:39] | Anduin: | Yeah, that is still fine |
| [03:23:40] | godzirra: | still nothing though. |
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| [03:29:14] | evilint: | im about to try installing mythtv for the first time, the tutorial recommends i know which devices i am using |
| [03:29:25] | evilint: | how can i find out which /device is my video source? |
| [03:29:37] | evilint: | - / |
| [03:30:06] | evilint: | using fc6 |
| [03:32:01] | godzirra: | Anduin: so what now? it seems to all work... except that it doesnt. ;p |
| [03:33:13] | |Torg|: | evilint: http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner/index.html |
| [03:33:46] | evilint: | thanks |Torg| but i dont consider myself a linux beginner |
| [03:33:55] | evilint: | this is just a situation ive never come across |
| [03:34:03] | |Torg|: | then were do you think it put your devices? |
| [03:34:06] | Anduin: | godzirra: You can try rebuilding myth (it really shouldn't change anything). |
| [03:34:10] | evilint: | /dev yes |
| [03:34:15] | evilint: | but there is no /dev/vide |
| [03:34:15] | evilint: | p |
| [03:34:17] | evilint: | o |
| [03:34:31] | |Torg|: | what kind of device is it? |
| [03:34:37] | evilint: | nvidia |
| [03:35:02] | |Torg|: | if your talking about a video card, there wont be one |
| [03:35:29] | evilint: | any idea what will be there? |
| [03:35:31] | |Torg|: | wel aside from things like /dev/fb0 and such |
| [03:35:42] | |Torg|: | nothing, you use X drivers to run a video card |
| [03:35:47] | evilint: | hmm |
| [03:35:48] | |Torg|: | I thought you knew about linux |
| [03:35:48] | evilint: | ok |
| [03:36:31] | evilint: | theres a difference between being a beginner and knowing about video backend on x |
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| [03:37:13] | |Torg|: | ok that X11 basics then |
| [03:37:29] | evilint: | just an fyi, im talking to you on irssi via ssh running ubuntu on a vmserver |
| [03:37:45] | |Torg|: | BitchX? |
| [03:37:55] | evilint: | no |
| [03:38:03] | evilint: | customized irssi |
| [03:38:34] | evilint: | always liked it over bitchx |
| [03:41:22] | evilint: | so anyways, any idea if i need to find out more information on how x uses this video card, prior to starting my mythtv install? |
| [03:41:38] | godzirra: | customized how? |
| [03:41:56] | |Torg|: | just install xorg, dependong on yuour disto download the nvidia driver and configure X with one of the tools or by hand |
| [03:42:14] | evilint: | ive just tweaked it here and there to fit my needs godzirra |
| [03:42:14] | |Torg|: | you can diagnose X problems with X itself as well as use it to build a config |
| [03:42:28] | evilint: | user listing, better handling of ircops, etc |
| [03:43:35] | godzirra: | Huh. just curious, I havent done much to play with irssi. I just use it default. |
| [03:44:41] | evilint: | well, you can get a nicklist using nicklist.pl script |
| [03:44:51] | evilint: | but its limited, especially on some of the servers i frequent |
| [03:44:57] | evilint: | it doesnt handle ircops at all |
| [03:45:05] | evilint: | but irssi is all perl |
| [03:45:09] | godzirra: | Right. |
| [03:45:47] | evilint: | so pretty easy just to go in and change things around |
| [03:45:58] | evilint: | i dont remember things specifically, just tweaks here and there |
| [03:46:13] | ** godzirra nods. ** | |
| [03:46:23] | evilint: | not going to pretend to be some irssi/perl guru |
| [03:46:31] | godzirra: | I'll pretend to be a perl guru. |
| [03:46:33] | godzirra: | but not an irssi one ;) |
| [03:47:17] | evilint: | i do wish irssi's source documentation were better |
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| [04:01:19] | evilint: | if I plan on using mythtv in NA with DVB-S, which Channel frequency table is recommended/needed |
| [04:01:22] | evilint: | ? |
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| [04:01:59] | Dabian: | I am defining video-sources .. and the setup hangs when I am done .. at 50% |
| [04:02:36] | Dabian: | Video-sources relates to the TV-card I chose, right? |
| [04:04:15] | Dabian: | I wonder if its scanning for channels .. or if its simply hung ... |
| [04:04:43] | Dabian: | I guess there is a faq somewhere that answers my question .. but I'm in the console right now, and not very expirienced surfing with links. |
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| [04:06:01] | Dabian: | (I'm using the Ubuntu Gutsy packages) |
| [04:07:26] | godzirra: | Anduin: ok, did a make clean; ./configure; make; make insatll |
| [04:07:30] | godzirra: | except spelled right ;p |
| [04:07:33] | godzirra: | I'm trying it again now |
| [04:07:50] | godzirra: | Is there anything in mythtv-setup I need to do for lirc at all? |
| [04:08:46] | godzirra: | AH HAH! |
| [04:08:55] | cesman: | no |
| [04:09:40] | Dabian: | Does anything include nothing? |
| [04:09:50] | godzirra: | It works! |
| [04:09:55] | godzirra: | But changing channels doesnt work right... hmm |
| [04:09:57] | Dabian: | Woo-Hoo! |
| [04:10:10] | godzirra: | But it works :) |
| [04:10:12] | ** godzirra does the happy dance. ** | |
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| [04:12:13] | godzirra: | running mythfilldatabase again |
| [04:12:15] | godzirra: | since I dont have program info |
| [04:13:32] | mzb_d800: | does anyone have any experience with connecting to the serial port on a stb | tuner? |
| [04:16:23] | mzb_d800: | I'm interested in typical port parameters |
| [04:16:43] | mzb_d800: | I'm also assuming that a null-modem cable is a normal requirement |
| [04:17:35] | godzirra: | Now I just need a cheap tv out card |
| [04:17:45] | godzirra: | anyone have any good recommendations for a cheap tv out card and where to get it? |
| [04:17:51] | mzb_d800: | gf4 |
| [04:18:02] | mzb_d800: | (ie. mx420, mx440 ...) |
| [04:18:20] | mzb_d800: | ebay |
| [04:18:37] | godzirra: | Hrm.. I don't have an agp though |
| [04:18:41] | mzb_d800: | many here seem to prefer going up to an fx5200 |
| [04:18:43] | godzirra: | I think the mx420/440 are all agp aren't they? |
| [04:18:48] | Dabian: | Hauppauge has tv-out in some. For instance the PVR350 |
| [04:18:48] | mzb_d800: | you can get pci versions |
| [04:19:09] | mzb_d800: | advantage of gf4 is that it has xvmc |
| [04:19:18] | mzb_d800: | gf2 doesn't (mx400) |
| [04:19:26] | godzirra: | what is xvmc? |
| [04:21:47] | MaverickTech: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Video_Motion_Compensation |
| [04:22:24] | mzb_d800: | very handy on slower machines |
| [04:22:30] | godzirra: | Gotcha. |
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| [04:22:47] | godzirra: | Do the 5200's have xvmc? |
| [04:22:51] | mzb_d800: | xyes |
| [04:22:54] | godzirra: | ok. |
| [04:23:18] | mzb_d800: | I have p3–866 with low profile mx420, and p3–650 with mx440 |
| [04:23:50] | mzb_d800: | both *need* xvmc ;) ... probably saves at least 10% cpu usage on playback |
| [04:23:54] | godzirra: | Heh. |
| [04:23:57] | godzirra: | Good to know. |
| [04:24:05] | MaverickTech: | in the last fortnight my -multirec mythbox has gone to custard |
| [04:24:25] | MaverickTech: | my raw DVB recordings will not seek without crashing |
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| [04:24:39] | MaverickTech: | only transcoded nuvs will play correctly :( |
| [04:24:42] | godzirra: | wtf... after running mythfilldatabase I stll have no channel or program info. |
| [04:25:02] | godzirra: | what gives? |
| [04:25:21] | MaverickTech: | any errors/log ? |
| [04:25:56] | godzirra: | after running the mythfilldatabase, it says Found 0, for all the marking episodes/repeats, etc. |
| [04:26:03] | godzirra: | I'm not sure what i'm looking for to be honest |
| [04:26:14] | godzirra: | Hrm |
| [04:26:14] | MaverickTech: | has it run correctly before ? |
| [04:26:23] | godzirra: | No. I just started setting this up yesterday. |
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| [04:27:17] | godzirra: | hmm.. one message says "Grab complete. Actual data from Sat Dec 1 to Sun Dec 2" |
| [04:27:23] | godzirra: | (I left off the hours, but they're included) |
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| [04:28:21] | godzirra: | ah, it says that it grabbed the earlier ones if I scroll up more. |
| [04:28:44] | godzirra: | Here's one thing odd... I get this everytime: |
| [04:28:52] | godzirra: | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized |
| [04:28:52] | godzirra: | Reusing existing connection to webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com:80. |
| [04:28:55] | godzirra: | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
| [04:28:56] | godzirra: | then it downloads something |
| [04:29:37] | |Torg|: | whats odd? the Unautorized part? |
| [04:30:17] | godzirra: | I assume thats odd? |
| [04:30:19] | godzirra: | is it not? |
| [04:30:27] | |Torg|: | no its normal its how HTTP works |
| [04:30:43] | godzirra: | ... http works by failing a login first before authenticating? lol |
| [04:30:55] | |Torg|: | to give auth data you first have to get an auth request., to get an auth request you first have to ask |
| [04:30:55] | godzirra: | I'm familiar with how http works. ;) |
| [04:31:18] | godzirra: | anyways... it seems like I should have program data. |
| [04:31:20] | godzirra: | I'm not sure why I dont. |
| [04:31:31] | |Torg|: | did you set up listings? |
| [04:31:47] | godzirra: | on the SD site? |
| [04:31:50] | |Torg|: | yes |
| [04:31:51] | godzirra: | Yes. |
| [04:31:57] | godzirra: | And on the mythtv-setup |
| [04:32:01] | |Torg|: | do they match up with your chanels? |
| [04:32:26] | godzirra: | No idea. How do I check? |
| [04:32:47] | |Torg|: | well list your channels and look, then look at the SD listings and compare |
| [04:33:07] | |Torg|: | utimatly what you are looking for is XMLTVIDs that match, but it should do it automagicly for you |
| [04:33:29] | |Torg|: | aside from thjat, make sure your date is correct on your box |
| [04:33:44] | godzirra: | If I go into guide, its "ing Channel" is all I can see, and unknown for every program. |
| [04:33:58] | godzirra: | The date is right. |
| [04:34:24] | |Torg|: | your guide has "ing Channel" for its channels??? |
| [04:34:29] | godzirra: | how do I check if XMLTVIDs match? i'm not sure what the heck that is. |
| [04:34:45] | godzirra: | |Torg|: yup. It may be shortened or something, seeing as how the "el" is clipped |
| [04:35:36] | |Torg|: | a channel to myth is a pid set (for dvb) or freq data (for analog) along with a channel designation and an xmltvid |
| [04:35:59] | |Torg|: | a listing service, scraper or otherwise lists channels via xmltvid and its data, it dosnt know what you call the channel or what its label is |
| [04:36:22] | |Torg|: | but channels should have numbers in them, not letters |
| [04:36:26] | godzirra: | ok... but back to my problem... where can I check and make sure that they are right. :) |
| [04:36:35] | godzirra: | well, they have numbers too. |
| [04:36:37] | |Torg|: | well did you scan in channels? |
| [04:36:42] | godzirra: | In mythtv-setup? |
| [04:36:46] | |Torg|: | yes |
| [04:36:49] | godzirra: | Yes. |
| [04:37:06] | godzirra: | all my channels are there... just no channel info or network names |
| [04:37:27] | |Torg|: | what tuner cards do you use and what is the input source? |
| [04:37:38] | godzirra: | WinTV pvr usb2, and coax |
| [04:38:19] | |Torg|: | can you chance channels with it and watch them? |
| [04:38:23] | godzirra: | Yup |
| [04:38:41] | godzirra: | It all works fine, except that I hve no programming info :) |
| [04:38:44] | |Torg|: | how many channels did it find? |
| [04:38:49] | godzirra: | over 100 |
| [04:39:40] | |Torg|: | try mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates |
| [04:40:03] | |Torg|: | if that dosnt work youll need to label them yourself |
| [04:40:10] | godzirra: | That would suck |
| [04:40:21] | godzirra: | I'm not so worried about the names of the channels so much as the programming information though. |
| [04:40:55] | |Torg|: | well the computer matches listings to channels via the xmltvid |
| [04:43:13] | godzirra: | I dont know what xmltvid is |
| [04:43:30] | |Torg|: | do you understnad how a relational databse works? |
| [04:43:38] | godzirra: | Yes. |
| [04:43:43] | Anduin: | godzirra: You are using SD? |
| [04:43:46] | godzirra: | Anduin: Yes. |
| [04:43:55] | |Torg|: | xmltvid is the key that links the xml tv listings to each channel |
| [04:44:01] | godzirra: | Gotcha. |
| [04:44:06] | |Torg|: | its a field, a number really |
| [04:44:27] | |Torg|: | so if I have channels 1 2 and 3, xmltvids are things like 34626, 25653, and 24456 |
| [04:44:39] | |Torg|: | those are random btw |
| [04:44:50] | godzirra: | right. |
| [04:44:53] | godzirra: | Its a foreign key. |
| [04:45:04] | |Torg|: | you listings will be foor channels 34626, 25653, and 24456 |
| [04:45:24] | |Torg|: | and mythfilldatabse will match it to your channels via that number |
| [04:45:48] | godzirra: | Anduin: FYI... the reason lirc didnt work... |
| [04:45:49] | Anduin: | godzirra: You should just delete and re-add your source, don't do a channel scan, just mythfilldatabase, also --do-channel-updates should fix it |
| [04:46:03] | |Torg|: | its a field in the channel table of the myth databse |
| [04:46:05] | godzirra: | is that even though the ./configure showed lirc, I didnt do a make clean before I did am ake. |
| [04:46:19] | godzirra: | Anduin: I'm runing the --do-channel-updates now. |
| [04:47:20] | godzirra: | ah ha! |
| [04:47:23] | godzirra: | found 41,000 episodes. |
| [04:47:30] | ** godzirra does the happy dance. ** | |
| [04:48:36] | godzirra: | so now I just have to figure out why my channel changing doesnt work. |
| [04:49:20] | godzirra: | Yay. |
| [04:49:21] | godzirra: | got it. |
| [04:49:36] | hjohnson: | godzirra: got your lirc problems sorted? |
| [04:49:40] | godzirra: | hjohnson: Yeah. |
| [04:49:44] | hjohnson: | sweet. |
| [04:50:02] | godzirra: | hjohnson: 1069 does need 0.8.3, and when you recompile smoething, be sure to run "make clean" first, or you're just reinstalling the same thing :) |
| [04:50:13] | godzirra: | how do I get the guide? |
| [04:50:22] | hjohnson: | mm.. this is going to be an experience... flying accross the atlantic, while lying flat in my seat, with a duvet |
| [04:50:29] | godzirra: | huh? |
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| [04:51:05] | hjohnson: | godzirra: my upgrades on the flight from Vancouver to London went through... so I get to fly first class while only paying for an economy seat. |
| [04:51:17] | godzirra: | Nice! |
| [04:51:38] | squish102: | |Torg| i have no data for my tv listings but only for the QAM256 HD channels... do i also need to figure out the xmlyvid's? |
| [04:51:51] | godzirra: | So is there any sort of guide that shows you what all the buttons on your remote do? :_) |
| [04:51:56] | godzirra: | Or why my channel changing doesnt work? :) |
| [04:52:07] | |Torg|: | squish102: what do you use for an input source? |
| [04:52:31] | squish102: | ummm, input source? |
| [04:52:37] | |Torg|: | a --do-channel-updates trys to match them on channel names (like WWWW-DT) if it dosnt match you wont get anything |
| [04:52:51] | squish102: | ok my channel names are like 200_1 |
| [04:52:55] | |Torg|: | old DD was well known for changing those and dropping channels all the damn time |
| [04:53:04] | |Torg|: | 200_1 is normal |
| [04:53:48] | |Torg|: | it litteraly means channel 200 in QAM first channel |
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| [04:54:14] | |Torg|: | you have to know the differnce between a transport (frequency) and channel tho |
| [04:54:16] | squish102: | i actually have like 200_2 and UNC-HD |
| [04:54:31] | squish102: | after doing the --do-channel-updates |
| [04:54:33] | |Torg|: | I woudlnt doubt you have things like 200_6 as well |
| [04:54:42] | |Torg|: | that added those for you |
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| [04:55:04] | squish102: | so if i do a mythfilldatabase again, i should get the listings? |
| [04:55:18] | |Torg|: | --do-channel-updates takes whatever is in your listings and matches it to your channels, if it does not exist in the channel it will create the channel |
| [04:55:33] | |Torg|: | yes squish102 |
| [04:55:50] | squish102: | thanks |
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| [05:01:26] | squish102: | |Torg|, didnt load anything.. looking at the channels in mythweb i see i have no xmltvid for all the channels on tuner 2 (qam) and i do have a mark next to useonairguide |
| [05:02:16] | squidly: | anyone having issues with the latest nvidia drivers and video coruption with watching tv or movies? |
| [05:03:20] | godzirra: | night guys. |
| [05:03:22] | godzirra: | i'm off. |
| [05:03:26] | godzirra: | thanks for all the help. |
| [05:03:37] | squidly: | later godzirra |
| [05:03:55] | |Torg|: | squish102: use on air guide means EIT, its posible you have listing data on them |
| [05:04:05] | |Torg|: | its more likly its on one channel for the whole thing tho |
| [05:05:03] | squish102: | so i probably need to match up the xmltvid's? |
| [05:05:08] | |Torg|: | yes |
| [05:05:24] | |Torg|: | if you want to use xml tv listings you will HAVE to have proper xmltvids |
| [05:05:25] | squish102: | ok, i know where to put them, just not how to find them |
| [05:05:40] | squish102: | well im getting it from SD |
| [05:05:44] | |Torg|: | if you use EIT you donst need them, but you still have to run mythfilldatabse to get rid of old listings |
| [05:05:59] | |Torg|: | you can look them up on zap2it |
| [05:06:10] | squish102: | doesnt EIT only give u a few days forward? |
| [05:06:15] | |Torg|: | depends |
| [05:06:22] | squish102: | and SD will give me 14 days |
| [05:06:23] | |Torg|: | some give 2 or 3 |
| [05:06:25] | |Torg|: | some have 4 |
| [05:06:28] | |Torg|: | some have 7 |
| [05:06:33] | |Torg|: | some have 14 |
| [05:06:38] | |Torg|: | depdns on your provider |
| [05:06:50] | mchou: | Wow, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhFPRc4-yf8 |
| [05:06:53] | squish102: | ok, i'll wait then to see if the EIT info gets populated |
| [05:07:04] | mchou: | incredible |
| [05:07:08] | |Torg|: | its also quite posibel ther eis no EIT |
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| [05:08:36] | free1: | I believe I'm 90% of the way done |
| [05:08:56] | free1: | I have a chronos traveltv tuner and recorder pcmcia card |
| [05:09:19] | free1: | the mysql backend setup, and the frontend is up and ok |
| [05:09:35] | free1: | but when I go to do a channel scan... no dice |
| [05:10:18] | mchou: | I think I like Michelle's version better than Cee lo's |
| [05:10:45] | free1: | I think lil wayne is the king of the south, yaaa dig |
| [05:11:24] | mchou: | huh?? |
| [05:11:53] | free1: | lil weezana |
| [05:12:05] | free1: | soo whoo |
| [05:12:15] | free1: | he's blooded |
| [05:12:48] | free1: | mchou what do you think about phillips chipset not working |
| [05:12:54] | free1: | for mythtv? |
| [05:13:21] | mchou: | free1: why would I care? |
| [05:13:33] | mchou: | if it dont work dont use it |
| [05:13:48] | mchou: | return it and buy something that works |
| [05:14:11] | free1: | mchou- I respect your gangster... |
| [05:14:21] | free1: | because if I tell the store |
| [05:14:28] | free1: | that it doesn't work with linux |
| [05:14:36] | free1: | they laugh-- in my face |
| [05:14:42] | free1: | they say the box says xp |
| [05:14:58] | mchou: | free1: you dont have to give a legit reason for returning it |
| [05:15:12] | mchou: | or just fleabay it |
| [05:15:39] | mchou: | just say "I couldnt get it to work w/o crashing" |
| [05:16:05] | free1: | what can I say, with linux... that could be deja vu all over again and again when it comes to hardware |
| [05:16:06] | mchou: | what are they gonna do, come out and check out your system? |
| [05:16:08] | free1: | ya mean? |
| [05:16:13] | free1: | no, |
| [05:16:26] | free1: | but they could make me persona no grata in their establishment |
| [05:16:37] | mchou: | which store is this? |
| [05:16:44] | free1: | damn ass best buy |
| [05:16:48] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:17:08] | mchou: | they be doing you a favor if they made you PNG |
| [05:17:22] | mchou: | best buy==WORST buy |
| [05:17:27] | free1: | I heard that. haha |
| [05:18:02] | free1: | but let me tell you, the other options, for some reason- are even worse- i.e. microcenter |
| [05:18:10] | free1: | circuit city, etc |
| [05:18:12] | mchou: | bah |
| [05:18:19] | mchou: | CC isnt too bad |
| [05:18:35] | free1: | their selection isn't all that extensive |
| [05:18:36] | mchou: | you can get good deals there if you go for rebates |
| [05:18:42] | free1: | true |
| [05:18:49] | free1: | as well as officemax |
| [05:18:57] | mchou: | plus CC sells Hauppauge |
| [05:19:04] | mchou: | that's all you need for now |
| [05:19:15] | free1: | which one |
| [05:19:18] | free1: | the usb |
| [05:19:23] | free1: | or the pcmcia |
| [05:19:32] | free1: | I've got a laptop |
| [05:19:37] | mchou: | I no longer know which works |
| [05:19:54] | free1: | that's a downer- for reals |
| [05:20:04] | mchou: | but hauppauge is mostly supported |
| [05:20:44] | free1: | mostly-- but some are definitely not |
| [05:21:45] | free1: | the pv150 is, but that is for a desktop |
| [05:21:46] | mchou: | anyway, I wouldnt buy an analog card these days |
| [05:22:01] | mchou: | going obsolete next year man |
| [05:22:11] | mchou: | just get pcmia firewire |
| [05:22:17] | mchou: | pcmcia* |
| [05:22:19] | free1: | and if I'm going to give up a bill, it should work |
| [05:22:38] | mchou: | and get a firewire STB |
| [05:23:10] | mchou: | anyway, using myth on lappy is "Crazy" :) |
| [05:23:23] | mchou: | in a gnarls barkley way |
| [05:24:06] | mchou: | "who do you, who do you, who do you, who do you think you are?" |
| [05:24:10] | free1: | right, or craz-ee in a stuntin like my daddy kind of way |
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| [05:24:28] | free1: | "the greatest rapper alive" |
| [05:24:34] | free1: | "show me my opponent" |
| [05:24:41] | free1: | young stunna |
| [05:25:07] | mchou: | "You really think you're in control" |
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| [05:25:15] | LoneShadow: | hi mchou |
| [05:25:29] | mchou: | hey |
| [05:25:34] | LoneShadow: | long time :) |
| [05:25:40] | mchou: | yup |
| [05:25:45] | free1: | "I am a prisoner locked behind xanax bars" |
| [05:26:17] | mchou: | anyway, that Michelle is great |
| [05:26:39] | mchou: | she does such a fantastic job on the cover |
| [05:27:05] | free1: | michelle better straighten that ass out when lil wayne comes on thru, yaa dig |
| [05:27:16] | mchou: | screw that |
| [05:27:21] | free1: | exactly |
| [05:27:25] | free1: | ya dig |
| [05:27:38] | mchou: | lil wayne got nothin' |
| [05:28:02] | free1: | son, he is the hardest working man in showbiz |
| [05:28:08] | free1: | he got ciara on the low |
| [05:28:22] | free1: | low low low- like the flo rider |
| [05:29:24] | mchou: | Michelle isn't even american |
| [05:29:50] | free1: | lil weezy had his city sunk out of america with katrina-- beat that. |
| [05:30:08] | mchou: | That's the last I'd expect a German singing hip hop/soul |
| [05:30:22] | mchou: | and doing such a great job of it |
| [05:30:38] | free1: | there you, son. you answered your own question |
| [05:30:46] | free1: | michelle= swagger jacker |
| [05:30:51] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:31:05] | LoneShadow: | Would AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ 2.1 GHz CPU and a motherboard with GeForce 7050 be able to playback HD media thru HDMI without any hickups ? |
| [05:31:58] | |Torg|: | LoneShadow: it should |
| [05:32:08] | mchou: | LoneShadow: why bother? |
| [05:32:13] | |Torg|: | depends on what you mean by HD tho |
| [05:32:16] | mchou: | get the cable STB |
| [05:32:27] | mchou: | does HDMI just fine |
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| [05:32:42] | LoneShadow: | I have that right now |
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| [05:33:30] | lizaoreo: | Where is the mythtv backend service thing located? I'm trying to set it up to start at startup, but I don't know where it's at. |
| [05:33:41] | LoneShadow: | was upgrading my webserver, was wondering if this new box can record thru firewire and playback with onboard video as well |
| [05:34:22] | LoneShadow: | |Torg|: mpeg2, which I get thru firewire from cable STB |
| [05:34:26] | mchou: | why would you need X2 4000+ for a web server? |
| [05:34:36] | mchou: | that's crazy |
| [05:34:40] | LoneShadow: | mchou: I know :) |
| [05:34:55] | LoneShadow: | my P2 400Mhz is sufficient |
| [05:35:14] | |Torg|: | then yes LoneShadow it should do fine |
| [05:35:39] | LoneShadow: | but I need a good fileserver with mirroring of SATA drives |
| [05:35:53] | mchou: | LoneShadow: is this a Fry's bundle? |
| [05:36:09] | LoneShadow: | so replacing my P2 400Mhz and P4 2ghz mythbox with a new one |
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| [05:36:33] | mchou: | you should have gotten rid of P4 long time ago...... |
| [05:36:57] | mchou: | that thing is an airport and contributes to global warming |
| [05:37:57] | LoneShadow: | mchou: nope, cpu + 2gb ram + motherboard = $140 |
| [05:38:19] | mchou: | keep the P2 if it still is capable of doing the job |
| [05:38:37] | mchou: | LoneShadow: not bad. where did you get it? |
| [05:38:39] | LoneShadow: | its good enough for a webserver |
| [05:38:46] | LoneShadow: | oh shoot, ram is out of stock |
| [05:38:52] | LoneShadow: | http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA24125 |
| [05:39:00] | LoneShadow: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . C-C8Junction |
| [05:39:13] | LoneShadow: | cpu + 2x1gb ram combo got sold out (Ram out of stock) |
| [05:40:12] | free1: | mchou- I got two more for you: |
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| [05:40:34] | free1: | "if I'm wrong, there is no right. If I'm wrong there is 'snow white' " |
| [05:40:36] | free1: | and |
| [05:40:52] | free1: | please recommend a pcmcia digital that works well with myth |
| [05:41:27] | mchou: | free1: what do you mean? pcmcia firewire |
| [05:41:56] | free1: | a tuner/recorder card that fits in the lappy and is digital... and works well in myth |
| [05:42:30] | mchou: | I dont know of any pcmcia firewire that DOESNT work with with linux |
| [05:42:57] | mchou: | free1: why would you want a tuner for a lappy for myth? |
| [05:43:30] | free1: | as robert kennedy said, ".... why not?" |
| [05:43:37] | mchou: | you should think of myth as an appliance |
| [05:43:50] | free1: | mchou- I've already installed front and back end |
| [05:43:52] | free1: | clean |
| [05:44:06] | mchou: | on the lappy? |
| [05:44:13] | free1: | yezzir |
| [05:44:41] | mchou: | nobody says you have to use lappy for BE just cause it's got SW installed |
| [05:44:47] | free1: | I'm not feeling in an appliance mood |
| [05:45:06] | free1: | I'm more of in a free software |
| [05:45:11] | free1: | kind of flow |
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| [05:45:45] | mchou: | free1: in any case I dont know jack about pcmcia tuners |
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| [05:46:08] | free1: | mchou- and you don't know jack about music |
| [05:46:10] | free1: | ;) |
| [05:46:16] | free1: | just kidding |
| [05:46:19] | free1: | you the boss |
| [05:47:09] | LoneShadow: | mchou: BE-2300 is a nice processor, 45watts |
| [05:47:32] | mchou: | yup, go for low TDP |
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| [05:48:30] | LoneShadow: | in the future, if I want to play bluray or hd-dvd, can Onboard Geforce 7050 handle it ? |
| [05:48:37] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:48:51] | mchou: | that's way off in the future |
| [05:48:57] | mchou: | forget about it |
| [05:49:15] | mchou: | all that DRM gonna make it not worthwhile |
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| [05:50:28] | mchou: | you wanna get thos HD formats, get a real DVD player |
| [05:50:47] | mchou: | those* |
| [05:52:51] | MaverickTech: | bah! |
| [05:52:58] | MaverickTech: | I found my fast forward problem |
| [05:53:06] | MaverickTech: | corrupted seektable it seems |
| [05:53:33] | mchou: | free1: check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Xt-XeWnHM |
| [05:54:21] | LoneShadow: | mchou: whats a good low powered dual core cpu ? |
| [05:54:25] | LoneShadow: | preferrablly 3ghz |
| [05:54:35] | mchou: | beats me |
| [05:54:42] | mchou: | I dont keep up anymore |
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| [05:55:32] | LoneShadow: | mchou: sent you a pvt message |
| [05:55:58] | mchou: | freenode not accepting PMS |
| [05:56:34] | free1: | mchou- yeah, he meshed well, but can someone really get in the cypher off this |
| [05:56:44] | free1: | the ghostface beat, maybe? |
| [05:56:49] | free1: | in mean time, |
| [05:56:53] | mchou: | yup :) |
| [05:56:59] | free1: | mchou- check this here out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iju9fnGc-zE |
| [05:58:17] | mchou: | free1: bah, that's not music man |
| [05:58:27] | free1: | mchou- what!!?!? |
| [05:58:37] | mchou: | free1: I'm being serious |
| [05:58:39] | free1: | that's electric blues guitar |
| [05:58:53] | free1: | that's stright from the soul |
| [05:58:56] | free1: | that boy is fire |
| [05:59:15] | mchou: | free1: we just hafta agree to disagree :) |
| [05:59:51] | free1: | "if I'm wrong, there is no right. If I'm wrong, there is 'snow white' ". |
| [05:59:58] | mchou: | bah |
| [06:00:27] | free1: | "that is a weak emotion" |
| [06:00:34] | mchou: | free1: in case you havent figured out, I like the classics mixed with the new |
| [06:00:38] | free1: | "my leather so soft" |
| [06:00:50] | free1: | the blues are classics |
| [06:01:01] | mchou: | free1: he talking about his "tool?" |
| [06:01:06] | free1: | it doesn't get any more timeless than that |
| [06:01:20] | free1: | no, he's talking about his life |
| [06:01:26] | free1: | and the way he moves |
| [06:01:34] | mchou: | he keeps talking about hoes and pussy |
| [06:01:43] | free1: | that's a part of life |
| [06:01:43] | mchou: | that's no class |
| [06:02:01] | free1: | he's driving a chevy 72 malibu chevelle |
| [06:02:05] | free1: | that's all class |
| [06:02:12] | free1: | very classy |
| [06:02:20] | mchou: | anyway, the movie has been made |
| [06:02:26] | free1: | what? are your from ford country, mchou? |
| [06:02:30] | mchou: | it's called Hustle and flow |
| [06:02:51] | free1: | pimpin ken said that movie was deregatory nonsense |
| [06:03:30] | mchou: | crunk is passe |
| [06:03:49] | free1: | I thought you said you were into classics? |
| [06:04:01] | free1: | how can you throw the term passe out there |
| [06:04:10] | free1: | ? |
| [06:04:13] | free1: | real is real |
| [06:04:18] | mchou: | classic doesnt mean "fad" |
| [06:04:29] | mchou: | passe is fad |
| [06:04:36] | free1: | crunk has been around since the 80s |
| [06:04:45] | free1: | I ain't never heard of no 30 year fad |
| [06:04:49] | free1: | holla |
| [06:05:16] | free1: | ya dig |
| [06:05:29] | mchou: | not according to wikipedia :) |
| [06:05:50] | mchou: | "The crunk genre originated in the early 1990s, but did not become mainstream until the early 2000s." |
| [06:06:25] | free1: | no... crunk is based even on the miami sound machine... that where luthe campbell got his samples and beats from early on |
| [06:06:37] | free1: | so that is the 80s- clean. |
| [06:06:45] | free1: | clean |
| [06:06:53] | mchou: | free1: so go correct wikipedia |
| [06:07:05] | free1: | of course, Luther is talking a lot about hos and pussy too. |
| [06:07:17] | free1: | so I'm not sure if that makes him a fad |
| [06:07:45] | free1: | mchou- you correct wikipedia. you found it |
| [06:07:54] | free1: | "Do The Right Thing" |
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| [06:07:59] | mchou: | lol |
| [06:08:18] | mchou: | I dunno the history of crunk as well as you do |
| [06:08:32] | mchou: | wont be able to defend any corrections :) |
| [06:08:48] | mchou: | free1: that's why I suggest you do it |
| [06:09:16] | free1: | It's easy... a little miami sound machine, a little uncle luke, some 8ball and MJG, lil troy |
| [06:09:21] | free1: | and you'll be ready to go |
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| [06:09:29] | free1: | just like me and mythtv |
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| [06:09:54] | mchou: | free1: nobody is gonna beat you over the head with mythtv |
| [06:10:08] | mchou: | free1: but they will in wikipedia |
| [06:10:41] | free1: | I'm trying to stay away from violence, the streets, etc. of that nature |
| [06:10:48] | mchou: | lol |
| [06:10:56] | free1: | no beatings, just all positivity for me |
| [06:10:58] | mchou: | wikipedia aint the street |
| [06:11:27] | free1: | you just told me they hand out beatings over there |
| [06:11:29] | mchou: | nobody gonna pop a cap in your ass for correcting wikipedia |
| [06:11:46] | mchou: | no, I'm talking a mental beating |
| [06:11:59] | free1: | son, I freestyles the best |
| [06:12:03] | mchou: | i.e. if you cant defend, you going down...... |
| [06:12:16] | free1: | ain't no lyrical assault that they can give me |
| [06:12:21] | free1: | that's why step to them |
| [06:12:31] | free1: | you. It's on you killa |
| [06:13:55] | free1: | lil wayne-- the carter 3. get that. mythtv, get that-- when some reliable info is out on what card is legit |
| [06:14:04] | free1: | get at me |
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| [06:33:58] | edman007: | where is the option to select the playback method used? (i want to disable xvmc because of compiz) |
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| [06:39:45] | drgeb: | Since I installed gutsy now mythtv-frontend is causing my gdm window manager to restart and kick me out of my session any idea how to trace and resolve this ?? |
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| [06:44:16] | bsdfox: | does it always restart at the same time or randomly? |
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| [06:44:48] | bsdfox: | drgeb: I'd guess it's a problem with X or gdm on gutsy, rather than mythfrontend |
| [06:49:56] | drgeb: | hmm I am reading a site and it's hinting at Xgl being the issue |
| [06:50:12] | drgeb: | trying to figure out how to dissable Xgl any ideas ? |
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| [07:58:29] | mzb_d800: | drgeb: disable 3d effects under "Appearance" |
| [07:58:34] | mzb_d800: | oops |
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| [08:56:09] | jeremy65: | can anyone help me with mythmedia? |
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| [08:57:38] | jeremy65: | i cant get songs to play |
| [08:58:01] | cesman: | what is mythmedia? |
| [08:58:24] | jeremy65: | its a module for mythtv that lets you play songs an videos |
| [08:58:43] | jeremy65: | i think |
| [08:58:44] | justinh: | ??? |
| [08:58:53] | jeremy65: | no? |
| [08:59:02] | jeremy65: | thats my understanding of it |
| [08:59:52] | justinh: | er.. where did you get that 'understanding' ? |
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| [09:00:11] | jeremy65: | i dunno prolly made it up in my head haha |
| [09:00:24] | jeremy65: | either way i cant get mythtv to play songs |
| [09:00:28] | justinh: | for playing music in mythtv, there's mythmusic |
| [09:00:29] | jeremy65: | or recognise cds |
| [09:00:42] | jeremy65: | thats what im thinking of! my bad |
| [09:00:47] | justinh: | for playing videos (i.e. those not recorded by mythtv) there's mythvideo |
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| [09:02:02] | jeremy65: | have u heard of my problem before? |
| [09:02:10] | justinh: | well, of course |
| [09:02:16] | jeremy65: | im not sure if its jus my method or a setting i hav wrong |
| [09:02:26] | justinh: | have you got mythmusic installed? |
| [09:02:38] | justinh: | did you configure mythmusic to tell it where the music lives on the machine? |
| [09:03:32] | jeremy65: | yup its installed |
| [09:03:40] | jeremy65: | ill jus check the directory |
| [09:04:10] | justinh: | an important thing to know about mythmusic & mythvideo is that neither of them will 'stream' files from a remote machine directly. to play 'remote' files, they must be mounted 'locally' in the same location on all mythtv machines via NFS or some other network file sharing method |
| [09:05:06] | jeremy65: | yea they all local |
| [09:05:25] | jeremy65: | i have mythtv pointing to /home/jeremy/music |
| [09:05:29] | justinh: | cesman: I'd not be surprised if there was an unofficial plugin called mythmedia – and if recent activity is anything to go by I also wouldn't be surprised if it's badly written & ill-thought out |
| [09:05:45] | jeremy65: | then the music im trying to add is in /home/jeremy/music/shins |
| [09:06:12] | justinh: | what format is the music in? |
| [09:06:31] | jeremy65: | mp3 |
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| [09:07:45] | justinh: | jeremy65: have a read of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythMusic |
| [09:08:09] | jeremy65: | yea ive had a look at it, dint find anything too helpful |
| [09:08:41] | justinh: | gah! why the hell are people writing wiki articles in that style? "you should", "I did this".. idiots! |
| [09:09:13] | jeremy65: | haha too true |
| [09:09:46] | justinh: | jeremy65: so you say you can't get songs to play. what does that mean exactly? do they appear in the list and you just can't hear them? or does mythmusic pop up an error of some sort? |
| [09:10:01] | directhex|bsp: | justinh, a lot of people treat wikis like blogs |
| [09:10:13] | justinh: | don't get me started on blogs |
| [09:10:17] | justinh: | ;) |
| [09:10:24] | mzb_d800: | which is better than nothing |
| [09:10:31] | justinh: | mzb_d800: _marginally_ |
| [09:10:37] | mzb_d800: | (ie. in lieu of the real thing) |
| [09:11:22] | jeremy65: | nah neither, the songs are in that shins folder but do not show in mythtv, i went to the scan for new music process which flashed a dialog box up too quickly to even show (if u kno wot i mean) |
| [09:11:30] | mzb_d800: | strangely enough, I write my blog entries in 3rd person ... but then I use my blog for my own "howtos" ... in case I forget |
| [09:11:36] | jeremy65: | then under select music there was no songs under "all my music" |
| [09:11:59] | mzb_d800: | is jeremy a member of the mythtv group? |
| [09:12:11] | justinh: | could be a permissions issue |
| [09:12:13] | jeremy65: | yup |
| [09:12:27] | mzb_d800: | and are the files in shin owned by the mythtv group? |
| [09:12:36] | justinh: | what user is mythfrontend running as? |
| [09:12:37] | mzb_d800: | s/shin/shins |
| [09:13:09] | jeremy65: | how can i check who owns the songs? |
| [09:13:15] | mzb_d800: | ls -l |
| [09:13:34] | mzb_d800: | or $ find /home/jeremy/music/shins -ls |
| [09:13:52] | mzb_d800: | ls -lLR |
| [09:14:06] | mzb_d800: | whatever ;) |
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| [09:15:56] | jeremy65: | hmm, cant get those commands to work, but right clicking on the files an checking out permissions says they owned by jeremy |
| [09:16:01] | jeremy65: | prolly the issue? |
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| [09:17:15] | mzb_d800: | both jeremy and the mythtv user (usually mythtv) need to be in the group that owns the files, AND the files need to be group readable (g+r) |
| [09:17:58] | mzb_d800: | the easiest way to ensure that, assuming that the mythtv group is the "common" group |
| [09:18:07] | mzb_d800: | # usermod -aG mythtv jeremy |
| [09:18:32] | mzb_d800: | # chown -R :mythtv /home/jeremy/music/shins |
| [09:18:39] | mzb_d800: | and rescan |
| [09:19:07] | mzb_d800: | errr |
| [09:19:19] | mzb_d800: | # chmod -R g+r /home/jeremy/music/shins |
| [09:19:22] | mzb_d800: | then rescan |
| [09:21:29] | jeremy65: | hmm no luck |
| [09:21:45] | jeremy65: | there is no mythtv user in my users window though |
| [09:21:48] | jeremy65: | is that normal |
| [09:21:54] | jeremy65: | i have the group |
| [09:22:21] | mzb_d800: | depends on your distro and how you installed mythtv |
| [09:22:54] | jeremy65: | ubuntu, from the synaptic package manager |
| [09:23:36] | mzb_d800: | change your music directory to /home/jeremy/music/shins and see what happens |
| [09:23:41] | mzb_d800: | btw: |
| [09:24:00] | jeremy65: | yea tried that already |
| [09:24:01] | mzb_d800: | much better to run the frontend from a console for debugging these sorts of things |
| [09:24:18] | mzb_d800: | eg: |
| [09:24:31] | mzb_d800: | $ mythfrontend --geometry 800x600 |
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| [09:26:02] | jeremy65: | cool reopened it in a console |
| [09:26:54] | jeremy65: | "what user is mythfrontend running as" what does this mean? |
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| [09:33:09] | jeremy65: | ok tried to change permissions |
| [09:33:12] | jeremy65: | but.. |
| [09:33:39] | jeremy65: | username:mythtv invalid user |
| [09:35:18] | mzb_d800: | did you put the colon in front? |
| [09:35:50] | mzb_d800: | on *most* installs, mythtv runs as mythtv:mythtv |
| [09:35:56] | mzb_d800: | not sure about ubuntu |
| [09:36:19] | mzb_d800: | you'd be best off checking up on ubuntu-specific docs for background information |
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| [13:30:18] | TP2k: | Hi, does anyone know if there is a way to update what videos the mythvideo plugin knows about without going to "video manager" (i.e. I'm looking for someway to do it from a terminal). |
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| [13:37:05] | GreyFoxx: | Only scripts I know of are for updating the imdb info for a movie, not just for populating the list of what files exist |
| [13:37:46] | GreyFoxx: | You don't actually NEED to use the video manager though if you configure it to browse the directories |
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| [13:39:21] | black_Nightmare_: | hey? |
| [13:40:47] | black_Nightmare_: | hm dead quiet :p |
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| [14:01:03] | navdog: | hi |
| [14:01:27] | navdog: | overscan happens on all inputs of a TV/projector, correct? |
| [14:01:33] | navdog: | or is the setting input specific? |
| [14:01:47] | navdog: | so if I use component out/DVI/AGP, would it matter? |
| [14:02:34] | ali1234: | the setting is usually input specific |
| [14:03:04] | ali1234: | there is often a hidden engineering menu that lets you adjust the overscan, just like on a PC monitor |
| [14:03:19] | ali1234: | it's also a 1 way ticket to broken TV land if you mess it up |
| [14:05:11] | xand: | MythLogBot: shush |
| [14:05:44] | ali1234: | also projectors/lcd panels are different to crts |
| [14:05:52] | navdog: | I am going to get a pj |
| [14:08:46] | ali1234: | projectors usually have pretty easy to use picture controls, for keystone etc |
| [14:10:07] | navdog: | so I can set my overscan to 0? |
| [14:10:25] | ali1234: | yes, of course |
| [14:10:36] | ali1234: | however |
| [14:10:38] | navdog: | it's going to be a 720p projector... can I change my X settings to output to that resolution? |
| [14:11:15] | ali1234: | projectors work the same way as lcd panels... you have to drive them at the native resolution otherwise the scaling kicks in and the results are terrible |
| [14:11:19] | navdog: | the biggest issue I am dealing with right now is to decide on how to connect the pj |
| [14:11:44] | navdog: | VGA/Composite |
| [14:11:53] | ali1234: | *not* composite |
| [14:11:54] | navdog: | err Component |
| [14:12:44] | ali1234: | i've never used component, i'm in europe, here we just have VGA and VGA with inverted sync, aka RGB |
| [14:12:46] | navdog: | I might have to get a long cable... in that case, I heard that long VGA cables do not carry signal that well |
| [14:13:19] | ali1234: | i've never had a problem with long VGA cables... how long are you talking? |
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| [14:14:25] | navdog: | I haven't decided the exact location of the projector/HTPC yet, but anywhere from 15'-30' |
| [14:14:38] | navdog: | if I put it at the very back of my room... 15' |
| [14:14:58] | navdog: | if I put it somewhere in the middle... it will be 30' |
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| [14:16:47] | ali1234: | well i've gone about 10' without any major problems |
| [14:17:15] | directhex|bsp: | what's 30' in real numbers? |
| [14:17:22] | ali1234: | 9 metres |
| [14:17:36] | directhex|bsp: | no problem then |
| [14:17:56] | directhex|bsp: | as long as they're decent cables, and you don't want to drive 1080p |
| [14:18:48] | navdog: | how's deinterlacing these days under linux? |
| [14:18:54] | ali1234: | fine. |
| [14:19:15] | ali1234: | the problem comes when you want to play interlaced video on an interlaced display, without deinterlacing it |
| [14:19:16] | navdog: | I heard the nvidia's hardware solution is pretty good |
| [14:19:28] | navdog: | but that is windows only |
| [14:19:32] | navdog: | "PureVideo" |
| [14:20:01] | directhex|bsp: | the nvidia flicker filter does a good job with interlaced video, but only via tv-out |
| [14:22:00] | ali1234: | bleh. the dreaded flicker filter makes everything look like... when you play WMV in VLC... |
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| [14:24:36] | ali1234: | actually i suspect the flicker filter looks totally different depending what nvidia card you have |
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| [14:59:29] | Ryushin: | So can I assume now that the ffmpeg sync has been completed, we now have multi-threaded playback for multiple cores? |
| [15:13:43] | |Torg|: | if it does ill test it later, im still using old 14490 |
| [15:13:59] | |Torg|: | Ive been playing with RT threads, and it gives me more then simply using dual cores ATM |
| [15:15:54] | janneg: | Ryushin: no, the patch that enables multithreading isn't committed. mainly because it misses a setting for the number of threads |
| [15:17:31] | janneg: | Ryushin: if you want use multithreading apply http://www.grunau.be/0001-enable-multithreade . . . coding.patch |
| [15:20:56] | Ryushin: | Okay, thanks. I guess I can just be patient a little longer. I can currently play back HD with one core, so I'm okay for now I guess. |
| [15:21:19] | Ryushin: | I guess the big kicker is when transcode starts supporting h.264 as an option. |
| [15:23:20] | |Torg|: | Ryushin: try http://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page |
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| [15:28:38] | Ryushin: | Hmmm.... Time to read up on that. |
| [15:29:16] | |Torg|: | my own spot checsk show it saving me about 1/3 on CPU time for X |
| [15:31:15] | Ryushin: | Going to have to investigate that. |
| [15:32:47] | |Torg|: | my end goal is to get my box to reliably play back 1080P h264 without stuttering. It can almost get there now |
| [15:33:00] | |Torg|: | so im really trying to squueze blood out of a rock |
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| [15:56:08] | Dabian: | What kind of rock? |
| [16:02:34] | Ryushin: | |Torg|: How much horsepower do you have? I'm wondering what it's going to take to playback 1080P h264. What are you using to encode the recordings? |
| [16:03:06] | Ryushin: | I have a X2 at 2.2 ghz in my main backend. |
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| [16:04:08] | directhex|bsp: | backend is irrelevant |
| [16:04:19] | directhex|bsp: | i have no idea why people focus so much on ghz in the back-end |
| [16:04:39] | Dabian: | My myth install hangs when I defined my video source ... what is video source anyhow, btw? |
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| [16:05:09] | Ryushin: | Well it's my main frontend as well. |
| [16:05:26] | directhex|bsp: | Ryushin, then you need multithreaded decoding |
| [16:05:46] | Ryushin: | Right, but is 2.2 ghz powerful enough to do 1080p h264 playback. |
| [16:05:58] | Ryushin: | I'm thinking it won't be. |
| [16:06:15] | Ryushin: | I'm almost thinking it's going to take a quadcore to be able to do it. |
| [16:06:34] | directhex|bsp: | Ryushin, with threaded decoding, it should be fine |
| [16:06:46] | directhex|bsp: | Ryushin, a single core won't do the job |
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| [16:07:46] | Ryushin: | Now it would be nice if transcode starts support h264. |
| [16:07:57] | directhex|bsp: | it doesn't? |
| [16:08:21] | directhex|bsp: | use mencoder then |
| [16:09:51] | Ryushin: | Well, it would be nice if Myth would call it directly and monitor like it does with transcode. I can see how far a job is and how many frames/sec is processing. |
| [16:10:37] | Ryushin: | From what I understand, a script get's called by myth, and then the script has to handle the encoding, and make changes in the database to reflect the name change. |
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| [16:17:44] | Kazan: | who is actually maintaining mythweather? |
| [16:18:01] | justinh: | nobody is maintaining the 0.20.x version :) |
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| [16:19:58] | Dabian: | justinh : I'm a fan of Terrance Hill. I loved the movie nobody. :) |
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| [16:21:13] | Dabian: | I've been using various GNU/Linux programmes and hardware for much more than 5 years – how come a tv-tuner and mythtv is so hard to set up? |
| [16:21:26] | justinh: | Dabian: it's not hard! |
| [16:21:52] | Kazan: | i'm using runk |
| [16:21:54] | justinh: | it's only 'hard' if you don't know what you're doing |
| [16:22:01] | Kazan: | what tv tuner is it dabian |
| [16:22:03] | justinh: | runk? |
| [16:22:08] | Kazan: | trunk |
| [16:22:13] | Kazan: | didn't hit t key hard enough |
| [16:22:18] | Kazan: | laptop keyboard getting old |
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| [16:22:33] | justinh: | Kazan: if there's a bug, report it in trac at svn.mythtv.org |
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| [16:22:50] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
| [16:22:53] | Kazan: | heh... the entire thing doesn't work? |
| [16:23:20] | black_Nightmare_: | just had to wonder out of curiousity but mythtv has generic scsi support included? |
| [16:23:33] | ali1234: | huh? |
| [16:23:35] | justinh: | Kazan: you must just be being like everybody else who tried mythweather-revamp for the first few times. it sucks |
| [16:23:38] | Dabian: | kazan 350 |
| [16:23:46] | justinh: | black_Nightmare_: mythtv doesn't 'support' any devices |
| [16:23:51] | Kazan: | yeah.. revamp... suck |
| [16:23:57] | Dabian: | justinh : I guess I dont know what I am doing then. :) |
| [16:23:57] | Kazan: | mythtv is ust linux software |
| [16:24:03] | ali1234: | black_Nightmare_: that's up to your linux kernel, not mythtv |
| [16:24:10] | Kazan: | *smacks the J-key* |
| [16:24:15] | Dabian: | Kazan: Hauppauge PVR350 |
| [16:24:25] | Kazan: | you using it for output? |
| [16:24:27] | justinh: | Dabian: you have my condolences |
| [16:24:35] | Dabian: | Kazan : I set my tvcard for mpeg2 |
| [16:24:37] | Kazan: | setting up hauppauge card anything for input is trivial |
| [16:24:48] | Dabian: | Kazan : nah .. dont have a telly .. I got this card used from a friend. |
| [16:25:01] | Kazan: | sure the card is functional? |
| [16:25:02] | justinh: | Dabian: you'd better start off by explaining exactly what seems to be wrong |
| [16:25:11] | Dabian: | Kazan : Is there a way to check? |
| [16:25:24] | Dabian: | justinh : I dont know if I should define any video sources? |
| [16:25:32] | justinh: | Dabian: before you even set out with mythtv it's ESSENTIAL to make sure the hardware is all worky |
| [16:25:34] | Dabian: | justinh : In mythtv-setup |
| [16:25:34] | Kazan: | install ivtv tools |
| [16:25:45] | Kazan: | and use mplayer to /dev/videoN and then ivtv-tune |
| [16:25:56] | justinh: | Dabian: video sources are where you tell mythtv where the tv guide data comes from |
| [16:26:10] | ali1234: | "video sources" is such a terrible name for that section of the config |
| [16:26:15] | Dabian: | installing |
| [16:26:16] | justinh: | not 'video sources' as you'd normally expect to be something like 'video input one' |
| [16:26:23] | Kazan: | indeed |
| [16:26:26] | Kazan: | listing sources would be better |
| [16:26:27] | ali1234: | why not call it "listings sources" |
| [16:26:30] | justinh: | ali1234: so? where's the patch to put that right? |
| [16:26:52] | Dabian: | ali1234 : You need to fix that in quite a few languages ... |
| [16:26:56] | justinh: | as patches go it'd be a simple one |
| [16:27:14] | ali1234: | for all i know in other languages it isn't so badly named... |
| [16:27:15] | justinh: | Dabian: chances are it's already more logical in other languages |
| [16:27:16] | Dabian: | Kazan : OK .. ivtv sources installed |
| [16:27:31] | ali1234: | of course, checking out trunk over gprs might take me a while |
| [16:27:32] | justinh: | Dabian: had you installed ivtv before? |
| [16:27:41] | Kazan: | what kernel are you using dabian? |
| [16:27:42] | Dabian: | justinh : In danish its "Video kilder" "video sources" |
| [16:27:54] | Dabian: | 2.6.22-14-generic |
| [16:28:01] | Kazan: | oh an have you installed the firmware for your card |
| [16:28:04] | Dabian: | stock kernel with 7.10 ubuntu |
| [16:28:07] | ali1234: | not to mention setting up the build environment... i'll get back to you in about 2 months yeah? |
| [16:28:08] | justinh: | Dabian: I'd just say to patch the English then whoever does the translations can catch up |
| [16:28:09] | Dabian: | firmware? |
| [16:28:15] | ** Kazan faceplants ** | |
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| [16:28:30] | Kazan: | http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| [16:28:45] | Kazan: | http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware |
| [16:28:55] | Dabian: | justinh : Right .. otherwise nothing will be changed. I can fix the danish ... but I guess its a long name in danish .. listings wouldn't sound right. |
| [16:28:59] | justinh: | Dabian: for pvr-xxx cards to work you need ivtv unless you've got a mega-new kernel where it's already included. even then you need the firmware |
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| [16:29:15] | Dabian: | Kazan : Whats firmware for? The card? |
| [16:29:19] | Kazan: | yes |
| [16:29:20] | Kazan: | the card |
| [16:29:22] | justinh: | Dabian: how about 'tv guide sources' then? |
| [16:30:04] | Dabian: | justinh : That would be "TV guide kilder" .. that sounds nice :) |
| [16:30:40] | justinh: | personally I think everybody should just learn English instead. much easier for us |
| [16:30:43] | justinh: | :P |
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| [16:31:14] | ali1234: | well, if it were up to me i'd remove that section entirely and force everyone to use only EIT. and if your cable company doesn't provide EIT, well then, stop paying them |
| [16:31:16] | justinh: | I know some Europeans online who use English better than British people |
| [16:31:33] | justinh: | ali1234: and if you don't want/use cable? |
| [16:31:50] | Dabian: | justinh : Nah .. danish would be much easier .. we have 100k less words than english. ;) |
| [16:32:01] | Kazan: | stfu ali1234 |
| [16:32:03] | ali1234: | also i'd drop all support for analogue |
| [16:32:24] | Kazan: | *Rolleyes* |
| [16:32:25] | Dabian: | ali1234 : I only have analogue. |
| [16:32:25] | justinh: | ali1234: drop framegrabber support first & foremost |
| [16:32:31] | Kazan: | go away troll |
| [16:32:38] | ** justinh drops support for ali1234 ** | |
| [16:32:51] | Dabian: | ali1234 : Can I kick your buttom, hard? |
| [16:33:19] | Kazan: | rm -f ali1234 |
| [16:33:26] | ** justinh hands ali1234 a shrinkwrapped coy of Vista MCE ** | |
| [16:33:40] | jduggan: | heh |
| [16:33:57] | justinh: | s/coy/copy |
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| [16:46:31] | Dabian: | Kazan : I am surfing with elinks .. what am I looking for at the ivtvdrivers dot org site? |
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| [16:47:39] | Dabian: | I found out I probably need this: |
| [16:47:40] | Dabian: | The PVR-350 also needs a MPEG initialization file. This file is called |
| [16:47:40] | Dabian: | v4l-cx2341x-init.mpg for ivtv-0.4.2 and up, and is called |
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| [16:48:06] | Dabian: | v4l-cx2341x-init-mpeg.bin for ivtv-0.4.0 and ivtv-0.4.1. |
| [16:49:31] | Dabian: | I have ivtv version 1.0.0 apparently ... So I guess I need the v4l-cx2341x-init.mpg |
| [16:49:43] | Dabian: | [ 46.141179] ivtv: version 1.0.0 (2.6.22-14-generic SMP mod_unload ) loading |
| [16:49:43] | Dabian: | [ 46.141253] ivtv0: Autodetected Hauppauge card (cx23415 based) |
| [16:57:25] | Dabian: | I cannot find firware.agent on my system .. so I am doing an "sudo apt-file update" to find out which package to install ... |
| [16:57:41] | Dabian: | I got the files .. but not sure where to install them. |
| [16:59:41] | cmoates: | Does myth keep a cache of the files it downloads from schedules direct somewhere? |
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| [17:01:08] | godzirra: | I still don't have full program listings. wtf. |
| [17:01:12] | godzirra: | What am I doing wrong here? |
| [17:01:30] | Dabian: | ... language .. |
| [17:02:30] | SiD3WiNDR: | "wtf" is bad language? |
| [17:02:38] | iamlindoro_: | fuck no it's not |
| [17:02:48] | seth|web: | hehe iamlindoro |
| [17:03:05] | Dabian: | SiD3WiNDR : I guess godzirra ment it to expand to somehting clean .. but some may read it otherwise. |
| [17:03:16] | godzirra: | Then some may need to not assume things. |
| [17:03:19] | fryfrog: | ohz mahz godz |
| [17:03:27] | fryfrog: | wtf isn't "language" :p |
| [17:04:02] | Dabian: | I'd kick for it in a family channel with south state us-americans though. |
| [17:04:15] | godzirra: | Then you're really over sensitive. |
| [17:04:27] | godzirra: | do you kick when someone says "fiddlesticks" too? : |
| [17:04:28] | godzirra: | :p |
| [17:04:33] | iamlindoro_: | concern it! |
| [17:04:38] | fryfrog: | or "darn" and "fudge" :) |
| [17:05:04] | SiD3WiNDR: | shoo! |
| [17:05:10] | godzirra: | anyways... more importantly... |
| [17:05:11] | fryfrog: | shucks! |
| [17:05:14] | godzirra: | Why do my program listings not work? |
| [17:05:19] | SiD3WiNDR: | the hell. |
| [17:05:21] | Dabian: | godzirra : Only if they overdo it. I dont op right now .. so it doesn't matter a lot. Some people dont like to expose their children to such language though. |
| [17:05:22] | fryfrog: | you forgot to turn your computer on |
| [17:05:31] | godzirra: | Dabian: To such language as "wtf"? :p |
| [17:05:35] | godzirra: | Thats stupid. |
| [17:05:41] | fryfrog: | how many *kids* are on IRC though? |
| [17:05:44] | directhex: | expose kids to guns. much safer than words like "shitcock" |
| [17:05:45] | godzirra: | Do you kick for "AOL" too? |
| [17:05:47] | fryfrog: | all the yungins use aol :p |
| [17:05:48] | Dabian: | godzirra : Thats your take, I guess. |
| [17:05:51] | godzirra: | those three letters offend me much more than "wtf" :p |
| [17:05:54] | Dabian: | godzirra Hehe .. I'd sure like to ;) |
| [17:05:56] | iamlindoro_: | Heh. Maybe this would be the appropriate time to complain that the imdb script won't return results for "College sluts 47"? |
| [17:06:02] | ** godzirra snickers. ** | |
| [17:06:10] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro_: bwhahah |
| [17:06:17] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, is the series listed on tv.com? ^_^ |
| [17:06:20] | directhex: | or epguides |
| [17:06:20] | iamlindoro_: | Hey, it's on-topic ;) |
| [17:06:20] | godzirra: | directhex: as soon as my kid turns 5, we're going shooting ;p |
| [17:06:28] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [17:06:30] | godzirra: | directhex: If he knows its not a toy, he won't use it like it is one =p |
| [17:06:39] | iamlindoro_: | Actually, I note that IMDB *does* have porn listings now, to my surprise |
| [17:06:45] | directhex: | godzirra, the american way! kill animals in cold blood, but never talk about shit |
| [17:06:47] | godzirra: | But more importantly... why do my program listings not work? :) |
| [17:06:54] | godzirra: | directhex: nah, I dont hunt. |
| [17:07:02] | iamlindoro_: | heh, godzirra, what is the issue you're seeing? |
| [17:07:05] | godzirra: | I'm not a redneck... I just believe in learning about guns. |
| [17:07:12] | godzirra: | iamlindoro_: all my programs say "unknown" |
| [17:07:15] | Dabian: | directhex: Who said anything about animals? :-P |
| [17:07:15] | godzirra: | I've ran mythfilldatabase |
| [17:07:24] | godzirra: | And my channels are labelled correctly |
| [17:07:26] | godzirra: | just no prgramming info |
| [17:07:38] | directhex: | Dabian, oh yeah, you said southern states. blacks & mexicans, then |
| [17:07:44] | Dabian: | lol |
| [17:07:45] | iamlindoro_: | Godzirra, on SchedulesDirect? |
| [17:08:01] | godzirra: | Yup. |
| [17:08:09] | Dabian: | back on topic .. |
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| [17:08:26] | iamlindoro_: | Hrm... ok, im mythtv-setup, when you have it retrieve lineups, does it do so? |
| [17:08:32] | godzirra: | Yes. |
| [17:08:51] | iamlindoro_: | ok, well that's a good sign, at least... have you tried mythfilldatabase --refresh-all? |
| [17:08:56] | godzirra: | nope |
| [17:09:01] | godzirra: | just --do-channel-updates |
| [17:09:08] | iamlindoro_: | give it a shot... probably won't help, but can't hurt either |
| [17:09:24] | Dabian: | According to the ivtvdrivers dot org site, I need to look for a file called "firmware.agent" if I got it right ... it appears that Ubuntu 7.10 ships without it? |
| [17:09:28] | godzirra: | Hrm. ok. I can run it while I'm trying to figure out why X broke =p |
| [17:09:35] | iamlindoro_: | Well, I guess *anything* can hurt |
| [17:09:35] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [17:09:45] | iamlindoro_: | godzirra, heh, what distro and graphics driver |
| [17:09:54] | godzirra: | It starts, it just doesnt start a windows manager. |
| [17:09:56] | godzirra: | gdm starts fine. |
| [17:09:59] | godzirra: | ubuntu, nvidia. |
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| [17:10:27] | directhex: | Dabian, #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [17:10:29] | iamlindoro_: | hrm, ok, sometimes it helps to do a sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop gdm |
| [17:10:34] | godzirra: | Its not a video card problem though. |
| [17:10:49] | iamlindoro_: | won't break any settings, and that's sorta the "swatting a fly with an elephant gun" solution, but it often works ;) |
| [17:10:53] | ali1234: | Dabian: ubuntu has all the necessary scripts to load the firmwares for just about everythintg. all you have to do is supply the actual firmware, which legally they cannot. |
| [17:11:05] | godzirra: | lol |
| [17:11:27] | ali1234: | Dabian: just put it in /lib/firmware/<kernel version> or wherever they moved it now |
| [17:11:33] | Dabian: | ali1234 : I downloaded firmware dot tar dot something |
| [17:11:39] | iamlindoro_: | ali1234, yeah, still there ;) |
| [17:11:46] | Dabian: | ali1234 unpack? |
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| [17:12:06] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [17:12:15] | ali1234: | look at dmesg. there will probably me a message like "cannot find /lib/firmware/...blah blah" |
| [17:12:19] | iamlindoro_: | should be .fw probably |
| [17:12:24] | ali1234: | you just need to supply that file |
| [17:12:31] | Dabian: | only the dot fw files? |
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| [17:13:11] | Dabian: | OK .. i guess the dot mpg also ... right? |
| [17:13:14] | iamlindoro_: | do as ali1234 said, you only need the file it specifies in dmesg |
| [17:13:23] | Dabian: | oh ok. |
| [17:13:49] | Dabian: | It says it loaded firmware .. |
| [17:14:00] | Dabian: | [ 46.826287] ivtv0: loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (-139634398395792 bytes) |
| [17:14:07] | Dabian: | [ 46.846920] ivtv0: loaded v4l-cx2341x-dec.fw firmware (-139634398395824 bytes) |
| [17:14:07] | ali1234: | congratulations |
| [17:14:13] | Dabian: | [ 47.069889] ivtv0: Recommended firmware version is 0x02060039. |
| [17:14:20] | Dabian: | [ 47.706214] ivtv0: loaded v4l-cx2341x-init.mpg firmware (-139634392186720 bytes) |
| [17:14:27] | iamlindoro_: | ARGH, use pastebinnnnnn |
| [17:14:32] | Dabian: | Sorry |
| [17:14:34] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [17:14:34] | Dabian: | thats all though. |
| [17:14:44] | directhex: | linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-14-generic: /lib/firmware/2.6.22-14-generic/v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw |
| [17:14:51] | Dabian: | I did dmesg|grep firm |
| [17:14:58] | iamlindoro_: | if you have a /dev/video0 you are probably all set |
| [17:15:06] | Dabian: | I do |
| [17:15:14] | iamlindoro_: | tadaaaaa |
| [17:15:27] | Dabian: | I guess ubuntu comes with the firmware these days then? |
| [17:15:48] | ali1234: | if they can get permission from the device manufacturer |
| [17:15:49] | iamlindoro_: | I believe it is actually no longer required for pvr-x50s on new versions of ivtv |
| [17:16:13] | iamlindoro_: | ergo the v4l prefix in your .fw file |
| [17:16:28] | Dabian: | ok .. and i have the PVR350 .. (but no TV .. so dont use the extra ports) |
| [17:16:38] | Dabian: | ahh ok :) |
| [17:16:54] | Dabian: | So ... how can I check if the card actually works? |
| [17:17:05] | Dabian: | I have plugged the TV-antenna |
| [17:17:08] | iamlindoro_: | cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg |
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| [17:17:13] | iamlindoro_: | mplayer test.mpg |
| [17:17:53] | Dabian: | btw. mythtv seems to jam my keyboard most of the time .. is there a way to fix it without restarting X? |
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| [17:18:21] | iamlindoro_: | "jam" your keyboard? |
| [17:18:31] | fryfrog: | reminds me of space balls :/ |
| [17:18:35] | fryfrog: | is it strawberry or? |
| [17:18:44] | iamlindoro_: | Only one man would give me the raspberry... |
| [17:19:40] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: I can get to the console .. but not type in a gnome-terminal. |
| [17:20:17] | Dabian: | btw ... mplayer seems to show what could very well be an untuned channel .. aka snow. :) |
| [17:20:23] | iamlindoro_: | so ctrl-alt-f# works, but not the xterm? |
| [17:20:29] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, then you're fine |
| [17:20:34] | iamlindoro_: | ie, it created a working mpg file |
| [17:20:40] | iamlindoro_: | ergo it works |
| [17:20:41] | Dabian: | apparently yeah :) |
| [17:20:44] | Dabian: | good :) |
| [17:20:52] | Dabian: | Now how do I tune it to a channel? |
| [17:21:11] | Dabian: | can I delete all the config I made of myth and replace it with a working config, or something? |
| [17:21:15] | iamlindoro_: | use tvtime or myth |
| [17:21:25] | iamlindoro_: | sure, you can drop mythconverg |
| [17:21:34] | Dabian: | tvtime doesn't support my card apparently. |
| [17:21:40] | iamlindoro_: | Whaaaa?????? |
| [17:21:45] | iamlindoro_: | That can't be right |
| [17:21:58] | Dabian: | I try again then. |
| [17:22:10] | Dabian: | Maybe someone told me manure :) |
| [17:22:27] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, wait, looks like maybe it doesn't support ivtv in general |
| [17:22:30] | iamlindoro_: | *crazy* |
| [17:22:45] | Dabian: | It complains it cannot open /dev/video0 |
| [17:22:58] | Dabian: | and some ivtv error |
| [17:23:11] | ali1234: | if /dev/video0 is really emitting mpegs then i doubt tvtime would work with it |
| [17:23:13] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, no ivtv support |
| [17:23:31] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, pvrx50s output straight mpeg, so no tvtime |
| [17:23:39] | iamlindoro_: | ok, well, anyway, just fix your mythtv setup |
| [17:23:42] | iamlindoro_: | since your card is fine |
| [17:23:43] | ali1234: | tvtime-scanner may still work though |
| [17:23:56] | ali1234: | depends how it detects signal |
| [17:24:07] | Dabian: | mythconverg? |
| [17:24:24] | iamlindoro_: | dabian, what is wrong with your mythtv setup that you want to eliminate it and start again? |
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| [17:25:01] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: When I run mythtv-setup .. and finnish with video-sources .. it goes to 50% instantly and then freezes. |
| [17:25:29] | Dabian: | maybe because I didn't have xml-tv install though .. come to think of it? |
| [17:26:05] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, how long did you wait? Usually that 50% point is whil it's trying to download your lineups... who is your lsiting source? |
| [17:26:22] | Dabian: | Dunno .. I am in Denmark |
| [17:26:38] | iamlindoro_: | So why did you set up a listings source if you have no idea what your listings source is? |
| [17:26:42] | Dabian: | I assume we use PAL .. though wikipedia claims we use DVB-T or soemthing. |
| [17:26:46] | iamlindoro_: | ie, if you don't have one, why set one up? |
| [17:26:57] | Dabian: | I am not sure |
| [17:27:03] | Dabian: | so I can do without a listning? |
| [17:27:03] | ali1234: | we went over this, it's because the menus are illogically named :/ |
| [17:27:27] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, you can do without a listing, presuming you can do a channel scan |
| [17:27:42] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: How do I know if I can do a scan? |
| [17:27:48] | iamlindoro_: | You'll get unknown for all your programs until you set one up, but you will minimully be able to tune |
| [17:27:58] | iamlindoro_: | What input are you using? coax, or otherwise? |
| [17:28:02] | Dabian: | coax |
| [17:28:11] | Dabian: | I am pretty sure its analog though. |
| [17:28:13] | iamlindoro_: | Then you can probably scan assuming you set your modulation right |
| [17:28:25] | Dabian: | modulation is PAL or something, right? |
| [17:28:48] | Dabian: | (NTSC for us-americans) |
| [17:28:52] | justinh: | look it up |
| [17:28:55] | iamlindoro_: | So go back to mythtv setup, set up your card properly (NOT as a v4l card, but as type "Mpeg-2 encoder card") don't set up a listings source, and scan for channels |
| [17:29:05] | Dabian: | mpeg2 is it set up for |
| [17:29:09] | Dabian: | ok :) |
| [17:29:12] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, no, Modulation is something like QAM-256, 8VSB, etc |
| [17:29:20] | justinh: | if folks weren't so damn allergic to looking stuff up, mythtv would be easier to set up for them :) |
| [17:29:35] | justinh: | NTSC is a _video_ _standard_ |
| [17:29:37] | iamlindoro_: | If you are on a QAM cable system, you are probably QAM-64 or 256, but your mileage may vary |
| [17:29:42] | justinh: | PAL is a _video_ _standard_ |
| [17:30:00] | justinh: | if you're in the USA/Canada/Japan then you use NTSC |
| [17:30:15] | justinh: | places in Europe generally use PAL & its variants |
| [17:31:01] | Dabian: | It complains that it cannot open the card .. so do I need to setup input or something? |
| [17:31:11] | Dabian: | I dunno about modulation. |
| [17:31:45] | justinh: | is the user you're running mythtv-setup as, a member of the 'video' group? or the group which has permission to use /dev/video0 ? |
| [17:32:45] | justinh: | be sure mythbackend isn't running to, cos that'll want the card all the time |
| [17:32:52] | justinh: | s/to/too |
| [17:32:52] | Dabian: | I should think so .. |
| [17:32:59] | justinh: | you should think so? |
| [17:33:07] | justinh: | you need to _know_ so |
| [17:33:11] | Dabian: | the mythtv-setup stops backend |
| [17:33:16] | iamlindoro_: | No it doesn't |
| [17:33:23] | iamlindoro_: | Erm, wait |
| [17:33:25] | justinh: | if you're on ubunut it does |
| [17:33:32] | iamlindoro_: | I think gutsy calls some script that DOES stop backend |
| [17:33:35] | iamlindoro_: | my bad |
| [17:33:43] | Dabian: | OK :) |
| [17:33:49] | justinh: | and if you're on ubunut WTF are you doing just randomly prodding in the firkin dark for?! |
| [17:34:00] | justinh: | see the ubunut community docs about mythtv |
| [17:34:08] | Dabian: | I am in video group and video group does have read-write to /dev/video* stuf. |
| [17:34:27] | Dabian: | is the tuner called something else? |
| [17:34:40] | justinh: | go read the ubuntu community docs |
| [17:34:41] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, you didn't leave cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg running, did you? |
| [17:34:45] | Dabian: | justinh : WHat do you mean? Whats that? |
| [17:34:47] | justinh: | stop right now & go read them |
| [17:35:00] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: Nah :) |
| [17:35:14] | justinh: | http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a . . . oogle+Search |
| [17:35:28] | Dabian: | justinh : Thanks |
| [17:35:44] | justinh: | there should be a law against allowing software like mythtv to be installed via an 'easy to use' menu driven program |
| [17:36:00] | justinh: | i.e. bypassing all the docs |
| [17:36:21] | godzirra: | Is there any sort of prioritization like on tivo? |
| [17:36:31] | justinh: | evidently this is true because there's a need for distros like mythbuntu, knoppmyth & mythdora |
| [17:36:35] | justinh: | what's tivo? |
| [17:36:40] | justinh: | godzirra: yes. rtfm |
| [17:36:45] | justinh: | see the wiki |
| [17:36:51] | godzirra: | So polite. |
| [17:36:53] | iamlindoro_: | godzirra, Dunno about tivo, on myth you can prioritize tuners and schedules |
| [17:36:58] | godzirra: | I've read the manual often thanks. |
| [17:37:00] | justinh: | see the wiki |
| [17:37:01] | justinh: | see the wiki |
| [17:37:12] | godzirra: | Because I didnt see one feature in the manual doesn't mean I didnt read it. Stop being a douche. |
| [17:37:40] | justinh: | means you didn't digest what you read but hey |
| [17:38:07] | godzirra: | Whatever makes you feel better. |
| [17:38:10] | ali1234: | i'm sick of reading manuals dammit |
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| [17:38:13] | justinh: | all this stuff is in the docs. this channel isn't a substitute for going & looking yourself |
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| [17:38:27] | Dabian: | justinh : Whats that supposed to tell me? |
| [17:38:39] | godzirra: | No, apparently its a place to come and pretend your superior because you have used mythtv longer. |
| [17:39:15] | justinh: | godzirra: nothing of the sort. you have no idea how many lame-ass simple questions people ask here that could very easily be answered by themselves if they could be arsed to look |
| [17:39:33] | Dabian: | The doc is in english :( |
| [17:39:34] | godzirra: | Well I'm sorr,y I must have missed it when I was spending 2 days setting up lirc. ;p |
| [17:39:53] | justinh: | how much of a bitch lirc can be is FA to do with mythtv :) |
| [17:40:09] | ali1234: | "can be" is optimistic |
| [17:40:17] | justinh: | though people have been looking at ways of taking some responsibility for it |
| [17:40:24] | iamlindoro_: | hahha, here comes the "language" talk again ;) |
| [17:40:31] | godzirra: | Eh, I disagree. |
| [17:40:38] | Dabian: | justinh : THere is some error in the doc .. the links to installing the backend doesn't work. |
| [17:40:50] | godzirra: | lirc is pretty important if people are looking at mythtv as a viable alternative. |
| [17:41:03] | godzirra: | Just because its not specifically part of myth, doesn't mean it has nothing to do with it. |
| [17:41:17] | ali1234: | godzirra: lirc is totally superfluous, obsolete garbage |
| [17:41:28] | Dabian: | godzirra : Alternative to what? |
| [17:41:49] | godzirra: | tivo. cable company's dvr... whatever else I can't think of. |
| [17:41:59] | iamlindoro_: | godzirra: I think the mistake is in beleiving that the myth develops care about the adoption of linux or myth... I think they mostly just want it to work for their needs... I don't know that linux evangelists and mythtv users are necessarily the same people |
| [17:41:59] | justinh: | Dabian: you've got it installed. you need to find out what steps you need to do to set it up properly |
| [17:42:22] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: exactly. |
| [17:42:26] | godzirra: | iamlindoro_: Probably. |
| [17:42:34] | ** godzirra shrugs. ** | |
| [17:42:46] | godzirra: | Still, my opinion is that lirc is at least related to mythtv, for most people. |
| [17:42:54] | godzirra: | Because its not written by myth developers doesnt mean anything. |
| [17:43:00] | squidly: | can someone tell me what the big deal is with the pvr-350's vs the pvr-150. I dont really see anything unique |
| [17:43:14] | justinh: | Dabian: last time I installed mythtv on ubuntu gutsy it guided me through the process well enough not to have needed reading the docs. the key to that is not just to dismiss all the popups without reading em |
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| [17:43:30] | Philyboy: | squidly: pvr 350 has onboard mpeg decoding |
| [17:43:39] | iamlindoro_: | squidly: pvr 350 = something I don't want to use vs PVR 150 = something I do? :) |
| [17:43:39] | justinh: | squidly: the pvr-350 has an onboard mpeg2 decoder & tv output whereas the pvr150 only has video inputs |
| [17:44:09] | Philyboy: | pvr-350 good for low end machine (epia) |
| [17:44:12] | justinh: | the advantages of the pvr350 have long gone away |
| [17:44:22] | squidly: | ok that is what I thought. |
| [17:44:27] | squidly: | I've got a 150 on my desktop |
| [17:44:44] | Philyboy: | squidly: can the pvr350 be used to decode hd |
| [17:44:50] | justinh: | they're only any cop if you're only ever going to be recording & playing back mpeg2/ they're NO help for mpeg4, wmv, svix, divx, wmv etc |
| [17:44:53] | justinh: | Philyboy: NO |
| [17:45:13] | justinh: | PVR350s are only good for SDTV, and mpeg2 SDTV at that |
| [17:45:56] | squidly: | what is a good hd capture card? I have comcast but I don't want to use their digital cable crap |
| [17:46:22] | Philyboy: | squidly: does your comcast box have firewire |
| [17:46:37] | iamlindoro_: | squidly, lots of answers to that... Hd 5000, HDHomeRun, Kworld 110/115... Just know what you are getting in to in terms of encryption, ie you will likely only get network TV |
| [17:46:39] | squidly: | Philyboy: I dont have a compcrap box |
| [17:46:47] | justinh: | squidly: you can grab HD over the air with an antenna, over cable via QAM, or with a HD set top box with a firewire output. YMMV |
| [17:47:16] | Dabian: | justinh : I think the problem when reading the docs and the popups is that I am not native-english and doesn't understand half of what I am reading. I just want to watch TV for now .. preferable with mythtv .. and then dive into the docs about about how to talk to a backend-backup in the other end of the world later ... |
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| [17:47:31] | squidly: | justinh: iamlindoro_ ok thanks. I'm more looking to grab the unencrypted stuff comcast has to send out free over their cable |
| [17:47:50] | iamlindoro_: | squidly, yeah, then any one of the above would work well |
| [17:47:51] | fryfrog: | squidly: then you'll want a card with |
| [17:47:53] | fryfrog: | bah |
| [17:47:55] | fryfrog: | QAM |
| [17:47:58] | justinh: | grabbing over firewire MAY get you all the channels you subscribe to, it may get you only local channels or it may get you nothing (in which case you'd have to kick the butt of the cableco if you're in the USA) |
| [17:48:01] | fryfrog: | and... be prepared for a hastle |
| [17:48:20] | squidly: | justinh: I wont give comcast anymore $$ then I have to |
| [17:48:43] | fryfrog: | because a) the channels will be randomly scattered 2) you'll get all the *crap* channels to sort though and Q) you'll probably have to try to tune to 300+ fake/encrypted channels to find the 5 HD OTA channels. |
| [17:49:12] | fryfrog: | You'd probably have better luck 1) throwing up an ant (evne rabbit ears work for many) or T) using firewire from a STB |
| [17:49:37] | justinh: | squidly: so you'll be limited to whatever you can get with an antenna & PC HDTV card (or HDhomerun box) |
| [17:50:20] | squidly: | justinh: that's fine with me. I dont watch tv all that much anyways. I just wanted to play with the over the air hd |
| [17:50:21] | fryfrog: | if you can find a good, working STB w/ firewire that is stable... it is by far the best solution of the cable co doens't suck in your area. |
| [17:50:42] | fryfrog: | In Atlanta, I got *EVERY* channel I paid for over firewire, and the file sizes are *tiny* for SD stuff. |
| [17:50:55] | squidly: | fryfrog: I doubt I will find anything that comcast has not tried to fuck with |
| [17:50:56] | fryfrog: | but the STBs I had (HD DVRs) sucked donkey penis |
| [17:51:08] | squidly: | lol fryfrog |
| [17:51:16] | fryfrog: | squidly: you'd be surprised, go pick up an HD tuner from a local office, try it for a month and if it doesn't work, return it |
| [17:51:40] | fryfrog: | there are a number of people who's stbs work great with myth. I think if I had gotten HD tuners (not hddvrs), I might have been okay too. |
| [17:51:41] | Dabian: | Lemme give an example of a doc thing that is impossible for me to decrypt: |
| [17:51:41] | squidly: | fryfrog: they want to charge me a lot for that. |
| [17:51:46] | squidly: | also I dont have a hd tv reight now |
| [17:51:52] | Dabian: | " The input connections page allows you assign any Video Sources |
| [17:51:53] | Dabian: | input_1.png to Inputs on your capture sources before. |
| [17:51:54] | Dabian: | " |
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| [17:52:00] | fryfrog: | so why bother with OTA HD? |
| [17:52:03] | Dabian: | What the freak is that supposed to mean? |
| [17:52:10] | squidly: | to play with |
| [17:52:18] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [17:52:21] | squidly: | ie: an excuse to get a new toy :D |
| [17:52:27] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, on that page you associate a listings source with an input on your card |
| [17:52:29] | squidly: | and besided comp monistors can do HD pretty well |
| [17:52:30] | fryfrog: | I have 2x air2pc cards and 1x PVR500 |
| [17:52:40] | fryfrog: | the HD card records so little that i pulled one out of the server |
| [17:52:50] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: What is an input on my card? |
| [17:52:55] | fryfrog: | squidly: computer monitors for the most part are better than HD :) |
| [17:53:03] | squidly: | fryfrog: lol I know |
| [17:53:07] | iamlindoro_: | like S-v dieo, Coax, etc. |
| [17:53:15] | ali1234: | Dabian: you just have to decode it. "video sources" means "listings sources" and "catpure sources" means your tv card. remember legacy cards had composite s-video and rf tuner, so that's what the inputs are |
| [17:53:28] | squidly: | i'm also looking for a good remote control for my mythbox anyone got a recomendation? |
| [17:53:37] | fryfrog: | If I were you, I would just get an STB for a month. Get the HD tuner, you don't have to subscribe to the HD service and it'll still tune the HD OTA |
| [17:53:42] | Dabian: | So what do I need to do, since I deleted the listings? |
| [17:53:48] | fryfrog: | if it works, it'll work the best :) |
| [17:53:57] | ali1234: | Dabian: nothing just go to the channel editor and scan for channels |
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| [17:54:02] | fryfrog: | squidly: Logitech's Harmony Remote series of remotes rocks my pants off |
| [17:54:13] | directhex: | expensive though |
| [17:54:22] | squidly: | directhex: /me is single :D |
| [17:54:34] | squidly: | fryfrog: ok I may look at that. Does it come with a reciever? |
| [17:54:39] | Dabian: | ali1234 : It says it cannot open the card ... |
| [17:54:43] | iamlindoro_: | I like my little mceusb... I cracked 'er open and took out the windows logo too ;) |
| [17:54:43] | fryfrog: | sorry, no it is a universal remote |
| [17:54:54] | fryfrog: | you can make a serial ir reciever for a few bucks from what i hear |
| [17:54:56] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, just for fun, leave mythtv-setup and restart it as root |
| [17:55:01] | fryfrog: | i got all the parts but never made one :) |
| [17:55:02] | iamlindoro_: | then try your scan |
| [17:55:12] | squidly: | fryfrog: I dont wanna deak with making a IR reciever |
| [17:55:19] | fryfrog: | i didn't either :) |
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| [17:55:25] | squidly: | though I would like a Harmony Reciever |
| [17:55:28] | fryfrog: | the harmony remotes are not really myth related |
| [17:55:33] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: OK :) |
| [17:55:36] | ali1234: | squidly: avoid any remote that requires you to use lirc. instead just buy a MCE one if you can afford it. |
| [17:55:38] | fryfrog: | it just controls *everything* in a very intelligent way |
| [17:55:52] | squidly: | ali1234: why? |
| [17:55:52] | fryfrog: | how do you avoid lirc? |
| [17:56:04] | fryfrog: | lirc can be annoying, but it isn't *that* bad |
| [17:56:06] | squidly: | with any IR reciever you have to use lirc |
| [17:56:23] | ali1234: | ok. just get any remote control that is designed for use with a PC. the chances are it will identify as a evdev keyboard and "just work" |
| [17:56:32] | fryfrog: | ahhh |
| [17:56:55] | fryfrog: | a harmony remote would work with any IR reciever |
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| [17:57:07] | ali1234: | if you run into the problem where mythtv can't detect the multimedia keys properly, just hack the kernel driver to change what keycodes it sends. trust me, this is the easiest way. |
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| [17:57:10] | fryfrog: | course, i dunno where you get an "evdev" reciever w/o a remote :) |
| [17:57:28] | squidly: | fryfrog: lol |
| [17:57:55] | ali1234: | well you could buy an infrared wireless keyboard and program your learning remote with the keyboard codes |
| [17:58:09] | ali1234: | but really, if you are gonna buy something, buy something that just works... |
| [17:58:09] | fryfrog: | ah, a good idea! |
| [17:58:21] | fryfrog: | then you end up with a wireless keyboard *and* remote, if you want |
| [17:58:32] | squidly: | I dont wanna use a keyboard... I just want a REMOTE |
| [17:58:36] | Dabian: | same thing |
| [17:58:40] | Dabian: | cannot open card |
| [17:58:49] | squidly: | and expeically if my friends come over.. |
| [17:59:04] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: I wonder if i lack something in /dev for the tuner? |
| [17:59:33] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: IT cannot even open card when scanning for channels as root. |
| [17:59:37] | fryfrog: | squidly: of course a remote, but he was saying, get an ir *keyboard* and a universal remote. teach the remote the keyboard's commands |
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| [17:59:50] | fryfrog: | then, you have a keyboard for when you need it... and a remote for 98% of the time |
| [17:59:59] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, are you *sure* you set it up as the right card type/name? |
| [18:00:01] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: Then it says "programmer error .. see console" |
| [18:00:02] | squidly: | fryfrog: hmm that is an idea |
| [18:00:05] | ali1234: | the problem with that is that you normally end up with a remote control that has a range of about 1 meter |
| [18:00:08] | squidly: | but too much work :P |
| [18:00:22] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: mpeg2 ... x50 pvr500 ? |
| [18:00:30] | fryfrog: | ali1234: why only 3 feet? |
| [18:00:39] | fryfrog: | do the ir kb suck? |
| [18:00:42] | iamlindoro_: | And it autodetected the right device, ie /dev/video0? |
| [18:01:11] | iamlindoro_: | also, since it told you to see console output, you should probably look at that |
| [18:01:16] | ali1234: | because even programmable remotes still have a fixed frequency... if it doesn't match the kb frequency, the range will suck. and there's no way to know if it will work without spending days trying it |
| [18:01:25] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: there are no console output |
| [18:01:37] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: I assume gutsy is "kind enough" to hide it from me ... |
| [18:02:12] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, probably... Are you running setup from a graphical shortcut, or from the terminal? |
| [18:02:35] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: A fun thing is ... when I enter the channel scanner .. it doesn't list my card .. the drop down is empty |
| [18:02:47] | Dabian: | from the terminal |
| [18:02:50] | iamlindoro_: | Well if it can't open the card it would be |
| [18:02:56] | squidly: | fryfrog: ali1234 i think i'm just going to get my hands on a pvr-500 mce with remote |
| [18:03:05] | iamlindoro_: | Hrm... dunno how to sidestep Ubuntu's "user-friendliness" |
| [18:03:12] | iamlindoro_: | Isn't ease-of-use AWESOME??? |
| [18:03:21] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: But I tried "cat /dev/video0" just before I started it |
| [18:03:24] | ali1234: | actually, yes |
| [18:03:34] | Dabian: | to make sure there was access to the device. |
| [18:03:35] | fryfrog: | squidly: that is basically what i did |
| [18:03:48] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: Ease-of-use is great when everything works :) |
| [18:03:53] | fryfrog: | squidly: my PVR 250s and air2pc cards game with remote, so i used the serial dongle in that with my harmony |
| [18:04:04] | directhex: | Dabian, if you're still running "cat", then the device won't be accessib;e by anything else |
| [18:04:07] | squidly: | fryfrog: cool |
| [18:04:15] | iamlindoro_: | I totally agree, but when an attempt at ease-of-use fails and prevents you from getting diagnostic info, It falls down :) |
| [18:04:18] | squidly: | I think the 500 comes wiht some plugin |
| [18:04:24] | Dabian: | directhex: I control-c'ed it before starting mythtv-setup of course :) |
| [18:04:41] | fryfrog: | squidly: think it comes with a USB ir |
| [18:04:48] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: mythtv-setup is really a perlscript right? |
| [18:04:51] | fryfrog: | the dude i traded 2x pvr250s to wanted to keep his |
| [18:04:51] | squidly: | fryfrog: that works for me :D |
| [18:05:16] | iamlindoro_: | No, it's compiled |
| [18:05:27] | ali1234: | iamlindoro_: precisely what diagnostic is it that you think you are being denied? |
| [18:05:31] | fryfrog: | so... is anyone who is using lirc/serial know how to make it not so damn slow to respond? |
| [18:05:32] | iamlindoro_: | You might try invoking it as /usr/bin/mythtv-setup |
| [18:05:35] | fryfrog: | the kb is obviously real time |
| [18:05:38] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: maybe I am can find something like that. |
| [18:05:40] | fryfrog: | but the remote just feels... slow |
| [18:05:47] | fryfrog: | like, usually 1s or so |
| [18:05:52] | ali1234: | fryfrog: that's the range thing |
| [18:05:53] | squidly: | I kinda wish they had pci-e cards though.. its geting nearly impossible to find a mobo with more then one PCI slot |
| [18:06:06] | ali1234: | fryfrog: either get a different sensor or a different remote |
| [18:06:11] | iamlindoro_: | ali1234, he runs mythtv-setup and ubuntu runs its own mythtv-setup script that does nice things like stops the backend, etc... but prevents console output from mythtv-setup, whoops |
| [18:06:27] | ali1234: | so run mythtv-setup.real? |
| [18:06:37] | Dabian: | ahhh |
| [18:06:42] | fryfrog: | ali1234: it has plenty of range and works fine, even when aimed at walls and such? |
| [18:06:47] | fryfrog: | so why would it be slow? |
| [18:07:10] | iamlindoro_: | ali1234, hey, I dunno where ubuntu puts their crap ;) My box *works* |
| [18:08:06] | ali1234: | fryfrog: because your remote frequency does not match the recievers. that can lead to reduced range or just the IR equivalent of dropped packets |
| [18:08:23] | fryfrog: | ahhh |
| [18:08:56] | seth|web: | hey fryfrog , you use a Harmony remote emulating a MCE remote? |
| [18:09:10] | fryfrog: | no, emulating a pvr350s remote |
| [18:09:19] | fryfrog: | maybe if i emulated a diff remote ali1234? |
| [18:09:32] | ali1234: | maybe, maybe not |
| [18:09:45] | ali1234: | i'm guessing not |
| [18:09:46] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [18:09:54] | fryfrog: | i wonder how i could find the freq of my remote |
| [18:10:01] | fryfrog: | i doubt i can for the dongle, it looks almost home made :p |
| [18:10:02] | seth|web: | i use the harmony emulating mce remote, and my blaster does a dish network 301, and it is pretty quick |
| [18:10:08] | ali1234: | take it apart and look at the chips, then google for datasheets |
| [18:10:31] | fryfrog: | seth|web: do you have an MCE reciever? |
| [18:10:47] | seth|web: | yes |
| [18:11:08] | fryfrog: | i wonder if you can order those somewhere |
| [18:11:10] | seth|web: | i just got another one actually, that I do not use |
| [18:11:10] | fryfrog: | is it usb? |
| [18:11:14] | seth|web: | yes |
| [18:11:24] | fryfrog: | come with any sort of extension cable? |
| [18:11:34] | fryfrog: | and are you using lirc? |
| [18:11:37] | seth|web: | no just the standard 4 ft or whatever it has |
| [18:11:44] | seth|web: | yes lirc |
| [18:11:52] | fryfrog: | oh, nice |
| [18:12:06] | fryfrog: | i was thinking it'd be like a usb flash drive (an inch, with plug built in) |
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| [18:12:35] | seth|web: | i have two of them now, ny hp laptop just came with another one, and a remote |
| [18:12:41] | Andycass1: | How do i run mythbackend automatically? |
| [18:12:45] | fryfrog: | wanna sell it? |
| [18:13:05] | seth|web: | sell it, I got it for free, you want it you can have it |
| [18:13:29] | fryfrog: | i'll pay ya for it, you "paid" for it when you bought your laptop :) |
| [18:13:43] | seth|web: | how about shipping costs |
| [18:14:00] | seth|web: | you want the remote too? |
| [18:14:10] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: It complains about a socket it cannot connect to .. and a directory that doesn't exist. |
| [18:14:24] | fryfrog: | if you don't have ause for the remote, i could maybe at least use it for learning/debugging/testing |
| [18:14:33] | iamlindoro_: | So you probably out to pastebin that |
| [18:14:34] | seth|web: | sure |
| [18:14:48] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: and something about lirc |
| [18:14:50] | iamlindoro_: | er ought |
| [18:14:59] | Dabian: | how do I do that? |
| [18:15:17] | iamlindoro_: | cut and paste the output to pastebin.ca and post the link here |
| [18:15:20] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: The keyboard is out of order when I finnished running mythtv-setup |
| [18:15:41] | iamlindoro_: | Well your MOUSe works, right? |
| [18:15:53] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: Can I do "mythtv-setup.real 2>&1 > blabla.txt" or similar? |
| [18:16:07] | iamlindoro_: | You can also do that |
| [18:16:10] | Dabian: | ahh .. I can open the browser first |
| [18:16:18] | seth|web: | yeah fryfrog , i don't need it the second frontend uses an ati remote wonder and the third frontend is an xbox w/ dvd remote, my wife was actually going to pitch it, but I took it down to my office, I have np use for it |
| [18:16:18] | Dabian: | is it &1 or &0 ? |
| [18:16:48] | iamlindoro_: | don't need that just > blah.txt will be fine |
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| [18:20:01] | Andycass1: | Does this line work for mythbackend auto start: "sleep 10 && mythbackend > /tmp/mythbackend.log 2>&1 &" |
| [18:20:34] | fryfrog: | "mythbackend -v important -l /var/log/mythbackend.log" |
| [18:20:40] | Dabian: | http://pastebin.ca/784437 |
| [18:20:46] | fryfrog: | you shouldn't need the & and why do you "sleep 10"? |
| [18:20:51] | fryfrog: | also, why not use an init script? |
| [18:21:42] | iamlindoro_: | Well, the failed device things are just sloppy setup in your xorg.conf |
| [18:22:04] | Andycass1: | fryfrog, i got this script from another website, but it was for frontend |
| [18:22:09] | Andycass1: | I just swapped front with back |
| [18:22:30] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: So you need me to paste the thing in the file? |
| [18:22:41] | Andycass1: | fryfrog, should I add your line to gnomerc? |
| [18:22:48] | fryfrog: | Andycass1: you distro should have an init script, don't fuck around with that shit |
| [18:22:50] | iamlindoro_: | If there is more there, yes... I want to see console output when it says "programmer error" |
| [18:22:52] | fryfrog: | no, not at all |
| [18:23:01] | fryfrog: | Andycass1: what distro, how are you installing myth, etc? |
| [18:23:15] | Andycass1: | fryfrog: ubuntu 7.10, compiled svn |
| [18:23:31] | fryfrog: | anyone using a harmony remote with a rear proj tv? |
| [18:23:43] | fryfrog: | Andycass1: svn fixes or trunk? |
| [18:23:50] | Andycass1: | trunk |
| [18:24:15] | ali1234: | Andycass1: ubuntu starts the backend automatically |
| [18:24:21] | fryfrog: | Andycass1: if I were you, I'd grab the .deb's for Ubuntu |
| [18:24:29] | fryfrog: | steal the init scripts from it |
| [18:24:31] | fryfrog: | use that |
| [18:24:39] | ali1234: | meh. even if you dont, just modify their initscript a tiny bit and you are sorted |
| [18:24:59] | fryfrog: | also, in contrib there are some init scripts |
| [18:25:16] | fryfrog: | grab, as in get but don't install the debs :) |
| [18:25:16] | Dabian: | http://pastebin.ca/784447 |
| [18:25:20] | fryfrog: | just untar em |
| [18:25:22] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: http://pastebin.ca/784447 |
| [18:25:29] | ali1234: | in fact you should be able to get away with just installing both the deb, and your self compiled into /usr/local/ and then just make sure the system path looks in /usr/local first |
| [18:25:49] | iamlindoro_: | Hrm, nothing there at *all* when the open card fails?? |
| [18:25:50] | fryfrog: | blech, bad idea imho :( |
| [18:25:55] | fryfrog: | makes trouble shooting a huge pita |
| [18:25:58] | Andycass1: | Meh, isnt there a simple line i could put somewhere? |
| [18:26:01] | iamlindoro_: | you may want to runn mythtv-setup with -v all and pastebin output again |
| [18:26:14] | fryfrog: | Andycass1: you really should let your init handle startup/restart/shutdown |
| [18:26:16] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: ok |
| [18:26:21] | fryfrog: | so it comes up at boot, goes down at shutdown, etc |
| [18:26:36] | fryfrog: | if you put it in gnomerc, what happens when you log in/out? |
| [18:26:43] | fryfrog: | does it kill mythbackend, then start it again? |
| [18:26:47] | fryfrog: | does it fire up a 2nd instance? |
| [18:26:54] | fryfrog: | either way, it is lameness |
| [18:26:56] | Andycass1: | Umm no idea |
| [18:27:10] | fryfrog: | use the init script in contrib of svn or get the init script from ubuntu |
| [18:27:19] | fryfrog: | here, i'll make it available so you don't have to do any work :) |
| [18:28:07] | fryfrog: | fryfrog.com/files/mythtv-backend |
| [18:28:42] | fryfrog: | stick that in /etc/init.d/ then use update-rc.d to enable it |
| [18:31:45] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: http://pastebin.ca/784447 |
| [18:31:56] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: Sorry |
| [18:32:04] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: http://pastebin.ca/784456 |
| [18:32:14] | Andycass1: | fryfrog: I already had this file in init.d, how to i use the update-rc.d to enable it? |
| [18:32:26] | fryfrog: | er |
| [18:32:31] | fryfrog: | man update-rc.d :) |
| [18:32:39] | ali1234: | Andycass1: then you have install the ubuntu deb already, and therefore that file is already enabled |
| [18:32:39] | fryfrog: | if it was already there, it may already be starting |
| [18:32:48] | fryfrog: | which... yeah |
| [18:32:52] | Andycass1: | No it doesnt |
| [18:33:10] | Andycass1: | I did install the deb, but uninstalled it and installed the svn later.. |
| [18:33:23] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [18:33:32] | fryfrog: | you'll need to man update-rc.d or actually |
| [18:33:37] | fryfrog: | in ubuntu, i think there is... |
| [18:33:57] | fryfrog: | System, Administration, Services |
| [18:35:12] | Dabian: | 2007-11–19 19:28:10.351 SWizScan: scan(): type(0) src(0) cardid(0) |
| [18:35:12] | Dabian: | 2007-11–19 19:28:10.351 SWizScan, Error: scan(): type(0) src(0) cardid(0) not handled |
| [18:35:29] | Dabian: | I guess thats the important part? |
| [18:35:51] | Andycass1: | so ill do "update-rc.d mythtv-backend defaults" |
| [18:35:58] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, I'm almost *certain* you have configured something wrong here... I would go back, remove all capture cards, and start again... Make sure it autodetects the dev node, with card type MPEG-2 encoder card |
| [18:36:08] | fryfrog: | did you try the gui version? |
| [18:36:11] | fryfrog: | i suck at update-rc.d :) |
| [18:36:18] | fryfrog: | i'm used to chkinit on redhat |
| [18:36:22] | fryfrog: | chk...something |
| [18:36:28] | fryfrog: | chkconfig |
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| [18:37:10] | Andycass1: | Ok I did this command and it told me that the system startup links for /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend already exist |
| [18:37:26] | Andycass1: | Though it doesnt run at startup :/ |
| [18:38:31] | Dabian: | What do I set frequence table to? Europe-west, right? |
| [18:38:47] | iamlindoro_: | I have no idea, you're on your own to figure that out |
| [18:39:03] | iamlindoro_: | But that's probable |
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| [18:39:27] | Andycass1: | I think I might have a wrong daemon path set... |
| [18:39:43] | Andycass1: | It points to /usr/bin .. but my myth is in usr/local/bin |
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| [18:42:19] | fryfrog: | Andycass1: I think you'll need to specify run levels to start it in |
| [18:42:26] | fryfrog: | 3 and 5 would be the right ones, usually |
| [18:42:37] | fryfrog: | off in 1246 |
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| [18:43:46] | Andycass1: | fryfrog: sorry, but where do i specify them? |
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| [18:44:26] | fryfrog: | man update-rc.d |
| [18:44:30] | fryfrog: | it mentioned something about run levels |
| [18:44:35] | fryfrog: | but why not try the GUI i mentioned? |
| [18:44:41] | fryfrog: | System, Administration, Services |
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| [18:49:16] | Andycass1: | fryfrog: Cant see backend under System, Administration, Service |
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| [18:49:26] | fryfrog: | ah, that'd do it :/ |
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| [18:52:17] | Andycass1: | Hm? |
| [18:54:07] | fryfrog: | why you didn't use that |
| [18:55:20] | Andycass1: | Use what? I couldnt see backend under services |
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| [18:56:12] | Andycass1: | There are only some services such as apache, printer, power management etc... but no backend |
| [18:56:15] | fryfrog: | right, i was saying "ah, that would be why you didn't use the gui tool i pointed out" |
| [18:56:42] | fryfrog: | i found it on my ubuntu system here at work, which doesn't have myth on it. i assumed/hoped yours would :) |
| [18:56:57] | Andycass1: | Oh |
| [18:57:12] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: It does have /dev/video0 |
| [18:57:20] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: But I agree that something is wrong. |
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| [18:57:30] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: I just down have a clue what it is. |
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| [18:59:59] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, I just don't know, Perhaps someone with a PVR-350 will know something that I am missing |
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| [19:03:39] | Dabian: | iamlindoro: Maybe I just tell my friend I am going to buy a PVR-500 instead? Or is something better with the PVR-350? |
| [19:03:56] | godzirra: | So can anyone help me get my remote buttons working right? Channel changing doesnt work with the up/down arrows, and I'd like to know how to program the other buttons on the remote that are currently not in use. |
| [19:04:10] | iamlindoro_: | many things are better than the 350--- like the 150 and 500 :) |
| [19:04:32] | Dabian: | How are they better? The 150 is actually cheaper than the 350 |
| [19:05:19] | iamlindoro_: | among other things, better support for working out of the box and ongoing support, versus the 350 whose support is gradually degrading |
| [19:05:45] | Dabian: | Whats support in this connection? |
| [19:06:12] | iamlindoro_: | huh? |
| [19:06:47] | Dabian: | What do you mean support is degrading? |
| [19:06:53] | Dabian: | (I'm not native english) |
| [19:07:27] | iamlindoro_: | Fewer and fewer people have them, the TV out sucks, etc. |
| [19:08:28] | Dabian: | Oh .. I dont use the TV out :) |
| [19:08:37] | iamlindoro_: | And my understanding is that support for those features may disappear altogether at some point |
| [19:08:40] | directhex: | nobody cares about supporting the special features of the 350 anymore |
| [19:09:06] | Dabian: | I get it cheaper than the 150 .. because its a used card |
| [19:09:31] | GreyFoxx: | If you can get a 350 cheaper than a 150, you should get the 350 |
| [19:09:40] | GreyFoxx: | just don't bother with the tvout portion |
| [19:09:47] | GreyFoxx: | at least I wouldn't bother with it |
| [19:09:56] | Dabian: | Don't have a telly anyhow :) |
| [19:10:49] | Dabian: | Just going to view the stuff on my good ole SyncMaster 959nf :) |
| [19:11:03] | Dabian: | (CRT monitor) |
| [19:11:34] | Dabian: | $ tvtime-scanner |
| [19:11:34] | Dabian: | Reading configuration from /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml |
| [19:11:34] | Dabian: | Scanning using TV standard PAL. |
| [19:11:34] | Dabian: | videoinput: Card failed to allocate capture buffers: Invalid argument |
| [19:11:59] | iamlindoro_: | Dabian, as we said before, tvtime doesn't support ivtv |
| [19:12:03] | Dabian: | right |
| [19:12:08] | Dabian: | seems the scanner doesn't either. |
| [19:13:49] | Dabian: | Is there a way to manipulate the tuner to see if its possible to change frequency? |
| [19:14:17] | iamlindoro_: | ivtvtune |
| [19:14:34] | iamlindoro_: | er, ivtv-tune, that is |
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| [19:19:36] | Tall-guy: | ok, I've got a bit of a "soft" opinion question, If I go HDTV...how BAD will HDTV signals , recorded at "non-hdtv" quality on my hauppage 350...look on a 1080p screen? |
| [19:21:03] | anykey_: | very bad |
| [19:22:05] | Tall-guy: | :) |
| [19:22:35] | kormoc: | Tall-guy, they won't record at all |
| [19:23:33] | kormoc: | the pvr 350 is analog only, HD is digital, and thus won't record at all on that card without you down sampling it before it gets to the card |
| [19:23:49] | Tall-guy: | well, lets just assume I can get the HDTV downconverted to RCA inputs or something...(and yeah, I realize thats' no longer an HDTV signal)...I just have no IDEA how "bad" regular signals look on an HDTV screen |
| [19:24:08] | hjohnson: | pretty bad. |
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| [19:25:41] | Tall-guy: | So, I either gotta junk my myth...and go with the providers pvr....or get some new HDTV cards for the mythbox I guess hey? |
| [19:28:59] | Dabian: | Hmm .. it seems outputting PVR350 to compiz might not be supported. |
| [19:29:05] | justinh: | Tall-guy: well, signals downconverted to SDTV from HDTV will likely look a little better than SDTV sources alone, but scaling em up to 1080 again is pretty futile |
| [19:29:25] | justinh: | Dabian: if I were you I'd forget all about using the pvr350 output altogether |
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| [19:29:37] | justinh: | they're only good for mpeg2 SDTV anyway |
| [19:29:48] | hjohnson: | Tall-guy: that or use an STB with a 1394 output. |
| [19:30:03] | hjohnson: | Tall-guy: though of course, you run into the issue of the 5c flag. |
| [19:30:20] | Dabian: | justinh : I want to use it with my Nvidia 7900glx |
| [19:30:35] | Tall-guy: | ah...firewire...never even thought of that.... |
| [19:30:36] | Dabian: | justinh : The tv-out has no interest, since I dont own a telly. |
| [19:31:02] | Tall-guy: | my mythtpvr is a bit underpowered to use onboard vid....which is why I went with the haupp.... |
| [19:31:15] | hjohnson: | Tall-guy: problem is that a fair bit of HD content is locked down using the 5C flag, so you can't record it. |
| [19:31:19] | Dabian: | mythpvr? |
| [19:31:46] | Tall-guy: | mythpvr...the box that is running myth...... |
| [19:32:10] | alekibango: | hello, what should i do if i need to be able to record multiple streams from one multiplex ? should i use mythtv-multirec branch from svn? will it work? |
| [19:32:17] | kormoc_: | hjohnson, depending on your area |
| [19:32:25] | hjohnson: | kormoc_: true |
| [19:32:29] | GreyFoxx: | alekibango:multirec is what you want |
| [19:32:37] | GreyFoxx: | I've been happily using it for a while |
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| [19:32:46] | alekibango: | thanks Greyfox |
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| [19:33:06] | alekibango: | multirec is working well in kaffeine :D |
| [19:33:08] | alekibango: | :D |
| [19:33:33] | alekibango: | why it is not included in default mythtv ? |
| [19:34:24] | GreyFoxx: | Likely still some stuff the guys working on it want to finish before merging it back into trunk |
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| [19:34:39] | alekibango: | i hope it could come soon |
| [19:35:11] | GreyFoxx: | I don't see much in the way of bug reports about it, so it nmight be close to ready |
| [19:35:32] | alekibango: | thanks a lot, foxx |
| [19:35:38] | GreyFoxx: | I've been using it without any problem for a couple months. 5–8 concurrent recordings off the one card |
| [19:35:59] | alekibango: | good |
| [19:36:19] | GreyFoxx: | though I had to edit the source to allow. the default was 5 max but I upped it to 8 |
| [19:36:19] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, shame the multiplexes off my QAM cable are one decent channel + several crap :) |
| [19:36:40] | alekibango: | there is only crap imho in mass media |
| [19:36:43] | GreyFoxx: | The 8 channels I record that have 90% of the shows I record are all on the same multiplex :) |
| [19:36:58] | GreyFoxx: | so I just have those 8 channels setup in myth :) |
| [19:37:01] | iamlindoro_: | Nice |
| [19:37:12] | GreyFoxx: | On that video source anyway |
| [19:37:20] | GreyFoxx: | and the pvr cards, and firewire gets everything else |
| [19:40:14] | ** justinh needs funds to buy more HDD in readiness for multirec ** | |
| [19:41:03] | Tall-guy: | greyfoxx: what card u using for "5–8 concurrent recordings off the one card" ? |
| [19:41:04] | justinh: | hmm with 3 tuners I might be able to record 18 channels at the same time. there arent enough hours in the year to watch that lot |
| [19:41:22] | GreyFoxx: | Tall-guy: Avermedia A180, QAM signal |
| [19:42:18] | justinh: | Tall-guy: AFAIK only a few tuners will give problems with multirec, and possibly those with CA modules for pay tv (depends on the CA etc though) |
| [19:42:37] | Tall-guy: | kewl.... |
| [19:43:31] | justinh: | the true test of my (never had any problems with yet) Via chipset board would be hitting it with a maximum of 20 shows being recorded simultaneously :P |
| [19:44:14] | alekibango: | get external fan like i did |
| [19:44:17] | justinh: | my recordings store is terribly fragmented though – gonna have to fix that soon |
| [19:44:20] | alekibango: | 17'' fan |
| [19:44:28] | alekibango: | to cool it down |
| [19:44:30] | alekibango: | lol |
| [19:45:17] | Tall-guy: | So, my cable co sells digital cable and analog cable....(i'm currently analog)...if I go with digital cable...they "rent" me a box..Motorola DCT6412 type)...would an Avermedia type card "work" ? |
| [19:45:42] | justinh: | Tall-guy: depends on a) whether they're in QAM or not and b) if they're encrippled or not |
| [19:45:42] | GreyFoxx: | Tall-guy: The avermedia card connects directly to the incoming coax, not to a settop box |
| [19:46:23] | GreyFoxx: | If you are in NA you can assume QAM, but what channels they will have unencrypted is a crapshoot and the one way for you to find out is to try |
| [19:47:31] | Tall-guy: | greyfoxx: yeah, spose thats best: ) |
| [19:47:44] | GreyFoxx: | I took the chance and got lucky :) |
| [19:47:49] | Tall-guy: | heheh....where in NA are u? |
| [19:48:08] | GreyFoxx: | that motorola box will have firewire out. so you might be able to get some off there too, but again it's a crapshoot |
| [19:48:17] | GreyFoxx: | Tall-guy: Nova Scotia, canada |
| [19:48:21] | Tall-guy: | greyfox: Sask. |
| [19:48:27] | Tall-guy: | (go riders!) |
| [19:53:18] | darkwizard: | is there themes for myth |
| [19:53:35] | darkwizard: | any others besides ones came with it |
| [19:54:15] | GreyFoxx: | there are packages that come with the base myth, and 2 seperate branches for them in svn |
| [19:54:20] | GreyFoxx: | so there are several |
| [19:54:37] | darkwizard: | there 6 |
| [19:54:59] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Themes |
| [19:56:13] | j2__: | Can someonr provide me with a cheap source of a USB IR Receiver within the EEC? |
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| [19:57:46] | Tall-guy: | greyfoxx: that a180 does 1080i max right? |
| [19:57:56] | darkwizard: | greyfoxx i like Metallurgy |
| [20:00:16] | GreyFoxx: | Tall-guy: the a180 really doesn't care what resolution it is. It has no hand in encoding or playing it back |
| [20:00:35] | Dabian: | j2__ : What do you mean by "cheap source" ? |
| [20:00:44] | GreyFoxx: | It just reads the digitital mpeg signal off the wire and passes it to the application |
| [20:01:02] | GreyFoxx: | It's already and mpegstream when it's sent out by the cableco |
| [20:01:21] | j2__: | Dav |
| [20:01:36] | j2__: | Dabian: Dont know.. €20–30 with shipping? |
| [20:02:09] | Dabian: | j2__ : You mean dealer? |
| [20:02:10] | Tall-guy: | greyfox: gotcha. |
| [20:02:22] | Dabian: | j2__ : dealer/pusher/supplier .. whatever the right word is. |
| [20:03:02] | j2__: | Yeah, retailer. |
| [20:03:06] | Dabian: | j2__ : You know .. "source" is short for "source code" usually, which means code that can compile into programmes. |
| [20:03:39] | Dabian: | j2__ : I might check ebay, if I were you. |
| [20:03:42] | j2__: | Dabian: Uhm.... yeah... Youäre right, that migth not have been a great choise of word :) |
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| [20:05:22] | Dabian: | j2__ :) |
| [20:05:43] | Dabian: | j2__ : Do you use the word in Sweden? |
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| [20:05:54] | j2__: | Hmmmm hang on... I am reading a bit ... and am I right in assuming that _most_ "Windows MCE USB controllers" would be supported? |
| [20:07:20] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [20:07:40] | GreyFoxx: | I have a MCE remote and it works amazingly well |
| [20:07:48] | GreyFoxx: | using the info in the wiki I had mine up in under 5 minutes |
| [20:07:52] | j2__: | In that case, i dont really have a problem, because those things are about €20 "anywhere" over here. |
| [20:07:56] | seth|web: | yeah they work pretty much OTB |
| [20:08:38] | j2__: | Because i am now giving up on the receiver in my Fusion V2 (Imon PAD, aparently with "on board decoder") |
| [20:09:56] | jams: | yeah that onboard decoder means imon only works with imon |
| [20:10:49] | j2__: | jams: Well, i have a harmony 895, but, even if i stick a "Imon PAD" profile on it. I can not get lirc to "respond". |
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| [20:30:33] | iamlindoro_: | j2, fusion black or silver? |
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| [20:53:54] | Dabian: | Isn't this channel logged somewhere? |
| [20:54:40] | jams: | yes it is |
| [20:54:58] | justinh: | see the topic |
| [20:55:20] | justinh: | hmm or is it the joining message? probably the latter |
| [20:55:46] | ** justinh smacks minimyth. BAD minimyth ** | |
| [20:55:50] | jams: | http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/history |
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| [20:55:57] | justinh: | can't seem to stop it loading plugins I don't use |
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| [20:57:21] | fysa: | anyone want to buy a Fusion 5 Gold? :P |
| [20:57:32] | fysa: | wait. maybe not a 5. I don't remember. |
| [20:57:37] | fysa: | Fusion 3? :P |
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| [21:00:33] | justinh: | ach well. won't have much longer to put up with this crap |
| [21:01:01] | justinh: | just remind me wtf the point is, of having config variables if you're going to ignore them anyway? |
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| [21:08:37] | j2__: | iamlindoro: sorry, i handled laundry. I have a silver V2. |
| [21:09:18] | iamlindoro_: | Ah... Hmm, I've made the Black work before through a "forked" version of lcdproc/lirc, but I had thought the silver was supposed to be supported out of the box |
| [21:09:41] | iamlindoro_: | by forked I mean stolen by the LCD company and randomly renamed and only including their driver :) |
| [21:09:44] | j2__: | iamlindoro: I am not getting any errors.. but not any results either. |
| [21:09:48] | iamlindoro_: | hrm |
| [21:09:58] | j2__: | Oh, the VFD works. Its the IR Receiver thay doesnt. |
| [21:10:23] | iamlindoro_: | Weird. Well I'll be no help, was just curious... had it been the black I would have pointed you at the code I used |
| [21:18:04] | j2__: | Well, i suppose i COULD use the "Maximum overkill" version of IR-control :) |
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| [21:28:04] | justinh: | gah I give up with trying to disable mythgame, mythlame(mythstream) and mythweather |
| [21:29:01] | justinh: | hmm I could always unpick the rootfs image & wrangle it so it doesn't look for mythgame etc |
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| [22:08:43] | klpt: | anybody know how to run a smaller desktop within a set of video timings? |
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| [22:30:20] | klpt: | anyone know if I can use nvidia metamodes to display a smaller viewport while maintaining the same set of video timings? |
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| [23:02:15] | cMh: | I'm in the process of building a MythTV box, can anyone reccomend a good video capture card?(possibly one that i could use on a windows box if need be) |
| [23:02:33] | iamlindoro_: | That's a wide open question... SD or HD? US or otherwise? |
| [23:02:47] | iamlindoro_: | and regardless of those facts, you'll STILL get a lot of answers :) |
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| [23:03:11] | iamlindoro_: | But for a basic, analog SD US card, many/most people use Hauppauge PVR-150s and 500s |
| [23:05:28] | cMh: | Well its going to be connected to a 22'' LCD computer monitor that i dont think is HD compliant, and i have heard good things about Hauppaunge |
| [23:05:44] | iamlindoro_: | Yup, probably the most commonly used cards |
| [23:06:22] | cMh: | awesome thanks i'm gonna do some research on those models, thanks again :) |
| [23:06:23] | iamlindoro_: | If it's a computer monitor, as long as it's 1280x720 or so, I'm sure you could output HD content on it, btw... On linux you don't need HDCP or anything |
| [23:07:30] | iamlindoro_: | But that's output and not input, of course. For basic, standard def TV capture, look at the two I mentioned |
| [23:07:43] | cMh: | yeah thats what i was not sure of, if HDCP was required |
| [23:07:52] | iamlindoro_: | Nope, ewwwwwwww |
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| [23:08:10] | iamlindoro_: | Very very anti the whole idea of myth, which is to control your own content :) |
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| [23:10:39] | cMh: | thats exactly what i want in a media center, i was using front row in OS X attached to a samba server for viewing my media. Its time to upgrade and add support for PVR and TV functionality |
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| [23:12:09] | directhex: | a 22" lcd will be 1680x1050 if it's decent, or 1440x900 if it's cheap |
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| [23:12:22] | directhex: | both ae greater than the minimum for HD (1280x720) |
| [23:12:28] | iamlindoro_: | And either way, you'll be able to put 720p on it :) |
| [23:12:55] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, I have a 32" in the bedroom that's 1368x720... It's cheap but she works :) |
| [23:14:43] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, I remember the first time I got my HD 5000 set up on my LCD monitor... It was a "dayummmm!" moment. Now, compared to my 1080p projector, I just look at it and go... "Meh." |
| [23:15:14] | bsdfox: | 1080p projector? I bet that put a dent in your wallet :) |
| [23:15:38] | iamlindoro_: | Not as bad as you might think. I got it imported from PriceJapan... paid about 2/3rds what it is in this country |
| [23:16:04] | iamlindoro_: | But yes, a dent nonetheless... but I was buying my condo so I had a certain amount of "decorating budget." |
| [23:16:17] | iamlindoro_: | Who needs a bed when you have a projector? |
| [23:17:13] | directhex: | me! |
| [23:17:18] | ** directhex is housebuying right now ** | |
| [23:17:50] | iamlindoro_: | Heh |
| [23:20:30] | iamlindoro_: | It's stressful |
| [23:20:41] | Kazan: | so help me.. i'm going to KILL the person doing mythweather revamp |
| [23:20:51] | Kazan: | to define sources to must define screens, but those screens require the sources |
| [23:20:55] | Kazan: | circular requirements! |
| [23:21:02] | iamlindoro_: | I love house projects, though... Love breaking things down and running wires in walls and all that |
| [23:21:14] | iamlindoro_: | Kazan, right there with you |
| [23:21:22] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, the place we're looking at is a leasehold, so questions over what i could or couldn't get away with |
| [23:21:50] | iamlindoro_: | Heh... my father always said "Better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission." ;) |
| [23:22:04] | Kazan: | should be simple 1) Define Data Source, your location, etc, 2) Setup Watch screens you want to see, 3) PRofit! |
| [23:24:18] | Kazan: | requires a bunch of perl modules that probably aren't installed |
| [23:24:21] | Kazan: | but it'll still build |
| [23:24:24] | Kazan: | um... CHANGE CONFINGURE |
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| [23:29:27] | gogzmer: | Hello, I am having trouble getting mythtv to work on Ubuntu 7.10. After following a number of HOWTOs, I always end up in the same spot. When I try to "watch live tv", all I get is a black screen. |
| [23:30:12] | gogzmer: | any ideas on where to start? |
| [23:30:16] | iamlindoro_: | You're going to need to show logs for anyone to help you |
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| [23:30:27] | gogzmer: | The vid. capture card I am using is a Hauppage 500 |
| [23:30:32] | gogzmer: | which logs? |
| [23:30:36] | iamlindoro_: | frontend and backend |
| [23:31:02] | iamlindoro_: | output of mythfrontend from console, as well as your mythbackend log, which, since you are probably using ubuntu packages, is probably at /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [23:33:30] | gogzmer: | front end log: http://pastebin.ca/784984 |
| [23:34:16] | gogzmer: | back end log: http://pastebin.ca/784985 |
| [23:35:04] | iamlindoro_: | Well, look at the end of your backend log |
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| [23:35:20] | iamlindoro_: | What did you set your card up as in mythtv-setup? Card type, that is |
| [23:35:27] | iamlindoro_: | as v4l, or as Mpeg-2 Encoder Card? |
| [23:35:54] | gogzmer: | I tried both v4l and Mpeg-2 |
| [23:35:59] | iamlindoro_: | OK, it should be mpeg-2 |
| [23:35:59] | gogzmer: | same results |
| [23:36:11] | iamlindoro_: | How did you install? via packages or source? |
| [23:36:17] | gogzmer: | packages |
| [23:36:58] | gogzmer: | using this tutorial: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php |
| [23:37:00] | iamlindoro_: | Did you mess around with the recording profiles at all? |
| [23:37:16] | gogzmer: | nope |
| [23:37:46] | iamlindoro_: | Your backend logs tell you to, why not try? |
| [23:38:04] | iamlindoro_: | Although it appears your card is NOT set up as mp2 encoder type, btw |
| [23:38:11] | gogzmer: | I can get MPlayer to clearly play the /dev/video1 interface no problem(can't change the chanel) but the video0 interface is garbled |
| [23:38:28] | iamlindoro_: | How many cards do you have? |
| [23:38:39] | iamlindoro_: | ah, 500, never mind |
| [23:38:41] | gogzmer: | 1 card...the pvr-500 has 2 tuners |
| [23:39:11] | iamlindoro_: | It's also showing ivtv has stopped responding |
| [23:39:22] | iamlindoro_: | so your problem is likely outside of myth |
| [23:39:28] | iamlindoro_: | What does dmesg say under ivtv? |
| [23:40:03] | gogzmer: | how would I find that out? |
| [23:40:48] | iamlindoro_: | by running dmesg and telling me what it says under ivtv? |
| [23:40:56] | iamlindoro_: | or, rather, pastebinning it |
| [23:41:13] | iamlindoro_: | Further, all of your error messages in the log ar googleable with good leads, ie http://threebit.net/mail-archive/mythtv-dev/msg00832.html |
| [23:41:13] | Kazan: | wtf.. cpan is unable to install some of the modules |
| [23:41:19] | Kazan: | Data::Dumper for example |
| [23:41:56] | Kazan: | [root@thorin mythplugins]# perl -MCPAN -e 'install Data::Dumper' |
| [23:41:56] | Kazan: | Can't locate object method "install" via package "Data::Dumper" at -e line 1. |
| [23:42:32] | gogzmer: | http://pastebin.ca/784997 |
| [23:43:04] | Kazan: | it doesn't even recognize Data::Manip! |
| [23:43:06] | dr_lulz: | Kazan: have you tried it via a cpan shell? |
| [23:43:54] | iamlindoro_: | gogzmer, if video1 works, and video0 does not, have you tried increasing input priority on that device so that it tries to open video1 for live tv? |
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| [23:44:19] | Kazan: | dr_lulz: no... forgot how to get into shell |
| [23:44:31] | ** Kazan doesn't use perl except for myth ** | |
| [23:44:53] | dr_lulz: | try "cpan" or perl -MCPAN -eshell |
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| [23:47:25] | Kazan: | it's working |
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| [23:48:12] | dr_lulz: | :) |
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| [23:48:22] | dr_lulz: | from the shell, or did you do something else? |
| [23:48:58] | Kazan: | weird |
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| [23:49:05] | Kazan: | LWP::Simple is installed |
| [23:49:07] | Kazan: | but... |
| [23:49:16] | Kazan: | Can't locate XML/Simple.pm in @INC |
| [23:49:35] | Kazan: | seperate module |
| [23:49:38] | Kazan: | XML::Simple :D |
| [23:50:27] | Kazan: | excellent.. thr script runs now |
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| [23:53:13] | AngryElf: | when I put "mythfrontend &" in .gnomerc myth starts up but w/o lirc working. If I close myth and immediately restart it my remote works — so I guess lirc isn't fully started befre .gnomerc kicks off myth — can anyone think of a workaround for this? |
| [23:53:57] | Kazan: | in KDE i just have it in my user's autostart instead of the rc |
| [23:54:32] | dr_lulz: | AngryElf: see in which runlevel lirc is started and possibly modify it? |
| [23:55:45] | gogzmer: | Ok, so forcing myth to use the 2nd tuner worked |
| [23:55:59] | iamlindoro_: | Then you probably have a card issue |
| [23:56:01] | gogzmer: | The quality is crap, but it works |
| [23:56:28] | Kazan: | this an IVTV card? |
| [23:56:40] | Kazan: | a pvr-500? |
| [23:56:41] | iamlindoro_: | Kazan, it's his PVR-500 |
| [23:56:42] | gogzmer: | it is a Hauppage pvr-500 |
| [23:56:47] | Kazan: | kernel version? |
| [23:56:52] | gogzmer: | ubuntu gutsy... |
| [23:56:58] | Kazan: | that tells me nothing |
| [23:56:59] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, 2.6.23 |
| [23:57:05] | iamlindoro_: | I assume he's stock |
| [23:57:09] | Kazan: | kk so kmods included in kernel |
| [23:57:17] | Kazan: | do you have the latest firmware? |
| [23:57:18] | gogzmer: | 2.6.22-14-generic |
| [23:57:27] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, my mistake |
| [23:57:41] | gogzmer: | I think I do, but I have never upgraded or done anything to the firmware of the card |
| [23:57:57] | iamlindoro_: | gogzmer, you don't write it to the card, it goes to /lib/firmware |
| [23:58:06] | Kazan: | http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware |
| [23:58:35] | Kazan: | old firmware = baaad |
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