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Saturday, November 17th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, no on/off switch right now... Adding something to the GUI may be beyond my meager coding ability

[00:00:49]

iamlindoro_:

But hey, for me, on all the time works... wouldn't work for everyone

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Create a ticket, attach your patch, adding a checkbox is simple, don't worry about it.

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin, Will put it through its paces for a few, will create a ticket w/ diff tonight

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iamlindoro_:

But for now, time to go home :)

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iamlindoro_:

Night all

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purserj:

okay I've hit a problem building svn, when I run make svn I get a cannot find /src/moc error

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** jams wonders if it's possible to add a background to the mythvideo filter screen **

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tcpsyn:

jams, ask justinh

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tcpsyn:

I'm sure it's just a well named .png in /usr/share/mythtv/themes

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** jams thinks it is not possible. **

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jams:

Anduin- do you know off the top of your head,if it's possible to add a backgroundimage to the myth video filter screen?

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Wickedboy:

hello everyone

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Wickedboy:

did anyone ever try to run a myth backend on a virtual xen domain ?

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tcpsyn:

did you ask that before?

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tcpsyn:

someone just asked last week

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H00chster:

don't see why it wouldn't work as long as it is ONLY a backend, you wouldn't be able to put tuners in it, don't think xen supports direct hardware access

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H00chster:

not that I have ever used xen so don't quote me on that! :)

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cmoates:

I think you can pass through PCI devices

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H00chster:

but I know that vmware and vserver etc don't

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tcpsyn:

there was a discussion about it.

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cmoates:

in xen

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tcpsyn:

it'd probably work, horribly.

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H00chster:

well there ya go

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H00chster:

cuz I have no clue heh

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cmoates:

xen is a lot better than vmware for performance

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cmoates:

but... I'd have to wonder why you'd do such a thing :)

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cmoates:

myth is pretty hungry

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tcpsyn:

yeah. and you wouldn't vmware myth

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Wickedboy:

isnt the big thing about xen that it can carry through hardware devices ?

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H00chster:

ya vmware sucks for performance I prefer linux-vserver but dunno which is better compared to xen on that

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H00chster:

but vserver doesn't do direct hw access

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Wickedboy:

sorry for my language – it's 1:30 am, and I'm tired ;)

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cmoates:

Wickedboy, there isn't a single "big thing" about xen

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cmoates:

but like I said, I'm pretty sure it can pass PCI devices through

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Wickedboy:

Yeah, but one of the big deals, compared to vmware

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cmoates:

Which would allow you access to the tuners and all, potentially

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cmoates:

But again, it's gonna toast your cpu

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Wickedboy:

At work we're using vmware esx server .. so I got courious about xen

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cmoates:

so what would you want to run alongside it that could cope with that?

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Wickedboy:

you mean replacing xen ?

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H00chster:

I personally on a side note to that don't find mythbackend that resource hungry. the frontends are depending on what you are doing

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Wickedboy:

or inside xen running at the same time ?

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cmoates:

H00chster, do you do any HD?

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H00chster:

yup

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cmoates:

SD is much better

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cmoates:

And when I think about it more, you might be right

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cmoates:

I/O is where I get killed

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H00chster:

running hd my backends aren't really running any more load than sd, just the frontends hd will pull in much more of course

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cmoates:

recording 2 HD + playing back an HD barely works on my older frontend/backend

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H00chster:

I have a 2.4g and 1.7g backend master/slave and they handle all my tuners including HD

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H00chster:

my frontend I watch the hd on is a 5600+ x2 heh

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H00chster:

ya if it is a combo/fe/be then ya you need the hp

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H00chster:

but he just mentioned be only

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H00chster:

which I don't think will be bothered too much

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Wickedboy:

I'll either get that quad-core 3ghz cpu .. or some xeon thing .. I'm still working on the server setup

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Wickedboy:

either way, should be able to calulate a few things

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H00chster:

I used to run my be shared on that x2 with the fe and it still runs the same cpu pretty much just as a fe only now

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H00chster:

heh

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H00chster:

I was thinking of running my master be on a dual xeon 2.8g with linux vserver and still might just not have tuners in it, or if you think xen will do the pci slots I might check into that

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H00chster:

figure that is lots of power plus 4g ram to waste as just a be heh so wanted to run my web and email on it too heh

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H00chster:

never messed with it but the xeon would make a good commercial cutter backend

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bsdfox:

H00chster: I've tried and couldn't get it working but I heard it's possible

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H00chster:

can just make it a slave

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Wickedboy:

myth is just one of the machines I want to run in it

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H00chster:

cool bsdfox might look into it but still might do it just for the non tuner aspect

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Wickedboy:

I want to truecrypt my raid .. which will most likely take a huge load of cpu power

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bsdfox:

lol wtf encrypt tv capture?

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bsdfox:

that doesn't make any sense

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Wickedboy:

I didnt say that

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Wickedboy:

It will not only be a mythmachine

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Wickedboy:

I said that tho ;)

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Anduin:

jams: I do not, I doubt it though.

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TelnetManta:

Can anyone help me figure out why my mysql wont start all of a sudden?

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TelnetManta:

when I try to start it I get: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)

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insertBillHere:

TelnetManta: Probably a corrupted table.

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bsdfox:

check the logs

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insertBillHere:

mysqlcheck -r --databases mythconverg

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Anduin:

jams: It is a MythThemedDialog.... so it appears, yes

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insertBillHere:

Should be a builtin check somewhere, yes?

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TelnetManta:

insertBillHere: database all ok

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TelnetManta:

insertBillHere: I can run it with mysqld_safe --user=mysql &

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insertBillHere:

Okay, now /etc/init.d/mysql stop and start (manually, no "restart")

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insertBillHere:

Once you do that, "ps -ef | grep mysql" to make sure it's running

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insertBillHere:

Then, stop/start mythtv

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insertBillHere:

same way

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jams:

Anduin- hmm guess i need to dig around some more then. Thx.

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DarkStorm:

hi@all

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TelnetManta:

insertBillHere: Thanks. restarting the box just to be safe

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insertBillHere:

TelnetManta: I've been various types of sysadmin since 1993. The one thing I can reliably say about UNIX and UNIX-like systems is, restarting the box rarely fixes anything.

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n4plike:

someone setup mythtv under sidux? (debian sid)

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n4plike:

just getting mad here

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Toxicity999:

anyone here have a really complete LIRC setup for a Standard Windows MCE remote? I lost my old lircrc/sql button mappings... if anyone'd be kind enough to throw me their lircrc and a matching myth sql dump for the button mappings, you would be my hero.

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Toxicity999:

even without the sql end I could modify that myself with solid button mappings.

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n4plike:

cannot start mythtv-setup using mythtv user – just using root with a few tricks – but then the setup brings me no options up just the blank "main" screen until i press enter and then the setup "ends"

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lightning:

quick Q, just installed mythtv. I do not have a capture card yet but am wanting to use the video portion to play my dvd collection. I have all of them in sub folders of 1 folder. How can I get all of the dvd's imported?

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Anduin:

Toxicity999: the contrib/configfiles directory has one

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Toxicity999:

Is it actually complete? The ones trickling around I've found in the past were missing a ton, I could finish it up myself I suppose, just being lazy >.>

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TelnetManta:

insertBillHere: It was more to allow all of the startup scripts to run properly

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TelnetManta:

easier for me :-)

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insertBillHere:

TelnetManta: Ok. Still, it rarely hurts to run "/etc/init.d/* stop|start" instead of rebooting. (Unless you're in a cluster. In which case, you're doomed. ;-)

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TelnetManta:

insertBillHere: didnt know I could do that

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TelnetManta:

thanks!

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n4plike:

i'm just getting a blank screen with "main" in the left corner and a background if i'm starting mythtv-setup

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n4plike:

what am i doing wrong?

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n4plike:

and it just works using root allowing root to run xserver

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n4plike:

pressing enter at the blank screen brings me to konfiguration but after this – i just can quit using "esc" and mythfilldatabase tells me to run setup

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insertBillHere:

n4plike: Sounds like you're running "mythtv-setup" instead of "mythfrontend".

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n4plike:

why mythfrontend if i'm already havent installed it?

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n4plike:

using mythfrontend brings me the same error

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n4plike:

just "main" and no text on it

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n4plike:

now i've tried mysql --user=root --password < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql

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n4plike:

with the result of a loop of errors...

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Aval0n:

what is the default command in mythtv to play a dvd player with mplayer?

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kormoc:

Aval0n, wiki

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n4plike:

kormoc: any idea why i'm just getting a blank screen with a background and "main" in the left upper corner using "mythtv-setup"?

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Aval0n:

i looked

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n4plike:

if im pressing enter then i can configure

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n4plike:

but the configuration isn saved

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Aval0n:

no luck...probably overlooking it

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n4plike:

*isn't

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n4plike:

any possibility delete everything created by mythtv

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n4plike:

to do a real blank new install?

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mzb_d800:

n4plike: you probably haven't got a font package installed

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mzb_d800:

msttcorefonts iirc

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n4plike:

this could be...

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mzb_d800:

you should not be running mythtv-setup as root

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n4plike:

is this in the debian package?

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mzb_d800:

yes

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n4plike:

yeah but how else

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mzb_d800:

the proper way? :)

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n4plike:

it doesnt work running it as mythtv

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mzb_d800:

well find out why

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mzb_d800:

because using root as a work around is only going to come back and bite you in the bum later on

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mzb_d800:

mythtv-setup -v all --geometry 800x600

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mzb_d800:

^^ in a console

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mzb_d800:

it's *bound* to tell you the error

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mzb_d800:

then it's just a case of pasting errors into google until you get a when ;)

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rooaus:

n4plike: Does the mythtv user have read/write access to it's home directory?

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mzb_d800:

s/when/win

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insertBillHere:

s/it's/its

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rooaus:

heh

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mzb_d800:

s/Bill/pole ;)

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n4plike:

its working now using a link in the menu

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n4plike:

:)

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n4plike:

but is there realy no grabber for austria and germany?

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purserj:

is anyone experienced with building myth-svn on gentoo/

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purserj:

?

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rooaus:

purserj: I have done so.

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purserj:

how did you do it?

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purserj:

I'm getting qt conflicts I think

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purserj:

hmm hold on might have found a solution

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rooaus:

purserj: You *must* use qt3, not qt4.

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purserj:

right, so no qt4 allowed?

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rooaus:

I have updated my gentoo box for 12 months, just svn up'd mythtv

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro u there?

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rooaus:

purserj: No qt4 allowed (until the -qt4 branch gets merged). :)

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purserj:

right

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** purserj goes to untangle the qt mess **

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iamlindoro:

aval0n, just got in

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purserj:

rooaus: what version do you have of qt?

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purserj:

I'm just putting the mask entry in

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Aval0n:

hi

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Aval0n:

that command you gave me didn't work

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Aval0n:

just flashed the screen on no dvd load

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Aval0n:

but my wife is on me to leave

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iamlindoro:

Which one? And are you playing an actual dvd or a ripped dvd?

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Aval0n:

I guess I'll have to talk to you later

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Aval0n:

actual

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iamlindoro:

then it won't be %s

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iamlindoro:

probably dvd://

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iamlindoro:

but I would have to check

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Aval0n:

ok thanks man

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Aval0n:

I'll try that when I get home

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iamlindoro:

OK, I'll be out tonight but it should be a matter of that, adjusting %s to your dvd device

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iamlindoro:

because %s would be a file

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iamlindoro:

Anyone good with Perl RegEx?

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rooaus:

purserj: Latest version installed: 3.3.4-r8

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n4plike:

2007-11–17 02:56:06.789 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)

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n4plike:

2007-11–17 02:56:06.790 Connection timed out.

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n4plike:

wtf?

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n4plike:

mythbackend already running, use restart instead.

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n4plike:

mythbackend start shows me: mythbackend already running, use restart instead.

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n4plike:

but mythfilldatabase tells that it cannot connect

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rooaus:

"zap" it

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n4plike:

zap meaned as "shoot it" or "delete" it? ;)

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rooaus:

lol

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n4plike:

but anyway dont helps me :x

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kormoc:

n4plike, perhaps mythbackend zap ?

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kormoc:

n4plike, or you could try doing what it said and use mythbackend restart

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n4plike:

already did so? ;)

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purserj:

rooaus: thanks

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rooaus:

probably a stale pid file, use zap instead of restart

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rooaus:

/usr/bin/ls

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rooaus:

^^^ ignore that

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n4plike:

[02:58:36] <kormoc> n4plike, perhaps mythbackend zap ? < no valid command for "mythbackend"? ;)

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kormoc:

depends on your distro

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n4plike:

debian sid :/

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rooaus:

n4plike: Sorry dude, I got you mixed up, thought you were using gentoo. The zap is passed to gentoo init.d file to fix the "mythbackend is already started" prob. My bad.

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n4plike:

no problem but already thinking about the problem

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insertBillHere:

n4plike: I run Debian; however, I've always compiled mythtv from source. Not as hard as it sounds. And you get the latest version.

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n4plike:

mythbackend is'nt able to start at all

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n4plike:

Restarting MythTV server: mythbackend No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.

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n4plike:

.

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n4plike:

all the time the same

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n4plike:

yeah but i though would be a better idea using package instead of compling on my own

[02:04:36]

cesman:

cough logs cough

[02:04:38]

cesman:

cough logs cough

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n4plike:

cesman: ?

[02:06:10]

cesman:

n4plike: ?

[02:06:25]

cesman:

if the backend isn't starting, check the log

[02:06:33]

cesman:

I've no idea where it is in Gentoo

[02:06:39]

cesman:

try /var/log/mythtv

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insertBillHere:

cesman: You got the flu? Or just a bad bark?

[02:07:18]

cesman:

insertBillHere: nope...just dropping a hint

[02:07:44]

insertBillHere:

Cough --hack-- cough ;-)

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n4plike:

cesman: i'm using debian not gentoo :D

[02:09:55]

cesman:

well, in that case, I know it is above dir

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n4plike:

seems to be running

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n4plike:

as root i'm getting one error

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n4plike:

as mythtv user another one

[02:10:39]

n4plike:

the one mythtv poiting at a database error – already given the user full rights to the database

[02:10:52]

n4plike:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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n4plike:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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cesman:

has the db been created?

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n4plike:

yeah

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n4plike:

and it is filled with data

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cesman:

if memory serves, w/ the Debian packages the password is randomly generated

[02:12:26]

n4plike:

imho it is mythtv is the pass

[02:12:28]

n4plike:

but dont matter

[02:13:16]

cesman:

been a while since I used the debian package

[02:13:40]

cesman:

if mythtv isn't working, it is probably generated

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n4plike:

tried it out

[02:14:06]

n4plike:

mythtv is the pass

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n4plike:

but how does this help me? ;)

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cesman:

mysql -u whateveritis -pmythtv

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cesman:

if that works, check /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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n4plike:

i've tried login in via phpmyadmin

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n4plike:

and this worked

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n4plike:

cesman: you where right there were wrong datas

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n4plike:

cesman: no i'm hanging at the same problem as as root

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n4plike:

cesman: http://rafb.net/p/fcMEiV50.html < now this is the problem

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cesman:

I've run mythtv-setup and verify both IPs are 127.0.0.1

[02:21:35]

cesman:

I'd also delete the tuners and source, reconfigure and rebind

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n4plike:

both ip's are 127.0.0.1 for sure

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n4plike:

reconfigure? rebind?

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n4plike:

oh kk i see

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n4plike:

i'll do so

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iamlindoro:

Ahhh, just sent in my first patch ever to mythtv... I'm kinda proud! :)

[02:25:39]

iamlindoro:

Now to get it accepted.... :)

[02:26:06]

cesman:

iamlindoro: what is the patch for?!

[02:27:27]

iamlindoro:

Adds functionality to IMDB search.... takes MPAA ratings and translates them to Parental Ratings instead of just leaving them at 0. So instead of manually setting parental levels, G = 0, PG = 1, PG-13 = 2, R = 3, X/NC-17 = 4

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cesman:

nice!

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iamlindoro:

I've always wanted parental levels but my collection is WAY too huge to do it manually... now I can just run them back through the imdb search and it'll auto-set

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iamlindoro:

as well as new ones, of course

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n4plike:

cesman: problem is the same :/

[02:29:54]

n4plike:

yeah ... it was done !

[02:30:07]

n4plike:

reastarting backend server again now helped ... nice

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cesman:

:)

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n4plike:

and how the hell am i now giving the channels names? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/TV_channels_in_Austria

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, how does it handle difference between uk/us ratings and the like?

[02:52:33]

iamlindoro:

It's just set to US for now... Should be as simple as adding the right regular expressions for any other country

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, I have the following ratings from the imdb lookup, "Rated R for ...", "USA: R, UK: R", "US: R", "Rated PG-13, re-edited from Rated: R"

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kormoc:

I wonder if it will work for all of those?

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iamlindoro:

Will work with USA:R, Rated R, or anything that contains any of those

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kormoc:

Does it pull the first one or the last one? (I.E Last example)

[02:55:10]

kormoc:

I'm liking this idea, just so you know, I'm just curious as to how you implemented it

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iamlindoro:

It's just via regular expressions. I'm afraid it was a quick job... I can update the patch, though... Right now it'll do it if it contains any of the following: G, Rated G, PG, Rated PG, PG-13, Rated PG-13, Rated PG13, R, Rated R, X, Rated X, NC-17, Rated NC-17, Rated NC17

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iamlindoro:

That is, USA:G, USA:PG, USA:PG-13, USA:R on those that were only the ratings

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** kormoc nods **

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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iamlindoro:

Rated: R *probably* won't work, but I'd have to try it. Do you have an example? In most cases IMDB contains ratings for many countries, so if the USA is there it *should* work

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iamlindoro:

But it's just a little RegEx match, so I am more than happy to add any other appropriate strings, those were just the ones I was familiar with

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kormoc:

Huh, I had Cube (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0123755/) with "Rated: R" but imdb doesn't seem to agree... I might have typed that one in myself...

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iamlindoro:

Ah, kormoc, in your last example it would set as PG-13 since it would match that first

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, kk, sounds good

[03:03:23]

iamlindoro:

This is the output from the movie you mentioned: http://www.pastebin.ca/777907

[03:03:29]

iamlindoro:

Note the last line which is my little addition

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iamlindoro:

Sets it as R

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iamlindoro:

slash parental level 3

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kormoc:

Snazzy. So how does it set un-rated movies?

[03:04:43]

iamlindoro:

Sets them to 0/no control

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** kormoc nods **

[03:05:11]

iamlindoro:

But I'm no coder so even in these few lines there are probably more elegant ways of doing things

[03:05:29]

kormoc:

Nifty patch. I'll have to poke at it and get it working with the mythweb video interface

[03:05:45]

kormoc:

but time for me to head home, so off I go

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iamlindoro:

Thanks! I'm a little self conscious about it given the aforementioned lack of coding skills ;)

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kormoc:

Heh, yeah, no worries :)

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BenB:

em....

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BenB:

if I have a CI/CA

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BenB:

like Premiere

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BenB:

and I put the CAM together with smartcard in a different machine and card....

[03:20:53]

BenB:

do I have to reactivate the card?

[03:21:15]

BenB:

because I just put it back in the old card/machine and it doesn't work anymore.

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darkwizard:

can mythtv play shoutcast?

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cesman:

there is a patch for mythmusic that allows it to do so

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cesman:

sorry, I don't have the link handy

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rooaus:

darkwizard: google "shoutcast eskil mythtv" you will find it.

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darkwizard:

i frounf mythstream

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purserj:

okay possibly a dumb question, I have one svn installation and one pre-packaged installation which acts as the backend. When I go to kick up the svn installation it asks if it can change the db structure, will this prevent the prepackaged backend from working?

[04:38:22]

kormoc:

yes it will

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purserj:

tah

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t0ny-p40:

purserj, if you ever try anything like that back up your db first :P

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t0ny-p40:

You should be backing up nightly anyways ;P

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purserj:

t0ny-p40: already done :)

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t0ny-p40:

Good

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t0ny-p40:

Now I should backup my own data base...

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t0ny-p40:

lol

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purserj:

The main reason I'm asking is because I'm having trouble getting svn built on gentoo while the install I have on this ubuntu laptop is working okay

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Aval0n:

guys what is the best program for playing DVD's in myth

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Aval0n:

mplayer is okay but it just goes straight to the movie no menus...

[05:52:59]

Aval0n:

and myth's internal is messing up the languages all the time.

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cesman:

then use Xine

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Anduin:

xine is nice

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Aval0n:

cool

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Aval0n:

anyone know what the package name would be for xine?

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Anduin:

Aval0n: It is probably called xine (and would probably not be directly part of your distro repos)

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Aval0n:

gxine

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Aval0n:

found it

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H00chster:

actually libxine is the package most likely libxine1 but to get the gui you have xine-ui or as you found gxine or something like that

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iamlindoro:

aval0n, if you compile current mplayer svn you will get DVD menus

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BenB:

anybody here, prefereably from germany, who knows how to get encrypted programs (premiere) running. it worked already, but now it stopped working and I can't get it to work again.

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** BenB wishes that CI/CA stuff would not exist **

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BenB:

no DRM, no content encryption, please

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** BenB is frustrated **

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roothorick:

I have a LiteOn LVW-5005. The CPU appears to be an LSI Logic DMN-8602. Any speculations on what arch that is?

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roothorick:

(and yes, you know where this is going)

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BenB:

roothorick: you're trying to install linux on your DVD-ROM drive?

[09:09:51]

BenB:

s/install/run/

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BenB:

oh, it's a standalone DVD recorder.

[09:11:38]

BenB:

roothorick: I'd try arm9 first. most embedded chips have an ARM IP core

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BenB:

(IP = logically embedded, not a separate chip)

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roothorick:

BenB: set-top DVD player actually. It has an anatomically complete EIDE DVD-RW drive though

[09:15:00]

roothorick:

even an eject button

[09:16:07]

roothorick:

blah

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roothorick:

set-top DVD RECORDER

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BenB:

an eject button, wow.

[09:16:39]

BenB:

I see liteon feared no costs, again

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roothorick:

anyway, I found a spec sheet that says the chip is based on the "DoMiNo" architecture

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BenB:

which says about nothing

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BenB:

why do you need to know?

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roothorick:

well, for starters, I need to figure out a way to boot Linux on it

[09:17:40]

roothorick:

...jesus. This chip does everything

[09:18:13]

roothorick:

it's a CPU, north bridge, and south bridge on a single die

[09:18:22]

roothorick:

all it needs is a crystal and headers

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BenB:

why do you need to do it? you realize you're in for a 3–6 weeks project, *if* you have done things like this before?

[09:18:59]

roothorick:

I've already found a way to replace the firmware

[09:19:11]

roothorick:

it's been hacked before, unlocking hidden features, disabling DVD region, etc

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BenB:

cool, that's a good start. now you need a bootload, and porting.

[09:19:24]

roothorick:

and yeah, I realize how long this is going to take

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BenB:

bootloader

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roothorick:

...it's MIPS. Right here on the datasheet

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BenB:

ah, cool

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roothorick:

"Dual 150 MIPS RISC architecture with integrated audio DSP"

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roothorick:

a good start

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roothorick:

Linux has been used on Domino family chipsets before apparently...

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BenB:

roothorick: do you have pointers?

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BenB:

roothorick: it means I can buy a DVB recorder and run mythtv on it?

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roothorick:

probably not

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roothorick:

I'm tempted to email LSI about it

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Paladine:

anyone in the UK awake?

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roothorick:

a good start would be picking at the firmware update

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Paladine:

my xmltv seems to have mysteriously broken

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Paladine:

has every on every mfdb for the last week

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Paladine:

has failed

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roothorick:

are there any reports of MythTV running on set-top DVD recorders?

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directhex:

NAFAIK

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directhex:

Paladine, usually happens when there's a 1-character error on the RT website

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Paladine:

yeah thats what I am getting in 251.dat

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Paladine:

but for 9 days now

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Paladine:

I only have 4 days of guide left

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Paladine:

http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/251.dat: Code point \u0010 is not a valid character in XML at /usr/share/perl5/XMLTV.pm line 1757

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directhex:

Sky Movies Action/Thriller

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Paladine:

yup

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roothorick:

I now have a file named LNFA1101.E20, and the header doesn't look like anything I know of

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Paladine:

directhex, I am guessing other brits must have the same problem, so was just wondering if anyone has a workaround for it yet

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siXy:

Paladine: this is one of the reasons i use EIT these days

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Paladine:

I will check back later, I have to do some plumbing in the nursery now

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Paladine:

EIT?

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siXy:

failing that you could manually grab the the .xml's and strip the invalid stuff with a XSLT script

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siXy:

guide data that is transmitted OTA for dvb channels

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siXy:

v simple to enable – just run mythtv setup and go to the guide section

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Paladine:

I am on sky

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roothorick:

I've decided against the hack. Lack of ethernet means it'll be too difficult to work with

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Paladine:

Iwill look into it later, I really have to go do some work now, thanks for the help though

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roothorick:

it DOES have firewire and possibly USB

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roothorick:

hmmm

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siXy:

Paladine: then you're probably stuck with manually stripping the invalid characters, or working out why they are invalid (maybe switch to UFT8?)

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roothorick:

I'll think about it

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Paladine:

yeah the issue appears to be Elizabeth PeÃ±a

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Paladine:

from the rush hour 2 listing

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Paladine:

the perl parser obviously doesn't like the funny spanish character

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Paladine:

(I presume it is spanish)

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Paladine:

anyway be back later thanks again :)

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[10:07:13]

purserj:

okay next newbie question, is there a way to generate thumbnails for videos?

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directhex:

for where?

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directhex:

the mythvideo section of mythweb, presumably?

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purserj:

the mythvideos listing in mythfrontend

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siXy:

purserj: theres a script that looks on imdb and downloads the cover image, if its a film

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purserj:

I was just pondering the possibility of grabbing a frame to use as an icon, especially for those without imdb listings (such as tv shows and the like)

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siXy:

purserj: i'm sure you could write a script to do it, but afaik theres nothing pre-made

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purserj:

siXy: thanks, might look into it

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directhex:

it might be a good thing to have

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siXy:

directhex: yeah i was thining that

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siXy:

just wondering about an efficent way to grab frame XX that workes regardless of video type

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directhex:

siXy, or a script to try tv.com for episode details? mythvideo SUCKS for tv eps

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siXy:

directhex: ah i've not come across tv.com

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directhex:

well, ANY tv site

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directhex:

okay, impressive, it found some of my more obscure things

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siXy:

although there you have a problem that all my 3 seasons of arrested development all have the same picture

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directhex:

well, you can get the ep details that way, and generate a thumbnail from the file for the image

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siXy:

yeah – i might use epguids for episode details – less cruft to parse

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siXy:

epguides

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directhex:

if the data's there, sure

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directhex:

which it appears not to be :/

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directhex:

doesn't even have brass eye O_o

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siXy:

its there for all of mine – but i don't have too many obscure tv shows

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siXy:

oh brass eye – its years since i saw that – had forgetten about it :)

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siXy:

i must watch that again

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Cameron_Calver:

Hello can someone tell me if mythtv is any point without a tv card?

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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Flexy:

what have I done wrong/how can I fix this: mythfilldatabase runs, fills programdata (tv_grab_fi), but nothing shows in program guide. It seems that those programs are on sql table "program" with wrong "chanid". Well, maybe not wrong, but different than in sql table "channel"... So, I know the problem, but I don't know how to fix it...

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Flexy:

this is a new install, if that makes any sense. 0.20.2 from debian multimedia repository.

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Flexy:

help! :)

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toad_:

anyone using a Hauppauge WinTV Nova-T 500 PCI ?

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toad_:

the dual tuner USB thingy

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toad_:

is it stable with the new firmware?

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toad_:

and would i need to use mercurial or would a reasonably recent trunk kernel be sufficient?

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Flexy:

what decides in table program under what chanid gets the xmltv program data saved?

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BlackDark:

hi

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BlackDark is now known as yhan

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yhan:

I got a strange problem with mytharchive,

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yhan:

I can archive, and create a dvd without problem

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yhan:

but when I play it with mythdvd, I don't have any sound

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yhan:

but it I play the same dvd in my /regular/ dvd player everything works

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yhan:

what's wrong ?

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Flexy:

what have I done wrong/how can I fix this: mythfilldatabase runs, fills programdata (tv_grab_fi), but nothing shows in program guide. It seems that those programs are on sql table "program" with wrong "chanid". Well, maybe not wrong, but different than in sql table "channel"... So, I know the problem, but I don't know how to fix it...

[13:22:01]

Flexy:

what decides in table program under what chanid gets the xmltv program data saved?

[13:22:13]

Flexy:

this is a new install, if that makes any sense. 0.20.2 from debian multimedia repository.

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Flexy:

help! :)

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yhan:

don't you have to choose your lineup from the setup interface ?

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Flexy:

where exactly?

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Flexy:

I can set there to every channel the right xmltv (35.telkku.com for example), but that does not help.

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th1:

hi, I know its a long shot but I am trying to compile lirc for 2.6.23 kernel and getting errors, tried the ubuntu source package and also latest CVS but no luck, anyone has got this to work?

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Flexy:

mythfilldatabase saves the programs under different chanid, than the programs actually are

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Flexy:

one channel, lets say TV1, it has chanid 8118 in the table program. the same channel, TV1, has chanid 1001 in the table channel. So, that's why nothing shows up in the program guide... Atleast I think that's the problem. But I have no idea how to fix that!

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Flexy:

the same thing for every channel, different chanid for one channel in tables program and channel

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adante:

anybody here use tapeworm?

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tcpsyn:

never heard of it

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tcpsyn:

flexy, do mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates

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tcpsyn:

or.. rather.

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tcpsyn:

try

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Flexy:

tcpsyn: OK, I'll try that. What that should do?

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Flexy:

exactly, that is

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Flexy:

perhaps I should save my database first

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tcpsyn:

--do-channel-updates When using DataDirect, ask mythfilldatabase to overwrite channel names, frequencies, etc. with the values available from the data source. This will override custom channel names, which is why it is off by default.

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Flexy:

tcpsyn: what is datadirect? and then again, I don't have custom channel names, they are taken directly from dvb stream by mythtv itself

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tcpsyn:

flexy, oh, you're not using schedules direct?

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Flexy:

that is a new name also... :(

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tcpsyn:

zap2it

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Flexy:

no

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tcpsyn:

for guide data.

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tcpsyn:

upcoming guide data

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Flexy:

no

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tcpsyn:

hrm.

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clever[rev]:

my ffmpeg segfaults when transcoding to flv

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clever[rev]:

but i think ive found a way arround it

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clever[rev]:

im using mencoder to convert it to raw video/audio

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tcpsyn:

flexy, oh. I haven't seen a config like that... I don't know.

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Flexy:

tv_grab_fi, used by mythfilldatabase. tv_grab_fi gets all the program data from the net, from a site that lists the programs

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clever[rev]:

600mb/min

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clever[rev]:

now i just need to modify mythweb to use it

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tcpsyn:

wait... why?

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tcpsyn:

are you using svn?

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clever[rev]:

yes svn for mythtv

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clever[rev]:

14799

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tcpsyn:

clever[re, svn mythweb should take care of that.. no?

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tcpsyn:

without any extra processing

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clever[rev]:

the mythweb runs ffmpeg to convert the video to flv

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clever[rev]:

and ffmpeg segfaults on my .nuv files(frame grabber)

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tcpsyn:

ooh.

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clever[rev]:

mplayer is able to play them just find

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clever[rev]:

mencoder can convert it to RAW video/audio and shove it down a fifo

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clever[rev]:

ffmpeg can then read it and compress to flv

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tcpsyn:

I had similar problems using mythtranscode to change mpeg2-ts -> mpeg2-ps.

[14:02:17]

tcpsyn:

well.. maybe not so similar.

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tcpsyn:

but I used VLC to do the conversion.

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clever[rev]:

my mythtranscode does segfault on certain shows also

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tcpsyn:

with good results.

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clever[rev]:

but ffmpeg segfaults on ALL

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tcpsyn:

ouch.

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tcpsyn:

you should be able to change the transcoder settings in setup somewhere..

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clever[rev]:

yeah and even with a lossless transcode it segfaults

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tcpsyn:

change it from mythtranscode to mencoder in there somewhere, or vlc.

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tcpsyn:

I wasn't getting segfaults

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tcpsyn:

just bad files.

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clever[rev]:

mencoder/vlc wont be able to update the status in the jobqueue table

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tcpsyn:

why not.

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clever[rev]:

they arent made to do that

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clever[rev]:

but a script could monitor them and update mythtv's tables

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tcpsyn:

I set up vlc as a user job

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tcpsyn:

it reports on the job

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clever[rev]:

but can you see how much % is done?

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tcpsyn:

If I felt like watching the log.

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tcpsyn:

I just see when it's queued, when it's started, and when its finished.

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clever[rev]:

mythtranscode/flag can insert a status percentage into the queue table

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tcpsyn:

not oh

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tcpsyn:

I guess I never cared about the status %

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clever[rev]:

it also shows a fps reading

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clever[rev]:

so you can get a rought idea of how fast its going

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clever[rev]:

90% done:D

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clever[rev]:

no sound on the flash plugin

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_mre|666:

<Dupper> Mr. E., could my current desktop be used to upscale the output of a dishnetwork receiver from 480i to 1080i effectively?

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_mre|666:

anybody know?

[14:19:46]

_mre|666:

he's wondering if myth is better than his dvr reciever, basically

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darkstorm^:

hi@

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darkstorm^:

anyone some idea why i'm just getting this screen starting the frontend? http://image.speedhacker.net/images/cqs1195312043y.png

[15:09:39]

darkstorm^:

no music, no video – just tv

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dr_lulz:

do you have the plugins installed?

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darkstorm^:

i thought that these were default plugins – thank you :)

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dr_lulz:

yw

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darkstorm^:

but 2 questions – noobie question, how can i change channel? didnt found out :/ and how can i update the numbers of the channels to names with this list: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/TV_channels_in_Austria

[15:15:53]

anykey_:

http://www.dmesg.ch/wordpress/mythtv-theme/ :>

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darkstorm^:

darf man hier deutsch reden? :o

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dr_lulz:

#mythtv-de

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darkstorm^:

oh kk :D

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black_Nightmare_:

hey again

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: around?

[15:38:54]

iamlindoro:

jeez, you always have good timing, just woke up

[15:38:59]

Aval0n:

lol

[15:39:44]

Aval0n:

so I don't like xine, because there's no dvd menus... and when I use that mplayer string you gave me, I don't get them either..

[15:39:58]

Aval0n:

so I was thinking of upping to trunk to see if that remedies the language bug

[15:40:13]

Aval0n:

you mentioned it was easy to upgrade

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black_Nightmare_:

heh hey iamlindoro :p

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anykey_:

Aval0n: xine can display menues, I think.

[15:40:32]

Aval0n:

what strings should I pass to the configure line

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iamlindoro:

aval0n, yeah, it's pretty easy-- you're on ubuntu, right?

[15:41:04]

Aval0n:

well xine was also weirding me out because I had to pass a deinterlace tag to it so it wouldn't interlace

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Aval0n:

yes I'm on ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

do an apt-get build-dep mplayer

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Aval0n:

when I passed -D I don't think the video looked as nicec as when the myth internal player played the same thing

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Aval0n:

ok sec

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Aval0n:

done

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iamlindoro:

Hang on a sec, gotta find you one other lib

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Aval0n:

okie tay

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iamlindoro:

OK, we're going to get the DVD nav libraries real quick. Go to your home directory and do:

[15:46:25]

iamlindoro:

cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@dvd.cvs.sourceforge.net :/cvsroot/dvd login

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iamlindoro:

press enter for password

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iamlindoro:

Then cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@dvd.cvs.sourceforge.net :/cvsroot/dvd co -P libdvdnav

[15:47:55]

Aval0n:

can i do that as root

[15:48:00]

Aval0n:

or do I have to be the mythtv user

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iamlindoro:

either way will work

[15:48:58]

iamlindoro:

When you're done you should have a libdvdnav directory

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Aval0n:

done and done

[15:49:41]

iamlindoro:

ok, cd libdvdnav

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iamlindoro:

./autogen.sh

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iamlindoro:

make

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iamlindoro:

make install

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iamlindoro:

or, if not root, sudo make install

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clever[rev]:

sudo make install when allready root is harmless

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clever[rev]:

so you can allways say sudo

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iamlindoro:

Right, but as I had only said make install, it wouldn't have worked if he *hadn't* been root already, ergo the reiteration

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Aval0n:

sorry had to install autoconf

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|Torg|:

besides not all systems have sudo installed. Its better if you simply pay attention tow here you are logged in and as who

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iamlindoro:

no problem

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Aval0n:

now it wants libtool

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

sec

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black_Nightmare_:

iamlindoro...mind if I ask a quick graphic card question? :p

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iamlindoro:

black_nightmare, sure... Dunno ig I can help, but can try

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: done

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iamlindoro:

ok, libdvdnav installed?

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Aval0n:

had to install like 8 things just to get the autogen to fly lol

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iamlindoro:

ok, back to the mplayer directory

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Aval0n:

where at?

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Aval0n:

I don't remember seeing one

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iamlindoro:

Wherever you got the svn mplayer

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j2_:

Hm, if i chose "Watch TV" and my drive is in standby mode, i get a "time out" and get dropped back to menu. Can i increase this timeout? (all i need is about 2 more seconds).

[15:57:07]

iamlindoro:

you were asking about configure strings so I presume you already checked it out of SVN

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Aval0n:

nah

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Aval0n:

I hadn't yet

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Aval0n:

i've never even used svn anything before

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Aval0n:

anything i've ever installed manually were from tarballs

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iamlindoro:

ok, apt-get install subversion

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iamlindoro:

then: svn checkout svn://svn.mplayerhq.hu/mplayer/trunk mplayer

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black_Nightmare_:

I'm kinda curious to why a card would have a bios socket but the dip chip doesn't use all the pins in socket? (eg socket is 16pin but chip only uses 12 left pins as example)

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Aval0n:

ok done

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: just on a side note.. it seemed like mplayer was playing the dvd interlaced too

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Aval0n:

is that normal by default?

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iamlindoro:

black_nightmare: No idea.... hardware engineering is definitely not my area of expertise :)

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|Torg|:

its poor card archtitecture, commonly seen from hardware from China

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Aval0n:

trog!

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|Torg|:

would be its made for two differnt chips and they didnt want to chagne it

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Aval0n:

torg*

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iamlindoro:

if the source is interlaced, it'll play it interlaced. No player is going to take progressive and interlace it, in general

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Aval0n:

lol welcome back man

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|Torg|:

yea :)

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|Torg|:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

aval-n, done with the checkout?

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Aval0n:

yessir

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Aval0n:

subversion is installed

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iamlindoro:

and you did the svn line?

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Aval0n:

which?

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iamlindoro:

look above

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j2_:

black_Nightmare_: because the socket could also hold a bigger chip (logically).

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Aval0n:

oh sorry one sec

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|Torg|:

black_Nightmare_: go look up what that chip is, its not necessarily bios

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j2_:

black_Nightmare_: and i mean "logically" as in "adressing", not as in "thoughtwise" :)

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Aval0n:

so dvds are interlaced by default eh?

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Aval0n:

I guess that makes sense

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iamlindoro:

No, in general they are progressive

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Aval0n:

erm weird

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Aval0n:

I wonder why it's showing up interlaced then,

[16:02:08]

Aval0n:

I'm not running an interlaced res in the xorg

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black_Nightmare_:

it does appear to be the bios chip just as a note... "TNT2 M64" line followed by "v2.06 10MB" ;)

[16:02:09]

iamlindoro:

one thing at a time please

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Aval0n:

haha ok sorry

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Aval0n:

checkout is done

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iamlindoro:

ok, enter that directory and do:

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iamlindoro:

ah, wait

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|Torg|:

dvds in and of themsleves are not a video format, what is stored on them however is. Its mpeg, usually 4:3 or 16:9 anamorphic, mpeg2 at 720x480 (well for US ones)

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iamlindoro:

first, do a apt-get remove mplayer mplayer-nogui

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Aval0n:

done

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iamlindoro:

now enter directory and do ./configure --prefix=/usr

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Aval0n:

done

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iamlindoro:

then make

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Aval0n:

compiling..

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Aval0n:

ubuntu sure makes things easy

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iamlindoro:

yup, afterward do a make install, and a mplayer --version will show you that you are running the SVN version

[16:07:26]

iamlindoro:

actually, check that

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Aval0n:

very cool

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iamlindoro:

instead of make install, let's do a checkinstall

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|Torg|:

iamlindoro: you use make install, not create a package and install it that way?

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iamlindoro:

yes, either way

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Aval0n:

we apt-get removed it though right?

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iamlindoro:

aval0n, yes, we remove the default package, this second way we will create a new package

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|Torg|:

I still use checkinstall even with its extra trash it throws in, makes it easuer to upgrade or remove it later on

[16:08:33]

iamlindoro:

|torg|, sure, it works either way of course

[16:08:43]

iamlindoro:

we will do so for him, but I just make install

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Aval0n:

so when make is donem, do make checkinstall?

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iamlindoro:

I tire of upgrade nags when it doesn't understand my version numbers

[16:09:08]

iamlindoro:

not make checkinstall, just checkinstall

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Aval0n:

ok

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|Torg|:

I just uninstall the origional verions, then install my own versions

[16:09:55]

iamlindoro:

Torg, that's exactly what we did/are doing

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iamlindoro:

avalon, when it asks if you want to create default docs during checkinstall, say yes, then give it a descriptive name like "Mplayer SVN 11-17–07" and leave the rest default and ok on through

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Aval0n:

ok awesome

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Aval0n:

is installing mythtv svn that simple too?

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iamlindoro:

ish

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iamlindoro:

myth itself is, plugins require a little dep hunting, even in ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

that is, they'll compile but to get all the features you have to look at your configure output and install a few extra libs before compiling

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|Torg|:

pugins really arnt that hard, do the same with it

[16:14:59]

|Torg|:

mythweb is the only thing I know that has to be put in by hand

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iamlindoro:

torg, even a build-dep of all the myth component on ubuntu doesn't install libfaac, libfaad, taglib, sdl, fttw, etc for visualizations, mythmusic, etc. so it's *not* simply a matter of build-dep and a simple configure

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iamlindoro:

without manual addition of libraries, as I said, mythmusic won't even be built

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|Torg|:

ok I see what you mean, I do my dependancies seperate

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: i entered the descr but it keeps giving me >>

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Aval0n:

should I contrl c?

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iamlindoro:

NO

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|Torg|:

I use my myth debs mostly to track what svn version I have, nothing more

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Aval0n:

ok

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Aval0n:

lol

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iamlindoro:

read the instructions, It says hit enter on a blank line to finish

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Aval0n:

oh OEF

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|Torg|:

in desc put in "My own whatever I please tag"

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Aval0n:

EOF I see

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n, whatever works, for me it's a simple enter on a blank line

[16:18:22]

Aval0n:

yeah it was

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Aval0n:

it just said above "End on blank line to EOF"

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Aval0n:

checkinstall done

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iamlindoro:

ok, try mplayer --version

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Aval0n:

make install now?

[16:18:51]

iamlindoro:

nope

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Aval0n:

k

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iamlindoro:

that was the install

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|Torg|:

no it wasnt :P

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Aval0n:

root@htpc:/home/aval0n/libdvdnav/mplayer# mplayer --version

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Aval0n:

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|Torg|:

when you finish the checkinstall, you will see output telling you how to install the package

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iamlindoro:

uhhhhhhhhhhhh yes it was

[16:19:30]

iamlindoro:

trust me

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|Torg|:

checkinstall, in and of itself wont install, only a dpkg -i will

[16:19:45]

iamlindoro:

checkinstall on ubuntu installs the pkg

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Aval0n:

Done. The new package has been installed and saved to

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Aval0n:

gives a path

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iamlindoro:

:P

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Aval0n:

thanks a lot for your help iamlindoro

[16:20:19]

Aval0n:

you too torg

[16:20:22]

iamlindoro:

anyway, you should be all set

[16:20:26]

iamlindoro:

you're welcome

[16:20:28]

j2_:

Hm, when trying to add something in mythnews... it never gets saved. What might i be missing?

[16:20:42]

Aval0n:

so mythtv svn might be a bit more hairy eh?

[16:20:47]

iamlindoro:

only slightly

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Aval0n:

you have the time to help me on that? if not I understand.

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|Torg|:

you can svn mythtv and mythplugsin in the same way

[16:21:22]

iamlindoro:

I have a tiny little script that automates the couple of little steps, it's really not too painful

[16:21:30]

|Torg|:

you still need to know how to compile it tho

[16:21:38]

iamlindoro:

torg is correct

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Aval0n:

it's all the enable strings I'm worried about

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|Torg|:

be carefull with discc and ccahe tho, checkinstall things the cache files are part of the compile

[16:21:56]

iamlindoro:

meh, most things autodetect

[16:22:25]

iamlindoro:

for me, myth's configure line is simply sh configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-dvb --enable-xvmc --enable-opengl-vsync --enable-opengl-video

[16:22:27]

iamlindoro:

Not that bad

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Aval0n:

I just know I gotta do the --prefix=/usr

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Aval0n:

I think

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|Torg|:

and sometimes, mostly not, you can simply svn in an update and compile with just the new stuff. Most of the time you need to make clean first tho

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|Torg|:

just ./configure --previous

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Aval0n:

to install the mythtv svn would I need to remove the current mythtv packages?

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Aval0n:

hi kormoc

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iamlindoro:

You'd probably want to, yes

[16:24:51]

iamlindoro:

as long as you did just an apt-get remove mythtv, your database would stay

[16:25:05]

iamlindoro:

but I'd back it up regardless if you plan to do an upgrade to SVN

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|Torg|:

back it up, some pagaes I have seen have postinstall parts that drop the databse

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|Torg|:

not nice, but it does

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Aval0n:

I back it up daily

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|Torg|:

back it up anyway, every day at least

[16:27:03]

Aval0n:

iamlindoro: you have time to guide me through the mythtv svn?

[16:27:19]

Aval0n:

if you're too busy it's cool

[16:27:50]

iamlindoro:

aval0n, do a backup of your database, get mythtv and mythplugins modules checked out from SVN, and then we'll take a look at it

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|Torg|:

svn co http://cvs.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv

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|Torg|:

cd mythtv

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iamlindoro:

or, apprently torg wants to help you

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|Torg|:

configure --whatever

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Aval0n:

databaseis backed up

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|Torg|:

make

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|Torg|:

go eat lunch

[16:28:16]

Aval0n:

hahaha

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Aval0n:

ok 1 sec

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iamlindoro:

I figure that's him volunteering

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Aval0n:

torg's my buddy

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Aval0n:

:)

[16:28:29]

kormoc:

Mornin

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iamlindoro:

morning

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Aval0n:

he's only a state away haha

[16:28:41]

Aval0n:

good morning kormoc

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Aval0n:

let me remove the stuff

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iamlindoro:

aval0n, before you do

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iamlindoro:

do a locate mythbackend... is it in /usr/local/bin or /usr/bin?

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clever[rev]:

'type mythbackend' or 'which mythbackend' might be faster(only look in $PATH)

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clever[rev]:

and would show which comes first in PATH if several are found(ignoring rest)

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Aval0n:

let me look

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Aval0n:

/usr/bin

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iamlindoro:

ok

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iamlindoro:

so when you configure, use my line from above, but do --prefix=/usr

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Aval0n:

ok

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iamlindoro:

after you remove the ubuntu packages, that is

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clever[rev]:

i find the default prefix also works(but im also using a horidly abnormal one on half my frontends)

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|Torg|:

do ubu pacakges have a certain order, like knoppmyth ones?

[16:33:03]

Aval0n:

not sure

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Aval0n:

did a apt-get remove mythtv

[16:33:21]

iamlindoro:

that'll be fine

[16:33:21]

Aval0n:

isn't there a mythtv-plugin and mythtv-database I gotta blow away too?

[16:33:24]

clever[rev]:

last i used the mythtv packages i wound up with 0.18

[16:33:25]

iamlindoro:

no

[16:33:28]

iamlindoro:

leave that alone

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Aval0n:

mythtv-backend?

[16:33:38]

iamlindoro:

mythtv is a meta package containing the others

[16:33:43]

iamlindoro:

leave

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iamlindoro:

them

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Aval0n:

ok

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iamlindoro:

alone

[16:33:50]

Aval0n:

sorry :)

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clever[rev]:

its not actauly containing the others

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|Torg|:

just watch what it removes when you tell it to remove mythtv

[16:34:00]

clever[rev]:

it depends on the others(and drags them in)

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iamlindoro:

aval0n, what step are you on?

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Aval0n:

checking out the svn

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iamlindoro:

ok

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|Torg|:

if you watch it, it goes slower

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Aval0n:

hahah

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Aval0n:

done and i'm in the mythtv dir

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Aval0n:

sh configure --prefix=/usr --enable-dvb --enable-xvmc --enable-opengl-vsync --enable-opengl-video

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iamlindoro:

so anyway, a ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-dvb --enable-opengl-video --enable-xvmc --enable-opengl-vsync ought to work well for you

[16:37:03]

Aval0n:

ok stand by

[16:37:05]

iamlindoro:

yes, or your way, which is the same :)

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Aval0n:

hahah

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|Torg|:

while your downloadding the svn code you may want to isntall ccache too

[16:37:58]

iamlindoro:

when it's done, do a make, then install however you want, with either check install or make install

[16:37:59]

Aval0n:

the config is done

[16:38:03]

clever[rev]:

ccache can speed things up

[16:38:10]

iamlindoro:

Depending on your system, this could take a while

[16:38:12]

Aval0n:

ok so apt-get install ccache?

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clever[rev]:

yep

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|Torg|:

yes, it has drawbacks too

[16:38:23]

iamlindoro:

if you do that, make sure to reconfigure

[16:38:23]

clever[rev]:

(before you ./configure)

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|Torg|:

mostly that of checkinstal thinking its part of the package

[16:38:43]

Aval0n:

i was already at newest version

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|Torg|:

also it wont help you on the first compile, just every one after that

[16:38:56]

clever[rev]:

yep

[16:39:02]

Aval0n:

so make now?

[16:39:04]

iamlindoro:

aval0n, go ahead and make

[16:39:09]

clever[rev]:

|Torg|: also if your bouncing between 2 diff revisions ccache helps alot

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|Torg|:

confiugure will look for it, so make sure its installed befoer you run configure like clever said

[16:39:31]

iamlindoro:

while your waiting, you can open another terminal and check out mythplugins, but don't configure or make until myth is made and installed

[16:39:32]

Aval0n:

it was installed prior to the configure

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|Torg|:

then run make, depending on CPU, memory, to some extent disk speed, that compile can take anywher from 15 mins to about an hout

[16:40:24]

|Torg|:

like I said earlier, go eat lunch

[16:40:39]

iamlindoro:

jesus christ, too many freaking chefs in this kitchen. I'm done helping. Everyone is way too interested in the sound of their voice

[16:40:44]

clever[rev]:

'time make' is nearly identical to 'make'

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clever[rev]:

but when its done youll see how long it took

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Aval0n:

hahaha

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|Torg|:

and like clever said you cont confirue mythplugisn untill you install mythtv, so your not even done

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clever[rev]:

lol

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: thanks a lot man

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|Torg|:

sorry iamlindoro, I thoght you said to help him.

[16:42:22]

iamlindoro:

yup. Myth is the easy part, plugins will require some legwork. Offhand, I would go to synaptic right now and do searches for fttw, sdl, libvisual, libfaac and install anything that looks like those, and looks like those with a -dev after them

[16:42:25]

iamlindoro:

good luck

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iamlindoro:

also, go to the taglib home page and get a tarball and install that while you wait

[16:42:48]

iamlindoro:

bye for now

[16:43:12]

Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

bye man

[16:44:16]

Aval0n:

dang it my sone is watchin a dvd out there

[16:44:27]

Aval0n:

I'll have to wait till it's over to boot him off and get to synaptic

[16:44:34]

Aval0n:

then I'll have to hook up the keyboard

[16:44:35]

Aval0n:

lol

[16:45:30]

Aval0n:

can I just sudo apt-get install libmad0-dev libid3tag0-dev libvorbis-dev libflac-dev libcdaudio-dev libcdparanoia0-dev

[16:45:30]

Aval0n:

sudo apt-get install fftw3-dev libfaad2-dev libsmpeg-dev libmp4v2-dev libtag1-dev

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

but you need to get taglib from source, btw

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iamlindoro:

wget http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/files/src/taglib-1.4.tar.gz

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iamlindoro:

untar, cd taglib-blah-blah, ./configure, make, make install

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Aval0n:

what does taglib do?

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|Torg|:

libtag1-dev

[16:47:44]

|Torg|:

reas metadata from the audio files

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|Torg|:

aka ID3 tags

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iamlindoro:

hrm, lookit that, a package for it. Crazy

[16:48:57]

|Torg|:

aint apt-cache search cool

[16:50:17]

siXy:

|Torg|: that depends heavily on what distro you are running :)

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|Torg|:

yes siXy, I know.

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Flexy:

siXy: no, its cool in any case, you just can't use it on all distros :)

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Aval0n:

haha

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|Torg|:

also depends on how much you add or do not from your apt sources list, of course depnding on which distro you use again

[16:51:08]

siXy:

:)

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|Torg|:

besides yum sucks rocks

[16:52:00]

siXy:

##distrowars...

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Flexy:

is yum feeling dehydrated?

[16:52:09]

Flexy:

:D

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Flexy:

lol

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|Torg|:

its not a distro agurment, its a package manager argument

[16:52:32]

viridari:

yum is good. it's rpm that sucks rocks. and rpm packagers tend to suck even bigger rocks.

[16:52:58]

Aval0n:

I got all those libs installed

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Aval0n:

wget http://faac.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/fa . . . _int_types.h -P /usr/local/include

[16:53:00]

viridari:

pre-yum, rpm was almost unusable

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Aval0n:

and did that too

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|Torg|:

yum is great for downloading everything you want, and everything you dont as well

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|Torg|:

rpm is a nice idea, great in thoerym sucks in practice tho

[16:54:06]

|Torg|:

apt isnt much better btw

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** siXy uses rpm without yum all the time without any problems **

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viridari:

that's not yum's fault. that's the douchebag packagers that are to blame.

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|Torg|:

yes viridari, you can do the same with debs too

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siXy:

much easier than bos.xxx and smit

[16:55:16]

viridari:

for the record, I'm using ubuntu at home and mostly RHEL at work

[16:55:29]

viridari:

smit is evil

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siXy:

it all depends on what the alternatives are

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Aval0n:

torg how do I checkout the mythtv-plugins svn?

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|Torg|:

same as you did the mythtv, make SURE its the same branch

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|Torg|:

svn co http://cvs.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythplugins

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clever[rev]:

svn co http://cvs.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythplugins

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|Torg|:

only differnce is what you check out (co), the tail part

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|Torg|:

and BE SURE when you do, that its the same svn as the mythtv

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Aval0n:

how do you verify that

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|Torg|:

even if you JUST checked it out, I have been cought betwen revs

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|Torg|:

svn info

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Aval0n:

ok cool

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|Torg|:

it will even tell you when you checked it out what revsions it downloaded

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clever[rev]:

i made a script to svn update everything then configure it then make it

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|Torg|:

do not mix branches, do not mix revisions

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clever[rev]:

but thats for use after the checkout

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|Torg|:

if you need to make them the same, add -r on the svn

[16:58:50]

clever[rev]:

im mixing nearby revisions without any noticable problems

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Aval0n:

root@htpc:/home/aval0n# svn info

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Aval0n:

svn: '.' is not a working copy

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Aval0n:

root@htpc:/home/aval0n#

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clever[rev]:

cd mythtv;svn info

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Aval0n:

duh

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|Torg|:

you have to do it in the actal directory avalon

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Aval0n:

they are the same

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Aval0n:

14884

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|Torg|:

and yes clever, when svn is updated its done across the whole repository, its posible that an update can bump svn revs and not actualy change any code in what you are downloading

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|Torg|:

basicly when you did it and it didn not effect anything you were simply lucky

[17:00:14]

Aval0n:

ok then I'm going to make some breakfast for the kids while this compiles.

[17:00:15]

clever[rev]:

|Torg|: yeah, and sometimes the changes dont affect the abi between diff areas

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Flexy:

what is deciding the chanids in tables program and channel? when using xmltv grabber, that gets the program info from some website, it seems that its (mythfilldatabase) putting the program infos under wrong chanid in the database... new install, 0.20.2, from debian-multimedia... I might (propably) fucked up in some settings (mythfilldatabase --manual (the first time, as instructed in the setup)), but not sure where/what should have

[17:00:56]

|Torg|:

so sometimes it dosnt hurt, sometimes mythfrontend will fail to load any plugins becase revisions have changed, its best to simply keep them in synch

[17:01:07]

clever[rev]:

|Torg|: right now im staying on 14799 since it was segfaulting on startup past it

[17:01:23]

|Torg|:

im still running 14490

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|Torg|:

mostly becase it aint broke, well not enough to make me change

[17:01:54]

clever[rev]:

lol:)

[17:01:54]

clever[rev]:

in 14800 they did a ffmpeg sync

[17:01:54]

clever[rev]:

which doubles the bitrate of recirdings

[17:01:55]

Aval0n:

:)

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|Torg|:

Flexy: mythtfilldatabse looks it up by xmltvid, not chanid

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Flexy:

ahaa

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|Torg|:

clever[rev]: I use dvb cards, I dont care about that :)

[17:02:32]

clever[rev]:

it may affect your transcoding though

[17:02:37]

Flexy:

|Torg|: xmltvid, in what table?

[17:02:44]

Aval0n:

i wish I could pay for dish network and use dvb-s cards legit

[17:02:51]

|Torg|:

Flexy: if you REALLY want to know how chanid is made its the input id + channel number (well usualy)

[17:03:48]

Flexy:

|Torg|: not REALLY. just wondering why the epg does not show anything, even though there is data in the database

[17:03:50]

|Torg|:

Flexy: its in the channel table

[17:03:57]

Flexy:

ok

[17:04:02]

|Torg|:

epg. yo mean EIT?

[17:04:13]

|Torg|:

and Aval0n I use ATSC cards

[17:04:22]

Flexy:

|Torg|: no, sorry. the one coming from internet

[17:04:30]

Flexy:

from a website

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|Torg|:

xml tv listings are lited by xmltvid, they have to match whatever is in your channel table

[17:05:13]

Flexy:

ok, I'll have to check

[17:06:05]

|Torg|:

channum is simply the order in which thye are listed on the screen, channum is mythtvs intenal tacking of the channel, xmltvid is its link to tv listings via xml

[17:06:21]

Flexy:

|Torg|: ok, so the chanid inside tables program and channel have nothing to do with each others?

[17:07:00]

|Torg|:

so as you were asking before chanid is make up of inputid+channel number. For example my channel 8_1 is a ATSC channel off of tuners 1 and 2, its called 1081 in my channels

[17:07:06]

Flexy:

as in, for channel TV1 they don't have to be the same number in those two tables?

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|Torg|:

chanid is how myth tracks the channel, its in several tables. But as long as its unique and you consitantly use it there is no differnce from one to another

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Flexy:

ok...

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|Torg|:

speaking of ATSC I dont supose anyone knows why some broadcasters put non printable charactors in their channel tags

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Aval0n:

mythtv still compiling

[17:17:50]

Aval0n:

I responded to your pm torg

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|Torg|:

Aval0n: I told you if you watch it, it will go slower :P

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kdubya:

heh

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Aval0n:

i'm not watching, just periodicly checking

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gbee:

http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html

[17:25:49]

kdubya:

wow

[17:26:00]

kdubya:

seriously, a theme that looks different

[17:26:04]

kdubya:

what are you THINKING

[17:26:42]

kdubya:

really looks cool though

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gbee:

actually something differently _was_ what I was thinking ;) That was the entire reason for the theme, an experimentation in what can be done with the current UI, the fact that it doesn't look too bad is a bonus

[17:29:08]

kdubya:

yeah

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gbee:

might well be the only theme I ever create and one of the last themes written for the current UI code

[17:29:43]

kdubya:

you mean the new UI is not like 10 years away?

[17:29:49]

kdubya:

that was the impression i always got

[17:30:05]

gbee:

kdubya: hopefully not, I want to start work on the conversion next week

[17:30:17]

kdubya:

cool

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darkstorm:

can't linux handle 2 tv cards?

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|Torg|:

mostly I want mine to reliably play back video, without problems. The menu is just fluff

[17:30:44]

kdubya:

can you animate stuff in it without the flipbook stuff?

[17:31:00]

|Torg|:

darkstorm: yes, easily

[17:31:05]

darkstorm:

it can?

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|Torg|:

yes, well depends

[17:31:18]

darkstorm:

because my 2nd tv card has an damaged tuner but an remote

[17:31:24]

darkstorm:

and my 1st tv card no remote

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kdubya:

darkstorm, some people have like 5 tuners in one machine

[17:31:39]

darkstorm:

hm ...

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|Torg|:

I run 4 in mine, and thats becase I ran out of pci slots

[17:31:49]

kdubya:

your remote does not control the card

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darkstorm:

yeah i know

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darkstorm:

:)

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kdubya:

it controls the computer and tehc omputer controls the card

[17:32:00]

darkstorm:

thats the good thing ;)

[17:32:35]

darkstorm:

so it would be a better idea inserting the damaged card using the IR Remote instead of buying a new one – am i right? :P

[17:32:51]

|Torg|:

depends on what you want to do

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kdubya:

you could just build an IR reciever and dump the broken card altogether

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|Torg|:

I persoanly wouldnt put in a card just to use its IR remote, but then again I discount the value of remotes

[17:34:17]

|Torg|:

like kdubya said tho all it takes is a hadfull of hardware, even without serios skill you can assmemble an ir reciver fairly easily

[17:34:26]

|Torg|:

that and you can buy then for about $10

[17:36:02]

darkstorm:

what is my advantage of building a new ir reciever?

[17:36:56]

|Torg|:

not needing a pci card to use it? less power requiremnts? not wasting a slot? the feelign oc acomplishment you get when you build a piece of hardware yourself?

[17:37:51]

Aval0n:

torg I did another make clean and trying again

[17:37:59]

Aval0n:

I posted you the long old message in the PM

[17:38:12]

kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

upgrading to svn Aval0n?

[17:38:23]

Aval0n:

lol yeah

[17:38:27]

Aval0n:

how'de you guess :)

[17:38:50]

kdubya:

you having problems?

[17:38:56]

Aval0n:

yes

[17:39:00]

Aval0n:

checkinstall is bombing

[17:39:08]

kdubya:

i think i got lucky

[17:39:09]

Aval0n:

it's trying to overwrite strip

[17:39:10]

kdubya:

it just worked

[17:39:22]

kdubya:

yeah see i dont even know what that means

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Aval0n:

lol me either!

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|Torg|:

strip is a utility to remove object tags from binaires, makes then smaller

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kdubya:

heh

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|Torg|:

its a utitlity tho and chekinstall shoudl NOT be trying to overrite them

[17:40:42]

Aval0n:

trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/strip', which is also in package binutils

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Aval0n:

dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)

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Aval0n:

grrrrr

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Aval0n:

kdubya did you check install or make install?

[17:41:09]

kdubya:

make install

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|Torg|:

checkinstall is a script, go lok at it and find out why it wants to overwrite strip

[17:41:18]

|Torg|:

for that matter why it even uses it

[17:41:25]

kdubya:

im not on a debian based system though

[17:41:30]

kdubya:

i dont know what check install even is

[17:41:38]

|Torg|:

stripped binaries are a nice way to make core dumps unreadbale

[17:41:40]

Aval0n:

I'm sure make install would work for me too

[17:42:05]

|Torg|:

checkinstall is a script for creating packages

[17:42:13]

Aval0n:

should I just make install torg?

[17:42:21]

|Torg|:

yes avalon you can do that

[17:42:22]

Aval0n:

couldn't I just make uninstall if I had to?

[17:42:37]

Aval0n:

done

[17:42:40]

|Torg|:

IF the thing you are instaling HAS an uninstall and IF that uninstall really uninstalls everything

[17:42:49]

Aval0n:

true

[17:42:54]

Aval0n:

ok now onto plugins config

[17:43:18]

Aval0n:

cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory

[17:43:18]

Aval0n:

cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory

[17:43:23]

Aval0n:

this crap again!?

[17:44:11]

Aval0n:

Did you make AND install MythTV first?

[17:44:11]

Aval0n:

Are you using the correct prefix (/usr/local)?

[17:44:18]

Aval0n:

my prefix is /usr

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|Torg|:

Aval0n: this is on an unbunto box?

[17:44:28]

Aval0n:

yes

[17:44:41]

Aval0n:

./configure --prefix=/usr returns same error

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|Torg|:

is libc installed?

[17:44:58]

Aval0n:

woops

[17:44:59]

Aval0n:

there it goes

[17:45:01]

Aval0n:

typo

[17:45:21]

Aval0n:

everything says it will be built or included

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|Torg|:

I cant see hwo you compiiled mythtv without it, but there should be a file in /etc/ld.so.conf.d belonging to libc

[17:45:22]

Aval0n:

nothing is missing

[17:45:47]

Aval0n:

it still gave all those ld.so.conf.d errors but then it went on to configure

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|Torg|:

do you HAVE an /etc/ld.so.conf.d directlry?

[17:46:16]

Aval0n:

yes

[17:46:21]

|Torg|:

is there a file in it?

[17:46:46]

Aval0n:

yes i486-linux-gnu

[17:46:58]

|Torg|:

not .conf?

[17:47:03]

Aval0n:

nope

[17:47:13]

|Torg|:

its a bug in the configure script then, submit it

[17:48:35]

Aval0n:

other than that it says everything is included and will be built

[17:48:39]

Aval0n:

not missing anything

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|Torg|:

I would be concerd it failed to detect libc, but go on and compile it

[17:50:01]

Aval0n:

main.cpp:27:34: error: mythtv/mythpluginapi.h: No such file or directory

[17:50:01]

Aval0n:

make[2]: *** [main.o] Error 1

[17:50:08]

Aval0n:

i love it when shit breaks

[17:50:12]

Aval0n:

=/

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kdubya:

yeah that makes no sense

[17:50:49]

|Torg|:

it DOES make sence

[17:51:06]

kdubya:

to someone that knows what they are doing maybe

[17:51:15]

kdubya:

but knowing nothing, ill stick with it not making sense

[17:51:20]

Aval0n:

lol

[17:51:27]

Aval0n:

why'de it break torg

[17:51:39]

Aval0n:

why'de lol

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|Torg|:

well its looking fro a headder file, that file is part of mythtv not muthplugs (which is the part that dosnt make sence)

[17:52:22]

|Torg|:

it failed to find the file, ad jusging by its name it has to do with the api

[17:52:55]

|Torg|:

when you installed mythtv did you install its libs too?

[17:53:03]

** Aval0n starts to wonder if apt-get remove mythtv was a good idea **

[17:53:14]

Aval0n:

torg I belive so

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|Torg|:

when you installed mytht it shoudl have installed some libs, did it?

[17:55:44]

Aval0n:

yeah

[17:55:46]

Aval0n:

it did

[17:55:47]

Aval0n:

a tong

[17:55:49]

Aval0n:

ton

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Aval0n:

grrrr

[17:55:52]

|Torg|:

and when you compild mythtv did you tell it to use /usr as the prefix?

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Aval0n:

it didn't tell me to, I just did

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|Torg|:

is there a /usr/include/mythtv directory then?

[17:56:41]

Aval0n:

yes

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|Torg|:

is there a file /usr/include/mythtv/mythpluginapi.h

[17:57:11]

Aval0n:

no

[17:57:19]

Aval0n:

just mythplugin.h

[17:57:24]

|Torg|:

is there a file /usr/local/include/mythtv/mythpluginapi.h?

[17:57:54]

Aval0n:

no

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|Torg|:

run find / -name mythpluginapi.h

[17:58:27]

Aval0n:

just did an updatedb &

[17:58:32]

Aval0n:

i'll locate it in a sec

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|Torg|:

then locate it

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Aval0n:

root@htpc:/usr/local/include/mythtv# locate mythpluginapi.h

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Aval0n:

home/aval0n/mythtv/libs/libmyth/.svn/text-base/mythpluginapi.h.svn-base

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Aval0n:

home/aval0n/mythtv/libs/libmyth/mythpluginapi.h

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Aval0n:

that's it

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|Torg|:

go back to the mythtv directory and run make install again

[18:00:33]

Aval0n:

nothing to be done for make install

[18:00:40]

Aval0n:

and that file still isn't there

[18:01:14]

|Torg|:

run make uninstall then make install, pastebin the whole thing for me

[18:02:14]

Aval0n:

great my buffer doesn't run that far back

[18:02:39]

|Torg|:

at least look thought eh output and see if there were any errors on the install

[18:03:01]

Aval0n:

dont see any

[18:03:19]

|Torg|:

well there were, as the install should have installed the libs

[18:05:43]

Aval0n:

i'm gonna start over make clean reconfigure it and do it again

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Aval0n:

ok plugins are compling

[18:12:52]

|Torg|:

did the recompile fix it?

[18:14:04]

gbee:

added a couple more alternative colour schemes: http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html

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Aval0n:

yes

[18:14:47]

Aval0n:

recompile fixed

[18:16:24]

kdubya:

ehehm

[18:16:25]

kdubya:

orange

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|Torg|:

intersting, its not really a compile issue but rahter an install one

[18:16:57]

|Torg|:

still tho, im glad it worked

[18:17:07]

Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

odd

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Aval0n:

linux sure is a long way off from being a desktop replacment imo

[18:19:14]

Aval0n:

I mean I guess svn isn't for average users but still

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kdubya:

why?

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GreyFoxx:

[12:12pm] QUIT: #Mythtv-users ol_schoola(Read error: ava: That totally depends on WHO your desktop user is

[18:19:52]

GreyFoxx:

errr

[18:19:54]

Aval0n:

for instance I installed ubuntu fiesty which is one more the more desktop oriented distros

[18:19:59]

GreyFoxx:

Aval0n: That totally depends on WHO your desktop user is

[18:20:01]

|Torg|:

Aval0n: ever download sorce code from microsoft and compile it?

[18:20:06]

Aval0n:

my sound modules were broken at install

[18:20:18]

GreyFoxx:

I've been happily using it as a destop for 9 years

[18:20:20]

kdubya:

the only reason i have a windows install is because these retarded corospondance courses require IE

[18:20:34]

Aval0n:

I had to go and add entries to modules at the command line to get the sound working fully

[18:20:40]

GreyFoxx:

now if you mean an "replacement for windows to work for 99% of existing windows users) then I would agree

[18:20:52]

|Torg|:

99% no

[18:20:57]

|Torg|:

about 75% id say

[18:21:13]

Aval0n:

i love it

[18:21:23]

Aval0n:

but there is a lot of time where you have to upgrade kernels

[18:21:25]

GreyFoxx:

Personally I'm perfectly happy with the way it is now.

[18:21:27]

Aval0n:

look at firewire support

[18:21:34]

Aval0n:

until just recently...

[18:21:36]

|Torg|:

even lower if you consider the trucly computer illiterate who simply use their computers to read email and look at web pages

[18:21:41]

Aval0n:

wireless adapters are a nightmare

[18:21:55]

Aval0n:

I had to add a script to 'wakeup the usb port' or it would just stay black

[18:22:01]

Aval0n:

just lots of little things like that

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Aval0n:

windows users wouldn't know what to do

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|Torg|:

and Aval0n you dont HAVE to upgrae anything

[18:22:22]

GreyFoxx:

Aval0n: Then they should stay with windows :)

[18:22:26]

|Torg|:

people upgrade software becase they want new features, or want more staibity

[18:22:33]

|Torg|:

often times it does the opposite

[18:22:38]

|Torg|:

if it aint broke......

[18:22:53]

GreyFoxx:

many upgrade beccause they just want a bigger version#

[18:22:58]

GreyFoxx:

and that's just wrong

[18:23:11]

|Torg|:

because bigger is better :)

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GreyFoxx:

You update for new (required) features, and bug fixes. nothing more

[18:23:58]

Aval0n:

torg I'm not even referring to upgrading

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Aval0n:

just getting to work out of the box

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GreyFoxx:

when I see "Admins" who have their systems auto update in the middle of the night, I find that scary as hell

[18:24:12]

Aval0n:

anyway I love it and a lot of ppl could be fine

[18:24:17]

GreyFoxx:

they end up with boken systems all the time

[18:24:18]

Aval0n:

def not knocking it

[18:24:40]

BULLE:

GreyFoxx: ye, its insane if its something more then just a playbox

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Aval0n:

ok mythtv and plugins are all installed

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|Torg|:

Aval0n: that depends greatly on hardsware, specifclly on the tendancy to use brain dead cheap hardware that throws its computing needs on a CPU (ie reqires specifc drivers)

[18:25:04]

|Torg|:

stay away from cheap hardware, and linux works

[18:25:16]

kdubya:

if you only upgrade for something that you really need then there is a bigger jump up to the next version when there is something added that you need

[18:25:22]

|Torg|:

try usless piece of hardware like chep modem and guess what happend

[18:25:23]

Aval0n:

my 80 dollar linksys wireless-G adapter was the biggest pain in the arse to get working on here

[18:25:29]

GreyFoxx:

kdubya: So ?

[18:25:32]

Aval0n:

and it was an ac97 sound chip on my asus motherboard

[18:25:35]

kdubya:

so, that can break stuff too

[18:25:36]

Aval0n:

I didn't cheap on the hardware anywhere

[18:26:02]

GreyFoxx:

kdubya: Yes, but I'll take long periods of stability, with brief update hiccups over constant updates and constant update hiccups

[18:26:07]

Aval0n:

but like I said I love linux, not knocking it :)

[18:26:17]

BULLE:

Aval0n: wireless was/is a horror in linux, just avoid buying stuff that contains chips that are built by american companies, and go for say realtek instead ( they provide gpl drivers themselves )

[18:26:30]

Aval0n:

that's cool

[18:26:39]

BULLE:

hmm, actualy i think intel does provide gpl drivers now aswell

[18:26:41]

Aval0n:

bb

[18:26:44]

GreyFoxx:

IT's too bad more of the wireless companies are so stingy with their dos

[18:26:51]

iamben:

BULLE: you say that as though you can tell which chip is used by looking at the box =) most of the time, you can not

[18:26:53]

BULLE:

eg, fully opensrouce, no need for proprietary firmware

[18:26:59]

BULLE:

iamben: ye, you need to google

[18:27:14]

iamben:

BULLE: there are so many revisions of each card you can't be sure until you get it

[18:27:19]

iamben:

speaking from experience

[18:27:29]

BULLE:

iamben: i just ask in the store ....

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iamben:

what kind of store do you go to that they even know what a chipset IS?

[18:27:52]

BULLE:

iamben: oh, just local smaller shops

[18:28:12]

iamben:

and opening the box isnt enough either since they've got all the chips covered by the little shield

[18:28:14]

BULLE:

iamben: there are a few big ones aswell, but they always have 1 week open return policy etc, so one can buy, plug it in, and check it out and return it if its the wrong revisions

[18:28:17]

shaggyoaf:

Hi, everybody. I'm setting up a myth box and I'm running mythtv-setup. The capture card setup screen seems to have auto-detected the right stuff but the channel-scanner says it failed to open the card

[18:28:33]

shaggyoaf:

anybody know how I might diagnose that apparent conflict?

[18:28:39]

Aval0n:

hey torg check PM

[18:28:49]

kdubya:

you need to add a channel list shaggyoaf

[18:29:04]

kdubya:

from schedules direct or something like that

[18:29:39]

shaggyoaf:

kdubya, I thought I had done that

[18:30:00]

kdubya:

did you assign the channels to that tuner?

[18:30:06]

kdubya:

you have to do that before you scan

[18:30:17]

kdubya:

which is a bug i would think

[18:30:28]

GreyFoxx:

shaggyoaf: What kind of card ?

[18:30:29]

shaggyoaf:

kdubya, in the "video source setup" page I selected schedulesdirect in listings grabber, put in my pass and it didn't give me any errors when I hit "retrieve lineups"

[18:30:36]

shaggyoaf:

GreyFoxx, PVR-150

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kdubya:

you dont need to scan with that card

[18:30:45]

shaggyoaf:

kdubya, how do I assign the channels to that tuner

[18:30:47]

GreyFoxx:

You don't need to scan

[18:30:52]

shaggyoaf:

oh, ok

[18:30:58]

kdubya:

scanning is for digital

[18:31:00]

shaggyoaf:

ok

[18:31:24]

shaggyoaf:

so I can skip the channel editor part of the setup?

[18:31:26]

GreyFoxx:

After adding the info to mythtv-setup you need to run mythfilldatabase to suckdown the channel+program info and populate the databsae

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shaggyoaf:

ok, I can do that

[18:32:15]

GreyFoxx:

As long as the schedulesdirect username and pass are correct it should pull down all the info

[18:32:26]

GreyFoxx:

first run can take several minutes though

[18:32:47]

shaggyoaf:

huh, getting a 401, unauthorized from schedulesdirect

[18:32:52]

** shaggyoaf checks their website **

[18:33:20]

GreyFoxx:

paste the error and the lines around it to www.pastebin.ca

[18:33:37]

shaggyoaf:

GreyFoxx, no, I'm pretty sure this is because I haven't paid them yet

[18:33:49]

GreyFoxx:

You get 7 days as a trial period

[18:33:59]

shaggyoaf:

GreyFoxx, I didn't immediately see a place to enter a card # so I was hoping that meant I get a trial period

[18:34:01]

shaggyoaf:

...oh, ok

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shaggyoaf:

ah, I had to add a "lineup" it looks like it pulled it down this time

[18:36:50]

shaggyoaf:

GreyFoxx, kdubya: thanks :)

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shaggyoaf:

er... how many files should it try to grab from schedulesdirect?

[18:43:27]

shaggyoaf:

it's on its fifth or sixth one now

[18:43:36]

shaggyoaf:

is that normal, or does it mean it's failing over and over?

[18:44:07]

|Torg|:

no its normal

[18:44:28]

shaggyoaf:

|Torg|, ok, cool... How many will it do?

[18:44:40]

|Torg|:

mythfilldatabase, depending on the speed of the server you get listings from, can take a considerable ammount of time

[18:44:47]

|Torg|:

depends on how many channels you have as well

[18:44:49]

shaggyoaf:

heh, yeah

[18:45:02]

shaggyoaf:

I'm thinking it's more hampered by the speed of my mythbox

[18:45:04]

|Torg|:

up to as many as days as you told it to go back, usualy 14

[18:45:18]

shaggyoaf:

it's maxing out all its 500 Mhz to do this :P

[18:45:19]

|Torg|:

its more haperd by how many people use SD

[18:45:35]

|Torg|:

and the load on the box is mysql, the large inserts you are doing

[18:45:52]

shaggyoaf:

oh, the files are coming in in a few seconds, it's about five minutes of processing before it grabs the next file :)

[18:45:59]

|Torg|:

you are doing a database load, one of, if not the most, stressful thing you can do to a database

[18:46:05]

** shaggyoaf nods **

[18:46:12]

shaggyoaf:

oh, I understand

[18:46:29]

|Torg|:

im usualy happy if SD can give me over 15k

[18:46:48]

shaggyoaf:

I seem to be getting about 75

[18:46:50]

|Torg|:

err 15K

[18:47:03]

shaggyoaf:

maybe it's a good time of day for it

[18:47:06]

|Torg|:

mine bursts usually back and forth

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|Torg|:

but mostly its set on automatic so I dunno if it took 10 minutes last night or 4 hours. I was asleep and dont really care either way

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darkstorm:

what button is the play button for the myth-music plugin?

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|Torg|:

enter

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darkstorm:

doesnt work how funny...

[18:58:01]

darkstorm:

removed my second sound card so i only have one

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darkstorm:

configured this one

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darkstorm:

it is working under linux

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darkstorm:

but no sound..

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Anynomous:

We consider using MythTV as Mediacenter .. with a HVR3000 (hauppauge) ... only the analog tuner is known to work. How is our chance of success .. I checked the wiki and the card isn't mentioned!

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shaggyoaf:

Anynomous, check the ivtv website to see what they have to say about your card

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Aval0n:

torg there?

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Aval0n:

anyone know where the deinterlacing options are in trunk?

[19:10:09]

shaggyoaf:

Anynomous, ivtv is the driver you'll use if your card is supported

[19:10:16]

Aval0n:

not under playback settings anymore..

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darkstorm:

i'm getting mad – no sound in music – the TV is damn bad quality, i'm to stupid for channel switching...

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Yahooadam:

.....

[19:12:13]

Yahooadam:

is the sound issue only in mythmusic?

[19:12:21]

Yahooadam:

can you play said music tracks in another application

[19:12:40]

Yahooadam:

As to TV quality, that depends on the TV tuner mostly, and if you transcode it, your settings

[19:13:13]

shaggyoaf:

darkstorm, that was one of the most inactionable statements I've ever seen on an IRC help channel. We can't help you with those things, do you have a question?

[19:13:58]

darkstorm:

shaggyoaf, i know that noone is able to help me with this question – it was just a "cry-out"

[19:14:09]

shaggyoaf:

darkstorm, heh, ok. well I understand that one :)

[19:14:13]

darkstorm:

;)

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Aval0n:

so no one knows where the deinterlacing options are in SVN?

[19:14:36]

shaggyoaf:

darkstorm, what distro are you using under myth?

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darkstorm:

sidux so – debian sid

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darkstorm:

Yahooadam, i'm able to play music in amarok and any other music tool

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H00chster:

the deinterlacing options in Trunk are in Utilities/Setup – Setup – TV Settings – TV Playback I believe is the place

[19:15:04]

H00chster:

going off memory

[19:15:15]

Aval0n:

I looked there

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Aval0n:

nothing

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

that's where they used to be

[19:15:35]

Aval0n:

I saw some CPU+ CPU++ CPU-- stuff

[19:15:39]

Aval0n:

dunno wtf that's all about

[19:15:41]

darkstorm:

i'll leave you for a while – eating is more important than a running htpc :)

[19:15:53]

H00chster:

are you looking to mod the default profiles? ya they are still there you are just used to seeing the settings there, you have to go in and edit the actual CPU+ or whatnot if you wanna change them up

[19:15:56]

darkstorm:

see you soon – but if you'll write an answer i'll read it for sure

[19:15:59]

H00chster:

same place though if I recall correctly

[19:16:46]

H00chster:

I by no means know anything about what is proper and such for the settings heh I just know where they are lol

[19:16:53]

H00chster:

I still have yet to tweak mine properly for everything

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Aval0n:

hehe thanks man

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H00chster:

np gl

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Anynomous:

shaggyoaf, why can't we use the V4L driver?

[19:18:32]

Aval0n:

grrr

[19:18:36]

Aval0n:

the screen just went black on me

[19:18:45]

Aval0n:

does mythtv trunk not respect dpms anymore?

[19:18:54]

Aval0n:

or the otherway I guess.

[19:19:02]

Aval0n:

I was moving around the menus and it faded to black

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shaggyoaf:

Anynomous, never heard of it, but I'm hardly an expert

[19:19:22]

shaggyoaf:

Anynomous, my myth box doesn't even work yet :)

[19:20:02]

Anynomous:

shaggyoaf, same here, but I guess you could tell. ;)

[19:20:11]

iamlindoro:

ivtv = driver, V4L = The framework that driver exists in

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shaggyoaf:

doh, iamlindoro beat me by mere seconds

[19:20:38]

iamlindoro:

ivtv will NOT necessarily be the driver that runs your card

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Anynomous:

iamlindoro, Ahh thanks! .. but the code is on the V4L site, right?

[19:20:46]

** shaggyoaf read some stuff on the V4L website **

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iamlindoro:

And, I believe, HVR-3000 is only supported in dvb-experimental

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Anynomous:

I downloaded some code yesterday ...

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H00chster:

I put in settings in the xorg.conf to keep mine from blacking out Aval0n 1 sec will pull the settings

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Anynomous:

had to fix something to make it compile .. but I dont think I fixed it properly.

[19:21:23]

iamlindoro:

yes, linuxtv.org is the place to look for any card to find out whether it is supported

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H00chster:

Section "ServerFlags"

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H00chster:

Option "blank time" "0"

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H00chster:

Option "standby time" "0"

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H00chster:

Option "suspend time" "0"

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H00chster:

Option "off time" "0"

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H00chster:

EndSection

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H00chster:

is what I use Aval0n

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iamlindoro:

So by default, HVR-3000 requiring patching/experimental drivers instantly reduces the liklihood of it working in myth... but it's not impossible that it will

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Anynomous:

OK .. I guess that means it is supported somewhat, iamlindoro

[19:22:42]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, but you won't find it easy to get someone to help you, since it's an oddball setup

[19:22:54]

iamlindoro:

And you'd likely be the only one running it here

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iamlindoro:

Wouldn't know where to begin

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Anynomous:

OK .. I thought it was a commonly used card.

[19:23:20]

iamlindoro:

Evidently not in linux

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kdubya:

it is just so new

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iamlindoro:

certainly not here

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kdubya:

it takes time for the hippies to write the drivers

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iamlindoro:

^^^ affirmative

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Anynomous:

I guess I should try to download the code again, but I dont know how to check if the driver actually works ... not to mention how to setup MythTV!

[19:24:19]

iamlindoro:

well output from dmesg is probably a good start

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iamlindoro:

plus you need to make sure you're modprobing whatever the driver is

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Anynomous:

dmesg seems to be happy .. except I am not sure what all the stuff means.

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iamlindoro:

happy or not, there would be a message there that your driver is being loaded successfully

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iamlindoro:

or unsuccessfully

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Anynomous:

Lemme check

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iamlindoro:

another dead giveaway is whether there are any /dev/video or /dev/dvb devices (presuming you don't have another card)

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iamlindoro:

although them being there doesn't mean they work

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Anynomous:

I get errors with dvb .. and dont get /dev/dvb .. but then again .. we dont have digital television here anyhow ...

[19:26:54]

iamlindoro:

OR, you could just return that POS and get a card that actually works properly

[19:27:08]

kdubya:

im sure its not a POS

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

it just doesnt have drivers

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iamlindoro:

so, odds are your module is broken or not loading properly... and since I don't know of anyone else using it, you may be out of luck finding support on it

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Anynomous:

iamlindoro, I have asked before which card is optimal for MythTV .. but there doesn't seem to be a common take on it. I need the card for analog stuff only .. high quality and as many tuners as Myth likes to play with.

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iamlindoro:

PVR-150

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iamlindoro:

case closed

[19:28:31]

iamlindoro:

or a PVR 500

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iamlindoro:

for two tuners in one card

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iamlindoro:

well supported, probably the most broadly used cards for analog

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BULLE:

iamlindoro: well if you only have dvb its not so much of a choice

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Anynomous:

hehehe .. but if I buy PVR-150 .. I risc getting PVR-1600, which seems to be unsupported for good. I guess PVR-500 is ok .. though I'd like 3 tuners.

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iamlindoro:

anynomous, are you on a dvb system?

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Anynomous:

No .. we dont have digital broadcast here yet.

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iamlindoro:

And I don't know of any supported card with three tuners, although that doesn't mean they don't exist

[19:30:06]

iamlindoro:

So sounds like a PVR-500

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iamlindoro:

oh, and I think HVR-1600 support is actually available now via patch

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iamlindoro:

could be wrong, though

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iamlindoro:

BULLE: You're right, I was making the assumption he wasn't on DVB

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Anynomous:

HVR3000 has 3 tuners ... its supposed to work somewhat with the experimental driver .. it would be nice to get it to work .. cause the PVR-500 is actually more expensive .. plus I need to pay for shipping if I should choose to return it.

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iamlindoro:

Well, gonna be tough to find someone to help you make it work, since none of us have it, as I have said... You should contact the patch writer

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iamlindoro:

He'd probably have the best chance of helping to make it work

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Anynomous:

Can I paste the dmesg output somewhere and get an opinion on it?

[19:33:20]

iamlindoro:

pastebin.ca

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rcohen:

i went through the editing process and set a program to do a lossless transcode (on an mpeg4 file) and it completely mangled the video, has anyone seen this or know any config i can tweak to work around it?

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BenB:

anybody here, prefereably from germany, who knows how to get encrypted programs (from Premiere) running? it worked already, but then I put it in another card, and it didn't work, and now I put it back in the old card, and it doesn't work again and I can't get it to work again. I let it sit for hours on the encrypted channel (or tried to), but nothing.

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Anynomous:

iamben, thanks

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iamlindoro:

rcohen, does mythtranscode even support lossless transcode of MP4?

[19:34:12]

Anynomous:

http://pastebin.ca

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rcohen:

it claims to

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cesman:

BenB: doesn't matter where you are from. The discuss of such items isn't welcomed in the channel.

[19:34:43]

iamlindoro:

anynomous, you're going to have to give the link of *your* pastebin, heh

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rcohen:

iam: there's a "lossless transcode" option under the "autodetect mpeg" transcoder

[19:34:57]

Anynomous:

http://pastebin.ca/778609

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jadz:

When using the Internal player for MythVideo, I can't seem to override it stretching the video to fit the full 4:3 screen. I have read that the MythTV settings are what determine the video scaling, but I can't seem to change it from 4:3 stretched. I can cycle through the options using the 'w' key, but still no luck. Any thoughts?

[19:35:01]

iamlindoro:

Right, but I've only ever seen it work with MP2

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BenB:

cesman: huch? how so? people discuss everything here up to speed limits. and it is very relevant to mythtv, because mythtv needs to drive the CA and pass data to it.

[19:35:32]

rcohen:

iamlindoro: so that option is known to be broken?

[19:36:14]

iamlindoro:

No, I'm just saying I haven't ever heard of a lossless MP4 transcode in Myth. :) And that I know it to work properly on MP2, so my first suggestion was that it doesn't support MP$

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cesman:

BenB: I don't make the rules.

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rcohen:

iamlindoro: well it's certainly trying, if the logs are any indication

[19:37:08]

iamlindoro:

May well be supported, just hadn't seen it done before

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rcohen:

iamlindoro: also, given the speed with which it does the job, there's no way it can be reencoding

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BenB:

cesman: I have never heard of such a rule, where is it written? (note that I am a developer)

[19:37:19]

iamlindoro:

Check trac for bugs

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jadz:

Is the solution just to use MPlayer instead?

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BenB:

cesman: in any case, it may very well be caused by or related to mythtv, and I'm desperate, because the provider understandably can'T help me.

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pooyak:

hi there

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pooyak:

I'm on my way to buy a pvr-150 for my ubuntu box

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iamlindoro:

anynomous, go back, get full dmesg output for that time period, there's some missing stuff that might be relevant

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pooyak:

now just deciding whether I should get a MCE or non-MCE one

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kdubya:

get the cheaper one

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pooyak:

any sugesstions?

[19:39:18]

iamlindoro:

pooyak, if you want a remote and ir blaster, get MCE

[19:39:35]

cesman:

BenB: MythTV doesn't work w/ encrypted data. Any means to do so isn't a welcomed discussion in the channel. Please respect that.

[19:39:37]

iamlindoro:

also, MCE cards (some models) have RCA audio in instead of minijack, which is better

[19:39:52]

pooyak:

iamlindoro, i was thinking about that but read some posts about people unable to get lirc to work with MCE remote

[19:40:14]

BenB:

cesman: huch? of course it does. it has explicit support for CAs, in dvbci.* in the code. and I am talking about that.

[19:40:16]

iamlindoro:

pooyak, quite the opposite... people are retarded. MCEusb is one of the *easiest* remotes to make work

[19:40:20]

pooyak:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=512799

[19:40:25]

pooyak:

oh cool

[19:40:27]

BenB:

cesman: I am not talking about "software CA" / cracking

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pooyak:

and the machine I am using only has usb 1.1, I assume that should be fine

[19:40:54]

iamlindoro:

pooyak, yes, it's a low speed device so no worries

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BULLE:

cesman: bullshit, mythtv works with encrypted services very well

[19:41:33]

cesman:

I guess in German, encrypted channel doesn't mean encrypted data. My apologies.

[19:41:45]

iamlindoro:

pooyak, lots of people have trouble with mceusb, but lots of people can't follow a simple faq. PLUS, if you're running gutsy, it's as simple as plugging it in, and doing apt-get install dialog lirc and choosing the right remote from a dialog.

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cesman:

BULLE: There is no need for that....

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pooyak:

yes, i have gutsy

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BULLE:

cesman: just buy the right hardware, buy a subscription, insert the smartcard in the reader, and off you go ( if you live where i live for example, where we use dvb )

[19:42:21]

pooyak:

and a geforce 6200

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rcohen:

for the record, my problem is a known bug: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2854

[19:42:39]

iamlindoro:

oh, and once you have myth installed, doing a apt-get install mythbuntu-lirc-generator helps too

[19:42:40]

BenB:

BULLE: do you have any hints on what I need to do to get my smartcard activated and working?

[19:42:54]

pooyak:

ok. see you guys in a couple of hours then. yay! i'm excited

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BULLE:

BenB: exactly what hardware is it you have ?

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iamlindoro:

pooyak, yes, that geforce will be fine

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BULLE:

BenB: im using a Technotrend C-1500 with extra CI module and a Conax CAM, to watch encrypted DVB-C here

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BenB:

BULLE: TT-Budget/S-1500 PCI, with CI, AlphaCrypt Light CAM, and Premiere S02 smartcard

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BenB:

BULLE: the other, new card is a SkyStar HD (= TT-3200) with CI

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BULLE:

BenB: dunno realy, all i ever did was install the hardware, plug in the smartcard, load the drivers, and it has always worked for me

[19:45:12]

iamlindoro:

rcohen, did you see the workaround?

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BULLE:

BenB: might it have something to do with card pairing etc ? eg a card pairs itself with a certain cam

[19:45:23]

BenB:

BULLE: normal kernel drivers on the old card, the new multiproto drivers on the new card (and different machine)

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pooyak:

bye

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rcohen:

iamlindoro: they're a bit on the incomplete side

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rcohen:

i'll poke around in the config to see if i can make sense of them

[19:46:08]

iamlindoro:

Heh.... Perhaps it's fixed with new ffmpeg sync?

[19:46:09]

BULLE:

BenB: tried to use the dvb debuging tools, to just see what the dvb driver thinks of the incomming data ?

[19:46:12]

BenB:

BULLE: yes, there must be something like that, and there's an "activation" procedure with the provider Premiere, and they say need to let it on the channel for an hour etc... I just don't know how all that works.

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BULLE:

BenB: you got a settop box aswell ?

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rcohen:

when did the new ffmpeg sync go in?

[19:46:28]

iamlindoro:

I see it's tagged .20, so wonder if it's fixed in trunk

[19:46:32]

iamlindoro:

last monday I believe

[19:46:39]

BenB:

BULLE: I do, but no means to connect it to TV

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BULLE:

BenB: if so, plug that in, and insert the card there, and let it wait for an hour or so

[19:46:46]

rcohen:

i am at the mercy of livna's packages right now

[19:46:57]

BULLE:

BenB: well, you might not need to actualy connect it to the tv i guess

[19:47:03]

BULLE:

BenB: as long as you can connect it to the cable

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rcohen:

no idea if they're tracking trunk or waiting for a .21 release

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BenB:

BULLE: hm, I'll try that....

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BULLE:

time for supper here

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BULLE:

so im gone

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BenB:

BULLE: do you have any idea whether the card loses the "pairing" or "activation" when you switch cards?

[19:47:36]

BenB:

BULLE: ok... thanks!

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clever[rev]:

rcohen: in revision 14800 ffmpeg in trunk was synced

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: you there?

[19:49:18]

iamlindoro:

yup

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Aval0n:

hey man

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Aval0n:

got mythtv installed

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Aval0n:

everything is workin.

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iamlindoro:

good!

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Anynomous:

iamlindoro, http://pastebin.ca/778627

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Aval0n:

had to get used to the cpu+ ++ — stuff

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Aval0n:

or still trying I guess

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Aval0n:

the only weird thing it does, is if i'm in the menus a long time the screen fades to black

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iamlindoro:

I have a high end system so I just have it set to ++

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Anynomous:

iamlindoro, full output from dmesg

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Aval0n:

I put it to ++ as well

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Aval0n:

i have it set to fade to black but on activity it's supposed to stop

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Aval0n:

it did stop on .20.2

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Aval0n:

but I move the remote all over the menus and it keeps fading :)

[19:50:59]

Anynomous:

iamlindoro, I reinserted one of the modules, cx8800 .. I wanted to reinsert cx88xx also .. but its in use.

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Aval0n:

guess I'll just have to use screen blank and turn off the screen save for fade

[19:51:07]

iamlindoro:

Anynomous, looks like the analog side is working... that's all you were expecting, right?

[19:51:22]

iamlindoro:

ie, you should have a /dev/video0 right now

[19:51:28]

Anynomous:

iamlindoro, Right ... we dont have digital yet .. yeah I do.

[19:51:34]

Aval0n:

iamlindoro: that mplayer still just goes straight to video though. is there a flag you have to pass to it to load dvd menus?

[19:51:37]

iamlindoro:

so then you're probably ok

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iamlindoro:

aval0n, would have to check

[19:51:52]

Aval0n:

I can google

[19:51:54]

Aval0n:

thanks man

[19:51:59]

Aval0n:

just wanted to say thanks for you help again

[19:52:01]

Anynomous:

iamlindoro, I tried tvtime ... but I didn't manage to find any broadcast yet. But good news :)

[19:52:08]

iamlindoro:

no problem, glad it's working...

[19:52:17]

Aval0n:

you know what was weird during the install though... mythtv svn wouldn't checkinstall

[19:52:23]

Aval0n:

kept breaking saying it couldn't overwrite strip

[19:52:26]

Aval0n:

so I just did make install

[19:52:29]

Anynomous:

iamlindoro, I guess the reason Myth can't scan channels will be solved by a study of the documentation?

[19:53:08]

iamlindoro:

anynomous, Usual reasons for no scan of channels are 1) set up as wrong card type 2) wrong modulation 3) Bad connection

[19:53:23]

iamlindoro:

4) some a-hole in the room chimes in with their random reason it might not work

[19:53:43]

Anynomous:

hehe

[19:53:45]

cmoates:

It might not work because there are too many twinkies in the closet

[19:53:49]

cmoates:

:)

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Aval0n:

coax in wrong connector

[19:54:00]

Aval0n:

there :)

[19:54:01]

iamlindoro:

Quod Erat Demonstratum

[19:54:02]

Aval0n:

4)

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Anynomous:

;-)

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** Aval0n dances around as the some a-hole **

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Aval0n:

:P

[19:54:34]

Aval0n:

anyway thanks iamlindoro I'm out for a bit.

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iamlindoro:

I'll remember that next time your shit breaks

[19:54:40]

iamlindoro:

heh

[19:54:41]

iamlindoro:

seeya

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Aval0n:

I really appretiate you taking the time to help me out

[19:54:44]

Aval0n:

lol

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Anynomous:

Aval0n, google bofl and you'll find a lot of reasons :)

[19:55:02]

Aval0n:

hehe

[19:55:04]

Anynomous:

Aval0n, bofh, even. :)

[19:55:10]

Aval0n:

bye

[19:55:31]

Aval0n:

bastard operator from hell?

[19:55:33]

Aval0n:

:P

[19:55:34]

Anynomous:

hehe :)

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Anynomous:

'bofh excuses' :)

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iamlindoro:

anynomous, you set it up as card type MPEG-2 Encoder, right? Not v4l card?

[20:00:44]

iamlindoro:

in mythtv-setup

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Anynomous:

iamlindoro, nope

[20:01:19]

Anynomous:

iamben, as v4l

[20:01:25]

iamlindoro:

Well that may be your issue

[20:01:25]

Anynomous:

iamlindoro, as v4l

[20:01:43]

Anynomous:

Why MPEG-2? THe card codes the signal as mpeg-2 ?

[20:01:47]

iamlindoro:

Looks like it should be set as MPEG-2 Encoder card type

[20:01:53]

iamlindoro:

yes, as do the pvr-150 and pvr-500

[20:02:12]

iamlindoro:

and 250, and 350, and blh blah most of the Huappauge cards

[20:02:24]

Anynomous:

hehe ok ... I am pretty new to this stuff :)

[20:02:46]

iamlindoro:

PS, HVR-3000 is a Tri-MODE card, NOT a triple tuner

[20:03:17]

iamlindoro:

Can tune three *types* of signal, DVB-S, DVB-T, Analogue... not three at once.

[20:03:30]

Anynomous:

oh

[20:03:43]

iamlindoro:

versus PVR-500 = Two at once

[20:04:01]

iamlindoro:

That Said, it's possible it can do two at once

[20:04:08]

iamlindoro:

One type of DVB and one analogue

[20:04:43]

iamlindoro:

But definitely *not* more than one analogue stream at once

[20:05:00]

Anynomous:

I just tried to set it as mpeg-2 .... it doesn't seem to recognize the card unless I set it to V4L record card.

[20:06:04]

iamlindoro:

Ah... In that case your drivers are probably still broken

[20:06:28]

iamlindoro:

Because per the product page, it should be a MP2 Encoder card

[20:06:31]

BULLE:

ye, or atleast in a basic state where they just give you framebuffer access

[20:07:00]

iamlindoro:

^^^ agreed

[20:08:16]

riddlebox:

hrmm is there any ways to tweak the way that mythtv does commercial skipping, it is cutting off some time which means I am missing some of the show?

[20:08:42]

iamlindoro:

riddlebox, yeah, there are some tweaks, should be in TV Playback settings

[20:08:54]

riddlebox:

ok cool thanks

[20:08:58]

iamlindoro:

anynomous, give a link to the place you got patches/source for your card

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iamlindoro:

riddlebox, page 7/9 on Playback Settings, fast forward/rewind reposition amount

[20:13:25]

iamlindoro:

and page 8, Commercial Skip Auto-rewind amount

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iamlindoro:

Actually, excuse me, only the latter

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riddlebox:

I will check it out

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Anynomous:

iamlindoro, I think I'll try the new drivers .. they updated the source code ... maybe they fixed the error I had to fix myself.

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iamlindoro:

ok

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Anynomous:

iamlindoro, I just looked up the a changeset for the code that suggest my change to the code wasn't optimal ;-)

[20:23:20]

Anynomous:

iamlindoro, http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb/rev/f1c60485ad5f

[20:23:54]

Anynomous:

iamlindoro, Instead of returning unsigned int __pure .. i was returning a simple integer..

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Aval0n:

where does juski keep his svn themes at

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iamlindoro:

Also note you are applying a patch for dvb... and it won't help with analog support :)

[20:24:06]

Anynomous:

(something like that). :)

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iamlindoro:

avalong, svn.mythtv.org

[20:24:36]

iamlindoro:

Under Themes instead of myththemes, I believe

[20:24:55]

Aval0n:

thanks

[20:26:10]

Aval0n:

no dice

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iamlindoro:

?? Sure they are, I'm looking right at them

[20:27:15]

iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/themes

[20:27:22]

Aval0n:

doh sorry

[20:28:20]

Aval0n:

so like svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/them . . . ubelite-wide

[20:28:21]

Aval0n:

?

[20:29:11]

iamlindoro:

No

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Aval0n:

wget?

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H00chster:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/themes

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iamlindoro:

^^^ yup

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Aval0n:

but that will grab off of them no?

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Aval0n:

all of*

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H00chster:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/themes/blootube-lite-wide

[20:30:46]

Aval0n:

that's what I said up there...

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iamlindoro:

course, I believe those are just the xml files, if you want the images you will probably have to go to his site

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H00chster:

no you had trac in there

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Aval0n:

oh

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H00chster:

trac/browser is wrong that is just for BROWSING the svn

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, the images are there

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H00chster:

ya everything is there

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kormoc:

Aval0n, you need the install scripts in the main /themes directory, hence the full checkout

[20:32:13]

Aval0n:

svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/trac/browser/trunk/themes/blootube-wide'

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kormoc:

Aval0n, you can pass in to the install scripts what themes to actually install, so you won't need to install them all, but grabbing them all is the easiest

[20:32:26]

H00chster:

well if he wanted to add more work he can manually copy them but ya much easier to just grab it all and do the install

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iamlindoro:

avalon, you are still putting trac in....

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Aval0n:

ok cool

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lietu:

am I correct to assume(based on the wiki) that a new sempron 64 3600+ would be way more than enough for all my mythtv needs with two decoder cards without any hw acceleration for anything?

[20:33:30]

iamlindoro:

That's a fair assessment, yes

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kormoc:

lietu, unless you mean HD h.264

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lietu:

well I'm planning on going full hdtv input->hdtv output support with as good compression as possible

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H00chster:

you will want more for h.264 on your frontend

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lietu:

if that's a problem with a sempron, would an athlon 64 x2 3800+ or so do?

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H00chster:

would def be better but I recommend a 4600+ or above x2

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kormoc:

lietu, currently only the very high end stuff can do it perfectly, mid-grade can do 720 h.264

[20:36:16]

lietu:

damn, it's impossible to find DVB-C cards that can have anything "cool" on them

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lietu:

well, from finland atleast

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lietu:

tho, considering that an athlon 64 x2 5000+ costs only 100eur vs the sempron's 50eur, it's not that much of a difference, IF that 5000+ can handle it? ;)

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Anynomous:

iamlindoro, the new code compiles without errors. I'll probably have to restart to unload the current drivers though ... lest "make reload" will do the trick.

[20:40:18]

iamlindoro:

anynomous... you noticed my last, right? These drivers are for Dvb, not analog

[20:40:29]

iamlindoro:

but all the same, do as you will

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Anynomous:

iamlindoro, oh .. no I didn't realise ..

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Anynomous:

iamlindoro, is there no code for analog in them?

[20:41:13]

iamlindoro:

I presume not

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iamlindoro:

But no harm in trying

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Anynomous:

OK :)

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iamlindoro:

If it's working properly, you will be able to set /dev/video as an MPEG-2 Encoer card

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iamlindoro:

in mythtv-setup

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Anynomous:

OK .. trying that out now!

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|Torg|:

kormoc I have been playing with RT threads and it seems to help 264 about 20%

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|Torg|:

so some of it is defeinaly kerneal based

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Anynomous:

iamlindoro, I am not .. I'll try rebooting the machine though .. sometimes it wont find the symbols correctly.

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kormoc:

|Torg|, fair 'nuff

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|Torg|:

take a look at http://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page there are some patches for 2.6.23

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|Torg|:

I wouldnt suggest it for anyone who is not intamtly familar with kernel tweking tho and it does conflict with dvb drivers (so not for the people who have both BE and FE)

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Philyboy:

Hello all

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Philyboy:

I have been using mythtv for over a year and still have not resolved an issue with HD

[20:54:34]

Philyboy:

xvmc performance is very questionable under mythtv while it works perfectly under xine or mplayer

[20:54:45]

Philyboy:

is this common for everyone

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|Torg|:

nope

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Philyboy:

wilth my celeri 2.0 Ghz I can't whatch HD live

[20:55:29]

Philyboy:

but if I record it than watch it with the frontend it is playable with some stuttering

[20:55:44]

Philyboy:

but with mplayer or xine the cpou is loaded at only 30 to 40%

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|Torg|:

well you already know the answer to that

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|Torg|:

do you have another system?

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Philyboy:

|Torg|: actually its being delivered

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|Torg|:

your celron is not fast enough, use it as a backend and get somethig with more power for the FE

[21:01:16]

|Torg|:

also make sure you are are not resizing the video

[21:01:30]

Philyboy:

|Torg| my Celery works fine with mplayer or xine, I wonder why mythfrontedn is bogging down the cpu

[21:01:31]

|Torg|:

if you display to an interlaced monitor, do not deinterlace

[21:01:45]

|Torg|:

beace myth does more then simply play video

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Philyboy:

|Torg|: How can I veryfy that I am not resizing the video my mpg fiel are 720p

[21:02:52]

|Torg|:

what are you displaying it on? what modeline are you useing? what did you tell myth to output as?

[21:03:09]

Philyboy:

|Torg|: LCD TV thru VGA

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Philyboy:

modeline is set at 1360x768 native resolution of screen

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|Torg|:

and the video you are playing is 1360x768, I doubt that seriously

[21:05:17]

|Torg|:

eitehr get a faste CPU dedicated to the FE to downsize your video or get a more expensiv TV

[21:05:18]

Philyboy:

|Torg|: nope the file is 720p

[21:05:51]

|Torg|:

I would get anohter box for a FE, and use that as my BE

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xand:

hmm, where can I find out what all the columns are in a radiotimes xmltv .dat file are?

[21:21:28]

xand:

nm, found it in tv_grab_uk_rt

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cyberpass:

does cableCARD work on linux yet?

[21:29:20]

Aval0n:

i thought mplayer supported dvd menus now

[21:29:34]

Aval0n:

but all the info I see on google suggests otherwise.

[21:30:13]

iamlindoro:

aval0n, mplayer svn will do dvd menus as far as I know

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iamlindoro:

cyberpass, no, and likely will never be

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cyberpass:

why not?

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: where did you hear that info from?

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cmoates:

Because CableLabs has no intention of allowing a non-secure path

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kdubya:

because they have no reason to

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cyberpass:

<cmoates> considering that its now available on windows...

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cmoates:

But only on certain hardware, that is certified

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iamlindoro:

aval0n, by following the mplayer dev lists

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cyberpass:

, what kind of security measures can they implement to

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cmoates:

by cable labs

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Aval0n:

iamlindoro: ahh I can't get em loaded

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cyberpass:

to block it from working on linux

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cmoates:

And it will fail to run, if you modify the configuration in certain ways

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cmoates:

What's to stop anyone from figuring out how to hack it onto a Linux box? Nothing, but it would also violate the DMCA

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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cyberpass:

hey

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cmoates:

cyberpass, I'd love cablecard support as much as the next guy, but the cable companies have gone signficantly out of their way to prevent such a thing

[21:34:47]

cmoates:

If you really want it any time soon, and legally, get a tivo3

[21:34:49]

kdubya:

cmoates, the thing is you cannot just buy a tuner

[21:34:56]

kdubya:

you have to buy them with a $1200 computer

[21:35:02]

cmoates:

yeah :/

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black_Nightmare_:

a little hardware question...any idea where to find if a modem chipset name is a hardware or winmodem one? ^_^

[21:35:26]

cmoates:

What's the chipset

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purserj:

okay dumb question number 3, what do you guys use to develop myth plugins? KDeveloper?

[21:35:27]

iamlindoro:

aval0n, tried it with option -dvdnav?

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cyberpass:

can mythtv handle hddvd and bluray rips?

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kdubya:

mythtv cant

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kdubya:

mplayer and vlc can

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iamlindoro:

with patches

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cyberpass:

can you choose which player you use?

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cyberpass:

i dislike vls

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kdubya:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

unless you're talking about playing a transcode you downloaded, which I won't help with

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cyberpass:

vlc*

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kdubya:

you can make it use mplayer

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cmoates:

black_Nightmare_, what chipset is your modem? Odds are high, unless it's old or expensive, that it's a winmodem

[21:37:00]

cyberpass:

has anyone tried playing bluray/hddvd files over a 100Mb network?

[21:37:01]

Aval0n:

iamlindoro: I'll try that

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iamlindoro:

mplayer/ffmpeg/vlc stock won't play HD-DVD or Blu-ray E-ac3 or TrueHD sound tracks which, more and more, are the only tracks on there. To get those playing you need to patch and realize that some things won't work right

[21:37:27]

cmoates:

cyberpass, I suspect 100Mbit throughput would be inadequate, but no, I haven't tried it

[21:37:30]

iamlindoro:

cyberpass, I rip my Blu Ray and HD DVD titles, play with patched mplayer over GigE

[21:37:36]

Aval0n:

iamlindoro: does mythtv's internal player play any hd-dvd content?

[21:37:43]

iamlindoro:

No

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Aval0n:

k

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iamlindoro:

well, unless you're talking about h.264, which it technically supports

[21:37:59]

black_Nightmare_:

'rockwell riptide' isa .. and its actually a curious ebay auction ... photo is no good for any view of the chip # anyhow

[21:38:03]

cyberpass:

<iamlindoro> in the future, will these be fixed? or is it a security mechanism more than a codec issue?

[21:38:09]

iamlindoro:

so if you found a blu-ray disc that had a native AC-3 audio track, and there are a few, it would work

[21:38:34]

iamlindoro:

cyberpass, all patches currently required are in line to be added to ffmpeg/mplayer trunk

[21:38:45]

iamlindoro:

so yes, they will ultimately be fixed.

[21:38:49]

cmoates:

black_Nightmare_, Rockwell Riptide is a winmodem.

[21:38:54]

cmoates:

(and audio card)

[21:39:02]

Aval0n:

iamlindoro: how big are your hd-dvd rips?

[21:39:09]

Aval0n:

on average

[21:39:13]

cyberpass:

40gigs

[21:39:16]

Aval0n:

youch

[21:39:17]

black_Nightmare_:

hm...thanks cmoates

[21:39:19]

kdubya:

heh

[21:39:20]

iamlindoro:

For example, a straight rip of "Discovery Atlas" Blu-ray will work fine in Myth internal player, since it's x.264 and AC-3 audio

[21:39:21]

cmoates:

black_Nightmare_, also, I don't know that they ever came out with v.90 drivers for it, only K56Flex

[21:39:24]

kdubya:

hd dvd cant even hold 40 gigs

[21:39:35]

cyberpass:

ok 35gigs

[21:39:36]

iamlindoro:

Naw, they go between about 20–30

[21:39:41]

iamlindoro:

For feature only

[21:39:46]

Aval0n:

interestign

[21:39:52]

iamlindoro:

Even BD-50s are no more than 30–33 for the movie

[21:39:56]

black_Nightmare_:

heh well I'll prefer a real sound card anyhow...so likewise I was just curious about the auction ;)

[21:39:59]

Aval0n:

you watch them in 720p?

[21:40:10]

iamlindoro:

Examples are Pirates of Caribb. Movies, Crank, etc

[21:40:13]

iamlindoro:

I watch them in 1080p

[21:40:17]

Aval0n:

nice

[21:40:41]

black_Nightmare_:

cmoates..you want see an auction I think is unusual but interesting? ;)

[21:40:42]

cyberpass:

<iamlindoro> any issues with playing them over 1Gb network?

[21:40:42]

iamlindoro:

Most HD rips are about 17 for the full feature

[21:40:49]

cmoates:

black_Nightmare_, sure

[21:41:05]

iamlindoro:

cyberpass, none... the bottleneck in most cases is CPU and not network... streams are generally only 20–30 Mbit

[21:41:23]

black_Nightmare_:

here cmoates: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 170164164226

[21:41:44]

cmoates:

35GB 2 hour movie works out to ~40Mbit

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iamlindoro:

cmoates, and as I said, the largest movie I have seen, even on a BD-50, is 30–33 for the full feature

[21:42:21]

iamlindoro:

and wasn't two hours

[21:42:34]

iamlindoro:

was 2.5

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black_Nightmare_:

not easy to find these hp combo cards at times (they come in various scsi types..I'm sure I remember seeing one that could handle U160+10/100/1000 but the person was asking a fistful big pricetag on it tho, go figure)

[21:42:38]

cmoates:

Ah

[21:42:48]

cmoates:

so 40Mbit would be high, which was what I was going for

[21:42:51]

iamlindoro:

And the highest bitrate I have seen was 31.something

[21:43:25]

cmoates:

black_Nightmare_, why would you want those cards?

[21:43:38]

cyberpass:

ok...im about to start building this...

[21:44:20]

cyberpass:

how many video cards should i use? which video card do u suggest for good 1080p outout?

[21:44:46]

cyberpass:

CPU?

[21:45:10]

black_Nightmare_:

cmoates...heh well..dunno but if I was to actually use one..I'll imagine I'll have the scsi scanner, internal cdrom, to share the iomega drive, and hmm who knows what else on it aside to the ethernet cable

[21:45:12]

cyberpass:

and most importantly, i have seen a lot of cases...but can someone recommend the cadilac of cases?

[21:45:16]

iamlindoro:

cyberpass, with x.264, your video card won't help you

[21:45:24]

iamlindoro:

not in linux, anyway

[21:45:30]

Dr_willis:

cyberpass, depends on your needs. and budget

[21:45:36]

cyberpass:

$2k

[21:45:47]

Dr_willis:

cyberpass, a 2000$ case?

[21:45:48]

Dr_willis:

:P

[21:45:54]

cyberpass:

no...$2k total

[21:46:01]

cmoates:

black_Nightmare_, you sound like you're stuck in 1998 ;) All that stuff is USB or SATA these days :)

[21:46:05]

cyberpass:

give or take a couple hundred

[21:46:06]

Dr_willis:

and wheres its going to sit...

[21:46:18]

cyberpass:

under my tv

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iamlindoro:

If you are looking to do 1080p, Processor, ram, and more processor. My Quad can keep up, I recommend it if you can afford it. As for case, I have a Zalman HD 160 I love.

[21:46:25]

Dr_willis:

for a Mythtv box – it pays to invest in 'quiet' hardware – if its going tobe right in the living room.

[21:47:00]

cyberpass:

<iamlindoro> quad?? damn, i though core 2 duo would be enough

[21:47:19]

black_Nightmare_:

cmoates...there's a scanjet sitting in quite some dust somewhere ever since I found out I wasn't quite liking it much partially to its noticeable rob of the cpu

[21:47:31]

cmoates:

gotcha

[21:47:36]

iamlindoro:

Heh, it seems like we talk about 1080p more and more often lately :) My secondary system is a Core 2 2.4 Ghz... can *barely* keep up with 1080p, but needs tweaking

[21:47:52]

|Torg|:

my P4 3Ghz can do it, most of the time

[21:47:52]

black_Nightmare_:

finding an old (kinda brick sized in comparasion heh but I didn't mind) microtek scsi one cured that well..plus also later on I found a nice film/negative attachment that hadn't ever been opened at all too

[21:47:58]

iamlindoro:

Quad handles it without issue. That's playing all via patched, up-to-the-minute mplayer

[21:48:02]

cmoates:

black_Nightmare_, make sure that, if you buy an HP network card, it's 100-BaseT, and not their proprietary 100Mbit protocol

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black_Nightmare_:

cmoates...heh the old days of so many different ways to network :P

[21:48:28]

Dr_willis:

Tbase10! :)

[21:48:31]

Dr_willis:

Terminate it!

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black_Nightmare_:

be glad I actually only grew up on either dialup (28.8K+voice then 56K) or cat5e ethernet alone ;)

[21:49:27]

cmoates:

Apparently I'm old :P

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black_Nightmare_:

cmoates...but anyway re hp cards...unless somehow a local person was putting one up for grab I'll stick to that old realtek pci one I still like for now ;)

[21:50:07]

cmoates:

black_Nightmare_, good idea

[21:50:14]

black_Nightmare_:

I did have one interesting idea tho...

[21:50:32]

cmoates:

I paid $699 for my first 1200 baud modem :/

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cyberpass:

<cmoates> you got gyped

[21:51:02]

black_Nightmare_:

I'm not even having any use of the parallel port at all so...why not one of these old xircom 10baseT<->parallel bridge adapter? ;) (as long as it can do 60KB/s steady I wouldn't care whatever its maximum turns out to be)

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black_Nightmare_:

that could free up a pci slot so hence thinking about that crazy idea

[21:51:17]

black_Nightmare_:

:p

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cmoates:

cyberpass, not in 1982 :P

[21:51:48]

cmoates:

black_Nightmare_, usb ethernet would be cheaper and faster :)

[21:52:30]

iamben:

what irc client autocompletes as <nick> instead of nick: ? i hate that =)

[21:53:00]

cyberpass:

ok...as for remote controls...has anyone had any experiance using the harmony 100s on mythtv?

[21:53:37]

mzb_d800:

black_Nightmare_: old realtek (rtl8029) are junk ... avoid at all costs ... if you want cheap+reliable go for 3c905B

[21:53:45]

black_Nightmare_:

cmoates...heh well here's the issue to that now...its only two lonely usb1.1 onboard and already one's reserved to the kodak CF reader (from old camera) and other is for old deskjet (till I can freaking find a nice jetdirect-ready version or the alike naturally)

[21:54:10]

cmoates:

black_Nightmare_, get a hub, it'd still be faster

[21:54:58]

black_Nightmare_:

mzb....heh say who? :p

[21:54:58]

cmoates:

black_Nightmare_, not to mention, finding drivers for the xircom parallel stuff is probably rough

[21:55:29]

mzb_d800:

black_Nightmare_: me ... from experience

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black_Nightmare_:

cmoates...umm I'll rather not prefer hubs (owned a belkin one once and eventually finally decomissioned it when I found out I was only needing one or two at a time and the ups was getting scare for power bricks)

[21:55:54]

cmoates:

cyberpass, harmony 100 or 1000?

[21:56:20]

mzb_d800:

iirc, I first became aware of rtl8029-related issues when I was trying to use a win98 machine to do routing (a stupid idea in itself)

[21:56:31]

black_Nightmare_:

mzb..meh the old pci card had been in the pc almost the entire time ever since it was included in the system order from store (aside to that I moved it from pci1 to pci2 myself eventually)

[21:56:48]

cyberpass:

harmony 1000

[21:56:49]

mzb_d800:

they have issues

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mzb_d800:

(rtl)

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cmoates:

cyberpass, it'd just be a matter of configuring LIRC to whatever you set the harmony up for

[21:57:36]

cmoates:

Personally, I went the opposite route, I have middleware I'm working on which does all the harmony-like functions on the myth box, and the myth sends out the various IR needed

[21:58:05]

cmoates:

Thus giving me more control and letting me use a less expensive hard remote

[21:58:16]

cmoates:

(I prefer buttons over touch screens)

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black_Nightmare_:

mzb...I guess to our own? the one here is just usually handling simple internet connection almost the entire time

[21:58:36]

cyberpass:

harmonys 1000's look pretty sweet

[21:58:42]

cyberpass:

havent really used them

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black_Nightmare_:

and cmoates...re finding drivers..thats not really an issue..I know several different sites for this kind of obstructive items

[21:59:02]

cmoates:

But you can't just hold it in your hand and blindly press the right buttons

[21:59:10]

cmoates:

Since there aren't any

[21:59:21]

cmoates:

That's not to say it's not a super cool remote, it is :)

[21:59:26]

cmoates:

Just not something I'd prefer

[21:59:58]

cmoates:

UEI makes a nice touch screen remote, as does... smarthome I think it is

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black_Nightmare_:

re serial ports...that is something else tho.. one's going to be permamently occupied by the serial data cable to the ups and other one hmm I'm still thinking about how much I might want to use it yet but there's that lego rcx1.0 IR transmitter tower too

[22:00:16]

mzb_d800:

I don't doubt that your experience with a _single_ card could be favourable ... but I can assure you that the rt8029 have some fundamental issues ... they're also more likely to blow up ... I have probably got at least a dozen of them in my network junkbox ... but not a _single_ 3c905B (I use them whenever possible now)

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cmoates:

The 8029 was, in many ways, a winmodem of a network card

[22:01:12]

cmoates:

And yes, they have some issues with sloppy design

[22:01:16]

black_Nightmare_:

mzb...heh I wish I could keep telling people the evilness of winmodems and to keep buying only hardware chipsets but *sigh*

[22:01:21]

cmoates:

But RTL's 81xx series is significantly better

[22:01:43]

black_Nightmare_:

at least used external serial modems are an easy upgrade to find for most of us

[22:01:45]

cmoates:

Thee 8169 for example, is a pretty solid card, but only supports 7200MTU jumbo frames

[22:02:37]

cmoates:

That said, 3c905 cards are solidly engineered, you can't go wrong with them

[22:02:46]

mzb_d800:

8169 too "new" to exist in my junk ;)

[22:02:58]

mzb_d800:

3c905B are also dirt cheap

[22:03:02]

black_Nightmare_:

just a curious question but...

[22:03:27]

black_Nightmare_:

were 3c905B also in 98se's cabs?

[22:04:13]

black_Nightmare_:

(I may sound odd but sometimes I prefer when simple cards are able to just install themself even if a bit 'basic' heh ^_^)

[22:04:28]

black_Nightmare_:

if no idea..no problem

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cmoates:

3c905 is likely to be in win98, but

[22:05:05]

cmoates:

why on earth are you still running 98? :)

[22:05:19]

mzb_d800:

I wasn't wealthy enough way back then to tell :) ... but to give you an idea, early in the days of ipcop, the first card on the list was the 3c509B (and no it wasn't in alphabetical order;)

[22:06:08]

kormoc:

why on earth ask about windows in a linux multimedia channel?

[22:06:41]

mzb_d800:

simply because the lead developer used them ... iirc he explained the reasons why in docs|conversation somewhere

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kormoc:

Issac used 3com cards?

[22:07:43]

** kormoc blinks **

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mzb_d800:

if he was the guy that was writing those notes way-back-when ... then yes

[22:08:58]

** kormoc blinks **

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black_Nightmare_:

sorry was trying to get *** printer dialog to start again as usual

[22:09:33]

kormoc:

Issac has been the only lead dev for mythtv... I'm still not sure how this all relates...

[22:09:55]

mzb_d800:

kormoc: ipcop

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black_Nightmare_:

but anyway cmoates..its for because I still have several games (and well a few smaller softwares) I still quite like to run and there's nothing better than windows booted on direct hardware to do it ;)

[22:10:35]

kormoc:

mzb_d800, so just super off topic, I see

[22:10:41]

mzb_d800:

:) yep

[22:10:48]

mzb_d800:

not enough caffeine

[22:10:54]

mzb_d800:

just got out of bed

[22:11:11]

mzb_d800:

decided to have a go at a realtek lover ;P

[22:11:49]

mzb_d800:

I guess I should probably work on improving my caffeine levels (before I talk to the general public;)

[22:12:22]

mzb_d800:

and get on with moving my bt878 into the server (is that more on topic? ;)

[22:12:42]

kormoc:

Ooh, I don't really care, I was just confused

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black_Nightmare_:

like this right? http://cgi.ebay.com/3Com-EtherLink3-10BaseT-A . . . cmdZViewItem

[22:13:16]

mzb_d800:

no

[22:13:20]

mzb_d800:

not an etherlink3

[22:13:34]

mzb_d800:

PCI card, 3c905B

[22:13:45]

mzb_d800:

(etherlink3 is 3c509 iirc)

[22:14:42]

black_Nightmare_:

hm all auctions keep refering to 'etherlink3 3c509B'

[22:14:54]

mzb_d800:

509 vs 905

[22:15:23]

mzb_d800:

ISA vs PCI

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black_Nightmare_:

ughh which one is it? me a bit confused by all the irc lines now

[22:16:03]

black_Nightmare_:

>_-

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mzb_d800:

3c905B

[22:16:35]

mzb_d800:

is the PCI version

[22:16:58]

black_Nightmare_:

hm like this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/Ethernet-Card-PCI-10-100- . . . cmdZViewItem

[22:17:04]

mzb_d800:

I can't recall which of the codename's it uses ... something like Vortex, Typhoon or similar

[22:17:21]

mzb_d800:

looks right

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black_Nightmare_:

hm ok

[22:17:47]

mzb_d800:

(distinctive card)

[22:17:49]

black_Nightmare_:

wonder what the third led on rear is for

[22:18:06]

mzb_d800:

there are sub-models ... like B/TX ... etc

[22:18:16]

mzb_d800:

some had WOL headers, etc

[22:18:28]

mzb_d800:

(like that one)

[22:18:59]

mzb_d800:

but I've only come across a couple of the WOL leads in all the time of collecting them ;)

[22:19:03]

black_Nightmare_:

http://i15.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/8e/cc/a782_1.JPG sweet...boot rom included :p

[22:19:08]

black_Nightmare_:

heh

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mzb_d800:

might come in handy ;)

[22:20:09]

black_Nightmare_:

mzb..I always wondered how WOM's really worked (my board naturally has WOL+WOM pins next to each other nearby north of agp slot

[22:20:52]

mzb_d800:

came in with the magic of ATX psu's ;)

[22:21:01]

black_Nightmare_:

thats not quite what I mean heh

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

you mean in practice not theory?

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black_Nightmare_:

WOL I could understand...a specific packet being sent to the specific card and that woke there pc up .. but WOM I never could figure that one out

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mzb_d800:

WOM = modem ring?

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black_Nightmare_:

did every WOM pc need to have their own decidated phone line?

[22:22:58]

mzb_d800:

only works for external modems afaik ... not sure how a WOM header works

[22:23:16]

mzb_d800:

no ... they have ring detect circuits

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black_Nightmare_:

ah hm ok

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cyberpass is now known as cyberpass2

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mzb_d800:

and pull RI (Ring Indicator) high

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cyberpass2 is now known as cyberpass3

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mzb_d800:

(or pulse it ... can't remember)

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black_Nightmare_:

and re WOM..yeah of the several hardware modem cards I've came across I never noticed any with any 3-pin headers on them

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black_Nightmare_:

some retail one on shelf somewhere probably has but I can't be bothered :p

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mzb_d800:

beeps everywhere as I shut down the server .... sigh ... a stressfull event ;) (doesn't happen often, thank goodness)

[22:26:32]

mzb_d800:

bbs

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black_Nightmare_:

hehe

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Andycasss:

Does anyone know how to get IPTV working under svn myth? I gave it the right m3u, but nothing happens from there...

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gilesww:

heya all

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Andycasss:

Meh, and when i add a udp:// channel it asks for a frequency... :/

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gilesww:

i'm trying to understand how a mythtv frontend displays live digital tv that it is being fed into a backend?

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black_Nightmare_:

cmoates you still there?

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gilesww:

does it create a mpeg2 stream?

[22:34:54]

GreyFoxx:

gilesww: the backend has the tuner, reads the signal, feeds it over the network to the frontend which just plays it and displays

[22:35:04]

GreyFoxx:

digital comes in already encoded as either mpeg2 or h264

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gilesww:

heya GreyFoxx

[22:35:30]

gilesww:

but what kind of stream is it?

[22:35:39]

gilesww:

basically I want to use my xbox as a front end

[22:35:40]

GreyFoxx:

depends on the source

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gilesww:

because it does great analog tv output

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gilesww:

because of the ramdac

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black_Nightmare_:

hm well mzb...just curious but what did you think of these old 4-/6-disc changer drives for computer? ;)

[22:36:13]

GreyFoxx:

if it's a pvr card or a real digital source (dvb whatever) then it will be mpeg2 or h264

[22:36:13]

gilesww:

but the mythtv guides i read are all about setting up samba shares

[22:36:43]

gilesww:

so the backend records to a file which is fair enough but how does watching live tv work?

[22:36:43]

GreyFoxx:

myth has it's own protocol for streaming the data

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GreyFoxx:

tuner > backend > network > frontend >tv

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gilesww:

i wonder if the mythtv frontend built into xbmc can do that

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GreyFoxx:

even livetv is recorded

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GreyFoxx:

Never used that, can't really say how well it works

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gilesww:

k

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Andycasss:

GreyFoxx, do you know how the iptv works in svn myth?

[22:38:25]

gilesww:

i wasn't going to bother with it all but this lowend nas i made is really starting to annoy me

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gilesww:

via 600mhz chip

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GreyFoxx:

Andycasss: bery more specific

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GreyFoxx:

s/bery/be

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gilesww:

so i think i'll build a mythtv box that can be a nas and download and record tv

[22:39:46]

gilesww:

antec fusion case looks the business too, I think I can build the whole lot for Â£250

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Andycasss:

Ive given it the m3u playlist location, linked my freebox capture card to input source, but nothing when trying to watch live tv

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gilesww:

which aint bad

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brockp:

if i was going to do some work on X10 into myth has anyone else done some already?

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Aval0n:

torg you around?

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godzirra:

Heya folks. anyone know if this card will work for mythtv? http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 134697745634

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brockp:

or has anyone done work with misterhouse with myth?

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mzb:

black_Nightmare_: SCSI CD stackers? ... no idea ... haven't ever had one drop into my lap

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black_Nightmare_:

heh thanks anyhow

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black_Nightmare_:

was kinda thinking about the idea so the frequent discs could just be left in the drive till not used anymore or someone wanted to borrow it :-P

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black_Nightmare_:

seem easier than trying to have multiply drives...well...you know *rolls eyes*

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black_Nightmare_:

its kinda odd that for some reason I'm not quite sure of, single scsi dvdroms seem to almost always be only slot loaded ones

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black_Nightmare_:

contrast to ide&scsi cdrom's of similar years

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black_Nightmare_:

mzb..just asking heh but..how about...caddies? :P

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mzb:

a bit painful ... caddies are expensive ;)

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black_Nightmare_:

heh well you know...

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cmoates:

black_Nightmare_, you were looking for me?

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mzb:

but I've got a couple of external caddy drives (slow as hell;) which make good audio CD players ;) (if|when stuck for one)

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mzb:

I think I've got a 4x and a 6x

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black_Nightmare_:

some time ago I spotted both a nec multispin 6xe and yamaha cdr400t altogether for $5 each (and the nec one had a bag taped to top of it) .. turned out the nec drive had not ever been used at all as inside the bag were fresh manuals, warrenty paper, and even one damned unopened caddy bag ... heh I've still got both here but the nec drive has its shell removed for a while now, I'm not sure whats causing the caddy dis

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black_Nightmare_:

anything like cd installers that run on their own works fine but as soon as I try manually drag files (cd or cdr/cdrw whatever) it seem to almost always error out quickly

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black_Nightmare_:

never having any clue yet why but anyhow the yamaha drive works fairly well

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black_Nightmare_:

cmoates....heh meh....join this discussion? :P

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cmoates:

That stuff is all ancient history

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cmoates:

It'd cost you as much for 3 caddies as an IDE DVD-+RW

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cmoates:

:)

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black_Nightmare_:

well I think a single caddy is enough anyway ;)

[22:55:58]

cmoates:

I'd have sent you about 30 caddies 6 months ago, for the cost of postage

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cmoates:

But they hit the landfill

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cmoates:

Like a bunch of other stuff from that era I couldn't give away :(

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black_Nightmare_:

but on a bit more serious note I was glad I found that yamaha drive before...finally being able to make smaller picture cdr's with the old performa system

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cmoates:

You have an affinity for pain, eh? :)

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black_Nightmare_:

cmoates...before the yamaha drive the only possible external file storage was either on the iomega drive or none at all so..there :p

[22:57:32]

cmoates:

Or you could just use your far more modern win98 box

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cmoates:

And it's a non-issue?

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cmoates:

I dunno, I don't want to sound mean or anything, but you sound like you stepped out of a time machine :)

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Aval0n:

anyone runnin svn in here and have visualizations for music?

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Aval0n:

mine just says random but gives nothing.

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mzb:

for me, spare caddy would be au$20 to buy (or there abouts) ... whereas black Samsung(?) 18X DVD writer for au$28 ... hmmm tough choice ;)

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black_Nightmare_:

well on a note the old camera only has mac serial and I have no idea if we ever ordered pc adapter at all (and I think there's no point in trying now...wouldn't even know where to start looking neither) so naturally thats one of the several tasks the old mac still gets pressed into doing from time to time

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mzb:

damn ... forgot to hide the sound card

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clever[rev]:

Aval0n: redo the ./configure for the plugins and look over it carefully

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black_Nightmare_:

(the camera is both internal memory and CF altogether.. CF can be reused on the pc but the internal memory is only accessible via mac serial cable alone)

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clever[rev]:

Aval0n: it will tell you which visualizations are on(and why some are off)

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BenB:

black_Nightmare_: what are you trying to do? a DVD jukebox?

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black_Nightmare_:

nah heh...don't even have much dvd movies at all ^_^

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BenB:

black_Nightmare_: if so, that's not worth it. it's cheaper to buy a 500 GB harddrive for 100 eur which can hold 50–100 DVDs in *much* less space and cost and difficultiy to set up.

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black_Nightmare_:

its mainly for the game and mixed audio&video cds here

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freak4u_ is now known as freak4u

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black_Nightmare_:

(many settop players can't even understand these audio&video cds much at all for some odd reason)

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BenB:

for games, I'm using VirtualCD (or trying to)

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BenB:

audio and video you can rip, see above

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mzb:

bsdfox: bt878 hides ok on xen server, and domU sees the card (and audio controller) ok ... not tested yet ... just hiding audio controller and rebooting (yes, I know I can do it live ... but I like a clean boot for sanity)

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black_Nightmare_:

benb...heh well meh some of the (but not entire disc collection) issue is with non-udf discs that somehow still function just as well as udf ones on the computers alone

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black_Nightmare_:

but anyway need to afk for supper -_-

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devsforev:

Good afternoon everyone. I have been grabbing my channel info from SchedulesDirect like most people. Everythings worked out fine, however there are a couple channels which do not match up with my local programming line up. Is there any way to "fix" these channels so i get the correct data for those select channels?

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webbrewer:

I believe there is a way to report problem channels when you log in to schedules direct member page

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Aval0n:

clever

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Aval0n:

I see that libvisual suopprt will not be included

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Aval0n:

=(

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clever[rev]:

Aval0n: it should also mention some system package thats mising

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Aval0n:

it didnt

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Aval0n:

http://pastebin.org/8457

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clever[rev]:

neiter is mine

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Aval0n:

hmm

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clever[rev]:

--help time:)

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clever[rev]:

./configure --help shows a --enable-libvisual

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Aval0n:

:)

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Aval0n:

what is festival

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Aval0n:

and AAC?

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clever[rev]:

festival is for text to speech conversion(making the computer talk)

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Aval0n:

bah

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Aval0n:

that's kinda cool I guess..

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clever[rev]:

aac is probly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding

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Aval0n:

even with --enable-libvisual it still says won't be included

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clever[rev]:

same here

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kormoc:

Aval0n, there's this new cool webpage called Google that helps you answer questions like that

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Aval0n:

kormoc: really? I'll have to check it out some time?

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clever[rev]:

and here ive been using altavista all this time:P

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Aval0n:

can I get to it by google.com or do I have to www.google.com

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clever[rev]:

(used to use that years ago)

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Aval0n:

or do I have to do the http:\/

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clever[rev]:

the http:// can be left out of ANY url

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Aval0n:

no no th http:\/

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clever[rev]:

www.google.com www.google.ca google.com and google.ca all work

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Aval0n:

:)

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clever[rev]:

and http:\/ isnt valid:P

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Aval0n:

haha

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Aval0n:

/sarcasm

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dr_lulz:

urgs

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Aval0n:

so what the heck is up here with libvisual

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Aval0n:

possible trunk just doesn't do it?

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dr_lulz:

i recentyl got a letter from the tax office, they suggested some websites. all urls started with http:\\

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clever[rev]:

if it didnt do it it wouldnt even mention it

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Aval0n:

dr_lulz: lol

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clever[rev]:

apt-cache search libtiff|grep dev

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clever[rev]:

libtiff4-dev – Tag Image File Format library (TIFF), development files

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black_Nightmare_:

back

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kormoc:

Aval0n, so edit the configure scripts and see why it's checking for

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Aval0n:

I had the libtag1-dev package installed

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** clever[rev] installs libtiff since i also need mythgallery **

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Aval0n:

libvisual-0.4

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Aval0n:

if has_library libvisual-0.4 ; then

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Aval0n:

if has_header libvisual-0.4/libvisual/libvisual.h ; then

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clever[rev]:

apt-file search libvisual-0.4/libvisual/libvisual.h (takes time and isnt installed by default)

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clever[rev]:

when done i'll see what packages give that file

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kormoc:

or just install libvisual-dev or -devel

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black_Nightmare_:

anyone have any comment on dvdram/dvd-/dvd+ choices in term of recording?

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clever[rev]:

that only works if the package names make sense:P

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clever[rev]:

libvisual-0.4-dev: usr/include/libvisual-0.4/libvisual/libvisual.h

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Aval0n:

nice

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Aval0n:

thnx

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xand:

hmm

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Aval0n:

hm

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Aval0n:

I installed the plugins but no dice

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Aval0n:

still not showin them

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clever[rev]:

restart the frontend:P

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Aval0n:

i did :)

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Aval0n:

haha

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Aval0n:

i'm not _THAT_ retarded

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Aval0n:

just mildly

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Aval0n:

maybe I didn't qmake the .pro

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Aval0n:

let me go and try that

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clever[rev]:

make runs qmake to make the other makefile's

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Aval0n:

hmm

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kormoc:

verify the install path is correct

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black_Nightmare_:

hm *kicks* stupid th99 site not working yet once again >_<

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Aval0n:

erm

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clever[rev]:

i put --prefix=/media/mainlv/root/7.10/ on all my configure lines(sharing the bin dir between 3 systems) but it works fine:)

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Aval0n:

i did --prefix=/usr

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clever[rev]:

make shure you had the same prefix on the main part of mythtv AND the plugins

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Aval0n:

I did

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** clever[rev] trys upgrading to latest svn to see if it breaks everything again **

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black_Nightmare_:

cmoates you still there as usual? heh

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Aval0n:

screen goes black but nothing else...

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Aval0n:

damn'

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clever[rev]:

:S

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clever[rev]:

a few of my Makefile's where edited 5 seconds in the future

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Dr_willis:

Now thats a fast machine!

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black_Nightmare_:

hehe

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Dr_willis:

it can break the laws of time and space.

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clever[rev]:

ntp shutdown:P

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clever[rev]:

so the clock between the nfs client&server drifted out of sync

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clever[rev]:

make[2]: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete.

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clever[rev]:

a second pass of make will solve it(Makefiles wont be updated then and wont redo the problem)

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black_Nightmare_:

hm...seem my current favorite two people have gone asleep now

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black_Nightmare_:

^-^

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black_Nightmare_:

so...dead in here

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black_Nightmare_:

:P

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clever[rev]:

im alive:P

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Aval0n:

clever[rev]: is it possible that libvisual-0.4-dev needed to be installed prior to mythtv configure

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Aval0n:

?

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clever[rev]:

Aval0n: just before mythplugin configure i think

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black_Nightmare_:

clever :P

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** clever[rev] rebuilds the plugins on the box with it installed ot see **

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Aval0n:

when I hit 4 to visualize I get pure black screen with blue box that says visualized:random

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Aval0n:

and 6 to switch does nothing

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black_Nightmare_:

zzzzz

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Aval0n:

clever any luck?

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clever[rev]:

rebuilding still...

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Aval0n:

cool

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clever[rev]:

fe starting...

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